lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-09d


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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 00:18:20 -0400
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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from:         joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
subject:      cherokee show (long)
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i was at the cherokee show too.  i agree it was magical.  i can't speak for
anyone else, but for me, it meant a lot to see them on the reservation, in
a land so rich in history.  also, the beauty there in cherokee is
just indescribable.  it's tucked into a little valley in the middle of
the great smoky mountains/blue ridge mountains.  also, the small crowd
and outdoor festival kind of atmosphere made for a very imtimate experience.
emily c. was right - amy, as well as the rest of the band, kind of hung out
that day/evening.  my pal/fellow listee allison hastings laney and i were
sitting two blankets away from amy and her friends, btw.  people on the
whole were pretty good about not bugging them for autographs and stuff
early that evening, though a couple of people did go up to amy while she
was chilling out in the crowd and asked for autographs...to which she kindly
obliged.  but, a big crowd of people converged over to the side to watch
her as she talked to her friends.  poor amy!  emily kind of hung out
near the front early on to watch one of the speakers (sorry, 'can't
remember her name), and i passed sara lee as i was coming back from the
porta-john.  it was cool that they were able to mill around that day
and pretty much be left alone to be the normal human beings that they are.
on to the show:  the show opened with a-wo-ha-li, a local drumming circle
group, local acoustic artist eddie bushyhead, a speaker (whom em introduced
after giving a little speech about local environmental issues), then ulali.
amy introduce ulali as (per their own request) "three indian chicks!"
ulali were great!  the crowd was pretty respectful during all of the
native acts, and everyone sat on their blankets...until the girls came
on.  then it was standing for the rest of the evening.  when you're only
5'1", that doesn't permit you to see much!  anyway, a&e both looked rested,
in great spirits and really seemed to have a great time and feed off the
crowd.  as either leona or tracy said, shed your skin really rocked.
amy did the mr. buzzard soc during chickenman (my first time hearing a
chickenman soc live as opposed to on a boot).  a little more than halfway
through the set, amy brought out a local banjo picker whose first name is
walker (couldn't remember his last name).  amy explained that she was talking
to pete seeger at a club in ny a while back and pete told her that he had
a good friend in cherokee who was a well-known banjo picker and that when
she went to cherokee, she *had* to call this guy.  so, walker did about
6 or 7 songs, accompanied by two fellows on guitar.  the crowd seemed
to enjoy it and many of us clapped and did yee-haws.
then the girls came back on and finished out the show.  blood quantum was
so wonderful...ulali accompanied the girls on the "grandma easter's lullaby"
chant that follows bq.  it was sooo beautiful.
they finished up with closer to fine (on which jerry played
mandolin) and bury my heart, which totally rocked out.  i must mention
that the crowd was so peaceful during power of two.  everyone was singing
along, but everyone was pretty much mellow.  as far as the fashion report,
amy got her hair cut and it looks great.  jerry has gotten his locks chopped
off in a major way and looks very different, but great!  blue jeans and
blouse-type shirts were the order of the day for a&e.  they looked very
casual and comfortable.
we had a great time at the show.  of course, it would have been great to
have met more listfolk there.  it was great seeing follow road-warriors susan and
jocelyn there too (hi!).  my visit to cherokee was a great one (despite having
to have the alternator on my car replaced while i was there:), and we
appreciated the hospitality extended to us.  i had the most awesome pecan
pancakes at grandma's steak and pancake (yum!) and enjoyed browsing at
talking leaves, the native american bookstore next door.  but, if you
ever go to cherokee (or any other small town like that), be sure and eat
supper early...'cause you'll find virtually everything closed at 11:00
at night!  my after-concert meal consisted of a bag of lay's salt and
vinegar potato chips!

anyone else who was there who can add some thoughts or details?

peace,

joan :-d

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 02:04:05 -0400
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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subject:      hand me downs
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they played hand me downs (to my extreme delight:) at chastain park in
atlanta on 5/24/95...

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 02:27:04 -0400
reply-to:     indigopony@aol.com
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subject:      mt. holyoke and smith (nigc) and hand me downs (igc)

hey, all...first the nigc:  i'm thinking about applying to mt. holyoke
and smith, and i'm going to be visiting these colleges the weekend of
oct. 4th.  i'm looking for a kind listee who attends either college to
show me around, etc., so if anyone wants to help me out, i'd be very
grateful. =)  i'm from va, and this is my only chance to drive up and
visit...and everyone knows that ig fans are the best tour guides. ;)

okay, now for the igc:
they played hmd on 8-17-96 at the norfolk, va show (my first ig show!).
i love the way they (especially emily) changed some of the voicings and
guitar work in the live versions of this song--the feeling really comes out
more powerfully live than in the studio in hand me downs.  it became
one of my very favorite ig songs after hearing it live.

peace, love, and happiness,
ponygirl

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 03:17:47 -0400
reply-to:     lisalisaa@aol.com
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from:         lisa arthur <lisalisaa@aol.com>
subject:      muzak, free world

someone wrote about igs having a single out of rocking in the free world. do
they really? when was it released? and is this the neil young song???

on muzak: i once heard a muzak version of closer to fine in the supermarket
and nearly crashed my shopping cart. it was just very bizarre.

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 09:38:32 +0000
reply-to:     bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk
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from:         john bond <bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk>
organization: worcester college of higher edu.
subject:      least fave and some concert stuff...

ok, well i guess my least fave album (apart from the title track)
is.... strange fire! i don't know, i listen to stuff like crazy
game, and it just doesn't make me want to keep it playing....

i thought i'd just write about something that happened to me this
summer - i went to my first ig concert :-))))!!!!!!! i don't know
what it was, but from the start (soy) to the end (ctf), they just
seemed to either play stuff i loved, made me see certain songs in a
better light (sys), or played stuff i'd never heard before, but
songs i instantly loved.....

when they played leeds (and i was about three rows from the front -
whoever that guy was who gave lisa the ticket, thank you.....), i
was almost in tears... and then they played bmhawk (is headbanging
allowed at an ig concert? ;))

just to finish this mail off (sorry if it's a bit long.....), i'd
just like to say thanks to lisa (for helping me, making this
possible, putting up with me....), molly (for being a great friend,
letting me and lisa stay the night in her house....), elvis (yes,
the king has been reincarnated - as a dog.....), and finally, the
list (for making this trans atlantic shindigo possible....)

thanks,

john.

"anyone can be someone. but no-one can be everyone.
so if you want to be someone, it's best to be yourself"

lena fiagbe

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 07:19:17 -0400
reply-to:     "karrie a. bowen" <karrie@ncinter.net>
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from:         "karrie a. bowen" <karrie@ncinter.net>
subject:      least favorites is a lousy description....
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why don't we call it "ig songs we hate.."

hey everyone...

so, here are karrie's least favorite ig songs (and there actually aren't
many because i tend to *like* the ig..that is why i am on this list...)

hey jesus
fare thee well
virginia woolff

these are the only two songs that i actually don't even know all the words
to, basically because i never listened to them all the way through....i
heard them, but i never listened..there is a difference.

i have tried, but it's kinda like spinich.  as i child, i was forced to
try it and try it, and i hated it, and then as an adult, i figured
something momentous would happen because i was an adult, and i would like
it, and when i tried it again, i still hated it.

i think that hj is trite and that fare thee well is way out of em's voice
range, both the high notes and the low, especially that line "i begin to
yearn..."  it is so deep that her voice sounds like it is going to
explode.  vw just drones on and on and on and on......

i like caramia.  basically, because after a few good listens-to, i think
it tells a great story.

ok, off to kid watch (i was informed by miss briana that she is no longer
a baby and she doesn't want anyone to sit on her....)

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 08:29:18 -0400
reply-to:     guinione@aol.com
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from:         guinione@aol.com
subject:      nigc: sunny ???

has anyone heard from sunny (sun@swcp.com) lately ????

i've written her and not heard back - it's been a while since i've last
talked to her, but i didn't get any messages back saying the account is no
longer in existence - so i'm wondering what happened ???

please e-mail me privately

chris

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 09:49:31 edt
reply-to:     becky steele/ventana <becky_steele/ventana.itp@lgate.vmedia.com>
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from:         becky steele/ventana <becky_steele/ventana.itp@lgate.vmedia.com>
subject:      need info on oct. 20 show in winston salem
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hey there kind friends

anyone who has info on the winston salem show please email me privately or to
the list (you know the general information i want - how much tickets are - when
they go on sale).....

i have a phone number to campus but they don't open till noon and after the
friday night show in boone i am much too excited to wait!!!!  the show was
incredible - but then what did we expect.

thanks for the info - becky

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 10:07:42 -0400
reply-to:     michael cunningham <nypro.mcunningham@sdps.org>
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subject:      quick little ig moment.....
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first, since i was in the land of indigo for the weekend (atlanta), i knew
the place where a+e got started would produce many an
indigo-moment....

so on my way to this used cd shop, of course i pass somebody
wearing a light-earthy-green ig shirt!!!  (who was getting their hair cu t-
anyone out their???)  and was like-wow!  (#1)

then i went into the cd shop looking for rare ig / other/ cd's and of
course - shame on you came on!!!  i looked right at my gf and smiled and
she did too cause she knew what i was smiling about...(#2)

and since soy gets a lot of airplay, here's my third moment...... you
know when you're getting that 2-4 early beer buzz when it's early in the
night and you're starting to feel a little fuzzy (and smiling too much)...but
at this point in a crowded bar, lc (i remember the time!!!!) came on!!!!  and
in my fuzzy-ness i sang at the top of my lungs, and embarassed the hell
out of my friends------but hey.....i was in atlanta!!!!  where else could
i sing a ig song at the top of my lungs in a crowded bar.....(of course, i
cleared out our part of the place real quick - [tone deaf...hehehe])  (#3)

thanks,
mkc
btw, hey jesus - is one of my favvvvvorites....and ain't no one gonna
tellin' me a' different!  (i got marbles in my mouth)

"sometimes i feel like a strawberry."--emily saliers

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 09:21:47 -0400
reply-to:     "debra l. dix" <debra.dix@us.coopers.com>
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in a message dated 97-09-20 01:11:44 edt, lisalisaa@aol.com writes:
<< what is it that makes airplane vastly disliked? >>
airplane is closely related to galileo of you look at it from a
reincarnation point of view.  em writes of not being able to explain why
she has such a fear of motion, especially in airplanes.  the harmony in
airplane is really very, very well done.  if you have ever listened to the
roches, you will see where the flavor of the song comes from. i think em
played a big compliment to terry, suzzy and maggie roche by giving them a
modicom of artistic license on the song.  if you look at the songs that
ulalee (sp?) perform on for sots, you will also pick up their flavor, also.
two big thumbs up and hats off to em!   her genious is in interfacing her
music sucessfully with the music of others.  how many other artists have
done this?  imho the biggest compliment a performer can give is to allow
their own songs to be influenced by other artists.

as for caramia:  cool song.  you should realize that this is the only song
that em has made public that has a "i am angry and i am not going to hide
it" sort of message.  i think the line, "you hurt my feelings" was meant to
be naive and child like and even perhaps as some of you have noticed,
rather embarassing.  i think if amy had written the same song, she would
have said "you f----ed up my head" instead.  em makes me feel tender for
her with that line much like how i would feel for a child that other
children pick on.  if you have ever had a bullied when you were small, you
will understand this song a lot better.

that's only one woman's interpretation...


dd

"i could go crazy on a night like tonite,
when summer's beginning to give up her fight..."

          em sailers

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 10:16:38 -0400
reply-to:     sanawike1@aol.com
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from:         sanawike1@aol.com
subject:      ig tonight and thursday (savannah and j-ville) and more! =)

hello! =)
      no longer a member of the list, so if you've a reply, please send it
personally... i just wanted to know if anyone was going to be at these two
shows, because i am! =)  i'm quite excited, to be sure, and wanted to know if
there was a list meet or anything planned... maybe i could meet some of you.
(not like i don't already know enough of you! ;) )  anyhow, i'll be able to
check mail here until 1 pm today, and i guess i'll send my jacksonville addy
tomorrow, since i don't have it handy.
      item number two: i have no information on michelle malone at this
point.  i have been out of town more than in town, and am behind on news, so
please forward any information you might have; i'm concerned.
      item number three: if i've received money from you and have not sent
your stuff, it will be going out today.  i'm trying to wrap it up before i
split, so look for it soon in a mailbox near you. =)  i guess that'll be all
for now.  i'm off to pack for my journey, and hopefully i'll hear from one or
more of you soon! =)  peace, love, and butter biscuits, sarah

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 11:21:09 -0700
reply-to:     amy mednick <amy1@alpeng.com>
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from:         amy mednick <amy1@alpeng.com>
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subject:      tampa and west palm
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me and my gal and our close personal friend lisa tatonetti (who's flying
in from the god-forsaken indigoless midwest) will be doing the road trip
thing. we're arriving in tampa friday afternoon (after her plane touches
down in fort la-ti-da and we drive the 200 and some miles) and staying
overnight in one of those cheap motels by the highway. then we're
gettin' up the next morning (we're not crack-of-dawn people) for the
drive back for saturday night's festivities. the whole point of this
post is to inquire about list meets. anything planned - any ideas? who's
going out there in list land?

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 13:13:44 -0400
reply-to:     joanie <joanie1@ufl.edu>
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from:         joanie <joanie1@ufl.edu>
subject:      jax show
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hey y'all! if you're going to the jacksonville show on thursday, please
email me. a few of us are getting together at the jax landing before the
show, and it would be great to be able to meet everyone. no definitive plans
yet on time, place, etc so let me know what y'all wanna do. see ya!

jendy

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 13:15:03 -0400
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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don richards <donrich@neo.lrun.com> wrote:
>ok, this is bringing me out of lurkdom :) i've been really surprised at
>the response on this list to caramia.

me too, since the initial reactions to sots listed "caramia" and "shed your
skin" as early faves.  have the list members participating changed, or just
their opinions?  how has sots held up for you?

it's held pretty steady for me.  "shed your skin" is still my favorite
track, and i still like the first half of the album much more than the
second half.  it's still about middle-of-the-pack of my ig album rankings
(after 1200, rop, so), but that's more due to my personal taste since i
think they've shown continued growth which each album.

who about the rest of you?  how has your opinion of sots changed after
several months of listening?

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 13:38:23 -0400
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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lynda <lynda@csg-soft.com> wrote:
>its perfectly obvious that the indigo girls and whom  ever is
>responsible for booking this years tours realizes that new england
>rocks!!!! we sell out faster than any other part of the country and  we
>just a better crowd!!! (ok, with maybe the exception of georgia ;)

that's what i thought too until i saw them at chastain park (altanta) over
the summer... trust me, there may be a raging crowd when amy shows up at
eddie's, but the crowd at chastain was the most pathetic of the several
shows i've seen this year.  much more interested in keeping their candles
lit, their conversations lively, and their wine poured than watching the
show.  i suspect the biggest fans in atlanta have seen them in much more
intimate venues, and maybe skip the larger events...

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 13:42:13 -0400
reply-to:     kilorria7s@aol.com
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from:         grace kroeger <kilorria7s@aol.com>
subject:      re: sots: new perspectives

in a message dated 97-09-22 13:16:02 edt, you write:

<<
who about the rest of you?  how has your opinion of sots changed after
several months of listening?
  >>

  i gotta tell ya'll-- i really hated sots when i first got it-- i found that
i couldn't force myself to listen to the second half of the cd -- after
caramia i had to shut it off...

  with that said..

every weekend i have to spend 6 hours on a train.. i bring a discman and
usually just listen to music most of the ride..  one day i left sots in there
are had no other music with me... spent several hours listening to it rather
loud in my headphones-- and ever since that point i've really loved the cd.

  i would still have to say that it is my least favorite of the igs
recordings though-  i personally love them so much because of the way their
voices harmonize as well as their lyrics of the songs... and the harmonys in
sots are in general much more subtle then in most of their other recordings
(hence the reason it's so good with headphones on-- i got a totally different
perspective of the album that way)

  i, too, ,am really surprised by the lists general dislike of caramia.. it's
one of my favorites on the album...  a bit long and i found it to be kinda
drab in concert actually, but loud on headphones it's great :) leeds and cut
it out i can live without, but the rest of the cd i really enjoy.

  oh well, my 2cents :)

::lurk mode back on:: ;)

grace

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 12:46:54 -0400
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> who about the rest of you?  how has your opinion of sots changed after
> several months of listening?

it just keeps growing on me. i really like all of amy's stuff on sots.
she sounds great,
and after seeing her live a bunch of times this year i love
hearing/seeing her play electric guitar,
she looks and sounds so dam sexy with all that power ooozing from her
fingers!!!
you can tell how much she loves it.   imho amy is at her best when her
hearts been broken!!
emily too, her stuff on sots, while at first i was not too impressed,
after seeing her perform the songs live i've come around. i hated
caramia and leeds when i first heard them, and it wasnt till i saw her
perform them that i've really come to like 'em. and if you had any idea
how much i hated those 2 songs you'd see what a turn around seeing them
live has done for me.

my .02
lynda

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 12:29:43 -0400
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kiezha smith <ksmith@sewanee.edu> wrote:

>if they have a fax number, it's not illegal to fax any business requesting
>legitimate information.

you're right -- it's illegal to fax advertisements.  there's info here:
<http://www.ca-probate.com/faxlaw.htm>.

>that's what it's all for, anyway.

i'd be surprised if many businesses buy a fax to receive unsolicited
requests for information.  most use them to send and receive documents after
another means of communication has been established.

> i've never heard
>of such a law in tn, but it must be to avoid people spamming up fax lines-

right, because unlike snail mail, the receiver bears a cost (paper, fax
maintenance, busy fax).

>certainly not for real inquiries.

i still think it'd be tacky to use their private fax; if  they didn't print
it along with their other contact information, they most likely want to use
it for other purposes.

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there are still tickets available for the univ. of md. baltimore campus
show.  it's general admission, so the tix you buy today are good as the ones
i got on sat.  but i think you have to get them on campus -- from the video
plus store by the bookstore.  they're pre-printed at the store from
ticketmaster, but i don't think any other tm outlets can sell them; call
202-432-seat if you want to make sure.

umbc is right off of i-95 (you can follow the signs), just south of
baltimore, very easy to get to.  go to http://www.umbc.edu for info on the
campus; follow links to events/student events board for contact info.

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 14:27:05 -0700
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hi all,

don't know if this was posted yet, but i came across the following tour
dates on the daemon site.

teri binion opening for indigo girls:

oct. 16-mud island amphitheater
oct.17-oak mountain amphitheater
oct. 18-usu complex
oct. 20-wait chapel
oct. 22-stabler arena

anyone know where these places are? they didn't list the states.

lisa

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at first, i was a little surprised at sots.  it is definately a different
branch for the girls, and, while i liked it, i didn't love it.  however, i
find myself wanting to listen to it more and more since april when i bought
it.  it really is an amazing album instrumentaly, with the banjo and all
the electric stuff.  it is hard to compare it with their earlier stuff, but
i think it is just as good.

the only thing i don't like about the album is that there is no "just a and
e on acustic" song.

my .02


alisa


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just seeing if there is any information on ig shows on 10-27 or 10/28...i'm
flying to la on the 24th for a conference, then possibly up to seattle to
visit friends, and if i switch the ticket ($50 dollar fee to do that anyway)
- i might as well try to catch a show on the way back - so if there is a
show on either of those days and it's not too far from a airport with
continential airlines and some kind listee wants to drive me to and from the
airport, lemme know -

peace -
mike r.

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subject:      re: need info on oct. 20 show in winston salem
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tickets for the ig show in w-s are on sale through ticketmonster now, if
i'm not mistaken.  i'm not even sure if students can get tickets from
student union anymore, or if we also must call tm.  the tickets were
$28.50 total, after handling charges, etc.

if you need other info, just ask!

--leona

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hi all,
i was searching pollstar in an effort to procrastinate and find new ways to
spend money i don't have at the same time when i came across a dar williams
date in pittsburgh that interested me.  it's for november 1.  i clicked on
the link for the venue and a list of all the upcoming concerts there came
up.  on the list was sarah mclachlan, also on november 1.  to me, this means
that sarah and dar are playing a concert together.  am i wrong?  does anyone
know anything about this, because ticketmaster didn't have any information
about that date at all.  any info would be greatly appreciated, since i'd
love to see a show like this.  thanks.

elizabeth

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night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the
hardest battle which any human can fight, and never stop fighting."
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"say goodbye to a world where you cannot breathe
to hiding behind unfamiliar skin
to singing songs, never knowing what they mean
now this is the way it was meant to be
be still and listen
to the rising and falling
knowledge is power,
and i never knew me - 'til now"
-michelle malone

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yes, dar williams is opening for sarah mclachlan in pittsburgh on november
1st.  now there's a show i'd love to see..

kerry :)


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subject:      everything in its own time lyrics

i wonder if anyone knows what emily means by:

"the music whispers you in urgency
hold fast to that languageless connection"
in eiiot.

what music?  how is it languageless?  is it
the non-spoken connection one makes
personally to the music that she's talking about?
and how does this relate to the rest of the song?

anyone's opinion would be appreciated.

lisa

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subject:      my spontaneous road-trip realized (a success!)!
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hey y'all,

you may remember that on thursday i posted
that i just bought two tickets to the virginia tech
(blacksburg) concert and was looking for a.)
someone to go with me, or b.) someone to
buy them from me.  i didn't think i could do a
16 hour drive from cedar rapids, ia alone.  well,
as of 7 p.m. friday, i didn't think i was going.
round abouts 1 a.m. that night (er, morning), i
was on my way to a great show with great
listees, a great trip with great scenery, and
many great memories.  talk about spontaneous!
talk about fun!  i met many great people, but
those in particular on the concert portion of the
trip i have to thank are:

- deb bullard, more hard-core (er, nice translation
of crazy) person than i (and most hard-core i've
seen yet) who called me at almost 7 p.m. on friday
night to say she wanted to drive down from montreal
(yes, candada!!!) alone to meet me at the
show and use the other ticket.  hahahaha!  ooooookay,
so i said, "hey, if you do it, i'll do it."  so, she challenged
me and did it....she drove 16 hours after getting off work
on saturday morning at 4 a.m. to arrive for the show on
sat. night.  i cheated and was able to use a netsaaver airfare
to go from chicago to columbus, oh for a mere $89 at the
very last minute (made my reservation at 8 p.m. friday
after talking to deb on the phone).  so, i started out driving
my car from cedar rapids to chicago sat. morning at 1 a.m.,
then flew to columbus, then rented a new intrepid and drove
6 more hours to blacksburg.  worked like clockwork!  i made
it on time to nick dickert's list party.  the indigoddess was
looking out for me every step of the way.   i did, however, have
to take a day off of work today (monday), since that netsaaver
fare was restricted to a monday or tuesday return flight.  oh,
the sacrifices we make!  :)  had to call my supervisor at home
on friday night and say "er, um, you know when i was talking
about going on that crazy road-trip to va and decided
it was too insane just this afternoon.....er, well, mind if i
take monday off?  um, the trip in now on.  hahaha....no
kidding."

but, deb, you are truly an inspiration to us all.  to some
people, you'd be an inspiration of what not to do  :), but most
of us hold your "dedication" in very high esteem.  if it weren't
for you, i'd have missed this very excellent show and
the comradery of fellow listees.  and best of all, kind
friend, you were good company.  :)  people, this woman
showed up excited, with the hugest smile on her face,
not looking tired or haggard at all, after a 16 hour all
night drive.  how do you do it, deb???

- nick dickert had a very successful list meet at his house.
thanks for being a great host.  thanks for letting me use your
shower when i showed up!  (i needed it!)  it was nice to meet
everyone else who was at nick's house.  you were all very
welcoming and great people.

- lisa dupre - i finally got to meet the legendess from hotlanta.
she sold me two of her extra tickets to the blacksburg show and
then fedexed directions at the last minute.  so, you
were the reason for my insanity, lisa! (...at least the instigator!)
nice meeting you!  can't wait to meet up with you in altanta!

some highlights:

1.)  the show absolutely rocked!  a&e were in top form!  very
energetic, very smiley!  the crowd sung loud!  emily smiled more.
amy smiled as always for any and every reason under the sun.
they looked and sounded great.  i'm sure everyone has by now
seen the set list, so i won't elaborate on that....er, except to say
that for the 4th show this summer i tried to get crazy game
played....using the same signs  ("crazy game  you promised
at blossom" and "it's 'next time!'  remember pine knob?")
......but a&e are getting hardened to them i think.  i betcha they're
starting to think "oh, you again."  i guess it's time to give up.
but, it was fun trying...just so y'all know that whoever had the
great fortune of seeing/hearing crazy game played after 6-14-97
in concert, it was because of me!!!  so, there.  :) ...... got some
pics, but haven't developed them yet.  no problemo whatsoever
taking pictures.  the staff, undergrad students, who served as
security, didn't care.  i saw one staff member taking pictures
in the 2nd row.  haha.  btw, nice venue!  virginia tech is
very beautiful and the auditorium where the show was held
was a pleasant surprise.

2.)  the drive.  the 6 hours from columbus, oh to
blacksburg, va, albeit all alone, was just fantastic.  the ride back,
although you'd think it would be a let-down, was just as great.
the best road-trip i've ever taken.  the mountains were glorious
and the weather wasn't too bad either.  beautiful temp, sun
glimmering off the tree tops and sinking slyly down the trees......
i opened the window, grabbed hold of that intrepid's steering
wheel with all my might, and conquered that road.  blasted music!
ha!  nice trip!  i arrived in blacksburg with the thought that i
already had a blast and the show would be the icing
on the cake.  but, it didn't end there.......you'd think that packing
light and being able to take only 5 cds for ten hours of driving in
all was going to hamper my trip a bit.  what does a person do in
that situation?  well, she has a great excuse to stop in the
charleston kmart and buy two new cds.  (just a side note:
if you are a fan of amy grant but haven't had her in your play
list for a long time, revisit her.  her new album is absolutely
wonderful!  it rocks (for amy grant)!  played it over and over again.
shame on me, i almost forgot about ig.  :o )

3.)  a visit to barb and twink!'s - yep, one of the biggest highlights.
i got to meet my heroine, twink! and her inspiration, barb.  :)  i had
a whole day between the show and my flight out of columbus on
monday.  i surprised barb and twink! with a phone call when i
arrived back in columbus sunday night.  i was a mere few blocks
away from their place and they put me up for the night, before my
flight took off at 7:20 a.m. the next morning!  thanks you two!!!!
you are awesome!  they hardly got any sleep and had to go to
work in the morning.  (hope your day went well!)

i was truly inspired.  so many things could've gone wrong
on this trip, considering that no planning went into it.  i packed fast,
arranged the flight and rental car fast, got only 3 hours of sleep
before leaving.....but it all worked out.  i am so inspired by the
success of this trip that i as i was driving i came up with a '97
list shirt design (i drew as i drove.......swerving, weaving all over
the road) and would like to get the ball rolling, if y'all are
in the mood for a '97 list shirt.  'tis fall, and everyone is back in
school.  i'd be willing to head this up but may need some help.
anyone interested?  i have a design sketched out and will lay it out
when i get the chance.  would anyone be willing to put it up on their
web page if i e-mail it to you, so everyone can see it and decide if
they like it?  i don't want this project to be "written in stone" yet.
it's just a suggestion right now and i may not have time to do
anything with it until this weekend or even a week later.

speaking of time....if i owe you boots, and i know i owe
several of you boots, please hold tight for a couple of days.  i had
to set this aside for the trip.  now i have to catch up on homework
and i have high school volleyball reffing to do this week.  speaking
of which, i should get some sleep before reffing my frosh tourney
tonight.  wonder if they'll get a good job out of my tired butt......
what they don't know......  :)

lisa

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 16:26:54 -0400
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i love airplane, too!  i like how emily used the music to create the feeling
of liftoff in an airplane.

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hi gang!  i sent out a video tape to someone on this list about 3-4
weeks ago atleast.  i haven't rec'd it yet and just wondered what the
status of it was.  i would have sent this directly to that person,
except i dont have the name/address - as my e-mail program crashed
since then.

if you are the one that got the vhs tape to tape "the view" and
letterman for me, please contact me privately.

thanks in advance.

lori
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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 17:36:22 -0400
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could some kind soul out there please post a list of all the girls' show
dates and venues?  i'm wanting to go to one of the suny shows, but i have
no clue where or when any of these shows are taking place, nor when and
where the tickets go on sale.  please help a clueless girl!  arg.
jill
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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 23:35:12 +0200
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hi,

the indigo girls released a 4-track cd in 1995 with the tracks:power of
2/dead man's hill/mystery/rocking in the free world(together with k's
choice)
it's the neil young song alright!!
the rocking in the free world track appeared on various
pressings(japan,australia,belgium,uk...)

danny verheezen

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: date: maandag 22 september 1997 9:17
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: someone wrote about igs having a single out of rocking in the free world.
do
: they really? when was it released? and is this the neil young song???
:
: on muzak: i once heard a muzak version of closer to fine in the
supermarket
: and nearly crashed my shopping cart. it was just very bizarre.
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at 05:36 pm 9/22/97 -0400, jill certo wrote:
>could some kind soul out there please post a list of all the girls' show
>dates and venues?  i'm wanting to go to one of the suny shows, but i have
>no clue where or when any of these shows are taking place, nor when and
>where the tickets go on sale.  please help a clueless girl!  arg.

a complete list of all the known dates, as well as all the known on sale
dates, can be found at:

http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html

if you can't access the web, let me know and i will post the dates.

deb

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 14:38:04 -0700
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i wonder if i even have the heart to state this outloud...but the
absolute worst ig songs are as follows...

        1.  ghost
        2.  shed your skin
        3.  reunion
        4.  mystery
        5.  you and me of the 10,000 wars

        and that's it.  they suck.  i can't stand them.  make them go
away!!!!  absolutely horrible...

got your attention?  i'm completely lying...they happen to be my favorites...

        there was once an entire debate about "keeper of my heart"  i
can't even say it's my least favorite.  probably the least listened to
song in my ig catalog...

peace and hair grease,
mysteri

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 18:20:13 -0400
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subject:      rainy day records

i heard this wild rumor that rdr was no longer in atlanta. can anybody
confirm or deny this rumor? i'm gonna be in atlanta in october and wanted
to hit rdr for some cds. thanks for any information anybody can provide

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 18:32:13 -0400
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subject:      re: sots: new perspectives- and other song passions...

thoughts:

deb wrote:
>>it's still about middle-of-the-pack of my ig album rankings
(after 1200, rop, so), but that's more due to my personal taste since i
think they've shown continued growth which each album.<<

all though i definitely agree that each album has showed major continual
growth, i am still holding blood and fire as a personal favorite.  it's tough
knowing that the likelyhood  of ever hearing it live is slim to none (which i
can more than respect amy's emotions about it now) i hold it close to my
heart 'cause it has a lot of personal meaning for me.
but i'm a big fan of dgtgag and leeds.  for a very cheery one i'd have to say
get out the map- it can always make me smile.

i'm also a big fan of rop, so, and 1200- like you said, continual growth....

just some thoughts!!!

in faith-
em

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 15:28:33 -0700
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well hi.
being a long-time lurker, i must jump on the ride here to ask for the name
and address of the person who offered her address and efforts last week to
collect donations/card for michelle during this time of recovery.  i lost
her stats and would love to contribute to the cause...to help out michelle.
i saw michelle at bumbershoot in 1996 and again this year at the girl's
pier concert in seattle.  i just purchased her cd and can't stop playing
it!!  very excellent!
please e-mail me (or possibly post again)!! i want to help.  you know who
you are!!!

thanks,
stacy.  (in tacoma)

"it's really good to see you rocking out
and having fun," ----ray davies

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in a message dated 97-09-22 16:53:27 edt, lschreihart@juno.com writes:

<< the music whispers you in urgency
hold fast to that languageless connection"
in eiiot.

what music?  how is it languageless?  is it
t >>

hey lisa

to me the whole song is about a spiritual connection, which of course native
americans are very famous for, and that whole passage about the unknown being
known and the unseen being seen plays to that feeling.  i think she means by
"languageless connection"  that you don't have to speak at all to feel the
feelings that music or rhythm evoke in you.  hasn't music ever brought up a
feeling in you that was just completely honest but unspoken?  that's what i
see there.  another emily masterpiece of lyrics that says oh so much.

see ya

bonnie

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in a message dated 9/22/97 8:53:50 pm, lschreihart@juno.com wrote:

lisa wrote:

<<i wonder if anyone knows what emily means by:

"the music whispers you in urgency
hold fast to that languageless connection"
in eiiot.

what music?  how is it languageless?  is it
the non-spoken connection one makes
personally to the music that she's talking about?
and how does this relate to the rest of the song?>>

i can only see the "languageless connection" as one thing: love.  possibly
the music as a metaphor for some one, etc.  "hold fast" - hold onto the love
(i.e. languageless conncetion) at any cost- because that person/ thing/
society (i.e. music) is telling you it's time to have that love now....time
to have that solid relationship or whatever.

just some thoughts... did we ever come up with who "you" is in this song.  at
the risk of overstepping my boundries, i can see it as being sung from emily
to amy after amy's tough year.  just some thoughts...

in faith, music, and love-
-em-

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a long long time ago someone posted a map of atlanta which specifically
highlighted ig landmarks; the flying biscuit, eddie's attic, etc... does
anyone still have this map?  i lost it, thinking i wouldn't have to worry
much about it since i live in nj, but turns out i will be going in two
weeks!  btw, has rainy day really moved to key west?  does anyone know
why?  i wasn't on the list when this was happening in august.
      also, this is nigc, but does anyone have phil ochs guitar chords
other than the ones on olga, or know where i can get out-of-print
songbooks?  anyone ig fan reading this and saying to themselves "who the
hell is phil ochs?" do yourself a favor and check him out asap.  he makes
bob dylan look like the christian right.
mc

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hey, group...
have a question about...

<just some thoughts... did we ever come up with who "you" is in this song.  at
the risk of overstepping my boundries, i can see it as being sung from emily
to amy after amy's tough year.  just some thoughts...>


amy's tough year...i feel so out of the loop, but what happened this year
to amy?

scared because i'm in the dark,
alisa


"...for everything i've learned there are two i don't understand."
                                emily saliers


i love to get mail!!!!!!!
alisa greenberg
agreenb1@swarthmore.edu

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    i think i'm one of the few but sots was my favorite ig album since
it's first spin. if they made another like so i would have groaned and
yelled "it's time for something diffrent, doncha think?".
   i think that one of my biggest dreams for the girls is that they would
find a bridge between folk and alternative music. i really think they
came mighty close with sots.
ben

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>        there was once an entire debate about "keeper of my heart"  i
>can't even say it's my least favorite.  probably the least listened to
>song in my ig catalog...
>
>peace and hair grease,
>mysteri
>

that reminds me, i have been meaning to post about keeper of my heart.  i
really like it... it reminds me of blood and fire, another of my favorites.
simple and full of angst.  has amy performed keeper of my heart in concert
much?

elena

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subject:      extra for reception in d.c. after the show

i have one extra pass to the reception following the concert on 24 sept. at
warner theater in d.c.. bonnie raitt, the indigo girls and john trummel will
be there. it is forcasted to begin after the concert between 11:00-11:30 and
last until approx. 1:00am. the location is about 2 blocks from the warner
theater. if interested e-mail me privately as soon as possible.

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subject:      re: tough year?

well, amy and cooper broke up after something like 8 years. that would make
for a tough year...

michelle

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> i heard this wild rumor that rdr was no longer in atlanta. can anybody
> confirm or deny this rumor? i'm gonna be in atlanta in october and wanted
> to hit rdr for some cds. thanks for any information anybody can provide

the rumor is true.  they are now located in key west.  tehy have
opened up and still do some mail order, their number is still
1-800-636-6166.  feel free to give them a call.

                          _________
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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
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subject:      eiiot lyrics responses - 1997 list shirt!!

hey y'all,

well, thank you all for responding to my question about
music making that "languageless connection".  you
guys have solved my problem.  i said in my post about
my trip that i was inspired to make a list shirt.  well,
when i was trying to decide what quote to put on the back,
i wanted to take something from sots.  it is only fitting
to do this, since that is the current album and it would
be a 1997 list shirt.  i wanted to see how that eiiot lyric
"felt" to you all.  your responses were right on target with
what i felt i wanted to put on the shirt.  some of them were:
(reprinted without permission  :p  just read how awesome
you all are!)

______
"they didn't speak the same language as the zapatistas,
but they all played music and danced together every evening
and it changed both e and a's lives."
______
"music, having no words, transcends barriers such as
language, race, etc.  you can love a german composer's
works, even if youdon't know a speck of german.  music
connects everyone, everywhere.that's that languageless
connection. and did you ever listen to something
that moved you soooo much that you practically shook?
have you ever cried at emily's words or amy's power?
then you have experienced music whispering to you in urgency."
______
"i suppose the way i interpret it is that there is some sort of
languageless connection between myself or one in general
and music;  instrumental, vocal,etc.  there is no need to utter a
word of explanation.  the music speaks silent words."
______
"to me the whole song is about a spiritual connection,
which of course native americans are very famous for, and that
whole passage about the unknown being known and the unseen
being seen plays to that feeling.  i think she means by "languageless
connection"  that you don't have to speak at all to feel the
feelings that music or rhythm evoke in you.  hasn't music ever
brought up a feeling in you that was just completely honest but
unspoken?"
______
"i can only see the "languageless connection" as one thing: love.
possibly the music as a metaphor for some one, etc.  "hold fast" -
hold onto the love (i.e. languageless conncetion) at any cost- because
that person/ thing/society (i.e. music) is telling you it's time to have
that love now....time to have that solid relationship or whatever."
______
"what i'm trying to tell you means so much (everything in it's
own time!)  the only way you'll understand & remember it is if
you hear it in a song, in music.  hold on to it, in your head, because
soon the song will be over- (it's language less connection because
everytime you hear it it's the same thing, un like a conversation.)"
______
********

wow!  great words; great analyses!  more inspiration!
the shirt's theme to me should be the great community
that we all share on this list.  i've been inspired by this
community since i came on this list, and i've experienced
it first hand at the concerts and list meets and through
everyone's generosity - unselfish trading, sharing,
looking out for one another on trips, giving each other
a place to stay away from home, sharing thoughts and
feelings openly, listening to each other with an open mind,
respect, playing host to a rowdy (haha!) group of people,
etc.  so, in this spirit, my image for the front of the shirt
is a globe in light blue and light green, surrounded by a string of six
hearts in the rainbow flag colors, all connected on a "tether"
at an angle around the globe.  the globe signifies all of us
around the world, as one "being.".  the hearts are our hearts.
the rainbow colors represent our diversity.  the tether connecting them
represents how we are all brought together (connected)
by the music of ig in a common heart.  around the globe would be
the phrase:  "indigo girls....     .....connect our hearts"
under the globe would be "indigo-girls@netspace.org"
in keeping with this theme of community and connection,
the back of the shirt would qoute emily's eiiot:

"the music whispers you in urgency
hold fast to that languageless connection"

this would be our feelings towards the music of ig and
how we all have a common bond, a languageless connection
with it and with each other through it.

then it would say "1997" under that on the back.

what do you all think?  should we go with this?  who would
be interested in getting a shirt such as this.  i see it being
very colorful and easily seen from a distance.  it would
be an attention getter.  with all these colors, it would cost
more than a normal one-color printed shirt.  but, it would be
vastly nicer.  i've designed a t-shirt for marquette university's
solar boat team for international competition in japan and
we used four colors.  the shirts cost approximately $6
in quantities of about 150 through a company in milwaukee.
if enough people wanted a shirt, we could get a nice price
on a six to seven color shirt.  i could deal with the same
company because i know the guy there now and he was
impressed with my design for marquette.
opinions on this please.  post to the list if you are so inclined.

lisa

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 21:03:26 -0500
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subject:      nigc: that amy grant cd i mentioned

fyi on that new amy grant cd:

the title of that amy grant cd i mentioned
in my "spontaneous road-trip" post is
"behind the eyes", a very recent release.
i think i've been seeing it in the stores now
for about a month or so.  if you like amy grant,
it's very very good.  my fave song so far: "curious
thing".  it's very fun.  here's a snipet, the chorus:

".......
you see life, ooh life is a curious thing
well i know that it can be demanding
i know that it can be unkind
i don't really understand it
but, lord sure knows i try"

and a stanza....
"let me tell you about a kid i knew
a pudgy girl back in school.
she had greasy hair and geeky glasses
the object of ridicule.
the other day in the check out line
they were ringing up my rice and beans
there she was a pretty little face
on the cover of a magazine

just goes to show that you never know
just what tomorrow may bring
but i'll tell you this that what it is
is seldom what it seems"

maybe this used to be the "the girl with the weight of
the world in her hands".  you know, one never knows
just who one is ridiculing.....who that person could turn
out to be....who that person may never be because of
that ridicule, or because of being cut off from society....
just a bit of connection between amy g. and ig.

be nice to that girl with the weight of the world in her
hands.....and have an indigo day!

lisa

p.s.  the pics of amy grant in the cd insert are just beautiful.
i think the older she gets, the more beautiful she gets.

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on mon, 22 sep 1997, emily wrote:

> all though i definitely agree that each album has showed major continual
> growth, i am still holding blood and fire as a personal favorite.  it's tough
> knowing that the likelyhood  of ever hearing it live is slim to none (which i
> can more than respect amy's emotions about it now) i hold it close to my
> heart 'cause it has a lot of personal meaning for me.


i'm so glad that someone out there loves blood and fire as much as i do.
it has been one of my absolute favorites for years, but i don't know the
story behind it. can someone enlighten me?  i'm really interested...

emily

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subject:      ig in tampa

finally  the girls are going to do a signing session in tampa!!
     they will be at barnes & noble on dale mabry on fri for one measly hour,
1 to 2 pm.
      i already have sweaty palms....

      catt.

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lisa m. schreihart wrote:
>
> hey y'all,

  ---  snip  ---

> what do you all think?  should we go with this?  who would
> be interested in getting a shirt such as this.

   ---   snip  --

> opinions on this please.  post to the list if you are so inclined.
>
> lisa
>

  - wow! lisa, ... i'm awe struck! that sounds fantastic. i'll take 3!
:)

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 21:37:07 -0500
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subject:      re: eiiot lyrics responses - 1997 list shirt!!
x-to:         creechal@aslan.emu.edu

a clarification on my post about the list shirt idea..... the lyric on
the
back  would be:

"the music whispers you in urgency
hold fast to that languageless connection"
- emily saliers, "everything in its own time"

that's it, that's all, besides the front "indigo girls...
connect our hearts" around the globe.  the quotes i had from
list members were just what people felt about that
lyric....these were all the responses i got to my original question
about what that lyric meant.  (people responded fast and
eloquently.)  just goes to show that this is a good lyric.  i think
we could agree on this lyric on the shirt, especially since
it has a similar theme as the globe, connected hearts,
community in diversity, our similar feelings about the music,
etc.  and, it's short and beautiful with tons of meaning, as well
as being a great discussion topic when people see your shirt
at concerts and say "hey, where'd you get that?"

lisa

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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 23:14:00 edt
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subject:      least favorites & nigc- dar & sarah in pittsburgh

        hi, this is my first post since i joined the list a few weeks
ago.  first off, i think i saw it mentioned a couple of times that some
peoples least favorite ig songs are cedar tree, let it be me, and
nashville.  i personally love these songs and was just curious as to why
some people dont like them.
        also, i heard that there is a concert in pittsburgh where dar is
opening up for sarah.  does anybody know if it is at aj palumbo?  and if
there are good (if any) seats left?  and how much they are?  i know i
could probably find this info out from ticketmaster, but id rather not
deal with them.  its backfired in the past.  thanks so much- laura

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subject:      re: eiiot lyrics responses - 1997 list shirt!!

this a wonderful idea, i think!

jami

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i want a list shirt!  will you keep me informed about ordering one?
:-) karen

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okay, maybe i am missing the boat, but i have never really liked amy
grant.  exactly what do she and the indigo girls have in commom?!

:-) karen
i'm not trying to be rude, i'm just wondering
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subject:      re: sots: new perspectives- and other song passions...

in a message dated 97-09-22 22:21:30 edt, ecarson@warren-wilson.edu writes:

<< i'm so glad that someone out there loves blood and fire as much as i do.
it has been one of my absolute favorites for years, but i don't know the
story behind it. can someone enlighten me?  i'm really interested...
  >>


hey yeah - post it to the list - i wanna know too!!!!!

peace, harmony & indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
   -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
     -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
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emily:  we call ourselves amy ray.  we'll be here all night.
amy:  that's right.  amy ray.  get used to it.
emily: i'm amy, she's ray.
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in a message dated 97-09-22 14:29:27 edt, you write:

<< oct. 18-usu complex >>

this totally threw me for a loop until i realized.... this is the vsu
(valdosta state u) complex......

now i'm looking even further forward to seeing the girls on this date - i've
heard mucho good things about ms binion.....

26 days to go!!!!!!!  <the countdown begins>

peace, harmony & indigo
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 10:27:46 -0400
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subject:      indigo pictures on the web (not really igc)

i never "promote" my pages, but this one i'm really proud of. = ) everyone
go and tell me whatcha think:

http://members.tripod.com/~dyke/indigo.html

-liz-

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chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu> wrote:
>really, it's not what you'd expect of emily.  i mean, how many people of
>her depth would write a song about airplane fears?

i think emily surprises a lot of people a lot of the time. :-)  for example,
i've read here many times how amused or surprised people are when emily
swears...

emily is very outgoing on stage (more fun than "deep," right?), even though
her songs are very introspective.  you can't make too many assumptions about
personalities based on songs (and i'm not implying that you did, anna, you
just inspired a discussion point!).  there may be more "ghost" -like songs
by emily than there are "airplane" -like songs, but that doesn't necessarily
indicate anything more than the kind of things which she tends to express in
her music.

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emily a. izenstein <emaizen@aol.com
>just some thoughts... did we ever come up with who "you" is in this song.
at
>the risk of overstepping my boundries, i can see it as being sung from
emily
>to amy after amy's tough year.  just some thoughts...

in concert, emily has said it is about waiting for peace in a time of war.
i believe she said that it was written with bosnia in mind, but i wouldn't
swear to it.

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lisa m. schreihart <lschreihart@juno.com> wrote:
>the
>back  would be:
>
>"the music whispers you in urgency
>hold fast to that languageless connection"
>- emily saliers, "everything in its own time"
>
>that's it, that's all, besides the front "indigo girls...
>connect our hearts" around the globe.

sorry... but the "connect our hearts" part is just too much for me... i
mean, i *like* y'all, but while my head is here my heart is definitely
elsewhere. :-)

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about that atlanta map...if anyone has it and might be e-mailing it to a
"mary clark"... i would love to get this... one that highlights ig landmarks
throughout the atlanta area....  8-) .....thanks!

and while i'm here, can anyone give me some information about the
atlanta-area discussion lists.... i heard of an atlanta-area music list - but
is there one for just ig, or no?!......

and, while i'm here here..... that list shirt sounds like an awesome
idea...... keep me / the list informed!!!  also, just wondering about it, is it
ok to make a shirt with "indigo girls" on it and with lyrics and "emily
saliers" on it as well......?????
if we're not sure let me know and i'll give emily a call to see if it's ok
(since i just spoke to her last week).....(well, a "thanks" means we're
best friends........ errr..right?????.....)........j/k

fast nut bot lirst...
indiglowin'...
thanks!!!
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we don't know which, but we gotta run"
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"you are the keeper of my heart"  <sigh>
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in a message dated 97-09-22 16:53:24 edt, you write:

<< "the music whispers you in urgency
hold fast to that languageless connection"
in eiiot.
what music?  how is it languageless?  >>

oooooh lisa you got me started  :)  i think this is one of em's best songs to
date.

"the music" - any music.  these lines discuss the effect that music itself
has on the singer.

"languageless connection" - in its essential form, music is languageless.
think on it:  does beethoven compose in german?  no - he composes music.
instrumental music.  when you get into the realm of words, yes you add that
touch of language, but still the most basic component of the song is the
music.  without the music, you're just singing words.

make sense?

peace, harmony and indigo,

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  ~ novitiate of suzanneglassism
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at 1:01 am -0400 9/23/97, kare rosenblum wrote:
>okay, maybe i am missing the boat, but i have never really liked amy
>grant.  exactly what do she and the indigo girls have in commom?!
>
>:-) karen
>i'm not trying to be rude, i'm just wondering

ok, i'll answer this one:  joni mitchell.  on amy's last cd, she did a
remake of "big yellow taxi."  an excellant version i must say...gave me a
new appreciation for the song...and as we all know, emily loves joni
mitchell.  so that's the first thing amy grant and the indigo girls have in
common...appreciation for the same good music.

both amy grant and emily wrote a song called "galileo"  (amy's galileo
talked about how if history hadn't happened the way it did, she might never
have found her love...."in the year of 1492, when columbus sailed the ocean
blue, had he landed on india's shore, you might never have come to knock on
my door....ask me just how much i love you, you are starlight, i'm galileo,
even on the darkest night, oh, i will find the shining light of our love.")

(going out on a limb here, but i think) amy (grant) could do a pretty good
job recording emily songs, and emily could do a pretty good job recording
amy (grant) songs.  i think they have similar styles....similar, not the
same.  she did a good job on the "tapestry revisited" cd of all carol king
songs (i forget which one she did....)

this is all jmho....her christmas cd's are beautiful...on one, she sings a
rocking version of "o little town of bethlehem" believe it or not ...
didn't even recognize it until i heard the words...

ok, i'll shut up now.  later y'all....


joni  :o)

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 10:18:00 bst
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just thought i'd pass this info on...

dar williams is coming to the uk for a 'songwriting' tour with janis ian &
martyn joseph.  even if you've never heard any of 'em, go!  you won't be
disappointed!  dates are all november:

7  fri          wolverhampton           the brook
8  sat          cambridge               corn exchange
9  sun          york                    barbican
11 tue          liverpool                            liverpool philharmonic
12 wed          warwick                 warwick arts centre
13 thu          reading                 hexagon
15 sat          cheltenham              town hall
17 mon          south shields           customs house
18 tue          glasgow                 garage
19 wed          edinburgh                                  queens hall
21 fri          london                  shepherds bush empire
23 sun          dublin                  olympia
24 mon          belfast                 whitla hall

i'll be at the cambridge show :)

also, a quick plug for my own event, speakeasy - monthly live acoustic music
club here in brighton.  this month we're featuring lucy ray, a captivating
contemporary singer-songwriter who's debut cd was released earlier this year
to critical acclaim. "there are some moments of pure beauty in life that
have to be grabbed with both hands before they slip away. lucy ray's songs
have such beauty." said melody maker (well, what do you expect with a name
like ray ;) )  also featuring mouse's milk: torch songs & chanson d'amour;
and ellie mules: talented young vocalist and keyboard player making her
brighton debut.  oh, and i'm playing too.   speakeasy is on wednesday
october 1st, 9pm, at cybar, 9-12 middle st, brighton.  3/2.50.

and everyone i'm dubbing the ig decatur vid for...i'm getting through them
slowly and surely - my life is completely manic at the moment, so please
bear with me - i'll get them out very soon, i promise!


seffy

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at 09:13 am 9/23/97 -0400, deb wrote:
> emily a. izenstein <emaizen@aol.com
>>just some thoughts... did we ever come up with who "you" is in this song.
>at
>>the risk of overstepping my boundries, i can see it as being sung from
>emily
>>to amy after amy's tough year.  just some thoughts...
>
>in concert, emily has said it is about waiting for peace in a time of war.
>i believe she said that it was written with bosnia in mind, but i wouldn't
>swear to it.

deb's correct. at one of the chastian shows emily said the song was
inspired by a segment she saw on cnn about bosnia.

deb

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i love the idea of the shirt and the theme of the joining of
our hearts in a diverse world, particularly since i feel emily's words
"the music whispers you in urgency, hold fast to that languageless
connection", are about how music can be a powerful bond which heips us to
break down the barriers between us; ultimately leading to a more peaceful
world.

and having peace in our lifetime , but remaining patient and hopeful in
our committment to this, is what i read she meant when she wrote the
song. maybe the addition on the shirt somewhere of a native  american
symbol for peace or something to do with the connection theme might be
nice?

lisa

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subject:      blacksburg set-list
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who was that i saw sully give the set list to on saturday night?  e-mail
me privately if anyone knows.  thanks.

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 11:03:13 -0400
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from:         kathleen flaherty <kef1330@aol.com>
subject:      re: atlanta map? (some nigc)

<< a long long time ago someone posted a map of atlanta which specifically
highlighted ig landmarks; the flying biscuit, eddie's attic, etc... does
anyone still have this map?  >>


hey, if there really is such a thing i need it too.  i'm heading for
indigoland the first week of november. (which is why i want to talk to you
about atlanta, mel.  if i ever get around to it!)

cheers!
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 10:39:50 -0500
reply-to:     deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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from:         deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
subject:      re: amy grant? (and list t-shirts)
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>at 1:01 am -0400 9/23/97, kare rosenblum wrote:
>>okay, maybe i am missing the boat, but i have never really liked amy
>>grant.  exactly what do she and the indigo girls have in commom?!
>>
>>:-) karen
>>i'm not trying to be rude, i'm just wondering

in addition to what joni said about about big yellow taxi and galileo,
another tie between amy grant and ig is that just like amy ray, she also
wrote a song about the holocaust. it's called "lead me on" from the cd of
the same title. grant's song, however, is more about what can be overcomed
then the stark reality of ar's words.

and this one might be really pushing it, but as much i like to fly i don't
care much for the take-offs. as the plane rumbles down the runway, i
certainly don't think of em's "airplane" because it is my all-time least
favorite ig song (yuck, yuck, yuck, hate it, hate it, hate it) instead i
sing the words of amy grant's "angels ". helps me everytime :)


and at 09:28 am 9/23/97 -0400, michael cunningham wrote:
>and, while i'm here here..... that list shirt sounds like an awesome
>idea...... keep me / the list informed!!!  also, just wondering about it,
is >it ok to make a shirt with "indigo girls" on it and with lyrics and "emily
>saliers" on it as well......?????

i already sent this info to lisa, but no it isn't. indigo girls is a
registered trademark and lyrics are also copyrighted. granted, last year's
shirt had plenty of lyrics on it, but even though the copyrights were
acknowledged on the shirt, russell carter had a bird (a well documented
medical affliction) and asked that the list not do that again. he said it
to my face and used some fine lawyerly words so i know he meant it :)

so any shirt or any future list projects need to be just that -- "list"
projects -- no use of the name indigo girls, no use of lyrics. in addition,
there are guidelines in the faq for using the list name so that needs to be
taken into consideration too. and in case you're keeping score and for
whatever it's worth, song titles are not protected by copyright, so the use
of "power of two" on last year's shirt was ok.

hope that helps some.

deb

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 12:18:03 -0400
reply-to:     rich benson <cobweb@grove.ufl.edu>
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you know, there is an amy grant album--lead me on--that i think a lot of ig
fans would appreciate.  it's pretty folky and acoustic, and has some really
good lyrics.  i especially agree that amy has a style similar to emily on
this album.  don't let the fact that she's a christian scare you away--the
song "what about the love" shows that she understands that a lot of
"christians" today have forgotten exactly what christianity is about--

"i went to see my sister/she was staying with a friend/who had turned into
a preacher/to save the world from sin/he said first deny your body/and then
learn to submit/pray to be made worthy/and tithe your ten percent/i said is
this all there is?/just the letter of the law/something's wrong/something's
wrong in heaven tonight/you can almost hear them cry/angels to the left and
the right/saying what about the love, what about the love, what about the
love?"

i'm definitely not trying to get the christianity war started again--just
trying to get some people to listen to a really gifted artist who otherwise
might not give her a chance....

this album is after she made the "crossover" into a . . . . what would you
call her?  a pop singer?  so none of these are really blatantly christian
songs--but many of them are grounded in christian philosophy.

rich benson
',,'',,''
cobweb@grove.ufl.edu
',,'',,''
these are ghosts and mirages,
these thoughts of fairer weather
though it's storming out
i feel safe within the arms of love's discovery
                -e. saliers
',,'',,''

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 08:54:45 pdt
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i already deleted the message, so i don't remember who wrote it -
maybe deb?  anyway somebody wrote this morning about how their head is
here with "us" but not their heart.  well, i don't know about anybody
else but the list has come to have a very special place in my heart.
i'm in the midst of a really sad week (the birthday of my daughter who
died 13 years ago) and i find that logging in and reading everybody's
posts cheers me up immensely, and there's always something touching said
by someone which enriches my life and lifts my spirits.  i happen to
love y'all, even the lurkers who never post anything, just by
virtue of our connection through a shared love of a + e's music.  i
happen to love that part of the idea for the shirts...
nic

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 12:32:13 -0400
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subject:      re: amy grant?!
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rich wrote:
> this album is after she made the "crossover" into a . . . . what would you
> call her?  a pop singer?  so none of these are really blatantly christian
> songs--but many of them are grounded in christian philosophy.

and, no matter what your spirituality background is, some of her
pre-crossover work is simply wonderful.  i think emily would have been
very proud of writting "el shaddai" (spelling?) even though it is very
clearly a "christian pop" song.

oh another similarity between ag and ig?  both refuse to negotiate
away their principles to sell more albums.  they do what they do.  if
it sells, great.

on the subject of other artists.  thanks again to the list for
steering me to a new artist.  i picked up the k's choice cd "note
unheard" on the list's recommendation and i really like it.  i wish
"old woman" went on for a least another 4 minutes -- a concert jam on
this would be a thing to hear.

                                -- chris

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 17:26:21 +0000
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from:         john bond <bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk>
organization: worcester college of higher edu.
subject:      re : amy grant

i don't know about the amy grant thing - i like what amy grant
stuff i have heard (big yellow taxi, every heartbeat...), but
listening to her and ig, i wouldn't say they're that similar - they
both make good music though....

john.

"anyone can be someone. but no-one can be everyone.
so if you want to be someone, it's best to be yourself"

lena fiagbe

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 13:07:07 -0400
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from:         hudsonvu@aol.com
subject:      re: nigc: dar in uk :)
x-to:         seffy@epic.co.uk

in a message dated 97-09-23 10:51:29 edt, seffy@epic.co.uk writes:

<< dar williams is coming to the uk for a 'songwriting' tour with janis ian &
martyn joseph.  even if you've never heard any of 'em, go!  you won't be
disappointed!  dates are all november:
  >>
i hate to be the bearer of bad news, but i'm almost certain that i heard that
dar had changed those plans and won't be in the uk until next year - if i
remember correctly, her management and/or record company wants her to
continue promoting the new cd in the states for the next few months.

maureen

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 12:20:12 -0500
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christopher m. becker wrote:

> and, no matter what your spirituality background is, some of her
> pre-crossover work is simply wonderful.

delurking for a moment...

as a long-time amy grant fan, i feel compelled to comment on something
she definitely does *not* have in common with the indigo girls.  upon
finding out that one of her close friends was a lesbian, amy grant
said, "it's like she died...only worse."  i still like her music (pre-
and post-crossover), but because of that homophobic attitude i'm not
as big of a fan as i once was.

not trying to bad-mouth amy grant...just commenting, because i know a
lot of people on this list care about what kind of politics (not just
what kind of music) their favorite artists practice.

lee
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 15:20:52 -0500
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lisa schreihart,
        go ahead with the t-shirt design, it sound great, i'll buy !!!

nick dickert
916-a giles road
blacksburg, va 24060
(540) 951-4983

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                                                                -emily sailers


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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 22 sep 1997 - special issue
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lisa s :  go ahead with the t-shirt design, it sounds wonderful, wonderful,
wonderful !!!!

i think it would be great, and i would buy !!

nick dickert
916-a giles road
blacksburg, va 24060
(540) 951-4983

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                                                                -emily sailers


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lisa schreihart,
        go ahead with the t-shirt design, it sound great, i'll buy !!!
i think i sent the whole digest again, sorry, and please don't flame me :)

nick dickert
916-a giles road
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(540) 951-4983

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                                                                -emily sailers


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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 15:28:28 -0400
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from:         "kevin j. mitchell" <kjmitchell@rachel.read.tasc.com>
subject:      honor the earth website songs

   i think this was asked before but i don't recall seeing a response.
someone asked how you can access the songs on the honor website and then
someone else said that bury my heart was a great version.  so my question
is how exactly can you hear these songs.  do you need real audio installed
on your computer and configured with netscape so that when you click on the
song it is played?  when i click on the song i get a 1 lined file
downloaded that looks like this: pnm://m1.monsterbit.com/rafiles/htetour/
1closertofine.ra.  can anyone help on this issue? thanks.

p.s.  are these all songs in their entirety and how do they sound?

kevin mitchell

kjmitchell@tasc.com

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 15:43:00 -0400
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from:         indigo slut <lturcotte@star.net>
subject:      ahh!! (igc)

cani just shout out to everyone that i got my amherst, ma bootleg from
lynda (lynda@csg-soft.com) today and that it kicks ass and i owe lynda my
kidney....

= )

-liz-

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could someone send me the set list of the amherst show?
thanks,
emily

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is anyone out there as big a suzanne vega fan as i am?  i was surprised
to see that only three people listed her as a favorite on sherlyn's
survey?  does anyone know if she's touring, or what she's doing now?
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 16:52:18 -0400
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subject:      re: suzanne vega nigc
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in a message dated 97-09-23 16:34:02 edt, indigo000@hotmail.com writes:

<< is anyone out there as big a suzanne vega fan as i am?  i was surprised
to see that only three people listed her as a favorite on sherlyn's
survey?  does anyone know if she's touring, or what she's doing now? >>

i was a pretty big fan of suzanne's for a while- i love "days of open hand"
and "99.9f" but her last album didn't do much for me. last i heard she was
touring with lilith fair this summer...


rick
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 17:25:43 -0400
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subject:      atlanta - "ig" map
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hey y'all-

to anyone who wants an ig-related atlanta map:

i put one together using mapsonus - it includes:

eddie's attic; little 5 points; flying biscuit cafe; the common pond;
piedmont park; emory u; virginia-highlands; ansley square (not ig, but
gay); the otherside (ditto); midtown promenade (not ig, but some gay).

just e-mail me & i'll e-mail it back to you via an *extremely* long
mapsonus url. if your mailer supports url's, just click on it. if not,
you'll have to copy & paste it to your web browser, or type it all out
your self <lol> (when i said "*extremely* long url", i meant it!).

you can zoom in on any of the locations for a closer look since the map
encompasses a relatively wide area. plus you can move around, zoom out,
whatever. you can change it to black & white, and you can change the
size by clicking on map settings. the map is by mapsonus so it can't
legally be posted to a private web page.

if you want any specific addresses for the sites listed above - please
include which specific locations in your e-mail to me & i'll try to
accomodate your wishes.

[note: i'm not posting it to the list because i doubt that *everyone*
wants it... plus i'm not quite sure of the legalities of posting it to a
private mailing list which would then send it to 1000 individuals & be
included in the list archives.]

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 17:38:32 -0400
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the songs are dat from soundboard, along with a few press conferences and
some other cool stuff, if you have any technical problems - email mellie at

mellie@monsterbit.com

peace -
mike r.

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 18:00:00 +0000
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does anyone else have a lot of static when they listen to these files?
it's almost unlistenable because everytime the dynamics are high, there's a
bunch of static.  let me know if this is just me or if it's everyone.

thanks a lot!
rob

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 18:12:05 -0400
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subject:      denver '90 boot question

happy tuesday! friday can't come too soon, imo..

does anyone own the denver co 10/21/90 bootleg? i have some
questions....did anyone go to this concert? can you tell me anything about
the venue, audience, etc?

-liz-

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from:         rob hite <hiterj@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
subject:      if you're on the sc boot tree help!!
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hey everyone!!

i just made the stupidest mistake in the history of boot trees.  i was
taping the sc boot and when i flipped it over to do the 2nd side and left,
i put the tapes in the wrong deck and got only silence and taped over the
second side of the master boot!!   i know...i'm totally stupid.  so my plea
to any of you would be would anyone be so kind as to retape my sencond side
if i sent the tape so i can keep my patiently waiting branches from falling
off the tree??  i'm so sorry for the inconvenience and anyone's help would
be greatly appriciated!!!

sorry y'all!
rob

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 18:20:03 -0400
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...and then there is the amy connection.  y'know, amy grant and amy ray.
a friend of mine (amy seay) says that all people named amy are connected
through the psychic amy network...

:)
anna

"i base my fashion taste on what doesn't itch." -gilda radner
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 18:36:25 -0400
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re: hte web songs-

kevin asked if you need realaudio to hear the hte webcast; whether the
songs were played in their entirety; & how the songs sound.

yes, you need realaudio to hear them. it can be downloaded from their
website: < http://www.real.com >

yes, the songs are played in their entirety.

how they sound depends on: which version of realaudio you have; how you
have your ra configured; your computer's sound card & driver; how fast
your modem can download; & how busy the hte site is at the time.

peace...
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            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 18:38:24 -0400
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heh heh.  if that is so, then could any amy out there tell me why my ex
(yeah, an amy) is so evil and malicious?  hee hee...
jill


on tue, 23 sep 1997, chickensoprano wrote:

> ...and then there is the amy connection.  y'know, amy grant and amy ray.
> a friend of mine (amy seay) says that all people named amy are connected
> through the psychic amy network...
>
> :)
> anna
>
> "i base my fashion taste on what doesn't itch." -gilda radner
>  http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm
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hello to each and every one of you!!

i am so surprised at the big amy grant response!  back in the very early 80's
during my extreme christian phase, i was a huge amy fan.  really loved her
stuff.  then i kind of lost track of her, bought her xmas tape, saw her on tv
once or twice, but didn't follow her.  then 2 weeks ago my daughter and i
were listening to our favorite all women's music show on sat. afternoon, and
this one song came on about "knock all you want".  i said, wow this sounds
like amy grant.  sho nuff, it was her!

she is really so talented, i'm glad she has stuck it out.  can anybody tell
me if she is still married to gary chapman?  thanks y'all

bonnie

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 18:50:21 -0400
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can we all say "jill is stupid"?  can we all say it again?  can we all
write it out in triplicate on our foreheads so everyone can see it?
that college (hobart and william smith) in geneva, ny, where i almost
went, and  the indigo girls, my favorite group.
what do they have in common?  oh, just a concert on nov.3.
i am sitting here among my nauseatingly posh-yet-angst-ridden peers,
kicking myself.  yeah, let's go to oberlin, i thought.  hws is too far
from home.  now i'm stuck here with some of the wealthiest, least
down-to-earth people i've ever met and no indigo girls coming here.  man,
this is just the icing.  whatever.  i am going to that concert.  i will
be at that concert. christ.
jill :(

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hello all
sorry to waste the bandwith and everything else i'm supposed to
apologize for...i'm hoping all you college student listees can help
me. i'm not very happy at my college right now, the conservative
christian attitude is driving me crazy.  so i was hoping some of you,
if you have the time, would write to me and tell me a little about
your schools.  i'm a communications major and i have an a.a. in
music, so those are my interests.  i'm back at square 1 and don't
know where to start, so i'd just appreciate any opinions.  you all
seem like really cool people, so i'm sure you go (or went) to great
schools.  i will appreciate any response
thank you

abby  (feeling a *little* guilty because i'm at a christian school
but i turn to ig music for inspiration and guidance)

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here's my advice to rob and others - as soon as you receive a boot in the
mail, punch out the little square tabs on the top edge of the casette.  that
will prevent taping overtop.  if you ever want to record over it, just put
some masking tape over the holes.  sometimes i punch out the holes for
people i'm taping for, but most times i forget. the same goes for video tapes.

lori

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 16:15:26 -0700
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>
> does anyone else have a lot of static when they listen to these files?
> it's almost unlistenable because everytime the dynamics are high, there's a
> bunch of static.  let me know if this is just me or if it's everyone.
>


maybe it depends on your standards... i'm getting bursts of static,
mostly on amy (surprise, surprise) but it's overall pretty good -
compares to a bad radio broadcast - i.e. clearer than your average
concert boot.  i'm recording each song through my sound card, so
eventually i'lll be able to make dubs for people who don't have real
audio or good web access etc.  maybe someone with a great sound system
could do it too - mine is just whatever comes with a gateway.

anyway, question:  it's alright and scooter boys seem to be bad links -
this isn't just happening to me, right?  anybody get them to come up?

best thing so far is a dressing room version of bartenders blues - weird
sound for them in the midst of the new loud stuff, but the harmony is
great.

in the version of cut it out, amy inserted part of a song which i recently
discovered is a neal young song, cowgirl in the sand.  this is part of
what she was inserting in the san diego/l.a. versions of cut it out, but
there was also more that doesn't seem to be this song.  curiouser and
curiouser...

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while i'm posting .. ani difranco was on mrl last sunday - i caught it by
accident and didn't tape it (sorry) but there was a little, little bit of
ig content.

first, she was asked about lilith fair and mentioned that she and "my
friend amy from indigo girls" are talking about the rolling thunder pussy
revue.  the moderator guy said they'd ask her about it when they came back
from commercial but then he didn't - so no real news.

more interesting - ani says she is planning a new project on her label,
righteous babe records - a cd of last year's woody guthrie benefit which
she, ig and lots of other interesting people played at.

here's a short exerpt from a review of that concert that i found on-line
to tell you what might be on the cd:


"difranco opened with a haunting, almost whispering blues version of
guthrie's "do re mi," replacing the original song's good natured sarcasm
with quiet rage over the rich taking advantage of the poor. "

"she then teamed up with emily saliers and amy ray of the indigo girls for
a pair of her own songs, including an angry love song called "out of
range" and a wickedly funny feminist ditty called "not a pretty girl." "

[...]

"the indigo girls applied their tight harmonies on guthrie's dancing
"gypsy davy," then played several tight renditions of their own songs,
including "this train," a sliding guitar folk blues inspired by guthrie's
"this train is bound for glory." "


i didn't catch the whole program, unfortunately.  i got tired of sitting
in the market parking lot...

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there is an article in the 9/23 issue of 'usa today' on the hte tour.

(reprinted without permission)

indigo girls sing out for environment
by marty berry
usa today

        amy ray of folk-rock duo indigo girls believes rock 'n' roll
really can change the world.
        ray and musical partner emily saliers, long associated with a
range of political causes, are on a month-long honor the earth tour to
benefit native american environmental groups. specifically, they're
trying to convince the government not to dump nuclear waste on native
american lands. the tour's main goal is to derail the nuclear waste
policy act, passed by the u.s. senate and now pending in the house.
        "it's very far-reaching legislation affecting indian people," ray
says. "they've been affected by the whole cycle, from nuclear tests on
shoshone lands in the '50s to mining and now nuclear disposal."
        the tour should raise $300,000, ray says, to be distributed by
three native american groups - the seventh generation fund, the
indigenous women's network and the indigenous environmental network - who
administer honor the earth.
        high-profile no nukes shows are planned for washington, d.c.,
on wednesday and las vegas on sept. 30, when honor will hook up with muse
(musicians united for safe energy). bonnie raitt and native american
activist/musician john trudell will be on the d.c. roster, and raitt,
jackson browne and graham nash will join the girls in las vegas.
        although the girls' activities are increasingly political - they
also recently traveled to chiapas, mexico, to support the zapatista
indians in their fight for self-determination - don't look for them to
abandon their regular album-tour schedule.
        "i get too burned out doing the political stuff," ray says,
"after three days of doing this...i have to sit and watch cartoons for a
day."
        what does she watch? 'the simpsons' - the satirical cartoon that
features a character (homer) who works at a nuclear plant.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      ig:  amy in usa today! and misc. ramblings about this weekend

there is an interview with amy in today's usa today newspaper.  sorry if this
is a double posting, but i haven't seen anyone mention it yet.

first of all:   to each and every person i met this most amazing weekend - i
had a **wonderful** time - thank you all so much =)    i don't even think i
can remember everyone, but that includes:  sharon, franny, nancy, rose, nick,
matt, melissa, anne, tracy, kim, joe, jen, susan, jocelyn, mel, and of
course, my fellow road-tripper, cheri!!    and how can i forget - lisa - i
was *so* happy to see you there =)!!!   it's a shame about the shirt and
copyright laws, because i personally saw some of her artwork (a necklace that
she made), and it was very cool!!!   i'm sure the shirt would be amazing.

i didn't think it could get any better after saturday's show, but a last
minute miracle score of front row tickets on sunday, and amy laughing at a
sign that we made was the topper =)!    a&e were both in great moods and
talked a lot during all the shows - it was just great =)  you can tell how
much they are enjoying themselves on stage.

i owe lots of people mail and lots of people boots, so if i made you a
promise, please email me to remind me what i promised.   =)   i'm kind of
behind right now in email land.  i promise to try to write before i leave on
ig-weekend part two =)!

also, there was a radio interview with amy that was broadcast before the
savannah show last night - did anyone manage to get that on tape?!?!?!!   if
so, can you please email me?   =)  i'd love to trade with you for a copy =)
thanks!

and finally - here is the article!!!

this article is reprinted without permission, all typo's are mine,  and all
that jazz!

indigo girls sing out for the environment
by marty berry
usa today 9/23/97

amy ray of folk-rock duo indigo girls believes rock' n' roll really can
change the world.

ray and musical partner emily saliers, long associated with a range of
political causes, are on a month-long honor the earth tour to benefit native
american environmental groups.  specifically, they're trying to convince the
government not to dump nuclear waste on native american lands.  the tour's
main goal is to derail the nuclear waste policy act, passed by the u.s.
senate and now pending in the house.

"it's very far-reaching legislation affecting indian people," ray says.
"they've been affected by the whole cycle, from nuclear tests on shoshone
lands in the '50's to mining and now nuclear disposal."

the tour should raise $300,000, ray says, to be distributed by three native
american groups - the seventh generation fund, the indigenous women's network
and the indigenous environmental network - who administer honor the earth.

high-profile no nukes shows are planned for washington, d.c., on wednesday
and las vegas on sept. 30, when honor will hook up with muse (musicians
united for safe energy).  bonnie raitt and native american activist/musician
john trudell will be on the d.c. roster, and raitt, jackson browne and graham
nash will join the girls in las vegas.

although the girls' activities are increasingly political - they also
recently traveled to chiapas, mexico, to support the zapatista indians in
their fight for self-determination - don't look for them to abandon their
regular album-tour schedule.

"i get too burned out doing the political stuff," ray says.  "after three
days of doing this.... i have to sit and watch cartoons for a day."

what does she watch?  "the simpsons" - the satirical cartoon that features a
character (homer) who works at a nuclear plant.


that's it!!
=)
lisa

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at 07:03 pm 9/23/97 -0400, lori <macleods@spectranet.ca> wrote:

>here's my advice to rob and others - as soon as you receive a boot in the
>mail, punch out the little square tabs on the top edge of the casette.
>that will prevent taping overtop.

excellent advice!

>if you ever want to record over it, just put some masking tape
>over the holes.

a small word of caution... not all 'holes' on the top of a tape cassette
shell are created equal... some of the holes inform your tape deck what
tape type you are using (type i, type ii, and type iv)... and covering
those holes will mis-inform your tape deck... it will adjust itself for
the wrong tape type.

i have attempted to draw below the appearance of the top of the cassette
shell for each of the three tape types, and if your mailer uses a fixed
width font (like courier), the drawings below should look ok... if you
use a variable width font, the drawings will look strange.


  -----------------------------------------
    |t|                               |t|        type i normal low-bias
  -----------------------------------------

  -----------------------------------------
    |t|x|                           |x|t|        type ii chrome high-bias
  -----------------------------------------

  -----------------------------------------
    |t|x|       |x|       |x|       |x|t|        type iv metal high-bias
  -----------------------------------------


in the drawings, 't' represents the write-enable tab which, if present,
enables you to write (record) over the tape... removing this tab will
prevent writing over the tape.

on type ii and type iv tapes, there is a hole (holes are shown as 'x')
adjacent to the write-enable tab... covering this hole with masking
tape will inform your deck that you have normal low-bias type i tape,
not high-bias 'chrome' type ii tape... if taping over the 'tab' on a
type ii tape, be careful to apply tape only to the 'tab' portion, not
the 'hole' area.

note also, that type iv tapes have an additional set of holes inboard
of the write enable tabs, nearer the cassette shell's centerline.

of course, some decks do not have automatic sensing of tape-type and
require you to manually set type... in that case, covering these holes
is irrelevant, since your deck uses the manually set values, but most
modern decks use tape-type holes, at least for playback... so covering
these holes will incorrectly adjust your deck.

one more thing... as you face any side of a tape cassette, the tab/holes
on the left apply to the side you are facing.

john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
san jose ca

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 19:55:48 -0400
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hey all
i was searching the net and came across a full length ig cd called breaking
curfews for sale.  is this a boot?  does anyone know the venue?  is it worth
$40?
thanks
lori

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i have to ask, has anyone heard the new album? behind the eyes? i haven't
but i intend to. amy was wonderful during my christian years. i think she
was more real than any of the other artists i listened to at the time, with
the exception of michael w smith who also went pretty bland around the time
amy discovered pop for thirteen year olds.

however, i too agree that lead me on is one of the great albums. faithless
heart was magical. i can't believe that album came out 8 years ago! her
earlier stuff didn't seem appropriate to listen to once i left the church
but hearing el shaddai or stay for a while or thy word still gives me
chills. when she went "pop" i felt sad that she had left the music of lead
me on behind and have always wished she'd go back to it. word has it she
has with the new album and i can't wait to hear it.

i hope that the homophobic comment amy made was very old. i too used to say
such things and hurt a friend deeply by telling him that he and i were the
same in god's eyes except that he had a bigger blotch of sin on his heart
than i did. what a hypocrite! i hope that experience has taught amy to be
more forgiving and understanding.

helen

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subject:      bootlegs from this summer and fall

hi...
well i am already bored with school, so i have to start trading again.  i was
wondering (again) if anybody has any shows from the summer tour i could get
ahold of.  actually any of the shows from this year, especially recent ones.
so if anyone's interested lemme know.  also is anybody booting the dc show
?? because if not, i will so if i dont hear from anyone by tomorrow, i am
gonna tape it (not that its that big a deal, but my equipment isnt exactly
wonderful) see everyone tomorrow night in dc !!!!!!!!!

peace
sasha

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 10:16:52 +1000
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hey everyone,

chris becker said, re lori's question about "breaking curfews":
> its a promo for 1200 curfews.  i believe its about 1/2 the content of
> 1200 curfews using identical tracks.

right - it's just the first cd of 1200c.  i have one at home
but i'm completely blanking on what it looks like - having the
flu will do that to you!

> p.s.  faq committee, we should include this question next time around
>       under the 1200c section.  its a good one....

yeah, we should.  remind me. :)

as it says in my signature, i'll be going away the day after
tomorrow for about a week and a half.  i will have email
access while i'm away, but i'm not sure how sporadic it'll be
(depends on how busy i am).  i was going to arrange for the
server to get everyone to confirm their subscriptions today,
but i think i'll wait until i get back instead.  everyone
behave while i'm gone. :)

sick, exhausted and blessing whoever invented coffee...
sherlyn
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 20:26:39 -0400
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<breathing>

ok, i've tried to deal long enough, but the time has come for me to ask for
everyone's positive thoughts....

i can't find the first cd to my 1200 curfews set!

ok, i've said it...i think i loaned it to a friend of mine, but she swears
she doesn't have it anymore and i've looked in every jewel case i
own.....where could it be?   ahhhhhhhhhhh!

so please send me all your positive vibes so that i can find it...it's been
months since i've heard the live version of "joking," the first song on that
cd, and i'm going thru withdrawal.

i'll go look for it again...maybe it's with all those socks i can't find...;o)

later y'all...

joni :o)

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 10:39:05 ast
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bonnie

>she is really so talented, i'm glad she has stuck it out.  can anybody
tell
>me if she is still married to gary chapman?  thanks y'all

yes she still is still married to him and they have three kids now. matt,
mollie (??) and sarah. been busy!!!


helen

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 20:53:18 -0400
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subject:      re: sots: new perspectives
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in a message dated 97-09-23 01:24:11 edt, verdi@imap2.asu.edu (benjamin
slavin) writes:

<<  i think that one of my biggest dreams for the girls is that they would
find a bridge between folk and alternative music >>

amen brother!  if they could just fit in a little more of those cross over
harmonies!

bonnie

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hey lori:

let me know if this is a 14-track cd sampler...if so...paying $40 is
much too much to pay.  i have a phone number for smogtown records as
advertised in goldmine collecting magazine i can forward on to you,
if you'd like.

let me know, okay?

lori (also)  :)
ljusko@netexp.net

> hey all
> i was searching the net and came across a full length ig cd called breaking
> curfews for sale.  is this a boot?  does anyone know the venue?  is it worth
> $40?
> thanks
> lori
>
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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 21:17:32 -0400
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subject:      amherst boot

this was an amazing show and i know a boot exists somewhere out there! i have
some boots to trade and i'm desperate to hear this show again!!!!! thanx all!

:) :) :)
-becky

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it would have been really easy to tape the cherokee show- if anyone did
so and could find it in their heart to make me a copy, i would be
eternally grateful. it was my first ig concert, y'know-
please respond privately. thanks!

tracy
th3307@wcu.edu

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 22:27:07 -0400
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hey folks..
a question to my web site i couldn't answer..i'm sure she'd appreciate any
help. hopefully i'll have a question/answer page done before too many
moons have gone by.
we are fortunate ones,
joe
http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones

p.s. please mail the information to her address:  conanlove@aol.com

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date: tue, 23 sep 1997 22:05:14 -0400 (edt)
from: conanlove@aol.com
to: fortunateones@moonbase.com
subject: indigo girls *red light cafe* tape (oh please!)
resent-date: tue, 23 sep 97 22:04:45 est
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resent-to: fhamilto@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu

dear joe,

hi, my name is kate, and i was searching the web for indigo girls *stuff* -
actually, there is one specific thing i'm looking for - and i came across
your web page... very nicely done!  i wish i knew how to put one o' those
together.  maybe someday i'll learn.  anyway, i was looking through the list
of what you have, and i didn't find what i was looking for, but i figured i
should email you anyway just to see if you have any information or can help
me out in any way.  i'm looking for a tape called *red light cafe* which i
think might have been put out by rainy day records, though i'm not sure about
that... it might not have ever been officially released by any company.  the
date of the concert is february 25, 1996, i believe, and there are
performances by the girls, as well as cooper seay and michelle malone.  it's
a wonderful tape, and i had a copy of it until just a few days ago, when a
friend of mine unwittingly taped over it.  but it's really great, and i
really want another copy of it!  i don't know if you can help me out, but i
thought it couldn't hurt to write to you and ask you about it.  so, anything
you can tell me about it will be much appreciated!  thanks so much!  :)

love and hugs, kate*

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 22:36:33 -0400
reply-to:     joe hamilton <hamilton@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
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from:         joe hamilton <hamilton@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu>
subject:      cd list - all kinds for sale - alternative, pop, acoustic,
              industrial, etc - nothing over $7! (fwd)
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this guy has dar williams' honesty room for $5 plus postage if anyone
needs it.  mail to him not me! :)
we are fortunate ones,
joe
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---------- forwarded message ----------
date: 21 sep 97 15:02:36 gmt
from: bobafett@dol.net
subject: cd list - all kinds for sale - alternative, pop, acoustic, industrial, etc - nothing over $7!

hi there!
welcome to my list! me & my girlfriend are trying to get a new couch,
so please help us out and buy buy buy!
***oh, there is one (and only one) exception to the $7 rule in the
subject line...
--------------------------------------------------------
shipping is $2 for the 1st cd, .50 each additional...
ss = still sealed       p = promo
--------------------------------------------------------

babes in toyland - nemesisters - $7     p (free "sweet '69" 1 trk promo)

bad brains - god of love - $6   p

big black nun - i love my cousin... - $3

the black dog - spanners - $4   p

the boredoms - chocolate synthesizer - $4       p

chapterhouse - blood music - 2cd - $7   ss, p (great album!)

drown - transparent - $3 - 2 trk p single w/"embrace" (nice package!)

the family cat - wonderful excuse - $2 - 1 trk p single

fretblanket - song in b - $3 - 4 trk p single

half way home - s/t - $3        p

kitchens of distinction - now... goodbye - $3 - 1 trk p single

marilyn manson - lunchbox ep - $6       ss

mary beats jane - s/t - $4      p

sordid humor - light music... - $5 (has duritz from c crows)   p

dar williams - the honesty room - $5    p


various artists cds ------------------------------------

demon knight sndtrk - megadeth, pantera, etc - $6       ss

slayer/biohazard/machinehead - the tour '95 - $6 - 9 trks       ss, p

higher learning sndtrk - tori, ice cube, liz phair - $6 ss, p

***
waxtrax black box sampler - mlwttkk, klf, 1000 homo djs, etc - $15      p

no prima donna, songs of v morrison - liam neeson, costello, etc - $3   p

..thanks for looking! e-mail me to reserve!

james

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 22:00:41 -0500
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      my list shirt idea

geez, guys!

imagine how much my heart sank when deb reiser
dropped the bomb on the list shirt idea.  after all
the nice responses i got to my post and a ton
of support, i was so psyched to go ahead and have
the shirt made.  thanks to lisa dupre for having faith in
my artistic abilities.....yes, it would have been excellent,
because this is one thing i'd put my whole heart into.
now, after reading deb's post, i'll either take action or
crawl back into my shell.  i haven't decided yet.
but.....geez, deb, first you turn me
down when i propose to you, then you are so hard on
my idea.....yeah, i know, you are just stating the facts.
thanks.  (can i help you are happily in a relationship?  :)
oh, i mean, can i help that russell carter is being a
hard-ass?)

for all the shit the fan club has given me....no response
to my phone calls, mail, e-mail, etc....late shipments
of stuff i order, long after my check is cashed......no
word from them on anything (just what kind of fan
club are they????)....i am so damn tempted to say (er,
excuse me.....) "f__k you".  sue me.  i'd make that
shirt out of love and appreciation for ig and the list.....
it would further both them and their fans, not to mention
russell himself.  i'd make no money on that shirt.  it
would be a not-for-profit project.  and hey, i'd love
for russell to come and tell me to my face in a lawerly
way "blah blah blah blah stop selling those shirts".  it
would make my day.  i'd actually get some response
from his wonderful business.  yep, i am so tempted.

besides this, what other options do we have?  how
in the world can we make an ig list t-shirt that means
anything without mentioning "indigo girls"???  i can
see not doing a lyric, but come on!   heck, i bought
a cool tye-dye shirt off an old guy trying to make some
sort of living outside of the fraze venue back in june
(for only $10).  it was sooooooo unauthorized.  had ig all over it....
russell would've had a shit-fit.  i bought it and that's
that.  i buy official ig shirts too....i  bought every one i've
seen at the concerts.  and i paid $25 each for them...
someone should sue russell for this crime of overcharging
loyal fans.  so i say, hmmm, whatever, deb.  if people still want me
to go with this idea, i'll try to.  otherwise, i'll make one
for myself and be happy.  they've got those iron-on
things now where you can make designs on your computer
and print them out to iron on your shirt.  (thanks for showing
me your great work, twink and barb!)   i can settle for this if
the list wants to lay low and not rock the boat.

suggestions anyone?  deb, maybe you can suggest the
best way to make such a shirt "official" and "legal".  i'd
appreciate it very much to hear your suggestions.

lisa

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date:         tue, 23 sep 1997 23:00:36 -0400
reply-to:     kristina d vaskys <cheesehed@juno.com>
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subject:      re: i need your help!

joni wrote:
><breathing>
>
>ok, i've tried to deal long enough, but the time has come for me to
>ask for
>everyone's positive thoughts....
>
>i can't find the first cd to my 1200 curfews set!
>
>ok, i've said it...i think i loaned it to a friend of mine, but she
swears
>she doesn't have it anymore and i've looked in every jewel case i
>own.....where could it be?   ahhhhhhhhhhh!

you know what's going on here......it's hiding from you! that cd is just
so darn sick and tired of being spun around in your cd player ('cause you
play it a lot, and spinning around like that for that long and that often
makes it very dizzy :o) ). so it just said, "hey, maybe if i hide from
joni, she won't stick me in her cd player anymore!!" well, it's plan is
working so far--you haven't found it yet, you're not sticking it in your
cd player.....but what it doesn't know is that when you do find it
(which, of course, will happen very soon), then to make up for not
playing it for so long, you play it twice as much, so it's plan ends up
backfiring. so the moral to the story is, the cd learns it's lesson, and
not only plays every single track for you as many times as you want, but
it never runs away from you again. :o)

hope y'all enjoyed my story and don't think i'm completely looney.....and
good luck finding the cd, joni! (i think i've contributed my share of
positive vibes. that should help at least a little bit. :o) )

kristina :o)

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hey everyone-

i am not trying to flame, be a butthead, or whatever else people are going
to say, but i came across a post as i was catching up on my digests which
bugged me, and i need to say this....

someone posted-

"what about amy's bad year?  did i miss something?"

to which someone responded

"well, amy broke up with...."


um, isn't it against list policy to chat about personal lives?  i was just
checking, because last i knew, who the girls were involved with is not our
business......

sorry, just had to get it off my chest....

back under my pebble-
karrie

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hello everyone!
        i was just wondering if anyone posted about the columbia show
today.  i was there and i have a set list, but i won't post if someone
else beat me to it.  my school's entire computer system totally shut down
today, and i didn't receive any mail.  i will say that the show was
incredible (big surprise, right?)  so, can i get a clue?  has someone else
posted?  let me know...
        thanks, emily

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okay, thanks to all of you who posted about amy grant, but i still do not
like her.  maybe it is me, but i never really liked any of her music.  but
then when i heard about the homophobic comment she made, i grew angry.  i
don't want to start a debate over christianity and homosexuality because i
think that topic is way overdone and it just leads to bitterness, but why
does she think she has the right to judge people besed on their sexual
orientation.  and the fact that she made that comment publicly makes me
even angrier.  that is one thing she and the ig's will never have in
common.
now that i got that off my chest. . .
:-) karen

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1.  could the person who helps becky out with the amherst boot help me out
too? i was at the show, and at first i thought my memory was good enough,
but now i'd like something a little more concrete.

2.  on the subject of most and least favorites:  mine favorites change
periodically.  i usually like the ones best that seem to have meaning for my
life right then (and since my life is so unstable, my favorites change
frequently...he, he, he).  i really don't have any least favorites.  i used
too, but slowly i've grown to like those too (some of my old least favorites
are even my favorites now).  i'm not sure that this makes sense, so i'm
going to stop.

good night (i'm not really going to bed yet, but i wish i was),
jennifer

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reply-to:     finlayson a carol <gynergy1@juno.com>
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from:         finlayson a carol <gynergy1@juno.com>
subject:      personal discussions

<<<<someone posted-

"what about amy's bad year?  did i miss something?"
to which someone responded
"well, amy broke up with...."
um, isn't it against list policy to chat about personal lives?  i was
just
checking, because last i knew, who the girls were involved with is not
our
business......>>>>>

granted the girls personal lives are none of our business and not open
for discussion here
but cooper was named by amy in the people article as her longtime partner
and amy has mentioned in recent articles that a longtime relationship had
come to an end so it doesn't seem that we're crossing any boundries by
simply restating public facts
gynergy
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as for the t-shirt problem, you should just go ahead and have them made.
just claim ignorance.  look all innocent when russ calls you up angry.  i
remember a few years back, these two kids made their own sonic youth
t-shirts and wore them to the concert, where someone either in the band or
associated with the band took a picture of them.  thus ensued a widespread
search to find the anonymous t-wearers, not because they used sonic
youth's name without permission, but because the shirts were so darn cool
(they had iron-on transfers of washing machines on them) that thurston and
kim wanted their permission to use the photo on the cover of their
then-upcoming cd.  the photo did make the cover.  the album was even named
"washing machine," in homage to these two fans.  i guess the point of this
is that some bands are cool about stuff like that.  you've got to judge
for yourself:  do you think amy and emily would get angry, or demand
royalties, or haul the whole group of us to court?  and even if russell
gor angry, don't our kind-hearted, fan-loving girls have a say in the
matter?  wouldn't they tell him to loosen up or something?  just do it,
girl.
jill

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just wanted to give you all some info on that geneva show:  the college
where the show is being held is a pretty small school, no more than 2000
students, all (or most) of them little prepsters who may not care for the
indigo girls. and it's also located in a remote area. what this boils down
to is:  very little demand/competition/security for
tickets/seats/boots/photos. i hope. i'm
going to call the school--maybe on thurs.? and find out how and when
they're selling tickets, and i'll let you all know.  it should be a cozy
little show. yaay.  i'd definitely skip my monday classes for this.
and i'm planning on putzing around on the net and emailing some suny
students that i don't know from adam, begging them to get tickets for us.
keep you posted,
jill

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hi there
yep...finally i have got myself semi-sorted enough to start the
berkeley boot uk branch.
all those interested email me privately
see ya
love helene

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i say go ahead and make the shirts and the hell with russell carter, aka
the colonel.
he will still make his percentage from the concerts we all go to and the
cd's we buy, not to mention the "official" shirts, hats, stickers ect.  in
fact a "list shirt" would do him more good than harm, ie people asking the
shirt wearer about the indigo girls and/or the list thus providing some
nice free advertisement for "his" band.  and if his lawyer instincts kick
in and he files a suite i'm sure a & e will throw a bucket of ice water on
him and tell him to cool it.

so go for it lisa and let me know how i can get one.


jim gates

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hey everyone,

jim gates said (as did someone else earlier on, while i was
in my flu-induced daze):
>i say go ahead and make the shirts and the hell with russell carter

sorry, but no.  russell carter is the indigo girls' manager.
that's a fact.  therefore, we should respect his decisions,
even if we don't agree with them.  sure, he makes his
decisions from a business point of view but the fact is that
the lyrics are protected by copyright.  if russell carter,
speaking for amy and emily, doesn't want to waive the
copyright and says no go on the use of lyrics, then it's no
go on the use of lyrics.  you can't just ignore his wishes
just because you feel like it.  if amy or emily explicitly
came out and said that we couldn't use their lyrics on a
shirt, would we respect that?  sure, we would.  well, by the
same token we should respect russell's wishes.  he does speak
for amy and emily after all.

deb reiser already got into a bit of trouble with ig
management over the use of ig lyrics on last year's list
shirt (which was a great shirt and yes, it was a pity we
couldn't get official sanction for using the lyrics).  and
unfortunately, the fact is that a&e do have mixed feelings
about this list.  let's not do anything to help them make up
their minds on the bad side of the scale, please.

happy happy all,
sherlyn
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  don't take a seat, don't stand aside this time;
  don't assume anything, but go go go..."   - amy ray

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why not make a shirt that does not  use their lyrics?
i think that shirts that leave something to be imagined are cool.
can we still use the list internet email address?

with all the artistic ability here on the list, how about someone make a
drawing or painting of ig.   making this the graphic on a shirt would be
much cooler than lyrics.

i also still really like the theme from the list button that was made
several years ago.
"closer  to fine by being online"... i think that this is a cool saying,
but i don't know if it crosses the line for rc?

i do agree with sherlyn, that we should not piss rc off anymore.   i
think that a & e already have sensitive feelings about this list.  don't
give them any more reason to dislike us.  otherwise i would too agree to
go ahead and make the shirt.  i still think you should make a list shirt,
lets just think over what should be on the shirt.

how about making up several designs and then have a vote?  on the eric
clapton list this is how they decided which design to use.


---derek

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 05:47:39 -0700
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sorry, i should have put in my post that i was refering to the use of the
"indigo girls" name and not their lyrics.  i understand that the lyrics and
music is copyrighted by emi virgin songs, inc. and i do respect their
decisions on how the lyrics and music are used by others.  i just can not
understand why russell carter would have a problem with a group of fans
wanting to make a shirt stating their shared love for the indigo girls.  if
the indigo girls name is copyrighted then why don't i see a trademark or
registration symbol after the name on such things as songbooks, hats, cd
covers, bumper stickers ect, and if the name is copyrighted than wouldn't
we all be in violation whenever we use "indigo girls" in our post to this
list or with our personal indigo girls web pages or whatever else we make
public?

flame me if you want to but i still think that a "list shirt" using the
"indigo girls" name would be bennificial to the girls,russell carter and to
the members of this list who wish to display their love for the indigo
girls (tm ?) in public.

jim gates

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>
> hey everyone,
>
> jim gates said (as did someone else earlier on, while i was
> in my flu-induced daze):
> >i say go ahead and make the shirts and the hell with russell carter
>
> sorry, but no.  russell carter is the indigo girls' manager.
> that's a fact.  therefore, we should respect his decisions,
> even if we don't agree with them.  sure, he makes his
> decisions from a business point of view but the fact is that
> the lyrics are protected by copyright.  if russell carter,
> speaking for amy and emily, doesn't want to waive the
> copyright and says no go on the use of lyrics, then it's no
> go on the use of lyrics.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 09:21:35 -0400
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subject:      re: lost cd update  ;o)
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at 11:00 pm -0400 9/23/97, kristina d vaskys wrote:
>you know what's going on here......it's hiding from you! that cd is just
>so darn sick and tired of being spun around in your cd player ('cause you
>play it a lot, and spinning around like that for that long and that often
>makes it very dizzy :o) ).....

i think you're right kristina...and it seems like i'm not the only
one...angie lost the same cd...maybe they're off together somewhere...

well, i again looked thru every jewel case (found rop in 4.5 case), but i
didn't pay real close attention to whether there were 2 cd's in any of the
cases, as (mary) catherine--catholic no-more :) suggested...(tho i did look
under ani difranco's "living in clip"...never know what's under that grrrrl
from day to day...).i'll have to give them a third go 'round...i looked in
my cd player in the house, in the car, in the cd case in the car, in the cd
player in my computer per liz's suggestion (oh look! there's 4.5!  that's
where you've been hiding!), said my prayer to st. anthony, the patron saint
of all lost things (i think he's hoarding lots of stuff just waiting for
someone to wish it back...when they don't, then "chi ching!"  profit!  ;o)
i talked with the friend i thought still has it, but she still says she
doesn't have it...we looked thru her cd cases and didn't find it, but she
said i'm welcome to go thru all her jewel cases (she has like 1000
cds...ugh..)

anyway, that's the update...still can't find it...thanks to all who've sent
positive thoughts my way....i'm sure it'll turn up....someday.....

have a good one!


joni  :o)

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jill certo <jillian.certo@oberlin.edu> wrote:
>as for the t-shirt problem, you should just go ahead and have them made.
>just claim ignorance.  look all innocent when russ calls you up angry.

i would bet that ig are at least 90% of rcam's business. if they don't have
a representative monitoring this list, i'd be amazed.

=-=-=-=

sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au> wrote:
>if russell carter,
>speaking for amy and emily, doesn't want to waive the
>copyright and says no go on the use of lyrics, then it's no
>go on the use of lyrics.  you can't just ignore his wishes
>just because you feel like it.

agreed.  if rcam has explicitly objected to lyrics on previous t-shirts,
then that's that.  try to come up with something using song titles, as deb
reiser suggested.  come up with something the list and list owners wouldn't
object to having the list address on (as per the guidelines in the mailing
list faq linked to each message from the list).  i think it would be cute to
use "get out the map" and have a map of us tour dates, but that might
irritate our neglected midwest list members, as well as fans in other
countries!

and lisa, don't take personal offense.  it seemed to me that deb was
offering you advice based on her experience last year; she even ended with
"hope that helps some."  if you read her message again, i think you'll see
that she wasn't criticizing, she was advising, and you should be
appreciative rather than offended.

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paper tiger <indigo000@hotmail.com> wrote:
>is anyone out there as big a suzanne vega fan as i am?  i was surprised
>to see that only three people listed her as a favorite on sherlyn's
>survey?

i was one of them!  i've mentioned on this list previously that vega and ig
are among a handful of artists that just seem to get better and better with
each album, they've never disappointed me.  if you haven't heard anything
since the first 2 cds, well... imagine if you only knew the first 2 ig cds!
give sv's latest (nine objects of desire) a spin, it's fantastic.  i was
really disappointed that it didn't do better.

>does anyone know if she's touring, or what she's doing now?

there's a great sv page at http://www.vega.net/vega/ which includes info on
how to subscribe to undertow, the sv mailing list.  it's an excellent,
low-volume list that rarely strays off-topic.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 09:48:56 -0400
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>> um, isn't it against list policy to chat about personal lives?  i was
>>  just
>>  checking, because last i knew, who the girls were involved with is not
>> our business......>>>>>
>
> granted the girls personal lives are none of our business and not open
> for discussion here
> but [xxxx] was named by amy in the people article as her longtime partner
> and amy has mentioned in recent articles that a longtime relationship had
> come to an end so it doesn't seem that we're crossing any boundries by
> simply restating public facts

yes, that people article does exist; however, that's about the only
place i've seen this name printed.  as well, when amy has mentioned
her recent parting of the ways with said partner (and she has done
that quite a bit) i have _never_ seen her use a name associated with
that person.  next, i look at the body of amy's songwritting, which
tells me she'd prefer just about as much privacy as she can get.
lastly, what does the story gain or lose by replacing the proper noun
with "partner," "girlfriend," or other generic term? shouldn't one err
to the side of caution here?

therefore, although the name been made public once, imho i don't
think it should be used on the list.  after all, even if you can make
that case that amy is a public figure, ____ is not.  even less so after
the parting of the ways.

                        thinking out loud,

                                chris

p.s.  regarding the specific name -- i can think of at least two people
        in the "ig circle of friends" with that first name.  it would
        be a major faux pas if someone assumed the wrong last name.....


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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 09:53:16 edt
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excuse my ignorance on this one but what does a manager do?  who else does
carter manage - the girls have been with him for a long time - right.  he must
do something right????

and if anyone was in boone - can you tell me who the guy was lurking behind
jerrys drum set (tall, medium build, thinning hair).  he was so distracting.
just standing there behind jerry during the entire (ultra cool and oh so
fantastic) concert.    just wondering if anyone else saw him - he was kinda
hard to miss.

thanks - b

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 10:14:50 -0400
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subject:      foolish mistake..

hi all...

  as a newbie to this list who mostly lurks and an old-time indigo fan that
never was much into getting boots of shows until now, i guess i had target
written all over the place.

  a few months ago i had gotten an e-mail with a list of boots and prices for
them.  being shy and not liking to ask people to do something for nothing
(and not knowing the evils of paying for boots at the time) i had responded
to the mail and "bought" over 70.00 worth of boots, sending a check that was
promptly cashed by the person..  as i'm sure you've all guessed by now, i
never got the stuff i ordered.

  i've always been a bit trusting, especially when it comes to fans of the
igs-- they would never do anything to hurt another fan! sheesh! <g>

after being lectured by a friend from this list and given a lesson in how to
behave and what can and can't be done, i've decided to recover from this
horrible accident and do things the correct way. <g>

  if anyone would like to trade concert boots for blank tapes with an
inexperienced dolt trying really hard to start a collection, please let me
know.  i know i've missed most of the hub-bub and tape trees from this years
tours cos i was too busy sulking around and being an idiot.

  sides wanting some general stuff, my specific wish list consists of the msg
show in june.. :)

  thanks in advance~

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 11:08:14 -0400
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i'm hoping to grab a set list for the april 1994 unh show...granted 99.9% i
already know...specifically i'm looking for the title of the last track...it
was done acapella by a&e and was a truly moving song... but i have no idea
what song it was *sigh*

please email me privately if you know :)

thanks!

marilyn
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big brother/sister is watching?!
amy

on wed, 24 sep 1997, deb wrote:

>  jill certo <jillian.certo@oberlin.edu> wrote:
> >as for the t-shirt problem, you should just go ahead and have them made.
> >just claim ignorance.  look all innocent when russ calls you up angry.
>
> i would bet that ig are at least 90% of rcam's business. if they don't have
> a representative monitoring this list, i'd be amazed.
>
> =-=-=-=
>
> sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au> wrote:
> >if russell carter,
> >speaking for amy and emily, doesn't want to waive the
> >copyright and says no go on the use of lyrics, then it's no
> >go on the use of lyrics.  you can't just ignore his wishes
> >just because you feel like it.
>
> agreed.  if rcam has explicitly objected to lyrics on previous t-shirts,
> then that's that.  try to come up with something using song titles, as deb
> reiser suggested.  come up with something the list and list owners wouldn't
> object to having the list address on (as per the guidelines in the mailing
> list faq linked to each message from the list).  i think it would be cute to
> use "get out the map" and have a map of us tour dates, but that might
> irritate our neglected midwest list members, as well as fans in other
> countries!
>
> and lisa, don't take personal offense.  it seemed to me that deb was
> offering you advice based on her experience last year; she even ended with
> "hope that helps some."  if you read her message again, i think you'll see
> that she wasn't criticizing, she was advising, and you should be
> appreciative rather than offended.
>
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date:         mon, 22 sep 1997 19:39:46 -0400
reply-to:     hipichic@atlanta.com
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ursula b wood wrote:
>
> i heard this wild rumor that rdr was no longer in atlanta. can anybody
> confirm or deny this rumor? i'm gonna be in atlanta in october and wanted
> to hit rdr for some cds. thanks for any information anybody can provide
the rumour is true.  they have relocated to key west, fl.

marsha

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 11:38:48 -0400
reply-to:     amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
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ok, this is my second and last plea to the list, and my apologies to
anyone it pisses off, but it's for a very good cause and i know a lot
of you would probably like to help.  aids walk atlanta will take place in,
gasp, atlanta, on the 19th of october.  i will be there.  so here's where
y'all come in:  if you'd like to sponsor me, or if you'd like to
participate yourself,*please* email me privately at stu6361@westga.edu
for more info.

thanks, y'all!
hope to hear from many of you soon (hint, hint) ;)

amy c.
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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 11:45:38 -0400
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subject:      columbia concert (long)

hey list,

the concert in columbia sunday night was fabulous! here's the set list
(thanks to sulli, i have one, but it's actually wrong :-) !!! :

soy
gotm
thin line (horrible screeching sound during this song - they stopped, found
the problem, em said, "what the hell was that?", restarted the song.  after
the concert, sulli said she thought it was an old amp of amy's!)
3 hits ( i didn't know that amy plays a 12 string, but she did on this song)
love will come to you (sound out again on this one - amy's starting to look a
little po'ed)
sys w/ulali (amy inadvertantly unplugged her guitar on this one.  after the
song, she just had to acknowledge that this was a very weird night and she
laughed and just seemed to go with it!)
it's alright
chickenman w/buzzard verse (serious head action from amy during harmonica
solo.  that guy is the tour manager?!?!  what a cool job.)
hey kind friend
---------------------------------->
danielle howle came out and did two songs, oneof which was apparently a new
one that amy hadn't heard yet.  danielle is from columbia and graduated from
the high school i graduated from and where my mother works.  in fact my
mother said the next morning, oh yeah, i know danielle!)
<----------------------------------
least complicated
tried to be true
leeds w/ulali
redemption songs (very beautiful)
-----collection-----
sbaa w/soc sounded like a poem - does anybody know what this was?  i now know
what you guys mean when you say "it rawked!!"  this one truly did!
galileo
blood quantum w/ulali (set list said bury my heart!)
closer to fine

amy smiled all night (her nose really does crinkle, doesn't it? :-) and they
both looked relaxed and happy even with all the weird sound stuff.  of
course, one of the best parts of the whole night was hanging out with you
list guys (mel, jen, joe, cheri, lisa, et. al.)  and if you are looking for
goddesses, sulli gets my vote.  very cool lady, and she really seems to like
hanging out with fans.

dee dee sanchez gave a very passionate, inspiring speech about dumping on
shoshone lands and the slide show was also quite inspiring.  all in all, it
was quite worth a flight from dallas with two wiggly, restless toddlers!

peace,

pam

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 11:50:48 -0400
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hi all --

i was wondering if someone could please either post or repost the usa today
article with amy.  i'd appreciate it.

thanks
amy c

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 10:43:25 -0500
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i agree about lyrics being copy-righted etc. and that we shouldn't use them without permission. i even agree with the spirit of the statement "rc speaks for the ig".

but i have to say, i sure hope that that is not literally true!

that office is so rude and unhelpful that it is despite them that one's fan-dom flourishes unchecked, not because of them.  not only are they of no help, they are downright rude and act as if they are the big stars here. try to talk to someone in there even if you are just seeking information and you will see what i mean.. every thing i have read/heard people say about the list on here just adds fuel to my fire.

i hope they do have a representative of that office on this list. and i hope that rep does read these letters we write and that it makes a difference.

sorry to be pissy about it, but i have little patience with people who act rude for no apparent reason other than that they are associated with someone famous.

urvashi (who gets to see jane sibbery and maybe even patty larkin, chris wheeler, janis ian, and ani di franco in texas!! yeah!)

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 12:28:23 -0400
reply-to:     elizabeth skipper <skippeec@muohio.edu>
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pam wrote:
>sbaa w/soc

what does sbaa stand for?

elizabeth

visit my web page: http://miavx1.muohio.edu/~skippeec,
but don't make fun of it
~~~
"thank you for the wisdom the knowing from inside
and thank you for the comfort only a woman can provide
no man can ever know the dance between two women
love can't be stronger than between two strong women
we can dance... my lady... may i have this dance?
thank you for the strength without a need for power"
-jewel

"i've crossed the last line
from where i can't return
where every step i took in faith
betrayed me
and led me from my home"
-sarah mclachlan

"to be nobody - but myself - in a world which is doing its best,
night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the
hardest battle which any human can fight, and never stop fighting."
-e.e. cummings

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 12:41:09 -0400
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why not draw a group of girls and color them in indigo?  draw a crayola -
um excuse me, copyright infringement, crahola crayon that says "indigo" on
it, and draw it next to the group of girls (several girls, so as not to
confuse them with the *other* two person indigo girls group of pop-folk
fame)as if it just colored them in.   then, underneath, write "an example of
indigo girls."  draw a circle of puppies around them and label the "guards
(like watchdogs)" explain that they're having a reunion. a couple in the
corner is arguing "what do you look for in a man?" the other says "his
language.  but sometimes his kiss." several indigo colored girls are using
hammers and nails to help out this girl who seems to have the weight of
the world in her hands.  several girls are wearing hand me downs.  one
girl says that her favorite historical figure is galileo; another says
virginia woolf.another says the prince of darkness (she's kinda evil; a
fugitive, a defector of a kind...) don't forget to explain that you had to
use crayons, the least complicated solution, because you couldn't find
anything closer to fine.
        i see no copyright infringement, or indigo girls references.
;)
mc

ps i'd have a real serious conversation with deb before attempting to make
a t-shirt.  keep in mind that there are one thousand people on this
list.do you want to make shirts for all of them?  do you want to deal with
their money orders and their self addressed envelopes? do you want to lose
an entire month of your life?

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 12:46:13 -0400
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at 12:28 pm 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>pam wrote:
>>sbaa w/soc
>
>what does sbaa stand for?

scooter boys and argentinians (with stream  of consciousness).  not sure why
it isn't just scooter boys...anyone know?

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 12:54:40 -0700
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through a strange twist of fate, i have one third row center (as in ten
feet from the girls) ticket to the tampa show this coming friday night.
i am offereing it for what my friend paid for it (including all
ticketbastard charges) - $34. i don't know what criteria i am using to
decide who will get the ticket. i can tell you this though: it will not
necessarily go to the first person who e-mails me. i'm on digest and
sometimes i get pissed when offers get closed before i even hear of
them. begging will curry no favor with me either: i'm insensitive to it.
if you want it, e-mail me before noon tomorrow (that will give all you
digest-ers plenty of time) and convince me why i should sit next to you
for two hours enjoying my favorite band.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 17:33:40 +0000
reply-to:     bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk
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from:         john bond <bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk>
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subject:      re: list shirt idea

thinking about the idea of the map - why not try to find out where
all the members of the list come from, put dots (or something) on a
map of the world in the countries where list members come from, and
stick that on the t-shirt, with "get out the map" somewhere on the
t-shirt?

john.

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so if you want to be someone, it's best to be yourself"

lena fiagbe

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 12:50:06 -0400
reply-to:     lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu>
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subject:      re: russel carter speaks for the ig?

>that office is so rude and unhelpful that it is despite them that one's fan-dom>flourishes unchecked, not because of them.  not only are they of no help, they >are downright rude and act as if they are the big stars here. try to talk to
>someone in there even if you are just seeking information and you will see what>i mean.. every thing i have read/heard people say about the list on here just
>adds fuel to my fire.

>i hope they do have a representative of that office on this list. and i hope
>that rep does read these letters we write and that it makes a difference.

my general impression over the last six or seven years of being an ig fan is
1.  that the people in russell carter's office conduct themselves with such a
total lack of professionalism that it would be grounds for dismissal at
any normal place of business;
2.  that neither russell carter nor ig are remotely interested in whether or
not fans are treated by their staff with the common courtesy one might
expect as a matter of course much less as a valued consumer of the product of
which the office is a purveyor;
3.  that when it comes to the whole ig organization (including ig), as a
fan you a pretty much just a nameless and faceless nuisance except to
the extent that you buy the albums, buy the tickets to their concerts,
sign their political action cards, and generally serve in your role as part
of the indigo borg.

that's entertainment...

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 12:58:10 -0400
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hkf's,

ciatf
thtlwtlc
ihaf
mlatmh,sob,sol
iwtliahc
epiam

.....hehehe
anyone answer the questions to the erroneous acronym riddle?????
.....hehehe
mkc
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subject:      re: t-shirts

hi y'all

i realize we may have beat this t-shirt discussion into the ground,
but how's this for an idea.  we all know that lisa is not in this for
the money and i'd bet that the amount of profit that might be
generated by this little project would not mean anything either the
girls or russell carter.  so what if we charge an extra couple of
dollars above the cost of the shirts (say 5$ each) and send the extra
cash generated either to the girls or one of their favorite
charities, like honor the earth or smyal.  we could still avoid the
use of song lyrics but put somewhere on there that the shirts we made
with permission and proceeds went to the charity.  what does everyone
think?

mark

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 12:06:35 -0500
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lauree shampine wrote:

> my general impression over the last six or seven years of being an ig
> fan is
> 1.  that the people in russell carter's office conduct themselves with
> such a
> total lack of professionalism that it would be grounds for dismissal
> ...(blah,blah,blah)...you buy the albums, buy the tickets to their
> concerts,

> sign their political action cards, and generally serve in your role as
> part
> of the indigo borg.
>
> that's entertainment...

i have to ring in with my concurrence on every thing lauree said here.
that's not to say that the music ig creates doesn't create peace, love
and everything indigo for all of us.  but that is something that comes
from within us.  the girls music facilitates those warm fuzzies for us
and that's why we love them.  but never think that the ig's sharing
their music with us is very much more than business.  (imho).

flame on!
scott


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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 10:18:40 -0700
reply-to:     "c. chow" <egg@u.washington.edu>
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hey everyone!

shawn mullins is on the road again.  here are some dates in case you're
interested in seeing him.  if you've never seen him before and can, i'd
definitely suggest catching his show.  as some of you already know, shawn
is an incredibly dynamic performer from atlanta.  he was in jcs as one of
the priests and he started his own record label in order to stay
independent.  one publication called him a male ani difranco.  :) he is a
great lyricist and very talented guitarist and singer.  he's opened for
the likes of ig, joan baez, and cracker.  see him if you can.  support
the independents!  ;)

if you have any questions regarding shawn and his music or any of these
listings, please contact me.

enjoy!

date    location                                contact

9/24    harvey's on the mall, kalamazoo, mi     616-349-8787
9/25    cafe venezia, east lansing, mi          517-332-2533  9pm
9/26    iowa city, ia   tba
9/27    java joe's, des moines, ia              515-288-5282  9:30pm
9/28    eclipse, manhattan, ks                  913-539-2244  7pm

10/1    strings, berkeley, ca, w/caren armstrong
10/2    aroma roasters, santa rosa, ca          707-576-7765
10/3    morgan's tea and coffee, monterray, ca  408-373-5601  8 pm
10/4,5,6,7  san francisco, ca  tba
10/8    portland, or, tba
10/9    bohemian cafe, seattle, wa              206-447-1514  7 pm
10/10   cookie cafe, bellingham, wa             360-671-8550
10/11   birkebeiner brew pub, spokane, wa       509-458-0854  9 pm
10/14   dornin's moose, wyoming                 307-733-2415  8 pm
10/15   medicine bow, cheyenne, wy              307-778-2739  6 pm
10/16   the mission, laramie, wy                307-755-1900  8 pm
10/17   acoustic coffehouse, nederland, co      303-258-3209
10/18   cafe oasis, santa fe, nm                505-983-9599  8:30 pm
10/20-22 texas, tba
10/23   m's fine and mellow cafe, baton rouge, la 504-344-5368 8 pm
10/24   birmingham, al  tba
10/25   eddie's attic, decatur, ga              404-377-4976 7&9:30 pm
10/29   the loft, columbus, ga                  706-596-8141

all shows are subject to changes, so please call ahead to verify show
times.

you can also call smg records at 1-800-544-2886 to get updates.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 13:12:49 -0400
reply-to:     karyn kerris <kkerris@mercury.niaid.nih.gov>
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from:         karyn kerris <kkerris@mercury.niaid.nih.gov>
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good idea mark..... i say let's go for it!!!!  let's bring this t-shirt
idea to a close.
just my $.02.  thanks.

karyn
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        from:   mark sloan[smtp:s-msloan@bss1.umd.edu]
        sent:   wednesday, september 24, 1997 1:00 pm
        to:     indigo-girls@netspace.org
        subject:        re: t-shirts

        hi y'all

        i realize we may have beat this t-shirt discussion into the
ground,
        but how's this for an idea.  we all know that lisa is not in
this for
        the money and i'd bet that the amount of profit that might be
        generated by this little project would not mean anything either
the
        girls or russell carter.  so what if we charge an extra couple
of
        dollars above the cost of the shirts (say 5$ each) and send the
extra
        cash generated either to the girls or one of their favorite
        charities, like honor the earth or smyal.  we could still avoid
the
        use of song lyrics but put somewhere on there that the shirts we
made
        with permission and proceeds went to the charity.  what does
everyone
        think?

        mark

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reply-to:     "tracy - now b.a. !!!!!" <clumber@bigfoot.com>
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        i am not under any delusion that my opinion on this matters a whit, but it
seems to be that the situation would be greatly resolved if the management
and the "fan club" were separated into individual entities.  i mean, let's
face it - for at least as long as i have been on the fan club's mail list
(going back to mid- nis / rop) it has been less a true "fan club" and more
a catalog with phenomenally poor service and irregular correspondence.  are
there many other bands with the track record of ig who's management is also
the primary contact for fan club information?  russell carter management's
main job is, naturally, management.  perhaps they should focus on that and
let a separate "official" fan club form.
        snowball's chance i am sure, but we can dream.  i mean, honestly, in the
end they can do exactly as much as the market will bear and a lot of us
(myself included) simply love the music and the message enough to endure
the crap.

tracy
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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 13:26:15 -0500
reply-to:     "kim b." <flamingjune@juno.com>
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subject:      list shirt

can someone not just kindly ask russell or one of the girls for
permission to use lyrics or whatever? you know, just tell them what the
shirt is for, that no profit will be made and that it will not be
available to anyone not on the list, unless of course russell wants one
for himself.  maybe even let them see the design and approve it before
it's made.  well, it's just a thought.

--kim--


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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 14:02:21 edt
reply-to:     becky steele/ventana <becky_steele/ventana.itp@lgate.vmedia.com>
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>>3.  that when it comes to the whole ig organization (including ig), as a
fan you a pretty much just a nameless and faceless nuisance except to
the extent that you buy the albums, buy the tickets to their concerts,
sign their political action cards, and generally serve in your role as part
of the indigo borg.<<

ouch!!!  that hurt my feelings....


        shampine @ ll.mit.edu (lauree shampine)
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>that office is so rude and unhelpful that it is despite them that one's
fan-dom>flourishes unchecked, not because of them.  not only are they of no
help, they >are downright rude and act as if they are the big stars here. try
to talk to
>someone in there even if you are just seeking information and you will see
what>i mean.. every thing i have read/heard people say about the list on here
just
>adds fuel to my fire.

>i hope they do have a representative of that office on this list. and i hope
>that rep does read these letters we write and that it makes a difference.

my general impression over the last six or seven years of being an ig fan is
1.  that the people in russell carter's office conduct themselves with such a
total lack of professionalism that it would be grounds for dismissal at
any normal place of business;
2.  that neither russell carter nor ig are remotely interested in whether or
not fans are treated by their staff with the common courtesy one might
expect as a matter of course much less as a valued consumer of the product of
which the office is a purveyor;
3.  that when it comes to the whole ig organization (including ig), as a
fan you a pretty much just a nameless and faceless nuisance except to
the extent that you buy the albums, buy the tickets to their concerts,
sign their political action cards, and generally serve in your role as part
of the indigo borg.

that's entertainment...

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 14:17:49 -0600
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oh, come on! how can you see the twinkle in emily's eyes and the
inexhaustible grin on amy's face when they play and still say that it's
mostly just business to them? yeah, it's a living, but we all know that
money was the least of their reasons for playing together in the first
place. they're doing what they love, and they're lucky enough to get
paid for it-that's all.

having had no interaction with russell carter's office, i can't comment
on the things that have been said about it. but i do take issue with the
phrase (and i'm sorry i can't remember who i'm quoting) "the entire
organization (including ig)." maybe their management is rude,
unresponsive, and in it only for the money, but i have never seen any
evidence that this is true of the girls themselves.

tracy
th3307@wcu.edu

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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sayings, every way to show affection, how to dress to fit the
occasion... i wish we all waved.
-jane's addiction
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 14:43:13 -0500
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i love john's get out the map idea!  would that be legal?

:-) karen

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 14:33:19 -0400
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hello, all! =)
      i just wanted to say that i'm here and am going to be at the show
on thursday night... if anyone's going and wants to say hello, i'll be
the one with the long hair in the slackers shirt... i'm using my friend's
e-mail account to write this, but if you want to contact me personally,
she says it's okay to reply here.  i can't get my aol mail, so don't
write to me there! =)  i hope to see some of you... i always love to put
faces to e-mail addresses! =)  later, tater tots! =)  peace, love, and
butter biscuits, sarah

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 15:16:34 -0400
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from:         "chelle sunderland.  user." <sistagrove@aol.com>
subject:      re: i need your help!

>>>  i can't find the first cd to my 1200 curfews set!
the last time i could'nt find my disc two of the same, i tore my house and
car up looking for it. this was already my second purchase of "1200"... i was
a person possessed.  after giving up and deciding on something else ig, i
went to put in nis, and what do you think i found in the damned player? my so
had played disc two of "1200" while i was at work one day and never returned
it to it's case!  now when i come up with a missing disc, you know the first
place i'll look!! just sharing a funny lil faux pas!  alrighty, then.
                                  i now return you to your regular ig
station.
                                  chelle  {o}---:::

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 15:23:25 -0400
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while amy and emily may have started out with  the best intentions, it's
only human to become jaded and wary over time.  the novelty of "woo, these
people are paying to see _us_" wears off, and it becomes more of a job.
do you think they enjoy playing show after show day after day?  don't they
get hoarse?  tired?  headachy?  i'm not saying they don't, somewhere deep
down, genuinely enjoy what they do, but one does tend to get caught up in
the day to day muck and mire and  forget about the magic underneath.
someday (maybe one of those times when they look back and "have a good
laugh") they'll realize the magnitude of what they've done with their
lives and be astounded.  but they're not doing that right now; they've got
too many shows, too many fans, and too many miles ahead of them to pause
and reflect.  i'm trying not to let my extreme cynicism override my heart;
i'm just being realistic.  we tend to want to deify the indigo girls as
these supremely beautiful, superhuman goddesses.  and while that's
wonderful to say as long as you're not being entirely serious or just
getting caught up in the moment at a show, to honestly think that would
almost border on fanatical obsession.  they're trying very hard to
please us, but it's their job.  they've got to please us or else
they'll be out of their job.  they can't possibly view each and every
one of us as individual fans; how overwhelming.  they've got to see us
as just a great big mass of cheering, clapping humanity.  yes, emily's
eyes twinkle.  yes, amy's smile is huge.  but their onstage elation
may also just stem from the partnership between the two of them.  has
anyone ever been in a choir?  it's kinda like that.  we're very close
and have comaraderie on stage, not because we love every individual
member of our audience, but because we're onstage, performing
together, making this amazing music that we couldn't make without each
other.  maybe i'm losing you in this ramble, so i'll stop. just think
about it. and please don't flame me, i'll melt.
jill

on wed, 24 sep 1997, tracy wrote:

> oh, come on! how can you see the twinkle in emily's eyes and the
> inexhaustible grin on amy's face when they play and still say that it's
> mostly just business to them? yeah, it's a living, but we all know that
> money was the least of their reasons for playing together in the first
> place. they're doing what they love, and they're lucky enough to get
> paid for it-that's all.
>
> having had no interaction with russell carter's office, i can't comment
> on the things that have been said about it. but i do take issue with the
> phrase (and i'm sorry i can't remember who i'm quoting) "the entire
> organization (including ig)." maybe their management is rude,
> unresponsive, and in it only for the money, but i have never seen any
> evidence that this is true of the girls themselves.
>
> tracy
> th3307@wcu.edu
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> i wish i knew everyone's nickname, all their slang and all their
> sayings, every way to show affection, how to dress to fit the
> occasion... i wish we all waved.
> -jane's addiction
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 15:24:36 -0400
reply-to:     mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
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hi folks-

to all who have received 'that' map:

i'm sorry that the map url is just too darn long for it's own good - and
refuses to co-operate. so...

i'll be sending a new one out - to everyone who's already been sent a
previous incarnation - with only the following sites:

"map.2":
1-eddie's attic
2-emory u
3-flying biscuit
4-virginia-highlands
5-little 5 points
6-common pond
7-piedmont park

everyone who asks for the atlanta-ig map from now on will be sent
"map.2".

since some folks were interested in gay sites i'm going to make one &
send it to those who already specifically mentioned it in their e-mails
- if you didn't mention "gay"-anything - i won't send it. if you want it
- please send me an e-mail. it will have 7 l/g-related atlanta area
sites (well, lesbian mostly <g>). that map will be called "map.l". if
there is interest from any gay men on the list - i'll make one for you
too - lest i be accused of being sexist.

as for you straight folks... umm... there are a few more than 7 sites...
if you're really interested... go to the travel section of any big
bookstore & pick up an atlanta book (but be sure to check the printing
or date - things have changed a lot because of the olympics).

if you want it, but haven't asked yet... please mention if you want the
ig map; the l/g map; or both.

sorry to waste the band-width on so much nigc - i've had more requests
for it than i thought there'd be - plus i couldn't get all the kinks out
without having fewer sites on the map.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 15:33:52 -0400
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i think we should definately vote...i really want a shirt, and so what if
we have to tip-toe around legalities.  i'm sure we can work something out.
the map idea is cool...and i still really like the original idea.  who
suggested we just ask russel and the girls?  has anyone yet?  let us not
throw in the towel just because we are behind a wall.

alisa


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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 15:49:59 -0400
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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i find this entire line of discussion offensive.  yes, rcam sucks as a fan
club.  amy and emily hired rc as a lawyer early on, and i suspect they stick
with him as a manager out of loyalty since i can't imagine any other reason.
even so, to say the the girls don't care about their fans, and that they're
only in it for the money/fame/whatever, seems absurd to me.  i am not the
type to think that a musician i like can do no wrong.  however, i have more
respect for the way ig have administered their careers than any other
artist.  they pay homage to the artists who've influenced them; amy's been
losing money on daemon year after year to help other worthy atlanta bands;
they donate liberal amounts of their time and celebrity to help causes they
find worthwhile.  most importantly, they keep putting out great music that
sometimes surprises even hard-core fans (i remember the first time i heard
sys!)... they keep putting out the music *they* want to play, not what radio
or epic or even *we* want them to play.  and most of you who have been lucky
enough to meet them have found that they are extremely gracious and
down-to-earth (click on the backstage pass on my ig web page for my own
story).

ig just money-grubbing sell-outs?  puh-lease.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 16:37:00 -0700
reply-to:     amy mednick <amy1@alpeng.com>
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didn't think i could make the signing in tampa. change in travel plans,
now i can go. does anybody still have that info?

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 16:50:18 -0500
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i really don't think that amy and emily are in it just for business.
sure, both of them are very rich because of their music sales, but i
honestly think that amy and emily do it for other reasons.

let's not forget that they rreally didn't want to sign with a biger label
because they were scared that a big record label would not suit their
other needs. amy even said that they'd only go alnog w/ a major record
company if that company was willing to go along with their agenda.

also, for all of us who have actually had the honor to meet the girls, it
is so evident that they are doing this for more reasons than the money.
emily and amy (okay, this is my opinion from when i met them) both seemed
so thrilled and so honored to meet us (their fans).  they seemed
interested in what i had to say to them, and after speaking to others who
have met them, that seems to be everyone's impression.

with some other bands that i like (mostly u2 because they are the only
really huge band that i like) i do feel like a nameless face.  but that is
not the case with the indigo girls.  i have loved them forever, and i have
never felt that way.

so that's my $0.02!

mata ne!  ("later" in japanese)
karen :-)

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 16:50:50 -0400
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on wed, 24 sep 1997, deb wrote:

>
> ig just money-grubbing sell-outs?  puh-lease.


all that deb said, and more.  if some of y'all think that the indigo girls
are just doin' it for the money (re: live at the uptown lounge) why the
heck do you continue to support that?  quit buying the music and going to
the concerts, if that's the way you feel.  it's not like the hog-tie you
and force you to spend money on them!!!

ok, i'm done.  i'm donning my fire suit right now!

amy

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 17:58:33 -0300
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sorry if this has already been posted.. i picked up guitar world acoustic
magazine today (#24, the one with jerry garcia on the cover), and to my
delight found an article on ig. a little over two pages of interview and a
couple of nice pictures that i hadn't seen before. i don't have the time to
type it out, so i won't.. just thought i'd speak up and let ya know it's
there. there's also a page on dar williams and one on meredith brooks as
well (who, i discovered, shares my adoration of the guitar playing of
lindsey buckingham). a bit of igc and nonigc that brightened my day!


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  cardboard on two poles, and it says 'chickenman,'
     and my heart is full again." -- amy ray

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 17:18:47 +0000
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>with some other bands that i like (mostly u2 because they are the only
>really huge band that i like) i do feel like a nameless face.  but that is
>not the case with the indigo girls.  i have loved them forever, and i have
>never felt that way.

while i don't necessarily feel like a nameless face with indigo girls, i do
think they should do more for their core fan base. as for u2, i sat in the
8th row at a concert of 85,000 in may and i will have great seats in
detroit on oct. 31st without ever standing in line or pressing re dial a
million times because u2 is kind enough to give members of the fan club
first pick on seats.  melissa etheridge does that too.  that's what ig
should do.  i'm sure at least a third the people who have sat in front of
me at ig concerts are there because they know someone.  they probably sit
there and wait for least complicated, galileo, and closer to fine and just
politely clap for the other songs.  i'm sorry guys but that is my biggest
pet peeve.  that pisses me off when people who don't give a shit about the
band playing end up in the first rows because they know someone who could
get those seats through the venue or somewhere else.  let the real fans sit
in front for pete's sake!!!

sorry for beating this to death but i had to say my piece!
rob

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 17:42:23 -0400
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phew, it's getting a little too intense in here...  thanks mkc.

at 12:58 pm 9/24/97 -0400, you wrote:
>hkf's,
>
>ciatf
>thtlwtlc
>ihaf
>mlatmh,sob,sol
>iwtliahc
>epiam
>
>.....hehehe
>anyone answer the questions to the erroneous acronym riddle?????
>.....hehehe
>mkc

hey kind friends

closer i am to fine
the hardest to learn was the least complicated
i'm harboring a fugitive

uh...uh...  passing the ball...

h
who knows tatlbpyapse..

ps--you owe me a ltr, mkc.  pbbblttt!

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>i have to sit and watch cartoons
>for a day."-amy ray
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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rob is absolutely right.  i go to ig concerts, sit in my crummy nosebleed
seats, surrounded by the best people: goodnatured, die-hard fans, people
singing every single word of the most obscure songs, people who are on
their feet the whole time, long-time fans wearing shirts from tours a
decade ago.  and we're all back so far that the girls are just specks on a
stage.  and then i go for a walk to go to the bathroom or something, and
happen to stroll past the lucky ones in the up-close-and-personal seats.
it makes me really angry to see these yuppie corporate people, all dressed
all nice (not suitable or a concert), firmly seated throughout the entire
show, sipping their bud lights brought to them by the pavilion waitresses
who are there to wait on them and them only.  they are not big fans, not
even medium-sized fans; they know only those songs that make it to the
airwaves.  so they sit there and sway lightly to the biggies that they can
kinda hum or mumble along to, and feign interest the rest of the time.
okay, maybe i'm overgeneralizing, or being too harsh on corporate america,
but it's just not fair, and i totally agree with rob that we should get
first dibs on the seats, darn it.
okay, i'm done crabbin for now.
jill

on wed, 24 sep 1997, rob hite wrote:

> >with some other bands that i like (mostly u2 because they are the only
> >really huge band that i like) i do feel like a nameless face.  but that is
> >not the case with the indigo girls.  i have loved them forever, and i have
> >never felt that way.
>
> while i don't necessarily feel like a nameless face with indigo girls, i do
> think they should do more for their core fan base. as for u2, i sat in the
> 8th row at a concert of 85,000 in may and i will have great seats in
> detroit on oct. 31st without ever standing in line or pressing re dial a
> million times because u2 is kind enough to give members of the fan club
> first pick on seats.  melissa etheridge does that too.  that's what ig
> should do.  i'm sure at least a third the people who have sat in front of
> me at ig concerts are there because they know someone.  they probably sit
> there and wait for least complicated, galileo, and closer to fine and just
> politely clap for the other songs.  i'm sorry guys but that is my biggest
> pet peeve.  that pisses me off when people who don't give a shit about the
> band playing end up in the first rows because they know someone who could
> get those seats through the venue or somewhere else.  let the real fans sit
> in front for pete's sake!!!
>
> sorry for beating this to death but i had to say my piece!
> rob
>
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on wed, 24 sep 1997, michael cunningham wrote:

> hkf's,
>
> ciatf
closer i am to fine

> thtlwtl
ihaf
> mlatmh,sob,sol
> iwtliahc
> epiam
>
> .....hehehe
> anyone answer the questions to the erroneous acronym riddle?????
> .....hehehe
> mkc
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> i have to sit and watch cartoons
> for a day."-amy ray
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 18:00:51 -0400
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>
> >with some other bands that i like (mostly u2 because they are the only
> >really huge band that i like) i do feel like a nameless face.  but that is
> >not the case with the indigo girls.  i have loved them forever, and i have
> >never felt that way.
>
> while i don't necessarily feel like a nameless face with indigo girls, i do
> think they should do more for their core fan base. as for u2, i sat in the
> 8th row at a concert of 85,000 in may and i will have great seats in
> detroit on oct. 31st without ever standing in line or pressing re dial a
> million times because u2 is kind enough to give members of the fan club
> first pick on seats.

umm. congrats, i am in the u2 fanclub as well, so are a few friends, we got
royally screwed on tixs, i could have done better waiting a month , going
through ticketmaster.com and paid less, with better seats.


  melissa etheridge does that too.


yep, and i have had fully two sections above mein for tickets before at one
of her shows in me.


that's what ig
> should do.  i'm sure at least a third the people who have sat in front of
> me at ig concerts are there because they know someone.  they probably sit
> there and wait for least complicated, galileo, and closer to fine and just
> politely clap for the other songs.  i'm sorry guys but that is my biggest
> pet peeve.  that pisses me off when people who don't give a shit about the
> band playing end up in the first rows because they know someone who could
> get those seats through the venue or somewhere else.

is this a peeve or is it knowing where to call or where to wait in line? i
mean , my biggest problem with ticketing is it not being at all fair for
some shows (like rem - the closest seats were only available by phone - in
hindsight i would scalp for them.) this tour i've seen the indigo girls from
no further than ten row, and i was only on the phone once the moment tickets
went onsale (great woods netted 7th row and i sold it to a friend) i got
front row a full day after they'd been onsale in hartford. i am saying
know the venue, look at a map on the phone, look at good seats at shows and,
my secret, don't be afraid to sit alone - one great ticket is often easier
to find than two good tickets.

> sorry for beating this to death but i had to say my piece!
> rob
>
>

peace (i actually wrote please in hopes my friend finds the newly released
"popheart" ep tonight and grabs me a copy)

mike r.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 18:12:13 +0000
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>is this a peeve or is it knowing where to call or where to wait in line? i
>mean , my biggest problem with ticketing is it not being at all fair for
>some shows (like rem - the closest seats were only available by phone - in
>hindsight i would scalp for them.) this tour i've seen the indigo girls from
>no further than ten row, and i was only on the phone once the moment tickets
>went onsale

i, in fact, was on the phone at the prime time & still got screwed to the
"insiders" this summer for the pine knob show.  i got through at 9:57 and
the lady was nice enough to keep me on the line till 10 so that i could buy
them right then.  i was told that all of the $30 seats were gone before the
tickets even went on sale.  if you wanted those seats, you had to have pine
knob season tickets.  how many real indigo girls fans do you know who have
season tickets to a summer venue??  i ended up sitting way to f-ing far
back after driving 4 hours to see that show; especially since it was the
best ig show i've ever seen.


>peace (i actually wrote please in hopes my friend finds the newly released
>"popheart" ep tonight and grabs me a copy)

i can't wait to get that too.  hey did you tape the sarajevo show last
night?  a friend of mine was supposed to get it for me but i'm not sure if
he did.  (sorry about the nigc)

rob

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 18:10:54 -0400
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subject:      re: russel carter speaks for the ig?

>i find this entire line of discussion offensive.  yes, rcam sucks as a fan

>ig just money-grubbing sell-outs?  puh-lease.


just to clarify my earlier comments (which i enclose at the bottom
of this message for completeness), i in no way meant to imply nor
do i believe
1.  that ig have in any way "sold out";
2.  that ig do what they do only for money;
3.  that ig do not, on occasion, commit random acts of kindness for
    whatever reasons.

however, i do believe that they don't respect, appreciate, or value
their fans beyond the functions that their fans fulfill in
1. buying records;
2. going to shows;
3. signing political action cards.

of course, none of this is neither here nor there except to the extent that
it addresses someone else's comments on rcam.

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my general impression over the last six or seven years of being an ig fan is
1.  that the people in russell carter's office conduct themselves with such a
total lack of professionalism that it would be grounds for dismissal at
any normal place of business;
2.  that neither russell carter nor ig are remotely interested in whether or
not fans are treated by their staff with the common courtesy one might
expect as a matter of course much less as a valued consumer of the product of
which the office is a purveyor;
3.  that when it comes to the whole ig organization (including ig), as a
fan you a pretty much just a nameless and faceless nuisance except to
the extent that you buy the albums, buy the tickets to their concerts,
sign their political action cards, and generally serve in your role as part
of the indigo borg.

that's entertainment...

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 18:15:03 -0400
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hey all!

gotta drop my 2 cents in here...

what would be wrong about using some of the most popular quotes
(that we use as our sigs.. not lyrics... but stuff they said on boots or
at shows?) from amy & emily?

there names aren't copywrited, are they?  i mean amy ray & emily
saliers... not indigo girls.  or put them as a.ray & e. saliers?  i
certainly doubt these are copywrited!

any suggestions?  the map idea is cool too... or the crayon thing... we
could maybe incorporate that on the front & quotes from each on the
back?
what do y'all think?

perhaps we should all vote on best quotes, if we decide to do that?

just an idea...

twink! :p

**********
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emily:  "you're so rowdy!"
   amy:  "sprawlin'... flailin'..."
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p.s. -  lisa... great idea... i (for one) don't have one list shirt and
        would love to get one!  thanks for getting a discussion started!

:)

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 18:14:34 -0400
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subject:      concert tonight in dc

hey all
i'm off to go see the concert tonight in dc with bonnie raitt.  this will be
the third time i see them this year but the show in va was rather
disappointing.  the show in ct was better.  i'm wondering if they will sing
with bonnie raitt tonight and how strange that may sound.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 15:43:51 -0500
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deb / indigo....
        you gotta know i respect you a ton and almost always agree with much of
what you say... but in this case i have to meekly ask if it is truly likely
that two people with as high moral standards as a & e do (i cite all the
political involvement as well as their insistence over the years to do
their careers as they choose as my evidence) would *truly* have management
running their organization if they did not believe in how they were doing
it? just from loyalty?  i really have to doubt that.  while i cannot at all
fathom why... i tend to think that a & e must be in favor of the operations
of their management.  i truly believe that if either of them disagreed with
rc management decisions, rc would be outta' there.
        i don't agree at it is "just business", but i think that it is more
business than many of us would like to think it is.  personally, i stick to
my earlier comment - i love the music and the messages enough to endure the
other stuff.

tracy - hoping deb doesn't take offense, and also rather hoping deb changes
my mind somehow

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 19:10:28 -0400
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from:         lisa arthur <lisalisaa@aol.com>
subject:      the shirt etc.

i don't have any real opinion on the shirt, except that my general philosophy
on life is that it is easier to apologize than ask for permission in
situations such as this. i seriously doubt anyone is going to sue a bunch of
fans for making a shirt as long as no one starts making a profit or selling
them at walmart. the bad publicity for any band who does that -- especially
one that espouses the ig principles -- would outweigh what they would gain in
any lawsuit.

all that said, that doesn't mean it's right to do it.

as far as all this it's just a business to them chatter: sure it is.  the
bigger they get, the bigger the business. i've watched several fringe artists
who were favorites of mine become mainstream successes and i always find
myself rooting for them, that they don't let it all wreck their lives or
destroy their muse. that's what often happens when the hype machine
roars....the subsequent music usually looses its edge. i do hope that the
indigo girls never make a nike ad, cause that's when the business part really
has eclipsed everything else. so far they haven't done that.

but if they do, or if they lose sight of their fans as they become more
popular, or if their management office is rude, that's really their business,
their choice, their path. all they owe any fan for their money is good music,
you know. and no matter what they become, the cds we all play endlessly won't
change a bit. it's really not fair to any celebrity to expect more than that.


someone very wise whose name i can't recall once said: trust the art, not the
artist.

that's good advice.

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 19:14:47 -0400
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subject:      fwd: stars urge congress to nix nuke dump

this came up on the aol news service profile i have set up.  sorry if it's a
repeat.

sabrina
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date:    97-09-24 16:51:40 edt
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      washington (ap) - singers bonnie raitt, jackson browne and the
indigo girls on wednesday urged congress to reject legislation
creating a temporary storage facility in nevada for tons of nuclear
waste.
      appearing at a news conference at the foot of capitol hill, the
entertainers said the transportation of nuclear waste across the
nation's highways would be dangerous to the public.
      ''we all think the transport of nuclear waste is an insane idea
(and) that the american people, if they were only informed about
it, would be outraged,'' raitt said, calling herself a ''town
crier.''
      emily saliers of the indigo girls urged people to be more
efficient in their use of energy and to turn to alternative sources
- solar and wind among them. ''we're here to tell ya'll that
nuclear power is dirty, it's dangerous and it's a bad deal,'' she
said.
      legislation creating a centralized nuclear waste storage site in
the nevada desert cleared the senate earlier this year and was
approved by the house commerce committee last week, paving the way
for action by the full house in the coming weeks.
      while house approval is likely, it is still uncertain whether
congress could override a promised presidential veto. the singers,
who met tuesday with white house chief of staff erskine bowles,
said administration officials reiterated the president's veto
pledge.
      the nuclear industry contends a permanent waste repository is a
must because little on-site storage space is left for spent nuclear
fuel at nuclear power plants.
      ''nuclear is here to stay, and it's a terrific deal for the
american people,'' said industry spokesman steve kerekes. over the
past 30 years, the industry has transported more than 2,000
shipments of nuclear fuel in special canisters without any
radiation release, he said.
      referring to the singers' safety concerns, kerekes said, ''i
think they are kind of off-key here - and i'm not talking about
their music.''
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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 19:16:16 -0400
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subject:      re: list shirt idea

>>thinking about the idea of the map - why not try to find out where
all the members of the list come from, put dots (or something) on a
map of the world in the countries where list members come from, and
stick that on the t-shirt, with "get out the map" somewhere on the
t-shirt?

john.>>

i think this is a cute idea! :)

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 19:32:23 -0400
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subject:      re: list shirt idea
x-to:         indigo@mindspring.com

in a message dated 97-09-24 09:40:39 edt, indigo@mindspring.com writes:

<< i would bet that ig are at least 90% of rcam's business. if they don't
have
a representative monitoring this list, i'd be amazed. >>

hey gang

it would seem to me that the thing for us to do is to go after a higher
profile image with russell carter, and somehow through our collective charm
and true love for the girls, we could raise the list in his and the girls'
esteem.  i've been getting a vibe for some time that neither he nor the girls
are completely hip to the internet scene anyway, so clearly they cannot
relate to many aspects of the community.  perhaps they feel it's too invasive
or too obsessed with them, and there's no disputing they don't dig the
personal chat.

clearly, we are a strong fan base for them.  from what i've seen, virtually
every one of you has paid big money for tickets numerous times, and it seems
like i may be the only one who's never met them!  we all seem to be pretty
cool people, so surely we have a marketer out there somewhere who can think
of a way to get the message across to russell carter!  somebody write and let
me know if he outright refused to allow an exception to the copyrighted
stuff.  and it does sound like various of you have had trouble after trouble
trying to interact with his company.  that really strikes me funny.  one
would think the ig would want everyone associated with them in any way to be
as loving and giving as they are.  hmmmm, food for thought.

other big stars really dig their cyber support, and i think the ig needs to
get hip to this.  how about a live online chat with them one night?  how cool
would that be?  how easy would it be for them to do something like that ?  ok
bonnie keep right on dreaming.  but i do think we'd ask the best questions.

is russell carter aware of stuff like donations in the girls names, adn the
gifts of time thing?  just curious.

bonnie

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aaagggghhhhh another lost soul ... at least you have a chance to
maybe... possibly...hopefully find your first album... my friend was
kindly trying to clean mine in my car with the tops off going 80000
miles an hour down the highway and poof the cd fairy sucked it right out
of the roof of the car and sent it helplessly crashing into the
unsympathetic asphalt..sniffle..sniffle...

may the cd fairy fairy have sympathy on your poor little lost cd and
return it safely to its home as soon as possible....


p.s. is anybody going to the tampa show on 9/26 ????

literally nomadic...anndee

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hey again!

        ya know, i was just remembering (someone feel free to refresh my memory
as to where i remember this from... if you can) that statements were
made by amy & emily regarding what might happen at the end of their
contract with epic.  it was something like how amy wanted to get away
from the big labels (probably due to the involvement with daemon and
seeing how all that runs) and possibly go back to a more independent
one.  and how emily said she didn't really feel that way herself.

        i figure that amy feels this way because she is not happy with the way
epic (or any major label for that matter) has handled them during their
careers.  who knows... perhaps it's that she feels she doesn't have
complete "freedom"?  or that she'd prefer to be the one who says what
song will be the first single? (i'm recalling that she & emily said that
epic decides what songs are the singles)  or, couldn't it also be that
she desires the freedom to manage her own career completely?  that she
might not be completely happy with the management either?  i know she
didn't "say" that... but i find it hard to believe that she & emily
don't care about how the fan club is being handled (especially after
dealing with daemon records several times myself & always getting speedy
service & speedy exchanges when they learn there is a problem... i think
if ig were on the daemon label... none of us would even be having this
discussion!) but, short of firing them, the running of the fan club is
not directly in their control.

        i've heard of so many other performers, in various generas of music,
that have wonderful fan clubs in which you can even request & receive
backstage passes... granted once in a blue moon... but i've never heard
of the ig fan club being like that.  or where you can write to the
artist and get a little response back from them... again, i've not heard
of this from the ig fan club. (please let me know if this is going on...
and i'm just "unaware" of it?)

        anyway, i'm just really venting... y'all got me thinking about it and i
couldn't get it out of my mind.  one question:  has anyone who's dealt
with the fan club & russell carter mgmt. (and had a bad experience) ever
brought these things to the attention of amy or emily?
(i didn't think of it last time they were over for dinner! yeah - real
likely! not!)  is it out of the question that they don't know?  rather
than they know and they don't care?

        okay, that's it... i'm shutting up now!  thanks for listening though...
i feel better! :p

later,
twink! ;p

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yes, i agree with you all who says those "sell out fans" annoy you.  i was
at a lilith fair show this summer where the ig's played.  some people only
got up for "shame on you" "galileo" and "closer to fine"  when the girls
played "ghost" i heard someone say "what the hell is this?!"  okay,
hello?!  it's "ghost"

also, i was at one sots tour show.  the girls played "you and me of the
10,000 wars" (woo hoo!  finally something from nis).  only a few very
loyal fans sang along.  everyone (and everyone in the first row) mostly
sat there politly waiting for this "unknown song" to end.  anyway, i was
annoyed.

i just can't stand (and i'm sure you all know the type) those "fans" who
say "i loooooooooooooove the indigo girls!  shame on you is their best
song ever!"

and (sorry, i am getting off here...) radio dj's (for the most part are
the same way).  on emily's birthday, i called like 3 radio stations and
said "today is emily's (of the indigo girls) birthday.  can you play
watershed by the indigo girls?"  one dj tried to convince me that that
song does not exist since it is not on sots, their "only album", another
said he was only authorized to play "shame on you", and the third (like
the first) said "i've never heard of that one."  i said "it's off
nomand*indians*saints"  he was like "sorry, never heard of that album."
oh well...

sorry for the rambling!  that kind of stuff just annoys me!
ja mata!
:-) karen

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 20:30:50 -0400
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subject:      (nigc) email help

does anyone know of a free email service that doesn't require internet
hookup and would work on a mac?

anna

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 11:00:38 +1000
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hey everyone,

first up: since i'm going away tomorrow, i'm declaring the
next song of the week a day early.  since there hasn't been
all that much sotw discussion, i thought we'd "double up"
for a few weeks and see how it goes.  so, the songs of the
week for next week will be "get together" and "walk away".
you know the drill. :)

next: the pal version of "watershed" has just been
discontinued here in australia, or so i'm told.  if there
are any aussies out there who haven't gotten their copies
yet i'd advise going out and getting yours before they all
disappear from the stores...

derek duncan said:
> why not make a shirt that does not  use their lyrics?
> i think that shirts that leave something to be imagined are cool.

well, i forgot to say in my message last night but i am
100% in favour of making a list shirt.  we should just try
to make sure that we're not violating any copyrights or
stepping on any official toes, that's all.  last year's
shirt was a wonderful project and deb r. and chris (sorry,
chris, if you're here - i forget your surname) did an
excellent job organising it.  yay.

:)
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i am a long time member of the list and a long time lover of ig music.  i
rarely surface to write (too much pressure!).  but this is becoming
really ridiculous..........<<

it makes me really angry to see these yuppie corporate people, all
dressed all nice (not suitable or a concert)>>firmly seated throughout
the entire show, sipping their bud lights brought to them by the pavilion
waitresses who are there to wait on them and them only.>><they are not
big fans, not even medium-sized fans; they know only those songs that
make it to the airwaves.  so they sit there and sway lightly to the
biggies that they can kinda hum or mumble along to, and feign interest
the rest of the time.  okay, maybe i'm overgeneralizing, or being too
harsh on corporate america, but it's just not fair, and i totally agree
with rob that we should get
first dibs on the seats, darn it. >>

this are a fairly judgemental comments.  first, it seems inappropriate to
decide what is or is not suitable clothing for a concert.  perhaps what
you find "suitable" would not be considered so by others.

second, the servers are there for anyone who buys tickets in the more
expensive sections, not just for "yuppie corporate" people.

third, it's unfair to assume that just because one is a corporate yuppie,
they cannot be real fans of the indigo girls.

i do agree that it seems unfair in general at concerts that people who
are not fans and seem unfamiliar with all but the most popular song, take
seats in the front row.  i also agree that there should be some way to
offer seats first to hard core fans.

but i don't think anyone should try and judge who is a old fan, and who
is a new fan, especially not by the way someone looks or where they sit
at a concert.

sorry.

betsy

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to have the things that mean the most
not to mean the things i miss --emily saliers

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i dont know if juno works on a mac but you might try it www.juno.com


on wed, 24 sep 1997, chickensoprano wrote:

> does anyone know of a free email service that doesn't require internet
> hookup and would work on a mac?
>
> anna
>
> "i base my fashion taste on what doesn't itch." -gilda radner
>  http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm
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hey all,
didn't someone say using song titles was ok? (deb maybe?)  anyway, i liked
mary clark's idea.  i'm sure we could come up with a few neat stories
using titles or boot quotes and then everyone could vote on which to put
on a shirt.
java

several indigo colored girls are using
> hammers and nails to help out this girl who seems to have the weight of
> the world in her hands.  several girls are wearing hand me downs.  one
> girl says that her favorite historical figure is galileo; another says
> virginia woolf.another says the prince of darkness (she's kinda evil; a
> fugitive, a defector of a kind...) don't forget to explain that you had to
> use crayons, the least complicated solution, because you couldn't find
> anything closer to fine.

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i am a die-hard fan, and a member of corporate america.  in fact, if you have
a job, aren't you part of that monster, too?  i have always, and will always
love the indigo girls, no matter if i'm sipping bud-light served by a
waitress, or one i had to wait in line 30 minutes at the venue to get.  no
matter what, i love my girls.  watch out for the generalization, would ya?
kate

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hi all,

does anyone have the new email address for rainy day records, or know how
to contact them now that they have moved to florida?

thanks!
shelley

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i just tried emailing them on the mindspring address and it bounced. anyone
know why? i want to see their list of ig stuff. anyone know if there's a
new email address?

helen

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 00:35:35 -0400
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subject:      ig in rolling stone, list shirt

hi all,

just wanted to tell you all that ig are on page 14 of the oct. 2 issue
(chris rock on the cover).  there's a 2" x 3" color photo of amy and
emily with patti smith and a paragraph that reads (reprinted with
absolutely no permission whatsoever):

just call it lilith fair with attitude.  the indigo girls played two
shows at colorado's red rocks, where they brought along punk royalty
patti smith as their opening act.  "we like to mix folk and punk
together," said indigo girl emily saliers.  the shows were a warm-up for
the girls' current honor the earth tour, on which they're raising funds
to fight plans for nuclear-waste storage on american indian lands.  "it's
the same horror tale of the government chasing indians out of their homes
by offering money," said saliers. "it's abominable."


and on the topic of the list shirt, i'd like to say that i like the
following ideas:

the map idea showing the location of all us.

the quotes from boots idea, and rather than use the name indigo girls,
how about saliers and ray?  ig actually used this name early in their
careers and fans would recognize the names which would spark
conversation, as would the quotes.(i like this idea a lot!)

getting permission from rcam or ig to go with lisa's original idea (which
i thought was absolutely beautiful, btw).

so that's my $.02.


tuesday's child

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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 23:32:35 -0500
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subject:      mary clark's "this crazy shirt thing" post

mary clark....you are funny!  i loved your post!  i betcha some of those
ideas would go over quite well.  wanna take on this project????  :)

lisa

>>>>>>>
date:    wed, 24 sep 1997 12:41:09 -0400
from:    mary clark <mclark@ultrix.ramapo.edu>
subject: this crazy shirt thing

why not draw a group of girls and color them in indigo?  draw a crayola -
um excuse me, copyright infringement, crahola crayon that says "indigo"
on
it, and draw it next to the group of girls (several girls, so as not to
confuse them with the *other* two person indigo girls group of pop-folk
fame)as if it just colored them in.   then, underneath, write "an example
of
indigo girls."  draw a circle of puppies around them and label the
"guards
(like watchdogs)" explain that they're having a reunion. a couple in the
corner is arguing "what do you look for in a man?" the other says "his
language.  but sometimes his kiss." several indigo colored girls are
using
hammers and nails to help out this girl who seems to have the weight of
the world in her hands.  several girls are wearing hand me downs.  one
girl says that her favorite historical figure is galileo; another says
virginia woolf.another says the prince of darkness (she's kinda evil; a
fugitive, a defector of a kind...) don't forget to explain that you had
to
use crayons, the least complicated solution, because you couldn't find
anything closer to fine.
        i see no copyright infringement, or indigo girls references.
;)
mc
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date:         wed, 24 sep 1997 23:40:35 -0500
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subject:      bye-bye shirt idea.....you were great while you lasted

deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com wrote:

>and lisa, don't take personal offense.  it seemed to me that deb was
>offering you advice based on her experience last year; she even ended
with
>"hope that helps some."  if you read her message again, i think you'll
see
>that she wasn't criticizing, she was advising, and you should be
>appreciative rather than offended.

heck, i love deb reiser.  she's the next best thing to emily to me.
(inside
joke, unless you were at the bar after the davenport show.)
and i know she's trying to help.  i'm not offended at all.  i was just
frustrated and feeling sorry for myself.  and another thing....how can i
not like
that woman??  she's from milwaukee, for cryin' out loud!

so, thanks to everyone for their great support.  i counted about 50 (or
more) posts
to me in favor of this project.  wish i could go through with it.
although i
have the will, i want the majority of this list to back the idea.  as
long as
some of our leaders (sherlyn and deb) don't agree with it, i'm dropping
it.  so,
i guess someone else will have to come up with a '97 list shirt that may
have
to be void of some meaning and heart to keep it "official" and "legal".

i'll support anyone else in their endeavors.  and, if i do go ahead an
make my
own shirt anyway, i'll try to make more if they turn out nice and sell
'em at cost
to anyone interested.  maybe i'll do this, maybe i won't.  most likely if
it isn't a list
shirt, i won't put the listserv addy on it.  then no one on the list will
have to worry
about being connected with such a project.

back to life and that who-gives-a-shit attitude that gets me through my
day........
oh, my, maybe i'm still a bit frustrated.  i didn't really think this
list could get
me so, er, cynical, but.......sorry i instigated such a disturbing
discussion about
rc and the business of ig.  i didn't want a kind-hearted list shirt idea
to
escalate into this.  my fault....i spouted my feelings on rc first.

lisa

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kirsten and/or tracy - if you're out there, please write to me. i have
boot questions. or if any of you know how i can get in touch with them,
please let me know. thanks.
-sam

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 01:08:43 edt
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subject:      t-shrit idea

all the ideas sound great...incorporate them all....make a map with
everyone's general location and maybe about making some profit for the
hte tour...

*s*  count me in!!!
deana
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 00:05:02 -0500
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subject:      new list shirt idea...before i hit the hay

hey y'all,

i thought of a new list shirt idea to take the
place of that globe/heart/eiiot-lyric shirt idea....

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front:

we love indigo girls!!  (copyright infringement!)

indigo-girls@netspace.org

back:

shame on us!
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hehehehehehehe

time to go to bed.

lisa

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 01:16:01 -0400
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i really really like the idea of using "saliers and ray" on the shirt...and
mixed with some random but incredibly meaningful quotes would be perfect,
more unconventional, which equals cooler.

what cha all think?

alisa


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front:

we love indigo girls!!  (copyright infringement!)

indigo-girls@netspace.org

back:

shame on us!
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hehehehehehehe

love the idea!!!!!!!!  i would definately shell out the $ for that.

alisa


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there are two i don't understand."
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michelle malone update:

for those who missed the original post, we are doing a "virtual benefit"
and collecting donations to help michelle malone out with the bills from
her recent hospital visit.  there is an official benefit at eddie's attic
on october 8th and we will send our collection to some listees in atlanta
to deliver at the benefit.

as was brought to light by the daemon newsletter someone kindly posted to
the list, michelle is in fact without health insurance.  i can only assume
her bills will be in the tens of thousands of dollars.  your donations are
*definitely* going to be needed and much appreciated!

so, here's where we stand so far:

after just two days of mail we have almost $200!!  we're off to a great
start.  a big huge thank you to those of you who have responded so quickly
to my original post.  i know several other cards and checks are in the
mail and i am keeping an eye out for them.

the time for this collection is short, so we can't raise what we did for
amy and emily's birthdays, but i would love to see us get close to $500
for michelle.

if you're planning to join in, send your card and/or donation as soon as
possible - preferably by thursday or friday.  we are aiming for the
eddie's attic benefit, so we need to wrap this up by the end of next week.

one important reminder - please enclose a note with your e-mail address
(or write it on your check) so that i can send you a message right away
letting you know i got your donation.  if you forgot, send me a message:
alisont@netcom.com

for those who need it, my address is:

alison taub
22410 philiprimm st.
woodland hills, ca 91367

for the donation, i would prefer either cash or checks made out to me
("alison taub") so that i can consolidate them in a single cashiers check
or money order for michelle.  so far all the checks have been to me -
thank you very much for your trust!  but you can also send a check made
out to "michelle malone" if you are more comfortable with that.    send
along a card or letter or any small thing you want to give michelle.

thanks to everyone !

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oh pooh!

just got this from dar's manager:

>seffy - unfortunately, dar's uk tour was cancelled. we don't know when she'll
>be over again. the "welcome to acousticville" tour with janis ian and martyn
>joseph will still be happening, but without dar.
>
>apologies!
>
>charlie

oh well, i can still highly recommend the other two though...

seffy

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subject:      re : list shirt

two things :

1. to anybody who liked my idea *slight embarassed look on face* -
um, thanks.....

2. why don't we see how many of these ideas we can get to work
together..... and then stick them on one t - shirt....

john.


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new notes from amy up on the daemon site:

http://monsterbit.com/daemon/notes.html


....."other yummy things"...........she wouldn't really say
that, would she?!?!

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er...make that yummy books....................i didn't have
my glasses on....that's my story and i'm sticking to
it...nothing like misquoting to end a truly foul day......

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subject:      my tee shirt idea!!! tsc (tee shirt content)

front:

"i joined the indigo-girls@netspace.org community...."

back:

"and all i got was this lousy tee-shirt that was beaten into the ground by
the list."

hehehehehehehehehehehehehee....

-lizliz-
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subject:      warner theatre--no nuke bomb (almost)

just a few words, and i think i can spell them, about the show last night at
the warner theatre in washington, d.c. (i am a d.c. metro survivor).

well, it is a great cause and i'm glad that i could help out ($), but
seriously, folks, it wasn't the most inspiring ig concert i have been to.
a&e were into it but the audience sorta rested on their collective
bureaucratic butts for most of the time i was there.  here's the setlist:

galileo

really, was the only time the audience was anywhere near ambulatory.  em,
when she saw all the folks rise and rock to galileo, said:  "well, there you
are!!"  she prolly thought everyone was glued to their seats with red tape.

i'll consider moving to boston in the spring.

all kidding aside, yes, i loved the show and a&e were a treat as always.  and
of course i booted it :) it will only be a 60 min tape.  any completists out
there?

jude :)

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hey folks, it's too hot in here!  let's throw open all the windows and
turn on a fan...  (and now you know why i live in the northland)
nic

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from: jill certo <jillian.certo@oberlin.edu> wrote:
>while amy and emily may have started out with  the best intentions, it's
>only human to become jaded and wary over time.  the novelty of "woo, these
>people are paying to see _us_" wears off, and it becomes more of a job.

certainly, touring is more work than playing the little 5 points pub on
saturday nights with all your friends hangin' out.  there's no doubt that
much of what they do now is work, much is business.  but i think that's the
price they pay to share their music, which i absolutely believe they are
devoted to and would not alter for commercial purposes.

=-=-=-=

kare rosenblum <klrosenb@wittenberg.edu> wrote:

>i really don't think that amy and emily are in it just for business.
>sure, both of them are very rich because of their music sales, but i
>honestly think that amy and emily do it for other reasons.

umm, *very* rich?  i doubt that, but if they are, they've earned it.

=-=-=-=

rob hite <hiterj@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu> wrote:
>u2 is kind enough to give members of the fan club
>first pick on seats.  melissa etheridge does that too.

don't know about u2, but the melissa etheridge information network is not
free.  and there are countless complaints from people who have gotten poor
seats through the mein, and waved to their friends who bought tix through tm
which were 10 rows ahead of them.  and those tix sell out too, just being a
member doesn't assure you a seat through them.  and talk about a commercial
machine: mein must have offered 30 different shirts over the last few years,
not to mention briefcases, keychains, necklaces... whatever they could think
to stick the etheridge logo on.  if ig were really into making money, that
would be the way to go.

another major gripe of etheridge fans is that as great as melissa's live
performances are, they have yet to see a live cd or video.  ig have put out
2 outstanding videos and one amazing live double-cd.  these are items that
usually sell only to real fans (tm).

more importantly, when was the last time etheridge or u2 did a $10 tour in
300-seat clubs?  a high school tour?  a college tour?  i'd much rather see
ig from any of the 500 seats at the birchmere than any of the front 500
seats at wolf trap (though i do love wt -- and yes, what do you know, i even
have a wt membership for early access to seats).  etheridge prefers to play
the obscenely huge nissan pavillion, even though she sold so few tix at the
last show they closed the lawn and brought everyone inside.

and can we cut the "i'm a bigger fan and i deserve better seats" crap?  you
have no business judging fandom on the basis of what people wear, what they
drink, or how outgoing they are at a show.

=-=-=-=

lauree shampine <shampine@ll.mit.edu> wrote:
>however, i do believe that they don't respect, appreciate, or value
>their fans beyond the functions that their fans fulfill in
>1. buying records;
>2. going to shows;
>3. signing political action cards.

i guess i'd like to know what you'd want from them.  they put out
consistently excellent music.  that's what i expect -- hell, i don't even
*expect* that, it's almost more than i can hope for, but they've done it.  i
don't even expect them to tour if they don't want to.

they don't *know* each and every one of us like we may think we know them.
so, yeah, beyond buying the music and going to shows and supporting their
causes, what value *should* we have to them?

let's see a small sample of what they've actually said on the subject of
their fans:

this is from the *free* sots calendar:

>_shaming of the sun_ is finally music that's fueled and filled with great
>hope.  it reaches out.  "we get a lot of letters from people who are very
>specific about the ways that certain songs have helped them through a
>difficult time or changed them or made them think about things," emily
says,
>of the concerts and albums that have already touched so many lives.  "our
>fans are very loyal, and they're closely tied into the emotional aspect of
>our music."  amy concurs, and elaborates: "we've just met so many fantastic
>people along the way.  probably the best part of this work is the
travelling."

this is from the 3/26/97 michigan daily:

>after the college circuit through april (this week the girls are at grand
>rapids' calvin college), the talented guitarists plan to tour the country
>this summer, with their band back together and more opening acts. the
>indigos may even go to europe, ray said. "we're also doing small venues
>sponsored by high schools with only high school kids allowed."
>
>"they get shut out of concerts," saliers said from beneath her baseball
>cap. the down-to-earth pair seem to be very considerate of their fans -
>graciously taking time to sign autographs after the performance.

this is from the 3/20 ann arbor news:

>"i have to fight internally to grow," said saliers, "because i tend to stay
>in the same mode of expression. that's why it's good to have a partner like
>amy, because she's the opposite of that. it's a fine line, determining when
>it's right to try something new, but keeping it heartfelt. we need to do
>that for ourselves and our fans.

this is from the eugene, or radio interview on kwva:

q:  how do you think the fans will react to [having more direct references
to women in your music]?

e:  they love it!
a:  they go "yay, yaaay"
e:  all the gay women they scream.  then all the guys, i look out at the
guys, the frat guys with their hats, they're like "whuuteverrr" (laughter)
its great, to give credit to our fans, seriously.

q:  you have interesting fans

e interjects:  they're great, they're great.

q:  actually this comes with the fan thing, we were looking at the internet
and we were checking out these pages.  top ten reasons you know that you're
obsessed with the indigo girls (a&e laugh) and one woman said that she and
her friend had dressed up as you (amy cracks up at this point) for
halloween.

e:  oh, well at least it was for halloween!  not like they just dress up as
us, cross-dressing as the indigo girls, yikes! (all were laughing)

q:  do you ever look at your pages on the internet?

e:  no, nooo (serious voice)
a:  uh uhh (as in no)  i mean its a lot of, we appreciate the support of it
y'know in a way like that, like the spread of the music and the community of
it and stuff like that, the underground nature of it.  but if you read all
that stuff about yourself, you would think about yourself all the time.  we
already think about ourselves a lot of the time.

=-=-=-=-=

tracy - now b.a. !!!!! <clumber@bigfoot.com> wrote:
i have to meekly ask if it is truly likely
>that two people with as high moral standards as a & e do (i cite all the
>political involvement as well as their insistence over the years to do
>their careers as they choose as my evidence) would *truly* have management
>running their organization if they did not believe in how they were doing
>it? just from loyalty?

because we don't discuss personal ig issues on this list, it's hard to
answer this question, but i think if someone who knew them could speak up
and say so, you'd find that ig are very loyal to their friends.  and let's
face it, rcam is, above all, management, and ig as a band are not doin' too
bad.  so maybe he's done something very right on that count!  perhaps the
problem is thinking of rcam as a true fan club.  i've always thought of it
as a snail mail list that sends you notices on occasion of new singles,
tours, merchandise, etc.  but it doesn't even do that well.  (and neither
does mein, which seems to get a lot of its info from the etheridge
listserv.) but that's probably not important to ig precisely because they're
*not* in it for the money.  if they were, they'd have a well-oiled machine
producing, advertising, and shipping their merchandise.  i think the fact
that amy ensures that daemon is more responsive to customers than her own
manager is about getting ig product out says a lot about where amy's head is
at.

>tracy - hoping deb doesn't take offense

of course not!  respectful disagreement is welcome!

>and also rather hoping deb changes my mind somehow

well, i gave it a shot, hopefully you got this far. :-)

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subject:      re: nigc-attn:  heather solimini

sorry to have to intrude but i lost your address.
we were in the middle of a boot trade before i ran into major computer
malfunctioning.
i wanted psu and you wanted either 7/5/94 st. denis theater in montreal or
10/15/94 shea's in bufalo, ny.
please e-mail me.
thanks
rena

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subject:      re: ig on cbs good morning!

did anyone catch this today?
at 7:45 (est) i flipped on cbs and heard jane robillot(sp?) talking about the
issue of transporting nuclear materials and bonnie raitt was seen coming out
of a government building.  winona laduke might have been sitting on a panel,
too...not sure.
then they interviewed the rep. john upton who is against passing this law and
at the very end they showed a clip of ig playing soy live!
it'll probably be on again today at some point.  i missed the beginning of
this report.  bonnie raitt's involvement seemed to be a highlight.
keep the vcr's ready,
(i'm so proud of them!)
rena

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>front:
>we love indigo girls!!  (copyright infringement!)
>indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>back:
>shame on us!


rotfl!!!!!
you have my vote!!

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jude <hunterj1@aol.com> wrote:
>well, it is a great cause and i'm glad that i could help out ($), but
>seriously, folks, it wasn't the most inspiring ig concert i have been to.

the crowd was reserved, but that's exactly what i expected at warner
theater -- they rarely have rock shows and when they do, they exercise
strict crowd control (were you at the ani show there a year or so ago?  what
an amazing job they did controlling that one!).  what i didn't appreciate is
how disrespectful the crowd was of john trudell.  not my cup o' tea either,
but a lot of people were loudly *making fun* of him and laughing.
unbelievable.

but i thought the show was great!  special guests jackson browne (2 songs, +
a duet with bonnie) and beth neilsen chapman (1 song, and bonnie sang
another of hers a cappella -- gorgeous!).  bonnie was fantastic, played for
over an hour probably.  and the encore... ig, bonnie et al doing bonnie's
"angel from montgomery" (excellent!  emily sang a verse and amy's backing
harmonies were great), and finishing with bmhawk.  i had a great time.

besides, i think this was my sixth ig show this year and i *finally* got to
see some of amy's new tattoo.  :-)

>all kidding aside, yes, i loved the show and a&e were a treat as always.
and
>of course i booted it :) it will only be a 60 min tape.

i booted the whole show (except john trudell - i can't get into
spoken-word), about 2-1/2 hours worth.  i plan to tree it when i have time,
if anyone wants to wait a couple weeks for that to get off the ground.
don't want to neglect my trades in progress (and you know who you are! <g>).
please do not flood me with requests for the tape now, early requests will
be trashed without reply.

and btw, i was one of those really passive, quiet, people because i wanted
to get a good boot...

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 08:45:12 -0500
reply-to:     "dr. urvashi pitre" <u.pitre@tcu.edu>
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from:         "dr. urvashi pitre" <u.pitre@tcu.edu>
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well golly gosh! my comments about rc seem to have found a lot of support among all y'all. have to say that when i first made the comments, i was thinking more about the management rather than the girls themselves. but deep in my heart (ok not so deep) i have been disappointed with the inconsistencies between what we hear them say to the media and how they actually act toward fans. not individual fans, groups of fans.

let me tell you about two of my friends when i was ten years old in india. one had a huge crush on the queen of england, and the other was nuts about jimmy carter. they both wrote ardent letters to their respective gods....and the one that wrote to the queen of england got back a reply!!! my respect for her went up immeasurably as a result of that.  of course it was a form letter, but i tell you what...when the list got together to organize the gift of time and the donations for billings house, i sure wouldn't have complained about getting a form letter telling us that the gifts had been received. i can understand that a star doesn't have time to write to each fan out there, but to write one or two letters to thank hundreds of fans at once...or get your management to mail out one form letter that will reach so many people at a time...it really doesn't seem that hard. people who are more popular than the ig send out form letters routinely to their fans.

when they played at the university here, the student council had spent months trying to organize the concert...at the end of it, the kids could not even get a photo with the girls without hassle because the girls had decided they didn't want to do that. can you imagine their disappointment?  the university gave out back stage passes...and the girls decided they didn't want to honor those. then i read about them talking about how they have trouble selling 3000 tickets in texas. if they did meet and greets here like they do in other parts of the country they may not have this problem.

bottom line is this...they don't owe us anything. but let us be honest about things. whoever said that rc's attitude has got to reflect what the girls feel, i am right there with you. you can't be the sort of person who goes out and fights for the zapatistas and the land and nuclear war, and not worry about the way your publicity is handled.. even if you stick with rc because of old times. they sing because they want to. we buy their stuff because we want to. they are nice to us one-on-one because they aren't nasty people ( i think). when it comes to fans as a group, nobody cares except the fans.

dr. urvashi pitre

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 11:41:59 edt
reply-to:     myra e <myra-e@juno.com>
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from:         myra e <myra-e@juno.com>
subject:      re: cool shirt idea

that's gotta be the best one i've heard so far!!! *laughing*

deana

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on thu, 25 sep 1997 01:20:51 -0400 alisa greenberg
<agreenb1@swarthmore.edu> writes:
>front:
>
>we love indigo girls!!  (copyright infringement!)
>
>indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>back:
>
>shame on us!
>--------------
>
>hehehehehehehe
>
>
>
>love the idea!!!!!!!!  i would definately shell out the $ for that.
>
>alisa
>
>
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>*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+*+
>
>"...for everything i've learned
>there are two i don't understand."
>           emily saliers
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 12:20:08 -0400
reply-to:     denakohl@aol.com
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from:         "<dena kohleriter>" <denakohl@aol.com>
subject:      re: t-shrit idea

here's a suggestion regarding asking r-cam for permission.  since, we know
how diligent they have always been in answering e-mail (heavy sarcasm) why
not e-mail them with our intentions and let them know that if there is no
response in a certain number of days we will  assume that it is okay with
them.  it would kind of cover our butts and place a little responsibility on
them.  what do y'all think?

dena

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 09:35:13 -0700
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: rainy day records
x-to:         helen albans <halbans@dca.gov.au>
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> i just tried emailing them on the mindspring address and it bounced. anyone
> know why? i want to see their list of ig stuff. anyone know if there's a
> new email address?

rainy@conch.net

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 13:19:50 -0400
reply-to:     rich benson <cobweb@grove.ufl.edu>
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comments:     grove thinks this came from [128.227.182.95] [128.227.182.95]
              (hop 0)
from:         rich benson <cobweb@grove.ufl.edu>
subject:      nigc - raine?
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hey--sorry for the bandwidth--but has anyone heard from raine lately?

if you're out there, write me!

rich benson
',,'',,''
cobweb@grove.ufl.edu
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these are ghosts and mirages,
these thoughts of fairer weather
though it's storming out
i feel safe within the arms of love's discovery
                -e. saliers
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 13:29:02 edt
reply-to:     mark sloan <s-msloan@bss1.umd.edu>
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from:         mark sloan <s-msloan@bss1.umd.edu>
organization: university of maryland,college park
subject:      re: shirts, shirts and more shirts!!!
in-reply-to:  <19970925130855z16439-16339+128@brimstone.netspace.org>

hey y'all,

how's this for an idea:  we all make our own shirts and trade them
like boot tapes.

mark "the idea man" sloan

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 13:34:06 -0400
reply-to:     andi <ablipman@sas.upenn.edu>
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subject:      my ig webpage & mm donations
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first of all, i'm in the process of fixing up my ig webpage.  i want my
links section to include every ig page out there, regardless of how much ig
content there is.  i've listed a lot, but if your page (or one that you
know of) isn't listed, please let me know the url & title.  i don't have
them organized in any specific way, but i hope to fix that eventually.  i
also put up some reviews of ig shows that i posted to the list a while ago.
i stole some backgrounds from people, but i don't remember who, so if it
was you, & you object to this, please let me know.  (or, if you just want
me to give you credit for the background, let me know & i can do that too.)
also, i just scanned in some pictures from the scranton lilith fair, &
others of mm, & those are up there too.  the pictures of ig are linked from
my ig page & from my pictures page, & the other pics are linked from my
pictures page.  my url is in my sig.

second, i just wanted to put in a plug for donations for michelle malone.
she is an amazing musician, a wonderful performer, & just an all around
cool person.  she could really use donations to defray the high costs of
surgery.  and if you don't have any of her cd's, go buy some now!  the new
one, beneath the devil moon, is especially amazing!  if you have any
questions about the donations, e-mail alison at alisont@netcom.com.

andi

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 12:36:09 -0600
reply-to:     joey joe joe junior shabidoo <feiaj01@tigger.stcloudstate.edu>
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>____________________forward header_____________________
>subject:    cookies
>author: todd surette
>date:       9/24/97 12:43 pm
>
>
>
><< read this...from a woman who was clearly ticked off for good
> reason...looks like it could be a good recipe...
>
> my daughter & i had just finished a salad at neiman-marcus cafe
> in dallas & decided to have a small dessert. because both of us are
> such cookie lovers, we decided to try the "neiman-marcus
> cookie". it was so excellent that i asked if they would give me the
> recipe and the waitress said with a small frown, "i'm afraid not."
> well, i said, would you let me buy the recipe?  with a cute smile, she
> said, "yes."  i asked how much, and she responded, "only two fifty,
> it's a great deal!" i said with approval, just add it to my tab. thirty
> days later, i received my visa statement from neiman-marcus and it
> was $285..00. i looked again and i remembered i had only spent $9.95
> for two salads and about $20.00 for a scarf.  as i glanced at the
> bottom of the statement, it said, "cookie recipe - $250.00." that's
> outrageous!!  i called neiman's accounting dept. and told them
> the waitress said it was "two-fifty," which clearly does not mean
> "two by any *possible* interpretation of the phrase. nieman-marcus
> refused to budge. they would not refund my money, because according to
> them, "what the waitress told you is not our problem. you have already
> seen the recipe - we absolutely will not refund your money at this
> point."
>
> i explained to her the criminal statutes which govern fraud in
> texas, i threatened to refer them to the better business bureau
> and the state's attorney general for engaging in fraud. i was basically
> told, "do what you want, we don't give a crap, and we're not refunding
> your money." i waited, thinking of how i could get even, or even try
> and my money back. i just said, "okay, you folks got my $250, and now
> i'm going to have $250.00 worth of fun."  i told her that i was
> going to see to it that every cookie lover in the united states with an
> e-mail account has a $250.00 cookie recipe from neiman-marcus... for
> free.
>
> she replied, "i wish you wouldn't do this." i said, "well, you
> should have thought of that before you ripped me off, and
> slammed down the phone on her.
>
> so, here it is!!!  please, please, please pass it on to everyone
> you can possibly think of.  i paid $250 dollars for this... i don't
> want nieman-marcus to *ever* get another penny off of this recipe....
>
> (recipe may be halved.):
> 2  cups butter
> 4  cups flour =20
> 2  tsp. soda
> 2  cups sugar
> 5  cups blended oatmeal**
> 24 oz. chocolate chips
> 2  cups brown sugar
> 1  tsp. salt
> 1  8 oz. hershey bar (grated)
> 4  eggs
> 2  tsp. baking powder
> 2  tsp. vanilla
> 3  cups chopped nuts (your choice)
> ** measure oatmeal and blend in a blender to a fine powder.
> cream the butter and both sugars.  add eggs and vanilla; mix
> together with flour, oatmeal, salt, baking powder, and soda. add
> chocolate chips, hershey bar and nuts.  roll into balls and
> place two inches apart on a cookie sheet.
> bake for 10 minutes at 375 degrees.  makes 112 cookies.
>
> have fun!!!  this is *not* a joke --- this is a true story..
> ride free, citizens!
>
> please send this on to everyone you can think of, its not a
> joke!  its also a great recipe!>>
>******************************************************************
>
>
>
>
>
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 13:55:23 -0400
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from:         susan burk <sooz911@aol.com>
subject:      nigc-seattle sarah mclachlan tickets

looking to buy 2-4 tickets to the seattle sarah mclachlan show. if you are
selling, please e-mail me privately.

thanks..
susan

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 14:04:54 -0400
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please check this out:

<http://www.yahoo.com/society_and_culture/mythology_and_folklore/urban_legen
ds/neiman_marcus_cookies/>

i've seen it hundreds of times in my years on the 'net.  this is from the
list faq (and most lists i'm on have similar policies, please check before
sending this junk to others):

13) avoid hoax emails, cross-posts, chain letters, etc.  there are a few
hoax emails that are constantly being forwarded around the internet.
obviously, if you are sent one of these, do not forward it to the mailing
list.  some of the most common hoaxes are:    - warnings about viruses
called "pkzip.300";, "penpal greetings"; and "good times";    - a request
for "get well" cards for a young boy with leukemia    - a message
purportedly containing a recipe for mrs field's cookies    - various "get
rich quick"; and "make money fast" schemes.

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 14:19:11 -0400
reply-to:     "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      re: ugh! that bogus cookie recipe
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at 2:36 pm -0400 9/25/97, joey joe joe junior shabidoo wrote:
>>____________________forward header_____________________
>>subject:    cookies
>>author: todd surette


(pulling hair out)   aaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!  it's that bogus cookie recipe again!

sherilyn, please make the following change to your sig file:

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joni  :o)
(who's happy her picture is not wallpapered all over liz turcotte's home
page like anj, karen and susan....)

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 15:48:56 -0400
reply-to:     sb <sharonb@geocities.com>
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hi.  did anyone happen to make a boot of the columbia, sc concert?  if
so please email me, i desperately want a copy because i attended this
show.

thanks so much,
sharon

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 17:07:44 -0400
reply-to:     jillian.certo@oberlin.edu
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from:         jill certo <jillian.certo@oberlin.edu>
subject:      re: ugh! that bogus cookie recipe
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what the heck is that cookie thing?  i'm new to this whole info
superhighway thing.
jill

on thu, 25 sep 1997, joan m. cyr wrote:

> at 2:36 pm -0400 9/25/97, joey joe joe junior shabidoo wrote:
> >>____________________forward header_____________________
> >>subject:    cookies
> >>author: todd surette
>
>
> (pulling hair out)   aaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!  it's that bogus cookie recipe again!
>
> sherilyn, please make the following change to your sig file:
>
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> joni  :o)
> (who's happy her picture is not wallpapered all over liz turcotte's home
> page like anj, karen and susan....)
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 14:19:38 -0700
reply-to:     jim gates <fugitive@primenet.com>
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hi y'all;

just wondering who on the list will be at the hte show in vegas and if they
would like to meet before/after the show at the hard rock bar?  i will be
in vegas from mon - wen so if you like my gt idea or have one of your own
let me know.  but first we have to survive nora :-0


jim gates

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 17:24:54 -0400
reply-to:     sb <sharonb@geocities.com>
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subject:      re: list shirt?
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if we put "indigo-girls@netspace.com"  somewhere on it, would that be a
copyright violation?

sharon

barb & twink wrote:

> hey all!
>
> gotta drop my 2 cents in here...
>
> what would be wrong about using some of the most popular quotes
> (that we use as our sigs.. not lyrics... but stuff they said on boots or
> at shows?) from amy & emily?
>
> there names aren't copywrited, are they?  i mean amy ray & emily
> saliers... not indigo girls.  or put them as a.ray & e. saliers?  i
> certainly doubt these are copywrited!
>
> any suggestions?  the map idea is cool too... or the crayon thing... we
> could maybe incorporate that on the front & quotes from each on the
> back?
> what do y'all think?
>
> perhaps we should all vote on best quotes, if we decide to do that?
>
> just an idea...
>
> twink! :p
>
> **********
>    amy:  "i'm always kickin' things over!"
>  emily:  "you're so rowdy!"
>    amy:  "sprawlin'... flailin'..."
> **********
>
> p.s. -  lisa... great idea... i (for one) don't have one list shirt and
>         would love to get one!  thanks for getting a discussion started!
>
> :)
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 17:36:30 -0400
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i stopped home today (my home is about 1/2 hr. from my school) to get my
mail and almost passed out when i saw, there in the pile, a big
multi-colored enveloped from the advocate (a well-known gay magazine, for
those of you who didn't know.  but i guess if it is well-known, you'd
already know that.  so maybe it's not so well-known.  okay, it's just
known for being a gay magazine.  that's the point).  seems they wanted to
give me a free trial offer.  and they wanted to announce this in a very
conspicuous way.  only one small problem:  my parents do not know (well, i
hope they don't) about my, uh,...affiliation, er...with that, uhm,...
community.  i cannot believe such a magazine would do such a thing.  i was
absolutely mortified.  i think somehow, someone's put my name on a
"rainbow-themed" mailing list. (i know things like that happen.  i once
ordered a natural choice catalog and thus ensued a barrage of seventh
generation, the nature company, good earth, and other similar catalogs.
they just keep sendin' you stuff they think you'd want).  the last time i
went home, there was a tzabaco catalog, a company that calls itself "the
modern general store".  it had a front photo of two men and a woman; upon
closer inspection of the photo, one could see that the two men were gazing
at each other.  i looked thru it, and sure enough, it was a gay-owned
company.  while my initial reaction was "wowee!  a gay clothing company!",
my next thought was, "oh my god, i hope my parents didn't flip through
this!"  and my last thought was, "how did they get my name?  how did they
know?"
can somebody out there please help me?  why is this happening to me?  and
how can i stop it before some company unwittingly exposes me before i'm
ready?  this is a living nightmare. *crying*
jill

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 17:50:14 -0400
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i have just received word that the cookie recipe is copyrighted
material!!

do not i repeat do not attempt to print that on a t-shirt!

the pillsbury dough boy will sue your buns off if he catches you!! (not
that he can run that fast.....)

this has been a waste of bandwidth, public service announcement!

cybernot

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 18:12:27 -0400
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subject:      re: russel carter-golly gosh!

<< .when the list got together to organize the gift of time and the donations
for billings house, i sure wouldn't have complained about getting a form
letter telling us that the gifts had been received. i can understand that a
star doesn't have time to write to each fan out there, but to write one or
two letters to thank hundreds of fans at once...or get your management to
mail out one form letter that will reach so many people at a time...it really
doesn't seem that hard. >>


i am shocked & disgusted with amy, emily, and the mgmt that they did not give
any response to these gifts.  i had no idea that y'all had never received an
acknowledgment from any of them.  i wish i had known about this when i saw ig
at shea's.  instead of spending a few minutes chatting with amy about
danielle howle, i would've been bitching her out for being rude and a
hypocrite (assuming, of course, that she knew about the gifts in the first
place).  i agree there is no excuse for ignoring a gift that had involved the
time and efforts of such a large group of people.
as urvashi said, all they needed to do was have someone on the staff at rcam
type up a form letter.  how tough is that for christ sake!?!

because i enjoy their music, i will still buy their cd's and enjoy a concert
when i have the opportunity to attend, but my overall feeling about them has
just been drastically altered.

in the words of sally field from *steel magnolias*

    i just want to hit something!  i want to hit it hard!

shattered...
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 15:24:00 -0700
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hey everyone,

in the midst of all this weirdness on the list, i thought i'd ask if
anyone saw the mad about you season premiere.

what did they name the baby?  i saw all those commercials for it, but then
i missed it because i was at a james mcmurtry show.  ;)

mail me privately, please.  thanks in advance!

happy day,

carolyn

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 18:42:17 edt
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i know its too late to have everyone listen but did anyone else catch the girls
on npr today (i heard it around 6 in nc) - they were terrific.  talked mostly
about how they are really polar musically, how they compliment each other.
also how deep down emily wants to be writing the songs that amy writes.  emily
talked about her piano ballad and learning to play the piano (does the talent
never end) .....that was cool.  also talked about life on the road and how to
balance home and job.  i think they both agreed that life on the road kept them
balanced most of the time.

it was great - so what did everyone think?

fyi - i thought this was cool (its interesting to know why they write the
lyrics they do - aside from just being terribly gifted)....seems leeds came out
of notes emily took while on tour in europe.

other thoughts about the interview -  b

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 18:53:21 -0400
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has anyone out there ever seen "it's a mad, mad, mad, mad world?"  there's a
scene toward the end where the entire cast is in santa rosita park in
california looking for $350k buried "under the big w" but no one knows what
that means and none of them can find it.  then, one of the group who is not
looking for the money looks up from a water bubbler after having taken a
drink and all of a sudden, she sees it...the big w....four trees growing
diagonally such that they form a w.....

...so there i was....standing in front of my entertainment center wondering
where i could possibly look next for my lost 1200 curfews brown cd...just
staring into space....and then i saw my "big w..."  i was staring at my
portable cd player noticing how dusty it was...thinking "jeez...i need to
dust that...haven't used it in a long time....since....the...great....
woods....tailgate...party!   oh my gawd!"   i stopped, said another prayer
to st. anthony, and pushed the "open" button....

there it was!  my missing 1200 curfews cd!  yay!

   \o/
    |
   / \

so, guess what i'm listening to this weekend?  :o)

thanks for all the positive thoughts....it worked!

p.s. to liz who told me to look in every cd player i own....it's the crs...
i forgot about that one.... ;o)

have a good nite everyone and thanks again!
joni :o)

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 18:54:58 -0400
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they named it mabel.

mark

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------- quote   ---
i know its too late to have everyone listen but did anyone else catch
the girls on npr today (i heard it around 6 in nc) - they were
terrific.
------ end quote ---


arrrrg!!!

for those of you like me who missed it....  i will assume the
interview was on all things considered because of the time involved.
if so, then the program will be archived on the net (starting
tommorow) in real audio format.  point your browser at
"http://www.npr.org/programs/atc" and follow the links.  they run one
day behind, so if you click on "listen to the latest show" friday,
you'll get the run down for the show that aired on thursday...


                        still ticked i missed this,

                                  chris

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 19:02:17 -0400
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hey all-

re: jill certo's "gay mailing list" problem...

computers & the internet are wonderful things. it wouln't be as big as
it is if there wasn't *a lot* of $$$$ in it. you know those ads on all
those cool web sites you surf - that's the tip of the iceberg. but, you
say that doesn't affect me. "cookies". that's how it affects you. that's
how businesses & advertisers find out info about who's interested in
what. direct mail response is an enormous industry: how to find
potential customers for your product; how you can appeal to potential
customers. their job used to be a lot harder - but thanks to the
internet - it's getting easier. everytime you accept a web site's
"cookie" (particularly an avertiser's "cookie") - you allow somebody,
somewhere the opportunity to make money off of you (depending on the
type of "cookie"): by finding out your name; address; type of computer
you have; your isp (commercial, school, corporate, priv. org., etc);
your interests (where you've been surfing); etc. they take the info, add
it up, crunch it, & they can then tell a frighteningly significant
amount of info about you. is all this legal? yep, so far it is & it's
getting bigger all the time.

how can you stop it...? well, once they've got your name & personal info
- they've got it. you can try to limit the info by: never accepting
"cookies"; never buying anything on-line; never buying anything from a
catalogue; never subscribing to magazines; never responding to an ad
received in the mail.

there is an address you can write to (i think it's the direct marketing
association or something like that) - to request that direct mail
marketers remove your name. however, not all marketers belong or
co-operate, and they don't really remove your name from their lists -
they just put it on another list for people who don't want direct mail
advertising.

i'm sorry this is so depressing & sounds so unfair - but it's reality,
and reality isn't always fair. but more than that - it's business, and
businesses who concern themselves with fairness - don't usually stay in
business.

okay... sorry for the depressing waste of band-width - i just had to get
that out... i'll go back to mailing atlanta maps now... btw - i love all
the t-shirt ideas - i hope some artistic & willing soul does it...

peace...
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 16:12:09 -0700
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hey everyone,

i now know that the baby's name is mabel.  thanks to all who answered.

;)

happy day,

carolyn

p.s.  go see shawn mullins!

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ummm...could someone tell me what npr is?

thanks,
sharon

becky steele/ventana wrote:

> i know its too late to have everyone listen but did anyone else catch the girls
> on npr today (i heard it around 6 in nc) - they were terrific.  talked mostly
> about how they are really polar musically, how they compliment each other.
> also how deep down emily wants to be writing the songs that amy writes.  emily
> talked about her piano ballad and learning to play the piano (does the talent
> never end) .....that was cool.  also talked about life on the road and how to
> balance home and job.  i think they both agreed that life on the road kept them
> balanced most of the time.
>
> it was great - so what did everyone think?
>
> fyi - i thought this was cool (its interesting to know why they write the
> lyrics they do - aside from just being terribly gifted)....seems leeds came out
> of notes emily took while on tour in europe.
>
> other thoughts about the interview -  b
>
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evidently, most of you have actually met amy or emily (how do you do
that???) so you might not be all that impressed with my excitement over
what happened at the sc concert.  nevertheless, i'm going to tell you
anyway.  :-)
by the way, it was great meeting  you pam, even for a brief minute.  i
hope at the next ig concert i go to i will be able to hang out with
other listees for a longer while...
you know what?  pam came to my seat (hope you don't mind me telling this
story, pam) and called "sharon from the list" and i told her who i was,
etc.  well, the lady behind us was beyond drunk and several times during
the concert would lean forward and talk to my friend and i and she kept
saying "hi sharon-from-the-list!"  she thought it was the funniest
thing.  i thought it was pretty funny myself--her, that is.  she even
asked me what the list was and i told her and she said "oh, i thought it
was some list of people who were coming out as lesbians at the indigo
girls concert."  the poor woman was really, really drunk.  i just kinda
humored her.  it was really funny, though.  luckily i don't get
embarrased too easily!

uh, oh....i'm digressing.  back to my story:
well, when amy and emily came to collect the cards, i was thrilled that
amy came on my side (sorry, i have favoritism towards amy).  then, to my
surprise, she came right up the isle that was really close to me and
while everyone was trying to talk to her, etc., i yelled to her (she
was, maybe, 4 feet away from me) "amy, i love you!"  and she turned and
smiled at me!!  this just made my day.  i'm sure it's not that exciting
for most of you, but to have amy 4 feet away and smile at me was just
incredible.  i wish i could have thought of something profound to say
instead of just "i love you" but, it was all i could think of at the
time, with amy that close to me.

well, that is my pathetic story.  just thought i'd share it with you
guys.

sharon

p.s.  can one of you hundreds of lucky people who have actually met amy
or emily please tell me how???  we even waited for them by their busses,
but they ended up riding away in a black ford explorer with tinted back
windows so we couldn't really see them.  and the security guard wouldn't
let us near them when they were getting into the car.

well, if you've read this far, i feel sorry for you and congratuate you
for making it through all my rambling!!!

bye,
sharon

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 19:16:52 -0400
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subject:      dc event wheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

first of all, i'd like to say a big fat thank you so much! to dana, who liked
my plea and donated one of her passes to the no-nukes reception in dc to
little old me:-)

so...i met them!  wow. wow. wow.  such a great time.  a&e were so very nice
and took pictures w/us and all that good stuff.

and...amy was oh so great to talk to us youngsters (who had all weasled in
w/o paying the $150 fee...) for quite some time (she said,"this looks like
the rowdy crew...") and she took a demo from my pals peyote circus (look for
them...they kick booty)...

i could go on and on and on and still not convey the feelings adequately, so
i'll just say this: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

thanks for listening.
-jen

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 19:37:20 -0400
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subject:      hte on headline news...

hey i know that someone posted this morning about a spot on the hte tour that
ran during a cbs morning show earlier today.  well i just caught something on
headline news that may or may not have been the same thing.  there was the same
clip of shame on you live, but also several different comments from amy and at
least one from amy as well as shots of the girls and bonnie at what looked like
the press conference where they were presenting the cards they had collected
during the tour.  it sounded like there may have been more footage on this spot
than the other one.  but anyway, if you have headline news you'll know that it
runs practically the same clips over and over every half hour.  so if you tune
in about a quarter to the hour, or a quarter after for the entertainment section
of their report, you can probably catch it several more times today.  check it
out!


marivel

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my luck must really suck.  first, they don't even have a meet and greet thing
after the show i went to and then, i can barely get a glimpse of them as they
leave.  how do they choose which shows to do these receptions at and why do they
sometimes talk to the people waiting by their busses and other times they don't?
:-(

depressed,
sharon


jen fordyce wrote:

> first of all, i'd like to say a big fat thank you so much! to dana, who liked
> my plea and donated one of her passes to the no-nukes reception in dc to
> little old me:-)
>
> so...i met them!  wow. wow. wow.  such a great time.  a&e were so very nice
> and took pictures w/us and all that good stuff.
>
> and...amy was oh so great to talk to us youngsters (who had all weasled in
> w/o paying the $150 fee...) for quite some time (she said,"this looks like
> the rowdy crew...") and she took a demo from my pals peyote circus (look for
> them...they kick booty)...
>
> i could go on and on and on and still not convey the feelings adequately, so
> i'll just say this: mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> thanks for listening.
> -jen
>
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 20:34:57 -0400
reply-to:     nancy humphries <nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com>
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i remember you can get a transcript or a copy of the radio broadcast of
npr's 'all things considered.' i got a transcript a couple of years ago
by calling a 800-number and sending in a couple of dollars. i'll see if i
can find the number for them and post it to the list.

n.


nancy humphries
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anyone know which (if any) dar williams album contains a song entitled
"all my heroes are dead" ?

                         thanks,
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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 19:59:27 -0500
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subject:      all the rcm stuff...

as i was reading through one of the varoius posts (while complaining to
my friend about how much the ig fan club stinks as she goes on about
how good the melissa etheridge fan club is)>  and they were saying how
the girls do all this stuff for their huge causes (which is fabulous),
but it brought to mind a classic quote from the musical, hair:
especially people who care about strangers, who care about evil, and
social injustice.  do you only carer about the bleeding crowd, how
about a needing friend.
    okay a little far fetched, but it's what came to mind.
        speak true,
            leah

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 21:16:11 -0400
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on thu, 25 sep 1997, nancy humphries wrote:

> i remember you can get a transcript or a copy of the radio broadcast of
> npr's 'all things considered.' i got a transcript a couple of years ago
> by calling a 800-number and sending in a couple of dollars. i'll see if i
> can find the number for them and post it to the list.
>

        nancy-i'll save you the step...i work at a public radio station
and have to go in tomorrow anyway...i'll go in the morning and find out
the number and post it for y'all.  i'm bummed it missed it too...i think
i'll be ordering it too!  :)


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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 21:37:37 -0400
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subject:      complicated girls and other things

hey all,

i was in my fave cd store today and found both complicated girls (what a
hoot!) and uptown girls.  there is another copy of complicated girls for $24,
as well as the australian digipak shame on you (which also has ctf, least
complicated, and bury my heart from 1200 curfews) for $11.  perhaps these are
pretty easy to find, but if anybody is dying for either of these and they are
still available, i'll try to pick them up for you.  just wanted to pass along
my happy ig day :-)

pam

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in a message dated 97-09-25 18:17:03 edt, kef1330@aol.com writes:

<< << .when the list got together to organize the gift of time and the
donations
for billings house, i sure wouldn't have complained about getting a form
letter telling us that the gifts had been received. >>

wow, there's my answer.  i've been wondering about this for some time.  i had
an inkling into this mentality around the time of amy's interview about rdr
where she came across very arrogant imho about the whole issue of rdr selling
their early stuff.  this really is a big lapse in judgment on their parts if
you ask me.  and i agree - regardless of loyalty, if they didn't essentially
support what rc mgmnt does for them, they'd go elsewhere.  i hate to say it,
but the girls just went down a notch, from supreme goddesses who have the
total lock on life's big secrets, to mere mortals trying to manage a career.

this has been a bad week for the harsh realities of life, ya'll

bonnie

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npr puts entire shows online using real audio one day late...so go to this
site tomorrow and cross your fingers!


http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/

dave

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we are fortunate ones, fortunates ones, i swear."
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>date:    thu, 25 sep 1997 12:36:09 -0600
>from:    joey joe joe junior shabidoo <feiaj01@tigger.stcloudstate.edu>
>subject: $250 cookie recipe

>> have fun!!!  this is *not* a joke --- this is a true story..
>> ride free, citizens!
>>
>> please send this on to everyone you can think of, its not a
>> joke!  its also a great recipe!>>
>>******************************************************************
it is a joke!!!!


sari, who is sick of seeing the cookie recipe in her mailbox!

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subject:      re: warner theatre, dc

<< the crowd was reserved, but that's exactly what i expected at warner
theater -- they rarely have rock shows and when they do, they exercise
strict crowd control (were you at the ani show there a year or so ago?  what
an amazing job they did controlling that one!).  what i didn't appreciate is
how disrespectful the crowd was of john trudell.  not my cup o' tea either,
but a lot of people were loudly *making fun* of him and laughing.
unbelievable. >>

i agree. we were a little late due to circumstances out of our control, i had
a field hockey game, had to eat and the metro takes a little while. when we
go there this guy was very rude because we were like 10 min. late and made a
nasty sarcastic remark about missing bonnie  raitt. when we finally found our
seats cause it was so damn dark and there were people who didnt belong in our
row, he sat next to me and talked the whole time through john trudell and ig.
it was upsetting. but i did get to talk to the girls  later on after the
collection while russell carter was getting us something, so that was enough
to make my whole week !!!!

peace
sasha

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bonsoir kind friends!

well well! i'm back on the list, y'all! it gave me warm fuzzy feelings to
see the old familiar names in my inbox .. ahhhhh :) probably no one knows
me, but i'm feeling all happy and therefore thought i'd annoy you all. i
signed off the list last spring due to some busy stuff going down with work
and stuff (plus i was kind of indigo-ed out.. can you believe it? i
couldn't!), and hadn't signed back on until now, after a major change
(moved from atlanta to dc, death of my would-have-been father-in-law, new
job) just in time to see rich benson's msg about "anyone seen raine?"
(email me!!) and miss the dc concert :(

well here i am, the thought has occurred to me that there might be a few
folks out there i might owe stuff too. i hope not, but you know, it happens
sometimes. i can only think of one, alison taub (email me!!) but send me an
email if i do ..

and since i'm wasting bandwidth already, to steal from audrey beth stein's
web site, here's my "looking for you" list:

-the girl i chatted with in line to get ig signatures in front of tower
(sorry i cant remember your name.. racked the brain, it's not there.. gotta
get me a new brain)
-the guy who stayed in my apt from one of the carolinas (how's the
gaelic-named baby?)
-the sister of the guy who stayed in my apt who also stayed in my apt and
is of the race that knows joseph (2400 cartwheels if you know the reference)
-rich benson who told me my hair is red
-alison taub who traded mucho stuff with me and to whom i owe a debt
-linda napikoski who got lost in cuba
-leah holmes whose address i lost
-anyone else who cares to write :)
-the folks from my loopteedoo tape *we rocked*
-anyone in the dc metro area that wants to clue me in on some neato places
to see, or wants to hang
-anyone out there that plays on hsx

just a little thought on life, the universe, and everything: 42.

some thoughts you can contribute: what to put on my license plate (it's a
huge fad in va, i swear) and what to register for my domain name (note:
send to me only please)

ok, c'est toute.. wow.. i'm back on the list :) :)

merry thursday,

raine

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all my hereos are dead is a dar song...it is from one of her earlier
albums that you can not find on cd.  her web site has a place you can
order that.

also, npr does have transcripts.  you can order them from the web site or
the 888 number (i forget what it is...)

okay!  ja mata!
:-) karen

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>i was in my fave cd store today and found both complicated girls (what a
>hoot!) and uptown girls.

what are these?

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as to ig being "rich" all i know is that the last time i saw them in
concert, they each changed guitars after just about every song. i know that
they use martin guitart, which start at about a grand a pop. figure there
were around 20 songs performed, times amy and emily, times a grand
(minimum) equals at the very least 40,000 dollars worth of guitars. factor
in that the particular model of guitar a&e have been rumoured to favour
runs about 2500 bucks......that means one hundred thousand dollars worth of
guitars. they have enough money that when little 5 points closed down, amy
tried to buy it. they have enough money that emily put up the start up
capital for the common pond, amy has enough to start up her own record
label, etc., etc., etc.  they have gotten a percentage of every concert
ticket, t-shirt, hat, sticker, album and video you have.  have they got the
same kind of dough as say....bill gates, or michael eisner? no. not by a
long shot. but are they rich? you bet your ass they are, and don't try and
tell me for a minute that they don't know what russel "slimeball as any
other lawyer" carter and his menagement team have been up to.  i myself
have been involved in the music business to a limited extent for a few
years now, and i can tell you in all honesty that things have a way of
getting back to you, one way or another. i still love ig, i still love the
emotion, the harmonies, and the depth of their songs......but i get my fill
of hypocrisy in the rest of my life, and i'm not about to take it from
people i willingly give my money to. amy and emily, if either of you or
mister russel " not helping the image problem lawyers have" carter ever
read this, i want you to know this much: you will still get my money, but
you have lost my respect. which is more important to you?

yours truly,
krista d. paul

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subject:      re: the dumb cookie thing again!!!

>it is a joke!!!!

i don't care if it's a joke or not.  i got this recipe a few months ago
and decided to give it a try.  best darn cookies i've ever had.  so if
you didn't delete the recipe and you like cookies, give it a try.  sorry
to waste bw.  i just don't want people wandering through life without
good cookies.

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hey ya'll,

now here's some good news for those of you with cash for good tickets.
i called the box office today and they referred me to a group called
"citizen alert", and told me they had added 4 rows in the front for
$150.00 bucks a ticket!  that also gets you backstage after the show.  i
got some today in the third row and it sounded like they had seats
spread out thoughout the front section.  their # is (702) 796-5662.

  for those of you who want good seats but don't have quite that much
money, i now have two tickets row j seats 6&7 for sale  (tenth row amy
side, i think!)  for face value plus ticketmaster and hardrock fees=
$148 for the pair.  the only trick is i would probably have to do the
deal once i get to vegas because i won't be able to get to a post office
before monday and that's when my plane leaves.  anyway e-mail if you're
interested or call citizen alert for the backstage pass deal.

i am so excited ig and gambling,  i think i'm going to lose my mind!!!!
woo hooo!!    mel and julie

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it is after three a.m. and i have a 9:30 class in the morning, but i have
to write this first...this whole line of "the ig are hypocrites" has really
bothered me.  i have always respected them and think that they are two of
the best people in the world and all this banter does nothing but cause a
lot of heartache and dissapointment.  who cares if they are rumored, and i
repeat rumored, to be hypocrites.  they still bring inmeasurable joy to my
life and all of yours.

isn't it better to cling to that instead of breaking apart their economic
make-up and debate how money and "success" has corrupted them and their
management skills?  life is way too fragile to begin looking for the "man
behind the curtain" in everything...sometimes you have to just stay
superficial and revel in what joy it gives you.

i love amy and emily...my biggest hope is still to meet and jam with them
one day...i still think they are two of the best because they reach me and
so many others a way that few can.  doesn't anyone on the list feel the
same?  it pains me to think that everyone out there is now floundering on
the loyality line because we have discovered they are "famous" and have
money.


hoping everyone remembers we are foutunate ones,
                alisa


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dear all:

i may have 2 extra tix for the lv show (have to go to pittsburgh,
aghhh!).

anyway, if anyone is interested, pls email me.

they are 11th row &, with tax, i think they're around $70/ea.

melissa

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subject:      re: just business

in a message dated 97-09-26 01:00:32 edt, trp@cdepot.net wrote:

>  russel "slimeball as any
>  other lawyer" carter

ouch!!!!  wow, that's a rough way to start the day.  uh, think you could
watch the broad generalizations based on a career choice?  contrary to
popular opinion, we're not all evil, not all slimeballs.  in fact, i don't
believe that i've ruined even one persons life yet this week, and it's
already friday.

well, that's about all the time i'm gonna give this one, gotta run now and go
kick some puppies or something!!  ;-)

judi

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 12:17:32 +0000
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subject:      go and see this movie.... (nigc)

ok - two good reasons to see "my best friend's wedding" :

1 : at the start the song "wishing & hoping" - a bacarach song -
done by ani difranco - trust me, it's the funniest opening i've seen
in years - and for a few moments i did wonder whether the woman
singing it on screen was ani dressed up.....

2. rupert everett (and most of the cast) singing "say a little
prayer for you" : one of the funniest scenes i have seen for a long
time.

oh yeah ;-), and there's also the fact that it's one of the best
romantic comedies (imho) for a long time - well, since when harry
met sally.....

john.


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so if you want to be someone, it's best to be yourself"

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for anyone interested .....

october

thursday        2nd     mr. henry's               202-546-8412
601 penn., ave., washington, dc                 8:00.-11:00

tuesday         7th       bad habit's                703-998-5808
5444 columbia pike, arlington, va               9:30-1:30

wednesday   8th       court yard cafe   703-533-2828
willston centre ii, 6108 arlington blvd          8-11
falls church, va

thursday        9th       jewish mother             804-740-1400
midlothian location                                          8:00-12:00

friday            10th       warehouse 29             910-333-9333
1011 arnold street, greensboro, nc            10:30-12:00

saturday        11th       club 1919                    540-343-1919
roanoke, va     call for directions                   10:00-1:00

sunday           12th       tba
washington, dc
keep your eyes open for info on this show!!
when i get the final details i will let you know.

friday              17th      hartigans irish pub    704-347-1841
601 south cedar street, charlotte, nc         9:00-11:00

saturday         18th      the hide away             803-328-6630
405 baskin road, rock hill, sc                      10:00-2:00

sunday            19th      all about eve                 919-688-3002
711 rigsbee avenue, durham, nc                 6:00-10:00
a rape crisis benefit.

tuesday          21st      godfrey's                       804-648-3957
308 e. grace street, richmond, va                 8:00-10:00

thursday         23rd      whitey's                         703-525-9825
2761 n. washington blvd., arlington, va        8:00-12:00

friday               24th       hershey bar                 757-853-9842
6117 fewells point road, norfolk, va             9:30-11:30

saturday          25th       grizzly's                          301-599-0505
9544 crain (301) hwy., upper marlboro, md  8:00-12:00

thursday          30th       vienna grill                   703-255-0800
146 maple avenue, east, vienna, va                  8:00-12:00

friday              31st      halloween

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 09:51:52 -0400
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subject:      hello

i am new to this list and just wanted to say hello.  i have only recently
began listening to the indigo girls and i think they are amazing!!!  i am
going to see them on oct 25th in baltimore, md.  i can't wait!!!

tracy

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 10:06:05 -0400
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hey kind friends,

i know many of you will know exactly the feeling i am trying to relate, in
reference to my experience at blacksburg.  you know on camp cookouts,
when you are going to perhaps venture to lug out the dutch ovens,
parnter up, and make a dutch oven pizza?  these things are so heavy, and a
chore to clean; and they take forever, not only to heat up, but to really
cook anything so that it is not doughey in the centre.  you've had a long
week so far, and are exhausted from being on the water all day, or in the
woods-fighting the heat and bugs....and it would just be a lot easier to
make tin foil dinners.
but you decide, what the heck...........let's go for it.

you pull out the ovens, gather the ingrediants, build the fire and let it
heat up and die down, for a good 45 minutes to get the coals just perfect,
in the hole you have already dug.  you and your partner carefully make the
pizza, and the more ingrediants that make it in to the cast iron, the
hungrier you get; and the whiter the coals grow, the happier you are that
you decided to go through with this arduous task...because you remember
now, that the pay off will definitely be worth it.

and it takes an hour and a half longer than you remember it taking last
summer, or even last week, for that matter...and the later it gets, the
more you realized that this pizza is going to be soooooo good.  and finally
about 10 pm, after checking its readiness for the last two hours, you
decide to pull it finally, from the coals, which are beginning to become
frail black sticks:
mere remnants of the logs they were, earlier in the evening.

lifting off the lid, with the bandana from around your neck, as some of the
ashes fly in, you realize that almost everyone else is thinking about
smores at this point (they ate the doughey ones!).  and you pull it out of
the oven and divide it in half, realizing that it is quite crispy and black
around the edges, and you don't dare think about trying to clean that thing
yet.  and the first bite..... late as it is, seasoned with fire dust, and
burnt edges, it is the best bite of pizza you have ever
had..............and it only gets better.......

and you look around after finishing your half, at the peaceful glow of the
faces of your fellow campers, and at the embers: comfortably full, in
apitite, and in spirit.

this was my blacksburg experience. i drove down from canada.
instead of waiting for the fire, i was clicking off the miles;
and instead of dutch oven pizza, it was amy and emily.
but a concert never sounded so good, eventhough i missed the first 6 songs.
and the blacksburg group (and especially lisa for the encouragement to
engague in such whimsey) were all so friendly and welcoming.  thank you
all.
life is good.

deb

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 10:24:28 -0400
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i checked the npr www site - it has the ordering info for the transcripts
& audio tapes of their broadcasts.

phone: 1-888-677-6397 (1-888-npr-news)

mail: npr order center
      p.o. box 4370
      upper marlboro, md  20775-4370

(phone numbers = credit cards
mail orders   = checks/money orders)

the show you want with the igs is "all things considered" date 9/25/97.

you can order an audio tape & transcript for $27.50

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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krista wrote:
>>you will still get my money, but you have lost my respect.

while i can't speak for russel carter himself, i still have an immesurable
respect for amy ray and emily saliers.  these are two people who write
songs, perform and play with their hearts.  if it was only business, folks,
they wouldn't do that.  i have had the pleasure of meeting the two of them
twice and both times i was incredibly impressed with the graciousness and
politeness that they executed towards us as fans.  any performer who would
come out of a venue at 12:30 after doing a show and a interview (and going
on stage straight from the airport) and sign every one of 30-40 people's
things in the snow with no coat deseves my utmost respect!!! (anyone who
waited outside in ann arbor last march 24th knows it was freakin cold that
night)  so i'd just like to say that i still believe that amy ray and emily
saliers are two of the nicest and most caring people in music today. who
cares about their management?

my 2 cents,
rob

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 09:55:52 -0500
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i know it's been, what, daaays, since the new england area has been graced
by a&e's presence, so here are a few more dates to help ease the withdrawal
pains you poor folks must be feeling:

oct 26th  / lowell, ma  / lowell auditorium
oct 28th /  new haven, ct / palace theatre
oct 29th / burlington, vt / u of vermont

deb

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deb reiser wrote:
>
> i know it's been, what, daaays, since the new england area has been graced
> by a&e's presence, so here are a few more dates to help ease the withdrawal
> pains you poor folks must be feeling:
>
> oct 26th  / lowell, ma  / lowell auditorium
> oct 28th /  new haven, ct / palace theatre
> oct 29th / burlington, vt / u of vermont
>

yeah!!! i was just starting to settle back into non-indigo mode thinking
there was no possible way they would be back anytime soon.
deb...you rule!!!

~lynda

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 11:14:29 -0400
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krista paul <trp@cdepot.net> wrote:
>have they got the
>same kind of dough as say....bill gates, or michael eisner? no. not by a
>long shot. but are they rich?

someone said they are "very rich."  i'd guess they're doing as well as your
average ceo, who i would consider rich, not *very* rich.  there are 150
billionaires in the us alone (to put that in perspective: 1 billion dollars
earns at least $2 million dollars interest per week).  i think they ought to
be doing as well as the average ceo, because they have built a great
business for themselves.  how can you possibly begrudge them that with all
of the time and money they donate?

>they have enough money that when little 5 points closed down, amy
>tried to buy it. they have enough money that emily put up the start up
>capital for the common pond, amy has enough to start up her own record
>label, etc., etc., etc.

damn them for reinvesting in their community!

>you bet your ass they are, and don't try and
>tell me for a minute that they don't know what russel "slimeball as any
>other lawyer" carter and his menagement team have been up to.

well, at least we know now where you're coming from.

>i get my fill
>of hypocrisy in the rest of my life, and i'm not about to take it from
>people i willingly give my money to.

hypocrisy is people on this list whining that ig are selfish because they
aren't writing to them or appreciating them (even as ig are in the midst of
the selfless hte tour).

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 11:33:42 -0400
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at 09:55 am 9/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>i know it's been, what, daaays, since the new england area has been graced
>by a&e's presence, so here are a few more dates to help ease the withdrawal
>pains you poor folks must be feeling:
>
>oct 26th  / lowell, ma  / lowell auditorium

lowell!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  omigod, i never in my wildest
dreams thought they'd be playing in my goshdarn backyard.  actually seeing
the indigo girls in the same venue i saw marky mark and the funky bunch.
this is the coolest thing to happen to that godforsaken place since kerouac.
if anyone needs a place to stay i'm all over it.  lowell!!!!  anyone want to
road trip to uvm and conneticut, let me know; i'll probably need a ride....
that has made my weekend.

wildly enthusiastic (can you tell?)
heather
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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 11:45:10 -0400
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from:         "sabrina d. parker" <seca2girl@aol.com>
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please don't flame me!  i just would like to ask ..... can we please focus on
the good things we've all gotten from the indigo girls and their music?
that's what this forum is about.  all the positive aspects.  you know, when
i discovered the music, the soul and the sharing portrayed by these two
beautiful women ... it literally saved my life.  it helped me through surgery
for cervical cancer, has helped survive the break up of a relationship, etc.
all those wonderful things shouldn't be shadowed by the fact that ... oh my
god [or goddess - it's your choice] .... these people are human.  we can't
put them up on a pedastal and then throw rope around their necks and pull
them down just because "she said that he said that she said", etc.

i have really enjoyed this list.  all the funny, touching stories of people
going to concerts, meeting the girls, talking to sully, getting set lists,
getting guitar picks, etc.  [i haven't been to my first ig concert yet, but
i'm absolutely unbelieveably excited about it - even though there are none
scheduled anywhere near me - yet]  i love the debates on the meanings of the
songs, how they've touched other people.  sometimes i agree and sometimes i
don't.  but, you know, guys and gals, i just had to put in my .02 on this
one.  let's stop beating a dead horse and focus on the positive.  i've got
enough negative in my life right now.

and, i'm a paralegal.  and i work for some of the kindest, funniest, most
wonderful attorneys in the world.  they truly care about people - and one
even tells me which station is playing the most ig songs!!!!!

sabrina - albuquerque, nm

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 12:07:43 -0400
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subject:      new england shows...

please tell me where you all got the info for the show at uvm...the uvm
campus ticket store wants to know where i got my info because nobody there
had heard anything.  she said alot of people had called asking about it...
but the school has no clue.

thanks
erin

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date:         thu, 25 sep 1997 12:18:54 -0400
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i found this bit of information from a press release from navarre
corporation (they distribute mm).  the new series "ally mcbeal",
features all of the music of vonda sheppard.  i found this tid bit
of info at the very end of the pr:
additonally, vonda shepard appears this february on austin city limits
as a special guest with the indigo girls.  vonda performs from her album
and sings with the indigo girls on three of their latest released songs.

emily saliers sings vonda's song, "baby don't you break my heart slow"
from vonda's self titled release.

i cant wait for february!!!

marsha

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 12:29:03 -0500
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> as to ig being "rich" all i know is that the last time i saw them in
> concert, they each changed guitars after just about every song. i know
> that
> they use martin guitart, which start at about a grand a pop. figure
> there
> were around 20 songs performed, times amy and emily, times a grand
> (minimum) equals at the very least 40,000 dollars worth of guitars.
> factor
> in that the particular model of guitar a&e have been rumoured to
> favour
> runs about 2500 bucks......that means one hundred thousand dollars
> worth of
> guitars.

if you played guitar for a living, you'd buy the best damn guitar(s) you
could afford, wouldn't you? why begrudge them the fact that they can
afford to buy the best?

> i want you to know this much: you will still get my money, but
> you have lost my respect.

speaking of hypocrisy: why give your money to people you don't respect?

>  i think they ought to
> be doing as well as the average ceo, because they have built a great
> business for themselves.  how can you possibly begrudge them that with
> all
> of the time and money they donate?

agreed. they have earned every penny, and they give back more of
themselves to the world than most of us do. i have the utmost respect
for amy and emily, their music, and how they have chosen to live their
lives.

tracy
th3307@wcu.edu

p.s. hello to the other tracy out there- :) may people avoid confusing
us!

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 11:48:48 -0500
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at 12:07 pm 9/26/97 -0400, erin sue carroll wrote:
>please tell me where you all got the info for the show at uvm...the uvm
>campus ticket store wants to know where i got my info because nobody there
>had heard anything.  she said alot of people had called asking about it...
>but the school has no clue.

the info was gotten from the ig hotline run by the god-forsaken entity that
goes by the name of russell carter artist management ;)

deb

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 12:12:17 -0600
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i must confess;  i sent the recipe purely for my own amusement.  you all are a
terribly predictable group.  i counted more than ten messages scolding me for
wasting bandwidth.  o ye hypocrites, have you learned nothing about spam?

it was a test; it was only a test,
julie feia

p.s.  kudos to all those restrained individuals who passed the test.  i applaud
your logic.

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 13:20:46 -0400
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thought a little levity might be in order... this is from the melissa
etheridge mailing list:

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from: kate blackmon <kblackmon@lbs.ac.uk>
to: etheridge@esosoft.com <etheridge@esosoft.com>
date: friday, september 26, 1997 6:52 am
subject: *etheridge* re: indigo girls question

>hi all ---
>
>> also i have i stupid question (and i'm going to duck now from all the
>> items the ig's fans are going to throw at me..) but which ig is amy and
>> which is emily.  i have the 1st album and boys on the side sound track
>> (also ghost and galaio and tape) but in the pictures it doesn't indicate
>> which is which.
>>
>here's the ig lowdown:
>
>amy is the one wearing cowboy boots; emily is the one wearing
>mascara.
>
>emily doesn't wear glasses; amy doesn't wear hairspray.
>
>amy has bigger feet than emily; emily has more fillings in her teeth
>than amy.
>
>emily has problems with water retention; amy has had problems
>retaining her hair.
>
>neither of them was galileo or virginia woolf in a past life, but
>both of them were fuzzy bear cubs.
>
>only amy could beat both k d lang and melissa etheridge in an
>arm-wrestling match, but both of them could beat dar williams and
>joan baez in tag-team wrestling.
>
>hope this helps! pick your favourite and crossly disagree with the
>supporter of the other!
>
>kate
>
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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 13:51:17 -0400
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from:         "karrie a. bowen" <karrie@ncinter.net>
subject:      russel carter, hypocrisy,
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ok, first i am hitting the russell carter thing....

i have called the fan club.  i have dealt with the rude humans.....
but i also have gotten some information about thiings i needed to know.
in the real world, and in the world of business, people are not there to
please you as much as they are there to make a living.  those people
answering phones probably don't give 2 shits about some fan.  they care
about their check.

in a perfect world, this wouldn't be so. i know this
is stereotyping, and i know this doesn't go for all, but let me point
out some of the obvious examples of this. teachers
would teach because they care, not because you get a summer vacation.
doctors would practice medicine because they want to help others and not
for a huge paycheck, and rock stars would always say that their fans have
made them as popular as they are.

maybe russell needs to fix some of his staff.  maybe, if given the
opportunity, one of us should point this out to russell as he treks across
the east coast and southwest with the girls on the hte tour.  don't attack
the man.  just say, "you know, as someone who has schucked out x amount of
dollars to support these girls in their career, their causes, and what
they say, i am coming to you with a complaint about your business. your
people who answer phones, representing your company, that has your name on
it, have a major attitude, and if i were you, i wouldn't want those kinds
of people representing me."

have any of us stopped to think that the president and ceo of rc, mr. rc
himself, maybe is too damn busy to know that his people treat the fans
like shit on the phone?  that the fan club department isn't doing their
job?  maybe instead of nailing russell to the wall, we should examine that
he is en route to las vegas and the boneheads he has working for him are
running the company right now.  or that he is probably to busy to know
that "joe" in customer serivce is a moron.

and if russell, when you tell him this, says "really?" you tell him, "yes,
and the indigo girls mailing list, a fan base of 1000+ strong, has had
enough, and we are the ones who have flown from australia, driven 16 hours
with no sleep, spent 1000's of dollars on tix all summer, trouped from
columbus oh to jacksonville to support hte, flew from seattle to buffalo,
and put 1000's of miles on 1985 vehicles all summer to come to
concerts.  we are the ones out championing native american rights, gay
rights, chiapas issues, getting involved in leonard peltier, riding
bicycles for aids, donating money we don't have to causes amy and emily
believe in. we do this because we believe in these things and we believe
in amy and emily.  we are their fans, and your company needs to recognize
this. so russell, if you think you can afford to lose us, feel
free to let this crap continue on.  but i think it is a really bad public
relations move."

sermon over.  and if russell says he is looking for a public relations
person, tell him i am available, and i have recommendations, portfolio,
and a college degree in it....  :)


as for amy and emily being hypocritical, i'm sorry, but i don't see it.
haven't any of you just gotten up one day, groaned, looked at the alarm
clock, and whined, "i don't wanna go to work......all i wanna do is sleep
all day and ride my mountain bike, or hang with my buds, or veg in front
ofthe tv..."  but you get up and you go anyway.  now, take that day, and
then, just as you think it is over and you *can* go home, be told  you
have to stay after work, go out to dinner with some business person, and
suck it up because it is your job.  how thrilled would you be?  we are one
facet of their business, and sometimes we forget they are people.  the
life of a rock star isn't easy.  maybe we all think it is, and granted it
is probably better than other jobs, but travel all over america, have an
erratic eating & sleeping schedule, be homesick for "grass and trees" as
emily says it, combined with everyone demanding your attention, and see if
you want to take an occasional day away from all the chaos.  i feel that
way with college sometimes.  sometimes you need to call in sick.

as for saying thank you, if any of you have heard the penn state interview
boot, heather asked them about the money we donated to hte for amy's
b-day, and they were so gracious.  they thanked us, said it was fantastic
of us to do that, and that we are really sweet people.

sorry no one received anything on embossed letterhead.  a simple verbal
thank you wan't enough.

we need to appreciate what we have from these people and quit bitching
they don't give us more.  they give us what they can....music,
inspiration, and maybe the idea to go out and make this world a better
place.  what you do with these gifts is your choice.

enough said-
karrie

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 23:00:31 -0700
reply-to:     omi chandiramani <omi@ip.com>
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david sue wrote:
>
> npr puts entire shows online using real audio one day late...
> so go to this site tomorrow and cross your fingers!
>
> http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/
>

argh! argh! argh! i was crossing my fingers, legs, everything..! but i
think we are out of luck. the chat with a&e is listed on the program
listing, right at the end after the "letters" section:

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/rundowns/1997/sep/atc.09.25.97

but not on the real audio clips page for the latest show. the last clip
they have is the "letters" section:

http://www.npr.org/programs/atc/archives/current.html
(this link will point to another show by the 26th evening.. the sept.
25th show isn't in the archives yet).

i don't believe i missed my favourite band on my favourite radio
station!! argh!!

omi

ps: npr stands for national public radio. listener supported radio
station (ie. no irritating ads, real good talk shows/music, one of the
few sources of good world news here in the us, all my opinion of
course). the organisation is a part of pri (public radio international)
but i'm not sure what pri does worldwide..

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 14:04:51 -0400
reply-to:     joanie <joanie1@ufl.edu>
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hey y'all! last night's show was probably the best ig show i've ever seen.
e&a seemed very energized and happy to be there. the crowd was unbelievable
as far as enthusiam, yet they were very polite during the quieter, slower
songs. jerry and sara were not with them. emily said something along the
lines of (help me if you were there and have the exact quote) "it's just us
tonight. we've been playing with the band for 4 months now and we all needed
a break. y'all gotta help us sing."  last night was the first time i'd seen
them without sara and jerry so i was kinda psyched. they were so into it,
and talked to the crowd and each other quite a bit. amy said "it's weird but
we seem to have more conferences when we're not with the band than when we
are."

i got to talk with emily a little bit when they came out to collect the
cards. i won't go into the boring details of that. i'll just say it was a
thrill of a lifetime. she was very sweet (as if i thought she wouldn't be ;)
) and (dare i say?) looks much better close up and in person ;) needless to
say i was dying being that close to her. on a whim, when i was talking to
emily, i asked her if they'd consider doing watershed and she said, "umm i
don't know about that but we'll see." well, they did it. they played
watershed instead of blood quantum as an encore. the place went wild. emily
said "i heard a few people in the audience request this one, but y'all gotta
help us out."

they changed the set list around a bit actually. i was fortunate enough to
get one after the show and noticed that they'd substituted a few songs. they
left out eiiot :( because they were running out of time. amy kept looking at
her watch. they also played a new song of amy's. i'm not sure what it was
called. i don't think she told us. help! anyone who was there hear what it
was called? sounded really good. she said she's still working on it.

fashion report: amy was wearing that same brown shirt she always wears :(
and jeans. emily had a green shirt that said something about nuclear waste
on it, and green pants. i wish i could remember exactly what the shirt said.
i really wasn't looking at her shirt though ;)

highlight of the show (other than getting to talk to emily and watershed)
for me was scooter boys. i can't even begin to tell y'all how awesome it
was. emily was unbelievable on electric guitar. i was really shocked when
amy didn't break a string. that poor little martin took quite a beating. i'm
praying that someone booted this show. if you did, please let me know. i'll
give you my firstborn whatever.

all in all, damn good show, and damn good crowd.

off to tampa,

jendy

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 14:09:48 -0400
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hey it's me again. i can't shut up. are there plans for a list meet of some
sort in west palm? also, would someone who lives in west palm please be kind
enough to give me directions to the venue? i bought a map but i can't find
the place on it. i'll be going to west palm via the fl turnpike. any help
would be greatly appreciated. i get lost too much in my own town. i don't
wanna get lost in someone else's. thanks so much.

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 14:58:52 -0400
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in a message dated 97-09-26 14:15:04 edt, joanie1@ufl.edu writes:

<< hey it's me again. i can't shut up. are there plans for a list meet of
some
sort in west palm? >>

i don't know about plans for a meet-up, but i'm going to be there with lisa
dupre, so if anyone plans something e-mail me & let us know!! :-)

rick
  who would offer to give directions, but is completely & absolutely
clueless!!

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 15:02:43 -0400
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subject:      delaware (sigc)

hey y'all,

i was wondering if anyone out there had the info on where i could get tix for
the delaware show on oct.24th? i don;t know if the tix went on sale or
not........thannks, sorry for wasting the bw.

ilana

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 11:00:33 -0700
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  i'm not calling ig hypocrites but just because they are involved in
many political causes doesn't mean they're good people. how do you know
that ig isn't getting a nice little cut off the hte tour? remember, being
political activists is part of their image.
  there were many folk-singer/activists in the 70's who showed up to
marches but were completely in the buisness for only the monetary aspect.
they found a marketing nitch and stuck to it(ex. peter yarrow,joan baez).
i'm not saying that ig haven'tdone their bit. maybe they really dostand
by their belifs and really care about these causes. butlet's not be
naive. amy and emily aren't starving political artists!
ben

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 15:21:16 edt
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subject:      dar williams, nigc

hey, does anyone out there know what is a good first dar williams album
to listen to?  ive been hearing people on the list talking about her for
some time, and she is opening for a sarah mclachlan show i have tix for.
id most appreciate your help.  thanks.

-laura

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went to listen to jane sibbery last night...only thing i knew about her was through this list. thanks to all those who posted info about her from time to time. really enjoyed the show but got "full" before she reached the end. very intense! also bought a new cd of hers....a day in the life... for $10. this cd is probably something for a die-hard fan rather than a starter like me.. more about her than music on there and i want a cd with music on it for now. would like to re-sell it for $10 including postage. please privately email me if interested along with your address.
dr. urvashi pitre

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 14:53:26 -0400
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subject:      re: russel carter, hypocrisy,
              and saying "thanks y'all!"-long but needed

that was absolutely eloquent.  thank you for saying what really needed to
be said.

tuesday's child

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on fri, 26 sep 1997 13:51:17 -0400 "karrie a. bowen" <karrie@ncinter.net>
writes:
>ok, first i am hitting the russell carter thing....
>
>i have called the fan club.  i have dealt with the rude humans.....
>but i also have gotten some information about thiings i needed to
>know.
>in the real world, and in the world of business, people are not there
>to
>please you as much as they are there to make a living.  those people
>answering phones probably don't give 2 shits about some fan.  they
>care
>about their check.
>
>in a perfect world, this wouldn't be so. i know this
>is stereotyping, and i know this doesn't go for all, but let me point
>out some of the obvious examples of this. teachers
>would teach because they care, not because you get a summer vacation.
>doctors would practice medicine because they want to help others and
>not
>for a huge paycheck, and rock stars would always say that their fans
>have
>made them as popular as they are.
>
>maybe russell needs to fix some of his staff.  maybe, if given the
>opportunity, one of us should point this out to russell as he treks
>across
>the east coast and southwest with the girls on the hte tour.  don't
>attack
>the man.  just say, "you know, as someone who has schucked out x
>amount of
>dollars to support these girls in their career, their causes, and what
>they say, i am coming to you with a complaint about your business.
>your
>people who answer phones, representing your company, that has your
>name on
>it, have a major attitude, and if i were you, i wouldn't want those
>kinds
>of people representing me."
>
>have any of us stopped to think that the president and ceo of rc, mr.
>rc
>himself, maybe is too damn busy to know that his people treat the fans
>like shit on the phone?  that the fan club department isn't doing
>their
>job?  maybe instead of nailing russell to the wall, we should examine
>that
>he is en route to las vegas and the boneheads he has working for him
>are
>running the company right now.  or that he is probably to busy to know
>that "joe" in customer serivce is a moron.
>
>and if russell, when you tell him this, says "really?" you tell him,
>"yes,
>and the indigo girls mailing list, a fan base of 1000+ strong, has had
>enough, and we are the ones who have flown from australia, driven 16
>hours
>with no sleep, spent 1000's of dollars on tix all summer, trouped from
>columbus oh to jacksonville to support hte, flew from seattle to
>buffalo,
>and put 1000's of miles on 1985 vehicles all summer to come to
>concerts.  we are the ones out championing native american rights, gay
>rights, chiapas issues, getting involved in leonard peltier, riding
>bicycles for aids, donating money we don't have to causes amy and
>emily
>believe in. we do this because we believe in these things and we
>believe
>in amy and emily.  we are their fans, and your company needs to
>recognize
>this. so russell, if you think you can afford to lose us, feel
>free to let this crap continue on.  but i think it is a really bad
>public
>relations move."
>
>sermon over.  and if russell says he is looking for a public relations
>person, tell him i am available, and i have recommendations,
>portfolio,
>and a college degree in it....  :)
>
>
>as for amy and emily being hypocritical, i'm sorry, but i don't see
>it.
>haven't any of you just gotten up one day, groaned, looked at the
>alarm
>clock, and whined, "i don't wanna go to work......all i wanna do is
>sleep
>all day and ride my mountain bike, or hang with my buds, or veg in
>front
>ofthe tv..."  but you get up and you go anyway.  now, take that day,
>and
>then, just as you think it is over and you *can* go home, be told  you
>have to stay after work, go out to dinner with some business person,
>and
>suck it up because it is your job.  how thrilled would you be?  we are
>one
>facet of their business, and sometimes we forget they are people.  the
>life of a rock star isn't easy.  maybe we all think it is, and granted
>it
>is probably better than other jobs, but travel all over america, have
>an
>erratic eating & sleeping schedule, be homesick for "grass and trees"
>as
>emily says it, combined with everyone demanding your attention, and
>see if
>you want to take an occasional day away from all the chaos.  i feel
>that
>way with college sometimes.  sometimes you need to call in sick.
>
>as for saying thank you, if any of you have heard the penn state
>interview
>boot, heather asked them about the money we donated to hte for amy's
>b-day, and they were so gracious.  they thanked us, said it was
>fantastic
>of us to do that, and that we are really sweet people.
>
>sorry no one received anything on embossed letterhead.  a simple
>verbal
>thank you wan't enough.
>
>we need to appreciate what we have from these people and quit bitching
>they don't give us more.  they give us what they can....music,
>inspiration, and maybe the idea to go out and make this world a better
>place.  what you do with these gifts is your choice.
>
>enough said-
>karrie
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maybe its because of the wealth they have been able to accumulate that they can
be so politically active (in such giving ways).  i for one would like to
believe they squirreled away their money - invested wisely and can now reap the
benefits of those actions.  and for them one of the benefits is giving back to
the community, to their fellow musicians and to the land.  we as fans get
benefits too.

you know russell doesn't have to be nice to us (it would be good of him to do
so but .....) but how many times has someone had one of the girls be rude to
them.  someone said it best a while back - they are human with feelings and
emotions and all the baggage that goes along with that.

ok - back under my desk now.....
b

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  i'm not calling ig hypocrites but just because they are involved in
many political causes doesn't mean they're good people. how do you know
that ig isn't getting a nice little cut off the hte tour? remember, being
political activists is part of their image.
  there were many folk-singer/activists in the 70's who showed up to
marches but were completely in the buisness for only the monetary aspect.
they found a marketing nitch and stuck to it(ex. peter yarrow,joan baez).
i'm not saying that ig haven'tdone their bit. maybe they really dostand
by their belifs and really care about these causes. butlet's not be
naive. amy and emily aren't starving political artists!
ben

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 12:46:10 -0700
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> i don't believe i missed my favourite band on my favourite radio
> station!! argh!!
>
> omi

just to let everyone know, since i'm on the west coast, i got the info
in time and was able to get a pretty good recording of the npr interview
by sitting in the parking lot at the y and pointing my recorder at my car
radio (and trying not to mess it up by laughing at myself...).

this was a real "emily" interview - all they song they played and talked
about were hers, she answered all the questions and amy just said a few
short things.

it's only 10 minutes so it doesn't seem worth a whole tape trade, but if
anyone is really really interested, e-mail me and we can work something
out (unless i get swamped with requests).   if anyone has a tape they
were planning to tree with room for an extra 10 minutes on it, let me
know and i can send you a copy to add to your tape.

if i succeed in taping anything worthwhile at the las vegas show, i could
also stick it on that tape, so stay tuned...

"misanthropy, yes, misogyny, no" - peter greenaway
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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 16:24:13 -0700
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aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrrggggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!

hey, i have an idea..lets all post how many shows we went to see....

at least i wouldn't mind a&e reading our opinion on that stuff..last time
i checked they didn't ask us what we thought.....

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 14:25:00 -0700
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sabrina d. parker wrote:

<<can we please focus on the good things we've all gotten from the
indigo girls and their music?  that's what this forum is about.  all the
positive aspects.>>

i couldn't agree more!  perhaps someone should start a russell carter
list to bitch about him and his staff.  then maybe this list could get
back to being ig fans, not detractors.

<<these people are human.  we can't put them up on a pedastal and then
throw rope around their necks and pull them down just because "she said
that he said that she said", etc.>>

amy and emily are two incredible humans -- imho.  how many of us would
give of ourselves so freely and honestly for causes that we believe in
and continue to write such awesome music?  i dare say, not a whole lot
of us.  (i base this assumption on the current condition of the world --
if even half of the population who could make a difference, actually did
-- imagine the impact.)

<<and, i'm a paralegal.  and i work for some of the kindest, funniest,
most wonderful attorneys in the world.>>

i'm a legal secretary and work with some pretty incredible, innovative
and talented people -- some of them just happen to be lawyers.

back to lurking . . . . where i'm content to stay.

donna

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 17:37:45 -0400
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>
> i know it's been, what, daaays, since the new england area has been graced
> by a&e's presence, so here are a few more dates to help ease the withdrawal
> pains you poor folks must be feeling:
>
> oct 26th  / lowell, ma  / lowell auditorium

damn- i'm gonna be in los angeles that day.


> oct 28th /  new haven, ct / palace theatre

i'm game for this! can someoine get me a ticket? i think i need one...


> oct 29th / burlington, vt / u of vermont
man it must suck to live in the midwest..


peace,
mike r.

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at 01:51 pm 9/26/97 -0400, karrie a. bowen wrote:

lots of good things :) actually i had been planning on presenting similar
thoughts, but she beat me to it. still i want to say a few things because i
can't believe what i'm hearing on this list. that isn't to say that i agree
with the folks who requested we just focus on the good things. i've never
agreed with the "can we please get back to the music" sediments that shout
out over the oft repeated "come on people now, smile on your brother
everybody get together try to love one another right now" soundtrack this
list seems to reach for too quickly. we should be able to voice our
disagreements and negative critiques of the world of indigo too, but that
doesn't mean we should toss about unsubstantiated statements either.

i'm still trying to figure out where the "a&e are hypocrites" line of
thinking came from. is it simply because the people who did that last
couple of projects didn't received anything on the embossed letterhead
karrie alluded to? well even ms. manners says a bride gets up to a year
after the wedding to send out her thank you cards ;)

seriously though, it was well reported that amy was extremely appreciative
of the donation given to hte on behalf of her b-day. if tony and mandi are
around they can retell the story of presenting the check to amy in person.
with the gift of time and em's billings house gift, in person presentations
weren't possible. word of those gifts hopefully got to them but we can
never really be sure. the most important thing is that many organizations
benefited from your volunteer hours, and the billing's house got some much
needed cash.

but as one of the folks involved with em's b-day gift and last year's
t-shirt project (proceeds of which went to hte and an aids outreach
program) if the reason for doing the project was to get a personal
thank-you, it was done for the wrong reason. besides, i doubt very much we
are the only fans in the world who do things on a&e's behalves. i would
guess they get numerous, numerous cards and letters that read "your work
prompted me to do this blah, blah, blah." in karrie's perfect world it
would be great if martha stewart worked in russell carter's office and
promptly replied to all the correspondence received, but she doesn't so
we're stuck with what we get.

of course that doesn't mean we should be happy about that. i for one have
attempted to sign up for the fan club about six times over the last 4
years. i have sent emails, left messages on the hotline, you name it, i've
done it. i have never received a single piece of mail from them. but karrie
brings up some excellent points, is russell even aware that he has a
customer service problem? i like the idea of folks bringing this up to him.
hey all you east coasters, you're getting enough shows sent your way, go
for it! russell is a very approachable guy. yes i had a run-in of sorts
with him over the list shirts, but he was very fair about it. he was just
doing his best to protect a&e's property. that's what he gets paid to do.

and as for this a&e are rich and have spent a zillion dollars on guitars so
they have lost my respect crap, come on! since when does doing good deeds
equate with pledging your life to poverty? last i checked, you don't get a
better spot in heaven for dying dirt poor. of course you can't buy your way
there either. from what i can see, amy and emily not only talk the talk,
they walk the walk. they back up their words with their actions. and if
they can earn a decent living while doing so, all the power to 'em.

deb

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 19:21:57 -0400
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subject:      re: russel carter, hypocrisy,and saying "thanks y'all!"-long but

in a message dated 97-09-26 13:56:47 edt, you write:

<< as for saying thank you, if any of you have heard the penn state interview
boot, heather asked them about the money we donated to hte for amy's
b-day, and they were so gracious.  they thanked us, said it was fantastic
of us to do that, and that we are really sweet people.

sorry no one received anything on embossed letterhead.  a simple verbal
thank you wan't enough.
  >>
i'm very glad you posted this info karrie!
that's all i needed to hear.  a simple verbal (and **public**) thank-you *is*
enough as far as i'm concerned.  no acknowlegement at all for something as
special as what y'all did for their bdays would be inexcusable.  after all,
how tough is it to say thank you?

very happy to know that i was misinformed - that there was an acknowledgement
of your (the list members) efforts.  and that was my only beef anyway because
i thought russell was quite polite when i met him and i have never dealt with
his office or the fan club.

amy and emily are now instantly ressurected in my eyes....cause i never hold
a grudge against others, especially when i'm the one who is mistaken!
sometimes i love to be wrong...

cheers!
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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woo, personal opinion time folks. i don't think some of you realize how
insanely selfish and spoiled you sound when you whine about not receiving a
thank you in the mail for donating volunteer time or money. tell me again
why you did it. was it really to get a form thank you letter in the mail?
don't give me any of that "well it would have been nice..." garbage. don't
you have better things to complain about? seriously?

i can think of at least one radio interview where amy and/or emily have
thanked the list for donating money and their volunteer time. does anybody
else remember reading tony/chickenman's account of what happened when amy
was presented with the hte check? i don't know how she and emily could have
sounded more appreciative and awed by the gift. they were so surprised and
grateful. btw, thanks to tony for the awesome report of that night. :)
maybe someone could repost it? amy was quoted as saying it was "the best
birthday gift." (i can't remember if she said that to tony or during
heather's radio interview but i recall reading it and thinking it was a
sweet thing to say.) why is a verbal thank you not good enough?

were amy and emily handed a list of names *and addresses* with their gifts
or something? if they were given a list of addresses i'd be ashamed because
that would be basically saying "send these people a letter, you owe it to
them!" if they weren't given any addresses how the hell were they supposed
to know who to send a thank you letter to? oh, you wanted them to send it
to every single fanclub member? uh, yeah. that is so not realistic.

i remember many moons ago (1992?) when the u2 list wire raised a bunch of
money for the red cross in sarajevo. there wasn't a single person who
complained that they didn't receive a thank you letter in the mail. i
wouldn't have believed my eyes if someone had complained. grumble. nobody
from wire was there to hand the checks over to u2 so we weren't lucky
enough to read a first-hand report of what the guys said and how excited
they were to see the money we had raised. still, nobody whined. hmmmm.
maybe the u2 fans were more concerned about the recipients of their money
than whether or not u2 thought they were swell fans for forking over some
cash? sigh.

kristina

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subject:      las vegas...single tix availble

hi,

i have a single ticket availble
for las vegas, row l, seat 1.

will sell for face...$65

contact me and we can meet up.....

bwb

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> hey ya'll,
>
> now here's some good news for those of you with cash for good tickets.
> i called the box office today and they referred me to a group called
> "citizen alert", and told me they had added 4 rows in the front for
> $150.00 bucks a ticket!  that also gets you backstage after the show.  i
> got some today in the third row and it sounded like they had seats
> spread out thoughout the front section.  their # is (702) 796-5662.


i just got off the phone with the good people at "citizen alert" and they
told me that they did not add 4 rows but rather had bought tickets in the
first 4 rows.  they held on to these tickets for almost a month after they
went on sale so they could sell them for $150.  i am pissed !  i bought my
ticket right at noon when they went on sale and got a seat in the second
row.  i paid $65.00 plus $6.00 tm fee for my seat which i am sure is what
"citizen alert" paid too.  the reason i am pissed is that i thought that
there would be a "meet and greet" for the people in the gold section only
to find out that in order to meet the girls i have to shell out $150 for a
$65 seat to a bunch of scalpers.  if they were going to have any special
seats with backstage passes than they should have been made available the
day the tickets went on sale and not 5 days before the show.  i called the
hrh box office only 2 weeks ago and asked if they knew of any kind of
meeting with the girls and they said no.  i know that this is a fund
raising concert but it blows my mind when i see $65 tickets change to $150
(with a backstage pass) out of the clear blue sky after other people have
bought their tickets, made travel plans and hotel reservations ect only to
find out that the great seat they tought they had, and the hope of meeting
the girls just vanished.  who the hell is "citizen alert" anyway?  i just
might not even go to the f___ing thing after this crap.

btw, mel and julie i am not angree with you but with whoever pulled this
money grabbing stunt and i hope you both have a great time.

thank you kind list members for letting me vent some nuclear steam,
watchout for the fallout ;-)

jim gates

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hi.
i'm sure this has been discussed on the list before, but if someone could
email privately...
i saw a copy of complicated girls in the record store the other day and
the title of the tracks were all weird (how long, nothing to hide)
although i could guess what they were (galileo, fugitive).  anyway, could
someone tell me what's up with that cd and if it's worth it to go back and
getting it for $25?
thanks,
java

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has the number for npr been posted??? if so i missed it, computer mess
up, and could it be reposted??? thanks alot,
  betsy

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a good first dar album would be "the honesty room"

hey!  don't rub in how much it sucks to be in the midwest!  ;-)

:-) karen
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hi guys
just another plea

please do not repost entire messages back to the list when replying to them
as we digestees have to scroll through them over and over again.

thanks
lori

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kerrie,

very well said.

lisa :)

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>man it must suck to live in the midwest..

        not funny. just because i decided to go to school in this part of
the country- uprooted from my nyc home, does not mean i should constantly
be deprived of the indigo girls. what happened? they used to play here.
they play here when i am home on break. did someone make them go to a bears
game or something?


come back to chicago!!!

sari

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one of the most confusing things on this list is that you post one thing
and then others post responses to it and before you know it a third person
has confused what you said with what the others said...

case in point ...statement that amy and emily were called hypocrites
because we didn't receive thank you letters for emily's present (not amy's
present. that was a different issue. those two issues are also confused
somehow.)

aaagghhh!!!! what i initially said was i was disappointed with their and
their office's handling of fans as a whole.. in that post i had also
referred to the disappointment of the tcu student council. notice....no
mention of hypocrites or how much money they make.. personally, i love it
when women go out there and make a ton of money. as much as they tour and
travel, they better be making some!  yes i did mention that we had no way
of knowing whether or not the presents were received and i did say i was
disappointed. i still am. but i don't know that i would say they are wrong
and i am right,,, just that i was disappointed. mainly because i don't even
know if they got that gift or even know of its existence. we may still hear
some day, i hope we do.

this started out as saying that a&e's public relations are badly handled
and i think they should do more about it than they have....even if it means
becoming aware of it. that the rc office staff are rude and unhelpful. that
is all.

so no, the line of "a&e are hypocrites" did not come about because they
neglected to send embossed letterheaded thank you notes. hope this
clarifies things.

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i totally agree with karrie, deb, kristina, et al.  amy and emily are entitled
to make music and earn a living.  sure, they're wealthy - they sell lots of
albums and earn royalties.  what is so wrong with that?  why is it that
people act as if an artist has "sold out" or is greedy or something because
they pursue a career that happens to bring in a high income?  people really
need to examine their line of thinking.  honestly - if anyone is going to
have wealth, shouldn't it be people like amy and emily and other socially
conscious/responsible entertainers, public figures, etc.?  that's where
the wealth in this country *should* be, rather than with less concerned
people like bill gates, and the countless greedy millinaires and ceos in this
country and the world.  amy and emily chose to share their talent with
the rest of the world and pursue a recording/performing career.  they earn
a comfortable living.  they are driven to give back in order to try to make
the world a better place.  yet, there are some people who act as if amy
and emily should take a vow of poverty or something, which i think is really
unfair.  i doubt they could possibly live up to the expectations that some
people have built up.  i wonder if they don't begrudge these expectations
sometimes.  either they're unaware, they're exceptionally thick-skinned and
able to shrug it off, or it really bugs them.  as to thank-yous,
i received a letter from seventh generation fund acknowledging my hte
donation (for amy's b-day), and that, along with hearing amy's backstage
comments is enough for me.  deb's exactly right - if you're making a donation
in order to get a personalized thank you or to try to win favor with amy and
emily, you're doing it for the wrong reasons.  you should donate because
1) you believe in the cause,  2) you want to show your support and make
a donation in honor of amy or emily, or both.
i've never visited russell carter's offices, but i know that he is an
attorney, and i suspect he has a rather small office.  not to be dissing
russell or anything because i've never met or spoken with him, but i wonder
if his staff's attitudes aren't somehow born out of his own attitudes toward
and experience with fans (many of whom have probably been a bit overzealous
and pesty when they call).  he should be told, though, how his staff is
treating people, since the business bears his name.  i doubt the staff would
be rude to promoters, press people, label folks, etc. etc, because those folks
stand to help rcam's flagship artist.  you need to remember that rc's priority
first and foremost is to take care of his artists and clients.  like it or not,
we come second (or third or whatever:)  which brings me to another thought -
rc should consider our thoughts and so forth, but when it comes down to it,
he, a and e make the decisions that impact ig's career - not us.  just because
we buy albums, merchandise, spend money we don't have (i can relate to this:)
going to shows, donating to certain causes that ig support, etc. doesn't
mean we have purchased "stock" in indigo girls, you know?  i agree that we
sometimes act as if they owe us something and they really don't.  i think
they treat us pretty well, actually!  let's give them the space to pursue
their rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.  they're not
martyrs - they're just two really nice, normal, grounded gals who happen to
make inspiring, meaningful music for a living and do immeasurable good works
for their fellow man.  i think they're *overachieving* if you ask me. :-d
lastly, i agree with deb that this list should be a forum for discussing the
good and the bad.  granted, there's not much bad to discuss when it comes
to a & e, but we should be allowed to be candid when we feel the need,
without being flamed for expressing our opinions.

peace,

joan :-d

p.s. - i'm a paralegal too :-d

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 21:34:26 -0400
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from:         j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject:      re: loss of respect...please read (kinda long)

alisa said, among other things:
<<it pains me to think that everyone out there is now floundering on
the loyality line because we have discovered they are "famous" and have
money.>>

thank you alisa you took the words right out of my mouth.  i could care less
about their fan club - and someone said how great the etheridge club is, well
it sucks too.  i'm in it - i should know.  i've had contact with very few
well-run free fan clubs - and we should remember it is free.  quite honestly,
they're not selling themselves to us, they're selling their music and their
message.  and yeah, they're making money doing it.  um, duh!!!!!!!!!!!  if  i
had that kind of talent, i'd be out there collecting the bucks too!

to the person who said something about amy coming across as arrogant when the
whole rdr thing came down - i'm sorry, but if i'd been in amy's position, i'd
have been pissed too.  and i probably wouldn't have reacted as professionally
as she did.  she went through her manager to handle the problem.  i probably
would have had a screaming hissyfit right there in the store.  those
recordings were her personal private property and if they weren't released as
sales, then they shouldnt have been sold.  granted, it would have cost many
of us a chance to hear the really old stuff.  yes, i own bootlegged copies of
these albums.  yes, i will continue to copy them off.  yes, if i had had the
opportunity to buy my own copies, i would have.  does that make it right?
no.

someone mentioned the approximate dollars-worth of guitars that amy and emily
own and use in concert.  so what?  they earned the money.  it's their
responsibility to do with that money what they feel like doing.  if they want
to have 400 guitars apiece, that's fine with me.  it neither harelips me nor
fixes my damaged brain.  if you dont want them to be rich, then don't buy
their albums, dont buy tickets to their shows or merchandise or anything.  i
think it's kind of a given that musicians who are successful on ig's level
and above are going to be financially secure.  so fine - go be a musician.
then maybe you can get rich too.

and lastly, about those accusations of ig being "hypocrites", i have this to
say:  you don't know what their reasons are for doing what they do.  you
don't know what they do in the backgrounds that you never hear about.  all
you know is what you see in concert, on albums and in occasional dealings
with rcam.  you dont know nothing.  i am sick and tired of hearing this!  if
they were such g/d hypocrites, would amy have spent so much time in mexico
helping the zapatista movement?  would they be spending so much time, money
and energy on the hte tour or any of their multitudinous other benefits?  no.
so until you do know, i suggest you keep your lips from flapping.  cause all
you're doing is making people mad, and hurting people's feelings who still
respect the ig despite the nasty, disparaging things that have been said
these past few days on a list made up of "fans."  if you don't respect the ig
or you can't respect your fellow listees enough to keep the nasty things you
have to say to yourself, then get the hell off the list.

my mother used to say, if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at
all.  well, there are many of you who could use a relearning of that lesson.
if you can't be positive about ig, get off the list.  you're as bad as the
people on aol who come into the ig room specifically to tell us how badly ig
suck.  nobody wants to hear the negativity!

i'm done.

flames will be responded to accordingly, and probably in a profane manner.

~~tigger  (ndygotiggr@aol.com)

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 21:36:59 -0400
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from:         "jess m. harbison" <lion532941@aol.com>
subject:      i sit two stories above...

hello all,
  this is my first post and i'll keep it brief, after all breviety is the key
to good writings.  i was wondering if anyone had any personal reflections on
the song least complicated.  i know it was moving to me at a time when i was
fillled with questions and was also an insight into my love's persona.  if
anyone does and would feel comfortable sharing them please reply!!  i also
wanted to say that the ig have played a very important role in my life,
giving me a "soundtrack" of sorts to my life.
that is all,
the elusive lioness
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"come crash into me" dmb
"fare the well my bright star" ig
"sometimes i think you want me to touch you" tori amos
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 22:01:27 -0400
reply-to:     bonnemot@aol.com
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from:         bonnie lacey <bonnemot@aol.com>
subject:      re: on rcam, pedestals and wealth... (long)
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in a message dated 97-09-26 21:28:55 edt, 103161.3515@compuserve.com writes:

<< why is it that
people act as if an artist has "sold out" or is greedy or something because
they pursue a career that happens to bring in a high income? >>

personally, i think you may have misconstrued what people have been saying.
i haven't noticed anyone saying the girls had sold out or were hypocrites,
and if anyone on this list feels that way, i'd be surprised.  however, i
believe it is smart to examine things closely in life, and that's what has
been going on here the past few days.  more than one of you have had negative
experiences in dealing with the fan club and russell carter, and we all agree
that seems to conflict with a and e's "feel the love'" kind of life.  that's
all.  it's just surprising.  but it is absolutely true that the fan club is
free, and you get what you pay for i guess!

i'm just here to tell you that if i were them, i'd be paying more attention
to those aspects of the business.  communications is everything, baby, and
the people who rep. the girls should be doing a better job.  anybody who's in
any kind of business knows that customer relations is the number one job of
the business.

may the catfight continue for ever

bonnie

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 22:19:11 -0400
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just two brief items of interest/perusal:
1)  someone made reference to all the different guitars the girls play on
stage and how this shows off their wealth.  i read in acoustic guitar
player magazine that the reason they have so many guitars on stage (yes,
different guitars for just about every song) is because they're not very
adept/quick at tuning the darn things, so they tune them beforehand and
then lay them all out closeby on stage, where they can do a quick change
of key without standing there spending concertgoers' time tuning them.  so
it's not to flash off their wealth, really.

2)  as for this debate about how they must be sellouts because they make
so much money, ponder this:  ani difranco is probably the highest-paid
musician today, simply because she eliminated any middlemen with righteous
babe records. but i don't hear anyone complainin' about her, now do i?
whatever happened to "women makin' it for themselves"?  from a strictly
feminist, female-positive point of view, we need to stand by them and
support them for what they've accomplished in the male-dominated field of
music.

b-bye
jill

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 21:34:25 -0500
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      best buy deals: ig, james taylor, etc; ig on radio and tv

hey y'all,

i had an indigo day today.  well, most days are indigo
days, but this one was a bit more "blue" than
most others.

two coworkers on two separate occasions at work
today filled me in on some ig appearances that
i didn't even hear about on this list.  (i've been a bit
overwhelmed by all the personal e-mail lately, so i
have to admit i may have missed some posts in
my digests.  if this is the case, forgive me for reiterating.)
i was told that earlier this week, ig
was on npr's all things considered.  my coworker
told me he heard them doing a song, or a song of
theirs was played, but they were definitely interviewed.
any info on this, or better yet, a boot of it, would be
appreciated if it was a full blown npr appearance.

another coworker told me that he saw a snipet on
tv, on one of the news programs, about the hte tour.
they gave news and video showing ig and bonnie
raitt, probably concerning the las vegas show.  any
info on this would be appreciated too.

i was just in best buy today to pick up the new (sept. 23)
joan baez cd called gone from danger.  i'm putting
it in my cd-rom right now......it guest stars dar williams....
joan leads on dar's "february" with dar appearing.
quite cool.  anyway, while at best buy, i figured it was
worth it to browse through the discount cds.  wow!
they had a huge fraction of my cd collection on
sale for $7.99, $5.99, $3.99....it was almost sinful
what i found.  several tracy chapman cds, mary
chapin carpenter, shawn colvin, all cheap, cheap,
cheap!..... nis, strange fire, and the self-titled ig cds
were on sale for $7.99.  what????  good for those people
who need to get a taste of ig, i guess, but
ig is worth more than that!  i also found james taylor's
new moon shine (the one with "the water is wide") for
$7.99.  i got several others too at even better deals.  one funny
one was an import called "tina turner sings country" for
59 cents.  hahahahaha.  i love tina turner!  what a find,
although it is a bit odd.  it says "manufactured in the e.e.c."
what/where the heck is e.e.c.?

one never knows what one will
find in the discount bins at best buy and similar stores.
happy hunting, y'all!  it's always worth the time to look.

oh, that joan baez cd is great so far.  i'd recommend it!
what longevity that woman has!  joan with dar on
"february" puts one helluva tear in my eye.  :,(

lisa

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 22:44:56 -0400
reply-to:     lisalisaa@aol.com
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from:         lisa arthur <lisalisaa@aol.com>
subject:      who is being hypocritical??--long

from what i read on the list at the time, it seemed to me the emily birthday
gift project was a way of helping people and of showing appreciation to emily
for the music the people on the list all enjoy incessantly...

so now some folks are carping because they didn't receive a thank you letter?

seems kind of petty to me and unrealistic and unfair, esp. since at least in
the amy case, she did say thanks when the gift was presented to her.

besides that, if your only reason for doing good works -- or donating money
-- is to get a thank you, you might want to think about that. if you expect
something in return -- even a thank you letter -- your motives aren't really
pure and there's little room to criticize anyone else for being hypocritical.

finally, all this talk about whether these two women are good people is
bizarre and  i could see why they might get creeped out by this list.

unless you have a personal relationship with them, you don't know them. you
know their music. you know their political stance on certain issues. and
maybe you know they were polite to you when you asked for an autograph. no
one here has the right to judge them.   you know, if they make a nike ad and
sell out, then i will be the first to agree they are sellouts. but it seems
to me as rock stars go, these two are very talented, make beautiful music and
bring some attention to groups who sometimes don't have much of a voice --
including gay teens,  opressed indigenous people both here and in central
america, people with aids, and trees and the land. doesn't sound hypocritical
to me.

one other thing: if they were trying to capitalize by becoming political
activists as someone suggested, they took an awfully huge risk by coming out
to the world and risking that they would be dismissed as a gay band. i know
with ellen and all it seems like maybe it's hip to be gay, but that's not the
case. martina navratilova, perhaps the greatest female tennis player of the
modern era, til this day, does not have a single product endorsement. if she
had been straight, you can bet that would not have been the case. (chris
evert is an example of how much martina could have made if she weren't a
lesbian.)  so it doesnt seem they are only in it for the money or they surely
would have stayed in the closet.

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 22:56:18 -0400
reply-to:     lisalisaa@aol.com
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from:         lisa arthur <lisalisaa@aol.com>
subject:      money

i am no bill gates defender, but newsweek just reported he has given about
$41 million to charity, which of course pales in comparison to ted turner's
recent $1 billion donation to the un

wealth does not equal bad, you know. and nothing is black and white.

someone wrote:>>>that's where
the wealth in this country *should* be, rather than with less concerned
people like bill gates, and the countless greedy millinaires and ceos in this
country and the world.<<<

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 23:04:05 -0400
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subject:      help w/ lowell tix?
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hi - would anyone buying lowell tickets for me?  wednesday is
crazy for me.  if you can, let me know and i'll send details.  thanks in
advance for any help.
-sarah

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 23:16:15 -0400
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hey y'all-

on the "how many guitars do a&e have" thread...

um, from what i remember from my concert production class, 9 times out of
10, the artists only own about half the instuments they have on stage.
more than likely, martin gives them guitars to use, because we all know
that they use martins.

it's called endorsement.  good pr move. (insert tongue in cheek here)

and to whomever said it, i agree.....communications is the key.
and while the press, etc. should be treated professionally by rcam, so
should we, because if we didn't buy the ig's stuff, rcam would be sol.
while they have the talent and the music we love, we need to face the fact
that the public relations is what keeps them, the company, and we, the
public, in a reciprocal relationship.  when a company shits on it's
public, usually they pay a damaging price.

i won't ditch amy and emily because of rcam....that's not my speed.
but that doesn't mean no one else will.

by the way, ben, i know that hte is a free tour, because russell carter
himself said it to my face in the lobby of sheas....he said, and i quote,
"this is a perk (meaning meeting them) we reserved for you guys, because
you paid so much money for your tickets. *i mean, this is a benefit
tour...no one's makin' any money here.  and amy and emily just want to say
thank you."*

i believe kathleen may have heard him too....

amyray, i'll shut up now. and urvashi, i understand wanting to know
whether or not em received her gift......no offense to you at all...

peace-
karrie

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 00:28:07 -0400
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from:         michelle reeves <chelle2930@aol.com>
subject:      re: hypocritcal: martina

<snip>
martina navratilova, perhaps the greatest female tennis player of the  modern
era, til this day, does not have a single product endorsement. if she  had
been straight, you can bet that would not have been the case.

<and so michelle said....>
i am not about to get into this discussion other than to ask if the rainbow
credit card would be considered a product endorsement??? cause she does that
ad, big ole picture and all...

michelle

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 22:13:38 -0500
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      ani on hard rock live, 1st ellen episode

i missed both the ani on hard rock live
show and the 1st ellen episode.  can someone
who taped them be so kind as to send
me a copy?  i have many good boots to
trade as well as an extra copy of the
guitar world mag (with jerry garcia on
the cover) that's got a very nice ig article
and pics in it.  other than that, i can
send a blank tape and sase.  please
let me know.

also, i'd love a boot of ig on npr.  darn,
i missed that too!

lisa

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 22:40:10 -0500
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      npr surely charges lots for all things considered tapes

>the show you want with the igs is "all things considered" date 9/25/97.

>you can order an audio tape & transcript for $27.50

holy cow!  if anyone taped this show, wouldn't it be more
in the spirit of this list to get it from listees and boot it off
for others?  yikes!  $27.50 is a lot!  one good thing is
that national public radio could probably use our dough.
i wouldn't mind helping them out with donations, but
$27.50 for a tape and transcript seems a bit steep.

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 22:06:57 -0500
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      list shirt

ok, y'all, my original inspiration to do a list
shirt project has not waned.  i love this list.....
i've made many great friends here...had
many great experiences....i want to do this.
i'm glad i sparked the discussion.  i was
hoping it would be a bit more cut and
dried than this, but alas, it's turned into
much much more.  i know there was
great support for my original idea of
the globe and hearts and eiiot lyrics,
but obviously not all of that design will
work.  then i posted that "shame on us!"
shirt idea.  that was a joke!  :)  people seemed
to take it seriously, though.  thinking about
it more, i kind of like it myself.  it's sort of
funny and in-your-face.  anyway, there have
been several other great ideas since this
discussion ensued.  why doesn't someone
compile the ideas and we can take a vote?
i'd help with whatever idea is chosen, if
my help is needed.  if either of my ideas
become reality, i'll take the reigns on the
project.  i'd really like to know where all this
is going, though, because i am getting a
headache over this.  there's little
organization in this discussion.....we seem
to be going round and round with it.

i like dena's idea about e-mailing rcam our
intentions.  it'd be interesting to see if we
get a response.

lisa


>date:    thu, 25 sep 1997 12:20:08 -0400
>from:    "<dena kohleriter>" <denakohl@aol.com>
>subject: re: t-shrit idea

>here's a suggestion regarding asking r-cam for permission.  since, we
know
>how diligent they have always been in answering e-mail (heavy sarcasm)
why
>not e-mail them with our intentions and let them know that if there is
no
>response in a certain number of days we will  assume that it is okay
with
>them.  it would kind of cover our butts and place a little
responsibility on
>them.  what do y'all think?

>dena

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date:         fri, 26 sep 1997 23:17:14 -0500
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subject:      dar cds newbies should get; ig still have heart
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laura and the list......if you want to get back to
basic folk roots and haven't heard dar williams....

>hey, does anyone out there know what is a good first dar williams album
>to listen to?  ive been hearing people on the list talking about her for
>some time, and she is opening for a sarah mclachlan show i have tix for.
>id most appreciate your help.  thanks.

>-laura

i'd start from dar's first cd, the honesty room.
you may take a while to get used to her (like a
new listener would to get used
to ig), but listen closely to the lyrics, get lost in the
stories, laugh a lot, and you'll want to get her
second cd, mortal city, soon later.  then her
third and most recent cd, end of the summer, is
very good too, but a lot unlike the first two - more
rockin' with beat farms (which dar listers complained
about).  you know the odd thing about the dar list?
dar reads their posts and takes what they say to
heart.  when they have major list meets at shows,
dar stops by to say hi.  dar also remembers people
from previous shows.  if she's met you once, she
can recall your face and maybe even your name.
some dar listers said she remembered parts of
their conversations from a mere post-show autograph
meeting.  i'm sure ig may have been like this at one
time....but not any more.  and i understand why.  so
many people, so many shows.  and yeah, they're
human.   i don't subscribe to the hypocrisy theme
that's going on on the ig list, but i do so wish i could
have seen ig when they were not so popular
and successful.  just one listen to the early
recordings vol. i cd boot (the ep and more) tells
me that, at least then, the music was all they sang and
played for....as well as sharing this love of music with
their fans.  such love...such heart...comes through in
their earlier music.  i think their hearts are still in it.  after all
these
years, they show they still care.  how can you not
see it?  would they still be doing so many shows,
meeting so many of you all, going to small towns all
over the us?  i got tired just going to the blacksburg show.
a week later i am still recovering.  so, give 'em a break.
it's not so healthy for us fans to take all of this so seriously.

lisa

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all this talk about the number of guitars the girls own reminded me of the
pay per view special. amy went through 3 guitars on dgtgag and didn't even
miss a beat. i've listened to it with my eyes closed and i honestly can't
tell. i'm really impressed that she was able to retain her composure
through all of it. i watched it in slo-mo and you can see her cringe,
unbutton the strap and present the dead instrument to her tech but she just
keeps singing. emily picks up on it immediately. then the second one bites
it but you just see it laying there on the stage and don't know what
happened. she finishes off with the third and is really getting into the
song and breaks a string. i'm guessing the string cut her finger (anybody
know?) because she looks at it and puts in up to her mouth at the end of
the song. she has her back to the audience, but the camera is right behind
jerry and captures the two of them before the next song begins and amy has
the cutest smile on her face...after all that! i think it's great that
she's able to have three guitars and a tech to tune 'em and hand 'em off to
her. she's an amazing performer if you ask me.
resa

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 00:37:31 -0500
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hey y'all~

i figured i should step in here and say something about the meaning
behind the birthday projects, seeing how i started all that stuff.  when
i came up with the idea i was sitting in a classroom full of war
pictures and pro-war slogans, trying to find some way to think of other
things to get myself out of the room.  i began thinking about the ft.
worth concert and how it was two days before amy's birthday and how it
would be really cool to get her something, but i wanted it to be
special.  i thought about the list and figured that doing a donation for
her b-day was worth a shot.  the meaning behind the project, at least
for me, was _not_ to get a thank you card, it was to say thank you to
amy while at the same time doing something positive, showing her that we
meant it.  sure, i was excited that i got to actually present it to amy
personally (and that right there is her thank you to us, she kept saying
thank you to tony and i and emily was really interested in how we had
actually pulled it off), but that was not my intention before or during
the project.  at any time the night that we presented the gift i was
ready to turn the gift basket over to security or somebody on the crew.
tony and i were lucky.  a&e had gone through a rough night the night
before the tcu concert (they had been completely mobbed by the tulsa
crowd) and really didn't want to do any meet and greets, but they met
with us.  it was an amazing moment, one that i will never forget.  it
was powerful to be meeting two of my favorite artists while at the same
time ending a project that had meant so much to me.  that night they
played "secure yourself", a song that i had requested for a friend of
mine who had been having a really rough time, that meant a lot as well.
to see my friend's face light up when i told her that the song was for
her was incredible.  also, amy said during an interview just a couple
weeks after we gave her the gift that "it was the best present [she] had
ever recieved".  amy has said thank you to us, just not in the form of a
card.  i don't know for sure whether emily got her present or not, we
didn't do a face to face presentation (we had decided not to do one,
that wasn't an rc thing), but we handed it over to the road manager and
i trust that he gave it to her that night.  i don't feel any need to get
a thank you note from amy or emily for the birthday gifts, they've
already done enough.  it would be nice to get one, but i'm completely
satisfied with the gifts as they stand now, over $5000 from us to two of
a&e's favorite organizations.

okay, that's all for my late night rambling tonight.

peace,
mandi

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 01:32:33 -0400
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subject:      re: wealth=sellout?

>2)  as for this debate about how they must be sellouts because they make
>so much money, ponder this:  ani difranco is probably the highest-paid

        my question is, what do people consider a sell-out?  i think that "sell-out"
is a phrase that people all too often use way out of context.  just because
someone can make a comfortable living doing what it is that they love, and
are good at, and have nice things, why does that consist of selling out?
        what if the girls decided they wanted to do a coke commercial?  i'm sure
many people would say that they were selling out.  well, if they chose to do
that and want it, then more power to them.
        many people said that amy grant sold out when she went top 40.  to me, she
was just doing something different, trying something new, broadening her
audience.  i see nothing wrong with that.  kudos to her.
        people are responsible for their own choices.  nobody makes them for us.
and if we allow them to, then that's our fault.  so sell-out schmel-out.
its all a bunch of bogus to me.

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 00:31:17 -0500
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subject:      stuff other than hypocrisy, rcam, blah, blah, blah

hi all,

oh, something other than hypocrisy, rcam, blah, blah, blah....
(a little blah, blah of my own.....)

has anyone ever noticed what a nice smile joan baez has??
hmmmmm.......and she's always smiling!  :)

i'm playing that tina turner sings country import cd that i got
for 59 cents today.  yep, it's country-ish, but not too bad.   where
did this cd come from????  what would it be like to find an ig
sings country cd???

who out there just dies when amy sings "falling star"?  :,(  now
that's amy ray!

today the listening booth in barnes and noble's music
department had shawn colvin, dar williams, ig, and paula
cole.  did they see me coming?  i found it odd that i should
choose to listen to the sots cd at b&n's listening booth
when i could be listening to lots of new music.  i did get
to hear the "my best friend's wedding" cd and ani difranco
doing wishin' and hopin'.  ani must have had a blast in
working her voice that way for that song.

haha....tina is singing "stand by your man" now!  ain't that
a strange audio "image".  think about it.

snackwell has now got these itty bitty cookies....chocolate
peanut butter chip....that are quite tasty.  i'd recommend them.
tonight, i am trying them alongside ice cream.  i can dip them
for an extra taste sensation.   and they're low fat to boot!  the ice
cream is snackwell too....rocky road.  the only stock i'd own....
snackwell ice cream on a&e....doh!  i mean snackwell and ig.  ;)

oh, the big image of today (which is what probably gave me
the ice cream thought)......i finally looked through my copy of
pulse mag with ig.  whose mouth just dropped open in awe
when they saw the pic of amy and emily posing on their sides,
leaning on their elbows?....emily behind amy...amy leaning slightly
back on emily......with that sexy straight-faced look.  now, do they
look like a couple or what?  gave me the tinglies.  now, heck,
i know they're not a couple (and never were).  it's just the impression
i got.  it gave me the feeling that they're really close though...
and i like that feeling.

um, y'all, ok, my little bit of input into the fan club thing (since i
was the one who started all this shit with the rcam/fan club
sucks thing so i'd feel better about making a shirt they didn't
like), i'd bet that those rcam employees know exactly how
we feel.  there are people on this list who have worked for
ig and know other people.  they may still work for ig; they
just wouldn't tell you that.  if you think no one associated with
ig knows what goes on on this list, you're wrong (probably).

can someone who meets ig at an upcoming show just
go out on a limb and ask them if we can make a nice, loving
listshirt with a quote on the back?  just ask 'em personally.
i wonder how they'd respond.  let's find out.  someone
who's got the guts to be gracious yet confident should just
do it.  so, do it, would ya?  even if we don't use a lyric on
the shirt, it sure would be nice to know how a&e feel....and
to hear it directly from them.

lisa

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romeo and juliet

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 03:38:52 -0400
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subject:      russ-baybee & stuff.

geeeez...i can't even go on vacation without
all hell breakin' loose around here.;)

hey !!!! ( i know it's been said before...buuuut)

1) it's not the manager's job to be 'nice' ..nice people make lousy managers.
    it's a jungle out there baybee.
2) ig fans can be spooky and annoying ...come on !!
   you know it's true !!!!!!!!
3) if a gift has a heavy investment in being recognized, it itsn't really a
gift.
   (i concur with kristina and joan et al )
4) heard gotm on the radio the other day, it sounded good :)
5) the fan club is truly lame, but who needs the fan club when you've got
     the list baybeee ??????

well, my work is done here. time to paint the ceiling...beige.
byebyenow :) claire e.
"they drummed you right out of hollywood ...
  and now you come crawlin' back to broadway,
  well, broadway doesn't go for booze and dope !"
(helen lawson)

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 11:38:48 +0000
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subject:      the rc thing......

you know, i think i've finally figured this list out : every couple
of months, amongst all the warm fuzziness, joking and general love
for the ig (and assorted artists), something bad happens.....

one guy (or girl), decides to start off with one flame (a couple of
months ago it was the mailer with the attitude who just started
getting people pissed off, right now it's the bitching about rc
management). sooner or later, other people join in (for or against
the mail), and, in a couple of days (or even hours), we have a flame
war on our hands, and it normally takes at least two weeks to get it
sorted out. i don't what it's like for other people on the list, but
imho, that's how it seems to me.

now i'm not saying the mail about rc (y'know, the one that started
this all off) is a bad thing, but for crying out loud, next time we
see one of these little flame wars starting, anticipate it, and try
to stop it before it gets out of control.

right, sorry for wasting bandwidth, but.....

john.

(well, that's the philosophy over and done with ;-))

"anyone can be someone. but no-one can be everyone.
so if you want to be someone, it's best to be yourself"

lena fiagbe

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 08:21:25 -0400
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while y'all out there are thinkin of another way to say the same thing
about rc, a&e and the whole fan club workings, why not try to figure out
how many times the girls have played ctf.

this might give you the "time out" needed to put it all into perspective.

nuff said

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 10:07:16 -0400
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ok, so i have ventured into the wonderful world of hypertext markup
language and am building a big old web page.

what i am requesting is that anyone on the list who has a really cool page
with some ig stuff on it, send me your url, and i will be glad to link you
to me if you'd like.....  :)

that's all!!

thanks-
karrie

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subject:      ig in ct

hey kind friends !!!

i got mine - orch. l !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chris

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 11:16:49 -0400
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subject:      re: russ-baybee & stuff.

>  1) it's not the manager's job to be 'nice' ..nice people make lousy
managers.

i'm a manager of 200 people (not all at the same time, they come in shifts)
and the only way we get anything done is by being nice.

michelle

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 11:17:29 -0400
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subject:      fwd: hypocritcal: martina

this was a good point, so i had to pass it on......

michelle
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from:   trp@cdepot.net (tom paul)
to:     chelle2930@aol.com
date: 97-09-27 04:31:20 edt

not to mention doing ads for hbo's wimbeldon coverage, and if i am not
mistaken a deoderant ad some years ago.

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> date: friday, september 26, 1997 9:28 pm
>
> <snip>
> martina navratilova, perhaps the greatest female tennis player of the
modern
> era, til this day, does not have a single product endorsement. if she
had
> been straight, you can bet that would not have been the case.
>
> <and so michelle said....>
> i am not about to get into this discussion other than to ask if the
rainbow
> credit card would be considered a product endorsement??? cause she does
that
> ad, big ole picture and all...
>
> michelle
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subject:      1200 curfews and soc ques.

hey y'all--
  i remember from awhile back that someone posted about 1200 curfews...you
could skip back to -.02 seconds or something before your cd player would
actually start the song, and there would be over lay.. this probably makes no
sense, and i can't remember which song it was, but if anyone knows what i'm
talking about.....
also:  what happened to the web page of amy's soc's?  is it still in
existence?  can someone send me the url?
thanks bunches,
lauren  (counting down to sarah m.!!)

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 11:37:22 -0400
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i am desparate.....oh please, i am requesting someone's help from
bingotown.

could someone please, please...get me tix for the show at suny b?  i am
willing to give boots, pictures, my first born....

i have to go to this show!!!!!

tix go on sale the 7th.

please, please help me!!

peace, love and ig-
karrie

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subject:      re martina
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i think part of  the profit for the rainbow credit card goes for aids and
breast cancer research.

she might be paid for that ad, but i was really talking about stuff like
rackets, clothes, sneakers and even iced tea all of which chris evert gets
paid to hawk. for a short time i think martina also did a print ad for the
apple power book.

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the girls were in rare form last night at the sundome in tampa--has anyone ever
heard them screw up closer to fine ?  ever? ( has anyone ever heard them
screw up, period?)  it really was great and quite funny to see them stumbling
over  each other.  it was a good thing...

what i want to know is(south florida fans):  how can i get in to their gig at
the independent traditional seminole nation tomorrow night (sunday)??  does
anybody have the inside scoop on this show?  ticketmaster, of course, is not
listing it...

please help!
(not bad for a first post, huh?)

peeeeeeeeeece,
tiffiny

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hello

can anyone give me the url to the page that has all the set lists for the
most recent shows? i'd really appreciate it!

muchas gracias,
mikaela

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john popper from blues traveler has a funny quote about it, which hopefully
i am getting right. he said "if you're poor, you're considered and
underground sensation, if you're rich you're considered a sell-out. i want
to the the most sold-out underground sensation."

i think that's appropriate. i don't think it's fair to fault any artist, or
anyone, for that matter, for wanting to make money off of what they do.

just my $.02. not too profound, i know.

sari

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sari laufer
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okay it doesn't seem to matter how many times i say that emily's gift
wasn't made/done in order to receive thanks, so i shall stop saying it and
hopefully we shall get on to other stuff here. (there is a difference
between receiving thanks and receiving notification that a package was
delivered to the right person, a distinction that seems lost here). there
is a difference between accusing them of being hypocritical and saying
their publicity needs to be better managed.

perhaps it is just that i don't have the list savvy to anticipate what
opinion one can express and not start a war. this maybe something that
comes with more practice than i intend to get sending posts! people have
thrown jewelry, t-shirts, etc. at the girls and wondered if they had
received these gifts or worn them or whatever. this project involved more
time, money, and effort than that and i would just have liked to know what
became of the package i sent. apparently this is not kosher and so i
apologize.

i love the girls' music and appreciate and respect most of what they
do...but this doesn't mean that i have not had negative experiences,
thoughts or feelings about things surrounding them. this too, is considered
unacceptable by some. hard to know what is okay to say except....
"so...how 'bout 'em girls?? some kind of music what??!!"

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hey, does anyone know when/if they'll be replaying that??  i had no clue...

lesley

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 13:58:37 -0400
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subject:      burlington show...

anybody know anything about this?  everyone in burlington is clueless.  uvm
has heard nothing about the show.

any info is much appreciated.
erin

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 14:17:31 -0400
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subject:      re: i had to be the first ...romeo and juliet

hi   joe !
   i couldn't believe it either!!!  before the song started, and amy and
emily were talking with guitars in hand - presumably about the playlist, i
saw  emily kind of look surprised and smile ... when it started, i jumped up
and couldn't believe it either ... i kept wanting to tell the people around
me how unusual it was .... i sort of heard some of the "redemption song", i
guess that's what it was - but the students around me talked and laughed all
through it - i was about to get pissed, but they were otherwise polite and i
didn't want to spoil the "indigo mood".  it seemed that i was the oldest fan
around - guess they wanted to be nice to the old broad (36).
   and what about emily losing her place during ctf?  is two restarts a
record?
anyway, i loved it - even though there was a torrential downpour ...
     sarah

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 14:01:03 -0700
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   does anyone know what a & e 's full names are?
i'm in a class at school where we get to carry egg babies
around for a week. lucky me got twins (girls) :-) !!!!!

                      live, love, & dream,
                              red rebel mcnary

          burnett@detnet.com

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 17:14:00 edt
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subject:      npr phone numbers

reposted by request.....

i checked the npr www site - it has the ordering info for the transcripts
& audio tapes of their broadcasts.

phone: 1-888-677-6397 (1-888-npr-news)

mail: npr order center
      p.o. box 4370
      upper marlboro, md  20775-4370

(phone numbers = credit cards
mail orders   = checks/money orders)

the show you want with the igs is "all things considered" date 9/25/97.

you can order an audio tape & transcript for $27.50

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 17:20:57 -0400
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well, fans...

getting ready to go to the ig concert tonight in west palm beach. it's been
raining all day! this is my 5th ig concert and i'm sure it's going to be
great! it's the first time i'll see ig with a full band. i'll give my report
card tomorrow. i'll be close enough to the stage to see amy's perspiration;
i'll report on that as well.

take care

annie      :

"every thought's a possibility"

<a href="http://members.aol.com/asburke/annie.html">annie's world</a>

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 17:30:29 -0400
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i reposted the phone number/address for npr. you can order a cassette tape
of a specific broadcast, a written transcript, or both. if you order just
the written transcript, it's considerably less than $27. but you do get
the entire 60 minute show of atc for the date you request.  the person who
took my order asked me what part of the show i was interested in, as she
wanted to make sure she was sending me the correct tape. i told her i was
interested in the indigo girls segment and she verified that this was on
the tape i requested (9/25/97). i liked the fact they double-checked my
order.

be patient - i'm sure a tape tree will emerge or someone will transcribe
the interview for the list. we've always been really good about sharing
info and resources with one another.

n. (who's _almost_ done with the acoustic guitar interview transcription)

nancy humphries
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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 18:40:58 -0400
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hi y'all-

on sat 27 sep 1997 11:38 +0000
john bond <bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk> wrote:
>
> you know, i think i've finally figured this list out : every couple
> of months, amongst all the warm fuzziness, joking and general love
> for the ig (and assorted artists), something bad happens.....
>
> one guy (or girl), decides to start off with one flame (a couple of
> months ago it was the mailer with the attitude who just started
> getting people pissed off...

<ahem> umm... at the risk of offending anyone... not that i ever have,
or would, do such a thing... <g>

but seriously, i would like to address something re: the atlanta-ig
related sites map that i put together and have been e-mailing (127 at
last count)...

a few people have requested that i make "a more personal ig" map to show
a&e's "grade school where they met and where they went to high school";
"the neighborhood where they grew up-- with exactly where their houses
were-- if [i] know"; "where they live and the address so that when [one]
get[s] to atlanta [one] can go see their house and take pictures and
maybe even see them and meet them and get to know them and stuff."

to those who have asked & anyone thinking of asking: no, absolutely not.

i think it's understandable, in a way, why a&e's fans want to know where
their elementary school is located - it is after all part of ig lore.
however, to do that would mean indicating the specific area and
neighborhood where they grew up, and i think that would be an invasion
of their privacy.

the desire to see "more personal kind of ig places" is also, in a way,
understandable from a fan's perspective. it's also unsettling and a
little disturbing. as "netizens in cyberspace", if you'll pardon the
expression, and as members of this list, we are basically anonymous
(with some exceptions of those listers who have actually met). i think
we all know that celebrities in our society have problems occasionally
with overzealous fans. the word "fan" does come from "fanatic." the
problem with "fan-dom" is that occasionally it becomes more than sincere
adulation, interest, desire, and simple fantasy; it becomes an
obsession. something becomes an obsession when it affects all facets of
one's life, because one is almost incapable of thinking about anything
else. an obsession is only "bad" to the extent that it controls or
overwhelms one's life, when - personal relationships, home life, living
arrangements, work and employment, economic and financial viability -
all suffer and deteriorate because of that obsession. that is when and
why obsessions become emotionally unhealthy. if an obsessed person is
capable of understanding and admitting that - yes, they have an
obsession, and yes, it is damaging their life and is therefore
emotionally unhealthy - they can begin to re-gain their perspective.

i have the sense that there are a few people on the list who might be
helped by re-gaining their perspective about ig.

in some individuals, if allowed to develop and flourish unchecked in an
anonymous environment, an obsession becomes dangerous when it no longer
simply controls one's life, it literally becomes one's life. it is at
this point that personalization of the object of obsession can begin -
the belief that one's own thoughts can control the behavoir of the
object; the belief that that the object communicates personally with
one; the belief that one has a significant personal relationship with
the object of one's obsession. that is where "stalkers" come from.

i'm not saying that there are any listers who may have crossed the line
from simple obsession to dangerous obsession... i'm just being a little
perhaps overly concerned with the well-being of people on the list, as
well as being concerned about a&e... that's all.

if saying these things gets "people pissed off" at me (yet again)...
so be it... but, as i said, i'm concerned.

btw-- my offer to e-mail my little atlanta-ig map and my little atlanta
l/g-sites map (which comes with a little address/phone #/description
list) -- is all still open to anyone who asks me.

peace... (and sorry for the waste of bandwidth)...
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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 19:26:03 -0400
reply-to:     mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
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hi folks-

i just had a little idea about something to put on the list t-shirt...
it's kind of silly but... kind of appropriate...

on the back of the shirt, near the bottom, in quotes & parentheses:

        "(sorry for the waste of bandwidth...)"

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 19:57:17 -0400
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could someone with list info for dar and any other women's music lists
email me privately?  also, i just went to the jax show, first one in a
year!!!  it was great and i was smiiling so much through the whole thing
that my face hurt the next morning.  hope everyone else has experiences
like this still.
still a little smile sore,
kerri

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 17:55:08 -0700
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hi. i have questions about these three concerts:

10/15 nashville tn ryman auditorium
10/16 memphis tn mud island amphitheatre
10/17 pelham al oak mountain amphitheatre

i have tickets to the nashville concert and am thinking of
shedding a few more years and doing a
nashville-memphis-pelham-nashville loop while in the area.

unless another opportunity for ryman tickets arise, i must be out
of luck for special tickets that might include an after concert
meeting in nashville.

i would appreciate any information on meet-and-greet's to any of
the three and on getting tickets for memphis and pelham.  i assume
all three are hte tours, so can someone explain the cards to me?
what are they and whose cards actually get picked up and how?

i'm flying out from the west coast for this.  when i was a
teenager, my supportive big sister said yes and took me to hear
joni mitchell in nashville.   ~twenty-five (gee...) years later,
she's still a neat, supportive sister and on the 15th i'm taking
her to hear music that is equally special to me now.

there's been a lot of chatter about ig as individuals.  personally
i haven't a clue, but instead, aah! it's really about their music
isn't it?  they touch and attract us through their song.  the sots
sunday berkeley show was great! --- no ifs-ands-or-buts, all 200
guitars, and no apologies!

direct email to me is also ok.  thanks,  -rosemary

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 21:42:35 -0400
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from:         pam myers-morgan <mnoelm@aol.com>
subject:      video boots and turbulent indigo

hey listys,

i have two questions.  y'all probably discussed this when it came out, but do
you think that it's possible for joni mitchell to have named her disc
turbulent indigo with no reference to ig in mind at all?  surely she had to
know that most of her fans would make that connection.  given the fact that
emily has often cited joni as a major influence, does anyone know if the two
have ever met, or, gulp, played together?  if this topic has already been
done to death on the list, please e-mail me privately with any info.  i'm 38
now, and reading some of your posts about ig and how they have helped you,
reminds me of how joni got me through college :-)

second question:  does anyone have any information about a bootleg video of
a concert at the patriot center in fairfax, va on december 11, 1994?  who
made this tape?  how was it made?  are there a lot of copies in circulation?
are there other video bootlegs around?  please e-mail me privately and
thanks in advance for the info.

ok, actually i have 3 questions.  this past week in dallas, which
unfortunately is not a hotbed of ig fandom :-( , i have run across 3 copies
of complicated girls and 2 of uptown girls.  do you think it's possible that
rdr dumped inventory before they moved to key west, or is this simply a wild
coincidence?  just curious...

okay, i'm done now :-)

pam (friend to all donkey's patooties and small children)

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 22:00:21 -0400
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hey, all.  couple things.  first, i know people will probably send me hate
mail for this, but i want to give my .02 anyway...i really kind of like the
shirtr idea about the  group of girls colored indigo with the crayon and
the "guards like watchdogs," etc...  it would be cool to have so much
represesnted on a list shirt, and it would show what real fans we are.

#2)  does anyone know if the tickets are on sale for sarah maclachlan and
dar in pittsburgh?  what about the cost?

alisa


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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 21:58:53 -0400
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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hi bonnie and fellow kind friends,

you're right - the fan club is free and therefore maybe we shouldn't expect
a whole lot.  i'm guessing that most artists charge an annual fee to be
a member of their fan club - like melissa etheridge and the country artists
here in nashville do.  but, those folks also put out regular newsletters
and arrange meet and greets with their fans, give primo concert tix, etc.
i personally don't see how gathering some info for a quarterly newsletter
can be so difficult, time consuming or expensive.  i edited a 12 page monthly
newsletter for my local paralegal association for two years and i'm sorry,
it just doesn't take that much - all you need are some news items and
a desktop publishing program (and a reliable copy service).  this year's
ig fan club newsletters actually look as if someone has taken some time and
care in putting them together.  before this year, they looked like something
my high school newspaper class did.  i seriously doubt that it would take
someone from rcam's office more than a few hours to type some news items into
the computer, scan in some photos, scan in a & e's handwritten letters/notes,
typset it, and then send it off to a copy service once every quarter.
just my $0.02 on that issue.  i am glad that there is a voice mail line
for show dates and a web site/"official" mailing list, but even though i'm
cyber-friendly, i'm one of those people who still likes to have a piece of
paper in my hand to look at and read, ya know?
as for whether or not someone said or implied that a&e had sold out or
were too wealthy, i read some excerpts from someone's post in one of my
ig digests yesterday and that is what i was commenting on.
one last thought about the fan club - i have heard that in order for the
fan club to be free of charge, it is important that people buy merchandise
through the fan club.  let's all remember that!

peace and pecan pancakes (which i just finished fixing...yum!),

joan :-d

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 22:29:23 -0400
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first of all, lisa - very well said!

about my bill gates comment - he is a multi-billionaire who is often criticized
because he is one of the richest men in the world and gives a proportionately
small amount of his wealth to charitable organizations/causes.  he gives several
million a year (i believe it's each year) to the harvard university scholarship
fund, but if a person is smart enough to be able to qualify for a scholarship
at harvard, they're not too disadvantaged, imho.  that is great, though, that
he apparently is giving more $$$ to charity.  i hope ted turner's gift is
a catalyst for increased millionaire/billionaire/corporate giving.
peace (and hopefully stepping off of the soapbox:),

joan :-d

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subject:      re: (nigc) bill gates and wealth
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i agree with you on several points but one:

harvard is a very, very expensive school, just because one has the brains
does not mean they possess the means to pay an high tuition to go.

i am beginning to look at life after my graduation, i am actually
considering grad school (more like if  i try and don't get in it will be
better than never trying at all) and i want to take a break from academia
( a year or two in the real world is necessary!) and i have decided, yeah,
maybe the ivy league in cambridge is ready for a bad ass disabled writer...

course there is a snowballs chance in hell i'd even be given an interview,
but trust me if i get accepted, i definitely will need those scholarships
mr. gates helps out with.


peace,
mike r.

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 20:21:04 pdt
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hi all - i haven't seen any posts re:songs of the week so here's my
penny-and-a-half on the subject...
i guess walk away is ok, but i really do like get together.  i always
loved jesse colin young's version of this one, but a & e are a close
second.  anybody remember j.c.y. doing this on the no nukes album?
i still get goosebumps just hearing an echo of that version in my
head...
nic

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 23:16:05 -0400
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subject:      tampa concert...

well, lastnight's concert has got to be the greatest i've ever been to!!!  i
had 5th row center tickets in the sun dome and it was my first ig concert
ever. (well except when they were at ptide in atlanta lastyear, but i had to
leave early...another story)  amy and emily were absolutely awsome, i really
think it ended too soon though.  i knew every song they sung and longed for
them to sing more.  i think the crowd was very into it, after reading some of
the previous posts about people not into their concerts, i started to doubt
how much fun i was actually going to have.  it seemed to me that the whole
place was singing along.  the band wasn't playing with them so it was just a
and e, and like in d.c. they asked the crowd to help out.  everyone in my
section was up the whole time just singing and dancing.  it was absolutely
awsome (i know, i know, you get the picture :-)).  when they went out to
collect the cards, i was praying for amy to come down our row, but it was
emily who ended up doing it (don't get me wrong, i love emily to death, but
amy is my absolute fav.).  anyway, i shook her hand and told her how much she
"rocked" and she just smiled at me, that was the highlight of my day, week,
year!!!  well, enough of my rambling...

kim

p.s.  i just wanted to say, in case i forgot, they were absolutely
awsome!!!!!!!

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 00:09:35 -0400
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subject:      west palm report

i have just one word to describe tonight's concert:


         awesome!!!
amy and emily were the best i've ever seen them. they did not play with the
band, as reported. thousands appeared and all participated! the only down
side to the evening was the opening band, indigioness (or something like
that), who became irritating after the 7th heavy metal, blues-like song that
sounded like the first. then, amy introduced a community speaker for native
americans who spoke for a half hour then played a slide show for ten minutes.
that segued into a&e singing "shame on you."

they played songs i've never heard live like, one of my favorites, "let it be
me." emily had not played that song in such a long time she forgot to capo
third fret. they stopped mid-intro (with amy laughing) and began again. it
was great. then, amy played "romeo and juliet." she kinda screwed-up the
ending, but we all loved it anyway!!! then, emily ran out into the audience
of thousands to collect cards protesting next weeks nuclear launch. she
walked right past me and smiled as adoring fans followed. it was
spectacular!!!!! however, no encore. half the audience was screaming teenaged
girls! wow, don't i feel old! well, it was absolutely awesome!!!! i say screw
the critics; let the fans judge!

overwhelmed and exhausted!

annie

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 00:09:54 -0400
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from:         dianne connell <tuesdays_child@juno.com>
subject:      re: stuff other than hypocrisy, rcam, blah, blah, blah

hehe...way to change the subject, babe!

on sat, 27 sep 1997 00:31:17 -0500 "lisa m. schreihart"
<lschreihart@juno.com> writes:
>hi all,
>
>oh, something other than hypocrisy, rcam, blah, blah, blah....
>(a little blah, blah of my own.....)
>
>has anyone ever noticed what a nice smile joan baez has??
>hmmmmm.......and she's always smiling!  :)

i certainly have.  she's a babe!  i don't care how old she is!  let's
here it for older women!  woohoo!

>i'm playing that tina turner sings country import cd that i got
>for 59 cents today.  yep, it's country-ish, but not too bad.   where
>did this cd come from????  what would it be like to find an ig
>sings country cd???

probably not nearly as weird as tina singing country.  that sounds
totally funky!

>who out there just dies when amy sings "falling star"?  :,(  now
>that's amy ray!

ehem...that would be me.  i just love it when she sings soft songs.  her
voice is so sweet and sexy.

>today the listening booth in barnes and noble's music
>department had shawn colvin, dar williams, ig, and paula
>cole.  did they see me coming?  i found it odd that i should
>choose to listen to the sots cd at b&n's listening booth
>when i could be listening to lots of new music.  i did get
>to hear the "my best friend's wedding" cd and ani difranco
>doing wishin' and hopin'.  ani must have had a blast in
>working her voice that way for that song.

i checked out the listening booth thingy at border's today and listened
to half of dar's new album.  wow!  gotta buy that.  woulda right then but
michelle malone's new album was burning a hole in my hand and i only had
enough for one cd.  btw, listening to mm right now.  awesome!!!

>haha....tina is singing "stand by your man" now!  ain't that
>a strange audio "image".  think about it.

hehe...

>snackwell has now got these itty bitty cookies....chocolate
>peanut butter chip....that are quite tasty.  i'd recommend them.
>tonight, i am trying them alongside ice cream.  i can dip them
>for an extra taste sensation.   and they're low fat to boot!  the ice
>cream is snackwell too....rocky road.  the only stock i'd own....
>snackwell ice cream on a&e....doh!  i mean snackwell and ig.  ;)

hmmm....now there's an image that will keep me up tonight...ice cream on
a&e...wow!

>oh, the big image of today (which is what probably gave me
>the ice cream thought)......i finally looked through my copy of
>pulse mag with ig.  whose mouth just dropped open in awe
>when they saw the pic of amy and emily posing on their sides,
>leaning on their elbows?....emily behind amy...amy leaning slightly
>back on emily......with that sexy straight-faced look.  now, do they
>look like a couple or what?  gave me the tinglies.  now, heck,
>i know they're not a couple (and never were).  it's just the
>impression
>i got.  it gave me the feeling that they're really close though...
>and i like that feeling.

oh, now that's not fair...i do have to sleep sometime ya know.  ;p

>um, y'all, ok, my little bit of input into the fan club thing (since i
>was the one who started all this shit with the rcam/fan club
>sucks thing so i'd feel better about making a shirt they didn't
>like), i'd bet that those rcam employees know exactly how
>we feel.  there are people on this list who have worked for
>ig and know other people.  they may still work for ig; they
>just wouldn't tell you that.  if you think no one associated with
>ig knows what goes on on this list, you're wrong (probably).

ouch, that's not a very comfortable thought, considering some of the
things that get said here.

>can someone who meets ig at an upcoming show just
>go out on a limb and ask them if we can make a nice, loving
>listshirt with a quote on the back?  just ask 'em personally.
>i wonder how they'd respond.  let's find out.  someone
>who's got the guts to be gracious yet confident should just
>do it.  so, do it, would ya?  even if we don't use a lyric on
>the shirt, it sure would be nice to know how a&e feel....and
>to hear it directly from them.

great idea!  they'd probably be really appreciative if someone showed
them an actual design.  so who's gonna put it together?

just thought i'd add to the inane yet benign conversation.

tuesday's child

charter member -- yknib ssim naf bulc

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 00:40:03 -0400
reply-to:     marivel danielson <marivel@umich.edu>
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subject:      a little igc at the movies...

hey all!

i hope everyone's weekend is going well.  i just spent a wonderful saturday in
troy, mi for the michigan lesbian & gay film festival and saw 2 movies which i
will highly recomend to anyone who wants to see a great independent film.  the
first was "late bloomers", about two middle aged women falling in love in a very
conservative suburb situation.  very funny and extremely well written and acted.
(imho) this film was done just as well or better than a lot of big budget
hollywood ones.  incredible!

okay and here's the tiny little ig connection...the second movie i saw was
called "inn trouble" and about so called "generation x-er" lesbians who come to
atlanta after a friend dies and leaves them a bed and breakfast to take care of.
well one of the women that pops up in this inn is "jo", the lead singer of a
band by the name of viva la diva !!! i couldn't believe it.  oh, for anyone with
no idea what i'm talking about, this is a band who records under amy's daemon
label (see how i avoided the personal stuff?  are you all proud of me?)  and
even though i have one of their cds, i couldn't really tell right away if they
were the real thing or just actors, but after a few minutes i realized that "jo"
was cooper (seay).  she's got a pretty substantial part too, and groupies!  i
don't know if this is common knowledge, but i was totally surprised.  sooo...if
you dig their music you should try to catch this movie (in addition to the fact
that it's a pretty cool film all around).  oh and viva la diva does perform
briefly and cooper does a very brief acoustic thing by herself in another scene.
so that's "inn trouble", directed by cristina rey, 1995.

and while i'm on the subject of films i've been wanting to mention something
totaly stupid that i noticed the other day.  do you all remember the thread we
had this summer about who would play the girls in an ig life story movie?  well
i've found the perfect childhood amy in the movie paperhouse (1995 i think).
the main character is a little girl who i swear looks just like a shrinky dink
version of amy ray.  unbelievable.  i was so mesmerized by the resemblance that
i had to watch the whole movie.  also a pretty good movie...wierd, but well
done.

okay that's it for my movie reviews.  sorry they took so long.  thanks for
listening!

marivel

sofi:  i have to talk to amy.
kris:  yeah...maybe you should wait 'til that girl gets off her face.

***********************

kris:  i like your hair...it makes me want to play tennis.

"inn trouble" (cristina rey, director)

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 01:54:29 -0400
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from:         robyn giragosian <jgirago@aol.com>
subject:      uptown girls

hi everyone...
this is my first time posting, so i'm sorry if this is a repeated question.
my friend recently bought uptown girls and doesn't know anything about it.
if anyone has any basic backround info on it, your help would be greatly
appreciated.


                                      thank you,

                                              robyn

ps- anybody going to the lowell, ma show?

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 02:16:08 -0400
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from:         lisa arthur <lisalisaa@aol.com>
subject:      west palm

i just got back from the west palm. let me start with the set list (or what i
remember of it -- someone else who was there might have to help me out and i
am sure that these are not in order) and say that it was an acoustic show --
just the two of them with the geeeetars, my favorite way to see them -- and
say that amy did romeo and juliet!:

bury my heart (with indigenous, the opening band. everyone left the stage
after that and then the girls came back out.)
shame on you
least complicated
let it be me
strange fire
prince of darkness
chickenman
scooterboys
leeds
romeo and juliet
get out the map
its alright
joking
pushing the needle
bob marley's redemption song
collection
reunion
galileo
closer to fine

i can't even tell  you how berzerk the joint went when after leeds, emily
left the stage and amy came out by herself with a guitar. one of my friends
said oh, my god, she's going to do r&j
...i said no, no way. no way. they never do it live...and then i heard the
opening riffs...

berzerk, i tell you.

i dont know if they've been doing all the hte shows acoustic, but i wasn't
expecting it so i was  overjoyed. when they first came out amy said something
like we're gonna do it acoustic tonight, just the two of us.

also, i was able to go to their press conference before the show (saw the
sound check too). all  you folks who were questioning their sincerity, forget
about it. they seem truly sincere. i was really impressed  with how on top of
the issues they were, and how warmly they embraced the traditional seminoles,
the local tribe here they are visiting on sunday.

i was in my professional mode, so i couldnt effuse . but i did say to them
after the news conference "so, are you guys ever going to play walk away live
again?" they both laughed and emily said "nope. i think we've left that one
behind."

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date:         sat, 27 sep 1997 23:15:10 -0700
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hey folks,

i wanted to share my thoughts on this song because it is one of my
favorites off of sf.  it represents what i went through last year.  it
reminds me of how a relationship that could've worked fell apart because of
pretenses and extraordinarily high and unrealistic expectations.  my
ex-girlfriend was very nice in the beginning but when she didn't get her
way, watch out.  the relationship was nice only on the surface, violence
and terror lurked underneath.  when amy sings about repetition, i think of
how that relationship was the last in a long line of identical
relationships.  i kept making the same mistakes in all of my previous
relationships and when i finally realized what i was doing wrong, i knew
that i had to walk away.  it took being verbally and physically threatened
until i thought that i didn't care about myself or anyone else to take me
"past the point of sane."  the shame that i felt was for both of us, that i
let her manipulate me, that i didn't have the guts to listen to my
instincts, and that she actually thought that what she was doing to me was
"justified."

when i tried to leave her the first time, she threatened to kill herself,
she blamed me for making her life miserable, and she took out her sadness
and frustration on me.  i let her because i believed that she was right.
we both felt that there was nothing to lose but she thought that she had
something to gain. fortunately, i was somehow able to see past the "broken
glass" and found the strength to leave her.  i couldn't change her but i
could change myself, and i did.

this song evokes great sadness within me, but it also reminds me that i was
able to walk away.  i have indeed been fortunate because when i left her, i
found a whole new world for myself, i found the love of my life, and i
found something that i'd been missing for a very long time-- self respect.

thanks for reading,
rachel :)
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"where have you been and what have you done, and why do you fearfully from
yourself run?..."    michelle malone

"...my plans in pieces my plans mislaid it's the will of the way the will
of the way the will of the only way that could've brought me here today and
it's alright."  emily saliers
"...i dig a well i dig it deep and for my only love i plant a cedar
tree..."  amy ray

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 09:18:27 -0400
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        sorry, i think this may be a reply to two day old mail, but i
just wanted to respond to the comment about their expensive guitars.
        1)good guitars are expensive. you can sometimes find decent
cheap ones, but if it is going to survive the kind of beating that amy
gives it, nothing can top a well crafted martin.
        2) different guitars have different tones: if they didn't switch
guitars between say shed your skin and love's recovery, it would be a
very interesting performance.
        3) there's nothing wrong with collecting guitars, if you've got
the money for it, especially if you put them to use, as they do.
        4) they put on a wonderful performance, every time. they play
for longer than many bands do, and if they can afford to pay a guitar
tech to tune for them, i say do it (and if they can't i'll do it for
free ! ) they use lots of different tunings, and tuning takes forever
when you do  it on stage. plus, you're trying to hurry so that people
don't get impatient, and the strings don't always hold the tuning, and
sometimes they break  from the stress of getting tightened back up
again...they're trying to make the performance seamless, and to play
more songs for us.

sarah

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 09:25:34 -0400
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hello everyone,

i've seen a few posts about the tampa concert but no setlist so here
it is.  as mentioned before, it was a great concert !!!  no band, only
amy and emily.

tami


bury my heart at wounded knee (with indigenous)
shame on you
watershed
don't give that girl a gun
get out the map
chickenman
crazy game
blood quantum
virginia woolfe
romeo & juliet
least complicated
shed your skin
leeds
redemption song
(picked up the cards)
scooter boys
galileo
(encore)
land of canaan
closer to fine
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
* to win back my youth, there is nothing *
* i wouldn't do--except take exercise,   *
* get up early or be a useful member of  *
* the community. oscar wilde             *
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 09:28:03 -0400
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hey guys
i have a boot - las cruces nm, and caroline has a boot - mesa, az and both
of ours say 8/26/96.  can anyone help with the dates?
thanks
lori (and caroline!)

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 09:30:47 edt
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      *freakin grin!* (nigc)

--- you wrote:
   does anyone know what a & e 's full names are?
i'm in a class at school where we get to carry egg babies
around for a week. lucky me got twins (girls) :-) !!!!!

                      live, love, & dream,
                              red rebel mcnary
--- end of quoted material ---

ohhhhh my gawd, is is just me or is the thought of two little eggybabies
nestling in a little shoebox with tiny geetars and teeny leather pants just
priceless?:) :):):)

how do ya figger the sex of an egg anyways? ive always wondered.

sus
id never be bill gates' bytch.

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 10:21:58 -0400
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from:         kathleen flaherty <kef1330@aol.com>
subject:      re: saying thank you

<<  does anybody
else remember reading tony/chickenman's account of what happened when amy
was presented with the hte check?

well, since i am one of the ones who was vocal about the thank you issue i
wanted to respond to this post even tho' it wasn't necessarily directed at
me.

no, i didn't get tony's report about the presentation to amy.  wish i had.

<<<why is a verbal thank you not good enough?>>>

it is, imo.  i hope the giftgivers feel the same.

<<<oh, you wanted them to send it [a thank you letter] to every single
fanclub member? uh, yeah. that is so not realistic. >>>

no argument from me on that.  my feeling was that a single form letter to the
organizer would have been appropriate, but i also feel that a verbal is just
fine.  the impression i got was that there wasn't *anything* and i just felt
that since a huge group of people was involved (and, no, i don't think that a
gift involving the collaborative efforts of that many people is an everyday
occurrence for them)...yes, dare i say it...would have been nice!  and you
can't call *me* selfish in that respect because i was not involved in either
gift.  i'm just looking at it as an outsider.  but, like several have pointed
out, the girls did acknowledge the work of these people which makes me happy
because it was my impression that the gift givers did it in part as a way of
honoring a & e.

of course, having not been a participant in either gift, my opinion is
completely irrelevant...as it is on so many topics! : ))  but when i have a
bad day at work i spout off about things sometimes.

cheers!
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 10:39:55 -0400
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from:         kathleen flaherty <kef1330@aol.com>
subject:      re: on rcam, pedestals and wealth... (long)

<<  amy and emily are entitled
to make music and earn a living.  sure, they're wealthy - they sell lots of
albums and earn royalties.  what is so wrong with that?  why is it that
people act as if an artist has "sold out" or is greedy or something because
they pursue a career that happens to bring in a high income?  >>

kudos to joan!  i don't know how this discussion of (hard-earned) wealth
being bad came about.  it's disturbing.  are we only worthy people if we live
in shacks?

cheers!
kathleen  kef1330@aol.com

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 10:51:24 -0400
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subject:      re: here i go aagain, pricing them thar damn guitars....

in a message dated 97-09-26 23:19:06 edt, you write:

<< by the way, ben, i know that hte is a free tour, because russell carter
himself said it to my face in the lobby of sheas....he said, and i quote,
"this is a perk (meaning meeting them) we reserved for you guys, because
you paid so much money for your tickets. *i mean, this is a benefit
tour...no one's makin' any money here.  and amy and emily just want to say
thank you."*

i believe kathleen may have heard him too....>>

yep, i did indeed.  i also, on a different occasion, heard a & e saying that
after the basic expenses for the tour were paid, all money remaining would go
toward the causes.  sounds good to me!  go girls!

cheers!
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i am so glad that they have been doing watershed at their shows.  that is
one of my favorite songs and i never thought that i'd see it on a setlist
from a recent show.
now i can only hope that they'll come to the midwest and play watershed
(and of course power of 2  :-)  )
:-) karen

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 10:41:15 -0500
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subject:      they played romeo & juliet?
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someone posted lately that the girls played r&j at a concert and i was so
envious! that is one of the songs that i have never heard them do live and
would absolutely love to hear in concert! all the concerts i have been to,
people keep screaming for that one (in fact, at one concert, this little
person screamed for it so much that amy had to laugh.. she screamed it
every time they were in between songs!)

which brings me to what i was going to say about cover songs...i love dire
straits, and i love bob marley, and if any other artist was to start to
sing their songs, i would be very skeptical about how the new artist sang
it.

but i have to admit, i may even like amy's version of r&j better than the
original! and she does a spanking good job of redemption song. so are there
other songs they cover that anybody thinks they do even a little nicer than
the original artists? if so, i would like to know about them.

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 11:14:53 -0500
reply-to:     leah beth kaplan <indigirl@ix.netcom.com>
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from:         leah beth kaplan <indigirl@ix.netcom.com>
subject:      arm wrestling, midwest, dar in chicago (igc)

>only amy could beat both k d lang and melissa etheridge in an
>arm-wrestling match, but both of them could beat dar williams and
>joan baez in tag-team wrestling.

my friend from school is on the etheridge list (it's so much fun having
tangible internet friends!) and i were discussing this.  we determined
melissa would beat amy (according to my friend lyndsey who was
listening in on our discussion, "oh, please! does this even need to be
said, melissa by a butch 'n a half!").  melissa and amy would beat
emily, and melissa, amy, and emily could beat dar.
    if this arm wrestling match was ever to come true, it will be
staged in chicago!  because deep down inside they all hate
new england! ;)  bitter, party of one?
    is anyone going to see dar in chicago on the third?  i'd really
like to see who all you fabulous listees are!  i'm pretty easy to pick
out.  i'm pretty sure my friends and i will be the only sophomores in
high school there.  i think i'll be wearing my ben and jerry's newport
folk fest shirt or my daemon shirt.
    back to your regular scheduled whining!
        leah

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 12:15:36 -0400
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subject:      how do we get this nutcase off the list?!?

<< i am shocked & disgusted with amy, emily, and the mgmt......  >>

jesus!  did i really say that?  yep, i'm the fool who got the thank you
argument going after urvashi made an innocent comment in his post.  sorry
urvashi!

o.k. i'm gonna 'fess up now.  what i really meant to say was that i had a
really crappy day at work and i am shocked & disgusted that i have not yet
succeeded in getting amy ray to fall madly in love with me. <g!>  so i had to
bitch about something.  i often fall victim to sudden fits of rage  (hmmm.
rather like a certain indigo girl is rumoured to be?  nope, it would never
work.  our love is doomed.  we'd kill each other in the first 5 minutes.  but
it would be the best 5 minutes of my life, let me tell you!)

so, now something more lighthearted...

for the first time ms ray actually appeared to me in a dream.  this has never
happened before (fantasies, yes.  but not dreams) so she has finally invaded
my subconscious mind where my true feelings for her can express themselves.
where i have no inhibitions holding me back.  where her smile, her eyes, her
beautiful face can overpower me....we meet at a little diner somewhere in the
midwest  (not exactly romantic, but o.k. anything can happen)

we sit down at the counter and order lunch  (yes, yes, then what???)

i finally have her all to myself and we begin a discussion that lasts for
hours  (was it romantic?  was it profound?  what did you talk about?)


we discussed...


            farming.


yep.  i kid you not.  we were just two hick farmers talking about
agriculture.  dairy cows and harvesting and such.  huh?

...and they're coming to take me away ha ha
to the funny farm where life is beautiful all the time....

cheers!
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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subject:      newsletter

hello!!  i am writing to you to inform you of a new newsletter.  it features
new music, movies, tv shows, meeting people, disscuss problems in
school/work, and much more.  it comes out about once a week.  please join, it
will be fun.  e- mail me back if you would like to subscribe, thanks.

                                       camradre@aol.com

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subject:      ques. about watershed video

at one point in the video, the girls are on stage and they each have a rose.
emily says something that i can't quite make out, the audience laughs and
amy replies:  teach me, o goddess of wit.

what did em say?

cheers!
kathleen   kef1330@aol.com

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 12:40:19 -0400
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from:         kristina d vaskys <cheesehed@juno.com>
subject:      re: npr surely charges lots for all things considered tapes

>>the show you want with the igs is "all things considered" date
>9/25/97.
>
>>you can order an audio tape & transcript for $27.50
>
>holy cow!  if anyone taped this show, wouldn't it be more
>in the spirit of this list to get it from listees and boot it off
>for others?  yikes!  $27.50 is a lot!  one good thing is
>that national public radio could probably use our dough.
>i wouldn't mind helping them out with donations, but
>$27.50 for a tape and transcript seems a bit steep.

i have it (my friend called me to tell me it would be on, so i was all
ready with my tape recoreder and blank tape when it came on). so if there
is anyone else out there who wants it, just let me know, and i'll give
you my address so you can send me a blank.

kristina :o)

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subject:      re: 8/26/96 az or nm?
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the nm concert was 8/24

at 09:28 am 9/28/97 -0400, you wrote:
>hey guys
>i have a boot - las cruces nm, and caroline has a boot - mesa, az and both
>of ours say 8/26/96.  can anyone help with the dates?
>thanks
>lori (and caroline!)
>


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i'm looking for sheet music for hammer and a nail.  does anyone know
where i can find it?  the music stores around here don't carry indigo
girls sheet music and i'd like to get it soon, if possible.  i know the
fan club has stuff like that, but i haven't gotten any kind of mailing
from them in several months.

anna

"it's better to be brave than dead." --molly bancroft (lift)
http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/creechal.htm

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organization: solid waste mgmt.
subject:      winston-salem show?

i probably deleted the relevant message regarding an upcoming nc show
in winston salem (at wake forest?), and i'm thinking it's around oct.
20.  am i hallucinating this?  i am dreaming about seeing them sing
"watershed" and "prince of darkness".  pod was what turned me onto
them oh so many years ago (can it be 10 years?)

anyway, if anyone has info about the upcoming show, since i couldn't
make the asu show, i would be grateful.  thanks!

rusty in raleigh

o ' o o,,,,o o ' o o o ' o o,,,,o o ' o oo o ' o o,,


rusty harris-bishop
nc department of environment,
health, and natural resources
919/733-2801 x318

o ' o o,,,,o o ' o o o ' o o,,,,o o ' o oo o ' o o,,

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 20:48:54 +0100
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kathleen flaherty wrote:
>
> at one point in the video, the girls are on stage and they each have a rose.
>  emily says something that i can't quite make out, the audience laughs and
> amy replies:  teach me, o goddess of wit.
>
> what did em say?

i'm pretty sure emily says:  "wouldn't it be funny if they [the flowers]
were both for me and you reach your greedy little hand in there!"

hope that helps,

claudine

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 16:25:22 -0500
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      disney special

could someone private e-mail me with
a description of the disney special?  what's
the set-list?

thanks,
lisa

p.s.  i'm listening to the albany hte show
of 9/10.  what a great surprise to hear ig
open with an a capella finlandia and then
break out into soy!  wow!  excellent!  the
quality of this boot is very good too (bass is
a bit heavy and distorted, though).

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disney special??????
a little confused, but now it's coming back to me...

do you mean the concert a couple years ago?  i taped it, but don't know the
set list exactly.  they played their hits, if that helps.  you know,
galileo, this train, ghost, etc.

sorry i'm not more help.

alisa

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have two tickets for 9/30 las vegas. in the 10th row, face value+ fees
= $146.  e-mail private.  mel

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> i though it was "blood and fire" that amy doesn't play anymore...

this was played at the jacksonville oregon concert this july.  it was
awesome!

=)
seona
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lmd21@aol.com wrote:

> hey y'all--
>   i remember from awhile back that someone posted about 1200 curfews...you
> could skip back to -.02 seconds or something before your cd player would
> actually start the song, and there would be over lay.. this probably makes no
> sense, and i can't remember which song it was, but if anyone knows what i'm
> talking about.....

this happens on several of my cds depending on which cd player i use.  my cd
player starts each song (on every album) at 0, but my roomate's player starts
most songs on about 0:02 or 0:03.
i'm not sure what makes this difference.  it happens on most of my cds, including
1200 curfews.

sharon

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hey to all and faerie kisses all around -
all i can say is wow!  i saw indigo girls for the first time last night and
it was simply amazing.  sigh.   romeo and juliet!!!!!!! ahhhhhh!!!!!!
wow!!!!   i got to say hello to emily and shake her hand, i thought it was
really great how they went out into the audience, i was shocked by how some
people showed such disrespect for them, hassling them while they were trying
to collect cards from people.  it was an amazing show, an acoustic set, and
they were both adorable!!!  i'm still to happy to be really coherent.  if
anyone knows of a boot of the show, let me know how i could get a copy.
leeds was so great!!! ahhh!!!  happy happy happy!!!!

faerie kisses
heather
thepiderqueen

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hey y'all,

i'm so happy with the responses i have gotten so far to sponsor me for
aids walk atlanta!  every donation goes a long way!  a huge thanks to
everyone who has sponsored so far.  october the 18th should be a big
success, thanks to folks like y'all!

thanks,
amy
p.s. - if you'd like to help out too, please email me privately for info.
i'm off to watch xena, warrior princess now (yum!)

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hi


thought you guys might enjoy this article, i just recently received a
copy of it from an old fan and it is the oldest article by far to turn up
to date.  i will have it on the lifeblood site in the next few days.  the
work on the lifeblood site continues, we are now very close to 450
articles and 450 setlists.  i have been uploading new material
consistently 1 to 2 times a week since i started working on the site
again in april, believe it or not there are still over 800 articles left
to be typed up and added.  if you have anything that you don't already
see on the site and have the time to type it and pass it along via email,
the help would be much appreciated.  .  if you have not stopped by in a
while there is a lot of new material available on the site (in addition
to articles and setlists there is a section with lyrics and a new section
under construction with information about releases).  the address is:


www.hidwater.com/lifeblood


a big thank you to everyone who has posted articles and setlists to the
list, and to all that have taken the time to dub tapes for others


best wishes


carolyn


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here is the article:


<fontfamily><param>courier new</param><bigger>september 1980

the shamrock excalibur


emily saliers wins (almost) contest


by fred moss


each summer radio station 94-q sponsors its star quest competition. this
year shamrock student emily saliers entered the contest. she began by
sending the station a tape containing three songs which she had written.

in late august she was notified that she had been selected as a
semi-finalist. the final competition took place at atlanta's excelsior
mill night club.


though she didn't actually win, she was invited to perform at harvest
moon, another of atlanta's many clubs.  out of the thousands of entries
emily was

selected as one of the four finalists in her category.


many may remember emily for her participation in the miss shs pageant
last year. in this contest she received the talent and congeniality
awards. she also participated in the literary girls trio. emily is
involved in several other school activities. she has been chosen as a new
key club member this year. in addition to this she is president of the
concert choir and a member of shamrock's award winning drama
club.</bigger></fontfamily>

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 20:55:10 -0500
reply-to:     kare rosenblum <klrosenb@wittenberg.edu>
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from:         kare rosenblum <klrosenb@wittenberg.edu>
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did anyone happen to boot one of the shows where they did watershed?  if
so, would it be possible for me to send a blank tape to get a copy?
please e-mail me if this is possible.  thanks!
:-) karen

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 21:34:58 -0400
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from:         michelle reeves <chelle2930@aol.com>
subject:      aids walk austin

i thought possibly she might get in trouble with this post, so i didn't do
what i had wanted as well. i, too, am walking in an aids walk, but it is here
in austin. if anyone who hasn't already sponsored, would like to please email
me for full details. it's on oct 19, one day after atlanta's. thanks.

michelle (austin, texas)

>  hey y'all,
>
>  i'm so happy with the responses i have gotten so far to sponsor me for
>  aids walk atlanta!  every donation goes a long way!  a huge thanks to
>  everyone who has sponsored so far.  october the 18th should be a big
>  success, thanks to folks like y'all!
>

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 21:37:47 -0400
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subject:      dallas morning news article

the following article appeared in the sunday, september 28 edition of the
dallas morning news.  it is reproduced here entirely without permission.  any
typos are mine and mine alone :-)

anti-nuke musicians band together
by j.d. considine
baltimore sun

some folks, upon hearing that bonnie raitt, the indigo girls and mary chapin
carpenter would be playing a series of no nukes benefit concerts in
washington, d.c., this week, probably thought to themselves: "cool. where can
i get tickets."

others, however, may have wondered: "no nukes? didn't they take care of that
back in the 70's?"

don't worry.  bonnie raitt understands.  "until there's an accident, people
don't listen to stories about the nuclear issue in america," she says.  "they
think it's a dead issue."

it's not.  in fact, there are bills pending in congress that would establish
nuclear waste dumps in yucca mountain, nev., and sierra blanca, texas.
moreover, says, ms. raitt, even if those particular sites don't seem
worrisome because they happen to be in somebody else's backyard, that waste
would at some point pass through 43 states on its way to the proposed dumps.

"i don't think the public is aware of the fact that this stuff is going to be
transported to all these places, " says ms. raitt.  "they're talking about
15,000 to 80,000 shipments over the next 30 years."

this sort of ground-level activism is also what keeps the indigo girls
involved in such issues.  "i've always been interested in politics," says amy
ray, one half of the duo.  "when i was in high school, i was into student
government and things like that.  i was into being involved, in the idea that
you can change things.  but my world vision was very underdeveloped."

that changed when ms. ray went to college. but for her, the catalyst wasn't
classes on public policy, but the lyrics of punk rock bands such as the
clash.

"it was kind of like [it is] for some kids who listen to rage against the
machine now.  maybe you hear [the band's singer] do an interview where he
mentions a noam chomsky book.  i can't remember specifics, but i do remember
as i started getting into some of this other music, there were a lot of
political things that came with it."

one issue the indigo girls have worked for in recent years has been american
indian rights.  part of the reason they're involved in this no nukes benefit
is to fight hr bill 1270, which would create a radioactive waste site on the
grounds of a shoshone reservation near yucca mountain.

ms. raitt wishes more musicians got involved with these issues. "i need to
get puff daddy on the no nukes side.  radiation is going to affect a lot more
people than just over-40 political activists."

"i'd like to get the attention of some more of my fellow artists."

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 22:09:45 -0400
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emily in a pagent?  does that strike any one else as weird?

alisa

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"...for everything i've learned
there are two i don't understand."
           emily saliers


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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 22:23:09 -0400
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let me clarify what i was saying about bill gates' financial gifts to harvard:
the point i was trying to make is that if you possess the brains to get into
harvard, you're not gonna be at too much of a disadvantage in life (compared to
someone of average or low intelligence/ability), imho.  i wholeheartedly
agree that folks without the financial means need those scholarships!
peace, (and may this be my last post about mr. gates:)

joan :-d

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date:         sun, 28 sep 1997 23:20:15 -0400
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subject:      nigc-karrie

sorry to waste bandwidth...
karrie, i lost your e-mail.  i may be able to get you tickets for the
binghamton show.  e-mail me asap because i am leaving town soon.
carrie with a c

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