lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-07b

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date:         tue, 8 jul 1997 00:56:15 -0400
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>yes!!! every time i heard tangled up in blue on 1200c, i would think it was
>lc. then i would think i was crazy. i feel better now :-). did anyone else
>notice this on 1200c?
>
yeahhh...:) first time i was listening to it, i *really* thought i was
hearing things..then i stopped the cd, took it out...looked it over, checked
the back of the album cover..looked at the other cd..heheh, played it again,
thought somethin' was wrong with my ears then i just listened to it a few
times, and got over it..but i noticed it right away 'cause lc was my first
fav song by them - could recognize it anywhere ;)

~mik~

"where are you going meija? you got your money in your hand and your mind
already out the door" - perry farell

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date:         mon, 7 jul 1997 22:00:14 -0700
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guess i should preface this with saying that i've been to ig concerts since before the first album came out. i just always remember this because my first ig concert was the first time i was at a music performance where i was just about the only male in the crowd. it was noticeably different than what i had experienced before. way back then i was quickly drawn to their music ... well, i'm also a queer boy and i grew up with a lots of acoustic guitar and traditional folk music in new england so it made sense to me i'd like them. they played music i liked. next time i saw them was at the kaiser center in oakland. i think it was sf pride weekend in '92. i was still one of the few guys i saw in attendance however there were more men than at that first one. the next time i saw them was at the greek in berkeley in '94 when they played acoustic most of the show. i noticed more guys (i was seated up on the hill in the cheap seats.) but when the stage was rushed i seemed to be all women.

what i'm getting at is i noticed at the 7/5 berkeley show even more guys and, for the first time, noticeably, guys up front and rockin' with a+e. it's still probably 80% women, but i'm just wondering if others notice this. i'm also wondering whether it was just me or are things changing? well, duh! obviously things are changing. we're all getting older, etc. that can't be avoided, but i just noticed the lack of total wildness, etc. i guess that's a bit funny cuz i saw others say it was an awesome concert and it was, but it was also different somehow. i'm not blaming guys at the concert or anything. i'm really just wondering whether other people who've been to many ig concerts notice what i'm feeling. i also notice a+e changing a lot as they go through their lives ... and ticket prices change a lot, too (getting expensive) ... and all those things affect the mix of people.

whatever,
gerard
listening to rites of passage as i'm writing this ... somehow appropriate

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date:         mon, 7 jul 1997 23:01:15 -0700
reply-to:     gay castaneda <hac@quiknet.com>
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i wasn't going to say anything at all about this, but i must know!  at
saturday night's show i could have sworn those white pants amy was wearing
were leather...  they had that leather-y sheen to them, but i was far away
from the stage, so i thought i'd solicit opinions:  leather or not????
just wondering and not like it really makes a difference the show was
totally awesome anyhow!

so.  i went to all five california shows!  please tell me i was not the
only one...  wasn't there a group doing a roadtrip down form oregon and
back?  i wasn't meaning to go to all of them, but after the san diego show
i knew i had to!

in defense of the sd crowd, security was crazy!  they had male/female pat
down lines and once you got in they duct-taped your mouth shut... well, ok,
not really, but they might as well have!  there were too many ushers with
not enough to do and they walked around all concert long making people sit
down ?!?!?!?  despite this police-state, the show was fantastic...  tried
to be true, cut it out, shed your skin, scooter boys, dgtgag, ok, all the
songs... rocked!    we were treated to extra verses and everything!  and
the view of the sd bay was nice too.  oh, and i got a pick!!!

la:  was great even from terrace row w!!  i missed michelle malone's
opening set on wednesday due to slow service!!!!  i was bummed.  but she
did a few songs with a&e so peace was restored.  it was a real treat
because aside form the sots material they played an entirely different set.
tangled up in blue was my personal highlight... thursday night's show was
also almost entirely different from the previous two nights and at the end
they brought out vonda sheppard to do a song.  i thought she was
spectacular.

berkeley:  after saturday night's rendition of chickenman, i was fully
prepared to leave behind all my worldly possessions (at least the ones that
weren't directly realted to ig) and go on the road...  heavenly.  and i
don't even like chickenman (that much)!!  sunday's highlights included
talking to michelle at the stage door and seeing emily on her way into the
show.  needless to say, both setlists were great, crazy game an added
bonus.

if you ever have the chance to see them 5/6 nights, do it!!! do not
hestitate. it's your duty and you won't regret it!

caroline

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date:         mon, 7 jul 1997 23:40:28 -0700
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date: monday, july 07, 1997 10:56 pm
subject: berkeley fashion question, and ca review

>i wasn't going to say anything at all about this, but i must know!  at
>saturday night's show i could have sworn those white pants amy was
wearing
>were leather...  they had that leather-y sheen to them, but i was far
away
>from the stage, so i thought i'd solicit opinions:  leather or not????

no, white denim. with a little black tag on one of the back pockets... and
a wide black leather belt. sara lee's pants were leather, though. now
that i'm thinking of it...i could swear amy wasn't wearing that leather
necklace thing i always see her wearing...

so what did they wear on sunday?

elena, concerned about her interest in ig fashion ;-)

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date:         tue, 8 jul 1997 07:11:49 -0500
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hi kfs!
i just could not help putting in my thoughts on american tune, which ties
in to how great this list can be.
so, i started out listening to simon and garfunkel as a kid, but didn't
know this one, because (i think) it's a simon song only, and my dad didn't
have his solo albums. i taped that simon "greatest hits" (love songs and
....something i can't remember...) in 1990 from my roommate, and listened
to it often; it had american tune on it, which i just loved.

okay.  cut to 1993.  march.  i'm in paris on spring break, thinking about
whether or not i should return "home" to london for the ig concert.  yeah,
okay, i will.  i cut my break short, take trains and ferries back to my
flat in earl's court, and decide to buy a scalped ig ticket the night of
the concert and town and country.  it only costs me 25 pounds...but well
worth it!  i have never seen the girls before this day.  they rocked!  and
then they mentiooned that they had a special surprise guest...emily said,
"no, it's not michael stipe, y'all!"  actually, it was much better: joan
baez!  (i realise i switched to past tense here...stay with me...thanks.)
so they played a lot of beautiful songs together, like this totally
amazing a capella "the water is wide," and then four encores.  we were all
cheering our guts out, and the girls were tired...so after ctf,the third
encore, i think, they all came out (joan and a&e) to sing another
beautiful a capella song (okay, it's not always, but that's how they did
it), which was american tune.  of course, in london, 90% of the crowd was
american students abroad, like me, and so the crowd went nuts for the
"statue of liberty" line.  i went home thinking how way cool my life was.
;-)

then, last may (does that make me part of the approved-of list of last
spring?!), i signed on to this list...and discovered boots!  desperately,
in my first ig posting, i mailed out, "does anyone have the concert from
town and country, march 5 1993?"  i didn't hope for much...but the great
and amazing jude hunter did have the boot, and taped it for me, and boy oh
boy was i happy!  i walked around listening to my walkwoman with  a huge
grin on my face.  sometimes i don't even listent to the rest of the
concert, because it's all anticlimactical compared to the parts with joan
baez.

so that's my little american tune story.  the girls rock my world, and so
does jb!  (does anyone have a boot of the bread and roses concert from
last...fall?...with dar and joan and the girls?  i will clean your floors,
make your windows shine in the sun, do whatever it takes to get this if
you have it...)  oh yeah, and so does the wondrous, brilliant,
cheeseheaded susan b. marine, goddess of life, the universe, and
everything!  ;-)

later, kfs!
luv
suzi

bizarro moments in susan herstory!!

today i got a package of 5 blank tapes, no note, no stamps inside, no
nothin'....it's from st. pt. wisconsin, pob 73.

if this is you and you're sending me tapes for something we've already talked
about, could ya email me please? those mushrooms i took in college are finally
kicking my gray matter's ass

xo,
sus
frequently mistaken for juice newton

yesterday a.m. i listened to lots of ig material as an internal conversation
vs. with/to others. has anyone ever tried this?

kathy

hey, i've been enjoying the banter about religion.  i just thought i should
post a little something, 'cause i, and my religion have some interesting, and
much less contradictory views.  i belong to the church of jesus christ of
latter day saints, commonly misnomered "mormons".  i guess one reason we're
not constantly bickering with ourselves, let alone other religions, is that
we believe that god didn't just cut us off... we have a prophet.  someone
mentioned temples being irrevelent, well, we have those too.  and on all this
"old testament is irrevelent" stuff... some people have really been getting
close to the mark, not that i'm gonna' hit it.  christ fulfilled the law, and
gave us the commandment to follow the spirit of the law.  that means that
nothing ("not one jot or tittle") was lost.  the bible has a law of health,
well... we're supposed to try and stay healthy.  (mormonism happens to have a
section of scripture condemming the use of tobacco, coffee, tea, alchohol,
etc.. and also overeating of meat, stress on grains, etc.)  the person who
was quoted said that lev.'s men who sleep with men should be put to death can
be ignored, doesn't make sense.  it seems that it should still be wrong, we
just shouldn't go around killing, or persecuting them.  oh, and my church
also believes in the literal belief of the bible.  as our founder joseph
smith said "we believe the bible to be true as long as it translated
correctly" (paraphrased badly).  yes, we believe in the story of adam and
eve, and the ark :-)  well, if anyone is interested in what i've said, or has
anything confusing about christianity they'd like a good explanation of, ask
me.  but do it through e-mail, this discussion is starting to ruffle some
feathers ;-)

the sfc

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date:         tue, 8 jul 1997 09:30:51 -0400
reply-to:     michael cunningham <nypro.mcunningham@sdps.org>
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i'm a relatively new listee and am wondering how to get involved with the
tape tree for these two shows or other shows.

basically, i love live recordings and i don't have any of the girls besides
the released cd's.

anyone please let me know how i can get involved. should i talk to
"d6309" about this, let me know. or maybe one of the "month" branches
or something?

thank you sooooooooooooooooo much !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

feel free to e-mail me privately about this or boots in general:
"nypro.mcunningham@sdps.org"

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(maybe this is why they made those tour t-shirts?)

danke
mkc

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date:         tue, 8 jul 1997 08:43:22 -0700
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didn't intend to ruffle any feathers, lets kill this religion thing and get
back to the ig.

and to all those who got annoyed, sorry we got off track.

hubie

i just got home from seeing melissa ferrick at the great american music hall
and i had to let everyone know how great she is.  i know a lot of you are
already fans of hers.  but i also know some of you have heard her name
mentioned but you aren't really familar with her music.  it might be awhile
before she hits the big time, and her songs get played on the radio and her
videos show up on vh1, etc.  but don't miss out on an opportunity to see her
now while she is touring small clubs.  she shows so much intensity and
emotion in her songs, she really knows how to strum the life out of her
guitar, she has fantastic stage presence and i can't imagine anyone being
disappointed after seeing her perform live.  if you get a chance to see her,
do so, her cd's are available at the shows, you can even get her to autograph
it.  even if she doesn't play in your area, at least check out her latest cd,
"melissa ferrick +1", its available at most record stores.  you can even
check out her site on her new record label - http://www.war.com/ferrick - go
on check it out...what are you waiting for?

have an indigo day.....
rose

p.s. this was going to be sent out but cuz of aol its getting sent out this
morning.

sorry for waste of bandwidth.

i have a piece of gaelic prose that i have a translation for but would like
to verify. if anyone out there happens to know gaelic and could help me out
or point me in the direction of someone who could, i'd much appreciate it.
tx,

denise

in a message dated 97-07-08 07:56:22 edt, elena@cruzio.com (elena guerin)
writes:

<< so what did they wear on sunday?

elena, concerned about her interest in ig fashion ;-) >>

amy wore black pants and a short sleeved blouse in that currently-fashionable
odd green color. emily wore yellow leggings with some kind of swirly print
and a white overblouse. and yes, amy was wearing that leather thing around
her neck.

did anyone else see amy's blouse come unbuttoned during her very fierce
rendition of dgtgag?

karen

gay castaneda said:

>i wasn't going to say anything at all about this, but i must know!  at
>saturday night's show i could have sworn those white pants amy was wearing
>were leather...  they had that leather-y sheen to them, but i was far away
>from the stage, so i thought i'd solicit opinions:  leather or not????
>just wondering and not like it really makes a difference the show was
>totally awesome anyhow!

i was at the wed. night show at the greek in la and thought the same thing!
the other thing i noticed were stickers/pictures on the amp directly behind
amy - it had a picture of gillian anderson and david duchovny with the
x-files logo...is amy a fan, or did the amp belong to michelle malone (it
was next to an amp with her name on it).

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date:         tue, 8 jul 1997 10:10:21 -0700
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hello everyone,

well, it sounds as though there was quite a bit of difference between the
berkeley show and the one last night in southern oregon. while it was a
very enthusiastic crowd, both amy and emily remarked at different times
that they felt as though they were at a picnic and should be either out
there in the crowd too, or down by a river, strumming guitars and pushing
little candles out to the water. at one point after commenting that the
crowd's singing was so beautiful yet so fragile, amy followed up with
"...and i'm the bull in the china shop" which then led to a humor
recounting of them thinking about using the title "bull in a china shop"
for an album, but it was then swiped by comedienne lea delaria (bulldyke
in a china shop), so they felt they couldn't but if they had, amy remarked
that she would have been the china shop...

gherkin opened. they weren't supposed to and had to make last-minute plans
to come down from seattle. apparently the opening act cancelled. anyone
have any idea who this was supposed to have been?

here's the set list:

thin line
it's alright
three hits
caramia
don't give that girl a gun
get out the map
shame on you
least complicated
scooter boys
leeds
redemption song (*beautiful*)
shed your skin
power of two
tried to be true/joking
everything in its own time
strange fire (by request)
chickenman
galileo

encore:

hey kind friend
virginia woolf
closer to fine (w/ gherkin, sully, the 'perpetually available sara lee',
josh, jerry et al)

and that's it. the set lasted about 90 minutes and was the first of three
gigs here in oregon. everyone seemed relaxed and having a good time. i
think it was "chickenman" by the time amy broke her first string, and then
she broke another during the same song for good measure. :) all in all, it
was a beautiful night out under the stars. i'm not sure they were
expecting such a laid-back crowd but they having dynamics during tours
was good too, that they didn't usually get such groovy audiences (?).
maybe this was a veiled reference to the guy doing karate kid pelican
dance moves near me during ctf? who can say? anyway, hope the rain holds
off for champoeg.

all the best,

martine

any of you kfs, ignads, sods(specks of dust)/listees out there know
anything about a group called grey-eyed glances. they are playing around
here in july. i know i read something, somewhere about them but ???any
info appreciated
marilyn

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

..still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

hey ya'll,

looks like i'm going to try and head out to indiana to meet up with
suz glass sometime in august to do some recording ig covers!  anyone
in the d.c. area (or on a line between d.c. and indiana) interested in
carpooling?  no details are worked out yet, but suz seems excited
about it and i know i am!  e-mail me privately and i'll get back with
you.

mark

"get out the map, get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down"

hey ya'll,

i know, i know,...i'm behind the times on this thread, but i've been
out of town and far be it from me to miss an opportunity to give my
opinion, sooooo.....

as much as we (as artists) think the music/story is about emotion,
its really about communicating emotion to the audience.  in other
words, its not as important how we feel when we're performing as it
is that the audience feels something.  as for my personal experience,
i don't like to listen to myself after i've recorded something either
(hmmm,...could this be a theme?) but i find that the recordings (and,
i assume, the live performances) that sound best are those that
happen after i've gotten past the real emotional high of a new song,
past the doldrums and depression of losing that high, and learn to
love the song again, often in a totally different way.  and, those
turn out to best the best songs too :)

"my 0.02$"
mark

i just wanted to put in my comments about the berkeley show on the 6th. it
was my first ig show, to say the least, and it sure pissed me off that my
friends, who were supposed to meet me an hour early actually came a half hour
after the concert began, tho i explained to them that this was, after all, the
most important day of my life! ;-) oh well, onto the show.....

tangled up in blue (w/michelle)--great opener with full band. wasn't the one i
expected, and actually didn't really care for it on 1200c, but it sure kicked
butt! amy broke her first string here. i turned to my friend and said,
"don't worry, she does that."

don't wanna know (w/michelle)--wasn't expecting this one either, since it's on
the "oldie" side, but great fun. just the guitars, with michelle on mandolin.
another broken amy string.

shed your skin--heard that sample going and i knew what was coming up. very
sensual, sexual song..... yikes! had me all weak in the knees. saw michelle
dancing and singing backstage... so cute!

everything in its own time--sounded really good.  the harmonies from the girls
came through best in this song.  emily was hitting these ethereal high notes
that looked like they were coming from somewhere else!  real cool.

get out the map--first real opportunity for us to sing. when emily sang the
first two lines, my friend let out a whoop. guess she recognized it from the
tape i made her. ;-)

least complicated--my friend turned to me and asked, "is this it?"  "no it's
not power of two," i told her.  (she was waiting for that song all afternoon)
emily requested we sing on this one, and we didn't disapoint.  during the last
verse, looked like emily wanted to sing it, then heard the crowd, and just let
us do it ourselves.  we kinda overdid the na-na's, too. ;-)

shame on you--wow.  everyone got up and danced on this one.  looked through my
binoculars during the "beautiful ladies" line, and saw amy roll her eyes!
kinda funny when amy inserted the first two lines of brown eyed girl towards
the end... as if it was the first time she realized the similarity.  (like
when emily noticed the similarity between lc and tuib) i think after this one,
amy said something about how they "didn't have a curfew today.  so you may get
tired of this."  yeah, right! ;-)

land of canaan--another fun one.  major dancing in the aisles. amy introduced
this one, commenting on how you sometimes go to sleep, scared to death
wondering if the people you love will be all right and hoping you'll still
feel the same about them.  and that how when you wake up in the morning, what
a great relief it is to still be in love.  amy broke another string here.  i
swear it was her low e string--that thing was thick!  tarr it up!!

leeds--when emily sat down at the piano, she started doing that childhood
piano tune that you play with your fist. real funny. the song sounded
incredible. one of the highlights of the afternoon.

redemption songs--with emily still at the piano. man, really need to get some
marley into my cd collection.

reggae interlude..... this part was great. they 'threatened' to write a
reggae song in the future. "#001#a real challenge," amy said, "especially
coming from two middle class white girls." ;-)

crazy game--they were really going for the oldies this afternoon.  when i saw
amy sans guitar, i thought, "no, can't be."  and when emily started the
opening chords, i just had to say to myself, "can't believe it.  the uptown
video is coming to life right before my eyes!"

don't give that girl a gun--amy nearly made me cry on this one.  real
emotional.  she was tearing into her guitar as much as the song seemed to tear
into her.  my favorite of the concert.

scooter boys, segueing into cortez (w/michelle)--real kick-ass stuff.
michelle, amy and emily trading off guitar solos and licks. wow.

thin line (w/michelle)--my friend was singing along to this one. wish i
brought my guitar with me!

galileo--another get-up-and-dance number. the person next to me stood up and
started doing the backstroke!

cut it out--amy was hitting those high notes, and again tearing at her guitar.
i could see her guitar tech backstage watching her closely--"will she or
won't she?" and she did. another broken string. (4th and last of day)

caramia--powerful stuff. when the opening chords began, amy kinda looked
surprise and looked over at emily and mouthed "loud!"

it's alright--wow, the bass on this one made it hard for me to breathe! it
was building up in my chest and my throat. another great dance number.

encore:

wild horses (w/michelle)--michelle really had the crowd on her side on this
one. this girl can wail!

chickenman--another favorite.  during the break, emily had everyone singing
along with her to the fleetwood mac part.  then when amy started up again with
"on the road to austin," she stopped for a bit and explained that they were
listening to a lot of fleetwood mac from ten years ago.... or from when they
were ten.  they couldn't decide. ;-)  then when amy started the "i went
looking for a car," she messed up, and said "i went looking for the stars,"
then turned it around with an "i meant to say...." and almost started rapping
the lines (where was that sys groove when ya needed it?)!  she did the same
with the "i went looking for a girl" lines.  loved it!

closer to fine (w/wendell)--wendell looked great up there! next time i'm
holding up a sign too!

misc comments--the girls were more talkative than i thought they would be,
given previous concert reports. i'm glad though. they both seemed real
happy, too. when amy came out, she was all smiles.

someone threw a stuffed animal onstage, toward amy's side. looked like a
multi-colored chicken to me. huge smile on amy's side.

i think it was during lc that i can swear emily made eye-contact with me. it
was during one of those crowd-only sing-along moments, and i was a little
hesitant to sing, and she looked at me as if to say "come on, sing!" sure i
was about 20 rows back, and she was wearing shades so i wasn't exactly sure
where she was looking, but wow, i felt special.

that's all i can report. hope someone booted it!

a.l.

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hey y'all.  couple things -- are there any colorado people
out there who are or would like to get together to time-share
camping out at red rocks july 17 & 18 to get kick-butt seats?  i haven't
done general admission before, so i don't know what time to
show up, but i will have the day off.  also, there is the
michelle malone concert july 16, and lilith the 12th.  anyone
want to road-trip from denver or meet us there?

also, i'm trying to get my hands on color me grey, tuesday's
children, blue food, and all the other non-commercial and/or
boot tapes out there. if anyone is willing to help me out here,
i will try to get boots of the red rocks show for y'all, and
will gladly volunteer for any "tree" projects since i have a
decent stereo setup. let me know!

elizabeth
enitz@evolving.com

>if you take it literally, there are lots of
>contradictions, for example when cain kills abel, and god sends him
off to
>wander, cain says that anyone who sees him will kill him, knowing
him for a
>murderer.  but wait - the only people there are, if you take it
literally,
>are adam, eve, and cain (now that abel is dead) and, in certain
more
>extensive translations (which most people have never seen), cain's
twin
>sister and abel's twin sister.  where then did all the people come
from who
>will kill cain?  that's just one example - genesis is full of 'em.
you
>literally can't take it literally.  <grin>

i've always wondered how the world got to be so populous without a
little incest along the way, which i assume is frowned upon by
christianity. i guess we have to pick between apes and incestuous
ancestors. i think i'll go for the monkeys.

elizabeth

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could someone tell me if donations are still being accepted for billings
house, and if they're not, what the address is so i can send my donation
privately? thank you!
sue
jgharney@iquest.com

tempers flare, various quotable people invoked, contradictions and hypocrisy
abound

yet relgious debate is ever so intriguing when people have open minds and
realize that everything is open to interpretation...

i haven't been following the religion debate, well, religiously, but my ears
did perk up when fredrich nietzche entered the discussion...

tigger, i know you concur with nietzche's doctrine of free will, but what
about his statements that "the gods are dead" and the concept of the overman?
(gosh, i fumed quite a bit when i read the status of women and their
shallowness in "thus spoke zarathustra") just curious...

and one more thing, should we all try to limit nigc on the list? in my
humble opinion, i realize that the purpose of the list is the indigo girls,
however many days there is not enough new information about them, and i look
to the list to discuss some fresher and newly related topics. after all, i
had seen that we "wouldnt want to write anything amy and emily wouldnt want
to read" and i think they would become bored after reading about themselves
all day!

just my $.03 (i rambled a bit today)

celeste

i just heard this on 105.1 fm, the buzz, in ny, after they played shame on
you..."they just sold 2 million copies of their new album, shaming of the
sun, more than any other cd for the indigo girls." yay! :)

andi

  -_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-
                                  andrea lipman
                        e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
                 homepage: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman

              "together, [amy ray and emily saliers] mix like a
                       tasty vinaigrette."-jane ganahl
  _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

okay....to prolong my ig week in some way, i'm going to join in the amy pants
debate.
at the 2nd l.a. show she wore the white pants, i also thought they were
denim, by the look of them and because of the tag on the back pocket.  but
after the show, my g/f and i were discussing it and she said they were
leather, that if you looked closely you could see they didn't have as much
"give" as denim does when they bend.  of course, as i always do, i figured
she didn't know what she was talking about ;-)  .  well than along comes amy
and wears the same pants to the 1st berkeley show and sure enough i paid more
attention and they were leather, but they really did look like denim.   now
that i've spent far too much time on this subject, i'll retreat into the
shadows again...

have an indigo day....

rose

anyone in need of a ticket for the july 17th show at red rocks??? i have
a general admission ticket that i'll let go for real cheap.

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hi all,

i recently got the above mentioned cd used for a buck, which i thought was
quite the bargain for the rockin' in the free world (w/ ig) track.  i'm
looking for someone willing to make a color copy of the front insert for
me, since it was apparently lost in transit!  i have the back leaflet with
the back blue and yellow design, and a big square orange sticker on the
cover.  if any of you would be so kind, i'm sure we could find a suitable
way to repay you!

thanks!
caroline

>if you take it literally, there are lots of contradictions [in the bible]<

that is a correct statement.  i wrote a research paper about it. i'm sorry,
this is more nigc, but i have been meaning to say somehting for a while, but
didn't have the time to sit down and write anything...
there is just one thing that i have been wanting to say...christ's lesson
was simplicity.  when you take out bits and peices of what he said, you're
missing the whole point by making everything complex.  before you can
understand christ, you have to know all you can possibly know about him.
it's the same thing with the bible.  it's like solving a really hard math
problem with the math skills of a 5 year old.  you aren't likely to get the
right answer.  i'm not saying that i know everything about jesus.  i don't
claim to.  but i don't go around quoting verses from the bible to prove a
point either.  i don't claim to know a lot about the bible.  i started to
read it when i was 15, but i stopped.  i have many reasons why i stopped,
and i don't want to get started on that.
i also think that most every religion has the same destination.  i don't
htink that you have to eblieve in jesus to be rewarded, nor do you have to
be jewish, or mormon, or pagan.  it's all with what you feel in your heart.
not every religion is right for everyone.  there's nothing wrong with being
christian, or indian, or wiccan, or muslim or anything.   and for that
belief i am supposidly going to hell (or so my teacher told me last year).
i just wish that people would stop thinking that they have a better ticket
in paradise (or whatever you wanna believe about that)  than others just
because they believe that their religion is the right one.  because there is
no right one.  everyone is right as long as you believe  it.  that's when
you become spiritual (which i think is one of the most important things).
that's when you can love anyone and be loved back.
but see, that's just my religion.  that's what i believe.  anyone can
believe what they want to. and i love them for that.  even if they damn me
to hell and tell me i'm diseased because i'm gay.  if that's what they think
will be their ride to whatever they are looking for, then
                              so be it.
any questions?
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> >yes!!! every time i heard tangled up in blue on 1200c, i would think it was
> >lc. then i would think i was crazy. i feel better now :-). did anyone else
> >notice this on 1200c?

yes!  i'm so glad this was posted because i am no musician and i thought i
was crazy too.  after hearing lc twice in san diego and la, when michelle
came out for the unexpected tangled encore, i was thinking "why are they
doing lc twice in one show?"  i never noticed the similarity on 1200cs.

i fell for it again when i was listening to my boot attempt.  i also
heard for the first time the part of caramia that sounds just like the
beginning of mystery, like someone was claiming a while back.  it's
true - when you listen to them a bunch of times in close proximity you
can hear it.   and, i was also fooled by a similarity between closer to
fine and something else - maybe don't wanna know - i have to listen again
to convince myself of that one.

"misanthropy, yes, misogyny, no" - peter greenaway
alison - alisont@netcom.com

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>the audience of about 5,000 was at least three-quarters
>women, split primarily between dewy-fresh college girls and lesbian
>couples.
>
>some mixed-sex couples were present, but any man not in touch with
his
>inner woman probably felt out of place.

i'm not sure, but i'm think i'm feeling uncomfortable about this
whole review, considering i was there with my (platonic) best friend
and my dad!!!  i don't think i like being referred to as a couple
with either of them.  i'm also not sure how my dad's inner woman
feels about it, but i guess i could ask.  i'll just have to dope him
up with lilith fair-type performers so she'll make an appearance.  my
dad said he thought he was possibly the only male, probably the only
heterosexual, and definately twice the age of everyone there.  from
this review, i'd say he was right.  of course, i guess the reviewer
didn't really see him since he left our seventh row seats after about
two songs to listen from the lawn where the decibel level was more
his style.  i guess that's what happens when you get old.  :)
no more rambling for now...

elizabeth

p.s. not to stereotype, but the row of about nine girls in front of
us were definately dewy-fresh, but, unless they were earth-
shatteringly brilliant, were a long way from college age. they were
about the only example of dew i saw at the show (unless you count
that teensy torrential downpour).

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hey y'all-

is anyone else out there on the epic mailing list?
this is the site you can subscribe to through the ig site...

just curious....

thanks-
karrie

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hey everyone,

annalissa said, in regards to sunday's show at berkeley:
>chickenman--another favorite.  during the break, emily had everyone singing
>along with her to the fleetwood mac part.  then when amy started up again with
>"on the road to austin," she stopped for a bit and explained that they were
>listening to a lot of fleetwood mac from ten years ago.... or from when they
>were ten.  they couldn't decide. ;-)  then when amy started the "i went

which fleetwood mac song was it?  i used to be obsessed with
the mac - right before i became obsessed with the girls,
actually.  i can't believe it was almost ten years ago... and
at that, i missed their best years by about a decade!  my
guess is that a&e've been listening to "rumours" and/or
"fleetwood mac", which imho are still two of the best damn
albums ever made.  i think "rumours" came out in '77 and fm
in '75, which would put them roughly in the "when a&e were
ten" category.

about the to-nigc-or-not-to-nigc thing -

celeste pietrusza said:
>and one more thing, should we all try to limit nigc on the list? in my
>humble opinion, i realize that the purpose of the list is the indigo girls,
>however many days there is not enough new information about them, and i look
>to the list to discuss some fresher and newly related topics. after all, i

well, the list has always been fairly free and easy about
accepting nigc conversation, but i think there comes a point
in most nigc threads where the discussion is best taken to
private email.

in the example of the religion thing - yes, it's been
interesting and i think a lot of people on the list were a
fascinated as i was by some of the discussion and arguments
brought up. but yes, the primary purpose of this list is to
discuss the music of the indigo girls, and when the
discussion starts to get too esoteric for joe and josephine
average it should probably be taken to private mail. this
goes for other nigc subjects too - for example, discussing
other artists.

in general i think it's safe to say that it's usually okay
to start nigc discussions on the list, but after a few posts
it's probably best to take it to private mail and let the
list move on to other things.

that said, here's a couple of nigc bits of my own -

from the dar williams list:
>mark your calenders for sunday, july 20 at 8 pm. that's when dar's
>recent madison concert will be broadcast as part of the mad city live
>series on 105.5 triple m in madison.

and from the folk_music list:
>subject: interview on the net with susan werner on eclectic hours:
>
>this sunday, july 13th!
>
>heard sundays 9am to 11am et on webr - fairfax ,virginia cable/internet
>radio heard over media general ch 37 and jones cable ch 27 in reston, va
>(& 94.5cable fm), or
> live on the internet via realaudio3.0 at www.axsamer.org/webr/

is there anybody out there in the appropriate radio
areas who'd be willing to tape either of these (but
especially the susan interview) for me?

that's all for now - happy happy everyone,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"between my potential and the deep blue sea,
  there's a rock and a diamond either side of me.
  between our potential and the break of day,
  there is nothing at all in our way..."   - john gorka

public post alert*****

bridget!! are you out there? i've lost your address and not heard from you
in a few days.....hope you're ok....

write me!

helen
halbans@dca.gov.au

i think everyone missed my point on neitzche!!!!! :) totally & entirely my
fault!!!!!!! don't hate me!!!!!!!!

when i said i sided with neitzsche, i was referring to that infamous quote
"god is dead and we must wage war on the christians."

sorryyyy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace, harmony and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
can you show me now that i will not be killed in vain!
show me just a little of your omnipresent brain!
show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die!
you're far too keen on where and how and not so hot on why!
- amy as jesus, jesus christ superstar: a resurrection
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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sorry if this was posted already....
this is copied w/out permission...typos are mine...

(wxpn (88.5) is a member-supported public radio station
in philadelphia....and is quite awesome i might add!)

     "shaming of the sun is the ig's 6th full-length album
since their 1987 major label debut, strange fire. on it
they continue to write well crafted pop songs that merge
personal and sexual politics with social concerns. the indigos
have delivered one of their most musically eclectic albums to
date as sweeping string sections, raw electric guitar power,
acoustic hip-hop beats and rustic banjo picking emerge
throughout 12 passionate songs.
     recorded in nashville, austin, and atlanta, amy ray and
emily saliers assembled drummer jerry marotta and bassist
sara lee with a host of terrific guests: country-rock
troubadour steve earle, violinist lisa germano, atlanta bands
smoke and the rock-a-teens and ulali, a native american
vocal ensemble.
     sots is a triumph of an integrated vision, one that blends
the personal and the political and one that draws from a
tapestry of elements including folk, rock, world and indiginous
music. from the rocking "shame on you" (influenced by
van morrison's "brown-eyed girl") and the gorgeous ballad
"hey kind friend," to the hip-hop swagger of "shed your skin,"
amy and emily continue to create remarkable music."  end

there was also a review of ani d's new release....e-mail me
privately if interested in reading it....

:) eric

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> could someone tell me if donations are still being accepted for billings
> house, and if they're not, what the address is so i can send my donation
> privately? thank you!

donations are still being accepted for emily's birthday present. please
remember to make the checks out to billings house. and send them to:

deb reiser
3166 north 89th st.
milwaukee, wi 53222

we've almost hit the $2000 mark!!!! keep those donations coming guys, i
know we can top what we raised for amy's birthday.

peace,
mandi

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recently on another list a listee offered to copy an episde of an american
show that has not been seen here yet. i like others was very excited at the
prospect of getting to see the episode soon. all the lister wanted was an
address to send the tape. i offered reimbursement for the tape and postage
but it was rejected.
since then even after repeated emails attempting a response, i have had no
contact with the other lister(who is also on this list)
i am concerned about someone using false means to receive personal info.
beware it doesnt happen to you.
jen

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hey ya"ll,

just got home from all 5 california shows and the jacksonville show.
going through withdrawl on this day off until it's back to oregon
tomorrow. sounds like rain must be predicted for champoeg. that would
be a big drag. of course you never know about seattle either, right now
they say sun, but it's raining right now.

just read all the great reviews and most of the highlights were covered
well.  just had to jump in and confirm that amy's pants are definately
leather!!   we were debating it in la, then pretty sure in berkeley, but
we were so close in jacksonville there was no mistaking it.  sara has
worn her black leather to all the shows except the sunday afternoon
greek show, when it was a little hot out for them.  i love those day
shows.  took 3 rolls of pictures(that day) so i'm hoping for good
results.   oh and wendall was great on the guitar!  i knew when they
said his name, it was wendall off of this list.  i'll let you know if i
got a picture of it wendall.  seems like i might have already run out of
film:(      anyway enough for now.  see you on the road!!  mel

oh and i have one extra ticket for champoeg 7/10, but would probably
have to meet up with a buyer at the 7/9 or right before the 7/10 show.
e-mail before 2pm on 7/9 if you're interested.

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hello all
got back from jacksonville, oregon tonight, and it was wonderful!  but i
kinda wish (& who doesn't) i had the experience wendell had...yeah for
you!  the whole trip was a big yeah for me, but i must say i was
disappointed with my friend who is not a die hard ig fan like i am.  she
convinced me that we would be able to get decent spots on the ga lawn,
even if it wasn't in the front, and that we should hang out at the lake
(applegate resevoir) instead.  so concert naive little me went along
with that and as we were driving into the small, tiny little town of
jacksonville, we saw the line snaking down toward the street...it was
soooooo loooonnnngggg.  my spirits fell instantly. but wait it gets
worse!  i read over the venue rules and procedures way ahead of time,
but forgot that the upper gates to the upper lawn opened 5 whole minutes
later than the lower gates.  stupid, stupid, dumb me was so upset that i
lead us to the upper gate to wait to get a decent spot in the back.
well, the front/lower gates opened and the spots in the front (infront
of the reserved benches) were instantly filled with running excited
sweating (it was hot!) die hard fans, then the rest (about 70% of the
audience) of the overflow from the lower gates got the decent spots in
the upper lawn!  we got a crappy sort of spot where i couldn't see
anything.  i was so sad, and got very quiet which is somewhat
uncharacteristic of me.  while drinking some very good local wine and
looking around, i spotted a better lawn area on the side, so i forced my
friend to move lower, but she wasn't happy either.

so sorry this is taking forever...it's really not a review of the
concert, except to say that they were expecting us to sing in three
different songs, and was sadly disappointed with all except ctf. it was
kinda sad...or maybe it was the crowd where i was.

ok, to finish here, the night got much better for me...=)  at the last
song, i moved up to the front lawn, and got right up to the stage after
the girls left.  sully was really bookin' it off and on the stage,
putting things away, and she was so far that i couldn't get to talk with
her, but i did notice that amy had a different tech, and he was right
near the stage, so finally i got his attention, and asked for the set
list?...no...a pick?...sorry none left.  i wasn't going to go away with
out a special memory so i just stood there.  i then asked if he was new,
and he said that this was his first year.  and i commented something
stupid like, how fun, or cool.  about two minutes later after just
standing near the stage looking hopeful at every person who passed on
the stage...asking for a pick, he leaned down and pressed a pick
(not-used) into my palm.  i looked up and he winked at me.  i gasped and
thanked him.  i was happy, happy, happy!  i collected myself, and waited
to get his attention.  asked his name..."trace" (like on a piece of
paper), he said.  then i said "thank you" and winked back.  ahhh, all
this writing to get to this high point, which may be nothing to you all
who are still reading, but the closest ig moment i've come to having.

ok, the lesson to be learned is...1) if you're going to see a concert of
a group you really like, go with people who are equally excited about it
as you are, or go alone (well maybe not alone, but make it your goal to
get them equally excited about waiting in long lines and waiting for a
long time).  2) leave plenty of time to wait in line/even if you have to
be the only person in line (well, ok, maybe wait til a small group of
people are already there).  3) always take the opportunity to boot a
show when given one...always be prepared.  (the minute we were to leave
for the show, my friend, out of the blue, asked if i wanted to borrown
her tape recorder...wow!  but when i saw the long line--which went about
2-3 blocks, my mind stopped working...and i forgot to buy blank
cassettes, and i forgot to even pack it!  i realized that i had
forgotten it right as the gates were opening.  although the little
brochure and signs around the venue said no pictures or taping of the
show, security was really relaxed and i could have taped it without
being caught.  but i forgot it in the car, in the baking sun, about 1/2
miles away.) =(  & 4)  make the best of what you've got...i started out
being disappointed and sad...but as soon as the music started going with
ghurkin (sp?), i decided that i should have fun where ever i was...plus
i was a bit buzzed on the great local white wine =).

thats all

sorry it's so long....had to get it out to people who may understand
what i went through.
good night!
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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with respect (and apologies for the failure on my part of your getting your
video) - i did muck up sending out 7 of the 52 dumps that i did of the puppy

episode of ellen.  the ig video is finally ready to go out and it is fine
and there  should be no problems.  i had to dump over 30 copies of the ppv
from an ntsc
master and it was involved as we wanted to not get crappier resolution -
meant
we didn't want it to be a multi-generational dump.  there should be no
reason
why you dont get it pretty much right away.  but do please let me know if
you
don't and hopefully i wont be as crappy as i have with jenny (again massive
apologies).

i would just like to suggest that the ig video is only now ready to go out
so don't panic if you dont get it tomorrow - and i am unsure of how long it
will take for the people outside of australia. as i had mentioned on the
ellen
list i was in hospital for a week and this threw out my work schedule and
got
me behind with people sending me reminders (i had about five thousand
messages
when i got back to my computer) - this is not anyone's problems - least of
all
jenny's, but i just wanted to explain. this however should not affect me
sending
out the ig vids ontime.

thanks for your time. if you dont get it in a couple of weeks, please
complain
and let me know. thanks for your time.

regards,
sandy

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snip

> it's alright
> three hits
> caramia
> don't give that girl a gun
> get out the map
> shame on you
> least complicated
> scooter boys
> leeds
> redemption song (*beautiful*)
> shed your skin
> power of two
> tried to be true/joking
> everything in its own time
> strange fire (by request)
> chickenman
> galileo
>
> encore:
>
> hey kind friend
> virginia woolf
> closer to fine (w/ gherkin, sully, the 'perpetually available sara lee',
> josh, jerry et al)

i can't believe they played three hits, joking & strange fire ...

somebody please tell me they booted this ...

jules

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hello again,

just wanted to thank those kind people who emailed me re my ar
site........you are tooo kind!

on another matter altogether, does anyone have the chords for any
kristen hall stuff? i was lucky enough to be introduced to her music
whilst on my ig sojourn, got home, bought a guitar and now want to
extend my very humble repertoire.

patience is a virtue, or so i'm told......so give sandy a break......

and last, but not least, maren, are you out there.........did you ever
send those tapes?????

cheers,

penelope

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all -

in defence of booters and tape tree branches, whom it might seem
are gonna start getting a rough deal here, i'm gonna comment before the
fur truly starts flying.

if someone is kind enough to put in any amount of time, effort
and energy into providing you with a boot then be patient. these things
do take time. least of all the fact that the branch can get swamped with
requests, i've beena branch.

also consider how far away they are both from the root of the
tree .. and from you i.e. what is the travel time of the package.

boots cannot generally be done on high speed options. the sound
quality of most boots is dubious enough before we start making mutiple
copies of who knows what generation.

lastly if you don't wanna run the risk of telling a complete
stranger your address don't ask for the boot. as with everything there is
a price to pay, nothing in this world comes free and if the price of a
boot is some one, you hope you can trust, knowing your address then weigh
up that risk.

finally, and this has got a bit long. all good things do come to
those who wait. in my experience, and i have been here for two years now
and traded a far bit, we can all be trusted to do the right thing. in real
terms all you might loose out on is the cost of the tape and the price of
a stamp ... what you are for more likely to receive is a precious item
that might even be the gig you were at. just think how wendell will feel
if somebody offers a boot of the show he played at.

ok it got long and it rambled but it made it point

jules

        when you learn to love yourself
        you will dissolve all the stones that are cast ..
                                                amy ray

hi bob and betty!

i was wondering if any of y'all could clue me in as to whether the july17th red
rocks show is sold out. i can't go now because i is po, but irony of all
ironies my beloved sister is moving to denver friday and wants to go
vicariously for me...

also, did they open up shows on the 18th or 19th?

sorry, my web access is down so i don't have any way to confirm this. email me
privately if you have info-

xo, sus

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>on another matter altogether, does anyone have the chords for any
>kristen hall stuff?

check out the following sites for kristen hall chords:
http://www.gapeach.com/~moj//indie/
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/gregorysteele/hall_indx.htm
amy

hey everyone in the tri-state area !!!

commonbond will be performing at henrietta hudson's tonight in nyc from 9pm -
12midnight ...

henrietta's is on the corner of hudson & morton in greenwich village ...

to my knowledge, there is no cover charge before 8pm ...

i'll be driving in from ct and i should be there by 8pm if anyone's going and
want's to meet up ....

i won't be online again until later this afternoon .... so leave me e-mail if
you think you'll be there !!!

chris

well, lois and i will be heading off on our alabama/florida vacation
either tomorrow afternoon or friday morning. i just wanted to thank all
of you who replied to my request for information regarding suggestions
for our trip.

a big hug to the following people:

windy kemp (windyk@pharmacy.com)
catherine card (pccard@ucla.edu)
amy copeland (lady@nervm.nerdc.ufl.edu)
lynne (lynnep@interlog.com)
twink/bridget (bf2brland@sprintmail.com)
jackie cartwright (cloudwatcher@juno.com)
resa mason (rmason1106@aol.com)
jill pullen (jpullen@mindspring.com)
trisha bergmann (bergmann@coral.rutgers.edu)

thanks to the suggestions from the wonderful people listed above, i'm
sure we will have a great vacation in the orlando area!

angela
(ugosister@juno.com--indigo girls mailing list)
(mslindahl@juno.com--ellen degeneres mailing list)

linda m. mcdaniel
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set indigo-girls mail

i heard the same thing and the same station. they are becoming so popular!
props to the girls!
-stine-

in a message dated 97-07-09 10:36:59 edt, ablipman@sas.upenn.edu (andi)
writes:

<< i just heard this on 105.1 fm, the buzz, in ny, after they played shame on
you..."they just sold 2 million copies of their new album, shaming of the
sun, more than any other cd for the indigo girls." yay! :) >>

ok, i need to know if anyone else out there ordered something from the
tmm/ht people up in rhode island. i did, and haven't received anything
yet, nor a response to my two emails asking when i could expect the
merchandise. i'm beginning to feel i've gotten ripped... :(

please email me privately.
amy
stu6361@westga.edu

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hey all - sorry about this...
i'm looking for melissa giles.
hey melissa, i sent you your video and haven't heard back from you.
can you please email me & let me know what's up?

thanks y'all!
twink! ;-)

**********
  amy:  "i'm always kicking things over!"
emily:  "you're so rowdy!"
  amy:  "sprawlin'... flailin'..."
**********

is anyone from the list going today? i will be in loge 6, row vv i might be
wearing my new ig t-shirt (the green one).

pat

check it out...............aug 27th bob dylan and ani
d.// aug 28th rage against the machine............yippy
skippy................brian

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>i'm not sure, but i'm think i'm feeling uncomfortable about this
>whole review, considering i was there with my (platonic) best friend
>and my dad!!!

this reminded me of the austin-backyard concert a few weeks ago.  my
friends and i were sitting behind a 35-40ish looking man and his 8-10ish
year old son.  it was really cool.  there were a number of kids sitting in
front of us actually, and they seemed to enjoy the concert a lot.  i just
thought it was really cool to see a father taking his son to an ig concert.
i wish my dad had done that!

indigo smiles,
amy

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>
> << i just heard this on 105.1 fm, the buzz, in ny, after they played shame on
> you..."they just sold 2 million copies of their new album, shaming of the
> sun, more than any other cd for the indigo girls." yay! :) >>

does anybody else think this might be wrong?  "indigo girls" just went
double platinum (which is either 2 million copies or 2 million dollars, i
get it confused).  we haven't even heard of sots going gold or platinum
yet, it would be weird for it to have gone double-p.  and the sony site
doesn't mention it, although of course that actually makes it more likely
to be true....

i can't find any sales numbers on the web (shock - something i can't find
on the web). the billboard chart info for sots is: 9 weeks on the top
100 album list, highest position: 7 (debut position), currently 65, last
week 55.

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hey folks..
here's another kind friend who really wants a copy of tuesday's
children..i've already informed her on the evils of paying for dubbed
tapes..so that's taken care of..if anyone can help her..i'm sure she'd be
really grateful.
we are fortunate ones,
joe
http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones

p.s. as soon as i figure out how to put forms on my site, i'll try a
message board type thing where you can post for tapes or whatever you feel
like writing..woo.

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date: wed, 9 jul 1997 13:58:12 -0400 (edt)
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resent-date: wed, 9 jul 97 13:57:48 est
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resent-to: fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu

several months ago i was playing on the web and found an indigo girl sight,
at this point i don't remeber which one it was.  but at this site there was a
list of all the albums they had made, including those produced before they
were signed with epic.  the is an album entitled "tuesday's children" and
ever since i discovered it i have been on an avid search for it.  i can't
find it anywhere and don't really know how to go about locating it.  i don't
care if it is an original or a copy, i just really want to hear it.  if you
know anything about this, i would really appreciate your help.  the most i
can afford to pay for this is about $40.  if you could give me some guidance
i would really be grateful.  i would also love to be put on your mailing
list.

thank you for your time and for providing me some hope in my search.

i hope that you are having a wonderful day.

sincerely,
sarissa (sarissak@aol.com)

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ok, so i'm sure people are sick of this, but i wanted to share it anyway.
yesterday on 92.9fm (out of ferndale, washington), i  heard its alright!!!!
yay for me big time, because if i needed to hear a song right then, it
would have been that one!!  they have been playing soy a lot, and
occasionally i hear some ani as well.  pretty cool!  too bad the reception
is only decent when its cloudy:(  - fortunately for me - i live is
seattle;)

betsy (2 days until i will move to the pier as my temporary home for 3 days;)

...........................................
i want to be the girl with the most cake.
-courtney love
...........................................

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>
> and one more thing, should we all try to limit nigc on the list? in my
> humble opinion, i realize that the purpose of the list is the indigo girls,
> however many days there is not enough new information about them, and i look
> to the list to discuss some fresher and newly related topics. after all, i
> had seen that we "wouldnt want to write anything amy and emily wouldnt want
> to read" and i think they would become bored after reading about themselves
> all day!
>
this is just plain silly. there are thousands of other mailing lists out there,
and if you find yourself in need of discussion about topics other than the
indigo girls, you can look to those. however, people join *this* list because
they want to talk about the indigo girls, not because they necessarily share
other interests. discussions about other topics can be taken to private e-mail;
continuing them on the list is a waste of everyone's time and bandwidth.
kirsten

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of the good bits had involved susan, he realized. susan or computers. never
susan *and* computers--those had largely been the bad bits."--douglas adams

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> does anybody else think this might be wrong?  "indigo girls" just went
> double platinum (which is either 2 million copies or 2 million dollars, i
> get it confused).  we haven't even heard of sots going gold or platinum
> yet, it would be weird for it to have gone double-p.  and the sony site
> doesn't mention it, although of course that actually makes it more likely
> to be true....

i believe its copies. and i think those dj's were confused. indigo
girls just went double platinum. i believe sots was certified gold
the first week of its release.

it would be cool if there was independent confirmation of sots as
d-platnium, the one confirming report was from the same dj. until then
i'm assuming its a cruel joke ;)

-- chris

at 03:37 pm 7/9/97 -0400, chris wrote:
>> does anybody else think this might be wrong?  "indigo girls" just went
>> double platinum (which is either 2 million copies or 2 million dollars, i
>> get it confused).  we haven't even heard of sots going gold or platinum
>> yet, it would be weird for it to have gone double-p.  and the sony site
>> doesn't mention it, although of course that actually makes it more likely
>> to be true....
>
>i believe its copies.  and i think those dj's were confused.  indigo
>girls just went double platinum.  i believe sots was certified gold
>the first week of its release.

chris is right on both counts. i happened to have epic's phone number handy
so i called and was told that although they don't have the numbers handy,
sots has been certified gold (which means a million dollars in sales). i
seem to remember reading someplace that it debuted with close to 70,000
albums sold the first week. does that ring a bell with anyone? i don't know
what price they give to each unit sold, but assuming they figure $15 that
would have put them at gold the first week.

>it would be cool if there was independent confirmation of sots as
>d-platnium, the one confirming report was from the same dj. until then
>i'm assuming its a cruel joke ;)

yeah, probably started by rolling stone ;)

deb

hey everyone!!

does anyone have a copy of the ppv special they would be willing to dub
for me? i can trade or send a tape and sase......

thanks!!

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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> sots has been certified gold (which means a million dollars in sales). i
> seem to remember reading someplace that it debuted with close to 70,000
> albums sold the first week. does that ring a bell with anyone? i don't know

just from memory, i think sots sold 78,000 in its first week. and
i was also surprised to see it on the billboard album charts last week
as #32! you go, girls!

> >it would be cool if there was independent confirmation of sots as
> >d-platnium, the one confirming report was from the same dj.  until then
> >i'm assuming its a cruel joke ;)
>
> yeah, probably started by rolling stone ;)
>
        i wouldn't be surprised.  but, the d.j. probably just got his info
wrong.  them darn humans. ;)

peace, mel

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>hey everyone!!
>
>does anyone have a copy of the ppv special they would be willing to dub
>for me? i can trade or send a tape and sase......
>
>thanks!!
>
>peace, love and ig-
>karrie

i have no trades to offer but would also like a copy of the ppv special -
my cable co. messed up and never played it.

thanks also,

hey ya'll,

i'm back for my ever-so-often installment of what ig stuff i dreamt about
last night, or the night before, or... you get the picture. :)

ok. so... i'm at an indigo girls concert (bet ya didn't expect that! ;)
and amy comes out into the audience to hand out lollipops.  so, she has a
box and arrives at my row.  if you want one, you're supposed to raise your
hand (high....... not really, i just wanted to sound "problem child"-ish
:).  i didn't have my hand raised, but amy looks directly at me like i
must want one.  so, i raise my hand.

there are two people in my row who want a lollipop.  me and a guy about 7
seats away, to my right, where amy is.  amy realizes she is out of
lollipops.  so she says to me, "i'll be back for you" and kind of nods at
me.  i thought it was cool.  so, not even a minute passes and i realize
i'm being handed something by the person sitting next to me.  i look down.
it's a lollipop.  i take it and wish to myself that amy had handed it to
me herself.  then i think, well i'm holding something that amy touched, so
i should at least appreciate that. (god, do i sound obsessed...)

so i open it and start to eat my lollipop.  it's one of those disc-y
shaped ones with a hole in the center that have swirls in them because
they contain two flavors, like strawberry and vanilla, for instance.
by this time, my partner somehow also has one of these lollipops.  she
doesn't eat hers, but turns it over to read the ingredients.  i think, oh,
no, this probably has refined sugar in it, (which i don't eat) so i
can't be eat this.  my partner announces that there is indeed sugar in
my lollipop.  so, i decide i'm not going to eat mine.

but then, i realize, amy is now to my left waiting in the aisle with her
box. she doesn't say anything, but i figure out that she is waiting for
everyone to finish their lollipops, so she can put the sticks into the
cardboard box to avoid everyone just throwing them onto the floor and
then everyone getting the sticks stuck to their shoes. what
a good idea! so i grab my partner's lollipop and pop it into my mouth
along with my lollipop, which have now changed to the kind with bubble gum
in the middle, and i start crunching away so i can give amy our sticks.
so what to being vegan, i guess...

i was not interested in the interaction of handing amy our chewed-
on lollipop sticks. i just didn't want to make amy wait any longer than
necessary. that and the sooner she finished playing candy monitor, she
could get back on stage and play! :)

well, that's all of my lollipop madness!  for those of you who lasted this
long, here's a bonus, if ya don't already know...  on the ig page it is
listed that the self-titled album was recently certified (or whatever) as
double-platinum.  nothing about sots, though.  so, that's what i know.

peace, melissa

-find myself becoming more immobile, when i think a little girl in the
world can't do anything -e.s.

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -a.r.

hi ho it's me again on the prowl for set lists and other info for my tour
web site. here's my want list this time around:

i recall reading reviews of the all the texas shows, but i don't believe any
of them contained setlists. shame, shame! so, does any kind soul out know
the order of the songs from the shows in houston, austin (both) and dallas??

i also seem to be missing the setlist from the second berkeley greek show.
if it's known, i'd appreciate a copy of it.

as per usual i am still missing the setlists from tulsa and grand rapids and
the surprise show at mercury lounge. once again, any leads would be appreciated.

i recently started to include the opening acts for each of the shows.
unfortunately i am missing a bunch. i'm don't recall who opened for any of
the college tour shows except for the concert in davenport. if you remember
any names, could you please forward them to me?

as far as the summer tour goes, i'm missing the opening acts for mann,
hartford, fraze, blossom, finger lakes, richmond and mesa. i know ulali
opened for quite a few shows, but i don't recall which ones.

chocolate chip cookies to those who help me out -- maybe ;)

deb

just in case anyone was planning on going, i just spoke with the girls and
the show was cancelled !!!!!!

the bar has new owners and there were some conflicts, so they decided not to
take the hike up to nyc from dc ...

chris

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> did you know that www.liveconcerts.com are broadcasting the lith fair
> live over the internet today!  check it out because sv is going to be
> playing!!!!
>
>

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i have an excellent seat for 7/22 - lilith @ great woods - i can't afford
to take the time off, i only would be going to see three performers anyway
and i want to go to ani difranco/bob dylan on 8/16...
i am looking to probably trade for a seat on the lawn, unless there is an
amazing seat you can snatch up in the front row 8^)...
the one catch is that i need a ride from boston (anywhere the t stops, i can
meet ya) to great woods for the ani/dylan show and back to boston that
night. i figure the lawn will be funner than the shed and i have been so
close to both of them i just want to enjoy myself. i also don't want to go
alone either.

if i can't trade my lilith ticket - i will sell it at cost

also - if you are going to ani-dylan and want to give me a lift, email me --
i can provide some good company.

mike
*who is taping lilith tonight on the web!!!*

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hey!? anybody else notice an amy bias in this review? what about all of
emily's great songs?!

just chimin' in to defend emily songs on sots! :)

cheryl
cheryl@discover-net.net

>(wxpn (88.5) is a member-supported public radio station
>in philadelphia....and is quite awesome i might add!)

> sots is a triumph of an integrated vision, one that blends
>the personal and the political and one that draws from a
>tapestry of elements including folk, rock, world and indiginous
>music. from the rocking "shame on you" (influenced by
>van morrison's "brown-eyed girl") and the gorgeous ballad
>"hey kind friend," to the hip-hop swagger of "shed your skin,"
>amy and emily continue to create remarkable music." end

ok, so i know that these can sometimes be a really strange thread, but i
had an incredible ig dream the other night, and i just have to share....

first,let me start by saying that i had way toooooo much pb&j on crackers
as a late night snack, so this is probably the cause....

so i am at this really small baseball stadium complex, and the ig are
playing a 6 hour concert to benefit some cause.  i have these awesome box
seat tix, and the box has this balcony, which hangs right over the stage.
so i am there with my friends from home, kelly, shonni, hobo, lettie, and
some others, and we are jamming out to the opening acts, when emily comes
walking out onto the balcony, and she and i start bs-ing like we are best
friends.  so we are talking and gabbing about music and life and
relationships and mutual friends we have (!) and she says, "oh, i better
get going...we go on in like 15 minutes..."  so she leaves.

well, out they come and they are singing away and we are just dancing and
singing and having a great time on that balcony, drinking beer and chowing
on veggies and stuff, and emily says "amy and i have presents for our
fans, because we love you all so much, and we know that you love us.." and
they start tossing brand new basketballs out into the audience.  well,
emily sees me, hovering above the stage, and she throws me one, so i am
all psyched that they just gave me this basketball.  (i think this comes
from the penn state concert....)  my friend shonni says "it is so cool
that you are friends with them" and i am like "oh yeah, we go way back.."
(uh-huh).  so during this concert, they announce that they are going to
each do an hour of solo material, and during amy's solo, emily comes back
up.  so she is drinking beer with us and dancing and jamming to amy, and
bs-ing with all of us, and then amy says "look at emily y'all!!  jammin up
there with our good buddies!  hey em!!" and emily yells "peace amy!!  see
ya in a while!!"  pretty soon, she says she has to go sing, and i ask her
if she will send amy up, and she says she'll pass the word.

well, amy doesn't come up, but it is cool, because we are all jamming to
emily. then some messanger somes up and says that emily and amy want us
to all go this little bar and play pool and shoot darts with them after
the concert, aand that they will see us then. so after the show is over,
this guy pulls up in this hunter green hummer, picks us all up, and takes
us to this bar.

amy and emily greet us as we walk through the door, and amy says "i have
so much stuff i have to give you," and proceded to give me all this native
american literature and books and dreamcatchers (!) and a small, room
sized tee-pee to put in my livingroom. then she gives me all this info on
aim and hte and says to call her so we can plan the new hte tour. then we
toast a successful day and drink beer and play pool.

yup, i need a life.....

thanks for reading this, if you did..... ;)

peace, love and ig-
karrie

someone posted information about michelle malone's new cd and offered to get
an autographed copy.  i deleted that posting.  could you e-mail me privately
and let me know how i can send some money to you and i also have some
additional questions about her other albums.  also, could you list the other
songs that are on her christmas cd?   thanx!

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hey kind friends,
just came back from visiting home. (hi ames! hi bridget! i made it back to
oh) i missed a week of list chat, but i did get a really great cd.  a friend
of mine runs a music store and as i was heading out of her house she gave me
a cd by chantal kreviazuk called "under these rocks and stones." she knows
my tastes well--it hasn't left my cd player.  i'm pretty sure this is her
first cd and it just came out.  she's this weird mix of mm, tori amos, and
sarah mclaughlan.  absolutely wonderful.  if you get a chance check this one
out. listen to more than the first cut, 'cause her sound/songs are very
diverse. email me if you listen to her or if you already know her and tell
me what you think!
peace, love, and indigo,
lisa

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

something has been bugging me basically since i first heard s.o. what
is the story behind the lyrics of "dead man's hill"? please, if you
know, tell me! thanx.

how many tracy boots are there, hardly any in circulation, sooo, i figure
tonight's webcast would be something to listen to -- but no - she declined
to be broadcast -- which i understand -- it's her right, but can someone
tape her on this tour (i can provide you with many p. cole, sarah m., i have
a jewel boot somewhere -- but only one tracy boot from '96 -- thanks pooh!)
if someone tapes this goddess -- let me know!!!)
mike r.
listening to van halen on the speakers before jewel...so much for women's
music...

list web site goddess deb wrote:

>chris is right on both counts. i happened to have epic's phone number handy
>so i called

now deb why do you have that number "handy". i'm thinking a little more
time doing graphic design and little less time obsessing over ig is in
order. i'm callin your boss!!!! :) :) ;-)

>and was told that although they don't have the numbers handy,
>sots has been certified gold (which means a million dollars in sales).

hmmm--i always thought going gold meant selling 500,000 albums and platinum
1,000,000. i didn't think it had anything to do with amounts of money.
anyone sure? i mean if based on cash then albums in the 60's would have
never gone gold cuz they certainly weren't 15 bucks a pop.

i highly doubt sots has gone d-platinum yet.  the idea of the ig album
going d-platinum makes more sense to me.  i mean we are dealing with ig and
a teeny bopper society of cd buyers.  only hanson and mariah carey can go
d-platinum so fast.  good to see that ig is still on the charts though.

and for all you hanson fans--they'll be on jay leno this friday. catch em
or they'll be gone in an mmmbop. laterness

greg

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hi all...the birthday project is starting to wind down, but i'm hoping we
can get one last push within the next week. officially the collections sit
at $1965!! that is quite an impressive amount but i'd really like us to
clear the two grand mark with a bang. if you haven't already contributed,
please considering helping out. the billing house is about to begin an
outreach program directed towards atlanta's black community. the funds we
contribute will have a great impact on helping out those who are currently
at most risk to hiv and aids.

once again your tax deductible checks should be made to "the billings
house" and sent to:

deb reiser
3166 n. 89th street
milwaukee, wi 5322

if the company you work for does matching funds, you can double the amount
of your donation. check with your human resources department for more
information as the billings house is a not-for-profit organization.

i will be accepting contributions up until july 16th. by that time we need
get things into the mail so that emily gets them by her birthday. if you
don't think you can get your check to me in time, just let me know so i can
include the amount on the "check" we're sending to emily.

if you asked me to verify that i received your donation, you should have
received an email from me saying that i got it. if you haven't gotten an
email from me, let me know and i'll check that i got your donation.

thanks again to all who have given so far. your support will have a lasting
impression.

deb

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hey hey!! if anyone has tickets for sale for any of the nights that the
indigo girls play in seattle.....please sell them to me!!  i'm looking
for one or two for friday or two for either saturday or sunday.  thanks!!
write me at n9642817@cc.wwu.edu :)  asap
debbie

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hey everyone,

well! imagine my surprise when i wandered on into the music
store today and saw, staring at me from across the store, two
very familiar looking (not to mention slightly scary) dolls!
i rushed over there and...

yes, whoohoo, the "shame on you" single has finally hit the
stands in australia. it must have been released last monday
(the 7th), i think, considering that i asked about it at hmv
last week and they had no idea if a single release was even
planned. hm. sony music australia is rather a clueless bunch,
if i may say so.

anyway, the catalogue number is 664673 2, and the track
listing is:
        1. shame on you (radio edit)
        2. closer to fine
        3. least complicated
        4. bury my heart at wounded knee

the "radio edit" of soy is the version with the first half of
the f-word edited out, and a rather clumsy fadeout at the end.
the other three tracks are from 1200c and are slightly edited,
having fadeouts over the "thanks y'all!"s at the end (bmhawk is
live, not the studio version).  the front cover is a photo of
those dolls, standing on dirt among what look like baby cacti.
the back cover is a green-tinted version of the photo of a&e in
the "eatz" diner (see sots liner notes).  the cover itself is
one of the cardboard slipcase ones that are standard for
singles over here.  the single itself is green and whoever did
the graphic design didn't know how to use capitals properly,
or footnotes either, for that matter.

anyway. i think that's more than enough detail. and i say
once again: whoohoo!

:)
sherlyn
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  there's a rock and a diamond either side of me.
  between our potential and the break of day,
  there is nothing at all in our way..."   - john gorka

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hi everyone,
ok, from what i have gathered from the people who have responded, there
is enough interest to set up the recording session. we will have to
judge a little later if actually pressing a cd is feasible. but, at the
very least, we will have a kicking tape! all musicians will get their
recording session free and a copy of the tape. if all goes well, we will
do the cd, and if not (:0), we will do a tape tree or something.

so here is what i am offering:

1. i will keep open the dates from saturday august 9th until sunday
august 17th for the recordings. anyone who wants to come will need to
arrive during this time frame. i will be glad to help out with finding
places to stay, etc.

2. if any musicians can't make it, i will accept dat tapes that were
done in any studio (except small cassette multi-track studios, the sound
quality wouldn't be up to par with the rest of the recordings) for use
on the compilation.

3. we will have to decide on who does what songs, etc, so mail me with
your requests. if we are short on people, you may get more than one
song. we will try to honor everyone's request, and we can also make
further decisions at the actual sessions.

4. this has to be pretty free-form, considering our circumstances. i can
probably provide a drummer and bass player, as well as some guitarists
if neccessary, but they are not huge ig fans (but they are my band, so
they are good and will play what their goddess tells them to! ;-) )

5. as a bonus, saturday night, august 16th, is our monthly songwriters
showcase, so you can get a free show, and join in. it's a lot of fun!

6. obviously, putting out the cd depends on costs. if we don't think
there will be enough buyers from the list, we could all pitch in
together to put it out. maybe around $150-200 per person, and then you
would get certain # of cds yourself. (like if we had 20 people/songs, it
would cost around $150/ each, and you would get 50 cd's. this would
include all the proper royalties to ig, plus the cost of the cd
pressing.)

ok, that's it for now. please e-mail me privately with your intentions.
and i will post more info after hearing from some of you.

peace,
suz

http://www.suzanneglass.com

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wow, i just got home and i have no idea what to write. it's like i can't
remember what all happened. i have to complain briefly and publicly.
there were some very rude people at the concert who should have had to
sit in the way way back. let's just say that part of the reason i'm irked
is that i was in line by about 2:45pm, and there were some people in
front of me, but when the line moved up to the gates, magically the
number of people in front of me doubled or tripled. grrr. amyray, on to
the concert. michelle malone opened. she was good, but i must admit that
i'm not too familiar with her stuff to really say how good she was. i
don't know the exact set list, but i'll remember as much as i can (in no
particular order). they played every song from sots except for batl and
dgtgag (which reminds me...we could hear the sound check and they did
dgtgag, libm, sys, and nashville). the first song was tangled up in blue
with mm. the encore was i don't wanna know, wild horses, and ctf (all
with mm). jerry was taking pictures of the audience and of the borrowers
guy (dang, i forgot his name already) during ctf. um, what else. cut it
out was incredible. amy's face at the end had so much emotion in it. same
too with scooter boys (which had some chickenman in it). at the end of
shame on you amy said something like "we're gonna play this song all
night" and then started to jam on it. after that was done she said
something like "i was trying to start an accoustic jam but emily just
wouldn't let go of her [electric] guitar." too cute. at one point someone
threw a flower wreath they had made and been wearing onto the stage. amy
picked it up and put it on briefly. emily said "she looks like jesus."
during hkf amy kinda rolled her eyes as we cheered for all the northwest
references. then at the end she changed the words to "i'm calling from a
champoeg park." i'm unclear as to how many strings amy broke. she never
broke any when i thought she was going to, and sometimes she'd switch
guitars in the middle of a song at weird times but i didn't see the broken
strings. perhaps someone else knows. fashion report. amy: white pants
(i'm thinking they looked like denim), brown pattern 70's blouse. emily:
(oh man was this weird) white blouse over light blue shirt, patterned
leggings (blue, green, white, hard to explain), boots. sara: black
leather pants, black athletic shirt. the guys: no dresses or skirts. by
the way, my friends and i were able to make our way up to almost the
front of the crowd. i had two, three, or four people in front of me at
different times, so i could see quite well. i mention this because i
could just see the top of amy's new tattoo since her shirt was unbuttoned
far enough down. and i just remembered to mention, emily sang with mm
during her opening. i can't remember if it was for one song or two. i
can't really think of much else, and this has gotten long enough as it
is. i am really hoping that someone got a boot of this concert. please
please contact me if you did. all in all it was a good concert. i think
it could have been a tad better, but i'm really not complaining. i wish
it would have been longer, but i guess they ran over as it was and
the park guys were ready to just shut down the generator to stop the
music. it was really cool because i knew a lot of people there: friends
from school, a teacher, the flower cart girl i buy from downtown, people
i work with at the zoo, etc. okay, honest, i'll shut up now. i hope
others who were there will write too. sorry i didn't know who any of the
list people there were, i would have liked to have met you. sorry for
being long and incohesive.
all things indigo
-sam
(i'm going to the pier on saturday...who else wil be there, is anything
fun happening before/after, what's the venue like? thanks.)

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i have to mention that the weather miraculously turned from absolutely
gray and soggy/rainy this morning to sunny, dry, clear this afternoon. i
am so thankful for the good weather. and now it's started raining again.
perhaps there really is something magical about ig music...
-sam (done for the night and really hoping that someone booted the show)
(p.s. and they did redemption song. okay, i've really got to stop now.)

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just to add onto what sam already said, tonight's show was a great one --
the weather was beautiful, the crowd was absolutely into it, and it only
took an hour to get out of the park, ha ha.

here's the setlist, but there are a number of gaps in the michelle malone
list which included:

green
medicated magdelene
hamlet went swimming
the edge
all i can give you is me (with emily on vocals and guitar)

here's ig's setlist:

tangled up in blue
three hits
get out the map
cut it out (much longer and far more intense than the album version)
it's alright
tried to be true (w/mm)
caramia
hey kind friend (amy: "so i'm calling you from champoeg parkground..."
emily (afterwards) "is that how it's pronounced?")
least complicated
shame on you
ghost
pushing the needle too far
redemption song (by far my favorite of the list, but it was marred
slightly by the full-body tackle undertaken by a security guard on a
audience member who apparently took one too many photos. um. the
atmosphere of the song didn't lend itself to the chase and physical melee
that ensued.)
leeds
shed your skin (w/ mm)
everything in it's own time
scooter boys/chickenman (kinda ... just some verses)
galileo

encore:

i don't wanna know (w/mm "it was getting so expensive...")
wild horses (w/ mm)
closer to fine (everyone)

and that's it. a fine time was had by all. i was surprised by the
zealousness of the security crowd as the show progressed because it really
was a great crowd. hell, even jerry was taking photos from the stage. at
one point, i thought it was just his way of trying to hurry sully away as
she didn't want her's taken.

anyway...

martine

at 10:32 pm 7/9/97 -0600, greg flamer wrote:
>list web site goddess deb wrote:
>
>>chris is right on both counts. i happened to have epic's phone number handy
>>so i called
>
>now deb why do you have that number "handy". i'm thinking a little more
>time doing graphic design and little less time obsessing over ig is in
>order. i'm callin your boss!!!! :) :) ;-)

i phoned during my lunch hour -- really! ;)

>>and was told that although they don't have the numbers handy,
>>sots has been certified gold (which means a million dollars in sales).
>
>hmmm--i always thought going gold meant selling 500,000 albums and platinum
>1,000,000. i didn't think it had anything to do with amounts of money.
>anyone sure?

oh my, mr. flamer is correct, but so are those of us who say the status is
based on dollar amounts! i did a little checking on the web (during my break
--yeah right) and according to the record industry association of american
(the fine folks who bless albums as gold or platinum), the criteria of a
gold album is 500,00 units sold _or_ sales of at least $1 million based on
33 1/3% of the suggested list price. for platinum, it's 1,000,000 million
units sold or sales of at least $2 million based on 33 1/3% of the suggested
list price. the criteria is slightly different for singles, eps, video's,
boxed sets, etc. aren't you glad you asked? :)

>i mean if based on cash then albums in the 60's would have
>never gone gold cuz they certainly weren't 15 bucks a pop.

but then again gold and platinum albums were more rare. the info i found
said that in 1965 only two albums, both by the beatles, reached
multi-platinum levels. in 1995, 51 albums reached that level.

but seriously, i believe the criteria was different back then for gold and
platinum records. when you could buy an album for $3.50, i swear gold
strictly meant a million dollars in sales and platinum meant a million
units. i'm trying to verify that but that's how my brain is remembering
things. seeing as greg wasn't even born when i purchased my first record, i
understand the difference of opinion :)

deb

hey.....

rob: neil hunt is looking for a recording and would like you (or someone who
knows your whereabouts) to contact me....

scott ninerman (spelling?) did a few tracks on indicated iii and neil and i
are interested in finding that tape he had for sale (mentioned in the jacket
of indicated iii). if anyone knows if that is still available or where he
can be reached to ask, let us know!!

thanks, sorrry for the nigc....

andi

--- mike king of maine reynolds wrote:
listening to van halen on the speakers before jewel...so much for women's
music...
--- end of quote ---
'
hmm! well i beg to differ mister mike. haven't you ever heard ice cream man?
or that raucous feminist anthem
hot for teacher? ;)

anyhoo, my real point in writing is to say that i will indeed make goddess
tracy boots at both lilith fairs i am going to and circulate them widely on
this list, so fear not. but what i am wondering is, did we ever find boots for
chastain shows? please mail me privately if you have boots for friday and/or
saturday's show.

thanks-

sus
alex is my favorite van halen

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didn't post this to the pnw sub-list because i'm not sure if lynn is still
in oregon for those shows, but.....anyway, amy and emily will be stopping
by the mountain music lounge tomorrow and will chat with john fisher and
play something at 3:15pm. hopefully someone in line at the pier will have
a radio so i can hear it.

betsy

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i want to be the girl with the most cake.
-courtney love
...........................................

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hi all,
i also forgot to mention that the lilith festival at deer creek in
indianapolis is on friday, august 8th. so you can go see ig and then
record ig the next day. indy is only about an hour away.
suz

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hi all,
champoeg was great last night.  i am very tired and i am at work so this
will have to be short.  just wanted to say two things.  my opinion on
those leather/denim jeans of amy's is that they were white pvc pants.
also, i made a boot of the show, including mm opening.  i think it sounds
good, but as this was my first boot, i have nothing to compare it too.
i'm gonna listen to it again tonight (when i am in a more awake state) and
i'll post the lenght and set list then.  anyway, i'd be happy to make
copies for whoever wants them.  i'd be especialy greatful to anyone who
would be willing to trade blue food or tuesday's children (etc.)  more
later...
java

jsolis@oregon.uoregon.edu

i just have to say, i love this thread - it fascinates me - better than
tv. please keep the dreams coming.

elizabeth

when i saw the girls at madison square garden, amy was wearing white leather
pants. that bothered me because she is a vegetarian and it seemed
inconsistant with her politics. does it bother anyone else?

erica

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> i just have to say, i love this thread - it fascinates me - better than
> tv. please keep the dreams coming.
>
just about anything would be more fascinating than tv, i'd imagine...
kirsten

hi! while i'm playing hooky from work today, i'm contemplating choices and
life and general. then it struck me...when was it that amy and emily
decided to make closer to fine (or "ctf" as some of you know it) their
"ending song"? around what time was it?

back to daydreaming...

-liz-

>and life and general. then it struck me...when was it that amy and emily

lol! that should have said "in general". i'm not thinking about generals.
general mills, or general lee...

-liz-

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thu, 10 jul 1997 00:17:54 -0700
jan monforton said, among other things:
>fashion report. amy: white pants
>(i'm thinking they looked like denim), brown pattern 70's blouse.

i'm sorry, i was a goth child of the 80s...i just can't deal with a in white
pants.  she wore them at blossom or fraze, can't remember which, i coulda
taken really great pictures, but i couldn't do it.  i didn't *want*
(whining) pics of a in *white* pants--i just can't play a part in freezing
that image for posterity, damnit.  whatever happened to those cool tattered
jean shorts w/the flag down the side that she wore w/her black shirt &
combat boots at every show i saw for like 4 years? ok, ok, i know, we
change, we grow, we're allowed to wear something other than all black as we
enter our 30s (the "we" here is me, a, and all you rockin' folks who were
right there w/us when dms were not sold in malls)...but, i ask you...is
white really necessary? my mindless ig comment for the day.
peace, esp to all you people sitting in front of your screens in white pants ;)
lisa

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> hi! while i'm playing hooky from work today, i'm contemplating choices and
> life and general. then it struck me...when was it that amy and emily
> decided to make closer to fine (or "ctf" as some of you know it) their
> "ending song"? around what time was it?

i'd say it was about 1989-90, maybe before.  closer to fine was the
song that got them known.  it was the single.  if ig were going to be
a one hit wonder, it would have been ctf.  it got people moving, it
was very memorable.  it made their career.  and it has a great
message.

its still their best known song to date, although a case could be made
for galileo. its kind of a throwback to the old days. its a time to
party.

-- chris

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there are lots of leather-looking pants out there that are actually
vinyl or some other synthetic material. my girlfriend has a brown pair
and they are pretty darn cool. the best part? laundering instructions:
wipe with a damp cloth...

kim
kpaulus@mpinc.com

> when i saw the girls at madison square garden, amy was wearing white
> leather
> pants. that bothered me because she is a vegetarian and it seemed
> inconsistant with her politics. does it bother anyone else?
>
> erica
>
>

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liz said:
>>when was it that amy and emily
>> decided to make closer to fine (or "ctf" as some of you know it) their
>> "ending song"? around what time was it?

then chris said:
>i'd say it was about 1989-90, maybe before.  closer to fine was the
>song that got them known.  it was the single.  if ig were going to be
>a one hit wonder, it would have been ctf.  it got people moving, it
>was very memorable.  it made their career.  and it has a great
>message.

while i whole heartedly agree w/chris about the message and popularity of
ctf, i differ on the date. i saw shows up to the rop tour that ended
definitely ended w/other tunes. my fav was when they came back and finished
w/their a cappella version of "an american tune." i was struck by the change
and consistency of their use of ctf as the definite last encore, esp on this
tour. reminds me of u2 and "40." wonder if they'll ever stop and shift to
something else as u2 did?

wait...i just had a total flash...didn't the come back out at blossom
*after* ctf and play one more song? an extra encore? karrie? twink? don? deb
reiser, the setlist queen? anyone? anyone?
lis, who obviously has not yet made it out into the sun as she has been
trying to all day

btw, my msg before this said it was my last "mindless" msg of the day, not
my last msg. this one required a little thought. ;)

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i want all y'all to know how sweet and wonderful
this guy really is... he sent me some of the greatest
piccies of everyone who went to chastian..
pj penelope susib!!!! etc etc

it sure is great getting to see ya after the show, so to speak
tony iv, you are the greatest, dont let anyone tell ya different

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they also ended with something else in park city in may 95 (hte)--finlandia,
maybe? it was with sara lee, i know. corrine may remember. . .

deirdre

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lisa wrote:

> while i whole heartedly agree w/chris about the message and popularity of
> ctf, i differ on the date. i saw shows up to the rop tour that ended
> definitely ended w/other tunes. my fav was when they came back and finished
> w/their a cappella version of "an american tune." i was struck by the change
> and consistency of their use of ctf as the definite last encore, esp on this
> tour. reminds me of u2 and "40." wonder if they'll ever stop and shift to
> something else as u2 did?

then chris writes back ...

hey, i screwed up! as lisa points out, i answered "why" instead of
"when."

although i was a fan since '89, i think my first concert was '93. and
they were closing with ctf then. before '93 i couldn't tell you.

on occasion they will close with other things. after the ok city
bombing at brown i vaguely remember they closed with american tune.
it makes sense that they closed with something else on the hte tour.
ctf is a happy, peppy song. sometimes, like when you are trying to
call attention to the way a government has treated its indigenous
people, happy and peppy is not the way to go out. and i bet
occasionally the fans squeeze one last encore out of them. =)

still i'd bet if you look at all their concerts since they signed with
epic, i'd bet ctf closed 90% of them.

-- chris

i heard some rumors that someone was going to boot this show...it was
incredible (review to follow sometime) does anyone know if anyone booted it??
i neeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeed it :)
any info. would be _greatly_ appreciated!
~jen

at 03:08 pm 7/10/97 -0400, liz wrote:
>wait...i just had a total flash...didn't the come back out at blossom
>*after* ctf and play one more song? an extra encore? karrie? twink? don? deb
>reiser, the setlist queen? anyone? anyone?

yup, they played kid fears _after_ ctf at bloosom. i also remember being at
the '95 indy show and there they played a second encore (actually left the
stage after ctf and came back on). i'm drawing a blank on what song they
played. if dwayne's around maybe he can remember.

and for the record, they haven't always ended with ctf on this tour. at mt
holyoke they didn't even play it (gasp) and at a few other shows early in
the college tour they mixed things up more.

i wish they'd do more of that. seeing as i've been typing in a lot of
setlists for my web site, i see patterns from show to show. cut it
out/galileo, for instance, has become quite the popular tandem for ending
the show (pre encore).

this topic reminds me of something i've been meaning to mention. i wouldn't
mind hearing ctf, galileo or other older tunes so much if maybe they revised
them to make them seem fresh. something simple like adding a verse (like
paul simon did to the boxer) or changing the tempo or styling.

i recently saw cyndi lauper (don't laugh) open for tina turner (hot, hot,
hot) and i was blown away by what she did with time after time. she slowed
it way down and added a dulcimer which helped to made it sound more folky,
perhaps even gaelic. she also changed the phrasing. it was beautiful. i
really wish ig would risk more on stage.

deb

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deb writes:
>this topic reminds me of something i've been meaning to mention. i wouldn't
>mind hearing ctf, galileo or other older tunes so much if maybe they revised
>them to make them seem fresh. something simple like adding a verse (like
>paul simon did to the boxer) or changing the tempo or styling.

i see both sides--i understand this criticism; these two songs can seem
overplayed and stale.  on one hand, though, it seems like they keep them in
there, with their original forms, as singalongs.  i mean, one amazing thing
about seeing the ig is that it is like a real folk concert--everyong sings,
knows the words, etc and the performers not only don't mind but expect the
audience to sing along.  this is one of the things that live folk music is
all about and one of the reasons why it is never the same on an album (esp
people like pete seeger, arlo guthrie, and peter, paul, and mary, and tom
paxton).

on the other hand, deb suggests what pete seeger (and maybe woody guthrie
before him; i am a bit fuzzy on this count) calls the "folk process."  that
is to say, taking old songs of your own or someone else's and changing it to
give it new character, life, or meaning.  i have been talking about this
with my mother because the concept of a tribute to pete seems so
strange--what do you count as his songs?  can you, for instance, say that
"we shall overcome" is a pete seeger?  pete himself does not want this to be
his song but a song of the people.  yet his role was adding verses and
disseminating it to the public. . .  meanwhile, pete was always adding
verses to songs like "this land is your land" and even "both sides now" and
the concept of doing masters of war with a russian translation definitely
made it a different song.

so i don't know.  on one hand, the ig are trying to maintain a folk
atmosphere, but, on the other hand, they sometimes don't take the "risks"
that are part of the folk process.  for me, i guess i would agree that they
should rotate and change songs more and maybe even venture out into covers,
adding their own flavor to other songs.  still, many people have so many
memories to the old favorites and would miss seeing them every time. . .

deirdre

at 05:28 pm 7/10/97 -0400, deirdre ruth lynch wrote:
>deb writes:
>>this topic reminds me of something i've been meaning to mention. i wouldn't
>>mind hearing ctf, galileo or other older tunes so much if maybe they revised
>>them to make them seem fresh. something simple like adding a verse (like
>>paul simon did to the boxer) or changing the tempo or styling.

>on the other hand, deb suggests what pete seeger (and maybe woody guthrie
>before him; i am a bit fuzzy on this count) calls the "folk process."  that
>is to say, taking old songs of your own or someone else's and changing it to
>give it new character, life, or meaning.  i have been talking about this
>with my mother because the concept of a tribute to pete seems so
>strange--what do you count as his songs?  can you, for instance, say that
>"we shall overcome" is a pete seeger?  pete himself does not want this to be
>his song but a song of the people.  yet his role was adding verses and
>disseminating it to the public. . .  meanwhile, pete was always adding
>verses to songs like "this land is your land" and even "both sides now" and
>the concept of doing masters of war with a russian translation definitely
>made it a different song.

this reminds me, last night counting crows were at blossom and what the've
done to mr. jones is amazing.  actually, the just brought it back to their
setlist; they took it out because it was so overplayed.  now they do it real
slow and acoustic, nothing flashy.  i guess they did this to preserve the
meaning of the song and the paradox it has created. the song is about
wanting to be a big star and it *made* them big stars.  now the song is
kinda saying: "watch out, it's not as great as it seems" and giving that
sorta mood.  that kinda stuff is cool.

however, how are they posiibly going to slow down ctf or galileo without
losing the mood of carelessness in them both?

thanks for reading my stupid thoughts!
rob

p.s i got the setlist when i went to the ann arbor show in march and they
ended the regular set w/ ctf and the the last encore was love's recovery.
that was beautiful!
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* "may the great mystery make sunrise        *
*  in your heart."  --sioux indian saying    *
*                                            *
* "the flesh is strong, the spirit stronger  *
*   so shed your skin baby, let it through!" *
*                           --amy ray        *
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i saw cyndi lauper with tina turner in concert too, and i thought the
slowed-down "time after time" (although i only caught the last part
because i was late) was -great- and i'd love to have it on a boot

khw

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hey all!

um, just wanted to toss 2 cents... my first ig show in may of 1989
at mars hill college in north carolina... they closed with that rockin'
version of tom petty's "free fallin'" and i loved it! did i mention i
was disappointed at that show with amy... she was wearing some huge hat
(which kept her face covered for those of us who wanted to gaze upon it)
and - on a better note - she wore some really long grey coat/jacket
thing that was pretty cool!

    also, folks while on this subject... is there an off chance in the
universe that anyone here on the list might actually have a boot of that
very show?  like i said, it was like may of 1989, when they were doing a
college tour and were selling these interesting t-shirts w/maps & comic
characters of a & e and the various people in their group... playing
golf!  (they were cute really, my shirt was too small & i passed it on
to one of my tiny friends who just loved it!)  anyway, i'd give my left
arm for a boot of that show... i have lots to trade & would trade lots
to anyone who might be able to offer me that show!

okay, that's it y'all! and thanks!

see ya,

(twink!) ;-)

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   amy:  "i'm always kicking things over!"
emily:  "you're so rowdy!"
   amy:  "sprawlin'... flailin'..."
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http://musiccentral.msn.com/audio/t925867a.ram

this is ctf done by a punk band called "sicko"...hmm, well i can't get it to
work, i dunno why. does anybody have this as a wav or sumthin? i'm still
curious

lorie : )

visit my web page at: http://www.geocities.com/athens/forum/3484/index.html

hello everyone!!

this is semi-ig related because the new michelle malone cd (beneath the devil
moon) is out in the stores now, apparently early. when we (hi caroline!)
spoke with her at the berkeley show, she said she didn't know when it was
going to be out - either the 15th or the 17th. i was in blockbuster music
yesterday, and they have it for sale ($9.99) now!

this is also ig-related because both amy & emily appear on the cd, along with
michelle. they are both on "all my lifetime" and emily is also on "devil
moon".

the cd is *great*!!

if anyone in atlanta is planning on attending the cd premiere party at
eddie's attic on the 24th, i'd love to meet up with you! she was very
excited about the party when i mentioned it to her on sunday =)!

lisa
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um, actually, it's vegans that do not wear leather. if amy is just a
vegetarian, then it's not out of line for her to wear leather. but i
think that if her pants were "leather" that it was probably really just
white vinyl (i guess this because i just don't see leather pants as being
very practical during a concert).
just had to add my 2 drops
-sam

> when i saw the girls at madison square garden, amy was wearing white leather
> pants. that bothered me because she is a vegetarian and it seemed
> inconsistant with her politics. does it bother anyone else?

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hello again!

i've just been thinking this thing to death... so i thought i'd share
it with y'all... so i can have the peace of mind knowing other ig fans
out there are thinking of this too - every time they hear the song!

        let me first say that it was my girlfriend barb who came up with
this... and got it "sticking" in my head!  okay, so what i want y'all to
do is cue up "get out the map"... start thinking "orange juice
commercial"... and then play it!  play it again & again!  i sat and
envisioned a & e sitting down in ga drinking oj w/their friends, driving
in their cars sipping oj, and yes, reading a map while drinking oj!  i
can just drive myself crazy with this... almost picturing the whole
video i could create from this perspective if i had the equipment and a
& e completely at my disposal!

oh well, that's prob not too likely, huh? well, i just had to
share w/you cause now thinking this every time you hear the opening
banjo part can drive you all crazy right along with me! i kid you not -
i can't listen to the song w/out these oj thoughts running thru my head!

     hmmm, well, perhaps others have their versions to tell of how
they'd put a & e in such a video centered around oj?  it might be fun to
hear, huh?  okay... i've spilled it... maybe one day i can think of
"maps" when i hear that song?  :)

see ya!
bridget (twink!) ;-)

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thanks for that jan.

i dont want to get into a 'what vegetarians and vegans do' thing. but as a
vegetarian for 12 years and a vegan for two -
i can assure you that there are a vast majority of veges that don't wear
slaughterhouse products for the same reason
that they don't eat slaughterhouse products. being vegan is not about
slaughterhouse, it is about enslavement (yeah,
and lets not discuss that onlist for a whole bunch of reasons :-)).

i am really sorry i dont want this to escalate into a full on war about
veganism/vege like other lists that will remain
nameless. i am not suggesting people should be veggie - i dont care one way
or the other what you choose, please
don't take this post as propoganda. i just felt since someone had made a
definitive statement (which for them may
well be right) - i just wanted to add that not all vegetarians view it this
way.

regards,
sandy

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where'd y'all go?
you're off listening to the song, aren't you?
admit it...
it's a great slant, huh?

okay, so maybe not everyone will think so...
i've just gotten obsessed with it!

see ya,
twink!

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emily:  "you're so rowdy!"
   amy:  "sprawlin'... flailin'..."
**********

hey all,
i want to throw out an offer-- if anyone has good boots of any of the latest
batch of shows (berkeley, jacksonville etc.) i am more than willing to set up
a tree for them. i know i would love to hear some of the creative ways these
new songs have grown (& hear old songs too-- ohmygod joking & strange fire at
the same show!! i would have died on the spot.) i'm willing to bet that i am
not alone. so-- i will do the organizing if only someone will provide a seed
tape.
let me know...
thanks,
alexandra

hello everyone (again!)

i have finally gotten everything together, and recovered from the berkeley
weekend. although i still haven't come out of the clouds yet =)

the reason i write is this: i was most fortunate to get to go to both shows
and i was successful in booting both of them.

both came out great except for a few minutes of the sunday show, in which ctf
is messed up (bad spot on tape apparently). although the intro where emily
introduces wendell is perfectly fine and the end "goodbyes and thanks y'all"
came out fine too. it's just the actual "song" that is *wobbly*.

btw - wendell - emily does say your name =) email me if you'd like a copy!

the saturday show is a 110-tape and the sunday show is a 120-tape. as amy
said - they had no curfew that day so they played longer.

i'd love to acquire a few more boots in my small collection, so if anyone
would like to trade - please email me! i also have the boots from the friday
(5/23) and sunday (5/25) chastain park (in atlanta) shows that someone else
just asked about.

if i'm slow in replying - it's because aol mail is really messed up right now
- i really need to get a real online service =( mail seems to be taking an
extra day or two to get to aoler's right now. have patience!

thanks!!
lisa

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hi,

i've recently changed my isp. so, my e-mail address has changed to
loperez@jps.net. my mail from lprperez@ix.netcom.com will still work for
the rest of the month. also my ig page will now be located at
http://www.jps.net/loperez/all.htm.

as always, any comments or suggestions regarding my web page are
welcome. enjoy.

ain't no use in explaining the scenery,
leticia
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has anyone figured out how to play leeds on the piano? and if so, can you
send me the chords or notes or something, or tell me where i can find them?
thanks!

andi

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hi y'all, we have an extra ticket for friday's show. let us know if you
want it. its $25 plus the handling, which is a buck or two (my friend
has the ticket and asked us to post to the list)

sue and kathy

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when i delurk - i delurk.

sorry this is so late - but it was just sent to me from relatives in new
orleans. this article was in the newspaper the friday before the new orleans
show (last month?!?!)

i thought it was worth typing out - especially the last paragraph. it puts
to rest some of the fears that are always raised (in me) when people start
talking about how diverse a&e are, and how they can't stay together that way.
it made me feel better anyway =)

lisa
(who promises not to post anymore today)

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reprinted w/o permission from:
new orleans time picayune (friday before new orleans show)

by keith spera

indigo girls let individual styles shine in "sun"

"shaming of the sun", indigo girls' sixth full-length cd, manages to be both
their folkiest effort to date, and their hardest rocking.

as amy ray tells it, she and partner emily saliers wanted to salute the
bluegrass and folk music that as a major influence on them. so they brought
along a host of traditional folk instruments - banjo, mandolin, dulcimer,
hurdy-gurdy (a hand-cranked instrument that sounds like a toy organ) - when
they entered an atlanta studio to begin work on "shaming of the sun".

those instruments are all over the album's 12 tracks. but "shaming of the
sun" bristles with more electric guitar than any previous release by the
indigo girls, who first scored a national hit with the acoustic 'closer to
fine' and built their reputation on soaring harmonies set against a pair of
full-bodied acoustic guitars. the hip-hop drum loop that kicks off the new
album's third cut, the dense 'shed your skin', and the brooding brace of
distorted guitar that opens 'caramia' are only the most obvious points of
departure from the past.

"we love playing around with amplifiers", ray said recently from her home in
atlanta.  "we started messing around with some electric stuff, and it grew.
it was weird.  we talked a lot about making an organic record, and then we
looked at the songs we had written and went into the studio, and it didn't
turn out that way.  it's louder than anything we've done."

don't expect many acoustic-only songs when the indigo girls perform tuesday
at the uno lakefront arena.  ray and saliers are traveling with a full-blown
backing band, whose members trade off on a variety of instruments to create
different configurations.  and saliers, especially, is playing a lot of
electric guitar.  "we try to sing some stuff all alone, but it's less than we
would normally do", ray said.

the new disc represents the first time ray and saliers assumed a primary role
in the production of their own album. they decided not to edge their diverse
song-writing styles - each writes alone before presenting finished songs to
her partner - toward a common middle ground, as past producers had.

"this record represents the difference between our writing styles more than
anything has", ray said. "when you look at emily's songs and mine, you can
see how opposite we are."

"it was a matter of us letting each other be really into our own worlds, and
knowing that it would come together somehow. i think the other records were
diluted a little bit. i still like the other records, (but) rather than
dilute each other's vision, we really pushed each other to fulfill exactly
what they wanted for their songs."

"'caramia' is a good example.  big string arrangement?  i would never do
something like that on my own song.  ever.  but i love it on that.  (saliers)
pushed me on 'shed your skin' to go for the thing that i wanted, even though
it was really different from anything we'd done.  it was this self-indulgent
studio experiment, and emily was really supportive of it."

ray tends to write songs with an electric guitar, but usually ends up
recording and playing them live with an acoustic. this time, her songs
stayed electric. her compositions are often break-up songs, albeit break-up
songs with a political slant.

ray said 'don't give that girl a gun' is about the end of a relationship, but
she also wanted to "tip my hat to all the gun control advocates that i
support. my personal life and political life merge. everything i see, i see
through a political lens. my relationships are the same way. i'm using the
song to reflect both of those things."

together, she and saliers have evolved from the signature harmony-laden sound
of their early records (though ray says she considers some of the harmonies
on "shaming of the sun" the best they've ever done; the vocal interplay at
the end of 'get out the map' is especially nifty).

"i think the "swamp ophelia" and "rites of passages" albums were both in the
same sort of era, and this is an evolution of what we started trying to do
with "swamp ophelia"," ray said. "this record is more polarized than
anything we've ever done. it's either really organic, like 'hey kind friend'
- which is dulcimer, acoustic guitar and penny whistle, real vagabond and
salvation army - or something like 'caramia'."

"we can appreciate all different kinds of music, and that's what we're
showing.  we're trying to make sure we don't stagnate.  we never want to be
limited by anything, and we never wanted to just play acoustic guitars.  it
was just a matter of learning how to do other things and growing musically.
i'm sure we'll go back and do an acoustic record at some point, a folk
record that's acoustic.  but more than any record we've made, no one told us
anything to do on "shaming of the sun".  it's a true reflection of where we
are."

after 12 years as a recording duo, ray says her partnership with saliers is
still growing.  "emily is constantly branching out and playing different
instruments," she said.  "she plays piano now some, banjo, dulcimer.  we're
both dedicated to practicing more than we ever have, and just creating.  and
we're both in the same mindframe.  our partnership is very strong.  we love
each other, and there's never been any danger of that falling apart."

hey y'all!!

did anyone boot blossom?? i have got to find a boot of this show.....
i am desparate....

peace, love and ig-
karrie, who is kicking herself because she stood in the graff family foyer
and said to tamara "nah, we don't need to boot it....somebody'll do
it...."

yikes....

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hey lisa,
i have of yet no boots to trade, but would love that boot you
have from the friday chastain show and would be willing to buy it off of
you. i went to the saturday and sunday show, but missed the friday.
(actually, i saw a after the show at cafe diem, it was pretty cool!)
anyway, i would really love a copy, is there any way i can get it from
you?
thanks alot,
david

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hey suzanne- i'm new so i don't know what the ig recording thing is, but
it sound interesting. care to fill me in? ;)
thanks, david

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i hope i wasn't misunderstood on this one. i am a vegetarian who tries
hard to be vegan. as far as i understand the definitions of the two,
vegetarian means no meat, and vegan means absolutely no animal products.
one of the reasons it's so hard for me to be truly vegan is that i cannot
let go of my leather boots. i have never read anything that says that to
call yourself vegetarian you have to not wear leather. i totally
understand a person choosing not to wear leather, i'm not saying that
that part of the animal industry isn't just as cruel. does this clear up
my previous statements? i hope i'm not starting another one of those
digressions.
-sam

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 02:00:17 -0400
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hey everyone,

    i was just wondering if anyone out there had extra tickets to the
jones beach lilith fair on july 25.  i guess it's all sold out so if any
has extra tickets or knows how i could get tickets to the show i would
truly appreciate it.  thanks so much!!

jonny

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 00:18:00 -0700
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hey hey everyone,

so, i have 2 extra tickets for the saturday show and 2 for the sunday
show.

$25 each is what i paid for them so that's what i'm asking.

email me at egg@u.washington.edu

i'll be checking my mail frequently throughout the morning. first come
first serve...

be well and have fun.

carolyn

hi y'all

ani difranco in the doctor music festival (dmf), 10-11-12 july 97, spain.

dmf web page at:
http://www.doctormusic.es/festival/html/artists.html

that's it y'all!
bye,

m�nica
syskin@lettera.skios.es
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"beat me up                    |ferran nogueroles
and smash my brand new tv     |<maror@teleco.upv.es>
to help me look for           | & monica soutto
a little piece of paradise    |<msoutto@geocities.com>
in me"                        |universitat
                               |politecnica de valencia
k's choice-'paradise in me'
valencia, the valencian land,(...still spain but not for too long ) europe
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first: will anyone on the msg/mercury tree please email me???? i need the
"trunk"s address!!!!!

second: will anyone on tape loop 4 please email me & let me know when we're
supposed to swap next time?

thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
member - ssim yknib naf bulc
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hey y'all--
i was wondering if anyone has any boots with findlandia? someone
mentioned that they closed a show with it instead of ctf, so there may be a
chance.....
i got the rock for choice cd yesterday...the pics of amy and em when they
were little were so cute!!
lauren

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 09:14:11 -0400
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deb wrote:
>i recently saw cyndi lauper (don't laugh) open for tina turner (hot,
hot,
>hot) and i was blown away by what she did with time after time. she
slowed
>it way down and added a dulcimer which helped to made it sound more
folky,
>perhaps even gaelic. she also changed the phrasing. it was beautiful.

this is actually the way the song was originally created by rob hyman of
the hooters.   when they worked it out with cyndi lauper, they  fluffed
it up.  the hooters never recorded it this way, as far as i know.  they
performed it live, first as a real barebones number, then as a more
fluffed up version.   i know i had the original version on a boot, but i
can't say for sure if i still have it.

trivia: i'll give a free boot to the first person who can tell me what
hit by a different female artists was written by a different member of
the hooters expressly for the artists (as time after time was written for
cyndi lauper).

harry a. keates (who was a big time fan of the hooters before they
had a recording contract, 15 years ago, which makes me feel very old
right now)
email: hak@crai.com

p.s. if you like differnt versions of cybdi lauper songs, check out
aztec camera's true colors. very nice.

i was told in my last post about billing's house that i didn't get all of my
zip code in so here's my full address:

deb reiser
3166 n. 89th street
milwaukee, wi 53222

thanks!

deb

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 10:12:43 -0400
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        i am getting ready to purchase a new guitar, and i
wondered if anyone on the list knew what kind of guitar
kristen hall plays.  i know she has several, but if anyone knows
what acoustic-electric she plays most, i would really appreciate
knowing asap.  also, if anyone has a suggestion on a kind
of guitar to buy (other than the ones kristen plays), i would
also welcome any suggestions.  thanks-

emily

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 10:34:22 -0400
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just to let you know theres a copy of the hooters version of time after
time live on the cd hooterization: a retrospect
and cyndi is given co writing credits on the sticker on the cd

on fri, 11 jul 1997, keates, harry wrote:

> deb wrote:
> >i recently saw cyndi lauper (don't laugh) open for tina turner (hot,
> hot,
> >hot) and i was blown away by what she did with time after time. she
> slowed
> >it way down and added a dulcimer which helped to made it sound more
> folky,
> >perhaps even gaelic. she also changed the phrasing. it was beautiful.
>
> this is actually the way the song was originally created by rob hyman of
> the hooters.   when they worked it out with cyndi lauper, they  fluffed
> it up.  the hooters never recorded it this way, as far as i know.  they
> performed it live, first as a real barebones number, then as a more
> fluffed up version.   i know i had the original version on a boot, but i
> can't say for sure if i still have it.
>
> trivia:  i'll give a free boot to the first person who can tell me what
> hit by a different female artists was written by a different member of
> the hooters expressly for the artists (as time after time was written for
> cyndi lauper).
>
>   harry a. keates  (who was a big time  fan of the hooters before they
> had a recording contract, 15 years ago, which makes me feel very old
> right now)
>   email: hak@crai.com
>
> p.s.  if you like differnt versions of cybdi lauper songs, check out
> aztec camera's true colors.  very nice.
>
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well time is running out and it's time for a repost....thank you to
everyone who's given so far...and for everyone else it's not too late to
show emily how much you care.  we've had a thread recently of where you
were when you were first introduced to the indigo girls....now take a
moment to think about when they first entered your heart.  think about
that one song of emily's you always return to, and about the one you can
hardly bear to hear anymore because of the bittersweet memories it brings
back but what a gift it was then.  think about that feeling of coming home
the first time you were in a roomful of everyone singing closer to fine
and emily was alive, real, singing with you.  now use your wallet to
help spread the love and use your words to tell emily all about it.

here's a repost of my earlier request...addresses are at the end.

>i confess, i've been putting off writing this post.  hoping i'd come up
>with some words powerful enough to empty your pockets into large checks.
>pay to the order of billings house ($100, $36, $250, $5 and my firstborn,
>$17.57 which is everything i own, $25, etc etc) in honor of emily
>saliers.  happy birthday emily, and thanks for sharing your soul, for making
>me feel less alone during the roughest years, for being a catalyst and an
>inspiration for this community which is too special for words and has
>introduced so many of us to so many of our dearest friends, for
>understanding how much your music means to us and for letting us see how
>much we mean to you, for being surprised and touched when the audience
>knows the words to ghost and for watching with reverence as amy begins
>chickenman, for admitting your fears in airplane and language or the
>kiss, for providing the lyrics to let me practice saying "i'm gay" before
>i was ready to say them on my own, for the liner notes on back together
>again which remind us that our own writing can improve and mature as
>yours has and that there's still something special to the words we've
>strung together in the past, for being able to laugh at yourself and
>being able to be serious too, for standing up for what you believe in,
>for not giving up on the dream, for caring so passionately about so much....
>
>
>
>my words will never be enough to express it, no gift will ever be enough
>to express it, but we have to try.  if you're reading this you know what
>i'm talking about, you know what emily has meant to you and done for
>you.  it's time to give something back.  as a community we've selected
>billings house, an aids hospice in atlanta, to be the receipient of a
>donation made in emily's honor for her birthday.  but it is individuals
>who make up the community, whose dollars will make up the donation, whose
>personal messages will make up the card.  you matter.  imagine if each of
>us gave five dollars.  that's less than what it costs to trade two boots,
>hardly a dent in your pocket, but together it adds up.....and it
>represents a lot of love.  if we can give more, even better....the folks
>at the billings house can use all the help we can give them.  we raised
>$2500 for honor the earth for amy's birthday....can we do it again?  will
>you be a part of it?
>
>me, i'm writing out my check now, pay to the order of the billings house
>and sending it to
>
>deb reiser
>3166 north 89th street
>milwaukee, wi 53222
>
>and writing a note to emily for the card, including my email addy and
>sending that to mandi martin,  mandi96@airmail.net
>
>
>a huge thank you to everyone who's already contributed, to everyone who's
>reaching for their checkbooks, and especially to deb and mandi and greta for
>making it happen.
>
>let those green symbols of gratitude roll in!
>
>sincerely,
>audrey beth stein

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 11:08:25 -0400
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could someone send me the chords to galileo?
thanks in advance.

steve

section 3 row x seat 42 -- basically nearer to the center and half way back
of the shed -- bought the day it went onsale -- paid 42.75 with the five
buck phone charge

will sell for 35.00 -- email me -- i can't go and need the money
mike r.

in a message dated 97-07-11 06:19:37 edt, bf2brland@sprintmail.com (barb &
twink) writes:

snip:
<<
         let me first say that it was my girlfriend barb who came up with
this... and got it "sticking" in my head!  okay, so what i want y'all to
do is cue up "get out the map"... start thinking "orange juice
commercial"... and then play it!  play it again & again!  i sat and
envisioned a & e sitting down in ga drinking oj w/their friends, driving
in their cars sipping oj, and yes, reading a map while drinking oj!  i
can just drive myself crazy with this... almost picturing the whole
video i could create from this perspective if i had the equipment and a
& e completely at my disposal!
  >>

yes!
except in my vision they're doing all the above described actions, and giving
the finger to those they pass on the way out of town.

karen

i don't want to imagine what these pants will smell like over time if all you
do is
wipe them down after each use =========:-o

in a message dated 97-07-11 08:26:36 edt, kim writes:

>there are lots of leather-looking pants out there that are actually
>vinyl or some other synthetic material. my girlfriend has a brown pair
>and they are pretty darn cool. the best part? laundering instructions:
>wipe with a damp cloth...

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when i got home yesterday and opened the mail, i found i was the lucky
recipient of a t-shirt that a friend purchased at the berkeley show. i
haven't really paid attention to list discussions about tour t-shirts
because i was sure i'd never get one (i live in s. florida - no dates
scheduled yet, but we're trying to keep the faith.) when my close
personal friend lisa t. was home last week, she offered to get me a
shirt the next time she saw them and started explaining what the shirts
look like. but it's all pretty muddy in my mind.
anyway, my point, and i do have one: i think this shirt might be a
bootleg shirt. i'll describe it. if any of y'all that went to any of the
shows listed on the back of the shirt remembers it being sold inside the
venue, please let me know. i can't wear it out into the world if it
ain't the genuine article.
the shirt is white. the front has a silkscreen of the dolls in black. in
the upper right of the screen "indigo girls" and "shaming of the sun" is
superimposed in yellow type with red outline. in the bottom center of
the screeen "shame on you" is printed in the same colors. the back of
the shirt features "indigo girls" in purple type with black outline.
under that, the following shows are listed in black letters with blue
outline:
los angeles, ca - phoenix, az - berkeley, ca - jacksonville, or - st.
paul, or - seattle, wa - morrison, co. under these, in black type, is
"shaming of the sun tour 1997." actually, now that i think about it, the
shirt is quite ugly, but i've got another ugly shirt from a past tour
that i wear occasionally, so who knows?.

i see your point with the orange juice. my friend who is a new indigo fan
said it sounded like a commercial as well.
-stine-
in a message dated 97-07-11 06:20:46 edt, bf2brland@sprintmail.com (barb &
twink) writes:

<< y, so what i want y'all to
do is cue up "get out the map"... start thinking "orange juice
commercial"... and then play it! >>

i hate to complain, but some of the messages posted recently are really
getting ridiculous ~~

if it has no ig contact, then put it in the subject line !!!!!

and the "me too", etc - one line posts have to go
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you agree with someone, send the e-mail back to that person stating that
you agree !!! isn't our mailing list system set up so the "reply" button
contains the persons e-mail address that orginially posted what you would be
replying to ???

sorry to moan and waste bandwith, but i feel this needs to be address once
again ...

my fingers are getting tired of hitting delete !!!!

chris

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does anyone know what the no-no's at the pier are (ie no cameras, no
food, no recording devices, etc.)? and do they actually enforce these or
do they end up not searching and saying it's on your honor? one
more question, how early do people start lining up? i think i'll be
getting there at noon, is that a good time? thanks to anybody who can help.
-sam

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first, anyone out there know who i should call to get my address changed
for the indigo girls fan club mailing thingy? and, if it is the russell
carter office, could someone email me the #?

second, anyone know if the peace sign bumper sticker is still
available? and, is it possible to purchase stuff over the phone with
russell carter?

ok, i think that's all for now. :) email me with any answers you might
have! thanks!!!
renee

   omygawd is all i can say!  ok, not alll i can say, but still... :)  the
show was fantastic!!!  here's my little review for y'all...bear with me :)
   ok, first off, i had camped the night before about an hour away from
champoeg...it rained allll night, so we were a little damp in the morning.
needless to say, when we got to champoeg and it was sunny, we were in
heaven!  we got to the parking lot about 5pm...gates opened at 5:30.  there
was a line already formed, so we got at the back of it and played the name
game untill we could enter the ampitheater :)
of course the crowd was great...as seems to always be the case at oregon
shows!  we got settled with our burritos and waited for miss michelle malone
to come onstage--which she did, almost promptly on-time at 7pm.  i really
didn't know who was opening, and was extra-especially excited when i found
out it was michelle! :) (although i still really want to hear lift)  michelle
played a great set...very powerful.  i don't know her stuff very well, but i
loved what i heard.  the in-between-michelle-and-the-girls time wasn't very
long, since they had all their stuff set up and ready to go.  they opened
with tangled up in blue--i was soooo amazed!!  i love that song and never
ever expected to hear them play it live...it rocked! :)  now, i know this
sucks, but i didn't have anything to write down the setlist with, so my
memory has to do it's thing.  this won't be in chronological order or
anything, though.  they played(i'm going to spell them out, not abbreviate :)
:
three hits(never heard this one live before...yipee!), ghost, joking,
galileo, tried to be true, pushing the needle too far (ooooohhhhhh...this was
great), least complicated, get out the map, caramia, leeds (emily put soooo
much emotion into this one), scooter boys (this one was amazing...they
totally jammed on it, even adding part of chickenman in the middle,
ahhh...:), everything in it's own time, hey kind friend, shame on you, shed
your skin, it's alright, cut it out.  besides tuib, they also covered wild
horses(by the stones) and redemption song(by marley)... these were incredible
tunes to cover!!  and of course ended with closer to fine.  i think they
might have played touch me fall, and they played one more too, but i can't
remember the name...:) sorry...it's the one that sort of sounds like ctf in
the beginning (not words, but guitar).  one part of the show that was so
amazing, and blew me completely away was how hard the band jammed on some
songs...i've never really heard them jam before...they just went off on
songs!!:)  i think it was soy that they played and played and amy said
something about it being the radio version...jokingly :)  plus she said
towards the end, "this song is gonna go on all night!"  and then afterwards
she said, "i was hoping to turn this into an acoustical jam but emily
wouldn't put down her electric guitar!" hee hee....
   i heard soundcheck...how amazing :)...some of it anyway.  i heard them do
nashville, watershed, let it be me etc....
   this might sound mushy or something, but it seemed like there was so much
love in the air that night...amy and em kept saying how beautiful it was and
how beautiful we were...how great of a crowd (something about how the crowds
are up here).  of course they complemented us on our singing :)  they admired
the sunset...and asked who was going camping (they said they were too :)  i
don't know, i've been to shows where either amy or em seems a tad tired, or
not in the greatest mood...but everything that night just clicked, and the
crowd was fantastic too, i've never heard such loud singing at a show
before!!! :)
   after the show we waited around a while so we didn't have to deal with too
much traffic...we stopped by the t-shirt, etc booth so i could buy one of
michelle's cd's and since she was there i also got her to autograph it for me
:)  she's very nice :)                anyway's, i guess that's
all...everything was just great...a show like that makes me want to leave
today and follow the girls for the rest of the summer (as if i didn't want to
just a little bit before...but this cements it :)
love to all...
jen

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 13:27:31 -0400
reply-to:     michael cunningham <nypro.mcunningham@sdps.org>
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since commonbond bailed on the ny date......grrrrrrrrr........ and they're
from way far away dc...... will they be coming back to this far north any
time soon? i know about the phila. date btw, but i'm not that
adventurous on a "school night"!

any relevant info. would be greatly appreciated (guinione???)
also, any irrelevant info. would be welcome as well b/c i'm really bored
and i love bandwidth ...................... (and writing it too
-----sorry!--don't get mad)

btw how is that colors of life live album by these guys? better than the
first album? ???

enjoy the weekend,
thanks for all you time,
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good bye, moonlight lady
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
mkc

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hey kind friends...
as hard as it is to type this, i will.  here goes...
>>>>>>>
their album's not a minute old when the indigo girls manage to condemn all
white people (themselves excluded) for the sin of being uptight about a
park with a lot of minorites.  by then, you've figured this is not the disc
to chanage any minds about amy ray or emily saliers.  either you wince at
their earnest political correctness and bad poetry or worship their
harmonies and dedication to their beliefs.  if lines like "it's dark at
four p.m. in leeds, the steeples pierce the skylight till the last of it
bleeds," turns you on, then go for it.  although the indigo girls try to
toughen their sound a little, it doesn't make much difference: this is
preaching to the long since converted.
>>>>>>>

first, as an avid reader of criticism of all types, the first thing that
stands out (and is my pet peeve in reviews like this) is that this david
bauder guy basically says that fans of the girls like bad poetry. it's not
bad poetry, and i hate when critics try to connect fans of a band, movie,
writer with something like that. i could go on, but i'm late...
stephen

i have it on tape...it's pretty cool...maybe i can make a wav of it...i'll
try! :)
~jen

oops..sorry all...got my months wrong!!! aack!
:)jen

i am signing off the list for a while b/c i am going to be working at a camp
for a month and than going to hawaii and than back to the university of
delaware for school. i have enjoyed my little time on the list and had great
conversations with a lot of people. i hope you all have a great summer and
keep an indigo soul.
love ya all,
stine

"if we'd ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
-emily saliers-

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 14:47:06 -0400
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harumph. methinks amy and emily are having a little fun, ghostwriting
their own bad reviews to sabotage attempts to turn them into celebrity
icons. i meant they did just sell a shitload of albums....

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 15:02:30 -0500
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hi y'all,

i'm looking for someone who taped the ppv show (taped it yourself, didn't
get it from trant) who might be willing to dub one for me.  unfortunately
i'm not going to be in the same place as my ig bootlegs for about 6 weeks,
or i'd offer a trade, but i could send a video tape or $$.  trant has been
_exceptionally_ good to me since the first copy i got was kinda screwy on
my vcr - i got a free replacement, and when that didn't work, i got
another! (a big public "thank you," trant!)   all i can figure out is that
for some wierd reason, none of my vcr's are compatible with this
particular recording. (and i do have pretty modern, reliable vcr's...)
whatever!

i'd be eternally grateful to anyone who can hook me up with a copy!

cursing herself for not getting cable,
deb the indigeek

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i don't take that kind of criticism of the girls seriously.
i mean, they're working their butts off to make the world
a better place, doing what they feel is right, making a real
difference, and empowering others to do the same.  it's ok
to have a problem with some part of that process if you have
suggestions for how to better it.  it's ok to disagree with
what they believe in.  it's fine to dislike their music.
but this guy's just preaching to himself.

elizabeth

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 14:26:12 -0500
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pull out the tissue because i have a sad, sad tale to tell...

i have this cute little fella of a concert ticket that's been hanging out on
the front door of my frig for the past month. he sits there, quite well
behaved i might add, chatting up a storm with the little ig 'frigerator
magnet i made out of one of my sots stickers. he's about 2x5 inches and he
goes by the name of pinky. he doesn't eat much and gets along great with
pets. dusty and c-moon are always asking him to come out and play but i
really don't want them to roughhouse so i always end up telling the dogs
"no". yes the four of us have cemented quite a bond but my true love calls
so i feel the need to end my relationship with pinky.

you see my sweetie beth is moving the weekend of the concert and if i want
to continue referring to her as my sweetie beth my butt best be in
bloomington, indiana as opposed to my butt being in the seat that pinky
represents. life is full of sacrifices and this <sniff> is one of them.

is there someone out there in ig land who has room in their life for
pinky??? perhaps sharing pinky's particulars will help some; however, he's
quite humble himself and will probably be embarrassed when he hears of what
i shared. my mom always said it ain't bragging if you can back it up so he
will just have to get comfy with what i did. anyway, bonding with pinky will
allow you a spot in the 7th row of the front center section. specifically
it's seat 27, row g, sec 103. basically that should put your butt smack dab
in front of amy. pinky knows his stuff ;)

i know many of you on the list are out in nose-bleed country or behind
poles, so here's your chance to upgrade. the show is on august 9th so i know
there's plenty of time of work out the particulars. if you can provide a
good home for pinky please email me.

thanks for your time,

deb

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date:         fri, 11 jul 1997 15:42:19 -0400
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does anybody know where i can get the rock for choice cd??

i want to contribute to my number one cause, freedom of choice....

thanks-
karrie

deb wrote:

<< i recently saw cyndi lauper (don't laugh) open for tina turner (hot, hot,
hot) and i was blown away by what she did with time after time. she slowed
it way down and added a dulcimer which helped to made it sound more folky,
perhaps even gaelic. she also changed the phrasing. it was beautiful. i
really wish ig would risk more on stage. >>

i saw cyndi lauper when she opened for tina, too, and to my surprise cyndi
was great. she rocks! even with a big pregnant tummy she hopped down from
the stage and wandered all through the huge crowd singing and high-fiving,
even up into the lawn seats (the security guys went nuts). she and her tight
band played a wonderful opening set and impressed me enough that i went out
and bought "sisters of avalon" (which is quite good, btw).

as for the indigo girls risking more onstage, i think they're doing just that
with the new material. even though some fans don't like the
rock/hiphop/worldbeat influences and pronounced electric sound on sots, a&e
are growing and changing artistically and certainly their concerts on this
tour reflect that. i wouldn't mind if they added verses or changed the tempo
of some of the older songs... but then the nostalgic part of me sure enjoys
the sing-along experience, too.

i agree that amy's white pants were leather or leather-like. i'm not a big
fan of white pants myself but somehow it works for her.

yes, i also noticed the photographs of gillian anderson and david duchovny on
amy's amp along with a big x sticker. an x-files fan?

i was thinking...  at the saturday night show in berkeley during one of the
many technical problems, amy held up her 1969 black fender stratocaster (with
original pickups except for the one she just replaced) and showed us all the
stickers, etc.  and emily plays a cool sunburst vintage strat on one of the
songs.  i wonder how many instruments they play during one concert?  there
seemed to be about 30 guitars of all types lined up just offstage, not to
mention banjos, dulcimers, mandolins, etc.  when was the last concert you've
seen in which someone played the bouzouki?  ;-)

susan (still buzzing from 2 berkeley shows)

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so remember how i said i'd write more about the show, well here it is...
first, the set list:
tangled up in blue w/mm
three hits
get out the map
cut it out
it's alright
tried to be true
(introduce the band)
caramia
hey kind friend (ar:...and i'm calling from a champoeg camp ground..)
least complicated (everyone sang!)
shame on you
ghost
pushing the needle too far (a breaks 2 strings)
redemption song
leeds
shed your skin
(someone throws a wreath of flowers on stage and a tries to put it on and
e says "it makes you look like jesus")
everything in it's own time
scooter boys...some chickenman..some sad eyes soldier...
galileo (ar: "it's time to celebrate")

encore:
i don't wanna know w/mm
wild horses w/mm
closer to fine w/mm, sara, jerry, and josh

mm opened, but i don't know her stuff well enough to give a correct set
list.  emily came out and played for a while though.  if people are
interested in what they played before/during/between sets, what i remember
is 2 rem songs, black boys on mopeds (sinead), a u2 cover, and gypsy
kings.  as far as the leather debate goes, let me restate that i think
they were pvc, that's poly vinyl chloride-no slaughterhouse products
pants.  as i said earlier, i made a boot of the concert.  it has turned
out to be 2 90 min tapes.  i've been swamped with requests, so i'm trying
to set up a tree with someone else on the list.  anyway, i think i've
replied to everyone who wanted a copy.  i hope you all like it =)  so, of
course, the concert was great.  i'm jealous of all of you who are seeing
them in seattle for the next three days...
java

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hello--

is anyone out there on the indigo girls sony list
(indigogirls@listserv.music.sony.com)? i got info on it from the ig web
site by entering information in the "fan club" area. is it worth
subscribing to this list, also?

please email me privately if you can tell me about this list. thanks!

cheryl
cheryl@discover-net.net

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well the single is finally released here - and the really frightening (note
there is a grammatical error in the text)
drum media (sydney) have contributed an interesting interpretation of soy

****drum media review of shame on you******by ross clelland (reprint without
permission)
which of them is the one who writes the rockier songs? coz this is one from
that half of the duo, with a (sic) almost
latin beat and story of getting wasted south of the border (as in mexico,
not wodonga) with conversation chuckle in
the vocal that sounds like they were listening to some early springsteen
records while recording. as extras you get
a couple of tunes from the 1200 curfews live album that came and went with
nary a bubble some months back, and
you can listen to just everybody singing along to closer to fine and least
complicated (ie, their 'greatest hits') as
offered up here.
****************************************************************************
********

hmm wasted eh? another drinking song :-)
regards,
sandy

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rose said:
i don't want to imagine what these pants will smell like over time if all
you
do is
wipe them down after each use =========:-o

sandy said:
amy

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hey everyone!

this just in to me... i sent an inquiry at the following url to ask if
michelle malone would be performing at polaris for lilith fair:

http://www.hidwater.com/hwmessages.html

this is the response i just received back!

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     date: fri, 11 jul 1997 18:43:38 -0400 (edt)
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dear bridget,

a quick answer to your question...polaris amp is part of lilith fair.
mm is on at 3.30pm and then at night with the indigo girls.
hope to see you there.

xoox
pati
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heh heh... what can i say? yeeesssss! :)
twink! (who's all smiles knowing she'll hear michelle this year!)

ok to start, trying to go in order of my subject line:

my p. o. box has been painfully empty all week! i'm dying to get some new
boots!!! anyone who is interested in a trade, please email me. i don't care
if you have nothing to trade & just want my boot list to crib some stuff off
me - i'm desperate to do some boot work!!!!!

next:  are there any listees in the nw fla/south alabama area that might be
interested in having a wish-ig-would-come-here listgather???  i'm in
pensacola if anyone is close enough to be interested in hanging out or
sending up smoke signals to a & e saying "come this way!!!!!"  :)  anyone???
email me!!!! please!!!!

third: was anyone at the pensacola show at the bayfront auditorium for the
swamp ophelia tour????? if you were, and/or you got a boot or pics from this
show, please email me!!!!

peace, harmony and indigo,

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michael cunningham wrote:

> btw how is that colors of life live album by these guys? better than the
> first album? ???

the second album is entitled "4 bowls of colour" and it is a lot better
than the first, imho. which, btw, ... is not to say that the first album
is not good.
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hi, all, john clarified (seeminly definitively) the mystery guy who so
sweetly handed me a pick at the jacksonville, oregon show..his name is
trace. some of y'all sent me sweet words and inquiries about this new ig
techy...hope this answers everyone's curiosity. re posted with his
permission...=) thanks john! and thanks to everyone who wrote =)

seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

john miller wrote:
>hi seona,

>>the stage...asking for a pick, he leaned down and pressed a pick
(not-used) into my palm.  i looked up and he winked at me.  i gasped and
thanked him.  i was happy, happy, happy!  i collected myself, and waited
to get his attention.  asked his name..."trace" (like on a piece of
paper **he didn't actually say this**), he said.  then i said "thank
you" and winked back.

>yes, that's "trace", former stage-tech for melissa etheridge... since
she's not touring (she's just being a new mom this year), all of her
entourage is out working elsewhere... melissa's bass-player is touring
with paula cole and her incredible drummer is touring with john
fogerty... just like sara lee spent last year touring with ani difranco
because there were no ig tours.

>glad to hear you had such a nice indigo-moment. :) trace is ok!

>john miller
>san jose ca

(besides the complete p. simon discography)

amy doing "shadowplay" by joy division
both doing "love will tear us apart" or "transmission"
em could be fierce and do "she's lost control" with a miracirous reunion of
ejs... (amy on bass!!!!!!)

listening to waay too many joy division bootlegs on a weekend while i'm
bored and exausted!!!!

(but _it would be f'narking awesome_ )

listen to the silence, let it ring on....
mike r,

by any chance, does anyone out there have or know the chords/tab for weakness
in me? almost every other song (give or take a few) i can find posted on
olga...

and while i am on the subject i would like to thank liz, carolyn, and
everyone else who has been nice enough to sporadically post their
painstakingly figured chords on to the list--i love ya'll!

celeste

in a message dated 97-07-11 06:19:37 edt, bf2brland@sprintmail.com (barb &
twink) writes:

<< hmmm, well, perhaps others have their versions to tell of how
they'd put a & e in such a video centered around oj? it might be fun to
hear, huh? >>

i'm reading this post around midnight, and i get distracted and start
thinking about orange juice and soon end up on a train of thought something
like orange juice -> raisin bran -> super market -> stickers -> winnie the
pooh -> jackie o. -> wisconsin -> a cross country road trip -> a used honda,
when suddenly i snap back to reality.  i look up and read the above quoted
paragraph and think:  "an ig video about oj simpson?"  and suddenly i'm
thinking that this song could take on a whole new meaning!  "we'll leave the
figurin' to those we pass on the way out of town"?  all about the mystery
duffle bag!  "the saddest sight . . . that big ball of orange sinking . . . "
see, it's all about how his reputation went straight down hill!!!  and: "me,
i'm sitll tryin' to live half a life on the road . . . . around the corner i
can see a resting place."  the bronco 'chase' where 'the juice' was
supposedly heading to the cemetary?

it all makes sense now!!! can't you see that?!?!?

and i don't think emily and johnnie cochran have ever been seen in the same
room together, have they?

i rest my case.

severely tired,
elizabeth

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
*my family vacation*

my 6 year-old sister: "can't you all see? we are in the middle of nowhere!
don't you all get it?!? the middle of **nowhere**!!!!

my mom: "squirt, welcome to new hampshire . . . "

http://members.aol.com/wishmonstr/ewebpg.htm
* * * * * * * * * * * * *

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hey fortunate ones~ (except for deb r. and her little pinky :.(

        due to both bad fortune and good fortune, i am able to offer a
*partial* bootleg tape of the austin, tx 6-27-97 show.
        the story is -- these two women sitting behind me, trant and kris at
the austin show got busted by the security guard when their tape recorder
fell on the ground and batteries rolled everywhere :o  security smashed the
tape and threw it on the ground.  but the ever ambitious trant batey rescued
the tape after the show and spliced it a few times and re-wound it onto a
new cassette (how's that for industrious? -- you go trant ;)
        anyhow, it was trant's intention to return the tape to it's owners,
but they have not been located.  (if the owner is out there, please contact
me or trant 'cause we're still saving the original for you! :)
        so after some begging by me, trant has agreed to let me copy the
tape for our list :)  it's about 90 minutes and pretty good quality.  it
ends during the middle of that *most incredible* version of chickenman - the
one with emily singing real good for free, amy singing cortez the killer,
followed by the chiapas/zapatista soc.  unfortunately, all of that is not on
the tape for the reason described above.
        amyray, i need about 8-10 branches to distribute this boot.  please
reply privately and once i get the distribution set up, i'll make the boot
available to the list :)

happy, happy!
tony

i       tony, da chickenman - houston, texas, usa       g
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g       us away to our extinction -  emily saliers      s
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hate me list if you must, but i keep deleting email messages that i'll
need in the future.
laura i got your two tapes in the mail today and i'll be sending out 2
this week :) tricia

hey hey indigoland,

does anyone have any info on the lilith fair complilation cd. the site has
the indigo girls track as "all my fears". the cd is only being sold at 9west
stores. i'm gonna run down to my favorite 9west and see what the deal is.

smiles :-)
annemarie

this may interest those who collect all that is indigo:

i have a collection of magazines that i have assembled over the years for
using in art projects.  every time i move, however, i whittle the
collection down to only the most essential (i.e. those that will fit
in one milk crate).  while sorting through them for my recent move, i came
across a copy of the april 16, 1996 advocate that for some reason caught
my eye, and i started reading.  near the back, there is a column called
"the buzz - the inside scoop on the spiciest entertainment news" that
mentins the ig receiving an award at the los angeles gay and lesbian
community services center's all-star women's night xiii.  there is a small
(and i mean small) picture of emily shaking hands with jessica hecht and
jane sibbett.

point being that i am not particularly attached to this magazine, and if
there is someone out there that collects random ig stuff like this and
wants it, i would be glad to give it to him or her.  just e-mail me if you
want it.  if there is more than one person, i will scan the article and
e-mail it to whomever (whoever, whatever)  wants it.

steve

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duhhh!
my eyeballs read commonbond, ... but my brain said red letter day.
sorry about that.

> michael cunningham wrote:
>
> > btw how is that colors of life live album by these guys? better than the
> > first album? ???
>
> the second album is entitled "4 bowls of colour" and it is a lot better
> than the first, imho. which, btw, ... is not to say that the first album
> is not good.

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hi all....
sad story, altho not as sad as the pinkster :)

i was going to visit my beloved ms cassa in denver
and goto the red rox show.. called her and had her buy
us tix for what would be our first ig concert together
*sigh......

anyways, plans failed, i cant go, she cant get a babysitter
(dont ask) and well all in all the tix are available here for
the purchase price.. so here are the stats!!!

thurs, july 17
sec b
aisle dd
row f
seat 4 & 5

tix are 27.50 a peice.... first response is yours...
i will tell you were to send the $$ and you'll give me your addy etc etc

thanks guys.. she really is bummed, i'm bummed
and well.. we would like to get these happy tix a home
thanks all ya'll
anj
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does anyone know what the effect of the new government in mexico has been on
the situation in chiapas?

erica

hey all,

i was wondering if anyone out there, either knowledgeable or experienced,
would be able to tell me what else there is at the lilith fair, as in
ways of special booths, or things like that. do they even have any? or
is is simply the two stages of music? (not that i would complain about
that...)

-- samantha

in a message dated 97-07-12 07:05:07 edt, you write:

> rose said:
> i don't want to imagine what these pants will smell like over time if all
> you do is wipe them down after each use =========:-o

polyester horses do this *all the time* ! ;)

jude :)

"don't get anal on me, baby" sung to the tune of "don't give up on me,
baby..."

it's an adult tune ;)

oh, peace, you know i love you guys :)...really :)

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i have 1 ticket available for the sunday show. $25.00

i will be gone to the sat show tonight so will not check my email
until tomorrow.

might be better to call and leave a message on the machine.
206-764-4649

be sure to leave your phone# so i can return your call.

paula

p.s. friday night pier show was awesome!!

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i am interested in buying one ticket for sunday's show (7/13). please
email me or call me at 548-9974 if you have a ticket you are looking to
sell.

thanks
jen murphy

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ok ya'll, i have to respond to this one...
wait...i'm turning on gotm to get in the mood...

my own personal interpretation of the oj thang...

the saddest sight my eyes can see
is that big ball of orange sinking slyly down the trees
<see amy sitting on the grass-picnic style-looking thru
the trees but she sees a huge orange instead of the sun...
of course she's sippiin from the oj>

sittin in a broken circle
while you rest upon my knee
<emily's on the blanket as well strumin on her guitar>

this perfect moment will soon be leaving me
<they pack up and go home...>

<now they're on a porch or sumthin at home...
omnipresent glass of oj is on the table and they're
talking on the phone>...could that be to suzanne??? lol
suzanne calls from boston
the coffee's hot the corn is high
and that same sun that warms your heart
will suck that good earth dry
with everything it's opposite enough to keep you cryin
or keep this old world spinnin
with a twinkle in its eye

<they're back in the car-black corvette convertible *winking at tig!!!*
-with oj in the drink holders>
get out the map
get out the map and lay your finger anywhere down
we'll leave the figuring to those we pass on our way out of town

<suddenly they cut to jfk-yuck-and they're drinking from the
water fountains...amy chokes on the water--don't worry...
she's ok- and emily hands her a glass of oj>
don't drink the water there seems to be something ailing everyone

i'm gonna clear my head
i'm gonna drink that sun
i'm gonna love you good and strong
while our love is good and young
<drivin off into the sunset with the big orange as the setting sun>

so how bout it...a little sick huh...but it just seems to fit
kinda like the wiz and pink floyd...hmmmmm...

well, that's enough from me...back to lurkdom (and julie)
<insert huge wink at tig and grl>

ruthie

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hey everyone...so i lied...just another thing...
i'm getting kinda jealous of all of those lucky babers so...

big shout out to everyone in the general nyc vicinity...
how bout a we-got-a-taste-of-ig-a-few-weeks-ago-and-realize-
how-fortunate-we-are-but-we-really-wish-they'd-come-back-
list meet??? anyone?

ruthie <-- going back to her ig cds

putting 5 ig cds into the changer
and pressing <random> is sooooo much fun!!!

well, i have been watching the women'g golf open,
and i have seen nancy lopez for the last two days wearing a sara lee visor.
now i know that that, written in that sort of script,
it could imply pound cake instead of awsome bass, but...
it is my suspicion that she must be a big fan of our sara lee.

deb b

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hey all--

i saw someone's post earlier about michelle malone performing at the 8/10
lilith fair, and since i'm going to lilith on 8/9, i naturally wondered if
she'd be there, too. good news for me! i checked the lilith fair home
page and they list michelle as playing august 6 - 10! woohoo!

have a great weekend, everyone.

cheryl
cheryl@discover-net.net

pardon me, but hoooooray.  (i'm seeing aug 8th.)
>
>i saw someone's post earlier about michelle malone performing at the 8/10
>lilith fair, and since i'm going to lilith on 8/9, i naturally wondered if
>she'd be there, too.  good news for me!  i checked the lilith fair home
>page and they list michelle as playing august 6 - 10!  woohoo!
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hey y'all!

whoa!...

now we all discussed whether xena and gabrielle were lesbians
(well at least it was discussed by some lesbian magazines as well as sci
fi ones)....

well, i just saw xena and gabrielle kiss!!!!...well okay, they
pretty much kissed...just a small clip:

gabrielle: "i can't lose you again xena"
xena: "gabrielle, i'll always be here for you"

xena tilts gabrielle's chin, gabrielle closes eyes, camera gets close,
xena's lips pretty much touch gabrielle's, and then the next shot we see
is a man kissing gabrielle (xena's spirit was in the man so the camera
was bringing it back to the present world)...

cool, eh?...

anyway, i do apologize for the non igc content...i obviously do not have
much of a life if i'm sitting at home on a saturday night watching xena
and doing email <big grin>...off to watch the rest of the saturday tv
lineup....
@=d

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in a message dated 97-07-11 05:56:02 edt, bf2brland@sprintmail.com (barb &
twink) writes:

<< oh well, that's prob not too likely, huh? well, i just had to
share w/you cause now thinking this every time you hear the opening
banjo part can drive you all crazy right along with me! i kid you not -
i can't listen to the song w/out these oj thoughts running thru my head!

just think about the former oj spokes people..... anita bryant and rush
limbaugh come to mind. for some reason or another i don't think amy and
emily would fit in too well representing the orange juice industry, even if
the song would be great.

west of bishes
shana (jak)

hey all you fellow listees -

any of you out there play fast pitch softball,
like on a high school team, college team, or
asa women's major team?  i'm interested in
talking to people who are major fp softball
enthusiasts.  i'm also looking to move from
cedar rapids, which only has men's fp
softball, which i play, but which isn't nearly
the same.  our sport is picking up, and
i'm getting left behind!  i'm 25, and after
four years of high school ball, 4 years of
college ball, and several years of open
asa ball, i've got the bug again.  anyone
got any suggestions of where to get an
engineering job where i can also play
women's asa majors?

lisa
lschreihart@juno.com

hey, i've had a cute little ig experience
lately....

i've been majorly outspoken about ig lately,
at work, with friends, in public.   (well, i don't
stand out on a street corner and yell "are you
saved?!  do you listen to the indigo girls?!"
no, i don't go that far.  hmmmm......)

anyway, after my three-concert road-trip last
month, i've been wearing my t-shirts and ig
hat every chance i get (that would be casual
fridays at work and at social functions).  i had
my ig sots hat sitting on my computer at work,
and my engineering supervisor (a 40+ year old
woman) came by my desk and got entirely
enthusistic about the hat.  "hey, cool hat!  where
can i got one?"  huh?  (no one at work gives a
dang about ig, unless they're my friends and
are listening to me rant and rave about a&e,
the concerts i saw and those of you i met on the
trip.  oh, and there's one engineer guy at work
who likes 'em but isn't obsessed like the rest of
us.  :)  ).  getting back to my story....well, i said
"i happen to have an extra one if you'd like to buy
it."  that was all i needed to say.  she gave me
cash right away and is now proud owner of a
green sots tour hat.  she wears it often too,
outside of work, she says, and smiles whenever
she talks about it.  cool, huh?  just when you
least expect it, there's an ig fan/supporter right
around the corner...in the most unlikely of places....
conservative ol' cedar rapids at simple ol' rockwell.
and you thought ig isn't gettin' around.....

lisa

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date:    97-07-12 13:24:08 edt
from:    bbeas48
to:      guinione

in a message dated 97-07-11 20:49:26 edt, you write:

<< my fingers are getting tired of hitting delete !!!!
>>

yeah...? well when your mother and i were your age we had to use erasers to
make things go away........it was the pits.......made little piles of rubber
shavings and sometimes tore a hole in the paper.............and talk about
your fingers getting tired !!!!! i wish i'd had a delete button when i was a
kid.........i woulda deleted everything twice and been happy about
it...............geez.

love and grumpiness,
brian

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> xena tilts gabrielle's chin, gabrielle closes eyes, camera gets close,
> xena's lips pretty much touch gabrielle's, and then the next shot we see
> is a man kissing gabrielle (xena's spirit was in the man so the camera
> was bringing it back to the present world)...

minor correction here....xena didnt touch gabrielle except for the
kiss. in fact, that episode was one of the first filmed after lucy lawless'
accident last fall (where she fell off/was thrown from a horse filming a
skit for the tonight show, and fractured her pelvis in 4 places),
and she and renee (gabrielle) were not even in the same room when that
scene was filmed.

if you like subtext, check out the episode in 2 weeks called "a
day in the life". as one of the writers tortured us on the xena list
before it first aired, i have two words: hot tub.

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there are booths at the shows...some clothing booths, some jewelry booths, a
ninewest shoes booth (??), a nettwerk records booth, a borders booth, a
lililth fair booth...at my shows there were 3 t-shirt booths...some food
booths, maybe a beer garden. that's all i remember! :) hope it helps!
~jen

hey folks, i just scanned in some pics from the sd concert and finally got
them up on my other web page... my school web page is stupid.... so here's my
geocities address. i'm still working on making the picture page look nice.
right now it's just a bunch of pictures... i don't know what's wrong with
the bottom picture, i'll work on fixing that next week.
~ren
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/heights/2330/index.html

for all who are not familiar with humboldt county in california...we're
located on the coast about 300 miles north of san francisco/bay area...and
usually, i don't listen to the radio...we hardly ever actually...but
lately, i've been feeling out of touch with the rest of the world, so i've
been making efforts to listen to different music, new and old.  lo and
behold, i think i've found a station worth listening to on a regular
basis.  khum 104.3 fm.  today was really the first day i've listened to
the radio up here in the last 6 years of being in this area...i heard,
ig--least complicated, it's alright, and another i can't remember...they
also play classic rock, but not too much, joni mitchell, bonnie raitt,
some oldies, and lots of folk rock!  i'm so excited!  they also support
the local artists up here, every saturday nite (i think) they broadcast
live from some club or pub/brewery.  i'm very excited!  they even do
non-stop music for 45-1 hour at a time of the same artists!  beatles last
time!

anyways, i just got really excited cuz i just heard it's alright on the
radio. thought i'd share. =)

bye!
seona

wow, dar williams twice within the last hour! cool!
=)

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hey y'all-

i have an extra copy of watershed that i'd like to send to a new home.
it's brand new, still all wrapped up and everything.  i'll send it your
way for $20 (i'll take care of the shipping).  if you want it, let me
know.  first come, first serve.

thanks,
mandi

i had to post this to my netspacy friends =)
it is definitely has no ig content...so delete now if you don't want to
read about jodie foster and her movie contact.

oh, i think i just heard nanci griffith on this cool new (to me) ig
playin' radio station! =)
------------

ok, on to jodie (a little long...but fun)
i saw a matinee of the new film with jodie foster this afternoon
(it's long, about 2:45 min)...contact. it's based on carl sagan's novel
(god bless his
soul), and it is a really great movie...not really a love movie, althought
it's got a bit of romance, ... it's not really a sci-fi thriller like
indie day was, although it's got adventure that got me covering my mouth
and eyes wide open, ...it's not really a political film, although it
covers this base too, ...it's not a spiritual/religious film, although
some christians may react to the negative portrayal of "god believers",
and some non-religious/christians may feel like giving a high five with
some scenes, ...

this movie is everything that makes movies good...the story is exciting,
and delves deeply into issues that pervade our "technologically aging"
society, it's about faith (not just in god or science...but in the
unknown, ...it's about following some of the politics in government,
...it's about wondering if the president actually got paid or if it was
voluntary =)

it's a really good film...i don't buy videos hardly (although i'd like to
get a copy of disney's the little mermaid...=), but when this comes out on
video, i'm going to get it...and watch it often.

jodie foster is such a talented actor!  and matthew mcconeigh (sp?) is
just really cute (especially in "a time to kill").  he's less in the movie
and jodie truly has the starring role in this film.  so , so talented.  i
even browsed the web for any interesting articles or interviews with her,
and came up with tons!  even one that she wrote for esquire mag in dec of
82, after an attempt was made at rregean's life, to impress ms foster!
it's titled, why me? by jodie foster.

ok, enought nigc, sorry...but i'm just so thrilled with this movie!  and
reading about foster really makes me motivated to do more with my life!
=)  so i thought i'd hop on line instead and talk to y'all!  this is truly
motivating and theraputic!  thanks y'all....now i'm starting to run on and
on and on....

bye!
hey all those who went to the seattle shows, we want to hear some reviews!
=)

bye! really this time,
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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hey y'all~

the watershed video has been claimed, so obviously, the offer is closed.

~mandi

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good morning all y'all!

i'm travelling on business this week so i'm coming to you live from the
peachtree state, specifically atlanta! yeee haw!

just wanted to tell y'all about an article i read in the boston herald as i
was flying south yesterday...cdnow did a survey of bands you can't miss and
bands you must miss...anyhoo, they said "nationaly, u2 was the overwhelming
favorite for 'not-to-be-missed' show (27%), followed by beck (19%), dave
matthews band (12%) and the indigo girls (11%). respondents' least favorite
act was marilyn manson..."

yay! #4 is none too shabby for a national poll!

well, gotta go....my cousin said she's going to take me to buy some boiled
peanuts today...i said "as in '...boiled peanuts in their bags to warm their
fingers?'" she said "exactly!" whoo hoo!

have a nice day y'all!

joni :o)

anyone with a ticket to the sunday show at the pier that would be willing to
part with please call me at (425) 771-6496 (you may call collect) asap...i
bought a ticket from someone on the list last week and mailed them my check
and the ticket never came in the mail and i am mucho disappointed... :(

thanks,
kerry

hello, my little (amy) rays of sunshine! =)
      not too very much igc, but i have a question and a suggestion. =)  i
like to rhyme all the time! ;)  in nashville, whan is lilith fair?  i think i
might like to be there.  it really depends on who is going to play...
michelle and ig all in one day?  so that's the question that i pose; many
thanks to anyone who knows! =)

my suggestion is a simple one- if you haven't ordered, get it done!  i know
you all need michelle's stuff; one can never have enough!  so get those
orders to me soon; you all will need "beneath the devil moon"... =)  any
questions?  send 'em here.  i'll answer them and make things clear. =)  "no
more rhyming and i mean it!", "anybody want a peanut?"

peace, love, and butter biscuits, sarah (bo- barah)

in a message dated 7/13/97 4:40:42 am, pegasus@crl.com (amy j. putnam) wrote:

<<minor correction here....xena didnt touch gabrielle except for the kiss.>>

k... here i go perpetuating nigc.... their lips never met. fancy editting.
wishful thinking. didn't happen. nut-uh. nope. no.

dee

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hey seattleheads (etc.),

having just attended the first two of the three seattle shows, i noticed
quite a different mood from friday to saturday. did any of you who
attended get that feeling too?
both great shows, but the playlists from friday (lots of new stuff), to the
saturday show (lots of older stuff) was rather amazing!
i, actually, was thrilled with the variety. but the wierd thing was how on
saturday, the girls were sort of "flighty" (???!) is that a bad thing?? no.
they seemed to change thier set frequently, and had breaks in the songs at
times where they looked at one another and weren't sure what to do.
of course, they rocked on through!
both nights were awesome and i can see why all of you who were able to see
them numerous times earlier this spring had so much to say that was wonderful!
come on seattle (et al), tell us what you thought!!!

i'll be there again tonight,
lovies,
stacy.

"it's really good to see you rocking out
and having fun," dar williams ("better things")

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date:         sun, 13 jul 1997 11:27:02 -0700
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hey kind friends!

i have ten volunteers to be branches for the austin boot. (thanks
y'all!!)
they will be sending me blank tapes so i can dub the boot for them and then
i will post the branches to the list, so the rest of you can get a copy, if
you want.
stay tuned for more details :)

the poultry guy
tony

in a message dated 97-07-12 20:02:41 edt, you write:

> elizabeth
>
>  * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>  *my family vacation*
>
>  my 6 year-old sister: "can't you all see?  we are in the middle of
nowhere!
>   don't you all get it?!?  the middle of **nowhere**!!!!
>

and wasn't it dylan who said "you only get juice in it" :)

well, better hook up those adolescent blinders cuz ar expressly wanted to do
somethin' in "the middle of nowhere" ;) ahhh, another boot passing in the
middle of the night .......

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good afternoon everyone...(or is it morning? evening??? i'm too tired and
confused!!!) well, whatever it is...it's great!!! *wink*

anyhoosie...someone wrote...

<<i [don't] stand out on a street corner and yell "are you
saved?! do you listen to the indigo girls?!"
no, i don't go that far. hmmmm......)>>

omg...but you saw me!!! when were you in nyc???
rotfl

on a slightly more serious note...the oj thang again...
did i read a post about oj simpson??? i think that has to
be even scarier than my oddball post...lol sadly, i can't seem to
think of anything other than sunny d whenever i hear that song!!! ;)

and now for the truly serious stuff...the nyc meet...i've
gotten a lot of responses...we just need to find a place and
time...keep the e-mail flowing in and we'll...par-deeeee!
yay!

stine...i also heard that on 105.1...they've been playing a lot
of ig, mle and even janis (!!!) lately!!! i even heard soy
on the mainstream stations (z100 and 95.5!!!) i'm starting to
believe the theory that amy and emily are ghost writting the harsh
reviews so that they don't become mainstream!

k, gotta go...went to bed last night at 4:30 last night and
got up at 9...*waving to diva and grl!!!*

nighty night

ruthie <--- who just might be in love and is way too scared to admit it!
<insert big gasp from diva grl and tig here> lol!

hey y'all!

ms. joan cyr said this:

<< my cousin said she's going to take me to buy some boiled
peanuts today >>

wow, did you all ever notice how everything in life has an indigo connotation
if you know enough to realize it???

looking out on my suburban back yard,

bonnie

hey everyone! i guess i'll start this off. i was disappointed that 3
people ended up showing up at my casa, but i decided to make it worth my
while. = ) elizabeth, fran, and audrey rawk and they are a blast to hang
out and play with. with the mishap of breaking two of my strings before
fran or elizabeth had even arrived was a sorry sight. i could tell that
was a bad omen. remember what i had said before about how things always
"seem to happen to me"? this was one of those instances. however we banged
out a great version of closer to fine. there was a moment when there was
no whistling (tsk tsk!) but elizabeth got us back on track. so far the day
has been fun and friendly. = ) it's too bad there were no jello-shot
initiations, but i guess i can wait till later. audrey might be scared to
visit me again since the neighbor's dog enjoyed attempting to kill audrey
for her chicken bones. (down boy!) well, i'll let someone else
speak...see most of you next sunday! -liz-

hey y'all, audrey at the keyboard.  yeah, that dog thing was kinda scary,
but it's always fun to add to the scar collection.  and as far as
instruments go, i dropped my drum (little middle eastern five shekel
variety) on the way, so now there are lots of pieces to it, but i was
playing better than ever.  whatever that means.  i must say liz did a
great two-guitar homage to susita "five string" marine, and we are all
continuing the worship with boursetta and spinach florentine cheese,
thanks to elizabeth--i love it when even lurkers understand the true
purposes of the list!  time to go bury my heart at wounded knee....

hey, it's fran now!  the weather goddess has blessed us with no
precipitation, although it's kind of humid.  there was a little girl (5
years old?) next door wearing a lime green bikini that was listening to us
jam, and kind of bopping and swaying to the music.  then she realized that
one of us was watching her, and she became self conscious and stopped.

i think that if we were playing in the subway, we'd actually get some
quarters tossed to us (not at us)! ;) .. we'll have to play long enough to
earn liz a new set of strings ... the non-amy variety.. next indijam will
be held in back bay station!

hi, elizabeth here, well it's been a great afternoon, we have a couple of
guitars and a huge variety of percussion instruments including fruit!!
due to memory loss on my part our efforts were much enhanced when playing
along to the cd instead of on our ownsome... huge fun anyway...

liz again! people i expect to see at the next one:

susan b marine (if only to play the songs we did for her!)
joni cyr (who cares if you're eating boiled peanuts?!)
anj milner (grrr...you've dissed me way too many times)
kate grant (lurk no more)
z and kristen (you came to the first one)
jenny korn (who said you could have a social life without the list?) amy
putnam (if only to take our faboo pics)
chris becker (you run this list, might as well make an appearance) karen
harper (lounging by a pool?!?!)
jess cantelo (hey, portland ain't that far, y'know)
the rest of you...ya'll know who you are. i don't want to embarrass you by
publicly writing your names. if i don't see all of you guys at the next
jam, i will find out where ya'll live and stand outside and play
"airplane" 7,000 times in a row until you begin throwing cds at my head.
(i forgot to add that i'll be accompanied by audrey beth stein on kazoo
and fran on fruit shakers and elizabeth passing out french bread and
lollipops)

ok, this is getting way too silly. (audrey disagrees)

popcorn antelopes on top of the empire state building like to play poker
and throw the game onto the people below.

(liz again...and let me say that audrey has not had one beer all day)

bye ya'll-

liz, elizabeth, audrey and fran

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date:         sun, 13 jul 1997 20:00:08 -0500
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deborah alexander/jmc2000 wrote:
>
<snip>
>
> all i can figure out is that
> for some wierd reason, none of my vcr's are compatible with this
> particular recording. (and i do have pretty modern, reliable vcr's...)
> whatever!
>
> i'd be eternally grateful to anyone who can hook me up with a copy!

same goes for me...i have two modern, reliable vcrs too, but trant's
copies just don't like my machines. it's weird, considering how many
tapes i've gotten from other folks, with no problem whatsoever...anyway,
i too would be very grateful (and willing to pay) for a copy.

tia
lee <siberry@concentric.net>

hi y'all!

just curious, but did anyone else hear ulali singing live from the emily side
of the audience during "leeds"? i thought they sounded fabulous! any
comments?

principesa caramya
"i am a problem child" ~amy ray

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date:         sun, 13 jul 1997 21:46:42 -0400
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hello all,

i'm signing off for a while as i'm going out of town on business, it's tough
keeping up with the mail via remote. i need to catch up on the mail for these
last few weeks as it is. my last horrahh for a while.

see ya soon ( i'll be back!! ).

davo.

ps - regarding the great lyricist's thread.......hopefully this thread isn't
too old and this one not mentioned already.......but what about neil peart,
wielder of the "pen" and "stick" for rush?

goodbye. :)

i'm not sure that this isn't old news, but i went to the rdr web site
and found that it doesn't exist anymore.

then i e-mailed perry and he told me that he & marsha have opened up an
rdr in (of all places) key west, fl.

melissa

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date:         sun, 13 jul 1997 22:12:48 -0500
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from ed.weiler@hq.nasa.gov thu jul 10 11:16:42 1997
date: thu, 10 jul 1997 14:16:33 -0400 (edt)
subject: news release

air force denies stories of ufo crash

valles marineris (mpi) - a spokesthing for mars air force denounced
as false rumors that an alien space craft crashed in the desert,
outside of ares vallis on friday. appearing at a press conference
today, general rgrmrmy the lesser, stated that "the object was, in
fact, a harmless high-altitude weather balloon, not an alien
spacecraft".

the story broke late friday night when a major stationed at nearby
ares vallis air force base contacted the valles marineris daily
record with a story about a strange, balloon-shaped object which
allegedly came down in the nearby desert, "bouncing" several times
before coming to a stop, "deflating in a sudden explosion of alien
gases". minutes later, general rgrmrmy the lesser contacted the
daily record telepathically to contradict the earlier report.

general rgrmrmy the lesser stated that hysterical stories of a
detachable vehicle roaming across the martian desert were blatant
fiction, provoked by incidences involving swamp gas. but the
general public has been slow to accept the air force's explanation
of recent events, preferring to speculate on the "other-worldly"
nature of the crash debris. conspiracy theorists have condemned
rgrmrmy's statements as evidence of "an obvious government
cover-up", pointing out that mars has no swamps.

edward j. weiler
director, origins program
hst and sirtf program scientist
nasa hq
code sa
washington, dc 20546

<< end of forwarded message >>

____
if i had a million dollars, i'd buy you a k-car...a nice reliant
automobile..."
-barnaked ladies, "if i had $1000000

on 07/13/97, someone cried out in alarm:

>air force denies stories of ufo crash

<<article snipped for my sarcasm that i'm about to dish>>

oh yes. this is why i joined the list. i knew if i were ever to receive
information about what the air force denies/confirms, the first thing i
had to do was run out and join the indigo girls mailing list. that was my
first priority. now i have the answers.

*still laughing*,
liz-bong

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hey y'all!

i've been working on the list on people that donated for emily's
birthday gift (thanks to all of you!!!!!!).  anywho, i want to make sure
that everybody who has seny me a message gets on the list, and that
everything that i have on it is correct, so i'm sending everyone on the
list a copy of their entry.  please check it over, make sure everything
is a-ok.  i'm doing a copy & paste thing directly from the list, so the
message you get is exactly what it will look like on the list.  you
don't need to write me back unless there is a mistake on it.  also, if
you donated to the billings house for emily's b-day and want to be on
the list, i'll put you on it.  all you need to do is to send me a
message with your name, email addy, and your message to emily.

if you are on the list you will be getting a message from me with the
subject line "your message to emily". if you are supposed to be on the
list and you don't get a message like that from me tonight (or in the
morning, whenever you check your email), let me know asap cause i'm
leaving on wed!!!

danke,
mandi

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since the comments on this concert seem to be scarce, i'll add a bit. (i
have to mention that we almost forgot our tickets in the car as we were
getting on the ferry and i had to run back and get them before the ferry
left. luckily i made it.) if any of you there saw the girl in 4th row
amy side with a shaved head, blowing bubbles (hope i didn't bug anyone
too much with the bubbles) that was little ol' me. my mom was with me (as
always). the set list was suspiciously similar to what they played in
jacksonville. i'm glad they played crazy game and land of canaan.
chickenman was kinda weird with emily playing part of a song in
the middle instead of amy doing an soc. amy broke a string during kid
fears and during closer to fine (a broken mandolin string, now there's
something you don't see everyday). the encore was virginia woolf, blood
quantum, closer to fine. fashon report. amy: pastel flowered shirt (hard
to explain but looked good on her), white pants which mom and i, with the
help of her binoculars, decided were vinyl/leather/whatever not denim (i
need to speak my final word on this leather pants posting i made that
seems to have irked so many people. all i'm saying is that when someone
said that since amy is a vegetarian isn't it against her politics to wear
leather. all i was trying to say is that i've never read anything that
says a vegetarian cannot wear leather whereas i have read that a vegan
would not wear leather. i am not saying that a vegetarian can't decide to
not wear leather. if what i'm saying still bothers people for some
reason, i am not going to apologize any more. my teenage naivity makes it
hard for me to understand what is so inflaming about the statement of
facts. i am stating what i read in several places including the world book
encyclopedia. if you don't like it take it up with world book.) emily:
army green pants, black tshirt, baseball cap, blue fingernail polish (mom
needs to lay off the binoculars...she says emily had the same colour of
nail polish at champoeg). sara: jeans, blue long sleeved athletic shirt,
red shoes (emily introduced sara as the band fashion coordinator and then
amy mentioned sara's shes so she showed them to us) the guys: again no
dresses/skirts. jerry was taking pictures again. emily started to have a
little conversation with an audience member about michael (i'm assuming
michael lorant) during the beginning of eiiot. i was disappointed that
they didn't play hkf, but perhaps amy didn't want to after playing it at
champoeg and rolling her eyes while we cheered for the pnw references.
the concert ended too late for mom and i to catch the 11:15 ferry so we
had over an hour to kill. we waited by the backstage entrance. sara
walked out, went to the tour bus, changed her clothes, went back in, and
then left with some friends. as she left mom and i were saying to each
other "look, there's sara again" and she heard us and said hi. she's so
cute. there was a couple dozen of us waiting for amy and emily. they came
out in a van and we all waved. the van stopped for a moment and emily
rolled down her window to say hi to us and thanked us for coming. sad
story of the night: two ladies in front of us in line (who mom and i
strick up a conversation with 'cuz they're from vancouver, washington,
too) had tickets the were for the friday night concert and so they didn't
get in. remember to check your tickets folks. well, i guess that's about
it. i'll let the rest of you fill in the spaces. i'm again hoping that
someone booted the show.
-sam (who has now been called a "go-girl")

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dear listmembers,

as some of you may remember, i posted a while back about some shot glasses
emblazoned "tanner's". this was a desperate effort to get rid of a horrible
gift from a close personal aquaintance. despite this ill concieved gift, i
have come up with what might be a fun idea, i.e.; the indigo girls
scavenger hunt. the rules are simple; one: find each of the items on the
list, they will all pertain to either the indigo girls themselves, or a
song lyric, or something of that ilk. two: take a picture of it. do this
however you like, i plan on setting a couple of rolls aside for just items
i have "scavenged". three: send the pictures (if you cannot affort to
develop it, send it on to me and i will develop it myself) to me and i am
going to set up a website just for this event where you can view items, see
who's leading and get a list of "bonus point items". the items will each
have an individual point value. the winner of the hunt will recieve some
fine indigo items including a t-shirt, a poster, copies of both the
"watershed" video and the "live at the uptown lounge" video, and possibly
an autographed item that i have yet to confirm, as well as anything else i
can get my hands on. it also would be a good idea to try and trade items
with other "hunters" as some of the items are of a regional nature. please
e-mail me at stokacentral@hotmail.com instead of this address, and let me
know how many of you will be participating. once i get the entries, i will
post the item list .

happy hunting,

stoka

someone has already taped the ppv show for me (thanks jc!), but now my
friend has informed me that she would also like a copy. *rolling my eyes*
i never make pleas to the list, but she really wants this tape. i don't
want joni to do another one, so i'm asking if anyone could help out my
friend stace. her e-mail is stacie.l.bigelow@healthpartners.com

thanks!

-liz-

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hi folks,

well, my gf and i are back from our fabulous holiday in the us...
didn't hear soy on the radio once, but everywhere we went - shops,
restaurants, radio - they were playing shawn colvin...she seemed to follow
us around like a guardian angel! - seriously - it got to the point where we
were about to turn on the radio, we'd look at other and say 'shawn
colvin?', turn on the radio, and there she'd be...happened twcie and freaked
us out!

anyway, for those of you that are interested, here are some highlights -
there is some ig content...
ny - surprised at how friendly people were... bottom line is such a cool
venue.  saw eddie from ohio and burning bus - both excellent bands - see
them if you can.  watched a guy empty a whole bottle of ketchup on his fries...
went to tom's diner and heard the bells of the cathedral. walked down little
west 12th...that city is one big  vega lyric...
liked boston a lot and provincetown was absolute heaven, if a little busy.
atlanta was okay...unfortunately some of our plans didn't work out - like
the friend we were meeting up with trashed her car a couple of weeks ago so
it was hard to get around - it's so spread out and public transport sucks -
seems to take an hour to get anywhere... still, we did some cool stuff -
hung around little five, walked to top of stone mountain -great apart from
the fact we nearly got stuck there all night 'cos we couldn't find the marta
stop. incidently, for those of you who know what i'm talking about, wouldn't
if be cool if they did a laser show to accompany an ig song... southland in
the springtime p'raps...
biggest disapointemnt was turning up to play at eddie's open mic night as
arranged and finding out they were closed...for cleaning.... just great...!
went to rdr and spent way too much!  now have dar's new one, patty larkin,
disappear fear, kristen hall, gerard mchugh, big fish ensemble...phew!
wax'n'facts had jcs for $9, mm's devil moon...love that big musical family
thing going on - everyone playing on each others albums...perry gave me a
couple of photos of amy he just happened to be taking down at the time - one
by none other than our amy j putnam :)  spent a good half hour just looking
at the photo covered walls in that shop... did you all know they're
relocating to florida next week?  he says website will still stay up though...

2 best things about atlanta:
1) staying at the dream hostel in decatur - whacky place.  has fabulous
restaurant in back yard - the st agnes tea garden.  excellent food, nice
people, back garden complete with teepee, the howard finster (?) elvis bus
(compares elvis to jesus - jesus walked on water, elvis surfed...) and
peacock.  bunch of folkies - fiddles, guitar, mandolins etc. turned up one
night and jammed.  go there - 115 church st, v. close to railroad.
(restaurant entrance is round the corner.)

2)  being dragged into russell carters office by julie, our crazy atlantan
buddy.  i'm usually too reserved to be a crazy fan but julie just marched us
on  in there to say hi.    cool office - has a model railway running around
the floor - i got to see the framed gold/platinum awards for ig, nis, rop
and so.  got a good photo...really nice guy sorted me out with a sots poster
(what kind of a word is 'ebullience' anyway?) and just maybe some other cool
stuff (can't tell, but i have a big grin ;)) ...he had a great hat - it was
one they tried out as possible merchandise but didn't go with - blue denim
baseball hat with indigo girls in white stitching and a sunflower in the
middle of the words.  bad news for uk/euro fans though - no plans at all at
the moment for a tour...

2 worst things about atlanta (apart from eddie's being shut)
1) mosquitos (scratch scratch)
2) marta (sure ain't smarta ;))

anyway, i have about 60 digests to read (glad to see some good threads -
could take a while) and a lot of work to catch up on. thanks to everyone
who suggested places to go (sari - i had that broadway shake :))

seffy

just a quick request: if anyone has any l.a. show reviews or boot information
please email me. i was off the list while in california, and i missed them
all. thank you, ali akenney@vnet.ibm.com

you wrote:
>from: mamamya@aol.com
>subject: ulali at seattle concert - saturday
>
>hi y'all!
>
>just curious, but did anyone else hear ulali singing live from the emily side
>of the audience during "leeds"? i thought they sounded fabulous! any
>comments?
>
>principesa caramya
>

i heard it, but from where i was, it sounded like some pretty talented fans
from seattle!!

stacy.
"it's really good to see you rocking out
and having fun," dar williams ("better things")

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wow, quite a surprise after the rdr faithful showed up and shelled out for
the rdr benefit to get a bigger store.

silly us, we thought they meant atlanta.

wonder if they'll still be supportive of atlanta musicians?

don't know about the website still being up because the old one seems to be
gone.

jill

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did you all know they're
> relocating to florida next week? he says website will still stay up
though...
>

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does anyone know the exact closing date of the store in atlanta?
thanks.

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> wonder if they'll still be supportive of atlanta musicians?

talking to perry..his answer is yes> they will be bringing along
atlanta musicians' work with them and will be offering original
music as they always have.

as for the benefit, they really were looking for a bigger space
in atlanta. the space they wanted didnt work out. on a vacation
to key west, they found a great space and are excited about the
move. in the meantime, the 800# *will* stay up and available. once
settled in key west, they will find a new e-mail host (they
cant reach mindspring from the island) and will be back on line
at some point.

feel free to call him, 1-800-636-6166 with more questions.

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hey all!

        just called polaris and was told that the gates for the august show
open at 3:30.  i asked about what i'd heard that michelle malone was
supposed to be playing at 3:30 and the girl told me that the side-stage
(or 2nd stage, whatever) acts do start at 3:30.  so, perhaps that is
when mm will go on.  i'd suggest getting there by 3:30 if y'all don't
want to miss mm!

okay, that's it!
see ya,
twink!

i came back to work today thinking that i was going to post about each and
every one of shows i've experienced in the past week. i realize now that i'm
going to have to leave the individual details to every one else because it
would take me hours to try and write it all down.

amy was in a great mood and animated for wednesday night's show at champoeg.
emily seemed a little tired, but was still pleasant and made lots of eye
contact. we picked the right night to be on center/amy side.

thursday night we chose center/emily side (where i belong).  she must have had
a pretty good night's sleep 'cause she was her normal happy self.  all in all
this show was the most powerful show i'd ever experienced (and i've been doing
this since "the beginning").  the energy from the crowd and the stage was so
incredibly powerful - everything was happening right.  where the crowd and been
a little cranky on wednesday, the thursday night group was much more relaxed.
this was also the perfect night for my friends:  sully gave shilla the set list
which included 10,000 wars, the song she been waiting for for 6 shows;  mk and
lori were singing some incredible harmony during chickenman right behind my
head; and, lynn (who has some sort of carma going and seems to run into emily
everywhere she goes) was asked to "shake her egg" on stage for closer to fine.
congratulations lynn for remembering to breathe. :-)

friday night at the pier seemed a lot more restrictive than champoeg. the
girls obviously love playing there and the backdrop is absolutly beautiful, but
security at the pier was cranky and people sat more than i was hoping. it
wasn't nearly as intimate champoeg.

in spite of the lack of intimacy, the music was really on.  emily nailed leeds.
ghost was also very powerful and made many eyes watery.  i thought amy was
going to blow a gasket serveral times throughout the evening.  when she gets
into it like that, i find that i can't sing, dance or anything.  i just stand
there with my mouth open watching her.  she's untouchable.  don't give that
girl a gun rocked!  all i can say is, "sucks to be cooper" (i don't mean that
negatively, but there's an old saying that goes something like "never wrong a
bard."  positive or negative, you'll end up as the subject of a song.)

anyway, speaking of gaskets...  friday night might have been a little more
relaxed, if we hadn't have blown a head gasket on the way to seattle from
champoeg.  we ended up leaving the truck in longview and renting a car to
finally get to the show on friday night.  let's just say that friday night
turned into a $600 show.  we had the truck towed to eugene on sunday...two
thumbs up for aaa plus!!!!!

before i actually do some work today, i want to publically thank an incredible
group of people for being part of one of the most laid back yet intense weeks i
can remember. lynn (line commandant and egg shaker extraordinaire), sheri,
catherine, shilla, mel, julie, mk, lori, and several others with whom i bonded
as we "camped" in lines day after day. i also have to mention michelle, our
"star runner" who sacrificed her own skin and blood to get the perfect spot at
champoeg.

thanks also to sully for being so nice and michelle malone for being so
gracious at the ig shows and at her gig on sat night at the easy.

sarah
sarah_scilley@ccmail.uoregon.edu

ps. after the whole experience of camping and following ig around for several
days, i know understand why deadheads were deadheads. it's hard to come back
to the real world.

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so, what was the ny crowd doing today at around 12:35 pm to be exact
today?????

wellllll, i just so happen to be driving to lunch at home while, on
came hammer & nail on the radio!!!!!! wow, i was not ready for that
one at all. as others have said before regarding the ny area, it came on
90.7 wfuv, a folkisgruven station hailing from the picturesque bronx.
but it was just a great surprise to hear a&e, especially cause mondays
suck and it's just so hot today (real sticky too)....... but i never really
liked the song that much, until today of course...but being the first song
on nis never really worked / clicked for me... but now that i really
listened to it....hmmmmmmmmmm...... mucho bettero songo!!!!!!!

thanks for listening :) (<- ear to ear now)

.02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02
i wish it were sunday (oh ohohhhh)
cause that's my fun day(" " " ")
it's just another ____ ____
.02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02 .02
mkc

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hi all,

congratulations to  mark anthony donajkowski who was the first in with
the answer to my trivia question on "time after time".  the answer, and i
think everyone who sent in an answer got it right, was joan osborne's
"one of us" which was written by eric  bazilian,  time after time was
written by the other main hooter rob hyman.

deb resier was also declared a winner because she said "never enough" by
patty smythe, which was another given-away hit, (semi hit?) hooters
song. she said it was written by both of them, and i'm too lazy to
check, so we'll call it close enough.

thanks to everyone else who wrote in, sorry i didn't get back to you all
individually. i got a bigger response then i expected.

more trivia-qestions-for-boots coming soon. and i'll try to have a more
obscure question next time, because that's the way i like em. ; )

harry a. keates
email: hak@crai.com

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so here are my latest efforts being a loyal subject to the crown of indigo
in the land of saliers & ray......

1)  i don't have a 5-disc cd changer, so i was only able to play 3 random
cd's for various guests and wet-not...... but i ran into a few people i
know who "have not seen the light" and i was like "<gasp>  you don't
know who the ig are!!!!!!"  so at that point they were at my mercy for the
rest of the night:  here's ctf - you know this one, and here's a new song
soy - you might have heard this on the radio - and here's a n. young
song - you know this one - and here's one of dylans - they do these with
such energy and passion ? ???? right???!?!?!  (i had to force them to
agree with me a few times, but i won't hurt them, i swear)  but hey, it's
my house and my cd player so - what i say goes!!!!!! (i would be a good
dictator).

2)  on to the next night:  i drove to the deep south saturday (well md but
that was far enough south for me, for now)  but it was a pool party /
bbq / grand 'ol summer fun time.............yaaaaahhhhh for summer!!!!!  and
i appointed myself dj supreme!!!!! (you hear some trumpets at this point)
but they had to hear ig while fun was to be had!!!!! (redundant: see
redundant)   so they heard so and ig that day..... at that point i
answered all the questions those interested ones were asking me: who
is this, what song, album, what is it about, what the hell are you drinking
anyway - - - well the last question i was not sure of except the fact that
there were all these strawberries and melons floating around.....but i
digress.......  so my influence spreads, and their influence spreads, and
we spread together on our tireless journey because remember, we are
fortunate ones.......(but no street corners and megaphones)

if i don't let some of this stuff out of my head i might lose it......
if it wasn't for the mindless details, where would i be.....
thanks.....
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
but i got caught up in the whirl
and the twirl of it all...
...i'm so sorry
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
mkc

i also thought the 7/11 show was much better. emily looked fantastic (even
though i'm an amy person) and my gf and i enjoyed the setlist. amy commented
about it being cold (...nowhere is warm enough for me) but she did end up
taking off her volunteer fireman jacket and rolling up her left sleeve to
expose the tat y'all are so curious about.

they just didn't seem to click as well on saturday. michelle malone opened on
friday and joined them for several songs. there's a groove when the three of
them jam. josh, sara and jerry were great too of course. amy threw out the
pick she finished with and then some from her mic stand.

met some nice list folks - mainly andrea (pinky knees or is that pekinese!!
wink!)

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hey everybody!!

as i sit here in unattractive summer job uniform, telling myself
repeatedly that yes, i *have* to go to perkins today, i need the money, i
was wondering...

does anyone know what kind of crappy jobs the girls did before hitting it
big? i think we all sometimes think they just immediately made money with
their music, but i bet amy and emily did their share of general labor and
food service....

does anyone know? i figure maybe if i know that emily waitressed at the
waffle house (worst food, best coffee in the world) on jimmy carter
boulevard or something, that maybe going to perkins wouldn't make me
suicidal every afternoon for the next 6 weeks...

peace y'all!

karrie

on 07/14/97 karrie a. bowen said:

>does anyone know what kind of crappy jobs the girls did before hitting it
>big? i think we all sometimes think they just immediately made money
>with their music, but i bet amy and emily did their share of general
>labor and food service....

lol! i have no idea what they actually did in real life (as opposed to my
life), but if i had to guess, i would say emily worked at some kind of day
care or high school. something with teaching and thinking and
contemplating..

amy would have been a great mechanic. *grin*

-liz-

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howdy all.
i was just browsing the web and found tdk supports unsigned
bands/artists.  if you've got real audio, you can listen to different
bands every month, or you can submit your demo to them, and they choose
i think, several per month to advertise on their web site.  go there
now, if you're interested.  they've also got a music/audio magazine with
new release info, etc.
this is for the music/sound page:
        http://www.tdk.com/snv/snvcnt13.htm

this is for the general page:
http://www.tdk.com/tec.htm
--then click on the "sound+video" link, then to "music pages", or get
some tips on recording, production, etc...it's great for amateur artist.
=)

enjoy, don't forget to submit those max points to tdk for those free
cassettes. i hope to get mine within the next week. =)

bye
seona
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> on 07/14/97 karrie a. bowen said:
>
>>does anyone know what kind of crappy jobs the girls did before hitting
it
>>big? i think we all sometimes think they just immediately made money
>>with their music, but i bet amy and emily did their share of general
>>labor and food service....
>
>lol! i have no idea what they actually did in real life (as opposed to my
>life), but if i had to guess, i would say emily worked at some kind of
day
>care or high school. something with teaching and thinking and
>contemplating..
>
>amy would have been a great mechanic. *grin*
>
>-liz-
>
i read an article a long time ago where amy said she'd worked in a pizza
place, but didn't last for very long. i *think* she had said something
about wanting to try a "real job", it sounded like she didn't really need
to work before making plenty of money with ig, i suppose she was supported
by her parents.

now, it's possible that i've remembered this totally incorrectly, but i'm
sure y'all will set me straight. ;-)

elena

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hello everybody,

i just signed on to the list today and i'm very excited about it. i have
loved the indigo girls for years now. i'm looking forward to talking to
you all.

peace,
jessica

i am looking for the name of the opening act at the seattle concert. summer
nights at the pier.

i think it was billy tipton or something of the sort. a female saxaphone
quartet.

if anyone was at that show, i would appreciate the help.

thanks,
mowgli3524@aol.com

hey y'all--
could anyone tell me which songs from mary chapin carpenter's "come on come
on" cd the ig sing on?
thanks,
lauren.....only one day until end of the summer!!

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hey all, again, i've been browsing the web for the last 3 hours (wow!),
and listening to the wonderful jackson browne!  i really like him, check
him out if you're interested.  if you're interested in listening to some
good music, i could make a mix of what i've got and dub it for
you...acoustic/folk hits (no-ig).  let me know by e-mail if you're
interested and i'll mail you back with the contents, k? =)

oh, back about the web site...

great site for all kinds of on-line magazines, like entertainment
weekly, life, time, national geographic, business week, hotwired,
reader's digest, sports illustrated, premiere (this is not linked right
now), computer world, and others. i think all this is free, cuz i just
read a whole article on jodie foster's new movie and the history behind
it...did you know it took nearly 17 years to begin filming from the
beginning of the concept of this film. sagan wrote a novel before the
film began filming. =) wow!

ok go to
http://www.looksmart.com/r?lmp&favorites=magazines

i got this info from the alta vista search engine page, at the bottom at
the looksmart box and clicking "entertainment" then "magazine" at the
top of the looksmart page.

it's cool!
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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oops, i've made an error...the last word "magazines" should be singular,
thus, "magazine"
here it is corrected...

http://www.looksmart.com/r?lmp&favorites=magazine

sorry!
seona
>
> ok go to
> http://www.looksmart.com/r?lmp&favorites=magazines
>
> i got this info from the alta vista search engine page, at the bottom at
> the looksmart box and clicking "entertainment" then "magazine" at the
> top of the looksmart page.
>
> it's cool!
> seona
> sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

hey y'all

i'm a lurker who's only been on the list for a few weeks so please excuse me
if i'm being redundant.  i've heard mention of a magazine article that came
out not too long ago that really upset amy, and i've just now found an
article on the web from the march '97 atlanta mag .  i presume this is *the*
article since it seems to portray amy as the indigo girl and emily as just
some poor schmuck who came along for the ride.  i found the article quite
offensive in that regard.  so, my question simply is ...is this the article
that amy got  p.o.'d about and wrote a response to?  and if so, is her
response posted anywhere on the web?  i'd be interested to know what she had
to say about this article.

again, please excuse the redundancy. i'm sure you all discussed this when
the article first came out.

kathleen......kef1330@aol.com

in a message dated 7/14/97 6:43:08 pm, lauren wrote:

<<could anyone tell me which songs from mary chapin carpenter's "come on come
on" cd the ig sing on?>>

the hard way & walking through fire

hey y'all...
   well, i made it!  a last ditch effort on my part to go to the sunday show
payed off (thanks again paula!!!)  i got to the pier at around noon and
waited near the front of the line 'till 5:30 when we all poured into the
seating area.  i got a *pretty* good seat...6th row..a little right of center
:)  david wilcox came out to seranade us and tell us stories...he's a really
good performer :)  then, of course, the girls came out.  in the beginning i
wasn't sure how the night would go...they seemed a bit out of it.  but that
all changed...what a great night!  amy and em constantly seemed amazed at the
crowd.  at one point after the first song amy said somethin' like: "i thought
this would be a mellow sunday night, but i guess it's not gonna be!"  amy
once called us "the most groovinest crowd" :)  they kept calling us sweet and
beautiful...we kept giving standing ovations. :)  again i didn't keep track
of the set list, i assume someone else will post it, but here's what i can
remember. :)
opened with *strange fire...yeah!
*hammer & a nail (this was outrageous!  i've never heard this song live...i
was ecstatic! but on the part where em says "i look behind my ears for the
green..."etc, it sounded like she said "look behind my ears for the grain" or
something...but she still said "even my sweat smells clean" anyone know what
she was saying?  afterwards she said "that's an oldie!")
*shame on you
*leeds
*shed your skin (they grooved on this one--i believe this was the one that
the girls from the sax quartet joined amy and em)
*least complicated
*everything in its own time (when introducing this song, em said something
about the song being about white haired men who seemed in charge of
everything...but there is a higher power!  and then giggling she said, "and
we don't even know what it looks like yet!"  then she started playing a bit
and the amp made a funky noise and she said, "that's feedback"  and amy said,
"no that's god talking!"  emily laughed and said, "or it could be a blade of
grass singing..."  then amy said something like, "i know...my childhood
teachings are coming out...protestant...boom!"  and laughed.  then em said,
"just want to let you know, we except all faiths to ....something..." then
said, "yeah, come on over, babe" like in shed your skin :)
*caramia (i think this was the one emily looked like she was going to cry
during....)
*scooter boys
*blood quantum (beautiful...)
*don't give that girl a gun (yes!  amy soo nailed this one...it seemed so
cathartic and passionate...emily was looking kinda concerned! :)
*cut it out (again seemed very cathartic)
*get out the map
*hey kind friend (amy said, "time to get folksy now, we got the other stuff
out of the way" before hand)
*prince of darkness (yeah yeah yeah...never heard this one live! )
*galileo (emily said, "...and then you had to bring up reincarnation over a
beer the other day...........................er night!"  amy laughed.. :)
*chickenman (great rendition of it...amy kind of told the story of it in the
song...like how she came to write it, etc.  then she stuck in the buzzard
part...mr. buzzard...nobody likes him and his job is never done)
*love's recovery (what a treat!  i love this song and they played it!  david
wilcox came back on and was smiling sooooo big when he wasn't singing...you
could tell he was so blown that he was able to sing with the girls...like a
kid in a candy store)
*closer to fine (with the girls from the sax quartet)

i might have forgotten some...hope this list is kinda complete!
during the show emily said something about trying to talk to the venue to let
them be the house band! :)  and after the show they said, "we looove
seattle!!"
  in one of the songs amy kind of went off with a peter tosh song in the
middle of another (can't remember which one)..but it was a really quiet part
she was almost whispering...then some girl yelled, "i love you amy ray!!"
and that ended it..amy just furiously strummed her guitar for another 2
seconds and ended it.  she took off her guitar and emily and she exchanged
this look...can't describe it well...kind of a variation of an eye rolling i
guess.  it was funny :)
   also during one of the songs--maybe get out the map--emily kept looking up
at the bleachers way behind me...and laughing.  she said something to amy in
the middle of the song out of microphone range...like a full long sentence
worth of stuff, not just a word or two.  then afterwards she said, "we have
some really great dancers in the bleachers out there!  she said, "you in the
black overalls...we see you!  you're a great dancer!"  it was a girl who was
probably about 11 years old, she looked kind of embarrassed! :)
   during _another_ song, amy mixed in a song i know very very well, but
can't concentrate on right now!  i love the song, but can't remember the
name...the only line i can remember is "she could send me awayyyyy..."  i'll
think about it.  hmmm...
    well, that's all folks...if i see them again this year it will be in
august at the lilith fair in vancouver, bc.  aaaaaaaahhh...i don't wanna wait
that long! :(  but it was a great last show of the year if that was what it
was. :)
love,
jen

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in response to requests, we are trying to make it possible for dar's
long-time internet supporters to get a shot at the best seats in the house,
letting you know when and how to get the best seats in advance of the
tickets "officially" going on sale to the general public. i think a bunch
of these shows will sell out well in advance, so it would behoove people to
pick up tickets as soon as practicable.

right now, we have information on five shows. more will follow.

9/19 cambridge, ma, sanders theatre
you _can_ get your tickets now, even though it won't be advertised
officially until august. call 617-661-1252 (multistage) or 617-496-2222
(sanders box office). people can can also order by mail by sending in a
money order or check (made out to multistage) for price of the tickets plus
$3 per total order handling fee. send it to: multistage, 19 mellen st.,
cambridge, ma 02138, attn: dar williams show. tickets are $16.50 and 19.50
====

9/26  philadelphia, pa, keswick theatre
in philadelphia, for the keswick theatre show on 9/26, tickets will be
available starting 7/18 (although the "official" first day of sale is
7/25).  starting on the 18th, you can call the keswick's 24 hour phone
charge line at 215-572-7650. box office (for window sales) is open 10-5
mon-sat.  tickets will be $19.50 each.  they have a "front to back, best
available seat" policy.
====

9/27 new york city - town hall (123 west 43rd st)
saturday, september 27, 1997, 8:00 p.m.

get the best seats in the house now!  we are offering the dar williams
community  the exclusive opportunity to purchase the best seats in the
house for dar williams' historic first town hall show before they go on
sale to the general public.  tickets will go fast, so get yours now!
tickets: $32.50 and $27.50

if you're in new york, swing by the bottom line box office, 15 w. 4th st.
(corner of mercer), 212-228-6300 (cash only, no service charge). by mail,
send a bank check or money order with self-addressed, stamped envelope to
new audiences/dar williams, 155 w. 72nd st., suite 706, new  york, ny
10023. add $2 per ticket handling fee. no personal checks. include number
of tickets, price and phone number. incorrect orders will be  returned. if
order is not received in a timely fashion, call 212-595-5272  (mon-fri
12pm-5pm edt).

tickets are available on a first-come/first-served basis while they last.
tickets also at the town hall box office and ticketmaster starting 9/2/97.
====

10/3  chicago, il - park west
tickets will go on sale on 7/14 to dar fans, although the show will not be
publicly advertised for a couple of weeks more.  although the show is being
_held_ at park west, it is being _promoted_ by the old town school of folk
music.   after 7/14, you can call 773-525-7793 x10 from 1 pm to 10pm
mon-thurs. on fri, sat, sun 1-5pm to reserve tickets, or you can send a
check to the old town school of folk music, 909 w. armitage, chicago, il
60614. tickets are $19. they'll send you the tickets if you enclose a sase,
or you can pick them up at the school's box office, or at the venue on the
night of the show. no reserved seats, but capacity is limited to 750 and it
_will_ sell out.
=====

10/7 - lawrence, ks - liberty hall
tickets go on sale to dar fans on 7/12. you can call 913-749-1972 (liberty
hall) or 816-931-3330 (ticketmaster). all reserved seating (750 seat
venue).
=====

dar's new album, end of the summer, goes on sale tuesday, july 15 at record
stores everywhere, on razor & tie/burning field cds and tapes. catalog #rt
2830, distributed by koch in the us, emi in canada.

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dar's new album "end of the summer" is being released tomorrow!
if your record store doesn't have it -- tell them she's on razor & tie!

-- chris

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        first thing first:  all 3 days were awesome.  a, e, and the fashionable
crew looked very very happy and healthy and like they really had a great
time.  michelle malone rocked friday and managed to change our opinions on
her quite a bit, as we hadn't really liked her much at bumbershoot last
year, but we were simply wrong.  billy tipton memorial sax quartet also
rocked and changed my opinion of sax too... carolyn, tell 'em they were
fantastic and i hope they a&e *do* shove them into the bus and take them
along the rest of the tour like amy said they were gonna'.  i wanna have
them be on the nex album.  :-)    i am a horrid person, but i cannot recall
the cool dude who opened yesterday's name... but he was cool too... almost
reminded me of a male danielle howle... must be the s. carolina thing?
*chuckle*

anyhow, all three days rocked but saturday was special because they were
more loose and experimental and jammed. here is the dream setlist that i
would not believe had i not been there....

(any errors are a result of my having to write this in the dark on the back
of a stamp book... i have trouble readin' my own writing in good
conditions. :-) )

thinline
it's alright
three hits
caramia
dgtgag
get out the map
shame on you least complicated
scooter boys
cortez the killer
leeds
redemption song (bob marley)
shed your skin (w/ the sax quartet, they rocked and jazzed this up)
crazy game
stairway to heaven (ok, just the intro while they waited for jerry, but it
was hysterically funny)
land of caanan (whoo hooo!)
chickenman
kid fears
galileo
--encore--
virginia woolf
blood quantum
ctf (i think this song should be renamed: "this here's a singalong")

have i already bored you by mentioning how rocking it was??? they really
played around with most of the songs and goofed off and had musicial fun.
i love that. friday and sunday were more "formula", but outstanding and
awesome also - just in a different way.

was wonderful to see so many pnw listers there!!! gwen and lisa l. we
missed you!!!!! kim from n.v. - you rock, we wanna' go play with you more
often!

and, of course, the entire weekend was highlighted by the too brief visit
from the goddess herself. hey kim from pr - we love you!!!

tracy & jeni, exhausted and honored from getting to be with the goddess and
the great yknib in the same day

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a friend of mine has 2-3 extra reserved seating tickets for the red
rocks show on thursday night.  she would like for them to find a
good home (you'd be sitting with my friend whois very cool and a
longtime ig fan).  tickets are about $33 each (with all the fees).
if you areinterested, please e-mail abby by wed night (she is coming to
denver from chcago the next day) at thumper609@aol.com.  have
fun!

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at 07:58 pm 7/14/97 -0400, xg1rl@aol.com wrote:
[snip]
>david wilcox came out to seranade us and tell us stories...he's a really
>good performer :)
that was his name!!! thanks! :-) sorry david.. i am horrid at names!

>then, of course, the girls came out.  in the beginning i
>wasn't sure how the night would go...they seemed a bit out of it.
        really?  you thought out of it?  i thought amy looked like she'd had a
cool kayaking trip and was maybe sunburnt and tired, and emily seemed
mellow, but i didn't think out of it... imowo  (in my own often worthless
opinion)
[big snip]

>   during _another_ song, amy mixed in a song i know very very well, but
>can't concentrate on right now!  i love the song, but can't remember the
>name...the only line i can remember is "she could send me awayyyyy..."  i'll
>think about it.  hmmm...
        was neil young's "down by the river", and i was so delighted i think i
stomped on the goddess's toe and might have bruised jeni's arm.  sowry.

tracy

i'm back from a *long* absence from the list, due mainly to being away from
home, and i'm begging to the list for my friends, who would very much like
to attend lilith fair in milwaukee, but can't get tickets. so, if anybody
has extra tix they would like to sell, please let me know. otherwise, it's
good to be back. :)

~abigail

"there's where i've come from and where i'm going, and i am lost in between"

~ani difranco

hey it's jessica!

>i just signed on to the list today and i'm very excited about it. i have
>loved the indigo girls for years now. i'm looking forward to talking to
>you all.

everyone, this is jessica. she's a really cool person - although we've
never met - but we have talked at length on the phone!. i know you'll all
be as nice to her as you have been to me.

******welcome jessica!!!!**********

helen
xo

not to be gripy or negative, but the reports about rdr relocating to florida
have made me think about a lot of things.  first of all, holding a benefit
to move to a larger store implies to me that the proprietors don't have the
capital to finance such a move/expansion themselves.  second, the larger
atlanta location didn't pan out, and they fell in love with key west while
on vacation there.  now, i've never actually been there, but aren't the
florida keys well known for being a very expensive place to live?  that kind
of choice property doesn't come cheap.  maybe it's kind of a coincidence,
but i wonder if this whole thing is related to the situation that blew
up a few months ago about the kind of boots they were selling and some
local artists withdrawing their support.
whatever the reasons, it just seems to me that the fair and ethical thing
to do would be to refund the money that people donated for
a larger *atlanta* store.  i mean, is it right to make a windfall like that?
do you keep all the great gifts when you get married and then divorced
a month later?  maybe i'm reading something into this, and i'm sure i'll
hear from a few people coming to rdr's defense, but as far as i'm concered,
something kind of smells here.  i think the responsible thing to do would
be to refund the money people gave in good faith, believing that the
money would be used to finance a larger atlanta store.  like, what benefit
are atlanta folks going to get from the store relocating to key west?
a cool place to browse at cds when they can actually afford a pricey
vacation down there?  i doubt it.  people really should question these things
a little more, rather than wistfully chirp about how great it is that perry and
marsha are relocating/opening a store in the florida keys.  thanks for listening.
peace and responsible capitalism,

joan :-d

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helen albans wrote:
>
> hey it's jessica!
>
> >i just signed on to the list today and i'm very excited about it. i have
> >loved the indigo girls for years now. i'm looking forward to talking to
> >you all.
>
> everyone, this is jessica. she's a really cool person - although we've
> never met - but we have talked at length on the phone!. i know you'll all
> be as nice to her as you have been to me.
>
> ******welcome jessica!!!!**********
>
> helen
> xo

thank you very much helen. geez, i feel so welcome. ;-x
peace,
jessica

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hey folks :)

i'm not sure if this has been discussed already..but the girls are doing a
second austin city limits right after the red rocks shows. reportedly emmy
lou harris may appear with them. that's all i know for now.
we are fortunate ones,
joe
http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones

hi everybody!
     shila and i are back after 2 weeks of travelin'...six shows later.  our
whole trip was great, (i'll send other thoughts on west coast shows later),
but the best was campin' at champoeg.  we are having serious withdrawls from
the campin'- in line-front row gang (lynn, sheri, sarah, sheri, m.k., lori, a
worn out p.j. and greta would wander by so often, mel and julie and yes our
star runner michelle.  we met many others too)  it was like summer camp.
sarah, we too have a new appreciation for dead heads.  the tunes bring us
together, the people make us stay (get out the cheese) oh i been sooo sappy
since that last champoeg show!
     it was wonderful, at our very last show, to hear shila's all time fav
tune.  (10,000 wars)  it was heartwarming too when the whole group looked
over at us after hearing the first few chords.  did we look suprised?
brought tears to our eyes.  i had to say "everybody loves a mellow drummer"
to make shila laugh.  she finally got her set list too.  after tryng for
many shows, it became obvious why she had gotten passed over before, her song
hadn't been on  there yet!  she deserved every bit of this good stuff, having
been up since 4 a.m. that day with a few others to get in line, oh not to
mention traveling 2,800 miles in the car with me.  the girl is awesome, what
can i say!

    oh, more about the shows you say?  i must say that the britt show did
indeed blow us away,(never thought i'd hear sf) and like p.j. and greta, we
thought it was the end all.  that was until champoeg!  there were so many
great things, but the best was lynn, yes folks she's lynn cardamone' ("how
yah dooin") and she's here to get up really early, get the scoop from ed,
spread good news, hand out hte pamplets, keep you in line, bring good karma,
and shake her egg!!!  yes indeed lynn is the queen of everything!  she and
emily are like this. (twisting index and mid finger together).  she shook
that egg thing like a freakin' pro!  you are the woman!
     lets see what else do i remember...some of this might be inter mingled
between the 2 shows:
amy said she biked in "forest park" (?)  until she encountered a bulldozer,
she thought it may be too trecherous to go further.  then joked she was
training for the "x" games next year.  (x treme sports on espn)  now that i
wanna see!  i love those games!

shila and i held a sign up(after gotm that said "thanks for 6 great shows,
goin' home...the boss just doesn't understand :( " amy gave me the thumbs
up, emily made a sad face.
they are very sweet about reading signs, i think they probably enjoy the
variety from show to show. there were some other good ones too.

lynn and sheri had a sign that said "come have s'mores at campsite a-3"  the
next day sully came over and said she was sorry she couldn't make it!  they
happened to have another on the next night that said "ok, s'mores in
seattle?"  it was entertaining.

emily asked if anyone was camping, we all yelled yes, then amy said "we are
too", then i wondered, hmm which huge metal "tent" with sixteen gajillion
wheels, ac and a full kitchen and fax machine will you be staying in, the
blue, or the green?  (tour buses, anyone?)  i laughed to myself.
it would not have been safe for them to camp anywhere in that park, too many
bad late night campfire  versions of closer to fine, not to mention the
psuedo-bad ass "here at champoeg state park...quiet hours are "  scary, robot
ranger matron lady.  who btw m.k does a mean imitation of.   i expected to
see that woman barge into our dark campground with her
knife-wielding-straight-arm lunging at us with the music from psycho playing
"wee wee wee wee aahhhaaagggghhhh" so, she was a little creepy ok.

m.k., sarah, and lori your version of ctf the next morning was awesome of
course!

more to come later, as it seeps back into my mind. san diego, l.a. britt,
etc.
how was work today everybody??? hope all of our road buddies made it home
safe and sound, you all are the greatest!

catherine and shila

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first of all, have you thought about calling rdr and asking *them* these
questions instead of posting to the list where no one can really
help?

> whatever the reasons, it just seems to me that the fair and ethical thing
> to do would be to refund the money that people donated for
> a larger *atlanta* store. i mean, is it right to make a windfall like that?

define "windfall"....do you for fact know that rdr "raked it in"?  i sure
dont, nor is it any of my business or yours.  are you really that upset
that rdr is moving that you need to ask for your money back?  i mean,
is it fair to say, equivalently, that you paid money for a show and
didnt feel the act delivered, so you want your money back?  did
you not go and enjoy a concert for your funds?  did you have fun?

> a month later?  maybe i'm reading something into this, and i'm sure i'll
> hear from a few people coming to rdr's defense, but as far as i'm concered,
> something kind of smells here.  i think the responsible thing to do would
> be to refund the money people gave in good faith, believing that the
> money would be used to finance a larger atlanta store.  like, what benefit
> are atlanta folks going to get from the store relocating to key west?

the same benefit that the rest of us all over the world get: a
fine mail order music shop which knows its stuff and cares about the
music it supports. i just dont understand why you are so bitter
that rdr has decided to move.

> a cool place to browse at cds when they can actually afford a pricey
> vacation down there? i doubt it. people really should question these things
> a little more, rather than wistfully chirp about how great it is that perry and
> marsha are relocating/opening a store in the florida keys. thanks for listening.
> peace and responsible capitalism,
>

you yourself have said that you have never been to key west.  maybe you
should check your facts before assuming anything about the financial
wherefores of such a move.  sorry if you feel somehow "ripped off".
sounds like crying over spilt milk to me, and yes i am being a bit
testy about this.  perry and marsha are friends, and i will come to
their defense.  as said before, they had planned on expanding in
atlanta, and a lot of things came into to play to change that course.
many of those are bst left trusted to be the personal business of perry
and marsha.  if you have questions you want to ask, i suggest that you
take it up with them, and not the list.

goodbye everyone. it's been fun, but i'm taking a break for a while.
maybe i'll be back int he fall.

-- samantha the ski girl

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still up for grabs..
two reserved seating red rocks tix...
please email asap...
thanks
anj
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