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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 00:16:12 edt
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      this weight thing

i really don't give a flip who's thin or chubby, or about average weights or
blah, blah, blah.  i feel sorry for the poor girl who mentioned it in the first
place.  she was just making a comment that amy had lost weight (which i
mentioned in my lf post last week, btw), and that emily had not, perhaps
implying that emily maybe had gained weight...but that is left up to the
reader's interpretation.  must we be so politically correct that we cannot
make a simple observation such as that?
i don't think the comment was made maliciously...i think she was merely
making an observation, based on how a&e usually look, or have looked in
the past.  i'm constantly amazed at all the people who jump in and rally
to someone's defense when a person comments that they appeared to be gaining
weight or whatever.  it's not a personal attack, you know.  there are some
people who look more tired, or don't look quite as well when they're carrying
10 or so pounds of extra weight than usual.  i really don't like to hear when
someone says that a  or e look rough or ratty or whatever, but, i realize that
not only is beauty in the eye of the beholder, but reality sometimes isn't always
peaches and cream.  in fact, i'm trying to lose 10-15 pounds myself.  not just
'cause i freak out when i see recent photos of myself compared to those from 4 or
5 years ago, but also because i know that the extra poundage isn't good for my
cholesterol or my general health.  that is a fact, whether we care to admit it or
not.  and besides that, i'm tired of huffing and puffing when i go on strenuous
hikes or play softball...

peace, (and donning my flame-retardant jacket:)

joan :-d

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 00:33:55 -0400
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i would also have liked to hear ig play "don't give that girl a gun"
too.  it's my favorite song on sots.  i think it is a wise choice
for them to release it as the next single.

it's kind of interesting that both rosie & debbie(the view) are
ig fans.  i think david letterman is also since he has had them
on his show so many times.  nanci griffith is also a fan given
her comments on austin city limits a few years back.  now who
else has a tv show that ig can be on?

speaking of austin city limits, i can't wait until next january or
february to see that.  however, "hard rock live" is aug. 24th.

scott
i see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes - still waters  - e. saliers

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 00:37:59 -0400
reply-to:     andi <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
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subject:      scranton lf review (long!)
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lilith fair in scranton was *amazing*...despite the rain, my friends & i
had such a good time!  montage mountain sold out (17,000 tickets) for the
second time ever (the first was lollapalooza '92 w/ pearl jam).  i saw
michael's & marci's reviews, so i'll try not to repeat anything they said.
we had 15th row center, slightly emily side.  because of the rain, all of
the second stage acts were on the main stage, which was much better for me,
since i was already up close, & i could see perfectly.  yung chen llamo was
too small & quiet for the main stage, but she had a beautiful voice & sang
in tibetan.  she reminded me a little of ulali.  patty griffin was really
good.  my friend gave me a copy of her cd, living with ghosts (which i
highly recommend), so i knew a few of her songs.  lisa loeb surprised me &
was also great.  i knew some of the songs she played from the radio, but i
loved her new songs also.  she talked a lot in between songs & was really
cute...she joked about the coors lite plane that was flying around montage
being her backup music, since her band wasn't there.  shawn colvin was also
wonderful.  the rain really started to come down hard during her set (&
everyone whipped out their rain gear, which made the crowd really
colorful), & she started singing a song about rain & drizzling & puddles &
stuff, which was pretty cool.  i don't even think her band knew it b/c they
just stopped playing & let her play alone.  the crowd went crazy at sunny
came home, of course, but people were attentive during her other songs
too...she played a lot of stuff from her new album, & a couple old songs
too.  she was pretty funny too...my favorite shawn comments were, "why do
harmonicas always smell really skanky?" & "sometimes wetness is a good
thing."

and then ig came out!  it rained on & off during their set, but i barely
noticed.  i wrote down the set list, even though the ink was running b/c
the paper got wet.  michael & marci were close, but a couple songs were out
of order...here it is:
least complicated
three hits
get out the map
shame on you
tried to be true
galileo
scooter boys
the water is wide
closer to fine

michael wrote:
<<amy's tatoo is pretty big - i think it's sort of a round shape, but it's
not just a little one - maybe a little squareish -
ar: white tee (slightly low cut - see above), and blue-jeans w/ funky
colors down the side....
es: red shirt under pant-overalls
(both realllllllll cute- and since i was rather close!!!! -
<ear-to-ear-grin>!)>>

amy's tattoo actually reminded me a little of ani's w/ the black line
things.  amy's jeans were the ones she wears in watershed...i forget what
part, but she defintely wears them.  emily's shirt was a rage against the
machine shirt.  if anyone cares, sara lee was wearing a black shirt, jeans,
& the sara lee red shoes.

there were lots of references to the weather!  at one point, amy said that
after their set, she'd go out in the rain so she could feel bonded w/ us.
during lc, during the "i'm just a mirror of a mirror of myself" line, emily
said, "here comes the sun."  and then she introduced gotm by saying,
"here's a song about the sunshine!"  amy messed up when she started playing
at the beginning of galileo, but then she just looked at emily & laughed.
ttbt w/ sheryl on accordian was really cool.  the water is wide was
absolutely beautiful.  jewel, sarah, amy, & emily harmonize so well it gave
me chills.  ctf was equally amazing.  everyone must have been studying the
lyrics b/c they all knew them this time!  lisa, sarah, & jewel all sang
verses.  jewel came in after sara's pennywhistle, & she started to sing,
but sara was still playing, so then she just started yodelling, which was
really cool.  when lisa sang the "head against a board" line, sarah put her
hand up against her head, which made me laugh.  it was just so great to see
everyone singing together & having fun.

the crowd seemed to like ig, but no one around me really knew the words.
my friends & i were the only ones who came in on ttbt & galileo.  when the
audience finally started singing on galileo, amy said something like,
"that's it!"

i took lots of pictures too.  they searched me as i came in, but they
didn't find my camara, & no one stopped us from taking pictures, even when
we walked to the front & took a couple from there.  they were taking away
umbrellas as people walked in, & as we left, there was a whole pile of them
waiting to be claimed.

i've always wanted to hold up a sign, & since we were so close, we decided
to bring one.  my friend made it, & on one side it said, "will la salle be
rescheduled?" (the la salle show was supposed to be in april, but it was
rainy & windy, so it got cancelled), & the other said, "can we sing w/ you
on ctf?"  we held up the first sign a few times & they didn't see it, but
then emily looked at us, read the sign, & just shook her head & shrugged
her shoulders as if to say, "sorry, i don't know."  then she said, "god
bless y'all," or something.  (i actually didn't hear her say that, but my
friends swear they heard it.)  then amy said something to her, & she said
something back.  it looked like amy was asking what our sign said & emily
was telling her.  we held up the other side, but either they didn't see it
or didn't acknowledge it.  we were just excited that emily read the first
side!  during ctf, the people in front of us asked us what the sign said &
kept asking questions about it, which i thought was pretty rude.  if we're
big enough fans to make a sign, why would we talk to them during ctf?
anyway, after ig, a woman came over to us.  it turned out that she was the
head of activies or something from la salle & wanted to know if we were la
salle students.  we told her that we went to penn, but we had tickets for
the la salle show, & she said that they're trying to reschedule it, but if
there was bad weather again, they have nowhere to hold the show, so they're
trying to find somewhere.  she gave us her card & told us to call her when
we get back to school for more information.

after ig, my friend & i ran up to the front & called sulli's name, & she
waved, & we were hoping for a pick or a set list, but she just finished
cleaning up.  there were a couple of picks still on the mic, but somebody
took the mic away w/o giving out the picks.  after that, we felt like the
show was over & it was time to go home, but there was more!

jewel was great.  she played some new stuff, which was rocking!  and she
changed her older stuff a lot, so it sounded really cool.  before angel
standing by, she said that she wrote that song when she was living in her
car, & now she's on stage, so she told everyone never to give up hope.  her
last song was a yodelling song, which was pretty funky.  sheryl was also
pleasantly surprising.  she played a lot of stuff the audience knew, & she
was wearing a cowboy hat & joked about having hat hair when she took it
off.  sarah was a perfect ending to the show.  she played 5 old songs & 4
new songs, all of which were beautiful.  the funniest thing was when i said
to my friend, "sarah's wedding ring is really simple" (i was looking
through binoculars), & she said, "she's married?" & i said, "yeah, to ash,
the drummer" (who had purple hair, btw), & she said, "don't laugh, but is
ash male or female?"  i said, "male!" & she said, "well, you never know!"
hee hee...   the ice cream encore was just sarah, ash, & someone else, &
sarah let the audience sing a little, which is always fun.  sarah also
thanked all the people working for lilith, the performers, & the audience
for coming, & especially for sticking through the rain.  everyone seemed to
thank us for sticking through the rain!  and of course, today was a
beautiful day in scranton...it's too bad the show wasn't today!

okay, i think that's it!  overall, it was an amazing day. (even though we
got extremely wet & muddy!)  to quote emily (from an article in the
scranton times), "it's just a joyous event...and it's as fun as hell."  if
anyone booted this, i would love a copy...i have lots to trade!
:)
andi

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                                  andrea lipman
                        e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
                 homepage: http://www.sas.upenn.edu/~ablipman

                     "there's so much to see through,
                 like our parents do more drugs than we do....
                  they preach that i should save the world
         they pray that i won't do a better job of it."-dar williams
  _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 01:19:58 -0400
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from:         scott niebling <wolf83@mindspring.com>
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it's a video documentary of ig made in '95.  it has interviews,
clips of music videos, and behind the scenes footage.  i would
have liked to see the entire music videos and other songs(there
was room since the tape is 66 mins. long).

i got mine from a local best buy.

the back of the box has:
---
for indigo girls fans, the only thing better than hearing amy ray
and emily saliers weave their voices, guitars, and emotional
eloquence into music, is seeing them bring the music to life in
concert or video.  highlights of this hour-long program include
the fanciful and funny "galileo", with amy and emily exploring
some of the characters(and objects) they might have been in
earlier lives; "touch me fall"'s state-of-the-art stop-motion
animation and hard-edged performance; and the refreshingly serene
visual interpretation of "least complicated."  in addition to
their music videos, amy and emily have sifted through hours of
footage taken be friends and family over the years, to bring
their fans some candid and memorable moments from "the early years."
it's all tied together by an interview with the girls off stage
and on at the breath-takingly beautiful red rocks amphitheatre in
colorado.  susan lambert, a filmmaker and friend of indigo girls
since high school, directed and edited this video.
  power of two, least complicated, touch me fall, galileo,
  joking, hammer and a nail, close to fine
plus
acoustic performances of "finlandia"
excerpts from "chickenman," "reunion," and other songs
behind the scenes footage and interview
amy and emily's home videos
---

scott
everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me - a. ray

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 00:34:49 -0600
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@megsinet.net>
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hi--we've all thought about ig and their appearance at some point.  we
usually have the sense not to post these thoughts due to flamage.  i am
sure everyone has at some point thought something about a and e's
attractiveness and then had it go hand in hand with a thought about loss or
gain of weight.  yes we don't let these thoughts rule our lives but the
thoughts are surely there at times.  personally i think amy does look
better than emily right now but it's because emily needs a new weave on her
head (gay guy chat for a haircut) or something and maybe some new
sunglasses--i'm kidding!!! ( but you all know you have thought about those
things!!  don't lie!--i mean today i saw the view appearance and thought
amy has that same old yucky brown shirt on--sue me!)
        and furthermore--take a good look at the photo on the nis cd.  amy
has her arms outstretched and cheeks all blown up standing behind emily.
she is clearly making fun of emily calling her a tub o lard.  and poor
emily just sits their all content with her hands on her lap unknowingly.
poor e!!  ;) so amy is guilty too :) :).  lighten up people--the girls look
awesome!!

and to that male basher who thought the comments were made by a guy--thank
you for your apology but you get a huge psshhhhhhheee--talk to the hand!

later

gf

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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 22:27:50 -0700
reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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in the dark...their music is just as powerful...
peace all... kim
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the flesh is strong the spirit stronger, so shed your
skin baby, let it through... comeonovernow!!!!... amy ray
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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 23:14:28 -0700
reply-to:     tom paul <trp@cdepot.net>
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my point was missed completely.  i highly doubt that that the list is the
cause of socieity's ills regarding body images. i also doubt that amy or
emily are affected in the least by any of our ramblings or their
appearance. their attire is discussed widely, i even recall a thread about
the material that amy's pants were made of. my point was this: if you are
in the public eye, you will be scrutinized. i remember during the so tour
when amy's hair was painfully short, the discussion amongst the audience at
the venue we attended the concert at was all about how amy's hair looked.
fans develop an almost personal relationship with the objects of their
affection, and tend to praise or chide them as they would a friend or
family member. it's all done out of love for such people, not because of
issues on image, or body consciousness. we feel conected to them because
they have touched our lives, and the music has been there for us in good
times and bad, and so we tend to over analyze a bit. take issue with calvin
klein, or any of the other designers that use models that appear to be at
death's door. take issue with advertisments on television and in print that
paint the body beautiful as thin, bony and hollow-looking. if we climb up
someone's butt for their own personal opinions, we are no better than
orwellian thought police.  i happen to agree that too much pressure is put
on us as women to look a certain way, but set a better example by showing
our youth that it's okay to be who you are, gay/straight/fat/thin/etc. but
just because someone has worded an innocent statement in a way that
displeases you, doesn't mean that you should turn them into some kind of
internet pariah. call off the dogs and try a little understanding, grace,
and patience.

yours truly,

krista d. paul

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date:         thu, 14 aug 1997 23:26:59 pdt
reply-to:     gesi rovario <sammigirl1@hotmail.com>
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>date:  thu, 14 aug 1997 14:36:25 -0400
>from:  jen olson <max643@aol.com>
>subject:      email the view
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>hey everyone-
>i was just thinking how nice it is that amy and emily are getting more
tv
>coverage.  the view has an email address, (theview@abc.com) and i
thought,
>you know, if they get a bunch of email just saying "thanks for having
indigo
>girls on", whatever, (ok, you can be more articulate than that...)
that
>would be good for everyone.  :-)  (little snip)
>~jen

it's a great idea. i just did it. one suggestion though. don't just
thank them for having the girls on. mention something else you liked
about the show, and try to say something like, you'll try to catch it
more often now. cause if they think you'll be watching, your comments
will have more pull. i suggested a bunch of artists i'd like to see on
the show as well. hey, if everyone asks for melissa etheridge, ya think
they'll ask her?<g>

gesi

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 09:54:55 +0100
reply-to:     juliet long <j.l.a.long@reading.ac.uk>
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to put a smile on your faces.. with the exception of kirsten no-doubt
(bah..humbug!)

j.


a priest, a doctor, and an engineer were waiting one morning for a
particularly slow group of golfers.

engineer:  what's with these guys?  we must have been waiting for
            15 minutes!
doctor:    i don't know but i've never seen such ineptitude!

priest:    hey, here comes the greenskeeper.  let's have a word
            with him.

priest:    hi george.  say george, what's with that group ahead of
            us? they're rather slow aren't they?

george:    oh yes.  that's a group of blind fire fighters.  they
            lost their sight while saving our club house last year.  so
            we let them play here anytime free of charge!

    (silence)

priest:    that's so sad.  i think i will say a special prayer for
            them tonight.

doctor:    good idea.  and i'm going to contact my ophthalmologist
            buddy and see if there's anything he can do for them.

engineer:  why can't these guys play at night?


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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 19:18:25 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey everyone,

still more admin stuff.  i'll keep it short this time...

1) faqs: chris becker mentioned these, and i think it's time
to plug them again.  there are two faqs, the ig faq and the ig
mailing list faq.  we recommend that you at least skim through
both of these as they both contain lots of helpful information.
they're available:
        - on the www at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
        - via anonymous ftp from space.mit.edu/pub/cmb/ig
        - via email from me (sherlyn@fl.net.au)

(note that the current version of the ig faq is v3.6, and the
current version of the list faq is v1.6.)

2) attachments: please don't send these to the list.  lots
of people can't view them and yes, sometimes they do contain
executable viruses...

3) the weight debate: lots of good points brought up by
everyone who posted, on both sides of the issue.  however, i
think it's time to take it to private email please?  this is
one of those lots-of-valid-viewpoints things that have the
potential to monopolise list bandwidth...

4) digest troubles: some people have been reporting trouble
with the digest form of the list.  i think this is tied in with
the more generic listserv troubles we've been having lately,
but unfortunately i don't know any more than that.  more
updates as we have them...

oh, and here's some igc - am i the only one who can hear the
(uncredited) electric guitar during "burn all the letters"?
it's there, i know it is...

that's it.  thanks folks,
sherlyn

ps - this is your invitation to the wedding of the year, mk ii!
deb reiser and her sweetie beth have consented to join greg
flamer and i in wedded bliss.  greg's going to wear the dress so
you all ought to come along to see one of the cutest guys on the
face on the earth in a gown, if for no other reason.  again, no
rsvp necessary, just show up at folkworld for a good ol' time.
(yes, amy and emily will be conducting the ceremony again. :)

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and the road leads us on, and we sing out this song -
'let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all,
let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all...'"
                                 - karen pernick

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 10:20:20 gmt
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hi everyone,

i am sorry about the subject, but i am getting a lot of requests for a copy
of the ppv concert from people living in america. i can't help you, in
europe we use another videosystem not ntsc!!! i am sure there are enough
people in your country who can help you out.
anyone using the pal/secam system who wants to trade for a copy of the
concert contact me privately.

cj

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hey y'all,

here's the article that was in the calgary sun.....the usual disclaimers
and typo warnings apply

thursday, august 14, 1997


happy together

the indigo girls mellow with age

by lisa wilton
calgary sun

after more than 10 years of writing politically charged folk-pop, emily
saliers is mellowing out.

"maybe because i'm in a good relationship and i have nothing to bitch
about," reckons saliers, one-half of georgia duo the indigo girls.

"it's probably the post-30 philosophy of letting go. i try not to worry
about the future -- things happen for a reason.... there are peaks and
valleys."

musically, saliers and her partner amy ray -- who play mcmahon stadium aug.
22 as part of the touring lilith fair -- have been reaching higher peaks
with every album, their latest being this year's shaming of the sun.

although their new cd branches out into hip-hop-flavored pop with the song
shed your skin, and features instruments like the hurdy gurdy and banjo --
which were not used on earlier releases such as 1994's swamp ophelia and
rites of passage from 1992 -- saliers and ray's intelligent lyrics still
touch upon their spirituality and gay issues that have been recurring
themes in their music.

"i believe in god.... i believe in a great spirit," says the 33-year-old
saliers. "i'm not very judgmental of other people's faith.

"(being gay) hasn't hampered our career. the media has been more open with
gays.... it's more accepted now, but there's still a long way to go. one
day people will see there was a lot of ignorance."

saliers -- who originally studied to be a teacher -- met ray in a decatur,
ga., elementary school where they became inseparable friends. in high
school, they had begun singing and performing together as saliers and ray,
but by the time they were in college, the two women adopted the name indigo
girls and started recording independent singles. saliers says she gave up
the idea of teaching when they released their major label debut, strange
fire, in 1987.

"i knew amy and i would be playing music together for a long, long time."

------------------------------------------------------------------------
that's all folks!

karen

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subject:      weight a minute (igc)

ok, now i just saw the view ig episode that i taped last night. yes, amy
looked a bit bigger than her usual self. no, it did not look bad. in fact,
amy gaining a couple pounds made me desire her more. (so while i won't get
flamed for the weight issue, i'll get burnt for the privacy issue...)

i think it's all subjective. i think people's opinions matter, but not so
much that you change your own outlook on your life/body/mind. i know what
people think about people who are overweight. it doesn't matter. what
matters is what i think. and i don't care. amy looked gorgeous in the
view, she looked gorgeous in the ctf vid when she was a skinny kid.

in other news...the view was great!! it was very "living room" like. = ) i
think amy chickened out a bit on the "beautiful ladies" part. she started
laughing, then started at the floor. = ) i also liked the fact that amy
has played the same guitar for over 10 years. did anyone else notice that?
if i ever made it big, the first thing i'd do would be to buy 10 diff
guitars! but amy has the same one....notice the paint missing from the
front, next to the pickboard? that made me proud in a strange way. = )

ok, off to work. have a good friday!

-liz-

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subject:      oops...(nigc)

today i said:

it doesn't matter. what matters is what i think.

i should have added ".....about myself." what matters is what i think
about myself. sorry. = )


-liz-

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ok, i swore i wasn't going to get involved....but i think after  reading
all of this stuff, i just want to make one observation....

rather than saying "amy lost weight and emily didn't" which was interpreted
by many to have a negative connotation toward emily, maybe it would've been
more appropriate (if the author was only making an observation about their
appearance) to have said "amy looked like she lost some weight, and emily
looks about the same.." or say nothing about emily at all since she hasn't
changed her appearance.  how's that sound kids?

i've recently learned that even if you say something that sounds innocent
to you, your comment can be taken in a different way than you intended and
hurt others...unintentional but hurtful just the same.  doesn't necessarily
mean that what or how you said something is wrong, it's just like your
opinion....but like opinions, others will be different from yours, and you
must respect them.

ok, i'll shut up now....counting down the hours 'til the unveiling of the
great woods tailgate party web page....it's awesome, dudes and dudettes!
lots of great photos that tell the story.......

have a schmabulous weekend everyone!

joni  :o)

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per the polaris review by twink (great to meet you too twink), i
thought i'd try to remember the order.  i've come up will all the songs ( i
hope), but the order in the middle of the list may not be correct.  here's
what i recall:

sys
gotm
land of caanan
soy (w/ brown eyed girl)
chickenman
galileo
eiiot
water is wide
ctf

hope that helps for those keeping track.

btw, i'm still pestering the box office at blacksburg, and they still don't
have an on-sale date.

happy friday-------vicki

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is hard rock live on vh1? i know this is sad, but i live in manchester tn,
pop. 6000, and our cable is unreliable at best. do you happen to know what
time, if it is a televised event? we only get vh1 for a half a day <groan>.


thanks for any helpyou can provide!
kiez

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i live in europe and i'm a indigo girls fan.it's pretty unbelievable that
you,americans,gets so upset about that weight thing of the indigo
girls!!!isn't there anything else to talk about than the weight of
someone...?
hoping for better times,

danny

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subject:      the view - censored ...

i read one of the posts, and someone said the "it was cool to hear amy sing
...'i keep fuckin' up' " .... was it just me or was it muted/censored out ...
?????

chris

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here's what goes on sale this weekend. i know you all know about west palm
beach :), but a couple of the others you may not be aware of.

on sale right now (went on sale this morning)
sep10 palace theatre -- albany, ny
sep16 zembo temple -- harrisburg, pa
sep25 florida theatre -- jacksonville, fl

on sale tomorrow  (aug 16)
sep27 coral sky -- west palm beach, fl

all tix available through ticketmaster.

deb

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in a message dated 8/15/97 9:20:27 am, guinione@aol.com wrote:

>i read one of the posts, and someone said the "it was cool to hear amy sing
>....'i keep fuckin' up' " .... was it just me or was it muted/censored out
...
>?????

i watched it live on the east coast and there was no bleep ... amy stepped
back from the mike a bit but definitely said the word.  maybe in later
broadcasts it got bleeped or blanked out.

heidi

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>i live in europe and i'm a indigo girls fan.it's pretty unbelievable that
>you,americans,gets so upset about that weight thing of the indigo
>girls!!!isn't there anything else to talk about than the weight of
>someone...?

umm-i don't know where you are from in europe but i dislike the assumption
that all these weight comments come from americans.  have you been to
london--i mean those damn tabloids have a running tally of princess di's
weight and poor fergie!!  i mean isn't their something else you europeans
can talk about besides how many ounces (pardon, grams) that the royal
family has gained/lost.  honey lamb, the whole world is guilty of this
weight thing not just americans.  doing my part to start a global flame
war.... :)

>greg's going to wear the dress so
>you all ought to come along to see one of the cutest guys on the
>face on the earth in a gown, if for no other reason.

now sherlyn, you must stop spreading these viscious rumors or i will show
you what a real american divorce proceeding is all about!!!  just kidding
pooky.  you know i love you...

gf

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sorry for the nigc, but joan -- please please (with sugar on top) send me
some form of email -- i have been trying to correspond for a week now and i
just want to figure out what's going on...i have stuff to send you -- i hope
you're okay, email me if you get a chance -- please...

mike r.

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greg flamer wrote:
>
> >i live in europe and i'm a indigo girls fan.it's pretty unbelievable that
> >you,americans,gets so upset about that weight thing of the indigo
> >girls!!!isn't there anything else to talk about than the weight of
> >someone...?
>
> umm-i don't know where you are from in europe but i dislike the assumption
> that all these weight comments come from americans.  have you been to
> london--i mean those damn tabloids have a running tally of princess di's
> weight and poor fergie!!  i mean isn't their something else you europeans
> can talk about besides how many ounces (pardon, grams) that the royal
> family has gained/lost.  honey lamb, the whole world is guilty of this
> weight thing not just americans.  doing my part to start a global flame
> war.... :)

enough already!!!!

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has anyone ordered from daemon during the ups strike?    do they ship via
ups?

i am just wondering how long of a delay to expect in shipping.

thanks,
derek

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danny verheezen wrote:

> i live in europe and i'm a indigo girls fan.it's pretty unbelievable
> that
> you,americans,gets so upset about that weight thing of the indigo
> girls!!!isn't there anything else to talk about than the weight of
> someone...?

look.  they belong to us.  they're an "american" product and we'll talk
about them any damn way we want.  maybe you should stick to your own
eurotrash music acts (read spicegrrls).  isn't that red-headed one
puttin' on some poundage on the back-side?  and what's up with that
tomboy-athletic one?  hasn't she worn those same pants in every music
video?

scott

(disclaimer:  this is joke of the emergency "get a grip" system.  if
this were a real comment, it would have been followed by a "please don't

flame me" addendum.  this is only a joke.)

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hi,
if anyone is interested,i have following items for sale from the indigo
girls :
-hammer and a nail > usa 1-track promo cd $5
-touch me fall > usa 1-track promo cd $5
-watershed/watershed(live)/all along the watchtower > usa
3-track promo cd $5
-breaking curfew > 14-track promo sampler $15

postage not included.
e-mail me privately if interested.thanks for looking!

danny

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awesome joke, scott!

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i'll second that request.  it didn't air here in columbus, ohio.  at least
not that i could find anyway.

if anyone could make me a copy i'd appreciate it.  just e-mail me privately
and let me know, k?

thanks and indigo

lori
ljusko@netexp.net


> if anyone happened to tape the show, i would love to get a copy.
>  please e-mail me privately.  thanks.
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i just read this on the sarah list about the pittsburgh lilith:

<<the show was topped off by the indigo girls ending with a rendition of (i
hope this is the right title) "no sir, i'm fine" with the help of sarah,
sheryl, jewel, shawn, and lisa loeb.>>

too funny! :)

at lilith, they were giving out a free tape w/ all the second stage
performers on it.  my friends & i looked everywhere for them, but we
couldn't find any.  we heard a woman was handing them out, but she was
nowhere to be found.  if anyone has extras or is going to one of the
liliths coming up & could get me one, i would be eternally grateful.  i
have lots to trade, or i could send a sase.

anyone have any idea why they played soy on the view when the ig webpage
said they'd be playing gotm?  and anyone have an idea why they played w/o
jerry, sara, & josh & why they played it acoustic & skipped the guitar
solo?  for a change?  time limits?  anyway, i thought it sounded great that
way!  amy's ending was really cool too.

i know people have asked & not gotten an answer, but i'll ask again...did
anyone boot the pnc bank arts center show in holmdel, nj on 6/4/97?  i'll
offer my first-born for a copy! ;)

speaking of the arts center, is anyone seeing ani & bob there tonight &
booting it?  i'd love a copy of that too!

andi


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andi <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu> got me laughing so hard i scared the dogs
when she shared:

>i just read this on the sarah list about the pittsburgh lilith:
>
><<the show was topped off by the indigo girls ending with a rendition of (i
>hope this is the right title) "no sir, i'm fine" with the help of sarah,
>sheryl, jewel, shawn, and lisa loeb.>>
>
>too funny! :)

        rotflmao!!!!  actually, isn't this a song written by binky having
something to do with her being arrested while doing performance art at pike
place?  perhaps ig covered it....?

delighting in starting rumo(u)rs;
trace

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 14:23:04 -0400
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hey all!  just thought i'd throw in a little brag...

i'm finally goin' to see my girls--  jacksonville, florida  sept. 25th

it's been a while, over 3 years.  last time i saw them was in atlanta,
georgia in july of '94 and "my first time" was during the summer of '92 in
park city, utah.  so it's definitely time i see them again.  i need to see
them again!

anyway, just to put in a little somethin'--if you have a chance to see
indigo, and i'm only telling you this for your own good--go see them!
don't let anything stop you!  for me, they still hold the record for being
the best concert-givers ever (next to dave matthews and neil diamond!  u2
will be in november!  still haven't seen sarah!)  sooooo entertaining!
they really know how to get their audiences involved.  actually, they
thrive on it.

so all in all, i'm pretty excited right now!  life is good.

but for all you fumblers and ig fans, let me know if any of you will be at
this shindig.  maybe we can have a little rendevoux around "the landing!"
indigo is also playing in tampa the next night, saturday, september 26th.
i'm going to do my best to go to that one!  money will be my only
hindrance.  and rumor has it, they are to play in valdosta, georgia (only a
short hour and 1/2 from me!) sometime in early october!

have a great one!

cope

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 14:37:31 -0400
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from:         elizabeth deschesne <tunegal3@aol.com>
subject:      re: the view - censored ...

in respsonse to chris's post regarding the muting..
fcc regulations do not permit certain words to be broadcast.. if they can
help it.. live shows are certainly an example of when a word can slip through
the cracks... so to speak..
i saw the view and it was definitely muted out.. you did not hear and will
not hear that word in any taped broadcast.. or any live broadcast with any
sort of a delay.

yours in television....
tune

>i read one of the posts, and someone said the "it was cool to >hear amy
sing
>...'i keep fuckin' up' " .... was it just me or was it >muted/censored out
...
?????

chris

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 15:52:44 -0500
reply-to:     deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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howdy listees, time for a serious note from me:

back on june 16th, the following post, from an organization named "funky
soundz" was sent to the ig list:

> hey kids...
>
> although it is against our standard policy we have chosen to honor a
> list member's request by sending through the below for sale list. if
> you are not interested in purchasing indigo girls rarities please
> delete this message.
>
> we will not post any future offerings to this mailing list.
>
> all of the below listed items are in mint condition and insured
> shipping is only $4.50 for any size order (add $2.00 outside us)
>
> to reserve please simply e-mail us with your true name, geographic
> location and list of items wanted.
>
> multiple quantities of some items available, but we reserve the right
> to limit per customer quantities to meet demand.
>
> no credit cards or cash accepted.

the above was then followed by a list of ig collectibles. there were a
couple of items that interested me so i went ahead and ordered. i know at
least one other  list member did too. low and behold our checks were cashed
but our items have not been received. emails to
"funky_soundz@rocketmail.com" went unanswered. i filed a grievence with
rocketmail and they notified me yesterday that because of numerous
complaints, the account was shut down. i was able to trace the ip address in
the headers to funky soundz service provider. a complain has been filed with
them and they are looking into things as best they can.

before things proceed any further, i would like to know if anyone else on
the list ordered from this place. if you did, please email me privately and
tell me your story. although i'm only out 20 bucks, fraud is fraud and i
will do everything i can to see to it that appropriate measures are taken
against behind funky soundz.

deb

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 17:56:56 -0400
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from:         sari laufer <sarikins@aol.com>
subject:      ig in the weirdest places

well, i was in macy's today, the big one in nyc- the first time i'd been in
years and the last time i'll ever step foot in there.
i was on the teen floor(what can i say, i am a teen, and they were having a
sale on jeans). let me point out that this floor is as tacky as tacky can
get- dirty, rundown, and cheesy-ass clothes. not the place you'd expect to
hear ig. more like "alterna-teen" stuff- really "deep" and "tortured" and
"electronica." but, as i'm perusing the jean selection, i heard the familiar
chords of ctf to lift me out of the sneaker pimps hell i'd been drawn into.

than, as i waited on line for over a half hour- not that the line was long,
just that the clerk was incompetent- i heard history of us.

sorry for ranting- it was just in ig inspired happy moment in my otherwise
horrible and completely unsucessful trip to macys. i left my merchandise at
the counter...i couldn't wait any more!!!

sari

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 14:59:58 -0700
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on a somewhat related note, i would caution listees against ordering from
ghost! too. their aol page looks to have been removed, and they've been
remiss about sending on orders since june or thereabouts.

if anyone has any details on what has happened with this business, as well
as the one mentioned by deb, perhaps they could pass it along.


all the best,


martine

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 21:21:34 -0400
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subject:      re: watershed

in a message dated 97-08-15 04:44:12 edt, you write:

<< t's a video documentary of ig made in '95.  it has interviews,
clips of music videos, and behind the scenes footage.  i would
have liked to see the entire music videos and other songs(there
was room since the tape is 66 mins. long).
  >>


ummmmmmmmmmmm on mine it shows the entire music videos........ on all of
them....... except for chickenman........

~~tigger

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 21:09:52 -0500
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subject:      fwd: girls looked good on 'the view'

hey y'all, i just saw this on the newsgroup, and thought y'all might
appreciate it.  - fran e.

---- begin forwarded message
from: indigoskies@webtv.net (indigo skies)
newsgroups: alt.music.indigo-girls
subject: girls looked good on 'the view'
date: fri, 15 aug 1997 18:47:39 -0400

hey !  hope ya'll got to see the indigos on 'the view'.   they sounded
great and really looked good!   both were smiling and tapping their
feet....seemed to be having fun!
fashion report:   emily is looking soo cute lately.  she  had on the
same outfit she wore at lilith fair in charlotte.....an over-sized
gingham green shirt with little  matching floral leggings.
amy had on that same retro shirt with the geometrical shapes and blue
jeans.  i've never seen her with so much make-up, and tell me if i was
seeing things...did she have on artificial eyelashes????         both
looked hot...sounded hotter!  indigo heaven!!!!!!
great fun!
deedee


"i have lost friends, some by death, others through shear inability to
cross the street."
........virginia woolf
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from:         bonnie lacey <bonnemot@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig privacy issues (yes, again!)
x-to:         indigo@mindspring.com

in a message dated 97-08-15 13:46:06 edt, indigo@mindspring.com (deb) writes:

<< you can't believe
everything you read, but we do allow article reprints here, so i think we
should be able to reference them in response to questions.  what do you
think? >>

hey y'all

yes here i am taking more time away from my task of moving and packing a
family of 4 to tell you all that i absolutely agree with deb on this.
obviously a very well reasoned woman you are deb!

and on the general issue of the mean temperedness i've noted lately, i'm
going out on a limb here to say this, but i think some of the flaming type
stuff and hot tempered stuff around here is not that big of a deal, it's just
a factor of the age of the person.  you get more reasonable as you get older,
and if you get any therapy at all, you get a lot less judging.  plus i think
some people see that behavior as reflective somehow of how cool and hip they
are.   anyway, i've seen some doozies of meanness in the newsgroup on the
issue of the girls' privacy, but i do believe info that's public knowledge,
or that the girls even participated in, i say is fair game to discuss here.

forgive this rambling and inarticulate-ness - i am zapped

bonnie

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much thanks to all who posted about upcoming concerts; picked up tickets
for mullin center and got second row, amy side-yippee! i've never had
such good seats for one of their shows. and ticket master didn't even
have a listing for the show-kept saying there couldn't be one taking
place. but i confirmed with mullin c, and sure enough, they were on sale
thurs am at 10:00(said ticket m. didn't know as this concert was put
together very quickly). ah--the wonders of the internet.

lisa

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date:         fri, 15 aug 1997 22:36:47 -0700
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okay, first i have to brag about my exciting indigo evening. mom (ya
know, the one with the binoculars) and i ran into target just before it
closed because i was looking for a couple of albums. on a whim i check
the indigo girls section of the cd's and behold sitting there with rop is
a sampler cd. i showed mom and she said we could get it. cool. but even
better was that it was priced 5.99 but rang up at 2.40 (i love a deal).
can you believe it? amyray, to make it worth your time for reading about
my evening, i'll also tell you all this. during my search for the afore
mentioned albums i went to sam goody. the incredibly nice manager there
remembered me from when i came looking for posters and such when sots was
released. she asked me if i'd like any of the ig stuff that was left and
i said of course. she came out from the back room with several sots
flats. i'm going to offer two of them for trades right now (and possibly
more later if anyone's interested). i'll trade for whatever anyone wants
to offer - pictures, boots, etc. - and i probably won't be too picky.
email me if you're interested.
-sam (who had many other happy things happen today)

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from the epic list
i left the address and stuff incase you wanna join it
---------- forwarded message ----------
date: fri, 15 aug 1997 17:31:15 -0700
from: epic_records@epiccenter.music.sony.com
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subject: indigo girls announce 1997 honor the earth tour

indigo girls announce 1997 honor the earth tour
east coast shows will raise funds & awareness in opposition
to nuclear waste on native lands
(http://www.honorearth.com)

indigo girls will launch their second honor the earth tour
on september 7 at the st. regis mohawk community at
akwesasne near syracuse, new york. the tour continues
through october 2, and includes stops at four native
american communities.

this year's honor the earth tour will focus on raising
public awareness of - and opposition to - plans for nuclear
waste storage on native american lands. nuclear power
utilities are orchestrating plans to move nuclear waste off
their reactor sites and shed all responsibility for the
lethal byproducts of their industry. a highlight of the tour
is a special "no nukes" call to action concert - with
special guest bonnie raitt - in washington, d.c. on
september 24. this show and attendant press events are
intended to arouse public opposition to the industry-backed
nuclear waste policy act, which comes up for a vote this
fall in the house of representatives.

indigo girls' 1995 honor the earth tour raised over $300,000
for distribution among 41 different grassroots environmental
organizations and was the largest single fundraising effort
in the history of native american activism. this tour also
generated over 25,000 "action cards" mailed to local, state
and federal officials; and created a network of tens of
thousands of supporters for the rights of native peoples.
amy and emily performed concerts throughout the western us
as well as at native communities in minnesota, south dakota,
arizona, and alaska.

the honor the earth campaign is a joint project of the
seventh generation fund, the indigenous women's network, and
the indigenous environmental network. the 1997 honor the
earth tour is sponsored by ben & jerry's.
(http://www.benjerry.com)

dates subject to change:
september 7             st. regis mohawk community              near syracuse, ny
                        at akwesasne (part of six nations confederacy)
september 8             shea's                                          buffalo, ny
september 10            palace theater                          albany, ny
september 12            mullins center                          amherst, ma
september 13            grey gym                                        lewiston, me
september 15            mccann center field house       poughkeepsie, ny
september 16            zembo temple                            harrisburg,pa
september 19            appalachian state student union         boone, nc
september 20            buruss auditorium                               blacksburg, va
september 21            township auditorium                     columbia, sc
september 22            johnny mercer civic center              savannah, ga
september 24            warner theater (with bonnie raitt)      washington, dc
september 25            jacksonville theater                            jacksonville, fl
september 26            sundome                                 tampa, fl
september 27            coral sky pavilion                              west palm beach, fl
september 30            t/b/a (with special guests)                     las vegas, nv
october 2               university of montana                   missoula, mt

don't miss indigo girls on vh1's hard rock live august 24th.

buy indigo girls cds online at the store @ sonymusic online
http://thestore.sonymusic.com/thestore/music.asp?selection_id=067891

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date:         sat, 16 aug 1997 04:57:52 -0600
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in a perverse twist of fate milli vanilli will be on a vh1 show called
"behind the scenes" or something to discuss their infamous musical fiasco
on the same night as the girls are playing hard rock live! a definite
psychic connection i think.  i wish it was a call in show so that i could
ask two certain gentlemen (who wish to remain anonymous) which one of
their mothers works on the grammy award decision board.  there might be a
ig reference during the show-check it out.  as everyone will remember
milli vanilli beat the ig's out for a best new artist grammy in 1989.

everyone enjoying the weekend?
diana, warrior princess.

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subject:      the sfc's view

this subject's been run into the ground already (mailing lists are great for
that), but anyway....
in an act of true stupidity i stayed up wednesday night 'til 2am, to realize
that if something is scheduled normally for thur. 11am, and it's on at 2am,
it would have to be on friday at 2am.  so i saw a little to much of the view.
was baba-wawa drunk when she came up with this one?  i think the show was
ridiculous.  anyway, after wading through at least an hour in all of the view
i got see the girls and they were absolutely wonderful.  i have to throw in
my 2 cents here about the weight thing.  i guess i didn't notice it, but,
wow, i thought amy was great looking.  i loved how she laughs around the line
"the beautiful ladies walk right by, i never know what to say"  on the "'cuss
word", it seemed to me that she didn't necesarily back away from the mike but
said "ffffff-kin".  the local radio station has started actually cutting out
a beat from the middle of the word.  i thought that debbie made the girls be
percieved as a "college band", or "gen-xer band", which prolly isn't good.
of course, i don't think i should worry about the masses being influenced to
start listening to good music anyway.  i remember when first hearing about
the show, and it being connected with barbara walters, i was hoping that she
was going to interview them.  so in that sense, it was a let down.  but hey,
the girls were great!  well, that's 'bout it i suppose.

the sfc
is a guy, but the show really did suck, right?

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personally, i loved the view.  it's about time that the mainstream media
began addressing things from a womens perspective and what a refreshing
change to hear serious issues being discussed for once! for instance take
that question of the day "if you could change your name to anything else
what would it be?"  *turning sarcasm off* honestly, i thought the show
sucked it was like fifty minutes of torture to get a glimpse at a & e
who were beautiful as always.  did you check out the audience! half of
them looked like living fossils who just had a dose of metamucil during
the commercial break before a & e came out.  i would kill to see babs
eliot's aka babwa wawa's reaction to the "f**kin' up" line.  little
debbie's reaction to the girls was kind of cute, she was excited to meet
them big time! did you all see her ask for their autographs during the
commercial break?  i think they should have asked a & e the question of
the day, what do you think of harriet saliers and xena ray? ;) ;)
p.s. whoever posted the url of the photo of emily's evil eye please email
it to me again-accidentally deleted it.

a big smiley good morning to you all!
diana

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date:         sat, 16 aug 1997 10:37:24 -0400
reply-to:     finellamac@aol.com
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from:         andrea mcgraw <finellamac@aol.com>
subject:      attn: indicated iv organizing person!

hey!

due to a nasty and unwelcome accident involving anti-virus software, my
entire c drive was wiped, and with it numerous e-mails -- including the
address of the one pulling together indicated iv...

would whoever that is write me privately and send me the address to which
people should send their audio contributions to the complilation?

thanks muchly in advance...

peace,

andi (mcgraw)

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from:         "liz (bear of very little brain)" <lturcotte@star.net>
subject:      grace chords (nigc)

grace
by michelle malone (standard tuning, no capo)

                    em    g    a-c
i was up all night
                  em      g    a-c
thinking of you

etc, until the "your love i was dreaming" part which is d9 (000230) then
asus (002200)

                 em     g       a-c
could you take it easy on me (etc..)

              dsus
would it do any good
              asus
could you do any good
                   dsus
through the grace of your heart
       asus
the grace of your heart

       bm         b?
and i'd be alright
              g                   d
with the grace of your heart

b? is: 005553

the entire song is like this. all versus are em g a-c  and the chorus is
bm b? g d  and the funky part is dsus asus.  if anyone could tell me what
the b? chord is really called, that would be great. and if anyone has the
lyrics, i will make it more organized. = )

thanks for playing....

-liz-

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subject:      the view - a question

i taped the view but i'm not sure if any of it got cut off or not.  right
after debbie interviewed them (she was asking for their autograph), it cut to
a commercial that is when my tape stopped recording.  i am pretty sure they
came back and went on to something else...right?  someone let me know if i
missed anything, email me
privately.  thanks!!

rose

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subject:      amy ray invtervew part three

i know. i'm sorry. it takes too long between parts. here is the rest of the
amy ray interview.  for those of you just tuning in. . . it comes from a
local (albuquerque, new mexico) indep paper called "women's voices".  my
friend kelly got to interview amy.  she set up the interview through the
music company and amy called her.  could you imagine ... the phone rings, you
pick up the receiver and hear, "hi, this is amy ray".

i have not saved the first two parts so those of you who missed them should
post a request to the list, i'm sure someone saved them.

voices of women: amy ray of the indigo girls
by kelly barrick hovendick

part three:

kh:  i know that your honor the earth campaign protects sacred sites for
native cultures.  and right now, i'm not sure if you're aware of this or not,
albuquerque is fighting to protect sacred sites of the petroglyph national
monument.  and our mayor martin chavez, is in support of bull-dozing through
the monument in order to extend a road to connect the growing west side to
the east???

ar:  right, that's been going on a while, hasn't it?

kh:  well, actually, just recently has it really reached any governmental
levels.  any thoughts and/or words of advice for stopping this?

ar:  well, it can happen.  i mean, there's so many victories that we've seen.
in fact, we just heard today there was a goldmine in montana, it was just
horrible, they were getting ready to expand and everybody banded together and
there was a real good grass roots movement and political action cards and
they stopped it.  and no one thought they'd be able to at first.  it was on
of these impossible battles.  but, i really think on a grass roots level,
getting people to write letters and make phone calls and making the
politicians understand that their constituency disagrees with what they're
getting ready to do.  because votes, you know, that's what they want, they
want to get the votes.  and i just think you have to plug away at it in your
own community.  i mean, other people and groups can come in and help you, you
know, indigenous environmental network and things like that, but the
community suportt has to be there for it to change.

kh:  okay, in an article that you wrote, i think back in 1995, you wrote, "as
an idealist, i thought all environmentalists had the same basic goals and
interests.  no way! it is rare for mainstream environmental groups to focus
on indigenous people on their boards.  most of these groups are out saving
the earth so we can hike around, go mountain biking, have a picnic or show
our kids what a moose looks like, as opposed to the native communities that
depend on the land for their survival and spiritual practices."  what do you
see as key to educating mainstream environmenatlists about native
environmentalism?

ar:  oh. . . that's a good one . . .

kh:  when i read the article, i just started thinking that most people who
consider themselves "environmentalists" don't even think about that
opposition within.

ar:  well, they don't.  i didn't until i got into the indigenous groups and
realized that the sierra club was fighting for management of tribal land,
things like that.  i do't know how to educate people about that because the
mainstream environmental groups, a lot of them have the best intentions and
they don't even realize what they're doing.  but, some of them are just too
arrogant; and they think they know how to handle something better than the
indigenous people.  they make gross stereotypes, too.  they say, "well, if we
give it to the indians, they'll set up a bingo parlor or they'll sell it to a
nuclear waste dump ..." they don't even realize that they're making a gross
stereotype and they're so arrogant and it's like, i don't know how to educate
people to not be arrogant.  what i've seen is that the indigenous people, the
activists i've worked with, they know how to manage land and they've been
doing it for a long time, a lot longer than we have, and they've done a
better job than we have.  and i just think, if there was a way to have a
conference that combined indegenous environmental groups and mainstream white
groups, where they talked about issues, that would help a lot.  and the other
thing that could be done, like greenpeace tries to do, is put indigenous
people on their board of directors.  if you do that you're going to solve a
lot of problems because you're going to have another word in there and i'ts
going to be represented.  so, those are some things.  i think it's a long
processs, but i think it can be done.

kh:  that's so true.  i know the indigo girls are part of the lilith fair.
what can you tell us about it?

ar:  well, it's a cool thing.  sarah's a great woman.  god bless her for
putting it together.  it's great, i mean our take on this is we love doing
festivals anyway, no matter if it's all women or men or whatever, we just
love being in big groups of musicians.

kh:  that's the first time i saw you, at the earth day festival in 1990
[washington, d.c.]

ar:  oh yeah?  we just love it because you get to hear everybody else play,
and go knock on everybody's dressing rooms and ask them to come do songs with
you, and that's what we're going to do, we're going to bug everybody.  so, my
take is that it's a cool thing.  i want to take it to the next level at some
point.  i want sarah to get a bunch of punk bands on the bill or world music,
you know, and represent some other styles.  and i think she'll do it,
eventually, but you know, this is the first step in what could be a festival
that grows.  it's very cool.

kh:  i've got two pretty crazy questions for you.  what is your idea of a
perfect society?

ar:  oh man [laughs]... wow ... well, sustainable, so that you don't have
to...and one that doesn't use more than...overconsume.  it would be nice to
get back to the idea of extended families.  i think those are very good
societies because they tend to take care of each other really well.  and i
think an even balance of power, obviously, you know, and those are the
elements, i think, if you have an even balance of power between women and
men, your community will be sustainable and it will have extended families.
that's what i believe, but i think it takes all kinds-- all types-- so i
don't have a lot of rules about it.

kh:  so, you wouldn't say all women only?

ar:  no, i wouldn't feel that way.  i'd miss the men, you know [laughs].  i
don't know many people that would say all men.  you need the balance you need
the dichotomy in order to understand how good you have it [laughs].

kh:  how true that is.  who is your favorite goddess?

ar:  my favorite goddess?  i'll have to say ani difranco [laughs].

kh:  ani ...

ar:  although she doesn't want to be a goddess, so she won't like it, but
she's my favorite goddess.

kh:  what an answer.

ar:  she's going to kill me for saying that.

kh:  for so many of us, the indigo girls truly are the voices of women
everywhere.  why do you think that the indigo girls' music has remained,
despite gramys and other stuff, such an inspiration to women's lives?

ar:  well, i don't know...i guess we're just lucky.  we're very honest and we
have people around us to keep us in line, i would say [laughs].

kh:  i think we all need those...

ar:  yeah, we appreciate our women followng... and i love women.  i mean, i
just really love women.  i love men, too, but you know it's like sometimes
you look up from what you're doing and you go, "i love women."  theres just
something about them and so, just celebrate it.

the end

god, i'm proud to be a woman!
peace,
kathy

"life is what happens while you're making other plans."-- j. lennon

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date:         sat, 16 aug 1997 10:40:44 -0500
reply-to:     leah beth kaplan <indigirl@ix.netcom.com>
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from:         leah beth kaplan <indigirl@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      michelle shocked @ ravinia (nigc)

i saw michelle shocked at ravinia last night! great show!  of course
the crowd sucked and security were dipshits, but ya know, ya make it
what it can be.  michelle is so good to see live.  she's a wonderful
performer, even with a crowd that was terribly lame and all their
mearly to drink wine and eat cheese, she gave a wonderful performance.
my friend and i brought flowers up to her at one point in the show, she
loved them and gave my friend and i each a kiss on the nose!
if you ever get a chance to see michelle live, do it!!!  i've seen her
3 times and each time she just rocks the house!
    sorry for wasting bandwidth!
        leah

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date:         sat, 16 aug 1997 12:13:34 -0400
reply-to:     mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
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subject:      nigc-nanci griffith "last" tour
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i don't know how many nanci griffith fans are on the list, but she is
embarking on what she has called her final & farewell tour before she
retires from performing (yep, retires from performing!). for those
interested here is her latest tour schedule. (if you want to know about
on-sale dates, etc - you're on your own):

date             city                    venue
====             ====                    =====
aug
sat  aug 23     estes park, co          rocky mountain folk festival
sun  aug 24     boulder, co             e-town (radio)
sep
thu  sep 04     richmond, va            carpenter center
fri  sep 05     vienna, va              wolf trap
sat  sep 06     philadelphia, pa        tower theater
mon  sep 08     terrytown, ny           music hall
tue  sep 09     new london, ct          garde arts center
wed  sep 10     northampton, ma         pines theater
thu  sep 11     new york, ny            david letterman
fri  sep 12     new york, ny            hammerstein ballroom
sat  sep 13     boston, ma              harbour lights
sun  sep 14     wilmington, de          grand opera house
tue  sep 16     portland, me            merrill auditorium
wed  sep 17     burlington, vt          flynn theater
thu  sep 18     burlinton, vt           flynn theater
sun  sep 21     greenville, sc          mcallister auditorium
mon  sep 22     atlanta, ga             symphony hall
tue  sep 23     atlanta, ga             symphony hall
sat  sep 27     santa cruz, ca          kpig fat fry festival
oct
fri  oct 03     knoxville, tn           tennessee theater
sat  oct 04     birmingham, al          alabama theater
sun  oct 05     cincinati, oh           taft theater
tue  oct 07     columbus, oh            palace theater
wed  oct 08     ann arbor, mi           hill auditorium
thu  oct 09     chicago, il             rosemont
sat  oct 11     st. paul, mn            orpheum theater
sun  oct 12     milwaukee, wi           modjeska
mon  oct 13     st. louis, mo           westport playhouse
wed  oct 15     tba
thu  oct 16     tba
fri  oct 17     tba
sat  oct 18     austin, tx              austin music hall
sun  oct 19     austin, tx              austin city limits
tue  oct 21     new orleans, la         house of blues
wed  oct 22     nashville, tn           ryman auditorium


that's all the info i have thus far on the subject; other than knowing
that many dates have already gone on-sale. (how many dates, which ones,
when, etc?-- like i said at the top-- you're on your own!)
:-)
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date:         sat, 16 aug 1997 11:09:39 -0400
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from:         "j. k." <kshucks@juno.com>
subject:      small indigo moment in cape cod
x-cc:         igboston@palin.mit.edu

hi kind friends, list members, and y'all in general @=d

i was sitting in a restaurant in hyannis (cape cod) and lo and behold, an
indigo girls song come on...not the somewhat radio-popular "shame on you"
or "galileo" or "ghost" or "closer to fine," but dum de dum...."kid
fears" the version with michael stipe in it!....very cool!...i was just
very surprised that it wasn't one of the songs that most deejays like to
play like the ones aforementioned...kid fears!!!...@=d and that's my
small indigo moment...

~~~activism~~~equality~~~~peace~~~~
jenny korn
__kshucks@juno.com__
thailand~alabama~boston
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date:         sat, 16 aug 1997 12:56:06 -0400
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from:         shana smulyan <knave4@aol.com>
subject:      re: ig privacy issues (yes, again!)

in a message dated 97-08-15 22:32:24 edt, bonnemot@aol.com writes:

<< and on the general issue of the mean temperedness i've noted lately, i'm
going out on a limb here to say this, but i think some of the flaming type
stuff and hot tempered stuff around here is not that big of a deal, it's
just
a factor of the age of the person.  you get more reasonable as you get
older,
and if you get any therapy at all, you get a lot less judging.  plus i think
some people see that behavior as reflective somehow of how cool and hip they
are. >>

um... i'm not trying to flame anyone, but i'd like to point out that this is
a big generalization, and could be offensive to some of us younger list
members.  i'm 17 and know adults who are less reasonable, more judging, and
overall less mature than myself.  if someone thinks mean tempered behavior is
a reflection of how cool and hip they are, they probably just have a warped
view of reality having nothing to do with their age.

west of bishes
shana

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subject:      summer bootlegs

hey everybody,

i just returned to the list from being at summer camp (indigo girls heaven)
for 8 weeks so i have missed a lot.  anyways.  i was wondering if anybody has
boots of the summer shows they would be willing to trade ??? also i am still
trying to get my hands on a copy of the  great woods tape... so if anybody is
interested lemme know : )

peace
sasha

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from:         tony at mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu>
subject:      tone of list and weight issues, was ig privacy issues
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>in a message dated 97-08-15 22:32:24 edt, bonnemot@aol.com writes:
>
><< and on the general issue of the mean temperedness i've noted lately,

in all fairness, while there has been some discussion lately, the worst
i've seen the list was during exam season this spring, when many of the
college folks -- myself included -- got downright snippy.

the privacy issue is important, and it's only natural we're going to feel
strongly about it. as long as we keep our focus on the music, we'll be fine.

sidenote: i have a lot of trouble maintaining my weight. (inability to
digest fat) it was only in the last year that i got *up* to 130 pounds.
thus, when people gain weight, it's not always a problem; my parents, on
the other hand, are always happy to loose some. so bear in mind that
changes one way or the other may not mean what we think.

tony
....................
tony at mendina                   "the only thing to prevent
mendina@utdallas.edu              what's past is to put a stop
dallas, texas usa                 to it before it happens."
972-907-1057                        --sir boyle roche

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subject:      wash.dc show ?
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hey! :)

does anyone know when the warner theater, wash.dc, tix
go on sale???  any help is greatly appreciated!!!

:) eric

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subject:      need milw lf ticket!
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if anyone has, or knows of an extra lilith ticket for tuesday's show in
milwaukee, please let me know...it's urgent!

~abigail

"there's been a lot of speculation about what causes homosexuality. so far,
no one seems to know. although, in our family, i was the only one who would
drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
                    ~bob smith

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hey there, i noticed the calgary sun article that was posted today and was
wondering if anyone on the list is planning to go to the lilith fair next
friday here in calgary.  if there's anyone going, we should plan a little
list gathering.  what do you think?  let me know.

sean

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subject:      re: indigo girls announce 1997 honor the earth tour (fwd)

<< dates subject to change:
september 7             st. regis mohawk community              near
syracuse, ny
                         at akwesasne (part of six nations confederacy)
september 8             shea's
                                         buffalo, ny
september 10            palace theater                          albany, ny
>>

wow, this kinda scares me since i have tickets to a concert on sept 9th in
syracuse and it isn't listed.  does the sept 9th concert still exist as far
as anyone knows????

cheers (even tho' i'm quivering in my boots--i've got 2nd row to this show,
they can't cancel it)
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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from:         kristina d vaskys <cheesehed@juno.com>
subject:      ig moment

yesterday, i walked into sam goody's and what should be playing
but....hey kind friend!! i turned to my friend who was with me (who had
never heard, or heard of, ig--poor deprived soul!) and said something
along the lines of,
"indigogirlsindigogirlsindigogirls--listenlistenlisten!!!" then one of
the salespeople told me, "this song is from their new album." (as if i
didn't know that!) she must have thought i was crazy. (well, maybe i
am...... :o) )

kristina :o)

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i didnt write this im only sharing it with the list be warned there is
swearing in it but this is for all the folks asking how to bootleg
concerts
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     welcome to freebage iv!  the fourth file in the freebage
series.  if you don't have any of the first three, get em
while you can!  the first two explain techniques of getting
things for free.  the third is a story about the use of these
techniques by telling about getting into the super bowl for
free.  it's quite a long file, and is all true!
     ok, this is entitled "bootleggage".  bootleggage
discusses taping and bootlegging concerts.  if you have ever
tried this, you know it can be hard.  the outcome can be very
profitable, too, if you get a good tape and the music is
"desirable" to bootleg collectors.  so, on with freebage iv:
bootleggage!


****
ol!
****

     your favorite band is coming to town and you got great
tickets.  you haven't seen them in years, and it's probally
the last time they will tour.  you manage to sneak in your
walkman recorder into the concert hoping to preserve these
moments in history.  when it's all over you can't wait to
hear how it all came out.  you run to the parking lot and pop
the tape in your car deck.  you rewind it with fury, you
can't fucking wait!  you stop it in the middle to see how it
sounds.  hmmm..this can't be right, it's like listening to
bugs in a tin can!  somehow the whole thing got fucked up.
it must be the deck, you think to yourself.  well, it's too
late now to do anything about it, you made a two hour
recording of large reverberations and crowd noise.
     so, what can you do to get a good tape out of a concert?
the concepts are fairly simple.  it all depends on several
things, though, but once you are familiar with them you can
achieve high-fidelity recordings even if the hall is an echo
pit.


****
huh?
****

     okay.  first thing that you need is a good deck.  not
something you bought at a flea market that has a little slit
in it labeled "mic".  you need something that at least records
in stereo.  that's (if you didn't know) where you are
recording two channels at once.  you can pay anywhere from
$50.00 to $500.00 for one of these.  the price usually
depends on the brand name and the size of the deck.  also it
depends on the features.  if you have the money to get a nice
one (or some other method of getting one), get it.  it will
do much better in the long run.  when looking for a deck you
will want to look for these things:

     * 2 microphone jacks, labeled l and r, or a jack that
has a stereo adapter to be used with l and r microphones.
     * dolby of some sort.  i like to use dolby c.  dolby b
is good also, but any will help.
     * variable level controls.  this is so you can adjust
the input levels.  decks with automatic levels record all one
volume, and then when the sound drops out, the levels rise,
also you get a drop out when a loud sound is made, knocking
the levels down until they can raise back up to a desired
level.
     * speed control.  this is good for tuning the tape, or
changing speeds.  also, you can maybe get a better frequency
response if you run the tape at the fastest speed, but then
you have to use the same deck to make copied of the tape.
     * a radio on the deck.  this is because if you get
stopped with it at the door and they ask what it is just say
"a radio" and tune it in.  i have told them that a couple
times when caught, and they say "i guess radios are allowed,
just not tape decks".  (yea most of them are dumb asses)
this works good with the very small tape decks.

     alright, if you get a deck with these things you should
be set.  the levels aren't that important, only if you are
striving for a really good tape to maybe commercialize.  you
do have to remember that some places confiscate decks if they
catch you sneaking one in, so be ready to lose it.  if you
can't afford a real expensive one, a cheaper one will do
until you get used to sneaking them into shows.
     microphones.  you gotta get some good ones, not little
tape recorder ones that you get with those voice recorders,
but ones made for music recording.  i have used some radio
shack mic's, the ones that look like magic markers, only
longer.  they are very thin.  they require one aa (i think,
the real small ones) battery each, and have a long cord.  you
need to get two of them, to use the stereo sound option.  if
you have a deck with just one plug, you need to make an
adapter that will let you plug the two mic's in and get
stereo sound.  this isn't hard to do, you can even buy a
cable for it from radio shack for like 5 bucks.  oh, the
mic's are like 19.95 each.  what is good about the
microphones is that they are small and can be fit into your
shoes upon entering a show.  i have also used the "2 headed"
stereo microphone from radio shack.  it works okay, but is
kind of awkward to sneak in.  when you have the deck and the
mic's you are set, all you need to do is get the supplies,
tapes and batteries.
     tapes make a big difference in the sound quality of the
recording.  don't use a cheap tape.  a good tape can make you
some bucks, so don't get something that won't sound good.  i
always use denon metal tapes, 60 minutes.  longer tapes can
get eaten easily in a walkman type deck, and since most
people at a show will be moving around a bit, you will be
most likely shaking the deck a little.  this improves the
chances of getting the tape sucked up.  a 60 minute is a good
size without the same chances of getting eaten.  batteries are
easy to get too.. i'm sure you know which are good, get some
good alkaline ones, and make sure that you are carrying a
couple sets.  it's not a waste to have too many batteries,
you can always use them next time.


*******************
i'm losing my mind!
*******************

     it's the day of the show and you need to plan your
entrance.  if you live up north, chances are that it will be
cold.  then you can wear a heavy jacket.  this is where a
small deck will be good.  i have used heavy jackets to put
the deck in the lining in the back of it, with padding all
around the deck, so when they pat you down they won't feel
it.  i don't think i have ever been caught doing it that way.
if you don't have a jacket like that, or it's too hot, like
it always is here in florida, you gotta find another place
for the deck.  something you can do is go to the show and
watch people going in before you decide where to put the
deck.  check out the security and watch where they are
patting the people down, then put the deck where they aren't
feeling.  sometimes they avoid the lower leg, then you can
put it in your sock, or maybe they don't reach the back of
you, so you can tuck it in your pants in back of you.  if you
are a large person you have lots of hiding places.  i am
quite thin, so i have a hard time getting a deck in.
     if you are caught with it, don't let them have it!  if
they find it, act cool about it.  try telling them it's just
a radio.  they might buy it.  if they say "let me see it"
then show it to them, but don't let them handle it.  once
they grab it, they won't give it back.  so don't let them
touch it, if they have a problem with it tell them you are
taking it back to your car, then wait a while and try to go
into a different entrance.  if you make sure to watch the
guards before you enter the arena, then you should be able to
get it in with no problem.
     if you are at a show where they are using metal
detectors, or wands, you are fucked.  you will have to be
more drastic.  i have heard of people using wheelchairs to
get stuff in.  the security never would think of searching a
wheelchair real good, especially if you make yourself up to
look like you are in really bad shape!  i used this method
once, and it was to get a camcorder into a show.  i put it in
the bottom case in a wheelchair that looked like it was
electric, but it was gutted out so that there would be room.
i was all wrapped up in blankets and made up with t-shirts to
match the band, buttons and banners, and drool.  i was not
making fun of handicapped people, i am not like that, but i
was only using this method to get my camera in.  it worked,
too.


**********************************************************
"i can't fucking breathe in here!  there's so much smoke!!
**********************************************************

     now you should be inside.  the hard part is over, well
at least some of the hard stuff is.  now you have to locate
yourself to get a good tape.  a lot of people make the simple
mistake of not being in the right place to get a good tape.
simply enough, the closer to the amps the better.  this is
good because it reduces crowd noise.  if you can adjust your
deck, make sure you adjust the levels during the opening act.
never let the meters red line or you will get distortion.  if
you can, get a pair of the really small earphones, the ones
that look like earplugs with wires.  then you can "practice"
taping by taping the opening band in different places in the
auditorium.  then before the main band comes on, review the
tape and find out which placement has the best sound.  it is
important when making a good tape, to try to get as much
stereo separation as possible.  often bands will pipe their
instruments into the p.a. in stereo, so it is good to pick
this up.  when making the practice tape, talk into the mic so
that you will know where you were.  you only have to record
in each spot for about 30 seconds.  when you have found a
good spot, then get ready for the main band!
     alright, one thing that is important about recording,
microphone placement.  before you even go to the show you
should know where and how you will place your microphones.
if you have the two skinny ones i mentioned above, then you
can do many things with them.  a really good, and simple,
place for them to go would be a hat.  you just stick them in
your hat poking out forwards, and you've got them lined up
just where you are looking.  the drawbacks to this are if you
turn your head around then the sound will "sway" a little.
also, if you are short, you will hear the person behind you
yelling at the top of their lungs.  this isn't too good.
but, if you are tall, or can stand on top of a chair the
whole show, then cool.  another good place for mics is a
banner.  this is something that you have to plan ahead to do.
all you gotta do is make up a banner with the band's logo on
it, like you see people waving around, and put it on some
sort of pole.  ok, the banner will be strung across a t at
the top of the pole.  then, you gotta wire in the microphones
at either end of the t.  this will result in great stereo,
and barely any individual crowd noise.  the crowd noise will
sound like it should, far away, and only between songs.  this
method is one of the best for making a really good tape.
just be sure that if you try it that you find a place where
when you put the banner up there aren't people behind you
yelling for you to move it so they can see.  so be sure to
make it tall enough.  i'll leave some creativity to you.
     you should be able to find out how you like to hold the
mics.  there are many variations.  if you are with a friend,
then you can maybe hold one mic each in hats.  this works
good if you are standing together.  you can get good stereo
effect if you stand as far apart as the cords will let you.
     now, when you are making the tape, you should be timing
from the point when you started it.  be sure that when it is
near 30 minutes that you flip the tape very fast.  don't wait
for the tape to end, then you will lost valuable time.  the
reason for this is because the leader tape is usually five
seconds, and it takes about two or three seconds to flip the
tape.  taking into account the leader tape on each side, you
lose about 13 seconds if you wait till the end at least.  so,
before it gets to the leader, flip the tape.  then you lose
maybe only four seconds maximum.  you can also tell how close
it is by looking at the spools and seeing how much tape is
left on the small spool.  if it is almost nothing, then flip
the muther.  also, when you need to switch to another tape,
get it out and ready to pop in so the transfer takes only a
coupe seconds.  have the new tape forwarded past the leader
so that you don't lose more time.  as soon as you swap tapes,
take the one that is full of the recordings, and pop out the
tabs so that you don't fuck it up.  it's easy to pop in the
already used tape when flipping them like this.  so take the
precaution and pop out the tabs.
     now you should have a pretty good recording of the show,
depending on all the things i mentioned above.  congratulate
yourself on a job well done.


************************
flea market au gratin...
************************


     you've got a really good tape now, and you want to know
what the hell to do with it.  well the first thing you should
do is make a copy for yourself to listen to.  don't use the
originals to play all the time, especially if you are going
to be listening to them in a car.  when you make copies, make
them on a good deck, or if you used fast speed on your
recorder, then you have to use the recorder to make the
copies.  all this is common sense, so you should be able to
make good copies.
     before you go and make copied for all your friends, make
sure that there isn't any commercial value to this tape.  if
you know you can get some money for it, then only give a copy
to friends that you can trust, because you don't want them to
make the money themselves.  it can sometimes be good to sell
them at a record store on consignment.  there are lots of
record stores around that sell bootlegs.  they are often ones
that will say "collectors" or "used" records.  talk to them
about the tape that you have.  they will probally want to
hear it.  make sure, though, that you trust them.  you don't
want them to buy one tape then turn around and make multiple
copies for themselves to sell.
     when you do something like sell a tape at a store, you
will need to package it.  often, bootleg tapes are generic
looking, with photo copied wrappers.  if you make a nice
looking package, then you can get more money for it.  also,
it's a good idea to make the tape "limited", like only print
up 100 or 200, etc.  or if you are going to making a lot,
then make the first 100 "special" like make the wrapper
color, or number them or something.  things like this are
looked for by collectors.  the only problem with tapes though
is that they aren't too desirable by serious collectors
unless they have a really good sound quality or are something
unique.  say, for instance, that blue oyster cult is playing
a show and you go to tape it, and some nut jumps on stage and
sets the singer's hair on fire, and as a result they play a 2
hour version of "godzilla", then having this on tape will be
very collectable.  it is a bit extreme, but you can see what
i mean.  also, it's good when the band mentions where they
are at.  like on a dio tape that i made he screams "it's
great to be here in lakeland florida!!".  now something like
that is cool because people in the area who saw the show
would be interested in that tape because they were there and
shit.
     when you make the wrapper, you can use a copy machine if
you don't care about color.  it's good to make something that
makes fun of the band.  people who collect things of just a
single band like to find unusual packaging.  find a picture
of the band and mix it in with something that doesn't quite
fit, like paste them into a picture with a bunch of naked
gals.  the more creative, the better.  a good example of
someone who has been exploited to the hilt is frank zappa.
there are hundreds of zappa bootlegs floating around.  i know
a few people who would pay $30.00 for one even if it's shit,
just to have a copy.
     ok, that's tapes, what about albums?  if you want to
spend the money, you can have the tape pressed into vinyl.
this can cost anywhere from a few hundred to a few thousand
bucks.  most independant record factories will press an album
without question.  if they do have a problem, then make sure
that you don't get the jacket printed there.  get them
printed at a printer that you can trust.  bootlegs are very
widespread now, and it can be quite easy to find a
manufacturer that will press your tape into a record.
     records are what are most sought after by collectors.
if you make a really good tape into some well made albums,
then you can make some good cash.  the same things that make
tapes more desirable make records even more so desirable.
collectors love something "special", like limited edition
fold out picture sleeves (expensive to make, but you can sell
them for about $20-40.00 each).  also, colored vinyl is a
good thing to do.  some of my favorite bootleg albums are on
colored vinyl.  i have a few that only the first 10-100
printed were on colored, the rest were on regular black.
this is also a good idea to do if you want to make a really
first quality bootleg.
     other things, when printing up the labels or sleeves,
don't put your name one them!  it's hard not to do, because
you'd like to have your name known, but don't do it!  also,
make sure you list all the songs on the outside of the album,
so that when someone finds one, they will be more apt to
purchase it because it has the songs they want.  make lots of
liner notes about the show, and how the band was.  "rate"
each song.... people like a lot of shit on an album, and the
more there is the better they are!  it's really good if you
have pics from the same concert too.


*******
lights!
*******

     what if you want to video tape?  well, it's harder,
mainly because you can't slide a camcorder into your drawers,
(at least not yet).  so, you have to use other methods.  one
i mentioned before, a wheelchair.  i think this is the best
method, although you may think of something better or equal.
if you are going to video, be sure that you have all the
little lights taped off on the camera, they can be spotted
easily by security.  it's not like having a little deck that
you can keep down, you will be holding the camera up to head
level.
     one thing i tried before was simple and effective.  i
put a wig on the camera, and went out into the field where
the crowd was packed in tight.  the camera looked like just
another head from a distance, and since the security people
don't like to get into the crowds, i was safe as can be.  the
only thing wrong with this was since there was a packed crowd
around me, i was bumped a lot, which you don't want on video.
you need to find a place that you can remain fairly still.
     if you are doing video, make sure that you audio also.
as long as you are sneaking in a big camera it won't be
anything harder to get in your deck.  so then afterwards if
you have a stereo vcr, you can mix the sound in for top-
quality audio!  a video tape with stereo sound of a big band
will get you anywhere from $50.00 to $300.00 a pop!


**************
what the fuck?
**************

     well, this has covered just about everything... but..
soundboard tapes.  a soundboard tape is a tape that you
record off of the soundboard!  simple, eh?  these tapes are
of the best quality of the band, but they lack crowd noise.
if you can get the sound man to record a tape for you, cool,
get it.  soundboard recordings are much more rare than
regular ones, so it's a good idea to try to get one.
     when you go to a show, try to locate the sound guy.  if
you want, you can offer him money to record the show, or
sometimes they will ask for drugs, etc.  sometimes, though,
they will do it for free!  i don't know if it's because they
get pissed off at the bands, or don't care or what, but when
it happens, it's good!
     a lot of soundboards have a built in deck.  if they got
one of those just tell the guy you'd like to record with it,
or else bring cables that you know will work in a board.
this can be good, but if he records in the board, it may be
an unusual tape speed, then you will have to locate someone
with an appropriate deck later on.  if you have the chance to
get a board tape, get it, worry about computability later.
if by good luck you can use the built in deck, that means
that you can use your own deck to record the regular way,
then you have two good, and different, tapes of the show!
     when you listen to a soundboard tape, it's kind of
boring.  that's because there's no crowd noise, and no
overdubs.  it's a raw tape of exactly what is being pumped
through the monitors.  so, you can hear every little thing
the band does, from missing a note to talking to each other
between songs.  some people have taken a soundboard tape, and
a microphoned tape and mixed them into one, so that you get
soundboard quality with just a little bit of crowd noise to
fill it out just right.  this is a lot what bands do
themselves when they make a live album.  they record through
the board, then add in cheering between the songs, and
sometimes boost it during the songs.  the only difference is
that the bands will most likely put tons of overdubs and echo
effects over the live stuff to make them sound better.
that's why a good board tape is the ultimate!


************************************
ther're orbs hovering above my eyes!
************************************

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date:         sat, 16 aug 1997 18:05:36 -0700
reply-to:     christine allen <spirits4@m-art.com>
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hi all,

last night, chris and i went to see the opening of contact (the movie
starring jodie foster)-- yes, it just opened here in this movie-forsaken
dustbowl haven of nothingness--and we loved it!  we were standing in the
lobby after the movie and overheard a few people saying how they were still
trying to figure it out and how it wasn't what they expected....i know, if
any of you have seen it, you're probably thinking the same thing we were,
"how can you miss the point of that movie????????"  anyway, after hearing
these comments, we both agreed that eiiot very beautifully captured the
meaning of that moment...as we got in our car to drive away, the sots tape
came on and guess what was playing .....eiiot :)))

in awe of emily, amy, and jodie ;)
rachel & chris

p.s. i love it when jodie says..."...they should've sent a poet..."
(emily;) ?)
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"a lesson learned a loving god and things in their own time, in nothing
more do i trust, we own nothing, nothing is ours, not even love so fierce
it burns like baby stars..."  emily saliers

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date:         sat, 16 aug 1997 22:27:39 -0400
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subject:      kudos to daemon/pbs show aug 13?/valdosta tix info?

kudos to daemon records for having a 50% off sale all during the month of
august.  can i just say that i became the capitalist pig queen of the world
when my loving <koff> brother said i could use his credit card?  i wont tell
how much i spent but i will say that the triple-figure amount is gonna take a
bite out of my next paycheck for sure! :)  but it was worth it.  if you
havent been to the sale yet, go!!!!!!  http://www.monsterbit.com/daemon/

pbs show august 13 did anyone see this?  i'm a dork and i forgot to program
my vcr..... if you saw it, what was presented?  was it worth begging for a
copy?

valdosta ticket info if anyone knows when tix go on sale for the oct 18 show
in valdosta, please let me know....... also if anyone knows whether or not
this show will be an hte show?

thanks everybody!

peace, harmony, and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism
  ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
   ~president, grlchasr26 fan club
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"and he said, you can't buy anything.  and i said well why not?
and he said, cause you're in my front yard!
boy did i feel as white as the snow!"
-amy ray
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hey folks...sorry for the nigc but just letting our atlanta area listers
know about an upcoming show at eddie's....i'll simply reprint the info i was
given....

on march 30, 1997, teresa loggins, a loyal supporter of the atlanta music
scene, was severely injured when her car was struck by an uninsured,
unlicensed driver in grant park. teresa remained in critical condition at
grady's icu for 3 weeks and was transferred to piedmont hospital for 6
weeks. she has undergone massive recontructive surgery on her face and
pelvis and requires further reconstructive surgery on her leg. she is now in
physical therapy at athens regional hospital and making amazing progress.
this benefit is meant not only to raise money to help offset teresa's
medical costs but also as a chance for us to celebrate her remarkable
recovery. teresa continues to display remarkable courage, strength amd
optimism. please show your support by coming to eddie's attic on wednesday,
august 20th.

start time is 8 pm and cover is a measly 6 bucks.

performers: (this is the list i was sent and subject to change)
caroline aiken
engine
kodac harrison
josh joplin
matthew kahler
kevin lawson
lift (this one's iffy)
shawn mullins
one without
orange heat
radiant city
reversing hour
uncle mark reynolds
dede vogt

as you can see from this list teresa is well loved on the atlanta music
scene. teresa's been my friend for 8 years since i met her while waiting in
line for an ig concert (wow, i guess there is igc!!! ;) ) and it's great to
see the community give back some of the support that she's given them over
the years.

hope to see you there.....

kat

                      "if i let you do it to me, can
                       we still call it suicide?"
                             - cooper seay

                       " without love you can only resist,
                          without feeling you can't exist."
                                     - melissa ferrick

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hi! i also would like to trade for some summer bootlegs, in particular,
the june 30 show in mesa, az. also, the abc affiliate here isn't airing
the view and i would love a copy of it if anyone is willing!  thanks!

lin

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hey everyone!
it's been a while, and i'm not actually back on the list yet, but i had to
post my review of lilith!!!!  what an awesome show!  i'm sure it was similar
to other lilith shows, but i've been off the list, so forgive me if i repeat
familiar stuff.
first, let me just say that the line up should have been jewel, ig, then
sarah.  jewel is good, but hey, she's not a or e.
anyway, amy wore the burgandy shirt with white polka dots/checks and indigo
colored pants (cords? jeans?).  emily wore a loose black shirt and green
jeans.  they were both beautiful!!!  sara wore black leather pants and red
boots, jerry wore a black shirt and i couldn't see if he wore a skirt or not.
the setlist included (probably not in this exact order, and i may have
forgotten one or two):
shed your skin, galileo, gotm, kid fears (yay!), ghost, chickenman (no soc
but a was really into it), soy, water is wide (so was my mouth - wide open
during this awesome song with sarah and jewel) and ctf (meredith brooks knew
the words this time).
tami and i scammed down to amazing seats during the ig set, and afterwards
scored a back stage pass!!! unfortunately mostly everyone was gone by then,
but i did get to pet sarah's dog rex.
now i absolutely must get a boot of this show, or really any other lilith
show that includes the water is wide quartet.  i have tons (over 100) boots
to trade so please  contact me (even though i promised my new husband i
would stop trading!) if there are some in circulation.  remember i'm off the
list (until probably september) but occasionally check my email.
i miss you guys a lot!
see you soon
lori


"this could be the saddest dusk i've ever seen turn to a miracle"
                                            rem

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sorry it has taken me a week to get around to writing this.  here goes....

prior to the show - as twink mentioned earlier - my friend heather, who
just joined this list by the way, and i met with twink and others at tgif.
what a blast we had eating and chatting away, mostly about the girls.

then we headed up to polaris for the long wait... we went to one parking
spot and no one was there so i turned the car around and found another
entrance.  this one was for vip, handicapped and entrance to the box
office.  they let us in but assumed that i was dropping heather off as she
has a broken ankle.  we just happened to park and sit in the car for a few
minutes and no one attempted to come and make us move.  so, we had the most
excellent parking spot for the show and were second in line to go into the
venue.  hee, hee.  of course heather was paranoid the whole entire show
that we'd be towed or arrested.  silly girl.  i was thrilled to see the car
when we returned.

anyway, first thing i did was run in and get us our lawn seats, very front
of the lawn, dead center.  then after meeting up with the rest of our
party.... twink and barb, cassie, don and deidre, kelly and daryl...we
asked the folks sitting next to us if they would mind watching our beloved
spot while we went to check out michelle malone singing on the side stage.
off we went and luckily i don't think we had missed much - maybe a song.  i
have to say that two months ago i could not have told you who michelle
malone was ...but thanks to twink aka bridget who sent me a tape with lots
of her stuff on it, i have to admit i think she is a very talented lady.
she really rocks!!  as we were all standing there jamming to her music and
sweet voice i happened to look around at the crowd and to my left was amy
ray.  standing there and enjoying the music as well, and occasionally
smiling a big amy ray smile at mm.  i was tranced!!  tried not to stand
there with my mouth wide open and staring, so went back to watching mm.
after mm performance, amy agreed to sign deidre's autograph (she is 8 years
old and cute as could be).  then off amy went to another side stage act
.... and off i went to follow her.  i stayed my distance from her but
admired her awesome presence from afar ...giving her space to enjoy the
show.  a few people asked for autographs while she was watching (which i
have to say i believe was very rude), and she graciously denied their
request.

okay, i know i'm rambling but i don't want to leave anything important out.
after standing there close to amy i went back to the borders booth and mm
was sitting down and signing autographs.  i got in line (which wasn't too
long) and told her that i very much enjoyed listening to her music, she
said thanks, and asked who to make the autograph out to.  cool lady!

next, back to the blanket to wait for the first performance at the main
stage.  i believe it was lisa loeb.  i have to admit i don't know a lot of
her stuff except for stay, which i love.  she has a very angelic voice and
interesting material.  enjoyed her, but was very anxious for the girls to
come on.  next was jewel i believe.  i have very mixed emotions about her.
i didn't expect much, so i must say she proved me wrong.  that girl can
sing her heart out.  what a voice.  she sang her 3 songs that she is most
noted for, as well as a lot of other stuff, even a gershwin song
(summertime) i believe.  the next performer i missed completely as i was in
the food line for the entire performance and then some.  oh, well.  emmylou
harris sounded pretty good, but i have never actually been that into her,
so she was a good one for me to miss, i guess.  okay.....after emmylou i
knew it was only a matter of time before the girls came on...it seemed like
the longest wait of the entire day.

they came out and for the life of me i can't tell you the set list.  this
was the first time i've seen the girls live, and they just absolutely blew
me away.  i'm at a loss for words to explain to you the emotions that come
threw in their music for me.  it was just a very moving experience for me,
as well as a lot of fun.  my friend heather knew bits and pieces of ig
songs as i had been priming her weeks in advance to listen to many tapes of
mine.  by the time of the show she was actually singing shame on you, get
out the map, and parts of ctf.  yea heather.  she has now been officially
converted into an ig fan, and wants to go see them perform again live.
whoo heww!!

i hate to mention the appearances of the girls - because of all the flaming
that has been going on the list for the past few days.  lets just say they
both looked absolutely beautiful to me (both inside and out).  they seemed
to be having a good time on stage - making that beautiful music together as
only the two of them can do. i thought it was really cool during ctf when
everyone came back on stage with them  to sing this one.  what a vibe in
the air.  also, i was glad they did galileo (another one that heather knew)
- you go girl....

their set came to a close, leaving me wanting more.  much more!!  oh, i
can't wait until they play here again by themselves.  anyone tape the
performance?  if so, please write me and let me know.

after the girls, we left - nothing against sarah, but we didn't know her
music and were very tired and wanted to clear the parking situation before
it became shere madness. another attendee said it took them an hour and a
half to get out (no thanks).

well, that's all that i can think of.  oh, btw...hi erin.  she is on the
list too, and i had written to her telling her what i would be wearing and
where i'd be sitting and bless her heart, she found me and came over and
said hi.  it was nice to meet another fan.

take care all,

lori
ljusko@netexp.net

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> from: sean maclachlan <maclachp@cadvision.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: lilith fair-calgary
> date: saturday, august 16, 1997 5:49 pm
>
> hey there, i noticed the calgary sun article that was posted today and
was
> wondering if anyone on the list is planning to go to the lilith fair next
> friday here in calgary.  if there's anyone going, we should plan a little
> list gathering.  what do you think?  let me know.
>
> sean
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did anyone out there record the holmdel pnc bank arts center lilith?  or
any other lilith with tracy chapman and paula?

jessica

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hello all,

i just thought i would drop a few lines about fridays lillith show in
toronto.
first of all a bunch of list members got together before the show and
had lunch and chatted about all things indigo.( hello marilyn, nick,
ruth, monique, leslie, shelly and anyone whom i might have missed.
thanks for making this a wonderful day for me.) and then it rained.
and did it rain, for hours.
the highlight of the day was getting to meet amy and emily at a signing
they did at the concert before they went onstage.  while i was getting
my shirt signed i asked a&e how they felt about the list. amy said "what
list?" and i explained what it was and that we discuss their music,
concerts, trade boots, meet new friends etc. and amy replied "oh that,
we never look at it." i said that i didn't expect them to, but did it
make them uncomfortable that it was there and amy replied "no, as long
as you don't talk about our personal lives". i told a&e that we flame
anyone who gets into personal stuff and then explained what flaming was
and amy replied "cool, then we have no problem with it"  so, it seems
that a&e don't mind that we are out here, as long as we don't lose focus
about what we are discussing. let's continue to make every effort to
respect these wishes.

then it rained some more.....

the ig's came on stage and rocked for about an hour, i can't remember
the setlist but i'm sure someone else will.  the crowd could be heard
singing along to a few songs, galileo and ctf, which was nice. the girls
were on fire on stage with a brilliant set.  they all appeared to be
really tight together, not missing a beat. as for a fashion report i
couldn't tell ya except that emily was wearing these really funky
glasses at the signing. they also appeared to be the most casually and
comfortably dressed of all the performers that day.

that's about enough bw for me. thanks again to new friends, mark

and then it rained

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hiya,
  i was playing with my quote program that i wrote, and was adding ig lyrics
to it, when i thought, hey, i bet the list could give me some great quotes to
add to it!  then i though, hmm... maybe the list would be interested in a
program that would pop and indigo girl's quote on the screen when they turned
on their computers.
don't worry, i wouldn't charge for it if people would be interested.  anyway,
for right now i want to know what y'all's favorite indigo girl lines are, or
quotes from interviews and stuff, and if yer interested in the program.
please send responses to my address (and the list too if you want everyone
to read 'em).  oh, and you can send a big list of quotes if you want, the
more the better!

the sfc

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okay.  i'm getting rid of some cd's.  anyone who wants them please mail me
privately.  i'll pay the postage to send them to buyers.  i may also lower
the price if you're nice and maybe even trade for something cool.....

cd's for $25:
r.e.m.- "where am i?" (bootleg)

cd's for $10:
adam sandler- "they're all gonna laugh at you"
david gilmour- "about face"
gentle giant- "octopus"
jethro tull- "original masters"
tom petty- "wildflowers"
sinead o' connor- "am i not your girl?"
styx- "greatest hits"
oasis- "what's the story morning glory"
the best of kansas
yes- "close to the edge"
indigo girls- "strange fire"
adam sandler- "what the hell happened to me?"
martika
nancy griffith- "the mca years- a retrospective"
enya- "watermark"
tom waits- "small change"
the truth about cats and dogs- soundtrack
pearl jam- "no code"
kate bush- "the red shoes"
indigo girls- nomads, indians, saints
michelle shocked- "mercury poise 1988-1995"
tori amos- "boys for pele"
the cardigans- "first band on the moon"
janis ian- "revenge"
common ground (vioces of modern irish music"
genesis- "foxtrot"
genesis- "duke"
genesis- "a trick of the tail"
genesis- "wind & wuthering"
blues traveler- "four"
barenaked ladies-  "gordon"

jessica  (not for sale)

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subject:      a new kid on the block

hi everyone!

i am new to this mailing list and, actually, i am a pretty new ig fan. don't
let that fool you  though, i love the ig to death. i am in high school and i
was reading that there might be a high school tour this year?? if so does
anyone have any information on tour dates? if so i would be grateful if you
passed it along. i just missed the pittsburgh lilith because i was on
vacation! so i'd like to hear how it went. oh and btw, i was listening to the
radio yesterday to a nationally brodcasted top 40 countdown, and guess who
popped in my headphones??....ig's shame on you!! i almost had heart failure,
i was so surprised! i never hear them on the radio. this list is really
great, and i'm really glad i found it.

julie :)

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although no one seems to know about it on this list, there is indeed a
labor issue involved with borders bookstores.  if you feel like reading a
little about it, you can look up the february 3, 1997 issue of the
_nation_ magazine.  the article by featherstone and gordon is called
"borders belabored."  it is too long for me to transcribe.

coincidentally, this week's nation is all about the music industry (third
in their investigation of media monopolies).  in an article by dave
marsh called "u2's crash:  why pop flops,"  there is a discussion of rage
against the machine which briefly mentions the lilith fair/borders
connection. and for those who are ani fans, she is discussed in this
article and in another.

page 20, the nation, 8/25-9/1 excerpt reprinted without permission:

   "...a more likely explanation is that today's rock, with its roots in
and continuing links to society's most dispossessed, somehow effectively
does promote resistance, even critical thinking--even if this operates at
a pretty shallow level.  rather than lapsing into cynicism, newer rock
performers already show signs of recognizing these links.  rage against
the machine, chosen as u2's opening act early in the tour because it's
probably the biggest new concert act in rock, used the stadium shows to
talk about, among other things, the injustice of mumia abu-jamal being on
death row.  and rage against the machine made this work because its
members don't talk about such issues coldly but with real rage.  they
project a sense of conviction that speaking out will make a difference--a
sense of conviction that you can't buy at k mart, but that has been
indispensable to the success of most acts mentioned in this article.
(immediately upon rage against the machine's departure, a spokesman for u2
announced that u2 itself would most certainly not waste any of its time
defending "this accused cop killer," although its friends at amnesty
international continue to do so.)  of course, by agreeing to appear with
u2, just as by recording for sony, rage against the machine also chose to
become part of the spectacle.  it's too soon to say that eventually such
involvements will tranquilize them--but it's worth worrying that it might.
for instance, the sponsorship agreement between the successful women's
tour, lilith fair, and borders--which lilith fair founder sarah mclachlan
says she made in full awareness of the book chain's involvement in a major
labor dispute--is a more concrete piece of bad news."

from there, the article talks a little more about rage against the machine
and ani difranco.

and for what it's worth, the borders issue is much more than just "some
woman got fired."  i encourage you all to look into it.  labor issues are
all around us, not just in one poultry factory in atlanta.

-garian

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hello all,

        i was wondering if you could buy the lilith fair cd anywhere besides at
the shows.  if anyone can help let me know.

thanks,
cindy

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hello all,

        i just got this message and thought i'd pass it on.

>this  information  was received this morning from ibm, please
share it
        >with  anyone that might access the internet:
        >
        >if  anyone  receives e-mail entitled "penpal greetings!" please
delete
        >it   without  reading it!!  this is a warning for all internet
users -
        >there  is a dangerous virus propagating across the internet
through an
        >e-mail message entitled "penpal greetings!"
        >
        >do  not download any message entitled "penpal gretings"!! this
message
        >appears  to be a friendly letter asking you if you are
interested in a
        >penpal,  but  by  the  time  you  read the letter, it is too
late. the
        >"trojan  horse"  virus  will  have already infected the boot
sector of
        >your  hard  drive,   destroying  all  of  the  data  present.
it is a
        >self-replicating  virus,  and  once  the  message  is  read,
it  will
        >automatically!!!!!      forward itself  to anyone whose e-mail
address
        >is present in your mailbox!
        >
        >this  virus  will  destroy your hard drive, and holds the
potential to
        >destroy   the  hard  drive of anyone whose mail is in your in
box, and
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greetings all. i was wondering if anyone knows a source for indigo girls
t-shirts and misc. and/or if there is anyone out there with some indigo
girls videos and audio boots that would like to trade. i have an extensive
list of trading material myself, but am looking for more ig
video/concerts/boots as well as melissa etheridge and kd lang. also if
anyone has any jann arden videos to trade, would be ever so greatful. my
list for yours. karen thorpe.

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hey all!

i don't usually write to the entire list, but as  my lilith fair
experience approaches i thought i'd post a few short questions.  first, i
was wondering how many list members are going to be at the shakopee lilith
concert?  is anyone familiar with the venue and how they are going to seat
people?  is it going to be just a mad rush for the main stage when they
open the gates; standing or blankets on the ground?  any guesses?  and if
anyone wants to do a little list reunion during the day sometime i'd love
to be there.  i've pretty much just been lurking this year on the list,
but it would be great to meet some of you.  so e-mail me if you're
interested.  oh, and if this venue allows non-professional cameras, does
that mean that lilith security won't confiscate them either?  and does
"professional camera" mean professional quality equipment or professional
photographer?

secondly i just found a promotional copy of some of k's choice's songs off
their album "the great subconcious club", and the last track on the cd is
"rockin' in the free world" with who else but amy and emily.  it was
recorded on december 19, 1994 at symphony hall in atlanta, with k's
choice's sarah bettens, amy and emily each taking a verse. so my question
is...has this been released anywhere before?  i'm guessing it must have
been done while k's choice was opening for the girls' so touring.
anyone seen this track anywhere else?

and by the way, for anyone not familiar with this band k's choice, i
highly recomend them.  they woman who sings lead had an incredible voice
that's a little bit amy ray and a little bit something i've never heard
anywhere else.  and they write with a lot of humor and honesty.  check
them out.

so that's it.  sorry about my "wordiness".  thanks for your time!

marivel

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someone posted the url for this interview (suzanne? and thanks!), but
since there's some cool stuff i thought i'd cut and paste the whole thing
here.

it's from nuvo in indianapolis:
http://www.nuvo-online.com/97/08/07/cover/cover2.html


interview: emily saliers

in a phone interview from her georgia home, ready to begin their
dates on the lilith fair, the indigo girls' emily saliers took time out
to discuss the tour with nuvo's steve hammer.

nuvo: do you see any irony in the fact that mainstream media
like entertainment weekly and time have suddenly "discovered"
women's music?

saliers: [laughs] i laugh about the things that the media chooses
to write about and hype up. i think we're in a period where, for some
reason, there's lots of attention being paid to women in music. but
there's also good things going on. these women artists are popular,
they're selling records and lots of different people can relate to their
music. they're women who aren't having to be anything other than
themselves. they don't have to flaunt their sexuality. that's a positive
thing.

nuvo: does this represent a new direction for music, or is it
something that's been there all along?

saliers: both, really. [laughs] more and more women are getting
involved in the music business and more women artists are being
played on the radio, but there's still a lot of that radio mentality, or
there has been up until now, where they'll only play a certain amount
of women artists back to back.

is there such a thing as "women's music"? do you think there
should be?

i don't think there is such a thing as women's music. there used to be
what they called "women's music," you know, which used to be a lot
of the lesbian artists who were signed to olivia records and played
the women's festivals and all that. i guess that was really, truly
women's music, or lesbian women's music, anyway. [laughs] but
now i think that there's just a lot of women artists. but they're not all
the same. they're writing about different subject matters, and you
can't classify it as women's music just because women are writing and
performing it.

did the indigo girls seek out the women's music circuit when you
were first starting out?

we didn't. we had a very strong women's following that was our
catalyst, and i'll always remember that and appreciate it, but we didn't
play women's festivals because they excluded men. so we've always
been an all-inclusive band. we made a conscious decision to do that,
and we pissed a lot of women off back then, but now things have
come around.

do you ever seek out women-owned agencies when you're setting
up a tour?

we try to hire women, purposefully. we have a woman sound
engineer now, and a woman on the crew, and one of our guitar techs
is a woman. we like to have a mix of male and female energy. we
like to provide opportunities to women whenever we can, just
because it's been male-dominated for so long.

the entertainment industry has historically always been
exploitative of women's sexuality.

exactly.

have you and amy ever received pressure from anyone, whether
a label or a video producer, to exploit your bodies or your
appearance?

no. if they're thinking that, they're not saying it to us, because
[laughs] they know that'd be the wrong thing to say to me and amy.
we've always just been ourselves and presented ourselves the way
we want to look and how we want to dress. we're just not glamorous
women. it'd be a joke to try and be that. half the time i don't even
think about how i look, or what i'm wearing. it's all about the music
to me.

how did you become part of the lilith fair?

sarah invited us to be part of it and our schedule was open. we're
looking forward to it. we love festivals and we want everybody to be
singing together, and we want to encourage that kind of stuff.

have you known sarah for a long time?

we're not really friends with her, but we know her, and she sang at
one of our honor the earth shows. we always remembered her for
that and were thankful to her for that, and both amy and i love her
music and her politics.

do you find yourselves ever fighting against the expectations and
wants and needs of your most diehard fans?

i don't think you can help but think about them, or at least i do,
because we came out with this new record, and there's a lot more
instrumentation on it. there's more electric guitar. in some ways, it's a
departure from what we've been doing, and we took the band out on
the road with us, and got the sense that maybe we were losing a bit of
emotional steam. we made a very conscious effort to try and mix
things up more. instead of plowing through a whole set of new songs,
many of which are electric, we looked at the set list and added a few
older songs, and me and amy doing a couple songs together just to
get a more rounded mix of our entire career of music. in that sense,
we thought about what our fans would appreciate more and we tried
to deliver it to them.

how deep does it go? do you ever get on the internet and read
what fans write about you?

noooo! never! never! i appreciate it, but i'm just not interested in
reading that kind of stuff. there's a danger in becoming too
self-focused, and i try to keep a distance from that. our fans are
really hardcore, and we really appreciate their support, and i think the
internet's a wonderful thing and all that, but i just don't read it.

what's the secret in maintaining a close friendship and
partnership like you've had with amy for so long?

mutual respect, you know, plenty of personal space, both on the road
and off. when we go home, we don't really hang out together. our
personalities are very different; there's a yin-yang going on there. i
think that what amy does musically, i can't do, and vice-versa, so we
bring things to each other's music. that's a lot of it.

a lot of creative partnerships deteriorate over time--lennon and
mccartney, jagger and richards--and it breaks out into
screaming matches. have you and amy ever experienced any of
that?

no. we've had two fights like that in our entire career, maybe just
one. it's not respectful to scream at each other, just as human beings,
and so we try and avoid that. amy's a wonderful person. i really
respect her. she's a great person. we're like family. at this point, we
know each other so well, we know our differences and we've
accepted them and learned to work with them. it just hasn't been a
problem. when we finish a tour, we just go our separate ways. when
we took a year off, i played in a side band, and she played in a side
band. it's just a really good balance that we've developed. i know
that's kind of unusual [laughs], so i don't take it for granted.

                                         steve hammer

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got your 120 min blank...thanks for reimbursing me.  wasn't
necessary...thanks.

seona
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yhbt. yhl. hand.

oh, okay <grumble>. <http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/ciachoaxes.html#penpal> for an
explanation. however, for an explanation of why you allowed yourself to be
fooled, you must look deep within your soul. hth.
kirsten

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went to lilith fair in scranton (mini woodstock) --- got the wrong size
t-shirt!  anybody going to lilith fair in canada that can get me another
t-shirt?  will send $ in advance!  please respond privately! thanks!

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at 07:13 pm 8/17/97 -0600, garian arleta vigil wrote:
>although no one seems to know about it on this list, there is indeed a
>labor issue involved with borders bookstores.  if you feel like reading a
>little about it, you can look up the february 3, 1997 issue of the
>_nation_ magazine.  the article by featherstone and gordon is called
>"borders belabored."  it is too long for me to transcribe.

i can appreciate that, but is anyone willing to post at least a *summary*
of the complaints labor has against borders?

=-=-=-=

for those who missed the view, i wouldn't lose any sleep over it.  i
thought both of them looked great, but the performance of soy was
lackluster (i don't think they were awake yet!) and the ditzy interviewer
kept interrupting ig to tell us cool stuff like she was from the south too
(richmond, va to be precise).

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did y'all read the "emily interview" from nuvo that donna posted?  i think
it says it all:

>nuvo: have you and amy ever received pressure from anyone, whether
> a label or a video producer, to exploit your bodies or your
> appearance?
>
>saliers:  no. if they're thinking that, they're not saying it to us, because
> [laughs] they know that'd be the wrong thing to say to me and amy.
> we've always just been ourselves and presented ourselves the way
> we want to look and how we want to dress. we're just not glamorous
> women. it'd be a joke to try and be that. half the time i don't even
> think about how i look, or what i'm wearing. it's all about the music
> to me.

let's all say that together...ok, ready?

"it's all about the music to me..."

now there's a good indy quote....:o)

have a good day y'all!


joni  :o)

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hey, i'm proud to admit that i *am* smart enough to read the faq's <sorry to
the lady i asked the stupid question to earlier> anyway, quick description of
me...is that i'm a jewel fan who's making the crossover into the indigo girls
after this lilith fair publicity. the talk on the jewel list is that ig is
taking over lilith "it's clear who stole the show". i'm also from kansas..oh
and i wanted to say if anyone wants to trade jewel for ig..let me know.
thanks..
duff

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bonjour mes petites fromages!

once again, i am sitting at my desk with toothpicks propping up my eyelids,
cursing my addiction. what makes an otherwise intelligent, commonsensical grrl
drive to foreign countries to engage in mass singalongs with women in leather
pants?

first of all, stade du maurier kicks major assage, friends!
tinytinytiny....there wasn't a bad seat in the place. the venue supposedly
holds 9,000 but it didn't look like it was sold out, at least not from the
seats that dominate. thanks to fran "magic dialing finger" egan, we were in the
second row,  clearly in much better seats than elsie and sofika ;) i planned,
unsuccessfully, to sneak  jess "please, come out to me, everyone else does!"
cantelo down to the front but the guards were psychocrazy watchful! i had to
put my recorder face up near the top of my backpack to boot the show (more
later) cos mister linebacker was practcially sitting in my lap! chryst!

people in frenchy canada are soooo nice, i couldn't believe it! there were so
patient with la stupide hoosiere who managed to get off at the wrong metro
stop, and take the wrong street to the wrong stadium before getting to the
parc! not to mention the cheap exchange rate, and the interesting snack called
"poutine" (fries with cheese curds and gravy...it sounds nasty but as you can
imagine i snarfed it)

anyhoo, the show itself was marvy. too short of course, but how can you
complain about any ig show that includes virginia woolf and the water is wide
with four part harmony? jewel and sarah mcclockme joined them for that. it was
also the first time i can remember that i was *not* annoyed by closer to fine,
cause there was shan colvin and jewel yodeling right in the middle! it was
priceless!

both girls were smiling a lot, amy made cute gushing/fawning commentary about
canada. oh, and....i cornered amy in the bathroom before the show and asked if
she and emily would mind hopping up on the scales for us. i'm happy to report
to everyone that amy has maintained her current weight and emily has gained 6.2
ounces!! they were grateful to their fans for keeping their weight charts up to
date while they're on the road ;)

anyhoo, after the set i had to leave because i work for the man, and besides
there were a lot of livestock on i-91 that were waiting for me to come along at
80 mph and terrorize them. i felt like i was in a human frogger game! i got a
pretty good boot of the show, so if you're wacky enough to want it, write me.

have a good day everyone!

grosses bises,
sus

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hi all,

anybody seen the movie "the pillow book" with vivian wu and ewan mcgregor?
anyways, there's a part in the movie where a woman is listing the most
beautiful things. one of things listed is the color indigo. "anything
indigo, indigo flowers, indigo paper...." and i kept thinking the indigo
girls. :)


kinda cool.

back to work..
sharon

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subject:      emily speaks to those rumors!

just about every day i check out the lilith fair page, 'cuz it's
got lots of cool info, video clips, etc.

every day they have a press conference.  and they usually post the
highlights.

here is the big highlight from the montreal press conference,
reprinted, of course, without any permission whatsoever.

some journalist was asking some rather dumb questions of the
artists.  this picks up where he started in on the girls.

> there was another brilliant exchange today when that same journalist
> directed a question to the indigo girls. he wondered if the rumours
> were true, "if the indigo girls really were going to break up after
> this tour?" emily, from the indigo girls countered with "you ask the
> most interesting questions." to which he said, "well, it's kind of a
> boring press conference so far." "okay" says emily, "let's spice it
> up! yes...we're breaking up! dramatic pause. "no, we're not breaking
> up...we're going to form one big band with everyone here." chuckle.
> chuckle. "no, honestly, we're not breaking up. we love playing music
> together, it's as vibrant for us as it ever has been." "so, those
> were rumours?" "yes, where did they come from?" at this point amy
> jumps in and says, "from the same person who said we slept together."
> ka boom boom.

i laughed my butt off when i read all this.  so, i just had to share it.

enjoy!

ann

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hey all you vancouver bc folks!

a bunch of us are coming up for lilith fair next week, and although
we've been to vancouver--have never been to tbird stadium.  what
is the procedure there?  lawn seats?  should we bring chairs?
is there more than one road in?  how early should we arrive?
all those kinds of questions and more?

if you have any wisdom to impart, please do email me off the list!

gratefully,

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why would you want to get rid of " close to the edge" or those classic
genesis albums? i can understand wanting to get rid of" duke", but"
foxtrot"? come on." supper's ready" rules. i would buy them from you but
i already have them.oh well peace.

bo

>
>cd's for $10:
>adam sandler- "they're all gonna laugh at you"
>david gilmour- "about face"
>gentle giant- "octopus"
>jethro tull- "original masters"
>tom petty- "wildflowers"
>sinead o' connor- "am i not your girl?"
>styx- "greatest hits"
>oasis- "what's the story morning glory"
>the best of kansas
>yes- "close to the edge"
>indigo girls- "strange fire"
>adam sandler- "what the hell happened to me?"
>martika
>nancy griffith- "the mca years- a retrospective"
>enya- "watermark"
>tom waits- "small change"
>the truth about cats and dogs- soundtrack
>pearl jam- "no code"
>kate bush- "the red shoes"
>indigo girls- nomads, indians, saints
>michelle shocked- "mercury poise 1988-1995"
>tori amos- "boys for pele"
>the cardigans- "first band on the moon"
>janis ian- "revenge"
>common ground (vioces of modern irish music"
>genesis- "foxtrot"
>genesis- "duke"
>genesis- "a trick of the tail"
>genesis- "wind & wuthering"
>blues traveler- "four"
>barenaked ladies-  "gordon"
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at 10:50 am 8/18/97 -0400, mr. pink wrote:
>anybody seen the movie "the pillow book" with vivian wu and ewan mcgregor?
>anyways, there's a part in the movie where a woman is listing the most
>beautiful things. one of things listed is the color indigo. "anything
>indigo, indigo flowers, indigo paper...." and i kept thinking the indigo
>girls. :)

yes! saw it, liked it a lot. it was very intense, and it kept me thinking
for a while after i first saw it.

tony
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hi

trying to get info on the dc show with b. raitt 9/24, and also the one on
harrisburg, pa.
anybody know anything about ticket sales. is this a ticketmaster
thing?..any info appreciated
m

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hi all,

> secondly i just found a promotional copy of some of k's choice's
songs off
> their album "the great subconcious club", and the last track on the
cd is
> "rockin' in the free world" with who else but amy and emily.  it was
> recorded on december 19, 1994 at symphony hall in atlanta, with k's
> choice's sarah bettens, amy and emily each taking a verse. so my
question
> is...has this been released anywhere before?  i'm guessing it must
have
> been done while k's choice was opening for the girls' so touring.
> anyone seen this track anywhere else?

great to read there are others on this list that like k's choice. if
the rougher songs of the indigo girls appeal to you, you will probably
like k's choice as well. i actually met them once in the canteen at the
place where i work (in the same building there's a popmusic
radiostation situated), and after a few hesitations i went up to their
table and told sarah and gert i really enjoyed the music they play.
they were very nice and quiet and simply said thank you. well, actually
that was all because i didn't want to bother them any more. but they
did leave a good impression me.
but enough waste of bandwith, to answer the question: as far as i know
'rockin in the free world' with amy and emily, from december 19, 1994
is released on two single-cd's. one from the indigo girls: the 4 track
single 'power of two'  (1995, sony) and the other from k's choice: a 3
track single called 'a sound that only you can hear'. the third song on
this single is called 'breakfast'.  i also know there's another version
of 'a sound that only you can hear' which doesn't include 'rockin' in
the free world', so beware if you're looking for it.

that's all,
josť

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the track 'rocking in the free world' by k's choice/indigo girls
is on the following cd singles i have :

-power of two/dead man's hill(acc)/mystery(acc)/rocking in the free world >
australian pressing

-closer to fine/dead man's hill(acc)/mystery(acc)/rocking in the free world
> uk pressing

-power of two/dead man hill(acc)/mystery(acc)/rocking in the free world >
usa pressing

-power of two/dead man's hill(acc)/mystery(acc)/rocking in the free world >
japanese pressing

-a sound that only you can hear/only dreaming/breakfast
(live)/rocking in he free world > belgium pressing

-i wanna meet the man/breakfast(live)/my heart/elegia/
rocking in the free world > usa 5-track promo

i don't have the usa cd single from k's choice/indigo girls :
a sound that only you can hear/breakfast/rocking in the free world > is
there anyone that can help me with this one..????

k's choice collector,

danny verheezen

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> date: maandag 18 augustus 1997 20:05
>
> hi all,
>
> > secondly i just found a promotional copy of some of k's choice's
> songs off
> > their album "the great subconcious club", and the last track on the
> cd is
> > "rockin' in the free world" with who else but amy and emily.  it was
> > recorded on december 19, 1994 at symphony hall in atlanta, with k's
> > choice's sarah bettens, amy and emily each taking a verse. so my
> question
> > is...has this been released anywhere before?  i'm guessing it must
> have
> > been done while k's choice was opening for the girls' so touring.
> > anyone seen this track anywhere else?
>
> great to read there are others on this list that like k's choice. if
> the rougher songs of the indigo girls appeal to you, you will probably
> like k's choice as well. i actually met them once in the canteen at the
> place where i work (in the same building there's a popmusic
> radiostation situated), and after a few hesitations i went up to their
> table and told sarah and gert i really enjoyed the music they play.
> they were very nice and quiet and simply said thank you. well, actually
> that was all because i didn't want to bother them any more. but they
> did leave a good impression me.
> but enough waste of bandwith, to answer the question: as far as i know
> 'rockin in the free world' with amy and emily, from december 19, 1994
> is released on two single-cd's. one from the indigo girls: the 4 track
> single 'power of two'  (1995, sony) and the other from k's choice: a 3
> track single called 'a sound that only you can hear'. the third song on
> this single is called 'breakfast'.  i also know there's another version
> of 'a sound that only you can hear' which doesn't include 'rockin' in
> the free world', so beware if you're looking for it.
>
> that's all,
> josť
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hey all...
  well, i'm back from boot camp slightly early, you know they tend to
discharge you when you tell them you won't kill for them and that you
are gay, but oh well.  i have no idea what's been happening, so if
someone could update me on the past 2 months, i'd be happy!  one last
thing...  i saw the girls at lilith, and they rocked, of course... but
i almost had to bust someone in the head because people complained
that i was dancing!!! okay, makes no sense to me... if you wanted to
see them and were a real fan, you would stand, and not complain about
me!! i think they were all there to see jewel anyway... grrr. anyway,
i'm back... hi kate.
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http://www.phillynews.com/programs/lopez?sub=1996/lopez.1996.08.14.htm

>from the philadelphia inquirer, here is the background on the issue.  i
wanted to find a web article so that i wouldn't have to transcribe.
note that this is not the latest information, but it does let you know
what started it all.  i still recommend looking up the nation article.  it
discusses in more detail the union voting and union busting which
occurred. there is now a lawsuit pending with the national labor relations
board, and borders employees in at least 11 other cities have joined in
pickets and/or unionizing efforts.
_____________________________________________________
wednesday, august 14, 1996

the store has knowledgeable workers, she says, so why can't it pay them
that way?
the battle of the books: borders and the union activist

somebody walks into a bookstore, comes up to you, and asks where to find
a book by craig claiborne.  is it in literature, history, sports or
cooking?  the next person wants to know who wrote that classic book on
mythology. edith somebody. and the next wants to know the name of that
new isabel allende book about her family.

miriam fried was given a quiz like that in july of 1995 when she applied
for a sales clerk job at borders books in center
city. borders, unlike some of the other chains, prides itself on having
a staff that knows something about the product. so
if you don't pass the quiz, you don't get the job, which rewards
educated, well-read people at the whopping rate of $6.25
an hour.

fried, an english major, had just graduated phi beta kappa from
swarthmore college. the quiz was a breeze, and she got
the job. she also got an evaluation that raved about her performance.

but these days she doesn't work in mystery, or social science, or
religion. if you want miriam fried, look out on the
sidewalk in front of the walnut street store. she's handing out fliers
that say she was fired june 15, without so much as a
warning, for being a union activist.

>from the flier:

''she has been vindictively fired so that others will be afraid to stand
up for their rights as she did. the starting salary has
remained $6.25/hr. for over four years; an employee of more than three
years often makes less than $7.00/hr. meanwhile,
in 1994, the three top executives of borders received compensation
packages ranging from $247,420 to $861,639, and
held stock worth more than $22 million.''

fried and general manager dave stewart had a disagreement about things
like book-return and check-cashing policies.
fried, who has filed an unfair labor practices complaint and has been
looking for work since she lost her job, says she
followed store policy to the letter, and was made to look like the heavy
when managers let customers slide.

stewart says fried escalated those confrontations by not immediately
deferring to the manager, and she had a bit of a
temper, too. the union business had nothing to do with her firing, he
insists. he fired fried for ''refusal to follow store
policies.''

if she was such a problem child, fried asks, then why did stewart's
march 7 review call her ''a fine model for other
booksellers''? this is all pretty simple and obvious, she says. she was
fired for being a union rabble-rouser.

not everyone was on fried's side in the march 27 election. the union was
voted down, 25-20, after management
promised to address employee concerns and pay closer attention to
raises. even stewart says fried was right about that.
the company has to take better care of valued employees.

i talked to one employee who wanted more money but didn't like the
politics of the union -- industrial workers of the
world. and i talked to another who said that if she has problems, she
wants to deal directly with management.

all of which is fine. but corporate america's success in the 1990s is
built on convincing employees that they ought to
thank their lucky stars for the chance to take home $200 a week. and
it's working marvelously.

miriam fried, 22, idealistic and out of work because of it, has made the
mistake of trying to bring heart into a game ruled
only by numbers.

''i understand that it's retail and that's the bottom of the pay scale
in this economy, and i know other bookstore chains pay
less. but working at borders really wasn't just a job. i liked working
there and other people did, too, especially before it
started to become more corporate. the employees tend to be interesting
and creative, and they're loyal to the company
because they care about books. so why can't borders be the company that
helps change the pay structure in retail and
rewards people for their knowledge and loyalty?''

the center city borders store makes money, stewart says, but he doesn't
say how much. companywide, he said, growth
is sluggish.

i got a different reading yesterday when i called retail analysts about
borders' long-range picture.

''i think it's positively outstanding,'' said dan poole of first of
michigan, a brokerage house in the state where borders
began revolutionizing the industry by building huge, comfortable stores
with cafes and tens of thousands of books.

''let's face it. i mean, the borders customer doesn't shop on price.
they go there because of service. the prices are fine,
but the service is outstanding. have you ever been in a borders? it's
got college-educated customers who can afford to
buy books.''

they just can't afford to work in the store.

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first :
went to a womens gathering this weekend .... very cool
i was amused by the enormous quantity of meat being
cooked and consumed... seemed delightfully out of
step with the stereotype :) anyway.
we sang around the campfire and hey none of us could remember the
words to "closer to fine" so it became the 'closer to ...something,
something"
song :)

i'm so ashamed.
remembered the words and chords to scooter boys and soy though
...good campfire songs ... yes, yes .
oh and about jewel ...sound like she has some cool fans...ig
is a hard touring band with a lot of experience and it shows.
i've enjoyed reading the good notices about jewel on the ig list.
maybe i'll forgive her for yeilding to the sexual comodification of the
industrial capitalist swine that hols sway over much of the
entetainment industry ;)

ta !
binky winky

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hey everyone!

     nicole here (nix64@aol.com), i would be doing this from my account, but
the parental control is already in effect.  my parents feel that i have been
"influenced" by the people i've met on the internet so they felt compelled to
take it away.  i had to fight for two hours so i could get tickets to the
west palm show (section 5, row g, seat 1...anyone close?).  they're not happy
about the music i listen to because i've been "brainwashed".  i can no longer
be a part of the list nor can i receive mail from any "individuals".  i will
miss you all very much, take care everyone!  if anyone is planning something
for the coral sky show, please let monique know at this e-mail
address...she'll be going with me.  stay strong everyone...i'm tryin'!

*believe in yourself*
nicole

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yeah, i saw the movie. i can't quite decide how i feel about it. it's sort
of on the border between art and porno. but i noticed the indigo part, it
was great. i loved the whole list thing in general, how she had this list
of cool things and not-so-cool things.

kelly

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hi y'all;

    i have a strange little michelle malone story to tell.

    i am going to see michelle tonight but i did not have her new cd, i was
waiting for a copy in the mail and wanted to wait for it.  well the mail
came and went with no package, so i decided to buy the cd myself.  after
going to at least 4 different stores and hearing the same old "never heard
of her, who is she?"  over and over again i was losing all hope.  i than
decided to try the warehouse.  i looked at all the cd's under "m" at lest 3
times with no luck.  i was about to leave the store when i saw a plastic tag
that was parially blocked with only "lone" showing. i flipped to the tab and
there it was, michelle malone, with only one cd.  you guessed it, the lone
cd was "beneath the devil moon" which i snatched up.  when i went to pay for
it i said to the salesperson that i didn't think they would have this.  the
guy picked up the cd and looked at it.  after staring at it for a moment he
shook his head and said "i didn't know we had it ether, who is she anyway?"
after telling him i than found out that he was not just the salesperson but
the manager of the store.  you would think that a manager would know his/her
stock.  anyway, i am writing this while listening to michelle sing "the
edge" and i can't help but wonder if it was just luck or something else.

    i will be taking my "magical" cd to the show and with a with the same
luck will get it autographed.

peace and love to y'all;

jim gates
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i''m so sick of all this trash...

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hey y'all--
  i found this short article in our weekly entertainment/arts mag, and
thought some of you might want to read it.  it doesn't have any really new
info, but here it goes... (reprinted w/o permission.)

15 minutes with.......amy ray of the indigo girls
by ellis lipskin

   in the current state of the music industry, where most artists flash and
burn their way into oblivion in less time than it takes to defecate after
eating a taco bell combo meal, the indigo girls-singer.songwriters amy ray
and emily saliers- have managed not only to stay together for 16 years and
eight albums, but have also garnered five grammy nominations, a platinum, a
double-platinum and threee gold albums in the process.  and if their latest
and eighth release on epic records, shaming of the sun, is any indication,
the accolades won't likely end any time soon.  the new album, which amy ray
says "runs the gamut from folk to rock," travels over a great deal of musical
ground, from "la-la" pop rockers ("shame on you") to introspective piano
ballads ("leeds") to electrified guitar-chuckers ("shed your skin"), yet
still retains the straight-forward, grassroots approach that has been a part
of their sound since they started out in 1980.
   "when we started out,we were young, our songwriting was young, the
harmonies less intricate," says ray (the broun-haired on, people) of the
duo's earlier years. "and i'd say the songs were more introspective. over the
years, we've gone from being mostly acoustic to exploring all kinds of sounds
and instruments.  politically, we're more outspoken about things we're
involved in-gay actvism, environmentalism, the zapatistas in mexico.  every
touring season, we do this thing called honor the earth to benefit native
activism.  it's a month-lomg tour, and all the money goes to that."
   according to ray, while the indigo girls' lyrics often have a political
slant, their music is not simply a means for carrying a political message,
not is the stage a soapbox from which to preach.
   "we separate the two," she says of music and politics. "we don't talk
about politics durning our shows-unless it's a benefit, that is.  but we try
to let the songs speak for themselves.
   to ray, the songs are not so much political statements as they are
observations of society and her own experiences.  moreover, she points out
that music doesn't have to be political to have signifigance.
   "i definitely don't think it's a requirement," says ray about whether or
not music should make a social statement.  "all music has a purpose.  even
the songs that aren't social commentary, if you look into them, they are
meaningful in their own way."
   as singer/songwriter duo, ray and saliers work best by working separately.
of the 12 songs on shaming of the sun, each wrote six.  on record and in
concert, ray's gruff voice and sharp strumming work well alongside salier's
softer vocals and sharp stumming work well alongside salier's softer vocals
and meticulous playing style.  also, ray points out that their songwriting
methods are differnt as well.  stylistically, ray and saliers have two
distinct, complementary styles as well, with ray's stream-of-consciousness
style and saliers' more premeditated syle creating colorful variations on
different songs.
   "we're completely separate entities," ray says.  "i write my songs and
emily writes hers.  but whatever direction either feels like going, the other
goes alonge with her.  for me, i do a lot of writing on the road and late at
night.  you come across a lot of people and sounds, and take what you can get
and work off of it."
  lately, ray has been findign inspiration in a variety of music by such
bands as smoke, "this band has got some really cool, melodic stuff," she
says) and rock-a-teens (who record on ray's own daemon records label.), as
well as rage against the machine.  also, ray refers to some shows the indigo
girls recently performed with patti smith as being very inspiring.
  "those are the kind of people who make you want to write and play," says
ray.  "they make you realize what music's all about."

lilith fair tomorrow!!!!
lauren

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kudos to garian vigil-

thank you for informing the list re: borders.
and supposedly sarah mcl knew about this when she chose/okayed the
lilith/borders connection... hmmm... "sarah, you got some 'splainin to
do!"

and now i have to find a new bookstore-- the late, great *oxford books*
in atlanta recently closed, :-c  ,due in large part to the sudden
proliferation of *borders* <boo,hiss> where i had been going since
oxford closed.  >:-(

well... i guess there is that other *huge national chain*, barnes &
noble, which also helped put the independent, oxford, out of business.
<sigh>

btw- *borders* has a web page   ;-,    <borders.com/corporate/>
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at 05:59 pm 8/18/97 -0400, mel wrote:
>kudos to garian vigil-
>
>thank you for informing the list re: borders.
>and supposedly sarah mcl knew about this when she chose/okayed the
>lilith/borders connection... hmmm... "sarah, you got some 'splainin to
>do!"

i suppose this is just my communications background and my desire to be a
mediator coming out, but one article -- a personal opinion column at that
(the article garian posted was not a news article) -- should not be the
basis of taking up sides with this issue or any other issue. i'm not here
to say that borders is correct or incorrect in their actions, i'm just
saying make sure you come to an informed decision before writing them off
or demanding that sarah explain her actions.

with issues like this, the truth (if there is even such a thing) tends to
lie somewhere in the middle and if you want to get close to the truth, you
need to be aware of the biases of the writer, reporter, news agency etc
that is reporting the "story". no offense to garian, but the article posted
only provided one person's take on what happened; the bias is evident. it's
important to gather info from a variety of sources and then put it together
for yourself. management does not necessarily equate with evil and union
does not necessarily equate with good. there are also many good arguements
for the reverse. one would hope that sarah looked into the issue before
entering into a partnership with borders and came to some conclusion that
she was comfortable with. we all need to make those decisions for our own
and on our own.

>and now i have to find a new bookstore-- the late, great *oxford books*
>in atlanta recently closed, :-c  ,due in large part to the sudden
>proliferation of *borders* <boo,hiss> where i had been going since
>oxford closed.  >:-(

as i said above, before you start booing and hissing and boycotting
borders, make sure you totally understand what's at issue. coming to such a
strong conclusion after the posting of one editorial is rushing things.

deb

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subject:      sale date for dc tix

hey everybody
i don't know if this has been posted already, i haven't seen it yet, but i
just got off the phone with ticketmaster and they said tix for the dc show at
the warner theater on september 24 go on sale this saturday aug 23. she
didn't say a time so i would assume 9 am.    sorry if this has been posted
already, i'm just real excited : )

peace
sasha

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<< it's
important to gather info from a variety of sources and then put it together
for yourself. management does not necessarily equate with evil and union
does not necessarily equate with good. there are also many good arguements
for the reverse. >>

nice to know there are still some level-headed thinkers out there!

cheers!
kathleen (a business owner who has to work alone seven days a week because
the cost of labor is so high she can't afford to hire anyone)
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<<  but
i almost had to bust someone in the head because people complained
that i was dancing!!!  >>

they complained that you were dancing or they complained that you were
blocking their view?  there's a big difference!

cheers!
kathleen  (who is a huge ig fan, but has a crushed disc and cannot stand for
more than one song and who goes to the concert to see the girls.  if i wanted
to just hear them i would stay home and listen to my cd's.  so please be
considerate!  have a good time, but please don't spoil mine)
    kef1330@aol.com   i seem to be in a soapboxin' mood tonight.  sorry.

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just got back from vacation to find the tape i made of the view caught the
ig's performance but not the interview.  anyone able to transcribe and send
or post ?

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deb wrote:
>... before you start booing & hissing & boycotting borders, make
>sure you totally understand what's at issue . coming to such a
>strong conclusion after the posting of one editorial is rushing
>things.

welllll...gooollllly... ms. reiser.

i don't suppose it occured to you that perhaps, just perhaps, i did in
fact look into the *borders* issue a little more closely, rather than
merely basing my "strong conclusion" upon one editorial. no, apparently
not-- why else would you go to the trouble to flame me & try to teach us
that "management does not equate with evil [nor] does union necessarily
equate with good."

no, you're right, it doesn't... it just really, really seems that way.

if one takes a long hard look at the unionist movement through the
course it has taken in u.s. history-- one can see the vicissitudes of
the *rights & wrongs* committed on both sides of the table. however,
there is unequivical evidence that without the *wrongs* committed by
unions, there would never have been such a huge middle class in this
country. (those from the middle class-- ask your parents, uncles, aunts,
grandparents, and others you know from the previous 2,3,4,& 5 gen.s
before, if they or any family members ever belonged to a union and what
it meant.) in recent years, the middle classs has gradually been
eroding, once again leading toward a huge under-class and an extemely
well-educated, elitist upper-class. this has coincided with two
dissimilar business & technological phenomena-- business has studiously
learned from their mistakes, and thanks in no small part to the
conservative political movement of the early 1980's, management finally
learned the *sacrificial art* of *union-busting*. the technological
phenomenon-- well, we're part of it. the economy is moving away from a
*labor* driven economy to one of high tech on one hand & service on the
other. the significant problem regarding the *service industry* is that
it has histoically been, and for the most part remained (until
recently), dominated by women. because women have histoically been
forced (by societal mores) to take care of the home and the children,
putting their career behind both (as well as their *man's* career), they
have not had the strength, the fortitude, or support necessary to fight
for better wages, better working conditions, more benefits,etc. now that
the service industry is becoming inundated with displaced labor workers,
who are used to having such amenities, after demanding and fighting for
them, gradually we are seeing a new era regarding unions. how far it
goes and reaches will depend on how well business management remembers
the lessons learned in the past, as well as how the current and future
political climate responds.

that... is why i questioned whether sarah m actually, rather than
"supposedly" (the word i used.) understood that there was a labor
*situation* at borders. i didn't & wouldn't ever presume to demand
anything of sarah m. i phrased my question in the form of of a joke--
using the racist <uh, oh>, yes, racist, idiomatic phrasing used by desi
arnaz in "i love lucy". i admire sarah-- for the gift of music which she
graciously shares with the world, for the dream & actual implementation
of the *concept* of lilith fair (what it means not only to attendees,
but also to its participants and the women's charitible organizations
which sarah has insisted become financial beneficiaries), and for the
grace she has demonstrated throughout against negative press, attempting
to assign false motives & agendas.

for another similar look at the *borders situation*, see the sun, jul 7
'97 *detroit journal business section*--"unions see borders clerk firing
as a boost":
        <www.rust.net/~workers/business/13borders.htm>

*some people* will say that this would be better handled by private
e-mail.
if someone is going to make a personal accusation against me publicly as
deb has-- i intend to consider the validity of that critcism. if it is
is valid-- i will assent to it & if necessary apologize... publicly...
as i did not long ago. if the public critism is not valid-- i'm gonna
durn well defend myself... publicly.
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           "what you've done becomes the judge of what you're
            going to do especially in other people's minds. when
            you're travelling, you are what you are right there
            and then. people don't have your past to hold against
            you. no yesterdays on the road."
                - william least heat moon

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date:         mon, 18 aug 1997 23:22:08 -0600
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hi!  i was just informed that a surprise guest will be at lilith in
milwaukee tomorrow evening.  pat benatar!!!!  oh the delight.  she is so
woman :).  i guess that fits the fair heh heh.  unfortunately for me the
rumor (according to the lilith web site) is that she'll be appearing early
and on the second stage.  i won't be there til 6ish for those who care :).
what a fun surprise that will be.  she'll be in minnesota as well.
we're runnin with the shadows of the night oh baby take my hand we'll be
alright-------it's alright if you hate that way hate because i'm
different--what a segue :) :)

look for the full report and review on wednesday from the marcus
ampitheatre in fine milwaukee--a city which gets little respect but
deserves more.  i haven't heard a peep from people who are attending this
show.  make milwaukee proud and post those reviews the next day.  i would
set up a list meet but i that has proven to not work in the recent past.
see y'all there

greg

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hey everybody!!

maybe i missed this back in april, or maybe we never discussed it, and
hell, this could become a new thread, because god knows that emily's
weight has gotten really out of hand, but i am listening repeatedly to
"burn all the letters" and i am totally stuck in brainfade.

who is emily writing about?  i keep thinking anne frank, but i know that
isn't right....
does anyone have a clue?

it isn't that i am not a history junkie, because i am, and i am especially
into women's history, but i am drawing a complete blank.  my women's
history professor from undergrad would be so impressed right now.  :)

please post all thoughts to the list and not my mailbox.  i am sorting
through a bazillion messages because i was out of town for a few days!

thanks!!!!  :)

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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date:         tue, 19 aug 1997 01:35:44 edt
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      boone, nc  hte show

would anyone happen to know when tix go on sale for the boone, nc hte
show?  who all is planning on going?  i'm going to try to.  i looked
up accomodations in my aaa tourbook and it looks like with the exception
of one little motel, most of the motels in boone start at at least $75
a night.  eeek!  it looks like there are more motels, with semi-reasonable
rates just a few miles down the road in blowing rock, nc.  anyone interested
in carpooling from middle tennessee to the show, or anyone from east
tennessee wish to be picked up along the way?  e-mail me and maybe we
can plan a road trip!

peace and high mileage,

joan :-d

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on tue 19 aug 00:30 -0400 -- karrie wrote:
>... i am listening repeatedly to "burn all the letters"...
>... who is emily writing about? i keep thinking anne frank,
>but i know that isn't right....
>does anyone have a clue?

good question.
the first time i listened to sots, i kept thinking that "burn all the
letters" & "everything in its own time" were related somehow... in the
same context... historical, personal, literary... i don't know. if i get
that *need to know* feeling-- maybe i'll do some kind of web/usenet
search & see if i can dedge up anything on the subject. but hopefully,
someone on the list will aleady have the answer.
wouldn't it be nice just to type out an e-mail or pick up the phone &
say, "so... emily... i was just wondering... "
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           "what a poor appearance the tales of the poets
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            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
                - plato

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i wonder if there is a sort of theme, either intentional or unintentional,
to sots? could this be a subconscious concept album? i have noticed that
a+e seem to have been influenced on almost a cellular level by doing jcs.
you can hear it in batl, eiiot, sbaa, just about all of the songs really.
so, can anyone come up with a phrase that summarizes the album's possible
theme?

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well, i had several ideas regarding who this song might be about. it could
be about emily dickinson's long lost (but recently found, i think) love
letters to her brother's wife, or it could be about virginia woolf's (a
favorite of emily's, and already the subject of one of her songs) very
romantic corespondence with her lover vita sackville-west, or possibly
simone di bouviour and jean-paul satre's love letter's to each other. the
letters of the latter were published into a book which was a best seller,
if i'm not mistaken, and it is widely regarded as one of the most romantic
books ever published. could also be about chopin and george sand too.
basically, you're guess is just as good, if not better, than mine.

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at 01:47 pm 8/18/97 -0600, garian arleta vigil wrote:
>http://www.phillynews.com/programs/lopez?sub=1996/lopez.1996.08.14.htm
>
>>from the philadelphia inquirer, here is the background on the issue.  i
>wanted to find a web article so that i wouldn't have to transcribe.
>note that this is not the latest information, but it does let you know
>what started it all.

i found a few newer articles searching at http://www.thenation.com.  aside
from the issue of one woman wronged at one store, possibly as a result of
her attempt to organize a union, it seems the primary issue is that of
management not sharing their good fortunes with labor.  this is, of course,
a problem everywhere now; profits are soaring and wages are stagnating.
borders just appears to be a particularly big, familiar target for the
labor unions to hurl complaints at.

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date:         tue, 19 aug 1997 10:42:04 -0400
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subject:      more quote stuff

oh, i forgot to mention, but i'll be setting up a page on the net sooner or
later that will have all the quotes, and probably a "quote of the day".  i'm
currently trying to switch internet servers so i'm not sure how long it'll be
before that's up and running.

the sfc

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from:         ann m labeck <aml@scn.org>
subject:      gotm billboard review

reprinted, of course, w/o permission!

enjoy--esp. the last sentence!

> indigo girls
>
> ''get out the map'' (3:23)< epic
>
> a rock song anchored by a banjo? why not? this second offering from
> the enduring duo's stellar collection ''shaming of the sun'' is a
> percussive strummer that utilizes the banjo with an aggressive manner
> similar to an electric guitar. it's a risky move that works extremely
> well, giving emily saliers' romantic tale of wanderlust a nice rootsy
> feel and an effectively urgent edge. triple-a and ac radio
> tastemakers will have a field day with this gem, though targeted rock
> programmers may be a bit apprehensive about airing it at first. but
> give it a try. y'all may be pleasantly surprised at the listener
> response. after all, the group's fan base is vast and passionate.


there ya go!

ann

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subject:      ig quote program update

hi y'all,
  so far i've had a pretty good response to my post about favorite ig lyrics,
quotes, etc.  i'm still gladly exepting more though :-)  as far as the
program goes:  the program itself is actually already written (i run it on my
computer everyday, so most bugs are out).  i just need to write a program to
install it, unless you would like to do that yourself.  it just involves
adding a line to the autoexec.bat file.  i'm still compiling all the quotes.
the only problem i currently have is that i'm not sure what to do for those
of you using win95.  i use windows 3.1 and so i don't know much about win95.
for those of you who do use it, is there a way to run a program when win95
starts up?  the current version runs in dos right before windows starts, and
i've been told that wouldn't work for win95.  i should be able to get a win95
version running in a month or so, after i figure out what to do :-)  so, for
right now, keep sending quotes, and if your not afraid of changing your
autoexec.bat yourself contact me and i'll get a copy sent to you so you can
manually install it.

the sfc

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date:         tue, 19 aug 1997 10:43:23 -0400
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from:         "elizabeth m. bolles" <wishmonstr@aol.com>
subject:      yey!  i'm back!  but now i have questions . . . (igc, i guess)

well, i'm back from summer camp!  those may have been the most indigo-ie four
weeks of my life.  i'll spare most of the details, but one thing of interest
. . .
i lived in my indigo girls hat that i got at the hartford concert.  i was
wearing it one day while canoeing, when we accidently capsized (alright, it
was my fault! ok, i admit it!).  so, of course, when i got back to land, i
raced to the nearest towel rack and hung in out to dry.  next day, i check on
it and yey! it was dry.  however, it's gone from a deep, dark green to a
yellowish-brown.  has anyone else had this problem?  is the dye really that
bad that just dipping it in the lake for 30 seconds totally altered the
color, or was i swimming in some sort of toxic pool?  just wondering . . .
oh, and i guess one more thing.  one of the counselors had this wonderful ig
shirt that her friend bought her at the red rocks show.  it was light blue
and said "shed your skin" and had some design on it . . . i was sent into
total t-shirt envy!  because, yeah, my get out the map shirt's ok, but given
the choice i would have much rather gotten the shed your skin shirt.  when
did they start selling these?  why had they never been mentioned on the list?
and they weren't mentioned in the last fan club mailing thing . . .

oh well, off to read the grapes of wrath by tommorow.

-elizabeth

* * * * * * * * * * * * * *
**a camp exchange**
me: how do you shower so fast?
caitlin: i don't shower here; you can't.  i rinse.
me: ahhhhh.

http://members.aol.com/wishmonstr/ewebpg.htm
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subject:      nigc

hey fellow go heads-

for anyone who cares, i'll be getting a new e-mail address sometime in the
near future, so i have to sign off for now.  it's been a blast and hope to
be back on sometime in the near future

peace, love and all things indigo
kris lewis

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i found this at the pulse home
page...http://www.towerrecords.com/pulse/97/june/indigo.html..
there is also a listing of the ten top works of art that each e & a would
choose if they were on a desert island.
there's more stuff there, but for those of you who can't surf, the
following should whet your whistle:

how the seemingly anachronistic indigo girls
still manage to succeed in a mindless, hit-driven marketplace by michael
mccall amy ray
arrives first for an afternoon sound check. for 20 minutes, she bounces
about the stage, warming
up the expansive concrete arena with her spirit. she jokes with the female
guitar tech and laughs
out loud at shared quips with the female sound technician. onstage, she's
loose and gangly, gently
trading talk about stage monitors with the local stagehand as the two work
to get the sound adjusted
to her liking. when she steps to the microphone, she offers a crack about
tulsa's expo square
pavilion, a generic, concrete-and-plastic-chair hall that she refers to as
"spinal tap arena." after
performing portions of a few of her new songs, she ends her pre-show set
with a vicious acoustic
version of the clash's "clampdown."

about 10 minutes later, emily saliers walks out solemnly. the guitar tech
keeps her distance,
as if knowing that this member of the indigo girls needs her space to get
her job done. the woman
running the sound board stays similarly businesslike, reflecting her boss'
serious stage demeanor.
working deliberately, saliers checks the sound on her piano, as two
stagehands repeatedly
maneuver a nearby speaker to try to situate it to the performer's liking.
saliers remains intently
focused as she checks the audio levels on a variety of stringed
instruments, taking much longer
than her partner as she repeatedly asks for adjustments while
painstakingly checking the tuning
of her guitars, a mandolin, a banjo and a dulcimer. after running through
snippets of a few new songs,
saliers locks into a breathtakingly beautiful version of patty loveless'
country music hit, "here i am,"
singing with a strong, pure tone that nails the song's combination of
concern and condemnation of
a lover who prefers liquor to love.

the two personalities who make up the indigo girls thrive on such
divergence. ray is a coltish,
punkish live wire, injecting opinion and humor with uninhibited animation.
saliers is reserved and
introspective, carefully weighing her words and crafting her lyrics before
exposing herself. ray
plays guitar with simple, hard strokes and sings with gruff immediacy;
saliers plays intricately and
delicately and sings with sweet, full-toned clarity. together, their
distinctive harmonies and their
dynamic clash of raw energy and winsome melody provide a compelling
example of how
musical diversity can come together to create something stronger than its
individual parts. no
wonder the indigo girls create music that is so doggedly optimistic yet so
thornily complex; it's
as if they're trying to prove how individuals can overcome their
differences to work toward a better
whole.

"we've been together for 16 years now," says amy ray, who discovered her
creative voice by joining
with high-school friend emily in the basement of the saliers' home in
decatur, ga. chiming in as if on
harmony, saliers adds, "we're so different from each other, and we just
don't enter each other's space."

ray takes the next line, as if trading lyrics in a song: "the thing we do
is accommodate each other
really well. we write separately, and we express ourselves differently.
it's as if we're doing two solo
albums at once. we play on each other's songs, then put them out in one big
package. whatever the
other one wants to do with one of their songs, it's done. if either of us
wants to go in one direction or
another, we go with it. we don't water each other's vision down."

those two distinct voices come across clearly on shaming of the sun, the
duo's eighth album for epic
records. the 12-song collection, featuring six songs by both writers,
continues to find them
experimenting with their core acoustic sound. the rhythms are more
elaborate than ever, with a
strong dose of multicultural music worked into them, and the songs are
propped up by string
arrangements, indian chants, psychedelic guitar, even a hurdy-gurdy and
talking drum. the rousing
harmonies ring out on the positive manifesto "it's alright" ("it's all
right if you hate that way, hate me
cause i'm different, hate me cause i'm gay ... ") and behind the fat pop
hook of the soulful "shame on
you" (with it's "la la la" capturing the ebullience of van morrison's
classic "brown eyed girl"). saliers'
"caramia" is an ambitious, minor-chord epic with dense orchestration,
while "leeds" finds her creating
a moody piano ballad, the first time one of the duo's songs was built
around saliers' newly acquired
keyboard proficiency. it's a fuller and more varied sound than the
acoustic folk-rock that marked the
indigos' early albums, yet there's a direct connection through the
harmonies and song structures
that remains true to their past.

"at the start, we were very cautious about not giving our music to a
producer who would want to take it
in a direction that was different than what we were doing live," saliers
says. "we were very protective
of that. we wanted the early records to be true to what we were doing
live. now we feel free to
experiment. on this last album, we just kept adding things. we felt open to
everything and anything."

the indigos began expanding their sound on 1992's rites of passage, then
took the experimenting
further on 1994's swamp ophelia. the two began work on shaming of the sun
in a nashville studio
with the intent of stripping away some of the musical artifice of swamp.

"that album started to sound a little overdone in parts, maybe more than we
realized at the time,"
ray explains. "we went into this one wanting to make it less orchestrated
and arranged. but we
ended up spending a lot of time making this album. but it was still very
spontaneous and less planned.
everything we added to it was added in a real impromptu way. we'd hear
something we liked and say,
'loop that,' or we'd track six guitars repeating the same line. just crazy
stuff. we were open to trying
anything and seeing if it worked. we'd get excited about something we were
hearing or thinking and
just give it a try."

in concert, however, with just the two of them on a warm-up acoustic tour,
the songs are stripped back
to their original core, making it evident how well the two combine simple
melodies with rousing
choruses set up with dynamic acoustic interplay. watching the indigo girls
in concert in tulsa, a
heartland town where two 40-foot-plus statues honor jesus christ and an
industrious blue-collar work
ethic, it's obvious how their individual diversities come together as
strengths. the old friends may be
oil and water-ray represents frenetic passion; saliers careful,
self-conscious expression-but their
contrasts don't clash as much as they blend like a good vinaigrette. they
juxtapose each other in
personality and action, yet they meet on the terms that are most important
to them: sexual orientation,
political concern, a humanistic and spiritual outlook, and a shared passion
for making music that
represents an intensely personal viewpoint.

onstage, they offer their songs with a complete lack of artifice; there's
nothing remotely flashy
about the presentation. there's no stage set; no production values other
than minimal lighting.
ray bounds around slashing her guitar and saliers stands firm, providing
solos and instrumental
details. they let their compositions provide the entertainment, offering
rambling, jagged, sometimes
overly ambitious songs packed with folk-rock crescendos banged out with
intensity and commitment.
the arena crowd stays on its feet, seemingly hungry for the wide-open
compassion and physical
catharsis that the performance offers them. sprinkled through the heartland
tulsa audience, you'll find
the expected lesbian couples and wool-sweater liberals, but there are also
large groups of
middle-american high-school girls and college students, as well as plenty
of hetero couples singing
along to the choruses and high-fiving at the intros to favorite songs.

"our fans are so supportive," ray says. "there's a lot of them that we've
sort of grown up with, and
there seems to be those who come along every year and join the family."
adds saliers, "we're a
real good catalog band for epic. we have the kind of fans who go back and
buy everything. we've
never really been about hit singles. our fans tend to really care about the
music, and i think they know
we really care about the music and the shows. our music is honest and
emotional, and i think
people can hook into that. it's a mixture of talking about the darkness of
the world and also the hope
that we can survive, and that we yearn for optimism in the midst of all the
craziness around us. plus,
amy and i do our best to keep growing and to keep trying new things
musically, and i think our fans
appreciate that, too."

saliers touches upon a salient point when she mentions that the duo doesn't
rely on singles to
connect with fans. the popularity of the indigo girls is uncommon in
several ways: they're a rare
'90s success story in that they haven't relied on massive radio airplay or
a high-profile video
presence to establish a following, yet they have managed to consistently
top a million in sales
with their studio efforts; moreover, they're acoustic folk rockers
flourishing in a hip-hop/grunge/
technology-driven age. in tulsa, they rock the crowd with only the two of
them onstage, using
nothing but strings and voices to raise spirits and garner a response.

what they have done is, they've conceived an intimate bond with their
audience. by displaying
who they are and what they feel with such willing enthusiasm, they've
touched a chord in listeners
who want to be encouraged to be themselves, whoever they may be, outside of
the constricting
pressures of a pop culture that's deeply media-saturated and highly
self-conscious.

"when we write songs, it doesn't come from some point of entertainment or
trying to create the next
hit or because of some kind of responsibility we feel toward anything,"
saliers notes. "we write
about whatever we've been thinking about. i write because i've had an
experience, and i'm ready
to write a song about it. at that point, i'm not thinking about fans or
record companies or radio or
recording studios. it's really about self-expression for me, and trying to
say what i feel i want to say
about whatever is on my mind. when we get into the studio or when we get
to a show, that's when
we think about how to balance the songs in a way people will like."

the indigos believe that they've been able to forge a unique image and to
pursue their own artistic
vision because of the way they started. initially, they built a following
as an independent act working
the '80s college circuit along the east coast; they originally released
their 1987 debut, strange fire,
on their own indigo label. the success of that album prompted record labels
to seek them out, rather
than the other way around.

"because we had built a grass-roots following on our own, we were of the
mind that we could keep
doing this independently if we wanted to," ray says. "we would only go with
a major record company
if they were willing to go along with our agenda and our politics and our
creativity. epic ended up
being a cool label for us. they're artist-oriented, and we feel they're
supportive of our goals and
of our politics. we haven't had many radio hits, and they've gotten used
to the idea that we're that
way. we haven't had to concentrate on that, which is good."

ray recalls one time that epic execs came to the duo to suggest it include
a cover song on an album
that might more readily attract radio play. "that was kind of the last
thing they ever said like that," ray
laughs. adds saliers, "yeah, we got so mad about it they never said
anything else."

nonetheless, the two say communication and respect between them and the
record label is open and
mutual. the label offers advice on photographers, video directors, and on
which songs might work
well as singles for various radio formats. "we've always appreciated what
they do for us on certain
levels," ray says. "but they also know we're going to go on tour and work
hard and do our own thing.
we do what we do, they do what they do, and we see what happens. i think
we recognize that we have
a good thing, and that we've been very fortunate. it was fun when we
started, and it's just as much fun for
us now."

and why shouldn't it be fun? after all, the indigo girls have established a
career for the long run during
an era of here-today, gone-tomorrow sensations. along the way, they've cut
against the grain in nearly
every way. at a time when the most powerful performers believe they have to
wrap themselves in
glamour and play the media game, amy ray and emily saliers have forged a
separate path and have
achieved success on their own terms.

michael mccall is a free-lance journalist based in nashville, a city amy
ray once blasted in a song named
after the town. both ray and mccall like the city now.

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subject:      michelle malone video (nigc)

if anyone wants a video of michelle malone's "the gathering," e-mail
me, i'll trade it for anything.

rachel

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i understood the press release for hte to read that only bonnie was
playing at the warner in dc.  is this true, or are the girls going to be
there, too?  anyone??

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in the posters up for the mullins center show, it says indigo girls plus a
special guest (tba).  anyone have any ideas who might be traveling with
them for this tour?

happy day,
jennie

"and i like the whole truth,
but some nights i only need forgiveness"
                        -dar

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hi everyone!  i could of sworn that i read or heard emily explain
burn... i actually think it is about herself.  how the public invades
ones privacy (with her now being famous) and that in order make 100%
sure that it is secrect, they must burn all the evidence to their
personal lives.  how does that sound?!  like i said, i'm not
absolute...but i could have swear i heard emily talking about her own
privacy and corrilating it to burn all the letters.

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subject:      re: burn all the letters

hmmm. . . i kind of got the impression it had something to do with
either an indigenous group of people or some organization that had a
reason to fear the government.  hence, the lyric "the government is on
the phone."

i see how it might be interpreted as them protecting their own privacy
but i'd have to listen to the lyrics again to catch that angle.  didn't
amy and emily spend some time in central america with some groups that
are under government oppression?  i know they are sympathetic to many of
those causes and this may be something for them.

peace-
ron

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> sent: tuesday, august 19, 1997 11:08 am
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> hi everyone!  i could of sworn that i read or heard emily explain
> burn... i actually think it is about herself.  how the public invades
> ones privacy (with her now being famous) and that in order make 100%
> sure that it is secrect, they must burn all the evidence to their
> personal lives.  how does that sound?!  like i said, i'm not
> absolute...but i could have swear i heard emily talking about her own
> privacy and corrilating it to burn all the letters.
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subject:      re: burn all of whose letters?

it has to do with soldiers raiding native american homes, when they were
forced to leave their land for reservations.  burning all the letters between
loved ones and themselves before soldiers and other outsiders got their hands
on them and exploited personal experiences for "history"'s sake.
~j

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subject:      the mm video (nigc)

thanks to everyone who responded, but alas i only have one copy and
it's already spoken for...
anyone who is still interested can get it by ordering from the daemon
records page.  the video is called the gathering and it costs only a
few bucks...
rachel

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subject:      michelle malone interview--nigc

it seems that michelle malone is getting pretty well known here on the
list.  i have a cd single of "big black bag" which also includes a short
interview, actually, it's called a casual conversation with michelle
malone and lenny kaye. the "conversation" is not even 20 minutes, but i
would be willing to make copies for anyone interested.  let me know.
--kim--

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subject:      shades of indigo

okay everyone i've offered this twice already, but i have had a fairly
good response both times, so i decided once again to offer a copy of
shades of indigo to anyone interested.  for those of you who don't
know--it's an interview with the girls by shawn colvin with some live
versions of some songs.  it was recorded in 1990.  email me if you are
interested.
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elizabeth was inquiring about the presence of the sys shirt.
i saw it at lf here in montreal.  but they were canadian made,
and ran about 1.5 sizes smaller.  it is apparently a customs issue.
i spoke with them about it at the concert here, earlier this summer.
so i passed, in the hopes of catching it in either in mass or at bates,
in american sizings.  it was a sturbridge blue--really nice colour.
i didn't love the image, but of course, it would grow on me.
i am wondering what other songs will be granted their own shirts :)

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dr. roberta bondar, astronaut

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22 bucks onsale september third --- no idea how it is going to be sold --
possibly ticketmaster -- most likely not

mike r.

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subject:      the palace (albany, ny)

is anyone planning on going to this show?


just curious--
erin sue

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*if* we can get tickets to the hte, we are planning on camping- this part of
the country is really beautiful and camping is very cheap.  so, if anyone is
going and interested in camping w/others going to the concert, lemme know.
jessica

> most of the motels in boone start at at least $75
>a night.  eeek!  it looks like there are more motels, with semi-reasonable
>rates just a few miles down the road in blowing rock, nc

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set list:

sys
gotm
ttbt
va woolf
soy
eiiot
scooter boys --(with a slow refrain of my favorite lines:
                hey blue blood, you're not that new,
                you see, i come from privilage too)
galileo
water is wide --incredible!!!!!!!!  with sarah, and jewel, meredith, and
shawn.
ctf           --i am still amazed at how jewel incorporated a yodel!!!???

after jewel, sarah's finale brought everyone back to the stage again.

the final finale: big yellow taxi!!! (joni mitchell)
                  "pave paradise, put up a parking lot"
                  included amy (on the banjo),
                  and emily singing with jewel, shawn, and most everyone else.

deb

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subject:      abbreviations??/

        hi, i'm pretty much new to this mailing list and i was wondering if there is
some sort of key to all the abbreviations  you guys use!  a lot of the times
i can't read the letter because of it!  what exactly is sots, batl, eiiot,
sbaa?  if you know others please write to me privately!  i don't want the
list to suffer just because i'm new!

thanks a bunch,
kevin lole (stewpot3@aol.com)

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skip to the final chapter of thebook, and
maybe steer us clear from some of the pain
it took to get us where we are this far"
                        -emily saliers of the indigo girls

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do you happen to know -when- the tickets are going on sale?

kelly

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i was up all night dreaming of you
pretty valentine she's bleeding again from the sole of her shoes 'cause
she's got to carry the weight of the truth
could you take it easy on me
could you take it easy on me
would you like to see me crawling
would it do any good
good would do if it could
i was up all night drinking of you
we got into a fight love always drains the life out of me
but i can't complain i'm in the deep freeze
could you take it easy on me
could you take it easy on me
would you like to see me crawling
would it do any good
good would do if it could
through the grace of your heart
i'll be alright through the grace of your heart
sleep through the night through the grace of your heart
keep me in line through the grace of your heart
keep me alive through the grace of your heart
i got up alright breakfast for two
pieces of hate all over the room
your love is a lie that leads to my soul
that's melting the wall that's drowning me so
could you take it easy on me
could you take it easy on me
would you like to see me crawling
would it do any good
good would do if it could
through the grace of your heart
i'll be alright through the grace of your heart
sleep through the night through the grace of your heart
swallowed my pride through the grace of your heart
buried alive through the grace of your heart
love has no pride
love has no pride
grace

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i was just wondering about the venue at the marist college ig show -
mccann center field house -

such as what size, general admission or not, what kind of hot dogs do
they sell, is there free beer with admission (it's at college isn't is?)...
also, who's going to the show and how far is it away from nyc?

any help would be greatly appreciated- and as usual - e-mail me or the
list - it don't matter but i'd be happier than two shakes of a lamb's tail - or
something like that...

thanks!!!!!!!
mkc

btw, i'm new to the list what does "a+e=ig" and "ctf" mean, i haven't a
clue?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?........................j/k
(<chuckle>) :p

"the beginning and end of all philosophy is freedom"-fish

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subject:      tour dates anyone?

hi, my name is alex, and i live in berkeley, ca (bay area). i know ig were
just here, but i was out of town. does anyone happen to know if they will be
doing another show around here? (oakland, san francisco area).
thanks,
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subject:      mm chords (nigc)

chords for grace:

http://members.tripod.com/~dyke/grace.html

-liz-

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hey y'all!

since i know some of you are shawn colvin fans, i figured you'd be
interested to know that she'll be on live x this friday at 1 pm on 99x.

that's all,
amy

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subject:      rochester, ny ig fans? (nigc)

just wondering if there are any other ig fans living in the rochester, ny
area.  unfortunately, i joined this list just *after* the concert they did
here (otherwise, i'd probably already know based on who attended that show).

anyone?
anyone?
bueller?

cheers!
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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date:         tue, 19 aug 1997 19:59:45 -0400
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so they say that student email addresses are going to be changed to
login@emu.edu this year.  i don't know when this is going to happen,
but i'm sure that any mail still sent to me @aslan.emu.edu will still
get to me eventually.

anna (i wish they would pick a format and stick with it - this is the
fourth time in four years that it's been changed)

"the wages of sin are death, but by the time taxes are taken
out, it's just sort of a tired feeling." --paula poundstone
http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm

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subject:      shades of indigo

okay--sorry i wasn't clear--shades of indigo is a cd not a video
i can only accept blank tapes, no trading this time
the offer is still open to anyone interested
and for anyone interested here's a list of the tracks in order.

-conversation
-1 2 3
-conversation
-southland in the springtime
-conversation
-hammer and a nail--live
-conversation
-melissa--live (the allman bros. tune)
-conversation
-watershed--live
-conversation
-pushing the needle too far--live (amy really lets loose on this one)
-conversation
-you and me of the 10,000 wars--live
-conversation
-daddy's all gone--live (james taylor)

let me know soon.

--kim--

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hey everyone,

just a quick note (i'm supposed to be doing something else,
as usual).

jude and i will be making a few administrative changes
to this list soon.  stay tuned for more details (and don't
say i didn't warn you :)...

also, seeing as how we've got so many new signups on this
list (and more coming every day i'm sure, as i think the
school year has just started over there?), who wants to
do the song of the week thing again?  if there's enough
interest, maybe we could kick off with sots and then go
back to sf and work forward from there.  just kickin' some
ideas around...

anyway, yep, if you guys are interested in song of the week,
then i guess that makes this week "shame on you" week...

okay, back to work...
sherlyn
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with their stumbling and their mumbling and their calling out,
just like me..."               - dar williams

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>i think you grrls (or guys) get the idea. rin with it!


that should have said run with it. = ) damn those u's and i's are so close
together!

-liz-

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subject:      (nigc) mm chords "medicated magdalene"

medicated magdalene
michelle malone
velvel records

standard tuning, no capo

em
i'm so fucking lonely
g
and i ain't even high
em
nobody knows me
g
god knows i try

(etc...you get the idea)

d
i'm sick of people talking you can hear a bell ring
d                                                                   em
some people talking you don't hear a thing yeah
d
some people (i'm unsure of the lyrics...sorry!)...etc

c                    g         d
oh no here we go again
c               g             d
medicated magdalene
c                  d            g
sing me that song my friend
c                  g              d
and medicate me magdalene

bm                             c
ooohhh i'm feelin' so shut down
           g
on the street today
bm               c
i want you to love me then i want
    g
to run away run away yeah yeah yeah yeah yeaaaaah
em
feeling so lonely

etc..

i think you grrls (or guys) get the idea. rin with it! let me know how it
comes out....

-liz-

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hey y'all

i've enjoyed all the responses so far on batl.  i think this song is probably
about lots of things, but i've kind of interpreted it as being somewhat
autobiographical, addressing their own fear of invasion of privacy issues, of
being exploited after someone discovers they could make money by selling
their private writings.  i see them both as being really avid writers, and
probably write to the people they love at times.  i'm sure they fear what
would happen should some of their very private musings be exposed for public
consumption.

although i have to say this thought is kind of incongruous to me because if
emily had never had access to virginia woolf's diary, she wouldn't have
expressed the beautiful sentiment in the song.  so i see that as a good
thing.

you know, i think those girls walk a line between expressing their most
private feelings in their songs, yet wanting to be able to live a normal and
private existence.  i see this song as kind  of an exploration of this theme.
and that concludes my deep thoughts on this subject.  back to moving and
packing...

bonnie

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>
>the final finale: big yellow taxi!!! (joni mitchell)
>                  "pave paradise, put up a parking lot"
>                  included amy (on the banjo),
>                  and emily singing with jewel, shawn, and most everyone else.
>

all right!....(alright?) finally, an unpredictable cover :))))

'bout time! (moo)


:)))

ps well *sorta* unpredictable

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hey all,

all these set lists with guest-performers joining in on ctf and the water
is wide etc. are making me real sad that i couldn't catch the lilith fair
tour this summer!  i was travelling for a few weeks, and the tour just
didn't come by where i was for the rest of it :(   so i'm wondering, is
there anyone out there who has taped any of them?  i'd send you a blank
tape or a trade or anything you want, so please mail me if you're
interested in making me a very happy indigeek!

thanks everyone,
deb the indigeek

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hey kind friends!


i am all for doing the song of the week thread again!  that was a while
ago (like, back in the spring of 1996), so it should be great to hear what
each song means to new listees, and how the meanings have changed for some
of us old timers as well!  :)


and speaking of old threads, my bf and i were just on our way back from
eat n' park (yes bon, i know...smiley face cookies...mmmmmmmmmmm) and we
were jamming to a mixed tape he put togehter when it hit me.  as paul
simon was singing away, i was suddenly yearning for amy and emily to do a
cover of "late in the evening" with amy on lead and em picking the banjo
in the background......


the thought is making me want to mamba across the livingroom....

sweet dreams y'all!

karrie

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does anyone know if there are any announced appearance while the ig are in
the minneapolis stpaul area for lilith fair. i heard that last time they
showed up somehwere for a record signing. anyone?
...but nobody gets a lifetime rehersal     (e. sailers, "love's recovery")

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              from "sherlyn koo" at aug 20, 97 11:22 am

with all due respect to sherlyn, are there any objections to starting at
strange fire instead of sots? it'll be less repetitious that way, since the
new songs have been discussed a lot lately due to their newness anyway, and
the old thread died at the nth repetition of the debut album months ago.
kirsten

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re-sending this 'cuz it's that important.... :)


hey folks...sorry for the nigc but just letting our atlanta area listers
know about an upcoming show at eddie's....i'll simply reprint the info i was
given....

on march 30, 1997, teresa loggins, a loyal supporter of the atlanta music
scene, was severely injured when her car was struck by an uninsured,
unlicensed driver in grant park. teresa remained in critical condition at
grady's icu for 3 weeks and was transferred to piedmont hospital for 6
weeks. she has undergone massive recontructive surgery on her face and
pelvis and requires further reconstructive surgery on her leg. she is now in
physical therapy at athens regional hospital and making amazing progress.
this benefit is meant not only to raise money to help offset teresa's
medical costs but also as a chance for us to celebrate her remarkable
recovery. teresa continues to display remarkable courage, strength amd
optimism. please show your support by coming to eddie's attic on wednesday,
august 20th.

start time is 8 pm and cover is a measly 6 bucks.

performers: (this is the list i was sent and subject to change)
caroline aiken
engine
kodac harrison
josh joplin
matthew kahler
kevin lawson
lift (this one's iffy)
shawn mullins
one without
orange heat
radiant city
reversing hour
uncle mark reynolds
dede vogt

as you can see from this list teresa is well loved on the atlanta music
scene. teresa's been my friend for 8 years since i met her while waiting in
line for an ig concert (wow, i guess there is igc!!! ;) ) and it's great to
see the community give back some of the support that she's given them over
the years.

hope to see you there.....

kat

                      "if i let you do it to me, can
                       we still call it suicide?"
                             - cooper seay

                       " without love you can only resist,
                          without feeling you can't exist."
                                     - melissa ferrick

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smething to talk about  heres something we can talk about what ig songs  (
we will limit this to commerical releases)have not been ssung in concert
by the girls what i mean is have everything off every cd been sang in
concert at least  once if not which ones havent and why <g>
hugs anthony van pyre the god of all things huggy

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>the final finale: big yellow taxi!!! (joni mitchell)
>                  "pave paradise, put up a parking lot"
>                  included amy (on the banjo),
>                  and emily singing with jewel, shawn, and most everyone else.
>

>all right!....(alright?) finally, an unpredictable cover :))))
>'bout time! (moo)

oh oh, just to further clarify...this was the final finale of the lf........
sarah initiated it...
but it was way too cool!!!

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dr. roberta bondar, astronaut

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subject:      shades of indigo

i have received numerous requests for a copy of shades of indigo.  i
realistically can't handle anymore requests right now.  i will offer it
again when i'm done with all of the requests i have now.  take care.

--kim--

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where to begin....

on bates: i'm cutting my first day of classes (none scheduled anyway - i was
pretty happy) i plan on getting tixs -- it is general admission and i am
willing to bet it is the smallest venue they have played in two years that
was not a invite/promo show. susan marine, deb o'donahue, joni, amy p. - let
me know if you need tickets -- to that woman from north nh - yes i think i
can get you tickets -- let me get some definitive info before i promise
anything
(i *really* need to subscribe to ig boston to get info
on the next item...)

i heard a rumor that the goddess herself (dar williams!!!) is playing august
30th in boston @ riverfest -- does anyone have a schedule??? times
especially -- i really dont want to have to crash at the hostel, so if
someone has a couch...(pretty please???) i promise, i don't bite!
maybe dar is playing early so i could get to portland and get a cheaper
hotel room?

oh yeah -- if you need awesome hotel/ flight info -- check out expedia.com
(yes it is a microsloth site, but it is free and seems to be the one pulling
the cheapest prices!)


mike r.

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anthony van pyre's question of what *we* can talk about:
-what commercial releases have ig never performed "in concert" & why ?

"i don't wanna talk about about it" (danny whitten) - philadelphia sdtk

ig has never performed it in concert - only on d.letterman
because amy said they don't really know it.

imho the performance on letterman was better than the album - probably
because paul shaeffer's back-up band is brilliant.
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he says just *their* releases:

ig (the duo) have never done m knopfler's "romeo&juliet"

tho before they went prof, ar used to do it solo.
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they have doen that in concert i have a tape of it acutally i think i have
it on 2 differnt bootlegs

on wed, 20 aug 1997, mel wrote:

> he says just *their* releases:
>
> ig (the duo) have never done m knopfler's "romeo&juliet"
>
> tho before they went prof, ar used to do it solo.
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i said: "romeo&juliet"
but i was wrong :o(
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they've done it at least 30 times in 1992 alone -- amy played it in '95 in
california for god's sake -- high horse and life blood are much much rarer.
mike r.

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i beg you kindly forgive my grostesquely pathetic igorance--
for god's sake.

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thank you for re-iterating that which i have already been informed--
for god's sake.
--
        -- mel  <melsouth@mindspring.com>

           "what a poor appearance the tales of the poets
            make stripped of the colors which music puts
            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
                - plato


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hello all in indigo-list land,

just wanted to send thanks for everything this list has done as a whole
and amongst individuals...i'll be signing off the list.  if i owe you
any boots or anything, please send me a reminder via my personal e-mail.

thanks to all those who helped me out, joked with me, made me smile (mr
limes), made me think about myself (prejudices, issues, and all),
started me with boots/booting info, and educated me with everything
indigo.

just remember all...that words are powerful, so very powerful, that it
can change attitudes (for the better or for the worse), with or without
provocation.  they can be triggers, reminders, movers, and emotives (is
that a word? =?).  be kind with your words and listen to positive
messages in things that we have in common...the music of the indigo
girls.  communication in the ways that make a positive impact and even
possibly profitable (new friendships, good feelings, etc) for all
parties, is the key.

god bless you all.

seona
sb2@axe.humboldt.edu

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hey folks,

kirsten chevalier said:
> with all due respect to sherlyn, are there any objections to starting at
> strange fire instead of sots? it'll be less repetitious that way, since the

absolutely!  so, that means the song of the week is "strange
fire".  but of course, go ahead and discuss any other igc or
relevant nigc topic that comes to mind, as usual.

i'd start the ball rolling on "strange fire", but i don't have
much to say about it.

:)
sherlyn
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"but the wall came down, and there they stood before me,
with their stumbling and their mumbling and their calling out,
just like me..."               - dar williams

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bonnie lacey <bonnemot@aol.com> wrote:
>
> i've enjoyed all the responses so far on batl.  i think this song is probably
> about lots of things, but i've kind of interpreted it as being somewhat
> autobiographical, addressing their own fear of invasion of privacy issues, of
> being exploited after someone discovers they could make money by selling
> their private writings.  i see them both as being really avid writers, and
> probably write to the people they love at times.  i'm sure they fear what
> would happen should some of their very private musings be exposed for public
> consumption.
>
> although i have to say this thought is kind of incongruous to me because if
> emily had never had access to virginia woolf's diary, she wouldn't have
> expressed the beautiful sentiment in the song.  so i see that as a good
> thing.
>
[snip]

not to detract from your point, but virginia woolf's diaries are
probably not the best example of the unwanted posthumous publishing
of private correspondence and/or writings, as they were always
intended for publication.

woolf's family background and personal and family life were almost
exclusively bound up with london (and cambridge's) literary milieu,
in which the publishing -- either posthumously or contemporaneously
-- of such works was commonplace, and she herself made extensive
use of such materials in her writing of novels and essays.

it *is* true, however, that the untimely nature of her death,
following the recurrence of mental illness (exacerbated by the
imminent threat of invasion of england by the germans), meant that
woolf could not spend her autumnal years revising and editing her
letters and diaries as she had looked forward to.

on the other hand, our capacity for invading the private life of
celebrities has advanced by leaps and bounds since woolf's day,
fuelled not least by the voracious appetites of tabloid journalism.
so, one's best choice may be to "burn all the letters" rather than
take a chance.

p.s. i believe it was previously concluded that batl was addressed to
hillary clinton. <g>
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many many many thanks to all of you for your incredible patience.  when i
announced my berkeley boots on the ig-list in mid-july, i did not expect
(1) to immediately be out of the office the first week after i posted to
the list, nor (2) did i expect to have 14-hour workdays when i returned
to work... this project has taken longer than i expected... my apologies.

i have received nearly 80 requests for these boots, and i expect more once
people have heard them.  i know few activities more error-prone, and more
humbling, than trying to tape live music... in my experience, if something
can go wrong, it probably will.  i've taped 40+ shows this year and i think
only a few of them are good enough to share with others.  i was very lucky
with the berkeley ig-shows and i got two excellent boots... everyone who's
heard them tells me these are some of the best boots they have heard.

i have been focusing my initial replies mostly to people who volunteered
to be tapetree branches, as i knew there was no way for me to make copies
for everyone who asked me, and i wanted to build the tree as quickly as
possible.

complicating this tapetree structure has been the option of requesting
sunday's show in either of two formats.  also, the structure has been a
moving target, since a few people who initially volunteered have since
told me they are no longer able to serve as branches... but i think we
finally have a structure with enough branches, including one branch each
in australia and the uk... i'd love to find a branch living in canada.

    ----

for those who missed the original announcement, i'm offering copies of the
two indigo girls shows at berkeley california, sat july 5, and sun july 6.

  the sat show was recorded from the main floor, not far from the stage, so
  audience noise is present and noticeable (screamers) but not intrusive...
  fortunately, most of the screamers chose to do their screaming during the
  applause, not during songs or between-song comments from a&e.  during the
  sing-alongs, those close to me consistently sang 'in key'.  this evening
  show has numerous delightful moments when something goes 'wrong' and amy
  keeps us entertained with her well-known stream-of-consciousness banter.

  the sun show was taped further back from the stage, along a row of seats
  (the thrones) which line the reserved seat section of the greek theater,
  directly in front of the soundboard (considered by most to have the best
  sound in the venue).  there was almost *no* talking near me, in fact, i
  want to publicly thank derek moulaison, an ig-lister who knows most of
  their songs by heart, an ig-lister who can play guitar along with them,
  and an ig-lister who loves to sing along to their music.  derek sat next
  to me during this show and remained completely silent for the *entire*
  show because he knew i was taping... it is because of derek's sacrifice
  and self-discipline that the sun show is so good (thanks derek!).

  each show offers a slightly different concert experience... the sat show
  is filled with typical (but non obtrusive) sounds of enthusiastic ig-fans,
  and has some excellent versions of some songs (ghost gives me chills and
  sys with the billy tipton memorial saxophone quartet is not only unusual,
  it contains one of several hilarious amy moments.  the sun show is more
  interesting musically, offering michelle malone on several songs, and has
  a more interesting setlist (with tangled up in blue, an unusual segue
  from scooter boys to cortez the killer, and wild horses... this is also
  the show where ig-lister wendell lee joins them onstage during their ctf
  encore.

  both tapes have complete songs, with no songs missing or cut off... the
  only technical glitch i had was for the sun show where occasional gusts
  of wind blowing against my mic's allows some low rumble (wind flutter)
  to be heard during some quiet moments (i forgot the foam wind screens
  for my microphones)... both tapes have had channels balanced to put you
  aurally along the venue's centerline.  at appropriate points (like the
  beginning and end of show, and during tape changes) i've used fade-ins
  and fade-outs to avoid the abrupt song changes found on most boots.

  the sat july 5 show is 110 minutes and needs  one 110-min tape.

  the sun july 6 show is 120 minutes and needs  one 120-min tape
                                          *or*  two  60-min tapes.
    ----

the tapetree structure:

  we have a tapetree containing one branch each for the uk and australia.

  if anyone would like to volunteer to be a canadian branch, let me know.

  for u.s. residents, we have 12 branches... 6 each for the two formats
  of the sun show... in the tapetree list below, please choose a branch
  (1) assigned to your birth month, and (2) has the sun-show format you
  want... either one 120-min, or two 60-min tapes.
          ^^^^^^              ^^
  all branches have 110-min tapes for the sat show.

  there are also overflow branches, and if need arises there may be more.

  if anyone needs a 'special' format, please contact me.

i have sent j-card liners to all branches on the tree... if your branch is
unable to provide copies of the j-card liner, i can send you an email copy
as a bitmap (.bmp) attachment.

i have traded with several of these branches before, and know some of them
personally... in fact i've partied with one or two <g>... but some are new
to this tapetree stuff, so please treat them gently and make a new friend.

  --> if you are trading for blank tapes and a sase, you can do
      yourself and your branch a big favor by doing the following:

      1.  assure your sase has proper return postage... have it weighed!
      2.  use stamps on your sase, not a postage-meter strip.
      3.  with your blank tapes, include a note which lists:
          a.  what boots you want
          b.  your name, email address, and snail-mail address

also, some branches have not yet sent me their blanks, so they do
not yet have copies of these boots... please be patient with them.

if anyone has problems, please let me know.

i am still available to make copies for those of you who want to get your
boots as close to the 'seed' tape as possible... just remember that i will
need 4 hours to make *each* set of tapes (i never use high-speed dubbing),
so if i receive lots of blanks in the mail, i'll make copies first-come,
first-serve... it may take awhile to get to your tapes... that's why we
have this tapetree... it spreads the copying effort amongst many people.

one last thing... if you want to contact me via email, to discuss anything
about these boots... please include somewhere in the subject-line the two
words 'berkeley boots'... my email filters will capture your message and
put it in a special folder i use to hold all berkeley boot email... and
yes, spelling *does* count, as spelling berkeley wrong will prevent email
filters from finding your email... i may not see it for days... or weeks.


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                     berkeley boots tapetree structure
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if you live *out* of the united states, look for a branch near you...

  =========  ===========================================  =======  =======
  locations       branch  -  email address and name         sat      sun
  =========  ===========================================  =======  =======

   canada             --  any  volunteers?  --

  uk/europe  h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk (helene burningham)  1 - 110  1 - 120

  australia  sherlyn@fl.net.au (sherlyn koo)              1 - 110  2 - 60's
    & asia


if you live *in* the united states, look for the branch
    1. assigned to your birth month and
    2. has the sunday show format you want:

    choose one 120-min tape or two 60-min tapes for sunday's show.
           ^^^^^^^^^^^         ^^^^^^^^^^

  =======   ===========================================   =======  =======
   dates        branch  -  email address and name           sat      sun
  =======   ===========================================   =======  =======

  jan/feb   deyouns@hub01.tds-gn.lmco.com (sue deyoung)   1 - 110  2 - 60's
  jan/feb   hunterj1@aol.com (jude)                       1 - 110  1 - 120

  mar/apr   rmason1106@aol.com (resa)                     1 - 110  2 - 60's
  mar/apr   mchaffee@oxy.edu (marta)                      1 - 110  1 - 120

  may/jun   dlieben@rcip.com (dave lieben)                1 - 110  2 - 60's
  may/jun   leselle@eskimo.com (lucy richert)             1 - 110  1 - 120

  jul/aug   jriley@sophia.smith.edu (jennie)              1 - 110  2 - 60's
  jul/aug   jx2@earthlink.net (julie fitch)               1 - 110  1 - 120

  sep/oct   mct@avalon.net (maggie)                       1 - 110  2 - 60's
  sep/oct   mhb@entelechy.com (monique barbanson)         1 - 110  1 - 120

  nov/dec   traci@lieberman.com (traci loth)              1 - 110  2 - 60's
  nov/dec   ndygotiggr@aol.com (tigger)                   1 - 110  1 - 120


in case any of the branches get overwhelmed, feel free to ask for help from
either of the following.  it is likely there will be more overflow branches
as i hear from others who said they were willing to volunteer as branches.
i will update this list as needed...

  =====================================================   =======   =======
      overflow branches  --  email address and name         sat       sun
  =====================================================   =======   =======

  guinione@aol.com (chris)                                1 - 110   1 - 120

  jmiller@wdl.lmco.com (john miller)                      1 - 110   2 - 60's
  jmiller@wdl.lmco.com (john miller)                      1 - 110   1 - 120


if anyone needs any kind of special handling (odd tape formats/sizes/etc),
please contact me... any problems/questions, please contact me... branches
are supplied with one show format for each day, and may not have the time
and/or equipment to do special handling for you... i will continue to make
copies for people requesting them.

thanks y'all...  :)

john miller  <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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i would like to offer my sots flats for boots (i have 5).
i also have a b stage tape for anyone who wants to trade, as well.
artists include:

alisha's attic
cinnamon
save ferris
kim fox
patty griffin
k's choice
chantal kreviakuk
kami lyle
tara mclean
holly mcnarland
september 67
sister 7
ugly beauty
wild strawberries
noella hutton

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first of all it is totally against netiquette to post a private responce to
a public list, i did cc: my post to you, it was not a criticism in any way -

apoligies if it sounded that way -- it was late..

a "not so young" mike r.

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i will post a full personal review of the happenings last night in
milwaukee a little later, but i at least wanted to get the setlist out and
a snippet of the review that was in the morning paper here (mainly because
it was a review i finally agree with :)

the setlist was:

1) shed your skin (w/ jewel's celloist -- very cool jam between him and amy)
2) get out the map
3) tried to be true
4) power of two (w/ shawn colvin's bassist carl klein)
5) shame on you
6) happy birthday (it was josh and sarah's b-days the previous day so amy
and emily asked us to join them in song. j&s were presented little lit
cakes (at least i assume they were cakes -- sulli brought one out to sarah
and i can't remember who brought josh's out.)
7) galileo
8) chickenman (w/mr. buzzard lyrics -- i really like how amy did part of
the lyrics rap-like. she is so damn awesome.)
9) water is wide (w/jewel and sarah -- as beautiful as everyone has been
saying)
10) ctf (w/ jewel, sarah, meredith brooks, connie grauer (of mrs. fun),
shawn colvin -- the first time i have enjoyed this tune in a long time. i
mean jewel yodeled during it -- how can one not like that risk! :)

more later, but here's what the milwaukee journal sentinel said about ig's
appearance, atleast. it's here without permission, of course and comments
in parentheses are mine:

never mind the calm these women can play
by dave tianen
milwaukee journal sentinel pop music critic

charges of excessive serenity have been leveled against the lilith fair
festival, and it's true -- there was very little spitting of blood or
mutation of small mammals at the marcus amphitheater on tuesday night.

on the other, when you've got 23,000 (the place actually seats 24,000 and
it was a sellout) people on their feet singing "closer to fine" at full
wattage with indigo girls,  sarah mclachlan, shawn colvin,  jewel, meredith
brooks and mrs. fun (actually just connie grauer / kim zick remained in her
seat a few rows in front of greg flamer and i) well, that's exactly a
triple hit of valium and warm milk.

the most talked-about and successful summer concert tour of 1997 lived up
to, for the most part, its imposing reputation.

to these ears, the most pleasant surprise was the indigo girls. until
tuesday night i'd tended to slot amy ray and emily saliers as mildly
pleasant folkies with bent toward excessive political correctness and
obscure lyric writing.

i now been re-educated.

the indigo girls had the crowd up on their feet for their entire set, and
what really nailed it was a couple of their new terrific summer songs from
their new album. convertibles and 80-degree days were invented for tunes
such as "shame on you" and "get out the map." if there was problem with the
indigos it was that that spectacular sing-along to "closer to fine" set up
a very tough act for sarah mclachlan to follow.

(continues on with review of sarah and the rest but it's too much to type)

deb

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hi all,
     just delurking for a moment to respond to this email. they performed
romeo and juliet at the secret show at eddie's attic a few years ago
(ithink).  my husband is a huge fan of this song and i know that he has
seen them perform it at shows around 1989 or 1990.

smiles,
allison

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hey everyone ...

sitting home with a touch of the flu, i looked over at a small pile of
stacked newspapers ... the nyc/ct g & l paper "in the life" - the one with
the article and pics of a & e ...

i have a couple of extras (some are for friends not in the region) - so if
anyone would like to get one, please e-mail me privately ...

chris

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are there any songs on the cds released( normal ones like self titled
strange fire nomads saints and indians etc etc) that have not been
performed in concert at least once

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hallo kind friends..

are any of you going for the calgary lilith this friday? i have a friend
who is going for it. i'm the only other ig fan she knows, so i told her
i'd try and hook her up with some of you folks. i myself can't go for it
as i'm far away in san francisco. anyway.. if there is a list meet or
something going on please let me know and i'll pass on the information
to my friend..

thanks y'all..

omi

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<<woolf's family background and personal and family life were almost
exclusively bound up with london (and cambridge's) literary milieu,
in which the publishing -- either posthumously or contemporaneously
-- of such works was commonplace, and she herself made extensive
use of such materials in her writing of novels and essays.

it *is* true, however, that the untimely nature of her death,
following the recurrence of mental illness (exacerbated by the
imminent threat of invasion of england by the germans), meant that
woolf could not spend her autumnal years revising and editing her
letters and diaries as she had looked forward to.>>

one last thing on woolf's diaries.  we must realize her diaries as well as
subsequent biographies were edited by woolf's husband leonard.  references to
her childhood incestual experiences as well as her sapphic relationship(s)
are understood to be heavily diluted by his touch.  leonard's role in his
relationship with his celebrated wife is characterized as that of an older,
doting father.  with that in mind we can all guess at the amount information
which bypassed his scrutiny.

one question....hillary clinton?  i hadn't heard that...where did this
reference come from?

michelle

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>
> are there any songs on the cds released( normal ones like self titled
> strange fire nomads saints and indians etc etc) that have not been
> performed in concert at least once
>
no. i have boots of every single song on every single commercially released
album (with the exception of 1200 curfews, but that's a live album anyway, so
boots of the shows on which it is based are probably out there) except
"airplane", and someone offered me a boot with "airplane" on it a while ago
and never followed through (or maybe i didn't follow through.)
kirsten

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and to add to this ...

>> are there any songs on the cds released( normal ones like self titled
>> strange fire nomads saints and indians etc etc) that have not been
>> performed in concert at least once
>>
>no. i have boots of every single song on every single commercially released
>album (with the exception of 1200 curfews, but that's a live album anyway, so
>boots of the shows on which it is based are probably out there) except
>"airplane", and someone offered me a boot with "airplane" on it a while ago
>and never followed through (or maybe i didn't follow through.)
>kirsten

i saw them do "airplane" at brandeis just after the album was released - the
roches opened for them and sang with them (does anyone have a boot of this
concert?), and they closed with an awesome version of "tangled up in blue" -
a good concert, except the venue sucked (gyms are lousy places to hold
concerts!)
                  -joan
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at 09:53 pm 8/19/97 -0400, lorie driscoll <<loried@one.net> wrote:

>>the final finale: big yellow taxi!!! (joni mitchell)

>>                  "pave paradise, put up a parking lot"

>>                  included amy (on the banjo),

>>                  and emily singing with jewel, shawn, and most
everyone else.

>>

>

>all right!....(alright?) finally, an unpredictable cover :))))


they did it at least once before, as a finale at the 04/30/94 earth jam
(stone mountain, ga.).


=-=-=-=


at 11:42 am 8/19/97 -0400, vicki toye wrote:

>i understood the press release for hte to read that only bonnie was

>playing at the warner in dc.  is this true, or are the girls going to
be

>there, too?  anyone??


epic said:  "a highlight of the tour is a special "no nukes" call to
action concert <underline>with special guest</underline> bonnie raitt in
washington, d.c. on september 24."

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at 12:28 pm 8/19/97 -0400, xg1rl@aol.com wrote:
>it has to do with soldiers raiding native american homes, when they were
>forced to leave their land for reservations.  burning all the letters between
>loved ones and themselves before soldiers and other outsiders got their hands
>on them and exploited personal experiences for "history"'s sake.

source?

=-=-=-=

at 11:08 am 8/19/97 -0700, mark garber wrote:
>hi everyone!  i could of sworn that i read or heard emily explain
>burn...

this was in the music central interview (see link on my ig page):

===================================================

question.  are there any songs on this album that have a
          personal, an especially personal meaning for
          either of you?

amy.       you always say this after you make a record, but
          it's probably my most personal record, my most
          direct, my most literal, my most unhinged. i don't
          care what anybody thinks. this is how i felt; this is
          how i feel. i need to get it out: a "this one's for me"
          kind of feeling.

emily.     yeah. these songs are very personal. but some are
          more experimental for me, like "caramia" is more
          electric guitar. first time that's happened for me.
          and i stuck two ideas of songs together. never
          really done that before. and then "burn all the
          letters" is a song that i started writing in the
          studio. never done that before either never
          really done that before. and then "burn all the
          letters" is a song that i started writing in the
          studio. never done that before either; just kind of
          jamming.
-------
question.  what inspired that?

emily.     well a lot was our honor the earth tour, and
          some of the native americans that we've met.
          and also that whole issue of privacy, which i think
          about a lot.
-------
question. that must be a big issue for you.

emily.     well, it's not so bad really, but i think about the
          way human beings are really interested to know
          every detail of everyone else's life. and then i
          coupled that with the injustice of having
          government agencies infiltrating your life, and
          watching you, and sometimes killing you. i just
          sort of tied those things together loosely in my
          mind, and in that song.

===================================================

this was from an article on the lilith fair site:

"regardless of their methods, both writers weight their songs with meanings
as roundly shaded as those of reality itself. in "scooter boys," amy ray
nails oppression in images both present and past (the ghost of zapata, the
rumble of scooters); in "burn all the letters," emily saliers joins the
personal and political. "the song's about the public's insatiable desire for
consumption of things intended to be private," she explains. "it's also about
protecting the sacredness of a love by destroying the physical evidence."


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> i saw them do "airplane" at brandeis just after the album was released - the
> roches opened for them and sang with them (does anyone have a boot of this
> concert?), and they closed with an awesome version of "tangled up in blue" -
> a good concert, except the venue sucked (gyms are lousy places to hold
> concerts!)


yep!  i was there too, it happened.  i echo everything joan says,
including that the gosman center has terrible accoustic properties.
although it was the best tangled up in blue i've ever heard, including
dylan and 1200c.  its amazing joan, we have the exact same memories of
this show ;)

the only song i would even hae a question about is "come together,"
but i think they played that one often in the "early days".  they can
be forgiven for neglecting it recently, its not even their song....

by the way, yet another reason why i like the ig.  they aren't tied to
keeping a song the way it was in the studio -- and beacause of that
they will play the entire collection live.  take sys.  in the studio,
lots of overdubs, loops, and studio fun.  then they take it on the
warm up tour (at mama kin for me) -- just the duo.  it just rocked.
then for the main sots tour (great woods), ulali not only does the
part they did in the studio, but they vocalize a version of the intro
loop, and play.  some people will not do a song because they are
afraid of how people may react to hearing differently.  ig take that
risk.  aren't they just the best-est? ;)

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if that is the case then lets star wiht  say color me grey has every song
on there been performed live in concert

on wed, 20 aug 1997, kirsten chevalier wrote:

> >
> > are there any songs on the cds released( normal ones like self titled
> > strange fire nomads saints and indians etc etc) that have not been
> > performed in concert at least once
> >
> no. i have boots of every single song on every single commercially released
> album (with the exception of 1200 curfews, but that's a live album anyway, so
> boots of the shows on which it is based are probably out there) except
> "airplane", and someone offered me a boot with "airplane" on it a while ago
> and never followed through (or maybe i didn't follow through.)
> kirsten
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hey!

remind me again who did the commercial that's currently running for
goodyear.  i feel all warm whenever i hear that girls voice.  : o )

scott
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> if that is the case then lets star wiht  say color me grey has every song
> on there been performed live in concert


ummm... i'm not sure if i understand that.... sentence, are you
suggesting we should start by discussing the very early releases
(pre-epic) because the songs on them were played in concert at one
time or another?

i don't think that is a good idea.  not everyone has been to enough
concerts to hear all the songs (e.g. lifeblood).  nor can everyone can
get their hands on a copy of the release.  i'd be afraid the
coversation would be stunted at best and elitist at worst. better to
stick with the epic releases which most people have -- and if they
don't they can get them if they want to relatively easily.

                        $0.02,

                          chris

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so amy putnam wrote me....

> > the only song i would even hae a question about is "come together,"
> > but i think they played that one often in the "early days".  they can
> > be forgiven for neglecting it recently, its not even their song....
>
> ytou mean get together?  ;)


i sure as hell do.... *sigh*

man i really need to finish this f--ing thesis....


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the first time i saw ig in concert was during the rop tour. a friend had
loaned me nis about 2 weeks before the concert and then called me the
day before the concert and asked if i wanted a ticket to the show. by
this time i had listened to nis about 300 times so i was ready to go
(great seats too, 8th row center). i was totally digging the show and
then everyone left the stage except amy. she did a blistering, searing,
soulful version of romeo and juliet. by the time she was done i had
tears in my eyes and i was an ig convert for life. amy's performance of
r&j that night was perhaps the most amazing performance of a song i have
ever seen. amazing.

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

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>from:  allison hastings [smtp:alhastings@mindspring.com]
>sent:  wednesday, august 20, 1997 7:30 am
>subject:       r&j in concert
>
>hi all,
>     just delurking for a moment to respond to this email. they performed
>romeo and juliet at the secret show at eddie's attic a few years ago
>(ithink).  my husband is a huge fan of this song and i know that he has
>seen them perform it at shows around 1989 or 1990..
>
>smiles,
>allison

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on wed, 20 aug 1997, christopher m. becker wrote:

> > if that is the case then lets star wiht  say color me grey has every song
> > on there been performed live in concert
>
>
> ummm... i'm not sure if i understand that.... sentence, are you
> suggesting we should start by discussing the very early releases
> (pre-epic) because the songs on them were played in concert at one
> time or another?
no im not saying that you must have mised the previous conversation  i
said have all the songs on all the comemrical (ie strange fire indigo
girls nomads saints indians etcetc) have been played in concert  it has
been established that they have so i then said if thats the case then lets
go with the earlier stuff has everythign off color me grey been performed
in concert ie are they available on a concert boot

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hey everyone,
     can someone please e-mail me the website address with ig tour dates on
it. thanks a bunch! ~deb
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hello fellow listers...

i wanted to know for my own personal ref. all the sets i've heard the
girls do in concert (don't worry it's only four concerts)

does anyone know the set list for...

-newport, folk fest august 11, 1996
-university of new hampshire, march ?? 1997
-great woods (aka pay-per-view), june 6, 1997
-lilith fair -pittsburgh, august 12, 1997

thanks y'all
-alanna

ps my gf wants to know what a scooter boy is, and since i don't know i
thought i'd ask yous.

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scott wm eastman <crispian@writeme.com,> asked:

>remind me again who did the commercial that's currently running for
>goodyear.  i feel all warm whenever i hear that girls voice.  : o )

jonatha brooke <sigh>... one of my favorite singer/songwriters.

now that she's moved to the left coast, perhaps i'll see more of her.

she's not well-known, but i think several here would enjoy her music.

most record stores list her music under the name of the band with whom
she used to play, 'the story'... her last blue thumb album (1995/96?)
is entitled 'plumb' and i often leave it on my cd-player on 'repeat'.

she'll soon release a new album, and is playing chicago and detroit
gigs this weekend... check her out!

    aug 22 1997   chicago, il   schuba's       312-733-1090
    aug 23 1997   chicago, il   schuba's       312-733-1090
    aug 24 1997   detroit, mi   the magic bag  248-544-3030

john miller - who met our own susan b. marine at a jonatha show last feb :)
san jose ca

john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>  or  <john.p.miller@lmco.com>
san jose ca

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>
> hey!
>
> remind me again who did the commercial that's currently running for
> goodyear.  i feel all warm whenever i hear that girls voice.  : o )
>

jonatha brooke (formerly of the story; she has a new solo album coming out
sometime soon.) she is awesome, even if she did prostitute herself by doing
a tire commercial.
kirsten

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i was also at the show -- wasn't the "river" one of the best ig moments i
ever saw...i thought that show was intense, one of the best ig shows i saw
-- and the roaches were not too bad - tho ejs would have been amazing...

with dreams of immortality,
mike r.

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at 04:36 pm 8/20/97 edt, kirsten chevalier wrote:
>> remind me again who did the commercial that's currently running for
>> goodyear.  i feel all warm whenever i hear that girls voice.  : o )
>>
>
>jonatha brooke (formerly of the story; she has a new solo album coming out
>sometime soon.) she is awesome, even if she did prostitute herself by doing
>a tire commercial.

in your opinion.

we have no clue as to the process jonatha went through in coming to the
decision to make that commercial. it's one thing to have an opinion, quite
to another to state it as fact.

please folks, can we do a little better job qualifying and quantifying our
statements?

deb

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hey kids
so i'm out looking for blank tapes of more than 90 min in length and
decide to buy a cd just for the sake of it..(ooh, money) anyhow, i can't
find dar (williams) anywhere for a reasonable price so i go to the ig
section and woo i found rop for 14.99 (canadian,...a bit cheaper than
anywhere else i'd seen it). so i'm all happy and buy it, nearing to
complete the collection and not shelling over a huge amount for it.
while at the till, it's scanned and miracle of all mircales it only cost
9.87! (with tax it came to $11) anyhow, i have no idea how or why it
did, but all i can say is, someone's smiling on me and my cheap rates!
  just thought i'd share that lil bit for ammusement...
amanda rae
mr. andy stochansky...he barks with the best of em...;
http://members.tripod.com/~dykeland2/index-andy.html

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>
> we have no clue as to the process jonatha went through in coming to the
> decision to make that commercial.

no, but in my opinion (and anything i say is just that), using one's talents
to hawk products always equals prostituting oneself, so if you agree with
that opinion, she prostituted herself regardless of what decision process
she went through, and if you do not agree with that opinion, she did not
prositute herself regardless of what decision process she went through. so,
her decision process is irrelevant either way.
kirsten

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whoa!  sorta seems like kristen was making a sarcastic joke.  and we all
have the right to our own opinion, don't forget, and who says we have to
qualify it by recounting the "process" of jonatha brooke?  and some people
may think anyone who does a commercial is prostituting him- or herself,
regardless of process.  there is no quantifying or qualifying that needs
to happen.  remember when we teach people not to use "i" in research
papers (and to never say imo)?  it is because it is obviously the writer's
opinion.
-garian

on wed, 20 aug 1997, deb reiser wrote:

> at 04:36 pm 8/20/97 edt, kirsten chevalier wrote:
> >> remind me again who did the commercial that's currently running for
> >> goodyear.  i feel all warm whenever i hear that girls voice.  : o )
> >>
> >
> >jonatha brooke (formerly of the story; she has a new solo album coming out
> >sometime soon.) she is awesome, even if she did prostitute herself by doing
> >a tire commercial.
>
> in your opinion.
>
> we have no clue as to the process jonatha went through in coming to the
> decision to make that commercial. it's one thing to have an opinion, quite
> to another to state it as fact.
>
> please folks, can we do a little better job qualifying and quantifying our
> statements?
>
> deb
>
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kirsten chevalier <kirsten@spike.wellesley.edu> added:

>jonatha brooke (formerly of the story; she has a new solo album coming out
>sometime soon.) she is awesome

i think so too!  well-crafted and touching lyrics, inventive melodies,
and a delightful live stage presence.

>even if she did prostitute herself by doing a tire commercial.

i'm not sure i understand... she did not sell one of her own songs for
commercial interests, and her name is not credited on the ad... only
those already familiar with her (wonderful) voice will recognize it's
her... i can think of few better ways to assure a steady income with
minimal demands on a singer's career than to do voice-overs, and after
her former label (blue thumb) crashed, she's been hard-pressed to earn
sufficient steady income to permit touring until she could find a new
distribution deal.

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late last night i tried to think of an answer to the ? of which ig song
had not been performed. i guessed r&j and was immediately informed by
the poster of the original ? that r&j had in fact been performed in
concert. i've seen ig a couple dozen times - they never did it that i
could recall - oh, well - i don't consider it a great loss.

however, after being informed i posted to the list re:wed 20 aug 2:04
-0400 :
>i said romeo&juliet
>but i was wrong :o(

since then, i have been inundated with e-mails informing me that
romeo&juliet has been performed detailing exactly where & when.
thank you for the information to all who wrote to tell me of my error.
should the subject ever come up in my private life - i will be well
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hey, i agree with deb. let's not atack artists for doing commercials. shawn
colvin has done commercials for sears and disneyland this year and i
thought they were great. i think if an artist can actually sing a jingle
with a straight face, they deserve to laugh their butts off all the way to
the bank. personally, i don't care why they do it, i'm just glad it breaks
up the monotonous parade of absolute crap that television is steadily
becomming. i mean, i'm sitting there, trying to find something decent to
look at because i have 30 min. to kill and i've read every shred of paper
in the house twice, and i'm growing increasingly frustrated when i hear
shawn colvin's soothing voice waxing poetic about the happiest place on
earth, while some jerk-wad announcer is extolling the virtues of
refinancing your house so you can take your kids to disneyland. personally,
i thank shawn colvin and jonatha brooks for providing a few, albeit small
moments of viewing pleasure for me.

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        mind you, i have no official info on the subject, but it was
always my personal view that this was really a pretty devestatingly,
subtly hilarious song, the girls showing they are not taking themselves
too seriously.  what with the rather experimental musical arrangement, it
just kind of made senese.  and it struck me that the whole "the
government's on the phone" bit, if not intended as a bit tongue in the
cheek, would just be far too heavy handed and even a touch
self-indulgent.  a little bit of conspiracy-age paranoia and appreciation
that the world's going way too far with it all.  besides, they sound to
me like they're having a lot of fun while they're singing it, and put it
in such a personal context.  the indigenous theory never came to mind
what with all of the rambling over 'something left for your husband,
maybe you left it under the bed' but i'll have to listen to it again to
see. oh well, just my (rather incoherent) .02.
                                        -diane.

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>no, but in my opinion (and anything i say is just that), using one's
>talents
>to hawk products always equals prostituting oneself, so if you agree
>with
>that opinion, she prostituted herself regardless of what decision
>process
>she went through, and if you do not agree with that opinion, she did
>not
>prositute herself regardless of what decision process she went
>through. so,
>her decision process is irrelevant either way.
>kirsten

        wait a minute! what do we all do for a living then?  ad execs
have a talent for coming up with appealing ads.  they use that to hawk a
product.  singers go on talk shows and use their lovely personalities and
abilities to enchant live studio audiences to sell their albums.  gas
station attendants use their talent for gas pumping to hawk gas.
engineers use their technical designing abitlities to hawk space shuttles
to the governemnt by making the best design.  leonardo davinci received
commisions to complete works for the kings of the time.  computer store
salesmen use their gift for gab and technical knowledge to sell you
stuff.  teachers sell their talent for teaching and their knowledge.  way
too broad a definiton.

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ok, i'll take a bite out of this one :)

i love this song - i think it's one of my favorites.

here's my question - didn't someone post about a biblical reference to
strange fire in the old testament?  i havent been to church in about 15 years
so maybe someone with a little more bible expertise than i have can help in
this matter.  in fact, i miss *most* of the biblical references in ig
songs........ with the minor exception of wood song which was pretty obvious
from the last time i can remember going to sunday school (that would probably
be the time i was asked to leave the classroom when i asked the teacher where
all the elephants went to the bathroom......grin)  amyray...... would be
interested to hear others' ideas about the biblical "strange fire"
reference..........

later............

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in a message dated 8/21/97 12:39:54 am, you wrote:

<<hey everyone,
     can someone please e-mail me the website address with ig tour dates on
it. thanks a bunch! ~deb
               (debster21@aol.com)
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i'm leaving for college in a little over twelve hours. this would be a
wonderful gift...thanks in advance.

tufts university bound,
julie

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i've added sots to my page of "all i need to know i learned from the
indigo girls"

if you want to check it out, it's at:
        http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/know.htm

anna

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lettuce knows more than you do.  it knows whether or not that light
really does go out when the refrigerator door shuts."  --michael torguson
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hey!  time yet again for a quick review of yet another concert attended by
me where ig have played.  i think i'm up to 16.  i am not bragging just
amazed i've seen them that many times and still get so excited about it!
        milwaukee--a fine american city off the shores of lake michigan in
cheesy wisconsin.  the marcus ampitheatre holds about 24,000 folks and it
was jam packed.  food lines were long.  bathroom lines were long.  there
were gay people.  there were straight people.  people in the back had a
poor view.  some people got drunk and were annoying.  others were gawking
like children. sound familiar?  well just proves my point of a week ago--i
attended a...drumroll please...concert.  wow!  the same result as the world
theater.  conclusion:  large outdoor theaters produce similar results for
concerts.  make of it what you can and just have fun.
        back to lilith.  i arrived just in time to see dar williams.  she
clearly got the largest crowd for any of the second stage performances.
she was on!  what a great performer.  she is hysterical.
        missed pat benatar :(.
        shawn colvin was fun.  she was wearing what looked like a down
pillow tha exploded.  this big white foofy thing engulfed her.  i think she
thought it was milwaukee in february--summer shawn summer!
        jewel was fun too.  i still say her voice is very nice and
powerful.  much to my chagrin we did not get a yodeling encore.  but man
she must've had a horrible breakup after seeing the emotion put into
foolish games.  poor jewel.
        ig should have closed the show.  after all their energy i was in no
mood for the mellow sarah to come out afterwards.  love sarah but ig should
have headlined (like the milwaukee article said that deb posted).  fashion
update:  amy looked like crap.  in fact i'd say she has gained 30-40
pounds.  emily on the other hand is svelt!   i mean we're talking like a
beanpole!  it's a bad joke i know.  they looked great as always.   deb
posted the setlist already--talk about brief but i'll take it.  the mr
buzzard soc in chickenman was vintage amy.  god is she a god.  the water is
wide harmony with jewel and sarah was amazing.  i got chills up my spine.
god do i love quality harmony!   and singing ctf with everyone yet again
proved to be a great change to that song.  btw  who is meredith brooks and
why is she worthy of a verse in ctf. ok she has that bitch song but i would
have preferred shawn to get her own verse or maybe pat benatar! oh well.
jewel yodeling was classic and amusing and quite fun.  the crowd loved it.
        then came sarah and everyone got all quiet and sat down or even
left.  ig clearly stole the show--like we're surprised.
        oh and ig came back out for sarah's encore and did big yellow taxi.
seeing a and e sing together into one microphone got many females
excited--you know who you are!  it was such a great finale.  at one point
emily and pat benatar were the only two singing making me scream with joy.
deb had to look the other way and pretend she didn't know me.  :)

concert highlights:
1)it didn't rain til the very end
2)sarah's shiny tight pants--i hope she washed them since chicago
3)amy's smile--man was she happy to be out there that night!

concert lowlights:
1)dar williams deciding she needed to show the crowd that she hadn't shaved
her pits in a week because she was at the womyn's music festival in
michigan.  too much info dar honey!
2)shawn colvin's previously mentioned feather shirt--i thought it might
still be living!
3)no strange fire

that's it.  thanks again deb for hooking me up with tix.  great to see you,
kira, alycia and abigail  (and cheryl from eau claire right at the end!).
until concert #17 i bid adieu

gf

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subject:      nigc needing to hear form lanie bittner

this is becoming a habit & i am sorry for wasting bandwidth but......

lanie......

are you still interested in trading with me for mt holyoke?  please email me
one way or the other.

thanks!

peace, harmony & indigo,

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emily: i'm amy, she's ray.
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>
>         wait a minute! what do we all do for a living then?

you're mixing up selling one's talents with using one's talents to sell
other, unrelated things which you may or may not believe in.
kirsten

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> >
> >         wait a minute! what do we all do for a living then?
>
> you're mixing up selling one's talents with using one's talents to sell
> other, unrelated things which you may or may not believe in.
> kirsten

soooo....if we love our jobs, it's just using our talents.  if
we maybe hate our jobs and are just working to eat and have a roof over
our heads, it's prostituting ourselves?

hmmm....

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> >
> > you're mixing up selling one's talents with using one's talents to sell
> > other, unrelated things which you may or may not believe in.
> > kirsten
>
> soooo....if we love our jobs, it's just using our talents.  if
> we maybe hate our jobs and are just working to eat and have a roof over
> our heads, it's prostituting ourselves?
>

no. to make things a little more concrete: if i had a voice like jonatha
brooke's but couldn't make a steady income by music alone, i'd rather do data
entry or work at <ugh> mcdonald's (while trying to build a reputation as a
musician if possible, of course) than do voice-overs. that's just me (although
i think i'm far from alone in that sentiment.) i wouldn't be ashamed of myself
for working at a non-talent-requiring job just to make a buck, but i would be
ashamed of myself if i exploited my talents to promote something i despised.
kirsten

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in a message dated 97-08-20 23:59:00 edt, kirsten writes:

<< you're mixing up selling one's talents with using one's talents to sell
other, unrelated things which you may or may not believe in. >>

can i ask a couple of really dumb questions?

1) what does one have to believ in in order to be in a tire commerical?

2) what difference does it make if she chooses to be in a tire commercial, a
trojans commercial, or no commercial at all?  seein as how its her voice &
all....

and 3) why are we talking about this on the list?  there's no igc at all, and
tho i'm not flaming the original poster - goddess knows i've posted enough
nigc myself - i might be getting a little warm on the folks who insist on
dragging it out about self-prostitution and the beliefs one must hold in
order to sing the praises of a radial retread.

peace, harmony & indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism
  ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
   ~president, grlchasr26 fan club
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and he said, cause you're in my front yard!
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if anyone wants the answers to the 80's pop quiz from a few weeks back i
finally have them, so email me privately.

dee

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                     yo......i believe in tires.........when i drive without
'em the sparks from my wheels set the national parks on fire........we don't
need that, now do we???  hey, .......if i had a voice like that and someone
said , "i'll pay you to sing about tires".......well sir, they couldn't get
me to stop singin' about tires......."good-freakin' -year...goooood-freakin'
- year.....gimme my cheeeeck...."    yessir, i believe in tires.

                             brian  "hell, put 'em in my backyard"  beasley

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in response to greg's detailed account of the milwaukee lf we (myself and
visiting friend, betsy) will just add minimal commentary on last night's
show that, to say the least, kicked:


at 09:31 pm 8/20/97 -0600, you wrote:
>hey!  time yet again for a quick review of yet another concert attended by
>me where ig have played.  i think i'm up to 16.  i am not bragging just
>amazed i've seen them that many times and still get so excited about it!

yeah, yeah, well it was only our first, but we wouldn't have wanted to lose
our indigo virginity any other way. =o)


>        milwaukee--a fine american city off the shores of lake michigan in
>cheesy wisconsin.  the marcus ampitheatre holds about 24,000 folks and it
>was jam packed.

yes, yes, we'll put in a plug for the official lf site (www.lilithfair.com),
which promptly displayed a wonderful summary and photos of the show.

> food lines were long.  bathroom lines were long.

weeeell, much to the chagrin of betsy, abigail discovered the lines were
almost non-existant during jewel's amazing performance. <ducking> she was
great, that chick can write, yodel, play a mean guitar, brings tears to the
eyes and is totally hot (on this we both agree, which is rare!!!)  but when
restrooms without lines and arby's beckon, what's a girl to do?

>there
>were gay people.

really?!?!?!  queers at an ig concert?!  hmmmmmm....  and we thought rainbow
was just the new fall color scheme.  ;o)

> there were straight people.

yeah, like that security guard ("hey, i got to meet emily and annie this
morning...") that kept hitting on us.  he seemed to get the message though
when abigail belted out "when the beautiful ladies walk right by, you know i
never know what to say" even louder than amy.  i, betsy, personally think he
was just plain scared of her, i know i am.

> some people got drunk and were annoying.

one drunk guy offered us his wallet though, so hey...

>        back to lilith.  i arrived just in time to see dar williams.  she
>clearly got the largest crowd for any of the second stage performances.
>she was on!  what a great performer.  she is hysterical.

well, we passed her up roses, which she definitely deserved, along with more
time.  we won't get into details, but she'd clearly whoop meredith brooks'
ass in a cat fight... ;o) in all fairness, meredith contributed a lot, we
are just bitter that our dar didn't get more time to shine, though she
clearly made many new, devoted fans in the short 25 minutes she got on the b
stage.


>        missed pat benatar :(.
>        shawn colvin was fun.  she was wearing what looked like a down
>pillow tha exploded.  this big white foofy thing engulfed her.  i think she
>thought it was milwaukee in february--summer shawn summer!

forget about how she murdered the ugly duckling to make her sweater, let's
talk about those pants she was wearing.  or more like leggings which had
clearly been glowing orange radioactive reese's pieces in a past life.  it
was obvious that sonny didn't come home to see that outfit, it could use a
few small repairs.  (yes, we know, corny to the extreme) but, at least she's
got guts when it comes to fashion, perhaps she could give the new reigning
miss teen u.s.a. (go tennessee!!!) a few pointers on evening wear.  wardrobe
aside, that girl can sing and we are very glad she was there.

>        ig should have closed the show.  after all their energy i was in no
>mood for the mellow sarah to come out afterwards.  love sarah but ig should
>have headlined

well, we actually appreciated the fact that sarah calmed the rabid ig dazed
crowd before the rush to unpark began.  she clearly satisfied her fans, and
converted those who hadn't already had the pleasure.  she's better than the
raspberry ice cream on her drummer husband's head.  ;o)  big thanks to her,
we are in total awe of her for her talents as both preformer and organizer.


>        oh and ig came back out for sarah's encore and did big yellow taxi.
>seeing a and e sing together into one microphone got many females
>excited--you know who you are!  it was such a great finale.  at one point
>emily and pat benatar were the only two singing making me scream with joy.
>deb had to look the other way and pretend she didn't know me.  :)

as did we, sitting one row behind greg "we're not with him" flamer and deb.
amazing finale girls, it was a treat to see emily wail to joni mitchell's
tune. what more can we say?  we remain speechless and psyched for next year.
:o)

laughing at the crazy neighbors next door,
betsy and abigail

"there's been a lot of speculation about what causes homosexuality. so far,
no one seems to know. although, in our family, i was the only one who would
drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
                    ~bob smith

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ginyvita@aol.com wrote:

> one last thing on woolf's diaries.  we must realize her diaries as well as
> subsequent biographies were edited by woolf's husband leonard.  references to
> her childhood incestual experiences as well as her sapphic relationship(s)
> are understood to be heavily diluted by his touch.  leonard's role in his
> relationship with his celebrated wife is characterized as that of an older,
> doting father.  with that in mind we can all guess at the amount information
> which bypassed his scrutiny.
>
keeping in mind that this isn't the virginia woolf mailing list ...

leonard woolf edited and published a one-volume edition of vw's
diaries shortly after her death. anne olivier bell edited the
unabridged volumes of the diary of virginia woolf (volumes i-v), and
nigel nicolson and joanne trautmann edited the letters of virginia
woolf (volumes i-vi). leonard woolf had no control over the material
in either, and very little has been abridged from either the complete
diaries or letters ... including a lot of material that isn't very
flattering to other people or to vw herself.

having read both the letters and diaries several times, as well as a
considerable amount of biographical information about vw, the
bloomsbury circle, and the contemporary parisian literary scene
centred around sylvia beach's shakespeare & co., i disagree
completely with your conclusions about the relationship
between leonard & virginia woolf.  as in any deep relationship, lw
was mother, father, partner, companion and lover to vw, depending on
her needs and his.

second, although vw carried out a number of intense -- not to say
romantic -- friendships with other women from adolescence onward,
these appear not to have been consummated physically, with the
exception of a single evening with vita sackville-west just before
vsw left for persia.  and this *is* well documented in both the
letters and diaries.

by the way, i'd recommend that any emily people on the list read at
least some of the complete letters and diaries ... they're really
rewarding if you get into them.

> one question....hillary clinton?  i hadn't heard that...where did this
> reference come from?
>
we could tell you, but then we'd have to kill you.  national security
reasons, innit.

kate
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kirsten chevalier wrote:
>
> >
> >         wait a minute! what do we all do for a living then?
>
> you're mixing up selling one's talents with using one's talents to sell
> other, unrelated things which you may or may not believe in.


  - maybe she believes in goodyear tires.
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in the early 50's.

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hey folks,

tigger asked:
>here's my question - didn't someone post about a biblical reference to
>strange fire in the old testament?  i havent been to church in about 15 years

this is probably not what you were referring to, but this
is straight from the faq:

===
10.1. what is strange fire?

as in all indigo girls songs, specific symbolism is left as an open
question.  for example, some believe "strange fire" is a reference
to the christian celebration of pentecost (the empowerment of the 12
apostles by the holy spirit), while others see a reference to milton.
there are countless interpretations; however, most center about a
common theme, that of an ineffable spirit which can strengthen and
actuate those who possess it.
===

that was written by the estimable mr chris becker.  don't
ask me, i'm not religious.  in fact i can only understand
about every second word of the above. :)

actually, come to think of it, that's probably why the song
doesn't affect me all that much (the religion thing, that is,
not the other).  sometimes i really like it, but other times
i can pretty much take it or leave it.  it's a mood thing, i
guess.  now, if it was about my cats and was called "strange
fur", it'd probably be my favourite song. :)

salutations from the land of the sleep-deprived and incoherent
(can you tell?),
sherlyn

ps - oh, a note for aussie listmembers - shawn colvin is going
to be out this way for a week at the end of september.  two
nights in sydney, two in melbourne and one in auckland,
apparently.  i'm going to be at the second melbourne show,
barring disaster.  keep an eye out for dates...
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and the road leads us on, and we sing out this song -
'let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all,
let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all...'"
                                 - karen pernick

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hiya folks! :p

seems to me the best thing about doing a commercial (of any kind) would
be exposure... to get your voice out there & get folks wondering who you
are.   hmmm, isn't that what we here on the list have been doing?  i'm
wondering how many folks here are now curious enough to go check out her
music?

the ordinary consumer might go buy the tire (or whatever)... but
we (the music fans) will go buy her music!  course i already have all of
her stuff... but you understand what i'm getting at, right? :)  doesn't
seem like a bad move or "prostituting" herself to me... me, i'd rather
do voice overs than work at mcdonald's any day... well, if i had a
singing voice at all, that is!

my little humble opinion...
twink!

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>would be interested to hear others' ideas about the biblical "strange fire"
>reference.......... (tigger)

the only bib. ref. i am aware of is:
        "mercenaries of the shrine, now who are you to speak for god?
        with hauty eyes, and lying tongues, and hands that shed innocent blood.
        who delivered you to power to interpret calery?
        you gampbled away our freedom to gain your own authority."

this also happens to be my favorite section of the song.
i have just spent the last 20 mins. discussing those four lines,
until i realized it was just going to incite another discussion about religion.
so i have erased the entire piece, and will just say that i love the song.
i will say however, that it was not until i started writing this, that i
realized how the last line fit with the previous three.

and i cannot wait to get to the wood song, because i never got a bib. ref.
in there.  i thought it was about relationships.  but, that is for another
week.

deb

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>now, if it was about my cats and was called "strange fur",
>it'd probably be my favourite song. :)

lol

an offering of love takes on a whole new meaning (mice, birds, moles...)

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at 04:36 pm 8/20/97 edt, kirsten chevalier wrote:
>> remind me again who did the commercial that's currently running for
>> goodyear.  i feel all warm whenever i hear that girls voice.  : o )
>>
>
>jonatha brooke (formerly of the story; she has a new solo album coming out
>sometime soon.) she is awesome, even if she did prostitute herself by doing
>a tire commercial.


prostituting may be a tad harsh...and since she is still technically doing
what she has chosen as her profession (singing) is it not the artist's
choice in respect to venue? (i use the word venue loosley of course)

my 2 cents...or for y'all yanks 1.2 cents us

marilyn
a moment of peace is worth every war behind us... emily saliers

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... out lurksville to say i am going away for a couple of days (women's
herbal conference in southern nh -- i'm psyched.  wonder if there will be
many indigo-heads?)  anyway, i hope when i return my entire inbox is not
full of tire commercial/prostitution garbage.  thanks.

"when you learn to love yourself, you will dissolve all the stones that
are cast . . ."  ar

faye.

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thu 21 aug 7:28 -0400 --
don wrote:
>maybe she believes in goodyear tires

she'd be better off believing in michelin  (i like the cute babies
riding around in the tires)

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>no. to make things a little more concrete: if i had a voice like jonatha
>brooke's but couldn't make a steady income by music alone, i'd rather do data
>entry or work at <ugh> mcdonald's (while trying to build a reputation as a
>musician if possible, of course) than do voice-overs. that's just me (although
>i think i'm far from alone in that sentiment.) i wouldn't be ashamed of myself
>for working at a non-talent-requiring job just to make a buck, but i would be
>ashamed of myself if i exploited my talents to promote something i despised.
>kirsten


despising tires?? now that's a first for me...i guess kirsten doesn't drive eh??

marilyn (still laughing at someone despising tires)
a moment of peace is worth every war behind us... emily saliers

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kirsten chevalier wrote:

> no, but in my opinion (and anything i say is just that), using one's
> talents
> to hawk products always equals prostituting oneself, so if
> you...(blah, blah, blah)

yikes!  i feel like such a whore!!  this whole time i've been working in
the creative departments of advertising agencies, thoroughly enjoying
the work i do and taking great pride in it, only to find out that by
using my creative talents to hawk products i'm just a tramp (in kirsten
chevalier's eyes).

what a said, pitiful day for me,
scott

lloyd dobler: i don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process
anything as a career. i don't want to sell anything bought or processed,

or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or
processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. you know, as a
career, i don't want to do that.

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few things to point out....

>
> no. to make things a little more concrete: if i had a voice like jonatha
> brooke's but couldn't make a steady income by music alone, i'd rather do data
> entry or work at <ugh> mcdonald's (while trying to build a reputation as a
> musician if possible, of course) than do voice-overs.

let's think practically, hm?  you do a voice over.  spend maybe one day in
the studio.  record the jingle, take home a check which maybe pays the
rent that month.  you are not tied to someone elses's schedule, and
you still have a lot of your *own* time to work on your own music.
i can speak from experience, as i am sure many can, that working a
"day job" takes tons of time from my own creative pursuits, which
leaves those pursuits suffering from lack of attention.  think of how it
would be for someone like jonatha who is established as a musician,
is between labels, and wants to keep doing as much as possible to
keep herself out there, while still paying bills.  staying tied to
a day job wont give her that freedom.

that's just me (although
> i think i'm far from alone in that sentiment.)

can you back this bold assumption up somehow?

i wouldn't be ashamed of myself
> for working at a non-talent-requiring job just to make a buck, but i would be
> ashamed of myself if i exploited my talents to promote something i despised.

it's nice to know you have some values for yourself, kirsten, but let's
try not to impose that on someone else.  hypothetically speaking, what
would you say if either amy or emily were doing ads at some opint?
would you give htem the credit for making the decision, or despise them
for doing something of which you dont approve?  let's also think about
pay scale.  for an established musican (cliff eberhardt is another who
comes to mind who has done jingles), you're gonna pay the rent a lot
more quickly using your talents than flipping burgers.


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monk@world.std.com          \   /
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i thought someone else would have posted about this already, but i guess
i'll be the one to do it.
leviticus 10:1
"and nadab and abihu, the sons of aaron, took either of them his censer,
and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire
before the lord, which he commanded them not."

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does anyone else think this subject (jonatha&tires) has been beaten into
submission?

umm... not to change the subject or anything... okay, to deliberately
change the subject... my favorite song on strange fire is "crazy game" -
sometimes it seems like the story of my (love) life... but i may be
crazy.

anyone have any opinions on the song, my love life (or lack thereof)...
or my sanity... (please be kind!)
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kirsten:
> > > you're mixing up selling one's talents with using one's talents to sell
> > > other, unrelated things which you may or may not believe in.

amy p:
> > soooo....if we love our jobs, it's just using our talents.  if
> > we maybe hate our jobs and are just working to eat and have a roof over
> > our heads, it's prostituting ourselves?
> >

kirsten:

> no. to make things a little more concrete: if i had a voice like
> jonatha brooke's but couldn't make a steady income by music alone, i'd
> rather do data entry or work at <ugh> mcdonald's

lets think about this realistically for a second.  you are a
struggling artist will all the talent in the world.  however you need
the ubiquitous day job to make ends meet.  you take one at mcdonalds.
for months you work putting precisely 2 pickle slices on each bun for
$4.50 an hour in a steamy, greasy kitchen.  you do well, so you get
promoted to the front where you take orders.  "would you like fries
with that?" becomes part of your regular vocabulary.  but its ok, you
are still doin' your music -- most of the time.  you see, your manager
couldn't give a rat's ass about your "art" and he keeps scheduling you
for night shifts -- you miss some of those open mics where you can
"find that audience."  not to mention, you have to work 10 hours a day
at to make ends meet, and its really tiring.  you think about leaving
mickyd's to take a job in data entry, but it is the same old grind and
at least now you don't have carpal tunnel syndrome (its a bitch to
play the quitar with that).

one day you get to an open mic, and a guy in a suit says, "i think
you'd be great in ads.  each job is $1,000 flat, plus residuals per
airing after the first 1000 airs.  you come in, record for an
afternoon, then walk out.  we'll start you small, but if you're good
you can get on a national campaign -- and those can make some really
big bucks."

"what am i going to sell?  i don't want to do nra spots."

"how about goodyear tires -- a reliable, safe product?"

now tell me what you'd do.  tires are not exactly contravertial.  they
don't spring up much emotion pro or con -- provided they are a good
product.  goodyear (in general) makes a good product.  tell me you
wouldn't bolt from mcdonald's so you could get the creative juices
flowing and have the time to promote your music, your art.  in the
words of ani, "i'm living for something i can't even define"

and if you tell me you'd stick it out at mcdonald's, i'd seriously
doubt you'd have what it takes to make it in the music business.  once
you make any activity into a profession, idealism fades rapidly.  i
don't know much about physics -- but i got a very rude awakening to
this fact regarding academia and astrophysics.  "we're here to learn
and teach!"  that's an absoulte riot to me now!


>  (while trying to build a reputation as a musician if possible, of
>  course)

good question -- as above, it may not be possible...


>  than do
> voice-overs. that's just me (although i think i'm far from alone in
> that sentiment.) i wouldn't be ashamed of myself for working at a
> non-talent-requiring job just to make a buck,

who said voice overs don't take talent?  have you ever tried to take a
copy that is 10 seconds long or 60 seconds long and make it fit into a
30 second spot -- exactly, without making it sound rushed or forced?
have you ever tried timing things with precisely what is on he screen
in front of you?  have you ever "played" 3 characters at once using
only vocal inflections to distinguish?  have you ever tried to act,
using just your voice, while having your attention divided between
copy, video, producer, and the sound engineer?  have you ever marked
up a copy to know precisely where every vocal inflection will go and
know what sort of listener response it will invoke?

trust me on this, its not easy.  it requires a great deal of talent.
its just that the people who do it for a living are so damn good at it
it flows naturally.


>  but i would be ashamed
> of myself if i exploited my talents to promote something i despised.

you assume that she despises tires.  somehow i doubt she has strong
feeling about them either way.  i doubt she'd do a spot for the nra,
but who knows.  i'm not to judge her motivations.  are you?

one last thought.  say instead of hawking tires, someone paid her the
same amount of money with the same parameters to do a spot for the
"national organization for women" and thier latest recruitment drive.
(if you aren't a now fan, replace your favorite cause/product here).
would this still be "prostitution?"

                                -- chris

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>kirsten chevalier wrote:
>
>> no, but in my opinion (and anything i say is just that), using one's
>> talents
>> to hawk products always equals prostituting oneself, so if
>> you...(blah, blah, blah)
>
>yikes!  i feel like such a whore!!  this whole time i've been working in
>the creative departments of advertising agencies, thoroughly enjoying
>the work i do and taking great pride in it, only to find out that by
>using my creative talents to hawk products i'm just a tramp (in kirsten
>chevalier's eyes).
>
>what a said, pitiful day for me,
>scott
>

okay, already. everyone knows that kirsten didnt mean that. who peed in
your wheaties this morning? kirsten was just saying that you hate to hear
such a great talent used for what is essentially not what she should be
doing. i think everyone just got a little sensitive over her terminology
(i.e. prostitution) but that's no reason to be hateful.

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hey kids!

here is the ig section of the lilith fair review which ran in the
milwaukee urinal/sentinal this morning.  (reprinted without permission,
blah, blah, blah...)

"charges of excessibe serenity have been leveled against the lilith fair
festival, and it's true - there was very little spitting of blood and
mutilation of small mammals at the marcus ampitheater on tuesday night.

on the other hand, when you've got 23,000  people on their feet and
singing "ctf" (acronyms are mine) at full wattage with indigo girls,
sarah mclachlan, shawn colvin, jewel, meredith brooks and mrs. fun,
well, that's not exactly a triple hit of valium and warm milk...

...to these ears, the most pleasant surpirse was the indigo girls.
unitl tuesday night i'd tended to slot amy ray and emily saliers as
mildly pleasant flokies with a bent toward excessive political
correctness and obscure lyric writing.

i've now been re-educated.

the indigo girls had the crowd on their feet for their entrie set, and
what really nailed it was a couple of terrific summer songs from their
new album.  convertibles and 80-degree days were invented for tunes such
as "soy" and "gotm."  if there was a problem with the indigos, it was
that that spectacular sing-along to "ctf" set up a very tough act for
sarah mclachlan to follow."


wooohoo for the girls!!!


this has been a service of your favorite advertising creative
prostitute.
scott
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imho it depends a lot on how the artist goes about it. i don't see anything
wrong with an artist using  their voice or song writing ability (etc.) to make
money in advertising but i would have a problem with them selling the rights to
a song they had wrote that had some deeper meaning. take a band like u2, all
they did in the 80's was sing about important issues, now they get involved in
things like batman movies etc. i know people change but i would hope that they
would change for the better. (my humble apologies to any die hard u2 fans out
there, just an opinion)

i don't think i would have a problem with a&e endorsing stuff for money if
that's what they want to do (although i would be shocked) but i certainly don't
want to hear wood song (or any of their other songs for that matter) on the
t.v. being used to sell some product. it would somehow, cheapen the songs
meaning for me.


hubie

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just a note to say bye to everyone on the list!
i am leaving for chicago for two months for training at united airlines...and
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at 08:38 am 8/21/97 -0400, katspaw@idirect.com wrote:
>prostituting may be a tad harsh...and since she is still technically doing
>what she has chosen as her profession (singing) is it not the artist's
>choice in respect to venue? (i use the word venue loosley of course)

i agree.  and if talented singers shouldn't sing jingles, who should?!  i
think it's elitist to look down on artists because they've agreed to do a
jingle for a product, unless you know for a fact that they don't like the
product.  i don't see the distinction between that and corporate
sponsorship of concerts.  as long as the artist doesn't dislike the
product, and it helps them keep doing what they love to do, more power to
'em.

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at 09:31 pm 8/20/97 -0600, greg flamer wrote:
>3)amy's smile--man was she happy to be out there that night!

how could you tell?  amy's been smiling like crazy since the release of
sots!  is it the success of the album?  the success of soy as a single?
the cathartic nature of the songs?  whatever it is, i like it. :-)

=-=-=-=

amy has said in concert that "strange fire" was inspired by the jimmy
swaggart fiasco in which the famous preacher was caught with a prostitute.

=-=-=-=

at 03:22 pm 8/20/97 -0400, christopher m. becker wrote:
>the only song i would even hae a question about is "come together,"
>but i think they played that one often in the "early days".  they can
>be forgiven for neglecting it recently, its not even their song....

they've played "get together" at many shows, but i don't recall any
recently.

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k, so this is a day or so late, but i'm new at this reviewing stuff so
forgive me... or delete me... your prerogative.

did you know that if you wait to the very last minute you can get 8th row
seats???  a pleasant surprise.  you don't care, do you?

k... meredith brooks rawks.  she's very into playing for fun.  gotta love
grrrrls with guitars!

caught some dar williams.  ***disclaimer: keep all flames private***  i just
don't get it.  what do y'all find so amazing about her?

shawn colvin: fashion police... now, i wasn't that far away, but it looked
like she was wearing a white english sheep dog for a blouse & orange velour
lycra stretchy pants.  she still looked & sounded great, & even did "steady
on" at my request (although i didn't think i yelled it loud enough for anyone
other than the person in front of me to hear ;).

jewel: now... preconceived notion was that i would use this time for my potty
break, but i didn't.  it took about 15 minutes into her set, but when she
finally picked up that electric guitar, man, that little grrrl can wail!!!
k, i said something positive... still not running out to get her cd. :p

everybody on yer feet!!!!!!!!!!!  indigo girls!!!!!!!!!!!
wooooooooohooooooooooo!!!!!

*ahem* i know the setlist has been posted, so i won't waste anymore bandwidth
than y'all think i'm already wasting.  i was expecting that i was so revved
up i might be disappointed, but no....  they were phenomenal!!!!  and so
happy to be there, that was obvious.  the crowd was definately passing time
just waiting for them.  they both looked and sounded fantastic.  early on i
thought my hearing went fuzzy, but then i realized it was just that 24,000
people were singing along with every song!!!  i can't explain the
overwhelming awe that spectacle inspired!  then when they brought jewel &
sarah mclachlan out for "water is wide"... wow!!!  and ctf with all those
voices.... all the special guests & us in the audience... i have a renewed
fondness for the song.  the set was just toooooooo short, & they should have
closed the show.

sarah mclachlan was a nice mellowing out after the girls.  an excellent
performer that i would see again, but it was somewhat anti-climactic to sit
down & "listen" after standing & participating for 50 minutes.

and finally, the finale!!  big yellow taxi!!!!  this was too amazing to
recount.  a familiar face with blond hair sang a verse & then stepped back.
who was that?  ohmygawd!!!!!!!!  pat benatar!!!!!!!!!  i arrived too late to
catch her 3:30 performance :(  haven't seen her live since 1981.  yikes!

alrighty... there you have it.  definately a memorable & wonderful
experience.  next time flameman, we're doing this together!!!

back to lurkdom...
dee

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ok, i just have to say this.....a big step for me since i'm "outing" myself
as a fan.....

the greatest singer/songwriter ever to come out of our generation ;o) got a
big boost from writing, performing and producing commercials.  they are
treasured americana...things that bring a smile to your face, a song to
your head, and lots of great memories......sing with me everybody....

"like a good neighbor, state farm is there...."

"i am stuck on band-aid, cuz band-aid's stuck on me..."

"join the pepsi people, feeling free feeling free...all across the nation,
it's a pepsi generation, here today, here to stay, feeling free...."

"you deserve a break today, so get up and get away to mcdonalds...."

"get a bucket of chicken, finger-licking good, have a barrel of fun,
good-bye ho-hum, say hello to your family, c'mon everyone, get kentucky
fried chicken, have a barrel of fun...."

who is this singer/songwriter?????????

why, none other than barry manilow!

ahhhhhhhh!   c'mon everybody:  "at the copa, copacabana, the hottest spot
north of havanna, here, at the copa, copacabana, music and passion were
always in fashion at the copa......"

ok, i'll shut up now....my point, and i do have one, is if jonatha wants to
sings commercials to make a couple of bucks, i say let her...i would never
disrespect her for it or otherwise think she was doing anything that
lowered her standards as an artist if she did....or whatever....

(jeez, first outed on the list by admitting i have an aol account, and now
this..."hello, my name is joni, and i like barry manilow...")

;o)   ;o)   ;o)


joni  :o)

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going along with the biblical refs in "strange fire" . . .

> leviticus 10:1
> "and nadab and abihu, the sons of aaron, took either of them his censer,
> and put fire therein, and put incense thereon, and offered strange fire
> before the lord, which he commanded them not."

and in the story, god actually strikes them down for doing this.  wow.  so
when amy's saying, "i come to you with strange fire/i make an offering of
love," she's actually making a very bold statement, as far as religion
goes (like she says in the liner notes on this song on 1200 curfews).
she's approaching god--whatever that word may connote for different
people--on her own terms, and offering what she thinks fit--not what
someone else has deemed fit.  and she's doing it at the risk of death.
it's like walking into the holy of holies(the inner chamber of the
temple): only the high priest was supposed to do that, and he did so at
the risk of his life ("who may look at the face of god and live?").
to see the face of god, or to speak the name of god, in jewish tradition/old
testament, is to die--god is too glorious to look upon or to speak.
but in "strange fire" we get a speaker who's unafraid to try for this,
who's walking into the holy of holies like the sons of aaron adn saying
"here, look what i've brought you--'this is a message, a message of
love'"-- the message is that we all have offerings; we're all worthy.

or at least in the melissa-reading.  :)  heh-heh.  can y'all tell i've
thought about this for awhile?  if anyone really wants to get me started,
ask me how all of this ties into art.  go on.  ask me.  ;)

peace in messages of love . . .

melissa :)

"sometimes i feel like a strawberry."--emily saliers

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hey y'all,

can someone tell me how emily pronounces her last name?  thanks in advance.

a new fan,
dk

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if any listers are curious,as i was, to see what all the fuss is about
re: shawn colvin's *git-up* at the milwaukee lf-- go to the lf page:
http://www.lilithfair.com/  , scroll down to "if only laverne and
shirley..." , and click on the highlighted section , then scroll down to
"photos" , and click on shawn c -- click on the long shot photo to see
the red-orange leggings (whoa, please somebody tell me she only wore
that on a dare!)
note: i tried to click on the ig photos on the same page & got "request
failed"  :-(
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hi everyone!

i just checked the daemon site for some news and ran across a new note from
amy. sorry, if this has been posted already.

___________________________________________________
current web site notes

     our shelves are overflowing, our office is cramped. classic cd's are
pouring out of our
     ears. bands have broken up and floated into obscurity...the songbird
sits in the dark
     waiting to be free...it's time for a huge sale!

     these cd's are not irregulars, they are just unknown...by some. we
want you to hear
     them, we want you to own them. i'm sad when i think of all the great
music from all
     genres of life that might not be heard. all of these titles have
rotated in my cd player
     many times. i like the music that daemon records has put out in the
world and i think
     you will too.

     speaking of music...all of us here at daemon have been plotting and
scheming for our
     next two releases:

     terry binion, a songwriter with a voice like an angel in purgatory, is
honoring us in
     september with the release of her new cd leavin' this town. everyone
who i have
     played this for has flipped. take a drive at night on some rural road
with the crickets
     clicking and pop this baby in the player.

     danielle howle has put together a rockin' band from columbia's finest.
     now....columbia, s.c. has a happenin' music scene...so i knew this
band would groove.
     danielle howle and the tantrums laid these tracks down with the help
of david leonard
     (i.girls' co-producer) complete with that danielle lowdown crazy feel.
this music can lay
     you low or make you want to kick up your heels and go dancing down by
the holler. look
     for it in october!

     one more thing...be sure to watch out for all of the daemon bands as
they tour around. i
     know lift will be coming your way soon. always support live music,
it's getting harder
     and harder for these bands to stay on the road.

     o.k. i'm signing off now-thanks for the byte.

     -amy
___________________________________________________

peace and
take care,

kathrin

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                                     it keeps you strong.
                                                          it has dignity."
                                                                        -
amy ray
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okay:


please note before you read my spew...

1) this is one of my top 5 ig songs so i have a lot of ideas
2) i am a divinity school student (although not a christian one) so i
have probably even more lame ideas...


okay.

the reason i love this song is it's filled with passion and it kicks ass
and it makes me want to pledge my soul to my lover forever....

it's just so darned sexy too and so is amy when she sings it (i didn't
say that ;)

my friend charlotte and i were discussing this song. we are almost
positive that a big chunk of the biblical stuff from this song come from
the hebrew bible where aaron's sons are struck down by "strange fire"
because they offer up a sacrifice. i cannot remember now whether it's
the wrong sacrifice, or its at the wrong time, or for the wrong reason,
but they get struck down and killed by strange fire, and i think that
they are the "mercenaries of the shrine" and they are "speaking for god"
by creating the offering. if someone knows more about this passage than
i and wants to correct or elaborate, please do. i think it's a pretty
vengeful god-image, but it certainly is an interesting piece. i will try
to find the actual text and write more later.


adding fuel to the "fire",


larissa

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jan has already corrected me. :) good job jan, the quote woman! she has
the right passage all righty. but, my friend charlotte (who is studying
to be a rabbi and has done a bleepin' lot of study on this) says that it
may be that they offer the strange fire up, or it may be that god sends
it down, and anyways then they die.

this is very strange fire....

-larissa

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sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but my mail to stacey has been bouncing.
stacey, if you are there, could you please write me?
i am trying to send my tapes off for boots we talked about.
thanks stacey, and
sorry to everyone else.
deb

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              "katspaw@idirect.com" at aug 21, 97 9:09 am

i promised myself i wouldn't continue this thread on the list, but since
people have been asking, i'll clarify one more point:

>
>
> despising tires?? now that's a first for me...i guess kirsten doesn't drive eh??
>

doing a commercial for anything implies approval of manipulating reality in
order to sell products (e.g., advertising), an approval that no progressive
person should have.

please respond *off* the list if you want to discuss this further (though
there's no guarantee that i'll answer.)
kirsten

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fused into one glorious emotional entity...igniting fireworks of unbridled
sensuality? have you, binkley?"--berke breathed | "been there, done that."--kc

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subject:      cd treasures and chickenman

hi list,

no, this is not about tires burning with strange fire, just a quick funny
story.  my 4 year-old came out of his room yesterday with his tambourine and
said, "guess what song i'm playing, mommy?  it's chickenman, your favorite!"
and he proceeded to serenade me with the chorus, accompanied by tambourine.
needless to say, he breaks my heart...

also, found an old ig promo(ctf, kf, pod, and centerstage) for $6.99, beneath
the devil moon for $6.99 and lift's lifelike for $8.99 at a local used cd
store.  not a bad haul for a quick trip!

melissa, i loved your analysis of strange fire.  my life is filled daily with
offerings of "strange fire", both in my parenting of two small children and
in my work as a theater director, where most of my worship is done.

peace and indigo days to all,

pam
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we're standing at opposite poles
equal partners in a mystery.  es
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subject:      lilith-vancouver 24th aug. (nigc)

hey listees,

anyone needing info, help, parking advice, overnight where am i going to rest
my head help, stuff to do in vancouver saturday nite tidbits, or whatever...
email me privately and/or call me @ 985 7036 when you get into town ...
that's kim - in north vancouver. who has a fair amount of space in her
parking lot for overnight campers etc.  and also access to a bitchin pool
table. oh yeah, and we're making plans to go out to the bars sat nite! who's
coming?

peace, kim n.v.

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hi!!!!!!!!!!!!!  *waves maniacally*

i'm an indigo girls fan!!!
and me thinks that there are goodyear tires on amy and emily's tour
buses..

thank god for jonatha brooke....her angelic voice made epic buy goodyear.
:)

can we please talk about strange fire now?

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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i was watching vh1 last night and saw ig.  i tried to listen but my roomie
was talking loudly on the telephone and i couldn't get the whole scoop.
the screen said they would be on vh1 this sunday at 8pm.  i'm in houston,
so that means central time zone.  from what i could gather, they'll be one
of many videos shown (pleeeze god, let there be more than just one ig
video!) from other bands.  but, it might be worth taping anyway.  i'll
watch for the promo ad again tonite and post again if i find out anything
else.  anyone else see this?

be excellent...

d.d.

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in a message dated 97-08-20 01:42:12 edt, you write:

<< anthony van pyre's question of what *we* can talk about:
  -what commercial releases have ig never performed "in concert" & why ?

  "i don't wanna talk about about it" (danny whitten) - philadelphia sdtk

  ig has never performed it in concert - only on d.letterman
  because amy said they don't really know it.

  imho the performance on letterman was better than the album - probably
  because paul shaeffer's back-up band is brilliant. >>

they played it in concert when i saw them this summer at champoeg park in
oregon!
~jen

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subject:      get together

i'm a lurker who remembers hearing "get together" way back in 1990 (i
think) for the big earth day rally in dc in april of that year.  i
remember woody harrelson was there, and ted danson, but it seemed
most folks were there for a&e (at least i was).  they sang "get
together" at the end of their set, with everyone singing on stage and
on the mall.  they performed near the steps of the capitol, and the
audience extended out onto the mall.  but unfortunately, my memory of
this is quite faint, and i remember being rushed afterward as i had
to fly to the left coast, but ig sang it at least once in public.

rusty

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ok, here's the story on the sept 24 benefit at the warner theatre in
washington.  the first twelve rows are being sold as "golden circle"
seats.  they are $150 a pop and include a "dessert reception" after
the show with the artists, ig, bonnie raitt, and john trundell.  they
are on sale now (as in a few hours ago) through the nuclear
information and resource service at 202-328-0002.  they can't
actually guarantee you a particular seat yet, but they will at some
point.  they also don't know what they'll do with seats they don't sell
at that price, or if the price will ever go down.

the rest of the theater is $42.50 on sale at 10:00 saturday through
ticketmaster.

since i always subsidize my gf's attendance at the ig concerts, i can't
afford $300, myself.  and she refuses to let me spend the money.  i
hope one of you list folks can go though, cuz it sounds like loads of
fun, and the nirs people have been really nice keeping me informed of
the ticket situation.  (not that i wouldn't gladly pay that much to get to
go, and attend this recept, but $300 is a lot of money, don't you think?)

russell carter's office also assured me that the girls and bonnie will
both do full sets, but the nirs people said the program will last about 3
hours or so, so i think the term "full set" is relative here.  it's not two
hours, for sure, but it's not going to be the lf 50 minute thing either.

hope this helps, and i'd love to hear from someone who can go.

vicki

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at 01:02 pm 8/21/97 -0400, debra l. dix wrote:
>
>i was watching vh1 last night and saw ig.  i tried to listen but my roomie
>was talking loudly on the telephone and i couldn't get the whole scoop.
>the screen said they would be on vh1 this sunday at 8pm.

that would be the long-awaited hard rock live performance; they'll be
sharing the hour with one other band.

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hey y'all kf's...,

i know this might pop a few bubble dreams of the girls' playing 23 songs
including ghost, the water is wide, and ctf.....but here is something i
stumbled on recently - and i thought ya should know......

and here's my few questions.....
1)  why are the girls not aired after the fledgling rusted root (what, 2!
albums!?) instead of before....i think there music library is just a little bit
bigger...
2)  what the hell is get the map out?!  if i was in the music industry - i
think i would know my arce from my elbow and wouldn't make myself
look like an elephant on roller skates!!!! (aka..an idiot!)...
3)  maybe they'll change the words around......not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4)  the baby in the yellow rain coat sitting in the aquatred tire is soooooo
cute!!!!
5) fireballs come out of mine eyes and lightning bolts shoot out of mine
arce....-ww

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today's hottest artists performing live in an intimate setting.

song 1 " shame on you" song2 " galileo" song3 " leeds" song4 " get
the map out" song5 " scooter boys" backstage with rusted root song6
" send me on my way" song7 " virtual reality" song8 " faith i do
believe" song9 " drums & ecstasy"
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8:00 pm - right??????????????????

ps - i do like rusted root
pss - what's a rusted root
psss - i can't wait.....

"the beginning and end of all philosophy is freedom"-j.fishman
mkc

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 14:08:46 -0500
reply-to:     "susan.e.harney" <harne001@bama.ua.edu>
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hey y'all!  i'm sooooo glad to be back online again.  anyway, i'm here
with a new email address, as you can see, so if anyone needs me, feel free
to drop me a line.  :)  did i miss anything exciting in the last week???
*smile*
sue harney

harne001@bama.ua.edu

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 15:29:50 -0400
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enuff, enuff... it has already been established that ig has publicly
played all of their commercial releases at one time or another.
it was late on tues nite (edt) when anthony first posed the question & i
in my latenitesurfinthewebwhatsgoinoninigworlddelirium made two guesses.
both were wrong,obviously, since they have played everything in concert
at least once.
okay?... okay... stick a fork in it myrtle. yep, it's done alrighty.
let's eat!
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            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 15:36:53 -0400
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mel while they may have played everythign off the commerically released
what abotu stuff like say off of color me grey

on thu, 21 aug 1997, mel wrote:

> enuff, enuff... it has already been established that ig has publicly
> played all of their commercial releases at one time or another.
> it was late on tues nite (edt) when anthony first posed the question & i
> in my latenitesurfinthewebwhatsgoinoninigworlddelirium made two guesses.
> both were wrong,obviously, since they have played everything in concert
> at least once.
> okay?... okay... stick a fork in it myrtle. yep, it's done alrighty.
> let's eat!
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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 14:32:56 -0500
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well folks, i know i responded to at least 50 requests for the blue food
boot over a week and 1/2 ago, and so far i have yet to receive more than 6
packages in the mail. i've gotten e-mails from some of you assuring me that
the blanks are on the way, but i guess i need to emphasize one point: i
start school on september 2nd and will no longer have much, if any free time
to do stuff like dubbing boots. anything that arrives more than a week from
today is probably going to take me a long time to get to making and sending
out. sorry, but my life just won't permit me to make bootlegs a top priority
any time other than in the summer. soooo, if yer still interested and i sent
you my address already, bring on the tapes!

:o) abigail

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no one seems to know. although, in our family, i was the only one who would
drink strawberry flavored nestle quick."
                    ~bob smith

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subject:      vh-1

sorry if this is old news, i've been trying to keep up with the list..but i
saw an add on vh-1 for the ig to be on hard rock live at 8 p.m. eastern time.

duff

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this might be redundant, but when i looked up redundant in the
dictionary, it said see redundant....should i look it up on the web?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
aye, fight and you may die, run and you'll live. at least a while. (shouting
to all) and dying in your beds many years from now, would you be
willing to trade all the days from this day to that for one chance, just one
chance to come back here and tell our enemies that they may take our
lives, but they'll never take our freedom?! alba gu brath!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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j/k

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has anyone heard them play uncle john's band live?  i had hoped they
would have played it when they opened for the dead but no luck (i
think).  their version on deadicated does the song right.

sorry if someone has already answered the question.  if so please email
me privately.

peace-
ron

> -----original message-----
> from: rusty harris-bishop [smtp:bishopr@wastenot.ehnr.state.nc.us]
> sent: thursday, august 21, 1997 11:55 am
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>
> i'm a lurker who remembers hearing "get together" way back in 1990 (i
> think) for the big earth day rally in dc in april of that year.  i
> remember woody harrelson was there, and ted danson, but it seemed
> most folks were there for a&e (at least i was).  they sang "get
> together" at the end of their set, with everyone singing on stage and
> on the mall.  they performed near the steps of the capitol, and the
> audience extended out onto the mall.  but unfortunately, my memory of
> this is quite faint, and i remember being rushed afterward as i had
> to fly to the left coast, but ig sang it at least once in public.
>
> rusty
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i don't know about that uncle john's band question - and whether they
played it or not ....

but you made reference to the ig playing w/ the dead....

when and where did this happen and how often.....

???????????????????????????????
thanks,
mkc

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hey y'all--
  i just returned from the lilith fair in milwaukee, and i have to say i had
a great time.  the crowds generally seemed respectful, although many didn't
give shawn colvin the time of day.  some comments:

*mary jane lamond:  really cool, i'd never heard of her before, but i enjoyed
her set.
*dar: she was really great too...her set was just wayyyyy too short.  it was
cute  how she talked to jordan for such a long time while mary lamond was
playing. (that was the guy who gave her purple flowers.)
*shawn:  it was kind of hard to hear her with just a guitarist and bassist,
at least in the bleacher section.  i have seen her in concert with a full
band and it was much better.....but she was still good.
side note:  during her set i was looking through my binoculars and saw jerry
and amy watching.  amy was wearing a red jacket and dancing!!

*jewel:  i am not really not a jewel fan, but i enjoyed her set.
*indigo girls:  they were awesome...and looked like they were having a great
time. when amy walked on stage, she was shaking her hands like she was
nervous....it was cute!! water is wide and ctf were cool, but i must say that
i like shed your skin with ulali better (i saw them  at fraze.)
*sarah mclachlan:  she is amazing, i have never seen her live and she is
great.  i definitely like the new album better now that i have seen her live.
angel was amazing.
someone told me they had lyrics to surfacing....does anyone know where to get
these?

lilith fair was definitely worth the eight hour drive to see(thanks again
deb!!), it sounds like they'll be doing it again next year ! (?)
lauren

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in response to this:
>>> <lmd21@aol.com> 08/21/97 04:41pm >>>
*sarah mclachlan:  she is amazing, i have never seen her live and she
is
great.  i definitely like the new album better now that i have seen her live.
angel was amazing.
>>>>>

the lf @ scranton, pa - sarah was amazing!!!!! and besides the ig set
(of course!!!!!)..... angel, was on of the greatest moments..... she came
up to the front of the stage and sang with her piano guy right next to
her.......wow........i listen to that before i fall asleep a lot..........

just my "me too!!!!!!"....of the day

8-)
mkc

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<<
> no. to make things a little more concrete: if i had a voice like jonatha
> brooke's but couldn't make a steady income by music alone, i'd rather do
data
> entry or work at <ugh> mcdonald's (while trying to build a reputation as a
> musician if possible, of course) than do voice-overs.
  >>
several years ago i read an interview with phoebe snow, a wonderful
singer/songwriter of the late 60's-mid70's. she now lends her voice to
jingles most of us have heard on television. i had always wondered why a
woman of her considerable talents was reduced to singing for tv commercials
until i read in the interview that a number of serious problems in her
personal life, the biggest being the birth of a severely physically and
developmentally disabled child, forced her to stop the full time business of
songwriting, recording and touring. she does what she has to do to support
herself and her child, and singing jingles was an option for her to make
enough money to devote special care to her child. sometimes we do what we
have to do...purity is sometimes a luxury even the most talented cannot
afford...

karen

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okay, guys,

here's me, putting my list-managerial foot down again
(in a nice way, of course).

enough on the tyre/tire thing already, please.  take it
to private email if you want to keep discussing it.

thank you,
sherlyn

ps - patty larkin's new album comes out next week!!

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
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'let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all,
let's move forward, ever forward, in the heaven of it all...'"
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they played "i don't wanna know" with michelle malone, i think they did
uncle john's band in newport 1991 and on mt stage '91..this again is not a
flame, just a correction, it seems people cant tell the difference these
days.

mike r.

anyone know when they last played keeper of my heart, had the song rageing
in my mind all afternoon, almost sounds like a followup to blood and fire,
in a wierd sort of way...i dont know if i actually have heard it live in
person.

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subject:      my thoughts- montreal lf

well, y'all, seing that my name popped up in two posts on the subject i
thought i should put my 2 cents in.  i disagree on the bad seats, i had
them.  ok, they weren't bad, the girls just looked like ants.  i was
smack dab center stage but in second balcony.  the only thing i hope is
that the girls never play soely stadiums in their career.

amyray, on to the music.  it rawked!  shawn colvin was kick a*s, jewel
was better than i had expected, i'm a sarah m. convert, and as i said to
my co-worker more than a thousand times, "i love the indigo girls so
much, they're so great!"  a six hour drive would have seemed absurd for
only 50 minutes if the other acts had been horrible, but i was plesantly
surprised!  i nearly wet myself during "virginia woolfe", now added to
"songs i've seen live".

as for the company i enjoyed...well, just go re-read susan's post.  yes,
my new nick is jess "plese come out to me, everyone else does" cantelo.
sometimes people definatly shock you!! jenny, if i'd known you were going
to be there we coulda met up!!  i'll be back in beantown for good on
sunday, so we'll have to get together.  i could have done without running
into my ex (wow, leave the country and you still run into her...)
however, leagally being able to buy a beer almost made up for it!!  way
to go montreal and the 18 y/o drinking age!!!  well, i must go a pack for
school...hope y'all are enjoying yourselves!!

love,

jess
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hi all,

just wanted to give a shout out to everyone that was at the lilith fair in
shakopee yestday.  it rocked!!!  i don't have a copy of the set list of
ig, but it seemed they did the pretty standard lf set list:  soy, ghost,
water is wide, ctf, tried to be true, lc, galaio, gotm...  scooter boys
ruled --amy did a soc (i think) that was pretty darn awesome.  if anyone
got a boot of that i'l love to have it.  at the end of sarah they also did
the joni mitchel song that they did at millwauke...

i have to agree with some previous posts about lf being too teeny-bopper
and not for true die hard fans, but i think the overall spirit there made
it all worth it.  i had to laugh to myself when i saw people holding signs
saying "please play closer to fine."  (my apolgies to anyone on the list
who may have held this sign...)  a majority of people i talked to were
only there to see ig, and we were all suprised at the turnout.  it was
pretty amazing during the ig set as the crowd was all on their feet, at
least up in front, dancing and singing.

i have a whole new respect for the newer songs now that i've heard them
live.  i wasn't that fond of shed your skin and scooter boys at first, but
now i just love them....  i think it is similar to chickenman -- i wasn't
hooked until i heard the live version.

i took this from the minneapolis star tribune web page... copied w/o
permision!!!  it is kinda dorky, but enjoy!!
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

published thursday, august 21, 1997
women get chance to shine at lilith fair

kristin tillotson / star tribune

traffic clogging the road to the lilith fair music festival at canterbury
park on wednesday was enough to call up the ancient wrath of the original
lilith, a demon of jewish folklore.

but inside the gate, the scene was strictly mellow-palooza. this despite a
crowd of more than 28,000, a record for the women's rock and folk tour,
which featured jewel, indigo girls, sarah mclachlan and shawn colvin on
its last u.s. stop before moving from shakopee to canada.

there were supposed to be three stages, but only two were set up, and most
of the action took place on the main stage. the lines for refreshments and
souvenirs seemed interminable.  but zephyrs blew, barefoot
flower-children-for-a-day skipped on the long grass growing in the
horse-racing track's infield, and all seemed right with the world.

mary beth hachiya is one of four twin cities women who have known one
another for 20 years, ever since they worked together at the grandview
lodge north of brainerd, minn.  now each of them has at least one daughter
between the ages of 8 and 17, and they were all there, celebrating
hachiya's birthday.

"it seems so well-run and clean and safe," she said. "i just let the girls
run up to the front with a camera for meredith brooks. it's so great for
them to see women pop idols. when i was their age, there were only men."

male musicians have been featured on some of the tour's stops. but at a
news conference before the show, mclachlan said she had changed her mind
about inviting men on the tour next year -- not because she wanted to shut
them out, but to put more female musicians in the spotlight.

"they have opportunities with lollapalooza and h.o.r.d.e. that a lot of
women don't," she said. "it's not to exclude men; it's to celebrate
women."

and a whole lot of women and girls were celebrating, at a ratio of about
four females to every male. mothers and daughters, clusters of friends
since high school, and "chicks, chicks and more chicks," commented a
teenage boy to his friend. this was one place where the term couldn't be
mistaken as derogatory, with t-shirts being sold proclaiming, "chicks
rock!"

a few other touches made the lilith fair different from most outdoor rock
concerts.  the lines for the indoor restrooms were typically long, but
there were nearly 100 portable toilets, stocked with sanitizing hand gel.
the walker art center sponsored an art tent, in which kids of all ages
made maca castles. and amid the booths for hemp necklaces, clay
sculptures, murals and sand castles. and amid the booths for hemp hair
wraps and ankle bracelets were ones for planned parenthood and chrysalis,
the women's crisis center, which received $25,000 of the day's ticket
sales.

"i've had moms coming up all day saying we were there for them, here's a
donation," said diane harvey of planned parenthood. "i've never been in a
more supportive environment."

one group not feeling supported was the stagehands union (international
alliance of theatrical stage employees local 13), which stationed pickets
outside the entrance because the promoter, rose productions, used nonunion
labor for the show.  considering that this was the first concert to be
held at canterbury park, the event ran smoothly. the only casualty
appeared to be trampled grass on the turf course, a moot point considering
that the racing season has ended for the year.

"we couldn't race on it tomorrow, but we'll reseed and hope for the best,"
said canterbury spokesman jeff meday.


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check out the lilith fair website at

http://www.lilithfair.com/index2.html

or look for the pictures from shakopee -- there's a great one of a & e!!!!

rachel


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<< has anyone heard them play uncle john's band live?  i had hoped they
would have played it when they opened for the dead but no luck (i
think).  their version on deadicated does the song right.
  >>

i'm not sure exactly which shows they were,but on a leg where disappear fear
was opening, they play uncle johns band with sonya as an encore...

peace
sasha

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from:         garian arleta vigil <vigil@ucsu.colorado.edu>
subject:      re: lf shakopee -- the largest attendance in north america!!!!
x-to:         rachel <rachel.g.rabaey-1@tc.umn.edu>
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huh?

on thu, 21 aug 1997, rachel posted:

> published thursday, august 21, 1997
> women get chance to shine at lilith fair
>
> kristin tillotson / star tribune wrote:
>
> but inside the gate, the scene was strictly mellow-palooza. this despite a
> crowd of more than 28,000, a record for the women's rock and folk tour,
> which featured jewel, indigo girls, sarah mclachlan and shawn colvin on
> its last u.s. stop before moving from shakopee to canada.
>
the reporter must mean a record for the canada shows because the infamous
chicago lf was jam packed in that venue and it supposedly held more than
30,000...
right?

(greg flamer had mentioned that the new world music theater was "a place
that seats 35,000 people" and there were people i knew who had
lawn tickets who couldn't find a place on that lawn, so it was definitely
sold out.)

-g.

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> from: charles e hall <chuckhall@juno.com>
> to: jmek@earthlink.net; sbutton466@aol.com; kbe0002@jove.acs.unt.edu;
ehhull@msn.com; primolana@localaccess.com; lday5@juno.com;
pi3@startext.net; amymay23@juno.com; dsrtlite@primenet.com;
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> subject: e mail to nail these yutzes.
> date: wednesday, august 20, 1997 8:51 pm
>
>
> subject: reiki for abused cat
>
> i know there are many animal lovers on this list, and there is a cat who
> needs all the distant healing we can send. the relevant information is
> below.
>
> >on july 30th, two indiana university students took a can of hairspray
> >and a match and set an innocent cat on fire.  the cat was spotted by a
> >motorist driving by, who took the cat to the vet.  the cat suffered
> >third degree burns over 40% of her body, and is expected to live.
> >however, the cat, olivia, will be severely disfigured for life.
> >
> >on the web page is a petition to the dean of students at indiana
> >university, calling for these two individuals to be expelled for
> >committing such a heinous act, and for them to be subject to the
> >stiffest penalties the law allows.  the petition's owner has a goal of
> >2500 signatures by the end of the week, and has only 1109 as of right
> >now.  a long way from 2500 with only today, tomorrow, and friday left.
> >
> >if you have a couple of minutes today, please visit the site and sign
> >the petition.  also, please e-mail your friends and tell them.  we must
> >let people know that we are not going to tolerate such behavior from
> >anyone, especially from those who are seeking higher education.  this
> >kind of behavior is an insult to educated people everywhere.
>
> the url is http://www.netusa1.net/~seiffe/opage1.html
>
>
> if a real beating cannot be administered - well... lets cyber one. e mail
> today!!
>
> c

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 22:01:56 -0400
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from:         sarah pohuly <pohulys@juno.com>
subject:      just a test

please ignore

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 22:24:26 -0400
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from:         sarah pohuly <pohulys@juno.com>
subject:      the view

does any one have a copy of the view.  it was not shown in pittsburgh.
if you do email me privately or whatever.

                thanks
                   sarah

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 22:29:19 -0400
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from:         sarah pohuly <pohulys@juno.com>
subject:      the harrisburg, pa concert

has any one ever been to the zembo temple in harrisburg?  if you have do
you know what would be a good seat there.  we have seats in section d,
row 23.  if anyone knows please let me know.
                thanks
                    sarah

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 23:39:45 -0400
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subject:      shakopee review: nigc parts:)

we thought that there was only going to be 1 stage, so we missed the village
stage acts. :(  but all of the second stage acts played on the main stage,
which was really nice for us.
ok, here's the review:
mary jane lamond: i was really impressed...i loved her voice, and her
violinist rocked.
wild strawberries:  they're a canadian band, i guess.  i'd never heard of
them, but they were very cool.  we watched sarah singing along and dancing on
the side during their set, and she came out and sang with them for their last
song.
dar:  the only dar songs i knew were as cool as i am and the christians and
the pagans, but oh well.  time to go buy her new cd, cause she's cool!
meredith brooks:  i entertained myself during her set by making a secure
yourself sign to wave around during ig (i thought at the least it might get
some eye contact, or something...)  and keeping kate & kaitlen's blankets
free from the mass of 13 year olds that suddenly appeared for meredith's set.
i'm sorry, i just wasn't into her.  :p
shawn colvin:  we were fighting our way back to our seats for the first part
of her set, but we got there for get out of this house, steady on, witchita
skyline, and sunny came home (of course).  she rocks.  no weird feather
outfit this time, though.
jewel:  again, 13 year olds appearing out of nowhere!!!  ohwell.  jewel...she
has an amazing voice, but some of her songs... :p  i really liked the new
ones she played, though.  less baby voice, faster, more electric guitar.
it was an amazing concert.
i'll post the ig review in a minute.  it's loooong, sorry.
~jen

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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 21 aug 1997 - special issue

being an ex-semideadhead, i'll answer these two questions...


has anyone heard them play uncle john's band live?  i had hoped they
would have played it when they opened for the dead but no luck (i
think).  their version on deadicated does the song right.

sorry if someone has already answered the question.  if so please email
me privately.

peace-
ron

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> from: rusty harris-bishop [smtp:bishopr@wastenot.ehnr.state.nc.us]
> sent: thursday, august 21, 1997 11:55 am
> to:   indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject:      get together
>
> i'm a lurker who remembers hearing "get together" way back in 1990 (i
> think) for the big earth day rally in dc in april of that year.  i
> remember woody harrelson was there, and ted danson, but it seemed
> most folks were there for a&e (at least i was).  they sang "get
> together" at the end of their set, with everyone singing on stage and
> on the mall.  they performed near the steps of the capitol, and the
> audience extended out onto the mall.  but unfortunately, my memory of
> this is quite faint, and i remember being rushed afterward as i had
> to fly to the left coast, but ig sang it at least once in public.
>
> rusty
>
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date:    thu, 21 aug 1997 16:32:28 -0400
from:    michael cunningham <nypro.mcunningham@sdps.org>
subject: re: get together- follow up question...

i don't know about that uncle john's band question - and whether they
played it or not ....

but you made reference to the ig playing w/ the dead....

when and where did this happen and how often.....

???????????????????????????????
thanks,
mkc
  >>

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subject:      shakopee ig review :-)  (long)

ok, i've never posted a review here, so if i jump around a bunch, forgive me.
;)
first of all:  we got to the gates about 11am, and we figured that there
would be quite a line by then.  suprise!!!  i'd say there were 75 people or
so there.  we were a little worried that no one would show up, actually.
(little did we know...)  ;)  anyway...the gates opened at about 3...we got
into the park, and started walking/jogging/mad-dashing to the stage. we got
really good seats, maybe 3 people from the front, amy side.  there were 4 of
us, me, my mom (woohoo) and erin and keely (i'm trying to turn them on to
ig...i think this concert may have done it...), but we ended up meeting a
couple of people from the list, we sat by kate and kaitlen. (hi guys :-)
i'm skipping right to ig:
ok.  there were a lot of non ig fans around me...so i asked them if i could
stand in front of them for awhile to hold up my sign (secure yourself...my
friend's favorite ig song...) they were really nice, but i think they thought
i was crazy.  "ok...but why does the sign say secure yourself?"  i laughed at
that one...cause if you didn't know the song, it would seem a little strange.
anyway...i was right in front, and amy was looking over at me, but she
didn't say anything.  i didn't really expect them to play it, but it would
have been nice :-).  ok, setlist...
shed your skin--my 1st time hearing it live.  wow.  amy broke a string.
get out the map--people were singing :-)
(the rest of these may be in the wrong order...)
least complicated
ghost (w/appropriate cheering for the minnesota line :o)
tried to be true
scooter boys--amy went off.  i'm messing this up, but here's what i remember:
"why'd you have to go out west...why'd you have to fuck it up?  why'd you
have to press your luck?  lead us away like lambs to the slaughter, steal our
land...poison our water.....viva zapata" (it was longer than that, i wish i
could remember exactly what she'd said)   i've still got the chills.  wow.
she's so amazing.
galileo was somewhere in there...
water is wide--4 part harmony w/emily, amy, sarah, jewel.  beautiful :)
ctf--w/everyone :o) (including the 2 kids who were doing the honor the earth
booth--they shook maracas (sp?) and looked cute)
as they were leaving, we (me, keely, erin, kate) started yelling for sully (i
found a picture of her on the lf website, so i figured out who she was.)  she
looked, then i think she waved, and we started asking for guitar picks.  i
was right up against the little security fence, and she threw a couple, but
they went into the grass where i couldn't reach them. :p  so i asked the
security guard to look for them (the grass was tall)  but of course he
wouldn't.  i was depressed.
sarah was great, i was a little disapointed that she didn't play the guitar
more.  there were a lot of sarah fans there.  all through her set, though, i
was crossing my fingers for big yellow taxi!!  when she got to the encore
(ice cream of course...) we all went under the security fence (a waist high
bar w/flimsy plastic stuff to make it look like a fence) and rushed the
stage.  well, i got in the front row, to the side, and guess who was right in
front of me, tuning a banjo???  my good friend sully ;)  i saw the banjo and
went woohoo!  big yellow taxi!  (well, in my head, not outloud...)  it rocked
:)  especially amy on banjo!  everyone looked really happy.  when they were
done, kate tapped me on the shoulder, and said "there's sully!!"  so we
yelled again (poor sully!) and i was like "please!!!  picks?? please???"
well, she threw them to 4 or 5 people around us (who didn't even know who
she was-i don't think they were ig fans.) :(  and finally threw 2 to me and
kate.  woohoo again:)!!!!!!!!
i don't know what else to add.(that's ok, this is way too long already!!!)
it was cool to meet some other list people, mar, her friend meika, kate and
kaitlen, (hope i haven't gotten any names wrong...) oh, and the person in the
michelle malone t-shirt, i didn't get her name, but her friend thought it
was...interesting..that we knew who the ig's guitar techs were.  :p  i'm not
obsessed, i swear!!!
ok. i'm done now, i promise!!!
thanks for listening,
jen

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 23:44:32 -0400
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from:         sari laufer <sarikins@aol.com>
subject:      dead answers

in a message dated 97-08-21 20:12:28 edt, you write:

<<
------------------------------

sorry about sending that last one. i screwed up!! i hate aol!! anyway, as an
ex-semideadhead, i'll answer these two.
>has anyone heard them play uncle john's band live?  i had hoped they
>would have played it when they opened for the dead but no luck (i
>think).  their version on deadicated does the song right.
      i have a tape of them doing it--4/7/91, mountain stage


>but you made reference to the ig playing w/ the dead....

>when and where did this happen and how often.....

???????????????????????????????
thanks,
mkc
  >>

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 23:45:29 -0400
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from:         sari laufer <sarikins@aol.com>
subject:      dead answer retry- i suck!!!!!

cannot believe i screwed up again!!!!!! anyway, they never played with the
dead, as far as i know. they opened for them on 8/21 and 8/22/93 in eugene,
oregon. what i would haven given to be at those shows!!!!

sari
<<
but you made reference to the ig playing w/ the dead....

when and where did this happen and how often.....
  >>

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date:         thu, 21 aug 1997 23:46:22 -0400
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from:         sari laufer <sarikins@aol.com>
subject:      songs never played

in a message dated 97-08-21 20:12:28 edt, you write:

<< they played "i don't wanna know" with michelle malone >>
and if i'm not mistaken, they played it last august in nyc. with michelle

sari

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