lifeblood: listlogs: 1997-12a


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date:         sun, 30 nov 1997 23:59:11 -0500
reply-to:     missmoll99@aol.com
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from:         molly panek <missmoll99@aol.com>
subject:      re: ticket question :-)

i was under the impression that when you go to the venue to buy tickets you
are buying through the ticketmaster that is located at that venue, so that it
is no different from standing in line anywhere else. in that case it wouldn't
really matter how many people were in front of you because all ticketmaster
locations around the state would start selling at the same time.  (i could be
wrong about this. does anyone know for sure?)  i also know that they save
tickets, probably for promotional reasons.  i had friend who called a few
hours before the ann arbor show and got third row, so it may be a good idea
to bug them every, oh, hour or so in the days just before the show to see
what they have!!!

molly o+

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 16:13:22 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      male-bashing and turkey-bashing
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hey folks,

before this male-bashing/turkey-bashing debate takes over the
list, could we take it to private email?  thanks.
sherlyn

ps - everybody send me good ticket vibes for the fifteen
tickets i have to buy tomorrow morning!  better send me
hope-your-credit-card-doesn't-explode vibes too... hehe.
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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 00:28:15 -0500
reply-to:     amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
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from:         amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
subject:      re: ticket question :-)
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here's the advice that i was given...go to the most remote ticketmaster
location you can find, get there early, and be sure the ticketmaster
epople are ready at exactly the time the tix go on sale!  try publix
ticketmaster outlets...worked for me

ahem, that would be "people" not "epople"

amy

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 00:30:43 -0500
reply-to:     michelle struna <mds31@cornell.edu>
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from:         michelle struna <mds31@cornell.edu>
subject:      udel boot
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i was wondering if anyone out there has a copy of the university of
delaware show. i emailed someone a while ago, but received no response. i'd
love to give a copy to my best friend whom i brought to the show for her
birthday. if anyone can help, please email me privately.

thanks in advance

michelle

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 00:30:08 -0500
reply-to:     fredumnow@aol.com
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from:         "staci k. bitton" <fredumnow@aol.com>
subject:      anyone in phoenix? (nigc)

hello all,

i am new to the phoenix, az area and the list and was wondering if anyone on
the list lives near or around phoenix.  i am trying to meet some people down
here and want to find people with my same interests.  drop me an email if
your interested in talking.

staci


"we are climbing jacob's ladder" -amy ray

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 01:07:54 -0500
reply-to:     sarah pinsker <spinsker@goucher.edu>
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from:         sarah pinsker <spinsker@goucher.edu>
subject:      ig article
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yikes!  i just got back from visiting my parents and  came back to lots
and lots and lots of unread messages. toronto was rainy and the roads
today were gross and crowded but i had a nice visit and ate a nice
dinner at a restaurant run by drag queens and found out that there's a
new book superstore there called "indigo", so i was hoping it would be a
good luck charm and have the new curve with a & e on the cover, but it
*still* isn't out, and i smuggled my big guitar amp and my four track
back across the border, which means my cute little 8 by 12 room now
contains three guitars (anyone wanna buy a takamine 12 string?)  my
mandolin, two amps, mic and mic stand, four track...oh yeah, and the bed
and stereo and stuff too...i'm getting a bit crowded in here...

anyway, to everybody who wants the ig article i said i would send them,
please be patient, if i haven't responded to you yet i will soon...i've
got a ton of people who want a copy of the magazine or the article
itself...i'll get to you all tomorrow...

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

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date:         sun, 30 nov 1997 22:03:20 -0800
reply-to:     "emily d. mark" <emark@scf-fs.usc.edu>
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from:         "emily d. mark" <emark@scf-fs.usc.edu>
subject:      west coast tour info
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i have been signed off the list for about a week, and i was hoping any new
info about the california tour could be forwarded to me :) i am dying to
see the girls for the first time.. pretty please with sugar on top? i need
to know when tickets go on sale, what the venues are, etc.... depending on
where the concert in santa barbara is being held, i may be in line for
backstage passes :)
thanks in advance..

emily

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 01:11:10 -0800
reply-to:     laura chandra <lcasey@student.umass.edu>
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from:         laura chandra <lcasey@student.umass.edu>
subject:      re: fan club newsletter...
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what is the fan club newsletter?  any information would be appreciated.
thanks!

laura

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 01:28:26 -0400
reply-to:     rhcp@alpha.wcoil.com
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from:         bethany <rhcp@alpha.wcoil.com>
subject:      anyone have these boots?!
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okey doke...
i've been asking about these on and off for a while, but now i'm just
gonna post the whole list.  does anyone have any of these boots?!

july 18, 1997      - red rocks ampitheater-denver, co
august 10, 1997    - polaris ampitheater-columbus, oh (l.f.)
september 16, 1997 - zembo temple-harrisburg, pa (h.t.e.)
november 4, 1997   - cultural center-charleston, w.v. (mt. stage)
november 15, 1997  - u. of dayton arena-dayton, ohio

any info. would be appreciated! just drop me an e-mail!

take care!
-bethany ;)

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date:         sun, 30 nov 1997 22:29:22 -0800
reply-to:     carolyn <underdog@earthlink.net>
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from:         carolyn <underdog@earthlink.net>
subject:      nine west lilith fair cd
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hi

has anyone out there got an extra copy of this cd?  it had a previously
released indigo girls track.  if you do, and if you would like to part with
it, please contact me.

thanks

carolyn

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 01:44:26 -0500
reply-to:     michael dorfman <maddorf@eden.rutgers.edu>
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from:         michael dorfman <maddorf@eden.rutgers.edu>
subject:      ig in nyc????
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  whoa!!!did  anyone else catch this on the botom of the fan club
newsletter. does anyone have the date? when do tix go on sale?  my dream
come true. i can finally
take my best friend (and x-girlfriend) to finally see her first ig show
becuz she was introduced to them by none other than myself. (as well as i
would love to see my 3rd ig concert.) anyways, back into lurkdom.

        miked.
ps- a me too on the delaware boot if anyone has it .  thanks.

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on sun, 30 nov 1997, sandy ng wrote:

> i got this from alt.music.indigo-girls where someone was
> kind enough to transcribe it. thought everyone would want
> to read it.
>
> sandy
> :)
>
>
> >
> > taken from the indigo girls fan club newsletter
> >
> > hello-
> >     well...we're in the midst of it all and i'm in a plane somewhere
> > over west va. we just got done with mountain stage radio, where we
> > performed with kacey crowley, terri binion, danielle howle and the
> > tantrums, and merrie armistead. what a fun show- nothing beats public
> > radio. as soon as we got off the honor tour we were headed back out
> > again to play colleges. what a year- lilith-honor and colleges...it's
> > been a blast! our band continues to experiment and hopefully keep it all
> > interesting for the audience...we have one more month with sara and
> > jerry until we enter into the duo world again. musically i've been
> > constantly inspired by all of it and still feel as excited as the first
> > day i picked up a guitar.
> >     honor was a total success- although i would say that i haven't had
> > time to absorb all the pieces yet. the east coast is a different animal
> > with a completely different set of issues from the west. although in a
> > broader sense it's all the same battle for autonomy and respect. please
> > stay involved as much as possible- a lot of what we learn through this
> > campaign can help us on many levels and in other issues that we are
> > involved with.
> >     our year looks full from where i sit- with one more winter tour then
> > we are off to australia for last part of feb., first weeks of march.
> > after that it's a mixture of the highschool dates, college shows, rock
> > club shows, and one more lilith fair to end our season. by the end of it
> > we plan on having enough material to think about a new album. much of
> > the coming year will be played out as a duo. oh...i did forget, in
> > january we will be back on the west coast.
> >     i would like to send out some thankyous to all of the honor
> > volunteers- especially the road crew. wow! they really gave a lot of
> > energy to make it happen.
> >     on a personal note- i have a new niece and nephew- laurie and
> > nathan. i just finished the biography of che- and at the moment am
> > immersed in the comic book- kabuki. my last movie was year of the horse-
> > but i have also wasted some time on bad television. i did get to see the
> > season premier of x-files. i had hopes of writing my own episode- but
> > now all my theories are started to unravel. i'm listening to girls
> > against boys, the putumaya collections (latino!latino!, islands, celtic
> > world), and of course all the great new daemon bands- danielle howle and
> > the tantrums, terri binion, and lift.
> >     on the political front...we will be playing a benefit in boston for
> > wand (women's action for new directions) and a show called virginia
> > slam- to protest the cigarette industry's exploitation of young women
> > and the arts...that will be in nyc in january.
> >     i can't thank everyone enough....see you later.
> >
> > -a ray
> >
>
>
> amy really does like the x-files!
>
>
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>                                          -fox mulder
> 'equal partners in a mystery'
>                          -emily saliers
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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 05:53:22 -0500
reply-to:     jennifer l wicker <wicker@iquest.net>
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from:         jennifer l wicker <wicker@iquest.net>
subject:      indiana
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hey y'all.
is anybody hitting in on the 9th?

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 08:15:28 -0500
reply-to:     michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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from:         michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
subject:      re: anyone have showtime? (nigc)
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just to reiterate (yeah - i want a copy of showtime as well - u2 rock)
if anyone is a newbie out there - tape this! really if you want a bunch of
boots - just post to a newsgroup and you will get tons of offers - man
bootleg trading is way to easy these days, i spent like, two years looking
for a specific rem show (the last one of green tour) (igc - the back of the
tape had the athens music fest on it and i was totally converted) man now
you can find complete ani shows from this year on the web (check out alan
storms page) from chicago and central park.
this show should be great - the first hour is on mtv - but u2 play the
better songs (imho) toward the end of the current tour set.

mike r.

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 09:04:19 est
reply-to:     mindy isacoff <chinacat11@juno.com>
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from:         mindy isacoff <chinacat11@juno.com>
subject:      nyc?

will someone please send me info on nyc date.
how do you subscribe to the fan club so i can get info direct? i am new
to this so if ii have broken any rules, please forgive me !!!
thanx,
mindy

everything in its own time

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 08:32:28 -0600
reply-to:     deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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from:         deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
subject:      re: fan club newsletter...
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at 01:11 am 12/1/97 -0800, laura chandra wrote:
>what is the fan club newsletter?  any information would be appreciated.
>thanks!

the fan club newsletter is the item you hope you get each time you sign-up
for with the fan club through rcam and never receive.

hope that helped some.

deb ;)

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 07:58:12 pst
reply-to:     delilah fulcher <deegees@hotmail.com>
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when will the indigo girls if they ever go on tour?
whats their newest albulm?
where are they from?

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 11:38:10 -0500
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dayton, so this is such a blessing to me.  i was gonna take my son, but =
he's not real into their music...so i'm taking my mom to her first ig =
concert.  i cannot tell you how you made my day twink...and you too =
barb.  thanks for winning these tix.  i love you guys!!!!   here i come =
amy and emily...second row.   life is so sweet.

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 12:01:42 -0500
reply-to:     melissa faurest <mfaurest@dmlo.com>
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from:         melissa faurest <mfaurest@dmlo.com>
subject:      lilith fair on ppv to trade
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hello everybody!!  i hope you all had a great thanksgiving.
i am writing because i taped the lilith fair on ppv on friday,
but so did my roommate!!  i would really like to get a couple
of ig cds, so i was wondering if anyone wanted to trade for
this video.  i am really looking for:  club r&r, reverse 1 live,
shades of indigo, complicated girls, or any other cd with
the girls that i don't have.

let me know privately if you are interested.

have a great monday,
melissa

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 13:29:05 -0500
reply-to:     marci513@aol.com
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from:         marci gluck <marci513@aol.com>
subject:      lehigh boot?

anyone have a copy of the lehigh show from last month?  i met the girls after
this show and would love to trade for a copy.  also, if anyone has a boot
from ani difranco's show at summerstage (ny) from this summer i would love
that one as well.

thanks!
marci

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 13:42:01 edt
reply-to:     becky steele/ventana <becky_steele/ventana.itp@lgate.vmedia.com>
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from:         becky steele/ventana <becky_steele/ventana.itp@lgate.vmedia.com>
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so am i just not with it today or does this mean that the ig episode will air
on dec. 3?

too much cold medicine....becky

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 15:02:46 -0500
reply-to:     lynda@csg-soft.com
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all this ellen talk...i got a question. who were ellen and her gfriend
talking about...the cd they both refered to?  3 different people have
asked me who this womyn is, i'm lacking on my lesbian triva!!

thanx

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 15:12:47 -0500
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>at 01:11 am 12/1/97 -0800, laura chandra wrote:
>>what is the fan club newsletter?  any information would be appreciated.
>>thanks!
>
>the fan club newsletter is the item you hope you get each time you sign-up
>for with the fan club through rcam and never receive.
>
>hope that helped some.
>
>deb ;)


i sent my address in writing, and actually got something in the mail. maybe
you should try that. i think it works better that way.

                                        -heather

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donna <donna2@unm.edu> wrote:
>and, ok, i'm very definately out-of-touch, but what the hell is this:
>
><< emily's current favorite cd is
> >missy elliot's "supa dupa fly" >>

see <http://www.elektra.com/randb_club/missy/missy.html>.  and according to
<http://www.rockontv.com>, she'll be on family matters this week (friday, 9pm,
cbs) singing her hit single "sock it to me."

=-=-=-=
sunny <sun@swcp.com> wrote:
>  is there a shaming of the sun poster available from the fan club?  does
>anyone know the price

$9.50

=-=-=-=
benjamin slavin <verdi@imap2.asu.edu> wrote:
>  actually, i really aprreciated you sending that out. that's why we have
>a little thing called "nigc".

the thing is, there are very low volume alternatives for people who want ani
news.  so, yeah, a little nigc about related artists is okay (especially if
you're making recommendations).  but if it's a long forwarded message,
especially about someone who has their own list, i think it'd be better to
*summarize* the news in an otherwise igc message, and let others request
further info if they want to.  it's just a matter of consideration, and that's
how *i* personally would do it, but there's not a list rule about it (except
for chain letters), so people should use their best judgement.

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horses1975@aol.com wrote:
>does anyone know what amy's new tattoo is?
it's a pattern across her breastbone; you can see part of it when she wears
v-necks.

=-=-=-=
mandi martin <mandi96@airmail.net> wrote:
>>there's got to be something
>>redeeming in this man that keeps him from getting booted off the tour bus.
>
>the redeeming thing about dave is that he actually does his job.  this
>isn't a flame, but dave's job is not to please us as fans, it's to make
>sure that amy and emily get where they need to be when they need to be
>there.

exactly!  for those of you who have jobs, haven't you ever worked with someone
who is really good at what they do but not so great in terms of social graces?
maybe that's dave.  frankly, i couldn't care less if amy and emily themselves
were rude and abrasive, as long as they keep putting out great music.

=-=-=-=
e.m. lorenz <lizlorenz@aol.com>
>and while this is most certainly not a list for male
>bashing, it should not be criticized for becoming a forum for feminism and
>woman's issues.  after all, it is more  than a gossip column of the private
>lives of emily and amy, isn't it?

that's kind of a cheap shot; this list spends little to no time discussing
their private lives because it's off-limits as explained in the list faq.

=-=-=-=

laura chandra <lcasey@student.umass.edu> wrote:
>what is the fan club newsletter?  any information would be appreciated.

it's a newsletter from ig's management, russell carter artist management, that
comes out, oh, annually, bi-anually, whenever they feel like it.  when it does
come out, it's kind of cool because it has hand-written letters from a&e about
what they've been up to.  you can write to the rcam address on the cds, or i
think if you click on the fan club link at http://www.indigogirls.com and fill
in the form it goes to rcam.  one happy side-effect is that daemon scavenges
addresses from that list too (or at least they used to), and they send out
more info than rcam does.

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i just wanted to write and say that i had the great pleasure of dining
saturday night with the ever-so-charming don richards, his delightful
wife peg, and the inimitable miss deidre, of indigohio, while they were
visiting here in chicago.  for any of you who have ever made a
connection through the list but hesitated to do the in-person follow-up,
i can only say that those folks i've met via the
list have been an incredible bunch, well worth spending time with
outside the confines/safety of the monitor screen.  (ok, ok, we all
remember the usual caveats about public places, etc.,etc.)
what a great bunch we are, y'know? and now, i propose we raise our
collective glasses in a toast to ourselves and all things indigo,
including (but not limited to) the recent birthday of mel, the safe
return of the richards clan to ohio, and the ig columbus show.
altogether now: "we are fortunate ones, fortunate ones, i swear!"
peace-nic

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subject:      wolftrap, 5-28-92  bless its blank little side :)

hi all!!  i recently broke out my copy of wolftrap, vienna, va 5-28-92 and,
while i did enjoy hearing the a side, the b side is decidedly blank ;)
anybody have a two-side copy of this boot?  i would be most appreciative and
have lots to trade.

jude :)

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hey y'all!

i'm delurking to post this today cuz twink! and i just got back from the
cd101 big room show and i'm still in a state of shock!  i can't believe
that i won these tickets!  the show aired here in columbus oh at around
3:00 this afternoon (i think!) and we got to see a & e perform and
interview live on the radio with a small but rowdy crowd of enthusiastic
fans! i guess they just got off the plane and headed over there! <vbg>
they played "shame on you", "get out the map" and "shed your skin" (sys
was awesome!)

afterward, they were nice enough to sign autographs and i got my cd
signed and twink! got her shirt signed by both of them!  at first, they
seemed like they weren't going to have time, but they were really cool
about it and i think that they really respect fans like us!

i still can't believe it!  now we're getting ready to go downtown for
the show at the palace and see the show!  this has been the most amazing
ig year ever for me!

what can i say? ig rules!!!!

peace,
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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 16:50:47 -0500
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subject:      re: boston show

does anyone know if there's a pit at the
orpheum?

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i'm really sorry if someone posted what i'm about to post.  i'm get the
digest.
when you go get tickets through ticketmaster, do go early and to one
that will not be swamped with people.  but, be aware of blocks on
locations outside of a certain area.  for example, my friend and i went
to buy sarah mclachlan tix for her show in chicago.  we go to school in
central illinois, so we didn't expect anyone else to be there.  there
wasn't, but ticketmaster put a block on all ticket outlets outside of
chicago.  so, we ended up in the last row.  knowing that, we did
charge-by-phone for or ig tickets, but we still didn't get great seats.
c'est la vie.

teryn


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subject:      dec. 5th show and tour shirts

hey all--

will the rest of the band still be touring with the girls, or will they
be on their own for the dec. 5th show in cedar rapids?

also, i was wondering if ig ever sells tour t-shirts for children.  my 4
year old niece always asks me if she can listen to the girls when she is
riding with me in my car (more like tells me that she wants to listen to
them).  her favorite song is chickenman!

i would like to get her a shirt if possible--i think i'll wait a few
years before i take her along with me to a show!

thanks for any help,
angela
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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 20:35:00 -0500
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hello list-
several months ago, i was surfing the net and came across someone's
transcription of the words to this song.  i noticed that it said "there's a
tumor growing in our own backyard", instead of "a tremor growing
in our own backyard", and i thought it was hilarious!  that just makes
me laugh for some reason, because i always thought it was "tremor" and
a tumor growing in our backyard is a just soooo funny!

anyway, i didn't think much about it, until today when i came across
this same mistake made by a second person.  this time i thought, well,
leigh ann, it's probably you who is wrong about this tumor/tremor thing.
but alas, i referred to my handy liner notes to rites of passage, and ms.
ray did indeed write this line as "there's a tremor growing in our own
backyard".  so there you have it.  it's tremor; not tumor.  i always thought
it was just from hearing the song and not even looking at the written words.
it seems pretty clearly enunciated to me.  and besides, it makes a *whole
lot* more sense than having a tumor growing in your backyard!

please don't anyone flame me for this; i'm only trying to point something
out here.  and no offense to anyone who is guilty of this mistake, of course.
i got a good laugh out of it, so thanks!

have to go perform surgery on my lawn- it has a cyst of some sort.
(hope it's not malignant!)

lol,

leigh ann

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hi,

i'd really like a copy of this ppv. i have boots to trade or money or
whatever. i preferrably looking for a copy recorded in sp mode with
hi-fi sound.

i thought i had a copy. it didn't work out though.


a lesson learned,
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at 08:35 pm 12/1/97 -0500, leigh ann horn wrote:
>hello list-
>several months ago, i was surfing the net and came across someone's
>transcription of the words to this song.  i noticed that it said "there's a
>tumor growing in our own backyard", instead of "a tremor growing
>in our own backyard", and i thought it was hilarious!  that just makes
>me laugh for some reason, because i always thought it was "tremor" and
>a tumor growing in our backyard is a just soooo funny!

i'm sure that this mistake was made because on the austin city limits
broadcast in 1993 amy sang "tumor growing in out own back yard"

>and besides, it makes a *whole
>lot* more sense than having a tumor growing in your backyard!

surprisingly, i think that tumor is actually a better word than tremor
because it seems to me like it fits better with what amy is talking about.
one time i heard her say that j&e is about "people who are being guided by
fate and not doing anything about it"  seems like that she's saying that
the evil is spreading like a tumor right in our own back yards.  no one is
safe anymore.  we are all living with "fear in our heads, fear in our
hearts."  i really dig the tumor line and i wish that she would sing it
that way all the time.

my $0.02,
rob


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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 21:04:39 -0600
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calling all twin citians...

does anyone know if cities' 97 is doing a sampler this year?  i was in
minneapolis for a scant couple of days and didn't have time to get to a
record store over the weekend -- not that i could've seen it through that
lovely fog we had --  i didn't hear anything on the radio about it, and
they usually advertise the living daylights out of that thing. any info
y'all can help me with would be much appreciated.

thanks,
kate.

ps. if there is one, is it decent, or have they switched the samplers to
the "kqrs lite" format as well?

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         xena: warrior princess executive producer robert taper recently
         told the atlanta journal-constitution that the show's writers
         have purposefully inserted a homosexual subtext to the
         relationship between xena and her companion gabrielle.
         "we would never say xena or gabby is gay. but we are going to
         milk it for some -- if not all -- of what it's worth," said
         taper," the show isn't about sex, it's about love between two
         women who are the best of friends. the grown-ups get the
         subtext, but it goes right over the kids' heads."

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the girls are on tour right now.  i saw them in atlanta last week!!! their
newest album in "shaming of the sun", it came out in april of last year.  i
think it's pretty good (maybe i'm biased though because i love the indigo
girls), but some of the other albums are better- like rites of passage!!!
the girls are from decatur, georgia.  any more questions?
                                chelsea


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>whats their newest albulm?
>where are they from?
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im back and i got to give jerri ryan aka 7 iof 9 from star trek voyager a
hug on stage in front ov everyone

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hey kind friends!  i know there are several folks who are going to the
lousiville show.  i haven't heard of any list gathering before the show
or somewhere at the venue, but i would still love to meet some of you all.
i don't know what you look like, so here's a general description of
me (yes, i'm telling the whole world): i'm 5' 1", short/medium length
brown hair, average weight, and i'll be wearing a brown plaid blazer
with a cream-colored honor the earth '97 shirt underneath, and light colored
jeans.  i probably will not arrive at the theatre until between 7:30 and
8:00.   my work phone is (615) 749-1065 if anyone wants to arrange to meet
up somewhere at the venue. i can't wait for this show!!!  hope to meet
some of you there. :-d  p.s. - i will not be checking my e-mail tomorrow,
as i'll be leaving directly from work around 4:30.

peace and warm fuzzies,

joan :-d  (who has yet to receive her ig newsletter in the mail)

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 23:42:40 -0500
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mark anthony donajkowski wrote:
>
>          xena: warrior princess executive producer robert taper recently
>          told the atlanta journal-constitution that the show's writers
>          have purposefully inserted a homosexual subtext to the
>          relationship between xena and her companion gabrielle.
>          "we would never say xena or gabby is gay. but we are going to
>          milk it for some -- if not all -- of what it's worth," said
>          taper," the show isn't about sex, it's about love between two
>          women who are the best of friends. the grown-ups get the
>          subtext, but it goes right over the kids' heads."
>
hey y'all!  check out the newsgroup:  alt.tv.xena-subtext  for some
interesting discussions on the "subtext" on xwp.  the show itself
doesn't get as political as this discussion group!  just wanted to plug
my other obsession...after noticing some feminist discussions here,
thought some of you might want to check this out.  by the way, i think
the kids do get the subtext!  robert isn't fooling anyone!

i now return you to your regularly scheduled ig programming already in
progress...

barb
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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 23:51:12 -0500
reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      ellen confusion

there has been a misunderstanding about the ellen
episode with ig and sarah mclachlan.

december 3rd is the day the show is scheduled to
be filmed, not the day abc is scheduled to show it.

the show is not a live show, it is flimed, then edited,
and then it is aired.  the show will probably be
broadcast in early january!!!!!

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 23:56:53 -0500
reply-to:     elizabeth skipper <skippeec@muohio.edu>
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>>when will the indigo girls if they ever go on tour?
>>whats their newest albulm?
>>where are they from?

>any more questions?


yeah, just one: have the indigo girls ever been, you know, *together*?  ;)

hehe,
elizabeth


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~~~
"she could stop one's breath for a moment by a look
or a gesture that somehow revealed the meaning in common things."
-willa cather, _my antonia_

"to be nobody - but myself - in a world which is doing its best,
night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the
hardest battle which any human can fight, and never stop fighting."
-e. e. cummings

"to laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people
and affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics
and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to
find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by
a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to
know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived.  this
is to have succeeded."
-ralph waldo emerson

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 23:05:47 -0600
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subject:      activism page now up!
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hey y'all,

just wanted to let everyone know that the color me indigo activism page is
now up.  it is still in its very early stages, but stop by and check it out
when you get a chance.  also, the listee section is fairly small,so i still
need a bunch of y'all to offer some organizations to the list.  you don't
have to be a contact, that's just a little optional thing.  so if you are
involved with and/or support an organization that other listees might be
interested in,  just let me know and i'll add it to the list!  thanks!

to view the activism page directly go to:
http://members.tripod.com/~mandi_m/activism.html

from the color me indigo page:
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein/colormeindigo
and click on activism.

that's all.

peace,
mandi

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date:         mon, 1 dec 1997 22:22:36 -0700
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from:         "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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on mon, 1 dec 1997, elizabeth skipper wrote:

> >>when will the indigo girls if they ever go on tour?
> >>whats their newest albulm?
> >>where are they from?
>
> >any more questions?
>
>
> yeah, just one: have the indigo girls ever been, you know, *together*?  ;)
>
> hehe,
> elizabeth
>
>
> web page: http://www.muohio.edu/~skippeec
> icq page: http://wwp.mirabilis.com/4242341
> icq#: 4242341
> ~~~
> "she could stop one's breath for a moment by a look
> or a gesture that somehow revealed the meaning in common things."
> -willa cather, _my antonia_
>
> "to be nobody - but myself - in a world which is doing its best,
> night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the
> hardest battle which any human can fight, and never stop fighting."
> -e. e. cummings
>
> "to laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people
> and affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics
> and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to
> find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by
> a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to
> know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived.  this
> is to have succeeded."
> -ralph waldo emerson
>
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hmmm, this seems vaguely familiar. have i seen this discussion before?
seems like deja vu. oh well...maybe i'm just losing my mind. continue.

amy m.

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 00:33:57 est
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> i'd really like a copy of this ppv. i have boots to trade or money or
whatever. i preferrably looking for a copy recorded in sp mode with
hi-fi sound. i thought i had a copy. it didn't work out though. >


someone had agreed to tape this for me on november 28 when it was on. could
that someone please email me privately so i can actually write your info. down
this time. heeheehee. thanks and apologies to the list for b/w waste.

michelle

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 01:59:39 -0400
reply-to:     j nick dickert <nickleby@vt.edu>
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sorry for waste of bandwith, but i am interested in doing the card thing.
i got the address wrong, aol bounced (i was s.o.l.)  so, pplease add me?
i'd be most apprecieative.

carry on,

j. nick dickert
916-a giles road
blacksburg, va 24060
(540) 951-4983

http://ebbs.english.vt.edu/hthl3/pards/dickert/dickert.html

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*                 indigo girls
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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 18:18:49 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

first up - we all got fantabulous tickets for the sydney
concert!  yeah!  thanks for the good vibes. :)

next - folks with long signatures, could you either try to
trim them down to, say, about 6 lines, or else turn them
off when you post to the list?  have pity on the poor
digest folks who have to scroll through them...  thanks.

next - folks, could you try to cut down on the amount of
quoted material you use when replying?  you should always
cut out stuff like other peoples' signatures, text that
doesn't have anything to do with what you're replying to,
etc... again, have pity on the poor digest folks who have
to scroll through it all.

last, and completely nigc - i can't believe it, but i've
finished my degree!  all that's left now is to wait for my
final exam results.  i am so happy!

whoohoo, :)
sherlyn
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yeah, i was out here listening, oh yeah i was out here listening;
oh yeah i am out here listening all the time."    - dar williams

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 02:43:50 -0500
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hey y'all-

mel has returned to the south!

i read the humongous listserv logs to see what y'all been up to:

        <ack> how dare people talk about me when i'm not on list!
        "queen of the nice" - puhleese! don't ruin my list rep.
        you know who you 3 are, too. naughty, naughty! <ugh> cause i've
        gotten "so where's mine" mail & "i thought i was the only one"
        mail. so thanks. <grrr>

plus - *what is up* with all this regional jingoistic "hey our part of
the country is better than yours and we need a special little sub-list,
too!" stuff.

don't listers realize that is soooo anti-thetical to what ig are all
about. they actively promote inclusion - and we-who-love-them are now
trying to break apart into separate lists (tribes and nations).

why? toward what end? out of baigl jealousy - or some such thing?
please!

ok - flame away! (didn't y'all miss me!)

after reading the atlanta-fox reviews... i'm so jealous (cause i was
stuck up north wearing heavy coats & gloves *and* having to deal with
relatives <ugh>) that i could spit &/or scream!

plus - i could't see the lilith ppv either (insert more spitting &/or
screaming here)!

part 2 - re: dreaded dave

on sat, 29 nov 1997 17:33 est
leah susan <terrilee11@aol.com> wrote:

<snip(much complaining about dave)>
> their ornry coot of a road manager.....

then on sun, 30 nov
mandi martin <mandi96@airmail.net> wrote:

> the redeeming thing about dave is that he actually does his job.  this
> isn't a flame, but dave's job is not to please us as fans, it's to make
> sure that amy and emily get where they need to be when they need to be
> there.  and it's not his job to play the harmonica, that's just something
> they bring him up on stage for because he's good at it
<snip>
> (he works during
> the shows to make sure everything is going okay and everything will be
> ready for a&e after the show).
<snip>
> keep in mind that he has to deal with fans trying
> to meet amy and emily day in and day out as well as dealing with all
> problems that can come up in the touring plus millions of other details
> that have to be attended to.

i used to be a theatrical stage manager, and before that a crew member,
set builder, prop master, asm. i've loaded & unloaded sets and lights.
notice i said "used to be a stage manager" - i burned out... because i
started doing it before i was really ready (before i was emotionally
mature enough) for all the stress and for being all things to all
people.

i just wanted to thank mandi for sticking up for ig's mean, nasty road
manager and their crazy, messy-blond-haired harmonica player.

[no, i don't play the harmonica... i just have respect those who can
play *and* keep their heads while all about them are losing theirs and
blaming it on the harmonica player!]

:o)
peace...

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 04:20:51 -0400
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(a note to the random obies who i've sent this to:  i went to an indigo
girls concert (yeah, another one) tonight in columbus, and this is what
happened...  sorry for any confusion...let's see:  ig means indigo girls;
and danielle howle was the opener--i've got her cd-autographed too!- if
you want a listen; any x-files references pertain to amy ray(one half of
ig)'s obsession with said show; the 'beautiful lesbian' stuff is an
inside joke on my listserv; oh, and my stepbrother is a pilot, he
flies teensy little lear jets, and he's flying them to iowa from
california--where they're taping an ellen episode!--later this week.
okay.  read on.  and yes, i need a life--is missler's having a sale on
'em?)

hee hee...  for those of y'all who weren't at the marvelous columbus show,
here's my little bit of it:  i made a sign that said, "you're flying on
thurs.?- the pilot is my stepbrother" and flung it up.  amy saw it right
away, and i watched as she mouthed the words as she read it, this 'wow'
smile spreading across her face.  she turned to emily, and said something
to her, them emily looked at me and read it.  by then both of them were
kinda laughing, and stopped getting ready to start the next song.  i guess
it caught them off guard...amy takes her hands off her guitar, and says
into the mic, "this person (gestures to me) is holding up a sign that
says, 'you're flying on thursday? 'cause the pilot is my stepbrother.'"
like, a few hundred concert-goers turn and gawk at me.  amy and em are
standing up there, beaming down.  i'm just laughing, vaguely thrilled that
my beautiful lesbian goddesses are looking *right* at me.  but they didn't
let it drop there--they start freakin' talking to me, oh hee hee ha.  i
don't recall verbatim what they said (can anybody remember?  please email
me with the dialogue, cause i'd like it, for posterity, ya know!), but at
first they were like, "no way!  really?"  and then they go, "how d'ya
know?"  and i don't recall answering them, 'he *told* me (duh) ;)' but
somehow they had their answer--hmm...maybe it was an ig vulcan x-file-ish
mind meld.  heh.  and em was thinking that there's no way i could know,
thinking i was talking about some big airline company.  then it occurred
to amy, and she looks away from the now-busily-mulling-things-over emily,
and asks me, kinda gesturing, "...is it that little private lear jet?"
holding her open palms close to each other to indicate 'little'.  i'm
looking back and forth between the two of them, like watching a tennis
match between the two beautiful lesbian goddesses of the natural world,
and seeing amy doing this, i nod vigorously, say, yeah, the little one,
and hold up my thumb and forefinger in that "i'm squishing your head"
pose, to show just *how* little.  this clicks in em's head, and they start
asking me silly questions, like, "how old is he?...how many years has he
been a pilot?", which i *did not* (duh jill) know the answer to, hee, so i
just stand there watching them banter back and forth, not really saying
much but fascinated nonetheless.  "uh, he doesn't have a...habit...of, uh,
falling asleep when he's flying, does he?" one of them (which one?!  i
forget!) asks, mock concern on their faces. tee hee. i can't remember any
other exact questions, but they queried as to his career or crash record
or whatnot, and i replied, "he used to be a skydiver, so you're safe!",
which they found funny.  blah blah blah, i don't recall them actually
*stopping* talking to me, they just kinda slid into the next song after
carrying on a conversation with yours truly in front of, oh, only a few
thousand fans. no biggie.
oh oh oh, and *then* (yeah, okay, i'll shut up
soon), during galileo, they're singing, "some other fool across the ocean
years ago must've crashed his little..." --amy looks up and gestures to
me--"...airplane."  heh heh.  of course, i did not even notice this, i was
gazing intently at emily, who was extraordinarily radiant tonight (either
that, or i was casting a puzzled glance to this drunken threesome in the
front row, swaying back and forth in an exaggerated swagger, as emily gave
them an equally odd look).  but, oh, yeah, i did not notice that my
beautiful lesbian goddess was trying to communicate with me (having now
realized that i am her alpha and her omega, naturally); kirby grabbed my
shoulder and was like, "hey, that gesture was *for you*!", and i'll all,
"huh?  what?  eh?"
so yeah.  ya win some, ya miss some.  i ain't complainin'.  i feel so
*special* tonight, i could burst.
side note:
carol ann carol ann carol ann!  aren't ya just *seething* with envy now,
sugar?  hee hee hee hee.  don't worry, pumpkin, you're still my favorite
lesbian goddess.  well, at least when amy and em aren't in the room... ;)

i also chatted with danielle howle, saying, "you knock my socks off",
adding the disclaimer, "and i don't mean that in a suck-up, obnoxious,
shallow, kiss-up way."  ah, the things that come out of my mouth
sometimes.  (carol quit thinkin' what yer thinkin', that's bad.  *words*,
carol ann, i'm talking about *words*.)  did any of y'all know that ms.
howle used to be a *chef*?  (or was it just a cook?  i forget.  i forget
quite often, but how often i cannot say, cause, yeah, i forget).  she
thanked me for buying her cd and listening to her, and i'm aghast, like,
'no, no, no, thank *you* for doing what you're doing, cause you're
amazing!', to which she gave a little dreamy-eyed response, talking about
how she's living her dreams, and how it's just magic up there on stage.
aww, she's so cute!  (for those of y'all in attendance who heard someone
gush, rather loudly, okay, very loudly, about how cute she was-- some
obnoxious chick called up to her on stage, "you're *so* cute!"--oh, wait.
that was *me*.)  hee.  i schmoozed in an attempt to get her to play in the
land of over-educated hippies, oh, uh, i mean oberlin.  that, actually,
went over quite well.  seems she's looking for gigs (can you imagine?  one
day you're opening for the beautiful lesbian goddesses, and the next, poof
(like ellen's 'poof'), you're killing yourself to play the
teensy-angst-ridden-liberal-arts-college-circuit).  she gave me her email
so i can let her know if and when i beg/torture/bribe the powers that be
to let her play here.  her very own private email address, ooh wow, that
i'm *not allowed* to give to anyone else at all!  (picture me saying that
in a mock 3-yr.-old tone of voice and you've got it perfectly).  so i feel
extra-special.  it's mine, only mine, and nothing, nothing at all, nothing
whatsoever, could make me give it out.  okay, fine, twist my arm,...yes,
amy's hand in marriage--now, that's an entirely different story, but yeah,
okay, maybe, just maybe, that would be enough to make me part with it.
but until the beautiful lesbian goddess is standing on my dorm porch, ring
in fuzzy black box behind her back, no go.  ;)
this was one of the finer nights in my (very bad) ig-show memory.  yum.
jill
yeah, i'm shutting up now, congrats if you made it this far.  i need an
editor or two.

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 01:43:41 -0600
reply-to:     "barbara l. basaj" <barbarab@megsinet.net>
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you mean, the guy at the end of hey kind friend?  i think he was just "being a friend".  the list of musicians says "benjamin - words, friend"i'm assuming this refers to the voice.  i think the line after the second-last verse might be something like, "it's so hard when we all have to..." and i can't make out the rest.  then at the end, he says, "see you later".

anyone else?

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from:   laura rice[smtp:lrice@brynmawr.edu]
sent:   saturday, november 29, 1997 11:30 pm
to:     indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject:        random voice on shaming of the sun

hi
can anyone tell me about the random voice on shaming of the sun.  what does
he say, what is his purpose?
i've been wondering for months.
thanks
laura

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 01:46:02 -0600
reply-to:     "barbara l. basaj" <barbarab@megsinet.net>
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wow!!  like, way cool!  i remember when mrs. fun played at cafe' melange on friday nights!  and yes, they are a lot of fun, and very, shall we say, improvisational (at least they were in their cafe' melange days).  i can't wait to see what they're up to now.

the song they played on so was dead man's hill, and i'd say the unique (almost bizarre) keyboard sound is pretty typical of connie grauer.  i must also mention that kim is a very cool drummer (i dig the way her hair goes flying to the drum beat!), and a personal hero of mine, being an aspiring drummer myself.

less than a week, i can't wait, even though my seats suck!--row s in the 1st balcony : (   ironically, i was too busy playing percussion in a musical to buy my tix right away.  oh well, next time maybe i'll camp out in front of the riverside box office the day the go on sale.
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from:   deb reiser[smtp:dreiser@wi.net]
sent:   sunday, november 30, 1997 11:46 am
to:     indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject:        mrs. fun to open for ig shows

i just heard that milwaukee's own mrs. fun will be opening for ig starting
with the dec 8th show here in milwaukee. they will tour with ig thru the
denver show.

for those of you who don't know, mrs. fun is a duo (connie grauer on
keyboards and vocals, and kim zick on drums and percussion) and were the
"guest band" on swamp ophelia. they have also played with kd lang. in
return for playing on swamp, ig joined mrs. fun on their 1995 release,
ennui.

deb

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date:         sat, 29 nov 1997 14:41:33 -0500
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from:         tracy <th3307@wcuvax1.wcu.edu>
subject:      covers or originals?
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i need to know if the following songs are ig originals or cover songs and, if
they're covers, who did them originally:

summertime (from purple parrot, 1987)
rock me on the water (from tuesday's children, 1981)

please reply privately. thanks!

tracy
th3307@wcu.edu

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 09:09:38 -0500
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hi y'all!  i just wanted to say that columbus rocked.  so we didn't get to
meet the girls :( but i had such a great time.

first of all, i enjoyed meeting everyone at the list meet.  jill (thanks
so much for the photos!), twink,
heather (and thanks again so much for the paper!), deidre, don, lisa, deb,
barb, and whoever else (i am so sorry, but i am blanking.  i just woke
up).  i had a blast.

the concert was great.  so they didn't do "power of 2" (4th or 5th time
this year
of seeing them, my fave song in the world, haven't heard it live...), but
i am cursed from hearing that song.  but they did do "watershed" which
totally took me by surprise.  that is one of my all time faves and i never
expected to hear it live!  actually, there were quite a few surprises
"watershed" "let it be me" "bury my heart at wounded knee" and "kid
fears".  i just wish they had done more off of nomads*indians*saints (my
fave album) and "power of 2", but that would've been too perfect!

there were so many awesome moments, like when jill got her sign read and
talked to the girls (go jill!!!!!), and when the girl near me jumped the
stage and snagged me an offical set list (they were originally going to do
"land of canaan" and not "kid fears", plus they had not decided what to do
as the first song after the encore (they chose "ghost")).  i got on the
radio after danielle howle and before the girls (i must've sounded like an
idiot.  i was all like "i'm karen and i like worship the indigo girls.  i
totally love them.  they're goddesses"  if anyone was listening to (i
think it was 101 something) and recoreded it or heard it, please e-mail
me!

also, did anyone boot the show????  please contact me if you did!

afterwards, we waited around to see them leave, but we only got a very
quick view of amy's back.  i just wish i could've gotten my set list
signed and that jill could've given them her book, and that danielle
could've gotten her pants signed.  :-)

but all in all, it was an amazing show.  my seats were great (4th row,
amy's side), they could hear me screaming, and they both looked damn fine!

all right, time to leave indigo world and go to the exciting world of
chemistry (yuck!).  ugggggg...after such a kickass show, this should be
hard!

ja mata!
:-) karen

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        --indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 09:18:13 -0500
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subject:      flying biscuit mention
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look who got a mention in a "roundup of restaurant revelry," a list of just 3
suggestions for the new year's celebration in a recent issue of the advocate:

"start 1998 right with breakfast at atlanta's tiny, offbeat flying biscuit
cafe (1655 mclendon ave., 404-687-8888).  dig into a champagne brunch with
collard greens and black-eyed peas.  partners delia champion and missy speert
and co-investor emily saliers of the indigo girls keep watch over the crowd of
soccer moms, club ids, and dykes with bikes."

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 09:43:05 -0500
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barbara l. basaj <barbarab@megsinet.net> wrote:
>you mean, the guy at the end of hey kind friend?  i think
>he was just "being a friend".  the list of musicians says
>"benjamin - words, friend"i'm assuming this refers to the
>voice.  i think the line after the second-last verse might be
>something like, "it's so hard when we all have to..." and i
>can't make out the rest.  then at the end, he says, "see you
>later".

the faq says:

-----
16.17. what is being said during "hey kind friend"?

the end of benjamin's speech is hard to make out but he can clearly
be heard saying, "it's so hard when they all have to..."  near the
end of the song he also says, "see you later."
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and it should probably also note that benjamin is a member of the band smoke,
which plays on that song.

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from:         leah susan <terrilee11@aol.com>
subject:      ig book

can someone please remind me what the title of the new book is that contains
the following quote from the ig on the subject of motherhood-
<linda: do either of you want to be mothers?
emily: no, but i could get the hormonal surge and want to tomorrow!
amy: i've wanted to, but i think i want to finish this tour first and then
think about it. >

please email me privately. thanks~ leah

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 09:59:47 -0500
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subject:      the girls on ellen- an official word

hey ya'll- got this from the folks @ nettwerk, who send out occasional emails
about what sarah's up to. you'll note that the air date is scheduled for
january 7th, 1998. :) hope this helps.
rick
*i don't know my future after this weekend
and i don't want to!* -bjork

******
this is just quick note to tell everyone that sarah will be at the abc
studios this week to film a cameo appearance for the comedy series,
'ellen'. however, the actual broadcast of the episode will not appear until
*wednesday, january 7th, 1998*. so relax...no need to set the vcr's quite
yet! before you begin to ask what sarah will be doing on 'ellen', i'd have
to request that we just keep it a surprise until the actual broadcast date.
besides, at this time i'm not really sure...doh!  :/

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 09:54:32 -0500
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from:         tiffany james <tjames@ummc001.ummc.ab.umd.edu>
subject:      green

i just have to say you all are making me sufficiently jealous!  i read in their
newsletter that they're going to be playing duo in clubs in the spring and i
can't wait!  that's my favorite, when its just the two of them and i'd love
to see them in a small, intimate setting (like some of you lucky souls did).
i hope they come to the 9:30 club in dc.  i saw shawn colvin there last
spring and it was an awesome experience.  i was like 20 ft from her.  i
think i would faint if i were that close to amy and emily.

anyway, i'm green with envy!

tiffany

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subject:      re: the big room show and the columbus show. long
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my comments inserted below:

at 04:22 pm 12/1/97 -0500, barb & twink wrote:
>hey y'all!
>
>i'm delurking to post this today cuz twink! and i just got back from the
>cd101 big room show and i'm still in a state of shock!  i can't believe
>that i won these tickets!  the show aired here in columbus oh at around
>3:00 this afternoon (i think!) and we got to see a & e perform and
>interview live on the radio with a small but rowdy crowd of enthusiastic
>fans! i guess they just got off the plane and headed over there! <vbg>
>they played "shame on you", "get out the map" and "shed your skin" (sys
>was awesome!)

it was soooooo kewl....there were about 12 or 13 of us indigohio peoples
there...this number includes honorary list members like my 7 year old
daughter nicole. we were just standing in the atrium after having finished
eating our vegetarian lunches...and munching on chocolate chip
cookies...*wink* twink ...waiting for the girls to arrive...and i happened
to glance to the doors of the big room that were about 3 feet away and
said....whoa i know that head...yes it was miss ray walking quickly and
quietly into the big room with em following right behind. so we stand out
there another 15-20 minutes...or 15-20 hours which is what it seemed like
to be seperated from them by just some thin doors, and listening to them
warm up. then meghan and i had an idea to start a sing-a-long...so we did,
we had a good chunk of the 40 or so of us all singing hammer and a
nail...it was a hoot. finally due to our bad singing i believe....they
opened the doors and we rushed in like fools...lisa, katherine, nicole,
lori, and i in the front row of this tiny room emily side...but with a
perfect view of amy...and barb and twink right behind me. we were like 3
feet from them the entire time...gosh but they are adorable. so you already
know the set list...but do you know that amy would be david cassidy if she
could be any tv person from the 70's? emily said she would be the rifleman
or i dream of jeanie(sp). they were really up and funny...the dj seemed to
love them, and the entire radio station was way kewl to us and to their
listeners...i think they did the entire show uncut with commercials...if
there is anyone out there that taped any of cd 101.1 's ig bigroom show
yesterday around 3ish please please please let me know. ok well lets see if
i can remember more of what they talked about...touring....


on touring they said that they are going to start doing just the 2 of them
soon, i think after australia...they also said they will be taking a short
break and then going to australia, they will tour a little into summer then
hopefully hit the studios...they hope they will have enough material to get
to work...i shrieked at that comment... i need more more more!

amy also talked about danielle, picture me shrieking again, and
daemon...and they even discussed jcs....and how people could purchase it.
it was really funny cause while amy is talking about all this stuff that we
know about, but most of the public doesn't (or so it seems) all of us
listers were clapping or making some noise while the rest of the room was
absolutely silent...amy and emily kept looking at us (especially em) and
smiling.

afterward we hung around a while and watched while amy and em packed up
their equipment and waited for them to do autographs. well nicole had been
given a sots cd when we got to the station so with it grasped in her hand
she waited patiently for them. emily signed it first and then she came over
to amy where her mommy was patiently waiting for her autograph, and amy
looked up and saw her and immediately went to give her her autograph...she
asked nicole for her name and i forget what else...so now nicole has her
own ig cd and it is autographed! when we left nicole kept saying "tell me
this was real, tell me this was real" picture a 7 year old in a daze...it
was so awesome for her!

oh and one last thing......i showed amy my sign from dayton that said:
bury my heart
thanks y'all (in a big heart shape)
at wounded knee

and i told her that i was the annoying one there with the sign and could
she please please please(i didn't really beg) play it for me
tonight......she said "inserting it into my mind" or something like that,
and she said she would if she remembered.

wwwwweeeelllllll...guess who remembered????????

it was sooo kewl...i am standing all the way back in s row watching barb
and twink in the first row, and all the other listers in the 3 or 4th
rows....and all of a sudden.......i hear : indian legislation on the desk
of a do right congressman...and just went ballistic...there were some
people from the bigroom right next to us and they said " i remember you
asking amy to play that...kewl" that just made my life..first of all that
amy played it for nicole and i and second that i got to hear it live as it
is my all time favorite song!

well i will end this missive here, but first i must say hi to all of the
indigohioans that were with me last night!

so hi to all of you (listed below are their names if you are interested
*grin*)

me, nicole, lori, diane(lori's mom), lisa t., katherine, barb, twink, anna,
anna's friend (sorry can't remember her name), kirby, lisa's friends (the
expectant mommy and hubby? again can't remember names...sorry) don, deidre,
betty, darryl, karen, jill, and jill's friend (again...soo sorry), meghan,
and meghan?

what a great turnout...and what a great indigo day december 1st 1997 was!

heathera

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q. what, exactly, is the internet?
>>
>>a. the internet is a worldwide network of university, government,
>>business, and private computer systems.
>>
>>q. who runs it?
>>
>>a. a 13-year-old named jason.
>>
>>q. how can i get on the internet?
>>
>>a. the easiest way is to sign up with one of the popular
commercial
>>"online" services, such as prodigy, compuserve, or america online,
>>which
>>will give you their program disks for free.  or, if you just leave
>>your
>>house unlocked, they'll sneak in some night and install their
programs
>>on
>>your computer when you're sleeping.  they really want your business.

>>
>>q. what are the benefits of these services?
>>
>>a. the major benefit is that they all have simple, "user-friendly"
>>interfaces that enable you - even if you have no previous computer
>>experience- to provide the online services with the information
they
>>need
>>to automatically put monthly charges on your credit card bill
forever.
>>
>>q. what if i die?
>>
>>a. they don't care.
>>
>>q. can't i cancel my account?
>>
>>a. of course!  you can cancel your account at anytime.
>>
>>q. how?
>>
>>a. nobody has ever been able to find out.  some of us have been
trying
>>for
>>years to cancel our online service accounts, but no matter what we


do,
>>the
>>charges keep appearing on our bills.  we're thinking of entering
the
>>federal witness protection program.
>>
>>q. what if i have children?
>>
>>a. you'll want an anesthetic, because it really hurts.
>>
>>q. no, i mean, what if my children also use my internet account?
>>
>>a. you should just sign your house and major internal organs over
to
>>the
>>online service right now.
>>
>>q. aside from running up charges, what else can i do once i'm
>>connected to
>>an online service?
>>
>>a. millions of things!  an incredible array of things!  no end of
>>things!
>>
>>q. like what?
>>
>>a. you can ... ummmm ... ok!  i have one!  you can chat.
>>
>>q. chat?
>>
>>a. chat.
>>
>>q. i can already chat.  i chat with my friends.
>>
>>a. yes, but on the internet, which connects millions of people all
>>over the
>>entire globe, you can chat with total strangers, many of whom are
>>boring
>>and stupid!
>>
>>q. sounds great!  how does it work?
>>
>>a. well, first you decide which type of area you wish to chat in.
>>some
>>areas are just for general chatting, and some are for specific
>>interest
>>groups, such as teens, poets, cat lovers, religious people, gays,
gay
>>teens
>>who read religious poetry to cats, and of course guys having
pointless
>>arguments about sports.  at any given moment, an area can contain
>>anywhere
>>from two to dozens of people, who use clever fake names such as
>>"byteme2"
>>so nobody will know their real identities.
>>
>>q. what are their real identities?
>>
>>a. they represent an incredible range of people, people of all ages,

>>in all
>>kinds of fascinating fields from scientists to singers, from
writers
>>to
>>wranglers, from actors to athletes - you could be talking to
almost
>>anybody
>>on the internet!
>>
>>q. really?
>>
>>a. no.  you're almost always talking to losers and hormone-crazed
>>13-year-old  boys.  but they pretend to be writers, wranglers,
>>scientists,
>>singers, etc.
>>
>>q. what do people talk about in chat areas?
>>
>>a. most chat-area discussions revolve around the fascinating topic


of
>>who
>>is entering and leaving the chat area.  a secondary, but equally
>>fascinating, topic is where everybody lives.  also, for a change
of
>>pace,
>>every now and then the discussion is interrupted by a hormone-
crazed
>>13-year-old boy wishing to talk dirty to women.  to give you an
idea
>>of how
>>scintillating the repartee can be, here's a re-creation of a
typical
>>chat
>>area dialogue (do not read this scintillating repartee while
operating
>>heavy machinery):
>>
>> lilbrisket: hi everybody
>> wazootyman: hi lilbrisket
>> toadster: hi bris
>> lungftook: hi b
>> lilbrisket: what's going on?
>> toadster: not much
>> lungftook: pretty quiet
>>
>>    (longish pause)
>>
>> wazootyman: anybody here from texas?
>> lilbrisket: no
>> toadster: nope
>> lungftook: sorry
>>
>>    (longish pause)
>>
>> uvulabob: hi everybody
>> toadster: hi uvulabob
>> lungftook: hi uvula
>> lilbrisket: hi ub
>> wazootyman: hi u
>> uvulabob: what's happening?
>> lilbrisket: kinda slow
>> toadster: same old same old
>> lungflook: pretty quiet
>> jason56243837: lilbrisket, take off your panties
>> lilbrisket: ok, but i'm a man
>>
>>     (longish pause)
>>
>> wazootyman: uvulabob, are you from texas?
>> uvulabob: no.
>>
>>    (longish pause)
>>
>> lungftook: well, gotta run.
>> toadster.- 'bye, lungflook
>> lilbrisket: take 'er easy, lungster
>> wazootyman: see ya around, lung
>> uvulabob: so long, l
>>
>>    (longish pause)
>>
>> polypmaster: hi everybody
>> lilbrisket: hey, polypmaster
>> toadster: yo, polyp
>> uvulabob: hi, p
>> polypmaster: what's going on?
>> lilbrisket:  not much
>> toadster: pretty quiet
>> uvulabob:  kinda slow ...
>>
>>and so it goes in the chat areas, hour after riveting hour, where
the
>>ideas
>>flow fast and furious, and at any moment you could learn some
>>fascinating
>>nugget of global-network information, such as whether or not
>>polypmaster
>>comes from texas.
>>
>>q. i've heard that people sometimes use internet chat areas to
have
>>"cybersex."  what exactly is that?
>>
>>a. this is when two people send explicitly steamy messages to each
>>other,
>>back and forth, back and forth, faster and faster, hotter and
hotter,
>>faster and faster and hotter and harder and harder until ohhhh
>>godddddddd
>>they suddenly find that they have a bad case of sticky keyboard,
if
>>you get
>>my drift.
>>
>>q. that's disgusting!
>>
>>a. yes.
>>
>>q. could you give an example?
>>
>>a. certainly:
>>
>> born2bone: i want you now
>> hunnibunni: i want you now
>> born2bone: i want to take off your clothes
>> hunnibunni: yes!  yes!
>> born2bone: i'm taking off your clothes
>> hunnibunni: oh yessss
>>
>>     (longish pause)
>>
>> hunnibunni: is something wrong?
>> born2bone: i can't unhook your brassiere
>> hunnibunni: i'll do it
>> born2bone: thanks.  oh my god!  i'm touching your, umm, your...
>> hunnibunni: copious bosoms?
>> born2bone: yes!  your copious bosoms!  i'm touching them!
>> hunnibunni: yes!
>> born2bone: both of them!
>> hunnibunni: yesss!!
>> born2bone: i'm taking off your panties!
>> hunnibunni: you already did.
>> born2bone: oh, ok.  you're naked!  i'm touching your entire
>>nakedness!
>> hunnibunni: yessssss!!!
>> wazootyman: anybody here from texas?
>> born2bone: no
>> hunnibunni: no
>> born2bone:  i am becoming turgid in my manfulness!
>> hunnibunni: yes!  yes you are!!  you are a bull!  you are my
great
>>big
>>raging bull stallion!
>> wazootyman: hey, thanks
>> hunnibunni: not you
>> born2bone: i am a stallion!  i am a raging, bulging bull stallion,

>>and i a
>>thrusting my ... my ... ummm ...
>> hunnibunni: your love knockwurst?
>> born2bone: yes!  i am thrusting my love knockwurst into your ...
your
>>...
>> hunnibunni: promise you won't laugh?
>> born2bone: yes
>> hunnibunni: my passion persimmon
>> born2bone: ha ha!
>> hunnibunni: you promised!
>> born2bone: sorry.  ok, here goes: i am thrusting my massive
>>knockwurst of
>> love into your passion persimmon!
>> hunnibunni: yes!  yes!  yes!
>> born2bone: ohhh!  it feels so good!!  i feel powerful!!
>> hunnibunni: you are powerful, born2bone!!  i feel your power
>> inside me!!!
>> born2bone: it feels like, like ...
>> hunnibunni: like what?
>> born2bone: it feels just like, ohmigod ... ohmigod ...
>> hunnibunni: tell me, born2bone!!  tell what it feels like!!
>> born2bone: oh god it feels like... it feels like when i break a
tie
>>vote
>>            in the senate!
>> hunnibunni: what did you say?
>> born2bone: whoops
>> hunnibunni: it feels like when you break a tie vote in the senate?

>> born2bone: umm, listen, what i meant was ...
>> hunnibunni: this is you, isn't it, al?  isn't it??   you
bastard!!!
>>             you told me you were attending a state funeral this
>>             afternoon!!!
>> born2bone: tipper?
>> hunnibunni.- whoops
>>
>>q. aside from chatting, what else can i do on the internet?
>>
>>a. you can join one of the thousands of forums wherein people, by
>>posting
>>messages, discuss political topics of the day.
>>
>>q. like what?
>>
>>a. barry manilow..
>>
>>q. there's a forum for barry manilow?
>>
>>a. there's a forum for everything.
>>
>>q. what happens on these forums?
>>
>>a. well, on the barry manilow forum, for example, fans post
messages
>>about
>>how much they love barry manilow, and other fans respond by
posting
>>messages about how much they love barry manilow, too.  and then
>>sometimes
>>the forum is invaded by people posting messages about how much
they
>>hate
>>barry manilow, which in turn leads to angry counter messages and
>>vicious
>>name-calling that can go on for months.
>>
>>q. just like junior high school!
>>
>>a. but even more pointless.
>>
>>q. are there forums about sex?
>>
>>a. zillions of them.
>>
>>q. what do people talk about on those?
>>
>>a. barry manilow.
>>
>>q. no, really.
>>
>>a. ok, they talk about sex, but it is not all titillating.  often
>>you'll
>>find highly scientific discussions that expand the frontiers of
human
>>understanding.
>>
>>q. it is a beautiful thing, the internet.
>>
>>a. it is.
>>
>>q. what is the "world wide web"?
>>
>>a. the world wide web is the multimedia version of the internet,
where
>>you
>>can get not only text but also pictures and sounds on a semi-
infinite
>>range
>>of topics. this information is stored on "web pages," which are
>>maintained
>>by companies, institutions, and individuals.  using special
software,
>>you
>>can navigate to these pages and read, look at, or listen to all
kinds
>>of
>>cool stuff.
>>
>>q. wow!  how can i get on the web?
>>
>>a. it's easy!  suppose you're interested in buying a boat from an
>>australian company that has a web page featuring pictures and
>>specifications of its various models.  all you have to do is fire
up
>>your
>>world wide web software and type in the company's web page address,

>>which
>>will probably be an intuitive, easy-to-remember string of
characters
>>like
>>this:
>>
>>http//:wwwfweemer-twirple.com/heppledork/sockitomesockitome@fee.
fle/fo/fum.-0
>>
>>q. what if i type one single character wrong?
>>
>>a. you will launch u.s. nuclear missiles against norway.
>>
>>q. ah.
>>
>>a. but assuming you type in the correct address, you merely press
>>enter,
>>and there you are!
>>
>>q. where?
>>
>>a. sitting in front of your computer waiting for something to
happen.
>>it
>>could take weeks.  entire new continents can emerge from the ocean


in
>>the
>>time it takes for a web page to show up on your screen.  contrary
to
>>what
>>you may have heard, the internet does not operate at the speed of
>>light; it
>>operates at the speed of the department of motor vehicles.  it
might
>>be
>>quicker for you to just go over to australia and look at the boats


in
>>person.
>>
>>q. does that mean that the world wide web is useless?
>>
>>a. heck no!  if you're willing to be patient, you'll find that you


can
>>utilize the vast resources of the web to waste time in ways that
you
>>never
>>before dreamed possible.
>>
>>q. for example?
>>
>>a. for example, recently i was messing around with a "web browser,
"
>>which
>>is a kind of software that lets you search all of cyberspace -
>>millions of
>>documents for references to a specific word or group of words.
you
>>can
>>find pretty much everything that anybody has ever written on the
>>internet
>>about that topic; it's an incredibly powerful research tool.
>>
>>q. that is truly beautiful.
>>
>>a. yes.  and it's just one teensy little piece, one
infinitesimally
>>tiny
>>fraction, of the gigantic, pulsating, mutating, multiplying mass
of
>>stuff
>>out there on the internet.  sooner or later, everything is going to


be
>>on
>>there somewhere.  you should be on there, too.  don't be afraid!
be
>>like
>>the bold explorer christopher columbus, (e-mail address:
>>chriscol@nina,pinta&santamaria.ahoy) setting out into uncharted
>>waters,
>>fearful of what you might encounter, but also mindful of the old
>>inspirational maritime saying: "if you don't leave the land, then
>>you'll
>>probably never have a chance to get scurvy and develop anemia,
spongy
>>gums,
>>and bleeding from the mucous membranes."
>>
>>so come on!  join me and millions of others on this exciting
>>cyberfrontier,with its limitless possibilities for the enhancement


of
>>knowledge and the betterment of the human race!
>>
>


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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 09:58:18 cst
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here's the latest info from nettwerk, sarah mclachlan's record company.
there's also something about a liltih fair broadcast in canada.
teryn


>subject: sarah to make a cameo on abc's 'ellen', and a reminder!
>
>hey everyone....
>
>this is just quick note to tell everyone that sarah will be at the abc
>studios this week to film a cameo appearance for the comedy series,
>'ellen'. however, the actual broadcast of the episode will not appear
until
>*wednesday, january 7th, 1998*. so relax...no need to set the vcr's
quite
>yet! before you begin to ask what sarah will be doing on 'ellen', i'd
have
>to request that we just keep it a surprise until the actual broadcast
date.
>besides, at this time i'm not really sure...doh!  :/
>
>=46or those of you in canada (or those of you in the states who have
access
>to canadian television...besides re-runs of 'the beachcombers'), this
>*friday, december 5th* will see the one-hour special on lilith fair
(=83
>lilith fair: sarah mclachlan & friends =83) air on the cbc television
>network. the broadcast time is set at 9pm (est), but check your local
>listings for details.
>
>                               thanks for reading
>
>
>
>armand s.
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>netterk productions
>info@nettwerk.com
>http://www.nettwerk.com


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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 10:45:28 -0500
reply-to:     kristina m kulesz <kkulesz@utkux.utcc.utk.edu>
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subject:      re: random voice on shaming of the sun
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i think he says "it's so hard when we all got things going on."


on tue, 2 dec 1997, barbara l. basaj wrote:

> you mean, the guy at the end of hey kind friend?  i think he was just "being a friend".  the list of musicians says "benjamin - words, friend"i'm assuming this refers to the voice.  i think the line after the second-last verse might be something like, "it's so hard when we all have to..." and i can't make out the rest.  then at the end, he says, "see you later".
>
> anyone else?
>
> ----------
> from:   laura rice[smtp:lrice@brynmawr.edu]
> sent:   saturday, november 29, 1997 11:30 pm
> to:     indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject:        random voice on shaming of the sun
>
> hi
> can anyone tell me about the random voice on shaming of the sun.  what does
> he say, what is his purpose?
> i've been wondering for months.
> thanks
> laura
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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 11:01:03 -0500
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from:         leah susan <terrilee11@aol.com>
subject:      full circle

i just had to write and thank every body who sent me private email about
their travails with dreaded dave. i thought my experiences were bad, but wow,
he has been really terrible to lots of kind fans. :-( and we're such a
likeable group!

i also wanted to say that the mail i've received supporting awareness of
indigenous people's rights and dignity was terrific! as a whole i think this
is a well informed and highly politically aware list. the girls would be
proud that their efforts have not fallen (entirely) on deaf ears. there are
obviously many, many of us who feel the spirit behind their music. i want to
share a part of one letter-- i hope the sender doesn't mind me quoting him- i
won't use his name- he said,
<*****i learned that manhattan was derived from the native american phrase
for 'where we were cheated' because the europeans traded them the entire isle
in exchange for $24 in beads. see, the natives had no concept of real estate,
no concept that land was something a human being could 'own.' they believed
land was to be shared and respected with every other living thing. you know
in pocahantas, the song that goes 'you think you own whatever land you land
on, the earth is just a dead thing you can claim...' that's what they were
talking about*****>

    .....did he say pocahantas? isn't this where the whole male-bashing
thread got started?!?! i agree with him but isn't that just a bit ironic- it
all came full circle- made me think of -- 'you start at the top, go full
circle 'round, catch a breeze, take a spill, but ending up where i started
again makes me want to stand still!'

     anyone wanna smoke a peace pipe?

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 11:27:21 -0500
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here is the set list for those interested:

three hits
least complicated
shame on you
get out the map
bury my heart at wounded knee
let it be me
shed your skin
it's alright
kid fears (the original setlist said "land of cannan", but they did kid
fears instead!!!!  i am glad!)
watershed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (the
highlight--actually, the highlight of all of the concerts i've been to!)
chickenman
leeda
romeo and juliet
scooter boys
galileo

encore:  ghost (on the original set list, there was a question mark.  i
guess they decided on ghost at the last min after getting requests for it)
arcadian driftwood
closer to fine


see, it was such an amazing show!

:-) karen
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does anybody have this show on tape? i would love to trade for it, it sounds wonderful!

also looking for a boot of the austin show this year and the berkeley boot...and the recent lilith ppv... please email me privately.

does anybody know what happened to tony da chickenman? i would like to get his addy please.

i have a suggestion...when one of us comes across something irresistibly funny that we immediately want to share with the whole world, rather than post it to the list, how about if we just mention that we have this really funny thing and then those who are interested in being amused can write to the person and get it as part of private email? also how about sftbw rather than "sorry for the band-width and so sorry and please forgive me, but i have to and i wouldn't if i had a choice, so sorry again!"...?

urvashi pitre, ph.d.

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geesh,
it was a joke when i asked this:

>have the indigo girls ever been, you know, *together*?  ;)
>
>hehe,
>elizabeth

hence the wink, ;) and the laughter, hehe.  it was simply a good-natured
poke at all the posts in the recent past about this question.  it also
seemed like the logical next question for the original poster (the one who
asked about touring and a new album) to ask.  sorry for the humor - it won't
happen again. ;) <--- wink, get it?, i'm kidding!

elizabeth

p.s.  tigger - thank you for your razor sharp sense of sarcasm!


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"she could stop one's breath for a moment by a look
or a gesture that somehow revealed the meaning in common things."
-willa cather, _my antonia_

"to be nobody - but myself - in a world which is doing its best,
night and day, to make you everybody else - means to fight the
hardest battle which any human can fight, and never stop fighting."
-e. e. cummings

"to laugh often and much; to win the respect of intelligent people
and affection of children; to earn the appreciation of honest critics
and endure the betrayal of false friends; to appreciate beauty, to
find the best in others; to leave the world a bit better, whether by
a healthy child, a garden patch, or a redeemed social condition; to
know even one life has breathed easier because you have lived.  this
is to have succeeded."
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> from: susan <scorpio7@sagami.or.jp>
> to: org> <indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: sigc:daughters of the moon sisters of the sun
> date: wednesday, december 03, 1997 1:57 am
>
> hi all!
>
> okay, this is what i didn't want to do, however i have exhausted every
> single outlet i know of. i am living in japan because of the navy, and
have
> looked on and off base for this book, to no avail. i did find a bookstore
> that had it on their computer, but could not order it. so, if a kind
friend
> out there would pick up a copy for me, i'd be eternally grateful. i will
> gladly reimburse, and pay for postage. that goes without saying. contact
> me, okay, and we'll work something out. thanks in advance.   susan
> scorpio7@sagami.or.jp

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 12:24:09 -0500
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hey y'all!

yes, it was spectacular... made even better since barb won us front row
pit seats on the emily side! :)  (though we were packed in up their like
sardines and couldn't really move around much for fear of smacking
someone next to us!  but, we were able to lean right on the stage and
didn't miss any of the good am & em looks!)

my head is still spinning... but i do remember emily singing "every five
minutes or so i look back on my life and have a good laugh." instead of
the "every five years or so" part.  em also flubbed up on one song
(anyone remember? i'm totally blanking.) but she smiled & rolled her
eyes and just went on!

and deidre, sweetheart that she is... managed to go up to thank sulli
for the guitar picks she'd given her (which, if i remember correctly,
were 5) and so, what does sulli do but give her 2 more! yay!  way to go
deeds!  <grin>  i'd given amy & emily pics of deeds at the big room show
and got in her request for shed your skin... which they did play... and,
as usual, it rocked!  deeds kept running up, attacking me, and hugging
me all night... to thank me for giving them her pictures!  <you are very
welcome... it was the least i could do for my cool little friend who
happened to get all a's on her last report card!>

sara lee had her wild red shoes on... and this is like the first time
i've been close enough to even really see them!  danielle was funny &
entertaining... as always!  she is such a cutie!

think that's about all i can think of to mention for now... perhaps some
other listees will share their take on the show?

later,
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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 11:36:51 -0500
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subject:      boston music stores

  i am planning on being in boston this weekend and i was wondering if
anyone knew of any good music shops that sells new and used cds tapes and
records.  can you point me to a few of them and does any of these places
carry ig stuff.  thanks, you can respond privately.

kevin mitchell

kjmitchell@tasc.com

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recently, i've noticed ticketmaster going to an entirely different system,
or at least they did when i bought my garth brooks tickets. about three or
four days before the tickets actually go on sale, you go to pick up a
wristband with a number on it. then the day the tickets go on sale. they
pick a number at random from those numbers given away at that location,
and the line forms according to that number. for example, if they drew
#3456, then #3456 would be the first one in line, the #3457, and so on.
that way, there's none of that "people waiting in line for three days to
get tickets" nonsense. anyway, that still goes along with the suggestion
of going somewhere with a remote ticketmaster outlet...i live in a
coollege town, so that was kind of hard to find, but it all worked out,
and i got great seats for garth. so anyway, that's just my two cents on
the whole ticketmaster thing...back to lurking. sort of.

meghan

*you make up my story of a life*

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ok, so i went to my local book store and inquired about this book.  all
they could tell me was that it just released and not in their store yet,
it would be found in the psychology section, and that they could order it
for me.  the book is also listed with two prices, one is $19.95 and the
other is $59.99.  the woman couldn't tell me why there were two prices and
i'm assuming that one is hard cover and the other is paperback.  can any of
you shed light on this?  also, this is for anyone who already has the book.
what is it exactly about?  i'm thinking about asking my parents for it for
x-mas, but if it's only a collection of coming out stories, i think that
they'll have collective coronaries in the store (something i'd like to
avoid :-) ).

                thanks in advance,

                        sarah :-)

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nothing ends."
        -joni mitchell                     in the learning."
-smendrick, the last unicorn
                                                       -dar williams

"you can talk a great philosophy,                                     "you
have to laugh at yourself  because
  but if you can't be kind to people everyday                     you'd cry
your eyes out if you didn't."

  then  it doesn't mean that much to me."
-emily saliers

        -ani difranco


"i don't know what a feminist is.                      "there will always
be stars in the wind
  if i see a beautiful woman, i stare.                   little lines on
your face when you grin

  is that not being a feminist?"                           and when it
looks like you've done it again

        - me'shell ndegéocello                                and you just
don't know where to begin

there will always be something to believe in."

-shawn colvin

"there are a lot of people who figure prominently in your life that you may
only nod to ;
                                     it's better to stop and say hello."
-amy ray

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 14:44:50 -0500
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subject:      orpheum question

hey my favorite lil' kiddies!
        i was lucky enough to get 1 (amazing!) seat from a fellow baigl (who i am
now hopelessly devoted to....) and was hoping some one could help me out w/
finding just one more for my friend (who is also my ride...)
        even if it's obstructed view, etc.  any info. would be very very very
helpful!  thanks y'all!
btw- i wanted to tell ya i missed you guys over break!! he he he  ;)
(sus...)

thanks...
-em
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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 15:44:06 -0500
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hey kind friends,

if anyone is going to be in the manhattan area on tuesday, december 16, 1997
and is looking for something to do, let me know.  my cousin is playing at
birdland that night and i'm trying to spread the word of his kick-ass sax
playing.  so if you're interested, write me privately and i'll give you
details and lots of quotes about his music.  also, his cd is available on
the web at http://cdnow.com/switch/from=sr-331487/target=buyweb_purchase/
ddcn=sd-5600+1007+2
there are real audio clips, so you can get the flavor.

now for the disclaimer: i know this is entirely nigc and not really relevant
to this list at all, but i deleted my sig file just for you unfortunate
digest people, so you would forgive me for the other sins of this message.
:)

elizabeth

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 15:48:49 -0500
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subject:      re: dreaded dave
x-to:         terrilee11@aol.com

in a message dated 97-11-29 17:49:17 est, terrilee11@aol.com writes:

<< does anyone-  anyone-  have a story about dave ellison in which he is
actually a nice, decent guy who appreciates the devoted ig fans who
(indirectly) provide him with his job? i have (unfortunately) never
witnessed
such an experience, nor have i heard of one. there's got to be something
redeeming in this man that keeps him from getting booted off the tour bus.
>>

on april 12, 1997 at the unh show, some of us boston area fans made a
book/journal for amy's birthday and he nicely offered to make sure she got it
(which she did).  he was nice about it, smiling, etc.  it was early in the
tour and maybe he needs a vacation by now.
rena

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 17:00:02 -0800
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hey everybody

just a couple of questions. first of all..i'm a little bit new to this all,
but i am going to the concert at the orpheum in boston and am already
meeting one person there and i was wondering if anyone else wanted to meet?


second---could someone explain exactly what baigl is?  i've read about it
on color me indigo, but i don't really know anymore than that.  thanks!

third---what is the book daughers of the moon, sisters of the sun all
about?

sorry if this has been done over repeatedly.  anyone with info, you can
email privately at lcasey@student.umass.edu

laura

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 15:13:50 pst
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barb wrote:
>hey y'all!  check out the newsgroup:  alt.tv.xena-subtext  for some
>interesting discussions on the "subtext" on xwp.  the show itself
>doesn't get as political as this discussion group!  just wanted to plug
>my other obsession...after noticing some feminist discussions here,
>thought some of you might want to check this out.  by the way, i think
>the kids do get the subtext!  robert isn't fooling anyone!

i have one question about it, what constitutes a kid? i am 16 am
completly understand it. i mean who couldn't interioert the looks they
give each other or the way the care about each other and fight for each
other. i don't know how you couldn't see it! robert isn't fooling
anybody
betsy

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 15:11:42 -0800
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hey folks:

about this book....
it's soft cover and it's teenagers and tehir mentors
talking.  i went to amazon book store (the first
feminist bookstore in america!) and they had sold out
all but one copy, which i had to search to find
(since someone stuck it in the wrong place.)  it was
only 19.95 and it's not all coming out stories.  it's
quite a good book, so go buy it, and yes it's very
very very new.

if anyone on this list working at amazon bookstore
here in mpls: that store is so cool!

amanda

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 10:21:01 +1100
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hey folks,

*sigh* it seems this is the third time in three weeks i'm posting
about this...

please, don't post huge long messages that don't even remotely
resemble igc to the list.  if you have a long nigc message that
you think will appeal to lots of list members, here's what you
should do:

1. post a short note *describing* the message to the list
2. ask people to mail you privately if they want to see the
        message
3. send the message to anyone who responds, privately
4. or if enough people respond, *then* you can think about
        *maybe* posting the message to the list

i'm not saying that we should all stop posting nigc, because
anyone who's been on this list for more than a day knows that
that ain't gonna happen.  nigc is part of this list and it
always has been.  it's part of what makes this list what it is.
and at its best, this list is a wonderful place.  but nigc is
not what we're here for.  this is an ig list, after all.

now, keep in mind that this is a whole huge grey area and
there's no real "right" and "wrong" here.  but these guidelines
are a good place to start:
1. short-ish nigc bits, added to messages with ig content, are
        generally fine.
2. short-ish nigc messages are generally fine too.
3. long-ish nigc messages, as long as they pertain to the
        music of ig in some way, are sometimes fine too.
        not always, but sometimes.
4. long-ish nigc messages which don't pertain to ig or their
        music are generally *not* fine.

okay, enough ranting.  happy happy all,
sherlyn
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"but the wall came down, and there they stood before me,
  with their stumbling and their mumbling and their calling out,
  just like me..."              - dar williams

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 18:33:35 -0400
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yaay, amy krisko sent me a copy of the nov. 18 flyer news (ud's student
paper) which has their concert review in it, with two pics as well.  i got
it in the mail an opened it up to the first page, to a bunch of blurbs
listed in a section called 'at a glance'.  whose photo do i see on the
page?  here's the caption:  "brain freeze, anyone?--michelle kent, a
junior fine arts major, gets a strawberry slushie from the new machine
located in the kennedy union food court."
aaaaarrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, i can't get far enough away from her!
towel-stealing, mind-f***ing weenie.  arg arg arg.  and i want to believe
that i really mean those insults...and i want to hate her, but i'm *still*
staring at that newspaper photo...  i believe "pining" is the operative
word here.  jesus god.  :(
oh yeah, the ig write-up... here's some highlights...
indigo girls thrill ud arena crowd--fans impressed with new-sounding songs
and old favorites during saturday's show... by katie struckel...
----------------------------------------
the indigo girls brought their shaming of the sun tour to a crowd of
approximately 3,700 saturday night at ud arena.
despite the cold weather on the outside, the indigo girls performed a
rousing and energetic set to an enthusiastic and extremely receptive
crowd.
the show opened with danielle howle and the tantrums...  the only bright
spots of the set were howle's humorous asides and her throaty
vocals...without howle, the nirvana-meets-george-strait-tantrums, would
have no true musical direction.
audience reactions were minimal during the tantrums' set.  whenever the
group finished a song, the audience politely applauded like it was a very
painful thing for them to do.
it seemed like the tantrums were deliberately playing 12 songs, just to
see how long the crowd would sit there before forming a coup d'etat.
(my comments here:  what the heck?!  where was this idiot sitting?  my
area liked the set a lot...especially me...)
finally...the real show started
(again, why the dissing of the opener?!)
when the lights went down and emily saliers and amy ray, the indigo girls
took the stage.
dressed casually, each with her own guitar, they exploded with the
familiar "tangled up in blue", which brought everyone in the arena to
their feet.  people were dancing in the aisles and singing along with the
duo, a quality that most indigo girls fans pride themselves on...
[ig] kept the momentum going with "down by the river," a song that truly
is poetry in motion like the indigo girls claim.
between songs, the girls would acknowledge the audience by saying, "thanks
y'all," a phrase that is reflective of their georgian backgrounds.
one of the most impressive elements of the show was the constant
interaction between the girls and their enthusiastic audience.
on one occasion, the girls acknowledged a group near the front holding up
a sign that read, "happy birthday, stephanie."
(my comments:  steph! it's us, chicky!  it's us!  they're talkin' 'bout
us!  but she got the sign wrong.  i love it when people don't know what
they're talking about, but they talk anyways.  or write.)
ray acknowledged the sign and wished stephanie a happy birthday.
(okay, now this is irrefutable proof the gal who wrote this is a dolt.
emily saw the sign, and wished steph a happy birthday.  this chick doesn't
even know which girl is which.  sheesh)
the most impressive song had to be the eight-minute rendition of the
familiar "chicken man."...at one point, there was a harmonica solo
reminiscent of the fiddle solo performed at a dave matthews band concert
during "ants marching."
(huh?!)
not a single person was sitting during this song and one couldn't help but
tap their feet along with the beat even if they didn't know the song.
(i believe our author is speaking of *herself* here...)
...the girls managed to play some of their new releases...the newer songs
offered as much talent as much as the old songs and had the same effect on
the crowd.
(asinine statement.  why *wouldn't* they have consistent quality?)
(speaking of asinine statements, how about this one):
"'i couldn't believe how good they sounded," said junior %$#&*@!.  "' shame
on you' sounds great on the cd, but it was even better live."
(well, duh)
people were leaving raving about the performance, even those who said
they had never really listened to the indigo girls.
"i didn't know them much going into it," said senior accounting major
&$%%$$@#(!.  "it was really good."

(just one question for the flyer news:  why are you so surprised that the
girls gave a good show?  it's as if you were expecting the concert to be a
bunch of whiny, twangy, old folkie songs and were taken aback that the
girls actually *rocked* your arena.  whatever.)
jill
(tryin' to get off my editorial kick)

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 18:11:39 -0500
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i was home in ohio (well, part of the time) for thanksgiving weekend, and
i'm still recovering.

anyway, on i-64 when i was driving back with a few other emu students, i
saw a car with an indigo girls sticker on it and a uva parking sticker.
so i said to myself, "self, i wonder if that is someone from the list?"

if you're on here, i was driving the car behind you durring that stop&go
around beckley.  i lost you after that (dang, you drive fast!).

anna

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 18:57:56 -0500
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yes, they said "every 5 mins i look back on my life and i have a good
laugh" instead of every 5 years.  it was by far the highlight of any ig
show i've ever seen.  my advice to you is to request it, i guess someone
requested it, and it happened.  plus, that is what happened at the madison
show.
:-) karen

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on tue, 2 dec 1997, david bacharach wrote:

> i am sooooo jealous-i've been waiting for watershed forever, i never thought
> they would play it in concert!! did it rock!?!?! did they do anything
> slightly different with it?? karen, we need details!!!-dave
>
>
>
>

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 18:59:23 -0500
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just wanted to share that, since yesterday, indigo girls stock on rogue
market has jumped from $9.66 per share to $14.18 per share!  i made over
$7,000 in one day!  so good job whoever bought so much.

elizabeth

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"living in clip" has finally grown on me, and i no longer think, as i did
when i first heard the album (purchased entirely on recommendations from
this list, btw), that every song sounds the same.  so i think i'm ready to
move backwards and try out some other albums.  otherwise i will eternally
feel like the ig fan whose first album was 1200 curfews, especially if i
just wait until the new album (akin to sots) comes out.  so the reason for
this post, in case you were wondering, is to ask for opinions on which album
y'all recommend that i now buy.  if you have such an opinion and feel like
sharing it with me, please e-mail me privately.
and notice the new, improved, and trimmed down sig file.  do you approve,
sherlyn? ;)
oh, and for those of you who insist on continuing to write me to tell me
that a & e have never been "together," and to chide me for not checking the
faq, etc., i'm still kidding!  i know that some of you are on digest, so
probably didn't get "i'm kidding" post before you wrote me, so i forgive
you.  but if i'm still getting e-mails tomorrow, i'm going to have to send
the minister of humor, sense of to your homes to check you out.  :)
i think there should be an faq that states that when someone uses a winking
face (i.e., ;) ) in their post, it almost always means they are kidding!
never again...

elizabeth


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that myth is more potent than history.
that dreams are more powerful than facts.
that hope always triumphs over experience.
that laughter is the only cure for grief.
and i believe that love is stronger than death."
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a huge thank you to everyone who wrote to tell me that "summertime" is a
gershwin song from "porgy and bess" and "rock me on the water" is a
jackson browne tune. y'all have been a big help!

tracy
th3307@wcu.edu

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 17:53:14 -0700
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helloooooo everybody,

ok, so last night, i was browsing the used cds at hastings and came across
an ig "starters' kit" (and bought it promptly, of course.) it appears to
be the sort of cd you would give to someone who's (heaven forbid) never
heard of the girls before, as it has a collection of 7 or 8 songs from
various albums i.e. closer to fine (of course), three hits, galileo, i
can't remember the rest.

amyray, to make a long story even longer, i was wondering if anyone else
has heard of this cd and if so, do you know where the original owner may
have gotten it? was it just a promo released to record stores, or what?
(it's copyright 1997, btw.) just curious.

thanks y'all,
amy m.

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subject:      columbus and indigo dreams...long

hey all indigo fans (and a special hey to those indigohioans!!)
   well, lets just run down the list of amazing indigo experiences i had
yesterday...
-went to the cd101 big room (hello all fellow listees!)
-kissed the bottles of water that would soon be gracing the lips of amy and
em
-sat two feet in front of amy and emily for their pre-concert
-got jeans signed by both, and nis signed
-took pictures with the girls (asked amy "if she could be an animal what
would she be", and "what her favorite color was" and she answered "dog", and
"blue and green...it switches") (these are two questions that for one reason
or another i have always wanted to ask...) i also gave emily a flower and was
like actually talking to her for a while....)
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went to concert with 3rd row seats.....aisle right between amy and emily
-talked to sulli before concert even started for like 5 minutes
-listened to yet another beautiful concert given by the girls
**********-sang "closer to fine"   yes..that would be me you saw up there
dancing and singing my little head off!!!!!i had a sign, and after like the
fifth song, i held it up and i see emily mouth "just wait" and then i
knew....she had this big smile on her face!!! then the second to last song
the emily says" we have some pther special guests we'd like to bring on..."
and then right before closer2fine they say to come on up and we jump up on
the stage, and amy asks our names, and then she says "well have fun, adn
remember to sing!!!"...(they remembered my name from the big room thing!)
-hugged both girls right after the song in front of the entire crowd!!!
-got a setlist and pick
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after concert....
-got autographs from all members of the tantrums, and actually talked with
troy(drummer)for quite a while, and he promised me he would send me a video
tape of closer to fine which he had been taping!!!!
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well, i guess i must say that i feel like i owe someone my soul or
something..the whole day was such a dream! i still can't believe it all!!!
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the concert was really great, i saw the setlist earlier, so i wont post it
again, but i must say, that kid fears, watershed...let it be me....they were
all so wonderful to hear!!!!! emily looked and sounded like an angel the
entire night, and amy...of course, was as intense as ever!!!! the whole night
was wonderful! the tantrums rock...sulli rocks...and well..the
girls...........(we can all think of a few descriptive words to place
here!!!!!)still in a dazed and very appreciative zone!!!
peace, and happy indigo dreaming!!!!
~meaghan
p.s. to any interested, i had someone tape the cd101 thing...they sang shame
on you, get out the map, and shed your skin (acoustic!!!) and were
interviewed...they talked about vegetarianism...jcs...touring...and the new
"maybe a double-disc" album!!!!!!! well all..sorry this is so long....

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 20:16:37 -0400
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on tue, 2 dec 1997, chickensoprano wrote:
> anyway, on i-64 when i was driving back with a few other emu students, i
> saw a car with an indigo girls sticker on it and a uva parking sticker.
> so i said to myself, "self, i wonder if that is someone from the list?"

i'd wager to say that you had a sighting of ms. stephanie merhar, judging
by the facts of the incident.  can the indicted please provide further
evidence or a confession to the charge?
jill

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 17:35:37 -0600
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subject:      cedar rapids ig show dec. 5
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angela and suzi and interested listees,

hi fellow iowa listees and nearby listees who are going to the
cedar rapids show!   i haven't gotten any responses from people
when i posted that i'd host a list meet.   i am going to be meeting
up with several friends who are all going to the show.  they're
not on the list, but they're all great ig fans and great womyn from
iowa city and cedar rapids.  so, if you're going to the show,
you're welcome to meet up with us and bring anyone along with you.
there also may be a party afterwards, but i've gotta get more
info on that.  if you meet up with me before the show, i may know
for sure then.  as for this pre-show list meet:

we're meeting at the old charlie's on the river, which
is on the cedar river, se side, downtown, only a few
blocks from the paramount theater.  they serve food,
but i'm not sure exactly what.  charlie's is now under
new management and is now called something like
mahoney's.  it is a very nice place and has a nice bar
area.  it'll be a casual meet, just hanging out, with eating and/or
drinking if you want.  this place came pretty highly recommended
by my friends.  the address is:

415 ist st. se
cedar rapids
(319) 366-2412

we will be meeting around 6 p.m.

let me know who can make it.

lisa s.
cedar rapids

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hi all,
just wanted to chime in and say my indigo day yesterday was amazing.  it
rocked that so many of us were able to be in such a small place w/the girls
for the radio show.  sitting at their feet is something i will long
remember. em was talkative and made tons of eye contact. (she also had on
really cool blood red shoes--docs?) i was amazed at how sweet they were
considering they'd just gotten off a plane about half an hour earlier. the
acoustic version of sys was really something.  the interview, however, was
pretty lame.  the woman interviewing was very nice, but she dissed em about
not being a vegetarian while trying to bond w/amy. i thought both the girls
were looking a teensy bit pained at that point.  amy smiled over at em like
she was saying, "sorry." also, as we indigohioans discussed later--the 10
minute conversation on traffic in atlanta during the olympics
was...ummm...not the best interview thread.  but, being there was an amazing
thing.  i wish i could express it better, so that other folks could feel it,
too. i felt something like the exhilaration you had when you were a kid and
you twirled and twirled on the merry-go-round 'til the world seemed like it
was never going to stop spinning.  it was especially nice to smile at the
other list members and know we were all sharing the feeling.

anyway, the show itself was one of my all time favs.  my 3 friends and i
thought we had 1st row em's side. we were thrilled about that, but when we
arrived, we found we were right in front o' ms ray.  as diehard amy fans, we
were overjoyed.  (yes, virginia, there is a santa claus, and she carried me
around in her sleigh yesterday.)  the girls were having more fun then i've
seen in ages.  it matched blossom, i think.  they were goofy and *very,
very* talky.  it was funny, you know how amy usually does that thing where
she leans into em and opens her mouth in this kinda funny, kidding around
scream? (i always think it's making good-humored fun of the crowd.) well, em
did it to amy this
show during one of the first songs. also, on a personal note, my friend
kathryn and i were thrilled 'cause the girls definitely recognized us from
the radio show.  they smiled and kinda nodded when they were looking at the
crowd after they came out.  great moment. we made a dgtgag sign at the list
meet that was 2 panels, one a goofy stick girl, and the other a gun w/a
circle around it and slash through the circle (the "no" sign). amy laughed
when we held it up and said it was cute, but they'd already had too many
requests. that was fine w/us, it was the interchange that was fun. actually,
we probably got the biggest kick out of making the sign on the back of the
spaghetti warehouse place mats.  just like at the dayton listmeet, where
everyone was drawing and goofy.

oh, yeah, the dave reference.  i've had several bad dave stories of my own,
as folks who know me have heard before, but they all melted away w/this
particular harmonica solo in chickenman.  as karen? said, it was the best
version i've ever heard.  i was standing there, looking at dave when he
walked out, uncharitably thinking something like, "yeah, nothing you do is
gonna impress me ya' big meanie."  he proved me wrong.  unbelievable. dave
rocks.  he can be as crabby as he wants ta' be.

well, i could go on and on, but i'll stop while some of you are still awake.
thanks to all the list folks who made it a special day and night. and thank
the good lord for putting amy and em together and giving myself and others
such moments of pure joy.
lisa


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seriously, it's only life afterall." --emily saliers

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please take my name off the indigo girlss mailing list

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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 21:09:49 -0500
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subject:      mystery & pirates!

hey y'all,

mystery is one of my favorite ig songs, but i have yet to figure out why
emily all of a sudden starts talking about a pirate:

oh the pirate gets the ship and the girl tonight
breaks a bottle to christen her
basking in the exploits of her thief
she's a very good listener

this verse always makes me think of the song "brandy" by looking glass.  not
all of us are old enough to remember it :-), but the lyrics go something
like:

brandy used to watch his eyes as he told his sailor's stories
she could feel the ocean fall and rise ...

brandy, you're a fine girl, what a good wife you would be
but my life, my lover, my lady is the sea.

okay, that song is neither here nor there.  why is emily talking about a
pirate?!?

peace,

pam

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i am sooooo jealous-i've been waiting for watershed forever, i never thought
they would play it in concert!! did it rock!?!?! did they do anything
slightly different with it?? karen, we need details!!!-dave

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        ok,  as half the western world knows, my gf has been in france
since september (but she's coming back in less than a month, yay!)
anyway, she has never been a big ig fan. she's a 70s/classic    rock fan
(her car only has an 8 track, if thats an indication!)  she learned most
of the songs because my friends and i played them, or because that was
what i would stick in the stereo when it was my turn to drive when we
went cross country this summer. then one night i came across her fast
asleep, with sots playing: caught in the act! a closet case if ever i
saw one: she still wouldn't admit to liking most of their stuff, just
amy's really rock songs.
        so, now she called me and asked me if i would mail her some ig!
she said that she missed hearing them! she even defended them when
someone in a neighboring apartment said that she didn't understand what
the fuss was about! anyway, that was my happy news for the day, thought
i'd share...

        sarah
        spinsker@goucher.edu

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i'm pretty much coming after everyone else on this review, so i won't say
much but:

hooray indigohio!! we're wonderful.  it was great to meet and eat with all
the listees.  i'll have to go back to the spaghetti warehouse for dessert
sometime... :)
the sound was so much better in the palace than in the dayton arena (hmm,
don't think that's too odd...) and the show was awesome, which is good,
because the memory of it has to get me through finals week. friends
back at school were shocked because they'd never seen me bouncing
around in joy before. back to lurking and paper-writing.

:)

anna m.


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subject:      what that guy says in hkf...

hey all!

i'm a total email packrat.  always saving interesting little tidbits of
useless information.  some folks have been asking about this again so i
thought i'd dig it up and send it out.

dianne


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date: wed, 8 oct 1997 20:54:11 -0400

he says 2 phrases.

the second (at 5:14 in the song is "see ya around")

the first phrase at roughly 2:42 is "it so hard when they have their
packed
bags and they're going away"

i remember spending an entire night with a high end audio system trying
to
figure that out...
mike r.


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did they play this, or was that idiot flyer news writer just really
mistaken?
jill

yes, the clothes make the man.
but the woman makes the clothes.
so what does that make the woman?

--meryn cadell

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subject:      tickets needed:milw.-riverside

anyone have 2 tickets to sell for milwaukee at riverside?
please e-mail me privately.
thanks & peace,  mary jo

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subject:      cd 101 tape

hi everyone.
well, i didn't go to the show in columbus or the radio interview, even
though i live here, but i did tape the cd 101 thing that some of you went
to! it's about 30 minutes long or so, and i would be willing to dub it
for people who want it--trades would be nice cause my boot collection is
pitifully small. i'd love some early stuff, blue food, etc. but if you
want it and don't have boots then i'll just take your blanks! i could put
some other stuff on the other side of a 60 min tape--such as a
little-heard recording of amy and em doing jt's "you've got a friend" and
"danny's song" and some other 70s faves.
anyway, let me know if you want it--email me privately!  i'm so jealous.
someday, i will meet the girls.  oh yes, i will.
love and peace,
beth
ps. if you email me after sunday, i'll be in cuba and won't check my mail
for 10 days! :)
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is anyone planning a list party before the show?

- rick

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yeah....i think the review of the dayton show was a bit off...either
they didn't play "down by the river," or i was just stoned...i don't
recall doin' any drugs! anyone else know what's up?

-bethany ;)

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hallooo...

this is a thread from last week, but i just got around to adding to it
tonight....

> sherlyn koo  wrote:
> >also, has anyone noticed that in the little picture on p93,
> >emily has blue fingernails?  it looks like someone did a
> >bad touch-up job on the photo or something... *grin*
>
> emily talked about her blue nail polish on one of the boots i have... i think
> it was on a radio show.  it was an amusing sidebar, as i recall... amy said
> she'll have to stick with clear. :-)
>

i was just curious....could you (deb) maybe share little more about this
"sidebar"?

i don't know if y'all remember, but i had the good fortune to interview
the girls back in april when they were here (penn state).  in
retrospect, i think it was a horrible interview -- they were incredibly
sweet and i got to share a love seat with amy (the thought still makes
me sweat :), but my questions were just so, i don't know, dumb.  (except
for finally finding out what those opening lines in shed your skin
mean!).  anyhow, the other woman that was with me had blue toenails.
when the interview was over, and we were all just kind of sitting around
and making small talk, emily noticed alison's nails and asked her where
she got the nail polish (she said something like "i need to get some
cool colors...").  being in penn state, just about everything is blue or
white, so blue nail polish is fairly common.  emily asked alison that if
she gave her money, would she "mind" going downtown and picking her up
some.  i had to go find some info for the girls about psu's
particularly-homophobic-women's-basketball coach (they were really fired
up about that and wanted some *dirt* on it -- especially amy.  she
dragged <like she'd really have to *drag* me anywhere> me down to the
production office in the venue to give me the private number there so
that i could call them when i had a little more info.  they had been in
the process of painting some basketballs rainbow colors in protest when
we came in to talk to them.), and alison headed down to college avenue
for the nail polish.  she told me later on that she bought emily some
blue and some black nail polish, and gave emily her money back.

so, everytime i hear someone mention that emily had blue or black
fingernails, i assume that it's the stuff from psu.  i don't know if
what she said in that interview has anything to do my little story....

lurve,
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hallooo...

<p>this is a thread from last week, but i just got around to adding to
it tonight....
<blockquote type=cite>
<pre>sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au> wrote:
>also, has anyone noticed that in the little picture on p93,
>emily has blue fingernails?  it looks like someone did a
>bad touch-up job on the photo or something... *grin*

emily talked about her blue nail polish on one of the boots i have... i think
it was on a radio show.  it was an amusing sidebar, as i recall... amy said
she'll have to stick with clear. :-)</pre>
</blockquote>
 
<br>i was just curious....could you (deb) maybe share little more about
this "sidebar"?

<p>i don't know if y'all remember, but i had the good fortune to interview
the girls back in april when they were here (penn state).  in retrospect,
i think it was a horrible interview -- they were incredibly sweet and i
got to share a love seat with amy (the thought still makes me sweat :),
but my questions were just so, i don't know, dumb.  (except for finally
finding out what those opening lines in shed your skin mean!).  anyhow,
the other woman that was with me had blue toenails.  when the interview
was over, and we were all just kind of sitting around and making small
talk, emily noticed alison's nails and asked her where she got the nail
polish (she said something like "i need to get some cool colors..."). 
being in penn state, just about everything is blue or white, so blue nail
polish is fairly common.  emily asked alison that if she gave her
money, would she "mind" going downtown and picking her up some.  i
had to go find some info for the girls about psu's particularly-homophobic-women's-basketball
coach (they were really fired up about that and wanted some *dirt* on it
-- especially amy.  she dragged <like she'd really have to *drag*
me anywhere> me down to the production office in the venue to give me the
private number there so that i could call them when i had a little more
info.  they had been in the process of painting some basketballs rainbow
colors in protest when we came in to talk to them.), and alison headed
down to college avenue for the nail polish.  she told me later on
that she bought emily some blue and some black nail polish, and gave emily
her money back.

<p>so, everytime i hear someone mention that emily had blue or black fingernails,
i assume that it's the stuff from psu.  i don't know if what she said
in that interview has anything to do my little story....

<p>lurve,
<br>feather
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date:         tue, 2 dec 1997 23:49:29 -0500
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okay.  this week has just been too weird so far.  first,
one of my good friends from uva came over on sunday night
and saw my new dar sticker on my car and said "oh, by the
way, my older sister has a good friend who really likes
dar.  her name is dianne."  i said, "hmmm.  i wonder if
that's the ig list dianne".  and it was, as i found out by
e-mailing dianne.
and yes, jill and anna, that was me on 1-64, in my black
chevy cavalier, with my indigo girls and uva stickers on
the back, going 95 miles an hour, singing along to my
"steph's indigo girls favorites" tape and trying not to
disturb my non-ig fan passengers.
i'm famous! in the university of dayton paper...it doesn't
get much better than that.  oh wait, yes it does.  that
article would have completely sucked if it weren't for my
name.
so anyway, i'm having a really crappy week school-wise and
this stuff definitely made it better.  now if only i could
have been at the columbus show...or if the girls decide to
come somewhere around here on their club tour...or if
they're in europe the same time i am this summer...
can i just say that i love this list?
                        stephanie

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bethany wrote:
>either
>they didn't play "down by the river," or i was just stoned...i don't
>recall doin' any drugs! anyone else know what's up?

well, they did play "three hits," and the reporter (i use this term loosely)
wrote something about "poetry in motion," so i'm assuming she confused these
two songs - kind of a hard thing to do, imo, but whatever...

elizabeth

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that hope always triumphs over experience.
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and i believe that love is stronger than death."
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anna grace mickelsen wrote:

er, that's anna "beth", isn't it? <big grin... she, and a few select
others will be sure to get that joke!>

> friends back at school were shocked because they'd never seen me bouncing
> around in joy before.

just wanted to mention that i also didn't think you were the bouncing
around type... heh heh... but you sure did some bouncing around outside
while everyone was waiting for the girls to come out to the bus!  and,
oh yeah, i wanted to know if it worked... meaning, me leaving cuz i was
freezing, did that bring our beloved girls outside?  anna?  huh?

and, uh, you bounce really well too... i have to say... and barb agrees!
:)  hey, whatever it takes to keep warm, right?

later,
twink!

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e-
aha! that clears things up nicely! thank ya!

-bethany ;)


elizabeth skipper wrote:
>
> bethany wrote:
> >either
> >they didn't play "down by the river," or i was just stoned...i don't
> >recall doin' any drugs! anyone else know what's up?
>
> well, they did play "three hits," and the reporter (i use this term loosely)
> wrote something about "poetry in motion," so i'm assuming she confused these
> two songs - kind of a hard thing to do, imo, but whatever...
>
> elizabeth
>
> web page: http://www.muohio.edu/~skippeec
> icq#: 4242341
> ~~~
> "i believe that imagination is stronger than knowledge.
> that myth is more potent than history.
> that dreams are more powerful than facts.
> that hope always triumphs over experience.
> that laughter is the only cure for grief.
> and i believe that love is stronger than death."
> -r.fulghum
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i just thought i'd let everyone know that our girls are slipping in the
market. indigo girls are down to 13.83. the goddesses cannot get beaten out
by hanson!!! buy ig stock now!!!!

michelle

the web address is
http://roguemarket.com/

ps - for those of you who are unfamiliar, it doesn't cost any money to play
and it's fun. you can buy and sell shares of your fave celebrities. the
girls need our help.

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does anyone remember just how lousy he was on harmonica at blossom in
june?

tamara? twink!?  don?

please?  anyone?  bueller?

well, at least this tour has helped him become proficient!!  ;)

i have actually had ok dave experiences.  he was moe than amicable at
lilith fair to me when i approached him, and he was somewhat human
(although russell carter was more pleasant) at hte at sheas.

however, i can see where dave can be a real grump.  ;)

boots out the door on friday!!  i am back in commission!  finally
retyped my entire semester's worth of work, plus my 100+ page paper on
native american women.
i can go back to booting again!  now, if i can only get through finals
and these 4 research papers by next wednesday!

thanks for your patience!

karrie

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i don't recall hearing down by the river in dayton.  actually, i was
thinking hard about that, but i can't remember it.  so i guess the
"reporter" was way off if everyone else is questioning that.  but besides
that, the review was so terrible.  the author obviously knows nothing
about the girls, their music, or how hilarious us "indigo heads" would
find her sh**ty review.  anyway, it was worth a good laugh.  i forwarded
the review (along with jill's commentary! :-)  ) to my friend who was with
me in dayton (and to my japanese prof who loves the girls).  anyway, i'll
see what my friend says and i'll ask her about down by the river, but we
were good about getting the setlist down, and i don't have that one
written down!
ja mata!
:-) karen

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o.k. kids, i promise this is the last time i'll harp on this particular
subject! this is for those of you who might have missed my posts on it
in the last week or so.  i just wanna be sure i have everyone before i
start to compile it!
the i.g. cover tape...i've gotten quite a few replies from those of you
who are interested!  that's awesome, but i refuse to believe that there
aren't more of you out there who have a little something to contribute.
don't be mistaken, this isn't a tape to show the list how good you are!
it's all in fun, and anyone who enjoys playing/singing indigo girls
music should not be intimidated or shy to share their talents! sing
and/or play in the name of amy and emily! ;)
you can make recordings of just singing...or singing with guitar or
piano (etc.)...whatever you want... we could make a darned good tape
with what i've received already, but hey...the more the merrier, right?!
i've gotten e-mails from many people, and you should know that there's a
lot of variety...from just a group of friends singing "closer to fine"
to a girl and her piano doin' "leeds."  some are using 4-tracks, and
others (like my singing partner & me) are using the ancient boombox
lookin' thing with a built-in microphone...this ain't no talent show!
just have fun!  it'll be great...promise! if yer interested, drop me an
e-mail...

-bethany ;)

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bethany wrote:
> >they didn't play "down by the river," or i was just stoned...i don't
> >recall doin' any drugs! anyone else know what's up?
and elizabeth figured:
> well, they did play "three hits," and the reporter (i use this term loosely)
> wrote something about "poetry in motion," so i'm assuming she confused these
> two songs - kind of a hard thing to do, imo, but whatever...

my guess is that our airheaded gal pal heard the lyrics "one could send
you *down the river*/three's a strange way to be delivered" and figured
that was the song's title.  duh, duh, duh.  i want to write a feisty
little note to the paper and criticize their idiot staff (like half the
staff is comprised of michelle's friends, so i can pick on them all i
want).
jill

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on wed, 3 dec 1997, karrie wrote:
> does anyone remember just how lousy he was on harmonica at blossom in
> june?
yes, yes, yes, i do.  that was my *first* ig concert ever (i remember
being amazed at so many lesbians in one spot on this good green earth!)
and i recall how this blond guy (i guess that was him) just absolutely
screwed up the harmonica--carol and i thought he was some guy they took
from the audience, some guy who said he knew how to play just so he could
get on stage.  he really did suck.  took him forever to get it to come out
right, when it was actually audible, that is.  heh.
jill

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        ok.  prepare yourselves, grab some popcorn and a soda for what
might possibly be a lengthy post.  since i like to be organized (ha!) and
put things in number order here goes:

1) fan club- somehow, i got onto the ig fan club mailing list (the one no
one seems to be able to join).  i think i sent them like two or three
letters until i finally got some response.  to those who haven't had any
success my deepest apologies.  in any case, for those that didn't get it,
there's letters from a & e (which were kindly posted to this list by
sandy) and a whole bunch of pictures, ordering merchandise info, and
upcoming concert dates.  anyhow, in one of the letters amy says something
very eye catching...which brings us to number 2----

2) ig in nyc--------direct quote from newsletter---------

        " on the political front...we will be playing a benefit in boston
for
> wand (women's action for new directions) and a show called virginia
> slam- to protest the cigarette industry's exploitation of young women
> and the arts...that will be in nyc in january."

        now, i don't know the date nor anything about this show but i'm
sure if some kind soul would search the web in their spare time (trust me,
if it wasn't time to close in on finals, i'd be surfing the web 24-7 til'
i found it) i'm sure they could find something that might help.  if you do
please post it to the list for all to read.  thanx.

3)ok. i'm sitting in my holocaust class tonite and we are watching parts
of a film entitlled "the shoah" which is a 9 1/2 hour documentary with
interviews with different survivors and other people, so this one guy,
(iwrote his name down in my notebook but can't recall it at the moment) is
talking about treblinka, one of the death camps and he says "i saw the
bodies lying there, stacked like wood."  coincidence?  i think not.

4) speaking of this train revised (one of my fav. songs btw) i was playing
it in the car this past weekend for my mom (she didn't like it, then again
we never agree on anything)  and she said that it reminded her of a peter,
paul and mary song that also had the refrain of "this train is bound for
glory" in it.  excuse me for being so young, but can anyone shed some
light on the song by pp&m?

5)  whats the deal with everyone ripping on chickenman lately?  i happen
to really love it and it seems like i'm the only one.
>       the most impressive song had to be the eight-minute rendition of
> the
> familiar "chicken man."...at one point, there was a harmonica solo
> reminiscent of the fiddle solo performed at a dave matthews band concert
> during "ants marching."
>(huh?!)
>not a single person was sitting during this song and one couldn't help
>but
>tap their feet along with the beat even if they didn't know the song.
>(i believe our author is speaking of *herself* here...

                        anyway, thank heaven for email or i might actually
be one of those productive people who actually get their work done.  hope
everyone has a fabulous day.

                        mike d.

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subject:      louisville show!!!

ok all, it's now 2:10 and i don't think it has kicked in yet:

i just sang on stage with the indigo
girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes, tis true.  wow. ok i am kind of still on a high although it really
hasn't hit yet.
  anyway, i'll try to make this relatively brief and list the setlist and
spectacular moments but i do have to say to all of you in the louisville
area, you are extremely lucky to have such a beautiful theater in your midst.
even amy and emily commented on it.  it has to be the most beautiful concert
hall i have ever seen adn i have seen great ones.

ok here we go:
1) get out the map
2) shame on you
3) tried to be true
4) let it be me (big surprise.  i never thought they'd play this but hey, ya
never know right?  they had the biggest smiles on their faces.  i couldn't
believe it was possible to smile that wide.  go girls!)
5) don't give that girl a gun (half of my friends were in tears at the end of
this.  amy did the whole give it back now and i just can't get it together
replacement thing.  it was absolutely incredible.)
6)tangled up in blue (can you say carrie is excited???  good, say it now! ok,
amy said something to em at the very beginning while em was singing and
although i couldn't hear what she said, em stopped singing, giggled and then
went right back into whee she should have been.  it was adorable.  the place
went wild when they started this.  wild.  and the harmonica guy david
rawked!!!)
7) shed your skin (broken string suffices, don'tcha think?  amy was
phenomenal.  i have never seen her play like that ever!  it was amazing.)
8) virginia woolf (amy said to em after she had started no, no and shook her
head in what looked like disappointment but they kept playing and amy got
into it as usual.)
9) land of canaan
10) hammer and nail (hello!  these girls read my mind.  em kind of forgot the
second verse.  it was cute.  she also did the people on the street thing.)
11) scooter boys (absolutely amazing.  could have possibly the highlight of
the show-except when i got to sing with them but anyway...amy was playing
really hard and was saying something under her breath over and over but i
couldn't read her lips; she was talking too quickly.  hey blue blood you're
nothing new.  i am to blame and so are you!)
12) leeds (silent except for the chick behind me who kept talking, laughing,
anf leaving her aisle.  hello manners!)
13)bury my heart at wounded knee (added as a request.  all i have to say is
jerry rocks the musical world.  that man is so damn talented it's pouring out
like sweat.)
14) chickenman!!!!!!!!!!! (harmonica guy went nuts and everyone stopped
playing just to watch him jam.  he rocked- and he hit on my friend later
after the show..hehe  not much soc but some.  "i need one more life. he said
you gotta pay for that.  i need one more song. you gotta pay for that.")
15) galileo (crowd went wild as usual- but they seemed to know the words to
almost all of the songs.  i was quite surprised.)
16) ghost (ok, so sue me.  i cried.  as usual. i couldn't help it.  i knew
that someday i would get to hear this song live.)
17) acadian driftwood with danielle howle and the tantrums. (really cool
song)
18) i don't really remember what happened after this but i think this is when
i got up on stage for closer to fine.  they put another mike on stage and amy
looked at my friend mamta and me and said was it you two?  mamta didn't even
answer i don't think.  she just ran on the stage.  we were front row in the
pit so i mean, i was leaning on the stage the whole show and pounding out
beats on the floor of the stage.  i could have painted the girls' toenails.
so we got up and sang with them.  if you want more details, e-mail me
privately because i can't think straight...hmm...clearly (hehe) right now but
needless to say, this is one day i will never, ever forget.
  if anyone got pics, please e-mail me!  i  will pay you for them!  i don't
know if any of mine will come out so we'll see.  but i have never seen the
girls look so happy.  and emily was wearing a diamond wedding band.
absolutely stunning.  saw the entire tattoo but couldn't quite tell what it
was since i didn't want amy to think i was looking down her shirt when i was
hugging her and telling her my name.  but they looked happy and chipper and
so beautiful.  we are so lucky to be blessed with these wonderful musicians
and wonderful women.  ok enough mush for 2 something in the morning.
off to bed and sweet dreams (yeah right.  who could sleep?)
night,
carrie

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 02:24:00 -0500
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subject:      louisville- attn,joan

oh and joan, i forgot this in the other e-mail but it was great to meet you.
thanks for coming over because i didn't remember what you said you'd be
wearing.  i hope you enjoyed the show as much as i did.
carrie

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has anyone heard any more details about the january west coast swing,
especially seattle? when? where? tickets? how do you listees in the
know, know before these are announced? just curious. am i missing a
secret source of information? a conspiracy perhaps? hmmm. i have watched
too many x-files episodes...filmed in my backyard of north vancouver btw
(hence mulder and scully's fondness for the umbrella as a fashion
accessory).

another btw...for you vancouverites (are there any of you out there?)
the authors of "daughters of the moon sisters of the sun" will be at the
vancouver public library on dec. 5 (fri.) at 7:30. if anyone wants me to
try to get a book signed and sent (whenever our mail strike ends...so no
promises for christmas). i can probably get a few. i can be bribed with
promises of boots. please email me privately, eh (typical canuck phasing
thrown in for effect - we don't all speak that way eh.)

back to lurkdom.
helen

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...cause i sent a package to my stepbrother in california (*indio*,
ca--isn't that funny?  almost but not quite igc in that town!) by express
mail this afternoon.  seeing as how i don't trust the postal system, i am
having my doubts that it will actually arrive there in time...they said
"highly likely to get there by the next day, and guaranteed by thurs.
morning", which is rather anxiety-inducing, considering chip told me the
plane leaves for iowa at 10:00 a.m. (for those of you doing the math, that
would put the girls at the airport in iowa at about 4 p.m.)thursday
morning.  please everybody, cross your fingers and your toes and hold your
breath and light a candle, light a votive, say a prayer, ask the saints,
beg god, chat with the goddess, ask mother nature, father time, and fate
to please get my package to my beautiful lesbian goddesses on time.  i
don't know *how* else i will ever get this stuff to them...  i wrote one
letter to the both of them, and one separate one for each of them, and
sent one of the most wonderful books i've ever read--_blue highways_, by
william least heat-moon.  if you've never read or even heard of it, please
seek it out, it is so touching and full of beautiful and sometimes bleakly
stark truths of life, in the form of sioux sayings and indian traditions.
please read it, you will be entertained, educated, and amazed.  i think
amy and em would like it--i was trying to send something that would make
them *feel* for themselves the way their music makes *me* feel.
please get there on time, little package.....
wishin' and hopin',
jill
p.s. i called chip and told him about the concert and the airplane content
and he was laughing *so hard*!  he was like, "wow!  now i *really* can't
wait until thursday!  we're gonna have some interesting stuff to talk
about!"  yeah, get this:  he told me, "do you know what i do on these
flights?  i help them get all settled in, and [while the other co-pilot
is, uh, piloting] i go into the back and chat with them and get them
drinks and stuff."  he was like a giddy little kid, as was i.  "no way!
you've gotta get my foot in their door!" i screamed into the phone.
"schmooze!  schmooze!"  tee hee.
wonderful, wonderful, wonderful.  he really is a nice guy (heh, though
i've never met him!); i think our girls will really take to him and, oh, i
dunno, give him their home addresses, concert tickets, an engagement ring,
the usual, for his *adorable* little stepsister.  ;)  of course.  as soon
as i hear from him, i will post the details about the trip...
later...
jill
i can't sleep, i am so worried that package won't get there on time.  i'm
having visions of it being delivered minutes after he leaves for work.
arg.
help, join forces, maybe a list-wide wish will work miracles.  i bet!

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k: it took some though. but like the pirate and the girl verse coming
in the middle of mystery... was that..

e: which part now? the..

k: the pirate gets the ship and the girl? (e: oh yeah yeah..yeah) at
the end of mystery?

a: that's good.

e: yeah.. that song is about a love that, like two people come from
totally different parts of the spectrum, or however you
want to voice it, and i was trying to create tension with that verse.
and i was trying to juxtapose the brutality of a pirate, and
that strength and force and masculinity or whatever it was, with the
sort of subdued quality, or listening ear of the person who's
taken in by that and how it all meshes together.. i was just sort of
trying to mix those images together.


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i wish to know what the song 'winthrop'is about....when it gets dark
there?(as opposed to
5pm in leeds).i have never heard it.

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hey folks!  this will be an abbreviated review, as it is 3:00 in the
morning and i just got home...and i have to get up at 6:30 to get ready
for work!  eeek!  anyhoo, i *know* there are other folks out there who
can fill in the details.  the show was fantastic, the vibe was incredible,
the atmosphere, warmth and architecture of the palace theater were
*spectacular* and amy and emily were all smiles!  one little snafu, though:
my friend jenn and i drove up from nashville.  we thought louisville
was on central time.  it isn't!!!!!  we passed a sign that said "entering
eastern time zone" and we were like "holy shit!!!!!!!!!!  it"s 8:15
instead of 7:15!!!!" (and we had about 85 more miles to go).  joan
was pushing 90 this evening!  completely missed danielle howle's set
and i was thoroughly upset about that.  she was out in the hallway after
her set and i talked with her for a little while, so i don't feel too
cheated by the time zone gods (and my own ignorance:)  the girls came on
while we were in the ladies' room, but i was writing down the
setlist!  here it is:
get out the map
shame on you
tried to be true
don't give that girl a gun (different ending this time...mood lighting, too)
tangled up in blue   (yeah!!!!)
shed your skin (amy broke a string...on her *electric*)
virginia woolf
land of canaan
hammer and a nail
scooter boys
leeds
bury my heart at wounded knee  (rawked!!!)
chickenman (no soc, but an extremely long harmonica solo by dave ellison...
   amy and emily were looking at him and laughing)
galileo (warm fuzzy vibes filled the theater)
encore:
ghost  (ahhhhh!)
arcadian driftwood (w/danielle and the tantrums)
closer to fine

which brings me to one of the highpoints:  our very own carrie (and her
friend...can't remember her name) got to sing onstage during closer to
fine!!!!  she was holding up one of those "can we sing with you" (or
whatever) signs.  she was up there jamming!!!!  i took my point-and
shoot camera and snapped some photos of carrie and her friend singing,
and then hugging a&e, etc.  she was sooo pumped!  i'm so glad it was a
listee that got to sing tonight.  i went over and talked to carrie
after the show and she was just on cloud nine!  (hi carrie!)
i wish i could have met up with some of the rest of you, but the time
zone thing (and a late start after work) made us waay late.
oh yeah - amy got a haircut...and it looks fantastic!  fashion
report:
amy wore a white blouse with vertical maroon decorative stripes, open
far enough down that you had a very clear view of her tatoo.  i was in
the sixth row and had binoculars, but i couldn't discern what the tatoo is.
however, i did notice that amy has a filling in the upper left side of her
mouth. (saw that through the binocs when she opened her mouth really
wide) <g>  she had on these...um...*unusual* pants.  they were corduroy,
with vertical red, mustard, blue, etc. etc. etc. stripes and they were
kind of like hip-huggers...very short-waisted pants.  i laughed when
i saw them, 'cause they look like a pair of pants i had when i was
in elementary school in the early 1970s, when those vertical striped
pants were last popular.  emily had on a blue plaid flannel (i think)
shirt, and i think she had on dark pants.  she didn't have on any
nail polish this time...unless it was clear.<g>  they both looked
great and played with the enthusiasm and sheer joy of someone playing
their songs before an audience for the first time.  amy just smiled
constantly.  the audience was very loving and respectful.  i found
it interesting that a large portion of the audience near the front
(orchestra 3) sat for most of the show.  i cannot begin to properly
describe the theater.  when you look at the ceiling, it's black and
you see little lights...it's as if you're looking up at the stars.
and all of the beautiful life-size(?) (and anatomically correct, i
might add) statues alongside the walls up near the ceiling...  that
place itself is a work of art.  well, that's all i have for now.
did anyone boot this show???

peace and nightie night,

joan :-d

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just a thought...don't you think this would be an invasion of the girls'
privacy? posting it, i mean? sure, your brother's going to tell you all
about his experience with the girls, that's natural. but...posting those
details to a listserv is wrong. this is not a flame, just a comment.
check the iglist faq and i think you'll agree to let the girls have some
privacy here.:-)

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<<<< of course.  as soon
as i hear from him, i will post the details about the trip...
later...
jill >>>>>


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        >4) speaking of this train revised (one of my fav. songs btw) i
was playing
        >it in the car this past weekend for my mom (she didn't like it,
then again
        >we never agree on anything)  and she said that it reminded her
of a peter,
        >paul and mary song that also had the refrain of "this train is
bound for
        >glory" in it.  excuse me for being so young, but can anyone
shed some
        >light on the song by pp&m?

"this train" (the original) is listed in rise up  singing (the coolest
chordbook ever) without an author, and under the gospel section, but i'm
pretty sure its attributed to woody guthrie. he and pp &m both recorded
it, but i think it was his song. the original went:

this train is bound for glory, this train(2x)
this train is bound for glory, don't ride nothin' but the righteous and
the holy
this train is bound for glory, this train

this train don't carry no gamblers, this train (2x)
this train don't carry no gamblers, no hot town women, no midnight
ramblers
this train don't carry no gamblers, this train

this train is built for speed now/fastest train you ever did see
this train don't carry no liars/no hypocrites and no high flyers
this train don't pay no transportation/no jim crow no discrimination


anyway, thats why amy's version is "this train (revised)"

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 08:22:26 -0500
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i kinda would disagree - i mean there was a closed to public press
conference at the penobscot show and i not only posted the highlights - i
wrote a story about it. i mean if my sister saw amy at ll bean's - she'd
tell me and i would post it...
i dunno, seems pretty harmless after being on this list for five years.
mike r.

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there are a couple of places i go to in cambride/boston that have good used
tapes and such:
disc diggers>401 highland ave somerville((davis square)

twisted village>harvard square(12 elliot

planet>536 commonwealth ave

mystery train>1208 mass ave, cambridge

486 comm ave.nuggets

hope this helps

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i'm posting this to the list cause maybe its just me and you all can
flame me privately( and then i'll shut up...well..i'll try..and then
i'll apologizing for gettin on this soapbox.
but..
i'm gettin real uncomfortable with yer constant reference to the girls
as lesbian goddesses..i don't know..but i think there is so much more we
appreciate about them that we don't need to keep on singling out that
one bit of "private" news about them.
i mean, how'd ya like it if people on campus repeatedly yelled in front
of hundreds of folks.."hey ..theres jill that lesbian."..
kinda  make me squirm a little...
just my two cents..if anyone wants me to shutup and go back under my
rock , please tell me so ..i just had to get it off my chest...

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i beg to differ.

a press conference indicates a) members of the media are there and will
report what transpires, so you posting it violates no privacy; and b)
amy and emily are there as the indigo girls, performers and subject to
public scrutiny.

however, amy and/or emily jogging down a street, buying grapenuts at a
grocery store, shopping for christmas presents or - yes, even - flying
in a private jet, are amy and/or emily, human beings - deserving
privacy.

just because you or someone you know sees them outside of their concerts
and scheduled public appearances, doesn't make it okay for you to post
the information to a listserv. when that happens, the list becomes a
tracker, or surveillance report of sorts, and that is bound to be
unnerving to the girls.

how would you feel if i jumped into your car with you after a hard day
of work and took note of every little thing you said and did, then
posted it to a listserv? or, what if i saw you at a mall and followed
behind you watching what you bought and tried on? how would you feel if
lots of people did things like that to you all the time?

i do not want to get a flame war going here, but i feel strongly about
this. it may seem harmless, one story at a time, but i would imagine it
tends to add up and become quite a burden for them.

peace.

:-)

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"till human voices wake us, and we drown." t.s. eliot


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reply-to: michael reynolds <asl@umcs.maine.edu>
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subject:      re: ig plane trip preface...cross yer fingers, guys...
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i kinda would disagree - i mean there was a closed to public press
conference at the penobscot show and i not only posted the highlights -
i
wrote a story about it. i mean if my sister saw amy at ll bean's - she'd
tell me and i would post it...
i dunno, seems pretty harmless after being on this list for five years.
mike r.

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subject:      re: ig plane trip preface...cross yer fingers, guys...
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>the
>plane leaves for iowa at 10:00 a.m. (for those of you doing the math,
>that
>would put the girls at the airport in iowa at about 4 p.m.)thursday
>morning.

and now how many of you iowans are going to just happen to be hannging
out at the airport about 4pm?

---derek

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well i have to say that the loiusville show was definately great last
night, but it may be the most disappointing this touring season.  don't get
me wrong, the girls were great, great set and everything but a huge thumbs
down to the louisville crowd who, in my opinion, was rude during nearly
every song.  it's prety sad when amy has to look at people in the crowd and
put her finger to her lips to tell them to be quiet when emily's singing
the 3rd verse of virginia woolf.  you could tell that amy was pissed when
she remarked that "there must be a private party going on down here in
front."  it also pisses me off when the girls in my row, who looked like
they were about 12, left the row every other song, to get beer.  the sad
thing about this show is the fact that it seemed more like a bar than a
beautiful theater.  people talked through most of the songs and made asses
of themselves when they jumped on stage at the end of the show to hug amy
and emily. to top it all off after the show i hear 2 girls (who sat closer
than me at the show) say "jeez, i didn't even know half the songs they
played" and then another say "so let me get this straight, their both
lesbians??  wasn't one of them married once?"  i'm sorry for griping about
this folks and i know some of you will disagree with me, but it's my pet
peeve and it really pisses me off when i travel hundreds of miles to see
shows and then have to listen to people who only know galileo, closer to
fine, and shame on you, talk and scream through the other songs.  then some
of the drunken people go out and hassle the security guards by the bus.  in
my opinion, at this rate, the girls contact with their fans will wither
away. when you have drunken fools running on their stage to grab you, yopu
wouldn't want to stop, sign autographs and meet people after the show!

i'm sorry for bitching and if you read this far, thanks.

~rob
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i've finished this book, and while the ig interview was excellent, with a
couple of good b&w pics, i don't consider it a keeper.  i bought it at
amazon.com for $15.96 + $3.95 shipping
<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/isbn=0865713774/0580-8502584-184489>.
mine's still in mint condition, and i'm asking $15, including shipping.

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 11:18:08 -0500
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on thu, 4 dec 1997, pooh wrote:

> i'm posting this to the list cause maybe its just me and you all can
> flame me privately( and then i'll shut up...well..i'll try..and then
> i'll apologizing for gettin on this soapbox.
> but..
> i'm gettin real uncomfortable with yer constant reference to the girls
> as lesbian goddesses..i don't know..but i think there is so much more we
> appreciate about them that we don't need to keep on singling out that
> one bit of "private" news about them.
i think she is just saying it to be funny, pooh.  and how can the news be
"private" when they discuss it publicly?  i doubt she yells "lesbian
goddesses" in front of tons of people....ya don't, do ya jill???!!!???
;-)

peace,
amy

>

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rob hit the nail on the head with this one....at the nov. 25 atlanta show
i was on the floor but closer to the back, and there was a whole group of
folks behind me who apparently paid about $30 a ticket to come to a
concert and freakin' talk!  sad thing is, the next night i was only 5 rows
back and there were still yakky people all around.  makes me wish i had
brought my tranquilizer gun...

oh, by the way, i forgot to mention that my girlfriend got nov.26's
setlist!!!!  i thought she'd tell y'all but she's too busy trying to
graduate right now...where are here priorities...;-)
she just walked up and asked sulli for the set list very nicely and sulli
obliged...i told bj the next time we go to a concert, we are bringing
gifts for sulli!!!  that woman works sooooo hard...she deserves a little
recognition!  :)


well, that's enough!  gotta go join the rat race, ugh!

love,
amy

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please please if anyone taped ppv on friday, could you help us out?no, i
didn't get the blank yet, but you are gonna kill me.  our volume
wasn't working on the cable box so i didn't order it.  now i am without
a
taped copy too.  i will post this to the list any offer my life to
anyone
who can do it for us and then i'll forward it to you

please forgive me...karen

michelle n. reeves wrote:

> i just realized it was you i asked to tape the ppv lilith fair show.
> i had forgotten and posted a general question to the ig list. this is
> mreeves74@aol.com, but from work. did you get to record it for me? i
> sent you the blank tape on 11/23/97
>
> just checkin.

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i have to add my two cents!!!    "lou uh vuhl"   is a mightly fine
pronunciation!!  i was very proud of my city last night.   the concert was
fabulous!  the theatre was beautiful.  arent' the stars beautiful?   bonnie
and i danced our "not so small and not so young" booties all night long.  too
bad the people around us had to listen to me singing at the top of my lungs
like i should be on stage, too!!

i did see carrie on stage, didn't know for sure at the time that it was
someone from the list.....
how fun!!!  they were singing like crazy and having the time of their life!!


the number of songs they played was a little disappointing to me but they
really made up for that in the rocking good time they have playing their
music...  they completely enjoy doing what they do and they get off on the
fans enjoying it too!!!  they almost seem surprised after each song that we
are completely diggin it!!

wish i had heard romeo and juliet.......
maybe next time when i take my kids!!!
thank you to bonnie who is an excellent good time.
michelle
one last thing, anyone who hasn't heard danielle howle (?) and the
tantrums....
if they continue to open, you've got to see them!!!!   is it true she is 19
yrs old?

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>i was very proud of my city last night.


seriously???  i would think that you would be disappointed with all the
rude and talkative fans!  that was my first time in louisville but after
the inconsiderate showing of the crowd, i might not ever come back.  i
hope for your sake that a&e don't think the same, however, i wouldn't
blame them if they did.


>too bad the people around us had to listen to me singing at the top of
my lungs

>like i should be on stage, too!!


ya know people, it's great to sing during the songs that should be sung.
galileo, least comp. shame on you, land of canaan, etc.  but last night
the girls behind us (it wasn't you) scream sang ghost and virginia woolf
among others.  there's a time for everything, y'all.  that's what we have
to remember.  a time to sing and a time to listen. it is too bad that the
people around you had to listen to your singing<italic>.</italic> be
considerate of a&e and your fellow fans.  i paid $30 to hear amy and
emily sing, not the 15 year olds behind me!!


that's my 2 cents.

~rob

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i would have to take the side that it is ok to talk about times you meet
them, even if its not a press gathering, as long as people use some common
sense.  when i worked in a comic book store and sold amy comics, i saw
nothing wrong with posting to the list what she was interested in.
however, even though i know where she lived at the time, i think it
_would_ have been very inappropriate to post this information to the list.

extending this further, is it inappropriate for people to tell stories of
getting to meet them backstage?  obviously, the line of private vs. public
is a fuzzy one, and we should try to err on the side of respecting their
privacy.  however, at some level we just have to use our own best
judgement...

darren, who realizes this is probably incoherent, but hasn't slept much...

ps -  she bought give me liberty and sin city and pretty much anything
frank miller wrote.  and a speed racer comic.

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subject:      attn: lisa shreihart!!! (nigc)

okay, babe, i've got dar all ready for you.  what's your address again?

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betsy coe wrote:
>
> barb wrote:
> >hey y'all!  check out the newsgroup:  alt.tv.xena-subtext  for some
> >interesting discussions on the "subtext" on xwp.  the show itself
> >doesn't get as political as this discussion group!  just wanted to plug
> >my other obsession...after noticing some feminist discussions here,
> >thought some of you might want to check this out.  by the way, i think
> >the kids do get the subtext!  robert isn't fooling anyone!
>
> i have one question about it, what constitutes a kid? i am 16 am
> completly understand it. i mean who couldn't interioert the looks they
> give each other or the way the care about each other and fight for each
> other. i don't know how you couldn't see it! robert isn't fooling
> anybody
> betsy
>
i'm 34 and it never occurred to me that they were anything other than
very close friends.  just like hercules and iolus (sp?)

joy b

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amy c <stu6361@westga.edu> wrote:
==========
she just walked up and asked sulli for the set list very nicely and
sulli
obliged...i told bj the next time we go to a concert, we are bringing
gifts for sulli!!!  that woman works sooooo hard...she deserves a little
recognition!  :)
==========

you might have read my bitching about not being able to see ig at the
fox in atlanta because i *had* to be with family in the ne for t-day.

however, i was in minneapolis when they played there nov 19... and i got
the chance to talk to sulli and i *did* do something for her. i gave her
a few copies of a couple of pics of her alone and with a friend that i
took at the mm benefit in oct (when she was wearing *makeup* & nice
clothes - she looked *great* btw).

she seemed genuinely touched to be getting the pics and thanked me.

amy c is obviously right - everybody is always giving sulli stuff for
a&e - but nobody ever does anything just for her.

and as anyone who has ever had the chance to meet sulli knows - she's
incredibly sweet, thoughtful, and very cool.

:o)
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on thu, 4 dec 1997, pooh wrote:
> i'm gettin real uncomfortable with yer constant reference to the girls
> as lesbian goddesses..i don't know..but i think there is so much more we
> appreciate about them that we don't need to keep on singling out that
> one bit of "private" news about them.
oh, hey, pooh, i was just kiddin'--don't'cha' remember where that goddess
stuff came from?  the thread about what baigl meant?  and one of the
possible solutions was beautiful amy is the goddess lesbian?--ya don't
remember?  well, that's what i was joking about...  i guess i was bein'
*too* over-the-top.  :] sorry.
jill

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you guys all wrote............

> subject: re: ig plane trip preface...cross yer fingers, guys...
> date: wed, 3 dec 1997 05:07:58 pst
> from: dana scully <lurker98@hotmail.com>
>
> just a thought...don't you think this would be an invasion of the girls'
> privacy? posting it, i mean? sure, your brother's going to tell you all
> about his experience with the girls, that's natural. but...posting those
> details to a listserv is wrong. this is not a flame, just a comment.
> check the iglist faq and i think you'll agree to let the girls have some
> privacy here.:-)
>

i have to agree here.  sorry, but a small plane big enough for 5 or 6 people was
rented for a reason.....so that every human being in america wouldn't be staring
and chatting with amy and emily.
do you see anyone getting on the tour bus and then telling us all?

what goes on on tour buses, airplanes, cars and walking down the road is not our
business unless amy and emily want to tell us through their music.  ( a la
chickenman, airplane, reunion.)  don't you people see enough of their lives
through their art?

>   ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> subject: hey jill!!! re: lesbian goddess remarks
> date: thu, 4 dec 1997 08:20:03 -0800
> from: pooh <pooh40@mc.net>
>
> i'm posting this to the list cause maybe its just me and you all can
> flame me privately( and then i'll shut up...well..i'll try..and then
> i'll apologizing for gettin on this soapbox.
> but..
> i'm gettin real uncomfortable with yer constant reference to the girls
> as lesbian goddesses..i don't know..but i think there is so much more we
> appreciate about them that we don't need to keep on singling out that
> one bit of "private" news about them.
> i mean, how'd ya like it if people on campus repeatedly yelled in front
> of hundreds of folks.."hey ..theres jill that lesbian."..
> kinda  make me squirm a little...
> just my two cents..if anyone wants me to shutup and go back under my
> rock , please tell me so ..i just had to get it off my chest...

thank you thank you thank you............
i'm in agreement.  (and as far as yelling amy, there are a lot of people on this
list.  don't we count?)
amy and emily are people.  gays and lesbians are people.  before you start
identifying everyone by their sexuality, maybe you should see them as people
first.  and if the only reason you like a&e is because of their sexuality, maybe
you need to re-examine what you value in people a little more.  i personally
could care less what sexual orientation someone is if they are talented.  i like
the ig's music because of their message, which is one of trust, love, human
companionship and activism to make the world a better place for all.  they speak
across borders of race, gender, religion and sexual preference.  get over it.
so what.  they are lesbian.   and the point is...what?

people are people.  the sooner we realize this, the better off we will all be.
otherwise, there will never be equality.  if equality is to ever be reached, we
need to quit pointing out differences and start looking at the fundamental fact
that we are all human beings first and foremost.

>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> subject: re: ig plane trip preface...cross yer fingers, guys...
> date: wed, 3 dec 1997 10:03:21 est
> from: derek duncan <dlmsduncan@juno.com>
>
> >the
> >plane leaves for iowa at 10:00 a.m. (for those of you doing the math,
> >that
> >would put the girls at the airport in iowa at about 4 p.m.)thursday
> >morning.
>
> and now how many of you iowans are going to just happen to be hannging
> out at the airport about 4pm?
>
> ---derek
>

hopefully no one.

back to researching.....sorry to sound grumpy, but invading amy and emily's
privacy and declaring everybody and their families sexuality all over this list
is getting old.

peace-
karrie

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subject:      nigc: other artist boots

if anyone out there has boots of either sheryl crow or g.love , please e-mail
me privately ...

a friend of mine would like to get her hands on one or both of these artists
as a secret santa gift ..........

thanks

chris (catching up on e-mail from the past five days, cause i was in philly
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---snip snip-------
>she had on these...um...*unusual* pants.
> emily had on a blue plaid flannel (i think)
>shirt, and i think she had on dark pants
--------snip snip snip--------

doncha just love hearing 'bout the girls pants...?  sorry, but being a brit,
it always makes me smile <bg>

also, i'd like to welcome my new pal and musical collaborator, tracey field,
to the list (are you here yet?)  hurrah for another uk listee!  (and a very
talented multi-instrumentalist and songwriter with impeccable musical taste
to boot!)

ummm, how about we start a new '12 indigo days of christmas' thread?  i'll
dig out last years and repost, but i'm sure this years new material could
provide a few more suitable lines....  y'know, 11 burning letters, 10 kind
friends...that kind of thing...preferably ones where the numbers are in the
lyric too, and that acutually scan when you try to sing them...  i'll
compile a list of all the best suggestions - mail me privately and keep the
list nigc free?

seffy

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i'm not going to start on the privacy/airplane thingy because i'm not sure
what my opinion is yet.  the only thing i have to say is remember when you
post something that you should write only what you would be comfortable
having a or e read (or hear about).
now, about the whole lesbian goddess thing...
the way i always took jill's use of this phrase was this way:
amy is beautiful.  by beautiful i mean that all aspects of her (her music,
her appearance, her sense of humor, her activism, etc.) put together make a
beautiful human being.  so that's the beautiful part.  i always thought the
lesbian part came from the fact that a lot of us hold little fantasies about
amy (and as long as they don't go too far, they're okay).  imo, she is, like
ellen and melissa etheridge, etc., a lesbian icon.  someone we can admire,
just as people of different races find people of that race who have done
something to further the position of the race to admire (i'm trying to be
general and pc about this).  so i don't think the word lesbian was ever used
as an identifier (as it would be in pooh's suggestion, "hey there's jill,
that lesbian"), but more that she is a goddess to lesbians (as in a pagan
god is a god to pagans, not necessarily a god who practices paganism).
obviously i'm not the one who used the phrase, so i can't know if that was
it's true meaning, but that's the way i always interpreted it, so it never
offended me.  if any of this is wrong, jill, speak up.  okay, before i
confuse even myself, i'm going to end this post.

elizabeth

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that myth is more potent than history.
that dreams are more powerful than facts.
that hope always triumphs over experience.
that laughter is the only cure for grief.
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i noticed how especially fine emily looked at the st. louis show, too, and i'm an "amyist."  i've been seeing a lot more posts lately saying how fine emily looks.  does she just keep getting better as the years go by, or is it just me? ;)  gosh, she is so cute--and sweet!  anyone else have any input or opinions on this?

toye

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 11:33:22 -0700
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ok y'all,

along with jill's request for happy thoughts for her little package to get
to step-bro on time, i'd like to throw something of the same out there for
y'all to pray, meditate, chant, whatever it is you do to your respective
head honchos, or just think generally good, happy thoughts for clear roads
to seattle in january. it would kill me to know the girls were a meager
8-hour drive away and i was missing it because of that annoying white
powder that falls out of the sky at the most inopportune times (sorry
skiers). and with all the luck it seems some of you have been having, if
we make this a collective effort, i'll be in seattle in january. :0)

thanx,
amy m.

p.s. lynn, if ya hear anything about tix, would ya kindly let me know?
much appreciation.
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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 11:48:20 -0700
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subject:      re: columbus and indigo dreams...long
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on wed, 3 dec 1997, toye gillman wrote:

> i noticed how especially fine emily looked at the st. louis show, too, and i'm an "amyist."  i've been seeing a lot more posts lately saying how fine emily looks.  does she just keep getting better as the years go by, or is it just me? ;)  gosh, she is so cute--and sweet!  anyone else have any input or opinions on this?
>
> toye
>
> meaghan wrote:
> > emily looked and sounded like an angel the entire night,
>
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in re to meghan, methinks emily *is* an angel.

and yes, i think emily does get cuter, which isn't to say that amy doesn't
too. i'm bi-indigo, like that quote that someone posted a while ago
(forgive me, i've forgotten who you are): "amy is the stuff fantasies are
made of, emily is the stuff romantics yearn for." how true.

amy m.

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lynda <lynda@csg-soft.com> wrote:
>all this ellen talk...i got a question. who were ellen and her gfriend
>talking about...the cd they both refered to?  3 different people have
>asked me who this womyn is, i'm lacking on my lesbian triva!!

well, i don't think lesbian trivia has anything to do with it.  they were
speaking of edith piaf
<http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/3660/piaf.html>, a famous french
music-hall singer from the 40's.

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meghan <mkmst23+@pitt.edu> wrote:
>about three or
>four days before the tickets actually go on sale, you go to pick up a
>wristband with a number on it. then the day the tickets go on sale. they
>pick a number at random from those numbers given away at that location,
>and the line forms according to that number. for example, if they drew
>#3456, then #3456 would be the first one in line, the #3457, and so on.
>that way, there's none of that "people waiting in line for three days to
>get tickets" nonsense.

at least that "nonsense" means that the real die-hard fans get the best seats.
which is different from saying that *all* die-hard fans can wait in line for
hours... i'm just saying that those who can and do are surely major fans, and
deserve great seats.  i love red rock's system, with all of the seats up front
(first 20 rows or so) general admission, so that there's only one place people
can wait for the best seats (as opposed to a million tm outlets), and the
front rows always go to people willing to camp out.

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amy m. <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu> wrote:
>ok, so last night, i was browsing the used cds at hastings and came across
>an ig "starters' kit" (and bought it promptly, of course.)

the sampler was sold at target stores around the time that sots was released.

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david bacharach <bf19583@binghamton.edu> wrote:
>i am sooooo jealous-i've been waiting for watershed forever, i never thought
>they would play it in concert!!

they did it at one of the shows i was at recently, when someone requested
it... maybe the harrisburg, pa hte show?

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heather solimini <sweetjane@geocities.com> wrote:
>> emily talked about her blue nail polish on one of the boots i have... i
think
>> it was on a radio show.  it was an amusing sidebar, as i recall... amy said
>> she'll have to stick with clear. :-)

>i was just curious....could you (deb) maybe share little more about this
>"sidebar"?

if i could remember where i heard it, i would have. :-)

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yeah!  it's a plane ride, not a sexual encounter!

mike wrote:

i mean if my sister saw amy at ll bean's - she'd
> tell me and i would post it...
> i dunno, seems pretty harmless after being on this list for five years.

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2 things about the airplane thread:

1) i was at the columbus show and neither amy or emily were at all upset
about jill's airplane sign. they read it out loud to the whole theater and
then had a fairly lengthy conversation about it. they said jill's sign and
the coincidence was "cool." i think their reception of the news kinda makes
this discussion moot.

2) it's funny, after jill first posted, my mental vision of the girls
changed a bit.  i'd never thought of them jetting around in private planes.
i had all these thoughts about how big they're getting and how different
their lives must be and such.  then, in the concert conversation, amy said
this was going to be the first time they'd ever flown on a small plane.  she
also said they were nervous (as if we didn't know how em felt :o) and they'd
see how it went. it was cool how i had to do all this mental readjustment again.

non airplane related stuff:

picked up my concert and big room photos today.  i'd forgotten amy wore a
hank williams shirt to the big room.  that made me laugh.  also, i have the
coolest picture w/twink standing next to amy.  in reality, amy's signing
autographs and twink is waiting in line; but, in the picture, it looks like
twink and amy are standing next to each other signing autographs.  lol (yes,
twink i am making you a print.) man, those gray men's pants amy wore to the
show are kinda...mmm...funky, but not the striped pants kinda funky, if ya'
know what i mean. as far as the pictures go.  i have no scanning
capabilities, sorry.  ***all you indigohio folks who were at the
listmeet--you know who you are--send me your addresses and i'll send you a
very cool pic of the girls in the big room.***  all other folks.  i'm in the
middle of final papers and such, i cannot make any more copies right now.
ask me when i come back dec. 30th and i'll make more then if ya' send an sase.
otay, th-th-that's all, folks.
lisa


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on wed, 3 dec 1997, barb & twink wrote:
>
> er, that's anna "beth", isn't it? <big grin... she, and a few select
> others will be sure to get that joke!>

haha. i've actually decided to change my name to bob now (that's bob with
one 'o') i would change it to tigger (cause of the bouncing you know) but
that's already taken :)

>and, oh yeah, i wanted to know if it worked... meaning, me leaving cuz i
>was freezing, did that bring our beloved girls outside?  anna?  huh?

actually, it didn't work for me. :( i wasn't a fast enough sprinter and
they sneaked onto the bus from another door.   guess i'll just have to try
again in oregon....

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karrie,

that was beautiful, exactly how i feel and was trying to express myself over the
*turkey day* fiasco.

thanks for sharing, you are outtasite!

love,  karen

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hi !
i tried to email you before, but my email bounced back.
:( so this time i am cc-ing the list ( sorry list )
anyhoo i would really like to contribute !

later !
claire

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where i was sitting (orchestra 3, row c), most of the people in that
portion of the audience sat for most of the show and were very polite.  i
do remember amy's remark about the private party.  i don't recall her
sounding pissed, but then again, i was kind of on the side of orchestra 3, and
it took me a moment to figure out what she was talking about.  there
were a bunch of people up front who were rowdy.  this is no social or
political statement, so i do not want anyone to take offense, okay?, but
the people i see at each show who talk incessantly and act rude and
disrespectful almost, without exception, are high school and college-age
girls.  it really bothers me that a lot of the fans in this generation
seem to lack common manners such as respect, listening when other people
singing, etc.  it's as if they are the only souls in the theater
or something.  i don't know if they're just so excited that they're
oblivious to the fact that they are acting like selfish idiots, or
they just don't give a flip.  maybe both!  anyway, rob is right - it's
those folks who hamper our enjoyment of ig shows and who probably make
amy and emily roll their eyes and wonder what is the deal with their
fans.  but last night, my area of the audience was very polite, so
fortunately i didn't witness much of that.  the security guards that
i saw were pretty laid back and nice, btw.  i just can't say enough
about what a beautiful, ornate theater the palace is.  there is a
bar outside the auditorium, which might explain why folks were liquored
up and rowdy.  the thing is, i would think the bar area is where people
should go when they're liqoured up and rowdy, not the auditorium!
anyway...another thing popped into my head about all this.  i recall
reading somewhere that before the early 90s, grateful dead shows used
to be really communal, peaceful gatherings, but when the dead starting
attracting a lot of college age and generation x fans (i hate that term, btw),
the character of the shows changed and a lot of these fans were rude,
selfish, and disrespectful.  seems like i read that they were maybe
getting drunk and obnoxious, cutting line, and generally being selfish...
in contrast to the way people at dead shows had behaved over the years.
does anyone remember reading about this?  anyway, maybe it's lack of
parental teaching or something.  i dunno.  i think those folks are in
the minority, 'cause i know a lot of folks in that age group (and i'm
only 31, for that matter), who are very polite, respectful people.
rob has brought up a very important point, though.

peace,

joan :-d  (who is sleep-deprived in a major way)

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you guys are fast!  i have received plenty of requests for "daughters...", and
have notified the "winner."

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i have an email press release about a new nationwide lesbian-focused
print magazine debuting in the new year.  it is called _circles_ and used
to be a regional colorado mag.  email me privately and i will send you the
info.  it has subscription information and all that.

-garian

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sorry. that post reminded me of something...
mysetry was my "song" with my ex and first love, who i'm no longer
speaking to. anyway, at the penn state show last year, amy broke a string,
or something, and while the "technical difficulty" was being fixed, emily
held a question and answer session, which went something like this...
e:anyone have any questions?
girl in audience (unfortunately, not me...): yeah!!! the pirate/girl thing
in mystery...what's that all about?
e: (singing) the pirate gets the ship and the girl tonight...well,
*mystery* is just about a f*cked up relationship.

you can bet i was laughing for hours after that one...

meghan

*not quite lovers
and not quite friends
after the thrill is gone*

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>well i have to say that the loiusville show was definately great last
>night, but it may be the most disappointing this touring season.  don't get
>me wrong, the girls were great, great set and everything but a huge thumbs
>down to the louisville crowd who, in my opinion, was rude during nearly
>every song.

hi rob!

this must be standard to the palace ... i was there oct 16 to see fiona
apple and it was, by far, the rudest group of people i've ever seen
gathered together for a common purpose.  possibly because they serve
alcohol right there at the side of the theatre.  alcohol seems to
bring out the worst in people at these shows.  :(

>people talked through most of the songs and made asses of themselves...

definately sounds like the fiona audience.

>i'm sorry for griping about
>this folks and i know some of you will disagree with me, but it's my pet
>peeve and it really pisses me off when i travel hundreds of miles to see
>shows and then have to listen to people who only know galileo, closer to
>fine, and shame on you, talk and scream through the other songs.

don't even apologize ... i drove about 140 miles (from indianapolis) to
see fiona and encountered the same thing.  i understand completely what
you went through.  they were horrible!  abrasive!  argumentative!  the
security people working for the palace were stretched pretty thin.

>i'm sorry for bitching and if you read this far, thanks.

:)  absolutely no problem, whatsoever.

maybe we should send the palace notice of our disappointment regarding
their shows, and send the girls an apology on behalf of all the assholes
in louisville and the surrounding area.

amy, emily ... we love you.  please don't let a group of "louisville
sluggers" ruin your taken on us.  we're nice, really we are!  :)

- rick

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 08:19:23 +1100
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hey everybody,

i think we need to get some igc going here again.  therefore, i (as
mayor of this here town :) am declaring an arbitrary song of the
week.  the song for this week will be "mystery".  people with
thoughts, stories, questions, etc etc about this song, this is a
good time to post them.  in fact, i haven't even sent this message
yet and you guys are talking about it already!  call it thought
transference... :)

now, onto the plane debate.

"dana scully" said:
>a press conference indicates a) members of the media are there and will
>report what transpires, so you posting it violates no privacy; and b)
>amy and emily are there as the indigo girls, performers and subject to
>public scrutiny.
>however, amy and/or emily jogging down a street, buying grapenuts at a
>grocery store, shopping for christmas presents or - yes, even - flying
>in a private jet, are amy and/or emily, human beings - deserving
>privacy.

yes!  agent scully's given us a *perfect* example of the difference
between public and private domain.

amy and emily reading jill's sign at the concert and talking with her
about it in front of an entire concert hall, that's fair game for
reportage.  there's no question about that.

but reporting about a private conversation amy and emily had with
someone (even if that someone is a friend or relative of yours),
that's very, very close to the border of "invasion of privacy".
and posting details about when their private jet will arrive at a
given location is, well, a little irresponsible.  sorry, jill, i
don't mean to come down hard on you.  but the fact is, there are a
*lot* of people on this list...

okay, more guidelines, because this is another huge gray area
thingy -
1. concerts, press conferences, interviews etc - a&e are in
        ig mode, so it's fair game for reportage
2. backstage - a&e are usually still in "ig" mode, so mostly
        (not always) fair game
3. chance encounters and other - borderline.  mostly not fair
        game, very rarely yes

the plane thing comes under (3) above.

okay, i'm out of time because i've got to get to work.  i hope
some of this makes sense...

sherlyn
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yeah, i was out here listening, oh yeah i was out here listening;
oh yeah i am out here listening all the time."    - dar williams

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there's some background on virginia slam at
<http://womensroom.tripod.com/feature/columns/970515virginia.html>, but no
info on the upcoming concert with ig in january.

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shufa nasser <shuffa@yahoo.com> wrote:
>i wish to know what the song 'winthrop'is about....

i'd tell you, but i keep dozing off in the middle. (flame privately if you
must. <g>)

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dana scully <lurker98@hotmail.com> wrote:
>just a thought...don't you think this would be an invasion of the girls'
>privacy? posting it, i mean? sure, your brother's going to tell you all
>about his experience with the girls, that's natural. but...posting those
>details to a listserv is wrong. this is not a flame, just a comment.
>check the iglist faq and i think you'll agree to let the girls have some
>privacy here.:-)

i agree completely.  to me, the plane trip is definitely off-limits, as it is
not at or even anywhere near a public appearance.  i think too much info on
the plane schedule has been posted already.  but i'm hoping sherlyn will make
a ruling soon and put us out of our misery. :-)

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lisa tatonetti <tatonetti.2@osu.edu> wrote:
>i was at the columbus show and neither amy or emily were at all upset
>about jill's airplane sign. they read it out loud to the whole theater and
>then had a fairly lengthy conversation about it. they said jill's sign and
>the coincidence was "cool." i think their reception of the news kinda makes
>this discussion moot.

so, jill's sign said "my stepbrother is flying your jet and he'll tell me what
you wore, how much luggage you had, and what you ate for lunch, and i'll post
it to the indigo girls list on the internet"?

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amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
>she just walked up and asked sulli for the set list very nicely and sulli
>obliged...i told bj the next time we go to a concert, we are bringing
>gifts for sulli!!!  that woman works sooooo hard...she deserves a little
>recognition!  :)

i feel kinda bad for amy's tech... he seems to be doing a great job too, but i
don't even know his name!  so i'd say sulli gets quite a lot of recognition
for a guitar tech!

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procrastination...that's what "mystery" means to me right now...


but, seriously, this has always been one of my favorite songs because of it's ability to somehow express that sometimes there just aren't answers...and sometimes things just don't make sense...a lot of lines are contradictions or questions, "what is love then? is it dictated or chosen?"...is anything "chosen"?...i don't know...the peace that i find in this song comes with it's ability to say "i don't know"...the ability to "meet in the middle of impossibility"...it's beautiful...


im sorry if i am not wonderful at expressing myself...this song means a lot to me because i can find myself and my experiences in it (who can't?)...i don't know why i love, i just do...most of my relationships, or, all of them, have been one sided and none of them have made sense to me...but, i guess sometimes the sense can be found in what doesn't make sense...


my apologies for the ramblings...i needed a break from the tedious task of studying for finals...


peace...


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subject:      re: columbus and indigo dreams...long
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on wed, 3 dec 1997, amy m. wrote:

> in re to meghan, methinks emily *is* an angel.
> and yes, i think emily does get cuter, which isn't to say that amy doesn't
> too. i'm bi-indigo, like that quote that someone posted a while ago
> (forgive me, i've forgotten who you are): "amy is the stuff fantasies are
> made of, emily is the stuff romantics yearn for." how true.

to continue this thread...  emily was radiantly beautiful in
columbus--maybe it was just the lighting, maybe i was having flu-induced
visions of the light at the end of the tunnel, i dunno.  but she sure was
gorgeous-- words fail me (is that possible?!)-- but there i was, always
the amy-person to the hilt, unable to tear my glassy eyes from emily's
visage.  she didn't look so hot in dayton, as anybody who got my pics can
attest to-- she was rather frumpy and lumberjack-ish looking.  really, i'm
not being glib... she didn't look too into the show either.  but monday's
show completely made up for it.  she was so wonderfully fergie-ish (go
grab your strange fire cd and stare at the cover photo until you see the
resemblance... squint a little, it'll come to you), just so so amazing.
like a glowing bride or something.  speaking of which, hey, someone *did*
spot an engagement ring...  no, i'm *not* trying to start gossip.  just
forget i ever mentioned jewelry at all... ring?  what ring?  *i* didn't
see any ring (heh, someone else did).
garsh, i just luuuve em now!  plus that adorable way in which her eyes
light up and reflect little glints of the lights when she laughs... awww.
btw, amy m., *i* was the unidentified listee who made that comment so very
long ago.  :)  wow, you remembered reading that?!  i figured y'all just
patiently read my diatribes (isn't that the best word?!) until i run out
of steam, hoping i'll unsubscribe soon... hee hee.
jill

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hi there fellow ig listees!

i've been listening to all of the discussions about the use of the
term lesbian goddesses to describe amy and emily.  let's face it,
in this world of music and fandome they are most definately
goddesses ... even if you limit that definition to only the field
of music it applies.  apart from that they are beautiful, lovely,
fun people who do nothing but pour out their souls for our benefit.

i don't mind the term because it is not meant to poke fun, make ashamed
of or disrespect them ... it's a term of endearment, something that we
can all relate to because they are lesbian and they are the equivelent
of modern day goddesses.  i consider myself lucky to live in a time when
they're alive and can share in my presence while i share in theirs.  their
music is something very dear to me.  i hold their lot in life higher than
my own and i aspire to reach the levels of emotion displayed in their music.
not a day goes by that i don't reflect, for a moment, on just how lucky i
am to be blessed with their wonderous energy.  i cannot imagine a day
without it in one form or another and i privately thank them each time
i get cold chills from listening to galileo's lyrics.

what a glorious privledge it is for us to have their music.  i offer up a
debt of gratitude, one i could never hope to repay in fair for their's is
of much greater breadth than i am physically or emotionally capable.

i offer thanks to amy and emily.  that's all i have to say.

- rick

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subject:      winthrop, privacy and kiefer...

shufa nasser <shuffa@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >i wish to know what the song 'winthrop'is about....
deb then replied:
> i'd tell you, but i keep dozing off in the middle. (flame privately if you
> must. <g>)

i'd comment but i'm still gasping in disbelief over this one.  but don't worry,
this is not a flame...to each her own.  [hey deb, weren't you at the umbc show
where i *finally* got em to play this song?  well at least one of us was happy
(and awake i guess).]

> so, jill's sign said "my stepbrother is flying your jet and he'll tell me
> what you wore, how much luggage you had, and what you ate for lunch, and i'll
> post it to the indigo girls list on the internet"?

okay, i'm not commenting on this plane thing, but just to verify then...
everything you do, listen to, and purchase that involves the girls has their
notarized "okay" stamped on the back?  there's a lot of stuff out there that a
lot of us do that the girls don't approve of either officially or personally
(like how 'bout the study hall boot or this list for example), but they accept
that it exists.  that's not to say it's okay, just that jill's situation is not
a unique one, and if you're gonna question *it* then you should question these
other things too.

> i feel kinda bad for amy's tech... he seems to be doing a great job too, but
> i don't even know his name!  so i'd say sulli gets quite a lot of recognition
> for a guitar tech!

really there's little if any need for that.  has anyone out there had a special
moment with him?  do share.  i mean he's a great guitar tech as we've heard
given amy's much improved string situation lately, and that's all his job
description says he has to be, but sulli goes way beyond the call of duty.
we've seen again and again that she's genuinely a sweet person and goes out of
her way to make a lot of us fans happy and asks nothing in return.  people post
about this generosity almost weekly, and as soon as that starts happening with
amy's tech (is it brad?) then we will build the appropriate altar and worship
accordingly.  (and yes for any sarcasm-impaired folks out there...i *am*
kidding.  no altars, no worship services.  just good clean fanatacism here.)

marivel

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"aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa...beautiful...aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah."
"does that sound a little muddy to you?"

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anyone know of a tracy chapman mail list?

thanks,
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in a message dated 97-12-03 17:34:14 est, you write:

<< >i was just curious....could you (deb) maybe share little more about this
>"sidebar"?

if i could remember where i heard it, i would have. :-)
  >>
maybe the y100 sonic sessions broadcast?  i just dubbed that for someone, and
i think that's where i heard it recently.  if it's the same one, they
actually didn't say much about it, other than to remark on it.  then amy said
she'd stick with clear and that was about it.  in fact, if you didn't already
know what they were talking about, i'm not sure you'd know  it was emily's
finger nail polish except from context.  am i remembering this interview
right?

peace,

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i'm jealous of all those who went to the concert in columbus!
i drove hours from ashland to see them in dayton...
i thought they were great!  words could not describe...
they were better than when i saw them in philadelphia, pa....so
jill, if you say they were even better in columbus than i really missed
out on a lot!

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melissa,
when quoting the girls it is never rambling!!
all their songs have more meaning then we know...
and listening to them while studying is one of the best things possible!


on wed, 3 dec 1997, melissa wrote:

> procrastination...that's what "mystery" means to me right now...
>
>
> but, seriously, this has always been one of my favorite songs because of it's ability to somehow express that sometimes there just aren't answers...and sometimes things just don't make sense...a lot of lines are contradictions or questions, "what is love then? is it dictated or chosen?"...is anything "chosen"?...i don't know...the peace that i find in this song comes with it's ability to say "i don't know"...the ability to "meet in the middle of impossibility"...it's beautiful...
>
>
> im sorry if i am not wonderful at expressing myself...this song means a lot to me because i can find myself and my experiences in it (who can't?)...i don't know why i love, i just do...most of my relationships, or, all of them, have been one sided and none of them have made sense to me...but, i guess sometimes the sense can be found in what doesn't make sense...
>
>
> my apologies for the ramblings...i needed a break from the tedious task of studying for finals...
>
>
> peace...
>
>
> melissa
>
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>
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>
> out of ten, it'll run back home."
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my two cents - i don't think jill was ever planning to post what amy and emily
were saying on the plane (stepbrothers translation of course) - if they slept
on the plane with their mouths open and drooling on their chins - if they snore
- what they ate - how they chew their food (mouth opened or closed) - if they
cursed a lot - if anyone was with them - who it was - what they were wearing -
if they were naked - if barney came along (or maybe speed racer)- was agent
scully or moulder with them for any of the ride - did they parachute out - if
one of them puked from airsickness - what they read - do they wear glasses or
contacts - did they discuss politics - are they democrats - how southern are
they really (ie - did they request grits or coke and peanuts on the plane) -
did they pray before taking off - did they call anyone from the plane - who did
they charge the call too - i could go on forever but you get the picture.

jill is excited - as i would be and all the rest of us if we would admit it -
about her stepbrother flying the members of the group she most admires.  it
would be a high point for me too. ok - so she told the list when and where the
plane is taking off - but if thats the only sin committed folks then we're all
ok.

it's been a rough day - i'm about to be unemployed at the worst time of the
year to look for a job and no leads in sight - chalk my attitude on this one up
to that if you want too.  i just needed to vent.

just wanted to get my two cents in before we ditched this thread for good.

thanks for the ruling sherlyn - i think everything is much clearer now.

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okay list...
   this is getting ridiculous...jill was being facetious
about the whole "lesbian goddess" thing.  and i still like
thinking of baigl as meaning "beautiful amy is a goddess
lesbian".  because she is, ya know.  amy's guitar tech is
chad.  chad.  never talked to him.  maybe i will, though,
he's kinda cute.  i'm excited because i was listening to
some interview with a and e from a long time ago where they
say e. annie proulx is one of their favorite authors.  e.
annie proulx is my favorite author! and my favorite colors
are blue or green, depending on the day.  amy and i were
obviously meant for each other.  i'll shut up now, but i
hope everyone's day was less lonesome and awful than mine.
                        stephanie
                <who is having a blue day>

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deb wrote:

<<heather solimini <sweetjane@geocities.com> wrote:
>> emily talked about her blue nail polish on one of the boots i have... i
think
>> it was on a radio show.  it was an amusing sidebar, as i recall... amy said
>> she'll have to stick with clear. :-)

>i was just curious....could you (deb) maybe share little more about this
>"sidebar"?

if i could remember where i heard it, i would have. :-)>>

okay, i can solve this problem.  it's from the y100 sonic session, taped on
4/18/97 in philadelphia, & aired on 5/4/97.

the nail polish conversation goes like this:
a: emily is starting a new trend for, for the indigo girls.
e: fingernail polish. [audience laughter]
a: i'm gonna go with the nice clear tone.  [audience laughter]  it's
beautiful though.
e: it's chipped though. [audience laughter] i have to fix it.
a:  femme girls...we can do it, i promise!

so, there you go! :)

andi

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okay, okay, enough now!  yes, i'm being loud, i'm exasperated.  argh!
before there's any more flames, threads, or long tortured discussions, i
will explain my sorry a** so that the odd little workings of my quirky
vapid mind are abundantly clear, okay?  sheesh...!!!
this is the last you will hear from me about these contraversies (yaay!)..

"lesbian goddesses":
okay, now, tell me *somebody* out there remembers this from, oh, a few
months ago...  i was all, "what does baigl mean?: big-a** indigo girl
lover?  boy i am getting loopy?  beautiful amy is the goddess lesbian?..."
and a bunch of y'all wrote to say that the "goddess lesbian" was your
pick o' the lot.  ha ha ho ho and hee hee, it was all fun and good.  no
discrimination, no alienation, no singling out, no breach of privacy
intended.  just a funny little title.  and i pull it outta my dusty ol'
mind a while later and throw it around one of my posts just to be silly
and glib and look what happens?!  people are actively discussing it,
spending precious time mulling over the dumb little things that i spew
forth.  i was purposely being over-the-top, okay guys?  and no, i don't
look at the girls and see only their sexuality, as someone surmised.  and
no, it's not the same as people jeering, "hey, it's jill, that lesbian,"
as pooh figured, and no, i don't wanna prove myself like this but i want
y'all to stop and talk about nice things.  happy thougts.  please?  i'm
sorry if i offended anyone in my obnoxious purple prose.

next item on the agenda:
the notorious airplane et. all:
public notice:  i *will not*, i repeat, will not post the specifics about
the flight.  too many people have got their knickers in a knot *already*
and i haven't even done it yet, so, to save the sanity and peace of this
cyber-community, i will keep all the wonderful ig anecdotes a family
secret.  okay, i guess i'll tell carol, but she's practically my wife and
all, and i'd tell her anyways.
*if* there is a prevailing, oh, i dunno,
theme/undercurrent/motif/story/whatnot in regards to the trip, i *will*
post that.  it will be nothing that will undermine the girls' privacy in
any way whatsoever.  really, guys (and i'm speaking especially to the
bigwigs), i *do* have a brain, much as i don't like to admit it, and i
*do* think before doing things.  and i will be thinking long and hard
about the ramifications and the ethics of anything i would post about it.
it's easy to forget just *how* big this list really is, and after hearing
all the debate on this, i was quickly reminded of just how far and
wide-reaching all of our posts are.  i am keeping this in the back of my
mind, so that i will be extra-careful before i do anything.  it will be
okay, it really will.  the list police can clock off duty now.
any comments/questions/concerns/flames/hate mail/love letters?  send
them all to me *privately*.  i don't care if you flame; to quote the
inimitable jane pratt, "i eat your hate like love."
jill

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reply-to:     anne haines <ahaines@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
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so here's my thought on this whole thing. if you have a private, personal
conversation with a or e (or any public figure for that matter) and you're
thinking about how much you'd like to tell all your buddies on the
internet about it, maybe you could *ask* a or e or whatever public figure
if they think it would be cool. "hey, thanks for the chat. do you mind if
i post about it on an internet mailing list that reaches a couple thousand
people?"

if it seems like it would be weird or awkward to ask, then i think that
means it would be weird and awkward (as far as ms./mr. public figure is
concerned anyway) to post about it. (i mean, if you think asking them will
freak them out, then posting would probably freak them out double.)  and
if you really think it's a great idea to post about it on the list, then
there's no reason you should feel weird about asking. and if
amyemilypublicfigure says "sure, yeah, that's cool if you post it!" then
-- well, no question it's cool to post it, and tell us they said so!

sure, there's gray areas at times. that's, like, life or something. but if
you try to think of publicfigureperson as a *human being* with feelings
and stuff, and think about whether you'd want to ask them if it was ok to
tell a few thousand people what color underwear they were buying when you
ran into them at k-mart, then maybe it'll be a bit easier to sort out the
gray areas.

-anne in indiana
who's obviously procrastinating about finishing an assignment again ;-)

"we need new words/ for what this is, this hunger entering our/ loneliness
  like birds, stunning our eyes into rays/ of hope. we need the flutter that
  can save/ us, something that will swirl across the face/ of what we have
          become and bring us grace."  --lucille clifton, "blake"
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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 11:08:52 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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subject:      aussies vote for soy, jill's post
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hey again folks,

first, a note for australian listmembers - vote for "shame on
you" in triple j's hottest 100!  and get all your friends to vote
too. :)  go to http://www.abc.net.au/triplej and follow the links
from there.  soy isn't explicitly listed among the songs you can
vote for (surprise surprise), but you can vote for it using the
"other" box at the bottom of the form.  let's see if we can make
something happen here.  who knows, you may even win a trip to
denmark. :)

jill said:
> it's easy to forget just *how* big this list really is, and after hearing
> all the debate on this, i was quickly reminded of just how far and
> wide-reaching all of our posts are.  i am keeping this in the back of my
> mind, so that i will be extra-careful before i do anything.  it will be

this is a very good point.  as of about ten minutes ago, there are
889 people on this list.  more than 150 inactive addresses were
weeded out in the first wave of subscription confirmations, but
the numbers are steadily building up again.  keep this in mind
when posting to the list.  we're all kinds of people, from all
over the world.  and there are a *lot* of us.

another good guideline is that you should never post anything to
the list that you wouldn't want amy or emily to read.  because
they *are* aware of this list, and it's very likely that there
are people connected with them subscribed here (and no, i
wouldn't know if they were)...

> okay, it really will.  the list police can clock off duty now.

okay, i assume you're referring primarily to me here.  do you
think i do this for fun?  most assuredly not.  as i see it, it's
all part of my job as list owner, the responsibility i accepted
last june.  but if i never had to post another "ruling" or set
of guidelines again, i'd be very happy.

not that i'm not happy anyway, but you know what i mean. :)
sherlyn
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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 16:58:21 pst
reply-to:     mel south <melsouth1@hotmail.com>
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deb <indigo@mindspring.com> wrote:
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i feel kinda bad for amy's tech... he seems to be doing a great job too,
but i
don't even know his name!  so i'd say sulli gets quite a lot of
recognition
for a guitar tech!
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**this is not a flame**this is not a flame**

when amy's guitar tech (mr. agt) starts going out of his way to hand out
picks and set lists to fans, and starts willingly and pleasantly talking
to fans both before and after show - when he only has a few precious
moments, of an incredibly tough schedule, to relax or whatever... then i
have a feeling that we'll soon start talking about mr. agt and what a
great guy he is (assuming he is), etc.

it's hard to get interested in someone who assumes an aura of anonymity
- unless of course they happen to look a certain way (incredibly
attractive or whatever).

peace...

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 08:03:41 -0400
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deb here...temporarily surfacing from the land of the grieving,
to chime in with the guitar tech thing.
marivel is right, sulli isn't popular because she is emily's guitar tech,
but because she's...

>genuinely a sweet person and goes out of her way
>to make a lot of us fans happy and asks nothing in return.

marivel did however, neglect to add, that she has a smile to die for  :)
marivel.................how could you forget that?
not to mention those twinkling eyes, and the way her........
oh.....better abandon this line of thought, and get back to grieving!  ;)

that kiss on my head is officially on my holiday wish list!!!

deb de canada

ps: i am just not interested in kiefer's real name.

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 20:15:47 est
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soooo....my cable company strikes again...i tried to order lilith fair on ppv
the first time it was on and they screwed it up...so i  just tried to get it
again and they did it to me again...it's not on! can somebody please dub a
copy for me...i'll give you blanks, $, or whatever it takes...please help me!
i'm down on my knees!

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 19:32:40 -0500
reply-to:     leigh ann horn <junebug@aeneas.net>
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what a nifty thing i just discovered!  the rest of y'all may already know
this, but it's new to me.

anyway, just a minute ago i was sittin' here at the computer and my
husband was watching tv in the next room when i heard the name "rick
marotta".  so of course, i went in there to see what it was, and what do i
see on my tv  screen but a guy who looks just like our jerry.  the show was
"the pet shop" on the animal planet network.  this show, for those of you
who may not know, is hosted by a comedian named andy kindler and it's
really just him interviewing different celebrity guests and their pets.
but the thing is,
they have their own little backup band, and mr. rick marotta is the drummer!
i don't have any real proof that this is his brother or anything, but if
you've
seen this man on the show, you'd have to agree that they look exactly alike.
same build, same hair, same face shape, same facial hair, same everything!
only i don't think he was wearing a skirt :)
looked like he could maybe even be a twin?  anybody know about this?

thought y'all might be interested.  if you haven't seen it, check it out.
and if this has already been *discovered* and discussed to death or
anything, sorry for reiterating.  i was unsubscribed for a while.

happy wednesday to all,

leigh ann

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 19:36:05 -0500
reply-to:     leigh ann horn <junebug@aeneas.net>
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subject:      to elizabeth richards......
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hey, sorry for the bw everyone-
elizabeth, could you email me privately?  i was trying to send you
a message but had problems with your addy.

thanks,
leigh ann

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 20:28:04 -0500
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from:         carrie mowbray <indigopony@aol.com>
subject:      re: lesbians and more!

hmm...what about emily?  imo, emily is also a beautiful person.  and
i may call amy and emily "goddesses" when i'm talking about them
with friends, but i know *i'd* feel a little uncomfortable (okay, a little
flattered, too) knowing that i was being discussed as a "lesbian goddess"
by thousands of people in an internet forum.  just my $.02; not intended
as a flame. =)

peace, love, and butter biscuits,
ponygirl

> the way i always took jill's use of this phrase was this way:
>  amy is beautiful.  by beautiful i mean that all aspects of her (her music,
>  her appearance, her sense of humor, her activism, etc.) put together make
a
>  beautiful human being.  so that's the beautiful part.

>  imo, she is, like
>  ellen and melissa etheridge, etc., a lesbian icon.  someone we can admire,

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 20:42:02 est
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okay......a bunch of you asked me for my umbc pics a while back but i hadn't
gotten them up yet......now i have a few scanned, but of course, i have
misplaced who you are. please let me know if you're still interested, and i'll
e- them out.
thanks, abby

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 20:43:23 est
reply-to:     bonnemot <bonnemot@aol.com>
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in a message dated 97-12-03 18:43:52 est, foxmuldr@indy.net writes:

<< amy, emily ... we love you.  please don't let a group of "louisville
sluggers" ruin your taken on us.  we're nice, really we are!  :) >>

oh please, this is a bit much!  i'm a completely grown up, professional woman
(louisville native i might add), and i had a blast last night at the show.  i
was not wasted, but i certainly did dance my ass off (well, i tried anyway)
and i also sang along, as did virtually everybody in the palace.  it was my
first ig show, and the crowd's enthusiasm was part of the charm of it to me.
it felt kind of like camp or something.  and there was a noticeable quietness
during the serious songs, even though many people continued standing.  i did
hear a few people talking, but as a mature woman, i said, hey, let it go.
luckily, it did not ruin my fun in any way.  the way i look at it is,
although i've noticed many of you listers commenting heatedly on the issue of
crowd activitiy during the shows, it really isn't one of the more important
issues in my life.  it was a rock concert for god's sake.

happy in louisville, and wishing...well never mind

bonnie

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 20:49:15 est
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in a message dated 97-12-03 18:59:01 est, 103161.3515@compuserve.com writes:

<< it really bothers me that a lot of the fans in this generation
seem to lack common manners such as respect, listening when other people
singing, etc.  it's as if they are the only souls in the theater
or something.  >>

way to hit the nail on the head about the psyche of young women, joan!  i
definitely remember being very ego-centric at that age, and i'm sure those
girls were just so crazy with love for the girls, that they couldn't have
cared less who they pissed off at the show!  the crowd around me was a lot
like your crowd, and i wasn't bothered by it in the least.  i remember seeing
shows in the 70's where i could hardly see or hear the performers for the
crowd.  now that was disturbing!

peace and love now,

bon

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 21:01:14 -0500
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hello: mark and gina here. we are both indigo girl fans and we would
love to see them but they are scheduled to play to far from our home.
could you please tell us if they are ever going to be in tn. we live
very close to knoxville or johnson city. let us know if they are going
to be in the area or somewhere close this year or next please. thank
you  very much.

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 22:14:49 -0500
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        i just wanted to make a comment.i have held my peace for a while now but
it is getting to the point that i am afraid to say anything to this
list.it is very easy to misunderstand something that is said,much less
typed.
        we have only been a part of this list for about a month now and i think
it wonderful that i have found so many other people who enjoy emily and
amys music.i do how ever think that sometimes we need to think before we
type,wether it be to those who have been flamed or those who have done the
flaming.
        i think we should keep in mind  that the girls could be a part of this
list.only a few of us have meet each other and anything said should be
only things we would want them to hear.
        i just don't think that anyones feeling need to be hurt.we are not always
going to agree with each other. i just think that we could be kinder to
each other.
        please do not take this as a flame and please do not flame me.i come in
peace.

j&t   this is t not j.i can not speak for him but i do love him.

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 22:11:09 -0500
reply-to:     robert arkin <rdarkin@mindspring.com>
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i was at the atlanta concert, the 25th and they played "power of two" it
seems like everyone forgot.  update your setlists. it was before romeo and
juliet.  did everyone blank out or something?
                                chelsea

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 22:10:13 -0500
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>
>i feel kinda bad for amy's tech... he seems to be doing a great job too, but i
>don't even know his name!  so i'd say sulli gets quite a lot of recognition
>for a guitar tech!
>

isn't his name kiefer?

ha ha, just joking to all the newbies who are tempted to post "what?!
kiefer sutherland?  is he actually amy's guitar tech!? i thought he looked
like him! wow!?"

anyway, i still haven't heard what the ppv was like!  could someone please
let us know what it was all about?!
thanks
lori

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 22:28:05 -0500
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hey you guys here's an interesting story:

last year in chorus we had a substitute and guess who it was? gerard
mchugh!!!!! isn't that completely crazy.  when he walked in he looked
really familiar bc i had seen him on stage at the ig concert in atlanta. so
he writes on the board "mr. mchugh" and me and 2 of my friends are like why
is that name familiar..  finally we realize and one of my friends ask him,
"this is a strange question, but did you play with the indigo girls on 1200
curfews? " he's like "yes, i wrote thin line" me and my friends went crazy.
then he was like, "do you guys want me to play it for you" my friends and i
were so excited so he played thin line and everyone who knew the song sang
the girls parts with him.  it was amazing.  then he played this "swamp
song"(does anyone know what i'm talking about)? it was so so awesome.
today at caribou the people there were playing 1200 curfews and me and my
friends were like remember mr. mchugh? anyone else had any other weird
experiences? oh yeah, he's subed like 2 other times since then...
                                chelsea

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 13:56:01 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

for a change of pace... the number of answers tallied in the ig
fan survey hit 300 earlier this week.  it's still going strong -
i've been going pretty fast but i've still got more than 150
to add in.  i'm catching up though....

anyway, this is a selection of some of the results.  the full
set can be found at http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/igsurvey.
you can also fill out the survey at the same address, or drop
me a note and i'll send you the email version.

cheers,
sherlyn

indigo girls fan survey version iv - results
============================================
tallied to date: 300
note that not everyone answered each question.  my comments
are in square brackets.

part one: igc
-------------
q8. favourite albums:
        1. 1200 curfews (169)
        2. rites of passage (157)
        3. swamp ophelia (123)
        4. shaming of the sun (118)
        5. indigo girls (103)
        6. nomads*indians*saints (95)
        7. strange fire (73)

q9. top 10 favourite songs:
        1. ghost (124)
        2. closer to fine (89)
        3. galileo (78)
        4. least complicated (73)
        5. shame on you (64)
        6. mystery, watershed (62)
        8. joking, love's recovery, shed your skin (55)
["ghost" is ahead by a mile, as always.  but look - seven
emily songs verses three amy songs!  a much more respectable
balance than some others we've had in the past... :) ]

q10. top 10 favourite amy songs:
        1. shame on you (78)
        2. don't give that girl a gun (76)
        3. shed your skin (72)
        4. fugitive (69)
        5. kid fears (68)
        6. blood and fire, chickenman (66)
        8. joking (63)
        9. land of canaan (62)
        10. world falls (58)
[three sots songs at the top!]

q11. top 10 favourite emily songs:
        1. ghost (147)
        2. least complicated (84)
        3. closer to fine (81)
        4. mystery (78)
        5. galileo (73)
        6. love's recovery (72)
        7. power of two (69)
        8. watershed (63)
        9. get out the map (62)
        10. love will come to you (61)
[surprise, surprise, "ghost" is on top again, hehe.]

q12. top 5 least favourite songs:
        1. airplane (67)
        2. 1 2 3 (35)
        3. chickenman (26)
        4. history of us (24)
        5. caramia, cut it out (19)

part two: nigc
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q1. sex:
        * male - 46
        * female - 242

q2. age:
        * under 18 - 37
        * 18 to 21 - 94
        * 22 to 25 - 52
        * 26 to 30 - 45
        * 31 to 40 - 55
        * 41 to 50 - 5
        * over 50 - 2

q3. sexual orientation:
        * gay - 114
        * bisexual - 34
        * straight - 133

q8. top 10 other favourite musical artists/bands:
        1. melissa etheridge (73)
        2. ani difranco (64)
        3. sarah mclachlan (61)
        4. dar williams (45)
        5. michelle malone (43)
        6. tori amos (41)
        7. rem (39)
        8. tracy chapman, shawn colvin (33)
        10. k.d. lang (26)
[melissa etheridge in front, as always.  i should just call this
the "ghost and melissa etheridge" survey and have done! :) ]

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 14:32:08 aes
reply-to:     halbans@dca.gov.au
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from:         helen albans <halbans@dca.gov.au>
subject:      when i was buying my tickets...
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i meant to tell this little amusing story about the conversation i had with
the guy who sold me my canberra tickets.

he said, "oh i just got why they're called the indigo girls!!"

"why?" asked i.

"because indigo is the colour of the third eye!"

"is it??"  first i'd heard.

"well," i said rather smugly, "the official story from one of the girls
says something like they pulled the word out of the dictionary, thought it
sounded cool and that was that."

he sounded a little deflated. nice to know he was interested. i hope i
didn't make him feel silly.....

and i think i've created a monster or two as well. my 15 yo sister and 18
yo brother are desperately excited about seeing 'the girls' as they refer
to them all the time now and my brother (who was never as interested until
he heard sots) said, 'i just have all the fantasies about getting up on
stage with them..."  so i told him about what happened all across america
on the recent tour and how people made signs and sometimes got up with
them. the poor boy nearly expired with shock and has begged me to help him
make big elaborate signs now....and swears he won't feel the night is
complete without the blessing of being on stage with the girls.....what
have i done????? he's the kind of kid who has that much gumption and a
total lack of shame. he'd do anything!!!!

oh dear...but wouldn't it be exciting if...??? :-)

helen

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 22:41:51 -0500
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from:         j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject:      re: louisville down side

in a message dated 97-12-03 10:40:10 est, rob hite writes:

<< people talked through most of the songs and made asses
of themselves when they jumped on stage at the end of the show to hug amy
and emily. >>

i dont think so,  rob.  carrie didnt jump onstage to grab them.  theyw ere
invited on to sing, and were hugged afterward, just like me.  i promise you,
i wouldnt have had the guts to "grab" them without their expres permission -
amy came up and "grabbed" me - if any "grabbing" was going on. and i'm sure
in my own mind - knowing carrie like i do - that she feels the exact same
way.  after all, who wants to get punched by amy for getting fresh?  i'm
pretty sure in my own mind, she's probably got a helluva right hook.

i have no complaints with the rest of your complaints - sorry you had such a
bad experience - but don't bust up on carrie when she aint done nothin wrong.

peace!

~~tigger

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from:         j tigger kickliter <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
subject:      re: lou-uh-vuhl...er...louisville show!
x-to:         hiterj@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu

in a message dated 97-12-03 12:59:03 est, you write:

<< ya know people, it's great to sing during the songs that should be sung.
galileo, least comp. shame on you, land of canaan, etc.  but last night
the girls behind us (it wasn't you) scream sang ghost and virginia woolf
among others.  there's a time for everything, y'all.  that's what we have
to remember.  a time to sing and a time to listen. it is too bad that the
people around you had to listen to your singing<italic>.</italic> be
considerate of a&e and your fellow fans.  i paid $30 to hear amy and
emily sing, not the 15 year olds behind me!! >>

also juding from my experience at valdosta when the entire crowd sang along
for every song except winthrop....... it made the whole thing a much better
experience for me and my friends.
quite honestly, i can't see why you're taking *your* personal bad experience
out on everyone else who was there.  let them have their fun.  they enjoyed
it, and i'm sure they're sorry you didn't, buit there's no reason to shoot
them down.

peace, harmony, and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
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i see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes,
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subject:      re: ig plane trip preface...cross yer fingers, guys...

in a message dated 97-12-03 09:32:28 est, you write:

<< i do not want to get a flame war going here, but i feel strongly about
this. it may seem harmless, one story at a time, but i would imagine it
tends to add up and become quite a burden for them.
  >>

i agree totally with this post!  what if one of the girls throws up or is
very nervous?  is that information we should have?  a private plane should be
just that - private.  if they give and impromptu concert and play some new
song, by all means let us know, but keep the personal stuff out of it.

pam

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reply-to:     rob hite <hiterj@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
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from:         rob hite <hiterj@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu>
subject:      re: lou-uh-vuhl...er...louisville show!
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>quite honestly, i can't see why you're taking *your* personal bad experience
>out on everyone else who was there.  let them have their fun.  they enjoyed
>it, and i'm sure they're sorry you didn't, buit there's no reason to shoot
>them down.

ok, here's the thing.  it's not my personal bad experience.  it's the bad
experience of every single person who e-mailed me back and agreed with me,
who were just as pissed as i was.  see, i'm not trying to knock anyone that
has a good time at an ig show, i'm just saying that there is a certain
respect that you should have for amy and emily as well as the people around
you when you go to a concert.  i have a great time at ig concerts; i sing
in the sing alongs, everyone should.  but i'll tell you right now that i
don't and will never sing ghost so that the people sitting in the next
section can hear me.  that's not fun, that's rude. you see i realize after
12 shows that when amy puts her finger to her mouth to motion for the crowd
to shut up that something ain't right!  the ultimate complement that we can
give amy and emily when they sing a song like virginia woolf is complete
silence for the tender third verse!  that verse demands silence, not a
bunch of screaming and talking.  this is proven in the numerous and
countless times that we all have heard amy and emily say "thanks for
listening" to the crowd.  that's what they appreciate. listen to 1200
curfews. do you hear how respectful the crowd is in the third verse of
language or the kiss?  that's how every audience should act:  with the same
consideration and respect for what amy and emily are doing on stage.

for what's it's worth,
rob

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 22:56:47 -0500
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from:         barb & twink <bf2brland@sprintmail.com>
subject:      re: misunderstandings
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t. wrote:
>
> it is getting to the point that i am afraid to say anything to this
> list.it is very easy to misunderstand something that is said,much less
> typed.

        yes, i think you are voicing what a lot of us feel... it is easy to
misunderstand or misinterpret what someone is posting to the list.  and,
personally, i try to "hold my posts" for that very reason... flames,
arguments, etc.  and i really don't think we should be "afraid" to post
something.  i'm referring to the allowed indigo content, as well as
other info that we feel might be of interest to the whole group... or at
least some of them.  barb (my barb) posted about xena and, although not
everyone would find that interesting, there are some who do.  erroneous
stuff, like the jokes or other cute things that take a lot of bandwidth
are probably better left to our own friends or friends we have on the
list that we know like such things.  we often receive cool & interesting
emails like this from don richards... he sends them to us... not the
list. whoever it was who said we should post a short note that we have
such things and let those who are interested contact us directly. (we do
need to be considerate to those who get the digests... when we can be.)

>         we have only been a part of this list for about a month now

        i've been on the list longer... and yet, this is the first time that
someone voiced what i'd been trying to put into words myself.


> we are not always going to agree with each other.

        yes, and i don't think disagreeing is the issue... it's when someone
needlessly posts a flame when they, personally, have a problem with
something.  then someone posts that they do agree with the first
person... then someone else posts that they see it differently still...
and before you know it we've got sherlyn having to jump in the middle
and call a time-out... or a "take it to private email" plea.  i admit
that i don't always agree with everyone about everything either... but i
tend to try not to flame someone just for having a different opinion.

> please do not take this as a flame and please do not flame me.i come in
> peace.

        you do come in peace... and i have to say that i am happy you brought
the subject up.  and i think you expressed your feelings wonderfully.
i, for one, appreciate it.

        here's to hoping that after reading "t"s post... this might help
cut-down on the flames... something i'm sure those managing the list (hi
sherlyn) will appreciate as well.  just some stuff to think about... and
feel free to ignore it if you want.

thanks for reading...
twink! (who considers this the most serious post she has ever made)

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 19:35:06 est
reply-to:     bethbirk@juno.com
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from:         beth birkholz <bethbirk@juno.com>
subject:      cd 101--yikes!!!

hi y'all...
um, if you already emailed me about the cd 101 show, then i can trade or
whatever with you, but if you haven't yet then i probably won't get to
any more!!! if somebody who already emailed me wants to branch, that
would be great...lots of y'all want this, i know.
i will get back to everyone who wrote me, but it might take me a little
while--just thought i'd let you know!
thanks! see y'all later.
peace,
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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 23:24:09 -0400
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o.k. i've been telling those of you that are sending me your covers,
"send them on 90 minute tapes...." scratch that...you'd better send them
on 110 minute tapes instead (except you, sarah p.!!! i know you already
sent yours out...i'll take care of yours..) cuz we've got like 25 people
on it now....i fear that there may not be enough room on a 90 minute
cassette...got it?!  thanks!  i hope you all get this in time!
get ready folks, this is gonna be the best da**ned tape yet...we're
revved and ready do the girls proud!

thanks-
bethany ;)

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 23:28:10 -0500
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from:         indigo girls rule <klrosenb@wittenberg.edu>
subject:      please help!!!!  lilith on vh1!!!
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hey!  when is that going to be on again????????  i am totally blanking and
i want to record it!  i am not talking about the ppv special, i am talking
about the vh1 lilith fair thing!  i thought i saw a post that they were
going to reshow it!  when????????!!!  thanks soooooo much!
:-) karen

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sherlyn koo wrote:

> q2. age:
>         * under 18 - 37
>         * 18 to 21 - 94
>         * 22 to 25 - 52
>         * 26 to 30 - 45
>         * 31 to 40 - 55
>         * 41 to 50 - 5
>         * over 50 - 2

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  - ok, i have to know, .... who's the other over 50???? :)
come out, come out, whoever you are :)

                        dr
-- it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide. -- mad magazine
in the early 50's.

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 00:09:25 -0500
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from:         michelle reeves <mreeves74@aol.com>
subject:      broadcasts vol 5/ig starter kit

just thot i'd post that i found a new cd today with ig on it. it is a benefit
cd called broadcasts vol 5 and is from performances on our local radio
station, 107.1 kgsr. the song sang by the girls is "shame on you" and it is a
double cd with other artists such as: suzanne vega, asylum stree spankers,
abra moore, trish murphy, 8 1/2 souvenirs (very big here), matthew sweet, ana
egge, and laurie freelove (a funky little chick with a k'ass voice). there
are 39 songs total on this cd by those and many many other artists. i
purchased it at borders for $10.71. just thot i'd pass on the info.

oh and of course i bought it!!

i looked for the ig starter kit at hastings today and the
looker-upper-on-the-computer couldnt find it and never heard of it, and said
hmmmm, it's not even in the computer. does anyone know anymore about this,
because i would like to buy it. thanks.

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 00:22:45 -0500
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subject:      :)  thanks--ig's on lilith
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thanks to everyone who e-mailed me the info on the lilith vh1 thing.  i am
watching now, some great shots of amy!  and our girls rock, they were the
ones who "changed" lilith and united the artists!  go a and e!

on another note, i just bought 2 (female) lizards...what did i name them?!
amy and emily, or course!  they're already getting used to my constant
playing of ig (goddess music)!

and i have one quick question, (while i'm at it...), okay, here's the
thing, i have a very special friend who i need to get a solstice (yes!)
gift for.  she loves the ig's and other womyn's music, but she has all of
the cd's and tapes she could possibly want.  does anyone know of any books
i could get her dealing with the subject??  thanks a lot!

:-) karen

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 00:38:03 -0500
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subject:      set lists for 11/25, 11/26 and 11/29

to help clear up the confusion, here are the set lists for the two atlanta
shows and the hob orlando show...

11/25/97
fox theater, atlanta, ga
three hits, least complicated, southland in the springtime (w/sheila doyle),
shame on you (w/michelle malone), thin line (w/gerard mchugh), get out the
map, don't give that girl a gun (w/michael lorant), let it be me, shed your
skin, can't find my way home (w/caroline aiken), tried to be true (w/michelle
malone), power of two (w/david ryan harris), romeo & juliet, leeds, scooter
boys, galileo, wild horses (w/michelle malone), chickenman, closer to fine

11/26/97
fox theater, atlanta, ga
tangled up in blue, shame on you, it's alright, land of canaan, ghost, thin
line (w/gerard mchugh), get out the map, don't give that girl a gun, least
complicated, shed your skin, can't find my way home (w/caroline aiken),
scooter boys, hey kind friend, bury my heart at wounded knee (w/simone
simonton), chickenman, galileo, southland in the springtime, acadian
driftwood (w/danielle howle & the tantrums), closer to fine

11/29/97
house of blues, orlando, fl
least complicated, three hits, get out the map, ??forgiveness/new amy song,
tried to be true, everything in it's own time, shame on you, it's alright,
reunion, power of two, cut it out w/down by the river soc, leeds, chickenman,
hammer and a nail, shed your skin, galileo, scooter boys, acadian driftwood
(w/danielle howle & the tantrums), closer to fine

for those waiting for the transcription of the book discussion - i'm sorry
because it's taking a bit longer than i thought it would.  hopefully soon =)
please have patience!

and for all who have sent me tapes for dubbing, i'm trying hard to get them
all done.    again, have patience with me.

=)
lisa

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 00:46:42 -0500
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i was wondering if anyone has a copy of the ppv special that they would be
willing to make a copy of for me. i have about 11 different bootlegs i
would be willing to trade. some are concerts and some are radio shows with
interviews. if anyone could do this i would really appreciate it. i was
away for thanksgiving when it was on and did not get to see it or tape it.
you can reach me at:

cch211@is8.nyu.edu  (address all lowercase)

thanks a lot,
chloe

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 21:41:18 -0800
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subject:      not dead (yet)
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hello fortunate ones~

        despite persistent rumors of my demise, i am fine and doing well in
houston, tejas.

at 10:28 pm 12/3/97, chelsea wrote about her substitute teacher, gerard mchugh:
        "then he played this "swamp song"(does anyone know what i'm talking
about)? it was so so awesome."

        karen also posted yesterday that the columbus set included "arcadian
driftwood".  i've never heard of it and it sounds like it might be a swamp
song.  can anyone shed  light on "arcadian driftwood" and who might have
written it?

        also, now that i'm back on line after a 3 month hiatus, i want to
tackle a new project - "indigo girl trivial pursuit/jeopardy" for the list.
i am not sure logistically how to set it up yet and would appreciate any
suggestions.
        however, i envision an offering of categories, like: politics,
musicians, religion, musical instruments, geography, decatur, literature,
songwriters, fashion, lyrics, foreign interests, ig list, environment, the
band, food, grab bag, etc..
        but i'll need y'alls help for additional categories and fodder for
the questions.  so please email me privately if you have any ideas.

sample questions:

catergory
politics - of amy and emily, most likely to run for political office?
musicians - he's a substitute chorus teacher and wrote "thin line"?
religion - her dad is a methodist minister in athens, ga?
musical instruments - amy has opened "dead man's hill" soloing on this
instrument?
geography - ig's played the glastonbury festival in this country?
decatur - musical tavern run by eddie owens?
literature - she wrote a diary, excerted in "a moment's liberty"
songwriters - "alpha dog" wrote all of the songs on the new mongrels album
that included            performances by amy, emily, gerard mchugh, cooper
seay, and michael lorant,             among others?
fashion - she wears the fashionable red shoes (no, not dorothy)?
lyrics - the distance "between pleasin' yourself or pleasin' somebody else"?
foreign interests - where the zapatistas are fighting for their indigenous
rights?
ig list - who is this ma binky anyway?
environment - environmental organization formed by amy and emily?
the band - amy's guitar tech?
food - this term describes a diet devoid of all animals or animal byproducts?
grab bag - there'll be cider on the roadside up near this southland city?

        so what do ya'll think?  let me know~

the poultry dude :)

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 02:10:20 est
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to the iglistee that asked me about making a form to list the listees in or
around texas, please email me privately. thanks.

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 02:13:50 -0400
reply-to:     rhcp@alpha.wcoil.com
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yeah...i just havta say that i've been reading all of these
arguments/discussions (if i don't add the "discussion" thing i'll surely
be told that these aren't arguments...just "friendly discussions.") and
have been silent...just hitting delete and movin' on...i'm not gonna
comment on any specifics because i don't wanna wake up to 25 e-mails
directed at me!
all i wanna say is that i joined this list because i thought it would be
a positive thing...somewhere that we could all share stories (but make
sure they follow the rules! can't forget that!) and such...i didn't
think that an indigo girls list could actually create such disagreement.
i actually find it hard to believe...
one thing that i've noticed is that there is waaay too much intimidation
goin' on...a few people on this list find it necessary to correct every
one and everything that happens...(i'm not talkin' about sherlyn...
that's her job...) i'm referring to members who feel that it's their
domain and/or responsiblity to post only when somethin' ain't right.
i've gotten private e-mails from people that will say.."oh, i don't know
about that..." or "you'd better look that one up.." or "if they covered
that tune, i'd like ta' hear it!"  but i rarely see positive posts from
them directed toward the entire list.  i'm thinking ..."o.k. i have
never claimed know everything there is to know about the indigo girls,
nor do i aspire to..."  i guess i should have asked if that was a
requirement before i signed on.  i love em, (and have spent waaay too
much money seeing them!), but when one starts taking false info. about
the meaning of a tune, or what songs they have/haven't covered
personally, that's gettin' a little carried away.
i'm just getting really bad, unfriendly vibes from certain folks on the
list and really don't know how much longer i'll be here...it's startin'
to suck!  i am (like several others) getting to the point where i'm
starting to feel like a child for fear that every time i post something,
i'll be corrected...publicly or privately...i appreciate those that do
it out of the kindness of their hearts, but a few do it just to prove
that they're right.
ah well, that's my b**ch for the night...i hope some people out there
actually agree with me...i just think we should all loosen up a bit..do
you all think a & e would like us gettin' our undies in a bundle over
this kind of crap?!  hmmm...i don't know..
sorry if i've offended anyone...this is just how i feel...i had to get
it off my chest before my head exploded.

-bethany ;)

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 02:19:48 -0500
reply-to:     chiqhiker@aol.com
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from:         anne walkky <chiqhiker@aol.com>
subject:      nigc: request for good thoughts

hi, fellow indigoans, could you please send out good thoughts to my dog,
dogman?  i just dropped him off at the emergency vet to get stiches for a
glass cut on his paw from a coffee table which broke.  he should be okay,
but... well you know...

thanks, i really appreciate it.

anne

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date:         wed, 3 dec 1997 23:43:02 -0800
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i realize this may seem a bit odd and a tad intrusive, but does anyone
know emily's shoe size?   i'd rather not explain my curiosity, but i
assure you it is nothing perverted or even anything that needs
discussion on this list.  private reply would probably be most
appropriate.   thanks   mel

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 08:40:42 -0500
reply-to:     housewren@aol.com
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from:         robin cronin <housewren@aol.com>
subject:      re: hey jill!!! re: lesbian goddess remarks
x-to:         pooh40@mc.net

funny you should react this way, pooh----all i feel when i read jill's stuff
is a great sense of pride and empowerment...plus i bust a gut laughing
because her writing is so clever!!
if the girls are openly out, which they are, then it's not a private issue
anymore.  however i'm sure they would humbly take issue with the "goddesses"
label---but that's just jill's opinion (which most of us share!!)

(just another $.02 from the closet in downers grove)

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 08:54:00 -0500
reply-to:     housewren@aol.com
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from:         robin cronin <housewren@aol.com>
subject:      re: lesbians and more!
x-to:         skippeec@muohio.edu

in a message dated 97-12-03 15:08:57 est, skippeec@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu
writes:

<< a lot of us hold little fantasies about
amy (and as long as they don't go too far, they're okay).  >>

what???  we even have to censor our fantasies now to be proper listers??????

if we promise to keep them to ourselves, can we still have lurid dreams??
huh??  pretty please????????

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 09:10:23 -0500
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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marivel danielson <marivel@m.imap.itd.umich.edu> wrote:
>shufa nasser <shuffa@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >i wish to know what the song 'winthrop'is about....
>deb then replied:
>> i'd tell you, but i keep dozing off in the middle. (flame privately if you
>> must. <g>)
>
>i'd comment but i'm still gasping in disbelief over this one.  but don't
>worry, this is not a flame...to each her own.

right.  i really do think that "leeds" and "winthrop" are both amazing songs,
especially in light of how soon after learning piano emily wrote them.  but
they're just not to my liking; i can't recall the last piano ballad that held
my attention.

>okay, i'm not commenting on this plane thing, but just to verify then...
>everything you do, listen to, and purchase that involves the girls has their
>notarized "okay" stamped on the back?  there's a lot of stuff out there that
>a lot of us do that the girls don't approve of either officially or
personally
>(like how 'bout the study hall boot or this list for example), but they
>accept that it exists.  that's not to say it's okay, just that jill's
situation
>is not a unique one, and if you're gonna question *it* then you should
question
>these other things too.

it's not just a matter of what ig approve of, it's the conscious effort that
these list owners and many of us on the list have made to abide this
particular request of the girls.  amy has expressed that she doesn't have a
problem with the list per se, but rather with its straying into personal
territory.  going way back to the first ig list owner , there has been an
attempt to respect her wishes in that regard.  anyone who doesn't like those
restrictions is free to start their own ig list.

>> i feel kinda bad for amy's tech... he seems to be doing a great job too,
>>but i don't even know his name!  so i'd say sulli gets quite a lot of
>>recognition for a guitar tech!
>
>really there's little if any need for that.

for what?!  sheesh, what did i say to get that reaction, you'd think i'd
criticized sulli, instead of simply noting that in comparison to chad
she gets lots of attention!  i didn't say she didn't deserve it.

>has anyone out there had a special
>moment with him?  do share.  i mean he's a great guitar tech as we've heard
>given amy's much improved string situation lately, and that's all his job
>description says he has to be, but sulli goes way beyond the call of duty.

i didn't say she didn't!  but another history lesson may be in order... i
remember when sulli was an anonymous guitar tech and she didn't do anything
special.  when her name began circulating on this list, and people began to
call her by name at shows and asked for stuff, she graciously obliged
these requests.  perhaps chad would do the same, but nobody calls for him to
because sulli is already to designated pick/setlist distributor. :-)

besides, it's very apparent based on this conversation and the ones about dave
and rcam, that when it comes to ig's staff, the only thing that's really
important is what they do for *us*, not what they do for ig.

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 10:00:47 -0800
reply-to:     faye memolo <indigo@ncia.net>
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i don't usually post but after reading helen's post this am just wanted
to add that even though the girls may have picked their name out of a
dictionary, it is still the color of the third eye chakra (body's energy
center) which deals with intuition and wisdom!  and, if any of you have
read the celestine prophecy and agree with some of its ideas (even though
it's "fiction"), there is no such thing as a coincidence!

i don't think that guy felt silly at all.

faye (whose third eye chakra is her most powerful!)

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 10:12:44 -0400
reply-to:     "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
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from:         "joan m. cyr" <jcyr@mit.edu>
subject:      re: jerry's marotta's brother
x-to:         leigh ann horn <junebug@aeneas.net>
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at 8:32 pm -0400 12/3/97, leigh ann horn wrote:

>(pet show stuff snipped).... mr. rick marotta is the drummer!

ok, why does this guys name sound familiar?  like he used to play drums for
someone famous..?  ahhhhh!  i'm having a brain cramp.....

who know who rick used to play drums for?  ('scuze the dangling participle...)

i'm thinking it was carly simon.....maybe?  i'm not sure....bleck.

have a good one y'all!

joni  :o)

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 09:52:29 -0600
reply-to:     goddess of destruction <mb1170@mis.finchcms.edu>
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from:         goddess of destruction <mb1170@mis.finchcms.edu>
subject:      milwaukee tix?
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does anyone please please please have two (or more!) extra tix for dec.
8th's milwaukee concert?  i'm dying to go!


--mani
                        (think myself into jail.)


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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 09:30:55 -0700
reply-to:     "cusick, joanne - nashville, tn" <joanne.cusick@cexp.com>
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from:         "cusick, joanne - nashville, tn" <joanne.cusick@cexp.com>
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hi guys...

i'm coming out of lurkdom to ask this again.  i'm moving to the denver,
colorado area in february, and some wonderful people had replied to my
last email.  unfortunately, i can't find their addresses now.  if there
is anyone in that area that can give me tips on where a good place to
live and things to do, please email me privately.  sorry to waste b/w...

jo anne

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 11:50:15 -0500
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from:         rick b sayre <rbsayre@aol.com>
subject:      lilith holiday show (final lineup) -sigc

okey dokey artichokies!!!

first thing this morning i visited the updated lilith fair page & they have
the final lineup for the holiday show announced:

and the winners are...
main stage-
sarah mclachlan (duh)
sheryl crow
indigo girls
missy elliot (are me & that strawberry blonde the only ppl excited about
this?)
luscious jackson

second stage-
k's choice
chantal kreviazuk (try saying that 3 times fast. or at all!)
letters to cleo (!!!!!!! a personal favorite- besides sarah & the girls this
is going to be the highlight for me!)

village stage-
mary karlzen (a local act i've heard a lot of good things about- can't wait
to finally hear her)
kacy crowley (??)
ana gasteyer (??)

here's hoping for a grand finale of closer to fine....

yer lilith fair fanatic-
rick
*you can't go home... but i guess you can shop there.* -martin blank

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 12:35:03 edt
reply-to:     becky steele/ventana <becky_steele/ventana.itp@lgate.vmedia.com>
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tomorrow is my birthday - and since i am taking the day off from work i was
birthday'd a day early - today.  i was opening one of my gifts and a friend
here said "cool what is that" to which i reply "a cd i think" then my friend
says "what is it - the indigo girls christmas album" to which i reply "no i
would already have that if it existed".   heeheehee

for those who would like to know it was the freddy jones band - waiting for the
night.

great band - well - at least i like them.

happy birthday to me....becky

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 11:47:35 -0600
reply-to:     "barbara l. basaj" <barbarab@megsinet.net>
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i guess i was wrong all along.  i thought the word indigo came from the fact that it was a common crop down south, often used as a blue dye for clothing, such as blue jeans.  a&e being from georgia, and being the casual, blue-jeans types, it kinda seemed to fit.  a dictionary?--seems odd that they would have put less thought into it than that, unless they saw the connections that i'm seeing.

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sent:   thursday, december 04, 1997 8:32 am
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subject:        when i was buying my tickets...

i meant to tell this little amusing story about the conversation i had with
the guy who sold me my canberra tickets.

he said, "oh i just got why they're called the indigo girls!!"

"why?" asked i.

"because indigo is the colour of the third eye!"

"is it??"  first i'd heard.

"well," i said rather smugly, "the official story from one of the girls
says something like they pulled the word out of the dictionary, thought it
sounded cool and that was that."

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 12:59:18 -0500
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subject:      links dead...

um, i think the links for both of the guitar tab sites are dead...well i cant
reach them anyway...thanks!

mourtney

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i don't usually post but after reading helen's post this am just wanted
to add that even though the girls may have picked their name out of a
dictionary, it is still the color of the third eye chakra (body's energy
center) which deals with intuition and wisdom!  and, if any of you have
read the celestine prophecy and agree with some of its ideas (even though
it's "fiction"), there is no such thing as a coincidence!

i don't think that guy felt silly at all.

faye (whose third eye chakra is her most powerful!)

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 12:37:59 -0700
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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from:         "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
subject:      online amy interview and ig chat
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hey y'all,

in an attempt to avoid being flamed for wasting bandwidth, i'll be skimpy
on details. please feel free to e-mail privately with requests. forgive me
if these things have already been discussed.

in browsing the epiccenter webpage, which i haven't done for months
because i now have you people, who are so much more in the know, i came
across a post about an interview with amy in an online music mag, stomp
and stammer. it's in the may '97 back issue.
                http://www.monsterbit.com/stammer

also, someone posted a scheduled ig chat tonight at 7 est.
                http://home.onestop.net/denise
                click on chat, then on indigo chat

i visited this chat room. it's not the most advanced of chat programs, but
i suppose if you're starving to chat real-time (sorta) with ig fans, it
could suffice. personally, it's not something i'd get real excited about,
but to each his/her own.

also, could whomever posted west coast tour dates, either repost or just
send em to me privately? i seem to have misplaced my newsletter for the
time being.

thanx,
amy m.

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"we are not empty-headed celebrities."
               -the goddess, amy ray
"women together is a powerful thing. especially when you join it with
music."
               -the goddess, emily saliers
"amy is the stuff fantasies are made of, emily is the stuff romantics
yearn for."
               -the goddess, jill certo

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 15:16:19 -0500
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  i found this on the web, thought y'all might be interested but it
doesn't mention anything about the girls.

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        "may 15, 1997: the virginia slam! has
  been confirmed for thursday, june 12th, at wetlands
  preserve in new york city. leslie nuchow will be
  performing, as will toshi reagon,
  patti rothberg, sophie b. hawkins,
  and jill sobule.  the group's press
  release emphasizes that the short
  time frame prohibited many interested artists
  from performing; several, such as
  bonnie raitt and annie lennox, are
  "sending letters of support."

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                 that myth is more potent than history
                 that dreams are more powerful than facts.
                 that hope always triumphs over experience.
                 that laughter is the only cure for grief.
                 and i believe that love is stronger than death.
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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 16:36:21 -0400
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on thu, 4 dec 1997, bethany wrote:
> one thing that i've noticed is that there is waaay too much intimidation
> goin' on...a few people on this list find it necessary to correct every
> one and everything that happens...(i'm not talkin' about sherlyn...
> that's her job...) i'm referring to members who feel that it's their
> domain and/or responsiblity to post only when somethin' ain't right.
> i'm just getting really bad, unfriendly vibes from certain folks on the
> list and really don't know how much longer i'll be here...it's startin'
> to suck!  i am (like several others) getting to the point where i'm
> starting to feel like a child for fear that every time i post something,
> i'll be corrected...publicly or privately...i appreciate those that do

i am in absolute  agreement with ya, babe.  i know i've got a big mouth
(or fast typing fingers, or whatnot) but i do not actively try to shove
others into a corner, as i myself have been pushed around many many times,
both publicly and privately.  so what if this sounds like i'm whining?
it's not *fair*, plain and simple.
and i think we're on the same plane (oh shoot, i forgot, i'm not allowed
to use that word anymore)in terms of *who*'s doin' the unnecessary
correctin' 'round here!  and i don't like it one bit either...

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hi there all,

well, finally,  i open the morning paper to find an ad for
the sydney ig concert....'bout time.  of course who are we
to complain as the fabuloso sherlyn got us second row amy
for the gig....i don't expect that would have happened if
advertising had happened sooner.
anyway the ad has a pic i have not seen before - head shots
with amy in the background looking down, emily up front
looking straight into the camera....looks like emily
borrowed one of those infamous amy retro shirts! the little
quote from their lasts australian review says "charged by
the fans swaying at their feet...a joyous gig"...  heck i'd
go and see 'em!

on another note, does anyone have the chords to language or
the kiss, cedar tree, or let it be me (an almost never
mentioned song!).

and one last thing....can everyone get up right now and do a
rain dance......by this afternoon i may have had to evacuate
my house because of bushfires....scary stuff!!

bye

penelope......cooking (with bushfires) in katoomba


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        >date:    wed, 3 dec 1997 23:50:02 -0500
        >from:    don richards <donrich@neo.lrun.com>
        >subject: re: latest survey results

>   >- ok, i have to know, .... who's the other over 50???? :)
        >come out, come out, whoever you are :)

i just realized that it could be my dad...for all i know,  he could be
hanging out on this list too...i don't think he is...anyway, he has
incredible taste in music.
i started listening to ig when  "indigo girls"  first came out, and he
bought a copy.  he also had every rem, u2, 10 000 maniacs album before
1990 on vinyl.

        also, anybody in the baltimore/dc area should know that caroline
aiken is going to be playing in columbia, md next thursday (the 11th),
and dar williams in annapolis monday the 15th, and danielle howle in dc
on the 19th (and then i'm going to visit my parents for the holidays
just in time to hear k's choice in toronto on the 22nd) yay!!!!

        sarah
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hey folks,

first of all - third eye huh?  i thought a chakra was something
xena uses.  (obviously, i'm not one who's into all that
spiritual enlightenment stuff... :)

penelope said:
> well, finally,  i open the morning paper to find an ad for
> the sydney ig concert....'bout time.  of course who are we

i gotta say, i love my boss (his name is ross, he's always
cross... not :).  he let me cut up his precious newspaper so
that i now have a copy of this ad stuck on my noticeboard
above the picture of my cats.  and it's about damn time this
ad appeared!  i've been looking for it for weeks.

> to complain as the fabuloso sherlyn got us second row amy
> for the gig....i don't expect that would have happened if

second row amy *tickets*, penelope.  your obsession is
showing a little there...  (duck)

> quote from their lasts australian review says "charged by
> the fans swaying at their feet...a joyous gig"...  heck i'd
> go and see 'em!

and what's even cooler - in the bottom right hand corner of
the ad there's a little logo that says "1998 sydney gay and
lesbian mardi gras festival event".  can't find any mention
of them on the mardi gras site (http://www.mardigras.com.au)
yet though.

> and one last thing....can everyone get up right now and do a
> rain dance......by this afternoon i may have had to evacuate
> my house because of bushfires....scary stuff!!

yes, everyone, please - send rainy thoughts.  there are fires
burning all over our state.  the winds are really strong and
it's *scary*.  we haven't had fires this bad (or this early
in the season) for several years.  send good thoughts...

i have thoughts on "mystery" but i'll post 'em later.
happy happy happy happy folks,
sherlyn
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i don't have any good stories about personally, except for the fact that it's
one of my favorites, but there was a girl at one of the concerts who was
standing in line in front of me for the bathroom who said that she and her
husband used the line "equal partners in a mystery" on the front of their
wedding programs.  i thought that was so sweet!!

molly o+

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please rid of me.  i do not wish to be on the listesrve anylonger.  as
nice as it may be, 100 messages a day pisses me off.  hope you can
understand.

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> > to complain as the fabuloso sherlyn got us second row amy
> > for the gig....i don't expect that would have happened if
>
> second row amy *tickets*, penelope.  your obsession is
> showing a little there...  (duck)

ho, ho, ho......hey i'm under stress here......i'm packing up my most
cherished belongings..........give me a break...........(subconscious
thoughts often rise to the surface when dealing with stressful
situations.......)ahghghh....i'll just go try and shut my mind
off.......

pen

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you definitly have the right to your opinion and all, but i'm a high
school age girl who loves the indigo girls andi am completely respectful
during concerts (especially the indigo girls shows).  maybe the people you
are referring to are the people who come tho the show who have heard "shame
on you" on the radio once and think the show is a fun weekend activity.  i
sing along during songs like galileo and closer to fine, but hey, doesn't
everyone young and old!
        on a side note what does really piss me off is the people who are barely
fans of the girls that pull a few strings and get 1st row tix to the
concerts and spend the entire time complaining about(for the girls) the
lack of cute guys at the concerts, or how theyjust cant believe theyre at a
concert with a "bunch of lesbians"! anyone agree,
                        chelsea

>the people i see at each show who talk incessantly and act rude and
>disrespectful almost, without exception, are high school and college-age
>girls.  it really bothers me that a lot of the fans in this generation
>seem to lack common manners such as respect, listening when other people
>singing, etc.  it's as if they are the only souls in the theater
>or something.  i don't know if they're just so excited that they're
>oblivious to the fact that they are acting like selfish idiots, or
>they just don't give a flip.  maybe both!

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twink said:
<<   yes, and i don't think disagreeing is the issue... it's when someone
needlessly posts a flame when they, personally, have a problem with
something.  >>

actually i liked all of what twink said, but this particularly struck me.
i've been hanging around for a good while now, and i have absolutely observed
a hell of a lot of unnecessary animosity, especially in the form of listees
telling other listees what they should or should not be doing, thinking,
feeling, etc., and in a very mean spirited manner.   as i've said before, and
i'm sure many of you hate my guts for it, i truly believe it's all a function
of maturity.  and believe me, a person can me immature at any age.  however,
as you gain emotional maturity, you learn to accept the differences in people,
and to disagree without judging.  unfortunately, i see a lot of judging on
this list.  hey, i have a really novel idea - how bout we all try to be nice?

see who can do it the longest....

bon

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let's please don't lose sight of the fact that this was a *great* show.
i have never seen amy smile so much during a show.  both amy and emily
seemed to be having a great time and were really feeding off of the crowd's
singing along to every song.  the both looked great, most everyone was
having a great time, and the vibe was very happy.  individual experiences
at this show might have been crappy (mine wasn't...the audience in my half
of orchestra 3 was very polite), but the show in general was great.
i'm concerned that bickering is going to taint the memory of this show
for those of us who did have a good experience.  also, i want everyone to
know that i was in no way assaulting generation-xers the other day.  i
am on the baby-boomer/gen x cusp, you know.  all of the college age folks
i've met in person from this list have been the coolest, sweetest, most
mature folks (sometimes more mature than me;)!  i think no matter what
ig show you go to, you're going to see stupid, inconsiderate, obnoxious
people who just don't know how to act at that type of concert.  i don't
know what the solution is, though.  but, i don't think rudeness is confined
to any one city...i think you see it everywhere.

peace,

joan :-d

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here are the quotes for whoever wanted them.  maybe you could post some of
the extra special ones when you're done.  here are my favorites,


*"don't compromise yourself, you're all you've got-janis joplin

*"i'm a poster girl with no poster, i am 32 flavors and then some" ani
difranco

*"your bones have been my bedframe, and your flesh has been my pillow, i've
been waiting foe sleep, to offer up the deep with both hands"-ani difranco

*"be your own flying saucer, rescue yourself" tom robbins

*"the pure and simple truth is rarely pure and never simple" oscar wilde

*"not everything is better spoken aloud"-amy ray

*angels can fly because they take themselves lightly"

*"a ship may be safest in harbor, but that is not what she is built for."

*"we get a little further from perfection, each year on the road, i guess
thats what they call character."
                        ani difranco

*"who ever thuoght a little girl like you could destroy my wickedness?"-the
wizard of oz

*perhaps you seek too much and as a result of your seeking you cannot find
it"-herman hesse

*"and i use my dress to wipe up my drink, i care less and less what people
think."-ani difranco

*the hardest to learn is the least complicated"-emily saliers

*"don't be tempted by the shiny apple, don't you eat of a bitter fruit,
hunger only for a taste of justice, hunger only for a world of truth, cause
all that you have is your soul-tracy chapman

*"i used to be a superhero, i would swoop down and save me from myself"-ani
difranco

*"people are like stained glass windows, they sparkle and shine when the
sun is out but when the darkness sets in their true beaty is revealed only
if there is a light form within."
*"he is in a constant state of stage fright because he never knows what
part of his life he is going to have to act in next"-kurt vonnegut

*hold fast to dreams
for if dreams die
life is a broken winged bird
that canot fly-langston hughes

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on thu, 4 dec 1997, bethany wrote:
> one thing that i've noticed is that there is waaay too much intimidation
> goin' on... ....(snip).... i'm just getting really bad, unfriendly vibes
from certain folks on the > list

then on12/4/97 7:30:44 pm, jillian.certo@oberlin.edu wrote:
i am in absolute  agreement with ya, babe.  ....(snip).... and i think we're
on the same plane (oh shoot, i forgot, i'm not allowed to use that word
anymore)in terms of *who*'s doin' the unnecessary correctin' 'round here!  and
i don't like it one bit either... >>

and there are those of us who do come out of lurkdom every now & then to say
for the most part, this is one of the friendliest lists going.  some of us
have been here for quite some time now & have gotten to know each other well,
and will continue our friendships long after you get bored with us.  so, if
you have problems with someone in particular, take it to them privately, get
off your soapbox and give my delete button a rest.

dee (who is usually not such a crabby ass, but getting mighty tired with all
this hoo-ha lately)

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i have to agree with one thing i heard about the louisville show- when amy has
to shush the crowd to listen to emily sing- something is terribly wrong with
the audience behavior.

at numerous concerts i have heard amy and emily thank the crowd for listening.
i was in the front row several (many?) years back when emily debuted ghost in
buffalo and you could have heard a pin drop through the whole song. no one
even breathed out loud. when the applause started up i said (cause i was like
10 feet from them) 'beautiful, emily' and amy just beamed for her. you could
tell she loved that we were so attentive and respectful. same thing has
happened every time with that song since, and with other songs- like when
emily debuted leeds at the demo tour in lewiston, just her and the piano on
stage. the crowd was absolutely silent. even after she finished the song
everyone just stood there for a few moments to catch our collective breath
before bursting into applause and cheers. i know it means a lot more to them
to play for people who actually listen...

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yes, i must say i have to agree with whoever said the thing about "semi"
ig fans somehow getting front row seats.  it is so annoying!  you know the
types, the people who only go to the shows to hear "galileo" and "closer
to fine"

at the columbus show, someone actually requested "c2f"  i mean get real!!!
of course they'll do "c2f"!  augggggggggggggg!  if you're gonna request a
song, try to be a bit more creative!  maybe request a really rare song
that they never play, hey, you never know.  but requesting "c2f",
pleaaaaaaaase!!!!  anyway, the whole thing just cracked me up.

another think that annoys me is those "semi" fans who somehow get
backstage passes.  thankfully, i did get a chance to meet the girls, (not
by backstage pass, though...), but i think the passes should go to real
fans.  it is just so annoying!

okay, that's my $0.02.

:-) karen

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hey folks,

karen said:
> yes, i must say i have to agree with whoever said the thing about "semi"
> ig fans somehow getting front row seats.  it is so annoying!  you know the
> types, the people who only go to the shows to hear "galileo" and "closer
> to fine"

well, in a lot of cases these front row seats and backstage
passes get given out to industry people - radio folk, record
store folk, people like that.  no, they may not necessarily
be fans but maybe they'll come to the show, enjoy themselves
and play some ig on the radio, or order some albums for
their store... it's all part of the music business.

btw, can someone out there with perfect pitch answer this
for me - what key does "burn all the letters" start out in?
and what key does it slide up to?

thanks, :)
sherlyn
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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 22:18:07 -0500
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hi!  i hate to jump on the bandwagon (even though the last time i saw
a message like this was about a month ago), but i thought this would
be the best place to obtain some really amazing quotes on friendship.
it is one of my best friends' birthday on monday, and we haven't been
so close lately.  i'm thinking of getting her a book, and i would like
a meaningful quote to write on the inside cover.  any help is hugely
appreciated.
sincerely,
rebecca
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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 3 dec 1997

unsubcribe elena robinson indigo girls

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 22:34:18 -0500
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hey list--i have been off the list for a week and it looks as though it was
a good idea with all the hoo ha going on around here (thanks again dee for
using that phrase).

in defense of "semi" fans i have to butt in.  i will be the first to admit
that at the chicago show i wanted to beat up the girl who requested closer
to fine with a billy club.  but maybe that was her first show and she had
no clue that ctf was played all the time.  maybe ctf had inspired her
entire existence and she was finally getting a chance to see ig live and
just had to make sure she heard it.  not everyone is at psycho groupie
status like us.  some folks go to concerts when they know one song by the
artist.  they are allowed to be there ya know.  i mean i went to see ani
and knew like 5 songs and was pissed when she played some new unfamiliar
stuff.  but i am sure the ani groupies were like loving it all.  so give
those ig fans who are not as obsessive as us a break.  if everyone at the
shows was a list member i would be very scared because i would then be in a
concert hall full of people with too much email time on their hands
(including myself).  face it folks--we are pretty obsessive and kind of
scare others.  i am ok with that and know that i could be diagnosed with
something due to my adoration of ig but i still respect the 10 year old fan
who thinks galileo is a cool tune because emily says beer and i still love
the fan who yells romeo and juliet (unless directly behind me).

as for the hoo ha on the list i have an easy solution:

people who want to be here stay.  people who don't go away.  i should be in
the middle east makin peace :):)

greg

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hi all :-)
        does anyone know how i can get a hold of one of the black long
sleeved fish shirts? i wanted one at the concerts i was at, but the first
one didn't sell them, at the second one i figured i could just get one at
the next concert, and finally when the last concert rolled around i thought
i had enough money left to buy one, but i didn't :-(
anyways..to make a long story short...the newsletter has everything but
that item :-(
does anyone have an extra? :-) just wondering :-)
                                        -heather

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 21:35:09 -0800
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   i'm not sure if anyone already posted, but the ellen show with ig will
air january 7....i was also wondering, what is the name of the record
company/label that sounds like sunny day records, or sunnyside records, or
maybe its rainyday records...ive heard that you can get ig stuff through
them..thanks!!!  and is there anyone that would be willing to trade, or
get paid for taping the ppv show for me?? i was away when it aired, and my
bfriend and i really want a copy of it...email me privately...thanks
again!!!

                          inspired by insanity,
                                jeanette

              dancing our many rhythms in the ruins of patriarchal
            paradise, women may meet in each other the sylvan sister,
                      scarred but strangely beautiful

                                  kathleen sands

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date:         thu, 4 dec 1997 22:06:01 -0800
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subject:      west coast info

hello fellow ig admirers,

i know that this information has been posted but i never soaked in the
information since i don't live on the west coast.  my dear friend however
lives in la and is wondering if ig will be performing in her area soon.

since this info has been posted already, would someone please write to me
directly with the information.  i'd really appreciate it!  my email is
tangho@juno.com.

thanks again,
holly

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 00:20:12 est
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hey y'all,

help please!  can any of you think of any songs either written or sung by
women about superman?  superheroes in general would be okay too, i'm
specifically looking for superman.  already know about streisand and garrison
starr's new tune, "superheroes".  anything else come to mind?  and has amy
ever referenced comic books/characters in any of her songs?  i couldn't come
up with any - maybe some of you have better recall than i do (wouldn't be hard
these days :-)

thanks for your help.  please e-mail privately.

pam

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 00:33:11 est
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okay, so this whole greeting card exchange is up and running.  if you sent me
your address and have not yet received your list, please e-mail me privately
so i can get it out to you.

oh, and sherilyn--thanks for the technical wizardry ; )...eventually i'll
learn how to spell "netspace" right so all my posts don't get bounced.

peace,
shelley

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idiot alert. i can't add. $1.70 for all that is what i meant to say. sorry, i
just dont want to get 5 bazillion responses saying, "uh, that would be $1.70
genius." <grin>

michelle

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today, i went to university of texas' book sale and spent an hour and a half
searching for melissa and indigo girls stuff and i went home with 17 magazines
(rollingstones, spins, etc) for a dime each. all 17 had either an article,
photo, advertisement, editorial, review, or other like information on either
melissa or indigos. i am so unbelievably excited i can hardly speak. $2.70 for
all that. i'm finally feeling like the money i've spent on everything else i
bought for christmas is justified!

michelle

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 01:05:17 -0500
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subject:      stuff about mystery & mysteries about stuff.

"mystery"- so i listened to "mystery" today, reading along in the lyric book
(gosh i remember when i used to remember all the lyrics by heart. i'm gettin'
old!!) anyway, of all the things it reminded me of... little women. i think
the part we've been discussing- the pirate verse at the end, specifically-
"basking in the exploits of her theif, she's a very good listener"
  it's always reminded me that there are some people who go out & do all
these great, exciting things & those of us who can't or don't have the
courage, but just thrill to hear the stories... so that made me think a bit
of beth in little women- keep in mind i've never read the whole thing through
& that my impression is just from the 94 film... she was the sickly sister
who passed away, but seemed to sort of live vicariously through jo & her
adventures...
:) just my meathead thought of the day, kind of random.

anyway

earlier today in a post about the upcoming lilith fair holiday show i posted
a list of names that included ana gasteyer-

a buncha humans from the list e-mailed me wondering if this is the ana
gasteyer  from snl- i scooped around the lilith fair page some more today &
discovered that it is, indeed, the very same ana. however, her bio is the
exact same one they have on the snl page, so i'm really clueless as to
whether she'll be singing or doing stand up!! she has a lovely voice (even my
mom comments on it when she watches snl), so who knows, it could be either!!
:-)

   rick
*i'll be there when the world stops turning
i'll be there when the storm is through
in the end i wanna be standing
at the beginning with you...*

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 01:21:26 -0400
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i said i wasn't gonna waste my time responding to any b**tches about my
previous post, but here i am...i can't let this one go.
i'm not usually such a crabby ass either, but if individuals can't take
a little constructive criticism there's a bit of a problem...
i never said that there weren't respectful people on this list or that i
have yet to find a person worthy of my precious friendship.  i know for
a fact that i sure as hell never claimed to be standing any higher than
the rest of you...
i don't think that there was anything wrong with the message that i
posted... it was simply a method of asking those that are making it
uncomfortable for some (yes, i could have e-mailed them privately, but
thought that maybe everyone would appreciate hearing it) to maybe modify
their behavior a bit (maybe just a little?!)...
it all comes down to the fact that certain folks on this list have this
completely distorted idea that they somehow have this "seniority" over
the rest of us.  this is an indigo girls list....nobody has a higher
"position" than anyone else...that was the point i was making.
but hell, what do i know?! i'm just one o' those 20 year old "rowdy
college-goin' kids" who don't know nothin!  maybe i don't deserve to
voice an opinion, is that what i'm hearin?!
i wasn't pissed when i posted it, but i kinda am now....and yeah, i'll
gladly take my head back now...

-bethany ;)

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in a message dated 97-12-04 20:46:51 est, deb writes:

<< but another history lesson may be in order... i
remember when sulli was an anonymous guitar tech and she didn't do anything
special.  when her name began circulating on this list, and people began to
call her by name at shows and asked for stuff, she graciously obliged
these requests.  >>

*sigh* ah yes ... i remember it wasn't so long ago that jimmy descant
was the golden guitar tech .... (was a moving force behind "midnight train
to georgia").
but now ...there's a new girl in town...ohhh, ohhh, there's a new girl in
tooowwwn.
;)
hey , anyone know what mr. descant has moved on to anyway ????
and befor jimmy, wasn't there some girl named kristen ?
ta !

claire

" lately i am feeling trollish and have changed my name from
crumpet to blisters. blisters - i think it's cute."

(david sedaris, "the santaland diaries")

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re: the current hoo ha (ver.675)
i remember when i was a new and idealistic listee .... *sniff *
(oh no, i'm getting all verklemt ...)
but i got better ;)
it occurs to me that the very listees who rankled my fur due to
their surlyosity (and crabbyness) became some of the listees nearest
and dearest to my heart !
( i can't resist a surly person ! :)

seriously .... it really is amazing how the same thing
happens over and over and over.
and over.. and the really funny thing is that it happens on the other lists
too.
but (i must say) that ig listers are a bit more earnest than most.
(and our tape trees rule !!!!...
everywhere else it's "whadaya got to trade ???")
hee !
:)
claire

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crumpet to blisters. blisters - i think it's cute."

(david sedaris, "the santaland diaries")

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heather wrote:
>
> subject: fish shirt??
> date: thu, 4 dec 1997 23:44:12 -0500
> from: heather davis <heather@coaps.fsu.edu>
>
> hi all :-)
>         does anyone know how i can get a hold of one of the black long
> sleeved fish shirts? i wanted one at the concerts i was at, but the first
> one didn't sell them, at the second one i figured i could just get one at
> the next concert, and finally when the last concert rolled around i thought
> i had enough money left to buy one, but i didn't :-(
> anyways..to make a long story short...the newsletter has everything but
> that item :-(
> does anyone have an extra? :-) just wondering :-)
>                                         -heather

forget the fish shirt!!

i just want my "requested 4 months ago newsletter!"  :)

(just a very tired "heehee" from someone who is up at 3:30 am for no
apparent reason!)

hope you get your shirt!  they are really nice!

peace-
karrie

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 03:53:22 pst
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subject:      re: columbus and indigo dreams...long
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jill wrote:
  emily was radiantly beautiful in columbusshe sure was gorgeous-- words fail me (is that ossible?!)-- but there i was, always the amy-person to the hilt, unable to tear my glassy eyes from emily's visage.
> like a glowing bride or something.

yes!  now, these are the terms to describe lovely emily.  glowing...radiant.  when she came over & talked to us in st. louis, it was dark, but emily virtually "lit up" the parking lot with her happiness and beauty...
toye

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okay y'all......i'm pretty sure i got the pics out to everyone who asked, but
i ran into some mailing probs.....so if you didn't get three seperate
downloads, please lemme know...
thanks, ab

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just curious to the blue hat that has the sunflower like flower on it -
i bought one and so did a friend at the same show,she got hers in the
begining and hers says 1997 on the back i got mine at the end of the
show and it says summer 98 on the back, just wondering if anyone has
this '98 one too,email me what ya have if you have a moment-just want to
know
thanks,karen

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 08:49:01 -0500
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subject:      vh1 special

someone was wondering when this would re-air and i got this from
sarah mclachlan's e-mail list today:

the music video station vh1 will be re-broadcasting their 'behind the
music' special on lilith fair on saturday, december 6th at 5pm (est).
check you local listings for details.

ps - i, too, am getting sick of all the negative remarks on this list and i
hope that we can all remember the positive feelings we (i hope) get
when we go to concerts, listen to their music, etc. and try to treat each
other in that same vein.

thanks
tiffany

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 09:09:41 -0500
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hey!!

does anyone know where and when danielle howle will be playing in
washington?

thanks
ginny

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is this ana gasteyer person the one who sang with sarah
mclachlan on snl? if so, i was really impressed with her
voice.  everyone try to catch the snl with sarah on it when
it repeats, it was hilarious.
                        stephanie

>
> earlier today in a post about the upcoming lilith fair holiday show i posted
> a list of names that included ana gasteyer-
>
> a buncha humans from the list e-mailed me wondering if this is the ana
> gasteyer  from snl- i scooped around the lilith fair page some more today &
> discovered that it is, indeed, the very same ana.

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
indigo@virginia.edu
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at 08:25 pm 12/4/97 -0500, you wrote:

>*"not everything is better spoken aloud"-amy ray


if i'm not mistaken, this is from "mystery."  which, of course, is by emily!

"...but not everything is better spoken aloud, not when i'm talking to you."


cheryl thiede
cheryl@discover-net.net

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hi,
    i taped an extra copy of the lilith pay perview that i'd like to
trade for perhaps some concert photos of the girls, since i have a fair
number of boots, but i haven't taken any pictures at any of the shows.
whoever would like to trade, email me. thanks.
                                          pj

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 10:27:02 -0000
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hey,
     are you thinking of kristen hall?  she used to tech for them back in
'da day.

smiles,
allison

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in a message dated 97-12-05 01:02:23 est, greg writes:

<< some folks go to concerts when they know one song by the
artist.  they are allowed to be there ya know.  >>

  even tho this seems to not be the popular opinion here i've gotta agree
100%.. heck, i like music.  there have been times i've went to a concert just
knowing a song i've heard maybe once or twice on public radio and the person
singin' just tickled my fancy and i thought it might be interestin' to see
them.
  'sides, in my experience it is a lot of the die hards who are rude at
concerts.  standing up on their chairs and screaming their brains out for no
apparent reason. i was really disgusted last show i went to when people were
screaming fer r & j during emily singin' leeds.. arg.   these were people who
would call themselves die hard fans.  just cos i sit and listen and clap at
the end of a song does that make me any less of a fan?
  i usually drag my boyfriend along ta shows too.. he's not a big fan.. he
really only knows the words to the catchier songs- but he appreciates their
music.. does he know ever single song? no.. does he have less of a right ta
sit in the first row with me? no.. geez...

  grace whose ramblin on before coffee, sorry.

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 07:32:28 pst
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hey everyone!

check out this month's daemon records internet special - i promise you
won't be disappointed by this band - they are super-fantastic!

clipped from the website:
****
december special

belloluna - pleasant music for nice people

grab a copy of daemon's house party band while you can! thirteen songs
of poppy, jazzy, funky indulgence. oh, and you have to hear amy & grady
singing the part of the aliens on lights in the sky.

along with the reduced price, belloluna has added a holiday gift for all
of their fans. when you order a cassette or cd also
receive a free cassette with a never before released song and five live
tracks. and that's not all! you will also receive a brand
new belloluna bumper sticker. don't pass this up!

****

so in the above - you see the t(tiny)igc reference to amy singing - and
it truly is a must-hear! also - emily's vocals on the album are lovely
and quite clear - it's nice to actually be able to hear the person
singing the background vocals - and you can on this record!

so . . . i will stop gushing about belloluna - but just remind you that
you get a cool cassette (free!) and an ultra-cool bumper sticker (free!)
when you buy the cd through the website - so rush out right now and do
it!

http://www.monsterbit.com/daemon

and, if you already have purchased the cd, remember, holiday time is
near (and you can still keep the bumper sticker & cassette for yourself
- after all - who will know! hee hee!)

peace, love & funk!
nb

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at the columbus show, someone actually requested "c2f"  i mean get
real!!!
of course they'll do "c2f"!

the same thing happened at the st. louis show!   i always hate when
they start playing c2f because that means the the night is over and it
may be a while before i get to see the girls again.

cynthia

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 11:19:00 -0500
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did anyone else get a waving rainbow flag in the recent message, ig hat,
from fugitive1@webtv.net ?
i got the actual message too, but there was a animated picture as well.
just wondering if i'm going nuts, which is entirely likely. :)

elizabeth

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 11:13:49 -0500
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recently at the concert in orlando at the hob, i watched amy play like i
always do <ggg>....but this time while watching "cut it out" and "shed
your skin" i realized that she could play in a punk band...she has what it
takes....has she ever pursued this on her independent label?  also has
anyone heard of the punk band sicko?  they did a cover of "closer to
fine"...its real uppity - a must hear for all ig fans.


*********************
st-st-st-st-st-steph

  "patriarchy bites!"

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 09:37:33 +0000
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since it doesn't seem like the non-ig requests for quotes & help
with school projects get flamed, i have a very serious
request that i'm hoping will get the same respect.  i have a female
friend who was raped recently and i need any and all advice
relating to what i can do for her -- books she should read, web
sites with information, personal stories, anything.  being lucky
enough never to have gone through it, i still want to be on the
front lines in helping her recover from this, and i want to be
prepared.

nothing like a tragedy to make you realize how good you have
it and how unimportant so much of daily life is.  yes, like
flame wars.  this list has so much energy -- the possibilities
of what we could do with it are endless.  how many of us,
including a&e, would prefer to put it to good use?

sorry, i'm a bit depressed.  thanks to everyone who traded
with me for the least compilated mix, and for those of you
waiting, i'll get back to it this weekend, i promise.  you all
are awesome.

elizabeth
(the denver one)

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 11:45:19 -0500
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subject:      enough!

okay....
when i get home tonight & check my mail,
i hope i don't have to delete another bazillion
messages about privacy, annoying concertgoers & so on.
give me something good.
thanks.
jami
************************************
...i'm your girl,
strong and mean.  a.ray
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my sunflower hat also says summer 1998.  weird.
:-) karen

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 11:10:38 -0600
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this may be asking for too much, but would some kind soul who has a fan club newsletter consider scanning it and putting it on web-site or in a file for all of us pitiful ones who do not receive the newsletter despite our best efforts? i am dying to see what merchandise they offer for sale.

thanks!

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i am very disturbed right now.  i just got back from my literature class
and i had a horrible day in there.

i guess i just didn't know how homophobic the professor was.  anyway, one
woman in the class started talking about homosexuality (not in a bad way,
she was just talking about it).  all the sudden, this asshole, male
chauvinistic, misogynist prof starts completly making fun of gays,
lesbians, and bisexuals.  this goes on for a good 10 mins. or so.  a lot
of people in the class were chiming in.  i was ready to get up and leave.
he also assumed that everyone in the class was straight (think again,
asswhipe.).  the class turned into a gay bashing session that made me so
uncomfortable and angry and upset.  i can't even describe it.  it was just
so terrible.

after class this woman who i never really got to know apologized (she was
not doing any gay bashing, she was just sitting there) to me.  i thought
that was a nice gesture.

i was just too scared to speak up or do anything.  i felt lousy amd
intimidated, plus i am not completly out on this campus.  i am going to
complain though cause i am so pissed off and insulted.

last year i had some major problems with homophobia here (this is a
conservative school, i am a far cry from conservative).  however it was
mainly with a few students.  all of my profs and the administration
stepped in to help me (i wrote an article for the paper about gay
acceptence, never saying if i am gay or straight or bi, and got death
threats!).  for some reason, i never imagined a prof to gay bash, even if
that is how he/she feels, he/she should never instigate a gay bashing
session in class.

i am just wondering if any of y'all have any suggestions on what i can do.
talk to the head of the dept?  confront the prof (which i'm scared
sh**less to do)?  i am going to talk to my favorite prof later (she is
really understanding, and last year when i was coming out as bisexual, she
helped and supported me).  did any of you have any similar experiences?
any suggestions or insight would be helpful.  thanks a lot.

karen
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mmedido <mmedido@aol.com> wrote:
>*sigh* ah yes ... i remember it wasn't so long ago that jimmy descant
>was the golden guitar tech .... (was a moving force behind "midnight train
>to georgia").

jimmy did such a great job, it took 2 people to replace him! :-)  (i know, i
know, they play about 4 times as many instruments now!)  this is pure
speculation, but i know ig try to keep their costs, and therefore their ticket
prices down, so maybe he just got a better offer.  or maybe he got tired of
trying to life half his life on the road. :-)

>and befor jimmy, wasn't there some girl named kristen ?

kristen... kristen... hmmm..... :-)  oh yeah, and didn't that kristen chick
have a tech named... what was it? :-)

=-=-=-=

elizabeth skipper <skippeec@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu> wrote:

>did anyone else get a waving rainbow flag in the recent message, ig hat,
>from fugitive1@webtv.net ?

yep... a lot of people with slow connections, and folks on the digest are
gonna love it!

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all amerikan grrrl <swood@arts.usf.edu> wrote:
>recently at the concert in orlando at the hob, i watched amy play like i
>always do <ggg>....but this time while watching "cut it out" and "shed
>your skin" i realized that she could play in a punk band...she has what it
>takes....

one of my favorite ig quotes, courtesy of emily on vh-1's "naked cafe" a few
years ago:  "you can play punk on an acoustic guitar... amy does!"

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bethany wrote:
> it all comes down to the fact that certain folks on this list have this
> completely distorted idea that they somehow have this "seniority" over
> the rest of us.  this is an indigo girls list....nobody has a higher
> "position" than anyone else...that was the point i was making.

i've been on the list for a year and i've noticed this attitude too. i
think it comes back to the concept that somebody "owns" the list. how
can somebody own a mailing list? (i'm sure some person will inform me
with the appropriate level of righteous indignation.) we are a
collection of fans who share our thoughts and feelings on the music and
lives of the indigo girls and a ton of other things. it's nice that
somebody takes the time to do all the administrative stuff, but how can
the people who feel that they "own" the list think that they can control
the hearts and minds of 800 plus subscribers?

another thing that i don't understand is that a+e have said that they
aren't fond of the concept of a mailing list dedicated to them. so isn't
it kind of hypocritical that we try to make the list more palatable to
them when in fact it's very existence is a source of consternation?

i would hope that the righteous types would just chill out but that too
is an unreasonable expectation. this list is made up of a diverse group
of people each with their own idea of what the list should be. maybe we
just need to come to terms with the fact that no one attitude can
control the direction of the list and resort to being nicer to each
other.

cybernot

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    you know...i was actually thinking sort of the same thing...sort of.  :-)
the way amy moves on stage and holds her guitar and everything is so different
than emily.  many of amy's songs are faster, louder, and more "angry" sounding
as well.  i'm not sure a punk band is exactly what she would fit into (and i
sure hope she never joins one!) but if she wanted to, she could definitely go
for a more rock as opposed to folk style.  in fact, a lot of her songs,
especially the newer ones, already seem to more on the heavy rock end... i
love watching amy play the guitar with so much expression and movement.  and i
also love how emily seems calm and relaxed throughout most of the shows.  i
think this contrast in styles is what makes them such a perfect pair.
well, just had to add my little bit of unimportant insight... :-)

take care,
sharon

all amerikan grrrl wrote:

> recently at the concert in orlando at the hob, i watched amy play like i
> always do <ggg>....but this time while watching "cut it out" and "shed
> your skin" i realized that she could play in a punk band...she has what it
> takes....has she ever pursued this on her independent label?  also has
> anyone heard of the punk band sicko?  they did a cover of "closer to
> fine"...its real uppity - a must hear for all ig fans.
>
> *********************
> st-st-st-st-st-steph
>
>   "patriarchy bites!"
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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 09:54:41 pst
reply-to:     dana scully <lurker98@hotmail.com>
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actually, she was in a punk band, back in the late 80s.

it was called neener-neener and included amy on lead vocals and guitar,
our own miss binky on bass, susan badass marine on drums
and deb rockin' reiser on guitar and backup vocals. their live shows
were banned in 37 states because they often ended in moshpit brawls and
nude stage-diving. they had one cd, "kotex understands", which sold a
paltry 472 copies. the group disbanded in early 1991 after a series of
lawsuits and private hospital stays.

i
i
i
i
i-----------> wink! ;-)

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date:   fri, 5 dec 1997 11:13:49 -0500
reply-to: all amerikan grrrl <swood@arts.usf.edu>
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subject:      punk amy!
to:     indigo-girls@netspace.org

recently at the concert in orlando at the hob, i watched amy play like i
always do <ggg>....but this time while watching "cut it out" and "shed
your skin" i realized that she could play in a punk band...she has what
it
takes....has she ever pursued this on her independent label?  also has
anyone heard of the punk band sicko?  they did a cover of "closer to
fine"...its real uppity - a must hear for all ig fans.


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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 10:09:34 -0800
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is anyone going to the denver concert on dec. 14th?  what time are you
going to get there?  i want good seats but i don't know what kind of crowd
is going to line up to get in.  any advice would be wonderful.

thanks,
katherine

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 11:27:30 -0700
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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hey all,

i got a request to post the articles from which i got my signature quotes
(ok, all of em, except jill's) to the list. as i know some people are
quite touchy about waste of bandwidth, etc., etc., etc., i will only post
if there is sufficient interest. otherwise, i could send it only to those
folks who e-mail privately with their interest. let me know.

thank you for your time,
amy m.

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               -the goddess, amy ray
"women together is a powerful thing. especially when you join it with
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"amy is the stuff fantasies are made of, emily is the stuff romantics
yearn for."
               -the goddess, jill certo

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 10:52:30 -0600
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i have a big request...after reading about the ani list that posted only ani-relevant comments, i wondered if there was any enterprising soul....like maybe sherlyn or deb or jude or somebody :) who would coordinate a mailing of things culled from this list that are strictly ig. this would probably include things like concerts, merchandise, tv-showings, boots and trades, information about other artists, but no flames and discussions about personal lives...either our own or those of the girls.

i bring this up because i like getting information about the ig, but i do not enjoy all the nigc stuff that inevitably gets into flaming. i have learnt a lot from being on this list...and then again, it has gotten pretty out of hand at times.

would others be interested? and more importantly, would somebody volunteer to do this?

urvashi pitre, ph.d.

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 14:14:51 -0500
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run, dont walk and pick up the new "bridge school benefit cd"
tracy chapman
simon and garfunkel (doing america!)
neil young
david bowie
elvis costello
and patti smith just to name highlights - the tracy song is a intense early
version of all that you have is your soul....
mike r.
*who has no guilt about this nigc because if someone buys this cd and feels
all warm and fuzzy inside like i do now - it will be worth it - it also
benefits the bridge school - so it should be on all of your holiday lists.*

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 14:20:42 -0500
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i'm not sure what my hats says (do hats talk? ; ) ) but as soon as i get the
courage to brave the cold and go check (its in my car)  i'll let you know

love, karen

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 14:21:31 -0500
reply-to:     "karen l. frey" <karenfrey@redrose.net>
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dr. urvashi pitre wrote:

> this may be asking for too much, but would some kind soul who has a fan club newsletter consider scanning it and putting it on web-site or in a file for all of us pitiful ones who do not receive the newsletter despite our best efforts? i am dying to see what merchandise they offer for sale.
>
> thanks!
>
> urvashi pitre, ph.d.
>

ditto for me too : )

love, karen

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 11:36:33 pst
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hey y'all!

it's funny, what sharon said about amy the rocker, and emily, the
introspective guitarist (sorry for the paraphrasing, sharon!) - esp. if
you read this clip from the latest southern voice, which has a pretty
long interview with emily in it.

peace, y'all!
nb

****  snip snip!  ****
sovo: in terms of your own music, we've watched it develop from a
simpler, acoustic-guitar driven sound on your first album,
"strange fire," to a much more diverse, multi-layered sound in your most
recent cd. where are you going next? any new
instruments you're planning on adding to the long list?

saliers: probably so. i think amy wants to go back the other way. she's
really into folk music right now, and all i want to do is
play electric guitar, so we're always like that. we're just yin and
yang, and somehow we bring it together and we have a great
time making music together. you can never really say until the songs are
written and we get in the studio which direction we're
going to take.

sovo: is that a change in direction for you? in the past, amy has been
though of as the rocker, and you've been considered the
more introspective, folkie part of the duo.

saliers: it's really more of a change on her part than mine, because i
can't really write rock songs. i would sound stupid if i tried
to just scream out a rock song, while amy has a natural talent for that.
when i said play electric guitar before, hopefully she'll
write a couple of songs i can wail away on.

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 14:40:13 -0500
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i wish it was denver pa  :(  have a blast...

peace, karen

katherine e. orr wrote:

> is anyone going to the denver concert on dec. 14th?  what time are you
> going to get there?  i want good seats but i don't know what kind of crowd
> is going to line up to get in.  any advice would be wonderful.
>
> thanks,
> katherine
>

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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 5 dec 1997 - special issue
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i would definitely be interested in a igc only list or digest...
i've been wanting to suggest such a thing for awhile now, but was worried
i would get flamed.  to be honest, i have no interest in ellen (maybe if
it wasn't opposite party of five...) or lots of the nigc topics that get
discussed, but i still wanna get news on the girls...

which of course is a perfect introduction for some marginal igc of my own,
but discussing guitar techies, i know that jimmy descant (sp?) was
roadie-ing for the connells last winter, and he appears on thier new-ish
album "weird food and devestation"...

darren

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 15:00:50 -0500
reply-to:     "karen l. frey" <karenfrey@redrose.net>
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it just says 1997 on the back....hmmmm

karen l. frey wrote:

> i'm not sure what my hats says (do hats talk? ; ) ) but as soon as i get the
> courage to brave the cold and go check (its in my car)  i'll let you know
>
> love, karen
>

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 15:06:45 -0400
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o.k. it's official...we've successfully gathered enough listmembers to
create a great new cover tape.  about 20-25 people have expressed
interest, and i don't think i can fit any more than that on a 110 min.
cassette.
soooo, now the task is to think of a nifty name for it...those of you
who are interested in getting it (you don't have to be on it!) can throw
out ideas as well.
we could either call it "indicated iv," or brainstorm and name it
something else.  the tape is for everyone though, not just for me, so i
figured that this should be a "group thing." :) if you've got any input,
just e-mail me! thanks!

-bethany ;)

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 21:03:03 +0000
reply-to:     kathrin siegmund <kathrin.siegmund@stud.uni-hannover.de>
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from:         kathrin siegmund <kathrin.siegmund@stud.uni-hannover.de>
subject:      book about lilith fair

hey everybody!

i was browsing through amazon.com for some interesting books and
stumbled across this one:

                          building a mystery: the story of sarah
                          mclachlan and lilith fair
                          by judith fitzgerald
                          list: $14.95
                          our price: $11.96
                          you save: $2.99 (20%)

                          not yet available: you may
                          still order this title. we will
                          ship it to you when it is
                          released by the publisher.

                          paperback, 128 pages
                          published by inbook
                          publication date: november 1,
                          1997
                          isbn: 1550821903
sorry, if this is old news...

they also have the much talked about:

                           daughters of the moon, sisters of the sun :
                           young women & mentors on the transition to
                           womanhood by k. wind hughes (editor), linda
                           wolf list: $19.95 our price: $15.96 you
                           save: $3.99 (20%)

                           availability: this title
                           usually ships within 2-3
                           days.

                           paperback, 240 pages
                           published by new society
                           pub
                           publication date: november 1,
                           1997
                           dimensions (in inches): 8.93 x
                           7.91 x .54
                           isbn: 0865713774

there are also some reviews about this book at
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/isbn=0865713774/0540-5754222-774130

have a nice weekend!!
take care
and peace,
kathrin

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                    ...
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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 15:24:44 -0500
reply-to:     kristina d vaskys <cheesehed@juno.com>
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from:         kristina d vaskys <cheesehed@juno.com>
subject:      happy :o) vibes

you know, with all these people asking all of us to send happy vibes to
them for whatever reason.....i think we should send some happy vibes to
the list!! seriously, i think we all may be in desperate need of them.
especially since it's the holiday season when everyone is supposed to go
out of their way to be extra-special nice to each other (or, at least
that's what everyone *should* do, in my opinion. it would make the world
a much better place). at this point, we're practically fighting about
fighting....pretty silly, when you think about it. and besides, don't
forget that even when we have our differences, we've still got one
important tie that binds us all together.....i love how welcoming,
friendly, and understanding ig fans (usually) are. we're a group of
special people, guys! remember that.

in the words of amy and emily (actually, these aren't *their* words, but
they do sing them, so that's gotta count for something):

"come on, people now
smile on your brother
everybody get together
try to love one another right now."

(hey look, i even managed to sneak in some igc :o) )

so.....happy vibes to the list and warm fuzzies to all......or, as
sherlyn would say, happy happy everyone. :o)

back to my regularly scheduled lurking.....

love, peace, harmony, happiness, all good things, and, of course, indigo,
kristina :o)

* * * * *
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          hold fast to that languageless connection. " --emily saliers

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 15:32:31 -0500
reply-to:     indigo girls rule <klrosenb@wittenberg.edu>
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hi.  thanks to all of you who e-mailed me with suggestions about what to
do about that homophobic prof.  i'll keep y'all updated.  but this gets
worse.  so i decided i was going to talk to the chair of the english
department.  you know, i was all set cause that would be bad for him.  but
(get this!) i found out that the chair of the department is his wife!

what to do???

karen

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        --indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 15:48:10 -0400
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alright...this is the last post that these fast-typin' fingers are
making on this issue! one last statement and then nothin' but happy
thoughts...
to set the record straight...i love the indigo girls and that's why i'm
here....my post was not meant to cause any amount of friction, it was
merely an attempt to make the list better for everyone (although i do
know that it's also what one makes of it).  for those of you i
offended...sorry.  for those of you who found it enlightening and
empowering (yeah, you're all laughin'...i know, it was a joke!)...you're
welcome.
i believe that all of us on this list (young and old) should feel
comfortable sharing our contributions, and that's all i was after.  it
was a legitimate request...one that allows everyone equal freedom to
enjoy this list.  if that eventually happens, then maybe we won't have
to try so hard to remember why we joined it in the first place!

peace,(as opposed to my usual "take care!")
bethany ;)

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 15:53:22 -0500
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subject:      re: nigc- homophobia
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karen,
the world is full of assholes!
just be lucky that we have the precious few..
the fortunate ones
so to speak
meg

on fri, 5 dec 1997, indigo girls rule wrote:

> i am very disturbed right now.  i just got back from my literature class
> and i had a horrible day in there.
>
> i guess i just didn't know how homophobic the professor was.  anyway, one
> woman in the class started talking about homosexuality (not in a bad way,
> she was just talking about it).  all the sudden, this asshole, male
> chauvinistic, misogynist prof starts completly making fun of gays,
> lesbians, and bisexuals.  this goes on for a good 10 mins. or so.  a lot
> of people in the class were chiming in.  i was ready to get up and leave.
> he also assumed that everyone in the class was straight (think again,
> asswhipe.).  the class turned into a gay bashing session that made me so
> uncomfortable and angry and upset.  i can't even describe it.  it was just
> so terrible.
>
> after class this woman who i never really got to know apologized (she was
> not doing any gay bashing, she was just sitting there) to me.  i thought
> that was a nice gesture.
>
> i was just too scared to speak up or do anything.  i felt lousy amd
> intimidated, plus i am not completly out on this campus.  i am going to
> complain though cause i am so pissed off and insulted.
>
> last year i had some major problems with homophobia here (this is a
> conservative school, i am a far cry from conservative).  however it was
> mainly with a few students.  all of my profs and the administration
> stepped in to help me (i wrote an article for the paper about gay
> acceptence, never saying if i am gay or straight or bi, and got death
> threats!).  for some reason, i never imagined a prof to gay bash, even if
> that is how he/she feels, he/she should never instigate a gay bashing
> session in class.
>
> i am just wondering if any of y'all have any suggestions on what i can do.
> talk to the head of the dept?  confront the prof (which i'm scared
> sh**less to do)?  i am going to talk to my favorite prof later (she is
> really understanding, and last year when i was coming out as bisexual, she
> helped and supported me).  did any of you have any similar experiences?
> any suggestions or insight would be helpful.  thanks a lot.
>
> karen
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>         --indigo girls (emily)
>
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>         --indigo girls (amy)
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ok so i have a small little chad story,

after the umbc show i wanted a setlist and everybody swarmed sulli and i had
remembered his name being mentioned on the list so i screamed..."chad !!!" and
he turned around all shocked that someone called his name  and he came over
and i asked him for a setlist and he walked around the stage and said sulli
had given them all out, but he would try to go get some picks for us when he
was done, and then all these people came over, okay like 5, and i thanked him
but i walked away cause i had to go get anya who had a little
um...incident...beforehand. but he was very nice and very cool...

peace
sasha

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november 24
kdeis@phoenix.kent.edu (kellie deis)
happy 22nd, kellie!

november 24
michalack@nku.edu (andrew michalack)
happy 26th, andrew!

november 26
weenracer@aol.com (lisa)
happy 26th, lisa!
"i am an only child
born of the wild
riddled to spend my time
defending my land"

november 26
melsouth1@hotmail.com (mel south)
happy birthday, mel!

november 27
grnrgrrl@geocities.com (jeni saulino)
happy birthday, jeni!

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i fess up... i was present at the creation (of rock&roll)...just another
old fart...my first concert was chuck berry. still rockin'..but it does
my heart good to see women like the girls getting up and letting it all
hang out(metaphorically speaking)

marilyn ( who plans to start her second childhood while she's still young
enough to enjoy it)

i am a problem child- i've been wild all my days...(a.ray)

...still crazy after all these years.. (p. simon)

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these are for the month of december through january 5.  i'm leaving for
three weeks on the 14th of december, and i won't have access to the
birthday list then (but i might be able to still have listmail...working
on that).

also, if your email address has changed since when you first sent you
birthday listing to a bg, please let me know or you will be deleted from
the list (i'm checking it against the subscription listing from the
"review" command).

anna, bg the fourth
(and rather forgetful - sorry!)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

december 1
sms6@cec.wustl.edu (lethargo-man)
happy birthday, lethargo-man!

december 2
guinione@aol.com (chris)
happy birthday, chris!

december 3
boilrmkr@bu.edu (anjeanette milner)
happy birthday, anjeanette
"you said the world was magic i was wide eyed and laughing, we were dancing
up to the bright side, forget about your ego, forget about your pride, and
you will never have to compromise; you said good friends are hard to come
by, i laughed, bought you a beer, it was too corny to cry"

december 3
mhb@entelechy.com (monique barbanson)
happy birthday, monique!

december 9
squeeze@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (suzanne)
happy 22nd, suzanne!
"there i am in younger days, star gazing, painting picture perfect maps of
how my life and love would be..."
"and now i think of having loved and having lost, but never know what it
feels like to never love..."
"be on my side, i'll be on your side..."

december 12
jefrankel@ucdavis.edu (jill frankel)
happy birthday, jill!

december 12
webbc@eniac.seas.upenn.edu

december 14
s306089@student.uq.edu. (michelle paddy)
happy birthday, michelle!

december 22
sharney@smith.smith.edu (sue harney)
happy birthday, sue!

december 27
hdtx97a@prodigy.com (melissa s. gordon)
happy 36th, melissa!

december 28
han-esther@yale.edu (the babesther)
happy 24th to the babesther!

december 28
lbdraper@mhc.mtholyoke.edu (laura b. draper)
happy 20th, laura!

december 30
smurphy@juno.com (sundara)
happy 24th, o purple one!
"he said it's a long road to be forgiven..."
"when you're learning to face the path at your pace every choice is worth
your while..."
"they tell me i'll be the first to praise the sun..."

december 31
rcxsj@unix.ccc.nottingham.ad.uk (sharon jennings)
happy 27th, sharon!
"you said good friends are hard to come by..."
"dry your tears, don't be thinking grey is here to stay..."

december 31
oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu (susan marine)
happy birthday, susan!!

january 3
mccranie@ewir-wr.robins.af.mil (sherry)
happy 27th, sherry!
"when you learn to love yourself you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast..."

january 4
jedurant@vassar.edu (jennifer durant)
happy birthday, jennifer!

january 4
suthardj@southwestern.edu (jamsey)
happy 27th, jamsey!

january 4
wb000c0j@sega.com (anne moellering)
happy birthday, anne!
"it's just the london skyline, oh, sweetheart, telling me you're not
mine..."
"i've got dreams of imortality..."
"how long 'till my soul gets it right..."
"this is a message, a message of love..."
"the saddest sight my eyes can see is that big ball of orange sinking
slyly by the trees..."

january 5
chilepk@neog.com (patty konopka)
happy birthday, patty!
"and i wish her insight to battle love's blindness, strength from the milk
of human kindness..."

january 5
rucr57a@prodigy.com (rodney s. wicker)
happy birthday, rodney!

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on fri, 5 dec 1997, dana scully wrote:
> it was called neener-neener
no way!  that's what i call my cat.  my kitty has rock star roots?! ;)

> nude stage-diving
hmmm, i can see how amy's birthday-suit brawls could have some *serious*
detriments to the peace of a situation...

> the group disbanded in early 1991 after a series of
> lawsuits and private hospital stays.
(...but we can't talk about that *here*, ya know!...)

so as to avoid any confusion, i will  point out that i am fully aware that
this is in jest.  computers suck at conveying sarcasm.  hee.
jill

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> it was called neener-neener and included amy on lead vocals and guitar,
> our own miss binky on bass, susan badass marine on drums
> and deb rockin' reiser on guitar and backup vocals. their live shows
> were banned in 37 states because they often ended in moshpit brawls and
> nude stage-diving. they had one cd, "kotex understands", which sold a
> paltry 472 copies. the group disbanded in early 1991 after a series of
> lawsuits and private hospital stays.

this sounds like something i would really be intrested in....do you know
where i could possibly find this?

*********************
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  "patriarchy bites!"

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> as well.  i'm not sure a punk band is exactly what she would fit into (and i
> sure hope she never joins one!) but if she wanted to, she could definitely go
> for a more rock as opposed to folk style.

in a recent issue of watermark...oct. 16-29, 1997:
******snip-snip**********

"have you ever considered solo career?

es:  we think about doing individual projects or playing in side bands,
but we always have continued to work together.

ar:  yeah, i don't think we would separate permanently.  we are both very
polarized, so we take time off from each other and maybe jam in a band, or
play by ourselves.  and i've thought about doing a solo project for the
fun of it, and also for the challenge of doing all of the guitar work
myself, instead of leaning on emily for it.  but then i thought about who
would come in and play some guest guitar, and i couldn't think of anyone
except emily.  (laughs) so it was pretty funny, because then i thought,
"well, this would just be another indigo girls album!"

ar:  but we don't have time, either.  i would love to see emily do a
classical or flamenco album, and i would love to do a punk album, but
there is a big time constraint."

*****snip-snip*****

i love this section of the article....it's very cute.  :)

> love watching amy play the guitar with so much expression and movement.  and i
> also love how emily seems calm and relaxed throughout most of the shows.  i
> think this contrast in styles is what makes them such a perfect pair.

i agree totally with you....this the thing thing that keeps them
together..it's like they need each other for their contrasts....opposites
attract!

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hi folks...in light of all the recent negativity i thought it best that
we clear the air in here.  so i've got a sage stick burning and i am
currently surrounding my monitor with its cleansing smoke even as i
write.  i encourage everyone to take a deep, purifying breath, hold
it for a moment, and release any lingering anger and resentment.
now, doesn't that feel good?  we are really better than this.  truly.
remember that the same spirit indwells us all.
peace to one and all-nic

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i've held my peace long enough, but i just had to say something...

aha! you thought i was going to write about privacy, didn't you!

actually, i've been gone all day today but i just skimmed through digests and
haven't found a mention of last night's performance in ames, iowa. i've never
written a review before, but here goes:

the weather was awful and i know of at least one group of people who didn't
make it because of slippery road conditions. but i had bought the tickets as
soon as they went on sale, i had kept it a secret from my wife for so long,
and it had been years since we saw ig in concert -- so we went.

we missed the opening band because of the drive, but when we got there we
walked in, sat down, the lights went down and a&e walked on stage. i wasn't
close enough for a good style report, but amy appeared to be wearing black
jeans and a red button down blouse, and emily was wearing a white shirt and a
blue baseball cap.

i don't have the full set list with me, but i dubbed the concert so i can post
the whole list in order later if anyone is curious. ones that i remember (in
no particular order):

three hits
least complicated
romeo & juliet (amy rocks!)
get out the map (on my tape my wife leans over and says "biscuits for sale!")
shame on you
power of two
redemption song (emily on keyboards, _very_ cool!)
leeds
everything in its own time (snore, imho...)
scooter boys (which rocked, and led into another one which i didn't know, but
it talked about leaving a path of blood behind or something, so it might have
been excerpts from "the ballad of squeaky fromme" (i think that's the title)
that i've read about but never heard. very electric, very soc, and it fell
back into scooter boys at the end. any better ideas on what it was?)
chickenman (hot harmonica solo)

encore:
crazy game (a request, before which amy declined a guitar from her tech and
just sang while emily played -- it was cute, and emily marveled that they
still remembered it)
kid fears
closer to fine

the only disappointment was no dgtgag or tangled up in blue, which i had
really been looking forward to, but you can't have everything -- i was just
excited to be there!

random thoughts:
it was a very up set, and they seemed pretty pumped. emily said at the
beginning that it had been a great day, and it was good to finish it up here
in iowa (the ellen taping?).

the auditorium has no middle aisle, and amy said that she remembered the hall
and always wondered what someone would do if they had to get up and pee.

sara lee was the bass player (i'm guessing she has been all tour), but several
times amy turned to her and gave her the thumbs up or okay signs, so i'm
guessing sara was trying some new background vocals or something.

i was too far back to get picks or a set list or anything, and it was too f***
ing cold to wait for them afterward, but i thought it was a great concert!
further thoughts, anyone?

*********
paul zastrow
des moines symphony
221 walnut
des moines, ia 50309
515.243.1140
1-888-maestro
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if you know the mm list addy, please send it on over, i'd love to join!
    leah

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<****while watching "cut it out" and "shed
your skin" i realized that she could play in a punk band...she has what it
takes....****>

on the subject of amy and punk, does anyone else remember when the girls were
on that vh-1 show called the naked cafe? i have it on tape, and recall the
part where they're being interviewed at the nyc aquarium, and they got talking
about how in their music they are radically different from each other, how the
chords they are playing in any given song are completely different from one
another. and in a quiet reflection after that comment emily says something
like 'do you know anyone who plays punk on accoustic guitar? amy can.' if
anyone else remembers the exact quote- please correct me- but i recall that
they were well aware of amy's punk abilities. me? i don't really know what
constitutes punk, and when amy crosses the line into it. email me privately if
you feel the need to educate me on this!

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everything deb said.  anybody want my copy?

- lorie

>date:    wed, 3 dec 1997 10:26:08 -0500
>from:    deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
>subject: for sale: daughters of the moon, sisters of the sun
>
>i've finished this book, and while the ig interview was excellent, with a
>couple of good b&w pics, i don't consider it a keeper.  i bought it at
>amazon.com for $15.96 + $3.95 shipping
><http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/isbn=0865713774/0580-8502584-184489>.
>mine's still in mint condition, and i'm asking $15, including shipping.
>

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thanks y'all for responding to me about my assh**e porfessor.  just to
keep you updated, i have an appointment with the good (sympathetic)
professor on monday.  i want to do this in the "official" manner and she
is good about telling me where to go next.  i am really hoping to file a
sexual harassment suit or something.  and i do plan to go to the top to
get this resolved, even if that means barging in the president's office.
sadly, my school does not have much protection and support for gays,
lesbians, and bisexuals (not many policies, etc).  i plan to change
that!!!  after what happened to me last year, what is happening to me now,
and what happened to someone else, i think it is about time!  but thanks
again y'all! i'll keep you updated.
:-) karen

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"if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
        --indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
        --indigo girls (amy)

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east asian studies                                      political science
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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 20:40:01 -0500
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hey, does anybody have a wav of this?  less than 30 seconds or so?  please
e-mail me privately if you do.  my computer is having memory (or something
problems and i can't get real audio to work).  just wanna hear it.

- ld

>date:    fri, 5 dec 1997 11:13:49 -0500
>from:    all amerikan grrrl <swood@arts.usf.edu>
>subject: punk amy!
>
>recently at the concert in orlando at the hob, i watched amy play like i
>always do <ggg>....but this time while watching "cut it out" and "shed
>your skin" i realized that she could play in a punk band...she has what it
>takes....has she ever pursued this on her independent label?  also has
>anyone heard of the punk band sicko?  they did a cover of "closer to
>fine"...its real uppity - a must hear for all ig fans.

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hey all
hope this hasn't already been posted....
i was web surfing and found some new lilith (igc) video and sound clips!
just scroll down to the week's highlights and enjoy!
http://www.lilithfair.com/main.html
ds56@cornell.edu

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yes maam i would be interested in that

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 21:27:55 -0500
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my first concert was um billy whathis name..."will it go 'round in circles"
a soul rocker...geesh, they say the memory is the first thing to go...but my
last concert was live, second to last indigo girls, third last sarah
mclachlan, fourth ---lilith---fifth, live at hershey (my 14 year old was
crowd surfing in the mosh pit)  hubby says "billy preston"...at that time my
favorite music was al green, barry white, the stylistics, earth wind and
fire, jefferson starship, who, yes...beatles, hmmm  i was diverse back in
those days...

peace (i mean it to all you who were mad at me)   karen
ps can you guess how old i am????   lol

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 21:40:53 -0500
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hey tig,

private email me...haven't seen you post recently..high preistess of
um..i forget.

peace, karen  (just waiting anxiously by the mailbox :))

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hey folks-

in honor of good ig list vibe time - i offer up my own little take on
e's lovely song, "mystery" - which she has been quoted as saying is
actually "about a f___ed up relationship" - kinda weird to think someone
could/would write such an intensely beautiful song about something
f___ed up - but that's one of a plethora of reasons why i love ig.

anyway... occasionally i come up with a few alt lines of songs which are
currently running rampant thru my f___ed up head... and if i like what
i've come up with... then i just keep working on it... usually in the
shower (i take realllly long showers!).

back in 1994 - swamp o was running rampant...

"mystery" became... "sapphistry"

(with apologies to straight listers & anyone who might take offense)

-----
the chorus of "sapphistry":

     oh, i could come screaming on a night like tonight
     need a lover who won't put up too much of a fight
     when every dyke in the bar is a possibility
     where come-ons are heard and flirting is seen...

     would you like to spend the night with me?
     i think we could make love beautifully.
-----

it's pretty tame stuff compared to the rest of the song...
(e.g.: "oh, you like the taste of p__sy / it shines like beer foam on
your lips"). and the pirate verse... well... it doesn't have a pirate...
;o)

if enough folks are interested... i'll try to remember how the whole
nasty, little song goes and type it out to send.

that's my 2½¢ for the day.
not exactly positive and oozing with goodness... but, hey, whaddya
want... it's been a really, really, really, rotten, lousy week for me...
just be grateful *i* didn't start flaming again... poor sherlyn woulda
torn her hair out by now... <g>

:o)
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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 18:58:00 pst
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sorry for the nigc - but i just got this from dailydish and wanted to
share:

chart action

congratulations to shawn colvin who, according to the gavin 1997
year end chart, has the #1 adult contemporary song for 1997.  that
would be "sunny came home," from shawn's highly acclaimed
grammy-nominated gold album, "a few small repairs."

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 21:11:21 -0500
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hi all,
i just got finished watching this.  they called it "lilith fair- sarah
mclachlan
and friends".  this seems a fitting title to me.  it was *mostly* sarah.  she
had probably 3 or 4 solo songs, while there was only one a piece from shawn
colvin, jewel, meredith brooks, sheryl crow (forgive me if i'm missing
someone).
but the real hum-dinger is that the only ig was water is wide- with everyone
else too, and closer to fine- also with everyone else.  they didn't show
anything
that was just the girls.  i'm kinda disappointed :(  and if you saw the vh1
lilith special, then you saw the same performances of these two numbers.
so if
you didn't see it, you didn't miss anything spectacular, unless you're
interested
in more sarah (that wasn't on the vh1 or the ppv).

that's my report.  oh, yeah- they didn't even do big yellow taxi!  they closed
the show with c2f.

leigh ann

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 22:02:57 est
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ok, so let me get this straight--we dont like the people who pull strings and
get first row seats when they're not real fans, but we dont like the people
who sing to all the songs, either. as a veteran of alot of concerts, at least
when you think about my age (16), i have one thing to say: at least at ig
concerts, there's no moshing!!

erica

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date:         fri, 5 dec 1997 19:13:36 -0800
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i just watched the canada channel lilith fair special (twice). about half
of it was sarah m, but i didn't mind since i like her. some highlights
were... water is wide (and amy's hair was all messed up and she looked so
beautiful, sigh) with sarah and jewel. ice cream. rex the dog. sara lee
in her red shoes. amy doing her stick-the-tongue-out thing during closer
to fine after jewel did her yodeling. the other artists they showed were
shawn colvin, meredith brooks, sheryl crow (who looked like she wanted to
unbutton her shirt, really, she did), and jewel (obviously). i will trade
five copies of this show. anyone who has something to trade let me know.
i'm looking for the vh1 lilith fair thing ("smells like barbies"), ppv
lilith fair thing, older ig tv performances (i have all of this year's
performances of shame on you so don't ask), or any other goodies you have
of equal value.
-sam (who has the house to herself tonight)

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i don't know who originally mentioned it but.....for those of you out there
interested in seeing the marrotta brothers together....there's a picture of
them on this web page http://www.daveweckl.com/latest.htm

peace,

cathy

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hey all!
just a quick note about kacy crowley..ummm have any of you ever heard of
her?! when i saw the indigo girls at mt. stage w.v. kacy crowley was one
of the acts that played before they came on... i have to tell you, she's
one of the best performers that i've seen and from what i understand,
she'll be doin' lilith fair. i'm excited!
she's a really short gal..i'm talking, really tiny - she looks like
she's about 17, but i guess she's in her mid-late 20's (and married!)
...she is stinkin' adorable (and she's got a voice that could take your
head off...). it's her and an acoustic (at least that's how she did it
then...)and her music is really young...(the subject matter that is)
..she talks a lot about her "rebellious" years growing up.
at the end of the mt. stage show, all of the performers (danielle h.,
kacy c., terri binion, merrie amsterburg, i.g.)did a number together and
all the people had little lines to sing by themselves...amy's face was
beaming while this girl was singin'...it was then and there that i knew
she'd be doing lilith fair. :)
everybody look out for her...she kicks!

-bethany ;)

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just saw the cbc lilith thing.  it didn't have that much ig stuff,
mostly sarah stuff, interviews and performin'.  they played most of
river is wide with 2 others.  the show closed with closer to fine, which
was a plus and the highlight of the entire hour.
love,
sarah and carol  the chickenwomyn

p.s.  right now we are watching jcs - amy in early ninety overalls
weeee-weeeee

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i don't have your complete address anymore, so i can't write to you direct.
please e-mail me if you are still interested in the soy cd single, or i will
offer it to someone else.
thanks
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i don't have your complete e-mail address anymore, so i can't write to you
direct. please e-mail me if you are still interested in the soy cd single, or
i will offer it to someone else.
thanks
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the book i had is taken.  thanks to those who wrote :)
- ld

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>> it was called neener-neener
>no way!  that's what i call my cat.  my kitty has rock star roots?! ;)
>
>but jill, you don't have a cat!!!
(her cat is vary scared of people--i've seen it only seen it 3 times or
so out of many visits...thus, i call it inexistant)  ok jilly, you're
gonna be mad at me.  so are all ya digesters--sorry, i guess this is
irrelevant.  but heck i gotta let jill know that she has *no* cat!!

carol

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at 09:03 pm 12/5/97 +0000, kathrin siegmund wrote:

i followed the link below that kathrin shared with us to find out more
about the  daughters..moon...sisters...sun book.  they had ig links to
follow there, which i did, and in their ig merchandise list was "indigo
girls -gold", and audio cd dated 1994.  it was like $30 i think.  i may
just be stupid or something, but i don't think i know what this is.
i was hoping i could find a track list, but no such luck.  anyone know?

thanks,

leigh ann
>http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/isbn=0865713774/0540-5754222-774130

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date:         sat, 6 dec 1997 16:36:16 +1100
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hey folks,

>i have a big request...after reading about the ani list that posted only
ani-relevant comments, i wondered if there was any enterprising
soul....like maybe sherlyn or deb or jude or somebody :) who would
coordinate a mailing of things culled from this list that are strictly ig.
this would probably include things

i'd consider setting something like this up, certainly -
not until next year though, since i'm going away in just
a couple of weeks for a fortnight or so.  if someone else
wants to do it they're more than welcome. :)

sherlyn
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yeah, i was out here listening, oh yeah i was out here listening;
oh yeah i am out here listening all the time."    - dar williams

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subject:      ames show, mini review

ames, ia 12/4/97

the weather sucked.  there was good sized snow storm in central iowa that
lasted most of the afternoon.  luckily for most people they were able to
make it.  i did see several empty seats, even up close.

vonda shepperd (sp) was the opener.  i am not familiar with her music.
it was ok.  i would liken her to the female equivalent of michael bolton.
   the highlight of the opening set was when emily came out to sing on
one song.  cant remember the title though.  it was the first time that i
had seen e singing without holding a guitar or playing piano.  she seemed
a bit akward at first, but as the song progressed she started dancing
around a little.  it was a good song too.

on to the main event:

i won't try to remember the setlist.  just some highlights.

they opened with three hits.  i like this song more and more every time i
hear it.

pushing the needle / redemtion song.  yes the bob marley song.  just as
they finished pushing the needle, amy went into redemtion song.  this was
fairly early in the show.  it was not done in a reggae (sp?) tempo, but
in slower, more deliberate folk tempo.  i am still getting chills
thinking about it.

scooter boys / ??????? .  whoa?!?!?!?  what was that after scooter boys.
amy, once again went into another song after scooter boys.  i did not
recognize it.  it was very a heavy, rockin tune.  i think i remember
someone talking about hearing a new song when they snuck in for a sound
check a few weeks ago.... it made me think of this when she started
playing.  maybe it was the same song.  i wish i knew.

chickenman.  no stream of consciousness, just a stream of harmonica!  the
guy playing harmonica looked kind of like robert plant, they introduced
him, but i cant remember his name.  i had never been a fan of chickenman,
but this was the best rendition i have heard in the 4 shows i have seen.
amy did not 'sing' some of the verses.  it was more spoken or kind of
chanted.  cool.

this was the first show i have been at that i did not hear someone yell:
romeo and juliet.  but amy did it anyway.  i had never seen her do that
one live.  i love her rendition, it also had a few times when it was done
with that chant / spoken stuff.  really cool.  when emily finished leeds,
i knew  amy was coming out solo next.  i have never been one to yell
requests, but i almost yelled romeo and juliet!  i held back, just in
case she was going to do don't give that girl a gun.  i didn't want to
spoil it for her.

request time:  crazy game.  another one that i had never seen live
before, so i am glad that they convinced them to play it.

kid fears:  i know it has been discussed before, but i love it when the
crowd sings stipe's part.  last time i saw this done they were touring
with bfe and michael lorant sang his part.  they said something about
thanks for singing after it, so they must not mind the crowd joining in
for stipe's part.

other great sing alongs:  galieo; the na na in least complicated; the 3rd
verse that vonda was supposed to sing in ctf.  what an embaressment that
ig invites you out on stage to sing the 3rd verse of their encore.  first
mistake, she brings a lyric sheet.  then she misses her cue when sara
finishes the flutey thing solo.  the crowd did not miss it and we were
going strong, but amy cut us off and let vonda have another chance at it.
she got started, but then lost her place on the lyric sheet.  not to
worry, the crowd took over.  i don't think she even knew what to sing on
chorus!  there are a lot of great acts that open for ig that i would have
rather seen.  caroline aiken, wendy bucklew, mm, bfe just to name a few.


notibly missing:  ghost (my wife's favorite), don't give that girl a gun
(has this been done lately?????  i sure hope it is not another blood and
fire that we will never see amy do again.) mystery.

quick fashion bit:  emily was wearing the white rage against the machine
shirt.  cool.   that would be a great concert if they ever teamed up.
rage and ig.

enough rambling.   have fun in cedar rapids, all you luck iowans who get
to go again.

---derek


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hey folks, here goes... this is gonna be way long - don't say i
didn't warn you...

i think "mystery" is without a doubt one of the finest songs emily
saliers has ever written.  along with "the wood song", it's the
high point of "swamp ophelia" for me.  i don't think the placing of
these two songs next to each other was just serendipity - there's a
theme going on here...

musically, both songs have danny thompson's incredible acoustic bass.
lyrically, "the wood song" is about accepting that sometimes love
and faith (both religious and faith in friendships) really is enough
to get you through.  "mystery" is about accepting that sometimes even
the most improbable relationships can work.  plus, both songs are
perfectly executed - i wouldn't change a thing about either of them
if i could.  (okay, so it's a tenuous sort of thread, but i tried. :)

anyway, on to "mystery" itself - i never noticed it before, but this
song is actually in two tenses.  most of the song takes place in the
present, but the first few lines are in the past tense.  this puts a
whole new spin on the song for me.  here's how i see it -

in the first six lines ("each time you pulled down the driveway...
moved in and made my thinking crowded") the narrator is describing
the past.  obviously, the two people in the relationship are very
different.  one's the troubled sort, always on the road, actively
courting danger.  the other (the narrator) has a much more stable
and sunny nature.  in fact, i'm going to call her sunny from now on.
sunny has a lot of trouble trying to figure out this relationship.
i mean, this person is completely different from her.  neither of
them really understand the attraction.  and yet, here sunny is, with
someone setting up their place in her thoughts...

(side note 1: at this point i should note that i think both people
in this relationship are women.  but it's all a matter of
viewpoint. :)  i also don't think the relationship is fucked up,
just hard to understand.  but back to the song...)

in line seven, the song switches to the present tense, where it
stays for the rest of the song.  in fact, the whole rest of the song
takes place while sunny is sitting with her partner "out in the back
with the barking dogs"...

(side note 2: what exactly is an acoustic highstrung guitar?  is
that the instrument that comes in right before "i could go crazy"?
i love it!)

sunny obviously still doesn't understand the relationship ("why do
you spend this time with me?").  but i think she's starting to
question it less and to just have faith.  sure, it's a mystery.  but
on those long hot summer evenings, sometimes it really does seem
like anything's possible.  and your heart feels so full it seems
that faith is all you need...

(side note 3: i love the roches' incredibly subtle background vocals
in the chorus.  you hardly notice them, but their "aaaahs" really
add a lot of layers to the song.)

still, sunny's the questioning type.  she still wants to understand,
even though she's starting to see that she doesn't *need* to.  the
whole second verse is another attempt to understand the relationship,
by musing on the general nature of love.   what is it?  where does it
come from?  what if it leaves?  does the very fact that we can't pin
it down prove it exists?  why is sunny herself driven to try to
understand it?

(side note 4: you know, i can't think of one single other instance
of someone using "elude" in a song.  emily rawks. :)

(side note 5: i'm still not entirely sure i understand what "handed
down or made by hand" means.  anyone?)

(side note 6: i am in awe of jane siberry's vocals in the second
chorus!  especially her tiny little breathy "mystery" right at the
end of the chorus.  elusive is the word...)

the bridge ("but you like the taste of danger...") is more musing,
this time on the dark nature of sunny's partner.  she's obviously a
very passionate sort of person - the sort who likes to take risks.
sunny doesn't really understand her.  but she's starting to accept
that they don't necessarily have to completely understand each other
to be in love.  "not everything is better spoken aloud..."

the final verse is the crucial one, i think.  the pirate reference
is some kind of metaphor.  i'm not sure we're meant to entirely
understand it, but there's an obvious parallel to the people in the
song - the pirate's a risk taker; the other is a listener, like
sunny.  and then, in the final lines of the song, sunny finally lets
go.  "maybe all that we need is to meet in the middle of
impossibility" - she's saying, okay, it seems like an impossible
thing, us being here together.  but we are here, and it's a mystery.

and that's good.

(side note 7: jane siberry's vocals at the start of this verse sound
to me like the sirens in the ancient greek legend - seductive and
inhuman.  fits in with the pirate on a ship... incredible.)

general thoughts:
- i don't like jane siberry all that much in and of herself, but in
this song she's a complete goddess.  i say, again, a goddess. :)
- all i have to say about amy in this song is: perfect harmony,
all the way through.  both girls sound perfect, absolutely perfect.
- can you tell, i love this song? :)
- perfect.

okay, i'll stop now.  this got a bit long, sorry!
sherlyn :)
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yeah, i was out here listening, oh yeah i was out here listening;
oh yeah i am out here listening all the time."    - dar williams

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on one melissa list i just unsubbed to (because the listowner and listees
annoyed me for one, and for two, because the info only wasnt only melissa
stuff), the availability is there tho to make it only go to you if it has
indigo girls in the post. it will work i think! if people be sure and change
their headings when they reply. right? anyone know? it's just that someone
will post one thing about mel and then someone else replies saying, "oh that
reminds me, i have a spanish test today and my boyfriend broke up with me last
night, and my gosh, michael hutchence really is dead." obviously, the posters
have to do a little work, is this right or wrong sheryln??

michelle

in a message dated 97-12-05 19:08:42 est, u.pitre@tcu.edu writes:

<< i bring this up because i like getting information about the ig, but i do
not enjoy all the nigc stuff that inevitably gets into flaming. i have learnt
a lot from being on this list...and then again, it has gotten pretty out of
hand at times.

would others be interested? and more importantly, would somebody volunteer to
do this?
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i'd say it means about the same as "dictated or chosen".

handed down, ie, is some outside party, higher power, fate, shards of past relations (to shamelessly borrow a mellissa e. line) or some other outside influence, responsible for making this relationship what it is,
--or--
made by hand, ie, the two individuals crafted their own relationship using their own creative energy and their own inexplicable desire to make it happen.

another thought:  could "fare thee well" be about the same relationship?  lines like "you could only feed upon the things which feed a fire" and "had to burn itself up just to make itself alive" sound like the same kind of person who "likes the taste of danger".

an editorial comment, if i may.  this is just the sort of discussion/exchange of ideas i was hoping to find when i joined this list 2 weeks ago.  just wish it wasn't so buried amidst flame letters and nigc.  let's keep this good thing going!  : )

peace to all,
-barb
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(side note 5: i'm still not entirely sure i understand what "handed
down or made by hand" means.  anyone?)

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sorry for the waste of bandwidth but there seems to be a whole group of y'all
who like dar.  just wanted to let everyone know that she will be playing a
benefit for toys for tots at mars in bloomington, in on the 17th of december.
i do not know what time but i am pretty sure that is the correct date.  let me
know via private e-mail if anyone wants more info.
and sorry again,
carrie

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sherlyn wrote:

the other (the narrator) has a much more stable
> and sunny nature.  in fact, i'm going to call her sunny from now on.

doesn't "sunny" sound just like emily, herself?? ;)

> (side note 4: you know, i can't think of one single other instance
> of someone using "elude" in a song.  emily rawks. :)

i agree.  emily is one of the most intelligent songwriters!  she does incredible things with lyrics.  i love in "leeds" where she drifts into "nothingness...into 'withoutyouness.'"  such an awesomely clever term!

> the bridge ("but you like the taste of danger...") is more musing,
> this time on the dark nature of sunny's partner.  she's obviously a
> very passionate sort of person - the sort who likes to take risks.
> sunny doesn't really understand her.  but she's starting to accept
> that they don't necessarily have to completely understand each other
> to be in love.  "not everything is better spoken aloud..."

this reminds me of an article i read somewhere when swamp ophelia first came out.  they were asking emily the meaning of least complicated.  of course, in typical fashion, emily went into great detail explaining the deep meaning of the song.  on the other hand, when they asked amy the same question, she said, "man, it don't mean nothing!"  they were pointing out how completely opposite amy and emily can be from each other.  they talked about how while making videos, during a break for a set change, amy and emily sat down to wait and without a word, they picked up their guitars and softly starting playing mystery, like they read each others' minds.  then, talking about their opposite mind sets, they ended the article with "...standing at opposite poles, equal partners in a mystery."  i thought it was interesting how they used the song to relate to the girls, themselves!

and btw, i do think it's one of em's finest efforts!

mho,

toye

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( apologies if this is so old news that people can't believe i'm even writing
about it )

well i got my outloud benefit cd in the mail today from damron. it was $17.95
which included the $5.00 shipping and handling. here is the artist list

melissa ferrick
indigo girls (singing this train revised live acoustic version)
disappear fear
billy braggg
throwing muses
girls in the nose
the mekons
daniel cartier
everything but the girl
the jazz passengers
the billy tipton memorial saxophone quartet
judybats
u2
voice fram
the gretchen phillips experience
betty
y'all

it benefits the international gay and lesbian human rights commission and was
released in 95

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in a message dated 97-12-04 19:23:09 est, rob hite
<hiterj@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu> writes:

<<...ya know people, it's great to sing during the songs that should be
sung...
...this is proven in the numerous and countless times that we all have heard
amy and emily say "thanks for listening" to the crowd.  that's what they
appreciate. listen to 1200... >>

alright, i *have* to say something here. who says what songs "should" be sung?
i agree that the talking and yelling during shows isnt right...its annoying
and very disrespectful. however, when one is so overcome with emotion that
they feel the need to sing along, that is not wrong. i always thought it was
obvious how much the girls loved it when the crowed sung with them. am i
wrong?

love and stars,
*julie*

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~ emily saliers

dance, sing, laugh, sing...
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well, whaddya know?  6 a.m. and i'm awake!  hee!  okay, okay, it's just
cause i, uh, never went to bed yet.  <yawn>.... no, wait, i mean, yaay
all-nighters!!!  2 in a row so far and still goin'!  i love the american
education system!  uh, hmmmph.  i gotta think of some igc here... um,
let's see... okay, how 'bout this:  and i couldn't've done it without my
4.5!!!!  good?  okay.  i *do* have some *musical* content here...  sang
handel's messiah tonight... er, that would be *last night*.  and maybe i
was just having the sleep-deprivation gigglies, but there's this one
movement wherein handel wrote, "we, like sheep,...blahblahblah".  all fine
and good, he's doin' that we're-the-sheep-&-he's-the-shepherd thing.  but
i doubt he figured how it'd sound when actually *sung*.  here's how it
goes, live and on stage:  "we like sheep! blahblahblah%$@&*^%...we like
sheep!
aaaahhhhhahahaha!  i could not stop laughing every time we arrived at that
line.  <sigh>.  i can see the news story now:  'the halls of finney chapel
rang with appreciation for mutton friday night...'  yee hee.  is this
soundin' as funny to all y'all as it does to me?  yeah, i guess not.
okay, try this:  don't sleep for oh, say, 30 hours straight, then come
back and re-read this post.  *that*'ll give ya the desired effect!
feeling i ought to stick more igc in this rambling, let me share that i
discovered a copy of shades of indigo (for those of you who are giving
your computer screens puzzled looks, i'm talking about a 1990 interview cd
with the girls--shawn colvin interviewed them, and the format of the disc
goes interview chat-song-chat-song-chat-song (the songs being ones from
n*i*s, plus a coupla ones i'd never heard before--"melissa" and "daddy's
all gone"))at a used record store last weekend, for a paltry 9 dollars.
boy, some folks just don't know what they're throwin' away.  and some
folks don't know what they're gettin'--like me--uh, could someone tell me
if this is a rarity?  collectors-type-object?  coveted?  whatever.  now
that i'm certain i've made carol seethe with envy, i'm gonna go-- and
leave her to her anger.  just give up, hon, you're never gonna win.  i'm
the queen of ig memorabilia.  cope.  ;)
gonna go to sleep!---
jill

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okay y'all,

due to the overwhelming responses i received, this baby's getting posted.
however, it may take me awhile, so please be patient, the missoula
articles are forthcoming. i'll go out on a limb and project that they'll
be here by tuesday or wednesday, with any luck.

thanx,
amy m.

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               -the goddess, amy ray
"women together is a powerful thing. especially when you join it with
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"amy is the stuff fantasies are made of, emily is the stuff romantics
yearn for."
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i do!  i found this at coconuts for about 25.oo. it comes is a special box
and its a gold cd.  its the indigo girls indigo girls cd.  i am keeping it
for special. : )

hugs, karen

leigh ann horn wrote:

> at 09:03 pm 12/5/97 +0000, kathrin siegmund wrote:
>
> i followed the link below that kathrin shared with us to find out more
> about the  daughters..moon...sisters...sun book.  they had ig links to
> follow there, which i did, and in their ig merchandise list was "indigo
> girls -gold", and audio cd dated 1994.  it was like $30 i think.  i may
> just be stupid or something, but i don't think i know what this is.
> i was hoping i could find a track list, but no such luck.  anyone know?
>
> thanks,
>
> leigh ann
> >http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/isbn=0865713774/0540-5754222-774130
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i don't know about you all, but i can't help but to sing along...

away420 wrote:

> in a message dated 97-12-04 19:23:09 est, rob hite
> <hiterj@miamiu.acs.muohio.edu> writes:
>
> <<...ya know people, it's great to sing during the songs that should be
> sung...
> ...this is proven in the numerous and countless times that we all have heard
> amy and emily say "thanks for listening" to the crowd.  that's what they
> appreciate. listen to 1200... >>
>
> alright, i *have* to say something here. who says what songs "should" be sung?
> i agree that the talking and yelling during shows isnt right...its annoying
> and very disrespectful. however, when one is so overcome with emotion that
> they feel the need to sing along, that is not wrong. i always thought it was
> obvious how much the girls loved it when the crowed sung with them. am i
> wrong?
>
> love and stars,
> *julie*
>
> ***********************************************
> "...if yall feel like singin just...sing..."
>  ~ emily saliers
>
> dance, sing, laugh, sing...
> ***********************************************
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in a message dated 97-12-06 02:47:14 est, you write:

<< (side note 2: what exactly is an acoustic highstrung guitar?  is
that the instrument that comes in right before "i could go crazy"?
i love it!) >>

has something to do with the strings being higher than normal from the
fretboard.  makes it hard as hell to play.

<<(side note 5: i'm still not entirely sure i understand what "handed
down or made by hand" means.  anyone?)>>

to me, it's the good versus the bad in the relationship.  "handed down", that
would be not necessarily good stuff.  maybe it's baggage one or both of them
is carrying from past relationships.  and "made by hand" is the relationship
that they are forging together that does not include the baggage of the past.

or, i could be talkin' outta my @$$ again - it's been known to happen before.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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"i'm tigger," said tigger.
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hi fellow ig-listees!  :)

if any of you are interested in still getting the ani comments, but
would like a list more devoted to ig content then you could just
subscribe to the ani-list (nadc).  i've seen everything that's been
echoed here come through there in the digest.  it's not a largely
active list and you'll only get about 0-15k on average per day in
about 0-10 messages (i think i've only seen 10 messages maybe once
and i don't even get a digest everyday, or even every other day).

rather than change our format here we could just cut out the cross-
posting on ani (and other nigc artist information).  just keep this
list devoted to ig related posts and topics.

i like this list, even though sometimes people explode for a
while... it's still better to see the accompanying sets of
diverse opinions, music, age, etc.  variety is the spice girls
of life.

- rick

ps - i will accept flames for mentioning spice girls. :)  but, hey!
     it had to be done.  ehheeheh :)  "shake it to the left..."

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hey y'all!

i just woke up and am in the greatest mood!  i had the neatest ig dream
and i just have to share.

        so, i go with my best friend to new york because they are having a huge
gay and lesbian pride week there and this will be his first one and he
is afraid to go alone.  so, we get to nyc and because of his connectins
(he works in the tv industry) he knows alot of people and we find this
all gay apartment building where we can stay.  this makes him happy
because he is trying to meet people who are gay and make a lot of
friends, so we get this gorgeous room.  so we are hanging out in the
lounge, when boy george walks in.  (brief aside....i have a love for boy
george since my adoloescence that has never truly subsided.  i love him
and his voice)  so my best friend says "i met boy at a party about a
month ago and he was really cordial.  go introduce yourself."  so i go
up to him and tell him i am karrie and i am pleased to meet him, and he
is totally rude.
        well, my best friend and i go to our apartment, and then we see that
there are all kinds of public speaking events going on, so we decided to
hit some.  my friend sarah (who is a photojournalist) shows up because
she is covering the rally for the entire week as part of her job with
the washington post.  we all are hanging and we head back to the
apartment, and boy george approaches me to apologize and ends up telling
me that he heard that the ig were giving a concert in the conference
room of this same building to benefit the billings house.  so, i am
freaking out, i go early, and get my seat.
        the concert is rocking.  they are scheduled to play for 4 hours or
more.  i am so excited and i am about 5th row.  well, all of a sudden,
everything shorts out.  guitars fry, amps go, and there is nothing left
by jerry's drum kit and 5 portable mic's in the back.  so they bring out
the mic's and some tambourines and the mandolin and dulcimer, am and em
take a break, and jerry starts calling very demographically specific
people to come up and perform. we can performa any ig song we want to.
first he calls all freshmen guys wearing striped shirts to come sing.
they sing ctf. then he calls all people over 45 who have never been to
an ig concert before and are only there because someone else made them
come to come up and dance while sara sang.  i look up and there are my
parents.  don richards and his wife peg are also there, but i don't tell
on them.  ;)  then he calls other groups, none of which i belong to.
the whole time, amy and emily are coming out, singing harmony or dancing
or giving people instuments. finally, he says "anyone who has ever
written for a newspaper for more than a year" so i jump up and run for
the stage.  jerry tells us to say what paper and how long.  well, my
friend sarah wasn't coming up and i called her up on stage with me.
then i said that i had writeen for both college newspapers at the
schools i attended undergraduate, and all of a sudden, amy walks out and
says, "we want you to sing because you are the only one involved in
college media, and it is college radio and media that gave us our start.
i am going to accompany you on mandolin.  you can pick any of our
songs..what will it be?" and

i blanked.  i had no clue of any songs they sang.

the room was totally quiet.  amy and emily were looking at me like i was
insane.  there i stood, ig list shirt, ig hat, looking like i had been
to other concerts, and i had no clue what they sang.  all of a sudden,
boy george stands up in the audience, and starts humming the intro to
shame on you.  amy chimes in with the mandolin, and i start to sing like
there is no tomorrow.  when it is over, amy offers me a daemon contract.

then i woke up.

i need to lay off the cheez doodles before i go to sleep, huh?

peace-
karrie

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date:         sat, 6 dec 1997 10:39:18 -0500
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woah!  that is awesome that they did crazy game in iowa!  lisa, did they
see your sign?!  :-)
:-) karen

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bcorrice?

i don't have your complete e-mail address anymore, so i can't write to you
direct. please e-mail me if you are still interested in the soy cd single, or
i will offer it to someone else.
thanks
j---------
nigc............sorry

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sorry for the nigc but i'm looking for andrade???????

i don't have your complete e-mail address anymore, so i can't write to you
direct. please e-mail me if you are still interested in the soy cd single, or
i will offer it to someone else.
thanks
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ha ha, thanks karrie, for not telling on peg and i :)
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hey y'all -

my apologies if this has already been posted.  this was in the friday edition
of the atlanta journal-constitution.  reprinted without permission - all typos
are mine.

atlanta journal-constitution
living section -- peach buzz column
richard l. eldredge

"chance interview"

     how did fledgling local music magazine stomp and stammer sweet-talk
indigo girl amy ray into contributing the lengthy, insightful q&a with rocker
joan jett for this month's issue?  "i was at a joan jett show at the cotton
club about a year and a half ago," explains publisher steve pilon, "and i was
down front pogoing and looked over and saw amy pogoing next to me.  we ended
up dancing through the whole show together."  it took another chance encounter
- bumping into ray at an ani defranco gig at variety playhouse months later -
to secure the self-professed jett fan to do the chat.  says pilon: "amy just
called out of the blue one day and said, 'i'm having lunch with joan next week
in new york.'  about a week later, we got a 90-minute tape filled on both
sides with this great interview.  it ended up being the longest story we've
ever run, because it was so good."  the in-depth article traces jett's 1970's
punk beginnings with the runaways through her present-day position as
inspiration for a new generation of female rockers.  "amy's a closet rocker,"
declares pilon.  "maybe a lot of indigo fans don't see it, but both she and
joan share that rock sensibility."

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aahhhhh...meaty, in-depth discussions of indigo girls music.  ain't it grand?

mystery is the best song of all time.

a bit of a bold statement, but man, i believe it may be true.  it means so
much to me, and many are the hours i have spent dissecting each word and
explaining the song as i see it to unsuspecting victims of my ig fever.

(speaking of which...i turned on a friend to the girls this week.  i gave
her rop to start off on, and of course she loved galileo, ghost, etc.  she
said, "there's this one song where she kinda wails...i don't like it so
much."  i told her that was romeo and juliet, and don't worry, you'll like
it.  a couple of days later, she said, "know what?  i kinda like that romeo
and juliet song."  that amy.  she's insidious, she is.)

anyways, i agree with and have enjoyed all the discussion of mystery.  i
believe, too, that "handed down or made by hand" is analogous to "dictated
or chosen".  is love something put into our hearts by some divine being, or
do we put it there ourselves?  emily has summarized a complex,
make-you-think question in six perfect words.

something that hasn't been brought up (i think) is a&e's use of
countermelody and alternate lyrics in the song.  this is one of their
trademarks, and it is quite effective in this song.

emily:  "so what is love, then?  is it dictated or chosen?"
        amy:  "handed down, or made by hand?"
emily:  "does it sing like the hymns of 1,000 years, or is it just pop
emotion [great phrase]?
        both:  "and if it ever was there and it left..."
emily:  "does it mean it was never true?"

[here's the good part]

emily:  "and to exist it must elude..."
        amy:  "and to exist..."
emily:  "is that why i think these things of you?"
        amy:  "must i think these things of you?"

do ya see?  emily is saying, "and to exist it must elude... is that why i
think these things of you?"  or, "love only feels this way when it's just
out of reach.  if i actually 'caught' it, it might not be what i thought it
was."

amy is saying, "and to exist...must i think these things of you?"  or,
"these thoughts i think of you are so important, so central to me, that to
give them up would affect my very existence."

whoa.

and after singing two very disparate thoughts, they come together in
glorious harmony on "think these things of you".

mytery is a song that has time and place and personal meaning to me.  it
embodies what the girls can do to you...set up their place in your
thoughts, move in.  and we're glad to have them, right?

( all this is imho, of course.)

love, justin

p.s. -- don't worry about the address.  i'm using this account to answer
e-mails to santa at our newspaper.  i don't have a santa complex.  :)


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but you don't have to be an angel
to sing harmony

you don't have to be a child
to love the mystery

and you don't have to be a wise man
on bended knee

the heart of this christmas
is in you and me!
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>... "and i was down front pogoing and looked over and saw amy pogoing next
>to >me.

parden the tangental igc, but,
what the heck is pogoing?
i do want to be able to actually picture amy doing this!

deb de canada

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wow!  too cool!  does anyone have a copy of this?  is it on the web?  i just want
to read it!

dianne

cajaxon wrote:

>      how did fledgling local music magazine stomp and stammer sweet-talk
> indigo girl amy ray into contributing the lengthy, insightful q&a with rocker
> joan jett for this month's issue?  <snip>   the in-depth article traces jett's
> 1970's
> punk beginnings with the runaways through her present-day position as
> inspiration for a new generation of female rockers.  "amy's a closet rocker,"
> declares pilon.  "maybe a lot of indigo fans don't see it, but both she and
> joan share that rock sensibility."

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> ----------
> date:    sat, 6 dec 1997 08:20:22 est
> from:    ndygotiggr <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
> subject: re: musings on mystery
>
> in a message dated 97-12-06 02:47:14 est, you write:
>
> << (side note 2: what exactly is an acoustic highstrung guitar?  is
>  that the instrument that comes in right before "i could go crazy"?
>  i love it!) >>
>
        >has something to do with the strings being higher than normal
from the
        >fretboard.  makes it hard as hell to play.

actually, thats a guitar strung with high action. an acoustic highstrung
guitar (at least the one i played) is a 12 string with one string taken
out of each pair, the lower one in the octaved strings, so that the
result is higher than a normal guitar. a 12 string is normally strung in
pairs, so that you play two strings at once; the eadg are all an octave
apart in each pair, while the be pairs are identical. i've never seen
such a creature as an acoustic highstrung guitar that was designed that
way- six strings high to begin with rather than a bastardized twelve
string, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist. in any case, i'm pretty
sure thats what they're referring to.

sarah
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cicada16 <cicada16@aol.com> said
>ok, so let me get this straight--we dont like the people who pull strings and
>get first row seats when they're not real fans, but we dont like the people
>who sing to all the songs, either. as a veteran of alot of concerts, at least
>when you think about my age (16), i have one thing to say: at least at ig
>concerts, there's no moshing!!
>
>erica

yes! you've got it exactly right!!  the only people who are allowed to sit
up front, or stand up front during the whole concert so no one behind them
can see, or sing during the *appropriate* songs, or scream "amy/emily i
love you!!!" during the quiet bits, or crash the front row when they have
seats in the 2nd balcony, or win free tickets, are the *real* fans--and of
course we know who they are.
<<just to let everyone know--the entire first part of my post was typed
with tounge in cheek>>

but seriously,
1) does anyone know who the opener will be for the bloomington, in concert?
2) i *might* have one extra ticket to sell ($30.25), 6th row section b.
email me privately if you're interested.

anna in indiana
awhipkey@purdue.edu

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i just wanted to say thanks to everyone who wrote me w/an
answer to that question.  (boy, there were a lot of you!)  i should
have known it was a special edition thang, i guess it was late
and my brain was turned off.  but thanks to all of ya!

leigh ann

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okay, let's try that again...barnes and nobles

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i must have missed the initial post, but i saw that cd about a week ago in
barbes and noble here in tampa, i think it was around $30.00
kim

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what better way to procrastinate my studying for finals than to get
involved in a discussion  about one of my favorite ig songs? anyway, i
know i said before that it was me and my exes' "song", but oh, well. it's
still a good song.
i've always thought that *mystery* was completely about a first
love...that first feeling of "whoa...what's going on here?". (granted, my
opinion is a little biased, but here me out on this one.) the "each time
you pulled down the driveway, i wasn't sure when i would see you
again"...being in love for the first time is a scary thing (think back to
hs or college...) and sometimes you feel like your hold on it is very
tenuous, and that one day, it'll all just disappear.
and then, like a lot of first loves (except for my parents...wonder how
they managed that one) everything changes. people grow apart, and one day,
you realize that you're just not as in love anymore, at least not like it
used to be. and i think *mystery* is written form a vantage point of
*yeah, i was in love with you once, and a little part of me still is, and
i miss the way we were.* and a little bit of *how could all of that
emotion just go wawy like that?* think about it...
*so, what is love, then...is it dictated or chosen?
does it sing like the hymns of 1,000 years, or is it just pop emotion?
and if it ever was there and it left, does that mean it was never true?
and to exist, it must elude, is that why i think these things of you?*
the whole song reminds me of the night i spent looking at old prom photos
and movie tickets, remembering the wonderful rush of emotion that came
with everything we did, and kind of missing him, and feeling the way i
did, but knowing that everything had worked out for the better...
*i could go crazy on a night like tonight, when summer's beginning to give
up her fight, and every thought's a possibility...and the voices are
heard, but nothing is seen. why do you spend this time with me? maybe an
equal mystery* just my two shiny pieces o' copper...

meghan

*i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway...*

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i dont get stomp & stammer here.  could someone please snag a copy of this for
me when it comes out?  i love joan jett!

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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in the interests of starting a new thread, what is your favorite album
cover? and why? does it mean something to you?

my personal favorite is shaming. partly because i'm a doll collector, and
partly because everytime i look at it, i think how funny it is to have the
little dark and light haired dolls instead of a &e. plus i'm from the
desert so all the inside desert pics are cool. sorry if this has been done
before, but i don't remember it if it has!

luv
emily

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in a message dated 97-12-06 02:47:14 est, ndygotiggr writes:

> << (side note 2: what exactly is an acoustic highstrung guitar?  is
>  that the instrument that comes in right before "i could go crazy"?
>  i love it!) >>
>
> has something to do with the strings being higher than normal from the
> fretboard.  makes it hard as hell to play.

this is not technically true.  a high-strung (or "high-third") guitar's
strings are the same distance from the fretboard as a normally strung guitar
in standard tuning.  the difference is that some of the strings are replaced
with the thinner, higher-sounding strings from a set of 12-string guitar
strings (someone who knows more about this can elaborate on which ones those
are), so that by using the same fingerings as a guitar with standard
stringing you can get a very high, bright sound out of the guitar.  it's a
classic technique to use both a standard guitar and a high-strung guitar
together to give a richer, fuller, more complete sound than one guitar alone.

deanna
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hello all!
well, i was fortunate enough to attend both the dayton and columbus
shows...i can't believe they're both over!  anyway, i won't say much
about them since everyone has done a wonderful job reviewing and besides
it is way late! :) columbus was totally exciting--first i hear amy and
emily talking with jill about jill's sign and i was really excited-even
though i hardly know jill!  and then four girls i go to school with get
called up on stage to sing closer to fine!  (hi meaghan!)  so...with
that said did anyone boot these concerts?  i would love to have copies!
let me know!  you can email me privately at indigo_24@hotmail.com

becca

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i've seen on the list that the girls will be in the bay area at the end
of january.  does anyone know the specifics -- how many shows, venue,
dates, when tix go on sale, etc?  thanks!

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i personally think the sots cover is a bit scary.  i don't
think i would want a scary looking doll meant to be me on
my album cover.  my favorite cover, even though it's not
really an album, is the starter kit cover just because i
love that picture of amy and emily.  they both look
gorgeous, even if they do look serious.
                        stephanie

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i really don't know life at all"
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what is the starter kit and where can i get it???

love, karen

stephanie merhar wrote:

> i personally think the sots cover is a bit scary.  i don't
> think i would want a scary looking doll meant to be me on
> my album cover.  my favorite cover, even though it's not
> really an album, is the starter kit cover just because i
> love that picture of amy and emily.  they both look
> gorgeous, even if they do look serious.
>                         stephanie
>
> stephanie lynne merhar
> university of virginia
> indigo@virginia.edu
> http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~slm4b/
>
> "i've looked at life from both sides now
>  from win and lose, and still somehow
>  it's life's illusions i recall
>  i really don't know life at all"
>  -joni mitchell
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hi y'all.  i heard about somethink liek "you know you're obsessed with the
indigo girls when..." is somewhere on the web.  if someone could just
forward that list to me, i'd love you forever.  i need to send that to my
friend who always teases me for being too obsessed (and i am proud of it!)
:-)

:-) karen

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subject:      cd 101

hey all of y'all to whom i am sending tapes with the cd 101 show--i am
getting some of them sent out tomorrow, er, monday, but i just can't get
to all of them!  for those who are interested, i'm going to cuba tomorrow
on a mission trip of sorts to bring medical supplies and stuff like
shampoo that is hard to get in cuba because of the embargo.  so.....i
thought i could get to the boots before i left but the response was
crazy--i'll definitely have them to you by christmas though cause i get
back on the 17th.

and just to add to the singing debate--i was so aggravated in dayton
because i was high up in the seats and couln't hear the girls because of
all the people singing!!! i had to go stand in the aisle during ghost
because i wanted to hear emily!  just had to vent.
see y'all later!
peace,
beth
who isn't packed yet and needs to fit in like 1000 toothpaste boxes. erg.
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                                             >
yaay
>all-nighters!!!  2 in a row so far and still goin'!  i love the
american
>education system!  uh, hmmmph.  i gotta think of some igc here... um,
>let's see... okay, how 'bout this:  and i couldn't've done it without
my
>4.5!!!!

i
>discovered a copy of shades of indigo
>that i'm certain i've made carol seethe with envy, i'm gonna go-- and
>leave her to her anger.  just give up, hon, you're never gonna win.
i'm
>the queen of ig memorabilia.  cope.  ;)
>gonna go to sleep!---
>jill
>
hey babe...who bought you that 4.5?  huh?  who couldn't find it anywhere
near her, so carol had to come to the rescue, and buy her one.  who, oh
yeah...carol bought jill her 4.5.  whatever...i'll just relinquish your
gift, if you like. seethe, seethe

carol

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hey, i like this thread!!

i'd have to say that the indigo girls album is my favorite cover. it's just
really cool & besides, it made me get this huge crush on amy. and i'm a gay
man!! ;-)
i love the way emily's face is half in shadow, though- i think it's really
beautiful. :)

i also love the inside cover of rop- the light & shadow on amy. wow- oddly
enough that was the first ig cd i had & i *totally* thought that amy was emily
& that emily was amy... i was seriously confused when i finally saw them
singing & realized that i was wrong. :)

speaking of mistaken identity- i already e-mailed someone this story, but the
other night i got this call from my dad, telling me to turn on my tv- i did so
& saw that it was... the spice girls.  i'm like, "dad!! i can't deal with
these chix!!" he says, "but i thought they were people you liked--- didn't we
see them in new orleans?"  yes, my dad confused the indigo girls with the
spice girls.

will somebody help me get rid of the body?  ;-)

finally- someone had the coolest sig from the movie say anything & i wanted to
write it down so i could remember that, since i finally left my evil job &
will now have to respond to people asking me what i wanna do with my life- it
was just so very appropriate... please e-mail me privately & i'll be yer best
friend!!

peace,
  rick
*they mostly come out at night. mostly.*

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sorry to bother everyone else, but i got a message asking if people could
go ahead and send their boots since i'll be out of the country--it is
fine to send them because the p.o. is holding my mail til i get back.
that's all!!! see y'all.
peace,
beth
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ok, carol says her fave cover is the self-titled cover 'cuz i just think
the girls  look dreamy.  its so perty.  i also love the back of nis,
'cuz of that shot of amy w/lots of air in her mouth w/ her arms open
wide (to hug me, of course).  those dolls scare me...but thats just me

sarah says:  oh boy!!!  i like the cover to "back on the bus y'all"
its kinda fuzzy, but it gives the appearance of motion.  can't miss the
back 'cuz amys got the rose in her mouth, an em's got the cute late 80's
early 90's hair goin on.


>in the interests of starting a new thread, what is your favorite album
>cover? and why? does it mean something to you?
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well, it's not technically an album, but i really like the cover of live
at the uptown lounge.  it just captures a&e in all of their intensity,
which is at the root of what they are all about.  plus, i like the shot
of amy's tattoo -- very nifty!  but as for real album covers, i'd have to
go with indigo girls . . . the shadows are perfect:  both the light and
dark sides of everything.

love,
carolyn!!
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i've gotta go with nomads indians saints....hmmmm...the front cover is
rockin...and the back, well that's self-explanatory :)

-bethany ;)

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hello all!
     just wanted to chime in a bit, and say that i really like the nis cover.
mostly because of the abstractness of it that seems to capture the girls
perfectly, an because i love the back..like someone said earlier, with the pic
of amy flailing her arms...(a fabulous tattoo shot i must add!).
     also...someone said that the "starter kit" was their favorite.  i do
think they look beautiful in the picture, but i dont think it really captures
"them".  it seems more like the professional pic that it is...and sort of
distorts who they appear to be through their music etc.  i dunno...just my
thought...they do look great in the picture!
k...thats all...
peace, and indigo dreams!
~meaghan

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okay, i'm gonna make this a quick one...

but it struck me (perhaps because emily was sitting right in front of me
while performing the song?) that right in the opening verse of
"leeds"... (they'd started the smoke machine) and she coughed!!  yep,
right while singing... i felt so bad for her cuz the smoke was getting
to me... and i'm a smoker... i can't imagine trying to sing in all that
smoke!

i just thought of it... and i hadn't remembered anyone mentioning it
before.  (my apologies if they did and i missed it!)  but, i had to stop
and wonder if the girls are doing the smoke thing as part of the show or
if it was just the venue folks who decided to do that?

oh, well, just an observation!  hey to all we met at the show! (you know
who you are gang!)

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hey all...this is my first time to post, even though i've been a list
member for about 3 weeks now.  i never felt like posting anything 'till
just now, partly because i haven't had anything to say 'till now, and
partly because i kinda wanted to get to know the list a little bit before i
posted.  anyway, the girls have been my all-time fave band since 1991, when
they were playing ctf on vh-1, and i was a senior in hs.  unfortunately,
i've only been to one concert (berkeley, july 1997), and it was so cool to
actually lay my own eyes on them!!! about the singing, i kinda feel bad for
the people next to me, 'cuz i had to sing, i just couldn't help it!! i plan
on going to every single concert i can from now on, and hopefully i'll get
to see some of you ultra-groovy people there!
as far as my fave cover, i actually like the back of sots.   em just looks
radiant, and amy is having way too much fun. it's a great shot!
well, that's enough from me...peace out

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i would have to say my favorite album cover is swamp ophelia.
when i first got it i spent alot of time just looking at the cover instead
of reading the lyrics.  i love that mona lisa like smile on amy's face.
it's a bit devilish at one angle but innocent and angelic at another. emily
looks as if she is far away thinking of little snippets of life,
experiences and just stray thoughts arising out of no where.
and i love those little toadstools growing out of the floor.
fellow list member,
heather      (hi ali)
"i wish i was a nomad, an indian, or a saint" -amy ray

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for those having difficulty finding/buying, "daughters of the moon,
sisters of the sun" can be purchased on-line thru the amazon bookstore.

www.amazon.com

they'll ship it out within a few days of your order and they are real
nice.  hope this helps.

melissa

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hey all you wonderful guy and gals!!
my friend, emily and myself (ok,ok so both of us were blessed with that
wonderful name- it won't be too hard to remember at least!)are both planning
on attending the baigl bash.  we had a couple questions for y'all:

1.)  is anyone allergic to any type of legumes?  (i.e. chic peas, hummus, soy,
peanuts, etc.)
2.) would y'all be interested in tasting some yummy yummy asian dish(es)?  (we
happened to aquire some wonderful recipes from the japanese teacher here at
school....)
3.)  what are favorite vegetables?
4.) any veggies that people just can't deal with or are allergic to?
5.)  any other food allergies or major dislikes????
6.)  of course- any requests?
thanks soooooo much girlies and guys!
just let me know by friday so i can get all the yummy ingredients.  i'm
leaving school saturday and will be away from my comp. for quite some time.
i'll be home (or in the vermont, new york city, or florida areas) until jan
6th when i return to school.  hopefully i will have access to aol within those
times but until i am sure, i'm going to put my lists on hold.  also- does
anyone know how to put the baigl list on hold?
so let me know as soon as possible!  thanks guys!  see you in a week!
in faith-
em

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>in the interests of starting a new thread, what is your favorite album
>cover?

rights of passage.

>and why?

it's one of the few really good pictures of amy, plus the picture reminds
me of a friend of mine that i have lost track of.  i haven't seen her for
about 3 years and have looked/phoned everywhere.  she was a special friend
and looking at that cover reminds me of good times past.

>does it mean something to you?

yeah.  above.  :)  my friend's name was jenny white.  if any of you know
where she is ... please forward me her e-mail, or give her mine.  :)

- rick

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not me !!!
i want all of the crap !!!!
:)
the more crap the better !
bring it on baybeee !!!!
in fact i'll start it off with this post ! ha !

(hee)

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        should you decide to accept this mission, you have until 12-10-97
noon (cst) to answer these questions.  please reply by private email to
<tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>.  the money categories are *just* for fun!!!!!
i'm not shelling out $1,000's...

*categories*   musical instruments, decatur, lyrics, the band, grab bag

musical instruments

$100    jane scarpantoni plays it on 1200c.?

$200    amy has opened "dead man's hill" soloing on this instrument?

$300    ig guitar caper usually on this fret?

decatur

$100    the u.s. state decatur lies within?

$200    musical tavern run by eddie owen?

$300    ig manager, who offices in decatur?

lyrics

$100    it "moves from the inside, out" and "never grows tired"?

$200    there'll be cider on the roadside up near this southland city?

$300    amy and emily both wish they had written this "wild ..." tune?

the band

$100    of emily and amy, she always plays stage right (to the spectators
right)?

$200    name of amy's guitar tech?

$300    two words which end most live performances of ig songs?

grab bag

$100    name of multi-instrumentalist on shaming tour?

$200    emily grows these?

$300    he currently plays the harmonica on chickenman performances?


good luck folks!

double trivial jeorardy (practice) next thursday.

tony

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3 days till the bloomington concert! so...tell me...who's gonna be
there?!

-bethany ;)
*this is a really dumb question, but can someone tell me how ta' do my
signature?!  i'm clueless.... :o

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hey doolittle! here's my attempt at yer questions...a couple stumped me.
don't i feel dumb?! ;) are we supposed ta' answer all of em?!  ah
well..i'll do it anyhoo ;)

cello
melodica
ummm.... 2 (that's a guess!)

georgia
eddie's attic
russel carter

love
helen
ummm...horses (another guess..)

emily
sulli
thanks ya'll!

sara lee
shit...i dunno...flowers?! (ya' got me!)
dave ellison (or is it allison?!)

okey doke..that's my valiant effort...i feel so good inside! ;)

-bethany ;)

doolittle wrote:
>
>         should you decide to accept this mission, you have until 12-10-97
> noon (cst) to answer these questions.  please reply by private email to
> <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>.  the money categories are *just* for fun!!!!!
> i'm not shelling out $1,000's...
>
> *categories*   musical instruments, decatur, lyrics, the band, grab bag
>
> musical instruments
>
> $100    jane scarpantoni plays it on 1200c.?
>
> $200    amy has opened "dead man's hill" soloing on this instrument?
>
> $300    ig guitar caper usually on this fret?
>
> decatur
>
> $100    the u.s. state decatur lies within?
>
> $200    musical tavern run by eddie owen?
>
> $300    ig manager, who offices in decatur?
>
> lyrics
>
> $100    it "moves from the inside, out" and "never grows tired"?
>
> $200    there'll be cider on the roadside up near this southland city?
>
> $300    amy and emily both wish they had written this "wild ..." tune?
>
> the band
>
> $100    of emily and amy, she always plays stage right (to the spectators
> right)?
>
> $200    name of amy's guitar tech?
>
> $300    two words which end most live performances of ig songs?
>
> grab bag
>
> $100    name of multi-instrumentalist on shaming tour?
>
> $200    emily grows these?
>
> $300    he currently plays the harmonica on chickenman performances?
>
> good luck folks!
>
> double trivial jeorardy (practice) next thursday.
>
> tony
>
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i have to say my fave coves is nis also.  (well, that is my fave album
altogether, but that's besides the point).  i love the painting, and the
explanation for it given in "watershed" (the documentry, not the siong),
and yes, the back of it...well, i love the fun shot!

i got my copy of "daughters of the moon..." (sorry, i am lazy) today!  woo
hoo!  i found it at a small bookshop in yellow springs, ohio.  i bought 2
copies, one for me (yes, i am selfish :-) ) and one for a friend of mine
who loves the girls, and loves women in general.

i plan to read it cover to cover tonight!  but now i am meeting someone
for coffee!

:-) karen

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mmedido wrote:

>  not me !!!
>  i want all of the crap !!!!
>  :)
>  the more crap the better !
>  bring it on baybeee !!!!
>  in fact i'll start it off with this post ! ha !
>
>  (hee)

me too!  i wanna be full of it!  oh wait.  i already am.   ;-)

dianne

charter member - bulc naf  yknib ssim

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on sat, 6 dec 1997, emily d. mark wrote:

> in the interests of starting a new thread, what is your favorite album
> cover? and why? does it mean something to you?
>
> my personal favorite is shaming. partly because i'm a doll collector, and
> partly because everytime i look at it, i think how funny it is to have the
> little dark and light haired dolls instead of a &e. plus i'm from the
> desert so all the inside desert pics are cool. sorry if this has been done
> before, but i don't remember it if it has!
>
> luv
> emily
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my personal fave is "swamp ophelia". can't say as i know why. i guess just
because it's my favorite album and it's the first one i got, so it has
sentimental significance. plus, the picture of a&e on the front is very
cool. not to mention the pics of them stomping the guitar on the inside.

amy m.

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hey all~

        with responses coming in quickly to the trivia game, i can already
see that i'll need a "judge" or two to referee "close calls".  any
volunteers?  -- deb reiser, sherlyn, jen lucero, darren g., anyone????

doolittle -- da indigohead formerly known as da chickenman

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hi all--
i just finished re-viewing one of my favorite "lesbian content"
films, _all over me_.  it's now available for rental, and is
worth a look.  it's got good music too--michelle malone
contributed a song to the soundtrack, with other tunes courtesy
of ani difranco and patti smith.

for you k.d. lang fans: watch it to see leisha hailey (k.d.'s
recent, and maybe still current, love interest).  leisha's the
one with the pink hair. :-)

mostly it's worth seeing because it portrays teenage women as
strong, self-aware people (what a concept).

lee
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i just remembered this was supposed to be a 'group thing', so here's the dialogue:

barbara l. basaj wrote:
>
> the title:  how about "shades of indigo"?
>

bethany wrote:

> i like your title idea...hmmm...we
> should keep it in mind :)

jill certo wrote:

>  ...let me share that i
> discovered a copy of shades of indigo (for those of you who are giving
> your computer screens puzzled looks, i'm talking about a 1990 interview cd
> with the girls--shawn colvin interviewed them, and the format of the disc
> goes interview chat-song-chat-song-chat-song...


ok, so i guess shades of indigo is already taken.  how about "pretty pretenders"?

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in a message dated 97-12-04 00:35:29 est, you write:

<<  i sing in the sing alongs, everyone should. >>
really though, what constitues a sing along?  does power of 2?  if the people
whose favorite songs happen to be galileo are lucky enought to be able to sing
during their favorite sone then why couldn't i sing during love's recovery?
that song has meant more to me than any other and i would sing it with the
respect that it deserves granted, but i don't think that you can regulate
which songs people are "allowed" to sing to.  basically the bottom line is
respect, for amy and emily as well as the people around you.  i don't think
that one should sing so loud that the whole venue can hear, but i do beleive
that if someone is moved and inspired that they should not be forced to sit
doen with their moutgh shut through the entire concert.

this spring i went to 2 concerts in 2 days.  knoxville and atlanta.  knoxville
was gen admin and we were in the very front.  me and about 50 of my high
school/college friends.  i don't think that our eyes were ever diverted from
the amazing women on stage.  and we all sang.  the energy was incredible.

in atlanta 2 days later we were seated at a table way up in the top of
chastain park.  only to notice thhat the peoele around us were mostly older
and seemed much more interested in the wine they were sipping than anythng
going on onstage.

i much prefer a crowd who loves and knows the girls enough to sing along with
every song than one who could care less who was on stage.

only what i've experienced.
jennifer

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please send information on upcoming concert dates on the west
coast.(specifically eugene,or.)  send to mojumbie@juno.com

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i received in the mail today from the most wonderful person on the planet (you
know who you are)..........

the original     indigo-label

strange fire record

with high horse instead of get together

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

i just had to scream and be excited amongst people who would understand why.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
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okay, here's my take on mystery:
i've heard more than one mention of the fact that emily said that this was
about a f***ed up relationship and that fits a little better with the view i
have of this song.  i think that it's hard to believe that this song could be
about anything more than a perfect love that occurs between two opposite type
people, just because it's soooo beautiful. but here goes:
i think that it's about a relationship between two people -- one the wandering
type (which i believe we've already established) and the other the more
dependent and somewhat obsessive, more the "waiting around" type.  we've all
seen this, right?
"each time you pulled down the driveway i wasn't sure when i would see you
again."  a bit insecure regarding the nature of the relationship.  when will
the wanderer be back around?
"you set up your place in my thoughts, moved in and made my thinking crowded"
this seems to be referring to an obsession.  she can't get this other out of
her mind, even if she wants to.  not sure about the barking dogs reference.
"my heart the red sun" (aflame? a glowing ember?) "your heart the moon
clouded" (ie, hard to read)
[personal note -- i don't know how the weather goes in georgia but the night
she is talking about reminds me of those first cool, windy nights that i love
so much. it's hard not to feel the romance or mystery on these nights!]
"every thought's a possibility" -- this other is present and that may be all
that matters at this time.  the much longed-for "relationship" is the
possibility.
not sure about the voices
"why do you spend this time with me maybe an equal mystery."  here is this
amazing and fascinating and adventurous other -- is it a bit of insecurity on
emily's part, or is it that she doesn't understand if the other is there
because she (i'm assuming) loves her or just because she enjoys the time they
spend together and will soon move on?

"so what is love then, is it dictated or chosen? (handed down or made by
hand)"  this -- and this may be the social scientist in me coming through,
because it has always sounded to me like a nature/nurture reference -- but
this i always have just thought of as the question of "can we control who we
love or are we a slave to our emotions?" we experience what we call "love" in
a biological, chemical sense, definitely. but how much control do we have over
this whole process?  once someone has captured our attention  and made us feel
these strange feelings we describe as love, can we decide if someone is an
"appropriate" partner, or is the attraction to this wandering other something
that cannot be helped?
but... i like justin's explanation better.  he says that "handed down" and
"dictated" refer to a divine being.  i actually would prefer to say "fate"
over "divine being."  so are we "destined" to love someone or can we make the
decision to end a relationship that is emotionally unhealthy.  this makes more
sense i think. (sorry, justin, i accidentally deleted the letter so i can't
copy your explanation).
and i have noticed, as justin pointed out, that amy sings "and to exist must i
think these things of you." i really like that and i think it goes along with
the obsession theme.

and to further confuse things, i also really like what tigger, high priestess
of amyism, had to say about this:
<to me, it's the good versus the bad in the relationship.  "handed down", that
would be not necessarily good stuff.  maybe it's baggage one or both of them
is carrying from past relationships.  and "made by hand" is the relationship
that they are forging together that does not include the baggage of the past.>

"there must be 1000 things you would die for/i can hardly think of two/but not
everything is better spoken aloud/not when i'm talking to you."  obviously a
reference to the enormous passion of this other, but i could never shake the
thought that this other is one of the things that she would die for, but she
can't say so because, well, remember how i said we've all seen (or been in, i
suppose) relationships like this? she can't tell this other exactly how she
feels because it may be interpretted as an attempt to secure the relationship
or make it into more than it might be... does this make sense? sorry if i
can't put it into words too well.  kind of like when you're not sure if you
should use the word "love" because the other person might not think it is?
okay nevermind...

okay, on to the pirate -- she's enthralled as she listens to the tales of this
"wanderer," but let's not forget she was captured... this part has especially
always led me to think of the whole thing as being a bit dysfunctional.
so what about the last part -- "maybe that's all that we need is to meet in
the middle of impossibility"  most people who have commented on this have
thought that it was about faith in an improbable relationship, and it might.
but, keeping in mind that emily has said that it's about a f***ed up
relationship, i think that it either a) reflects her optimistic thinking at a
particular point in time, wanting to make the relationship  work, hoping it
will work, or b) means to take the time together for what it's worth, enjoying
every moment of "impossibility" made real, equal partners in the mystery.
also kind of f***ed up because she loves this other so much and wants so much
more, but has to settle for the few moments that she can get because of her
wandering nature. (too many female pronouns but you get it, right?)

okay, this was much longer than i had planned. hope it makes some sense and is
not just wasted space. can we do language or the kiss next? :)

molly o+

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i'd have to also go with swamp ophelia for my favorite cover...i dig the way
the picture is put together.  maybe i'm biased, because so many of the songs
hold a pretty deep place in my mind and heart (or because i was a lit. major
and the scene on the front just seems to spring from a thousand books i had to
read, only its amy and emily instead of whichever hero and heroine...somehow a
picture i needed to see at the time.)

peace,
shelley
(who's still gloating over finding belloluna, kacy crowley, garrisson starr,
reversing hour, danielle howle, and six other cool people's disks in the $1.99
bin at streetlight today...gotta love it!)

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and if you like leisha (the babe) in the movie, you might want to check out
her band, the murmurs, who have a cool cut on the soundtrack, "sqeezebox
days":   "hey, babe, can you stay the night/so i have something to talk about
tomorrow".  saw them in san jose with like 20 other people in the
audience--grrl-pop/punk/country, and they were all nice enough to personally
autograph a poster after the show.  yee-haw.

shelley

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hey folks,

michelle suggested:
>on one melissa list i just unsubbed to (because the listowner and listees
>annoyed me for one, and for two, because the info only wasnt only melissa
>stuff), the availability is there tho to make it only go to you if it has
>indigo girls in the post. it will work i think! if people be sure and change

do you mean, you can set it either to receive either:
a) every single post; or
b) just the posts with "indigo girls" in the topic?

that sounds like a good thing.  unfortunately, though, the
list server program we use (listserv) doesn't support that
sort of programming...

i do think the idea of reviving the old news-only list is
a pretty good one though!  if no one else wants to do it
i'll look into starting it up again in the new year...

:)
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first of all,
apologies.......it was brought to my attention that i had neglected to
give a reference for the excerpt of the interview in which emily
explained the mystery pirate image.....lifeblood article
30611,conducted by kirstin reeve....sorry about that
  next,... somewhere in the list,someone once mentioned that there was
an indigo buddhist connection.id like to make the claim that i believe
it is more of a tao thing.demonstration:
    1.  'for everything i learn,there are two
       i dont understand..'

      -'the more you know,the less you understand'
                                   tao te ching

    2.  'everything in its own time'

      -'there is a time for being ahead,
        a time for being behind;
        a time for being in motion,
        a time for being at rest;
        a time for being vigorous
        a time for being exhausted;
        a tiime for being safe,
        a time for being in danger.'
                              tao te ching

     3.and finally,my favourite!!!
        'hate me cause im gay,truth of
         the matters comming out one day..'

       -'true straightness seems crooked'
                              tao te ching

thats all.i love you.........shu
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hey folks,

lots of "mystery" stuff here... it may not necessarily be too
coherent, sorry - i'm really tired...

toye gillman asked:
>doesn't "sunny" sound just like emily, herself?? ;)

no, don't be silly - for one thing, "sunny" has two syllables and
"emily" has three. *grin*  but yes, i think we all mostly agree
that most ig songs are probably autobiographical in some way.  but!
maybe not.  sunny is *probably* emily but she could be someone else
entirely... you never know. :)

which reminds me - i find it kind of metaphysically weird that amy
and emily are listed in the credits of the movie "boys on the side"
as the "indigo girls".  because right at the end of the credits
they have the standard disclaimer that "any resemblance to any
person living or dead is pure coincidence" etc etc etc... does that
mean amy and emily aren't real??  that their resemblance to
themselves is a coincidence?  hmm...

>i agree.  emily is one of the most intelligent songwriters!  she does
>incredible things with lyrics.  i love in "leeds" where she drifts into
>"nothingness...into 'withoutyouness.'"  such an awesomely clever term!

emily does have a bit of a tendency to make these words up,
doesn't she?  she even uses "blindsided" as an adjective at the
beginning of "mystery" - very cool.  i mean, not something i'd
use in everyday conversation, but cool nonetheless. :)

barb basaj said:
>another thought:  could "fare thee well" be about the same relationship?

well, "fare thee well" was actually written quite a few years
ago.  wasn't emily performing it solo on the "rites of passage"
tour?  or am i hallucinating?

speaking of "fare thee well" - i just have to say that i think
"brief brilliant miracle dive" is one of the most beautiful
phrases ever written.  yay em.

justin said:
>amy is saying, "and to exist...must i think these things of you?"  or,
>"these thoughts i think of you are so important, so central to me, that to
>give them up would affect my very existence."
>
>whoa.

whoa, indeed.  all the times i've listened to this song,
and i'd never, ever thought of that.  way to go justin!
i guess i always just figured amy was singing the harmony
line and left out some words in order to make her part fit
better with emily's...

molly said:
>her mind, even if she wants to.  not sure about the barking dogs reference.

i think the barking dogs go with the voices that are heard
while the people are never seen.  sometimes on those hot slow
summer evenings it seems like sounds just hang in the air.
the sounds of dogs barking, other people out in their
backyards sitting around talking... the sounds seem to travel
a long way.  to me at least this is a wonderful image of summer.

>"my heart the red sun" (aflame? a glowing ember?) "your heart the moon
>clouded" (ie, hard to read)

i was thinking about this some more today.  why the *red*
sun?  why not yellow?  if you think about it, the sun's really
only red at sunrise or sunset.  since the song's set on a
summer evenings, it's probably sunset.  maybe it's just me
but emily's use of the red sun image (rather than yellow)
seems to indicate that "sunny" might have some lingering doubts
or fears about the relationship... maybe that's why she keeps
questioning it?  and maybe that's why she sounds so sad when
she realises that she can "hardly think of two" things her
partner would die for...

>but, keeping in mind that emily has said that it's about a f***ed up
>relationship, i think that it either a) reflects her optimistic thinking at a
>particular point in time, wanting to make the relationship  work, hoping it
>will work, or b) means to take the time together for what it's worth,
enjoying
>every moment of "impossibility" made real, equal partners in the mystery.

that was re the line "maybe that's all that we need..."

hm, you could be right.  the use of the word "maybe" makes it
very ambiguous.  does emily mean "maybe we just need to keep
on doing what we're doing", or does she mean "maybe this is
what we need to do to make this work"?  personally, i like the
first option... i guess i'm an optimist deep down. :)

>not just wasted space. can we do language or the kiss next? :)

sure, why not. :)

happy happy folks,
sherlyn
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okay, i finally saw "chasing amy" last night and am still
very disturbed.  i figure somebody will know the answer to
this : when holden is sitting on the couch alone (or maybe
with banky, i don't remember) after he yelled at alyssa,
there's a song playing...a woman with a great voice is
singing...anybody know who that is?
                thanks and sorry for the nigc,
                        stephanie

stephanie lynne merhar
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my friend and i were arguing over the meaning of "the wood song".  i think
iremember discussing this, so i don't want to waste the space, but if
someone could e-mail me about that one, that would be great! thanks y'all

:-) karen

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< do you mean, you can set it either to receive either:
  a) every single post; or
  b) just the posts with "indigo girls" in the topic?
< that sounds like a good thing.  unfortunately, though, the
list server program we use (listserv) doesn't support that
sort of programming...

yes, exactly!!  there's digest, bounce, or info-only. and i'm almost certain
the melissa list i just unsubbed to was listserv...jeez i could be
wrong...anyone else on the sue paudano melissa etheridge list for teens and
young adults?? i just unsubbed (i'm not a teen or a young adult anyway), but
someone else might be able to find out if that list is on "listserv"

michelle

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        well, i always thought that lotk was kind of along the same lines
as mystery . . . so let me give this one a try and maybe it'll make
sense.
        i think the opening line has to do with the speed that life
moves, esp when she is always on the go.  she isn't sure where she's been
. . . i hate to go so far as to say disillusioned, but i can't think of a
better word.  "there was a table set for 6 and 5 were there . . . " that
seems like the whole, she was more dedicated, and the other person was
just *there* kind of deal, but now it seems like she is the one who is
waiting around.
        i've always loved the line "laughter like a language i once spoke
with ease" . . . it seems like that totally captures the feeling of one
emotion, love, being all-consuming and being what is on your mind at all
times.  i guess i relate to that personally, but it is where you used to
be the optimist, but now that your mind is fixed on one thing, it takes
over your life and you change.  no longer do you have that smiley,
laughing outlook because you are too busy thinking about the
ramifications of everything else.  she is, in fact "made mute by the
virtue of decision" and worried that the relationship that she is so
consumed with is going to move on without her.  (of course that puts her
back to the wandering one when earlier in the song she seemed like the
obsessed one, but hey, i never claim consistency!)
        i've always thought that the reaping the praise of strangers and
ending up on her own part had to do something with a hint of underlying
insecurity.  she is so involved in this relationship, but she fears that
instead of following her heart she may end up going out and pleasing
everybody else instead of herself.  in effect, she'd be compromising
herself, when she knows full well that she is all she's got (didn't janis
joplin say that?).  the "all i've sown was a song, but maybe i was wrong"
line . . . i've never been too sure, but i'll go out on a limb and guess
maybe she thinks that her emotions are misplaced . . . but i'm not sure.
        another line that i adore (there are so many) is the "next 10
years unfolding" one.  that seems to me to be a cry for some sense of
security, esp since her life is ever-changing.  but the other person sees
that life is all about change and uncertainty, and that without that
there is nothing left.  then she knows that the person cares, giving her,
i think a renewed hope.
        oohie, now i get to my absolute favorite part of the song . .
.the thrill!  ok, so i think she has the nostalgic feeling about how
things used to be.  looking at the sky through the ceiling could mean a
lot of things, but the sky is basically the unknown and the future, and
they used to share their innermost thoughts and dreams, and she says that
she used to try to imagine what would become of things (kind of like
unfolding the next 10 yrs?), especially concerning love ("the alphabet of
feeling").
        she goes back to optimism, realizing that joy and pain are both
inevitable, and i think that the line "the sound of the voice these years
later is still the same" has to do with keeping friendship alive, even if
the romantic relationship dies.  she wants that stability, and the voice
of a friend provides that, no matter what she's been through.
        i know emily wrote the end of the song in a hotel room in another
country, and my take is that seeing the empty sky gave a feeling of
loneliness.  all people can see the sky no matter where they are, but the
vast emptiness of it on that night probably made her feel like there was
nobody there for her . . . no voice to reassure.  she is alone and has
time to think about exactly what is going on, trying to place her
feelings into the music (along with the "all i've sown was a song" line?)
and thinking about her fears that the relationship will end.
        she is yearning for the sense of something meaningful in her
life, but she sees that the most meaningful things are not always the
most external material things . . . which leads to "unforgiving the
choice still is the language or the kiss".  i think she is torn between
external gratification and the false sense of stability, or the deeper
emotional attachment that seems to be fading on her.  on one hand she
knows that the internal stuff is what matters, but she also wants to be
stable.
        so, that is what i think, though i could be totally wrong.
basically it's an internal vs external conflict, whether she should move
on into scary territory or pretend that she has something when really it
is not all there.  should she compromise herself for immediate
gratification?  she sees both sides, which must make it even harder.
sometimes thinking is the worst thing you can do . . .
        sorry this is so long . . .

love,
carolyn
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hi y'all,

thanks steph for the first thread that i actually read every message of
for a long time. couple of things ...

amy is a big fan of the clash, possibly the best british punk band and wears
a husker du - warehouse t-shirt on the back of nomads, indians and saints
(as i've said before, that puts it next to my copy of warehouse when my
records are in alpha order). listees have both asked about warehouse and
complained that it's too noisy. i'm not surprised that she is seen as
the proto-punk in the igs. when i asked her if she thought that ig fans
would be surprised that she lists the clash and husker du among her favourites,
she caught me out by getting me to admit that i like them too. but i don't
think i'm a typical igs fan if messages to this list are anything to go by.
i can't recall who actually said they _dreaded_ the thought of amy joining
a punk band. i'll defend the statement that liking husker du is not typical
of an igs fan - i also subscribe to the wedding present list (who? seminal
english indie band - very loud and fast - they're currently debating how
to describe the weddoes in a finite number of words) and the contrast in
atmospheres between the two lists is massive. this is a loving, peaceful
list where flaming is seen as not on at all. the weddoes list is always
full of quite abusive language, slagging off other bands, etc, etc.

anyway, amy's music is the way it is partly because she likes rock and punk
and i wouldn't want it any other way (usually).

definitions - punk was originaly what became garage/indie. it's the scene
that the replacements (another amy favourite) and rem came out of. punk then
mutated into the glam/artifice of the sex pistols and the new york dolls.
thank goodness the stranglers and the clash managed to survive without
becoming the bloated parody the pistols did. with these bands came the
pogo - basicly jumping up and down furiously, sometimes accompanied with
real or pretend head-butting (can't see our amy doing that though). out of
70s punk came people who found a way back towards folk, like amy and billy
bragg. the plastic punks became new wave, like the police and the undertones.
rem, husker du and iggy pop were exploring the loud and rough territory
still and although rem got progressivley folkier and iggy pop got bluseier,
husker du laid the ground work for nirvana, hole, and even green day.


ok, rant over. hope that helps some people who were asking about this aspect
of the igs.

johnd

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to all who loved my prideflag-i changed the tune with it now,got as
close to a ig song that they had via sara lee it's loveshack! enjoy!
                         karen

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i sent my interpiation ages ago to the list i think i stil have it ill
send it to you

on sun, 7 dec 1997, indigo girls rule wrote:

> my friend and i were arguing over the meaning of "the wood song".  i think
> iremember discussing this, so i don't want to waste the space, but if
> someone could e-mail me about that one, that would be great! thanks y'all
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> :-) karen
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i've always heard language or the kiss as the struggle between remaining
grounded in the familiar and following your passion.  the familiar, in this
instance, is the love and solidity of home, friends and family, which is a
comfortable "language".  the passion for her music, for writing from her heart
and then sharing it with the world by traveling and performing and receiving
the adulation of strangers, is the "kiss".  she worries that by choosing to
pursue the "kiss", she loses the ability to speak the "language"...the lives
of her family and friends go on largely without her.  she is afraid that she
might be risking everything that really matters in life to chase this dream,
and that she might wake up from the dream someday to find that she has lost it
all - that the adoring strangers/fans have gone, but that she can't
go home again because she no longer shares their "language".  but the voice of
the "kiss" that has always called her is still insistent, and she continues to
answer it for now, knowing that although it brings her great joy, it will
always be a source of pain - at least of the pain caused by the uncertainty
she feels.

great discussion about mystery, btw...molly, justin and sherlyn really
captured everything i've ever though about the song - definitely one of my
favorites.

maureen

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sherlyn wrote:

she realises that she can "hardly think of two" things her
partner would die for...

i think that when she say the line "i can think of 1000 things you would
die for, i can hardly think of 2"  "sunny" is sort of feeling inadaquate
that her partner is so passionate about everything, but she can hardly
think of two things that she, herelf, would die for.  she doesn't
understand why someone so passionate as her partner would love someone
like herself who doesn't have all these things she would die for.

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i like 1200 curfews because it doesn't show them and as much as i do like them i
think they are more about music .  i think it shows that.  i'm not saying i don't like the
covers with them but it just hit me that i liked this one.

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thought id repost this since it was asked abotu

many folks have asked what this song means nad you knwo i was listenign to
it today and it dawned on me what it means i will now translate it for
you<g<
mind you its not all thought through but you will get the jist


the thin horizen of a plan is almost clear my friends and i have had a
hard time brusing our brains hard up agaisnt chainge of all the old dogs
and the magician
okay this i part i dotn really know <g> but id guess tryng to find a plan
a way throgh a ever changing life

now i see were in the boat in 2 by 2s only the heart that we have for a
tool we could use and the very close quarters are hard to get used to love
wieghs down the hull with its wieght but the wood is tired and the wood is
old and well make it fine if the weather holds and if the weather holds
then well have missed the point the point thats where i need to go

this is where it starts to make sense in the boat 2by2 that life we hook
up with another  only the heart that we have for a tool we could use
menaing we hook up someone because of the heart the boat is the analogy of
the boat upon lifes troubled waters and love weighs down the hull with its
weight because with love comes commitment nad with that responsibilty the
wood isnt really wood its our body and souls we are tired havign been
though alot in our lives nad we will make it if the weathe holds we think
not realizing that this storm will actually put us where we need to be


noway construction of this tricky plan was built by other then a greater
hand with a love that passes all our understanding watching closely over
the journey yeah but what it takes to cross the great divide takes more
then all the courage i can muster up inside but we get to have some
answers when we reach the other side the prize is always worht the rocky
ride then the chorus agian which ive explained already
this is where  it really clicked in for me
this passage is about god built by other then a greater hand  with a love
that passes  all our udnerstanding no way construction i kinda dont
understand nless it relates to the second part of this which is about
death crossing the great divide which is death takes more then all the
curage i can muster up iinside which is folks fear of death  we get some
answers on the other side ie when we pass over  least we think we do the
prize is always worth the rocky ride this could mean the peace that comes
with death
and as i said the wood isnt wood its yoru body or soul

sometimes i ask to sneak a closer look skip to the final chapter of the
book and maybe steer us clear from some of the pain it took to get us
where we are this far but the question drowns in its futility and even ive
got to laugh at me cause no one gets to miss the storm of what will be
just holding on for the ride then the chorus agian

it all comes together here<g> this clinched it for me sneak a closer look
skip to the final chapter of the book euphisms  for using tarot cards
oujia boards anythign to see the future psychis to try to bypas some bad
stuff that might be coming  the question drowns in its futility cause no
one gets to mis the storm of what will be is simple she laughs at herself
bcause you cannot escape yoru destiny just holding on for the ride menaing
ill take it as i come and hang on and ride it through


wel thats my interpitation i hope you liek it any questions<g>
hugs nathony van pyre

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>         i've always thought that the reaping the praise of strangers
and
> ending up on her own part had to do something with a hint of
underlying
> insecurity.  she is so involved in this relationship, but she fears
that
> instead of following her heart she may end up going out and pleasing
> everybody else instead of herself.  in effect, she'd be compromising
> herself, when she knows full well that she is all she's got (didn't
janis
> joplin say that?).  the "all i've sown was a song, but maybe i was
wrong"
> line . . . i've never been too sure, but i'll go out on a limb and
guess
> maybe she thinks that her emotions are misplaced . . . but i'm not
sure.
>
i've always thought that this whole bit refers to being a famous
singer/songwrtiter and we would be those strangers who praise her.in
the end,despite all the appreciation from fans or maybe even as a
result of too much of it,she is left estranged.she writes a song,or
sows it,
but what does she reap?......an applause at the end of the show?as
paradoxical as it seems,being a famous musician is lonely.i would say
that its about her decision to become a professional
musician.again,paradoxically,she is made "mute by the virtue of
decision".by doing this,she has abandoned an emily that lives a
private life,like most of us,for a stage emily.alone in a hotel room
on tour as opposed to at home with steam on the window from the
kitchen...take note.....
14.3. what is "language or the kiss" about?

emily has never directly explained this song, but the common
consensus among fans is that this song is about choices.  more
specifically, that it is about having to choose between a musical
career, especially one that involves a lot of touring ("language"),
and a "normal" life at home with family and loved ones ("the kiss").

above is an excerpt from the indigo girls faq part 3 by sherlyn.
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> carolyn e turett wrote about lotk:

> "there was a table set for 6 and 5 were there . . . " that
>seems like the whole, she was more dedicated, and the other person was
>just *there* kind of deal, but now it seems like she is the one who is
>waiting around.

i like your interpretation.  i always read this line and "i'm made mute by
the virtue of decision" together to mean that the speaker had broken up
w/someone, the person who was supposed to be there in that 6th chair, and is
feeling sad about the loss as she realizes that "most of [her ex-lover's]
life" is going to go on without her.  because the speaker is the one who
initiated the break-up, she can't complain or really voice her sadness.

my .02
:) lisa


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okay folks,here's a crazy little interpretation:

lets say,emily             st             empty chair
looking at                 ea                   __l         :)
          my                  l  l
                           wi
                           nd
                           ow


well then,wouldnt that imply that the empty chair owner,person number
6 and emily are one and the same?
doesnt the emily's life go on with out her in a sense?
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*categories*   musical instruments, decatur, lyrics, the band, grab bag

musical instruments

$100    jane scarpantoni plays it on 1200c.?

$200    amy has opened "dead man's hill" soloing on this instrument?
melodica
$300    ig guitar caper usually on this fret?
you mean capo?   i'll take 2nd fret, for $300.
decatur

$100    the u.s. state decatur lies within?
georgia
$200    musical tavern run by eddie owen?
flying biscuit
$300    ig manager, who offices in decatur?

lyrics

$100    it "moves from the inside, out" and "never grows tired"?
love
$200    there'll be cider on the roadside up near this southland city?
helen
$300    amy and emily both wish they had written this "wild ..." tune?
wild horses
the band

$100    of emily and amy, she always plays stage right (to the spectators
right)?
emily
$200    name of amy's guitar tech?
chad
$300    two words which end most live performances of ig songs?
thanks, y'all!
grab bag

$100    name of multi-instrumentalist on shaming tour?
sara lee
$200    emily grows these?

$300    he currently plays the harmonica on chickenman performances?
dreaded dave the guitar tech

good luck folks!

double trivial jeorardy (practice) next thursday.

tony

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the back cover of nis gets my vote.  they just look so friendly & open & relaxed.  i don't know what's with amy's facial expression, but ya gotta love the arms wide open.

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i don't really have any interpretations to give on this song, but i got
really scared the first time i heard the echos in this song (quiet
little back-up "laughter" etc.).  i was constantly listening to the tape
jill made me this summer on the walkman my parents gave me for
graduation.  i couldn't hardly sleep without listening to it.  well, it
was really quiet, so i could hear the echos, and i got scared.  i almost
cried i was so scared.  i don't know why, i just did.  i just kinda
panicked and then continued enjoying the tape.  funny little mood swing
or something.  i guess it was heightened because the walkman is so
intiamate, like i was trapped with the scary voices.  now a & e don't
frighten me, just the back-up thing.  but, i am a strong person, and i
bounced back, and i can still listen to the song.
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i thought "language or the kiss" was about having to chose between your
love and your career.  i could be wrong, but i think i heard emily say
that it was about her own life, being on the road all the time vs. having
relationships.  i don't remember, but does this sound right to anyone
else?
:-) karen

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i've had to take my personal interpretation of "language or the kiss"
down a notch to be able to appreciate it for myself. being a famous
rockstar is just not something i can relate to on a personal level.

i see lotk as having to choose between having a romantic relationship with
someone versus and intellectual one. the love (the kiss) is more likely
destined to
eventually destroy itself, leaving alone and in pain, but the friendship
(the language)
may endure and you will have a lifelong companion with whom you are close
and share so much.

in choosing "the language," however, you give up all the emotion and passion
and "rights of the girlfriend" as it were, of having a romantic relationship.


"there was a table set for six, but five were there.
i stood outside and kept my eyes upon that empty chair."

"i'm made mute by the virtue of decision.
i choose most of your life goes on without me."

these line represent her pain after having chosen "the language" over "the
kiss." she would rather be "the girlfriend" inside at the table, but has instead
made the virtous decision to keep the person close as a friend. she is no longer
an intimate part of their life, and most of their life "goes on without
her." she's
lost the closeness of the person as a love, and must now deal with the fact
that she is "only a friend."


the rest of the song goes on to explain the pain she is feeling in the wake of
her decision, and maybe she even starts to regret it a little. she
remembers their
times together when they _were_ lovers, and tries to recapture that feeling on
her own.
"when we last talked we were lying on our backs
looking up at the sky through the ceiling.
i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway
trying to read the greek upon the stars,
the alphabet of feeling."


her pain is raw and her decision still torments her. although intellectually
she understands that having someone around as a friend is better than having
a ruined love relationship, remembering their times together as lovers is very
painful, and she starts to miss the person.

"mercy what i won't give
to have the things that mean the most not to be the things i miss.
unforgiving, the choice still is the language or the kiss."


just a thought ...
cathy

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just holding on for the ride"
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"i'm finding my way home from the great escape"
-- peter gabriel

"you laugh and laughing fall apart"
-- phish

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in a message dated 97-12-07 04:24:44 est, you write:

<<
and i have noticed, as justin pointed out, that amy sings "and to exist must
i
think these things of you." i really like that and i think it goes along with
the obsession theme. >>

i beleive it is,
"if it ever was there and it left does it mean it never was true.  and to
exist it must elude.  is that why i think these things of you."

i alwyas thought this was more of a philisophical musing on love as in the
dictated or chosen thing.  i mean, the second part kind of refers back to the
wandering other person who is i guess rather elusive herself.

i'm not going to really go into it now though.  i've been on this computer way
too lang the last 2 days.

but i do vote for language or the kiss nxet..
jennifer

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okay, this is one of my absolute favorite songs! when emily sings the a
capella part at the end and a hush comes over the entire crowd, i just get
chills! but, alas, after 6 concerts this year, still no live lotk.  so... i
have to get it out of my system this way!! thanks to everyone for picking up
on my suggesion so fast!! i went to bed at 5am and got up to find lots of
really deep replies.  all whilst i was slumbering... okay, here goes:

i had heard that this song was about a particular relationship (versus the
entire "home" scene) that didn't work out because of all the time spent on the
road, etc., and whether or not this is true, i think it probably has
influenced the way i have though about this song.
"lately waking up i'm not sure where i've been"  this is about touring, being
in a different city every morning.  the striking thing about this is it
reminds me of a very childish reaction to waking up in a strange bed. remember
being 7 or 8 and spending the night at a friend's house and waking up a bit
disoriented because you were so used to the security and sameness of waking up
in your own bed? that, for me, anyway, faded after i got a little older and
had spent more nights away from home, but maybe she had this in mind, like she
had given up a very childish sense of security and a very predicatable, stable
life for life on the road.
"there was a table set for six and five were there/ i stood outside and kept
my eyes upon that empty chair"  i had originally thought that this meant that
the "other" was missing, but of course if emily is standing outside, she is
the one missing.  could be that she's outside physically, looking through the
window, or metaphorically.  she might actually be sitting at the table in the
"empty" chair, feeling like an outsider.  the laughter that she once spoke
with ease is now somewhat of a foriegn language, maybe because of the time
spent on the road and all that she has not been a part of.
"i'm made mute by the virtue of decision" -- literally means that decisions,
by their very nature, make one unable to speak.  this is from shuffa nasser:
<i would say
that its about her decision to become a professional
musician.again,paradoxically,she is made "mute by the virtue of
decision".by doing this,she has abandoned an emily that lives a
private life,like most of us,for a stage emily.alone in a hotel room
on tour as opposed to at home with steam on the window from the
kitchen.>
"oh the fear i've known that i might reap the praise of strangers and end up
on my own" -- success for a musician means this lonely life on the road and
she acknowledged this before she chose this path, but she probably had some
hope that she could make a relationship work along with her career as a
musician.
"all i've sown was a song but maybe i was wrong"  fear that maybe she has
chosen the wrong path.

"i said to you the one gift that i'd adore/ unwrap the package of the next ten
years unfolding/ but you told me if i had my way i'd be bored." it seems like
emily is saying to this other person that she wants security and stability,
and maybe even talks to "her " about her doubts and indecision, but this other
is saying, no, i know you, and you would be unhappy with this life and if you
gave up what you have worked for.
"right then i know i loved you best born of your scolding"  she loves this
person even more for "her" ability to know emily so well, and for having the
insight and wisdom and unselfishness to say, "i love you, but this is what
you've worked for and, as much as i want you here, i know you won't be happy."

one of my two favorite lines:  "when we last talked we were lying on our backs
looking at the sky through the ceiling" (amy, in perfect harmony, "looking at
the sky, looking through the ceiling :)  this is so cool to me -- they are
maybe lying in bed, but not seeing a "ceiling." instead they were seeing the
sky and off into eternity.  maybe this reflects one of the moments when she
was content only to be with this other, and when they were maybe making grand
plans for the future (you know how sometimes you're caught up in those moments
where you both forget the limitations of your particular relationship and talk
about things that, were you to allow reality to enter, you know would never
happen?).
"i used to lie like that alone out on the driveway/ trying to read the greek
upon the stars/ the alphabet of feeling"  this sound like it was before this
other came along.  she was trying to capture something that was missing and
that this other provided for her, maybe.  this other person helped her to
translate the greek.
"oh i know back then/ it was a calling that says if joy then pain" with
success would be loneliness.  we've all heard the stories about how it's
lonely at the top, right? especially when success would mean touring, etc.
but it was a "calling."  that's pretty powerful.
"the sound of the voice these years later is still the same"  the calling is
still there maybe?  or is it the "if joy then pain" part that hasn't changed?
probably both.

"i am alone in a hotel room tonight/ i squeeze the sky out but there's not a
star appears"  i like this, from carolyn:
<i know emily wrote the end of the song in a hotel room in another
country, and my take is that seeing the empty sky gave a feeling of
loneliness.  all people can see the sky no matter where they are, but the
vast emptiness of it on that night probably made her feel like there was
nobody there for her .>

"begin my studies with this paper and this pencil/ and i'm working through the
grammar of my fears" not sure what it all means but it sounds amazing!!  i
would imagine she's talking about songwriting.  i would definitely think that
the "language" is her ability to express herself through her songs and music.
maybe songwriting is the only way she knows to "work through" her fears.
(hey, maybe i do understand!! this works so much better than just thinking
about the songs!!)


*******now my other favorite line!!!!!:
"oh mercy what i won't give to have the things that mean the most not to mean
the things i miss."  what an amazing way of saying, "whatever choice i make,
something really important to me is going to be missing in my life." god,
she's clever!!

"unforgiving choice still is the language or the kiss" (the lyrics read
"unforgiving the choice still is..." but i hear no "the" in there, does anyone
else?)  the language is her music and the kiss, this other person. i don't
want to speculate too much, but it really does sound like it's about a
particular person and relationship.  this is such an amazing song (could i use
that word any more? i guess i'm at a loss of good adjectives to describe emily
and her music.  angelic, maybe, as someone else has suggested...)  if anyone
here has any pull with emily, please tell her to play this song live next time
molly is in the audience :)

can't wait for the next song!!

molly o+

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hi folks,
        first, could someone post or private e-mail a set list for the
cedar rapids concert?  thanks.
        also just a short review for those who couldn't make it.  amy
rocked the house.  the venue was great, i thought i had 5th row tix (row
e) but they ended up in the balcony, which were still good seats.  the
people up front sat more than might have been expected, but up on the
balcony emily side we were on our feet the whole concert.  they performed
midnight train to georgia--kind of amusing because they didn't have it
quite together, but looked like they were having fun.  they said something
to the effect of not performing it for awhile, but they were now because
they had another woman who could sing.  i assume they didn't mean anything
against danielle howle, but vonda shepard is a very different kind of
performer.
        could have heard a pin drop during leeds (at least from where i
was), and amy rocked during, well, just about every one of her songs.
they both seemed more into the music than during the st. louis concert.
        that's about all i can remember at this point.  thanks to whoever
posts the set list.

steve

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hey everyone-

my other deal fell through so is there anyone who has the lilith fair
pay-per-view special who wants to trade for some boots?  please let me
know....i really want this!


thanks
rob
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does anyone know who's opening???


emily

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 16:13:33 -0500
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this is one of my favorites, too, and why i can agree with the other
interpertations, does anyone get a "noah's ark" feel from it, or is it just
me???

alisa

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there are two i don't understand."
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i'm not even going to attempt to pretend that i know what "language or
the kiss" means...i've been reading all of your takes on it and agree
with all of em'....it's just too hard!
i do wanna say something about it though..."language or the kiss" is one
of those songs that makes me cry every time i hear it...i think you all
know what i'm talking about..  every time "least complicated" ends, i
get that "oh no...here it comes" feeling in my gut...i start singing it
in my head before it even starts and as soon as i actually do hear the
piano it sends me over the edge...i love it. :) but there's one thing
that i especially love about it...that little bicycle bell...it reminds
me of innocence, and of what it feels like to be a little girl. ;)  i
don't know why, that's just what crosses my mind every time i hear it.
i think that's why it makes me so sad...   sometimes i just wanna be a
kid again...
there are about 3 or 4 tunes in the whole world that are so capable of
sending me into such a state of mind..."language or the kiss (of
course!)," "time in a bottle," "photographs & memories(hell, make that
any jim croce song!)," and "dust in the wind."  may "language or the
kiss" grow to be such a classic! ;)
i don't know about the rest of you, but i have to be in a certain frame
of mind to listen to any particular indigo girls album...for example,i
listen to "swamp ophelia" when i'm depressed....:(  and "rites of
passage" really relaxes me, so i listen to that when i'm studying or
doing a diary entry...i listen to "shaming of the sun" when i'm feelin'
feisty..."nomads*indians*saints" when i'm in a good old mood...i
dunno...it's weird.  if i told you about all of em' you'd be bored, so i
won't...it's kind of a ritual... ha ha...my life is a ritual.
sooo, there's my meaningful entry for the day...thanks for reading!

-bethany ;)

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much like alisa, i've got "the ark thing" goin' on too...every time i
hear "two by two..." i see giraffes!

bethany ;)

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wow!!! i love these new threads, though they do tak emuch time from my
studying. wouldn't want to do that:-)  anyway, i never really liked language
or the kiss- strange since i'm a hard-core emily person, but i'll have to go
back and take a listen.

sari

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we went on a shopping spree this weekend and got
deadicated..... great version of uncle john's band
outloud.... i'm love having another version of this depressing song.
philadelphia soundtrack
ring them bells    joan baez... this is soooo good. i know we have only been on the list for 6 weeks or so but i'm surprised i hadn't heard  anybody talkin' about this one.
caroline aiken..... thanks y'all for the recommendation!!
mountain stage live volume 5
ben & jerry's newport folk festival

spent too much bucks...but got lots of great music!!

kim & rhea

look to the moon cause it's a fact
she may go wandering about
but she always comes shining back
e.s.

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i agree with everyone so far, but my interpretation was simple: "i made
this choice, and i knew it would be hard.  but is this really all i get?"

peace
out

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hi.  does anyone know the tab or chords from back together again? (1200
curfews)  you can respond personally (wongjulia@hotmail.com)  thanks. -
julia
"life is holy and every moment is precious"-jack kerouac

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houdy,
danielle is playing at eddie's attic this wed..  i will be there with
several of my friends, and i would like to meet all of you listees who
will be there.  let me know, and we'll go from there.

see ya,
crickett

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subject:      i got iowa to stand up!!  (c.r., ia  review)

hey again fellow listees!

back for my second review post, this one
for cedar rapids, 12-5-97.  you hopefully have
just read my ames review (or this could
have showed up before the ames review
in your outbox, but they should be right
on the tail of each other).

for cedar rapids, i got my second pick and set-list,
thanks to my good seats but mainly because no one
seemed to care (or know) about getting them.  i just
stood there until the crew guy shot them out.  this says something
about the audience, huh?  well, i'll get to that.

when i got my tix for this show, i think i was one of  the first
people into the ticketmaster system.  the tm outlet woman,
at the blockbuster music store in cedar rapids,
hit the buttons on her terminal until the show went
on sale.  this was odd, since the show was in cedar rapids,
i was at one of the best tm outlets in the city, and i was
the only person in the line to get seats when they went on
sale.  hmmmm.....i got first row aisle seats smack in front
of emily.....the first time ever in the first row....and
for a show in my own hometown.  i was psyched!
but, and there's always a "but", the promoter
decided to hold the orchestra pit seats until the
day of the show.  so, when we got to our seats,
we saw that our seats now became fourth row.
upon talking to the people in front of us, we
found out that they purchased their tix an hour
before the show.  at first i was a teeny bit miffed,
but all that went away when ig got on the stage.
ha ha ha!  (...recalling how stuff unfolded....)

the orchestra pit seat people ranged from good
fans to wishy washy fans to just plain curious
people.  good thing there were none of me in
the pit, or i wouldn't have had the pseudo-front
row seats i had.  they sat the whole show!!!  so, i was
standing right in front of emily, no body in front of
me, in plain view.  so, this is when the fun unfolds....
<mischievous grin>

the cedar rapids crowd was very introverted for
an ig show.  first song: "tangled up in blue".
no standers!  no shit!  i looked back at the
audience, and i thought, oh wow, what must this
look like to amy and emily?  so, i sat too.  i didn't want
to be one of the only people in the entire venue to be
standing up, in the first row too.  lots of cheering people
afterwards, of course, but since tuib is fairly rare to
hear, i'm surprised the house wasn't brought down.
amy and emily weren't the most energetic i've seen them,
that's for sure.  would you be?  next song: "shame on you".
i heard the first few chords.  i sprung up instantly.  i looked
back again.  everyone was sitting!  no shit!  that was it....
i couldn't contain myself.  i turned around, faced the audience, and
made wild, "get up" motions with my arms.  i either looked
like a conductor leading a full orchestra in a highly spirited
mozart piece, or i looked like a chicken with my head cut off.
but, it worked.  the people, row by row, front of the venue
to the back, started getting up.  i turned back to watch a&e
after my conducting and turned to look at the audience
a few bars later to find everyone standing.  i looked at emily.
she looked at me and smiled.  with a huge smile on her
face, the energy on stage picked up.  cathy, my gf, later asked
me, "did you see amy after you got the crowd to stand?"  nope,
i was looking at emily.  she said, "she looked right at you and
smiled this big smile.  you should've seen it."  my newly
converted ig-fan gf sensed my enthusiasm for ig before; now
she feels it.  it was awesome.  i never got an entire venue to
stand up before.  but, i couldn't have wished it for a more
awesome event.  it was sooooo cool!

since i had just gotten crazy game played the day before in ames,
and i was still in a sign mood, i had to think of something more
ingenious to say.  knowing that a&e were just in l.a. (dave ellison
mentioned this too at the bus after the ames show, "the indigo
girls just got back from l.a. and are very tired, so they're just going
to get on the bus.") to tape the ellen show, i held up a sign to ask
"how was the 'ellen' taping?"  second awesome part of the night....
amy looked at it real closely and said, "oh, a question.....", then read
it,
"how.....was....the...... "ellen' taping?"  now, i have a problem with
staying conscious when i get recognized by a or e in the audience.
so, i don't exactly remember every part of the response from a&e, but
i know they said, "it was good,....it was fun,.....although it might end
up on the cutting room floor.  <ha ha>"   then they told the audience
what they were talking about.  of course, we fortunate ones on this
list tend to find out stuff before everyone else.  so, amy told everyone
that the ellen show they'd be on would air on january 7, as we know.
that got nice cheers from everyone.  i was glad to help get the word out.
:)
but (another but), my friend in my group yelled out, "what did you do
on the show?"  either they didn't exactly hear her, or they refused to
say.  we still can't figure out which was the case.

my fun wasn't over.  i had a gift for a&e.  i always wanted to do this
myself, since libby, kate and i gave a&e sunflowers at pine knob in
june.  it is so cool to see them notice a gift and keep looking for it.
i didn't have sunflowers, but it was a nice gift, so i was sure to hold
up a sign "for you!" along with the gift as much as possible so i'd have
a chance of them taking it from me.  the hard part about this was that
since i did not have front row seats like i at first thought, i didn't
have
access to the stage.  in fact, a security guard sat at the entrance to
the pit seats and another one sat at the front of the stage.  i asked the

pit entrance security guard early on if i could give the gift to ig, and
he
said he wasn't allowed to let me, and he couldn't do it himself.  so i
said,
"that's okay.  i'll make sure they see it and get it from me."  sure
enough,
with my pseudo-front row seats, a&e noticed it and looked at it every
time
i held it up, but were not about to go for it in the middle of the show,
which
was okay to me.  i understand.  what if it would be something odd and
the audience wanted to know what it was?  a&e be in an awkward position.

but, it was not odd.  (i'll get to that later.)  at the end of ctf, i
held it up once
more and moved as close as i could get to the stage (still three rows
away)
at the edge of the pit entrance.  my gf, cathy, wanted to help and pushed
me
into the pit area, past the security guard.  when he found out what was
going on, he grabbed me and held me back.  i looked up and amy was
walking to the edge of the stage with an outstretched arm.  i said, "let
me
go.  i am giving this to her."  the guard said, "i can't let you do
that."  i said,
"look up!  she's coming for it.  she wants it."  amy was saying, "that's
fine.
let her go." or something like that.  so, the guard said, "oh", and let
me go.
i handed it to amy and quickly turned back and walked away.  dumb me.
the last thing i remembered is her looking as though she was going to
say something to me.  wouldn't it have been cool for her to say, "hey,
thanks
for getting the crowd to stand."  shit.  i was just shy.  so, i didn't
say a word
to her.....just gave it to her.  damn.  oh, well.  cathy said she watched
amy
walk backstage reading what i wrote on it.  so, what was it, you ask?  it
was
a cd of an iowa folk artist, a friend of letha's, the women who died (who
i
mentioned in the post about the ames show).  gayla drake paul, this
guitarist/singer/songwriter, has become a friend of mine too.  i just
love her music.  it's very honest, very heart-warming, very iowa.  so, i
thought, instead of a t-shirt (they get tons of those), i'd give them a
musical piece of iowa.  is anything more fitting?  i mentioned to gayla
that
i was going to do this, and she thought it was cool, but had nothing else

to do about it.  she's been in the business for a long time on the same
indie label in iowa, so she certainly doesn't expect or want anything.
i, personally, just wanted to give a good piece of home-grown iowa
music to ig, to somehow marry my love of folk music and my friendship
with
gayla and her great music to my love of ig.  hey, the cd is now in the
hands of ig, but i'll never know what comes of it.  i wrote a note on the

christmas cd box and signed my first name only, along with the date and
city/state on it.  it was a nice little note saying how much i
appreciated
their music and thought they might like a little home-grown iowa folk for

the bus ride.  it was kinda nice, if i do say so myself, although it may
have
been a bit cheesy.  i don't care.  it was a great experience.

so, finally, here's the set-list, in order:

tangled up in blue  (yippee!  a rarity that wasn't appreciated enough in
   cedar rapids)
shame on you  (the crowd finally stands!)
get out the map
secure yourself
least complicated
tried to be true
it's alright
shed your skin
love's recovery (i think this was due to my request in ames   :)
thin line  (another one that is fairly rare to hear)
hammer and a nail
scooter boys
leeds (on the set list again as "piano")
chickenman
galileo
----
romeo and juliet  (heard almost every show now.  hmmmm....)
midnight train to georgia (yeah!!!!  no shit!  rare, ain't it? it was
awesome!
   vonda shepard played the piano and sang the bluesy parts, the ones
that
   are heard by gail ann dorsey on 1200 curfews, and vonda's guitarist
   sang the parts that jimmy descant performed on 1200 curfews.  i
thought
   the voices were great together!  i was very surprised to hear this
song and
   felt very fortunate to have done so.)
closer to fine (of course)

i don't usually give a fashion report.  i don't really care about this,
but amy
was wearing a striped fly-collar shirt, with striped 70's pants.  emily
went
with regular jeans and a blouse that i don't recall.  see, fashion
doesn't
stick in my mind.

no autographs again at the end of the show.  we waited out in the cold.
again, dave ellison was the first to be heard from.  he said "amy and
emily
have a long bus ride ahead of them, so they're just getting on the bus."

oh, dave!  amy came out and said, "omaha next."  emily came out and
didn't say much at all.  sara didn't even say anything when she came out.

hmmm...  this from a woman who was the only person to sign autographs
in dayton.  it was cold though, so it was very understandable.  vonda
came
out before all of them.  her mom lives in cedar rapids, so vonda got in a

van with her family and friends.  she walked out with her mom and said,
"this is my mom."  we all said, "hi vonda's mom!"  i think she got a kick

out of it.  it was cute, sure enough.  when they got in their cars, we
said,
"bye vonda!  bye vonda's mom!"  oh, yep, way too cute.  but it was
something
to keep us from freezing!

ames and cedar rapids were both great shows!  what a way to round out
a ten-show ig "tour"!  this has been a most awesome half-year!

lisa s.
cedar rapids, ia

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>>woah!  that is awesome that they did crazy game in iowa!  lisa, did
>>they see your sign?!  :-)
>>:-) karen


hey fellow listees and fellow c.g. lover, karen!

i am coming off a fabulous!!!!!  ig weekend.....can i have
a better one???  (okay indigohians, i love ya, but i got to
have two great, stupendous ig concerts in my own state of iowa,
without having to drive 7+ hours.  i missed ya, but what can
i say?)  for shows number 9 (ames) and 10 (cedar rapids)
since march 28, 1997, i:

- got a pick and set-list from each (firsts for me!)
- had my new (and first) gf with me, who is now a major ig convert
  and made everything so extra special....renewed my love of ig
  and the fun of the shows.  emily noticed us and smiled.  :)
- had awesome second row amy seats for ames and was in a
  prime "notice my rowdy group" and "play my request" location
- had awesome first row (well, considering the wishy-washy
  "they're okay" ig concert-goers in the pit in front who never stood)
aisle
  emily seats for cedar rapids and was in a prime "please take
  this gift from me" and "ask a question with a sign, have amy read
  it aloud, and answer it" location
- got the majority of the paramount theater cedar rapids crowd to
  stand up for soy and got smiles from a and e for doing so
  (they picked up the energy after that and seemed so much more into it;
  imagine ig playing for a seated theater......that was not going to
  happen as long as i was there.....nope!)
- my mission is over, finally.......i got crazy game played in ames!
  some of you may remember my crazy game posts....i've been
  requesting it since blossom in ohio on june 12, when amy told
  me to my face, "i'll try to remember.  hold up a sign."  this
indigohead
  was not going to let her forget!  7 shows later, voila!  :)
- got a gift ready for a&e and motioned for them to take it with a "for
  you!" sign.  waited til the end of the c.r. show, and amy came to the
  front of the stage to get it from me.  it was a really hairy situation
at
  first with the security guard holding me back until i convinced him she

  was actually coming for it.  (at the beginning of the show, when he
said
  he couldn't help me get it to ig, and i said, "no problem, i'll do it
myself;
  i'll get them to take it.", of course, he sneered at me, but i showed
him!

so, the details.....

stephens auditorium, ames, ia 12-4-97.................

a long two-hour drive from cedar rapids to ames in slippery, snowy
conditions and a cold walk through stephens' parking lot later, my 2
friends, my gf, and i showed up one song into vonda shepard's set.
i have two of her cds.  so, i was very happy to see that she opened.
(i knew the songs for an opening act!  pretty cool.)  if no one has
listened
to her, i'd recommend her.  paul said she's like a female michael bolton,

which is kinda right on target, but i also think she could hold her own
against
celine dion or taylor dayne.   she overpowers with her voice sometimes,
a strong voice at that, but her music is great, her lyrics are
intelligent, and
she deserves to be much more famous than she is now.  she was the only
person who signed autographs after the show.  i yelled over to her and
she
stopped and came back.  i told her "i saw you open
for......um.......ah.........
what's his name?"  "jackson browne," she said.  "yeah, that's it.  i
heard so
many good comments coming from everyone.  you should be huge!  you've
got such a great voice.  i had two of your cds even before i knew you
were
opening for ig."  okay, a bit much, but she really liked my comments.
the fact that i couldn't remember jackson browne's name was only
because i worked at that show and she was the only act that night who
stuck
in my head.

anyway, on to ig:

having 2nd row seats on amy's side was awesome.  these were the best
yet.  stephens auditorium is great!  even amy commented
on how nice it was to play there, although with no middle aisle, what
does
one do to get out and go pee?  all the seats are raked (on a slope from
the front row all the way to the back).  even if people stand up, i'm
sure there is
no problem seeing.  (maybe a problem peeing, but definitely no problem
seeing.)  acoustics were great too.  emily made a dar williams reference
about being in iowa.  she asked if anyone knew dar's song "iowa".  she
seemed to want to try to sing a few bars for everyone, but she stopped
and
said, "i can't sing it."  iooowaaaaa ioooowaaaaa oooooo  oooo  not many
people said whooo-hooooo when hearing dar's name.  but i did.  :)

i was in a sign mood.  in brought my well-used cloth crazy game sign
that's
been to oh, mi, wi, il, ia, in, and va, and has all the show dates i've
seen on
it as well as set lists for some of the shows.  (i started getting
frustrated about
always using the sign to no avail, so i had to make it a mission
statement and
a ig road-trip log, and use it for my set list paper during the shows.
it's really
quite a collectors item for me now.).....i also had blank pieces of 8 1/2
x 11
paper and a marker, for those spontaneous moments.  first, i held up a
small
paper crazy game sign.  this was a new one, done in thick black marker on

neon orange paper, saying just "crazy game"...just fine for second row.
(i didn't
want to overdo it.  i noticed in past shows that a&e are more likely to
respond to
simpler signs and less-obnoxious people.)   emily saw it first.   her
first reaction
and words out of her mouth were "we haven't practiced that one in a
while."
okay, so i thought, well, no crazy game again!  i held it up for amy.
she saw it
and didn't say much.  (sometimes they like to ignore sign-holders, it
seems.)
well, i had to pull out the ol' cloth (much larger) crazy game sign, my
crutch since
june 14, 1997 (the pine know show).  i held it up a song or two later.
it says
"crazy game      you promised at blossom   :)"  they have seen this sign
many
times before, the last time being in dayton, oh (nov. 15).  no response.

the time before that was blacksburg, va  (sept. 20).  worse than no
response.
in va, i think it they had seen enough of it and looked at it with a "oh
not again"
look and ignored it after that.   well, i figured i had nothing to lose
in using it
again in ames.  i also made an extra small sign that said,
"tomorrow????  please!  :)"  just in case they made the "we aren't ready
to play
that today" excuse.  i thought for sure that i would have to use this
sign by the end
of the ames show.  but, when i held up the ol' cloth sign, amy looked at
it and said,
"oh, yeah."  ok, i had recognition!  but, i didn't think they'd do it
anyway, after
emily said they hadn't practiced it in a while.  i knew for a fact that
after my initial
requests in ohio in june, ig played crazy game three times since (which i
think
were all due to me  :).  emily told me that they played it already when i
asked for it
again at the chicago borders cd signing.  i said, stupidly (in a
foot-in-mouth way),
"but i wasn't at any of those shows."  oh, geez, and i must be special
(said with sarcasm).  i think i sounded dorky and whiney and wanted to
take
it back, but  neither a&e seemed to take it badly.   but, that was
chicago.
back to ames....

so, i thought it was time to just give it up and relax about getting
crazy game
played at ames.  ig had seen my signs; they knew the request was made; it
was
now up to them.   so, using my trusty blank paper, i had some fun.  i
made a sign
saying "love's recovery".  amy looked at it and pointed to it.  better
response than
crazy game.  i thought that one was a go.  in addition, a great friend of
mine
who recently and suddenly died was supposed to be at the ames show
with us (her first show).  her daughter went in her place, along with her
gf.  i thought
it would've been very nice to get "fare thee well" played for letha, the
women who
died.  so, we made another quick sign saying "fare thee well, for letha
12-29-55 to
11-6-97".  although it was very important to letha's gf and daughter, i
didn't think
we'd hear it, since they must never practice that one anymore.  this was
at the end
of the last song before the encore.  we know that the best time to
request a song
is then, because a&e then go backstage and discuss what the next song is.

sometimes the setlist even has a question mark in the place of the first
song of the
encore.  on the way off the stage before the encore songs, amy looked at
the sign
long and hard, and read it with a somber look.  i thought we may have had
a chance
to get ftw played.  it would've been a great honor to letha, that's for
sure.

amy and emily came back out for the encore.  imagine my intense surprise
when
amy came to her mic without her guitar.  i knew i would finally hear
crazy game.
i was happy!  amy said, "we've been getting several requests from this
side the
whole show," motioning over to us.  emily said, "this is an old song."
they said
more stuff, but for the life of me, i can't remember what it was in all
my amazement.
then, cg started and i jumped up and down like a little kid.  i turned to
the audience
and raised my arms in a "sylvester stallone victory" way.  amy and emily
looked at
me and smiled.  i don't think they expected to get that kind of response
out of me.
people, it was a long, hard road to get crazy game played, filled with
frustration and
lots of effort which seemed all for nought.  since june 14, it became a
mission.
i think they realized my happiness then.  am i strange, or what?  well,
they seemed
to like it.  i grabbed hold of my gf and we rocked to the whole song.
a&e looked at
us now and then and smiled.  they certainly got a big grin, lots of
thumbs-up, and
thank-yous from me when they were done.

after the show, it was not very difficult to get a set-list and pick.  i
had only attempted
this once before, and that was when there was a humungous crowd
attempting to
do the same thing.  well, in ames, the crowd was generally not those
types of fans.
they were more subdued and quiet  than in shows like, say, dayton (which
was
the most crowd-rockin' show i've ever seen).  i just stood up at the
stage until the
crew threw out pics and set lists.  the first pick shot at me landed
under the stage
and the first set-list ended up with someone else.  so, i asked a crew
man nicely
for another pick.  then i asked a crew woman (not sulli), if there would
be a set-list
back where she was working.  she seemed to ask sulli if it was okay to
give it to me.
sulli said yeah and a nice, unwrinkled set-list was coming my way.
yippeee!!!
according to the set-list, due to my crazy game request, wood song was
ousted.
i would've liked to hear that one too.  oh, well.  the sacrifices we
make.  :)  oh, yeah,
i also gave a note to sulli to give to a&e inviting them to cedar rapids
only gay bar,
club basix, after the show the next day.  they were headed to nebraska,
though,
so i didn't expect them to even entertain the idea.  i invited them
anyway.  (they didn't
show up.)

no autographs after the show.  too cold.  vonda signed though and was
very
gracious and very happy to get recognition.  so, i got her to sign my
crazy
game sign, along side sara lee's autograph from the dayton show.  my next

mission is to get a&e to sign that well-traveled crazy game sign.  then i

can finally retire it.  :)

the set list for ames, in order:

three hits
least complicated
shame on you
power of two
pushing the needle too far
get out the map
shed your skin
everything in its own time
land of canaan
it's alright
scooter boys
leeds (which reads "piano" on the set-list)
romeo and juliet (seems to be coming back as a staple song again)
chickenman
galileo
---
encore:
crazy game  (should have been kid fears)
kid fears (should have been wood song)
closer to fine (of course)


this was long, i know.  thanks for reading.  my cedar rapids review
is in another post..........

lisa s.
cedar rapids, ia

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 19:09:20 est
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hi! i was just wondering: where might i be able to get ig posters. i know you
can order them from somewhere on the internet. please e mail me privately and
quickly!
thank you so much,
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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 19:25:46 -0500
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congrats, lisa!!!!  that is so so so so so amazing!  i am so glad you
finally got to hear crazy game!!!!!  :-)

now why is that when i hold up signs and scream "power of 2" they never do
it, but then do it the next night?!!!  nooooooooooo!  i want and need to
hear my favorite song at a show, at least once!!!!  come on!  it's power
od 2!  it's not like i'm asking them to play "left me a fool" or "crazy
game"  ;-)  any suggestions?  lisa????  help!

:-) karen

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hey hey hey y'all (wow...just got a flashback of fat albert, sorry)


first of all...imho, the posts have been brilliant as of late...y'all have such wonderful insight...and i thank you for the much needed break from moby dick...


secondly...i hate to say it, but i am amazingly bitter about all the recent shows in iowa...being from the state myself, i probably would have been at each and every show if i had been there and not at school totally drowning in finals... not only does it sound like they did some incredible preforming in good ole iowa, but they played crazy game, my most favoritest song (well, along with some others) :)...and emily made a dar reference?...agh...i can't believe i missed all that...i am seething...but, not really...


anyway...i'll stop rambling now...i have been listening to swamp ophelia for the past two days since y'all been on the mystery/lotk kick...lotk is on right now...reminds me of the psuedo-relationship that i am now in (they all remind me of some relationship i've been in or another...)...i happen to be the "waiting" one...although im not happily waiting...


alright...i must stop the madness...back to moby dick...

"maybe i was wrong"...


have a good night :)

peace

~melissa

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hi!

i had the most incredible luck today.  i was *so* jealous of the person who
stumbled upon a "shades of indigo" cd for $9.00 a few days ago.  wondered if i
would ever be that lucky.  doubting it, because in atlanta, rare ig finds are
rare.  everyone here knows a good thing when they see it <grin>, and they tend
to keep it to themselves.

but today i just happened to find a gold mine.  i found "club r&r", "shades of
indigo" and "reverse 1 live".   all brand new.  each $28.00.   when i first
saw them, i actually stopped for a minute and looked around to see if someone
was pulling a joke on me or something.  i'm sure the employees all thought i
was a bit insane when i started jumping up and down in the store <grin> (well,
not really, but i was jumping up and down inside)

well, in a fit of indigo-happiness, i decided to write out the lyrics to one
of amy's new songs.  this is the one that she did in orlando at the house of
blues last saturday.  it sort of sounds like powderfinger when it first
starts, but only when it starts.   it's "a little country song"  and it's
beautiful!!!!!

**********************
well i guess that i was lonely
that's why i called you on the phone
cause in a moment of forgiveness
i didn't want to be alone

and i guess that i was willing
more than i ever was before
cause in a moment of forgiveness
i come knocking at your door

baby i woke up crying last night
when i realized that you were gone
cause it's been two long years without you
and tell me now
when are you going to come home

and i guess that i was hoping
that you'd finally understand
and in a moment of fogiveness
you reach out and take my hand

musical interlude

baby i woke up crying last night
just to realize that you were gone
it's been two long years without you
and tell me now
when are you going to come home

and i guess that i'm hoping
that you finally understand
and in a moment of forgiveness
you reach out and take my hand

that's it =)!

=)
lisa

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i've always taken this song at a more personal level.... to me, "the language"
is the family, the home, mom, dad and apple pie, etc. etc.  while "the kiss"
is the romantic love relationship.  it's always struck me this way even though
i know emily's family is accepting of her homosexuality..... my father has
often said (more often since my aunt came out) that if i were to become a
"f**ing queer" (his words) that i'd be on the streets etc. etc.

so to me the "table set for six and five were there" is the family in there,
like maybe a family gathering, and she's outside peeking in because she is
unwelcome at the gathering.  or whatever.  did that make sense?

my 2 shineys.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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practise it now as we go along.  but it's no good going
home to practise it, because it's a special outdoor song
which hasto be sung in the snow."
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date:         mon, 8 dec 1997 12:24:37 +1100
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hey folks,

maureen said:
> i've always heard language or the kiss as the struggle between remaining
> grounded in the familiar and following your passion.  the familiar, in this
> instance, is the love and solidity of home, friends and family, which is a
> comfortable "language".  the passion for her music, for writing from her heart
> and then sharing it with the world by traveling and performing and receiving
> the adulation of strangers, is the "kiss".  she worries that by choosing to

funny, i see it exactly the opposite way. :)  i think the "language"
refers to emily's decision to express herself through the songs she's
sown.  the "kiss" represents all the "normal" home life things she's
given up by going on the road - dinner with her family, day to day
life with loved ones...

ah, this is why i love ig - everybody gets something different out of
the music!  some of you guys have posted some amazing interpretations
to this song, stuff i never would have thought of myself in a
million years...

i have to say, lotk has never been one of my favourite songs, and
i think i've finally managed to pin down why.  i just don't like the
piano intro.  i think because i've played classical piano for so
many years, i tend not to like it used in any other genre.  maybe
not.  but whatever the reason, i don't really like the piano intro.
but once the singing starts, i think lotk is a great song.  and the
harmonies are absolutely heavenly - some of the girls' best ever,
without a doubt.  but that piano intro just doesn't do anything for
me.

but anyway. :)  oh, while i'm thinking of it, i think amy's "oh
mercy..." in the 1200c version of lotk is absolutely to die for!
gives me the shivers, every time.

sorry, i'm not too coherent today... it's monday, what do you
expect?

:)
sherlyn
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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 18:32:48 -0800
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i can't beleive no one has said back on the bus y'all
yet.  then again maybe that doesn't count as an
"album".  i just really like the read tinted picture
of a long haired amy and long haired emily sharing a
microphone, looking like they're having a blast.
who's with me?

jeremy

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 21:38:13 est
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okay... so this is one of  my favorite songs, from my favorite cd.   i can
listen to this song over and over and over again and still want more.  then to
see it live - wow!!!!  but anyway... my one thought of the day was dedicated
to what to say  about this song. i can offer an interpretation of
appreciation.  so forgive the incoherent rambling....

lotk -
this song offers me the perspective of choice.  how the choices made all have
cost.  the choices made in relation to family, friends, love and self.  the
realization of the reprocussion of any decisions made.  several lines of this
song tear directly into my soul and bringing solice.  one way that i connect
with this song was from the writers perspective... when a words flow from your
soul, they reflect the things that influence you at the time, whether
internally or externally .. in this song i heard both... the language: that
which is environmental, family, friends, loves... the kiss: that which flows
within... sometimes these two collide and in the end you wonder was it worth
it?  "that i may reap the praise of strangers and end up on my own...."
wondering if your sacrifice has been appreciated - "all i've sown was a song..
but maybe i was wrong" - "to have the things the most not to mean the things i
miss".   yet when all is said and done.... "unforgiving the choice still is -
the language or the kiss". .  whether the rejection of family, the ending of a
relationship, the stress of an occupation.... no matter the cost... we pay it.

well thats it... ( i think???? )

poet

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 18:42:49 +0000
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subject:      tour dates

hi,

i just saw a post re:  west coast tour dates................is this true?
i looked on the epic tour site and they only have through the middle of
december posted.

where can i find these other dates?

signed,

concert deprived on the west coast!

betsy

"what i won't give......
to have the things that mean the most
not to mean the things i miss --emily saliers

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 22:00:16 -0500
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>3 days till the bloomington concert! so...tell me...who's gonna be
>there?!

me!  me!  me!  :)  all three of us. heheh :)

- rick

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 22:04:35 est
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georgia's southern voice featured an article on emily last week. i grabbed a
few extra copies & would be willing to trade for any boot with redemption song
on it, or that new amy song with "a moment of forgiveness"  lyric in it. i
also have extra copies of poets, artists & madmen which also has an interview
with emily.
two mags for one boot ( does that sound fair)? it would cost $3 for the
postage to ship both mags.
hopefully, all of you with the good boots will make me an offer...........
jean

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 22:34:39 -0500
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does anyone know who's opening?  (crossing fingers for danielle
howel??sp??)

- rick

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 22:41:07 est
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oh my god  this is so sad!  i'm sitting here ready to bawl my eyes out and i
dont even know how the music goes.  it reminds me of jenna.

in a message dated 97-12-07 20:55:23 est, memememi@aol.com writes:

<< well i guess that i was lonely
that's why i called you on the phone
cause in a moment of forgiveness
i didn't want to be alone>>

<snip the rest of the lyrics before i completely break down>

i don't want to know everyone's takes on this song... if they put it on the
new album in the fall i think i'll never be able to listen to it.  it hurts
even to read.

peace, harmony and indigo,  (and a few tears too)

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 23:07:44 est
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hey.  yeah, if anyone knows the chords to back together again, would you
please send them to me too?  much appreciated.  i have no internet
access, only email.  so if they are out there, i cant really find them.

-laura

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place, i know i can love you much better than this... full of grace.
-sarah mclachlan

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 23:13:03 -0500
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while watching lilith cbc, hmv ran commercials for a women in rock cd only
available at hmv with sara, jewel, kd, ig, paula cole and a few more
it is released tuesday at all hmv stores.

mike r.

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 22:18:47 -0600
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> not sure about the barking dogs reference.

i don't think this has any deep meaning.  i believe it is simply good use
of imagery, emily using something we're all familiar with -- the sound of
dogs barking in the distance on a still summer night -- to set a mood and
paint a picture.

>"my heart the red sun" (aflame? a glowing ember?) "your heart the moon
>clouded" (ie, hard to read)

i would add "hopeful" to the red sun list.

>"every thought's a possibility" -- this other is present and that may be all
>that matters at this time.  the much longed-for "relationship" is the
>possibility.

my take on this line is that it doesn't deal with the relationship
specifically.  rather, it's another stroke on the canvas, with emily
painting a picture of a late-summer night.  "every thought's a
possibilty"...school is coming, summer's dying, and it is time to get in
all the living we promised ourselves back in june.

reminds me of going on a midnight swim, fully clothed, in my apartment
swimming pool last august with some friends.  summer was leaving, and the
thought, no matter how crazy, seemed perfectly fine.  (this is also why i
think mystery and nightswimming by r.e.m. are cousins...but that's another
thread.)

>not sure about the voices

"the voices are heard, but nothing is seen."  could be:  the narrator
("sunny" or "emily") hears the voices of love and a relationship, but these
voices, these feelings, are not turning into anything visible or palpable.
they're all just...in there.

or, it could be yet another mood setter...it's a passionate summer night in
the south, and there are voices everywhere...the voice of the wind in the
trees, the voice of people in the distance...the invisible voices that make
a summer night.  man, this is getting deep (in more ways than one :)

> but not everything is better spoken aloud/not when i'm talking to you."

> she can't tell this other exactly how she
>feels because it may be interpretted as an attempt to secure the relationship
>or make it into more than it might be... does this make sense? sorry if i
>can't put it into words too well.  kind of like when you're not sure if you
>should use the word "love" because the other person might not think it is?
>okay nevermind...

i comletely understand and agree.  that's why this song is "da bomb"...it
tells the story, almost perfectly, of a relationship i have.

>okay, this was much longer than i had planned. hope it makes some sense and is
>not just wasted space. can we do language or the kiss next? :)

my second favorite song to discuss.  yee-haw!

thanks to everyone for their thoughts on this song.  everyone i know is
tired of hearing my discourses on ig songs, so it's nice to be in
like-minded company.

happy holidays of your personal choice!!!  (heh, heh...)

justin

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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 23:35:41 +0000
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>>"my heart the red sun" (aflame? a glowing ember?) "your heart the moon
>>clouded" (ie, hard to read)
>
>i would add "hopeful" to the red sun list.

that's a good intep...but i always thought that that line was just in there
to mean that they were complete opposies.  i haven't been reading all of
the posts on this but i know that the song is about 2 oppposite people
"standing at opposite poles" but "equal partners in" the "mystery"

rob
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date:         sun, 7 dec 1997 22:41:39 -0500
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oooooh. that was really powerful- especially since i just broke up with my
boyfriend of a year. some of those sentiments are so familiar right now.
cannot wait to hear that one- it may become my next "love will come to you."

sari

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