lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-07a


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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 00:24:44 -0400
reply-to:     debster21@aol.com
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from:         debra penfiels <debster21@aol.com>
subject:      christmas wish list...

ok, here's my list if i had a private concert. this actually took awhile for
me to make up my mind!!  }i{

1. watershed
2. thin line
3. reunion
4. love will come to you
5. burn all the letters (w/ ulali)
6. fugitive
7. the wood song
8. prince of darkness
9. it's alright (fun song)
10. love's recovery

*encore*-  love of the common people
             -  back together again

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date:         mon, 30 jun 1997 15:16:56 -0500
reply-to:     kellie key <keyk@texoma.net>
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from:         kellie key <keyk@texoma.net>
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i am looking for a bootleg copy of blue food. however, i don't have
anything of value to trade really, but will try to fill any request. thanks!

kellie key

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date:         mon, 30 jun 1997 23:47:57 -0600
reply-to:     jennifer parker <jennifer_parker@mail.casciahall.tulsa.ok.us>
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ok..it is late and i am still at work... it is almost midnight...and the
thing i want to do before i leave for the day is share with my fellow
listees an indigo moment i had a couple of hours ago.

i have noticed a few people mention that one of their "goals" in life was
to convert otherwise ignorant people into ig fans...i thought i was the
only one who did that!  obvoiusly not, how cool!  anyway...i am currently
working on my 16 year old cousin.  her tastes include smashing pumpkins,
phish, and squirrel nut zippers, but every time she rides in my car i make
her listen to the girls.

while she hasn;t fallen in love like the rest of us, occasionally she sings
along and will admit that they have "really pretty voices" and that she
likes to hear them because they remind her of me.:-)  she even has a couple
of favorites...joking, chicken man and shed your skin.  so, the point of
this is...

we were talking on the phone earlier and i asked what she had for dinner
and she said chicken...then she went on to describe the type of
chicken--which quite honestly was more information than i ever needed to
know--and she ended the sentence by saying, "normally i'm not that big of a
chicken fan".

well, you guessed it...we both started singing chicken man chicken man
chicken man hold my hand at the top of our lungs.  it was a totally bonding
moment between cousins.

ok, it was stupid, yet way cool at the same time.  hopefully, you will
understand--and not be too pissed at the wasted bw!

thanks for listening!

jennifer--who now realizes she really needs to get home--its been a long day!!

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hate me 'cos i'm different--hate me 'cos i'm gay.
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and it's alright.

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date:         mon, 30 jun 1997 21:39:08 -0700
reply-to:     rcoletto@ecst.csuchico.edu
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from:         regina coletto <rcoletto@ecst.csuchico.edu>
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        hey is anyone going to the ig concert in berkeley in july?  i
cannot wait.  i'm a long time fan and have never seen them live.  the
concert should be great and three days later i'm going to the lillith
festival at shoreline - i've heard rumors madonna is supossed to show,
anyone else heard this?

reg

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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 01:21:25 -0600
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i ask this question not only for myself but for friends on the list who
are too shy to post--how do boots that aren't from specific shows get
their names?  blue food is the biggest question it seems---would one of
you lovely knowledgeable people share to the list?  thanks so much,
tricia

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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 02:28:07 -0500
reply-to:     angela sasser <drsasser@london2.skn.net>
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from:         angela sasser <drsasser@london2.skn.net>
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i think all religions have a common thread.  that's why i can't stand it
when christians go around putting down religions like buddism and things
like reincarnation.  some religions go back way before christianity and
older religions can sometimes make more sense.  well anyway that common
thread is god.  if you look closely, god is in all religion in some form.

and if you ask me, god is music.  it's like the chronicles of narnia in the
magician's nephew i think, aslan (which represents jesus) sings narnia into
exsistance.  he sings the sun, he sings the rain and trees and flowers, and
everything.  everything is his song.  these books (all of the chronicles)
have moved me more than anything i have ever read.  in case any of you don't
know, they are by c.s. lewis and the first book is the lion, the witch, and
the wardrobe.  if you are looking for some really good adventure and some
insight on how one man (c.s. lewis) believed in god, you should read the
series.  oh yeah, and they are children's books by the way.  which makes
them even better.
tigger know's what i'm saying ;).

me angie(always trying to convert everyone into lewisinians....)

p.s. this whole post kinda sounded like a cross between the 700 club and
reading rainbow...

at 05:07 pm 6/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>ballhoop@aol.com wrote:
>>
>>  > from: brian hirschfield <golgi@castle.net>
>>  > to: moe-l@netspace.org
>>  > subject: music and religion
>>  > date: thursday, june 26, 1997 6:20 pm
>>  >
>>  > while most of the world says they believe in some sort of "god", you have
>>  > to raise your eyebrow the same way you did when other people claimed
>>  > there to be aliens hanging behind hale-bopp.  however, since so many
>>  > people insist on this god thing, i'd say it relays some sort of human
>>  need
>>  > to know that we arent the most powerful things roaming around.  if you
>
>the common held feeling on the need for god, is a need to have an answer
>to the question why.  when the idea of god first appeared man new next
>to nothing about his surroundings.  why does the sun shine?  because,
>god willed it.  why don't the plants grow?  because, god is mad.  and
>so on.  now a days it is because that is how it's always been.  and the
>fact that it is comforting to most people to beleave that something is
>in control.  i personally beleave in a god because it helps me make
>sense of what's going on around me, and allows me to have somewhere to
>turn when things aren't going right.  and, in some part it is because
>i was raised roman catholic and have been going to church my whole life.
>though i wouldn't call myself a serious catholic (i've problems with
>certain stands of the church and have found a lot of truth in writings
>on toaism and zen buddism) i still go to church at times, because it
>is comforting for me to do so.
>
>>  > go.  with this in mind, and a real reluctance to buy into the "invisible
>>  > man" theory, i still have to wonder what it is that all of these people
>>  > think is this superhuman thing, and why they are so sure of it, when none
>>  > of them have ever substantially witnessed anything that would give them
>>  > reason to believe such a thing.
>>  >
>
>this is the deffinition of the word faith.  if, you are truely interested
>in this, take a class on religion, if at all possible.  not a certain
>religion, but, religion in general, a world religions class if at all
>possible.
>
>>  > this leads me to a specific example.  music.  all of us here know what it
>>  > feels like to blissfuly carried through the climax of mexico, or to be
>>  > riding the adrenaline wave of meat, and various other instances where we
>>  > have great feelings watching moe., and many other bands play.  the
>>  > feelings are so strong, and unique to the particular situation, that we
>>  > make it a priority to try and recreate these feelings as often as
>>  > possible, by seeing the band play as often as we can, or by collecting
>>  > tapes of their shows.  this becomes a culture for us.  you could call it
>>  a
>>  > religion.  a completely disorganized religion, where the belief is real,
>>  > the feelings are real, and where everybodys experiences are completely
>>  > personal.  its not the sole thing that guides us through life, like you
>
>if you do a little research into taoism, zen, and other eastern religions
>and philosophies, and then talk to the people who are moved by music,
>you'll find that a 19 year old kid at a phish show can have a understanding
>of the fundamentals of taoism with even knowing what it is.  why?  because
>the beliefs are very basic.  at the core, there are no differences between
>religions.  at the core of it, the catholic is the same as the buddist and
>the jew the same as the musslim.  it is all about becoming in perfect sinc
>with the controlling force.  the differences arise in how to obtain this
>being in sinc.  and, even in the differences there are simularities.  the
>big simularity being meditation.  every religion i've come across promtes
>meditation.  western religions call it prayer though.  most people think
>of meditation as sitting very still and saying things like "ohm," but in
>fact meditation is simply setting your mind adrift and letting it empty
>of thoughts.  i personally, have tried the sitting still method, but have
>trouble empting my thoughts, on the other hand i find it very easy to
>empty my head while doing mundane choirs.  a friend of mine meditates while
>she runs.  the one time in my life, when i fell completly in sinc with
>everything was dancing at a show.
>so, why do we give ourselves over to the music, mind, body, and soul?
>because we have done so in the past and have found peace and comfort.
>somewhere inbetween the notes we got a hint of the other side.  weather
>you call it heaven, enlightenment, zen, or whatever.  we give ourselves
>over so we can try and find it.  so we can bask in it.  at least that
>is my take on the matter.  that one time, at that one show, i was filled
>with so much joy and elation that i fought back tears of joy, for the
>first and only time and my life.  i hit the shows, to lose myself
>"inbetween the notes" as i like to put it.  may be that is why you
>so it as well.
>
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>> forwarded message:
>> from:   edan@openix.com (sir edan)
>> to:     moe-l@netspace.org
>> date: 97-06-27 20:26:51 edt
>>
>> and the tapers are the scribes and apostles writing down the ideas and
>> beliefs of the musical prophets....
>>
>
>that suggests that you think the musicians are the worker's of god.
>i personally see them as a tool to make meditation easier.  much
>like, many people who meditate use a gong or chime or bell, that
>they sound when they first start and then let their thoughts follow
>the sound as it rings out, so that when it falls silent, your thoughts
>are empty.
>
>matt
>
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> love the one you're with"
>                        stephen stills
>
>"we are the people our parents warned us about" -jimmy buffet
>
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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 02:28:33 -0500
reply-to:     angela sasser <drsasser@london2.skn.net>
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from:         angela sasser <drsasser@london2.skn.net>
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no no no, ig's favorite beer has to be "pirate's keg gourmet rootbeer",
(i know this through a telepathic thing...)
if any of you have had pirate's keg you know what i'm saying.
it has a light mix of summer and sunshine with a pinch of spring....
(i'm only seventeen, so i don't know about any other kind of beer.)

at 12:56 pm 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>rolling rock ???
>
>hopefully this is not a&e's favorite beer, or favorite lager for that
>matter... maybe it was a gift for that small event or just conveniently
>there???
>
>it could be though, and if it is, i might have to buy myself a case... but i
>like that anchor steam idea a little better.... maybe something like a pete's
>wicked summer brew or something, or maybe the red micro-ale from the
>atlanta beer garten.... i'm sure they've been there......
>
>if i were a&e (oh god help us), i would have guinness all the time
>(straight from ireland of course!*#!).....
>
>..............................
>besides this mumbo jumbo babbling.......
>when the ig have this "private" party, let's define "private" as
>list-members???
>bad idea????? - i hope not, besides the fact that it will no longer be in
>someone's living room (next to the tv) and it might ruin the whole point of
>the thread.......
>
>but hey, these words i'm spewin' are only opinions?   right???
>
>btw, imho regardin' "mon private sortie" :::::::::o)
>
>1. world falls
>2. hey jesus (it's me)
>3. romeo & juliet (they would re-learn the words for me)
>4. airplane
>5. pushing the needle too far
>6. hey kind friend
>7. fugitive
>8. prince of darkness
>9. uncle john's band
>10. joking
>
>e:
>wild horses (w/ mm)
>get out the map
>midnight train to georgia
>closer to fine (i just had to!)
>
>thanks for listening !!!!!!
>
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>hey jesus, it's me, i'm sorry
>.......to get a chance to talk to you,
>face to face..............
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>mkc
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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 02:30:11 -0500
reply-to:     angela sasser <drsasser@london2.skn.net>
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from:         angela sasser <drsasser@london2.skn.net>
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date: tue, 01 jul 1997 02:08:09
to: daisy5879@aol.com
from: angela sasser <drsasser@london2.skn.net>
subject: re: yougfemme

wow, is she ever gonna stop?
she keeps going and going and going and going....

at 07:57 pm 6/30/97 -0400, you wrote:
>"who cares.there are dying people out there and all you can talk about is
>this.get a life!"
>
>this girl is obsessed with telling people to get lives. she needs to get one
>herself and stop sending emails to harmless listees.
>
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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 09:31:01 +0200
reply-to:     "monica a. soutto" <ironfl@lettera.skios.es>
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from:         "monica a. soutto" <ironfl@lettera.skios.es>
subject:      ig videoclip in onyx tv.

hey y'all,

yesterday they went by the onyx tv (german), the videoclip of ig "land of cannan";) yes yes yes, the ig in the tv!!! for my it's the first time that i see a clip of the ig in the tv. so, suppose that i'm not the only of between the european fans.

well, the videoclip of "land of canaan" it is of the recording in the direct 'the uptown lounge', but i have the impression that is not exactly equal.

now i am happy, i have the sensation that they exist the ig in europe. i already began to doubt that they are real. here, in spain,  epic didn't make neither makes publicity of the ig, "not promotion" :(i in april talk on the phone with the epic in madrid and they confirmed me this), unworthy but real.

but, the ig fans of this side don't lose the enthusiasm, we have the better music and the better mail list. :)

thanks y'all!!

mónica
msoutto@geocities.com
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"beat me up                    |ferran nogueroles
and smash my brand new tv     |<maror@teleco.upv.es>
to help me look for           | & monica a. soutto
a little piece of paradise    |<msoutto@geocities.com>
  in me"                       |universitat politecnica
k's choice-'paradise in me'    |de valencia
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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 09:37:56 +0200
reply-to:     "monica a. soutto" <ironfl@lettera.skios.es>
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from:         "monica a. soutto" <ironfl@lettera.skios.es>
subject:      ig loc videoclip in onyx tv

hey y'all,

yesterday they went by the onyx tv (german), the videoclip of ig "land of cannan";) yes yes yes, the ig in the tv!!! for my it's the first time that i see a clip of the ig in the tv. so, suppose that i'm not the only of between the european fans.

well, the videoclip of "land of canaan" it is of the recording in the direct 'the uptown lounge', but i have the impression that is not exactly equal.

now i am happy, i have the sensation that they exist the ig in europe. i already began to doubt that they are real. here, in spain,  epic didn't make neither makes publicity of the ig, "not promotion" :(i in april talk on the phone with the epic in madrid and they confirmed me this), unworthy but real.

but, the ig fans of this side don't lose the enthusiasm, we have the better music and the better mail list. :)

thanks y'all!!

mónica
msoutto@geocities.com
ironfl@lettera.skios.es (alternative e-mail)
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and smash my brand new tv     |<maror@teleco.upv.es>
to help me look for           | & monica a. soutto
a little piece of paradise    |<msoutto@geocities.com>
  in me"                       |universitat politecnica
k's choice-'paradise in me'    |de valencia
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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 00:58:03 -0700
reply-to:     seona <sb2@axe.humboldt.edu>
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from:         seona <sb2@axe.humboldt.edu>
subject:      re: what's that song?? help me!
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hey, alexandra and everyone...
yes, they played the gipsy kings at the end of great woods, and during
their pre-release tour, at least in eugene.  everyone, go out and listen
to the gipsy kings awesom, awesome, awesome music!  they're hand clapping
and musical talent is so wonderful!  ahh, i think i'll bring them to work
tomorrow, but can't let my bosses know, otherwise, they'll close up shop
and have a salsa/dance workshop!
=)
buenos noches, y'all!
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu


on mon, 30 jun 1997 aaogilvie@aol.com wrote:

> hey everybody,
> i have had a tiny snippet of this song zipping elusively around my head for a
> month now: help!! what is the song that was played as the lights came up at
> the wolftrap shows in may?? i think it also played after great woods. i heard
> something like it the other night & someone said that what i heard was the
> gipsy kings. the song in question was infectiously danceable & made it almost
> ok that the concert was over...
> help
> help, help
> -alexandra
>
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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 01:16:13 -0700
reply-to:     seona <sb2@axe.humboldt.edu>
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subject:      re: what's that song?? help me!
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oops, typo...so sorry

on tue, 1 jul 1997, seona wrote:

> hey, alexandra and everyone...
> yes, they played the gipsy kings at the end of great woods, and during
> their pre-release tour, at least in eugene.  everyone, go out and listen
> to the gipsy kings awesom, awesome, awesome music!  they're hand clapping

it should have been their...i do know better than that...and i'm sure that
ya'll don't care =) right?
bad, bad!
seona


> and musical talent is so wonderful!  ahh, i think i'll bring them to work
> tomorrow, but can't let my bosses know, otherwise, they'll close up shop
> and have a salsa/dance workshop!
> =)
> buenos noches, y'all!
> seona
> sb2@axe.humboldt.edu
>
>
> on mon, 30 jun 1997 aaogilvie@aol.com wrote:
>
> > hey everybody,
> > i have had a tiny snippet of this song zipping elusively around my head for a
> > month now: help!! what is the song that was played as the lights came up at
> > the wolftrap shows in may?? i think it also played after great woods. i heard
> > something like it the other night & someone said that what i heard was the
> > gipsy kings. the song in question was infectiously danceable & made it almost
> > ok that the concert was over...
> > help
> > help, help
> > -alexandra
> >
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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 03:35:52 -0500
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wow am i cranky.  it's 3:15, i just got up after two hours of sleep and
here i am, checking me email before i work on my thesis.  i imagine that
there are lots of really interessting posts because the digest is so long.
but lo and behold, there are a ton of quoted emails.

please, i'm begging everyone, don't quote someone's entire email...and
the response they got...and the response that got...etc. when you post to
the list.  please.

ig content?  i've been listening to them pretty devotedly throughout the
horrid thesis weekend i've had.  i know sots way better than i did before
due to the repeat button on the women's center cd player.  and if i could
program it to skip "batl" and "caramia" every time, i'd do it.  then
again, it would have to repeat "dgtgag" and "sb" and especially "sys"...
oh well, it's too much for me either way, so i'm off to listen to it
again.

winkywinks to susieb...heh heh heh...
love to the list,
and hope this wasn't too cranky,
suzi

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reply-to:     drew vogel <vogelap@ucunix.san.uc.edu>
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on mon, 30 jun 1997, karen johanns wrote:

> in a message dated 97-06-30 10:50:15 edt, thesfc@aol.com (the sfc) writes:
>
> << hey, wait, are all you vocalists trying to tell me that when you say the
> word
>  "later" it's
>  not pronounced "lader"???  i guess "what are you doing" is supposed to be
>  pronounced in seperate words to.  or my personal favorite, which now occurs
>  to me to actually be incorrect, is "did you eat", which is pronounced, of
>  course, "d'jeat".  i'm from kentucky, and we just don't have time to sound
>  everything out.   not that we're busy doing anything else.
>
>  thesfc
>   >>
>
> and if you're from noo yawk like me, everything is so esspensive it cawsts a
> nominal egg.
>
> of course this means that eveything is so expensive it costs an arm and a
> leg.
>
> karen
>
d'jeat yet?

no.

s'queet.

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ok, this makes no sense to me......

someone posted that sots is in the spice girls rs, and it has 4 stars in
the short reviews.  a few weeks ago, when the regular review came out (i
believe it was the jakob dylan issue, but it could be the one before
it....i don't know...all my rs's go to my mom's house) they only got like
2 and half stars, and someone even posted the nasty review to the
list.....can rs make up their minds???  because i am on the verge of
cancelling my 14 year subscription due to giving the ig a crappy review
and handling hanson 4 stars......

any thoughts on this???

peace-
karrie

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subject:      changes

hey,  i kinda' like lookin' at the history of music.  and something i've
noticed is that usually when a band doesn't change their style they fall
apart within a few albums.  i'm a big cure fan, and i don't know of any other
band that goes through such insane genre switches (usually ruffling the
feathers of lots of fans, hehe).  anyway, i guess some people have disliked
the /slight/ changes in style made by ig in their last album.  i dunno'.
seems like a good idea to me.  not that i think that they should go off'n do
a goth album, but change is good :-)  hey, maybe they should do an album with
lots of orchestrations or whatever.  ya...

the sfc

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but i'm signing off the list
have a good one all
pooh

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------forward--------

>date: mon, 30 jun 1997 20:03:14 -0400 (edt)
>from: yougfemme@aol.com
>to: bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com
>subject: re: hey me too - brilliant flame! (sigc)
>status:
>
>
>hey at least i have 2 ph.d's 1 md and one masters degree.what do you have?

-----end of forward-----

i have a headache thankyouverymuch!  please stop bothering me! (oh, where
have i heard that?)  you win, ok?....whatever little game you were playing.
any further posts will go unanswered since you seem to want the last word,
and i am only too happy to oblige.  i'm sure the others have found this
tiresome as well.  seek help from a qualified professional.


******************** now for some igc **********************

heard gotm this morning on my way to work (6:15am) on kmtt...followed by
get out of this house (shawn colvin;).  i think they may play it again on
their mountain fresh focus today at 3:15pm, in case you can tune in.

toodle-loo,
betsy

...........................................
i want to be the girl with the most cake.
                    -courtney love
...........................................

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for everyone who has been flamed by femme write me also i thought a md was
a masters degree<g>


on tue, 1 jul 1997, mediancat wrote:

> ------forward--------
>
> >date: mon, 30 jun 1997 20:03:14 -0400 (edt)
> >from: yougfemme@aol.com
> >to: bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com
> >subject: re: hey me too - brilliant flame! (sigc)
> >status:
> >
> >
> >hey at least i have 2 ph.d's 1 md and one masters degree.what do you have?
>
> -----end of forward-----
>
> i have a headache thankyouverymuch!  please stop bothering me! (oh, where
> have i heard that?)  you win, ok?....whatever little game you were playing.
> any further posts will go unanswered since you seem to want the last word,
> and i am only too happy to oblige.  i'm sure the others have found this
> tiresome as well.  seek help from a qualified professional.
>
>
> ******************** now for some igc **********************
>
> heard gotm this morning on my way to work (6:15am) on kmtt...followed by
> get out of this house (shawn colvin;).  i think they may play it again on
> their mountain fresh focus today at 3:15pm, in case you can tune in.
>
> toodle-loo,
> betsy
>
>
>
> ...........................................
> i want to be the girl with the most cake.
>                     -courtney love
> ...........................................
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jess schraub wrote:

>hmmm...i'm
>gonna have to go with the camp thing once again. i'm not sure what year,
>maybe '91 or '92, i heard hammer and a nail for the first time at my
>sleepaway camp (any fellow ramahnicks out there?).

yes!  c'mon folks, out from your corners...we can't be the only two :)

>not until after i started college this past year,
>under the guiding influence of my best friend andi lipman. can't thank
>her enough for her answers to any possible question i had about ig. i
>wonder if i'll ever be as knowledgable. hee hee :)

as knowledgable as *andi*???   but *i've* taught her everything she
knows!!!  harumph.  you won't even be getting past newbie initiation
with comments like that.


juuuust kiddin' with ya, jess.  andi's the goddess, and i for one am glad
you've de-lurked.  :)


....audrey, camp ramah--palmer '87-'93 and very unsure why it took until
'93 for ctf to hit the palmer scene

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ruh ro, rorge...i think the author allusion has gone to his head. ;)
(i'm just mad i didn't rate a flame for the same round.  i'm feeling left out)
lisa


>mon, 30 jun 1997 15:56:44 -0400
>mark anthony donajkowski said:

>and lo there came the day when anthony open the great book of flames and
>to those who flamed he read chapter one get a life and many fell by the
>wayside though a few of the flamers were die hard and had not heard the
>whole thing for they were listening to the indigo girls and to their own
>self rightous whinning and so anthony after hearing from the few remaining
>flamers turned the page in the great book of flames to chapter and and
>promptly read who cares and even those who had on the great tanks of wind
>baggious and were of the self rightous handyness were laid low with things
>quiet anthony closed the great book of flames and proceeded to have a
>indigo day safe in the knowledge that those of idiot intent were soundly
>silenced...
>
>the end<g>
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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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hi friends,

it is *possible* that i have another reserved seat  for this saturday at
the greek that i'm not using, so if someone wants it, mail me.

it's only a maybe.


but, whoever mails me first can have it if it' up, for what i paid,
which is $40.

okay?

mail me....

-larissa

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subject:      re: rolling stone

rolling stone the magazine did give sots a bad review, but if you got to
rolling stone online, you will see it was an editor's pick of the week.
everyone at rolling stone seems to have different opinions about the album.
too bad the person who wrote the 'official' review did not like it.

erica

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subject:      re: what's that song?? help me!

the song by the gipsy kings is "bamboleo."  both times i saw the girls, this
song was played at the end of the show.  gipsy kings are an amazing band and
i highly recommend them.  look for their best of cd in the world music
section of any music store.

erica

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for all you closet u2 fans -
msn is broadcasting the last show of the tour tomorrow night -- this should
be a direct from soundboard recording. i will be at the show - probably
taping as they have stated the entire show will not be b'cast. i think this
means no encore.
the url for this is :
http://u2popmart.msn.com/tunein/

or ...

the same as above with tunein.htm at the end with no frames
this site is almost unreadable without internet explorer (which sucks
but...) i figure someone would like the info...

mike r.

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in a message dated 7/1/97 2:53:04 am, madonajk@alpha.delta.edu (mark anthony
donajkowski) wrote:

<<and lo there came the day ...(snip)... anthony closed the great book of
flames and proceeded to have a indigo day safe in the knowledge that those of
idiot intent were soundly silenced...>>

and now we have truly come full circle, for it was i who commented on joni
understanding something mark (or anthony... which one are you?) wrote.
saying that i feared this phenomenon.... yet, here i sit, perplexed with
myself, for i understood the entire paragraph (before my snip) above.  i have
seen the light.

and it's a flame thrower.

dee

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hi everyone
i'm signing off from the list because of the wedding and moving and all that
stuff, but i hope to be back in late august. this email address will still
be active if anyone needs me.  thanks for a great year!
lori


"this could be the saddest dusk i've ever seen turn to a miracle"
                                            rem

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there have been a couple of posts about ig on world cafe in the last few
days...i'm guessing it's a repeat of the one broadcast in may, which i
treed as part of a boot called "indigo philadelphia"  this here's a
repeat of that tree, since as far as i've heard none o' the branches have
gotten overloaded yet.  april people, hold your wild horses, it's my
first tree, i ain't perfect yet.

(gwen, your copy is in the mail...rob, do you want to take over the april
branch?)


>
>here it is...the indigo philadelphia tree....the 90-minute tape includes
>the following performances and a couple of other surprises:
>
>side one:  indigo girls on world cafe
>recorded at tongue and groove  philadelphia and broadcast 5/15/97 on
>wxpn
>it's alright  %  hey kind friend  %   get out the map %
>scooter boys %  shame on you  % galileo %   closer to fine
>
>side two:   indigo girls at  y100 sonic session
>recorded 4/15/97 at sonic recording studios  philadelphia and broadcast
>5/4/97 on y100
>get out the map %  don't give that girl a gun %  caramia %  shame on you
>%  hey kind friend %  galileo
>
>
>branches are as follows:
>
>january --  bbertiaux@spectrumctls.com  (betsy)
>february -- indigo@mindspring.com  (deb)
>march --  d6309@prodigy.net  (donna)
>may -- aaogilvie@aol.com  (alexandra)
>june -- ebgore@hubcap.clemson.edu (emily)
>july -- nix64@aol.com (nicole)
>august -- gkeyt@paul.spu.edu (gwen)
>september -- mandi96@airmail.net (mandi)
>october -- kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu (kirsten)
>november --  pjhoopie@aol.com (pj)
>december -- lhannan@plix.com (lori)
>

later,
audrey

http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein/colormeindigo

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hey everyone,

seems we have all sorts of ideas about doing this project! :-) i have
been in contact with celeste (botany07@aol.com) and agreed to help out
there.

so, we actually have 2 distinct projects going on:

1. celeste's post to coordinate a compilation (indicated iv) where
people send in their recordings, they are assembled into one tape, and
copied for those who want them. i have offered to use my studio to edit
and compile all the tapes into a custom cd, so the sound quality would
be higher on the copies. then maybe celeste or a tree could get them
out.

2. my offer to actually bring listee musicians into the studio (we run a
pro 24 track studio). this would be free to the listees who could get
here (somewhere between a $200-$500 value, approximately.) that would
all be recorded, mixed down, and mastered.......quality of any regular
cd. it is a good deal for the musicians. and hey, we could do seperate
sessions to accomodate people's schedule, take our time. i would do all
this for free. (cause i think it's cool.) then, if we wanted, we could
actually put together a cd of it.....fully packaged and all. (we have to
pay royalties to ig to sell these). anyways, we could have 1000 fully
packaged cd's for about $2000. if enough listees were interested, we
would break even on the cost. that's only 200 cd's at $10 a disc! i
mean, wouldn't that be cool to have......"people you know do ig".

i wanted to clarify things, cause there was a little confusion. if any
of you musicians are interested, please e-mail me. i know it sounds
tough to get to indiana, but it would be a very cool experience, a free
recording, and a lot of fun. only take a day or two plus travel time.
think about it and let me know. we can work on this over a period of
time, too. it isn't neccessary for everyone to get together at once.
(though that would be fun!!)

take care all!

suzanne (who thinks this list is full of kind friends!)
http://www.suzanneglass.com

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sorry about the empty one....

> so, we actually have 2 distinct projects going on:
>
> 1. celeste's post to coordinate a compilation (indicated iv) where
> people send in their recordings, they are assembled into one tape, and
> copied for those who want them. i have offered to use my studio to edit
> and compile all the tapes into a custom cd, so the sound quality would
> be higher on the copies. then maybe celeste or a tree could get them
> out.

you might want to check out with rob sticka on this one.  he was the
mastermind behind indicated ii and iii (and maybe i).  its been his
project for at least 3 years now.  he hasn't done another tape in 18
months so he may well welcome the help.

> 2. my offer to actually bring listee musicians into the studio (we run a
>
>  <<the rest of a really cool sounding recording project deleted>>

just so you know, deb reiser got a slap on the wrist for putting
lyrics on a t-shirt. she was also asked not to do it again without an
ok so you'll probably need ig mamagement permission to do this.
especially for cd's which can be easily re-sold....

the devil is in the details *sigh*

                                -- chris

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subject:      my ig lucky find
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hi all..

i just wanted to share with you guys my great day today..i was roaming
around this cd store in town...and i came across this extremely rare find
(well, in singapore anyway)...i got hold of 2 demo cds from so.... the
single for tmf and least complicated....and it was selling for dirt
cheap...well, actually considering that it was a demo cd and it was not
supposed to be on sale...still, i was very surprised to find it cos like i
said, this is singapore..the land where ig doesn't exist...though that's
slowly starting to change with soy's increased airplay...

i've been walking around with a perpetual grin on my face the whole day and
looking extremely pleased with myself...

well..that's all...i was gushing all this out to my best friend...but since
she's a non-ig fan..she couldn't really understand what i was trying to
say...but i know u guys will...take care

siti
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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 12:51:40 -0500
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unfortunately, everyone who works for rolling stone doesn't like the
girls.  this was clear to me when they gave nomads indians saints, a not
so favorable review---something about it sounded like something he would
hear on seasame st.  i think the critic that time was chuck dean.  okay,
i know for sure that was his name.  i've had no desire to read rolling
stone since, but i never really cared for the magazine before that.  i
may pick up a copy if i see amy and emily on the cover.  until then, i'll
just stick to my good housekeeping.

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hey kind friends,

i'm sure this ? was probably asked and answered when sots 1st came out,
but what does the guy talking say?  i can make out "it's so hard when..."
but then i'm at a loss.

i also saw the movie scream last night and was pleasantly surprised to
see the girls on a poster in sydney's room-it looked like swamp ophelia
era.  besides the 1st 15 minutes of the movie, it was the only good thing
about it.

so if anyone can answer my ?, i'd much obliged.

thanks,
lanie  ;)
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i think anyone who can play should go to indiana.  suzanne is offering
the chance of the lifetime for some of you.  now, there must be some
travel agents and people who work for airlines on this list who can help
these people get out there.  i will patiently be waiting for this cd.

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subject:      texas shows

     i think i've finally had a little time to come down from the concert
high.  what a great weekend!  i went to austin on friday and had front row
seats for this amazing show.  they never fail to amaze me with the intensity
of their performances.  they both seemed to be having a great time and the
crowd was definitely into it.  amy seemed to be smiling much more than
normal.  being front row, i even had the privilege of one of these smiles
being directed toward me.  eye contact is a very exciting thing!  the set
list is kind of a blur for me.  i know that they played all of sots except
for burn all the letters and cut it out.  old tunes included virginia woolfe,
ghost, power of two, least complicated, galileo, thin line, pushing the
needle too far, chickenman, closer to fine, tried to be true, redemption song
and bury my heart at wounded knee.  i think that covers it.  i also caught a
guitar pick which was extremely exciting for me.  if anyone has a boot of
this show, i would love it.  i would definitely put it as one of the best
ones i've attended.
     saturday night i had fifth row in dallas.  this also was an awesome
concert, however it's hard to compare the large feel of starplex with the
intimacy of the backyard.  this concert seemed to be a combination of sots
and lot of songs off of their early cds.  this concert they played all of
sots except for hey kind friend and burn all the letters.  it was a big
surprise for them to start with strange fire.  it sounded awesome!  they also
did three hits, galileo, prince of darkness, tried to be true, crazy game,
redemption song, power of two,  least complicated, bury my heart at wounded
knee and closer to fine.  i'm probably leaving something out.  i was also
really surprised by the concert at starplex.  there was a large energetic
crowd, which i felt was unusual for dallas.  great show.  now i'm going
through withdrawl.
dena

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hey all you pnw'rs anyone going to be at the pier on sunday night ( july 13th )?
my gf and i have tickets ( thank you thank you trace + jen!!! ) + will be
there along with other very good friends ( if we can get our acts all in
sinc ) lol... and it'd sure be great to meet some of y'all <-- ( y'all
spoken in a truely fetching canadian accent, of course )...
peace, kim ( the goddess of lurkdom, these days )
oh... and kimberly hobbes??? am writing you now!!!
ummm... amyp from irc... ( cool... a poem ) write me? i wasn't snubbing
ya... honest... just looking at a web page:-)

"that weak feeling you're experiencing is the blood flow
being cut off to your brain. you'll be dead in less than a minute...
or we could talk..."
- xena, warrior princess.

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hi y'all,
just something that really moves me and i need to share...:)
there is this really cool woman in a couple of my classes at the
university. we had classes together last semester already, but somehow
never had anything to do with each other. at the beginning of this
semester we somehow connected, and now she is one of the most important
people in my life. her and i have so many similarities that it sometimes
scares me, when she knows exactly what i am thinking and how i am
feeling. she just understands. it seems as if there is some connection
between us ..... i don't know...
well, and now she is going to ireland for one or two semesters. now
guess, how i am feeling right now... anyway, i played a couple of ig
songs for her, and borrowed her all my cds ( am i crazy??). i always
liked power of 2 the most and it is my favorite car song. i told her
about that and she agreed and said she really likes it too. so yesterday
we were going someplace in my car, and of course, the song came on. i
didn't dare looking at her and today she told me, she didn't either. but
when the song was over, she told me that she had shivers going down her
spine. i felt the same and i felt so much love for her. even though i am
scared that i might lose her when she goes to ireland, i know that we
will always be connected, because po2 tells our story.
the music makes it so much easier for me to let her know that i love her.
and i know that she feels the same.
po2 will always have a special meaning for me, now that she told me that
it gives her the shivers. it just says it.
just wanted to share this with y'all...   :)

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at 11:45 am -0400 7/1/97, dschulman@aol.com wrote:
>and now we have truly come full circle, for it was i who commented on joni
>understanding something mark (or anthony... which one are you?) wrote.
> saying that i feared this phenomenon.... yet, here i sit, perplexed with
>myself, for i understood the entire paragraph (before my snip) above.  i have
>seen the light.
>
>and it's a flame thrower.

huh? ?????  that soundeth liketh shakespeareth, and i never understood him.
(sorry amy!) {great stories tho, once i goteth the cliff noteseth.....}

;o)


joni  :o)

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i was gone to tha big city fer five days an' like a doofis i fergot to "set
digest" on all o' my mail lists... so i hadda sit through the downloading of
369 posts... woe!!! now some were just plain wunnerful ( love the warm fuzzy
"when i first heard ig" ones [course... none have topped claire's version,
you jest gotta admit] <---laughed myself silly over *that* one... ) but
*some* were really fer real fulla...um... well...flames... so i figure,
hey... i'm sitting here with at least fifty extra pairs of those nifty
indigo blue colored, flame retardant, asbestos over-alls that i had whipped
up last year ( *and* the especially fetching + complimentary pink tou-tous +
work boots that are a *must* as accessories ) and i figure... i'll just
offer em to the folks who need em... kay???:-)
there is, of course a math question which y'all must answer if'n you want
the thangs...
the question is: if two indigo-girls get on the bus in new orleans and
travel north towards canada at exactly 45 miles per hour, stopping
regularily in ever major city along the way to sing they lil' hearts out to
all their adoring fans *and* to make neccisary pit stops... what will the
cost of grape nuts cereal be on july 25th at seven pm in monkton new
brunswick??????
rush rush rush... the over alls is goin' fast....
peace all... kim ( goddess fer a day )
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nah i thought id make light<g> of a bad situation<g>


on tue, 1 jul 1997, lisa tatonetti wrote:

> ruh ro, rorge...i think the author allusion has gone to his head. ;)
> (i'm just mad i didn't rate a flame for the same round.  i'm feeling left out)
> lisa
>
>
> >mon, 30 jun 1997 15:56:44 -0400
> >mark anthony donajkowski said:
>
> >and lo there came the day when anthony open the great book of flames and
> >to those who flamed he read chapter one get a life and many fell by the
> >wayside though a few of the flamers were die hard and had not heard the
> >whole thing for they were listening to the indigo girls and to their own
> >self rightous whinning and so anthony after hearing from the few remaining
> >flamers turned the page in the great book of flames to chapter and and
> >promptly read who cares and even those who had on the great tanks of wind
> >baggious and were of the self rightous handyness were laid low with things
> >quiet anthony closed the great book of flames and proceeded to have a
> >indigo day safe in the knowledge that those of idiot intent were soundly
> >silenced...
> >
> >the end<g>
> >
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>there is, of course a math question which y'all must answer if'n you want
>the thangs...
>the question is: if two indigo-girls get on the bus in new orleans and
>travel north towards canada at exactly 45 miles per hour, stopping
>regularily in ever major city along the way to sing they lil' hearts out to
>all their adoring fans *and* to make neccisary pit stops... what will the
>cost of grape nuts cereal be on july 25th at seven pm in monkton new
>brunswick??????
>rush rush rush... the over alls is goin' fast....


ohhh, that's easy....

the cost is variable, depends on how cute and polite you are when you
ask.  (andi, you can back me up on this one, right???)

thanks for the free grape nuts, i'm sending 'em on to joni with a bowlful
o custard, and the next person to make me laugh can have my overalls, i
ain't been flamed in awhile

on a tangential note, if the obsessed fan is the one who swipes emily's
napkin (a la mamakins) the psychofan is the one who follows the tour bus,
marks the aforementioned pit stops as historical landmarks, and and
swipes emily's-------oops, i better stop there or i'll be needing
those overalls afterall!

all in fun, folks :)

kim, you rock.

later,
abs

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not a flame thrower just some candle light to read by<g>


on tue, 1 jul 1997 dschulman@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 7/1/97 2:53:04 am, madonajk@alpha.delta.edu (mark anthony
> donajkowski) wrote:
>
> <<and lo there came the day ...(snip)... anthony closed the great book of
> flames and proceeded to have a indigo day safe in the knowledge that those of
> idiot intent were soundly silenced...>>
>
> and now we have truly come full circle, for it was i who commented on joni
> understanding something mark (or anthony... which one are you?) wrote.
>  saying that i feared this phenomenon.... yet, here i sit, perplexed with
> myself, for i understood the entire paragraph (before my snip) above.  i have
> seen the light.
>
>
>
> and it's a flame thrower.
>
> dee
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after careful examination and tons of research i have come to the
conclusion that....  (drum roll, please)....

rolling stone is stupid.  end of story.  it's just one big, expensive
advertisement.  this mag has never given the ig their due.
amy

on tue, 1 jul 1997, karrie a. bowen wrote:

> ok, this makes no sense to me......
>
> someone posted that sots is in the spice girls rs, and it has 4 stars in
> the short reviews.  a few weeks ago, when the regular review came out (i
> believe it was the jakob dylan issue, but it could be the one before
> it....i don't know...all my rs's go to my mom's house) they only got like
> 2 and half stars, and someone even posted the nasty review to the
> list.....can rs make up their minds???  because i am on the verge of
> cancelling my 14 year subscription due to giving the ig a crappy review
> and handling hanson 4 stars......
>
> any thoughts on this???
>
> peace-
> karrie
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subject:      july 17th red rocks

hi everyone.  this is my first post on the list so if i make any major
mistakes please forgive me.
anyway i'm going to the july 17th show at red rocks and was wondering if
anyone else from the list was attending this show and if maybe we could
arrange to meet and hangout for awhile before the show.
please e-mail me asap if you are interested.

thanks and peace

ilana

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subject:      texas boots

does anyone have a bootleg of any of the texas shows?  i would especially
love to hear the girls doing redemption song.  the setlists of all of the sw
shows seemed amazing.

erica

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hey, at least we all know that "pulse" kicks ass....

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"flames.....
on the side of my face....
breathing...     breathles....
heaving breaths..."

'nough said.  :)

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this was in today's issue of the daily texan, the student newspaper at the
univ. of texas.   the thing about the "unidentified small children" makes
us think that the guy is refering to aliens or something.  reprinted
without permission, sorry about any typos.


"not too blue:  the indigo girls rock the backyard"

by carlo longino

        the indigo girls played a stunning set before a sellout crowd
friday night at the backyard.
        treated to such favorites as "galileo" and "closer to fine" in an
almost two hour set, the audience was clearly moved by the band's emotion
and energy.
        closing with "closer to fine" the indigo girls were joined onstage
by the opening act lift and some unidentified small children for a stirring
rendition of the song.
        the band played several songs from its latest album, _shaming of
the sun_, and amy ray, half of the duo, talked after the show about what
the indigo girls had been up to.
        during the year prior to recording _shaming_, ray traveled to
chiapas, mexico, to help a women's art cooperative whose members risked
their safety for new supplies.
        "that's one of our several pet projects," she said.  "these women
would get raped by soldiers when they traveled from village to village to
get supplies, so we built a little shelter for them to store all their
things so they could go on one big trip and get everything."
        ray also discussed the band's popularity in the gay community.
        "we never aimed for that," she said.  "maybe it's because we're
gay, but i also think that many of our songs aren't gender-specific, and
that appeals to them.  but at the same time, they're still very honest, and
they appriciate that honesty,"
        "there's nothing we like to see more than when we're playing at a
college, and there's five frat brothers down in the front with their arms
around each other, driking beer and singing love songs."

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angie wrote:
=)i think all religions have a common thread.  that's why i can't stand it
=)when christians go around putting down religions like buddism and things
=)like reincarnation.  some religions go back way before christianity and
=)older religions can sometimes make more sense.  well anyway that common
=)thread is god.  if you look closely, god is in all religion in some form.

        weeeeeeeeeeell, speaking from the point of view of a former
christian (now non-religous), i can tell you that christians tend to
be verrrrry bible-oriented, and strictly so.  if it's not in obvious
black and white there on the pages, then they don't generally believe
in it.  to elaborate, in the church i used to attend, they don't
believe in using musical instruments in the worship service, so they
sing a cappella.  the reasoning for this is because nowhere in the new
testament did anyone ever say it was okay to use instruments.  of
course, the new testament never ever said that you *couldn't* use
instruments either.  they just want to be on the safe side.  anyway,
that is my personal explanation as to why they would put down the
other religions -- because they practice beliefs that the christians
just *know* are wrong.  =)
        oh, and in case you were wondering why christians like to try
and convert everyone they see over to christianity, it's because the
bible tells them to.  "go preach into all the world..." or something
like that.
        i'm certainly no expert on the matter, but i just thought i'd
try to shed a little light on the sujbect.

=)and if you ask me, god is music.

        sounds good to me.  =)

        ttyl,
        mike feeney             "...tangled up in blue..."

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if any one out there has seen te gutar tab or chords to the song loves
recovery e-mail me at tharper@hom.net
     thanks

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hello all

de-cloaked just long enoug to ask whether anybody'll be taping any of
the lilith fair? i know that there'll be a tape of the girls sets
flaoting around the list, but there are so many other good artists in
the line up, that i hope someone will get some of the other stuff too,
eg. shawn colvin, mary chapin carpenter, sheryl crow, fiona apple, beth
orton, jewel (the list goes on and on!)


to those who are lucky enough to be actually going, i'm not jealous
(much!)

andrew

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> > so, we actually have 2 distinct projects going on:
> >
> > 1. celeste's post to coordinate a compilation.
>
> you might want to check out with rob sticka on this one.  he was the
> mastermind behind indicated ii and iii (and maybe i).  its been his
> project for at least 3 years now.  he hasn't done another tape in 18
> months so he may well welcome the help.

i have been in contact with rob, and he has offered some help :-)

>
> > 2. my offer to actually bring listee musicians into the studio (we run a
> >
> >  <<the rest of a really cool sounding recording project deleted>>
>
> just so you know, deb reiser got a slap on the wrist for putting
> lyrics on a t-shirt. she was also asked not to do it again without an
> ok so you'll probably need ig mamagement permission to do this.
> especially for cd's which can be easily re-sold....

what has to be done to be legal is that you have to obtain a mechanical
license, which is a recording industry legal-ese thing. you pay a
certain royalty and are granted the right to record a song. that way, ig
get royalties for their songs, which is as it should be. by the way,
they can't deny you a license, as long as you pay the royalties. i've
done a few of these before.

thanks for the input!
suzanne
http"//www.suzanneglass.com

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hey everyone,

my friend from minnesota isn't able to make it out here, so i know have one
ticket available for champeog on july 10 and one for the pier on july 11th.

i'll sell them for whatever it was i paid for them (i'll go home at lunch today
and look).  anyone interested?

email me privately,

sarah scilley

sarah_scilley@ccmail.uoregon.edu

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hi ya'll!
        whew! i finally was able to get my e-mail after moving over the weekend and have
to take a second to share my experience at the starplex show.
        first of all, we moved into our first house on saturday, and if it hadn't been
the girls we were going to see, we wouldn't have gone...we were exhausted!  but, 4th row
doesn't happen everyday, so we went... i was psyched!!!  our movers screwed us, so we
were late...we missed lift.  as we got to our seats a&e came to the stage and opened
with our wedding song- strange fire!  i was weeping so much i could barely see! (it
seems  amy and emily are a part of every major event in our adult lives somehow..and it
was very emotional)  i just couldn't believe we were sooo close.  i mean, em really
looked at me!  when i was crying during strange fire she gave me a look like..."awwww,
how sweet".  i was blown away!!!  it is truly indescribable, so all i will say is that
it was an experience i will never forget. emily was so cool... she made me feel so
good!!it was incredible to be eye to eye with someone i hold in such high esteem and
feel so connected to (whether i am or not) that it is a feeling i will hold in my memory
forever!  it will be one of "those" moments.   amy reminds me of jim morrison... i think
she likes to ease into a crowd. she really began to interact with the audience when she
realized she was among "friends".    the biggest downer was the people a few rows behind
me were throwing things at me when i would stand up,  like you aren't supposed to stand
at a concert??? the girl behind me would only stand if i would and the guy 2 rows in
front of me stood for most of the show, so i had to stand to see at times.      i just
don't get it.  why get angry when someone wants to stand??  like i told them, they could
stand up as easily as i could sit down.  what do you guys think?  i started to feel bad
after a while so, i sat for mellower songs, but was pissed to have to sit through a song
like cut it out, because others don't want to stand...i don't know...if i was in thier
shoes i would have stood up.  it's the girls for cryin' out loud....  get on your
feet!!!!!    peace!
virginia

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hey indicated ones and kind friends!

i think the indicated project is a great idea and since i haven't been
around here, when the first ones were being put together, i'd love to be a
part of iv. unfortunately, i can't take suzanne up on her offer to record
in her studio (i live in europe) and i'm still in the process of deciding
what kind of equipment to buy for my own little low profile home recording
purposes.
could some kind soul here give me some input as to what kind of stuff to
buy? it would just be me and my guitar, no band or anything. i would also
need the option of recording two guitar tracks separately (lead and rhythm,
obviously). thanks in advance for helping me out!

oh, and what do y'all think about this:
wouldn't it be neat to have some info about the people who contribute to
indie iv? like, why and when they started to play the guitar, whether they
have any gigs going on and in which area and what other artists they listen
to, maybe also such normal things as how old they are;-). maybe this has
already been done with the other three indicated projects, i don't know, i
don't have them (btw, does somebody have all three and would be so kind as
to copy them for me??). we could put that info either in the booklet for
the cd or tape or if that will be too expensive, we could just compile all
the artist info and make an html page or a file (like the faq) out of it
(i'd be glad to do that...).

another thing i was thinking about is, whether some of the guitar playing
and singing folks around here, have some original stuff also (i'm pretty
sure they have). why not make a compilation of *original ig listee's
songs*? we could call the thing "inspired" or something... okay, that's
probably not the best title we could come up with, let's say it's a working
title;-)). am i alone here, or is anybody else interested
in this?

just some suggestions, sorry for babbling and potential waste of
bandwidth:-).

peace and
take care,
kathrin

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if you want my advice, don't say it's wrong, if it feels right."

*************amy's "no way to treat a friend"*************

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subject:      subject: what's that song?? help me!

in a message dated 97-07-01 09:00:04 edt, you write:

<< subject: what's that song?? help me! >>

it is by the gypsy kings - i think you're thinking of bambolero - my spanish
is terrible!!!! that's what they played at the end of the msg show and the
pnc show.i was out to dinner the other night with my girlfriend and the song
came on. i told her we definately have to get that album. it helps that she's
latin, so she translates all these great songs for me. hope this helps.

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do you have any tour dates in colorado this year?

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subject:      (nigc) waiting for tapes from kirsten?

if you're waiting for me to send you tapes (there are far too many of you to
email individually), please have patience; my tape recorder broke, and i'm
getting a new stereo in a week or so. if you're really in a hurry, let me
know and i'll get your tapes out now, but i don't recommend doing that since
i'll have to use a crappy tape recorder and your tapes will sound like crap.[*]

i'll start on everyone's tapes as soon as i get my stereo. thanks for your
patience.
kirsten

[*] i'd say "shit" instead of "crap", but i wouldn't want to offend anyone.

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>
> do you have any tour dates in colorado this year?
>
well, *i* don't. the high altitude does positively awful things to my hair,
and besides, my new-fangled eastern musical style seems to offend you western
folks, so you probably wouldn't want me to tour in colorado anyway.

if you're referring to the indigo girls, however, do a search at
<http://concerts.calendar.com> or <http://www.pollstar.com>.
kirsten

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fyi....sorry if this has been posted before.  this came from the ig profile
that is linked to the summer nights at the pier schedule at the one reel
website (http://www.onereel.org/)

eleven days and counting.......

--------------------
indigo girls

           we have got to respect the way things are moving, even if we don't
           understand sometimes. maybe there's something bigger in the works
           that we'll understand later. a song is more about wrestling with
           yourself than it is about being famous.
           amy ray

           for nearly ten years indigo girls have crafted engaging, musical and
           lyrically ambitious albums. emily saliers and amy ray have
           mastered the folk sound -- equally comfortable with raging electric
           guitar or nothing more than a voice and acoustic guitar. songs
           familiar to the fans who have followed their career include "closer
           to fine," "blood and fire," "strange fire" and "secure yourself."

           since the summer of 1985, when the indigos made their recording
           debut with the single "crazy game," they have addressed subjects of
           conflict such as love and growing up. recently they took the power
           of their music one step further to address many political issues in
           today's society. on their latest lp shaming of the sun, the song
           "burn all the letters" refers to the public's insatiable desire for
           consumption of things intended to be private.

           in 1989, indigo girls was released and the single "closer to fine"
           entered the billboard hot 100, peaked at number 22 and remained on
           the chart for 35 weeks. at the grammy awards that year they
           received their first nomination for "best new artist" and indigo
           girls was voted "best contemporary folk album." from 1989 on,
           the indigo girls have really taken off; they have worked with artists
           as diverse as michael stipe, jane siberry, jackson browne, the
           roches and mary chapin carpenter.

           they also have an ongoing commitment to social as well as musical
           changes. this was exemplified in 1995 by the "honor the earth"
           tour, a month-long, 21-stop benefit concert trek which raised more
           than $300,000 for native american environmental groups; and by
           the release of an accompanying cd, honor, featuring bonnie raitt,
           soul asylum and victoria williams among others; and the there
           three-day run of jesus christ superstar at at&t summer nights at
           the pier in august. amy ray played jesus and emily saliers played
           mary magdalene to quite favorable reviews. proceeds benefitted
           mavia seattle (mothers against violence in america.)

           throughout their career, indigo girls have been recognized by their
           peers and fans as a collective voice expressing the trials of
life. both
           acoustically and lyrically their songs are filled with emotions that
           moves the body, mind and soul.

           indigo girls will perform at pier 62/63 on friday, july 11th and
           saturday, july 12th at 8pm and sunday, july 13th at 7pm. seating is
           general admission, rain or shine. for more information, call terri
           hiroshima at one reel, (206) 281-7788.

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...........................................
i want to be the girl with the most cake.
                    -courtney love
...........................................

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hey all,

i was thinking of calling my subject line ...for four nights straight
now i dreampt... but opted not because i can't spell the past tense of
dream and don't have the liner notes handy, anyway, here's why...

about 2 weeks ago...
i had a dream w/ig in it, but i recall no details except that...

then the next night...
i had a dream that i was watching an indigo girls concert.  they were
playing on the edge of a cliff or bank.  i was in a river or lake below,
large mass of water.  there were only a few people in the water.  this was
the audience.  amy said something which i remember vaguely, but i remember
the sentiment clearly.  her statement was basically that some type of
people, or people who do something, can never, or are never able to do
something.  (that's the vague part)  but, instantly realized she was
wrong, misled.  i was that type of person, and i could do that thing!  i
wanted to let her know.  i shouted at her something to the effect of "no!
i do!"  or "i can!"  that was all.  weird...

the night after that...
i had a dream that my partner and my friend eric (both who i went with to
the last ig show i have seen) were sitting down at our seats... at an
indigo girls concert. :)  we sat down at table, sort of, amy side about
1st through third row, the table was like that.  we expected to wait for
the opening act, and then their set.  instead, immediately after we sat
down, emily and amy walk over to our table and sit down like they were
with old friends.  i imagine this is their normal pre-concert ritual, but
i am shocked that they're *not* doing it (that is hanging out) backstage.
amy has a jar of peanut butter and offers it to my friends and i.  my
friend, eric, says something like, oh sure, i'd love some.  eric takes the
open jar of peanut butter from amy's hand (in a nice way).  he
attempts to dig his finger into the jar to scoop some pb out for
himself.  amy immediately offers eric a pretzel (although i didn't see her
with any) and she said something like, don't you want a pretzel to dip out
the peanut butter with?  eric said oh, no, no.  i'm fine.  i guess amy was
a little disconcerted about "germs" or something...

then the *next* night...
i had a dream that i was watching the penn state concert.  at first i
thought i was there again.  it very much seemed like i was.  then there
was a part of the concert which i wanted to point out to my partner.  so,
i rewound it.  ha!  a video tape.  (wish i had one in rl :) )  i was
intrigued by the fact that they played two "big," involved amy songs in a
row. something like cut it out and scooter boys.  i also commented to my
partner something to the effect that there was virtually no break between
the two songs.  so little that at the point of the changing of the songs,
they could barely be deciphered as two separate songs. very cool
footage...

the night after that...
i did *not* have an ig dream...

the night after that...
i had another ig dream, but i don't remember the details...

the night after that...
no ig dream

the night after that...
i had my last ig dream to date, but alas, the morning erased all my memory
of its details.

to those of you who read this far, congratulations.  whaddya think?  just
thought i'd share.  also, writing down my dreams helps me to remember
them.  have a nice day ya'll!  peace, melissa

-find myself becoming more immobile, when i think a little girl in the
world can't do anything -e.s.

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -a.r.

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wow !

        i'm sorry this is a bit late but i had to come down from the high and then
hit the bed and lapse into a coma.  anyway, i'm still punchy so forgive me
for any typos or wrong spelling and or course "diction".  i'll start with
the set list (note: the cover song titles i had to get from one of the many
new cool friends i meet at the show)

opened with             mystery

1                       three hits
2                       it's alright
3                       thin line
4                       dgtgag
5                       least complicated
6                       shame on you
7                       caramia
8                       jonas & ezakial
9                       you and me of thw 10,000 wars
10                      sounds of freedom
11                      shed your skin
12                      get out the map
13                      scooter boys
14                      cortez the killer ? (i think)  amy breaks a string "g" and has to
                        change from acoustic to the strat which acctully sounded                        better.

15                      leeds
16                      tried to be true
17                      galileo
18                      everything in it's own time
19                      genicide (amy again breaks the "g" string)

closed with the usual "closer to fine" however becuse it was sully's
(lisa's) birthdy the had her come on the stage and play acoustic guitar
(cool)

the concert started at 7:00 pm and because the seating was ga i got to the
amphitheatre at around noon.  this long wait was made bearable  because of
new friend i made from the list, thank-you jan, and all of her cool
friends.  so after sitting in 100 + degree heat for about six hours they
left us in.  we rushed down to the front barrier and i ended up aginst the
rail right in front of were emily would be.  as it turned out i was about
20 feet from em and approx 30 from amy but she moves all over the stage
that it's hard to give an accurate distance :-)

the show opened with a great band from the arizona area (can't remember the
groups name.) the band consisted of five men (two were native americans)
and they played native amercan songs.  during two of the numbers a third
native american came on stage dressed in native costume and danced around.
the lead guitarist for this band was great.  i never thought that fingers
could move that fast over the fretboard.

after the stage was cleared and replaced with the ig set a&e came walking
out to a thounderous cheer.  the crowed was fantastic and the girls knew
right away that they were playing for "true fans" and not the "fair weather
fans that are lucky if they know the chourus to ctf" this enabled them to
relax right from the start.  every song that they sang, including the new
material, was sung out by the crowed so loud that a&e must have felt that
we were the ones with the microphones.  this gave a feeling of long camp
sing along.  they did the usual  talking to the aaudience, but being so
close all i could here was amy's band intro and stuff like "how y'all doing
out there" and "wow, it's kinda hot" so if there was any cool exchanges
like in texas i missed it.

anyway this is getting too long so i'll end it with my big thrill of the
night.  after the girls left the stage sully came out and we started asking
for picks.  she started to thow them out to the crowd.  i never was much
for catching flying objects hence why i'm not a pro baseball or football
star.  so i was thinking that i was'nt gonna get a pick untill after sully
handed out the setlist she was right in front of me.  holding out my newly
bought ig hat i said to her "sully, i know you must have another pick in
you pocket, could you please put in my hat cause i cant catch worh shit" so
she reaches inside her pants pocket pulls a pick out and put it in my hat.
i thanked her and wished her a happy birthday.  when she got back up on
stage the remaining fans sang "happy birthday to you" all in the key of
"off"

another note:  one of our small group had won a backstage pass and was able
to get a&e to sign the guitar of another member of our group.  also the
local radio station kzon did a pre-concert interview with emily (i think)
and we taped it while standing outside the gates frying our brains.  jan
made a copy and i gave her a blank to dub it for me but after the show i
forgot to get it.  i have to get in touch with her after she gets back form
the caalifonia shows.

the end

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date:         tue, 1 jul 1997 17:20:12 -0500
reply-to:     dan perkins <dan@tcdrs.org>
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absolutely get the gypsy kings cd. they are great. they played bambolero
at the end of the austin show on friday night and folks was dancing in
the aisles. the only time i have ever heard an audience applaud for the
recorded music played after a live concert performance!

btw the show friday night was fantastic (as if y'all haven't heard this
already). lift was great, of course now i feel the compulsion to get
myself a sara lee rules! tattoo.

it was also great meeting some of y'all at kerbey lane afterwards....
hey trant when do you want to get together and jam?!

peace,

dan perkins
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bassist/singer/songwriter

"i am a lonely road and i am traveling
looking for the key to set me free."
               -joni mitchell

>-----original message-----
>from:  kathy breheny [smtp:bluecuervo@aol.com]
>sent:  tuesday, july 01, 1997 4:21 pm
>subject:       subject: what's that song?? help me!
>
>in a message dated 97-07-01 09:00:04 edt, you write:
>
><< subject: what's that song?? help me! >>
>
>it is by the gypsy kings - i think you're thinking of bambolero - my spanish
>is terrible!!!! that's what they played at the end of the msg show and the
>pnc show.i was out to dinner the other night with my girlfriend and the song
>came on. i told her we definately have to get that album. it helps that she's
>latin, so she translates all these great songs for me. hope this helps.
>

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virginia woolf wrote:

>  i just don't get it.  why get angry when someone wants to stand??

ok, here is my problem with standing during a show. friday night at the
backyard in austin i had about 8th row seats. the folks in front of me
stood for most of the show, which means i had to stand. my problem is
that i am a really big person. i am 6' 5" tall and weigh about 255lbs. i
have very broad shoulders. i *know* when i stand up the people behind me
are not going to be able to see the stage, even if they do stand up. so,
my problem isn't so much with standing during the show as much as i feel
bad for the people behind me, because they are not going to be able to
see around me. if i stand i feel guilty because i am blocking someone
else's view. if i sit i get angry because i can't see the stage through
the people who are standing in front of me. my solution was sort of a
compromise. i sat for some songs, but stood for the one's i really
liked.

another thing to think about concerning standing is that some folks,
because of bad knees or bad backs, are unable to stand for extended
periods.

but i do  understand that sometimes it is difficult to stay seated. when
the music is really great the the body just sort of wants to jump up and
start twitching around. hands start clapping, hips start wiggling.

so, what's the answer. hell, i don't know.

peace,

dan perkins
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bassist/singer/songwriter

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looking for the key to set me free."
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hey all!!

can anyone tell me where "i'll give you my skin" is from?
....heard it for the 1st time the other day and really loved
it....really cool old 'girls sound with michael stipe added....

thanks...
:) eric

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>
> can anyone tell me where "i'll give you my skin" is from?
> ....heard it for the 1st time the other day and really loved
> it....really cool old 'girls sound with michael stipe added....
>
it's from the peta "tame yourself" cd, which is still available from vegan
action, i think...check out <http://www.vegan.org/>.
kirsten

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hey everyone!
question....totally ig related...
what other ig songs uses harmonics on the guitar, besides in "the weakness
in me"?

sorry no prize...cuz i don't know the answer myself. =?

bye,
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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subject:      its so hard being green

--- you wrote:
but what does the guy talking say?  i can make out "it's so hard when..."
but then i'm at a loss.
--- end of quoted material ---

he says "its so hard that ms. piggy finally decided to tell me to fark off"

sorry, its still kermit to me.

sus
now featured in a band called "gorgonzola"

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subject:      beer

i'm not a beer drinker, so for my private party, can i have woodchuck cider
on tap? if not, then sam adams cherry wheat gets my vote.  or just a lot of
frozen margaritas and some sangria:-)

sari

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its from the peta cd


on tue, 1 jul 1997, eric nerino wrote:

> hey all!!
>
> can anyone tell me where "i'll give you my skin" is from?
> ....heard it for the 1st time the other day and really loved
> it....really cool old 'girls sound with michael stipe added....
>
> thanks...
> :) eric
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jen & stacey...please e-mail me, so i can get your snail mail addresses &
mail you copies of the mm pics you took!

andi

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hey,
so this is my official "entrance" post.  i couldn't resist fessing up to
my ramah background.  i was there in 81, 82, and then again a few years
later.  i haven't thought about that place in years, thanks....

well, for those who are interested, i'm new to the list but i've been
listening to the girls for years.  i'm (almost) 23 and a mo' better bio
grad student at the u of oregon.

that's it for now.

java

(only 8 more days until the champoeg park concert!)

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subject:      re: music and religion <long> definitely nigc

pardon this religious discussion... but i do find it relevant to our love of
indigo girls, especially since i find a lot of spiritual meanings in their
stuff for myself. so there.

in a message dated 97-07-01 18:47:21 edt, m feeney wrote:

>        weeeeeeeeeeell, speaking from the point of view of a former
>christian (now non-religous), i can tell you that christians tend to
>be verrrrry bible-oriented, and strictly so.  if it's not in obvious
>black and white there on the pages, then they don't generally believe
>in it.

be careful, there... you may want to specify what kinds of christians are so
fundamental in their beliefs as to warrant this generalization.  i am a
christian, but i certainly do not believe that banning musical instruments
from church is in the best interests of my holiness... ::ahem::  neither do
many other christians.  i hope you didn't give up christianity just because
of that one church, because many christians out there love great music and
find truth in all kinds in music -- especially igs music!!  my bf (neil)
worked on a christian radio show at his university and regularly played igs
music on it... it was accepted that there was some religious truth there for
everyone, even christians. :) of course, this was in england, and i doubt
christian radio here (unless it was a very cool station) would play igs on
it.  :p :)

and i vote that c.s. lewis and aslan rules.  in the spirit of universalism, i
refer people to read _the last battle_ of the narnia books.  there is a great
scene in the end when aslan speaks to a worshipper of a "pagan" god who
realizes that he was wrong to not worship aslan.  and aslan basically says
that if you aspire to good, then you serve the only true god there is, no
matter what he is called. i just thought that was really cool and deep,
especially for a kids (!!) book.

okay.  back to lurking...


peace,

andi

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hey everyone!  here's an updated list of tickets that i have available.
please e-mail me privately if interested.
thanks,
elise

4 tix/general admission  lilith fair, salem or;  july 6; $42.90 each
4 tix/general admission  champoeg state park, or; july 9; $29.00 each
4 tix/general admission  champoeg state park, or; july 10; $29.40 each

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andrew stokell wrote:
>
> hello all
>
> de-cloaked just long enoug to ask whether anybody'll be taping any of
> the lilith fair?

i'm going to polaris in columbus on aug 10, and i want to make a boot
for y'all, but i've never done it before.  does anyone want to pass
along advice regarding good/bad recorders, or polaris security, or
anything else that would help me decide if i should even bother?  any
advice would be appreciated.

vicki

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hey folks,

susan marine said:
>he says "its so hard that ms. piggy finally decided to tell me to fark off"
>
>sorry, its still kermit to me.

hehe.  actually, i have to confess that to me it
sounds like, "it's so hard when they all have,
ah, hepatitis... go away."

no, we will not be putting that in the faq. :)

btw, does anyone out there have any boots by
susan werner, cheryl wheeler, patty larkin or
four bitchin' babes?  if so, wanna trade?

:)
sherlyn
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     any moment in time, every memory of mine.
     those years are lines of colour on my face;
     my past is warpaint."   - happy rhodes

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>jennifer wrote....
>
> i have noticed a few people mention that one of their "goals" in life was
> to convert otherwise ignorant people into ig fans...

i have never tried to do this until today...my coworker is going on
vacation with her husband so i made them a travelling tape.  we share a
common interest in sheryl crow, so i made a tape of scs latest
album...there was a lot of space left so i thought it might be nice to add
in a mix of ig songs.  i included two songs from sf, ig, rop, and sots (e &
a, respectively).  i don't even know if they've ever heard of ig, let alone
like their music but i thought i'd take a chance.  who knows?

feeling sneaky,
rachel

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sorry for nigc, stacey, please let me know if you have sent the botos
yet. tricia

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subject:      kristen hall boots? (nigc)

hey everyone!

     i'm sorry for the complete lack of igc, but i'm looking for any good
kristen hall boots/concert pictures.  i'll pay for reprints and/or blanks,
whatever.  i have some ig stuff to trade as well.  please e-mail me
privately, i'd really appreciate it.  thanks!

*peace y'all*
nicole
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hi all,
i'm new to list too but i've been an ig fan for years.  i have really
enjoyed reading all of your great stories the past few weeks and i think
this has got to be one of the best lists around!
i think the recording idea sounds great!  i would love to get together
with any of you for an ig jam session!  i live in maryland. suz, i don't
know where you are...nearby????
i think you guys are great (ok-it sounds cheesy but i can't help it).
rachel 0,0
        o la la la

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subject:      mellie2 please read

sorry for band width,

mellie from the list ask me a ppv related question, but i lost her email
address. i think it strated w/ mellie2. mellie if you out there please
write to me.

trant

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sorry for the nigc.

hey trant and linda, drop me a line and let's see about getting together
and playing some music sometime.

peace,

dan perkins
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bassist/singer/songwriter

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looking for the key to set me free."
               -joni mitchell

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did i miss that vh1 special that some of you were so lucky as to actually
attend?  any idea when its' supposed to be on?

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hi all,

i took a friend to the ig concert at the backyard on friday. she had
never seen the girls before and isn't really familiar with their music
(in the air... you can hear
'em singing... ooops sorry i digressed) anyhow my friend made a comment
that kinda made me stop and think and i was wondering what others
thought about this. my friends first comment was "they're very religious
aren't they?".  while indigo girls' music has always been very spiritual
for me, i had never really seen a particular religious side to their
music. any thoughts on this?

peace,

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party b/c it's been a little quiet along the western cyber-front this
morning, and partly b/c i'm using toothpicks to keep my eyes open ~ ~ ~
here's my .02 concerning a few moments.....

first, on this folkisgruven station (90.7 - ny) where they play some really
cool and mellow stuff, they first played "redemtion songs" by bob
marley.... and i just sat there listening to that almost sad song - imagining
amy singing it with all her compassion (and a little rasta "diction" too -
hehehe), and wishing i could've seen her sing that in the ig recent
shows.... but oh well.....
but, and that is a big but (one t only) - my wish was granted------
because the next song was "tried to be true" !!!!!!!!!!!!   i felt like i was at a
concert and there was a slow song, and then a rousing change of pace
kicks in and gets you shakin' the hip shake thang.... and i was a happy
camper (to stay with another theme).
so it was an exciting car ride home.

also, while i was listening to strange fire from 1200c last night before
crashing, i went to set my alarm for 7:25am (grrrrrrr) and i went to check
the volume of the radio to wake me up and guess what was playing!!!!
soy!!!!!  i didn't know whether to turn that off, or turn strange fire off my
stereo....weird, huh???   i was at a loss, but a good one.....

and to top off my indigo-day with a big-ol cherry, i saw the beginning of
scream, which you all know in the (party of five) girl's room there's an ig
poster in her room!!!

the next thing should be a&e knocking at my door, but i think i'm a little
far away from the greek theater right now....

thanks for listening!!!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
what is that?  well it's a large fiery object in the center of the universe,
but that's not important right now.... and who the hell is shirley???
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
mkc

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subject:      to listee who wanted pier july 12th tix

i accidentally deleted my digest with the post from someone who wanted
tickets for this date...i have one available so if you'd like it, email
me at deng@vnet.ibm.com.  tx,

denise

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subject:      re: indigo moments

i too woke up to soy on my radio alarm (at 5:30am grrrr)while sleeping so
soundly in my ig concert tee shirt (the blue one that has "shed your skin"
on it).  i was in a quandry because i usually hit the "snooze" button at
that point, but couldn't bring myself to hit "snooze" while amy and emily
were singing to me to "get up"!!!!!!!!!
and so i did.......get up.....
that's all folks, just my 0.02
kris

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at 10:45 am 7/2/97 -0400, mkc wrote:
>party b/c it's been a little quiet along the western cyber-front this
>morning,
and my response is: *alright*!!!!!
pardee, pardee. pardee, pardee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
nothing like a good party to take care o' a too quiet morning:-)
peace ( and pandemonium ) kim ( goddess o' punnery )
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hey, ya'll!  i have a belated ig moment to share...belated because i
discovered it too late to make a copy.  dangit.  anyway, i was on my way
to the walmart about 11:20 last night (it's an exciting life), and i was
flipping stations when i landed on our local station, which was
broadcasting the world cafe show.  needless to say, by the time i did a
u-turn and got to my apartment, it was 11:30 (*&@# traffic lights!)  i
couldn't tape it, so i just turned it up loud enough to shake windows and
danced around!  i'm sure the neighbors appreciated that =p

gotta go to class, just thought i'd share...
amy

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if anyone out there still has an extra copy of pulse magazine, please email
me! i can send you a sase or whatever we'll work out.  thanks.  :)

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okay, i have to join this discussion.  i see both sides of the argument
since i have bad knees.  *but* i guess i fall on the side of exuberance.
a concert is an emotional experience and i think the crowds owe it to the
artists to show their gratitude by paying attention, dancing, singing and
clapping (in other words being engaged and involved).  i like to dance at
concerts and i get pretty annoyed when people ask me to sit.  in fact, i
had some serious conflicts with people at the mesa, arizona ampitheatre
who not only wanted to be able to stay seated, but wanted to lie down on
their blankets and enjoy an unobstructed view.  i know that the heat makes
people lethargic, but that seemed a little ridiculous.  also, i have the
opposite problem from dan:  i am very short and i must stand if the people
in front of me are standing.
we're not talking about the ballet or classical music.  different
situations have different standards of behavior.  i think that the artist
appreciates it when he or she looks out on an audience dancing and
singing.


> virginia woolf wrote:
>
> >  i just don't get it.  why get angry when someone wants to stand??

on tue, 1 jul 1997, dan perkins wrote:>
> stood for most of the show, which means i had to stand. my problem is
> that i am a really big person. i am 6' 5" tall and weigh about 255lbs. i
> have very broad shoulders. i *know* when i stand up the people behind me
> are not going to be able to see the stage, even if they do stand up. so,
> my problem isn't so much with standing during the show as much as i feel
> bad for the people behind me, because they are not going to be able to

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i don't know if any one can help me but i am looking for 2 tickets to the
july 17th red rocks show.  my parents are in town and would love to see the
indigo girls at such a beautiful place.

if anyone can help me email me at kmryan@aol.com

thank you,
karen

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hello again gang -

i promise this is the last time for this thread - short lived indeed. but i
just want to clarify and validate some things.

no flames for kimberly. :)

the info provided by - michael cunningham is absolutely correct. so you can
quote me and i won't deny it.  :)

michael cleared up the "gollum" - smeagle thing. he is indeed as you described
him, kim.

a couple other quick notes. some of the other players in the lord of the rings
not mentioned are aragorn ( "strider" ), who becomes king again. don't forget
merry and pippin, frodo's cousin's.

that should do it. i recommend it to all. read the hobbit then the lord of the
rings. as the hobbit is indeed the intro as noted by michael. the lord.........
is three books but i swear, once you start, you won't be able to put "them"
down.

goodnight all.

dave.

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hi folks,

   i have temporarily removed "ems420@aol.com" from the igboston
list because of repeated bounces.

   if someone who recognizes this address would kindly forward this
information to the owner, i would appreciate it.  i'll be happy to
reinstate the account when things have been cleared up.

                                thanks,

                                   chris

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here's a _quick_ report from the san diego show - good show!

i was early and pulled into a remote parking lot to get my stuff
together.  and thought - hey, there must be another fan in this parking
lot because i can hear them playing sots... it's shed your skin... no...
it's the soundcheck!   yeah, you could hear it across the water - i
caught sys and chiapas bound, which was nice because they didn't really
play that one.  it was a good sign.

the billy tipton memorial jazz quartet (which opened and is doing
alternate nights through seattle, i think) is 5 cool women, and if you
love jazz you'll love them, or if you're in a good mood, you'll enjoy them
a lot.  i was in a good mood...

the venue had folding chairs up front, it was right next to the water, and
there was lots of space for picnics and blankets behind and around the
sides.  also lots of alcohol being served all around.  so this meant that
by the middle of the concert, everyone was very loud and into it.  good in
a way, although the people near me were doing annoying things like
laughing hysterically during leeds and ruining my feeble attempt at
booting the show.

but basically the crowd was great.  during the encore the ushers let
everyone crowd up at the stage, people sang everything and a & e were
pretty happy - amy said we rocked!  they looked happy and smiled a lot,
said they'd been over to the boardwalk during the day and had a really
good time.    sully and the jazz quartet all came on stage for ctf and
josh did a fun violin solo during it.  they didn't introduce the band
until the very end - i thought they had forgotten!

here's the set list - i gotta go get in line at tower records...

1. reunion
2. it's alright
3. shame on you
4. least complicated
5. don't give that girl a gun
6. caramia
7. 3 hits
8. everything in it's own time
9. land of canaan
10. redemption song
11. power of 2
12. leeds
13. shed your skin
14. get out the map
15. cut it out - with something added at the end
16. ghost
17. tried to be true
18. galileo
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encore:
19. kid fears
20. scooter boys - with the additional "sad eyed soldiers" part
21. closer to fine

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at 02:28 am 7/1/97 -0500, angela sasser wrote:
>i think all religions have a common thread.  that's why i can't stand it
>when christians go around putting down religions like buddism and things
>like reincarnation.  some religions go back way before christianity and
>older religions can sometimes make more sense.  well anyway that common
>thread is god.  if you look closely, god is in all religion in some form.
>
>and if you ask me, god is music.  it's like the chronicles of narnia in the
>magician's nephew i think, aslan (which represents jesus) sings narnia into
>exsistance.  he sings the sun, he sings the rain and trees and flowers, and
>everything.  everything is his song.  these books (all of the chronicles)
>have moved me more than anything i have ever read.  in case any of you don't
>know, they are by c.s. lewis and the first book is the lion, the witch, and
>the wardrobe.  if you are looking for some really good adventure and some
>insight on how one man (c.s. lewis) believed in god, you should read the
>series.  oh yeah, and they are children's books by the way.  which makes
>them even better.
>tigger know's what i'm saying ;).
>
>me angie(always trying to convert everyone into lewisinians....)
>
>p.s. this whole post kinda sounded like a cross between the 700 club and
>reading rainbow...
>
>at 05:07 pm 6/28/97 -0700, you wrote:
>>ballhoop@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>>  > from: brian hirschfield <golgi@castle.net>
>>>  > to: moe-l@netspace.org
>>>  > subject: music and religion
>>>  > date: thursday, june 26, 1997 6:20 pm
>>>  >
>>>  > while most of the world says they believe in some sort of "god", you
have
>>>  > to raise your eyebrow the same way you did when other people claimed
>>>  > there to be aliens hanging behind hale-bopp.  however, since so many
>>>  > people insist on this god thing, i'd say it relays some sort of human
>>>  need
>>>  > to know that we arent the most powerful things roaming around.  if you
>>
>>the common held feeling on the need for god, is a need to have an answer
>>to the question why.  when the idea of god first appeared man new next
>>to nothing about his surroundings.  why does the sun shine?  because,
>>god willed it.  why don't the plants grow?  because, god is mad.  and
>>so on.  now a days it is because that is how it's always been.  and the
>>fact that it is comforting to most people to beleave that something is
>>in control.  i personally beleave in a god because it helps me make
>>sense of what's going on around me, and allows me to have somewhere to
>>turn when things aren't going right.  and, in some part it is because
>>i was raised roman catholic and have been going to church my whole life.
>>though i wouldn't call myself a serious catholic (i've problems with
>>certain stands of the church and have found a lot of truth in writings
>>on toaism and zen buddism) i still go to church at times, because it
>>is comforting for me to do so.
>>
>>>  > go.  with this in mind, and a real reluctance to buy into the
"invisible
>>>  > man" theory, i still have to wonder what it is that all of these people
>>>  > think is this superhuman thing, and why they are so sure of it, when
none
>>>  > of them have ever substantially witnessed anything that would give them
>>>  > reason to believe such a thing.
>>>  >
>>
>>this is the deffinition of the word faith.  if, you are truely interested
>>in this, take a class on religion, if at all possible.  not a certain
>>religion, but, religion in general, a world religions class if at all
>>possible.
>>
>>>  > this leads me to a specific example.  music.  all of us here know
what it
>>>  > feels like to blissfuly carried through the climax of mexico, or to be
>>>  > riding the adrenaline wave of meat, and various other instances
where we
>>>  > have great feelings watching moe., and many other bands play.  the
>>>  > feelings are so strong, and unique to the particular situation, that we
>>>  > make it a priority to try and recreate these feelings as often as
>>>  > possible, by seeing the band play as often as we can, or by collecting
>>>  > tapes of their shows.  this becomes a culture for us.  you could
call it
>>>  a
>>>  > religion.  a completely disorganized religion, where the belief is
real,
>>>  > the feelings are real, and where everybodys experiences are completely
>>>  > personal.  its not the sole thing that guides us through life, like you
>>
>>if you do a little research into taoism, zen, and other eastern religions
>>and philosophies, and then talk to the people who are moved by music,
>>you'll find that a 19 year old kid at a phish show can have a understanding
>>of the fundamentals of taoism with even knowing what it is.  why?  because
>>the beliefs are very basic.  at the core, there are no differences between
>>religions.  at the core of it, the catholic is the same as the buddist and
>>the jew the same as the musslim.  it is all about becoming in perfect sinc
>>with the controlling force.  the differences arise in how to obtain this
>>being in sinc.  and, even in the differences there are simularities.  the
>>big simularity being meditation.  every religion i've come across promtes
>>meditation.  western religions call it prayer though.  most people think
>>of meditation as sitting very still and saying things like "ohm," but in
>>fact meditation is simply setting your mind adrift and letting it empty
>>of thoughts.  i personally, have tried the sitting still method, but have
>>trouble empting my thoughts, on the other hand i find it very easy to
>>empty my head while doing mundane choirs.  a friend of mine meditates while
>>she runs.  the one time in my life, when i fell completly in sinc with
>>everything was dancing at a show.
>>so, why do we give ourselves over to the music, mind, body, and soul?
>>because we have done so in the past and have found peace and comfort.
>>somewhere inbetween the notes we got a hint of the other side.  weather
>>you call it heaven, enlightenment, zen, or whatever.  we give ourselves
>>over so we can try and find it.  so we can bask in it.  at least that
>>is my take on the matter.  that one time, at that one show, i was filled
>>with so much joy and elation that i fought back tears of joy, for the
>>first and only time and my life.  i hit the shows, to lose myself
>>"inbetween the notes" as i like to put it.  may be that is why you
>>so it as well.
>>
>>> ---------------------
>>> forwarded message:
>>> from:   edan@openix.com (sir edan)
>>> to:     moe-l@netspace.org
>>> date: 97-06-27 20:26:51 edt
>>>
>>> and the tapers are the scribes and apostles writing down the ideas and
>>> beliefs of the musical prophets....
>>>
>>
>>that suggests that you think the musicians are the worker's of god.
>>i personally see them as a tool to make meditation easier.  much
>>like, many people who meditate use a gong or chime or bell, that
>>they sound when they first start and then let their thoughts follow
>>the sound as it rings out, so that when it falls silent, your thoughts
>>are empty.
>>
>>matt
>>
>>--
>>"if you can't be with the one you love,
>> love the one you're with"
>>                        stephen stills
>>
>>"we are the people our parents warned us about" -jimmy buffet
>>
>>wonderment, is the brilliance of children.
>>
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subject:      check out the got certificate

hey y'all. havent had time to do much fancy, but i have gotten a copy of
the certificate we are giving a&e on a temporary web-site. be warned, it
is fairly graphic-intensive, and resolution isnt great. but it does
provide a quick decko.

i will be gone for 2 weeks. when i return we'll see about fixing it.

the addy is:
www.psy.tcu.edu/psy/got.jpg

hope you like it!

urvashi
urma@juno.com

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hi,
  i have an extra *reserved* seat ticket that i must fill.
the show is at the greek theater in berkeley on july 6th sunday at 3 pm.
i am looking to sell the ticket at face value $35.

anyone interested? email me at ylien@intervista.com


yun

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hi folks,
i'm going outta town for a week. if anyone is trying to get me i'll be back
tuesday. don't say anything deep until then. ;)
lisa


"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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hey dan!

        i agree that i've always considered the ig's music spriritual and
not religious.  however, upon looking in the dictionary, it is quite
arguable that "hard core" ig fans (like myself :) are part of a religious or
at least artistic cult.

        the first definition of "cult" according to webster's is:
1) formal religious veneration: worship;
       -but probably most applicable to ig fans is:
5) a: great devotion to a person idea or thing  b: a usually small circle of
persons united by devotion or allegiance to an artistic or intellectual
movement or figure

        and "religious" is defined as:
1) relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged utimate
reality or deity ...
3) a: scrupulously and conscientiously faithful  b:  fervent, zealous

        so, i can see how your friend might think that the entire backyard
event was a religious gathering.  i think it was! :)
        after all, we post about "converting" ig fans, the girls' "messages"
of truth and love, the spiritual experiences we have when we see the girls
live!!!  many folks travel around the country (and even the world) to see ig
concerts over and over and over again :o :)
        we record their performances and share them with our brethern :)

        and is anyone on this list fervent or zealous???  i don't think so!
;) ;)
we know the words and music to all the new songs_before_ the albums come out
and we sing along to all the songs, stand throughout entire concerts (most
of the friday backyard crowd did!!), and are generally fanatical about
talking about ig's (just ask my friends :o)

        add to that that amy and emily were raised in a_totally_christian
environment and amy studied religion, while emily's father is a minister.
so there is undoubtedly going to be religious references and motif's in
their songs.

        and then amy (and emily on piano?) sung bob marley's *redemption
song* which is an incredibly religious/spiritual song:

        "...my hand was made strong
        by the hand of the almighty....
        emancipate yourselves from mental slavery
        none but ourselves can free our minds
        have no fear for atomic energy
        cause none of them can stop the time
        how long shall they kill our prophets
        while we stand aside and look
        some say it's just a part of it
        we've got to fulfill the book...

        won't you help to sing, these songs of freedom
        cause all i ever had, redemption songs
        all i ever had, redemption songs
        these songs of freedom, songs of freedom"
                                                        bob marley


"god is music!" -- <yeah i kinda like that, too!>

hallelu*jah* sisters and brothers! :)

peace and cool runnings~
tony


at 09:31 am 7/2/97 -0500, dan perkins wrote:
>hi all,
>i took a friend to the ig concert at the backyard on friday. she had
>never seen the girls before and isn't really familiar with their music
>(in the air... you can hear
>'em singing... ooops sorry i digressed) anyhow my friend made a comment
>that kinda made me stop and think and i was wondering what others
>thought about this. my friends first comment was "they're very religious
>aren't they?".  while indigo girls' music has always been very spiritual
>for me, i had never really seen a particular religious side to their
>music. any thoughts on this?
>peace,
>dan perkins

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subject:      tour t-shirt

i went to one of the pre-release shows, in norton, mass, and something
someone posted just reminded me... the t-shirt i bought (because i would
never not buy the t-shirt!) actually is really ugly!!!!! not to mention
just plain strange, as i realised when i got home. it's black, with a
nude mannequin on the front and a deer. what is that? did anyone else
get one? what does it mean? and does anyone else wear theirs? i really
need to see the point before i can wear the damn thing.  oh the trials of an ob
sessed fan....

(sorry if you guys already talked about this, i haven't been on the list that
long...)

ta muchly

elizabeth.

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subject:      contributions toward got

i posted the other day that making, framing, and mailing the got
certificate has cost me $130. i didnt anticipate it being that much, so
we are asking those who feel like it to send small donations (e.g., $5,
or even less)  to offset the cost. please let lilmarcia@juno.com know if
you are sending anything. once we recoup cost, she will post to the list
to let you all know ( i am incommunicado for 2 weeks).  if we collect
anything more than our cost, we shall donate it toward emily's birthday
present on behalf of the list.

so far one person has responded (thanks jude h.!), which is why i am
posting this. it is a bit awkward for me to even ask really, but i really
could use some help with it.

thanks in advance!

urma@juno.com

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tony,

> "god is music!" -- <yeah i kinda like that, too!>

you make some very excellent points. all this time i have been thinking
of myself as an agnostic person and yet here i am a part of a religious
cult!

although raised catholic, i never was able to believe in the gospel
according to the bible. however, i completely believe in the gospel
according to emily and amy.

"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"

the music of indigo girls has become such an important part of my life
and has helped me to find a more positive and spiritual part of myself
and has made me feel like a part of a greater whole. there really is
such a sense of community and almost family surrounding the music of
indigo girls. it is such a unifying force and positive force in so many
folks' lives.

peace,

dan perkins
post-episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
bassist/singer/songwriter

"i am a lonely road and i am traveling
looking for the key to set me free."
               -joni mitchell

>
>
>

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has anyone been able to locate a boot of the kettering show/fraze
pavillion?  if anyone has, please let me know.  i am dying to get a copy of
it.  email me privately if you have any information!

another note, many thanks to those who sent me wonderful pictures of me
with the girls.  that was incredibly wonderful of all of you to do that!
thanks y'all,
chris
"do or do not.  there is no try..."
                 -quote from a very wise little green muppet...

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>>>. what is that? did anyone else
>get one? what does it mean? and does anyone else wear theirs? i really
>need to see the point before i can wear the damn thing.  <<<

i wear the shirt.  to me it looks like she's the protector of the woods.
kind of like mother earth.  i can't wear it to work, but i wear it just
about everywhere else proudly.  if you don't like it that much put duct tape
on the part you don't like.  (yet another use for duct tape)
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subject:      re: ig religious cult???

just checking in...yes, i'd say i was >> fervent, zealous<< fan as tony
said!very enthusiastic ( hi tony)
kris

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subject:      re: standing at a show (was dallas show!!)

> from: vigil garian arleta <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu>
>
> okay, i have to join this discussion.  i see both sides of the argument
> since i have bad knees.  *but* i guess i fall on the side of exuberance.
> a concert is an emotional experience and i think the crowds owe it to the
> artists to show their gratitude by paying attention, dancing, singing and
> clapping (in other words being engaged and involved).

i believe if we enjoy a song and/or concert we should show that enjoyment, but not at the expense of others.  if your singing is disturbing (off key, too loud) i have no problem asking you to 'please' be quiet or sing quieter because you are interrupting my time.  now this sounds like you against me but, we as people need to respect others.  i respect your want to sing, dance, clap whatever you want as long as it doesn't disturb others. now is it your right because you paid for your ticket just as i paid for mine, to do as you please?  i don't know the answer to that.  sometimes the venue makes the rules to be followed.  i like to dance and sing (don't like clapping because it ruins the sound) and as a veteran of 100+ grateful dead shows i stood thru each one of them (except when i was tired) and so did most of the people at the show. but that was expected at a dead show.  at the ig shows i've been to, i get the feeling that most of the people want to sit and listen, where as i would like to dance and sing a

t the top of my lungs, but i don't because i believe its not my right to disturb someone because i can.  the music is the same dancing or not, dancing is an expression of hapiness and enjoyment.  so, after all of this, do as you please.  but if you can't sing a lick or dance like a wounded chicken or clap once out of rhythm i may ask you to stop.

> i like to dance at
> concerts and i get pretty annoyed when people ask me to sit.  in fact, i
> had some serious conflicts with people at the mesa, arizona ampitheatre
> who not only wanted to be able to stay seated, but wanted to lie down on
> their blankets and enjoy an unobstructed view.  i know that the heat makes
> people lethargic, but that seemed a little ridiculous.  also, i have the
> opposite problem from dan:  i am very short and i must stand if the people
> in front of me are standing.

i'm a strapping man of 5'6" so if you stand, i pretty much have to also.  but if your the only one standing and most of the crowd is seated, you can create a chain reaction of events that can cause a number of people to stand or a number of people to bitch.  why cause a confrontation.  an ig show is a peaceful event or how about an harmonic event.


this is just an opinion, skewed as it maybe, its only an opinion.

marty.

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subject:      "oh no; here we go again..." (nsmigc)

bonjour, punkins! =)
      c'est moi, sarafina, with yet another epistle for the masses... =)  i'm
going to try to get it all out, but goodness knows that's quite difficult for
one so scatterbrained... a list:
1) if you own it, go put in "more abba gold".  i'm listening to it right this
very second, and it might help put you in the mood for this here post. =)
("abba gold" is also acceptable, i suppose...)
2) if you don't care about me, my existence, my thoughts, my opinions, my
ideas, or anything else that has to do with little ol' me, delete this _now_
and i beg you not to send flamage... who needs all that with the hundreds of
messages i'm still trying to read?
3) it's time, yet once again, for some new mix tapes! =)  that's right,
kiddies, sarah is in need of some new music for her car and she can't afford
to buy anything new, so she turns to you, her internet family, to participate
in a nice, friendly round of let's trade mix tapes. =)  here's my idea.  i
will happily trade copies of any of the last four volumes of "sarah's
greatest hits" for any mix tape anyone has to offer.  it could be your
personal best of ig or no ig at all.  it could be slavic dances.  it could be
abba! =)  whatever you like... it could have a theme, like only songs with
the word "girl" in the title, (a la "girls girls girls", one of my acclaimed
theme tapes of yore...) or be completely random... i'd like to trade with
anyone interested and see what happens. =)
4) comme d'habitude, if i owe you anyting, _please_ contact me, but i think
i'm pretty well caught up...
5) if anyone wants a copy of iris dement's latest album, i have an extra.  i
paid $8, and it's all yours for anything remotely close to that... make an
offer...
6) i'm writing a novel to reveal all the intimate details of michelle
malone's life and times, so if you have any dirt, send it my way.
7) i'm totally joking about #6.
8) i still have some copies of that "atlanta" magazine with the amy article
in it and i'd love to get rid of them.  low, low, bargain price of $5. =)
9) if anyone needs any merchandise from michelle malone, please let me know
by the middle of july and i'll be happy to hook you right up. =)
10) i suppose i'm just babbling now, but i look forward to hearing from any
or all of you soon. =)  until then, champagne wishes and caviar dreams, er,
uh, luvs and huggies, er, peace, love, and butter biscuits, sarah

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hi y'all

if anyone's interested in two general admission tickets at face value ($25)
plus a $4 service charge for both tickets (because i can't bear to sock it
to people like bass--$4 for each ticket), please email me or call (510)
547-7288. basically it's $27 for each ticket. i know many of you already
have tix, but for those who are still desperately searching, this may be the
perfect opportunity.

thanks,
karen

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half-empty. and cracked. and i just cut my lip on it.
and chipped a tooth." -janeane garofalo

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>i think all religions have a common thread.  that's why i can't stand it
>when christians go around putting down religions like buddism and things
>like reincarnation.  some religions go back way before christianity and
>older religions can sometimes make more sense.  well anyway that common
>thread is god.  if you look closely, god is in all religion in some form.

i will agree that this is true to a certain degree.  however, i think it it
better stated that the basis of any religion is the belief in a higher
power.  i hesitate to say god, because in a religion other than
christianity, god is not necessarily a _human_ like form.  in buddhism, the
higher power is enlightenment.  native americans call "god" the creator.
muslims call "god" allah.  the significance of the higher power is the most
important part of any religion.

>>>  > however, since so many
>>>  > people insist on this god thing, i'd say it relays some sort of human
>>>  > need to know that we arent the most powerful things roaming around.

i imagine that deep down, the idea of a higher power, a "god" if you will,
is definitely a human need.  it's not neccessarily a need to keep us
humble, but more encompassing several needs.  it is a means of letting go
of the burden of responsibility.  it gives us something of perfection to
work toward becoming.  it provides a sense of stability in a world that is
so insecure.

> weeeeeeeeeeell, speaking from the point of view of a former
> christian (now non-religous), i can tell you that christians tend to
> be verrrrry bible-oriented, and strictly so.

this is true of most religions.  it goes back to the point that religion is
something that provides us with stability.  even those who are agnostic use
their religion as a comfort zone.

>>>  > with this in mind, and a real reluctance to buy into the "invisible
>>>  > man" theory, i still have to wonder what it is that all of these people
>>>  > think is this superhuman thing, and why they are so sure of it, when
>>>  > none of them have ever substantially witnessed anything that would
give >>>  > them reason to believe such a thing.
>>
>>this is the definition of the word faith.

this is a very good point, and one that i'd like to re-iterate.  it isn't
really religion that we should be discussing.  more over, it's faith that
drives us all to believe in a higher power.  it's not that people believe
in the "the invisible man" theory, but rather that they use their faith in
a higher power to empower themselves.  this is something that people seem
to lose in understanding that most religions, despite their differences,
are still quite similar.

>>so, why do we give ourselves over to the music, mind, body, and soul?
>>because we have done so in the past and have found peace and comfort.

this is another great point.  music is very much like religion.  it doesn't
matter what type of music you enjoy, you can find comfort in it.  the music
of the indigo girls is appealing to a great number of people (that's
obvious since we have this list) and their music can be a comfort to those
people who find special meaning in it.  but as with any music, the
interpretations are endless.  where some may find spiritual enlightenment,
others may just hear some really good tunes.

any way you look at it, music plays a big part of religion.  the indigo
girls music, while providing us with, what could be interpreted as, an
intimite look at their faith, is still just music.  it's up to each person
as an individual to bring to the music their faith, and that, in the end,
leads to multiple meanings found in each of their songs.  i wouldn't say
they're spiritual or religious, but i would say that they are though
provoking and inspirational.

just my 2 cents.

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hi --

i have 3 general admission tickets to the lilith fair in washington on saturday,
july 5.  my travel plans have changed and i will not be able to attend.  anyone
need a ticket?  it is my understanding that the show is sold out.  i don't have
them right in front of me right now but i think they were $35 each.

e-mail me if you're interested.

karen

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hi generally most kind and cult worshipping friends,

does anyone, anyone, anyone have any spare tix for the lillith fair at
shoreline next tuesday? or any leads on where i could get them? i could
pay even a little more than face. please? i only need two.

larissa needs her tracy fix.

i love you all and if you help me i'll be your friend forever and cook
you dinner.

respond to: lbrown@scruznet.com, not the addy i sent this from.

-larissa

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subject:      honk if you love (amy ray as) jesus!  *or*  re: music and religion

in a message dated 97-07-01 18:47:13 edt, 00tmfeeney@bsuvc.bsu.edu (mike
feeney) writes:

<< christian (now non-religous), i can tell you that christians tend to
be verrrrry bible-oriented, and strictly so.  if it's not in obvious
black and white there on the pages, then they don't generally believe
in it.  to elaborate, in the church i used to attend, they don't
believe in using musical instruments in the worship service, so they
sing a cappella.  the reasoning for this is because nowhere in the new
testament did anyone ever say it was okay to use instruments. >>

ummmm . . . .
ok, i think we're making a few generalizations here.
i'll say it: i am a christian.  there!  do i fit the above paragraph?  no.
does anyone in my congregation fit it?  nope.  anyone in my town?  yes, the
group that meets in the basement of one of the elementary schools.
i don't mean to pick on whoever posted this, but reading a lot of these posts
really has me a little ticked off.  not all christians are bible thumping
lunatics.  =)  a lot of us are actually normal, nice people.  my church
(episcipal) teaches us that everyone should be loved un-conditionaly because
we're all god's children.  if you sin, yes you'll pay for it, but if you
actively seek redemption, you'll be granted it.  our church teaches that
homosexuality is perfectly acceptable (in fact, our minister is a lesbian,
and we recently had a pot luck dinner to celebrate her commitment ceremony),
and that everyone is created equal.
as to the crazy right-wing christians, i think it would be best to quote my
youth group leader: "they give real christians a bad name."

=)  hope i didn't offend anyone . . . just sayin' what i know . . .

-elizabeth, who swears she is studying for her history final, honest mommy .
. .

oops.  (ps: and we even play instruments in church!  and often do ig stuff .
. . )
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"no!" <-- me, today, having an attack . . .

http://members.aol.com/wishmonstr/ewebpg.htm
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hello everyone,
im still looking for a dallas boot.  it was my first ig
concert, and i would love to have a boot of it.
if anyone can help please e-mail me.

thanks,
cindy

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in response to your question, amy is of no particular religion although she
believes in jesus, yet "not in a christian way." i guess emily was raised
methodist also as her father teaches religion and was if not still a
methodist minister..if you want more info let me know..yougfemme

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subject:      anyone need seattle ticket?

i've ended up with a spare ticket for the sunday, july 13 show.

anyone interested?  it's $25 plus postage.

private email responses, please.

ann

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the subject line says it all.  if interested please contact heather at
abbzug@aol.com

thanks

michael

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hey ya'll  - in response to this:
<<  my friends first comment was "they're very religious
aren't they?".  while indigo girls' music has always been very spiritual
for me, i had never really seen a particular religious side to their
music. any thoughts on this? >>

i don't think a and e are particularly religious, but i've always thought
they were the most ultimate of cool because they seem very spiritual,and very
much into their own spiritual journey, without being all churchy and bogus
about it.  i know one of their dads is a minister so there was at least a
little tradional religion in their past.  i don't know about ya'll, but
that's the kind of higher power i can get into!  i want to be just like them
when i grow up...

p.s. i have really been enjoying all of your posts these last few months -
seems like a wonderfully diverse group!

from the burbs
bonnie

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hello, all.  it's a very sad day for me, and many other people.  jimmy
stewart, one of the most wonderful actors and all-around persons in the
world, died today.

igc?  no, i guess not.  but of all the things in this world that i really,
really love, ig and jimmy stewart are among the top.

that may sound a little weird, seeing as how he's an old, old-school actor
and i'm a jaded gen-x'er.  but i think everyone on here's a little weird,
right?  right.

anyway, it's a sad day, and i needed to write something.  maybe there's a
slim, slight chance that there are some other ig/jimmy stewart fans out
there...if so, write me back.  if not, sorry.  he was truly great, and he
was america, and he was kindness.  i cried like i lost a friend.

justin

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i am just wondering how much money you have raised for emily's b-day?
-stine-

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subject:      billie tipton memorial jazz quartet

hey !!!
i missed the billie tipton memorial jazz quartet before they left
seattle to go open for ig on the west coast.
i hear they are really good !!!!

whats the word from san diego and points south (and anywhere) ?
what are they like ? did they do good ? what do you think ?
it would seem ig pick opening bands that they really like so i wuz
wonderin'.

speaking of jazz, i picked up "coltrane at the village vanguard" ---
it's starting to grow on me ( it's very "busy" you know :)

later my beloved music mavens !
luv,
claire
"thatracerxhe'ssuchastrangemansometimesheactslikeafriend !!"
speeeeed racer

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subject:      eugene, or-april 4, 1997 boot??

hey all!
   i was at this show and really loved it, and i was talking with someone and
they said that someone on the list might have the boot to this show.  does
anyone?  i don't have _any_ boots to trade...but will send a blank
tape/postage of course!  i'd be so greatful to anyone who might share this
boot with me...it'll be the first in my collection :)
~jen

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i have the same t-shirt....pretty interesting, isn't it?  i remember
holding it up at the concert and really looking at it going, "what
the...?".

i keep thinking there is a deep dark hidden message a & e are sending...but
i don't get it!  :-(

i do wear it out in public, but not at places where i am wearing my
"responsible parent hat".  i've gotten different reposenses from wearing
it.  they range from "interesting shirt" w/ raised eyebrows to "why are you
wearing a shirt w/ a naked woman on it?"shock and horror!!!

anyone else?

peace,
jennifer


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hate me 'cos i'm different--hate me 'cos i'm gay.
truth of the matter come around one day
and it's alright.

~emily saliers

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at 09:14 pm 7/2/97 -0400, yankfan95 wrote:
>i am just wondering how much money you have raised for emily's b-day?
>-stine-

        good question stine!
deb, what is the total amount now raised for ms. salier's 34th birthday?

<drumroll, please.....>

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i think this name is really great.  i was just reading about the original
billy tipton trio in the book _vested interests_ by marjorie garber.
billy lived his whole life as a man, had this singing trio, was married
and had adopted children and then when he died, it turned out that billy
was a biological female.  his wife refused to believe it.

on wed, 2 jul 1997 mmedido@aol.com wrote:

> hey !!!
> i missed the billie tipton memorial jazz quartet before they left
> seattle to go open for ig on the west coast.
> i hear they are really good !!!!
>

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urma@juno.com

on wed, 2 jul 1997 21:14:50 -0400 (edt) yankfan95@aol.com writes:
>i am just wondering how much money you have raised for emily's b-day?
>-stine-
>

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hi everyone,
i just got back from atlanta pride and had a great time. i also am a
musician - i play trumpet and sax - and i played in the atlnata freedom
marching band at the parade.  i also play in the nyc lesbian and gay big
apple corps and i started my own band, unity marching band of l.i. i
used to compose classical music, but haven't gotttn around to it in the
last few years.
anyway, here's the boot info:

the boots are available for the madison square garden show, 6/3/97 and
the mercury lounge show, 6/2/97.  both are on 110 minute tapes and are
excellent quality.  some highlights:  joan jett sang crimson & clover
with ig at msg.  the mercury show included cortez the killer and
contains some fun dialogue.  at one point you will hear me say, "i want
my pen back."  that's because amy and emily signed something for my
friends with my pen (so of course i want my pen back!).

here's the boot tree for both tapes.  (please note:  for those of you on
the april tree, please wait a few days before replying - she's on
vacation.)

enjoy!

january:        susan    susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu
feb:            kathy    zmf36a@prodigy.com
march:          kirsten  kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu
april:          lisa     memememi@aol.com
may:            tigger   ndygoopg@aol.com
june            chris    guinione@aol.com
july:           jude     hunterj1@aol.com(please note that there is a                    number
one after hunterj, not an "l")
aug:            jan      jmontfort@vannet.k12.wa.us
sept:           mandi    mandi96@airmail.net
oct:            bon      bonster@bp05.u.washington.edu
nov.:           alexandra  aaogilvie@aol.com
dec:            lisa     nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu
canada:         robin    robin_squires@ymca.ca

thank you branches for your help.

take care,
donna

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i want to have a go at this too :))

not necessarily in this order:

1.  misguided angel (cowboy junkies)
2.  ghost
3.  blood and fire
4.  river (with joni baby)
5.  uncle john's band
6.  reunion
7.  come a long way (michelle shocked)
8.  tomorrow wendy (andy prieboy/concrete blonde)
9.  la vie en rose (edith piaf)
10 least complicated


encore:
touch me fall
galileo
closer to fine

god that was hard!!

indigo dreams
kirsti

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subject:      re: music & religion (nigc)

<<
in a message dated 97-07-01 18:47:21 edt, m feeney wrote:

>        weeeeeeeeeeell, speaking from the point of view of a former
>christian (now non-religous), i can tell you that christians tend to
>be verrrrry bible-oriented, and strictly so.  if it's not in obvious
>black and white there on the pages, then they don't generally believe
>in it.
  >>

i think this statement overgeneralizes just a bit. i am a christian, go to
church, teach bible studies, etc., but i am not a fundamentalist. there is a
big difference between believing that the bible is innerrant (what
fundamentalists generally believe and what the author is referring to) and
believing that the bible is inspired by god. i tend to fall into the latter
category, which means that i believe that any historical inaccuracies,
contradictions or confusion in the bible can be attributed to the human
nature of those who were inspired to set down those words. i also believe
that the bible, although sacred, is a reflection of the ancient culture from
which it was written and many laws, especially levitical holiness laws, are
not relevant to the era in which we live today. most of the christians i know
tend toward this philosopy, although fundamentalists generate so much smoke
and noise that they tend to get the most attention.

above all, being a christian means believing in the mission of jesus christ.
that message, imho, is a radical message of liberation, not of spiritual
enslavement.

peace,
karen
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"and what does god require of you? to act justly and to love mercy, and to
walk humbly with your god." micah 6: 8

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i was at the rock and roll hall of fame the other day, and in one of the
movies they had a clip of bono who said "i think the only really
interesting music is written by people running away from religion or
running towards religion.  those musicians who don't deal at all with
questions of higher powers or god really just don't interest me at all."

i thought this was sort of interesting and pertinent...

(btw - the rock hall really ought to mention indigo girls.  or maybe in
the "rock scenes" category include the acoustic atlanta music scene of
the early 90's along side motwon and new orleans and seattle and san
francisco)

love,
darren


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hi i don't know if this has been posted or if all you mm fans know this
already but i work at a news station and this came over the wires
tonight:  michelle malone's new album called beneath the devil moon will
be released by velvel records on july 15th...this is her first album
with velvel.  here is the igc---ig sings backround on "all my lifetime"
and emily sings backround on the title track "beneath the devil moon"
that's all that came over the wire, but i thought it was wonderful that
they mentioned ig--they also mentioned lillith fair and listed all her
tour dates with ig, lillith and solo... tricia

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here's the set-list from the first l.a. show.  this was an incredible show
- even better than the great san diego show yesterday.  the crowd - the
whole crowd - all the way back to the benches - was on its feet over and
over again.  amy and emily were really appreciative, the energy was high
and it felt special.   or i could be delusional...


1. mystery
2. 3 hits
3. get out the map
4. don't give that girl a gun
5. least complicated (that got _everybody_ up)
6. shame on you (and they stayed up...)
7. it's alright
8. shed your skin
9. virginia woolf
10. pushing the needle too far
11. redemption songs
12. leeds
13. tangled up in blue (!!! with michelle malone on harmonica)
14. hey kind friend
15. scooter boys + the sad eyed soldier part, a little different from the
night before
16. caramia
17. everything in its own time
18. chickenman - road manager (sorry, forget his name...) on harmonica.
emily did a few lines of something i didn't recognize - maybe for free.
19. galileo
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encore:
20. don't wanna know - with michelle malone
21. wild horses - with michelle malone
22. closer to fine - anyone know who the extra woman on stage was?

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this probably is too late but ig are scheduled to be on star 98.7 at 8am
tomorrow.

how the hell do they manage that?  it's gonna be all i can do to stagger
out of bed and press record.   they must never sleep...

wearily,

alison

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o.k., i wanna have a go on this , too.
here's my list:
1. thin line
2. power of two  ( as continuous lope....:))
3. tangled up in blue
4. shame on you
5. romeo and juliet
6. galileo
7. land of canaan
8. loves recovery
9. three hits
10.back together again

encore:
power of two   until the neighbors call the police or join in...:))
that would be so wonderful...and exactly the right kind of cheering
up for me right now.
iïd have to clean my room though and finnally get a new case of beer,
beck's beer that is, up.
  great thread  :)))
maike

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subject:      music/christians

hi, well, i couldn't not chime in here.   i think that we will be singing
in heaven--in fact, i think it is going to be one of our major things to
do there!  maybe all the time.  and music is one of the best ways for me
to pray/meditate/whatever--especially ig such as prince of darkness,
secure yourself, pretty much all of it.
c.s. lewis is the man.  i also recommend the space trilogy for anyone who
liked the narnia chronicles--it is definitely for adults but is so
beautifully written and has so much truth.  the books are called out of
the silent planet, perelandra, and that hideous strength.  i read them
for the first time when i was just being introduced to ig, and had kind
of a spiritual reawakening from both learning to really really love music
passionately and also learning the beauty of god again.
i'm sorry that christians have such a bad image to some people.  we are
told to preach the gospel to all nations, but i think that's because god
wants everyone to know god's love!

on a different note---i know i already asked but if anyone has tickets to
the columbus lilith fair i'd love you forever (and pay you too.).
see y'all later!
-beth

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fyi, the bitchin' grrls of veruca salt will be on the rosie show today!

-liz-

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> from: dbulla@po-box.mcgill.ca


> >but if you can't sing a lick or dance like a wounded chicken
> >or clap once out of rhythm i may ask you to stop.
>
>
> is this real?
> if so, i think this is very sad.
>
> deb

this 'standing at shows' is really a silly arguement because most people will do as they please or what they deem to be their right.   to answer the above, yes i've been given a black eye (hit right in the nose) from an elbow while they were dancing, at mostly outdoor venues i've moved away from people singing loud and out of key, and imagine a person sitting next to you clapping out-of-time.  these happened, some more than once except the eye thing.  aside from the person cracking me in the head who sat down feeling bad for me, i've lived with these people or moved to another location.  all-in-all in comes down to what ever you want, but remember other people have then the right to do as they please.  a ig show is a place for tolerance but also common courtesy.  i'm not on anyone's side in this arguement, i just don't want to see someone's show get ruined.  just an opinion, remember opinions are just that.


humbly,
marty

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some people are not as abled bodied as you and cannot stand. maybe you should
think and not be so self-absorbed in the priviledge you have.

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> from: vigil  garian arleta <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu>
>>
> >>so, after all of this, do as you
> please.<<
>
> i definitely will.  and no, i have never been the only one standing.
> since i am barely five feet tall, i am but for the will of the crowd.

i'm not trying to tell you not to, but to be prepared for what people may say or do to you, trying to exercise what they believe to be their right.  at my height, i also am at the will of the crowd. believe it or not the best situation for me is to have the crowd sit, i can see and hear.  if the crowd stands, i'm lost among the trees and can only hear, which is what i attend concerts for but it would be nice to see.
>
> all of the concerts i have ever been to have been so loud, i have never
> actually heard whether the person next to me could sing on key or not,
> btw.

i wish all the shows i've seen were that loud.  a number of outdoor venues need to pump up the volume in order to drown out the idle chatter and not so pretty singing.  moving to another location would sometimes solve the problem, if that were possible.

again humbly,
marty

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hi cheesefans (copping a quote from the beautiful susie b),
i'm going to portland, or in august and i am dying to know what concerts
will be going on when i'm there, and if any intrepid soul is having a
listparty that i can come to!!!  :-)  i'll be traipsing around oregon with
a friend from the 5th through the 10th, and then in portland after that
until the 18th.  i also want to fly or train down to sf for a day or two
(finally!!!) to see a good buddy down there.  so anyway, email me about
stuff you brilliant and organized listees know...thanks kfs!

i think amy and emily are religious, and i get very annoyed at the songs
with christian stuff in them (ie "123" "wood song" etc), but i was
relieved to hear amy say somehting about not really being a "christian" in
the historical sense of the word.  i guess i'm skirting the edge of their
private life so i'm going to stop, but when it gets evidenced in the music
i get very pissy.  this is not to say that anyone on the list who is a
christian would annoy me, or that being a christian is wrong (to quote my
friend elizabeth, "not everything about christianity is evil!"), but to
say that i've had more than enough of it in my life.  and i'm so tired of
this stupid country using christianity to justify capitalism, oppression,
etc.  blech!  surely whatever historical christ there was would not
appreciate the united states.

oops i'm ranting (could it be the rapid approach of "independence" day
that is pissing me off?  hm, i wonder....). anyway, i think it's really
good to have a belief that leads one to become gentler, kinder, more
loving to oneself, other people, and th planet.  it is not good to have a
belief--in christ, in 12 steps, in crystals, in whatever--that leads one
to treat other people and the planet poorly, or to believe that this is
the only way to be a "good" person.

of course, those of us who believe in the salvation power of organic
non-rbgh cheese are correct.  the rest of you must become cheeseheads
immediately or risk losing your hall pass to heaven! (right, susie?)

**kirsten c., please send me your address, i actually found the tapes,
hurray, and they even have postage on 'em, just waiting for the address
which i somehow deleted...**

off to breakfast.  did you know a rant before breakfast makes the rest of
the day so much calmer and happier??

rock on, kfs!  don't forget, the new dar williams album is due out july
15.  the new songs i've heard in concert are so awesome!  and that ends my
plug for dar, for today anyway...

luv,
suzi
cheese- and dar-head extraordinaire

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what does it say on the right and the left? i can't make it out what it
says..

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i sent the following in april, after the unh concert on the acoustic college
tour, and i still think it is the answer:

a lurker sticks her head up...

while i was putting stuff away last night, including a pile of t-shirts topped
by the new ig black one, with "interesting nature scene," a thought struck me.
this current tour is _just_  amy and emily (not counting opening act).  amy and
emily alone on stage.  without back up musicians.  naked of back up musicians.
buck naked of back up musicians...buck naked....

if they use the same shirt this summer, i'll have to re-think it, but that buck
and that mannequin (even if those are underpants like they look on my shirt)
sure say "buck" "naked" (intentionally separated) to me...

wendy palmquist

(and they are not using the same shirt on the summer tour now, so i stand by my
interpretation!)

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at 08:19 pm 7/2/97 -0700, you wrote:
>at 09:14 pm 7/2/97 -0400, yankfan95 wrote:
>>i am just wondering how much money you have raised for emily's b-day?
>>-stine-
>
>        good question stine!
> deb, what is the total amount now raised for ms. salier's 34th birthday?
>
><drumroll, please.....>

i'll do an official count later today, but at last check we were just shy of
$1400! common folks, can we get to $2000???

deb

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jennifer wrote
>i keep thinking there is a deep dark hidden message a & e are sending...but
>i don't get it!  :-(
oh yeah...the buck-naked shirt...got one too...any other meaning escapes
me...but it is good for raising eyebrows ;)
wendy wrote
>(and they are not using the same shirt on the summer tour now, so i stand
>by my
>interpretation!)
gee but i  bought my on the summer tour ...wolf-trap...maybe they ran out
of them

marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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subject:      opening set list

along with the gipsy kings song played at the end concerts,
i noticed, at the three shows i attened (cuyahoga, kettering, pine knob)
the same set of songs were played before the girls came out.

did anyone happen to take note of the songs?
if anyone has a list or remembers one or two of the songs
please e-mail me.

thanks
kelly

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hi all,

quiet on the list of late. everyone having a lot of summer fun????

i just wanted to remind the people who received my free cassette that
you all promised a review, and so far, only one person has said anything
(thanks kira!). i'm not trying to rush ya, i'm just anxious! :p

also, (sorry to waste bw), someone out there owes me for a tape i sent,
and they never sent me the money (you know who you are).

thanks,
suzanne

http://www.suzanneglass.com

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hey y'all...
just thought i'd tap a lil' ol post to say that <ringing of bells... banging
of drums... stripping off of clothes and running madly thru the steets in
celebration> ( <--- followed by phoning any of my friends + family who will
*still* talk to me after i embarrassed them so + asking please please please
will they post bail??? ):-) i saw the soy video on canada's very own cmt
yesterday!!!!!!! wooo-hooo!!! i aint never seen it... twas a cool
experience. see i was at my friend's place cooking up a lasagna for her
family cause she's very ill + the family's had some bad personal news...
anyhoo, she was laying on the couch flicking thru channels cause she gots
that channel surfin' thumb, and all of a sudden she starts callin' me all in
a panic like... so i went runnin in, thinkin' she was in trouble again +
nope <grin> she was jest callin me cause she fluked onto the soy video in
process of flicking from oprah to the news to cartoons to... well.. you get
the picture:-) she jest knows how much i loves my ig... even is gonna go to
a the concert at the pier with me... she's oh so very nearly converted and
once she sees 'em ( geez... am' too lol ) live, she'll be way hooked. lol.
so that's my squishy lil' ig moment... it's nice to share...
peace all, kim ( goddess o' lasagna )


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the flesh is strong the spirit stronger, so shed your
skin baby, let it through... comeonovernow!!!!... amy ray
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well fellow listees and musicians.....

despite some intense interest in this cd project by a few people, no one
else has really expressed anything.

i personally think it is do-able, i have the facilities to accomplish
this, but we gotta have a few more people interested.

so once more:

musicians: would you like to be on your own cd covering an ig song???
it's free if you can travel to indiana for a couple days to record.

listees: would you guys buy a copy of this cd if it happens? it would
cost me out of pocket to press it, so i would have to be reasonably sure
i could sell a few to recoup.

please reply with some sort of opinion. i would love to see this move
forward, and i bet we have some really talented people who would cover
ig songs. but there's no point if there's not enough people.

peace,
suz

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hey kind friends...
my apologies for wasting bandwidth, but i am in desparate need of a new
apartment in manhattan.  i'm looking for a one or 2 bedroom preferably
below 42 st. for around $1400.  if any one knows someone who knows someone,
etc. please let me know!!
thanks,
stephen
p.s.  you cabn e-mail me at smcgill@earthlink.net

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subject:      indicated update

in the past few days there have been enough posts concerning this project for
a list member to be utterly confused, so i have decided to repost my original
instructions for indicated as well as elaborate on a few more details.

first of all the following people have expressed interest in this project
kirsten
andi
anna
greg
krista
carrie
neil
tracey

...and actually, i don't have all that many repeats!  it's great to see so
many people interested in this, keep the responses coming!

i also feel i should elaborate on the deal concerning repeats...we can have
more than one cover of a song on the cassette, as well as multiple recordings
by the same artist.  everyone who contributes will be on the cassette,
however i cannot guarantee that everyone of the contributors songs will be
found on there, so please rank your songs in order of preference, in the case
that any need to be cut. (which most of ya'll have done--thanks again!)

as of now, a deadline has not been established. i am planning on waiting
until everyone has had ample time to submit their requests before
establishing a deadline. right now i estimate that it will be some time in
september (probably near the close of the month) but that is only a
hypothesis...

this project is not to be confused with that of suzanne, who is asking that
musicians come to her studio to record a cd.  this is an excellent
opportunity, and if the project flies, i would encourage everyone (especially
ya'll in indiana or surrounding states) to take advantage of it!

here's the original information if anyone missed it!  thanks! celeste


>>anyone who wants to contribute should first email me with the song(s) they
propose to cover, in order to avoid repeats, songs will come on a first come
first serve basis and i will post them to the list at regular
intervals...well, certainly we can have repeats, just not 501 closer to
fines, ya know..also, so i know how many songs/artists i have in order to
choose the correct length (60/90/120) of tape

after receiving my confirmation, play away...be creative, interpret the songs
individually (i do a neat rendition of kid fears...solo...it causes me quite
an idenity crisis...am i amy, emily, michael...or michael, amy, emily??)
recordings need not be professionally done, just try and keep fuzz, backround
noise, and the like to a minimum

everyone who contributes will receive a free tape, no strings attached (yes,
i have many blank tapes lurking in my room) the rest will be available via
trading of boots and the like (i don't have it in my heart to charge!)

i have a couple list members who offered me some help with this, if anyone
else wants to contribute, feel free to contact me

otherwise, thanks ya'll--happy composing!

celeste>>

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                      subject:                              time:
12:28 pm
  office memo         nigc - happy 4th & thanks...          date:
7/3/97

whoever made the post for the 'all over me' soundtrack - good call!
i ran over to virgin record stores the yesterday and swiped the last
one.
thanks for the post.
also, happy 4th of july, everbody.  i plan to see me'shell n'dgeoello
(o gosh, what horrific spelling) for free at the summer stage concert
here in nyc.  woo hoo!  hopefully i'll get to indulge myself in bbq
and lots'o'potato salad...or maybe just dim sum and steamed fish.
later,
c

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subject:      re: ig - religious

amy has said she is a "pagan for jesus."

check out the article at <a href="http://monsterbit.com/stammer/may/story2.htm
l">http://monsterbit.com/stammer/may/story2.html</a>

also, i am desperately seeking tickets for lilithfair at jones beach on july
25.  if anyone could help me out, i would be eternally grateful.

erica

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for all of you living in the sf bay area, kfog radio (97.7 and 104.5)
is having another ticket give-away, this time for saturday's ig-show.

see the following forwarded email for further details:

>kfog's giving away pairs of tickets to saturday's ig show during
>annalisa's afternoon shift (she's doing the afternoon shift from 3-7
>instead of her usual mid-day shift).  they will be giving away pairs
>in the 5th, 4th, 3rd, 2nd, and 1st rows!
>
>i have no idea at what exact time they will be doing this.  also, if
>it's anything like what they've done in the past with other progressive
>give-aways, they may ask specific ig questions.  so, brush up on your
>faq!    fyi, the studio phone # is 1-800-300-kfog (-5364).

john miller  <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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   "i like you well enough, but your bass-player is the love of my life.
    when i see her, my teeth itch, my hair hurts... and i must have her!"

   (note from fan about sara lee, who played with ani difranco last year,
     read by ani difranco during san francisco 'maritime' show 27 june 96)
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from:         emily monteer <emma221@aol.com>
subject:      dar williams quest.  (nigc)

hey kind friends..
      i know this is the ig list, not the dar list, but i also know a lot of
you are fans of both.  so, here's my question: what is a good first dar cd to
get?  i have heard a lot about this woman recently and decieded it's time to
give her a try.
peace and thank you for all your help,
em

private email responces please
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i received the following from a friend who can no longer use all
the indigo tickets she purchased for this weekend's berkeley shows.

if interested, contact her directly at: <rla@townsend.com>

  >date: wed, 02 jul 1997 15:14:08 -0700
  >from: "rhondda l. ashby" <rla@townsend.com>
  >
  >i have 1 extra reserved seat for saturday's show - i think it's in
  >section e, row 4 (but i'm not positive that's the correct row) - and an
  >extra pair for sunday's show - section d, row 7 (again, not sure of the
  >row).  i can confirm the location of these seats tomorrow.
  >
  >$35 each + bass charges (about $5).
  >
  >anyone who's interested can contact me directly at my email address.

john miller  <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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>for all of you living in the sf bay area, kfog radio (97.7 and 104.5)
>is having another ticket give-away, this time for saturday's ig-show.

alice (97.3) is also giving away free tickets to saturday's show.  they'll
be giving them away once an hour all day long according to their morning
broadcast.  i don't have the phone number, but i would recommend checking
out their web site on www.goplay.com.  they've been playing lots of them
lately, so it's worth a listen.

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hi all,

okay, i'm curious enough that even though i'm broke, i'm about to break
down and buy a mm album.  i've heard her play with amy & emily any number
of times, and y'all keep talking about her upcoming new album...  and do i
also remember amy plugging one for her last year at newport?  (or maybe
i was hallucinating...)  i know there's band de soleil too...  can some
kind soul tell me what's out there, and what some of it is like, so i can
figure out what to get?

also, here's my _little_ bit of igc:  just gotta add to the religion
people's discussion, i _love_ all the little biblical references in their
songs!  call it religion, call it literature, call it mythology, but bible
stories, especially ones from the old testament, are some of the most
often alluded-to sources by all kinds of artists, writers, lyricists, you
name it.  along with various fables and mythologies, the bible falls into
that category of things-that-most-people-have-been-exposed-to-at-some
point-and-would-probably-recognize-a-reference-to.  so i really doubt amy
and emily are trying to convert us all.  i just think that good
songwriting can involve showing us something we've heard of and can maybe
identify with, to get a point across better, you know

this message brought to you by a student of comparative religions &
mythologies who thinks she's some form of atheist jewish buddhist taoist,
and who finds most of her spirituality through music, when she's not busy
studying neuroanatomy.


so long, i'm a pillar of salt, baby...

deb the indigeek :)

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from:         yougfemme@aol.com
subject:      re: tour t-shirt
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i got that shirt and i ended up hating it so i threw it out

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i couldn't help but add to this thread-- this is a fairly long set, but
hey, it's my dream.

(in this order)
1. shame on you
2. least complicated
3. touch me fall
4. hammer and nail
5. secure yourself
6. get out the map
7. fugitive
8. mystery
9. joking
10. prince of darkness
11. dead man's hill
12. galileo
13. world falls
14. power of two.
15. kid fears (w/ michael stipe who happens to be in the area)
16. ghost
encore: closer to fine (of course)


khw

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subject:      re: san diego report

in a message dated 97-07-03 03:52:47 edt, you write:

<< 20. scooter boys - with the additional "sad eyed soldiers" part >>

i thought it was "slaughtered soldiers"....

~liz~

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just another reminder that those 2  general admission tickets for saturday
are still available for $27 apiece. i also forgot to mention i have one
extra reserved seat available for sunday ($40). a friend of mine bailed out
after i purchased the tickets, hence the extra seat for sunday.

please e or call (510) 547-7288 if you're interested.

thanks,
karen

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from:         trant batey <twb@zycor.lgc.com>
subject:      nigc: message to robyn <coop43@aol.com>

sorry for the bandwidth,

i'm trying to respond to a message from robyn <coop43@aol.com> regarding
the ppv special. but, appearently i am unable to post to that address.
anyway, robyn, please have a friend email me and we will relay message
back and forth via your friend.

thanks for your patients,

trant

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from:         beth birkholz <bethbirk@juno.com>
subject:      amy and emily's stereos

sorry if this has already been on here, but i was reading rolling stone
(june 12) and saw this cool thingie:

where is your favorite stereo?
amy:  car (toyota 4-runner)     emily: home
what brand is it?
a: toyota factory model e: sonus faber speakers, meridian 508 cd
player,                         counterpoint sa-1000 preamp, classe
ca-200 amp
how much money did you drop?
a: no idea.             e: around 10 k.
what is most important to you when buying a stereo?
a: good, low mids, analog control       e: getting full spectrum of
sound at low and
                                high volumes
what type of music sounds best on your stereo?
a: rage against the machine     e: everything
how old were you when you got your first stereo? what kind was it?
a: 8 or 9. radio shack clock radio      e: 8 or 9, an emerson turntable
are you bass heavy?
a: yes.                 e: no.
what's the biggest stereo "don't?"
a: don't buy a stereo for looks e: too much bass or high-end
what drives you crazy about other people's stereos?
a: too much high-end    e: too much bass or high-end
i play my stereo at a volume that would:
a: cause significant seismic movements in the earth's crust.
e: break glass.


enjoy!!! i thought this was a cool illustration of their different
personalities in harmony.
or something.
see y'all!
peace,
beth

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subject:      my friend and his damned good luck

ahhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  (that's all i can say right now)

well, maybe i can say some more.

ok, i just got off the phone with my friend who was at the msg show (i was
too but wasn't sitting with him) who had gotten great seats b/c he knows
their producer-person from epic.  anyway, he informed me that after the show
the guy from epic came up to him and handed him tickets to the hard rock live
taping.  (that was the first "oh my god" from me...)  he said that he
couldn't make it, but he had given the tickets to his parents and his sister
who met the girls afterwards!!!!  and his little sister who's like 11 yrs old
was chatting with amy and emily for a long time and telling them jokes and
laughing with them!!!!!!  ahhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!  i was about to die at
this point when he said that they took all these pictures and got autographs
and i was like "you are making me copies of all those pictures, do you
understand???"  i think he was a little scared of me :)

sorry if this made no sense, i am way too excited to say anything coherent
right now.  i just had to tell someone. (or maybe a few thousand
someones...hehe)

~liz~  who also got her boots from tigger today and sends out a big "thank
you!"

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from:         diane j chin <ribbit9@juno.com>
subject:      singers and lyrics and tigers, oh my!

        ok, no actual tigers, but seriously...
        i saw kid fears on the setlist for the san diego show; i've never
heard it in concert before (forgive me; i'm young, only been to one so
far, godly as it may have been) ... i'm a lso a huge rem/michael stipe
fan-- how'd they fill in the gap with out him (tell me he was there and
i'l die of coronary failure right here and now) in the whole bridge
section?
        also, regarding the hey kind friend "it's so hard" bit, all
amphibians aside, i quoted the whole song on a letter to a really good
friend at the end of this school year just before graduating who, chances
are i won't see again, making the lyric in general just soooo appropriate
(many thanks to its maker), and (all digressions aside as well) i quoted
that line - albeit with not lack of uncertainty - "it's so hard when it
all happens at once, and it's still in the way," which i know doesn't
make all that much sense either, but hey.
        incidentally, this would be my list-virginity breaking post, and
i'd just like to say a big hi, and a thanks y'all for one of the best
lists i've run into (albeit a little lengthy... good thing i'm on summer
break or i'd never get through it all every day)
                                        -diane.
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    happy graduation, everybody! good luck, & keep in touch!
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subject:      bezerkley shows

hiya. i'm going to be taking bart up to the city early and i was wondering
how early should i be at the gates? what time do the gates open? how early do
i need to be there to get terrific seats? i have never ever done this before
and need lots o suggestions. where are the best seats? on sunday i am going
with people who will need to sit down so for that day i need good seats for
sitting and standing but on sat. friends and i want to stand up and dance.
are there different areas that would be good for both those situations? my
excitement is starting to take on that neurotic and anxious tinge. only 2
days  2 hrs. and 40 minutes. ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!


-catherine
(who is trying her best to remain calm, really. . . )

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subject:      re: listees who are musicians...
x-to:         suzanneglass@geocities.com

that would be me....well, sorta...sometimes...well, maybe not
really......ok, so only in my dreams...(actually i do write/compose, but
i'm kinda shy about it....)
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relating to the gainesville town line from soy,
labor activism--delete now if you're not interested...

>date: tue, 1 jul 1997 18:28:06 -0700 (pdt)
>from: mike rhodes <clr2@igc.apc.org>
>subject: pressure needed in support of poultry industry investigation
>sender: clr2@igc.org
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>labor alerts/labor news
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>action alert: pressure needed in support of poultry industry
>investigation
>
>summary:  secretary of labor alexis herman has been receiving
>political pressure not to follow through with the department of
>labor's promises to investigate the poultry industry. the poultry
>workers' justice project of the national interfaith committee for
>worker justice is asking for letters urging herman to fulfill the
>promises made by the labor department last year.
>
>background:  the poultry workers' justice project is a campaign of the
>national interfaith committee for worker justice (nicwj) focused on
>improving working conditions, worker rights, and worker pay for
>employees of poultry plants. the code of ethics released by the nicwj
>on january 23 states that: "poultry companies should treat workers
>with respect, pay a living wage, provide fair benefits, ensure safety
>on the job, guarantee workers' right to organize without fear and
>negotiate in good faith with workers' elected representatives.
>companies that recruit immigrant workers should assist those
>immigrants with their transition into a new community and country."
>
>the principle campaign focus of the nicwj is the workers' struggle at
>the case farms poultry processing plants in morgantown, north
>carolina, and winesburg, ohio. most of the workers in the morgantown
>plant are from guatemala. in july of 1995, morgantown workers voted to
>be represented by the laborers international union of north america,
>but case farms has been unwilling to cooperate and the workers do not
>yet have a contract.
>
>the department of labor under secretary robert reich agreed in
>november to investigate the poultry industry this spring, but the
>department is currently being pressured to hold off on its
>investigation.  this could further delay agreement on a contract at
>the morgantown, case farms plant. nine southern senators sent a joint
>letter to alexis herman, secretary of labor for the dol, urging her to
>not proceed with the promised investigation.
>
>in an effort to apply positive pressure and encourage the
>investigation of the poultry industry, kim bobo, director of nicwj, is
>asking concerned individuals to write letters to alexis herman. the
>letters should address the need for worker rights and sanitary
>conditions in the poultry plants and urge herman to immediately follow
>through with the department of labor's promise to investigate the
>poultry industry.
>
>letters can be sent to:
>
>alexis herman, secretary of labor
>
>department of labor
>200 constitution ave. nw
>washington, dc 20212
>
>[case farms workers held a rally on july 12 in morgantown, nc, to
>celebrate two years of organizing and to emphasize the continuing
>need to negotiate a contract. speakers at the rally will be baldemar
>velasquez, linda chavez, and bishop jess dewitt.]
>
>for more information about the nicwj, their poultry workers' justice
>project, and the case farms campaign, please contact the nicwj at 1607
>w. howard, suite 218, chicago, il 60626; phone: (773) 381-3345; or
>fax: (773) 381-2832.
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from:         kathy breheny <bluecuervo@aol.com>
subject:      subject: re: standing at a show

i know there is this big controversy going on about standing up a ig shows,
probably any show for that matter. all i have to say is that if i love the
musician(s) i just can"t sit down! i've got to be up, moving, singing,
involved! total attention. heck, i'm paying to see a band because i love
them, i want them to know i'm enjoying what they're doing. especially true
for the indigo girls, mellencamp, melissa, and alanis!

don't think of it as paying for a seat, think of it as paying for space. my
best memories are of concerts that everyone stood through. most recent
examples are ig at pnc, and mellencamp at msgt (the only time anyone sat down
at that one was for human wheels).

however, i have been at events where extremely tall people (or people with
big, big hair :>) are usually seated right in front of my girlfriend (the
rosie show, a christmas carol, and wizard of oz (yeah, i live in new york)
come to mind.) and i understand how frustrating it can be. so, i would have
to respect others opinions if they were very upset about standing and having
their views blocked.

remember, we go to such events to enjoy ourselves. to unwind and relax.
nothing is worse than getting upset. it ruins the whole day!

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subject:      re: michelle malone question, and religion... (little igc)
x-to:         alexand6@jeflin.tju.edu

if you can find "relentless," which is no longer in print as far as i
know, by michelle malone and drag the river you will have the best thing
that michelle malone has ever done, as far as i am concerned.  depending
on where you live, you may be able to find it in a place that has used
cds.  if you have no luck finding this, i would be happy to make you or
anyone else a copy of it.  all i ask is that you send me a blank tape.
email me for more info.
kim
flamingjune@juno.com

hi sharon!!!!   :)

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subject:      re: standing at a show (was dallas show!!)

in a message dated 97-07-03 08:35:25 edt, someone writes:

<< some people are not as abled bodied as you and cannot stand. maybe you
should
think and not be so self-absorbed in the priviledge you have.
  >>


i believe this particular subject was addressed in the original post?
correct me if i'm wrong.

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
   member - ssim yknib naf bulc
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subject:      attn: john miller

sorry to waste bw here, but john, i've tried emailing you twice and mr.
daemon keeps throwing it back in my face. we will be meeting at jupiter on
shattuck ave. on sunday after the berkeley show. hope to see you!

karen

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>listees: would you guys buy a copy of this cd if it happens?


i would buy a copy. :)

kim

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subject:      standing at shows

well, here's my opinion. i'm 5'1" and a half. that's pretty damn short. so
most of the times i've seen conerts of any kind(and that's a lot), i've
rarely seen the band. i've seen most shows at places where there is no
seating, so i didn't have much of a choice as to the standing issue. but even
at venues with seats- i've fully liked it when people stood up. yes, it
blocked my view to some extent, but if the band is good, i don't want to be
the only one up and dancing.

and i also take amy and emily's opinion on the matter. the first tiem i saw
them, it was at radio city music hall here in new york city. every one was
sitting down, and i was just dying to get up and dance, but the place was so
stuck-up that i felt uncomfortable. but then the girls said "if y'all don't
get up and dance, we're going to leave" or something to that effect. that
settled it for me.

for a lot of people, dancing is part of the enjoyment. i don't begrudge
people taller than me at concerts any more than i do normally. stupid
drunk/high people who can't stand up straight, and yucky people who think
dancing next to me is a good excuse to cop a feel are another story
altogether.

that's my $.02. not very coherent, i'm afraid. i'm pretty exhausted.

sari

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you threw away an indigo girl shirt.  i would have taken it off your hands.
what a waste of money.
-stine-

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sorry for that wasting that bw thing but...

i really need to talk with andi lipman, hey, the subject line says it all.
so please mail me andi.

love me(angie)

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kim b. wrote:

    hi everyone, just had something i wanted to ad to this...
>
> if you can find "relentless," which is no longer in print as far as i
> know, by michelle malone and drag the river you will have the best thing
> that michelle malone has ever done, as far as i am concerned.

      i would have to say i also think that the band de soleil cd is
great! :)

> depending on where you live, you may be able to find it in a place that has > used cds.

      this is good advice, i got a used copy for my girlfriend this
way.  i also wanted to say, if you'd settle for a tape (and a cheap one,
at that), i often see the "relentless" release in those <sale> bins at
camelot... if you want an immediate thing... try looking there.  i've
noticed they've got the first ejs release on tape from time to time
too... just so y'all know!

   that's about it!
        twink! ;-)

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i had only one dream about the indigo girls and that was two days before i
saw them in newport rhode island at the folk festival.  the dream was: i was
on the streets of newport and i saw amy in a window writing.  i went up
stairs to talk with her and she chased me away b/c i distrub her thoughts.
than i started to cry b/c my idol yelled at me so i went into this cafe
where all my friends were meeting me but my friends weren't there.  emily was
there and she talked with me for awhile and bought me i remeber so clearly a
cafe aulait(my fav) and told me to raise my hand at the festival when they
played tried to be true. and that was it.  the wierd things is that the place
in my dream wher i saw amy writing in the window is really a place. it isn't
an inn but a store with a sign that has someone writing by candle light on
it.  i took one look at it two days later when in newport and had a shit fit.
and to my surprise there was a cafe right next door to this store.  how
wierd!  than i went to the folk festival and the first song was tried to be
true.  i know it was only a dream but i raised my hand at the first sound of
the song.  it was too coincidental for me. mind you that i have been to
newport before but it was when i was ten and i was 18 than.  i must have a
good memory or crazy insight.  hehehe

have a nice night.
-stine-

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i heard from someone who played pool with amy & emily in a hotel once (long
story) that amy drinks amstel light, and emily drinks manhattens.

hope this helps - personally it does me no good, they won't sell it to me
anyway, something about my birthdate..... oh well.....

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
   -   novitiate of suzanneglassism
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
can you show me now that i will not be killed in vain,
show me just a little of your omnipresent brain!
show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die,
you're far too keen on where and when and not so hot on why!
-amy as jesus, "the garden of gethsemane"
from jesus christ super-star: a resurrection
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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here's the set list from the second l.a. show.  it seemed like they got to
galileo awfully quickly tonight, but they were in a good mood right from
the beginning, kept saying how great the crowd was and there were
incredible versions of songs - tangled up in blue was especially good
tonight and cut it out was incredible.

bay area - here they come! enjoy them!

1. thin line
2. power of two
3. shame on you
4. caramia
5. don't give that girl a gun
6. get out the map
7. tried to be true
8. least complicated
9. scooter boys - without extra part
10. leeds
11. redemption songs
12. land of canaan
13. prince of darkness
14. shed your skin (with the billy tipton mem. jazz quartet accompanying)
15. it's alright
16. cut it out - with extra part.  blistering
17. galileo
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encore:
18. everything in its own time
19. guest appearance by someone whose name i couldn't properly hear -
vanda shepherd? wanda? rhonda?  she did a song of hers called something
like the wildest time in the world.  i guess my ears were shot by this point.
she's apparently a favorite singer of emily's, who said "i love her"
after the song was over.
20. tangled up in blue - with um, dave ellison (the manager) on
harmonica.
21. closer to fine - with everyone, including sully.

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i'm not sure where i am on the subject of amy and emily becoming super
mega hits, but if they did, by far the coolest result of that would be
seeing a&e appear on the simpsons.  it would be so great!
just wanted to share that thought.
betcha amy would break less strings if she only had 4 fingers.

*****************************
i want a party with rooms full of laughter, 10,000 tons of ice cream
and if i don't get the things that i'm after i'm going to scream...
*****gwen keyt, rn, bsn******
now at gkeyt@juno.com
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hi,

it looks like i'm going to red rocks.  i'll get into
denver on wednsday night and i know morrison is about
15 miles from that.

is anyone familiar with the area?  are there affordible
accomidations in morrison or should i stay in denver?

anyone experienced with "doing" red rocks?  i would be
greatly appreciative and will give a tape of the shows.

thanks, tt

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yo people,

i have come across 10 "tanner's" shot glasses, and will be willing to part
with all of them. how many of you "die-hards" and super-fans out there
would care to trade for these?no offer too small!

stoka

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hello all.

anyone going to red rocks on july 17 thinking about booting????

i ask because michelle malone is opening for ig and i for one would love
a boot of her.

so, please let me know...please, please...........i will not offer my
first born as he is way to much fun to part with ( he's my little ctf
boy, and his version of gotm is to die for) but i'm sure i could think
of something to trade.....

please consider (think of it as a mercy mission for a poor australian
gal who gets to see mm maybe once in a lifetime......)

penelope

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subject:      re: standing at shows

i'm unlurking for this one <g>
   i know lots of people want to get up and dance around-- which is fine...
but there is a time and a place.   when i saw em at msg i had someone with
big hair in front of me dancing like a loony during "ghost", my favorite,
kinda killed it for me.
  i personally have more fun sitting and listening to a concert.. the last
few songs inspire me to get up and dance around for the most part.. i hated
every moment of the msg show, couldn't hear or see the girls from where i was
sitting.  actually had to lean over and ask my so if they were still playing
more then once.. the people screaming the words to the songs killed it for
me... it *wasn't* the first time i've seen the girls, just was the first time
i left kinda disappointed.. the big arena with terrible sound didn't help i
guess.
   just my opinion, but if you really need to dance during the slower tunes
too, why not get a seat all the way in the back where ya wouldnt bug the
people behind ya?...:

hope i didn't offend anyone.. a bad indigo girls concert is still better then
a good day doing *anything* else.

::turns her lurk mode back on:::

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i decided recently that i was going to make recordings of the stories i
wrote, right after writing them, because i've noticed that when i do
readings the sound always seems to change.

so last night i popped a tape in and read aloud the story i'd just
finished.  i stumbled over some of the words so i tried it three times,
and there are parts of the second two i like but no matter how many more
times i read it none comes close emotionally to that first read.

and it got me wondering in general about performance, and making words
mean something when you repeat them over and over, but it also got me
wondering about that first time.  since i know a lot of you write and
sing/read your own stuff, i thought i'd ask....when does the piece tend to
have the most emotion for you, sound the closest to that "ideal" of
feeling how you imagined it sounding when you wrote it, emotions most
closely matched to those in the words?  do you feel it often, or is the
writing cathartic enough that you rely on something different when you
sing than when you write to evoke that response in others?

might as well reply to the list--i think we've got enough people who
would be interested in a discussion. :)


happy fourth y'all,
audrey

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i guess you could accuse me of lying in the header of my last post.
where's the indigo girls content? some of you probably asked, and if you
started out in a somewhat bitter mood maybe that just enhanced it.  i
could just let it go, not take up this bandwidth, or i could make up some
explanation of how there *is* igc in the post and make my english
teachers proud, but i think i'll let robert fulghum speak because he said
it well on page 215 of _it was on fire when i lay down on it_:

"do you ever go off with a long grocery list and come home from the store
with a bunch of different stuff?  and somebody in the family unsacks the
groceries and wants to know why you got this and didn't get that and just
where is the whatever?  and you want to say, 'well, just be glad i came
back, okay?'  and the unpacker says, 'well, next time bring what's on

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i guess you could accuse me of lying in the header of my last post.
where's the indigo girls content? some of you probably asked, and if you
started out in a somewhat bitter mood maybe that just enhanced it.  i
could just let it go, not take up this bandwidth, or i could make up some
explanation of how there *is* igc in the post and make my english
teachers proud, but i think i'll let robert fulghum speak because he said
it well on page 215 of _it was on fire when i lay down on it_:

"do you ever go off with a long grocery list and come home from the store
with a bunch of different stuff?  and somebody in the family unsacks the
groceries and wants to know why you got this and didn't get that and just
where is the whatever?  and you want to say, 'well, just be glad i came
back, okay?'  and the unpacker says, 'well, next time bring what's on the
list."

soooooo, next time i'll try again for some igc, and for now i'll give you
a bit o' emily saliers content:

emily saliers fnarkin rocks, so send in your bucks to billings house (c/o
deb reiser) and your messages c/o mandi to let our favorite emily know
how much you care!!!


love y'all,
audrey

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so hear it is, the morning of the 4th, and i am waking up to vh-1....and
they are doing the history of rock and roll from a-z....

well, on comes the b-52's "love shack."

forgive me for not being a total sara lee junkie ;), but, uh, did you guys
know she is in that video?  i sat there, semi-awake, and went, "is that
sara lee playing bass?"  then they did a closeup of her, and under all
that ragin late 80's makeup and the typical b-52's clothes (i love the
b-52's btw) it was!!!

now, if i am wrong, i stand corrected.  but i am 99.9% sure it was her.
and i figured with all of them being from atlanta, etc. that it could be
no one else.  ;)

anyone with info, please post!

peace, love and ig-
happy 4th, y'all!!

karrie

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hello all,

        sorry to keep on about this, but i haven't
had any luck finding a dallas boot yet.  so i guess
i will plead for any texas show boot.  if you can help
please e-mail me.  i'm starting to have ig dt's.

peace,
cindy

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subject:      2nd la show review & setlist

another good ig show!  i saw the greek theatre show in la
on july 3rd.  the opening act was called the billy
tipton memorial quartet and it featured barbara marino
who palyed sax on the "back on the bus y'all" album.  they
were pretty good if you like jazz saxophone.  then ig came
out to a standing ovation.  does anyone walk like amy ray?
at first you saw a group of technicians just off stage but when
amy strutted forward, we knew the show was starting.  the show
featured a guest turn by singer vonda shepard.

the setlist:

thin line
power of two
shame on you
caramia
don't give that girl a gun
get out the map
tried to be true
least complicated
scooter boys
leeds (just emily on piano)
redemption song (just emily on piano/amy on guitar)
land of canaan
prince of darkness
shed your skin
it's alright
cut it out
galileo

encore

everything in its own time
wildest time of the world (vonda shepard song performed solo)
tangled up in blue
closer to fine

fashion report, amy wore light denim pants with no holes,
and a blue button down shirt.  emily wore green multi-colored
pants and a greet oversized button down shirt.  the remption
song as i called it was a tune i'd never heard before and i'd love
to have it on an album; it was a beautiful amy song about politics
and sin.  speaking of amy, i finally saw it happen live, during
"don't
give that girl a gun" and "land of canaan" she broke a string
on her black guitar.  she was really upset during "don't give that
girl a gun," she sighed afterward that she was "glad she got that
out."  early in the show emily said the show was going to be intimate,

like a "family in a living room," and amy said a "loud family,"
and emily finished "a loud los angeles family."  the crowd cheered.

the la crowds always get into the shows and they really got into
this one.  the only rough spot was during "tried to be true,"
amy didn't sing the last line of the chorus because she expected
the crowd to chime in, but when she cued us, silence!  we eventually
got into it, but afterward an embarrassed amy said "thanks for
singing."
emily did a great solo turn on piano during '"leeds."  vonda shepard
also sang her song very well.  all in all, quite a show!!

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>when does the piece tend to have the most emotion for you, sound the closest to that >"ideal" of feeling how you imagined it sounding when you wrote it, emotions most
>closely matched to those in the words?

this discussion miiiight be a smidge too deep for listees, but since i
have met you, audrey, i think you know how well i can delve into a
philosophical talk. = )

i think (those being the key words) that when i record myself playing
guitar, i used to hate to listen to the sound of my voice. and i still
cringe every time i hear it, but i guess i have learned to accept the fact
that it's just the way i sound. once i had gotten past that, i was able to
critique my ability. (which was the reason for recording in the first
place)  i discovered that the *first* recording always sounded the best in
terms of emotions and passion in my playing. but the first recording also
always sounded awful because since i was so immersed in the energy, i
missed chords, or i would forget a line from the song. so i would try to
do it again and again and again. by the 4th time, my passion was lost, but
the playing got better. i have no idea how to fix this. = )

a:   "we want our cake, and we want to eat it, too."

e:  "we want everything!"

=  ) i have no clue if i answered your question, audrey. i just woke up
and i think i might have interpreted it wrong. lemme know....

*yawning*,
liz

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> so last night i popped a tape in and read aloud the story i'd just
> finished.  i stumbled over some of the words so i tried it three times,
> and there are parts of the second two i like but no matter how many more
> times i read it none comes close emotionally to that first read.
>
> and it got me wondering in general about performance, and making words
> mean something when you repeat them over and over, but it also got me
> wondering about that first time.  since i know a lot of you write and
> sing/read your own stuff, i thought i'd ask....when does the piece tend to
> have the most emotion for you, sound the closest to that "ideal" of
> feeling how you imagined it sounding when you wrote it, emotions most
> closely matched to those in the words?

maybe a song and a story differ in that you have to develop your
melody/words a little longer in a song, i'm not sure. but for me, the
first 25 times of playing a new song are the best.(even though the first
4 or 5 times, at least, usually suck!) it means so much to you, it is
powerful because of the genuine emotion you feel. sometimes after that,
i have to rely on "pulling out" that emotion. an audience helps a lot
there. now this is discussing performing. recording is a different
animal. it requires a ridiculous amount of patience. i find that i can
only do a song convincingly about 3 times in a row, at any one time.
then i can't dredge enough out of it, it sounds pale. usually one time
to "get ready", better on the second, and right on the third. of course
with music, you have the great ability to "punch in", meaning if you
screw up in a couple place, you can just re-record those 2 places and
leave the rest alone. none of which would be an option for you and just
one tape recorder. (though you could actually do the same thing in a
studio). anyway, maybe you might try in front of people, or again on a
second day?

  do you feel it often, or is the
> writing cathartic enough that you rely on something different when you
> sing than when you write to evoke that response in others?

yes, it's different for me. writing is a little like therapy, you wash
yourself clean of the emotion, problem, whatever. performing took me
longer to develop. it requires a willingness to expose your soul in
front of relative strangers. usually prompted by some burning desire in
your heart to relay your "message". once i was willing to bare myself
this way, the audience became the biggest motivator. you want to give
every drop to those people who come out to watch.

sorry for the length!

off to a weekend wedding....oh boy :-|
happy holiday all!!

suz

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subject:      the walk

on 07/04/97 , mr rodney s wicker said:

>then ig came out to a standing ovation.  does anyone walk like amy ray?

in my life, i don't think i will ever meet anyone who walks like amy ray.
i think it's one of those "goddess" things. = )

-liz-

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hi kind listees!

in response to:
> gipsy kings. the song in question was infectiously danceable
>& made it almost ok that the concert was over...

*yes, they played the gipsy kings at the end of great woods, and
during *their pre-release tour, at least in eugene.  everyone, go out
and *listen to the gipsy kings awesom, awesome, awesome music!
they're *hand clapping and musical talent is so wonderful!  *ahh, i
think i'll bring them to work tomorrow, but can't let my *bosses know,
otherwise, they'll close up shop and have a *salsa/dance workshop!

well, 'gipsy kings' is a band formed by french gipsies and their most
known song is 'bamboleo' ( also performed as always awfully by
julio iglesias). the style is neither flamenco nor salsa , it's
rumba. i wouldn't say that the gipsy kings are awesome perfomers,
or even good. i think they are very light . i wouldn't recommend it
( althought i'm very folk-rock oriented, and i don't like that kind
of music ). if you are interested to know them , look for gc audioclips
in the internet and hear it first to ensure you like it ( well, it's
my advice).

besides there are some versions of that song ( i think that's a kind
of old song). if you want to hear  a good version of 'bamboleo' , look for
the celia cruz (  a cuban female singer) one. that version is full of
energy!

and, althought i'm not an specialist  about those comments
of eiiot having a flamenco taste  ( of an article, i think), it's
totally wrong. eiiot has a brazilian taste ( bossanova, like
caetano veloso or gilberto gil) and it reminds me a lot
the sting's song  'they dance alone' ( 'ellas danzan solas'). the musical
background and the instrumentation are quite similar in both songs,
imho.

flamenco is a very different thing ( this classification is totally
mine,not official or so , as an spanish person who talks of flamenco
from outside and who for obligation has heard it , it's only my personal
pov, it's all my responsability):
*slow flamenco : it's a kind of  lament. a performer singing longs aaaaahs
and repeating the same sentences ( i find it quite a funerary type
of songs) several times with only one guitar , and some others 4 or 5 people
clapping their hands to the rythm. the rythm itself is very
irregular: some long passages with short streams of very high rythm
*fast flamenco: in these there are usually one or two dancers, a man with black
dressing and a girl with a sevillana dressing who clap vey well with
their feet on the ground.

i don't know if i've explained quite well, but i swear flamenco is
not very happy and it's difficult to me ( to understand). if
you are interested, i'm sure there must be several flamenco sites.
note: the pure essence of flamenco is camarón de la isla, recognized
for the knowers ( not me) as the best in that style.

other thing that provokes confussion with the flamenco are the rumba
,the sevillanas and other andalusian styles: they're quite happy and
they're only to dance ( bamboleo is one of those and the chorus for
macarena is another, althought the 80% of that song is simply
kindlike pop).

also shed your skin has an spanish-taste guitar but it's only that.
i wouldn't say that's flamenco or rumba.

*buenos noches, y'all!
*seona

    bona nit (= good night, in catalan), ferran
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this story cannoy be found,can you explain it?

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hi again,

thanks to those who responded.  i was asked to
be more specific about my trip so i could be helped
according to my needs so, here goes...


i will be traveling from los angeles, ca.  it is
literally going to be a drop in, drop out kind of
thing.  i won't have time to do anything at all or
have a car.

i will be arriving in denver at 10:35pm on wednesday
july 16th.  i will see the shows on the 17th and 18th
then i leave at 7:30am on the 19th.

i'm really squeezing this in so i'm trying to go as
economical as i can.  i want to stay in a cheap-as-possible
hotel on wednesday and thursday.  hopefully i check my luggage
on friday then hang out in town or somewhere after the show
until i leave on saturday.

any help or info you could give me would be wonderful.  or if
you could point me into the direction to look that would be
great too.

thanks again, tt

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barb & twink wrote:

>       this is good advice, i got a used copy for my girlfriend this
> way.  i also wanted to say, if you'd settle for a tape (and a cheap one,
> at that), i often see the "relentless" release in those <sale> bins at
> camelot... if you want an immediate thing... try looking there.  i've
> noticed they've got the first ejs release on tape from time to time
> too... just so y'all know!

yard sales. i found the "relentless" cd at a yard sale for 50 cents.

scrounging,
leticia

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subject:      sigc: the lone coyote checking in!

hi my indigo friends, i just got on a friend's e-mail for the day and thought
i would write and tell you i missed y'all!  we're all going to see the lovely
a+e tomorrow night in berkeley, and i'm so excited!  i don't want to take up
too much of your precious bandwidth so i'll sign off.  carolyn chow, i got
your letter, congrats on the business, i'll write soon, promise!

love ya!
marianne
the lone coyote!

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in a message dated 97-07-04 12:54:15 edt, lturcotte@star.net (liz turcotte)
writes:

<< >then ig came out to a standing ovation.  does anyone walk like amy ray?

in my life, i don't think i will ever meet anyone who walks like amy ray.
i think it's one of those "goddess" things. = )
  >>

i totally agree, i have never seen anyone walk like amy.  she has the best
walk!
-stine-

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subject:      mediamongr? nigc

hey all,

some of you may have known me as mediamongr@aol.com, the name i've had for
about 2 years now, most of the time i've been on the list.  just wanted to
say i'm killing off mediamongr because i really don't use aol anymore.

so if you want to chat at all, or trade boots, avis, gifs and stuff like
that, write me at:  loried@one.net, that's where i'll be : )

so i looked for some appropriate last words for mediamongr, and came up with
these, from "hotel at highway one" on caroline aiken's new cd, butler field
--

"somewhere along the line, i lost sight of what living's about.
been so afraid of losing, i filled myself with doubt.
working in too many rodeos, where the rules were not my call.
finding out much too late, there weren't any rules at all."

...

"sometimes we spend too much time, regretting and denying.
you don't appreciate the laughter, until you know about the crying.
now, i welcome the new light, as i welcome today's sun,
and i'm laughing at myself, here at highway one."

- lorie d : )

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okay, maybe i didn't explain myself as well as i thought i did.  the idea
of the tanner's shot glasses being a real collecters  item is a joke. i
thought i laid the sarcasm on thickly enough in my original message. see,
the idea is, the more obscure a reference an item is, the better! the
farther you have to go to make a conection, the better the item is. is that
a better way of putting it? let me know, and remember it's a gag!

stoka

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subject:      much igc! boston peepull

i was listening to mix98.5fm (we've already decided this station rawks,
right?) and i heard a commercial for strawberries records store. they
played clips of soy, gotm, dgtgag, and it's alright. how cool is that?!
i've never heard an ig commercial before in my life. i'm proud and worried
at the same time.  i never shop at strawberries. i still won't. their
prices are way too high.

well, that's my ig content for today....

-liz-

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oh my goddess!

    i just had to rant, can this really be true?  i just visited
michelle malone's web site and they have listed that she will be on the
lilith fair lineup for the august 10th show here in columbus, oh at
polaris!  here i was feeling so sorry that i might not get a chance to
see her this tour!  yes! yes! yes!

     this is going to be a great show for sure!  just wanted to let
y'all know, if you didn't know already! i'm thrilled!

     see ya at polaris! :)
       twink!

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okay!

send money to deb. please? someone report deb's address. it's at my
house and i'm locked out and i have the check and the envelope and even
the stamp but no addy.

also: is anyone booting the berkeley shows? i assume/hope so.
i have no equipment to do this myself.


so excited: 2 days of indigo heaven!!!!!!

love to all,

larissa

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ok, i've been reading everyone's little opinion about stand, don't
stand, dance, don't dance, sing, don't sing.....who cares?  for anyone
wo can't enjoy a concert unless they can sit undisturbed while
maintaining eye contact with the band, well, you are expecting way too
much, or way too little from a live performance.  don't you get it? how
can you blow your entire night by getting all pissed off about someone
elses great time?  on the other hand those of us that are absolute
dancin' in the aisle freaks, if you are doin' the freak up and down
right in front of somebody that is physically unable to stand up and
join you, then you are a complete ass.
i'm enjoying my independence day by putting all 7 of my ig cd's in the
changer, veggie-k-bobs on the grill, a miller lite, a bowl of smoke, and
i'm standin' up, and i'm dancin', and i'm singin' loud and bad and
lovin' the hell out of it!

peace,
carrie

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***potent, low-key indigo girls cement bond***
pop music review - sara scribner
(reprinted without permission)

     while jewel was still up in alaska, the indigo girls delivered a
lilting, country-
steeped tune called "closer to fine."  ever since, the atlanta folk-rock
duo's career has struggled to top the down-home heart and living-room
spirituality of that minor 1989 hit, even though the team has stretched in
both its music and its ideology.
     on wednesday, the indigo girls opened a two-night greek theatre
engagement with a chummy, low-key concert that revealed why their music
remains potent for longtime fans-and why that fan base remains relatively
small.
     with their stage loaded with mandolins,percussion,violins and a piano,
amy ray and emily saliers are clearly unafraid to move beyond the standard
acoustic
guitar.  starting out strong, they launched into two of the more striking
songs on the indigo girls' current and sixth record, "shaming of the sun",
saliers' folky, upbeat "get out the map: and ray's darker-edged "don't give
that girl a gun."
the singers played up the contrast between ray's deep-throated alto and rock
sensibility and saliers' sweeter voice and folkie bent and harmonize with
delicious beauty.
     but by the middle of a set peppered with can't-miss tunes- bob dylan's
"tangled up in blue," bob marley's "redemption song" - the girls began to
lose their lyrical punch and musical muscle.  the group gained ground only
with "scooter boys," an uncharacteristically fierce new song.
     this a folk-rock's big year on mtv, but the indigo girls speak to a
tight-knit, insular crowd that doesn't demand the stylish, urbane chic of,
say, k.d. lang.
although the new album lacks radio-ready hooks and its lyrics are sometimes
irritatingly vague, wednesday's show revealed that the indigo girls' blend of
humility, heart and passion for music will remain a lure for its devoted
fans.

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hi! i can not currently be subscribed to the list, and so i might have
missed this, but has anyone found out the date when ig is going to be on
that vh1hard rock live show? if you do know, please e-mail me privately,
and i will be eternally grateful. i saw ig in san diego 3 days ago! they
were absolutely incredible! i could go on for hours about the show, but i
have to go. please contact me if you know when they are on vh1 or even if
you were at the san diego show! tha nk you!

~andy

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from:         erica weinstein <mkw007@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig - religious

i know i messed up the link.  here it is again

<a href="http://monsterbit.com/stammer/may/story2.html">http://monsterbit.com/
stammer/may/story2.html</a>

i hope this works.

erica

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owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org wrote:

> hi! i can not currently be subscribed to the list, and so i might have
>
> missed this, but has anyone found out the date when ig is going to be
> on
> that vh1hard rock live show? if you do know, please e-mail me
> privately,
> and i will be eternally grateful. i saw ig in san diego 3 days ago!
> they
> were absolutely incredible! i could go on for hours about the show,
> but i
> have to go. please contact me if you know when they are on vh1 or even
> if
> you were at the san diego show! tha nk you!
>
> ~andy
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   hi.  could you also post the answer to this question to the list as i
don't know either.
thanks.

--sharon

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reply-to:     minisino@aol.com
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from:         minisino@aol.com
subject:      hi all

to whomever it may concern i just wanted to write and say hello.  it has been
a while, but i am back on line.  unfortunately i don't have the time to get
back on the list.  so anyone who wants to write me please feel free.

veronica and tom, i haven't forgotten you , but my life has been crazy...i
will get your tapes out sometime next week...i promise!;)

hope all is well...
take care
tucker

ps...
hey binky...how's life girl?

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subject:      re: recording your own stuff (sigc)

in a message dated 97-07-04 14:21:45 edt, audrey (i hope i spelled that right
. . .) writes:

<< since i know a lot of you write and sing/read your own stuff, i thought
i'd ask....when does the piece tend to have the most emotion for you, sound
the closest to that "ideal" of feeling how you imagined it sounding when you
wrote it, emotions most  closely matched to those in the words?>>

i've found that if about five minutes after writing it, a passage of a story
sounds exactly how it did in my mind as i typed . . . but when it has the
most emotion for me is in the next day or two.  i wrote a 50 page (yikes!)
story for english class about two months ago.  it was to get some course
credits i was missing (damned mono), so i was the only one writing.  i got to
read the climax for my class mates only a day after i'd written it . . . and
this part was a real soc emotion packed babbling of a mad angst ridden
terrified teenager type thing . . . that's the only time i've ever read
anything i've written out loud for an audience of my peers.  i've never
gotten so emotionally into reading anything, though, peers or not.  within a
minute they had all dissapeared and i just sat there, eyes glued to the page,
shouting out these words that had never been spoken aloud to an audience . .
. i've never been that emotionaly charged in reading anything . . . reading
that passage to myself before then had always been only slightly
rage-enducing, and reading it since has always felt like it was lacking
something . . . . am i off topic now?

<< do you feel it often, or is the writing cathartic enough that you rely on
something different when you sing than when you write to evoke that response
in others? >>

well, i don't write songs due to a total lack of self confidence in the
rhyming department <g>, but from reading my stories to different people . . .
lately i've been writing stories that focus mainly on things that have
actually happened to me, and so in writing them, i find myself not so much
producing but feeling the words through my keyboard.  instead of just writing
about the time i sat in the hospital waiting room next to my crying godmother
(god, i've had an interesting childhood! ;) ), i'll be going through all the
emotions and somehow they happen to appear on the screen.  then, however,
when i go to read it, the emotion is already there on the page.  to express
it, i just flow along with the words, shouting when it feels right, and
talking calmly when it feels right.  sometimes the most power-packed emotions
on the page, that i was internaly screaming when i got them on the page, are
best said in a normal tone, and thus have more of an ironic confusing through
the wringer effect on people . . .

um, if you've read this far, you deserve a pat on the back!  even *i*
wouldn't have made it past the first line . . . sheesh, what does that tell
you . . . ?

-elizabeth

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if anyone is looking to get rid of 2 tickets for friday (7/11) or one ticket
for either saturday (7/12) or sunday (7/13) seattle shows, please email

sarahwk@u.washington.edu   (jen)

please don't reply to me because i'll be spending some quality time away
from my computer for the next few days.

thanks,
bon


bonster@u.washington.edu

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subject:      redemption correction

i wrote in my review of the ig 2nd la show that amy
wrote a new song called redemption that she sang
during the show.

i have to point out that the song was actually written
years ago by bob marley.

thanks to everyone that pointed this out.

i'd still love to have the ig version on tape.  if anyone
out there gets a good recording of their version, let me know.

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subject:      seeger tribute (fwd) (igc!)

thought this might be of interest...

forwarded message:
> from gbrown-l-approval@world.std.com  sat jul  5 11:44:06 1997
> date: sat, 05 jul 1997 10:18:05 cst
> from: shirley cottle <cottles@uwwvax.uww.edu>
> to: gbrown-l@world.std.com, waraczym@uwwvax.uww.edu
> message-id: <009b6cb5.309f8295.6@uwwvax.uww.edu>
> subject: seeger tribute: greg told me he's very proud of this!
> sender: gbrown-l-approval@world.std.com
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>
> from: mx%"folk_music@nysernet.org"  4-jul-1997 23:37:21.46
> to:   mx%"folk_music@nysernet.org"
> cc:
> subj: re: speaking of tribute albums...
>
> return-path: <folk_music@nysernet.org>
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>           jul 1997 23:37:20 cst
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> date: sat, 5 jul 1997 00:33:25 -0400
> message-id: <v03102805afe385c00317@[149.96.1.48]>
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> from: sally greenberg <sallyg@ix.netcom.com>
> to: multiple recipients of list <folk_music@nysernet.org>
> subject: re: speaking of tribute albums...
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>
> sender: sally greenberg <sallyg@ix.netcom.com>
> subject: re: speaking of tribute albums...
>
> here's an update from jim musselman on the status of the pete seeger
> tribute (double) cd:
>
> sally
>
> >from: folkradicl@aol.com
> >date: fri, 4 jul 1997 11:03:16 -0400 (edt)
> >to: sallyg@ix.netcom.com
> >subject: re: speaking of tribute albums...
> >
> >sally:
> >
> >in response to your inquiry here is the update on the seeger "celebration of
> >his music"...it is called "where have all the flowers gone" and it will be a
> >double cd that looks like it will be out on october 21st......here is the
> >list of artists who have done songs.
> >
> >jackson browne, bonnie raitt, billy bragg,bruce cockburn, ani difranco,
> >richie havens, holly near, ronnie gilbert, si kahn, dick gaughan, roger
> >mcguinn, greg brown, indigo girls, guy davis, tim robbins(the actor singing),
> >studs terkel, john trudell, nanci griffith, odetta, tish hinojosa, judy
> >collins, cathy fink and marcy marxer, peter paul and mary, tom paxton, casey
> >neill....one other major artist may be added if contractual problems can be
> >cleared up.
> >
> >the songs have been picked to match the artists....jackson browne and bonnie
> >raitt do a reggae version of "kisses sweeter than wine"...in addition tommy
> >sands and dolores keane sing a version of "where have all the flowers gone"
> >with liam o'flynn on pipes and vedran smilovich on cello...it also features a
> >chorus of catholic and protestant school children.....each song is a story
> >upon itself.
> >
> >the project is finished but is being held up for the time being for a very
> >welll known artist who did a cut for the cd and took ill and wants to try to
> >recut the song.
> >
> >thank you for your interest and please feel free to post this on the usenet
> >group. all the best.....
> >
> >                                                         jim
> >
> >
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>
>


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susan *and* computers--those had largely been the bad bits."--douglas adams

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subject:      to those i owe gw booties to (nigc)

for people who sent me their tapes for the great woods boot....they are
coming soon! this weekend i have dubbed "great woods booty" weekend. i
will be taping round the clock till they are all done. thank you for being
so patient.

if anyone wants to drop by and keep me company while i listen to "shame on
you" for the 4,000th time, feel free. = )

-liz-

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subject:      stomp & stammer???

does anyone have an extra copy of the may stomp & stammer with the article
about amy???  if you have one you are wiling to part with, please email me
(privately) and let me know cause i'd love to have it.

thanks all!

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
   member - ssim yknib naf bulc
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(audience member) emily!!!  paint the world on fire!!!!!
(amy) come on emily, paint the world on fire!
(a.m.) when's the last time you said that?
(emily) at the cotton club.  that's the _only_ time i ever said it!
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subject:      nigc attention susan b marine and lisa m schreihart

greets & kisses to all & sorry to waste bandwidth but when you're as lost as
i am and you cant keep track of folks email addresses it cant be helped.

lisa, i got the pics & the tape today, cyberkisses for both!!!!  i'm
listening to the tape now, it's fab, one of the best-quality concert boots i
have  :)  thanks also for the pics - they're great!  :)

susan i got the tape from you today too, and while the front side is
absolutely faboo, the backside is a little bit blank!  :)  email me!!!!

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
   -   novitiate of suzanneglassism
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can you show me now that i will not be killed in vain,
show me just a little of your omnipresent brain!
show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die,
you're far too keen on where and when and not so hot on why!
-amy as jesus, "the garden of gethsemane"
from jesus christ super-star: a resurrection
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hey y'all,

could someone tell me all those little tips and such on red rocks?  like
what time would i need to line up for the first few rows?  what time do
the gates open?  and anyone know about some sort of *hill* that i've heard
you need to run up when the gates open?  how thoroughly do they search?
etc, etc.

a list-response would be cool since i know there's more interest out
there, but feel free to also respond privately with more info or a
possible list-meet and such.  any other new mexicans going to the show?
(hi kathy and vanessa!)

thanks!
donna

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so i gots me plane tickets my pals have gots me concert tickets and i'm
almost scared to post in case i jinx it, it's been a dream of mine to
spend an intimate evening with a few thousand friends i ain't met yet and
music of my sisters amy and emily at red rocks.....

sometimes you just gotta make your dreams come true.  so who's joining me
and what time are we beginning to camp out on the 17th so i can get that
front row spot on emily side which is gonna keep me smiling for days????

luckily i'm getting into town on the 16th and i hope michelle malone
doesn't think i'm stalking her or anything, i just can't be in the same
town as she and miss a show.  it's at the fox theatre in boulder that
night, don't know what time or how old you have to be (anyone local feel
like calling???) but i'd love to see a bunch of you there.

aaaaannnnnd, i've never been to colorado before so i'm sticking around for a
couple of days after the shows, anyone want to play tour guide or just
hang out around boulder or denver?  i'll cook ya dinner!   (i think a
*couple* of listees will vouch for my cooking abilities....)


thanks :)

....audrey
*red rockin' not just for herself but for (this is the sad part) a few
dear friends who wanted so much to go but can't :(   i'll be taking your
spirits along!  and igboston, i'll be thinking of you on the 16th since i
know you'll be missing me on the 20th, i'm just a leeetle too broke to
change my ticket to an earlier time, and not quiiiiite obsessed enough to
go into debt for it ;)

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i haven't been able to get rid of my last general admission seat for
tonight's show, so for all you bay area listees who'd like a shot at my own
version of a ticket giveaway, answer the following very simple question and
be willing to meet me at the benches of the haas graduate school of
management across from the greek theater at 6:30 tonight:

what does emily's mother do for a living?

first correct response emailed to me wins the ticket! (please send your
phone number so we can handle the exchange).
good luck!

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hey all!

well, we don't have to worry about vh-1 seeling out a&e.

i have been sitting here for 2 days hoping to finally see "soy" so i could
chat about it too, and, thinking that this is the history of music vidoe
from a-z, i figured that i would finally get to see it.

so here i have been, all day, tape in vcr, remote in hand, listening to
whitney and hootie and don henley and the hooters, and the "i's" finally
start.  first billy idol.  every billy idol tune imaginable.  so i say to
my bf, "there is nothing i can think of after "idol" but "indigo"!!!"

i guess i am right, but inxs is more important.
;(

no ig for you!!!  (soup nazi)

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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tigger:

   hey, i've gotten a few "bounced" mails back that i'd sent to you!  so
i figured i'd post to you & the list... hopefully, then you'll get this!
just wanted to let you know i got the pp tape you sent! :) and thanks a
lot!

    okay, i'll talk to you later!
  thanks,
   twink!

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hey, everyone...who went to this la show...this is an awesome set list...i
love their version of dylan's tangled up in blue.  i've only heard it on
the 1200 cds, and it's awesome!  did anyone boot this...please, please,
please, let me know.

thanks !
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu
(two 1/2 more days til jacksonville! =)


on fri, 4 jul 1997, a. taub wrote:

> here's the set list from the second l.a. show.  it seemed like they got to
> galileo awfully quickly tonight, but they were in a good mood right from
> the beginning, kept saying how great the crowd was and there were
> incredible versions of songs - tangled up in blue was especially good
> tonight and cut it out was incredible.
>
> bay area - here they come! enjoy them!
>
> 1. thin line
> 2. power of two
> 3. shame on you
> 4. caramia
> 5. don't give that girl a gun
> 6. get out the map
> 7. tried to be true
> 8. least complicated
> 9. scooter boys - without extra part
> 10. leeds
> 11. redemption songs
> 12. land of canaan
> 13. prince of darkness
> 14. shed your skin (with the billy tipton mem. jazz quartet accompanying)
> 15. it's alright
> 16. cut it out - with extra part.  blistering
> 17. galileo
> ---------------------
> encore:
> 18. everything in its own time
> 19. guest appearance by someone whose name i couldn't properly hear -
> vanda shepherd? wanda? rhonda?  she did a song of hers called something
> like the wildest time in the world.  i guess my ears were shot by this point.
> she's apparently a favorite singer of emily's, who said "i love her"
> after the song was over.
> 20. tangled up in blue - with um, dave ellison (the manager) on
> harmonica.
> 21. closer to fine - with everyone, including sully.
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hi marianne!  we miss ya up at school!  hope camp is fun!
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

on fri, 4 jul 1997, dana lung wrote:

> hi my indigo friends, i just got on a friend's e-mail for the day and thought
> i would write and tell you i missed y'all!  we're all going to see the lovely
> a+e tomorrow night in berkeley, and i'm so excited!  i don't want to take up
> too much of your precious bandwidth so i'll sign off.  carolyn chow, i got
> your letter, congrats on the business, i'll write soon, promise!
>
> love ya!
> marianne
> the lone coyote!
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> just a reminder..all tapes should be reaching their original tape
> decks..if theres a problemm e-mail me privately cause i'm not on the
> list anymore..
> have a good summer all
> pooh

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hi ya'll

i've got an extra reserved (section 203 row k) ticket for the lilith
fair at shorline amptheater in mountain view ca on tuesday, july 8.
anyone interested?

julia (who is seeing the girls from the second row tomorrow!!!!  :0)
!!!!!!

"we have incridble fans."   -emily saliers

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i know this is last minute notice but i have two tickets for tonight's show
section f row 2 from the stage.  $50 a piece.  if you want them page me at
408-521-5889.

i don't even know if this will wind up on the list in time for the show.

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thanks to the many of you in the bay area and beyond who responded. yes,
emily's mom is a librarian. (i believe she mentions something about it in
the spiel before virginia woolf on 1200c).

unfortunately, there could only be one winner. so congratulations to julia
cho for her speedy (and correct) response. enjoy! to everyone else, i hope
you enjoy the shows tonight and tomorrow.

karen

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ok, this is just to get people thinking and maybe on the right track.

b--3/5-----5---5----3---1----1

repeat thata few times, then:

b----3/5----5---5---3---1--0------------
g-------------------------------------2-------


b-------------0--1--3--5/6---5---6---5--6--5--6--5--6--3---5--3--5--3--2---2
g---2---2-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

i think i messed up on that b part at the end. i think i messed up the
number of "5--6" and "5--3" 's.   o'well! try it out, tell me what you
think. if i did it all wrong, break it to me gently..

-liz-

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in a message dated 97-07-05 16:14:56 edt, karrie@ncinter.net (karrie a.
bowen) writes:

<< so here i have been, all day, tape in vcr, remote in hand, listening to
whitney and hootie and don henley and the hooters, and the "i's" finally
start.  first billy idol.  every billy idol tune imaginable.  so i say to
my bf, "there is nothing i can think of after "idol" but "indigo"!!!"

i guess i am right, but inxs is more important.
  ;(

no ig for you!!!  (soup nazi)

peace, love and ig-
karrie >>


you know, i'm semi-glad to hear this.  i waited through the dreaded b's and
then the d's....on to the g's....h's...and i leave only to come home to
michael jackson video's!!!  i was dying!!!  i waited 2 days to see the indigo
girls!  so, i'm glad to hear they didn't actually play them, but also mad to
hear it.  glad i didn't miss it, though.

janeen

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>so here i have been, all day, tape in vcr, remote in hand, listening to
>whitney and hootie and don henley and the hooters, and the "i's" finally
>start.  first billy idol.  every billy idol tune imaginable.  so i say to
>my bf, "there is nothing i can think of after "idol" but "indigo"!!!"
>
>i guess i am right, but inxs is more important.
> ;(
>
>no ig for you!!!  (soup nazi)
>
>peace, love and ig-
>karrie

i feel your pain. i've spent all my free time from work the last two days
in front of cmt (a canadian country music channel) with one finger resting
on the vcr remote's "record" button waiting for "shame on you" because i
caught the last 10 seconds of it yesterday morning while flicking thru
channels aimlessly and remembered that someone else on the list had
mentioned seeing it on cmt. but alas, my torturous task has come to no
avail so far. i was about to give up tonight, having waded through so many
drippingly cheesy country vids that i had dissolved into a zombie-like
state (we are speaking of a mild inability to blink) when amid the praire
oyters and the pam tillises and the reba mcintyres they played a melissa
etheridge video. gotta go...i think the videos are about to change again...


______tracey lavigne (rlavigne@nbnet.nb.ca)______
"up is a sign in the sky, spray paint letters on
  cardboard on two poles, and it says 'chickenman,'
     and my heart is full again." -- amy ray

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hmmm...but weren't you telling some list member a few days ago that it
was a waste of her money to buy some cd's when there are starving people
on this planet? so you're as guilty as her, and you didn't even donate
the shirt to someone who has no clothes.
-sam  (who doesn't care if she is being a jerk by posting this)

on thu, 3 jul 1997 yougfemme@aol.com wrote:

> i got that shirt and i ended up hating it so i threw it out

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hey everyone,

just a few notes about this and that relating to admin and
other things...

1. about yougfemme@aol.com - this person requested to be
taken off the list a few days ago, and i did so.  so, if you
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i think that's all for now, so cheers folks -
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subject:      17mag +k-mart

hey y'all--
  i haven't posted in awhile but two ig-related incidences occured today so
i'd thought i'd share.  first, i went to k-mart and in the music section they
have the video-playing screen.  soy was one of the selections (i only pushed
it 10 times).  i also want to point out that this is like the fourth issue in
a row of seventeen magazine that has ig references in it.  this month a girl
mentions blood and fire in an article.  kind of neat.
lauren

p.s. drew...i heard your joke of the day on webn!

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hello all,
     i just realized that i have not been getting any mail from the list.  it
could be that nobody has posted, but highly unlikely since i haven't got any
messages since the 29th or 30th.  i don't know if i got bumped off or what
and i don't remember what i have to do to re-subscribe.  could someone please
e-mail me the address to get back on the list.  i don't know what the problem
could be...any help would be greatly appreciated.  also, i have been gone for
a while and didn't get a chance to respond to getting a boot of the ppv
show.  so, i was wondering if there is a kind soul out there who could help
me out with getting it.  thanks!!

--peace, trish
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subject:      tape loop(s)..............

...........................ok ...i'm a mindless dolt.......rub it in if you
like, i deserve it.....i left town and forgot to mail my loop tapes..........
i have, however, received two in the mail.......would some kind souls please
check the lists i'm on and /or send me the appropriate snails if i'm supposed
to mail you a tape......?? i've got real nice ones ready to go and no addy to
send them to.............i told you i was mindless.......have mercy kind
friends and i shall respond post-haste with my jingly-jangly music on
tape........again, my apologies.........brian "the dolt" beasley

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subject:      ig soy on vh1

i work for a cable company, and every morning my friend tommy calls me into
dispatch to see the soy video. i get up from my desk and run in to see it. on
monday, i will pay close attention to the time and pass it on to everyone:p ,
since vh1 seems to have a pre-set video schedule. in the meantime, if you're
really desperate, throw a tape in the vcr in the morning and let it run.
sooner or later it will come on....i promise!

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just a quick note to let anyone know that was interested, ... i have
both red letter day albums now and i like both of them. i like the
second album (_four bowls of colour_) best as their music seems to have
matured more by this point in time. but, i think if you get into this
album you would want to have _live from the globe_ anyway, ... just to
see where they have been :)  not sure i would exactly compare them to
the ig though, i don't think their music is quite as "deep". hard to get
four bowls of colour out of you mind though after you've heard it a few
times :)
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hi list,

just got back from mine and my 8 year old daughter's first time seeing the
girls.  first time we've been to the uc berkeley greek theater, too.  it's
a beautiful venue and it was a beautiful summer night - clear, lots of
stars, not too cold.  we had great (reserved) seats, about three rows up,
off to amy's side.

i enjoyed the billie tipton memorial orchestra (memorial jazz orchestra?).
then ig came out, and amy had a problem with her guitar right off.  she
seemed to be fairly pissed off for the first several songs... the sound of
her guitars wasn't where she wanted them.  i could see her saying "that was
so off" and "why did that happen?" to the "guitar handler" in between
songs.  emily seemed to be having a pretty fine time, though, and after a
bit amy lightened up too.  my daughter was thrilled to report that amy
looked right at her and smiled.  could be... i was busy fiddling with my
camera at the time.  :-p

the show lasted about 3 hours and 15 minutes.
here's the setlist with a few comments here and there:

mystery
a song i don't know... poetry in motion, possibly?
(some people then held up a sign that read "tarr it up!" and emily
laughed)
it's alright
scooter boys
get out the map
tried to be true (rocked!!, they really got into this one)
don't give that girl a gun
least complicated
shame on you (i *think* this was the song where amy broke a string during
the first few notes!  only broken string i noticed through the whole show,
though)
ghost
reunion
leeds (the microphone at the piano was moving around too much when emily
first sat down, so she told it "get back!" and then told us, "hang on,
something is wrong with this microphone... piece of shit!" ;-)  then sully
came out to help her and she introduced sully)
redemption song
shed your skin (billie tipton memorial orchestra came out and joined them
on this one... amy's guitar wasn't working so she sang, "115, you are 17,
my guitar's not working..." and then she showed us her "1969 strat" while
waiting for another guitar... showed us the various stickers on it, etc.
:-)
caramia ("another loud song", said amy)
hey kind friend
chickenman w/ both of them doing a couple of lines from "i write the songs
that make the whole world sing" in the middle of it!
galileo

encore:

everything in it's own time
closer to fine

fashion report:  both women looked great!, as is pretty much the usual ;-)
- amy wore that maroon with white polka dots shirt, white jeans, black
leather docs, they looked to be.  emily wore a pastel green oversized
button down shirt that was a really nice color on her with her
reddish-hair, and light blue jeans.  as an added bonus, i noticed sara
lee's attire ;-)  black leather pants, a lime green shirt over a white tank
top.

if any of you bay area folk who are going to tomorrow's show are reading
this - the gates opened 2 hours before show time.  this is when we arrived,
and we could have had good general admission seats.  people didn't seem to
arrive hours and hours ahead of time, like i thought they might.  the event
staff were pretty picky about what people could bring in - no glass
bottles, no cans of any kind, and if you're going to bring a cooler of some
sort, it has to be no bigger than one of those six-pack sized coolers.  saw
lots of annoyed people with big coolers, soda cans, glass bottles, etc. who
had to brings things back to their car.  they allowed cameras, just no big
lenses, and no "professional equipment".  i brought a disposable camera in
case they were confiscating that kind of thing, but now i wish i'd brought
my real camera with the pop-out zoom lens.

nice selection of tour t-shirts, too!

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subject:      re: ig on vh1

ok, i'll stick my neck out and say:

heard just in passing that it will be aug 27th but you'll have to keep
checking:

http://www.rockontv.com

for all the vh1 news.  you can get their weekly commentary sent to your email
addy.

jude :)

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allison wrote:

<< 19. guest appearance by someone whose name i couldn't properly hear -
vanda shepherd? wanda? rhonda?  she did a song of hers called something
like the wildest time in the world.  i guess my ears were shot by this
point.
she's apparently a favorite singer of emily's, who said "i love her" >>

wow, i didn't know the ig' s liked vonda shepard.  she's a favorite of mine
for a long time - i highly recommend "grain of sand"!  anybody else love
vonda??


bonnie

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subject:      msg/mercury leaves - june

to all my june leaves, i have received my copies of the boots - please e-mail
me privately to get info on where to send the tapes/sase or to set up trades
!

chris

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subject:      on christianity (a tiny bit of igc)

in a message dated 97-07-02 12:31:35 edt, you write:

> weeeeeeeeeeell, speaking from the point of view of a former
>  christian (now non-religous), i can tell you that christians tend to
>  be verrrrry bible-oriented, and strictly so.  if it's not in obvious
>  black and white there on the pages, then they don't generally believe
>  in it.  anyway,  that is my personal explanation as to why they would put
down the
>  other religions -- because they practice beliefs that the christians
>  just *know* are wrong.  =)

i just wanted to throw in my two cents on this.  i hate when "christianity"
(isn't that the belief and following of the principles taught by christ
::shrug::), gets mixed up with catholicism or the protestant religions.
'cause some of them are really really really bad examples of what christ was
talking about.  if anyone wants to know what christianity should be teaching,
they should go read matthew 5 and on... the sermon on the mount.  whatever
you do, don't listen to a "preacher".  oh man, those guys are nuts!  they can
read "ye shall not resist evil... turn the other cheek... if a man sue thee
at the law and take away they coat, let him have they cloak also"(etc., etc.
all matt.5) and endorse capitol punishment in the same breath!

and now for some igc, bible related.  i decided to actually try and read the
old testament straight through (i'm now in kings).  i was happily surprised
when reading leviticus 10:1-2 "the sons of aaron...offered strange fire
before the lord...and there went out fire from the lord and devoured them,
and they died before the lord" (now, dont' go saying this contradicts the
last paragraph, btw, this is law of moses stuff :-)  wow, that's an indigo
girls song!  how cool.  that was the influence for the song, right?  sure.
what i was wondering was if amy actually read leviticus.  oh man, it's
boring :-)  well, that's 'bout it for now...

the sfc

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has anyone out there been booting any of these ????

there seems to be a lack of boots from the west coast !!! c'mon people -
sneak those tape decks in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

some of these shows have had really great setlist and commentary from the
reviews i've read here on the list !!!!!!!!!!

chris

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hi kfs!

portenteous title, i know.  really, i'm listening to the ig cd, i mean the
eponymous one, and i just heard kid fears (now we'll have to worry , does
"kfs" mean "kind friends" or "kid fears"?!?!  ;-) ), and that got me
thinking...because let's face it, who else could get me thinking at 9:00
on a sunday morning of a four-day weekend...and (drum roll) what i was
thinking was that i used to cry every time i heard kid fears.  i posted a
"where were you the first time you heard th ig" response last week (or
two), and the reason i was captured in the first place was michael stipe
on kf.  whoa was this a coming out song for me!  i associate both ig and
rop with coming out, but kf and ghost are the two that mean the most in ig
terms.
i'm babbling, i know.  let me try to be logical: kf sounds like a butch
anthem sometimes-- "pain from pearls..."  (i know, lots of dykes wear
pearls, and i definitely do sometimes, but i understand the sentiment...i
think.)  so i was simply thinking about how much i used to identify with
the narrator of kf: "replace the need with love...replace the ones that
you love"--if only i could not be queer!  (that was what i used to think,
anyway, before i became the fabulous, beautiful, brilliant, flirtatious
dyke i am today. ;-) )  at the same time, rem's "losing my religion" was
big.  oh, how i loved that song.  i sacrificed myself on the altar of that
song every time i heard it, and i knew what it meant immediately--i was so
in love with my straight best friend/roommate, and it was clear to me that
michael stipe was singing about lost love, love never spoken, in short,
being queer and in love with a straight person.
so i'm thinking that without the ig (obviously) and rem, i might never
have come out.  i still think that lmr describes the closet so well:
"oh no, i've said too much; i haven't said enough...consider this, this
love has brought me to my knees...i've said too much; i set it up."  yeah!
describe my pain, michael!  (blood and fire seemed to do the same thing
sometimes-- "i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love.")

so.  i guess this is a post in appreciation of michael stipe.  now i wish
he treated a&e better than he does, and i'm tired of his and rem's
whininess, but boy oh boy did he help me get through some hard times, just
like the ig.  i'm kind of wondering if other queer people on the list have
coming out music, and, i suppose, if the straight people have some
parallel type of thing.

translation from suzi-speak into english: do other people have stories to
tell about coming out music?  do straight people have similar experiences?
is this thread going to swamp the list and get me flamed?  ;-)

reminder: not only is this month exciting because of my birthday (and i
know you are all excited), but dar's new cd is coming out july 15.  it's
called "the end of the summer" and i think most of y'all will love it.
:-)

happy sunday/monday/whenever you read this,
love,
suzi

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my mom just walked in the door, and turned on the radio...and i hear amy and
emily (!!!) i love my college radio station :-)  anyway, they were doing a
cover of a paul simon song  (according to my mom...but she couldn't remember
the name of the song)  anyway...what was this song?  is it on an album?  it
was a'capella, and they had a live audience.  if you know what the song was,
email me or post it.

thanks :-)
                                                        jen

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in a message dated 97-07-06 10:15:35 edt, guinione@aol.com writes:

<<
has anyone out there been booting any of these ????

there seems to be a lack of boots from the west coast !!! c'mon people -
sneak those tape decks in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

some of these shows have had really great setlist and commentary from the
reviews i've read here on the list !!!!!!!!!!
  >>

if only i could have, but the bill graham org and greek theatre staff at
berkeley are notorious for the thoroughness of their searches, so i didn't
try. perhaps some brave soul took the chance.

karen
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
if it's tourist season, why can't we shoot them?

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subject:      berkeley show 7/5 (long)

it's 8:15am after getting home at 1:30am, so excuse any typos, babblings and
meandering. i just wanted to publically affirm, after 2 1/2 indigoless years,
that amy & emily rule, and if i could have thrown myself  on the stage and
offered myself up as a watergirl and towel slave just so i could listen to
them play forever, i would  have done so.
it was a beautiful night with no fog, stars out and not too cold. i arrived
at 4:30 pm and camped out on the steps and was met by about 12 members of my
church, including the pastor, who is a major ig fan. we had great seats and
the crowd was mellow. the billy tipton memorial saxaphone quartet was an
interesting choice for an opening act, and opinion was divided among our
group about if we like them or not (i did, especially the piece by sun ra).
amy and emily both fussed with their guitars and speakers for awhile, amy's
body language giving off noticeable waves of annoyance as she did so. this is
my 3rd greek show where they have had some significant sound problems, but
the crowd was patient and cheered them on, and we amused ourselves by doing
the wave and dancing to a taped bob marley tune.

they played a solid two hour show,  and the setlist was: mystery, three hits,
it's allright, scooter boys (with a "smoke on the water" intro by amy), gotm,
tried to be true, dgtgag (intense!), least complicated (with na na
singalong), soy (amy's 1st and only broken string. she yelled something like
"jesus!" right into the mike), ghost (wonderful!!), reunion, leeds (josh
screwed up his violin piece on this one: it sounded awful), redemption song,
soy (amy's strat wasn't working and she ad libbed "115, my guitar's not
workin,' as emily and the sax players kept up a rhythm and emily yelled, hey
we'll just do this all night!"), caramia, hkf, chickenman with a few lines of
"i write the songs" thrown in, and galileo. encores were eiiot and ctf.
a&e looked fabulous and were rested from a day off on the fourth. on the
down side, amy was clearly upset by the sound problems and kept apologizing
to us towards the end. i would hate to be the sound tech who was on her
receiving end last night! personally i don't think they had anything to
apologize for. it was a terrific show. best of all, i get do it again today!

karen
(off to church: something tells me that there will be igc in the sermon. my
pastor was sporadically taking notes throughout the concert)

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here's the _akron beacon journal_ "review:  indigo girls go electric"
which we are probably not allowed to post or quote from without
permission.  this appeared in saturday's paper, two days after blossom,
and i don't think they have the attendance right.  we'll have to check
on monday. typo's are my wife peg's :)

subtitle:  "duo known for folk jams at blossom concert.
            opener ulali harmonious"

by kevin c. johnson _beacon journal pop music critic_

   there was a time when the indigo girls were a quaint
little folk duo known as saliers & ray.
   emily saliers and amy ray would continue the group's
accoustic-driven feel during much of the time it was
later known as indigo girls.
   but today's indigo girls bear little resemblance to
previous incarnations.  thursday night at blossom music
center in cuyahoga falls, indigo girls showed they know
how to pump up the jams with the best of them, even
though that's not how they have traditionally done things.
   saliers and ray demonstrated a tougher edge for 5,5000
or so fans at blossom during a near two-hour show that was
big on electrifying guitar play from saliers and ray (who
even managed to send electric-like charges through their
acoustic guitars), thumping bass from sara lee and
propulsive percussion from jerry marotta -- all helping
make saliers' and ray's vocals soar even higher, whether
the singers were trading off vocals, repeating each others'
lyrics or offering the other background vocals.
   there was no mistaking the mood as saliers and ray took
to the stage to the sounds of thunderous drums, signaling
that the days of the quiet, folksy strumming were far
behind.
   after opening with an older song, _tried to be true_,
the group went straight into its excellent new album
_shaming of the sun-, its highest-charting album to date.
the recording was showcased well and often here on songs
such as the country-tinged rocker _get out the map_ and
_shame on you_ and _don't give that girl a gun_, which
continued the plugged-in feel.
   the dance-inspiring _shed your skin, also from _shaming
of the sun_, carried with it a funky bite one wouldn't
necessarily expect from the indigo girls.  _shed your skin_
included some vocal harmonizing from native american female
trio ulali, which sang on a few indigo girls (sic)songs
during the concert.  the trio appears on _shaming of the
sun_, and opened the blossom show.
    _the power of two from 1994's _swamp ophelia_ album was
a quiet highlight, as was _leeds_, which featured saliers
on piano while ray momentarily retired offstage.  ray was
back for the next song, her shining moment on the torrid
_cut it out_, during which she released some gritty vocals.
   others on the song list included _caramia_, _least
complicated_, and of course _closer to fine_.
   the indigo girls encouraged the crowd to donate money to
open m family development, a free medical service in akron
they supported by giving up some of the night's concert's
proceeds to the organization.
   during ulali's opening set, the trio provided fine harmonies,
with only a drum beat in a song or two, but fared better when
helping out during the indigo girls' set.
   unfortunately, ulali served as background music for much of
the crowd during its own set while the crowd talked over most
of their set.  the group deserved a better reception than
this, although its set wasn't much in the way of captivating.
   the women dedicated a couple of songs to ray and saliers.


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ok, here's another, posted w/o permission. scanned in so there shouldn't
be any typos :)

the georgia-based folk/rock duo the indigo girls attract one of the most
fanatic audiences around. how fanatical? well, when the indigo girls
played at blossom music center on thursday night, they attempted to
conclude a three-song encore with a low-key, acoustic-based version of
their biggest hit, "closer to fine."

this would have been a clue to most audiences to start the trek to the
parking lots. but not only did the crowd bring the group back for
another encore, hardly a soul budged from her seat.

"her" is the operative word. the indigo girls project a uniquely
feminine spirit. the audience of about 5,000 was at least three-quarters
women, split primarily between dewy-fresh college girls and lesbian
couples.

some mixed-sex couples were present, but any man not in touch with his
inner woman probably felt out of place.

though there were two male band members jerry marotta and
multi-instrumentalist josh segal (who also plays with the borrowers)
bassist sara lee and three woman opening act ulali added to the estrogen
energy created by the girls, emily saliers and amy ray. saliers even has
a female guitar tech.

way  too much has been made of the differences between saliers and ray,
who alternate lead vocals throughout most of the show. in reality, the
differences between saliers' warm, intimate voice and ray's throaty,
occasionally melodramatic delivery are smoothed over by the harmonies.
the duo sing in tandem a solid majority of the time, creating a sound
that's actually more unified than contrasting.

though that sound is firmly acoustic-based hardly a song passed without
someone on acoustic guitar in concert, it's a huge, enveloping sound.
it's also a sound with a lot of diversity.

at one point, saliers quipped about playing musical chairs with
instruments, and it was literally true. though ray stuck mostly with
guitar, saliers and segal both played an array of instruments, and lee
also played piano and pennywhistle.

saliers besides being a strong singer, displayed  breathtaking
instrumental skills, especially her finger-style acoustic guitar-picking
on "everything in its own time" and "power of two."

the 16-song main set kicked off with. ray featured on "tried to be
true';and progressed through a varied two hours. "don't give that girl a
gun" displayed the band at its most rocking.

even though both saliers and ray were playing acoustic guitars (while
segal manned electric and did some blazing solo work), the tune had a
massive overwhelming feel, with segal and lee joining in the vocalizing
for towering four-part harmonies.

"ghost," featuring saliers, was dreamier and less conically dense, as
was their gentle, acoustic-dominated  version of "least complicated,"
which ended with lee twittering on the pennywhistle.

adding to the surprising largeness of the sound, they even brought ulali
back on stage for four tunes. the native-american trio, which recorded
with the indigo girls on their latest album "shaming of the sun," opened
the show with a half-hour of vocalizing on native tunes from all over
the north american continent.

they accompanied themselves on hand drums and shakers, and though they
could get unnervingly shrill in their higher registers, they were
spectacularly dynamic when they sang low.

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> there seems to be a lack of boots from the west coast !!! c'mon people -
> sneak those tape decks in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i tried to boot san diego and both l.a. shows.  after san diego, i
thought i had found all the possible ways to screw up a boot, but ... i
found more ...

i'm currently listening to them to figure out what i've got and whether
it's worth treeing.  la-1 isn't too bad - it's got michelle malone's
opening set, and ig's set is complete except for two songs that are partly
cut (redemption songs and galileo).  lots of audience talking, though.
la-2 is a total disaster (missed the opening act, missed the encore, bad
sound quality) but has a good version of prince of darkness (emily
modified some of the words - "i asked providence to smile on the whole
world... " etc.  and the audience singing is really loud.) and of cut it
out.  san diego is at the tape doctor due to circumstances too tragic to
relate. i also taped their appearance on star 98.7 where they did soy and
ctf - hey, there's two songs you don't hear much!  i can add that to the
la-1 tapes.

i hope someone else got a good boot, but if not, i'll figure out how to
offer what i've got when i get back from seattle.  i'll try to boot those
too - you just can't have too many screwed up, inaudible 100 minute
tapes.

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hello all,

i have two tickets for the indigo girls show this afternoon in berkeley at
3pm.  they are located in section f row 5.  if anyone is interested you can
page me at 408-521-5889.

thanks

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subject:      re: paul simon cover (igc)

the paul simon song was "american tune" (isn't it great?) ... i have heard
two different recordings of it, and i'm not sure, but i think one can be
found on the blue food boot.

the only recording i have heard of paul simon singing it is on a live
recording with art singing with him... (i _think_ it's on the central park
reunion concert album, but i don't have that on me, so i could be wrong).
it's interesting, because the harmonies that the igs use in their rendition
is different than the simon/garfunkel scoring.  personally i like the igs
version better... it flows more.  but the guitar in the simon/garfunkel
version is really neat and adds a lot, too.

::hopes this won't be one of twenty posts on this::

::dances off::

peace,

andi

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at 09:28 pm 7/4/97 +1000, penelope wrote:
>hello all.
>
>anyone going to red rocks on july 17 thinking about booting????

possibly

>
>i ask because michelle malone is opening for ig and i for one would love
>a boot of her.

i thought patti smith was opening both shows.


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at 12:45 pm 7/5/97 -0600, donna wrote:
>hey y'all,
>
>could someone tell me all those little tips and such on red rocks?  like
>what time would i need to line up for the first few rows?  what time do
>the gates open?  and anyone know about some sort of *hill* that i've heard
>you need to run up when the gates open?  how thoroughly do they search?

most people line up un the road early for shows, like before 10am.  the
parking lots do not open until 3pm and the gates do not open till 4 or 5pm.
there are no bathrooms or anything else for that matter anywhere near red
rocks if you go early, and no bathrooms in the parking lot areas either.
wear good walking shoes. the main entrance is up many, many steps! since
you can take food in they don't check all that closely, six pack size
cooler only, anything bigger they won't let in. don't take any glass or
cans, plastic only. and no alcohol unless you can figure out a way to
disguise it in a plastic container. <g>

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audrey said:

>luckily i'm getting into town on the 16th and i hope michelle malone
>doesn't think i'm stalking her or anything, i just can't be in the same
>town as she and miss a show.  it's at the fox theatre in boulder that
>night, don't know what time or how old you have to be (anyone local feel
>like calling???) but i'd love to see a bunch of you there.

i don't live in boulder anymore, but i used to go to the fox theater all of
the time when i did. it was 21 and over only then unless it was an early
all ages show.
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subject:      dgtgag solo again!

ok, now here's the correct version:

b--3/5--5--5--3--1--1

repeat 3(?) more times, then:

b--3/5--5--5--3--1--0--
g----------------------------2

then:

b--0-1--3--5--8--6--5--8---6--5--6--5--5---5(hold)------1(hold)

yahoo!! tell me if this is right, ok? i was so excited that i actually
sort of kinda got it. ok, i'm off to the poo. *whew* whatta day...= )

-liz-

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on 07/06/97, i foolishly said:

>yahoo!! tell me if this is right, ok? i was so excited that i actually
>sort of kinda got it. ok, i'm off to the poo. *whew* whatta day...= )

that should have said pool. p-o-o-l. pool. water. swimming.. sun.
excitement and fun for all ages.

-liz-

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date:         sun, 6 jul 1997 12:32:21 -0700
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hey all,
has anyone out there been to champoeg state park before?  do you know
how closely they search?  i've never been and i'm hoping to make my first
boot at that show.  also , i'm wondering what time i should line up to get
good seats.

thanks,
java

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date:         sun, 6 jul 1997 12:37:13 -0800
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okay so the girls rock

i hadn't seen them in sooo looong

i didn't care what anyone else thought we went down to the front and
danced and danced...

the technical problems kinda sucked but they seemed to be having fun
anyways, and i coulda counted em's nosehairs during leeds...she is sooo
amazing.

okay enough.

the real point of this post was to say that i do know someone who
booted, and also said that the searchers saw the equipment and let him
take it in. they seem to feel that if the girls don't mind, they
shouldn't either. this is not like my previous greek experiences, but
hey, it's cool!

love

larissa

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they've been a lot stricter at red rocks the last few times i was there.
i had a sealed plastic bottle of gatorade and i wasn't allowed to bring it
in.  they make you open your bag and they feel around on the sides for
recording equipment.

on sun, 6 jul 1997, tori wrote:
> you can take food in they don't check all that closely, six pack size
> cooler only, anything bigger they won't let in. don't take any glass or
> cans, plastic only. and no alcohol unless you can figure out a way to
> disguise it in a plastic container. <g>
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hey y'all!

i just had to comment on this:
  excuse the non indigoness of it:<< some mixed-sex couples were present, but
any man not in touch with his inner woman probably felt out of place.  >>

i want y'all to know that here in the outskirts of louisville, we have a
really good band composed of 4 lesbians and their following is mainly
lesbians.  well, i've drug my hubby with me to see them many times, including
ny eve with another couple we know.  both men commented wryly on how
wonderful it was to have no line for the mens room, and they were very big
about not being admired in a room full of women -    it was definitely the
feeling of being in the minority.  thanks for listening!

bonnie

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hi, all.

well, after 8 years of being an ig fan without ever getting the chance
to see them live, i finally went to my first concert last night.  to put
it mildly... it was worth the wait <g>.  it was an awesome experience,
and i would really love to have a recording of this show.  if anyone out
there has a boot of this concert, i don't have much to trade, but you
are more than welcome to anything i have if you would be willing to make
me a copy.  thanks a lot.

(still coming down from her ig high ;)

carrie

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date:         sun, 6 jul 1997 17:45:02 edt
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--- yet another idget reviewer wrote:
the audience of about 5,000 was at least three-quarters
women, split primarily between dewy-fresh college girls and lesbian
couples.
--- end of quote ---
well awwrighty! and where was i? i missed 2500 dewy-fresh college girls?
what exactly is dewy fresh anyway? is it anything like "freshly douched?" or
"dually froshed?"

ya gotta howl at these reviews. best entertainment ever!

bad susie, bad susie, bad susie

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i just read that ulali will be sharing the thurday stage
with chris & tret, and the murmors.
wow!  good planning for ulali.
couldn't ask for much better placement.
ok, maybe friday or sat. stage, but sharing with c&t?
that is great!

deb

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sorry, i forgot to say that they share that stage at michigan.

deb

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once agian ill ask someone to boot the murmurs performance for me if
anyone is planning on doing this please email me off the list

on sun, 6 jul 1997, debra bullard wrote:

> sorry, i forgot to say that they share that stage at michigan.
>
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that made me smile:-) not exactly an amy tune, though the beautiful part was
right. written by the late great robert nesta marley.

sari

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yet another "when should i line up" post. i'm leaving for jacksonville from
olympia, wa tomorrow and so i need to know what time i should leave. when
do people start to line up? and also can you sit at that place in the very
front on the grass with general (lawn) admission? i was at a concert there
a few years ago and sat up there but i don't remember what kind of ticket
we had bought. thank you for any help.

hollie
kschultz@halcyon.com

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hola!

we had two little ig moments this weekend...after chris got home from work
on friday night, we noticed that we were out of beer so we decided to go to
the gas station/convenience store to get some.  well, there is a new one
about 1/2 mile from where we live (it's the first "new" thing in town, we
live in the boonies) so we decided to go there instead of walking to the
one closer to us.  as we walked in, we heard soy blasting on the radio!!
the woman working there told us it was a reno (nevada) station (95.5).  she
might've thought we were crazy when we started singing and dancing in the
middle of the store!!  she was cool about it though!  then, the next day,
we were driving around, we noticed that the only mexican food/grocery store
was having an outdoor party in their parking lot.  there were several
people dancing...guess what was playing on the car tape player??? soy!!
kinda reminded us of the soy video....

anyway, it's a good thing we're headed for seattle next weekend %)
batty with excitement,
rachel & chris :))))))))))

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              jul 6, 97 11:29 am

>
> my mom just walked in the door, and turned on the radio...and i hear amy and
> emily (!!!) i love my college radio station :-)  anyway, they were doing a
> cover of a paul simon song  (according to my mom...but she couldn't remember
> the name of the song)  anyway...what was this song?  is it on an album?  it
> was a'capella, and they had a live audience.  if you know what the song was,
> email me or post it.
the song is "american tune" by paul simon. the ig cover of it is on one of
the ben and jerry's newport folk festival compilations, and the original
version is on paul simon's "there goes rhymin' simon". imho, the ig sing this
song *much*much* better.
kirsten

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susan *and* computers--those had largely been the bad bits."--douglas adams

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date:         sun, 6 jul 1997 22:55:43 +0000
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subject:      stuff for sale (don't shoot!)

hello:

i'm not a member of this list, and apologize if it bothers anyone
that i am posting this here.  i don't usually run around trying to
sell things (i collect, selling somehow seems unnatural <g>), it
seemed best to mention ig stuff where the most fans might be.  the
short of my story is that my last employer was self-insured, didn't
pay my hospital bills and went bankrupt.  i had another insurer due
to a pre-existing condition, but still have to meet that insurer's
deductable even if it picks up most of the bills. if you have any
flames about my posting this message, please send them to me and
leave  the list alone.

so, the selling part.  i have some swamp ophelia lps that i would
like to sell.  2 are open and are green vinyl.  i have 3 sealed ones
that i think are black vinyl.  this is the album that ar and es
signed the labels for.  i know the open ones have signatures (looks
like ar's whole name & es's first), the sealed ones are supposed to.
i paid between $7.50 and $12.00 for the albums, depending on where i
got them.  i have no idea what they are worth to collectors, but will
sell them to the highest bidders.

i have also one radio show on cd for sale.  it's an on the edge featuring
l7/love spit love/indigo girls.  show #94-34 for broadcast the week
of august 15, 1994.  l7 gets 16:55 minutes, love spit love has two
segments (15:15 & 11:45) and ig get 13:16, with one cut (least
complicated) being an in studio acoustic version.  this disc cost me
$30, i'd like to start bidding there.

once again, my apologies if this upsets anyone.  thank you for your
consideration.

amp
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hi there,

i am usually a happy lurker but i am taking the plunge into posting....

anyways, i have 2 extra tix for the friday, august 15th show of lilith fair
in toronto.  please let me know if anyone out there is interested.

also, i am planning a trip to the cape cod area in the first few weeks of
august and would really appreciate any help regarding a beach house rental,
etc....  i have camped in previous years and due to some really stressful
personal issues i just need a spot where i can sit and hear the pounding of
the waves....any help is greatly appreciated.

thank you.

tami

" no dress rehearsal, this is our life "  -- the tragically hip

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date:         mon, 7 jul 1997 13:56:56 +1000
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hey everyone,

here are the final details for the greater sydney area
listgather, which is happening this sunday in bowral.

where:  vin santo restaurant,
        the bowral hotel
        cnr. bong bong and banyette streets
        bowral
when:   sunday july 13th, 1:00pm

i've never been to bowral but i've passed the exit
before. :)  it's roughly an hour south of campbelltown
along the hume highway, which means it's maybe two
hours north of canberra.  take the hume highway (or
the illawarra) and follow the bowral signs; if you
can't see any signs to bowral, see if you can find some
mittagong signs instead.  it should be easy enough to
find.

once you get to bowral, the restaurant is on the main
road, opposite a huge woolworth's development ("you
can't miss it!").  the bowral hotel is a "big pink
hotel" opposite the development site, and the
restaurant itself is at the rear of the restaurant.
at least, that's what the fellow told me on the phone,
and he'd know better than me. :)

the table is booked in my name (koo), which is
pronounced just as it looks.  we'll try to be there
first - i'm short, asian, have glasses and will be with
a tall australian fellow and another asian guy (my
bodyguards... haha, just kidding).

i still haven't got final numbers on who's coming, so if
you want to come along, just drop me a line letting me
know if you'll be bringing anyone other than yourself.
lurkers and newbies welcome!  the more the merrier imho.

okay, i think that's all.  see you there, folks,
sherlyn
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  there's a rock and a diamond either side of me.
  between our potential and the break of day,
  there is nothing at all in our way..."   - john gorka

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can some michelle malone experts help me get the set list
from the l.a. show right?   this is what i got - any help on
missing titles, or corrections to the ones i have appreciated

michelle malone:

blue suede
all i can give you is me
green thumb
grace
32 seconds
a la famiglia
?? - sky? a line goes "if it wasn't for the sky, you would never have
                      learned to fly..."
green
medicated magdalen
hollow day

thanks,  alison - alisont@netcom.com

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here's my interpretation of what amy added to cut it out at the second
l.a.  show.  it was different at the san diego show, i'll figure that out
when i get the tape back.  anybody recognize it?  she does it in a soft
half-talking, half-singing way:

now i know that talking makes you sick
and the weather turns to politics
and i say how we been hanging
sounds like i'm losing my freedom  (or maybe "my friend"?)
and now we watch the tv all alone
and we stay up all night on the phone
listen to the sound of each other breathing

and hey my, my rock star....

"misanthropy, yes, misogyny, no" - peter greenaway
alison  -  alisont@netcom.com

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in a message dated 97-07-05 22:53:30 edt, jmonfort@vannet.k12.wa.us (jan
monforton) writes:

i totally agree with you.  funny how people change there stories to mold to
people around them.
-stine-


<< hmmm...but weren't you telling some list member a few days ago that it
was a waste of her money to buy some cd's when there are starving people
on this planet? so you're as guilty as her, and you didn't even donate
the shirt to someone who has no clothes.
-sam  (who doesn't care if she is being a jerk by posting this)

on thu, 3 jul 1997 yougfemme@aol.com wrote:

> i got that shirt and i ended up hating it so i threw it out
  >>

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i'm still unwinding from my own pre-ig-show party followed by two days of
great indigo-music in berkeley, and i have two more days of live music in
front of me (michelle malone opening for melissa ferrick, followed by the
lilith fair).

i'm too exhausted to post set lists or reviews, but i wanted to share this
little surprise with the list... one of our local bay area list-members
got to perform closer to fine on stage with amy and emily and the band...
they even gave him one of their guitars to use, and, yes, he *does* know
all the chord changes... last i saw him he was still grinning ear-to-ear
with joy.

now i'm off to bed... more later.


john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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hey everybody!!!

i was looking through the new spin magazine with ani on the cover and
found some fun and unexpected igc!!!  first of all, there is an ad for
the new michelle malone cd (!!!!!).  the ad has a quote from emily on
it, " from seering rock songs to classic, jazz-styled ballads, michelle
malone feels music deep in her bones.  she is one of the most talented
musicians and vocalists i know."  there is also a number to call to
"check out michelle malone"- 1 888 get music artist code 0784 (and it is
a free call).  i've tried calling it a couple of times this weekend and
i can't get through.  maybe somebody else will have better luck.

now for the really fun stuff.  in the ani article (which is really,
really good!), there is a little part with amy in it (and don't worry,
i've posted all of that just for y'all).  i found it funny.  hope y'all
enjoy it!!

peace,
mandi

as always, no permission, all typos probably mine
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righteous babe by jonathan van meter
<cut>
at the show in birmingham, amy ray of the indigo girls turns up on her
motorcycle.  she and difranco are good friends.  "we both have this part
of our brain that makes us think that everybody should and will be nice
and friendly and forthcoming." says difranco.  "and then we're
completely disillusioned.  we have all these grand plans.  one of them
is the rolling thunder pussy revue.  there's all these women's festivals
going on this summer, and we don't think they're as adventurous as they
could be.  lilith fair- right away, by the name, you know they aren't
pushing the envelope hard enough."
after the show, difranco and ray hang out in the dressing room, and at
one point, start talking about their tattoos, specifically the one ray
just got on her chest.  she has an appointment in a few days in new york
with joan jett's tattoo artist, a woman, to have it fixed.  "the guy
talked me into putting it on my chest and i was going to put it on my
back," says ray.  "i think he was just trying to talk me into taking my
shirt off.  i was like 'i've been raped by the tattoo man!"  they both
laugh.
"i got a tattoo from a guy that was kind of weird," says difranco.
"this thing on the back of my neck is basically a prison tattoo: a
couple of squiggly lines, so simple you could do it with a paring
knife.  and it was crooked and asymmetrical.  and he was not very
friendly."
"did you feel funny afterward?" asks ray.
"yup," says difranco. "i felt very angry."
"did you feel violated?"
"oh, totally," says difranco.  "i was, like, 18.  isn't that weird?"
"you wonder if guys feel that way when they get tattoos that are fucked
-up." says ray.
"that's when i decided i would only go to women," says difranco. "but
then, the woman who did this, i hated!"
i can't help but notice that ani difranco seems to be experiencing some
kind of ideological shift where gender is concerned.  part of what has
made feminism appealing once again is that you don't have to hate men to
feel truly empowered.  perhaps, she's finding, it's too easy and
reactionary to always say that girls are better.
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that's all that i'm going to post, but check out the rest of the article
if you're an ani fan, it's really, really good!

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sorry about this everybody, but i gotta do it . . .

okay, a couple months ago i offered a new copy of watershed for $20 (my
friend got it for me and i already had it if you are wondering why i'm
selling it).  anywho, somebody said that they wanted it and that they
were sending in the money, but i haven't seen it.  if you are this
person (and i don't remember who you are, sorry), please contact me!!!
if i don't hear from you by thursday, i'm going to offer it to the list
again.

peace,
mandi

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okay, so maybe this was discussed already or something, but are there any
pre/post concert activities planned for this wednesday? when are those of
you attending the concert going to arrive, etc., etc. and is anyone else
concerned about the weather forcast? i'm hoping that the rain will happen
tuesday and be done. (i was going to say that i wouldn't mind if the rain
waited until thursday, but then i remembered that there is the second
show, which i can't go to, and it would not be cool if it rained then.)
ah, the joys of living in the northwest. amyray, i hope to hear from some
of you. thanks.
-sam

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i know this is late but....i need a ticket to the peir sat.july 12th and
fri.july 11th.anybody out there with extras???please let me know
immediately..you'll make two of my best friends very happy!!!!!
                                                                  lavanonda

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hi y'all,

yesterday appreciation in the newspaper included an the article on the wave of moral
conservatism in usa (title: "genuinamente puritano"; source: el país; date: sunday 6 of
july of 1997), that included a photo of ellen degeneres. i don't want to overload the
volume of the it list, so if you are interested in could consent for the following
address:

- photo ellen & friend:

        http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/club/5480/ellen3el.jpg

translation free of her lines to the foot of the photo:  "the actress ellen degeneres
(to the left), in the moment of the ellen series in which their friend admits that it is
lesbian. the microphone picks up and wide their words." ["la actriz ellen degeneres (a
la izquierda), en el momento de la serie ellen en la que confiesa a su amiga que es
lesbiana. el micrófono recoge y amplia sus palabras."]

- article in spanish!  (if somebody with good level wants to translate it, ahead!!):

        http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/club/5480/puritano.txt

bye,

mónica
msoutto@geocities.com

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well, i do write songs, i play bass with whoever i can and i do my
version of singing. i have done some studio work as a bassist (demo
tapes) and have recorded some of my own songs for my own amusement,
mostly.

peace,

dan perkins
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tour guide to the obvious
bassist/singer/songwriter

"i am a lonely road and i am traveling
looking for the key to set me free."
               -joni mitchell

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this is a very interesting discussion. being totally non-religious myself i was
hoping someone could clear something up for me. it seems to me that if i
believed that the bible was the word of god then i would be compelled to follow
those words, regardless of weather or not i thought that the ideas were
antiquated or not. what i'm trying to say is, if you are a christian then i
don't see how you can pick and choose which passages in the bible are relevant
(read...convenient to follow) to you and which ones aren't. while the bible is
most definitely "a reflection of the ancient culture from which it was written"
i don't see how some of the laws quoted can be interpreted as "not relevant to
the era in which we live today". take for instance homosexuality. i've been
told that the bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. how can you say
that this biblical passage is the opinion of man, and should therefore be
ignored, and that other passages are really the words of god (and really be
sure).

i personal find many passages in the bible to be offensive from a moral
standpoint (the bible's stance on homosexuality being one thing) and this is a
major reason why i'm not religious. i'm glad to hear from some of the more
moderate christians on the list because i think the extremists give you guys a
really bad name.

realize that i tend to be extremely black and white about most issues, and i'm
working on it changing this. just giving an opinion, i hope no one is offended.

hubie

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from: karen johanns <kjohanns@aol.com>, on 7/3/97 12:17 am:
<<
in a message dated 97-07-01 18:47:21 edt, m feeney wrote:

>        weeeeeeeeeeell, speaking from the point of view of a former
>christian (now non-religous), i can tell you that christians tend to
>be verrrrry bible-oriented, and strictly so.  if it's not in obvious
>black and white there on the pages, then they don't generally believe
>in it.
  >>

i think this statement overgeneralizes just a bit. i am a christian, go to
church, teach bible studies, etc., but i am not a fundamentalist. there is a
big difference between believing that the bible is innerrant (what
fundamentalists generally believe and what the author is referring to) and
believing that the bible is inspired by god. i tend to fall into the latter
category, which means that i believe that any historical inaccuracies,
contradictions or confusion in the bible can be attributed to the human
nature of those who were inspired to set down those words. i also believe
that the bible, although sacred, is a reflection of the ancient culture from
which it was written and many laws, especially levitical holiness laws, are
not relevant to the era in which we live today. most of the christians i know
tend toward this philosopy, although fundamentalists generate so much smoke
and noise that they tend to get the most attention.

above all, being a christian means believing in the mission of jesus christ.
that message, imho, is a radical message of liberation, not of spiritual
enslavement.

peace,
karen
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"and what does god require of you? to act justly and to love mercy, and to
walk humbly with your god." micah 6: 8

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hubie wrote *and i shifted it around a little*:

> realize that i tend to be extremely black and white about most issues,
> and i'm working on it changing this. just giving an opinion, i hope no
> one is offended.

not offended and i'm glad you ask questions of things you don't
understand.  ignorance happens when that stops. =)

> this is a very interesting discussion. being totally non-religious
> myself i was hoping someone could clear something up for me. it seems
> to me that if i believed that the bible was the word of god then i
> would be compelled to follow those words, regardless of weather or not
> i thought that the ideas were antiquated or not.

i know its not quite what you meant, but i think part of the problem
is reflected in the use of the word "compelled."  it makes people seem
like pawns in god's chess game.  nothing could be further from the
truth.  one of the major tenets of all christian sects is fundemental
free will of humans.  we choose what we do and don't do.  some of
these choices seperate us from god -- we call those sins. but we still
choose them.

> what i'm trying to
> say is, if you are a christian then i don't see how you can pick and
> choose which passages in the bible are relevant (read...convenient to
> follow) to you and which ones aren't. while the bible is most
> definitely "a reflection of the ancient culture from which it was
> written" i don't see how some of the laws quoted can be interpreted as
> "not relevant to the era in which we live today".

well, lets start here.  how many of us have ever read the original
text of the bible.  by this i mean the ancient hebrew (old testement)
and greek (new testement).  while there may be a few, i'm willing to
bet that most haven't.  even if you accept the original words as
divinely inspired, countless editions and translations of the bible
exist:  bibles for children, travelers, women, students, prodestants,
catholics, politically correct bibles... you name it.  most say basically
the same thing.  what's the fundemental difference between:

  "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do onto me"
                                - and -
  "whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do onto me"

in a metaphorical sense, not much.  yet, if taken literally there is a
rather large difference.  more on this when we get to homosexuality.

second, even fundementalist christians (the ones who tend to literal
interpretation) have picked and chosen the messages from the bible.  i
don't see them refusing to mix meat and dairy.  i know i had a pulled
pork sandwich with one the other day.  yet these things are forbidden
in the torah, the first 5 books of the bible.  these laws are held
valid today by at least orthodox jews, so i can conclude that these
pork eating christians are picking and choosing.  and before someone
says it, yes jesus came with a new covenat revealed to us in the new
testemant.  however, the same people still quote from the prophets and
insist on the creation story as literally written.  i say you can't
have it both ways.  most christian sects do not take literal
interpretation of the bible -- including catholics (who frequently get
accused of it).

as you may tell, i don't think the bible should be taken literally.
imho, the bible should be interpreted certainly in the period in which
it was written and often as a myth -- the the joseph cambell sense of
the word.

in this light:

dietary laws were there because people were dying of eating
pork, etc.  it was rather pragmatic.

the story of adam and eve is about the realization that we have self
awareness.  we know the difference innately between good and evil.
that gives us power and it causes us problems. it seperates us from god
(ie kicked out of paradise).

does this make more sense?

> take for instance
> homosexuality. i've been told that the bible clearly states that
> homosexuality is wrong. how can you say that this biblical passage is
> the opinion of man, and should therefore be ignored, and that other
> passages are really the words of god (and really be sure).

i hate to tell you this, but who ever told you that the bible clearly
states this led you down the wrong path.  no offense, but i have a
bible scholar friend (yep susan, that one) i asked to write me a faq
on the subject.  his words follow my responses below.  its long and
its his opinion...  but i think if nothing else you'll see that
nothing is "clear."


> i personal find many passages in the bible to be offensive from a
> moral standpoint (the bible's stance on homosexuality being one thing)
> and this is a major reason why i'm not religious. i'm glad to hear
> from some of the more moderate christians on the list because i think
> the extremists give you guys a really bad name.

extremeist anyones give their group a bad name -- unfortunately that's
who usually screams the loudest and gets the most press.  offending
people as they go.  no one should ever tell you what to believe or
what is or is not offensive, but where the bible is concerned frequently
metaphor, myth, and history gets replaced by a literal and eternal
meaning.  don't let people force that down your throat -- simply ask them
if they felt more seperated from god by eating that easter ham.... ;)

                                peace,

                                   chris


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don smith (my bible scholar friend) on homosexuality and the bible
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the problems with the use of the bible against homosexual orientation
fall into two categories: 1) taking things out of tetual/historical context,
and 2) ignoring complexities and ambiguities in the translation process.

oft-cited verses:

** genesis 2:24 - and the man shall cleave to the woman...

well, i've heard that before ("adam and eve, not adam and steve" is
the usual slogan, i believe.), and i just don't find it convincing.
at best, it's an attempt to argue by omission, which is not logically
tenable.  if you look at the passage in question (genesis 2:24), there
is no sense of an exclusive plan here.  the verse simply uses the myth
of woman from man, turns it around and says "that's why men turn
around and cleave to women".  kind of like kipling's _just so
stories_, if you've ever read those: "...and that's how the leopard
got his spots!"  that sort of thing.  there is no hint in this passage
of any sanction against homosexuality, nor is there any approval.
it's just not an issue.

trying to use this verse against homosexuality seems to me on a level
of saying, "see, it's god's plan for man to join with a woman after he
leaves his parents, so no one is allowed to be single/celibate."  most
people (including jesus) seem to think celibacy is a high calling,
which contradicts the "plan" supposedly set forth by god.  is celibacy
a "perversion"?  the anti-homosexual interpretation of this passage
just doesn't make sense.  it's dragging it way out of context and
making it apply to something that the original author could not have
intended.  i believe the usages of this passage in the bible, while
explicitly about heterosexual union, do not prohibit homosexuality,
unless you try to argue proof by omission, which i do not accept,
because other options like celibacy are also omitted.  the ethics that
these pericopes imply virtues such as commitment, monogomy, love,
respect, and seeing physical union as a manifestation of holy
spiritual union.  these ethical points apply equally well to same and
opposite sex couples.

** sodom & gohmorrah-

this is a story about rape, not about homosexuality.  there is a
similar story in judges 19: a man is traveling, and stays the night in
someone's house.  again, a mob comes to the door and demands he be
handed over. they send out his concubine instead, and she is raped to
death and left on the doorstep.  he, presumably after a good night's
sleep, steps over her body on the threshhold and says "get up, it's
time to go."  then he realizes she is dead, and is filled with grief
and anger (a little late, if ya ask me).  he cuts her body into twelve
pieces and sends a piece to each of the heads of the twelve tribes as
a protest that such a horrible thing could happen in their country.

the story itself makes no sweeping condemnation of homosexuality, and
neither the nt authors who refer to it.  jesus says "likewise also as
it was in the days of lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought,  they
sold, they planted, they builded; but the same day that lot went out
of sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them
all.  even thus shall it be in the day when the son of man is
revealed."  (luke 17:28-30.)

nothing about sex here.  in fact, nothing about "why" here whatsoever.
the only point here is that it came suddenly, and caught people
unawares in the midst of doing their daily business.  which, again, if
you look at the context, "likewise" refers to the coming of the
kingdom, and how it will take everyone by surprise.

one other thing i would like to add is that when jesus refers to the
sin of sodom, the context is in relation to his sending out the
disciples.  he tells them not to bring provisions, but to depend on
the hospitality of the people in the town.  if they are not
hospitible, he says that the punishment of sodom would be mild
compared to what they get.  seems to me to be pretty clear that jesus
saw sodom's problem not in terms of sexual orientation, but in terms
of violence and brutality towards travelling strangers.

further, in jude:
"even as sodom and gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are
set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."  (jude 7.)

"an example" of what?  if you look at the context, you'll see that the
whole thrust of this passage regards those who reject god's authority.
the refugees from egypt refused to acknowledge that god had saved
them.  the angels struck out against god, and the people of sodom put
their physical desires in first place.  even if you grant that "other
flesh" (or "strange flesh" as the king james version would have it)
refers to homosexuality (which is far from clear.  the german bible
i've got says they wanted to have sex with "beings of another kind".
i.e. the "other flesh" refers to the visitors being inhuman, and not
male.), this passage says *nothing* about a gay christian who follows
the will of god.  of course, you may believe that the will of god does
not include homosexuality.  that's your opinion, but i have found the
testimonies of my homosexual brethren to be convincing when they say
they feel "called to be queer".

in short, the sodom and gomorrah story says nothing about sexual
orientation.  in fact, since the genesis story claims that *every* man
of sodom was in the gang outside lot's door, it seems more likely that
most if not all of them were of heterosexual orientation, and were
just getting off on the power and abuse of it all.  or if jude is
right, they might have been turned on by the alienness of the angels.
who knows?  it seems unlikely that every man in sodom was gay, and
just got married and had kids purely for the sake of procreation.

** paul and paul's followers (romans 1, i cor 6, and i timothy 1)

the sad fact that people just have to realize is that we really have
very little idea what paul meant by the word translated as
"effeminate" (king james version) "homosexual offenders" (ni version)
"child molesters" (german unity) or whatever.  it is impossible to
tell from the context if this is meant as a blanket condemnation of
homosexuality, religious sexuality (temple prostitution, etc.),
pederasty, or just homosexual lust by persons of hetereo orientation.
timothy uses the same word, clearly drawing on the list in i cor 6, so
it can't be treated as an independent reference.

rom 1:24-27 seems somewhat clearer, but if you look closely at the
logic behind what paul is saying, he's talking about people being
"consumed with passion" for each other as a result of "exchang[ing]
the glory of the immortal god for images resembling mortal man or
birds or animals or reptiles."  again, this says nothing about the
homosexual christian who wishes to explore his/her sexuality in the
context of a loving, committed, lifelong relationship blessed by god
and his/her faith community.  what else is a marriage?  in that
context, this verse clearly does not apply.

** lev 18:22 -

this verse (and its echo a few verses later) seems to clearly assign
the death penalty to "those who lay with a man as they would lay with
a woman".  well, as far as i'm concerned, no one who is not an
orthodox jew who keeps kosher has the right to cite this verse without
being hypocritical.  what anti-homosexual christian remembers that god
also supposedly forbids wearing fabric of two kinds of material?
cotton/polyester blends, anyone?  there are a whole host of laws for
the ancient hebrew people that people today don't care about, but when
someone mentions homosexuality, they trumpet lev 18:22 with no thought
for the rest of the book.  whatever happened to jesus freeing us from
the law, as paul taught?  or jesus teachings to look beyond the letter
of the law to the spirit of love behind them?

besides which, this verse (or any other verse, for that matter),
clearly says nothing about female homosexuality, and for all we know,
was intended to refer to specific sexual/religious rites of nearby
tribes in the near east 2500 years ago or so.  it just can't be taken
out of context and set up as an unambiguous, god-given blanket
condemnation of homosexual orientation.

and that's it.  that's all the references to homosexuality in the
bible that there are, and none of them can be used to condemn a
homosexual christian who wants to marry someone of the same sex.  the
only way to do so is to take things out of context or ignore
translation issues to make the verses say what *you* want them to say.

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thanks to everybody who answered my question.  it was an awesome song....i'll
have to go find the newport album.

                                           ~jen(counting the days till aug.
20!!)

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thanks to whomever posted the excerpt from the spin article...
informative and amusing at the same time...

>motorcycle.  she and difranco are good friends.  "we both have this part
>of our brain that makes us think that everybody should and will be nice
>and friendly and forthcoming." says difranco.  "and then we're

yup, those are definitely three words that come to mind when i think
of amy ray and ani difranco...nice, friendly, forthcoming...especially
nice...niceness is really important...you can never be too nice :)

>completely disillusioned.  we have all these grand plans.  one of them
>is the rolling thunder pussy revue.  there's all these women's festivals

yeah, i can see ig headlining the rolling thunder pussy revue.

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good day!

i have a pair of tickets for the sold out indigo girls show at champoeg park
(just outside of portland, or) this wednesday 7/9/97.  i am unable to attend.

it's bound to be grand.  let me know if you're interested.  i paid $28 each for
them, and that's what i'm asking.

dean
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you make a good point about the word "compelled", i did mean it in a slightly
different manner. speaking for myself, if i was convinced (in my heart
convinced, not the given scientific proof convinced) that god existed, and that
the bible was the word of god then i would be very wary of not following his
words to the letter (the best i could). i understand the concept of trying to
live up to an ideal but being human and falling short (sinning), what i have a
problem understanding is those who suggest that some things in the bible are
"outdated". couldn't i make the same argument about almost anything in the
bible? i believe that the bibles comments about homosexuality are "taken out of
context and used as an unambiguous, god-given blanket condemnation of
homosexual orientation" as your friend put it. but then, am i allowed to
interpret the ten commandments as i see fit, will it one day be o.k. to covet
my neighbors wife because this behavior is socially acceptable at the time?
this is a crazy argument but you get my point (i hope).

seeing everything in black and white tends to make me want to say that if you
are going to profess to being a christian (or muslim or jew for that matter)
then you should try and follow all of your religion's teachings (at least the
one's supported by the bible, or koran etc.). while i'm on my unrealistic kick
let me say this, if i was going to call myself a christian i might just have to
learn to read ancient hebrew because, if you ask me, all of these translations
can't be trusted =). your friends arguments about homosexuality were really
interesting ...... lots to think about.

about adam and eve, are you suggesting that the story was a metaphor and that
it shouldn't be taken literally? your explanation of the story's meaning was
awesome but i thought the church teaches that this event actually took place.
am i wrong?

learning more every day, thanks for the education.

hubie

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from: "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>, on 7/7/97 9:36 am:
hubie wrote *and i shifted it around a little*:

> realize that i tend to be extremely black and white about most issues,
> and i'm working on it changing this. just giving an opinion, i hope no
> one is offended.

not offended and i'm glad you ask questions of things you don't
understand.  ignorance happens when that stops. =)

> this is a very interesting discussion. being totally non-religious
> myself i was hoping someone could clear something up for me. it seems
> to me that if i believed that the bible was the word of god then i
> would be compelled to follow those words, regardless of weather or not
> i thought that the ideas were antiquated or not.

i know its not quite what you meant, but i think part of the problem
is reflected in the use of the word "compelled."  it makes people seem
like pawns in god's chess game.  nothing could be further from the
truth.  one of the major tenets of all christian sects is fundemental
free will of humans.  we choose what we do and don't do.  some of
these choices seperate us from god -- we call those sins. but we still
choose them.

> what i'm trying to
> say is, if you are a christian then i don't see how you can pick and
> choose which passages in the bible are relevant (read...convenient to
> follow) to you and which ones aren't. while the bible is most
> definitely "a reflection of the ancient culture from which it was
> written" i don't see how some of the laws quoted can be interpreted as
> "not relevant to the era in which we live today".

well, lets start here.  how many of us have ever read the original
text of the bible.  by this i mean the ancient hebrew (old testement)
and greek (new testement).  while there may be a few, i'm willing to
bet that most haven't.  even if you accept the original words as
divinely inspired, countless editions and translations of the bible
exist:  bibles for children, travelers, women, students, prodestants,
catholics, politically correct bibles... you name it.  most say basically
the same thing.  what's the fundemental difference between:

  "whatsoever you do to the least of my brothers, that you do onto me"
                                - and -
  "whatsoever you do to the least of my people, that you do onto me"

in a metaphorical sense, not much.  yet, if taken literally there is a
rather large difference.  more on this when we get to homosexuality.

second, even fundementalist christians (the ones who tend to literal
interpretation) have picked and chosen the messages from the bible.  i
don't see them refusing to mix meat and dairy.  i know i had a pulled
pork sandwich with one the other day.  yet these things are forbidden
in the torah, the first 5 books of the bible.  these laws are held
valid today by at least orthodox jews, so i can conclude that these
pork eating christians are picking and choosing.  and before someone
says it, yes jesus came with a new covenat revealed to us in the new
testemant.  however, the same people still quote from the prophets and
insist on the creation story as literally written.  i say you can't
have it both ways.  most christian sects do not take literal
interpretation of the bible -- including catholics (who frequently get
accused of it).

as you may tell, i don't think the bible should be taken literally.
imho, the bible should be interpreted certainly in the period in which
it was written and often as a myth -- the the joseph cambell sense of
the word.

in this light:

dietary laws were there because people were dying of eating
pork, etc.  it was rather pragmatic.

the story of adam and eve is about the realization that we have self
awareness.  we know the difference innately between good and evil.
that gives us power and it causes us problems. it seperates us from god
(ie kicked out of paradise).

does this make more sense?

> take for instance
> homosexuality. i've been told that the bible clearly states that
> homosexuality is wrong. how can you say that this biblical passage is
> the opinion of man, and should therefore be ignored, and that other
> passages are really the words of god (and really be sure).

i hate to tell you this, but who ever told you that the bible clearly
states this led you down the wrong path.  no offense, but i have a
bible scholar friend (yep susan, that one) i asked to write me a faq
on the subject.  his words follow my responses below.  its long and
its his opinion...  but i think if nothing else you'll see that
nothing is "clear."


> i personal find many passages in the bible to be offensive from a
> moral standpoint (the bible's stance on homosexuality being one thing)
> and this is a major reason why i'm not religious. i'm glad to hear
> from some of the more moderate christians on the list because i think
> the extremists give you guys a really bad name.

extremeist anyones give their group a bad name -- unfortunately that's
who usually screams the loudest and gets the most press.  offending
people as they go.  no one should ever tell you what to believe or
what is or is not offensive, but where the bible is concerned frequently
metaphor, myth, and history gets replaced by a literal and eternal
meaning.  don't let people force that down your throat -- simply ask them
if they felt more seperated from god by eating that easter ham.... ;)

                                peace,

                                   chris


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don smith (my bible scholar friend) on homosexuality and the bible
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the problems with the use of the bible against homosexual orientation
fall into two categories: 1) taking things out of tetual/historical context,
and 2) ignoring complexities and ambiguities in the translation process.

oft-cited verses:

** genesis 2:24 - and the man shall cleave to the woman...

well, i've heard that before ("adam and eve, not adam and steve" is
the usual slogan, i believe.), and i just don't find it convincing.
at best, it's an attempt to argue by omission, which is not logically
tenable.  if you look at the passage in question (genesis 2:24), there
is no sense of an exclusive plan here.  the verse simply uses the myth
of woman from man, turns it around and says "that's why men turn
around and cleave to women".  kind of like kipling's _just so
stories_, if you've ever read those: "...and that's how the leopard
got his spots!"  that sort of thing.  there is no hint in this passage
of any sanction against homosexuality, nor is there any approval.
it's just not an issue.

trying to use this verse against homosexuality seems to me on a level
of saying, "see, it's god's plan for man to join with a woman after he
leaves his parents, so no one is allowed to be single/celibate."  most
people (including jesus) seem to think celibacy is a high calling,
which contradicts the "plan" supposedly set forth by god.  is celibacy
a "perversion"?  the anti-homosexual interpretation of this passage
just doesn't make sense.  it's dragging it way out of context and
making it apply to something that the original author could not have
intended.  i believe the usages of this passage in the bible, while
explicitly about heterosexual union, do not prohibit homosexuality,
unless you try to argue proof by omission, which i do not accept,
because other options like celibacy are also omitted.  the ethics that
these pericopes imply virtues such as commitment, monogomy, love,
respect, and seeing physical union as a manifestation of holy
spiritual union.  these ethical points apply equally well to same and
opposite sex couples.

** sodom & gohmorrah-

this is a story about rape, not about homosexuality.  there is a
similar story in judges 19: a man is traveling, and stays the night in
someone's house.  again, a mob comes to the door and demands he be
handed over. they send out his concubine instead, and she is raped to
death and left on the doorstep.  he, presumably after a good night's
sleep, steps over her body on the threshhold and says "get up, it's
time to go."  then he realizes she is dead, and is filled with grief
and anger (a little late, if ya ask me).  he cuts her body into twelve
pieces and sends a piece to each of the heads of the twelve tribes as
a protest that such a horrible thing could happen in their country.

the story itself makes no sweeping condemnation of homosexuality, and
neither the nt authors who refer to it.  jesus says "likewise also as
it was in the days of lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought,  they
sold, they planted, they builded; but the same day that lot went out
of sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them
all.  even thus shall it be in the day when the son of man is
revealed."  (luke 17:28-30.)

nothing about sex here.  in fact, nothing about "why" here whatsoever.
the only point here is that it came suddenly, and caught people
unawares in the midst of doing their daily business.  which, again, if
you look at the context, "likewise" refers to the coming of the
kingdom, and how it will take everyone by surprise.

one other thing i would like to add is that when jesus refers to the
sin of sodom, the context is in relation to his sending out the
disciples.  he tells them not to bring provisions, but to depend on
the hospitality of the people in the town.  if they are not
hospitible, he says that the punishment of sodom would be mild
compared to what they get.  seems to me to be pretty clear that jesus
saw sodom's problem not in terms of sexual orientation, but in terms
of violence and brutality towards travelling strangers.

further, in jude:
"even as sodom and gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner,
giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are
set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire."  (jude 7.)

"an example" of what?  if you look at the context, you'll see that the
whole thrust of this passage regards those who reject god's authority.
the refugees from egypt refused to acknowledge that god had saved
them.  the angels struck out against god, and the people of sodom put
their physical desires in first place.  even if you grant that "other
flesh" (or "strange flesh" as the king james version would have it)
refers to homosexuality (which is far from clear.  the german bible
i've got says they wanted to have sex with "beings of another kind".
i.e. the "other flesh" refers to the visitors being inhuman, and not
male.), this passage says *nothing* about a gay christian who follows
the will of god.  of course, you may believe that the will of god does
not include homosexuality.  that's your opinion, but i have found the
testimonies of my homosexual brethren to be convincing when they say
they feel "called to be queer".

in short, the sodom and gomorrah story says nothing about sexual
orientation.  in fact, since the genesis story claims that *every* man
of sodom was in the gang outside lot's door, it seems more likely that
most if not all of them were of heterosexual orientation, and were
just getting off on the power and abuse of it all.  or if jude is
right, they might have been turned on by the alienness of the angels.
who knows?  it seems unlikely that every man in sodom was gay, and
just got married and had kids purely for the sake of procreation.

** paul and paul's followers (romans 1, i cor 6, and i timothy 1)

the sad fact that people just have to realize is that we really have
very little idea what paul meant by the word translated as
"effeminate" (king james version) "homosexual offenders" (ni version)
"child molesters" (german unity) or whatever.  it is impossible to
tell from the context if this is meant as a blanket condemnation of
homosexuality, religious sexuality (temple prostitution, etc.),
pederasty, or just homosexual lust by persons of hetereo orientation.
timothy uses the same word, clearly drawing on the list in i cor 6, so
it can't be treated as an independent reference.

rom 1:24-27 seems somewhat clearer, but if you look closely at the
logic behind what paul is saying, he's talking about people being
"consumed with passion" for each other as a result of "exchang[ing]
the glory of the immortal god for images resembling mortal man or
birds or animals or reptiles."  again, this says nothing about the
homosexual christian who wishes to explore his/her sexuality in the
context of a loving, committed, lifelong relationship blessed by god
and his/her faith community.  what else is a marriage?  in that
context, this verse clearly does not apply.

** lev 18:22 -

this verse (and its echo a few verses later) seems to clearly assign
the death penalty to "those who lay with a man as they would lay with
a woman".  well, as far as i'm concerned, no one who is not an
orthodox jew who keeps kosher has the right to cite this verse without
being hypocritical.  what anti-homosexual christian remembers that god
also supposedly forbids wearing fabric of two kinds of material?
cotton/polyester blends, anyone?  there are a whole host of laws for
the ancient hebrew people that people today don't care about, but when
someone mentions homosexuality, they trumpet lev 18:22 with no thought
for the rest of the book.  whatever happened to jesus freeing us from
the law, as paul taught?  or jesus teachings to look beyond the letter
of the law to the spirit of love behind them?

besides which, this verse (or any other verse, for that matter),
clearly says nothing about female homosexuality, and for all we know,
was intended to refer to specific sexual/religious rites of nearby
tribes in the near east 2500 years ago or so.  it just can't be taken
out of context and set up as an unambiguous, god-given blanket
condemnation of homosexual orientation.

and that's it.  that's all the references to homosexuality in the
bible that there are, and none of them can be used to condemn a
homosexual christian who wants to marry someone of the same sex.  the
only way to do so is to take things out of context or ignore
translation issues to make the verses say what *you* want them to say.

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i found this online in the san diego union tribune... if it's already been
posted, i apologize.  reprinted without permission...


fresh ideas, growth are among the indigo goals

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dan deluca
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01-jul-1997 tuesday

amy ray | emily saliers | the indigo girls with billy tipton memorial
saxophone quartet

the indigo girls, amy ray and emily saliers, are so open, so down-to-earth,
so "nice," that you start to feel like a curmudgeon if you don't love their
music.

the duo, which performs in san diego tonight at hospitality point on
mission bay, began their partnership in suburban atlanta's shamrock high
school in 1980. since then, they have built an intensely loyal following
for their earnest brand of folk-rock.

their current tour, which pairs them with the jazzy, all-female billy
tipton memorial saxophone quartet, is to support the indigo girls' latest
album, "shaming of the sun." it is their first studio album since 1994's
"swamp ophelia."

the project represents the pair's first attempt at producing, a task they
shared with longtime indigo girls' engineer david leonard. after starting
the project with peter collins, who produced "swamp ophelia" and 1992's
"rites of passage," the two "realized we wanted to try new things to keep
it fresh," said ray, 33, the dark-haired indigo, dressed in a red-leather
jacket and a "live for jesus!" t-shirt.

"we needed to carry the load of responsibility ourselves. before, it was
always like someone was directing us."

took risks

the indigos decided to take some risks. the duo's fans still will be
charmed by the blend of ray's sweet, airy soprano and ray's husky alto. but
"shed your skin" kicks off with a hip-hop drum loop, and employs the
american indian vocal trio ulali.

the song "don't give that girl a gun" is powered by aggressive guitars. and
the album's catchy first single, "shame on you," is a bopping, rocking
sing-along that features saliers on banjo and bouzouki, and a guest
vocal-and-harmonica break by country-rock rebel steve earle.

the instantly accessible "shame on you" and the indigo girls' continually
expanding cult following has led epic, the duo's label, to expect big
things of the album, despite the fact that previous singles such as "kid
fears," "closer to fine" and "the power of two" failed to crack mainstream
radio.

but top-40 success isn't an indigo goal, said ray, with a laugh. "we'd
probably try to sabotage it if it happened. it's more important to keep
experimenting and keep things fresh."

"we do a lot of changing around," said the blond saliers, also 33, sporting
a sweat shirt with the words "girls football" across it. "we change set
lists, learn new instruments, play all different-size venues."

"shaming" is the most overtly political album from the two spiritually
inclined artists, who have long been involved in environmental, women's and
gay issues.

ray takes on european colonialism on the awkward, rocked-out "scooter
boys"; saliers sings about the burning of black churches in the overly
poetic diary entry "leeds."

their 1995 "honor the earth" tour, in which they traveled with american
indian activists and played numerous reservations, was a radicalizing
experience, both say.

"some songs benefit from more nuanced or poetic expression," saliers said.
but during that tour, "i learned that some songs need to be more direct."

the indigos are also more willing to sing from a lesbian perspective.
saliers' "it's alright" is more melodically and lyrically direct than most
indigo tunes and addresses discrimination of all forms. its lyrics -- it's
all right if you hate that way, hate me cause i'm different, hate me 'cause
i'm gay -- further strengthens the bond the duo has with the hand-holding
female couples at their shows.

"there was a long period of time where i wasn't comfortable talking about
my homosexuality in the press," says saliers, who has opened up in the last
few years. "we didn't want to be 'gay artists' before we were artists."

saliers is in a relationship she describes as "very strong," and ray, who
recently broke up with a girlfriend of seven years, is single and "not
looking."

bleeding hearts

as for perceptions, the indigo girls are good-natured about their image
among non-fans as a couple of veggie-patty-eating earth-huggers who wear
their bleeding hearts on their sleeves. "it's true," said ray, laughing.

but saliers would like to make a slight clarification: "we're sincere. but
when i hear the word 'earnest,' i think of people who are trying to convert
you or convince you that they're right. we just sing about things that we
care about. and whether people want to listen to it or not, that's ok."

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>>
"that's when i decided i would only go to women," says difranco. "but
then, the woman who did this, i hated!"
i can't help but notice that ani difranco seems to be experiencing some
kind of ideological shift where gender is concerned.  part of what has
made feminism appealing once again is that you don't have to hate men to
feel truly empowered.  perhaps, she's finding, it's too easy and
reactionary to always say that girls are better.<<

rotfl. criticizing someone who did you wrong even if that person is a woman
is evidence of an "ideological shift" against "man-hating feminism"? please.
kirsten

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this is fun... i shouldn't get started, but hey....


in a message dated 97-07-07 13:35:19 edt, you write:

<< seeing everything in black and white tends to make me want to say that if
you
are going to profess to being a christian (or muslim or jew for that matter)
then you should try and follow all of your religion's teachings (at least
the
one's supported by the bible, or koran etc.). >>


the thing here is that the bible can be looked at in so many ways; for those
who take a more literal interpretation, it is the end all and be all of
everything, from whence all humanity gets its hope in eternal life, etc. etc.


another way of looking at it (a more moderate way, anyway) is that the bible
is a record of humanity's history in dealing with god.  it's not so much a
rule-book as a story, where we can glean from it lessons about life and god.
not only that, but it's also a history of humanity's perception of god; the
hebrew commandments (of which the ten commandments were a small part) were
very detailed and regimented.  later, jesus comes along and simplifies
everything: "love the lord your god with all your heart, with all your soul
and all your mind... the second it like unto it, love your neighbor as
yourself. on these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets."
suddenly our relationship with god didn't have to include all those picky
laws -- all we needed was love, literally.  this is the new covenant people
keep talking about.  this new covenant most clearly shows how our
understanding of god changed over history and how that is demonstrated in the
bible.  as madeliene l'engle said in one of her books, we do not need to
"reinvent the wheel" by following all those old laws and views of god.  in
fact, we should be prepared to listen for new insights on god since the last
writings in the bible.  this is not to say that parts of the bible are
untrue, it means that as story, the bible talks about good and bad people,
people who are sometimes good and sometimes bad, and will include people's
mistakes and successes.

some fundies call this view "relativism" ::collective gasp::  i think it
makes enormous sense.  three dimensional, and accounts for those humans who
wrote it so long ago.  i just find that much more interesting than as a
black-and-white rule-book from god. :):)

just an opinion...

peace,

andi

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from:         karen johanns <kjohanns@aol.com>
subject:      re: music & religion (nigc\long)
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in a message dated 97-07-07 09:43:02 edt, hubie-payne@ti.com (hubert j. payne
jr.) writes:
<< what i'm trying to say is, if you are a christian then i
don't see how you can pick and choose which passages in the bible are
relevant
(read...convenient to follow) to you and which ones aren't. while the bible
is
most definitely "a reflection of the ancient culture from which it was
written"
i don't see how some of the laws quoted can be interpreted as "not relevant
to
the era in which we live today". take for instance homosexuality. i've been
told that the bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong. how can you
say
that this biblical passage is the opinion of man, and should therefore be
ignored, and that other passages are really the words of god (and really be
sure).
  >>
hubie, thanks for asking some provocative questions. please take my response
as opinion stated and not as a flame.

the tradition of questioning the laws of scripture started with jesus
himself, when he violated the sabbath laws, forgave sins, and in general
challenged the status quo of his time. for starters, the laws and rituals
connected with the ancient temple in jerusalem are certainly irrelevent in an
era where the temple doesn't exist. the history of the christian church (esp
in america) is filled with doctrinal differences based on often obscure
passages of scripture, and at times these differences have caused deep
schisms. the doctrine of biblical innerancy is relatively new and is based on
the premise that *everything* in the bible is without flaw or fault. however,
the bible clearly condones slavery and not even the most ardent
fundamentalist will argue for the return of such a loathesome institution,
even though chattel slavery is clearly biblically based. in the bible,
genocide is also ok, which is a premise that most people reject. in our
current society with its own moral code, we have come to understand the
wrongness of these insitutions, even though they are biblically sanctioned.
this is "picking and choosing," something that even very conservative
christians do all the time.

when i say that certain biblical passages are "not relevant" because of the
ancient society in which it is written, i am not stating this principle as a
matter of convenience. the challenges given by jesus to christian people are
at times extremely inconvenient. to live in truth, to be concerned with
justice, to love the poor, to take up the cause of the oppressed, challenge
the status quo and to witness the gospel can be incredibly uncomfortable
experiences. take it from one who has worn her dyke for jesus "witness
tshirt" to a lesbian march in san francisco. :)

the homosexuality issue is one of the church's "hot buttons" at the moment. i
have done a lot of praying, reading and reflecting to reach my own
conclusions about christianity and homosexuality, but i'm nervous about going
so far off-topic on the list. we can either email privately about that, or
continue to post here if other listees don't object.

peace,
karen
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
"i'm a pagan for jesus!" -amy ray

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hey y'all!
        i was just accidentally watching the opening moments of another
world and the little man at the table was looking forlornly at some photo
and what do i hear????......"remember everything i told you, keep it in
your heart like a stone..."!!!!!!!
        aaaaarrrrgggggghhhhhh! now, don't get me wrong, i like the girls
getting publicity on national television...but i am a little itty bit
annoyed that the soap's execs would use a song about war and peace and
flatten it's meaning to some lost-love thing. hmph! on the flip side, i did
continue watching. if all they played was indigo girls i might become an
another world fan!
        on a side note, i was signed off for the two so. cal concerts but i
went to san diego, then to the cd signing in santa monica, then to the
greek theatre for the night with michelle malone. the la concert was the
best i have seen them play...i'm still on the concert high! what did you
guys think?

sherri

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discovers exactly what the universe is for and why it is here, it will
instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and
inexplicable. there is another theory which states that this has already
happened."
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hello!
      sorry, i'm still having a few e-mail problems, but if you wrote me back
about that iris dement cd, please write again, because your message got eaten
by my hard drive somehow... sorry... peace, love, and butter biscuits, sarah

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my name is brianne forrest.  i was just wondering when you guys will be
joining the lilith fair tour, and if you would be on in time to play at
great woods in mansfield, ma.  i saw you guys play there on june 6 this
year, and i was hoping to see you again.  thanks.
                                                                           :-)  brianne summer forrest
                                                                                                age 17

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subject:      ig moment!!

okay, i must say, that this is my first ig moment and i feel special :)
if you aren't blessed enough to be able to watch daytime tv (yes, i'm
being sarcastic) then you missed it today!  i had just finished watching
days of our lives and left the tv on while i switched loads in the
washer/dryer.  i heard the next soap come on (another world) and could
hear two men talking..  i froze when i heard something else in the
background......yes, ladies and gents, another world was playing ig's
everything in its own time!!!!  ahhhh!!  i'll admit, i flipped out! :)
these guys were sitting in a diner and ig was playing over the "radio"..
and it wasn't even an old song or even one that you know would be on the
radio...it was eiiot!!!  teehee...okay, so that was my indigo moment :)
ttfn

lisa


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hi,
  here's my correspondence w/ab-cd planetwide and their response. anyone
else familiar with this album?
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>hi,
> i just received catalog vol. 10 and in it you list:
> "indigo girls   -  closer to fine (ep) + 3 live tracks  -   12.97"
>but i can't find it on your web site. what is it and is it available?


don-

we did have a copy of this disc at the time the catalog was printed.  we
sold the copies we had and this is an out of print title so we can't get
anymore. sorry.


thanks,
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subject:      re: music & religion (nigc)
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in a message dated 97-07-07 09:42:59 edt, hubie-payne@ti.com (hubert j. payne
jr.) writes:

<< it seems to me that if i
believed that the bible was the word of god then i would be compelled to
follow
those words, regardless of weather or not i thought that the ideas were
antiquated or not. what i'm trying to say is, if you are a christian then i
don't see how you can pick and choose which passages in the bible are
relevant
(read...convenient to follow) to you and which ones aren't. >>

the sisters taught me waaaaay back in catholic grammar school that the reason
for this is free will.  god gave man free will in order for man to make his
own decisions, because god wanted free-thinking creatures, not mindles
slaves.

i've grown up a lot since catholic school and i tend to side with neitzsche
myself.

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism

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"it's alright if you hate that way/you hate me cause i'm different/you hate
me cause i'm gay...."- e.saliers
"i said you know it's funny/i think we were on the same boat back in 1694" -
a. ray
"mothers tell your children/be quick you must be strong/life is full of
wonder/love is never wrong..." - m. etheridge
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please help me!!!  i have no indigo boots and i need to get the boot for
6/14/97 at pine knob music center!!!!  it is a necessity, a must have!!!  i
will do anything!!!!  i have great phish boots!!!!  tons of them, but i
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<confused blink>
huh??? when did we get religious? i thought this list was about the
indigo-girls... geez ( <--- oops, euphamised... hope i didn't upset someone
cause i "almost" said jesus... ):-)
kim runs to her bookshelf + looks desperatly for a bible... " i gots ta get
all informed on this subject so's i can add to the discussion"... hmmm, all
i seem able to find is "the handyman's bible... fifty ways to caulk a
toilet, and more"
hmmmm.... okay then, i'll just follow *this* faith to the letter... ta, y'all...
kim ( off to buy about fifteen thousand dollars worth o' power tools fer
sunday worship, and a very large pack o' bandages... )
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the flesh is strong the spirit stronger, so shed your
skin baby, let it through... comeonovernow!!!!... amy ray
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subject:      sf examiner review (long)

review of berkeley 7/5 concert in the san francisco examiner. reprinted
without permission. all typos mine. abbreviations mine.
******************************************************************************
**********************
indigo girls: superb
greek theatre show is both concert and lovefest
by jane ganahl

it's only right that the indigo girls have stolen a little thunder from
tuesday's much-anticipated  lilith fair with their two sold-out greek theater
shows this weekend. after all, without amy and emily there would be no jewel,
no ani, no fiona.
the indigos-amy ray and emily saliers- have for more than a dozen years made
the world safe for women who want to strap on an acoustic guitar and howl at
the moon. and even though time and experience have expanded their music past
pure folk, their medium is a time-honored one that, when done well, can
provoke tears of joy. and no one has yet figured out how to do it any better.
saturday night's show in berkeley was, aside from some technical
difficulties, superb.
for two hours, the duo - partners since high school in atlanta - conducted
both a concert and a lovefest. the predominately female audience, many of
whom seemed to be coupled, sang along so vociferously and well that at times
it resembled a huge choir. and it was lovely - so lovely that saliers and ray
occasionally stopped singing altogether, dumbfounded.
ray, dark-haired and boasting a hearty alto, is the extrovert - a veritable
female folk-rock star with all the chops. saliers, blonde and more reseved,
has a wonderfully incandescent soprano. together, they mix like a tasty
vinaigrette.
the indigos have toured previously with just their guitars, but to take on
material from their new cd "shaming of the sun" required a full band. it
seems our girls have been listening to radical new influences, like rage
against the machine, and sots ventures into new musical ground. it's still
folk at its core, but now has other influences like rock, world beat and
native american.
mostly, the experiment works out. there are a few noble failures on the new
album but live, the girls' charisma can make anything sound good.
leading into the new material with the sprightly "it's alright," saliers got
cheers when she defiantly invited the audience to "hate me cause i'm
different, hate me cause i'm gay." the indigos have been "out" for a decade,
long before melissa etheridge graced the cover of time and long before ellen
made tv history. they don't know from "lebian chic." but what has changed in
recent years has been their increased references to female/female love and
lust. makes for interesting listening if you're hetero; if you're gay it's
hot stuff.
even so, they're never content to be gay poster children. their music is
heavily messaged - but about a great many issues, from church burnings to
native americans to the destruction of the ecosystem. with such a social
consciousness, the music threatens to come off a tad pious, but the two
singers have such a chatty, charming chemistry that they mood stays light.
varying the pace from full-tilt rock (so much more proficient than a recent
show by the wallflowers that it's almost laughable) to acoustic duets to
piano solos ("leeds" by the multi-instrumental saliers was a highlight), the
indigos again and again proved their musical merit.
ray's "scooter boys," an angry, dark piece that evokes the ghost of zapata,
was particularly effective, as was saliers' "gotm," a joyful ode to getting
the hell out of town. this song produced shrieks from the lovestruck women in
the audience.
there were moments of such euphoria-particularly during the show-closing
"galileo" and ctf- that i observed tears in audience members' eyes.
but the set was far from trouble-free. ray broke a string and had to start
over; another guitar would not produce sound. a quartet of female
saxophonists' looked better than they sounded thanks to faulty mikes. and
while we're at it, a fog machine at an indigo girls show?? pul-leez, save it
for kiss.
the ever-polite indigos apologized. "you've been so nice," gushed ray. "we've
had such problems tonight!"
not that anyone noticed. the lilith girls have a hard act to follow.

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subject:      re: music & religion (nigc)y

in a message dated 97-07-07 13:35:19 edt, hubie-payne@ti.com (hubert j. payne
jr.) writes:

<< seeing everything in black and white tends to make me want to say that if
you
are going to profess to being a christian (or muslim or jew for that matter)
then you should try and follow all of your religion's teachings (at least
the
one's supported by the bible, or koran etc.). while i'm on my unrealistic
kick
let me say this, if i was going to call myself a christian i might just have
to
learn to read ancient hebrew because, if you ask me, all of these
translations
can't be trusted =). your friends arguments about homosexuality were really
interesting ...... lots to think about.

about adam and eve, are you suggesting that the story was a metaphor and
that
it shouldn't be taken literally? your explanation of the story's meaning was
awesome but i thought the church teaches that this event actually took
place.
am i wrong?
  >>

decided to unlurk for a sec to give a bit of my opinion on this subject...
admittedly i don't know much in depth about christianity, but i can tell you
(and this is one of the few things i retained from 12 years of hebrew school)
the way i've learned to look at the interpretation of the bible.  that is
that the bible wasn't meant to be a law book, or a history book, but more
like an instruction manual.  you can read the stories and comandments and
then take from them ways to live your life better, and improve the world.
just a thought...

west of bishes
shana (jak)

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subject:      berkeley concert review

following is a review of the saturday night show at the greek theatre in
berkeley, as it appeared in sunday's san francisco examiner (reprinted
without permission).  the saturday concert was amazing but sunday's was even
better - more energy, fewer technical snafus, a more enthusiastic crowd,
michelle malone, and a longer concert!  i was fortunate enough to be walking
by the south entrance to the stage when emily popped out for a few moments to
say hi to some fans - she has a beautiful smile.  but the biggest smile of
the day award goes to wendell, the lucky guy and fellow ig listee who got to
go up on the stage and play ctf with the band.  way to go, wendell!

i know there are mixed opinions about sots among fans but personally i love
the rock influences.  it makes for a rousing and energetic live show!

susan

san francisco examiner
sunday, july 6, 1997
(reprinted without permission)

indigo girls: superb

greek theater show is both concert and lovefest
jane ganahl
of the examiner staff

it's only right that the indigo girls have stolen a little thunder from
tuesday's much-anticipated lilith fair with their two sold-out greek
theater shows this weekend. after all, without amy and emily there would
be no jewel, no ani, no fiona.

the indigos - amy ray and emily saliers - have for more than a dozen
years made the world safe for women who want to strap on an acoustic
guitar and howl at the moon. and even though time and experience have
expanded their music past pure folk, their medium is a time-honored one
that, when done well, can provoke tears of joy. and no one has yet
figured out how to do it any better.

saturday night's show in berkeley was, aside from some technical
difficulties, superb.

for nearly two hours, the duo - partners since high school in atlanta -
conducted both a concert and a lovefest. the predominantly female
audience, many of whom seemed "coupled," sang along so vociferously and
well that at times it resembled a huge choir. and it was lovely - so
lovely that saliers and ray occasionally stopped singing altogether,
dumbfounded.

ray, dark-haired and boasting a hearty alto, is the extrovert - a
veritable female folk-rock star with all the chops. saliers, blond and
more reserved, has a wonderfully incandescent soprano. together, they
mix like a tasty vinaigrette.

the indigos have toured previously with just their own guitars, without
other accompaniment. but to take on material from their new cd, "shaming
of the sun," required a full band. it seems our "girls" have been
listening to some radical new influences, like rage against the machine,
and "shaming of the sun" ventures into new musical ground. it's still
folk at its core, but now has other influences like rock, world beat and
native american.

mostly, the experiment works out. there are a few noble failures on the
new album but live, the indigos' charisma can make anything sounds good.


leading into the new material with the sprightly "it's alright," saliers
got cheers when she defiantly invited the audience to "hate me 'cause
i'm different / hate me 'cause i'm gay."

the indigos have been "out" for a decade, long before melissa etheridge
graced the cover of time and long before ellen made tv history. they
don't know from "lesbian chic." but what has changed in recent years has
been their increased references to female / female love and lust. makes
for interesting listening if you're hetero; if you're gay it's hot
stuff.

even so, they have never been content to be gay poster children. their
music is heavily messaged - but about a great many issues, from church
burnings to native american abuses to destruction of the ecosystem. with
such a social consciousness, the music threatens occasionally to come
off as a tad pious. but the two singers have such a chatty, charming
chemistry that the mood stays light.

varying the pace from full-tilt rock-rock (so much more proficient than
a recent show by the wallflowers that it's almost laughable), to
acoustic duets to piano solos ( "leeds" by the multi-instrumental
saliers was a highlight), the indigos again and again proved their
musical merit.

ray's "scooter boys," an angry dark piece that evokes the ghost of
zapata, was particularly effective, as was saliers' "get out the map," a
joyful ode to getting the hell out of town. "i'm gonna clear my head /
i'm gonna drink that sun / i'm gonna love you good and strong while our
love is good and young."

(shrieks from the lovestruck women in the audience.)

there were moments of such euphoria - particularly during the
show-closing "galileo" and "closer to fine" - that i observed tears in
audience members' eyes.

but the two-hour set from far from trouble-free. ray broke a string and
hard to start over; another guitar would not produce sound. a quartet of
female saxophonists looked a lot better than they sounded thanks to
faulty mikes. (and while we're at it, a fog machine at an indigo girls
show? puh-leez, save it for kiss!)

the ever-polite indigos apologized. "you've been so nice!" gushed ray.
"we've had such problems tonight!"

not that anyone noticed. the lilith girls have a hard act to follow.

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subject:      re: music & religion (nigc)y

in a message dated 97-07-07 20:00:28 edt, you write:

<< about adam and eve, are you suggesting that the story was a metaphor and
that
  it shouldn't be taken literally? your explanation of the story's meaning
was
  awesome but i thought the church teaches that this event actually took
place. >>

that's exactly right.  if you take it literally, there are lots of
contradictions, for example when cain kills abel, and god sends him off to
wander, cain says that anyone who sees him will kill him, knowing him for a
murderer.  but wait - the only people there are, if you take it literally,
are adam, eve, and cain (now that abel is dead) and, in certain more
extensive translations (which most people have never seen), cain's twin
sister and abel's twin sister.  where then did all the people come from who
will kill cain?  that's just one example - genesis is full of 'em.  you
literally can't take it literally.  <grin>

so there you have it - tigger's interpretation of interpreting the bible.  :)
take it or leave it.

peace, harmony and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism  (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
can you show me now that i will not be killed in vain!
show me just a little of your omnipresent brain!
show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die!
you're far too keen on where and how and not so hot on why!
- amy as jesus, jesus christ superstar: a resurrection
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date:         mon, 7 jul 1997 20:15:27 -0400
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>  what i have a problem understanding
> is those who suggest that some things in the bible are
> "outdated". couldn't i make the same argument about almost anything in
> the bible?

        <  then later >

> but then, am i allowed to interpret the ten commandments as i see fit,
> will it one day be o.k. to covet my neighbors wife because this
> behavior is socially acceptable at the time?  this is a crazy argument
> but you get my point (i hope).

i do get the point, and i guess my answer is a somewhat flippant "welcome
to life!"   at the end of the day, it is up to you know use that
"innate sense" of right and wrong to figure it out.

priests, ministers, rabii, mullahs, yogi, the pope -- they are people.
supposedly they are learned and wise people.  scholars on not only
thier own religious text, but the vast body of the world's "holy
books."  these people are suppose to be spiritual guides and
counselors for what we do not understand, or perhaps show us another
side of the story to things we think we fully understand.  in the end
its your free will, your life.  and, if you believe in some sort of
judgement whether by god, history, mother earth, or those that you
leave behind -- your life and how you choose to live it is your
legacy.

in the words of glenda of the north "were you a good witch or a bad witch?" ;)

anyway, back to the holy books, in this case the bible.  be sure you
separate out whats written from what the message is.  for example --
the dietary restriction on pork.  hopefully we all know to cook pork
well done before eating it, or else you could catch a microbe and die.
this is something which may not have been well known when the torah
was written.  in my humble opiniion, that verse is out dated.  what is
not out dated is the underlying messge -- for heavens sake, don't kill
yourself over eating food that may taste good but is not safe!  you
may laugh, but that message isn't outdated.  it follows up on the
commandment -- "thou shall not kill" that is usually thought to
include ones self.

someday, someone may rationionalize their way around the "wife
coveting" thing (or someone may covet a husband which ain't written
down anywhere). it happens all the time - 'its a company pen, its
really not stealing'.  in the end you only fool yourself.  whether you
call it a sin, or just a really bad thing to do.  after all, the 10
commandments (regardless of religion) are not a bad way to model ones
life.  we can throw out the idolotry one for the non-christians. ;)

> seeing everything in black and white tends to make me want to say that
> if you are going to profess to being a christian (or muslim or jew for
> that matter) then you should try and follow all of your religion's
> teachings (at least the one's supported by the bible, or koran
> etc.).

well if you're looking for life to be black and white, you're gonna be
frustrated.  if you look at religion as black and white you're gonna
be frustrated and annoying to lots of people.  its all in the grays.
its just the way its is.  you're going to have to break the black and
white framework.  its not only limiting, its dangerous.


> about adam and eve, are you suggesting that the story was a metaphor
> and that it shouldn't be taken literally? your explanation of the
> story's meaning was awesome but i thought the church teaches that this
> event actually took place.  am i wrong?

it matters who you mean by "the church."  you see, i am the church.  i
didn't teach it to you that way.  that guy over there.... he's the
church too.  he really believes it literally and teaches it that way.
over there.. she's the church.  she doesn't know what the hell to make
of it.  welcome to gray.

if you mean the catholic hierarchy (that's what i'm familliar with),
it matters who you talk to.  there are fundemental beliefs that define
_catholic_ (e.g.  transubstation of bread and wine into the spiritual
body and blood of christ or three persons in one god).  the adam and
eve story has nothing to do with it.

i imagine its similar for christians everywhere.

> learning more every day, thanks for the education.

a good way to live one's life =)


        i am gray, i stand between the darkness and the light.

                                -- chris (doing a happy dance over
                                                b5 renewal)

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date:         tue, 8 jul 1997 10:22:20 ast
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from:         helen albans <halbans@dca.gov.au>
subject:      nigc - the church and being gay
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i think some or a lot of you may be interested in this piece of news. in
australia this week the assembly of the uniting church is meeting to make a
formal decision on the position of gay people in the church. out of this
meeting will come a decision about whether or not to ordain gay people
(from what i've heard they're tending towards yes, saying that sexuality
should not be a major consideration in electing someone for ordination) and
they will form a committee (bloody committees, i know, can't live with or
without 'em) to create a formal structure in which ceremonies for gay
*marriage* can be conducted. it doesn't mean legal marriage, more what we
know as a ceremony of committment which already exists here but which isn't
really formalised and/or recognised by the wider church.

my family left the uniting church because they were becoming to liberal and
accepting of the modern world, but i say this is great. it's going to
divide the church but it had to happen some time. ordaining women was just
the first step.

helen

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date:         mon, 7 jul 1997 19:42:32 -0500
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subject:      sunday berkeley concert -a bit long

a quick review, since i haven't seen one posted.

michelle malone was excellent.  i don't know her material, but really
enjoyed what i heard, and wish i could go to her performance tonight at
the great american music hall.

the ig set was fantastic.  very loose and good spirited. everyone
seemed to be enjoying themselves, taking chances and having fun.

they played everything from sots except burn all the letters and hey
kind friend.  covers included tangled up in blue (the show opener - how
many other groups open their set with a cover? and have a guest on it
(michelle malone) - it was wonderful), redemption song, wild horses
(the 1st encore w/ michelle malone) and cortez the killer (w/mm).
other ig classics included least complicated, galileo, land of canaan,
i don't want to know w/mm, crazy game, chickenman (2nd encore, with
buzzard verse and a fleetwood mac quote by emily), closer to fine
(w/wendell on guitar, michele malone, and kris mackay singing a verse).

as you may be able to tell, michele malone was a major part of this
show.  she played some wicked lead electric guitar (as did amy and
emily).  i thought this an incredibly generous gesture from amy and
emily and mm's playing made this gesture pay off gloriously.

the sots stuff was all very well done.  amy injected a line from brown
eyed girl into shame on you (honoring a source, another classy
gesture).  the highest of the many highpoints for me was a powerhouse
scooter boys which segued into an equally powerful cortez.  the songs
are two sides of the same coin, and a&e put a great deal of care into
underlining the point (emily had to retune during the segue, and i was
going nuts trying to figure out what she was tuning for).  sys was a
treat for me.  i knew this would be great live, and i wasn't
disappointed.

well i guess this wasn't so quick, but it was quite a day.

go wendell.

hugh barroll

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hi there,

like to visit my humble "shrine" to ms ray?

http://www.lisp.com.au/~pdodd/

please, if you have the time,  let me know what you think, but i think
everyone would appreciate if you did it privately........

cheers,

penelope

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from:    j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject: re: music & religion (nigc)
>>   the sisters taught me waaaaay back in catholic grammar school that
>>   the reason for this is free will.  god gave man free will in order for
>>   man to make his own decisions, because god wanted free-thinking
>>   creatures, not mindles slaves.
>>   i've grown up a lot since catholic school and i tend to side with
>>   neitzsche myself.

hmm, that's another 'great book' that you have to be careful interpretting
too literally! [the following is not intended in any inflammatory fashion]
f. nietzsche, in thus spake zarathustra, says:

"men shall be trained for war, and women for the recreation of the warrior"
"surface is womans soul, a mobile stormy film on shallow water"

... and other general ramblings about their sole reproductive role in bearing
the ubermensch :-)

i think the lesson is not to take anything too literally, but in
spirit/concept. this whole "fundamentalist" viewpoint or literal translation
seems wrong: did the bible specifically mention or allow listening to the
music of indigo girls (amy 2.7 perhaps :-)

i'm not a theologist, but my $0.02: do what you believe/feel to be right,
not what someone has just told you is right/wrong.

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hi everybody! i got to play with the indigo girls!!

i suppose i should write about my amazing experience
yesterday.  i still can't believe it actually happened.all my friends
thought i was nuts to drive down to la (without car insurance) just to see
the indigo girls. well, that was just the beginning of an incredible
weekend.  la was great, i had really bad seats, but the girls were
smokin.

anyway, while i was down there i had my friend make me a sign that said
"can i play closer to fine with you?", but unfortunately i never got to
use it there  because we were so far away.  i didn't even bother bringing
it to the saturday show because i had general admission seats and i
thought they wouldn't be able to read it.  but then on sunday, i decided
to
bring it because i was able to get some really great reseved seats (i am
eternally in your debt yun).

the sunday show was definitely my favorite despite my involvement because
they played tangled up in blue, and thin line, and cortez the killer.  ok,
at the end of galileo, i held up my sign and almost immediately emily
motioned to sully and waved me over.  needless to say, i left smoke rings
in my wake, but i feel bad for not saying goodbye to yun.

so i walked aroung to the entrance to back stage, andafter what seemed
like forever, some guy came out and took me around to the side of the
stage.  they were playing wild horses now.  those girls have a lot of
guitars. as chickenman began, another man told me to ask jerry for some
maracas or something, but i told him i wanted to play guitar.  so he asked
sully if it was aright and she tuned me up a beautiful martin.  i think it
was emily's.

anyhow, after chickenman was over, i was on the verge of losing my
marbles.  memily introduced 2 guests.  and she asked for my name, and i
think she said "wendell", but i'm not sure.    amy told me to strum a
couple times to see if i could hear myself throught the monitor, and she
aske dme if i knew all the changes, but then said it doesn't matter.

so we played closer to fine.

after the song was over, i cou;dn't even swallow because my mouth was so
dry.  i hope i didn't look too foolish up there, but thanks to everyone
who cheered and said hi afterwarfds.  amy and emily are beautiful people.
their philosophy of making music is among the most open i know.

i even got to finally meet some list members.  you all are so nice.  if
anyone happened to get a picture of it, i would love a copy.  i will
remember this forever either way.

wendell

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subject:      a quick p.s. to sunday review

one of the most fun moments sunday was after redemption song, amy
started a reggae riff and kept it going for quite a while.  as amy
observed, sara lee had no clue what was coming and made a frantic
search for the set list.  amy then promised (threatened?) us with an
all reggae set and we cheered.

hugh

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subject:      re: msg/mercury lounge april branch

hi everyone!

i'm the "april branch" of the msg/mercury lounge tree, and just wanted to let
everyone know that i'm back and ready to start making copies of the shows.

just email me =)

lisa
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subject:      re: american tune

gotta disagree. i love the girls version of it(especially the eugene show in
1993), but there's just something about art garfunkel's voice rising that
gives me the shivers...

sari

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hey folks,

sorry to do this, but i think it's time to take the
religion discussion to private email.  it's been
fascinating, even to me (chris, that forward you
sent was really good and in-depth), but essentially
it's nigc.

thanks,
sherlyn
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  there's a rock and a diamond either side of me.
  between our potential and the break of day,
  there is nothing at all in our way..."   - john gorka

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good ev'nin to all ig land...

i haven't had time to post for a while but i'm delurking for a moment
to offer my 0.02 to a subject that i've tried to avoid at all costs!!!

yesterday someone wrote...

<<while i'm on my unrealistic
kick let me say this, if i was going to call myself a christian i might just
have
to learn to read ancient hebrew because, if you ask me, all of these
translations can't be trusted =).>>

as someone who's fluent in hebrew...the translations don't really make
much difference either way.  a few years back one of the parliament
members in the israeli knesset got hell <no pun intended> <lol>
from all of the religious parties when she insinuated that the realtionship
between david and ....hmmm was it benjamin (?) <i slept thru
bible classes when i could> was anything but "pure"!!!  <insert huge
quotes here!!!>

anyone have any idea what i'm talking about b/c i sure as hell don't!!!

on another note...i was playing pool with my friend the other day soy
came on over the radio.  they weren't too pleased about me turning
my cue into an air guitar but........tough!!!  believe it or not the next
song was melissa etheridge!!!!  needless to say, i lost the game b/c i was
listening to the music instead of playing pool!!!!  rotfl

back to your regularly scheduled ig!

love ruthie

ps...liz...i still haven't forgotten your tape...so much to do...so little time!
oh and stewpot...i saw your post...welcome to the list!!!!

definitely more than my 0.02

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date:         mon, 7 jul 1997 22:44:24 -0400
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hi everyone,

i realized that i have a wrong email.  those of you born in may, please
note the follwing change:


<< may:            tigger   ndygoopg@aol.com >>


just so that everyone knows - my email has changed it is now

ndygotiggr@aol.com

so everyone who wants to leaf from the may branch contact me at my new
addy.

peace, harmony & indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
   -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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well, i've been feeling this way for almost a year...boy, do i miss the
list of last spring...anyhoo, i'm just too lazy to cancel myself off of
here, and besides, i met some cool people through this list, so i'm
reluctant to cut myself off from them.
   it's true, though--we spend way too much time arguing on the list
about stupid things and i don't know why. hey folks, get a life.
   i don't know.
                s

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there have been some great reviews for both shows. i have a few
observations to add. i noticed that on the show for the 5th, amy said
"someone's happening" instead of "something's happening" in dgtgag. in
the middle of scooter boys, amy mixed in words from jonas and ezekial
with the "sad-eyed soldier" and a "bright-eyed commandant".

on the 6th, everyone was in a good mood and we all loudly sang along.
amy messed up the lines to chickenman! she sang "i went looking for some
stars ...." then she started the over and sorta spoke the next two lines
to get it right. when emily started lc, she suddenly started to play
"tangled up in blue", which was strange because they already played it.
then she stopped and said, "i think i ripped off the chords from that
one. sorry y'all", which made amy laugh.

i saw wendell hold up his sign, but had no idea what it said. then we
saw him go back stage. everyone cheered when they introduced him. amy
said something like, "i hope you know the chords. it's okay if you
don't, you'll just be like me."

with indigo-ness,
leticia
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subject:      michelle malone - "beneath the devil moon" and merchandise (nigc)

hullo, all! =)
      well, folks, the time is drawing nigh... =)  in one short week it'll be
release day for the latest effort from michelle malone, goddess. =)  in
preparation for this event, i am going to offer to get it for all of you who
can't get it where you are. (of course!)  as with all other michelle malone
merchandise, i am always happy to fill your orders. =)  obviously i am not
making any money on this; i just like to get her music out to people who
don't have it or can't get it... i can get the cd on the 15th, release day,
but the release party isn't until the 21st.  i'm sure she'll be willing to
sign them there, so if you'd like an autographed copy, do let me know, and
i'll get it for ya then, and mail it out the 22nd or 23rd.  i don't know what
she'll be charging, but i assume it'll be the same as the rest of her stuff,
so that means if i get it from her and then add the shipping to you, it ends
up being $15 for 1 item, $28 for 2 items, or $40 for 3 items.  if you don't
have anything by michelle malone and are even remotely interested in her
music, i highly recommend the new album. =)  in my opinion it's her best one
yet, and i'm p-i-c-k-y! =)  so, that's the offer. =)  if you'd like the new
album, or anything else, the prices are as above and they include shipping.
i need to know _definitely who needs what by the 20th, and, if possible,
would like to have the majority of the money by then, so i don't have to
spend _too_ much of my own... i'll list her merchandise below, and just
e-mail me and we can work out the details. =)  thanks a lot! =)  peace, love,
and butter biscuits, sarah

cd's:
"beneath the devil moon"  (1997, autographed, if you so choose) - excellent,
excellent, excellent! =)  my favourite yet. =)  a definite must have! =)
love it, love it, love it! =)  i expect to be overwhelmed by the response
for this!!!!  (don't disappoint me, please! =0 )

"redemption dream" (1994 - daemon records) - "michelle's [now defunct] band
de soleil focuses on bluesy rock and roll with riveting intensity.  in
addition to michelle's amazing vocals, bds also highlights her searing guitar
work and well-honed songwriting abilities.  michelle's musicality and her
command of the electric guitar are constantly inspiring."  this could quite
possibly be my 2nd favourite. =)  if you like good rock and roll, this is the
one i recommend. =)  (after btdm, of course!)

"for you not them" - (1993 - sister ruby / 1996 - strange bird songs)  okay,
maybe this one's my 2nd favourite?  this one's a feel good record.  i put it
on when i need a lift and songs like "the old woodshed" have me smiling and
singing in no time! =)  also contains the original recording of "the edge", a
beautiful, beautiful song that she re-recorded for "beneath the devil moon".
=)  softer and more acoustic than the two aforementioned.  again, a definite
recommendation from me. =)

"new experience" - (a lot of different years and labels, but, most recently,
1996 - strange bird songs)  ne was her first record, which includes one of my
favourite songs _ever_, "all i can give you is me", but the re-release of it
includes acoustic versions of some of the songs she'd recorded with her _old_
band, drag the river, plus a smidge of poetry.  very young and acoustic... an
incredible album. =)  you want it. =)

"a swingin' christmas in the attic" (1996 - strange bird songs)  recorded
live 3 november, 1992 at eddie's attic, this was only available on tape until
last year.  but now you can all have it on cd! =)  yay! =)  okay, so i'll say
that vocally, it's not her greatest album, but it's _fun_! =)  i know it's
not christmas, but everyone should have it, if only for her versions of
"santa baby" and "the night before christmas". =)  it's a jazz quartet kinda
feeling, and it's great driving music! =)

that concludes the cd section. =)  if you don't want every single cd by now,
then i haven't done a good enough job! :0  let me know and maybe i'll get
more convincing. ;)

michelle also has tee shirts, which are the same prices. =)  i don't know
what she has left right now, so if you'd like one of the shirts with a * by
it, you might want to have a second choice, just in case she's out of that
particular one.  i'll do my best to describe them for you. =)

1) strange bird tee shirt: black shirt with a cute b/w picure of michelle
jumping in the air with her guitar. =)  it says "michelle malone  - strange
bird" across the picture in the middle. =)

2) "never eat anything bigger then your head" tee shirt: it says just that
underneath a cute little cartooney animal drawing.  on the back it simply
says "michelle malone".  it's printed in gold on either dark green or navy
blue.  i have seen a version printed in black on natural, but i don't think
she has thos anymore.

*3) michelle cartoon tee shirt: cute little charicature of michelle and her
guitar just like on the old band de soleil shirts, but solo.  it's in a
circle on the front.  the number 5 in a circle is on the back.  it's
available as a white jersey, (blue triple stripes on the shoulders and a
v-neck) a white baby tee, (cuffed in black) or a white tee shirt without the
number on the back.

like i said before, any combination of the above items go for the following
prices:
1 item: $15
2 items: $28
3 items: $40

any more than that and you can figure it out. =)  also, she has stickers now,
which are just cute little 3.5 inch circles with the sams design as the #3
tee shirts. =)  they are $2 each, so they don't count with those prices
above. =)

that's all. =)  do e-mail me with any and all questions you might have, and i
hope to be hearing from about 200 of you... =)  sorry for the length of this,
but thank you for reading. =)  peace, love, and butter biscuits, sarah

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date:         mon, 7 jul 1997 23:43:22 -0400
reply-to:     max643@aol.com
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from:         jen olson <max643@aol.com>
subject:      re: berkley shows

in a message dated 97-07-07 23:17:06 edt, you write:

<< when emily started lc, she suddenly started to play
"tangled up in blue", which was strange because they already played it.
then she stopped and said, "i think i ripped off the chords from that
one. sorry y'all", which made amy laugh.
  >>
yes!!! every time i heard tangled up in blue on 1200c, i would think it was
lc.  then i would think i was crazy.  i feel better now :-).  did anyone else
notice this on 1200c?

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