lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-08b


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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 00:03:29 -0400
reply-to:     ndygotiggr@aol.com
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from:         j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject:      re: ny tour dates

and what about fla, too?  you didn't mention that while jacksonville (central
fla) is getting a show, and there will be two shows in south fla, there will
not be any shows in north or northwest florida, which are totally different
areas.  it would be 10 hours for me to go to the show in jax!  there's no way
i can do something like that.  they could at least come to south alabama or
pensacola, it's not as if there aren't colleges and venues in our area.  can
we all tell *i'm* a little torqued?

so what about it, amy & emily???  do you hate us up here in the panhandle???

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
   -   novitiate of suzanneglassism
     - president, grlchasr26 fan club
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show me just a little of your omnipresent brain!
show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die,
you're far too keen on where and when and not so hot on why!
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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 00:14:00 -0400
reply-to:     elise <emf@lightlink.com>
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from:         elise <emf@lightlink.com>
subject:      toronto lilith fair tix
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i am hoping to find 4 toronto lilith fair tix for 8/16.  if anyone can help
me out please let me know.

thanks, elise

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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 00:43:22 -0400
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from:         marci gluck <mgluck2653@aol.com>
subject:      lilith scranton tix 4 sale

i have a tix for lilith fair on wed the 13th (aug).  it's only one lawn tix
and i'm not sure of the exact price but will find out if you email me
privately!

marci

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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 00:50:36 -0400
reply-to:     dsrogers@utk.edu
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from:         ds rogers <dsrogers@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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subject:      regarding everyone on closer to fine (nashville lf)
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well, i don't agree with doug. i have this to say:
1. jewel did a terrific job, who cares if she changed the verse a little
bit? she did it on purpose i think. remember that she never went to
college and i'm not even sure if she graduated from high school. so, she
left out the part about getting her paper. big deal. it sounded great.
in fact i actually think it what she sang (i spent four years of my life
prostrate to the higher mind) sounds better than the ig version (i spent
four years prostrate to the higher mind). what do y'all think? i think
it flows better or something. so if this is all true, maybe jewel
actually spent a lot of time thinking about what she would sing and made
these decisions about it. (instead of as doug suggests, not preparing
fully.)
2. lisa loeb. i too thought she messed up at first but everyone i was
with thought she did it on purpose in order to act like she was drunk.
it was supposedly really funny to the people i was with. i'm not surew
if i liked it but i agree that she sounded like she was doing it on
purpose because of her hand motions. by the way, she has a wonderful
voice.

anyways, i loved it! everyone really enjoyed it. most of all it
accomplished three things:
1. 4 of my 5 favorite musicians were playing together on one stage!!!
if ani had been there i may have fainted from the majesty!
2. it added a whole new twist to a song which i can honestly say i've
heard more times that i would like to admit. i mean, it can get a little
old to hear them play closer to fine at the end of every show. i'm sure
they feel like they've played it about enough. it turns something
potentially repetitively boring (thats too strong of a word) into
something like a once-in-a-lifetime song to hear due to the combination
of artists on it.
3. most impotantly, i think it does a lot for lilith fair as a whole to
see all the artists having fun and collaborating together. even if it
didnt sound terrific, which it did, it was still a special moment for
everyone there and seemed to unite all the lilith performers (except i
had to wonder how katell keineg and kelly willis felt being not up
there, or what the reason was. maybe they were but i didnt see them. i
didnt have great seats).

thats enough of my talking about that now.

david!

davidsrogers
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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 00:52:15 -0400
reply-to:     dsrogers@utk.edu
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from:         ds rogers <dsrogers@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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subject:      re: nashville lilith fair michelle malone review
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nashville lilith fair was great!

the highlight for me was meeting michelle malone. before her set she was
sitting down beside the accoustic stage and i talked to her. she
autographed the inside of the new experience booklet for me, which i had
brought with me just in case, and it said:

to david
love,
michelle malone

now i have all three indigo girls' autographs and it says love, michelle
malone! awesome!

i requested that she play blue suede and she opened with it! my
girlfriend asked her to play counting stars and she said okay but i dont
know if she would have or not if joan hadnt yelled it out. thank you
joan! we really wanted to hear that. it seemed like a cool coincidence
that you requested it after we had before her set. she couldnt really
trun us down then i guess. she seemed a little surprised though that we
wanted to hear it didnt she? she was like "oh, okay, so we're feeling
mellow now, huh?"
the setlist was:
1. blue suede
2. the edge
3. counting stars
4. wild horses
like i said, this was the highlight in my opinion. she was really really
friendly when i was talking to her. she had a good quote to on stage she
said" "i'm michelle malone. you can buy all my albums over there. we
have a mailing list, there's posters over there, and t-shirts to buy
over there. life is a good place." :)

david
davidsrogers
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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 15:00:29 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      re: ny tour dates & random points
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hey everyone,

deb reiser said:
>no offense to my fine friends out east, but who the hell is making up this
>tour schedule????????

but, deb - i thought *you* were the one making up the
schedule!  you're the one who's always posting dates and
things... hehe.

amusing sight of the day: a pile of "shaming of the sun"s
at the record store with "warning: this recording contains
explicit language" stickers on them. :)

trivial point of the day: the australian version of the sots
lyric booklet is printed on glossy paper, while the us
version is printed on matt paper.

thanks, everybody, for your forebearance during yesterday's
list outage.  the list was down for, what, 12 hours, and
no one panicked!  i'm proud of y'all.

:)
sherlyn
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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 00:09:10 -0600
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@megsinet.net>
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>no offense to my fine friends out east, but who the hell is making up this
>tour schedule????????

list!  hi--i must agree with list goddess deb and say that the new dates
being announced blow.  as a native east coaster i can certainly understand
why all the dates are taking place there--the east coast has great great
fans and is a great great place....until of course the east coasters tire
of the attitude and move out west.  the ig tour maker people need to
realize that the midwest is in need big time of a headline tour.  it is
crap that chicago has not had a headline ig date since sept of 94.  and
lilith doesn't count--tinley park il is hardly chicago.  we need em at the
metro!!  ok enough of that.

oh btw--for those who did not get my ig list meet times--we are meeting
after emmy lou harris and before jewel at the far right cement staircase
(as if you are looking into the audience from the stage)  that leads to the
lawn seats.  it's the border of the lawn seats and the pavillion.

now for the borders bullshit time.  i just called to receive the latest
info.  it is indeed at 5 pm which is total garbage.  i may miss lisa
loeb!!!!  drama!!!!  the message stated that only one item would be signed
and that no pictures were going to be allowed.  these restrictions make me
cry but how often to we get to say hi to a and e in person.  i plan to be
there even if i miss emmy lou  ;).  the 5 pm time is rude but i still feel
ig had no say in it.  a full report will be had after the weekend.  take
care y'all

greg

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date:         thu, 7 aug 1997 21:46:52 -0700
reply-to:     christine allen <spirits4@m-art.com>
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from:         christine allen <spirits4@m-art.com>
subject:      nigc:mm tour dates :)
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hi y'all,
just a quick correction on one of the mm tour dates:  aug. 28th boise, id
at neuroluxe not bogie's.  we were told she starts at 9pm :)  for more
info, call 208-343-0886.
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date:         thu, 7 aug 1997 23:26:07 -0500
reply-to:     tony at mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu>
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from:         tony at mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu>
subject:      re: booting, whoo-hoooos, and lack of dialogue
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at 09:59 pm 8/4/97 -0500, lisa m. schreihart wrote:
>a whooo-hooo here and there is great...they show

my pet peeve is still all the folks in places like austin, dallas, and san
antonio who cheer when emily mentions churches burning in texas. how is
that something to cheer about? and, it's a quitet, reflective, haunting
song. howabout a quiet, reflective, and haunted audience?

>and then there's all the talking.  i'd just like to
>request that people pay attention to everyone
>around them and be cognizant of booters.   you'd
>be surprised what you sound like.

no, i wouldn't. i've recorded myself lots of times, and i *can't* sing.
<grin>. that's why i don't want to be caught trying <bigger grin>.

on boots, i've never been asked to hush. believe me, if asked, i do
everything up through field repairs on your equipment to keep you going.
that would include hushing...but i bet there are some who don't, and i hope
they pay attention to this thread.

on general talking, i'm gradually learning that too much talking over the
songs leaves me in pain for a day or so. i'm trying to train myself not to
do it. but i have been guilty.

>plus, i've heard complaints, or concerns, coming from the list
>about a&e not talking to the audience as much as they used
>to....  how can this change, or will it always get
>worse?
>
hopefully, we will drag the newbies along with us as we go. hopefully we
will be going in the right direction, too. but beyond hope, and looking at
ourselves, i can't think of anything to work on. we don't want to forget
how much fun we have! we should just try and make it better for those who
aren't having as much fun as they could be.

the key: pay attention to the fans around you, think about them when you do
what you do.

i think a more attentive audience would help the dialogue flow more.

lisa, i think you have hit at least one of the nails here.

tony
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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 02:38:39 edt
reply-to:     kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
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from:         kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu>
subject:      re: fw: english? (fwd)
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in-reply-to:  <199708080246.waa18052@mime3.prodigy.com>; from "elizabeth c
              skipper" at aug 7, 97 10:46 pm

identical copies of that list have been posted to the list *twice* in the
past week! please, everyone, read the faq and do as it says: don't post
non-ig-related forwards to the list. this is not a flame, because 500-line
humor forwards are more irritating than any response to them could possibly be.

now back to the list's regularly scheduled love, peace, kindness, and
tolerance (hehehehehe....)
kirsten

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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 03:25:05 -0400
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from:         erin ledingham <flashgirl8@aol.com>
subject:      lilith in cincy

oh...i can't even put it into words.  all i can say is that the whole thing
was absolutely breathtaking.  i don't want to sound foolish, so i'll let
someone else give a proper review, but i will say that the show included a
version of "closer to fine" featuring lisa loeb, emmylou harris, sarah
mclachlan, amy & emily (of course), jewel, and her dad.  jewel's dad claimed
to be there to see emmylou.

nearly speechless, for the first time ever,
erin
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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 07:47:02 -0400
reply-to:     sarikins@aol.com
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from:         sari laufer <sarikins@aol.com>
subject:      re: booting and legality

i might have missed the beginning of this thread- so pardon me if i'm all
confused. if you're talking about sending boots being illegal, i have to say
that i think it depends on the band's policy. there are a lot of bands out
there- i don't know fi the girls are one of them- who not only allow, but
encourage taping.
sari

<<
> i wonder if there's any precedent for mail fraud prosecution in such a
> case... anyone know?  i understand that the penalties for mail fraud are
> pretty stiff.
>
but booting itself is legally shaky, anyway, so it would go against the
interests of everyone involved to try to take legal action.
kirsten
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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 07:51:27 -0400
reply-to:     sarikins@aol.com
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from:         sari laufer <sarikins@aol.com>
subject:      re: east coast

not only do i second that, but let me add how much it sucks that they play
all the east coast shows when i'm at school, and then decide to play chicago
when i'm home in nyc fo the summer. it's like they don't want me there
anymore!!! what did i do???:-)

sari, who's really hoping for a chi-town show in the fall, though not when
i'm home for thanksgiving/winter break!

<<
no offense to my fine friends out east, but who the hell is making up this
tour schedule????????

by the time august comes to an end, the northeast area (going as far west as
pa, south as dc and as north as canada) will have had 22 shows since spring!
(25 if i count virginia but i thought that was pushing it).

and what do we in the fine states of wi, mn, il, ia, and in get (heck, i
might as well include mo and ks)??? one college tour show (davenport) and
four 50 minute lilith fair performances -- and for me, two of those are six
hour drives! and then we finally get blessed with a signing appearance in
the city that not only has a sucky football team but also has funky green
hot dog relish -- chicago -- and those who attend it will have to miss a
third of lilith if they go???? (thank god i'm helping beth move this weekend
so i don't have to make _that_ decision!;)

they knew all along that the east coast was getting the hte tour, so why do
so many college and shed shows in the same area??? i don't get it.

all i can say is that i sure as heck hope that come nov/dec that we get a
slew of club and theatre dates.
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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 06:42:35 -0500
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      indy list meet

if anyone knows anything about a deer creek
list meet for tonight, please e-mail me at
lmschrei@cacd.rockwell.com  (that's an "l" at
the beginning there).  thanks!  i'll be able to
get that e-mail up until 11 a.m. today at work.
thanks!

lisa

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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 06:25:37 -0500
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      "whooooo-hoooooo" commentary understood/misunderstood

lynda said.....

> i dont think this thread started off aimed at getting everyone to sit
>quietly at ig concerts. its just that as you go to more ig concerts
>lately the crowd is just loud and there is so much talking.

thanks, lynda.  you understand me.

then deb said....

>......woohooing and talking about how the new songs suck ar yelling
"romeo and
>juliet" during "hey kind friend" or other ballads is rude to those
around
>you and rude to the performers.

>re-read what lisa is saying. she's not saying be a stick in the mud,
she's
>just saying respect those around you. if there's one thing that concerns
me
>about ig shows (actually society in general) it's that for many, manners
and
>respect are left in the parking lot.

thanks, again.  precisely what i was saying.  <are you married yet, deb?
:) >

tig also put in her "2 happy coppers" with.....

>and after all, if you're hollering and screeching, then nobody can hear
amy
>when she goes off on one of her tangents in the middle of a song!!!!
can you
>imagine missing one of those?  cuz i'd be ticked.

you kick, tig!  :)

also, ron's "2 cents towards tolerance and cooperation" was well thought
out and well said, and represented both arguments well.


well, i said i wouldn't post about this again, but it is
obvious that people are misunderstanding me, except for these kind folks
who have come to my defense (see above, and others).
lemme give you an example....

when i was looking for the bumbershoot '96 boot, i got
several responses where the big issue was who had the
boot  version without the "screamer" on it.
(binky, mmedido@aol.com, posted about this too.  thanks!)  why
was this an issue if y'all don't care about those one or
two excessive people in the audience who just won't
stop yelling during those quiet times?  i'm sure several
people wanted to shut that chick up, whether they were
in her general vicinity or not.  these are the people i'm
talking about.  same goes for talkers during quiet songs.
one little group of women talked incessently, at least
50% of the show (a lot), about whatnot, during most of
the songs, on that boot i have.  yak, yak, yak, yak, yak....
makes you wonder what they were even there for.  it really
got old after a while.  worse yet, it showed up loud and
clear on the boot, drowning out some of the songs.
this, folks, would have been one of the most awesome
boots i've ever heard if it hadn't been for the yakkers behind
us.  (but, i understand that boots are candid shots of the
show, so i love it nonetheless and even chuckle at some
of the comments i hear on it, since i remember them being
said.)

on the other hand, i just got a boot of this year's wolf trap,
and wow!!!!, what a crowd!!  i felt like i was there.  it was
soooooo energetic and loud!  that's what i love.  but
there didn't seem to be one single "idiot" in the audience
who had to pick themselves out and be obnoxious.  i envy
those of you who got to go to that concert.  the crowd
sounded like they were ready to explode!  what a great
way to show appreciation for a&e!!

i'm heading to the indy and chicago lilith fairs tonight....
another awesome road-trip.  i'm hoping to hear lots
of whoooo-hoooooos, a thunderous crowd, and singing
at the tops of lungs 'til the wee hours of the night!  i hope the
crowd "appreciates it fully"and gives a&e their full attention without
being excessively obnoxious to irritate those around them.

lisa


>date:    wed, 6 aug 1997 10:32:37 -0500
>from:    kiezha smith <ksmith@sewanee.edu>
>subject: wooohooooing, et al

>if you've ever been to an ig show where the music wasn't appreciated
fully
>(hard to imagine i know) -like a show i attended at an outdoor festival
in
>knoxville 4 years ago- then you know that all that carrying on is part
of
>the fun! i expect to hear the entire crowd singing along, and when they
>don't..what a let down.

>at the risk of reiterating the point, let the revelry exist :) why make
it
>anything less than the joyful celebration it ought to be? this seems to
>coincide with the recent thread of lightening up and losing the
>intensity...

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to whomever it was that requested a page that had mm lyrics....i found one
last night (and was overjoyed at this find as i had been looking myself).
if you go to:

http://www.hidwater.com/bds/

and go all the way to the bottom of the page it will list for your all of
her tapes/recordings...just click on whichever one you want the lyrics to
and presto - you're there.

hope this helps all -

peace,

lori
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now you have gone tooooo far young lady!!!!!!!!!!!!!ms. sari..for your
information..we have a sucky baseball team..ain't ya never heard of the
cubs????????????
the bears are only moderatly piss poor.....

and as for green relish?????my dear..one needs to aquire a taste for
chicago style red hots.....they taste great with an ice cold mug of
schlitz!!!!!!!!!
nuf said

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hey y'all....sorry if i missed this, but i'm hearing conflicting reports.
does anyone know when tickets for the tampa, fl hte show go onsale?

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hi all,
there is an on-line version of an interview with emily from _nuvo_, an
indianapolis weekly paper. here is the link:

http://www.nuvo-online.com/cover/cover2.html

enjoy,
suzanne glass, on her way to lillith today,ready to release her new cd,
and very excited about both!

http://www.suzanneglass.com

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i have 1 tix for the lf at scranton on next wednesday (aug 13th) - is the
flu going around or something???  it's a lawn ticket for around $30, and
i'll be at the show to sell it to anyone needing one.  let me know
privately, thanks!
btw, fyi, another single lawn ticket is being sold by 'marci' - who
e-mailed the list a little earlier.

mike

ps:  don't laugh kirsten.....it's good news not bad......<big grin>... :)

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>
> i might have missed the beginning of this thread- so pardon me if i'm all
> confused. if you're talking about sending boots being illegal, i have to say
> that i think it depends on the band's policy. there are a lot of bands out
> there- i don't know fi the girls are one of them- who not only allow, but
> encourage taping.
it can still be technically illegal (though certainly not morally wrong,
imowo) even if the band encourages it, because technically, when a band is
under contract to a record company it's the record company that owns the
band's little butts (right?)
kirsten

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i thought nashville lf was a fantastic show, but i agree with doug on ctf.
i mean, how hard is it to read off the sheet? i was amused by it, but i
think i would rather have had my 50- min of straight ig. of course, i've
seen emmylou with ig before, at vanderbilt and she can rock with them
anytime, in my humble opinion. and now i'm on a serious ig craving because
fifty minutes just isnt enough!!

and i left with a much more positive feeling about jewel than the one i
took in. she's pretty raw yet, but there's a voice on that woman that can
wail!

one last bit- i was so pleased to see how gentle the crowds were, even
though they were very near capacity (17,000). starwood is a sucky venue for
most events but this one was peaceful (no fires on the lawn) and everyone
seemed really happy. now if i had just gotten my spinach dip...lol...

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at 07:54 am 8/8/97 -0700, pooh wrote:
>now you have gone tooooo far young lady!!!!!!!!!!!!!ms. sari..for your
>information..we have a sucky baseball team..ain't ya never heard of the
>cubs????????????
>the bears are only moderatly piss poor.....

hey, let's get one thing straight: _i_ said the bear suck, not sari, and i
stand by words! how about a 1-15 record this season? sounds good to me.

>and as for green relish?????my dear..one needs to aquire a taste for
>chicago style red hots.....they taste great with an ice cold mug of
>schlitz!!!!!!!!!

that green color is unnatural! i swear it glows. the rest of the dog is
great although a miller product is a more appropriate side :)

deb

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hey everyone!!

ok, so who is heading to starlake next tuesday for lilith?  if anyone is
going that-a-way, i will organize some kind of list meet....

post to the list, mail me privately..it matters not to me!!!!!  :)

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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ok, so here is the question of the week......

where are y'all finding these tour dates?????????  :)

i wanna see too!!!!!!!!

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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at 09:41 am 8/7/97 -0500, abigail wrote:
>ok, so the borders web site says they'll be signing copies of their new
>album, sots, and now i hear it's limited to 1 autograph per person!? can
>anyone who's been to one of ig's in-store appearances before or has inside
>info on the borders situation tell me if that means 1) that the *only* thing
>i can get signed as my one item is a copy of sots?

one item, you pick it.

> (and furthermore, do i
>have to buy *another* copy from borders to get it signed?)

generally the store will just put a sticker of some sort on your cd to
indicate that you brought it in.

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at 01:57 pm 8/7/97 edt, kirsten chevalier wrote:
>>
>> i wonder if there's any precedent for mail fraud prosecution in such a
>> case... anyone know?  i understand that the penalties for mail fraud are
>> pretty stiff.
>>
>but booting itself is legally shaky, anyway, so it would go against the
>interests of everyone involved to try to take legal action.

i know it's illegal to *sell* promos (i.e., the promo video in question),
but is it illegal to tape them?

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at 01:52 pm 8/7/97 -0400, mel wrote:
>note to abby mcguire <abby493@aol.com>: i don't know about nj (anymore),
>but on my newport boot, mm's version of wild horses isn't missin'
>nuthin'. wooohooooo!!  ;-)  sorry (again), i couldn't resist.

i have to agree with abby on this one.  in the ig/mm version, amy builds
slowly, and then mm takes it up a notch (or ten <g>)), and every time i've
seen it the crowd goes nuts at that point.  the version i saw at the 9:30
club the other night didn't have that punch to it, and while i enjoyed it,
i thought the version with amy was much better.

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subject:      re: pittsburgh lilith..... seattle is coming too!!!

i am going!!!
lynn from seattle is going to lilith in pittsburgh!!!!

i actually am going on my yearly visit to pittsburgh to see my family
8-)
and of course while i am there.........(sarcasm)........i might as well
catch ig @ lilith...
in other words....
i am so glad my family lives in pittsburgh right now!!!!  :-)

anyway - i am up for a pittsburgh list gathering.
we seattle listers know how have awesome list gathering - let's see what
"the burgh" listers can do!!!  how about a "ig tailgate party"???
the seating is not general admission right?  so no one has to stand in
line for 14 hours - so what do you think?
thanks friends!!!
lynn  :o)

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> hey everyone!!
>
> ok, so who is heading to starlake next tuesday for lilith?  if anyone
> is
> going that-a-way, i will organize some kind of list meet....
>
> post to the list, mail me privately..it matters not to me!!!!!  :)
>
> peace, love and ig-
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so i just called ticketmaster for the buffalo concert...

(before i say this, if anyone near you know the heimlech manuver, you may
want ot request their assistance......)

tix go on sale monday aug. 11 at 10 am.

price?

$50.00 (!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)  and $21.50 for back seats......


aw-guh, aw-ugh, sputter, sputter, cough cough....


i know that this the the hte tour but holy jesus!  after all that ticket
bastard shipping and handling stuff, those tix are going to be close to
$65 bucks......

does anyone know the meaning of poor college student??

oh well, there goes the lights..and the phone..and food for a month!!

buffalo, here i come!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


peace, love and ig-
karrie

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at 10:41 am 8/8/97 -0400, you wrote:
>at 01:57 pm 8/7/97 edt, kirsten chevalier wrote:
>>>
>>> i wonder if there's any precedent for mail fraud prosecution in such a
>>> case... anyone know?  i understand that the penalties for mail fraud are
>>> pretty stiff.
>>>
>>but booting itself is legally shaky, anyway, so it would go against the
>>interests of everyone involved to try to take legal action.
>
>i know it's illegal to *sell* promos (i.e., the promo video in question),
>but is it illegal to tape them?

technically, yes. it is a violation of the copyright just as is making a
tape of cds for your car.

deb

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> i know it's illegal to *sell* promos (i.e., the promo video in question),
> but is it illegal to tape them?

it is technically illegal to make boots (sometime even if the bands are
cool with it) because it also depends on the venue. most places wont
allow you to bring in recorders, cameras ect. even though the ig's have
pubilcally said they dont mind bootlegs of there live shows "as long as
noone is making a profit".  for those of us who remember the rainy day
story amy was very clear about this!!

i went to a dead show a bunch of years ago all ready to tape, and some
looser door guy game me shit about my recorder even though the dead had
a special section for tapers!! the reason was that this venue simpy
didnt allow any outside recording at all!!

its the people who sell boots for profit that should be concerned, not
us traders!!

lynda

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did anyone hear anything about emily receiving her b'day presents? i know
they were given to dave ellison to deliver to her, but that's the last
thing i heard.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      part 2: amy ray interview

voices of women:  amy ray of the indigo girls
by kelly barrick hovendick

part two

hk: many of your songs are a source of strength and empowerment for us as
women, but yet, the indigo girls don't shy away from the evils of the world
[amy laughs] such as racial discrimination and sexual discrimination adn
ecosystem destruction and those kinds of things.  why do your songs remain so
full of hope?

ar: well, i think because we have hope.  it's a sort of zen thing i guess
[laughs].  it's like, you're aware of this constant balance of things, but it
doesn't mean that you, it doesn't defeat you for work. . . you know, i'm
aware that there's a balance in life.  there's going to be negative stuff and
maybe it's supposed to be that way, but i know that my role in life is to do
what i'm doing and if i don't, i'm tipping the scales too much.

kh: that's a great way to look at things.

ar:  and so that's kind of the way i look at it.  i think emily feels the
same way and it screws with us a lot.  it screws with everybody and i think
that's what happens when you get older, you go, "well, screw it. i'm [laughs]
going to be comfortable, i'm not going to compromise anymore on the consumer
level and i'm just going to do what i want to do . . ." and it's like, you
can't do that.  because you start tipping scales and you're messing with
something.  you need to feel true to your ... what your instinct is and maybe
there's people in the world that are supposed to be involved in
overconsumption, i don't know.  but, all i know is what i'm supposed to be
doing.

kh: that makes sense. on a more local level, new mexico prides itself as
being full of multiculturalism, very large native peoples population,
hispanic, black and white populations as well and you are involved, very
involved, with the indigenous women's netowrk...

ar: yeah, they're one of the founding groups of honor the earth.

kh: right.  what are your suggestions for more respect and harmony for all of
the people, particularly within that multicultural framework?

ar:  i think it's important to just reach out and get to know each other.  i
mean, you can't escape media and the gross stereotypes and misrepresentations
of whole groups of people, and we see that and before we know it, we react
and the most liberal of people have prejudices that they don't understand
where they come from.  and i think that you just have to study that.  and
don't be too proud to think that you might have some of that, too.  i notice
that people are scared sometimes to approach people from other cultures.
it's the fear of the unknown, but it's also that they feel like, well,
they're not going to accept me or they're going to think i'm raining on their
parade if i go in and ask them what's going on in their world.  but the
reality is, if your intentions are good and you're motivated by the right
thing and you're gracious about it, which is hard to do as a white middle
class american, you learn a lot.  i think patience and listening are the two
most important elements in that, especially with indigenous, indian cultures.
because we all go into those comunities and we get all brash and full of
ourselves about what they should be doing or this or that and it's bullshit.
you need to listen.

kh:  what about challenges for women?  right now, women from so many
different age groups and walks of life are subscribing to the "feminist"
movement.  and i'd like to know what kind of challenges you think this is
going to hold for women?

ar:  well, women have problems with being prejudiced against each other, too,
within our own community, and straight women understanding gay women and vice
versa and black, white, hispanic, you know.  one of the issues that i always
have trouble with is women's groups that don't address the different
socio-economic levels and don't involve different cultures and people of
different colors.  i'm seeing that that's getting better, honestly, that
people are moving towards that.  it's just, i remember i was taking an
afro-american course in college and the teacher held a meeting with just the
women one day because the black and white women were not getting along with
each other in class.  it was bizarre.  and we need, within your own
community, to not oppress each other within your own community.  help each
other out.  i think that's something i'm constantly aware of.

(that's all for now, gotta take a shower.  i will probably finish this in two
more parts.  stay tuned!)
peace,
kathy

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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 11:58:36 -0400
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hey, i have a tailgate!!  i have a big old bronco with a hell of a sound
system (don, tamara...you know this..you heard it at blossom!!  ;)  )  i
have a cooler...i have an ig bumersticker...and i have ig music!!
i even have sarah, jewel, mary chapin carpenter (man, i wish she was on
this leg...) some melissa, and some awesome patty griffin (thanks
ma!!)..hell, if it is a woman in music, i should be able to scrounge her
album uip somewhere in this mess i call an apartment!  :)


why yes, yes, i believe we can have one hell of a tailgate party!!

no, it isn't general admission.....my seats are reserved....

so, i will organize!!  anyone coming, email me privately, and we will
figure the particulars out...

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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to whomever i'm trading with - i'm leaving for philly in a few short hours
and i know i owe a few of you lists and picks and whatnot - i'll be back
sunday night and finish up what i started :)

chris

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hi y'all,

does anyone out there know when and where tickets for the valdosta ga show
go on sale?
thanks
amy  =)

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well, not really... if you all are ig fans, i'm sure welcomes are fairly
automatic.

anyway, i just want to introduce myself (i didn't see a no-no about such
activity in the faq).

i've been a fan since '88 or '89, whenever i heard 'closer to fine' for
the first time... i was hooked.  plus i thought amy was kick-*ss
good-looking.  it was only later i found out i'm probably not her type
(regardless, still both are beautiful in mind, body & soul).

i'm overwhelming joyed at finding this list.  nobody i know (with a scant
few exceptions) knows ig even exist beyond 'closer...'.  naturally i feel
the obligation to sit them down and pop in a cd or their mtv unplugged
appearance i taped several years ago.

i'm a high school teacher and use ig music occassionally in my lessons.
seems like a natural possibility for an english, literature, or poetry
teacher, huh?  well, actually, i'm a biology teacher.  while ig don't
particularly play to to the high school pop crowd tastes, the kids really
can get the music and start to enjoy it. <bseg>

ok, now, i'm living in tucson, az.  big question... is anyone here from
the old pueblo (tucson) or at least from az?  it seems no matter what
list i join i'm the only one in the state who is a member.  please tell
me i'm not alone again  :)

another question; has anyone heard of any possibilities that a&e will be
in tucson, ever?

oh well, that's it for now.
later folks,
tod

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subject:      what i did on my summer vacation.....(igc!)

hey everyone!

i just came back home after being away for about 3 1/2 weeks, and while i
was away i had a few interesting indigo-related experiences, so i thought
i'd delurk and share them with the list.....

(just to warn you--this is pretty long....)

i spent three weeks of my summer at a lithuanian camp in vermont that
i've been going to every year for the past ten years. one of my best
friends from camp, gilija, absolutely loves to sing, like i do, so a lot
of times we end up singing all kinds of different songs together while
we're there. it wasn't long before we found out that we both knew and
loved closer to fine, and that with her singing emily's part and me
singing amy's, we could actually sing a pretty decent-sounding version of
the song. so we thought hey, why not sing it together for the talent
show, along with indre, one of the counselors who also loves ctf and the
igs.

well, the only problem with that was, this being a lithuanian camp, we
weren't allowed to sing any songs in english for the talent show. (why we
were allowed to sing songs in any language other than english is beyond
me--stupid camp rule--but, anyway....) so, if we actually wanted to sing
it, we'd have to translate it.

at first i wasn't really too enthusiastic about this idea--i thought that
if we translated it, changed it, messed around with the words, sang it
any differently than a&e had originally intended it to be, it just
wouldn't be as good. besides, gilija and i didn't think we'd have enough
time to actually sit down, translate it, and make it sound good.

well, one morning (the morning of the talent show, actually), gilija and
i woke up and came out of the cabin only to find indre on the porch, all
excited and anxious to tell us something. it turned out that the night
before, when she couldn't sleep, she had been "inspired" and translated
almost all of ctf into lithuanian--it sounded awesome!  (she even knew
the lithuanian word for "insatiable". :o) ) amazing. we sang it for the
talent show that night, converting at least 3/4 of the camp into ig fans
in the process. neat, huh?

btw, during the rest of my stay at camp, i ended up also translating i
don't wanna know (this one i did all by myself! :o) ) and singing it with
gilija, indre, and another counselor.  and i figured out how to play
leeds on the piano--i ended up singing that one, too, by myself (but not
translated). and all during the 1 1/2 weeks of camp that were left after
the talent show, people kept begging us to sing ctf again. (some of the
guys even attempted to sing it, too....only their version consisted of
them repeating "i went to the mountains" over and over again, because
they didn't know the real words. :o) ) i thought some of them might get
sick of hearing ctf over and over again....but they loved it!

indigo girls in another language....who ever would have thought?

kristina :o)

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subject:      just passing through

a question for anyone living in maryland or dc.....

a while ago (in april, i think) the igs were on just passing through on
whfs. i wanted to tape it, but i only got the last couple minutes of
it--galileo and about half of caramia. did anyone else happen to tape
it--all of it, that is--who is willing to send me a copy if i send a
tape?

kristina :o)

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i know how sara came to the ig but i won't tell.....ha ha ha
just bask in her greatness like i do and everything will be ok!


julie c. / lift

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subject:      (nigc) nashville lilith fair

one thing i forgot to mention about the nashville lilith fair -  jewel
sang a patti smith song, and man did she *rock*!!!  does anyone know
the name of that song?
peace,

joan :-d

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joan morrison wrote:
>
> one thing i forgot to mention about the nashville lilith fair -  jewel
> sang a patti smith song, and man did she *rock*!!!  does anyone know
> the name of that song?

dancin' barefoot! this was jewel's setlist:

near you always
studies in love #12
little sister
carnivore (w/ new little bridge thing towards the end)
morning song
been down so long
love me just leave me alone
dancin' barefoot
down
don't
?angel?- (new song that she wrote for her daddy (very sweet :' ) )
foolish games
angel standing by

jewel is so great!

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hey all -
maybe somebody else already posted it, but - ig tix for tampa @ sun dome
go on sale today, aug 8 @ 5:00 pm (thru ticketmaster).
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at 09:56 am 8/8/97 -0500, deb reiser wrote:
>>i know it's illegal to *sell* promos (i.e., the promo video in question),
>>but is it illegal to tape them?
>
>technically, yes. it is a violation of the copyright just as is making a
>tape of cds for your car.

not trying to run this into that ground, but... you pay for cds; the video
promos were given away to the public, and that's what i thought might make
a difference.

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check out this www site (http://www.pollstar.com) - it has the ig tour
dates from 8/6 though 10/24. per a friend of mine, pollstar generally
posts the info once they get it from the booking agency.

here's what they have:

08/06/97   antioch, tn (starwood amphitheatre)
08/07/97   cincinnati, oh (riverbend music center)
08/08/97   noblesville, in (deer creek music center)
08/09/97   tinley park, il (new world music theatre)
08/10/97   columbus, oh (polaris amphitheatre)
08/12/97   burgettstown, pa (star lake amphitheatre)
08/13/97   scranton, pa (montage mountain)
08/15/97   toronto, ont (molson amphitheatre)
08/16/97   toronto, ont (molson amph.)
08/17/97   montreal, que (stade dumaurier)
08/19/97   milwaukee, wi (marcus amphitheatre)
08/20/97   shakopee, mn (canterbury park)
08/24/97   vancouver, bc (thunderbird stadium)
09/13/97   lewiston, me (grey gym)
09/15/97   poughkeepsie, ny (marist college)
09/19/97   boone, nc (appalachian st. univ.)
09/20/97   blacksburg, va (burruss auditorium)
09/21/97   columbia, sc (township auditorium)
09/25/97   jacksonville, fl (florida theatre)
09/26/97   tampa, fl (usf sun dome)
09/27/97   west palm beach, fl (coral sky amphitheatre)
10/18/97   valdosta, ga (valdosta st. univ)

(they do caution some of the dates listed may not yet be on sale or could
change without notice.)

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      east coast tour

hi all.

of course i was estatic to see those south florida dates posted, but coral
sky in west palm is denying any knowlegde of a sept 27 show and russel
carter's office is saying it's an unconfirmed date.

what does that mean in tourspeak...i mean do these unconfirmed dates usually
pan out?

one other undoubtedly stupid question: how will the honor the earth tour --
which is what i read froom you all the west palm show will be -- differ from
the show you guys all around the country have been seeing??

i support hte, but i'd be bummed if this means amy andemily will play an
abbreviated set or something....does anybody know?

have a good weekend!

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i've been calling the box office at burruss in blacksburg about the sept
20 date, and they don't know when the tickets will go on sale.  the
event is not closed to just students, and they usually offer them 2
weeks before the show.  you can call in with a credit card, but she
said that they give first priority to those waiting in line, and don't attend
to call-in orders until after the line goes away.  she doesn't know how
much the tickets will be, but she did say that there is no general
admission.  all the seats are theater style, and this venue only holds
2900 people, so all the seats are good.

i plan to go to this show, and would like to know if anyone plans to go
there and stand in line when the box office opens.  i'm interested in
getting really great seats, regardless of the price, but i'm in dc, and it
doesn't sound like i'll be able to unless i'm there in person.  e-mail me
privately if so.  thanks  v-toye@nga.gov

vicki

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>nobody i know (with a scant
>few exceptions) knows ig even exist beyond 'closer...'.  naturally i feel

what would happen if the indigo girls performed *nine inch nails'* "closer"
as an encore?  amy'd have to sing it.

(sorry tod! ;)

heather

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>date:  fri, 8 aug 1997 07:54:21 -0700
>from:  pooh <pooh40@mc.net>
>subject:      sucky football team??????
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>now you have gone tooooo far young lady!!!!!!!!!!!!!ms. sari..for your
>information..we have a sucky baseball team..ain't ya never heard of the
>cubs????????????
>the bears are only moderatly piss poor.....

lol! btw, ('k, i'm going to use actual words now), can something be
moderatly piss poor?

gesi

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woo hoo!
there is a god, and she is smiling at me tonight, baby. thrid row for
the sun dome in tampa, thanks to a great guy(kelvin) at ticketbastard
who chatted with me for the last few minutes so i could be on line with
him when the aforementioned show went on sale promptly at five pm just
moments ago. my dear friend lisa tatonetti is flying into fort
lauderdale for the tampa show on the 26th (road trip!), then we're
heading back thisaway for the west palm beach show on the 27th - tickets
on sale god knows when?
have a freakin' excellent weekend folks - i'm so stoked i can barely
stand it.

amy (who hasen't seen 'em since newport last year)

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>we were in a local coffee shop last night when my husband noticed a
canvas
>on the wall:  "i've become the beggar now"  "you've become the saint
>somehow"  painted behind a woman sitting, imploringly reaching out to
the
>viewer.
>this is the first time i've notice ig effect on visual artworks- has
anyone
>seen other examples of this?

        well, as an art minor myself, i know personally that ig live
inside every work i create.  music's always a big influence when one's
working, and as ig are the main staple of my musical collection and tend
to work themselves into the stereo whenever i paint i find that their
general tone works its way into my pieces.   ig really are one of the
best groups to paint/draw/whatever to. they have something in their music
that feeds the creative impulse it seems to me, and they can even make me
look at a subject a little bit differently - usually bring out a little
more of a sparkle than i ever had known there was before. hmm.
                                -diane.

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>
> ok, so here is the question of the week......
>
> where are y'all finding these tour dates?????????  :)
>
> i wanna see too!!!!!!!!

one word: channeling. ;-)
kirsten

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i had a nice surprise in my mailbox when i got home - the current issue
of "curve" magazine and it's a music issue. it has the igs in it
(review of sots) and an article on sara lee.

(reprinted without permission)

sara lee: a funk phenomenon - shirley liu

what do the indigo girls and ani difranco have in common? renowned
bassist sara lee, of course. she's jammin' in a traditionally man's land
and she's at the top of the heap. what's it like to collaborate with some
of the biggest lesbian music icons? sara lee gives us the scopp and hints
about a release of her own.

        nobody does it like sara lee - the bassist, that is. with a
resume that includes the indigo girls, ani difranco, b-52's, gang of
four, thompson twins and league of gentlemen, the forty-one-year-old brit
has rightfully earned the title 'bass slut,' playfully given to her by
ani difranco. the only other female bassist who comes close in comparison
(having played with david bowie, tears for fears, boy george, sophie b.
hawkins and donny osmond) is gail ann dorsey, who happens to be sara's
ex-girlfriend of four years.

overcoming sexism in music
        lee has plucked her grooves in a predominately male-centered
music biz and bass world for the past twenty years. long before the
current women in rock era, lee had established her professional career in
the testosterone-ridden rock 'n' roll world. sara recounts, "there
weren't many woman bassists during my time...i dealt with my fair share
of studio engineers and producers who looked at me and thought 'you're
the bass player?'...there was one record with gang of four where they
actually replaced my part while i was out of the studio for a couple of
hours." even nowadays, lee experiences sexism in the boys' club. "i did a
studio session last year in l.a. surrounded by these heavyweight session
guys and the guitar player said, 'you're the....? oh, your're the bass
player. okay.' but then the next day he said, 'wow, you really play well
with the drummer.' and i was like, 'that's what i do, you know.'" lee's
immense talent has dissolved sexist barriers in the music industry and
made her a much sought-after bassist. lee's reputation precedes her - she
finds that she often works with artists who already know her work and
like her style of playing. based on word-of-mouth endorsements, lee has
been pursued by the likes of robyn hitchcock band, the b-52's, and ani
difranco, among other big names in the music.

indigo girls
        with the indigo girls, however, serendipity played a big role in
initiating their working relationship. in 1988, when lee was in the
studio with her band the raging hormones, scott litt, the indigo girls'
future producer, was in the same studio next door with r.e.m. he heard
sara playing and then two years later, when the indigo girls needed a
bassist for 'nomads, indians, saints,' he thought of lee. sara remembers
that "it was very lucky because raging hormones was a very funky band. we
happened to be recording a ballad that day. he heard my melodic side with
my bass and felt it would be very appropriate for the indigo girls. if
i'd been playing a funky song, i probably wouldn't have gotten the job.
it was one of those fortuitous moments."
        after the initial collaboration, lee's own spunk helped establish
a long-running relationship. lee didn't expect to see the indigo girls
after she recorded 'nomads' with them, because "very often as a session
player you record a record and you never see the artist again." but about
six months later, she saw that the indigo girls were playing in new york,
where she lives, so she decided to check out their live performance. "so i
went to see them, and of course i was blown away. i was sitting in the
audience and i was just hearing my bass lines that i'd done on the record.
and i thought, 'this is a tragedy that i'm not playing these lines with
them.' so i went backstage to see them after the show and told them i
really enjoyed the show, but the only thing was that i wished i was
playing with them. they said: 'do you want to play tomorrow night?' and i
said sure.  so i did the second show in ny with them and i got on the bus
and i've been on the bus ever since."
        lee has an "extremely compatible" relationship with the indigo
girls, largely due to the creative freedom they bestow upon her. "they
love what i do and i love what they do. when i started working with them
in 1990, they just said 'make up your own bass line.'" the indigo girls
foster this spontaneous spirit on stage as well, something lee really
appreciates. "they were the first band that tooks risks on the stage.
they invite friends up when they're in a town; they're far more
adventurous than anybody else i've played with in terms of getting on
stage and having a good time, taking musical risks and not being worried
if we make a mistake. they were definitely a band that i could improvise
with to a certain degree," lee remarks admiringly.
        after seven years of working with the indigo girls, lee has
developed a strong friendship with them. such a good friendship, in fact,
that amy ray visited her several times while she was on tour with ani
difranco in 1996 (even making cameo stage appearances with ani). "we
missed each other. amy also was a big fan of ani's music...and i think
she was missing playing music and playing with a band and being out
there. i think there was a number of things that converged and she
thought, 'i'll go out on the road for a while.'"

ani difranco
        during the indigo girls' hiatus in 1996, lee joined ani difranco's
traveling roadshow. apparently, difranco feels lucky to have had lee
around "touring with somebody is pretty much like having your head
duct-taped together and being put in a cardboard box for months. it's
very intense, and i'll tell ya, there's pretty much no one i'd rather be
in that box with than sara. she's a babe."
        lee feels similarly about her experience with difranco. "i had an
absolute blast playing with her," she exclaims. part of the fun,
according to lee, was feeling like a primary member of the band. "it was
very different than the indigo girls. the indigo girls are very much amy
and emily and then we're the backup band. to play with ani felt much more
like a band, especially when we started to jam around in sound checks and
start coming up with ideas that she then wrote songs from. i'd be playing
a groove with the drummer. she'd like it and she'd jump in and play the
guitar and then we'd start expanding it. and i was actually able to sing
- i love to sing."
        musically, it was a perfect fit between lee and difranco. "it was
a very funky, groovy musical situation, which is very appealing to me.
ani's definitely inclined to be funky. she just didn't have a bass player
playing with her and backing it up and strengthening the groove." so
enter sara lee for some strong groove support and out comes a "really
rocking outfit." though it was just a three-piece band, "it was a very
powerful unit. it was very exciting to be playing that music and knocking
them dead. it's a very rare and exciting thing for a session musician to
have that experience. i loved it." lee merged efforts with ani on her
newest studio album, set for release in fall. both lee and difranco hope
to work together in the future.

working with lesbian icons
        lee's long and fruitful career in music has been interwoven with
a large lesbian following of the artists with whom she has worked. she is
very grateful for what this support has given her, which is "a mutually
supportive community of women - friends, peers and fans - from which you
can gain strength." the lesbian/women's community that surrounds lee has
been a source or positivity for her. "it's been very empowering to work
with strong, motivated women. it's a constant source of inspiration."
        after twenty years in music, what else is left for lee to do?
her own work, naturally - the next step for this talented musician is to
produce her own album. and judging from the wealth and diversity of lee's
musical experiences, it's likely to be fun, fresh and definitely funky.
in the meantime, we can count on sara lee to spice up the music world and
keep the low end grooving strong.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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              "nancy humphries" at aug 8, 97 7:48 pm

"the raging hormones" *has* to be the best band name ever.

let's hear it for raging hormones!

<ahem> to give this post some actual content, i'll add that my comments about
the legality of booting weren't meant to disparage traders--after all, i am
one myself (er, or will be after i finish all these pending trades that i
still don't have a tape recorder to fulfill) and i don't think that legality
equals morality.
kirsten

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first of all i (like everyone else on this list) ;-) have2
tickets to sell for the scranton lilith fair.  august 13, $30ish lawn
seats.  i want to go, but my friend canceled on me today becasue of
the main problem transportation.


        i know a lot of people that i spoke to on this lsit and on others
were planning on taking public transportation to the show.  i'm sure you
know that there is only a bus no train etc..  the bus stops 10 miles
(aprox.) from the venue.
        the first problem: the 2 taxi places in town do not like going
out on the one road that goes up there when there are events because of
traffic.
        the second problem:  the last bus out of scranton leaves around
9pm (correct me if i'm wrong and i hope i am) so what are you people
going to do after the show?  they reccomentd being there 1 hour before th
ebus leaves.

        so, if anyone has any solutions to these problems, and/or room
for 1-2 people in there car from the nyc area i would appreciate it if
you can help me out.  thanks,

        slavi

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date:         fri, 8 aug 1997 20:26:52 -0400
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from:         j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject:      amy teplow, alison garber & mark anthony donajkowski nigc

i apologize for wasting the bandwidth, everybody, but some jerk sent me a
virus and my whole address book is gone.  the only addresses i still have are
the ones i know by heart!  grrrrrr......

amy:  please email me.  i got your tape today, but you didn't say which boot
you want.  i have *lots* of 90 minute tapes....

alison:  can you email me too, please?  one of the boots you asked for is
really really crappy quality & i'd rather not pass on the misery, if you know
what i mean....

mark anthony:  your tapes will be in the mail tomorrow my friend, i swear it!

again, sorry for wasting bandwidth, everyone.....

peace, harmony & indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
   -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
     -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
emily:  we call ourselves amy ray.  we'll be here all night.
amy:  that's right.  amy ray.  get used to it.
emily: i'm amy, she's ray.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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fyi - for those who don't yet know:

tour dates:  <www.pollstar.com/>

on sale dates:  <www.ticketmaster.com/directory/di_home.html>
        then: click a state
        in the list to your left: click weekly onsale (updated every fri am)
        your area of the country (usa) is shown by on sale dates in a long list
        instead of weekly on sale you can choose concerts, search by date, or
whatever

i hope this info helps a lot of folks who want to know: where & when.

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re: my post a few min ago - should have mentioned:

at:  <www.ticketmaster.com/directory/di_home.html>

        "joe fan's cool connections"  -  may sound dumb, but has lots & lots of
great links.
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subject:      buying tickets for ig in ny

it's been a long time since i've done this sort of thing, and i need some
advice.  i want to go to the buffalo and syracuse concerts next month, but
a) i don't live in either city, and  b) i, of course, want front row or as
close as i can get.

so my questions to the more experienced are...

do i have to camp out at the specific venues to get the best seats?

can i camp out at my local ticketmaster outlet? (which happens to be in
rochester, ny)

who actually has control of the first five rows at a venue (i.e. do i have to
go direct to the venue for the *prime* seating or do all ticket outlets work
from the same computer?)

and for those of you who live in these cities, if i camp out at the venue,
how soon should i get there to be toward the front of the line.  is it worth
it, or do the radio stations grab up all the good seating before it goes on
sale to the gen. public?

help! (please  : ))  and quickly!  if i'm camping out i have to leave sunday
night.

cheers from a long-time fan of the girls who was forced to see them at finger
lakes from the nosebleed section--and forgot to bring binoc's--how stupid can
you get?
kathleen    kef1330@aol.com

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subject:      re: tour dates from pollstar - poughkeepsie, ny

on fri, 8 aug 1997 15:25:56 -0400 nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
writes:
>check out this www site (http://www.pollstar.com) - it has the ig tour
>dates from 8/6 though 10/24. per a friend of mine, pollstar generally
>posts the info once they get it from the booking agency.
>
>here's what they have:
>

>09/15/97   poughkeepsie, ny (marist college)

>(they do caution some of the dates listed may not yet be on sale or
>could
>change without notice.)


anyone know anything about this show at marist?  is it a hte show?  are
tix on sale yet?  how much?  etc.  poughkeepsie is only a little over an
hour away from me.  that's a lot closer than syracuse or buffalo (which
aren't listed here, i notice).

on a side note, does anyone think there's a snowball's chance in hell
that ani might make a surprise guest appearance at the buffalo show?

to digress just a bit further...speaking of ani and ig, i'm looking for
dates of ani shows that amy showed up and played at.  specifically
looking for boots of said shows.

thanks!

tuesday's child

charter member -- yknib ssim fan club

"i'm starting to get over the urge to kill somebody..."  --  ani


p.s.  had am ig dream last night.  my heart is still palpitating.

"the things i dreamt about you last night make me blush"  -- e.s.

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hi!

   i've seen a couple of postings of people with extra lawn tickets for lf
in scranton.  does anyone have extra reserved seat tickets?  ideally i'd
like to get 2 together, but if i can get 2 extra singles, maybe we can
work out a seat swap.

thanx!

chris imershein
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hey sea full o'faces,

just a completely nigc public service message for y'all:

go buy the rent soundtrack!!!! (or if yer lucky enough to live in, or near,
nyc, go see the show!) seriously, it's a double cd, and quite an investment,
i know, but do yourself a favor...buy it!!!!

:) abigail

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his successful reprogramming of the m.i.t. virtual reality equipment to
self-destruct, as it broadcast the words:

  actual reality-act up-fight aids!" ~rent

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no one seems to know. although, in our family, i was the only one who would
drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 8 aug 1997 - special issue


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that's all fine and good in theory, but your plan is missing a few
implementation details. please be more specific next time.
kirsten

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subject:      deer creek show

hey all.
  just walked in the door from the deer creek show and i had a blast.  the
crowd seemed a little slow and it definitely seemed to affect a&e.  however,
the show went on and although my friend and i  (holding a can we sing with
you sign) didn't get to go on stage, a&e acknowledged (we see you in the back
there) us.  pretty cool, i thought.  but all of you going to chicago are
going to have a blast so let me know about the set there.  here's tonight's:
1.shed your skin
2.galileo
3.shame on you into van morrison's brown eyed girl
    then back into shame on you
4.get out the map
5.chickenman
6.virginia woolf (violin intro plus guitar intro)
7.virginity with michelle
8.the water is wide with sarah and emmylou
9.closer to fine with everyone (and not a one messed up!)


sarah was incredible and jewel yodelled for about 5 minutes tonight.  it was
awesome.  sarah actually asked a guy in the front section to put out his
cigar because it was rude and she was sick of smelling it (definite highlight
of the show).  but have a great time y'all and i'm going to dream sweet
indigo dreams
if anyone booted it please please please let me know!!!
carrie

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subject:      sara lee article

there's an article on sara lee in the new curve magazine. just got it in the
mail today. i noticed the previous issue was still on the stands in seattle
tonight, but this one should be out on the racks soon. there's also a review
of shaming of the sun.

susan

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subject:      re: ig@lf-indy

oh my god...
that says it all. yes, really.  it seems that every lesbian i knew from
college was at the lilith fair in indy.  it was like a ball state university
10+ year reunion.  and it was truley a beautiful thing.  but then most of you
really don't care about that.
the whole fair was wonderful, though i'm not too familiar with the other
artists:  jewel, lisa loeb, emmy lou, sara.
the girls put on a wonderful show this evening.  the energy they emit, well
let's just say that it is difficult to put into words.  this is the fourth
time i have seen them, and the first time all electric with band.   i have to
admit that their accoustic is what i truely love,  but  they had soooo much
energy to give (and i took it all) that it really gave me a new appreciation
for their latest stuff.  they were excellent!!!!  they did do a  couple of
accoustic numbers which were great though.  one was a four part harmony with
sara m, and emmy lou.  i think the song was wild horses, though i'm not sure.
  their set was a great mix of old and new, electric and accoustic.  they had
the whole place rocking.  basically all the girls had to do was to walk out
on stage to get a standing ovation.  and most didn't sit down the entire set.


i am going to gripe momentarily...i truely believe that we in indiana are
indigo girls deprived.  the last time they  played here in  this state was a
couple of years ago.   so in a way i walked away dissappointed because they
only played for 50 minutes.  i basically waited two months for this, and it
was over so fast.

i'm done griping now.

it was truely a beautiful evening!!!!

shewbie

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hey everyone,

i've just hit three digits in the ig fan survey - well, not
counting the 60+ results i still have to add in.  here's a
selection of the latest totals... remember, if you want to
fill in the survey you can find it on the web at
http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/igsurvey, or if you don't have
www access just drop me a note and i'll send you the email
version.  the full survey results can also be found at the
above url.

happy happy folks,
sherlyn


indigo girls fan survey, version iv: results
============================================
currently tallied: 100
[my comments in square brackets.]

part 1: igc
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1. "how long have you been an indigo girls fan?"
        less than a year - 4  [since sots]
        1 to 3 years - 17  [since 1200c]
        3 to 5 years - 23  [since so]
        5 to 7 years - 19  [since rop]
        7 to 10 years - 33 [since ig]
        more than 10 years - 4 [since sf/independent days]

"on a scale of a to e, how would you rate yourself:"
7a. "overall?"
        a - 18; b - 32; c - 24; d - 18; e - 8
[heavily skewed towards amy.]

7b. "on the basis of songwriting?"
        a - 11; b - 7; c - 33; d - 31; e - 18
[heavily skewed towards emily.]

7c. "on the basis of performance and/or delivery?"
        a - 31; b - 37; c - 21; d - 8; e - 2
[very heavily skewed towards amy.]

8. favourite albums:
        1. 1200 curfews: 62
        2. rites of passage: 50
        3. swamp ophelia: 42
        4. shaming of the sun: 35
        5. indigo girls, nomads*indians*saints: 30
        7. strange fire: 17
        8. shades of indigo: 1

9. top 10 overall favourite songs:
        1. ghost (41)
        2. closer to fine (28)
        3. watershed (25)
        4. galileo, shed your skin (24)
        6. prince of darkness (21)
        7. shame on you (20)
        8. chickenman, least complicated, mystery,
                strange fire, world falls (19)
[8 emily songs; 5 amy songs.  not too surprising when
you consider the results of question 7b above.  but at
least an amy song made it into the top 5 this time!]

10. top 10 favourite amy songs:
        1. shed your skin (31)
        2. don't give that girl a gun, fugitive,
                kid fears (30)
        5. chickenman (29)
        6. world falls (25)
        7. blood and fire (23)
        8. shame on you (21)
        9. reunion, strange fire (19)

11. top 10 favourite emily songs:
        1. ghost (57)
        2. closer to fine, mystery, watershed (30)
        5. least complicated (28)
        6. love's recovery (27
        7. galileo, language or the kiss (26)
        9. caramia, love will come to you (24)

12. top 10 favourite cover/other songs:
        1. tangled up in blue (52)
        2. romeo and juliet (43)
        3. thin line (28)
        4. wild horses (17)
        5. bury my heart at wounded knee, river (15)
        7. midnight train to georgia (14)
        8. down by the river (13)
        9. blood quantum, mona lisas and mad hatters (11)

13. top 5 least favourite songs:
        1. airplane (28)
        2. 1 2 3 (18)
        3. history of us (12)
        4. burn all the letters, caramia, cut it out (9)

part 2: nigc
============

1. sex:
        male - 14; female - 83

2. age:
        under 19 - 8
        18 to 21 - 25
        22 to 25 - 18
        26 to 30 - 19
        31 to 40 - 25
        41 to 50 - 1
        over 50 - 1

3. sexual orientation:
        gay - 45
        bisexual - 9
        straight - 42

8. top 10 other favourite musical artists/bands:
        1. ani difranco (26)
        2. melissa etheridge (24)
        3. michelle malone (23)
        4. dar williams (22)
        5. shawn colvin (16)
        6. sarah mclachlan (15)
        7. kristen hall (14)
        8. tori amos (12)
        9. tracy chapman, catie curtis, dave mathews band (11)


=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and the road leads us on, and we sing out this song -
'let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all,
let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all...'"
                                 - karen pernick

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date:         sat, 9 aug 1997 09:50:31 +0200
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hi nancy,

thanks for typing the curve article about sarah lee. it was interesting
to read more information about her!

florence.

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in the 8/15 issue of "entertainment weekly" there is a small bit on the
new show "the view" (the igs are listed as guests on 8/14 in my local
newspaper - some abc stations re-run the show in the 1:00 am/2:00 am time
slot, too. check out your city at http://www.tvguide.com for the stations
& times.)

11 am - noon
the view (abc) producer barbara walters describes the new 'politically
incorrect-meets-coffee talk' confab as "a bunch of women sitting around
talking about issues of the day-and i don't mean bosnia, but i do mean
almost everything else." along with 'turning point's' meredith vieira,
court tv's star jones, mtv news progency debbie mastenopoulos, and
comedian joy behar, she'll oversee a "question of the day" segment,
celebrity interviews, and studio-audience interaction. she adds:"we want
it to be fun and entertaining. at the same time, we want to dish"

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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date:         sat, 9 aug 1997 09:05:11 -0400
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i do agree the cigar thing was a big plus at the deer creek show. he sat and
smoked it all thru the whole day.  if only sarah had been on sooner to tell
him to put it out!

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as the "dear friend" in question, i just wanna say...woo hoo! woo hoo!! woo
hoo hoo!!! if you're sitting near us at tampa, you'll obviously recognize
our woo hooing at all the *appropriate* moments. ;) what kinda seat did
other people get?  how bout you, rich benson, ya' going?
happy, happy day
lisa

amy mednick said:

>woo hoo!
>there is a god, and she is smiling at me tonight, baby. third row for
>the sun dome in tampa
>my dear friend lisa tatonetti is flying into fort lauderdale for the tampa
show on the >26th (road trip!), then we're heading back thisaway for the
west palm beach show


"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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hey y'all!

this is from the chicky-pie who saw tori amos twice at the landmark in
syracuse...

first of all, it isn't that big.  there is no bad seat in that place.  if
you are in the balcony, it gets a little warm, but you can see the entire
stage, and it is a fantastic view.

the first time i saw tori, i sat on the phone.  i started dialing at 9:45,
and finally got through all the busy signals at 10:06.  i was on hold
until 10:21 and ended up getting 8 tickets in the h row in orchestra
left.  i could have picked tori's nose because orch. left was missing rows
a-c.  i could see her fingers reflection on the piano.  i also think that
because the landmark is a restored theatre, that you can become a member,
and that tix go on sale to landmark members before hand, bbut don't quote
me on that.  if you want to camp, go for it..i am just saying you can get
great seats if you sit on the phone and that even balcony ones aren't
bad....

i haven't a clue about sheas.

oh yeah, and one more thing.  when you call any ticketbastard outlet in
nys, the phones are unreal, because most of them serve ny city too, and
when there are baseball, basketball, and football games on sale, as well
as broadway, plus other concerts all over the state, like albany,
binghamton, plattsburgh (and i also know that binghamton serves the
scranton area too, so you have to throw a little pa into it), it gets a
little crazy.

but i asked at the 2 pa ticketmaster numbers i know, and i was told that
this was a ticketmaster ny thing only, so if you guys are all calling, you
need to call ny!

see you on hold!!!

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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date:         sat, 9 aug 1997 11:42:29 -0400
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subject:      re: chicago insults(nigc)
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first of all- i am not the one who wrote about the sucky baseball team or the
green relish. that was deb. check quotes before you flame please!!!:-)
secondly, i'll have you know that i am a cubs fan, so don't go insultin' them
around me! and yes, as a born and bred giants fan- the bears do suck!!!
and old style beats schlitz any day!:-)

sari, who really can't wait to get back to chi-town, even though she loves
new york

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date:         sat, 9 aug 1997 11:53:48 -0400
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subject:      re: ani and ig

i'm still looking for a tape of that march show at roseland where they did
purple rain. if anyone has it please contact me!!!

sari

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for saying you said those nasty things about my bears ( who haven;'t
done s**t since ditka left..so i am now an official new orleans saints
fan) deb corrected me andi stand ( well actually i'm sittin with my feet
up next to an ice cold  sharps...) and i apologize for my error ...i
promise to take you to tempts when you get back in town ( cause i ain't
goin to paris no more!!!)..
btw:
this is a flame..."your opinion on the sucky football team is sucky too"

this is a joke.."missy..you have gone way too far"

viva la difference!!

and don't forget the celery salt on those dogs...( the best being the
ones you buy at parkys on 12th ave in oak park where you get an entire
bag of greasy fries on the side for no extra charge if you wink at the
girlie behind the counter!!)
pooh

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   if we ever do a list t-shirt again i think it should have list-isms on
it - one could be "sorry for wasting bandwith...".  <joke!>

> i apologize for wasting the bandwidth, everybody, but some jerk sent me a
> virus and my whole address book is gone.  the only addresses i still have are
> the ones i know by heart!  grrrrrr......

emily
ekgraves@mtholyoke.edu
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can change the world; indeed it is the only thing that ever has.
margaret mead

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hey, i was waiting for this i figured rent would eventually appear on all
the mailing lists that i'm on. :-) i live in nyc and was therefore
"privliged" enough to see the show 19 times from the first 2 rows (w00
rent line - now defunct).  anyway the show rocks, even though there are
lots of now cast members :-( it's still supposed to be pretty decent. the
original cast recording :-) is pretty good ,thoguh it doesn't capture the
enrgy of the show like the boots do ;-)

        slavi

>hey sea full o'faces,
>
>just a completely nigc public service message for y'all:
>
>go buy the rent soundtrack!!!! (or if yer lucky enough to live in, or
>near,
>nyc, go see the show!) seriously, it's a double cd, and quite an
>investment,
>i know, but do yourself a favor...buy it!!!!
>
>:) abigail
>
>"and collins will recount his exploits as an anarchist-including the
>tale of
>his successful reprogramming of the m.i.t. virtual reality equipment to
>self-destruct, as it broadcast the words:
>
>  actual reality-act up-fight aids!" ~rent
>
>"there's been a lot of speculation about what causes homosexuality. so
>far,
>no one seems to know. although, in our family, i was the only one who
>would
>drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
>                    ~bob smith
>

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subject:      re: sigc - sarah mclachlan lyrics

in building a mystery, does sarah say "you're so beautiful, a beautiful
fucked up man"   ???   it's about 2:19 into the song.

there've been no attempts to censor it on local radio and i'm starting to
wonder if i have a mr. limes going. if that's really what she's saying, i bet
the stations haven't noticed it because it's basically such a mellow song.
it's no different than amy's lyrics on shame on you, but that's more of a
rock song.

there are great videos on my enhanced cd version of surfacing. check 'em out.

resa

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ahhhh!  i am soo excited- this is going to be my first time meeting the
girls and i am extatic...yeah, yeah, yeah, so you have all met them
before sorry!!  i am giving them both letters and a book called the path
of unfoldment.  do ya think they'll give it the time of day?  i hope so-
i put my whole heart into the letter!  well, when lilith is over i will
post the set-list and give you my opinion about the concert.  it's going
to be great!!
..."youd'e help me more by not giving in- i think i know whats wrong!"
a.ray
                alison g.

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yes, i have the lyrics and that is indeed what she says.

michelle
in building a mystery, does sarah say "you're so beautiful, a beautiful
fucked up man"   ???   it's about 2:19 into the song.

there've been no attempts to censor it on local radio and i'm starting to
wonder if i have a mr. limes going. if that's really what she's saying, i
bet
the stations haven't noticed it because it's basically such a mellow song.
  it's no different than amy's lyrics on shame on you, but that's more of a
rock song.

there are great videos on my enhanced cd version of surfacing. check 'em
out.
  >>

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hey everyone!  found this in a television list....... the post is for
this monday august 11, so that means they will be on a week after that!
this is the new barbara walter show.... check your local listings for
details.

peace!

joe


tom selleck will be the guest on the first editions of barbara
walter's new talk show, "the view."  also appearing next week will be
michael j. fox, elle macpherson and indigo girls.  (ny post)

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hey everyone!  found this in a television list....... the post is
for this monday august 11, so that means they will be on a week after that! 
this is the new barbara walter show.... check your local listings for details.

<p>peace!

<p>joe
<br> 

<p>tom selleck will be the guest on the first editions of barbara
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subject:      ig article in goldmine magazine - question

hey kind friends and beautiful listees!

        i have tried asking a couple of people this so i have tried, but
the ig list is still the way to go! <smile>...i would like to find out
which issue of the goldmine magazine (a collector's magazine) contains
the article of the indigo girls in it...i know they weren't on the cover
(if you know of an issue that does have them on the cover, please let me
know that too!), which is what is making the issue so hard to find...i
have called goldmine themselves and they too are having problems finding
it (the woman there was looking  for cover shots i believe, when i told
her it was an article, she was like whoa)...so whoever posted that there
was an article on ig in goldmine, *please* email me privately at
kshucks@juno.com, i'd greatly appreciate it!!!....thank you sincerely,
@=d take care, jen

ps amy, i'll forward any replies i get to you too! <smile>...

~~~activism~~~equality~~~~peace~~~~
jenny korn
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i went to borders wednesday to look for goldmine. i checked the copy on
the rack and the only mention of ig was in some of the ads looking for
albums to buy and sell. i'd also like to know what issue is supposed to
have an article about ig.
-sam

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hey everyone!

ok, as far as i can plan (and believe me, if anyone has a better idea, i
am all for it!!!!) this is what i say we do for the lilith tailgate party!

there is really no outstanding feature at starlake.  it is just a massive
amphitheatre with tons and tons of parking around the outside..no picnic
groves, pavillions, etc.  therefore, as you enter starlake off route 18,
you can file into 3 or 4 lanes.  i am going to be in the lane farthest
right, and go where it takes me.  i plan on being there by the time the
gates open, so i have plenty of time to get there, chow some food, play
some ig and get pumped.

basically, the list party is at my bronco!!!!!!!!  it is an '87 bronco ii,
with ig, melissa and pro-indian rights stickers on the back window.  i am
going to tie balloons to my antenna so all can see.  purple, blue and
white.  you will hear some version of ig, sarah, melissa or tracy chapman
100 miles away.  i will be with my best friend, ken, and i will also write
ig list meet all over my windows.

so, get in the farthest right lane, and come join us.  we will probably
hang til 4:30/5:00 since pavillion seats are reserved, but others of you
may want to get there for your lawn seats...

if this sounds cool, let me know if you will be there.  mail me privately!

peace, love and ig-

karrie

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date:         sat, 9 aug 1997 21:31:06 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      nifty used cd finds...

tamara mizell (who is up here visiting me) and i were cd hunting and found
some interesting stuff at compact discovery, a used cd store in nashville.
tamara spotted and quickly purchased a copy of michelle malone and drag the
river's "relentless" cd.  i was starting to get upset, 'cause i never find
stuff like that...but then i found a 1200 curfews promo cd set, with the
binding made of cardboard and held together with screws (like a photo album),
and with a wood cover, front and back.  it's really cool, 'cause the photos
are in color and the liner notes are different, plus there's a pick in the
back of the cd.  there's not an insert - it's made like a book.  anyway, i have
never seen this before, so i quickly snapped it up.  it has one of those
ticket things sealing it (though mine has been opened), with a postmark
type stamp on the front and the promo is numbered 507.  does anyone
know anything about this cd?

peace,

joan :-d

p.s. - i've been seeing all kinds of people walking around with lilith
fair shirts this week...

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>   if we ever do a list t-shirt again i think it should have list-isms on
>it - one could be "sorry for wasting bandwith...".  <joke!>
lol!
or what about:
"me too" :-)
definatly the t-shirt should be igc on the front + nigc on the back:-)
oh hell let's just make up a package, including an asbestos vest:-) for
those... um... extra warm moments before the keyboard...
peace all... kim, goddess o' asbestos
********************************************************
the flesh is strong the spirit stronger, so shed your
skin baby, let it through... comeonovernow!!!!... amy ray
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>>   if we ever do a list t-shirt again i think it should have list-isms on
>>it - one could be "sorry for wasting bandwith...".  <joke!>
>lol!
>or what about:
>"me too" :-)
>definatly the t-shirt should be igc on the front + nigc on the back:-)
>oh hell let's just make up a package, including an asbestos vest:-) for
>those... um... extra warm moments before the keyboard...
>peace all... kim, goddess o' asbestos

umm, and what would a list shirt be without our venerable motto: "woohoo!"
;) lisa


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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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hey everyone,

you're all invited to the wedding of the year!

i asked our very own greg flamer to marry me and he said yes.
oh, day of joy!

the ceremony will be held in folkworld and will be conducted
by amy and emily.  we want everyone to come!

after we get married we're moving to folkworld full-time,
where greg will spend his time chasing cute guys and i'll
spend my time following susan werner and dar williams around
(in my blue bmw).  we'll be changing our surname to
saliers-ray, which, after all, sounds *much* better than
either koo-flamer or flamer-koo.

no rsvp necessary, just show up!

:)
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and the road leads us on, and we sing out this song -
'let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all,
let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all...'"
                                 - karen pernick

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subject:      valdosta, ga show info needed asap

hey all!!!!  help!!!!  i'm an ig-concert virgin & i might get to go to the
valdosta show!!!!

does anyone have any info at all about this show???  date, ticket sale date,
etc????  helllllllllllllllp!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
   -   novitiate of suzanneglassism
     - president, grlchasr26 fan club
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
can you show me now that i will not be killed in vain,
show me just a little of your omnipresent brain!
show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die,
you're far too keen on where and when and not so hot on why!
-amy as jesus, "the garden of gethsemane"
from jesus christ super-star: a resurrection
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are any listees (besides me) going to the last lilith fair (sun aug 24)
in vancouver? i'm flying up from atlanta late fri night, leaving mon
noon. anybody want to get together-- drink, eat, drink, be merry, do
some goddess worshipping?  i am, of course, referring to a&e... of
course.
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            dolittle all day..."  a.r.

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ok--it is very very late and i am posting because i had such an ig day
today and had to share right away.  i decided after much debate to risk
missing part of lilith to go and have ig sign one item of mine.  the
beautious margaret (don't worry sherlyn honey--my relationship with
margaret is strictly platonic) accompanied me to borders where the light
green haired abigail allowed us to crash with her on line.  she had
traveled all the way from milwaukee just for this event and was there all
day.  she is a goddess for letting us in with her.
        amy and i chatted today.  i can't believe i am saying that.  i
brought my huge metal indigo girls rd sign to get autographed.  so while
they are signing i'm like--hey just wanted to say thanks to you guys for
playing strange fire for me back in davenport--it's my favorite song.  amy
looks me right in the eye and says--  oh i remember that.  we hadn't played
that song for awhile before that.  so it's your favorite song?  i
reply--yup holds a lot of meaning to me.  amy says well we'll put it in the
setlist for tonight and dedicate it to you.  so she takes down my name and
gives me a backstage pass and is like why don't you hang with us after the
show.  i'd personally love to hear your interpretation of that song because
i wrote it so long ago.   in fact we're looking to fire russell
carter--maybe you'd be interested in the job?  flamer flamer--wake up!!!!
well i can dream can't i?   ;-)   she actually said--oh yeah we don't get
to play that one too much anymore (or something like that).  i'm like well
maybe you should start.  she smiles.  i move on.  interpretation?  they
have no recollection whatsoever of the day they played my beloved request
at a concert.  i figured that--oh well :).  it was great to have a simple
chat with them.  i hope you all get that opportunity at some point.
        so margaret and i head down to downtown tinley park il otherwise
known as grass.  a huge thumbs down to all listees who said they were
interested in meeting up and then blew me off.  last time i set up a
listmeet.  but thanks to cheryl and alison for showing up to say hi.  to
the rest of you poops--i looked mighty dumb holding up my nigc sign for 20
minutes.  i am joking but do wish more people showed up.
        onto the concert.  i highly recommend getting 10th row seats to a
35,000 seat venue.  it is an incredible experience *show off mode off*.

concert highlights:
1)jewel yodels.  who knew?
2)sarah mclachlan is amazing.  she exudes coolness and sounded great.  she
is also a babe and her husband (drummer) has purple hair and here shiny
pants were lovely.
3)amy was wearing a white low cut t-shirt which allowed a mini view of the
new tattoo.  it is nestled between her boobs--ouch! there were many
drooling people.  down margaret down!
4)amy did an incomprehensible addition towards the end of scooter boys and
emily was looking at her like she was nuts.
5)amy's guitar strap broke during a song and it was replaced as she
continued playing chords.

setlist (order may not be correct)
galileo
shame on you
least complicated
shed your skin
ghost
tried to be true
get out the map
scooter boys
the water is wide (amazing harmony as emmylou harris and sarah joined in)

encore
ctf with sarah, jewel and lisa loeb each singing a verse.  it was very very
cool to hear other artsists sing ctf.  finally made ctf fun at the end

the set was so short.  i think i enjoyed sarah's set more but don't tell
amy and emily i said that

concert lowlights:
1)stupid frat boys giggling as they counted lesbian couples (i think they
came up with 20 in our section alone).
2)couples who think an all female performance is an instant excuse to grope
each other in public.  i was nautious myself.  get a room!
3)drunk fans who are too loud and were smoking stanky cigars for god sakes.
4)port o potties--nuff said
5)no strange fire

well that was lilith.  it's a great show. i encourage all to get to one
even if the girls aren't in it.  it's a cool atmosphere.  bed time

greg

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i'm the one who posted about an interview in goldmine with a&e - i went
back and re-read the email i received, it's the september issue. my
profound apologies for that _minor_ omission in my original post.

mea culpa,

n.


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subject:      igc: lilith fair "web cast"

last night, jamtv broadcast the tinley park lilith fair on the internet,
starting at 5:30 cst, including the indigo girls whole performance.

i didn't get home until 10:00 and was very *very* happy to realize that this
was the night that indigo girls didn't start until 11:00 (cst).

there were audio and video feeds, although, i don't call a fuzzy picture
every 30 seconds or so a "video".    and there were a lot of interruptions in
the sound, due to "net congestion".  but i was able to tape the majority of
the audio portion of the show.   unfortunately, i got kicked offline during
"the water is wide", and wasn't able to get back on until the middle of
"closer to fine" (yes, there was a lot of cussing aol out while trying to
reconnect =p)

i am very very hesitant to offer this to anyone, because of the interruptions
and sound quality.  it was taped by a tape recorder placed in front of my
computer speakers, and there are multiple (trust me) interruptions due to the
congestion.   i had no idea how to tape it other than that.  but i look at it
like this - it's better than nothing =)  and if anyone has a "real" boot of
the show, i'd love to hear from you!

but i wanted everyone to know that possibly jamtv will put it in their
archive files.  their web address is:
http://www.jamtv.com/special/lilith.asp.    maybe if enough people write to
them, they'll do it.

but i do remember the part with amy and scooter boys that someone mentioned -
it was a very "amy" moment!!   i'm happy to say that came through with no
major interruptions!

=)
lisa

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first of all...apologies, apologies, and more apologies to flamer for
standing him up :\  i had to help out my friends in lawn, they had a
"tussel" with security over the lack of walkways (during the emmlylou set)
and was this close || to getting kicked outta the concert...(they weren't
exactly having a great time while people rudely climbed over them to get to
their patch o' grass)  well...someone finally got hurt on lawn (i hope she's
okay) and the security idiots had to clear out paths for walkways...

amyray, i can't remember the setlist too well (me and pinky were in shock
most of the time -- btw, thanks again deb:))...they played a lotta oldies
(i'm still on cloud 9 after hearing ghost) and last nites version of scooter
boys was quite awesome. amy was jammin and singing so hard that her face was
beet freakin' red for the entire song...it looked like her head was gonna
explode. "the water is wide" took my breath away...the acapella/harmony
verse at the end was amazing....

oh yeah...since when did amy pick up the banjo???????  (i ferget which song
she did that for...ctf??)

other good stuff:
michele malone rawwwwked.  ohmahgawd -- highlight, sarah mclachlan sneaked
out to the c-stage and sat though michele's set (sarah sat 10 feet away from
me <sigh>)  during michele's last song, sarah joined her on stage...the song
was awesome but for the life of me i cannot remeber the name....(josh seagul
was there with his trusty violin too)

the second stage acts (yungchen lhamo, patti griffin, and....somebody else)
i dont know who i was listening to while i was at the security office filing
a complaint, but that chica was rawkin...  i seriously wish that i spent
more time at the little stages (to all those who have yet to see lilith, be
sure to check out the second and borders stages -- these not-so-well known
artists has got some talent baby :))

hmmmm, the bad stuff at the show:
1.) lawn.  i felt really bad for my buddies up there.  it was the first time
(in like 20 shows) that i had ever seen the lawn at the world at
full-capacity.  every patch o' grass was claimed last nite (actually thats a
good thing, but when people got crabby and bitchy...yikes)
2.)  the baffroom situation for the girlies was not cool.  but i think i
expected that.  :\
3.)  no sun at all during the day and the big threat of t-storms
4.)  the ig set was waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too short.  50 minutes, ten songs
left me standing there going "that's it??  arghhh!  please suh, may i have
some more???"  i dont know why but i was expecting somewhat of a longer set
from them considering they played last...(and the fact that this has been
the only chicago show in years)

well...all in all, lilith was pretty damn cool.  thats it for now, me and
pinky are gonna get some more sleep  :)
later y'all
---sue

p.s.  again, thanks deb for making my year :)

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i forgot one thing....

amy's geetar strap kept popping off during sys, and ended up playin on her
knees.  the funneeeee part was, after the song, amy said, "i was having some
strap problems there" -- this got a few woo-hoo!'s from the crowd, and put a
smirk on amy's face as she waved off the woohoo's <heehee>
---sue

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i highly doubt that the radio stations didn't notice that the word fuck
is in the song :-) i've heard versions of the song on the radio where
they sort of fade it a little bit, you can still here it, but you kindof
don't really hear it unless you're listening for it.

        slavi

ps that's what they did with that nine inch nails song closer a few years
back


>subject:
>        re: sigc - sarah mclachlan lyrics
>  date:
>        sat, 9 aug 1997 14:04:30 -0400
>  from:
>        resa mason <rmason1106@aol.com>
>
>
>
>in building a mystery, does sarah say "you're so beautiful, a beautiful
>fucked up man"   ???   it's about 2:19 into the song.
>
>there've been no attempts to censor it on local radio and i'm starting
>to
>wonder if i have a mr. limes going. if that's really what she's saying,
>i bet
>the stations haven't noticed it because it's basically such a mellow
>song.
> it's no different than amy's lyrics on shame on you, but that's more of
>a
>rock song.
>
>there are great videos on my enhanced cd version of surfacing. check 'em
>out.
>
>resa

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i'm pretty sure that the show is airing on august 14th.  does anyone know
what time and channel it's on in nyc?  thanks,

        slavi


>hey everyone!  found this in a television list....... the post is for
>this monday august 11, so that means they will be on a week after that!
>this is the new barbara walter show.... check your local listings for
>details.
>peace!
>
>joe
>
>
>tom selleck will be the guest on the first editions of barbara
>walter's new talk show, "the view."  also appearing next week will be
>michael j. fox, elle macpherson and indigo girls.  (ny post)>
>
>
>

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i'm sorry for writing to the lsit about this again, but i am really
really desperate for a ride to scranton from the nyc area for wednesday's
show.  public transportation in not an option though i was hoping it was.
please please please i don't want to miss this show.  thanks a lot,

        slavi

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subject:      looking for lf boots

hi all,

i just reurnd from tw awsom liith fair concerts
(cncy oh, and indy, in).  i really loved how ig teamed
up with other artists for a few numbers (water is wide, ctf).
in indianapolis, amy broke out into "brown eyed girl" in
the middle of soy.

i'm wondering if there are any boot recordings out there of
their lf performances --- specifically, i'm looking for:
    the water is wide (w/ emmylou harris & sarah mclachlan)
    ctf (w/ all mainstage performers)
    soy w/ brown eyed girl (is this a common thing for amy to do?)
if there were any recordings of the indy or cincy concerts, that
would be ideal.  i'd like to know what's out there regardless.

i've been off the list for many months (and i'm still off for a bit)
so pardon if i repeat anything.  thanks!

peace & indigo,
kirby

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> i'm the one who posted about an interview in goldmine with a&e - i went
> back and re-read the email i received, it's the september issue. my
> profound apologies for that _minor_ omission in my original post.

since goldmine comes out every 2 weeks, can you also give the date
on the page, and who is on the cover?  thanks !


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i have an extra copy of this tape if anyone wants it...

rachel

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at 04:01 am 8/10/97 -0400, mel wrote:
>are any listees (besides me) going to the last lilith fair (sun aug 24)
>in vancouver?

<kim pouts in a corner> arrghhhh... the girls will be so close to powell
river now ( *finally* )and who is going to see them??? lots of my favorite
pnw listee people, but *not* me... sigh!!... i was gonna go, but have a
business seminar to attend in edmonton that weekend + will be driving there
+ back. the only consolation is that i get to spend eleven days, five of
them camping through the canadian rockies, with my girlfriend. she be's
newly converted so we'll be playing those ig cds all the way:-) but dang...
out there in the woods... aint no where, no how, to plug my shiney new
toaster oven ( yup... it arrived in the mail just last week. i is so proud ).
peace all... kim ( sorta goddess )

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hi everyone!  i just got home from the unbelievable concert and
autograph signing!  it was great. of course the ig were everybodies
favorite.  when i met amy and emily they looked great...especially amy.
fashion report: amy wore a green button down short sleeve shirt that
totally matched her gorgeous eyes, with cream colored paints.  emily
wore the usuall overalls with a green and white striped shirt under
it...and she also wore green john lenon glasses ha! ha!  i asked to see
amy's new chest tattoo but she told me she would but didn't have time-
oh well.  they were so nice and for the few seconds that i got to talk
to them and shake their hand was worth missing 25% of begining lilith
concert!  and now what you have all been waiting for - the setlist!!!
                galileo
                shame on you
                least complicated
                shed your skin
                ghost
                tried to be true
                get out the map
                scooter boys- with amy's soc!!!!
                water is wide (w/ emmy and sarah...unbelievable!)
                closer to fine (w/ everyone...jewel didn't screw up!!)

...security was tight and didn't let anyone in with camara or tape
recorder-if any one snuck it in, please e-mail me privately!
        thanks- alison g.

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_why i hated lilith fair_ by garian vigil
note:  please do not reply to me at this address; i'm on vacation.  please
all flames to:  vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu.

first of all, this review is in no way a reflection of my gratitude to the
nice, generous person who sold me the lf tickets in his time of crisis.  he
was very kind to sell me the tickets at cost and go out of his way to send
them 2-day priority mail.  thank you scott.

that said, lilith fair sucks!  i was trying to prepare myself for this event,
but i guess i didn't lower my expectations far enough.  the bourgeois
feminism is tangential at best, and the event is mainly a big commercialized
nightmare.  and where is this "dykefest" label coming from?  it is more like
a high school bimbofest.  everything susie bright said, and more because of
the terrible venue at tinley park.

in fact, the venue had much to do with my overall discomfort.  they need some
serious management help there.  so unprofessional and disorganized!!  at
least they *thought* about the fact that they might need a few more women's
restrooms at a festival *celebrating women in music*, but they didn't really
think it through.  they put up a row of portapotties and labeled them
"women."  i think they should have made the regular men's restroom into a
women's, and labeled the portapotties, "men."  but whatever.  they had some
rigorous gender segregation policing going on after some women decided to use
the men's restrooms.  the real hell was waiting in line for food.  i am not
lying when i say that i waited in line a full hour to find out that there was
no food left.  they needed more help, more product and way more organization.
ditto on the parking lot teams.

the absolute highlight of the day was at 4 in the afternoon.  we got as close
as we could to the village acoustic stage to wait for michelle malone.  some
back up singer who can't sing lead went before her.  then michelle came on
and blew her away.  she sang a little teeny four-song set.  she started with
green thumb.  the wind was blowing really hard and she didn't have her usual
baseball cap.  so she yelled over to her right for someone to get her a hat,
but no one responded.  so i said, "michelle!"  and tossed my indigo girls hat
to her.  i can't say that she even knew who gave it to her, but she wore it
for the edge and hollow day.  the teeney boppers were all in a tizzy because
sarah mclaughlin was sitting right by village acoustic watching. she and josh
joined michelle for learn to cry.  it was great.  people were very impressed
and a lot of people were buying her cd and asking for autographs.  i got her
tiny little set list and she signed it.

that was the best part of the day. in hindsight, i wish we had left after
that to go to the ig signing at borders.  i would have been much more
satisfied with two seconds of their time and an autographed poster than i was
with the rest of my lf experience.

i think that the venue does injustice to the folks who open the main stage.
i don't really like lisa loeb all that much, but i felt bad that no one
listened to her except for during stay.  i think a festival should be general
admission so that the fans of the lesser-known acts can give them the
attention that they deserve.  furthermore, in addition to michelle's puney
little time allotment, i think it is a crime that a great artist like emmylou
harris gets only 30 minutes.  she's been performing since before jewel was
even born, and doing it way better.  i guess i should mention that i am not a
fan of the jewel.  i feel really cynical about her.  and so i wasn't
devastated when i missed her whole act to get a lousy piece of greasy cheese
pizza and a flat diet pepsi.

while sarah mclaughlin was on stage, i kept thinking of susie bright's
review:  "sad songs by a sad girl."  and then sarah goes, "some people think
my music is a little depressing, but i think it's cathartic."  well, i guess
she told susie!

on to the igc:  another problem with the new world "theater" is that they
packed as many seats as they possibly could into this place without much
thought for view.  there are these huge, huge poles in the reserved seats
that are just hideous monstrosities holding up the vip sky boxes.  luckily, i
was not contending with a pole, but the seating isn't sloped enough to allow
a good view from the back.  i couldn't see anything.  and the sound wasn't
very good at all.  it was not heavy enough on bass, for one thing, and just
all around low volume.  i have never been to a venue like this before.  i
guess i have been spoiled by red rocks. i think i can get louder volume on my
tv when i watch the ppv special.  in fact, i felt like i was at a video
presentation of the concert, rather than a live concert because the flat
sound and small video screens were all i could experience.

i knew the ig set would be short and i wasn't expecting more.  but!  ugh.
basically the chatterboxes around me were there for jewel and sarah m., so
they weren't too interested in ig.  they babbled and giggled on all the
non-emily songs.  i felt terrible for amy because the crowd was not into her
songs at all after soy.  michelle backed them on many songs and did her usual
wonderful job.

setlist:
1.  galileo--the great thing about this song was listening to the japanese
guy behind me who didn't know english very well, but knew every single word
to this song.  he was great on soy and gotm too.
2. soy--at least the crowd knew the words...
3.  lc--i was thinking about how, with such a short set, emily's choices are
pretty much made for her as far as which of her songs to perform.  the crowd
expects the singalongs.
4.  sys--amy's guitar strap kept breaking, so there was quite a long
instrumental section in the middle.  she got pretty grouchy.  also, not
nearly enough bass.  my favorite part of this song live is sara's funky bass.
5.  ghost--according to sherilyn's survey this is one of the all-time fave ig
songs.  i think that many people were appreciating it, but there was a lot of
talking too.
6.  tried to be true--this is where i got completely disgusted with the
crowd.  they didn't know the words/didn't know to sing on the chorus so when
amy pulled away from her mic for the crowd to join in, there was nothing.
amy and emily finished the rest of the song without the crowd.
7.  gotm--another emily lovefest.
8.  sb--awesome, long "sad eyed soldiers" soc in the middle, but the
jewel-ers around me were too busy gossiping.  i was feeling pretty depressed
about the whole situation.  here's amy talking about some fucking serious
shit and the crowd wants her to just go away.
9.  water is wide--a very quiet song that didn't command much attention until
sarah m. came out.  i was blown away by the a capella harmonizing by a, e, s
and emmylou.  it was very moving.  but a lot of people were still concerned
with what buffy told biff at the party last night...
10.  the ubiquitous ctf--here's where i almost puked.  i guess i am getting a
little tired of this song anyway, but i didn't like sarah, jewel or lisa
loeb's contributions.  sarah, the sad songstress, sang her verse like a
melancholy ballad.  i won't say what i think of jewel because it is too
offensive.  lisa loeb is fine on her songs, but her little girl voice was
just plain annoying on this song.  i made up a song called, "i hate all the
bimbos" sung to the tune of ctf.

i know i am being a cynical bitch, but my recommendation is:  serious ig fans
don't belong at lf.  unless you love all the other performers and it is your
only chance to see ig.  it might also be tolerable at a small venue.  but i
really don't think that a+e fit into lf except mainly in concept.  it is so
commercial.  and it sort of seems like wearing a low-cut slip as a dress in
music videos is a prerequisite for joining lf.  considering amy's concern
with labor issues, i am also surprised that the ig would hold a signing at
borders.  but maybe she hasn't read about it.

that's it.  flame away, but i am on vacation, so i won't read it for a while.

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at 02:54 pm 8/10/97 -0400, you wrote:
>_why i hated lilith fair_ by garian vigil

oh, oh man... *i am bummed!!!*
can somebody post a happy thing, huh????
i shoulda read this one + *then* greg flamer's... *his* left a smile on my
face...
poo!
peace n' positive posts:-) kim ( headed fer the beach to wash these sins
away...)
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subject:      mm chords.....? am i close?(nigc)

medicated magdalene

em                   g(??yes? no?)
i'm so very lonely

yadda yadda...then:

d                        d
some people talkin you can hear a bell ring
d                         d
some people talkin you can't hear a thing
g
yeah yeah

c                       g                 d   d9  d
oh no   here we go again
c                  g                   d  d9 d
medicated magdalene

etc etc

is this close?

-liz-

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to whom it may concern,
please take me of the list asap!!!

thanks and goodbye.
deb

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well....i heard from my source - he meant the sept. issue of "acoustic
guitar" not goldmine. how he got the two magazine names confused i don't
know (guess both of the names beginning with "g" threw him off), except he
said he didn't proof-read his email to me (which i resent to him today).
sorry on all counts for the false alarm. if he didn't live half-way across
the country from me, he'd be in severe trouble - i'm bigger than he is
and could hurt him.

for my penance, i'll transcribe the ag article, but give me a few days,
as it's a long sucker.

nancy humphries
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>_why i hated lilith fair_ by garian vigil

why you should still go to lilith fair--by mr greg koo-flamer

>that said, lilith fair sucks!

no your experience at lilith sucked for many reasons but the fair rocks!

>and where is this "dykefest" label coming from?

umm where you you sitting.  we had liplock on about 7 lovely couples of
female persuasion.  it was a rather interesting atmosphere.  young,
inexperienced and waiting for real life (my pc way of describing teeny
boppers) folks were all over too.  so what.  it's a concert.  kind of a
representation of the world which--imagine--contains diversity.

as far as venue problems go.  umm they could have had port o potties spread
across the whole state of illinois and it still wouldn't have been enough.
my suggestion to anyone going to a concert in the near future in a place
that seats 35,000 people.  don't drink anything all day.   bring your own
food or at least eat beforhand.
         and most importantly have no expectations.  i keep reading all
these posts about concert suckage or bad things that have happened at
concerts.  i honestly believe that we have too many expectations at these
shows.  the girls are not going to play every song you want.  the audience
is not going to sing at all the right places.  the security guards are not
going to let you personally greet amy and emily.  there are going to be
lesbians there.  there are going to gay men there.  there are going to be
straight people there too.  there are going to be screaming teenagers.
people are going to chat during slow songs.  people are going to yell at
the wrong times.  there may even be big yucky women smoking cigars right
next to you while drunkenly going yah yah during ghost.  so have no
expectations and maybe if you have a good time and an amazing experience it
will be a pleasant surprise.  yes an ig concert can be an amazing time.
but don't expect it to be the greatest day of your life.  don't even expect
it to be one of the best days of your life.  unless they are playing in
your backyard it's just a concert so deal :).

and i have to stick up for jewel.  just becasue frat boys worship her and
she steals all the headlines for lilith is no reason to dis her music.  she
has a great voice in my opinion and she is clearly talented.  and i was
beyond glad that everyone came out for ctf.  haven't we heard that song
enough times with just ig.  i think they should have guests sing each verse
from now on.  it was totally cool imo.

people--give lilith fair a chance.  no it's not a good ig experience if you
expect everyone there to love ig and it to be all ig oriented.  but it sure
gave me the ig fix i needed.

one more comment:

>i know i am being a cynical bitch, but my recommendation is:  serious ig fans
>don't belong at lf.  unless you love all the other performers and it is your
>only chance to see ig.  it might also be tolerable at a small venue.  but i
>really don't think that a+e fit into lf except mainly in concept.  it is so
>commercial.  and it sort of seems like wearing a low-cut slip as a dress in
>music videos is a prerequisite for joining lf.

to whoever wrote this--you are not a cynical bitch--just really grouchy :)
:).  but that makes sense.  i've sat on the lawn at the world theater and
been a tad testy afterwards.  at least there was no moshing--i've seen
that!  but my comment is serious ig fans can go to lilith--just don't
expect much.  personally i'd rather hear ig in a small club anyday but it
was an unreal experience to have 35,000 people singing "stand up for the
lookout".  it was awesome.  i wouldn't travel hundreds of miles for lilith
if all you are looking to do is see ig.  wait for a headline concert.  and
btw, amy's boob exposing, low cut tattoo showing t-shirt seems to fit the
prereq you are referring to above  hahaha.  you may have missed that
because you were all the way in the back.  - later gators

greg

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subject:      scranton lf transportation

can i get a head count on how many people are heading to the scranton lilith
fair on wednesday and need transportation from the nearest train/bus/whatever
station to the venue (or would be interested in giving people a ride from
some central location in scranton to the venue :-})? email me privately, and
perhaps we can use our collective strength to pull something off here.

also, is anyone interested in buying two lawn seats off me in case the
transportation doesn't work out? $29.75 each (face value) or best offer...i'd
rather sell 'em cheap than let them go to waste. respond asap if interested.
kirsten

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hi all,

i usually don't post concert reviews, leaving that task to people who are
better at it than i.  but...i haven't seen this bit of info posted yet, so
here goes:

i rushed around like crazy on friday to make it to deer creek in time to
hear michelle malone at 4:10 p.m.  i was quite late and made it to the
front of the acoustic stage just as she was announcing that she was going
to do one more song.  really bummed that i had missed her set, i was at
least grateful that i was going to hear at least one of michelle's songs.
but right then, i blinked hard as i looked at the stage, and realized that
not six feet in front of me stood emily!!!!  then, my eyes looked downward
to the foot of the stage, and there kneeled amy!!!!!  i thought i was
going to hyperventilate right then and there!!  but, i didn't, i kept my
cool, didn't rush the stage, pass out, or throw up.  what i did do was
stand there and listen a beeyooootifuuullll rendition of wild horses with
amy, emily and michelle.  i spent the rest of my lilith fair evening in a
daze.

the moral of the story is, make sure you get to lilith in time to see
michelle at the acoustic stage because you never know when you're going to
get lucky!!  wait a minute.  i want to say that you should get there in
time to see michelle anyway, because seeing michelle is a great stroke of
luck all by itself.  she's wunnerful!

take care,

maggie

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subject:      danielle howle bootlegs!!!!!

hello my indigo fan lovelies!  i'm back from my fantabulous summer of
playing ig songs by campfire!  anywho, i was fortunate enough before i
left for camp sometime in june, to snag some amazing danielle howle
bootlegs of 2 shows:
trutus theatre: colombia, sc 12-15-95
d.h. and the tantrums: rockafella's; colombia, sc 5-22-97

danielle is as quirky as they come and is really fun to listen to. she
tells lots of little stories.  if your looking for something different
or if your a die hard howler, these tapes rock! all you need do is send
me one or two blanks (depending if you want both or not) and a sase.
get back to me soon, i'm only going to fill a limited number!

    hugs and warm indigo colored fuzzies!
        leah (home from camp one day after lilith fair chicago, life is
cruel sometimes :(

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well, i'd say i've had the ultimate ig weekend, short of seeing them in
concert (which i'll be doing a week from tuesday. :)
as if meeting emily and amy at borders yesterday wasn't enough, :o) my local
indie station is playing (upon my request) ig right now! and not just ctf,
or galileo--we're talking get out the map and hey kind friend. go 91.7!

very content! ~abigail


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drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
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> that said, lilith fair sucks!

i disagree with this statement. it only sucks because you saw it at a bad,
bad venue (i was there. in fact, i was actually standing behind you during
michelle's set now that you have identified yourself) with a lineup you
didn't really like, and with generally the kind of people who you don't
like. you can't simply say the lilith fair sucks unless you have some kind
of reference to compare.

i went to both the kansas city and chicago lilith fairs, and to be honest
the vibe between the two was *completely* different. i found the vibe at
the kansas city show to be very communal and peaceful. in fact, i can't
get over how peaceful the crowd was and i felt that everyone there was
there to hear the music, from b and c stage artists to the main stage
performers. i have been telling people that at that show, i felt that
people could take their families and small children to the show, allow
their children to roam free, and on one would harm would come to their
children. it was such an incredible vibe! no drunks, no rowdiness, no
obnoxiousness. it was like no other vibe that i ever felt.

by contrast, i could not stand the chicago lf. the venue was terribly huge
- twice the size of the kansas city venue, the b and c stages were in
terrible cramped locations, the sound system was terrible, and the crowd
generally sucked as there was just too much drinking and too much
disrespect for artists on stage whom people didn't go to see.

the bottom line is that it's not really fair to criticize the lf because
it all depends on your own individual experience. the venue, the lineup,
and other factors affect your opinion, but i have found that the
experience is different from city to city. despite what you think of sarah
mclachlan or any of the other artists who have been asked to join the
tour, the bottom line is that the lf gives exposure to lesser known women
artists and showcases the talents of already established women artists.
because of my attendence at lf shows and because i have been following the
tour through their web site, i have suddenly become interested in
listening to artists like tara mcclean and kelly willis. i also discovered
that i should throw out whatever preconceived biases i had against paula
cole or patti griffin.

i am glad to have been given the opportunity to discover new artists and
rethink my opinions. while i can't attend my dream lineup in minnesota,
with the ig's, sarah, shawn colvin, and dar williams, i am greatful for
what i have seen despite any negatives i may have experienced in attending
the shows - including having to file a complaint against a drunk who
started throwing lighted cigarettes at a girl who wouldn't sit down in
front of him and being physically threatened by him when i told him he
shouldn't do that.

i guess what i am saying is tha the lf does not suck. please don't let the
individual show you attended bias you against the lf and consider there
are many factors which make a show fun to attend.

eddie

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subject:      predicament in buffalo

tomorrow tickets go on sale for the ig hte tour at shea's buffalo.
right now the international alliance of theatrical stage employees, local
10 is out on strike.  these are the stagehands that work darien lake,
where dob dylan and ani difranco played friday night, and shea's
buffalo, where the indigo girls are scheduled to play september 8.  the
reason the local decided to go out on strike is because of the use of
nonunion labor during concerts.  nonunion employees (sometimes called
subcontractor which is just a polite term for scab) have been willing to
work for a fraction of the salary and no benefits.  management believes
the strike will not succeed because performers are
refusing to honor the picket line, and the fans just keep showing up for
the shows.  so basically the strike will fail because nobody cares.  ani
joined in the picket line on friday as a show of support for the
strikers, and after some negotiation with union officers the show went
on as scheduled.

i have friends that are members of local 10, and even though they have
not asked me to set up a boycott, or even boycott the show myself, i
find it impossible to cross the picket line, purchase tickets and stab
these hard working people in the back.  as much as i would love to see
the show, i just won't do it.

i'm not sure how much the ig know about this matter, probably nothing. i
also suspect that they have encountered similar situations numerous
times in their careers, and have found a way to deal with it.  i also
don't know if a boycott will do more harm than good to a city that has
already suffered enough.  i do know that you don't have to go all of the
way down to mexico to find a fight worth fighting.  i hope that amy ray
and emily saliers are not just pretending to be a member of the
proletariat and talk to the union officers of local 10 before playing
shea's.  if the local asks them not to perform, i hope that they will
honor their request.  as for me, i'm going to sit this one out.

gabrielle v. michalek

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>_why i hated lilith fair_by garian vigil
>note: please do not reply to me at this address, i'm on vacation.
>please all flames to: vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu.
>... lilith fair sucks!
above dated: sun, 10 aug 1997 2:54pm

lilith fair didn't suck-- in your ertswhile opinion-- the venue itself
sucked.
did you, or did you not, note who all the performers would be at this
particular lf? if so, why did you bother going to see so many performers
that you seem to dislike soooo intensely?
have you, or have you not, ever been to a music festival with multiple
performers? if so, then you should know that "gee, different people have
different likes, like wow man- what a concept!"
a&e have stated in interviews and articles that the reason they got
involved with lf is because big$$ of the profits are going to local
women's charitable causes at each venue & because they believe in and
wanted to support the *concept* of lilith fair & because they personally
enjoy playing with different musicians-- not to be the headliner; not to
play 2.5 hour sets; and not because they are adored by every individual
who will be attending each lf, each of whom will love & know every word
of whatever songs a&e choose to perform.
note-- all large music concerts, festival & single headliner, are by
necessity commercial, because it costs so much $$ to do-- someone has to
pay for it.
interesting that you chose to post such an obviously inflammable message
while away on vacation.
is this, or is this not, a flame? "like wow man- what a concept!"

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hey everybody.

garian specifically stated that all flames regarding the
provocative chicago lilith fair email be directed to
vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu.  so please, if you feel that
you absolutely must flame, send them to that address and
not to the list.

some notes on spelling:
- my name is sherlyn (surname flamer-koo :).  no "i".
- it's sarah mclachlan, not mclachlan.
- and josh segal is the name of the fellow who's
        been playing backup for the girls.

(sorry, they've just been bugging me.)

okay, that's all.
sherlyn
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'let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all,
let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all...'"
                                 - karen pernick

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hey again everybody,

a moment ago i wrote:

> - it's sarah mclachlan, not mclachlan.

of course, i meant to say that it's "mclachlan, not
mclaughlin".  duh.

someone hit me over the head with something.

:)
sherlyn
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'let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all,
let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all...'"
                                 - karen pernick

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>
> some notes on spelling:
>  - my name is sherlyn (surname flamer-koo :).  no "i".
>  - it's sarah mclachlan, not mclachlan.

um, it's spelled as mclachlan on the cover of fumbling towards ecstasy, which
is hand-lettered, so i doubt it's a typo.

i won't question that you know how to spell your own name, though, even though
most people seem to question that i know how to spell mine. :-)
kirsten

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>some notes on spelling:
> - it's sarah mclachlan, not mclachlan.

hello dear wife!  i am staring at all of my sarah cd's and mclachlan
clearly has the first l capitalized on every page of the liner notes and
the cd.  so from one anal speller to the other i believe you are being
corrected.  if you don't like me correcting you then we can discuss it at
our first marriage counseling session ;-).  btw--for those who missed the
wedding, it was awesome.  ig sounded great and organized things rather
smoothly.

gf

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hi,

very early am here in scotland and i've just read the review about lf in
chicago.  well, apart from the fact that it doesn't happen in the uk (my wee
gripe <bg>), we have music festivals in scotland too.  i was at t in the
park this year (a 2 day event), where there was a lamentable lack of
portaloos (which didn't get cleaned out at all, so you can
imagine....although you may not want to <g>).  we had a thunderstorm and
torrential rain on the second day, turning the field the event was held in
into a slimey, muddy mess.  as the event was sponsored by tennents (a beer
company), there were lots of drunken "younger folks" (i'm almost 28, so
"young" is a relative term i suppose <g>) and also lots of hash smoking.
not all the bands playing were to my taste.

but - it was fun!! :)  negative thought process = negative experience.
positive thought process (yes, even in the rain - i'm scottish, we expect
these things) = positive experience.

not a flame, just my 2 bawbees. :)

gail, dancin' in the mud. :)

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in a message dated 97-08-11 02:25:48 edt, you write:

> some notes on spelling:
>   - my name is sherlyn (surname flamer-koo :).  no "i".
>   - it's sarah mclachlan, not mclachlan.
>   - and josh segal is the name of the fellow who's
>          been playing backup for the girls.
>
>  (sorry, they've just been bugging me.)
>
>  okay, that's all.
>  sherlyn
>
sherlyn...

it seems that you're raher irritated about all of this, though i have no idea
why...but anyway, if you insist on correcting errors, make sure you aren't
wrong yourself.  it is, in fact, sarah mclachlan, and i checked three sources
before correcting your error, so you can be sure i'm not just irritated and
trying to pick a fight; i'm just wondering why you are.
erin
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subject:      re: mm chords.....? am i close?(nigc)
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i'm gonna attempt to post the chords to another michelle malone song...
courtesy of my guitar teacher of course.  problem is i don't have a copy of
the lyrics (yes i checked the web site, but they only have listed for albums
up to redemtion dream), so this is gonna look a little confusing, but i'll
try anyway.

chords for "the edge" by michelle malone:

dm7 =  x 5 7 5 6 5
eflat9 = x 6 5 6 6 6
c#diminished7 = x 4 5 3 4 x
gm = 3 5 5 3 3 3
a7 = 5 7 5 6 5 5
bflat = x 1 3 3 3 1
c7 = x 3 5 3 5 3
bflatmaj7 = x 1 3 2 3 1

fun with bar chords and finger picking, yay!  :)

the verse repeats dm7 and eflat9.  i wouldn't even know how to begin to
notate the rhythm so you're just gonna have to listen to the song and figure
it out.  :)
there's one mesure of c#diminished7 as a transition from the verse to the
chorus. the chorus  basically goes like this (there are variations from time
to time)  :
gm / a7 / dm7 / gm / bflat / c7 / dm7 / dm7 / gm / a7 / dm7 / gm / bflat / c7
/ dm7 / eflat9
the bridge section (begins life isn't worth living.... or something like
that) is two measures each of gm7 / bflatmaj7 / gm7 / a7

well, thats the best i can do.  if anyone finds a copy of the lyrics and
feels like glueing these chords together in a more comprehendable fashion go
right ahead, or else send em to me and i'll repost the song.

west of bishes
shana (jak)

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would the kind soul who had the danielle howle boots please write to me?
i'm on digest and was not able to reply to your post.  for some reason, no
address was shown.  i hope i'm not too late :)
thanks lots!
-anne

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subject:      ig on the view -- help!

okay, i've just consulted my local listings, (cincinnati), and they mention
absolutely _nothing_ about a new morning show on abc called "the view." is
this show only being broadcast in select markets, or did somebody get the
air-date wrong?...  if the airdate is correct, and i'm just lucky enough that
my city isn't broadcasting it, would anybody be willing to set up a trade
with me?  i have alot of ig audio boots, and several videos as well...
here's hoping somebody's interested...

lisa

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hey y'all-

i am trying to get an idea of who is going to be at the list meet tomorrow
and who isn't....

could those who are coming (and even those who are not) please send me an
email.  if the original meeting place is too much of a farce, we could
maybe meet inside the gates somewhere at a certain time.....

please, let me know..

thanks-
karrie

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subject:      borders - nigc
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someone wrote

"considering amy's concern
with labor issues, i am also surprised that the ig would hold a signing at
borders.  but maybe she hasn't read about it."


i too am ignorant about borders, anyone care to enlighten me?


hubie

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at 12:00 pm 8/10/97 -0400, kam lee wrote:
>    soy w/ brown eyed girl (is this a common thing for amy to do?)

she did it at red rocks -- i'm glad she's giving credit where credit is due!

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ya out there???? i signed up for stats again...
is the offer for help still open???lost track since ya moved!!
pooh

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in a message dated 8/10/97 10:58:24 pm, gflame@megsinet.net wrote:

<<... amy's boob exposing, low cut tattoo showing t-shirt ...>>

damn.  now that alone woulda been worth it!!!! ;)

dee

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at 02:54 pm 8/10/97 -0400, gadavl@aol.com wrote:
>really don't think that a+e fit into lf except mainly in concept.  it is so
>commercial.

how so? they're donating lots of money to national and local charities.
i'm sure there are sponsorships (anything this large, esp. if giving away
profits, would need them), and there is press coverage (about time women
musicians got some!).  so what?

>considering amy's concern
>with labor issues, i am also surprised that the ig would hold a signing at
>borders.  but maybe she hasn't read about it.

i know i haven't seen anything about labor problems at borders.

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okay, i've just consulted my local listings, (cincinnati), and they mention
absolutely _nothing_ about a new morning show on abc called "the view."

i checked too and didn't see it.  then i tried http://www.prevue.com, and
there is a show called
just "view", and it comes on at 2am!!!  i'm not sure if this is the correct
one or not though.  it comes on right
before the abc news, so it sounds right.  so, cincy ig fans get ready to set
your clocks for 2am!!

the sfc

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subject:      re: igc: lilith fair "web cast"
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can someone please post when lilith webcasts are -- the offical site sucks!
(there i said it) the news links don't work and it seems like a shameless
self promotion for sarah m. (yes, i like her music, but her evening sets
i've heard are lackluster compared to fte tour)... i could have taped that
entire web cast (p75 w/16 megs ram dedicated t1 with soundcard) so i may
have had some problems with bandwidth -- but it would be server side -- not
my machine. if someone finds any info out -- let me know
mike r.

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nigc & no flames!! ;o)

there've been so many positive posts about michelle malone lately (&
very much deserved imho) that i just thought i'd let folks know that mm
has a home page at hidden water-- it has:  reviews(allegedly coming
soon); sound clips; tour list; leave message/ sign up- mailing list; mm
stuff order info; discography...

        <www.hidwater.com/mm/mmhome.html>

i hope folks who didn't get to see her at lilith fair (aug 10 was mm's
last lf), get a chance to see her perform live-- she's awesome.
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            dolittle all day..."  a.r.

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this is in response to those who have asked when ig will be on abc's the
view and what time the program airs:

per abc:
thursday aug. 14: singing duo indigo girls will perform.

info taken from   http://www.abc.com/theview/showinfo/index.html

what time does the view air? well, it depends where you live. the page
claims 11 a.m. edt. in seattle it airs at 10 a.m. on channel 4.

for other cities, try   http://www.abc.com/local/index.html and see if your
local affiliate has a schedule guide.

forgive me if this info is redundant. i'm a digest person :)

-bon


bonster@u.washington.edu

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subject:      chicago lf

i was wondering if anyone had a bootleg of the lilith fair.  i went to the chicago show on saturday, and it was absolutely amazing!  please write me a personal e-mail if you taped the show.  patti, if you get this message--thanks for the tix!!


melissa

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subject:      gotm review in billboard

just came across today's billboard review of gotm from aol's news:

indigo girls

''get out the map'' (3:23)< epic

a rock song anchored by a banjo? why not? this second offering from the
enduring duo's stellar collection ''shaming of the sun'' is a percussive
strummer that utilizes the banjo with an aggressive manner similar to an
electric guitar. it's a risky move that works extremely well, giving emily
saliers' romantic tale of wanderlust a nice rootsy feel and an effectively
urgent edge. triple-a and ac radio tastemakers will have a field day with
this gem, though targeted rock programmers may be a bit apprehensive about
airing it at first. but give it a try. y'all may be pleasantly surprised at
the listener response. after all, the group's fan base is vast and
passionate.

also in the same review:

ani difranco

''fire door'' (3:44)< righteous babe

difranco appears to be on the verge of her first hit single with this fine
effort from her current album, ''living in clip.'' the acoustic-rooted music
has a percussive drive that will play well over the airwaves, while
difranco's quirky vocal style and smart lyrics will wash over playlists like
a cool and refreshing breeze. also boding well for this noteworthy single's
success is her spot on bob dylan's tour this summer. if you've yet to
discover this super-talented artist, now is the time. contact: 716-852-8020.


maureen

"sometimes i see myself fine, sometimes i need a witness"   - dar williams

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subject:      re: nigc - michelle malone page

while we're on the subject of michelle, anyone who lives in nyc might be
interested to know that theres a store on st marks place between 2nd and
third aves (the place with the huge bins of cds outside) in the village that
has beneath the devil moon for $4.00-supposedly used but most of teh copies
were unopened.


erica

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subject:      ig on hard rock live

try not to flame me too much if this has already been said. i was walking
around strawberries in milford, ma today and i saw a poster for the girls
appearing on hard rock live august 24th. yay!

-liz-

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at 08:29 pm 8/8/97 -0400, mel wrote:
>fyi - for those who don't yet know:
>
>tour dates:  <www.pollstar.com/>
>
>on sale dates:  <www.ticketmaster.com/directory/di_home.html>
>        then: click a state
>        in the list to your left: click weekly onsale (updated every fri am)
>        your area of the country (usa) is shown by on sale dates in a long list
>        instead of weekly on sale you can choose concerts, search by date, or
>        whatever

and here's a plug (in case you're new to the area :) for the shaming of the
sun tour archives site. i put it together because many times (most times;)
the pollstar and ticketmaster sites don't have complete tour info so i've
been compiling all the known stuff in one place at:

http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html

you'll also be able to look up all the stops and setlists since the tour
began in march.

deb

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in answer to weenracer, and for anybody else 'round here:  according to john
kiesewetter's column in today's enquirer, the indigo girls will be on the
view on thursday.  it's on abc -- two choices:  11 a.m., channel 2 and 2:05
a.m. channel 9.
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overstay my welcome, die for attention
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(note..yes, they had the album title wrong..yes, they had amy as soprano and
emily as alto ... other typo kinda stuff is probably mine :>)

the columbus dispatch
sunday, august 10, 1997

harmonic convergence
indigo girls don't dwell on being at vanguard of female bands

by aaron beck
of the dispatch staff

for almost 15 years, the indigo girls have carried the folk-rock torch
ignited by joni mitchell, bob dylan and neil young.

now, with female rock splaying across america through the lilith fair,
singers, songwriters and guitarists amy ray and emily saliers find
themselves at the helm of the next generation.

the pair, band mates since their high-school days in atlanta, formed the
indigo girls in 1983 while attending emory university.

having graduated from the coffeehouses long ago, the two play their
high-energy, literate music for throngs of die-hards at each lilith fair outing.

the festival may be a media darling, but it has its naysayers who scoff at
the seemingly separatist event.

"a long time ago, we were constantly asked to do women's festivals -- always
the ones organized by political separatists who didn't want men to come --
and it was like 'haven't we evolved past this?'" ray said.  "i think history
owes us this experience.  but there *are* men in the bands at lilith."

she lamented that the other festivals this summer include no significant
female acts.

"there's a lot of great women punk bands and a lot of great women doing
hip-hop and acid jazz," she said.  "the place for them would be something
like lollapalooza.  if it works out that only one all-woman band plays,
that's cool -- but it shouldn't be a policy."

ray consistently downplays her band's influence on pop culture.

"who paved the way?  billie holiday?  dusty springfield?  joni mitchell?
sometimes i think it's just synchronicity.  i don't think it's somebody who
heard the indigo girls were successful so people started signing other
artists who sound like us.  there's always been a lot of people out there
playing guitars.

"trends are hard, though.  there was that alternative-rock-boy trend.  now
they're suffering a backlash.  i'm thinking it's probably best not to have
trends."

how appropriate that now, when being "unplugged" is in, the indigo girls are
plugged in.  they have toured with only their voices and their guitars, but
their with new, electrified album, shaming of the sun, they demand a full band.

trademark harmonies and punchy structures remain the unshakable foundation
of their approach.

still, fans of the traditional folk from earlier albums might cringe at the
jagged edge of shaming of the sun.

"for the most part, our fans give anything a chance," ray said.  "but i've
heard people say, 'god, i wish you would just do a record that showcases
what you guys do harmonywise.'"

ray and saliers have co-written only one song, a song on the benefit album
honor.

"i started it, and emily finished it -- which is probably the only way we
could have ever done it," ray said.  "when we wrote the songs for shaming
the sun, the writing was really polarized.  it was even hard to figure out
how to arrange them to even have harmony.  in the end, neither one of us
hesitated about which direction to go."

everyone from lisa germano to the rock-a-teens joins the duo on the new disc.

to the rollicking shame on you, troubadour steve earle adds harmonica and
background vocals.

"he's one of the ultimate storytellers and one of my idols," ray said.  "i
love him."

from previous albums, the influences seem obvious.  on shaming the sun, more
primal souces are dredged.

"emily and i are both big rage against the machine fans," ray said.  "i
listen to a lot of library of congress recordings.  that stuff, rage, patti
smith -- those, to me, are the same things.  it's like these people in the
middle of nowhere singing because they're so passionate about it."

time away from the band also contributed to the latest sound.

"emily's side band plays the big guitar hits of the '70s," ray said.  "i
play in loose experiences that may not be as accomplished musically.  emily
has that punk in her, too.  when she lpays a guitar solo, it's like 'jeez,
where'd that come from?' "

salier's reticent style jibes perfectly with ray's thicker chords, just as
her beautiful alto blends seamlessly with ray's gritty soprano.

with such a musical solution, serendipity occasionally played a role in the
studio this time.

"scooter boys was the most natural song we've recorded," ray said.  "i'd
started the song but just finished it right there, and we just played it.
and emily didn't even know what tuning we were in.  she just started
playing, and we recorded it.  i feel close to it spiritually because it was
like this moment where we all were on this same wave."

sociopolitical elements permeate most of their songs.

as their music continues to evolve, so does their stance in the public eye.

both were "out" long before ellen degeneres graced the cover of time
magazine, but not until recently did ray and saliers start speaking up.

"i had no worries about coming out, but emily felt trepidation about having
to talk about her personal life all the time," ray said.  "the politics
overcame any boundaries of our personal lives, though.  we just said, 'this
is an important fight, and we gotta chip in.'  it wasn't something we
preached about.  but then we went, 'you know, we've gotta *start* preaching
aboaut it' -- not soapboxing, just talking about it some.

"i've met too many high-school kids who've been disowned by their families
and have tried to commit suicide and who are living on the streets.  i don't
want that to happen anymore."

so, with shaming the sun, the indigo girls have buried any previous
reservations.

on it's alright, they sing:  "hate  me 'cause i'm different / hate me cause
i'm gay."

"i think as we get older we also get more outspoken," ray said.  "it's all
right if things don't change today.  we're gonna keep doing what we do.  the
world can either catch up or not."

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overstay my welcome, die for attention
but my heart might"
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hey y'all! found this in reuters.

jendy


tuesday august 5 3:38 pm edt

company press release

michelle malone basks beneath the devil moon

velvel recording artist to tour west coast

new york--(entertainment wire)--august 5, 1997--velvel recording artist michelle
malone will tour the west coast to support her new album entitled beneath
the devil moon.

''can it be that malone's time for widespread success has finally arrived?
asks billboard. ''an
excellent driving song, 'grace,' the single, is just one of 11 slammin'
songs on the artist's must hear
new album.''

''a consumate performer,'' proclaims the album network. ''michelle malone
has...proven once
again what a gifted singer/songwriter she is with her new album,'' surmises
the marietta daily
journal.

malone has recently appeared on lilith fair dates as well as opening slots
for the indigo girls and
patti smith. the artist is available for interviews.

the new west coast dates are as follows:

tue., aug. 19 lunapark/los angeles wed., aug. 20 toe's tavern/santa barbara,
calif. fri., aug.
22 morgan's coffee & tea/monterey, calif. sat., aug. 23 noe valley
ministry/san francisco
sun., aug. 24 villa montalvo center/saratoga, calif. (w/ neville bros.)
tue., aug. 25 key
largo/portland, ore. wed., aug. 27 tractor tavern/seattle thu., aug. 28
bogie's/boise, idaho


contact:

   velvel records, new york
   laura hynes, 212/353-8800, ext. 125

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hi all!

just wanted to share this with everyone.  i went to borders to pick up
the issue of acoustic guitar with ig in it (great mag, btw.  i'll be
picking it up semi-regularly from now on) and on the way out of the store
grabbed a copy of "in the life" which is a free local lesbian and gay
monthly paper.  i was delighted to discover a page and a half interview
w/ ig in it.  so of course i snagged 6 more copies.  if anyone wants one
let me know.  we'll work something out.  here's the article.  reprinted
without permission of course.

the indigo girls by jeffrey l. newman

for 16 years, amy ray and emily saliers, known as the indigo girls, have
built a reputation as the queens of pop/folk music.  with their
politically correct, hearts-on-their-sleeves persona, they have been
undaunted and uncompromising in their dedication to produce musically
satisfying songs with a message.

while others singing sappy songs with forgettable lyrics and be-bopping
melodies to garner platinum albums, ray and saliers have steadfastly
remained true to that which they believe in, social and political causes,
such as the fight against hate crimes and the environment.  in turn
they've traded chart-topping albums for integrity.  they even staged a
gender-bending concert of andrew lloyd weber's "jesus christ superstar,"
a few years ago which is available on cd.

"we're songwriters who grew up in the folk tradition in true sense of the
word.  musically we were influenced by a lot of stuff from folk and pop
to world music to soul and jazz.  and we're very political in how we
think.  everything we see is political.  we don't get mellow, we get mad.
it's not all anger, but it is what it is," says ray.

"we're intense.  we get a little melodramatic and self-involved," says
ray.  "it's hard to write about anything except things you know and what
you know a lot of times is things you're going through or are passionate
about.  our fans key into what we are about.  they appreciate what we do
and allow us to go our own way.  they're pretty open-minded about the
changes we go through and appreciate us for that,"

ray and saliers, 33 and 34 respectively, are back on tour also
(occasionally headlining on this summer's lilith tour, a summer rock fest
of today's top female artists) after nearly a year-and-a-half hiatus to
promote their newest epic release, "shaming of the sun."  the new opus,
which is neatly grounded in dylanesque 60's folk rock with a 90's
sensibility, tackles some of today's headline-grabbing issues, including
homophobia, mexican immigrants and attacks on african-american churches.

"i think it would suck to be known for a few hit singles - to have this
fame and burn your career out.  the way we've done things, we've built a
solid fan base and that's been a lot more gratifying," says saliers.
"people have poked fun at our politics and view of world and taken
personal criticism rather than constructive review of album.  some people
we just rub the wrong way.  that's the stigma you get for being a
politically correct, lesbian, feminist folk group.  it rubs people the
wrong way."

the new album also finds the indigo girls less stripped down than on
earlier releases.  they still have their acoustic guitars and sweet
harmonies, but tossed in amongst the tracks are electronic guitars and a
looser, more rock sensibility.

"i'm very happy with this album," says ray.  "usually after i make a
record, i have to give it up and let it go.  it's never quite right for
me.  but this album feels really good.  i didn't have to compromise.  i
don't feel as if we quit before it was done.  we did as much as we could
have.  if it isn't good enough, it isn't from lack of trying.  we really
exhausted ourselves for this one."

while the indigo girls are open about being an "out" band, a some-what
mainstream group fronted by two openly gay musicians, the road to get
there was not an easy one.  while ray was less reserved or concerned
about the public's image of her and her sexuality, saliers was more
uneasy about being public about her sexual preference, mainly out of
concern that they would forever be labeled a lesbian band and that it
would overshadow what their music was about.

"emily and i grew at different speeds, when it came to what we wanted to
say [about our homosexuality] and when.  it's never been that big a deal
to me.  i've never felt limited by it.  i think it has helped us gain a
sense of community," says ray.

"there was a time when emily didn't feel comfortable about being open.
she felt like there had to be something in her life that had to be
private and she wanted to keep it out of the public eye," she recalls.
"she hadn't necessarily come to terms with things.  my concern was that
if we didn't talk about it, i didn't feel as if we were being honest.  we
were asking people to be individuals and stand up for themselves, so i
felt like we had to also."

the duo reached a compromise.  ray talked about being gay and saliers
talked about the things she felt comfortable talking about.  but about
three or four years ago, after doing radio interviews and seeing the need
to be open, saliers changed her tune.

"i don't regret coming out.  i only wish i had done it earlier.  i was
just afraid of the stigma.  i didn't want to be identified as a lesbian
band first and a musical band second.  it was also my personal fear of
rejection," says saliers, who has been with her lover for three years.
"once we were both out, i was like 'why wasn't it always that way.'  it's
better in the long run for more people to be out."

ray and saliers met when they were in the sixth grade and teamed up
musically during their junior year of high school.  (contrary to
speculation, they've never been lovers.)  they started out grass roots,
playing the clubs and earning a cult following.  in 1985, they produced
their first single and followed that up with a self-produced ep a year
later.  things changed in 1988, when epic records signed the duo.  a year
later they released their first major label album.  the self-titled debut
featured several guest musicians including bill berry and michael stipe
of r.e.m. and spawned the hit single, "closer to fine." which reached
number 52 on the billboard pop chart.  they also earned two grammy
nominations and won for best contemporary folk recording.

since then they have released six full-length albums, chalked up gold
album, grammy nominations and contributed to many benefit releases.
their last full-length album, "swamp ophelia," reached the top 10 on
billboard's pop chart.  their highest ranking to date.  it was certified
gold within 2 weeks.  ray also formed her own record label, daemon, based
outside atlanta, where the girls live.

since they started, ray and saliers say they've never compromised their
values.  they haven't gone the mainstream pop route, and conversely have
never had a hit single.  they also get little or no coverage outside of
the folk or gay press, unless it's an article criticizing their overt
political stance.

but while mainstream media has turned it's cheek to the girls over the
course of their career, they've learned to turn the other cheek and not
allow it to underscore what they are about.

"i don't feel pigeonholed into being anything.  if anything, we're given
so little recognition form the mainstream press, or it's negative press
if we get any, the pressure to conform isn't on.  it's not like we have
had all of this praise in the past that we have to live up to," says ray.

"it's one of those things that if we had it, we wouldn't want it.  we've
learned that it can never really please the ego.  i try to look at in a
realistic way," she adds.  "i used to get bummed when i didn't feel
mainstream gave us a chance musically.  if they do talk about us, they
make fun of our politics or our audience.  i'd rather have some
constructive criticism that has some clarity.  i'd rather know why they
don't like our music than have them just be nasty.  to me, music
journalism is at its finest when they tell you what the music is like.
it's supposed to teach us something about the music.  they talk about our
lives, never the music.  i feel like we've been together for 16 years and
recording for 10, it's time to give it a rest.  at some point we want
someone to talk about the music."

unlike their musical lesbian peers, kd lang and melissa etheridge, ray
and saliers feel they aren't mainstream enough to cause the type of
sensation the other women did when they came out.

"their music is a little more accessible and mainstream," says saliers.

"kd's crooning and gorgeous ballads don't irritate people the way
political or social issues do.  melissa's songs are about relationships
and love.  it's rock-n-roll.  it's very mainstream.  it's a lot different
from what we do."

while their music is serious in nature and socially conscious lyrically,
not everything is life and death, doom and gloom or even politically
involved for the girls.  they say people have a big misconception that
hey are always serious and never light-hearted.

"people think that we are totally serious hardcore women.  we're not
always that way.  we are in our lives when it comes to the things that we
feel strongly about.  and if you focus on that one thing, that picture
comes across," says saliers.  "but the truth is, we laugh a lot.  life is
hilarious."

adds ray, "people think of us as so intense and that we don't have fun.
but in reality, we spend 75% of the time laughing.  we just find things
totally absurd.  we have a really great time and we laugh a lot
together."

and while they know out lesbians in a male-dominated industry, they plan
to remain true to themselves and their music, and along the way help
fight social and political battles that are important to them.

"i don't get tired of being identified as gay.  the gay movement is
important to us.  it always has been.  i see a lot of positive things and
a lot of negative things going on in the fight for gay rights, which is
the way it is in any revolution.  i see progress though.  i see progress
just in our audience alone and in the understanding we get around us,"
says ray.  "different things make the movement work.  it's an evolution.
i think one part is when people in the public eye come out.  because of
our culture, it trickles down.  it makes homosexuality more acceptable to
mainstream," she says.  "people relate to famous people in a weird way.
if we're going to use our being in the public eye, we're going to use it
in a good way in terms of the gay movement.  but we are just one of many.
there are many others fighting the fight.  people have died in this
fight.  it should never be about a small group of people, it's about
everybody."

jeffrey l. newman is a new york-based writer and can be reached via
e-mail at editorjeff@aol.com.


tuesday's child

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"my inner child is coffee" - andy stochansky (formerly of split wet
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subject:      lf chicago

i too, was disappointed with the venue.  however, i think all the musicians
did a great job,  all the sets were too short, but i guess thats too be
expected.  however, the day was horrible because of  many of the things that
garian said.  i don't think it is unreasonable to expect the venue to be
prepared to handle a crowd.  i timed my wait in the food line - - one hour
and 15 minutes - -  and then i didn't even get a greasy slice of pizza, i
would have gladly paid $10 for a greasy slice of pizza, we were starving.  we
were told, after that long wait that all they had ready were pretzels or
popcorn.  we even asked if we could wait til something was cooked and they
said no because there was a line behind us.  i am sorry, that is completely
unprofessional and unacceptable and it will keep me from attending concerts
there in the future.  even the indigo girls.  ditto goes for the parking - -
as greg said, you expect it to take some time because of the crowds.  but we
sat in a line that did not move at all for 45 minutes.  finally people
starting backing up and driving through the half empty parking lot to try to
exit elsewhere.  and along the way there are parking attendants doing
nothing.  what is that?

anyway, i missed lisa loeb & emmylou due to the food line.  i may be in the
minority, but i liked jewlel and sarah.  however, the ig were the highlight
of the evening.  and where i was sitting the crowd had thinned out, but the
people who were left were really into it.  i also liket ctf, i thought
letting everyone join them was cool..

anyway, that was my day.  i guess the last hour was the best, but inot sure
it was worth all the hassles.

aileen

ps.. oh, but i did buy a cool moonstone ring!!

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subject:      labor issues at borders

hi y'all,

i was reading the lilith fair homepage discussion group,
and i read some posts about people being pissed
off about borders being a sponsor.  i am not going
to get this right, so i don't want to summarize what it
was all about.  something about some woman/women losing
her/their job over something.   i forgot.  forgive me.  go read the
lilith fair discussion site.  some woman posted a huge
letter against borders, and it was round-about late june
or early july, so i don't know if it's still there.  maybe i'll find time

to look for it and post it to the list.  if anyone else finds it,
i'm hoping you'll find some time to fill people in.

lisa

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subject:      indy/chi lilith fairs (long, but worth it....i hope)

hi y'all,

back from another awesome ig road-trip to deer creek
and tinley park....although this
one was not nearly as great as the three oh/mi concerts
i saw with kate and libby in june.  first, i have to
say thanks to libby and julie for the company.  sorry i
didn't get to say good-bye to you since you had to shoot out of
the world sooooo fast at the end of ig's set to get back to
indy that night.

second, sorry greg!!!!!  man, when emmylou was over,
i said to my friend olga, "i'll be right back...i have a list
meeting to go to."  i walked around the area you said you'd
be, but i didn't see you.  there was just a sea of people,
everyone going to the porta-potties, gettin' food, etc.
i missed your sign.  i think we needed a bit more planning
for this meeting, but it certainly wasn't anyone's fault,
especially considering we all just came from the ig signing
and had our heads in the clouds.  i just want you all to
know that i wasn't ignoring you all.  i said i wanted to meet,
and i tried.....then i gave up.  my loss.  :(

for those of you going to the milwaukee lilith fair, we should
plan something more than just meeting on a walk.  any
suggestions?

the concerts were pretty good, but not great (ig only would've
been much better).  i won't post the
set-lists, since everyone has done that very well already.  i will
give my personal highlights, however.

deer creek:

*  the crowd at deer creek was soooo cute, especially
on the grass.  we had obstructed view grass seats and
settled for watching the video screen, so people-watching
became a really fun pasttime.  ;-)  i didn't mind all
the shows of affection.  people-watching is fun!  :)  ok,
now you'll all think i am a voyeur or something.  whatever.
it was just the atmosphere....friendly, loving, "connected"
(much moreso than the chicago lilith crowd, i thought,
which talked a lot through everone's set, except not
so much through ig).  the deer creek crowd was
the next best part of the night, besides ig.

*  van morrison's brown eyed girl in the middle of
shame on you.  amy took that one and ran with it.  she was
really into that.  so was i.  i always love when the girls get a
little creative with songs and add stuff.   but amy singing that was
extra special.....something i couldn't have predicted in a million
years, but it absolutely worked for her.   it was fun...it was sexy.
it was pure amy.   why do i always think that the girls do
covers better than the original????  maybe i'm a bit biased (???)  ;-)

*  water is wide with emmylou and sarah.  wow, what harmony!
absolutely beautiful a capella segment!  the chicago one
was a bit better though.  anyway, can someone add insight to
this song?  our group was wondering just where it came from
and whose it is.  we thought it is a new song of a&e's which will
be on the upcoming folk album.  what are we missing here?
i feel like i musta missed a big discussion on this somewhere
along the line.  (i just got back on the list not too long ago,
so forgive me please.)

*  jewel and sarah - captivating!!!!!  yeah, that's the word for it.
sarah is just a wonder to listen to.  so natural.  so.....angelic.
jewel is raw and bold.  her yodelling stole the show, both nights.

tinley park:

*  amy's attire.  i don't know about anyone else, but having
gone to see the girls six times this summer, i've been getting
a bit tired of the same ol' 70s fly-collar look.  fashion
is fashion, and i appreciate the girls for who they are, but when i see
a drastic change to a plain white v-neck t-shirt and regular blue
jeans, i say (ooo-)la-la!!  (shame on me!)  amy looked really
in her element, very relaxed.  both a and e did, as a matter of fact.
they seemed to love being in chicago for a change.  they played their
hearts out and had tons of fun, through strap problems and all.

*  ctf, both nights.  sure, some artists, such as lisa loeb, jewel, even
sarah, seemed to not be too sure of themselves when singing
this, but the candidness of it was great in itself.  it was fun to
see the whole lilith crowd up there jamming together, and you could
tell they were having a blast.  amy on banjo was also cool!  i figured
it was her live practice jam.

*  the thunderous chicago crowd.  they may have not been so
lilith-connected and appreciative of the whole concept and all the
artitsts, but when ig came on, wow!  loud!  it gave me the chills.
it was stupendous to hear ig receiving more ovation than any
other artist.   (i do consider, though, the nature of the concerts.
jewel, emmylou, and sarah are a bit more subdued.   but it
did seem like the crowd was way into ig.  they popped right
out of their seats when ig came on and never sat down.  and sing
they did!)

*  the ig signing.  great opportunity!  a&e seemed in great
spirits!  em had sunglasses on, at least through the half
hour i was there.  we couldn't figure out why.  did she
ever take them off?  i got my self-titled (vinyl) lp cover signed.  amy
signed on the black part in silver marker and drew me a cute
flower.  i got a heart from em in black along the bottom white
border.  this lp is quite priceless now, at least to me.  :)

sign antics:

so, i've been trying to get crazy game played during the
last 5 shows i've seen.  i asked amy, face to face, when we
met them by their bus outside of blossom (6-12-97), to play
it the next day at fraze.  she said, "i'll try to remember.  hold
up a sign."  at fraze (6-13-97), we did just that, but it was so
big (huge "crazy" and "game" in two large pieces), that they
either ignored it or couldn't see it.  so, at pine
knob (6-14-97), the sign got smaller ("crazy game....you
promised at blossom") and got lots of recognition
from amy....a smile, a nod, and a point.  she remembered.
but, by ctf, no cg, so we yelled "amy!!!!!" and she looked
over at us and said in the mic "i'll play that next time.  i promise!"
we thought, "next time??????"  (the recognition was cool though!)
sooooo, here i am in the line for an autograph at borders
with a sign (just an 8 1/2" x 11" paper) with "crazy game....
it is next time!  remember pine knob?"  standing smack in
front of them at the table, i said "well, here's my third sign
for this."  they looked up, read the sign, and laughed.  then
emily made an excuse that they already played crazy game
this year a few times.  when did i miss this????  can anyone
back them up?  oh, well.  i appreiciate them so much that
i guess i'll live.....but i still have one more lilith fair to
go to in milwaukee...i know i won't hear cg, but they are
going to get sight of my fourth sign.  :)  ha ha.  i'll show them.
i will not be complacent!  :)

disappointment:  can anyone help?  the lilith fair is
officially out of lilith compilation cds, from what
i was told.  i was told that 9 west shoe stores are our only
chance now to get this cd.   the chicago 9 west stores were out of
them too.  if anyone knows where to get one, could i get
someone to pick one up for me?  i was going to try in milwaukee
in a week, but i imagine they are out too.  i remember someone
posting an offer to get some, but i'm sure this offer has long
expired and i am too late, but is there anyone else out there who
can help?

another disappointment:  i expected to see more "hard-core"
women's organizations on display at the fair.  mostly, i saw
vendors of crafts and such.  some organizations were there,
but i felt they could have had more grass roots stuff
and really made a statement.  i thought this aspect of the
fair fizzled.  does anyone agree?

uh-oh, an afterthought....i just read....

>date:    sun, 10 aug 1997 14:54:41 -0400
>from:    gadavl@aol.com
>subject: lilith fair in chicago--very long
>_why i hated lilith fair_ by garian vigil

hehe.....this hits on some good points, but maybe you're
a bit too serious, garian.  what did you expect?  the venues
are way too huge for a really connected, ig-fan experience.
too many different artists who attract different types of fans.  i
went to this fair expecting this, so i wasn't bugged too much by
all the talking and lack of appreciation and attentiveness...not
as much as i would be if this were an ig-only show.  and,
speaking of huge venues, i was victim of the obstructed view
by the huge world theater pillars.  it is a crime to even have
seats behind them, i think.

finally, that's all.  thanks for reading!

lisa

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subject:      ig fans

hey any ig fans living in spain or uk?  if so please email me.  thanks!

mj
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>malone has recently appeared on lilith fair dates as well as opening slots
>for the indigo girls and patti smith.

i'd say velvel is taking considerable liberties in their wording of that
statement, given that mm merely opened for ig on one night that patti smith
also opened for them...

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at 12:11 pm 8/11/97 -0400, michael reynolds wrote:
>can someone please post when lilith webcasts are -- the offical site sucks!

a little perspective here, please.  how many official tour sites do you
know that are updated daily?  how many feature multimedia of prior
performances?  i think they deserve a lot of credit for that site.  i can't
even imagine how many lf tour date posts i would have had to wade through
on my various lists if it weren't for the timely dates and line-ups posted
to that site.  compare that to the most recent dates posted to the sony
site for ig...

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at 10:26 pm 8/11/97 -0500, lisa m. schreihart wrote:
>*  water is wide with emmylou and sarah.  wow, what harmony!
>absolutely beautiful a capella segment!  the chicago one
>was a bit better though.  anyway, can someone add insight to
>this song?  our group was wondering just where it came from
>and whose it is.  we thought it is a new song of a&e's which will
>be on the upcoming folk album.  what are we missing here?

it's a traditional song.  first i know of them doing it was on the
"unplugged" with michelle shocked (1/30/90 - see the link on my ig page for
more info).  they've performed it at many shows over the years, and it
appears on the club r&r promo (7/92).  michelle shocked released the song
as a bonus track on a cd-single several years ago, on which it was called
"waters wide".

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> it's a traditional song.  first i know of them doing it was on the
> "unplugged" with michelle shocked (1/30/90 - see the link on my ig page for
> more info).  they've performed it at many shows over the years, and it
> appears on the club r&r promo (7/92).  michelle shocked released the song
> as a bonus track on a cd-single several years ago, on which it was called
> "waters wide".

i have a video of ig performing it in 1987 in decatur.  they've had that
song in their repertoire for a good long time now.

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on tue 12 aug 09:00 -0400 deb wrote-
>i'd say velvel is taking consderable liberties in their wording
>of that statement, given that mm merely opened for ig on one night
>that patti smith also opened for them...

>>malone has recently appeared on lilith fair dates, as well as
>>opening slots for the indigo girls and patti smith.

michelle malone has been opening for ig for years, as i think many of us
know. i've been fortunate enough to see many. i think velvel's liberty
was saying that she opens for patti smith-- which actually sounds like a
really good club bill. someone should suggest it to their reps.

note: this is absolutely not a flame! merely discussion. <whew>  ;-)
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anyone know how to get tickets to the amherst and bates concerts? i fially
found out when and where they were playing thanks to pollstar but they don't
have any ticket info!!!!!

-becky
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its. 10:15 am and the view is on channel 7 ( just saw oprah telling us
what she stole from hotels and resturants)..sooo i guess that means you
can set yer vcrs tommorrow fer da girls..

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date:         mon, 11 aug 1997 21:48:45 +0000
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from:         monique barbanson <mhb@entelechy.com>
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i recently received boot tapes from the recent berkeley shows from
john miller, and i was amazed at the quality of the sound he got. not
only is there minimum background noise, but the sound level is
actually good instead of being too low like it is on most boots in my
collection.
so here is my question for all of you boot wizards: how do you get
good quality boots with decent sound levels?
enquiring minds want to know...

cheers,

monique

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 09:22:46 -0700
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hi everyone,
i'm fairly new to this list, although not a new fan, and i just wanted to say hello, as well as inquire about bootlegs.
i don't have any, and i was hoping someone could offer some advice on how to acquire some.  or, if there's anyone on the list that would be willing to trade with me for either p/b or something else from my *limited* collection, perhaps you could contact me?  i would love and appreciate you.
also, has anyone been able to record any shows from this tour?  i would kill to get the show (7/6/97, berkeley greek theater) that i was at.
thanks, peace & happiness,
amy

"so you can make me cum, that doesn't make you jesus." -tori amos

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 11:44:22 -0500
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were the setlists to the two ohio lf shows posted? i was gone for the
weekend and skimmed my mail rather quickly so i don't know if i just missed
them. if you happen to know them, could you please send them to me?

thanks muchly...

deb

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subject:      promo video offer-finally!

to those of you who have sent me blanks for the ig
promo/letterman/rosie video offer...i am truly sorry that it has
taken so long!!  i won't go into the gruesome details, but.....i
mailed a batch of 30 out today...and the last 15 are being dubbed
this week......my friend who is dubbing them wasn't honest enough
with me to tell me that she just didnt have the time to do them.....
so she let them sit and gave me a million excused which i naively
passed on to you all.....i am truly sorry for the delay!!  i am sure
most of you are really pissed at me...and i don't blame you...besides
that i had a hard drive crash which has kept me from logging on in
month...so my box full of 2000 letters....i am sure that some of
those are from this list asking me what the hell my problem is and
where the hell their videos are.....except for the last 15, you will
have those this week. the last 15 should be done by this weekend......
.(i pray).

again, i appologize whole-heartedly for the screwup
forever indigo, and forever sorry,
cathy zavislak

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probally got hooked up to teh sound board some times u can do that


n mon, 11 aug 1997, monique barbanson wrote:

> i recently received boot tapes from the recent berkeley shows from
> john miller, and i was amazed at the quality of the sound he got. not
> only is there minimum background noise, but the sound level is
> actually good instead of being too low like it is on most boots in my
> collection.
> so here is my question for all of you boot wizards: how do you get
> good quality boots with decent sound levels?
> enquiring minds want to know...
>
> cheers,
>
> monique
>
k

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at 07:34 pm 8/8/97 -0700, deb wrote:
>>>i know it's illegal to *sell* promos (i.e., the promo video in question),
>>>but is it illegal to tape them?
>>
>>technically, yes. it is a violation of the copyright just as is making a
>>tape of cds for your car.
>
>not trying to run this into that ground, but... you pay for cds; the video
>promos were given away to the public, and that's what i thought might make
>a difference.

i'm finally catching up with my mail so sorry for the delayed response here.

the moment something is created, it is copyrighted. the copyright is there
whether the item (song, article, design, etc) is ever published, sold,
promoed, given away, etc. the copyright is held by the artist or whomever
the artist has been commissioned by. any reproduction of the item without
the permission of the artist and/or commision is a copyright violation.

so even though the video was a promo, it has been copyrighted material since
its inception. i don't have the video with me here at work, but i believe
the copyright is held by epic. making copies of it is illegal.

deb

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i seem to have quite a bit of time on my hands and i'd be glad to dub copies
of my "blue food" boot for any newbies (or others who don't have it) looking
to start out a boot collection. the tape is from the girls' early days and
contains a lot of material not on the epic releases, as well as many cover
songs. it's a good sampling of ig's days playing the atlanta bar scene
before their record deal, and i'd prefer that blank tapes w/return envelopes
be sent, rather than trades. e-mail me if interested and i'll send my
address. i have good boot trade credentials and can provided references to
back me up. ;)

~abigail

"there's been a lot of speculation about what causes homosexuality. so far,
no one seems to know. although, in our family, i was the only one who would
drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
                    ~bob smith

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subject:      fwd: icby by mle (nigc)

forwarded to me by a guitar guru. thought i'd be nice today and practice
my sharing...

____________________________________________________

i could have been you
by melissa etheridge and john shanks
1995, mle music, inc/emi virgin music inc/line one publishing  (ascap)

e-1-1-1-0-1-0-0
b-0-0-0-0-0-0-2

take take a look at the sky
sometimes your heaven seems so far away
take take a look under here
where deprevation turns into decay
i've stood under this rain
felt it seep into my brain
i've shut my eyes and crawled around this mud
i'm scared of growing old
i shiver when i'm cold
don't you think i bleed the same blood

(chorus)

am                  c
i i could have been you
                    g
you could have been me
d                                 am
one small change that shapes your destiny
                c
if you want the proof
                  g
cut me and you'll see
                  d
i could have been you

you could have been me

(back to intro strum pattern)

wait wait before you turn off
maybe theres a chance we can relate
wait everybody turns on
why deny a fact thats so innate
its not so easy anymore
they way you used to keep score
not so black and white the color of your sin
take a walk inside my shoes
a path i didn't choose
spend the night inside of my skin

(unsure of this part...anyone ? anyone?)

change is turning into fear
fear is melting into hate
with hate you justify you crime
a crime compassion can erase
erase erase

touch touch what i feel
and know i believe everything i say
so go go if you must
remember one thing as you walk away

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this may be old news, but since i'm a newbie, i probably missed it.  does
anyone have a boot of the red rocks shows july 17 & 18?  i must re-live
that amazing experience!! please e-mail me privately with info.  thanks!

------------------------------------------------------------
hey holy, console me, some power controls me (it's amy!)

jen

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hello all,
i have 1 ticket for sale for saturdays lillith fair show in toronto.
it is a great seat on the amy side i believe. mail me privately if
interested.

feel free to share as much as you want to, mark

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subject:      chicago

lisa <lschreihart@juno.com> wrote:


>another disappointment:  i expected to see more "hard-core"
>women's organizations on display at the fair.  mostly, i saw
>vendors of crafts and such.  some organizations were there,
>but i felt they could have had more grass roots stuff
and really made a statement.  i thought this aspect of the
>fair fizzled.  does anyone agree?


coulda just been bad timing for the chicago show....i believe the michigan
women's festival is up and running this week and might have started sunday.

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subject:      igc - tour dates

just heard this on the radio this afternoon....

ig will be playing the palace theater in albany, ny on september 10th.
tickets go on sale this friday, 08/15 at 9am.  prices are:

$51 for the first 7 rows
$28.50 for the next 9 rows
$23.50 for the rest of the house.

it's a fairly small theater.  the only bad seats are far stage right and
left because they are partially obstructed.

anyway, i'm in a quandry (sp?) about whether to spend $51 bucks and be
able to count freckles or be financially responsible and get 8th row for
28.50.  8th row really isn't bad.  i sat in 6th row for their last
appearance there (1991) and i was close enough to see the red tag on
amy's levi's.

anyway, i'll be camped out in front of the theater box office friday
morning.  anyone else gonna go?

oh yeah.  i wanted to ask if these september dates are for hte, and if
so, is anyone else playing with them?  anyone know anything about this?

hope to see some of you there!

tuesday's child

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        this is too humorous.  on the rem and/or michael stipe list i
also get (too many lists! what i'll do to guarantee myslef more than
three messages a day...) somebody evidentally brought up the lilith fair
closer to fine ending and everybody automatically appears to have
associated this with the party of five theme song "closer to free".
imagine my horror.  had to set them right a bit.  and then somebody had
the gall to pervert it even further:  "closer to fire? i always thought
it was closer to free."  sigh.  that's one list i won't regret letting go
when i head off for college (in 9 days, 115 hours...)
                                ever counting,
                                   -diane.

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i'm sorry but i have to close the boot offer to those who have not already
e-mailed me about it. the response has been overwhelming and i want to make
sure i'm able to handle dubbing all the boots i agree to make. i will try
and make the offer available again within the next few weeks if this round
goes well. thanks for the patience.

~abigail

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no one seems to know. although, in our family, i was the only one who would
drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
                    ~bob smith

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seeing as so many dates are being thrown about, i thought i'd send out a
compiled list. as always, the list can also be found at
http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/dates.html.

if anything is in error, kindly correct me :)

deb

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
date            city/state              venue                           on sale
tue12aug        pittsburgh, pa          lilith fair / starlake amp      now
wed13aug        scranton, pa            lilith fair / montage amp       now
fri15aug        toronto, on             lilith fair / toronto, on       sold out
sat16aug        toronto, on             lilith fair / toronto, on       sold out
sun17aug        montreal, pq            lilith fair / stade dumauruier  now
tue19aug        milwaukee, wi           lilith fair / marcus amp        now
wed20aug        shakopee, mn            lilith fair / canterbury park   now
fri22aug        calgary, ab             lilith fair / mcmahon stadium   now
sun24aug        vancouver, bc           lilith fair / t-bird stadium    now
mon08sep        buffalo, ny             sheas auditorium                now
tue09sep        syracuse, ny            landmark theatre                now
wed10sep        albany, ny              palace theatre                  fri15aug
fri12sep        amherst, ma             mullins center                  tba
sat13sep        lewiston, me            bates college / gray fieldhouse tba
mon15sep        poughkeepsie, ny        marist college / mccann cntr    tba
fri19sep        boone, nc               appalachian st u / farthing aud tba
sat20sep        blacksburg, va          burruss auditorium              tba
sun21sep        columbia, sc            the township arena              tba
mon22sep        savannah, ga            johnny mercer theatre           tba
thu25sep        jacksonville, fl        florida theatre                 fri15aug
fri26sep        tampa, fl               u of s. florida / the sun dome  now
sat27sep        west palm beach, fl     coral sky amphitheatre          tba
sat18oct        valdosta state, ga      valdosta state complex          tba

that's all for now!

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subject:      re: indy/chi lilith fairs (long, but worth it....i hope)

in a message dated 97-08-12 01:31:39 edt, lschreihart@juno.com writes:

<< then
emily made an excuse that they already played crazy game
this year a few times.  when did i miss this????  can anyone
back them up?  >>

i saw them 6-28-97 in dallas (only my 6th time ever!  you roadtrippers make
me so jealous...) and they did indeed play "crazy game."  it looked like it
was a spur of the moment decision - amy said something about a change in the
set list, there was a little confusion about what guitars were coming out
(amy didn't play, just sang), and then, voila!, they did a beautiful cg!  so
emily was telling you the truth.  they have done it recently, at least once!

pam
+++++++++++++++++++++++
we're standing at opposite poles
equal partners in a mystery.  es
+++++++++++++++++++++++

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ok, abigail indicated that she was unable to take on everyone who
wanted a copy of blue food. i figure, heck, i've got that one, why not
pitch in? so, i will make 10 copies, first come first serve. you can
just send me a blank tape with a self-addressed stamped mailer, or if
you happen to have other boots, i would consider a trade. email for
details! :)

-a

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well guys,

i'm writing to say good bye. it seems something about the list causes
mailtool to generate processes that eat up all of the cpu on unix boxies.
if anyone could figure out how, they would have a really good virus that
is truely deliverable by email, without even reading the message. it might
be digest related, but the sum result is i have to unsubscribe in order
for my machine to be able to compile.

anyway, its been fun, and i have enjoyed your company.

trant

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subject:      the view

i tried to get a complete listing of stations carrying the view and air times
to post to the list, but it's 15 pages long!  generally speaking, though,
it's on live from 11am to noon on the east coast, 10 to 11am central, 9 to
10am mountain, and 10 to 11 (taped) on the west coast.  if you can't find a
listing for it locally, you can try calling the abc affiliate relations
department in ny at (212) 456-6306 and they'll let you know what the deal is
in your area.

maureen

"sometimes i see myself fine, sometimes i need a witness"   - dar williams

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for those of you in arizona(hi jim) "the view"  showing on channel 15 @
10:00am.  wonder how i can get out of work that day?  :)

jan

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>from:  hudsonvu@aol.com[smtp:hudsonvu@aol.com]
>sent:  tuesday, august 12, 1997 2:30 pm
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject:       the view
>
>i tried to get a complete listing of stations carrying the view and air times
>to post to the list, but it's 15 pages long!  generally speaking, though,
>it's on live from 11am to noon on the east coast, 10 to 11am central, 9 to
>10am mountain, and 10 to 11 (taped) on the west coast.  if you can't find a
>listing for it locally, you can try calling the abc affiliate relations
>department in ny at (212) 456-6306 and they'll let you know what the deal is
>in your area.
>
>maureen
>
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at 04:59 pm 8/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
>in a message dated 97-08-12 01:31:39 edt, lschreihart@juno.com writes:
>
><< then
> emily made an excuse that they already played crazy game
> this year a few times.  when did i miss this????  can anyone
> back them up?  >>
>
>i saw them 6-28-97 in dallas (only my 6th time ever!  you roadtrippers make
>me so jealous...) and they did indeed play "crazy game."  it looked like it
>was a spur of the moment decision - amy said something about a change in the
>set list, there was a little confusion about what guitars were coming out
>(amy didn't play, just sang), and then, voila!, they did a beautiful cg!  so
>emily was telling you the truth.  they have done it recently, at least once!

they also played crazy game at the july 6th berkeley show and the july 12th
seattle show.

emily, lie? pa sha!

deb

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 19:25:37 -0400
reply-to:     sarikins@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sari laufer <sarikins@aol.com>
subject:      why my boyfriend rocks(igc, really)

my birthday was on sunday, and my boyfriend has been freaking for weeks, sure
that if he doesn't get me the right gift, our relationship is going to end or
sumpin' silly like that. so he doesn't really give me hints, except to say
that he hopes it's ready in time. i thus assume he's getting jewelry
engraved, which i think is fine. the only thing i had asked him for was to
make sure the gift was personal, i.e. not a random cd or something.

so, i open the gift and what is it?(i know you're all dying to know!). it's
two beautifully framed photos- one of emily and one of amy. somehow he
tracked don someone who was at jazzfest last year and had taken pictures, and
then got them made up, and framed and everything. they're awesome!!!! i was
so excited.

so, that's why my bf rocks. well, other reasons too, but i thought that was a
darn nifty gitfy!
sari

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 18:33:56 -0500
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      "the view" airing time

>for other cities, try   http://www.abc.com/local/index.html and see if
your
>local affiliate has a schedule guide.

another way to get times of shows in your area is to
go to www.tvguide.com. (i think that's the url.)
it's tv guide on-line and will
most likely have the times for everyone's city (or closest
city).

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 19:09:55 -0500
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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subject:      water is wide studio version???

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>date:    tue, 12 aug 1997 09:19:12 -0400
from:    deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
subject: re: indy/chi lilith fairs (long, but worth it....i hope)

at 10:26 pm 8/11/97 -0500, lisa m. schreihart wrote:
>*  water is wide with emmylou and sarah.  wow, what harmony!
>absolutely beautiful a capella segment!  the chicago one
>was a bit better though.  anyway, can someone add insight to
>this song?  our group was wondering just where it came from
>and whose it is.  we thought it is a new song of a&e's which will
>be on the upcoming folk album.  what are we missing here?

it's a traditional song.  first i know of them doing it was on the
"unplugged" with michelle shocked (1/30/90 - see the link on my ig page
for
more info).  they've performed it at many shows over the years, and it
appears on the club r&r promo (7/92).  michelle shocked released the song
as a bonus track on a cd-single several years ago, on which it was called
"waters wide".
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

what i think would be cool is if emmylou and sarah get together with
ig in the studio (and maybe include joan baez, etc.) and record a new
version of water is wide for their upcoming folk album.  ig seem to
include so many
guest artists, but they are all usually just back-up or lesser known
artists.
it would be nice for them to record a song with some big folk artists for
a
change, where they could all add equally to the song.  the harmony would
be awesome; it would turn some heads and open some eyes of people
less familiar with ig's music.  i think everyone at the lfs enjoyed water
is
wide tremendously whether they were ig fans or not, just for the
beautiful
harmony and majesty of it all.  plus, a traditional song on the upcoming
album
might be better received by the general public as an intro to ig and
folk.

lisa

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 20:41:04 -0400
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subject:      south florida some more
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heather

you've been wasting my time this time
you never learned to take
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tori amos
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reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hi everyone,

just some admin notes: please skim through this message even
if you don't read it in detail...

1) well, the list went down again, but it's back now.  thanks,
everyone, for your patience.  there've been some definite
problems with listserv lately.  unfortunately this isn't a
situation that i, at least, can do much about, since it's a
problem with listserv itself, not just a list problem.  maybe
jude can find out more; we'll see.

2) just a reminder for people who have small mailboxes: if
you're going away, or if you're not going to be able to check
your mail for a few days, it's a good idea to set your list
subscription to "nomail" while you're gone.  or if you're going
away for awhile, even to unsubscribe completely.  lately we've
been getting a *lot* of bounces from people whose mailboxes are
full, of whom about 95% were aol users.  (when i say a lot, i
mean a *lot* - the other day i got more than 1mb of bounced mail
from the list.  scary.)  i don't like to do it but yes, if your
mail consistently bounces for a period of 36 hours or so, you'll
be removed from the list until such time as you return and resub
yourself.  (this is keeping in line with the standard setup of
the netspace listserv.)

here are the relevant commands, which should be placed in the
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3) last thing.  apparently the other day i came off as being
annoyed.  i don't think i was but if this is the case then i
apologise.  in fact i feel like a major doof after my goofup
with the spelling of sarah mclachlan's surname.  oh well.  i
*am* a doof so i guess that's justified. :)  but anyway.  i do
try to be polite and to word my messages as to avoid any
misinterpretation but i guess i can't always be successful.  it
should be noted that if someone were trying to pick a fight on
this list, chances are almost 100% that it *wouldn't* be me.
(not intentionally, anyhow, although i have started a few
accidental arguments in my time, i admit.)  i do see it as part
of my role as a list-owner to try and keep things running
smoothly, which, yes, does include attempting to smooth out any
flame wars or potential flame wars on this list.  unfortunately
you can't always avoid stepping on toes with this sort of thing,
but i'm doing my best.  anyway, i hope that clears a few things
up.

that's all i think.  happy happy folks,
sherlyn

ps - deb reiser: won't you and beth say yes?  we love you. :)
pps - tigger: thanks for hitting me over the head yesterday.
the ringing in my ears has (finally) stopped and i can almost
sseeee tthhiinnggss ssttrraaiigghhtt aaggaaiinn.. ::))
ppps - anna hidalgo: are you still out there?

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and the road leads us on, and we sing out this song -
'let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all,
let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all...'"
                                 - karen pernick

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 22:44:41 -0500
reply-to:     therese <tleung@wellesley.edu>
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hey all!
can anyone explain to me why the tickets for
hte are more expensive than the sots tour? i mean,
i understand the need for higher priced tix because
the tour is designed to raise funds for hte, but
are there any other undisclosed, nebulous reasons why??

some of us poor college students won't be able to go..<sigh>

thanks!
therese :)

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 23:05:23 -0400
reply-to:     lori jusko <ljusko@netexp.net>
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question:  i've read two very conflicting stories regarding a break-up of
one of the "girls" in a long-term relationship.  the first one stated that
it was emily, the last one i read which was from an atlanta publication in
march 1997 said it was amy.  anyone who can shed some light to the truth of
the matter, i would greatly appreciate it.

thanks,

lori
ljusko@netexp.net

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 22:22:50 -0500
reply-to:     anne haines <ahaines@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
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first off, my huge-enormous thanks to those of y'all who encouraged me to
take my butt to lilith fair even though i had to go alone and drive 3
hours afterwards, & to those of y'all who reassured me that things would
probably run pretty much on schedule (which they did). i would have
missed out big time if i hadn't gone!

after being gone for 4 days, i'm way behind on all my lists including
this one, so i'm not sure how much has been posted about deer creek. i'll
keep my comments short (who me??)...

i made it to the acoustic stage in time to catch most of kim fox's set
(she's from indiana, sort of tori amos-ish) and to position myself in a
great spot for michelle malone. i was really psyched to hear her, since
her new cd seems to be super-glued to my cd player (and the tape deck in
the car too). a few minutes before she went on, i saw her conferring with
some woman -- "hey, she's cute," i thought, then the light bulb went on --
"oh, duh, that's amy." then a second mike appeared. i could see the set
list & so i knew that "wild horses" was going to be the last song.  yay!!

mm played "green thumb" (which was funny 'cause i'd been listening to that
very song on my way in & hoping she'd play it), "the edge" (she sang the
shit out of this one... wow), and "butter biscuit" (whee!) and then amy &
emily both came on stage. the funny thing was that nobody reacted at *all*
when they got on stage, for a good minute or so -- somebody else up front
gave me this look like "huh? nobody's screaming?" and i shrugged, and
*then* people realized who was on stage and started shrieking and stuff.
a&e didn't interact much with the crowd, and at first i thought they were
being kinda rude, but then i thought that they were probably just trying
to keep from stealing mm's spotlight -- it was *her* set, after all.

anyway, amy was wearing a st:tng t-shirt, and emily was doing some serious
gum-chomping; amy played mandolin, emily played acoustic, & mm played
electric; amy & mm sang the verses & all three sang the choruses, and
"wild horses" was one of the best things i have *ever* heard in my life.
gorgeous harmonies, gorgeous guitar solos, and you kinda can't beat
standing 3-4 feet away from them. i think i have permanent goosebumps.

when they left the stage, i turned around to find that where there'd been
a few dozen people, there were now *hundreds*. i thought about fighting my
way over to the borders booth to say hello to mm and maybe get her to sign
something, but decided it was way too crowded. luckily, mm walked right by
me on her way through the crowd, so i said, "hey michelle, your new cd is
fucking awesome." (ok, so i'm not overly articulate under pressure. *heh*)
she grinned and said "all right!" and gave me a high-five. :-)

the ig's set later that night was really good -- i was glad they played
"sys" and "scooter boys," "vw" sounded nice, and "the water is wide" with
sarah & emmylou harris was just gorgeous (more permanent goosebumps). amy
had a big ol' grin on her face during "ctf", which was great to see. they
didn't chat much (although i noticed that emily said "thank you" at least
as often as she said "thanks y'all" -- which struck me as funny for some
reason), but it *was* a very short set, and i'd rather hear them play
than chat anyhow.

somebody's probably already posted the set list, but here it is anyhow:

shed your skin [mm on guitar; amy changed "in you" to "for you"]
galileo
shame on you/brown eyed girl [this *rocked*]
get out the map [amy on mandolin, emily on banjo, josh on guitar]
chickenman
virginia woolf
scooter boys [mm on shaker/vocals -- this rocked *big time*]
the water is wide [with sarah mclachlan & emmylou harris]
closer to fine [with everyone, jerry out from behind the drums to show
off his skirt]

anyway, i'd babble some more 'cause it was such a great day, but this
post is plenty long enough. thanks again to those who encouraged me to
go. (oh, and i didn't run into anybody i didn't want to run into. sitting
alone had its bummer moments but mostly it was ok.)

-anne in indiana

"we need new words/ for what this is, this hunger entering our/ loneliness
  like birds, stunning our eyes into rays/ of hope. we need the flutter that
  can save/ us, something that will swirl across the face/ of what we have
          become and bring us grace."  --lucille clifton, "blake"
*** anne haines ** ahaines@indiana.edu ** http://php.indiana.edu/~ahaines ***

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date:         tue, 12 aug 1997 23:21:11 -0400
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i think they may either sell through maine record stores or through the
strawberries chain - i doubt ticketbastard...i will be in lewiston this
upcoming weekend and will get this scoop on tixs.
mike r.

ps - joan morrison -- please e-mail me!!!!

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subject:      shame on you chords (?)

hey list type people...
i was trying to figure out the chords to shame on you the other day, and i
came up with just a, d, and e.  i have no idea what i'm doing.  i don't even
know if the 3rd chord is really e.  (a=002220, d=000232, e=022100, i think
that's what i've been playing.)  is this right for just the basic chords?  i
started out playing it capoed on the 2nd fret, cause i was just playing
around and didn't take it off, but it sounds ok with no capo, also.  somebody
tell me if i'm right or not.
thanks,
jen

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from:         dianne connell <tuesdays_child@juno.com>
subject:      nigc - dar williams in clifton park, ny

hi all!

i know there a lot of dar williams fans here so i thought i'd let you
know that she will be playing at park west in clifton park on aug. 23rd
along w/ lea andreone and kim richy.  i'm thinking about going, but after
buying tix for ig at the palace, i might not be able to afford it.  we'll
see.  write me if you think you might go.


tuesday's child

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beaver and warm murder and the eye spasms)

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reply-to:     mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
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okay, okay... this list isn't *supposed* to gossip about their personal
lives... but i've heard & read a lot of inaccuracies about this-- not
just here, but lots of places. so... amy & cooper seay broke up a long
time ago-- around new year's 1996. (according to people very close to
cooper.)
to list purists... my apologies.
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ok, my version of the blue food boot offer is now closed, too.

-a

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ok, i'll be nice and offer up my blue food boot to whomever wasn't able to
get it. let me know if ya want it...

jendy

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i never cease to be amazed at the overall kindness of most ig fans. we're a
pretty darn caring bunch. thank you to the listees who picked up the boot
offer where i left off. i apologize again for having to close my offer, but
it's wonderful to see others offering copies of the boot to newbies as well.
i know it's been sort of a tacit tradition for list members to assist
newbies in starting boot collections, and it really feels good to see
everybody giving back to the ol' list community. :) major warm fuzzies gang.

:) abigail

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no one seems to know. although, in our family, i was the only one who would
drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
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subject:      crazy game in concert

i wrote:

<< then
emily made an excuse that they already played crazy game
this year a few times.  when did i miss this????  can anyone
back them up?  >>

then pam wrote:

>i saw them 6-28-97 in dallas (only my 6th time ever!  you roadtrippers
make
>me so jealous...) and they did indeed play "crazy game."  it looked like
it
>was a spur of the moment decision - amy said something about a change in
the
>set list, there was a little confusion about what guitars were coming
out
>(amy didn't play, just sang), and then, voila!, they did a beautiful cg!
so
>emily was telling you the truth.  they have done it recently, at least
once!

i respond:

oooooh, they should have checked with me first!  :)  the thing is that
amy told us, from the stage after ctf on 6-14-97 at pine knob, that
they'd
play that "next time".  next time would've been 6-23-97 in new orleans.
then there was 6-25 through 6-28, all texas shows.  how'd they expect
me to be in texas when they last saw me in michigan????  hehehehe  ;-)
hey, at least i can say that i gave them the idea for it.  that i know
for sure.
at least i can dream i did.  i requested it three shows in a row, for
cryin' out
loud, and asked amy face to face at the first one.  so anyone who enjoyed

it can thank me.  :)  *****now, does anyone have the boot of the 6-28-97
dallas
show?******  then i can hear a&e play my request.  'cause they did do it
for
me, you know.  :o  better late than never.

then deb said:

>they also played crazy game at the july 6th berkeley show and the july
12th
>seattle show.

i cry out in agony:

so, there have there been more
crazy games being played behind my back since 6-14-97?????

here's my request:  i am now looking for the boots of:

- dallas 6/28/97
- berkeley 7/6/97
- seattle 7/12/97

i can trade boots for them.  i also have two extra calendars and some
sots promo stickers to trade.   i also have pretty decent concert pics
from
fraze and pine knob.  can anyone help?

lisa

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let me know if you have any extra.

thanks,


monique

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subject:      spontaneous praise (or, the "f" word seems to work.)

anne haines said....

>mm walked right by
>me on her way through the crowd, so i said, "hey michelle, your new cd
is
>fucking awesome." (ok, so i'm not overly articulate under pressure.
*heh*)
>she grinned and said "all right!" and gave me a high-five. :-)

lol!  you go, girl!  just like ig, i think mm likes spontaneity and
honesty more
than cheesy-ness/mushiness when you talk to her.  you seemed to have
gotten her
attention, that's for sure.  i wish i could say "hey amy, you have
fucking
beautiful eyes!" (or something to that effect), but since i've been
dreaming
this for quite a while, i guess it would no longer come off as
spontaneous.  :)
it would probably come out as "oh, wondrous goddess of the musical world,

your eyes shine like pools of moonlight on a breezy, perfect summer
night..... ohhh,
should i die tonight, i shall have been given all the grace in the world
through
the mere resting of your divine eyes on my unworthy existence...."
hehehehehehehehe  ;-)  then she'd call security to kick me out.  (nope, i

am not a poet.....as if that was difficult to figure out.)  oh, i think
it's time to
hit the hay.  oops....look at the time!  yikes.

lisa

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well, it sounds like a lot of you want a copy of this boot.  i'd be
pleased to dub for those who weren't able to respond quick enough to
abigail.

anna

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i have been calling everyone about these tickest.  strawberries is not
selling them.  ticketmaster is not.  i do have several numbers for
facilities at bates.
grey gym--786-7252.
some guy names peter taylor (who was suggested by student services): 786-6305.
i have left a few messages with him, and have not yet received a return call.
good luck.  if anyone gets info--please let me know right away.
thanks, deb

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i called yesterday and the womyn at student services said tickets
wouldnt be available till the last week in august...when students get
back.
makes sense, or she could have just been sick of all the calls, she said
they,ve been getting over 50 calls a day about the show!!


~lyn

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at 10:10 am 8/12/97 -0400, mel wrote:
>on tue 12 aug 09:00 -0400 deb wrote-
>>>malone has recently appeared on lilith fair dates, as well as
>>>opening slots for the indigo girls and patti smith.
>
>>i'd say velvel is taking consderable liberties in their wording
>>of that statement, given that mm merely opened for ig on one night
>>that patti smith also opened for them...

>michelle malone has been opening for ig for years, as i think many of us
>know. i've been fortunate enough to see many. i think velvel's liberty
>was saying that she opens for patti smith

yes, that's what i meant...

>-- which actually sounds like a
>really good club bill. someone should suggest it to their reps.

mm opened for patti smith and ig at red rocks last month.  that's what i
meant by "mm merely opened for ig on one night that patti smith also opened
for them."

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i think you have it right, except i play a d9 (000230) instead of a
d-major.  that is actually courtesy of another list member--i can't claim
to have come up with it myself--but i think  it gives a fuller sound from
a single guitar.  i have no idea whether it is actually what a plays.

---------- forwarded message ----------
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subject: shame on you chords (?)

i was trying to figure out the chords to shame on you the other day, and i
came up with just a, d, and e.  i have no idea what i'm doing.  i don't even
know if the 3rd chord is really e.  (a=002220, d=000232, e=022100, i think
that's what i've been playing.)  is this right for just the basic chords?  i

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at 11:05 pm 8/12/97 -0400, lori jusko wrote:
>question:  i've read two very conflicting stories regarding a break-up of
>one of the "girls" in a long-term relationship.  the first one stated that
>it was emily, the last one i read which was from an atlanta publication in
>march 1997 said it was amy.  anyone who can shed some light to the truth of
>the matter, i would greatly appreciate it.

this is from the 5/13/97 advocate:  "ray's just recovering from the painful
dissolution of an eight-year relationship, while saliers is happily
ensconced in a "great" 2-1/2 year relationship."   this echos every other
article i've read.  i have never seen any article referencing a breakup of
emily's.

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mornin' all!

i was just checking out the lf site before i get going with some "real" work
and read how sheryl crow came out on stage last night with her accordian for
a tried to be true jam. if any listees were there, please post how that went!

deb

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good morning!
        i just called the mullins ctr and tix for the 9/12 show go on sale
at 10am tomorrow (8/14).  they can be purchased through ticketmaster or
directly at the mullins ctr box office. tix will be ridiculously
expensive:
55.50
35.50 (probably best bet - they'll be good-decent seats)
23.50
19.50 (amy and emily will appear ant-sized)

good luck!
jennie

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just called someone @ bates -- most likely going to be through local stores
in maine, record stores that is.. no idea on prices yet, but my educated
guess is no more than $30. the show is general admission. if they sell
where they usually do, meaning a store where my friends work -- tixs should
not be a problem -- but do not email me until i confirm they are onsale at a
place i can get to. i am more than happy to pick up tixs, i just remember
how i could not live up to colby promises since it went through ticket
bastard

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hi,

i just received a 1st gen. videotape of the ppv concert (thanks trant).
for all of you who are still looking for a pal copy of this concert, please
e-mail me at rockrose@worldaccess.nl.

cj
far away in holland.

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maybe someone already posted this...but there's a great article with the
girls, and it has their version of chords and sheet music for
dgtgag....it's in this month's edition.

i had no money with me, so i didn't buy it, but i'm a' goin back!!!


take care all,


larissa

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my brother just forwarded this to me, don't know if its old news or not,
but i thought i would pass it along.


==rockontv - thursday. august 14th, 1997
                               all broadcast times are eastern
                 click on artist name to view discography, sample audio clips,
                 and purchase music.
                 11:00 am
                        abc
                              the view
                                   music group the indigo girls
                                   perform "get out the map"

--mike

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department of spatial information engineering
university of maine
master's candidate
http://www.spatial.maine.edu/studentbios/paluzzi/mike.html
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just in case you want to know..tonight's ellen re-run is when
ellen goes to rock and roll camp.  ig are briefly mentioned in
the episode.

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from an interview at http://monsterbit.com/stammer/may/story2.html

...first topic of discussion: her reaction to finding bootlegs of some
early, early indigo girls recordings in an independent atlanta record
store which has been a big supporter of the duo over the years:


     amy ray: "there is some stuff going on right now that i have a
problem with. i'm not gonna name any stores, but when people take
recordings that have already been done, and they bootleg them, and
they reissue them, and make money off them, that pisses me off. like,
i saw a bootleg of our ep! they don't own the license for that! epic
owns the license for that, and they own it for a reason, because we
wanted them to release it as b-sides, and then maybe later on down the
road as part of a box set. it's like, if i wanted the thing released,
we would release it! you don't take something and steal it from
somebody like that, and make a lot of money off it. and it's wrong.
it's wrong, period. there's no question to me about it."

     stomp and stammer: on the other hand, as a fan of other
musicians, i'm sure you understand that desire to 'have everything.'

     "people bootleg our shows all the time. i have no problem with
that. we expect it to happen, and it's not an issue for me... [but]
you know, i've seen some bootlegs recently in atlanta that are
reissues of tapes i made when i was in high school and college, of me
and emily, that i made and gave to people as gifts. and i consider
those my property. i consider them to be things that i created myself,
that are not for people to sell. and when i see someone doing that, a
store, you know, i'll withdraw my support for them. because it's
wrong. especially if they don't ask me."
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subject:      re: the view (no view of ig yet)

>>from:  hudsonvu@aol.com[smtp:hudsonvu@aol.com]
>>sent:  tuesday, august 12, 1997 2:30 pm
>>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>>subject:       the view
>>
>>i tried to get a complete listing of stations carrying the view and air
times
>>to post to the list, but it's 15 pages long!  generally speaking, though,
>>it's on live from 11am to noon on the east coast, 10 to 11am central, 9 to
>>10am mountain, and 10 to 11 (taped) on the west coast.  if you can't find a
>>listing for it locally, you can try calling the abc affiliate relations
>>department in ny at (212) 456-6306 and they'll let you know what the deal
is
>>in your area.
>>
>>maureen

i don't want to prematurely disappoint all you people taping the 2 am
broadcasts, but i watched this whole show this morning (wmur-tv, channel 9,
manchester nh at 11 am) and the girls were nowhere to be found.  no mention
of any of tomorrow's guests except for sly stallone.  i'm going to tape it
tomorrow anyway now that i know it's definitely on in my area ... we'll all
have to stay tuned and hold out hope that the girls pop up sooner or later.

(show format is 4 women yakking and hosting different segments: meredith
vieira, star jones, joy behar, and debbie somebody-or-other.  they represent
different ages and lifestyles and dish about current news, talk with celebs
(today's guest: ray liotta), medical stuff, have a "question of the day"
(today: what would you choose as your last meal?  not exactly intellectual
...), and there's a live audience.  debbie is their resident 20-something
gen-xer, so i figured maybe she'd do the girls' segment as they seem to look
to her for the young and trendy stuff.  dare i say that with all the top 40
airplay this summer that ig might be considered trendy? ;-))

feeling disappointed with the network schedulers,

heidi

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first, let me say that deb reiser is my hero.

second, i just got off the phone with my local ticketbastard and have
confirmed the following:

tix on sale for jacksonville, fl (9/25) at 10 a.m. this coming friday.
$30 and $25, ten ticket limit.

tix on sale for west palm beach, fl (9/27) at 10 a.m. this coming
saturday. tickets $25.75, ten ticket limit.

good luck folks - see ya at the shows...

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ok, so here is how pittsburgh lilith went for this lister....

we got there about 1:15 and sat in line waiting for the gates to open and
watched people tailgate, wander, socialize.  one thing i immediately
noticed was that a lot of people there were dressed in normal garb, except
indigo fans.  all of us had at least one piece of ig clothing on
somewhere.  i didn't see a lot of sarah or jewel or sheryl merchandise
being worn.  i though that was kind of interesting....

anyhow, it was really hot.  we spent the first part of the day (before
patty griffin took village stage at 3:30) wandering, signing up for
pro-choice, rainn, lifebeat, and other things, and shopping for cd's,
reading up on rock for a cure.  i was at the rock for a cure table when i
met the guy who is a tech for the ig.  he has blonde hair and his name
evades me right now, but i immediately recognized him and said, "didn't
you play harmonica for the ig at blossom music centre in oohio in june?"
and he said, "yup. that was me."  i told him i found chickenman to be a
great set, one of the highlights, becauseit looked like they were having a
lot of fun, and he agreed.  i told him it was nice to meet him, shook his
hand, went on my merry way.

patty griffin took the stage, and rocked.  she is phenomenal!!!  if you
don't have her cd, do yourself a huge favor and get it.  after her set, i
went up, got an autograph for me and my cyber-mom (!) and spoke to her
about how one of her songs in particular really helped me through a tough
time, and she warmly shook my hand and told me how great it was to speak
with me, and how she was happy to be able to be there in a small way when
things were tough.  she was the warmest and most sincere person.  she was
great!!!!!

so, we shopped a little more, sweated heavily, and i was dancing on cloud
nine from meeting patty and being so happy!!!  we finally went over, sat
down and listened to the various village and 2nd stage performers from the
main pavillion, and chilled out a little.  ken (my best friend) said he
was going to run to the john and grab a beer, and he would be right back.
so i am sitting there alone, reading, when all of a sudden, he comes up
behind me and says inthis really low voice, "karrie, amy ray is over there
watching liz berlin.  come on!!"

ok, heart attack city!!!  ken said i was like a marine who is trained to
re-act immediately for war.  i grabbed all of our stuff and was on my feet
and trekking across the paviliion within 30 seconds.  he kept saying the
whole time "i hope she is still there...oh my god, kar!!  i am so excited
for you."  i meanwhile, keep repeating "ohmygod!!! ohmygod!!! amy ray!!!!"
inside my head while trying to remain focused as i mill through people.  i
was scanning the crowd, looking for her, and i finally managed to squeak
out "where is she?  i can't see her?"  ken goes "alright!!  she's still
here.  see?  right there?"

there she was.  hanging out, blending into the crowd around her.  i would
have totally missed her had i been walking by.  i hannded ken my stuff,
and walked up to her, and said "hi amy."  she turned and looked at me,
smiled and said "hey there."

ok, so internally i was having heart failure.  but i was so collected,  i
said, "could i maybe bug you for an autograph?" and she smiled and said,
"i'm sorry, but i don't do autographs when i am out listening to other
performers.  i am working for the label (i am assuming maybe for
daemon?!?)" and i said "hey that is totally cool.  no problem.  sorry to
have bothered you." and she said, "no problem.  i'll catch you some other
time and you can get one, ok?" and i was like, "sure."  she said "later."
and turned back to watching the performance.

now, i am still not functioning properly.  but that is what i call a
banner day!!  :)  she was so cool and down to earth.  she watched for
about 10 minutes more, then one minute she was there, the next, she was
gone.  it was cool.

on to the shows.  this amy ray incident happened right before shawn
colvin, so i was too spaced out to remember her very well....sarah was
awesome except for the obnoxious people who stood up for her most popular
song but chatted through the rest of her performance.  i found that rude
to not only the people around them, but also to sarah.  jewel was
incredible.  this fantastic thunderstorm erupted in the middle of foolish
game, which made her outsing the thunder (that chick has lungs!!!!!!) and
the passion of that song combined with rainy mist blowing over everyone
made it almost seem surreal.  sheryl crow started late because the powere
went out and they had to check all the equipment, but she rocked.  she
broke a string, which i thought was cool, and then the ig came out.

i don't know the set list.  i can give it a feeble attempt.

shed your skin
get out the map
tried to be true with sheryl crow
shame on you/brown eyed girl
power of two
galileo
chickenman
the water is wide with sarah and jewel
(by the way,i cried at this....someone needs to find me this on a boot!!)
closer to fine with everybody.

if i missed any, i am sorry.  i was too busy singing dancing and losing my
mind to keep track.

it was so incredible!  the energy, including everyone.  the rain!  it was
great.  amy segueing from soy into brown eyed girl was the highlight of
the show, imho.  everyone sang along, people went crazy.  it was kind of
interesting to be a show where not everyone was an ig fan though.  i am
used to people going crazy, singing along, and everyone loving it.  there
were some people who were bored...it was different.

well, off to relive the moment with my mom on the phone!

peace, love and ig-

karrie

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if only everyone could who goes to a lf could feel like karrie bowen
felt after pitt... that's what's supposed to happen... thanks for
posting karrie... i really needed a smile today... not just one of these
:-)

  above--re:wed 13 aug 14:48 -0400
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>date:  wed, 13 aug 1997 12:56:22 -0400
>from:  "heidi a. duncanson" <heidid4660@aol.com>
>subject:      re: the view (no view of ig yet)
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>i don't want to prematurely disappoint all you people taping the 2 am
>broadcasts, but i watched this whole show this morning (wmur-tv,
channel 9,
>manchester nh at 11 am) and the girls were nowhere to be found.

oh *good*. i set the vcr to tape it this morning (san diego, ca at 10
am) but when i got home i found that the machine had spit the tape out.
(a domestic dispute of some sort, i imagine<g>) i was sooo bummed till i
saw your note. thanks heidi.:~)

gesi

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>>i don't want to prematurely disappoint all you people taping the 2 am
>>broadcasts, but i watched this whole show this morning (wmur-tv,
>channel 9,
>>manchester nh at 11 am) and the girls were nowhere to be found.
>
>oh *good*. i set the vcr to tape it this morning (san diego, ca at 10
>am) but when i got home i found that the machine had spit the tape out.
>(a domestic dispute of some sort, i imagine<g>) i was sooo bummed till i
>saw your note. thanks heidi.:~)

why are you all taping the show today? they aren't supposed to be on until
the 14th (thursday). and seeing as the show is live, i would think any 2am
broadcasts of the show wouldn't occur until 2am on the 15th.

just trying to calm the masses...

deb

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i know i owe one person a tape im getting it
im waiting for it to be
recorded  ive been real busy  hopefully ill have it tomorrow please write
me and remind me so i make sure i send it ot hte right person and no
tigger its not you<g>

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subject:      lf cd selections

the lf cd being sold at 'nine west' is a compliation to benefit
breast cancer awareness and prevention. the store is the official
wellness sponsor for lf proceeds to benefit the strang cornell breast center.
here's the list of the songs:

fiona apple - pale september
tracy bonham - the one
the cardigans - step on me
mary chapin carpenter - sudden gift of fate
tracy chapman - tell it like it is
paula cole - watch the woman's hands
shawn colvin - the facts about jimmy (live)
sheryl crow - i shall believe
emmylou harris - shame on you
indigo girls - all my tears
jewel - angels stand by
lisa loeb - rose colored times
sarah mclachlan - full of grace
joan osborn - can't take my eyes off you
suzanne vega - world before columbus (live)

when i opened it up and looked at the liner note insert, then i realized
the printer made a mistake and got elh & ig selections switched.

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does anyone know if this song is the one that julie miller sings?

anna

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out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." --paula poundstone
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check out the url:

        http://www.theonion.com/onion3202/index3202.html

very usa today....

                        -- chris

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subject:      power finger and butter biscuit

amy ray and michelle malone did these two duets on a boot i have. can
anyone tell me anything about them? i assume they're covers...

-liz-

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at 05:07 pm 8/13/97 -0400, chris wrote:
>check out the url:
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>        http://www.theonion.com/onion3202/index3202.html
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>very usa today....

ah, the onion. only the best comes out of the state of wisconsin, hey chris? :)

deb

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hey guys,

i just got back from a 3-week vacation and had myself set on "no-mail" for
that time, so forgive me if this has been mentioned/asked before, but here
goes:

     there's a rumor that the ig's are a possible addition to toad the
wet sprocket's annual benefit concert for the santa barbara rape crisis
center...  has anyone here heard anything about this?  the concert is on
the saturday of labor day weekend (coming right up!) and toad's management
has only named sb bands toad and summercamp as officially being part of
the line-up.  they named both indigo girls and sarah mc-however-you-spell-
her-name as folks who were also being considered...  even if not, it's a
great cause, so go support it if you're in the area!  :)

thanks!
deb the indigeek

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ticketmaster said that coral sky goes on sale on sat at 10am!!!!
$25.75 + fees.  i don't know if it's only one price ticket, but that's all
they said.  and i think jacksonville goes on sale on fri, but i didn't pay
too much attention cause i can't make that show.  ticketmaster's #
305-358-5885.

anyone wanna meet up for the coral sky show?? cause i'll be travelling
from way far away and the only person i know in fl is my grandmother and
at 93 she's not much for concert-going anymore.  and any beach info would
also be appreciated.

thanks,
donna

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i saw this on the lf gen newsgrp: dated thu aug 7:

lilith leaves a good taste    [ <bg> ]

  toronto- lilith fair has been taking north america by storm. and one
of its performers wants more. singer-songwriter mary-chapin carpenter -
who's done five lilith fair dates so far - plays toronto's molson
amphitheatre on friday [aug 8] with the rankin family, and she'd like to
be at the same venue next week [aug 15&16] when lilith hits toronto, and
later this month in vancouver.
  "i'm not given to overstatement - truly. it was one of the most
wonderful experiences of my entire career," says carpenter. "i've toured
for 11 years, and it was amazing. we were crying we had to leave. if
they wanted us for more, they could have had us. i was ready to cancel
everything."
  instead, carpenter's with cape beton's rankins while her pal shawn
colvin is in the lilith lineup. ...

                        -canadian press (08/07/97)
        [no by-line]
[copied from a copy copied without permission.] <g>

i looked up her tour sched in 3 different places-- and she has no
concert dates after aug 16-- no reason she can't go to vancouver - or
any other lf... hmmm...

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on 08/13/97, "liz (bear of very little brain)"  said:

jeez, what a ridiculous name. *pf*.....geek.

>amy ray and michelle malone did these two duets on a boot i have. can
>anyone tell me anything about them? i assume they're covers...

i take that back. butter biscuit was a mm solo. power finger (hehe..i like
the title) was the duet with miss ray.

-liz-

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you'd think e would be used to it by now... clearly the woman doesn't
like having her pic taken with flash... i did it a few years ago when e
& sue were standing at the side of the stage together (clearly visible
to stage left audience)... then later when she was on stage (but not
during songs)... i got a lot of those "if looks could kill" looks that
evening... the photos turned out lousy... the evil eye worked.  ;o(

i mention this because i checked out the lf page... & there's e givin'
that evil eye look to the photog...  <ouch>
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subject:      coral sky

as promised, i called ticketmaster and learned that ig will appear sept. 27
at 8:00 pm (coral sky). tickets go on sale this saturday at 10:00 am. you can
call 966-3309, or save lots of money by purchasing at your nearest outlet.
e-mail me if you need addresses of local ticketmaster outlets.

see ya there!!!

annie

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hey, i haven't made many tapes lately and i kinda miss it ... if more people
want blue food, let me know.  i can handle about 10 requests, too.  sorry,
can't trade right now because i'm (perpetually) low on cash...just sase &
blank and i'll turn 'em 'round asap.

- lorie

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subject:      palm beach show

if this has already been posted, i apologize -- i'm a digest type.

tickets for the coral sky show on sept 27 go on sale 10 am this  saturday
(the 16th) . prices are 25.75 plus service charges. coral sky's web page says
there will be no festival seating for this show, only reserved seats.

good luck all you south florida types.

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hey all--

i looked this up in my tv guide at home (sometimes i still rely on the old
method of paper sources, rather than computer ones :) ) and found it at 10
am cst on 8/14.  and for guests it said:
"indigo girls."
so that seems like confirmation...set your vcrs!

cheryl
cheryl@discover-net.net

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subject:      (nigc) mm grace lyrics?

yahoo!!! guess who just figured out the chords to grace by michelle
malone? = ) if anyone could forward me the lyrics, that would be great. i
can't find 'em anywhere on the web, and i know i'm hearing mr limes when i
sing it.

thanks in advance...

-liz-

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the following post today caught my attention ...

re: " a banner day" hunting down amy ray "like a marine who is trained to
re-act immediately for war" --

>there she was.  hanging out, blending into the crowd around her.  i would
>have totally missed her had i been walking by.  i hannded ken my stuff,
>and walked up to her, and said "hi amy."  she turned and looked at me,
>smiled and said "hey there."
>
>ok, so internally i was having heart failure.  but i was so collected,  i
>said, "could i maybe bug you for an autograph?" and she smiled and said,
>"i'm sorry, but i don't do autographs when i am out listening to other
>performers.  i am working for the label (i am assuming maybe for
>daemon?!?)" and i said "hey that is totally cool.  no problem.  sorry to
>have bothered you." and she said, "no problem.  i'll catch you some other
>time and you can get one, ok?" and i was like, "sure."  she said "later."
>and turned back to watching the performance.
>
>now, i am still not functioning properly.  but that is what i call a
>banner day!!  :)  she was so cool and down to earth.  she watched for
>about 10 minutes more, then one minute she was there, the next, she was
>gone.  it was cool.

i was offended that someone would hunt down amy ray as if she were the enemy
in some war game.  (you were lucky to get such a polite response, btw.)  the
mindset of someone who would do that botherered me a lot...<smile> until i
recalled the quote i've been using as a signature ... and then it made a
little more sense ... but, please, we're all entitled to a life...offstage
ought to be off limits...isn't that common courtesy?

my point is that i understand how without thinking someone would be rude
like that, but i'm saying quite clearly that i think it is rude.  but don't
get all mad at me, it's nothing personal against the person who posted.  i
hope i'm not misunderstood here...

sure that i will be,
lorie

ps the subject line is just a little humor....don't be paranoid ;)

"i would never startle the fawn with my eager affection,
overstay my welcome, die for attention
but my heart might"
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subject:      re: on sales

<< tix on sale for jacksonville, fl (9/25) at 10 a.m. this coming friday.
$30 and $25, ten ticket limit.

tix on sale for west palm beach, fl (9/27) at 10 a.m. this coming
saturday. tickets $25.75, ten ticket limit.
  >>

wow, am i jealous!  we upstate new yorkers have to pay $50 or more for our
tickets.

cheers!
kathleen   (who's very poor now 'cause she bought tix to syracuse *and*
buffalo, but is also very excited that she'll be seeing the girls from the
2nd row and 3rd row respectively.  yahoo!)   kef1330@aol.com

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subject:      eastern pleasures??(nigc)

hey dirty birds....thanks to everyone who has been writing lilith reviews. i am
* so*  stoked for the montreal show i could just about manger mes pieds!

anyhoo, does *anyone* have any sort of michelle malone boot with eatsern
pleasures on it? if so, please e me, i must trade my first child for it.

thanky!

sus

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jeez, i tuned in to that show today, and it is really stupid.  i'm glad i'm
taping it so i can fast forward to the girls!  i predict this show is not
going to last beyond its first season.  though i would love to see the girls
get interviewed, i almost hope that that will not be part of this show
tomorrow.  i wouldn't want amy and emily to have to endure the idiotic
questions that ray liotta did today.  although, babs walters wasn't there
today and she will be tomorrow so maybe it will be better.  one can hope....

cheers!
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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hi,

i just put a picture of wendell, the extraordinary list member, on my
web page. if you remember, wendell was fortunate enough to play ctf with
ig at the berkeley concert. i've also added a lot of new links.

http://www.jps.net/loperez/all.htm

also, the june issue of pulse! is online. i'll give the url even though
the tower guy told me i shouldn't.
http://www.towerrecords.com/pulse/97/june/index.html

indigo wishes,
leticia
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sorry for wasting bandwidth folks...

just wanted to let anyone who's trying to reach me know that my
email server has been down!

thanks,
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could someone please let me know when tix go on sale for the west palm
beach show and how much they cost? i don't think i'm clear on it yet.

oh, i also heard ig are going to be on a new show called "the view" on
8/14. just thought i'd let you know.

deb

(just big time kidding but wondering if folks actually _read_ this list)

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sherlyn and greg: yes :)

pss
lisa s: sorry, i'm taken.

psss
amy m: you made me blush.

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called marist college (914) 575-3000, and found out tickets can be sent
if you send a self-addressed stamped envelope to the college(290 north
road, poughkeepsie ny 12601-1387). send a check for $20.00 and write
license # on it to bob lynch-college activity office. be forewarned
that students at the college get first dibs on seats, although was told
all seats are great as its a small hall.
anyone know if there will be a stop in little ole rhode island? we have
colleges too!

lisa

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what's the view, and since when are the indigo girls gonna be in florida??
i live here and haven't heard a damn thing about it. oh and another
question, does anyone have a boot called "blue food?" i heard it's pretty
good. oh and is amy the one with the red hair or is that emily? and does
anyone know if michelle malone is any good? someone told me she's friends
with the indigo girls. just thought i'd check.

jendy (kidding big time)

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did anyone else notice the michelle malone ad in spin magazine, the one
with ani difranco on the cover?  i was shocked to see an ad for her in
such a big mag.  but the cooler part of it was that the little review
quote on the ad was said by emily!  if i get overzealous later on, i
might just type it up.
    peace,
        leah

who is totally bummed that after having lilith tickets in my hand since
may for the milwaukee show, i can't go because of volleyball tryouts,
one freaking day of the year and it has to be that one!!!!! ahhhhh!!!
bitter, party of one...

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ok, so i just read a post from lorie about "hunting down amy.."

i think you need to go back and re-read what my post said.  my best friend
thought that i resembled a marine trained to re-act to war.  i was sitting
there one moment, and when he told me amy was over there, he said i
re-acted that quickly.

i am not a psycho fan.  however, how many opportunites can one get to see
amy ray in the flesh, approach her, and maybe even speak with her.  had
she looked unapproachable, i would never have bothered her.  i was happy
enough to just stand three feet from her and enjoy the liz berlin set.
had i oofended her, or "been rude" as you said, i am sure amy would have
had no problem telling me so.  she was gracious, kind and actually
apologetic in a way when she didn't even need to be.

i don't sit around staring at pictures of her everyday, wishing she was
mine, admiring her beauty, doing all that stuff.  i find no need to do
that.  amy is one of the few people i have the upmost respect for.  i
respect her privacy, her message, her talent.  i have admired her and
respected her for almost 10 years now, based on the words of hope and
inspiration she gives us all. i agree with many of her policitcal beliefs
(not all, but most of them) and try to do my part on this earth because i
believe that my life is part of a global life, to quote emily.  i resent
the fact that someone thought i was rude, presumptuous or anything else
because i approached her and asked her if i could maybe have an autograph.
even though she said no, the fact that she looked at me, smiled and was
still as down to earth as i imagined was enough for me.  i don't need an
autograph or a picture with her or to sit backstage and rap with her.  i
carry her words with me at all times....

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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hi y'all! flipping through the paper yesterday morning and low and behold on
the front page of the entertainment section is a full page article on ig! ;)
so....here it goes... sorry for any typos

side note... the photo in the paper is of emily and amy looking left to
right...the photo caption read indigo girls... amy ray, left, and emily
saliers  i'd have to say big oops!!


the toronto sun, wednesday, augst 13, 1997.

"duo compose, sing, play and produce on their new album, shaming of the sun"

"what a way to indigo, girls!"

inidigo girls emily saliers and amy ray can take full credit for making what
is, without question, one of the strongest albums of 1997.

it apparently wasn't enough composing, singing, harmonizing and playing
acoustic guitar and various other instruments on the gloriously-dense and
musically-advernturous shaming of the sun.  the grammy award-winning
folk-rock duo also took over producing after initially working with peter
collins, who shepherded their previous two records.

"we ended up taking the project on from then on, just me and amy and dave
leonard, who was engineering the record at the time," says saliers, prior to
her friday and saturday night appearances at sarah mclachlan's lilith fair
at the molson amphitheatre.

the guest list on shaming, the girls' sixth full length ep, included country
renegade steve earl and violinist lisa german.  previous albums have
included appearances by everyone from r.e.m.'s michael stip to queensryche
to alice cooper.

"there's a lot of stuff on this record," admits saliers, 34.  "we got
excited in the studio.  it was much more experimental.  working with loops,
like on sthed your skin.  and ulali, the native american women's band,
backed us up on three songs.  they have a lot to do with the way it sounds
too.  their spirit just infused the whole thing."

certainly shaming of the sun is the indigo girls' most commercially
successful release.

after debuting at no. 7 on the billboard 200, it has steadily sole more than
500,000 copies in three months.

"that's the best debut," says saliers.  "what usually happens for us is our
records do really well at first because all our hard-core fans go out and
buy it right away, and then it kind of tapers off after tahta.  and each one
sells a  little bit more than the one before."

which is not to say the girls, childhood friends who originally begain
playing music together in high school in suburban atlanta before officially
becoming the indigo girls in 1980, are suddenly drawing massive crowds
everywhere they go.

"it just depends on the city," says saliers.  "like in detroit or boston or
new york we can sell 15,000 tickets, but in texas we barely sell 3,000.  i
feel fortunate that we're able to maintain our exposure and hold on to our
fans because we love what we do so much and we continue to be able to do it.
and this almum -- we felt free to experiment -- and still our fans are witwh
us."

saliers also feels fortunate to be part of lilith, particularly given the
girls' well-known feminist leanings.

"i think it's great.  there's a lot of these other festival tours on the
road and they don't inclued very many women.  i think it's important for
women artists to get as much exposure as male artists and i also think it's
going to be fun.  it's a great lineup and amy and i really want to sing with
everybody, kind of turn it into a hootenanny if we can.  amy and i are all
about singing with other people."

the only real criticism of lilith, the most successful touring musical
festival of the summer, has been its overwhelming emphasis on folk.

of toronto's mainstage line-up -- which includes mclachlan, jewel and shawn
colvin -- indigo girls and meredith brooks are the more rock-oriented acts.

"i think it would have been nice to have some of the riot grrrl bands and
more black music, just a wider diversity.  but as i understand it, sarah
invited bands from different walks of life and they just weren't all able to
do it," says saliers.  "it's so easy to criticize anything.  i think this is
a great tour, the festival she's put together.  i just don't find any fault
with it."

jane stevenson, music.
a moment of peace is worth every war behind us... emily saliers

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sorry all for doing this...

ruth...can't get email to you... our mail server is still messed
apparently...but we are meeting at breakers around noonish, which is at the
south end of the park directly south of the cinesphere...email me at
katspaw@idirect.com asap for further details :)


marilyn
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lorie driscoll, in a message dated 8/13/97 said :

"i was offended that someone would hunt down amy ray as if she were the enemy
in some war game.  (you were lucky to get such a polite response, btw.)  the
mindset of someone who would do that botherered me a lot...<smile> until i
recalled the quote i've been using as a signature ... and then it made a
little more sense ... but, please, we're all entitled to a life...offstage
ought to be off limits...isn't that common courtesy?

my point is that i understand how without thinking someone would be rude
like that, but i'm saying quite clearly that i think it is rude.  but don't
get all mad at me, it's nothing personal against the person who posted.  i
hope i'm not misunderstood here..."


i think the original sender is the one who got misunderstood here. i
thought she made her story interesting for the rest of us, and a little dry
humor is not amiss when you're telling a story to several hundred people.
and hey, i agree to respect artists, but c'mon- once a public person,
always a public person. you dont wanna go screaming up to them like you're
meeting elvis.  but, you don't have access to them on the stage, so if you
want to meet that person then when you have opportunity, you take it.

i thought amy handled it well, too. she obviously wasn't pissed. it seems
to be something definitely not worth getting offended over.

peace, and less offense taken in the world,
kiez

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i was reading the fort lauderdale sun sentinel first thing this a.m. and
came across an on-sale blurb for the now infamous west palm beach show.
reprinted exactly as it originally appeared. see if you can spot the
problem:

"the indigo girls are coming to coral sky amphitheatre west of west palm
beach on sept. 27. i-girls emily saliers and amy ray are touring behind
a new album, shaming of the sun, their fifth since emerging from the
georgia coffeehouse scene to help lead an acoustic folk revival.

the harmonizing twosome scored thier first hit single, closer to find,
in 1989. fans have embraced it as their signature tune. but ray and
saliers have, most critics agree, only sharpened their singing and
songwriting since that time. shaming of the sun is easily the duo's
strongest record to date." -- sean piccoli

first of all, the music reviewer who wrote the blurb is practically an
idiot, so i shouldn't be surprised. second of all, if you don't even
know their most popular song, you don't know them well enough to refer
to them as i-girls. (that's mr. indigo girls to you, sean piccoli!)

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> first of all, the music reviewer who wrote the blurb is practically an
> idiot, so i shouldn't be surprised. second of all, if you don't even
> know their most popular song, you don't know them well enough to refer
> to them as i-girls. (that's mr. indigo girls to you, sean piccoli!)
um...not to be an asshole, but what is there most popular song?
galeilo? i've been a fan of theres for 10 years seen them dozens of
times, and im not even sure what "there most popular" song mainstream
wise is. i perfer amy's rawer stuff that would never get on the radio
anyway.

and that wasnt the only mistake there's more than 5 albums too.

lynda
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> renegade steve earl and violinist lisa german.  previous albums have
> included appearances by everyone from r.e.m.'s michael stip to queensryche
> to alice cooper.


ok, this is something that i did _not_ know.  when did queensryche and
alice cooper appear on an ig album?

and i have read the faq!  is this a joke that i am not getting?

confused as always,
jennie

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well, the only thing i can figure is that the reviewer's a bit confused.
peter collins, who produced rop and so, has also produced alice and
queensryche, so . . . that's gotta be it.

i can't imagine alice cooper on an indigos album . . . oh, wait, was that
him singing harmony on "ghost" and not amy?  :)  heh heh.

peace in alice cooper and the girlz doing a cover of "the water is wide"--
can ya dig it?

melissa :)

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hello kf's,

here's my take on the festivities on wednesday:
(hadn't seen the girls in over 2 years!!!!  <gasp>)

so to answer that question, sheryl played the accordian for tried to be
true w/ ig (as the pittsburgh too apparently) - and was a nice little
surprise - not playing over the girls, of course, but a nice backdrop /
background / enhancing kind-of-thing....(btw...did i mention she looked
amazing in these white/green pants and also her cowboy hat!) (she
changed later into another (tight <guh>) pair of pants - bright blue - for
her set)

got there at 2:00pm - had reserved seats - so had a chance to chill, then
went in @ 4:30 - (a little bit cheerier at this point) - got a $3.75 beer, (no
lines!!!!) - and then saw patty griffin on the main stage- and yes!  she
was amazing, never heard her before but she was into it!

shawn c. - was a real surprise...someone told me they thought she stole
the show and i thought (<gasp> - ig?) - but she really got things going...

lisa loeb - was cute with funny glasses...(that's all i remember-did she
sing too?) - well josh s. came out to violin a song -

but, next ig!!!!!!!
amy's tatoo is pretty big - i think it's sort of a round shape, but it's not just
a little one - maybe a little squareish -
ar: white tee (slightly low cut - see above), and blue-jeans w/ funky
colors down the side....
es: red shirt under pant-overalls
(both realllllllll cute- and since i was rather close!!!! -
<ear-to-ear-grin>!)

before it gets too long....highlights:
set-list (i think):
least complicated
three hits
ttbt
gotm
soy
scooter boys (sb looks funny)
galileo (i was thinking of galileo the other day....)
water is wide
ctf

water is wide was amazing !!!!!!! w/ sarah & jewel - they stopped playing
at the end and sang together - sarah! jewel!! amy!!! & emily!!!! - somebody
pinch me!!!!!!!!!!!! -(preferably one of the above four!!!!!!!!)

ctf was really awesome with everybody on stage.....no messed up
lyrics too bad - except jewel missed her second cue and just yodeled
instead (funny!!!)

other neat-o's-----ttbt  rocked!!!! - and also galileo too!  - well they all
did - (but too short....)

you can tell me to shut-up - but, emily was looking right at me for a
little bit (and don't tell me otherwise!) - because i was so animated,
compared to everyone else - and she was like "i haven't seen you in two
years?  whatsup wit that?!"  but seriously, sully waved at me when the
girls were done playing (wearing a lift shirt too)....and what else, oh i told
the security person "amy said i can go up on stage?"  she said - "who's
amy? (and who the hell are you?)" and i pointed to ar, and said "amy
ray - duh!!!?"   - (didn't get very far)....

jewel can sing!!!!  wow!!!  even her overplayed songs sounded
awesome - like when i liked them the first 124 times i heard them.... and
the yodeling was funny ....(did i mention the awesome black pants w/
indigo shiny shimmery loosly-buttoned button-down shirt?!) - angel
standing by was mesmerizing.... (yodeleheho!)

sheryl did a good job too (even though ig should have been before
sarah)- (did i mention her blue pants?) - but she's got a good voice (is
there a trend here?)

sarah - or should i say sarah!!!!!  cause she was just phenomenal (?)
and since i was only 4 - rows back for her last few songs <grin> - she
was just mind-blowing - i think she put me in a trance!!!!  possesion, hold
on, building a mystery, angel (wow!!!!!), ice cream, sweet surrender (is
that right?)...and more....  ended around 11:30....

so do you think i enjoyed it????
no lines - a little rain, well a short downpour- but it was fun!!!!  awesome
music - awesome place ----- a & e = indiglowin......!!!!!!!!

hi to slavi & kirsten (you can buy another pair of shoes)
and thanks to terri !!!!!!!!!!!   you're a life-saver!!!!!!! (or giver...)

overheard at lf while sheryl crow was playing:
"i love you sarah!!!"  - sure - teeny bopper got a little confused -

"sometimes i feel like a strawberry."--emily saliers
(thanks)
"yodeleiheeyodelehehooooo...."--jewel
"sigh<grin>"--me
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mkc

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hey y'all!!!

the view was great!  i loved the performance..a little mellower,
definately a lot of feeling.  amy's ad libs, poetic license kicking
in...just rocked.

i'm flyin!!  what a way to start off the afternoon!!

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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i found another ig interview courtesy of the calgary sun this morning on the
canoe site...

url for the article is... www.canoe.ca/jammusic/aug14_indigogirls.html

enjoy :)

marilyn


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wow! i just finished watching it- it was great!  amy has lost a ton of
weight and looks unbelievable...can't say the same for emily!  anyways,
what i don't understand is, why didn't they sing gotm if thats their new
single that they are putting out?!  sounds a little wierd to me.  it was
nice though to have the opportunity to see the girls get some publicity
and recognition for their talent.  can't wait to see them on hard rock!
        -alison-

p.s.  please don't flame just cause i talked about a&e appearance!

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> wow! i just finished watching it- it was great!  amy has lost a ton of
> weight and looks unbelievable...can't say the same for emily!  anyways,

ok, this is jsut me being way nit pcky....but what is up with the
comment about weight?  i get really bugged by comments like these,
making an assumption that losing weight is good (it isnt, always)
and that having weight that makes you look bigger than a waif
is bad (it isnt).  amy and emily, from what i ahve seen, are two
healthy individuals.  *that's* what counts.  being a size 3 isnt..
esp since for most poeple that would be an unhealthy size.

anyway.  just had to get that out of my system.

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amy putnam wrote:
> ok, this is jsut me being way nit pcky....but what is up with the
> comment about weight?  i get really bugged by comments like these,
> making an assumption that losing weight is good (it isnt, always)
> and that having weight that makes you look bigger than a waif
> is bad (it isnt).

ya know, it is you being way too picky.  weight comments are completely
valid.  this poor person didn't say a thing about whether it was good or
bad to loose weight, just that amy had, and she looked good, and emily
hadn't.  no bad comments were said about emily.  if someone looks better
with less weight (and not necessarily wieghing 5 lbs), and if someone
doesn't look as good with extra weight (yes, there are averages for
height and weight, just ask you doctor), then that's just someone's
opinion.  let it rest.

jesus, this person even asked not to be flamed.  maybe people should
just read and not post to this list.  wait, that wouldn't really work,
but you know what i mean....

argh.
renee

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at 09:35 am 8/14/97 -0700, amy j. putnam wrote:

>ok, this is jsut me being way nit pcky....but what is up with the
>comment about weight?  i get really bugged by comments like these,
>making an assumption that losing weight is good (it isnt, always)
>and that having weight that makes you look bigger than a waif
>is bad (it isnt).  amy and emily, from what i ahve seen, are two
>healthy individuals.  *that's* what counts.  being a size 3 isnt..
>esp since for most poeple that would be an unhealthy size.
>
>anyway.  just had to get that out of my system.

you're very correct, amy. just for the record, i thought emily looked pretty
damn good. not heavy at all, and the green shirt really brings out her eyes =)

jendy (who has decided to stop watching it now)

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if anyone happened to tape the show, i would love to get a copy.
please e-mail me privately.  thanks.
karyn kerris
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subject:      lilith - scranton!!!!!

i am still glowing!  i do not have time to write a long review of the show,
but i can say that it was incredible!!!!!  emily and amy were definately the
highlight of the show for sure, and it was great to see other performers on
stage rockin' out to their music!  unfortunately there were 17,000 people
(!!!!!!) and i had only 20 or so poeple sitting behind me on the lawn!
needless to say, i couln't see shit, which was a huge bummer.  on the bright
side though, 17,000 poeple showed up to support a celebration of women in
music and to me that seems pretty amamzing.

anyway, as soon as ig came on my friends and i made a mad dash for the front
lawn section.  i must admit that we were not the most polite fans. we were
all  screaming our heads off, singing very loudly, with little regard for our
neighbors.  my humble appologies to anyone around me whose space i may have
invaded.  it was clear that we were the biggest fans in the near vicinity and
we just lost ourselves.  we could see much better, although it was hard to
make out faces of the other performers (during ctf).  i think the set list
was: least complicated (?), three hits, tried to be true, gotm, soy, galileo,
scooter boys, ctf.  it all went by so qucikly!!!  all i can say is that they
were amazing!

if anyone has a boot of this show, i will be eternally greatful!  i am
curious to hear other opinions...who else was out there?!?!?!

marci

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hi list,

was cruising moby disc records site yesterday and they are currently listing
ig/allman bros' club r&r for $90 if anybody out there is loaded and can't
live without it!  unfortunately, that doesn't describe me! :-)

also, saw the view this morning.  that debbie chick is such a twinkie, but it
was a hoot when she "tried" to hug amy!!! it was also fun to hear amy sing
"but i keep fuckin' up" on national, live tv!  i've got the tape, if anybody
is needy.  would love to trade for a boot, although a one song performance
doesn't really equal a tape of a whole concert, so whatever.... my 4 year-old
has a fever of 102, so we're all a little scattered around here this am.
forgive me for rambling...

peace,


pam
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i think this sums it up...

petty, petty, petty

*sigh*

marilyn
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renee writes:

> jesus, this person even asked not to be flamed.  maybe people should
> just read and not post to this list.  wait, that wouldn't really work,
> but you know what i mean....

umm...

just saying "please don't flame me" does not give one universal
protection from being blasted.  typically people do that when they are
posting stuff they think is "near the line" of appropriate behavior.
it might be a better idea to save the disclaimer (which is meaningless
anyway, except as a red flag to a bull) and keep the thought to
yourself.

while i'm on the suject of flames....i've seens some stuff the last
couple of days that has really made me quite angry to see in this
forum -- things that are _specifically_ advised against in the list
faq.  i'd like to suggest some folks read that again....

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2 tickets (in lvl 200 i believe) for sale for tomorrows lf in to.

for those that are interested please call 416-674-8442 (this is a hotel btw)
after 10 pm tonight and ask to be connected to nicolas auger (he's the guy
with the tickets)

have a good one :)

marilyn
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>at 09:35 am 8/14/97 -0700, amy j. putnam wrote:
>
>>ok, this is jsut me being way nit pcky....but what is up with the
>>comment about weight?  i get really bugged by comments like these,
>>making an assumption that losing weight is good (it isnt, always)
>>and that having weight that makes you look bigger than a waif
>>is bad (it isnt).  amy and emily, from what i ahve seen, are two
>>healthy individuals.  *that's* what counts.  being a size 3 isnt..
>>esp since for most poeple that would be an unhealthy size.
>>
>>anyway.  just had to get that out of my system.
>
just cause someone asks not to be flamed doesn't mean that it isn't gonna
happen. that's like saying, i'm gonna slap you silly but please don't slap
me back.

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has anyone else had a mr. limes experience with shame on you's line
"...and when the weeds go down you can see up close in the dead of the
wintertime..."?

my friend, for whom i was playing this song today, thought it said
something else.

in the interest of furthering the family-friendly nature of this list, i
shan't express exactly what it is she thought, but i will say that her
misinterpretation involved a woman named louise.

i'm sure you can get it from that, but if curiosity kills you, e-mail me
at shuey@arn.net

i laughed heartity, and i figured y'all would too.

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subject:      email the view

hey everyone-
i was just thinking how nice it is that amy and emily are getting more tv
coverage.  the view has an email address, (theview@abc.com) and i thought,
you know, if they get a bunch of email just saying "thanks for having indigo
girls on", whatever, (ok, you can be more articulate than that...)  that
would be good for everyone.  :-)  if we all email them, it's gonna be more
likely that they'll be asked to come back on when their next album comes out.
just an idea, if it's a bad one, you can always ignore it. :-)
thanks for listening,
~jen

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yes!  when i 1st heard that line from the nojf boot last year, i thought
it was
"...and when the weeds grow down you can see up close in the dead of
atlanta town..."

:)

jan

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>from:  justin shumaker[smtp:shuey@amarillonet.com]
>sent:  thursday, august 14, 1997 6:24 am
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject:       that crazy mr. limes
>
>has anyone else had a mr. limes experience with shame on you's line
>"...and when the weeds go down you can see up close in the dead of the
>wintertime..."?
>
>my friend, for whom i was playing this song today, thought it said
>something else.
>
>in the interest of furthering the family-friendly nature of this list, i
>shan't express exactly what it is she thought, but i will say that her
>misinterpretation involved a woman named louise.
>
>i'm sure you can get it from that, but if curiosity kills you, e-mail me
>at shuey@arn.net
>
>i laughed heartity, and i figured y'all would too.
>
>peace,
>justin
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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 14:56:21 -0400
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oh how lovely it is to know people who know people!  my dear friend got me
5th row dead center tickets (for much less than the posted price) to the
mullins center show!  i am so happy.

see you there jenny and lynda (and others i'm sure)!

now for bates!
jennie

"and as long as she's got noise she's fine,
but i could teach her how i learned to dance
when the music ended..."
        -dar

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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 14:09:29 -0700
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jen olson wrote:
>
> " the view has an email address if we all email them, it's gonna be more
> likely that they'll be asked to come back on when their next album comes out.
>  just an idea, if it's a bad one, you can always ignore it. :-)
> thanks for listening,"
> ~jen
> ignore a bad idea??????are you serious?????we don't ignore bad ideas..we
flame you tillyou die!!!!!!!!!
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah
btw i think itsa goodidea too,,but what do i know?
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at 09:14 am 8/14/97 -0400, lynda wrote:
>i perfer amy's rawer stuff that would never get on the radio
>anyway.

i still say that "shed your skin" could be big on the alternative charts!

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at 01:46 pm 8/14/97 -0400, "christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu>
wrote:
>just saying "please don't flame me" does not give one universal
>protection from being blasted.  typically people do that when they are
>posting stuff they think is "near the line" of appropriate behavior.
>it might be a better idea to save the disclaimer (which is meaningless
>anyway, except as a red flag to a bull) and keep the thought to
>yourself.

i agree with you 100%, chris!

>while i'm on the suject of flames....i've seens some stuff the last
>couple of days that has really made me quite angry to see in this
>forum -- things that are _specifically_ advised against in the list
>faq.  i'd like to suggest some folks read that again....

i'm not sure if you're including my post in that criticism, but i thought
carefully and decided to respond to the question  on ig relationships and
was careful to stick to a direct quote from an article which had been
posted here before and in which ig participated.  i thought this was
reasonable since clearly a&e apparently shared that information with the
reporter.  (i'm sorry others went a little farther and chose to divulge
additional information.)

the usage guidelines state:

        7) do not post gossip about amy and emily
        we respect amy and emily and their right to privacy.  therefore,
        please do not post any sort of gossip about their private lives to
        the list.  note that this includes reports of "sightings", such as
        "i saw amy at the supermarket last night!"

do we need to clarify?  to me, gossip is very different from fact, as a
sighting would be.  i agree that posting information about sightings could
be problematic; most of the list folk in atlanta respect ig's privacy, but
apparently others feel free to use this coincidence of location to their
advantage and turn the local grapevine international.  but to me, posting
information printed in an article is fair game.  you can't believe
everything you read, but we do allow article reprints here, so i think we
should be able to reference them in response to questions.  what do you
think?

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in a message dated 8/14/97 12:30:30 pm, mnoelm@aol.com wrote:

>also, saw the view this morning.  that debbie chick is such a twinkie, but
it
>was a hoot when she "tried" to hug amy!!!

this *was* pretty humorous.  also when she talked about staying up to watch
the watershed "documentary."  and she said she was crying because she
couldn't believe she was going to meet them (sounds like she could be one of
us tongue-tied list members).

>it was also fun to hear amy sing
>"but i keep fuckin' up" on national, live tv!

yup, she didn't do as much to cover it as the last time (i'm drawing a blank
... wasn't it a morning show?).  i also agree with whoever said they should
have done gotm -- i'm ready for a new song.

last comment: i think a tape of this performance would be a must for amy
fans.  i'm not saying this in a personal or sexual way -- i'm married with
two kids -- but there are tons of closeups and amy looks beautiful: healthy,
happy, having fun, comfortable with herself, totally into what she's doing.  s
he is a very charistmatic performer and seeing her in concert certainly
converted me from my initial emily obsession.  anyway, that's all i wanted to
say: the show is dippy but the 5 mins of ig at the end are worth getting a
tape for.

heidi in nh  (hoping i don't get flamed for raving a little about amy)

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just a quick plug: morgan's coffe and teas in monterey would be an
amazing venue to see michelle in. it's a tiny little place and you'll
be literally feet from the stage.

if you're planning on going to the sf show on 8/23, let me know. i'll
be out of town until tuesday but it would be nice to have a pre mm
show gathering in noe valley or in the castro.

monique

joanie wrote:
> the new west coast dates are as follows:
>
> tue., aug. 19 lunapark/los angeles wed., aug. 20 toe's tavern/santa barbara,
> calif. fri., aug.
> 22 morgan's coffee & tea/monterey, calif. sat.,

aug. 23 noe valley
> ministry/san francisco
> sun., aug. 24 villa montalvo center/saratoga, calif. (w/ neville bros.)
> tue., aug. 25 key
> largo/portland, ore. wed., aug. 27 tractor tavern/seattle thu., aug. 28
> bogie's/boise, idaho
>
> contact:
>
>    velvel records, new york
>    laura hynes, 212/353-8800, ext. 125
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subject:      weight comments etc. (nigc)

amy putnam wrote:
> ok, this is jsut me being way nit pcky....but what is up with the
> comment about weight?  i get really bugged by comments like these,
> making an assumption that losing weight is good (it isnt, always)
> and that having weight that makes you look bigger than a waif
> is bad (it isnt).

and renee wrote:

ya know, it is you being way too picky.  weight comments are completely
valid.  this poor person didn't say a thing about whether it was good or
bad to loose weight, just that amy had, and she looked good, and emily
hadn't.  no bad comments were said about emily.

**if someone was saying that amy looked good because she lost weight, doesn't
that logically imply less weight is better?

if someone looks better
with less weight (and not necessarily wieghing 5 lbs), and if someone
doesn't look as good with extra weight (yes, there are averages for
height and weight, just ask you doctor),

to which i reply:
**the question those "averages" raise for me is, who is "average" and who
isn't? and who decides, and what is it based on? it's been extensively
documented that weight average tables are just plain wrong most of the time and
don't take into account things like body composition, bone structure, etc. (if
you want citations i'll dig them out). and besides that issue, referring to
weight average tables is dangerous if you're trying to justify your opinion
that "less weight is better".

someone's
opinion.  let it rest.

**it is soemone's opinion, yes. that doesn't mean it can't be and shouldn't be
challenged!!! amy was stating her opinion too. have we gotten so (falsely)
nicey nice on this list that we can't even challenge each other respectfully?

i'm speaking from personal experience when i urge you to remember that this
logic (skinnier is better, amy looks good because she lost weight) is the way
that eating disorders are triggered and perpetuated in women. calling someone
out on their opinion when it might make all of us (me inlcuded) think about our
values is fine by me...and i hope i'm not alone in that!

sus

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subject:      everyone else is doing it...

i have decided to voice my opinion on this weight issue.  i have been
over-weight for all of my life and whether or not i look good or bad with
"extra weight", i do know that it would hurt my feelings hearing or reading a
comment like the origional "can't say the same for emily" comment.  i would
never say anything about the appearence of the girls because they are
beautiful people no matter what they look like.

thanks for listening--
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i rarely watch commercial tv, so i don't know what sort of things are
usually on it. imagine my surprise last night when i walked into a room to
see a man on tv wearing a red shirt that says "chicken man." i'm sure it
had something to do with selling chichken, but i kinda want one anyway: i'm
sure we'd all understand.

does anyone know if they sell them in kfc stores, or what?

tony/hashke/lonestar
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since you haven't heard enough just yet here's a little more of someone
who came a close second to ig:

sarah had on these real shimmery/sequin/shiny pants - that had a whole
bunch of zippers - along with a black shirt - and funky hair with two
sections dyed red - sort of where two horns would be (?).... and i
guess she had a necklace on---- but overall she was just sort of glowing
- and just had that charisma.....
of course in my delusional state of mind while staring at her - i merely
thought - i can play the drums, i can dye my hair all red, and who is he
anyway - taking away my sarah!!!  i'm sure they're real happy
together....<sniff, sniff>

since i usually watch the drummer / or percussionist - i noticed twice
(once minor - other more noticeable) that the drum for sarah messed up
..... and both times she looked back at him - for a little laugh....of course,
playing for sarah, i certainly wouldn't make that mistake!!!!  so that
was kind of funny....

also, that part in building a mystery (at the 2:19 minute mark on the cd) -
she sang it with a passionate effort- it was sort of like "a beautiful
fucked up mannnnn!!!!"  but it was cool to see her face sort of grimace
when she put extra emphasis behind those words.   of course, when
she heard me scream that line out along with her, she must've thought
"thanks, for the help"....... stop me if you think i'm
wrong.....<screeeeeeeeech!>......
it was just a real powerful moment.....

also, the fact that she was 12 feet away from me really just made my
day.... she was so close (when she came to the right (our right) of the
stage) that i thought (just for a second) or just imagined that she was
singing for me!!!!!!  and i was like---wow!!!!! she is facing me!!!!! and
singing her heart out at my own private concert!!!!!!    it was sort of like i
had tunnel vision and could only see her and nobody else around me -
........... or maybe i drank too much? - oh well....  but at least i wasn't punk
in drublic!  well maybe a little bit.....

so that's enough of sarah for one day.....i'll tell her y'all said hi!!!!
(my doctor told me to stop acting delusion - but it sure is fun!!!)
mkc


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ok...i thought the weight comments were really tacky too...extremely tacky.
and how fitting that they came from a male list member.

i seem to remember reading somewhere that amy does not like it when she
loses all the weight that she does when she is on tour....therefore, the
weight loss is not motivated by amy's desire to look "attractive", rather a
reflection on how much she pours of herself into the ig and their tour.

and more power to emily for not obsessing over her appearance...rather her
music!!!

i resisted posting this----so flame away!!!

jennifer

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hi!  i am so surprised about all the attention one statement about amy
looking good and emily... is making.  i was the one who wrote it and i
want to set the record straight by saying that i think amy looks great-
yeah, so maybe its because she lost weight.  i know it sounded like i
was bashing emily's weight but in reality i wasn't...i just didn't think
she looked as good as she usually does.  it's not like any of this
really matters.  after all, it's the music that ties us together- not
the appearance!
        -alison-
sorry for the controversy!!!!!!

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first, i am probably in the minority when i say that i am constantly
trying to -gain- a few pounds, even though i am a very healthy eater.

when i read the comment "can't say the same for emily," i was slightly
disturbed, but only because i thought both of them looked beautiful
(although emily's attire could've been snazzier, but hey, it's her
wardrobe not mine). but it wasn't totally out of line... it's only his
personal opinion.

as for the whole male comment, um, i thought alicia silverstone looked
horrible in "batman and robin" and i'm female (but it also had to do with
her batsuit and the lighting... moving on). and it's kinda stereotyping
males as being these appearance-centered macho pigs.

amy looked like she'd lost weight, and she looked great. emily looked like
she hadn't lost weight, and she looked great.

kelly

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tweet-tweet! official's timeout!

don't be starting any male bashing here. the weight comment was made by a
female. the account name was that of a male. don't get the two confused.

start the clock...

deb

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>i seem to remember reading somewhere that amy does not like it when she
>loses all the weight that she does when she is on tour....therefore, the
>weight loss is not motivated by amy's desire to look "attractive", rather a
>reflection on how much she pours of herself into the ig and their tour.
>
>and more power to emily for not obsessing over her appearance...rather her
>music!!!

i have to strongly agree. it is not their physical appearance that matters
to me but rather the beauty of their souls which shines through with every
note they sing.  i watched them today on "the view" and they both seemed
very happy and comfortable with themselfs which is the only thing that truly
matters.


>and how fitting that they came from a male list member.

jim gates
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my bad....i guess i should be a little more informed of the facts before i
male-bash!  *embarassed grin*

my apologies to all who possess a y chromosone---i can see why the comment
i made earlier could be just as offensive!!!

thanks for the clarification, alison--well written and much appreciated!

peace--really, i mean that!!

jennifer

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(sorry folks for taking so long to post about this... my email server
has been going wacko for a few days!)

let's get on to...twink's concert highlights!

well, the list gathering before the show at tgif's was lots of fun...
chatting & good food... a chance for us to get to know each other a
bit.  there was me (the twink!), my girlfriend barb, our old roomie
cassie, our friend kelly (a fan who's not on the list), don richards,
his grand-daughter deidre (the coolest 8 year old i know!), don's friend
daryl, lori j (of the list), and lori's friend heather!  can't wait to
check out some of the video don shot while we were there!

so we left early, headed for polaris, & waited outside the gates...
while deidre was busy practicing her pitching (she's sure to be a great
softball player one day!) and forcing the rest of us to go up against
her arm... we chatted, waited, threw dirt clods & stones down this
embankment... we had fun!  no sign of heather & lori... but we later
found them front & center on the lawn... a prime spot!

finally, the gates were opened and we stood in line again to get in!  i
kept telling the group we should hang around the stage where michelle
malone was to perform (cause thanks to the rest of you i knew she's
usually around before she goes on)... and i guess i lucked out cause she
walked right in front of me and i was like "hey michelle!"  she stopped
& i introduced myself... as i'd expected she didn't remember me (from
the one time we met in 1994, of course not)... and she tried to make it
sound like she would but said she was "kind of out of it today!" that's
cool, i didn't care... so i was like, "could you sign my shirt?" and she
did... the shirt i'd made up especially for the event! (nod here to
vicky... who picked me out of the crowd where mm was performing &
introduced herself! nice to meet you vicky!) :)

anyway, all of us hung out there & michelle's set started & it was just
rockin'... next thing i know someone was telling deidre that amy was
there and telling her to go over and ask for an autograph... and i
followed her over.  so amy, who was just trying to enjoy michelle's set
was like, "oh honey, not while she's playing... but come back after &
i'll sign that for you!"  (great!)  then when we went back over after
michelle's set was over... i could hear amy turning down fan after fan &
explaining that she had to get back and didn't have time to sign
autographs.  deidre said "amy!"... and amy stopped & turned around &
said (ever so sweetly) "except for her... i promised her i'd sign that!"
and she proceeded to draw a cute little kitty & sign her name! (i'm
rambling, i know... what did you expect?)

so next thing is that deidre says, "twink! you've got to get amy to sign
your shirt!".  amy hesitated for a second (i'm thinking i made a good
decision here...) and i said, "no, deidre, amy said she's busy and she
has to get back!" (i was thinking why should she sign something for me
after turning down those other folks... it's so much cooler that she did
that for deidre... she will cherish it forever!)  i did yell, "thanks
amy!" as she was leaving just to let her know i appreciated her doing
that for the little one! :)

sorry, i didn't keep track of what songs were played in what order or
any of that... i thought lisa loeb was really good... and her new songs
sound
great!  looking forward to her next album!  ig couldn't have rocked any
better... they had the entire place up & dancing... too bad the set had
to be so small.  it looked like they were really having fun up there
though! i was also very impressed with some of sarah's new songs...
might just have to go get that new cd! :)  (sorry, i didn't keep track
of what songs they played or any of that... perhaps someone else can
post about all that?  don? lisa t?  vicky? anyone?)

as for the booths & such... i never really had the chance to go around
to check them all out. (though i really wanted to there was just too
much other stuff going on and before i knew it we were heading up to the
main stage to catch the music up there!) big thanks to don & deidre &
daryl &
lori & heather... y'all were lots of fun... we will have to do it all
over again sometime! :)

oh yeah... lisa t... we saw you from the back row of the lower
pavillion... in your prime 4th row seat just a-dancin' your little heart
out during ig's set... i tried to throw something at you - but we were
just too far away! :)  hope you had as much fun as we did!

anyone else have thoughts from the polaris show?
that's it from my end...
twink!

**********
   amy:  "i'm always kickin' things over!"
emily:  "you're so rowdy!"
   amy:  "sprawlin'... flailin'..."
**********

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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 15:03:33 -0700
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okay, i'll be the first to admit that i'm not exactly what you'd call
waifish. if i lose even the tiniest amount of weight, most of my friends
notice. after a visit to the doctor's office revealed that i had lost 3
whole pounds, a friend stopped me and proclaimed that i had indeed lost
weight, and then proceeded to examine me from several different angles for
about 10 minutes. my point? if someone cares about you, they are going to
say rude, tactless and awful things about your habits, hair, weight,
attire, etc. think about your mother, or any of your relatives for that
matter. who loves you more than your family? who says the rudest things
about you? what i'm trying to say is that if someone says "wow, emily's
looking a little hippy this year" don't masticate them for it. compliment
them of their fine sense of detail, and their sharp memory, then do
whatever you do when your mother says "i wish you'd just let your hair grow
for once" or something similar ( i.e. "it wouldn't kill you to put on a
little makeup now and then"). roll your eyes and ignore it.

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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 18:35:54 -0400
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to the list:

regarding deb*indigo*'s comments about ig personal life gossip--
you are 100% right & i am a schmuck because i recently posted an answer
to someone's question.

i am sorry. i should not have done it. i apologize from the bottom of my
soul. i shall refrain from such comments in the future. actually, i'm so
embarrassed that i think i'll just retreat, keep my big mouth shut, and
go back to lurking for a while (until my face is no longer magenta).

i will not gossip; gossip is bad. i will not gossip; gossip is bad.
i will not gossip; gossip is bad. i will not gossip; gossip is bad.
i will not gossip; gossip is bad. i will not gossip; gossip is bad.
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        -- mel  <melsouth@mindspring.com>

           "the situation's clear before my eyes
            confusion wants to break me - and it tries"   e.s.

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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 17:54:40 -0400
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sorry all for taking up bandwidth, but it's just so hard to find people,
like you fellow listees, with a good taste in music now adays. ;)
anyhoo, a friend and i are looking for someone in the atlanta area
(around emory, gatech, etc) who is interested in getting togother to
make music.  we're both guitar players, and though we can always take
another, we could really use a precusionist (?) or bassist or something.
either way, what we really need is someone who has a voice (we need an a
or e!).  well, let me know your interesed.  you can reply to this email,
or if your in the area, page my friend and leave a message on her voice
mail (patty-770-535-4879).  again, sorry to take up bandwidth.
david
ps- no flaming, i'm sensitive and burn easy

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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      don't drop the soap (*nigc*)

--- in this toronto article thingy emily said
" amy and i are all
about singing with other people."
--- end of quote ---
well hells bells grrlie! where are you every morning at 7:10 am when i put in
rites of passage and turn the shower head to xtra hot??

specializing in inane ramblings since 1969,
sus

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subject:      ani in chicago(nigc, sorry)

i know someone posted info abou a show on october 18- do you have the phone
number for tickets> email me. thanks!

sari

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subject:      that weight isssssue (igc barely)

i enjoyed this interpretation of amy on the view.

heidi wrote:

last comment: i think a tape of this performance would be a must for amy
fans.  i'm not saying this in a personal or sexual way -- i'm married with
two kids -- but there are tons of closeups and amy looks beautiful: healthy,
happy, having fun, comfortable with herself, totally into what she's doing.
s
he is a very charistmatic performer>

it is refreshing to hear these words associated with being beautiful:

healthy, happy, having fun, comfortable, and enjoying what she is doing.
thanks heidi!

i know there are many other descriptive words under the beautiful blanket,
its nice to see what different people think.  some actually do think thin is
more beautiful, so be it.  i personally don't subscribe to that, and thank
goodness many people are getting better about being so judgemental based on
looks.  (myself included, i have to work at this too) my opinion comes from a
place of being told that thinner is better, heavier (than what?) is bad! and
having food on the table 24-7 (italian gramma anyone?  i love my culture) :)
ok its good to poke a little fun at one's self!

i understand that not everybody has the same insights as i do, but i do worry
about young people killing themselves to be barbie.  i also think different
things are important to different people, so i can't be too hard on alison.
for a minute though, i thought maybe gramma had joined the list! aaaahh run!
no, no more lasagna, put down the biscotti!!!  actually she used to send me
care packages in college, full of sauce, pasta and quarter wheels of parmesan
8-)  i love her,  smiling, i really am!
catherine

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subject:      blue light special at daemon rec.!

hey indigo folkies!
    this probably has already been discussed, but i've been gone for 8
weeks and i'll be a dweeb and say it anyway! just thought i'd share
with you that daemon is having a 50% off sale in august on
ellen james society
james hall
the oblivious
gerard mchugh
new mongrels
viva la diva
lay quite awhile
band de soliel

have fun kiddies!  check the daemon site fopr more details!

leah

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subject:      scranton review & fiasco (long)

ok, i just got back from the "scranton fiasco". whoa!!!

well...this was pretty much my trip up to lilith...

3:30: we get the exit, all stuffed into a ford taurus. the air conditioner
doesn't work and the only radio station that comes in is called  "hot 97".
every other word they said was "hot"....(etc. concerts are hot, ice cream is
hot, music is hot) i was begging them to find another adjective.

3:30-5:45: still in traffic. "hot 97" has now played that damn puff daddy
song about 8 times. we begin to play "guess what song shawn colvin is playing
now". realizing that we are now thristy, my friend amanda and i try to trade
with other cars in traffic are bag of doritos for soda. there's nothing like
bonding with other pissed off concert goers. if the lovely gentlemen in the
jeep from new york are reading this...thanks!!!

6:00: we finally make it to the damn parking lot. all the locals seemed to be
sitting on their porch watching the traffic go by....and i thought nj was
boring.

6:05: we are casually told by a cop that we need to take a tram to the show
itself but there is at least an hour to an hour and a half wait for the damn
tram. hmph. then he begins to laugh that we better start walking. wasn't
quite sure why this guy was laughing about the walking, but we figure since
we've been in a car for so long, walking didn't seem that bad.

6:10: in all the chaos i somehow bump into marg (rhythm19@aol.com) we begin
talking about all the parking diasters and then realize while talking to her
why the cop was laughing. ya see, the show is about 4 miles up the hill. and
the whole walk is totally uphill.

6:11: lol...yup because something else had to go wrong....it began pouring.

6:12-7:55:i was told the hill was about 4 miles, it was long and we were
soaked. we sung ig tunes to try to pass the time by. it was really bad.
police and security would drive by, smile and wave at us. i didn't think it
was so funny. if anything we did bond with our fellow walkers. a group of us
came up with a plot to throw someone in front of the damn bus to make them
stop....but after serious debate and discussion, we decided against such
action :) then with all the police cars driving by us we considered staging a
mugging or illegal action and then when the cop drove up we'd steal the
car...and off to indigo!!! but, again after we thought about it we just kept
walking. and walking....and walking...and walking...and walking.

amanda (hello if you are reading this) decided to call this the "million
women march"...sorry to those guys with us.

we finally got to the actually staged area just as closer to fine was
finishing. almost 4 hours after we got to the actually exit. while walking we
passed the "hot 97" party van. i was too tired and pissed to submit a list of
new adjectives to use instead of "hot".

we found out from a security guard at the venue that the show was sold out a
few days before. then they decided to sell about 1,000 extra lawn seats. then
he admited to us that the venue could never deal with this much of a parking
need. um...yeah i think so too.

i was surprised by how few people knew sara mclachlan's songs. the lawn was
pretty much silent through her whole performance. it was late, everyone was
wet...so i'll let it slide this time. :)

well....that's about it. i never intend to visit that venue again. still, i
won't let this damper my overall view of the lilith tour on a whole. i intend
to go next year...i'll just wear hiking boots.  :)

smiles...yeah smiles :)
annemarie

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subject:      twist on gotm.....scranton style  :)

ok, just posted about my experience at lilith.....

in the traffic home we were still upset and mad at the venue
organizers.....but decided to try to laugh about the events that caused such
a fiasco for us. so we decided to put a little twist on gotm... (laugh..hell
we somehow are)


get up the hill

the saddest sight my eyes can see
that really big mountain right in front of me
walking in the pouring rain, in my soaked jeans
i paid $30 bucks, how could this freakin' be

finally got through traffic, the parking's full, the tram is gone
i better not miss amy, since i already missed shawn
and this "mofo" begins to tell us, '"you better start your climbing
or don't expect to get their before jewel starts her whinning"

get up the hill
get up the hill, after our long car ride down
can't wait to get the hell out of this godforsaken town
this venue is disorganized, i'm warning everyone
i'm gonna ring out my shirt
wish i would see that sun
i'm gonna eventually get to lilith, when our walking is finally done

it seems like we left nj a few years ago
and then stuck in traffic, without the ac we began to roast
and me i'm still trying to make it to the show
seems it's less likely by clock
with too many cars on the road

i want to hurtle the venue organizers through every inch of time and space
or maybe i'll march right up to them and slap them in the face
with every step i walk my body starts to hurt
i guess i should be lucky i didn't wear a white shirt

get up the hill
get up the hill, after our long car ride down
can't wait to get the hell out of this godforsaken town
this venue is disorganized, i'm warning everyone
i'm gonna ring out my shirt
wish i would see that sun
i'm gonna eventually get to lilith, when our walking is finally done

i'm gonna ring out my shirt
wish i would see that sun
i'm gonna eventually get to lilith, when our walking is finally done

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subject:      the whole weight thing

who gives a crap?

i'm tired of hearing about emily's weight.  she's skinnier than me.  she's
gorgeous.  i wish i could look like her.  even just a little bit.

scuse me while i go see if i can work up enough willpower to come down with
anorexia.

~~tigger, who tends to get very ticky about the subject of weight since it's
almost everyone's most sensitive spot.  who cares about weight?  she can
sing, cant she?  scuse me if i sound bitchy.  it's because, about weight, i
am.

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hi - i don't know if any of you are familiar with the seating at mullins
center, but i'm a little scared about the ticket info i got.  i splurged
and went for the $50 seats and was told that they were on the floor but in
section p1, row 2.  now, according to the seating chart, section p is
behind the stage.  can anyone reassure me that i will not be staring at the
back of the stage?  thanks for any help.
-sarah

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subject:      weight- minimal igc, long.

        while i don't much like the actual quote which began the whole
weight controversy, i must say something in response to a few quotes like
this, from the more philosophical point of view than the a+e (no offense
to the actual writer, there were a few of these out there).  and hey, as
litlith enthusiasts i suppose we have to be interested in women's issues,
and buy this sure is one of them.

>i'm speaking from personal experience when i urge you to remember that
this
>logic (skinnier is better, amy looks good because she lost weight) is
the way
>that eating disorders are triggered and perpetuated in women.

        i feel that i have to weigh in on this one (oh, forgive the pun!
i didn't even see it tthere until it was too late!) as i have a friend
who was at least borderline if not actually anorexic.  she was and is a
beautiful girl, and no one ever  disputed that, and foreign exchange
student who was living with my best friend.  when she showed up she was
skinny but definitely healthy looking-- some people are just meant to be
skinny.  i hate em, but i know em.  she hated american food however, and
was frightfully homesick so she just stopped eating.  i'll tell you that
after the first five pounds she did not receive one compliment about how
good she looked for having lost weight.  she received a lot of concerned
looks, a lot of obligatory visits to the school nurse for weekly
weighings, and a lot of friends' support.
        i have never heard so many people tell a girl how good she looked
after a changed in weight - plus or minus - as this girl received when
she got things back under control.  things work both ways.  we don't mind
saying how good a woman looks who has gone from obesity to normality, but
somebody who makes an effort and goes from a comfortable but slightly
excessive weight, one that poses no serious health risk but is, we all
know, not the most healthy, to something a touch bit trimmer should be
admired for this effort, not plunged into a debate over the societal
debate of a woman whose looks are at the mercy of an unforgiving
waif-hungry public.  amy had hardly approached anything that might be
considered to be a dangerous weight.  she looked bright and smart and
attractive and sexy, from the mouth of a heterosexual.  and she looked
like she was having a great time.
        people can look good because they've cut their hair, because they
stopped wearing gunky makeup, because they grew a couple of inches in
height over the summer, becausethey changed their clothing style, because
they've gotten a tan, and they can look good because they've lost or
gained weight.  i think emily looked fantastic too.  and if they are
happy with their looks and weight, they'll exude that satisfaction and
they will look beautiful and healthy and radiant, just as we all will.
what that image that will bring up personal satisfaction will be no one
can dictate, but there's no need to go around saying that a compliment
regarding somebody's change in weight is a matter of condoning eating
disorders.
        yes, our modern concept of how a woman should look is sick, yes
it needs help.  no, young girls should not be starving themsleves as i
and many other i know  once tried to do in order to fit some impossible
standard of beauty.  it's ridiculous and it's excesisve.  but shedding
five pounds is not something that should evoke such thoughts either.
that's letting the disease win.  that's going the other way, suggesting
almost that we sit in squalor and aim to be overweight just to defy "the
system."  that too, my kind friends, is still "pushing the needle too
far."
        and feel free to flame me all you like.  i have nothing to hide
or fear.
                                        -diane.

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subject:      watershed

does anyone know what "watershed - the documentary" is?  it was referred
to by that woman on the view.

am i missing something?  i've never heard of it......unless (just had a
thought, i'm slow) it is the short after the pay per view event??????

desperate to know!!!

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subject:      get out of this place: scranton summary

with apologies to emily, shawn, and debatediva, i present my summary of the
events at scranton. yes, folks, everything described in this song actually
happened.

get out of this place
(sung to the tune of get out the map and get out of this house, not that
anyone will)

the saddest sight that i can see
is this fascist guard, taking my food away from me
now i'll have to eat nachos and drink without glee
how many dollars will i pay for soda? three!

this frat boy with a cigarette is burning down my fuse
asked by me to put it out, he oh-so-rudely refused
i threw my soda at him, good thing i still have more
he called me a freak--well, i've been called that before!

i'll get out of the gates, go walk down the hill
get out of this place
this venue is run by pigs with ill will
get out of this place

they talked through patty griffin's set and lisa loeb's too
not kicking their cojones in is all i can do
lisa did not do "sandalwood", but she did sing "do you sleep?"
i'm reminded of my past, and i think i'm gonna weep

why did i hurtle myself here, away from my one love?
i'm looking at the sky and i see dark rain clouds above
all this bad blood is giving me some lines upon my face
i want to go home, and don't care if i lose the race

to turn off the tape, pick up my bag
get out of this place
go listen to "shaming of the sun" at home
get out of this place

shawn colvin just came onstage and she's really kicking butt
it even got the assholes all around me to shut up
ack, it's raining harder than i've ever seen before
my bootleg will be ruined and i'm feeling really sore

the rain stopped and she's playing "wichita skyline"--what a song
but the jerks are talking loudly again, so i guess i was wrong
halfway through "the facts about jimmy", the rain drowns out the talk
look at all the mud! i feel like i'm at woodstock!

but i don't have a raincoat and i can't find my shoes
i'll get out, get out of this place
and i still haven't heard "object of my affection"
get out, get out of this place

i spent four long hours here surrounded by jerks
i'll spend four or more trying to get home
i may never get home, but i'll do what i can
next august, i'm going to mi-chi-gan!

copyright 1997 by kirsten chevalier. you may freely distribute this song
parody, but if you want to, you should have your head examined.

i should add that i did stay for the ig's and sarah's sets, and they were
unbelievable, but i thought that was a good stopping point for the song :-)

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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 23:53:13 -0400
reply-to:     ccigfan@aol.com
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from:         "cheri l. carter" <ccigfan@aol.com>
subject:      boone, nc show info. needed

hey people of the list...
my fellow lister (lisa) and i are going to road trip to the boone, nc
(appalachian state) show on september 19.  since we live in hotlanta, we were
wondering if there's anyone out there who knows anything about getting tix.
to this show or knows anyone that attends asu that might be a campin out for
tix.  (that was a really long sentence, btw)  is anyone else out there going
to this one? please email me privately.  i shore do appreciate it!
thanks!
cheri

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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 20:53:54 pdt
reply-to:     gesi rovario <sammigirl1@hotmail.com>
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from:         gesi rovario <sammigirl1@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: the view
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>date:  thu, 14 aug 1997 09:35:37 -0700
>from:  "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
>subject:      re: the view
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>> wow! i just finished watching it- it was great!  amy has lost a ton
of
>> weight and looks unbelievable...can't say the same for emily!
anyways,
>
>ok, this is jsut me being way nit pcky....but what is up with the
>comment about weight?  i get really bugged by comments like these,
>making an assumption that losing weight is good (it isnt, always)
>and that having weight that makes you look bigger than a waif
>is bad (it isnt).  amy and emily, from what i ahve seen, are two
>healthy individuals.  *that's* what counts.  being a size 3 isnt..
>esp since for most poeple that would be an unhealthy size.
>
>anyway.  just had to get that out of my system.
>
>                          _________
>amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
>pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
>monk@world.std.com          \   /
>the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
>                http://www.crl.com/~pegasus
>

i completely agree. i was going to say something, but you said it all,
and said it well.:~>

gesi

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