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date:         thu, 29 may 1997 00:29:03 -0400
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hey there! anyone who's going to wolf trap tomorrow night, please email me
asap. thanks!

jendy

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"i don't want what's best for you. where would i be when you found it?"
-emily saliers

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date:         wed, 28 may 1997 00:22:25 -0700
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could someone send me an email...i am looking for someone to chat with
about the indigo girls and more ;)
julie

grrrrrrrr! i meant to ask, where are y'all meeting. i'm gonna be up there
tomorrow. thanks

jendy

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"i don't want what's best for you. where would i be when you found it?"
-emily saliers

today i stopped by best buy and found an indigo girls screen saver, from
the swamp ophelia album area.  i couldn't find a price, and my computer
isn't good enough to run it, so i didn't buy it.  i guess it had a puzzle
game and some other neat features.  if anyone must have this i guess i
could pick it up.  i also bought (with graduation money) ani difranco's
dilate which i haven't listened to yet, and luka bloom's riverside which
i just listened to.  i really enjoyed riverside, although until tonight i
was under the mistaken impression that luka bloom was a woman!  anyway, i
would definitely recommend the album.  luka bloom sings back-up on ctf
remember?

next, with all the stress involved in getting ready for graduation i've
haven't had time to seek out milwaukee lilith fair tickets. a few of you
on the list have suggested i try ticket master, but i can't find the
number in the phone book and don't have internet access to seek it out.
if anyone out there can help me i would be forever grateful. i have yet
to make an ig concert, and don't want to miss the only wisconsin show.

jeremy

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date:         thu, 29 may 1997 00:20:30 -0700
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hey kind friends~

        just barely back from atlanta for a day now and so here's my post
about this extraordinary weekend!
        first and foremost was how nice all of the people in decatur and
atlanta were to me, penelope and pj during our stay.  the 3 of us stayed at
the garden house bed & breakfast near decatur square on friday-monday run by
doug and rhoda joiner. their southern hospitality was beyond anything i have
ever experienced or imagined!  i highly recommend that anyone going to
decatur stay there if possible.  rhoda and doug are truly sweet and amazing
folks!
        two other nights our crew (or part thereof) stayed with lister
bonnie and nancy in decatur, who were equally gracious to us -- thanks again
bonnie!!! :)
        jeff at rdr provided us with a wealth of information and kindness!
and eddie owen of eddie's attic bought all three of us free drinks all night
monday.  what a guy! ;)
        decaturians and lister allison and fiance will invited several of us
to their house early sunday morning for an impromtu jam session.
unfortunately, we massacred the girls songs pretty badly (especially me :o),
but most of us had a great time anyway!
        now how's that for a bunch of nice people, huh? :) :)

        other very nice folks were the local musicians who we saw play in
decatur all throughout the weekend....don conoscenti, matthew kahler, kevin
and kathy danzig, mark reynolds, shawn mullins, de de vogt, michelle malone
(truly amazing live!).  these atlanta artists are all immensely talented!
sunday night was an incredible jam session at eddie's including *all* of the
above!!!  eddie's rocks!!!! :)

        second, we met (by my count) 22 ig listers and 9 or more other
friends and fans of indigo girls.  besides us 3 there was julie, shannon,
allison, will, joan m., holly, jendy, lisa (ween), susi b., deb, susan,
jocelyn, casey, rich, lisa t., emily m., amy s., james, darren, amy and her
brother (sorry i forgot your name :o), erin, david, gordon, cathy, jennifer,
bonnie & nancy.  everyone was a real pleasure to meet and 14 of us met at
the flying biscuit on saturday afternoon!

        third, oh, did i mention that the ig's also played three times last
weekend at chastain park?  chastain is really strange in that the picnicing
is *primary* it seems...table cloths, bouquets of flowers, wine and cheese,
sushi, candles...lots of candles, which looked very cool at night!
        friday night was very good imho, although i probably owe the people
around me (including deb and susan) an apology for talking too much to the
cute girl sitting next to me from louisiana who was drinking foster's beer
through a straw and who asked me, "so amy's the blonde and emily's the dark
haired one?"  she obviously needed some counseling ;)  friday they played
all the sots cd selections.
        saturday night was tremendous for us, in large part i'm sure b/c of
our close proximity to the stage; but the joint was a rockin' -- lots of
singing and dancing.  vadalia (the opening act) was a very good
country-style band and amy sang one song with them.  michelle malone came
onstage for wild horses and ctf.
        sunday the crowd was much more subdued.  the girls opened with the
water is wide with superb harmonies and it was my fave song of the evening,
even tho they also played world falls which i had never heard live before
and was also muy excellante.
        amy broke a string on the 3rd song it's alright and seemed really
pissed off!!  subsequently she followed that one up with three more broken
strings :o
        gerard mchugh made a guest appearance for thin line and michelle
malone once again sang wild horses.  both gerard and mm came out for ctf.
the girls also played kid fears which was a special treat for me!

lots of good food also.... including micks, the flying biscuit,
garden house b&b, the purple cactus, eddie's, the decatur square festival,
and hard rock cafe - atlanta.

it was just wonderful!! :)

thanks y'all~
tony

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date:         wed, 28 may 1997 22:21:38 -1000
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here's the article taken from the creative loafing website.  reprinted
without permission...the many typos and formatting errors are mine.
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                                  hey kind friend
                          the indigo girls greet the sun
                                   by gina webb

         the first time i went to chiapas was treacherous, says amy ray.
"we were
         down in the rain forest, camping, and it was muddy and there were
so many
         people there, packed into these old buses. one trip [into the
jungle) was 150
         miles, and it took me 20 hours because of all the breakdowns and
all the                   police checkpoints, because they're so
militarized. i had to camp out on the          porch of an abandoned
hospital that night."

         it's a friday evening, and amy and emily are over at rehearse no
more, the
         studio under 1-85, getting ready to start the indigo girls' most
recent tour,
         which kicked off last week at chastain park with three sold-out
shows, local
         bands opening for two of them. the visit to chiapas amy's talking
about took
         place about a year and a half ago, as part of an international
conference          hosted by the zapatistas, mexico's indigenous people,
now fighting for their          land rights. talks during that time focused
on the globalization of the          economy and the north american free
trade agreement nafta), and how                  those are impacting both
american and mexican cultures, the arts, and          women.

         "it was great," amy says of the never-ending bus trip. "the
dynamics of
         humans, a little microcosm inside the bus. you know, it was so
stereotypical it
         freaked me out -- the italians were having a party, the germans
were          organizing everybody. the people from america were
apologizing the whole          time, and the mexicans were singing!"

         in fact, the ability to keep singing in the face of opposition and
loss is, to a
         certain extent, what the indigo girls' new album, shaming of the
sun, is          about. certainly, it's about the indigo girls' ability to
convey the political          within the context of the personal, so that,
listening to the record, you          wonder how -- and why -- the two ever
got separated. and it's also about          how emily saliers and amy ray,
who spend a lot of time apart when not on          tour, got together and
without a producer (they recruited their engineer,          david leonard,
to co-produce), managed to put together their very different
personalities to come up with one of the best records they've ever made.
not          only is it full of great songs, not only does it cover a
gratifying range of          emotion, but it's a record that's done with a
flourish, a confidence born out          of experience and touring, a sort
of swagger and edginess and openness that          was the result of, well,
an accident.

         neither amy nor emily knew, when they first started recording,
that they          were going to co-produce the album with leonard (and
peter collins, who          worked on the album the first two weeks). the
original plan was to get a big-                  deal producer on the
strength of their name, their record sales, their          reputation.
except nobody they chose was interested.

         "i wanted daniel lanois," amy says. "or you know, one of those
cool guys.
         and no one was interested. yeah." she laughs. amy laughing is a
great
         experience: low-pitched, slightly hoarse. you can't always tell if
she thinks                   it's funny or if the irony makes her crack up.
she adds that there were some          takers, "but it wasn't who we felt
we were right with. some people's          schedules didn't work with ours.
but somebody like daniel lanois, who was          someone i'd always wanted
to work with -- he just wasn't interested. and i          was like, 'oh, my
god, i'm blown away.' because he's like, my favorite."  so,          as amy
tells it, "we're like, in the studio, and we look over at our engineer,
     and we're like, "well, dave? ..."

         with leonard co-producing, shaming of the sun proceeded. not
unshakily.
         "to go from thinking that's the way we were going to do it," emily
says, "and
         deciding we were going to do it on our own, and feeling shaky
about that, and                         then getting into it and creating
the record -- it gave me a sense of                   gratification that
hadn't happened in the past. just because we did it on our
own."

         much of the record is similar to past albums. the indigo girls'
trademark
         harmonies are ever-present in songs like "caramia" and "it's all
right," and                   the politics are there from the start, in the
title song, a not-so-gentle              reminder that we will never own
the united states in the way we've been          raised to think we do:
"they say we be looking for illegal immigrants can we          check your
car/i say you know it's funny i think we were on the same boat
back in 1694." along with regular rhythm section jerry marotta on drums
     and sara lee on bass, and local musicians such as michael lorant (big
fish          ensemble) and chris verene (rock*a*teens), who have also
appeared on                   other indigo records, local players dallas
austin, sheila doyle, michelle         malone, candi jiosne and the entire
cast of smoke were brought in to do                                 backup
vocals and play various instruments.

        the indigo girls are nothing if not big fans of atlanta's music
scene, where
        they've maintained strong ties and never seem to experience the
alienation                felt by other successful atlanta bands. but as
amy explained it to me, their
        community involvement isn't merely the result of being beloved and
                       respected; it takes effort.

        "the community can either accept or reject you," she says. "you
have to sort         of work at it. emily stays involved through various
means, she jams with other
        bands, and daemon [amy's record label] kind of keeps me tapped into
things.
        the thing that's so good about atlanta is that for some reason they
don't look         at us and go, 'well, we don't want to include you
anymore because now you're         off and doing this other stuff which i
always got scared about. i thought,        'well, if i'm gone all the time,
how much is someone going to feel like including        me?' but you've got
to make a concerted effort. and really, atlanta is where        we get all
of our inspiration. when people ask, 'who are you influenced by?'
it's always some local band. that's who i'm listening to on the cd player,
      usually."

       so what happened as a result of this combination of the familiar and
   the        stark-raving unpredictable? besides the fact that steve earle
showed up to               play harmonica and sing backup vocals on "shame
on you"?
       it rocks. on songs like "cut it out," you can hear a searing
electric guitar               about halfway through that will have you
flipping through the cd credits to          and out who it is.

       it's full of unexpected elements that work: native american group
ulali doing
       powerful and haunting backup chants on "shed your skin," and atlanta
band
       smoke adding their vagabond ambience to "hey kind friend." the
full-on
       orchestra sound  "caramia."

       it's raw. if you think "galilleo" was an open-ended question, wait
until you                  listen to "leeds," emily's song that ends up
right where it began, in the dark
       where "the steeples pierce the skylight till the last of it bleeds."
or "shed        your skin," where some of the lyrics that amy sings aren't
even written yet.

       "i actually spent less time poring over these songs in terms of
crafting         them,"  say emily, sucking on a cough drop (she's
currently fighting a case of                 vocal nodules). i sort of
birthed them and let them go.  in the past, i've         always stuck to a
certain songwriting style:  poring over and over and over         the
lyrics, trying to change little things, augment them, tweak them. i did a
                      lot less of that this time." she also plays that
scorching guitar on "cut it               out," which is why amy claims
she's not the only angry one on the record.
       and you don't necessarily hear it in the lyrics, but you hear it in
what        she's playing on the guitar. when you hear what she puts on my
songs, you can        hear something really dark that goes on inside her,
that nobody knows about."

      according to amy, that first week or so in the studio is "always
scary," until
      she and emily start working up the songs and planning arrangements.
"but this                 time it was really --" amy pauses. "mine and
emily's songs on this album are
      radically different." and although they had david leonard holding
things
      together, they were basically doing it themselves. and in a lot of
cases, doing it
      live. so, with nobody directing the give-and-take, it was up to emily
and amy
      to voluntarily go places they wouldn't normally go.

      "i said [to emily), 'i'm going to ask you to play a certain way and
do a certain
      thing," amy recalls. "like in 'don't give that girl a gun,' i wanted
her to play
      electric guitar in a way she wouldn't normally do, and she really
ended up being
      more herself. it's inside her, and she knows how to do it, and so we
would do a
      song like 'scooter boys,' and she wasn't even in the right tuning,
she was just
      hooked up and messing around. i started playing the song, we learned
it in 10
      minutes and then we recorded it. that was it. we kept that take."

      amy's turn came on "caramia," the swooning, arching love song with
the five
      violins, two violas and two cellos -- in fact, a song whose harmonies
were
      written by amy. but when they recorded it, emily asked amy to do
"things i
      wouldn't even think of that wouldn't occur to me to do," amy recalls.
"she
      [said] to me, 'i think that note might not be right, can you do this
instead.' or,             'i think that might be a little too harsh.' or,
'i didn't want your voice to stick              out that much, can you try
singing back a little bit."' but don't mistake this       for a compromise:
"[emily]" produces her own songs and i produce mine. we       take
direction from each other. and there's a lot of things she challenged me
   on this time." and vice-versa? "it's stuff that's inside us both but
it's not       what we would naturally do."

       shaming of the sun is about letting things come out uncensored --
unfinished               in some cases, like the lyrics yet to be written
for "shed your skin," about
       discovering that "stuff inside. " like "burn all the letters," which
has a '60s
       soul music feel to it augmented by andy stochansky (of ani difranco
fame)        on talking drum and dumbek, and a more roll than rock chorus
provided by               ulali. emily, whose favorite music is funk, soul,
rap, hip-hop and etta james,        didn't think she had it in her either.

       "i can't project that same kind of soul, but i feel it inside," says
emily.
       "if i came out on that song, it's because we were in the studio
jamming when i        wrote it. so it wasn't like i just sat down with my
guitar and came up with a               funky groove. i found a few chords
and sara started playing and jerry        started playing, and that's how
that got released, in that kind of a groove."              she waits a
beat, "and then, of course, i pored over the lyrics. i worked on
those lyrics a long time."

       and what about amy's "scooter boys," with its unmistakable
similarity to
       midnight oil's "beds are burning"? was that a mistake? "i was down
in new
       orleans hanging out," amy explains, "and midnight oil was recording
at
       kingsway with daniel lanois, and i had a long conversation with
peter
       [garrett] about politics and stuff when i finished writing "scooter
boys," i
       was singing it like he would have sung it -- not as a joke, but
thinking of peter,
       because i love him, he's got such a distinctive voice." and they
kept that take,
       too. they kept lyrics and songs that, as emily puts it, "teeter on
the edge."
       they just went with it.

        like sleeping on the porch of an abandoned hospital, "going with
it" comes of
        being on the road, of having to extend themselves. and part of the
indigo         girls' ability to reach into the local music scene can be
attributed as well to         their habits of reaching into communities all
over the country on their honor         the earth tour--which works to
publicize and affect environmental issues on         native american the
second of which is scheduled for this september.

        the songs on shaming reflect the band's politics and social
awareness despite
        the fact that the album is not, overall, particularly political. it
doesn't slam
        anything in your face; nor does it alternate political songs with
personal ones.
        everything is part of the whole, there is no separation of the two.

        amy credits a three-year involvement in activism: "i got involved
in political
        and social issues during [that time) in a way that really exploded.
so any song
        that i wrote that was a love song ended up being about politics,
too. because                        i  had to take a stand and say, 'look,
i want to be an activist, that1s what i         want to be -- and if it
doesn't fit in with what's going on, well, i can't         change. for me,
my love songs turned into political songs because i was         fighting to
keep both things. i was fighting for my politics because i wanted
to hang onto them, and i wanted to be an activist and continue my work, but
i         didn't want to lose my relationship."

        with so much of male-dominated politics see-sawing between the
impersonal,
        objective approach and the scandal (senators, it seems, and
presidential
        candidates don't have love lives until someone suddenly accuses
them of sexual
        harassment or adultery; most politicians are seen only in their
roles as
        decision-makers and hand-shakers), one has to wonder: if love and
politics
        were better aligned, would we be logging the rainforests and
threatening the
        livelihood and welfare of south america's indigenous population?

        "i think it's naive for us to say so," amy answers, "but it's a
truth i would                love to have. i remember when we were in
alaska and we were out on this         boat, touring prince william sound
with some other indian activists and some         people from the eyak rain
forest preservation project, and we were trying         to talk the exxon
valdez oil spill trustees into using the money that was         awarded to
them to help save the rain forest from being logged for timber.        and
we're on this boat, and it's pristine and gorgeous, and i said to the guy i
       was with, 'you know, why don't you just bring those guys down here?
don't        you bring the people out here to look at this, why don't you
bring your        congress people out here?' and he said, 'they won't
come.' and i asked,        'why?' and he said, 'because i think they feel
it will mess up their        objectivity if they see this.'

"you know what i'm saying? it's like, that's the problem.

       'and that's where love comes into it. if you understood love and
respect on a
       personal level, you wouldn't be doing this shit. and i think people
are scared,
       and think, if we're exposed to it, we're not going to be able to
think clear. but
       that's just the point. if you can think so clearly, then something's
wrong.
       because nothing's black and white."

       emily and amy went together on the second trip to mexico, taking a
     delegation led by the u.s. representative for the zapatistas, cecilia
      rodriguez, with them. it was a fact-finding mission and also a
protest against        the u.s. government's involvement in funding the
mexican military, which is        being used against the indigenous people
to take over land the government        wants used and bought by
corporations all over the world.

       it sounds eerily similar, as amy describes it, to the way the united
states
       worked out its land holdings 200 or so years ago. "you know," she
says,        "'let's take all the indians and move them around until
they're on a piece of        land that we don't want."' the zapatistas and
others in mexico don't own any        land -- or at least, they don't now.
"there was a system of communal land,"       amy explains,  'that was put
into place in 1917 after the revolution, where       agrarian land was
basically set aside, and they would all farm it with this
understanding.

      "but when nafta [1991-92] was put into place, that article of the
  constitution was done away with. it was 'reformed' in a way that
dissolved the       rights of those people to their communal land. and so
everything's screwed,       and the people have no autonomy. the zapatistas
don't want to be completely
      sovereign or anything. they want the mexican people to create a great
system
      of government that's truly democratic, and they want representation
in that
      government. they want to be able to say what happens to their land,
they want
      healthcare, they want farming assistance, and they want to be part of
what's
      going on. and they aren't.

      it's typical of both emily and amy to disclaim any credit for
changing things.       in no conversations i have ever had with them have
they asserted any sort of
      imperialism, any desire to force the process of social change. we
went to
      mexico to learn more, to become more aware, they both said, adding
that it is
      not up to well-meaning white american musicians to strong-arm the
process
      into being.

      "the zapatistas feel very strongly about this," amy tells me. "it's
their                      mission. and their people's mission and the
community's mission and mexico's       mission to take care of what's going
on in their country. but what we should be       doing is to make sure that
our government doesn't tolerate the inhumanities to       go on -- with the
help of our tax dollars!

      "people are thrown in jail, women are raped, people are tortured. i
mean, it's
      disgusting. and we look at that and say it's not a human rights
issue? it is. and
      our government should step in and say, 'we're not going to give you
anymore
      money. this stuff has got to stop.' you know, there've been ongoing
      negotiations for a long time, and the mexican government still hasn't
honored
      what they originally set out to honor, which was to demilitarize the
area while
      the negotiations are going on. we go there, and the tanks roll
through the
      village twice a day, and some of them are american tanks -- maybe not
all of
      them, but some of the guns are, the planes are, the helicopters."

      in fact, the indigo girls say they've learned from the zapatistas
about how to
      organize in the community. "they have this incredible approach to
grass-roots
      organizing, so when you're down there with them," says amy, "you
learn a lot
      about how to organize in your own community. and they're very
accepting of
      gay issues, issues of women's rights. so there's a lot you can learn
from them."
      it's not on the agenda yet to include chiapas itself in the honor the
earth tour
      (though a show in mexico city has been discussed). the concern that
the
      indigo girls bring to their causes is especially evident in emily's
explanation       for why not: chiapas is going to be one of the issues at
the [washington] d.c.
      show. you can't help but extend, because it's the same problems
everywhere.
      and the major companies that are screwing up things in the northeast
united
      states are starting to look to screw things up in mexico as well. and
chiapas is
      so rich in resources. they just discovered uranium there, and then
there's the
      rain forest.

      "but it depends on what's most effective. sometimes if you go into an
area
      where people are being repressed and you play a show, and the
government
      finds out who's in connection with it, people get hurt. you know?
it's a fact.
      you have to be careful."

      the title shaming of the sun comes from a tunica indian legend, one
of many
      native american -- and south american -- creation myths that focus on
the
      sun, its powers and its life-giving properties. on the record, the
indigo girls
      have used the symbol over and over: it's the light that shines on the
windows in
      "shame on you," it's the drink of life in "get out the map," its
absence       defines "leeds," it dies in olympia in "hey kind friend."

      in most legends, the power of the sun always wins the day -- or at
least part of
      it. the sun is the bully and the lover at the same time. you could
say the same
      of music, the "languageless connection" emily urges us to hold fast
to in
      "everything in its own time." it may be one of the few mythological
elements
      we have left today, that larger-than-life force that has the power to
push back
      the darkness. and the indigo girls, like a couple of coyotes, have
tricked it                         into doing exactly that.

*whew!....that's it folks.

peace,
karen

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em....kung fu....*l* this guys a real genius. *rolls eyes* = )

jennifer w.

hey!

just wondering if any philadelphia-friendly folks could email me directions
to the mann. i'll be coming from lancaster, but stopping in east falls first.
i usually go 30 e to 202 s, but there's tons of traffic around valley forge.
needless to say, the schuykill is usually a mess on friday's too. is there a
'back way' into phila that anyone could also send me?

thanx a lot!
cathy
ps i'm still looking for a roommate to share a 2 bdrm in east falls for $230/
mo. feel free to pass this info along :o)

there's a word i've seen a few times here on the list and in various other
places. could someone define it for me? i think it's spelled "ingious" but
that looks wrong. it was in an article just posted to the list. something
about mexico's ingious people. anyone help me out?

-liz-

they opened in richmond tues. nite.. this is the consensus of several - they
should not not be amplified very much.. it absolutely ruins their music.

they do native american vocal (with some percussion) music.   one is apache
and two are tuscarora.  but with all of those speakers it just sounds like
screaming.. some music is not intended to be played at top volume.   it is
more of an intimate kind of music.

fwiw the ig's were great.. amy said something about trying to "gel".. well,
also they played roughly 1/2 old stuff and 1/2 from sots. it was a very good
concert, and someone who is used to doing the review type thing can fill in.
i was too busy freezing my butt off to take mental notes..

kathy

does anybody know who will be opening at saratoga springs june 7?

carol

does anyone know if lift is opening for tomorrow night's show at the mann?
thanks,
kerry

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hello everyone!

i am not on the list, but my friend joanie is...she is from fl and is
currently en route to come to tonight's show. two questions--does anyone
have an extra ticket? where will the list members be meeting prior to
the show??

if you could please reply to me by email, i'll make the info available to
her upon her arrival!

sorry for the intrusion, and thanks in advance for any information!

jennifer

i've been meaning to ask this:  for those of you who were counting,
exactly how many strings did amy break sunday at chastain?  we were
pretty close up, but not close enough to tell.  my count was around 4 or 5!
that's some more hard strummin'!  =)
amy c.

aol is immensley flaky in the a.m. hours and i may be repeating myself but
here goes:

was a *long* show...20 songs and lots of chatter :)

side a

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howdy y'all,

pardon the nigc, and i know i am probably *way* behind the curve on this
(i usually am), but have any of y'all ever heard of dar williams? i saw
her last night on the austin music network (austin, tx has it's own
cable music channel, very cool!). it was video of dar williams at last
year's kerville folk festival. she played the baby sitter and when i was
a boy. first time i had ever heard of her. i was totally captivated and
completely moved (picture a 6' 5" 255lb, 36 yo man sitting on his couch
with tears in his eyes and a smile on his face, that was me!) by her
songs and performance. so, anyone who knows of dar williams what is a
good first cd?

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at 02:04 am 5/28/97 -0400, rachel rivera wrote:
>1) earlier this year, when we were computerless and sots-less (aka
>withoutyouness), i was listening to sheryl crow's latest and noticed that
>jane scarpantoni plays on a song called "the book." it's one of my favorite
>songs on that album...i didn't notice js on any of the sots songs...

she's been on several cds i own. i especially love her work with kristin
hersh.

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at 01:12 am 5/29/97 edt, jeremy ames wrote:
>i also bought (with graduation money) ani difranco's
>dilate which i haven't listened to yet, and luka bloom's riverside which
>i just listened to.  i really enjoyed riverside, although until tonight i
>was under the mistaken impression that luka bloom was a woman!  anyway, i
>would definitely recommend the album.  luka bloom sings back-up on ctf
>remember?

i'll second that recommendation, and add recommendations for his 2 later
cds, acoustic motorbike and turf.

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at 06:15 pm 5/27/97 -0600, deb reiser <debbie@mei.com> wrote:
>on to chastain. the cool thing about the place is that you can carry in
>your own food, beverages and table treatments and have a little picnic
>under the stars. the bad thing about the place is that you can carry in
>your own food, beverages and table treatments and have a little picnic
>under the stars :)

so true. but it really made me appreciate wolf trap, because you can do all
of the above on the lawn, but there's no food allowed inside the pavillion.
so fans who really want to see the show can sit in the pavillion, and
those who are just there to enjoy food, friends, weather, and good music
can stay on the lawn.

>i read some earlier email where there were complaints about the set list
>and how they played too many new songs. duh, this is the "shaming of the
>sun tour" folks so roll with it. the point is to promote the new album.

that's the point of singles too, but it doesn't mean they'll release
*every* song as a single.

>that doesn't mean they aren't playing old stuff. half the set is older
>stuff.

i said as much, and complimented the selections...

>this ain't the swamp tour, and this ain't the rights tour. let go of
>the past, you'll be better for it :)

your reaction seems strong for my mild note of their playing all of sots.
i'm not one who will go nuts for old songs and be lukewarm to new stuff
(though sots doesn't seem as new to those of us who were at or have tapes
of the newport and the demo shows!).  i'd rather hear all of sots than
"galileo" again, which crowd reactions indicates is the current fan
favorite.  but i do think that with as much material as the girls have, if
they're only going to play a 1.5 hour show, they might sacrifice 1 or 2
tracks from sots (they didn't play hkf at chastain on sat.) for older
material.  i don't think album promotion would suffer from that.  but my
comment was really just a passing remark, i don't have a big problem with
their doing the whole cd, since i think the set lists as a whole have been
great.

>i will admit though that the band needs to work together more.

they were *outstanding* at wolf trap last night!  what a show!  the crowd
was perfect... stood to greet them, stood through several but not all
songs, sang along a lot.  amy & emily seemed to be having a great time.
they talked a bit more, but what really became apparent to me was that it's
not so much that i missed their talking at chastain, but i missed their
enthusiasm... they just didn't seem to be having that much fun.  at wolf
trap, there wasn't too much more banter, but there still a lot more
communication: more smiling, more dancing, more jamming, little "yeah!"s
when amy liked the crowd singing along, that kind of stuff.

> i think
>jerry was too, too loud during hkf and that josh's parts need to come out
>more. i think he'll be a fine addition to tour but the levels need to be
>work on more. there were times you couldn't hear him playing. having the
>extra guitarist does make quite a difference (and can you believe he just
>learned? too much!) as does having the violin (although i am partial to
>jane's cello).

i think josh is terrific. does anyone know anything about his band, the
borrowers?

>one question i do have is why isn't sarah playing her kick-ass bass solo
>during sys??? each night i was waiting for her to just wail away and it
>never happened.

me too! but i am loving the live versions of the fast amy songs from sots.
"scooter boys" in particular blows me away, and i don't even care for it
that much on cd. but man, watch amy thrash that guitar on that one... ani
would be proud!

>and i hope at some point they let loose and do some more
>jams. a lot of the songs on the new album scream for improv live: sys, cut
>it out, even soy and it's alright. i hope they go for it.

there seemed to be much more of that at wolf trap.

there was a very cool moment when they brought this guy on stage, and amy
introduced him as "mike wilson."  so we're all thinking, "who is this
guy?!" as it turns out, they brought him on stage to propose to his
girlfriend, and amy and emily both gave him a hug when she said yes!  it
was so sweet!  amy also wished someone a happy birthday because she saw a
banner up in the audience.

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at 12:20 am 5/29/97 -0700, da chickenman wrote:
> saturday night was tremendous for us, in large part i'm sure b/c of
>our close proximity to the stage; but the joint was a rockin' -- lots of
>singing and dancing. vadalia (the opening act)

it's the vidalias.

>was a very good
>country-style band and amy sang one song with them.

the song is called "what a nice surprise" and is on the latest the vidalia
cd, stayin' in the doghouse. amy sings it with them on the cd too. it's
available via rdr (http://www.rainy.com), or my favorite online cd stores,
cdnow (http://www.cdnow.com) and musicspot (http://www.musicspot.com).
musicspot is probably the cheapest of these alternatives.

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at 09:05 pm 5/27/97 -0400, wishmonstr@aol.com wrote:
>in a message dated 97-05-27 18:27:08 edt, indigo@mindspring.com (deb) writes:
>
><<<
>
><<whoops.......i apparently have no morals because i feel totally
> comfortable giving away copies of the ppv event.  my rationalization . . . .
>is that the profit margin for the cable company on
> this type of event is huge, and it's not as if i would be selling them. >>
>
> fine, but please bear in mind that the success of this ppv can be a factor
> in decisions on future ppvs.  i hope everyone who can order it will, to
> show support for ig and similar ppv specials.
>  >>>
>
>i have to agree with the first person quoted.  i can't get the ppv special

then you're not disagreeing with me, either, because my remark was for
"everyone who can order it."  i was not discouraging copies for those who
don't have other access to it.  rather, i was encouraging those who can get
it on their own to do so.  i agree that a viewing party is a tough call.
but i'm primarily concerned about people who would pay for the show if they
didn't know they could get it for free from the list.  viewing parties can
have the same effect, but probably without the *intent* to avoid paying for
the show.  only the individual can make the call, and that's why i wanted
to remind people that not paying when you can has an effect on more than
your local cable company.

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hey all,

i have available two tickets for the vh-1 hard rock live performance of
the indigo girls on june 4.

today is thursday, may 29 and the tickets *have* to be picked up either
today or tomorrow.

if anyone lives in the area and is interested in going to this show,
please email me privately at maawilso@iupui.edu.

if there is a big response to this, i will do a personal mini-lottery
(e.g., put all your names in a hat and draw one).

please hurry as there is limited time to get these tickets.

take care,

maggie

the show was awesome~! my friends and i had the best time in richmond!
the u2 show was cancelled...so that is the end of my concert weekend...

just thought i would share....:-)
take care
rob

how to photograph a puppy
-------------------------

1. remove film from box and load camera

2. remove film box from puppy's mouth and throw in trash

3. remove puppy from trash and brush coffee grounds from muzzle

4. choose a suitable background for photo

5. mount camera on tripod and focus

6. find puppy and take dirty sock from mouth

7. place puppy in pre-focused spot and return to camera

8. forget about spot and crawl after puppy on knees

9. focus with one hand and fend off puppy with other hand

10. get tissue and clean nose print from lens

11. take flash cube from puppy's mouth and throw in trash

12. put cat outside and put peroxide on the scratch on puppy's nose

13. put magazines back on coffee table

14. try to get puppy's attention by squeaking toy over your head

15. replace your glasses and check camera for damage

16. jump up in time to grab puppy by scruff of neck and say,
"no, outside! no, outside!"

17. call someone to help clean up mess

18. fix a drink

19. sit back in lazy boy with large, strong drink and resolve to teach
puppy "sit" and "stay" the first thing in the morning.....

how to give your cat a pill
by peggy althoff

1. grasp cat firmly in your arms. cradle its head on your elbow, just as
if you were giving baby a bottle. coo confidently, "thats a nice kitty."
drop pill into its mouth.

2. retrieve cat from top of lamp and pill from under sofa.

3. follow same procedure as in 1, but hold cat's front paws down with
left hand and back paws down with elbow of right arm. poke pill into its
mouth with right forefinger.

4. retrieve cat from under bed. get new pill from bottle. (resist
impulse to get new cat.)

5. again proceed as in 1, except when you have cat firmly cradled
   in bottle-feeding position, sit down on edge of chair, fold your
   torso over cat, bring your right hand over your left elbow, open cat's
   mouth by lifting the upper jaw and pop the pill in - quickly. since
   your head is down by your knees, you won't be able to see what you're
   doing. that's just as well.

6. leave cat hanging on drapes. leave pill in your hair.

7. if you're a woman, have a good cry. if you're a man, have a good cry.

8. now pull yourself together. who's the boss here anyway? retrieve cat
and pill. assuming position 1, say sternly, "who's the boss here, anyway?"
open cat's mouth, take pill and...oooops!

9. this isn't working, is it? collapse and think. aha! those flashing claws
are causing the chaos.

10. crawl to linen closet. drag back large beach towel. spread towel on floor.

11. retrieve cat from kitchen counter and pill from potted plant.

12. spread cat on towel near one end with its head over long edge.

13. flatten cat's front and back legs over its stomach. (resist impulse to
flatten cat.)

14. roll cat in towel. work fast; time and tabbies wait for no man-or woman.

15. resume position 1. rotate your left hand to cat's head. press its mouth
at the jaw hinges like opening the petals of a snapdragon.

16. drop pill into cat's mouth and poke gently. voila! it's done.

17. vacuum up loose fur (cat's). apply bandages to wounds (yours).

18. take two aspirins and lie down.

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hi all,

tickets for the indigo girls concert at world music theater in
tinley park il go on sale this saturday (05/25) at noon, through
ticketmaster. just so you know!

becky b. :)

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        i must say, around some corner i can sense a resting place
        with every lesson learned, a line upon your beautiful face
        we'll amuse ourselves one day with these memories we'll trace...
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i was listening to cut it out, and all of a sudden saw a strong
relatio, for lack of a better term, to fugitive. has anybody
else picked up on this? it seems sort of an extension of fugitive,
in a way.

just my $.02.

amy k

this is on pg. 39 of the may 28 issue.  it's short and (of course)
reprinted w/o permission.  amy people will love what she says
about amy's stuff.  emily people will hate what she says about
emily's stuff.  i did.

indigo girls, shaming of the sun (epic)

amy ray's increasingly symphonic music continues to bowl me over, but
drat if emily saliers' stuff doesn't sound like orange juice jingles.
the now-awkward rift between these atlantans' styles makes me wonder
when ray will go solo. saliers' voice is magnificent, but on get out
the map, she sings about wanting to >drink that sun.<  tropicana,
anyone?  the e'er-lovelorn saliers is gooey where ray's songs have
more of queen latifah's hear-me-out grit.  shed your skin, with
earthquake-inducing drumming by andy stochansky (he of ani difranco's
band) slinkily clobbers >nuremburg train< as ray's best song yet.
even if she does mispronounce >spokane< in one song, ray dramatically
eclipses saliers' goop.   -erica jorgensen-

*nuremburg train*??? you'd think she could get the song title right!

sheesh.

ann

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some of you may already have heard about my idea for emily's birthday
present. for those of you who have not, here is a description.

i would like to inform list members of a project that is currently underway
to provide a "gift of time" for emily's birthday. when i initiated the
project, i suggested that people chose a local organization that appealed
to them and volunteer what little precious time they have as a present to
emily. this idea may be worthwhile for those who are in tight situations
financially, or others who feel as i do about all the checks they have
written for organizations when their hearts tell them "you need to do more
than this". it is also in-keeping with what i have read the girls say over
and over about volunteering at a grass-roots level. in the article about
chiapas on their official web-site (www.indigogirls.com) amy talked about
how she wanted to make a difference in her own community. i would urge you
all to think of small things you can do in your own community.

by choosing a local organization, not only do you affect the community in
which you live, and where your children grow, but you also spread
"goodness" in various little corners of the world. in my experience,
volunteering brings as much to the volunteer as s/he gives. it is an
enriching experience for many. this is a good time for some of us to be
doing something we may have wanted to anyway. emily's b'day is as good a
reason as any other.

i am suggesting this not only because i think volunteering is a good thing
to do, but also because i would hate for those who don't have much money
right now to feel that they had nothing to contribute to emily's present.
but of course you could do this in addition to donating money to the
billings house project.

some things that may keep you from volunteering:
1. i don't have the time!
rebuttal: do you have *one* hour sometime in the next month or two?

2. isn't it going to look silly if i have to hand em a deal that says i
contributed one puny hour for her birthday?!
answer: it's not going to happen. i plan to make a certificate for her that
says "together, the members of the ig list contributed 500 hours on your
behalf ." your name will be listed on the certificate along with the names
of others, and we know em is going to hang this certificate up on her
bedroom wall :)

3. what sorts of volunteering count? i don't want to join an organization
and do it for the rest of my life!
answer: if you think about it creatively, a lot of things count. i am going
to be helping my son's class make "rice babies" (bunch of rice bound in a
sock and they draw faces on it) for mother's day as part of my work. i am
organizing and running two booths at a local parade to raise money for area
charities. one of the other volunteers works in a feminist bookstore.
others are helping friends caught up in natural disasters. one-time deals
count as do long-term commitments. if you are interested in more ideas,
e-mail me privately and i shall come up with a list of small but sweet
things you can do. or email me with your small but sweet idea.

4. who *cares* about all of this???!!!!
answer : apparently amy and emily do care about this. very much.

please join us in this effort, even if you can contribute only one hour. an
hour each from every person who reads this may add up to a lot. if you just
can't bring yourself to do it, try to rope a friend into doing it. convert
somebody else :) . e-mails of volunteer offers accepted gratefully at the
address below:

urvashi u.pitre@tcu.edu

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hi folks,

i live in palo alto and i'm looking for a guitar teacher since my last
one moved out of the area. ideally, i'd love to find an ig fan who
could help me work on ig songs.:)
if you know someone who teaches in this area, please let me know.

thanks,

monique

in philly, "special guests ulali" -- i assume they'll "open"? i just can't
wait to hear their harmonies w/the ig.

<< in a message dated 97-05-29 03:04:31 edt,guinione@aol.com writes:

does anyone know who's opening for the philly & hartford shows ???? >>

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as far as i know they are on sale. search for greek theatre in
navigator and you should get a link to the greek theatre in la with
schedules and stuff.

monique

rose west wrote:
>
> this is just a reminder to those in ca.  the tickets for the berkeley dates
> go on sale this sunday june 1st at 10 a.m. through bass.  they will be
> selling tickets for both the july 5th (8 pm) show and the july 6th (3pm
> show).  does anyone know if the tickets for the l.a. july 3rd show will ever
> go on sale?
>
> have an indigo day.....
>
> rose
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ig twice in one day!!! *doing the happy dance* soy and closer to fine!
what a great addition to a somewhat dreary work day ;)

thanks again y'all!

marilyn
every moment of peace is worth every war behind us... emily saliers

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the information on the lilith fair website for the blossom on-sale date
for tickets is incorrect. tickets go on sale friday, may 30th at 10:00
a.m. according to both ticket master and blossom.
dr

-- who is grooving on sots and counting the days to indigohio :)

hey.
for those of you who were so pissed at the
slamin' bad evil reveiw in the new rolling stone you wadded
it up and hurled it into the recycling bin....
there was also a section that asked musicians various questions about
there stereos...and the dazzling duo were among those canvased.
pretty interesting...it sounds like emily has a pretty bad ass stereo.

they asked a lot of participants what kind of music they liked to
have sex to ... but they didn't ask a & e. i wonder if they knew better
than to ask them such a stupid ass sleazy question. or maybe they
did and just got a cold stare ?

la de da
claire

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could someone please email me privately with the web address for the
lilith fair dates?

thanksabunch.

does anyone know what the deal is with the tower records offer? what
exactly is it and is it good?

-- samantha

this is a long shot, but i was wondering if anyone possibly had a tape of
jewel's feb 21 show at the orpheum in boston? if not, does anyone know
how i could get a copy?

thanks!

-- samantha

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i'm looking for the person who took pictures at the album release party
at tower records in atlanta. you posted them on your website, and i am
interested in looking at them again but misplaced the url. i also may be
interested in getting copies of the photos. thanks.

anyone in the d.c. area, i have 1 ticket for the sold out 5-29 show at wolf
trap...melissa can't make it. so it's yours for $26....call me 703-532-6201
now!

jude :)

karen so wonderfully transcribed that article! did anyone else
notice this:

>emily, sucking on a cough drop (she's
>currently fighting a case of vocal nodules)

this is serious stuff, folks. really serious. if this is truly the
case, then she's dealing with something that cough drops won't
do much for.  nodules are little growths on your vocal cords--
they are caused by singing improperly and overuse.  i know.
i've had them.  it's not like a *cold*--something that you
eventually get over.  complete voice rest makes them go away,
unless they are so severe that surgery is required.

anybody else out there ever deal with this?

sending healing thoughts,

ann

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(this is a repost 'cause i didn't see the first one make it to the list.
sorry if you receive it twice) tony :)

hey kind friends~

lots of good food also.... including micks, the flying biscuit,
garden house b&b, the purple cactus, eddie's, the decatur square festival,
and hard rock cafe - atlanta.

it was just wonderful!! :)

thanks y'all~
tony

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i am forwarding an update on the mole lake protest.
deb

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      released by: indigenous environmental network
      po box 485
      bemidji, mn 56619
      ph: (218) 751-4967 fax: (218) 751-0561
      e-mail: ien@igc.apc.org
      subject - update: mole lake may 28, 1997

      update on wisconsin mole lake tribal occupation
      records, offices, and casino being secured by fbi,
      protesters vacate the building
      [--------------------------------------------------]

      crandon, wisconsin - bill koenen, a tribal member of the mole lake
      sokaogon band of chippewa indians and member of concerned mole
      lake tribal members reported at one o'clock today that the united
      states federal bureau of investigation had arrived and begun to
      remove tribal documents to initiate a criminal investigation. all
      persons occupying the tribal headquarters building, which included
      the tribal casino operation were asked by the fbi to leave the
      building. the members in occupation peacefully complied with the
      request, after conducting a sacred drum ceremony.

      concerned tribal members had been peacefully occupying the
      headquarters building since early may to protest mole lake tribal
      issues of financial accountability of tribal and casino funds,
      improprieties concerning their tribal council chairman, and issues
      of collusion between the law firm retained by the mole lake tribe,
      wisconsin governor, and both exxon and rio algom's mining
      corporation, crandon mine company.

      no federal arrests are currently being planned according to
      reports by the concerned tribal members. the concerned tribal
      members are watching the actions of the fbi as the federal agency
      takes action to secure the tribal documents. concerned tribal
      members have been concerned that their current tribal
      administration would attempt to remove the documents for purposes
      to cover up charges of embezzlement and mismanagement of federal
      and casino funds.

      the concerned tribal members are thankful for all support, prayers
      and expressions of concern that have been forwarded their way. it
      was the many telephone calls of inquiry and concern from
      throughout the country this past memorial day weekend that
      prevented the violent attempt by the current tribal
      administration, their intoxicated tribal supporters, and wisco, a
      contracted non-indian security firm from taking over the building.
      they had used a front end loader and had beaten bill koenen with
      billy-clubs. he is reported to be recovering.

      "we will be consulting with our tribal elders on what our next
      step will be. the documents are secure for now and an
      investigation could take place to prove our concerns of
      mismanagement of our tribal and casino funds . we have other
      issues we have to deal with. we're still demanding our chairman to
      step down. only then could we start addressing our issues
      including the collusion issues between exxon, our state governor,
      and our tribal gaming compacts," said koenen.

      koenen further stated, "we will be pursuing legal avenues to
      address our original six-point demand. many tribal members have
      been hurt by the retaliation of our current tribal administration
      that included employee firings of tribal members that supported
      the takeover. there was no due process to these actions. these
      people weren't present in the occupation yet they were fired.
      there may still be charges from the current tribal administration
      against our group for what we did. we didn't damage anything. we
      were exercising our anishinaabeg (chippewa) traditional right to
      voice our issues. all other avenues were being blocked. these
      actions will make our anishinaabeg band stronger, make our elected
      tribal leaders accountable, and help us in demonstrating to the
      mining corporations that we don't make deals with polluters."

[--------------------------------------------------]

      concerned mole lake tribal members: (715) 478-3204
      wisconsin information contact: walt bresette (715) 779-5071
      for internet info on mole lake, crandon mine:
      http://www.alphacdc.com/ien

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just a short note to say what a great show! 'course being my first i have
no basis for comparison. both the girls seemed to be enjoying themselves
as did the rest of the band. i didn't realise that josh was a member of
the borrowers, but they have a great cd out..worth a listen or two
ok who was that chick driving a car with va tags ndgofan who cut me off
in the parking lot???
good thing i was in my friends pathfinder , not driving my dodge diesel
4x4, with which i can be very intimidating (but it's a pain to park)! ;-)
peace
m

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

sorry folks, it's gone.

jude :)

ok, more flake...and aol only sends half my e-mail...what is it that whenever
i experience amy at a concert i ultimately wake up and get uncomplacent!!!

<<aol is immensley flaky in the a.m. hours and i may be repeating myself but
here goes:

was a *long* show...20 songs and lots of chatter :)

side a

sorry to be a dumbass, but i just deleted the phone number to get tickets
to the san francisco show. is there a kind soul out there who can email
me the number again? thanks alot.

just a smile from nobody.
marta

"you sometimes have a desire to destroy things..." - my fortune
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just wondering if anyone is meeting up at the show tonight...we'll be
leaving at 5:30 so e me before then if anything is planned!

thanks--
tamara :)

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hi there...
when i called for hard rock live tix, they said i was fifth on the waiting
list, so i would probably get them, but i haven't heard anything since.
does anyone know if standby tix are gone? does anyone still have the phone
number?
any help is much obliged!
stephen

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hey folks..
another wandering ig fan in need of our assistance. if anyone
would like to dub a copy of this show for her, i'm sure she would name
something after you.
we are fortunate ones,
joe
http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones

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date: wed, 28 may 1997 08:32:46 pdt
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hey
i am the biggest indigo girls fan and i just attended their concert last night
in richmond at the classic ampitheater! my firends sitting in the front row
got picks and setlists, but me in the fifth row didn't. i was wondering if you
or anybody you know got a recording of that concert- i would be willing to pay
any amount of money for that tape and maybe a pick!!!! if you know of anybody
who could help me out-please e-mail me back!!!!

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well, you send email so much, you never really know where it
goes off to.  but i figured i'd give it a shot anyway.  i'll put it
rather bluntly.  every girl has dreams when their little of where they
will be at 20.  that was my age of imagery at least---20.  everything
would be done by then, marraige, career, stylish apartment with all
the trimmings.  instead, here i am, 20----home from my fourth college,
on medical for a disease that affects millions of girls and is treated
as if it were the wind.  if it isn't visible, it must not be there.
                                        since about my sophomore year in high school---i was rampant with
self hate and i have been anorexic and bulemic since then---and not
too long ago, it almost cost me everything.  my goals went from having
the package dream to just hoping i can make it back to college and
through it without becoming utterly neurotic.  this past november i
was diagnosed with severe manic depression and every day is a
struggle.  every day i see a mirror, well to quote one of my
favorites..."i see my face on the surface, i look a lot like
narcissus, a dark abyss of an emptiness standing on the edge of a
drowning blue."
                                i can't tell you how many times i've felt as if i couldn't do it.
so i'm starting again, jumping back on the band wagon i've fallen off
for so many years and this time i'm hoping it will work.  the point of
all these endless rambles is this, one night i thought after a friend
had made a truly ignorant comment about my situation---just how in the
dark people truly are.  and it led me to writing.  my passion in
life--writing and singing---and i thought about who could deliver such
a song.
                                                my new dream?  that someone as influential as the indigo girls
are, could possibly save another girl from her mirror.  whether it be
my song or theirs----one girl out there needs to know she's not alone.
                        -keep singin'
        -gabriela pantigoso

for anyone that needs bass phone numbers for the berkeley shows here a bunch
you can choose from:

          (510) 762-bass               (408) 998-bass
          (707) 546-bass               (916) 923-bass
          (209) 226-bass               (800) 225-bass (outside california)

isn't it lovely to have a choice!

rock on, maria

hey all....

i just wanted to throw in my 2 cents about last night's concert in vienna,
va.
of course, it rocked...  in fact they rocked pretty hard on a few songs: cut
it out, shame on you, etc...  they played everything off of the new album,
plus the crowd pleasers, closer to fine, galileo, and least complicated, and
a couple others, bury my heart, kid fears, wood song, and tried to be true.
the girls seemed a little un-enthusiastic, though....  i guess if i was them
i'd be a little sick of performing the same songs too...  but it is at the
beginning of the tour.  i could've sworn i saw amy roll her eyes at least
twice during closer to fine...  personally, i wish that they'd done some
songs that not everyone knew...  does their manager make them do the three
big crowd pleasers at every show?  or is it their choice?  all in all, i
loved the show- how could i not?  but if they're bored with it, i can't help
but be a little concerned...

please don't flame me. =)

honestly,
mandy

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date:         thu, 29 may 1997 16:45:42 pdt
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*grrr* and....i suppose that the lovely lady who wrote this insipid piece could do much better then em. yes...you're right. i'm angry. did anyone else not notice a "now-awkward rift" between their styles?? gee...it's not like we listen to them all the time or anything...i didn't even notice that they are so far apart...oh...and emily sucks so hard that amy should just go solo. *venomous sarcasm dripping from now-forked tongue* ooohhhh!!!!!!! what the hell is "nuremberg train", genius?
okay. i'm done. i've vented. thanks for listening.

jennifer w.

p.s. this in no way indicates that i feel amy is anything but a consummate musician. i admire her immensely...as i do emily.

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sorry...just one more thing. what? queen latifah v. anita bryant?? i'm still angry. i'm going to go listen to all emily songs for about an hour. thanks. }= (

jennifer w.

>nuremberg train<

after much thought, i have tentatively decided she meant "this train
revised".....

am i right????

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygoopg@aol.com)

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after long thought, about my finances and a extremely busy schedule, i
decided i can't make it to gw, as it would probably cost me well over a
hundred dollars for transportation, hotel and other stuff, and i really
cant imagine putting myself, with many health probrems that are only
exasperated by stress, for seeing a show five hours away, (actually over 10
r/t) stressing about finding a ride to my hotel, ride into boston the next
day ect.
i need to sell a ticket at my cost which was 36.25 since i had to call in
the seat was purchassed the moment they went on sale and is in section 2
row g seat 1. i can just about guarantee you will be in a crowd shot on the
pay per view, the seat is amazing. i have not heard from anyone who got
closer.
i am beating myself up with the phrase "if you were a diehard you'd go."
and if it was not on ppv (no i can't get it, yes i want a copy, if anyone
even thinks to call me on this as the reason i'm not going - spare me.) i
would go if it was not on ppv, this is *very* true! but i'm seeing them in
front row seats this saturday, and i *still* have very sketchy plans since
i don't even know where/how to get out to the meadows, or my hotel in
hartford, (the day's inn on brainard road???) if i have to be this stressed
out this weekend -- i really dont want to repeat it again next week.

email me if you want the ticket - i will be in hartford and can bring it
there or mail it thru fedex or express mail or ??

i hope to see y'all saturday, email me if you have anyinfo on a list meet.

mike r.

i am writing to ask if anyone would be interested in purchasing a
first-pressing of strange fire (the one with the song high horse on it)...if
you are interested, please email me at dillclar@msn.com and type "strange
fire" as the subject. the record is in very good condition.

melissa lou etheridge! 36yrs old today.

happy birthday....= )

-liz-

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hi everyone,

i had posted a boot offer the other day and i got an incredible response.
if there is anyone out there that will take on some of the people that did
not make my first ten that would be great.  keep in mind when you were a
newbie and didn't have any boots.  so if any of you are willing to help
just let me know and i'll send you the name of those people.  even if you
could just boot for one person that would be great.  if not i'll slowly
work down the list.  if you are interested in helping out just e-mail me at
svamvas@monmouth.com
take care.

stacey

on thu, 29 may 1997 07:26:03 -0400 liz turcotte <lturcotte@star.net>
writes:
>there's a word i've seen a few times here on the list and in various
>other
>places. could someone define it for me? i think it's spelled "ingious"
>but
>that looks wrong. it was in an article just posted to the list.
>something
>about mexico's ingious people. anyone help me out?
>
>-liz-
>
possibly you mean indigenous? that would mean, to the best of my defining
capabilies, native specimens within that region.

from the way i see it , the show last night at wolf trap was sad . the girls
were very machine like , they just went from one song to another without any
umph. i did notice the crowd was not on its feet very much . we drove four
hours to see them play an hour and a half and then back home so we could get
up for work . i am not complaining i have done it many times , but the after
glow always made it worhwhile . if they need a break between shows then take
it . i have seen them in small venues and large and have never ever had a bad
show . it is not an old music vs. new thing . i only have 1 day off a week
and feel i really should of stayed home . i know it must be hard to be on and
high energy every night , but that doesnt help this empty feeling i have
about last night . i still love there music and spirits but i wont see them
again any time soon . this just my 2 cents and not meant to down two women
who have brought so much heart and joy to millons on and off stage . now
prepare for flamage!!

hello,
     i was wondering if anyone from this list has gone to the michigan
womyn's music festival or if you are planning on going this year.  also, if
anyone has gone, do you know if the ig have ever played there?  i was just
wondering because this kind of seems like something they would have
participated in sometime in the past.  i haven't gone to this festival
before, but i am planing on going this year if everything works out as i
plan.  also, at this years festival ulali and many others like dar williams
will be performing.  if anyone has any info. on this and would like to share
it please e-mail me!!

--peace
--trish

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hi all,

the two tickets for the vh1 concert that i offered earlier have been
taken. thanks to everyone for their response.

maggie

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i just got the psu boot & interview today, & i found a couple of
interesthing things. i do recommend that everyone get these tapes b/c
tamara & heather both did a great job, but if you can't get them for
whatever reason, i have transcribed two interesting parts.

heather [i assume it's heather, but it could be the other interviewer]: um,
i heard you received, uh, a sum of money for, in honor of your birthday for
honor the earth.
a: yeah.
e: are you on the net? [everyone laughs]
a: it was a great, it was, uh, the best present ever. it was, uh, yeah,
they donated, made a nice donation, and uh, somebody went to the trouble to
collect it all, and it really helped. it was, a really good thing.
e: they were sweet people too, weren't they.
a: yeah.

this just shows that the donation did really mean a lot to a&e, so i
encourage everyone to donate to billings house for e's birthday!

and when heather (i think) asked about the meaning of the line in it's
alright & whether she means it's alright or it's not alright or whatever,
which i know bothered some listees.

e: the truth that people are missing about certain things, you know when
they get fearful and they get hateful, and they repress other peoples, is
the greatest truth of all, you know, the truth of love and understanding
and clarity about all those issues. and it's like, one day, one day,
everybody's gonna know, myself included, over certain things. but, so it's
like, it's alright, you know, you hate me now, but that's cool, because i
see a better day and i know that there's a higher truth, and that you're
wrong about hating me because i'm gay, so.
a: i'm like, it's not alright if you hate me because i'm gay! [laughs]
e: well, it's not alright.
a: no, i know, it's just a different way of saying the same thing.
e: it's just a way of phrasing it.

so there's that. it's alright, but it's also not alright to hate people! :)

andi

  -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                                  andrea lipman
                        e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
                 homepage: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman

         "but the tides are always shifting, the land is never still
               you cannot tame a river and bend it to your will
                boundaries i believed in are melting into sand
          now it's me and my own footsteps starting over once again
          but they say there's only room for one kind..."-betsy rose
  _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

gather round girls and boys, and get a load of this shit. the may 28, 1997
issue of_twn_, the local gay newspaper here in miami has a little article
from the associated press, "free concert has community leader questioning
family values".

reprinted without permission:

mongomery, ala-- a free concert by the indigo girls has the director of the
american family association of alabama outraged.

the grammy-award winning group honored booker t. washington student ashley
tillery, winner of the nationwide scholastic song write contest sponsored by
epic records, with a concert monday in her school gymnasium.

but ashley's dream was tom blackerby's nightmare.

blackerby, director of the american family association of america, was upset
to find out indigo girls singers emily saliers and amy ray are lesbians whose
albums feature songs about homosexuality.

"we're sending the wrong message to our children saying thatthe gay lifestyle
is an acceptable lifestyle," blackerby said.

but that was beside the point for ashley, 16, who was rewarded by the concert
after the indigo girls judged her song lyric "stars" the best of the 12,000
entries submitted to the contest.

"i can't believe that the indigo girls know my name," she said. "i can't
believe that in 10 years from now, they'll be like, remember that chick
ashley. that's really cool for me."

the indigo girls said nothing about homosexuality at monday's concert, which
was open only to the school's ninth through 12th graders. it was optional
and free. no school funds paid for it.

but that was beside the point for blackerby.

"would you let nude dancers come to your high school and perform for free?"
he said.

michael dickey, chairman of the montgomery county board of education, who
said he was unaware of the concert, said it's up to administrators to decide
who performs at montgomery schools.

"the kinds of groups we invite into the schools need to reflect the
community," dickey said. "montgomery is, of course, very conservative, very
family-oriented."

school superintendent john a. "pete" eberhart said he had never heard of the
indigo girls and was unaware they were gay.

"they didn't make any political statements or statements about gender
preferences," he said. "they were there as performers."

had school officials chosen a group to perform, they might not have chosen
the indigo girls, eberhart said. but school officials didn't choose the
indigo girls-- scholastic inc. did.

"they're good song writers," [said] scholastic inc. spokesman lynn gardner.
"the contest is strictly about lyric writing and hoping to encourage people
who otherwise would not write to submit lyrics."
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i would be interested to know what the setlist for this show was . . . a boot
would be even better to see what the banter was like. anybody attended? or
wore their black concert t with the shameless mannequin parading her
nakedness about?

should we do something about this?

otts

dear friends,

i don't know how to properly tape a show.  i know i snuck a mini-cassette
recorder into a melissa etheridge concert once (more out of curiosity if it
would work than anything else).  silly me.  it sounded like this (...y'???
lllll secrt..mmmm...mm.m.m!!).  so...

how?  with what? will i get in trouble?  do i have to strategically place the
recorder?    will i still be able to shake my butt and holler and blow kisses
and scream requests and yell..."i love you," and hear emily say back, "i love
you too.....ha....anyway.." etc etc etc.  <smirk- that was galileo on 1200c>

did anybody save their notes from "boot taping for the commoner 101?"

cheers,

amy

in a message dated 97-05-22 05:09:42 edt, you write:

<< subject: increase ig airplay - you?

i had an idea that would possibly help all of us increase airplay for ig
all around the nation (and world?):

we could compile a list of email addresses for every radio station that
plays any ig or even music in the genre.  then willing participants on
this list would send email to all of these radio stations requesting that
they play the new ig.   think of the number of requests that they would
receive.
  >>

i don't have any ethical problem with this.  niether ig or epic has any
official ties to this mailing list so there's no danger that i can see toward
them.  i still have yet to hear ig on my stations even though their concert
is coming soon and sots is now at 13 on the charts.  now i have to get my
stations' email addresses.

cheers,

amy

okay. yes, ig plays in the bar/club where whoopi's character works, but i
could have sworn that amy is the gal leaning against the window sill near the
end of the movie when whoopi's character and the woman she loves are singing
to each other. so when y'all get a chance to ffwd one day, let me know if
i'm confused.

is there an ig-anonymous meeting around here? <smirk>

cheers,

amy

in a message dated 97-05-26 14:22:06 edt, you write:

<< sandy indlekofer-o'sullivan <sandy@uow.edu.au>
subject: misheard lyrics.....are there any more??

i also thought that 'good earth' was girder - wasn't sure why anyone
would want to suck either of them dry - but i really believed girder for a
while there - i was singing along about sucking girders dry for ages.
apparently i'll pretty much sing along to any lyrics as long as i think they
were written by the girls. >>

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! i can't stop laughing. i love you, man...are you gonna'
drink that last girder?

tears from laughter,
cheers for girders!

amy

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yes, the leaner is amy. ig are also in the outdoor party scene after the
drew barrymore character returns home from prison.

i know i risk getting pelted with the cyber equivalent of rocks and bottles,
but i must admit the review raises a question i've wondered about.

i started out as an emily person, but so and now sots have transformed me.
amy seems to be writing music that sounds so different than anything else i
hear out there. she really has a compelling message and focus.

i love the new cd, but -- oh, and i hate to say this -- as a whole em's stuff
seems weak in comparison, not only to what amy is doing but to em's earlier
stuff. i'm thinking love's recovery and closer to fine (darkness has a
hunger that's insatiable and lightness has a call that's hard to hear still
strikes me as one of the most brillant lines in any song i've ever heard.)
and lots and lots of others...virgina wolf...prince of darkness...least
complicated...mystery.

musically, her stuff seems to be growing. but not lyrically. i mean i hear a
lot of cliches on this cd, which i never heard before in her songs. drink
that sun being one. (i do love gotm, though) spilling their son's blood like
wine being another. and i hate to admit it, but the line in the washington
post story about kung fu made me laugh.

i sometimes wonder how long they will keep recording together because their
styles really seem to be diverging. i hope this cd was just a bad patch for
emily and they keep making records for ever. but i wonder...

anyway, if anyone wants to debate em's lyrics and their direction etc. that'd
be great...i'd like to hear what other emily people think...but please don't
flame...i love the girls, have been a fan for nearly 10 years, will continue
being a fan for as long as they make music...this is just an observation and
not said in a mean-spirited way.

oh, and to the person who ask: it's indigenous...as in mexico's indigenous
people -- native...

peace.

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the local station here in the portland, oregon, area is giving away two
tickets to the july 9th champoeg show and passes to a pre-show bar-b-q (i
hope this is a vegetarian bar-b-q, ha) with the girls. of course i want
those passes, i'm indifferent about the tickets since i already have
mine. i've been glued to the radio all day, and i must say that i don't
particularly care for this radio station. sadly, i haven't won yet.
caller #19 is the winner and i was #15 once and #14 another time. i am
quite frustrated. of course, i feel that none of the winners were
deserving of the prize. to make things worse, this rtadio station is so
trendy that i think it has brain washed me. i went shopping this evening
and came home with some extremely trendy clothes. i feel guilty for some
reason. so, i just had to share. wish me luck in winning those passes.
all things indigo,
sam

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i may have 1 extra ticket available to the msg show on tuesday, 6/3. it
is in section 94, row f. cost is $31 (face).

i will be in manhattan from sunday night through thursday so i can either
meet you at the show or somewhere else in manhattan on monday.

let me know asap.

thanx!

chris
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"nobody gets a lifetime rehearsal, as specks of dust we're universal"

p.s. i'm not doing anything wednesday night if anyone wants to take pity
and offer me an extra vh-1 ticket! (hint, hint)

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a friend of mine who is an acoustic musician often plays ig songs.
in po2, she though that (and had been singing to many audiences)
"in the trunk i'v packed a cooler and a 2-day suitcase" was
a cooler and a gucci suitcase.

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for those of you who are interested, there are still plenty of tickets
for the seattle shows available directly from one reel, even though
ticketmaster is sold out.
you can get to one reel at: http://www.onereel.org/summernights.html

monique

hey all,

sorry to waste bw but i have two extra tickets for the july 2 show at the
greek theatre in los angeles.  they are adjacent seats in section b, row f
and i am asking face value for them (29.75 + ticketmaster handling charge).
these are actually pretty good seats for the greek and i would much rather
they go to someone on the list than to a random stranger.  if anyone is
interested or knows someone who is, please email me privately.  thanks!!

--cheryl
p.s. if money is a problem, i am willing to work out some kind of trade...

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our old friend mr. limes is back! i never get tired of this
thread...there's always a great new line to laugh at! :)

this po2 mr. limes (translation: misheard lines) reminds me of one i had,
i think it might have started more as a joke than me actually thinking
this was the line...
but everytime i hear this line, i always sing "but i *tukus* for better
and i tukus for worse..."
you know, like your tukus, slang for butt (or *^^h^^iney*, as my friend's
14 y.o. baby sister says, with wicked hiss on the h)
maybe i'm the only one who found it funny....;)

on fri, 30 may 1997, debra bullard wrote:

> a friend of mine who is an acoustic musician often plays ig songs.
> in po2, she though that (and had been singing to many audiences)
> "in the trunk i'v packed a cooler and a 2-day suitcase" was
> a cooler and a gucci suitcase.
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*********************
lamah rag'shu goyim
ul'umim yeh'gu rik?
*****gwen keyt******
seattle pacific university
bsn class of 1997!!!
gkeyt@paul.spu.edu

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ok, this sounds like a great set list so far...hope ya'll enjoyed the
wolf trap concert! i'll get my hit in jacksonville, oregon on july 7,
can't wait... please, pleeze, puleeze have the boot for all once it's
ready...
and i love chatter...(ie when ig talk at concerts).

seona =)
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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sorry but it has been claimed
mike r.

ok, i figured out what is wrong with my attempts to put this setlist on
aol...it doesnot like dots, like going vertically down the page so just cuts
it off...humm, there was a joke about this about five years ago, but i'll
restrain myself =)

amyray, here it is *again*...aren't you glad i am so stubborn????

was a *long* show...20 songs and lots of chatter :)

side a

the wood song
shame on you
cara mia
dgtgag
burn all the letters
tried to be true (go jerry :)
get out the map (very appreciative squeals of anticipation for this one)
scooter boys (flip the tape, jude!)
everything in its own time (really, jude, flip the *tape*)
shed your skin (i'm mesmerized...cannot find the pen light...)
<<insert vertical dots>>
a special "guest" professes marital intentions to his gf on the event of her
birthday.
<<insert vertical dots>>
pause, this seems to be happening with some regularity...maybe equal time is
called for...yeah, like besides the people who sign for the shows, there
ought to be a small greek chorus who belts out "don't do it!!"...oh, well,
just a thought..
<<insert vertical dots>>
screams...she said yes!

click!!

side b

least complicated
chiapas bound (unrefutably the best song of the night...amy at her best,
imho)
leeds (got to give it to wolf trap, they had all the right non-portable
instruments)
it's alright
cut it out
galileo (ensemble:)
bmhawk
hey kind friend
kid fears !! (finally, after all these boots, a live version :)
ctf (yep:)

high fives to all the listers i met: melissa, jill, carol, marilyn and
howdy...and anna, sorry i missed you! we're all going back tonight and do it
again :)

jude :) >>

just a note about 5-29-97: if you can connect to the above setlist, you
ain't heard nothing til you hear wolf trap 2 (delivered in a post at a later
date:)...it truly was an awesome show. i usually try to stay quiet and be a
good taper but on this one i think i lost it :) :)

hi yall,
i heard somewhere that there may be a second lilith date in toronto...
can anyone confirm or deny this? also, if anyone is going to the
finger lakes show and wants to get together before hand, e-mail me privately.
:)
-alicia

~:^)
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diane, i respect your opinion but, sweetheart, *where* were you?  did not amy
sliding into chickenman from scooter boys do anything for you?  my, all i can
say is that you must be very hard to impress..therefore i won't try.  did you
pay more than $26 for your ticket?

jude :)

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okay, okay so i found out i was wrong about this one when i peeked at the
words in the little cd booklet....

instead of "my my my rockstar" i thought she said
"hey mom i'm a rockstar"

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hey,

if anyone's interested i have an extra ticket for the girls' june 12 blossom
show. sec 26, row r, seat 12. cost=$36.00. i could have two if ya' needed
another one, but they wouldn't be together.
lisa

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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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>on fri, 30 may 1997 00:19:55 -0400
>lisa arthur said:

>musically, [emily's] stuff seems to be growing. but not lyrically. i mean i
hear a
>lot of cliches on this cd, which i never heard before in her songs. drink
>that sun being one.

i had to finally say something about this. i *love* this image and i sing it
all the time. it's not an oj commercial. maybe it's living in columbus, oh
which gets less sunshine than almost any other place in the country. i am
originally from fl and when the sun comes out here i *do* "drink it"--my
whole being comes alive w/this amazing joy. so, basically, i can very much
relate to that much maligned line. :-)

>i sometimes wonder how long they will keep recording together because their
>styles really seem to be diverging.

i have to agree with this. especially after the creative loafing interview
that karen posted (yesterday?). this freaked me out:

>according to amy, that first week or so in the studio is "always
>scary," until she and emily start working up the songs and planning
arrangements.
>"but this time it was really --" amy pauses. "mine and emily's songs on
this album are
>radically different."

i really hope that much of this is just the difference between e being in a
solid relationship and a being in a lot of pain. those are very diff places
to be and can cause differences in a myriad of ways.

otay, i'm off to look at the gray sky and dream about "drinkin' that sun."
peace,
lisa

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

hey guys,

i just checked my listings for primestar. they will be carrying the two showings
of the indigo girls pay-per-view concert. anyway, i have two hi-fi vhs vcr's and
can make copies for anyone who wants one, also i can make a first generation copy
on my second vcr for anyone who is interested in the a higher quality copy. and,
if there are two other people interested in a first generation copy, i can always
order the second showing, but you'll need to pay for ordering it. i don't know
what the cost will be.

let me know if you're interested,

trant

hey, all kidding aside, this was a great show :) by pure luck i put a 120
min tape in my recorder so i got the whole show...do not even *want* to think
what would have happened if it had only been a 100 min tape like wolf trap 1.

i personally think the show rocked its ass off, if you want my $.02 :)
nothing wrong with a couple of hundred people having a good time.

got to admit i was not ms. restrained taper this time, folks. got a little
loose with the microphone and if you get the tape you'll also get a few *na
na na na na na na* upclose vocals from jude and marilyn :) and hey, i swear
i was sober =)

the setlist:

mystery
shame on you
it's alright
dgtgag
power of two
burn all the letters
scooter boys (with chickenman highlights)
everything in its own time
thinline
leeds (have i ever mentioned i think em is a goddess :)
cut it out
least complicated (yeah, just about here ...:)
hey kind friend
cara mia
shed your skin (uali is the best here...they *sound* like skin being
ripped...swear!)
galileo
2 songs by disappear fear...
ctf (and, yes, i belted it out :)

with the disappear fear songs, it is a 120 min tape..without it is a 110
tape....in my humble opinion, it is an excellent tape, well done and proves
undeniably that hand to eye coordination is an over-rated quality of
adulthood...just kidding :)

jude :)

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at 05:36 pm 5/29/97 -0400, lwarren531@aol.com wrote:
> the girls seemed a little un-enthusiastic, though....

it's a good thing you didn't see them in atlanta, because they were having
a *lot* more fun at wolf trap! amy did get a little cranky toward the end
last night, because she was having trouble getting the sound as she wanted.
imo, the wednesday show was a little better than thursday's, due to sound
problems and a less enthusiastic (but still good!) crowd on thursday. it
was a treat to see sonia (of disappear fear) show up for the encore, but i
wish they'd sung "sexual telepathy" or "sink the censorship" instead of
"bring your own god."

>i guess if i was them
>i'd be a little sick of performing the same songs too...

they're mixing it up a fair amount.  in fact, there were so many changes
that i've seen so far in the 3 shows i've been to that i'm going to have to
stop criticizing them for playing songs live just as they were on cd!  last
night, they incorporated "chickenman" into "scooterboys," and i thought it
was cool, but amy didn't seem to like it, and the crowd didn't seem to get
it.  she said that was their last experiment of the night, they had just
been getting too comfortable.  cool!

in general, just little bits of songs here and there changed. maybe it's
experimentation, and they'll settle into something further along in the
tour, but i hope not.

in a message dated 97-05-30 07:45:00 edt, sea8aggie@aol.com writes:

<< okay. yes, ig plays in the bar/club where whoopi's character works, but i
could have sworn that amy is the gal leaning against the window sill near
the
end of the movie when whoopi's character and the woman she loves are singing
to each other. so when y'all get a chance to ffwd one day, let me know if
i'm confused. >>

i don't think you're confused. that sure looks like amy to me!

karen

in a message dated 97-05-30 00:45:36 edt, tm73m@aol.com (tricia mcleod)
writes:
<<
hello,
      i was wondering if anyone from this list has gone to the michigan
womyn's music festival or if you are planning on going this year.  also, if
anyone has gone, do you know if the ig have ever played there?  i was just
wondering because this kind of seems like something they would have
participated in sometime in the past.  i haven't gone to this festival
before, but i am planing on going this year if everything works out as i
plan.  also, at this years festival ulali and many others like dar williams
will be performing.  if anyone has any info. on this and would like to share
it please e-mail me!!

--peace
--trish >>

i've never been to mwmf, but my partner was a worker there for 4 festivals.
she said that the girls were invited to perform numerous times, but they
always declined, because they don't play for segregated audiences of any
kind, including women-only events.

karen

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i'd originally said:

amy had said:
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaagh! i can't stop laughing. i love you, man...are you gonna'
drink that last girder?

tears from laughter,
cheers for girders!

i say this time:
i seemed to have sucked at least 20 girders dry. problem was, i was working
my arse off getting a submission in and worked through the night - with the
only
cd handy my new indigo girls cd - and i learnt the songs from my little
aussie ears hearing the accents of these women over the other side of the
world.
so my excuse seems to be accent. except a few years ago, a friend of mine
(who is an aussie) was in a band that i saw regularly - and was sure that
she was singing 'sometimes i feel like f**king like that rabbit' and one day
i asked her why she had written the line - she informed me it was 'sometimes
i
feel like mucking up that habit' - i still thought 'f**king like a rabbit'
sounded better and makes more sense. i finally conviced her to change it.
do you
think i might get emily to change it to girder? come to think of it i may
well
have sucked a few girders dry in my time.

regards,
sandy

hi all!
no, i am not the record dealer but i buy rare & promo ig stuff from him
all the time.  he called me last night & asked if anyone was interested
in adding to their ig collections.  here is a list of what he has & the
prices he wants.  i make no (zero, zippo, none) money from this - i only
want to give fellow listers an opportunity to get some fun stuff for
their ig collection.
he is a professional, wholesale record dealer so don't worry - his
prices are consistent with other dealers i buy stuff from.  if you are
opposed to buying ig promo stuff, then simply delete this mail.  if not,
here is what he has.

prices include shipping:

3 - shaming of the sun album flats - $5 each
1 - 1200 curfews album flat - $5 each
1 - swamp ophelia album flat - $5 each

all in mint/collectors condition. he also mentioned that he is trying
to get the sos promo poster - the double sided one - it is extremely
cool! i'll keep you posted.

if you are interested any of the album flats above, send me email
privately & i will make arrangements for you.
thank you!
you ig friend lynn in seattle :)

in a message dated 97-05-30 07:09:24 edt,monique writes:

<< for those of you who are interested, there are still plenty of tickets
for the seattle shows available directly from one reel, even though
ticketmaster is sold out. >>

has anyone else ordered their tix thru one reel ?
i ordered online on may 9th and have not seen or heard anything...
the big drawback is that they will not give any conformation,
they say conformation is the 'tickets in your hand'.....it sure has been
a long time, is that common ?
they told me (yes i have been on them about it) that ... "if
confirmation is so essential to you, then i encourage you to pay the
service charge and go to ticketmaster."

they said that 'confirmation' is what you pay 7-10 (?) dollars service
charge to ticketmaster for....funny, i thought it was to cover overhead
and make a profit.
and further more...if i didn't like it, it was a 'free country' and i was
welcome to buy my ticket elsewhere.
choices,choices choices.
you know i really dislike the attitude that promoters cop with the
"unwashed masses"..... for god sakes it's only a concert, doesn't the
concept of 'customer service' apply to music ?
i'm too old for this shit.
toodles.
claire

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howdy~
ann asked if anyone else had delt with vocal nodes.....unfortunatlly!

for three months the coffee house i play at was sans sound system....argh

i would have just not played there only it was during the winter and that
makes it hard to drive out of town b/c of snow....blah blah blah...long
story and im digressing....where was i? oh yes...

so anyway....my throat bled once or twice...that was spooky...i got really sick.

not only did i get those little uglies on my vocal cords, but they agrivated
a cold which turned into a sinus infection....

what is the lesson boys and girls?

dont f*cking mess with vocal nodules.....

so....emily...if you are out there.....settle down...those things get nasty...

i got all flurking messed up and i was only playing once or twice a week....
not traveling around and doing this stuff every night.....

calm down girl! we love that voice of yours.

~megan

bonanza jellybean

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yes, yes. i saw that too.  there's a couple of parts where the girls are
shown.  other than at the bar emily sings mello yellow or something while
sitting outside the house of whoopi with someone else.  amy was against the
window sill.  emily was also shown in the house 2 times i think.  next
timeyou watch it, keep watch for people in the background.  i watched it so
long ago, i can't remember everything, but you aren't confused.  unless i am
confused too......

>okay. yes, ig plays in the bar/club where whoopi's character works, but i
>could have sworn that amy is the gal leaning against the window sill near the
>end of the movie when whoopi's character and the woman she loves are singing
>to each other. so when y'all get a chance to ffwd one day, let me know if
>i'm confused.
>
______________________________________________________

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in a message dated 97-05-30 13:20:54 edt, jude writes:

<< a special "guest" professes marital intentions to his gf on the event of
her
birthday.
<<insert vertical dots>>
pause, this seems to be happening with some regularity...maybe equal time is
called for...yeah, >>

i think they should have some nude dancers...no wait....
all marriage proposals at ig concerts need to be all nude !!!
(from now on !)
i mean it now missy !

cbee

so....okay...
remember how i was all snaggy about how i haven't heard anything
about my online ticket order from one reel for the pier in seattle ??????
well.......uh...........they came in the mail today.
*sheepish grin*
heh.
boy is my face red.
i still think they should give some kind of confirmation that the
order is being processed .... but they are my loved ones now :)
so bottom line...it works...order away !
(but have faith and be patient...unlike moi' ;)
heh.
cbee

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could someone please e-mail me personally (and post) the url of the various
ig tab sites? i don't play at all, but this info might be useful to friend.

thanks : )

visit mediamongr's mind hop:
http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/3484/index.html

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> i love the new cd, but -- oh, and i hate to say this -- as a whole em's stuff
> seems weak in comparison, not only to what amy is doing but to em's earlier
> stuff.

well, i'm an emily person historically, and i actually agree with you - i
think sots is really amy's album. (i thought so was emily's best ever,
though).

to me, emily's songs this time have really nice lines and pieces but
they're basically unfocused and hard to get much out of, compared to how
she usually writes.  and she's usually the direct one, so that's a big
change.  in fact, i think her songs are more different and unexpected on
this cd than amy's, although that's partly because with amy's songs it's a
case of "expect the unexpected".  i also think that over the course of
their cds, amy has been much more consistent than emily.  but when emily
is good, she's really really good...

the creative loafing article where emily said she didn't spend as much
time going over the lyrics this time was really interesting.  that's just
how it feels to me.  she put a bunch of things together that don't
necessarily even have a point in common.  for example - leeds: being
lonely in a hotel room in the winter and watching burning churches on tv -
what is that? "things that make me sad?"  it's alright: things i could get
upset about but i'm not going to.  the only exception is burn all the
letters, which is relatively clear, but the music is such as mismatch for
the lyrics that that doesn't work for me either.

i thought cara mia and everything in its own time would really grow on me
once i figured out what the lyrics were saying, and now after listening
for many weeks and many times, i think i'm just not ever going to
understand, so i like them less than i did. except musically i still
think the arrangement of everything is really beautiful. and leeds live
is really striking, although it kind of gets lost on the cd.

> musically, her stuff seems to be growing. but not lyrically. i mean i hear a
> lot of cliches on this cd, which i never heard before in her songs. drink
> that sun being one. (i do love gotm, though) spilling their son's blood like
> wine being another.

amy has a lot of cliches too this time. the first two songs i ever heard
were shame on you and it's alright and i thought how weird that these are
the choruses from the people who used to sing "the less i seek my source
for some definitive" or "jonas and ezekiel hear me now" or whatever- cut
it out, shame on you, it's alright, get out the map, don't give that girl
a gun all seem to be from the sheryl crow school of catchy cliche
choruses.

>and i hate to admit it, but the line in the washington
> post story about kung fu made me laugh.

<guilty look> stupid as those review were, the orange juice comment
perfectly expresses what i don't like about gotm, and "ponderous" is
exactly the adjective for dgtgag. the first time i heard it i thought
"too bad amy wasn't listening to the replacements when she wrote that
one". it's like, too slow or something for an angry amy song and the
"dgtgag" line gets repeated about 8 times - does it mean anything?

however, how can anyone hear leeds and think of the beach boys? what was
_that_ reviewer listening to?

> i sometimes wonder how long they will keep recording together because their
> styles really seem to be diverging. i hope this cd was just a bad patch for
> emily and they keep making records for ever. but i wonder...

i don't think they'd stop recording together because their styles
diverged.  they said they faced that question right from the beginning and
decided to just let it happen.  if they stop recording, i would think it
would be because at least one of them doesn't want to be a full time rock
star any more and i wouldn't expect solo careers or another band formation
- more like occasional collaboration or guest appearances with other
groups.  bleah!  i hope it doesn't happen.  emily anyway seems really into
amy's new directions, hopefully amy isn't feeling too restless.

just my overly-long opinions,
alison

a dog, a plan, a canal - pagoda! alisont@netcom.com

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the grandmasterbinkster nervously tapped:

>has anyone else ordered their tix thru one reel ?

jeni and i did and jeni reports that the charges have now gone through on
her credit card. the csr she talked to said this would be evidence thazt
we got the tickets if we indeed needed more evidence. so maybe call your
cc account and see?

i do agree, though, that real confirmation would be nicer.

tracy

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>blackerby, director of the american family association of america, was upset
>to find out indigo girls singers emily saliers and amy ray are lesbians whose
>albums feature songs about homosexuality.

>"would you let nude dancers come to your high school and perform for free?"
>he said.

amy and emily performed nude!!!!???? holy shit why wasn't i informed
earlier. ;)

you know i've been thinking about good things regarding the fine state of
alabama.  i've really been thinking...thinking really hard....i mean
pondering for days and weeks.  i've come up with nothing.  this state has
so many problems with things.  i know there are people on this list who
live there and have to deal with the intolerance.  may i ask how the hell
you live there without wanting to cry on a daily basis?    is there a way
to push alabama into the gulf of mexico.  i am sure that if we all head
down and do a 123 push it will just slide right into the water.  think of
what we can do with all that space.  i mean we can make an indigo girls
summer camp for chubby teens.  maybe we can open up the melissa etheridge
gay recruiting/toaster giveaway center.  any other ideas?

amazed at the ignorance in our world...

greg

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alison,
        i read your comments about emily's songs on sots and i must
disagree.  i like emily's songs as a whole much better than amy's.  "get
out the map" is my favorite on the whole album.  to me, a college
student, it says "forget about all the minute crap in your life that you
usually worry about, and enjoy the things that really matter."
        although, i must say, in soy, "you know, me and jesus, we're of
the same heart...the only thing that keeps us distant is that i keep
f**king up" is pretty much the story of my life. :)
        it hard to really compare amy and emily because they are striving
for completely different styles, in my opinion.  whether you like one or
the other really depends on which style you prefer.
        emily's comment about not reviewing the lyrics as much on this
album is very interesting, though.  i'd like to hear her talk more about
that.

becky b. :)

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sorry to waste bw, but i'm looking for

sbeth@gol.com, or sbest@gol.com, or fbeth@....

...or something that might sound like that addy when listened to on an
answering machine!  tucker needs to get in touch with you and needs your
snail mail address.  if you see this (or anyone, for that matter, that
knows who this is) please e-mail me.  i will only be here until 5 central
time and then not again until tuesday morning.

thanks

sarah

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hi gang. its 4:25 pm and i am leaving work in a half hour and haven't heard
back from chris, so i don't know what the final plan is....but here's what i
propose.

anyone who wants to meet me at the brickyard at 5:30, please do. chris
suggested (wisely i think) the back right hand corner of the sports bar (which
is upstairs). i'll be there, i will most likely be wearing something black (i
always do) and have short blond hair and blue eyes....check out the boston
party website to see who i am. hopefully i can *coerce* my dear pals joni and
audrey to meet me there too, so we'll be sitting there looking around for folks
:)

anyhoo, if that doesn't work, and y'all wanna try an "intermission" get
together, go ahead and post somethin but i won't be getting my email once i
leave work so i'll have to get the info from soemone else....

sorry this hasn't been better organized, kiddos. hope to see y'all tomorrow
night at the brickyard !!!

susan

*******

directions to the brickyard

first, the brickyard is a bar, so it is 21 and over only. if this is a
problem for a lot of people, i am working on an alternate site -- let me
know asap.

there is supposed to be a pre-concert party, but i'm still trying to
confirm that along with the times. i think it is 5-7, but i'm not sure.
i would suggest meeting around 5:30 in the back right hand corner
(furthest from the bar) in the upstairs "sports" bar. if this gets too
noisy, we can move downstairs to the other bar (by the entrance
door).

parking could be a bit of a pain as the lots and garages downtown
typically charge $5-6, but we may be able to find parking on the street.
there is supposed to be a free shuttle from the downtown area to the
meadows but i don't know the schedule. if you park down at or near the
meadows, your parking should be "free" (you already paid $3/ticket for it)
-- don't pay for parking if you don't have to.

****another idea, instead or in addition: we can meet at the show during
intermission, about 5 minutes after ulali stops singing. we can target
the bottom left corner of the lawn at the top of the pavillion (amy side,
around section 700, i think).

directions to the brickyard:

>from danbury (i-84 east): take exit for i-91 south and follow directions
below.

>from springfield (i-91 south) or new haven/new york city (i-91 north):
take exit 29a (capitol area).  follow the mini-expressway until it ends at
a rotary.  take the first right (not the sharp right) out of the rotary.
turn right at the first light (trumbull street).  turn left at the second
light (asylum avenue -- one way).  the hartford civic center will now be
on your right (the cellar, which is a possible alternate site is located
here).  turn right at the first light (ann street -- one way).  turn left
at the first light, possibly flashing (allyn street).  look for on-street
parking.  the brickyard is about 3-4 mini-buildings down on the left.

>from boston (i-84 west):  stay on i-84 west, past the exits for rt. 15,
rt. 2 and i-91 north.  just after the hartford "tunnel", take the exit for
asylum avenue.  stay to the left and turn left at the light onto asylum
ave. (which is 2-way here).  go straight through the first light and under
the railroad bridge, turning left at the second light.  the train/bus
station is on your left.  turn right at the first street (see mezzanote
bar).  this is allyn street.  go through the stop light and look for
parking.  the brickyard will be on your right, near the end of the block
before allyn street ends at the back of the civic center and ann street.

>from the bus/train station:  walk through the station and exit on the side
that the buses do not park on.  you should see the mezzanote bar and allyn
street straight in front of you.  walk down allyn street.  the brickyard
will be 1 1/2 blocks down on your right.

directions to the meadows:

>from the brickyard:
follow allyn street towards the civic center.  turn left on ann street
(one-way).  follow ann street about 6 lights until it just about ends.
turn left on market street.  the meadows is about 1/2 mile on your left.
follow signs for parking.

>from i-84 (east or west): take the exit for i-91 north. follow
directions below:

>from new haven or i-84 (going north on i-91):  take exit 33 for jennings
road.  turn left at the light.  turn left at the second light.  do not
park immediately on your right (jai-alai building lot) as this will cost
you extra.  proceed down about 1/2 mile (about 2 lights).  the meadows
will be on your right.  follow signs for parking.

>from springfield (i-91 south): take exit 33 for jennings road. turn
right at the light. turn left at the next light. the meadows is about
1/2 mile down on the right.

>from bus station: inquire about the free downtown shuttle to the meadows.
if not, follow the directions above to walk to the brickyard, find another
ig fan there to give you a ride, or follow the directions from the
brickyard to the meadows. it is less than 2 miles, probably about a 20-30
minute walk.

i just stopped by the lilith fair web page

http://www.lilithfair.com

and they have published a partial list of the performers for the
aug. 24 show in vancouver.

drum roll.....

shawn colvin
sarah mclachlan
indigo girls

just thought i'd share...

ann

--
what a waste it is to lose one's mind or not to have a mind
at all is being very wasteful.
-dan quayle

i have another misheard lyric from power of 2. forever i was singing, "chase
all the colors from your head..." instead of "all the ghosts".
anna

what was the title of the first song with sonia of disappear fear, that was
amazing, as were the indigo girls!

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may 31
debigogirl@aol.com (debbie o'donoghue)
happy 26th, deb!

may 31
wishmonstr@aol.com (elizabeth)

june 2
lianefu@soho.ios.com (liane fu)
happy 38th, liane!

june 3
gaukroge@uiuc.edu (rebecca gaukroger)

june 6
layoder@cc.owu.edu (lesley)
happy 21st, lesley!

june 6
whit.kuhn@happcontrols.com (whit kuhn)
happy 30th, whit!

june 8
atlmouse@aol.com (robin)
happy 32nd, robin!
"you dry your tears, don't be thinking gray is here to stay"
"i can't do everything but i would do anything for you"
"when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones
that are cast"

june 9
jncalif@aol.com (julie)
happy 28th, julie!
"i say love will come to you"
"and there's always retrospect to light a clearer path"
"my place is of the sun and this place is of the dark"

june 10
corinne@utah-inter.net (corinne simpson)
happy 21st, corinne!
"would you trade your words for freedom"
"they say that it's never too late, but you don't, you don't get any
younger"

june 11
spirits4@aol.com (chris)
happy 31st, chris!

june 13
melissa.marquis@fmr.com (melissa marquis)
happy 29th, melissa!
"now i walk in beauty
beauty is before me
beauty is behind me
above and below me"

***
i'm going to be home for the next two weeks, so i did a double
birthday post. never thought i'd have to say this, but to all the
people who have written me and i haven't responded - it's been a busy
week - i'll get in touch with you when i get back.

i don't have time to post much about the wed. wolf trap concert, just
that good things happen when i'm with miah and jen, and it was
wonderful to see the girls again. if anyone has a good boot of the
show (jude? deb?), i will again offer kirsten chevalier's firstborn
for it. ;) oh, and the second show would be nice to have, too.

it was good to see miah and jen again, and hello to kate, webby,
howdy, and the other people i met but can't remember their names.
sorry i wasn't able to find deb and jude.

anyway, i'll miss y'all while i'm gone.

anna

i had to deal withthis during my junior year of high school, and if you ask
any of my friends, it was not easy!  i couldn't talk for four weeks straight
and had to write everything down.  if i didn't, i would have had to have had
surgery and risk my vocal career.  thank god i put up with it and didn't talk,
b/c since then, i've sung back-up for kenny rogers and toured in italy to sing
for the pope in rome as well as belt it out at ig concerts!  this is really
serious stuff, folks, nothing to joke around with.
                        lovingly yours,
                        bethany

>emily, sucking on a cough drop (she's
>currently fighting a case of vocal nodules)

i don't remember who you are, so i had to write this way.  i still am
unsure about whether i'll be able to make it to the tailgate party, as it
depends on when i get out of work.  i have to pick up my friend up in new
hampshire before making the trek downwards.  how long will you be there
for?  is there any way i can identify you if we happen to make it in
time?

-- samantha the ski girl

hey, we have a lot of listers hanging on for the summer and they are parched
for boots: - ) any body want to join me in giving us some good things to do?
where are my dubbers ???:) let's do the newbie tree again. let me know if
you are ready...

blue food
white dot
dugout
purple parrot
chapel hill

love it :)

jude :)

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first of all, does anyone have an extra ticket to vh1 hard rock live? i
have a ticket for myself, but i would love another ticket so i don't have
to be walking around nyc alone at night. or, is anyone coming from
northern nj & want to go together?

second, there was an article about ig in _the record_, a nothern nj
newspaper, in the previews section. the picture is the promo shot with the
caption, "the indigo girls, emily saliers, left, and amy ray: political, as
usual." the article can be found at
http://www.bergen.com/weekend/indigo.htm.

indigo girls are in charge

friday, may 30, 1997

by bob ivry
staff writer

after five major-label albums (including 1994's
platinum-selling "swamp ophelia"), four grammy
nominations (one win), and innumerable sold-out
performances (their fans are among the most loyal in the
business), what's an indigo girl to do?

take a trip to disneyland?

no. emily saliers learned how to play the piano.

"i wanted to expand myself, so i took piano lessons," says
saliers (the blond one), who with amy ray (the brunette)
forms the indigo girls. they're supporting their sixth album,
"shaming of the sun," with a tour that includes two area
appearances -- tuesday at madison square garden and
thursday at the pnc bank arts center.

"being on the road most of the time, i never took the time for
piano lessons, but amy and i took the last year off, and that
allowed me the time to learn the piano. i'm not as adept yet as
i'd like to be, but i love it."

saliers wrote one song on the new album, "leeds," on her
new instrument, and another, "winthrop," will probably be
included in the indigo girls' next album.

"you can do so much more on the keyboard," says saliers,
whose previous instrument of choice has always been the
guitar. "it's a whole new realm of music, and i'm very
inspired by it."

"shaming of the sun," saliers says, is "pretty experimental,"
with new instrumentation by the duo, who've been together
since their days at emory university in their native atlanta in
the late eighties.

"we're producing ourselves now," saliers, 33, says of the
new album. "it's a lot more free-spirited than our other stuff."

backup for the indigos on this tour will be supplied by jerry
marotta (drums), sara lee (bass), josh siegel (violin,
mandolin, sax), and the vocal group ulali, who appeared on
the album.

"they give a native-american feel to some of the songs,"
saliers says.

there's also a very pronounced political feel to the songs on
the new album. that, of course, is a hallmark of the indigos'
sound.

"i think it's part of our natural expression," saliers says.
"when i sit down to write a song, i say, 'what've i been
thinking about?' what i think about is politics and personal
relationships, and my songs are a mirror of my thoughts. it
turns a lot of people off, and that's ok. because even if amy
and i weren't musicians, we'd be political in our lives. music
becomes a forum for our voices."

part of that enthusiasm for the political overlaps into their
personal lives. both saliers and ray are lesbians, and the liner
notes on the album include names and phone numbers for
organizations designed to make life easier for sexual
minorities.

"we've always been open in our personal lives," saliers says.
"it was never a secret or a big deal or anything. amy never
cared about us talking about it in public, but i didn't want to,
for fear we'd be labeled a 'gay band.' i realized that that was
my own problem. we've been out for so long anyway, it's no
big deal, and i'm glad we are."

all the recent fuss about "ellen" -- ellen degeneres'
announcement that she and the tv character she plays are
lesbians -- "paints a bleak picture of this country," saliers
says.

"there's the good part of the brouhaha -- the excitement about
it," she says. "and there's the bad -- chrysler and wendy's
pulling their ads from the show, the rev. jerry falwell calling
ellen 'ellen indigent.' i can't believe people are reacting like
this."

saliers stops.

"no, falwell called her 'ellen degenerate,'" saliers corrects
herself. "'indigent' -- that's what he'd call us. 'the indigent
girls.'"

indigo girls: 8 p.m. tuesday madison square garden,
manhattan. $10, $25, (212) 465-msg1. the duo also
performs 8 p.m. thursday. pnc bank arts center, holmdel.
$23.50, $28.50. $30.50. (732) 335-8698. tickets available at
respective box offices and ticketmaster.

i love that last comment! too funny! :)

andi

             "we must unite all the desperate words dangling on
                 the tips of our tongues into a mighty cry.
                   we can't allow the night to slip away
          without bidding it adieu...i can't hide."-ashley tillery
  _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

dseal wrote:

  "from the way i see it , the show last night at wolf trap was sad . the
girls
were very machine like , they just went from one song to another without any
umph. i did notice the crowd was not on its feet very much . we drove four
hours to see them play an hour and a half and then back home so we could get
up for work . i am not complaining  i have done it many times , but the after
glow always made it worhwhile . if they need a break between shows then take
it . i have seen them in small venues and large and have never ever had a bad
show . it is not an old music vs. new thing . i only have 1 day off a week
and feel i really should of stayed home . i know it must be hard to be on and
high energy every night , but that doesnt help this empty feeling i have
about last night . i still love there music and spirits but i wont see them
again any time soon . this just my 2 cents and not meant to down two women
who have brought so much heart and joy to millons on and off stage  . now
prepare for flamage!! "

this is not a flame....
  ... i myself have been a lurker thus far, but i just had to say this: i've
seen the girls several times. for my very first show i was lucky enough to
have first row on em's side, so you can imagine how fired up i was! they were
exhausted and seemed a million miles away- and it was dissappointing.  i
still loved seeing them and the thought of missing one of their concerts
never occured to me!  every show i've seen since then has been awesome and
i've been fortunate enough to be on the front few rows every time : )  !!!
  so, dseal, don't jump ship! give them another chance; i think it would be
safe to say that you won't be dissappointed.  of course, i'm a diehard fan,
so  this is a biased opinion!
   i will be seeing them twice in june--austin on the 27th and dallas the
28th. it'll be the third show in a year's time--the best indigo year for me
yet!!
                                      outted from the "lurking" closet,
                                                     chelle  {o}---:::
"your actions will follow you full circle 'round"  ...amy

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hallo indigo folks, i know there are quite a few jeff buckley fans on
the list, and this is from the morrissey/the smiths discussion list.

han

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subject: [p] jeff buckley

hello all,
  i don't know if any of you are jeff buckley fans, except a woman i met
at the convention from new york, but i'm afraid i have some horrible news.
during the month of may jeff buckley has been performing mondays in
memphis, and has been staying there for some time too.  last night he went
swimming in the memphis marina, and has been reported missing.  the police
are searching the river, for the fear is that he drowned.  his management
said that his body hasn't been found, and they don't know anything else
except for the report of him missing.
  my sincere condolences for this horrible atrocity.  i have shed my share
of tears, and if there are any fans, please write me.

tschuess,

michael

on fri, 30 may 1997 "a. taub" <alisont@netcom.com> writes:
>"ponderous" is
>exactly the adjective for dgtgag. the first time i heard it i thought
>"too bad amy wasn't listening to the replacements when she wrote that
>one". it's like, too slow or something for an angry amy song and the
>"dgtgag" line gets repeated about 8 times - does it mean anything?

i don't know, but i _do_ know that it's great to sing along to. :)
it has a real country-rock feel, kinda reminds me of the eagles, and i
think it appropriately conveys the pain of a break-up.

>
>however, how can anyone hear leeds and think of the beach boys? what
>was _that_ reviewer listening to?

no kidding, since leeds reminds so many people of the beatles.

peace,
fran e.

in a message dated 5/30/97 6:20:23 pm, you wrote:

<<instead of "my my my rockstar" i thought she said
"hey mom i'm a rockstar">>

and i thought i was the only one... :)

kate

on fri, 30 may 1997 16:49:49 -0400 annajenn@aol.com writes:
>i have another misheard lyric from power of 2. forever i was singing,
>"chase
>all the colors from your head..." instead of "all the ghosts".
>anna
>

another experience with po2... i was singing and my friend thought i said
"stronger than the mustard beneath mr. ed." hey, i'm not a great singer.
what can i say?

-- samantha

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binky duly noted:

>they asked a lot of participants what kind of music they liked to
>have sex to ... but they didn't ask a & e. i wonder if they knew better
>than to ask them such a stupid ass sleazy question. or maybe they
>did and just got a cold stare ?

c'mon binky,

you know lesbians don't *have sex*!

hehehe

visit mediamongr's mind hop:
http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/3484/index.html

hiya all,

i was wondering if anyone has a tape of the rosie o'donnell show w/
savage garden performing. it was also the day she had meg ryan on as a
guest. the show aired sometime last week (i think). if anyone has any
info, could you let me know?

thanks in advance,

andrea

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okay, i need a colorado person to help me out here, or someone who has a
clue about ig at red rocks. i'm up here in washington and it's hard to
get good info from ticketmaster, etc. i'm going to be in colorado in july
so i'm going to be able to see ig at red rocks (hooray!) but the 18th
would be a better date for me. i thought that date had gone on sale, but
i guess not since the ticketmaster lady had "no information" (why are
they always the last to know?). does someone know if it will go on sale,
if maybe the 17th is going to sell out and then the 18th will go on sale?
am i making sense? can someone help? i appreciate it. i apologize for my
ramblings. thanks again.
-sam

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> >however, how can anyone hear leeds and think of the beach boys? what
> >was _that_ reviewer listening to?
>
> no kidding, since leeds reminds so many people of the beatles.
>
> peace,
> fran e.

personally..."leeds" (which i dearly love) reminds me of billy joel (whom i dearly love).

jennifer w.

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hello everyone!

lisa wrote:

>especially after the creative loafing interview
>that karen posted (yesterday?). this freaked me out:

>i really hope that much of this is just the difference between e being in a
>solid relationship and a being in a lot of pain. those are very diff places
>to be and can cause differences in a myriad of ways.

hmmm, i understood amy's comment as meaning that their songs are radically different from stuff they had been doing before, and not necessarily that they are radically different from each other -- amy's songs from emily's songs. i also think that, as alison pointed out, they came to terms with the fact that they have different styles and grow in different directions a long time ago. another example of an album that seems to highlight their divergent styles, in my opinion, is nis ... which came out about seven years ago. :-)

regarding the comment about emily's songs seeming "weaker" in comparison to amy's songs -- while i agree that amy's songs on sots are *great*, i wouldn't characterize emily's material as weaker overall -- i think leeds and caramia, for example, signal real growth, and that gotm and it's alright have a place in the same vicinity as po2 and hammer and a nail, for example, in her general body of work. and neither of them, as songwriters, completely avoids the cliche problem. :-)

i guess what i'm saying is that i think it's a very subjective thing -- i can point to several other reviews where the writer thought emily's stuff was better than amy's, which doesn't make that opinion "right" either. i remember alison said that she thought amy is generally more consistent -- my personal opinion is that it's emily who is. but when amy is good, she is really really good. :-)

and the bottom line, for me, is that comparing amy and emily with each other strikes me as being as funny as trying to compare apples and oranges. :)

apologies for the length of this rambling post,

anna

what in the fnarking h*ll are vocal nodes? i thought everybody had those -
arent they what enables us to make sound in the first place? or am i totally
screwed up?

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygoopg@aol.com)
member - ssim yknib naf bulc
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hey, y'all!

anybody heard anything about the 1200 curfews songbook? i heard it was
coming out last year (and ladyslipper still has it in their catalog), and
yet no one seems to have it. any news is welcomed...

paul

>>is there an ig-anonymous meeting around here? <smirk><<

hi, i'm tigger, and i'm an amy-holic.

peace, harmony & indigo,

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who is the "leeds" that is referred to in this post? excuse my
ignorance, please!

becky b. :)

on fri, 30 may 1997, frances p egan wrote:

> on fri, 30 may 1997 "a. taub" <alisont@netcom.com> writes:
> >"ponderous" is
> >exactly the adjective for dgtgag.  the first time i heard it i thought
> >"too bad amy wasn't listening to the replacements when she wrote that
> >one".  it's like, too slow or something for an angry amy song and the
> >"dgtgag" line gets repeated about 8 times - does it mean anything?
>
> i don't know, but i _do_ know that it's great to sing along to. :)
> it has a real country-rock feel, kinda reminds me of the eagles, and i
> think it appropriately conveys the pain of a break-up.
>
> >
> >however, how can anyone hear leeds and think of the beach boys?  what
> >was _that_ reviewer listening to?
>
> no kidding, since leeds reminds so many people of the beatles.
>
> peace,
> fran e.
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hey everyone,

samantha said:
>another experience with po2... i was singing and my friend thought i said
>"stronger than the mustard beneath mr. ed." hey, i'm not a great singer.
> what can i say?

*snicker*

i've got one too - for some reason i keep hearing
"sharper than a switchblade through your heart..."

hm.
sherlyn
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when summer's beginning to give up her fight,
and every thought's a possibility..." - emily saliers

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oohhh! "leeds" the song. duh. it's past my bedtime. excuse me.

becky b.

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i ordered tickets through one reel. faxed the order in and added a
note asking someone to call and let me know if tickets were still
available given the fact that tm is sold out. less than an hour later,
someone called me to let me know the shows are still well below sold
out level and to tell my friends.

monique

mmedido@aol.com wrote:
>
> in a message dated 97-05-30 07:09:24 edt,monique writes:
>
> << for those of you who are interested, there are still plenty of tickets
>  for the seattle shows available directly from one reel, even though
>  ticketmaster is sold out. >>
>
> has anyone else ordered their tix thru one reel ?
> i ordered online on may 9th and have not seen or heard anything...
> the big drawback is that they will not give any conformation,
> they say conformation is the 'tickets in your hand'.....it sure has been
> a long time, is that common ?
> they told me (yes i have been on them about it) that ... "if
> confirmation  is so essential to you, then i encourage you to pay the
> service charge and go to ticketmaster."
>
> they said that 'confirmation' is what you pay 7-10 (?) dollars service
> charge to ticketmaster for....funny, i thought it was to cover overhead
> and make a profit.
> and further more...if i didn't like it, it was a 'free country' and i was
> welcome to buy my ticket elsewhere.
> choices,choices choices.
> you know i really dislike the attitude that promoters cop with the
> "unwashed masses"..... for god sakes it's only a concert, doesn't the
> concept of 'customer service' apply to music ?
> i'm too old for this shit.
> toodles.
> claire
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i am really new to indigo girls fandom and would like to know more
about them but haven't found a lot online (maybe i am looking in the wrong
places). would like to see some more piccies, would like to read more
articles. would like to fill in the gaps i have at this earliest of
stages in my new obsession (obsessions are good). wondering if anyone
can pass on info (privately or to list if list doesnt mind).

regards and thanks in advance.
sandy

hey all ..thought i would get all the nigc stuff taken care of in one post:
congratulations to:

shawn colvin's critically-acclaimed "a few small repairs" just
became her very first gold album, certified by the riaa on may 28, 1997.

and in more news from columbia:

if you're in the city of lost angles o'er the summer, here's
where (some of) the action is:

jun. 1 (sun)    the psycho realm        house of blues
jun. 6 (fri.)   toad the wet sprocket   john anson ford
jun. 10 (tues.) sweet vine              troubadour
jun. 13,14 (fri., sat.) julio iglesias  universal
jun. 14 (sat)   kroq "weenie roast"
jun. 14,15 (sat., sun.) *playboy jazz fest      hollywood bowl
jun. 29 (sun)   maxwell                 greek
july 6 (fri.)   mary c. carpenter       universal
july 17 (th.)   **the horde tour        irvine meadows
july 30,31 (w, th.)     smokin' grooves         universal
sept.   11,12 (th., fri.)       kenny loggins   universal

*featuring columbia artists: grover washington jr. & david sanchez.
**featuring columbia band: toad the wet sprocket

oh, and tina turner is on snl tonight :)

jude :)

you don't *have* to be a newbie to the list :) just slightly indigo deprived
at the moment =) here is a list of tapes that are available to all only for
exchange of blanks and the cost of return postage in a self addressed stamped
envelope (sase) so the dubber is not out the cost of supplying you with many
moments of ig music...

here's the drill :)

1. get a small padded envelope (the post office sells them) and a larger one
that is not padded. write your address on the padded envelope and put blank
tape(s) in it.

2. ***also put in a note telling your dubber what the blank tape(s) is/are
for.***

3. put your chosen dubber's address on the larger envelope:

4. ask the post office person to weigh the total package and then ask for the
same amount in stamps which you will put on the padded envelope to ensure it
gets back to you.  don't put a post-office generated stamp label on the
return envelope.  that is not legal postage as far as the p.o. is
concerned...they want *stamps* on that return envelope.  don't ask....

5. close up the larger envelope and mail it :) if you are experienced in
these matters, you can send your blanks in a padded envelope also and
indicate to your dubber that you want the envelope recycled...in which case
you need to include a return label...work it out with your dubber.

6. wait.

ok, on to the good part:

these boots were selected to give everyone a good indigo base and let you
hear the really early stuff so you can appreciate shed your skin ;)

1981
tuesday's children (studio)
60 min
wysteria, carolina in my mind, jukie's lament, her town too, house
at pooh corner, danny's song, rock me on the water, father and son,
come down in time, it's too late, you've got a friend, dancing
shoes, long ago and far away, leaving ain't fair, a heart in new
york, tuesday's children

1982
color me grey (amy ray)
60 min
scared to say we're friends, nashville, falling star, carry me
away, anyway i love you, clues to you, always be there, color me
grey, free through eternity, passing time, losing touch, erase the
pain, anyone but myself

1985
blue food - the dugout, decatur, ga
60 min
if you live like that, crazy game, holy city, weakness in me, never
stop, peace song, draw the line, nashville, malachy's, everybody's
waiting (studio), the untitled song, running from the cold, no way
to treat a friend, i wanna be your lover, american tune

1985
the dugout, decatur, ga
60 min
up on the roof, summer-highland falls, the untitled song, rock me
on the water, draw the line, no way to treat a friend, crazy game,
romeo and juliet, love the one you're with, if you live like that,
nashville, fire and rain, drift away, up on the roof

1986
the purple parrot, atlanta, ga
90 min
no way to treat a friend, if you live like that, weakness in me,
love of the common people, house at pooh corner, danny's song,
holy city, never stop, hammond song, drift away, love the one
you're with, draw the line, girls talk, the water is wide, the
unititled song, everybody's waiting, crazy game, up on the roof,
country road, it's too late, summertime

march 16, 1987
the white dot
atlanta, ga
60min
prince of darkness, cold as ice, make it easier, secure yourself,
up in smoke, pushing the needle too far, summertime, walk away,
from beauty to disaster, land of canaan, mandy, high horse, all
along the watchtower

and if you still want more, i'll throw in: (contact me for these)

november 1981 - study hall (60 min) (goin' *way* back when ig were in
high-school :) and a sorta mystery tape called misc live stuff 1980's (90
min) which heretofore does not have a setlist. as i say, the rest of the
dubbers do not have these two that i know of, so send requests for these two
to me.

ok, what do i do next?  e-mail a dubber and ask for a copy and the dubber
will take it from there.  here is the list of dubbers i have so far.  not all
of them have all the boots.  please don't request *everything*  =)  try to
keep it casual....we got all summer :) and if you don't get paper liners with
your copies, let me know and i'll gen a set for you.

dubbers so far:

lmayne@u.washington.edu
frandigo@juno.com  who may need a little lead time to get copies of all the
boots
sherlyn@fl.net.au  who is in australia so, like, if you are in the cont us,
forget that one :)
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu  who is willing to dub blue food and chapel hill only
until such time as she can get copies of the others.  and only during june.

and me, of course: hunterj1@aol.com

we are open to any others who want to jump in and dub....

jude :)

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i've really enjoyed lurking on this list for the past couple weeks-- it
helped my to get psyched for the philly show! thanks for that!

last night at the mann was only my 3rd time seeing amy and emily live, but i
was extremely pleased with the show, especially the selection of older
tunes. i also thought the balance between acoustic and electric songs was
just right.

was it my imagination, or did they actually do cortez, the killer by neil?
have they ever done this before-- i'd love to get a boot of this song. i
couldnt' hear very well, but i think they changed the words of the last
verse-- does anybody know the new lyrics?

the setlist is from memory, but i think i got 'em all, although the order in
the middle might be a bit off-- corrections are welcome.

indigo girls
mann music center, philadelphia
5/30/97

secure yourself
get out the map
don't give that girl a gun
shame on you
cedar tree
ghost
shed your skin
it's alright
tried to be true
least complicated
everything in it's own time
scooter boys
cortez, the killer (neil young)
burn all the letters
land of canaan
caramia
cut it out
galileo

encores:
leeds
chickenman
closer to fine
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hey y'all....

so i work third shift at a grocery store whose public address system is
controlled by our friends at musak.... :) so, around 2:30 this morning, i
hear "closer to fine". now, normally, i would be so terrified that i
would stumble around aimlessly, covering my ears and begging for it to
stop....however, the boredom of stocking cat food cans really got to me,
so i sang along.

i believe i can now say i have seen and heard it all....

the only thing that has ever compared to this is hearing "sexual
telepathy" by disappear fear on musak.

i think that the folk rock scene is being invaded....

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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what in the fnarking h*ll are vocal nodes? i thought everybody had those -
arent they what enables us to make sound in the first place? or am i totally
screwed up?

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygoopg@aol.com)

um, no, those are vocal cords! vocal nodes are growths on your vocal cords.

reprinted without permission:

search on for singer buckley

authorities in memphis, tennessee, are searching for rock singer jeff
buckley, who disappeared thursday night while swimming in a marina near the
mississippi river. a spokesman for columbia records says the marina is about
half a mile away from the main body of the river. buckley, 30, whose debut
album ''grace'' was critically acclaimed, was in memphis preparing for his
next album. he was set to start recording in june, and the album was expected
to be released in 1998.

kirsten has volunteered to be a dubber for the summertime newbie tree.  she
is ready to dub with all boots offered except the mystery tape, a situation
to be remedied soon :)  am listening to the tape now and the first three cuts
are: strange fire, blood & fire, romeo & juliet :)  some you don't hear a lot
these days....

jude :)

oh, the next one is walk away~

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hello everyone!

    i just wanted to say thanks to you 2 who posted info on jeff
buckley's disappearance.  i'll freely admit that i don't know jeff's
work, however, i have heard of him, of course.  but, it really struck me
last night to hear of him missing!  i'm praying that something silly
happened, that he's okay, and will turn up sometime this weekend... that
this is not going to turn out badly.  for all you who are fans - i am
praying for his safe return.

i suppose this struck me because (although very different
situations) it reminded me of another artist who was found raped &
murdered... if any of you are familiar w/the gits... and their lead
singer mia zapata? i only became familiar w/her & her work after her
death... thanks to joan jett, who recorded an album to raise money to
find mia's killer (perhaps, y'all might've caught joan & this story on
amer most wanted?)... for those interested the album is called "evil
stig" (which is "gits live" backwards).

inside quote: "until the killer of mia zapata is found, artists
royalties from this record will go to the mia zapata fund. additional
funds will be donated to groups dealing with curtailing abuse of women."

please note that, to my knowledge, mia's killer or killers have not
yet been found since her murder in july of 1993. it is my hope that
someone will come forward one day and the killers will be brought to
justice.

anyway, i realize it's a different situation here... if something
happened while jeff was swimming... i can't really explain why it
reminded me of mia... except that they are both artists and their
contributions to us (the fans) would be missed (as i miss mia,
regardless of how little i know of her work). i don't know folks, i
just felt like sharing this.

thanks for listening... let's all pray that jeff is safe, alright?

-twink!

>elizabeth deschesne wrote:
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> reprinted without permission:
>
> search on for singer buckley
>
> authorities in memphis, tennessee, are searching for rock singer jeff
> buckley, who disappeared thursday night while swimming in a marina >near the mississippi river.

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paul a. tate wrote:
>
> hey, y'all!
>
> anybody heard anything about the 1200 curfews songbook?

- the last time i talked to the nice people at ladyslipper, the word
was that the book was done but waiting on approval from the girls who
were rather occupied with their tour. they were hoping to have it maybe
in july but with the girls' current schedule, i'd be surprised if we saw
it before fall.
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hey, they changed the on-sale date for aug 24 lilith fair in vancouver,
b.c to today! on sale right now at (604) 280-4444. call now and see
you there. mel and julie

lori, or aka

lhannan@plix.com

has volunteered to dub for the summertime newbie tree...contact her for any
of the boots offered.

further developments in the setlist for the mystery tape...

no. 5 song is play it again, sam (written by em and rarely sung at concerts),
no. 6 is all along the watchtower (amy's dylan period, and, not to mention,
she definately sounds better than dylan :) no. 7 is high horse, a song em
said was not her best "because she had not "lived" the lyrics" but i think
she was over-critical ;) no. 8 is heartache central time, a cut i have never
heard before :)....more when i get back.

jude :)

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color me shocked!!

i just had a good experience with ticketmaster. (actually, they owe me a
few at this point, so i should still not be pleased at all.)

got through at less than ten minutes to noon to try and get tix for lilith
fair in chicago (the one with ig headlining :), and the nice operator told
me that if i bought one of their stupid magazine subscriptions it would
take us long enough to get to noon. i figure paying $19 (which i can
actually get back when i don't like the magazine) now is better than paying
some agency a ridiculous amount for good seats later, so i said sure.

i gotta tell you, i have *never* had someone take an order so slowly before
in my life. and i have *never* been happier about it. :) with all her
stalling, we still had two minutes before tix went on sale, so she starts
reading off the list of artists (slowly...) and stalling big time. ("and
emmylou harris"/"oh, is she going to be there?"/"yeah, but i don't see
shawn"/"oh, she must not be doing this one..." :)

the result is i got gold circle seats in section 103.  according to their
map, this is the best section in the place.  unfortunately, she couldn't
give me the seat numbers.  so i guess there is still a chance to get
screwed.  :)  but this was the only positive experience i've had with tm at
all in the past couple of years.  so i won't complain for once.  :)

just felt like sharing....

:dwayne

dwayne jarrell (djarrell@ix.netcom.com)
"he said that most men were in their lives like the carpenter
whose work went so slowly for the dullness of his tools that
he had not time to sharpen them."
- cormac mccarthy (_the crossing_)

hey everyone-
     i've decided to crawl out of my cyber lurkdom in order to ask a few very
important questions.  well, first of all, i'll be at the great woods show on
friday, along with a few friends, so i'm very excited about that.  what would
make my weekend even better, however, would be to get to boston the next day
somehow in order to attend the gay pride festivities.  soooo i was just
wondering if anyone could answer a few questions:
     - what time does the march start, and from where?
     - where will the performances be?  boston common, right?
     - and about what time are michelle malone, disappear fear, ig (god- two
days in a row of amy and emily- even if it is a brief appearance- i'll be in
my glory = ) ), etc, etc supposed to perform??

any other info anyone could give me would be greatly appreciated ...
thanks!!! take care, toni

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* note: i wasn't going to post this but yknib *made* me do it. peer
pressure! peer pressure!

~~~~~~~~~~~news flash mann music center philadelphia pa.~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i saw it tonight for myself. blonde, blonde, blonde!!! no one could
believe it at first. the audience gasped and then broke out in a dull
buzzing conversation. 3 people fainted and small children were
frightened............. immensly!!!!! the guy sitting behind me wanted
to know if he was at an abba concert. i gave him a dirty look and told
him sara lee was *not* a guy! duh! how could he miss those red "f*ck
mee" shoes she's always wearing.

they also abandoned all of their old material and concentrated on
singing girl scout camp ditties and gospel show tunes. during chickenman
amy did a stream of consciousness about her dream of being the nightly
entertainment in the crystal tulip room on carnival cruise lines. the
concession stands sold out of beer in record time for this gig.

oh all right, you want the real concert review, hell, go ask siskel and
ebert. they opened with secure yourself. i really like that song, sooo
sad.... makes me want to hug my dog and not let go, ever. but then i'd
look silly with a dog strapped to my chest and she'd probably get tired
of *my* stinky breath. the highlite of the evening was 2 ten year old
girls who insisted on waving "indigo girls" signs up in the air so we
couldn't see. we asked them politely seventynineteen millon times to
stop but they were not going to listen. then we all thought "oh, they'll
get tired" so we waited and waited and waited. duh! then we realized
that they were 10 years old and those fu*kers never get tired. so we
entered the "throw the ice cubes from your drinks at them" stage. you
know how, like when you're really thirsty, they give you lots of ice
instead. well i guess we weren't thirsty because we were low on ice like
projectile prospects. i did manage to hit one of them in the head! :-) i
was fishing in my pockets for change to throw when i realized i was
missing the concert because of my angst at these dumb f*cks. so i gave
up. i hope their little arms are really sore tommorow.

on the indigo list the people have been bitching lately that a+e were
tired and weren't putting out good efforts. they looked fine to me. i
agree with recent observations that say that this is amy's album. i
didn't catch that until i saw her in concert. she has so much energy and
is taking the lead and really showing some confidence. i'm not talking
about the usual amy deal. she's different, more powerful somehow. she
really played the crap out of cut it out. you could see it on her face.
she was *in* to that song. there's the line where she sings "your
practicing guitar and staying out late". when she sang the "out late"
part you got the vibe that she meant that the tardy party was foolin
around on her. this was a real strong vibe, like she intended you to get
that meaning from that line..... with her vocal inflections and gestures
as she sang it. then again i'm poetry impaired (right pat!)so it could
have meant anything.

emily's song was cara mia. she went to that same spiritual place like
when amy sang
c.i.o. lots of heartfelt contortions of the facial features etc. she was
there. you could tell that these were the songs that meant the most to
them tonight. i don't know if that changes from night to night but i
don't think so.

they played "cortez the indian killer" (i think i got the title right)
by neil young. i thought that was really good and would love to have a
good copy of that. it's not on any of the albums. i got lost in the
intricacys of that tune and amy cracked me up because she looked like
mr. neil young jr. rockin it out. karl likes neil and he was impressed
with the effort.

we mourned the passing of child abuse laws as we waited in the parking
lot behind the bushes for the 2 ten year olds. i was gonna ask for my
change back but we never did find them. good thing too, i don't think
they have e-mail in prison.

note to pat: i got you a little present like we talked about. i'll send
it to ya shortly.

well ladies, i hope you have enjoyed this concert review. can you
imagine the flames i'd get if i posted *that* to the indigo list. there
wouldn't be enough asbestos in the world to cover my ass...

later

cybernot!

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i ordered the "1200 curfews" songbook last fall. i knew it was on
back-order (per an email response from ladyslipper), but i got this in the
snail mail from them in april or may:

"hi folks,

the publishers of '1200 curfews' songbook by the indigo girls has
the book ready to go to press. they are waiting to get the i girls (who
have just started a tour!) to proof it...we don't anticipate seeing the
songbook before the end of june. we'll keep it on backorder for you, but
if you prefer a credit slip, alternate title or refund, please contact us
at 1-800-634-6004. thanks..."

nancy humphries
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hi.
sorry to post with these probably stupid questions, but after 8 years of
being an ig fan, i *finally* have the chance to get tickets to see them
in concert at berkeley, and i am nervous about making sure i don't blow
it.  here are my three options for getting tickets: (1)  i could get
them from my local gottschalks, but tickets go on sale at 10am tomorrow,
and the store doesn't open 'til 11am (is it dangerous to wait an hour?
i have no idea how likely the show will be to sell out... anybody have
any thoughts?) (2) i could call the bass number and order them over the
phone with my credit card (i don't have speed dial... does this sound
like a safer idea than waiting the extra hour, or does it even matter?
anybody have experience ordering tickets over the phone?) (3) i could
drive about 45 minutes and get the tickets at a store that will be open
at 10am (am i being unnecessarily paranoid?).  also, from what i
understand, there is going to be both reserved and general seating for
this show.  i will be buying two tickets, so i am wondering if anyone
has opinions on whether it would be worth the extra money to get
reserved seating.  i'm more than willing to pay if it is.  thanks in
advance for any advice anyone can offer.

take it easy...

carrie

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gosh, i guess i am in a good mood for once. :) thought i would share this
tidbit from the new yorker, in their "night life/concerts" section (usual
disclaimers apply):

indigo girls--before ellen degeneres and anne heche, this georgia folk duo
was america's most beloved lesbian act. their melodies, their soaring
songwriting, and their no-nonsense stage show helped them earn the approval
of everyone from metallica boys to vassar grad students. (madison square
garden. 307-7171. june 3 at 8.)

it doesn't get much better than having the new yorker say good things about
you. (at least in my strange little world.... :)

:dwayne

just heard that cathley@aol.com
is willing to dub for the summertime newbie tree....thanks cath :)

also, in the unfolding saga of the mystery tape, song no. 9 is please call me
baby (has amy written all over it :) and no. 10 is thin line :)

jude :)

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cybernot!

you are so funny. how the hell can her hair be blonde - i don't mean i have

a problem with it (like i am sitting over the other side of the world and
dont
even know her - so, like i have a right to have a problem with it), but i
mean
*how* can it be blonde? is it cut too?, what the hooley dooley does it look
like.
get typing and scanning cybernot before i come after you personally for even
more information.

regards,
sandy

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sandy indlekofer-o'sullivan wrote:
>
> cybernot!
>
> you are so funny. how the hell can her hair be blonde - i don't mean i have
>
> a problem with it (like i am sitting over the other side of the world and
> dont
> even know her - so, like i have a right to have a problem with it), but i
> mean
> *how* can it be blonde? is it cut too?, what the hooley dooley does it look
> like.
> get typing and scanning cybernot before i come after you personally for even
> more information.
>
> regards,
> sandy

that was a joke. if i had a scanner i'd help you out but i'm a cyber-not
so i don't know what the hell i'm doing. amy is still the same as she's
always been. i'm glad you enjoyed that post.

take care matey!

love cybernot!

p.s. guess who kicked spice girl butt in records sales at borders book
stores this week.
indigo girls are # 1 in cd sales at borders. those lame *ss spice
girls..... sorry, #2

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a friend of mine swore that in "ghost" he thought emily said "there's a
letter on the desktop, that i dug out of a troll". =)
amy c.

on fri, 30 may 1997 annajenn@aol.com wrote:

> i have another misheard lyric from power of 2. forever i was singing, "chase
> all the colors from your head..." instead of "all the ghosts".
> anna
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i called ticketmaster about 2 minutes until noon, hoping to use some delay
tactics to take me up noon so i could order tickets right as the tickets
went online. anyway, i was put on hold for about 6 minutes and was finally
able to order at about 12:05 p.m.. i was told that the only reserved
tickets available at that time were in the second tier and the price i was
quoted was $28.00/ticket before sevice charges. the price didn't seem
right to me and i asked the ticket agent at least three times to make sure
she was quoting me for tickets to the lilith fair at the world music
theater in chicago on august 9th. anyway, she said yes, so i went ahead
and ordered two. i also asked two or three times to make sure i was buying
reserved seats - not lawn - and she said yes.

the bottom line question i am asking is how much did you all pay for
second tier reserved seats? my total bill for two tickets charged over the
phone with service charges was about $76.00. it just doesn't sound right
because i thought reserved seats were $38.75 and lawn seats were $31.25
before service charges - according to ticketmaster online and according to
the ticketmaster outlet i was going to go to if i wasn't able to get
through on the phone before the end of the out-of-town blackout.

also, was anyone able to get first tier reserved seats (i.e. section
numbers in the 100's) besides dwayne jarrell who has already posted? if
so, what time did you get them?

eddie

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hello out there.

if you're going to the msg show on tuesday and are interested in winning
a pair of backstage passes, there is a contest sponsored by wfuv (the
best station in nyc imho). passes will be given to the biggest/best/most
creative banner that incorporates both wfuv and ig.

of course displaying your banner should be done as courteously as possible
and without blocking anyone's view so as to avoid being pelted by ice...
;)

check out wfuv's webpage for more info on the station and perhaps even
glean some inspiration for your banner - www.wfuv.org.

good luck and see ya there...
mj.

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> hey, y'all!
>
> anybody heard anything about the 1200 curfews songbook? i heard it was
> coming out last year (and ladyslipper still has it in their catalog), and
> yet no one seems to have it. any news is welcomed...

ah, yes. i ordered this from ladyslipper about a year ago... and now
every couple of months i get an invoice slip from them saying "well, it
still didn't come in, but we're holding your order cause we think it will
be in real soon now..."

ladyslipper's computer seems to have its act together in a reassuring way,
but the song book doesn't really seem to be coming out any time soon.

maybe by the time it does, i'll actually have a guitar....

alison

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if you're a flora expert, perhaps you can corrrect me...but isn't indigo a
spice? i mean, i realize that you don't eat indigo, you use it for dye.
but isn't a spice just a fragrant, aromatic plant product, or does it apply
strictly to those plant substances which are used to improve the flavor of
ingestibles?

i ask this because i'm formulating an intricate theory that a&e are
actually members of the spice girls, and that a&e were sent here first by
the almighty spice to scout out the place and set up a beachhead for the
rest of the spice species. in fact, i think i have evidence which
indicates their spice names are "angry spice" and "poetic spice".

indigo girls, #1 at borders, spice girls, #2...it's just too scary to be a
coincidence.

(insert x-files theme here.)

justin
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ok, i was gullible enough to be not only taken in by, but be frightened at
the possibility of amy's blonde hair.

on a concert note...
it was just notated that ulali will be warming up for ig in montreal,
if anyone anyone is going, but me!! 10 days and counting!!!!!

deb

in a message dated 97-05-31 15:03:40 edt, the spicy cybernot wrote:

<< p.s. guess who kicked spice girl butt in records sales at borders book
stores this week.
indigo girls are # 1 in cd sales at borders. those lame *ss spice
girls..... sorry, #2 >>

hmmmm......
must be the new blonde doo and the sparkly dress that amy's wearin' now.
:)
claire

is anyone else having trouble pulling up the article for indigo girls with
the address http://www.bergen.com/weekend/indigo.htm ?

maybe i copied it down wrong...
amy c.

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on sat, 31 may 1997, justin shumaker wrote:

> justin
> --
>
> i think that the world would be
> a lot better if everyone put
> little hats on their pet monkeys.
>
> before that can happen,
> everyone has to
> get pet monkeys.
> first thing's first.

but, the question is, would the pet monkeys _like_ to wear hats? what if
they got mad and _ate_ the hats? =)
amy c.

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i just got a new job in san francisco (yeah!!) and will be moving there in
two weeks (june 16th). i have temporary places to stay but would like to be
somewhere around july 1. anyone else looking for housing in s.f.? and of
course, i have two cats making everything that much easier. anyway, if you
can be of any help, e-mail me privately at saraw@gorge.net

sara

hi!!!! i'm a huge fan of the indigo girls, i went to my first concert last
night, and it was so awesome (in the true sense of the word)... anyway, i
would love to be put on the mailing list, thank you!

my adress: tstar15@aol.com

i am going to buy a tape recorder for the purpose of taping the upcoming
concerts. does anyone have suggestions. i don't mind spending a bit of
money.
tips on taping would also be much appreciated.
i wanted to but the recorder tomorrow, so...
thanks in advance for all of your suggestions.
deb

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on sat, 31 may 1997, lawyerman wrote:
> also, was anyone able to get first tier reserved seats (i.e. section
> numbers in the 100's) besides dwayne jarrell who has already posted? if
> so, what time did you get them?

my friend got through at about 12:03 and we are in the second tier,
section 203. not great. i thought it was because we wanted three seats
together, and it is always more difficult to get good seats with three
than two. my tickets were also the same price you quoted. there wasn't
much difference in price between the pavilion seats and the lawn seats --
lawn seats were $21.

i don't care -- i'm just psyched to be going to see ig! :)

sara
srkrause@midway.uchicago.edu

well i think joanie's review kinda nailed it - seeing as how i was sitting
two seats away - i helped throw some ice and pegged on of the 10 year olds
signs ....

the show was definately good ... ulali are incredible !!!!!!!!!!!! i wasn't
sure what to expect, but they ruled !!!!!!

i was completely blown away by the new stuff live - much different from the
demo tour .... burn all the letters, cut it out and caramia were awesome ....
i also enjoyed hearing cedar tree, ghost & secure yourself .....

michele & i booked back to my car right after the show and headed over to
sisters on juniper to see our buddies commonbond finish up their set - they
also played ghost - it was eerie .... you'd have to see them perform it to
understand ....

off to hartford !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chris

how do i subscribe to the list?!

i am looking deprately for indigo girls guitar cords, and both guitar web
stites didn't connect, and either did the main page. thanks for your
help-tracy

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hi everyone,
i have a comment about the lf at world music theater...

do not worry if you got second tier or lawn seats. it is a (fairly)
small place and all the seats are good. you can hear well everywhere,
and there aren't any poles or anything in the way of your view.

i've been to several concerts there and always thought my seats were
fine, even in the way back on the lawn.

i'm from that area so if anyone has questions about directions, etc. send
me a message and i'll try to help you out!

becky b. :)

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at 03:02 pm 5/31/97 -0500, you wrote:
>on sat, 31 may 1997, lawyerman wrote:
>> also, was anyone able to get first tier reserved seats (i.e. section
>> numbers in the 100's) besides dwayne jarrell who has already posted? if
>> so, what time did you get them?

color me ticked off <grrrr>

i was the first in line for tickets at my outlet and i needed 2 gold
reserved and 7 lawn tickets (fer my friends...)  i ordered at exactly 12:00
noon and i got section 105...which is way stage left (but still first
level)...and then when i proceded to order the lawn tickets, the
ticketbastard lady said none were available.  she said lawn doesnt go on
sale until allll the pavilion seats are gone.  did this happen to anyone
else??  oh, and i paid something like 28.50 plus 5 service charge for these
seats.  weird.

whoever said they got section 103 (i think its dwayne...hi dwayne!) that is
a very good section, so dont worry about what your seat numbers are. (all
seats in 103 are dead center) that section is probably the only section at
the world that is totally clear of view obstruction (they have big poles
everywhere)

just so ya know...a good number of 102, 103, and 104 tickets are held back
for radio promotions and stuff like that....two radio stations have been
having "lilith fair" week and give away tickets every other hour...

how did everyone else fair with ticketmaster? i swear this ticket system
just sucks donkey....i mean, what is up with no ticket limit? its the
ticket broker's dream...

laterpeople,

--sue

*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*&*

"i stood without clothes, danced in the sand          o
i was aching with freedom, kissing the damned    #=={o/)
i said remember this as how it should be..."        <<                                 -- a.r.

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>you'll also get a few *na
>na na na na na na* upclose vocals from jude and marilyn :) and hey, i swear
>i was sober =)
so was i, holding right hand up. as far as the na na nas go what we lack
in talent we make up in enthusiasm and experience :-)shouldn't detract to
much from the tape;). i thought both shows were awesome and both a&e
seemed to be enjoying themselves(from where i was sitting) also went to
philly last night and enjoyed it also...glad someone identified that song
that i'd never heard before(cortez..). hope a good tape comes out of it.
seeing them perform their new stuff live moves some of the songs up in my
estimation. for instance cio on the cd was ok but live....wow..and it
lends itself to some jamming and improvisation.
so now after 3 straight nites of ig..i think i might go into withdrawal.
better put on a cd..hurry.
still smiling
marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

the official events of boston pride

boston pride events

  thursday, june 5
celebration at the hatchshell
7:00pm,  get there by 5:30pm to get an nice spot
picture this -- 8,000 men and women celebrating at a riverside park:
lounging, frolicking, picnicking, and dancing to an evening of
entertainment, music, and film.  the hatchshell is located on the
esplanade:  a state park on the charles river.  a balmy evening, starry
sky, boston skyline, and s entertainment by cheryl flynn, julie dano, meg
wright, ellen mccollough, sanrda valls, chucklebucket and double dong.
movie:  "the incredible adventures of two girls in love"

  friday, june 6
harbor cruise
accented by a starlit night, a party ship sails on the midnight blue
boston harbor.  over 900 people mingle, laugh and dance -- cruising the
harbor and enjoying the moment... remembering the past and looking to the
future.  with lots of food and entertainment on both the top and lower
decks, this

women's cruise:  leaves at 7:30pm, returns, 10:30pm, be there at 7:00pm.
boston harbor cruises, 1 long wharf, near marriot long wharf, near
aquarium t-stop, parking available.  mixed (alcohol free) cruise:  leaves
at 8:00pm, returns at 11:00pm, be there at 7:30pm.  290 northern avenue,
next to jimmy's restaurant, parking available.  men's cruise:  leaves at
8:30pm, returns at 11:30pm, be there at 8:00pm.  boston harbor cruises, 1
long wharf, near marriot long wharf, near aquarium t-stop, parking
available.

  saturday, june 7
pride march and festival
march:  starts at 12noon and ends at the festival
festival:  11:00am to 6:00pm (vendors), 1:00pm to 6:00pm (performances),
on the boston common
celebrating its 27th year, the pride march is expected to attract of
250,000 people who cheer on over 275 corporate groups, nonprofit and
political organizations, dance clubs, youth groups, religious
affiliations, senior citizens and families as they wind through boston's
downtown area and end on the entourage of people gather on the open field
for a  sunny afternoon of music, speeches, and comedy, featuring national
and new england entertainers and guest speakers.  peruse vendor tables and
nonprofit organization -- enjoy good food, good fun and fabulous
frivolity!  with over 250,000 people culminating the mainstay of boston
pride, the pride march and festival is the one time a year when most of
the community is together.   if your organization or business is
interested participating in the pride march or festival, please fill out
the  march registration form  or the  festival registration form.

sky/college dance
villa victoria, 85 west newton street
9:00pm to 2:00am
this year boston pride will be hosting it's first college dance for our
gay, lesbian, bisexual, and trans-gendered youth. djs from jam'n 94.5 will
spin in the villa victoria at 85 west newton street. join the dancing,
live music and entertainment! tickets: $700. a 23-and-under event. for
tick

tryst
9:00pm to 2:00am
tryst  1. n  a rendezvous agreed upon for an amorous interlude between
1,200 women. an affair, an event, "to keep a tryst."  tickets: $10.00.  a
21+ event and proper id required.  for  tickets.     tell me more about
the event!   organized by assata, hanarchy now productions, and toolbox
producti

revolution: 'till the dawn's early light
park plaza castle, columbus ave. and arlington st., boston, ma  9:00pm to
2:00am
pride's official all-night dance extravaganza.  boston's first all-night
party is certain to be a success as 3,000 guests dance the night away to
one of the nation's best djs.  with invited celebrity guests, this night
will be full of surprises until dawn.  tickets: $20 in advance, $25 at the
doo

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got the following from the e-mail version of pulse magazine-- i haven't seen
the print version yet-- i'm going to look for it tomorrow at tower records!

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--- contents / may 30, 1997
>>> welcome back to epulse, the musically omnivorous
weekly ezine of pulse! and classical pulse! magazines

     .  craig mack trivia
     .     epulse8: rockie, trovesi, crowe
     .  art and soul: bach's art of fugue
     .     emailbag
     .  john lee hooker: the epulse q&a, part 2
     .     horse tales: neil young live in santa cruz
     .  fine print

- - - - -

--- out today!
>>> the indigo girls on the cover of the june issue of pulse!

+ can's holger czukay
+ mark eitzel
+ abbey lincoln
+ director peter greenaway
+ our annual blues special report [!]

- - - - -

--- free stuff
>>> the prize of the week: the upcoming cd release from craig mack,
>>>'operation: get down,' courtesy of street life records. two winners
>>>chosen at random from the correct entries will be awarded a copy of the
>>>prize cd.

rules: to take part in the drawing for the prize cds, correctly answer the
following question and email your entry to "pulse@sna.com" putting "get
down" in the subject header. it is not necessary to re-quote our question.
please do not send an attachment file to your email, as they will not be
read or considered. and please only one entry per person.

this week's trivia question:

    before scoring with his hit "flava in ya ear,"
    craig mack was a roadie for what
    long island-based rap group?

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5th, 1997, to be considered for the drawing. good luck (!)

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hoskins of greenheart.com, who each won a cd prize from the 'poptopia!:
power pop classics,' series courtesy of rhino records, in the contest of
epulse issue 3.20.

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---  contents / may 30, 1997
>>>  welcome back to epulse, the musically omnivorous
weekly ezine of pulse! and classical pulse! magazines
=0d
     .  craig mack trivia
     .     epulse8: rockie, trovesi, crowe
     .  art and soul: bach's art of fugue
     .     emailbag
     .  john lee hooker: the epulse q&a, part 2
     .     horse tales: neil young live in santa cruz
     .  fine print
=0d
- - - - -
=0d
---  out today!
>>>  the indigo girls on the cover of the june issue of pulse!
=0d
+ can's holger czukay
   + mark eitzel
+ abbey lincoln
   + director peter greenaway
+ our annual blues special report [!]
=0d
- - - - -
=0d
---  free stuff
>>>  the prize of the week: the upcoming cd release from craig mack,
>>>'operation: get down,' courtesy of street life records. two winners
>>>chosen at random from the correct entries will be awarded a copy of th=
e
>>>prize cd.
=0d
rules: to take part in the drawing for the prize cds, correctly answer th=
e
following question and email your entry to "pulse@sna.com" putting "get
down" in the subject header. it is not necessary to re-quote our question=
=2e
please do not send an attachment file to your email, as they will not be
read or considered. and please only one entry per person.
=0d
this week's trivia question:
=0d
    before scoring with his hit "flava in ya ear,"
    craig mack was a roadie for what
    long island-based rap group?
=0d
important: please include your full name, daytime (u.s. time) phone numbe=
r
and email address in the body of the letter or it will not be eligible.
email must be time/date marked before 9 a.m. pdt/noon edt on thursday, ju=
ne
5th, 1997, to be considered for the drawing. good luck (!)
=0d
last week's contest: congratulations to bill o'neill of cape.com and lynn=

hoskins of greenheart.com, who each won a cd prize from the 'poptopia!:
power pop classics,' series courtesy of rhino records, in the contest of
epulse issue 3.20.
=0d
the question was: "long before the rembrandts were recording hit tv theme=

songs, danny wilde and phil solem were members of an l.a. quartet whose
lone album was 1981's 'apart from the crowd.' what was that group?
=0d
the correct answer is: "great buildings" (source: liner notes, p. 3)
^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^
=0d
---  the epulse8
>>>  a peek at the notebooks of your favorite editors
=0d
1. the president of soul returns:
     "discovery process" is a new buzz term coined to describe how we
encounter -- and, if the planets are aligned favorably, achieve a state
known as "cathexis" toward -- art, music, or literature. on the crass end=
,
it's a foist: record label a pays radio-programming conspiracy b to drill=

sub-mediocre album cut from mallterna-rock act c into the consciousness o=
f
the listening public. on the sublime side, the process works a lot more
organically. ergo, last week i was at the association for independent mus=
ic
(formerly naird) convention in new orleans. walking through the confab's
trade show, i stopped at the booth of local label orleans records, where
propietor/record producer carlo ditti stopped me and said, "here, listen =
to
this," pressing a cd titled 'born for you' by rockie charles into my hand=
=2e
i went up to my room, popped the cd into my discman, and proceeded to get=

knocked out. wow! charles, a 54-year-old singer/guitarist from new orlean=
s,
is the real deal -- an unabashed soul vocalist in the tradition of al
green. known locally as "the president of soul" (a sobriquet taken from h=
is
1969 regional hit on the soulgate label), charles backed soul acts like
o.v. wright, percy sledge, little johnny taylor and otis redding on the
road in the '60s; by the late '70s he'd retired from active performing to=

become a tugboat captain on the mississippi river. on his comeback 'born
for you,' released in 1996, charles lays down a compelling big easy analo=
g
to al green's melismatic memphis soul seductions, with bended-knee plaint=
s
like the title cut, "i need your love so bad, i'm about to loose my mind"=

and "oh my darling, look what you're doing to me." throughout the album,
charles wraps his chicken-skin voice around loping muscle shoals-style
guitar lines, hammond b-3 washes and languid horn charts, and the net
effect sounds like a throwback to '60s stax/volt classic sides, albeit wi=
th
a new orleans twist. 'born for you' marks the arrival of a major soul
talent.
=0d
2. jazz disc of the week:
elements of toshiko akiyoshi's big band, alpine folk songs, bop and
world music creep into the gianluigi trovesi octet's 'les hommes armes'
(soul note, out now). the album is largely based around two 16-minute lon=
g
compositions, "ambulat hic armatus homo" and "on va marcher." "ambulat"
concludes with "l'homme arme," a melody line that dates backs to the chan=
ts
from the middle ages, but along the way moves between the lushness of a
didgeridoo and the shrieks of a piccolo. "on va marcher" is less impressi=
ve
(too much electric bass), but just as mixed: trad jazz elements are fused=

to with electronic noise. the real gems are shorter compositions, however=
=2e
"t'ungo," "tengo" and "tingo"--all variations on, you guessed it, the
tango, are short, cartoonish romps filled with upbeat horn interplay.
=0d
3. segue of the week:
cameron ("show me the money") crowe has succumbed to marketing-drive=
n,
plot-by-committee film-making -- 'jerry mcguire' designating the director=
's
transition into exactly the kind of star-powered vehicle his once sweetly=

idiosyncratic movies used to parody. and john hughes has long since
disappeared into the maze of hollywood kiddy porn. so, whom do we have to=

depend upon for a keen blast of intelligent, sympathetic film-music
programming, the sort of thing that has 'fast times at ridgemont high' an=
d
'pretty in pink' still exceeding expectations, repeated viewing after
repeated viewing? how about john cusack, whose recent 'grosse pointe blan=
k'
(which he stars in, cowrote, and coproduced) contains the cleanest, coyes=
t
segue in recent movie memory. cusak's hero, a hit man who returns to his
hometown for a high school reunion, show up at his boyhood residence, onl=
y
to discover that it's been replaced by a franchise mini-market. guns n'
roses' cover of paul mccartney's "live and let die" blares from his
rental's radio as he staggers across the fresh blacktop where he once, no=

doubt, shot water pistols at passing cars. and as he enters the mini
market, visibly shaken by the displacement, the soundtrack melts,
instantly, into a full-on muzak rendition of the same mccartney song. thi=
s
is just one set piece in a film that makes extended use of flashback tune=
s
by the violent femmes, the english beat, and others, courtesy of cusack's=

on-screen ex-girlfriend, who happens to be a dj. (oh, and the score's by
the clash's joe strummer.) a veteran of films by both crowe ('say anythin=
g
=2e..') and hughes ('sixteen candles'), cusak has clearly learned from th=
e
masters. let's hope he knows when to stop following their road map.
=0d
4. don't be drinkin' at this lounge:
mention any musical genre (country, trad jazz, lounge music), and yo=
u
can be sure that the brits will have a different take on it than your
average american will. take "lounge" -- in america we think of
thrift-store-lp-driven "space-age bachelor pad" acts like martin denny,
esquivel and the three suns. but to those wacky brits, that's only part o=
f
the equation: also factored in are mid-'60s a&m records-style soft rock
(herb alpert & the tjb, the carpenters), burt bacharach/hal david pop son=
gs
as interpreted by dionne warwick, glen campbell, isaac hayes, brian wilso=
n,
and some brit post-punk ez listening acts. if 'ultra lounge: the lexicon =
of
easy listening' by dylan jones (universe/rizzoli, $19.95, 144 pages) is a=
ny
indication, ultra-boring '80s/'90s anglopop duo swing out sister is more
important than martin denny and les baxter -- a line of reasoning that
would make your average yank neo-swinger snap his swizzle stick in disgus=
t.
it's kinda like the fabled gallic fascination with jerry lewis and mickey=

rourke -- it just doesn't make sense to the average western-hemisphere
mind. 'ultra lounge' is essentially an encyclopedia of ez, arranged
alphabetically; jones penned most of the entries here, but also included
the works of other writers, including a bacharach interview by bill demai=
n
(reprinted from 'mojo'), an irwin chusid piece on esquivel, and rj smith'=
s
liner notes to capitol records' "ultra-lounge" compilation series. my maj=
or
complaint here -- aside from the overall thrown-together, potato-chippy
quality of this book -- is its neglect of subject matter: it's one thing =
to
dilute the mix with swing out sister, francoise hardy, liam gallagher and=

the high llamas, but to give scant or no coverage to ez euro-weirdos like=

bert kaempfert, horst jankowski and paul mauriat is a maor oversight. dit=
to
on this book's coverage of whiz-bang hi-fi labels like command, london
phase 4, mercury living presence and project 3. rca's living stereo gets
some ink, but that's because jones elected to reprint chusid's liner note=
s
from rca's 'space-age pop' reissues. ergo, this is supposed to be about
easy listening, not lazy writing. something is happening and you don't kn=
ow
what it is, do you mr. jones?
=0d
5. fancy packaging of the week:
joan of arc obviously didn't take record store racks into account wh=
en
it created seven-inch "busy bus, sunny sun"/"stemingway and heinbeck"
(southern, p.o. box 25529, chicago, il 60625). held in a simple oversized=

wooden frame by elastic bands, the single itself is hidden beneath card
stock, a plastic sheet and the cover. how's it sound? well, the lyrics of=

the two atmospheric guitar tunes are a little on the banal side and the
music isn't much better. plenty of eq twiddling and cheesy electronic sou=
nd
effects prove too distracting to be funny. "busy bus, sunny sun" is the
better of the two, sounding more than a little like scenic.
=0d
6. rock record of the week:
miss the grandeur of the heavy-rock epic a la zep's "kashmir" or "no=

quarter"? well, the tea party has returned with the synth-rock record jim=
my
page could never play well enough to make. moody, overdriven eastern
keyboard melodies and pounding bonhamesque drums dominate the group's
'transmission' (atlantic, due 7/8). the group also has a penchant for
guitar texture and layering, and uses touches of '90s lo-fi production to=

ward off any accusations of being non-contemporary. ok, so singer jeff
martin gets pretty melodramatic on "army ants" and "psychopomp," but that=

kind of goes with the territory, doesn't it? this is miles cooler than
anything by that kingdom come band, or coverdale/page for that matter.
=0d
7. weird soundtrack cd of the week:
'passions & achievements: a 20-year retrospective of soundtracks from
films of director ron howard' (milan/bmg, out now) is a peculiar document=
=2e
it celebrates a workmanlike filmmaker who has charted an artistically
cautious path to multiplex-saturation successes like 'apollo 13' and
'ransom.' look at howard's oeuvre: there's comedy ('splash'), drama ('far=

and away'), fantasy ('willow') and action ('backdraft'), but good or bad,=

there's not much of a personality behind these movies -- unlike, say, bil=
ly
wilder, who put his sardonic stamp on every genre exercise he made.
'passions & achievements' has the feel of an authorized bio, complete wit=
h
an elaborate booklet with famous composers -- burt bacharach, randy newma=
n,
john williams, james horner -- saying nice things about the director. the=

disc itself is similarly nice, polite and boring, and says far more about=

the decline of american cinema in the '80s and '90s than what a great
filmmaker ron howard is. all of the undeniable talent of the aforemention=
ed
men has produced rote music of cloying sweetness (particularly the type o=
f
"isn't this wondrous" score that came out of spielberg) and dolby
chest-pounding that accompany these average films. 'passions &
achievements' is without any real moments of beauty or tension or anythin=
g
that makes a memorable score that sticks in the mind after the theater
empties. the only unexpected thing here is peter ivers' humorous theme so=
ng
for 'grand theft auto' -- a roger corman cheapie that is distinctly out o=
f
place on the polished howard resume.
=0d
8. rest in peace, jeff buckley:
the details were sketchy at post time: jeff buckley -- rising young
singer/songwriter, columbia recording artist, son of '60s folk-jazz singe=
r
tim buckley -- apparently drowned late thursday, may 29, in the mississip=
pi
river outside of memphis. what's known is that he disappeared while
standing waist-deep in the water, and that the mississippi there has a
strong undertow, and that authorities are still dragging downriver, hopin=
g
to find his body. death is almost always tragic; to call it so is
oxymoronic. but buckley was an artist of rare promise who was just at the=

beginning of what looked to be a long and fruitful career. his columbia
discography is slim: one ep (1993's 'live at sin-e') and one album (1994'=
s
'grace'); he also appeared on the jazz passengers' 1994 high street/windh=
am
hill album, 'in love,' singing "jolly street." at the time of his death, =
he
was in memphis waiting to begin pre-production on his next album with
producer andy wallace, after an earlier attempt with producer/television
guitarist tom verlaine didn't work out. while buckley's emo-drenched styl=
e
seemed excessive to some, his music rewarded the listener after repeated
playings -- his vocal nuances expressed a broad palette sensitivity, like=
a
more complex robert plant. he will be missed. shame.
=0d
this week's epulse8 contributors: jackson griffith, marc weidenbaum, jaso=
n
verlinde, ned hammad and peter melton. [!]
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--- three's company
>>> jed distler surveys three takes on bach's 'art of fugue'
=0d
bach: art of fugue. vladimir feltsman, piano. musicmasters 67173 2. 2 cds=
=2e
tt:1:35:70)
=0d
bach: art of fugue: nos. 1-9 (organ), nos. 1, 2, 4, 9 , 11, 13, and 14;
prelude and fugue on b-a-c-h, bwv 898 (piano). glenn gould, organ and
piano. sony smk 52595. tt:69:36
=0d
bach: art of fugue (arr. for saxophone quartet by friedemann graef). berl=
in
saxophone quartet. cpo 999 058 2. tt:1:30:51.
=0d
written in open score, with no instruments specified, bach's art of fugue=

has been realized through a variety of chamber and orchestral settings, a=
nd
has proven feasible, if not easy for solo keyboard practitioners.
=0d
compared to his controversial 1991 goldberg variations recording, replete=

with registral displacements and joy riding octave shifts, vladimir
feltsman's art of fugue is the very model of sobriety. there is much to
admire here. the unwieldy, difficult to voice mirror fugues, for instance=
,
have rarely sounded so transparent and crisp. similarly, the pianist
dispatches the brisker paced fugues with remarkable contrapuntal acumen.
the slower movements, on the other hand, crumble under the pianist's
earnest intentions. his agogic fussings pick and jab at the music, rather=

than propel it forward. midway through the extraordinary canon in
augmentation and contrary motion, i was fidgeting as much as the pianist!=

however, the giant final fugue, left unfinished at the composer's death,
quietly unfolds without incident, as if it was playing itself.
=0d
feltsman does not quite match glenn gould, though, for sustaining long
lines at slow tempos, as a comparison between the two in the above
mentioned movement and the opening fugue bear out. in turn, gould the
pianist is more persuasive than gould the organist. in this latter
capacity, gould's characteristically dry articulation turns cut and dried=
=2e
this may be due to the close, breathy recording, which magically transfor=
ms
the pipe organ into a compact, roller rink console. next to this, the
berlin saxophone quartet's sleek, blendid sonority sounds more
authentically organ-like. these highly proficient players glide comfortab=
ly
through the 14 fugues and four canons at comfortable tempos, like a rolls=

royce purring down the proverbial boulevard. bach's intensity of
expression and chromatic daring is minimized in favor of an ultra-refined=

performing style that seems more appropriate for gounod or massenet. if o=
ne
wants a saxophone reed-ing of this score, the earthier, deep in the
key(pad) approach of the los angeles saxophone quartet on protone will mo=
re
than fit the bill. --jed distler [!]
^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^
=0d
---  the emailbag
>>>  we love mail. drop us a line at pulsemag@netcom.com.
=0d
> date: sat, 24 may 1997 23:46:21 -0700
> to: pulsemag@netcom.com
> from: roland morris <rmorris@pipeline.com>
>
> i'd like to voice my support for irwin
> weinberg's position that some representation
> occur for swing music in your magazine.
> swing is an essential part to all good music.
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=0d
---  get in the van
>>>  john lee hooker talks to epulse, part 2 of 2
=0d
epulse: your former producer roy rogers says that you used to hang out in=

detroit on hastings street, which was similar to the famous blues scene i=
n
chicago on maxwell street. what was hastings street like?
=0d
hooker: (laughs) those were the days. anything went. wild wild old street=
=2e
anything you want, they had it there. the club scene was good. every club=

had a band. back then i didn't play on hastings. i was playing at the ape=
x
bar on russell street. but i was on hastings street all the time. whateve=
r
you wanted. i didn't use drugs, but they were there. drink, women. all th=
e
blues bands would come to town and play hastings. yeah, hastings street.
ain't no' mo' hastings street now. a freeway's there now.
=0d
epulse: it's interesting that this house you live in today is on hastings=

avenue.
=0d
hooker: it sure is. i think about that all the time. i'm on hastings agai=
n.
(laughs) but this hastings ain't nothin' like that hastings. this is quie=
t,
real quiet. back then everything was open all night. the clubs never
closed.
=0d
epulse: after you had your jukebox hits like "boogie chillen" and "in the=

mood," you hit the road instead of staying on the detroit club circuit.
=0d
hooker: oh, yeah, that's how i made my money because i wasn't getting any=

from the record company.
=0d
epulse: your daughter zakiya says that when you came home from the road y=
ou
were like santa claus.
=0d
hooker: (laughs) oh, yeah, i was. i'd always bring the kids somethin' to
let 'em know their dad loved 'em. i'd be on the road two-three weeks, but=
i
was always glad to get back home.
=0d
epulse: zakiya also says that you gave her a sewing machine once. the onl=
y
problem was that you gave your son robert an organ at the same time. she
said she was really upset because she had been wanting to learn how to pl=
ay
the piano.
=0d
hooker: (laughs) well, robert was going to music school to learn how to
play the piano and organ. he was taking lessons in downtown detroit. he g=
ot
real good. they taught him all the scales and theory, but they didn't tea=
ch
him the feelings. you can't learn that in school. he went with his feelin=
gs
on his own. boy, he could smoke on those keyboards. he's in the church ba=
ck
in detroit now. but when i used to take him on the road with me, he'd hav=
e
people on their feet every night. he's fantastic.
=0d
epulse: what do you think about zakiya's career and her new album 'flavor=
s
of the blues' [on pointblank]?
=0d
hooker: oh, it's good. ooooh, she's good. my main favorite on her new
record is that song "stones in my pathway." they're all good, but that on=
e
is...ooooh, mmmm.
=0d
epulse: zakiya says that when you came to her home studio to record the
song "hard times" for the new cd you steered the session into a different=

direction than she and ollan [christopher, her husband and producer] had
planned. you ended up playing the song "bit by love" that you had just
written.
=0d
hooker: well, i always change things. (laughs) it wouldn't be me if i
didn't. i love making u-turns and doing things my own way.
=0d
epulse: roy rogers says the same thing. he learned how to get ready for
your twists and turns, to expect unpredictable things to happen in the
studio.
=0d
hooker: oh, yeah. i don't mess around in the studio. i do what i do. and =
i
hardly ever make two takes. it's like 'the healer' and all the rest. carl=
os
santana and i work a lot together. he says (emulating the slight accent a=
nd
hushed sweetness of santana's voice), "i don't know how you do it, but yo=
u
do it. and it always comes out on the first take. you got it."
=0d
epulse: how do you get it?
=0d
hooker: it's the feeling. it just comes to me. it feeds something into me=
=2e
it just comes to me like that (snaps his fingers) and i just do it like
that (snaps again). comes out perfect. if you do a song over and over and=

over and over again, you wear yourself down. the first or second takes
always sound better because your voice is fresh and the song is real fres=
h
in your heart. the more takes, the weaker you get. you wind up using the
first take anyway.
=0d
epulse: you're well-known for being challenging to play behind either on
stage or in the studio because you take a song into unpredictable
territory.
=0d
hooker: right, but the guys in my band know where to go because they work=

with me all the time. they've got me down like a book.
=0d
epulse: what do you expect from your band?
=0d
hooker: they do what they do. i can't answer that any other way.
=0d
epulse: what was it like working with van morrison on the new album?
=0d
hooker: i've known van for years. we respect each other's feelings. we go=
t
love for each other. i love ol' van. a lot of people can't get along with=

him because they don't know him. but me and him get together and we lock
in.
=0d
epulse: how did you approach recording the album together?
=0d
hooker: we got together and talked about songs. he played his song "heali=
ng
game" and i wanted to do it. we discussed what to do, and then i said jus=
t
follow me. van knows how i play and so do the other guys. we'd go over a
song a few times, break through it and then i'd say, "let's go, let's tak=
e
it, let's get it, let's not mess around, i've got other things to do."
=0d
epulse: how much time did you spend on the recording? some musicians spen=
d
months in a studio recording an album.
=0d
hooker: not me. spent a week. ummm hmmm. then van went back to ireland. h=
e
called me up and said, "i'm very happy. i heard the sessions. i got the
tape. we did it." you meet van and he's a character. he's a nice guy, but=

he's shy. he don't like to be around too many other people. he'll say
(giving his best irish brogue imitation), "gonna get the hell outta here.=
i
want to be alone. i don't want to talk." (laughs) he don't like to do
interviews, but he sure can sing.
=0d
epulse: why did you record the jimi hendrix tune "red house" on this cd?
=0d
hooker: his dad asked me to do it for jimi. he called me and asked. and i=

did it. oh, yeah, red house o' yonder.
=0d
epulse: did you know jimi?
=0d
hooker: i didn't, but i wanted to. he was a young guy when he died. 26? 2=
7?
=0d
epulse: you also revisit one of your old boogie tunes, "dimples," with lo=
s
lobos.
=0d
hooker: it's a hot thing. it kicks, it kicks. those guys know how to play=

it, too. they kick it.
=0d
epulse: in a way, you're like a jazz musician who's always returning to o=
ld
material such as "dimples" and "boom boom" with fresh insights.
=0d
hooker: i like doin' 'em because some generations have never heard 'em. t=
he
young kids haven't heard 'em. "dimples" came out, what, in the '60s? a lo=
t
of kids wasn't even born then. now that's a tune they can relate to today=
=2e
=0d
epulse: then there's "in the mood." you recorded it first in the late '40=
s
and it won a grammy for you a few years ago when you sang it again on 'th=
e
healer.'
=0d
hooker: yeah, me and bonnie [raitt] did it. she loves that song. she want=
ed
to record it and i wanted her to. i love that gal. she's got a nice
husband, too. she always calls to see about me, to talk with me.
=0d
epulse: she's been very supportive of all the blues elders.
=0d
hooker: very supportive. a lot of artists been big, then go down. she's
good to them. she loves charles brown. she's a good person, period.
=0d
epulse: speaking of charles, what was it like working with him again on
your new cd?
=0d
hooker: like a piece of gold. great, great. he's so good, so mellow the w=
ay
he touches that piano. yeah, he can play the blues, that man.
=0d
epulse: what advice would you give young players?
=0d
hooker: (long pause) i hear you. i'm thinking. (another long pause) well,=

to hang in there. if you're not serious, don't even try. if you're seriou=
s,
you can make mistakes, but keep going. it's not easy, but if love it, you=

will hang in there. don't let no one talk you down. don't let no one
dis-encourage you. some people may just be jealous. just keep doing it.
=0d
epulse: what about going to school to learn to play the blues?
=0d
hooker: after you learn what you learn, throw the book away. you put your=

heart and soul into it. i don't even look at no book twice. the book is
here in me (tapping his chest and then his head), here and here. i can
write a song in 10 minutes (snaps his fingers), just like that. you can s=
ay
a word and it can mean a song to me.
=0d
epulse: once you get a word and then a phrase in mind, what do you do nex=
t?
do you pull out your guitar?
=0d
hooker: what i do you'll never know and no one else will ever know. i get=

my guitar and i just get it together. it's hard to explain. but the bigge=
st
thing is to just hang in there if you want to play the blues. you can't g=
et
dis-encouraged. if you're a singer, hang in there. piano player, hang in
there. guitar player, hang in there. you may start out rough, but keep on=

plucking. when i started i didn't have no guitar. just a piece of rubber =
on
a wall. (he strokes an imaginary string.) i just plucked it and sang alon=
g
with it.
=0d
epulse: you've come a long way.
=0d
hooker: (laughs) oh, yeah, a long long way. --dan ouellette [!]
^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^ ^ ^^^
=0d
--- horse sense
>>> neil young and crazy horse at the catalyst in santa cruz, calif.,
>>>monday, may 19
=0d
neil young and crazy horse have garnered a reputation around these here
parts for their impromptu performances at downtown surf city's main
nightspot, the catalyst. last year young and co. also made may their mont=
h
in santa cruz. that time they performed under the traveling echoes monike=
r.
this time the nom de plume of choice was hippie dream, a song from 1986's=

'landing on water.'
=0d
the first time i experienced young live at the cat was when i was 18.
somehow, savvy enough to be on the receiving end of the rumor mill, a gal=

pal and i rushed down to buy our tix early in the day, only to be turned
away at the door later that evening due to our under-21 status. feeling
like the outcasts we were, we relegated ourselves to the club's back
parking lot where legions of other exiled neil young fans pacified
themselves with the muffled strains of "hey hey, my my (into the black)."=

=0d
compared to last year's gathering of the neilophiles, this spring's show
was less intimate, more filling. in '96, the club was sold out at only
about 70 percent capacity -- concert-goers felt like members of a secret=

society. while last year's neil appearance was very civilized and
high-toned (almost like a counterculture cocktail party), this year's sho=
w
was rowdier and the club was more fleshed out. in '96, young and crazy
horse generously allotted themselves numerous set breaks. this year young=

took only one break, and it clocked in at about 60 minutes. during last
year's show, young dug into classics like "homegrown" and "country home.=
"
this year, young served up a platter of untried, unfamiliar material. in
essence, it felt as though we had walked into a dress rehearsal and in a
way it was -- in preparation for both his imminent european tour and this=

summer's h.o.r.d.e festival, which young will headline.
=0d
the lowdown: local yokel bluegrass band the harmony grits jump-started th=
e
evening around 8 p.m. then, amidst burning candles and skull-and-crossbon=
es
stage decor, neil materialized. looking like the original grunge rocker i=
n
his baggy shorts, harley davidson t-shirt and backwards baseball cap, he
steamrolled into "big time" from 1996's 'broken arrow.' from that point,
young and crazy horse delivered a sonic boom of mostly obscure material.
the crowd graciously lapped it up, but when young finally crunched into
"cinnamon girl," they pounced into a voracious frenzy of dancing -- sucke=
rs
for a hit, every last one of them.
=0d
for memory mongers the evening's peak of poignancy was when young dug out=

and dug into the autobiographical "don't be denied." it all ended with
young and crazy horse thrashing the cataclysmic chords of 'rust never
sleep's signature song "hey hey, my my (out of the blue, into the black).=
"
no encore, but the murmur of a second night's performance wafted through
the air, intermingled with the candle smoke. to the woe of young devotees=

throughout the monterey bay region, the second concert never crystallized=

--  the story on the neil young psychic friends network was that  winnipe=
g,
manitoba's homeboy cut his finger and couldn't perform. --yvette cadeaux
[!]
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=0d
---  fine print
>>>  who, what, where, when, how and more boring, legal stuff
=0d
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re
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=2e
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families, agencies or affiliates are ineligible. if an outside source
supplies the winning question, they will not be eligible for the second
drawing, nor will any of his/her relatives. in the case of multiple entri=
es
of what is essentially the same question, a winner will be decided from
among them by a drawing.
=0d
check out tower's website at http://www.towerrecords.com. and visit tower=
's
aol site: "keyword: tower." pulse! is published 11 times annually,
classical pulse! bimonthly, epulse weekly.
=0d
for subscription information to either magazine, please write to: snail
circulation/pulse!, 2500 del monte st., west sacramento, ca 95691. both
magazines are available free at u.s. tower records/video retail stores.
epulse is published weekly by mts, inc.
=0d
all correspondence addressed to epulse or its contributors will be assume=
d
intended for publication as will email addresses, unless privacy is
requested. the contents of this mailing are copyright (c) 1997 mts, inc.
all material is verified factual at press time but some information, such=

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--part.boundary.0.10453.emout03.mail.aol.com.865121709--

i live in fremont and got the june tci cable pay per view guide and notice
there is no listing for the indigo girls special next friday. anyone got any
ideas why not?

a very upset macuzr

forgive me if this is common knowledge, i haven't been paying very close
attention to the list as of late.  but could someone please tell me what
the deal is with madison square garden?  the epic site has shows listed
on both 6/3 and 6/4.  am i wrong or did tickets for the second show never
go on sale?  ticketmaster told me they didn't know anything about ajune
4th show.  what gives?

-colleen

in a message dated 5/31/97 1:01:20 pm, you wrote:

<<ap, this is the best section in the place.  unfortunately, she couldn't
give me the seat numbers.  so i guess there is still a chance to get
screwed.  :)  but this was the only positive experience i've had with tm at
all in the past couple of years.  so i won't complain for once.  :)
>>

unbelievable, i went to ticketmaster and stood in line, was only number 2 and
at 12:01pm i bought 4 tickets and ended up in section 203 row vv !!!!!
aaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! maybe next time i should just
try calling :( this is the second time i literally went and bought ticket a
minute after 12 and got horrible tickets....hmmmm!

sad in chicago

hi everybody!
now, i have always been more of an emily person, even though i really like
amy to and hate to compare.... but, about that review, i must admit that when
i first heard gotm it did remind me of an oj commercial, but in a very good
kind of way--sort of like be carefree, relax, blah, blah, blah.
i also noticed that emily's lyrics on sots were not quite as poetic, as say,
the lyrics to ghost, but i still thought musically her songs were really
good. as for amy's songs, i liked them a lot, but that doesn't mean that
emily is any worse. and just because they have really diverse styles, doesn't
mean that they still can't work together or anything, they've always been
really different.
just my 2 cents, no flaming please,
anna

     on friday, my teacher got an invitation to a 'sign assembly' where the
advanced sign language students pick songs and sign the lyrics.  when the end
of the show rolled around and they were about to dismiss us, one of the girls
who had previously performed got up on stage and said something like..."i'm
going to do just one more for someone in the audience, kind of a request."
     i heard the first couple of chords of romeo & juliet and i immediately
looked and my friend sitting on the side of the stage...she had the biggest
smile on her face!  she had asked her to perform it for me!!!! :)  it was
soooo beautiful!  she had the most incredible facial expressions and really
got into it.
     i, of course, broke into song walking back to class (no shame) and at
least four people came up to me and said something like, "that was the best
song, who sings that?" i was happy to tell them! ;)  i thought it was cute
when someone asked me if it was from the soundtrack.
     i wish everyone could have seen it...300 high students swooning over
this girl's incredible performance to my fav amy cover tune, and then hearing
4 or 5 people continuously singing "julieeeeet" afterwards because that's all
they remember.  gotta love amy! ;)

just thought i'd share my indigo moment :)
nicole

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hey there--

...a couple of things that i thought y'all might be interested in...

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the indigo girls are among the artists who contributed songs to the new thrive compilation cd benefitingyouthpride, a nonprofit organization created in 1995 to assist gay, lesbian and bisexual young people who are experiencing isolation or hostility from their peers. the indigos' song is a live version of "center stage." other tracks include kelly hogan's "lucky nights," viva la diva's "(running into) history," belloluna's "doctor's orders," big fish ensemble's "normal town," anne richmond boston's "carry me," doria roberts' "a different kind of self love" and the fountains' "j. edgar hoover," as well as tunes by 3 pound thrill, shawn mullins, the tender idols, allen broyles, gerard mchugh, the josh joplin band and shock lobo. 3 lb. thrill headlines a thrive release party/benefit concert at the cotton club -- during which many of these artists will perform -- on saturday may 31. admission is $7 and the doors open at 9 p.m.
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fwd:
summer travel and education seminar in the maya heartland
chiapas, mexico to learn more about free trade�s southern frontier &
mid-term national elections from june 29 to july 8, 1997

join us for a ten day educational travel experience to get a better  understanding of contemporary latin america.  the seminar is designed to explore contemporary issues facing mexico in the context of midterm elections in the  state of chiapas.  chiapas has been the site of intense conflicts over
indigenous rights, free trade, and political and economic reform.  based in the
city of san cristobal de las casas, the seminar will meet with various individuals and organizations based in the city as well as the surrounding area
to develop a better understanding of the current situation.  participants will
also have the opportunity to act as observers in the elections (contingent on
receiving training and credentialing from alianza c'vica, a non-governmental
election monitoring organization).  group participants will be accompanied at
all times by experienced people who live and work in chiapas.  all parts of this
program will be interpreted into english.

tentative program and meetings include:
*representatives of the three major political parties
*church workers
*environmental organizations
*human rights organizations
*community visits to zapatista/mayan communities
*business leaders
*women�s groups
*artisans
*city officials
*activists in the peace process &
*participation as observers in the july 6 elections

the cost of this seminar is: $720 ($620 students/low income) which includes all meals, ground transportation, lodging, and translation of all meetings.
airfare is not included, but we can help you arrange it. (a $100.00 deposit is required by june 21)

this seminar is being organized by va-mayap, a non-governmental development and educational organization based in san cristobal de las casas. va-mayap is run by tomas and teresa ortiz johnson, who have lived and worked in chiapas for the past two years, after having spent the previous six years living and working in guatemala. they have considerable experience organizing educational travel seminars in the region focusing on issues of grassroots activism. they work closely with local non-governmental organizations, cofadi, s.c. (the center for integral development advising) and ciam, a.c. (the center for women�s research and action), in arranging their programs.

for more information please contact john at (612) 724-4650 or
mcal0025@tc.umn.edu
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later y'all.

-greta

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hi y'all,
i just sent out the 97-05-31 blossom update to everyone on my list. if
you didn't get it (or you weren't on my list but you're coming to
blossom on june 12th) e-mail me privately.
--
dr

-- who is grooving on sots and counting the days to indigohio :)

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forwarded message:
subj:    ig article in "my" home newspaper
date:    97-05-31 23:47:21 edt
from:    ndygoopg
to:      lizard328

reprinted without permission (as per usual) from the pensacola news journal:

color us shocked

well the indigos have done it again. following the release of their newest
album "shaming of the sun" (epic), amy ray and emily saliers have yet again
followed through with their threat to sabotage any clues of success which the
album might generate.

as the first single, "shame on you" starts into the top 40, the music world
was set on its ear by today's announcement of amy ray's engagement to rapper
coolio, whose tune "gangsta's paradise" was perhaps the most well-known song
on the soundtrack "dangerous minds."

"i'm very happy for amy," said her co-indigo girl emily saliers, who has been
involved in a lesbian relationship for the last 2 1/2 years. "i hope she and
coolio will be very happy. he's a really nice guy."

ray herself was adamantly lesbian for at least two decades before the
announcement of her engagement, and only recently ended a 7-year relationship
with guitarist cooper seay, formerly of the atlanta underground group ellen
james society.

no information has been released on how ray and coolio met, or how long they
have been dating.

in other news on this newest sabotage maneuver,  saliers, who only recently
finally got a flattering hairdo, has cut her hair completely off in the
"fade" style popular with middle-school boys, dyeing the left side green and
the right side purple. "it's a statement," says saliers of the new and
frightening look.  of what, she refuses to comment.  she has also ended the
previously-mentioned relationship with sue owens, owner of the atlanta shop
the common pond.  unconfirmed sources state that saliers has relocated to
atlanta's inner city and has taken up residence with a fourteen-year-old
prostitute.
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not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry guys, i had to.....wish i'd thought of this for april fools day!!!!!

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygoopg@aol.com)

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