lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-05c


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date:         wed, 14 may 1997 21:23:49 -0700
reply-to:     morgan@northcoast.com
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ok, sorry if another post on this is annoying, but i was indecisive as
to whether melissa and amy looked *really* alike until i saw this: look
at the picture inside the cover of sots (as in the only one with amy's
face) and look at the last page of the insert to brave and crazy. sorry
if this has already been seen by most of you, but looking at the two
together really amazed me!
        (o:,
        morgan

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"why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time and space/i must
say around the corner i can sense a resting place"
                --emily saliers
"they say we're stealing from the best to feed the poor/well they need
more"
                --amy ray

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date:         wed, 14 may 1997 23:36:44 -0500
reply-to:     lawyerman <eml@sky.net>
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> as was rumored, lilith fair will be making two stops in missouri
according
> to the updated lf site. the dates are july 14th at sandstone amp in
bonner
> springs and july 15th at riverport amp in st louis. tix on sale for both
> this saturday. no line-ups announced just yet.

actually, it's one show in missouri (maryland heights, mo - st. louis
area) and one show in kansas (bonner springs, ks - kansas city area). the
lineups for the two shows are as follows:

sarah mclachlan
mary chapin carpenter
fiona apple
paula cole
tracy bonham
wild colonials
(others tba)

neither of the venues uses ticketmaster to distribute tickets.

eddie

lawyerman's world wide web page | calendar of kansas city area music
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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 02:26:46 -0400
reply-to:     "jay s. wiley" <wiley@husc.harvard.edu>
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from:         "jay s. wiley" <wiley@husc.harvard.edu>
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it is with great regret that i must leave this page soon... i'm done with
exams in less than 40 hours and i will be heading home shortly after.  i
may resubscribe later this summer though.

in the meantime... have fun listening to sots (esp. dgtgag, caramia, and
batl).  it certainly is a wonderful album.

check out my webpage... it is slowly evolving... but i finally put up some
pictures and other misc stuff...  and fill out the survey about cats v.
dogs under the link "buddy!".  i'm interested to get people's opinions.
so, please, check it out... i've spent a lot of time on it lately, when i
should have been studying.

thanks, best of luck, and take care.

j

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keep it in your heart like a stone
and when the winds have blown
things round and back again
what was once your pain will be your home.
                -indigo girls
                "everthing in its own time"

jay s. wiley '00
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  updated 5-14-97 with pictures, fun surveys, etc.
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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 11:05:01 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: dgtgg & fodder for the song
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on wed, 14 may 1997 deng@vnet.ibm.com wrote:

> i just made the trivial observation that in 'fodder for the song' by ejs,
> there is a line that goes:
>
>   ...love as a form of commerce, comments point like a gun. an itchy trigger
>   finger and this too is gone, this is gone, this is gone...
>
> so looking at this line and then thinking about dgtgg...well, i don't know
> if there is actually a connection between the two or not, but to me they seem
> to make something of a 'pair'.

the 'itchy trigger' line comes up in shed your skin too ...

mat

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 05:22:42 -0700
reply-to:     carolyn <underdog@primenet.com>
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subject:      shaming of the sun lyrics
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hi

the lyrics from the new record have now been added to the lifeblood site,
as has some more unreleased and cover tunes such as problem child and
bartenders blues.

i am working on an alphabetic list of all the lyrics but it is not finished
quite yet.  also, very soon,  we will be adding a number of the recent
reviews and interviews.

the address for the page is:
www.hidwater.com/lifeblood

and while you're there, our host page www.hidwater.com has a lot of info on
michelle malone, wendy bucklew, and a number of other great artists.

have a super day

carolyn

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 08:33:17 -0400
reply-to:     lisa tatonetti <tatonetti.2@osu.edu>
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subject:      shed your skin
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wed, 14 may 1997 16:36:07 -0400 amy said:

>ok - who knows what this song is about???
>i know we've already come to conclusions about 115 and 17...(interesting
>conclusions...) but does anybody have this song figured out??

i think it's a song to an ex-lover.  in my read a's equating the lover w/a
snake (i know the snake part's a given), hence the title and "i'm speakin in
tongues handling you" (snake handling).  which might mean that "i got
religion now look at it," is a sarcastic comment saying the ex--handling
her, thinking of her--is a's "religion"/obsession. the "c'mon over now"
refrain could be the tendency to get together again w/an ex even when you
know it's poison to you.  that person seeming to be the one you want to
"console" you, the only thing "holy".  yikes, this is my life, not an
interpretation. :-)  i could go on, but i'll stop, as i've already made
myself late this morning posting when i said i couldn't/wouldn't.  it's a
beautiful day here in columbus, oh. those are mighty rare in this neck of
the woods, so i'm smilin' and hummin "it's alright." have a rockin day.
lisa
"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 07:48:22 -0500
reply-to:     justin shumaker <shuey@tcac.com>
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from:         justin shumaker <shuey@tcac.com>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 14 may 1997
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>hey all!
>
>just wanted to let you all know there is a tiny snippet of a+e talking
>about guitar size on headline news, in reference to a new martin design
>for women ($2500 a pop!). suzzy roche also is interviewed for the piece,
>and lisa loeb is featured.

does size matter?

:)

justin

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 09:24:28 -0400
reply-to:     atlmouse@aol.com
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subject:      6 tix for auburn up for grabs!!!!!

hey all!
i have 6 tix to the sunday, may 18 show at auburn university!
i am in atlanta... but if i know today, i could probably express mail them to
you by sunday!
make me an offer!  these are seats that were purchased by the list, i
understand they are good seats!
help!
~~robin
atlmouse@aol.com

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 08:40:28 -0500
reply-to:     jen hall <jchall@earthlink.net>
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hey y'all.  remember, tickets go on sale this saturday for the three
concerts that are coming up for texas:  the woodlands (houston) & the
backyard (austin).

for the houston concert, i was thinking that maybe we can have a get
together at a restaurant or something.  please e-mail me privately if you'd
like to be in on this gathering.

peace,
- jen hall

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 07:39:21 -0700
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from:         david perham <dperham@bbn.com>
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as far as "good" seats being available for this show, this is the kind
of thing that i'm afraid of.  the girls have been booked at the worst
possible venue in san diego (well, the sports aroma is a very close
second), and the promoter has attatched a 40% surcharge on the tickets,
making them way too expensive when considering that anyone out further
than the first twenty rows or so will essentially be listening to the
radio.  apparently i'm not alone in this opinion, since the tix haven't
sold out in all this time.  so, the girls will play san diego, and they
will note (or be told) that it didn't sell out (assuming that it
doesn't), and so they will hesitate to play here again next time, since
they can sell out two or even three nights in a row in la.
i've seen this happen before, and it scares and saddens me.
i've been to every ig show in san diego since '89, but won't be at
this one.  i don't mind paying $35 for tix (well, i do, but for ig
i would be willing); however when $10 of that is for a bozo promoter
and ticketbastard i just say no.
but, susanna hoffs is playing at the casbah monday, which should be a
show worth seeing; i'll be there.
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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 10:42:07 edt
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subject:      angry: godless heathen!!!!!
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-<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<this is what he said to me-------------
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>sex roles should be cut up and throw out the window because
>they are limiting. <<<<<<<<<i said this>>>>>>>>>>>>>
               <<<<<<<<<<<this is him<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
you ignorant secular humanist!!!! don't you know that the man is the
head of the family and the woman is his subordinate!!!! that's the way
god commands it!!!

i'm tellin' ya, this country has taken the road straight to hell ever
since they let the women vote!

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                   <<<<<<<<this is my response to him<<<<<<<<
i'd like to see a man try to give birth. they could not take one iota of
the kind of pain that women go through all of there lives and here you
are telling me that a woman is supposed to be subordinate???? she is
supposed to summit to her man's every need and desire? you know waht i
have to say about that. a woman is not meant to be subordinate. it would
seem to me that the thing that distresses you the most about lesbian
realationships is not because there is two women, but because there is
no man. the fact that they do not need men to be subordinate to. women
are the strong ones. they are intelligent and powerful and do not need
to be limited to washing men's underwear and socks. there is more to
women then being locked up in the home. that's not a marriage that is
slavery. a man should also pull the weight and help raise the kids
instead of belching in front of the tv. a complete person can raise
their voice and raise the kids.

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 10:44:05 +0100
reply-to:     "marcy r. boroff" <mboroff@sdp2.philsch.k12.pa.us>
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ig will be on world cafe on wxpn 88.5 (in phila) and other stations on
friday, may 16, from 3:00 to 4:00. i think it is a new show.
marcy

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 16:02:30 +0100
reply-to:     indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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the new frame-compatible version of indigo index, which was meant to be up
after the easter vacation, is now up, and anyone who wants to look at it
can see it at:  http://www.aber.ac.uk/~mts5/indigo/new/

it is not completely finished, in particular, the links within the text
don't work yet at all, but all the other links work.   i've done my best
to make sure that the new page works properly and that nobody is shut out
(eg. people who can't use frames).   the new page has the big advantage
that all the files involved are small - the old index took up well over
60k, whereas the biggest of the new files is just over 5k.   i would like
to ask you to check it out and give me feedback on what you think of the
new arrangement and how it could be improved.

the old page is still available at the moment, but the new page will take
over entirely in a couple of weeks when i go home for summer.

mat

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 11:58:11 -0400
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subject:      sigc: lillithfair toronto date??

anyone hear anything more about a lillithfair toronto or montreal date?  the
ig are supposed to be on the leg of the tour that was tent. scheduled for
these dates.  the site has nada info.

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 09:08:34 -0700
reply-to:     seona <sb2@axe.humboldt.edu>
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from:         seona <sb2@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: caramia: who are you?
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yes, i was thinking that...and you can image amy as the other end of many
other songs too...let me think, well, i'm at work now, so i can't
think...brain dead.
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu


on wed, 14 may 1997, joan m. cyr wrote:

> :o)
>
> ...just 'cuz i love reading all of the discussions on this subject, what do
> y'all think about this one:  cara mia is amy............
>
> just think about it...
>
> later y'all....
> joni :o)
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              you a name
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on thu, 15 may 1997, isis wrote:

> --------------------------- original message ---------------------------
> hypernews notification.  reply via:
>   http://www.cwfa.org/hypernews/get/forum/agenda/74/1/2.html
>                    <<<<<<<<this is my response to him<<<<<<<<
> i'd like to see a man try to give birth. they could not take one iota of
> the kind of pain that women go through all of there lives and here you
> are telling me that a woman is supposed to be subordinate???? she is
> supposed to summit to her man's every need and desire? you know waht i
> have to say about that. a woman is not meant to be subordinate. it would
> seem to me that the thing that distresses you the most about lesbian
> realationships is not because there is two women, but because there is
> no man. the fact that they do not need men to be subordinate to. women
<chop>

fred phelps hates lesbians for the same reason he hates gay men, ie.
because they are homosexual.   and because he is a nutter.   someone
should write to the westboro lunatic asylum and tell them to stop giving
their inmates internet access!

the so-called "westboro baptist church" which phelps runs actually has a
home page, which is allegedly hosted by sanford "spamford" wallace, whose
company cyberpromo is responsible for most of the junk mail we get.   the
url is:  http://www.godhatesfags.com/
it's possible that this page is a spoof, but judging by what i have read
of mr phelps, it may well be his real page.

incidentally what is phelps doing running a church when he is a lawyer?

mat

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 12:33:02 -0400
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from:         heather solimini <sweetjane@geocities.com>
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hey there ppls,

the time has come.  now, for the revelation....

<snippet transcribed from penn state interview>

h: moi, heather
a: amy
e: emily
                                ******<<<<>>>>******

<when asked about any "stream of consciousness"-esque songs on sots...>

a: well, shed your skin is kind of like that, in a way, umm, but on this
record even though some of my lyrics might sound a little abstract,
they're incredibly literal.  so, it's like, they may sound like the
abstract image but they're not, they're exactly what they are.  so, it's
not, i mean, but i write like that, i mean i write stream of
consciousness, ya know, pretty much in general, but i made a point to
write very literally this time, to be very clear about what i was
saying, just for myself.  it was just something i wanted to do.
so...like there's a line in shed your skin that says, it says "115 you
are 17", ya know, and it's, i'm talking about the number of poisonous
snakes there are in the united states. <laughing>  i'm not, ya know,
it's like, i'm really being literal.  i was reading out of an audubon
book or something--

e: it sounds obscure.

a: but it sounds like i'm talking about a 17 year old kid or something,
ya know, that kind of thing.  but, ya know, the song's about shedding
your skin and it's a snake image and i meant it very literally, so for
me, and i think emily's pretty literal on this record too, aren't ya?

e: yeah.  caramia's a little washy in places...

a: but when you say you had a dream,

a:      you mean, you had a dream.
e:<together> i had a dream.  <laughing>

a: it's like --

e: that's true.

a: -- which i love.

e: that's true.

<this wonderful interview goes on to address the *attitude* behind it's
alright...>

                                ******<<<<>>>>******

happy?  ;)

their comments on caramia:  i think this only reinforces the opinion
that caramia is actually about emily herself...

those of you who are awaiting a boot of this interview and the psu
concert:  patience.  i apologize for taking so long, but i just got home
from college, and i am organizing it as we speak.  details to follow
within the next hour... (by private email)

lurve,
feather

++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++
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hxs171@psu.edu
lotsa stuff at http://www.personal.psu.edu/hxs171
irc: bluegirl
"i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun, i'm gonna
love you good and strong while our love is good and young..."
                        --emily saliers
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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 12:38:59 edt
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subject:      re: shed your skin

what was the conclusion about the 115/17 debate??

on thu, 15 may 1997 08:33:17 -0400 lisa tatonetti <tatonetti.2@osu.edu>
writes:
>wed, 14 may 1997 16:36:07 -0400 amy said:
>
>>ok - who knows what this song is about???
>>i know we've already come to conclusions about 115 and
>17...(interesting
>>conclusions...) but does anybody have this song figured out??
>
>i think it's a song to an ex-lover.  in my read a's equating the lover
>w/a
>snake (i know the snake part's a given), hence the title and "i'm
>speakin in
>tongues handling you" (snake handling).  which might mean that "i got
>religion now look at it," is a sarcastic comment saying the
>ex--handling
>her, thinking of her--is a's "religion"/obsession. the "c'mon over
>now"
>refrain could be the tendency to get together again w/an ex even when
>you
>know it's poison to you.  that person seeming to be the one you want
>to
>"console" you, the only thing "holy".  yikes, this is my life, not an
>interpretation. :-)  i could go on, but i'll stop, as i've already
>made
>myself late this morning posting when i said i couldn't/wouldn't.
>it's a
>beautiful day here in columbus, oh. those are mighty rare in this neck
>of
>the woods, so i'm smilin' and hummin "it's alright." have a rockin
>day.
>lisa
>"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life
>less
>seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers
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subject:      ig on the radio - in singapore!!!
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'tis true..'tis true..just got a phone call from my best friend....she's
doing this temporary job which requires her to count traffic..*hey don't
look at me..ask her about it*...anyway, she tuned in to power'98, one of
our radio stations for 14 hours and she heard soy twice!!!!

can you beat that..not once but twice!!!!

sorry for the waste of bandwidth..but this is a really special
event...hmm..mixed thoughts abt it though..i'm glad that they're finally
getting the recognition they deserve but on the other hand..i don't really
like the idea of them going mainstream..sorta loses its novelty...u guys
know what i mean...

anyway, there's hope for them yet here in 'lil 'ol singapore....*g*..

buh-bye

siti.

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>"joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu> writes:
>> ...just 'cuz i love reading all of the discussions on this subject, what do
>> y'all think about this one:  cara mia is amy............
>>
>hmmm, the lines about sweating in the sheets, which seem like a sexual
>reference, make me think it's not about amy.  didn't we see in an interview
>that it was about an unhealthy relationship?  i know that emily said that
>mystery was (which kinda surprised me)  am i getting this confused?  i
>thought it was both of them.
>
>tom
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subject:      i_g fan club phone # (concert dates)

the phone # for the indigo girls fan club is (770) 333-7040.

this is a recorded message giving concert dates/locations and the opportunity
to leave your name and address to receive info on "the girls" via snail mail.

we were glad to find this info---thought it was worth posting.

read ya later,
paula & diane

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hello, all! =)
      okay, i got about 792 requests last time (yes, i'm exaggerating a bit)
so supply was short, but you'll all be glad to know that i was blessed with
10 more copies... they were $6, so with tax and postage they'll be $8.  the
following people are the ones who wrote to me before who have dibs.  if
you're one of these people, please write to me soon so i can either reserve
your copy or give it to someone else. =)

1) beth p.
2) jen l.
3) dennis g.
4) annemarie
5) lesley
6) karen
7) cindy jo
8) jude h.
9) fran e.
10) melissa

i guess that covers all ten, but if these people don't reply to me this week
or so, i'll give their copies to the first people who do... =)  i'm going to
stop by another target today, so maybe i'll have some luck there. =)  until
later, peace, love, and lift, sarah

(i'll definitely try to be there tonight.  early show because i'm young.  i
have really long, curly hair and chances are i'll have overalls on... say
hello! =) )

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found this on the advocate's daily news :

girls on the go
indigo girls' new album, shaming of the sun, will be the highest-selling
debut album on next week's top album chart. the girls will also perform live
via a pay-per-view concert on june 6 in a show originating from boston. check
with your local cable operator for details.

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in a message dated 97-05-14 11:59:14 edt, you write:

<< ut they do
cover a rod stewart song on the philadelphia soundtrack- i don't want to
talk about it- and it is a great cover (and that is coming from a person
whose music collection contains more rod stewart  >>

................that's not a rod stewart song.....it was written by the late
danny whitten and appears on the 1971 self titled album by crazy horse with
danny singing lead. the album also contains "downtown" which later appeared
on neil young's "tonight's the night" album and "beggar's day" which later
appeared on nazaerth's album "hair of the dog".   crazy horse became neil
young's favorite backing band after danny whitten's death. the original crazy
horse line-up also included nils lofgren of bruce springsteen's e-street band
and jack nietchze who is now a producer and writes countless soundtracks for
hollywood films.
                            rod stewart has written some wonderful songs
("gasoline alley", "every picture tells a story", etc.) but he doesn't get
credit for this one. let's give it back to the brilliant, late, lamented
danny whitten. thanks for listening.
                                 brian

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>i've been contemplating joni's question all day, is caramia amy?
>
>i don't have an answer.

i am curious to hear why so many seem to feel the song is about amy. there
are parts that could apply to her in general terms, but i don't think the
references are specific enough. it just doesn't work for me -- especially
through out the song as it gets more antagonistic. i suppose i may just be
anti "em is singing about amy". i recall many felt mystery was written with
amy in mind and i didn't see that one either (and i think em's recent
comments about mystery dealt that arguement a severe blow).

anyway...in college i must have heard the line "people, people, people --
if you're going to make an assertion, you need to back it up with evidence"
a zillion times. i guess i need to hear some evidence as to why the song is
about amy. i don't believe any body who says it's about amy has offered
any.

any takers?

deb

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hi,
   i have 8 extra tickets for the may 18 auburn alabama concert - $12.00
each.  seats are for row 11.
   e-mail me if interested.
     jim gundlach

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hey all--

i don't know if this was posted already (cuz i get the digest version)
but on the ig newsgroup on usenet, jeff clark from rdr said that the guy
ben from smoke says on hkf:

"it's so hard when everyone goes away..see ya later"

so that settles the confusion! :)

therese (who still insists that ben said something about "illinois")

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hey everyone!

we have yet to really discuss the meaning of burn all the letters, but
something keeps coming up in my head every time i listen to it.  the first
verse sound to me like it's a reference to a poet who had all her love poems
that she wrote to her husband published posthumously.  i'm not a literature
major but the name emily dickinson comes to mind.  i think that's what
happened with her.  like her cousin or something found the poems and gave
them to a publisher.  maybe this is emily's sort of apology to invading her
private life by reading the poems "i am sorry that i set my sight on the
things i read" and now the real meaning can never be understood "once upon a
love those words blew free and secret but the pages lay around" and now the
"greedy generations on down" are making money from her iner-most feelings.
the chorus with the soldiers are coming etc. reminds me of anne frank's
diary in a way. the way that the "soldiers are coming to plunder but they
are some things they will never know".  the whole song sounds like a paradox
between writing something down to ease you pain which i think is a good way
to relieve all the held back feelings, and then having someone be able to
actually read that and how it can be misunderstood or the public "perverts
(preverts?) it in the reading" now these are just random thoughts, i'm not
sure about any of this stuff.  any thoughts are appriciated.

thanks for reading!!

rob
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*  in your heart."  --sioux indian saying    *
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hey kind friends~

ticketmaster finally has  some info about the june 28 dallas show at the
starplex. tickets go on sale  may 30th - 12pm (centeral time).

prices: $27, $21, & $15  (no lawn tickets)

i       tony, da chickenman - houston, texas, usa       g
n                                                       i
d       not content to bow and bend to the whims        r
i       of culture that swoop like vultures eating      l
g       us away to our extinction -  emily              s
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hey,

remember last tour when they used to do those package deals like melissa
does where you get good seats to and bus, hotel etc in the cities?  anyone
hear anything about that this time?  i never took one but i'm sure it'd be
awesome.  travelling with indigo freaks like me, seeing shows.  this just
came to mind today as i asked my non-existant genie in the lamp for my wish:
to fly out to colorado for the 3 red rocks shows.

still dreamin',

rob
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>i don't know if this was posted already (cuz i get the digest version)
>but on the ig newsgroup on usenet, jeff clark from rdr said that the guy
>ben from smoke says on hkf:
>
> "it's so hard when everyone goes away..see ya later"
>
>so that settles the confusion! :)

am i the only one who thinks not? there are a hell of a lot more syllables
in what he says the first time than what appears above. and the "see ya
later" part comes at the end. the confusion continues...

deb

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i know we did this before, but since the concert was postponed, here we go
again...

if you are planning on having dinner at 6:00 at applebee's with us,
*please* email me quickly and let me know.  i need some sort of count, so i
know...  even if you're not sure.  thanks!!!

sue-the-planner-of-this-strange-trip :)

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subject:      the videos are available!!!!

okay kids!  they're here!  the video we've been talking about is now
available!
on it is:   indigo girls on letterman - 4/30, indigo girls on rosie -
5/2, indigo girls video yearbook, ellen - the episode, ellen on
primetime (most of it anyway!)....

alrighty!   here 'tis!

aquarius, pisces, aries         =  bethany  <426roy@msn.com>
taurus, gemini, cancer       =  joni   <jcyr@mit.edu>
leo, virgo, libra          =  julie   <outnhvn@aol.com>
scorpio, sagittarius, capricorn  =   tracy   <salray1@webtv.net>

i may be having one more person helping, in case these people get
swamped.  and if this is the case, i'll happily dub them for y'all
too... (the only reason i didn't was b/c 4 divides evenly into 12,
whereas 5 doesn't!)  so, let me know if i can do more...
gossett@centre.edu
by the way, if my branches are swamped, feel free to direct some to
me, k??


enjoy!   and thank the wishmonstr for the origianl!

cindy     =o)

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well, i'm gone. i'll see(or read) ya'll next year. look for me at
notheast concerts,i'll be sure to have my list shirt on.
bye,ben(ps...all color me grey and album flat people...your stuff should
be out to you within a week...bye)

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so what was the final decision on the
red rocks info?? tomorrow or monday.??
i'd like to know
anj

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subject:      re: burn all the letters discussion

the world would would be a poorer place without the
works of emily dickenson, anne frank and
virginia woolf.
once something is created it's meaning changes as each
person reacts to it. it's meaning  does not remain static ...
i would dissagree that if someone defines something in their
own personal way that this is perverting it ..
as an artist and an art lover,i find that notion insulting.
that's probably why i dislike batl despite the lovely melody,
and am nearly overcome with the desire to suggest that es
just get over it. *oops* ;)

anyway,
thats what i think at the moment.
love,
claire

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subject:      red rocks tickets tomorrow!

hey everyone!
just a quick update on the red rocks ticket scene!  i just checked with our
local radio station here in boulder and they were very curtain that tickets
do
go on sale tomorrow (friday) at 10:00 am mountain time, 12:00 noon
eastern, at ticketmasters.  kbco along with fey concerts are presenting the
show, so hopefully they would know.  i for one am going to be at the ticket
office with cash in hand at 10:00 am!!!

my earlier post stated 9:00 am.  this is not correct.  i guess it is better
to be early than late for these things :)  ticketmasters here in colorado can
be
reached at (303) 830-8497.

as for reserved, last time the girls played red rocks they had a reserved
section.  red rocks is a little different regarding reserved.  the first 10
rows or so are ga.  the next 20 rows or so are reserved.  all remaining rows
are ga again.  if you plan to get there really early and get in the first 10
rows, don't bother paying extra for reserved.  if you are getting there
later,
reserved is a good idea.  if you are unsure, get reserved, cuz you can
always sit in the ga seats if they are open.

hope to see you there!
- - howdy...

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              15, 97 3:01 pm

therese wrote:

> > "it's so hard when everyone goes away..see ya later"

deb reiser said:
> am i the only one who thinks not? there are a hell of a lot more syllables
> in what he says the first time than what appears above. and the "see ya
> later" part comes at the end. the confusion continues...

i have to agree, that isn't what was said. i can make out:

        its so hard when they all have....

my current guess is either:

        its so hard when they all have ... and goin' away

or:

        its so hard when they all (pack up their things) and goin' away

that prt in parenthesis is really fast and muddled.  i haven't been
able to deciper in with the headphones while playing with the balance....

                                -- chris

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i have to agree with everything this person said....to hell with labels,
they only limit and intimidate people..be what you are, theres nothing
wrong with that...and if "they" think there is, then to hell with
them!!!!!!
tracy
also doing her job to piss off the right..

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i called fey concerts at 303.694.1234 and they said monday at 11:30.
someone else said that he received information from the local radio
station, which claims tickets go on sale tomorrow at 10:00.
ticketmaster (303.830.8497) says that the on-sale date has not been
released to them yet.
i think it is monday for three reasons:
1). fey is the promoter and i tend to think they would be a more reliable
source than the radio station.
2). i doubt that ticketmaster would have absolutely no idea the day before
the tickets are going on sale (but maybe).
3). concert on-sale dates are always announced in the friday magazines of
the local newspapers.  if the tickets were going on sale tomorrow there
would have been no on-sale announcements in the local papers.  that
doesn't make sense.
-g.
on thu, 15 may 1997, anjeanette milner wrote:

> so what was the final decision on the
> red rocks info?? tomorrow or monday.??
> i'd like to know
> anj
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> further fascination?" i said, "love, would you know me? would you know my
> mouth if it wasnt on you? ...what can i leave you? what part of me?
> what will breathe eternally?"   ~amy ray, chickenman soc: charleston, sc
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subject:      shed your skin tabs

i'm reeeeeeeally sorry, but right as i was reading the chords someone's
guitar teacher figured out, my cat stepped on my keyboard and messed my
entire screen up and i lost half the stuff i was reading. if someone
could re-post them, or send them to me privately, i would be really
grateful!

~andy

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correction:  i just called fey concerts and now they are saying that the
tickets go on sale tomorrow for sure at 10:00 am mdt.  sorry about all the
confusion.
i have my suspicions that the multiple on-sale dates for the three shows
is what has caused this problem.  so maybe the second or third concert
goes on sale monday?
anyway, sorry to those non-colorado bound folks!
-g.

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subject:      ig realaudio interview somewhere on the web...

if anyone has the url for this interview please tell me????  i somehow
m,anaged to *lose* where i had wrote it down and i *really* wanna hear
it!!!!!!

anyone?????

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)

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hey bud,

i need your snail addy again!  i have the moohlah here for the vinyl all set
to go!  (sorry it took me this long..i was a tad broke :))

--sue kwan :

*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*

"i stood without clothes, danced in the sand          o
i was aching with freedom, kissing the damned    #=={o/)
i said remember this as how it should be..."        <<                                 -- a.r.


attn:  all parties that forward chain letters, junk mail, and such, to this
address will be flogged accordingly.  have a nice day :)

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subject:      should i *cut it out*?

hi peeps!  i think i might have stumbled (didn't hurt myself) upon the
chords for cut it out. flame me loudly if they have already been posted. i
haven't seen them, but i imagine they already have, since it's such an
easy song to play. ok, ready? get out (the map?!) your pen and paper and
write this down:

em

c

there. i believe amy plays em, c throughout the entire song.  if it's
otherwise, please flame/e-mail me.  i'm not very good at snatching chords
out of the air, so i'm prolly wrong..

-liz-(who came out at work today! a great experience)

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subject:      just want to share

     this is just another one of those indigo moments.  i don't usually have them so i
thought i would share.  i'm sure i won't have another one for quite a while.
     so the other day i was driving in my car.  i do this thing where i will play one song
from any given indigo tape.  (i made mixes to suit my moods.)  anyway after hearing a
song i eject the tape and check the radio to see if soy is on. ( it is pretty often now.)
well it was but here's what got me.  now i remember some time ago someone  on the
list posted they thought they were being pulled over by the police when that part with
the sirens came on right?  well the anouncer on the radio said "this is a new song by
the indigo girls.  it's a great song, i heard it in my car the other night and there's
this part that has police sirens in the back ground.  it scared me i thought i was getting
pulled over.  so all of out there in your cars don't get scared it's just the radio."  isn't
that a hoot!  the station is k104.7 for anyone in the lower ny area.
     now a co worker of mine told me he saw something that has made me post this
question.  ok is anyone of you a bearded man that drives a vw van late 60's early 70's  model with lisense plates that read indigo girls?  i don't know how it's worded on the plates but he said thats how it read.  i'm thinking maybe ndgogrls.  who knows.
i just thought maybe one of you were driving through my neiborhood a few days ago.
     that's it.
fellow list member,
heather

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oops -- sent this just to howdy only...

actually, the reserved section of red rocks tends to start with row
twenty-something (can't remember the exact number.)

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hey purple people!

i found this at reuter's news...some chica in montgomery, alabama (not too
sure if this is correct..you read the article to figure it out) won the
lyric concert (i cant remeber the heading for this article -- it told where
the kid was from)

anyways....here goes.  hugs to everyone that entered whose name happens not
to be "ashley tillery"...okay, hugs to ashley too...wherever she is...


---reuters 5/15
>new york, may 15 /prnewswire/ -- booker t. washington magnet school is
>mobilizing in anticipation of a may 19 concert by the grammy-award winning
>pop rock duo, the indigo girls.  the concert is part of the grand prize won
>by 16-year-old student ashley tillery in the scholastic write lyrics contest,
>sponsored by epic records.
>
>"i like to create snapshots with my words," explains ashley about her winning
>lyric.  "i wanted to show that as a society, we worship things we shouldn't
>-- first of all, television and mainstream media; also, money and power."
>
>the scholastic write lyrics program uses popular music to encourage student
>writing and expression.  the contest ran this past winter in four of
>educational publisher scholastic inc.'s classroom magazines -- junior
>scholastic, action, literary cavalcade, and scope.  the contest also appeared
>online through the scholastic network on the world wide web at
>www.scholastic.com.  scholastic will publish the lyric this fall in the above
>mentioned magazines, reaching nearly 5 million middle and high school
>students and their teachers.
>
>earlier this school year, teachers and students who read the magazines
>received a special, thought provoking cassette with songs touching on themes
>ranging from friendship to child abuse to the value of hard work.  before
>each song, the indigo girls describe the inspiration for the song and give
>advice to young lyricists.  the cassette, produced by epic records, features
>five previously released tracks and one track, "cut it out" from the indigo
>girls latest compact disk, shaming of the sun, released on april 29.  in
>addition to the tape, teachers also received a colorful classroom foldout and
>an extensive teacher's guide.
>
>amy ray and emily sailers, who make up the indigo girls, personally selected
>ashley's lyric from among more than 12,000 entries.  as the grand prize
>winner, ashley will meet the indigo girls when they perform at her school and
>will receive an apple powermacintosh computer, courtesy of apple. twenty-five
>runners-up will be awarded an autographed copy of shaming of the sun and
>tickets with backstage passes to their upcoming summer tour.
>
>"it was an honor, not to mention a lot of fun, to judge this contest and we
>look forward to meeting ashley," said sailers.  "there are a lot of very
>talented young writers out there, and we encourage everyone to keep writing
>so that one day they can be successful at whatever they choose."
>
>the indigo girls began singing together in their high school chorus in
>decatur, georgia.  they went on to collaborate on their own songs in college
>and were signed by epic records in 1988.  their debut album, indigo girls,
>released in 1989, went platinum and earned a grammy award for "best
>contemporary folk recording."  shaming of the sun is the indigo girls'
>seventh release on epic records.  when they aren't recording, emily and amy
>regularly lend their talents and time to a variety of causes and charities.
>
>this is the fourth year that scholastic has run the write lyrics contest.
>more than 60,000 seventh through twelfth grade students nationwide have
>entered the previous scholastic write lyrics contests, which featured such
>exceptional talents as 10,000 maniacs, jackson browne and tracy chapman.
>
>for more than 75 years, scholastic has been committed to creating quality
>educational materials for students, teachers and families.  the company is
>one of the leading publishers and distributors of children's books, classroom
>and professional magazines and core curriculum products.  scholastic also
>publishes educational software and produces children's and family-oriented
>video and television programming.  the company's international operations
>include canada, australia, new zealand, the united kingdom, france and
>mexico.
>
>excerpt from the 1997 scholastic write lyrics contest grand prize winning
>
>entry:
>
>us night
>
>by ashley tillery, 16
>
>we must unite all the desperate words dangling on the tips of our tongues
>into a mighty cry.  we can't allow the night to slip away without bidding it
>adieu
>
>without thanking it for sheltering us when we were our most naked
>
>and least colorful
>
>this is true love for the shadows
>
>i can't hide.
>
>source  scholastic inc.
>
>co:  scholastic inc.; epic records
>
>
>

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subject:      read me!!! re: the videos are available!!!!

hey -

if you already e-mailed the wish monster (which would be me) e-mail these
people again to solidify it all.  i'm sorry this is all a disorganized mess,
(oops) but this is what happens when i get mono.  (i know, i know, poor me .
. . )
here are the branches again:

aquarius, pisces, aries         =  bethany  <426roy@msn.com>
taurus, gemini, cancer       =  joni   <jcyr@mit.edu>
leo, virgo, libra          =  julie   <outnhvn@aol.com>
scorpio, sagittarius, capricorn  =   tracy   <salray1@webtv.net>

alright, go for it!!!

-elizabeth

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subject:      nigc, nec, npc (no political content):) zoe

have any of you ever heard of zoe? she's not bad. i like her.

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              you a name
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on thu, 15 may 1997, indigo jo wrote:

>
> incidentally what is phelps doing running a church when he is a lawyer?

oh being a ignorant sanctimonious mouthfoaming liar i think hes perfect
to run a church and be a lawyer!

sorry people, i lost access to internet for a few days and i'm in one of
those excited moods now being back...:)
han

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may 16
cybertech3@mindspring.com (jeremiah dooley)
happy 22nd, miah!

may 18
russ@dexmn.com (russ rutter)
happy 44th, russ!

may 19
bedwards@actamed.com (bonnie edwards)
happy 27th, bonnie!

may 19
xena44@juno.com (andy s. boettcher)
happy 17th, andy!


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no, i hadn't forgotten about the birthdays, we just had a bit of a
gap there.  oh, and if anyone has a birthday in august, let me know,
'cause i don't have any for that month.

bg the fourth,
        charter member of ysfc and sbmfc,
                and all around nice person,
                        anna

"i like to write really quiet songs on the electric guitar."  -amy ray


http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm

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hkf--ok folks, tsk, tsk, who's not reading all their mail? somebody posted
2? weeks ago that they had spoken to benjamin (aka the hkf guy) and he said
something about " it's so hard when it's annoying," or something like that.
they gave the exact words from him. who was it?  post it again.

batl--some answers from the music central interview that betsy was way cool
to post:

>and then "burn all the letters" is a song that i started writing in the
>          studio. never done that before either just kind of
>          jamming.
>-------
>question.  what inspired that?
>
>emily.     well a lot was our honor the earth tour, and
>          some of the native americans that we've met.
>          and also that whole issue of privacy, which i think
>          about a lot.
>-------
>question. that must be a big issue for you.
>
>emily.     well, it's not so bad really, but i think about the
>          way human beings are really interested to know
>          every detail of everyone else's life. and then i
>          coupled that with the injustice of having
>          government agencies infiltrating your life, and
>          watching you, and sometimes killing you. i just
>          sort of tied those things together loosely in my
>          mind, and in that song.

ok, i'll stop being a know-it-all and go back to work.  14 hrs til the
written section of my ma exams and how many times did i post today??? can
you say avoidance?
lisa

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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date:         thu, 15 may 1997 21:54:38 -0400
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my fiance informed me he heard a snippet of ctf on "the fan" - a totally
sports radio station in toronto!

lori
slowly converting him... =)


"this is now, this is here, this is me, this is what i wanted you to see."
                                            rem

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hey,
i know it's been a while since this one was released, but if anyone has any
critique, comment etc.. i would love to hear them.
also, if anyone has heard about someone selling the videos above cost, please
let me know about that too.

thanks

elizabeth

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about rdr no longer selling ig boots:

i know perry said this to me in an e-mail, but that was in response
to my question about whether there'd be more early recordings
volumes, and it was quite a while ago.  i figured he'd at least
sell the boots he had left of vol. 1
and 2 as well as the in with the out crowd cd.  i guess i was
wrong in my thoughts though.   and, yep, i've been off the list
for school and i missed all these happenings.  it's unfortunate,
but i still post if i hear a good cd that y'all will like.  my post was
about new mongrels mostly, and what i said about rdr being
great still holds true.  i think they've been great sports
through all of this.

i think rdr has probably done a lot to help ig fans get to know
their music better.  i'm sure the boots haven't hurt anything.
anyway, i'm a little miffed at this.
i can see why amy doesn't like her personal tapes getting out...
but give me a break...she's a famous musician....what the hell
does she expect?...and she makes enough of her own money.
we are good fans....we want to get as much of her and em's stuff
as we can.  we don't buy these things to help make money for rdr.
i think rdr is great to offer them for fans.  i would've never been able
to hear some of that stuff had it not been for them.  i know tapes are
out there, but sometimes you just don't find out about them.  if amy
is so concerned about it, why not make the stuff available legally
to her fans, since she damn well knows we would love it, especially
as an offering from ig rather than by bootleg.  this is all just a result

of our fanship.  if no one wanted it, rdr wouldn't offer it.  i still
think
rdr is great, and i am very very happy that i got those early recordings
cds before they stopped selling them.  and i would never apologize for
buying them....even to amy. i've become more enlightened about ig's
growth and history, so i am more enthusiatic now about seeing them
evolve more.  the boots have only helped me.

does anyone know what emily thinks about this?


lisa
lschreihart@juno.com

p.s.  if rdr didn't have any ig, they'd still be cool!

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hey y'all!

     no indigo girl specific content here, but if you look really
closely you might find some!

     basically, i just wanted to let you know if you're interested in
ezines (or mags) on any & all topics you can imagine?  i discovered this
little publication after my first indigo show back in 1989 and have
subscribed to the paper version since.  anyway, this mag i'm referring
to is called factsheet five and it's filled with zine reviews, audio
reviews, comic reviews, etc.  it's got interesting tidbits for all:
including for gays, lesbians, bisexuals, straight, or any "category" one
might think of!  i've spent all evening "bookmarking" interesting sites
i plan to go back & check out later!  here's the info for anyone who's
interested... and, no, i am not affiliated with this mag in any way
other than being a current subscriber of the paper edition!  hope y'all
find things of interest there!

   consider this just an fyi!

*[note: before you go to these sites - be aware - they deal in
everything.. including sex and other topics that may not suit everyone!
just so you know ahead of time, okay?]*

  website:  http://www.well.com/conf/f5/zines.html  (factsheet five)

  (once you get here you might want to go directly to ezines... and
then, where i went first, john labovitz's list of all known ezines...
and check out all the topics he has listings of ezines for)

  one pretty cool site i found was called "181.4 degrees from the
norm"!   website:   http://www.181-4.com/dftn/
(i went to the bottom of the page & saw "search for reviews"... ended up
finding 2 cool little reviews of mary fortune express and ani difranco
the short time i was there!)

   anyway, y'all, there's tons of music zines out there that we perhaps
haven't found and this seems a great way to find them!   happy hunting!!
if y'all find anything really terrific... well, perhaps you'll post it
to the list later on!!

   have a great time... sorry again... not "specific" indigo post... but
it's music-related and we all love music, right?

   later y'all!

     have a great evening!

        newby,     ~twink!~

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subject:      local ig coverage!

yes it has finally happened!  la crosse, wisconsin (pop. 50,000) is at
long last acknowledging the a&e's existence.  a new radio station is
playing soy, and shaming of the sun is the cd of the week in the la
crosse tribune.  it has a funny picture of emily and amy looking up at
the camera.  emily has a dumbfounded 3-year-old look on her face, and amy
has a sneaky little smirk.  there is like junk in the background, and
what appears to be rope on the flour.  since the picture is b&w, when i
first saw it i though amy had some weirdo wig on (kinda a bjork look).
anyway, here's what they wrote (reprinted with out permission).


indigo girls, shaming of the sun

style:  contemporary acoustic duo known most for its powerful blend of
harmony vocals and emotional songwriting.

who it is:  amy ray and emily saliers

group history:  childhood friends, saliers and ray started playing as a
duo in high school in suburban atlanta in 1980, adopting the name indigo
girls in 1983.  they released their first single, "crazy game," in 1985,
got signed to epic records and put out their first full-length album,
"strange fire," in 1987.  the album "indigo girls" won a grammy for best
contemporary folk recording in 1989.  the group has attracted many top
guest musicians, from michael stipe to mary chapin carpenter, from lisa
germano to jackson browne, and with each release has gradually moved from
its folkie roots to more eclectic--and electric--sound.

this album:  the first studio album since 1994's "swamp ophelia,"
"shaming of the sun" continues to contrast ray's rough-edged voice and
more aggressive rock-tinged songs with salier's more quiet, reflective
material.  their most ambitious set yet, the disc finds the duo even
putting their stamp on grunge, world music and hip-hop styles.  if you're
a melissa etheridge fan and haven't sampled the indigo girls yet, this is
a good time to start.
                                                --mike starling


wow!  so he had a few minor errors, but for la crosse this is great!
they give you a number to call and tell you the local music store
sponsoring the cd of the week, and they play most of soy, fuck'in up and
all.  i've been to the music store before, it even occasionally has rare
items.  i was really tempted to buy uptown girls, but didn't have $35.
anyway, if this album can call attention in la crosse it can do it
anywhere!

jeremy

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in a message dated 97-05-15 13:19:45 edt, feather wrote:

<< a: well, shed your skin is kind of like that, in a way, umm, but on this
record even though some of my lyrics might sound a little abstract,
they're incredibly literal.  >>

isn't there a religion that incorporates handling snakes and speaking in
tongues?  i just got a spine tingling image of amy singing this song while
handling snakes....

spooking myself   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~>-
rachel

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time for your weekly reminder :)

tickets available thru ticketmaster...

on sale friday may 17th 10:00am
6/25 woodlands pavilion, houston / tix $17.50 - 31.00
7/17 red rocks, morrison, co / tix $24.75, 27.50

on sale saturday may 18th 10:00am
6/7 saratoga pac, saratoga springs, ny / $27.50, 15.00

announced to be on sale but not through ticketmaster...

on sale friday may 17th
6/26&27 the backyard, austin, tx

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i was wondering if anyone has or can hook me up with someone who has a
boot of the hte tour show in portland, oregon (1995). also, does anyone
have boots (from anywhere/anytime) that have chickenman with one of amy's
monologues in the middle of the song? anyone who can help, email me.
thanks much!
-sam (who would love to go to red rocks)

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sorry, i hate to be anal, but i have to correct you on this one. emily
dickinson never married, never had a husband. twice she fell in love, but
it never worked out for her. so her love poems are not to a husband. now
we all learned something today, wasn't that fun class? :]
-sam

on thu, 15 may 1997, sejarez wrote:

> the first
> verse sound to me like it's a reference to a poet who had all her love poems
> that she wrote to her husband published posthumously.  i'm not a literature
> major but the name emily dickinson comes to mind.  i think that's what
> happened with her.  like her cousin or something found the poems and gave

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> we have yet to really discuss the meaning of burn all the letters, but
> something keeps coming up in my head every time i listen to it.  the first
> verse sound to me like it's a reference to a poet who had all her love poems
> that she wrote to her husband published posthumously.  i'm not a literature
> major but the name emily dickinson comes to mind.  i think that's what
> happened with her.  like her cousin or something found the poems and gave
> them to a publisher.

i was never a lit major either, but i don't think emily dickinson could be
the person you're thinking of.  she had a relationship with a publisher
and had a lot of her work published in her lifetime.  after she died more
was published but her family and publisher censored her work, maybe even
destroying some of it.  (there are a lot of "emily was a lesbian" theories
about her, too) also, she never married, so she didn't have love letters
to her husband published.  but there are any number of other
possibilities.  vita sackville-west's letters to virginia woolf (and vice
versa) and to her husband (i think) were published, for instance.
somehow, i think they'd both be glad.

batl is a weird song because it seems to equate two really different
things - government spying and the public interest in the personal lives
of public figures, even posthumously.  to me, as long as i'm dead and gone
and can't hear the snorting laughter, i couldn't care less what got
published about me, but i sure don't want the government tapping my phone
when i'm alive.  it all anthropology to me.  i guess some people feel
differently about it, just like people differ on how they feel about
bodies after death, with some people wanting their body or that of a loved
one preserved intact in a grave and never touched and other people feeling
that dead is dead, so cremate me or donate my body to science, but don't
waste precious landfill.  i'm the second type there too so i can never get
too sympathetic about issues like digging up sacred buriel grounds, but
maybe that kind of issue was also something emily was exposed to working
with indigenous groups.

the other weird thing about batl is that the music is so peppy it's hard
to believe she's singing about government abuses and invasion of privacy.
it's like "burn all the letters, rah rah rah, i'm so happy, the
government's on the phone".

this is never going to be one of my favorite songs but it is thought
provoking.  i've been thinking that privacy is really a modern concept,
and even an especially american concept (remember all those studies about
how americans in elevators like more personal space than anyone else?).
for instance, in italy historically you couldn't get married without
having your intention to get married published in every town you had ever
lived in for like a month or something in advance.  really weird.  (and
intended to keep people from committing polygamy).  in many european
countries just a few decades ago, when you checked into a hotel, you had
to leave your passport at the desk, and pick it up when you went out, then
leave it again when you came in.  this might still be the case in russia,
or certainly was when it was the soviet union (think they had a lot of
privacy?) and of course, things like even being able to choose who you
want to marry are relatively new for most members of society, especially
women.  and everyone knows there was never much privacy in villages or
small towns.

meanwhile, we've got the internet, where no one knows you're a dog.
we're doing pretty well on the privacy scale, in my opinion. and it's
alright.

a dog, a plan, a canal -  pagoda!                alisont@netcom.com

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hallo to all!

to be (reasonably) short and sweet, one of my friends is quite distressed
that the seattle shows sold out before he could get a ticket...soooo...
if there is anyone out there that could help, puh-leease let me know...i
don't want to have to deal with his whining for the next two months! :)
ta-hanks!
:) stephanie

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> > something keeps coming up in my head every time i listen to it.  the first
> > verse sound to me like it's a reference to a poet who had all her love poems
> > that she wrote to her husband published posthumously.  i'm not a literature
> > major but the name emily dickinson comes to mind.  i think that's what
> > happened with her.  like her cousin or something found the poems and gave
> > them to a publisher.

first, this sounds strikingly like a description of elizabeth barrett
browning, but i am not a lit major either.

>
second, i don't find the idea of government intrusion so far removed from
public interest in one's personal life, and especially if i were emily,
who has had her home invaded by over-zealous fans searching for
honest-to-gosh emily mementos (heard a rumor that this was an
ex-listee...), i don't think i would find it such a leap at all.  audrey
and i started talking a while back about how this song was perhaps a
virginia woolf-ii, moving from this "all's fair game when i'm dead"
thougth into "maybe it's not so kosher after all" with batl.  and keeping
in mind things like amy's public reaction to learning that rdr was selling
illegally reproduced copies of xmas gift tapes she made in high school, i
htink that keeping private writings private might be a very dear luxury
(or right).  and frankly, having every little tag of personal meaning
poured over by strangers is a little creepy.  i'm trying to imagine what
it would be like if i suddenly became famous for doing something really
cool, and then maybe i died and now people are moving into my home and
turning it into graceland...i mean, i have shit all over my house and
suddenly it's a reflection of the way my mind worked in life, or what?
can't it just be a sign that i was a lousy housekeeper or that i worked
too hard like everyone else does? it's obviously sublime parody in my
case, but for your bona fide celebrity
like emily saliers, eventually you are going to start worrying if your
baby brother is going to be cursed for the rest of his life by forlorn
fans when you die in that plane you were so afraid of (and wrote a song
about, like maybe airplane)....

> things - government spying and the public interest in the personal lives
> of public figures, even posthumously.  to me, as long as i'm dead and gone
> and can't hear the snorting laughter, i couldn't care less what got
> published about me, but i sure don't want the government tapping my phone

> the other weird thing about batl is that the music is so peppy it's hard
> to believe she's singing about government abuses and invasion of privacy.
> it's like "burn all the letters, rah rah rah, i'm so happy, the
> government's on the phone".
>
i'm not so sure "peppy" is the word i would have chosen.  maybe resigned.
actually, it has the feel of a studio jam song to me.  reminds me of some
bruce springsteen cuts (oh great, here she goes again on bruce).  like for
example, in 1992? he went into the studio to cut human touch and two weeks
later came out with an entire second album, lucky town.  and songs off of
lt, like local hero and my beautiful reward, or better days...these have
that slightly rough, stream-of-consciousness, jam feeling like batl.  batl
feels like emily taking a risk, not sitting next to the piano with a
guitar on her lap and her favorite brand of spiral notebook, carefully
outlining themes and jotting lines and correcting (this picture is a
compilation of interviews that i sort of mushed together into this
probably totally wrong image) but maybe getting into a heated discussion
over, say, rdr or something and doing a little jam, and wow, there's a
song.  that's exciting to me, new growth and all.

> this is never going to be one of my favorite songs but it is thought
> provoking.  i've been thinking that privacy is really a modern concept,
> and even an especially american concept (remember all those studies about
>
this is an excellent and interesting point!  i like this argument.

> meanwhile, we've got the internet, where no one knows you're a dog.
> we're doing pretty well on the privacy scale, in my opinion. and it's
> alright.

and that one gets a well-earned smirk.  ha ha.  woof.

la la la///gwen

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through or around it.--emily saliers
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a. taub wrote:

>
> batl is a weird song because it seems to equate two really different
> things - government spying and the public interest in the personal lives
> of public figures, even posthumously.  to me, as long as i'm dead and gone
> and can't hear the snorting laughter, i couldn't care less what got
> published about me, but i sure don't want the government tapping my phone
> when i'm alive.  it all anthropology to me.  i guess some people feel
> differently about it, just like people differ on how they feel about
> bodies after death, with some people wanting their body or that of a loved
> one preserved intact in a grave and never touched and other people feeling
> that dead is dead, so cremate me or donate my body to science, but don't
> waste precious landfill.  i'm the second type there too so i can never get
> too sympathetic about issues like digging up sacred buriel grounds, but
> maybe that kind of issue was also something emily was exposed to working
> with indigenous groups.
>
> the other weird thing about batl is that the music is so peppy it's hard
> to believe she's singing about government abuses and invasion of privacy.
> it's like "burn all the letters, rah rah rah, i'm so happy, the
> government's on the phone".
>

one of the first things i did notice was that with "burn", it was sorta
like emily's song, "airplane".  where in a way, she's talking seriously
and intimately about the concept of keeping some level of privacy, but
having some lightness and broadness to it.  the "peppy"-ness makes me
think, yeah, it's not something i should be paranoid about (unlike some
of the critics' comments about "paranoia" and "government conspiracy"),
but, instead, she's saying, let's talk about it...how much privacy do we
really have, and do we control that?  where she sings something about
sending "them" (the letters) all to a "safer home"...is where some
lightness comes in, and so i'm stuck with...ok, so people have access to
info on me on the internet, with my personal journals, letters, etc, and
also through the things i write or say to others (even when i perceived
them as being confidential or personal between the parties
involved)...it can possibly be let out in the open, against my will.

feedback encouraged.  *disclaimer*...i'm up late again, and i'm
exhausted, but if i don't clear out my in-mail from my school account,
it gets too large, and i can't receive any more mail...my thoughts may
not be articulated well here, sorry, and my spelling may be wrong
...sorry.  oh, and the only reason why i can even somewhat articulate
what i think about this song is because i had thought about it a great
deal, earlier.  =)

good nite,
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu
ps  gosh, you're still reading...thanks!
might as well check out my school behind the redwood curtain, also where
the sequel to jurasick park was filmed...
http://www.humboldt.edu

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in a message dated 97-05-16 04:28:05 edt, sam writes:

<< sorry, i hate to be anal, but i have to correct you on this one. emily
dickinson never married, never had a husband. twice she fell in love, but
it never worked out for her. so her love poems are not to a husband. >>

yeah.

and weren't there also a lot of references to 'fire' in her poems ?

purrrrr !
cat woman
p.s. disagree. (see, i can spell ;)

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i really don't see any similarity between "burn" and "airplane", mainly
because "airplane" is so literal.........em is talking about how much she
hates to fly.  (personally, i kind of identify with that because i think if
god wanted us to fly he'd have bought the ticket.)  anyway, i agree with
everything you said about "burn" but i disagree with seeing any of it in
"airplane".

just my two shiney happy pennies,

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
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hey y'all!

does anyone know why the girls do not play joking live anymore? this
song has a special meaning to me, and i am bummed that i have never
heard it live, (except on 1200)...i am determined to get them to play
it at the detroit show.....i was just wondering if anyone knows of a
reason they have said that i am not privy to....can someone fill me
in??

forever indigo,
cathy

"....and for everything i learn there are two i don't understand..."
e. saliers

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for those of you trying to find out when tickets for certain show go
on sale...did you try ticketmaster.com...i think their web sight
shows when tickets are going to be on sale....i was browsing it a
couple of days ago...i think it was under the "new --weekly" sales
section, or something like that, it shows all the shows
nationwide(not just ig) that a due to be sold each week.....its worth
a check....dont quote me on it though....

forever indigo,
cathy


..."if i have a care in the world, i have a gift to bring...." e.
saliers

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hellooooooo

here's the review of sots that was in this week's d, which is, by the way, the
nation's oldest college newspaper

who gives a flyin fark!!!

i told chad he was my new best buddy now for being so glow-y

enjoy.

;) susan, who found out yesterday she will be a member of the dartmouth class
of 99!
*****
indigo girls' "shaming of the sun" offers best of the old, and the new

by chad sclove

        there's both good news and good news about the indigo girls' latest
release, "shaming at the sun".  the good news is that it's much more
experimental than their five previous studio releases, leading to a much richer
and more creative sound.  the good news is that it's still the solid, deep, and
touching indigo girls that we've come to know and love.
        the album is definitely more rock oriented than their other works.  the
girls hinted towards this direction, with the hard hitting ending of "touch me
fall", and the drum driven "least complicated", off of 1994's "swamp ophelia".
on "shaming of the sun", however, the trend is brought to an entirely new
level.  the album is, for the most part, faster, heavier, and more energetic.
        the album's opening track, "shame on you", clearly sets the tone for
the entire disc.  it opens with amy ray's acoustic guitar belting out a very
driven, classic rock style sound.  as for most of the album, however, the track
is much more expansive and touches many more styles than the opening would
indicate.  moments after being drawn in by the catchy introduction, the melody
is introduced, as catchy and solid as "galileo".  soon, it is supported by sara
lee on bass and jerry marotta on drums, both of whom play in a much more
modern-rock oriented feel.
        then, amy's partner in crime, emily saliers adds her banjo work, which
somehow not only fits the guitar dominated song perfectly, but adds to it
immensely.  later on, it even becomes the focal part of the song, given it a
"down home" kind of feel.  ultimately, as with any indigo girls' song, the
vocals are what really bring it all together.  the chorus is incredible, the
harmonies are as tight and appropriate as they've ever produced.  when all is
said and done, the chorus to "shame on you" sticks in one's head as much as
"closer to fine" ever could.
        finally, the lyrics on this song, as on the whole album, are some of
the duo's strongest to date.  they still deliver their abstract truths on life
and love, which always seem to be incredibly moving and profound, but
miraculously unpretentious.  at the same time, however, the album's lyrics take
on a more concrete, character oriented, and political kind of tone.
        the track to follow, "get out the map", may be the album's strongest.
it offers the same combination of old and new as the song before, but is even
stronger in its feeling.  it also re-introduces the cute, child-like
spontaneous charm that the indigo girls have shown on early songs like
"airplane".  the chorus, reading "get out the map and lay your finger anywhere
down/we'll leave the figuring to those we pass on our way out of town/don't
drink the water, there seems to be something ailing everyone/i'm gonna clear my
head/i'm gonna drink that sun/i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love
is good and young", is characteristic of the song's playful spirit.
        other tunes, such as "shed your skin", go even further in the
experimental direction.  in particular, "shed your skin" is heavy, aggressive,
distorted, and dissonant.  somehow, it manages to be as groovy and catchy as
the rest of the album.  in particular, the rhythm section is extremely creative
in their parts, sara lee's feel on the song plays with its rhythmic sensibility
the whole way through, and provides a powerful counterpoint to the guitar work.
        "shaming of the sun" has plenty of other highlights which mix the
traditional style of the band with new ideas.  "caramia" is the most textured
song; it explodes with a beautiful string section by the end, and the sound is
incredibly full.  "it's alright" is an amazing straight ahead rock tune, with a
great melody, a dancing beat, and well-written lyrics.  finally, "leeds" is a
gorgeous and touching piano based ballad, and the chord changes are
unforgettable.
        end result: this one is definitely worth picking up.  if you've always
been an indigo girls fan, you won't be disappointed.  even if you haven't, you
probably won't either.

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>at 10:59 pm 5/15/97 -0700, alison wrote:
it all anthropology to me.  i guess some people feel
>>differently about it, just like people differ on how they feel about
>>bodies after death, with some people wanting their body or that of a loved
>>one preserved intact in a grave and never touched and other people feeling
>>that dead is dead, so cremate me or donate my body to science, but don't
>>waste precious landfill.  i'm the second type there too so i can never get
>>too sympathetic about issues like digging up sacred burial grounds, but
>>maybe that kind of issue was also something emily was exposed to working
>>with indigenous groups.

i'm repeating myself from the pc debate. :-) but it's an issue of power and
choice. within the us, the burial grounds of indigenous peoples have been
dug up and the remains put on display as if they were 1)no longer alive--the
ole "indians are extinct--or almost" myth, and 2)the nations were totally
ignored when they voiced protest, and also ignored when they asked for the
remains of their relatives to be returned. it's like, "we're puttin aunt
jane in this case here as a curio and there ain't nothing you can do about
it." because most native cosmologies involve concepts of an afterlife that
necessitate specific burial rites, this would mean aunt jane was heading for
hell. (i gotta watch those direct comparisons to christianity, definite
probs) i think you're right and e definitely knows this. >>

>the other weird thing about batl is that the music is so peppy it's hard
>to believe she's singing about government abuses and invasion of privacy.
>it's like "burn all the letters, rah rah rah, i'm so happy, the
>government's on the phone".

i totally agree with this.  the chorus is contagious and then you think
about what you're singing so happily.
peace,
lisa
"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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i'm sorry, i screwed up my days of the week and dates.  i had the right
info in my brain but it didn't make its way to my fingers. here is the
**real** info:

tickets available thru ticketmaster...

on sale **friday** may 16th 10:00am
7/17 red rocks, morrison, co / tix $24.75, 27.50

on sale **saturday** may 17th 10:00am
6/25 woodlands pavilion, houston / tix $17.50 - 31.00

on sale **sunday** may 18th 10:00am
6/7 saratoga pac, saratoga springs, ny / $27.50, 15.00

announced to be on sale but not through ticketmaster...

on sale **saturday** may 17th
6/26&27 the backyard, austin, tx

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all three postings of these chords before, so i will add mine to the
"vote".  :-)  i play the chords as indicated, playing the intro as
exclusively up-strokes and stopping the strings with my forearm.  this is
an alternative to playing power chords.  i addition, i have added all the
words, etc.  some neat percussive sounds are played in the "my friend
tanner..." part that i play but strumming the a and d9 chords on the
original downstroke and then lay my pinky across the strings and play the
muted strings.  at the d* i play the d9 chord, sliding it from first to
the second fret, three times quickly in succession.

special thanks to carolyn chow whose gave us the chord progression i use
here.

this has been a very fun song to learn how to play....

same pattern throughout...

shame on you

a       002220
d9      000230
e       022100


        a a d9 e (2 times)

        a
        my friends they wash the windows
        d9                      e
        and they shine in the sun
        a
        they tell me wake up early in the morning sometime
                      d9                  e
        see what a beautiful job we done

        i say let's put on some tunes
        sing along and dolittle all day
        go down to the riverside, take off our shoes
        and wash these sins away

        the river said, la la la, it said
        shame on you
        the river said, la la la, it said
        shame on you

        i go down to chicano city park
        'cause it makes me feel so fine
        and when the weeds go down you can see up close
        in the dead of the wintertime

        but when the summer comes everything's in bloom
        and you wouldn't know it's there
                a [hold]
        and the white folks like to pretend it's not
                d9 [hold]         e [hold]
        but their music's in the air

        you can hear them singing, la, la, la, they said
        shame on you
        you can feel them dancing, la, la, la, they said
        shame on you

        my friend tanner, she says you know me and jesus
        we're of the same heart
        the only thing that keeps us distant
        is that i keep messin' up

        i said come on down to chicano city park
        [and] wash your blues away
               a [hold]
        the beautiful ladies walk right by
                  d* [hold]            e [hold]
        you know i never know what to say

        they'll be singing, ooh la, la, la...
        shame on you
        they'll be dancing, la, la, la...they said
        shame on you...
        shame on you

        a a d9 e (6 times)

                  a [hold]
        let's go road block tripping in the middle of the night
              d9 [hold]    e [hold]
        up in gainesville town
        there'll be blue lights flashing down the long dirt road
        when they ask me to step out

        they say we've been looking for illegal immigrants
        can we check your car
                               a [hold]
        i said you know it's funny
        d9 [hold]                           e [hold]
        i think you were on the same boat back in 1694

        and i said, ooh la, la, la...
        shame on you
        they'll be dancing, la, la, la...they said
        shame on you...

        i said, ooh, la, la, la...
        shame on you
        i said, la, la, la, i said
        shame on you...

        i said, i said, la, la, la...
        shame on you
        they'll be dancing, la, la, la...they said
        shame on you...
        shame on you

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hey!!!! (just trying to get y'all to pay attention).

has anything been set for a pre- or post-show get-together for the friday chastain show?  i really can't wait to meet all of you people, so we need to get something together. i would volunteer, but since i haven't lived in atlanta for three years, i'm not sure what the best places would be for us to meet at.

any ideas/suggestions?

easily stressed over little things,
-rich (sbmfc charter member & official mentor)
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always die
to make room for men
who shout. who tell lies to
children, and crush the corners
off of old men's dreams.
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i sent a notice to the listserv to get a list of members and they sent it
along w/this message about my signature that i thought was really funny.

> "the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
unknown command -  try help.

> seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers
unknown command -  try help.

:-) lisa
"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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i have 4 tickets for the chastain park show on the 23rd. please,email me
at: malibue@evansville.net

jenn

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*sniff sniff sniff*

the time has come for all us college students to trudge homeward to
family, friends and no internet access!!! i have enjoyed this list
tremendously (in comparison to the etheridge list and the ani list)..
don't get me wrong, those lists were fine, but this list seems to have a
life of it's own and more igc than nigc...

i will miss you but i will be back in the fall to harrass and torment!
beware! *grin*

stay shameless, stay proud...
                              britt

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hey there!

i'm taping the new world cafe performance...and will be able to copy for a
blank or trade if anybody wants.  fyi, though, world cafe is broadcast on a
low power station around here, so i am taping in mono.  only way i can get
it. just so ya know.  and -- even though the show is 60 min, i am taping on
a 90 min tape (outta '60s).  if this is cool, lemme know, we can trade.

btw, david dye is pretty cool : )

lorie

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>  maybe this is emily's sort of apology to invading her
>private life by reading the poems "i am sorry that i set my sight on the
>things i read" and now the
>"greedy generations on down" are making money from her iner-most feelings.
>the chorus with the soldiers are coming etc. reminds me of anne frank's
>diary in a way.
        anne frank?  how 'bout virginia wolfe?  they published her diary and
that's how emily got to know her.  is emily a prevert too?  is there a
contradiction here or is it just artistic growth--i forget.
                        curiosity killed the cat,
                        julie feia

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will trade ig stuff.  i've only got 1 mm boot.  write back if you're willing
to trade.  ig bootlist is on my web site.

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ack!!!

they're on the world cafe today, friday, may whatever it is.....i pulled a
very fast and very illegal u-turn to race back home and stick a tape in the
recorder.....i missed the first song (it's allright), but it just started,
and now they're doing a beautiful version of hkf (i just luuuuuuuuuuv this
song :) minus the weird vocals!! yea!!!  i'm sorry y'all if this has already
been posted, but i hadn't seen it, so i thought i'd tell yall, in case any
of you can still hear wc wherever you may be....if you don't know when or if
it airs in your area, call your local public/community radio station, they
can probalby tell you.....happy listening!

cylinda
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at 08:51 pm 5/15/97 pst, lisa m. schreihart wrote:
>i can see why amy doesn't like her personal tapes getting out...
>but give me a break...she's a famous musician....what the hell
>does she expect?

she probably doesn't expect that the shop that promotes themselves as
friends of the atlanta music scene would sell *pirated*  copies (not live
bootlegs) of early recordings of ig.  and she has every reason to ask them
to stop, right?  what's the big deal?  i'm more dismayed at rdr for telling
us that ig knew and didn't care.  and i'm thrilled to hear that amy's cool
with bootlegged shows, as long as there's no profit involved.

>...and she makes enough of her own money.

what does that have to do with it?  would it be cool then if i start giving
away tapes of ig cds?  as long as someone lives comfortably, feel free to
rip off their work?  that statement just makes me irate because ig have
done more than anyone i can think of to keep prices down for their fans,
even doing a lot of *free* shows!

>we are good fans....we want to get as much of her and em's stuff
>as we can.  we don't buy these things to help make money for rdr.

but rdr sells them to make money, and they make a lot of it on ig.

>i think rdr is great to offer them for fans.  i would've never been able
>to hear some of that stuff had it not been for them.  i know tapes are
>out there, but sometimes you just don't find out about them.

it's not hard, the people on this list are very generous.  i know i had all
of that stuff already.

>if amy
>is so concerned about it, why not make the stuff available legally
>to her fans, since she damn well knows we would love it, especially
>as an offering from ig rather than by bootleg.

maybe because she'd rather put time into recording better, new material for
you to listen to?  maybe because epic doesn't think it will sell except in
a box set, and it's not time for one yet?  and please don't discount 1200
curfews -- that cd was bound to lose money, but it is *such* a labor of
love, such an amazing work.

>p.s.  if rdr didn't have any ig, they'd still be cool!

well, you're entitled to your opinion, but i've been there a few times ("i
was knocking on the door"!) with a bundle of money in my pocket expecting
to spend big bucks... each time i got good conversation (they really are
nice folks, great service), but i didn't find anything i wanted.

=-=-=

at 03:57 pm 5/12/97 -0400, chickensoprano wrote:
>now, it may be that's because rop was my first ig album.  y'know, the
>one i fell in love with two years ago.  the homey guitar sound and
>the beautiful harmonies grabbed a hold of me and wouldn't let go.

rop is still my favorite ig album, even though i've been a fan since the
eponymous album.

>and i wonder where they went when the girls made sots.
>
>don't get me wrong, i love the new songs and i think it's wonderful
>that they are branching out into different areas.  they have grown
>musically and are trying out different stuff, which i'm enjoying as
>much as the next ig fan.  but at the same time, i find myself
>yearning for the sweetness of before.

i can't say that, though... i like rop better, but i think sots is a
terrific piece of work.  they haven't disappointed me yet, and i'm not easy
to please. :)

=-=-=

at 11:15 pm 5/15/97 -0400, barb & twink wrote:
>  one pretty cool site i found was called "181.4 degrees from the
>norm"!   website:   http://www.181-4.com/dftn/

it's been linked to the e-zines section of my music page for over a year
now, where ya been? :)  i have several others listed there, if anyone's
interested.

=-=-=

at 05:47 pm 5/15/97 -0400, mmedido@aol.com wrote:
>i would dissagree that if someone defines something in their
>own personal way that this is perverting it ..
>as an artist and an art lover,i find that notion insulting.

i think i would apply that notion to art, but *not* to personal letters.

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in a message dated 97-05-16 06:26:40 edt, mmedido@aol.com writes:

<< yeah.

and weren't there also a lot of references to 'fire' in her poems ?
  >>

hee hee . . . actually, this is a *real* theory, believe it or not.  if you'd
like to read a thought provoking argument go to www.sappho.com, one of the
many sites i discovered while writing a research paper on the ancient
poetess.  =)

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hey y'all....

well, the girls sounded very happy and energetic on the world cafe.  i don't
know how many of you out there got to/will be able to hear it, so here's a
quick synopsis of what they said and played (i'm paraphrasing big time on
what they said, but i don't have time to transcribe it word for word :)

set list (i think complete)
1.  it's allright.   sounded great.  um, well, okay, all the songs sounded
great. that's a given.  i almost like it better acoustically, i think.
amy's background vocals really come out without all the instrumentation.
david dye (the host of wc) asked after about this song being more "out" than
ever before, with them actually saying "gay".  emily was cute, and said
something like "are we gay?" :) and then she said that she was trying to
explore ways in which people hate and discriminate against others, and that
instead of using imagery to communicate this, she thought she'd just say it
directly.  works well, don't you think? :)

2.  hey kind friend.  as i said before, this rocked (albeit in a quiet way
;).  i love this song, bare, and stripped down, just them (no freaky guy
voices scaring you every time you hear it...)  amy mentioned afterwards that
it was about going on tour with another bad, which most of us knew, i think,
and she joked that she enjoyed other people's tours more than hers.

3.  get out the map.  david was talking about traveling imagery and
geographic places all over this album, and emily said that this song was
(obviously) about herself traveling and people she knew leaving, and her
desire to just hit the road sometimes, travel, see new places, get away from
things.  david said something about the imagery being sort of the same as
the beginning of power of two, and emily was mock (i think) hurt and said
something like "yeah, i just use the _same_ imagery again and again...) amy
stood up for him though and said that she didn't think he ment it like that,
to which he readily agreed....

4. scooter boys.  wow.  again i say wow.  it's hard to believe how hard this
rocked in an acoustic setting.  wow.  this was seriously rocking.  the
rhythm guitar, which i assume amy was playing, was just out of control.  but
in a good way.  wow.  :)  i don't know if this had been posted previously
from any other interviews (i'm like 1,000 messages behind on my list mail :)
but amy said that "scooter boys" symbolized to her england, that in her mind
the image of scooter boys epitomized england, and that she was using this
english image to talk about imperialism and the nations that colonized
others, while on the other side of things was argentina, which was
colonized.  so basically, this is about colonialism, what it does to people
(especially the colonized) and she said it was also about putting her own
life in perspective to all of the other issues in the world, how travelling
around and seeing the state of different oppressed peoples (such as in
chiapas) has really put her own problems into perspectives, how she has come
from a privaleged background.  (in defense of scooter boys, she said her
many of her friends are scooter people :)

5.  shame on you.  pure fun :)  amy said she has friends who own a window
washing company, and were washing her windows one day.  then she talked
about how she lives close to an area where there is a large concentration of
hispanic people, and how the white folks in the area try to pretend that
they're not there, but that she was biking through the area one day and that
it was a really rockin' place, with singing and dancing everywhere.  then
she talked about factories in the area that set up road blocks basically to
hassel and harrass people in their search for immigrants.  then they played
the song, and afterward she said something like she realized that she just
said all of the lyrics before the song and that she should have just played
it :)

the next two songs were galileo and closer to fine, and the audience (it was
recorded somewhere other than the normal studios, and there was a large and
appreciateive audience) sang along.  well, that's it, like i said, sorry if
any of this was repetative or whatever.  maybe someone out there got the
whole thing on tape?  i missed the first song and a half.  oh well.

best quote of the interview:  "we are so wacky today!" -emily

everyone have a wacky, indigo day!
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whoopeee! i'm going to see shawn colvin live on the 27th june in london.
(hurrah!) sorry guys, i just thought i'd share that with you.
are any uk listees going to this gig perhaps? i know there are a few
fellow uk members who like shawn's stuff.

ttfn


andrew

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     i had the *best* indigo moment today!!  i was sitting in american
history when my teacher decided to have us play "current events" because he
was tired of teaching.  we sat on top of our desks and divided the room in
half, and my teacher got his book of current event questions from some
educational company.  are team was losing really bad until we got to the
bonus round.  our question:

    what is the name of the folk-rock duo made up of amy ray and emily
sailiers??
       (except my teacher pronounced it "sailors", it was cute!)

i almost fell off my desk!!!!  of course i'm screaming at the top of my
lungs..indigo girls, indigo girls!!!!  and people in my class had the nerve
to ask me..."how'd you know that?"  due to my excitement, i chose to ignore
those comments.  needless to say, my side of the room won, so we've all got 5
extra credit points on the next test.  you never know when the ig can come in
handy!!  take care everyone!

*believe in yourself*
nicole
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be aware that anne frank fully intended for her diary to be published
after the war.  as i recall, she heard a dutch radio broadcast which
mentioned the concept of collecting diaries and stories from people
once the war was over, and began to actually _rewrite_ her earlier
entries.
she was also a very prolific author, with quite a few short stories
which survived the annex.


http://www.annefrank.com/

is an excellent source of info on this wonderful example of humanity...


> maybe this is emily's sort of apology to invading her
> private life by reading the poems "i am sorry that i set my sight on
> the things i read" and now the "greedy generations on down" are making
> money from her iner-most feelings.
> the chorus with the soldiers are coming etc. reminds me of anne
> frank's diary in a way.
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in a message dated 97-05-16 14:45:03 edt, you write:

<< at 05:47 pm 5/15/97 -0400, mmedido@aol.com wrote:
>i would disagree that if someone defines something in their
>own personal way that this is perverting it ..
>as an artist and an art lover,i find that notion insulting.>>

to which deb commented ;
<< i think i would apply that notion to art, but *not* to personal letters.
>>

true, but the line between art and the personal is not that clear to me.
the trouble i have is that if one takes the seniment expressed in the
begining of batl to heart, then the dairies of anne frank, virginia woolfe
and the poems of emily dickenson should never heve been published
since they were never intended for publication by their authors.

i have a real hard time with that, not just because i feel those
works were great gifts to our culture. i am also interested in history as
a way to connect with the human family by learning who we were
and who we are.i have noticed that old letters tend to reveal more
about the past than 'official documents'.
i guess since i connect art with all of this too, because i see art as
our way of creating a reflection of who we are. in a way, i think our
mere existence can be defined as art.

perhaps the instatiable curiosity of people today is a reflection of the
way we have become so compartmentalized with the entrenchment of
'individualism' at the center of modern culture, in effect a yearning
for the closer comunity ties of our past ?

so there you go:)
:)
claire

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hi andrew,


you are not the only one to see her live ...


i will fly over to london this day from germany.

fortunately, i=b4ve already seen shawn (with band) in germany and it was re=
ally amazing.


... i=b4m looking forward to this acoustic show ...

bye,

klaus (from germany)

0ww o) an

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subject:      (nigc) calling all diana obrays!

diana obray from ut.....i got a tape from you in the mail today and gosh
darn it, can't remember what the heck i was s'possed to tape for ya!

lemme know soon!

-liz-

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how do y'all....

i've got a pair of tickets to the britt pavilion show on july 7th that i need to rid myself of (pj and i were a little too prepared and over-bought).  anyone interested?

here's info:

the pavilion is in jacksonville, oregon, which i understand is somewhere next to the california border (yes? no?). the concert starts at seven and it's general admission, so get there early if you want good seats.  you're more than welcome to show up at 4am and hang out with pj and i all day if you like...:)
i'm selling the tickets at cost of course, which is $23 plus tax.

sooo..let me know if any of y'all are interested.  first response gets em.

hmmmm...i'm also in the process of setting up a tree (compliments of catherine) for the eugene radio spot that the girls did in april.  branches anyone?

take care kids.
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><< at 05:47 pm 5/15/97 -0400, mmedido@aol.com wrote:
> >i would disagree that if someone defines something in their
> >own personal way that this is perverting it ..
> >as an artist and an art lover,i find that notion insulting.>>
>
>to which deb commented ;
><< i think i would apply that notion to art, but *not* to personal letters.

and claire responded:
>true, but the line between art and the personal is not that clear to me.
>the trouble i have is that if one takes the seniment expressed in the
>begining of batl to heart, then the dairies of anne frank, virginia woolfe
>and the poems of emily dickenson should never heve been published
>since they were never intended for publication by their authors.

i think i remember reading somewhere that anne frank had started to
rewrite parts of her diaries while living in the secret annex, with the
intent to publish them (or much of them) after the war.  can anyone
corroborate this?  there's some discussion of the process in _anne frank
remembered_ by miep gies (an *excellent* book i highly recommend; the
author is one of the people who helped the frank family hide, and it tells
a lot about what happened afterwards) and she talks about trying to
convince otto frank to publish it, and put it on stage, and how certain
parts weren't included until after he died.

i'm still torn myself on these questions.....as a reader i hold fast to
the sentiments of "virginia woolf" but as a writer "burn all the letters"
speaks to me more.  i bare my soul enough in fiction, in some ways even more
so in essays and ramblings and journals i just put out there on my web
pages.....sometimes i just want to make sure there's something left for
me.  to not feel all empty, like everything that's ever inside me is just
visiting and really belongs to the rest of the world.  i don't know.  it
seems counterproductive to talk about it, i don't really even know why i
am.  i have a question though....i'm pretty sure there are parts of
anne's diary which never got published......is that also true about
virginia woolf's or about emily dickinson's poetry???

....audrey -->a weekend away from graduation

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subject:      re: san diego 7/1 tickets

i don't know about the girls selling out two or three nights in a row in l.a.
:-/  the
july 2nd show in l.a. still has not sold out as of today, which actually
surprises me. i dont' know if they will even add the july 3rd show at this
point.  and as far as berkeley those tickets supposedly dont' go on sale
until june 1st.  i was counting on going to two l.a. shows and two berkeley
shows.  now it looks like i will have to settle for seeing them only twice
during this tour.

also, i'm glad sots is selling so well, but for the life of me i can't find
the soy single anywhere.  i think i posted about this once before.  its a
good thing that i ordered the single online.  but how is the cd single
supposed to sell if no one carries it??  i love it though, they play soy at
least twice a day on the radio, sometimes with a station id recorded for
alice (97.3) when they visited the bay area.  there is also a wherehouse
radio commercial saying you can get the cd for $12.99, in the background they
play soy.  i have never in my life heard a record store commercial for the
girls it is way cool!!
have an indigo day.....

rose

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hey so on the world cafe tape, amy says dolittle is a pixies album.  and
emily thought it was like, do nothing all day lol.  amy's talking about
playing the album all day, the way i heard it.

ah yes, i *must* delineate alll the allusions.  all of them, i say!


visit mediamongr's mind hop:
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subject:      (nigc) shawn c chords?!

does anyone have any chords for any new songs? ("a few small repairs")
sorry to waste bw over something not even indigo-related, but i've looked
forever since the cd came out, and haven't found anything.  thanks ya'll!

-liz-

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date:         fri, 16 may 1997 18:54:53 -0400
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here's the deal.....

for once the timer on my stereo worked and i got all of ig on world cafe
today.  there's a bit at the beginning, including a version of the verve
pipe's "the freshman" and part of a jane siberry song at the end that
emily said they should play.  (unfortunately the tape cut off before the
end of the song)

on the other side of that 100 minute tape i've got the y100 sonic
session.  both are excellent recordings of excellent performances.  (yay
philly radio!)

if y'all are interested i can tree this.  i'll have time next week....all
i need are some branches, preferably of the maple and oak variety ;)

while this is on a 100 minute tape, i am pretty sure it can fit on a 90
minute tape, with a little space for some other stuff (i'm still deciding
what).  i don't mind fixing it up that way, but i'll do it *once*, not
twelve times.....meaning the tree would start off cleaner but a generation
higher.  can i get some feedback?  i could offer two varieties if there's
demand, but i really don't know what you all value more.

later y'all,
audrey

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audrey beth stein wrote:
>
> ><< at 05:47 pm 5/15/97 -0400, mmedido@aol.com wrote:
> > >i would disagree that if someone defines something in their
> > >own personal way that this is perverting it ..
> > >as an artist and an art lover,i find that notion insulting.>>

> i think i remember reading somewhere that anne frank had started to
> rewrite parts of her diaries while living in the secret annex, with the
> intent to publish them (or much of them) after the war.

yep, i can.  i'm a teacher who's taught the diary and taken classes on
it.  there are three versions of the diary -- all three are now
available in one edition.  there's the original diary; anne's edited,
re-written version (yes, she did intend to publish it -- she even
mentions that in the diary); and the version most of us probably first
read -- the one her father edited.  the three-in-one volume was first
published in 1990 or 1991 -- can't remember which.

emily dickinson only had four poems published in her lifetime, and she
wasn't particularly thrilled about it, to be honest.  the family held up
publication of the "sue" letters until fairly recently.  (sue was her
sister-in-law, and the speculation is that she was in love with sue.)

just a teacher's several cents worth.  :)

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lisa m. schreihart wrote:
>
> about rdr no longer selling ig boots:
>
> i know perry said this to me in an e-mail, but that was in response
> to my question about whether there'd be more early recordings
> volumes, and it was quite a while ago.  i figured he'd at least
> sell the boots he had left of vol. 1
> and 2 as well as the in with the out crowd cd.  i guess i was
> wrong in my thoughts though.   and, yep, i've been off the list
> for school and i missed all these happenings.  it's unfortunate,
> but i still post if i hear a good cd that y'all will like.  my post was
> about new mongrels mostly, and what i said about rdr being
> great still holds true.  i think they've been great sports
> through all of this.
>
> i think rdr has probably done a lot to help ig fans get to know
> their music better.  i'm sure the boots haven't hurt anything.
> anyway, i'm a little miffed at this.
> i can see why amy doesn't like her personal tapes getting out...
> but give me a break...she's a famous musician....what the hell
> does she expect?...and she makes enough of her own money.
> we are good fans....we want to get as much of her and em's stuff
> as we can.  we don't buy these things to help make money for rdr.
> i think rdr is great to offer them for fans.  i would've never been able
> to hear some of that stuff had it not been for them.  i know tapes are
> out there, but sometimes you just don't find out about them.  if amy
> is so concerned about it, why not make the stuff available legally
> to her fans, since she damn well knows we would love it, especially
> as an offering from ig rather than by bootleg.  this is all just a result
>
> of our fanship.  if no one wanted it, rdr wouldn't offer it.  i still
> think
> rdr is great, and i am very very happy that i got those early recordings
> cds before they stopped selling them.  and i would never apologize for
> buying them....even to amy. i've become more enlightened about ig's
> growth and history, so i am more enthusiatic now about seeing them
> evolve more.  the boots have only helped me.
>
> does anyone know what emily thinks about this?
>
> lisa
> lschreihart@juno.com
>
> p.s.  if rdr didn't have any ig, they'd still be cool!
>
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  well, lisa, i see where you're coming from.  and i think it did
surprise most of us that amy was so bothered by the rdr thing... i was
surprised to hear she was upset by it!

  i know it's hard for us, the fans who want to get our hands on any &
everything indigo in the world, to understand... especially having the
"hey it's no problem" attitude that she does about fans bootlegging her
shows.  (pause now, as i shudder to think of how empty i would feel
without the tons of indigo boots i've obtained over the years! whew!)  i
agree with you, that rdr is still cool, despite this whole ordeal and
that they'd still be cool w/out ig stuff on their shelves.

  hard to believe this whole thing could've been avoided as amy,
herself, put if "if they'd have asked me.".  guess that's what it really
comes down to, amy was really bothered that they did it without okaying
it with her first.  i guess what she really wanted was that courtesy of
being able to say "yeah, that's cool", or "no, i'd rather you didn't do
that.".

  maybe amy's a bit harder to understand than we think!  well, i don't
really blame amy or rdr for any of this... i wish, as someone posted
earlier... everyone could just "get along"!  we'd all be much happier
about it!  i, for one, will continue to look to rdr for music... but
i'll be an indigo fan for life too!

  good question lisa... i wonder if emily has an opinion on all this?
(if an answer to that has been posted, i apologize, i just got off work
& am going thru each of your posts one-by-one!)

  well, back to reading from the list!  y'all have a great weekend!
i'm getting braver, you see, perhaps i'll start posting to the whole
list more!

  later on,

    twink!

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i need someone who can either meet me somewhere between hartford and maine,
or maybe just someone who can either give directionss or possibly pick me
up in hartford (bus or train terminal, i am not sure yet) and bring me to
the meadows, and maybe bring me to some place where i can stay (hotel,
couch, ect..) before coming home the next day...

i know one like myself should iron these details before buying tixs, but
when you have great seats (and cannot wait to hear cara mia again live) it
takes on a certain urgency...

any , i mean any help appreciated, noone has replied last time, i know
there are some wonderful people (and some badass new englanders, who will
always rock my world!) out there, so just let me know


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subject:      insane jealousy raging!

okay, i should be all good sportsmanship-like about not winning the
lyrics contest, but i have a strange desire to do a tonia harding type
thing.  i admit it, i am insanely jealous.  not that i thought i would
win but, it would have been really cool!  so congratulations ashley
(grumble grumble grumble mutter mutter).  okay,  i'll go back to
sitting in a corner and sulking.
leah

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in a message dated 97-05-16 19:38:35 edt, audrey wrote:

regarding anne frank and her intention to publish her diary....
<< .i'm pretty sure there are parts of
anne's diary which never got published......is that also true about
virginia woolf's or about emily dickinson's poetry??? >>

yeah, thanks to davids post i checked out the anne frank website,
where i read about how she started out with a 'little red diary'
and then rewrote it for publication. i couldn't discern whether
the original diary was ever published or not...although i kind of
remember something about it being published a few years ago.
okay...so scratch af as an example, i am confident that i could
come up with other examples (perhaps not as as cataclysmic as
anne's diary was to human consciousness.) my grandfathers diary
for example, that we had translated and donated to an oregon
historical something or other :) ( he was a norwegian sailor at the
turn o' the century)

funny thing ..that song has been stuck in my head since yesterday.
i've changed my mind, i like it.

even though i still disagree with the sentiments of the first part...
it now intrigues me.
where is the jump made from personal privacy/individualism to
overt oppression by a government in order to futher the interests
of the capitalist ruling class ? ( who by the way, are rooted in the
ideology of 'possesive individualism' which is basically this...
" the individual is essentially the proprietor of his own person and
capacities, for which he owes nothing to scociety..."
re: the 'neo-libralism' that amy ray refers to in her letter from chiapas ).

intersting stuff .... i think ;)
good song .. brings up a lot of stuff, i temorarily forgot my old axiom
of being sure to appreciate something even if it causes discomfort.
but as far as railing about "the public eye" perverting some thing
i think that is simply a futile cause.

no man is an island ! :)
claire

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hey pj,
thanks ever so much!!!
got the tapes in the mailtoday
only listened to one of them, but was highly impressed
i owe you a million kisses on your toes!
thanks, love..
and have fun in atlanta!
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subject:      re: insane jealousy raging!

hehehehe...i know just how you feel! i wanted to win so bad! i knew i wasn't
going to and everything, but just the idea was like the coolest thing in the
world to me! i wonder if they are gonna have the same contest next year. i
hope so! it was fun to enter and stuff even though i didn't win! heheh.... i
was like having all these great vissions of the girls playing my school. hey,
guess what?!? they are playing that girl's school on my birthday. i wonder if
i had one if it would have been the same date!! that would have been a great
birthday present!!! hehehe... but i am getting a really cool guitar so i'm
excited anyway! love, mary

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subject:      ig on world cafe in nyc tonight!!!!

to everyone in the new york area--

     i just turned on the radio tuned to 90.7 fm (wfuv) from a previous
listening, just as a song ended, and the announcer came on and said "in the
next hour on the world cafe the indigo girls will be our guests...".  that
was about 9:15 so, they probably meant 10:00 they'd come on.  hope you all
get this in time!!!

~liz

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on fri, 16 may 1997, gwendigo wrote:
>
> first, this sounds strikingly like a description of elizabeth barrett
> browning, but i am not a lit major either.

we just read her sonnets from the portuguese (that's her love poems for
robert browning!) and aurora leigh. however i believe they were published
when both browings were still around. according to my the norton
anthology of literature emily dickinson was a big fan of elizabeth, or so
it seems.

han

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subject:      burn all the letters (i knew you all wanted to hear _my_
              ideas...) :)

when napoleon chased the russian army to moscow, they defeated him by burning
their own fields behind them.  many russians starved, but so did the french
army.

i think that this song is about the strength of the oppressed.  the old women
of the village (this is how i picture it) don't burn the letters cheerfully;
they don't happily destroy the memories and life experience contained in the
notes of children, husbands, anscestors.  it breaks their hearts.  but they do
it, just to thwart the enemy.  and doing so is a proud action, despite its
sadness, because it shows that they are stronger than the oppressor, who has
more money and big guns, but a weak heart.  that's why i think the wailing is
so good here--it really embodies that strange mixture of pride and grief, or
even pride _in_ grief, found in some indigenous cultures.

so those're my thoughts on the song; i guess i don't see a public/private art
debate, tho as an english major i tire of the idea that "the book is made anew
with each reader."  dangit, if i ever write a book, i want the reader to at
least _try_ to puzzle out my meaning, instead of making their own willy-nilly.
let 'em write their own book, then.  :)

           rambling on into the void, chris

ps- don't suppose anyone has found a boot of tmf with _cortez the killer_ in
the middle of it, from their 1994 tour?  *sigh*  didn't think so.... :)

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"tomarrow, saturday, may 17 at 10:00 a.m. ticketmaster will be releasing
additional tickets for each of the 3 shows in atlanta at chastain park.
they will be on sale at all outlets or ordering by phone."

i can't promise this is accurate, i just pulled it off the newsgroup.

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> the trouble i have is that if one takes the seniment expressed in the
> begining of batl to heart, then the dairies of anne frank, virginia woo=
> lfe
> and the poems of emily dickenson should never heve been published

just to add to what other people said about anne frank, virginia woolf
also intended to have her diaries published.  she talks about spending her
latter years revising them for publication (guess there was a change of
plan), and in places she reminds herself to write the details of some
party or event so that she has something of interest for when they're
published.

maybe emily will say one day whose published letters she was reading.  i
can kind of imagine that, having read diaries like virginia woolf's and
really connecting with it, she thought she'd really enjoy a book of
letters and then found herself feeling really strange about what she was
reading.

then again, maybe it's a pixie's album.

a dog, a plan, a canal -  pagoda!     alisont@netcom.com - alison

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when are we going to admit that we don't have a clue what the situation
is, we can't guess, and we shouldn't be taking sides?

i'm going to post something that was on usenet.  not that i believe it or
disbelieve it, but just to make the point - no matter what we read, we
don't know.  and since it's not even that interesting or important, why
don't we just stop speculating?

>   hard to believe this whole thing could've been avoided as amy,
> herself, put if "if they'd have asked me.".  guess that's what it reall=
> y
> comes down to, amy was really bothered that they did it without okaying
> it with her first.  i guess what she really wanted was that courtesy of
> being able to say "yeah, that's cool", or "no, i'd rather you didn't do
> that.".

subject: amy and rdr - the word from perry
date: fri, 16 may 1997 09:36:09 gmt

interest in this thread seems to be winding down, but i figured folks
might be interested in hearing the other side of the story since perry
doesn't have the luxury of being interviewed for a print mag.
i spoke at length with him last night, and the story is this.  a few
years back, when the first ig boot was getting ready to come out, amy
and cooper seay came into the store and perry pulled amy aside to ask
her about her position on bootlegs.  if she objected to them, he said,
he wouldn't carry them.  rdr has always done a great business in the
official stuff (and, btw, sells more daemon music than *any* store in
america) and didn't *need* the income from the boots.  amy not only
didn't object, but said that she knew that perry would do the right
thing with the income, i.e. put it back into the community.  before
she left, he told her that if she ever saw anything on rdr shelves to
which she objected, to come to him and they would be gone immediately,
with apologies.  amy agreed, and perry proceeded under that
understanding.
fast forward.  a couple of weeks ago, russell carter called perry and
was quite rude in his demand that rainy day quit "manufacturing"
bootlegs.  perry explained to him that he didn't have the resources to
make boots, and carter demanded to know, then, where perry had gotten
them.  folks, amy had been in the store just the previous day.
anyway, perry refused to "name sources"  which evidently pissed her
off more, even though she couldn't be troubled to talk to perry
herself, and then the s&s interview came out.
all in all, pretty disappointing if you ask me.  perry's confused and
mad.  as to amy "withdrawing her support" from the store, perry says
he never knew he had it in the first place.  can't lose friends you
never had.  i've been an igs fan for eight years, but i can't see
supporting musicians who get fat record deals then beat up on little
record stores trying to put dinner on the table.  musicians, moreover,
whose moral stands (posturings?) used to make me hope they were about
more than greed.
anyhow, i'm shutting up on the topic for now.  if you need more info,
rdrs website is at http://rainy.com - perry said he wanted a chance to
clear the air, so e-mail is welcome.
john

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faq that you have saved.  if you haven't
already done so, we do advise taking the time
to at least skim through the faq, and we also
recommend saving a copy of it somewhere.

the latest update of the indigo girls faq isn't
quite ready yet but hopefully we'll be ready
to release it in two weeks or so.

well, i guess that's all for now.  happy happy
and take care all,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=- sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au -=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"there's more than one answer to these questions
  pointing me in a crooked line.
  and the less i seek my source for some definitive
  the closer i am to fine, yeah..."   - emily saliers

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welcome to the indigo girls mailing list!

please read and save this message which contains the indigo girls
mailing list faq.  we also recommend that you download the indigo
girls faq (see below for instructions) which contains information on
anything and everything about the indigo girls.

the list is a strange and wonderful place.  we do have a few words of
advice for new members:
    - it's often a good idea to wait a few days to get a "feel" for
        the list before posting for the first time.  this will also
        give you a chance to get up to date with the current topics
        of discussion.
    - read the posting guidelines and the faq files which have been
        set up to help you find your feet more quickly.
    - remember that some of the people on the list have been here for
        years and that discussions that seem new to you may have been
        hashed out many times before.  experience in reading the list
        and posting on certain issues will help you determine these
        sorts of things more easily.
    - most importantly - have fun!


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indigo girls mailing list: frequently asked questions
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version 1.4
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last modified: 13 may 1997.

copyright 1997 jcsdoubled.  all rights reserved.

please retain this copyright when reproducing any part of this faq.
this document may not be distributed for financial gain.

table of contents
=================
1. what's new in this faq
2. questions about the indigo girls mailing list
3. questions about listserv commands
4. the posting guidelines
5. questions about indigo girls
6. miscellaneous questions
7. acknowledgements


1. what's new in this faq
=========================
may 13 1997 - updated section 5 to include more up-to-date
    information regarding the new album and upcoming tours


2. questions about the indigo girls mailing list
================================================

2.1. what is the indigo girls mailing list?

the indigo girls mailing list is a fan forum devoted to discussion of
the music of the indigo girls and related artists.  all are welcome,
and we strive to maintain a friendly, flame-free atmosphere.
currently the list membership stands at roughly 850 members from all
walks of life and from all around the world.

the list is maintained by jude shabry.  if you have any
administrative problems or queries about the list, direct your mail
to jude at jude@netspace.org.


2.2. do amy and emily know about the list, and how do they feel about
        it?

amy and emily do know about the mailing list; indications are that
they have mixed feelings about it.  when asked in a 1994 interview
how she felt about the list amy said, "well, there are positive parts
about that.  a lot of that internet stuff has helped a lot of
musicians that i know as far as publishing tour schedules.  the only
negative ramification i see is when people start talking about your
personal life... i appreciate the support it gives us, but... well,
it is not necessary to try and guess where somebody lives.  or guess
where you saw somebody the other night... but the support of the
music itself, i think that is a brilliant idea.  to support musicians
through the whole computer system i think is great."


2.3. what is the difference between the "bounce" and "digest" forms
        of the list?

"digest" means the list server will compile all messages sent to the
list and send them to you as one long message, either every 24 hours
or when a certain size quota is reached, whichever happens first.
"bounce" means that messages will be individually "bounced" out to
you as soon as the list server receives them.  see below for
instructions on how to switch between the bounce or digest versions
of the list.


3. questions about listserv commands
====================================

3.1. how do i get on the list?

send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put (replacing "<your name>" with your
real name):
    subscribe indigo-girls <your name>


3.2. how do i post to the list?

direct your email to:
    indigo-girls@netspace.org

the list server will then send a copy of your message to every person
who is an active member of the mailing list.  before you send your
message, think about whether it conforms to the posting guidelines
outlined elsewhere in this document.


3.3. how do i get off the list?

send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    signoff indigo-girls


3.4. how do i switch from bounce to digest, or vice versa?

to switch from the bounce form of the list to the digest version,
send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    set indigo-girls mail digest

to switch from the digest form of the list to the bounce version,
send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    set indigo-girls mail nodigest


3.5. i'm going on vacation, can i put my subscription "on hold"?

to temporarily stop receiving messages from the list while still
subscribed, send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    set indigo-girls nomail

note that if you're going away for a long time or leaving permanently
you should unsubscribe using the "signoff" command.


3.6. i'm back from vacation, how do i make my subscription active
        again?

to turn off the "nomail" option, send an email message with no
subject line to:
        listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
        set indigo-girls mail


3.7. how do i find out who is on the list?

to receive a list of all current non-concealed list members, send an
email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    review indigo-girls


3.8. my listserv command didn't work, now what do i do?

note that the "signoff" and "set" commands will not work unless you
are sending your message from exactly the same address under which
you are subscribed to the list.  if you sent a command to the list
server and the server returned an error message reading "you are not
subscribed to the list", try sending the message again from the same
machine from which you originally subscribed.  ask your system
administrator or your provider's support department if in doubt.

if you sent a command to the list server and the server returned a
message that reads "unknown command", read the help file available
from the server to find out the correct command syntax.  to receive
the help file, send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    help

if you have read the help file, re-tried the command, and still
received an error message, contact the list owner, jude shabry, at
jude@netspace.org.  let jude know what problems you are having and
she will help you out.


4. the posting guidelines
=========================

4.1. why do we need posting guidelines at all?

the posting guidelines are intended to help keep the list "on track".
always remember that the purpose of the list is to provide a forum
in which fans can discuss the music of the indigo girls.  many people
on the list have neither the time nor inclination to read non-indigo
girls-related messages.  please be considerate and keep the posting
guidelines in mind when posting to the list.


4.2. what are the posting guidelines?

the guidelines for posting on the indigo girls mailing list are as
follows:

1) read the indigo girls faq before posting questions to the list
(see below for instructions on obtaining the faq.)

2) check your message headers
mail intended for the whole list should be addressed to
"indigo-girls@netspace.org".  private responses to public messages
should be sent directly to the person to whom you wish to reply.

make sure that the subject line is relevant to the content of your
message.  adding "nigc" to the subject if your message is not indigo
girls related is also a good idea (more about this below).

3) delete all irrelevant text from quoted replies
delete any irrelevant sections of any quoted material before sending
your message to the list.  this includes other peoples' signatures,
any text that does not pertain to the topic, and any message headers.

4) read through all your mail before you reply
read through all your mail before you jump in with a reply to a
question that's been asked, in case the answer has already been
posted.  also, if you want to reply to several different messages it
is often a good idea to consolidate your replies into one long
message rather than sending several short messages.

5) use private email where appropriate
remember that the purpose of the list is to discuss the music of the
indigo girls, so if your message is private or is not indigo girls
related, it may not always be appropriate to send it to the entire
list.

this does not mean that off-topic discussion is not welcome on the
list.  on the contrary, sometimes off-topic subjects are interesting
and even relevant (for example, discussing a local band or looking
for bootlegs of certain shows).  however, please try to limit
discussion to subjects that have at least some relevance to the music
of indigo girls.

6) mark non-indigo girls-related messages "nigc"
if you are sending a message to the list that is not directly indigo
girls related, you should mark the header "nigc", eg. "looking for ed
smith (nigc)".  this indicates that your message has no indigo girls
content.  again, try to limit the discussion to subjects that have at
least some relevance to the music of indigo girls.  for example, nigc
does not mean "well, there's no ig discussion, so let's talk about
movies/hair styles/candy bars!"

7) do not post gossip about amy and emily
we respect amy and emily and their right to privacy.  therefore,
please do not post any sort of gossip about their private lives to
the list.  note that this includes reports of "sightings", such as
"i saw amy at the supermarket last night!"

8) keep your signature short
keep your signature short (anything up to four or six lines is
considered short), or, if it's long and you don't want to change it,
turn it off when posting to the list.

9) think before you flame, and if you must flame, use private email
if you must flame, do so via private email.  if you send a flame to
the entire list you run the risk of being flamed by many other people
in retaliation.  remember too that if you send a flame, it reflects
not only on the person that you are flaming, but also on yourself.

10) avoid "me too!" posts
messages which are nothing more than an entire quoted message
followed by "me too!" waste bandwidth and contribute nothing to the
development of a conversation.  if you feel that you must send this
sort of post, you should either send it via private email or else
make sure that your message has other content as well.

11) avoid hoax emails, cross-posts, chain letters, etc
there are a few hoax emails that are constantly being forwarded
around the internet.  obviously, if you are sent one of these, do not
forward it to the mailing list.  some of the most common hoaxes are:
    - warnings about viruses called "pkzip.300", "penpal greetings"
        and "good times"
    - a request for "get well" cards for a young boy with leukemia
    - a message purportedly containing a recipe from mrs field's
        cookies
    - various "get rich quick" and "make money fast" schemes

also, please refrain from forwarding cross-posts (messages which are
sent to many unrelated forums at once), chain letters, humor stories
or large files to the list.  if you would like to share this sort of
message with the list, first post a short note describing the content
of the message and offering to forward it to anyone who is
interested.  if enough people express interest you may want to then
forward the message to the list.  however, please do not
indiscriminately forward these sorts of files to the list.

12) how to deal with spam
"spam" is the common term for junk emails (usually advertising)
which are sent to large sections of the internet at a time.  these
posts are annoying but unfortunately hard to avoid.  if you receive
a spam email from the list, you should either ignore it or send your
reply directly to the original poster.  do not post complaints or
flames to the list.  while it is almost guaranteed that everyone on
the list is as annoyed as you are, the resultant spate of flame
emails is often more annoying than the original spam itself.

13) how to conduct surveys over the list
if you want to conduct any kind of survey over the list, you should
present your idea to the list and ask people to send their responses
to you via private email.  you can then compile the data and post
the results to the list at a later date.  this keeps the volume of
email on the list down.

14) what to do if you think the list is dead
the list server dies from time to time and is always restarted as
soon as the problem is discovered.  if you're not sure whether the
server is still running you should refrain from posting until you
receive proof that the server is up.  sending "is the list running?"
messages is pointless if the list is not running and a waste of
bandwidth if it is.  if you want to confirm whether or not other
people have been receiving list mail, privately mail someone from the
list and ask them instead.

if you haven't been receiving list mail, another possibility is that
you have been dropped from the subscription list (this also happens
from time to time).  use the "review" command to see who is
subscribed to the list (see above for instructions on using this
command).  if your name is not on the subscription list you will
need to resubscribe to the mailing list.


5. questions about indigo girls
===============================

5.1. is there a faq file about the indigo girls?  how do i get it?

the indigo girls faq has been made as comprehensive as possible;
many questions have been answered there that have not been addressed
in this document.  it is highly recommended that anyone with
questions about amy, emily or their music read the faq.

the faq is available:
    - on the www at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
    - via anonymous ftp from space.mit.edu, in directory pub/cmb/ig

if you cannot retrieve the faq by either of the above methods, it is
also available by email from sherlyn koo (sherlyn@fl.net.au).


5.2. what are indigo girls currently up to?

[may 13, 1997]
the new album "shaming of the sun" was released on april 29 and
debuted at #7 on the billboard album chart, selling 78,000 units via
soundscan in its first week of release!  the first single, amy's
"shame on you", has not yet been commercially released but is already
receiving airplay on many us radio stations.

amy and emily are currently preparing to begin the first leg of the
"shaming of the sun" support tour.  the tour begins in knoxville,
tennessee, on may 22 and ends in mid-july, and will see amy, emily
and band playing many outdoor venues in the us.  amy and emily will
then join the lilith fair tour during the first weeks of august.
later this year there will be a tour aimed specifically at high
school students and an honor the earth benefit tour.  it is also
likely that indigo girls will be touring both australasia and europe
at some point.

for upcoming concert dates, check the shaming of the sun tour
archive (http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html), the epic
indigo girls site (http://www.indigogirls.com) or pollstar concert
listings (http://www.pollstar.com).  further information on lilith
fair can be found at http://www.lilithfair.com.  concert dates will
also be posted to the indigo girls mailing list on a regular basis.


6. miscellaneous questions
==========================

- what are all these acronyms?

some song titles, album titles, and phrases crop up so many times in
conversation that they are often abbreviated or turned into acronyms.

some of the more common acronyms include: igc (indigo girls content),
nigc (no indigo girls content), a&e (amy and emily), sf ("strange
fire"), nis ("nomads*indians*saints"), rop ("rites of passage"), so
("swamp ophelia"), sots ("shaming of the sun"), latul ("live at the
uptown lounge"), ws ("watershed"), ctf ("closer to fine"), tmf
("touch me fall"), jcs ("jesus christ superstar"), soc (stream of
consciousness), rdr (rainy day records), and hte (honor the earth).

other acronyms which are commonly used on the internet include: irc
(internet relay chat), btw (by the way), imho (in my humble
opinion), fwiw (for what it's worth), lol (laughing out loud), otoh
(on the other hand), and rotfl (rolling on the floor laughing).

there are, of course, many more.  if you are having trouble figuring
out what an acronym stands for, remember that it will usually be a
song title or a reference to some subject that has been under
discussion on the list recently.


- is there any sort of list merchandise available?  can i organize to
    get some made?

every so often someone will arrange to have a batch of t-shirts,
bumper stickers, buttons etc made and sold on the list at cost.
these items are limited editions and only available under the terms
laid down by their creators (timeframe, cost etc).  currently the
"official indigo girls mailing list t-shirts" are being offered
roughly once a year.  if there are no list merchandise projects
underway when you join the list, be patient.  these projects are
often under development, so watch for announcements on the list.

if you want to organize one of these projects yourself there are
certain legalities to be aware of.  in particular, remember that the
name "indigo girls" is a registered trademark and that most pictures
of amy or emily (including album covers) and all lyrics are under
copyright.  before you go ahead with the production of any list
merchandise make absolutely certain that you are not violating any
copyrights.  you should also check that the list is in favor of your
idea.  the list address (indigo-girls@netspace.org) should not be
used as part of your design if there is widespread objection to your
proposal.  if there is dispute the matter should be referred to the
list owner.


- what are boots?  how can i get some?

a "boot", which is short for bootleg, is an unauthorized concert
recording.  boots come in two varieties - "professionally" created
bootlegs, usually released as cds which have been pressed in europe
under loopholes in copyright laws, and "homemade" tapes made by fans
who take tape recorders into concerts or obtain copies of soundboard
recordings of the show.  almost all bootlegs are created by the
second method.

the best way to get bootleg tapes is to arrange a tape trade with
someone from the list.  if you don't know anyone who has any boots
and you're interested in trading, the best thing to do is to send a
short message to the list asking if anybody is interested in trading
with you.  see below for the list policy regarding bootleg trading.


- are boots illegal?

most venues ban recording equipment, both audio and video, and may
confiscate your tape recorder if they find it.  however, whether
bootlegging is actually illegal depends more on where you are and on
what you do with the product.  one thing is for certain - it is
always illegal to make a profit from one of these recordings!


- what is the list policy regarding boots?

members of the list have asked amy and emily about the bootleg issue
and they have taken the "grateful dead" stance.  that is, they have
no problem with fans taping shows (depending, of course, upon the
venue policy), but you are on your honor not to sell the recordings.
trading is fine, and the list's policy reflects amy's and emily's
wishes.  boots are free to be traded for either another boot, a blank
tape, goods to the equivalent value, or the cost of the tape and
postage.  people selling homemade boots are not welcome on the list.
it is recommended that you don't do any business with someone
offering to sell you a boot because someone else will certainly trade
with you.  and in order to help out those new to trading, boot
traders are encouraged to take a blank tape in return for a recording
if the tradee has nothing to offer.


- what are the "must have" boots?

there are a few early bootlegs which are recommended for anyone who
is thinking of starting a bootleg collection.  these include:
    - "tuesday's children" (1981), an early "studio" tape recorded in
        amy's basement
    - "color me grey" (1982/1985), amy's solo tape, initially
        recorded in 1982, a more widely circulated version released
        in 1985
    - "blue food" (1985), an early independent release
    - "live at the purple parrot" (1986), a much-circulated audience
        recording


- what is a tape tree, and how do they work?

sometimes an exceptional boot or compilation tape will be of very
high interest to the list at large.  in order to make life easier for
the owner of the tape and to ensure that everyone who wants the tape
will receive a fairly early generation copy, the tape owner (the
trunk) will make copies for a few people (the branches), who in turn
make copies for everyone else (the leaves).  the trunk keeps the
master tape, the branches receive a 2nd generation copy, and each
leaf receives a 3rd generation copy.  this is called a tape tree.

typically trees will be announced on the list along with a list of
the names of the branches.  branches are usually divided either by
region, last name, zodiac sign, or some combination of the three.
when a tree is announced, it is good form to contact the person who
is handling your branch as soon as possible; they will let you know
what further action you need to take to obtain a copy of the boot.


7. acknowledgements
===================

this faq was created through the collaborative efforts of the
creative group known as jcsdoubled - jen lucero, christopher becker,
sherlyn koo, deb reiser and dwayne jarrell.  we rock!

comments, suggestions etc should be mailed to jcsdoubled at
igfaq@palin.mit.edu.

thank you also to our fearless listmanager jude shabry
(jude@netspace.org), to carolyn spidle for the lifeblood site, and to
all the list owners and members past and present.

and of course the biggest thanks of all go to our inspirations, amy
ray and emily saliers.

                                                          a + e = ig

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date:         sat, 17 may 1997 02:42:36 -0400
reply-to:     teddiestac@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         maria e camacho <teddiestac@aol.com>
subject:      amy/melissa

ok for all those out there who still think amy and melissa are one in the
same person i have proof they aren't.  i have professional pictures of both
of them onstage at the same mic in may of '89 at the roxy in los angeles, oh
my they were youngin's back then.  and there's no trick photography going on
here either.  put that thought right out of your head!

i have a great picture of amy down on her knees intensely playing guitar, of
course, how else does she play.  i know there are those of you who fantasize
about her down on her knees...i swear the decorum of this list.   8)

they're very cool shots and if anyone is interested in these and other tours
or backstage shots send me an email and i'll give you the scoop.

waiting calmly for the california indigo week.

maria

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date:         sat, 17 may 1997 03:39:32 -0400
reply-to:     andi <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         andi <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
subject:      batl & world cafe (long!!!)
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on the topic of batl, does anyone know why it wasn't played much in
concert?  as far as i know, it was only played at the first college tour
show (mhc, i think), which makes it the least played sots song.  it's a
pretty catchy tune, so i wonder why they didn't play it too much.  i'm
pretty sure emily said she wrote it in the studio, so they couldn't have
played it on the demo tour, but they could have played it on the college
tour.

anyway, i was able to listen to (& tape!) the world cafe today.  it was a
live session recorded at tongue and (or is it in?) groove studios in
philadelphia.  does anyone know who the audience members are & how they got
the privledge of being there?

i thought it was pretty cool that david dye played ig covering uncle john's
band from the deadicated cd in the first hour.

i will transcribe some cool/funny/interesting parts, but not all of them,
b/c it takes too long!  i'm going to try to include all um's & uh's &
everything too.

after it's alright:
...
d: that's, that's a great song, and in a way, that's, you know, that's not
exactly, uh, that's, you do mention being gay in that song, and that's sort
of the first time you've kind of done that in a way that everybody hears.
[he had so much trouble getting the words out! :) ]
e: are we gay? [audience laughs]
d: i didn't say, i, i said you mentioned it.
a: yeah, it is, well, not many people, just, i mean, even gay people don't
sing about being gay all the time.
d: right.
e: i was just using it as an example of, uh, one of any number of ways that
people oppress other people, and that just happened to be one of 'em,
homophobia, and rather than try to think of some poetic way to say it
[laughs], i just came out and said it like that.
d: there's something really direct about a lot of the songs on this record,
which is really great.
e: that's true, that's true.
d: yeah, that really works.  and it's funny, you were, you came in to
visit, and you were surrounded by banjos and dulcimers and guitars, and i
said, you talked about making this rock and roll record, but it somehow
worked out that way. [laughs]
...
d: there was something, you, you confirmed what it was, i thought it was, i
couldn't figure what it was, it sounded like, uh, some kind of a neat
keyboard instrument, but it's really somebody playing a triangle, on one of
the songs, so that's really really cool.
e: a kitchen sink!
...
before hey kind friend:
a: this was, i actually wrote this for sara lee, part of it, there's one
line for her.
e: only one!
a: only one.
...
after hkf:
e: yee-haw!
d: the bluegrass version of the indigo girls today.
a: well, hardly. [laughs]
d: right, punk bluegrass.
a: punky bluegrass.
...
d: scooter boys seems to be about a lot of things, i don't, i don't know
the image of scooter boys.  what is, what is that?
a: um, i don't have anything against scooter boys.  but it's, it's an image
of england to me.  i mean, scooter boys is like the epitome of england to
me, because i, you know, and in atlanta, we have a lot of, um, scooter
heads, and, i, i've, i, you know, it's like, people i hang out with, so
it's not like an image about specifically scooter boys, it's like a symbol
of england to me.  i was referring to the idea of england as an imperialist
country.  and argentina as a country that was colonized.  i mean, i'm
talking about colonization.  and um, you know, scooter boys and
argentinians, that's like, that's what we've come to, that's like, and it's
as much about myself, you know, i'm talking about myself being of
privledge, and sort of a blue blood compared to, you know, any indigeneous
person, and you know, it's like, you get involved in your own self, you
know, self interests and problems and stuff, and you don't, you forget
sometimes.  and i think we've been through a lot of things recently with
honor the earth, and then i've been down to mexico a couple of times, down
to chiapas, with the zapatistas, and it's, you know, it's like, you, you
get into your own problems, and you forget about what's going on, and then
when you see what's going on, you go, wow, you know, it's, it puts you in
perpective really quickly,  and i think that songs's basically about
putting myself in perspective, in the world, you know, it was, i just
wanted it to be a reference, because i just want you to think.  you know, i
don't want you to, i can't explain it.  [hee hee...after all that, she
can't explain it! :) ]
...
i love the little music they played during the break...it's part of galileo!
...
before shame on you:
a: this is about the importance, of you know, of the beauty of, like,
ethnic things in our life, you know, and um, we were, i was listening to,
like, the pixies' album, dolittle, and van morrison and all these things
one day, when my friends were over, they have a window washing company, and
they were, like, giving me a present, to wash my windows, and we were all
hanging, and it's like, uh, all of a sudden, it turned into this song about
immigration, i don't know what happened. [audience laughs]  there's a place
near where i live that's a place with a large hispanic population, very
central in one little area.  and it's like, the town tries to act like
they're not there.  and it's so funny to me.  and i rode my bike through it
one day, and it was like, happening, you know, music and dancing, and i was
like, oh my god, you know, what have i been missing this whole time?
'cause you wouldn't know it's been around.  so, and then, the same thing
that's ocurring, there's a lot of poultry factories, and they would have
road blocks set up, and they'd be checking people's licences, checking for
legal, you know, identity, and just hassling people, you know.  and so, it
kind of all mushed together.  i don't know why that happens.  it happens to
emily too.
e: yup.
a: all right.  let's be in tune for this one.  and the banjo was a
necessary thing for the little deliverance effect, you know.  just a little
bit of that pretty [word i can't understand] thing.
...
they really bleeped out the "fuckin up" line...it sounds like, "is that i
keep kin up" and there's no space in between keep and kin!
...
after shame on you:
d: amy, i think that's amazing, every single thing you said in the intro,
is in that song.
a: yeah, you know, i just realized, i just quoted all the lyrics, i
shouldn't, it probably works better to not talk about it.
d; the sha la la's, you know, you got the band in there and everything.
a: oh, it was definitely a tip the hat to brown eyed girl, there, there's
no doubt about it, just rip it off, [something i can't understand].
e: hey, was dolittle [something i can't understand b/c the audience is
laughing]?
a: dolittle.
e. oh.
a: dolittle all day.
e: oh, i thought it meant, like...
a: no, it means the pixies.
e: it's the pixies!  i thought you meant, like, don't do nothing all day.
cool.
d: you know, we were talking about picking some older things to do, and,
amy, you were reluctant to do some of your older things, what happens when
you listen to, say the first couple of records, i read somewhere, both of
you said you sometimes see how far you have come, shall we put it that way?
[they all laugh]
a: well, we can only go further, couldn't have gotten any worse. i mean...
d: really?
a: for me, i'm having like a, i mean, it's, i look at my old songs,
personally, and i feel sentimental about them in some ways, but there's, i
want to rewrite them, 'cause there's, there were things holding back things
in me, not, like, not issues, but, um, ways of writing, i don't know how to
describe it...
d: mmm hmm, that's a great con...
a: i think you just go through phases where you don't feel a partnership
with those songs, and you feel more, you know...
d: moving forward...
a: it changes every day.
d: yeah, that's a great concept for an album though, to have people rewrite
songs, early songs, and then put 'em out again.
a: yeeeeaaaah!
d: uh oh!
e: ha ha ha...look out!
a: next record!
d: so, i guess we're moving into emily territory here.
e: yeah, we're gonna do a couple old ones, so...
a: i like emily's old songs, still, it's funny, i, i really love 'em.
e: some of your old songs, though, you just cringe, about the lyrics, you
know, when you read them, just, how did i ever write that?  and then you
put it on an album, and people get to listen to it forever, and it's like,
ugh!  that's scary.  but it's not earth shattering.
d: no, there are worse things.
a: oh, yeah.
e: we're gonna do galileo.
audience: yeah!  yes! [clapping & laughing]
e: and we would like y'all to sing with us.
audience: great! wow! [seriously, people said that! :) ]
a: the last two are sing-alongs.  now this is church camp, so let's all
take part. [audience laughs]
e: and you're gonna be broadcast, so don't be shy.  all right.
[to annie lynn:] it's your birthday?
annie lynn: i told them if i could sing galileo with these guys, i could
then die.
e: would you like to come stand right here?  would you like to come stand here?
a: all right!  no fear! [audience claps]
e: [to annie lynn:] what's your name?  [to audience:] this is annie lynn.
she's gonna sing with us.
a: don't get scared.  it's no big deal...
annie lynn: i did this at my wedding.
e: [sounding confused] you sung with us? [i thought this was the funniest
comment!  i'm still laughing! :) ]  are you okay standing there?  do you
want to sit?  or do you...
annie lynn: i can't breathe, but i'm okay!
e: okay, here we go...
...
after galileo:
e: annie lynn!
a: that was great!
e: all right! [all laughing]
a: wow!
d: somehow you knew that was gonna be great, and it was.
e: yeah, it was excellent.
d: yeah.
a: we need one more mic up here please.  let's do some more of that!
e: we are so wacky today!

the audience didn't really sound like they knew the words to galileo or ctf
very well.  a&e only let them sing a couple lines in ctf, & they didn't
even let the audience sing solo on the "maybe you squandered bug bucks in
your lifetime" line, but emily laughed during it.

okay, so i ended up writing a little more than i meant to!  and i really
hope no one transcribed this stuff before i got to it, b/c it took hours!
once you get started transcribing, it's hard to stop!  that's what you get
when you're done w/ school, your work hasn't started yet, & you're up late,
and no one else is! :)
andi

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                                  andrea lipman
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                   "we are so wacky today!"-emily saliers
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from:         cathy lynn <delastraw@aol.com>
subject:      re: indigo girls in seattle

i desperately need 3 tickets for the seattle show on saturday july 12th.  if
anyone out there can help please e-mail me!!!  thanks!

peace out,

cathy

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andy said:
> i'm reeeeeeeally sorry, but right as i was reading the chords someone's
> guitar teacher figured out, my cat stepped on my keyboard and messed my
> entire screen up and i lost half the stuff i was reading. if someone
> could re-post them, or send them to me privately, i would be really
> grateful!
>

andy this is really wierd - the exact same thing happened to me. do
you think the cats of the world are uniting against this song - or
just against you and me playing it?

regards,
sandy

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subject:      re: dolittle all day
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on fri, 16 may 1997, lorie driscoll wrote:

> hey so on the world cafe tape, amy says dolittle is a pixies album.  and
> emily thought it was like, do nothing all day lol.  amy's talking about
> playing the album all day, the way i heard it.
>
> ah yes, i *must* delineate alll the allusions.  all of them, i say!

maybe she means both ... put the pixies on, then put your feet up and
rest ...

mat

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subject:      sh*tty day...warning:  depressing content
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okay, i have to vent somehow, and this is as good a way as any.

see, there's this silly, stupid, big, hairy mutt i grew up with.  we got him
from the humane society when he was 2 and i was 9.  well, over the last 12
years or so, i kinda grew a little attatched to this big stupid dog.  and, up
until about a year ago, he was still a rather young dog for his age.  but
over the past year he got real old real fast...blind, deaf, and arthritic.

last week my parents decided to put him to sleep so he wouldn't suffer.  last
night was the "big night."  unfortunately (or fortunately...you decide) i had
to work all night last night.  i was home when they came and got him, but
wasn't able to go to the vet's with them to say goodbye.

needless to say, i'm rather heartbroken by the whole thing.  i miss his big
hairy stupid ass.

for those of you who didn't heed my warning about this being depressing, i
want you all to do something for me.  i want you to all pray for him tonight,
or today, or whenever it is you do that sort of thing.  his name was winston,
and he was the greatest dog a kid could ever have....fun, loving, goofy....he
used to rush up to strangers, woof in their face, and then back up two steps,
sit on his haunches, and whimper as if to say "i'm sorry, it was only my
job...forgive me?"  he kinda looked like a walking disney cartoon.  anyway,
if you could add winners (silly nickname, huh?) to your prayers, i would
deeply appreciate it.

also, if you have any pets of your own, whatever they may be, go to them,
give them a big hug, and tell them how much you love them.  i never really
told him how much i really loved him...but he knew anyway.  well, except for
fish...that might be a little slimy.

anyway, i suppose i shall return you to your regularly scheduled
lives....already in progress.  thanks for letting me vent.

dawn
who is planning on donating about half of whatever i may win in the lottery
to various animal rights charities....in winston's name

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i know you're all in the middle of finals ..or what ever ..but its time
to get those tapes in the mail

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loop 5..ya knew what i meant...

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subject:      re: the truth behind shed your skin

well y'all know that snakes are metaphors for lotsa stuff,
huh?  i know that the swamp ophelia t-shirt, which had a
heron holding a snake in its beak, made some guys nervous.
then again, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar....

peace,
fran e.

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is there a kind soul who's willing to tape the latest world cafe for me?
i have lots to trade!!!  :) :) :)

thanks!!
rob
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* "may the great mystery make sunrise        *
*  in your heart."  --sioux indian saying    *
*                                            *
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okay, i just found a couple tapes i made of just passin thru and i know i
made them for specific people.  alas, i have no clue who they were for.

so, if i owe you this tape, please let me know!!  so sorry!
court

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okay...i know that i had told someone that i would dub modern rock live for them.  this is not going to be possible.  my sister (almost 12 years old) decided that she should come and take my stereo while i wasn't home.  it seems that hers somehow got broken, and she wanted to listen to a cd.  my mrl tape was in it, and she decided to tape some songs from the radio while she had my stereo in her room without asking permission...and she taped them over mrl.
needless to say, i have wanted to kill her many times...but she's strategically managed to be out of the house when i am in.  long story short, i no longer even have a tape of mrl, so not only can i not dub it for anyone, but i can't even listen to it, myself.  so...if i had promised it to you, i apologize.  surely there is someone else out there who doesn't have an evil, thieving sibling who would be willing to help you out.  i'm really sorry.  = (

jennifer w.

p.s.  she (my sister) denies the entire thing...and simply "doesn't know" how my cds came to be out of their cases and all over her bedroom floor. *grrrrrr*

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here they are, i figured them out this morning

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that's it!! have fun!!
kira.

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my take is that he's saying something like, "it's so hard when they have so
many bad things going on" and then at like 5:22 on the song, i'm trying to
remember the numbers, but near the end of the song, it does sound exactly
like he says "see ya later"
~ren

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i'm wondering, as i read (with interest, i'll admit) the conversations about
what amy or emily "meant" when they wrote certain lyrics, how many folks on
this list are artists of some sort or another?  i too find myself dwelling
on the meaning of ig songs, but at some point i find i need to remind
myself, as a song writer, author and poet, that meaning is inherently
subjective.  when i write, i don't attempt to layer it with meaning, though
i do hope the end result is so. i try to write purely whatever words express
a thought or feeling i am exploring or experiencing.  usually those subjects
are quite one dimensional: ie, a singular experience or thought.  for
example, one of my recently published poems was written to my brother, who
is rich and somewhat famous, and who is a fundimentalist christian.  he has
been using his fame to "fight the sin of homosexuality" in the national
media.  the fact that his one full-blooded sister (so close in age that we
could be mistaken for twins) is a big activistic dyke is never mentioned in
his cruisade, but it is obviously a principal motivator for him.  i wrote a
poem directly *to* him, about our relationship.  as it is read now, and
widely interpreted, it appears to be a poem about the christian right in
general.  it is thought to be written to the pat robertson's, ralph reed's
and phyllis shafly's of the world - yet it was a purely personal poem.

so i think, when emily wrote burn all the letters, she was likely just
thinking of those privacy issues in general, maybe refering to things she'd
learned about or experienced in places, but mainly as a means to express or
explore the whole privacy issue.  and when amy wrote shed your skin, she was
probably just grooving on the idea of transformation in a relationship.
neither of them are likely to have really conceptualized all the meanings
that could be extracted from their words.  that's for us to do - to get our
own meanings from them as we wish or need to hear them.  but i'll bet they
giggle inside when they hear folks analyzing their lyrics for deeper
meaning.  yep, the meaning is there, but like all art, it is most present in
the participation, rather than in the creation.  so i think that when we
discuss the meaning of any particular song, there can be no definative
answer.  we can really only understand what the song means to us, what it
could mean, or how we experience it.  with all due respects to em and amy,
i'll bet we will get more out of their songs than ever went into them.

      ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
           jeannie dewey, msw
         jdewey@crocker.com
       i am not standing here
             before the light
              to cast shadows
     ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~~*~*~

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yeah...an indigo bunting on my bird feeder today

gotcha :-))
m

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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for those of you who are intrested  i mentioned  my feelings about the
ellen episode in my column in the zine i write for powerstar if you want
the url to read it email me off the list  and ill tell you where to go

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hmmmm. my first thought was eliz.barrett browning or  maybe recent books
written about eleanor roosevelt.
       secound thought ...privacy...shrinking every day
       third thought...it's a rhumba...definitly a rhumba
marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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hi everyone,

i got this off the aol billboard site.  looks like sots has slipped a bit.
:(
(yep, copied without permission)
__________________________________________________________
(compiled from a national sample of sales reports collected, compiled
and provided by soundscan)

1. ''spice,'' spice girls. virgin. (platinum)
2. ''carrying your love with me,'' george strait. mca.
3. ''share my world,'' mary j. blige. mca.
4. ''life after death,'' the notorious b.i.g. bad boy.
5. soundtrack to ''space jam.'' warner sunset. (platinum)
6. ''falling into you,'' celine dion. 550 music. (platinum)
7. ''bringing down the horse,'' the wallflowers. interscope. (platinum)
8. ''pieces of you,'' jewel. atlantic. (platinum)
9. ''middle of nowhere,'' hanson. mercury.
10. ''baduizm,'' erykah badu. kedar. (platinum)
11. ''still waters,'' bee gees. polydor.
12. ''blue,'' leann rimes. curb. (platinum)
13. ''shaming of the sun,'' indigo girls. epic.
14. ''another level,'' blackstreet. interscope. (platinum)
15. ''unchained melody/the early years,'' leann rimes. curb.
16. ''tragic kingdom,'' no doubt. trauma. (platinum)
17. ''in the mirror,'' yanni. private music.
18. ''pop,'' u2. island. (platinum)
19. ''waterbed hev,'' heavy d. uptown.
20. ''did i shave my legs for this,'' deana carter. capitol nashville.
    (platinum)

    (c) 1997, bpi communications inc. and soundscan inc.

at least they are ahead of u2 and yanni!!!!!!!

:)

jan

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subject:      ellen episode nigc

hey everyone...

sorry to waste bandwidth but i am trying to get my hands on the episode of
ellen from 2 weeks ago, the one where she comes out to her parents. if anyone
has a copy of that and would be willing to dub it for me (or trade for it), i
would be more than grateful.  thanks

peace
sasha

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subject:      to all the people i owe boots to....nigc

there was too many of you to mail privately so i must apologize for wasting
list bandwidth, but to all of you i owe boots to:

please be patient.  all your boots are ready and waiting to be mailed.  the
problem is that chickenjeep's ac went out and our temperatures soared from
the 60s to the 80s the very next day.  i **swear** to you all that on june
1st all your boots will be in the mail, but don't look for them before then
because i only have $5 left out of my paycheck to last me the month.
sorry!!!!!  :(

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
   member - ssim yknib naf bulc
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'cause i'm gay..." - e. saliers
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subject:      lyrics question from 1200c

in the song on disc/tape 2 "down by the river".....is she saying "i shot my
baby"??

peace, harmony & indigo,

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wonder/love is never wrong..." - m. etheridge
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whatever is wrong with the people of today???  putting the spice girls
before our beloved girls??  what i "really really want" is to know
why...?
alicia

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just got home from seeing barbara kessler in concert. she's good, singer/
songwriter/acoustic guitar stuff, nice voice & some really funny songs
(and a bunch that are just good, not funny) and she has the cuuuuuutest
little 4 1/2 month old baby. :) anyway, what might be of interest to y'all
is the fact that jerry marotta produced her most recent cd, "notion," and
also plays on several tracks. i'm listening to the cd now, and so far i
like her better live (more intense, more "presence") but it's nice. also
jennifer kimball on backing vocals, for those of you who know her from the
story (and from lots of other places, including a new cd i just picked up
today by a local artist named beth lodge-rigal -- very nicely produced by
robert meitus, best known for his work with carrie newcomer).

anyhow, if you were wondering what marotta's up to these days besides
ig's stuff (or if you just like to keep track of any music influenced by
anyone who's worked with the ig's), now you know. :)

-anne, who's managed to pull sots out of the cd player long enough to
listen to beth lodge-rigal *and* barbara kessler, and might go into ig's
withdrawal any minute now ;)

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subject:      my trip to the record store :)

hello dahlinks,
well in case you haven't noticed from my recent outbursts
of pseudo-intellectual babble, i have been holed up in my
hovel writing my research paper for..uhhh..a while.....
so.
i thought ...what better time to color my hair  !?!

so off i went to target (hair product emporium de-joore)
and as i passed the music section i noticed that ig had a
special front and center display...and i must say it looked as if it
had been ravished by wild banshee's ... not a copy of sots in sight.
they did have these little 'ig starter kit's' for 6 bucks so i was
compelled to purchase one...even though i already have all
of the songs...what the hell, the cover picture was cute.
:)
so then i stop by rainy day records (olympia's store) and to
my utter de-lite i see time and love (the music of laura nyro)
among the new releases !!! i just have to recomend this to you all !
it's a tribute album with : suzanne vega, patty larkin, jill sobule,
phoebe snow, rosanne cash, jonatha brooke ..and much much more.
and i'm not just trying to sell you on the music of my generation...
ok, maybe i am ;)
anyway get it ! it's sweet.
oh yeah...spice girls #1...i don't get it...whats up with that ?
i've seen 'em on mtv and they aren't all that as far as i can see.
that's ll !
remember...doo son de run de run de papa do  !
luv,
claire
p.s. "desert sunrise" is now the color of my hair ;)

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subject:      2 tickets for 5/22

i have 2 tickets available for the knoxville,tn show on may 22nd.i will  be
unable to get off work to do the 4 hour drive from atlanta. anyone interested
please e-mail asap so i'll have time to get the tickets to you. i just want
what i paid for them or i guess i'll have to keep them as a momento.
thanks
jean

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hello all you kansas city, mo listees! :)

i will be in your fair city 5/24-5/26; if anyone is interested in
hanging out for a bit while i'm in town, drop me a private e-mail...

ciao,

barbee


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yee-ha, i just got a copy of the ig promo video retrospective thing. if
any of you happen to be in the vicinity of the tigard, oregon, borders
book store, they have several copies left.
-sam (who loves to watch amy's haircut change from year to year)

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subject:      looking for jenn (??) from knoxville

hey kids... sorry for this... but who mailed me and said you are from
knoxville, tn?  you also said you'd be going to nashville lilith
fair... i need to ask you a question, k???  thanks!!
=o)
cindy


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subject:      re: rdr, bootlegs and 2 cents

bottom line...
the music, lyrics, notes, etc are the property of said artists.. if they
don't want them sold as bootlegs then that is their right. trading boots and
selling them are two completely different things..
sure, perry and marsha have done a lot for the atlanta music scene as a
whole, they are great! and perhaps it wasn't handled the best possible way.
we don't know, we weren't there..
it all comes down to the bottom line.. some of you have mentioned greed...
perhaps that isn't what is going on..
i completely understand the irritation with having something you worked on
that you put your blood and sweat into being sold by someone else at a profit
to them..
because i just found out that a listmember is doing that with the jesus
christ superstar video...
so, before you cast judgement on either side think about how you might feel..

emd

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howdy, all.  just wanted to address this, (since now i am in a much more
rested state, and have the lyrics right in front of me).
****disclaimer****  these are purely my thougths on this song...these
are observations i've made based on what little i know about emily
saliers and amy ray, except through the media and others' experiences.
care to enlighten me with yours?  i'd love to learn new thoughts about
the ig's writings.
ok here goes...
-->emily wrote: "you used to mock me sometimes i would cry later"--i
remember reading or listening to a boot where amy commented about a tape
that emily made and gave to her, and she said "it made me cry", and
emily said, "you were laughing" at me (i recall).  amy said something
about having to find that tape, and emily said it's gone, forever...that
she had "burned it" (both laughed).  she seemed slightly hurt sounding.
-->emily wrote:  "how you mixed darkness at such a young age until in
your chemistry science and violence turned silence to rage"--amy
commented on the song, "dead man's hill " on the scholastic sampler 1997
(i recall), and also i read it on an earlier article.  she had described
how she was exposed to evil early on, when some young boys were
torchering a cat near her neighborhood.  she said that she didn't stop
it from happening.  but from that experience, she became an activist for
social and personal injustice, not sitting by and letting things happen.
-->emily wrote: "with your head on the bed board the anguished repeat
the sweat of our sadness the twist of the sheets"--i don't think this as
sexual at all.  in "language or the kiss", she sings "...when we last
talked we were lying on our backs, looking up at the sky, through the
ceiling/ i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway..."  my
thought was that the "repeat the sweat of our sadness" was related to
wrestling over an issue, while in bed...kinda like talking under the
sky.
-->emily wrote:  "there were the secrets, the big bang and the bigger
joke (i love this phrase, by the way...), you seem to know all of them,
and injustice makes you red with choke."  didn't amy get her bachelor's
degree in religious studies.  also, amy is quite an active in her
political causes and the social "injustices" that can get her really
wild...right?  =)  her interviews sometimes seem somewhat urgent and/or
fervent when she is talking about political injustice. (sorry, but i
don't have an exact source for ya, but wouldn't everyone agree?...oh,
yeah, check the atlanta mag article back in march 1997, where she's on
the reporter describes her while she's speaking on the phone.)
-->also, an interesting thing i observed while just reading the words to
language or the kiss, i found that she was similarity.  "...most of your
life goes on without me, oh the fear i've known, that i might reap the
praise of strangers and end up on my own..." and in "caramia", emily
wrote, " i don't want what's best for you, where will i be when you've
found it?"  no comment about who she may be writing about...just a
similarity i found interesting.

ok so sorry this is so long...and again, this is just some food for
thought...of course, no one, including me, should loose sleep over the
interpretation of a song, seeing how emily was quoted as saying that she
usually writes for herself and for the art of writing, more than writing
for the audience. "it starts at a very personal level. when i'm writing,
i'm not thinking about how it's going to be perceived or taken apart, or
what its function is going to be once it's out in the world.  it's the
writing, and it's often hard." (from an phone interview with emily by
david horowitz of the ann arbor news.)
so with that, i'm going to get some sleep, good night all!

seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu


deb reiser wrote:
>
> >i've been contemplating joni's question all day, is caramia amy?
> >
> >i don't have an answer.
>
> i am curious to hear why so many seem to feel the song is about amy. there
> are parts that could apply to her in general terms, but i don't think the
> references are specific enough. it just doesn't work for me -- especially
> through out the song as it gets more antagonistic. i suppose i may just be
> anti "em is singing about amy". i recall many felt mystery was written with
> amy in mind and i didn't see that one either (and i think em's recent
> comments about mystery dealt that arguement a severe blow).
>
> anyway...in college i must have heard the line "people, people, people --
> if you're going to make an assertion, you need to back it up with evidence"
> a zillion times. i guess i need to hear some evidence as to why the song is
> about amy. i don't believe any body who says it's about amy has offered
> any.
>
> any takers?
>
> deb

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lost yer addy..how the hell are ya?

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subject:      yo philadelphia!

there's a teeny-tiny bit of igc here :-) i'll be going to the may 30 show at
the mann and i can't wait! but also that weekend i'll be moving from
lancaster to phila to begin my new life as grad assist. and grad student at
temple u in the journalism program.

1st; if you know anyone who's looking to share a 2 bdrm apt beginning 6/1 or
7/1, i've got it! rent=$230/ mo + each. email me privately for more info 2nd:
i moving to east falls on sun june 1. if any phila listers are avail to help
me unload, that would be great! we could sing ig songs while we lug boxes!

thanx again and btw, did anyone else catch ellen on sesame street thurs nite?
she was singing 'put down the duckie' with elmo! yay!
peace,
cathy

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subject:      hfk chords (em's part)

i cannot transcribe tab at all. so please try to get a "liz-to-english"
dictionary if possible. if not, e-mail me with your questions. = )

e----------------------------------------------------0/2----0-------------------
b-------------------0----2----2----2----2/3------------------3-----3-----2
g------2----2--------------------------------------------------------------------


*whew* let me know if this is close to (fine?) right...

-liz-

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subject:      re: shed your skin

i still haven't gotten any responses!  i heard there was someone who knew
the actual answer.  i was hoping they would come forward...

on sat, 17 may 1997 22:39:00 -0500 (cdt) sara krausert
<srkrause@midway.uchicago.edu> writes:
>hi! i was just wondering if you received any responses to your
>question
>about the 115/17 debate. i was surprised, too, when someone said it
>had
>been resolved, because i don't remember it! any help would be
>appreciated!
>thanks!
>
>sara
>
>----------------------------------------------------------
>sara krausert
>srkrause@midway.uchicago.edu
>
>"remember everything i told you/
>keep it in your heart like a stone/
>and when the winds have blown things round and back again/
>what was once your pain will be your home."
>-- indigo girls, "everything in its own time"
>
>

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subject:      something is truly wrong with the world

--- on the billboard charts, :
11. ''still waters,'' bee gees. polydor.
--- end of quoted material ---

...when barry, robin, and maurice are ranked higheer on the billboard charts
than the girls.

armageddon approacheth! grab your cheese and run

xo, sus

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i feel the need to enforce the endorsement for barbara kessler...

> just got home from seeing barbara kessler in concert. she's good, singer/
> songwriter/acoustic guitar stuff, nice voice & some really funny songs
>...what might be of interest to y'all is the fact that jerry marotta produced
>her most recent cd, "notion," and also plays on several tracks.

.......'notion' is *ex*cellent and very worth checking into....one of
the bass players on the cd is tony levin who played bass for peter
gabriel.....definitely check her out live if you can!

if you're a kristen hall fan you'll probably love bk....don't forget to use
earphones for the ultimate enjoyment....;)

:) eric (a strong proponent of earphones)

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subject:      jcs superstar video (was re: rdr, bootlegs and 2 cents)

elizabeth deschesne <tunegal3@aol.com> writes:
---snip---
>i completely understand the irritation with having something you worked
on
>that you put your blood and sweat into being sold by someone else at a
profit
>to them..
>because i just found out that a listmember is doing that with the jesus
>christ superstar video...


say what?  tell me that's not true!  you can easily order the original
video
directly from daemon, and all profits go to stop gun violence.

peace,
fran e.

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yes, i'm a newcomer to this list and so far i've really enjoyed everything
everyone has said.  i'm a fairly new fan, about a year now since i got my
first ig album, but i've loved them since the start.  i live in minnesota and
i'm dying to see them in concert, but after checking their tour list, i've
noticed that they're not coming to the midwest at all.  i'm going to be in
california this summer right near ucberkeley when they're going to be there,
so my question is: have those tickets gone on sale yet?  are they sold out?
if anyone could give me info, it would be great.  i checked the ticketmaster
web page and there's no info on ordering them, and since i don't ever here
any california concert news any info would be great!

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date:         sun, 18 may 1997 15:40:41 -0500
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just came across some new info on the lf site. first of all, another date
w/ig has been officially announced:

august 15th  toronto / molson amp / tix on sale may 31st
line-up so far: sarah, ig, jewel and shawn colvin

the line-up for the chicago show has been posted. a nice surprise will
occur at this stop on the tour: ig has edged out sarah in the top spot of
the night. could this mean a longer set??? and is this to make-up for not
scheduling a "real" sots tour stop in this area??? here's the line-up in
order of appearance:

yungchin lahmo   / madeleine peyroux  / lisa loeb / tba  (second stage act) /
emmylou harris / jewel / sarah mclachlan / indigo girls


and the minnesota line-up was also announced. in order of appearance:

mary jane lamond / tba (mainstage act) / wild strawberries /
shawn colvin / jewel / indigo girls / sarah mclachlan

(so, anyone aware of the second acts? i was hoping for wild colonials, not
the wild strawberries. also, the milwaukee show is getting the same
line-up. sorry abigail, the dar appearance looks to have been a rumor)

to see the second stage acts for the other dates that include ig, go to the
lf site at:

http://www.lilithfair.com/dates.html

and click on the name of the city to take you to the line-up.

deb

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subject:      down by the river lyric question...

in a message dated 5/18/97 4:57:36 am, you wrote:

<<in the song on disc/tape 2 "down by the river".....is she saying "i shot my
baby"??>>

funny, i always thought it was "i was shot by my baby."
what an obscure concept.
-daisy

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subject:      target sampler, anyone?  please?

ok, here's the story- my friend gave me the target sampler for my
birthday yesterday, not knowing that i already had it, and she doesn't
have the receipt anymore. so, before i make a run over to target and
attempt to kiss enough butt to get them to refund my moo-lah w/out a
receipt, i thought i would ask if anyone on the list wants to possibly
buy it off me. all you would have to do is send about $8.- to cover the
cd and postage, and i'll mail to you the day after i get the maney. i'll
take the first one who e-mails me privately.
        also, thank you to everyone who posted the shed your skin tabs
again for me after my cat mauled my first ones. it was appreciated.

~andy (who is going now to create the sea-monkeys tank that i also got
for my b-day, and is excited to make them critters grow. :)  )

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>andy the great said excitedly:
>> i'm reeeeeeeally sorry, but right as i was reading the chords
>someone's
>> guitar teacher figured out, my cat stepped on my keyboard and messed
>my
>> entire screen up and i lost half the stuff i was reading. if someone
>> could re-post them, or send them to me privately, i would be really
>> grateful!
>>
>
>andy this is really wierd - the exact same thing happened to me. do
>you think the cats of the world are uniting against this song - or
>just against you and me playing it?
>
>regards,
>sandy


i seriously think it's a conspiracy. my cats and your cats are sending
telepathic messages to destroy any and all shed your skin tabs that
either of us can get our hands on. be careful, though, those telepathic
communications might be radioactive and emit from the cats' brains into
ours. that would suck. :)

~andy

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hey-
     my friend has just informaed me that she bought a ticket for the dayton
concert.  that means that i am going along and have to buy one also.  i have
a few questions, does anyone know where the show will actually be?  also,
we're going to stay in a hotel, but we want one that is near where the
concert is going to be..can anyone help.  please e-mail me privately........
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subject:      any concert info for nyc or area?

hi!  this is my first post to the list.  i have thouroughly enjoyed the posts
i've been reading for the last few days.
anyway, i am pretty new to the new york area and i was wondering if anyone
had any info about an ig or lf concert around here.
glad to be aboard!!

sarah

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anyone know when tickets for this cols show go on sale?  i've checked
ticketmaster online, but it says they're not on sale online yet.  i was
thinking i'd heard it was june 14th but i'm not sure.
   thanks for the help y'all!

     later,
      twink!

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in a message dated 97-05-18 15:23:13 edt britt erickson writes:

<<yes, i'm a newcomer to this list and so far i've really enjoyed everything
everyone has said.  i'm a fairly new fan, about a year now since i got my
first ig album, but i've loved them since the start.  i live in minnesota
and
i'm dying to see them in concert, but after checking their tour list, i've
noticed that they're not coming to the midwest at all.  i'm going to be in
california this summer right near ucberkeley when they're going to be there,
so my question is: have those tickets gone on sale yet?  are they sold out?
  if anyone could give me info, it would be great.  i checked the
ticketmaster
web page and there's no info on ordering them, and since i don't ever here
any california concert news any info would be great!>>

hi everyone, i'm new to this list also, and i'm enjoying reading the dialogue
here. i've been a fan of the girls since i "discovered" their video ctf on
mtv in 1989. in answer to britt's question, and for anyone else, the berkeley
ca concert: the tickets will go on sale on june 1. prices are $25 lawn, $35
reserved. tickets will be available through bass, not ticketmaster, and of
course the greek theatre ticket office. concert dates are july 5 and 6, 7pm.
this information was given to me by the greek theatre last week. i plan to be
at the greek box office bright and early that day!

anyone else going to these shows?

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hi crazy list persons,

today a couple of buds and i got on discussing the subject of

"jem and the holograms"

one of the more hilarious 80's cartoon epics.
if anyone else loved jem, just so you know, we found a lot of jem web
pages.
if anyone cares, mail me and i'll send ya some urls.
i did love jem so.

truly outrageous,


larissa

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subject:      chicago igc???

hi - i read that there the indigo girls are coming to chicago??
when??
how much are tix? when do they or did they go on sale?

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this has probably been asked and answered and i just missed it, but i can't
fully make out those couple of lines in shed your skin that don't seem to
be included in the liner notes... they end with (i think) "in you..... in
you..."  and then the cool guitar part starts up.

elena
elena@cruzio.com

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hey y'all! once again, i'm offering an extra ticket for the friday chastain
show. i'll give it to you for $15. bought it for $26. you can go with me and
my group if you don't want to go alone. we're fun (at least i think we are)
and none of us are mass murderers (at least i don't think we are). i'd
rather have a true fan sitting next to me ya know ;) so it's gotta be
someone from the list. let me know!

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subject:      shed your skin-audubon connection...

hey all,
i was forced to spend my evening & wee hours of this morning counting
books... yuk...but... one of the books i came across (ok-- so i went looking
for it) was
the _national audubon society field guide to north american reptile &
amphibians_ & guess what i found on page 581:

"of the 115 species of snakes that may be found north of mexico, 17 species
are venomous. learn to recognize them quickly and leave them alone. do not
attempt to catch them. a bite from a venomous snake may be an extremely
painful experience and, in some cases, may lead to disfigurement, damage to
the nervous system, or even death"

i thought this was really interesting. (& kind-of ironic)

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had a nice indigo-flavoured surprise at the weekend -

last august i was on holiday in dublin and just happened to meet an atlanta
woman and ig fan who promised to send me a copy of a video she had - i
thought she'd forgotton all about it, but to my surprise it landed on my
doormat on saturday (plus a cute little 1200c bookmark and a copy of stomp
and stammer with ig on cover :))

...trouble is, it's ntsc format!  i borrowed a compatible vcr, but the
picture is constantly scrolling and there's no audio - think its my tv
that's the problem.

i think its a concert on decatur square, 1987 - looks like a tv
broadcast......also managed to make out some clips of another tv appearance
- must be galileo 'cos david crosby and graham nash are up there... i gave
up trying to watch at this point - found my eyes were rolling round the back
of my head!  %)

so the question is...does anyone have facility to dub ntsc to pal? please!!!
i could take it to a little man i know and pay 30 (gulp) but it really
needs editing by a fan - has other bits in between the ig from what i can
make out...

any help appreciated,


seffy

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subject:      down by the river (lyrics and tab)

hi y'all!

there has been some discussion about a particular line in this song ("i
shot my baby"). to clear this up i thought i'd post the olga tab i have of
it. hope this helps...
here we go:

down by the river (neil young)

em7  a  em7  a

em7                 a                      em7
be on my side, i'll be on your side, baby,

                        a           em7
there is no reason for you to hide.

                   a                       em7
it's so hard for me stay'in here all alone

                           a         cmaj7
when you could be takin' me for a ride,

    bm
yeah, yeah.

cmaj7            bm                c
she could drag me over the rainbow

               bm  d  g
and send me away.

     d         a  g
down by the river,

   d        a  g
i shot my baby.

     d         a
down by the river,

em7  a  em7            a
dead, ooh, shot her dead.

em7  a  em7  a

you take my hand, i'll take your hand,
together we may get away.
this much madness is too much sorrow,
it's impossible to make it today,
  yeah, ooh, ooh, yeah.
she could drag me over the rainbow
and send me away.
down by the river,
i shot my baby.
down by the river,
dead, dead, woh, woh, shot her dead,
shot her dead.

be on my side, i'll be on your side, baby,
there is no reason for you to hide.
it's so hard for me stay'in here all alone
when you could be takin' me for a ride,
yeah, yeah.
she could drag me over the rainbow
and send me away.
down by the river,
i shot my baby.
down by the river


peace and
take care,
kathrin

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ok, where's the party, damn it??? i asked, nobody answered.  rich asked,
nobody answered. widdie, deb, joanie, anyone??? i'm flying from ohio and
going to the fri night show by myself and was countin' on meeting smoe list
folks. :-) i told rich i have that 10 year old sinking feeling that everyone
was invited to a big birthday party but me.  it's just not possible that
there's no list celebration opening night of the tour, is it??? say it ain't
so....
lisa
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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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>anyone know when tickets for this cols show go on sale?  i've checked
>ticketmaster online, but it says they're not on sale online yet.  i was
>thinking i'd heard it was june 14th but i'm not sure.
>   thanks for the help y'all!
>
>     later,
>      twink!

hey twink, and my fellow columbusians,

you had it right, tix for the lilith date in columbus go on sale june 14th,
10 am. i wonder if that's when we'll meet.  running for that front spot in
line, 6 am, sounds like the folk festival last summer. great memory, ya out
there, ames? miss ya'. have a good day all.
lisa
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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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subject:      rainy day and amy ray...

hi all!
i'm not sure if anyone brought up this question re: rainy day bootleg
cd's....
if someone from camp indigo is checking out this list for amy and emily, then
why didn't amy know a long time ago about the bootleg cd's that rainy day was
putting out?
hmmmmm.......
just wondering.....
~~robin
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me away" e.s.

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subject:      auburn review???

i was supposed to go to auburn, but blew it off for the chastain show next
sunday...
anybody gonna give us a review????
waiting patiently...
~~robin
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this just in from the drudge report (http://www.drudgereport.com/)


>r n drudge-report     05-18 2309
>**internet exclusive**
> // abc renews 'ellen' //
>event remit: abc will announce on monday that it has renewed ellen, despite
>a published report that star ellen degeneres wanted the program to end.
>the los angeles times and daily variety are set to report that abc's parent
>company, disney, played a direct part in the decision to bring the series
>back because of financial benefits the studio reaps from it.   a studio
>source tells the drudge report that degeneres has won an impressive
>increase in paycheck and creative control.  ellen will keep its current
>time slot on wednesdays for the '97-'98 season.
>
>side:  abc changes more than 40% of its schedule, replacing 9 1/2 hours of
>its 22 hours of prime programming.  the new lineup will feature 10 new
>shows.   the network will not have a single show in the 8 p.m. slot that
>was in the same time period a year ago -- a total tarses makeover of a
>network in free fall.....m drudge  // tdr-05-18-97 17:09 pdt

if you didn't care and didn't want to know, please don't flame, just
delete. i think there has been more than enough interest in the past to
warrant posting this.

merry monday,
raine

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subject:      re: dolittle all day
x-to:         mts5@aber.ac.uk

throw dolittle on anyway -- it's a great album if you don't take it too
seriously. the pixies are the first thing i thought of when i heard
that song the firt time -- how great that it might actually be what
they were thinking too!!  :)
trish


> from mts5@aber.ac.uk sat may 17 06:19:56 1997
> organisation: prifysgol cymru - aberystwyth - university of wales
> disclaimer: this does not represent the views of the pca/uwa
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> date:         sat, 17 may 1997 11:05:26 +0100
> from: indigo jo <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
> subject:      re: dolittle all day
> x-to:         lorie driscoll <loried@one.net>
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> on fri, 16 may 1997, lorie driscoll wrote:
>
> > hey so on the world cafe tape, amy says dolittle is a pixies album.  and
> > emily thought it was like, do nothing all day lol.  amy's talking about
> > playing the album all day, the way i heard it.
> >
> > ah yes, i *must* delineate alll the allusions.  all of them, i say!
>
> maybe she means both ... put the pixies on, then put your feet up and
> rest ...
>
> mat

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howdee spankies

okay, so those of you for whom i am taping the unh boot, i finally got the tape
today (thanks :)) and will do your tapes and get them out by the end of the
week. sorry for the delay!

xo, sus

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subject:      ouch! (nigc)

hi friedns.

in the past couple of days, i have received some very nasty and vitriolic
messages from someone who took offense to my remarks about the bee gee's.

i hereby publicly apologize to the brothers gibb and their fans, or whatever.

i don't feel the need to share the messages with the list, but i do feel the
need to ask everyone is i am totally offbase in sayting that some things are
written tongue in cheek, and some things are meant to be harmless little
commentaries, and nothing  that is an opinion is fact. i was chided last week
for writing "it's a joke, folks" at the end of my post, but clearly, there are
people on this list who don't get my humor and i guess i am sorry for that....

please, if you don't agree with someone on the list, find out what they know or
don't know before you attack them, and also, consider the fact that when they
write statements like "armageddon is coming, grab your cheese and run!" at the
end of a message, they *might* be trying to have a little fun.

feeling sad and wounded, but not looking for sympathy, only understanding

susan

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at 07:51 am 5/19/97 -0400, lisa tatonetti wrote:
>ok, where's the party, damn it??? i asked, nobody answered.  rich asked,
>nobody answered. widdie, deb, joanie, anyone??? i'm flying from ohio and
>going to the fri night show by myself and was countin' on meeting smoe list
>folks. :-) i told rich i have that 10 year old sinking feeling that everyone
>was invited to a big birthday party but me.  it's just not possible that
>there's no list celebration opening night of the tour, is it??? say it ain't
>so....
>lisa

dammit atlantans, they figured us out!

well, i am here at work, on time, even though i drove back to atlanta from
auburn last night. i had a blast, i met rich, otts, howard(hope that's
right), shannon, julie, sue, and tons of others whose names i'll probably
never remember. i really am the worst.*grin* the concert was absolutely
incroyable, but i'll leave the review to someone else, i'm not very
discriminating, and so if you want to hear my review, just imagine a big
ole email of, 'yeah that song was great, and golly gee, that one was
awesome too.. oh and that song kicked ass.." and so forth. howard has the
set list, i'm sure he'll post it somewhere. one little note: amy did
'winthrop' as an encore *melt*, and emily covered patty levless'(sorry, i
know i butchered that spelling) 'here i am', and then they did ctf. i admit
it, i did groan.. but then i got up and boogied. *grin*

those looking just for the loop content:
if you are in a loop, and it ain't looping, please email me and i'm going
to try to get you back on track. talking to the few people i did last night
made me see that not all loops are happy and go-lucky as the one sundara
reigns supreme over, namely, mine. please email me and let's see what we
can do.

chastain hoe-down:
having neglected email for the past little while, going to auburn was a
wake up call that chastain is next week, and even if there was something
planned (but i guess there isn't..) i wouldn't have heard of it because
i've been deleting deleting deleting.. moving will do that to you. but
here's to having a great big ole get together in atlanta to meet all of the
folks that are coming from afar, and those that are right here :)

so. feeling that there are awesome people out there just waiting to be met,
and that i need to do my duty, i can offer my feeble dwelling as a get
together spot, unless of course someone else steps forward with a better
offer. *grin* now beware, even though i *did* just buy furniture (arriving
wednesday, wahoo!) so there are sofas to sit on and a table to eat off of,
but i'm afraid there is still a general emptiness that comes from 2 people
moving from a 2bdrm apt with 5 total ppl living in it, to a 2 bdrm apt with
just their lonesomes w/ no real furniture. lets just say, that when me and
my honey watch tv, it echoes off the empty walls. *grin* but i must admit,
if i'm hosting something, what a great motivator to dig up my pictures and
put them up, and unpack the boxes and put stuff away.

but hey! y'all don't care right?? you just want to meet folks :) those
interested in a get together, email me and let me know what day you'd like
to have it, and when .. i personally wouldn't be averse to getting together
every day before the concert, my apt can handle it, but that's just my
opinion. let's hear about you. email me so i can get a consensus.

also along those same lines, to atone for my neglect of the list, (not that
anyone on the list notices *grin*) anyone who needs a place to crash,
(erin, rich, shanna you guys get first dibs) mi casa, su casa. i've only
got a couch and a loveseat though, so first come first serve. but if you
don't mind the floor, then i don't mind bodies on my floor. *grin*

let the email begin...

raine@area51.homecom.com

merry monday (what an oxymoron..)
raine

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if anyone got bounced mail form me sorry power went out on my server last
nite and was buyncing all mail

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from:   tigger::feiaj01      "joey joe joe junior shabidoo" 19-may-1997 11:23:28.50
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subj:   target starter kits

i've got access to about 10 (possibly more)starter kit cds.  i would like to know how
much people would be willing to pay for them, so i can know if it's worth my while to
sell them and send them out.  if i did send them out, i would use cd mailers and send
them first class, so the jewel cases wouldn't break.  i haven't actually priced it, but
i figure the cd + tax + mailers + postage will cost around $12.  any offers would be
appreciated, so i can decide if i want to do this.
                        thanks,
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don't know if i should be sending this question here but hope someone
can help me out...
saw on one of the indigo girls web pages that they are playing three
nights at red rocks in denver, co.  (july 17, 18, 19.)  ticketmaster
only shows one show being on the 17th.
does anyone know if they are actually playing on the 18th and 19th? and
when tix might go on sale?  the tix for the 17th just went on sale
friday with no warning!  i'm afraid i missed good seats..
please e-mail me asap if you have any info...
kevin.mcgauley@worldnet.att.net

thank you!

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subject:      sharing of the sun???

ok, so my friend is driving me home, and the dj on the radio says that they
will be playing an ig song next.  so i am getting very excited as i sit
through the commercials on the radio, this will be the first time that i have
heard an ig song on the radio.  they play shame on you and i get very
excited, i turn the volume up and sing along.  but much to my dismay after
they play the song...the dj says that the song is from the album sharing of
the sun...i could not believe what i was hearing....well i just though i
would share...

mindala

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may 21
indymike@falcon.cc.ukans.edu (mike enebach)
happy 23rd, mike!

may 23
steinike@mace.cc.purdue.edu (sue steinike)
happy 27th, sue!

may 23
meylin@aol.com (cathy)
happy 26th, cathy!

may 25
wlee@indy1.calarts.edu (wendell lee)
happy 22nd, wendell!

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on sun, 18 may 1997, seona wrote:

> wild...right?  =)  her interviews sometimes seem somewhat urgent and/or
> fervent when she is talking about political injustice. (sorry, but i
> don't have an exact source for ya, but wouldn't everyone agree?...oh,
> yeah, check the atlanta mag article back in march 1997, where she's on
> the reporter describes her while she's speaking on the phone.)
do you have an extra copy of this article,by any chance, or would you be
willing to run off a copy for me?  this wuunderfulll (sarcasm dripping)
college of mine doesn't seem to think that back issue copies of atlanta
are very important.  i would appreciate it alot.
thanks,
amy cason

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i was reading the ig newsgroup - came across two interesting items that
haven't appeared on the list. thought i'd share them.

(reposted without permission)

the first post deals with amy's comments in s&s and rdr.

"interest in this thread seems to be winding down, but i figured folks
might be interested in hearing the other side of the story since perry
doesn't have the luxury of being interviewed for a print mag.  i spoke at
length with him last night, and the story is this.  a few years back,
when the first ig boot was getting
ready to come out, amy and cooper seay came into the store and perry
pulled amy aside to ask her about her position on bootlegs.  if she
objected to them, he said, he wouldn't carry them.  rdr has always done a
great business in the official stuff (and, btw, sells more daemon music
than *any* store in america) and didn't *need* the income from the boots.
amy not only didn't object, but said that she knew that perry would do the
right thing with the income, i.e. put it back into the community.  before
she left, he told her that if she ever saw anything on rdr shelves to
which she objected, to come to him and they would be gone immediately,
with apologies.  amy agreed, and perry proceeded under that understanding.

fast forward.  a couple of weeks ago, russell carter called perry and was
quite rude in his demand that rainy day quit "manufacturing"  bootlegs.
perry explained to him that he didn't have the resources to make boots,
and carter demanded to know, then, where perry had gotten them.  folks,
amy had been in the store just the previous day.  anyway, perry refused to
"name sources"  which evidently pissed her off more, even though she
couldn't be troubled to talk to perry herself, and then the s&s interview
came out.  all in all, pretty disappointing if you ask me.  perry's
confused and mad.  as to amy "withdrawing her support" from the store,
perry says he never knew he had it in the first place.  can't lose friends
you never had.  i've been an igs fan for eight years, but i can't see
supporting musicians who get fat record deals then beat up on little
record stores trying to put dinner on the table.  musicians, moreover,
whose moral stands (posturings?) used to make me hope they were about more
than greed.  anyhow, i'm shutting up on the topic for now.  if you need
more info, rdrs website is at http://rainy.com - perry said he wanted a
chance to clear the air, so e-mail is welcome."

john

another post.....they were present at an interview prior to auburn.

       "i just got back from the show here at auburn university and have
yet to come down from the high.  :) while the show was as wonderful as
we've all come to expect them to be (i've yet to be disappointed in an ig
concert) i got a couple extra surprises with this show.  the show was
starting at 8 pm and at 4:45 pm i called a friend of mine who i work with
at our college radio station (wegl 91.1 fm - if you're ever in town :) ).
she informed me that she was going to be going over to the coliseum at 5
to get an interview with the girls for her specialty show and i could come
with her if i wanted.  needless to say, i there five minutes later.  :)
        after about an hour of watching amy and emily do their sound
checks (it amazes me how many guitars they go through in a single show),
their promotions guy came out and told us to come on back.  the next
thirty minutes are still a blur.  the whole experience was kind of
surreal.  it was so weird to hear the voices i've gotten used to emanating
from my speakers coming out of real human beings!  they are both amazing
people.  emily is as quiet and gentle as her songs suggest and amy is as
energetic and talkative as hers suggest.  it's been a long time since i've
seen two celebrities with such friendly, caring,and genuine personalities
as the girls have.
        during our interview, at one point, the internet came up and i
asked them if they ever dropped in on this newsgroup out of curiosity.  it
turns out that they are not very involved with the internet (other than
providing material for the epic site).  when i described to them how
protective and supportive this group is of them, they were both very
touched (especially emily :) ).  i thought ya'll might be interested in
knowing that.
        they interview went entirely too quickly, but as they were going,
i asked if they would take a request.  i asked, due to the time of year
and the fact that they were in alabama, if they would play "southland in
the springtime" for me.  emily looked at amy for a second and then turned
back and said, "yeah, i think we can do that."  now i readied myself for
the fact that they might not remember or might not have the time to fit it
into the concert, so i had sufficiently prepared myself for the
possibility of disappointment.  about ten minutes before the end of the
show.  they were both tuning their guitars a little and emily said "now we
haven't been practicing this, but we'd like to play this song.  we love
coming to the south.  it's so beautiful . . ."  at that point, they began
playing sits and the crowd went nuts (especially me!  :) )
        i don't think i'm going to come off of this cloud for a week or
two.  the girls never cease to amaze me, and every day i'm thankful that
they are here.  i just thought that i needed to share that with someone,
and i figured that you guys would understand better than anyone else.  i
hope you were able to share some of my joy."

peace and days of indigo,
kerry

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on mon, 19 may 1997, (mindy hirsch) wrote:

> ok, so my friend is driving me home, and the dj on the radio says that they
> will be playing an ig song next.  so i am getting very excited as i sit
> through the commercials on the radio, this will be the first time that i have
> heard an ig song on the radio.  they play shame on you and i get very
> excited, i turn the volume up and sing along.  but much to my dismay after
> they play the song...the dj says that the song is from the album sharing of
> the sun...i could not believe what i was hearing....well i just though i
> would share...
>
oh my god! protest! call in! march!

picket!

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subject:      bury my heart tabs??

hi,
     i am looking for the tabs for the song "bury my heart at wounded knee."
if anyone has them could you please send them to me?  it would be greatly
appreciated.  thanks.

kira.

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subject:      k's choice in columbus

if you live in the columbus area (or anywhere close for that
matter) and would like a free ticket to see k's choice tonight (5/19)
at ludlow's -- let me know -- i have one.
i'll check my email again around 545pm ohio time.
alycia

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on mon, 19 may 1997 atlmouse@aol.com wrote:

> date: mon, 19 may 1997 09:16:32 -0400
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> subject: auburn review???
>
> i was supposed to go to auburn, but blew it off for the chastain show next
> sunday...
> anybody gonna give us a review????
> waiting patiently...
> ~~robin
> atlnouse@aol.com
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the auburn concert was wonderful!  it was just the two of them.  they told
the audience that they had been practicing with the band and that the
band
would join them for the rest of the tour. it was actually very intimate
and personal.  emily did a cover - patty loveless' "here i am" and they
sang "southland in the springtime" at the audience's request.  the best
experience of a lifetime- that's my review....i wouldn't have blown it
off.  i know that the atlanta shows will be great homecoming shows, but to
me there is nothing like a&e and just their guitars.  i wish everyone
could have been there.
emily

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subject:      ig in nyc

there is an indigo girls concert at madison square garden on june 3, and
there is a lilith fair date during the summer at jones beach (i forgot the
exact date).

mindala

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just got the new copy of rolling stone today, and rs finally reviewed sots.
i won't make any comments on it, draw your own conclusions . . . .

as always, copied without permission and all typos are mine.
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shaming of the sun
indigo girls - 2 stars (out of five, classifies it as a "fair" record)

it's been more than a decade since indigo girls amy ray and emily saliers
left emory university and ventured out into the harsh, cruel world, but to
judge from their new album, shaming of the sun, they're still reeling from
the shock.  "the white-haired men have gathered, spilling their sons' blood
like table wine," saliers croons in the plainitive ballad "everything in its
own time."  in "burn all the letters," she warns us: "the government's on
the phone . . . soldiers are coming to plunder."  bummer.

as always, there are two distinct types of indigo girls songs: saliers',
which are tender, folky and earnest, and ray's, which are gritty, folky and
earnest (though a bit more playful).  neither type is entirely insufferable,
thanks to the girls' disarming candor and warmth.  no one could deny the
exotic sexiness of ray's "cut it out" or the ingratiating guitar-pop bounce
of saliers' "it's alright", on of several songs that openly address
homosexual issues and desires.   both women are to be admired for their
fearless and sensuous depiction of female lovers, from lost dreamer slaiers'
wistful, violin-laced "caramia" to the wacky sadomasochist in ray's driving
"don't give that girl a gun."

still, indigo girls' overwrought intensity can be cloying.  personal
confession adn social protest have rich traditions in pop music, of course,
but not every mooney coed who strums a guitar in a campus coffeehouse grows
up to be bob dylan or joni mitchell.  indigo girls may have their
earth-sister charms, but they've yet to make music that's rounded enough to
reflect life in the real world.  _elysa gardner
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i knew i said no comments from the peanut gallery, but this review kinda
pissed me off.

oh well, can't please everybody.

peace,
mandi

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date:         mon, 19 may 1997 17:26:07 -0500
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well, i'm finally back and still glowing!  the concert last night was
amazing!  i don't have the set list, but they played most of the new album,
as well as a number of other things.  encore was chiapas bound with a verse
of some other song stuck in the middle, emily covering a patty loveless
song, and closer to fine.  the audience sang along loud and clear on
everything, and emily and amy both seemed really surprised that we did.  :)
i'm very proud of y'all.  :)  in my opinion, the highlight of the show was
"reunion".  amy broke a string during the song, and for some reason, they
just sounded *so* perfect singing it.  i don't even know why, but i loved
it.  a question for everyone else who was there...was it just a dream, or
did emily actually break a string last night?????  that could have been my
dream, but ya never know...

for the fashion police, amy was wearing the same thing she's worn at almost
every show, and emily was wearing a blue or black t-shirt and black jeans.
(i think.)  someone correct me if i'm wrong.  as for the pre-show dinner at
applebees, after sitting down with a big group of people who turned out not
to be from the list (*poke*poke* sarah....) ;), we had a blast!  i met lots
of great people, and everyone seemed to be having a good time.  except the
waitress.  ;)

well, my mind's pretty much a mess from the 4 hour drive home today, but
i'm still in a euphoric state.  :)))
sue

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subject:      bury my heart crds

"emily": (sing freely)

d                           a
indian legislation's on the desk of a do-right congressman

d                                g
but he don't know much about the issues so he

a
picks up the phone and asks the advice of the

d              bm
senator out in indian country, a

g              a
darling of the energy companies

        bm                  g           a
they're ripping off what's left of the reservation


"amy": (with more rhythm)

             a                           bm
i learned this safety rule i don't know who to thank

            a                f#m             bm
don't stand between the reservation and the corporate bank

               a                       f#m                 bm they're
sendin federal tanks, it isn't nice, but it's reality

chorus:

(no chord)              d       c   g
bury my heart at wounded knee

                         d   c   g
i said deep in the earth

                            d            c   g
won't you cover me with your pretty lies

                        d     c   g
bury my heart at wounded knee


               a                                 bm
they got these energy companies they're tryin to steal our land
                           (or: who want to take our land)

         a                  f#m         bm
they got churches by the dozen tryin to guide our hand

a                                   (f#m?)          bm
and turn our mother earth over to pollution war and greed

get rich, get rich quick

chorus (with echoing bmhawk's?)

"jerry marotta":

we've got the federal books, we've got the covert spies
         (or: federal marshals)
they got the liars by fire they got the fbi
they go to court and get nailed and still leonard peltier goes off to jail

the bullets didn't match the gun

chorus (with echoing bmhawk's - "bury my heart at wounded knee; it was an
eigth of the reservation; it was transferred in secret; you got your
murdering heart and intimidation; bury my heart at wounded knee") (or: you
got your murder and intimidation, etc...)

we're talking about a revolution

my girlfriend anna may, she talked about uranium
her head was full of bullets and her body dumped
the fbi cut off her hands and told us she died of exposure

chorus

bury me bury me

we had the gold rush wars, why didn't we learn to crawl?
and now our history gets written in a liar's scrawl.
they tell me

[no chord]

honey you can still be an indian, i mean, you know, wear those little
moccasins and play those bingo games down at the y on a saturday night.
("bullshit", except i think amy says "right" on compg's)

and they should...
chorus ("...you're going to cover me with your pretty lies...")

chorus ("...it's an eigth...etc...heart and intimidation...")

'bury my heart' repeated at end.

first voice stays on low d, second does "bur" and "heart" on f and "y my"
on  e, third does "bur" and "heart" on a and "y my" on g, and a last voice
can do the high d for "bur" and "heart" and c for "y my" so it's:


dm  c/d  dm
bur y my heart

repeated over and over again. this is pretty much a guess and may be an
approxiamtion of the actual sining or may embellish it. whatever. you
might try tuning the low e to d and playing the normal d and then c
chords over it with the open bass string allowed to ring.

notes: for the verse, i think the f#m's are sometimes there and sometimes
not. and listen to the recording for the syncopated strumming pattern.
it's kooky.
_
|_  a s e y

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hello everyone,

this is my first post. new to the list. i've enjoyed reading the posts so far
but i thought it was time for me to come out of lurker mode.  :)

anyway, i was wondering if anyone has an extra ticket available for the blossom
music center ( near cleveland ) june 12th show. i just found out that the band
won't be touring with the lilith fair until august and i want to catch them by
themselves before they come to pgh on august 12. btw, is anyone planning on
making the trip to this show from pgh?

thanks in advance and take care all.

dave.

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in-reply-to:  <m0wtaua-00005oe@mail.airmail.net>; from "mandi martin" at may
              19, 97 5:01 pm

sooo, who's going to explain how cut it out "addresses homosexual issues" and
how don't give that girl a gun is "sadomasochistic"?
kirsten
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;;a good idea. it is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could
;;be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead."--ross callon

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subject:      target sampler

thank you to the many offers- i had several offers, and have sold my cd.
if anyone else wants me to go out and buy them one, i could do that, but
just so you know the sampler is no longer available!

~andy

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hey-
   i have been reading all of the posts about sys's meaning.  here's how i
take it.  i was watching a show on the discovery channel about a religion
that's a bunch of christains who worship by taunting snakes (they don't call
it taunting, i think something like serphant handling, but to me it was
taunting) they sometimes speak in tounges while handling them "i'm speaking
in tongues, handling you.  i've got religion. now look at this."  it all
makes sense to me.  the serphant is supposedly considered evil in the
religion, and if it doesn't bite, you are living your life under god
correctly.  there's more to the song and what it means, but i think you can
get the jist of it........
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hi kiddies,

i haven't read my list mail for a week or so, so forgive me if i've missed
something.  i just read lisa's pleas for info re:  a chastain park get
together.  right after tix went on sale for the 5/23 show, several listees
e-mailed me about a get-together.  one idea is to migrate, after the 5/23
show, to the red light cafe to see someone special perform (provided that
person is still scheduled to perform).  i would also be interested in getting
together for dinner, drinks, fellowship with some fellows listees before the
5/23 show.  as far as i know, i will not be going to the 5/24 show (sat), but,
i will be in town all day, and i would very much like to hike stone mountain
that day.  it's 1.5 miles and steep, but it's fun.  so, if there are any takers,
e-mail me and maybe we can organize a carpool and little hike or something on
saturday.  does anyone know if anyone of interest to us on the list might be playing
at eddie's attic?  will anyone like kristin hall or caroline aiken or michelle
malone be playing anywhere in town on saturday night?  if so, do tell and tell
soon, okay? as for me, i'm kind of thinking that i'd like to do some sightseeing,
hiking, record shopping, bar-hopping, bowling, etc.  i'm open to suggestion...

peace,

joan :-d

p.s. - i'm looking forward to getting together with everyone that has written
me about this show :)

p.p.s. - rich benson - i filed your e-mail and forgot to reply.  i'll write you
before you leave for chastain...

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this goes out to emily. remember 1145 villa drive in atlanta? i thought
you had hit my car or some other crazy thing. i thought mistakenly that
you were some sort of low life. what a hoot!?! later on we became
friends. my daughter, ariel, would come up to your apartment and you
would teach her guitar and sing together. you and amy would have her sit
up with you at local gigs.  one night, i had a date to go to the elton
john's reggae is back press release party in atlanta. i came up to your
place to get a copy of your demo with the promise that i would pass it
on to someone who could do something with it. i met ej and his producer
and talked you up to ej's producer and gave him your tape. since that
time, we've lost touch. i moved out and you all moved up. you are great.
ariel and i both share our love of your music. on our roadtrips we play
your tapes and sing and feel very free. i've been trying to make contact
with you since that time. i just think it would be really cool for ariel
to spend some little time with you. i understand you will be in detroit
this summer.
ariel thinks fondly of the time you spent with her. can you believe she
is 20 years old now and finally broke the 5' level. she is beautiful and
talented as only a mother can say.  love, sandra kirkland    e-mail:
kirkcom@glasscity.net.

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call me bitter but.......

was anyone else dissapointed when they read the winning lyric?
don't get me wrong....it was amazing....i loved it.....
its just that i was under the impression that it was a songwriting contest...
that looks more like a poem.....
i wanted that concert at my school so bad i could taste it.
i sent in a song.
i coulda sent in a much better poem but i *assumed* a lyric contest would
cater to entries with a more song-like quality....
*sigh*
my dreams were crushed once again.....
but it *was* a great poem, so please dont flame me.
its just that im sad b/c i wanted a concert :)
anyway......
tell me what you think if you too sent in a song....

my two scents *sniff* *sniff*

megon
"bonanza jellybean"

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hey all,

just wanted to say good job to the one
who figured out the 115 you are 17 thing was
of the 115 snakes north of mexico 17 are venomous.
very smart.

cindy

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i don't have the url, but it's definitely worth stopping by the scholastic
site to see the winning ig lyric entry. it's incredible, and i'm so glad
that somebody won who is capable of such intense writing.
i'm ready to crawl under a rock thinking how bad my entry was in
comparison--i sincerely hope it never made its way into the hands of amy or
emily! so, ashley tillery, if you're out there on the list, congratulations!

:) abigail


"taken out of context i must seem so strange"

~ani difranco

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>shaming of the sun
>indigo girls - 2 stars (out of five, classifies it as a "fair" record)

well rolling stone hates the indigo girls so this hardly surprises me.
guess it's about time i canceled that subscription.  i mean the album isn't
my favorite at all but two stars is harsh in my opinion.

>it's been more than a decade since indigo girls amy ray and emily saliers
>left emory university and ventured out into the harsh, cruel world, but to
>judge from their new album, shaming of the sun, they're still reeling from
>the shock.

this is one of the funniest lines i have read in a review in ages.  i was
totally rotflmao.  i mean how true is that statement--be honest now--the
girls are definitely still reeling from life's hardships.  we must take
these reviews with a grain of salt.  i laughed and laughed because the
girls are--let's face it--a tad depressed at times.  even they joke about
it.


>"the white-haired men have gathered, spilling their sons' blood
>like table wine," saliers croons in the plainitive ballad "everything in its
>own time."  in "burn all the letters," she warns us: "the government's on
>the phone . . . soldiers are coming to plunder."  bummer.

this is even more hysterical.  bummer huh huh! (insert beavis tone)

>indigo girls may have their
>earth-sister charms, but they've yet to make music that's rounded enough to
>reflect life in the real world.

ok this i have a problem with.  i agree that the more recent albums are a
tad more abstract and out there.  however songs like watershed and strange
fire (surprise surprise) and love will come to you are all too real for my
world!  i don't know what real world this reviewer is in but older ig
certainly reflects the real world.  this reviewer obviously needs a wake up
call despite the large vocabulary she has and the rockin sense of humor.
bummer!

greg

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in a message dated 97-05-19 22:14:28 edt, rolling stone wrote:
(from the review in rs)
<< the white-haired men have gathered, spilling their sons' blood
like table wine," saliers croons in the plainitive ballad "everything in its
own time."  in "burn all the letters," she warns us: "the government's on
the phone . . . soldiers are coming to plunder."  bummer. >>

i think this kind of reflects the general cynicism that is passing for
popular culture these days.
bill is prez, the econonmy's great ect.....!!!
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, or that dineh' elder
who is being relocated, or the south american peasants who are
paying the price for our cheap consumer goods and healthy 401k's.
i gotta respect those two women for having the guts to look
and tell us about it. i take that over a sullen post modern
poser anyday, white middle class angst can be so tiresome...
at least the girls and their audience can get past that.

ta !
claire
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  (i let you slide about an hour ago...)"
laura nyro............................................

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subject:      re: rainy day and amy ray...

ummm can we please let this subject drop?  i think it's been beaten, hashed
and filleted enough for all of us to have supper on it.......  it's over &
done with, nothing will change and we will just have to get our boots from
each other!

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
   member - ssim yknib naf bulc
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'cause i'm gay..." - e. saliers
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a. ray
"mothers tell your children/be quick you must be strong/life is full of
wonder/love is never wrong..." - m. etheridge
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hi again,

is anyone not suprised by the review in rolling stone of the ig's sots? it
seems that every band i like, they do not like.  i for one am not shocked and
everyone else here should not take them seriously. the album is awesome. all of
the previous albums are awesome. i've learned to deal with the "music machine"
-  ie. the commercial music machine and those that try to shove this garbage
down our throats.

one thing that does frustrate me is the fact that someone will actually read
that review and make a decision based upon it. an "educated" decision in their
mind. totally off base in our minds. my friend is one of those people. it's sad
really. some of the five star crap that comes out of their
reviews............enough. sorry. i'm pissed too.

off the soapbox for now.

dpm

"purposeful motion
for one so insane"
geddy lee-1977

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we are anxiously awaiting a date!!!

can anyone shed some light on the possibility?

do we need to road trip elswhere?

help!

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date:         mon, 19 may 1997 23:53:34 -0400
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hi all!
my fav and oft-repeated line from the movie broadcast news is, "wouldn't it
be nice if desperation and insecurity were attractive? if 'needy' were a
turn on?" until now that line has meant those ploys didn't work, but judging
from the answers to my pitiful post, "desperation and insecurity" have a
place on the ig list. ;-) thanks for the replies! i have received an
invitation to the birthday party. (if you didn't read my previous post, you
don't know what the hell i'm talkin about, do ya?)

anyway, i vote we get together at raine's preshow fri night at least--a
potluck? i'm including that info again, just in case:

>so. feeling that there are awesome people out there just waiting to be met,
>and that i need to do my duty, i can offer my feeble dwelling as a get
>together spot, unless of course someone else steps forward with a better
>offer. *grin* now beware, even though i *did* just buy furniture (arriving
>wednesday, wahoo!)those interested in a get together, email me and let me
know what day you'd like
>to have it, and when .. i personally wouldn't be averse to getting together
>every day before the concert, my apt can handle it, but that's just my
>opinion. let's hear about you. email me so i can get a consensus.
>let the email begin...
>raine@area51.homecom.com
>raine

i'd also be up for doing something after, as joan suggested:

> one idea is to migrate, after the 5/23
>show, to the red light cafe to see someone special perform (provided that
>person is still scheduled to perform).

hiking sounds like a blast, too.  let the fun begin. i, for one, will be
oh-so-ready.
anyone second these ideas? (mmm..but does seconding work? someone seconded
the sotw and we never did get back to soy :) see ya'll soon!
peace,
lisa
"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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date:         tue, 20 may 1997 00:46:39 edt
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subject:      sots

i like sots. i like their openess and honesty and just plain nold good
music. ig keeps getting better every year, like pearl jam does. pj's
last album, no code, which i think is their best album because it's
mature soudig got bad reviews. probably because they didn't do a video.
oh, well.

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this elysa person obviously is clueless. ok i admit we don't have
shaming of the sun hier yet but i doubted she knew where the ig came from.

it's really strange rolling stone never seems to like the girls. they
never got more than 3 and a half stars, and can you believe it's "back to
the bus y'all" that got them. what are these people thinking.


"i always think if you got a guitar that means you're a protest singer"
                                                  _the smiths_

han

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on mon, 19 may 1997 mmedido@aol.com wrote:
> i gotta respect those two women for having the guts to look
> and tell us about it. i take that over a sullen post modern
> poser anyday, white middle class angst can be so tiresome...
> at least the girls and their audience can get past that.
>
okay guys, all together now:
i am so middle class!
i am so middle class!
(geez...)

well, we all know nothing like soy and sb has ever happened in real
life...
ha! who were those girls kidding?

*********************
lamah rag'shu goyim
ul'umim yeh'gu rik?
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

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some wise man (or woman) once said:

"a critic is the result of creativity - not his own."


critiques of music (particularly in rolling stone) are written by self-important
sloths who, for some unexplained reason, think they are a superior judge of
what's coming out their speakers.

all music reviews are subjective...except for reviews of the bee gees.


rob sticka

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does anyone happen to have an extra ticket for this show??????  i just
found out i can have that day off work if i want it, and i'd love to go to
the show...  anyone????
*hoping*
sue :)

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subject:      you too can be a wacky sadomasochist!!! (chastain igc)

wow, okay, so can we agree that we live in the greatest country in the world,
if for no other reason than i can publicly say the bee gee's blow and this dude
from the rolling stone can say that dgtgag is about wacky sadomasochism?

free speech! gotta love it! ;)

bwahahah!

anyway, could anyone who is going to the chastain shows (besides my most faboo
tour guidesses susan and jocelyn and the superlative deb reiser) pleeeze e me!
i am really confused about all the plans that are being made and i'd like to at
least find out where all y'all are sitting so we can find you if all else fails

thanks hoochies!

sus
try to avoid throwing up in your hair, as much as possible

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dpm wrote:
> is anyone not suprised by the review in rolling stone of the ig's sots?
it
> seems that every band i like, they do not like.

i've got to agree here...for as long as i can remember, rolling stone
critics have panned the albums i like (and films, too).  i stopped my
subscription a few years back and this was one of the reasons--just didn't
seem like the mag. for me.

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subject:      re: rolling stone sots review- sigc

well, i have spent the last several days painting ceilings, etc. in our soon
to be new to us house, with plenty of time to think.  batl has acquired new
meaning for me personally.. i spent mother's day with some older relatives
with whom i have not had much contact.  i discovered that my aunt at age 13
went to hitler's germany with her grandmother in 1938.  they barely made it
back out, and she has some pretty frightening stories.

batl also brings to mind the "witch hunts" that took place when i was in the
service.  so-called "paranoia" was a vital mindset to staying out of the brig
and avoiding dishonorable discharges.  frankly, no one in those circumstances
would have taken the chance to write a daggone letter.

the point of these subjective wanderings??  they are simply personal
snapshots of a "real world" that the rs reviewer has had the incredible
fortune to have not experienced.. lucky woman.  even luckier, she seems to
have a job that actually pays money to someone who is floating around in an
opaque bubble.   talk about up on an airplane...

i hope no one bursts it for her.  individuals who reach adulthood without
realizing that war, etc. are "real" would probably not be able to tolerate
certain discoveries.  bummer, dudette.

gee - who knows?  maybe she was just going with the pc thingie - it is
admirable (at the moment - quite groovy) to be pro-gay, but the 60's took
care of any government sanctioned violence, and to concern ourselves with
such is sooo obsolete?

oh - this all reminds me of the review that was in the richmond
times-dispatch of the girls several years ago.  that writer also used the
term "angst", but felt that one needs a thesaurus to understand the lyrics.
umm... what-in-the-world-word requires a daggone thesaurus, pray tell??

finally, at that concert (in richmond) they did neil young's southern man..
not alone tho.. it was great.  maybe one of neil's words requires a
thesaurus.

argh.  going to paint yet another ceiling.
kathy

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subject:      re: sh*tty day...warning: depressing content
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hello all.  i just wanted to say thank you thank you.  i love you all!  your
support has been overwhelming, to say the least.  i lost count at 47
responses....god only knows how many i've actually gotten.

i do feel better...i don't cry myself to sleep now, but i still miss that big
stupid mutt.  guess it's just one of those things i'll have to get used to.
i think the worst has passed, and the love and support of both my
girlfriend/fiancee and all of you out there in cyber-land are appreciated
more than you'll ever know.

thank you all so much!

dawn

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subject:      re: rolling stone sots review- igc

>sooo, who's going to explain how cut it out "addresses homosexual issues" and
>how don't give that girl a gun is "sadomasochistic"?
>kirsten

trust me, with this list we'll get around to it sometime..... :-)

john.

"i cheated in the final of my metaphysics examination :
i looked into the soul of the boy sitting next to me"

woody allen

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hey everyone,
i've been lurking for a long time so i thought that i'd finally come out
of my shell and introduce myself. my name's auden and i'm in high school
(i was going to skip to college but my rents didn't think it was a good
idea) but i can't stand it, little preppies prancing around w/ their
polo shirts (lets just say that we're not good friends) but i've been
listening to the indigo girls since i was 10 (when i was wearing gap
stuff and and would've died if i saw someone like me walking around)
when my mom  bought it for me for my birthday and i have to say, the
indigo girls changed my life and i'm a totally different person then i
was then, so i don't know what i'd do without them.  anyone else here
listen to ani difranco or dar williams? isn't
"hey kind friend" suppossed to be about ani and some other people? is
anyone else going to lilith fair in shakopee mn? -auden

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subject:      re: rolling stone

geez. i mean that review was obviously written by someone who had his mind
made up before listening. i stopped subscribing to rs long ago because i
thought it had grown way besides-the-point and sold out. the girls are much
too intelligent for rs.

still, it pisses me off too. i'm a journalist. the reviewer at the paper i
work for (miami herald) doesn't really like the girls (we have exchanged
thots, shall we say, on this in the past). i was happily surprised to read he
gave sots a wonderful review the week before it was released. he listened
with an open mind even though they might not be his cup of tea.

he's mature. the rs reviewer sounds like maybe he isnt.

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kate wrote,

< makes sense to me.  the serphant is supposedly considered evil in the
< religion, and if it doesn't bite, you are living your life under god
< correctly.  there's more to the song and what it means, but i think you can
< get the jist of it........

without making any comment on the review of the pentecostal service, but
in the interest of accuracy: the snake is not considered to be anything
but a snake. not being bitten is not supposed to indicated anything about
the life of the person handling the snake. it is supposed to demonstrate
that when you are in the holy spirit, that you can handle snakes without
being bitten. it is meant to be a demonstration of the presence of god. it
is meant as a proof of the existence of god just as speaking in tongues is
meant as a proof of the existence of god. speaking in tongues comes from
the day of pentecost, when the deciples spoke in tongues after being filled
with the holy spirit. i don't know were the custom of handling serpents
comes from. i do know that sometime people do get bit.


i do take exception to the comment about taunting snakes. these people are
usually ignorant, but they are rarely childish and cruel. taunting to me
implies doing something intentionally cruel to amuse yourself. these people
are not doing anything with express intent of being cruel to the snake, and
they're certainly not doing it for personal amusement.

sincerely,

trant

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hey, i think that rolling stone is a great magazine and they do some
good review but alot of them get sick of what they do and they did a
good review of ani difranco's new album living in clip. just when you
think that there's going to be a few more pages to the article, they cut
it off. my friend knows someone who got fired cause he wouldn't do a
hootie and the blowfish review so at least some of the actually have
some taste and are good at their job, it's gotten way too overpublicized
(like any nude celebrity on the cover) but other than that it's a cool
magazine -auden

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subject:      great woods tickets

i have three tickets available for the show
at great woods:

section ii, row x, seats 45,46,47

cost per ticket: $28.50 + $4.75 (ticketmaster charge)

e-mail me if interested.

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hi everyone!

i am going to the chastain concert on 5/25! :):):) has a list get together
been arranged before the show?  if not, anyone interested?

forever indigo,

dawn

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subject:      indigo wav files

i had today off of work and i was bored out of my skull this morning, so i
made a whole bunch of indigo wav files. i'm in the process of uploading
them to my webpage, but does anyone want a sample wav file? e me and i'll
be happy to send you one.

(my fav: "i keep fucking up..."   sounds everytime i make a mistake on my
'puter!!)

-liz-

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hey kind friends!

        i've seen the many posts re: the atlanta get togethers, shows,
etc... and want to throw my hat into the ring as well :)
        i'll be meeting up with pj harris from seattle and penelope dodd
from australia on friday morning in atlanta.  friday, saturday, and sunday
nights we'll be staying at the garden house b&b in decatur.  on thursday
night pj and penelope are staying at bonnie edwards in decatur and monday
night all three of us plan to stay at bonnie's.
        oh yeah, pj and penelope are interested in hooking up at eddie's or
red light or someplace thursday night with anyone who's in atlanta at that
point.

       being the big gossip that i am, i'll tell y'all what else i know re:
other's plans, as well:

        "senator" susan b. marine and deb reiser are staying with susan and
jocelyn in decatur.  deb and i are arriving at the atlanta airport at the
same time and i've offered to give her a ride to s&j's in decatur (if that's
okay with you s&j?  i thought it might save y'all some time ;)
        btw s&j could you get us some info on nature hikes and good beer
places (like brew pubs or micro-breweries - many thanks!!)
        emily monteer is going to the friday night show (and maybe sunday).
oh did i mention that my partners in crime - pj, penelope and i will be at
all 3 shows.  i heard deb r. will be attending all 3 shows, but i beleive
sbm is only going friday and saturday...correct?? s&j y'all are going to all
3 shows too, right?
        amy sanders is rocking and has offered up her crib for a friday (and
sat and sun??) pre-concert gathering which i'm all up for :) :) hey amy,
could you send me your tel # so we can contact you when we arrive?
        friday night, after the ig show us 3 goheads plan to meet julie
goldman and shannon at the red light cafe to see michelle malone (about
midnight).  anyone else going? :)
        saturday i'd like to suggest that everyone meet at emily's flying
biscuit in decatur in the early afternoon (3-4??) for lunch and a
pre-concert gathering :)

****   oh yeah, i have an extra ticket for saturday night's ig show with a
table close to the stage (table 98) on the amy side and seating me,
penelope, pj, julie, shannon and ______??  let me know if you're interested
in *the* ticket ;) *****  joan m. did you need a ticket?
        de de vogt is playing at eddie's attic saturday night (early tho and
conflicting with the girls show :o)  sunday at 7:30 mm is playing at eddie's
and pj wants to skip lift on sunday and see mm instead...it seems like a
possibility...any thoughts pen?
        pj and myself (and i think penelope, as well) are interested in
hiking (stone mountain with joan morrison was it?) and doing some nature
stuff.  we also want to go to the martin luther king, jr. museum.
        us three musketeers will be in atlanta until tuesday morning and our
sunday afternoon and all day monday schedules are basically open.  although
i was somewhat interested in a day trip to athens & uga.  and i mentioned
the possibilty of barbecueing at a park or something on monday (memorial
day) to julie and shannon who thought that was a possibility.  i can cook
chicken and turkey for all of you non-red meat eaters!! ;)
        joan morrison suggested "as for me, i'm kind of thinking that i'd
like to do some sightseeing, hiking, record shopping, bar-hopping, bowling,
etc.  i'm open to suggestion..."  i like the *bowling idea*..that sounds
like it would make for an interesting list gathering!! what do y'all think?

        oh yes, in response to susib's request - pj, pen and i are sitting at:

friday - rhs orchestra, row s, seats 92-92 (even no.)
saturday - table 98
sunday - table 213

        let us know where y'all are sitting too (if you have the time :o) so
we can hook-up at the concert, also! :)

        can't wait to meet all you wacky sadomasochistic types! ;)

i       tony, da chickenman - houston, texas, usa       g
n                                                       i
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g       us away to our extinction -  emily              s
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doos anybody know which issue of rolling stone the review is in, and also how
i can get a copy of the winning contest lyrics???  thank you

mindala

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according to the lf web site, ig will be appearing at the raleigh (july
30th) and charlotte (july 31st) stops of the tour. tickets for both shows
go on sale may 31st.

previously it had been announced that they were only doing the shows from
aug 5th - aug 25th so take it for what it's worth.

deb

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     i missed most of the conversation, so if this is previously covered
     material, i apologize.

        snake handling was derived neither from a desire to overcome evil
     nor from a desire to prove god's existence, though both of these lines
     of thinking have, no doubt, been widely considered by practicing snake
     handlers.  in the gospel according to mark, chapter 16, verses 17&18
     christ states as part of the "great commission" (his final command and
     exhortation to his disciples before he left the earth):

        "and these signs will accompany those who believe:  in my name they
     will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick
     up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will
     not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people and
     they will get well."

     so snake handlers believe their practice to be, first of all, direct
     obedience to the final commandment of christ; secondly, a
     demonstration of and a testimony to their belief; and thirdly - as
     both an act of obedience and faith - a means of laying their life and
     inner self at the feet (the mercy) of christ.  (it has been said that,
     just as "moses raised up the serpent in the wilderness" [john 3 &
     numbers 21], so snake handling raises up the serpent as a physical,
     ceremonial yet emotional, image of mankind's utter dependence on
     christ for life [ie - life eternal]  seen in this light, snake
     handling is an almost beautiful, if somewhat misconceived, expression
     of the childlike faith which the more emotional strains of
     protestantism hold as their cardinal virtue.)  snake handling is
     simply an expression of faith, not a syllogism.  (god can control
     snakes.  god loves me.  god's love for me keeps me safe.  therefore
     god.)  quite the contrary, you would never set foot in an appalachian
     pentecostal church and pick up a snake before you decided there was a
     god.  god is  a foregone conclusion, and the conclusion is facilitated
     by faith ("the substance of things hoped for." [hebrews 11].) not
     proof.  and faith - certainty beyond knowledge -  is the thing that is
     both on trial and exhibit in a snake handling service.

     so many of the girl's lyrics are predicated on biblical imagery, and
     more specifically, a critique of southern religious tradition, that i
     am always suprised at the widespread lack of biblical knowledge among
     fans.  indeed, their brazen-faced re-use of the ideas of strange fire
     and the land of cannan first drew me to their music nine or ten years
     ago.  over and over again they kidnap the moral high ground by turning
     religious pejorative (strange fire) and homilies (noah's ark loading
     up the unclean animals "in two by twos") on their heads, growing new
     meaning from ground which southern religiosity has trampled flat from
     rushing along helter-skelter, eyes half-closed and hearing obscured,
     desperate to reach a prize it has really forgotten all about.  the
     rushing has become the important bit, and the girl's music like a
     siren, screams at those who rush by to wake up, be human, and think
     for a moment about what they believe. (or amy's a siren, emily is more
     like a siren.)

        ok, i'm through for the moment.  sorry i railed on so.

                        -kent

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i just thought that some folks on this list might find humor in this.  if
you don't, please don't hesitate to flame, but please mark your subject
appropriately...  ;^)

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yeah! what tony said! *grin*

big ole sum-up:

thursday pm: get together at eddies or red light for those who want to.

friday-
early pre-show: i'm thinking this might be the best time for a get together
at my apt. the atlanta residents could contribute to the menu and we'll all
hang out. i'm thinking between 5-6? sound good?? that'll give us some time,
but still get everyone to the concert on time. my tix are for sat, so
whoever wants to stay, can.
post-show: red light cafe for michelle malone

saturday-
day: stone mtn / flying biscuit
post show: ? i'm thinking a fun bar with ambiance, rich has already told me
he  _must_ buy susan b marine a beer, so we must accomodate! suggestions
please, i've no idea of a good place. s&j, that will be your assignment *grin*

sunday-
eddie's attic .. who knows when/who.. up in the air.

my home number for anyone who wants it:
(404) 605-0299

directions to my apt:

going n on the connector 75/85 downtown:
- when the 75/85 splits, take 75.
- take the howell mill road exit
- take a right on howell mill rd
- take a left on collier rd (about 1/2 mile,
mcdonalds'/felini's/blockbuster at intersection)
- go about 3/4 mile, turn rt into georgian hills apartments
- there's a gate at the entrance, go to the little console, and punch in
#5150, and open sesame! the gate will open
- follow the rd, take the first rt, and watch the buildings on the lft for
building #29
- i'm in #29c. knock, bear presents, and maybe i'll let you in. :)

if you're coming s on 75, follow the same directions, only turn lt on
howell mill rd after you take the exit :)

i'm looking forward to meeting everyone! atlantans and out of towners as
well! jeepers, half my loop will be here *grin*

merry tuesday,
rainishly amy


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the way i interpreted the snake motif in sys was that the line
"i'm speaking in tongues,handling you
i got religion now look at it."
was that amy was refering to handling the biblical serpent...i.e. manipulated
him rather than vice versa and that the whole bit about religion was to
reinforce her point...like she is saying "my religion is strong, i can
overcome the devil and his manipulative ways..."

and to anyone who says i'm being too analytical my response:
"yeah, i don't think amy (or emily when applicable) intended for all this
meaning, but hey, isn't discussion/debate fun?"

have a spiffy day, ya'll, celeste

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i don't know if anyone ever resolved the 1694 reference in soy, but i
figured that i would do some checking.  here's the closest thing i could
find.  it's highly possible that amy decided to do something along the
lines of what she did with swamp ophelia and make it up, but the dates are
signigicant to spanish and mexican history.  the date is also pretty
significant with some of the individuals who have ties by birth or death or
other historical significance to the same year.  just thought i'd share
that.


casa grande national monument

pre-columbian ruins in south-central arizona, u.s., in the gila valley,
immediately north of coolidge;

authorized as casa grande ruins reservation in 1889 and proclaimed as such
in 1892, the site was designated a national monument in 1918. the ruins,
discovered in 1694 by eusebio kino, a jesuit missionary, are dominated by
the extraordinary casa grande ("big house"), a four-story building
constructed of unreinforced clay and topped by an adobe watchtower. built
by salado indians in the early 14th century, it is the only pre-columbian
building of its type in existence. nearby are partially excavated village
sites established many centuries earlier by hohokam indians who practiced
farming, as attested by remains of an irrigation system. the monument
occupies 473 acres (191 hectares) and has a museum in its administration
building that displays local artifacts.
                       (see also index: hohokam culture)

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finally confirmed!!!!
august 15th at the molson amphitheatre (at ontario place) in toronto
acts are as follows....indigo girls, paula cole, shawn colvin and sarah
mclaughlin

tickets go on sale may 31, 1997 at 10:00 am at all tickemaster outlets..and
pricing will range from $19.50 to $30.00 cdn (great deal if i may say so!)

have a good one :)
marilyn
every moment of peace is worth every war behind us... emily saliers

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ummmm,

> just wanted to say good job to the one
> who figured out the 115 you are 17 thing was
> of the 115 snakes north of mexico 17 are venomous.
> very smart.

hey!  *sob*  i thought i was the one who enlightened us
all....'c-c-cause, amy *sniffle* told me so....

ya know, i teased y'all about knowing the answer, recieved a healthy
number of death threats if i didn't impart the wisdom soon enough,
finally transcribed it...and, and then this....oh, damnit anyhow.

don't mind me.

oh!  if anyone is planning on going on june 7th to see da girls at
saratoga pac, could you please email me?  this is the closest that they
will be coming to my hometown for the rest of their tour, and i need
someone to *go* with or my overprotective parents won't let me go.
("but dad!!! i'm 19 friggin years old!)

btw, did anyone inform sandra kirkland that she won't be able to get in
touch with a&e thro this list?  it was a lovely (and i do mean that)
story, but i'm afraid her efforts are kinda wasted here.  :(

lastly, if you are awaiting a trade w/ me of the psu boot/interview, i
know i've said it again and again, but this week, i will be in touch
with the finalities (is that a word?).  promise!  *crosses heart, hopes
to die, sticks a...well maybe not*

lurve,
feather

++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++**++
heather solimini (feather)
hxs171@psu.edu
lotsa stuff at http://www.personal.psu.edu/hxs171
irc: bluegirl
"i'm gonna clear my head, i'm gonna drink that sun, i'm gonna
love you good and strong while our love is good and young..."
                        --emily saliers
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subject:      re: chastain/ atlanta get togethers

man! i am so jealous. wish i could go and be there with y'all.  tony, as you
know i am there in spirit!!!! hope y'all have a great time and come back w/
some great stories.

have an indigo day!
klewis

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subject:      lyric contest winning entry (kinda long)

i thought everyone might be interested in reading this!  i think it is very
well-written, but i have to agree with the person (sorry, i forgot your name)
who commented that it resembles a poem.  i still think it's incredible!
congratulations ashley!! =)


us night
by ashley tillery, 16
booker t. washington magnet school
montgomery, alabama

if i would have known that the stars always
died beautiful i would have run toward the rockets
and burnt the churches
fully developed in the possibility
that i would stand forever young
in the mechanics of night
with my eyes turning revolutions
stuttering apologies for a drunken urban accident.
inquiries in the daze ask
do you know how to crack spines
or build eyes?
it's the same as a city, the neon blood will bleed.
boy!!! i tell you to be safe bury the footprints of
your ancestry deep beneath the asphalt
and dance with yourself at dawn on those
pregnant praying disregarded streets.
in this madness you swear you won't be remembered
but do promise to revisit the ghost of your past
once before your rebirth.
mothers tend to overreact when their children don't
come home.
we must unite all the desperate words dangling on
the tips of our tongues into a mighty cry.
we can't allow the night to slip away
without bidding it adieu
without thanking it for sheltering us when we were our most naked
and least colorful
this is true love for the shadows
i can't hide.
i will save my hour of insanity to be eaten
with the wine martyrs.
the sun has hold of me thus i pray the prayer
that posseses the eternal amen that i won't
suffer too long in the day.
why has the king sent me to slaughter?
we must recommune with all the dissidents of the hour
so as to better understand all these unsatisfactory ends.
it shall be written of us that we propagated
once more at ancient insane brothels, sacrificed
our spirits at dusty alters,
and knew it was our sisters song that haunted
us first when the sandman bit our swollen pride.
we must find something new in our space-aged
television raped lives to worship,
these imp gods aren't giving us the collective security
we desired. falling short of impossibility is the great disintegration.
we aren't mad.
let's catch the setting sun for we have miles to go before the road gives.
we must do this and move further
beyond that illusive rest invoking the
depths of the grave and letting out the dogs
all the while of our journey.
for the children who cry tears of satin
green we must for barefoot prophets turned servants
we must for the sake of our kidnapped youth we must
do these things and....
we're still moving
there are no stop signs in this chapel!
thus at its origin is a recycled end. where
are the lords of salvation here?
who will we look to now that
the myths of our yesterday
have faltered in their duties
it's apparent that the toy soldiers we
once sought now lay dismantled in
the sewers so certainly the
whores and vagabonds will inherit
the keys to the kingdom
while we who remain without
our promised thrones or feast
dig through the shelves to find
the perfection we live without.
in ths glory will raise the sunshine of
our anguish, the emergence
of a purer redemption and a cleaner virgin supplication.
how long have we suffered in this day?
we are now the cloth faced broken
reflections of an hour glass millenium, but
how well we don our floppy fitting dysfunction.
the meat of our brothers
now belongs to a more precious thing of
which we can't recognize
their bones are held resolved in wrinkled
hands and tangled roots. but we never engage in ceremonies
of lament even though are tongues are bloodshot
from long goodbyes.
as it is i would love to jump backwards into the tempest and die in the right
hand of a manufactured deity, considering how sweetly my affections have
left me.
there is so much frustration in the confusion.
i've forgotten the chants who will bring me home.

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subject:      amy sang "winthrop" ???

i read a post saying amy sang this at the auburn show ...

if it's true did anyone boot it ????

i thought she did chiapas bound ???

chris #????

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at 3:14 pm 5/20/97, (mindy hirsch) wrote:
>doos anybody know which issue of rolling stone the review is in, and also how
>i can get a copy of the winning contest lyrics???  thank you

the url for the lyrics is:

http://place.scholastic. com/classmag/lyrics/index.htm


deb

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<        snake handling was derived neither from a desire to overcome evil
<     nor from a desire to prove god's existence, though both of these lines
<     of thinking have, no doubt, been widely considered by practicing snake
<     handlers.  in the gospel according to mark, chapter 16, verses 17&18
<     christ states as part of the "great commission" (his final command and
<     exhortation to his disciples before he left the earth):
<
<        "and these signs will accompany those who believe:  in my name they
<     will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; they will pick
<     up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will
<     not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people and
<     they will get well."

i disagree, notice at the top of verse 17 it says, "and these signs..."
signs of what?  also notice in verse 20 it says, "...and confirming the
word with signs following."  the signs are confirming the word. i take this
to mean that the signs are confirming the word of god, which i feel implies
confirming god.

i'm not a scolar but i also think paul says that speaking in tongues is
not a sign for a believer but for the unbeliever, because the believer
doesn't need a sign. this would most likely be in acts are corinthians.
of course i could be wrong and he may have not said this, but that's what
i'm basing the opinion that speaking in tongues and works of the holy
spirit are meant to be signs to the outside world, that god exist. i guess
if i'm going to base a belief on something paul said, i should find out if
he really said it, uh?

trant

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subject:      auburn review (long)

i guess i'll give it a go . . . :)

howard (usenet person), me, and later, rich benson sat in on the sound check.
i had to cram my fists in my mouth to keep from screaming as sully (sp?)
plugged in the guitars and started strumming the chords for "strangefire",
"joking", "it's alright", "pushin' the needle" and that thingie (dulcimer was
it?) for hkf.

caught a very brief glimpse of a as she walked into the dressing room, and we
think we saw e.  the goons came for us before they came out themselves to get
all the levels right :(  though we did get to sit there for over an hour and
take notes for any future attempts.

the crowd at applebee's was pretty much all assembled when we got there.  a
lot of non-listees smooshed in the middle of the table.  small digression:
rich and i were wondering if the few people in the stadium during sound check
were also list-persons.  it sounded pretty goofy to say, "hey, you think
those are fortunate ones over there?" or "does that look like a kind friend
to you?"  try it.  even though i was partial to the fortunate ones
appellation, it, and any other name we remembered that was thrown around
(specks of dust was a funny one though), sounded really cheesy off-list.
know what i mean?  sounds fine to me on-list.  but off- just made it seem
really elitist and a bit pompous and self-congratulatory.

anyway.  i seem to forget everybody who was way at the other end of the
table; except for sue harney and sara, who's camera decided to act up just as
the food got there.  we all got to eat eventually though, and sara got her
pix:)  apologies to everybody else i can't remember.  it seemed a bit
unfortunate to me that different ends of the table were so estranged from one
another, but not real way around it i guess.

we got there the same time as raine of tape loop fame.  and julie and shannon
from atlanta filled out the other side of the table.  make her eat her
tomatoes next time shannon! :)

concert t-shirts: they were selling the infamous naked lady/mannequin one,
and also a green one with two 1950-ish looking, house-wife type women holding
an animated discussion over a picket fence.  red and orangey flowers
(tulips?) above them with indigo girls written in white over a black oval.
says "get out the map" at the bottom.  on the back, written vertically:
indigo girls, then an 8 pointed star, and shaming of the sun.  25 bucks for
both.

rock-a-teens opened up.  they sounded cool, except it was a bit hard to tell.
the acoustics in a basketball court ain't too good.  not too crowded, i
wanted to jump up a few rows but also wanted to see which list people
straggled in.  joe mackey, the kind soul who waited in line to buy all our
tickets, could not be found.  :(  hope he saw the show.

set list-- definitely not in order, maybe incomplete:
*thin line-- i won! (sort of) on the guesses as to what the first song would
be.  good thing we didn't make that bet rich ;)  noticed that emily wasn't
really hitting the high notes-- just kinda staying in a safe range.  feared
that her voice might have been a bit overworked from all the touring, terrors
of that original show being cancelled due to sickness . . .
*power of 2-- everybody grab the person next to you and sway song
*don't give that girl a gun-- amy seemed over it when she sang this.  not
sick of it, just not as affected as everybody noted before.  rich said
there's some interview where she said when the song was written, it wasn't
meant to be sad. and, this is where my memory fails, that it may not be
performed too much anymore?
*get out the map-- make rich like this everybody :)  i think this is when
emily said it was so cool that we knew the lyrics to all the new songs.
*it's alright-- cheers in the appropriate parts.  sara's theme song . . .
*reunion-- broken string.  whoever it was took a while to bring in a
replacement.  and it looked like something was wrong with that one too.  amy
stayed really focused though: holding out the guitar, looking to her right to
catch his attention, putting the proper amount of intensity into the "aren't
we, aren't we" part after the la-las.  no break at all in her singing, and em
covered well with just one guitar.  i love how they just effortlessly fill in
all the blanks for one another.
*mystery-- beautiful.  they started the intro and stopped all of a sudden.
"tuning" emily announced (not irritated though), as amy gave the knobs a few
twists and then proceeded into it.  what's the deal with this?  don't they
both play on the intro?  they started off that way.  but when amy was done
tuning, she went into it all on her own.  which was very cool seeing as how
it was em's song.
*shed your skin-- raine provided the tribal chants before the "i got the
hangman" part.  too funny :).  emily really nailed the high notes during the
part that's not included in the lyrics.  very cool.
*caramia-- vocally, they transfer the power of all the instrumentation on the
studio cut very well.  i'm thinking specifically of the "hey" part before the
second "why are you dreaming this?"-- amy joined in, and emily would step
back and forth toward the mike as if to throw her body movement into her
voice.
*scooter boys-- "yeah!"
*southland in the springtime-- cute smiles to one another towards the end of
the song
*shame on you
*galileo-- emily is really funking up the "offer thanks to those before me"
part.
*cut it out-- very cool live.  amy did that higer-voiced thing.
*everything in its own time-- em said something about this being a song about
waiting for peace.  the last "time" that she draws out at the end of the song
was solid.  no wavering or weakening at all.  earned a well-deserved cheer.
*chickenman-- some soc inserted.  all i remember is something about a mr.
buzzard or something.  know this one tony?
---------encore:
*chiapas bound-- really noticed the poor acoustics in the venue with this
one.  first time i heard the song and the lyrics were really hard to make
out.  another (possible) mispronunciation along the lines of "spokane": is it
"chiah-pas" or "chiuh-pas"?  she sang the former, and that's how howard and
rich pronounced it earlier.  just wondering . . .
*here i am-- a cover by patty loveless.  thought she would do "leeds" since
she walked out alone, and raine said she's seen it performed on guitar.  this
was incredible though.  beautiful.  emily's voice was really in top form.
soaring, she had no problem hitting those notes.  rich, hip guy that he is,
managed to convert me to loveless on the drive back.
*closer to fine with amy on mandolin.

as to the people around us, there was the usual assortment: the people in the
floor section were allowed to crowd around the stage.  some giddy person
behind us yelling out yeah! in  "scooter boys"-- silly :)  a drunken bimbo,
obstructing everybody's view and teetering over the seats (am i bad for
wanting her to fall?), screaming and swaying with her obnoxious friends who
lit up cigarettes and got busted by a police officer.  whoo-hoo!  they drove
this nice dyke couple away who was sitting next to me.  some homophobes, too,
making coarse jokes and even some threats, i believe.  security wouldn't do
anything about the persons being harassed either.  a <very> unfortunate,
infuriating thing to see at an ig concert.  maybe this is why i felt a bit
melancholy even as a+e were performing.  in any case, it went by much too
quickly.

how 'bout a review from the other end of the table? :)
otts
p.s. sue, your fortitude is admirable.  keep your chin up.

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the last two times i.g. played red rocks, only one show was announced
at first.  after the first show sold out, then they announced the
second show.  they've never played three nights there.  if tradition
holds, they'll announce the friday night show as soon as thursday
is sold out, and then announce the saturday show if the friday show
sells out.  it probably just not a 'good business decision' to book
three nights and only sell half the tickets to each show.

we gotta *earn* the saturday night show.

val

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subject:      re: amy sang "winthrop" ???
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on tue, 20 may 1997 guinione@aol.com wrote:

> i read a post saying amy sang this at the auburn show ...
>
> if it's true did anyone boot it ????
>
> i thought she did chiapas bound ???
>
> chris #????
>

  you're right she sang chiapas bound, not winthrop.  i nearly died when
she walked out on stage and said something to the effect of "this is a new
song, it's not on the album, but i have felt like singing it recently"
i thought, no it can't be cb..i was devistated when i found out it wasn't
on sots.. what a great song.. it was amazing.  did anyone boot it?
peace,
em

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subject:      chiapas bound

hi -

  i was wondering if there was anyone out there who could post or send me the
lyrics to chiapas bound...ever since i got the hofstra boot (thanks
maureen!!) i can't stop listening to it. i think i have it figured out on
guitar i just can't understand what amy's saying! thanks!

ilana

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subject:      oopsy daisy, its a goil!

okay so several kind friends have pointed out to me that the person (who i
referred to as a dude) that wrote the rs review is actually a
womban/womyn/chyckie and i am truly fsorry for any implied sexism in calling
her a him!

i guess i shouldn't always assume that record reviewers are y-chromers.

ahh, the lessons of life

love y'all
three days and counting!

sus

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hi there--
a friend of mine has 2 tickets available to see the indigo girls at
chastain in atlanta this saturday.

if you're interested, please email me privately and i"ll pass along the
pertinent contact info.
and seat info.

thanks
jodi

jodi e. hersh graphic design & photography, inc.
929 sycamore drive * decatur, ga  30030
(404) 377-2555 * fax (404) 377-0010

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does anyone have the address to the scholastic site??
peace,
diana

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subject:      scholastic concert..

thought you might be interested to know that after the concert at the high
school of the winning lyric contest..
some guy from like the american family values yadda yadda yadda ... called
the press upset that the high school let homosexuals play a concert for
9-12th graders. i have a copy of the complete statement and will have to type
it up.. it is at the very least amusing.
seems the principal doesn't know what all the fuss was about though.. he said
they made no political statement  or gender bias statement.. and btw the girl
is absolutely ecstatic to have met her heroes..

more later

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in-reply-to:  <970520171843_1490922682@emout20.mail.aol.com>; from "nicole
              yonke" at may 20, 97 5:18 pm

regarding this lyric...i respect amy and emily's decision, but i personally
believe that the number of capital letters one uses in any given piece of
writing is inversely proportional to one's intelligence.

or maybe i'm just bitter about not winning...
kirsten (who entered a *song*, even if it was a cheesy song...)

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;;be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead."--ross callon

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hi, y'all.

this is kelly fairbairn, formerly kfairbairn@stonehill.edu, currently
casals@sage.edu.  i just wanted to let everyone know that i didn't
disappear off the face of the earth, and the wheaton boot will be posted.

i returned from the graduation weekend from hell.  i went to my senior
prom, slipped, fell broke my ankle in three places, and had surgery to
repair it.  (i'm still feeling a bit like humpty dumpty)  anyway, i was
in the hospital until after my graduation ceremonies from stonehill were
over, so i missed that.  :(

anyway, that is why i have been away from e-mail and unable to post any
messages.  i finally have my computer back together, so now i am set
to go--e-mail is just about all i can do now since i can't get around
very well.  i just subscribed tot he list from this address, so
everything should be up an running soon.  :)

my school server is down, and i haven't gotten any of my mail from like last
thursday on, so anyone that has e-mailed me personally since about oh,
wednesday on, i probably didn't get your message, so you might want to try
again.

i am going to contact all the wheaton branches again individually.  i
will get the list posted before the end of the week.

sorry about all the fuss and the waiting.  things have been extremely
f*cked up lately, but i am trying to straighten everything out.

ppv--if you are in the albany, ny area, do you want to get together
to watch it?  i will definitely be at home to see it--no long car trips
for me!--so if anyone else in the immediate area wants to get together let
me know.  :)

for those of you going to spac on june 7, i will be there.  my mother is
calling for tix tomorrow, and hopefully i will get some handicap
accessible seats--i will still have a *huge* cast by then.  for those of
you getting lawn seats, i saw a post about waiting util you get there
from someone on the boston list.  though it is true that most of the time
they do not sell out, it would be a good idea to get them before hand
because they do sell out occassionally--i got gypped from seeing james
taylor play once because i waited to buy them at spac about three hours
before the show started, and it sold out.  i know for a couple of other
shows like phish, they usually sell out, also.

anyway, i must say that sots is the only thing that has been keeping me
in good spirits lately.  gotm is so damn happy that i can't help but
smile.  :)

so, i will be e-mailing those who are branches, and i will post the list
by friday, i promise.  :)

kelly

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subject:      nigc: halocaust

hey y'all-
  today in my us history class, we were discussing hitler's concentration
camps and treatment of asocials (jews, gypsies, slavs, homosexuals etc.).
the jews were given patches with two pyramids, or the star of david, and the
homosexuals were given pink pyramids.  has the pink triangle as a sign of
homosexuality developed from the halocaust?
at the risk of sounding terribly ignorant (which i readily admit to!!)
lauren

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subject:      lyric contest concert article

i've never posted to this list before although i have been a dedicate
lurker for quite awhile, but i feel compelled now for a couple of
reasons.  first and foremost, i was at the auburn show at it was awesome!
it was my first live ig experience and they, as expected, were
spectacular.  i've read the reviews of the concert  posted here and they
were well done.  however, amy did seem a little irritated at one point
with the whole tuning deal -- but she did not let her get down for long.
both a & e seemed very pleased and more than a little surprised that the
crowd was so familiar with and fond of the new songs.  very, very cool.

second, i live in montgomery, al where the lyric contest winner resides.
while i would have loved to been able to attend the contest concert, i
thought it was great that a local girl won and that ig got to play here.
anticipating that there might be some mention of the event in the
newspaper, i picked one up this evening only to see that it did not just
ge coverage, it got the headline.  cool!  since there was a color picture
accompanying the article, that is where my eyes landed first.  i was
thrilled, until i saw the headline which read "concert brings joy,
controversy".  i'm sure you can figure out where this is going.  for your
convenience, here's the article:

reprinted from the montgomery advertiser, 5/20/97:

"concert brings joy, controversy
_________________________
by holly kurtz
montgomery advertiser

   ashley tillery shared the stage monday with her dream and tom
blackerby's nightmare.

   ashley is a 16-year-old booker t. washington student.  singers amy ray
and emily saliers of the grammy-award winning group the indigo girls
honored her monday with a concert in her school gymnasium.

   "i can't believe that the indigo girls know my name," she said. "i
can't believe that in 10 years from now, they'll be like, remember that
ashley chick. that's really cool for me."

   tom blackerby is the director of the american family association of
alabama.

   he was upset to find out ms. saliers and ms. ray are lesbians whose
albums feature songs about homosexuality.

   "we're sending the wrong message to our children saying that the
homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle," he said.

   that was beside the point for ashley.

   she was so excited about meeting her heroes, she listened to nine of
their cds sunday night, counted off the time until the concert in minutes
and bowed to ms. saliers and ms. ray when she met them.

   they rewarded her with the concert after judging her song lyric
"stars" the best of 12,000 entries submitted to the nationwide scholastic
song write contest sponsored by epic records.

   the indigo girls said nothing about homosexuality at monday's concert.
the performance was open only to booker t. washington's ninth through
12th graders. it was optional and free. no school funds paid for it.

   that was beside the point for mr. blackerby.

   "would you let nude dancers come to your high school and perform for
free?" he asked.

   mr. blackerby said he would try to make sure nothing like this happens
again.

   michael dickey, chairman of the montgomery county board of education,
said he was unaware the indigo girls had performed at booker t.
washington. he said he had never heard of them. it's up to administrators
to decide who performs at montgomery schools, he said, but these
administrators need to be careful, he said.

   "the kinds of groups we invite into the schools need to reflect the
community," he said.

   "montgomery is, of course, very conservative, very family-oriented."

   school superintendent john a. "pete" eberhart said he had never heard
of the indigo girls or their lyrics either. he said he was unaware they
were homosexual.

   "they didn't make any political statements or statements about gender
preferences," he said. "they were there as performers."

   had school officials chosen a group to perform, they might not have
chosen the indigo girls, dr. eberhart said. but school officials didn't
choose the indigo girls, scholastic inc. did.

   "i think if there's some concern, the people who are concerned
probably need to communicate with the sponsors," he said.

   the sexual orientation of the indigo girls is irrelevant, said lynn
gardner, a spokeswoman for scholastic inc.

   "they're good songwriters," she said. "the contest is strictly about
lyric writing and hoping to encourage people who otherwise would not
write to submit lyrics."

   ashley agreed.

   "adults tend to be very pigheaded and very traditional and very
nostalgic," she said. "the kids didn't care that they were gay. what they
cared about is that they got to come out of class and hear some really
good music."

    about 5,200 people attended a concert sunday by the singers at auburn
university, according to the university program council."

needless to say, i was not pleased with what i read.  i was so proud when
montgomery aired the ellen episode despite the fact that birmingham
refused to -- i thought maybe minds were beginning to open up a bit.
then this.  ( the nude dancer comment is classic, don't you think?) some
people just do not get it and probably never will, you know?

bah

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yay!!!!

we were really worried, but now we know, the ig ppv from great woods will be broadcast here in decatur on ch. 61, at least if you have mediaone cable, so i guess we'll have to go get a box (*darn*, like we're really disappointed that we're gonna be able to see this!!) anyhow, just wanted to let all y'all atlantans know!

peace,
susan
&
jocie

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subject:      nigc: scholatic winner

hey y'all-
  sorry for the nigc, but does anyone know the website that the winning song
lyric is on?  my search engine didn't prove successful.....
thanks,
lauren

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subject:      free ig tickets!!!!!!!!

i have two tickets for knoxville on thursday may 22nd. if you want 'em you
can have 'em.
please respond asap the show is almost here.
thanks
jean

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subject:      name tags for the chastain gathering?

well, as concerts/list gatherings near, i start feeling all sappy and
everything.  i was just thinking that it would probably be a good idea
to wear a little name tag or something at raine's list gathering, so we
(well, those of us who haven't met yet) wouldn't have to keep asking people
who they were.  then i started thinking maybe people could create their
own little unique name tag to take with them to the party - perhaps something
incorporating something from where they're from or something.  of course,
there's not a lot of time left (for me, anyway...i am super busy this week)
to try to shop/scavange around for things to make a unique name tage, but i
thought i'd throw the idea out anyway.  like i said, i'm starting to get a
little sappy... :o)

peace and sap,

joan :-d

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hi all!  another try as the date approaches.  anyone for 3 - 6 tix to ig at
the mann on friday may 30th?  does anyone know if this show is sold out?
please email me privately if you have any info.  i live in nyc and cannot
make it to the show. please help!!!!!!

marci
8-)

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i don't mean to be rude, but if you're going to ask a question- and it is a
very valid question- at least learn how to spell the name of the event.
this was possibly the worst event in human history(definitely in my mind),
and it'scalled the holocaust. the question doesn't make you sound ignorant.
the fact that you don't know the name of the issue does.

sorry to flame, but this is kind of near and dear to my heart.

sari
p.s the jews wore yellow stars, not two pyramids. the stars are the typical
star of david.
>
>date:    tue, 20 may 1997 22:44:22 -0400
>from:    lmd21@aol.com
>subject: nigc: halocaust
>
>hey y'all-
>  today in my us history class, we were discussing hitler's concentration
>camps and treatment of asocials (jews, gypsies, slavs, homosexuals etc.).
> the jews were given patches with two pyramids, or the star of david, and the
>homosexuals were given pink pyramids.  has the pink triangle as a sign of
>homosexuality developed from the halocaust?
>at the risk of sounding terribly ignorant (which i readily admit to!!)
>lauren

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well, folks, it's taken me a while, but i've got the ig parodies
"archive" up and ready.  if anyone has a parody that i don't have
there, feel free to send it to me and i'll add it on.

oh, the page can be found here:
        http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/parodies.htm

:)
anna

"i like to write really quiet songs on the electric guitar."  -amy ray


http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm

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you can read the lyrics at
http://place.scholastic.com/classmag/lyrics/index.htm

i personally can't even read them......they read like an insane person's
ramblings and don't make sense to me at all.  (i'll probably be flamed for
that.)
some parts of it sound like recycled ig songs, almost as though it were
transplanted in there and it just doesn't flow.......someone said this was
more poetry than songwriting, and i have to agree, it sounds like
stream-of-consciousness free-verse poetry.  songs are supposed to,
umm.....rhyme????

ok anyway my two not-so-shiney pennies....

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (emilyamy@aol.com)
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in a message dated 97-05-14 21:06:48 edt, you write:

<< from:    42nat1 <mmgst11+@pitt.edu>
subject: mr. limes >>


i forget...can someone please refresh my memory on what lyric in what song
someone thought this was?

cheers,

amy

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in a message dated 97-05-15 17:52:34 edt, you write:

<<  world cafe on wxpn 88.5 (in phila) and other stations on
friday, may 16, from 3:00 to 4:00. i think it is a new show.
marcy >>


anybody tape this?  is there much discussion worth having and what is the
setlist?

cheers,

amy

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dear woodlands concert goers,

i'll be wearing my ig list shirt, i bought the $31 seats 'cuz they sounded
the best they had left, but can anyone tell me if row k, left reserve is
a)primo, b)close, c)cheesy, near miss, or d)won't be able to see 'em?

also, anyone interested in a get together either before the show or after?

b-di, b-di...that's all folks!

amy

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so sorry to be this stoooopid...but...

i was checking out the new ig page (the epic approved one (-;    )  and when
it said to put your info in so they can let you know new stuff and what not,
i did and then i get this message that my email addy has been subscribed to
the ig list.  soooo...i said to myself, "self," i said, "you're already on
that list but in the digest form...what if you start getting all the
individual mail now too?"  yikes.

the point ------->  does this mean i'm about to be overcome with lots of ig
list mail including my digest; or does the majordomo or whatever already know
that i screwed up and am already on the list?  and...what do i need to do to
stop that from happening but yet keep my digest coming?

please email privately as i'm sure this ignorance cannot be tolerated too
long on the list space.  thanks.

cheers,

amy

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in a message dated 97-05-13 19:39:19 edt, you write:

<< i was just watching mtv and it said on the news that ig are going to be on
pay per view on june 6.  that's  june 6.  don't miss it!!
  >>

1.)  does that mean that pay per views everywhere (all over the
country...i.e. texas) are going to have this?

2.)  is it recordable?

3.)  if so, would someone be interested in taping it and trading it for the
three episodes of ellen from the coming out episode to this week with me?

please reply to me personally unless others show interest in these answers.

cheers,

amy

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        there is a fairly good book called _the pink triangle: the nazi war
against homosexuals_ by richard plant.  my understanding is that, yes, this
symbol originated as the symbol for gays in the concentration camps.  being
gay was enough of a reason to go to a death camp.  but then, so was being a
gypsy, a jew, or someone that the nazis felt was less-than-desirable.
        there is a growing amount of literature out there regarding this "other"
group in the camps.  i found the above book in a public library.

"100 people.....gypsies, queers, and david's star... this train is bound
for glory...." - amy in "this train - revised"

tracy - who proudly wears the pink triangle, and who's gf now has the
triangle tattooed on her arm.

tracy
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        the book i mentioned before is far more complete, but this will do....

from "the lesbian almanac" as compiled by the national museum & archive of
lesbian and gay history: [typos are mine all mine!!!]

pink triangle: a symbol in the shape of an inverted triangle adopted by
lesbian and gay culture in remembrance of the homosexuals who were killed
by the nazis in europe.  from 1933 to 1945, the nazis arrested between
twenty and fifty thousand gay men for the crime of homosexuality and placed
them in concentration camps.  homosexual men were identified in the camps
by an inverted pink triangle sewn onto their clothing - pink to suggest
they were like women.  most of the gay prisoners did not survive the work
camps; many died from the barbaric conditions, and thousands were executed.


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on tue, 20 may 1997 lmd21@aol.com wrote:

> homosexuals were given pink pyramids.  has the pink triangle as a sign of
> homosexuality developed from the halocaust?

to my understanding, yes.
it has been turned up the other way so the point is facing the ground
though, as a sign of it's queer pride reclaimation!! (is that a word?)
and apparently, that is also where the black triangle comes from too.
although, because lesbians weren't as recognised as homosexual men in
labour/prison/concentration camps during the holocaust there's not a whole
lot of proof to back this up.

imagining,
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just saw this notice from columbia records:

<<when you're browsing through this week's newsweek, be sure and
check out the article headlined: "pride and perseverance...singer
shawn colvin finally breaks through," which says, in part: "colvin's a
great folk-pop songwriter.  she sings immaculately conceived
melodies and writes subtly about very tricky matters of the head
and heart.... colvin's new single, 'sunny came home,' is her first
bona fide hit, and her latest and best album, 'a few small repairs,'
will likely go gold (500,000 copies) before you finish this article." >>


jude :)

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on wed, 21 may 1997, **- alana the faerie -** wrote:

> > homosexuals were given pink pyramids.  has the pink triangle as a sign of
> > homosexuality developed from the halocaust?
>
> to my understanding, yes.
> it has been turned up the other way so the point is facing the ground
> though, as a sign of it's queer pride reclaimation!! (is that a word?)
> and apparently, that is also where the black triangle comes from too.
> although, because lesbians weren't as recognised as homosexual men in
> labour/prison/concentration camps during the holocaust there's not a whole
> lot of proof to back this up.

i saw a film on tv ages ago about a play in a concentration camp - can't
remember what it was called, but vanessa redgrave was in it - and there
was a woman in that film wearing a camp identity badge which had a pink
triangle on it.   so i suspect that lesbians were recognised as
homosexauls too.

mat

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hi everyone!

i just checked out the scholastic site and the winning lyric entry, it's at
http://place.scholastic.com/classmag/lyrics/index.htm.

i thought i'd post it here, without permission of anyone of course:

                                       us night

                          by ashley tillery, 16
                  booker t. washington magnet school
                         montgomery, alabama


                    if i would have known that the stars always
                 died beautiful i would have run toward the rockets
                            and burnt the churches
                        fully developed in the possibility
                        that i would stand forever young
                           in the mechanics of night
                        with my eyes turning revolutions
                  stuttering apologies for a drunken urban accident.
                           inquiries in the daze ask
                    do you know how to crack spines
                             or build eyes?
                  it's the same as a city, the neon blood will bleed.
                  boy!!! i tell you to be safe bury the footprints of
                      your ancestry deep beneath the asphalt
                     and dance with yourself at dawn on those
                      pregnant praying disregarded streets.
                in this madness you swear you won't be remembered
                   but do promise to revisit the ghost of your past
                           once before your rebirth.
                mothers tend to overreact when their children don't
                              come home.
                 we must unite all the desperate words dangling on
                     the tips of our tongues into a mighty cry.
                      we can't allow the night to slip away
                          without bidding it adieu
          without thanking it for sheltering us when we were our most naked
                              and least colorful
                  this is true love for the shadows
                                i can't hide.
                     i will save my hour of insanity to be eaten
                            with the wine martyrs.
                   the sun has hold of me thus i pray the prayer
                    that posseses the eternal amen that i won't
                           suffer too long in the day.
                      why has the king sent me to slaughter?
             we must recommune with all the dissidents of the hour
                so as to better understand all these unsatisfactory ends.
                    it shall be written of us that we propagated
                  once more at ancient insane brothels, sacrificed
                           our spirits at dusty alters,
                   and knew it was our sisters song that haunted
                 us first when the sandman bit our swollen pride.
                  we must find something new in our space-aged
                        television raped lives to worship,
                 these imp gods aren't giving us the collective security
           we desired. falling short of impossibility is the great
disintegration.
                              we aren't mad.
         let's catch the setting sun for we have miles to go before the
road gives.
                       we must do this and move further
                      beyond that illusive rest invoking the
                    depths of the grave and letting out the dogs
                        all the while of our journey.
                      for the children who cry tears of satin
                 green we must for barefoot prophets turned servants
                we must for the sake of our kidnapped youth we must
                            do these things and....
                              we're still moving
                      there are no stop signs in this chapel!
                    thus at its origin is a recycled end. where
                         are the lords of salvation here?
                         who will we look to now that
                          the myths of our yesterday
                          have faltered in their duties
                       it's apparent that the toy soldiers we
                       once sought now lay dismantled in
                          the sewers so certainly the
                        whores and vagabonds will inherit
                           the keys to the kingdom
                         while we who remain without
                         our promised thrones or feast
                         dig through the shelves to find
                         the perfection we live without.
                       in ths glory will raise the sunshine of
                          our anguish, the emergence
                of a purer redemption and a cleaner virgin supplication.
               how long have we suffered in this day?
                       we are now the cloth faced broken
                     reflections of an hour glass millenium, but
                   how well we don our floppy fitting dysfunction.
                           the meat of our brothers
                     now belongs to a more precious thing of
                           which we can't recognize
                     their bones are held resolved in wrinkled
              hands and tangled roots. but we never engage in ceremonies
                  of lament even though are tongues are bloodshot
                            from long goodbyes.
        as it is i would love to jump backwards into the tempest and die in
the right
        hand of a manufactured deity, considering how sweetly my affections
have
                                 left me.
                    there is so much frustration in the confusion.
                  i've forgotten the chants who will bring me home.

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take care.

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>> and apparently, that is also where the black triangle comes from too.
>> although, because lesbians weren't as recognised as homosexual men in
>> labour/prison/concentration camps during the holocaust there's not a whole
>> lot of proof to back this up.
>
>i saw a film on tv ages ago about a play in a concentration camp - can't
>remember what it was called, but vanessa redgrave was in it - and there
>was a woman in that film wearing a camp identity badge which had a pink
>triangle on it.   so i suspect that lesbians were recognised as
>homosexauls too.

i think she wore a pink triangle in the movie because most people
understand what the pink triangle represents and not everybody would
understand the black triangle. also, the pink shows up better on film. ;)
seriously though, the black triangle was worn by women who were considered
anti-social. this included women who refused to bear children, prostitutes,
and those who exhibited other "anti-social" traits.

we have to remember that at one time society didn't think it was possible
for women to be homosexual. men, who made the laws and rules of their
countries, didn't believe (or didn't want to believe) that women could be
sexual without a penis involved.

anyway, i found this on the web:

   the third reich utilized a myriad of colored triangles to classify the
   various groups of peoples they interned in concentration camps. (2)
   the colors of the triangles were as follows: red for political
   dissidents, green for criminals, purple for jehovah's witnesses, blue
   for emigrants, brown for gypsies, black for lesbians and other
   "anti-socials," and pink for homosexual men.

   the fact that the pink triangle is regarded as a symbol of gay and
   lesbian liberation is disturbing because pink triangles were
   exclusively worn by those men the nazis had identified as gay. by
   contrast, "the average lesbian enjoyed a kind of legal immunity"
   (plant, 1986, p. 27). this was not the result of a greater acceptance
   of lesbianism. rather, love between women was so intolerable that
   lesbian existence had been vociferously denied. later, in 1910,
   measures to criminalize lesbians were considered but then promptly
   abandoned.

   the most effective way to render lesbians powerless was to sever their
   connection(s) to other women. with the rise of nazism, lesbian meeting
   places and private homes were raided and their visibility was
   concealed (faderman & eriksson, 1990, p. xx). "lesbians," writes
   irene reti, "were among those women imprisoned as asocials considered
   a threat to german society before 1939" (1993, p. 95). all
   asocials were identified through black down-turned triangles. these
   detainees "were considered stupid, unable to communicate, lacking the
   courage to stand up for a brother [sic]" (plant, 1986, p. 160). the ss
   "despised" them because "the color of their triangles was an insult to
   their own black uniforms" (plant, 1986, p. 160).

   it is politically significant that the asocial category was not
   exclusively lesbian; it was a diverse grouping that included
   prostitutes, vagrants, murderers, thieves, and those who violated laws
   prohibiting sexual intercourse between aryans and jews. precisely
   because the asocial group was so heterogeneous, lesbians were not as
   readily identifiable as were gay men whose pink marking exclusively
   signified their homosexuality.

-----
if you want to read the entire article it is at:

linkname: triangles and tribulations: the politics of nazi symbols
url: http://remember.org/educate/elman.html

kristina

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i've just picked this up from the newsgroup and thought that i would pass
it on since i haven't seen it on the list yet.


an interview with emily

from: mielke@mindspring.com (rich and nadyne mielke)
date: tue, 20 may 1997 17:42:46 gmt
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thought someone out there might be interested in this.  this is the
article published in the 3 may 1997 edition of "poets, artists, and
madmen", a free arts and entertainment monthly in atlanta.  reprinted
without permission, all typoes are probably mine.

"shameless": an interview with the indigo girls' emily saliers
by j. patrick best

while other radio-friendly modern rock outfits change their looks or
try new gimmicks to keep themselves fresh in the minds of the masses,
the indigo girls concentrate on what they've always done -- write good
songs.

nothing's changed.

on _shaming of the sun_, the girls' sixth album on epic records, all
the elements that you'd expect are there, with a little extra thrown
in for good measure.  the big production number, "caramia,", written
by emily saliers and performed with violins, cello and electric
guitars (!) is completely breathtaking.  and from the perfect pop
tracks "it's alright" and the first single "shame on you" to the
emotion-dripping, country-folk songs "leeds" and "don't give that girl
a gun", _shaming of the sun_ is mature but just eclectic enough to be
interesting, without sounding cluttered and disjointed.

amy and emily have dedicated three years since 1994s platinum-selling
_swamp ophelia_ to spend time working on the many causes that they
religiosly support.  in 1996, amy ray's label daemon records released
the compliation disc _honor_ (which included songs by matthew sweet,
rusted root, toad the wet sprocket and the indigo girs), and all
proceeds made frm the sale of the album were given to the honor the
earth campaign, an organization that builds awareness for over 200
indigenous environmental groups in north america.

a lot has changed since emily and amy ray were doing open mike nights
at good ol' days in buckhead with hometown ehroes like caroline aiken.
but while they may be able to sell out huge concert hall across the
country, one thing remains the same -- it's the songs that matter.

i caught up with emily saliers before a recent show on their
seven-week acoustic college tour warming up for what will be a major
stateside tour beginning with three nights at atlanta's chastain park
may 23, 24, and 25.

_i've listened to the new album several times now, and i really think
these are some of the best songs you've ever written.  can you tell me
specifically about "caramia"?_

it's actually two songs that were put together.  and i wrote it on
electric guitar, which is the first time i've ever written a song on
electric guitar.  i just came up with the opening chord riff and
wronge the song around it.  it's two sections -- one is about the
relationship that's totally screwed up, the other is from a dream that
actually our bass player sara lee had and told me about -- and so i
put the dream in with the other reflections for the song, and it just
came out as it is.  it's a lot more obscure that i typically write.

_you added a lot of new instruments to this song and others on the
album._

as far as production goes, sara lee wrote the string part for that
["caramia"] and arranged it.  it's really the only big string section
we have on the record.  there's a lot of electric guitar and layered
percussion tracks and things like that.  it's a big song, in terms of
musical production.  it's really different than anything we've ever
done.

_you guys have always worn your feelings about social and political
issues on your sleeve.  has being so outspoken ever hindered your
career in any way?_

not to our knowledge.  but i don't know what people say behind our
backs.  the record company know what we're like and what's important
to us.  epic has been really good to us and supportive of all our
endeavors, including switching over to recycled products for the album
materials and for promotional posters and promo cds and stuff like
that, and helping us with our web site.  they've really been
supportive.   as far as the fans, we do our best to let them know when
they're coming to a benefit show or to a regular show.  we set up
tables with information about our various causes that we're interested
in, and they can come and go as they choose.  if they want to learn
about it, that's great; if they don't, that's fine too.  although
we're very staunch in our views, we give people the option to listen
or not.

_i noticed that there are several local artists playing on the album
(michelle malone, smoke).  while many bands that become major
successes move to la and get the best studio musicians to fill in the
gaps, you guys are still very active in the local music scene -- why
is that?_

for one thing, they're totally inspiring to us.  amy and i grew up in
the atlanta music scene, and these are our comrades in music.  we get
much more inspiration from a quirky local band than we do from session
players.  so it's our home, our roots; it's the beginning of our
grassroots following.  amy and i are from the school of hootenannies
where everybody gets togeter and plays music and has a good time.
we're the antithesis of snobbery when it comes to musical abilities.
we feel it's valid even if you can't run the scales with lightening
speed -- it's the heart you put into it.  and we find that all over
the atlanta music scene.

_is there anyone on the atlanta music scene that you think could
really break out and become a huge commericial success?_

i'm totally into the band life -- they are blowing me away.  they're
opening for us on the road right now, and they're goin to do some more
dates for us during the tour.  amy's put their record out on her label
[daemon records].  but all the new songs are great.  molly's
[bancroft] voice is great, all the players are great; they're going
wherever they want to go.

_there are songs on this album that would fit right in on a nancy
griffith or emylou harris album.  in a time when modern music seems to
be moving towards the electronic age, why do you think the songs of
the indigo girls still capture such a large audience?_

i think the music is honest, first of all.  amy and i write our songs
about our experiences and our reflections.  there's no artiface --
it's just the way we feel.  some people like that, and some people
don't.  but our fans obviously relate to it.  the songs are emotional
and real.  we're just not drawn to electronic music.  somewho we just
end up with mostly a organic thing -- starting with the song.  and we
always make sure we can play it, just the two of us together, so we
can exist without a lot of other stuff.  it's very simple and
straight-forward.

_where does the name of the album, _shaming of the sun_, come from?_

it's from a native american legend.  we were going to call the album
"map" up until right before we finished it -- i guess we got tired of
the name.  so we were looking for something else, and i was looking
through a book of native american myths and legends, and that title
just struck me.  it's a legend from two different tribes.  it's the
story of how the sun came to be in the sky.  and i just thought it was
evocative.

_a friend of mine says he's enver seen an acoustic band that can
mesmerise a crowd like the two of you.  what do you think makes your
live shows so powerful?_

well, we love playing live.  we always change our setlist so we keep
it fresh for ourselves -- we like to mix things up.  i think the
people also know we're really into what we're doing.  we also really
appreciate our fans in a profound way, and i think they can feel tht,
so it makes it a recipprocal experience.  it's not just us up there
giving a show; it's more like a exchange.

_have you and amy changed since your first album?_

i think the songwriting has evolved.  it's hard to articulate how you
think your songwriting has grown; it's more like a feeling than it
has.  i think the reasons why we play music have stayed the same.
things have gotten more complicated than before because we're bigger
and there's more people involved.  we're still true to our vision.

_lyrically, your sexuality was more subtley expressed on past albums,
and now it seems that you're becoming more open about it.  was this a
conscious decision?_

amy was using the female genders in her songs before, but it _is_ more
subtle than it is like on a song like "it's alright", where it comes
out and says "i don't care if you hate me 'cause i'm gay".  but it
wasn't a conscious decision.  in particular, on that song, i was just
thinking about ways that people oppress other people, and homophobia
is just one example of that.  i just came out and said it blatantly
rather than masking it in some way.

_do you think it's getting better for openly homosexual musical
artists?_

i think it's better.  but i don't think we're anywhere near where we
should be.  when you have states scrambling to prevent homosexual
marriages as if it's a plague on the whole of humanity.  you can just
see people running, they're so scared.  you see slight changes, like
companies giving same-sex couples benefits, and melissa etheridge
coming out and her crowd being fine with that.  there are slow
changes, but there's still so much oppression that the best we can do
is keep fightning and celebrate diversity.

end of article. :)
the picture is the same one from the target "starter kit" cd, no
caption.

hope y'all enjoyed!  i apologise for any typoes. :)

/nad

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cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
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this was posted to the newsgroup. she answers a question about caramia (who
really had the dream?) and why they named the album sots and not map. :)
read on! all credit goes to nadyne for typing this in and posting it to the
ng.

>from: mielke@mindspring.com (rich and nadyne mielke)
>newsgroups: alt.music.indigo-girls
>subject: an interview with emily
>date: tue, 20 may 1997 17:42:46 gmt

thought someone out there might be interested in this.  this is the
article published in the 3 may 1997 edition of "poets, artists, and
madmen", a free arts and entertainment monthly in atlanta.  reprinted
without permission, all typoes are probably mine.

"shameless": an interview with the indigo girls' emily saliers
by j. patrick best

while other radio-friendly modern rock outfits change their looks or
try new gimmicks to keep themselves fresh in the minds of the masses,
the indigo girls concentrate on what they've always done -- write good
songs.

nothing's changed.

on _shaming of the sun_, the girls' sixth album on epic records, all
the elements that you'd expect are there, with a little extra thrown
in for good measure.  the big production number, "caramia,", written
by emily saliers and performed with violins, cello and electric
guitars (!) is completely breathtaking.  and from the perfect pop
tracks "it's alright" and the first single "shame on you" to the
emotion-dripping, country-folk songs "leeds" and "don't give that girl
a gun", _shaming of the sun_ is mature but just eclectic enough to be
interesting, without sounding cluttered and disjointed.

amy and emily have dedicated three years since 1994s platinum-selling
_swamp ophelia_ to spend time working on the many causes that they
religiosly support.  in 1996, amy ray's label daemon records released
the compliation disc _honor_ (which included songs by matthew sweet,
rusted root, toad the wet sprocket and the indigo girs), and all
proceeds made frm the sale of the album were given to the honor the
earth campaign, an organization that builds awareness for over 200
indigenous environmental groups in north america.

a lot has changed since emily and amy ray were doing open mike nights
at good ol' days in buckhead with hometown ehroes like caroline aiken.
but while they may be able to sell out huge concert hall across the
country, one thing remains the same -- it's the songs that matter.

i caught up with emily saliers before a recent show on their
seven-week acoustic college tour warming up for what will be a major
stateside tour beginning with three nights at atlanta's chastain park
may 23, 24, and 25.

_i've listened to the new album several times now, and i really think
these are some of the best songs you've ever written.  can you tell me
specifically about "caramia"?_

it's actually two songs that were put together.  and i wrote it on
electric guitar, which is the first time i've ever written a song on
electric guitar.  i just came up with the opening chord riff and
wronge the song around it.  it's two sections -- one is about the
relationship that's totally screwed up, the other is from a dream that
actually our bass player sara lee had and told me about -- and so i
put the dream in with the other reflections for the song, and it just
came out as it is.  it's a lot more obscure that i typically write.

_you added a lot of new instruments to this song and others on the
album._

as far as production goes, sara lee wrote the string part for that
["caramia"] and arranged it.  it's really the only big string section
we have on the record.  there's a lot of electric guitar and layered
percussion tracks and things like that.  it's a big song, in terms of
musical production.  it's really different than anything we've ever
done.

_you guys have always worn your feelings about social and political
issues on your sleeve.  has being so outspoken ever hindered your
career in any way?_

not to our knowledge.  but i don't know what people say behind our
backs.  the record company know what we're like and what's important
to us.  epic has been really good to us and supportive of all our
endeavors, including switching over to recycled products for the album
materials and for promotional posters and promo cds and stuff like
that, and helping us with our web site.  they've really been
supportive.   as far as the fans, we do our best to let them know when
they're coming to a benefit show or to a regular show.  we set up
tables with information about our various causes that we're interested
in, and they can come and go as they choose.  if they want to learn
about it, that's great; if they don't, that's fine too.  although
we're very staunch in our views, we give people the option to listen
or not.

_i noticed that there are several local artists playing on the album
(michelle malone, smoke).  while many bands that become major
successes move to la and get the best studio musicians to fill in the
gaps, you guys are still very active in the local music scene -- why
is that?_

for one thing, they're totally inspiring to us.  amy and i grew up in
the atlanta music scene, and these are our comrades in music.  we get
much more inspiration from a quirky local band than we do from session
players.  so it's our home, our roots; it's the beginning of our
grassroots following.  amy and i are from the school of hootenannies
where everybody gets togeter and plays music and has a good time.
we're the antithesis of snobbery when it comes to musical abilities.
we feel it's valid even if you can't run the scales with lightening
speed -- it's the heart you put into it.  and we find that all over
the atlanta music scene.

_is there anyone on the atlanta music scene that you think could
really break out and become a huge commericial success?_

i'm totally into the band lift -- they are blowing me away.  they're
opening for us on the road right now, and they're goin to do some more
dates for us during the tour.  amy's put their record out on her label
[daemon records].  but all the new songs are great.  molly's
[bancroft] voice is great, all the players are great; they're going
wherever they want to go.

_there are songs on this album that would fit right in on a nancy
griffith or emylou harris album.  in a time when modern music seems to
be moving towards the electronic age, why do you think the songs of
the indigo girls still capture such a large audience?_

i think the music is honest, first of all.  amy and i write our songs
about our experiences and our reflections.  there's no artiface --
it's just the way we feel.  some people like that, and some people
don't.  but our fans obviously relate to it.  the songs are emotional
and real.  we're just not drawn to electronic music.  somewho we just
end up with mostly a organic thing -- starting with the song.  and we
always make sure we can play it, just the two of us together, so we
can exist without a lot of other stuff.  it's very simple and
straight-forward.

_where does the name of the album, _shaming of the sun_, come from?_

it's from a native american legend.  we were going to call the album
"map" up until right before we finished it -- i guess we got tired of
the name.  so we were looking for something else, and i was looking
through a book of native american myths and legends, and that title
just struck me.  it's a legend from two different tribes.  it's the
story of how the sun came to be in the sky.  and i just thought it was
evocative.

_a friend of mine says he's enver seen an acoustic band that can
mesmerise a crowd like the two of you.  what do you think makes your
live shows so powerful?_

well, we love playing live.  we always change our setlist so we keep
it fresh for ourselves -- we like to mix things up.  i think the
people also know we're really into what we're doing.  we also really
appreciate our fans in a profound way, and i think they can feel tht,
so it makes it a recipprocal experience.  it's not just us up there
giving a show; it's more like a exchange.

_have you and amy changed since your first album?_

i think the songwriting has evolved.  it's hard to articulate how you
think your songwriting has grown; it's more like a feeling than it
has.  i think the reasons why we play music have stayed the same.
things have gotten more complicated than before because we're bigger
and there's more people involved.  we're still true to our vision.

_lyrically, your sexuality was more subtley expressed on past albums,
and now it seems that you're becoming more open about it.  was this a
conscious decision?_

amy was using the female genders in her songs before, but it _is_ more
subtle than it is like on a song like "it's alright", where it comes
out and says "i don't care if you hate me 'cause i'm gay".  but it
wasn't a conscious decision.  in particular, on that song, i was just
thinking about ways that people oppress other people, and homophobia
is just one example of that.  i just came out and said it blatantly
rather than masking it in some way.

_do you think it's getting better for openly homosexual musical
artists?_

i think it's better.  but i don't think we're anywhere near where we
should be.  when you have states scrambling to prevent homosexual
marriages as if it's a plague on the whole of humanity.  you can just
see people running, they're so scared.  you see slight changes, like
companies giving same-sex couples benefits, and melissa etheridge
coming out and her crowd being fine with that.  there are slow
changes, but there's still so much oppression that the best we can do
is keep fightning and celebrate diversity.

end of article. :)
the picture is the same one from the target "starter kit" cd, no
caption.

hope y'all enjoyed!  i apologise for any typoes. :)

/nad

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hey everyone,

just a short note to say bye bye for a few weeks.  as university ends for
another year, so does my access to email.  however, i love this list so much
that i am getting an internet account at home so that i can enjoy all of your
company forever!

i will be back from june 20th ( after i come back from my holiday)! :)

talk to y'all soon,

claudine

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i'm very sorry to have done it. i really acted in the heat of the moment-
the subject, naturally, is a very touchy one for me.

sorry.

sari

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no snood for you!!!!!
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i'll have to agree.. this is the funniest sound bite to come
from the conservatives in quite a long time.. we gotta laugh
at this, cos where else would we get the giggles??
>
>    "would you let nude dancers come to your high school and perform for
> free?" he asked.


then at the end of the article the winner, ashley said:
>    "adults tend to be very pigheaded and very traditional and very
> nostalgic," she said. "the kids didn't care that they were gay. what
> they cared about is that they got to come out of class and hear some
> really good music."

what grade was this kid in?? gosh, she is definitely very wise
and i say hats off to her!! way to go ashley!! say it simple say
it plain, but say it again and again!!! we need more people like
her to say that to the news media

to me the music is about the music and the
sexual orientation of any artist just doesnt phase me
granted, their sexual orientation is icing to my cake
but it doesnt change or alter my love of their music

hope all you chastian folks have fun...
take lotsa pictures!!
anj

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hi all,
        did one of you kind souls tape the world cafe when ig were on?  i never
did find it here in san antonio, even though i diligently listened to
incredibly odd radio in an attempt to catch it. <g>
        anybody know when the new orleans tickets are going to go on
sale?
        e-me with info please.
        thanks.

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ok, this is the last try.  i've been lurking for ages and trying to send mail
but it always gets thrown back in my face.  so here's hoping...........

tony

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subject:      tony fraps -- please respond!

hey there...   i'm trying to get in contact with tony the chickenman about
all of those chastain/atlanta get-togethers. i'll be in town from sat.
morning through mon. morning, and i'm going to the sat. and sun night
shows... i'd love to meet y'all at the flying biscuit on sat. afternoon, and
i may be interested in meeting at eddie's sometime as well...

peace
lisa

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at 03:14 pm 5/20/97 -0400, mindala3@aol.com wrote:
>doos anybody know which issue of rolling stone the review is in

it's currently the featured review at http://www.rollingstone.com.  the
direct url is http://www.rollingstone.com/reviewsitem.asp?id=862.  the
review includes a link to rsfeedback@rollingstone.com for comments.

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subject:      ig hs show in ala

what's this i heard on the radio about the ig's high schools show in ala.
coming under fire from afa and/or the school board?  anyone know the details.
ps thanx to the poster of the winning lyrics... and this girl's only
16???!!!!

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subject:      hot!hot!hot! babes (nigc)

--- that narrowminded guy in alabama spouted:

   "would you let nude dancers come to your high school and perform for
free?" he asked.
--- end of quoted material ---
why yes we would! bring em on, tom!

;) susanna
a nude dancer in a past life

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subject:      kmtt/austin boot

ok.....i know there must be more than 3 pisces out there who want the
kmtt/austin boot!!  it is a great boot.........e-mail your branch
soon!!   (that would be me)....

forever indigo,
cathy

"...if i have a care in the world, i have a gift to bring...."  e.
saliers

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subject:      ig promo video offer

for those of you who were interested in a dubbed copy of the ig
yearbook promo video, with the letterman/rosie appearances, and
already sent me your tape: the first batch of tapes is being dubbed
by my friend this week....they should be in the mail by monday.....
for those of you who were sending me their tapes, but havent yet...
please do so soon if you want them included in the next batch.....for
those of you who did not hear about the offer...here it is:  i have a
friend that is in the video production business...she is dubbing the
promo tape and the letterman/rosie on professional recording
equipment....she is a video editor, so the appearances will be nicely
edited after the promo video section....if you are interested...
please e-mail me for my snail-mail and mailing instructions......

forever indigo,
cathy

"...and for everything i learn there are two i don't understand...."
e. saliers

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a couple of people have asked about world cafe recently, so i figured i
should post an update....

"indigo philadelphia," a 90 minute tape including the recent wxpn world cafe
and y100 sonic session along with a couple of philadelphian surprises (if
you think you've guessed what they are, you're probably right, get
psyched :)  will soon be on its way thanks to twelve wonderful branches
for my spruce tree.  (called so because i've spent two years in
philadelphia living on spruce street)  as soon as everything's
coordinated between the branches and me, i'll let all you leafs and buds
out there know what's up.  until then, relax and go outside....summer's
coming....


.....audrey


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"give me the strength to be gentle, the wisdom to be confused, the right
to be wrong on occasion, the sense to know when to lose...give me the time
to be patient, the courage to be afraid, give me the eyes of a child again
to see the world, a different world..a world that can still be made..."
                                             william in _the tap dance kid_

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i dunno if anyone's posted this, but www.mtv.com/ has two stories online
about the girls..they even post the concert tour dates....however, it's
nothing that people on the list haven't posted previously....
also, there's a story on toad the wet sprocket giving free concert
tickets along with their cd in stores on tuesday, only in select stores
and cities however...boohoo!
www.mtv.com/index2.htm
bye

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my thoughts on the winning entry:

wasn't this supposed to be a song?
good poem, but  i wouldn't want to be the one to have to put it
to music.

anna

"i like to write really quiet songs on the electric guitar."  -amy ray


http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm

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the lf tour is set. the final dates added are to the north:

aug 17th  montreal  / stade dumaurier / on sale june 14th
aug 22nd calgary / mcmahon stadium / on sale june 21st
aug24th vancouver / thunderbird stadium / on sale june 21st

the line-ups haven't yet been post on the lf site but i assume these are ig
dates.

it also looks at if a second toronto date is planned for aug 16th. i assume
it all depends on how ticket sales for the show on the 15th go. the samne
holds true for a second columbus, oh date on august 11th.

for the complete lf schedule go to www.lilithfair.com/dates.html and for
the complete ig schedule go to http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/dates.html
(although the latest lf dates might not be up yet when you check in).

deb

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looking for a boot from the 10$ tour from
the boathouse in virginia beach.
this was my first ig concert, and i would love to have a copy.
thanks,
deb

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subject:      2 ig tix for hartford, ct !

hey everyone in or near connecticut... i have two tickets available
for the meadows music theater in hartford for saturday may 31st....
they are row t, section 100, seats 118 and 119 ... cost $35 (that's
how much i paid)... if you're interested, email me privately please
since i cant read thru all of the list notes during work hours...
sguardino@vnet.ibm.com

thanks !  sue

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anyone know if canadians can get the ppv?  my feature magazine doesn't
mention a thing about the ig. anyone?  ontario?

lori
very happy to be going to spac the following day!


"this is now, this is here, this is me, this is what i wanted you to see."
                                            rem

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subject:      ********two tix to pnc bank show********

2 tickets in the second section.

they're yours if you write me first...ready, set, go go go go go

gwen

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hey guys...

i was on the web the other day and found several sites where there was
tab and chords for some of the songs on sots.  however, silly me, i didn't
bookmark the pages and now i can't find them again.  does anybody know
where any of them are?

thanks,
amy k.

ps email privately, please!  not on the list at the moment...

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subject:      great news...(to me:) and an article...

oh my god!!!! today is a good day.....

first of all, ig fever has hit my school. freshmen and sophmore year i
thought i was the *only* ig enlightened one...but now that they are coming to
town i learn how very wrong i am. there are ig fans coming out of the
woodwork. and they all look to me for the 411 (which of course i hear from
y'all:) so now that the countdown to the show near by is at 7 days, we are
just having mad ig talk all day long.

so anyhow...it gets better. those of you who are list vets know that i
started a little thing called the world duck tour in the fall of 95. i got
two rubber duckies and sent one globe surfing, and the other chilled with me
and went to shows (kd lang...and various others.) what no one knows (i
think....unless i mentioned this before, but i doubt it) i gave my ducky
webster (named by our very own deb r.) to a backstage chick at the last
american u ig show. it was a leap of faith to hand my baby over to a stranger
with the promise that a&e would see him. well my day of trithe indigo girls
have done it once again with the release of their 8th album shaming of the
sun. joined by old friend sara lee (bass), michelle malone (harmonica,
backing vocals), and jerry marootta (drums), along with a host of session
musicians, the indigo girls' amy ray and emily sailiers reach ouot in new
directioons while still maintaining their own unique sound.
        theres no sugar coating here! this album is raw, electric,, ecletic and
passionate. they've found new ways to twist harmonies and blend new styles
differently than i recall on any of their past endeavors. they've included
some funkier bass lines, notably present in "shed your skin." emily breaks
out the banjo in "shame on you" and "get out the map" and treats us to a soft
piano piece with soome goospel background in the song "leeds." in "caramia"
they've elaborated on angel-like backing vocals, which werer first
introoduced to us on their 5th album rites of passage.
        all in all, this album provides a variety of classic indigoo style while
eeing the sound fresh and moving forward. if you're a fan of <their error>
just an occasional listener, go pickk this one up. if the indigo girls
haven't been your cup of tea, you definitely want to give this one a shot.
        what's next ladies?? the indigo girls will be at wolf trap may 28 & 29.

there it is...not bad. i have some extra copies for any of you
completists....just drop me a line...i lost my nff 96 boot and would love for
someone to retape it for me...along with a mapped...any takers???

giggly and ig fanatical, kate

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hi all-

for those who are interested, the august 20th lillith fair date at canterbury
park is official (according to their staff).  tickets go on sale june 14th at
ticketmaster outlets- wooohoooo!!
peace
amanda


   "i made a bad connection            
    she says i went astray              
    i jumped ship, abandoned my post    
    i didn't think i'd lost my way..."  
                              a. ray    

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subject:      re: shed your skin

in a message dated 97-05-21 04:31:45 edt, you write:

<< in a message dated 97-05-20 grnpeace@fullnet.com (kate) writes:

  <<hey-
     i have been reading all of the posts about sys's meaning.  here's how i
  take it.  i was watching a show on the discovery channel about a religion
  that's a bunch of christains who worship by taunting snakes (they don't
call
  it taunting, i think something like serphant handling, but to me it was
  taunting) they sometimes speak in tounges while handling them "i'm speaking
  in tongues, handling you.  i've got religion. now look at this."  it all
  makes sense to me.  the serphant is supposedly considered evil in the
  religion, and if it doesn't bite, you are living your life under god
  correctly.  there's more to the song and what it means, but i think you can
  get the jist of it........>>

pretty close on the snake handling thing. snake handling takes place in a
small number of holiness churches in the appalachia area of the southeastern
u.s. the mandate to handle snakes comes from the gospel of mark 16:15-18.
this passage says that all who believe in christ will take up serpents,
drink
poison, heal the sick and speak in tongues. in these church services,
strychnine is sometimes drunk in addition to handling snakes. the faith test
comes not from being bitten, but if you can overcome the venom or poison by
your faith in christ. each act of "overcoming" is supposed to strengthen
your
spirit and increases your share of "anointing by the holy spirit."
my take on sys is that amy is using this religious context to talk about
overcoming, getting stronger and fighting the evil that invades her life.
btw, the drumming used on sys is quite similar to the rhythmic drumming i've
heard in holiness churches before. amy really did her homework in writing
this song!

karen >>

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subject:      emily interview in may "poets, artists & madmen"

hi all,

once again i've stumbled upon an interview in a local publication and don't
know if it's old news or not.  anyway, in the may issue of atlanta's
"poets, artists & madmen" there's an interview with emily and, if it hasn't
been done already, i'll gladly transcribe it.  i won't, however, get copies
for anyone - i learned my lesson from those "atlanta" magazines i'm =still=
trying to get rid of..... :\

let me know!

peace,

stacie
moj@mailzone.com

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subject:      tix for the 24th?

who was it that was talking about selling the tix for the 24th??? i
mailed ya, but forgotten who it was....

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subject:      need a place to crash in atlanta 5/23- help me?

to any kind soul that may be willing to help, here is my plight:

    my sister and i (both collegy-type people) need a place to crash after the
concert friday night.  for us, that basically means a couch and a floor, but
just about anything would do.  i promise we are nice people, and we'll try to
be interesting, too, if that would help our chances. :)  if anyone can help us,
please let us know soon, so we can work out details.  thanks in advance.

ps- my sister isn't on the list, but we're both interested in any list
     gathering things.  i can play a few ig songs if someone needs a guitarist
     for a sing-along.  i just bought a beautiful new washburn. :)

                     your friend in need, chris

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de-lurking again....

surfed the web hoping to find an e-mail address but could only find the
snail mail address for the national office office but that'll do...
anyhow, if you'd like to tell the afa exactly what you think of them drop'em
a line at:

american family association, inc.
po drawer 2440
tupelo, ms. 38803

or you could call them and give them a piece of your mind at:
(601)844-5036

or my personal fav, fax'em (it'll tie up their fax machine and waste their
"family value" fax paper) at:
(601)844-9176

i'd suggest addressing anything you send to tom blackerby since he's the one
who's been so vocal about it...

bombs away.... :)


kat

               "if i let you do it to me, can
                 we still call it suicide?"
                         - cooper seay

               "without love you can only resist,
                 without feeling you can't exist."
                         - melissa ferrick

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subject:      increase ig airplay - you?

i had an idea that would possibly help all of us increase airplay for ig
all around the nation (and world?):

we could compile a list of email addresses for every radio station that
plays any ig or even music in the genre.  then willing participants on
this list would send email to all of these radio stations requesting that
they play the new ig.   think of the number of requests that they would
receive.

i do see a few possible problems but i think they can be addressed and
dealt with.  i would look at this as doing a favor for anyone in a market
where ig is not played much, since it may lead to them getting to hear
them on the radio more  (i know i could use the help here).  i also think
this could only be helpful to ig if it did increase their airplay.

one problem might be if the station received 200 requests for ig on the
same day it would be suspicious, but if we staggered it somehow... (by
month of birth or something?)   this would be solved.

another problem is geographic specific email addresses would have to be
excluded.   anyone with a aol, compuserve, would be ok.  then again
anyone can get a juno or  hotmail account free. ( i may use both)

i realize some of you may think this is unethical, and please feel free
not to participate.  i do not intend to claim to be a listener, only send
a message asking them to play ig.  the station can interpret this message
how they please.

if anyone is interested we should discuss and set up a plan of action.

---derek

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date:         wed, 21 may 1997 23:01:29 -0400
reply-to:     spirits4@aol.com
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from:         rachel rivera <spirits4@aol.com>
subject:      re: snake handling

in a message dated 97-05-20 19:53:11 edt, trant wrote:

<< notice at the top of verse 17 it says, "and these signs..."
signs of what?  also notice in verse 20 it says, "...and confirming the
word with signs following."  the signs are confirming the word. i take this
to mean that the signs are confirming the word of god, which i feel implies
confirming god.

i'm not a scolar but i also think paul says that speaking in tongues is
not a sign for a believer but for the unbeliever, because the believer
doesn't need a sign. this would most likely be in acts are corinthians.
of course i could be wrong and he may have not said this, but that's what
i'm basing the opinion that speaking in tongues and works of the holy
spirit are meant to be signs to the outside world, that god exist. i guess
if i'm going to base a belief on something paul said, i should find out if
he really said it, uh? >>

perhaps amy is singing about the struggle of faith...the search for the
purity of truth ....the truth, hidden by camouflage or boldly pronounced to
the world...the primordial process of growth can symbolize  the
psychological, emotional, and/or spiritual changes that occur in the course
of life...not understanding, wanting to understand, looking for signs are
what mark 16:17-18 describes.  everyone wanted physical proof that jesus had
risen from the dead.  ultimately, faith enables the act of letting go.  amy
says, "...hey holy console me some power control me remorse it i force it
can't free it so be it..."  don't hide from what you don't understand, just
keep living and maybe, someday, it'll become clear.

counting the days til seattle,
rachel :))))))

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date:         wed, 21 may 1997 20:15:46 -0700
reply-to:     da chickenman <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
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from:         da chickenman <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
subject:      pj harris post/atlanta
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hey y'all!

        pj left a message on my home telephone # saying that her computer is
down and that it will not be recuperating anytime soon! :0  unfortunately,
pj said she received several messages this afternoon which she cannot relpy
to now and she feels *really bad* :(
        so she asked me to post this message to the list to let everyone
know that pj is not ignoring you!! :)
        if you have any general ???'s about our trip to atlanta, pj asks
that you direct them to me by email.  otherwise, you can call her at (206)
632-5065.

        btw penelope dodd is jetting across the pacific ocean to atlanta as
we speak!!
the time must be upon us! :o :)

        see you "wacky sadomasochists" in atlanta! ;)

tony
da poultryman

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date:         wed, 21 may 1997 20:48:22 -0700
reply-to:     da chickenman <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
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from:         da chickenman <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
subject:      chickenman thank yous!
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hey kind friends~

        just had to share this "fortunate one" story with you :)
my wonderful friends anjeanette milner (boilermkr) and kris lewis (klewis)
have been keeping me "posted" to happenings on the list, for which i am
grateful!! :)
        thank you very much anj and kris!  y'all are superb! :)))))
i've actually been off the list now for 6 weeks and it'll prolly be another
4 weeks before i get to *come home* to the list.
        when i return i shall make an offering of carolyn spidle's grand
emporium, kc mo, 7-18-89 boot.  and i'll probably do another silly quiz or
something to offer it, but this time i will reserve spaces for those on
digest format ;o
        i hope and pray that y'all are treating one another with mutual
admiration and respect (as it should be!).  if we can't practice those
qualities as acquaintances here on the ig list, then i doubt those virtues
are safe anywhere.
        i miss so many of you...but i'll be *actually* meeting many of you
in atlanta!! woooo-hooo!

sample quiz question:

        1)  as you're driving down the road you see someone throw a big
slurpy drink - cup, straw, lid...everything - onto the roadway.  the
appropriate honor the earth response is to:
        a) speed up and ram the car over and over again
        b) honk your horn at the asshole and give em the bird
        c) go back and pick up the trash
        d) get out your gun and shoot the bastard
        e) both a and d


luv~
tony
da wacky chicken dude
proud founder - yknib ssim fan club

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