lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-07c


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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 00:12:40 -0400
reply-to:     memememi@aol.com
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from:         lisa dupre <memememi@aol.com>
subject:      re: amy and emily jobs

in a message dated 97-07-14 23:07:46 edt, you write:

> >does anyone know what kind of crappy jobs the girls did before hitting it
>  >big?  i think we all sometimes think they just immediately made money
>  >with their music, but i bet amy and emily did their share of general
>  >labor and food service....

i just saw or read an interview where emily said that she bagged groceries
for kroger (a local grocery store in atlanta) and amy said that she once
worked in a record pressing plant.  emily said that if she wasn't a musician,
she'd be an english teacher, and i can't remember what amy said.  i'll have
to find that interview again!

lisa

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date:         mon, 14 jul 1997 23:34:57 -0500
reply-to:     abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
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from:         abigail <abaroo@execpc.com>
subject:      rdr relocation
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>>like, what benefit
>> are atlanta folks going to get from the store relocating to key west?

>the same benefit that the rest of us all over the world get: a
>fine mail order music shop which knows its stuff and cares about the
>music it supports.  i just dont understand why you are so bitter
>that rdr has decided to move.

ok, i'll go for this one. these are strictly my personal and (probably)
selfish thoughts, and i should also add that i'm not up on my digests from
when i was gone, so if i have any clear misinformation about this whole rdr
situation, please correct me. here goes though:

to respond to the question of how the move affects fans of ig/rdr outside of
atlanta and florida--people who never visit the store anyway, i'll offer
this possible explanation. as a strong ig fan living way outside of the
south, (in other words, visiting atlanta or florida is really not possible
for me) rdr has always symbolized something solid that would be waiting in
atlanta should i come to visit. i always saw it as akin to eddie's attic,
the flying biscuit, and many other places that would be part of the
"die-hard ig fan tour of atlanta." however, since all of the recent
controversy surrounding rdr, that's been questioned in my mind, and with the
impending move, it now seems final. atlanta once seemed to me to be a mecca
of my fandom. i anticipated a trip there someday that would be magical. i
assumed living there would be the answer to all of my problems. i now
realize that, although i'm sure it's a wonderful city, this was just a
symptom of how caught up in my crazed ig fandom i was. so, this whole rdr
business is sort of symbolic for me--it's a sign that i'm moving on to a
new, probably healthier, stage of being an ig fan. i don't know if this has
had a similar effect on anyone else. i think it's kind of interesting
though. ok, off my soapbox...

:) abigail

"there's where i've come from and where i'm going, and i am lost in between"

~ani difranco

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 01:04:36 -0400
reply-to:     xg1rl@aol.com
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subject:      re: opening act july 13th seattle wa
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the billy tipton memorial sax quartet...a seattle band.  they will be at
bumbershoot, btw!
~jen

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 02:11:57 -0400
reply-to:     xg1rl@aol.com
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subject:      sunday seattle setlist...got it! :)

secure yourself  <---i looked back and i said it was strange fire...i have no
idea why!?!?
hammer and a nail
shame on you
caramia
hey kind friend
get out the map
reunion
least complicated
scooter boys
leeds
don't give that girl a gun
prince of darkness
shed your skin (with the billy tipton memorial quartet)
everything in its own time
chickenman
blood quantum
galileo
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love's recovery
cut it out/down by the river <---down by the river in the middle of cut it
out
closer to fine

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date:         mon, 14 jul 1997 23:20:56 -0700
reply-to:     java olympia solis <jsolis@oregon.uoregon.edu>
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from:         java olympia solis <jsolis@oregon.uoregon.edu>
subject:      champoeg tree and the pier
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hello,
as far as the champoeg 7/9 boot goes, there will be a tree set up soon.  i
was out of town for a few days, so i haven't answered the requests that
came in while i was gone.  since i will probably have to spend then next
few days attached to the record button on my stereo i'm hoping those of
you i haven't answered won't mind waiting until the tree is set up.
thanks. (not that i'll mind, at all, a few days full of amy and emily.)

oh, the pier.  due to some crazy circumstances i was up in seattle
sat-mon.  so, i stood outside of the pier with the rest of the
non-ticket-holders and listened to two of those awsome seattle ig shows.
the sidewalks were packed!  i only wish a and e could have seen it.
people were singing and dancing and claping...it was great. there was an
article in the seattle paper about the shows (which is in my car, so i
will type it up tomorrow and post it) which was rather favoravble. (yeah)

java

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 02:38:06 -0400
reply-to:     xg1rl@aol.com
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subject:      re: the pier on sunday...from a most groovinest crowd member :)
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oh yeah, another thing...
  i think emily might have been a little sick.  i saw her sipping on warm tea
during the set, plus she'd been inside watching golf all day, instead of out
in the sun!  plus, she left _right_ after the show...maybe not, but it kinda
seemed that way.
:)
~jen

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 00:18:17 -0700
reply-to:     jan monforton <jmonfort@vannet.k12.wa.us>
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from:         jan monforton <jmonfort@vannet.k12.wa.us>
subject:      a couple of things
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well, i'm off to colorado in a few hours. i'm very exciting about seeing
the girls at red rocks (the friday show). if any of you write to me for
some reason, don't expect an answer until august...i'm going to be gone
a while.
on another note, after reading the postings about sunday's show, i'm
starting to wish that i would have gone to it instead of going saturday.
i am especially regretting not getting to hear secure yourself. i've been
wanting to hear them play it at one of the concerts i've gone to because
i knew that we'd be putting one of our dogs to sleep soon. today was the
day we had to do it. he was 14, can you believe it? it was so hard
because i love him so much and we got him when i was 3...it's like i
never lived without him. anyway, i kept singing secure yourself today.
i'm still hoping that maybe i'll get to hear it at red rocks.
i'll miss you all while i'm gone.
-sam

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 10:12:01 -0400
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from:         abby mcguire <abby493@aol.com>
subject:      re: the pier on sunday

hi all

anyone know if there is a boot of this show?  i like the set list a lot and
i'm a sax player so i'd love to hear that sax quartet.  thanks in advance for
any info.

have a great day!!

abby  =o)

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 07:58:58 -0700
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subject:      pier shows.....
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were excellent (and dry!:)!  they genuinely seem to enjoy playing here and
at one point said that they asked if they could be the house band;) as has
been said, saturday was the best or at least that's my opinion.  a & e
seemed to find the groove and were real caught up in it, and the set list
was my favorite of the three (got to hear crazy game and land of canaan).
and as i remember, the second pier show for the so tour was also the better
of the two.  and i really enjoyed *finally* seeing michelle malone, and i
may have to pick up some david wilcox cds as he was good and amusing:)  he
seemed *thrilled* to come out and sing love's recovery with the girls.

learned some interesting lessons as well (besides the value of wearing
sunscreen;)
lesson #1:  dachshunds *can* be fun.  all of sunday, those of us at the
front of the line dog-sat ginger;  she was lots of fun; she belonged to one
of the truck drivers (greg) who drove the equipment-laden semis for the
girls.  we also dog-sat trucker, a cockerspaniel that belonged to the other
driver.  after the show, on the way to the car we said goodbye to greg and
he gave my gf and i each a tour shirt for watching ginger.  pretty cool!
lesson #2:  there seems to be two types of hard core fans:  those that
actually *hear* the lyrics and aspire to emulate amy and emily's messages,
and those that......don't.  it's interesting how the indigo girls seem to
bring out the best in some and the worst in others.  perhaps it's a
magnification of what is already there.  who knows.

hope those in utah and colorado enjoy the shows - wish i was going to be
there - they'll rock!

...........................................
i want to be the girl with the most cake.
                    -courtney love
...........................................

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 11:32:57 -0400
reply-to:     boilrmkr@bu.edu
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from:         anjeanette milner <boilrmkr@bu.edu>
subject:      sigc- ani in spin
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while i know this aint the ani station (tune in again
boys and girls later at this channel for regularly scheduled igc)
i want all ya'll to know that ani difranco is in this month's
spin mag (found at your coolest magazine stores) the igc here
is the following: amy ray was with ani when the interview happened
(or something similar) and they interviewed amy too!!!!
so rush out all the obsessed wonders and read it....

and for a personal note, my friend who was with me while
i went into conniptions was laughing sooooo hard at me
while i got all doe-eyed and cutey voice about how ani
is the most gorgeous rawking babe ever to walk the planet
and who in their right minds wouldnt love her (yes this means
there was a fnarking awesome b/w piccie of her up close
and personal.. i saw pores!!!!)... this doesnt mean if you
dont love ani you cant love me.. i just thought you'd
love a picture in your head of someone bent double laughing
while the other person is mooning and making 3yr old gurgling
noises at an inanimate magazine

admittedly and unabashedly in love with ani and the grrrls
l'anj
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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 11:36:43 -0400
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from:         kathleen flaherty <kef1330@aol.com>
subject:      the amy article

thanks to lorie driscoll for sending me the letter to the editor that amy
submitted.

and thanks to everyone else who offered.

i guess i shouldn't just lurk, huh?  you guys are great!

cheers!
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 11:19:56 -0400
reply-to:     42nat1 <mmgst11+@pitt.edu>
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subject:      re: austin city limits
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> hey folks :)
>
> i'm not sure if this has been discussed already..but the girls are doing a
> second austin city limits right after the red rocks shows. reportedly emmy
> lou harris may appear with them. that's all i know for now.
> we are fortunate ones,
> joe
> http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones

hey kind friends,

        excuse me for being a little dense, but is this a television show?
something tells me it is, but i could be wrong.  if it is, does anyone
know when it will be broadcast, or what channel it will be on?  i also
love emmy lou, so this would be great to see.  thanks!!!
peace, melissa

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 11:47:18 -0400
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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from:         deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: closer to fine?
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at 03:56 pm 7/10/97 -0500, deb reiser wrote:
>this topic reminds me of something i've been meaning to mention. i wouldn't
>mind hearing ctf, galileo or other older tunes so much if maybe they revised
>them to make them seem fresh. something simple like adding a verse (like
>paul simon did to the boxer) or changing the tempo or styling.

aimee mann always finds something new and interesting to do to "voices
carry."  my personal favorite (so far) is the reggae version. :)

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               - ani difranco, "hour follows hour"

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 09:29:13 -0700
reply-to:     ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
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from:         ron johnson <ronjohns@microsoft.com>
subject:      an indigo weekend

hi all-

out of lurkdom i come to thank all of the attendees of the seattle pier
shows for the great vibes and showing amy and emily what seattle is all
about.

my wife and i were lucky enough to moor our sailboat at the marina right
next to the pier venue so we got to see some interesting stuff.  namely,
i met the guy who produces the pier shows.  he seemed nice enough but
kind of busy and stressed.  anyhow, i was too intimidated to grovel for
passes or pry too much.  i just thanked him and went on my way.

we loved the music all three nights.  there is just too much to list
here.  i just wished they could have had separated the dancers from the
sitters just to keep the crowd out of conflict.  if i had to pick a
highlight of set lists, i would have to say the improvisation and
blending of ig music into covers was really cool.  the leeds into
redemption song on sat. night was perfect.  they did seem a little more
scattered on saturday but they admitted that they were changing up the
set list a bit and i guess that's what threw them off.  however, i would
hardly call it "off."  the opening bands rocked as well.  i've never
been to a run of shows where the opening bands were so good.  our
friends that went to friday and saturday night were blown away.  almost
all literally said they hadn't been so impressed with such a live
performance since seeing the dead play.  cd's and tapes simply do not do
the band justice.  if i had it my way, i'd go on tour with them all
summer (year?) long.

after the sunday show, ellie skippered the boat back to our marina by
way of backstage.  i'm pretty sure i saw sara lee against the lights and
i thought i heard emily say "thanks for coming" when we thanked them for
the beautiful music.  it's incredible that the band stays so humble and
kind with the popularity they've gained over the years.

lastly, on our way home, i looked in the rear view mirror to see a large
bus coming up on my tail at about 80mph.  as it pulled by, i recognized
it as one of the tour buses out in front of the venue.  well, i stepped
on it and pulled along side to see sara lee, josh seagull (?), and the
harmonica player getting some grub and winding down.  luckily, ellie had
bought an indigo girls sticker and we held it up and honked while we
went by.  we got a wave and a smile back.  kind of cool.  they were
heading east on i-90.  does anyone know where they might have been
headed?

enjoy it while you can folks.  we are fortunate ones to have such
generous and sincere artists.  these two could be ripping us off blind
and producing cheezy ear candy for music but they don't.  their love of
performing (and i would like to believe their love for us, their fans)
is self evident.  let's try to give back to them by doing good deeds and
expressing tolerance at every opportunity.

take care-
ron

"the wheel is turning and you can't slow down,
you can't let go and you can't hold on,
you can't go back and you can't stand still,
if the thunder don't get you then the lightning will."  -the wheel

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 13:33:25 -0400
reply-to:     "christina j. carr" <carrcj@miavx1.acs.muohio.edu>
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subject:      farewell for a while
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i will be off the list and email for a week and a half, so if you are
trying to reach me, it won't get through 'til july 27th.
thanks,
chris carr
"do or do not.  there is no try..."
                 -quote from a very wise little green muppet...

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 13:44:27 -0400
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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at 05:20 pm 7/12/97 -0400, debra bullard wrote:
>well, i have been watching the women'g golf open,
>and i have seen nancy lopez for the last two days wearing a sara lee visor.
>now i know that that, written in that sort of script,
>it could imply pound cake instead of awsome bass, but...
>it is my suspicion that she must be a big fan of our sara lee.

seen in a queer store in midtown atlanta:  a refrigerator magnet that says
"the *only* woman i'll eat is sara lee!"

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 13:38:20 -0400
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subject:      re: a lesson learned...
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at 09:05 pm 7/11/97 +0000, seona wrote:
>hi, all, john clarified (seeminly definitively) the mystery guy who so
>sweetly handed me a pick at the jacksonville, oregon show..his name is
>trace. some of y'all sent me sweet words and inquiries about this new ig
>techy...hope this answers everyone's curiosity.  re posted with his
>permission...=)  thanks john!  and thanks to everyone who wrote =)

anyone know if this is the same trace fellow who guitar tech'd for melissa
etheridge?

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 11:31:27 -0700
reply-to:     aml@scn.org
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from:         ann m labeck <aml@scn.org>
subject:      seattle shows

lots of great comments have already been posted, so i won't get
into repeating stuff.

someone asked if anyone heard ulali singing along on leeds on sat.
night.  i was on the amy side and thought i heard something that
sounded like ulali's vocal part--but i think it was some audience
folks.  logically speaking, if ulali had been there, they would've
been onstage with the girls.

jen in her great review of sunday said that:
>opened with *strange fire...yeah!

oops.  they opened with secure yourself.

and then:

>she said something to amy in
>the middle of the song out of microphone range...like a full long sentence
>worth of stuff, not just a word or two.

she said something like: did you see that girl in the black overalls up
in the bleachers?

i was sitting in the front row and could read her lips.

i always sit in the amy side.  it's the best for watching emily play.
i figure that an indigo girls concert is not only a great event, it's
also a chance to get a free guitar lesson from the guitar goddess
herself. she's got great chops.  i always learn a thing or two to
take home with me.

i've got the set lists here somewhere (no not the real ones they used!)
and i'll post 'em later.  each concert was different. same new stuff
each night, different old stuff each night (w/the exceptions of
chickenman, galileo, closer to fine). the skipped hey kind friend
and cut it out on sat.  they seemed to be switching their set list
around during the last part of the concert (to accommodate audience
requests?).  it was funny--and they seemed to be having a great time.

i had the best time on sat. watching a group of younger teenaged girls
attend what must have been their first concert.  they were singing along
and trying to learn how to dance and they were so sweet and fun to see.

rude fan encounters:

few and far between.  i still think it's funny when people arrive late
(like 5 mins. before the girls take the stage)and are seriously po'd
when the front row has people sitting in it.

duh.

i also finally got there early enough to get a front row seat, and i, for
one, was really happy that the pier security kept people from crowding
down front.  especially since there were several folks in wheelchairs who
never would've seen a thing had there been people standing in front of
them.  just my $.02.

there was a good review of the show in the seattle times.  i'll post that
later when i have time to transcribe it.

off to practice the new guitar stuff i picked up over the weekend!

ann

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after already asking once, i'm stunned that no one out there knows the
number for russell carter's office.  in fact, i know there are people
out there with it!  i've seen that some of you have called there and
posted about it to the list.

all i'm asking for is a number so that i can change my address!  it's a
plea!  help!  email me now!  :)

please?
renee

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>thanks to lorie driscoll for sending me the letter to the editor that amy
>submitted.
>
>and thanks to everyone else who offered.
>
>i guess i shouldn't just lurk, huh?  you guys are great!
>
>cheers!
>kathleen   kef1330@aol.com
>

hi,

can someone also send me a copy of amy's response?  thanks so much.

elena   elena@cruzio.com

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austin city limits is a television show produced in austin, texas by the
local public television station. it is broadcast on those public
television stations that choose to run the show. here in austin it comes
on on saturday nights.

ig appeared on acl a few years back with nancy griffith, mary chapin
carpenter and liz gold.

usually shows are taped and then it takes a few weeks to work on the
tape and get the sound right and then a broadcast is scheduled.

hope this helps

peace,

dan perkins
post-episodic clairvoyant
tour guide to the obvious
bassist/singer/songwriter

"...well something's lost, but something's gained
  in living everyday..."
               -joni mitchell

>-----original message-----
>from:  42nat1 [smtp:mmgst11+@pitt.edu]
>sent:  tuesday, july 15, 1997 10:20 am
>subject:       re: austin city limits
>
>> hey folks :)
>>
>> i'm not sure if this has been discussed already..but the girls are doing a
>> second austin city limits right after the red rocks shows. reportedly emmy
>> lou harris may appear with them. that's all i know for now..
>> we are fortunate ones,
>> joe
>> http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones
>
>hey kind friends,
>
>        excuse me for being a little dense, but is this a television show?
>something tells me it is, but i could be wrong.  if it is, does anyone
>know when it will be broadcast, or what channel it will be on?  i also
>love emmy lou, so this would be great to see.  thanks!!!
>peace, melissa

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on tue, 15 jul 1997 xg1rl@aol.com wrote:

> the billy tipton memorial sax quartet...a seattle band.  they will be at
      ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

these guys were indeed great and the horns added a *lot* to "shed your
skin".  trivia point--the band is named, if memory serves, for a local sax
player who was discovered posthumously to have been a woman.  this came as
a rude shock to her kids...

lucy


> bumbershoot, btw!
> ~jen
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in a message dated 97-07-15 15:14:23 edt, mmgst11+@pitt.edu (42nat1) writes:

<<
         excuse me for being a little dense, but is this a television show?
something tells me it is, but i could be wrong.  if it is, does anyone
know when it will be broadcast, or what channel it will be on?  i also
love emmy lou, so this would be great to see.  thanks!!!
peace, melissa
  >>

austin city limits is a show on pbs.  it's like a mini concert.  i think it's
on for about a 1/2 hour.  it usually showcases country acts.  i'm so excited
the ig's will be on there!!

janeen

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on tue, 15 jul 1997, renee grebe wrote:

> after already asking once, i'm stunned that no one out there knows the
> number for russell carter's office.  in fact, i know there are people
> out there with it!  i've seen that some of you have called there and
> posted about it to the list.
>
dunno the number, but this should help:

russell carter artist mgmt ltd.
315 w. ponce de leon ave, suite 755
decatur, ga  30030

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o.k., don't laugh....

what is the correct pronunciation of daemon?

is it    daymon   or   deemon (as in demon)  or  demon (as in demonstration)?

cheers!
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>
> o.k., don't laugh....
>
> what is the correct pronunciation of daemon?
>
> is it    daymon   or   deemon (as in demon)  or  demon (as in demonstration)?
>
deemon, 'cause it's an archaic spelling of "demon".
kirsten

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> what is the correct pronunciation of daemon?
>
> is it    daymon   or   deemon (as in demon)  or  demon (as in demonstration)?
>

>deemon, 'cause it's an archaic spelling of "demon".
>kirsten

i'm sure it's pronounced daymon.  i heard amy and emily say it on
different boots!

claudine

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>> what is the correct pronunciation of daemon?
>>
>> is it    daymon   or   deemon (as in demon)  or  demon (as in demonstration)?
>>
>
>>deemon, 'cause it's an archaic spelling of "demon".
>>kirsten
>
>i'm sure it's pronounced daymon.  i heard amy and emily say it on
>different boots!

i typically dislike "me too" posts, but this seems like one of those things
that warrant one. so, i want to second claudine's comment. i too have heard
it pronounce by amy as "daymon".

deb

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wahoo!!

well i guess if you are a big collectibles geek like me, you couldn't have
a bigger unearthing than my good friend louise had today (yes we consider
ourselves contemporary archaeologists :)... at a small record store in
upstate mass. she happened upon a robin's egg blue e.p.. this is the first
of it's kind as far as i've heard. i've got to say the jealousy is setting
in as she just got the coveted clear vinyl e.p. and original strangefire
only a month ago. good things happen to good people! hopefully i'll have a
picture of it on my site whenever i get time to take a breath.
we are fortunate ones,
joe

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on tue, 15 jul 1997, deb reiser wrote:

> >i'm sure it's pronounced daymon.  i heard amy and emily say it on
> >different boots!
>
> i typically dislike "me too" posts, but this seems like one of those things
> that warrant one. so, i want to second claudine's comment. i too have heard
> it pronounce by amy as "daymon".
>
when amy asked me for a cool name for a record label, i clearly and
distinctly told her:

epic


then i said

daemon (daymon).


enjoy. drink your milk.

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this is a review from the seattle post-intelligencer, monday july 14,
1997.  it is reprinted without permission and all type-os are mine...

the indigo girls and their friends generate a musical celebration
by gene stout

        the indigo girls couldn't get much closer to fine.
        the atlanta folk-rock duo's soaring harmonies, dramatic
orchestration and infections drive spurred a musical celebration friday
night at pier 62/63
        it was hard to tell who was having more fusn, the indigo girls'
amy ray and emily saliers - or their adoring fans.
        "we have such a great time in thsi part of the country," ray told
the sellout crowd.
        ray and saliers, whose contrasting styles colored nearly every
song, began with a distinctive version of bob dylan's "tangled up in blue"
and closed two hours later with a highflying "closer to fine," their
biggest single.
        backing ray and saliers were longtime band members sara lee (bass)
and jerry marotta (drums), as well as guest musician josh segal (bass
clarinet, mandolin, guitar and pennywhistle) on loan from the borrowers.
        atlanta singer-sonwriter michelle malone, who performed friday's
opening set, also joined in on several songs on guitar, harmonica and
background vocals.
        the 20-song show focused on material form the duo's new album,
"shaming of the sun" beginning with "don't give that girl a gun", a
relationship-on-the-rocks anthem that containted the line, "i'm your girl
strong and mean/take the first, baby, it'll be real clean."  by contrast,
the next song, "it's alright," was rousing and up beat.
        the lovely, melancholy, "ehy kind friend" includ{d references to
spokane, the ca{cade range and olympia that brought cheers from the crowd.
the song featured saliers on dulcimer, lee on grand piano and segal on
pennywhistle and bass clarinet.
        saliers played banjo and electric guitar on "shame on you" a fiery
freedom song that prompted a singalong with its catchy "la la la" chorus.
the indigo girls followed with "power of tow" a tender song played on
acoustic instuments.
        lee's first-rate bass playing came to the fore ont "scooter boys,
" a song inspired by the mayan resistance movement in mexicao.  next cam
"leeds," a melacholy, strea-of-consciousness song that featured saliers on
grad piano and vocals, singing "sixteen black churches burning on the tv,
all the way form texas to tennessee."
        the somewhat erotic "shed your skin" featured a hip-hop beat and a
complex layering of sounds.  ray played electric guitar, segal bass
clarinet and mandolin.
        saliers picked up the banjo again and ray the mandolin for "get
out the map" a pretty yet melancholy song about the distnaces that grow
between friends: "why do we hurtle ourselves through every inch of time
and space/i must say around some corner i can sense a resting plance.ok"
        the indigo girls concluded their main set with popular "galileo{
whcih prompted another joyous singalon{.
        rerturning quickly for an encore, the duo sang a tender version of
the rolling stones' "wild horses," followed by the boisterous back-porch
rocker "chickenman."
        a large crowd was standing on the sidewalk outside the venue when
the show came to a close at 11 pm with a soaring, corwd-pleasing version
of "closer to fine," the duo's break through 1989 hit singls.
        the indigo girls also performed sold-out shows saturday night
(with the billy tipton memeorial saxophone quartet) and last night (with
damive wilcox).

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i'm hoping its not pronounced deemon, please tell me it isn't so !!!!

>> what is the correct pronunciation of daemon?
>>
>> is it    daymon   or   deemon (as in demon)  or  demon (as in
>demonstration)?
>>
>
>>deemon, 'cause it's an archaic spelling of "demon".
>>kirsten
>
>i'm sure it's pronounced daymon.  i heard amy and emily say it on
>different boots!
>
>

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wanna give my extra ticket to the lilith fair in scranton, pa (aug. 13th) a
good home? only $29.75 (face value) and you get to sit next to *me*! ;-)
this show includes ig, sarah mclachlan, shawn colvin, lisa loeb, patty griffin,
and (yuk!) sheryl crow and jewel. respond by private e-mail if interested...
kirsten

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hey y'all...
   i have got a few requests for boots of the seattle shows...and i want some
too, especially sunday night.  the problem is, i don't know if anyone booted
them!!!  i'm _someone_ had to, right?  if you did, or know anyone that did,
pulllllllllllllllllleeeeeeeeeessseee let me know :)
take care all...
jen

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hello everyone,

i just wanted to thank those fine people who efficiently gave me the info.
i was lookin' for.  ya'll are great!  if anyone out there doesn't know,
email me and i'll let ya know! :)  peace, melissa

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hey everyone,

i've always thought the contraction of "you" and "all" was spelled ya'll.
i figured "you" became the slang "ya" and the "a" in "all" was replaced by
an apostrophe.  but, i was watching mtv (because of my vain hopes that
they'd show the soy video, yeah right) and a show was on called "indie
outing," i believe, on which a group called "y'all" performed.  i figure
if you're gonna call your band a name you would know how to spell it.  so
have i always been wrong or are both ways acceptable?  just wonderin'.
peace, melissa

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i eveyone, i just wanted to say that i will enjoy talking to everyone.

does that sound to plain jane or what.

hows this everyone here rocks.
now that makes me excited.

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hi eveyone, i just wanted to say that i will enjoy talking to everyone.

does that sound to plain jane or what.

hows this everyone here rocks.
now that makes me excited.

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 18:33:30 -0400
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subject:      the amy article again

well, it appears that a bunch of listers hadn't read this article or amy's
response to it as i have received numerous posts inquiring about it.

so, just to help everybody out...

the article can be found through altavista at

http://atlantamag.atlanta.com/atlsfire.html


and here is amy's letter to the editor....

>"who's that girl?"
>
>        when i agreed to do a series of interviews for an article in
>"atlanta" magazine ['strange fire,' march, by robert c. morris], i was
>given the distinct impression that the article would focus on my
>endeavors outside of the indigo girls. i spent the majority of the
>interview sessions discussing in detail the inner workings of my
>independent record label, daemon records (a label run by and for the
>benefit of local musicians), and the honor the earth campaign - a
>campaign that emily and i helped to start that funds indigenous
>environmental grassroots activism. these worthy ventures and their
>related topics were my intended focus. instead, the writer, robert
>morris, focused on amy ray - tragic and temperamental motivator of the
>indigo girls - creating an image to suit his story, including personal
>matters taken out of context that he was privy to only by accidental
>circumstatances. robert skimmed through my activism, listing causes in an
>exploitive way, only using them to paint an exaggerated picture of a dark
>revolutionary and not providing any real information. i would never have
>agreed to an article on one-half of the indigo girls, dismissing emily as
>this one does. we are, after all, a partnership. if i was as self-absorbed
>and calculated as this story is, i would be patting myself on the back;
>instead my only reaction is, 'who cares?....what a waste of space.' you
>could have turned some people on to some great local bands or informed
>them of important environmental and political resources. the only tragic
>characters in this story are the ones you didn't spend any time writing
>about."
>
>amy ray
>atlanta

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> >> what is the correct pronunciation of daemon?
> >> is it    daymon   or   deemon (as in demon)  or  demon (as in demonstration)?

> >>deemon, 'cause it's an archaic spelling of "demon".
> >>kirsten
> >
> >i'm sure it's pronounced daymon.  i heard amy and emily say it on
> >different boots!
>
> so, i want to second claudine's comment. i too have heard
> it pronounce by amy as "daymon".

i can't believe you all had a big long discussion about this without me.
i hate digest mode sometimes.

amy calls her label daymon.

but the word daemon is supposed to be pronounced deemon.  printer
daemons, mailer daemons - they're all called "demons".  the dictionary
lists the pronunciation as "demon".   and like kirsten said,  it's the
same word as modern-day "demon", in the older spelling.  and the reason
people stopped spelling it "daemon" and started spelling it "demon" was
because they were pronouncing it "deemon".    once the spellings
separated, the meanings started to separate too, although they're closely
related.

so what i want to know is whether amy just didn't spend enough time in the
unix lab in college, or whether there's a reason she calls it daymon.

yes, i spent way too much time thinking about that.   i'm over it now.  <g>

"misanthropy, yes, misogyny, no" - peter greenaway
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the correct spelling is "y'all." have y'all ever tried making it
possessive? it comes out looking kinda weird. for example, take the
sentence "may i eat at your house?" let's say you're talking to two
people. the slang would be (if i'm correct), "may i eat at y'all's house?"
would that be correct? it looks odd but i think it _is_ correct. i know
for a fact it's much better than saying "can i eat at y'all's house?" of
course you can but will i let you??

i've got a midterm exam in about 10 minutes. that's why i care about this.
i'm not this way under normal circumstances. this is what
math does to me. i'm going now...

:)

jendy (who doesn't really want to eat at y'all's houses, unless, of
       course, you insist)

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okay, two things. one: i have added another prize. this prize is a set of
two(count 'em, two) vinyl singles dating back to the early 80's. one
features "land of canaan" on it's a side, and a bunch of stuff on it's b
side, the other has several cover tunes on it, including a few elton
john/bernie taupin selections. that's all i'm saying. lovingly theived from
a college radio station that refused to play them, these rare artifacts
were smuggled out by myself and another indigo monk, who though he has been
sainted, shall remain nameless. okay, now that i've gotten that off my
chest.....article two concerns people signed up for this clambake. those
already signed up are as follows:

tigger
llana
tricia
rosebudd36@aol.com (do you have something else you'd like me to address you
by?)
jendy
robin

so it's just 7 so far. i remind you all that this costs you only the price
of a roll or two of film for your camera, and the postage to mail them to
me (or develop 'em yourself) the more people that sign up, the bigger the
prize package will get! i know what you're thinking "why would somebody do
this? i wonder what they're getting out of it?" i assure you..not a damn
thing! i'm doing it because i love whimsy and fun, and i am so bored you
wouldn't believe it. today is the 15th, i will send out the first list on
the 18th. the first list will contain items from the strange
fire/self-titled albums era. start thinking about it...............

happy hunting!

stoka

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>    i have got a few requests for boots of the seattle shows...and i want some
> too, especially sunday night.  the problem is, i don't know if anyone booted
> them!!!  i'm _someone_ had to, right?  if you did, or know anyone that did,

my new criteria for whether i successfully booted a show is "is there
sound on all four sides of the tapes?"   by that lofty standard, i got
friday and sunday.   saturday fell victim to my redemption songs curse.

here's a little booting tip for y'all:  the red button is the record
button.  the black button next to the red button?  that's just the play
button.  push that one, and you won't actually be recording the show.
nope, you won't.  don't ask me how i know this...

yeah.  i could give you a similar tip relating to the "pause" button, but
i don't want to overwhelm you with my technical superiority.

anyway, i talked to a woman named carol who visits the aol chat room and
she also got a boot of friday's show.  she seemed to be a lot more
experienced with audio equipment that i am, and she was planning to tape
again on saturday and probably sunday too.  if anyone is on aol, you could
look for her or ask about boots in the chat room.  i'm not, so i can't do
it.

there were other people booting too, from the pnw contingent, so there
will probably be a decent set available.

i hope so - i thought all three nights were incredible, and saturday was
practically perfect.  the end of blood quantum on saturday - the native
chanting harmony part - was breathtaking (and the audience shut up and
listened - good audience).  josh segal's violin intro to virginia woolf
was really good - i think i heard them do it before without that intro,
so i'd really like to have that.

on friday, emily messed up the words to it's alright.  it was really funny
(to me anyway), because michelle had come out and started with my green
thumb, and messed up the words right away, too.  something was going
around.  they both sang later verses earlier in the song than they were
supposed to come up, replacing early verses.  i always wonder what it
feels like when they get to the real place where that verse goes - they
must have the memory of having sung that part, way too recently for it to
have been, say, last night, or even sound check.  that sinking feeling
that you just sang that verse.... and maybe some kind of panic, not
knowing whether you messed up before or whether you're messing it up right
now.  emily kind of laughed after she finished the song, and i think she
said "sorry".

on sunday, amy inserted some of down by the river into cut it out.  i
don't know whether the band didn't know she was going to do it at all, or
whether the way she did it was so spontaneous they got lost, but she
ended up apologizing to them after.  her singing was really wild and
full of pain.

so, i hope someone got _good_ versions of all these moments for a tree.
if not, i can offer friday and sunday, but i'll wait a while and see what
shows up.  i have to listen to mine all again to see what the quality
really sounds like, anyway.

"misanthropy, yes, misogyny, no" - peter greenaway
alison  -  alisont@netcom.com

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hey y'all:-)
just *had* to post + say i *finally* did it... i am no longer an "ig-concert
virgin"... lost that title officially on sunday night at the pier in
seattle... and it didn't hurt one bit:-)
thankyou trace + jen for getting heather + i there... you rule... and kim
from north van... thanx fer the excellant seats ( 8th row back just right of
center ) we had a great view... could see every expression etc that passed
of a + e's faces. that, + the "blow us away we ought to've nailed our shoes
to the pier" performance, served to absolutely convert my heather who is now
certain amy ray walks on water...
the setlists have already been posted + so has a run down on the back +
forth banter betwixt a + e on stage + the audience, so i wont even try to
write a report on any of that. just *know* that this fan has been spoiled
for any other concert... i may go to hundreds more in my life, but i know
this will top any other experience because it was my first ig concert. no
other group has ever touched me the way the girls do, both lyrically *and*
musically. their fans rock too:-) what a great feeling in that crowd... and
the weather was pefect too... bright + sunny with a gentle breeze blowing in
off the water...
oh, and i finally got to meet some of the list members who up untill now i'd
only known by post + name:-) let's see... ( aside from trace, jen + kim
hobbes who i'd already met ) there was kathy, sue, sundara, pj, karrie, claire
( binkster extraoirdinaire ) and carolyn... hope i didn't leave anyone
out... if i did, i blame it on travel lag, hot sun + indigo-girl overload:-)
i had an absolute blast... what an incredible experience!!
peace all... kim ( goddess still "aglow" with good vibes from the concert...
i love you, i love you all... ):-)
ps
was it already posted that the billy tipton sax players were invited along
to join the ig at lileth fair in vancouver???... they were awsome + make a
great addition to the onstage presence + sound:-) y'all will love em:-)
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the flesh is strong the spirit stronger, so shed your
skin baby, let it through... comeonovernow!!!!... amy ray
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i am wondering if anyone has tickets available for friday night's show in
red rocks....please!  i am desperate to make the 15 hour road trip.  if
not, can someone turn me on to where i could possibly find some?

i did find some in the 31st row...for $80 a piece...a little pricey for me
but i'm almost desperate enough to do it.  like i'd regret it later...yeah
right!  i know that show is going to be one of the best ever!

any help would be appreciated!

thanks,

jennifer--who has removed her "i'ts alright" to be gay signature after
embarrasing myself with an e-mail or two to my brother and landlord!!!  :-0
oooops!

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hey,
i'm trying to set up a trip to indiana to work with suzanne and anyone
else on that ig covers cd.  is anyone else out there going?  i'll probably
leave the first week of august (from or), so if anyone wants to carpool/
or needs a ride, let me know.  i think interest has sort of slacked off,
but it would be very cool...so, you all should email suzanne and tell
her how very excited you are to be going out there...yes, do it now.  ok,
hope this all works out...
java

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i've been reading all of these emails, and am still in the dark about
what rdr is? (or what it sells or whatever) anyway, is it still open?
are there any atlanta natives who can tell me where it's at incase it
still is open and i care to visit?
thanks,
david

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does anyone know when this will be on pbs??  time and date??
thanks,
david

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the honor the earth campaign announces

after a very successful year of domestic us release, daemon recordsu
honor benefit compilation cd has just been picked up by normal
records for european distribution. on august 8, 1997 honor will be
available in germany, austria, switzerland, continental europe and the
uk.

the following distribution companies will be carrying the cd in their
individual territories:

              hitch hyke records in greece
              indigo music gmbh in germany
              media 7 in france
              ixthuluh music gmbh in austria
              direct distribution in uk, wales, scotland and ireland
              bertus in netherlands, belgium and luxembourg
              disctrade in switzerland
              musikkdistribusjon in norway
              caroline espana in spain


the new european honor release contains all the original music and
artwork, with the addition of updated text relating to issues surrounding
the little rocky mountains, old growth forest logging, and nuclear
waste disposal on native sites. new information about the 1997
honor the earth tour and live internet broadcasts will also be
included in the packaging.

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and eventually our theories couldn't explain it all
and i'm recording our history now on the bedroom wall
and when we leave the landlord will come
and paint over it all .... ani difranco

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 21:40:17 -0400
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actually, neither "y'all" nor "ya'll" is *correct* in any sense of
standard english.  however, who cares? =p  i'm from georgia!  i'll talk
the way i want to!  unless, of course, i'm talking with a professor, or
going to a job interview...
amy

on tue, 15 jul 1997, joanie wrote:

> the correct spelling is "y'all." have y'all ever tried making it
> possessive? it comes out looking kinda weird. for example, take the
> sentence "may i eat at your house?" let's say you're talking to two
> people. the slang would be (if i'm correct), "may i eat at y'all's house?"
> would that be correct? it looks odd but i think it _is_ correct. i know
> for a fact it's much better than saying "can i eat at y'all's house?" of
> course you can but will i let you??
>
> i've got a midterm exam in about 10 minutes. that's why i care about this.
> i'm not this way under normal circumstances. this is what
> math does to me. i'm going now...
>
> :)
>
> jendy (who doesn't really want to eat at y'all's houses, unless, of
>        course, you insist)
>
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hey, i'm looking for anyone headed to the lilith fair in pa burgestown or
scranton from nyc/nj area.  those are the only 2 shows in the area that
igs are doing and i'd love to be able to go.  anyway, so if any of you
are going and have room in your car, or are taking a bus, train etc..
please let me know.  thanks,

        slavi

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this will be the last announcement until i post the first list on the 18th
! ! !

the cut-off date for the sign-up is the 18th, at exactly 12 noon pacific
standard time. i will be posting the list at exactly 3pm, and then once
again at 7pm. if you want to participate and have not signed-up, please do
so now. i will be accepting no late entires what-so-ever. also according to
the rules, if you did not take part in stage one, you cannot participate in
stages two through five, or the final round. you may however, drop out of
the game at any time. please send private e-mail to me if you wish to join
the fun. those already signed up are as follows:

gwen
abby
m.anderson
tigger
llana
tricia
rosebudd36@aol.com
jendy
robin
garian

thank you,
stoka
the game master!

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java olympia solis wrote:

> hey,
> i'm trying to set up a trip to indiana to work with suzanne and anyone
> else on that ig covers cd.  is anyone else out there going?  i'll probably
> leave the first week of august (from or), so if anyone wants to carpool/
> or needs a ride, let me know.  i think interest has sort of slacked off,
> but it would be very cool...so, you all should email suzanne and tell
> her how very excited you are to be going out there...yes, do it now.  ok,
> hope this all works out...
> java

suzanne already knows that i should be able to attend the festivities and
help play/record some music, but for me it is not much of an
inconvenience because i only live about an hour away from her.  if it
there is enough interest from others to make it happen, i will be there.

--nick
  bloomington, indiana

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 22:27:39 -0400
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subject:      igc if you will help me

a friend of mine is desperate for any kind of bjork bootlegs and i told her i
would help her out.  i have plenty of ig, ani, dar, and other boots to trade.
if anyone has any bjork boots, or knows where i can get some, please write
me.  thank you.

erica

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 22:29:02 -0400
reply-to:     lorie driscoll <loried@one.net>
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from:         lorie driscoll <loried@one.net>
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>>> what is the correct pronunciation of daemon?
>>>
>>> is it    daymon   or   deemon (as in demon)  or  demon (as in
demonstration)?
>>>
>>
>>>deemon, 'cause it's an archaic spelling of "demon".
>>>kirsten
>>
>>i'm sure it's pronounced daymon.  i heard amy and emily say it on
>>different boots!
>
>i typically dislike "me too" posts, but this seems like one of those things
>that warrant one. so, i want to second claudine's comment. i too have heard
>it pronounce by amy as "daymon".

if anybody has saved the info regarding thomas hardy and "daemon", would you
please post it?  i liked that connection way better than demons...

:) ld

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 22:43:05 -0400
reply-to:     lorie driscoll <loried@one.net>
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from:         lorie driscoll <loried@one.net>
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>jennifer--who has removed her "i'ts alright" to be gay signature after
>embarrasing myself with an e-mail or two to my brother and landlord!!!  :-0
>oooops!

it's still alright

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reply-to:     deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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from:         deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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alison wrote:
>amy calls her label daymon.
>
>but the word daemon is supposed to be pronounced deemon.  printer
>daemons, mailer daemons - they're all called "demons".  the dictionary
>lists the pronunciation as "demon".   and like kirsten said,  it's the
>same word as modern-day "demon", in the older spelling.  and the reason
>people stopped spelling it "daemon" and started spelling it "demon" was
>because they were pronouncing it "deemon".    once the spellings
>separated, the meanings started to separate too, although they're closely
>related.
>
>so what i want to know is whether amy just didn't spend enough time in the
>unix lab in college, or whether there's a reason she calls it daymon.

i don't know for sure if this is the reason she calls it daemon, but it
works for me so i'll share the gist of an email i posted to the list over a
year ago when this topic was brought up then :)

goethe (johann wolfgang von goethe, 1749-1832, for those keeping score)
wrote that the basic elements necessary for human existance are:

love, hope, chance, necessity and da, da, da, daaaaaa....daemon.

i'll leave you all the assignment of figuring out what love, hope, chance
and necessity mean, but here's what was written about daemon:

       daemon is that innate creativity that is essentially our own, that which
       cannot be altered by the hands of any other human. it is an inbred force
       that is ours to do with what we want, how we want, and to what extent
       we want it.

i recall writing all of that down a few years ago after a discussion that
occured with someone, somewhere about the record company. i'm foggy with
the details of the conversation, but i remember that as being the meaning
she had in mind.

deb

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 23:06:13 -0400
reply-to:     drblackcat@aol.com
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from:         diane m rollie <drblackcat@aol.com>
subject:      amy's response

whoever posted amy's response to the atlanta magazine article, could you
either post it again or e-mail me privately.  i accidentally deleted it
before finishing it.
thanks!

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reply-to:     anne haines <ahaines@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
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alison <alisont@netcom.com> said:

> amy calls her label daymon.
>
> but the word daemon is supposed to be pronounced deemon.

<'splanation snipped>

> so what i want to know is whether amy just didn't spend enough time in the
> unix lab in college, or whether there's a reason she calls it daymon.

maybe she was busy thinking about visiting spokane someday. :)

-anne, who thinks that maybe amy just likes long a sounds for some reason
(and who also mispronounces things all the time due to having gained
  most of her vocabulary via reading, not hearing or saying words)

"we need new words/ for what this is, this hunger entering our/ loneliness
  like birds, stunning our eyes into rays/ of hope. we need the flutter that
  can save/ us, something that will swirl across the face/ of what we have
          become and bring us grace."  --lucille clifton, "blake"
*** anne haines ** ahaines@indiana.edu ** http://php.indiana.edu/~ahaines ***

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 22:44:28 -0500
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from:         jessica <jprenzel@evansville.net>
organization: georgy girl
subject:      lilith fair
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hey,

is anyone going to the lilith fair in indianapolis, indiana on august
8th? i plan on going and would like to meet you. please let me know if
you are. i'm very excited about this.

peace,
jessica
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reply-to:     java olympia solis <jsolis@oregon.uoregon.edu>
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from:         java olympia solis <jsolis@oregon.uoregon.edu>
subject:      champoeg tree
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hey,
the champoeg boot tree is going to happen...soon.  so, if i haven't
emailed you personaly, or if you haven't sent your blanks off yet, i'm
hoping you won't mind waiting until it's all set up.  some people have
offered to be branches (thanks!), but we need a few more.  i'll post the
list of branches as soon as it's organized.  thanks for being so patient
with me and my first boot/tree.
java

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i'm trying to find out if rdr is already closed or will be soon.  anyone
know????
thanks

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reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      updates to the faqs
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hi everyone,

just to let you all know that i will be posting the latest
version (v1.6) of the indigo girls mailing list faq to the
list in a few minutes.  this version contains a revised
set of posting guidelines, among other things, and should
replace any previous versions of the mailing list faq that
you may have saved.

the indigo girls faq has also been updated, the most notable
change being the addition of a section called "movie related
questions", which contains information on "philadelphia" and
"boys on the side" (including a list of where and when you
can see amy and emily throughout the movie).

just a reminder, the latest versions of both the indigo girls
faq and the indigo girls mailing list faq can always be found
at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig, or via anonymous ftp at
space.mit.edu/pub/cmb/ig.  if you can't retrieve them by
either of the above methods, you can also get from me by email
at sherlyn@fl.net.au.

coming soon: the indigo girls fan survey, version iv!  stay
tuned...

happy happy folks (and just a reminder that dar williams',
michelle malone's and sarah mclachlan's new albums are all
available in the us *right*now*),
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"we're born to shimmer, we're born to shine,
  we're born to radiate.
  we're born to live, we're born to love,
  we're born to never hate..."     - shawn mullins

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from:         kluce@best.com
subject:      ig photos
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just delurking for a moment for the following...
i've tossed up some ig photos from the following:
  *  7/2 signing at tower records in la
  *  7/5 berkeley show
     [gives new meaning to the phrase "shooting from the hip]
  *  7/6 berkeley show, aka the "wendell show"
  *  michelle malone opening for melissa ferrick at the great
     american music hall in sf on 7/7

returning back to lurk mode...

--kim

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welcome to the indigo girls mailing list!

please read and save this message which contains the indigo girls
mailing list faq.  we also recommend that you download the indigo
girls faq (see below for instructions) which contains information on
anything and everything about the indigo girls.

the list is a strange and wonderful place.  we do have a few words of
advice for new members:
    - it's often a good idea to wait a few days to get a "feel" for
        the list before posting for the first time.  this will also
        give you a chance to get up to date with the current topics
        of discussion.
    - read the posting guidelines and the faq files which have been
        set up to help you find your feet more quickly.
    - remember that some of the people on the list have been here for
        years and that discussions that seem new to you may have been
        hashed out many times before.  experience in reading the list
        and posting on certain issues will help you determine these
        sorts of things more easily.
    - most importantly - have fun!


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indigo girls mailing list: frequently asked questions
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version 1.6
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last modified: 16 july 1997.

copyright 1997 jcsdoubled.  all rights reserved.

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table of contents
=================
1. what's new in this faq
2. questions about the indigo girls mailing list
3. questions about listserv commands
4. the posting guidelines
5. questions about indigo girls
6. miscellaneous questions
7. acknowledgements


1. what's new in this faq
=========================

july 16, 1997 - updated section 5 to include more up-to-date
    information regarding the new album and upcoming tours
july 6, 1997 - updated information regarding the list owners, added
    two new posting guidelines


2. questions about the indigo girls mailing list
================================================

2.1. what is the indigo girls mailing list?

the indigo girls mailing list is a fan forum devoted to discussion of
the music of the indigo girls and related artists.  all are welcome,
and we strive to maintain a friendly, flame-free atmosphere.
currently the list membership stands at roughly 1000 members from all
walks of life and from all around the world.

the list is maintained by jude shabry and sherlyn koo.  if you have
any administrative problems or queries about the list, contact jude
and sherlyn at indigo-girls-request@netspace.org.


2.2. do amy and emily know about the list, and how do they feel about
        it?

amy and emily do know about the mailing list; indications are that
they have mixed feelings about it.  when asked in a 1994 interview
how she felt about the list amy said, "well, there are positive parts
about that.  a lot of that internet stuff has helped a lot of
musicians that i know as far as publishing tour schedules.  the only
negative ramification i see is when people start talking about your
personal life... i appreciate the support it gives us, but... well,
it is not necessary to try and guess where somebody lives.  or guess
where you saw somebody the other night... but the support of the
music itself, i think that is a brilliant idea.  to support musicians
through the whole computer system i think is great."


2.3. what is the difference between the "bounce" and "digest" forms
        of the list?

"digest" means the list server will compile all messages sent to the
list and send them to you as one long message, either every 24 hours
or when a certain size quota is reached, whichever happens first.
"bounce" means that messages will be individually "bounced" out to
you as soon as the list server receives them.  see below for
instructions on how to switch between the bounce or digest versions
of the list.


3. questions about listserv commands
====================================

3.1. how do i get on the list?

send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put (replacing "<your name>" with your
real name):
    subscribe indigo-girls <your name>


3.2. how do i post to the list?

direct your email to:
    indigo-girls@netspace.org

the list server will then send a copy of your message to every person
who is an active member of the mailing list.  before you send your
message, think about whether it conforms to the posting guidelines
outlined elsewhere in this document.


3.3. how do i get off the list?

send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    signoff indigo-girls


3.4. how do i switch from bounce to digest, or vice versa?

to switch from the bounce form of the list to the digest version,
send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    set indigo-girls mail digest

to switch from the digest form of the list to the bounce version,
send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    set indigo-girls mail nodigest


3.5. i'm going on vacation, can i put my subscription "on hold"?

to temporarily stop receiving messages from the list while still
subscribed, send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    set indigo-girls nomail

note that if you're going away for a long time or leaving permanently
you should unsubscribe using the "signoff" command.


3.6. i'm back from vacation, how do i make my subscription active
        again?

to turn off the "nomail" option, send an email message with no
subject line to:
        listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
        set indigo-girls mail


3.7. how do i find out who is on the list?

to receive a list of all current non-concealed list members, send an
email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    review indigo-girls


3.8. my listserv command didn't work, now what do i do?

note that the "signoff" and "set" commands will not work unless you
are sending your message from exactly the same address under which
you are subscribed to the list.  if you sent a command to the list
server and the server returned an error message reading "you are not
subscribed to the list", try sending the message again from the same
machine from which you originally subscribed.  ask your system
administrator or your provider's support department if in doubt.

if you sent a command to the list server and the server returned a
message that reads "unknown command", read the help file available
from the server to find out the correct command syntax.  to receive
the help file, send an email message with no subject line to:
    listserv@netspace.org
in the body of your message put:
    help

if you have read the help file, re-tried the command, and still
received an error message, contact the list owners, jude shabry and
sherlyn koo, at indigo-girls-request@netspace.org.  let jude and
sherlyn know what problems you are having and they will help you out.


4. the posting guidelines
=========================

4.1. why do we need posting guidelines at all?

the posting guidelines are intended to help keep the list "on track".
always remember that the purpose of the list is to provide a forum
in which fans can discuss the music of the indigo girls.  many people
on the list have neither the time nor inclination to read non-indigo
girls-related messages.  please be considerate and keep the posting
guidelines in mind when posting to the list.


4.2. what are the posting guidelines?

the guidelines for posting on the indigo girls mailing list are as
follows:

1) read the indigo girls faq before posting questions to the list.
see below for instructions on obtaining the faq.

2) check your message headers
mail intended for the whole list should be addressed to
"indigo-girls@netspace.org".  private responses to public messages
should be sent directly to the person to whom you wish to reply.

make sure that the subject line is relevant to the content of your
message.  adding "nigc" to the subject if your message is not indigo
girls related is also a good idea (more about this below).

3) delete all irrelevant text from quoted replies
delete any irrelevant sections of any quoted material before sending
your message to the list.  this includes other peoples' signatures,
any text that does not pertain to the topic, and any message headers.

4) read through all your mail before you reply
read through all your mail before you jump in with a reply to a
question that's been asked, in case the answer has already been
posted.  also, if you want to reply to several different messages it
is often a good idea to consolidate your replies into one long
message rather than sending several short messages.

5) use private email where appropriate
remember that the purpose of the list is to discuss the music of the
indigo girls, so if your message is private or is not indigo girls
related, it may not always be appropriate to send it to the entire
list.

this does not mean that off-topic discussion is not welcome on the
list.  on the contrary, sometimes off-topic subjects are interesting
and even relevant (for example, discussing a local band or looking
for bootlegs of certain shows).  however, please try to limit
discussion to subjects that have at least some relevance to the music
of the indigo girls.

6) mark non-indigo girls-related messages "nigc"
if you are sending a message to the list that is not directly indigo
girls related, you should mark the header "nigc", eg. "looking for ed
smith (nigc)".  this indicates that your message has no indigo girls
content.  again, try to limit the discussion to subjects that have at
least some relevance to the music of indigo girls.  for example, nigc
does not mean "well, there's no ig discussion, so let's talk about
movies/hair styles/candy bars!"

7) do not post gossip about amy and emily
we respect amy and emily and their right to privacy.  therefore,
please do not post any sort of gossip about their private lives to
the list.  note that this includes reports of "sightings", such as,
"i saw amy at the supermarket last night!"

8) keep your signature short
keep your signature short (anything up to four or six lines is
considered short), or, if it's long and you don't want to change it,
turn it off when posting to the list.  this conserves bandwidth.

9) think before you flame, and if you must flame, use private email
if you must flame, do so via private email.  if you send a flame to
the entire list you run the risk of being flamed by many other people
in retaliation.  remember too that if you send a flame, it reflects
not only on the person that you are flaming, but also on yourself.

10) do not forward private email to the list
a long-standing rule of internet etiquette is that private emails
should not be forwarded to public forums without the author's
explicit permission.  this means that if someone sends you a private
message that you wish to share with the list you should ask the
author first.  note that this also includes flame emails, which
should be dealt with privately rather than forwarded to the list.

11) avoid "me too!" posts
messages which are nothing more than an entire quoted message
followed by "me too!" waste bandwidth and contribute nothing to the
development of a conversation.  if you feel that you must send this
sort of post, you should either send it via private email or else
make sure that your message has other content as well.

12) do not send email attachments to the list
do not send messages which contain any kind of email attachment to
the list.  many people do not have the facilities to view such files,
and attachments which contain executable computer code are also one
of the most common ways to transmit computer viruses over the
internet.  if you have a file or a picture that you would like to
share with the list you should find a www site to host it, rather
than sending a large attachment to the list.  you can then let the
list know the url of the file or picture and listmembers can retrieve
it at their leisure.  this also serves to conserve bandwidth.

13) avoid hoax emails, cross-posts, chain letters, etc
there are a few hoax emails that are constantly being forwarded
around the internet.  obviously, if you are sent one of these, do not
forward it to the mailing list.  some of the most common hoaxes are:
    - warnings about viruses called "pkzip.300", "penpal greetings"
        and "good times"
    - a request for "get well" cards for a young boy with leukemia
    - a message purportedly containing a recipe from mrs field's
        cookies
    - various "get rich quick" and "make money fast" schemes

also, please refrain from forwarding cross-posts (messages which are
sent to many unrelated forums at once), chain letters, humor stories
or large files to the list.  if you would like to share this sort of
message with the list, first post a short note describing the content
of the message and offering to forward it to anyone who is
interested.  if enough people express interest you may want to then
forward the message to the list.  however, please do not
indiscriminately forward these sorts of files to the list.

14) how to deal with spam
"spam" is the common term for junk emails (usually advertising)
which are sent to large sections of the internet at a time.  these
posts are annoying but unfortunately hard to avoid.  if you receive
a spam email from the list, you should either ignore it or send your
reply directly to the original poster.  do not post complaints or
flames to the list.  while it is almost guaranteed that everyone on
the list is as annoyed as you are, the resultant spate of flame
emails is often more annoying than the original spam itself.

15) how to conduct surveys over the list
if you want to conduct any kind of survey over the list, you should
present your idea to the list and ask people to send their responses
to you via private email.  you can then compile the data and post
the results to the list at a later date.  this keeps the volume of
email on the list down.

16) what to do if you think the list is dead
the list server dies from time to time and is always restarted as
soon as the problem is discovered.  if you're not sure whether the
server is still running you should refrain from posting until you
receive proof that the server is up.  sending "is the list running?"
messages is pointless if the list is not running and a waste of
bandwidth if it is.  if you want to confirm whether or not other
people have been receiving list mail, privately mail someone from the
list and ask them instead.

if you haven't been receiving list mail, another possibility is that
you have been dropped from the subscription list (this also happens
from time to time).  use the "review" command to see who is
subscribed to the list (see above for instructions on using this
command).  if your name is not on the subscription list you will
need to resubscribe to the mailing list.


5. questions about indigo girls
===============================

5.1. is there a faq file about the indigo girls?  how do i get it?

the indigo girls faq has been made as comprehensive as possible;
many questions have been answered there that have not been addressed
in this document.  it is highly recommended that anyone with
questions about amy, emily or their music read the faq.

the faq is available:
    - on the www at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
    - via anonymous ftp from space.mit.edu, in directory pub/cmb/ig

if you cannot retrieve the faq by either of the above methods, it is
also available by email from sherlyn koo (sherlyn@fl.net.au).


5.2. what are indigo girls currently up to?

[july 16, 1997]
the new album "shaming of the sun" was released on april 29 and
debuted at #7 on the billboard album chart, selling 78,000 units via
soundscan in its first week of release.  the first single, amy's
"shame on you", was commercially released in australia in early july
but is not yet available in the us.  the video for "shame on you"
has already been aired on television in several countries.

the first leg of the "shaming of the sun" support tour ended in
mid-july 1997 with two shows at red rocks ampitheater in colorado.
the band for that tour consisted of jerry marotta, sara lee and josh
segal of the austin band the borrowers.  in late july and august,
indigo girls will join sarah mclachlan's lilith fair tour for shows
in the us and canada.  following the lilith fair shows, there will be
additional canadian concert dates and an east coast honor the earth
benefit tour.  it is also rumored that indigo girls will tour
australasia in early 1998.

for upcoming concert dates, check the shaming of the sun tour
archive (http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html), the epic
indigo girls site (http://www.indigogirls.com) or pollstar concert
listings (http://www.pollstar.com).  further information on lilith
fair can be found at http://www.lilithfair.com.  concert dates will
also be posted to the indigo girls mailing list on a regular basis.


6. miscellaneous questions
==========================

6.1. what are all these acronyms?

some song titles, album titles, and phrases crop up so many times in
conversation that they are often abbreviated or turned into acronyms.

some of the more common acronyms include: igc (indigo girls content),
nigc (no indigo girls content), a&e (amy and emily), sf ("strange
fire"), nis ("nomads*indians*saints"), rop ("rites of passage"), so
("swamp ophelia"), sots ("shaming of the sun"), latul ("live at the
uptown lounge"), ws ("watershed"), ctf ("closer to fine"), tmf
("touch me fall"), jcs ("jesus christ superstar"), soc (stream of
consciousness), rdr (rainy day records), and hte (honor the earth).

other acronyms which are commonly used on the internet include: irc
(internet relay chat), btw (by the way), imho (in my humble
opinion), fwiw (for what it's worth), lol (laughing out loud), otoh
(on the other hand), and rotfl (rolling on the floor laughing).

there are, of course, many more.  if you are having trouble figuring
out what an acronym stands for, remember that it will usually be a
song title or a reference to some subject that has been under
discussion on the list recently.


6.2. is there any sort of list merchandise available?  can i organize
    to have some made?

every so often someone will arrange to have a batch of t-shirts,
bumper stickers, buttons etc made and sold on the list at cost.
these items are limited editions and only available under the terms
laid down by their creators (timeframe, cost etc).  currently the
"official indigo girls mailing list t-shirts" are being offered
roughly once a year.  if there are no list merchandise projects
underway when you join the list, be patient.  these projects are
often under development, so watch for announcements on the list.

if you want to organize one of these projects yourself there are
certain legalities to be aware of.  in particular, remember that the
name "indigo girls" is a registered trademark and that most pictures
of amy or emily (including album covers) and all lyrics are under
copyright.  before you go ahead with the production of any list
merchandise make absolutely certain that you are not violating any
copyrights.  you should also check that the list is in favor of your
project (see below).


6.3. i want to organize a project on behalf of the list.  can i use
   the list name in relation to my project?

before organizing any sort of list merchandise or community project
on behalf of the list you should first check that the list is in
favor of your project.   if you gain list approval you will be
obliged to keep the list up to date with the progress of your
project.  if there is widespread objection to your proposal you
should not use the list address (indigo-girls@netspace.org) in any
way relating to your project, either in its physical design or when
contacting indigo girls' management regarding the project.  if there
is dispute the matter should be referred to the list owners.  the
list owners also reserve the right to veto your use of the list name
at any time.  it should also be noted that the best way to contact
russell carter artist management is by writing them a letter, rather
than calling on the phone.


6.4. what are boots?  how can i get some?

a "boot", which is short for bootleg, is an unauthorized concert
recording.  boots come in two varieties - "professionally" created
bootlegs, usually released as cds which have been pressed in europe
under loopholes in copyright laws, and "homemade" tapes made by fans
who take tape recorders into concerts or obtain copies of soundboard
recordings of the show.  almost all bootlegs are created by the
second method.

the best way to get bootleg tapes is to arrange a tape trade with
someone from the list.  if you don't know anyone who has any boots
and you're interested in trading, the best thing to do is to send a
short message to the list asking if anybody is interested in trading
with you.  see below for the list policy regarding bootleg trading.


6.5. are boots illegal?

most venues ban recording equipment, both audio and video, and may
confiscate your tape recorder if they find it.  however, whether
bootlegging is actually illegal depends more on where you are and on
what you do with the product.  one thing is for certain - it is
always illegal to make a profit from one of these recordings!


6.6. what is the list policy regarding boots?

members of the list have asked amy and emily about the bootleg issue
and they have taken the "grateful dead" stance.  that is, they have
no problem with fans taping shows (depending, of course, upon the
venue policy), but you are on your honor not to sell the recordings.
trading is fine, and the list's policy reflects amy's and emily's
wishes.  boots are free to be traded for either another boot, a blank
tape, goods to the equivalent value, or the cost of the tape and
postage.  people selling homemade boots are not welcome on the list.
it is recommended that you don't do any business with someone
offering to sell you a boot because someone else will certainly trade
with you.  and in order to help out those new to trading, boot
traders are encouraged to take a blank tape in return for a recording
if the tradee has nothing to offer.


6.7. what are the "must have" boots?

there are a few early bootlegs which are recommended for anyone who
is thinking of starting a bootleg collection.  these include:
    - "tuesday's children" (1981), an early "studio" tape recorded in
        amy's basement
    - "color me grey" (1982/1985), amy's solo tape, initially
        recorded in 1982, a more widely circulated version released
        in 1985
    - "blue food" (1985), an early independent release
    - "live at the purple parrot" (1986), a much-circulated audience
        recording


6.8. what is a tape tree, and how do they work?

sometimes an exceptional boot or compilation tape will be of very
high interest to the list at large.  in order to make life easier for
the owner of the tape and to ensure that everyone who wants the tape
will receive a fairly early generation copy, the tape owner (the
trunk) will make copies for a few people (the branches), who in turn
make copies for everyone else (the leaves).  the trunk keeps the
master tape, the branches receive a 2nd generation copy, and each
leaf receives a 3rd generation copy.  this is called a tape tree.

typically trees will be announced on the list along with a list of
the names of the branches.  branches are usually divided either by
region, last name, zodiac sign, or some combination of the three.
when a tree is announced, it is good form to contact the person who
is handling your branch as soon as possible; they will let you know
what further action you need to take to obtain a copy of the boot.


7. acknowledgements
===================

this faq was created through the collaborative efforts of the
creative group known as jcsdoubled - jen lucero, christopher becker,
sherlyn koo, deb reiser and dwayne jarrell.  we rock!

comments, suggestions etc should be mailed to jcsdoubled at
igfaq@palin.mit.edu.

thank you also to the fearless founder of the current list, jude
shabry (jude@netspace.org), to carolyn spidle for the lifeblood site,
and to all the list owners and members past and present.

and of course the biggest thanks of all go to our inspirations, amy
ray and emily saliers.

                                                          a + e = ig

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date:         wed, 16 jul 1997 02:28:33 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      daymon, danielle howle

to further add to the me too posts...

amy hosted a daemon records showcase here in nashville back in february
and repeatedly talked about daymon records.  while we're on the subject
of daymon records...i saw danielle howle and the tantrums play at a little
club here in town last saturday night.  they absolutely rocked.  danielle
is such a nice, friendly, warm-fuzzy person, and actually invited the
small but supportive crowd to come up and talk to her afterwards.  so,
i had her sign my cd. ;o  amyray, she said her new cd will be out in
october on "amy's label" (sorry...didn't get to hear her pronunciation)<g>
so, all you danielle fans, be looking for that.  those of you who haven't
yet discovered her...buy her music - she's fantastic!!!

peace,

joan :-d

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date:         tue, 15 jul 1997 23:41:43 +0000
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from:         seona <sb2@axe.humboldt.edu>
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subject:      re: daymon, danielle howle
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you , know i was listening to some song, and it reminded me of danielle
howle, and i longed to hear her song again, that leaves in the wind one,
that she performed on the ppv.  pretty much, that's my only exposure to
her, and i am absolutely charmed by her performance. =)

thanks joan for sharing.
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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hi.  this for any future ig concert goers.  at the jacksonville, oregon
concert, the ig memoribilia (sp?) was very limited.  they had three
types of t-shirts, none that interested me, and a hat for $25!  there
were no stickers or posters or pins.

if you're going to the next concert and wouldn't mind picking up a
couple of posters (if they have any there--rolled), and a three stickers
(if have more than one design than two of each), i'll definitely
reimburse you and pay for postage and stuff, even throw in a couple of
boots!  please?

thanks to any person's help.

seona
sb22axe.humboldt.edu

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as usual i'm waaaay behind in email... of course, part of the problem is
that i must work for a living <sigh>, but mostly i've been using all my
free time lately to attend live music (eg. indigo girls, michelle malone,
melissa ferrick, lilith fair, karen almquist, catie curtis...)

also, i know i owe some of you mail re: melissa ferrick's cd sampler...
i have not forgotten, just been waaaay too busy attending live shows.

    ----

as described here by others, i found both berkeley shows to be wonderful
and both shows exceeded my expectations!

my indigo weekend started friday afternoon as the first of about a dozen
friends appeared at my san jose apartment for a pre-show party.  some had
driven up from la to join us for the long july 4th weekend, but most were
bay area friends i've met on several music mailing-lists (indigo, difranco,
etheridge, catie curtis).

after a brief friday night slumber, four of us drove to the berkeley
campus, arriving shortly after 2pm to find parking just 100 yards away
from where amy and emily's tour bus was parked... good thing one of my
guests is a berkeley grad, as she knew some secret campus parking spots.

we spent the afternoon searching several berkeley used-record shops for
rare music, then had a relaxing dinner at jupiter cafe before we walked
back to the greek theater... for those unfamiliar with this venue, it is
an attempt to replicate a real greek theater as found in ancient greece
(the local joke is that even the restrooms are an attempt to recreate
the ancient greek facilities), and from a distance it appears to have
been carved out of one of many steep hillsides located on this campus.

reserved seating consists of fold-up metal chairs, either on the large
flat area immediately in front of the stage, or on raised stone 'steps'
arranged in semi-circular fashion around the stage... behind the reserved
seats are over a dozen stone 'ledges' which serve as the primary seating
for general admission... therefore, bringing something soft to sit upon
is considered mandatory for those with ga tickets.

in spite of its primitive amenities, the greek is considered by most to
be one of the premier venues in the bay area, partially because of its
small size (for an outdoor venue) and partially because of its acoustics.

we arrived at the greek nearly two hours before gates opened so we could
find the best possible location for our ga tickets... i intended to tape
both shows and knew that some of the reserved seating would be too close
to the speakers to permit good boots... when i was not able to get center
section reserved seats i decided ga seats would offer the best opportunity
for good taping, but only days before the show two ig-listers offered me
one of their extra reserved seats in the center sections... what luck!

now all i needed was some luck getting my recorder into the venue.

chris <guinione@aol.com> asked about boots of west coast shows:

  >date:      sun, 6 jul 1997 10:11:01 -0400
  >subject:   west coast shows !
  >
  >has anyone out there been booting any of these ????
  >
  >there seems to be a lack of boots from the west coast !!! c'mon people -
  >sneak those tape decks in !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  >
  >some of these shows have had really great setlist and commentary from the
  >reviews i've read here on the list !!!!!!!!!!

karen johanns <kjohanns@aol.com> replied:

  >date:        sun, 6 jul 1997 11:48:50 -0400
  >subject: re: west coast shows !
  >
  >if only i could have, but the bill graham org and greek theatre staff at
  >berkeley are notorious for the thoroughness of their searches, so i didn't
  >try. perhaps some brave soul took the chance.

for those not familiar with bill graham and his 'control' issues, he's the
person you see being interviewed in the beginning of the woodstock movie,
describing how fire ant hordes are controlled by south american farmers by
using walls of fire as control points, suggesting similar (but less severe)
control points be used at woodstock to prevent hordes of fans from forcing
their way into the woodstock event... he's also famous for his backstage
fistfight with a member of led zeppelin many years ago... he's no longer
with us, but his organization has a well-deserved reputation for providing
strict security... when the venue or the artist _requests_ it.

and as karen suggests, i have learned to expect a complete pat-down at
most shows where bgp provides security, but i have always found the bgp
security to be very polite when they confiscate my recorder... they don't
damage anything and provide a receipt for everything they confiscate, so
i decided to risk it, taking my recorder to the show... standing in line
i saw the sign at the entrance saying "no bottles, cans, recorders, etc..",
and i could see that security was tight that night (they were searching
mostly for liquor at this 'dry' venue)... they *did* find my recorder,
but i was told "it's ok tonight, they're allowing recorders".....  wow!

    ----

saturday night's show was uplifting... amy and emily were in very high
spirits after having a full day off from their heavy touring schedule,
though amy said they 'needed to bond as a band' after their second song
(three hits), saying 'we screwed that song'... maybe so, but i did not
notice any problems... for the rest of the night they remained in high
spirits in spite of a few minor technical problems which they shrugged
off with good humor... the greek theater setting was truly magical that
night... perfectly clear moonless star-filled sky, perfect shirt-sleeve
weather, no biting insects (ahhh, the pleasures of bay area living <g>).

as they've been doing throughout this tour, the setlist was changed a bit
from prior shows... there was nothing extravagantly different from other
recent shows, though even the memory of hearing them perform ghost in the
greek theater that night still gives me goosebumps... and as the evening
progressed, it seemed the rest of the world was listening to this show...
even the small single-engine airplane which flew directly overhead during
the show chose the interlude *between* songs to add it's drone to the show,
almost as though the pilot did not want to interfere with a song.

i turned around during the ctf encore, looking at all 8000 happy faces
singing together... and i remembered the final scene in lily tomlin's
"search for intelligent life in the universe" where she explains the
"goosebump experience" to the visiting aliens... i left the show that
night feeling better than i've felt in a long time.

it's a good thing i taped the show else i'd never remember the set-list:

    mystery/ three hits/ it's alright/ scooter boys/ get out the map/
    tried to be true/ don't give that girl a gun/ least complicated/
    shame on you/ ghost/ reunion/ leeds/ redemption song/ shed your skin
    <with billy tipton msq>/ caramia/ hey kind friend/ chickenman/ galileo
    encore: everything in its own time/ closer to fine

sunday's show was more interesting musically, and it's likely michelle
malone's appearance was a strong contributing factor, as many of the
more interesting songs had her playing with the band... everyone seemed
more adventurous than the night before... several spontaneous musical
experiments seemed to fill the afternoon, with amy and emily appearing
especially playful, in spite of the awful heat... their reggae interlude
was not expected (sara lee was surprised, too... she raced back on stage
to check the setlist, which gave emily a good giggle)... their promise to
do a full reggae set someday received a huge cheer!

the afternoon heat was a problem for everyone (i checked with the rock
medicine office after the show, and they told me they had over a dozen
serious heat-injuries... i consumed nearly four quarts of water during
the afternoon show).

once again, i have to depend on my boot of the show for a setlist:

    tangled up in blue (w/ michelle malone)/ i don't wanna know (w/ mm)/
    get out the map/ shed your skin/ everything in its own time/ land of
    canaan/ it's alright/ don't give that girl a gun/ least complicated/
    shame on you/ crazy game/ leeds/ redemption song/ scooter boys <with
    a surprising segue to> cortez the killer (w/ mm)/ thin line/ caramia/
    cut it out/ galileo

    encore: wild horses (w/ mm)/ chickenman/
            closer to fine (w/ michelle, kris mackay, and wendell lee)
                                                          ^^^^^^^^^^^
of course, this is the show where bay area ig-lister wendell lee got
invited up to the stage to play ctf with the band... you can clearly
hear his name being said. :)

i saw about a dozen bay area ig-listers both days and had the pleasure
of joining most of them monday night at a small venue (capacity 450) to
hear michelle malone and melissa ferrick... what a fantastic double bill!

    ----

for those of you living in the bay area, melissa ferrick is playing a
*free* show july 20 at different light bookstore (castro at 18th st),
from 3pm to 6pm... followed by another show that night at noe valley
ministry (1021 sanchez... near 24th st), where she opens for kristen
hersh (former lead vocalist for throwing muses)... you can purchase
tickets ($15) at streetlight records or aquarius records (on 24th)
and avoid the bass service charge.

    ----

for those interested in obtaining copies of my berkeley boots, please
see my next post for details... subject line will be  berkeley boots.

john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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although i originally had general admission seats for both shows, i was
lucky to obtain very good reserved seats at the last minute thanks to
some ig-listers who had an one extra ticket each day... this allowed me
to make some very good boots.

    ----

saturday night i booted from the main floor, a few rows behind the noisy
mosh area formed when people spontaneously rushed the stage... there is
very little talking/shouting/screaming on my tape... the only screamers
near me screamed *between* the songs, not during the songs... there was
a young women next to me who sang during most of the 'sing-alongs' but
she sings in key (what a relief!).  i do not find her singing intrusive.

    ----

sunday i booted from what most consider the best reserved seats... i sat
in one of the special 'thrones' located at the rear of reserved seating,
immediately in front of the sound board, exactly level with the stage and
speakers... most consider this to be the best location for booting.

the ig-lister sitting next to me knew i was booting and made a point of
singing too softly for my microphones to record... and he *never* talked
during the entire show (thanks derek!).

the *only* technical problem i encountered on sunday was the occasional
faint sound of a breeze fluttering against the microphones during quiet
passages, as i had forgotten to take my wind screens with me... i do not
find this sound distracting... you may discover you can barely notice it.

    ----

both tapes have all songs intact, no songs are missing, no songs are cut
off... i was careful to make all tape changes *between* songs... instead
of abrupt starts/stops, i used fade-ins/fade-outs for all edits.

saturday is 110 minutes (usually found in high-bias formulations only).

sunday   is 120 minutes (usually found in low-bias formulations only).

if you are uncomfortable with 120-minute tapes (because they are found
only in low-bias formulations), be aware that my equipment compensates
somewhat for this... i can calibrate my recorder to optimal adjustments
for any tape type, and low-bias tapes produced on my gear sounds better
than you might expect.

on the other hand, if you are uncomfortable with 120-minute tapes because
they are thin and break easily, i agree that most *car* tape players are
too rough for 120-minute tapes (though i've never had a problem with my
*home* tape players)... i can copy this long program onto *two* 60-minute
tapes if you prefer... i have checked and the program material fits quite
well on 60-min tapes.

    ----


if you're interested, i can make copies for blanks or trades... i may be
willing to trade for other than ig-boots if you have other interesting
artists to trade, though i'm looking mostly for ig-boots.

if you're interested, please tell me:

    1.  which tape(s) you want

    2.  if asking for the sunday show, tell me tape length...

        *one* 120-minute tape
       - or -
        *two*  60-minute tapes

    3.  whether you wish to supply blanks, or trades

if you reply to this post, please reply *privately*, not to the list.

please use the subject i already placed in this post (berkeley boots),
since i have configured my mail filters to collect all "berkeley boots"
messages in a special folder to assure i don't overlook any requests.

if there is sufficient interest, i will tree these tapes, so if you're
willing to be a branch, please indicate such in your message.  thanks!

john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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subject:      austin city limits - next season?
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hi,

it looks like acl starts its season at the start of every year. the
broadcast schedule seems to be planned until the end of the year with no
mention of ig.

the url is http://www.klru.org/acl/information/repeats.html.

it also mentions: "the dates provided herein are the national satellite
distribution
schedule for austin city limits. many pbs stations air austin city
limits according to this schedule."

hmmmmm ...
leticia
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just happened to put my finger on this...........its from an
interview you can find at my site at:
http://www.lisp.com.au/~pdodd/amyray.htm


amy ray was thinking of a name for her new record label
about seven years
          ago when whe remembered a character in a book
she'd read: a daemon. the
          lizard-like creature, defined in the dictionary as
a genius, zealous and skillful
          spirit, had a similar meaning in the book. "it was
a symbol of art and
          commerce," said ray, who has been one-half of the
indigo girls for 17 years.
          "it represented the talent you have within
yourself, that's given by the gods."
          so it's no surprise that the socially-conscious
ray chose the name to represent
          her unique company, which is run like a co-op and
is designed to teach the
          artists involved about the music industry.

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leticia perez wrote:
>
> hi,
>
> it looks like acl starts its season at the start of every year. the
> broadcast schedule seems to be planned until the end of the year with no
> mention of ig.
>
> the url is http://www.klru.org/acl/information/repeats.html.
>

  - the last word in the url before html is "repeats". the ig would be a
"new" show, maybe not on this schedule.
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in the early 50's.

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does anyone have a copy of the ig with michelle shocked on "unplugged"
from march of 1990?

not only do i want to see a&e, but i would love to see michelle too!!

thanks!  any info, mail me privately!

peace, love and ig-
karrie

ps.  hey twink, the tape is in the mail!!!

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subject:      re: rdr closing

hello everyone!

this may have been answered already, so if it has, i apologize for the
duplicate message.

i called rdr yesterday, and they said that they are going to remain open in
atlanta, till mid-august.  they are expecting that around august 12th,
they'll start packing up everything.  but until then, it's business as usual!

and they are definitely keeping the same 800 phone number, so if you want to
place an order, you can call 1-800-636-6166.

hope this helps!
lisa

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does anone have a boot from elmira college (3/18/97)??

i am orginally from there, and had i known that there was this concert,
well, ma and pa would have had a visitor!!  ;)

if someone booted it, please please, llet me know...we can trade or
something!!

peace-
karrie

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hey mark, couldja mail me??  i lost your addy!!

thanks!
karrie

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anyone get this on tape ? any quality?????


(wanting to relive my front row dream show once again)
mike r.
*who still has a *free* lilith ticket to *give* away!!!

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>does anyone know when this will be on pbs??  time and date??
>thanks,
      >david


ok, here is how acl works. they tape shows during the "taping season"
about end of july first of august through about october, then the shows
are scheduled for the next year. so, if ig is taping a session some time
this year it won't air until 1998 sometime.

so far i have not been able to confirm (with acl or klru, the station
that produces acl) that ig is indeed doing a taping.


peace,

dan perkins
post-episodic clairvoyant
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bassist/singer/songwriter

"...well something's lost, but something's gained
  in living everyday..."
               -joni mitchell

>

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one more thing about austin city limits tapings, klru does not release
info about tapings and/or artists doing tapings until about 3 or 4 days
before the taping. so, if ig were taping this weekend, klru won't
release the info until thursday or friday.


peace,

dan perkins
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  in living everyday..."
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in a message dated 97-07-15 19:39:50 edt, you write:

> hey everyone,
>
>  i've always thought the contraction of "you" and "all" was spelled ya'll.
>  i figured "you" became the slang "ya" and the "a" in "all" was replaced by
>  an apostrophe.

ok, that band was a good proof but this is the best.  i live in florence, ky.
it's in the north, and we are not hicks.  we don't even have a noticeable
accent (i talk with people across the nation in my job, and they're always
surprised i'm from kentucky).  anyway.  we have a big water tower.  and
originally it had written on it florence mall, 'cause it was next to the
mall.  but it turned out this was illegal for some reason.  so, some genius
came up with the idea of erasing the "m" and adding a "y' ".  it's like a
landmark here of sorts.  a big water tower, with red stripes at the top, and
in big letters it condradicts everything everyone's working for around here
by saying "florence y'all"!!  but everyone thinks it's real cool too.  we
even call it the florence y'all tower.  ::shrug::  just thought that would be
entertaining.

the sfc

(oh, it's "y'all" 'cause the " ' " is taking place of "ou", if you want the
grammatical reason)

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subject:      ig in mags

hey,  where i work they are now collecting magazines so we have something to
do during lunch (well, i always brought some steinbeck).  anyway, i've been
noticing that lilith fair is getting a lot of publicity.  it's mentioned on
the cover of most music/entertainment magazines, and even life.  and of
course one of the things they mention in the article is the up and coming
prominence of women in music, and how the fair is about women's rights and
stuff.  but ig are never in the articles!  what the heck?  they always
mention jewel (she's ok), fiona apple, joan osborne (bleck!), cole, etc.  it
just seems to me that the indigo girls fit the description much better than
most people in the fair ('cept the older singer/songwriters).  it just annoys
me when they don't get noticed.

the sfc
(please reply directly to me, i miss digests a lot)

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yikes, i forgot the url for the photos...
  http://www.best.com/~kluce/ig.htm

--kim

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this never got reflected to me but here it is again-
i have a free ticket i can not use -- email me your address and it is yours,
if you want to make a donation to em's b-day billings house project in
return, that would be great, but i guess it we be on an honor system. so,
umm , email me for a free ticket to a great show at great woods -- a 42
dollar envelope on my computer is not going to do me any good and it would
be cool to see it go to someone who will have fun
mike r.

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in a message dated 97-07-16 04:42:02 edt, anne wrote:

<< maybe she was busy thinking about visiting spokane someday. :) >>

i noticed in the ppv concert when she sang that line (with the correct
pronunciation of spokane) that she kinda chuckled afterwards.  i presume she
probably took some flack for screwing that up on the album.  hopefully it was
good natured flack.

cheers!
kathleen  kef1330@aol.com

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is anyone here going to the nashville lillith fair show???  i want to go,
but i don't want to be alone, so if someone wants to meet up and go, i'll
buy my ticket now and meet ya there.  :)))  thanks y'all!
sue

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i'm a newcomer to the net and a big fan of the indigo girls.  i do have many
questions.  what is the right forum to discuss ig?  thanks!

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i cannot for the life of me find the email setting up the trade for the
great woods show which i am a branch for others.  i have yet to recieve the
tapes, which is why those waiting for them have yet to get theirs.

sorry to waste bandwidth, but if you are the one who was seeding this tree,
could you contact me privately.

---mike

+++++
michael paluzzi
department of spatial information engineering
university of maine
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http://www.spatial.maine.edu/studentbios/paluzzi/mike.html
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i have one pair of tickets, saturday and sunday, for the newport folk
festival that i would like to sell.  i paid $33 each for a grand total of
$66 for a weekend of great music.  my girlfriends family decided that the
family vacation this year would fall that week, so while i enjoy the show,
she will be basking in the sun on a cruise ship to bermuda.  email me if
you are interested in buying these tickets.  i am in maine, but can
personally deliver to anyone between bangor, me and boston.  or we can do a
cod.

---mike

i can also promise some nice sounds, as my friend who is going is dying to
try out his brand new dat machine. hopefully he plans on taping, he has in
the past, but not digitally!!

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at 11:29 am 7/14/97 -0400, jill pullen <jpullen@mindspring.com> wrote:
>wow, quite a surprise after the rdr faithful showed up and shelled out for
>the rdr benefit to get a bigger store.
>
>silly us, we thought they meant atlanta.

lol!  that benefit was the first thing i thought of when i read the news
too.  what a shame.  (if anyone wants to throw me a benefit so i can move
to key west, y'all go right ahead, i *love* that place!!!)  rdr is gonna
seem mighty out of place in key west next time i go...

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how excited am i to find this listserv?

i've been an ardent fan since a friend in college (carrie saliers) told me
her sister was in this band and that i should listen to them.

just got back from the berkeley concert and am still reeling, but am so
glad to find this group.  my friends all think i'm nuts.

-jeff

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at 11:34 pm 7/14/97 -0500, abigail wrote:
>atlanta once seemed to me to be a mecca
>of my fandom. i anticipated a trip there someday that would be magical. i
>assumed living there would be the answer to all of my problems. i now
>realize that, although i'm sure it's a wonderful city, this was just a
>symptom of how caught up in my crazed ig fandom i was. so, this whole rdr
>business is sort of symbolic for me--it's a sign that i'm moving on to a
>new, probably healthier, stage of being an ig fan.

gee, and i had to drive 10 hours down there and reject a job offer from
bellsouth.net to reach that conclusion...!  i too thought of atlanta much
as you did, and i think i would have enjoyed it much more without the
expectations raised by this list.  as it turns out, i find it a nice place
to visit, but...

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at 07:44 pm 7/14/97 -0700, amy j. putnam wrote:
>are you really that upset
>that rdr is moving that you need to ask for your money back?  i mean,
>is it fair to say, equivalently, that you paid money for a show and
>didnt feel the act delivered, so you want your money back?  did
>you not go and enjoy a concert for your funds?  did you have fun?

you're right -- it's the artists that made the donations, not the
attendees.  i think they'd be within their rights to request a
reimbursement for their services on rdr's behalf.

>>like, what benefit
>> are atlanta folks going to get from the store relocating to key west?
>
>the same benefit that the rest of us all over the world get: a
>fine mail order music shop which knows its stuff and cares about the
>music it supports.  i just dont understand why you are so bitter
>that rdr has decided to move.

it sounds to me like joan's main complaint is that they held a benefit to
help raise money for a bigger store in atlanta.  i don't think any one
would have been upset just because they decided to move to key west, that's
a personal decision, and i'd be there too if i could afford it!  i don't
think (as joan may) that the benefit was a sham designed to pay for a move
to key west, but regardless of the intent of the benefit, you can't blame
folks for being irritated about the move so soon after a *local* effort to
lend financial support for a *local* expansion.

>you yourself have said that you have never been to key west.  maybe you
>should check your facts before assuming anything about the financial
>wherefores of such a move.

i've been there, and i've considered moving there (daydreamed is more like
it <g>).  it's incredibly expensive (and i live in one of the most
expensive metro areas there in the country already).  it's a matter of
supply and demand... not a lot of room, but lots of people want to live
there.  it's with good reason that the locals call it paradise!

>if you have questions you want to ask, i suggest that you
>take it up with them, and not the list.

why is it that rdr can advertise their business here, but we can't question
the ethics of their business practices?

fyi, i'm flying to denver tonight and will be enjoying ig at red rocks this
weekend, so it may be a while before i can reply to any responses.  but
very likely i'll let this be my last public word on the subject, much to
amy's relief. ;)

any locals want to recommend other independent music stores in atlanta?
wax'n'facts has been around for years, any opinions?  it'll be interesting
to see who fills the considerable void rdr's departure will leave.

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the current issue of time has an article about lilith fair.  it's the
one with jewel on the cover.  haven't read it yet, just checked it in
with the rest of the mail (i work in the school library).

anna

"i like to write really quiet songs on the electric guitar."  -amy ray


http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm

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june 26
ae-johnson@nwu.edu (amanda johnson)
happy 20th, amanda!

june 27
gflame@nwu.edu (greg flamer)
(i thought amy's birthday was in april...silly me! ;)

june 30
zkaa76a@prodigy.com (donna schwartz)
happy 28th, donna!


**oops!  sorry folks!  happy belated birthday to y'all.....

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malonecm@rosevc.rose-hulman.edu (chad maloney)

july 8
abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu (audrey beth stein)
happy 22nd, audrey!
"oh the fear i've known that i might reap the praise of strangers and
end up on my own....oh i knew back then it was a calling that said if
joy then pain the sound of the voice these years later is still the
same" --emily saliers "i owe my life to the people that i love" --ani
difranco

july 9
paa4687@dpschp11.dpsc.dla.mil (shawn e daly)
happy 34th, shawn!
"look yourself in the eye before you drown..."

july 10
ssteffen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (suzi steffen)
"signals cross and love gets lost and time passed makes it plain..."

july 14
cbunten@ped-gen-po.ped-gen.uiowa.edu (carol bunten)
"there i am in younger days, star gazing
painting picture perfect maps
of how my life and love would be"

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kim,

where did you toss up the photos?

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at 10:31 am 7/16/97 -0400, sfc wrote:
>hey,  where i work they are now collecting magazines so we have something to
>do during lunch (well, i always brought some steinbeck).  anyway, i've been
>noticing that lilith fair is getting a lot of publicity.  it's mentioned on
>the cover of most music/entertainment magazines, and even life.  and of
>course one of the things they mention in the article is the up and coming
>prominence of women in music, and how the fair is about women's rights and
>stuff.  but ig are never in the articles!  what the heck?  they always
>mention jewel (she's ok), fiona apple, joan osborne (bleck!), cole, etc.  it
>just seems to me that the indigo girls fit the description much better than
>most people in the fair ('cept the older singer/songwriters).  it just annoys
>me when they don't get noticed.

this is an easy one! you see jewel, fiona, joan, paula and sheryl crow (who
was one of the folks on the entertainment weekly cover) have a higher
probability than ig, tracy chapman, mcc, etc. of showing up on stage or in a
video in a tight leather skirt or slip:) in a word, the jewels of the world
fit the "babe" profile that the mainstream media is comfy with.

what i find ironic is that ig is actually getting higher billing than jewel
and company at the stops they are a part of. heck, even sarah is stepping
aside in chicago and allowing ig to appear after her and she put lilith
together!

but does it surprise me that ig isn't getting any publicity from the tour?
not at all. i even think the fact that those artists are being touted is
being done purposely to get male support for the tour. i seem to recall
early on that many mistook the "women only performers" as meaning that only
women were allowed to attend a la michigan.

deb

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hey, i saw a one-liner in the rockontv page saying that the girls will be on
tv on august 30th :  ) is the vh1 thingy?

cheers ~

jude :)

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hi, i heard that ig will be on vh1 on august 27th and i also heard that they
will be on august 30th, does anyone know what the right date is?

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hey y'all,

so i found out i was wrong all along.  but thank you to all you nice
southerners who so kindly informed me.  i feel better that i know the
correct spelling, y'all! ;)  thanks!  peace, melissa

-find myself becoming more immobile, when i think a little girl in the
world can't do anything -e.s.

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -a.r.

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i thought i would throw in my 2 cents.  anbd why i'm upset about rdr
closing down.

when i was in high school here in atlanta, the acoustic music scene was
really thriving.  on any given night, you would have people sch as
michelle, wendy bucklew, caroline aiken, melanie hammett, ashley & mark,
catbird seat, blue prayer, the wagonwheels, angela motter, and many many
others playing at eddie's (or trackside) and at oxford acoustic cafe, at
the in touch cafe, and any number of other places.  and within a mile or
two of each other you had rainy day records and eat more records, two of
the coolest (and supportive of local music) record stores i've ever
seen.   and things were hopeful for the future, as daemon was just
starting up ands was sister ruby records, botgh of which were putting out
many great acoustic albums.

then things started to change.  in touch cafe closed down, and eat more
records wasn't too far behind (i admit they still have a location open,
but it's far out of town, and from what i hear isn't nearly as cool as
the one run by jinny hawkins was).  sister ruby seemed to die a slow death.
the wagonwheels broke up in what was described to me as "a horrible mess
that makes us all disguted with the music industry."
blue prayer split up, and kevin lawson did some great stuff at first, but
then moved onto 3 loust souls, a project i just don't think is all that
great.
catbird seat split up and moved away.
wendy bucklew moved to la.
oxford closed its doors, which is upsetting to me for a number of
reasons, but one is that this is the place i discovered many a
musical artist.
ashley of ashley & mark fame quit singing.
and while we still have several great artists (kristen hall, michelle
malone, shawn mullins, matthew kahler) it seems to me like they each put
in their once-a-month gig at eddie's attic, and don't really contribute
much to a local music scene, as they tour or work on other projects and
dissapear in their off time.
and for the last few years, it seemed to me that rdr was the one vestige
of that great scene which helped me make it through my high school years
which was left.  and now they're gone.

am i mad at perry and marsha?  of course not.  just as i'm not mad at
michelle, etc for working on building their own careers, and i'm not mad
at wendy for moving to a place where she's happier (from what i hear) or
any of the other people.

but am i dissapointed?  yes.  very much so.

go ahead and flame me if you want...but this is why i as an atlantan am
upset by rdr moving.  i'll still continue to do mail order from them, and
i wish them the best (though i do think that they owe people who gave
money for a bigger store in atlanta a huge apology, if not a refund)
but i am upset.

darren

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i tried, y'all.  i really truly did.  i tried my best to not reply to
this... but i just cannot stand it... she set me up too well...

at 04:18 pm 7/15/97 -0700, the goddess herself tapped:
>hey y'all:-)
>just *had* to post + say i *finally* did it... i am no longer an "ig-concert
>virgin"... lost that title officially on sunday night at the pier in
>seattle... and it didn't hurt one bit :-)
        and *i* got to be there for it too!!  let's see, what do *i* get for
breaking the goddess into live ig... a toaster just doesn't seem quite
right...  i know.. i want a big bowl of indigo swirl with grape nuts and
sprinkles on top... and a t-shirt.... yeah, i wanna' t-shirt that reads "i
was with the goddess when she lost her virginity" .  heh heh heh.  reminds
me of some stories about our goddess from some earlier lifetimes.. hey
kiminy bud, remember the time in cyprus in the early 200s bc?  and to think
that she was planning on volunteering for the dance of the virgins... heh
heh heh....  how much will the goddes offer me to keep quiet?

*chuckle*

        anyhow, so i loved being with kim and heather for their first ig concert
(and my 5th whooo hoooo), it was cute to see the looks on their faces and
to watch kim try so hard not to sing along or dance... good try, not
terribly successful.  [yes, i saw that!]  nothing in my life has brought me
as much happiness in the way of friends, music, and that sorta' mushy stuff
as indigo girls.  way cool.
        next goal (pay attention pnwers!!) is to make kim stay down here long
enough for a proper ig party!!!  i'm thinkin' bumbershoot and we can all go
see danielle howle a few thousand times again... whatcha' think?

        tracy - ig virgin-buster

heh hehhhhehehehehehe... i recruit!!!

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hey y'all ;)

i'm interested in finding out all the different covers the girls have done
in their many years of performing.  i know they started out doing a lot of
james taylor tunes.  i ask because i was intrigued to find out that they
did tom petty's "free fallin'" (from someone who mentioned it a few days
ago).  also, the new bob marley "redemption song(s?)" is a very
interesting song for them to cover.  i know a lot of the covers from
1200 and various boots, but i'd like to see what i'm missin'.  so,
everyone, what all songs have ig covered?  indulge me.  thanks!
peace, melissa

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world can't do anything -e.s.

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -a.r.

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subject:      re: atlanta

  as it turns out, i find it a nice place
to visit, but..

deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\


ouch!!!!!!! those of us who live here kinda like it!!!!

tune

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subject:      hey kind friend guitar arrangement can be yours if you e-mail me
              *now* =)

i am so incredibly proud of myself, and i have decided to share the fruits of
my labor.  after hours of blood (i hit myself in the forehead with my
guitar), swet (i kept having to turn in circles to go from the stereo to the
paper), and tears (see: blood), i've figured out:
a) how amy's guitar riff figures into hey kind friend (thank you whoever it
was that posted that oh so long ago)
b) the dobro part for the entire song.  *phew*  that took dedication, let me
tell you . . .
c) the chords (only played in the chorus)

what i still have left to do is:
a) divide the entire song into measures (not too hard)
b) figure out the horn thingy's part
c) figure out the penny whistle part

since it's going to take me a little while to organize the guitar parts into
some sort of . . . organized arrangment, and because i feel bad for the
digest people:  if you e-mail me by noon, saturday, (absolutely no later!)
i'll e-mail on over to you a text file of the whole shee-bang. (that would be
guitar one, guitar two [dobro], guitar three)

ok, so, i'm at 'wishmonstr@aol.com'.  e-mail me now! =)

-elizabeth

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hey y'all,

i was flippin' through u of pitt's summer (i.e. weekly) edition newspaper,
expecting nothing, for it isn't much of a paper.  but, what can i say, i
*do* get bored.  so, i get to the center spread which is entitled "keep on
rockin' in the free burgh," about which i thought "puh!" (that means
"stupid," to me).  so, i look over at the right column and see a pic of
bob dylan, beside which is an announcement of the bob and ani show coming
up here in august.  i thought nonchalantly to myself, "i'd really like to
go to that, i should get tickets."  below this i see another concert
announcement, i know this because i see the words "indigo girls" in bold
letters.  i am more than surprised to see those two words in any of my
"real world" publications.  so, i'm semi-freakin' when i notice an
accompanyin' pic, it's real dark, barely looks like anything.  then all
the sudden i recognize a familiar image.... it's a picture of amy ray!!!
ok, i'm totally freakin' out now, total shock!  i look below the pic, and
my confirmation..."amy ray of the indigo girls."  well, that's it.  sorry
if y'all were hopin' for something more substantial.  but, as often as
i've seen people write in their surprise at seeing ig mentioned in their
local publications, i was always like "ok, fine," but now, i truly
appreciate these experiences and posts about them.  and for those of you
in pittsburgh, for a pic of amy (although, quite dark) get to u of pitt,
and get yourself a copy.  have a nice day, y'all!
peace, melissa

-find myself becoming more immobile, when i think a little girl in the
world can't do anything -e.s.

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -a.r.

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from day-mon, here it is:


date: wed, 16 jul 1997 16:26:39 -0500 (cdt)
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precedence: bulk

what's happening at daemon records...

***half off sale***

starting august 1st and continuing through the month is daemon's first
ever big sale.  all early releases plus a few extras will be half off! you
might want to hold off on that order you were going to place to take
advantage of the deals. watch the web for more info ( sorry, but we can
not honor the sale price before or after the month of august.)

***danielle howle and the tantrums***

the tantrums dropped off an unmixed/unmastered version of their upcoming
daemon release and it has been playing at our offices non-stop.  lots of
new material even the staff hadn't heard!

the band was scheduled to mix the album this week when an untimely
lightning bolt decided to hit the mixing board.  all is well though and on
schedule for the october release date.

***new daemon artist - terri binion***

terri's music fell into the hands of amy and the daemon staff and we
couldn't pass up the chance to get her music out there.  she writes
alterna-country pop gems that are completely unforgettable and utterly
absorbing.  reminiscent of artists like rickie lee jones, nanci griffith,
and michelle shocked, this orlando based singer/songwriter has gotten our
attention and will claim yours too.  look for leavin' this town this
september.

***thrive - a compilation to benefit youthpride***

we were approached by the atlanta youthpride organization to help sell
their compilation cd, thrive - because no one is invisible.  put together
by local musician josh joplin, it is a line-up of some of atlanta and
athens best talent. the cd features the tender idols, belloluna, josh
joplin, shawn mullins,indigo girls, viva la diva and gerard mchugh just to
name a few.  check out our site for more details.


that's all from the offices.   remember to support your local music! the
daemon staff

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kim the goddess wrote:
> was it already posted that the billy tipton sax players were invited along
> to join the ig at lileth fair in vancouver???... they were awsome + make a
> great addition to the onstage presence + sound:-) y'all will love em:-)

hey kim the goddess, and everyone, yes the tiptons are great but...alas it
is not true, they toured with ig prior to the seattle pier shows,
kim the goddess, you must have been reading that awful seattle newspaper
that gets everything wrong!!

kim n.v. (lilith fair attendee for vancouver and devoted lineup
investigator!!! i cannot wait, peace all)

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once agian, i state:  if you have questions/problems/concerns about
rdr's move, take it up with them.  speculating about it on the
list doesnt any one much good.

> you're right -- it's the artists that made the donations, not the
> attendees.  i think they'd be within their rights to request a
> reimbursement for their services on rdr's behalf.

it sounds as though you think that rdt took the money and ran,
never intending to put it to it's purpose.  curious..from what do
you draw such a drastic conclusion?

> it sounds to me like joan's main complaint is that they held a benefit to
> help raise money for a bigger store in atlanta.  i don't think any one
> would have been upset just because they decided to move to key west, that's
> a personal decision, and i'd be there too if i could afford it!  i don't
> think (as joan may) that the benefit was a sham designed to pay for a move
> to key west, but regardless of the intent of the benefit, you can't blame
> folks for being irritated about the move so soon after a *local* effort to
> lend financial support for a *local* expansion.

if poeple want to be upset, thatr's fine.  but again, it's up to those
people to talk to rdr about it.  perry has *always* been willing to talk
to anyone abput concerns about the store.  it amazes me how much people
still want to air their laundry on the list where rdr has no direct
presence.

> i've been there, and i've considered moving there (daydreamed is more like
> it <g>).  it's incredibly expensive (and i live in one of the most
> expensive metro areas there in the country already).  it's a matter of
> supply and demand... not a lot of room, but lots of people want to live
> there.  it's with good reason that the locals call it paradise!

i have never been to key west so i  know nothing about the costs involved
in living there.  i also know that perry and marsha wouldnt be making
a move which would expand their costs.  if you want/need to know more
about this, again, talk to them.

>
> >if you have questions you want to ask, i suggest that you
> >take it up with them, and not the list.
>
> why is it that rdr can advertise their business here, but we can't question
> the ethics of their business practices?
>

oh, give me a break!  since when is complaining about a move a legitimate
thing to talk abotu on a list?  yes, i have posted announcements for them
about available music/items.  but i *fail* to see how questioning their
business practices here is in any way equivalent, or resolves questions
in any way?  rdr has always been willing to work with people who
are dissatisfied, and i knwo that perry is more than willing
to talk to anyone about this situation.  since he cannot directly
see the posts coming up about this, he has no way to defend himself directly
aside from poeple calling him.  if you want to question him, be
my guest, but do it in a way where he can respond.


                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
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hi everyone!

we've read the seattle reviews so far and have enjoyed every one of them :)
we had a very different experience from the others that we'd like to
share.   first of all, we sacrificed a good spot in line for spending time
with a friend from college whom we had not seen in 7 years :(  we got in
line at about 3:30 pm so we were waaaaaaaaaaayyy back, about middle of the
bridge.  unfortunately, we didn't get to meet any listmembers up front, but
fortunately, we had a pretty good view of the stage from where we were.  at
one point, we were very amused to hear the spice girls blasting (tell me
what you want, what you really, really want!) and spotted sully and trace
dancing in the spice fashion!!  chris, my girlfriend psychic
extraordinaire, had only 2 seconds before mentioned that it would be mighty
funny if they played the spice girls!!  anyway, we spent most of the
afternoon reviewing boat etiquette and watching near-miss boat accidents
and docking horrors.

when the gates were finally opened at 5:30, chris had to get in the
backpack line and i hastily proceeded to find some good seats.  we were in
the 4th row, amy's side, and had a lovely view of both goddesses.  the
opening act, david wilcox, was excellent.  our favorite song was the one
about the key to the house, metaphorically, that is, and we enjoyed his
pre-song banter.

then, the moment of truth....what can we say, amy & emily were sublime.
secure yourself was the opening song, and what a great job.  chris has
heard them perform that song 3 or 4 times, and she thinks it was the best
performance ever.  chris' song highlights:  every single song, especially
chickenman!  it was the first time she'd ever heard amy do a stream of
consciousness....my highlights were:  secure yourself, hey kind friend (we
both cried through this one, so did the security woman at center stage),
love's recovery ( i kinda woke up with this song in my head), and blood
quantum.  chris loved the way david wilcox was so in awe of the fact that
he was singing with amy & emily.  he was great!

after the concert, we went up to the stage, we all chanted sully's name
repeatedly but she was nowhere in sight.  trace and some other guys handed
the setlists and then....the magical moment.... a young man standing next
to us was handed one of amy's broken guitar strings....he didn't even know
what it was but when the five women surrounded him and told him, he was
duly impressed and grateful.  thankfully, he was a kind and generous soul.
one of the women around him had a nail clipper and he cut us all a 2 1/2
inch piece.  we were so excited to get a piece of amy's guitar string,
chris actually kissed him!!!!!  we put it in a very safe place in our
backpack and it now rests in our magic box here at home.   *sigh*

after this moment of glory, we walked over to the security guard and asked
him if he would give amy and emily a gift for us.  we picked some wild
mountain sage from our favorite mountain and took it with us to seattle.
he said that he couldn't promise anything but that he would give it to the
road manager.  hopefully, he kept his word...

what we didn't know was that we would be waiting outside of the gate for 1
1/2 hours and could have given it to sully or sara.  yes, we waited and
waited until we finally got a glimpse of emily....she was being driven
somewhere in a rust colored bmw...she was wearing a jacket and hat in the
hope of being discreet (yeah, right!!).  the crowd of about 10 waved and
cheered!  then the guard at the gate tried to get us all to leave by
telling us that amy was hiding in the back seat of the car with emily in
it.  needless to say, none of us bought it!!!!!!

we waited awhile and in the meantime, saw sully (i bowed to her), jerry-
he smiled at us as we said goodnight-, josh- we cheered for him- and oh,
the so beautiful, sara lee...chris told her that we loved her and she said
thank you, thank you very much.... *sigh*

then....as we were standing mid-bridge, i spotted amy talking to a man with
a white beard (chickenman ?)....she got into the same rust colored bmw and
we all crowded around the gate.  chris and i were at the end of the
driveway, we all clapped and cheered and when amy got close to us (chris
was wearing her daemon records shirt and i think that caught amy's eye),
she waved!!  it was the end to a perfect night....we can both die happy now
:))))

so that's it!
nothing in this world can match the happiness and peace that ig inspire in
us.

igx igo,
rachel & chris :)))))))))))))))))))))))))
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"a lesson learned a loving god and things in their own time, in nothing
more do i trust, we own nothing, nothing is ours, not even love so fierce
it burns like baby stars..."  emily saliers

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subject:      re: daemon records monthly mail--ig on compilation disc

this was on the daemon records email i got...i'm sure a lot of you guys got
it too, but for those who didn't--here you go!  if anyone wants me to post
the rest of the "letter" i will!
~jen
<< ***thrive - a compilation to benefit youthpride***

we were approached by the atlanta youthpride organization to help
sell their compilation cd, thrive - because no one is invisible.  put
together by local musician josh joplin, it is a line-up of some of atlanta
and athens best talent. the cd features the tender idols, belloluna, josh
joplin, shawn mullins,indigo girls, viva la diva and gerard mchugh just to
name a few.  check out our site for more details. >>

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subject:      ig on vh1

actually, i think it will be aug 24, a sunday, because all vh1 hard rock
lives come out on sunday...they are then repeated..i think wed and
sat....i have the specific info about hard rock live at school..will try
to look at it (it didn't list ig at all, but i wrote down the date a few
months ago when it was first put on this elist)...@=d take care, jen

~~~activism~~~equality~~~~peace~~~~
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thailand~alabama~boston
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ok, here are the details:
as i said before, it is 2 90 min tapes, of michelle malone and the indigo
girls at champoeg on 7.9.97  if you want just mm or just ig you can make
arrangements with your branch person and just send one tape.  it sounds ok
to me, but you can definitely hear people talking (like the woman in front
of me who screamed  "let's rock 'n roll" when sys came on).... so,
depending on your birthday, you can email (you might want to wait a bit so
they can recieve the tapes i'm sending them)

bonnie          bonster@bp05.u.washington.edu   jan,dec
andi            ablipman@sas.upenn.edu          feb
jude            hunterj1@aol.com                mar
slavi           dozy41@webspan.net              april
alexandra       aaogilvie@aol.com               may,june
rob             phite@cybergate.net             july
john            jmiller@wdl.lmco.com            aug
java            jsolis@oregon.uoregon.edu       sept,oct,nov
sherlyn         sherlyn@fl.net.au               australia

thanks to all the branches and to everyone for being patient while
i discovered the joys of booting.

java

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hey everyone,
i anyone is interested in seeing the girls at red rocks on thursday,
i have two tickets available.  i know this is short notice, but since the
show is sold out, i was hoping that these tickets could find there way
so someone who really wants to go.

let me know if you are interested.   send me an e-mail asap or call
me at 1-800-572-0850 x5921.

thanks,
- - howdy...
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              opinionated)

...and those shows were san diego, l.a #1, berkeley #1, britt, both champeog.
i've already written some about champoeg so, i'll skip that.

i've been back to work this week, having little bits of memory fly through my
brain.  i thought i'd try to compile those bits and share them with you all.

san diego had a fairly good crowd.  too many talkers though.  definitely too
many drunks.  great night for amy and her soc's.  cut it out was the best
version i heard all trip.  amy blew me away.  i loved the begining, and back
beat of sys that got brought along on tape!  how anyone can sit through sys
and sb is beyond me!  leeds into redemption song...wow.  they didn't say
much, a few words about the rollercoaster across the water from the venue.
emily has a thing for rollercoasters (bumbershoot).  funny thing:  older
fellow (in their 60's) and his wife sat next to us.  we never really figured
out why they were there.  it seemed like she dragged him there, which we
thought was cool.  they were very sweet about people dancing all around them
as they sat.  we realized why the mr. was so cool about it when we looked
over during a sweet emily song and he was nighty-night.  not that i would
fall asleep during an ig show, but gosh how nice to have emily sing you off
to dreamland in person.  they left soon there after.  overall this was a
great show.   the billy tipton memorial sax quartet rocks!!!  they are fun to
watch perform as well.

l.a. was a bit different.  truly a less personable crowd.  the greek is
beautiful.  the four absolutely plastered drunk women in front of us were so
nice at first, even invited us to the river.  then they got bombed.  the row
in back of us talked too much.  we again solved this by getting up and
dancing the whole time.  we were starting to feel embarassed by the amount of
talking in in the crowd, no matter what song, you could hear it.  i started
to feel a bit snobish because i actually came there to hear the music.  i
never realized the amount of people who pay 35.00 and more $$ for drinks, to
socialize.  we never let this get to us in a deep way.  oh, the show?  it was
good.  it was good to have mm there.  amy seemed to be much more energetic on
this night.  i wondered if it was because mm was there.  it was great to
finally hear tangled up in blue.  they had teased us in s.d.  at soundcheck
with that one.  wild horses w/mm was something!  we met amy and emily, along
with some other great list folks at the tower record signing that day.  the
girls were very personable and sweet also.  i gave amy a copy of the
infamous/famous "piano picture" from the eugene show.  she said "thanks, we
don't have any documentation of this one".  i was glad to have met them.  i
don't ever need to again though, a pleasant once was enough.

berkeley # 1.  best point:  the crowd sang awesome!  (great to see you
tom!!!)  worst point:  the crowd sucked in many other aspects.  the whole
reserved section sat through 90% of the show.  some very rude girl told us to
"go in the aisle and dance or sit down because there are people back here who
can't see a thing"  not even a "please" or friendly tone at all you know the
smart ass tone i'm talking about.  this was the maddest i got during our
whole trip.  after she asked us that, she and her friends talked through an
entire song.  as we were on our way to the aisle to dance, i said to shila in
my best passive-aggressive tone "yeah, lets move 'cause they're not gonna
shut the fuck up" hmm so there!  we had a great time after that, whew.  when
the crowd sang, you could hear all the voices so wonderfully in that little
bowl of a greek theatre.  very cool.  the band was really off this night.
boy, i really don't mind when the girls and band screw up, i think it
actually makes for good variety.  this one though, i was uncomfortable with
how they seemed to feel about it.  they said they had taken a day off, and
kind of lost it as a band.  they appologized continually, to the point where
they seemed really annoyed with themselves.  there was lots of eye-rolling
after screw ups.  shit, they're only human.  i didn't mind.  they ran out of
time and only played 2 encore songs.  we heard the next day was better.  we
almost went, but i had to wash my hair! (decided to bleach my hair blonde
actually).  billy tipton msq was incredible once again!

ahh oregon, back in the home state at the britt in jacksonville.  this is the
place where you spend 8 hours in line with really nice people, then come gate
opening time they clobber you to get to the front.  boy!  you gotta be a
sprinter to get a seat in front.  we managed ok though.  actually met great
folks here.  jacksonville is such a sweet little town.  this show knocked me
off my feet.   (seona, i saw your post.  i wish i knew you 'cause we
would''ve sat you on our blankie right in the front.  i've had that happen to
me too, the non-fan thing).  both a and e were very talkative. some quotes
may be kinda choppy.  e said "we were going to call our album 'bull in a
china shop'".  then she or amy said "yeah, bull dyke in a china shop, but lea
delaria named her album that"  then amy paused and said "yeah, and i'm the
china shop"  meaning???  then emily said "medford is a big place"  audience
member yells "stay away from medford"  amy winks with a thumbs up like --yeah
we hear ya!  medford is a very conservative town.  i would say downright
scary.  i also remember there being a conversation where amy said something
about "ellen" being in the family hour so they could be too, then e pipes up
to say "whats the big deal anyway???"  then mutters "what the fuck?"  under
her breath.
amy was all smiles this night.  for some reason gherkin came to open for
them.  i never thought i'd hear strange fire live.  who do i thank for that
request?  i think i know, maybe it was the prep cooks???  (hey good band
name!)  we sat half the time at the britt, cause security, although mellow,
was enforcing that.
oh, i remember emily saying the audience's singing was "fragile"  (nobody was
singing)  and the britt was "like a big picnic".
thats it for now folks.  my brain is mixey mashing all the shows together,
and setlists are totally escaping my mind.  it was a long 2 weeks, but worth
every thing it took to do it.
goodnight,
catherine

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wow! is all i have to say. after attending my first ig concert, i am an
addict and desire to attend all. after being a fan for about 7 years and
most of that in japan, tonight was tremendous. they were tremendous, the
crowd was great, the weather was perfect. couldn't have asked for better
conditions. big crowd, bigger than i expected and bigger than they
expected. i had great seats-reserved and about 30 rows up on the emily
side--better to see her playing.

a word about the opener, david wilcox was great. i was not familiar with
him or his music, but loved what i heard and want to hear more. he
started promptly at 7:30--when the show was supposed to start and ended
about 45 minutes later.

ig set up and they came out about 8:45 or so andplayed until 10:30,
10:35. for those that like to hear the wardrobe selections for the
evenings, they were both dressed in what looked liked docker-type pants.
(someone closer could verify that.) amy had on blue slacks,
short-sleeved blue checked collared shirt with a spiffy red jacket and
emily had on a long-sleeved black polo-type shirt with green khaki
slacks. they looked sharp.

band: sara lee, jerry marrotta (spelling?) and josh segal and some guy
whose name i can't remember that played harmonica.

interesting tidbits:
- a group made them a quilt and then signed it. that was cool.
- just after get out the map, someone tossed a cigar on stage. amy said
something like, "oh, someone know emily." the emily asks if the cigar
were cuban and when she realized it was said something like, "this is
illegal." crowd laughed.

okay, set list

1. mystery: love this song and seeing it live made it better. started
the crowd going
        with their first of many standing os.
2. 3 hits--crowd dancing and singing and lots of clapping and yelling.
were
         surprised by the crowd, the number of people in attendance that is.
3. it's alright--more standing and dancing and singing.
4. don't give that girl a gun--rockin! it is so much better live.
5. caramia--love this song and it was wonderful. crowd really liked it
too.
6. shame on you--rockin with a soc in the middle, broke a string on her
electric
         guitar, kept playing and then changed and finished with acoustic,
crowd was
         going wild during entire song dancing and singing.
7. least complicated--audience sang and danced and filled in the empty
places
        when they stopped singing. sounded great
8. tried to be true--pretty much a continuation of lc. fun fun fun!
9. everything in its own time--mighty pretty. loved the echo added to
the ending
         notes. made it soooo soulful.
10. land of canaan--love this song and so did everyone else.
11. scooter boys--rockin! the cd doesn't do it justice.
12. leeds--audience sat down and listened for a few minutes. (nice to
rest the feet
         even if it was only for a minute.) love the song.
13. redemption song (? i think?) amy solo, emily on the piano
14. shed your skin--again the cd just doesn't do it justice. this
rocked. standing
         again and darn happy about it.
15. get out the map--still standing and dancing. at the end, emily
slapped her
         thigh and yelled yee hah!
16. hammer and a nail--fun as usual
17. cut it out--live is so much better than the cd. this one surprised
me as i don't
         care for the cd version, but loved the live performance.
18. galileo--last of regular set. fun. audience was very much a part of
the
         performance.

encore
19. love's recovery
20. chickenman--love the live version. some soc, lots of instrumental
rocking out.
         liked the song before. now i love it.
21. closer to fine--some people may be tired of this at concerts, but
since it was my
         first one, it was great and being able to be part of the audience
singing it was
         one of the highlights.

what can i say except, that it was everything i had thought it would be
and more. really want to see more. i was exhausted just watching
them--with all the energy they expended, i don't know how they do it
night after night. they give out so much. they were wonderful and wish i
were going to be in red rocks tomorrow night.

one sad note, a terrible accident on the way home. it looked like
someone slammed into the back of a semi and there wasn't much left. that
was a bit sobering and i didn't even need to be. so, be careful.

marian

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hi,

just wanting everyone to know that i'm still looking for everything really
on the band :
k's choice !
let me know if you have anything for this true k's choice collector!

danny

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got this from an ad in "entertainment weekly"

the hard rock cafe concerts on vh1 are broadcast 4 times in a week:

sundays - 8:00 pm & 1:00 am
monday - 8:00 pm
saturday - 5:00 pm
(all times eastern/pacific)

(hardrocklive.msn.com)

nancy humphries
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oh my gawd.....take several deep breaths into a brown paper bag.  this
was my first indigo concert and a & e rocked my world. i was front row
emily side.  wolf mountain is the most gorgeous place for a concert, even
emily said something like "this is the most beautiful location."  when
she said that i turned around and there was this beautiful
pink-purple-orange glow from the sunset above the mountains,
breathtaking.

the crowd: i am so proud of the utah fans!  the place was absolutely
packed, it had to have been close to a sellout.  everyone was on their
feet screaming, singing, and dancing for almost every song.  a & e seemed
genuinely surprised and flattered at the size and enthusiasm of the
crowd.  e says "we weren't expecting this many of y'all."  a says "it's
good to be back."  towards the middle of the show e says "do y'all live
around here or are you just passing through?"  crowd screams.  e says
"raise your hand if you're from out of town."  there were also many
"y'all are so sweet." commments as well.  there weren't enough bathroom
facilities so the women comandeered the mens bathroom stalls, those poor
guys who tried to be discreet at the urinals-you go girl!

during the show the girls recieved a cigar, a bouquet, a quilt, and a & e
autographed something for a girl in the middle of the show.  at the end
some girl tried to climb the scaffolding and was quickly grabbed by security.

i saw tons of people that i knew, one girl won tickets on the radio and
got to come up early and have a barbecue with a & e, and listen to their
soundcheck.  again that burning question arises, who do i have to sleep
with to get invited to these things! ;) ;) ;)

set list:
1. mystery: beautiful, "i could go crazy on a night like this." my
sentiments exactly.
2. 3 hits: crowd starts rockin.
3. it's allright
4. dgtgag: amy shuts eyes the whole song, really powerful.
5. caramia: really driving, intense, and melancholy.
6. soy: this is where the crowd went insane. first and only broken
string, i didn't even think you could break an electric string, a played
almost the entire song with the string broken, the tech wasn't prepared.
7. lc: awesome, just like 1200 curfews.
8. ttbt: nostalgic acoustic ecstasy.
9. eiiot: first time crowd has sat down since soy.
10. loc: i imagined i was at little five points, it rocked.
11. sb/river: awesome combination.
12. leeds: emily is a red haired goddess, nuf said!...well, the crowd was
totally quiet while e sang, she sounded on the verge of tears.
13. redemption: beautiful follow up to leeds.
14. sys: a says "we better introduce the band, okay we'll introduce her
first." sara makes this song.
15. gotm: crowd favorite.
16. h & n: i never thought i'd get to hear this live, i didn't even
recognize the opening.  this song made my night.
17. cio: rocked.
18. gallileo: sang every syllable, crowd fave.
19. lr: wow, david wilcox sang on it and he looked like he was in awe of
a & e and the crowd.
20. chickenman/i'm wasted and i can't find my way home: amy ray rocks.
21. ctf: my dream was to sing this song live, it was so fun just like camp.

okay, i'll shut up. on my way to indirado 97.

diana-the other red headed goddess ;) :) ;)

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in a message dated 97-07-16 15:48:55 edt, you write:

>  this is an easy one! you see jewel, fiona, joan, paula and sheryl crow
(who
>  was one of the folks on the entertainment weekly cover) have a higher
>  probability than ig, tracy chapman, mcc, etc. of showing up on stage or in
a
>  video in a tight leather skirt or slip:) in a word, the jewels of the
world
>  fit the "babe" profile that the mainstream media is comfy with.
fiona apple looks like a heroin addict.  oh, yeah, so do a lot of models,
duh.  i never thought of jewel as getting anywhere 'cause of her looks.  i
mean, in that first video she looked terrible, and you just couldn't ignore
those teeth.  ya, but yer right about ig not fitting what mainstream media is
"comfy" with.
>
>  what i find ironic is that ig is actually getting higher billing than
jewel
>  and company at the stops they are a part of. heck, even sarah is stepping
>  aside in chicago and allowing ig to appear after her and she put lilith
>  together!
ya, that's what confused me to!  at least here in cincy i believe a couple of
the ones on the cover of entertaiment, or the ones mentioned in the time
article don't even get to play a full hour like ig!!  i mean, what the heck?

>  but does it surprise me that ig isn't getting any publicity from the tour?
>  not at all. i even think the fact that those artists are being touted is
>  being done purposely to get male support for the tour.
hmm... who knows?  media always drives me nuts.  examples:
media's breakthrough women singers:  alanis morissette, osborne, etc.
real breakthrough women singers:  ig, merchant (ok, she got some notice)
media's quirky band with good lyrics:  president's of usa, ween (or weezer, i
mix 'em up)
real quirky band with amazing lyrics:  they might be giants

the sfc

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did anybody boot this show?  i have a friend who is a huge david wilcox
fan and she would love this...


kim paulus
production manager      mercury productions, inc.
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> wow! is all i have to say. after attending my first ig concert, i am
> an
> addict and desire to attend all. after being a fan for about 7 years
> and
> most of that in japan, tonight was tremendous. they were tremendous,
> the
> crowd was great, the weather was perfect. couldn't have asked for
> better
> conditions. big crowd, bigger than i expected and bigger than they
> expected. i had great seats-reserved and about 30 rows up on the emily
> side--better to see her playing.
>
> a word about the opener, david wilcox was great. i was not familiar
> with
> him or his music, but loved what i heard and want to hear more. he
> started promptly at 7:30--when the show was supposed to start and
> ended
> about 45 minutes later.
>
>

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the ig web site is saying that ig will be the musical guests on an upcoming
show hosted by barbara walters called "the view". the air date is sept 14th
on abc.

it also lists the vh1 dates as aug 30 and sept 24th which don't make much
sense to me. as someone else posted earlier, new episodes of hard rock live
are always on sunday nights. my money says the show will be on aug 24th.

deb

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july 7, 1997

closer to fine.

indigo girls
the greek theatre, los
angeles, july 2, 1997

now that the indigo girls are a
bona fide top 10 act, selling
millions of albums and influencing
folk-flavored artisans from jewel to ani
difranco, one might expect their live show
to be packed with a little extra punch.
indeed it is, but you won't find it in the
staging, which is as plain as an
amphitheater tour can be. nor will you find
indigo girls amy ray and emily saliers
decked out in evening gowns or exotic
costumes. instead, their pizzazz is right
where it should be -- in the music. call it
upgraded indigo, a sound that includes a
fuller mix and layers of strings from
mandolins, banjos, violins and anything
else that can be strummed or picked.
but the real added punch was pure
emotion that resonated with the crowd so
much that concert-goers were openly
crying for one song and dancing with wild
abandon to the next. even those converted
by the group's recent mainstream success
got caught up in the raw feeling, and the
band itself seemed to bounce off the odd
and introspective dynamic.
the group has always struck a chord with
women both gay and straight, and the
audience was about 80 percent female.
and while some of the men looked a bit
restless, even those dragged there by
friends were dancing along by the end of
the concert, which opened with "mystery"
and closed with the duo's first hit, "closer
to fine."
though it's easy to classify as repetitive
any act whose style is as highly developed
as the indigo girls, their performance
showcased the variety of genres from
which the group borrows. there's a taste
of country in songs like "shame on you,"
while other tunes evoked southern
roots-rock or irish folk. the duo even
underscored their range of influences with
a cover of bob dylan's "tangled up in
blue," on which they were joined by
opening act michelle malone.
despite such genre-dabbling though,
saliers and ray came across as a duo on a
personal mission: to spread their message
to a growing number of converts. and they
seem to be succeeding.
jeffrey jolson-colburn

copyright 1997 by straight arrow publishers company, l.p. all rights
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just wanted to make a plug for michelle malone's latest "beneath the devil
moon".  i adore this cd.  i saw mm open for ig in michigan last month and her
voice is terrific.

she is also on many of ig's bootlegs that have been passed around this list,
wild horses is one of my favs that she does with amy and emily.

a &e both sing backup on her new cd.  emily's voice blends so wonderfully with
mm's on devil moon...

it's on sale right now at tower for $9 .. i really recommend checking it out!

amy c

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subject:      thank you!

hi everyone.  i've been lurking for a while and reading all the wonderful
concert reviews--and i just wanted to tell y'all thanks for taking the
time to write about details and stuff!    it's been so fun to read about
each show and all the little a & e quirks that vary from each one.
i saw them in knoxville when dave wilcox opened--didn't know he was going
to do some more with them!  he is a great guitarist, lyricist, and
performer--male ig???  just kidding, don't flame.
and in knoxville too he was so excited to be backing them up on love's
recovery--how sweet--when amy introduced him she said, "we've known this
guy for a long time" and he had the biggest grin!
anyway thanks again guys--i'll provide y'all with a review after columbus
(polaris) lilith fair, which i'm sure will bring all sorts of houses
down.

see y'all there!
--beth

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subject:      (nigc) happy birthday, andi!!!
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june 25
ablipman@sas.upenn.edu (andi)
happy 19th, andi!!!!!!!!!!!  :)
"i have no need for anger with intimate strangers...."


sorry it's late and all.  i thought for sure i had included your
b-day with the rest....bg the fourth

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at 01:45 pm 7/16/97 -0500, trace wrote:
>at 04:18 pm 7/15/97 -0700, the goddess herself tapped:
>>just *had* to post + say i *finally* did it... i am no longer an "ig-concert
>>virgin"...
>.... yeah, i wanna' t-shirt that reads "i
>was with the goddess when she lost her virginity"
er... achem... sorry, but all that's left is the standard "i got to watch"
coffee mug + complimentary swizzle stick... it aint much, but the picture of
my swollen toe ( ala trace + her foot stompin frenzied excitement over the
"down by the river" bit ) only a little off center on the thang, is quite
fetching....

>nothing in my life has brought me
>as much happiness in the way of friends, music, and that sorta' mushy stuff
>as indigo girls.
i gots to agree with this one... save fer that time in kindergarden when i
swallowed six live worms on a dare, i aint never met + made so many cool new
friends ( trace... kim in nv etc.. ) ig people are the best, and that speaks
volumes for the girls and their music:-)
>       next goal (pay attention pnwers!!) is to make kim stay down here long
>enough for a proper ig party!!!
no twisting of this arm will be neccisary... :-)
>       tracy - ig virgin-buster
aint gonna touch that one:-) just... mommas??? warn yer daughters!!!!!!
>heh hehhhhehehehehehe... i recruit!!!
hell with toaster ovens... the woman be workin on a dishwasher:-)
peace all... kim ( goddess of ig concert withdrawl )
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the flesh is strong the spirit stronger, so shed your
skin baby, let it through... comeonovernow!!!!... amy ray
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hey y'all! have any of y'all had problems finding the new dar and michelle
releases? i've been all over town and there isn't one store that has
either cd. i expected there might be a few problems finding michelle
locally, but dar?? none of the stores here know when they'll be
getting them. in fact, most of the stores don't have them listed in their
computers. i was just wondering if anyone else is having a problem finding
them. i guess i'll have to mail order which i hate doing, but if it's the
only way....

jendy

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kind friends,

i first want to delurk to echo all the praise for the new mm release. i
actually found it in our local borders last night and think it's
definitely her best yet. go out and get it!

second, i want to send a big thank you!! to cath and karen (a little
belated) for sharing such wonderful early ig music with me for the
take-pity-on-the-newbies tree that jude, etc. organized....

all you folks who've only been listening to sos since it came out, go
back and spend a day with blue food and color me grey if you've got 'em.
hearing how *young* the girls sound and then listening to how strong and
intense they've become is really amazing to me! i'm not trying to
belittle their early stuff at all, but it's just so inspiring to me
to think about how much they've grown as musically and ideologically in the
past 10-15 years...

-- cheryl
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while you and i have lips and voices which are for kissing and to sing
with who cares if some one-eyed son of a bitch invents an instrument to
measure spring with?                                      e.e.cummings

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has anybody been maintaining a list of all the available boots for shows
on the sots tour?

now that the shed portion is over, i was thinking i wanted a few more
boots that i had not been paying attention to earlier.  but of course...
i don't have the lists anymore.

then i started thinking that what i really want is a complete list of all
the college and shed tours, and all the radio appearances etc. ,
annotated with information about whether the boot exists and who to get
it from.

if no one else has been keeping all the lists, i'll try to put a master
list together and then either put it up on a web page(probably on the
existing tour archive page, if thats ok), post it to the list, or e-mail
it out by request, depending on what people want.

so first - has anyone already done this, or most of it?  i don't want to
duplicate the effort if someone's got a directory full of tree lists and all.

e-mail me (alisont@netcom.com) if you've got a full or partial record of
the offered boots going and would be interested in sharing it, or in
making it complete and offering it up to the list.

if no one has, i've got the list of shows, and i'll start asking for
people who have the boots to send me information, and also looking for
dates for the radio and industry performances etc.

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hi... i'm wondering if anyone out there has any information on the melissa
ferrick show august 1 in new york.  i remember someone saying she's opening
for kristen hersch (?) if that helps jog anyone's memory.  anyway, if someone
out there knows how to get tickets, could you pass the info along to me?
thanks a bunch.

donna
(dheidorn@eden.rutgers.edu)

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at 12:44 pm 7/17/97 -0700, alison wrote:
>has anybody been maintaining a list of all the available boots for shows
>on the sots tour?...

>then i started thinking that what i really want is a complete list of all
>the college and shed tours, and all the radio appearances etc. ,
>annotated with information about whether the boot exists and who to get
>it from.
>
>if no one else has been keeping all the lists, i'll try to put a master
>list together and then either put it up on a web page(probably on the
>existing tour archive page, if thats ok), post it to the list, or e-mail
>it out by request, depending on what people want.
>
>so first - has anyone already done this, or most of it?  i don't want to
>duplicate the effort if someone's got a directory full of tree lists and all.

this is exactly what i wanted to do on my web site (the sots tour archives
at http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html). i have a section put
aside for boots but never really got around to gathering the data. i thought
of putting up info about known boots, contacts, etc and possibly even
starting a ratings systems. i am not much of a collector so it wasn't much
of a priority for me but would help out anyone who wants to undertake this.
actually i was contacted by someone last week who was interested in working
on this very project.

anyway, if someone wants to gather the info i would certainly make a home
for it. my long term goal is to set up similar info (boots, setlists, tour
stops) for the previous tours.

deb

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does anyone know whether any of the lilith fair is going to be on radio
or tv?
if so, i bet someone will be taping it??


andrew

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sorry to waste bw, but i'm looking for jeni & traci from seattle...
i haven't been able to get through with the addy i have, so if you get
this, please respond!

thanks
sarah

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subject:      re: lilith fair cd (igc!!!!!!!)

as i recall, the track listing on the back of the cd got shifted down one
song. ig actually do shame on you and the artist either before of after them
does "all my fears". i tried to pick one up at the gorge but they were out so
i just got to look at one someone else had.

resa

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hello all,

        i have two tix to the lilith fair at the starwood
amphitheatre in nashville, tn.  the show is august 6th.
the seats are in section 201 row rr seats 14 & 15.  they
cost me $29.50 each plus the other tm charges but i will sell
them for $20.00 each.  if you are interested e-mail me privately.

thanks,
cindy

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i was wondering where exactly one could find the lilith cd.  i have yet to
see it anywhere. is it only available at certain stores?

heather
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> as i recall, the track listing on the back of the cd got shifted down one
> song. ig actually do shame on you and the artist either before of after
them
> does "all my fears". i tried to pick one up at the gorge but they were
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> i just got to look at one someone else had.
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melissa ferrick is opening for kristin hersh (of throwing muses) at luna
park in west hollywood tomorrow (friday).  starts at 8, i think.

if anyone is planning to go, let me know.  i have an extra ticket.

if you've never seen melissa ferrick, she's really good live.

alison - alisont@netcom.com

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my friends & i have been trying to figure out how to play leeds on piano.
here's what we got so far...we only really worked on the left hand.  my
friend figured most of this out, & she's never taken piano lessons.
actually, she plays all of the chords w/ her right hand!  i took piano
lessons when i was younger, & this was my first attempt to play by ear.
anyway, i know a lot of it is wrong.  if you think something else sounds
better, please let me know.  i wrote it w/ chords next to the lyrics to
make is easier.  sometimes the spacing looked right on my computer screen,
but when i printed it, it was messed up, so i hope it comes out okay on
e-mail.  capital letters are chords, & lowercase letters are notes.

here are the chords i used, in case you never learned how to play chords on
piano:
g--g b d
d--d f# a
f/c--c f a
c--c e g
f--f a c
dm--d f a
g/d--d g b
x--b e a  (i have no clue what the name of this is, so i called it x.)
y--e g b (same thing)
cm--c e flat g
em/b--b e g

i play all chords as the high versions (above or directly below middle c),
except where there's a * next to the chord/note, meaning i play the lower
version, & except & y, which i always play low.


intro:
g g g
d* d* d*
f/c* f/c* c*
d g flat
c e
g g g
d* d* d*
f/c* f/c* c*
d g flat
c e

g           g       d d          c c  d g flat  c e
     it's dark at 4 pm in leeds
g           g       d             d                 dm      dm   dm  dm  c
     the steeples pierce the skylight till the last of it bleeds
g          g      d        d      f       f        c
     the absent sound of another day as it recedes
      c               dm  c
     into the shadows
g/d              dm     c g
     until it's nothing
g         g        d               d     c       c  d g flat  c e
     fax papers slipped under the hotel room door
g          g               d      d       dm        dm       dm dm c
     like food for the prisoner or the prospect to the whore
g          g       d       d         f      f
     well fed and halfway drunk, i ache myself for more
c              dm  c         g    c               c  c
     until i'm shadows of myself until i'm nothing
c        c          cm       cm       x         x
     sixteen black churches burning on the tv
c            c          cm       cm       x  x  x
     all the way from texas to tennessee
c       c   cm        cm      x        x
     a politician locks my eye and says to me
c           c     cm    cm cm       cm      c     c  c
    there is no crisis here there's no conspiracy
g       g      d      d          f/c   f/c     f/c  d  c
    i crave inertia, every move made so i can stop
g       g          d          d dm           dm    dm   dm dm c
    whatever this madness is in me spinning like a top
g         g        d     d      f       f
    on a bed of anxiety over a deep dark drop
c     c        dm          c  g
    down into nothingness
              c          c  g
    into withoutyouness
c           c    cm    cm     x          x
    was it ever so the evil creep like ivy,
c        c           cm       cm      x           x
    toe hold on the stronger half of nature's dichotomy
c            c      cm    cm            em/b      em/b   em/b
    beating back a path through nothing more than pure insistence
c      c   cm     cm  c       c
    until here becomes the distance

piano solo:
g g g
d* d* d*
f/c* f/c* c*
d g flat
c e
g g g
d* d* d*
f/c* f/c* c*
d g flat
c e
(and something else that i can't figure out.)

g             g       g     y           y  f  f  d g flat   c e
     hold my head love i'm sick tonight
g              g    d         d           dm   dm                  dm   dm dm c
     find the open hole and press your finger there with all your might
g       g        d        d       f    f
     before the last ounce of my spirit bleeds
c                  cm                em/b
     onto the pristine sheets of the hotel bed in leeds


that's it!  it took longer than i thought to type it all out.  if it looks
messed up on your screen, e-mail me, & i can try to send it as an attached
word file or something.  i hope this helped someone...

andi


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                                  andrea lipman
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           "and when i talk about therapy, i know what people think,
         that it only makes you selfish and in love with your shrink,
                      but oh how i loved everybody else,
       when i finally got to talk so much about myself."-dar williams
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oops :)  forgot to mention it was the seattle show on the 13th...and...did
anyone notice amy's moment of bliss during love's recovery?  she stopped
playing, her arm frozen over her guitar, her eyes closed?  she looked very
intense and deep in thought, then she came out of it and smiled that
gorgeous smile??
can't stop sighing,
rachel & chris :))))))
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more do i trust, we own nothing, nothing is ours, not even love so fierce
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subject:      amy ray's response

i read the article in the atlanta mag, and i'd like to know if someone could
send me a copy of amy's response to the article. i'd like to have it to see
what parts angered her the most. thanks.

p.s. email privately. thanks.

michelle

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subject:      re: nigc dar and mm

you wrote:
>
>hey y'all! have any of y'all had problems finding the new dar and
michelle releases?

no problem finding dar in the bay area.  wherehouse is featuring her
end of the summer for $11.99.  the cd is an interesting stretch for
her.  the first cut are you out there rocks like crazy and is
absolutely terrific.

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hey kind friends!

        since this article was removed from the url site, i thought some of
you might still want to look at it.  typed-out courtesy of twink, but send
all bandwith flammage to me :)

thanks y'all~
da poultry guy

p.s.  ma binky still floats my boat!! ;)


"wear a lot of padding"

the road to music stardom may require a long and painful, barefooted
walk over sharp stones and cut glass, but for those who make it, it's
worth every step.
michelle malone, cooper seay, and nina williams are still trying to make
it.  by using their talent and integrity in the pursuit of their burning
desire, these three women do what they do best: music.
with the help of her mother's inspiration, linda ronstadt and her
stepfather's old guitar, atlanta's michelle malone jumped into the music
world at a very young age.
"my mother's a singer," she recalled. "i thought she was cher or
something."
her mother sang cover songs in local dives when malone was a little
girl.  she was mezmerized by the sound of her mother's voice and wild,
'70s-style clothing.  seen through the eyes of a child, her mother led a
glamorous life, and malone was destined to follow.
"i sound like my mom," malone said.  after years of being habitually
compared to the likes of janis joplin, patti smith and melissa etheridge
-- the truth is finally out.  the only artist she sounds like is her
mother.
while only 28, michelle malone is a veteran singer/songwriter/guitarist
who has felt the highs and lows of music stardom.  she has already made
four records and plans to release a fifth one, bird on fire, this summer
with her group, band de soleil.
"my career has been a roller coaster," malone said.
being granted instant musical stardom early in her career with a record
deal from arista records, malone left arista after only recording one
record.  she hated the lack of control over her work, which has always
been extremely personal to her.  she landed other record deals soon
after but has struggled to reach that kind of pinnacle again.
malone claims that her songs have only become even more personal and
meaningful over the years.  for example, malone's lyrics from "light of
day", a song that can be found on her last album, "redemption dream",
clearly expose her thoughts on bypocrisy and those who pass judgement on
everyone else: "you angels shine your halos/you preachers grip your
books/mount your golden soapboxes/to get a better look/but don't let
your high horse/carry you so far away/you can't see the heavens for the
light of day."  her lyrics prove michelle malone isn't a musician
willing to hide behind catchy pop phrases.
malone said that at first her career "wasn't something i'd earned. it's
taken several years to get it back."  she regrets not taking it
seriously enough in the beginning and alienating a lot of people.
it took starting over again and knowing herself intimately to get it
back.  malone said that she's extremely satisfied with the way things
are progressing for her and band de soleil.
"i'm satisfied now because i'm doing the best i can with what i've got,"
she said. "i've created a second chance for myself."
malone composes most of her songs whle sitting at her computer, two
hands on the keyboard and guitar in lap.  she usually writes the lyrics
first, then the music.  sometimes she becomes inspired "just sitting
around playing the guitar for no good reason, just kind of hummin'
along."  she prefers the computer method to ad-libbing because it allows
her to exercise both sides of her brain at once.  the right side writes
passionately creative lyrics while the left side utilizes the keyboard
efficiently.
some claim that music cities like athens and atlanta are breeding
grounds for "wannabe musicians" and that there is no variety in today's
music.  malone disagreed.
"art is so subjective -- it means something different to every person,"
she said.  "the important thing for it to do is to touch on the senses
and emotions."  she said sometimes new musicians lack emotion on stage,
but that it will be mastered with experience.
it also takes patience to handle people talking loudly while you sing.
"it can be really frustrating at first," malone said.  "then you kind of
laugh about it, because you think, this person paid $5 to see you
perform.  they sit in the front row and then miss the entire show."
malone said she couldn't offer any expertise to music ingenues.
"i don't feel qualified to do that," she said, then laughed and added
knowingly, "wear a lot of padding."
for now, michelle malone is content.  she continues writing soulful
music and getting ready to tour and promote her new album this summer.
malone's next goal is simply, "stability."

another music veteran, cooper seay -- singer/songwriter/guitarist of
atlanta's viva la diva, snuck into the clubs of atlanta when she was a
teenager.
"i played my first gig when i was 15," seay recalled.  "i just wanted to
do it and i thought -- why can't i do that?"
at 15, she read an ad in a local newspaper placed by another musician.
the musician's ad asked for another musician to jam with, and seay
answered it.
"this man who was about 30 years old came over to my house with all of
his equipment," she recounted. "he was nice."
he asked her to play something she had written.
"the thing is, he didn't say anything discouraging; he just told me to
keep practicing."
seay said that he could have been brutal, but he wasn't.  his
encouragement gave her the courage to continue.
seay has a dreamy songwriting style.  "i like to think about a song
right before i go to sleep and see if i wake up with something."
she likes to work things out in her subconscious and added, "i solve a
lot of problems that way."
seay, now 29, is busy promoting viva la diva's first record around
atlanta and the southeast called "viva la diva: greatest hits volume 1".
she and the band plan to tour the east coast this summer so that others
might hear the distinctive sound that makes viva la diva's shows so
successful and admired by their followers, nicknamed "viva la diviants."
seay gives advice to aspiring musicians that speaks of the fierce desire
she radiates through her own music: "you just have to do it. you have to
play for the right reasons, not for fame or money, but because you can't
not play.  you'll be happy because you're doing what you love."
following in the footsteps fo seay and malone, nina williams is a new
artist bred on concertos and operas. she is weaving her way into the
eclectic music scene of athens, ga.
the 24-year-old also began singing at a young age while listening to
sesame street records. she recalled, smiling, "my mom said she would
come into my room and i'd have the record player blasting, while i
rocked furiously back and forth in my rocking chair."
williams is the lead vocalist for a band called addison blue. the band
has played around athens for almost three years and is slowly spreading
out to encompass atlanta and other cities in the southeast.
she describes their music as slowly evolving.
"it used to be pop, but now it's leading towards angry, jerky music with
a melodic undertone," williams said.
unlike malone, williams usually writes her music before the lyrics. she
becomes inspired in the car.  she is often listening to new music
written by her bandmates while driving.  she said, "sometimes i have
lyrics just waiting for music; then i hear the music and think, 'that's
it!'"
her lyrics, like malone's, often tackle bigger subjects and are
intensely personal. williams' favorite song she's written is "vision
why". the lyrics delve into racism and how easy it is for a new artist
to be taken advantage of and believing in false promises.  she writes:
"deception flame shines/buried deep inside/feels like we have no
trust/mixture is a must."
williams is primarily influenced by individual artists. she is largely
influenced by other female musicians like magnapop's ruthie morris and
michelle malone.
"i see different things in different people, and i try to take in
different qualities of people," she added. "i'm trying to be more
tough."
she likes the intense and formidable impressions morris and malone
emanate.
both williams and malone seem petite and fragile in appearance, but
their huge voices more than make up for their small frames. the singers
demand the attention of their audience with powerful lyrics and intense
performances.
"i like how michelle malone acts and how she sings with a grindy voice,"
williams said. "i wish i had some of that grindiness; it's hard when you
don't have it naturally like she has, but i'm trying to emphasize my
passion more."
williams' plans for the future appear well thought out.
"i know everything's a process; it's little steps by little, little
steps."
she won't stop until she's made at least one record and has been on tour
at least once.
"i love music," williams says. "it's my life."

(article by natalie chalfin, reprinted without permission from flagpole
magazine, issue dated 5/22/96)

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date:         thu, 17 jul 1997 23:54:48 -0400
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from:         erica weinstein <mkw007@aol.com>
subject:      wfuv

i was listening to wfuv in ny today and in a preview for this sunday's
cityfolk morning show, they said they were celebrating birthdays.  of course
who did they mention, but our own emily saliers.  so those of you in the ny
metropolitan area, tune in to wfuv sunday if you want to hear what they play.

erica

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subject:      one more word on daemon....

i recently ran across another vote for the daymon pronunciation......

any trekkies out there?  on star trek, there is a race called the ferengi,
and the captains of their ships are called daemon, and it is pronounced
daymon.  as in, the captain of the ferengi runabout *profit* is daemon tog.
or something of that nature.  so a daemon could also be seen as a leader,
someone in charge.

just adding my own extra penny-and-a-half (don't think that was worth the
full 2 cents).

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
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'cause i'm gay..." - e. saliers
"i said you know it's funny/i think we were on the same boat back in 1694" -
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as jenny will be able to attest, the video did arrive at her place.  most of
the other ones are on their way too.  i have
to do a couple more dumps this saturday - sunday.  my apols. i have a new cd
which is being launched tonight and
as a result i have been worrying about that all week.  but i am back on
track as a dubber now, so will send all things
to all who need them (vids and stuff back to the states) - and dumps on to
europe and australia.

regards and thanks for your time
sandy

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hello y'all,

i just saw a show that mentioned that lillith was adam's first wife in
the garden of eden. she disobeyed adam and was cast out of the garden
and her children were all killed.  god then made eve.  lillith then took
the form of a serpent with wings. at night lillith would enter the
garden and drink the blood of adam and eve. she is declared by this show
to be the first vampire.
i was just wondering if anyone had heard about this. is this the lillith
that the tour is named after or is it someone else.  maybe it is
something completely different, i don't know that is why i am asking.
does anybody have any information about lillith? if so i would
appreciate hearing from you. thanks.

feel free to share as much as you want to, mark

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subject:      re: lillith: a possible connection

<sarcasm>
wow! no kidding! and i heard about this earthy blue color called indigo--i
wonder whether it has anything to do with the indigo girls' name?!!
</sarcasm>

ob-useful-information: the lilith fair web site is at <http://lilithfair.com>,
shockingly enough.
kirsten

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your love's a crime / but nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight
/ got to kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight."--bruce cockburn

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i  think i signed up for some mailing list a long time ago, and got
this....feel free to send them an e-mail...and for the life of me i
can't think of what vs means.

just thought i'd pass it along...anyone have any insights into this
business. are they legit?

bye
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subject: indigo girls promo cd's for sale
date: thu, 17 jul 1997 16:32:50 -0700
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this is a list of cd's for sale by vs music

shame on you - esk 9707
        tracks: 1. shame on you (radio edit)
                2. shame on you
        comes in a standard cd case with both front and back cover inserts

power of two - esk 6886
        tracks: 1. power of two
        comes in a standard cd case with both front and back cover inserts

least complicated - esk 6081
        tracks: 1. least complicated
        comes in a standard cd case with both front and back cover inserts

touch me fall - esk 6029
        tracks: 1. touch me fall
        comes in a digipak paper picture cover

prices $8 each

available in limited quantities and are first come first served

if you are interested please reply to vsm@vsmusic.com or
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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 16:32:52 -0700
reply-to:     "monica a. soutto" <msoutto@geocities.com>
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hi ani-fans!

for you ani difranco fans i've found an interesting article.
this is an article i found in the cultural magazine
of the spanish newspaper el pais (07/11/97). the truth is
that i saw it in the coffe-shop where i use to go everyday and,
of course, incindentally i took the page with me.

if you want to check it out, i have scanned the photo
of the article and put it on my web page. it's in 3 sizes:

anidifr.jpg ---> extralarge ( original scanning-440 kb)
anidfmed.jpg---> normal size ( 62kb)
anismal.jpg ---> small size ( 14 kb)

i've scanned the article also. if someone has time and/or
wants to translate it into english, do it, but now i'm
not in position to do it. if you want me to correct it
( if i can), for me that's ok. but i can't translate it
now. besides, i'm not yet an adf fan.

anitext.txt---> article in spanish ( 6kb)

i've put it also on my web page at geocities (photos ani difranco):

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/club/5480/anidifr.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/club/5480/anidfmed.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/club/5480/anismal.jpg
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/club/5480/anitext.txt

btw, in my page i have added several photos of things that we have ferran and me, of k's
choice (in little time also of rem and ig):
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/club/5480/

********

well, one last thing. if you're able to get any k's choice
concert/radio appearance/.... and want to trade, tell me.
i've a lot of boots to trade (ig, rem, me,...)

b, aix s tot per ara ( well, that's all for now,in catalan)
bye,
monica & ferran

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"beat me up                             |ferran nogueroles d'oliveira
and smash my brand new tv              |       <maror@teleco.upv.es>
to help me look for                    |monica a. soutto
a little piece of paradise in me"      |       <msoutto@geocities.com>
        k's choice-'paradise in me'     |universitat politecnica de valencia
          valencia (...still spain but not for too long ) europe
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at 03:51 pm 7/17/97 edt, owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org wrote:

>hi... i'm wondering if anyone out there has any information on the melissa
>ferrick show august 1 in new york.  i remember someone saying she's opening
>for kristen hersch (?) if that helps jog anyone's memory.

i'm posting this to the list because there are probably several here who
would love melissa ferrick's music if they had a chance to hear it.  she
recently performed here in san francisco the day after the two berkeley
indigo girls shows.

many who attended that show had seen michelle malone open for sunday's
ig-show, and were looking forward to seeing michelle in a very small
venue, but they had no idea what to expect with melissa ferrick since
they'd never heard her music.

michelle's performance was (as expected) very strong... michelle is a hard
act to follow, but melissa blew everyone away with her music, her voice,
her lyrics, her intensity, and her humor... an incredible double bill!

melissa ferrick won lots of new fans that night!

she is curently touring, opening for kristen hersh (former vocalist for
throwing muses)... her current tour schedule is:

    july 18 - los angeles:    luna park
         20 - san francisco:  noe valley ministry
         24 - minneapolis:    first avenue
         25 - madison:        press house
         26 - chicago:        schubas
         27 - detroit:        7th house

    aug  01 - new york:       the fez
         08 - boston:         paradise     <--- corrected date

look for her latest cd, 'melissa ferrick + 1', a solo acoustic album
containing songs recorded live at several southern california clubs.

>anyway, if someone out there knows how to get tickets, could you pass
>the info along to me?

i have seen tickets available at all the usual bass/ticketmaster sources,
as well as from the venue's box office... you'll need to check locally
to see when tickets go on sale in your area.

john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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whew!  i've had over 50 responses for boots of one or both berkeley shows.

many of you have offered to be branches, and i'm slowly putting a tree
together... when the tree is complete i will publish the tree structure.

until then, please be patient... i'll answer each of you shortly.

john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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on fri, 18 jul 1997 00:52:15 +0000 seona <sb2@axe.humboldt.edu> writes:

>i  think i signed up for some mailing list a long time ago, and got
>this....feel free to send them an e-mail...and for the life of me i
>can't think of what vs means.
>
>just thought i'd pass it along...anyone have any insights into this
>business. are they legit?
>
>bye
>seona
>sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

>message-id: <01bc92d3.8364b020@vsmusic@vsmusic.com>
>from: vs music <vsmusic@vsmusic.com>
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>to: "'baes@northcoast.com'" <baes@northcoast.com>
>subject: indigo girls promo cd's for sale
>date: thu, 17 jul 1997 16:32:50 -0700
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>this is a list of cd's for sale by vs music
>
>shame on you - esk 9707
>        tracks: 1. shame on you (radio edit)
>                2. shame on you
>        comes in a standard cd case with both front and back cover
>inserts
>
>power of two - esk 6886
>        tracks: 1. power of two
>        comes in a standard cd case with both front and back cover
>inserts
>
>least complicated - esk 6081
>        tracks: 1. least complicated
>        comes in a standard cd case with both front and back cover
>inserts
>
>touch me fall - esk 6029
>        tracks: 1. touch me fall
>        comes in a digipak paper picture cover
>
>prices $8 each
>
>available in limited quantities and are first come first served
>
>if you are interested please reply to vsm@vsmusic.com or
>simply reply to this message
>
>
>
>this is a one time mailing, you will not be mailed again unless you
>reply

i have never bought ig stuff from them, but i have bought other promos.
i have bought on 3 different times, and always had quick service.

i don't have any affiliation with them, just passing along the word that
they have provided me with good service that i was happy with for promos.

---derek

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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 09:46:29 -0400
reply-to:     lisa tatonetti <tatonetti.2@osu.edu>
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mmm, last i heard the lilith fair had the ig as one of their top bills,
which places this firmly w/in ig content, imho.  (if that's what this flame
is about?) or is it just about not wanting anything posted that you already
know? which would get rather complicated on a list of this size.

usually reading the list is a great way to start the day. waking up to this
kind of unnecessary hostility really made me crabby this morning.
lisa
btw, i know the lilith story as well, but i'm sure there are many people out
there who didn't.

><sarcasm>
>wow! no kidding! and i heard about this earthy blue color called indigo--i
>wonder whether it has anything to do with the indigo girls' name?!!
></sarcasm>
>
>ob-useful-information: the lilith fair web site is at <http://lilithfair.com>,
>shockingly enough.
>kirsten
>


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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 09:58:25 -0400
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i have personally heard members of the rock*a*teens call it daymon and amy has
said that that is the correct way to pronounce it.

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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 10:56:59 -0400
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now i have some more important questions...

do you say potaytoe  or potahtoe??

and is that with or without an e??
(ask d. quayle)

is it vahse  or is it vayse??

is it superfluous or is it superfluous??

i guess the daemon one is slightly pertinent to ig, cause if ar heard you
say it the wrong way <gasp> <gulp> <errr>, she might just ban
you from ig concerts or maybe remove your left arm and smack you over
the head with it?!?

ok, i'll stop now.  before anyone gets mad at my sardonic (sat word)
message, i was simply laughing at how many messages were on that
subject and how funny it is to discuss something like that to such great
length.  but, on the other hand, that is why we are all here, to find out if
a&e like golden grahams or honey smacks for breakfast (well maybe not
that).

now for some better igc......
was anyone listening to wfuv (90.7) in the ny area???  cause they
were playing the whole sots album at around 9:00pm!!!!!!!!  i was
actually thinking how i hadn't heard any ig on that station in awhile and
suddenly, wham!!, an onslaught!!!  of course, i had to drive around town
way out of the way for a half an hour.......  but the question is, why
were they playing the whole album uninterrupted (well i heard only five
songs, i think) ??????  was it like midnight album-side on the classic rock
station???  or did every one fall asleep at the station temporarily???
let me know....that station is awesome (btw the new sarah m. stuff is
awesome).

thanks,
mkc
(extremely bored at work)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
be fun, have kind
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at 02:51 am 7/18/97 edt, kirsten wrote:
><sarcasm>
>wow! no kidding! and i heard about this earthy blue color called indigo--i
>wonder whether it has anything to do with the indigo girls' name?!!
></sarcasm>
>ob-useful-information: the lilith fair web site is at <http://lilithfair.com>,
>shockingly enough.
huh????
geez...
you crawl onto yer computer chair from the wrong side o' the bed this am
kirsten?? :-) why for the crankiness???
the list is taming down too much for you, right?? right?? secretly you just
*love* a good ol bandwith wasting flame war... biege be damned:-)
well... despite the tone o' the delivery, i am now armed with the addy to a
website *i* didn't know about, so's i can go look up a subject ( the origin
o' "lileth" ) that i find interesting and reasonably igc...
tanks:-)
peace... kim ( goddess of "where the hell is my coffee??" )
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at 10:56 am 7/18/97 -0400, michael wrote:
>but, on the other hand, that is why we are all here, to find out if
>a&e like golden grahams or honey smacks for breakfast (well maybe not
>that).
tsssk michael... any ig listee worth his/her salt *knows* it's grapenuts,
dammit... grapenuts!!!!!
:-)
peace... kim ( goddess o' b-fast cereals )
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poor kirsten...no one else seems to appreciate her sence of humor!! well
fear not kirsten, some of us get it...and dont consider your comments bw
wasting!!!

lynda

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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 12:03:26 edt
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      msg/mercury boots and red rocks

hidy ho neghbors!

any of you who went to red rocks last night, write the list and tell us all
about it. that's a command :)

my sister is going tonight and is losing her ig virginity, so if you are
approached by a beautiful girl with long blonde hair and she says "hi, are you
a friend of susan's?"  say yes, even if you think i'm el queeno dorko, k?

also, i have only had *one* person write to me about getting the madison sqaure
gardens/mercury lounge boots, and they are great, so if you want them, write
me....even if you're not the birth sign i am (carpicorn)...

hope you all have a fine friday

xo, sus

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>
> mmm, last i heard the lilith fair had the ig as one of their top bills,
> which places this firmly w/in ig content, imho.  (if that's what this flame
> is about?) or is it just about not wanting anything posted that you already
> know? which would get rather complicated on a list of this size.
i don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to try doing a web search
(which, of course, would have located the lf web site immediately) before they
pose a question to the list. that's all.
kirsten

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> i don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to try doing a web search
> (which, of course, would have located the lf web site immediately) before they
> pose a question to the list. that's all.

except for the simple fact that not everyone has web access.

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monk@world.std.com          \   /
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subject:      re: lillith: a possible connection

i heard from a friend of mine that lillith was created from the same
*material* as adam, therefore she was *equal* to adam, neither superior or
inferior.  what i heard was that she was forced to leave the garden because
either adam or god had a hard time with her having equal *power* as adam.  i
think it ends by her leaving the garden, but i don't really know.  i'd love
to know if there are other interpretations to the story and which one is the
*actual* story.

ilana

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that, and even if someone does have web access and still had the nerve to
bother the list with a question he could have had answered anywhere else,
we are usually a nice bunch of people to ask questions of, and de-lurking
long enough to ask that question and getting his head bitten off is not
nice.

kirstin, ur a cool and amusing chyck (big puffy girl handwriting) and i
get your humor, but maybe this was a bit over the top?

anyway, i didn't know this particular story or its possible connectin to
lf (i did check out the site but it was a long time ago and the
explanation didn't stick in my brain since it was so full of my kolidg
edukashun)so it was news to me!

on fri, 18 jul 1997, amy j. putnam wrote:

> > i don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to try doing a web search
> > (which, of course, would have located the lf web site immediately) before they
> > pose a question to the list. that's all.
>
> except for the simple fact that not everyone has web access.
>
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> monk@world.std.com          \   /
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subject:      re: lillith: a possible connection
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              "gwendigo" at jul 18, 97 10:37 am

>
> that, and even if someone does have web access and still had the nerve to
> bother the list with a question he could have had answered anywhere else,
> we are usually a nice bunch of people to ask questions of, and de-lurking
> long enough to ask that question and getting his head bitten off is not
> nice.
that's not the point. the point is that it's rude to ask a question to the
list that you could have answered yourself. every message you post to the list
takes up a little bit of processing time and disk space on a couple of
hundred computers. translation: every message you post to the list costs
somebody money, if not you. this is why we have traditions like trying to find
the answer to a question yourself before you ask others, and ignorance is no
excuse for breaking these traditions.

and in response to amy's point that not everyone has web access--almost
everyone who has email access has web access these days, and those who do not
have actual web access still have a rudimentary form of access through
wwwmail servers.
kirsten

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/ got to kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight."--bruce cockburn

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i cried for half the show and laughed my way through the tears during the
other half.
michele malone is spectacular.  emily came out and did a song with her during
the opening.  they kept mentioning some sound problems but honestly...all i
could hear was the music, the best music in the world.

best moments that i will never forget;

emily spotlighted, her sweet voice spiralling up into the red rocks sky while
playing a big grand piano, and amy coming out to start up bob marley's
"redemption song"...
galileo as the last song ('nuff said!)...amy, emily, and michele singing
"wild horses" for an encore...  caramia...  emily's boots...(i think they
were red docs) chickenman, land of canaan, of course, shame on you, oh
man...they were so much better live than any recording.  i've never been so
happy ( or so sad, when it was all over! )

this was my first show.  i'm so happy now, i feel like i can survive
anything.
and by the way, what a crowd.  full of happy, beautiful, energetic, loving
people...everyone in the world who loves ig should come to red rocks.  it's
the best place to see a concert, period.  you can see the sky, the distant
lights of denver over the stage; it's just so perfect.

i can't go on friday...i hope everyone has as great a time as i did, and
please someone write in and review.
thanks
susan

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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 14:27:29 -0400
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subject:      lilith (nigc_ohreally?)

hey sports fans !
so, like, i went to the lilith site and couldn't find nary a peep about the
story of lilith ... that little bit that someone posted really intrigued me i

must say. so of course now i must know, don't you know.
yes, yesssss.
it's nice to have a modem again ...my other one blowed up real good
in the big day after the 4th lightning storm ... so did my scanner :(
it was scary as hell ... do you think i was being punished for being a
disobedient girlie ?
probably.
arf wah !
miss b.
ps. anyone have a good recipe for thai noodles ? i need some badly.
"thatracerxhe'ssuchastrangemansometimesheactslikeafriend!!!!!!!"
speed r.

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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 12:27:47 mdt
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subject:      red rocks

ohhhh yeah.  guess who was down front and center at red rocks,
directly in front of amy herself.  she smiled at me, laughed
at me, and at one point rolled her eyes at me as i held up a
t-shirt and black marker ... red rocks is just not the place
to get autographs.  i met sooo many cool people!  including
a number of listers -- hey y'all!  will be seeing you again
tonight!

smuggled a camcorder in, too.  security down front was way too
tight to get any video, much to my anguish, however i think i
got part of it in audio.  i turned it on about 3 songs into the
evening.  i am not sure whether to try it again tonight -- i would
hate to get thrown out or something.  i will see what i got over
the weekend and let everyone know how it sounds.

other than my personal highlights (see paragraph 1), the other
great moments imho where:

1.  michelle malone, who i got to talk to (along with gf lea)
the night before when she opened for local denver artist wendy
woo (who is fantastic btw!) about rdr stuff (how they tried to
sell illegal boots for profit which is why daemon won't associate
with them anymore) and chiapas stuff (how it changed their lives).

2.  emily on the piano -- what a goddess.  and amy quietly coming
out after leeds to sing redemtion (sp??) song.

3.  getting to watch a&e watch the opening acts from the side of
the stage

4.  as the moon rose over the rocks, a breeze kicked up and blew
their hair back, causing them both to have cool-mountain-breeze
this-is-why-we-love-colorado smiles.  and it made the lights
sway which was kind of surreal.

5.  i was trying to pick out my favorite numbers but i so adored
all of them that it's impossible.  the entire band was up and
seemed thrilled to be there, and the crowd was amazing.

i'll try to come back with a set list and boot info on monday.
have a fantastic weekend -- i'll be getting much needed sleep!

elizabeth from denver
enitz@evolving.com

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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 12:12:04 -0700
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hi all.  i would really like to get stickers or posters or pins of the
indigo girls...so if anyone buys any extra stuff like the aforementioned
at any upcoming concert, i would repay you for it and be one happy camper.
even if you get extras, i could unload them from you to the list or my
friends.  i went to the jacksonville concert and all they had were
t-shirts and caps.  please, please, please...i'll even throw in some
boots.=)

remember, y'all, i wrote about my jacksonville ig moment with trace, well
i was practicing with the pick given me with "indigo girls" written on it,
and decided to keep it in a safe place, cuz i lose every single pick i
get.  i put some scotch tape over it, and some of the lettering faded!

moral of the story:  don't put tape directly over the writing on the pick!

thanks for any help/response about the stickers/posters/pins =).

seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 13:11:53 -0600
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>>3.  getting to watch a&e watch the opening acts from the side of
the stage<<

amy and sara were watching patty smith from the mixing area in the
audience!  and boy was amy enjoying it.  i spent half the time watching
her dance and smile.

i saw a guy with a tape recorder (he put it down his pants!) but no
telling if he's on the list.

the show was just awesome.  i was glad to hear secure yourself and
language or the kiss.  those were both great.

-garian

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theres a poem ill foward to the list abotu lillith

on fri, 18 jul 1997 simplegrrl@aol.com wrote:

> i heard from a friend of mine that lillith was created from the same
> *material* as adam, therefore she was *equal* to adam, neither superior or
> inferior.  what i heard was that she was forced to leave the garden because
> either adam or god had a hard time with her having equal *power* as adam.  i
> think it ends by her leaving the garden, but i don't really know.  i'd love
> to know if there are other interpretations to the story and which one is the
> *actual* story.
>
> ilana
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ive only got one question who died and made you elvis i dont see u
bitching when the indigo girls faq is mailed out to everyone when instead
the url could be posted and a message saying its been updated that takes
up less bandwith your not the list owner here yet you feel you have the
right and need to jump down everyone and their brothers throat the girls
preach tolarnce which you dont seem to have a ounce of the girls preach
not to judge yet you judge at every damn turn
he asked a simple question get over it already and im all set for your
flaming response back to me so go ahead


on fri, 18 jul 1997, kirsten chevalier wrote:

> >
> > that, and even if someone does have web access and still had the nerve to
> > bother the list with a question he could have had answered anywhere else,
> > we are usually a nice bunch of people to ask questions of, and de-lurking
> > long enough to ask that question and getting his head bitten off is not
> > nice.
> that's not the point. the point is that it's rude to ask a question to the
> list that you could have answered yourself. every message you post to the list
> takes up a little bit of processing time and disk space on a couple of
> hundred computers. translation: every message you post to the list costs
> somebody money, if not you. this is why we have traditions like trying to find
> the answer to a question yourself before you ask others, and ignorance is no
> excuse for breaking these traditions.
>
> and in response to amy's point that not everyone has web access--almost
> everyone who has email access has web access these days, and those who do not
> have actual web access still have a rudimentary form of access through
> wwwmail servers.
> kirsten
>
> --
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> "when you're lovers in a dangerous time / sometimes you're made to feel as if
> your love's a crime / but nothing worth having comes without some kind of fight
> / got to kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight."--bruce cockburn
>
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>seriously, this is a poem i recently found about lilith, by someone
>named jonelle maison.  i'm not going to kid you; some may find it
>disturbing.  i have always found it to be very intriguing and powerful,
>and strangely comforting, and i remember some listmembers asking about
>lilith a while back as well.
>
>i suggest that if you think that the poem may disturb or upset you, that
>it is better that you go on and hit the "delete" button now.  after all,
>it is time we took responsibility for our own actions, rather than
>letting someone else make the decisions for us.
>
>
>------
>
>          a hell of a woman
>
>     lilith was the first woman, made at the same time, from the
>     same stuff as adam.  so, when adam refused her equality and
>     forced her to lie under him, lilith spoke the forbidden
>     name of god and flew from eden.  in mythology she became the
>     succubus, shown as a winged woman with taloned feet.  the
>     stories differ, and i have selected from among them.
>     sanvi, snasanvi, semangelaf are the angels sent by god to
>     bring lilith back to adam.
>
>               by jonelle maison
>
>you gotta give it to lilith,
>she was a hell of a woman.
>
>said she'd rather
>fuck demons on the beach
>than lie under the belly
>of that whiner adam
>
>& flew from paradise.
>
>told god's angels to
>shove it
>when they came to get her back,
>said
>
>listen to me now, while you still can.
>the original sin was rape
>and god has chosen adam.
>
>>from here we begin.  this wound
>unhealed between man and woman
>draws out the world.
>
>i am the first woman.  and the last.
>
>my children may be sterile as raisons,
>die each evening with the sun,
>but i continue.
>
>you will see me soon, looking
>with the eyes of sweet-faced eve
>when adam breaks another covenant
>as easily as teeth break the fruit's skin.
>
>i am always here.
>justice owed
>and justice withheld.
>
>i see my place in history:
>the forgotten metaphor
>living with the beasts in the desert.
>you'll try to erase the sound of my name,
>call me witch.
>queen of ghosts. mother
>of terror.
>
>then you come here, wanting assurance
>that i will not harm adam's seed,
>will not steal from another
>woman's cradle.
>
>go ahead. write you names over
>doorways if you think it will keep them safe.
>
>sanvi.  sansanvi.  semangelaf.
>
>the syllables curl and fade,
>grow old as children.
>
>and what do you ask of me
>after the eight days have set?
>
>i am the night hag.
>
>patient as memory, i wait at the
>crossroads,
>visit your men in that dark
>they have reason to fear.
>i bring them a sleep restful as my own.
>
>go back now.  i'm through talking.
>tell god for me
>this fight goes on as long as it must.
>let him make eve, thinking to undo
>this treachery.  let him make laws
>declaring the mud's mistake.
>
>in every generation
>there is a woman
>who belongs to me.
>
>
>

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hi--random question here.  this may have been answered already long ago and
it may even be in the faq but i am going to be a rebel and risk having my
head bitten off and not look for it before posting (just jokin kristen :).

who is david kehrer and why was sots dedicated to him?

thanks --happy friday

greg

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tracy,

i'm almost a month with no response and there's nothing new
in my mail box. what is it happenning? the people for the
european eugene branch are waiting almost 40 days and
i have to give them a solution before the summer comes.


                   waiting for your reponse, ferran
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at 02:44 pm 7/18/97 -0600, mr flamer wrote:
>hi--random question here.  this may have been answered already long ago and
>it may even be in the faq but i am going to be a rebel and risk having my
>head bitten off and not look for it before posting (just jokin kristen :).
>
>who is david kehrer and why was sots dedicated to him?

because before the sex change he was lilith and helped amy find "indigo" in
the dictionary.

deb ;)

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no more please> im allllll full!

xo, sus

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yes, one of us made it to the stage!!!.  by now we've heard that
occasionally, amy and emily will need assistance from an audience member
to do justice to a song.......yeah right!  well, our very own lynn (aka
lonecoyote@aol.com or lynncar@microsoft.com or just plain lone coyote)
was just that girl!!!


night #1 champoeg - oregon  - amy side front row
lynn makes sign...."s'mores at campsite a-3?"  amy, emily, michelle, and
sulli all saw the sign and had a good laugh.

amy was on that night!  she came out with a big grin and was all smiles
throughout the whole concert!  emily was her sweet emily self.

i received a setlist from sulli that night too!  score!

night #2 champoeg - oregon - center/emily side front row
a night that lynn will never forget!  she made a follow up sign by
saying "ok...s'mores in seattle?"  - we were going to the next 3 seattle
shows...so we thought, heck it's worth a try???  however, on the back
side of the sign, lynn wrote "can i play my shaker egg with you?"  for
anybody who may be wondering what a shaker egg is......it's a percussion
instrument with bead like things inside.  lynn was very casual about the
sign and leaned it against her for them to see.

the concert was going right along and into the second song...i saw emily
point to another person in the audience who had a sign too.  i think it
said, "can i sing with you?"  i could have sworn that emily motioned to
her, nodded her head and mouthed "closer to fine".  still no big
acknowledgement of lynn's sign.  however......at the end of galileo,
emily whispered to sulli and pointed to lynn!   i had seen it but wasn't
sure if lynn had.  i later found out that lynn was in a frozen state
from the blood totally draining out of her head.  before i knew it, she
was being escorted around the back of the stage!
woohoo!  jumping right to the finale........on ctf, amy asked for the
shaker egg lady so i guess lynn has been promoted from the "software
lady" (emily gave her that title last april in eugene).  ctf was a riot!
lynn started shaking her egg next to emily and eventually moved over
for the others and conveniently placed herself between amy and emily!!!
go lynnie..go lynnie...go lynnie!!!  woohoo.

one last tender moment per lynn, through the chaos of everyone exiting
the stage, amy grabbed emily's hand and said "come on emily."  i guess
amy was trying to watch out for emily and was making sure she was ok.
is that just too sweet or what?

lynn received a set list, pick, and one of the most exciting indigo
moments!


truckin' to seattle...........

night #1 seattle pier - 2nd row emily side
the girls seemed a little off that night.  we even saw sara playing
along and looking up at the stage rafters.  i believe this was one of
the shows that amy messed up the beginning on soy.  she did that a
couple of nights, but it was funny!  i think the most memorable moment
of this concert was during ghost.  emily was tearing up and amy was
feeling the pain too. not sure whether it was emily's pain or her own.
it's hard to explain but you could feel the connection and bond those 2
must have.  i think 1/2 of the people in the first few rows had were
crying too!  waaaaa!  :(


night #2 seattle pier - 1st row - dead center
as far as the set lists, their 1st oregon show was much like the 1st
seattle show.  however this 2nd show was very different from the
previous ones.  there was a lot of interaction between emily and amy and
i felt like they were ad-libbing quite a bit.  at one point emily looked
at the set list and motioned to amy like she said no and then i believe
she mouthed "land" as in land of canaan!  i love that song!!!

night #3 seattle pier - 2nd row - dead center
yes, the last show.....we were all worried about the dreaded indigo
depression we were going to be in the following day.  i think the only
thing i have to say about this show is.....everybody rocked!!!  the
crowd was into it and it seemed like amy and emily knew that for many of
us, it would be our last night of indigoing.  work and money sure gets
in the way....if i had it my way, i'd would have been heading to park
city, utah and red rocks in colorado....


several days after the last show and i'm still singing the indigo
blues............8-(

thanks for listening!
take care - and for the other people that have just started their indigo
journey or have yet to start......have a great time!

sheri
saik0@aol.com (it's a zero at the end....not the letter "o")
or sheri@starwave.com

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hello all,

i did in fact check the lillith fair website before posting to this
list. when i was there i did not find the information that i was looking
for. it may be there, but i don't have my phd. in webbrowsing so i
couldn't find it. i did not mean to attack anyone's religion by my
post.( as some took it, my sincerest apologies). i was looking only for
information and to share what little i had on this subject with others.
i felt and still feel that this post was in keeping with the nature of
the list. however, i do believe that the faq states to send all flames
via private email.  if you feel the need to lash out at me please use
the avenues that the list endorses, private email. posting public flames
tends to have a negative effect on some peoples enjoyment of this list.

you may pour gasoline on me, heck i'll even strike the match for you,
but take it off the list, follow your own rules, mark

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date:         fri, 18 jul 1997 13:56:46 -0400
reply-to:     andy stephens <c-stephensa@mail.dec.com>
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just thought i would mention the red rocks concert last night was excellent!!

i would have never guessed such a big age range of people there.

the girls really like playing there.  they said they have a hard time playing a red rocks because it is so beautiful!!

andy stephens

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reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: lillith: a possible connection
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> that's not the point. the point is that it's rude to ask a question to the
> list that you could have answered yourself. every message you post to the list
> takes up a little bit of processing time and disk space on a couple of
> hundred computers. translation: every message you post to the list costs
> somebody money, if not you. this is why we have traditions like trying to find
> the answer to a question yourself before you ask others, and ignorance is no
> excuse for breaking these traditions.

well, unless you are yourself taking care of very little packet of
data on the net, i suggest uyou just get a little friendlier with your delete
key.  mark's request harmed no one.

>
> and in response to amy's point that not everyone has web access--almost
> everyone who has email access has web access these days, and those who do not
> have actual web access still have a rudimentary form of access through
> wwwmail servers.

this is not necessarily true.  i do customer support for a web based
news service which has several hundred thousand customers.  every single
day i talk to someone who has very little experience in navigating the
web.  all they need is someone to talk to them patiently about what needs
to be
done.  jsut being on line, doesnt mean you are on the web, and just
because you are on the web, doesnt mean you can whiz thorugh everything.
we all have to learn somehwer and somehow.  let's hav ea little
pateince, or just delete the message if it has no relevance to you.


                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
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from:         j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject:      re: lillith: a possible connection

i would just like to quietly stand up at this point and say that just maybe
not everyone has recieved the updated faq?  some people's mail servers are
very crotchety and can i just say that if i didn't have 2 names signed to the
list i would have missed the faq's, because my other screen name got the faq
but this one didn't.

and i, too, would like to know who david kehrer is.  of course, it's prolly
none of my fuzzy bizness.

i would also like to say that people who flame people for asking questions
are asking for trouble.  i'm not naming names, just making a general point.
because if nobody asked questions then nobody would ever learn anything, and
if nobody ever learned anything then our cultures would stagnate.

i would also like to say that i think now looks to me like a good time for
this topic to die.

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism

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on 07/18/97, j tigger kickliter  said:

>and i, too, would like to know who david kehrer is.  of course, it's
>prolly none of my fuzzy bizness.

i agree about the fuzzy biz part, but once when i was just hashing out the
cd sots with some fuzzy friends, we all sort of came to the conclusion
that pehaps (**perhaps** being the key word here) david is a friend of a
&e's that passed away from aids. and that maybe he is the kermit voice on
the end of hkf.

but who knows. you can take things a bagoollion different ways.....

off to drool over jodie in contact,
-liz-

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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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              "mark anthony donajkowski" at jul 18, 97 3:27 pm

>
> ive only got one question who died and made you elvis i dont see u
> bitching when the indigo girls faq is mailed out to everyone when instead
> the url could be posted and a message saying its been updated that takes
> up less bandwith your not the list owner here yet you feel you have the
> right and need to jump down everyone and their brothers throat the girls
> preach tolarnce which you dont seem to have a ounce of the girls preach
> not to judge yet you judge at every damn turn
> he asked a simple question get over it already and im all set for your
> flaming response back to me so go ahead
>
i think i'll paint the ceiling with indigo-colored cat food.
kirsten

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/ got to kick at the darkness 'til it bleeds daylight."--bruce cockburn

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              kickliter" at jul 18, 97 6:10 pm

>  because if nobody asked questions then nobody would ever learn anything, and
> if nobody ever learned anything then our cultures would stagnate.
>
but if everyone posted every question they could think of to the list without
bothering to try to find the answer themselves, the list would become unusable.
the idea that you should try to find the answer yourself before asking others
for help has been around as long as electronic fora have; rules don't last that
long without good reason.

i'm sure everyone will be glad to hear that that's the last word i'm going to
say about this topic.
kirsten

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subject:      stage one
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i mailed the list out, but i'm not sure you all got it, so here it is
again, just in case. my computer said something about my mail server
rejecting some of my designated recipients, so here it is yet again. sorry
it's late, i have been having problem with my computer today. i think it's
beginning to listen to reason finally.

good luck
happy hunting

let the games begin!!

stoka
the game master!
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some of these are flat out items, some are clues to
items. i will give out one hint for riddle items by
personal e-mail request only. good luck, happy hunting,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. may amy and emily smile
upon you during your quest. don't forget! number your
pictures on the back so i know what clue it goes with.

stoka
the game master!


indigo girls scavenger hunt stage one list
    strange fire/self-titled album era
------------------------------------------
1. the insesnce of my soul
2. calvary
3. a message of love
4. look to the moon
5. gray is here to stay
6. dry your eyes
7. only made of shadows
8. empty as a shell
9. an empty pool
10. as brilliant as a star
11. michelle malone on i don't wanna know
12. jesus candle (hey jesus)
13. walk away
14. greener pastures
15. chip on my shoulder
16. black mask
17. lottery ticket
18. empty hands
19. throwing stones
20. wrapped my fear around me like
21. thirsty?
22. a bar at 3 am
23. to bury you
24. secure yourself
25. flowers for the ones you've known
26. we know the price now
27. i asked my father
28. brrrrrriiiinggg!
29. i have spent nights
30. these flowers are fatal, but festive.
    free clue!: 'tis the season!
31. a postcard you might get from the queen
32. digital coutrements
33. john stamos, bob saget, candace cameron
    and those godforsaken olsen twins
34. the living god called here
35. ricola!
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: lillith: a possible connection
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>
> > i don't think it's unreasonable to expect people to try doing a web search
> > (which, of course, would have located the lf web site immediately) before they
> > pose a question to the list. that's all.
>
> except for the simple fact that not everyone has web access.

i totally agree with amy -- remember -- just because people have seen it on
tv or use it at school does not mean they can use a search engine -- quite
the opposite in (at least what i have dealt with) maine - where someone may
use a bbs with internet mail but no ftp/www/telnet access, actually i don't
think my highschool where i went is wired up....besides the www is really
getting to be a high end computer thing, so even if you can run lynx, you
may not be able to pull the information off a site which uses java or  a
great deal of bandwidth which requires more than a 14.4 modem...

geez i remember when usenet news was far more pervasive for info than the
web was...the times are a changin'

mike r.

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im looking for the lady responsible for organizing amys hth b-day
presentation. i have a few questions for you if you could write me back
that would be great. i lost your address a few months back. thank you very
much. lauren

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subject:      nigc:  searching for patty from texas

hello everyone!

i'm so terribly sorry for wasting bandwidth, but i'm desperately looking for
patty from houston, texas.

patty, please email me asap!!

thanks!!

lisa
memememi@aol.com

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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: lillith: a possible connection
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on fri, 18 jul 1997, kirsten chevalier wrote:

> >
> > ive only got one question who died and made you elvis i dont see u
> > bitching when the indigo girls faq is mailed out to everyone when instead
> > the url could be posted and a message saying its been updated that takes
> > up less bandwith your not the list owner here yet you feel you have the
> > right and need to jump down everyone and their brothers throat the girls
> > preach tolarnce which you dont seem to have a ounce of the girls preach
> > not to judge yet you judge at every damn turn
> > he asked a simple question get over it already and im all set for your
> > flaming response back to me so go ahead
> >
> i think i'll paint the ceiling with indigo-colored cat food.
> kirsten
yes thats right when your put in your place and proven wrong just ignore
it and live in your own little indigo maybe you will use that same sense
and be more tolerant of others next time

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reply-to:     mmedido@aol.com
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from:         mmedido@aol.com
subject:      re: red rocks

in a message dated 97-07-18 15:22:57 edt, you write:

<< >>3.  getting to watch a&e watch the opening acts from the side of
the stage<<

amy and sara were watching patty smith from the mixing area in the
audience!  and boy was amy enjoying it.  i spent half the time watching
her dance and smile. >>

patti smith ???????? as in ... the mother of punk ?
as in ... "i saw horses, horses, horses, horses...do you know how to
ponaaaay ??? ponaaaay maronaaaay..."
are you pulling my leg ??????????
i must know !!!
miss b.

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subject:      re: lillith: a possible connection

in a message dated 97-07-18 13:53:51 edt, kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu writes:

<<
that's not the point. the point is that it's rude to ask a question to the
list that you could have answered yourself. every message you post to the
list
takes up a little bit of processing time and disk space on a couple of
hundred computers. translation: every message you post to the list costs
somebody money, if not you. this is why we have traditions like trying to
find
the answer to a question yourself before you ask others, and ignorance is no
excuse for breaking these traditions.
  >>

personally, i find the sarcasm and smugness in some of your posts a more
serious waste of my connect time than innocent questions that may have been
previously answered. but thanks for worrying about my processing time anyway.

karen

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okay everyone,

i'm going to put my foot down and ask you all (in the nicest
possible way, of course) to please stop with all the flaming
regarding the lilith fair thing.  enough already.  i won't
even attempt to untangle the web of who was right and who was
wrong to post what where, but if you really want to keep
discussing this you should take it to private email.

i would like to suggest that instead of flaming, everyone
should go out and buy the new dar williams album, or if you've
already got a copy go listen to it a few dozen times.  you'll be
a better person for it. :)  "end of the summer" and "shaming of
the sun" are going to be ranking equal first on my "top 10 albums
of 1997" list, i can just tell.  what a fine piece of work.

<subliminal message: go buy the new dar williams album now!>

happy happy folks,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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  we're born to radiate.
  we're born to live, we're born to love,
  we're born to never hate..."     - shawn mullins

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subject:      san diego and la boots?

hi,  sorry if this question has already been answered but i was just curious
to know if the sd and or la shows were successfully booted? anyone? :)
this was the first time my friend and i were able to see "the girls" live!.
they are incredible!,  but then again i guess you all knew that already ;)
anyway i would do almost anything for a copy so if you could let me know i'd
appreciate it .:)

thanks,
peace
cyprs

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i have received over 60 replies to my offer of the berkeley boots, and
while discussing tape copying with some people, i've discovered there is
some confusion about (1) tape types, (2) hi-speed dubbing, and (3) dolby.

in the interest of minimizing list bandwidth, i will simply summarize here
my opinions about the three topics above, and invite those interested in
more detail to write me privately.

1.  tape types - there are three tape types:

    1.  normal or 'type i'     low-bias
    2.  chrome or 'type ii'    high-bias
    3.  metal  or 'type iv'    high-bias

    use normal, whenever possible... if your leaf can only use normal tape,
                then your source tape must be normal (unless your dubbing
                equipment allows mixing tape types while copying... and
                most dubbing decks do *not* allow mixing tape types.

                remember, not all decks can play high-bias tapes properly,
                much less record high-bias tapes... copying for the lowest
                common denominator is sometimes the best strategy.

2.  hi-speed dubbing - i have only one thing to say... never use it!

                yes, it saves you time, but it makes seriously degraded
                copies... i can usually tell with just a few moments of
                listening if i've received a tape made with high-speed
                dubbing... do your leaves a favor... don't ever use it.

3.  dolby - not an easy-to-explain subject, but once again, do not use it
                unless (1) your leaf specifically requests (demands) it,
                and (2) you make sure they know what they're getting...

                branches should never use dolby unless they have *two*
                tape decks for making copies, know what dolby does to a
                taped program, and have the ability to make copies with
                dolby off (while their source tape has dolby on).

                if your branch tape is made with dolby on, you  *may*  be
                degrading the sound for everyone who gets copies from you.

i realize this post (especially the dolby comments) may not be completely
clear to everyone, and i welcome your questions via private email.

three more things:

1.  ignoring these suggestions will *not* make your tapes bad.

    it just makes them not-as-good-as-they-could-be... but if everyone
    in the tape-copy chain ignores these suggestions, the tape quality
    degrades very quickly.

2.  a most important issue regarding good tape copies *may* be to keep your
    tape heads and capstan rollers clean.  while not the *best* way to keep
    your equipment clean, those little tape-cleaning kits found at tower,
    sam goody, wherehouse, best buy, etc can perform near miracles on a
    dirty tape deck... these kits contain a tape cassette with felt pads,
    and a small bottle of cleaner... be sure to follow directions, and if
    you wish to know about better products, write me privately.

3.  it is a *myth* that every tape generation produces degraded quality.

    it is possible to *enhance* a copy, making it sound *better* than
    the original... and i've done it for several people on this list...
    but you need two separate tape decks and some special techniques.

    however, even using a dubbing deck you can, with care, make copies
    which sound as good as the original... at least to most ears.

i welcome questions by private email, and i'm happy to discuss your
specific equipment... if you include the subject line above (just reply,
and the subject line will be included), it will help me filter your email
to a special folder so i can find your mail amongst the 300-400 messages
i get each day.

john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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date:         sat, 19 jul 1997 10:03:18 -0500
reply-to:     hugh barroll <hugh404@ix.netcom.com>
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> amy and sara were watching patty smith from the mixing area in the
> audience!  and boy was amy enjoying it.  i spent half the time
watching
> her dance and smile. >>
>

on a semi-related point, patti's dancing barefoot was part of the
between sets music at the sunday berkeley show.  remember the amy
barefoot thread?

hugh barroll

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subject:      lilith-goers (sorta kinda igc)

hi listees :)
i don't post very often, but i have a request.  i was flipping through the
channels, and i saw a little blip about lf on mtv.  it looked pretty loose,
not very crowded, just people lounging around on blankets...and that was
fairly near the front.  so here's my question...how many of you have been to
lf shows, and how was it?  i'm going on aug. 20, and i'm wondering how early
to get in line, ect.  i realize that not all the shows are the same, (the one
i'm going to in mn is all general admission) but i just want a general idea.
thanks!!

here's the igc...i've had 2 ig dreams since that thread...in one, the girls
came over to my house and started planting flowers in my garden (ok...) and
in the other i was in the studio with them (?) and i started cracking my
knuckles, and emily was like "that's a really bad habit...amy can show you
how to stop doing that"  and then i woke up... (darn it all...i always wake
up right before the good part..)  ;)

thanks for listening,
jen  :-)

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date:         sat, 19 jul 1997 13:25:11 -0400
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from:         "elizabeth m. bolles" <wishmonstr@aol.com>
subject:      hey kind friend guitar thing

i just mailed out the text file of hkf to the following people.  if your name
is not on the list and you would like the tab, e-mail one of these people,
not me.  i'm going away in a few hours and won't return for a month.  if your
name is here, but incorrectly spelled, or something, again: e-mail one of
these people, *not me*.  thanks! =) :

grnpeace@fullnet.com, robyn1970, dozy411@webspan.net, ndygotiggr,
canteloj@juno.com, nfessler@indiana.edu, abaroo@execpc.com,
lturcotte@star.net, gt637b@prism.gatech.edu, donrich@neo.lrun.com,
indigopony, alisonk@vnet.ibm.com, botany07, sb2@axe.humbolt.edu,
sstetler@jeffco.k12.co.us, egg@u.washington.edu, haldridge@gems.vcu.edu,
kathrinsiegmund@compuserve.com, mdynes@sympatico.ca, leonard-rappa@smh.com,
shaps1@ecl.wustl.edu, gkeyt@paul.spu,edu, claudine@cableinet.co.uk,
cblakey070

-elizabeth

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hi all,
the ig tribute cd/recording project has been cancelled due to
overwhelming apathy and lack of interest, i am sorry to report. hey
kids, i think we missed a great opportunity. oh well, maybe later....

peace,
suzanne

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hi,
i know jessica posted earlier about who was going to the lilith show on
august 8th. i was wondering, those of you who are, do we want to try to
set up some sort of "official" meeting place/time, or a get together or
something? i would be happy to help organize. please mail me privately.

thanks,
suzanne     mailto:suzanneglass@geocities.com?subject=deercreek

http://www.suzanneglass.com

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subject:      i second that thought...
x-to:         sherlyn@fl.net.au
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the new dar cd is unbelieveable!!! i bought it yesterday and wasd up half
the night listening to it -- i have never been that moved by such an album
since t. chapman's last release, and maybe rop. i know i need to see her
again -- dont know if i'm willing to wait till the somerville show...anyone
want to start "let's get reynolds to newport this year" fund?? actually
travel arrangements and places t ocrash would be fine --- i dont know if i
can go as i am trying to work out another trip (ani @ tanglewood -- any
listee's going???)

mike r.

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the indigo girls are on the cover of the september 1997 issue of acoustic
guitar magazine; inside is a nice, long interview and a transcription to
dgtgag.  in it the words are printed as "she's already won", perhaps
bringing some closure to a debate that raged for a while on this list.
if you don't subscribe, you might want to get a copy of this issue at
your local bookstore.

best wishes,
--nick

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hi folks,
recently i was trading ig cals.for boots, which was very cool, a great big
thanks to all those who traded w/me! i ended up w/more cool music than i
could listen to for a long time since i'm trying to get ready for a move and
such. but, i still have around 30+ ig cals that i'd love to give to listees
who don't have them yet.  if you don't and you want one, here's what you do:
1) email me and tell me you're interested 2) send a sase, large enough to
fit something the size of the insert to a cd jewel case, which is exactly
how large the cals are. i was sticking 55 cents on 'em to send, so that's
probably what you want on your sase. my snail addy:

lisa tatonetti
822 n park st.
columbus, oh 43215

i'm out of town for the last week of july, so i'll be sending them before
and after that.  i'll post to the list when the offer is completed.
happy day,
lisa


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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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just a note to make sure that you all got the list. if you have not yet
recieved the list, private mail me back and i will send it to you again. i
have been having a spot of trouble with my mail server, so i apologize in
advance for any problems i may have during the game.

stoka
the game master!

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hey all! week in rock on mtv just got done covering the lilith fair concert
in st. louis.  they mentioned who was going to be playing in the next few
concerts, and they showed a brief shot of none other than ig.  they also
went to commercial on soy.  they talked about how the name came to be with
sarah, and also spoke with fiona apple.  this is the first time i have seen
ig mentioned with lilith fair and on mtv.  oh what a day.

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"majoring in religion, listening to t.v. evangelists interpret the scriptures
and dictate my offerings- i found my god in myself, around myself- in
every moment and piece of matter.  everything is animate."   a. ray

"don't critisize what you can't understand."  b.dylan
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                                                   -kate

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today i finally made the trip to rdr before they closed to see what it
was all about.  it was pretty cool, a large local section.  i looked and
looked for the ig section before i finally asked, and the lady said she
didn't carry them anymore.  when i asked why, she was short about it and
said that they stopped carrying them for personal, and not business
reasons.  it was strange, so i'm wondering why.  i'm sure this has been
discussed before on here, and if so, sorry for the redundancy.
thanks alot,
david

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hi,

could someone please tell me how many shows
the girls have played on this leg of the tour.

also, has anyone counted how many guitars and
stringed instruments they have onstage.

and finally, for clarity sake, is it amy who has
the 1969 fender strat and emily has the 1958 one?

thanks.....tt

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wishmonstr@aol.com wrote:
>
> hello ~
>


- snip-
>okay, enjoy, and send indigo vibes my way
> because i'm off to camp to be a counselor trainee at camp and am scared about
> if i'll be loved of feared by all the littler campers . . . +)
>
> -elizabeth

- you're definitely gonna' be loved by all the little campers, ... and
us big campers too :)  thanks very much for all your hard work on hey
kind friend and for sharing it.

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subject:      attn: greta gohn...nigc

hey-

i was just wondering if you ever got my tape from a while ago that i sent for
you to dub for me?  i think it was a red rocks boot.  thanks, let me know :)

liz

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i just had to share with all of you that my beloved "pinky" (my, or should
i say my-ex, awesome 7th row, center section ticket to the chicago lf show)
is now on it's way to a new home in chicago. sue kwan promised a happy and
loving home and after much soul-searching (and a check :) i took her up on
her offer.

i am sad but i know it was the right thing to do. the dogs are of course
crushed and there was a silence around the homestead tonight that hasn't
been felt in years. i tried to prepare sue for pinky's arrival as much as
possible. i told her that he really enjoys chinese food and she said that
was perfect seeing as she happens to be chinese and tends to eat it quite
often. of course in her household it's just known as "food". and the
heavens must be in a good alignment because sue lives on a street named
"marquette" and i work for a company named "marquette." so perhaps pinky
was just meant to be with sue.

still, i'm having trouble letting go. he was the perfect ticket and i can
only pray that another of his caliber finds his way into my life again. i
don't know if i will ever get over this loss (heavy sigh). excuse me, i
need to go listen to "secure yourself" another 20 times before crying
myself to sleep.

deb :,(

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i've been away from my computer for awhile but i wanted to add a brief
word of praise for michelle malone's "new" album, "beneath the devil moon"
(new is in quotes because my understanding is this album hs been in the
works and various stages of revision for a couple of years now.) folks, it
rocks!

in other news, i had the very great pleasure of seeing the marveluosly
talented and infinitely likeable caroline aiken perform here on long
island this past thursday night.  this was a first for me and boy was i
ever glad i went.  she was at this bar in huntington, canterbury ales
where apparantly she had played with a band she was in in junior high
school or high school.  i had no idea she had ever lived on long island.
of course i didn't much at all about her except that i had heard
wonderful things about her here on this list.  every word of it true.
   caroline is brilliant.  a kickass guitar player (love the bass she gets
from that 12-string !!!), agreat voice, witty, friendly, just an absolute
delight to listen to and to talk to.  she had her daughter, page with her
who came up and did a michelle malone song with mom on guitar (the
greatest show on earth) and an a capella "leviathan."  not half bad.
     funny thing, the first person i see when i walk in the door is this
women, julia who i had met and sat next to last month at the mm show in
ny.  andi and audrey, you guys know who i'm talking about.  so that was
kinda fun.
    also performing was awoman by the name of julie hoest (sp?) who had
just played some folk festival in pa with caroline and who i think waw
the owner of this bar's sister.  i was pretty impressed.  but then anyone
who plays a halfway decent slide guitar gets thumbs up in my book.  but
really, she was good.

so that's it folks.  go buy michelle's album.  caroline's "butler field"
is also wonderful.  i also picked up her live at the attic cd after
julia talked me into it.  i hadn't really planned on spending quite that
much money in one night, but hey, it's good stuff.


g'night all.


      -colleen

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hello! =)
      okay, here's the list of people from whom i've received orders/funds
thus far.  if you're not on it and you've already sent yours out, you're
fine.  if you're not on it and you haven't, please do so asap. =)  if you're
on it and you haven't sent any money, maybe you shouldn't tell me because
you'll be getting a free cd by accident! ;)  i know a lot more of you wrote
to me than this, so get on it! :0  talk to you soon! =)  peace, love, and
butter biscuits, sarah

rachel b.
katy w.
carrie m.
nicle y.
claudine l.
sharon j.
jessica s.
annie l.
morgan t.

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hello my faithful ig friends!  i am checking into my e-mail for once this
summer and again had to check in with y'all.  i saw our lovely girls in
berkeley on july 5 and of course, am looking for the boot.  my sister saw
them in la on july 2nd and i'm looking for that one too, because i hear
they did tangled up in blue and i have a really good friend who needs to
hear it.  if you know anything about these 2 shows, or hear anything
within the next month or so, e-mail me!

love to all!
marianne
the lone coyote

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/_\     hate me cause i'm different, hate me cause i'm gay
((      truth of the matter come around one day,
         and it's alright."
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in a message dated 97-07-20 01:42:20 edt, cec8@cornell.edu (colleen caffrey)
writes:

<< i wanted to add a brief
word of praise for michelle malone's "new" album, "beneath the devil moon"
(new is in quotes because my understanding is this album hs been in the
works and various stages of revision for a couple of years now.) folks, it
rocks! >>

hi all,  just wanted to ad my .02cnts on this sentiment and agree 1000
percent.  michelle malone has one of the most incredible voices i've heard in
a long time.  i was blessed by the "great music spirit" and was lucky enough
to see her peform with the indigo girls at both the la show and the berkeley
show.  "wild horses" was awesome both nights, but my personal preference was
at the berkeley show.  michelle was singing the hell out of that song.  even
emily was impressed and commented  something to the effect " michelle can
sing,  god!"  it was great!

ok , ok,  i'll quit rambling ;).  if you get the opportunity check her out
and buy the cd.  the only place i was able to find it was tower records.

good night to all,
peace,

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hey all,
the offer actually lasted for an entire 12 hours.  i'm pretty surprised.  i
was happy to see some digest folks got in on it, 'cause i had forgotten to
plan for that.  all 41 calendars are off to good homes on the list, now, so
the offers closed. now i'm off to wait for my soon to be overworked
postperson. :) well, actually, i'm off to see ulee's gold w/twink, 'cause
it's still too hot in columbus to play outside and the movie theater,
*unlike* my apartment, has air.
peace,
lisa


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this is my first post on the list so hi to everyone.  i'm an isolated fan
in northern nh -- (not so isolated thanks to a couple of listers) and for
awhile i was involved with a great mail order place out of california --
music for the masses.  they offered ig cds, videos, laminated backstage
passes, guitar picks, posters, etc -- along with those of other female
talents -- very fairly priced and rebecca, the owner was a peach!  she
has since closed shop.  i was wondering if there's anything else like
this around?  thanks.

"rain soaked and voice choked like silent screaming in a dream
i search for our absolute distinction
not content to bow and bend
to the whims of culture that swoop like vultures
eating us away, eating us away
eating us away to our extinction."

faye

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so i signed off the list for awhile cause of personal stuff..but missed
all the happenings so figured.."what the hey" lets see what the kids are
up to"..
signed back on just in time to catch up on the latest "bickering" about
who gets to decide if a listee can ask a question and then the ton of
flamage about who was right and who was wrong..kinda like christmas
dinner and aunt sue and aunt martha are bickering about who really ate
that last piece of fudge back in 1945....its so good to be home..
look out kids..moms' back

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hey all,

just a short post to ask if anyone recalls seeing or reading a post called
"covers."  i sent it out about a week ago.  if you saw it, let me know.
thanks!  peace, melissa

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i was scrolling through guitar tab archives this morning and came across an
emily song called "half moon cafe" that i had not heard of before.  does
anyone know if this refers to the half moon cafe in new orleans?  any other
info about the significance of this song?  does this song appear on a boot
or one of the pre-sf albums?  thanks for any info - amy

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those of us who went to red rocks have been a little lax about the
reviews!  so here is my attempt, anyone else who was there please join in
if you have something to add.

i am not very good at remembering set lists and i was too wired to take
the time to write them down.  patty smith totally rocked.  she ended with
gloria on thurs. and not fade away (is that the name of that song?) on fri.

thursday songs:  everything from sots except batl and hkf.  amy was just
scorching on cut it out and dgtgag.  i got tears in my eyes during dgtgag.
okay, they opened with secure yourself, then tried to be true.  it was a
real night for the people who love the self-titled because they also
played land of canaan, and of course closer to fine from that album.
since michelle malone was there they also played tangled up in blue and
did wild horses in the encore.  they had a guest guy on piano who did
language or the kiss which also gave me tears in my eyes.  ummm, what
else?  of course galileo.  i can't think of anything else.  oh, chickenman
with the buzzard part.  and her soc in scooter boys was great too.  she
said, "we got all these houses going up but then we say there's no room."
in the denver suburbs there are endless rows of those subdivisions where
every house looks exactly the same. there is a ton of construction all
the time.
oh yeah, and redemption songs with emily on piano right after leeds.

i thought the crowds were great.  i was a little annoyed at the woman in
front of us on thursday who was saving 20 (!) seats, no exaggeration.  i
know dear abby disapproves of saving more than one seat at a time, but
i guess we all don't read dear abby anymore.  i just sat there and felt
mild resentment at the people who got to sit in the fifth row, freshly
showered and not sunburned from waiting 10 hours... but i forgot all about
it once a+e took the stage. the crowds stood (only sitting for leeds
& redemptions songs) and danced and sang; it was wonderful.

friday songs:  everything from sots except batl, cio (i was disappointed)
and hkf.  once again galileo, ctf and redemption songs.  they opened with
mystery and then three hits.  in chickenman they did the thing where emily
sings part of fleetwood mac's changes.  oh and amy also did that sad-eyed
soldiers thing. they did bury my heart at wounded knee which was a wonderful
surprise.  they said it was a special request from one of the techies. it
was so awesome. i was really excited to hear that one.  oh and thin line!
i love that one, too.  they did it a little harder, it was great.  power
of two--i think they did that both nights also.

emily commented that she can never seem to drink enough water when she's
in colorado.  some of my group thought she seemed a little more tired than
amy.  they both thanked us numerous times for singing ("like angels") and
for "listening so good."  they both also expressed their amazement and
excitement at getting to follow patti smith.  amusingly, in patti's set on
fri. she started to dedicate a song to the ig...  she goes, "this song
goes out to..."  turns to her left and asks (audibly), "what's their
names?"  then, "oh, amy and emily."  on friday patti opened with a
dramatic reading from allen ginsberg's howl.  i think that got people's
attention.  but she wasn't quite as spazzy as on thursday when she climbed
all over the gates and equipment and lay down on the stage.  i think she
shocked the audience into attention.  i don't think some people were ready
for her.

some other cute things:  they mentioned that since this was the last night
of this leg of their tour, the crew was playing practical jokes.  for the
setlist, they wrote made up titles to the songs.  emily mentioned that
they called gotm, "i'm lost."  also, amy left the stage for a little while
(we're pretty sure that she needed to use the bathroom), so emily chatted
with the audience.  someone yelled "play songbird!" and she goes, "hmmm,
play songbird...?  oh look everybody, amy's back!!!"

michelle malone was not there on friday night.  instead it was a local
riot grrl band called the hectics.  they played that really loud, really
fast speed metal kind of stuff.  we all thought they were good for that
genre of music (i still had to wear ear plugs though, whoa!).  the lead
singer/ guitar player and the bass player were
two really cute women.  the ig were off stage during the set and i swear
that emily was wearing a michelle malone #5 vee-neck, but then traded
shirts with josh before taking the stage.

sorry this is so scattery...
i can't think of anything else, but i can tell you that i was so happy.
now i am trying to figure out how to road trip for more!

-garian

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hey all,
for those of you who are interested, kd lang is gonna be on pbs monday at
9pm.  that's actually the listing for opb in oregon, so you might want to
double check your local listings.  the program is night at the pops, or
something like that.
java

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i know this is so off topic but i have no experience with perl and i want to
compile a message board for one of my web sites..i guess it is easy if you
can program (i know a little c++,) but am clueless as to make a cgi-bin
directory, ect... if you can help, i know my server does run cgi-bin stuff,
or if you know of a free message forum hosting service, let me know
thanks
mike r.

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forgive me for posting yet another request for ppv to the list but 1) i am
about a month behind in reading the digest and just catching up and 2) i am
one of those unfortunate souls who was unable to get the show from my cable
company. :(  so if anyone is willing and able to help me get a copy of the
ppv show i would be most appreciative....and i'd be happy to do a trade with
you....please e-mail me at cojehali@aol.com.....thanks! :)

-connie

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i'm finally beginning another round of revision/updating of color me
indigo....anyone with a web site not currently listed in the "kind
friends" section who wants it included, just take a look at the site and
send me your info.

....audrey

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subject:      igc - collectibles

hi all!

i just got back from a music collectors show ("music lust") and managed
to pick up an unopened limited edition vinyl lp of so.  both the bottom
right and left corners are dinked and worn where the cellophane has small
tears in it.  otherwise it is in excellent shape. there is a round white
sticker on the cover that says "limited edition lp - inside personally
autographed by indigo girls" and shows a & e's sigs in the middle.  i
paid $12 for it.  i also picked up a vinyl lp of ig. open, excellent
condition, "for promotion only" gold stamp on back over upc symbol.  paid
$5 and change (w/ tax) for that.  i'm just wondering if i got good, bad
or mediocre deals on these and if the promo only stamp on the ig record
increases its value at all?  any info would be greatly appreciated.
thanks!


tuesday's child

charter member -- yknib ssim fan club

"i'm starting to get over the urge to kill somebody..."  --  ani


p.s.  what's a good price for shades of indigo vinyl?  might be able to
get my hands on one.

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hi again,

i got a failure error so i don't know if this
post got through so i'm sorry if it is redundant.

***
could someone please tell me how many shows
the girls have played on this leg of the tour.

also, has anyone counted how many guitars and
stringed instruments they have onstage.

and finally, for clarity sake, is it amy who has
the 1969 fender strat and emily has the 1958 one?

thanks.....tt

***

p.s.

"songbird" is a fleetwood mac song that emily
sometimes plays at soundcheck.  she also occasionally
plays fleetwood mac's "landslide" during "chickenman"

she did it the final night a red rocks and the whole
audience sang along.  as a big fleetwood mac fan i
was, needless to say tickled pink.  :-)

bye...

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hi,

by chance did anyone record patti smith's
two shows when she opened for the girls on
thursday and friday at red rocks???

tt

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i don't have any details, but according to the borders website
(http://www.borders.com/events/lilith.html), it looks as though ig's may
be doing some sort of an in-store appearance at borders books & music in
chicago on aug. 9 (in connection with lilith fair).  that's all the
details i have, so those of y'all in or near chicago may want to call
borders and find out what's up.

some other artists of interest will be appearing at various borders
stores in connection with lilith fair as well, so check out the site and
see if anybody's showing up near you.

-anne in indiana
who isn't trying to plug borders 'cause she likes independent bookstores
better
(and who is extremely bummed about not going to lilith fair due to lack
of anyone to go with & the necessity of showing up 150 miles north of
indy sometime that night anyhow, for a saturday wedding :( )

"we need new words/ for what this is, this hunger entering our/ loneliness
  like birds, stunning our eyes into rays/ of hope. we need the flutter that
  can save/ us, something that will swirl across the face/ of what we have
          become and bring us grace."  --lucille clifton, "blake"
*** anne haines ** ahaines@indiana.edu ** http://php.indiana.edu/~ahaines ***

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hello everyone,

        well i'm going to see the girls for the second
time in my life at the lilith fair in charlotte on the
31st of this month and i'm so excited i can hardly contain
myself. i'm also going to see red letter day while i'm there.
the girls my friend and i are staying with know rld and they
are going to introduce us.
        anyway enough of my happy babble, what i was wondering
was if anyone else was going and if there will be some sort of
get together?
        if so let me know!
i'm hooked!
cindy

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in a message dated 7/20/97 8:19:48 pm, ahaines@copper.ucs.indiana.edu wrote:

<<i don't have any details, but according to the borders website

(http://www.borders.com/events/lilith.html), it looks as though ig's may

be doing some sort of an in-store appearance at borders books & music in

chicago on aug. 9 (in connection with lilith fair).  that's all the

details i have, so those of y'all in or near chicago may want to call

borders and find out what's up.>>

aaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*ahem*  'scuse me.  this chicagoan, who has frequented every border's in a 50
mile radius, will be on a pre-planned vacation 800 miles away on august 9th.
i thought i had already mourned missing lilith fair. :(   didja hafta go &
rub salt into that wound?

did i say vacation?  how ironic.
dee

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hi

for those of you who may be interested, i have been focusing on the site a
lot the last few months and am very pleased to say there is a lot of new
material there with more on the way.

as of now there are:
288 articles
165 lyrics
369 setlists
and a fairly comprehensive list of all shows since 1988

so, if you are interested in reading and learning more about  indigo girls,
there is a lot of information waiting for you.  the address is:

www.hidwater.com/lifeblood

in addition, i am doing some research on some of the older shows and am
trying to find anyone out there who might have saved posts off the old or
current ig lists.

have a super day and have fun with the archive, i will be continuing to add
more files on a weekly basis for hopefully some time to come.

carolyn

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i have two extra tickets for the lf in atlanta on august 1, 1997.

i will sell them for their face value of $44.00 each.

this is the schedule of events i got off the web a few weeks ago:

kelly willis 4:30 pm
abra moore 5:10 pm
fiona apple 5:50 pm
suzanna hoffs 6:35 pm
emmylou harris 7:15 pm
joan osborne 8:05 pm
jewel 9:00 pm
sarah mclachlan 10:10 pm

this is the lakewood amphitheatre-- section 102, row t.  i believe these
are fairly good seats, but you might should check a seating map.

let me know if interested,
casey

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okay, apparently there is some kind of problem with my mail server so
here's what i'm gonna do; this message is followed by a list of names and
e-mail addresses that are on the sign up list. find your name, make sure i
have your correct address, and then mail me back, wether it's correct or
not. just a basic confirmation. thanks and happy hunting!

stoka
the game master!


gwen = juljo3a@prodigy.com
abby = abby493@aol.com
m.anderson = anderson@biostat.washington.edu
tigger = ndygotiggr@aol.com
llana = simplegrrl@aol.com
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heather = jofarn@ny.frontiercomm.net
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dynan, mary beth-i.s. = dynan.marybeth@mgh.harvard.edu
amy c. rush = amyrush@juno.com
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subject:      another gold record

billboard recently reported that shaming of the sun
went gold (sales of 500,000).  this makes ig's sixth
studio gold and seventh epic gold record overall.

if you count the film soundtrack contributions to
philadelphia and boys on the side, it makes 9 gold
records for amy and emily.

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date:         sun, 20 jul 1997 21:45:05 -0700
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we are fortunate ones~ (i swear! :)

        here's the partial austin (backyard) 6/27/97 boot offer.  the tape
was confiscated and broken by a ruthless security guard at the concert, but
subsequently rescued, spliced, and re-wound by the amazing trant batey :)
trant is saving the original copy for the women who recorded it, yet who
presumably don't know a working copy of the boot exists....so thank them in
your heart for this fortunate outcome!! :)

        the austin portion of the tape has maybe 3 rather unobtrusive breaks
in it...except for the abrupt ending during the middle of an amazing version
of chickenman --- oh well!! ;)  the austin portion fits on one side of a 90
minute tape and i recorded one side from the lehigh university 4/27/95 show
on the flop side.

        here is the song list: (90 minutes total)

side a - austin, tx 6/27/97 - the backyard

        thin line, get out the map, hey kind friend, it's alright, dgtgag,
everything in it's own time (cut), shed your skin, tried to be true,
galileo, chickenman (cut)

side b - lehigh university 4/27/95 - stabler arena

        joking, the wood song, secure yourself, you and me of the 10,000
wars, reunion (cut), fugitive, least complicated, kid fears, crazy game

        here are the branches to whom i have already sent copies of the boot
(i will update this list as more branches become available :)

        alexandra at: aaogilvie@aol.com
        carloine at: hac@quiknet.com
        jen at: xg1rl@aol.com
        tigger at: ndygotiggr@aol.com

        if you are interested in obtaining a copy of this bootleg, please
contact one of the above branches and arrange to send them a 90 minute blank
tape along with a sase.

happy listening!
the poultry dude~


i       tony, da chickenman - houston, texas, usa       g
n                                                       i
d       not content to bow and bend to the whims        r
i       of culture that swoop like vultures eating      l
g       us away to our extinction -  emily saliers      s
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hi ya'll..
i'm unsubsribed, but there is some igc in here..
very little and it's long so i definitely hit the nigc
flame away at me... i wont get it unless you send it direct!
sent to me by a friend who also gave me her book to read..
bit biting and sarcastic, but i love the way she writes
and when did tracy pick up a derigedoo(sp)?? (slobber!!)
l'anj
ps the website is at the end.. read her other stuff, she's so cool!

> >      s e x p e r t   o p i n i o n   b y   s u s i e   b r i g h t
> >
> >                         lilith vs. dyke-o-rama:
> >                               no contest
> >                            _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
> >               ok i admit it. i fell for the hype at the
> >               very last minute. after hearing about the
> >               lilith festival for months, i bought this
> >               summer's hot concert ticket to see every
> >               pseudo-feminist chick singer-songwriter
> >               in heavy mtv rotation. at first glance,
> >               lilith turned me off, what with their
> >               lacy, renaissance faire-style advertising
> >               pledging their hearts to a "celebration
> >               of women in music." so wholesome! such
> >               earnest femininity! i felt like i was
> >               being solicited by the folk-rock
> >               equivalent of a girl scout troop.
> >
> >               but on the eve of their appearance at the
> >               shoreline amphitheater near san
> >               francisco, it hit me that the most
> >               exciting part of lilith wasn't the
> >               artists, but the fans. the origin of the
> >               boom in women rockers -- those
> >               self-proclaimed bitches, goddesses,
> >               whores and witches -- goes back to the
> >               days long before apple computer and
> >               united airlines chose female music stars
> >               as emissaries for their corporate
> >               messages. there was a phenomenon called
> >               "women's music," which was really lesbian
> >               music, cultivated for years and years at
> >               all-women music festivals, bucolic events
> >               resembling separatist summer camps with
> >               all the trimmings.
> >
> >               the secret hype about lilith is that it's
> >               a babefest! every young dyke in a black
> >               bra and baggy shorts will be there! it
> >               may not have the purity of the michigan
> >               womyn's music festival (i.e., men are
> >               admitted and so are professional concert
> >               promoters), but how could any
> >               self-respecting gay girl on the prowl
> >               miss out on this meeting of minds and
> >               flesh?
> >
> >               the real heavy-hitters of the lilith tour
> >               are not the organizer, sarah mclachlan,
> >               or the new stars like jewel and paula
> >               cole, but the actual veterans of the
> >               lesbian music circuit, like the indigo
> >               girls, who are out of the closet on their
> >               latest album, or tracy chapman, who is so
> >               shy that she hardly says a word about
> >               herself in any direction, although she's
> >               made no effort to hide her relationships
> >               with women.
> >
> >               the lesbo inspiration for the lilith fest
> >               is overdue for an outing. lesbians have
> >               been too isolated and paranoid to take
> >               credit for it, and straight music people
> >               have been too arrogant and indifferent to
> >               give it to them, but it took the
> >               combination of feminism and dyke attitude
> >               to give rock 'n' roll a female face. nice
> >               girls who aspired to marriage and babies
> >               wouldn't have been interested in riffing
> >               on an electric guitar and opening their
> >               veins on everything from incest to
> >               genocide. no, it's been lesbians, filled
> >               with the passion of the underdog, who
> >               created not only those first
> >               groundbreaking tunes, but also the venues
> >               and independent labels that presented
> >               them. they were aided and abetted by the
> >               kind of straight girls who are often
> >               called sluts, fag-hags and ball-busters.
> >               when chrissie hynde sang, "i shot my
> >               mouth off and you showed me what that
> >               hole was for," it sure didn't signal her
> >               lesbian tendencies, but she fit in real
> >               nice with her deviant sisters.
> >
> >               i meet a lot of young women today who are
> >               drooling over the prospect of their first
> >               electric guitar, and they're of every
> >               type and sexual preference. yet the sense
> >               they carry that they're entitled to
> >               express themselves musically is the
> >               legacy of a whole lot of topless women
> >               sitting around in drum circles and
> >               howling at the moon. as i lined up to
> >               enter the amphitheater, i wondered: would
> >               lilith make me tremble with the
> >               possibilities of the next generation of
> >               women's music, or would it be the
> >               pepsi-fication of yet another grass-roots
> >               movement?
> >
> >               here's a quick checklist comparing the
> >               lilith fair with your average women's
> >               music festival:
> >
> >               ------------------------------------------
> >
> >               lilith fair          average dyke fest
> >
> >               attire: shirts       attire: skins
> >
> >               locale: professional locale: hot, dusty,
> >               amphitheater with    mosquito-infested
> >               broken big-screen    national forest
> >               monitors             lands
> >
> >               volume: about as     volume: cranked
> >               loud as you would
> >               play the radio in    men: none -- except
> >               the car with your    for a few clever
> >               grandma in the       ones in drag
> >               passenger seat
> >                                    security:
> >               men: all over the    bar-trained butches
> >               place, running       who are just as
> >               things               officious as anyone
> >                                    at shoreline, but
> >               security:            are such insane fans
> >               swat-trained sadists themselves that they
> >               who aren't about to  understand that you
> >               let you stand there  really need to be 10
> >               and eat a hot dog    inches closer to amy
> >               without moving your  ray
> >               butt back to your
> >               assigned seat        sexiest chicks:
> >                                    leather femmes with
> >               sexiest chicks:      labia piercings
> >               peachy's puff's
> >               cigarette girls      food: vegan hash
> >               selling $3 m&m's     brownies
> >
> >               food: garlic fries   cost: volunteer to
> >                                    clean the
> >               cost: $23.50 to sit  port-a-potties all
> >               in siberia           week and you're in
> >                                    for free music and
> >               time: 6 hours        camping
> >
> >               public service       time: at least 72
> >               booths: birth        hours
> >               control and aids
> >               prevention tables    public service
> >               that any 14-year-old booths: dildo table
> >               could learn          with treehouse
> >               something from       dressing room for
> >                                    trying on strap-ons
> >               not allowed:
> >               spontaneity          not allowed:
> >                                    heterosexual
> >               most awesome         braggadocio
> >               performer: tracy
> >               chapman              most awesome
> >                                    performer: tracy
> >                                    chapman
> >
> >               ------------------------------------------
> >
> >               clearly, when it comes to sheer fun, if
> >               you're female and can stand the heat and
> >               the flies, you're better off at a true
> >               dyke-o-rama. lilith, with the exception
> >               of ms. c., was a snooze. my buddy cherry
> >               and i spent all of suzanne vega's set
> >               trying to compose a personal ad to help
> >               cherry in mending her recently broken
> >               heart. we discussed various
> >               possibilities, and by the time paula cole
> >               mounted the stage, we'd settled on:
> >               "fucked-up chick needs a date, call
> >               510-xxx-xxxx." i promised cherry that
> >               paula would have killer abs, and sure
> >               enough, she appeared in the exact same
> >               crop top she wears on mtv and performed
> >               the exact same dance steps and song
> >               phrasing that she does on the tube. the
> >               paula hologram! next up was jewel, who is
> >               adorable, with a bosom that belongs on
> >               the cover of a romance novel and the warm
> >               audience rapport of a grand ol' opry
> >               star. her hit song, "who will save your
> >               soul," gave me goose bumps, but whenever
> >               she strayed from the topic of broken
> >               hearts, her space-case liberalism
> >               destroyed her sex appeal.
> >
> >               when chapman arrived on stage, she, like
> >               some of my other heroines, showed me what
> >               a hole was for. our mouths fell open when
> >               she started demonstrating her circular
> >               breathing on a digeridoo, and then we
> >               simply fell into her spell. each song she
> >               began was like an old dylan tune, a
> >               perfect poem of justice denied and love's
> >               cruel attachments. she can sing dylan
> >               under a table, though.
> >
> >               finally, mclachlan closed the show ... a
> >               sad time slot for a sad gal. she stopped
> >               between each quavering tune to thank us
> >               profusely for coming to "this incredible
> >               event," to celebrate "these amazing
> >               women." i think that was code for, "don't
> >               hate me for following the only person in
> >               this concert who can write her way out of
> >               a paper bag."
> >
> >               but we didn't hate sarah -- we guessed
> >               how hard it is to not be a big brave
> >               dyke/whore/menace and still try to copy
> >               the best and the wildest pioneers of
> >               women's music. gosh, imitation is the
> >               sincerest form of flattery. i went
> >               straight home and put on my favorite
> >               janis joplin album really, really loud.
> >               didn't they always say she loved to eat
> >               pussy?
> >               july 18, 1997
> >
> >               susie bright is the author of "susie
> >               bright's sexual state of the union" and
> >               many other books.
> >
> >               http://www.salonmagazine.com/columnists/bright.html
> >

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 01:47:21 -0400
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from:         catherine diederich <cathnshil@aol.com>
subject:      line etiquette- a lesson. (long)

waiting in line for general admission can be a pain in the ass, it can also
be a joy,  there was a bit of rudeness flying around at the britt show, both
champoeg shows, and so i hear in seattle too.  don't even ask me to name
names, 'cause i won't.  that isn't the point here.  the moral may seem a
little cryptic, that is on purpose. i'll only incriminate myself in this
little story  :).  here's the story, perhaps a lesson, for those of you who
want to take it as that.

our group was in line at the 1st champoeg show all day long.  some since
5:00 a.m.  at about 5:00 p.m. the whole line moved up to the next waiting
point.  at that time about 30 people who had snuck in at about 4:49 p.m. were
thinking they would cut in front of all 1,000 people or so that had also been
there before them.  we got some of them to move.
     then a young man and his (adorable) dog came to the front and he said he
was with the band.  we all laughed at him, said yeah right and told him to go
get in line with everyone elso.  he said to the security guard, "the band
wants to see my dog!"  we laughed even harder.  that was a good try we
thought, having heard what animal lovers a and e are.  he continues to hang
out and gets in with all the rest of us somewhere in the mob.  end of story.
     the next day we were there by 4:00 a.m.  (well 3 of our better halfs
were, then the other "halfs" came and fixed our sweeties and a few other list
buddies breakfast)  it's all good.  so as we wait at 5:30 p.m. at the gate to
get in, here comes "mr. cut in line man"  as we had so fondly named him.  yes
the same guy from the first show.  we were a little harder on him the second
time.  this time he said he was supposed to play with the band.  we thought
he was full of shit.  he even had a pass from the first day, but the guard
said no.  mr cut in line then started looking for another way in, back by the
tour buses, across fields, etc.  we were telling security, that guy  is
trying to sneak in, blah,  blah.  after we got in and found our places in the
front, we saw him trying to get back stage.  we kept laughing at him,
thinking he's delusional and thinks he is supposed to play with the band.  i
remember saying to shila, "ok, he's either really knows them, or he's
mentally ill"  i was serious.  he was very anxious and seemed jittery,
nervous kinda weird.   after another security guard hassles him, mr. cut
tells the guard  "just watch the guy playing piano tonight, he'll have the
same hat on as me."
     then, we all kinda stiffened up as mr. cut in line starts walking toward
us, afterall he knows we were giving him a hard time in line.  he comes over,
kneels between all 6 or so of us (very brave move) and appologizes for being
so hyper about getting in.  he says he knows he should have gone about
getting in differently, but he is really excited/nervous about playing
tonight, and would be clap for him when he comes out on stage?  we all were
stunned, for one that he was so nice, and for another that we now thought her
was even more full of it.  why wasn't he back stage, if he was gonna play.
why did he have to scrap to get in in the first place.  this is what we were
thinking.  we also talked more crap about him.
     well then the show started and we forgot about mr cut in line.  we all
had a great time.   it was the last show for shila and i, funny how we love
closer to fine but we dread it too.  bitter sweet, kinda.  it means the end.

     ctf was great, our friend lynn was up there shaking her egg, we weren't
ready for it to end, but it did.

     the point of this story, oh yes, amongst all the chaos of a big ctf
stage showing, amy introduces a "friend" of hers who is gonna play the piano,
he's just come from the "rainbow gathering" (which she had wanted to be at)
and his name is michael,...aka "mr. cut in line man".   there he was, just
like he said!
     the moral of the story kids, be nice in line!!!  don't assume you are
all knowing just because you got there at 4:00 a.m., and think you are the
biggest ig fan alive.  don't make up crap about people you know nothing, or
perhaps even something about.  don't think just because you don't have a
special pass, that nobody else does either.  most people aren't as low as we
make them out to be.  i learned a valuable lesson here, 'cause i did all of
the above. (..."la la la, shame on you")  maybe for you future concert goers,
this will help to keep peace in line, and not give anybody a bad rep.   i've
heard a few others in line made my same mistake and were wrong too.  repent
all ye sinners!!!  there is still time to be saved by the indigo goddess.  by
the way, all of our group was completely stunned by his appearence on stage,
we all felt a little sorry!

well,  thats it, i'm done.  now is it gettin hot in here?  anyone else have
any line gripes?  don't send them to me, my house is already warm, ooh,  i
think i feel a flam-o-rama comin'  'round the mountain ..."it's alright...i
know i'm small in a way, but i know i'm strong..."

     catherine

p.s.  his cute-as-a-button dog came on stage too.  emily was obviously taken
by the pooch, as he got a pat or two from her!  (ruff!)

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 02:32:53 -0400
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from:         catherine diederich <cathnshil@aol.com>
subject:      attn: your 1st (berkeley) show, yes we sat next to you!

sorry to send this to the list, but i wanted to reply and lost the addy!

     thanks for the mail!  it was nice to meet you at the show.  those girls
were rude, but we really decided to leave on our own.  don't feel bad we had
a really good time!!!   we hope you enjoyed your 1st concert!  i'm the one
who was next to you, shila was next to me.  i had brown hair she has blondish
hair.  mine is now blond/yellow.

let us know your addy, sorry, i deleted your post!

catherine and shila

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date:         sun, 20 jul 1997 23:36:02 +0000
reply-to:     sb2@axe.humboldt.edu
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from:         seona <sb2@axe.humboldt.edu>
organization: humboldt state
subject:      sony web page ig sightings (info) and a lot more!
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hey, all, i had this great e-mail all ready to send to everyone on the
list about what great things i found on the sony music web site.... then
my computer (i still love it dearly) crashed/froze and all was lost.
anyways, i'll just give you the bare essentials...which i guess is a
good thing, cuz i was getting so excited about some of the things i
found and writing my heart out.  well check these out and find out for
yourself  (kiss your computer when it crashes on you...it's not it's
fault)

this site has the ppv (audio--real audio only) special that was aired
live back in june:
http://www.music.sony.com/music/spotlight/openright.html

this site has a screen saver and games featuring several artists
including ig (you need a pc-windows base to download this for free,
also, there is a retail version for windows, again):
http://www.music.sony.com/music/screeners/clue.htm

this site has a page on ig and was for the spirit of 73 for choice
thingy (check out the other artists too), this i know is known about the
list, right?  well here it is...it has an audio clip:
http://www.music.sony.com/music/artistinfo/spiritof73forchoice/indigo.htm

here, read about shawn colvin, including what emily saliers has to say
about her:
http://www.music.sony.com/music/artistinfo/shawncolvin/atlconst.htm

read about the project sweet relief musicians fund then go to the next
site to hear an audio clip of the indigo girls:
http://www.music.sony.com/music/artistinfo/sweetrelief/main.html

here's a audio (wav and ra format) clip from the sony project to help
artists with medical/health finances, called sweet relief musicians
fund.  ig covers a song by vic chestnutt (a beneficiary) called "free of
hope":
http://www.music.sony.com/music/artistinfo/sweetrelief/artist.html


ok, that's all that i can give you tonight.  it's late.
oh, a very nice ig night experience.  this local radio station khum in
humboldt county is sooooo very awesome!  they play ig at least twice a
day.  i woke to bury my heart on friday am, and about 30 minutes ago,
they played kid fears...i wish i could listen more, but work and sleep
calls sometimes. =?

that's all folks!
enjoy!
seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 05:04:39 -0400
reply-to:     cyprsmoon6@aol.com
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from:         "s. presti" <cyprsmoon6@aol.com>
subject:      re: mm's latest, caroline aiken

hi all,  sorry if my post appeared twice.  i original received a failure
notice, so i decided to re-send. but i think it may have made it to the list
after all.   happy deleting :)

take care,
peace,
cyprs

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 08:21:48 -0400
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from:         marci gluck <mgluck2653@aol.com>
subject:      shawn colvin tix 4 sale (nigc)

anyone interested in 2 tix to see shawn on wed 7/23 at the state theater in
new brunswick, nj?  please email me privately.

thanks ;-)

marci

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 08:58:35 -0400
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from:         cheryl kathleen seymour <cks1@acpub.duke.edu>
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hey folks!

anyone planning to go see michelle malone at the 9:30 club in d.c. on
august 2nd? she's listed w/ jackopierce and delamitri and i know that jp
is opening for del amitri, so is she opening for jp? how early would one
have to get there for this? if anyone has any info or is planning to go,
let me know! thanks so much!!!

-- cheryl
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while you and i have lips and voices which are for kissing and to sing
with who cares if some one-eyed son of a bitch invents an instrument to
measure spring with?                                      e.e.cummings

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hi all,

***please do _not_ send an sase unless i responded to you saying i *am* able
to send you a calendar.***

sorry to post a second time about this, but i'm repeating here--every last
one of the calendars is gone.  the response was (and still continues to be)
amazing.

people are emailing saying they are sending their sase right out before
reading my closing post or waiting to hear from me.  aaahhh!! don't do it!!
just say "no"!! i have exactly the number of cals i said, 41, and i have
emailed all those people saying they had one.  i won't be able to send
anything to anyone i have not already responded to. thanks,
lisa


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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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subject:      crazy game lyrical question

hey, i was thinking about the lyrics to "crazy game" and realized i don't
quite understand the chorus.  i asked my girlfriend and she was confused too.
who's doing the leaving?  i mean, it starts out "if you're ever believeing
i'm thinking of leaving, look to the moon", so it sounds like the narrater is
the one doing the possible leaving.  but.. "'cause it's a fact, she may go
wandering about but she always comes shining back, and it's true, i'll wait
for you" (emph added).  so now it sounds like the narrator is doing the
waiting.  who's the moon?  the narrator, or the person being sung to?  and if
it's the person being sung to, then there's an implication that this song is
being sung to a girl.  which is not something that can usually be found in
early ig songs.  so, help me out.

the sfc
(please send a copy of your response to me privately and to the list, 'cause
i sometimes miss the list)

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at 08:18 pm 7/20/97 -0500, you wrote:
>i don't have any details, but according to the borders website
>(http://www.borders.com/events/lilith.html), it looks as though ig's may
>be doing some sort of an in-store appearance at borders books & music in
>chicago on aug. 9 (in connection with lilith fair).  that's all the
>details i have, so those of y'all in or near chicago may want to call
>borders and find out what's up.

the ig web site is listing this appearance as august 8th.

i love it when we have conflicting information :)

deb

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the ig site is finally listing the on air dates as sunday august 24th (they
used to list is as aug 30th).

deb

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hi all,

just dropping a note. in the current issue of ew (the one with jodie
foster on the cover), there's an article towards the back slamming the
new julia robert's flick "my best friend's wedding". it's this whole spiel
about how anti-feminist the whole movie is. anyways, the writer mentions
ig. not quoted exactly, but something like , " so why don't all the lilith
fair followers put on their indigo girls shirts and head down to their
nearest mulitplex screaming, 'this movie is demeaning to women'". i was
psyched when i saw that in there. yes!

happy indigo days, and if christie jackson is around, e-mail me. i'd like
to hear from you guys.


peace,
sharon

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i have two tickets to lilith fair in great woods, mansfield ma. the face
value is $40 each, but if need be will take any reasonalbe offer. the two
friends that were going to lilith fair had a death in the family today.

call me at 603-382-4544 or e-mail me with your name and number and i will
return all inquiries this evening.

please pass this on to any one you think  might be interested!!

thanks

- jan
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i am pleased to annouce that we raised $2650 for the billings house in
emily's name!! mandi and audrey were at red rocks and on friday were able to
pass the "check" and some other goodies backstage. i will let one of them
tell about the tangible gifts but a quick scan of the "check" that was
created can be seen at:

http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/check.html

thank you one and all for making this a very successful project. i was
worried that with it being summer that we wouldn't be able to match what was
donated earlier in the year in amy's name. i shouldn't have had such doubts :)

i will forward all the donations to the billings house this week and all who
donated with get an acknowledge from the billings house for tax purposes.

on behalf of audrey and mandi, thank you once again.

deb

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hi,

   after initially thinking i would not be able to make it to the
scranton, pa lilith fair concert on aug. 13 (and therefore not buying tix
when they went on sale), it now looks like i could attend.

   however, i'd like to be able to get decent seats so i can actually
appreciate the show to its fullest.  so if anyone out there has an extra
ticket or two (2 would be ideal), please let me know asap.

thanx!!

chris imershein
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sorry for the broadcast y'all....

but will the list admin please email me privately??

thanks and have an indigo day!
- jen hall

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i thought this was interesting...anyone know what this album is? the price
would suggest a bootleg. something worth knowing perhaps.
we are fortunate ones,
joe
http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones


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hi -
    $23 postpaid. e-mail if interested.

james

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at 09:55 am 7/21/97 -0400, thesfc wrote:
>hey, i was thinking about the lyrics to "crazy game" and realized i don't
>quite understand the chorus.
> who's doing the leaving?
he he...
e is referring to the moon as "she"... e points the moon out as an example +
says "look to the moon cause it's a fact, she ( the moon ) may go wandering
about, but she always comes shining back"... in other words like the moon,
emily may wander off but that doesn't mean she's leaving for good... she
will always be back, just like the moon.
peace, kim ( goddes o' sun burns )
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skin baby, let it through... comeonovernow!!!!... amy ray
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joe hamilton <hamilton@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu> wrote,

>i thought this was interesting...anyone know what this album is? the price
>would suggest a bootleg. something worth knowing perhaps.

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  >hi -
  >    $23 postpaid. e-mail if interested.

probably *not* a bootleg, though perhaps someone here knows of another
version... there are two prints of "phantom center", but you'll probably
have to search used-record stores for the first print.  the tori vocals
appear on both versions.

phantom center was originally released in 1990 on chameleon records.
some (not sure how many) vocals included lauren wood and tori amos.

ferron re-mastered the original tapes, keeping the vocal arrangements
with lauren and tori, diminishing the original drums and guitar, then
added some amy and emily vocals... the re-mixed version was released
in 1996 on warner (her current label).

john miller  -  just back from last night's melissa ferrick show,
san jose ca     and going to see two night's of ferron in berkeley!

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indigo girls' sharpness pierces red rocks night

by mark harden
denver post popular music writer

july 18 - morrison - it was one of those summer nights for which red
rocks was created - warm breezes and cool music.

indigo girls, playing the first of two shows at the rocks on thursday,
pierced the sultry night with their pinpoint-sharp harmonies from their
first notes, and quickly had the youthful crowd on its feet, waving arms
in the night and singing along with the girls, amy ray and emily
saliers.

despite being dyed-in-the-wool folkies, indigo girls are rockers down to
their socks.  "shame on you," the single from their latest album, would
have shaken the rafters if red rocks had any, but even the slower, more
rhythmic numbers packed considerable sonic punch, thanks to the indigo's
three-piece backing band.

material from the new album, "shaming of the sun," met with as much
crowd approval as older tunes. in particular, "don't give that girl a
gun" showcased ray's voice, which has gained in depth over the years.

patti smith, who preceded the indigos, got a noisy reception from the
audience, most members of which were too young to remember her days as a
proto-punk goddess firsthand.

atlanta singer-guitarist michelle malone, an unannounced opening act,
was dynamic, alternating between angry guitar workouts and lovely
ballads in her 35-minute set. (indigo girls play a second show tonight
at red rocks. tickets are $25 and $22.50 plus fees; call 830-8497 for
information.)

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oooops... fergot to add the all important : e is saying ( when she sings
"i'll wait for you") that she will not go anywhere while whoever she's
singing to gets it together in whatever sense... she'll wait. she will not
give up... and she is not going anywhere.
peace kim ( goddess of oversights )
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i got the following review from the ferron list. i found it interesting
because just last week we were questioning why ig were only getting minimal
media in regard to lilith fair. well this writer seems to feel that not only
are they are at the center of attention and but they have unfairly been
deemed the queens (my word) of "new 'women's music'".

although i understand the writer's points about recognizing the early
history of "women's music" i've never put a&e in that category and sure
don't think of them media darlings.

anyway, read away...

deb


>the hear & now --- sunday, july 20, 1997
>http://www.sfgate.com/eguide/music/scene/derk/
>
>
>july 20-22
>ferron, with karen pernic
>freight & salvage coffeehouse
>1111 addison st., berkeley
>$14.50/ $15.50 advance
>(510) 548-1760
>
>by derk richardson
>
>far be it from me to take anything away from lilith fair or the
>indigo girls.  the former, canadian singer sarah mclachlan's
>multiple-artist road show that recently packed the shoreline
>amphitheatre, raises money for good causes and showcases
>a wide array of "new" female talent in a still-largely sexist
>pop music industry. the indigos, the energetic georgian
>folk-rockers who have garnered a big enough audience to fill
>berkeley's greek theatre earlier this month, deserve all the
>kudos they get. for the past eight years, amy ray and
>emily saliers have attached their powerful melodies and
>harmonies to outspoken progressive stances on social issues,
>regardless of the prevailing political winds.
>
>but one thing is glaringly absent in the hyperbolic media
>discussions that lilith fair and the indigo girls have
>triggered about the new "women's music" -- a sense of
>history. "without amy and emily there would be no jewel,
>no ani, no fiona," a pop critic wrote. that pronouncement
>takes us all the way back to ... 1989! and, once again, it
>effectively relegates such names as chris, meg, margie, and
>holly to the dustbin of "herstory." chris williamson, meg
>christian, margie adam, and holly near were among the
>pioneers of what came to be known in the 1970s as
>women's music. theirs was explicitly feminist, sometimes
>utopian music, often lesbian-identified at a time when the
>l-word was as good as a scarlet letter in guaranteeing
>exclusion from the mainstream music industry. granted, the
>once-thriving women's music culture of festivals, record
>labels, and bookstores has either been marginalized to the
>point of near invisibility or absorbed into a broader, more
>diffuse movement, while everyone from melissa etheridge,
>k.d. lang, and ellen to bikini kill, team dresch,
>sleater-kinney, liz phair and ani difranco provide an even
>more colorful rainbow of role models. but it's safe, though
>not fashionable, to say there would be no amy and emily,
>melissa or k.d. without chris, holly, margie, and meg.
>
>and ferron.
>
>arriving on the scene a bit later in 1980 with her first
>u.s. album, testimony, (and her second, shadows on a dime,
>in 1984) the canadian-born singer-songwriter has come the
>closest to breaking through to the proverbial wider
>audience. although ferron's 1996 contract with warner
>bros. has yet to catapult her to the next level of public
>exposure, it has done three important things. it freed her
>from running her own label (cherrywood station) on which
>she produced the brilliant career-retrospective 1992 live
>album, "not a still life" (recorded at the great american
>music hall in san francisco), and the universally acclaimed
>1994 masterpiece, "driver." it allowed her to remix and
>re-release phantom center, the haunting cd originally
>misproduced and mishandled by chameleon records in
>1990. and it gave her the freedom to record the recent "still
>riot," the most musically ambitious of her nine albums.
>
>although they are sometimes worded with thorny, private
>vocabulary and phrasing worthy of bob dylan, many of
>ferron's songs are clearly about freedom. sometimes the
>cost of freedom is loneliness and forced self-discovery, as in
>the flawlessly constructed break-up song, "ain't life a
>brook," recorded on both 1980's testimony and still riot.
>sometimes it's a subtle invitation, as in driver's tour de
>force, "girl on a road." sometimes it's unvanquished
>longing, as in still riot's "i am hungry." ferron sings about
>different kinds of freedom in voice that sounds in one
>moment like lace curtains and in another like soft steel wool.
>it's a voice at once as specific and universal as that of phil
>ochs or joni mitchell, a voice that has spoken to me as few
>others have for 17 years, a voice that even ferron says has
>caught her off guard with its "real honesty and age."
>
>ferron told me that last summer, just before the release of
>still riot, when we spent an afternoon at stinson beach,
>doing a formal interview over lunch, and conversing
>privately during a two-hour walk at the edge of the surf. i
>came away with an impression of a fortysomething woman
>not all that different from her songs. both embody a heart
>trying to get to the feeling of being whole. whoever is
>privileged enough to see one of her three special shows this
>week in berkeley's intimate freight & salvage coffeehouse,
>with a band including cellist jami sieber, guitarist shelley
>jennings, and percussionist craig kaleal (and the wonderful
>karen pernick opening), will likely come away a little bit
>more whole -- and with a stronger sense of music history,
>women's or otherwise.
>
>hear derk richardson's free form music mix every
>thursday night, 10 pm - midnight, on kpfa 94.1 fm.
>contact him at derk@sfgate.com.

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hey y'all--
  i was listing to shades of indigo (thanks!!) and shawn asked the girls what
they saw themselves doing if they hadn't become signed artists.  emily, as we
know said she would be a high school english teacher and amy said she would
probably be working in the outdoors with conservation, forestry or something
of that nature.
lauren

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subject:      nigc-attn:  margaret clayton

hi margaret,
if you're still on this list, please e-mail me.  i have your old address but
haven't heard a response about the unh boot.
thanks
rena

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at 02:14 pm 7/21/97 -0500, deb reiser wrote:
>i got the following review from the ferron list. i found it interesting
>because just last week we were questioning why ig were only getting minimal
>media in regard to lilith fair. well this writer seems to feel that not only
>are they are at the center of attention and but they have unfairly been
>deemed the queens (my word) of "new 'women's music'".
>
>although i understand the writer's points about recognizing the early
>history of "women's music" i've never put a&e in that category and sure
>don't think of them media darlings.
>
>anyway, read away...
>
>deb
>
>
i don't really think of the indigo girls as women's music, either, although
they might seem closer to it than, for instance, jewel, kd lang, or melissa
etheridge.  and emily has done a lot of backup vocals for ferron and others.
yet, more noticably and inexcusably, the author excluded sweet honey in the
rock, who, along with ferron, are the sole survivors from women's music.
certainly, they are all producing new material (holly near has a new album,
chris and tret had one last year, margie continues to thrive), but sweet
honey and ferron are the only two who are gaining fame instead of becoming
more obscure as their record companies fold.  is it because sweet honey
aren't all lesbians or are black?  interestingly, the pop critic excluded
tracy chapman, another headliner on lf, who is also african-american and who
is not out either way in terms of her sexual orientation.

i know the author was not trying to be all-inclusive, but there seemed to be
a ferron-promoting motive rather than a broad perspective.  people forget
that holly has covered two sweet honey songs.

interesting note: they are currently doing "redemption song" as well.
according to my mother and sister (who saw shitr on the 13 and ig on the
16), their version is more reggae-like and probably better than the ig,
although they also liked the ig version.  it was strange to see to concerts
in one week where that song was covered, apparently.

deirdre

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deirdre ruth lynch <deirdre_lynch@brown.edu> replied to deb reiser's post:

>at 02:14 pm 7/21/97 -0500, deb reiser wrote:
    <snip>
>>although i understand the writer's points about recognizing the early
>>history of "women's music" i've never put a&e in that category and sure
>>don't think of them media darlings.

>i know the author was not trying to be all-inclusive, but there seemed to be
>a ferron-promoting motive rather than a broad perspective.  people forget
>that holly has covered two sweet honey songs.

yes, derk's column was ferron-promoting, for good reason... she's in town!

if holly or chris or sweet honey had been playing this week, he'd just as
likely write about *them*, as he has in the past.

i'm the guy who forwarded that column to the ferron-list owner, and i've
been reading derk's columns for years... he could write an all-inclusive
*book* on the subject if space permitted (just get him talking about it
in front of a radio microphone), but (1) he had limited column space to
present his view, (2) he was partially responding to *another* critic's
comments that 'without a&e there'd be no lilith fair', but mostly (3) he
was promoting ferron's current berkeley shows (she had her first of three
consecutive sold-out shows last night)... derk is (imo) the best music
critic in the bay area, and he's always supportive of good artists who
get little or no media recognition... including sweet honey in the rock.

also, he's older (like me <g>) than most of the folks here.  it's likely
a&e (and their contemporaries) are quite 'new' on his musical timeline...
ferron has been performing for 25 years, so he's giving her some long
overlooked recognition in a mainstream newspaper... the newspaper even
included a *photo* of ferron... a first!

john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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>excluded sweet honey in the rock, who, along with ferron,
>are the sole survivors from women's music.
>certainly, they are all producing new material (holly near has a new album,
>chris and tret had one last year, margie continues to thrive), but sweet
>honey and ferron are the only two who are gaining fame instead of becoming
>more obscure as their record companies fold.... (diedre)

please note that this is not intended in any negative manner,
but touches on a subject i care deeply about.

holly, chris and tret, margie,  ann reed, diedre mccalla (and many more)
(i know ann and diedre were not mentioned, but they are relevant),
each have produced more albums than ferron.
and they all have very dedicated followers/fans.

i would respectfully disagree with the statement that
sh and ferron are the "sole survivors" of women's music.
this is like gauging success by how much money one makes,
or the titles one holds.

most of the time, our jobs are not about either fame or money
(although one or both would probably most certainly be welcomed).
we do know that, press coverage, air time, and mainstreem appeal
do not connote either artistic survival or musical success---ig content :)

i would submit that the purpose of women's music was, and perhaps is,
not necessarily to sing to the masses,
although this can be a good thing,
and could certainly benefit the planet in general,
but it was/is to tell the stories which were being systematically silenced.
it is to acknowledge my story, as valid and important.
it is to tell your stories, to question with us,
and to give us all strength in our unique, and often quite isolating journeys.

the afformentioned women are not dinasoures, but pioneers.
and although i know, that most certainly there was no intent of disrespect,
the road was greatly paved by these women.
we all stand where we are, and move forward from here,
through the strength and struggles of those who have gone before us.

i remember them being a beacon in the darkness.
no one spoke of my life, of my struggles, of my questions, the way they did.
the fact that we now have more lighthouses along the coastlines of our journeys,
should not diminish the brightness of the previously established lights.

deb b

(eventhough she is no longer recording, i would just like to mention
meg christan, in this spontenous homage to the women of my formative years!)

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"keep your light shining."

dr. roberta bondar, astronaut

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 18:26:40 -0400
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i was downtown today and picked up a copy of shades of
indigo(purple) for anyone who is interested. i paid $45 so ill sell it for
$50 including postage. ill sell to the first email i receieve.

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 18:47:35 -0400
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hey y'all

garian said this about red rocks fri and sat:

<< since michelle malone was there they also played tangled up in blue and
<< did wild horses in the encore.   >>

<<patty smith totally rocked.  she ended with
<<gloria on thurs. and not fade away

well that about convinces me that i need a copy of the red rocks show with
michelle malone and patty smith.  does anybody know if there's one to be had?
sorry, but i haven't been paying very close attention to the available
boots.  i dream of hearing patty smith, mm and the girls playing on one tape,
and i am truly dying to hear wild horses.  i'm of the generation that
actually remembers the stones version of wild horses (had some big fun to
that song), and i used to listen to the stones each night at bedtime.  yes i
was insane.  anyway, any boot info would be appreciated majorly!

see ya at the derby

bonnie

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thought this had some relevance since amy wrote a song about squeaky.

anna

------- forwarded message follows -------
charlie's angel

squeaky fromme: first serving manson, now serving life
by carolyn see

friday, july 18, 1997; page b02
the washington post

squeaky
the life and times of lynette alice fromme
by jess bravin
buzz/st. martin's. $25.95. 432 pp.

"you may not like some things he does/ and you may feel ignored/ but
all your troubles won't be solved/ by shooting president ford." so
wrote some thoughtful bizarro in martinsville, ill., in response to
the attempted assassination of that bemused leader outside the
california state capitol building by squeaky fromme. it was a silly
event, a nonevent, really. the gun didn't go off; indeed, the safety
might still have been on. there was speculation that she might not
have known how to use the gun, or perhaps even have been too frail to
pull the trigger. she was tiny, dressed in a homemade costume; she
looked like an elf. under other circumstances, she might have been
arrested for attempted assault, put away for a few years, and that
would have been that.

but these weren't ordinary circumstances. lynette fromme, 19, and her
best friend, sandra good, were enthusiastic members of the so-called
manson family. they had drawn x's on their foreheads during the
dramatic trial of their "god," their own charlie. their elf costumes
were really robes for a new religion manson was dreaming up daily
from prison. the two were waiting impatiently (and pathetically) for
the armageddon he had promised.

america was supposed to have been drenched in blood by now -- irate
children rising up against their parents, blacks and whites duking it
out in pitched battles full of hate, corrupt ceos immolated by the
deserving and undeserving poor. or something like that! but helter
skelter, the fruit of a thousand charlie manson acid dreams, hadn't
really happened. only the manson family's own gruesome murders, the
tate-labianca killings, had happened. those who had done them were
all in jail now, and the authorities had thrown away the key.

squeaky fromme and sandra good had invented "the international
people's court of retribution" in which all the rich capitalists who
were polluting the planet -- cutting down the redwoods, using aerosol
spray and so on -- would die bloody deaths. they compiled a list of
offenders and sent them threatening letters. violence was to have
been the order of the day, but there was a catch to all that. the
catch was, they were two young, unemployed women, with no money and
no power at all. they were nobodies, living out an illiterate
convict's bad dream.

the story of the manson family is pretty creepy, even now. the more
you know about it, the creepier it gets. linda kasabian, who was the
lookout during the sharon tate killings, once told me that she'd
confided in joan didion, given her the whole story. "it's only fairy
tales," didion reportedly told her. "think of all that as just fairy
tales. it's over now." then the author got in her car and drove away
and never came back. because that was some fairy tale!

jess bravin does a fine job, just zeroing in on lynette fromme, a
sweet little girl who grew up in tract-house l.a., just a few blocks
from loyola marymount university, who was bright and did well in
school, who was hounded and harassed by a brutish father who kicked
her out of the house in her mid-teens so that she ended up weeping on
a street in venice with nowhere to go. manson rescued her. he rescued
a lot of girls, and the question is: what had happened to society
that a guy could go grazing up and down the western united states and
end up with close to three dozen girls and a few complacent guys, and
their own birth families just let them go? this book is, in a sense,
a companion piece to jules witcover's "the year the dream died,"
about 1968. during "the '60s," which lasted from 1965 to 1975, while
underqualified politicians were scuffling ineptly for elective
office, the whole middle part of america was shivering and trembling
and falling apart. the center could not hold. squeaky was an extreme
example; she always said she was a "reflection" of american society,
and she was.

she was just a kid! during the trial, she'd make a fuss and then ask
the judge, "are you mad at me?" she'd threaten: "don't make us be
violent!" she couldn't do a thing. she had a dream, and there was
violence in it, but her real dream was family, cooking for 25 people
at a time, never being alone, always having the assurance of being
loved.

jess bravin treats fromme, who is serving a life sentence, with
objectivity, courtesy and respect, qualities that must have been in
very short supply over the course of her life. this is an important,
thoughtful book, a close look at the enduring enigma of the '60s, a
puzzle in our collective psychic life that continues to play out
today.

@caption: lynette "squeaky" fromme: from model teen to (fortunately)
inept manson acolyte.

copyright 1997 the washington post company

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 19:08:35 -0400
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hey y'all

the sfc writes:

<<  it starts out "if you're ever believeing
i'm thinking of leaving, look to the moon", so it sounds like the narrater
is
the one doing the possible leaving.  but.. "'cause it's a fact, she may go
wandering about but she always comes shining back, and it's true, i'll wait
for you" (emph added).  so now it sounds like the narrator is doing the
waiting.  who's the moon?  the narrator, or the person being sung to?  and
if
it's the person being sung to, then there's an implication that this song is
being sung to a girl.  which is not something that can usually be found in
early ig songs.  >>

has anyone ever heard that this song was supposedly written about amy?? ("dry
your tears, don't be thinking grey is here to stay").  anyway, it makes a lot
of sense to me , that emily might be telling her (or whoever), in a
friendship kind of way, that she was free to go on out and wander and
discover herself, but that em would be there waiting.  i take that to mean
she plans on standing by this person while she goes through some changes
which may take the person away from em, but ultimately may lead that person
back to em.  the moon is a total example (is metaphor the right word here?
all you college students help me out!).  she' s saying that she knows the
moon always comes back around and she's hoping this person will too.

hope that helps, it's just my own little interpretation ...

bonnie

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 19:13:05 -0400
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subject:      philly mann 5/30/97

does anyone know where i could get a copy of the philly 5/30/97 show? i've
been looking all over without any luck.  any help would be greatly
appreciated.  thanks.
-anne

** "well the mississippi's mighty, but it starts in minnesota **
** at a place where you can walk across with 5 steps down"    **
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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 16:18:14 -0700
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since no one else has come along to offer better l.a. boots, i'll finally
offer up mine.

here is the first one, and i'd like to set up a tree so that i can
continue trying to go through all my other tapes and get whatever else is
worthwhile out to you.

for now, please only send me a message if you want this and can be a
branch.  if you already sent me mail volunteering to be a branch, please
send me another message anyway.  organization is not my specialty...  send
it to alisont@netcom.com

the tape:

los angeles 7/2/97 - greek theater (first night of two)

two 100 minute tapes - quality varies from good to faint, plenty of
annoying audience talking

tape 1, side 1:  michelle malone:  blue suede, all i can give you, my
green thumb, grace, 32 seconds, a la famiglia, learn to cry, green,
medicated magdalene, hollow day

tape 1, side 2:  indigo girls: mystery, three hits, get out the map, don't
give that girl a gun, least complicated, shame on you, it's alright, shed
your shin, virginia woolf, pushing the needle too far

tape 2, side 1:  (beginning cut off) redemption songs, leeds, tangled up
in blue (with michelle malone), hey kind friend, scooter boys (with
sad-eyed soldiers insert), caramia, everything in its own time, chickenman
(with dave ellison), galileo (end cut off)

tape 2, side 2:  encore: don't wanna know (with michelle malone), wild
horses (with michelle malone), closer to fine plus l.a. radio appearance
on star 98.7 - interview plus shame on you and closer to fine - learn
where they met josh segal... hear amy say "we sound like bitter
lesbians"... and more!


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alison  -  alisont@netcom.com

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 19:52:00 -0400
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subject:      (nigc at all) the freshman chords

does anyone have the chords to freshman, by the verve pipe? i've been
looking everywhere, and i'm too incompetant to figure it out myself.

thanks, in advance!

-liz-

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hi,
sorry to waste the space, but i am thinking of making a trip to the
midwest.  please let me know if you or anyone you know wants to sell two
tickets to either deer creek, in  or tinley park, il.
thanks,
garian

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subject:      nigc advice needed on buying a guitar

hi list

sorry to trouble everyone, but i know we've got a bunch of guitar players on
this list and i would really like to learn to play.  so my question to those
more experienced than i is...what is a good basic accoustic guitar for a
beginner like me?  i don't want to spend a huge chunk of cash since i am just
starting out, but i also don't want to be ticked off two or three years from
now because i realize i bought a piece of junk.

i've gone to one music store so far and they are pushing a low end yamaha
that sells for around $225.

i realize everyone has their own personal preferences, but i would sure
appreciate some advice on this.  obviously, email me privately so as not to
disturb other list members.  thanks everybody!

oh, and while i'm troubling y'all, how do i pick a good guitar instructor?

cheers!
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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cojehali@aol.com wrote and now indigo@ncia.net writes:
>
> forgive me for posting yet another request for ppv to the list but i am
> one of those unfortunate souls who was unable to get the show from my cable company. :(  so if anyone is willing and able to help me get a copy
of the ppv show i would be most appreciative....and i'd be happy to do a
trade with you....please e-mail me at indigo@ncia.net .....thanks! :)
>
> faye

(with thanks to connie for the message compostion -- i'm in the same
boat!)
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well since i havent read any reviews of the austin city limits performance i
guess i'm the only list member represented that night so here goes...
it was my first time there and i was impressed, there isnt a bad seat in the
place, real intimate, probably holds 3 maybe 4 hundred people at the most.
they announced it as the first show of the season, trant thought the season
would start sometime in jan. my friend and i were sitting on amy's side, 2nd
row, fourth seat in. we were really off to the side so we might have gotten
on camera a few times.
   my memory sucks so this is gonna be a short review. it was all accoustic,
no back up band, just the girls. there were 3 guests whom i've never heard
of so i dont remember their last names, but i got a set list that had their
first names on it, maybe someone can help me out here. vonda something, mark
something and freedy something, ring a bell with anyone? here's the set list...

i.g.: shame on you
i.g.: ghost
vonda: maryland
mark: why don't you leave my sister alone?
freedy: you get me lost
i.g. and all: get out the map
vonda and i.g.: wildest times of the world
mark: the thorn in my side is gone
freedy: mortician's daughter
i.g. and vonda: hey kind friend
vonda and emily: baby don't you break my heart slow
mark: mission rock resort -or- western sky
freedy: ?
encore
all: closer to fine

fashion review, i can confirm (again) that amy's white pants are indeed
leather, and she had a button down print shirt on, don't remember the color.
emily had on an oversize, lime green shirt and flowered pants.
   thats about it folks, if ya want more, you'll have to keep your eye on
the tv guide and watch it for yourself. oh yeah, amy seemed really burnt
out, when the guests were playing, she sat at the back of the stage with her
eyes closed. i figure, if they played in colorado the night before, they
probably were suffering from jet lag. they had also been rehearsing all day
so they probably didnt get much rest. they mentioned they were taking a week
off, it looked like they needed it.
    one more small thing i forgot to mention. there's a restraunt here in
austin that they always mention being there favorite in town. so every time
they're here i go eat breakfast there. so i took my son down there and ate
the next morning, we got there kinda late and i figured i had missed them,
but i asked the waitress if the girls had been in there yet and she said
"yeah, they were here earlier", so i figured i missed them. so as we were
leaving, the isles are small, and guess who i damn near ran into as she was
scooting out of a booth...miss amy ray herself! i had my daemon records
t-shirt on and she looked up, did a double-take, and said "nice shirt!" i
said "thanks" and kinda stopped for a second and then kept on walking. i
wanted to stand there and say something...anything, but for one thing, i was
dumbstruck, for another thing, i had met them in the same restraunt a couple
of years ago. i was there with a group of friends, about 10 or 12 of us,
when they walked in, and we all rushed them at once. emily was really cool,
friendly and everything, but amy was less than amused. it looked like she
had just gotten out of the shower, her hair was still wet. so i can't blame
her for her attitude, but i saw a different side of her the other day. she
was really sweet to everyone, and genuine, you can usually tell when
someone's faking it, but she was'nt, she was just really cool. so anyway,
thats why i just said "thanks" and kept on walking, i wanted to come off
like a jaded austinite and not a dork. except for my mouth hanging open, i
think i pulled it off! this is getting waaay too long so i'm gonna shut up
now. this is my first review, how'd i do?

linda

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wed., july 16, 1997
true blue:  indigo girls trust their instincts, produce cd attuned to
their faithful

by michael mehle--rocky mountain news popular music writer
reprinted without permission, of course.  all typos are mine.
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        for the indigo girls, selling albums has only grown easier.
making them is a different story.

        the duo's sixth studio effort, _shaming of the sun_, debuted at
no. 7 when it was released last april, the highest start ever for an indigo
girls album.  yet emily saliers, half of the duo, described the recording of
the disc as another exercise in anxiety.

        "it seems that with every successive album it just gets harder,"
said the blond-haired, folk-leaning half of the tandem.  "whenever i start
writing, i feel like i don't have a new way to describe what i wanted to say,
and i wonder if i have used up my best images."

        it has been a decade since the indigo girls leapt from their own
independent label in atlanta to the national scene.  they were a quick hit,
fitting in neatly with the likes of suzanne vega, 10,000 maniacs and
tracy chapman.  yet the two women eventually outperformed their peers when
it came to building a consistent catalog and a fervent fan base.

        their music has moved from spare, acoustic compositions to fuller,
more elaborate anthems.  but the duo's strength has remained its mix of
powerful harmonies, and disparate personalities and writing styles.

        saliers writes with a fluid, folk touch while partner amy ray has
a rougher rock approach and is more likely to pen powerful, melodic songs.
together, they have released an impressive string of gold and platinum
albums, including a pair of live recordings.

        but when it came time to record _shaming of the sun_, the two
learned that they didn't have a producer.  they arranged for peter
collins to help them out for a few weeks, but then the search for someone
else went nowhere.

        "we got to this point where we felt like we were pulling teeth
trying to bring somebody in to be a producer," saliers said.

        necessity bred invention, and the two decided to co-produce the
album on their own with engineer david leonard.  with self-defined
freedom in the studio, the two took new chances on the album.

        "once we decided to produce the album ourselves with david
leonard, we kind of went around the studio picking up instruments and
trying parts, and that's how it came about," saliers said of the album's
liberal use of banjo, mandolin, dulcimer and even hurdy-gurdy.

        the two also took different approaches to writing much of the
music.

        "this time, we both started playing electric guitar more, and we
were interested in finding some different musical textures," said saliers,
who wrote some of her songs on banjo and piano.

        "my writing's different on piano," she said.  "maybe it's because
your hands are in a different position, or maybe it's because my chord
vocabulary is a lot simpler on piano.  that focus made it easy for a song
like _leeds_ to come about, which is a dark song.

        "banjo, it takes you to a different place.  it's kind of a
haunting instrument in a way; it's got that twangy, sort of backroads
country feel to it.  _get out the map_ is kind of a backroads, country,
good-feeling kind of song."

        working the album into the live show has been difficult at times.

        "this time around, touring has been more of a challenge because
the songs are more electric- or band-oriented, and we're playing with a
band now.  and we know that a lot of our fans like to hear the old
acoustic stuff.

        "the live performance is a lot more challenging than going in and
making the album that we wanted to make."

        the indigo girls have a full plate for the summer.  in addition to
their own slate of shows, they will be joining the lilith fair and
repeating 1995's honor the earth idea, in which the duo toured 21 cities
and raised $300,000 for american indian causes.  this september, the two
will tour and focus their attention on nuclear waste issues.

        we're doing one every time we tour," saliers said.  "there are so
many issues out there."

        this week's red rocks shows will mark the duo's last before they
start with the lilith fair.  the duo has added patti smith to the red
rocks' bill and will add one other artist to ensure the shows are special.

        "patti smith--amy and i worship her music," saliers said.  "and we
wanted to do a woman in rock type of night."

        it sounds a bit like a festival in its own right.  have the indigo
girls considered taking the concept out on extended tour sometime in the
future?

        "yes, we have thought about that, actually," saliers said.  "and
that's all i'm going to say for now.  but expect it.  we've got something
in the works."
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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 19:39:09 +0000
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i need 1 ticket for the two toronto shows and the montreal show. any
help on getting a source of good seats would be <greatly> appreciated.

advthanksance,

monique

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 23:49:11 -0400
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subject:      nigc: club r & r - price info ?

i came across club r&r for $85.  its described as indigo girls/allman
brothers,
promo-only live acoustic cd 7 cuts f/b inserts.  can anyone tell me if this
is a decent price.  any info would be appreciated.  thanks!!

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date:         mon, 21 jul 1997 23:54:08 edt
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: fs: ferron "phantom center" w/ tori amos backup vox! (fwd)
x-to:         hamilton@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu
in-reply-to:  <pine.sun.3.96.970721122753.14130b-100000@bayflash>; from "joe
              hamilton" at jul 21, 97 12:29 pm

>
> ---------- forwarded message ----------
> date: 20 jul 97 18:40:40 gmt
> from: bobafett@dol.net
> newsgroups: rec.music.marketplace.cd
> subject: fs: ferron "phantom center" w/ tori amos backup vox!
>
> hi -
>     $23 postpaid. e-mail if interested.
>
> james
>
this is a legitimate commercial album and the price is way too much! i've seen
the cd in used music stores for $8.50 (i bought my cassette copy for $3.50.)
kirsten

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