lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-11d

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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 00:14:41 -0500
reply-to: ndygotiggr@aol.com
sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from: j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject: interstate 10 ig listers

it's been brought to my attention that i made an error!!!! <gasp!>

i've been "reminded" <grin> that interstate 10 does in fact go all the way
into the great state of texas!!!! (i shoulda known that!!! i was only born
in fw!) therefore:

attention all listers in the general vicinity of interstate 10!!! :)

if you wanna be an i-10iglister, email me! :) we can be cooler than the
baigls, all we have to do is gather! :)

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
- president, grlchasr26 fan club
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and tigger, who had been hiding behind trees and jumping
out on pooh's shadow when it wasn't looking, said that
tiggers were only bouncy before breakfast, and that as soon
as they had had a few haycorns they became quiet and refined.
********************************************************************

hey folks,

recently there've been a few people asking about accessing the list
archives. i've been busy studying but i've finally got myself
together enough to write up some instructions...

all messages sent to the list are added to the list archive. the
archives go right back to the time jude started this version of the
list in may 1995 (previously the list was run by stephen spencer at
ohio state university), and can be accessed by anyone provided you
know how to do so.

method 1: the "index" and "get" commands
the archive files are organised by week. to get a list of all the
files, send this command to listserv@netspace.org:
index indigo-girls

you'll get back a list of files. each entry will look something
like this:
indigo-girls log9505b log own v 73 25 95/05/13 18:44:48

the two fields to pay attention to are the field second from the
left ("log9505b") and the date, which is on the right. the file
listed above is actually the archive for the first ever week of the
list - mid-may 1995. to order an archive file from the list server,
send this command to listserv@netspace.org:
 get indigo-girls <filename>
eg. for the above file, the command would be:
 get indigo-girls log9505b

notes: some of the files are *huge* - megabytes in size.  be warned.
your mail server might have a grouch attack if you try to order some
of the larger files.  you can get a general indication of the file
size from the two numbers to the left of the date.  the bigger the
numbers, the bigger the file.  this method is best if you're mainly
interested in reading *all* posts from a given time period.
otherwise you're probably better off trying your luck with the
second method...

method 2: the "search" command

i haven't played around with this command too much but it seems
much more powerful than the "index/get" method. it allows you
to search for individual keywords and then order individual
archived posts. so, provided you know what you're looking for,
this is a pretty good way to go.

to search the list archive, send this command to
listserv@netspace.org:
search indigo-girls <word1> <word2>
eg. to search the archive for all messages containing the word
"zebra", the command would be:
search indigo-girls zebra

if you actually issue this command, you get back this:

=====
> search indigo-girls zebra
-> 3 matches.

item #   date   time  recs   subject
------   ----   ----  ----   -------
006460 96/01/25 13:38  127   nigc whatsoever; but oh so funny!!
018624 96/11/17 11:32   47   nigc: ani is a goddess
029141 97/06/12 07:39   44   angering morning radio (igc)

to order a copy of these postings, send the following command:

getpost indigo-girls 6460 18624 29141
====

search listname word1 <word2 <...>> search list archives
 or: word1 <word2 <...>> in listname
 from date1 -> from this date
 today -> from today
 today-7 -> in the last 7 days
 to date2 -> to this date
 where
 subject contains xxxx -> only this subject
 and/or
 sender contains xxxx -> only this author
 complex boolean operations are
 supported, see database guide
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and i will write this down and then i will not be alone again,
yeah, i was out here listening, oh yeah i was out here listening;
oh yeah i am out here listening all the time." - dar williams

hey folks,

recently there've been a few people asking about accessing the list
archives. i've been busy studying but i've finally got myself
together enough to write up some instructions...

method 1: the "index" and "get" commands
the archive files are organised by week. to get a list of all the
files, send this command to listserv@netspace.org:
index indigo-girls

you'll get back a list of files. each entry will look something
like this:
indigo-girls log9505b log own v 73 25 95/05/13 18:44:48

method 2: the "search" command

the list server will send back a list of all files that contain
your keyword(s), along with a short preview of each message.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and i will write this down and then i will not be alone again,
yeah, i was out here listening, oh yeah i was out here listening;
oh yeah i am out here listening all the time." - dar williams

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 01:12:19 -0500
reply-to: carol ann <cpetrice@online.emich.edu>
sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from: carol ann <cpetrice@online.emich.edu>
subject: re: we need a group like them baigls!
x-to: heather a <heathera@coil.com>
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hey, can i be an indogohio? i go to school in michigan, but i was born in
cleveland, and lived there 'til august when i started school.
i'm still registered to vote in ohio and all that. besides...jill will
kick your butt if you don't let me (won't ya jilly?)
carol

ps--sorry, my last post said jay a crane for the name--i forgot to change
that on my friends computer e-mail options.

----------

> count heather and daughter nicole in to the indigohio group! i love all
of the listers i have met so far...not a one to dislike...isn't that
wonderful! twink, barb, don, peggy, deidre, lisa s., lisa t., jill, kirby,
stephanie, randy, cathy and cathy(sp) ....anna, lori (of course she is the
reason i am an indigohio person in the first place)....and i am sure there
are others but i am blanking... i totally enjoyed our list get together and
impromptu art class in dayton before the show, and our unwinding party
after the show. you guys are the best! go indigohio!!!!
>
>
i agree with jill's idea--let's give those damn baigles a run for their
>
> >> money! i just wanted to clarify, though, that indigohio is don
richards'
>
> >> trademark phrase. i borrowed (read stole) it 'cause it was soooo good.
i
>
> >> think it would be a fab group name. ya' haven't trademarked it yet,
have
>
> >> ya' don?
>
> >
>
> > - ha ha, no, ... i believe it's still in the public domain :)
>
> heathera
>
>
> "shut up!" "no you shut up!" "no you shut up!" -dharma and greg
>
> http://www.coil.com/~heathera/dharma/dharma.htm
>
> <color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>page me:</color>
> http://wwp.mirabilis.com/207391 - we'll talk indigo
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
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<html><head></head><body bgcolor=3d"#ffffff">hey, can i be an indogohio? i go =
to school in michigan, but i was born in cleveland, and lived there 'til =
august when i started school. i'm still registered to vote in ohio =
and all that. besides...jill will kick your butt if you don't let =
me (won't ya jilly?) carol ps--sorry, my last post said jay a =
crane for the name--i forgot to change that on my friends computer =
e-mail options. ---------- > count heather and daughter =
nicole in to the indigohio group! i love all of the listers i have met =
so far...not a one to dislike...isn't that wonderful! twink, barb, don, =
peggy, deidre, lisa s., lisa t., jill, kirby, stephanie, randy, cathy =
and cathy(sp) ....anna, lori (of course she is the reason i am an =
indigohio person in the first place)....and i am sure there are others =
but i am blanking... i totally enjoyed our list get together and =
impromptu art class in dayton before the show, and our unwinding party =
after the show. you guys are the best! go indigohio!!!! > > =
 i agree with jill's idea--let's give those damn baigles a run for =
their > > >> money! i just wanted to clarify, though, =
that indigohio is don richards' > > >> trademark =
phrase. i borrowed (read stole) it 'cause it was soooo good. i > =
 > >> think it would be a fab group name. ya' haven't =
trademarked it yet, have > > >> ya' don? > =
 > > > > > - ha ha, no, ... i believe =
it's still in the public domain :) > > heathera > =
 > > "shut up!" "no you shut up!" =
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me:</color> > http://wwp.mirabilis.com/207391 - we'll talk indigo > > -- > =
administrative requests should not be sent to the list! > all =
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list faq: > http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
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aaaargh.  sorry about that, folks.  i just installed this new
version of eudora, and it's messing me about.  i wasn't ready
to send the message even once, let alone twice.  i hate how
all the latest programs assume they know what you want to do
and try to take over...

anyway. sorry again. here is the *real* end to my previous
messages:

method 2: the "search" command

the list server will send back a list of all files that contain
your keyword(s), along with a short preview of each message.
for the zebra example, you get back this:

> search indigo-girls zebra
-> 3 matches.

to order a copy of these postings, send the following command:

getpost indigo-girls 6460 18624 29141

... followed by the preview, which i've snipped. pretty good,
huh? it even tells you the command to order the posts from
the server!

this is the basic search command. there are a few variants,
for example:
search indigo-girls <keyword> from date1 to date2

notes: dates should be in the format yy/mm/dd. don't search
for obvious keywords like "amy" or "emily", you'll be swamped.
you can narrow the search down by entering multiple keywords.
you can get a little more information on the "search" command by
sending this command to listserv@netspace.org:
info refcard

okay, i think that's it. sorry again about the two aborted
messages. stupid eudora...

:)
sherlyn

=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and i will write this down and then i will not be alone again,
yeah, i was out here listening, oh yeah i was out here listening;
oh yeah i am out here listening all the time." - dar williams

--
administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 01:34:51 -0500
reply-to: indigo girls rule <klrosenb@wittenberg.edu>
sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from: indigo girls rule <klrosenb@wittenberg.edu>
subject: indigohio
in-reply-to: <19971122050116z81432-11315+1@brimstone.netspace.org>
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count me in also! i had a blast at the dayton show, and i'm sure columbus
will be just as awesome! who else is going on the 1st? okay, later!
:-) karen

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"if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
--indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
--indigo girls (amy)

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu
http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/~klrosenb/

east asian studies political science
major minor
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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 03:38:14 -0600
reply-to: stewart <kstewart@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from: stewart <kstewart@eagle.cc.ukans.edu>
subject: re: st. louis list meet
x-to: toye gillman <tgillman@ruralcom.net>
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i don't know what i'll be wearing either, but i have shoulder-length brown
hair, probably be wearing it up. but if you see a girl with an eyebrow
ring with a friend with a nose piercing, that would be me and my bud joni.
freaks we are!

see you so very soon, ya!

kelly s

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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 06:12:17 -0500
reply-to: karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from: karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
subject: re: [fwd: chip nerd fun] nigc
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okay diane..that was great!!, here i am at 6:11 am aching from gripping
the club so hard yesterday and you really cracked me up..thanks for the
cheap fun : )

love, peace and all things indigo,

karen
dianne connell wrote:

> on fri, 21 nov 1997 17:54:08 -0500 "karen l. frey"
> <karenfrey@redrose.net> writes:
>
> >>>>>hi,we all know those cute little computer symbols called
> >>"emoticons,"
> >>>>>where :) means a smile and :( is a frown. sometimes these are
>
> >>>>>represented by :-) and :-( respectively. well, how about some
> >"ass
> >>>>>cons"?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> here goes:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> (_!_) a regular ass
>
> hey! ya forgot one!
>
> (_e=mc�_) a smart ass
>
> dianne
>
> i don't set people straight. they're just born that way.
>
> charter member -- ssim yknib naf bulc
> tuesdays_child@juno.com tuesdayschild@pc-webonics.com
> icq uin# 3870594
>
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> http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 06:20:45 -0500
reply-to: karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from: karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
subject: re: fargo, nd show (help!)
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jen,

darn, i wish my daughter was an ig fan!!

hugs, karen

jen olson wrote:

> hey y'all (again)  :-)
> i really, really want to go to the fargo show, but i need to work out
> some
> stuff first (like...transportation, since it's a 5 hour drive...) :p
>  anyway...i'm just wondering if it would be better to get tix online
> or
> through an outlet or by phone...and if anybody knows anything about
> the
> venue?  email me with any info.  i think i'd need 3-4 tix.  in case i
> end up
> going with my mom, again.  grrr. (these things happen when you're
> 16...) :p
> thanks again, guys.
> ~jen
>
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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 06:22:53 -0500
reply-to: karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from: karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
subject: re: interstate 10 ig listers
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does interstate 81 intersect i10 anywhere?

when god made me a a yankee he was teasin (or something to that effect)

karen :)

j tigger kickliter wrote:

> it's been brought to my attention that i made an error!!!! <gasp!>
>
> i've been "reminded" <grin> that interstate 10 does in fact go all the
> way
> into the great state of texas!!!! (i shoulda known that!!! i was
> only born
> in fw!) therefore:
>
> attention all listers in the general vicinity of interstate 10!!! :)
>
> if you wanna be an i-10iglister, email me! :) we can be cooler than
> the
> baigls, all we have to do is gather! :)
>
> peace, harmony and indigo,
>
> tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
> - novitiate of suzanneglassism
> - president, grlchasr26 fan club
> ********************************************************************
> and tigger, who had been hiding behind trees and jumping
> out on pooh's shadow when it wasn't looking, said that
> tiggers were only bouncy before breakfast, and that as soon
> as they had had a few haycorns they became quiet and refined.
> ********************************************************************
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

hi all
sorry that this isn't technically ig related but i think its a great idea.
sending and receiving 20 xmas/channuka (sp?) cards to/from listmembers! we
are doing it on the rem list. i am unfortunately swamped with stuff at the
moment, but if anyone wants to organize it i think it would be fun!
lori

>hello!
>       it's time again for the holiday card exchange.  this is a great way to
>send actual "snail"mail to the others on the lists, and everyone seems to
>enjoy it.  we've been doing this for the past 2 or 3 years, but of course,
>some of you aren't familiar with it.  so, here's a quick explanation.  please
>remember that everyone is welcome to participate, you don't have to be a
>regular poster on the list, either.  this is basically just a general
>holiday/new year's card exchange.  you can chose to send any type of card and
>write any sort of message that you would like.  some people last year did a
>great job with the creative cards!  i organized this last year and things
>went really well, so we'll stick with the same format.
>        all five r.e.m. lists are participating.  those who are interested
>will be sending their names and post office mailing addresses, along with
>which r.e.m. lists you are on, to me (marla) by private email (please don't
>post it to the list!).
>       after i've received the names of all who are interested in
>participating, i will divide names into groups. there will be people from all
>the r.e.m.mailing lists mixed together, but i'll try to note which mailing
>lists people are on.  there will be no more than 20 people to an card
>exchange list due to the cost of postage.  also, those who are oversees will
>probably have a separate list due to costs of oversees postage. i will then
>send each person a list of names and addresses.  you will be sending cards to
>the 20 or so people on your list.
>
>in order to make sure everyone gets the names and addresses in plenty of
>time, i ask that you email me before dec.2 if you are interested.  that way i
>can make sure everyone gets the lists by dec. 6 or 7.  i'm trying to do this
>in time for those who are in college and will be without a computer during
>the holiday break.
>
>i hope this explanation makes sense, but if anyone has any questions, please
>feel free to email me. i will be away from my computer over thanksgiving, so
>if you don't hear from me for a day or so, don't worry :)
>
>

my final post before i sign off forever and ever and ever~

duct tape, i have to agree, is almost god-like.  it happens to be on my
decomposing all-purpose carrier bag, on my violin case...  not on my violin,
though.  i'd have to echo marivel:  i've never been allowed to stick neat
stuff on my violin...  except for when i was itsy-bitsy and had my name
plastered on the side.  but that wasn't really that neat.  and anyway, i'm
not sure i'd want to.

and a great breaking string story...  tuesday i was wood shedding through
that horrible yet wonderful bruch concerto and pop into my face flies my g
string...  the thickest one, so kinda painful...  and during my break i
called my friend and ended up saying something to the extent of "eugene, i
busted my g string!!!"  that was a fun one...

well that's all (for a while, at least ;)
*polly

*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
indigo my difranco, you large cedez!!!
woo-woo little rock central debate!!!  fiat the world!!!
"life is pain.  anyone who tells you differently is selling something."  tpb
...new ones you'll greet, worse food you'll never find!  so sound the call to
dear old interlochen... yer mom!
"eccentric?  try a taco short of a combo!!!"  ilty
coccus, baccilus, spirilis...  science does not equal spelling!
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
11/20/97 -- 7:05 ct

6:32am - i rise from a deep sweaty sleep thinking, "the only ones who would
understand are the listers."

i just had the most fabulous dream!!!

i was going to see the indigo girls at the fenix underground in my home town
(only it was different, more like doc maynerds).  i got there early by
accident somehow and was going to meet my brother and a friend there later.
i was supposed to save seats.  when i got to the door there was a cover
which i hadn't thought about (i'm notorious for never having any cash).  i
asked how much and the bouncer said five bucks.  i dug around in my pockets
and came up with a dollar which i handed over and he took without looking at.
so i got in and there were very few people there but each table had a piece
of clothing indicating that it was taken.  so i was scoping around looking
for a table and found one that had just been cleared so i nabbed it.
immediatly a group of girls ran up and tried to sit down too. i said, "no
they're mine"  about the two seats next to me, it must have been rather
forecefully  because they looked at me strange.  anyway so i started talking
to them and gave them the extra seats because i somehow knew that my friends
wouldn't come (losers).  so i'm talking to one of the girls when the girls
come out.  (its getting fuzzy here, i'm typing as fast as i can)  i think
that they played a few songs then emily wandered out and came over to talk to
us.   somehow, i think she was looking in her wallet, i managed to pick a $50
bill.  i jokingly said to her "can you sign this for me?"  she looked at it
and was amazed that i would want to "ruin" :) such a big amount of money.
then i said, "i was just kidding, it's actually yours" and tried to give it
back.  (actually i thought i had but apparently not: read on)  then emily had
to go back to the stage.  the place was starting to fill up.  i was walking
around grinning when i listened to what they were playing.  "take back my
(something), take back my dollar..." (i can still hear the imaginary tune) it
was some imaginary well known joke song which i recognized and realized that
emily was singing for me because apparently i still had her $50.  so i stood
on my chair and waved aournd the bill, grinning because i was having a
connection with the indigo girls!  so emily waves me up to the stage takes
the bill and turns me around to sign it on my back (me weakly protesting).
everyone is cheering, and when i turn around amy takes the bill from emily,
bends me over backward and signs it on my neck.  you can imagine how everyone
is cheering now.  somehow now a chair appeared and she was sitting on it with
me kinda in her lap still somewhat bent over.  she whispered to me something
about what would my boyfriend think, to which i thought, "damn, i guess they
can tell"  i could feel the envy from the crowd surround me like a warm fuzzy
fleece blanket.  i think we were waiting at this point for e to get finished
touring the room signing everyone else's dollar bills.  amy was still holding
me, so i started ape-ing for the crowd.  she said, mock amazed, "is she
making faces?!"  and wrestled me a bit, everyone laughed.  then i curled up
against her and pretended to go to sleep, everyone laughed.  then emily was
done and amy looked a little uncomfortable wondering how to get gracefully
out of this embrace.  i stood up and said easily, "you can go on back to the
stage if you need to."  she looked grateful and they resumed the show.  i was
elated and giddy.  i walked over to the girls i had met before, thinking as i
went, "now *i* have something great to write the list about!"  by the time i
got to the people i knew, i was waking, obviously in order to be able to
remember this great experience, and i was thinking "well, it's pretty darn
good even if it didn't really happen: i'll just drag my sleepy butt outta bed
and post!"  thanks for listening.  don't you just love dreams?

anne

<< 1/21, 1/22 - seattle
1/23 - seattle or portland
1/24 - portland
1/25 - portland or eugene
1/26 - eugene
>>

anyone from seattle for a road trip?

hey y'all. heard this on the radio this morning and got the story from
reuters. very sad. he will be missed.

- jendy

saturday november 22 9:33 am est

inxs star michael hutchence found dead

by philippe naughton

sydney, australia (reuters) - australia's most successful rock singer,
michael hutchence was
found dead in a luxury sydney hotel saturday.

local media said the 37-year-old lead singer of inxs, had hanged himself
with his own belt.

the death of hutchence, who combined hard-driving rock with a hard-living
rock star lifestlyle, sent
shockwaves through the music industry. his lover, british television
presenter paula yates, the
mother of his young daughter, was said to be devastated after hearing the
news at the couple's
london home.

"what can i say? i've lost my loving son," kel hutchence, the singer's
father, told the sun-herald
newspaper.

australian prime minister john howard added: "he was, from the australian
and world rock scene,
one of our most talented performers. it really is a most tragic event."

police would not confirm hutchence's death, except to say that the body of a
37-year-old australian
man who had lived in england "for some time" had been found in a fifth-floor
room at the exclusive
ritz carlton hotel in the suburb of double bay.

police also said a leather belt had been taken away for examination, but
there were no suspicious
circumstances.

they said a post-mortem would be held monday, and it would be up to the
coroner to disclose the
dead man's identity.

the singer's apparent suicide took friends and acquaintances by surprise.
with 15-month-old
daughter heavenly hiraani tiger lily and yates, a woman he called his
"soulmate," hutchence had
seemed to be enjoying life as never before.

australian television showed footage of hutchence rehearsing with his band
friday. a ritz carlton
employee interviewed on television said hutchence had appeared in good
spirits on the night before
his death as he dined with his parents at the hotel restaurant.

"it really has shocked everyone," said molly meldrum, australia's foremost
music pundit and a
friend of hutchence.

meldrum said he had seen the singer a few weeks ago and mentioned to him
that he had never seen
him so happy or relaxed. "he said to me, 'i've never been more relaxed or
happier any time in my
life," meldrum said.

"i can't believe it," said singer kylie minogue, one of hutchence's former
girlfriends.

police inspector christopher hogg told reporters that police were called to
the hotel at 12.30 p.m.
(0130 gmt), half an hour after a man's body had been found by a hotel employee.

"detectives have taken into possession a leather belt for scientific
examination. it would appear there
are no suspicious circumstances," he said.

initial media reports saturday suggested that hutchence could have been the
victim of a drugs
overdose, but police said only prescription medications had been found in
his hotel room.

hutchence's dark good looks and powerful stage presence -- he had the
exuberance of mick jagger
combined with the brooding quality of the doors' jim morrison -- had made
him one of the world's
most enduring pop stars.

after helping to create the modern rock sound with hits such as "suicide
blonde" and "new
sensation," hutchence and inxs (pronounced in excess) found themselves
sidelined in recent
years while younger bands seized the initiative. but the band had
nevertheless sold around 20 million
albums.

inxs and hutchence were to begin a tour of australia to celebrate the 20th
anniversary of the
group's creation. the band started playing the pub circuit in 1977 as "the
farriss brothers" and
adopted the name inxs two years later.

the band's latest album was called "elegantly wasted."

hutchence, who helped create the modern rock sound, was australia's most
famous rocker.

he was also a renowned party animal, a favorite of the gossip columnists as
well as the rock critics.

hutchence's lover yates heard the news at the couple's chelsea home and was
expected to fly to
sydney in the next few days. hutchence said last month that the couple had
been planning to marry.

"paula heard this devastating news through a friend and myself a short while
ago. i would ask that
she be left alone with her three children and friends to enable her to
absorb and cope with what has
happened," anthony burton, a spokesman for yates, said.

yates, 37, has three other children from her marriage to live aid organiser
and irish rock singer
bob geldof. the pair went through an acrimonious divorce in 1995 shortly
after yates started her
relationship with hutchence.

"we can give no explanation for michael's death. if we have anything further
to say about it we will
tell you," burton said.

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"i don't want what's best for you. where would i be when you found it?"
-emily saliers

hey-
been a lonnnnnggg time since i have posted, so hello everyone! but
amyray..........
add me to the i-10 list:) texas here...wooohooo ....thanks tigg**

hey what do y'all think about the christmas card idea???? just wondering

aereas333
now an official member of the grlchaser26 fan club:):):)

it has been brought to my attention that *someone* on this list, i'm not
mentioning any names but she seems to be one of those small round breadish
wannabe-doughnut type people up there in the far north where they think
they're still colonials or something..........

doesn't believe that the southerners can pull this off.

did ya hear that? a yankee says the southerners can't do something.

i think we can do this, and i charge everyone from atlanta south and all the
way over to the texas panhandle to prove it!   being as how it was my idea,
and my prerogative, i'm widening the boundaries.  from georgia south, and
from texas east.  we can do this y'all!!!!!!!

can i get a witness?

peace, harmony, and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
   ~president, grlchasr26 fan club
***********************************************************************
"and oh, the dissatisfied, with the satisfied
everybody loves a melodrama and the scandal of a lie.
still you held your arms open for the prodigal daughter.
i see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes,
still water."
   ~ emily saliers
***********************************************************************

hey y'all....
sorry about the nigc - i'm looking for help from all you songwriters out
there.  i'm writing a massive paper which is due in a couple of weeks on
female songwriters, as a thesis for my major.  i was recently accepted
into an experimental degree program at the university of alabama, and i am
writing this paper to help prove the validity of women in music as a field
of study.  if this paper goes over well, i could graduate with that
degree! :)  anyway, if you are a woman and a songwriter....oops...i forgot
to say woman earlier....well.....  if you are a woman or you'd like to
pretend you are....i'd love to hear from you.  i'm looking for any advice
that you would give to other songwriters, or descriptions of different
songwriting processes.  if you'd like me to send you more information, i'd
be happy to.  i can me emailed at this address, or at s_harney@hotmail.com
anything y'all can offer would be tremendously helpful!  thanks!!!!

sue

(sorry 'bout the nigc again) :)

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have you visited lately? the site has grown immensely in recent weeks and
now sports separate sections for sounds, images, chords and lyrics,
discography, tours and news, community, recommendations, obsession, and
activism, in addition to your basic "about the indigo girls" and "about
the list." and don't forget about kind friends, the annotated listing of
indigo-girls@netspace.org members websites which is where the whole thing
began.

color me indigo is designed to be a central resource for anything indigo
girls- or indigo-girls@netspace.org- related on the web.  in order to
maintain this standard of excellence as the web grows, color me indigo
has gone polythestic, acquiring web goddesses for individual sections.
the goddess of "kind friends" is your own jasmine ma, and anna creech and
mandi martin are in the process of taking over the "chords and lyrics" and
"activism" sections, respectively.  i'm still looking for a few more
goddesses...would you like to join us?   (men are welcome, but the
official position title will remain "goddess."  there are enough people
who claim to be gods.)  what follows is the official call for goddesses
which was placed on the site on november 22nd....email me with any questions:

color me indigo is looking for new section goddesses!
sections available: community, images, tours and news, and
recommendations.  general requirements: available web space and knowledge
of html.  for the community section, you must be an active member of
indigo-girls@netspace.org.  for the images section you must have some
photography experience.  if you are interested in maintaining a section,
please email abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu with a short description of
your vision for the section and we'll talk.  please note: this is a
personal site not affiliated with the indigo girls or netspace.org which
has simply gotten too big to maintain on my own.  you will get
credit.  you will be a goddess for a site which received over six
thousand hits in its first eight months.  you may get praise.
you won't get paid.  length of commitment is negotiable.

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oh hell yes we can do it! we southerners are a tenacious bunch! let's
show 'em how great we are!

amy, from georgia :-p pphhbbbttt!!! :)

wiping the screen now...

on sat, 22 nov 1997, j tigger kickliter wrote:

> it has been brought to my attention that *someone* on this list, i'm not
> mentioning any names but she seems to be one of those small round breadish
> wannabe-doughnut type people up there in the far north where they think
> they're still colonials or something..........
>
> doesn't believe that the southerners can pull this off.
>
> did ya hear that?  a yankee says the southerners can't do something.
>
> i think we can do this, and i charge everyone from atlanta south and all the
> way over to the texas panhandle to prove it!   being as how it was my idea,
> and my prerogative, i'm widening the boundaries.  from georgia south, and
> from texas east.  we can do this y'all!!!!!!!
>
> can i get a witness?
>
> peace, harmony, and indigo,
>
> ~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
>   ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
>    ~president, grlchasr26 fan club
> ***********************************************************************
> "and oh, the dissatisfied, with the satisfied
> everybody loves a melodrama and the scandal of a lie.
> still you held your arms open for the prodigal daughter.
> i see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes,
> still water."
>    ~ emily saliers
> ***********************************************************************
>
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just thinking about a couple of things.....

why does pocahontas offend people? could somebody just write to me
privately and explain this? maybe it's just me, but i can't think of
a single sane reason why a disney cartoon could offend anybody.....

also, i was reading the "girl issue" of spin this week (it only came
out recently over here), and i noticed that most of the albums they
thought grrrrl's were supposed to own - like 10,000 maniacs, beck,
bjork, and of ig (sots, in case you're wondering.....) - were in my
record collection. am i a grrrrl in a guy's body?

and finally, i have state the case for the defense of budweiser -
all together now.....

"all we are saying,
is give buds a chance....."

thank you, and good night.....

john.

"where's the kaboom? there was supposed to be an
earth - shattering kaboom!!!"

marvin the martian.

hellooooooo list,
   can i be part of indigohio even though i live in
virginia?  puh-leeze? okay. does anybody know details about
the thanksgiving ppv lilith show or where i can find out
these details (like a web site)? and if anybody figures out
when the vh1 special is going to be repeated, please e-mail
me. by the way, i don't think i ever posted after the red
letter day show i saw here in c'ville.  it was very good, i
bought the cd.  we talked to aj for a little bit, she was
really nice.  "pandora's box" is a great song.  if anybody
doesn't have enough cd's to buy, i recommend their new one
"four bowls of colour". i am so depressed that nobody has a
boot of the dayton show.  if somebody does or knows
someone who does please come out of hiding.  you don't
understand how much i want a tape of this concert.  maybe i
should get in touch with dave ellison and see if i can
borrow the tape the sound guy made of it, they do tape all
their shows, right? i'm sure he'd be receptive.  ha.
                        thanks,
                        stephanie

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
indigo@virginia.edu
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~slm4b/

"ran as hard as i could
i still ended up here
but it's alright" -e.s.

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i can tell you a few reasons on the cartoon being native american
1 they completely fucked up the story first off she was not some buxum 16
year old babe who fell in love with this guy she was a flat chested 12
year old who got raped and taken from her native land enough of a reason?
2 they screwed up herculese hera did not love herc she hated him and she
wasnt his mother either
3 they constantly change stories to suit their purpose
these are just some reaons why they could upset someone

on sat, 22 nov 1997, john bond wrote:

> just thinking about a couple of things.....
>
> why does pocahontas offend people? could somebody just write to me
> privately and explain this? maybe it's just me, but i can't think of
> a single sane reason why a disney cartoon could offend anybody.....
>
> also, i was reading the "girl issue" of spin this week (it only came
> out recently over here), and i noticed that most of the albums they
> thought grrrrl's were supposed to own - like 10,000 maniacs, beck,
> bjork, and of ig (sots, in case you're wondering.....) - were in my
> record collection. am i a grrrrl in a guy's body?
>
> and finally, i have state the case for the defense of budweiser -
> all together now.....
>
> "all we are saying,
> is give buds a chance....."
>
> thank you, and good night.....
>
> john.
>
>
> "where's the kaboom? there was supposed to be an
> earth - shattering kaboom!!!"
>
> marvin the martian.
>
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could someone (i'm thinking deb reiser here) please post the complete list
of january tour dates, incl. venue and ticket on-sale dates, if known.
deb, if you've got a link to that at your homepage (and i'm guessing ya
do, i think you've got a link to *everything* in the natural world on
there!), i can't get to it, i don't have net access at the moment, just
email. i've got the month off, so i'm roadtripping, baby. anyone wants
to join me is welcome.
jill

yes, the clothes make the man.
but the woman makes the clothes.
so what does that make the woman?

--meryn cadell

hey y'all,
    i was wondering if anyone has or knows where i would be able to
find a copy of the script for 'i shot andy warhol'.  it would be a huge
help in my search!
        thanks,
            leah

ok this is an actual serious post.  i just received the dec 9 issue of the
advocate in the mail.  our beloved ani difranco graces the cover.  she
looks very good btw.  i loved the caption--ani difranco, queer rocker.
greg flamer, queer family therapist.  barbara walters, straight journalist.
sounded odd to me.

anyway, the article inside is on gay people and rock and roll and how it is
apparently easier for women than men to come out blah blah.  now i read it
thinking that ig just have to be mentioned.  they were not.  now i know
there has been debate on this before. some want ig to get their due press.
others say it's just as well that they don't get big because we'd never get
good seats again.  the only time i ever see write ups on ig are when they
are touring or possibly when they have a new album out and even then it is
minimal.  these girls tour relentlessly and sell out everywhere.  they
sells millions of albums and have a huge dedicated fan base.  yet even in
an article in a gay magazine on gay people in the music business they are
overlooked.  i mean i love ani but she's datin a man for god's sakes and
gets front cover of a gay magazine.  ok so she says she's bi--whatever.
and my cute little lesbian amy and emily get not even a mention.  so my
question is why?

enlighten me

greg

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>return-path: <rbr-fans-errors@lists.best.com>
>from: mooodeee@aol.com
>subject: (rbr-fans) letter from ani
>date: sat, 22 nov 1997 02:10:57 -0500 (est)
>bestservhost: lists.best.com
>sender: rbr-fans-errors@lists.best.com
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>to: rbr-fans@lists.best.com
>
>
>rbr fans
>
>hey folks, got this open letter from ani difranco by way of ron ehmke at
>righteous babe records in buffalo ny and folkbiz. passing it on to you.
>
>mimi (rbr lurker)
>
>---------------------
>forwarded message:
>subj: an open letter from ani d
>date: 97-11-20 14:48:04 est
>from: rbrinfo
>to: jrklein@sophia.smith.edu
>to: lauren.viera@oberlin.edu
>to: markg@cyborganic.net
>to: engler@somtel.com,psykochix
>to: pr@gamh.com,kak5@psu.edu
>to: smithk@dickinson.edu
>to: kwc1@axe.humboldt.edu
>to: sabe9702@wtmail.wtamu.edu
>cc: matisaac,hallwall@pce.net,zhadrool
>cc: dbonner@acsu.buffalo.edu,lycetten
>cc: profkoch,eharris@ruf.rice.edu
>cc: markt@acpub.duke.edu
>cc: jsorense@indiana.edu
>cc: annie@zombie.com,jzcentral
>
>greetings, ani supporters:
>the li'l folksinger has asked me to distribute the text of this open letter
>to the editor of ms, in response to a short paragraph in their sept./oct. 97
>issue. it's a tad long for e-mail, but ani wanted folks to be able to read
>the entirety of her message instead of an edited version. **you may
>distribute or forward the following as long as you do not alter or edit it.**
>
>-ron e.
>rbr minister of communications
>____________
>
>november 5, 1997
>
>marcia ann gillespie
>editor in chief
>ms. magazine
>135 w. 50th street
>16th floor
>new york, ny 10020
>
> so i'm poring through the 25th anniversary issue of ms. (on some
>airplane going
>somewhere in the amorphous blur that amounts to my life) and i'm finding it
>endlessly
>enlightening and stimulating as always, when, whaddaya know, i come across a
>little picture of little me. i was flattered to be included in that issue's
>"21 feminists for the 21st century" thingybob. i think ya'll are runnin the
>most bold and babe-olishious magazine around, after all.
>
> problem is, i couldn't help but be a little weirded out by the paragraph
>next to my head that summed up her me-ness and my relationship to the
>feminist continuum. what got me was that it largely detailed my financial
>successes and sales statistics. my achievements were represented by the fact
>that i "make more money per album sold than hootie and the blowfish," and
>that my catalogue sales exceed 3/4 of a million. it was specified that i
>don't just have my own record company but my own "profitable" record company.
>still, the ironic conclusion of the aforementioned blurb is a quote from me
>insisting "it's not about the money." why then, i ask myself, must "the
>money" be the focus of so much of the media that surrounds me? why can't i
>escape it, even in the hallowed pages of ms.?
>
> firstly, this "hootie and the blowfish" business was not my doing. the
>la times financial section wrote an article about my record label, righteous
>babe records, in which they raved about the business savvy of a singer (me)
>who thwarted the corporate overhead by choosing to remain independent,
>thereby pocketing $4.25 per unit, as opposed to the $1.25 made by hootie or
>the $2.00 made by michael jackson. this story was then picked up and
>reprinted by the new york times, forbes magazine, the financial news network,
>and (lo and behold) ms.
>
> so here i am, publicly morphing into some kinda fortune
>500-young-entrepreneur-from-hell, and all along i thought i was just a
>folksinger !
>
> ok, it's true. i do make a much larger profit (percentage-wise) than the
>hootster. what's even more astounding is that there are thousands of
>musicians out there who make an even higher profit percentage than me! how
>many local, musicians are there in your community who play gigs in bars and
>coffee shops about town? i bet lots of them have made cassettes or cds which
>they'll happily sell to you with a personal smile from the edge of the stage
>or back at the bar after their set. would you believe these shrewd,
>profit-minded wheeler-dealers are pocketing a whopping _100%_ of the profits
>on the sales of those puppies?! wait till the financial news network gets a
>whiff of _them_!
>
> i sell approximately 2.5% of the albums that a joan jewelanis morrisette
>sells and get
>about .05% of the airplay royalties, so obviously if it all comes down to
>dollars and cents, i've led a wholly unremarkable life. yet i choose relative
>statistical mediocrity over fame and fortune because i have a bigger purpose
>in mind. imagine how strange it must be for a girl who has spent 10 years
>fighting as hard as she could against the lure of the corporate carrot and
>the almighty forces of capital, only to be eventually recognized by the power
>structure as a business pioneer.
>
> i have indeed sold enough records to open a small office on the
>half-abandoned main
>street in the dilapidated urban center of my hometown, buffalo, n.y. i am
>able to hire 15 or so folks to run and constantly reinvent the place while i
>drive around and play music for people. i am able to give stimulating
>business to local printers and manufacturers and to employ the services of
>independent distributors, promoters, booking agents and publicists. i was
>able to quit my day job and devote myself to what i love. and yes, we are
>enjoying modest profits these days, affording us the opportunity to reinvest
>in innumerable political and artistic endeavors. rbr is no warner bros. but
>it is a going concern, and for me, it is a vehicle for redefining the
>relationship between art and commerce in my own life. it is a record company
>which is the product not just of my own imagination, but that of my friend
>and manager scot fisher and of all the people who work there. people who
>incorporate and coordinate politics, art and media every day into a
>people-friendly, sub-corporate, woman-informed, queer-happy small business
>that puts music before rock stardom and ideology before profit.
>
> and me. i'm just a folksinger, not an entrepreneur. my hope is that my
>music and poetry will be enjoyable and/or meaningful to someone, somewhere,
>not that i maximize my profit margins. it was 15 years and 11 albums getting
>to this place of notoriety and, if anything, i think i was happier way back
>when. not that i regret any of my decisions, mind you. i'm glad i didn't
>sign on to the corporate army. i mourn the commodification and
>homogenization of music by the music industry, and i fear the manufacture of
>consent by the corporately-controlled media. last thing i want to do is feed
>the machine.
>
> i was recently mortified while waiting in the dressing room before one
>of my own shows. some putz suddenly takes the stage to announce me and
>exclaim excitedly that this was my "largest sold-out crowd to date!" "oh,
>really?," i'm thinking to myself, "that's interesting...too bad it's not the
>point." all of my achievements are artistic, as are all of my failures.
> that's just the way i see it. statistical plateau or no. i'll bust ass for
>60 people, or 6,000, watch me.
>
> i have so much respect for ms. magazine. if i couldn't pick it up at
>newsstands my brain probably would've atrophied by now on some trans-atlantic
>flight and i would be lying limp and twitchy in a bed of constant travel,
>staring blankly into the abyss of the gossip magazines. ms. is a structure
>of media wherein women are able to define themselves, and articulate for
>themselves those definitions. we wouldn't point to 21 of the feminists
>moving into the 21st century and define them in terms of "here's becky
>ballbuster from iowa city, she's got a great ass and a cute little button
>nose..." no ma'am. we've gone beyond the limited perceptions of sexism and
>so we should move beyond the language and perspective of the corporate
>patriarchy. the financial news network may be ultimately impressed with me
>now that i've proven to them that there's a
>life beyond the auspices of papa sony, but do i really have to prove this to
>_you_?
>
> we have the ability and the opportunity to recognize women not just for
>the financial
>successes of their work but for the work itself. we have the facility to
>judge each other by entirely different criteria than those is imposed upon us
>by the superstructure of society. we have a view which reaches beyond profit
>margins into poetry, and a vocabulary to articulate the difference.
>
> thanks for including me, ms., really. but just promise me one thing;
> if i drop dead
>tomorrow, tell me my grave stone won't read:
>
> ani d.
> ceo.
>
>please let it read:
>
> songwriter
> musicmaker
> storyteller
> freak.
>
>
>-ani difranco
>
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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 15:22:08 -0400
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 you know you've been to too many ani shows.... (fwd)
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just insert "ig" in place of "ani" and poof! they're talkin' about us,
guys! how'd they know?!
jill
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you know you've seen too many ani shows when.......

* you've seen more shows than you are years old
* ani announces that she's about to play a brand new song, and you already
know all of the lyrics by heart.... and who inspired it
* you know the names and faces of every human who travels on the love bus
* you know personal information about every human who travels on the love
bus... "oh look, reg got a haircut yesterday!" "andrew is planning a trip to
mexico!"
* new band members introduce themselves to you...... and their current
girlfriend/boyfiend
* ani's photographer introduces herself to you, saying, "it's great to meet
the rest of the family!"
* you help heidi sell merchandise at the shows
* you have pictures of heidi sporting no less than 20 different outfits
* you can sic the stage crew on the bouncers at specific venues and be
allowed to stay up front
* you see ani more often than you see your mom
* your grandmother cuts out magazine articles about ani and mails them
to you.
* you hang out after shows with the opening act
* after a show, andy comes up to you and says, "hey! what are you doing here
again?!?! i noticed you in the audience?!?!?"
* after andy says that, your reply is, "buffalo isn't far from virginia!"
* you've memorized every article of clothing in ani's wardrobe
* you cheer for the stage hands... and they wave at you.
* you've taken every form of transportation to an ani show... car, taxi,
bus, train, subway, plane
* you've taken them all in the same weekend
* the humans at enterprise rent a car recognize you
* you spend more money traveling to see ani than you do on groceries
* you are nuzzled up against the stage with balcony tickets in your
pocket, because you now know _all_ the tricks to getting up front.
* ani tells a funny anecdote during a concert about something that happened
the night before, you fill in the humans near you in the audience about the
other details of the story
* every friday, your co-workers ask you, "where are you going to a concert
this weekend?!?!"
* ani isn't going to be performing near you (meaning an 800 mile radius) for
a few months, and you realize that you're facing a huge lifestyle change
* you hear that the band was worried bacause they didn't see you in the
front row, because you were late, and were relieved when you finally
showed up during the 3rd song.
* the most common statement that you make to humans at the end of a concert
is, "see you tomorrow!"
* you can accurately predict what the set will be within 2 songs
* you know the significance of all of the following.... choir boy, kermit,
queenie, a little slow dance tune, hey bo!, a song that you're supposed to
teach to some little kids, and the lizard people.
* you are one of the lizard people

:) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) miki@randomgirl.com :)

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it's only important to use your time well

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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 15:43:37 -0400
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i think we're all asking the same question.  true, it's better for us
that they're not big, but come on...they do deserve some sort of
acknowledgement from the media.  i'd be happy to suffer in order for
them to get the credit that they deserve!
i was so disappointed at the november 13 issue of rolling stone (women
of rock - the 30th anniversary issue)... i could have cried!
i thought "okay..this is it...we're gonna see a full page article on the
indigo girls...we're gonna see one...they deserve it.  it's comin', it's
comin'" i look inside and hmmmm....nothing...if there was anything it
must have been so small that i completely missed it.  i was so pissed i
threw it in the trash...give me a friggin' break! when was the last time
there was actually a decent article on them in that magazine?! 1989?!
i think it's about time for another.  i'll be waiting!

-bethany :)

it hurts so bad to hear you all talkin' about the columbus concert and
knowing that i can't be there! sometimes work really bites...(oh wait,
that's all the time!) i have actually resorted to automatically deleting
all of the messages relating to columbus. if i read them i get this
incredible sickness deep down in the pit of my stomach. :(> <------
that guy is supposed to have his tongue out..you know, like he's gonna
throw up. :)
i do wanna be a member of indigohio though... will anyone be at the
bloomington, in concert on the 9th?! ill be truckin' my butt to that
one, as fast as you can say... amy! see you all there!

-bethany :)

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hi,

i contacted the ppv people sometime last month and this is the info i
received.

lilith fair will be broadcast on the viewer's choice channel on
november 28th. this is a pay-per-view event. the concert will be
shown 9:00 pm est and repeated at 12:00 am est. this concert will
be a combination of the montreal (august 17th) and pittsburgh (august
12th) shows. performers scheduled are sheryl crow, jewel, meredith
brooks, shawn colvin, indigo girls and lisa loeb.

each cable company subscribes to different ppv services. my cable
company uses "request" ppv. i checked the lilith fair site and they said
it would air on viewer's choice (vc1) and request. i just called my
cable company and they say it's not being shown. the only way to know
for sure is to call your local cable company to find out if it will be
broadcasted on their ppv.

http://www.ppv.com
http://www.lilithfair.com

things in their own time,
leticia
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hi:-)

is anyone interested in a rites of passage music book? i ordered
that personality folios thing from amazon.com thinking it was some cool
paperback book on them, but when i got it i realized that it was really
just the music book, and now i've got two. it was 16.95+shipping, but i'll
definately work out something cheaper if anyone is interested?
-heather

sorry to write to the list, but i don't have jude's address:

jude, just wanted to thank you for the tapes. they are wonderful!!!! thank
you.

michelle

just had to write and let you know what a fan my friend kathleen is.
she loves your music and is quite taken by amy.  she saw you perform
recently in memphis and has not stopped talking about it.  don't know if
you keep up with your email personally but had to write and let you know
about kathleen and her interest (she hopes to meet you someday.)  she is
introducing us to your music and it is playing in the background as i
write.  (rites of passage.)  i think she has brought you two new fans.

best of luck and success. (i will be glad to forward any message on to
my friend kathleen if you are so inclined.)

sincerely, ginny lambert

wow--that sounds pretty cool. i'd be interested in participating, and if no
one else has already grabbed the responsibility, could help in organizing.

peace,
shelley

"i feel louder about everything now.  it's more than a coming-out experience
for me.  i never want to be quiet again - or subtle."
                                                         --amy ray

you mean i'm not the only freak out there who finds amy and emily wandering
bizarrely through her dreams? only mine half the time are about missing
shows or getting there late or something equally traumatic. i'm sure its not
even really about them, that in my ten years of obsessive listening, the
girls have become merely a symbol stand-in for something else in my life
(y'all can e-mail me your great interps. privately if you want), but still,
its great fun to at least have some way of getting front row seats ; ).

peace,
shelley

"i feel louder about everything now.  it's more than a coming-out experience
for me.  i never want to be quiet again - or subtle."
                                                         --amy ray

if anyone knows the chords to catie curtis's river winding, i would greatly
appreciate it...i recently heard the song and have to learn how to play it.

thanks...

alisa

"...for everything i've learned
there are two i don't understand."
emily saliers

agreenb1@swarthmore.edu

i am going to see the girls for the 3rd timme on tuesday (oh mi god, 3
days!!!!) anyways, i want to bootleg the show and i have a tape recorder
thats pretty good, so is that enough? also how tight is the security at the
fox? can i bring my camera too? it wasn't bad at chastain park.  so can an
experienced booter e-mail me and inform me about the whole process.  also i
want the reviews from the list for the chastain park atlanta concerts.  if
anyone has them saved up or anything, will you please forward them to me.
i was there at ther very front table and me and my friends were practically
sitting on the stage. this time my seats are row d center!!! thanks for
everyone's help,
                        chelsea
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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 17:26:10 -0500
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here's the description for the ppv lilith fair special from tv guide online:
lilith fair
fri, nov 28 9:00pm vci
a compilation of excellent performances from this summer's all-female
concert tour. rocker meredith brooks opens with a set that contains her
brazen anthem "bitch." shawn colvin follows and delivers the soul-stirring
ballad "sunny came home." the indigo girls' joyful set closes with "closer
to fine," in which the pair are joined by brooks, concert organizer sarah
mclachlan, julia fordham and jewel. jewel's polished segment shines with the
vulnerable "angel standing by," while sheryl crow's portion soars with "i
shall believe." in the electrifying finale, mclachlan joins jewel, brooks,
colvin, fordham and others for joni mitchell's "big yellow taxi."
150 min

elizabeth

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"to faggots, lezzies, dykes, cross dressers too
to me
to me
to me
to you, and you and you, you and you
to people living with, living with,
living with
not dying from disease
let he among us without sin
be the first to condemn
la vie boheme."
-from _rent_

"...sometimes i hear my voice and it's been here silent all
these years."
-tori amos, "silent all these years"

"a lesson learned, a loving god, and things in their own time.
in nothing more do i trust."
-emily saliers, "everything in its own time"

oh my god, holy cow, i'm hyperventilating......
aieeeeeeeeee!
i just talked to my stepbrother chip, who lives in california and is a
pilot--he works for a company that is like a air taxi service for
corporations.  holy f***, guess what?!
he is going to be flying amy and emily on dec. 4th!  that's just him, the
other pilot, and all things ig (very small private plane).  i cannot
believe this.  i told him i would give my firstborn to be on that plane,
but if that's not possible (hey i ain't having kids), he said he's slip
amy a letter for me, wherein i would request my daemon internship, her
hand in marriage, ya know, the usual stuff!
so, where ar the girls gonna be dec.4th, 5th, and 6th?  i'm making a
pilgrimage, bet me.  screw school, who needs an education when you could
be soaring above the clouds (sing it, em, "up on an airplaaaaaaane") with
my idols?  ;)
jill

yes, the clothes make the man.
but the woman makes the clothes.
so what does that make the woman?

--meryn cadell

in a message dated 11/22/97 12:10:18 pm, you wrote:

<<it has been brought to my attention that *someone* on this list, i'm not
mentioning any names but she seems to be one of those small round breadish
wannabe-doughnut type people up there in the far north where they think
they're still colonials or something.......... >>

who would do such a thing????

<<doesn't believe that the southerners can pull this off. >>

that would be an oxy moron, wouldn't it? ;)

<<did ya hear that? a yankee says the southerners can't do something. >>

mickey mantle said that????

<<i think we can do this, and i charge everyone from atlanta south and all
the
way over to the texas panhandle to prove it! being as how it was my idea,
and my prerogative, i'm widening the boundaries. from georgia south, and
from texas east. we can do this y'all!!!!!!! >>

umm, tigg? wouldn't that really just be the rest of the list who doesn't
already belong to an elitist group (oh, i'm gonna get major flamage fer
that!)?

<<can i get a witness?>>

dunno, but i can get ya a lawyer cheap.

oh, and, tiggy?  i may indeed be originally from new york, but i'm a
flatlander now...  chicago-area.  i make fun of dem baigls, too!  now it's
yer turn.  go fer the easy one, flatlander...  hmmmmm.  flatliner.
hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!  see?  i'm equal opportunity!

happy saturday!!! =)
dee

hello listees!!
i just wanted to ask for a little information from the wealth of
knowledge that we have out there.  i bought a video compilation of
television appearances today at the record show.  the girls perform a
song that i've never heard before.  i think it's called ,"cold as
ice"???  it is an amy song....almost undoubtedly.  i'm watching the
video as i type this....it's from an old t.v. appearance in atlanta
around 1989 or 90??  any clues??  the video says the appearances
(including 5 letterman appearances and snl)are from 1989-1992.  i also
bought two concerts that were of fair quality.  one is from virginia in
1994 and the other is a show in arizona in 96.  the 94 show is a better
quality picture and is shot from the balcony...has anyone ever seen
these?  i spent 55 for all three...i guess thats all...thanks again,
marsha

hey there,
is there anyone out there in dayton who would perhaps know how i could get
tickets to the dec. 7th phish show?  if there's anyone living in dayton who
would do me a large favor i desperatelty want 4 tickts to the show.  i am in
atlanta so it is a far drive, but i know that even though tickmaster hs no
more tickets that there are still four available at the venue.  i would be
eternally grateful, i would be willing to kick in a little extra for the
trouble.  please email me soon if you can help.
thanks,
jennifer

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meryn said, among other things:
>oh my god, holy cow, i'm hyperventilating......
>aieeeeeeeeee!
>i just talked to my stepbrother chip, who lives in california and is a
>pilot--he works for a company that is like a air taxi service for
>corporations. holy f***, guess what?!
>he is going to be flying amy and emily on dec. 4th!

can ya'll say six degrees of separation?  ever since i saw that movie, i
think the whole concept is true.  we should start a thread figuring out by
how many degrees each of is separated from a & e. i'm by 2, a friend of mine
in vld is friends w/a.  not that it does me any good unless they're playing
an atlanta show; but, it is kinda nice to think about and he occasionally
shares a good (but not private) story with me.
:o) lisa

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

--- greggykins wrote:
ok this is an actual serious post.  i just (snip)
anyway, the article inside is on gay people and rock and roll and how it is
apparently easier for women than men to come out blah blah.  now i read it
thinking that ig just have to be mentioned.  they were not.  ......  yet even
in
an article in a gay magazine on gay people in the music business they are
overlooked.

here's my weenie-brain thoughts on this, greg: i don't think the advocate has
ever, ever given decent press to lesbians. i'm not at all surprised that they
didn't get a lot of coverage in there (altho weren't they prominently featured
in the advocate a few months ago? the "mood indigo" article? or was that out? i
get all those queermags and i get em confused soemtimes....)...but anyways,
back to my original pointandidohaveone: the advocate is, imho, not a woman's
magazine or a lesbian magazine...if you follow the articles and the ads closely
(and believe me i have, i wrote a paper on this for a class in college...heh
heh yeah i did go to college)...it just doesn't seem like they give adequate
attention at all to my lesbionic sisters*, musical or otherwise. it's a gay
men's magazine with mostly gay men's topical coverage. as for why they aren't
incldued in other mags...i dunno...but to me, the advocate is not where i would
expect them.

greg then wrote:
i mean i love ani but she's datin a man for god's sakes and
gets front cover of a gay magazine. ok so she says she's bi--whatever.
and my cute little lesbian amy and emily get not even a mention. so my
question is why?

** i'll overlook the little "she says she's bi...whatever" cause i know it
wasn't meant to be a jab :) bisexuality exists people, trust me :)!!!! as for
ani....she has definitely dated women in the past (altho not me, i'm still
trying to figure that one out!) and she defines her relationships as queer. now
kids, i could go into a big explicational diarrhea brain discussion of
queerness, but i think her point is (and what queer theorists might say is):
don't peg me just cause i am going out with a guy...there are all sorts of
relational/gender dynamics that go into every pairing, of which gender is just
one element. a couple can be queer and be str8, if you follow that
argument...in the sense that queer means "not adhering to societally set,
specfically assigned gender roles". ani has been quoted as saying she's much
more the "dominant" role in her relationship, and that her bf is much more the
passive. queerness has expanded to include a whole range of relational
interplay, including male/female relationships...and can't we give her any
credit for defining her relationship by this standard?

whoooooa. my brain just cut the cheese loud, and it smells! so i'll shut up
now! just my thoughts...i think queer theory is really interesting and
provocative and...blah blah blah

just my 2

sus
"we call our music lesbionic!!!"-- donna dresch, lead singer of the truly
righteous and now defunct team dresch :(

hey all,

i have been trying to get in touch with lisa schreihart. does anyone
know if she still subscribes to the list?

thanks!
angela ugosister@juno.com
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i know that lilith ppv is definitely being aired in columbus on warner cable...i just saw the ads for it last night!!!!

at 01:14 pm 11/22/97 -0800, leticia perez wrote:

i just called my

>cable company and they say it's not being shown. the only way to know

>for sure is to call your local cable company to find out if it will be

>broadcasted on their ppv.

heathera

"shut up!" "no you shut up!" "no you shut up!" -dharma and greg

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http://wwp.mirabilis.com/207391 - we'll talk indigo

hi all. i'm new to the list, so please forgive me if it's improper etiquette
to shamelessly promote myself.

anyhow, i'm a gigging so cal singer/songwriter who's just recently released
an ep which will hopefully be available in your local record stores in early
98. in the meantime, i've got a house full of 'em that i'd like to offer for
free to anybody interested in giving it a listen.

if interested, please send $3 (to cover the cost of shipping & postage):

        novice notions music
        12228 venice blvd, #322
        los angeles, ca  90066

if you have any questions, please mail me directly.

thanks.

-julie

a special presentation of the lilith fair will air on pay per view this
coming friday, november 28th.

this is different from the show that was on vh-1 this week, in that ppv is
billing it as a concert event - so we can expect to hear actual songs. still,
the ad i saw for the special did include footage of many performers being
interviewed about the experience, and all the interview clips- yes, even ig -
were from the same interviews we saw on the vh-1 special, except they were
different sound bites, different quotes, etc. confused? just order ppv- the
girls will be featured in it! and maybe we can actually get to hear the water
is wide with the girls, sarah and jewel. the little piece of it that they
aired on vh-1 the other night was beautiful, and it looked like that was the
lilith concert that ppv taped. others that appeared to be included in that
concert line-up were sarah (of course), sheryl crow, jewel, oh my, don't
flame me but i'm so excited i can't remember the name of the woman who sings
'sonny came home,' but she was shown, too.

okay-this is sort of in response to jill's recent post.

i can't wait to see this.

amanda

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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 14:44:20 -0800
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subject: sarah mclachlan and indigo girls to appear on ellen

http://www.wallofsound.com/news/stories/2327index.html

friday, november 21, 1997

sarah mclachlan and indigo girls to appear on ellen

ellen degeneres has never had a problem getting big-name stars to
guest on her abc sitcom.  oprah winfrey, emma thompson, demi moore,
sean penn, and melissa etheridge are just a few stars who have gotten
into the game.  now it looks like the lilith fair is jumping on the
bandwagon.  according to spinradio, fair founder sarah mclachlan and
the indigo girls will be stopping by to shoot an  episode on december 4.
the girls almost had to decline degeneres' invitation to appear, because
they're booked to play a gig that night in ames, iowa.  luckily, their label
stepped in and booked a lear jet to whisk the duo straight from the
studio to the iowa stage.  "we had to twist their arms to get them to
agree to the jet," a spokesperson for the girls said.  "it's a little star-trippy
for them."

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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 20:00:12 -0400
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subject: jubilant partners? anyone heard of this?
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yeah, i just found out i have *another* connection to the girls.  was
talking to a girl at dinner, who's from sarajevo, and said she was a
refugee and was helped by a group called jubilant partners or something
similar to that, which the girls are affiliated with.  she had lunch with
them, spent a few hours with them.  her verdict was that they are very
nice people, but she found amy particularly magnetic.  :)  has anyone ever
heard of this group?  it's based in georgia, that's why the girls were
involved with it.
on sat, 22 nov 1997, lisa tatonetti wrote:

> meryn said, among other things:
> >oh my god, holy cow, i'm hyperventilating......
> >aieeeeeeeeee!
> >i just talked to my stepbrother chip, who lives in california and is a
> >pilot--he works for a company that is like a air taxi service for
> >corporations.  holy f***, guess what?!
> >he is going to be flying amy and emily on dec. 4th!
>
> can ya'll say six degrees of separation?  ever since i saw that movie, i
> think the whole concept is true.  we should start a thread figuring out by
> how many degrees each of is separated from a & e. i'm by 2, a friend of mine
> in vld is friends w/a.  not that it does me any good unless they're playing
> an atlanta show; but, it is kinda nice to think about and he occasionally
> shares a good (but not private) story with me.
> :o) lisa
>
>
>
> "the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
> seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers
>
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oh my i want to be at that taping, does anyone know how?  and *where* is
it recorded?  in california, i'm thinking?  wow, i could fly to ca, stay
at chip's house, go watch the show, get "whisked" away with the girls to
iowa, watch that concert, maybe crash at lisa's house (heh heh), then take
a greyhound bus home.  no prob.  anybody want to join me?
dreaming,
jill

yes, the clothes make the man.
but the woman makes the clothes.
so what does that make the woman?

--meryn cadell

hi listers,
okay, that post said it was gonna be taped on dec. 4th, but does anyone know
when it'll be aired??????

somebody call abc!

leigh ann

i'm two!!!!  my cousin-in-law lives in atlanta, and when emily's family moved
to altanta, they moved in next door to him.  so he;s known amy and emily both
since they were kids!!!!!  how 'bout that?  he remembers them very fondly
too, how "cute" they were.  he said emily and her sisters called him "uncle
johnny"  :)

my cute story of the day.....

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 22:25:46 -0400
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from: jill certo <jillian.certo@oberlin.edu>
subject: re: jealousy
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:( :( i can't get on that plane!  darn it all...  my stepmommy informed
me that chip's plane is a *private* lear jet--one of those tiny eensy
beensy teensy tiny little planes that make ya real  claustrophobic...
there's no way in heck i could get my little ol' self on that plane  that
wouldn't land me with a lawsuit andd/or restraining order on my hands.
heh.  russell is a meanie.  maybe i could strap myself to the wing, or
hide in the baggage hold, like two of y'all wrote me to suggest.  tee hee.
i called home to tell them exactly where and why chip is flying them, and
how i wanted to go there and watch that show taping, and my parents are
all, "you're on crack, sweetie." yeah, whatever, they just don't
*understand*, man. ;)
*still* racking my brain to  figure out *how* on god's green earth i could
get to that show taping...  we need listees there, guys!  we need
*someone* out there "woo-hoo"ing for our girls.  darn it darn it darn it
why do i live in godforsaken ohio, of all the fun and exciting places in
this beautiful us of a, my family line chose to spawn in freakin'
cleveland.
curses!  foiled again!
jill

yes, the clothes make the man.
but the woman makes the clothes.
so what does that make the woman?

--meryn cadell

<< here's the description for the ppv lilith fair special from tv guide
online:
lilith fair fri, nov 28 9:00pm vci

i don't have cable and can't access ppv. is there anyone out there who would
make a tape of this for me if i did the blank and sase thing??? thanks.

michelle

does anyone have one ticket left for this show??? after a massive
shuffling of dates, i'm now free to go to that show, and i'm desperate to
find a ticket. i can be reached at this address, s_harney@hotmail.com, or
at jgharney@advicom.net.
thank you thank you thank you to anyone who can find me a ticket...

sue

ree as well i guess..at emory a lot of the faculty know them, or
at least know's emily's father.  my advisor is actually the wife of the
president of the university.  she told  me that her favorite album is so and
that the highlight of her husband's inagural service was the ig playing.  she
knew emily's dad of course.
jennifer

i've been working on a new web page for the last few weeks and intend to
spend the winter holiday updating, editing, revising and adding as much as i
can to it.

please feel free to look at it and give me any feedback on how it looks. if
you would like your web page listed as a link from a certain page on the
site, let me know.

i've encountered the space limit with aol of 2m; however, i've learned the
trick around it and now have an available 8m more. so, i've got some room to
work with.

p.s. sorry to waste bw, but this is melissa, indigo and lesbian related.
thanks.

p.p.s. speaking of non-related content...my page actually has lots o' links,
including the following: austin, texas; book and magazine companies;'computer
related; ellen degeneres; miscellaneous; movies and general music related

michelle

oh god!!! i'm sooo sorry. i guess the url would be helpful..

http://members.aol.com/mreeves74/index.html

<<i've been working on a new web page for the last few weeks and intend to
spend the winter holiday updating, editing, revising and adding as much as i
can to it. >>

michelle

did anyone catch that snl skit with sara and one of the snl'ers
singing "basted in blood"? it was excellently hilarious!! hehee
i had no idea sara could be funny.

- rick

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date: sat, 22 nov 1997 23:15:17 -0600
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>why does pocahontas offend people? could somebody just write to me
>privately and explain this? maybe it's just me, but i can't think of
>a single sane reason why a disney cartoon could offend anybody.....

i don't know about pocahontas, but i can't watch "the fox and the hound".
not because it offends me, but because it makes me weep uncontrollably.
my gf rented it one weekend, and had to turn it off because it upset
me so much. wasn't pretty...
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i saw snl because i'm a loser staying home and "doing
organic chemistry" on a saturday night.  it was great...i
was really impressed by the girl's voice who sang with her,
actually, although she did a horrible job at pretending to
play the guitar.  very, very funny stuff.  but it's
probably not a good idea for sarah to be poking fun at her
fellow artists, like fiona apple who was part of the lilith
fair, even if she wasn't saying anything mean.  fiona apple
gets ripped on enough...if she wants to be part of a
hotline where she makes a 30 second speech on the evils of
eating turkey (which is true, by the way) then good for
her.  of course, that's snl's job, to make fun of people,
but not good pr for sarah.  (yeah, we're on a first name
basis now).
                        g'nite,
                        stephanie

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
indigo@virginia.edu
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from win and lose, and still somehow
it's life's illusions i recall
i really don't know life at all"
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date: sun, 23 nov 1997 01:30:27 -0500
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i know, i know, too much nigc, but i'm desperate. but look, i deleted the
sig file this time, so you don't have to put up with that :)
anyway, my plea:
does anyone out there know anything about c++ (or c for that matter) and
want to help this poor college student who can't seem to get that last part
of her program working? thanks in advance.

elizabeth

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date: sun, 23 nov 1997 02:25:45 -0500
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so when will that show be aired? gosh, i can't wait to see the girls on
"ellen"!
:-) karen

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i have tour dates up until dec. 16. i have nothing between dec. 16 and
january 21. i have nothing between jan 26 and feb 21.

i would like please any/all dates between 12/16/97 and 1/21/98, and between
1/26/98 and 2/21/98, and anything after 3/6/98.

thanks all! :)

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
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"oh!" said pooh, for he had never seen an animal like this
before.  "does christopher robin know about you?"
********************************************************************

lisa - i cleaned up today and found your envelope but no tapes - i need to
know which tapes i was supposed to send you so i can do that.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
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i was going to remember the set list, but after sys, i totally lost track of everything else.

first meeting the other listees at mokabe's. kelly, joanie, sarah, nice meeting all of you. kelly thanx for the "riverfront times."

danielle howle was terrific! i ran out and bought her cd during intermission. add me to her growing list of fans.

amy and emily...wow! they were both all smiles and seemed to be having a really good time. i was with 3 friends, 2 of whom are emilyites. believe it or not, they say amy does nothing for them. not even seeing her do r & j could change their minds. amy looked cute, as always. but i must say, emily was looking very fine, herself. her hair was delightfully messy, and ever so cute! as always, she was smiling a lot when the audience sang. during this show, we sang a lot. we were on our feet for all but about 3 songs. i was watching emily a lot during the show and her facial expressions are very intense and very cute! during leeds, she really banged on the keyboard and sang with so much emotion. her voice was especially clear and sweet tonight.

during chickenman, when dave was playing the harmonica, he apparently put in a twist and/or played longer than the girls anticipated and they both got very tickled at the whole situation. they were both looking at him, looking at each other, and shrugging and laughing.

during sb, at one point i saw a bead of sweat roll down amy's face. it streamed down under her right eye. she was singing with such pent-up emotion. she reached up and wiped it away with her finger, and i'm sure the first 20 rows must have swooned along with me...

at the beginning of hkf, amy started to play and then said something like, "well i really screwed that up totally! maybe can we like start over?" emily replied, "that's ok. we're allowed to f@ck up every once in a while! everybody does!"

we waited in the cold for the girls to come out. we're out here freezing our butts off and someone is actually playing guitar, and we're all singing indigo songs, as the wind whips through our hair. the security people were extremely rude. at one point, one of them told someone, "get back behind the f@cking bushes now!" a woman who worked for security kept rolling her eyes everytime we would start to sing another song. however, dave ellison came over to us and told us the girls would not be signing any autographs or taking photos, etc. because he said they were fighting off a flu bug that had been making the rounds in the band. he was very pleasant, though. of course, we still waited. i watched as the door opened and i immediately knew it was emily. "emily!!" i screamed. then everyone started screaming her name. the guitar playing/singing was still going on. emily starts walking toward the bus. she looks at us all, looks at the open bus door, looks at us again, and starts walking over. i was holding a sign w/ the address on it that said amy & emily, the list loves you. she came over and told us, "i'm sorry. we can't sign autographs. there's so many of you." the girl w/ the guitar asked emily if she got her note and emily told her she had read it. then sweet emily says, "ok. i will sign just one." she signed the girl's guitar (later i touched the spot where that extremely talented hand had signed her name). then a couple other people started pleading. emily looks toward the bus again and says, "i'm sorry. i can't start. but i want to say thank you all very much. really, thank you." i just said, "no. thank you, emily." she was only a few feet from us. we could have reached out and touched her. then a friend of mine yells out, "would you sign my forehead?" emily just sort of grinned. then she said she was sorry and that she had to go. we waited a little longer for amy. when she came out, we yelled at her. she waved hello, and as she got to the bus, she made a motion with her hands
get driving down the road." she got on the bus and it pulled away.

i know one thing...emily was looking fine tonight, and with her sweet attitude and coming over to talk to us, she scored some big points with me and my other "amy-obscessed" friend. anyone ever notice how cute the expressions on her face are when she's playing an intense lead guitar part? she does have it going on!

did anyone notice the rainbow colors in the lights during hkf?! they were all the right colors and in the right order too!!!

now important--anyone boot the show? anyone who can post the set list please. any other list people have different takes on the show or know of something i left out? joanie, maybe it's finally time to post! :)

indigo to all,
toye

boy i wish you all would *calm down*!

here is some information, for better or worse, about the ellen taping,
which i have gleaned from ... looking it up on the web.

1. ellen tapes at the disney studios in burbank, california

2. ellen tapes before a live audience on friday nights, starting at 6p.m.

3. friday is december 5th, not december 4th - hence the ig/sarah portion
is not being taping in front of a live studio audience. further evidence
of that is that since iowa is a couple hours earlier than california,
they couldn't be taping at 6p.m. in california and make an evening show
in iowa, no matter how fast jill's brother flies his aeroplane.

4. the december 5th show is "sold out" - at least to the extent that a
show that doesn't sell tickets can be sold out. studio audiences make
reservations for free tickets. reservations for the popular shows have
to be made about a month in advance - friends, mad about you etc. also
tape on friday, and are also "sold out" for that night.

5. there are stand-by lines at tapings, so if you got there early enough
you might get in anyway. they are supposed to let the vips and the
people with reservations in first, so there is no guarantee you would get in.

okay, that's all i know. i have no bright ideas about how to get in to a
closed taping on thursday, unless you know someone on the ellen crew,
which i don't.

but i do have 5 days off over thanksgiving to figure it out....

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date: sun, 23 nov 1997 06:24:55 -0500
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> hey what do y'all think about the christmas card idea???? just
> wondering
>

i like it!! count me in : )

karen

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date: sun, 23 nov 1997 06:26:34 -0500
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j tigger kickliter wrote:

> it has been brought to my attention that *someone* on this list, i'm
> not
> mentioning any names but she seems to be one of those small round
> breadish
> wannabe-doughnut type people up there in the far north where they
> think
> they're still colonials or something..........
>
> doesn't believe that the southerners can pull this off.
>
> did ya hear that?  a yankee says the southerners can't do something.
>
> i think we can do this, and i charge everyone from atlanta south and
> all the
> way over to the texas panhandle to prove it!   being as how it was my
> idea,
> and my prerogative, i'm widening the boundaries.  from georgia south,
> and
> from texas east.  we can do this y'all!!!!!!!
>
> can i get a witness?
>
> peace, harmony, and indigo,

karen <------ witness

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date: sun, 23 nov 1997 06:59:53 -0500
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shawn colvin!!!!

leah susan wrote:

> a special presentation of the lilith fair will air on pay per view
> this
> coming friday, november 28th.
>
> this is different from the show that was on vh-1 this week, in that
> ppv is
> billing it as a concert event - so we can expect to hear actual songs.
> still,
> the ad i saw for the special did include footage of many performers
> being
> interviewed about the experience, and all the interview clips- yes,
> even ig -
> were from the same interviews we saw on the vh-1 special, except they
> were
> different sound bites, different quotes, etc. confused? just order
> ppv- the
> girls will be featured in it! and maybe we can actually get to hear
> the water
> is wide with the girls, sarah and jewel. the little piece of it that
> they
> aired on vh-1 the other night was beautiful, and it looked like that
> was the
> lilith concert that ppv taped. others that appeared to be included in
> that
> concert line-up were sarah (of course), sheryl crow, jewel, oh my,
> don't
> flame me but i'm so excited i can't remember the name of the woman who
> sings
> 'sonny came home,' but she was shown, too.
>
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she was great, and a better actress that the whosy whatsits gal she was
doing the news with, who btw drowned out her sweet voice during basted
in blood arrrgh. didn't you think the sound sucked during sweet
surrender??? the guitars were too loud!

love karen

rick c. hodgin wrote:

> did anyone catch that snl skit with sara and one of the snl'ers
> singing "basted in blood"? it was excellently hilarious!! hehee
> i had no idea sara could be funny.
>
> - rick
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hey y'all!!!

anybody going to the louisville show on 12-2 is welcome to meet up with my
friend michelle (brand new listee - hope y'all are being nice to her) and me
before the show! joan morrison, aol screwed me over and i couldn't send my
long reply to all your questions, so please call me at work 502-596-7160.

also, did somebody say the fish shirts are $35?

see ya

bonnie

good god, what that woman does for us.....

she hates to fly and she is getting in that littel dinky teeny tiny plane?

i commend her.

with a newfound respect for emily all over again, and at the same time
thinking "what are they????? mental?????????????"-

karrie

ps. lisa, this has nothing to do with your brother's flying ability. i
just hate airplanes. ;)

i think one of my biggest pet peeves is when people spell sarah's name mc
laughlin...especially the people who claim they are huge fans and put it on
their aol profile pages...i looked at the cds...and right there big as
day...m-c-l-a-c-h-l-a-n..on every last one of them...

sorry to be such a pain in the butt but the girl is a world known musician...
what next ami rae? annie defranco?

couldja email me your web address for the ig page?

puter died, and i have lost it!

thanks!

karrie

hello, i'm looking for 2 tics to the louisville show 12/2...anyone have any
extra's they'd like to sell??

thanks-amy

hi y'all.
is there anyone who is going to the columbus show who has a couple extra
tickets?  or even one?  i'm asking for a friend of a friend, a pastor in
miami (that's ohio ya know) who hasn't seen them in a long time and she
really wants to go...i myself splurged on dayton so poor seminary student
that i am, i can't afford it....especially after knoxville, lilith,
dayton, several shirts, etc.
anyway if anybody can help she would really appreciate it!  email me
privately and i'll get with her.
thanks.  just for the record, i thought "basted in blood" ruled,
carnivore that i am.
heading southward to eat turkey,
beth
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how else can you react when you know something so unfair."
--ani d.

hi friends:

i learned friday i need a complicated surgical procedure on my left knee on
december 10. i may not be able to go to lilith in west palm beach. if so,
i'll offer the tickets to people on the list first. i have front stage, 8th
row tickets (tears, tears) :(

i hope to see everyone there, but it doesn't look good......

regretfully,

annie :(

i'm looking for boots of any (or all) of the shows this summer from the pier
in seattle. i'm not on the list anymore, so please email privately, if
anyone would be so kind? :)

thanks!

liz
nimiriel@geocities.com

okay, here's how the great greeting card exchange will work:

if you are interested, please e-mail me by november 29th (that's this coming
saturday).  i will collect all of the names i get and organize them into
groups of twenty (or so).  i will then send the names and addresses of those
20 people to the people in each group (ie: all 20 in group a to the people in
group a, all 20 in group b to group b members, and so on).  y'all can take it
from there, and send groovy holiday cards to the other people in your group.

don't forget to include your snail-mail address in your reply to me--it'll
save me the legwork of trying to figure out who i have them from and who i
don't.

peace and happy listening,
shelley

"i feel louder about everything now.  it's more than a coming-out experience
for me.  i never want to be quiet again - or subtle."
                                                         --amy ray

possibly the shortest message ever from mwa!

please e me privately if you know

xo, sus

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date: sun, 23 nov 1997 16:49:52 -0500
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all right!  i need y'all's help!  i have seen the girls like 4 times.
"power of 2" is my fave song in the world and i still haven't heard it at
a show!  it's like there's an evil curse aganist me!  anyway, i am going
to the columbus show a week from monday!  maybe if everyone wishes for
"karen to hear power of 2", they'll actually do it at columbus!  thanks
y'all!
:-) karen

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--indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
--indigo girls (amy)

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major minor
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i am desperately looking for boots of their greek theater shows from
july 5 and july 6, 1997. i am willing to trade. if anyone can help
out, please respond.

i guess this message is related to karen's post (the power of two karen,
that is....i'm prayin' for ya!)
the first time i ever heard the i.g. do "power of two" live was when
they did mountain stage in w.v. (nov. 4, '97 was anyone besides me
there?!  i wasn't a list member then, so i'm completely out of it).
i didn't know what to expect when i got the tickets - i knew it would
eventually be broadcast on the radio, but i never imagined that it would
turn out like it did. again, if this has already been discussed,
disregard my ramblings!
this dude in a red sport jacket was gettin' it on up on the stage,
singin' the "mountain stage" theme song (he was all serious and crap!)
with the "mountain stage" band when amy and emily came out to get ready
to play (they record this little musical interlude in between acts so
that there'll be no dead air time, i guess). so they're standing there
looking at him...he's singing, and the audience is laughing (well, we
were anyway! i think that most of the people were locals who went there
a lot, so they weren't even phased. they acted like they actually
enjoyed it!).  it's pretty funny though, because this guy was totally
into it, and closing his eyes and crap.  it wasn't even supposed to be
funny!
so, we're just hoping that this guy will shut his mouth and let them
play,   but he keeps going..and going..and going (singing about the
mountain streams & rivers and the birds flyin' free..blah blah blah).
they're still waitin' and we're still trying to hold in the snorts and
giggles ...before you know it, amy's face is beet friggin' red laughing
at this guy and resorts to covering her face with her mandolin. needless
to say, amy gave us the o.k. to completely lose it.  it was cute.
the point of the story...(yes i have one!). one of the first few songs
they played was power of two (it was beautiful of course!) - as soon as
it was amy's turn to join in with the harmony, emily's mike went nuts
and just quit.  all we could hear was amy bustin' out with her glorious
voice.  they didn't know it though, cuz their stage amps were blaring in
their faces.  they did the whole song that way and then we told them
that their stuff was frigged.  amy was completely embarassed - i think
she said somethin' like..."awwwww no!  then that musta been uu-gly! just
me, singin' alone and all out of tune with really bad harmony!"  it
wasn't ugly- i'd pay money to hear it again.  i'd have to say though,
that the audience covered emily's part rather well. :)
after many microphone changes (and some comic relief and a bit of
cursing) they recovered from their technical difficulties and gave us a
wonderful show! you've gotta love em!
so that's my story folks...the story of the first time i ever heard
"power of two."  thanks for listening!

(by the way...is anyone sure of the date and time that it'll be
broadcast?! i live in lima, ohio and i've heard that it will be
broadcast in athens (ohio)....but that's as close as it gets. i'd love
to get a copy of the show if anyone can manage to get a recording.
thanks!)

-bethany :)

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i've been asked what other tunes the girls did at mountain stage
(charleston, w.v. november 4, 1997). i didn't write down the setlist,
but i do remember what other songs were played. here goes!

get out the map
power of two
everything in it's own time (that one screwed up too!)
shame on you
don't give that girl a gun
chickenman
hey kind friend
galileo
closer to fine

then everybody (danielle h, kayce crowley, terri binion, merrie
amsterburg, the i.g., and the mountain stage band freaks!)did a
rendition of "let the good times roll." oh lord, that was pushin' it! i
wonder how much they had to pay em' to do that?!

like i said, that's not the exact order, but it's as close as i can
remember - there ya' go!

-bethany

in a message dated 97-11-23 19:11:20 est, bethany write:

<< the first time i ever heard the i.g. do "power of two" live was when
they did mountain stage in w.v. (nov. 4, '97 was anyone besides me
there?! i wasn't a list member then, so i'm completely out of it). >>

anyone got a boot of this show???? i've got over 100 boots to trade so i'm
sure to have *something* you want in trade.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
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thought," said rabbit, "only i didn't like to say anything,"
said rabbit, "that one of us was eating too much," said
rabbit, "and i knew it wasn't _me_," he said.  "well, well,
i shall go and fetch christopher robin."
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hey y'all,
    i'm seeking to expand my quote book and i'm looking to you guys
oh-wonderful-and-witty listees, for some cool funny/inspiring/just
plain cool/anti-complacency quotes or poems or anythings, in others
words, anything you've got that is cool.  thanks a bunch you guys!
y'all are the best!
        leah

i will soon be tricking y'all into thinking that i'm already leaving...but
don't you worry.
i opened a hotmail account, that my friend sarah and i (carol) are
sharing.

its gonna be chickenwomyn@hotmail.com

can you believe somebody already has chickenman as a name!!!
ok...
carol

so what do you think their part on the show will be?
if sarah's on too, could it be that ellen goes to lilith or something?
or will they be doing the theme song (which hasn't been done recently at
all--just the stinkin chair).
or could it be something better?

this is the perfect time for some of those script/fantasies.

i'm not in the mood to be creative.

...well if amy is busy with scully, then that leaves emily.

love,
carol

how quickly we forget...

this episode of mountain stage is scheduled to air on 12/20. go to
http://www.pri.org/4d.acgi$build_form

to find out if your local public radio affiliate carries the show. chances
are, a tape from the radio will sound better than an audience boot. but
hey, what do i know?

meanwhile, don't get your panties in a bunch...

bon

>
>anyone got a boot of this show???? i've got over 100 boots to trade so i'm
>sure to have *something* you want in trade.
>
>
>peace, harmony and indigo,
>
>tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)

bonster@u.washington.edu

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hey folks,

here's the latest info (all i could glean after a morning spent
on the phone) on the ig tour of australia:

21.2.98 - melbourne concert hall, melbourne vic
        (onsale 25.11.97 from ticketmaster)
22.2.98 - melbourne concert hall, melbourne vic
        (this show hasn't been officially announced yet,
        no ticket info available)
24.2.98 - queensland performing arts centre, brisbane qld
        (onsale as of this morning - 24.11.97 - from the
        venue)
26.2.98 - state theatre, sydney nsw
        (onsale 2.12.97 from firstcall)
27.2.98 - state theatre, sydney nsw
        (this show hasn't been officially announced yet,
        no ticket info available)
2.3.98 - adelaide sa
        (i called a bunch of places and couldn't find out
        bloody well anything - grr)
4.3.98 - perth concert hall, perth wa
        (onsale 1.12.97 from bocs)
6.3.98 - canberra theatre, canberra act
        (onsale 1.12.97 from canberra ticketing)

we'll be arranging get-togethers for the first five shows
plus canberra. (i'll be at the first five gigs but can't
make it to canberra.)

i also have some preliminary dar williams tour information -
she'll be here in the first two weeks of march 1998.  it
won't be a solo tour - the bill looks like it'll be dar, ani
and dan bern, plus a local performer to open (local content
laws and all that).  look for tour dates in melbourne, sydney,
brisbane, adelaide and perth between 10.3.98 and 14.3.98.
there may be other dates announced as well.  i think i will
be at the dar shows in melbourne, sydney and possibly brisbane.
all australian ig listers are expected to attend at least one
of these gigs. *grin*

happy as a clam,
sherlyn
---
sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [currently at work or someplace.]
"but the wall came down, and there they stood before me,
with their stumbling and their mumbling and their calling out,
just like me..." - dar williams

i know it exists, i saw it on my flight to la - very cool - looks alot like
the cover of the single - pretty gay positive, diverse - honest- well
done....so was it ever shown and did anyone tape it?
peace-
mike r.

hi folks,
could someone who has a better memory than me please post the set
list for the st. louis show? i guess i was too caught up in the concert
to remember :)

looking forward to cedar rapids,
steve

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date: sun, 23 nov 1997 21:46:32 -0500
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okay, this episode of x-files makes me wish that amy really was on the show
so that she could have saved that, um, interesting version of "joy to the
world" that scully just sang. if only it had been amy's head in her lap and
not mulder's, the song would have been much more beautiful :)

elizabeth

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~~~
"dreams, they rescue me."
-michelle malone, "blue suede"

"up on the watershed, standing at the fork in the road
you can stand there and agonize
till your agony's your heaviest load.
you'll never fly as the crow flies, get used to a country mile.
when you're learning to face the path at your pace
every choice is worth your while."
-emily saliers (from indigo girls), "watershed"

anyone know when this is gonna be aired?

~liz~

right on! bon - you rock! i think, just maybe, i can wait for it to air.

betsy

>how quickly we forget...
>
>this episode of mountain stage is scheduled to air on 12/20.  go to
>http://www.pri.org/4d.acgi$build_form
>
>to find out if your local public radio affiliate carries the show. chances
>are, a tape from the radio will sound better than an audience boot.  but
>hey, what do i know?
>
>meanwhile, don't get your panties in a bunch...
>
>bon
>
>>
>>anyone got a boot of this show????  i've got over 100 boots to trade so i'm
>>sure to have *something* you want in trade.
>>
>>
>>peace, harmony and indigo,
>>
>>tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
>
>
>
>bonster@u.washington.edu
>
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i want to apologize to everyone on the list about my comment the other night.
and i would definitely like to apologize to melissa (you know who you are).
i was totally wrong about the situation i feel so stupid. i just felt that
if i apologized to everyone it would make me feel a lot better. i was
totally out of hand and i am sorry.

in a message dated 97-11-23 21:38:26 est, asl@umcs.maine.edu writes:

<< so was it ever shown and did anyone tape i >>

it's on watershed, the indigo girls video collection! go out and get it
now!!!! :-) highly entertaining & has all the great ig videos you've probably
never seen before!!

little nigc_ isaw anastasia tonight & really loved it. thought dmitri was
very cute (for an animated person) & it helped that john cusack did his
voice... *sigh* can't wait to see what the so baptists gotta say about it. ;)
course it ain't disney, so...

peace,
rick.
rick cusack- has a nice ring, no?

hey y'all,

here's one little quote from that book with the ig interview: daughters of
the moon, sisters of the sun, by k. wind hughes & linda wolf.

linda: do either of you want to be mothers?

emily: no, but i could get the hormonal surge and want to tomorrow!

amy: i've wanted to, but i think i want to finish this tour first and then
think about it. i really wanted to have kids but i also had a
relationship that just ended that was like a seven-year marriage, and i
don't want to have kids in the context of being by myself. i think
being a mother would be a great experience.

i couldn't resist posting this one since i"ve never heard them talk about
this before (unless i missed it on the list), but go on and check out the
book anyway--i'm glad i bought it. lots of cool essays by teenage girls
trying to figuring out how to grow up and stay sane, and interviews with
such "mentors" as: ig, bella abzug, michelle akers, maya angelou, byllye
avery, angela davis, raine eisler, carol gilligan, jean kilbourne, wilma
mankiller, janet mccloud, anisa romero, starhawk, lindsay wagner, barbara
walker, and marion woodman.

and to whoever's transcribing and posting the book-talk, thanks! (and
hurry :)

--donna

hi,
does anyone have a boot of the mt. stage performance? after i heard
what happened on power of two i have to get that boot!!

-heather

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hi.  this is a bit old, but does anyone have a boot of either mtn. stage
(the "power of 2" one) or of the 13 june 1997 show in kettering, ohio at
the fraze pavillion.  i don't really have anything to trade, but i'd be
happy to send tapes and pay for postage or whatever.  please e-mail me if
you have either of these and are willing to make copies.  thanks so much
y'all!  7 days till columbus!!!!!!!!!!
:-) karen

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--indigo girls (emily)

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major minor
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hey everyone-

i was wonderin' if any of you have a boot of the september 16, 1997
h.t.e. concert at zembo temple in harrisburg, pa. if so i'd really
appreciate landing a copy of it...thanks!

-bethany ;)

i just have to second what donna said, "daughters of the moon, sisters of the
sun," is a wonderful book. i originally only bought it because the girls were
in it, but now i plan to pass it on to every woman i know. it's very positive
and moving, one might almost say "empowering"=). plus, it's got igc, so it's
gotta be worth the money!

-abby

ok, thanks to all the people who sent me replies about the
pocahontas thing - now i'd just like to reply to them (first, just
give me a few minutes while i get my asbestos suit on...... ahhh....
there we go.....)

right, to the people who were offended by disney movies because they
change the ending.....

these movies are for kids, right? kids who have probably got a lot
of growing up to do after they see the movie (whether it's
pocahontas, notre dame, or whatever.....). given a couple of years,
if they like the story, they're going to want to find out more about
it, they might even read the book, or the history, etc. it was
based on..... disney has to give movies a happy ending, because they
make stuff for families, and families like happy movies, and so they
pay money to disney to see their films, and disney, being a
commercial company and all, like to make money!!!! (sorry to rain on
somebody's parade, but that is just the way it is.....)

and onto the other point, about disney promoting the "perfect woman"
image.....

for crying out loud, kids, once they grow up a bit, will realise
that hardly any women look like princess jasmine or belle, and they
will slowly start to be influenced by real women, whether it's their
teacher, their mother or their friends.......

wow - i think i got through all that without getting really angry at
anybody - then again, i wouldn't take any chances......

john.

"where's the kaboom? there was supposed to be an
earth - shattering kaboom!!!"

marvin the martian.

for all who are going to be at the show on tuesday and wednesday,

i caught in someone's post that row f was sixth row. that's not entirely
true. the fox opens up the pit for concerts, so triple letters would
constitute as pit and the rest would be regular seating. don't worry.
for all who haven't been to the fox before, you can't get a bad seat.

take care,
sharon, who will be ushering the emily side of the pit on both dates.
the best 21st birthday present anyone could give. :)

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hey y'all
i've gotten the whole ticket dilemma solved now, but i have a new one, so
i thought i'd open this up to the list and hope there's a kind soul out
there.  is there anyone in the atlanta area who can offer me a floor to
crash on tuesday night?  i promise i'm no trouble, and i'll even bring
food as compensation, if you like.  if you want someone to vouch for me, i
can give you the names of several listees who can verify that i'ma
moderately sane person. :)  anyway...can anyone help????
*smile*
sue

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date: mon, 24 nov 1997 08:38:32 -0500
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doesn't anyone have a copy of the madison show? i'm dyin' here. if you
booted it or know someone who has, please, please, please (have i groveled
enough) email me privately. thanks!!

michael

hey folks,

as most of you know, i'm huge into no-flsh
photography at concerts (it must be mentioned
that i only saw two flashes at the mpls show.
thank you all.)....

to make a long story short, i developed my four
rolss of film and started printing and enlarging
and wow it's amazing how much more detail you
can get in enlarged prints....

when amy's singing r&j, just as clear as day you
can see the words "matchless" and some stickers
on the equip...and what are the stickers of you
ask? they are, from left to right, dana scully
, the x logo, and fox mulder.

now, if i can see that in photos taken from the
lower balcony, i'm wondering if anyone else
noticed that all without the aid of enlarging
equip. :)

amanda

ps sorry for the wasted bw, i just thought it
was amusing...amy prolly would play scully's gf...

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hey,

i'm looking for some help...my lover, christine,
lives in ga while i'm stuck in mn....she and i
are trying to find some colleges for me, in the
south (and yes, i was going to go somewhere in
the south anyways...)....

she's mentioned auburn, claiming that they're
pretty liberal, and have a really good science
program. i'm looking into bio/chem majors and
womyn's studies minor, i want to teach....thus,
i ask you, can you guys tell me anything about
the cost/campus/etc? and do any of you know if
i can est residency in ga and still pay resi
fees though auburn's in al?

any help would be great, thanks.

amanda

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i must be losing my mind at the old age of 24, i have the video, i just did
not remember it was on it - sorry for the confuzzlement!
mike r.

ok, if you don't like my rambling about my
photos just delete this now...

there are also some cups and cans of juice or
soda, and bottled water with them on stage...and
in the photos you can see the candles they lit,
looking pretty cool in amy and em's shadows...
and i found some more stickers too, and i think
they're also of the x-files nature. i'll ask my
pal tracy, she'll know...also, there's a pillow
there (a small one...)

ok, for the question now...two actually, why is
sara lee so skinny. m mom freaked and said she
looked anorexic. drugs (be still my disapointed
heart) or what? also, my mom asked "don't they
ever get older? how old are they now? they
look just as young now as they did on the cover
of their self-titled tape, which you, amanda,
still owe me for ruining...<large chunk of
mom-lecture missing>"

so anyways, anyone know why and why?

amanda

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date: mon, 24 nov 1997 09:29:26 -0600
reply-to: deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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at 08:26 pm 11/23/97 -0600, you wrote:
>hi folks,
> could someone who has a better memory than me please post the set
>list for the st. louis show? i guess i was too caught up in the concert
>to remember :)

this was sent to me by someone who was at the show:

thin line
least complicated
tried to be true
get out the map
shed your skin
you and me of the 10,000 wars
chickenman
hey kind friend
romeo & juliet
leeds
scooter boys
tangled up in blue
shame on you
galileo

--encore--
land of canaan
the band cover tune again (i know mike brenner posted the name but i
misplaced the email so if anyone still has it, please refresh my memory)
arcadian driftwood
closer to fine

deb

hey y'all-- this is from my school's lgbtu update. feel free to email
them at, oh, what the heck is the addy? olgbu@oberlin.edu ...? they give
you the addy in the text, use whatever they give ya. for those of you in
s. ohio, you might be interested in that march on cincy...write them for
more info.
jill
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date: mon, 24 nov 1997 09:59:51 -0400 (edt)
from: "oberlin lesbian, gay, and bisexual union"
 <lesbian/gay/bisexual.union@oberlin.edu>
subject: update

hi folks,

here's a big list of stuff. e-mail me or the person i mentioned in the
blurb for information regarding any of the topics you'd like more
information about.
aileen
e-mail coordinator

***
cover story of lavender magazine about chrysler's homophobia
***
national black lesbian and gay conference
***
the cedar lee theatre is showing "different for girls" through thursay,
november 27, 1997.
showtimes are monday through thursday 4:45 and 9:45.  adults are $6.75,
mondays all seats are $3, tuesdays, students with a valid i.d. are just
$3.  bogi will be driving on monday night.   e-mail her or rich naples for
more info.
***
to get the ball rolling, our first lunch discussion group will take place
this tuesday (the 25th) at 11:45 - 1:00 at the mrc.  the topic will be
"what is trans?"  unfortunately, there will not be any lunch provided, so
brown bag it.  e-mail bogi.latener@oberlin.edu for more info.
***
an update on outrage/oberlin's effort to lead a massive march/rally/demo
in cincinnati on valentine's day to protest cincinnati's
_unconstitutional_ anti-gay policy.  e-mail outrage/oberlin@oberlin.edu
for more information.
***
the first-ever "until it's over e-march" on washington.  to commemorate
world aids day, monday, december 1st, 1997.  write for more info.
***
a poll of high school student leaders shows homophobia
***

***
here's an excerpt from an announcement forwarded by sarah meckler:
subj: the american boyz present true spirit conference '98
the best western-maryland inn, laurel, maryland, february 20-22, 1998
featured speakers:
yosenio lewis
black latino f2m who will be speaking on inclusion and diversity issues
spencer bergstadt
f2m lawyer who will be speaking on legal and political issues

the organizing committee of true spirit conference '98 invites all gender
variant people on the f2m spectrum, and our significant others, friends,
families, and allies to come celebrate the spirit within. the three-day
event will include:
*workshops with panelists reknowned in the gender community
*a latin/club dance with dj calico rechy
*peacock pageant
*a film festival
*a swim party
*informal caucuses
*health screening and information
*transgendered readings by authors and playwrighs (last year we had leslie
feinberg, minnie bruce pratt, laura antoniou, cecilia tan, gary bowen, and
many others)

write for more details....

***

sorry if this is kinda screwy, but i'm on a funky editor. and by the way,
don't forget about the up and coming day without art.

love
aileen

yeah, she is!  but i'm thinking she's just one of those people naturally
*blessed* with a thin body no matter what...unlike myself, heh..not that
i'm complaining, though.  your body is your temple.  love it and glorify
it, cause they are all beautiful, from a strictly art point-of-view, as
well as from a cheesy daily affirmations point-of-view.  :)  heh.
jill
(waiting...and waiting...to take a shower but the cleaning lady--who btw
is convinced that all us students are rich brats and i think she really
wants to beat us with her broom--this i'm getting from the dirty looks she
gives me daily whenever i try to say good morning---anyways, she is taking
*forever* doing god-knows-what in there, cause it never really looks clean
anyways...)
p.s. i had a *date* on friday nite!  aaaahhhhh!  that's a scream of joy...
this awesome gal i'd been wishin' and hopin' for asked me to go see carmen
with her....
still in shivers from how she kept leaning in to read my program's
translation, like, every 3
minutes....oooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
(this update is for becky steele...  the 'stupid ex' can go f*** herself,
i guess.  but i doubt she'd want to--she wouldn't put up with the head
games she could play on herself, heh...:))
jilly

yes, the clothes make the man.
but the woman makes the clothes.
so what does that make the woman?

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on mon, 24 nov 1997, john bond wrote:

> ok, thanks to all the people who sent me replies about the
> pocahontas thing - now i'd just like to reply to them (first, just
> give me a few minutes while i get my asbestos suit on...... ahhh....
> there we go.....)
>
> right, to the people who were offended by disney movies because they
> change the ending.....

um its not just ending they change everythign as i mentioned hera hated
herc and she wasnt her mother this did not need to be changed its in every
mythology book and yes kids read those disney hates mothers try to think
of a disney movie where there is a mother and if there is one she isnt
evil or wicked the only one that springs to mind off the top of my head is
the lion king and the mother there had a bit part

>
> these movies are for kids, right? kids who have probably got a lot
> of growing up to do after they see the movie (whether it's
um who says they are just for kids i know many adults who go see them

> pocahontas, notre dame, or whatever.....). given a couple of years,
> if they like the story, they're going to want to find out more about
> it, they might even read the book, or the history, etc. it was
yes but you said the key word here might and if they dont then they are
totally missinformed all their life

> based on..... disney has to give movies a happy ending, because they
> make stuff for families, and families like happy movies, and so they
> pay money to disney to see their films, and disney, being a
> commercial company and all, like to make money!!!! (sorry to rain on
> somebody's parade, but that is just the way it is.....)
um who says they have to have a happy ending what abotu old yeller

> and onto the other point, about disney promoting the "perfect woman"
> image.....
>
> for crying out loud, kids, once they grow up a bit, will realise
> that hardly any women look like princess jasmine or belle, and they
> will slowly start to be influenced by real women, whether it's their
> teacher, their mother or their friends.......
>
um john not all women will realize that and once it gets ingrained in your
brain its hard to get it out why do u think folks complain about barbie
all the time and why her measurements are being changed now

> wow - i think i got through all that without getting really angry at
> anybody - then again, i wouldn't take any chances......
>
> john.
nothing wrong wiht a good healthy debate
anthony

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date: mon, 24 nov 1997 07:46:47 -0800
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> yeah, she is! but i'm thinking she's just one of those people naturally
> *blessed* with a thin body no matter what...unlike myself, heh..not that
> i'm complaining, though. your body is your temple. love it and glorify

maybe this is rheotorical, but why should it be a "blessing" to have
a skinny body?

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i just noticed that ticketmaster is listing this saturday's venue as "house
of blues" as opposed to the orange county convention center. has anyone
else heard of a venue change??

deb

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>>according to spinradio, fair founder sarah mclachlan and
the indigo girls will be stopping by to shoot an episode on december 4.<<

does anyone know when this will appear.

> amanda and jill?????
>
> ummm..maybe sara thinks she looks just fine!!!!!( i think she looks hot,
> but sara didn't ask me so i'll keep my mouth shut..)
> btw..jill..we are all real glad to know your ex can go f**k herself...i
> was real concerned about that
>

i love this list and all guys, but please!!! i came back from a three-day weekend and i have twenty digests!! this is too much. can we cut it down a bit? please? us compulsive types can't just delete them without reading every one of those puppies...can we please stick to igc for a few days?

urvashi pitre, ph.d.

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on mon, 24 nov 1997, amanda shopa wrote:

>
> ok, for the question now...two actually, why is
> sara lee so skinny. m mom freaked and said she
> looked anorexic. drugs (be still my disapointed
> heart) or what?

maybe she's just naturally skinny.  another example of that would be
michelle malone.  i remember seeing sara in the b 52's love shack video
and she was skinny then too.  also, my mom weighed in at less than 100
pounds until she got pregnant with my brother when she was in her
twenties.  *and* i remember a girl i went to school with from elementary
to high school who was always very skinny.  she tried to gain weight, but
she just couldn't.  i'll believe it's just sara lee's metabolism before
i'll jump to any conclusions about drugs.

peace,
amy

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okay. here's the story. i noticed the same thing as deb this morning. i called the house of blues and asked what was up. the concert has been moved. (i don't know when they were planning on telling the people with tickets this. was there going to be a note on the door of the convention center?) the show is now general admission, which means that everyone who stood in line and got great seats are now in the same boat as the people who didn't. anyone have any idea why they would do this, and has anyone ever been to the house of blues?
-lauren

yes, the girls were rockin' as usual on saturday...sorry i haven't been
able to post until now but i haven't been online since friday.

was good to meet other list folk - sorry we didn't get to chat long but we
had a few unexpected guests with us...almost had an unused ticket until
the last minute.

anyway, toye contributed a good post about the show...don't have too much
else to add except doesn't the fox rock? i love that place...i think
every seat in there is great. (saw stomp over new years in the third
balcony and although they were small, the seats weren't bad!)

did anyone hear me yell "romeo!" really loud when emily walked off the
stage? my sister was pretty impressed that i knew what song was coming
next...i was like, "c'mon...it's obvious!" :) i'm psyched they played
tangled, too, 'cause my sister and bro-in-law had only heard the dylan
version...they seemed to like the girls!

one thing i did miss was hearing dgtgag...i saw them play it in davenport
in march and would've loved to hear it again...oh well.

and i can't believe they were in the loop! (the u.city loop - cool, fun,
diverse area of town with neat shops and restaurants...i grew up there...)
and i was on the couch! aarrgh! i could've been hanging out with emily
and sara (amy said she was at the ymca playing a few pick-up games of
b-ball)...and i was being lazy. oh well...it figures.

but still the fact remains...great show!

oh - funny comment about amy's attire...my sister said she was dressed
like my brother did circa 1975...navy blue "rustler" cords and a sears
special shirt with the big ol' collar...(i couldn't see the pattern from
where i was sitting) - she had the "retro" look goin' on!

-sarah, now having to wait another 2 years before they return....

hi folks - is anybody familiar with this band - belloluna - who are
available through daemon records? the blurb in daemon's catalog
indicates ig play on the cd, and the write-up sounds kind of intriguing.
so, since the list (collectively) knows-all and tells-all, who can fill
me (us?) in on these guys???
peace-nic
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i know that toye and sarah already posted about this show, but i wanted to
add a little.

our little list meet was fun. toye, sarah, and even the non-listees . .
.it's nice to put some faces with those names. and toye, you're more that
welcome for the concert newspaper, it was no trouble.

and i must now second sarah's opinion on the fox. it's an unbelievable
place. so beautiful and detailed! and even though i was in row cc, the
seats weren't all that bad.

can i say how thrilled i was to hear thin line?  for the first song too,
yay!!  you and me of the 10,000 wars was ever so beautiful, and a bit of a
surprise too.  and hkf was so sweet.  in the middle of it, i dedicated it
to joni, my best friend.  she helps me remember who i am, and i'm ever
grateful.  romeo and juliet . . . well, what can i say but it just melts
me when amy sings "when we made love *i* used to cry . . ."  though there
was no soc in scooter boys, they did a little instrumental thingy that
rocked!  amy looking so into it, eyes closed tight and swaying, rocking,
swaying (as i swooned, oh my).  and then for a bit on the encore, the
song, arcadian driftwood?? wow.  i was talking to danielle howle about it,
and she said they learned it 2 days before the st. louis show.  btw, i
can't rant and rave enough about her and the tantrums.  they are the most
appreciative people when it comes to the fans.  more on her later, in my
next post about the warrensburg show . . . (yes 2 shows, 2 days in a row,
talk about indigo ecstacy!)  but back to this show, even though i'm a bit
more of an amy-person (just slightly, well . . .), i have to say that
emily just rocked it out the whole show.  a few times, she was bending
over, pounding hard on her guitar, and her voice was so beautiful and
cristal clear.  amy had her moments, but it was just emily's night, and
wow was it great to see her really get into it for a change.  not that she
doesn't usually, but the passion, anger, and pain on stage really does it
for me.  a bit disappointed that there was no soc in either chickenman or
scooter boys, but the instrumentals in both songs were a blast.  as far as
amy's shorter hair goes, sexy as ever!  when she has her head bent over
and shaking it, her hair just flies all over, cute as can be.  anyone
think she looks a bit younger with it?

like toye mentioned, waiting after the concert for them, was kinda surreal
to me.  there was the girl with her guitar playing indigo songs, and all
these people singing along who didn't even know eachother.  that's what i
love the most about real ig lovers, it's just such a friendly time when
we're together.  and seeing emily only 5 feet away from me was nothing to
complain about.  she was so sweet and beautiful.  road tripping, seeing
emily, and more road tripping made it the best night of my life.  thanks
if you made it this far, sorry it's so long--just so excited.

---still in indigo afterglow,
kelly s

hi all,
i just heard my local columbus, oh radio station, cd101, announce that the
girls are going to on the show for an interview monday, dec.1, the day of
the columbus show. they have no definite time, apparently whenever they
arrive in town and make it to the studio. happy listening!
lisa

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

i know i just posted about st. louis, but i also have to go on about
warrensburg.  as far as amazing things go, last night blows my mind.  we
got there a little early, so of course we went to the back to try to catch
the girls at the bus.  they were inside doing a soundcheck.  i met some
nice people, (imagine that at an ig concert) and in waiting around, there
was this big group of people doing organized indigo cheers!  while they
were occupying themselves doing that, i saw amy leave the building and get
into a van.  so i walked in that direction by myself.  the van pulled
right past me and amy was in the passenger-side.  i put my hands together
in a praying motion (i don't know why, my hands had a mind of their own),
and amy waved at me as she went by.  wow, can she be more amazing?
probably.

well, the show started and danielle howle and the tantrums opened again.
like i said in my last post, they are amazing people.  i got their t-shirt
and cd.  she has such a cool voice, kinda rough but unique.  she's so
peppy on stage too.  you can tell she's genuinely thrilled to be
performing for us and opening for the ig.  then on to the ig part.

the setlist:
--------------------
least complicated
three hits
get out the map
shed your skin
ghost
tried to be true
it's alright
don't give that girl a gun
tangled up in blue
joking
leeds
scooter boys
hammer and a nail
shame on you
galileo
-----------
encore:
r&j
arcadian driftwood
closer to fine

between st. louis and warrensburg, i got to see all my necessary songs
except for cut it out and down by the river.  3 hits was amazing.  emily
once again had an "amazing voice" night, and made ghost so very personal.
i loved hearing it's alright, quite a surprise to me.  now, for dgtgag,
how much more intense could it get?  amy's eyes shut tight, half bent
over, and on slower parts swaying with the look of painful peace.  i
practically fell over into convulsions.  wowee!  it was the best song of
the night imho.  scooter boys rocked me again, and once again, instead of
a soc, they did an instrumental jam.  it kept going on and on, more
amazing by the minute.  it was kind of slow and painful, but in the end
amy was back to pounding, and finishing it off with a glorious leap in the
air.  oh my, yay!!  hammer and a nail was ever so sweet.  they had me
worrying about r&j when they left the stage for the first time, but of
course, amy came out by herself and started the encore with it.  both my
roommate and my friend loved it.  not to mention me of course.

after the show, i was of course in back again waiting for them to come
out.  in the mean time, i saw sulli (y?) standing there smoking and
drinking a diet coke.  it was so crowded and everyone was looking at the
doors waiting.  so i thought that would be a good time to talk to sulli.
i called out her name, and she looked over.  i said, "can i have a guitar
pick, pleeaase?"  she said, "ask me in about 15 minutes."  then others
started shouting to her too, so she went back inside for a few minutes.
then the girls came out and waved, but no signing.  i got a couple
pictures, but with my luck with cameras, i know they won't turn out.  as
soon as they got on the bus, the crowd completely cleared.  even the ones
who said they wanted a pick.  we were the last ones left standing there.
i stood around, and i began to think that sulli just said that to blow me
off.  i'm ashamed i had those thoughts. my roommate and friend were like,
"she wasn't serious, etc." but they
aren't on the list and know how cool sulli is.  just when i was starting
to lose hope, i see sulli walking towards me.  she says, "see, your
persistence paid off.  i just couldn't hand out pics (picks?) b/c there
were too many people and they'd all want one."  she hands me a pick that
has "indigo girls" printed on one side and "get out the map" on the other
in a shimmery print.  the pick was white.  she also gives one to my
roommate and my friend.  then she say that the picks were just made, and
that they are "rare" b/c only about 40 will ever exist!  wow!  we talked
briefly and then i wished her/them luck and we started to leave.  then i
saw danielle howle coming out the door.  so i took my new cd over to her
and my friend brought his shirt, and i asked her if she could sign it.
she looked so thrilled and happy.  she said,"oh, you bought it?  oh wow,
thanks!"  she looked so completely sincerely grateful.  she got her other
band members to sign too, and we all talked for about 10 minutes about
their past, and the tour, and about amy personally helping them with
daemon and touring.  it was fantastic!!!  they were so down to earth and
the "carrot top" looking guitarist (you'll know if you see them) was so
talkative and happy to be there.  they are the coolest people.  i really
recommend their music.  it's like rock-folk, more rockish then the ig with
a southern twist.  really cool.

between the two concerts on consecutive days (st louis and this one),
seeing emily 5 feet away, amy waving at me from 3 feet away, sulli being
great with the picks (i can't go on enough about how cool and really nice
sulli is), and chatting with danielle howle and the tantrums, the weekend
was the best weekend of my life.  so many amazing things happened in so
many ways, even aside from the concerts.  unbelievable.  now all i need is
to meet the girls personally and talk with them, then i would be the most
happy girl in the world.  oh, and witnessing an amy soc wouldn't hurt me
either.  ok, sorry again for the long post, i'm just way too excited.
thanks for reading it.

peace, love, and all things indigo,
--kelly s (still more in indigo afterglow!!!)

helloooo-  does anyone happen to have a boot from the september 22 honor
the earth concert in savannah ga?  or the set list?  i would appreciate
if someone could hook me up with the set list....email me privately --
chickenwomyn@hotmail.com (or my other account scrane@online.emich.edu)
and as for the boot, i'll send you tapes or $$, which ever you prefer.
my friend saw this show...and i thought i'd get her a boot for a nice
little present (and of course a copy for me too!)  ......i'm new to the
list (as of yesterday) and i'm lovin it!
--thanks y'all
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the belloluna scoop!

belloluna is a wunnerful, lush, piano-based lounge-y pop sort of band.
their music is characterized by very upbeat arrangements paired with
intelligent, sometimes painful lyrics.

they can go from this swingin' sound into a funky santana beat and then
right back into a searing, nay, stinging rock sound.

the album is super terrific, and if you buy it, you'll get to hear amy
and grady cousins singing alien vocals. no, really, they sing in these
really funky pitches to sound like aliens. it's cool!

think ben folds five with more attitude. and, if you're in the atlanta
area, you can go see them play live and hear new music that's not even
on the album! my personal favorite has to be "i wanna be like martha" -
a paean to martha stewart.

john c. brand is the effervescent, utterly charming, sexy,
piano-playing, lead-singing songwriter for the band, and he's a super
keen guy, too! go see them play! go tell john he rocks! go buy their
album!

there are lots of cool guest musicians on the album (ig, cooper seay,
michael lorant, and grady cousins) and all the guest vocals on the album
are quite clear, incl. ig, which i personally like - i mean, if you're
going to have guest vocals, you should be able to distinguish the guest,
know what i mean?

also, more info and a far better description of the band than i can come
up with can be found at:

http://monsterbit.com/daemon/belloluna/index.html

there also are soundbites on the audio/video daemon page:

http://monsterbit.com/daemon/daemonav.html

so, in conclusion - belloluna rocks. definitely buy the album - not just
great music, but also genuinely nice people. it really, truly is
pleasant music for (and from!) nice people! and the liner notes are
really fun, too!

personally, i think it's one of the best bands on the daemon label, and
i love just about every daemon band so . . .

peace, y'all!
nb

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        the gay and lesbian victory fund, "the only nat'l organization
whose sole mission is to increase the number of qualified openly gay and
lesbian public officials" has three candidates who have advanced to
runoff elections:
        annise parker for houston city council (runoff 12/6)
        *malcolm gideons for atlanta city council-d1 (runoff 11/25)
        *cathy woolard for atlanta city council-dd6 (runoff 11/25)
        that's tomorrow, atlanta people!

ten of the victory fund's fifteen openly gay candidates won
their races on nov. 4, an 83% win rate.
just thought people might be interested...

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

in a message dated 97-11-24 10:59:34 est, you write:

<< > based on..... disney has to give movies a happy ending, because they
> make stuff for families, and families like happy movies, and so they
> pay money to disney to see their films, and disney, being a
> commercial company and all, like to make money!!!! (sorry to rain on
> somebody's parade, but that is just the way it is.....) >>

okay, i've been a little put out with all the nigc lately, but i just
couldn't let this one go by.  i'm in one of those families that disney is
apparently making "stuff" for and i can tell you that there is no more rigid,
conservative creature on the planet than a 4 year old.  and the attitudes and
preconceptions that are being planted in my child's head now will be there
for many, many years to come.  that's why my husband and i are trying like
hell to make sure that even the language we use is open, loving, tolerant and
non-judgemental. it's hard enough to teach a little boy that anybody can be
and do anything without disney constantly reinforcing images of powerful
males and females in need of being saved.  i'm not anti-disney on all fronts,
but if the disney world-view is all a child ever sees or what a child watches
on video 6 or 7 times a day (yep, that's how often some of my son's little
friends watch lion king or snow white in one day), then i believe that he or
she will have a very narrow picture of what people are like in all their
wonderful complexity and diversity.  balance is the key and you just don't
find much of that in disney or any other children's movies for that matter.
i'm not holding my breath for the first chubby girl to headline!!!!

flame on if need be, but even though disney has some great employment
policies, we can still be clear-eyed about the disney world view and about
the consumerist culture they are imposing on our kids. i recognize that it's
my job as a parent to counteract those things, and believe me, i take that
job very seriously!

pam

i was paging through the new bgp (baltimore gay paper) and lo and
behold, came across "indigo girls' lyrics more overt on sexual
orientation in 'shaming'". the article is pretty long, so i don't want
to waste bandwidth if people don't want to read it: its about half "this
is not your father's oldsmobile" type discourse on how this isn't the
same band the author's mom used to listen to, half review of the umbc
concert. not bad, except a glitch where she writes that "saliers drew
respectful silence as she played "leeds," utilizing her newly obtained
piano skills" - leeds wasn't in the set, winthrop was.
it also has two concert photos, black and white.

anyway, if anybody does want to read it, i will offer
a) to snag a copy of the paper (its free) for anybody who wants the
article itself, in exchange for postage.
b) i can put it on my computer, so anyone who wants it, i'll send it as
an attached file.
please, if you e-mail me about this, be patient, since i'm leaving to go
visit my parents for thanksgiving tomorrow and amy (whoops, that was
meant to be may) not be able to check e-mail before sunday.

sarah
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hi,
it has come to my attention that i will be able to go to atlanta
for one of these shows, and if those of you who were offering to sell
tickets still are offering, i would appreciate it if you would let me
know. please!

nelson
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oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu wrote:
>here's my weenie-brain thoughts on this, greg: i don't think the advocate has
>ever, ever given decent press to lesbians.

i think they give lesbians a disproportionate amount of attention given that
women are such a small percentage of their readership (at least as evidenced
by their annual readers poll and letters to the editor). if more women bought
and communicated with the mag i'm sure they'd shift their focus even further.
but i've been a subscriber for years and always found it to be extremely
worthwhile, the best way to keep up with news of concern to queers in the us,
and even around the world. the perspective the advocate brings is general
enough that it would only be a detriment, imo, to segregate gay news from
lesbian news -- i think we'd better off not even drawing that distinction.

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wait i'm confused!!!! ihave row d thats not the 4th row. i'm about to cry.
row d is ok though?-chelsea

at 12:42 pm 11/24/1997 gmt, you wrote:
>for all who are going to be at the show on tuesday and wednesday,
>
>i caught in someone's post that row f was sixth row. that's not entirely
>true. the fox opens up the pit for concerts, so triple letters would
>constitute as pit and the rest would be regular seating. don't worry.
>for all who haven't been to the fox before, you can't get a bad seat.
>
>take care,
>sharon, who will be ushering the emily side of the pit on both dates.
>the best 21st birthday present anyone could give. :)
>
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hi...lilith fair has updated their website to include some ig highlights.
the items include an interview with a&e in which amy talks about their
lilith moment (available as a mov. or wav. file), a video from the
vancouver show in which they sing "acadian driftwood" (the band cover
they've been performing with danielle howle and the tantrums) with sarah,
shawn and lisa loeb. and an audio snippet of "the water is wide."

i have a t1 connection and each video took about a minute to download, so
if you're running anything slower be prepared to wait. but if you haven't
heard the harmonies in "the water is wide" or "acadian driftwood," you'll
like what you get when you're done waiting.

to get to the files go to <http://www.lilithfair.com/main.html> and scroll
down to "lilith 97 highlight."

i'm sure my show stopping ctf tambourine solo will be coming to a website
in the near future (doesn't everything eventually get to the web?), but
until then the files above will have to suffice ;)

deb

hi folks...i hope this hasn't already been covered, but since i've
been unable to receive list mail today i have no way of knowing...
anyway, i asked my brother (who lives in orlando) what house of blues
is like...the following is his response:

>
>house of blues. equivalent to hard rock cafe only much much bigger.
>hundreds of tvs. you can watch the group perform in one part of the
>club and eat dinner in another. i think you might even have one in
>that backwater of civilization called chi-town! you should since the
>operation is >partly owned by my chicago homey and blues enthusiast
>dan akroyd.
>actually the name is a bit of a misnomer-- they have all sort of >types
of groups play there. even have a 'gospel brunch on sunday >mornings and
afternoons. although i doubt they would preach too much; >except maybe
to repent of glutony.

so, there you have it. my bro's take on house of blues. personally, i
don't think it sounds too appetizing (in terms of watching ig), but who
knows...
peace-nic

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this was a wonderful book to read..well worth it!

okay ya'll, we (sarah and carol) opened a hotmail account for the sole
purpose of this lovely listserv.  we wanted our name to be
chickenman@hotmail.com.  somebody out there had already taken it.  we
then decided that we wanted to know why somebody had that name.  here's
the reply.
cute, eh?
>
>
>i have been chickenman for 35 years. i had a chicken business until
last
>year. i sold out, now i just travel the caribbean. so just call me old
>sult chickenman.      yours truly
>                              chickenman
>
>>here's what we wrote------>
>>
>>okay!!  whats the deal here!!!  we wanted to use that name!!!
>>just one question please...why did you choose this name?  do you just
>>like chicken, or does it have anything to do with the indigo girls
song
>>of the same title?
>>don't be angry at us because we covet your name...we love you just the
>>same!!
>>
>>love,
>>  sarah & carol
>>
>>ps--i am an only child...
>>you are my only one.
>>pss--write us please--we are curious.
>>psss--chickenman lives on the road to austin (athens?)
>>pssss--nothing is for sale---its my front yard!!!
>>
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i am in search of greek boots as well! i would be happy to trade or send a
sase.
peace,
diana

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hi folks,

i, for one, can verify that sue harney is a *very* sane person!  she
came to my pre-lilith fair list party and i thought she was a pretty
nifty person. :-d  and, if i lived in atlanta, i would gladly let her
crash on my floor/couch!  so there ya have it...

peace and cool listfolks,

joan :-d

i like their music

btw ..dee schulman is right!!!!!( happy now?)

hey everyone....
i was just writin' again to see if anyone out there taped the dayton
concert...i would really love to give it someone for christmas...and of
course would love one for myself! if anyone could help me out at all i would
be very grateful!!

oh! i would also like to say that i'm all for indigohio!!!

one last thing...and that will be it...i popped in swamp ophelia (at poets
inticement..:o) and was listening to reunion. does anyone get these lyrics?
i'm most interested in the whole "i have no need for anger with intimate
strangers...and..i got nothin' to hide..." i have some ideas, but i'm
interested in ya'all's thoughts! (sorry if it's been brought up before!!)

6 days, 22 hours and 14 minutes until columbus...
see all ya'lll indigohioans there!!!!
~meaghan

hey everyone,

if there's anyone out there with 1 or 2 tix to the boston show i'm searching
for some tix. looks like i might be going solo to this one so if anyone
wants to meet up let me know! thanks!

ilana

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on mon, 24 nov 1997, pam myers-morgan wrote:
> and do anything without disney constantly reinforcing images of powerful
> males and females in need of being saved.
i have to absolutely agree with pam.  before leaving for school, i had
worked at a day care as an after-school dropoff program 'camp counselor';
i had a homeroom of 3rd graders.  it made me absolutely sick to see these
horrible stereotypes and ideals these kids already had in their heads:
that girls were weak and silly and dumb, that boys were burly and bossy,
that gay people were sick and scary.  i fought every day to change at
least one child's mind; i especially worked with the girls on esteem and
empowerment issues, like trying to explain to them that they *don't* have
to be cheerleaders, that it's cool when girls are smart, that they can be
whatever they want to be, etc.  i mean, i really tried, and it usually got
through to them, because they liked me a lot and listened to what i talked
to them about (i have my suspicions that they liked me just cause i
dressed really odd-- "wearing weird" as one little girl called it--and
seemed to be goofy and on their level.  what this says about my own
maturity, i don't know, but i don't really care either!  yaay immaturity,
right, carol?).  the boys were especially homophobic.  whenever an older
kid (maybe 4th grade) would see some rather young ones (like 1st graders)
doing those goofy little things that first-grade boys do, like hug or hold
hands or whatnot (yes, they *do* do that, they just learn to stop real
soon, unfortunately.  socialized to be macho), the older kid would start
yelling out, "look at the fags!  eew!  ick!" and everybody else would
chime in, "gross!  sickos!", etc.  i would actually take the gay-bashing
kid aside after class and talk with him, ask him, "do you know what 'gay'
means?  why do you think it's bad?  is it *wrong* for two people to like
each other?  no?  okay, then, what's wrong with two boys liking each
other?" etc, etc, until they understood the reasoning.  every single child
exposed to me was absolutely aware that of all the insults they would use,
they were *especially* never ever to use the 'f' word--"faggot".  and if
they heard another child use it, they'd tell them not to say it.  i fought
my own battle against homophobia, all the while scared that i would get
fired if a child told his parents he *got in trouble* for not viewing gays
in a positive light.  i guess what this comes down to is, kids really *do*
pick up on what society and their parents tell them.  and if a parent lets
their child watch disney things that are chock-ful of the weak, helpless,
beautiful woman- stereotype and the image of the man as protector and
savior, they are going to internalize that and carry it with them.  this
past summer i had a homeroom of 1st graders; i had to share the teaching
duties with this ridiculously ditzy stupid asinine blond girl i graduated
with.  she has absolutely no sense of things like this, and she adores all
things disney.  what did she decorate the classroom walls with? disney.
what special day did we have?  disney character day.  what was our class'
name?  yeah, you got it:  the disney room.  well, anyways, one day this
girl had a coloring contest of, of course, disney characters.  what just
killed me was that she handed out xeroxes of the big scary dragon and
hercules to all the boys, and xeroxes of the impossibly thin-waisted and
buxom princess to all the girls.  none of the kids said anything to *her*,
but they later told me that it upset them that this girl assumed no boys
wanted to color in the picture of the "pretty lady" and that none of the
girls would like to color a dragon.  and that really hurt, that this moron
(and she *was* a moron; when i called her above actions to her attention,
she said i was wrong, that i was reading too much into the male-female
social roles.  of course, she didn't use as big of words as that.  and she
continued to do other such 'repressed' things in the classroom, like
using pink for girls and blue for boys, denim for boys and lace for girls,
etc.  i made bathroom passes and used non-gender-specific colors (blue for
girls, green for boys) and all the kids were like, "why is the *girls'*
blue?  that's not right!  girls get *pink*!  ya see, folks, they are so
stuck in these unhealthy sex roles and stereotypes, and it's up to us to
break them from it.  there are dumb people out there who see nothing wrong
with perpetuating the ward cleaver style of society, with the woman in a
fluffy dress, in the kitchen and whatnot.  you need to *actively*
challenge these roles and make certain you can positively affect at least
one child in your life.  they don't have to be your own.  just do it.
and if you feel disney propaganda is perpetuating and enforcing these
gender roles, then for the love of pete wells (hee hee, any old-school
sassy readers remember that one?), stay away from disney.  give 'em a
book, maybe _danny has two daddies_ or something.
i'll get off my soapbox now.
jill

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robert arkin wrote:

> wait i'm confused!!!! ihave row d thats not the 4th row. i'm about to cry.
> row d is ok though?-chelsea

and i have row u....is that horrible???

sharon

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the ig (well, em) played the last show at the house of blues,the now famous
(and i think i'm kicking myself in the butt for now going) rock for aids 2
boots. so the indigo girls on the house of blues would rock!
jmho,
mike r.

who is that band on the new holiday gap commercial? and who is that
drummer???

hey everyone!

just a quick note to say that i'm trying to keep track of everyone      who
might be interested in coming to the columbus list meet on
monday!  don r & lisa t are both gonna be otherwise unavailable to
keep track of who may be coming... so i will "attempt" to keep a list
going and keep everyone informed of what we decide.  so, if you aren't
getting any info yet... drop me an email and i'll put you on the list.

that's about it.
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on mon, 24 nov 1997, meaghan mccurdy wrote:

> hey everyone....
> i was just writin' again to see if anyone out there taped the dayton
> concert...i would really love to give it someone for christmas...and of
> course would love one for myself! if anyone could help me out at all i would
> be very grateful!!
>
> oh! i would also like to say that i'm all for indigohio!!!
>
> one last thing...and that will be it...i popped in swamp ophelia (at poets
> inticement..:o) and was listening to reunion. does anyone get these lyrics?
> i'm most interested in the whole "i have no need for anger with intimate
> strangers...and..i got nothin' to hide..." i have some ideas, but i'm
> interested in ya'all's thoughts! (sorry if it's been brought up before!!)
>
> 6 days, 22 hours and 14 minutes until columbus...
> see all ya'lll indigohioans there!!!!
> ~meaghan
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i read somewhere that amy wrote "reunion" in response to a high school
class reunion she went to. she went with a friend and when she got done
talking to people, her friend would say, "that person hated you in high
school". even though, they were perfectly pleasant to her at the reunion.
("no need for anger with intimate strangers"). i believe it's in the faq,
if i'm not mistaken.

amy m.

> who is that band on the new holiday gap commercial? and who is that
> drummer???

that would be (and i'm not going to spell this right)

luscius jackson.

i don't know much about them. they have two albums (that i know of)
come from chicago (i think) and the beastie boys helped them get their
start.

as for the drummer, you'll have to ask someone more luscius than
myself....

-s

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 00:44:58 -0500
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i saw them on pbs the other night! that drummer certainly *is*
something, isn't she?

amy ;)
on mon, 24 nov 1997, l&s wrote:

> > who is that band on the new holiday gap commercial?  and who is that
> > drummer???
>
> that would be (and i'm not going to spell this right)
>
> luscius jackson.
>
> i don't know much about them.  they have two albums (that i know of)
> come from chicago (i think) and the beastie boys helped them get their
> start.
>
> as for the drummer, you'll have to ask someone more luscius than
> myself....
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>who is that band on the new holiday gap commercial? and who is that
>drummer???
>
>--

i'm pretty sure that's luscious jackson. love the commercial. and i think
the drummer is...luscious jackson's drummer.

(sorry...)

justin

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on mon, 24 nov 1997, <joan madewell> wrote:

> who is that band on the new holiday gap commercial? and who is that
> drummer???

yeah, she's a hotty.

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i accidentally just deleted a bunch of stuff so i forget who asked the
original question about the band and specifically the drummer in the gap
ad.  i haven't seen the ad myself since i don't have tv.  (i have a tv,
but no cable, which round here means no reception at all)
   however, several people have said the band is luscious jackson in which
case the drummer is kate schellenbach who started out playing with the
beastie boys.  there was a cool interview with her in curve magazine back
in the spring.  i'm pretty sure i have it somewhere so if anyone would
like a copy, that could definitely be arranged.

-colleen

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hey....my name is brett!...
we just had a cancellation from one of the people who was supposed to go
with us to the concert with us today! the 25th of nov.
we have 1 ticket to sell for the sold out concert tonight at the fox
theatre in atlanta, i am not familiar with the fox theatre but when we
bought the tickets the ticket guy said that the "dress section" was a
prefered section. the ticket says it is in row e left dress section which
is amy side. again i am not familiar with the fox i am just going from
what the ticket salesperson said about the tickets, he said that they are
good. we are asking $ 33.00 for the ticket. we live in huntsville al. and
we are planning on leaving from here tommorrow at 1pm for the concert at
8.
so...if you are interested please email me at home at
(patterso@nichols.com) or call martha between 9am-1pm at (205)880-8270. we
hope to hear from someone and we will answer any other questions you have
when we hear from you.
peace!
brett and martha

hey all!

just a little question for y'all.  a local music store here in ann arbor has the
entry: indigo girls (video) written under new releases in their latest ad
supposedly coming out on december 9th.  of course the people working there have
less than a clue.  i know there was talk about a new watershed as well as a home
video of the great woods ppv.  does anyone know what this thing might be.  is it
so obvious that i missed it?  let me know if you've got that all important clue
and want to enlighten me...

marivel

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"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...beautiful...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah."
"does that sound a little muddy to you?"

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really this is ig related! :)

last night i went to a fiona apple concert. now i know she's been cast as a
teeny-bopper alt-rock babe, but (*cliche alert!*) i've listened to her album
before it went big, and i _love_ her voice (2 a.m. smokey jazz bar/billy
holliday), plus the fact that she writes her own stuff with an implied
knowledge beyond her years.

but i have to admit, even after a 1 1/4 hour concert, i left kinda unimpressed
-- not because it was bad, but because she has fallen prey to her image. with
the exception of 3 covers (jimi hendrix, jimmy cliff and one which i didn't
know) and a great solo rendition of "pale september", it was her album by
rote, i.e. i could have just popped in the cd and saved the price of the
ticket. and unfortunately, her lack of stretching is probably because she
wants to give her fans what they want, rather than show what more she can do.

which brings me to the ig content: i can't _wait_ until dec. 4 when i see ig,
because i know they don't just reproduce their songs, but actually add
something new, whether its soc or extra instrumentals or different solos or
whatever. thank god they got their start playing gigs in bars, rather than
just recording a demo, slipping it to a record company exec and becoming an
overnight phenom.

anyone from their early days (i first saw them in concert during the first
honor the earth tour) -- have they grown as a live band, or did they used to
do the same "reproduce the album" thing?

*********
paul zastrow

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greetings from a loyal indigo girls fan and a mommy!

this is my first post, and hopefully not a first for the list.  i shutter
to think that i may be the oldest listee! i'm a 46 year old mommy, a
full-time college student (junior, psych major), and divorced.  i have
three of the most wonderful children in the entire world! their names are
melissa sunshine, 20, allen, 16, and april marie, 11.  my children give me
tremendous joy and my love for them grows as each day passes.  i am truly
blessed to have such great kids!

melissa turned me on to the girls.  she said, hey listen to this tape; i
think you'll like it.  a love connection was made immediately, and now i'm
hooked.  my cool daughter has taken her ol' mom to see tori amos, sarah
mclachlan, and to the lilith fair for my birthday.  but her crowning
achievement to date, was taking me to an indigo girls concert at umbc. (if
you were there, i was the one singing, dancing, & sweating more than anyone
else!)  it was the most fun that i have had in sooooooo many years!  okay,
so the last two years of my life have sucked.  i am eternally grateful to
my beautiful daughter melissa for bringing the girls into my life!  the
indigo girls make me smile and sing everyday.

melissa is an indigo girls fan, but she loves tori amos!  april was not an
immediate convert, but none the less, she is now an ig fan!  april's fav cd
is 1200 curfews, as well as mine.  melissa's fav is swamp ophelia.  my son
allen, what can i say?  he's a typical 16 year old male.  unfortunately for
him, he has to listen to the girls cause they play 24/7 in our humble
abode.  if we're not singing, we must be sleeping!  (we rival the partridge
family!)  i tell my son that when he's a parent he can torture his kids
just like my parents did to me and i'm doing to him.  hee hee!

in closing, i must mention the list and say *thanks* to all the terrific
listees! everyone is sooooo nice and i look forward to reading the posts
after toiling away with my college endeavors.

take care, have fun, & thanks everyone, barbara

p.s. special thanks to twinkle toes for the friendship; you're a real cutie
pie!

   *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
                   *all right, one second here*
                     *cause yes, i'm still here*
                       *i never gave you hell*
   in the immortal words of someone we all know and love!
                       bcorrice@wam.umd.edu
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   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
                   *all right, one second here*
                     *cause yes i'm still here*
                       *i never gave you hell*
   in the immortal words of someone we all know and love!
                       bcorrice@wam.umd.edu
   ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

okay idiot question alert!!!

does anyone know who usually writes out the setlists?  in my little library of
lists, the same person has written all of them, but i can't make any brilliant
matches between the 1200 curfews lyric insert and other handwritten stuff i can
access (except that it's *not* amy).  so if you have any ideas, let me know,
otherwise tell me to stop obsessing about stupid details and do some work for a
change.  thanks for your time...

marivel

"oh! oh! check. one, two. liberty! love!"
"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...beautiful...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah."
"does that sound a little muddy to you?"

--immortal words from someone we all know and love...

i've been thinking about this - although disney are responsible for
the portrayal of the image of the perfect woman, i don't think you
can only blame them.....

many types of media (whether it be tv (baywatch, etc....), music (in
gb especially, the amount of little girls wanting to be the spice
girls is amazing....) and magazines (e.g. cosmo, vogue, etc....))
put across the image of the perfect woman, as they have been doing
for many years.

although this is a terrible thing, often leading to food disorders
such as anorexia and bullimia, you can't really just charge disney
with doing this. if you're going to start blaming people for showing
the perfect image, there are a lot more people out there who need to
persuaded.

sorry for the waste of bw,

john.

"where's the kaboom? there was supposed to be an
earth - shattering kaboom!!!"

marvin the martian.

hey guys,

sorry i didn't mean to make you all think you had bad seats. like i
said, you can't get a bad seat at the fox. anything close to the
beginning of the alphabet in the single alphabets is good.

have a good time tonight.
sharon

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>who is that band on the new holiday gap commercial?

luscious jackson <http://www.grandroyal.com/bands/lusciousjackson/>

>and who is that drummer???

kate schellenbach, former girlfriend of josephine wiggs (from the breeders and
the josephine wiggs experience
<http://www.musick.com/grandroyal/bands/josephinewiggs/>).

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i know this has been covered, but i didn't pay much attention because i'm
not going to the orlando show, but some friends are. i just want to be
sure i tell them the correct info because i'm sure they know nothing
about this.
so, the show that was once going to be at the orange county convention
center is now going to be at the house of blues and is now general
admission? does the show start at the same time?
thanks,
kim

ps--i can't remember anything about it, but last night i had a dream with
amy, emily, and michael lorant. weird.

just thought y'all might like to know that u of western ontario (canada)
has launched a new program, gay and lesbian studies. this is a first up
here. they also will be launching a web page with gay and lesbian links
around the world.
chains

hi, does anyone have a couple of tickets for sale for the dec. 2 show in
louisville?

here's the deal on the house of blues show....

i spoke to both ticketmaster and house of blues. they *will* honor the
original convention center tickets, so if you have a ticket, you are at
least guaranteed admission into hob.

apparently it was decided at the last minute that ig wanted a more intimate
venue. the hob is a nightclub sort of atmosphere, where you can order food,
drinks, etc. there are seats, but the majority of the venue is standing
space.

show starts at 7:30, apparently ig will hit the stage around 8:30.

lisa

did anybody read this? its the review/bio on the wall of sound page.
kind of pisses me off. people can have their own opinions, but amy does
such a good job with r+j.

>>saliers and ray released their next studio album, rites of
 passage, in mid-1992. the group's most heavy-handed effort, it
 features some solid material, but is hampered severely by a
 misguided reworking of dire straits' "romeo and juliet." the album
 stands as the one instance in the duo's career where the need to
 express their sexual preferences defiantly compromised their
musical good sense. <<

sharon

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        i just talked to the people at the house of blues again.  they are just as confused as we are.  the lady originally told me that the doors open at 6:00 and the opening act takes the stage at 7:30.  then she went to double-check and found out that the doors open at 6:30 and there is no opening act.  ig are supposed to start playing at 7:30.
        i asked again about the seating.  she said that unless you're sitting at the bar, it's standing room only.  any thoughts from you listees experienced with these kinds of shows on how early i need to get there to get right up in front of the stage?
                                                                -lauren

i didn't say she didn't think she looked fine.
i know of several women at my school who think
they aren't too skinny, and that they look fine;
however, the rest of society/medical
establishments think they are too skinny, as you
can see in the fact that they were/are
hospitalized for anorexia.

if you knew which picture i was talking about
you would know that sara does *not* look
healthy. skinny and healthy are not the same
thing. i'm not saying she is anorexic, i'm just
saying she's looking damn close to anorexic,
and, it was my nursing student mom who first
noticed this.

amy, i agree with your comment...
jill, i admit, i was worried about you and this
ex-gf deal, but it's nice to see you're handling
it well... :)

amanda, who feels bad that she even started this
whole mess.

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> > amanda and jill?????
> >
> > ummm..maybe sara thinks she looks just
fine!!!!!( i think she looks hot,
> > but sara didn't ask me so i'll keep my mouth
shut..)
> > btw..jill..we are all real glad to know your
ex can go f**k herself...i
> > was real concerned about that
> >
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>if you knew which picture i was talking about
>you would know that sara does *not* look
>healthy. skinny and healthy are not the same

well...everyone used to say one of my cats had
worms because he looked to them to be too
thin but it turns out that that is just his
body type and he is perfectly healthy.

meaghan mccurdy <mccurdymmm@aol.com> wrote:

>one last thing...and that will be it...i popped in swamp ophelia (at poets
>inticement..:o) and was listening to reunion. does anyone get these lyrics?
>i'm most interested in the whole "i have no need for anger with intimate
>strangers...and..i got nothin' to hide..." i have some ideas, but i'm
>interested in ya'all's thoughts! (sorry if it's been brought up before!!)

if you think something may have been brought up before, the first thing to
check is the faq (frequently asked questions); the url for the faq is in every
message you get from the ig list. the ig faq includes a section for each
album addressing song meanings, and here's the one for "reunion":

=-=-=

14.4. what is "reunion" about?

at a concert in philadelphia on december 3, 1994, amy said, "i went
to my high school reunion about a year and a half ago... it was a
weird and ambivalent experience, because i had actually had a good
time in high school and emily didn't.  so i went expecting the best
and... i had this friend, sort of, that i went around with.  every
time i would go up to someone and give 'em a hug or shake their hand
or something, my friend would take me over to the side of the room
and say, 'you know, that person you just hugged over there, they
hated you in high school and made fun of you every day.'  and i was
like, 'shit!'  so i just learned - i chalked it up to experience and
felt like it didn't really matter and i could be friends with anybody
anyway.  so this is a song about faith in yourself."

=-=-=

also, a lot of people have been asking for tour dates and set lists. deb
reiser has done a great job keeping her "shaming of the sun tour archives"
<http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html> up-to-date with those things,
so please make good use of her hard work!

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i wasn't going to fall into the nigc posting trap, but had to comment on
at least one thing jill wrote in her post, to wit:

>like trying to explain to them that they *don't* have to be
>cheerleaders

ok, for those of you who have yet to hit this, i'd like to say that
a very weird thing happens when you have kids and they want to do things
you don't understand. in my case my very, very bright daughter,
at 13, decided she wanted desperately to be a cheerleader.  i thought,
yuk, why would she want to do that, and almost screwed up a chance to be
supportive by telling her how "inane" cheerleading was.  luckily,
my husband stepped in and pointed out that just because *i* couldn't
relate to that stuff, didn't mean i should thwart her in something
she truly wanted to do. after all, she plays all kinds of sports, is
athletic in every area, so why shouldn't she try the cheerleader gig?
this made me stop and re-think my prejudice against such things.  kinda
like when she was thinking she might like to go into nursing and i
wanted to say, "don't do that! go to med. school!"  except luckily i
found out (just in time) that she was expressing a desire to emulate her
much loved aunt jeri - a nurse.  so we have to be on the lookout for our
own innate prejudices. it's tough, sometimes.  you guys can't imagine
how hard it is for me to look at my daughter in these girly-girly
outfits and not say, "find some jeans!  get yourself some
boots, not those silly pumps!"  we have to let them find their own
way...as parents, that is.  i agree that it's important - especially
when employed in teaching or other related fields - to counteract rigid
stereotypes however.  alright, i'm off the soapbox now.  carry on...
sorry for the nigc.
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i am freaking out to the point that it's tough to get it together to write
coherently.  it was just announced that the girls are playing the cd101 big
room the day of show, which means them, their guitars, 50 or so fans and
catered lunch. to win you have to listen to the lunch hour show and be put
on the guest list.  all you columbus folks listen hard to your radios.  i am
outta town thurs through sun, so i only have today and tomorrow to possibly
get in.  pray for me, or if anyone gets in and has an extra seat, remember
who gave ya' the info!!! i am beyond excited about this possibility!
lisa

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

i just wanted to throw my hat in the ring with greg about the recent
article in the advocate.  i got mine yesterday and i also assumed there
would be something.  especially since its focus was on lesbians and
they're ability to be more out than men.  come on - we're talking both of
the people in the group are out lesbians.  get with it advocate!

tiffany

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 12:52:39 -0400
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hey everyone-
i just felt compelled to write the list and share my first ever "bootleg
listening" experience. today i received tuesday's children & color me
grey after much anticipation and frantically ran to my thingy to put the
tape in - i don't know if i have a serious case of p.m.s. or what but i
was bawlin' like a mother by the time "wysteria" was over.  i was
sitting there thinking "look at me! i'm an idiot! why am i cryin'?!
somebody slap me!"  but it just kept on until the very end.  that early
stuff is amazing - i don't think that it gets much better than that ;)
and so now, i'm listening to "color me grey" trying to hold in my
outbursts... and wondering where this stuff has been all my life...
i'm sure this post is waaay overdue and that all of you went through
this some time ago -  it's all new to me!  all of these years that i've
been listening to them, i never realized that there had been so much
going on back then.. this s**t is the best...

-bethany ;)
oh yeah...one more thing - i noticed on my sleeve listing (of tuesday's
children) that one of the songs that should be "annie's song" is listed
as "danny's song." i don't know if they're all misprints, or just mine.
just thought i'd let you all know that!

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hey!
just wanted to let you all know that although i was on the i.g. list
maaany months ago, i've only been a "recent" list member for the last
couple of weeks or so.  so you're all saying, "and we're supposed to
give a rip, why?!" and i'm saying, well, you don't have to care, but i'd
appreciate it if you did. :)
so, here's the thing.  i remember a loong time ago reading about some
sort of list member i.g. cover tape - where list members (or just fans
in general?) covered i.g. tunes.  i'd really like to get a copy of it(
or them. i think that maybe there were 2 of em?!) and i'd like to
propose that we start another.  i don't know how many of you are
interested...maybe none of you, but i thought it might be a good
suggestion.  i'd put it together if anybody would like to take me up on
the idea.
a college roommate and i have spent the last two years of our lives
bustin' our a**es learing indigo girls stuff and we were just wondering
if anyone else out there was doing the same thing.  :)  i think it'd be
really cool to share it.
e-mail me if you give a crap...

bethany

ummm...yeah, annie's song?! that's the last time i'll do that. i'm
thinkin' i'm gonna be a badass and then i turn out lookin' like an
idiot. disregard my not so helpful statement...i don't know what the
f**k i'm talkin' about. :)

bethany (oh god, i'm so red ;)

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 12:08:55 -0600
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i just popped in my copy of that bootleg in after a long time of not
listening to it as well as blue food and purple parrot... good stuff...
they sound so different but so good... makes me remember why i love this
band (:
peace...
bugg (:

>nancy drew wrote:
>this episode of mountain stage is scheduled to air on 12/20. go to
>http://www.pri.org/4d.acgi$build_form
>to find out if your local public radio affiliate carries the show.

hi all,

i know it's a little early to be worrying about this, but i can't help
myself. no station within a 200 mile radius of me carries this show. will
someone out there tape this and offer up a tree for those less fortunate?
or at least offer to copy it for me? :)

thanks!

cheryl thiede
cheryl@discover-net.net

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 13:20:57 -0500
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okay, folks, all of my branches should have their tapes by now, so if you'd
like a copy of the dc hte/no nukes show (a full description is in the message
included below), please make arrangements with the person associated with your
birthday month. sherlyn is going to be the australian branch, but if there
are others outside the us who want the tape, i'm hopeful that you'll be able
to come to a satisfactory arrangement with the person associated with your
birthday month. the only stipulation i have is that *no one* can make a
profit or *require* a trade for these tapes -- anyone should be able to get
them by sending blanks and an sase, though it would be nice to arrange a trade
if you can.

my original announcement called for a 90-minute and a 60-minute tape. the
90-minute turned out to be a tight squeeze on some tapes, so i'm suggesting
that branches use 94-minute or 100 minute tapes to avoid cutting off the end
of either side.

please be patient with your branches, many of us will be celebrating holidays
this week and won't be accessing e-mail.

here are the no nukes branches:

jan    jlucero@mail.monmouth.com
feb    indigofrk@aol.com
mar    aaogilvie@aol.com
apr    rmullins@ucla.edu
may    bonster@u.washington.edu
jun    delastraw@aol.com
jul    robsweeney@aol.com
aug    janice_stevens@pagenet.com
sep    resa@ipeg.com
oct    kla@aloha.net
nov    hac@mail2.quiknet.com
dec    cbergquist@gvhs.org
australia    sherlyn@fl.net.au

branches should use the following addresses for overflow; if you receive more
requests than you can handle (and please take care of at least the 10 you've
committed to), please refer those folks to srvptt@dakotacom.net if you're a
jan-jun branch, or to nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu if you're a jul-dec branch.

i remastered the umbc tree this weekend, and it came out really well. details
on that tree to follow later in the week, or perhaps next week. (please note
that requests to be branches for the umbc tree which are sent prior to my
announcement will be discarded without response.

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-----original message-----
from: deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
date: tuesday, november 04, 1997 6:08 pm
subject: dc "no nukes" boot tree announcement

>i finally finished cleaning up my boot of the dc no nukes / hte show (9/24),
>and it sounds great! so i'm putting together a tape tree. if you're
>interested in being a branch, and you understand how tape trees work (sorry,
>i don't have time to respond to requests for info), and you have adequate
>resources to make *good* copies in a timely fashion, please reply to this
>privately by 5:00pm est thursday, 11/5. be sure that the words "no nukes"
>are in your subject so my filter will catch it. now here are the details:
>
>this is an excellent audience recording, and i tweaked it a bit to bring the
>levels up. it is about 130 minutes, which i broke into a 90-minute and a
>60-minute tape (to avoid using odd-length tapes that some may have trouble
>finding). i am *only* offering this as a complete set. jude
><hunterj1@aol.com> has already offered the ig part of the show that she
>taped, or you can always dub my tapes down to your own preferred length.
>
>i don't know a lot of the jackson browne or bonnie raitt songs, as indicated
>below with ?s. if any of you know the names of these songs, let me know.
>(i'll send out as complete a j-card as possible.)
>
>tape 1:
>
> jackson browne
> -------------------------------------------
> the crow on the cradle (?)
> the next voice you hear
> world in motion (with bonnie -- outstanding!)
>
> indigo girls
> -------------------------------------------
> shame on you
> burn all the letters (w/ulali)
> tried to be true
> get out the map
> scooter boys (w/john trudell)
> [ulali]
> shed your skin
> galileo
> chickenman
> closer to fine (w/bonnie and beth neilsen chapman)
>
> bonnie raitt
> -------------------------------------------
> color of roses (beautiful beth neilsen chapman song, a capella)
> baby i love you (?)
> road's my middle name
> come to me
> back to mother earth (?)
>
>tape 2:
>
> bonnie raitt (cont'd)
> -------------------------------------------
> dimming of the day (yes, the richard thompson song)
> sand and water (beth neilsen chapman, w/ bonnie)
> rainy day man (yes, the james taylor song)
> when you get home (?)
> thing called love
> angel from montgomery (w/ig -- see comments below)
> bury my heart at wounded knee (all - w/ bonnie's slide guitar)
>
>i'm not a huge bonnie raitt fan, but i like her quite a bit, and her set was
>really excellent. bonnie was very talkative; ig were not.
>
>i think bonnie and ig doing "angel from montgomery" is reason alone to have
>this show. highlights include emily changing the lyrics to "when i was a
>young thing / i had me a cowgirl..." it was *really* hard not to laugh into
>the mic at that! and the harmony between the 3 of them that closes the
>song... awesome!
>
>so, if you want to be a branch, send me a message with "no nukes" in the
>subject and i will notify you *only* if you are selected as a branch. if
>you are not selected as a branch, i will make an announcement for leaves
>when i've sent all the tapes to the branches.
>
>hope you all enjoy these tapes as much as i do!
>
>--
>deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo

i stopped by timewarner to pick up the equipment for the lf on ppv - it
was more expensive than the ig ppv in june. cost was $20.95 for the
converter rental & the concert. be wary of sticker shock if you're in an
area where you can see the concert.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

at 12:15 pm 11/25/97 -0500, tiffany james wrote:
>i just wanted to throw my hat in the ring with greg about the recent
>article in the advocate.  i got mine yesterday and i also assumed there
>would be something.  especially since its focus was on lesbians and
>they're ability to be more out than men.  come on - we're talking both of
>the people in the group are out lesbians.  get with it advocate!

i too got my issue of the advocate yesterday (say greg, why is it that you
got _your_ issue last week??). i mentioned to my gf that the mag did an
article on lesbians in rock and didn't mention ig. well even my sweetie,
whose heart wouldn't skip a beat if ig stopped recording and putting on
shows replied, "well that doesn't make any sense!"

i could understand over-looking more traditionally known "women's music"
artists such as heather bishop, cris williamson, ferron, etc., but with
ig's success and in particular their recent impact on lilith fair, not
mentioning them in the article seem to be an oversight that can't be
justified.

deb

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 14:23:42 pst
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i don't want to beat a dead horse, but i just have to say that at the st. louis show sara lee looked, let's see, skinny is not the word that comes to mind! she was wearing black leather or vinyl looking pants and a little black t shirt. i'm not a "sara person," but i even commented to one of my friends about how sara was looking extremely hot that night.

anyone else see her and know what i'm saying?

toye

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i think it is available online via real audio -
(actually - i know it is - joan morrison lives near the radio station and
she taped a radio b'cast that was on the same station) but don't bug joan -
if it is online you can listen to it - or wait until it get's tree'd -
inevitiably it will - it is heard all over the nation-
mike
*who would put it up in real audio format if he wasn't so worried 'bout
getting sued 8^)*

--- you wrote:
get with it advocate!

tiffany
--- end of quote ---

peeps! am i imagining things/smoking crack again/hallucinating/eating too much
cheese when i say that the advocate did a *big* article on the goils about
three months ago called "mood indigo"??? i swear, i have this article....didn't
it come from the advocate? does anyone know what i am talking about or am i, as
usual, sitting in the corner playing with my trucks?

sus

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 15:12:22 -0500
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lucious jackson was on the secret samadi tour this summer with live.  i
saw them play before live at hershey.  you either love them or don't like
them at all.  i personally don't care for them...to each his own

(i like live much better, awesome r/r band)

hugs, karen

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susan b. marine wrote:
> peeps! am i imagining things/smoking crack again/hallucinating/eating too much
> cheese when i say that the advocate did a *big* article on the goils about
> three months ago called "mood indigo"??? i swear, i have this article....didn't
> it come from the advocate? does anyone know what i am talking about or am i, as
> usual, sitting in the corner playing with my trucks?
>

sus- you may be smoking too much crack and eating too much cheese...but
the article does exist!!! it was not quite a whole page long...but still
it exists =)

~lynda

i've often thought we need to come up with a low-traffic dfw or texas list
or at least a "distribution list" (a colleciton of addresses we could
share) for discussing get togethers and regional shows.

but, there dosen't seem to be any problem with seting this stuff up on the
main list. maybe we just need to make a roster of folks in / around texas
rather than a separate mailing list.

what suggestions? ideas? comments? also, what other regional lists are
there? how have they worked out?

in service,
tony
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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 14:07:01 -0700
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on tue, 25 nov 1997, susan b. marine wrote:

> --- you wrote:
> get with it advocate!
>
> tiffany
> --- end of quote ---
>
> peeps! am i imagining things/smoking crack again/hallucinating/eating too much
> cheese when i say that the advocate did a *big* article on the goils about
> three months ago called "mood indigo"??? i swear, i have this article....didn't
> it come from the advocate? does anyone know what i am talking about or am i, as
> usual, sitting in the corner playing with my trucks?
>
> sus
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yes, sus, you are indeed correct. pretty sure it came from the advocate,
although, whether or not i'd call it *big*, i'm not so sure. it was a
page, if i'm remembering correctly, during the summer, the end of june, i
do believe.

yours from the indigo planet,

amy m.

hi,

can all people who i am supposed to be buying tickets to the canberra show
in march for please email asap so we can arrange money? i'm buying the
tickets with my visa first thing dec 1st and i have to have the money
beforehand or else my visa won't cover it since i have to buy tixs for
family and friends here too which could amount to an awful lot of
money....i really want to be able to get tixs for everyone so to help me
out, please talk to about this really soon...

write to me halbans@dca.gov.au.......

thanks

helen

hello from seattle !
the pacific northwest (pnw) listers put together a sub list of the main ig
list about a year ago.  we asked all ig listers who lived in washington,
oregon, idaho or anywhere close by, to send in their email addresses.  i
compiled the list & still maintain it (i mean a actual list of names, not a
list serv).    i know for many of us here in seattle it has come in really
handy - planning for trips to nearby states for ig concerts (and just
vacations).  getting tickets & accommodations.  we post about local artists
& their concerts - talk about ig & music too.  we also have many "honorary"
non-pnw members too.  lots of folks come to visit the major cities of the
pnw & they like to hook up with the local ig listers.  it has worked very
well for a lot of us & many good friendships have started because of our pnw
sub list.  i has also helped keep our local news from wasting bandwidth on
the main ig list.

by the way, if there are any of you pnw listers that are new to the main ig
list & want to join the pnw sub list, just drop me an email & i will add you
to our ever-growing pnw sub list.  anyone, anywhere are welcome to join our
list.  hope to many of you out here in january for the west coast ig tours.
:)  please come out & share ig with us -  west coast style!!   ;-)

thank you friends!
lynn in seattle :-)

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> from:         tony at mendina[smtp:mendina@utdallas.edu]
> reply to:     tony at mendina
> sent:         tuesday, november 25, 1997 12:41 pm
> to:   indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject:      creation of a regional list?
>
> i've often thought we need to come up with a low-traffic dfw or texas list
> or at least a "distribution list" (a colleciton of addresses we could
> share) for discussing get togethers and regional shows.
>
> but, there dosen't seem to be any problem with seting this stuff up on the
> main list. maybe we just need to make a roster of folks in / around texas
> rather than a separate mailing list.
>
> what suggestions? ideas? comments? also, what other regional lists are
> there? how have they worked out?
>
> in service,
> tony
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i'm going to have to agree with toye on this one.  i saw her at both st.
louis and warrensburg, and she looks fine.  ya, she's a little skinny, but
that's just our sara.  also, she looked so happy at warrensburg too.
alright, i'll pass it on now . . .

kelly s

did anyone boot either of these shows? if so, will you puhleeaase let me
know? privately if you will, to save some space. thanks!

-kelly s

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 17:26:21 -0500
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houdy,
is there going to be a listee meeting tomorow night before the show? i
would like to meet all of you indi-fans. let me know.

crickett

hey list,
  stephanie from uva here, at home in cincy after an amazingly fast 6.5 hour
drive from charlottesville (no, i wasn't going 90 the whole time, what makes
you think that?) i think i about killed the guy i was driving home...my
discman thing to plug into the tape player doesn't work and we had to listen
to tapes the whole time.  my tape collection consists of : indigo girls
bootlegs, two dar tapes, and two mixes from 1989.  i don't think he was
turned into an ig fan after listening to them for 6 and a half hours
straight.  home already sucks, so i have to escape into the safe haven of
e-mail...at least my ig catalog thingy was waiting for me when i got here.
for all those who don't have it : big news, emily's current favorite cd is
missy elliot's "supa dupa fly", for some reason i find that hilarious.  and a
little nigc, but i had to share the two funny things that happened at daycare
with you - i work in the three and a half year old room, and one of the girls
came up to me and pulled on my sleeve and said "stephanie! you have a shiny
thing sticking out of your head!" (referring to my eyebrow ring).  and then
another girl came up to me later and said "stephanie, will you take me
inside?  i had an accident" and i said "sure" and she said "i have extra
pants, but i don't have any underwear so i have to go commando."  a 3 year
old girl said this!  and a not so cute kid thing...my 13 year old brother
called me at college about a week ago, for the sole purpose of telling me
that he "hooked up" with a girl who was in a commercial and is a model.  i'm
really trying to stop my brothers from being selfish, insensitive jerks who
only care about women for their bodies, but it doesn't look like it's
working...i guess that's kind of related to the whole disney discussion.  but
i did see "the little mermaid" in the theater last weekend and cried.  i love
that movie...someday i'll have a prince eric just like that (bad dar
reference there).  sorry for the nigc, but i'll probably be posting a lot
over the next few days because i'll be bored out of my mind.
                             ig love,
                             stephanie

in a message dated 97-11-25 14:11:47 est, you write:

<< the group's most heavy-handed effort, it
 features some solid material, but is hampered severely by a
 misguided reworking of dire straits' "romeo and juliet." the album
 stands as the one instance in the duo's career where the need to
 express their sexual preferences defiantly compromised their
musical good sense. <<
 >>
is it just me, or does this make no sense? first of all, just because a
musician covers a song that was written from the opposite sex point of view,
since when does that mean that they are "defiantly" expressing their
sexuality? when i first heard rop, i didnt even know that amy and emily were
lesbians, and hearing r&j didnt exactly clue me in. in fact, i had no idea
that emily and amy were lesbians at all until someone told me, i think that
they didnt really represent that side of themselves openly until sots.

erica

"we are like flies crawling across the ceiling of the sistine chapel..."--w i
thompson

hey everyone,

wow!  two within a month!!  i've just checked ani's tour page (
http://www.flemtam.com/ad-itin.html ), and these are the dates listed for
ani in australia.  i don't know how definite they are, but i just rang the
venue for brisbane, and they said tickets would be on sale in a couple of
weeks.  i don't know about other states though...

7/3/98 port fairy folk festival 1998, port fairy,aust, 035-225-1232

10/3/98 national theatre, melbourne,aust 03-9525-4611

11/3/98 the metro, sydney,aust 02-9264-2666

12/3/98 tivoli, brisbane,aust, 07-3852-1711

13/3/98 governer hindmarsh, adelaide,aust, 08-8340-0744

14/3/98 fly by night, perth,australia, 08-9430-5976

excited again!
shelley

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 19:18:37 -0500
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i've been listening to a lot of boots lately with early versions of scooter
boys popping up as soc's in chickenman (demo tour especially). what a
unique surprise to listen to champoeg or 7/9/97 and to hear scooter boys
with chickenman as the soc!

also, does anyone know about the mercury lounge,new york city tape from
6/2/97, was this a bar/lounge? did people have tables etc? just curious
from what it wounds like on the tape.
thanks
lori

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 19:46:36 -0500
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nancy humphries wrote:
>
> i stopped by timewarner to pick up the equipment for the lf on ppv - it
> was more expensive than the ig ppv in june. cost was $20.95 for the
> converter rental & the concert.

- i have the equipment already as i'm a cable subscriber but the ig
ppv was $15.95, ... warner told me last night that the cost for the lf
ppv is only $3.95.
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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 17:31:28 -0800
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hey, does anyone know when tickets go on sale for these, and what kind of
venues they are at? thank you!

> 1/27, 1/28, 1/29 - bay area
> 1/30 - santa barbara
> 1/31 - los angeles
> 2/1 - san diego
> 2/2 - san diego or phoenix

wendell

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 17:46:10 -0800
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hey, barely anyone responded to my post about getting together to play
guitar. maybe there aren't that many listees from southern ca, but i
don't believe it. i think it would be really fun! don't you?......

anyway, write back if you are interested (it won't be a commitment or
anything). i live in valencia and have 3 guitars, so even if you don't
have an instrument and just want to come along to sing or whatever, we can
find a niche for you.

wendell

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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 12:54:07 +1100
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hey folks,

shelley listed these dates for ani difranco in australia:
>  7/3/98 port fairy folk festival 1998, port fairy,aust, 035-225-1232
>  10/3/98  national theatre,  melbourne,aust  03-9525-4611
>  11/3/98 the metro, sydney,aust 02-9264-2666
>  12/3/98  tivoli, brisbane,aust, 07-3852-1711
>  13/3/98 governer hindmarsh, adelaide,aust, 08-8340-0744
>  14/3/98  fly by night, perth,australia, 08-9430-5976

this is the tour i posted about before - ani, dar williams
and dan bern. all oz ig listers are expected to go to
at least one of these shows, or answer to me for it. *grin*

it should be noted though, that the port fairy folk festival
is completely, utterly and truly sold out.

i had some igc but i can't remember what it was - damn.

sherlyn (who just came back from lunch and would like to
report that the weather in sydney is stinking bloody hot)
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with their stumbling and their mumbling and their calling out,
just like me..." - dar williams

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sorry folks:

just wanted to make sure all who are interested get this info...
cuz i did have one person's email addy wrong & don't want anyone
to miss out! (sorry to waste bandwidth!)

forgive me,
twink!
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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 20:37:31 -0500
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hey everyone!

here's the scoop... we are leaning towards meeting at the spaghetti
warehouse (397 w. broad st.).  they do take reservations of more than 10
people... but will not seat our party until like 75 percent of our party
arrives!  so, i need for everyone to let me know if they plan on coming
to the list meet for sure!  and, if so... how many people are in your
party... and what time do you expect to arrive?  we are thinking of
making reservations for like 5:45 or 6:00 - is that a good time for all
of you to reasonably arrive there?  we are thinking we might be cutting
it rather close if we make it any later.

the good thing is that this restaurant is just down the street from the
palace (34 w. broad) so it will be a straight shot back to the theater.

okay, so this is like a survey of all of you... we need to find this out
so we know how many to put down as reservations. if you think you might
not make it please let me know and then if you do get there we can
probably just pull up an extra chair or something.

well, i suppose that is it for now. please respond back as soon as you
can so we have some definite numbers.

thanks,
twink!

p.s. - hopefully, with the addresses y'all can surf the web if you need
directions there... if you can't surf and need me to see if i can
get some directions for you... just let me know.
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hey kind friends!

i'm trying to make a tape that i can give to all my really close friends
for christmas......cheesy as it might sound, i want it to be a mix of
songs about friends or friendship. so far i've got hey kind friend (of
course), back together again, the friendship theme from beaches, and
you've got a friend.....can anyone think of any others?? any suggestions
would be very much appreciated. thanks a bunch!

all things indigo,
kristina :o)

* * * * *
"the music whispers you in urgency--
hold fast to that languageless connection." --emily saliers

okay, let me try this again.....i tried to post this, but apparently it
didn't work. anyway....

tony wrote:
>maybe we just need to make a roster of folks in / around texas
>rather than a separate mailing list.
>
>what suggestions? ideas? comments? also, what other regional lists are
>there? how have they worked out?

i used to be on a paul wylie list, and they had what they called a geo
roster, that includes names, emails, ages, and locations of listees. if
you wanted to be on the roster, you just had to send an email to the
person in charge w/that info, and at the end of every month the roster
would get posted. so if people wanted to get together, or had any ?s
about anything that was going on in their area, they would at least know
who lived near them.

i think we could do something like that, if everyone wants to--although
this would be much harder to organize and maintain since we've got a lot
more people, but we could try! i'd even volunteer to organize it and be
in charge, if no one else wants to (i hope i'm not getting myself into
too big of a mess by doing that!).

so, let me know what y'all think.....

all things indigo,
kristina :o)
(who got an acceptance letter from duquesne university in the mail
yesterday!! yaayyy!!!)

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hold fast to that languageless connection." --emily saliers

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 21:38:58 est
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former girlfriend??, then there is hope!!!!!!

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i saw danielle howle last night at the exit/in here in nashville and
she just kicked collective ass!!!!  man, did she rock, and she was
as funny as ever. :-d  i talked to her after her set and she said she
was opening for a&e in louisville on 12/2.  yippy skippy!  she said
they would be opening up several more shows for the girls.  i bought the
new cd "do a two sable" and it is great!!!!  i still love "about to
burst," but this new one seems like a maybe a more mature record.
and, the production is tighter on this one (david leonard produced it...
recognize that name?).  anyway, i just wanted to let any louisville
concert-goers know that danielle will be opening.  if this fact has
already been posted, my apologies.  i missed some digests over the
weekend.

peace,

joan :-d

hey y'all. has anyone planned some sort of list gathering kinda deal before
the orlando show? if so, let me know. unless of course there's a huge
conspiracy to leave me out when such events are planned, in which case i
fully understand. or something... whatever.

also, a friend says the dec 14th show in boston is sold out. is that true?
sorry if it's already been posted. since i'm not blessed and fortunate
enough to live in boston, i usually don't pay much attention to posts about
boston shows being sold out. sorry, but that's the truth. anyway, my friend
*is* fortunate enough to live in boston and wants to go to the show so if
anyone out there has extra tix or tix they wanna get rid of, email her at
duchjuli@pmc.edu. she'll give you her firstborn, etc. i've already briefed her.

i guess that's it. i'll shut up and get back to my regularly scheduled life.

jendy

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 19:11:32 -0800
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i'd like to know about when the tickets go on sale for the bay area
concerts if anyone knows. are these dates official?

katherine

come on people now, smile on your brother (or sister...that's me!!)
everybody get together, send me copies of your covers (o.k. i never said
i could write songs)!
i've signed on once again to harass the masses regarding the next
edition of the i.g. cover tape - compiled by yours truly.
i've gotten a lot of responses today, but if this frigger's gonna fly,
i'll need several more. again, the request is for those people who love
to play indigo covers and would like to make them part of my little
compilation that will one day become a coveted piece of work. :)
if you're at all interested, drop me an e-mail...thank ya!

-bethany ;)

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 15:13:33 -0500 (est)
from: rbrinfo@aol.com
to: nadc@garden.net
subject: the righteous reader, 11/25/97
(i cut text)...
the new album
is officially called little plastic castle, and is officially scheduled for
release on february 17, 1998. 12 songs, among them "as is," "fuel," and
"independence day," many of them familiar to folks who've seen the recent
concerts, but not in the form they appear here. there's a new version of
"gravel," for instance, a 14-minute jam accompanying the poem "pulse," and
two horn-driven tracks, "deep dish" and the title song. the backing
musicians: andy stochansky and jason mercer, natch, plus the return of sara
lee, and guest appearances by folks like jerry moratta and jon hassell.

the recent press
includes the interview and full-page photo in rolling stone's november 13
"women of rock" 30th anniversary issue, as well as ecstatic concert reviews
in the la times ("she makes each time on stage a night of exploration and
search" and the san diego union-tribune ("difranco achieves a fine, tricky
balance between gut-grabbing tunes and tension-reducing fun"). then there's
the brand-new cover story in the december 9 issue of the advocate. (check out
their website at <www.advocate.com> for further info.) the upcoming album is
featured among "the 25 most anticipated albums of 1998" in the january '98
alternative press, while the last one, "living in clip," is hailed as one of
the "essential cds by 30 hot artists" in acoustic guitar's december issue.
"clip" and "dilate" are also singled out in greil marcus's "real life top 10"
in the october '97 artforum, of all places.

now she belongs to history
the little folksinger is prominently featured in a buncha big new multi-pound
reference books, including rolling stone's women in rock, the all music
guide, and the music hound guide to rock.

the tv show all america is waiting for
ani appears on the fab pbs music series "sessions at west 54th" the week of
january 3, sharing the hour (but not the stage, alas) with one-name wonder
tricky. check your local listings for exact air date and time. for more on
the show, visit its website: <www.sessionsatwest54th.com>.

the radio report
as of nov. 17, clip has spent a whoppin' 29 weeks on cmj's top 200. i'm no
math major, but that looks like half a year to me. and it's still goin'...

ron ehmke, minister of communications
righteous babe records
po box 95
ellicott station
buffalo, ny 14205
usa
orders, tour info, etc: 1-800-on-her-own
business line: 716-852-8020
international phone: 716-852-7978
fax: (716)852-2741
rbrinfo@aol.com

ps to australian recipients:
the australian mini-tour
sat/sun march 7-8, port fairy: port fairy folk festival (sold out)

followed by several dates featuring opening sets by an australian band (tba)
plus the fabulous dan bern and dar williams:
tues march 10, melbourne: national theatre
wed march 11, sydney: the metro
thurs march 12, brisbane: tivoli theatre
fri march 13, adelaide: governor hindmarsh
sat march 14, perth: fly by night club

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 19:46:29 -0800
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this could be considered igc becasue i'm doing a paper on mrs. dalloway
which is by em's beloved virginia woolf. but to get to the point, since
you all are a great resource, does anyone know how long the terms "out"
and "in the closet/closeted" have been used (because i want to know if
they would have meant the same thing back in the early 1900's that they
mean today). i'm trying to figure if i have a good enough argument to say
that one of the characters is gay, and it would help my paper if i can.
and by the way, the paper is due tomorrow (please no procrastination
lectures) so don't reply any later than in the next 4 or 5 hours. thanks for
your help folks.
-sam (already making plans for the seattle and portland concerts)

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 20:20:51 -0800
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please feed sara :)

"and when i talk about therapy, i know what people think
that it only makes you selfish and in love with your shrink
but oh how i loved everybody else,
when i finally got to talk so much about myself"
--dar williams

hi!  my friend's birthday is coming up, and i was hoping to give her
something special this year.  since she was fortunate enough to go to
a lilith fair concert this summer (unlike myself), i would like to
give her a boot of one of the shows- preferably from toronto, as that
was the one she was at.  of course, i may just have to make a copy of
it for myself, so i can at least experience it secondhand.  if anyone
could give me any information about where to get boots from any of the
lilith shows, it would be hugely appreciated.  thanks in advance.
-rebecca

in a message dated 97-11-25 13:20:02 est, lauree writes:

<< well...everyone used to say one of my cats had
worms because he looked to them to be too
thin >>

sarah lee has worms ?
my cat has worms :)
(still...well...maybe...)

i have a thought about this...well a hunch ...okay,
a wild guess.
maybe they declined to be interviewed because they
don't want their sexuality to be the focus.
they would rather it be the music, or activism in general.
something like that.
just a guess :)
claire

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date: tue, 25 nov 1997 20:58:19 -0800
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wait! i thought i subscribed to the indigo girls list.
hmm. my mistake i guess.

bonster@u.washington.edu

hello all-
i just wanted to throw in that sexual orientation never crossed my mind
about this song- come on! it's a narrative. if i mention that someone said
"when we made love" preceded by either a male or female name, this does not
mean that *i* am one of the "we." had this argument at work this summer.
transcription follows (edited for language and violence)

carri (one of my redneck close-minded friends):"that's kind of offensive!
i can't believe that she says that."
julie and i: (yes, in unison)  carri, it's a story.
me:  yeah- listen to the beginning- "a love struck romeo sings ...etc
etc...  not "i sing the streets...."
more of same and then julie and i beat carri into submission.  (not really-
other than being a little ignorant, she's okay.  nice girl- just needs to
grow up.  and actually i've never beat anyone into submission.  or wanted
to... much)
sorry for
(and i'm currently digesting the list (heehee) so i'm sorry if this was
already brought up.
have a happy non-exploitative thankgiving!
-anne

yep! it's true! for the 998 of you who did not get a hysterical phone call
from me, here's the news: i made it onto the guest list for cd101s (local
columbus radio station's) ig show.  me and 20 or so (maybe less) folks get
to have the girls play an acoustic set for us. i called them back tonight to
reconfirm and asked the radio guy if i should get there early if i wanted to
sit in front and he laughed at me, saying, "that's not a problem.  it's
really intimate. *really* intimate." can you believe this? it's like that
thread about the dream concerts only it's really happening to me this monday
afternoon.  little do my students know why i will be letting them out of
class early taht day.  how can i say anything coherent to them an hour
before i see the gilrs? i will post an update w/all the details if i don't
do something goofy like faint.
it's kinda funny, i have all these fears now that something will go wrong.
i'm leaving tomorrow to go hiking and i started thinking--what if my car
breaks down in west virginia and i can't get back to columbus??? maybe i
shouldn't go away for thanksgiving....maybe i shouldn't leave the house
until i drive to the radio station for the show....

happy happy indigo dreams,
lisa

"the best thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less
seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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i don't know how was it.  all i have to say is "romeo and
juliet"!!!!!!!!!!!  if anyone wants to trade me a boot for the atlanta show
tell me!
                                chelsea

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>
>
>robert arkin wrote:
>
>> wait i'm confused!!!! ihave row d thats not the 4th row. i'm about to cry.
>> row d is ok though?-chelsea
>
>and i have row u....is that horrible???
>
>sharon
>
>

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lucious jackson. i saw them open for rem back in the day. they were good
--------------------------chelsea

at 11:49 pm 11/24/1997 -0600, you wrote:
>>who is that band on the new holiday gap commercial?  and who is that
>>drummer???
>>
>>--
>
>i'm pretty sure that's luscious jackson.  love the commercial.  and i think
>the drummer is...luscious jackson's drummer.
>
>(sorry...)
>
>justin
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hey folks,

well, the issue of "guitar world acoustic" with the article
on ig *finally* went on sale here and i picked up a copy at
lunchtime.

quite a nice little article, but i have a question about this
statement by amy:

"you know, i have super high-strung action on my acoustic..."

what the heck does that mean? plus, i'm not really sure
that "closer to fine" sounds like simon and garfunkel, but
anyway...

also, has anyone noticed that in the little picture on p93,
emily has blue fingernails? it looks like someone did a
bad touch-up job on the photo or something... *grin*

okey-doke. back to attempting to convince myself that i
should go study...
sherlyn

on tue, 25 nov 1997 19:46:36 -0500 don richards <donrich@neo.lrun.com>
writes:
>nancy humphries wrote:
>>
>> i stopped by timewarner to pick up the equipment for the lf on ppv -
>it
>> was more expensive than the ig ppv in june. cost was $20.95 for the
>> converter rental & the concert.
>
> - i have the equipment already as i'm a cable subscriber but the ig
>ppv was $15.95, ... warner told me last night that the cost for the lf
>ppv is only $3.95.

now the lf ppv here is $19.95....and that's if you've already got the
equipment! i wonder why such varied prices around the country? they
certainly should get together and pick one price :)

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i am off to florida for a few days (not like i'm even getting to see the
orlando show). i'll see some of you on monday in columbus, though. happy
thanksgiving y'all!
:-) karen (who is pondering what she will do without e-mail till sunday)

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i know that over here there are som k's choice fans so
i'm passing this along..

ps: if kc's is touring around your area. don't hesitate,
go and see them!(if you are able to) and if you can
catch up any radio appearance (for instance, the
hard rock cafe or any other) please tape it. i have a
lot of ig boots and some of me, tracy chapman,... to trade

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k's choice will take a break from the recording of their 3rd
album to play some
shows in the u.s. this december.

k's choice december u.s. tour 1997

12/11   memphis, tn             hard rock cafe
12/13   springfield, mo juke joint
12/14   nashville, tn           328 performance hall
12/16   w.palm bch., fl lillith fair (2nd stage)
12/18   wichita, ks             cotillion ballroom
12/19   kansas city, mo memorial hall
12/20   indianapolis, in        mardi gras

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i was on a paul wylie mailing list for a little while, and they had a
roster of some of the people on the list, their age, and where they live,
so that if anyone wanted to get together before/after some of the ice
shows, or wanted to know who was going, they'd at least know who lived in
their area. if you wanted to be on the roster, you would just send an
email to the person in charge, telling them your name, email, age, and
where you live. then the list would get posted at the beginning of every
month.

i think we could do something like that, if everyone wants to (although
it would probably be much harder to organize & maintain on this list,
since it has lots more people). i'd even volunteer to organize this
thing, if no one else wants to (i hope i'm not getting myself into too
big of a mess here!).

so, tell me what y'all think.....

all things indigo,
kristina :o)
(who just got an acceptance letter from duquesne university yesterday in
the mail!! wooohooo!!!)

* * * * *
"the music whispers you in urgency--
hold fast to that languageless connection." --emily saliers

some nutsoid reviewer wrote:
<< hampered severely by a
misguided reworking of dire straits' "romeo and juliet." >>

ha!!!  i find this hilarious, since rop is my favorite (this week), and romeo
and juliet is my favorite song on the album!  just goes to show there's no
accounting for taste.  i've known this song for years, and i truly like amy's
better than dire straits' version.  so intense, so emotional.  well there you
have it.  i guess that's the reason so many people want to hear it in
concert!

less than a week till louisville!!!

bon

hi y'all

november 28 is international buy nothing day...participate by not
participating!! for more info go to buynothingday@adbusters.org .
just a little way to help our mother (earth). a chance to reflect on how
we have become a consumer motivated society (at whatever cost..afterall
why else would there be a need for hte??).
just something to think about.

off my soapbox
c

would someone please let me know when ppv's running?  please respond
privately.  i had a note around here someplace, but if you'd see my desk now,
you'd  understand.  this job  was supposed to be paperless, hah!!
thanks.  hope y'all have a good holiday.

terri
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sherlyn koo wrote

"well, the issue of "guitar world acoustic" with the article
on ig *finally* went on sale here and i picked up a copy at
lunchtime."

is this a new article... what issue is the???

kim & rhea

look to the moon cause it's a fact
she may go wandering about
but she always comes shining back
e.s.

hey y'all!

did you seen the new gap commercial with leena horne? that woman must be
in her 80's and she looks fabulous! and still sings so sweetly....you
youngun's out there should listen closely to her...she is great!

have a good turkey day y'all!

joni :o)

y'all keep talking about all sorts of converters and crap that you had to get
to get lf on ppv..is it a different converter than the ordinary cable box or
what...cuz i'm not not going to be here to tape it (cuz i'll be in las vegas)
so my friend is going to do it and she is going to be mad if i didn't tell
her everything...

ok...i love sara lee...not as much as i love ani but nevertheless...
there's just something about her in those leather pants with those red shoes
pounding on that bass that makes me crazy...but even i know that she should
eat a sandwich or two :)

the november 25 show.... rocked.....and i was wondering is anybody out there
going to be at tonights show.... ?

poet

in a message dated 97-11-22 00:39:04 est, you write:

<< does anyone know where i could find chords and/or tabs to caroline aiken
songs? >>

i have chords to the following: "mission of angels", "that's what i heard"
and "ground zero." anyone who'd like copies can send a self addressed,
stamped #10 envelope to:

inside out productions
p.o. box 421
huntsville, al 35804

cheers,
rebecca

hi berba -  just finished doing a bear appraisal for a lady. it's
amazing to me that a bona fide antique dealer could be so clueless.
she thought her bear might be steiff.  truly wishful thinking on her
part.  it was just a nice, average american bear from the twenties.  the
"steiff" idea came cuz it had a slightly worn spot on its ear.   (will
people never learn?)  i did my best to tell her about her bear - told
her he should retail for about $295 (my opinion - local market) and she
said she was going to try to sell him to another dealer, whereupon i
told her i thought $150 was what she should ask if she wanted to
actually sell.  i offered her $100 cash if she can't sell to anyone
else.  she paid $25 at auction - a good price. 16" gold colored bear,
med. grade mohair, good condition.  cute face. but nothing special about
this bear - generic american.  you know the type.
that's it for my report.  signing out for the moment - what's the
current bid for that little white steiff on ebay?  (just curious) you
gonna buy no matter what?  you would! (i know: you buy him and give
him to me for christmas, ok?)
i love you,
nic
p.s. congrats on the new job at planned parenthood.  you just doing
regular old family practice stuff for them?  fit women for diaphragms,
write scrips for the pill?  sounds like a piece-o-cake after chapa-de.
but why keep on with the emergency room duty?  aren't you sick of
working so hard?  let's go to germany!
give my love to the kids...write soon (like right now)

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oh fellow listees, forgive this poor stupid fool who just posted a
personal message to the list.  all together now, in a very loud
voice: be more careful!
yeah.  i know.  sorry.  disregard.  i'm an eeeediot.
i'll go lurk in a corner for a long time now.  ok?
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okay, now about sara being too skinny? hasn't she has always looked this way-
check her out in the old b-52's video, 'love shack,' and in the 1994 and 1995
watershed video clips. she's really a tiny person, i admit. when i met her
at the buffalo show i was really shocked- but she's also really short as well
as skinny. and michelle malone, who is arguably much skinnier, was actually
complaining about being so thin when i saw her and the girls at their
lewiston, n.y. concert back in 8/96. she said onstage, to amy, that she
doesn't like going around in life as michelle, 'the girl with the body of a
12 year old boy!' oh well, she shrugged, and went on. i was worried back then
about michelle's health 'cause it was a summer concert and she was cold,
wearing long johns under her long sleeved t-shirt. yipes. btw- any news on
how she is?

is anyone getting the lf ppv that would be willing to trade for the vh-1
lilith fair special, the disney special, the great woods ppv, or some
combination of the above? i have other miscellaneous stuff (video, audio,
even some rare ig-related cds) to offer as well. please respond privately if
interested.

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"it's a man's world / but a woman put him in it" - patty larkin

as witnessed by the number of people at the umbc show who were clamoring for a
boot of it, this show was excellent! it has a great set list (good mix of
older and newer material), and an unbelievably enthusiastic audience that kept
a&e smiling all night. i've remastered it onto one 110 minute tape, and i
think it sounds great (especially for a gym!) -- i can even hear some of a&e's
comments that i *couldn't* hear at the show!

here's the set list:

galileo
shame on you
tangled up in blue
cut it out / down by the river - this medley is too good for words
(the incredibly passionate "cut it out" that everyone's wanted!)
get out the map
shed your skin
you and me of the 10,000 wars
reunion
least complicated
scooter boys - excellent, with an amy soc
winthrop
romeo and juliet
power of two
chickenman
virginia woolf
can't find my way home (w/caroline aiken)
joking
tried to be true
closer to fine (w/caroline aiken)

if you're interested in being a branch, and you understand how tape trees work
(sorry, i don't have time to respond to requests for info), and you have
adequate resources to make *good* copies in a timely fashion, please reply to
this privately. be sure that the word "umbc" is in your subject so my filter
will catch it. please don't volunteer to be a branch if you think the coming
holidays will hinder your ability to make copies efficiently.

i'll send a note to the list when i have enough branches. i will notify you
*only* if you are selected as a branch. if you are not selected as a branch,
watch for an announcement for leaves when i've sent all the tapes to the
branches.

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igdarsteph@aol.com wrote:
>at least my ig catalog thingy was waiting for me when i got here.

lucky you! i've been trying to get russell carter to update my address for a
couple of years now!!! (anyone want to send me a copy if i send an sase?)

> for all those who don't have it : big news, emily's current favorite cd is
>missy elliot's "supa dupa fly", for some reason i find that hilarious.

emily must be happy that missy is playing the holiday lilith fair show then!

=-=-=-=

erica barmash <cicada16@aol.com> wrote:
><< the group's most heavy-handed effort, it
> features some solid material, but is hampered severely by a
> misguided reworking of dire straits' "romeo and juliet." the album
> stands as the one instance in the duo's career where the need to
> express their sexual preferences defiantly compromised their
> musical good sense. <<
>
>is it just me, or does this make no sense? first of all, just because a
>musician covers a song that was written from the opposite sex point of view,
>since when does that mean that they are "defiantly" expressing their
>sexuality?

i remember thinking how ridiculous that statement was when i read it! i mean,
there is nothing overt about the songs the wrote, and this was a cover song!!
it's just like the reviews of sots that concentrated on the gay perspectives
on it. sheesh, that's just the kind of crap that kept emily from wanting to
come out int he first place, and who can blame her?!

=-=-=-=

sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au> wrote:
>also, has anyone noticed that in the little picture on p93,
>emily has blue fingernails? it looks like someone did a
>bad touch-up job on the photo or something... *grin*

emily talked about her blue nail polish on one of the boots i have... i think
it was on a radio show. it was an amusing sidebar, as i recall... amy said
she'll have to stick with clear. :-)

okay, i thought this was really old news when i posted it last week, but then
some guy (sorry, i forgot who) posted a piece about the results of his taken
at a recent show with a no-flash and how shocking to find details like all
the x-files pictures on amy's amp.
i think y'all thought i was just carrying forward some joke about amy
appearing on the x-files, but i was really serious when i said i had seen
these pictures on stage. and now there's photographic proof! so who knows the
story of the x-files, please.

i'm afraid the rumor about town is that the girls will only be filming the
opening sequence for ellen, not actually appearing in the body of the show
which is taped the day after they plan to be in studio on the disney lot.
:-(
please post info if you know.

here's the scoop on pay per view.

you have to have a converter box. they sell for about a hundred dollars in
the stores, but you can rent one from your local cable company for about
$3.75 plus a remote control, for a month. to get the box you usually need a
credit card or some other form of id and proof of your address with cable
that it will be billed to.

then, once you get home and hook up the box (instructions are included) to
your t.v. and v.c.r. you just wait until friday when the special will air.
about 1/2 hour before the show starts, call the local cable number on your
screen and it automatically orders the lilith special for you. turn your t.v.
and vcr to the channel it says to turn to (locally for me it's either 99 or
66) and wait. at the time the special is about to air, the screen will turn
from blank to the special, and if you are home, this would be when you start
taping. ( duh) if you have to set the vcr to tape it while you're not home,
it gets a lot harder. then, you can return the box and it's remote to the
cable office from which it came. your cable bill will include the charges.
the special itself costs $19.95
i hope this helps y'all. here i am, knowing how to do it but my vcr is
in the shop getting fixed until 12/5! yuk. so, anyone who gets a good copy
might want to consider sending me a boot for a blank and postage.- thanks,
leah

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i'm not sure how many of you will be able to take advantage of this but
there is going to be a broadcast of lf on cbc. i think the date is dec
5th but i'm not sure. i will be checking the listings to confirm the date
and find the exact time.

for those of you who don't know what i'm talking about; cbc is canadian
television. around me we pick up channel 9 out of windsor. anyone with
more info please respond.

neil... >

i stopped by timewarner to pick up the equipment for the lf on
ppv - it > was more expensive than the ig ppv in june. cost was $20.95 for
the > converter rental & the concert. be wary of sticker shock if you're
in an > area where you can see the concert.

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subject: re: nigc--ani updates---the righteous reader, 11/25/97 (fwd)
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on tue, 25 nov 1997, nancy drew wrote:

> wait! i thought i subscribed to the indigo girls list.
> hmm. my mistake i guess.

okay, maybe i deserved that.  i just figured there are a lot of cross-over
fans (is that the right term?  i dunno.) on this list who like ig *and*
ani *and* dar *and* mm, etc etc etc.  and there are, and i know that for
sure.  didn't realize anybody out there was getting *that* irked.  my
apologies; i will not forward stuff any more if y'all object...
let me know,
jill

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no please! that was incredible ani news - "as is" is on the new album - it's
my ab-sol-lute fave ani song and i've been waiting two freaking years to
hear it live again - i was told she no longer sang it (like amy and r&j- see
some igc)
the news made my day - i've been trying to finish the paper from hell (it's
very interesting - just long) before i go home - i have an hour so i guess
have a happy holiday - be back sunday night!

mike r.

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at 10:42 am 11/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
>from: "r. indigopoet d." <indigopoet@aol.com>
>subject: atlanta show
>
>the november 25 show.... rocked.....and i was wondering is anybody out there
>going to be at tonights show.... ?
>
>
>poet

glad to hear that last night rocked at the fox. i will be coming tonight
with paul and deanna! i'll be in the fourth row of the balcony -- can't wait!

paulus tateus

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date: mon, 26 jan 1998 11:04:39 +0000
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ok looks like my first wave of dubbing for the least compilated
mix is well underway. i want to do a short second wave in trade
for things i can't find. if you have good copies of any of the
following, and would like to trade for the mix (please see
http://members.tripod.com/~indigoempire/compilated.html
for the description & set list) and have not already sent me a blank
for it, please email me privately.

1.  tedicated -- a light-hearted tribute to ted nugent
2.  a *good* boot with amy's new song -- something seniorita??
     where you can hear the words
3.  the times they are a'changing -- bob dylan tribute (sister
     ruby records won't respond to my emails)
4.  catbird seat - family tales & songs (see #3 disclaimer)

that's it! but i'm open to suggestions if anyone has anything
particularly rare or exciting to trade. let me know.

in a couple weeks i'll open it up to the rest of the list for blanks
only since they require no thought on my part.

elizabeth

hi y'all!
i am a teaching assistent in germany and am planning a teaching project
on bury my heart at wounded knee. i want to start the project with this
song and work my way through the whole thing with the fbi shootings and
all that. but- german schoolbooks don't have a lot of good info on that
and what i need are webpages for example that contain info in easy
written text, and pictures, pictures, pictures. my class will be 11th
grade and they know nothing about the exploitation of the natives.
i'd be very grateful if someone could help me with this.
thanx a lot in advance,
maike

i keep checking the melissa ferrick site and for months i haven't seen
anything about her touring, just that she's canceled her tour with the
samples. i'd be interested to know if anyone has heard anything.

thanks!
tiffany

hello all
i can harley type i am soo excited...i just won tixets to the radio
performance that the girls are going to be doin here in columbus on monday!!!
i will be right there!!!! this feeling is the most incredible thing ever!!!!
i could cry, and throw up and sing and run all over the city!!!!!!!
happy wednesday!!!!!

elizabeth <elizabeth.nitz@evolving.com> wrote:

>if you have good copies of any of the
>following, and would like to trade for the mix (please see
>http://members.tripod.com/~indigoempire/compilated.html
>for the description & set list) and have not already sent me a blank
>for it, please email me privately.
>
>1. tedicated -- a light-hearted tribute to ted nugent

according to steve clark's ig discography:

#133) tedicated      arista    cd: 1234 :-) :-)
      november 1991   cs: 1234 :-) :-)      note: this album does not exist!
      ted nugent tribute album
      to benefit people for the ethical treatment of animals
      this wonderful *hoax* was perpetrated by pulse magazine about
      the time of the great tribute flood of christmastime 1991.

>4. catbird seat - family tales & songs (see #3 disclaimer)

what's on that one?

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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 14:40:59 -0500
reply-to: mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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on tue, 25 nov 1997 mmedido@aol.com wrote:
> sarah lee has worms ?
> my cat has worms :)
> (still...well...maybe...)
so sara lee is yoru cat<g>?

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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 14:40:47 -0500
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hi. i'll be there tonight too....will type up a review after the show. my seats
are about the 20th row on the floor...centerish...

take care,
sharon (who is about to leave for the 3 hour drive to atlanta!)

paul a. tate wrote:

> at 10:42 am 11/26/97 -0500, you wrote:
> >from: "r. indigopoet d." <indigopoet@aol.com>
> >subject: atlanta show
> >
> >the november 25 show.... rocked.....and i was wondering is anybody out there
> >going to be at tonights show.... ?
> >
> >
> >poet
>
> glad to hear that last night rocked at the fox. i will be coming tonight
> with paul and deanna! i'll be in the fourth row of the balcony -- can't wait!
>
> paulus tateus
>
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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 11:58:49 -0700
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>no please! that was incredible ani news - "as is" is on the new album - it's
>my ab-sol-lute fave ani song and i've been waiting two freaking years to
>hear it live again

if anyone wants to be sure to receive the righteous reader they can
subscribe to the rbr-news list which is not a normal mailing list in the
sense that subscribers can't send mail to it. the list owner sends out news
from rbr and pertinent ani information. it averages about one post every 2
weeks. i don't see any reason to send the righteous reader to a non-ani
list (and yes, i love ani's music very much).

to subscribe: send email to 'rbr-news-request@righteous-babe-records.com'.
put the word 'subsingle' in the body of the email. (if you put subscribe in
the body of the message you will receive the digest format and that is
totally not necessary for the rbr-news list due to its low volume.)

to subscribe to a very low volume ani list (absolutely no off-topic chatter
allowed) send email to 'rbr-focus-request@righteous-babe-records.com'.
put the word 'subsingle' in the body of the email. this list has 5-20 posts
every week.

to subscribe to another ani read-only list send email to hugasoul@aol.com
and ask to be put on her "what if no one's watching" list. she compiles
ani-only info from all the ani lists (there's more i didn't tell you about
here) and forwards them in one big email about once a month. it's like
reading a digest of all the ani lists with all the off-topic and ani-fluff
stuff cut out. she includes the righteous reader too when there is a new
one to be sent out. she does this all by hand so send her a nice note of
support if you like what she's doing. :)

if you subscribe to one of the above you will get the righteous reader
(sooner or later). now, nobody should have to forward it to the ig list,
ok? :) if the subscribe info doesn't work let me know off-list. it was
accurate at the time the lists opened up but maybe the listowner has
tweaked with them since then.

now, i have to go pack my bags, i was supposed to be gone an hour ago. have
a safe journey if you're travelling anywhere this week...
k.

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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 14:49:22 -0500
reply-to: mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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well folks never say i dont do anythign for tihs list and anyone who gets
these i want copies of them

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: tue, 25 nov 1997 23:34:58 -0800 (pst)
from: the cd list guy <searchme@earthlink.net>
to: searchme@earthlink.net
subject: video

here's the information you requested. it is important that you read this
entire document. thanks!

price artist date location length quality notes

22.00 indigo girls 10/7/91 beacon theatre, nyc 35 b
head to toe close, benefit concert

24.00 indigo girls 10/8/90 miami, fl 120 b 3rd generation

29.00 indigo girls 12/11/94 fairfax, va 90 b+ 2nd
generation, very close

29.00 indigo girls 4/26/93 university of illinois 106 b
tripod shot, 2nd generation

29.00 indigo girls 4/26/94 champaign, il 100 b 2nd
generation, close

29.00 indigo girls 5/8/91 west palm beach, fl 107 b+
close! great! 2nd generation hi-fi

32.00 indigo girls 6/28/94 radio city music hall, nyc 95 b+
ist generation, tripod, close, left angle

32.00 indigo girls 6/29/94 radio city music hall, nyc 95 b+
1st generation, tripod, right angle, close

29.00 indigo girls 6/4/92 beacon theatre, nyc 90 b+
head to knee close, nice

29.00 indigo girls 8/26/96 mesa, az 103 b 3rd
generation, waist up close

shipping/handling is $2.50 for the first video and $1.00 for each additional.
canada: $3.50 first/$1.25 each additional. overseas, $6.00 for the first
vid, $2.00 for each additional. please allow 4 to 6 weeks for delivery
(ordered from another source). for faster service, please request info.
there will be an additional charge but i don't know what it is yet. <grin>

tapes used: tdk high standard sound & color super avilyn technology plus.

please bear in mind that these videos vary from pro shot concerts to
hand-held camcorders brought into concerts. on the hand-helds, the sound
quality is usually pretty good. as for picture quality, of course,
occasionally people walk by and get in the way and there are other glitches
at times but if you're a avid fan of a
particular band, these are worthwhile documents!

important info regarding videos labeled pro shot:   the pro shot videos are
often specials that were only shown in europe.  be careful, though, because
some of them may be tv specials/pay per view events/commercially released
videos that you've already seen/taped.  the cd list guy is not responsible
(and will not refund money) for keeping track of this so tread very
carefully before committing to a pro shot video.

finally, if you're expecting picture-perfect quality, these videos are most
likely not for you. they are designed with the collector in mind, one who
is willing to put up with variable picture in order to own a document of a
concert that is not readily available in the mass market.

thanks,

matthew
cd guy

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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 15:02:48 edt
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wasn't there a show last night in atlanta - i am surprised no one posted a
review yet. come on - i live thru you guys posting reviews since they never
come to nc anymore (and this year doesn't count).

ps - happy thanksgiving to all and safe trips -

dear friends:

1.  i am not too fond of many of the other artists from lilith, therefore,
i can't really justify the $20 plus cost of equipment for the ppv.  i am
hoping that someone will dub the ig parts for me (and perhaps s. colvin).
or, if you can't get ppv in your area and you want to go in on the cost of
it with me, i will give you the original tape after i dub the ig for
myself.  reply privately.

2.  this past weekend i went to the memorial service for my aunt who died
after breast cancer spread to her lungs and lymphatic system.  at the
service some friends of hers performed "this is my father's world."  but
it really didn't sound much like the coronet bit from hkf to me.  they
were singing it awfully high though, so that might have been it.

3.  my cousin (one of the sons of the aunt who passed away) is a
sophomore in high school.  he is really into rage against the machine and
i was thinking i might try to find some boots for him.  so, if you know
anyone or anywhere i might be able to get ratm boots, please reply
privately.  my cousin lives in a small rural western colorado town (i
graduated there 10 years ago).  you don't get much opportunity to see
concerts or hear about bootlegs.  the high school doesn't even have the
internet yet.  so if you can help me out with this gift, it would be much
appreciated.

thanks,
garian

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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 14:24:45 -0600
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>>quite a nice little article, but i have a question about this
>>statement by amy:
>
>>"you know, i have super high-strung action on my acoustic..."
>
>>what the heck does that mean? <snip>
>
>
>action refers to the distance of the strings from the fret (finger) board.
>apparently amy likes her action high,
>meaning the strings are further away from the fret board. this makes the
>guitar hard to play, but tends to produce
>a great, "chunky" tone.
>
>
>
>also, did anyone else notice that amy is in the front in all the pictures in
>this article?
>
>peace and happy holidays y'all!
>
>dan perkins
>austin, texas
>
>

hey everyone-
        i just recently started playing guitar, my brother is teaching
me.  but i was wondering if anyone out there could send me any of the
guitar tabs for easier ig stuff.  id appreciate it oh so much.  i need
some stuff to try.  and im persistent with this idea of learning, cause
its my rebellion, well sort of, well, i dont know how to explain it.  i
just had a 2.5 year relationship end and since thats a kind of
significant fraction of my life, its kind of weird and this is my way of
getting over it.  im doing this for myself and only myself.  eh?  (jill,
i really empathize with you.)  so anyway, enough babbling, back to the
point.  email me privately if you could help.  thanks so much.
-laura

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date: thu, 27 nov 1997 08:11:16 +1100
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hey folks,

kim & rhea inquired which issue of "guitar world acoustic"
has the ig article in it. hm. it doesn't have a date on
it but it has a picture of jerry garcia on the front.
inside, in tiny print, it says it's issue 24 1997. given
that these magazines usually take around two months to
reach australia, i'm going to take a guess and say...
september?

thanks to everyone who replied to my question about what
"action" on a guitar means. and - emily has blue
fingernails! who woulda thunk. :)

sherlyn
ps - we're actually doing very well in cutting down on the
nigc folks!  list traffic has gone down a bit, believe it
or not.  and i know i posted nigc myself yesterday (and i
feel so guilty for it i won't be doing it again anytime
soon), but could we keep going and try to cut nigc down even
more?  thanks.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and i will write this down and then i will not be alone again,
yeah, i was out here listening, oh yeah i was out here listening;
oh yeah i am out here listening all the time."    - dar williams

hey everyone,
  well, i warned you i'd be posting a lot...something has to keep me away
from the pints of graeter's in the freezer. i've been completely revamping my
web page and looking at everyone's pages on the "kind friends" site in the
indigo ring.  i must say i'm very very impressed by every one i've seen, and
it makes me wish i knew more about frames and all those kinds of things to
make my web page cooler.  my goal now is just to make my web page reflect my
personality.  i really have changed in the year since i first made it.  so
this is a pointless post, except to say if you have time, go to the indigo
ring website and check it out! it's great.  and andi, your web page is
awesome - could you e-mail me privately, i have a question to ask you.
                                 stephanie

i am sorry to waste bandwidth, but i would like to
point out that i am a woman, not a guy. and i am
sorry i started the entire sara lee skinnyness thing.

===
feminism is the radical idea that womyn are people.

---leah susan <terrilee11@aol.com> wrote:
>
> okay, i thought this was really old news when i
posted it last week, but then
> some guy (sorry, i forgot who) posted a piece about
the results of his taken
> at a recent show with a no-flash and how shocking
to find details like all
> the x-files pictures on amy's amp.
> i think y'all thought i was just carrying
forward some joke about amy
> appearing on the x-files, but i was really serious
when i said i had seen
> these pictures on stage. and now there's
photographic proof! so who knows the
> story of the x-files, please.
>
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get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

i'm still not sure which magazine you all are talking about. is it a new
issue of guitart world or acoustic guitar? help. i want to go buy it if it's
new. thanks

michelle

<< >>quite a nice little article, but i have a question about this
>>statement by amy: >>

according to the associated press wires which came out today.. the girls and
sarah will appear on ellen when ellen takes her gf to some sort of lilith
concert. it said both the girls and sarah would perform... will post a
verbatim soon..

tune

remember that site..well these are the tunes he says he has for ig...
check it out..he gives his e-mail if ya wanna connect with him
indigo girls
                               burn all the letters
                                  closer to fine
                           don't give that girl a gun
                                     galileo
                               hey kind friend
                                 land of canaan
                                 scooter boys

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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 19:26:26 -0500
reply-to: joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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the radio station mike reynolds was referring to in his post about mountain
stage and realaudio is actually a local commercial station. to my knowledge,
mountain stage is only broadcast on public radio stations. it originates
from west virginia public radio. since the shows are taped and then
distributed at a later date to stations that subscribe to the show
(pay to broadcast the show each week), you would probably have to check
with your local public radio station and see if they braodcast on the web.
or, maybe you could surf the web and try to find a public station that
broadcasts over the web. i don't know the call letters or frequency of the
public radio station in charleston. sorry!
i would have given anything to have gone to that taping of mountain stage.
when i was in college, i worked at the public radio station on campus.
my senior year we took a chartered bus full of listeners and staffers to
charleston to watch a taping of mountain stage, tour the production
facilities upstairs at the capitol theatre (i think...it was 1988 folks),
and have a sack lunch with larry groce and the folks in the mountain
stage band. it was a very cool experience. of course, we had to settle
for hearing the nashville bluegrass band as opposed to ms guests like
ig or rem...<g> i enjoyed it, nonetheless. so, that's my little
ms story. i can imagine what it was like to actually be there when
a&e were performing.

peace and happy thanksgiving,

joan :-d

http://www.dreamscape.com/esmith/dansm/site/recent.htm

for those of you intrested..whilei wascrusin the net killin time ill
closing time..found this site for guitar tabs ,,
so far i found
burn all the letters
galileo
closer tofine
land of cannan

going back to checkitoutsommore..

looks good
happy turkey day to one and all..i always thought you were a bunch of
turkeys........

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date: wed, 26 nov 1997 23:58:10 -0500
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im leaving tomorrow at noon ill check my mail then i should be back like
monday around 5 i dont expect my mail to bounce (unless u all go on a
posting spree while im gone ) ill be at visions interviewing jerri ryan
from star trek voyager(7 of 9) as well as many other stars from trek dr
who babylon 5 and other shows like blakes 7 (sorry no ros stars at vvsions
this year pout) anyway if on the off chance mail does bounce please dont
remove me as it wont bounce to long my box is almost empty here so it
shouldnt fill up unless as i said u gon on a mad posting sspree

hey everybody,

a while ago somebody posted about having 2 tix to the boston show on 12/14.
i don;t remember who that was but if you're out there and still have the tix
please let me know!

if anyone has any extra tix to this show please e-mail me...i'll be in the
area and i'd hate to not be able to go. thanks y'all!

love, ilana

anyone interested in meeting before and/or
after the cedar rapids show on dec. 5, please
e-mail me to let me know.  i am hosting a list
meet if people are interested.  at first i was thinking
of a house party, but there is a new place called
mahoney's (or something like that) that several of
my friends are going to before the show.  they
say it's quite a nice meeting place on the cedar river,
only a few blocks from the venue.  drinks for sure,
probably food....it used to be a very nice restaurant
before it changed management.  should be great
fun!

lisa
lschreihart@juno.com

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date: thu, 27 nov 1997 17:23:51 +1100
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hey folks,

deb asked:
>>4. catbird seat - family tales & songs (see #3 disclaimer)
>
>what's on that one?

hey, i actually have a copy of this. i can't remember if i've
ever listened to it or not (in fact, it's right here on my
desk on my two-foot-high cds-to-listen-to pile, where it's been
for - well, forever. :) let me dig it out...

okay.  catbird seat is bob bedell, rob griffin, brett norton
and simone simonton.  "fairytales and songs" (1994) is their
second album, the first being "one of these days" (1992).  both
on sister ruby records.  guest artists on "fairytales and songs"
include shawn mullins (piano), matthew kahler (percussion), don
conosenti (vocals, bass, shaker) and our very own emily saliers
(vocals).

must listen to this album again someday...

:)
sherlyn
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date: thu, 27 nov 1997 01:22:06 -0500
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yeah, how about it? where are those atlanta reviews? hmmm??? i was really
hoping to read some before i depart for the lovely rolling hills of
eastern kentucky thursday morning to see my folks. makes me wonder if
a spaceship didn't hover over the fox theatre, slurp it up and fly
away, since i've heard nary a peep about it.<g> i guess i"ll have
something to look forward to reading when i get back, eh? i have emptied
my mailbox a bit as well, so hopefully i won't bounce any messages either
during the next few days.

peace, and may everyone have a warm fuzzy thanksgiving holiday with
the ones they love...

joan :-d

i just heard on cnn's "showbiz today" that both conan o'brien and david
letterman are putting out cds featuring musical performances from over
the years.  as they were talking about the cds, they showed video clips
(sans audio...or at least it was so low you couldn't discern what it was)
of some of the artists featured on the two cds.
i think these clips were of the actual performances
that are on the cds.  anyhoo, they showed a clip of ani difranco, and
i think it may have been from her performance of "shameless" on
conan either late last year or early this year.  so, be looking for
that, boys and girls.
also, after reading sherlyn's post about guitar world acoustic, i ran and
got my mag and couldn't believe that it indeed shows no issue date!  just
says "no. 24."  now that tells us a lot, doesn't it?  i believe i
bought it sometime in october, if that helps any.  it is a great article.
and dan:  i noticed the same thing about emily always being kind of in
the background in the photos.  i doubt it's anything symbolic.
maybe the photog was an amy person or something.  i thought it was kind
of odd, though.  like, vary the camera angle a bit and move your lovely
subjects around, dude!

peace, and happy turkey day,

joan :-d

i would like to wish you all a happy thanksgiving, and i hope you all get
to where you're going, or if you're already there, i wish you the best
right where you are.

justin

hey all.
has anyone thought of planning a list-gather for louisville on tuesday?
let me know.
carrie

miriam@perfection.nl

can anyone give me any info on a concert in bloomingon, indiana? my
friend told me she heard something about the girls being there on dec.
9th or the 14th...or something like that. anything like the actual
date...and when tickets go on sale would be much appreciated.

thanks...and happy turkey day
-kendra
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anyone who orders those ig videos please tell the man your form the ig
list and that i sent you so he knows thanks

i've got plenty of branches, please don't send more requests. watch for the
leaf announcement in 2-3 weeks!

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i forgot to say in my review of the 2nd atlanta concert that on my
setlist it has for the 14th song wild horses scratched out and written
over it bury my heart....i suppose they changed their minds. just
thought you might be interested in knowing that....

take care,
sharon

hey y'all, somebody wrote that:

<< emily's current favorite cd is
>missy elliot's "supa dupa fly" >>

i'mhappy to say that this bit of news brought a whole new level of
credibility to the girls, in the minds of my 10 year olds. any body who
likes the plastic bag lady can't be all bad!

see ya

bonnie

(reprinted without permission)

"no boundaries - indigos girls cut loose"
by jeffrey pepper rodgers (acoustic guitar - september 1997)

        warning: the indigo girls' new album, 'shaming of the sun,' is not for
purists of any stripe. there's way too much voltage in it for the acoustic-
only set, and too much acoustic stuff for people who like their music purely
plugged. not only are all manner of acoustic and electric guitars freely mixed
and matched, but bouzouki and banjo sidle up to crunching power chords,
electric baritone meets classical guitar, and hurdy-gurdy mingles with piano.
the album, which marks the first time the girls have taken the producer's
helm, is a kind of studio free-for-all, with the adventurous arrangements
matched by a particularly wide range of moods in the songwriting. except for a
few small mis-steps - some out-of-place garage guitar, and odd, lumbering horn
chart - the whole disc is a blast of fresh writing, fresh playing, and
kinetic energy.
        striking contrasts are, of course, nothing new for the indigo girls.
their greatest strength has always been the interplay between amy ray's
primal rock 'n' roll and emily saliers' softer, more reflective style.
because they've almost never written together and they contribute equally to
the duo's repertoire, ray and saliers carry audiences from smoothly crafted
folk-pop to angry, cathartic rock to wistful balladry and back again. as
radical as 'shaming of the sun' seems compared to their previous albums, it
simply extends the indigo girls' natural dynamics into a full studio
soundscape.
        in april, ray and saliers toured briefly as a duo to promote the
impending release of 'shaming,' their first collection of new material since
1994's 'swamp ophelia.' in san francisco, they previewed eight songs for a
packed crowd at the rock-roots club slim's and met with me backstage to
talk about their ever-expanding universe of music.

jpr: tell me about the explosion of stringed instruments on the new album.
did that happen as a result of experimenting in your writing or because you
were trying to broaden the sound for the record?

es: it was actually both. for instance, "get out the map" is a song that i
play banjo on, and i wrote it on the banjo. but amy wrote "shame on you,"
and i played banjo on parts of it just for a different color. i wrote
"caramia" on electric guitar. it's the first song i've written on electric
guitar. and then other instruments got added to other songs. bouzouki got
added for texture.

ar: bouzouki got sort of thrown in on the last couple of records. it's one
of those things where there's a sound that you're always looking for - it's
usually the bouzouki.

es: cool sound. very cool sound.

ar: baritone guitar. baritone guitar is something i've always loved. we just
never had one, but emily gave me one.

es: we're both trying to grow.

jpr: emily, have you been playing a banjo for a long time?

es: no. amy gave me that banjo years and years ago. i'm not really a banjo
player. i can pick out basic chords, and i know how to fingerpick on the
guitar, so i just transfer the technique over to the banjo. so i can get
away with the cool sound of it without being a good player.

jpr: the record has some pretty unusual combinations of banjo with distorted
electric guitar.

ar: banjo is kind of like the ultimate punk instrument, i think. it's got
that sound that makes you feel things. it's this cranky old sound. i
personally prefer using banjos in a weird way - sort of a perverse dixieland
sound, like a dixieland march in slow motion. i've heard a lot of
subversive sort of art bands in atlanta recently, and a lot of them use
banjos. it's the new thing that a lot of bands are turning to. it's a
vagabond instrument really, the salvation army sound.

jpr: amy, you were just picking on a mandolin a few minutes ago. are you
playing that much now?

ar: i picked up mandolin just because i've always thought it was fun to
play on. i started learning a couple of songs here and there, and i decided
to play "get out the map" on it. before, i just did "closer to fine." but
at home i play it just to mess around, just to have a different musical
inspiration. all i do is play chords.

jpr: do you have a hard time going between the guitar's tuning in fourths
and the fifths on instruments like bouzouki and mandolin?

ar: the mandolin is an upside-down guitar, really, so it's easy to think
of it that way - in terms of patterns, not musically. what do you think,
emily?

es: i've never thought about that, so obviously it's not a big issue. you
just find whatever sounds good. like on a banjo, i can find the major chords
within a key. and then i land on other stuff by accident, but i don't
really compare it to guitar fingering. i tune the bouzouki any way i want
to anyway; i don't do a standard tuning. it's like 'ok, let's get a drony
a-sounding bouzouki tuning' kind of like no rules, which is the best way
to get good stuff out of instruments that you're not good at.

jpr: do you find that a new instrument leads you into different songwriting
territory than you would get to otherwise?

es: i think so. although today we did a radio interview and we were playing
"get out the map," which i wrote on banjo. i played it on guitar because i
didn't have a banjo in the studio, and i realized that the chords are just
like "closer to fine," so i guess that kind of blows that theory. i thought
i'd written something different from that.

ar: yeah, but what you did is write "get out the map," whereas if you'd
written it on guitar, you would have gone, 'this sounds like "closer to
fine,"' and you would have never written the song.

es: it's true.

jpr: when you are getting ready to record, do you work your songs out as
a duo before going into the studio and adding other instruments?

ar: yeah. we work out an arrangement that we can play as a duo for most of
them. [for the new album] we didn't have some songs quite finished yet, so
we went to the studio and jammed on them and finished them. some of them
we didn't have time to arrange, so we arranged them in the studio. but
normally we try to do the arrangements so we can play them by ourselves.
this record was different though. as we were arranging, we already had ideas
about, 'i'm going to play this guitar part and we'll overdub 12-string with
that...' so we were thinking about it the whole time.

jpr: did you know while you were writing that you were going to produce
this record?

ar: no. but we always have had something to do with it. no one tells us what
to do. peter [collins] carried the load of responsibility for us as a
producer for the last couple of records, and he's got a great vision, but
it was always a team [effort]. this time we didn't know we were going to
produce it until a lot of the producers we were asking fell through, and
it just came upon the fact that we were going to do it ourselves. and then
it really got wide open after that. we just spent a lot of time playing a
lot of guitars. it's like the guitar record for us.

jpr: how was the recording process different without another person to
bounce stuff off of?

es: you have no one to rely on but yourself - although we did work with dave
leonard. he coproduced it with us, and we worked really well with him. but
it still felt like everything was on our shoulders in a way that it hadn't
quite been before, which is good. there was a lot more experimentation,
freedom to go, 'i think i'm just going to try this little part, maybe i'll
try this amp, maybe we'll stick hurdy-gurdy on that song,' much more of the
kitchen-sink mentality, which is really fun. whereas maybe peter is less
inclined that way.

jpr: when you're recording with a lot of instruments and multitracking,
how do you maintain a live feel?

ar: the majority of the song is done live. with "scooter boys," the whole
song's live - no overdubs except for one guitar. and then a song like
"caramia" was cut live, and then we went back in and fixed the guitar.
you have to pay attention to [the live feel] the whole time so you don't
lose it. part of it is being spontaneous when you're overdubbing -
overdubbing inside the control room where the mic is picking up what's
coming off the speakers, things that enhance a live feel to the tracks
that you're putting down on top of everything. and then not getting so
precious about every little thing really helps.

jpr: not worrying about mistakes?

ar: we worry about them, but we embrace them, too.

jpr: but you initially record the core instruments all at the same time?

ar: most of them. the song "shed your skin" was built from the bottom
up [from a drum loop]. that was the whole purpose of the song.

jpr: will it be especially hard to translate these album arrangements
back to the band for touring?

es: i think we're going to be able to capture the core of the songs
fairly well, with [drummer] jerry [marotta] and [bassist] sara [lee].
and we're bringing in a new player to do everything we can't do, like
violin, or some of the electric guitar parts or acoustic guitar parts.

ar: or mandolin.

es: to free us up to do other things. even with the band, there's stuff
that's not going to be able to be captured in exactly the same way. some
tricks we did with percussion, compression, vocal doubling. sometimes
we're going to have to emulate the distance between the harmonies
physically with the mic rather than [electronically] re-create it.

ar: but if we re-created it totally, it would be boring. that's not what
a live show is supposed to be. i'd rather see someone interpret the song
a completely different way, because i can go home and listen to the
record any time. emily doesn't always feel the same way.

es: i like a little of both. sometimes i like the change of familiarity.
'play that guitar lead like you played on the record.' and other times,
'what a great interpretation to do it differently like that.' that's why
we mix it up.

jpr: one of your stylistic trademarks is your vocal arrangements, all that
great overlapping and alternating of lines. where did that idea come from?

es: sacred music, choir when we were kids. all those counter lines and
canons and singing parts that move around each other.

ar: no one was really doing it in the music that we listened to. i don't
think simon and garfunkel did, but i didn't really listen to that kind
of stuff. we found it was the easiest way for us to work together, [partly]
because of weaknesses. i wasn't too good an singing harmony when we first
started, so i had to think of it as a melody line. we would be singing
opposing melodies, basically. now i can sing harmony because i've worked
on it. a lot of the stuff we do now grew out of weaknesses - mostly that i
had, actually. but it grew into a way that we work together. it ended up
being cool, i think. and now we can attain more musically, but we still
have that same thing that we always do.

jpr: while each of you is writing a song, do you think about what the
other might sing?

es: i don't usually think that.

ar: i probably think about it at the end of the writing process, or else
i'll have an extra verse, some extra words that i want to use but it's
too many words. what i always think is that emily will just sing it as
a countermelody, so that i can still have the lyrics in there. i don't
have to have a whole extra verse.

jpr: how do you share new songs with each other?

es: sometimes we'll start songs or be playing them in sound check to
test things, just for fun. so i'll start to hear snippets of amy's ideas
early on. by the time she finishes the songs, they'll be somewhat familiar
to me. last time around, i wrote my songs in a pretty short period of
time and ended up playing a couple of them for her that i guess she'd
never heard even parts of. and it's a loaded moment, you know. you want
your partner to like your stuff.

ar: i sang a lot of my new songs in public before i actually played them
for her. we had a long time off and we were very separate, and i was
doing separate gigs, writer's nights, just to work in new material and
figure out if i liked the songs i was writing. maybe emily heard something
after i'd already played it for an audience, or maybe she was even in the
audience and heard it for the first time. so that kind of dilutes the
loadedness of it a little bit.

jpr: do you ever nix each other's song or send each other back to the
drawing board?

es: no. not typically at all. sometimes we'll decide a song is better off
if it's a solo song.

ar: or make suggestions. we'll ask 'what do you think of this?' and the
person might say, 'i think the chorus is too long' or 'i think we should
add a bridge' or 'i'm missing this element.' if the song's important
enough for the person to have written it and believe in it herself, then
you've got to give it a chance.

es: you have to have faith that the process is working, and you have to
get used to someone else's ideas being added to your song. you're used
to just singing the song alone, and you know it in an intimate and personal
way, and then all of a sudden it's become something else. but for the most
part, i have faith in the process of what amy and i have done for so long,
and while sometimes it's an adjustment at first, in the end it usually
comes out being better.

ar: when i play alone, i tend to be very unstructured. i usually don't
have a real definitive tempo. i start and stop and slow down and do things
on any given night differently from the night before in the same song.
when you play with somebody else, you can't really do that as much. so for
me, the songs take on structure, which is good sometimes. but sometimes it's
really hard for me to get used to.

jpr: do you record while you're writing?

ar: i do. i tape all the time i'm writing. [to emily] do you?

es: no. unless there's a certain thing i want to remember, like a
guitar chord progression or a melody line. then i'll tape it. but usually
i'll just write down the notes.

ar: i never listen to the tapes when they're done. ever. i don't know why,
but i always tape, 'cause it somehow makes me remember it better.

es: do you keep them?

ar: yeah. it's a weird process. i never listen to them.

jpr: both of your guitar styles have evolved quite a bit over the last
ten years. how do you think your playing has developed?

ar: obviously, we use a lot more tunings than we used to. i think all we
used when we started was open d. and then emily would use some joni
mitchell-type tunings.

es: mary chapin carpenter taught me a couple of tunings, but i didn't
start using them until 'galileo' [rites of passage (the tuning is
d a d g b c, the same as for carpenter's 'the moon and st. christopher,'
with a capo at the fifth fret)].

ar: and i just turned to tunings as an alternative, you know, to have
fun with it. 'center stage' [from 'indigo girls'] was in open d. i
remember hearing the b-52s, that guy ricky [wilson] - he died. he played
every song they had in a different tuning. he never played anything in
a standard tuning, and i just remember thinking about that - it was
really inspiring. the guitar became an endless spectrum at that point.
i'm not a really good guitar player, so to change tunings opens up
new worlds for me.

es: we try to make it as expansive as we possibly can with just the two
of us, not just for the sake of being expansive, but because it's more
than gratifying than, 'let's just play the same chords.' personally, i
used to play much more jazz-oriented chords and was really influenced
by this local singer-songwriter. and then i found after a while
emotionally i just couldn't get as much out of playing that way. in some
ways it's a lot easier technically to play in a more aggressive style,
and emotionally it's much more accessible.

jpr: are there a lot of open tunings on the new record?

ar: yeah. we're always in different tunings from each other, too. i
don't know how that happens.

es: what's that song where you're in d-minor tuning [d a d f a d]?

ar: 'everything in its own time,' but i'm actually capoed on the fourth
fret, so it would be f# minor. i love the open d-minor tuning a lot.
it's a great tuning, so i'll just capo and use it for different songs.
i discovered it when we were doing a cover of a vic chestnutt song
called 'free of hope' and i wanted to play it on slide, so i did it in
open d minor and played it on electric guitar.

jpr: emily, how are you tuned on 'everything in its own time?'

es: i'm capoed on the second fret and playing sort of a minor chords.
i'm in standard tuning except for the b string, which is tuned down to a.

ar: sometimes we come up with all these different tunings that sound good
with each other, and then we forget what we've decided. like in 'scooter
boys,' i don't know what tuning you were in....

es: e minor [e b e g b e].

ar: and i had the [low] e string dropped to d. our tunings don't match at
all for that, there's discord notes all over the place. i had to listen
to the tape to figure out what we were doing.

es: there's even parts of that that _i_ can't figure out what i did, 'cause
it happened so spur-of-the-moment. i was in e-minor tuning because we were
getting ready to work on a different song, and then amy started jamming
on the song and andy [stochansky, from ani difranco's band] started playing
the drums and sara was playing bass. so, i said, "oh well, i don't have
time to change my tuning, i'll just stick in this tuning and see what i can
find."

jpr: 'burn all the letters' sounds to me like an open-d tuning [d a d f# a d]

es: now that's a weird one because of the key change.

ar: i'm open in eb [eb bb eb g bb eb].

es: i start in open d, so i play the chunka-chunk in the beginning. [when
the song modulates to eb.] amy takes over the chunka-chunk and i play muted
a half step up. i obviously can't play open chords.

ar: it was a bitch to do, but it ended up being cool. guitars take on a
different character when you tune them differently. the minor tunings are
really sad and beautiful.

jpr: all these tunings must explain why you have so many guitars on stage.

ar: yeah, we feel gluttonous sometimes, but we are in different tunings
from each other on most songs, or different capo positions at least. and
then, there are never two songs in a row in the same tuning. when we didn't
have a tech, we used to arrange our set list so that we did every song
with a capo on the third fret in a row.

es: i can't believe we ever did that.

ar: we didn't arrange it by what sounded best, but by what was the easiest
to keep in tune.

jpr: are you playing more electric now than you used to?

es: yeah, definitely. that's a totally different field from acoustic,
obviously. it's getting used to [the instrument], and then it's like a whole
world of choices, not only amongst different amps, but on that one amp,
you know, how you set it, the eq, what pedals you're going to use, or what
tone knobs you're going to use on your guitar. there are so many variables.
it's like learning a whole other instrument.

ar: a lot of our songs translate. i write a lot of songs on electric that i
end up playing on acoustic. i just write on electric because i have a
particular amp in a particular room in my house, and i like the way it sounds.
when i feel inspired, i write on that instead of acoustic.

jpr: i've always enjoyed the way you show off the acoustic as a real rock
instrument rather than the typical way that rock musicians use it, for
accompanying slow ballads. the acoustic rhythm part on 'scooter boys' is
about as rocking as it could be, and i think it's more rocking than it
would have been if you had played it on an electric guitar.

ar: i agree. i listen to much more electric than i do acoustic music, but
i prefer most of the time playing acoustic guitar. i just get more rock out
of it. i love the noise on it. what i like about electric is turning the
reverb up and doing things that are esoteric. neil young-y, like the
soundtrack for 'dead man,' that kind of sound.

jpr: in a way, your acoustic style goes back to those early rock records
by bands like the rolling stones and the who. there's lots of acoustic
guitar on those records, but most people don't think of them that way.

ar: it's the combo. it's the electric with the acoustic that really works
for me. the acoustic gives you that edge that electric can't give you
sometimes, the rhythm, that percussion where you can feel it, but then the
electric bites. it's good, because emily can do all the electric parts -

es: learning!

ar: - and i'll just play the acoustic.

jpr: the acoustic guitars you play on stage - almost all martins - are
really varied in size. is that for sonic variety?

ar: there are certain guitars that sound better on certain songs for me,
like my little 0. my little 0 is a great studio guitar. it's the one i've
had the longest, and i love that guitar. my j-40 is good for very full,
loud songs, and i find the d-35s are good for stuff where you need a
little warmth. you can pick, and with kind of soft strumming, they sound
really full but present, too.

jpr: emily, you have similar kinds of divisions of labor for your guitars?

es: for acoustic guitar, i have mainly two that i use. the d-45's a little
lighter, a little crispier, and it's really good for picking; and the j-40,
i get a little more meat out of. on certain songs, maybe someone in the
audience couldn't tell if i'm playing one or the other, like 'galileo,' but
to me, 'galileo' feels so natural on that d-45, and when i play it on the
other one, it just feels weird. sonically, i can tell the difference.

jpr: you commented on stage that your new album will be straight acoustic.
how far down the road is that project?

ar: as soon as we write the songs, we're going to do it. we have a year of
touring to do before we can do it. we just feel like making an acoustic
record after this, and i know we'll still feel like it when the time comes.

jpr: hearing your cover of 'down by the river' earlier tonight reminded me
of neil young and the way he's drawn to extremes. it seems like there's a
connection to what you're doing. do you feel that way at all?

ar: he's one of my favorites of all time. he's my main man. definitely.
we're drawn to extremes.

es: i don't think we set up any boundaries for ourselves as far as what
we want to try or how we want to play. whatever we feel compelled to do,
that's what we do, even if it's a disaster.

gearbox:

emily saliers and amy ray play a battery of martin guitars. ray's main ones
are an 0-18, a black j-40m, a d-35, and a j-40 12-string. "i've never found
anything that sounded better," says ray. "i've played everything. i'll hear
bruce springsteen take a takamine, and i'll go, 'oh my god, i want to sound
like that,' and then i'll play it and it doesn't sound as good. i play so
hard. martins are great 'cause they're bluegrass instruments and you can bang
on them." like most bluegrass players, she uses medium-gauge strings - a
martin set. ray also has several guitars made by kent everett (2338 johnson
ferry, atlanta, ga 30341 (770)451-2485), including a 12-string and two
six-strings, one of which she uses on stage as a high-strung guitar for the
song "mystery." "his guitars sound the best of the guitars that i've heard
high-strung," she says. "i love the sound of a high-strung guitar, but it's
the kind of thing that you don't want to overuse."

saliers' main acoustics are a brazilian rosewood d-35, a rare koa d-45, and
a j-40, all strung with d'addario lights. she also plays an alvarez-yairi
classical and a wood-bodied dobro (which she used on "this train revised"
from 'swamp ophelia.') for electrics, she plays a mid-'60s stratocaster and
an "old, cheesy" national through either a vox ac-30 reissue or a peavey 50
classic with two 12-inch speakers.

both saliers and ray use shubb capos and dunlop tortex picks. saliers also
sometimes uses a thumbpick along with her bare fingers. "i've never gotten
quite used to (fingerpicks)," she says. "they make your fingers feel
disconnected from what's going on." using bare fingers also allows her to
switch easily from fingerpicking to strumming, as she often does in midsong.

ray and saliers use l.r.baggs pickups and tc electronics preamps for the
amplification of all their acoustics except saliers' dobro, which has a
highlander pickup. "we're picky, picky," says ray. "i mean i can hear a
string imbalance in the middle of a crowded bar. it's important to me. the
guitar has to be an extension of you in order to perform with it, so it's
got to sound great in a crappy bar or a big room. its not (about having) the
most expensive equipment; it's just the guitar has to feel like _you_." they
use no other effects on their acoustics, except for when saliers switches to
an amp sound for an occasional slide break.

clearly ray and saliers are tone fanatics, although they don't consider
themselves ture guitarheads. "we're not equipment goobers," ray says, "but
there's nothing wrong with equipment goobers. some of my best friends are."

-jeffrey pepper rodgers

hey y'all!
    because i got a lot of people asking for a list of the quotes i
got, here is a very abridged list of some quotes.  i tried to keep it
short, considering i have 20 pages of quotes to choose from, so that
the digest folks wouldn't be ticked off (if you are, please don't flame
me!!).  if your interested in an unabridged copy of my quotes (i have a
lot of really good ones that were just kinda long so i didn't type
them), drop me a line! enjoy!
    leah

monsieur to a convict, is like a glass of water to a man dying of
thirst at sea. ignominy thirsts for respect.
victor hugo

it will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and
the airforce has to hold a bakesale to buy a bomber.

make your words sweet because you might have to eat them.

beautiful faces are those that wear whole-souled honesty printed there.

a restriction is only restricing because you know it exists.

prejudice is the child of ignorance.

life is either a daring adventure or nothing. to keep our faces
towards change and behave like free free spirits in the presenceof fate
is strength undefeatable.

we (women) are not more moral, we are only less corrupted by power.

a single bracelet does not jingle.

if there is light in the soul,
there will be beauty in the person.
if there is beauty in the person,
there will be harmony in the house.
if there is harmony in the house,
there will be order in the nation.
if there will be order in the nation,
there will be peace in the world.

you have to laugh at yourself, because you'd cry your eyes out if you
didn't.
(who said that? gee, i wonder)

twist the words and place the blame, tell me now, aren't we the same?
miz amy ray

"and remember kids, be free; be whoever you are; do whaever you want,
just as long as you don't hurt someone."
hair

your friends will know you better in the first minute you meet than
your aquaintances will know you in a thousand years.
richard bach

the bond that links your true family is not one of blood, but of
respect and joy in each other's life. rarely do members of one family
grow up under the same roof.
richard bach

argue for your limitations, and sure enough, their yours.
killashandra 'crystal singer'

your conscience is the measure of the honesty of your selfishness.
listen to it carefully.
richard bach

here is a test to find out whether your mission on earth is finished:
if your alive, it isn't.
ricard bach

fighting for peace is like fucking for virginity.

they are not afraid of what we are against.  they are afraid of what we
are for.  what we are for is so much more powerful than what we are
against.
        kathleen berry

definitions are limiting.  limitations are deadening.  to limit one
self is a kind of suicide.  to limit another is a kind of murder.  to
limit poetry is a hiroshimaof the human spirit.
        tom robbins

you can talk a great philosopy, but if you can't be kind to people
everyday then it doesn't matter much to me.
ani difranco

there are no happy endings because nothing ends.
smendrick, the last unicorn

how do i find out more information about the indigo girs....such as how
to get their older music that was not released with epic. if there is
anyway that i can find this information, please let me know. thanks a
lot.

wacina@hotmail.com

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subj:    an evening at the fox.......
date:    97-11-28 03:54:50 est
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can they get any better?  with special appearances by michelle malone,
caroline aiken and gerard mchugh.  i was almost on the verge of tears....
sounding as good as they ever could.... and then :  michelle, amy and emily
brought this huge smile to my face... "wild horses" .  just when you thought
you couldn't get enough, amy is all alone on the stage singing "romeo and
juliet".  gerard comes out and low and behold "thin line" . then, then...
caroline emerges ... "can't find my way home" (blind faith)  ... not to
mention a trip down memory lane with the sweet tune of "southland in the
springtime" and "let it be me" . never did i imagine the intensity of "don't
give that girl a gun" until seeing amy do it like she did last nite.  (yes, i
saw it her do it twice before, but.....)   amy was flowin' like a mad poet
during "scooterboys" and playing like the rocker she is on "shed your skin".
she even made "chickenman" tolerable... :o)   emily is the true queen of
guitar as we all know, but the way she jammed during the solos of every song
made my just shiver all over.  (like it was flowing from her soul) i must say
her performance of "leeds" was extrodinary, reaching into my gut.  and there
was much crowd participation during the favorites.. "galileo", "least
complicated"  and "closer to fine".

so much more to tell... will con't in the review of the november 26 show....

and to top it off the opening act was good too....

poet***

"oh, the fear i've known, that i might reap the praise of strangers and end
up on my own. all i've sown was a song, but maybe i was
wrong......unforgiving the choice still is the language or the kiss." - emily
sailers

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hi everyone!!
i thought i would go ahead and post the set lists from tuesday and
wednesday night.
opening act:  david ryan harris
11-25-97
three hits
least complicated
southland in the springtime
shame on you (w/michelle malone)
thin line (w/gerard mchugh)
get out the map
don't give that girl a gun (w/michael lorrant)
let it be me
shed your skin
can't find my way home (blind faith cover w/caroline aiken)
tried to be true (w/michelle malone)
****romeo and juliet**** -highlight of both shows for me...incredible
crowd response
leeds
scooter boys
galileo
encore:
wild horses (w/mm)
chickenman
closer to fine (everyone)caroline couldn't quite remember her lines and
amy points to the crowd like "hear them, they know it".  and smiles...:)
(somewhere in the set my friend swears they did po2....????)
this is the best show (#14) that i've ever been too.  we were sitting in
the loge but the view was great and we weren't too far away.  the crowd
was so loud it hurt my ears.
so much energy atlanta!!!

11-26-97
opening act: danielle howle and the tantrums ....a&e did a song w/ them:
amy on mandeolin and emily on keyboards
tangled up in blue- awesome!
shame on you
it's alright
land of canaan
ghost
thin line
get out the map
don't give that girl a gun (tuesday night we were sure she was almost in
tears while doing the extra chorus at the end...emily looked concerned
too)
shed your skin
can't find my way home (w/ca)
scooter boys
hey kind friend
bury my heart at wounded knee
chicken man
galileo
encore:
southland in the springtime
cover song? by the band w/danielle & tantrums sara on keyboards and
vocals
closer to fine w / everybody (same as last night without mm)

the energy level was not like the first night but it's to be expected.
i got a really cool shirt that is designed by sara lee. i didn't have
quite enough $$ for the 25.00 shirts and the sara shirt is really cute.
(it was only 12.00 dollars)
umm...sorry i didn't get to meet anyone from the list...but i did notice
lots of people that were there both nights. thanks for reading!
marsha.......(.can't wait for that ppv-lf....tomorrow night!!!! )
--
~~~~~~~~~~~~~i got hopes of immortality......-amy ray~~~~~~~~~~~~~

hey y'all,

is there a shaming of the sun poster available from the fan club? does
anyone know the price and the success of asking them not to fold the darn
thing?

--sunny,

hi! i feel i must warn everyone before you read this.... this is my
first concert review (it's only my second ig concert) and so frankly, i
don't blame you if you want to save yourself and hit delete right now!!
:)

ok, first let me brag a little and say i got a setlist, a guitar string,
and amy's autograph and shook my goddess's beautiful hand!!!
sorry, had to get that out...

onto the concert.  here's the setlist (or at least the one i got after
the show) complete with comments from me :
tangled up in blue (i was sooooo excited to finally hear this song
live!)
shame on you (it was about like it normally is)
it's alright (a lot of people cheered on the "if you hate me cause i'm
gay" part)
land of canaan
ghost (i almost passed out when i heard the first chord...never thought
i'd ever hear it live....it was absolutely beautiful)
thin line (gerard mchugh was there!  he was cool...he was really cute
dancing around on stage)
get out the map (everyone just loved this one..)
don't give that girl a gun (everyone sat down for this one....i guess
b/c it's emotional and amy put a lot of expression into it)
least complicated (the audience sang several lines and really got into
the nah nah's)
shed your skin
can't find my way (with caroline aiken...she was pretty cool)
scooter boys (this was really intense, and amy added some really cool
verse at the end...that was mostly talking and a little hard to
understand)
leeds (or so it says on my setlist...they actually played hey kind
friend, which was really pretty)
bury my heart at wounded knee (!!!!  i was sooooo excited!!  i didn't
think they played this one much anymore...amy said something like "i
hope we all remember it.")
chickenman (it was pretty good...for some reason everyone sat
down...they've done longer versions of this at other concerts)
galileo (it rocked!!  it was the best live version i've heard...the
audience was really into it!!  everyone had been yelling for this one
pracically since the show started)
encore:
southland in the springtime (this was perfect to do in georgia!  eveyone
loved it and cheered at the "when god made me born a yankee he was
teasin'" sorry all you northerners....:)  it was really pretty)
acadian driftwood (with danielle howle and the tantrums....they were
really cool..good song)
closer to fine (of course)

well, lets see.....during one of the opening songs danielle said "we're
going to have 2 special friends...very special friends come out and play
with us.." and amy and emily came out and emily played the keyboard and
amy played the guitar. it was a pretty good song, i don't know the name
of it though.

ok, fashion update :) :
emily:  jeans and a burgandy button up shirt not tucked in
amy:  blue (courdaroy maybe?) pants and a typical amy shirt--tucked in
pastel button up with flowers)
me:  levis and a light bluish green button up shirt (hee hee)

after the show (the best part to me):
my friend kim and i made our way down to the stage from our seats (which
were about 20th row) and we yelled for sulli and asked politely (with a
sign) for a setlist. she smiled at our sign and handed me a set list!

next, we went to the back to wait for them to come out (along with about
20 other people).
danielle came out and chatted with us for about 20 minutes...she was
really nice and really funny. someone asked how old she was and she
said 29.

while we were waiting, one of the guitar techs came out with a 5 or 6
guitar strings. he said he was restringing a couple of amy and emily's
guitars and we could have the strings...so my friend and i each took one
and gave the rest to other people.

emily came out after about 30 minutes. she said she was in a hurry and
couldn't sign autographs, but she was polite and said happy
thanksgiving, thanks for coming, etc... one girls gave her some flowers
and she thanked her....then she left
then a guy came out and said it would probably be another hour (which it
was) before amy came out. but we waited anyway. there were only about
10 people left now.

amy finally came out and signed the girl closest to the door's ticket
stub.  the harmonica man (dave someone or other) was being really rude
and kept saying "she's in a hurry and there will be no autograph
signing"  to which amy (being the incredibly nice person she is)
responded "it's ok..i'll sign them all...not to make you out to be a
lier dave, but it's alright"
and so as she signed my friend's ticket i (being the dork i am and not
being able to think of anything to say) said "ohmygod, i think i'm going
to cry!"  amy looked right at me, smiled, and said "come on, don't
cry!"  then she signed my ticket and i just stood there one foot away
from my goddess....and after she signed 2 more i said (stupidly again)
"can i shake you hand just for a second"  so she said "sure" and stuck
out her hand and i held it for a minute.  and let me tell you...my left
hand will never be the same again... :-)
and then we left for the 3 hour drive back home...screaming practically
the whole way back!

now here's my questions:
1)  did anyone boot this concert?????
2)  did anyone from the list by any chance wait by the door too?  if so,
i was the little tiny short girl with short blond hair and a brown
leather jacket.... :-)
3)  did anyone boot this concert?????
4)  can anyone give me the correct set list if this one isnt'---this is
just what the one sulli gave me says...
5)  did anyone boot this concert?????
6)  does anyone know who actually writes out the set lists?
and finally 7)  did anyone boot this concert?????  :-)

well, take care and sorry this was sooooo long...if you made it all the
way through, i congratulate you!! seriously....

take care and thanks y'all!!!!

sharon

just a quick question...

who is opening for the girls here in columbus on the 1st? does anyone know?

thanks

heathera

"shut up!" "no you shut up!" "no you shut up!" -dharma and greg
visit the dharma and greg site to learn more!
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we'll talk indigo

hey kind friends,

the second atlanta show was most awesome.  danielle howle and the tantrums
opened, and amy and emily joined them on their last number.  the girls
didn't sing any then, only played.  i don't remember the actual setlist,
but i can say that first was tangled up in blue (with an excellent
harmonica solo), then shame on you, and

(in _random_ order)

land of canaan
shed your skin (? with simone simonton of lift)
get out the map
thin line (with gerard mchugh)
dgtgag
galileo
chickenman (with a great soc)
it's alright
least complicated (emily requested we sing along!)
_____?______ with caroline aiken
bmhawk

encores: southland in the springtime, , closer to fine

i know i've missed a few...

the show was great; amy seemed really pumped. both seemed to be in high
spirits. there weren't too many "slow" songs; the crowd stayed rowdy and on
its feet most of the time. the fox was a very posh venue. security didn't
check at all, but it did try to make people clear the aisles.