lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-10e


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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 00:01:19 -0500
reply-to:     katherine hames <kehame@mail.wm.edu>
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from:         katherine hames <kehame@mail.wm.edu>
subject:      burn all the letters question
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hey y'all- just taking a study break to ask a question that's been on my
mind lately...

is it just me, or does it seem like batl doesn't get played as much in
concert these days?  at both of the concerts i've been to, it was left out,
much to my disappointment.  do y'all have opinions on this, or on the song?
i really like it and have been hoping to hear it live.  it just seems like
of all the songs on sots, it's the one that is most likely to get left off
the setlist, and i wonder why.

katherine

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 00:05:13 -0500
reply-to:     abolton@depauw.edu
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from:         anna bolton <abolton@depauw.edu>
subject:      chicago and missouri tickets
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does anyone have two chicago tickets?!!! i thought i had two, but due
to miscommunication i lost them.  i am devastated about this, so please
email me if there is a possibility you might sell 2 tickets.
also, i know there is a show in missouri (central missouristate i believe)
but i deleted everything about it b/c i thought i was going to the chicago
show.  if you know any info about this show, please email me privately.
thanks, and please, if you have tickets to the chicago show sell them to me:

)
anna bolton

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 00:16:07 -0500
reply-to:     cybernot <cybernot@uscom.com>
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from:         cybernot <cybernot@uscom.com>
subject:      emily litella novella (nigc)
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what is all this fuss about hot flashes at indigo girls concerts? if a
woman has a hot flash while watching the girls, how does that affect
miss binky? does this mean that we have to take estrogen suppliments
before we can see the girls? will security confiscate those little
personal size fans that we must carry around to compensate for the
incredible amount of heat we are giving off?
and another thing, is susan b. marine the spawn of cheddar cheese.... oh
nevermind!

cybernot

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 00:09:04 -0500
reply-to:     chloe c heymann <cch211@is8.nyu.edu>
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from:         chloe c heymann <cch211@is8.nyu.edu>
subject:      tapes
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i just had a question and i'm not sure if anyone has the answer. a friend
of mine heard that a while ago the indigo girls had a contest for best
song lyrics for middle and high school students in scholastic magazine (i
think). in return the all contestants were given a cd or tape with some
indigo girls songs and commentary by amy and emily. my friend really wants
to have a copy of it. i was wondering if anyone knew anything about this
and where i could get a copy for her. i can be reached at:
cch211@is8.nyu.edu  (address all lowercase)
thanks a lot,
chloe

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 00:15:25 -0500
reply-to:     chloe c heymann <cch211@is8.nyu.edu>
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from:         chloe c heymann <cch211@is8.nyu.edu>
subject:      indigo girls fan club
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hey everybody again,
i have one more question that someone might have the answer too. over the
summer i got the number for the indigo girl's fan club off of the epic
website and i called the number. there was a recording that said that if
we wanted to join and get news letters, updates, and merchandise lists we
could leave our name and address on the machine. i did that and waited a
while and nothing happened. a month later i tried it again and still
nothing. finally, about a month ago i called the number again and the
message was different and this time it said that if we wanted indigo girls
information we should send a post card (to the address given on the
machine) with our name and address and we would receive a newsletter etc.
i still haven't received anything, though. i was wonderting if anyone knew
anything about this. do fans only receive information at certain times
during the year or are they not sending this stuff out anymore? if anyone
has the answer or some information on this i would love it if you could
e-mail me back at:
cch211@is8.nyu.edu  (address all lowercase)
thanks a lot,
chloe

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 00:35:23 -0500
reply-to:     amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
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from:         amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
subject:      hey, somebody email me! (nigc)
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i just opened up an email account thru aol, and i want to make sure it
works.  i mean, it should, but i guess i'm just paranoid!  anyway, i'd
really appreciate it if somebody would send me a quick message.  here's
the addy:
shindigo@aol.com

oh, to hear the words "you've got mail"!
thanks in advance,
amy

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date:         tue, 28 oct 1997 21:47:10 -0700
reply-to:     kristina <andrade@az.com>
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from:         kristina <andrade@az.com>
subject:      re: more original that a t-shirt....ig stamps for sale!!
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>the designs are at melanie's web site at:
>
>http://members.aol.com/melaniekrs/igstamp.html

i just wanted to say that melanie is also a friend of mine (i met her on a
rubberstamping list). rubberstamps are her business, she owns toad
hall/rubber anarchy. she is definitely trustworthy. if you weren't sure
about sending your money to this woman don't worry about it, she'll get
your order to you. :) just remember you'll also need to buy a stamp pad,
these aren't self-inking. you can get one at any office supply store or you
might have a rubberstamp store in your town, check the yellow pages.

k.

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 00:49:25 -0500
reply-to:     memememi@aol.com
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from:         lisa dupre <memememi@aol.com>
subject:      the mysterious laughing song - long!

hi!!

i have been trying to answer privately whenever people ask about the
mysterious song that a&e start to play before tried to be true recently.  but
since they keep **teasing** people with it, i thought i'd go ahead and post
to the list.    some one is going to be the lucky one to see them do it
eventually =)

the song is called "powderfinger" and it's a cover song by neil young.
  makes sense, right, with them being such neil young fans?   amy played this
song at michelle malone's cd release party in july, and i just heard her do
it again at the soundcheck in pelham.

the actual song goes like this:

powderfinger - by neil young

look out momma there's a white boat coming up the river
with a big red red beacon and a flag and a man on the rail
you better call john cause it don't look like they're here to deliver
the mail
and it's less than a mile away
i hope they haven't come to stay
it's got numbers on the side and a gun and it's swinging this way

daddy's gone and my brother's out hunting in the mountains
big john's been drinking since the river took emmy lou
and the powers that be left me here to do the thinkin'
and i just turned 22
i was wonderin' what to do
the closer they got, the more those feelings grew

daddy's rifle in my hand felt reassuring
he told me red means run son, numbers don't add up to nothin'
and when the first shot hit the dock, i saw it comin'
raised my rifle to my eye
never stopped to wonder why
then i saw black and my face splashed in the sky

shelter me from the powder and the finger
cover me with the thought that pulled the trigger
think of me as the one you'd never figure
to fade away so young
so much left undone
remember me to my love
i know i'll miss her

so that's the mysterious song.   they started to play it twice in blacksburg
during the hte tour, and stopped both times and had a good laugh about it =)
  emily actually announced it, after amy started singing it the second time,
and then amy got cold feet and decided to play a request for kid fears
instead.

thanks to moira and sandie for the lyrics =)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!   they were with
me in july when we first saw amy do this song, and it haunted me for quite a
while.
=)
lisa

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 00:52:14 -0500
reply-to:     marivel danielson <marivel@umich.edu>
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from:         marivel danielson <marivel@m.imap.itd.umich.edu>
subject:      re: cameras (response to amanda's post)

> i've had great affordable success with my minolta
> auto focus freedom zoom 70ex camera, with
> flash and only 200 speed film.

wow, funny you should mention that cause i have the exact same camera only with
400 film and i think just about everyone on the list knows how happy i was with
my pictures!  so definately for the money this one is a great buy in my opinion.
actually at shakopee's lilith fair (outdoors) my brother and i stood front row
and both took a whole bunch of pictures with each of our cameras, and when we
got them back, mine were actually better, even though he has way more
photography experience and an $800 camera.  so getting good pictures seems to be
about a lot of things.  equipment, lighting, position and most of all good
karma!  happy snapping (be it with or without flash) to all!

marivel

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 01:30:55 -0500
reply-to:     marivel danielson <marivel@umich.edu>
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from:         marivel danielson <marivel@m.imap.itd.umich.edu>
subject:      flash stuff...

okay, i thought that i was going to be creating an a stir with my post about
pictures and i wasn't wrong.  for those who asked me about my camera, it was one
of those dinky ones with no detachable zoom.  but i won't waste more of anyone's
time talking about it to everyone, cause i know there are some battles i just
can't win.  i apologize from the bottom of my heart for making anyone miserable
with my flash.  i apologize on behalf of all the people who have ever used a
flash in a concert ever.

of course it didn't go off all the time.  being that i was pretty much looking
straight into the lights from such a close distance, many times the shot didn't
require it.  but i know that that is not the point some of you were trying to
make.  you were trying to tell me that flash is annoying and unnecessary.  i'd
argue with unnecessary, but annoying i'll have to own up to.  but my view is
that it's a concert.  we are all there for different reasons.  some people love
to scream and wooo hooo with all the lung capacity they can muster.  for me this
detracts tremendously from a concert.  what else is a concert about more than
the music?  and when someone lets out a 20 second wail *every* 30 seconds, it
certainly takes away from my enjoyment of the music.  there's nothing like a
really deep dark ballad interrupted every few beats by the ever popular
declaration: "amy your my goddess!!!" or those whistles that seem to rupture
eardrums in foreign countries...not to mention what they do to nearby ears.

but...that's only my opinion.  i know a lot of you all don't feel that way and
think that the audience noise adds to the energy of the concert.  okay.  we
agree to disagree.   so please!  all of you screamers out there do not e-mail me
about how unfair and bitchy i'm being by telling you not to scream.  i'm not
saying that!  i would never ask anyone to be quiet during a show (unless they
were drunk or something), because it's not my right to determine what is
acceptable and unacceptable behavior.  i choose to be there knowing exactly what
to expect.  and that's kind of how i feel about flash.  it's unpleasant to some
people, but i've never been asked to stop.  not by security, not by anyone
around me, and not by either of the girls.  now maybe amy and emily are just
being polite (although if amy was upset with me she certainly hid it well--you
know she gave me the setlist at the *end* of the show after all of those pics
were taken and was smiling at me throughout...seems like if she was pissed at me
she would have ignored me a lot more).  but on the other hand, security has no
reason to be polite, and certainly when things get tight in those concerts, i
find people tend to speak their minds quite freely, and if i was asked to stop
by a fellow audience member i would compromise and cut down on my flash use for
the remainder of the concert.  it has just never happened.  not at umbc or
anywhere else. mostly people just tell me they wish they had thought to bring
their camera too.

and it really seems like those of you who have been writing know a lot more
about photography than i do, so i cannot have an educated conversation about
flash and it's relevance at concerts.  i just know the experiences i've had at
my 3 ig concerts.  the first show i was really close, and purposely turned off
the flash because the security guys were letting people know it wasn't cool.
but my camera has an auto turn off thing and so if i don't mess with it for a
few minutes it shuts off and all of the settings go back to the defaults.  so
auto-flash is turned on again.  so a couple of times i didn't realize this and
went to take the picture and had a heartattack when it went off.  but when i got
my roll back maybe 4 of the shots turned out, and they all appeared to coincide
with the flash.  it was just the 2 of them (a and e), so nothing was lit but the
girls, and the rest of my photos were dim and foggy.  sorry this is such a
non-technical description.  but i'm getting to my point, the next time i used
flash (at an outdoor venue) every single picture turned out.  and this time at
umbc...well you all know how they came back.  so i'm just kind of going with
that whole really primitive theory of rewarded behavior.  you know...the only
time i get good pictures happens to be when i've had flash, so my mind tells me
that's the way to go.  but you anti-flash people have got me wondering, so i'll
try and experiment with it.  if i can get the same quality pics without annoying
anyone i'd be in heaven.  it's certainly worth checking out.  the hard part is
that if turns out that i needed flash, by the time i realize it, my bad photos
will be developed and the concert will be a distant memory.  they should put up
a little photo booth in the venues so we could check these things more quickly!

well if i don't stop myself now this is gonna challenge my other posts for
length, so i'll end here and follow this up with a post about all my lovely
photo offer responses.  so if you wrote me about them, look for that in a few
minutes...

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 03:12:31 -0500
reply-to:     marivel danielson <marivel@umich.edu>
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from:         marivel danielson <marivel@m.imap.itd.umich.edu>
subject:      umbc pics

hi all!

well i thought that some of y'all would appreciate a few copies of my pics, but
honestly i never expected this.  i guess i was just expecting people who were
actually at the baltimore show, but i think my list is now floating at around 70
people so far, and though responses are slowing, they are still coming in.  and
before i say anything else i want to thank all of you who were sooo sweet and
let me know how much you enjoyed my posts and appreciated the offer.  even
though this is looking like a monstrous task, i promise i will do my best to get
photos out to all that requested, and at the cheapest price that i can find
around here.  the thing is that since i'm dealing with such a huge number of
people i'm going to have to rethink how this will all work best.  rather than
deal with individual requests for particular photos, what i'm thinking for now
is to make up little packages (like maybe 5 to 10 photos) of different interest
groups.  like one would be "duo-pics" of the girls together on stage, then
"emily-lovers" and of course "amy-lovers" for those wishing to appreciate each
girl in her own individual glory.  and then probably a potpourri if you will
(i've always wanted to say that!) with a little of everything, solo and duo, amy
and emily.  does that sound okay?  i'll look at the pictures some more and try
and figure out what i've got and then i can work up specific descriptions of
each photo in each of the groups so you know roughly what you there is to choose
from and what you would be getting.  but i know there are people who wanted
enlargements, and i don't yet know how i'm going to figure out all that.  i
might have to do that in packages too.  like offer only a couple of particular
photos for enlargement.  that means i'm going to have to take head counts of who
wants what, and then send cost info to you all when i know what you want and how
much they are charging me.  and of course this will all get done after i get
back from my concert getaway this weekend (that is...if i figure out how i'm
getting to new york!).  but to get the ball rolling and organize a little, i've
compiled a list of all the people who have contacted me about wanting photos.
would those interested mind checking the list and making sure if you want copies
that your address is on the list below and if not then let me know. and if you
happen to be on the list and don't want to be, e-mail me about that too.  as you
can see i'm working with a ton of e-mail and i fully expect to screw up at least
a couple of times, but with everyone's help i should be able to get it all
figured out.

oh and remember this list doesn't include the umbc boot requests.  did you all
see that there is another tape out there of this show?  i could probably get it
to you sooner, but i'm pretty sure the other boot is better quality, so those of
you who have already e-mailed me about it as well as those who were planning on
e-mailing me...think it over and let me know next week (after tuesday please)
with something in the subject line about "umbc boot".  and for those writing
about pictures, if i could get you all using the same subject heading that would
be really nice.  how about umbc pics?  i know it's shocking how original and
creative i am at 3 in the morning, isn't it?  well so there you have it.  i hope
it's clear.  thanks for the incredible response and may we all have spectacular
weekends! (my body may be in wednesday but my mind is firmly positioned at
friday...)

marivel

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sb <sharonb@geocities.com>
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jen  jsmith6111@aol.com
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sam  <jmonfort@vannet.k12.wa.us>
christy ruby <cruby02@mail.win.org>
heather   h the dancing machine <hhusted@bu.edu>
robin mullins <rmullins@ucla.edu>
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heather@coaps.fsu.edu (heather davis)
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stephanie merhar <slm4b@server1.mail.virginia.edu>
elizabeth <defaultuser@domain.com>
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chelle   sistagrove@aol.com
amanda rae <littledyke@geocities.com>
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christian bergquist <cbergquist@gvhs.org>
lisa  memememi@aol.com
mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
debra  thehintons@juno.com (remmele j. hinton)
"tracy - now b.a. !!!!!" <clumber@bigfoot.com>
alicia m noel  <amnst12+@pitt.edu>
karen  "k. asiu" <kla@aloha.net>
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cori  dot@mail-atm.nycap.rr.com
kristina <andrade@az.com>
"susan" <scorpio7@sagami.or.jp>
"camille kearl" <sasscambo@classic.msn.com>
hlc <hlc@portal.ca>
sarah pinsker <spinsker@goucher.edu>
alisa greenberg <agreenb1@swarthmore.edu>
dp823@freenet.carleton.ca (sandy ng)
chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
joy  blaze@voyageronline.net
angie  amyray97@aol.com

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 03:17:02 -0500
reply-to:     h the dancing machine <hhusted@bu.edu>
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subject:      new haven!
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[this post is obnoxiously long but has some goodies in there so don't give
me a hard time for being on topic.  and baigls, we're never on topic so i
know you don't mind--luv y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  xoxoxo]

hey kidderoonies

it was a great show!  i can still be excited after oh 18 hours awake so it
musta been sumfin special.  let me just say romeo and juliet!  chris
imershein rocks!  third row dead center man.  plus he's got these cute
little dance moves like we'd do in church camp--you know, plummeting planes
in galileo and big suns in gotm.  ;)  i don't think i stepped on him enough
dancing this time so he deserves a tease.  good to see such a cute indigo
couple as he and linda, tho not so cute as karen and boilrmakr of course.
;)  the girls have really pulled their songs into something close to
mastery.  i thought they were good in the summer, spring, but now fall's
here i'm once again mouth agape and heart pounding.

caroline aiken has really grown on me--i liked her okay sunday but she was
wowsers tonight!  i gotta get myself a pair of leather pants like that.  ;)
i luv that "all wet" song she does about the gay men she saw in the space
needle--aw i probably botched that story but you know what i mean.  we were
all hanging out with her after the show--hey mel south, we reminded her of
ya and she was confused for about four minutes but we reminded her about the
t-shirt thing and she was like "oh yeah!  tell her i remembered her!"  so i
am. :)  she's just the coolest lady--signing cds (too bad i was already
broke) and chewing the fat and she took notes from everybody and promised
she'd hand-deliver them to the girls.  if you're dying to know what we wrote
you can email me but i'm already way too chatty.  very smiley--her and fran
were kvetching about how they could be our mothers.  there were about eight
people hanging out with her for a while after the show just hoping the girls
would come by and chatting with her.  anyway, for more caroline content just
ask me.

well i lost my little scrap i'd scrawled the setlist on, dang it, so here's
what i remember.  dennis scored a setlist from scully--er, that should be
sully not the lovely dana--those photos on amy's amp are the trippiest!  so
the honorary lesbian (which is also what amy called jerry marotta) should be
posting it tomorrow we hope.  thanks chris (guinione@aol.com).   (sorry i
didn't meet you--i did look!) for posting a temp one.

galileo!  weird to open with that.  maybe it's just me.  but the girls
looked happy to take the stage and you shoulda seen emily smiling at fran
egan (who's the bestest indigo den mother in case you haven't met her)
dancing and shaking her sweet mama self there.  we drew a lot of attn cause
we were so shameless in our abandon and our dancing machine moves. can i
just say what a thrill it is to catch emily's eye?  (even at 2 am that
sounds odd) and have i mentioned lately i'm in love with sara lee?  (mostly
str8 engaged girl talkin, tame your flaming fingertips, people).  she was so
adorable tonight.  black or dark purple leather pants on and those decadent
fuschia alligator shoes, and a plain white t-shirt.  och!  anyway, she might
have remembered me from sunday, or maybe she just got a kick out of someone
dancing to chickenman that crazy but she grinned at me for a good while.

anyway i'm digressing

soy--fun time, lots more dancing of course.  was it just me or was this a
really diverse crowd?  yuppie couples, yalies, gay couples, nymphette
lesbians, baigls? amy's got the cutest thing going with her hands in this
song, especially the beautiful ladies part--no eyes rollin' but she kinda
shakes her head from side to side  and waves her hands in the air.

3 hits--jerry and sara just blew us away tonight.  palace theater has great
acoustics and those opening bass chords were just vibrating through my
shoes.  excellent.  in the bridge, amy just went nuts thrashing her guitar.

caramia--did i miss this?  i don't remember them singing it and i've been
really wanting to hear it again.

sb--the end bit "i am the bane [i swear it's not "to blame" this time] and
so are you...."  during the hey blue blood you're nothing new part where she
howls, amy hurled her pick away, grabbed the microphone with both hands and
started wailing into the mike.  then quick as a lick she grabs a pick off
the stand and works the guitar again.  e had her phenomonal guitar solo again.

gotm--orange juice!  more dancing.  the girls were both having the time of
their lives--smiling and really just enjoying the crowd.  it was a *good*
crowd too, real enthusiastic--people actually were shouting "you go girl!"
during some of the jams.

the neil young song--a said they'd seen a movie about him today--i think it
must be "crazy horse" which is out in boston.  e was just really starting to
jam when a chucked it and tore into ttbt.  i love what they do with that
number.  it's just a rowdy fun-to-play number like land of canaan and
they're so obviously having fun that it's great just to watch them.

leeds is really getting good.  when i heard it at unh emily was really
straining and grating (dearly tho i love her) but either her vocal nodes are
better or her range has really increased b/c she was just wonderful,
powerful and thrilling.  and the audience was singing so pretty behind me it
was truly beautiful.  what a nice crowd.

dgtgag!!!  can i just say how much i've missed hearing about this song
lately?  i'm so glad she sang it tonite.  her intensity did not equal what
she was going thru with cio sunday but damn if she isn't the sexiest singer
around.  anyway, the lyrics have changed somewhat (or they were tonight):
at the end:
"well hold me closer cause something's happenin'
well, i just can't get it together
she said i doubt you ever will, ever will again.
i said don't..."

then at the end she just went off on this absolutely breathtaking song, all
by herself, the crowd was just awestruck, dumbstruck, amystruck silent for
it; emily was fingerpicking softly on the side:

"don't give that girl a gun, etc.
<quieter>
give that back
give it back
i say give it back
give it back baby
give that back..."
etc.
real soft and sorrowful and pleading like.  there was a communal hush of
inward drawn breath.  it was a moment.

i'm getting tired and i know there are lots of things i'm forgetting.

eiiot--so very lovely.  emily is so much fun to watch perform.  she doesn't
steal scenes like amy but she has so much integrity and honesty in her music
it's just a cool drink of water to watch her.  the lighting at this show was
great, and for most of this song, amy was bathed in indigo light and emily
in red.  it was gorgeous.

chickenman has got a new soc going.
what i remember goes something like:
"all the carnage of our journeys
makes it harder to be giving"
and also something about sleeping on a mountaintop at night with the stars
over head and wading at dawn in the bitter river, then
"he asked me, "are you lonely?"
and i said, "yes i've been so lonely, so lonely"
he asked me, "are you happy?"
and i said, "yes i've been happy!!!!"

i really want to try & transcript this one--it's no trillium soc for sure,
but it is delivered just right.  dave was again fabulous on the harmonica.

and for those of you who made it to the end of this:

the scoop on the ctf girl--she first got their attention (a lot of it--they
kept looking over and amy had to look away at one point with this goofy grin
on her face while e kept right on smiling at them) when she and her
girlfriend stood body to body hugging and dancing the entire song.  it was
cool tho, b/c it's a love song you know?  then later in the show she shouted
up she wanted to be the third indigo girl, and the first black one!  and the
girls were just eating it up so they invited her up for ctf.  she was so
good too it made that song so much fun all over again--a-dancin' and
a-singin' she put a lot of vitality onto the stage.  she was actually really
good!  so it wasn't obnoxious or anything, i know people were concerned it
would get tired after a while.

sorry if i ate up a digest with this, folks, but hopefully it was worth it.
this concert cannot be fully experienced with a bootleg.  you can't imagine
what a good video it would have made.  there are three different bootlegs
out there so something hopefully will come out of it.

luv
h the concert slut(c)
[(c) susan b. marine, used with permission]

ps--tempted, but "just a schmeer" has not yet reached the girls. ;)

pps-hey nor'easters, join the baigls!  come see lift with us in november!!!
email cmbecker@space.mit.edu and ask to be signed on!!!  we're fresh and
crunchy and we only bite if you want us to.  promise.
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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 08:31:22 gmt
reply-to:     devanjfl <devanjfl@helios.aston.ac.uk>
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from:         devanjfl <devanjfl@helios.aston.ac.uk>
subject:      ig dates in oz?

hey,

i'm writing to ask if anyone has details of dates in australia? i'm
writing for a friend who can't subscribe to the list. i usually think
questions like this are a waste of bandwidth but i've been keeping my
eyes open for a couple of weeks and nobody's mentioned anything.

please email me privately rather than the list.

thanks very muchly,

johnd

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 02:03:11 -0800
reply-to:     john miller <de_moaner@hotmail.com>
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from:         john miller <de_moaner@hotmail.com>
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this was forwarded this to my hotmail account...

  >date: thu, 23 oct 1997 22:14:40 -0700
  >from: amanda rae <littledyke@geocities.com>
  >reply-to: littledyke@geocities.com
  >subject: nigc/nadc -- attn john miller
  >
  >if anyone has heard from john miller..or if he himself
  >would like to come forward...

sounds like some folks are trying to reach me... meanwhile i
am only able to receive (or send) less than 1/2 of my email
because we're sitting behind a flaky local network.

my site warned me that several months of system 'upgrades'
might cause intermittent outages, and i have *had* various
intermittent email problems since last june... it happened
often enough that i gave my home/work phones to branches on
the berkeley tapetree so branches could reach me, regardless
of email problems... but the current email situation is the
worst i've ever known... i'm getting dropped from the network
every 5 minutes!

i don't see any quick or easy fix to the current situation, so
if you're trying to reach me via email, you'll increase your
chances of reaching me if you 'cc' my web-based account at:

    <de_moaner@hotmail.com>

i access this hotmail account 3-4 times/week from off-site.

john miller  <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>  or  <de_moaner@hotmail.com>
san jose ca

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date:         thu, 23 oct 1997 03:10:44 -0400
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hi there.  i posted yesterday with a request about getting information
regarding the geneseo concert.  could someone please give me a phone # or
some sort of direction as to where i can get tix.  please.
thank you.

tami

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 08:31:37 -0500
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listers going to dayton,

.... where are y'all staying? there's a holiday inn dayton north about
4.2 miles from the u of d arena and a holiday inn dayton south about 3.3
miles away. anyone made plans yet?

       **** thanks jill :) ***
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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 08:41:08 est
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      ferrick

--- paul wrote:
2) i'm trying to find a mailing list for melissa ferrick.. does anybody have
any info on how to subscribe? thanx in advance.

--- end of quote ---
there used to be one run by a guy named steve (i think) and his address was
ferrickfan@aol.com. i wrote to him once about it and he said that it didn't
exist anymore (the list).

i may start one, and if i do, i'll post info to the list.

sus :)
anyone going to brrrlington tonite besides me and my frenz?

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 08:55:55 -0500
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hey,
     i heard ig play this at the mm benefit and it really was awesome!!!!

smiles,
allison

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 05:59:25 pst
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ok, deja vu time...who should play emily and who should play amy in
the movie?

>i knew it!  i knew it!  someone call oliver stone!  it's all a
>conspiracy!


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>hey y'all- just taking a study break to ask a question that's been on my
>mind lately...
>
>is it just me, or does it seem like batl doesn't get played as much in
>concert these days?  at both of the concerts i've been to, it was left out,
>much to my disappointment.  do y'all have opinions on this, or on the song?
> i really like it and have been hoping to hear it live.  it just seems like
>of all the songs on sots, it's the one that is most likely to get left off
>the setlist, and i wonder why.
>
>katherine
>
hey,
        i know!!! i looove that song and it doesn't seem like they play it
anymore. that and language or the kiss i haven't heard in a looong time :-(
the last time i heard batl was on the pay per view sots tour this summer.
has anyone else on the list heard it at any of the concerts?
                                                        -heather

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 06:12:54 pst
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>fear of goats.

clarification: not fear of stinking old goats, but fear of young,
nubile goats.
(or, for the agri-culturalists among us, perhaps i should make that
nubian goats??!!)
peace-nic

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cybernot (cybernot@uscom.com) wrote:
>what is all this fuss about hot flashes at indigo girls concerts? if a
>woman has a hot flash while watching the girls, how does that affect
>miss binky? does this mean that we have to take estrogen suppliments
>before we can see the girls? will security confiscate those little
>personal size fans that we must carry around to compensate for the
>incredible amount of heat we are giving off?

estrogen supplemention is unnatural, and ditch the personal fans.
there's nothing wrong with being a red-hot mama, and sweat is good if it
smells clean.

>and another thing, is susan b. marine the spawn of cheddar cheese.... oh
>nevermind!

actually, i suspect that sus is really the spawn of suzi creamcheese
(any frank zappa fans out there?) and a yet-to-be-determined rock star
from the late 60's era.  the similarities between sus and suzi are
strange, to say the least.... ;)

peace,
fran e.
>

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 09:40:54 -0500
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subject:      utica & umbc boot

good morning all!

well i have 2 quick items on this lovely wednesday (actually i haven't looked
out a window yet, but i have an icky day in front of me and i'm trying to be as
positive as possible!).  the first is that i have a utica ticket that needs to
be sold.  you know how a lot of you have been begging me for pics (which by the
way is not necessary)?  well now i'm begging for someone to please by this
ticket and come to the utica concert this saturday.  from what i understand the
concert (all concerts this weekend?) are sold out, and i'll even give you a
little deal on the ticket.  and i'll meet ya right out front and give you a big
hug if that will help the deal any.  the seat is going to be either row u or row
s and the venue skips 2 early letters (according to the seating chart) so these
would be rows 17 or 19.  anybody?  come on! have mercy on a girl who got screwed
by our friends at ticketmaster.  well, just thought i'd put this out there and
if anyone at all is interested please e-mail me.  i"m getting real desperate.
you know i might even look into getting some pictures copied today, so i could
bring them if that would influence anyone.  i don't know if i have anything else
to offer.  just that ever popular first born offer, and since i'm not too hot
about pregnancy right now, if i do ever have a child...damn it if that kid isn't
stuck with me!

alright, second matter...the second umbc boot holder (that we know of) posted
the following letter.  i haven't contacted her yet cause she said she won't be
doing them for a few weeks, but if you wanted this boot and prefer quality to
speed (i know i do!) then you should wait and contact her about her copy of the
show.  so that's it for the moment.  please think about the utica ticket.  come
on, do really want to miss it if amy plays romeo and juliet!!!!  help me out!!!

thanks (sorry for the begging)...

marivel

==============================

we (deb & i (indigo@mindspring.com))  also have a copy of this show. deb's
out of town for a few days & i haven't had time to listen to it yet, but it
is complete (well just ig, we didn't tape carolyn).  one of us will let you
know when we're ready for requests (it may be a couple of weeks).

i agree with what everyone else had to say about the show... the crowd was
great, really into the show, singing along to just about every song and
even the people in the bleachers stood most of the night! we've been to
several shows on this tour and this had to be one of the best! amy & emily
we're definitly having a good time and it showed.

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 09:42:03 est
reply-to:     "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      chyx who rawk

--- dan wrote:
i just got the new edition of rs, women in rock. while they do mention
joni mitchell, ani difranco, criss hynde and melissa e. they failed to
mention indigo girls at all.

what is it with rs and vh-1? it seems like every time one of these wimps
runs a "women in rock" type of special, they always fail to mention
ig!!?
--- end of quote ---

you know, i thought that was interesting too. i bought the book for it's
extensive coverage of women punk musicians but i thought there'd be at least a
*mention* of the girls....nada.

rolling stone has never given great coverage of any sort to them, but i think
it's fair to say that the ig's "influence" in terms of their historical impact
on music remains to be seen. their careers are, imho, just starting to hit full
swing with the new record , more collaborations, bigger venues.....so maybe
they will be more prominently included on "women in rock volume 2". which of
course, i will be writing as my doctoral disseration in the year 2000 hee hee

;-)

sus

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i heard it at the boone concert but that was an hte concert and ulali (sp) was
there too.
emily said she just did not like to play it without them.  too bad to....cool
song.

b
still steady at it looking for meaningful employment


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>hey y'all- just taking a study break to ask a question that's been on my
>mind lately...
>
>is it just me, or does it seem like batl doesn't get played as much in
>concert these days?  at both of the concerts i've been to, it was left out,
>much to my disappointment.  do y'all have opinions on this, or on the song?
> i really like it and have been hoping to hear it live.  it just seems like
>of all the songs on sots, it's the one that is most likely to get left off
>the setlist, and i wonder why.
>
>katherine
>
hey,
        i know!!! i looove that song and it doesn't seem like they play it
anymore. that and language or the kiss i haven't heard in a looong time :-(
the last time i heard batl was on the pay per view sots tour this summer.
has anyone else on the list heard it at any of the concerts?
                                                        -heather

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    i've decided it's about time for me to get a new tape recorder, so
of course i want to make sure i get one small enough and good enough
for...uh....you know.  so, if anyone has any suggestions for what kind
of recorder to get, it would help me tremendously.  i want one small
enough, of course, but also good enough to sound pretty decent.  my
price preferences are:  not incredibly expensive, but i am willing to
pay a little more for one that doesn't sound like crap.  so, if you have
experience and would be kind enough to give me some pointers, i would be
very appreciative.

thanks so much,
sharon

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 10:07:34 -0500
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> ok, deja vu time...who should play emily and who should play amy in
> the movie?

i claim the part of amy!!  although i'd have to dye my hair
brown........now who's gonna be emily?

sharon

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wait!!!!  i'm blond, and i can play guitar, and i know all the lyrics to
all the songs (good little fan i try to be).  i wanna be emily!!!  we
can rehearse at the flying biscuit!  i'll just put a reddish tint to my
hair and be a strawberry!

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>
>> ok, deja vu time...who should play emily and who should play amy in
>> the movie?
>
>i claim the part of amy!!  although i'd have to dye my hair
>brown........now who's gonna be emily?
>
>sharon
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helllllllooooooo everyone,
hey y'all,
hkf's,

so i just want to say the palace theater is an awesome, intimate,
beautiful setting for an ig show - lighting and acoustics was wonderful...

here's a setlist from a soundcheck person (right next to the exit!!!!) 8-) :

galileo
shame on you
power of two
three hits
eiiot
scooter boys
gotm
neil young tune....."quiet, quiet" ->
tried to be true
ghost
shed your skin
least complicated
dgtgag
leeds
chickenman
va woolf
--------------
can't find my way home
romeo & juliet <sigh>
closer to fine

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
awesome beginning to a concert - i was running through the lobby
when galileo started - <phew...close one!!!>..... really got the show off
on the right foot.....

and then soy - she started strummin the strat (amy) and then stopped -
fixed something on the amp - and then started strummin' again..... hehe -
kind of funny.....

po2 - really beautiful - i pictured in my head two people dancing at a
wedding....

eiiot - usually not my favorite - but amazing range - & at the end, when
she sort of hummms that hypnotizing part - wow!!!!....

sb - no cortez <phooey>, but awesome ending - just kind of on her own
- being real intense - really sucked you in and saw her energy....

gotm - real yahoo -ish kind of feel - (emily let a yeeha rip towards the
end), i love the feel of this song - such a happy driving song (or in this
case dancin'!!!)

that neil young song - sounded sooooo familiar - does anyone know
what it was - did someone say "crazy horse" - or is that the name of the
movie they saw....  oh well, but it was awesome - i love it when amy
does neil -(river, cortez, rockin')..... lasted for only about 2 minutes....
then amy was like ok that's enough, i'm ready to really rock!!!...  right
in the middle of everyone still playing....."quiet, quiet!" (real quick & short -
but still loud) ->
and then ttbt started, really cool, quick change (or sudden)...

ghost - beautiful as usual, i always sing the amy part hear - the harmony
on this song was just so beautiful..... hmmmmmm......... lighting & sound
from this small place was awesome.....

sys- amy was having fun with this song, kind of smiling while singing,
and moving her head back & forth, kind of like "i've sang this song
enough - so i'll have a little fun with it and dance around...."

lc- they were smiling sooooooo much - they looked awesome when
they were looking all around when it was our turn to sing....  8-)

dgtgag - amy went pretty nuts - but it was more like a mellow nutz (like
maybe cashews) - that ending was just so amy!!!  everything fell silent &
it was "real soft and sorrowful and pleading like" (thks - h the dancing
machine)...... hmmmmmmmm

leeds - was beautiful - and one other thing she said "thanks for
listening" - and that's b/c the audience was just amazing for this - real
quiet during everything - and there was a little ulai singing in the
distant background - but basically everyone was just enjoying her
amazing voice and that surprisingly good sounding little electric
keyboard...

caroline aiken came out for can't find my way home - and that was such
a cool, mellow little song - and it was awesome hearing caroline & emily
going back and forth - they have similar high, beautiful voices, and they
were really good together (wow, i stray from amy-ism!!!).... but
awesome song....

and they all left - and so quickly it happened - amy was by herself and
she started the song so quickly after the last - i was still like "ahhhhhh"
after the last song, and it just kicked in.....  what was so great - the
whole place was singing along..... sounded awesome --  amy+us=8-)
..... <sigh>

started w/ galileo & ended w/ ctf - good bookends if you ask me - and it
ended just the way it started - happy......!!!!!!....   i can never get sick of
ctf to end shows - it just sums up all the power & energy of the show
into one happy sing a-long....

end of show - the lucky fan who was up on stage was in between amy
& emily and they had both their arms around her waist!! <sigh>.... and
she got a big hug from emily right before that.......

but!!!! - emily walked off to the right first, and amy started that way too,
and then the ctf girl started to walk off to the left......  amy saw this,
caught her eye, and motioned w/ her pointer finger saying sort of
"where are you going?!  come on over here girl!".....  she stopped in her
tracks and walked towards amy - and a collective gasp!!! or sigh!!!!
came from the audience when amy did that cutest little gesture in the
world... it was like "you're hangin' with me babe!!!!!"...... i think everyone in
that place had just a little bit of jealousy for that person right there.....  i
mean who wouldn't want amy motioning for you to come backstage with
her.......??????......   i think i'll stop w/ that ----- <grin>

what a cute way to end the show..... not to mention the yellow pick w/
indigo girls on it and the set list from the soundboard person..... 8-)

wasn't over too late  (amy knew i had to drive 90 minutes)- just the
perfect show on a tuesday night - a little bit of everything.......
(hi jen!)
i just have to figure out where will my next road trip be to!!!!!!!

btw on the setlist the song before ctf- it's just "??" two question marks
- i wonder if they were going to do something else - or wanted to just
make it a surprise..... i'll take r&j anytime, that's for sure!!!!!


thanks for listening!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
8-)
mkc
"amy ray, pretty good for a girl!"
-e. saliers

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 10:37:15 -0500
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and yes amy was singing to me while getting caught booting ... "don't give
that girl a gun ...."

my thoughts exactly ......

maybe lynda's boot is the one to be traded ... mine has that nasty 2 minutes
missing from dgtgag ...

lynda .... want me to take over the dubbing responsibilities ????

chris

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subject:      re: flash stuff...

bad.
repent now !

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 07:52:52 -0800
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> legalities.  without a model release form you
> cannot sell your photos or use them in a display
> or contest, etc.  i actually have sold them to
> friends at cost, since i develop and print
> color/b&w photos in my school's photo lab, but
> that's only to cover the chemicals/paper cost.
>
> i know it sounds logical, but there were a few
> people at my school who got in trouble for not
> having model release forms signed for someone
> famous when they posted them on their web page
> and entered the photos into contests, which is
> why i mention it.

actually, it is not nearly as cut and dried as this.
editorial usage, ie magazine/newsppaer usage, does
not require model release forms.  i have been paid
by a couple of magazines in whihc photos have appeared.

the trouble comes in several ways...like someone
making a calender and mass marketing it, or the
composition of the photo and what the contest
you refer to is all about.  tabloids make their
bread and butter on photos for which we all
know they dont have releases.  i'm not by
any means supporting or jsutifying those photos,
i'm just making an example.  there are  certainly
copyright issues involved in photography,
but the situations are far more grey than
you may think.

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monk@world.std.com          \   /
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> that neil young song - sounded sooooo familiar - does anyone know
> what it was - did someone say "crazy horse" - or is that the name of the
> movie they saw....  oh well, but it was awesome - i love it when amy
> does neil -(river, cortez, rockin')..... lasted for only about 2 minutes....
> then amy was like ok that's enough, i'm ready to really rock!!!...  right
> in the middle of everyone still playing....."quiet, quiet!" (real quick & short -
> but still loud) ->
neil young song is powder finger...an awesome song, amy's done parts of
it since mid summer at shows, but the only boot i have with it is from
the mm cd release party singing with michelle!!!

~lyn

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only 17 more days till the dayton show!!!!!!!!!

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>>> lynda <lynda@csg-soft.com> 10/29/97 11:04am >>>
neil young song is powder finger...an awesome song, amy's done parts
of
it since mid summer at shows, but the only boot i have with it is from
the mm cd release party singing with michelle!!!

~lyn
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
hey y'all,

just a little info. from last night regarding powderfinger: (sorry for the
reprint of the song but... scroll down for my little commentary *********)

powderfinger - by neil young

look out momma there's a white boat coming up the river
with a big red red beacon and a flag and a man on the rail
you better call john cause it don't look like they're here to deliver
the mail
and it's less than a mile away
i hope they haven't come to stay
it's got numbers on the side and a gun and it's swinging this way

daddy's gone and my brother's out hunting in the mountains
big john's been drinking since the river took emmy lou
and the powers that be left me here to do the thinkin'
and i just turned 22
i was wonderin' what to do
the closer they got, the more those feelings grew

daddy's rifle in my hand felt reassuring
he told me red means run son, numbers don't add up to nothin'
and when the first shot hit the dock, i saw it comin'
raised my rifle to my eye
never stopped to wonder why
then i saw black and my face splashed in the sky

*******************
i think around this point is where she (amy) stopped and said "quiet,
quiet" and went in to tried to be true.....
she didn't say the "powder...finger" part (see below) so it was either
here it stopped, or right after the previous verse (the one with "turned
22")....   it was definitely a powerful song, and i think amy does neil
soooo well, and the lyrics (&song) are just classic.....
btw, is the name of the movie powderfinger - that would make sense
since emily laughed and said "that's b/c we just saw the neil movie" - or
something like that......8-)
********************

shelter me from the powder and the finger
cover me with the thought that pulled the trigger
think of me as the one you'd never figure
to fade away so young
so much left undone
remember me to my love
i know i'll miss her

8-)
mkc

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swear to gawd, i hear a rap version of big yellow taxi by joni mitchell on
the radio station that was playing in our cafeteria this morning....

"...you don't know wut you gut til it's gone, i say you don't know wut you
gut til it's gone i mean you don't know wut you gut til its gone......"

ow.  it hurt just listening to it.....

ok, i'm going to just have to pop in my newly acquired fact and fiction by
kristen hall to feel better
(thankyouverymuchannacreechakachickensoprano!....).

back to our regularly scheduled programming....

(rrrrrrrrrrrubber beeeeeskit!)

joni  :o)

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i can't seem to find a reliable tour date sight.  sony is useless (we all know
that) and i just want to know where they will be and when.  can someone help me
out.....sorry for the plea - they need to revisit nc.

thanks - b

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hi honey,

i hope your day at internship, last day of work, and yarmouth meeting with
kim was ok, and not too trying/depressing.  i just wanted to let you know
that i will be out late tonight, and will call you when i get in.  i am
going to burlington to do a mailing, and will probably be back late.

i spoke with barbara at paradise ranch. the place you will be staying in is
your very own cabin...it has a wood stove, and a loft bedroom. i hope we
can go there together soon.  she was concerned that you will be there late,
and will live the "twinkling lights on for you, although the paradise ranch
sign will be out.
i mailed you the directions.  please check your pobox daily before you go.
please have a massage.  and enjoy yourself to the fullest.
it will be 255$ for the weekend.  please don't think about the money.
you need this!!!!!!
pamper yourself, and let me help you do that.
i will give you 300$ to cover the room and a massage, when you return.

what do you think about me coming home on the weekend of the 7th of nov?
i am a little nervous about it...can you help me?
even if you have to work, i would like to be there when you come home....
if that would be ok with you....just think about it.

i love you.........thank you for asking me to not leave you this morning.
deb

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for your soul to meet the tide."  ~
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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 12:31:57 -0500
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ok that is the most embarrassing moment i have had.
please forget you ever saw that message.
hit the wrong button.......
ohmygod, if i could just die right now, i would.

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for your soul to meet the tide."  ~
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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 11:54:46 -0500
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debra bullard wrote:
>
> hi honey,
>..........................
so how embarrassed is she gonna be when she realizes she sent this to
the wrong addy? hehehehehee

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 12:32:00 -0500
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i'm so confused....

debra bullard wrote:

> hi honey,
>
> i hope your day at internship, last day of work, and yarmouth meeting with
> kim was ok, and not too trying/depressing.  i just wanted to let you know
> that i will be out late tonight, and will call you when i get in.  i am
> going to burlington to do a mailing, and will probably be back late.
>
> i spoke with barbara at paradise ranch. the place you will be staying in is
> your very own cabin...it has a wood stove, and a loft bedroom. i hope we
> can go there together soon.  she was concerned that you will be there late,
> and will live the "twinkling lights on for you, although the paradise ranch
> sign will be out.
> i mailed you the directions.  please check your pobox daily before you go.
> please have a massage.  and enjoy yourself to the fullest.
> it will be 255$ for the weekend.  please don't think about the money.
> you need this!!!!!!
> pamper yourself, and let me help you do that.
> i will give you 300$ to cover the room and a massage, when you return.
>
> what do you think about me coming home on the weekend of the 7th of nov?
> i am a little nervous about it...can you help me?
> even if you have to work, i would like to be there when you come home....
> if that would be ok with you....just think about it.
>
> i love you.........thank you for asking me to not leave you this morning.
> deb
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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> for your soul to meet the tide."  ~
>                                   ~
> ann reed                          ~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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hi all...i've seen several requests lately for urls of websites that have
ig tour dates so i thought i'd put in another plug for the site i have up.

seeing as the epic and sony sites ah, suck, when it comes to having
complete info (some dates that actually happened never appeared on their
lists) i created the shaming of the sun tour archives. it has as much tour
info as i can dig up and also keeps track of setlists (at least as fast as
i can get them up -- i'm sort of behind but promise to catch up) and will
soon (i promise) list tape trading info. the site is at:

http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html

if you just want dates, you can go directly to:

http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/dates.html

there's a new date listed i just listed (thanks sharon :) so go check it out.

deb

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 12:40:35 -0500
reply-to:     elizabeth skipper <skippeec@muohio.edu>
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>swear to gawd, i hear a rap version of big yellow taxi by joni mitchell on
>the radio station that was playing in our cafeteria this morning....
>
>"...you don't know wut you gut til it's gone, i say you don't know wut you
>gut til it's gone i mean you don't know wut you gut til its gone......"
>
>ow.  it hurt just listening to it.....

that would probably be janet jackson's new song, which also includes the
line "joni mitchell never lies."  of course she never lies because she wrote
all her own songs, and they were songs that had personal significance to
her, and that's why they're so great.  i know that all the songs have not
been written - new ones are being written every day!  so why can't certain
artists write their own damn songs and leave songs by joni mitchell, sting,
etc., alone?!  because they can't write their own damn songs, which is why i
love my girls (and they are mine, because, as jill told me, i have front row
center tickets in dayton, which means they will be all mine for the night)!
ranting is now over...continue with you day.

elizabeth

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~~~
"but you taught me how to value life
and what else do i need
i have a dad who watches over me"
-k's choice, "dad"

"how i long to fall just a little bit, to dance out of the
lines and stray from the light"
-dar williams, "iowa"

"the piglet was sitting on the ground at the door of his house
blowing happily at a dandelion, and wondering whether it would
be this year, next year, sometime or never.  he had just
discovered that it would be never, and was trying to remember
what 'it' was, and hoping it wasn't anything nice, when pooh
came up."
-a.a. milne, "winnie-the-pooh"

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 12:56:11 -0500
reply-to:     sb <sharonb@geocities.com>
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    am i the only one who has not seen the soy video?  do they play it
on mtv?  if so, when are they most likely to play it?  i keep watching,
but never see any videos that are even that kind of music.  do they play
it on vh1?  i don't get vh1, but some of my friends do and i could ask
them to try to tape it if it happens to come on.
one more question:  is there video of gotm?

if you can help me, please email me.
thanks,
sharon

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 12:12:07 -0600
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the girl with the pictures. could ya add me to the list? i get the digest
version and it has cut off your email addy so i cant write you. i also have
a suggestion as to how to handle everyone's requests if your interested.

linda

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 11:26:30 -0700
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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ok, ok, ok,

you got me, i accept. me and sharon star, who's gonna be sara and jerry?

amy m.
on wed, 29 oct 1997, sb wrote:

> > ok, deja vu time...who should play emily and who should play amy in
> > the movie?
>
> i claim the part of amy!!  although i'd have to dye my hair
> brown........now who's gonna be emily?
>
> sharon
>
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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 13:59:30 -0500
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hi - sorry to offend any amtrak fans, but i have to vent.  my train was
supposed to get to new haven @ 7:30 so i would only miss a little of
caroline.  instead, i didn't end up getting in until 9:30 and i only
caught from chickenman on.  my show #10 ended up only being a third of a
show.  but at least amy waited for me to get there to play r+j :)
anyway, thanks for posting all of the reviews and if anyone has a good
tape of the whole show, let me know.  thanks for reading!  later.
-sarah

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 14:08:39 -0500
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ok ok...... i'll be jerry.....!!!!!!!!    well, for one, i'd love to be an "honary
lesbian" - as amy put it last night -   and secondly, i'll gain some weight,
grow a goti (sp?), wear shoes with some heels for height, and wear
tank-tops even in the winter.....  i think i even have the beginning to
galileo down pat -  let me know if i should play this for the
jerry-try-outs......
8-)

>>> "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu> 10/29/97 01:26pm >>>
ok, ok, ok,

you got me, i accept. me and sharon star, who's gonna be sara and
jerry?

amy m.
on wed, 29 oct 1997, sb wrote:

> > ok, deja vu time...who should play emily and who should play amy in
> > the movie?
>
> i claim the part of amy!!  although i'd have to dye my hair
> brown........now who's gonna be emily?
>
> sharon
>

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 14:30:20 -0500
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i waited at the end after the guy told us to leave and amy waved good bye
to us in her sweat outfit as the bus pulled away. it was awesome. the show
was incredible.the best show i had been to so far. i couldn't believe they
played you and me of the 10,000 wars. i never thought i would hear that in
concert. i was so excited. i wish i had known people from the list who
were there. it would have been great to meet some of you. i was close to
the front on emily's side. for part of the time i was in the front. also,
if the lady i sat next to at wolftrap and i saw you at the umbc concert
would pleast contact me, it would be great. my e-mail is
ragold@wam.umd.edu
lastly, if there are any listees that go to the university of maryland at
college park, please let me know. i am a junior there. thanks. bye!!!

rachel goldstein

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 11:38:00 -0800
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has anyone experienced problems in getting merchandise from daemon?

i ordered stuff (including the jcs video) at the end of august.
everytime i contact daemon, i'm told something different (it's been
shipped; we haven't shipped yet b/c some stuff is on back order; we've
shipped what's in stock and will ship the backordered stuff when it gets
in; etc.)

i realize they're a small organization, but come on.  i'm just
wondering, has anyone else had these kinds of problems?  if so, did you
eventually receive the stuff you ordered?

thanks.

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 16:10:59 -0800
reply-to:     amy mednick <amy1@alpeng.com>
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i'm pretty sure deb would have been plenty embarassed without someone on
the list pointing it out to the whole list just how embarassed she was
going to be...

i took a slightly different tack. i sent deb a private e-mail telling
her i knew how goofy she must have felt, but not to worry - the note was
so sweet and lovely that i was sure most women on the ig list - most
women everywhere, in fact - would have loved to receive it.

i didn't think there was anything funny (hehehehe) about it...

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 13:56:07 -0600
reply-to:     deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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it is with great pride and pleasure that i make the following concert
announcement:

mon dec 08 / milwaukee, wi / riverside theatre

on sale this monday (nov 3rd) at 10am.

i'm a happy camper :)

deb

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 12:56:40 +0000
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i think i'll take some work off deb reiser's hands here and
build the official ig boot list page.  from what i've seen,
i think i like my scheme the best (but am open to suggestions)
http://members.tripod.com/~indigoempire
and if anyone would like help putting their list into
that format, i'd be happy to assist.  in the mean time, please
send me links to your boot pages and i'll get them compiled
and set up.  if you have a list that you would like
included, but don't have it on the web or in html format, email
me and we can work something out.  the info that should be
included is:  date, location, tape length, quality, and set list
for each boot.  i know a lot of you don't have set lists, and it's
a pain to go through and type in each list, but it does help people
browsing for a particular song.  also, since many of us have the
same stuff, we could all point to the same set lists.

email links, questions, comments to enitz@evolving.com

elizabeth

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 15:00:59 -0500
reply-to:     amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
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subject:      ok, it works! nigc
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hi everyone!  thanks to those who emailed my aol address... it apparently
is running fairly smoothly, despite the fact that i received some messages
way before others that were sent out around the same time.  but that's aol
for ya.  i'll be away from my mom's computer for a couple of days, so i
won't be able to check my aol mail anyway, so anyone who wants to email me
send it to the address above. (stu6361blahblahblah you know the drill :)
thanks!
amy  :)

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 15:00:45 pst
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first and foremost, is anyone up for a list meet at the st. louis fox show?  i'd love to meet as many list people as i can.  please email or post to the list with any and all ideas.

next, does anyone know where i can get a copy of the video, "inn trouble?"  i've been looking all over and can't find it anywhere to rent or buy.  please email privately if you can help.

thanx,

toye

*still jumping up and down with excitement about the show*

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 15:32:22 -0500
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on wed, 29 oct 1997, michael cunningham wrote:

> ok ok...... i'll be jerry.....!!!!!!!!    well, for one, i'd love to be an "honary
> lesbian" - as amy put it last night -   and secondly, i'll gain some weight,
> grow a goti (sp?), wear shoes with some heels for height, and wear
> tank-tops even in the winter.....  i think i even have the beginning to
> galileo down pat -  let me know if i should play this for the
> jerry-try-outs......
> 8-)

whoa there boy, you've got some stiff competition ahead of you, because i
plan to take the role of the amazing jerry.

(why plan an honorary lesbian if you can get a real one)

-tee hee

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 15:30:45 -0800
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a fellow smart ass list member is have some med "stuff"tommorrow,,( no
names needed ok? so don't bother)
and we want her back and wisecrackin soon..so send all those good
thoughts (she'll here 'em)into cyberness...
just think happy thoughts,,no bitchin or flaming tommorrow ok?
please and thank you

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 16:00:14 est
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      similar to whooo? nigc

--- you wrote:
actually, i suspect that sus is really the spawn of suzi creamcheese
(any frank zappa fans out there?) and a yet-to-be-determined rock star
from the late 60's era.  the similarities between sus and suzi are
strange, to say the least.... ;)
--- end of quote ---

ummm, like, id never have any like similarity to any frank whatever zappa dude,
like fer sure

ha!

my parents are not rock stars. they are, however, very sexy  ;)

sus

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>>> alanna christine <alannang@bu.edu> 10/29/97 03:32pm >>>

on wed, 29 oct 1997, michael cunningham wrote:
> ok ok...... i'll be jerry.....!!!!!!!!    well, for one, i'd love to be an "honary
> lesbian" - as amy put it last night -
>  <snip>
> jerry-try-outs......
> 8-)

whoa there boy, you've got some stiff competition ahead of you,
because i
plan to take the role of the amazing jerry.

(why plan an honorary lesbian if you can get a real one)

-tee hee
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
ok, fine - be that way - hit me below the belt........

i guess you're right about that one.......but, it is a movie - right?!!!
and since i am an actor of the highest caliber - i think i can work it,
work it, work it......
just ask amy - i have her fooled.......
btw, i'd be just perfect for a twisted love-triangle w/ me (jerry) and
amy & emily.....
hey, it's only a movie, right?!!?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!

alright, we need a third partymember to pick who gets to be jerry?  and
what about sara?  and maybe even sully?

heheheeee
8-)

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 16:37:11 -0500
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just about everything's been covered about this show that i could ever say.
no on mentioned fashion report, so i'll say a little, although i didn't
notice too well. amy was in a striped button down (only one button undone,
so new tattoo wasn't visible at all most of the time) and what looked like
real comfy brown pants. not sure about the shoes. emily had blue jeans and
a blue plaid. jerry was in a turquoisish button down, black jeans,
barefoot. and sara lee's been covered.

the crowd was, i thought a lot better than the last time they played at the
palace (although this time i was lucky enough to sit near six of the most
obnoxious people ever born-- but i'm over it). i recognized a lot of yalies
(yeah women's rugby!). definitely a really diverse crowd.

emily's voice was really good. (wish they'd have done tangled up in blue)
someone commented to me the show seemed to be a lot about amy being angry.
which means, of course, she was rocking. r&j was incredible live. the
_entire_ crowd was singing along. when emily left the stage everyone went
nuts. good stuff.

that's all i really have to say that hasn't been covered. it was an amazing
show, perhaps the best i've been to yet (debatable though) whoever's in
charge of the boot, anything you need, i'm there for you. oh, and of course
they came to yale for a master's tea and no one told me. i'll post the
article , but if you want to see the picture that came with it go to
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jym2/ydnart.htm

laters
jasmine

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
come visit me at
http://pantheon.yale.edu/~jym2

just ask me about it

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 16:42:04 -0500
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wednesday, october 29, 1997

indigo girls visit silliman; students flock


                 by shane dizon
               contributing reporter

silliman college has done it again, and "shame on you" if you
missed this one.

a crowd of enthusiastic yale students waited up to two hours
outside silliman master kelly brownell's office to secure a
spot to see the indigo girls, the internationally famous duo of
amy ray and emily saliers.

and about 80 students packed into brownell's living room to hear them speak
about their musical experiences

"it was an honor," mailinh hong '01 said. "their music had such an impact
on me in high school ... a lot of people have a
personal connection with them."

"hello. where's the tea?" was saliers' first response to the rousing
applause from the audience upon their entrance.

after brownell introduced them as "talented musicians, writers, and social
activists," the indigo girls told the story of their
formation 16 years ago.

born in new haven, saliers was no stranger to the elm city. her father had
actually taught at yale. she and ray went to
the same elementary and high schools, although ray is a year younger.

both performers came from musical families, played guitar, and wrote songs.
but the friendship did not blossom into the
world-famous female duo until they met in high school chorus.

in the beginning, the duo played for parent-teacher association meetings,
bars and open mic nights. after playing the
small-venue scene as independents, epic records signed them in 1988, and
their career has been on the rise ever since.

the name -- indigo girls -- grew out of a need for a selling point,
although the selection of the title was completely random,
ray said.

"we were starting to get some opening spots and bigger bands," she said.
"[i] thought, 'let's think of a name that isn't corny'
... so i went through the dictionary, saw that word, and it sounded really
cool."

both ray and saliers spoke about various sources of inspiration in their
music, which fans often praise for its personal and
realistic candor.

"it's just live ... friends, movies, and books," ray said. "i write from my
experiences, but my goal is to write about other
people's experiences and perspectives as well."

saliers cited religious influence as being particularly special to her.

"spiritual life is very important to me ... sometimes it can be
mythological and metaphorical, and it's a good poetic source
too," she said.

despite their fame, both singers said they enjoy the musical careers that
have dominated their whole lives.

"i think it's the ultimate privilege to be able to play music for a
living," saliers said.

the singers also discussed the evolution of their music over the years.

"i didn't know if i could relate after all, and relaxing about something i
considered an issue of intensity," ray said, describing
her initial reaction to "closer to fine," one of the indigo girls' most
famous songs, written by saliers. "but you get older and
wiser. after time you put together your own images with each others' songs."

the indigo girls addressed their activist image, particularly with regard
to gay rights.

"i didn't want to talk about it in the press at first, mainly because of
fear. i didn't want to be identified as a lesbian band first
and a band second," saliers said. "now, i just don't care, but i think
people should be out, and if we can help make people
understand, we take that role with gratitude."

one audience member asked the duo to play a song, and at first they
hesitated. but saliers and ray later agreed, and sang
"mystery" for the audience.

"y'all were very sweet -- that was fun," said saliers, after their
performance.

students said they appreciated the band's appearance and enjoyed the casual
talk with the stars.

"they were good people ... salt of the earth, and seemed very modest,
despite all of the fame," mike ha '00 said.

the tea marks the third time in the past year silliman has hosted
well-known musicians. earlier this year, silliman welcomed
shawn colvin, and last year, counting crows lead singer adam durvitz was a
master's tea guest.


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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 17:03:02 -0400
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subject:      re: dayton hotel info?(notreally igc)
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i haven't heard anything about a gathering yet... but i do know that some
of us are driving a very long ways to go to this show (iowa, chicago,
etc,) and are probably needing someplace to stay.  i'm hoping someone else
can do the major planning, and i'd love to help (but not do it all
myself...we've all seen how stressed i get when i attempt to be
wonderlistee!)  my backup plan was to: a) get michelle to speak to me
again, and then b) stay at her house (oh joy, oh rapture)(can you detect
the sarcasm here?  oy.).  but that's not looking like it's gonna happen
(ooh...fun...i get to sit next to her for a whole concert.  my closest
distance from the girls ever ever and it's gonna have a damper on it).  so
i'll probably be needing somewhere to crash too.  and i'd rather hang out
with you guys anyways.
definitely go with the holiday inns.  how many people d'ya think we could
cram into one of them rooms that sleeps 4?  :)  where are they located (as
in what city/ suburb), those ones you found?  i know there's hotels in
fairborn, which is a  10- or 15-min highway drive from ud, because there's
an airport (hey!  anybody wanna fly in instead? --springfield airport or
something) nearby, and an air force base.  i think that's east of the
campus.  let us know...
jill
p.s. you're very welcome don.

on wed, 29 oct 1997, don richards wrote:
> listers going to dayton,
> .... where are y'all staying? there's a holiday inn dayton north about
> 4.2 miles from the u of d arena and a holiday inn dayton south about 3.3
> miles away. anyone made plans yet?

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subject:      re: flash stuff...
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on wed, 29 oct 1997, marivel danielson wrote:

> okay, i thought that i was going to be creating an a stir with my post about
> pictures and i wasn't wrong.  for those who asked me about my camera, it was one
> of those dinky ones with no detachable zoom.
i've got one of those...  screwy little thing!  arg.
hey, here's an idea you could try-- it worked for me at the ani show (i
was taking pics from the 7th row and didn't want to blind her)--i covered
the flash on my camera with black electrical tape.  i tested it out before
i loaded it with film, just snapping away while looking in the mirror to
see if any flash seeped out at the tape edges.  i just kept covering it up
until there was really nothing more than a little watery cloud of
very dim light
escaping every time i took a picture.  not even noticeable.  it worked
quite well, i might add.
of course, after the show, i had quite a horribly sticky mess on the front
of my camera.  but we've got this neat stuff ("goop-off" maybe?) that
removes sticky adhesives, gums, etc.  that removed the gunk nicely and now
my camera is back to its original retinal-singeing-flashing splendor.
built-in flashes are one of the many banes of my existence.
jill
p.s. i still love you marivel, cause i've taken flash photos at concerts
too...  shh...don't tell, or i'll get flamed too.

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here's an ellen update from the shoptalk list:

>>abc, which has spent the last week promoting "the kiss!" that will
occur on tonight's episode of "ellen," said that it will run a "due to
adult content" parental advisory at the beginning of the show.  yes,
that's the same advisory that ran two weeks ago, upsetting series star
ellen degeneres and many gay rights organizations who claimed abc was
singling out the "ellen" because its main character was gay.  so far,
there has been no official comment from degeneres about the second
advisory.  (ny daily news)<<

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just thinking of poor deb who accidentally sent a love letter to the list.
well, i'm purposely fowarding this one to y'all.
smile, love is in the list.
---------- forwarded message ----------
> "it is not because things are difficult that we do not dare,
> it is because we do not dare that things are difficult."
> -- seneca

you are making stuff very difficult.  dare a little.

>   a feeling of anger and bitterness because nothing makes sense.  a loss
> of hope.

i know the feeling well.  see, we're not as different as you'd like to
believe.  stop believing what you'd *like* to believe.  open your eyes and
see what is actually transpiring:  you have someone who is fully willing
to drop, right into your lap, their undying affection and commitment.
they think you're wonderful, they're fascinated by you.  they think you're
magical.  they're pulling for you to realize what they see so obviously.
and, heck, they're even cute.  and they have damn good taste in music.
they'd be your shakespeare, your amy ray, your jack kerouac, your fabio,
your postino, your alpha and your omega, your
beginning and your end.  they'd be your band-aid and your ice pack, your
ace bandage and your crutches.  your bed, your rug, your shelf, your
closet.  they'll let you hide yourself in them, they will give the secrets
you request.  they'll be your shield, your knight in shining armor, your
bodyguard, your nurse, your donor, your sacrificial lamb, your everything.
they'd do anything for you, anything except allow you to give up on them.
they are willing to fight, like ms. difranco says, for what they believe
in.  and they believe in you.  they'd risk getting kicked out of a concert
to bring you closer to the excitement.  they'd give up their first-row
ticket, they'd give up their everything, to have you.  they'd drive hours
on end just to see your untouchable face, and then drive hours back
sobbing because they're leaving it.  they'd go to the ends of the earth to
win your favor, they'd tear out their own heart if you were in need of a
softer one.  they'd flood you with poems to try to crack the lock on your
emotions, they're miserable without you.  they're so very sorry for the
words which flew out of their shocked lips.  they've already forgiven you,
before you've even asked, for anything you said and didn't mean.  they're
crying all the time, and missing classes, and forgetting papers, and
playing "blood and fire" over and over again.  and they want to stop.
they don't care what the rest of the world, or their family, or anyone
thinks of them, as long as you're on their side.  they want you, they need
you, they really really like you.  they're silly, certain they could
concoct some way to get you to like them too.  they can't get your voice
out of their head, and your face haunts them every time they shut their
eyes. they keep having dreams that frighten them, like a broken
guillotine, lingering just above their head.  they're breaking fast,
they're nearing the end of their rope, they need you to hold the part of
them that only you can carry.
and they will not let you do this to them, they will not let you do this
to yourself.  they believe you could gain so much from them that to allow
you to walk away would be a crime.  they will not give up.  they adore
you.

they adore you.
they adore you.
they adore you.
they will not let you do this.
they're imploring you not to do this.
please please please do not, do not do this.

right here waiting,
----


i know i may be wishing
on a world
that may never be
but i'll keep on wishing

no matter how hopeless
or foolish
it may seem
i'll keep on wishing

i'll toss my coins in the fountain
look for clovers in grassy lawns
search for shooting stars in the night
cross my fingers and dream on

i know i may be dreaming
of a world
far from present day reality
but i'll keep dreaming

no matter how unrealistic
or naive
it may seem
always keep dreaming

and toss your coins in the fountain
look for clovers in grassy lawns
search for shooting stars in the night
cross your fingers and dream on

we must always be thinking
of the world
as a place of infinite possibilities
and always keep thinking

no matter how hopeless
or foolish
it may seem
always keep thinking

and toss our coins in the fountain
look for clovers in grassy lawns
search for shooting stars in the night
cross our fingers and dream on

-tracy chapman

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 16:25:29 -0600
reply-to:     deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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just heard word of another new date. tix go on sale this saturday:

nov 29th / orange county convention center theatre / orlando, fl

and just because i know a lot of new dates were just announced, here's as
complete of a list that i have at this time:

fri31oct / binghamtom, ny / suny - binghamton / west gym

sat01nov / utica, ny / stanley performing arts center

sun02nov / geneseo, ny / suny - geneseo

mon03nov / geneva, ny / hobart college / opera house

tue04nov / charleston, wv / cultural center

fri14nov / ann arbor, mi / hill auditorium

sat15nov / dayton, oh / u of dayton

sun16nov / chicago, il / rosemont theatre / sold out

mon17nov / chicago, il / rosemont theatre / now

wed19nov / minneapolis, mn / northrop auditorium / sold out

thu20nov / madison, wi / civic center / oscar mayer theatre / sold out

sat22nov / st. louis, mo / fox theater

sun23nov / warrensburg, mo / central missouri state

tue25nov / atlanta, ga / fox theatre / sold out

wed26nov /  atlanta, ga / fox theatre

sat29nove / orlando, fl / orange county convention center theatre

tue02dec / louisville, ky / palace theatre / on sale tba

thu04dec / ames, ia / stephens auditorium / on sale sat01nov

sat06dec / omaha, ne / omaha music hall / on sale sat01nov

mon08dec / milwaukee, wi / riverside theatre / on sale mon03nov

tue16dec / miami, fl / lilith fair - venue tba / on sale tba

deb

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debra bullard wrote:

> please forget you ever saw that message.

debra previously wrote:

> "twinkling lights" (sorry deb, i added the caps to emphasize!)

hey deb!  don't apologize... the part that caught my eye was when you
mentioned my name (er, well, kind of you did)...

<seriously, i was thinking, "oh no, that poor girl, accidentally sent
this message to us.  and i don't think it was meant for our eyes!">

if only we all could say we've never done anything as embarassing!

later,
twink!

don't worry... we forgive you! :)

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 18:12:10 -0500
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i've seen a few postings asking where a copy of the ig's video
"watershed" could be bought. ladyslipper has it advertised in their
catalog: emv49195vc (catalog number) $19.98 - their phone number is
(800)634-6044. you can also order it on-line (www.ladyslipper.org) or
send email to orders@ladyslipper.org.

n. (who wasn't aware you could no longer buy it at blockbuster music or
best buy anymore)

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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subject:      janet rocks!
x-to:         skippeec@muohio.edu
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it is so easy to dismiss rap music (or r&b) because it is sampled)
but the new j. jackson cd is unreal - i mean really really good, and joni
mitchell's sample is killer, and what janet did is pretty innovative - open
your minds once in a while people....


face it - if ani put that song out you'd be saying it was the best thing mtv
ever did...


mike r.

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i know how you feel - same thing happened in my dorm cafeteria.
isn't horrible what people do to good songs.
eve

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hi all!

i'm writing to shamelessly plug a local artist that i absolutely adore.
some of you are familiar with her music.  she's the artist i put on the
flip side of the albany 97 tape. she's got a web page up now that a buddy
of mine is putting together and i just wanted to encourage you all to go
take a peek and sign the guestbook if you feel so inclined. there's not a
whole lot there now, but there will be pix and stuff by the end of the
weekend.

go check it out! here's the addy:

http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/palladium/4942/kimpage.html

thanks for indulging me!

dianne

i don't set people straight.  they're just born that way.

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 11:43:09 +1100
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can you believe it.....both ani and ig in australia at the
same time.....life is good.

ani's only announced date so far is at the port fairy folk
festival:
http://www.ozemail.com.au/~pfff/

hopefully she will do other dates as her booking agent says
she will be here february/march:
http://www.flemtam.com/avails.html #ad

ani's other dates can be found here:
http://www.flemtam.com/ad-itin.html

and as yet no official date for australia by the ig but
sometime in february is the word.

can anyone imagine a little guest appearance thing
happening???  oh how i wish....

penelope

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hi all...just trying to figure out whats going on with a gathering at the dayton show. i know many of us are going and some of us are planning on staying over on the 15th. so i have some questions:


1. which of you are staying over?


2. where are you staying?


3. room prices?


4. do you want to meet?


5. before?


or


6. after?


7. how does a list after show party sound to you all?

please email me privately with the answers and i will compile and post the results to the list so that we can try to get something together for the 15th! i am so psyched.


heathera


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hey everyone,

nicola nelson said:
> >fear of goats.
> clarification: not fear of stinking old goats, but fear of young,
> nubile goats.

nic is so right.  please forgive me!

"kid fears" is not about fear of any old goat, but is rather
about the much more specific and widely documented condition
known as juveno-bovidophobia (fear of young, hollow-horned
ruminants).

do *you* know someone suffering from this condition?  if so,
run for your life. :)

on to more serious matters - penelope beat me to announcing
this, but the lineup for the 1998 port fairy folk festival
(in port fairy, vic, australia in the first weekend in march)
has been revealed.  so far on the bill are dar williams, ani
difranco, katy moffatt, kristina olsen and many more local and
international artists.

is anyone interested in tripping down there?  i will be driving
down from sydney (penelope, you're coming right?), probably
staying overnight in melbourne and then heading out to port
fairy from there.  if anyone's interested in this road trip, let
me know and we'll work out some details.

also, if anyone's interested in roadtripping for the ig tour
dates (none of which have been announced yet), again, let me
know and we'll start organising things.

it pays to be prepared! :)
sherlyn
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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 20:27:21 +0000
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hey guys,

i just got majorly screwed over and i can't go see u2 this friday in
detriot.  if there are any listees out there who want some great seats to
the show at the silverdome, let me know.  i know there are people from
michigan out there...believe me youy won't be disappointed!!  i'm asking
face value, but that's even negotiable.  i have 3 tickets!  e-mail me if
you're interested!

thanks
rob
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date:         tue, 28 oct 1997 16:56:06 -0400
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subject:      re: stupid misinterpretations
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on wed, 29 oct 1997, helen albans wrote:
> i feel stupid for asking but can anyone elaborate on what the term kid
> fears actually means....i've never quite understood.

i was taught in my developmental psych class that a child's two greatest
fears are abandonment and being controlled-- polar opposites.  some
theorists believe man carries these 'kid fears' with him his whole life.
this is how i interpret the song.
jill

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 21:36:20 -0400
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hello all- i'm sorry for the waste of space but i have a most vital
question.  do any of you atlanta-folk have any advice for a person
who will be 4 months short of 21 upon visiting?  i've called a few of
the must-see places and they were pretty much a big waste of my much
conserved long-distance time.  no one can help me- which is why i
bring my question to a higher power- the list!  i'd really appreciate
any touristy info- and suggestions for my underage dilemma.  thanks
lots,
anne
oh yeah- the trip will be after christmas to just after new year's if
that helps....  thank you guys so much!

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 19:01:57 pst
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(sorry if this has been posted!!)

does anyone have a boot of the new haven show? if so i would *really*
like to work out a trade. thanks!!!!!!

short and sweet-  (the post --  not me :)
becca

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>tue16dec / miami, fl / lilith fair - venue tba / on sale tba
>

  aaaagh!  my heart is breaking!  what happened to coral sky in west palm?  someone
pinch me, tell me everything will be okay, and the next show will be december 20
coral sky lilith fair.
   i won't be home in time....(sob)
    emily

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 22:57:26 -0600
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subject:      ig rubber stamp ordering info (same as web page)
x-to:         drusian@juno.com, heather@coaps.fsu.edu

i thought i'd just post the ig rubber stamp ordering info to the
list, for people who haven't seen or can't see the web page.
please note:

**this project is not endorsed by the list.  however,
it is meant for listees, although anyone can order**

melanie's web page,
at http://members.aol.com/melaniekrs/igstamp.html,
says:

indigo girls stamp
------------------------------------------------------------------------

these are rubber stamps to decorate papers, envelopes, hands, or faces
with to show that you are an ig fan! we are making these three stamps
available to the ig list members for $5 each (includes shipping).
to order, please follow these directions. the stamp images will be
sharper in rubber; my cheap scanner doesn't do them justice. they are
shown at actual size.

send a check or money order payable to toad hall.
toad hall
po box 2559
fontana, ca 92334

or phone in credit card information to (909) 514-0667.
visa, amex, discover, mastercard accepted.

if you have any questions, email me at melaniekrs@aol.com.
i can provide references if needed. enjoy!

*note: when you order, please indicate which design you want.
if you do not indicate a design, one will be chosen for you.
you can order as many as you like.


___________________________________________

since the images of the stamps are not included here,
i can only describe them.  if you want to see them, you'll have
to go to melanie's web page (url is mentioned above).

1.  "indigo
       girls"                (with the word "girls" replaced by two
female symbols.)
2.  "peace, love
       and ig"             (all in symbols)
3.  "closer to fine
      by being on-line"

all are designed well.  melanie has lots of experience doing this and
it shows in how these stamps look.  pretty darn nice.

when ordering, tell her what stamp you want in words, not by number.

also note that you'll have to purchase your own ink pad.  i saw some
cool rainbow ink pads in the store.  i think i'm gonna snag me one
of them.

lisa

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 19:18:02 -0600
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      ig stamps

hey y'all,

sherlyn alerted me to the fact that melanie
inadvertantly left a line on the ig rubber
stamps web page <http://members.aol.com/
melaniekrs/igstamp.html> that said that
the list is endorsing these stamps.  this
was a boo-boo.  the list is not endorsing
these stamps.  it's not a bad thing...just
a fact.  anyway, keep that in mind when
ordering.  thanks.

lisa

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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 19:30:01 -0600
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
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from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      dayton list meet?

mr. richards and i are on the same wavelength.  when are
we never???  i think the dayton show listees should
get together for a hotel party at a holiday inn.  that would
be the best place.  easiest.  comfy.  come and go as
you please.  we have to get rooms anyway, so it seems
convenient too.  i'd be interested in the dayton north, i
think, due to my driving direction on sunday (chicago
bound!!!)  if  don and i (and our
parties) get rooms at a holiday inn, how many people
would be interested in partaking of a get-together in a hotel
room?  pizza, drinks, snacks, etc?  it would be easier to
talk to each other too, rather than in a crowded restaurant
or outside the venue.  also, we could make the get-together
either pre- or post-show.  and those of you who need to
stay in a hotel anyway could choose to stay there too.

lisa


>date:    wed, 29 oct 1997 08:31:37 -0500
>from:    don richards <donrich@neo.lrun.com>
>subject: dayton hotel info?

>listers going to dayton,

>.... where are y'all staying? there's a holiday inn dayton north about
>4.2 miles from the u of d arena and a holiday inn dayton south about 3.3
>miles away. anyone made plans yet?

>       **** thanks jill :) ***

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 00:39:41 -0500
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subject:      bing/utica/geneseo/geneva...

well, these shows seem to be almost upon us and since i'm gonna be on my way
soon, i thought i'd send out one last pre-four-concert-in-four-days post.  i may
never be the same again.

first of all, i need to tell y'all that the utica ticket is spoken for.
secondly, i never got around to organizing list meets at any of these shows like
i had planned, but what i'll do is let you know that at some point in binghamton
i'm going to make a pretty little list sign and prop it up next to my tired body
for all to see (the sign, not my body).  i also have waist-length very dark
hair, so look for that combination and at least come say hi.  we may not get out
to dinner or a bar, but there's certainly nothing stopping us from throwing an
impromptu "waiting in line" party, right?  besides, being silly makes the time
go faster, and i will be sleepy, so i'd appreciate any sort of positive energy
anyone has to offer.

and i'll be at all four shows, friday through monday, so if you don't spot me
the first time, keep looking for signs...and a sleepy fan.  take care, and may
all of you have fabulous weekends...

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on wed, 29 oct 1997, lisa m. schreihart wrote:
> i think the dayton show listees should
> get together for a hotel party at a holiday inn.  that would
> be the best place.  easiest.  comfy.  come and go as
> you please.  we have to get rooms anyway, so it seems
> convenient too.  i'd be interested in the dayton north, i
> think, due to my driving direction on sunday

i second the motion--or is that notion?  whatever it is, i second it.
north is good, cause i'm headed there too.  as are becca, twink, barb...
i can get a dayton yellow pages at the library when i go home (home home,
not school home) tomorrow and see where there are the holiday inns.
heather sent us a questionnaire-- i think she's trying to set something
up.  (bless her lil' heart!) :)

i'll let you know later/ you let me know/ have your people contact mine/
drop me a line/ don't be a stranger/ etc. etc. etc.
jill

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 01:35:06 -0500
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on wed, 29 oct 1997, michael cunningham wrote:

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> and what about sara?  and maybe even sully?


i'll only be sara if i can be called the "mistress of the low end," can
wear bad ass pink and purple plaid pants, and get to film a video with the
b52's in a bathtub.


he hhehehhehehehhe

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 00:44:33 -0600
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    "replace the rent with the stars above.
     replace the need with love.
     replace the anger with the tide.
     replace the ones that you love."
that is what this special song means to me.  i used to listen to it and =
cry my first year in college.  i would give a lot for my kid fears.

with love,
keith
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date:         wed, 29 oct 1997 23:39:03 pst
reply-to:     mel south <melsouth1@hotmail.com>
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hey folks-

on thu 30 oct 00:44 cst
keith isbell <indizone@teclink.net> wrote:

----------(quote)
with all of this talk about kid fears, i'd just like to throw my
interpretation into the ring.  first off, i don't think
the song is about inherent psychological conditions.  the fears in this
song are everyday worries.  as a person
grows older and gains more and more responsibility they also attain more
complex worries and fears in their
lives.  as a child we all (hopefully) didn't have to worry about paying
the rent or eating or jobs or much of
anything really because our parents took care of us.  the biggest thing
we'd have to worry about would be if
they were having tuna surprise again in the cafeteria.  the song shows
how as we grow older, we lose our
hiding places, and there is no place to go to escape the escalating
worries, no safe haven.
    with all of this in mind, "what would you give for your kid fears."
if the only things you had to worry about
were the things you worried about as a child, your life would be much
easier.
    "replace the rent with the stars above.
     replace the need with love.
     replace the anger with the tide.
     replace the ones that you love."
that is what this special song means to me.  i used to listen to it and
cry my first year in college.  i would give
a lot for my kid fears.
-----------(unquote)

i admire keith's interpretation of "kid fears", and i think that's
basically what ar was going for...

however... i actually get tears in my eyes *now* when i hear that song.

not all of us had relatively carefree childhoods, free of complex and
very real fears. keith and amy ray (according to all the interviews and
articles i've seen) were apparently fortunate in that regard.

my mother got cancer when i was young. throughout my youth and
adolescence i watched her become progressively more sick until her
death, shortly before i graduated from high school.

when i first became a fan, ig used to play "kid fears" frequently at
their concerts, and those were actually cathartic experiences for me...
hearing the lyrics... looking around the darkened venue at all the lit
cigarette lighters held up, like stars in the night sky... feeling the
tears in my eyes and the lump in my throat...

anyway... that's what "kid fears" and kid fears mean to me...

just another 2 country heard from (i always encourage mixing
metaphors)...   :o)

peace...
melanie    [aka: mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
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         make stripped of the colors which music puts
         upon them, and recited in simple verse."
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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 05:12:56 -0500
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just thought i would delurk for a minute. i just got finished with my
radio show, from 3-5 am.  i know you are all thinking, how did she get that
prime time slot?  it's all in the skills:)  really, 3-5am isn't that
bad because i usually get to play a couple of indigo girls songs.
tonight i only got to play one:(  some dumb advisor was sitting in us,
making sure we played by the rules.  i played ctf.  so, is this date
in louisville for sure?  does anyone know when tickets go on sale?
well, guess i will go to bed for about two hours before i have to get up
and go to class:(  good morning to everyone who just woke up, and goodnight
to all of the crazy people who are still up like me!  -anna

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holiday inn dayton north
2301 wagoner ford rd
dayton
937-278-4871
4.1 miles from the u of d arena

e-mail me for driving directions from the arena.

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 07:21:54 -0400
reply-to:     matt henley <mhenley@usit.net>
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hello everybody!

i've seen some requests for a boot of friday's show at the
university of delaware. well, look no further, for i have one
and it is excellent. i just finished listening to it (again)
and i still cannot believe how good this tape sounds. the tape
was on my shirt, on the floor, in the second row, directly in
line with the speaker stack to the audience's right. the entire
show is on the tape--i didn't miss or cut off anything, not
even a "thanks y'all." the clarity is excellent--you can pick
out a comment in power of two that amy made about the crowd
while we were singing as she was standing at least half a foot
back from the microphone. you can clearly hear patch cords
being disconnected and reconnected during guitar swaps. if it
weren't for a some close, random comments and some unobtrusive
conversation, you wouldn't think this was recorded in the
audience. the set list is:
  galileo
  kid fears
  least complicated
  shame on you
  get out the map
  shed your skin
  everything in its own time
  tried to be true
  prince of darkness
  scooter boys
  cortez the killer
  leeds
  romeo & juliet
  thin line w/caroline aiken
  power of two
  amy's untitled "nueva senorita" song
  chickenman
  land of canaan
  closer to fine w/ ca

this is my first time doing this, so if you would like a copy,
just mail me and we'll see what happens. if i have to tree this
i'm gonna need some folks to volunteer for branch duty, so...

i also have a boot of the umbc show that's not too great but i
don't know how it compares to marivel's or deb and tori's. mine
was taped from my front pocket two people from the stage, slightly
emily side. there's a slight fade-in/out effect when i really
got to dancing, but that has less to do with the boot quality
than the fact that the sound was really bad in umbc's fieldhouse.
i did screw up, though, trying to change tapes too quickly, and
i missed a good half or more of reunion. anyone that still wants
a copy of this one is plenty welcome to it, if they're willing to
settle for b-c quality. but the setlist does include tangled up in blue,
a down by the river interlude in cut it out, winthrop, romeo &
juliet, virginia woolf, can't find my way, joking, etc.

well, lets open the floodgates and see how full my inbox can get.
if there turns out to be a need for a tree, i'll let everybody
know how it's gonna work. later!

matt

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 08:08:15 -0500
reply-to:     ndygotiggr@aol.com
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from:         j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject:      re: kid fears

on wed, 29 oct 1997, helen albans wrote:
> i feel stupid for asking but can anyone elaborate on what the term kid
> fears actually means....i've never quite understood.
  >>

amy said it was about her friends who had been through things worse than she
could imagine in childhood such as physical and sexual abuse.  i quote, "the
things that i was afraid of as a kid were like the monster under the bed, not
my dad coming in to beat me up."

childhood fears, both the silly ones and the ones that are quite, quite real.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
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anybody_.  keep those two ideas in your head, piglet, and
you'll be all right."
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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 08:09:33 -0500
reply-to:     ndygotiggr@aol.com
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subject:      re: the amazing biscuit conspiracy

in a message dated 97-10-30 07:37:45 est, you write:

<< ok, ok, ok,

you got me, i accept. me and sharon star, who's gonna be sara and jerry?
  >>

can i be jerry?????

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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you'll be all right."
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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 07:24:06 -0600
reply-to:     amy grooters <grooters_a@vt8200.vetmed.lsu.edu>
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>> that neil young song - sounded sooooo familiar - does anyone know
>> what it was - did someone say "crazy horse" - or is that the name of the
>> movie they saw....  oh well, but it was awesome - i love it when amy
>> does neil -(river, cortez, rockin')..... lasted for only about 2 minutes....
>> then amy was like ok that's enough, i'm ready to really rock!!!...  right
>> in the middle of everyone still playing....."quiet, quiet!" (real quick
>>& short -
>> but still loud) ->
>neil young song is powder finger...an awesome song, amy's done parts of
>it since mid summer at shows, but the only boot i have with it is from
>the mm cd release party singing with michelle!!!

powderfinger is also covered by cowboy junkies - you may have heard it there.
amy

"i don't have a type.  it took me this long to narrow it
down to a gender."
-ellen

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 07:41:42 -0500
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subject:      umbc boot??????

<<<<< marivel danielson <marivel@m.imap.itd.umich.edu>  wrote oh and remember
this list doesn't include the umbc boot requests.  did you all
see that there is another tape out there of this show?  i could probably get
it
to you sooner, but i'm pretty sure the other boot is better quality, so those
of
you who have already e-mailed me about it as well as those who were planning
on
e-mailing me...think it over and let me know next week (after tuesday please)
with something in the subject line about "umbc boot".  and for those writing
about pictures, if i could get you all using the same subject heading that
would
be really nice.  how about umbc pics?  i know it's shocking how original and
creative i am at 3 in the morning, isn't it?  well so there you have it.  i
hope
it's clear.  thanks for the incredible response and may we all have
spectacular
weekends! (my body may be in wednesday but my mind is firmly positioned at
friday...)>>>>>>>>

i must have missed this posting about the "other" boot...could someone let me
know who has this boot!!!!!    i would love to have a copy of this show.
please email me if anyone has any info on this...thanks sandy

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 09:27:05 -0500
reply-to:     michael cunningham <nypro.mcunningham@sdps.org>
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here's my recent experience that relates to the dicussion about film /
flashes / and concert pictures...

i just got my pics back from new haven - and they sort of stunk up my
room......  ok, they weren't that bad but they were generally out of
focus...... <grrrrrrrr>
i was in the 11th row, and had a decent point/shoot camera / a zoom
lens, w/ 400 film, and i didn't use the flash at all.
the lighting was perfect - beautiful in some shots - so i definitely agree
that flashes are useless and annoying to others and the performers.
the stage lighting was defintely enough at this theater.

the pics were out of focus, and two film-store-people told me to use 800
next time.... and i will....

also, i was 11th row, but they still weren't that big in the pictures, so
unless you have a good zoom lens of some sort, only take pics from the
first 15/20 rows or so - in order to be able to see there face/details well
enough....

that's just my two cents.....
enjoy the shows......
8-)
mkc
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and watch cartoons for a day."-amy ray
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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 09:02:53 est
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subject:      brrrrlington revue long and rambly
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hello wally!

ahhh, another day, another 36 oz. double mochaccino. just when i think i'm
getting too old to pull five consecutive nights of 5 hours sleep, i remember
how much fun ig shows are! this one was no exception. we (me, sue the lurker,
my boss, and my davey dave) headed up to uvm, moaning the whole way about the
way that daylight savings time is fucking with our collective psyches. pitch
black, 5:18 pm! ridonkulous.

the scenic pastures on i-89 almost make up for it tho. we arrived 6-ish and
went to a yummy little place called "five spicy girls" for dinner. we got all
excited cause there was a big tour bus outisde the restaurant, but alas, it was
ricky bocephus sawyer and some other country cats. blech. dinner was great tho,
but you don't care about that...you care about the show!

the uvm gymnasium is eerily similar to the gym at darty so i felt very at home.
not to mention the fact that you can incorporate all those lingering fantasies
about your gym teacher from high school into the concert experience. ran into
wacky deb bulla who was waaaaay up front with faye ray.  we settled for the
front of the bleachers, much to my butt's chagrin.

the show....well, faye ray got the setlist so i'll let her post
it....highlights were (for me anyway) mystery, ghost, crazy game, winthrop, and
yes...romeo and juliet! i almost completely lost my shit when amy came out to
do r and j. actually, i did lose my shit, and dave just *looked* at me. but how
can you wait five years for something and then when it happens, not have an out
of body experience??? as i floated above the crowd, i mooned jerry. he loved
it.

no fahsion report. i hate those. but they looked great as always and amy seemed
especially happy. they must have said ten times "we love vermont, y'all! we
love burlington! ben and jerry's! yeah!". clearly,  the 12 year olds in the
audience loved them right back. with gusto.

the boot came out great and i'll offer it later...the best part was when i had
to go ask a vermont state police officer to be quiet because his chatter was
ruining the tape! he was nice and compliant :)

back to reality! the absolute best part of the night was when, as the show was
ending, we decided to snake up to the front for the inevitable end. we got
right up there just as they were getting ready to play ctf, and my friend sue
yelled out "can i sing with you"? and before we knew it, there she was, hoisted
up on stage and singing with jerry! it was unbelievable, i was going nuts! she
also played the maracas. she sang the third verse by herself, and then at the
end, jerry gave her a big hug and then he kissed her on the lips!!!!  i about
had an infarction. it was truly the crowning moment to a year of nine of the
best nights of indigo i've ever seen.

i'm sad my chances to see faye and deb are over for a while, but i left my
recorder in good hands with deb "ny shows or bust" bulla who will carry on the
concert slut torch for me while i take a hiatus. she will also write long juicy
letters to the list more often ;)

gotta run, gotta recuperate!

love y'all,

sus
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 02:01:45 -0800
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i am up waaaaaay too late trying to get a history assignment done. for
this assignment i have to read robinson crusoe. so i'm reading along and
i run across this little gem:
"...my wife dying, and my nephew coming home with good success from a
voyage to spain, my inclination to go abroad and his importunity
prevailed, and engaged me to go in his ship as a private trader to the
east indies. this was in the year 1694."
*cue song*
"...i think we were on the same boat back in 1694..."
um, so maybe i'm just really tired and having wacky thoughts, who knows.
wish me luck in staying up all night to finish my homework.
-sam (glad that "ellen" wasn't as hokey this week as it's been lately)

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 10:47:30 -0800
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susan b. marine, thank you for that marvelous introduction!

drum roll please!  and the set list, according to the actual set list
that sully peeled from emily's speaker for me was:

galileo
land of canaan
get out the map
sham on you
mystery
don't give that girl a gun (we went nuts at the first guitar strums for
this -- it's okay, amy; we love you.  lyric change:  why can't i get it
together?  she said i doubt you ever will, ever will again -- amy had
kind of a sad smile going here)
least complicated
shed your skin
crazy game (wow, were we surprised!)
chickenman
hammer & nail
piano (this is what is listed -- emily did the song that is being
referred to as winthrop.  she introduced it as something she wrote when
she was in a suburb of boston and hung out at their local greasy spoon)
cut it out
tangled up in blue
scooter boys
======
can't find my way home (w/caroline)
romeo & juliet (i was way overjoyed.  it was once said amy doesn't do
this live anymore cause she doesn't like the way it's performed.  well,
this was just wonderful as far as i'm concerned!)
closer to fine (caroline -- forgot part of her verse and turned the mike
to us)

that's it!  hard to believe that the indigo year is over.  but who knows,
they like new england -- maybe they'll be back again before too long.
outside after the concert, i heard a rumor that they may be playing
p-town????  any news on this?

sully also threw me a pick!  thank you so much, sully!

i'm gonna miss you, deb, susan b. marine, jen & kristen (who didn't make
it to burlington).  let's have a party!

think indigo!

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 10:37:55 -0500
reply-to:     bellepal@aol.com
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from:         jennifer palumbo <bellepal@aol.com>
subject:      re: aaaahhhh! stop that noise! (nigc)

in a message dated 97-10-30 07:24:45 est, you write:

<< so why can't certain
artists write their own damn songs and leave songs by joni mitchell, sting,
etc., alone?!  because they can't write their own damn songs, which is why i
love my girls  >>

  of course indigo girls themselves have been known to cover joni......
not that i'm arguing.  i still agree.

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 10:29:42 -0500
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from:         rick b sayre <rbsayre@aol.com>
subject:      re: janet rocks!

in a message dated 97-10-30 08:36:07 est, asl@umcs.maine.edu writes:

<< it is so easy to dismiss rap music (or r&b) because it is sampled)
but the new j. jackson cd is unreal - i mean really really good, and joni
mitchell's sample is killer, and what janet did is pretty innovative - open
your minds once in a while people.... >>

:-) i second that emotion. the album's pretty brilliant. while janet's voice
might not be as powerful, her lyrics possibly not as poignant as others, the
album is the result of incredible production and is really great!!

peace,
  rick
must now go back to oddworld. ;)

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 10:56:39 -0400
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subject:      re: janet rocks!
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at 7:54 pm -0400 10/29/97, michael reynolds wrote:
>it is so easy to dismiss rap music (or r&b) because it is sampled)

mike, my friend, i did not dismiss rap music (or r&b) at all....i think all
i said was that i didn't particularly care for that sample...which is my
own opinion, to which everyone is entitled...;o)

>but the new j. jackson cd is unreal - i mean really really good, and joni
>mitchell's sample is killer, and what janet did is pretty innovative -

i have no problem with some sampling, mike....i do however have a problem
with phrases that are repeated over and over and over and over again...it
begins to sound like a broken record to me, and in mho, is not very
appealing.....granted, i didn't listen to the entire song, and only heard
the one repetitive sample which began to bug me....but just because i don't
care for a song doesn't mean i've written off the artist in total or a
complete musical style.  the fact is, i like janet jackson very very much,
and r&b is cool too.  believe it or not, just like alot of us, there are
some ig songs i never listen to cuz i don't like em....doesnt mean i'd
dismiss ig or folk music in general....

>open your minds once in a while people....

:o(  an unnecessarily harsh and insulting comment imho....that's sounds to
me like people aren't entitled to their own opinions....

>face it - if ani put that song out you'd be saying it was the best thing mtv
>ever did...

.....not if she repeated herself over and over and over and over
again....not even in amy or emily did it....

grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.....today is not the day.............:o(

joni  :o(

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 11:23:40 -0400
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is any listee out there desiring to boot the dayton show?  i'd like to
have a souvenir...but i've never booted before, have no equipment, and am
basically clueless.  could a, um, more experienced dayton listee do it?
how 'bout any of y'all in that 9th row?  isn't that a good spot to boot
from? (not too close to the speakers, not too far back, and right smack
dab in a group of listees who will not talk during the songs--never ever,
right?).  please let me know.  i want a boot.  somebody please take my
boot virginity from me.  please?  i'm asking nicely.

btw, kirby, did you get your tickets?  haven't heard from you yet...

jill

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 11:42:56 -0500
reply-to:     "kevin j. mitchell" <kjmitchell@rachel.read.tasc.com>
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subject:      missoula concert on hte website

  i know some of you out there have listened to the entire missoula
show from the honor the earth website.  i haven't been able to yet but
i am hoping i will get a chance to hear it.  could someone tell me
how was the show itself, what was the setlist, and how was the quality
of the audio (i guess that one might depend on the machine you are using
to listen).

thanks,

  kevin mitchell

kjmitchell@tasc.com

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 12:17:11 -0500
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subject:      new haven boot

for everyone who's been inquiring ...

please be patient .... there's an annoucement being worked on regarding this
tape ...

you should see something about it in the next day or so ...

thanks :)

chris

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 10:17:28 -0700
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i was reading an article in utne reader when i noticed an ad for:

daughters of the moon, sisters of the sun

young women & mentors on the transition to womanhood
k. wind hughes & linda wolf

this book is about the lives of teenage girls--and the profound journey
they have taken with their mentors.  it's an invitation for women to heal
from their own teenage years and for girls to find their true selves.

*indigo girls   *riane eisler   *maya angelou   *starhawk
*lindsay wagner *angela davis   *wilma mankiller
*carol gilligan

$19.95 paperback, 8x9, 240 pp., 75 photos, isbn 0-86571-377-4
available in bookstores or call new society publishers 800-567-6772

_____________________________

so, has anyone seen or read this book?
-g.

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at 10:17 am 10/30/97 -0700, garian wrote:
>daughters of the moon, sisters of the sun
>
>young women & mentors on the transition to womanhood
>k. wind hughes & linda wolf
<snip>
>*indigo girls   *riane eisler   *maya angelou   *starhawk
>*lindsay wagner *angela davis   *wilma mankiller
>*carol gilligan

ig and the bionic woman, together at last.

h
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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 12:32:31 -0500
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hey all,
first my professor showed us a diagram of a business that was an upside-down
triangle with rainbow stripes, then on her web page, she used one of those
rainbow horizontal rules that are so popular on glb pages.  i think her
subconscience is coming to the surface. :)  happy thursday!

elizabeth

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~~~
"but you taught me how to value life
and what else do i need
i have a dad who watches over me"
-k's choice, "dad"

"how i long to fall just a little bit, to dance out of the
lines and stray from the light"
-dar williams, "iowa"

"the piglet was sitting on the ground at the door of his house
blowing happily at a dandelion, and wondering whether it would
be this year, next year, sometime or never.  he had just
discovered that it would be never, and was trying to remember
what 'it' was, and hoping it wasn't anything nice, when pooh
came up."
-a.a. milne, "winnie-the-pooh"

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subject:      watershed video

i just saw a post that said people couldn't find watershed...i got mine at
tower, you might try there.
good luck!

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amy,
i thought little five points closed down?  isn't that what they said in
watershed? i thought amy tried to buy it but she was unsuccessful. just
wondering....;)

on mon, 27 oct 1997, amy cason wrote:

> to whomever asked about atlanta advice...
> go to little five points.  do not pass go (although collecting $200 is a
> great option).  be sure to check out charis books & more while you're
> there!  it is the coolest bookstore in the whole wide world!!!
>
> peace,
> amy
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hey jen,
just a little message about lowell...i was very sad to see amy freak out
during cut it out because of what that song is about to her.  i can
imagine what she is going through about cooper and all...just thought i
would share.

on mon, 27 oct 1997, jennifer cone wrote:

>         hey y'all.
>         so i was thinking of buying a walkman that can
> *record*...um...um...things (yeah we all know what things i'm talking about,
> but i'm in denial...i'm mean, i'm sure i'll come up with other things to use
> it for too...i just haven't thought of any yet).  so i need some advice from
> all you technical-minded people out there.  what exactly do i need?  i'd
> like advice on important features, good brands, and any other useful
> information.  also, i don't have a fortune to spend on this, and if you
> think i'd be wasting my money buying a fairly cheap-end product, you can let
> me know that too.
>         and for all you experienced booters out there, does anyone have any
> tips you want to share with someone who wants to try her hand at booting?
>         any help at all will be greatly appreciated.
> thanks,
> jen
>
> (who is still recovering from amy's amazing intense performance of cut it
> out last night at lowell; i've never seen anything like that before in my
> entire life; i still get the chills just thinking about it)
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more information about the book for the curious can be found online at
http://www.newsociety.com/new.html

julie

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>just a little message about lowell...i was very sad to see amy freak out
>during cut it out because of what that song is about to her.

not a flame but just a couple thoughts here:

i wouldn't say it was "sad" to see her "freak out"--i think it's really
healthy that she can vent her obviously passionate emotions like that by
channeling them into something as productive and powerful and beautiful as a
performance like the one she gave.  and she looked almost relieved in an
exhausted way after she had sang it.  it was the same after dgtgag in new
haven--she looked just heartbroken during the last whispery part ('give it
back, give it back, i said give that back" etc) but when the audience went
so quiet while she sang, and then exploded into applause when she finished,
there was this expression on her face that showed how much our support meant
to her.  she was relieved & happy and had this happy and shy-almost grin on
her face.  she *really* meant her "thanks y'all" at that point.  performing
like that is obviously draining but ultimately therapeutic.

heather
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hey, someone prolly already posted this or
whatnot, but i found this searching online this
summer....it's actually amusing and
informative....


gaynetters -- someone was asking about this
recently. i wrote
this article 11/22/89. rex wockner


gay sheep come out of the closet
by rex wockner

        eight percent of the male sheep at the
united states department of agriculture's sheep
experimental station in dubois, idaho, are gay,
officials confirmed in late november.

        "these animals are homosexual. they are
responding physically to how they are,"
explained anne perkins, a doctoral student at
the station who is completing her dissertation
on reproductive behavior in rams." station
officials deferred to
perkins when asked for details on the matter.

        "it's a very interesting model and we
can learn a great deal about homosexuality from
it," perkins said. "they are not morally or
culturally or ethically behaving like humans.
these sheep are just doing what their bodies are
telling them to do."

        homosexuality among animals is "nothing
real unique," according to perkins, who said gay
sex has been observed in 63 distinct mammalian
species. "it's not considered aberrant in farm
animals at all," she said.

        the gay sheep, like some gay men,
practice anal intercourse, according to perkins,
although some achieve orgasm simply by rubbing
their penis around another male sheep's tail.

        there is, however, a serious social
problem currently in gay sheep culture in that
most gay sheep, perkins said, only want to
be on top.

        "the difficulty for homosexual sheep is
that it's difficult to find another male who
will stand still," perkins explained.  "if there
is a ram that is hurt or caught in a fence, then
they can mount him, but otherwise there are so
few receivers that it becomes difficult for
homosexuals to express themselves."

        only two of the gay sheep in perkins'
study population don't mind being on the bottom.
"they tolerate it," she said. "they may have
been the wimps that got beat up so much that it
was easier to tolerate it than anything else."

        lesbian sheep, meanwhile, are apparently
wrestling with a major "invisibility" problem in
the gay sheep world, a difficulty that has
plagued human lesbians too.

        "it's very difficult to look at the
possibility of lesbian sheep," perkins
explained, "because if you are a female sheep,
what you do to solicit sex is stand still. you
don't mount. so, it's very rare that a female
sheep would mount another female sheep."

        "maybe there is a female sheep out there
really wanting another female," perkins
speculated, "but there's just no way for us to
know it."

        in addition to the rams who are
practicing homosexuals, another eight percent of
perkins' ram population fail to express interest
in any kind of sex.

        "they have a very low libido," she
explained.

        two percent of the gay sheep, meanwhile,
begin dabbling in bisexuality following one year
of exclusive homosexuality, perkins said.

        researchers don't have many theories yet
about why some sheep are gay, but perkins says
she is convinced that the animals are genuinely
homosexual.

        "we're not embarrassed or ashamed of
this," she added. "but we do hope it doesn't get
twisted and distorted in a way that could do
harm to the united states department of
agriculture."

        perkins will receive her doctorate from
the university of california at davis later this
year.


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subject:      do i owe you a boot? - lost your addresses

well, we just did a major computer network overhaul at work and i completely
lost all my saved messages and addresses.  i know that i owe 5 people boots.
if this is you please send me a message reminding me with your address.
i've gotten some tapes in the mail (they're at home so i don't know who
they're from).  i'm also having trouble getting access to a cassette
recorder, but i can and will make it work!!! :)  hang in there!  thanks for
your patience.  -anne   : chiqhiker@aol.com

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:amy,
:i thought little five points closed down?  isn't that what they said in
:watershed? i thought amy tried to buy it but she was unsuccessful. just
:wondering....;)


well, the little five points club closed, and that is what they where
talking about in the video.  little 5, is an area in atlanta where moreland,
euclid, and mclendon intersect, and more than that it is a very eclectic
neighborhood with really neat stores and restaurants.  i would also suggest
visiting charis. (oh, by the way bell hooks is reading at charis tonight @
7:30).
forever searching for the truth,
kristen
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324403 georgia tech station       unless we survive
atlanta ga 30332                         but we will not survive
gt4403e@prism.gatech.edu          unless we change."
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on thu, 30 oct 1997, kristen adkins wrote:

> neighborhood with really neat stores and restaurants.  i would also suggest
> visiting charis. (oh, by the way bell hooks is reading at charis tonight @
> 7:30).
> forever searching for the truth,
> kristen
> ~~~~~~

<smoke pouring out of ears>
damn, damn, damn my work schedule!!!!  why do i only get 10 hours a week
and those 10 hours always fall on a day when there is something going on
i'd like to do???!!!!????  aaarrrggghhh!!!

amy (who thinks it is high time she moved to atlanta...hell i go there
often enough)

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howdy ho kind listees :)

elizabeth nitz and i have teamed up to create the one and only sots tour
archives / ig mailing list trader's page. it is one of the pages located at
the sots tour archives (http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html) or
it can be accessed directly at <http://members.tripod.com/~indigoempire>.

if you sent me your bootlist url a while ago or requested that your
bootlist be put on the web, i forwarded your info to elizabeth and she
listed your info on the site. if you sent me info and you're not listed,
let me know because it means you got lost in the shuffle.

elizabeth will maintain the area so any additions or corrections should be
worked out with her. she can be reached at <elizabeth.nitz@evolving.com>.

it's our hope that the site will aid folks in getting the tapes they're
looking for.

also, i am finally getting around to updating my links page and would like
to list other ig related pages. if you have a page that you'd like linked
from my site, please send me a little description and the url.

thanks muchly!

deb

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subject:      amy angst

>just a little message about lowell...i was very sad to see amy freak out
>during cut it out because of what that song is about to her.  i can

be grateful then that you didn't see her when they first went on
tour for the new album...she was like an open wound.  i, too, felt
really bad for her, but it looks like she getting healthy again.

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:well, the little five points club closed, and that is what they where


correction that is the little five points pub, not club

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hi all,
        i know this is probably a random question, but has anyone been to a
concert recently and heard them sing language or the kiss?
i haven't heard this song in a long time and i was just wondering if they
still perform it.  :-)
                                                        -heather

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subject:      boot request - help!

howdy kind friends,

i'm in need of the following boots:

the palace theater, new haven 4/24/95
cynthia woods mitchell pavilion, woodlands, tx 9/3/94
palumbo theatre, pittsburgh, pa 10/13/94
mid-hudson civic center, poughkeepsie, ny  4/26/95
warener theater, erie, pa  4/15/95

please help if you can.  i'll send sase and blank or we can trade or
whatever.  my first born child is not an option, and as i get older, i seem
to be in need of both kidneys, but anything else, we can talk about!

thanks in advance,


pam (victim of a mysteriously erased tape!!!)

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subject:      annoucement: ig new haven boot

ok here it goes ....

this is the official announcement of the 10/28/97 boot from new haven, ct ...

it was taped by lynda (famous on the ig-boston list) ... mine was incomplete
because of the getting "snagged" incident ... causing me to miss part of
dgtgag !

i'll have in in my hot little hands soon .... so e-mail privately me for
furthur info !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

chris

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hi all,
      for those that haven't had the chance to watch c-span, hr 1270 was
just voted down in the house!!!!!  i believe that  it was approx. 200
votes to 8o something votes.  i'm too excited to remember!  now let's all
hope and pray that this bill dies the painful death it deserves.  i
guesss this is about the time that we really hope all of the postcards,
cd's purchased, protesting, and activism that helped to push this issue
before the public eye works the way it was planned.


smiles,
allison

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subject:      opinions  opinions

--- mike r. wrote:
it is so easy to dismiss rap music (or r&b) because it is sampled)
but the new j. jackson cd is unreal - i mean really really good, and joni
mitchell's sample is killer, and what janet did is pretty innovative - open
your minds once in a while people....

***mike, may i remind you that every opinion on this list is equally valid, and
that yours is no more so than anyone else's, and that by belittling someone
else with your opinions, you are making yourself appear to be mean spirited and
an egoist?

if people don't like certain music, it doesn't mean their minds aren't open.
perhaps they have opened them, heard the music, decided they don't like it, and
that's that.

i'm surprised at your hostility!

---then wrote:
face it - if ani put that song out you'd be saying it was the best thing mtv
ever did...

**that's malarky!  not everyone likes ani difranco and not everything ani
difranco does is pure gold (and i'm a huge fan of hers so it's rare for me to
say that). where is this coming from?

remember friends, opinions are like assholes...everybody's got one

susan

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 16:20:10 -0500
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        hey everyone.  i just wanted to add my 2 cents about burlington.  i
only got 4 hrs of sleep last night, so forgive me if something doesn't make
sense.  also, i haven't had a chance to read much email since monday, so
also forgive me if i repeat something that's already been said.  now on to
the show...
        it was so great.  definitely worth a 10 hr roundtrip drive (which
btw was beautiful) and very little sleep.  both of the girls seemed happy to
be there and into the show.  amy kept up the cute hand motions that she had
going on at lowell but to a somewhat lesser extent.  she also changed the
lyrics to dgtgag and used the "i am the bane..." sb ending like someone said
she did at new haven.  she also changed the words to r&j.  instead of
saying: "when we made love, *you* used to cry.  *you* said i love you like
the satrs above, gonna love you till i die."  she said, "when we made love,
*i* used to cry.  *i* said i love you like the stars..."  during both dgtgag
and r&j she looked like she was in so much pain was gonna cry.  it was
almost hard to watch.  i felt so bad for her.  it's amazing that she can go
on after going thru singing those types songs.  i guess as far as intensity
rankings go (imho of course), cio at lowel gets first, dgtgag at b. gets
second, and r&j at b. gets third (i wasn't at new haven, so i can't rank
those).
        emily was great too, but i can't think of anything specific to say
about her right now.  oh.  i know.  she looks so sweet and innocent with her
eyes closed singing those beautiful ballads.  it makes me want to just hug
her (and wouldn't she be surprised if i lept up on stage and did...).  she
was so funny when she introduced winthrop.  she went on and on about it and
then she was like why don't i just play it and then she started too but she
messed up and told us she was still learning the piano and then she actually
played it.  it was so funny...and endearing.
        also there must have been some private joke between a & e & band &
crew cuz they kept cracking up in between songs.  could anyone in the front
hear what they were laughing about?
        i was very psyched to hear crazy game cuz i'd never heard it before.
i was surprised how many people i heard singing along (although they were
definitely a minority).  the only person i could see who obviously knew the
words was a woman wearing a blue and green plaid shirt who was with a woman
wearing a white shirt (they both had dark hair).  she was about 8-10 rows
back a little to amy's side.  are you out there in baigl or big list-land
somewhere? i almost tapped her on the shoulder to ask her if she was on the
list, but i would've had to knock over the very loud girls who were in
between us and that probably would've made them scream even more and then i
would've gone deaf and then i'd never be able to hear ig again so it wasn't
worth it (maybe i only thought they were loud cuz they were singing and
screaming directly into my ear and maybe they really were really loud...but
i digress).  anyway this woman was just glowing so it's probably best that i
didn't ruin her moment.
        actually that's one thing i noticed.  the concert was mainly full of
just normal looking people but there a small few around me who looked sooooo
happy to be there that it felt good and warm and fuzzy everytime i caught a
glimpse of one of them.  it's just makes you glad to see people who love it
that much.
      well i can't think of anything else right now.  besides, i've got to
go take a nap.
still glowing,
jen

ps disclaimer: this ps contains gross generalizations and stereotypes (but
is not mean-spirited or meant to offend).
you northerner concert-goers are so funny when you make fun of a & e's
accents. you say, "they tawk sooo funny" or something like that, and then
you do the absolute worst impression of a southern accent that i've ever
heard.  and the whole time your northern accent is coming through loud and
clear.  and then i start laughing and you look at me and can't figure out
why.  it's all so funny.  he, he.

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from:         amy statler <beanz17@aol.com>
subject:      question on booting an ig show

hello list !


im new , just a few days old.  ive been reading all the mail on how to sneak
in a camera.  i have a question, what are ya'll using to record the shows,
and where is the best place to stick it during the show and so on...
im thinking of attempting a boot the next time the girls are in texas.  any
advice  from the professional  booters is appreciated.   thanks.
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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 16:29:50 -0800
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it was askin tooooooooo much for everyone to be nice today so only good
happy vibes got thru to our fellow listmember..
figures
:(

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subject:      an interpretation question...

hey all-

i have recently listened very closely to 1-2-3 and keeper of my heart for the
first time. what the hell are these two songs about?

i'd love any feedback, because i'm really confused...

thanks!

-dani :)

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>>i have recently listened very closely to 1-2-3 and keeper of my heart for the
first time. what the hell are these two songs about?

i'd love any feedback, because i'm really confused...<<

me too dani - whats it all about listees......

b

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subject:      anyone in omaha?  nigc
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(all applicable apologies for the wasted bw)
is there anyone on this list in omaha?  email me privately.
thanks,
garian

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 18:39:21 -0500
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subject:      nigc: ani d "32 flavors" remake

yuck!
   i was driving home in the rain yesterday and all of a sudden i hear the
opening guitar to "32 flavors" on the radio and i thought "wow!  one of my
fav. ani songs is on the radio!!!!"  but alas, no such luck...it was some
weak remake!  i think alanna miles or someone did it...and it would be great
to listen to if i hadn't already heard it done perfectly by ani.  has anyone
else heard this version?  what did y'all think? :p
:)x

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 19:08:17 -0500
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just a question for those of us who don't know the significance of "cut it
out" to amy could someone please inform everyone and what exactly did happen?
                        thanks,
                                chel

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 16:09:43 pst
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hey everyone!!

i've got an extra indigo girls ticket for utica, ny -- nov 1, saturday,
8pm at the stanley performing arts center....

if there's anyone out there that wants to go, please contact me!!!

the seats are front row, balcony....
i paid $30 for it, but i suppose i'll take whatever i can get....

please email me at   yrgrrl@hotmail.com

*donna*


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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 19:41:26 -0500
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ok...here's the deal...i am leaving tomorrow afternoon for the sarah/dar
concert in pittsburgh and really want to boot the show.  so i'm
thinking...would i get good quality if i kept the recorder in my bra?  any
other suggestions?  any type or brand that is not made of metal just in
case there are metal detectors?  i am so afraid of getting caught because i
am going with a friend who would die if it happened.  i just want lasting
memories.

ok...another question...i have an auto flash camera...if i put in 1000 sp
film and taped over the flash so it wouldn't show (and so i wouldn't get
caught) would the pictures be ruined?

hoping to hear from ya'll soon..
alisa

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subject:      re: language or the kiss?

hey, since this song was brought up, does anyone have any specific ideas of
what it is about?  i still am not sure.  i think it has to do overall with
choosing between emotional love vs. physical love....thus, language or the
kiss......at first it seems to start off like she has broken up with someone
recently and is missing her.......and is sad.......but that she is "mute" by
her decision by choosing to leave this lover.......and in the second verse,
is the one thing she said to her that she wanted was "i love you?"  and when
she is in the hotel room........what is she writing?  a letter, maybe, to her
former lover about her decisions?  or maybe just a journal to herself about
her decisions on love......emotional over physical?   or is is just symbolic?
if anyone has any thoughts or opinions on this, please respond.

thanks.....amanda

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 20:22:20 -0600
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>yuck!
>   i was driving home in the rain yesterday and all of a sudden i hear the
>opening guitar to "32 flavors" on the radio and i thought "wow!  one of my
>fav. ani songs is on the radio!!!!"  but alas, no such luck...it was some
>weak remake!  i think alanna miles or someone did it...and it would be great
>to listen to if i hadn't already heard it done perfectly by ani.  has anyone
>else heard this version?  what did y'all think? :p
>:)x
>
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i was listening to the local college radio station here...

serving the texas panhandle and the wooooorld with over 100,000 watts of
commercial-free powwwwweeeeeerrrrrrrrr...amarillo college's...fm-90.

and i heard some girl singing...great, another girl singer, just what we
all need, right?  then i heard the line, "i'm beyond your peripheral
vision..." and i thought, "hold up a minute, jimbo."

i thought it didn't sound like ani...i'm no ani expert, but my spidey sense
said no.

so i'm glad you could shed some light.

[subject change]

on the radio subject, i was listening to our other cool station here...

amarillo's new attitude in rock...99.7, the buuuuuuuuuzzzzzzz...

and they were having their "new music nooner".  the guy said, "we're gonna
wrap things up with a new one from indigo girls."  wanna know what he
played?  i was surprised...everything in its (not "it's", thanks) own time.

has anyone heard if this is the new upcoming single, or did this dude just
like the song enough to play it?

justin

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 20:40:57 est
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subject:      ames listmeet?

any one up for an ames listmeet?

sounds like there are at least 2 of us interested.... let  me know and we
can plan something.

also let me know if you are 21 or older so we can decide if it should be
at bar or not.

---derek
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hi all,
i think this song is about her being torn between her career
an the road and staying at home (or at least close to) her family,
friends, and people she loves.  the "language" is a symbol for her
musical career----singing and playing for fans--- and the "kiss"
stands for her relationships with those she is close to.

"a table set for six and five were there......stood outside and kept my
eyes upon that empty chair" says to me that she really misses not "being
there" and being able to spend time with people she loves.

also the line "...that i might reap the praise of strangers and end
up on my own" means to me that we, the fans, are the "strangers"
and e worries that maybe she's going to all this trouble to "make us
happy" and in the meantime she may be missing out on something
much more important for herself.  obviously, she enjoys what she
does, but i think that's part of the complexity of this song (and
probably her life, in real life).  she honestly loves playing
her music, and ultimately has chosen the language over the kiss,
because she knows it keeps her alive.  both physically, in the sense that
it's how she makes a living, and also spiritually.

i know there's a lot more to it than this, but this is the basic idea
i get from the song.  i think it's one of e's best.  so heartfelt.
that's our emily!

so now you have my 2 cents worth.
please share any other ideas.  i'd love to hear them and i'm sure
others would too.

leigh ann

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 22:16:59 -0400
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i found this in spin's girl issue (nov 97) page 94:
"the new jewels"
"...elektra realized ani difranco would make a swell signing, and so,
undaunted by that impossibility, turned to ani sound-alike alana davis.
davis, 21, flies that flag proudly- she covers difranco's 32 flavors for
her first single- but the rest of her debut is more des'ree than
difranco, "inspirational" music deadened by mor tastefulness..."

fortunately-
david

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 20:36:28 -0800
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i'm having a brain block
the line "it scares me half to death"
what is this from?
thanks for the help and happy haloween!

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michele,
are you familar with melissa ferrick?
the refrain of her song, "when you left":

"i remember everything it scares me half to death,
i remember the color of the door knob that you used when you left"

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subject:      binghamton tix

hey everyone,

i'm looking for an extra ticket to tomorrow night's binghamton concert.  if
there are any binghamton students who have an extra ticket (because i won't
be able to get it in the mail obviously) please let me know.  thanks a lot!

ilana

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i was just wondering--
ever since and before the umbc concert i keep hearing all the stories
about people going up on stage to sing closer to fine with amy and emily.
at the umbc concert they said that they weren't having people sing with
them that night even though people had signs. i was just curious on what
other people thought. was the security really tight or maybe too many
people held up signs and they knew they couldn't have everybody. if anyone
has any thoughts you can e-mail me at:
cch211@is8.nyu.edu  (address all lowercase)
thanks,
chloe

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 21:43:16 -0700
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on thu, 30 oct 1997, robert arkin wrote:

> just a question for those of us who don't know the significance of "cut it
> out" to amy could someone please inform everyone and what exactly did happen?
>                         thanks,
>                                 chel
>chel,

"cut it out" is about amy's break-up with her former girlfriend. when she
sings this song, she gets incredibly emotional and it's truly amazing. you
can just see the intense emotion she feels when she sings it.

i've personally seen her do it twice and it was amazing both times, but it
sounds like the particular performance (at lowell, was it?) was
extraordinarily intense. that's about all i can shed on it, anyone else
have any thoughts? please share.

amy m.


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i am out of the office from 10/31/97, returning 11/10/97.  you will receive
only this notification of my absence prior to my return, at which time i will
respond.
i am on vacation so will not be checking email at all during this period.

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in a message dated 97-10-27 19:33:20 est, it was written:

<< anyone ever hear of?

3.50    starr, garrison eighteen over me  adv-nb        geffen records.
....[starr's] jangly, midwestern guitar pop echoes the folk-tinged sounds of
the indigo girls, lava hay and natalie merchant but retains the strength
and drive of an emerging artist....starr shows a great deal of promise...
  >>
yes!! yes...
her cd has not left my cd player since i got it. she is from mississippi, &
lives in memphis. she has an amazing voice & songwriting ability. pop driven,
but unique. amazing harmonies. sort of a cross between sheryl crow, sam
phillips, & michelle malone-- with a buttery yet growly voice not unlike our
own ms. ray. i highly recommend her album "eighteen over me".
for dc area people, garrison starr is opening for the refreshments at the 9:30
club on november 8.
anyway, check her out if you can. her first single "superhero" is amazing &
will be released to radio very soon.
-alexandra

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 01:07:33 -0500
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i wrote:
>who is still recovering from amy's amazing intense performance of cut it
> out last night at lowell; i've never seen anything like that before in my
> entire life; i still get the chills just thinking about it

k. roberts wrote:
>i was very sad to see amy freak out
>during cut it out because of what that song is about to her.  i can
>imagine what she is going through about cooper and all

i just wanted to say that i completely agree with what k. roberts is saying,
but i think that's why the song is so intense and why watching it is so
moving.  she just puts so much of herself and her pain into it.  it's
certainly not pleasant or fun to watch in the way that most songs are.  but
with that said, it is very...gripping (i don't know if that's the right
word, but i can't think of a better one).  it makes you feel so bad for her.
if you've seen it live, you'll know what i'm talking about.  it's just
impossible to forget...i don't know.  i can't really explain it.  i'll just
say that it really touched me and i've found myself thinking about it a lot
since lowell...

anyone else care to share their thoughts on the subject?

jen

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 01:40:14 -0500
reply-to:     sarah pinsker <spinsker@goucher.edu>
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        >i have recently listened very closely to 1-2-3 and keeper of my
heart for >the first time. what the hell are these two songs about?

well, the sheet music book quotes (presumably amy) saying this about
"123": "this was written in sympathy with those people who are drawn
to...darker things in their life in order to help them create. its also
in response to the way the media attaches itself to that part of the
artist. somebody can become bigger than life in that respect, when
it'snot really the way they are at all."

also, while all the fuss was going on about ellen and the parental
advisory, apparently nbc managed to slip in an interesting event: i
didn't see it, but i heard that on mad about you this week, the couple
are upset because their baby is crying, and they call the doctor in the
middle of the night - a doctor who had been referred to them by the
husband's sister and her girlfriend. so, the doctor calls the girlfriend
to gripe, waking her up *in bed with her girlfriend*. yep, the network
showed two women in bed together, in prime time, in a comedy, without an
advisory. i thought that was pretty cool.

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

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in a message dated 97-10-30 11:18:00 est, someone wrote:

<< << so why can't certain
  artists write their own damn songs and leave songs by joni mitchell, sting,
  etc., alone?!  because they can't write their own damn songs, which is why i
  love my girls  >> >>

i gotta say that i was really moved by what is certainly a heartfelt nod
to joni mitchell by janet and her crew. the video is mesmerizing.
really nice.
like mike and rick, i love that song and have been thinking about
buying the cd.

yep.
claire

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date:         thu, 30 oct 1997 23:10:04 -0800
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hi everybody!

on the eve of my unemployment, i decided to make a tape for one of my
coworkers.  my boss is retiring and i thought i'd quit early so that i can
start making plans for the next phase of my life...i've had very mixed
feelings about my coworkers but i thought i'd try to leave on a good note
so i made a tape....it's a mixture of ig and michelle malone (mm) songs.
here is the list for anyone interested:

side a:
you left it up to me
medicated magdelene (mm)
get out the map
counting stars (mm)
jonas & ezekiel
sins of all my years (mm)
watershed

side b:
knee deep (mm)
closer to fine
32 seconds (mm)
fare thee well
green (mm)
hey kind friend
galileo
in the weeds (mm)
wood song

i have to say that closure can be very cathartic!

have a great night,
rachel :)
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it's alright."  emily saliers
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h <hhusted@bu.edu> wrote:

i wouldn't say it was "sad" to see her "freak out"--i think it's really
healthy that she can vent her obviously passionate emotions like that by
channeling them into something as productive and powerful and beautiful as a
performance like the one she gave.  and she looked almost relieved in an
exhausted way after she had sang it.
but when the audience went
so quiet while she sang, and then exploded into applause when she finished,
there was this expression on her face that showed how much our support meant
to her.  she was relieved & happy and had this happy and shy-almost grin on
her face.  she *really* meant her "thanks y'all" at that point.  performing
like that is obviously draining but ultimately therapeutic.

end quote


i just wanted to say that i agree with this too (i'm just in an agreeable
mood tonight). as much as the pain in the song effects and moves us, it
seems that venting thru song is good for her which is definitely something
to keep in mind as we watch her perform it.
now that really is all i'm going to say about this, so i'll pass the torch
to someone else...

jen (who is procrastinating thru posting way too much tonight)

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 07:36:07 -0500
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subject:      re: flash stuff...

goo gone, i got it too. works great!!!!!!!!
michelle

<< but we've got this neat stuff ("goop-off" maybe?) that
removes sticky adhesives, gums, etc.  that removed the gunk nicely and now
my camera is back to its original retinal-singeing-flashing splendor.

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gee, i was gonna compose a post on this subject, but it appears that
leigh ann is psychic, read all my thoughts, and wrote & posted before
i even got home.  i second her interpretation, down to the letter.
this is exactly what i've always felt about this song - which is one of
my absolute all-time favorites because of its articulation of the
sometimes heart-breaking conflict between avocation/work & family/
relationships. <sigh>.  all i can say is, "ain't it the truth."
peace-nic

>i think this song is about her being torn between her career
>an the road and staying at home (or at least close to) her family,
>friends, and people she loves.  the "language" is a symbol for her
>musical career----singing and playing for fans--- and the "kiss"
>stands for her relationships with those she is close to.
>and e worries that maybe she's going to all this trouble to "make us
>happy" and in the meantime she may be missing out on something
>much more important for herself.

>because she knows it keeps her alive.  both physically, in the sense
>that it's how she makes a living, and also spiritually.


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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 08:26:09 -0500
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to all that might know the answer to....

i'm going to tonight's concert ( obviously ) and i want to boot it....
how do i get
it in past security? i also want to bring a camera, what would i do with
that?

if anyone can please help me, time is running out.....

thanks :)

marie

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 08:17:57 -0500
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subject:      the language or the kiss

this is in response to the person wondering what we thought the
language or the kiss is about.  i was visiting a friend who is friends with
them when so came out  and she read the lyrics to that song and she
said isn't that so emily?  its kind of sad, actually, because how she
explained it to me is that when emily's writing songs, she can't be in a
relationship.  so i think its about choosing between her work and love.
that makes me feel really guilty because i enjoy her songs so much, but i
want her to be happy.

tiffany

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just a brief comment on this: one of the things about this song
that gets to me is the visceral response i often get when i hear her
sing that phrase "cut it all out now."  in my own experience, in the
course of bad break-ups i've had an intense sense of wanting to
(metaphorically) surgically excise the pain - even the relationship
itself - from my heart.  cutting it out represents a powerful
double-entendre of meaning for me.  and when i"m driving in my car,
listening to this song at mega-volume, i find myself reliving that agony
and, as i said, having a truly visceral response to the song.
peace-nic

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>something to read, be disturbed by, and respond to.
>
>>this message is to advise you that on nov. 8th or 15th bet's teen summit will
>>air a program which features angie and debbie winans performing their song
>>about homosexuality entitled "it's not natural."   the song is a part of
>>their crusade to "help emancipate people from the sinful bondage of
>>homosexuality."
>>
>>this program will be viewed by young people across the country and it is
>>important that the black lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender community
>>voice our outrage at such blatant intolerance and insensitivity.  they must
>>hear from us.
>>
>>please write or call bet and let them know that airing this program is
>>unacceptable.  in addition, please pass this information on and encourage
>>your friends to respond as well.
>>
>>the contact information is:
>>
>>rene turner
>>executive producer
>>bet
>>1899 9th st., ne
>>washington, dc 20018
>>(202) 608-2731
>>
>>deborah tang
>>vice president
>>(same as above)
>>(202)608-2312
>>
>>if you would like to contact our office for more information, please call
>>(202) 483-6786 or email us at nblglf@aol.com.
>>
>>thank you.
>>
>>keith boykin
>>national black lesbian and gay leadership forum

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 08:54:49 -0500
reply-to:     susan hetherington <susanh@hyperion.coat.com>
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from:         susan hetherington <susanh@hyperion.coat.com>
subject:      re: brrrrlington revue long and rambly
x-to:         susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu
x-cc:         igboston@palin.mit.edu

okay, so for a loooong time she threatened to have me "de-lurked"
in some evil way, but susan b. marine (the "b" is not for badass,
but for big-liar!) has reached far into the depths of her bizarre
self and come up with quite the story.  if only it were true...

yes, i'm that sue - the alleged third verse singer, kisser on the
lips of jerry (he is woman, hear him roar...) and all around ig
lover.  unfortunately, as fun as it sounds - it's not true!!  i
guess this is what i get for lurking in on all your conversations
and not participating.

alright susie - you got me good.  but i got this strange message
on my machine last night.  jerry somebody's partner???  heard a
l'il rumor that i was diddling with jerry and wants to kick my
ass??  what's that about?? ;)

until the next concert (gee, when are they coming to new england
again - it's been forever!!), i'll frolic in this dream that sus
has created and make it true, at least for my own little self.

happy days all...

-the other sue in new hampshire

btw - the burly show was great - romeo and juliet and crazy game
with winthrop thrown in - it was, um, mmm... nice.

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 09:25:57 -0500
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from:         lisa dupre <memememi@aol.com>
subject:      re: orlando ticket info??

i would truly appreciate any info any kind person could share regarding
onsale info for the orlando (nov 29th) show.  ticketmaster knows nothing as
usual, and since the tickets are to go on sale tomorrow, i'm kind of lost as
to where else to check.

i'd be forever grateful for any help!!

thanks!!
=)
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abbett @ aol.com (amanda abbett) wrote...and in the second verse,
is the one thing she said to her that she wanted was "i love you?"

ok - i don't remember this part.  enlighten me someone please - if you have the
time.  thanks - b

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could someone please repost or email me the new haven set list?
need to do the covers for my boots!!


thanx
lynda
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at 03:00 pm 10/29/97 pst, toye gillman wrote:
>
>next, does anyone know where i can get a copy of the video, "inn trouble?"
i've been looking all over and can't find it anywhere to rent or buy.
please email privately if you can help.
>
inn trouble is not available commercially.  apparently the director of the
movie couldn't find anyone to distribute the movie and it may never be
released. she wouldn't even give copies to the people that were in the movie.

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at 03:14 pm 10/28/97 -0600, katherine roberts wrote:

>paul wrote:
>
>2) i'm trying to find a mailing list for melissa ferrick.. does anybody have
>any info on how to subscribe? thanx in advance.
>
>there used to be a melissa ferrick list that was run by the same folks who
>have the melissa etheridge list.  it ended when they had to switch
>servers, and as far as i know none other came up to take its place.  if
>another one has started, could someone post the info?
>
as of right now there is no list for melissa ferrick, dave & glenna never
started a new one. however there is one in the works, as soon as we can get
the server up and running! we will also be starting a list for laura love
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subject:      i have issssues (getting past security guards)

--- marie wrote:
i'm going to tonight's concert ( obviously ) and i want to boot it....
how do i get
it in past security? i also want to bring a camera, what would i do with
that?
--- end of quote ---
sometimes you can get past squealing "i have issues!"

but what seems to work for me every time, other than not showering for five
days so people can't even bear to share your air, is to head for the teeniest
and least intimidating looking security guard. at burlington the other night,
this chyck who frisked me must have been about 12. there's nothing wrong with
being 12 friends, except you usually weigh about 40 pounds and stand 5 foot 2,
so you're not gonna be an exactly equal match for my big ass. at any rate, she
was youngish looking and small in stature, and thus didn't seem too keen on
sticking her hand right in my business. that's right....sorry to be graphic,
pals,  but stick it down your pants. all the way down. down there. between your
thighs. no matter how much you are frisked, noone is going to put their hand
directly in your crotch! ikf they do, you can sue and noone likes a sue-r ;-)

if you are a little shy and don't wanna do that, you might be taking your
chances. but i have never lost out with my buddy near my booty.

a public service announcement brought to you by,
sus
ps deb bulla! aren't you *so* glad you have my recorder now? hee hee hee hee

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 10:42:35 -0500
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sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but.....


i just got official word-----


                i passed my written comps!!!!!!!!


orals are nov. 10th at 8:30 a.m.


rich benson
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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 10:49:28 -0400
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subject:      re: binghamton tonight.....( booting )
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on fri, 31 oct 1997, finelli, marie e wrote:
> i'm going to tonight's concert ( obviously ) and i want to boot it....
> how do i get
> it in past security? i also want to bring a camera, what would i do with
> that?

i put my camera down my pants to sneak it into the lilith fair...rather an
interesting sensation, let me tell ya.... but the wouldn't dare ask about
a suspicious lump in your crotch, now would they?  heh.
jill
and i've been told that if you put your recording equipment in a tampon
box, the (mostly male) security guards won't touch it... they might
actually be glad you don't show them the contents.  carry it in a
backpack, obviously.  although a bright pink playtex box in your hand will
certainly get you some attention, it might not be the kind you'd
appreciate.
sorry for so many uh, er, ahem, (oh you know what i mean) references to
female things in this post.

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 10:53:27 -0500
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hey fellow listees,

thanks to everyone who sent me song lists a while back, suggesting what i
should put on a tape for a friend who didn't know ig's music and was baffled
by my intense focus on them and their music.  notice that i speak in the past
tense!  i gave him his tape a week ago, and last night, he told me that he
has been listening to it non-stop, from car to work to car to house to....you
get the picture!  i'm thrilled, both that he loves their music and that he
now understands what it is that i love!

here is the list of what i included:

paul's introduction to the obsession

side a
ghost
the wood song (acoustic)
reunion
mystery
down by the river (live)
get out the map
watershed
strange fire
crazy game

side b
problem child (from levees that break in my heart)
left me a fool
galileo
fugitive
least complicated
love's recovery
three hits (live acoustic solo)
three hits (studio release)
prince of darkness
chickenman (live)

it's kind of a weird list, but i was trying to tell him something about
myself as well as about ig.  part of the fun of fandom for me is comparing
early versions of songs with studio releases, hence the two versions of three
hits. i love to hear the evolution of artistry.  my friend is a playwright
and he and i are currently working on a project together (opens tomorrow
night - please wish broken legs!), so the process of art is important to both
of us.

anyway, i am just so thrilled that a new door has been opened for him, that i
had to share it with you guys.  thanks for your input!  i'm now hard at work
on obsession ii, the follow-up, as well as providing him with lyric sheets
for the songs on obsession i!

peace and ig,

pam

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 08:41:38 -0800
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i know there is a group out there, similar to this group, but for melissa
etheridge.  does anyone have any information about how to sign up for
that?  i'd appreciate the help.  please e-mail me privately.

thanks in advance.

melissa anderson

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 11:47:20 -0500
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>  carry it in a backpack, obviously.

do they let  you take backpacks into most theatres?  i always thought that
would be more suspicious....

sharon

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 12:05:05 -0500
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i don't know too much about what cut it out means to amy personally, but if
it is about a breakup with a girlfriend, is dgtgag about the same breakup?
it's maybe not quite as emotional, but still seems kind of painful for her
to sing....
any ideas?

sharon

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 09:24:32 +0000
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subject:      watershed video

thanks for all the responses regarding the watershed video......i was
able to order it from cdnow......thanks for the info!!!

apparently san diego is backwoods (as if i didn't already know
that!)......i tried tower, wherehouse, blockbuster,  good guys, and just
about everywhere else in town.  it was a nightmare.  tower actually told
me twice that they had it and when i went to pick it up they said they
didn't have it and never did...............go figure.

thanks, again.

betsy

"what i won't give......
to have the things that mean the most
not to mean the things i miss --emily saliers

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 10:11:48 -0700
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on fri, 31 oct 1997, sb wrote:

> >  carry it in a backpack, obviously.
>
> do they let  you take backpacks into most theatres?  i always thought that
> would be more suspicious....
>
> sharon
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depends on the venue. when i was in seattle this summer, they allowed
backpacks, but checked them. in missoula, they allowed backpacks and never
checked at all.

amy m.

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on fri, 31 oct 1997, sb wrote:

> i don't know too much about what cut it out means to amy personally, but if
> it is about a breakup with a girlfriend, is dgtgag about the same breakup?
> it's maybe not quite as emotional, but still seems kind of painful for her
> to sing....
> any ideas?
>
> sharon
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> not sure where i found this out, but i believe dgtgag is indeed about
> the same breakup. i always thought it was as emotional, maybe just in a
> different way, since it's sort of a calmer song, for lack of a better
> word, there's not as much opportunity for amy to pound away on her
> guitar. but the emotion is there.

amy m.

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 10:20:37 +0000
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just wanted to relate an indigo moment i had yesterday -- an
acapella group was practicing up on cu boulder campus, doing
old jackson 5 tunes & stuff and i wasn't paying attention until they
broke
into galileo.  then me and about 30 other people stood up and
took notice!  and cheered when they were done, it was quite a
good performance.  i told them the girls would be proud.

i found tame yourself for $7 in a used cd pile.  i also found
bubbapalooza, with deacon lunchbox and other atlanta
artists -- i remember someone mentioning it.  i didn't pick it up,
but if someone wants me to get it for them, it was also $7.  i
don't know anything else about it, so don't bother to ask, but if
someone could fill me in that would be great.

also found live at the uptown & watershed videos, butler field
and some michelle malone.  always
check the local used cd shops first, they tend to have this stuff
whereas blockbuster and media play have never heard of it.

happy "i'm in love with your ghost" day!

elizabeth

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i'm gonna find what i need right
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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 09:29:20 -0800
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no school today so i'm cleaning my room...found an album flat: counting
crows - august and everything after. anyone want to trade for a boot or
the cost of shipping?
-sam (who hates the smell of goo-gone)

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hi all :-)

        i've read so many posts about amy "freaking out" during cio at a
concert recently. i wasn't at that concret and obviously missed something
very emotional. what exactly happened?

                                                 -heather

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 12:39:13 -0500
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subject:      re: amy freaking out

when you say 'amy freaked out' do y'all mean
she had a stress induced 'episode' right there on stage
or that she gave a really really intense performance ?
i just have a picture in my head of her stopping in the middle
of the song and writhing around on the floor while babbling incoherently.

oh but wait, that would be patti smith.
;)

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subject:      (nigc) follow me home/ulali

hey there,
i just wanted to pass along the buzz about a film called
"follow me home" by peter bratt (his first). it is really good !!
it's an independent film that couldn't get distribution (not a "broad enough"
audience...grrrr... ) they are hand carrying it around the country...

next stop atlanta (in nov.) see it if you can !

ulali is featured in the soundtrack, they do a song called 'mother'
which sounds like the one they did on the great woods ppv show
...also the old civil war tune that they do in "all my relations"
the soundtrack is great (and available on cd !)
its like a prayer.

later dudes !
claire

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> ulali is featured in the soundtrack, they do a song called 'mother'
> which sounds like the one they did on the great woods ppv show

they did "mother" at the hte concert in sc i went to.  it was a pretty good
song....if anyone knows the dates and places this movie will be showing, please
let me know.

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 13:40:28 -0400
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sorry to do this y'all, but darnit if i didn't misplace colleen's email
addy....

i just got the ig cd in the mail and wanted to say thank you thank you
thank you!

now, as with all the cd's that were stolen and replaced by my many friends,
each one will forever have special meaning when i listen to it....

thanks again!


joni  :o)

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in a message dated 97-10-31 13:17:56 est, you write:

<< > ulali is featured in the soundtrack, they do a song called 'mother'
> which sounds like the one they did on the great woods ppv show

they did "mother" at the hte concert in sc i went to.  it was a pretty good
song....if anyone knows the dates and places this movie will be showing,
please
let me know.  >>

hey there !
i just checked the cd credits and there is a website.

    http://www.new-millennia-films.com

click on 'screening room"  there are some dates and a number to
for booking and a bunch of interviews and other info :)
.... it's screening in olympia was quite an event,
the theater was packed.
:)
claire

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 13:43:03 -0500
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hey everyone,

i was just visiting the daemon site (seems fitting to be at a web address
that starts with "monsterbit" today!) to try to find out who the opening
act for the midwest dates is going to be...and i found the info!  the
opening act for dayton, chicago, minneapolis and madison is:

danielle howle!


happy halloween!

cheryl t.
cheryl@discover-net.net

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to who i owe tapes (you know who you are) im sorry this has been taking a
long time ive been sick and waiiting for one of my tapes to come back
which i finally got  this week itself has been hell starting with a freind
dying and me getting dumped the same day ( well semi dumped we realy
werent a item but thats another long story) its been hell so much to the
point that today is my birthday and i really dont feel like celebrating it
at all  i havent forgot you if u think i have drop me a line and remind me
ill try to get this all taken care of before thanksgiving once agian sorry
for the delay and happy samhain

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i was too excited to read through all the posts that just came in, but from
the headers i saw this hasn't been announced yet.  i was driving by the
palace theater and saw a big indigo girls in lights roll by on their
marquee.  there was almost an accident.  after rushing home, i called the
palace and the ticket lady told me no girls.  i said, "yes!!! the girls are
coming.  go read your announcements."  after 15 minutes on hold, i was told
it was announced today.  woo hoo!! woo hoo!! indigohio continues.
here's the scoop:

date of show: monday dec. 1  @ 7:30pm

on sale dates: to capa members nov. 6th
               to general public nov. 8th

tix are $27.50

capa's a nonprofit arts program type thing.  it's $40 minimum donation to
join.  number for info on either tix or membership is 614-469-0939.

it couldn't be a better day in columbus.  :-)
lisa


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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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subject:      re: binghamton tonight.....( booting )
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no backpacks allowed in winston salem - no big coats either....it was really
weird to me.

b

        sharonb @ geocities.com (sb)
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>  carry it in a backpack, obviously.

do they let  you take backpacks into most theatres?  i always thought that
would be more suspicious....

sharon

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hey all, sorry for the nigc, but i'm sure some people on the list might be
interested in knowing that bill berry has left rem.  it's sad, but official.
the other guys will continue working together.

check out

http://www.athensnewspapers.com/1997/103097/1030.a8qa.html

http://www.athensnewspapers.com/anet.html

lori
a striking teacher now in mourning

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subject:      c. aiken boots, pictures

hey gang,

i'm interested in boots that include caroline aiken's opening performance at
any of the recent ig shows.  did anyone happen to get that?  also pictures.
if so, please e-mail me privately.   aiken t-shirts, posters, or boots are
available for a trade.

even if you don't have a boot, but you want an aiken "live bait" t-shirt, let
me know. i'm sure we can work something out.  :-)

rebecca

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cheryl wrote:

> hey everyone,
>
> i was just visiting the daemon site (seems fitting to be at a web address
> that starts with "monsterbit" today!) to try to find out who the opening
> act for the midwest dates is going to be...and i found the info!  the
> opening act for dayton, chicago, minneapolis and madison is:
>
>  danielle howle!
>
> happy halloween!
>
> cheryl t.
> cheryl@discover-net.net

does anyone know yet if danielle howle will be the opening act for the
atlanta shows?

sharon

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>does anyone know yet if danielle howle will be the opening act for the
>atlanta shows?

she will be for at least the show on the 26th.

deb

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does anyone know who the opening act will be in st. louis on 11/22.
danielle howe is not scheduled according to the daemon web site.

my friends and i just got tickets today, they are nosebleed, but it's
better than nothing.  we're driving 15 hours from albuquerque, nm,
because we're afraid they won't make it out here before the australia
tour and we can't wait any longer!!!!

fare thee well,
cynthia

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i was excited about the midwest opening act and took it upon myself to
find out who danielle howle was (mind my ignorance).  the website where
you can listen to her talents is

http://monsterbit.com/daemon/daemonav.html  -  sorry i can't do a link.

anyway, i think she's great - and look forward to hearing her at the nov.
17th show.

eve.


>

>hey everyone,

>

>i was just visiting the daemon site (seems fitting to be at a web
address

>that starts with "monsterbit" today!) to try to find out who the
opening

>act for the midwest dates is going to be...and i found the info!  the

>opening act for dayton, chicago, minneapolis and madison is:

>

> danielle howle!

>

>

>happy halloween!

>

>cheryl t.

>cheryl@discover-net.net

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i wrote this email to daemon:

>i was wondering if viva la diva plans to release a
>new album anytime soon.  also, what is chris mcguire
>up to since mary fortune express slit up? (i ordered
>both ejs albums from daemon, and they're great!).

and they wrote back:

hey,

>viva la diva will be coming out with a new cd
>probably in the next month. we'll carry it and send
>out e-mails as soon as it gets here.

>chris has been playing out solo some.  last i saw
>her, she had bought keyboards etc and was doing the
>prodigy kind of thing.  i haven't heard it though
but >i'm sure it's good.  she is very gifted.

>thanks for the support,
>andrea
>daemon records

wow, so i'm guessing vld and daemon are still working
together.  what do you think she meant by the
"prodigy kind of thing"?  anyway, just thought i'd
share.

jeremy

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hey all.
due to tragedy in my friend's family,
i may have 1 ticket (next to me)
for tomorrow's utica, ny show.
late notice...i know.
i'm even willing to give it away.
i just don't want an open seat there.
it's balcony...row k maybe.
i'm at work now...i'll have to check when i get home.
i live in nj so you'll have to be fairly close
or meet me on the way or at the show.
(too late to mail)
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sorry.
i think i forgot to say balcony (not floor).:)

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in a message dated 97-10-31 00:16:58 est, dreiser@wi.net writes:

<< tue02dec / louisville, ky / palace theatre / on sale tba >>

yay yay yay

does anybody know when i can get tickets?

thanks and sorry for screaming

bonnie

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yes, i have that information. please see the information below to subscribe.
cool list. very worthwhile for helping find mle stuff.

michelle

in a message dated 97-10-31 12:46:19 est, anderson@biostat.washington.edu (m.
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so sorry, i hit ctrl enter instead of ctrl v, please forgive. here ya go.

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hi all,
        does anyone know where i can get tickets for the orlando show on
the 29th of nov? i've heard that ticketmaster doesn't know anything about
them.

                                                        -heather

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hello to all....


im glad to be in touch with so many others in this ig worshiping world.  i do
need some help,  i dont  have any boots to speak of,  (i know its terrible)
, i do have something to trade though.  i have the shades of indigo cd, and
will gladly trade a tape of it for a boot tape, im not gonna be picky about
what concert it is, as long as its got the girls on it. i really want to get
a collection going.  im feeling inadequet as a true indigo fan with out one.
  so anyone who can help please, please email me.
thanks ya'll  !!
amy s.

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this is a joke, right????


rem.....break up?.....this is worse than ig parting ways...

oh my god, i am totally devasted, like part of my heart has been ripped out
and stomped on.

...the saddest dusk i've ever seen...

mike r.

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new york -- certain songwriters demand of a performer nothing less than
a go-for-broke immersion in the composer's private emotional world. and
laura nyro, whose music was celebrated in a three-and-a-half-hour
memorial concert at the beacon theater on monday evening, would have to
lead the list. ms. nyro, who died of ovarian cancer this year at 49,
virtually invented a ripped-from-the-soul, stream-of-conscious streetwise
style that has inspired countless songwriters, from rickie lee jones to
suzanne vega to tori amos.


many of ms. nyro's friends, admirers and acolytes gathered at the beacon
for an event that often felt more like a tribal gathering honoring an
earth mother goddess than a pop concert. in her introduction to a booklet
of ms. nyro's later lyrics distributed at the theater, ms. nyro's
companion, maria antonia desiderio, described the event as a "ritual of
love to a soul who touched lightly, saw a continuum of colors in every
moment and knew the value of moving from innocence to innocence."


those sentiments may sound flowery, but they evoke the hot-blooded
hippie giddiness that suffused ms. nyro's free-form, piano-based
compositions, which crashed through the formal and stylistic barriers of
modern songwriting. as one singer after another performed her work, much
of it obscure to all but a cult of cognoscenti, it became clear just how
revolutionary a figure she remains.


though her songs are grounded in the wail of gospel and soul, they
dipped freely into folk music and jazz, while early ballads like "i never
meant to hurt you," which was beautifully sung on monday by jane siberry,
had the arc of mournful broadway torch songs. at once ecstatically
pantheistic and anguished, ms. nyro expressed a womanly pain with the
piercing, unguarded urgency of an adolescent. many of her later songs
were more serene in their distillation of a mystical feminist point of
view.


of all the performers who figuratively knelt at ms. nyro's altar on
monday, ms. jones is arguably the most talented and deeply indebted to
her. appearing in a baggy gray suit and beret, her blond hair streaming
below her shoulders, the singer looked every inch the eccentric bohemian
genius. and her versions of the songs "you don't love me when i cry" (in
which she clutched an imaginary child) and "been on a train" (a harrowing
evocation of heroin addiction) were more than just refined
interpretations; they were wrenching eviscerations that seemed channeled
directly from the source.


the evening's best performances aspired to a similar intuitive
connection between the singer and composer. sandra bernhard transcended
her smart-aleck high-school-girl persona with an electrifying performance
of "lonely women" that incorporated incisive edith piaf-like hand
gestures. phoebe snow applied her funky fire-siren exuberance to "time
and love" and "wedding bell blues." kenny rankin, accompanying himself on
guitar, offered a wistful, exquisitely phrased "billy's blues." desmond
child and rouge, a talented late-'70s pop quartet, reunited to sing ms.
nyro's tumultuous, sprawling 1970 state-of-the world reflection,
"christmas in my soul."


patti labelle, who was featured on ms. nyro's 1971 doo-wop tribute
album, "gonna take a miracle," performed a lovely late nyro composition,
"angel in the dark," that ms. nyro herself was shown discussing in a home
movie made shortly before her death. ms. labelle led the jubilant grand
finale of an all-star "stoned soul picnic."


punctuating the performances, which used an eight-piece band, harp, and
backup vocal trio, were reminiscences by relatives and friends, including
ms. nyro's younger brother, jan nigro, the arranger jimmie haskell and
whoopi goldberg in a short filmed tribute.


lately it is been suggested that the notion of new york as a melting pot
has been oversold, and that the city's culture is really a bunch of
parallel worlds that don't readily mesh. but ms. nyro's music belies that
assumption. wildly idiosyncratic and feverishly impassioned, it pieced
together as rich and personal an urban mosaic as any american pop music
has produced.


copyright 1997 the new york times company

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well, my mail is a bit of a mess (getting digests from last friday,
yesterday, this morning... all at the same time) so perhaps this has
already hit the list, but if not.... new date showed up on ticketmaster:

dec 13, 1997   mammoth events center   denver   co

no on-sale info yet.

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 19:03:41 -0600
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can someone please tell me where i need to go or call, etc. to get omaha
tics?  i think deb said they go on sale tommorrow, sat.,  but i didn't see
where.  thanks in advance!

--kelly s

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 20:31:46 -0500
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cheryl wrote:
>
> hey everyone,
>
  the
> opening act for dayton, chicago, minneapolis and madison is:
>
>  danielle howle!


  - yahooo!!!!!  awesome!!!

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 17:09:41 -0600
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        the news *i* read is that they are not breaking up at all.  just that bill
berry (drummer) doesn't want to be a part of it anymore.

        this is the story in my newspaper this am (typos are probably mine):
***
rem, arguably the most acclaimed american rock group to emerge from the
80s, disclosed thursday that drummer bill berry has left the band.  the
remaining members said they will continue as a trio.
        berry, who had a brain aneurysm in 1995 but has since toured and recorded
with the band, said his decision is based on personal, not medical reasons.
        "physically my brain is in great shape," he said in an interview thursday
from the band's headquarters in athens, ga. :my motor functions are fine,
but i think coming through the whole ordeal...coming pretty close to death,
may have affected my priorities.
        "when we got together (to prepare for the next album) in hawaii in april,
i didn't feel like i was all there.  i felt like i was on another page or
something... like my fire wasn't burning as brightly as the other guys."
        but berry didn't act on his feelings until the group met again in athens
three weeks ago to resume pre-production on the album.
        "i said, 'guys, i;m really not into this the way i used to be and i'd
rather not do it... but if it means the band is going to break up i can
certainly go on indefinitely'."
        berry, 39, said he was hugely relieved when the band said it would
continue.  "it made me the happiest guy in the world because i didn't want
to be the schmuck who broke rem up."

***

for the record... i hate my newspaper here.  horrid writing imo. don't you
agree, clair? anyhow, it looks to me like rem just lost an important
member, but is not done.  i wish bill berry the best.


tracy
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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 17:49:38 -0800
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hi,

i was wondering if anyone had an extra copy of the sept. issue with ig.
a friend really wants a copy of this.

there's one more thing i've been looking for. does anyone have a list of
all of igs past television appearances with dates and stuff? maybe
somewhere on the web?


now you couldn't tear me away,
leticia
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damn computer....

    just talked to my  non-friendly ticketbastard agent.... tickets go on sale
at 12pm..... assigned seating.... don't know the cost.... save me two good
seats, will ya?!!
    hope this helps.....
    let me know about the caravan from tampa....

    catt.

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on the off chance somebody has an extra ticket...

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 22:20:35 -0500
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subject:      re: viva la diva and chris m (nigc)

in a message dated 97-10-31 18:08:35 est, jeremy writes:

<< what do you think she meant by the
"prodigy kind of thing"?  anyway, just thought i'd
share. >>

chris is the firestarter ?
she is the firestarter !
i am the firestarter !
chris is the firestarter !!!!!

ahem.... sorry.
:)

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i can't believe they're playing the fox...i used to live in st louis and boy
do i miss it...the fox is a beautiful venue...have fun, st louis area
listees, i'm jealous...

rachel

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just wondering if anyone has had a situation where they have been
involuntarily unsubscribed from the list.  i did not check my mail for
a couple of days this week, and then checked it wedesday night.  my
mailbox had filled up and 4 messages could not be delivered.  i am
assuming that some of those were ig digests, since the last ig
digest i received was around 2:00 a.m. on the 29th (early wed morning).
i cleaned my mailbox out, but have received no ig mail since that
time.  i am accustomed to occasional list burps where i don't receive
ig mail for a day or so, but thought to be on the safe side this
particular time, i would resubscribe (even though i have never
unsubscribed).  i got a new message that requires me to confirm that
my e-mail addy does reach me (like what the epic mailing list requires).
then i got a message in response to my "set indigo-girls digest"
message.  it said i was not subscribed to the ig list!!!!
has this kind of thing happened to anyone else?

stewing in tennessee...

joan :-[

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date:         fri, 31 oct 1997 19:53:53 pst
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does anybody have a boot of the colby show last april? i know i posted
about it last spring, and i  remember someone (michael richards
maybe???) saying that they had a partial boot of the show. if anybody
has this tape, i'd be interested in working out a trade.

thanks-
becca

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