lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-01a


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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 01:11:51 est
reply-to:     indigopony <indigopony@aol.com>
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subject:      nigc: shawn colvin, etc.
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happy new year, y'all! =)  i was just watching the new year's
special on tv, and seeing shawn reminded me of how much
i love hearing her live...so my point is, i'd like a good-quality
boot of hers (i have lots of ig boots to trade, so please don't be
shy ;).  wasn't there a radio show or something that she was on
a while back?  my memory fails me...if anyone can help, i'd be
eternally grateful.  thanks, and i hope everyone has a safe,
happy, indigo-filled 1998! =)

peace, love, and fireworks,
ponygrrrl (who had never seen those spice girls until tonight, but
who thinks the brunette with the tattoos is pretty darn sexy--
nothing compared to amy [and their lyrics made me cringe!], but
still...;)

p.s. did anyone think ms. colvin looked a little tired tonight?
i hope all of the touring isn't straining her...=(  she did seem to
enjoy singing "nothin' on me", though...hmm.

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 02:13:50 -0500
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hi y'all!  happy 1998!  this is my first post for the new year!  yippie!!
anyway, i just wanted to say that i just got home from seeing the play
"rent" in chicago.  now i am not going to babble on and on about it, but
it was great!!!!  if it comes to a city near you, i'd highly recommend
seeing it!  you won't be sorry!

happy new year!!!!!!  hope it's a great one, filled with wonderful ig
experiences!

:-) karen

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 02:23:08 est
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> i remember a while back there was a big bruhaha over hootie
> doing a cover of ctf in concert.  don't know if he still does it
> and i don't think it's ever been recorded for posterity.

actually (i remember this being discussed a year or so ago), i think
hootie and company sang a few lines (a verse?) of ctf in the middle
of "i only wanna be with you" on an import single...if i remember
correctly, both songs were in the same key and had capo ii, so the
band just broke into ctf in the middle of the other song.  i tried to find
this single when it was first discussed, but all i could find was the
regular u.s. single...anyone have additional info.?  okay, off to bed...;)

peace, love, and chex mix,
pony

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 00:15:29 -0800
reply-to:     cristal and celeste <us@ecis.com>
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subject:      happy new year!!!!!!!!!!
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pax, celeste

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 08:57:43 est
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subject:      dream covers--ig/fleetwood mac
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i used to be a big fleetwood mac fan back in the 70s and did watch their
comeback show on mtv a few months ago.

now i'm a new indigo girls fan and while i love their own music, i have a
couple of covers to suggest:

i think amy would rock doing "second hand news" and "go your own way".

as for emily, i would love to hear her do "rhiannon", although i think that
song is so identified with stevie nicks that no one else would ever be able to
duplicate its magic. and i really can't see emily doing the dance that stevie
does during "rhiannon" - lol

wmntime

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 09:24:45 est
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subject:      4.5
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have an extra copy of 4.5.  think i paid $20 for it.

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 11:36:09 est
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4.5 is sold...that was quick

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 14:03:10 -0500
reply-to:     robert arkin <rdarkin@mindspring.com>
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what is the view.  i couldn't find it on any channel in atlanta!  can
someone please inform me..... thanks
                                                chelsea

at 03:17 pm 12/31/1997 est, you wrote:
>what's everyone freaking out over?  this is a rerun!!!!!!!!!  i'm sure 50
>million people already have this on tape, so be cool!!!!!!  and ask the list
>for copies.  jeepers, y'all!
>
>in a message dated 97-12-31 15:07:32 est, you write:
>
><< << >did anyone catch the girls on the view this morning?
>
> this morning?!?! i was positive someone said it would be on tonight!!
geez, i
> was so excited about it that i couldn't even get to sleep last night!!  are
> you sure it's not gonna be on again tonight? ohhh, i'm so sad. what a stinky
> new years eve present.
>  >>
>
>peace, harmony, and indigo,
>
>~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
>  ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
>   ~president, grlchasr26 fan club
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>"and oh, the dissatisfied, with the satisfied
>everybody loves a melodrama and the scandal of a lie.
>still you held your arms open for the prodigal daughter.
>i see my eyes in your eyes through my eyes,
>still water."
>   ~ emily saliers
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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 13:53:58 -0500
reply-to:     anna l creech <creechal@juno.com>
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from:         anna l creech <creechal@juno.com>
subject:      (nigc) leaving...

hey, kind friends!  :)

i'm going back to virginia tomorrow morning (very early) and this may be
my last chance to email before then.  since i'll be un subscribed until
sunday or monday, i am asking that if anyone posts parodies, could they
also forward them to creechal@emu.edu.  i've been keeping an archive of
parodies, take a look at
http://narnia.emu.edu/students/creechal/parodies.htm.  oh, and if anyone
has some that are not in the archive and are older than this past month
(and don't have a lot of graphic language - i've read one that isn't in
the archive that was pretty disgusting), please send them to me as well.

okay, that's all!  thanks for saving me some boredom and homesickness
these past three weeks!

:)
anna

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i'm going home!!!  (okay, so technically i am home, but it doesn't feel
like a home anymore)  feel free to write me at creechal@emu.edu.  i'll
probably read it sometime sunday evening.  :)

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 14:06:43 -0500
reply-to:     robert arkin <rdarkin@mindspring.com>
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is there any other way to get to the trade pages.  i need them bc someone
is mailing me boots, but i have to pick them out...
                                                chelsea

at 03:18 pm 12/31/1997 +0000, you wrote:
>memo
>
>to:  ig listers
>from: elizabeth enitz@evolving.com
>re:  potential legal issues arising from the shaming of the sun
>        archive bootleg trader page
>
>since deb reiser isn't around to disable the boot page button off her
>archive web site, i am moving the trader list files out of their current
>
>location.  i have removed the trader list and a bunch of my stuff.
>if you gave me a copy of your boot list and would like me to move
>it as well, please let me know.  you still have access to the directory,
>
>due to an oversight on my part, and apparently merely disabling links
>isn't good enough anyhow.   please email me with comments.
>
>en
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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 15:19:15 -0500
reply-to:     therese <tleung@wellesley.edu>
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hey everyone!

i know somebody already mentioned that ig were in ms. and i just wanted
to further encourage everyone to go out and buy that issue of ms.! the
article is great-insightful and intelligent, plus there is a great
candid photo of winona laduke and amy and emily together, smilin' and
laughin'. very sweet. :)

and if *that* isn't enough to motivate you to run out and buy ms.
magazine's latest issue,then you're also going to miss out on a letter ani
difranco sent to ms. which is long and hysterically funny (imho).

the reason why i'm plugging for ms. magazine is cuz they dont rely on any
advertisements to pay for their production costs which means taht
customers and subscribers like you are *very* important for ms. to stay
afloat! please go out and buy a copy, if not for the indigo girls, then at
least to support ms.

:)
thanks (getting off my soapbox now)
happy new year everyone!

therese

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 15:33:03 -0500
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as some of you may recall, 99x in atlanta is spending new years playing th
emost influential artists of the 90's as voted on by internet users...amy
and emily came in at #14...just behing metallica.  i'm sorta surprised
they weren't higher, but i'll save judgement till i hear the full top 10
list...(jane's addiction is playing right now at number 10 i believe...)

i voted for 'em, along with rem and nirvana...

also on wxpn's albums of the year (www.xpn.org) i noted that sots was in
the top 15 or so...

darren

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 15:34:46 -0500
reply-to:     anne haines <ahaines@copper.ucs.indiana.edu>
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happy new year to all!

i found the article from which the following is excerpted while i was at
my mom's over xmas. normally i don't read the religion section of the
paper, but i happened to scan through it and found this. :-) note
especially what he says about "mystery" -- kind of sheds some light on
emily's use of the word in a certain song we all know and love!

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from the south bend (indiana) tribune, 12/26/97 (reprinted w/o permission)

photo (same as the cover of the target "starter kit" cd): "for emily
saliers, left, and her family, music is a holiday tradition. she and amy
ray make up the indigo girls."

holiday traditions help preserve the 'founding stories' of faith and
family

by gayle white, cox news service

<quite a bit snipped; focus of article is the preservation of religious &
family rituals, especially christmas/hanukkah traditions>

"there is a deep human need for ritual," said don saliers, professor of
theology and worship at emory university's candler school of theology. "we
can go just so long denying ourself [sic] deep rituals before we
experience emptiness in life. ... we want shared stories. we want
something that takes us out of ourselves."

the rituals of our families and our faiths give people a sense of their
place among other people, he said. rituals are "shared practices that
allow us to weep with those who weep and rejoice with those who rejoice
... only through ritual do we gain identity and sustain memory."

but ritual without story is empty.

"why do children insist on the same story in the same tone of voice over
and over, without skipping a line?" he asked. "it's a ritual instinct. not
only do they love to hear the story again, it represents intimacy with
their parents."

at holidays, rituals mark the time as special or holy. even the foods
become "part of the consecration of ourselves," saliers said.

and so the "founding stories" of people's faiths and of their families get
told by each generation to the next. when words fail, the light of a
candle or the taste of a food can flood the senses with something that
reaches deeper than language.

ultimately, saliers said, rituals help us get in touch with a sense of
mystery, which he defines as "not a problem to be solved, but a reality to
be lived into."

saliers, an ordained united methodist minister, does the music for cannon
chapel and the ecumenical emory university community.

"the christmas eve candlelight service is certainly a highlight," he said.
the candles of advent and christmas, like the candles of hanukkah and
kwanzaa, are representative of the "great archetypical symbol of light,"
he said.

as for family rituals, saliers' christmas is "a precious time when all
four daughters and our son-in-law are around," he said. "given our family,
one of the things we dearly love to do is sing together -- not just
serious music but we fool around and improvise."

all four daughters are singers and musicians: jennie works for the
baltimore symphony; elizabeth is a flutist and sings and acts in new york;
carrie has sung in various choruses; and emily is half of the famed indigo
girls.

"the other thing we do love to do is tell stories," he said. his wife,
jane, is a librarian and storyteller and "everyone in the family is a
ham."

religious traditions and family traditions have much in common, saliers
said.

<end of saliers' comments; remainder of article snipped>

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 18:26:15 -0600
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hi, i am new to the list. i have been listening to the idigo girls since
the summer. can't imagine why i waited so long. i am now totally
obsessed. i got the video "live at the uptown lounge" for christmas and
am wondering how this compares with the watershed video. i am hoping i
can find it soon and just wanted some opinions first. thanks. syd
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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 20:56:12 -0500
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syd, i became a fan this summer also. i have been wondering the same thing
about why i waited so long to discover them!! anyway, i own watershed, and
recently, i rented live at the uptown lounge video. i thought it was ok,
but not great. watershed is much longer and has old videos of the girls,
plus interviews. you get more of amy and emily's personality in watershed.
i would definitely recommend buying it. it's great! good luck...i hope this
helps a bit.

                                                        christy :)

at 06:26 pm 1/1/98 -0600, you wrote:
>hi, i am new to the list. i have been listening to the idigo girls since
>the summer. can't imagine why i waited so long. i am now totally
>obsessed. i got the video "live at the uptown lounge" for christmas and
>am wondering how this compares with the watershed video. i am hoping i
>can find it soon and just wanted some opinions first. thanks. syd
>syd@socketis.net
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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 20:05:44 -0600
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does anyone have a really good quality version of this song?  i love it and
i love the version that was played partially in the vh1 lilith special
(repeat) tonight.  i have the version off of live at the purple parrot but i
want a better one!  please e mail me if you can help!!!

beth halpern

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 21:29:54 est
reply-to:     annajenn <annajenn@aol.com>
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i got watershed for hanakuh and i was watching it (and loving it). i just
thought  it was noteworthy to comment on the irony: em and amy were talking
about how nis (i think, but maybe it was rop or so--sorry, i wkinda partying
hard last night and am in a state of sickness and oblivion) was a risky album
but not as risky as if they tried to do jazz, punk, or rap, and they were
laughing over those possibilities. but now i remember reading that emily maybe
wants to do a jazz album, and amy's really into punk. i mean it makes sense,
cuz it's years later, and they've grown, but still, wouldn't it be funny if
they got into rap in a few years :) just kidding
anna

ps happy new year everyone!

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 22:08:29 -0500
reply-to:     mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
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from:         mr rodney s wicker <rucr57a@prodigy.com>
subject:      ig covers

songs i would like to her them do:

"4th of july" by dave alvin
"am i the only one (who's ever felt
this way?)" by maria mckee
"mr. tambourine man" by bob dylan
"stolen car" by bruce springsteen
"angel in blue" by seth justman

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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 22:25:42 -0500
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darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu> wrote:
>as some of you may recall, 99x in atlanta is spending new years playing th
>emost influential artists of the 90's as voted on by internet users...amy
>and emily came in at #14...just behing metallica.  i'm sorta surprised
>they weren't higher, but i'll save judgement till i hear the full top 10
>list...

i'm glad they weren't higher... i think ig are wonderful, of course, but i
wouldn't consider them terribly influential in 1997.  i wish i could... i
wish there were a bunch of people making music and signing musicians who
thought ig were doing amazing work and honored it by imitation, but i just
don't see that.

who would you say ig has influenced (musically) in 1997, excluding local
atlanta artists?

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in a message dated 98-01-01 22:31:14 est, indigo@mindspring.com writes:

<< who would you say ig has influenced (musically) in 1997, excluding local
atlanta artists?
  >>

well, me..........

peace, harmony, and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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date:         thu, 1 jan 1998 23:19:17 -0500
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hello.
i hope everyone's new year is full of peace, the kind that makes you work
hard....
i liked emily's dad's quotes in that article--i was wondering if he was
the don saliers who wrote a whole bunch of articles on feminine imagery
for god, like god as a mother--good stuff.  i was looking through the
database at my school (seminary) and came across some of his stuff--very
well written and also great theology. but what else would we expect?
just thought y'all would like to know that he has some great feminist
articles out there.
peace,
beth
p.s. i am still working on the cd 101 boots but they will be getting
there, i promise!!

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hi list,
deb asked, "who would you say the indigo girls influenced in 1997?" and
tigger responded, "me!"  hurray!  i don't particularly adore shaming, but
i have to say that the question of influence could be considered to extend
much further than music.  now, the ig may not have been as influential as
metallica (?!) musically--although if one considers the impact of daemon
i'd say they are far more influential in the music world--but i do not
have to think hard to figure out who influenced more political and social
change.  go, girls.  i want to write a longer post but i"m off for
minnesota in the morning...need sleep...i hear there is a women's dance in
the twin cities this weekend, which i may be attending.  anyone on the
list going?  i'd love to meet more ig listers.  email me before 9:00
tomorrow and i'll attempt to at least shake hands and wave.  :-)  (i
believe my friend said saturday night was the dance, if that helps.)

g'night,
luv, with a special kiss blowing to susie b.,
suzi

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to anyone who has written fan mail to the ig, what was your experience?   ie;
did you get a reply? was it personalized or a generic response?  did you think
that the ig actually got your letter or was it answered by a publicist,etc?
i'm interested in sending a letter, but am wondering if it is worth it...
anyone who has written, would you mind letting me know your outcome?
thanks and have a great '98,     leslie

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hey, my name is liz, and i've been on the list since last spring, and never
posted anything. i thought i'd finaly introduce myself to all the people that
i haven't sent random e-mails to yet and say hi to all others.

the reason i finaly decided to post was because tonightr i had the most
heartwarming ig chat. i'm a singer-songwriter, probably like half the others
on the list- and i play at open-mics every week. this september at the bates
concert, i had my guitar signed by the indigo0girls (that's a whole nother
story that is amazing, yes, to all of you who were there, i'm he freak who
brought her guitar and had bright purple hair at the time.) anyway, ater i
played tonight, this adorable guy came up to me, and began to compliment my
music. he then proceded to ask if it was the indigo girl's signature on my
guitar, and when i said yes he got almost as excited as i had hen i got it
signed (which is pretty exciting.)

well, i hope you enjoyed my little story, it's nice to finaly intoduce myself.
and if you live in the boston area and want to see my guitar you can find me
at passim in cambridge on tuesdays and the casual cup on thrusdays. my hair
isn't urple anymore!!!!
happy new year
~liz

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help!  are the stores not carrying ms. until a certain date?  do they send
it out to their subscribers first????  i've tried every bookstore around
here (even my local feminist bookstore which is usually quite good about
carrying magazines like ms. and the utne reader), and they all have the
same thing-- the previous addition of ms.  if anyone has any information,
please, please, please e-mail me!!!!!!

:-) karen

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in a message dated 98-01-01 22:31:27 est, indigo@mindspring.com quoted
darren's comments:

<< most influential artists of the 90's as voted on by internet users >>

hey y'all, i took this to mean influential in general, not just influential to
other musicians (as deb  pointed out she did not see them as influential to
other musicians).  the ig are one of the defining things of the 90's in my own
little life, and i would absolutely count them as being a major, major
influence, as i'm sure many other internet users and ig fans would.  not only
that, but you have to think about how many girl groups there were when the ig
got started, and how many there are now.  i think a lot of the growth is owing
to the girls popularity, message and success.  unfortunately, their music just
isn't that mainstream because of the serious message.  oh well, c'est la vie
babies.  hope you guys are enjoying the new year so far!

bonnie

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hey guys-
  i had heard that amy and emily were playing a benefit concert in new york
sometime in january or february.  does anybody know anything else about it,
such as where i can get tickets?

rachel

ps happy new year, y'all!

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>i just love everything a&e stand for.  . .
>anybody know how to make bumper stickers? i want one that says amy ray >for
>president in the year 2000!!! yeah!!


oh, i think this is an excellent idea. i don't normally put bumper
stickers on my car, but i'd love to have that decorating my bumper!

so, anyone have any 'bumper sticker' connections?

:-)

jan

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bumper stickers with amy for prez?

hmmm...surely out of all the people on the list ,one has some sort of
connection with someone who works somewhere where they make them (bumper
stickers are pretty cheap btw)

how about some buttons too?

i'll buy 3...

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hi little kittens! happy 98 to y'all! and a big thank you to all of you who
sent birthday greetings, gifts, cards, cheese, and tapes! i have truly been
blessed this birthday....i thought it was gonna be kinda grim, what with me
being in my late 20's now (cough) but every year keeps getting better and
better like...what else....a good aged cheese?

anyhoo,

so i went to key west for christmas, which was fun, except for being forced
daily to look at men in speedos that had me seriosuly traumatized and forced me
to drink large quantities of alcohol. i opened this up to the bostonians but
i'll ask you guys too....what is up with banana hammocks? i mean, they are just
not cute. one of you nice fellas on this list, can you help me out here? why do
perfectly sane men wear them?

.... also i went to rainy day records. but i got alllll shy and didn't
introduce myself to perry and marsha, who seem like really really kind
people....really really kind people who don't sell anything made by the indigo
girls. nada. zip. zilcho. that's okay tho, i didn't ask any questions about
that. some things are actually none of my business, and that list is pretty
short ;)

did anyone get any indigo-related stuff for christmas they wanna brag about? i
didn't, but i did get a new coffee grinder, new toenail clippers, and rainbow
colored fuzzy dice! thanks, grandma!

xo,
sus

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well, they were a huge influence on the lilith fair according to sarah m.

on thu, 1 jan 1998, deb wrote:

> who would you say ig has influenced (musically) in 1997, excluding local
> atlanta artists?
>

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hey,    who were the most influential people? did anyone make a list or
anything.  i heard them mention live, but then i turned it off.  i don't
really like 99x too much,,,
                                        chelsea


>as some of you may recall, 99x in atlanta is spending new years playing th
>emost influential artists of the 90's as voted on by internet users...amy
>and emily came in at #14...just behing metallica.  i'm sorta surprised
>

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>hey, who were the most influential people?

the top three were r.e.m. (#3), pearl jam (#2) and, of course,
nirvana (#1). i did hear beck earlier in the day, around #8, i think,
and right after them was the dave matthews band.

i'm keeping an eye on the 99x website to see if they'll post
a comprehensive list or anything. i'll let ya know ...

cathy, an x-er all the way!

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in a message dated 98-01-02 13:31:51 est, poprckgrrl@aol.com writes:

<< bumper stickers with amy for prez? >>

why, someone took me seriously!?? :) wow!! i hope someone out there has the
power!!

rick
doesn't own a car, but still wants a sticker.
hmm. what about emily, though?!?

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since many people on this list seem to be budding or accomplished
musicians, i am looking  for a few answers as well as a little
encouragement.
1)  how long would it take someone who has never picked up a guitar to
learn to play?
2) are there any stories of how long some people have been playing,i.e.
people who got good in 6 months, practicing x hours a day, etc...?
3)  what ig songs are good starters, i have been picking at the intro to
ctf for 3 weeks...
4) can people offer any advice, i.e. nylon strings or certain types of
guitars and anything else, i really want to be rock star.

you can email me privately, i would love to talk to some musicians but i
think other people on the list would be interested to hear other peoples
tales of learning the guitar....
looking forward to getting good enough to play an ig song well
kerri
p.s.  i first heard ig in high school (1990) and i never heard them before
until their concert.  needless to say, 7 years later i am still hooked,
and have introduced them to my mother, 6 best friends, and my little
brother (yeah!)

thanks in advance for your help.


kerri hannan
gainesville, fl

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i remember a while ago somebody mentioned a place on the web where you can
pick what kind of music you want to listen to and like a radio station, they
play music of that genre.  could somebody help me with this?
and i'm going to make my vote count in 2000.  amy ray all the way, baby.
since i missed voting in the last presidential election by 2 days, i will make
a difference in my country this time around.  i want a bumper sticker!
                                                  stephanie

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how about

ray/saliers
   2000

with a little indigo girls some something somewhere...

no one will get it 'cept for the people who get it :)

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in a message dated 98-01-02 19:18:27 est, poprckgrrl wrote:

<<
how about

ray/saliers
    2000
  >>

well, i'm a supporter for emily.  why does amy get all the glory, huh?

lol

wmntime

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well, i gotta say, amy said in one article that emily was the politician
and amy was a more behind the scenes kind of operator... maybe emily for
prez and amy for secty of state... although at least there is one woman
in a high powered(relatively) position!
hmmm..i'll take  a sticker though!!!  :}
anne

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i was thinking that since the girls are always saying that emily is the
one that actually might want to run for office at some point, she should
be the one running for president. besides, i'm a bit partial to emily.

i think both mumber stickers and buttons are a wonderful idea, but what
about magnets for my refridgerator?


lcasey

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date:         fri, 2 jan 1998 20:28:25 -0800
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well, since it's oftentimes the first lady that runs things anyway,
perhaps em & amy need to get married and then em can run for president.
winona laduke would make an excellent vp -- she ran once; this time
she'll make it!

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hi.  i have a lot of really random questions to ask.  sorry.
1. when people make boots of concerts and stuff, how do they do it?
from hand held recorders or what?  and how to people get hold of copies
from the switchboard or whatever it's called?

2.  does anyone know if its possible to get sessions at west 54th or
austin city limits from ct?

3.  in the song following my compass by kristen wall what is emily
singing in backup?  i know that part of it is open up your skies.  but
then i can't figure out the rest.  and every time they sing the chorus
it changes a little.

4.  does anyone know what the chord g/c looks like (as in fret numbers)
from river?

5.  i read in ladyslipper catalogue that there's a 1200 curfews songbook
but i've never seen it in stores.  anybody have it?  is it good?

6.does anybody know anything about the virginia slam concert?  dates?
location?

i think that's all.  i prolly hjave morebut i forgot them.  thanks.
julia

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date:         fri, 2 jan 1998 20:43:34 est
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you guys wrote:
>
>so, anyone have any 'bumper sticker' connections?

well, you can make your own.  type your motto up on a computer, and then
go play at kinko's!  enlarge it, cut it to the size you want, and take
it to the counter.  i think they can print it up on paper that's sticky
on the back, the kind of paper you can make stickers from.  then have
'em laminate the top surface.  or, if they can't laminate just the top,
take some of that wide clear packaging tape and put that on the top to
make it waterproof.  i've made car sticker thingies like this before...
have fun, kiddeeeees.
love,
jill, playing at carol's house (hi steph/anna/bethany/karen/kirby, et
al.)

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ok thats it, i am changing my field of studies for politics. then i can
marry emily, and then i' ll run for president(when i want something...),
and then like you say, she's gonna run things anyway... oups, did i say
that outloud?

july, who got a little carried away, high on chocolate milk

on fri, 2 jan 1998, faye memolo wrote:
> well, since it's oftentimes the first lady that runs things anyway,
> perhaps em & amy need to get married and then em can run for president.

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hey!  i'd vote for amy ray for  pres any day!!!!!  wow!  what an awesome
first woman president she would make.  wait?!  is she even
constitutionally old enough to run?  ;-)

as far as being influential goes, sure our goddesses are not as
mainstream as like (ummmm....) nine inch nails (?) or pearl jam
but look at how they influence all of us.  and yes, the lilith fair tour.
didn't the vh1 special say that when amy and emily arrived, they were the
ones who brought all the musicians together?!  and look at how influential
the lilith tour was.  plus, amy and emily are influential to young women
who want to be musicians or achieve any other dream.  i mean, they were
included in "daughters of the moon, sisters of the sun"  and finally, they
seem to be pretty influential to women in general.  i mean, ms. magazine
included them in the special issue.  so who cares if the advocate
"forgets" about amy or emily, or if the spice girls get more radio
airplay, or if people in the crappy aol music chatrooms flame you for
saying you love the indigo girls (yes, that has happened to me several
times. . . i get responses like "ewww...lesbians" or "they suck!").  the
indigo girls are influential in a very special way.

peace, love, :-) and ig,
karen :-)
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i know that the virginia slam is in ny ...dates still up in the air

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sorry to waste band width but i have an announcement to make:
rudyburman@aol.com had announced a possible meeting in nyc for all of those
who are nearby.  we will most definitely be meeting on the 6th but rudy's
motherboard crashed and she has not had access to a computer.  she called me
tonight and we discussed the meet.
what we need from all of you who would like to meet are suggestions of
locations.  please keep in mind that not everyone who will be coming will be
21 and able to get into a bar.  we were thinking somewhere in the village or
soho but thought we'd leave it up to y'all.  please respond to me, not to the
list or to rudy, because we will be coordinating it over the telephone.
thanks,
carrie

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in a message dated 98-01-02 22:18:13 est, klrosenb@wittenberg.edu (indigo
girls rule) wrote:

<< hey!  i'd vote for amy ray for  pres any day!!!!!  wow!  what an awesome
first woman president she would make.  wait?!  is she even
constitutionally old enough to run?  ;-)
  >>

yes, you need to be 35 to be president, and amy will reach that exalted age
in '99, so yes, she can run for prez in '00. - lol

wmntime (who reached that exalted age a few weeks ago, so now i can run for
president!)

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emily looked really cool on the view.  i loved those clothes!   i love the way
the indigos don't dress up.   i mean, emily had on the kind of outfit that i
would have worn to the supermarket!!

oh--amy looked great, too! :)

wmntime

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can i marry amy? :)


at 09:03 pm 1/2/98 -0500, you wrote:
>ok thats it, i am changing my field of studies for politics. then i can
>marry emily, and then i' ll run for president(when i want something...),
>and then like you say, she's gonna run things anyway... oups, did i say
>that outloud?
>
>july, who got a little carried away, high on chocolate milk
>
>on fri, 2 jan 1998, faye memolo wrote:
>> well, since it's oftentimes the first lady that runs things anyway,
>> perhaps em & amy need to get married and then em can run for president.
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> subject: the view - emily
>
> emily looked really cool on the view.  i loved those clothes!   i love the way
> the indigos don't dress up.   i mean, emily had on the kind of outfit that i
> would have worn to the supermarket!!
>
> oh--amy looked great, too! :)
>
> wmntime
>
amy always looks great!  ;-)

:-) karen

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happy new year fellow listees - welcome 1998!

for my first post of the new year i want to say a happy indigo hello and
welcome to all the new listees out there. it seems there's a lot of you. i'm
thinking there must be a lot of folks taking the self-administered test at
that wonderful website 'you know you're an obsessed indigo girls fan if...'
and answering at least half of the questions in the affirmative... btw- does
anyone know if that will be updated anytime soon? i think we have a bunch of
new suggestions out there that might be fun...my fav that i saw posted here
recently went something like this:
-    '...if you now eat black beans and rice with a passion every day!'

does anyone know the lyrics to wild horses? i checked lifeblood lyrics site
but it's not there. if you do know the words, or know the site where i can
find them, i'd be grateful if you would email me privately. thanks in
advance~leah

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i hate to do the 'me too' thing,so...ditto.
thanks.


---debigogrl <debigogrl@aol.com> wrote:
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> happy new year's eve to all in the land of indigo!
>
> as people have posted, landslide is a very old
> fleetwood mac song, written by stevie nicks
> from about 20 years ago.  it is a great song, very
> sad, about changing and relationships.  it is on
> the new live cd that fleetwood mac released
> called 'the dance'.
>
> now, i have read that several people said they heard
> amy and emily perform bits of it at red rocks, and
> possibly the whole song in one or more shows in
> california (berkley?).  if so.....is there a boot out
> there with this song on it?  if anyone could let me
> know how to get a copy of it, i would greatly appreciate it!
>
> thanks a lot!
>
> take care and peace!
>
> -deb
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um, yeah, insomnia.  it's great.
sitting here, listening to a boot and getting almost moved to tears (okay,
i lied, i *did* cry, darn it) by amy softly pleading "carry me away".  oh,
ow, ow, ow.  that freakin' song, argh, so sad, i'm feelin' whatever she
was at the time.  ;,{ and i miss the list and it's really cold in this
house and this town is so *nothing* that i'm going stir-crazy.  carol and
i went into one of those accessory-type-places in the mall (yeah, i was at
the dadgum *mall*, for the love of pete wells.  don't hold it against me)
and it was teeming with pubescent chicks.  really chick chicks.  i bet
they were all just in there hoping hanson would come on over the piped-in
pop crud they call music.  so ucky (the girls, i mean.  well, yeah, the
"music" too, but mostly the girls), man, you could smell the gap in their
noxema-ed pores.
oh so bitter are we tonight.  oh so weird are we that we are even
pluralizing ourself.  i saw my very first girlfriend ever tonight, and for
the second time in almost two years (first time was last night), we got
along well and i didn't leave the encounter sobbing and hoping some car
would hit mine head-on.  (oh, love is a many splendord thing, no?)  seems
she's spending a semester at parson's school of design in nyc and she's
scared witless.  i was wondering if any random listees in that area would
like to oh, say, show up on her doorstep and show her what kind of awesome
people live in new york.  she's all alone, and i don't know what to do.
she needs some community there.  so any cool college-age listees, drop me
a line and we'll network.  woo.  she's an ig fan.  but of course.  so
you'd have *something* to talk about, eh?  okay, enough pushing the
envelope.
i was up at this time last night, flipping channels, when outta nowhere,
bam!, amy's face on the screen.  whoa.  had to stop there.  it was the
lilith vh-1 thing.  has anyone else noticed how amy looks different at
different times?  wait, that was a pathetic sentence.  lemme try again...
while watching the tv, i noticed what incredibly huge eyes she has, and
she looked really sweetly adorable.  but then i see her on stage and
sexual tension (to quote frank n. furter) just pours out that guitar.  you
know what i mean.  tigger knows, i'm sure.  she seems to be many different
people.  emily wishes she were a trinity?  i think amy's already achieved
that.  tell me i'm not just a crack rock... has anyone else noticed this?
[okay, maybe not everyone else notices the stupid stuff i do, like the way
words feel ("evanescent" feels very sparkly, glittery, crinoline, blue and
white to me, for example) or how people's energy fields/auras/chakras/
whatever click.  uh, yeah, i guess i *am* a crack rock.  never mind.  i
think i think rather oddly.  just ignore me.]
um, one last thing:  i'm going to learn to play acoustic guitar, like
everybody else on this list (heh), and i'm, as usual, clueless.  what
kinda guitar?  how much should this be costing me?  how long do i have to
work at it till i can play something worthwhile?  anybody gotta guitar
they want to sell me?  whatever...
yawn.
jill

go ahead and flame me for giving you junk to scroll through-- i need more
drama in my life.


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                                          -amy ray

"...the activists crowned a live sheep miss america and paraded it on the
boardwalk to parody the way the contestants, and, by extension, all women,
'are appraised and judged like animals at a country fair.'"
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thought this would be of interest 'round here. i've edited out the headers
& the rest of the digest, but have left the info about outvoice! in case
some of y'all are interested in subscribing. in case you don't want to
wade through all this, "it's alright" was voted 6th best track and sots
was voted best album of 1997.
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date: sat, 03 jan 1998 01:27:39 -0800
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subject: outvoice!!  unofficial "best of '97" charts

outvoice!!  dec. 28, 1997-jan. 3, 1998

the *unofficial* best of 1997 (your votes for best of '97 - sent in during
the month of december)

here are your top 20 votes for best track of 1996:
(note: this is the *unofficial* chart based on votes sent in via e-mail
during the month of december 1997.  there will also be an *official* chart
based on a scoring system of all top ten charts for the past year.  this
*official* chart will be sent out in the next few days.  starting at the
end of next year,  there will only be the official year-end charts based on
a scoring system.)

1.  dance song '97 - sleater-kinney
2.  your woman - white town
3.  somewhere - pet shop boys
4.  candle in the wind '97 - elton john
5.  in or out - ani difranco
6.  it's alright - indigo girls
7.  dear john - fallopian tubes
8.  fernando - san francisco gay men's chorus
9.  i want everything - steve cohen
10. taxi driver from hell - fallopian tubes
11. men are pigs (but why keep kosher?) - kinsey sicks
12. the air that i breathe - k.d. lang
13. bill - peggy scott-adams
14. one more hour - sleater-kinney
15. beaver - kinsey sicks
16. color out of colorado- john treacy egan & co.
17. theme from valley of the dolls - k.d. lang
18. dig me out - sleater-kinney
19. words and guitars - sleater-kinney
20. in my arms - erasure

here are your top 20 votes for best album of 1996:

1.  shaming of the sun - indigo girls
2.  because rock 'n roll isn't pretty - fallopian tubes
3.  dig me out - sleater-kinney
4.  living in clip - ani difranco
5.  dragapella! - kinsey sicks
6.  extraabbaganza! - san francisco gay men's chorus
7.  drag - k.d. lang
8.  ho ho ho - rupaul
9.  more lovin' from our oven - pansy division
10. club verboten - various artists
11. happy town - jill sobule
12. naked - slojack
13. no mercy - extra fancy
14. memories of love - future bible heroes
15. silent too long - steve cohen
16. once upon a time called now - longstocking
17. getting off - scott free
18. avenue a - daniel cartier
19. sisters of avalon - cyndi lauper
20. cowboy - erasure

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 08:15:10 -0500
reply-to:     rick hodgin <foxmuldr@indy.net>
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><< bumper stickers with amy for prez? >>
>
>why, someone took me seriously!?? :) wow!! i hope someone out there has the
>power!!

hi rick!

i would buy this bumper sticker.  it is an excellent way to show appreciation
for amy. :)  what better way than to make her the most powerful person in the
world?  :)

- rick

ps - you know you can pencil in your own candidate when you vote. heheh :)

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 08:10:38 -0500
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hi folks-

it's my first nigc post of 1998! (ooo... i feel all tingly, warm &
lightheaded... but that might be because i just got sick - the flu or
sumthin - for the first time in 1998... but i digress from my nigc!)
;o)

i just found this - cuz it's brand new - launched on jan 1, 1998.

i thought some of you folks might be interested... patty griffin is a
young, talented, singer-songwriter from the n.e. some of you may have
seen her at lilith fair...

and i can make another shameless plug for songstreet productions (tell
rick lamacchia i said hi!)  :o)

     patty griffin will be appearing with ellis paul
     feb 21, 1998 - somerville theatre, davis sq, somerville, ma

:o)
happy new year!
mel
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                ~~~~~ announcement ~~~~~
the launching of the patty griffin mailing list:
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you can check out her page on the a&m records site at:
http://www.amrecords.com/current/pattygriffin/index.html

or a *great* fan page by jerry zigmont at:
http://nw3.nai.net/~zigmont

the patty griffin/mad-mission@smoe list homepage is at:
http://www.spectra.net/~ducksoup/pattyg/pattyg.htm

please spread the word around to any folks you feel may be interested
in joining this new list (launched january 1st).

to subscribe, send an e-mail to:

<mad-mission-request@smoe.org>

and have only the word:

subscribe

in the body of the e-mail. if you have a signature file attached to
your e-mails, please disable it. if you can't, then instead send the
following two-line command:

subscribe
end

to:  <mad-mission-request@smoe.org>

you will soon thereafter get an e-mail from <confirm@smoe.org>.

reply to that, sending back a key/code it sent you, and you are in...

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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 00:25:02 +0900
reply-to:     susan <scorpio7@sagami.or.jp>
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hey ya'll,

not too long ago there was someone on this list who posted about being on
an eric clapton list. if that person, or anyone else who has any
information, wouldn't mind telling me how to sign up, that would be great.
talk at ya'll later.
peace,
susan
scorpio7@sagami.or.jp

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 13:27:28 -0500
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subject:      looking for heather from ohio
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sorry to post this to the list, but i am looking for heather from ohio.
remember, we met at the columbus show and you gave me that magazine.  i
need to somehow get in contact with you, because i have something for you
in return.  please e-mail me!

again, sorry to post this to the list!

:-) karen

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        --indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
        --indigo girls (amy)

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east asian studies                                      political science
      major                                                  minor
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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 12:48:12 -0600
reply-to:     kc1 <casey@rea-alp.com>
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hello, list friends, i can design a sticker and get some printed, i just
don't know how many, but let's get a design we like first and then i will
get details on printing...what do you want it to say, something simple
remember, preferably two, possiblt three colors. but i've got the software
to do something nice, so post your ideas or e-mail me privately, let me
know what you think

kc1

committee to elect
ray/saliers in 2000


"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
              this world was meant for me.  don't bury me. carry me.

~ a. ray

"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
your while."

~ e. sailers

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 14:17:39 -0500
reply-to:     all amerikan grrrl <swood@satie.arts.usf.edu>
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from:         all amerikan grrrl <swood@satie.arts.usf.edu>
subject:      re: presidential idea
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> can i marry amy? :)

pick a number and stand in line!!!!!

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st-st-st-st-st-steph

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 14:28:28 est
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      i'm lookin for booty

my munchies!!!

not that kind of booty, you pre-verts!

i too am missing only one bootleg from all the shows i have seen...the hartford
meadows show from this summer (or was it spring? it was freakin cold....that
much i remember!)

i'll pay top dollar! no i won't cause some stoopid sentaor made it illegal :)
hmmm, lessee: what do i have? not much really!  a pleasant personality! a 3
year old car with 108,000 miles on it! a six pack of miller lite! and a couple
of really big.... candlesticks.

let me know what i can offer in trade from 100+ thingamabobbies (that's what we
can   call bootlegs now so the fcc and uncle sam and the man can't catch on to
us...heh heh heh snakey huh?) i can see all the  websites going up now..."i'll
trade you the bates thingamabobby for the wolf trap thingamabobby!"...you get
the picture. write me if you can help! thanks and have a nice day

sus
28 years old and still watches 90210

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 11:41:58 pst
reply-to:     nicola nelson <nicnelson@hotmail.com>
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subject:      m.malone cd 4 sale
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hi all -
i bought a michelle malone cd at the used cd store yesterday, and since
i don't care for it that much i'll offer it up to one of you who
are into her music.  here's the scoop:
michelle malone and drag the river "relentless"  - you can have it
for what i paid: $3 plus s.a.s.e.
anybody interested?
peace-nic

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 14:49:11 est
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does anybody have boots of a&e at the backyard in austin in aug of 96 or the
mary washington college show in fredricksburg from 10/21/97...i've been
looking for them for a while...no one seems to have them or is willing to
share te wealth

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reply-to:     cindy mckenzie <muse@ecis.com>
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subject:      no nabisco
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hi all... did anyone ver find out why the ban on nabisco? sorry if i missed
it before...
thanks!
peace, cindy

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subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 2 jan 1998 to 3 jan 1998 - special issue
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hi y'all

could any dar williams experts please recommend  one her cd's. what is she
like in concert??

thanks y'all

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 13:26:48 -0700
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i ended up with 2 extra tickets for the ig show in santa barbara on january
29. row n (center). does anyone want them? face value and whatever i paid
for ticketmaster costs. if interested, please email me.

allison
edgy@linkline.com

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 13:29:01 -0700
reply-to:     allison fraiberg <edgy@linkline.com>
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subject:      all ga for las vegas?
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does anyone know if all seats for the las vegas show on february 3 are
general admission? any reserved seating? thanks for any help.

allison
edgy@linkline.com

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sorry for the nigc, but i have a question for fran egan - if you read this,
please write me!

thanks

bonnie

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>hello, list friends, i can design a sticker and get some printed

what about those clear window cling-y things? those would be
even better. but is that advanced technology just way too much
to ask?? i certainly wouldn't know where to begin!
hey, a gal can dream ...

cathy

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did anyone get a boot of the denver 13th show?  you can respond privately
if you got it.  thanks.

katherine

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sorry for the nigc, but i thought you guys might find this
at least half as amusing as i did ...

as an escape from the daily terrors of my real life i find it
highly entertaining to tune in to the enchanting soap opera
"days of our lives" for a hilarious look at what my life might
possibly be like if i were rich beyond all belief and had
nothing to do all day except plan, get dressed for and go to
parties, and occasionally drive out a demon that seems to be
possessing my neighbor's body. (we all live in lovely penthouse
apartments, you know.)

anyhoo, at the new year's eve party/benefit hosted by the
imaginary magazine that everyone in salem works for (if don't
work for the hospital or the police department, that is)
they all counted down to midnight and then the music promptly
launched in to sarah mclachlan's "building a mystery."

now, i'm not picking up on any hidden meanings with this song,
unlike with many other songs played on days. (this summer, they
played "how do i live" nearly everyday when trying to conjure up
emotions between carrie and mike; and i can recall an earlier stint
of "unbreak my heart" with similar intentions for jennifer and jack,
but i digress ...)

i just found it highly amusing to be hearing our dear sarah in the middle
of days of our lives. her product placement people must be hard at work!

i chuckled to myself on the couch, my cat giving
me that "what the hell are you laughing about" look.
:)
cathy, trying hard not to listen to the voices in my head

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"you laugh and laughing fall apart"    -- phish
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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 17:56:57 -0500
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hi y'all!

i saw amy ray and her side band do a cover of "the kids are alright"
by the who in athens at the atomic music club.

- rick

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in a message dated 98-01-03 16:52:40 est, catherineann@mindspring.com writes:

<< what about those clear window cling-y things? those would be
even better. >>


yeah! those are the best! but i really think we should include emily in on
this deal. i mean, just think how she would feel if she saw a car drivin by
that said amy ray for prez, and not her! i would be sad! :( but, yeah, i would
definitely buy one! :d
dana

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reply-to:     cathy <catherineann@mindspring.com>
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>but i really think we should include emily in on
>this deal. i mean, just think how she would feel if she saw a car drivin by
>that said amy ray for prez, and not her! i would be sad!


"ray/saliers 2000" is definitely the way to go!

oh, how sad *i* would be to learn that i caused a sadness in dear emily.
we better be careful here! and since i'm in atlanta there is that very real,
however unlikely, chance that one of the girls may actually see my car at
some point! i drive around all day singing ig tunes and checkin' out the
passengers of the cars around me in hopes that they will be amy or em.
oh how cool it would be. we could sing a little duet (or trio!) at the stoplight
at peachtree and roswell road.

hey, a gal's gotta dream ... :)

later, all!
cathy, rapidly runnin' outta gas!

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 19:54:42 -0500
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hey,
        i just checked out the 99x page and here are the 25 most influential
artists of the 90's

25. radiohead
24. beastie boys
23. alanis morisette
22. stone temple piolots
21. oasis
20. tori amos!!!
19. soundgarden
18. foo fighters
17. greenday :(
16. counting crows
15. 311
14. indigo girls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!\
13. live!
12. metallica
11. bush
10. janes addiction
9. beck
8. dave mathews!!!!
7. sarah mclachlan!!!!
6. u2!!!!
5. nine inch nails
4. smashing pumpkins
3. rem!!!!
2. pearl jam
1. nirvana

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 19:57:41 -0500
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is anyone going to see dar williams in atlanta on wednesday at the variety
playhouse.  also can you give me some info on dar? i have the honesty room...
                                                chelsea

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 19:49:11 -0500
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hey folks ... i'll be in atlanta later this up-
coming week ... and i'm looking for an "indigo-tour"
type of itinerary ... any suggestions????

i remember a bit back someone who had a map of
some type for indigo sights, etc ...

can anyone help ...
email me canf_cc@access-k12.org
thanks
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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 18:04:18 -0800
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i have a boot of the 10/13/97 dar concert in eugene if anyone is
interested. it's taken me a while to get it onto one tape. i also have
the opening act richard shindell who was very good. email me if
interested. i'm also still wondering who booted the 7/12 concert at the
pier this summer. i think i sent tapes for it, but i'm not sure. can
anyone help, please? muchas gracias.
-sam

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hey,
        i am very upset.  for all the ani difranco fans- when does sessions at
54th street come on tonight in atlanta?  my parents saw ani on it last
night..  can anyone help? e-mail me please.
                                chelsea

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wanted to say thanks to everyone who gave me their opinion on the
watershed video and for making me feel welcome to the list. i got the
video yesterday afternoon and absolutely loved it. how could i not?!
then, today i bought 1200 curfews. i have been having a totally ig
weekend. it's heaven! thanks again, you're great! syd

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date:         sat, 3 jan 1998 22:06:43 -0500
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on sat, 3 jan 1998, cathy wrote:
> "ray/saliers 2000" is definitely the way to go!

hum ...okay...hi! yes it is a great idea, but since i am part of the
minority (as always..) who lives in canada, i somewhat dont feel totally
involved...  of course there is the possibility i become a us citizen if
somehow i get to marry amy ( yes st-st-st-steph, that is if i pick the
right number) but... anyway.. to get to the point, dont you have any other
ideas? and if you dont, i guess i can still design my own bumper sticker
or window clingy...

> cathy, rapidly runnin' outta gas
july, saying maybe you should take example on amy, and ride your bike...

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hey - i had a mondo idea (ooh did i just say that?  <cringe>)

i read in an article amy said once that someone thought of making decals of
her tattoo.  what if we did that???????

ok, if it's a stupid idea, please don't shoot me down.  be nice.  my ego is
fragile and cannot be beaten without falling completely into tiny little
pieces.

peace, harmony, and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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sherlyn, please email me. got the package and want to thank you :)

michelle

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on sat, 3 jan 1998, ndygotiggr wrote:
> i read in an article amy said once that someone thought of making decals of
> her tattoo.  what if we did that???????

ok, i can draw pretty well, if you can get amy anywhere near me so i can
decal her tattoo... that be great... seriously, to do that i think we
would actually have to ask her, otherwise i think it would be
disrespectful. so if one of you get to say a few words to her, during a
concert or something, well,... forget it, i dont think you would be even
able to ask about bumper stickers...

july ;)

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i really like let it be me.  i know it's relatively simple, but still, can we
have a list discuss???

the part of this song i like best is the exchange near the end, where it's
like:

a:i seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change
e: yeah but the power of truth is a fuel for the flame

it seems like a dialogue between them, does that make sense?

but what does everyone take on the first few lines "sticks and stones, battle
zones, a single lightbulb on a single thread for the black, sirens wail,
history fails, rose-colored glass begins to age and crack"

peace, harmony, and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
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and we stand like spotlights in a mighty tower
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does anyone know where i can find ms. magazine.  i have never seen it before.
                        -chelsea

at 03:19 pm 1/1/1998 -0500, you wrote:
>hey everyone!
>
>i know somebody already mentioned that ig were in ms. and i just wanted
>to further encourage everyone to go out and buy that issue of ms.! the
>article is great-insightful and intelligent, plus there is a great
>candid photo of winona laduke and amy and emily together, smilin' and
>laughin'. very sweet. :)
>
>and if *that* isn't enough to motivate you to run out and buy ms.
>magazine's latest issue,then you're also going to miss out on a letter ani
>difranco sent to ms. which is long and hysterically funny (imho).
>
>the reason why i'm plugging for ms. magazine is cuz they dont rely on any
>advertisements to pay for their production costs which means taht
>customers and subscribers like you are *very* important for ms. to stay
>afloat! please go out and buy a copy, if not for the indigo girls, then at
>least to support ms.
>
>:)
>thanks (getting off my soapbox now)
>happy new year everyone!
>
>therese
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what the heck, i love this song and i'm in a weird kind of mood...i need
to keep myself busy!  so let me say a bit...sorry if this makes no
sense...

well, i always picture the beginnig as kind of the setting...establishing
a whole bunch of conflicts...it seems kinda violent.  and for some reason
the lightbulb line makes me think of two people in a room with only a
single light...they are arguing in this semi-dark room...but that's just
what i picture.  the rose colored glass thing...well, i think that it is
just saying that some people think that the world is all good, but if
they take a long look there's a lot of crap going on, and those pristine
images of the goodness and holiness of everything do not hold up.
anyway, it's abviously a political song....how people are so far removed
from eachother that i guess a lot of disadventageoud decisions are made
(i guess that'd be the "the world seems spent and the president has no
good idea of who the masses are..." part)  so they are just trying to get
by in the world, but so many people don't know what they want, and see
things in a twisted kind of way. i love the "i've seen the kingdoms blow
like ashes in the winds of change, but the power of truth is the fuel for
the flame" line soooooooooooooo much!!!  i think it is really cool!  i
think that tigger has a good point that is a dialog between them (there,
is that good for your ego tigger??? :)...).  i think that it is talking
about how nothing is permanent, and that sometimes people get caught up
in trying to make things better, but doing that is really kind of futile.
like i guess that some might say that lying (whether to yourself or
others) could make things better, but sometimes you have to go with the
truth, even if it hurts you.  i dunno, i know what i want to say but it
is not working very well at all.  hmm, congrats to all who have actually
attempted to make sense of this...i'm usually not so tongue
tied....sorry!!  well, maybe there is some discussion in what i just
said...like a "oh my, carolyn has no clue" discussion!  :)  maybe i'll
try to spit it out tomorrow...maybe not, though!  please feel free to
flame...i like mail! (ok, i'm messed up..)

love,
carolyn!

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hello all....

i don;t think the reproduction of amy's tattoo would be all that
disrespectful...didn't amy say somewhere that it was a symbol of peace and
love and all those good things? it would be a shame not to spread that...maybe
it would be tho' i dont know...i'm prolly just being selfish :o) but i love
her tattoo and think it's and awesome idea!

~meaghan

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could i also get the info? thanks a bunch!

                                                        christy :)

at 07:49 pm 1/3/98 -0500, you wrote:
>hey folks ... i'll be in atlanta later this up-
>coming week ... and i'm looking for an "indigo-tour"
>type of itinerary ... any suggestions????
>
>i remember a bit back someone who had a map of
>some type for indigo sights, etc ...
>
>can anyone help ...
>email me canf_cc@access-k12.org
>thanks
>chris
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carolyn~
i agree with you, except that i'm not sure i think the grrls are saying it is
futile to continue to change. look at the next few lines" and the darker the
ages get, there is a stronger beakon yet" this could either be-- keep going;
we'll find the beakon or they could be saying (and you would be right) that
the ages are getting darker and darker as we go along. i'm not sure.

anyone?!

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libm is so pretty!  i think i almost (*almost* :) miss their "naked" music
like this, where the harmonies are so tight and they sound so young and
sincere.  it's "crunchy" (gawd, that's my favorite word these days) but it's
yummy.  especially a:"this is not a fighting song!  not a wrong for a
wrong!"  and "if the word is niiiiiiii iiii iiii iiii ight.  shine my life
like a light."  they really do seem to be singing it *together*, don't they?
i love it when they switch off lines like this.

tigger said:
>but what does everyone take on the first few lines "sticks and stones, battle
>zones, a single lightbulb on a single thread for the black, sirens wail,
>history fails, rose-colored glass begins to age and crack"
i think these are just a series of images to give the idea of war and
optimism.  there's a light in the darkness of war, but "history fails" i
think means that we don't learn from our mistakes--we fail history, so to
speak.  the hippies and pacifists were said to look at life through
"rose-colored glasses" during the vietnam war; perhaps she means that kind
of blind optimism hasn't proved an effective impetus for real change.  the
next line or two "in an endless split decision, never solve anything/ the
darker the ages get/ there's a stronger beacon yet/ let it be me", are
related to that; the only way you're gonna change anything is changing
yourself and working from there.  grass roots effort.  the "single
lightbulb" is hope.

wow!  now i feel motivated!!!!  wonder what's on tv?  ;-p

h, who can't imagine the girls doing blondie, sorry!

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okey doke...this is directed to those of ya'll (i couldn't resist) that
are contributing to the listee cover tape :)
out of the 20-25 initial responses, only five people have sent me their
tapes...that's good and bad - good because you all have more time to
make some beautiful recordings....bad, because it's going to slow down
the whole "tape making" process...remember?! it was supposed to "be done
during the first week of january." :)
ummmm...i guess this means that i'm opening up the offer again, since
the tape senders have been so small in number.  if anyone new is
interested, please e-mail me...i really want this sucker to fly.
i'm gonna do it no matter what and can surely manage to put together a
damned good tape with just the six of us, but i think a little more
variety is necessary :)
i'm now shooting for the end of january....that's when i'll officially
be putting it together. :)  that's the deadline folkies.....
again...if you're at all interested, e-mail me for details......

-bethany ;)

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well, here's my two cents on one of my favorite ig tunes...i think this
song really speaks to what ig are all about, grass roots action, people
connecting with people, making a difference in the world through your
actions....

> from: ndygotiggr <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
> the part of this song i like best is the exchange near the end, where
it's
> like:
> a:i seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change
> e: yeah but the power of truth is a fuel for the flame
> it seems like a dialogue between them, does that make sense?

     yeah i think that does make sense, i think the song is saying that
those in power do fall, you can't count on them for change... and why do
they fall, because they have been exposed or shown to be less than
powerful, but the next line is saying that this sort of change is good it
fuels the fire of revolution, change for the better.  things may seem
tragic and hopeless in the world around us, but there is a beacon of
hope...let it be me...i have the power to create change through my actions


> but what does everyone take on the first few lines "sticks and stones,
battle
> zones, a single lightbulb on a single thread for the black, sirens wail,
> history fails, rose-colored glass begins to age and crack"
>
i think the song is saying that there are many things that ail our world,
politicians aren't the answer, we are the answer, the people of the world,
through communication and understanding we have the power to create change,
that's what grass roots politics really comes down to in the end....perhaps
a little idealistic when you spell it all out, but that's why i love ig,
their music is very hopeful.  okay that's what i think...somebody else's
turn

kc1

"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
              this world was meant for me.  don't bury me. carry me.

~ a. ray

"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
your while."

~ e. sailers

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hey, does anybody remember this old radio show that was on public radio?
they used to say, "chicken man! (he's everywhere!  he's everywhere!)".  i
don't recall the premise, but it's the same guy (i think) who used to do
"the tooth fairy".

just thinking that if chicken man is everywhere then he'd be like god..then
the chickeman ~ god thing'd make sense...rofl

i'll go away now :))

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evenin' fellow listees,

please accept my profound apologies for the waste of bandwidth, i'll keep it
short.  i'm moving to vancouver, bc, at the end of the month, and am looking
for local listers to fill me in on the community life out there, and just
details on life in general. any help would be greatly appreciated, if you've
got anything you'd like to share, please email me privately.  thanks ever so
much,

bec.

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> but what does everyone take on the first few lines "sticks and stones, battle
> zones, a single lightbulb on a single thread for the black, sirens wail,
> history fails, rose-colored glass begins to age and crack"
this last line is easy history fails rose colored glass begins to age and
crack means looking at the world trough rose colored glasses or in this
case history as time goes on it gets harder to do the glasses break they
age and crack also pertians to history with as time goes on more info is
dug up think about all the now declassified government documents that tell
us stuff we didnt know before

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carolyn wrote:
>>from:    carolyn e turett <ceturett@juno.com>
subject: re: can we have a list-discussion on let it be me?
>>well, i always picture the beginnig as kind of the >>setting...establishing
>>a whole bunch of conflicts...it seems kinda violent.

i agree the beginning of the song does sound violent. but when i saw them do
this in september, emily said it was a song about peace and making a
difference.

i do think that's what this song is about. i think the title has a very
literal meaning. if everyone said "let it be me" -- let me be the beacon and
not the president or the government or the un etc, etc. things would be
better. you know, it's all about how you can change and improve things with a
grassroots movement.

my 2 cents.

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> can i marry amy? :)

nope.  i'm afraid amy already asked for my hand in marriage........oops!  that
was supposed to be a secret....now that i've told you i have to kill you.....

just kidding, of course...well, about the killing part...i'm still marrying
amy.....

hee hee,
sharon

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here is my two cents on the song...okay, when i saw the columbus show on 1
dec, they played it (surprised me!!!!!)!!!!!!  when they introduced it, em
said "this is about peace"  that is all she said.

i have always thought that the song has socialist messages in it.  this
line always strikes me "when you see turning off the lightswitch is their
only power, but we spin like spotlights on a mighty tower, all for one and
one for all,then we sing the common call."  now, i was (at one point) a
political science major, and i don't know why, but i see little subtle
socialist messages in there.

that is my two cents on that.

now, someone asked about dar...here is my two cents on this one...get
either the honesty room or mortal city.  i tend to favor the honesty room,
but i know a bunch of people who like mortal city better.  and yes, she is
amazing in concert!  she always does meet and greets and she even
remembered me!  and that is not uncommon!  she remembers her fans.  and
she puts on awesome shows!  if you have the chance, go see her!!!!

:-) karen

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in a message dated 1/3/98 10:33:15 pm, you wrote:

<<what about those clear window cling-y things? those would be
even better. but is that advanced technology just way too much
to ask?? i certainly wouldn't know where to begin!
hey, a gal can dream ...
>>

i agree with cathy!  a girl can dream~

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> what about those clear window cling-y things?

if anyone makes some of these i'll buy 5. :)

- rick

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let it be me was one of my favorite ig songs.  i think it was their
harmonies that did it.  it always seemed like a very powerful
presentation for a song.  this song, galileo, ghost, and all the
others ... they really had it going on rop!!! :)

ok, what do i think it means?  i've always thought it was a statement
regarding their position in society and relevent to the condition of
things going on.  like if there's a corrupt politician somewhere and
the system's not working then they are saying "let it be me" who stands
up to correct it, or to lead the correction struggle.

when all seems dark the beacon shines brighter because most everyone
will be following and not leading.  then when someone stands up (let it
be me) the beacon will seem so strong because everyone is wallowing in
darkness.  how bright is a matchlight in the midnight hours?  and how
bright is a matchlight in the midday hours?  both are the same but
one seems brighter because of the surroundings (our society is
better/worse, bright/dim).  in the dimmer hours anyone who stands up
will be seen because people are searching for anything brighter to
cling to.

have any of you see the postman?  this movie explains exactly what i'm
saying.  when the height of the hour is so low that all seems hopeless
any beacon will stand out, but the beacon of true and dedicated intent
will reign supreme.  let it be me.  :)

- rick

ps - if you haven't seen the postman i would highly recommend it.
     also, titanic.  :)  both are over 3 hrs 15 min. :)

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if you want
i can try to help out if a layout design is needed.

---rick hodgin <foxmuldr@indy.net> wrote:
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> > what about those clear window cling-y things?
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> if anyone makes some of these i'll buy 5. :)
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> - rick
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the lord there's people out there like you...
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ok, just got up on sunday morning and came across tiggr's msg from
last night re: one of my favorite all-time tunes, "let it be me."
here's my take on the opening part, which speaks to the violent age
in which we find ourselves:


> "sticks and stones,  (sticks-n-stones may break my bones...)
>  battle zones (obvious)
>  a single lightbulb on a single thread for the black, (reminds me of
              amnesty int'l's  symbol)
>  sirens wail (we've all heard the t.v. news, right?)
>  history fails (those who do not learn from history are condemned to
              repeat it)
>  rose-colored glass begins to age and crack" (somebody else alluded
              to the image of rose-colored glasses, and the pain &
disillusionment which often ensues after reality takes
hold and deals a few hearty blows to the idealist)

my take.  btw, i have always considered the line about "from a
neighbor's distant land/i hear the strain of the common man"  to be
referencing the struggles of oppressed peoples in latin america (e.g.
nicaragua, chiapas, el salvador, etc.)
this song always makes me feel so proud to be a part of the activist
community, and is a never-ending source of strength and encouragement
for me when i'm feeling down and discouraged.  if only everybody felt
this way about life...
the sentiment of this song is a huge part of why i first got turned on
to a & e.
peace-nic
p.s.
if you haven't heard from me re: the m.malone cd it means you didn't
get it...sorry!  wish i had 20 copies to send to all of you.

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i was just thumbing through my december 1997 issue of new age journal and
found an article entitled "singing songs of activism."  it focuses mainly
on dar but there is a small bit about the girls.  there are colored
pictures of both dar and the girls -- the one of ig is small; it's the
one of them sitting on the floor, amy cross-legged and barefoot.

one thing i found interesting is that dar and her management have asked
anyone doing boot trades to send a contribution to the mortal earth fund
which "was established by williams a few years ago as a sort of
clearinghouse for money collected from tape traders and fans . . ."

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yup, yup, yup. i totally agree with the previous interpretations of this,
one of the finer tunes in the ig catalog. i don't feel the need to re-state
what has already been said (and quite intelligently, i might add, *thanks!* by
the other fine folks on the list).

i do, however, want to bring up another aspect of the song. the first time
i heard it,
it sounded like simply a bunch of strung-together cliches. but the more i
listened
the more i appreciated the relevance of the song. yes, it is a bunch of
strung-together
cliches. but emily's superior song-writing ability shows up once again to turn
what would otherwise be a trite peace march song to be chanted by the
masses into
a poignant and engaging song about change and politcs and hope.

i believe that her use of cliches (one in nearly every line it seems --
everything from
"rose-colored glass" to "split decision" to "turn of the cheek") further
brings the
song to the people, making it tangible and digestible. while at the same time it
makes us reflect on our everyday society (represented by the "everyday" phrases
used by "everyman") and holds it up to scrutiny.

by using the language we use everyday, she shows us what our society is doing
and then shows us that we, the "everyman," can make that important change.

"let it be me. when the world is night, shine my life like a light."

(my $0.04)
cathy

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"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch"    -- amy ray

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one of my favorite lines of this song (and really of the best from all ig
songs) is: "we're trying to see beyond the fences in our own back yards"
isn't this so true of emily and amy?  struggling to make change that will not
directly affect them, other than the satisfaction that they get from knowing
they are helping "the masses" that they are in some way a part of?

tigger asked about this part: "i've seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in the
winds of change but the power of truth is the fuel for the flame"  well,
here's kind of an odd take on that one...  if the kingdoms are blowing like
ashes, somewhere there must have been a fire, right?  and the fuel for the
fire is truth (which is generally representative of everything true and right
and good and loving -- even in the bible i believe this is kind of how the
word truth is used)  so another possible twist on this is that the "kingdoms"
or power structures, which i think many would agree are not representative of
these values, can be crumbled and rebuilt using the fuel of this fire.
maybe??  guess i'm a bit of a radical... i have a hard time believing that the
existing power structure will ever make way for the kind of change we really
hope for.

i don't think anyone has talked about the last part:  "in the kind words you
speak/ in the turn of a cheek/when your visions stays clear/ in the face of
your fear"  i think this really speaks to the individual things that we can do
on a daily basis to create change in ourselves and other people.  spreading
kindness, forgiveness, and questioning our own attitudes about other people.
it's easy to become cynical and jaded as you see more and more evil, but
really isn't it just fear that makes us that way?

as far as the debate over whether we failed history or history failed us, i
have to say we have failed history by ignoring the real facts and failing to
record them and teach them as they really happened.
mark wrote:
<<this last line is easy history fails rose colored glass begins to age and
crack means looking at the world trough rose colored glasses or in this
case history as time goes on it gets harder to do the glasses break they
age and crack also pertians to history with as time goes on more info is
dug up>>
it reminds me of bury... in which buffy writes "now our history gets written
in a liar's scrawl"

but i think that the whole idea is that we're given this single lighbulb,
hanging from a thread, to keep us out of darkness.  and she later says "we'll
see turning out the light which is their only power"  so at any time "they"
(those in power) can flip the switch and we're in the dark, which is what
we've been allowing to happen for centuries.  so it's up to us not only to
find other light sources (truth) but to then become a source of light for
others when those in power decide to turn off the lights.

molly o+

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this is the one i want for my car:

vote ray/saliers in 2000
voices for a new millenium


that's all...
nic

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>the 4th listee i.g. cover tape - you know, a bunch of
>indigo girls lovers singing i.g. songs and then having them compiled on
>one cassette

shucks. i musta misunderstood! i thought we were making a tape of
songs we think the girls should cover (based on the discussion on the
list as of late) and sending it to them for inspiration.

but unfortunately, i was not so blessed with the ability to sing, or play
the guitar, so i am not able to participate in the ig listee cover tape.
boo hoo! :o(

thanks anyhoo,
cathy, wishin' and hopin' the fates blow her way and grant her the ability
to sing she so greatly desires!


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"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch"    -- amy ray

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>lilith vh-1 thing.  has anyone else noticed how amy looks different at
different times?  wait, that was a pathetic sentence.  lemme try again...
while watching the tv, i noticed what incredibly huge eyes she has, and
she looked really sweetly adorable.  but then i see her on stage and
sexual tension (to quote frank n. furter) just pours out that guitar.  you
know what i mean.  tigger knows, i'm sure.  she seems to be many different
people.  emily wishes she were a trinity?  i think amy's already achieved
that.  tell me i'm not just a crack rock... has anyone else noticed this?

guess what, you're not a crack rock, even at 3:37am.  i noticed a lot of the same thing at lilith this summer (my 1st ig concert).

the sexual tension thing:  yeah!  this inspired my first lesbian thought:  "umm..  ok, i'm not a lesbian, but that amy, she's hot!!!"  i think it was on sys, and also on cio, anyway, she was just cranking out those chords like ... <---cencored--->...

sweet, adorable:  but then, she has tender, passionate moments, like on hkf, or when she's harmonizing w/em. on one of her songs.  if her eyes are open at all, then they're so big & beautiful!

another side of her i noticed was shen she was walking to the bus after the riverside show (dec. 8), she looked so cool & casual, with this relaxed smile, like she was best friends with all of us.


-barb, who's supposed to be in the shower so she can get to church on time for once!

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hey there everyone,

somehow, hitting the tab key on aol means
send!  i never knew. :)

well here was what i  wanted to end with:

        saliers/ray 2000
                     voices for a new milenium

definately silly, but funny!

take care and peace!

-deb

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hey there to all in the land of indigo!

i have been watching this whole 'presidential/
bumper sticker' thingy evolve and here are my
thoughts on it.

1) althought amy is more vocal about her politics
    a lot of the time, i do believe she said that it
     would be more emily that would run for office,
     if it ever were to happen, and she likes to do the
     background work (lobying, grassroots organizing, etc.)
and
2) saliers/ray 2000  just flows better than ray/saliers 2000

i like the 'voices for a new milienium' phrase. very cool!

i think it would be really neat and funny to print up a bunch
of these stickers, for those of us who would buy them (and
it seems like there are a few), to slap on guitar cases and
such.  it is a funny little inside joke of the list, and of other
ig fans who would probably think it was a cool silly thing.
i don't think the girls would mind, it's all in good fun!

         saliers/ray 2000

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hey there to all in the land of indigo!

i have been watching this whole 'presidential/
bumper sticker' thingy evolve and here are my
thoughts on it.

1) althought amy is more vocal about her politics
    a lot of the time, i do believe she said that it
     would be more emily that would run for office,
     if it ever were to happen, and she likes to do the
     background work (lobying, grassroots organizing, etc.)
and
2) saliers/ray 2000  just flows better than ray/saliers 2000

i like the 'voices for a new milienium' phrase. very cool!

i think it would be really neat and funny to print up a bunch
of these stickers, for those of us who would buy them (and
it seems like there are a few), to slap on guitar cases and
such.  it is a funny little inside joke of the list, and of other
ig fans who would probably think it was a cool silly thing.
i don't think the girls would mind, it's all in good fun!

         saliers/ray 2000


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hi folks,
i'm not in minnesota (susie cheesemuffin) becasue i caught a very nasty
cold from a friend who caught it from her niece...ugh!  never be around
small sick children if you can help it.  anyway, besides lying around,
sipping theraflu and watching movies like roman holiday and waiting for
the ice storm to hit, i'm reading my email.  i agree libm is an activist
song...let me give you my short (hopefully) take on it:
1. when i got the tape, the la riots had just happened.  i took very
literally the line "a single lightbulb on a single thread for the black"
and thought they meant racism leaves many people of color without much in
the way of material goods.  it seemed to fit eerily well with the
aftermath of teh rodney king verdict.  sirens wail, history fails...yeah.
also, our  president at the time was george bush, who clearly "had no real
idea of who the masses are" and let's face it, didn't give a crap either.
who needs the masses when you can buy votes?  and look what happens when
you ignore "the masses."  riots.  deaths.  fires, looting, etc.

2. i just finished reading marge piercy's _city of darkness, city of
light_ which is a beautifully written fiction book about the french
revolution.  i really am having to think a lot about "the power of the
people."  kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change...so apt for the
french revolution...but the power of truth is the fan for the flames.
yup.  the people wanted power, adn they wanted to see where all of the
money was going and why they didn't have bread.  so they fanned the flames
of their revolutionary zeal with the truth of what happened in the king's
government.

that's it.  off to watch "an affair to remember" and try not to cough my
lungs out.  blech.  hope all of you are far, far better than i am.  ;-)

love (and a long-distance, non-germy kiss to susie b.),
suzi

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hey everyone..

luv the salier/ray in 2000 idea... i'll vote... maybe create an indigo
party instead of voting green!

anyhoo... i was at walmart and found ms. magazine, but am unsure which
issue has the girls in it...  the one they had on display had some ken
doll or something on the cover.  anyone have a date for the issue with ig
in it?  there were still some interesting articles, breast cancer,
feminism, etc., so it is a good purchase anyway. however, if someone
could post the issue or date it would help immensely, esp. since the new
issue should hit the stands/stores this week.
thanks, anne

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hello everybody
i am new to this list and here is my first question:
does anybody know if the indigo girls are planning to tour in europe??

thanks!


verena


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hello everybody
i am new to this list and here is my first question:
does anybody know if the indigo girls are planning to tour in europe??

thanks!

(oh, i forgot: please email me privately: driver.8@usa.net)

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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 14:27:09 est
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okay, here are some of my thoughts:

1) clear window decals don't show up too well and we need to offer the option
of real bumper stickers.  but they have to be the kind that are covered w/ the
vinyl or whatever it is that keeps them from getting wet and soggy after a few
months

2) saliers/ray 2000
    voices of a new millenium

has my vote!!!  but i also think that we could use the slogan "if the world is
night, shine their lives like a light" or let their lives shine or something!!
pretty timely, eh??

3) another possible slogan idea:  if anyone is more creative than i, i would
really appreciate  some help, but we should allude to the fact that we would
be looking at global change, not just change w/in our country.  or maybe
something like "change the world through peace" or something that includes
everyone everywhere

4)would it be inappropriate to sell these outside of concerts, if we didn't
make a profit, or donated profits to a good cause??  (i'm thinking mass
production here!! hee hee)

5) i like the idea about the tattoo, but i agree about getting permission.  in
fact we should probably get permission if we distribute these at all.  does
anyone know how to go about this??

i would do more but i am not artistically talented and i don't really have the
funds to get anything started.  if we get designs going (i think we need 2 or
3) and someone can get them printed, we could have people send sases and a few
bucks and mail them out.  i'd be more than happy to help at that end of
things, or to sell them at concerts if we decide to do so.
am i taking this whole thing too seriously???

molly o+

oh -- and we definitely need to send a bunch to e&a and crew

and sully for senate??? hee hee

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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 14:41:13 -0500
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hey all! i have two quick questions. if you could e-mail me privately if
you choose to respond, i would appreciate it. i have noticed that most ig
fans fit into one of two categories: the amy fans and the emily fans. of
course, we all know they're both great! but i was just wondering:

which ig can you most identify with?
which ig do you like the most?

for example, i mostly identify with emily cause her personality is somewhat
like mine. however, amy is the one i absolutely love. so if you guys and
gals would respond, i'd love to hear from you all. thank you in advance.
                                                        christy :)

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howabout:

emily and amy 2000
they've never slept together

hee hee hee
molly o+

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hey all!

just remembering a couple of little arguments going back a few months in
discussion.  y'all remember the list t-shirt ideas?  ok, well, the bumper
stickers follow the same set of rules.  we can't use any lyrics or pictures
created by the girls (or tattoo artists) if they are copyrighted and i know
that they all are.  i don't know about the tattoo because i doubt it is
copyrighted by amy but it is highly possible she created the design exactly as
she wanted it and the artist made it for her.
so, if we seriously want to do this, we must steer clear of the lyrics.
carrie

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just a quick hello to say i'm back on the list.  i've been gone since
august when work and travel made following the list too much for me.
i'm  looking forward to posting when i can, and seeing the ig at the
warfield in sf in january.

hugh barroll hugh404@ix.netcom.com

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just to update this a bit, dar's fund is now called the snowden
environmental trust.  i think it is a wonderful solution to the
roylaties for tape trading concern.  more info about it is available on
the dar web pages.

hugh barroll hugh404@ix.netcom.com

faye memolo wrote:
>
> one thing i found interesting is that dar and her management have asked
> anyone doing boot trades to send a contribution to the mortal earth fund which "was established by williams a few years ago as a sort of
> clearinghouse for money collected from tape traders and fans . . ."
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at 10:15 pm 1/2/98 -0500, indigo girls rule wrote:
>hey!  i'd vote for amy ray for  pres any day!!!!!  wait?!  is she even
>constitutionally old enough to run?  ;-)

        you have to be 35 years to qualify to run for president.  amy will
be 35 in april 2000, just in time to run for prez!!!

tony

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hkf's~

(this is a repost.  i have not gotten any feedback on the idea of offering
bootleg prizes for the ig trivial jeopardy winners.  stay tuned for game 2
soon!)

        well, after a somewhat lenghty game 1 of ig trivial jeopardy, the
winners are:

1st place - sarah wardrop with a perfect score of $21,000 points - congrats
sarah!
2nd place - sharon "only missed one" jennings ;) with $20,800 points!
3rd place - a three-way tie at $19,800 points:
                tigger, claudine lapsky, and delastraw!!!

        thanks to everyone who played - 43 folks! :)

        this was just a practice game to work out the kinks.  if you did not
score well, it may have been due to some poor questions by me such as, "who
is the multi-instrumentalist on the sots summer tour?" which cetainly
includes everyone in the band, although i was looking for josh segal.
        and the final jeopardy question, "is there ever anything else that
makes us take our different sides?" was unclear in what i was looking for.
many answered with the name of the song, "you and me of the 10,000 wars".
however, the majority of respondents got the answer i was looking for - "the
evil ego and the vice of pride".

        the next game won't be until early/mid january when the holiday
break ends.
i am proposing that at some point, contestants would each offer to dub *a
single* ig bootleg as prizes for the winners.

        i propose that:
                1st place should get to pick 5 boots from those available;
                2nd place should get 3 boots from those available; and,
                3rd place should get 1 boot from those available.

        not every contestant will have to make a tape though.  for instance,
in this round of 43 contestants only 11 boots would have to be made (5 for
first, 3 for second and 3 for a three-way tie for third).  therefore, only
about 25% of the contestants would actually have to make and send a boot.
        if a contestant has to make a bootleg, they are exempt from the boot
requirement for the next jeopardy game they play.  list newbies without
*any* boots will be granted a "free game" until they get a boot :)
        each contestant who offers a boot will also have to provide first
class postage delivery of the tape (including envelope) to the winners.
        since i make the questions, i will not be eligible for boots and
have no interest in the outcome.  i am doing this: 1) just to have fun on
the list, 2) to educate and focus on the ig's achievements, 3) to remind
folks of proper list etiquette, etc... 4) to give you go-heads an
opportunity to test your ig knowledge and win free bootlegs in the process!

        i would appreciate any comments or ideas on the practice round and
the boot offer suggestion.  if y'all don't want to do the boot offer thingy
then i'll keep offering the jeopardy games amyray :)
        suggestions for jeopardy questions are always welcome! :)

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> 3) another possible slogan idea:  if anyone is more creative than i,
i would
> really appreciate  some help, or maybe
> something like "change the world through peace" or something that
includes
> everyone everywhere

i dont know my friend,this is so very vague and idealistic....
> we would
> be looking at global change, not just change w/in our country.

are we?!
> 4)would it be inappropriate to sell these outside of concerts, if we
didn't
> make a profit, or donated profits to a good cause??  (i'm thinking
mass
> production here!! hee hee)

im thinking honour the earth here..
>
> 5) i like the idea about the tattoo, but i agree about getting
permission.  in
> fact we should probably get permission if we distribute these at
all.  does
> anyone know how to go about this??

what is it a tattoo of?
>
> i would do more but i am not artistically talented and i don't
really have the
> funds to get anything started.  if we get designs going (i think we
need 2 or
> 3) and someone can get them printed, we could have people send sases
and a few
> bucks and mail them out.  i'd be more than happy to help at that end
of
> things, or to sell them at concerts if we decide to do so.
> am i taking this whole thing too seriously???
>
> molly o+
>
> oh -- and we definitely need to send a bunch to e&a and crew
>
> and sully for senate??? hee hee
>
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the lord there's people out there like you...
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i remember chickenman very well.  i think it was the early 70's.  the chickenman was a "superhero" type dressed in a chicken costume.  i believe he screwed up everything he touched.
at the beginning and end of every show they would say
chickennnnmaaaannnn... he's everywhere he's everywhere.   i've often wondered if this show was only played in the lousiville area.

when i first heard the ig song this radio show always came to mind.

kim & rhea

do we have to live inside its walls
to identify the cage?
                                                ferron

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> hey, does anybody remember this old radio show that was on public radio?
> they used to say, "chicken man! (he's everywhere!  he's everywhere!)".  i
> don't recall the premise, but it's the same guy (i think) who used to do
> "the tooth fairy".
>
> just thinking that if chicken man is everywhere then he'd be like god..then
> the chickeman ~ god thing'd make sense...rofl
>
> i'll go away now :))
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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 16:41:18 est
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hi folks, sorry to send this here, but i don't know dar's list address:

she played at the plaza theater in carrolton, tx, last night (1/3/98) and here
is the setlist:

what do you hear in these sounds
if i wrote you
iowa
are you out there
pointless yet poignant crisis of co-ed
road buddy
end of the summer
as cool as i am
wilder than her (by fred eagle smith)
conversation with a ghost (by and with ellis paul)
christians and the pagans
february
when i was a boy

encore:
the ocean
babysitter song

that's it!  it was a fun performance with lots of banter between songs  :)
sorry if i mis-labeled the songs, i don't know dar's music very well :)
rachel :)

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i qoute missmoll here (without permission)
" but we should allude to the fact that we
would
be looking at global change, not just change w/in our country.  or maybe
something like "change the world through peace" or something that
includes
everyone everywhere"..<------
now how would a listee in australia or japan or chiapas for that
matter be able to answer this?....
"who
> is the multi-instrumentalist on the sots summer tour?"
or do this?..
>  list newbies without
> *any* boots will be granted a "free game" until they get a boot :)
maybe its time that we are a little less geographically biased and the
jeopardy game is a good start;not eveyone lives in houston,or in the
country.

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amy once said in an interview that 'fugitive' is meant to be addressed
to a woman like dgtgag is (or maybe im grossly misqouting or taking
out of context)....but
i keep listening to 'fugitive' over and over and i cant hear it or any
reference to a woman..help anyone?


==
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hey humans!
ok, favour time...anyone who has suzanne vega cds..can ya pull em out
and check if the darling sara lee made an appearance on one of the songs
on one of the cds?*lol* ambiguous or what?
  anyhow, someone's prrty sure she did and just can't remember...just
something to add to sara's discography and the 'bass slut' shirts!

   much love in the new year to all you lurkers and posters! yer keepin'
me alive (and at the computer screen...)
  amanda rae
seeing dar in 13 days!!

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this may not be what you're looking for, but i always thought "fugitive"
was about amy herself. then i read an article saying that it was about
another woman (i got the impression it was someone she was dating). does
this help? i'd love to hear your response.
                                                        christy :)

at 02:04 pm 1/4/98 -0800, you wrote:
>amy once said in an interview that 'fugitive' is meant to be addressed
>to a woman like dgtgag is (or maybe im grossly misqouting or taking
>out of context)....but
>i keep listening to 'fugitive' over and over and i cant hear it or any
>reference to a woman..help anyone?
>
>
>==
>i thank the lord there's people out there like you i thank
>the lord there's people out there like you...
>leaving aint fair and parting aint just,but hey..
>%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
>and my words are paper tigers
>no match for the predators of pain inside her---emily saliers
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whats dgtgag?
but anyway, look at the pronoun: "she lives in my soul drinks of my wine"

on sun, 4 jan 1998, shufa nasser wrote:
> amy once said in an interview that 'fugitive' is meant to be addressed
> to a woman like dgtgag is (or maybe im grossly misqouting or taking
> out of context)....but
> i keep listening to 'fugitive' over and over and i cant hear it or any
> reference to a woman..help anyone?
>
>
> ==
> i thank the lord there's people out there like you i thank
> the lord there's people out there like you...
> leaving aint fair and parting aint just,but hey..
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> and my words are paper tigers
> no match for the predators of pain inside her---emily saliers
> %%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%
> _________________________________________________________
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on sun, 4 jan 1998, juliet wrote:

> whats dgtgag?
dont give that girl a gun

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yep, i also use to think that amy was talking about herself, and i still
can see that level of the song now, even if i know that it is also about
someone else. when she says : "i am harboring a fugitive... and i'd give
my last breath to keep us alive" i can see it as her talking about
another part of herself, a side of her personality, that she doesnt want
to die. despite what the "outside world" can change in her, she will
always fight for the fugitive in her to stay alive.
but i also adore to interpret it as her talking about someone else.
that song is absolute. i'd love to hear it in concert.

july ;)

on sun, 4 jan 1998, christy lynch wrote:
> this may not be what you're looking for, but i always thought "fugitive"
> was about amy herself. then i read an article saying that it was about
> another woman (i got the impression it was someone she was dating). does
> this help? i'd love to hear your response.
>

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sorry to bother you all again, but i can not seem to figure out what
"pushing the needle too far" is about. i read what amy wrote about
it...being a song about how we sometimes numb ourselves to things and
alienation. i'm still having trouble understanding it though. can anyone
help? i was never great with interpretation! thank you.

                                                                christy :)

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at 01:45 pm 1/4/98 -0800, shufa nasser wrote:
>now how would a listee in australia or japan or chiapas for that
>matter be able to answer this?....
> "who is the multi-instrumentalist on the sots summer tour?"

>or do this?..

>>  list newbies without *any* boots will be granted a "free game" until
they get a boot :)

>maybe its time that we are a little less geographically biased and the
>jeopardy game is a good start;  not eveyone lives in houston, or in the
>country.


        first, i admit that the jeopardy game itself is geographically
biased towards the united states (being an american game show).  however,
the ig's *are* an american band and probably over 95% of this list lives in
the united states.

        question #1 could be answered directly from the ig list faq:

        "amy and emily have just begun the first leg of the "shaming of the
sun" support tour.  this leg of the tour will last until mid-july and
will see amy, emily and band playing many outdoor venues in the us.
the band for this tour consists of jerry marotta, sara lee and
multi-instrumentalist josh segal, of austin band the borrowers."

        the question could also be answered from listening to ig bootlegs,
which are readily available on the list!


tony (that ethnocentric poultry dude ;)

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at 02:04 pm 1/4/98 -0800, shufa nasser wrote:
>amy once said in an interview that 'fugitive' is meant to be addressed
>to a woman like dgtgag is (or maybe im grossly misqouting or taking
>out of context)....but
>i keep listening to 'fugitive' over and over and i cant hear it or any
>reference to a woman..help anyone?


geez, i'm feelin' old, as having been on this list a long time :o  while the
answer to this question borders on the "invasion of privacy" issue, it has
been discussed frequently on the list in the past.  further, amy recently
said in the curve magazine interview that her ex is cooper of the band viva
la diva.
        so over some (as yet unheard) objections, i will state that it has
long been rumored that *fugitive* was written to/about cooper seay and it
deals with how difficult is was for both of them to be rock stars and to
keep their personal lives personal...

        "they're coming for us with cameras or guns, i don't know which, but
we've got to run.  and you say this is not what i bargained for.  hide
yourself for me..."

        btw don't give that girl a gun (dgtgag) was definitely written about
amy's split with cooper (according to amy), as well as, cut it out and
chiapas bound.

doolittle

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i'm curious to hear everyone's take on ptntf as well.
i started to go through it and write out an interpretion, but i was
getting _myself_ confused. so i thought i'd spare me (us!) the
incoherent rambles!

i think that song only _truly_ makes sense to me whilst i listen to it.
something about the emotion of the song that i seem to connect with,
but can't really put into words.

any takers??
cathy, tripping in my yellow feet

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sorry for the nigc, but are there any list people going to see dar at variety
in atlanta on wednesday?   if so, would you like to meet up? i understand it's
general admission and there's always safety in numbers =)

to make this sigc:  amy did a few songs with michelle on new year's eve at
eddie's attic.  she did powderfinger, teen lament (playing the drums and
cymbals with michael) and of course, wild horses.  it was a **great** show!
to see pictures from the event, i put a few up on my web page:
http://members.aol.com/memememi/nye.html

=)
lisa

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in a message dated 98-01-03 22:24:08 est, ndygotiggr@aol.com writes:

<< i read in an article amy said once that someone thought of making decals of
her tattoo.  what if we did that???????
  >>

cool! i like it!
dana

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correct me if i'm just being a silly canadian, but with regard to legal
issues around trading -- isn't it true that at this point, the us
government is only considering a law about this?  and isn't it also true
that the few details we have about the law in its current format seem to
indicate that in order to be in violation of the law one has to benefit
financially from trading (which nobody here does if they're trading
properly -- even if you are receiving a blank and postage, that only
replaces your costs -- you haven't come out ahead)?  and, finally, if emily
and amy have said publicly that they don't mind the trading their fans do
(and i seem to recall from somewhere they have) as long as nobody benefits
from trading (see previous point), then why would they or their management
be at all interested in pressing charges, or whatever you call it in the
states?

maybe these are questions that have obvious answers -- i'd love to hear
them. in the meantime, if people are really worried about this, i'll
volunteer to host the tape lists and related pages up here in canada on my
isp's server. elizabeth?  what do you think?

cheers,

robin

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<< emily wishes she were a trinity?  i think amy's already achieved
that.  tell me i'm not just a crack rock... has anyone else noticed this? >>

i think this is totally accurate and so well put. amy looks very different
from time to time. goddess knows that the first time i met her face to face in
an after show meet and greet (9/8/97) i almost fell over because i knew she
was cute at times, and sexy at others, but i was not prepared for how
beautiful she was in person. those eyes, those eyes...

<<amy said once that someone thought of making decals of
her tattoo.  what if we did that???????

i remember reading that. i think the symbol was taken from other already
existing symbols. and i really don't see why she would mind if we copied it.
it is all about peace and love and other warm fuzzies that i think she's into
promoting. and it's not like copying her lyrics or anything. it would be so
awesome to put in on a 'clear thingy' window cling on my car. only other truly
dedicated ig fans would know what it is, yet everyone who saw it could grasp
the essence of it's message of goodwill. it's like a waving hand. i'm totally
into this. tell me where to place my order. now all we have to do is find the
best picture of it to get to the transfer artist who volunteered. any
suggestions of the best photo?? maybe the same person who is organizing the
bumper stickers??

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well, she says that she'll hide herself "for you", and in the beginning she
says, "i'm harboring a fugitive, a defector of a kind, and she lives in my
soul, and drinks of my wine." so we know she's talking about a woman by the
pronoun "she". and i think the whole song is about her reservations on coming
out. hope that helps!
dana

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in a message dated 98-01-04 17:31:12 est, js_carri@alcor.concordia.ca writes:

<< that song is absolute. i'd love to hear it in concert. >>


yeah, i love it too. i think i mentioned this earlier, but i'm choreographing
a dance to this song b/c i love it sooooooo much! i just had my first
rehearsal yesterday! i'm so excited! :) so, the point of this post (it's
coming, i promise!) is to tell you guys to keep talking about fugitive! it
helps my dance a lot! :) thanks!
dana

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so...are we going to do this? i think we need to have a vote on what slogan we
want or if we want amy's tattoo. then i think we need to chose people to
design it....question...do we want people from this list to draw it? 'cause i
could try, i mean, i'd be willing to. anyway, i think we'll have to come up
with a few drawings and pick from those. beacuse i think it's a really cool
idea and we should do it! :)
dana

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>and i think the whole song is about her reservations on coming out.

oooooooo! good thinkin'!! although it's not the traditional
interpretation of fugitive, i too had that thought when i
first heard it.

it's so wonderful to have this great and glorious music to
listen to, with so many powerful messages and intricate
levels of meaning. i can't thank the girls enough for
blessing my life with their music.

just think, what if there was only mmmmmbop!
the horror! the horror!!
catherooooooo :o)

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"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch"    -- amy ray

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at 06:25 pm 1/4/98 est, someone wrote:
> goddess knows that the first time i met her face to face in
>>an after show meet and greet (9/8/97) i almost fell over because i knew she
>>was cute at times, and sexy at others, but i was not prepared for how
>>beautiful she was in person. those eyes, those eyes...
you're telling me.  the is/was the most beautiful person i've ever met.  her
eyes are so beautiful.  pictures can't recreate them.


<<amy said once that someone thought of making decals of
>her tattoo.  what if we did that???????
>
>i remember reading that. i think the symbol was taken from other already
>existing symbols. and i really don't see why she would mind if we copied it.

i can understand if she didn't want someone to recreate her tatoo.  i mena
think about it. if i were in her case and made up the design that i was
proud of, i might get a little upset if i saaw it all over the place every
concert i went to play.  i don't know.  she may, or may not like it.  i
think before we come up with the idea, we should at least get her
permission.  maybe she'll even hold out her arm for someone to take a
picture, or maybe design something else for the decals.  i don't know.  no
flames please, i'm just trying to give the other side.
                                                  -kate

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> i'm choreographing
>a dance to this song b/c i love it sooooooo much!

are you going to videotape the performance??
i, for one, would love to see your dance interpretation.

cathy

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"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch"    -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart"    -- phish
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i'd be willing to try and come up with a design.  maybe some kind of a
guitar thing.  how about something like the guitar with a peace symbol in
the hole thing that amy sometimes draws when she signs stuff.  any other
suggestions?
                                                  -kate

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yeah! videotape it
and i would copy it from cathy...

july, who danced in the sand, aching with freedom

on sun, 4 jan 1998, cathy wrote:

> > i'm choreographing
> >a dance to this song b/c i love it sooooooo much!
>
> are you going to videotape the performance??
> i, for one, would love to see your dance interpretation.
>
> cathy
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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>
> "some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch"    -- amy ray
>
> "you laugh and laughing fall apart"    -- phish
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yeah, well i'm planning to tape a rehearsal of it, b/c the tape of the recital
is sometimes crappy and far away. but i'll probably get my parents to tape the
performance too, so i'll see what i can do! it's not until may 9th though, so
sit tight! :)
dana

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in a message dated 98-01-04 17:49:36 est, cml@mindspring.com writes:

<<  i can not seem to figure out what
"pushing the needle too far" is about >>

whoa, this may be the first ig song that really hit home with me, being a big
professional working mom, alienated from my entire family.  it's about how
society pushes us to make other things more important than the essential
elements of life - family, friends, love, and consequently, we end up a bunch
of reprobates who can't deal with life (a boy that od'd, a girl with a gun, a
world on its knees and a band on the run).  she tells a bunch of little
vignettes about people who couldn't cope any more and about what they did,
such as

there was a man
he had a family of five
he just blew out the windows and doors
he said i couldn't , i just couldn't survive

the queen that closed the door (when of course a queen should be accessible to
her subjects), the family that lied - gee i wish i had all the lyrics here so
this was actually coherent!

hope that helps - to me, it's just a sad commentary on how we've lost our
focus as a society - we're pushing the needle too far by trying to do so much
and achieve so much that we don't even have time for our families any more
(don't know our sisters, don't need our brother).  i listen to that song
whenever i need to get it all lined up again.  maybe somebody could put the
lyrics up for us....

bonnie

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okay here is the lowdown on bumper stickers.....
  1.  i am willing to design whatever we agree on, i have the software to
do something very professional looking.
  2.  clear clingy things are cool, but fairly expensive...much more than
stickers, if you are concerned about putting a sticker on your car, you can
always tape it in the window.
  3.  i am looking into legal issues, we can't use ig or lyrics, i'm not
sure about their last names, i would think this would be okay, but like i
said i'm looking into it.  if anyone has any advice on this issue, please
contact me.
  4.  whatever we come up with, it needs to be simple, two or three colors,
this will keep costs down.  adding handdrawn artwork drives up the cost.
  5. i personally would not feel right about making a sticker of amy's
tattoo, i think it would be an invasion of her privacy, to a certain
extent, i know how i feel about my tattoo's, they are very personal to me
and i wouldn't want anyone copying them.
  6.  if we do end up doing this, listees should either cover the costs and
give them away, or if people buy them, every penny over cost needs to go to
honor or another charity.
  7.  my two cents on the slogan....ray/saliers 2000...with one short
saying, i came up with one circular design that says, a new voice and a
long one that says going global.  like i said lets keep it simple.

sorry i took up so much space!
kc1
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              this world was meant for me.  don't bury me. carry me.

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~ e. sailers

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great interpretation bonnie!! that really helps.

and hey, i just noticed the line "a girl with a gun"
eeeery coincidence with "don't give that girl a gun"??
maybe, maybe not ...
hmmmmmmmmm

and here are the requested lyrics:
(can we say "major work avoidance?")

i woke up this morning, grey dawn, with a prayer on my breath
i lost something precious, god'll save me from losing myself
i think i know what's wrong
i think i know what's wrong

now i met the queen and i understand why she closed the door
i'm not making excuses but i've been there a few times
i was knocking on her door
i think i know what's wrong
i think i know what's wrong

there's a man, he lived in a house, had a family of five
he blew up the windows and the doors
he just couldn't survivie

we've all been removed in one way or another
we don't know our families, we don't need our brothers
pushing the needle too far
pushing the needle too far

if you wake up in the morning, grey dawn, with a prayer on your breath
maybe you lost something precious, god'll save you from losing yourself
i think i know what's wrong
i think i know what's wrong

the queen who closed the door, the family that lied
the people who turn, the cat that has died
a boy that ods, a girl with a gun
the world on its knees and a band on the run

(you'd help me more by not giving in
you help me more, try not to give in)

i think i know what's wrong
pushing the needle too far


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hi, all...been lurking for quite awhile, but had to jump in on the
bumpersticker idea.
i love the "voices for a new millenium" line..and how about the list url in
little letters at the bottom?
i'd love to see this idea fly. and would be glad to offer any assistance in
the project!
i'm in for a few dozen anyway!!
thats by 2 cents!!
we now return you to your regulary schedules lurking!
betz

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my vote:
ray/saliers 2000 voices for a new millenium

its simple, and direct. no tattoo.
thanks klc.

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i don't know if this has been posted or not, but there is a pretty cool
interview w/amy in the dec. 10 issue of outlines.

it's available online at this address:

http://www.suba.com/~outlines/current/outlines/indigo.html

ciao,

michele

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i think i agree with kate. tattoos can be a very personal expression for
someone and amy could be offended and maybe feel somewhat violated if
"her" tattoo was "everywhere". would it be possible to get her
permission? syd


>i can understand if she didn't want someone to recreate her tatoo.  i >mena
>think about it. if i were in her case and made up the design that i was
>proud of, i might get a little upset if i saaw it all over the place

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i have an idea about what to put on the bumper sticker.  i am trying to keep
it short and all and we can all vote on all the ideas, we should get this one
rolling right or the presidential election will be here and gone before we get
anything done.  here goes:
amy/emily 2000
one world, two voices

don't get upset if it isn't perfect it is a shot in the dark.  i will
definitely buy one anyway!!!!!

jillian :-)

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bumper stickers.....why stop there?

if i were amy and emily i would be mighty pissed off with someone making
such a political statement on my behalf, and i certainly wouldn't think it
was funny if i saw my name plastered all over cars across america......

bumper stickers is merchandising....and gee, correct me if i am wrong, but
ig don't seem real big on that. maybe some new t-shirts for a tour, a video
now and then....end of story. somehow i think ig enjoy the small following
that they have it enables them to both still enjoy life....unlike some pop
stars who have had to take their own life due to the pressures of it
all...on the other hand there is the princess diana story....think about it.

this email is not directed at anyone, purely my opinion on the topic.
joadster

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>date:    sun, 4 jan 1998 18:14:58 -0600
>from:    kc1 <casey@rea-alp.com>
>subject: bumper stickers
>
> 7.  my two cents on the slogan....ray/saliers 2000...with one short
>saying, i came up with one circular design that says, a new voice and a
>long one that says going global.  like i said lets keep it simple.
>

thanks for volunteering your expertise!  as someone said earlier, i think
"saliers/ray 2000" flows.  then as a slogan, how about "global voices"

simple, i like simple!
just my thoughts...
stacy.  :)

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there i was reading posts about the bumper stickers so i thought i would look
up bumper stickers on line to sort of get an idea as to what some places
charge...

here's what i found

500 cost .34 each  + .16 each for a 2nd color  total cost =250 not including
shipping

1000 cost .24 each plaus .10 total cost 340 not including shipping...

i'm going to call around here and see what the going rate is...maybe a few of
you could do the same so we can get an idea and maybe find a decent deal...

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some people mentioned buttons...

seems the going rate for those give or take is anywhere from .32 to .45
depending on quantity

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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 21:41:35 -0500
reply-to:     christy lynch <cml@mindspring.com>
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subject:      speaking of tattoos...
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ok, this may seem a little strange, but i recorded the girls on vh-1's hard
rock live special a few months. i watched it at least 100 times...at one
point, they came back from a commercial and interviewed only amy talking
about where she likes to write at. if you look closely, you will notice
something where her shirt parts that sort of resembles a tattoo on her
chest. am i seeing things? is this too personal? if so, i'll shut-up.
anyway, if anyone thinks i'm not crazy, please e-mail me with some info.
the whole tattoo/bumper sticker thing brought all this up...sorry this is
so long. take care.

                                                                christy :)

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i've listed what seem to be the 3 most popular slogans.  if everyone would
please send me a *private* email with their vote, i'll take count and annouce
the winning slogan, then we can find out who wants to design it.  the choices
are:

1) saliers/ray 2000
voices for a new millennium

2) saliers/ray 2000
global voices

3) saliers/ray 2000
going global

peace, harmony, and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
   ~president, grlchasr26 fan club
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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 21:59:02 -0500
reply-to:     christy lynch <cml@mindspring.com>
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ok, so i am crazy. however, now i am looking for the flute part for "crazy
game". does anyone know anything about whether it's even published or if
all the songbooks are guitar? thanks for your help.

                                                        christy :)

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> and hey, i just noticed the line "a girl with a gun"
>  eeeery coincidence with "don't give that girl a gun"??

yes, and even more of a coincidence that there is a lyric
"i've got my gun!" in viva la diva's (cooper's former band)
song "amsterdam"...gee, now *i'm* starting to feel old!  i
could swear we'd had the same conversation/thread on the
list before about the "gun" references. ;)  okay, back to the
studying...

peace, love, and rainbows,
ponygrrrl

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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 22:40:38 -0500
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subject:      chiapas bound

does anyone have the lyrics to this song that they would be willing to post
or email me? i've never heard it. when i interviewed amy for addicted to
noise, i asked her about it and if it would be on the next album. she laughed
a funny little laugh and said "i'll probably never record that one." i asked
her why and she never really answered the question.

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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 22:49:16 -0500
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this was posted on the ig's newsgroup, so i'm forwarding it here for those
who may not have usenet access (or who don't bother wading through the
spam). apologies if somebody's already beat me to this! (i'm on digest..)
-anne

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hello everyone!  i'm glad to see so many good responses about our interview
with amy ray.  it was definitely a blast to do.  anyways, just wanted to let
folks know that if you're having trouble getting the magazine locally, you can
order it from us directly.  it's $3.95 + $2 shipping & handling.  allow 4-6
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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 23:21:12 -0500
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>>amy/emily 2000
>>one world, two voices

yes, yes, i love it.  anyone else?  this one has my vote.
                                                  -kate

                                                   grnpeace@fullnet.com

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"majoring in religion, listening to t.v. evangelists interpret the
scriptures and dictate my offerings- i found my god in myself,
around myself- in every moment and piece of matter.
everything is animate."   a. ray

"don't critisize what you can't understand."  b.dylan
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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 23:21:10 -0500
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at 07:52 pm 1/4/98 -0500, you wrote:
>my vote:
>ray/saliers 2000 the truth is out there
for all you x-philes out there
                                                  -kate

                                                   grnpeace@fullnet.com

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"majoring in religion, listening to t.v. evangelists interpret the
scriptures and dictate my offerings- i found my god in myself,
around myself- in every moment and piece of matter.
everything is animate."   a. ray

"don't critisize what you can't understand."  b.dylan
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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 23:57:16 -0500
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subject:      re: nigc:  dar williams setlist
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>hi folks, sorry to send this here, but i don't know dar's list address:

dar-list@world.std.com; the subscribe addy is majordomo@world.std.com.
kirsten

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at 2:52 pm -0500 1/4/98, iu doremi wrote:
>we can't use any lyrics or pictures
>created by the girls (or tattoo artists) if they are copyrighted and i know
>that they all are.

hmm? the list t-shirts that were created in summer '96 used lyrics (with a
disclaimer that copyrights remained with amy & emily.)
kirsten

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date:         sun, 4 jan 1998 21:42:42 -0800
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all this talk about bumper stickers, and i don't even have t-shirt! are
there any left, and if so, where can i get mine???
peace,
cindy

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 00:57:22 -0500
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hey everybody,
i was wondering if anybody had a video of the great woods ig show that was
on ppv, that they might be willing to copy for me. someone told me that it
was really good. i have some video tapes, but i don't have two vcr's that
i could make copies of them with, but i have lot's of boots, so i'd be
willing to either trade some boots or i could send someone a blank video
tape and a sase. if anyone is interested, my e-mail is:

cch211@is8.nyu.edu (address all lowercase)

thanks a lot and take care,
chloe

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 01:15:00 est
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in a message dated 98-01-04 17:11:22 est, dt798@freenet.carleton.ca writes:

<<  ok, favour time...anyone who has suzanne vega cds..can ya pull em out
and check if the darling sara lee made an appearance on one of the songs
on one of the cds?*lol* ambiguous or what? >>

hiya- i checked her last 4 albums (9 objects...99.9f*...days of open hand...
and solitude standing) and none have sara lee credited. however, jerry played
on the last two & jane scarpantoni played on the last one as well.

i also didn't realize that shawn colvin was all over "days of open hand"!!)

btw- saw titanic today- *sigh* really fantastic movie. how much do i love kate
winslet?!?
peace,
rick
*if i had a choice i'd take the voice i got, cuz it was hard to find
you know i've come too far to wind up right back where i started*
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subject:      up for grabs and desired boots!

happy 1998!

well, i was home in mn for the holidays and i picked up a couple of the ig
screensavers with the 'touch me fall' video blip.  i would love to see these
go to a good home and make someone's computer screen a little happier this
year.  if you would like this i would love to trade for it.  a new boot of
clear quality would be great (one of the 97 shows would be preferrred :-)  i
will respond to the first person i hear from and the second one will go to the
first digest listee i hear from -- be honest and indicate if you receive the
digest form of the list -- i do, so be patient and i will notify you about the
trade asap.

i am hoping some of you can help me out!  i have a significant boot collection
including various artists and i am looking for boots of the ig shows i
attended in 1997.   if you are willing to trade please let me know -- i'm sure
we can work something out :-)  i know these boots exist -- some were even
offered through trees but my life was crazy then . . . anyway i am want the
following:

champoeg state park (portland , or)  both nights  july of 97
wolf mountain (slc, utah)  july 16, 1997
red rocks  july 17 and july 18

if you can help me get my hands on these it would be much appreciated!

thanks so much and have a great week!

cami

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hidey ho...

someone had mentioned wishing she had seen "fugitive" live in concert...

when they came to toledo for swamp ophelia, they opened with it, and it was
great. i haven't heard them do it since, but i'd love to.

what a great song - one i can actually play on the guitar since it has, like,
two chords in it. too bad it's too damn low for me to sing the melody - i
guess i'm more of an emily voice-wise :(

oh well... :)

one more thing - along the lines of ptntf - a teacher at my old hs committed
suicide and one of my sister's teachers (a semi-avid ig fan) mentioned the
song in reference to his death. of course, the only one who got the whole gist
was my sister (being an avid ig fan herself). i am not that familiar with the
lyrics (good song though) but i wouldn't have linked it with a suicide...any
thoughts?

kasey

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here's the article in december's issue of outlines.  posted without
permission and all typos are mine...

singer amy ray:
an indigo girl
by gregg shapiro

in the midst of a two-day concert tour in chicago, amy ray, of the indigo
girls, took some time to sit and talk with me about her daring and
innovative independent record label daemon records.

gregg shapiro: daemon records' roster is one of the most eclectic artist
rosters around. what are the qualities that you look for in a potential
signee to daemon?

amy ray: well, songwriting is first, for me. the second thing is
self-motivation, because i think that part of our biggest problem in the
past has been whether the bands have been willing to tour, how involved
they'll be in their own careers. i'm basically looking for people who are so
passionate that they're willing to be on an indie label and do a lot of work
themselves, tour a lot, pay a lot of dues, because that's really the only
way we can sell records. i tend to like thinks that are a little off-kilter,
whatever category it's in. i tend not to like stuff that's real straight.
although we do have some things that are kind of straight. the niche thing
is ... we have so many different kinds of music, that's probably what's hurt
us (in) trying to get somewhere, because no one knows exactly what we are,
but we're still going to do it that way.

gs: have you made a concerted effort to seek out openly gay and lesbian
performers?

ar: i just work with whoever ... songwriting really is the first criteria, i
don't even think about their sexuality, actually. i think about that more in
terms of who is working for me. i tend to want people working for me that
are more ... not necessarily gay, although we do have gay employees, but
that are sympathetic to those issues. i don't sign artists that aren't
sympathetic to them either. for my employees (at the label), two of them are
gay and one is straight. as far as our artists go, i won't work with anybody
who has got homophobia running through them at all. there really has to be
an openness.

gs: even before i made the connection between you and the label, i came
across the cd by holly beth vincent's band the oblivious. i always loved
holly beth vincent's work with holly & the italians, and i was wondering if
there was a new disc forthcoming from holly?

ar: no. we did that record together ... i had heard her music, and i was a
fan, and then i met her in l.a., and i basically said, "i want to do a
record with you, a kind of cool, indie thing," and she was into it. we did
it, and then the only problem i had was that she didn't really want to tour
as much as i needed her to. she toured with concrete blonde for a while, but
it was hard for her to do her own rock club tour and sleeping on floors and
not making any money ...

gs: having already done that earlier in her career ...

ar: yeah. i think it was hard for her to adjust to it. so, that was kind of
a drag, because i didn't feel like i could push the record as much ... i
think we did the best we could. i mean, i thought that record was really,
really great and i wanted it to get more out there ... so my only issue with
her was, "i want your record to do well, and whatever i can do... ." but,
i'm a small label, and i think maybe she ... a lot of artists think i'm
bigger than i am. i have to do a lot warning, (saying things like) "you
don't really want to be on daemon (laughs). not if you don't want to do all
this stuff first." i still think holly's an incredible songwriter.

gs: how does it feel when a daemon-identified artist, such as michelle
malone or james hall, leaves the label to sign with a major?

ar: when i started daemon, it was to be a stepping stone. i was trying to
get artists specifically signed to bigger deals that could do more for their
careers. not necessarily major labels, but companies that were bigger than i
(daemon) was, that had more of a profile. now, i'm trying to hold on to some
artists. i understand if they have to move on, but now i'm interested in
building a catalog and working with younger bands that might want to do a
couple of records, so that i can build up a roster of really cool albums,
just because i'm a big fan of music. but, when someone makes it to the next
level, and they want to, if that's their ambition, i push for it. i have a
band called lift on my label, and they really want a major label deal. ... i
try, i do what i can to get the a&r people out to their shows. i don't have
any ego problem with competition between labels. in fact, i have an artist
named danielle howle (on daemon) who is on a lot of different labels at one
time. to me, it's great. the more, the merrier.

gs: have any daemon artists gone to a major label, had it go awry, and then
come back to you and said, "please take me back?"

ar: (laughs) well, actually, it's interesting because michelle's (malone)
been back and forth. she put out a record called new experience on her own,
and i knew her then, and helped out a little, as a friend. then she went to
arista, and then moved back to the indie world and did a record for daemon,
and then in the midst of the velvel (michelle's current label) thing
happening, we licensed some of her other stuff, and now sell it through mail
order. kristen hall is another one. [formerly on windham hill's high street
label], now she's got a great publishing deal and she's writing some great
songs. she also wants to create some studio projects and put them out
through our mail order.

gs: what are the prospects for daemon to hook up with a major label, for
example the way that scratchie records has connected with mercury, for
distribution purposes?

ar: i think it's ok when that happens. koch distributes daemon right now,
and i'm more interested in becoming even more independent, distributing
myself. ... i probably could have gotten a major label to help me out in
that way before, and i just haven't wanted to do it. i'm already on a major
label, and i don't have an issue with that really, i mean i have some
issues, but not in the realm of what's morally right. i think capitalism is
capitalism (laughs), so it doesn't matter if you put your own records out on
your own label, you're still doing it, and you're doing it commercially,
it's just a matter of control. i want to evolve into being self-contained. i
would really love to be able to distribute myself and do it successfully. up
to this point, i just didn't feel like i had the knowledge or the resources
to do that. in the future, i might.

gs: i would imagine that one advantage of having your own record label is
that while planning an indigo girls tour, you have the chance to expose a
band or a solo performer on daemon records, as an opening act.

ar: it's a part of the whole thing. emily's (saliers of the indigo girls)
contribution is that we agreed that when the daemon bands come out we're
going to take them on the road for a couple of weeks. it helps them, but i
think it can also hurt them. unless they're willing to follow-through, and
go do their own shows, it's limiting to just play in front of our audience.
our audience is very diverse, but they have to go out, and make sure they
hoe their own row. i'll work with some bands that are more ... punk-some of
our fans will like them and some of the won't. if daemon is so indigo girls
identified, it could hurt a band. so, i try to walk the line. i'd really
love (for daemon) to be like kill rock stars. not necessarily an alternative
(music) label, but a label that's recognized as being a quality label. ... i
have to overcome a niche. people think i'm going to be a folk label, and i'm
not. i mean, i like folk, but i like to do everything.

gs: were there any daemon records artists at lilith fair, will there be at
future liliths?

ar: i haven't asked sarah (mclachlan) to do that. there were some friends of
ours, who aren't on daemon, the billy tipton memorial saxophone quartet, who
are great ... we played with them, and we wanted them to sit in with us at a
show in vancouver. we called and asked if they could be put on a second
stage show, so we could give them a good reason to come up (to vancouver)
besides playing with us. i might (ask her about daemon artists), since we're
going to go out on part of the next (lilith fair) tour.

gs: can you describe the process of soliciting work by performers for a
benefit disc, such as the honor 1: a benefit for the honor the earth
campaign cd?

ar: (laughs) yeah. i had a lot of help on that from my publicist, lisa
markowitz, who is really totally behind the indie label scene, and is
probably more involved with that than she is with the major label scene. we
sat down and brain-stormed, and came up with a list of a couple hundred
people. i wrote a letter and sent it out to everybody and followed up some
of them with phone calls and some of them i just saw in person. it was good
... i got a lot of response for that cd. the only problem i had was that i
can't seem to overcome the barrier of color. i really went to the black
community heavily and asked a lot of people to be involved and no one did.
it was weird, i was hanging out in atlanta after the disc came out, and this
guy from this atlanta-based production company came up to me and said that
he was really into the disc and why didn't i ask him (to be involved) and i
was like, i wrote so many letters to people in the community, and if i had
only known. ... we have such different management systems and different
promoters and agents. [honor the earth is a] grassroots environmental
indigenous campaign and we raise money, political support and public
awareness for these different indigenous groups. [we] give out grants, to
all the grassroots organizations working in small communities around the
americas, including the pacific islands, central and south america and
mexico and canada. we've always been environmentalists and we met some
indian activists, and that sector ... is where all the big public policy
decisions were being made at the time, about resources and environmental
protection laws and what companies can and can't get away with. it's really
happening in the indian community more than in a lot of other places. and in
communities of color, specifically with lower socio-economic levels. we do
some coalition building, too.


that's it!!

karen

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 07:40:16 -0500
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>all this talk about bumper stickers, and i don't even have t-shirt! are
>there any left, and if so, where can i get mine???

ooooooh, me too!
cathy, proclaiming loudly that it's not *her* fault she didn't have
a computer before a couple of months ago!

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emily for president
she aims to please the girlies

(just me, being silly again)
molly o+

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i know i've asked this question before, but i keep trashing the answer.
can anyone please respond? i promise i won't trash the answer this time:

what is the u.s. postage cost to mail a padded mailer (just under 7" x 10")
with one, two and three tapes plus cases to canada by surface mail?

hoping someone can help me out,

robin

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hi all...just a quick note to add to the discussion on pushing the
needle too far.  i have always seen an audio meter in my head when
thinking about this song.  for those who've done any recording, you
may recall that you have to strike the right balance when it comes to
upping the volume...it's easy to overdo it and end up with distortion.
you want to turn the volume up as high as possible without slipping
into the red zone. (gotta keep your eye on the needle) metaphorically, i
think this applies to life.  (in much the same vein as bonnie's post)
(pun only marginally intended)
that's all.
nic


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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 09:27:49 est
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subject:      bumpie stickies

--- joadster wrote:
bumper stickers is merchandising....and gee, correct me if i am wrong, but
ig don't seem real big on that. maybe some new t-shirts for a tour, a video
now and then....end of story.
--- end of quote ---

well nay nay nay, joadster!

i have a lovely praple and white bumper sticker on sammy staurn that says
indigo girls.... bought it at their concert....sold by their merch folks

so, clearly they do like bumpie stickees

however, i am with you in the sense that i don't think amy would be comfy with
"saliers and ray for president" or "ray and saliers' or "amy and emily: they
kick ass in 2000!" or whatever.  it seems like amy prefers grassroots political
activism, and being president of the usa isn't too grassroots last time i
checked

just my opinion

happy monday !

xo, sus

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regarding some recent postings about whether the b/s's are
merchandising, or whether amy/emily would approve of our promoting their
candidacy for national office, i have to offer the following
observation: it seems to me that in most cases support for indie
candidates for national office is simply a way for the otherwise
disenfranchised to make a political statement.  in other words, it's a
way for people to say "we don't have much use for the status quo, or for
the prevailing parties, and we are going to show our support for an
alternative by putting bumper stickers on our cars, by writing-in
candidates who don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of winning, by
attending rallies for causes we believe in, etc. we're going to exercise
our constitutional privilege to stand up and be counted."  it's kind of
like putting a sticker on your car that says you support the green
party.  that's not a serious contender on a national scale, but it says
"hey, we're out here.  we exist and we vote."  that's all.  so i view
these stickers not as a way to get amy and emily into the white house.
rather they are a way to say "i support the kind of activism practiced
by a & e."
and if a & e didn't care about social or political action, they'd never
do the h.t.e. tours, or write songs like "let it be me" or support the
struggles of indigenous peoples, etc.
ok.  end of soapbox. except for one more thing:
as far as merchandizing goes, i somehow don't see these b/s's as a way
to win any converts for ig. they are just an expression of solidarity.
note: i really hope this doesn't come across as a flame towards any of
those recent postings questioning the b/s's.  i know those people were
musing, as i am right now. we have a fantastic forum here for sharing
ideas, and i have the utmost respect for people who log-in to post their
thoughts.  i just feel strongly that something like the bumpersticker
idea is a wonderful way to voice our solidarity with the heart and soul
of ig music.  maybe it's cuz i'm a politico, but i can't help but feel
that committment to social justice issues is indeed at the very core of
ig music and action.
sorry this is so long.  i'll be quiet now.
nic

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 10:14:55 -0500
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re: the question about us postal rates of bubble mailers with cass tapes
sent by surface mail to canada:

padded envelopes with 1 tape  = 4 oz approx  ($1.01 w/in usa)

                      2 tapes = 6 oz approx  ($1.47 w/in usa)

                      3 tapes = 9 oz approx   ($2.16 w/in usa)

us postage to canada: letters vs packet air vs surface - small packet

     up to 4 oz =     $1.14        $1.11        $1.02

     up to 6 oz =     $1.52        $1.47        $1.30

     up to 9 oz =     $2.09        $2.01        $1.72


but don't take my word for it, it's not like i'm a disgruntled postal
worker with a semi-automatic and a couple hundred rounds just waiting
for the right moment, or anything like that...   ;o)

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hi folks-

here's a little tv update, since so many new ig lovers seem to keep
signing up:

[note: *phuullleeezz* check your local tv listings cuz different
stations air shows at different times in different parts of the country
- esp pbs stations. plus, dates and times are always subject to change -
because life likes to screw with your head! and all times are est -
that's eastern std time - east coast, usa - cuz that's where i live,
that's why!]   ;o)


tue jan 06 11pm - vh1 - behind the scenes: lilith fair
                        (repeat #54... soon to be followed by #55, #56)

wed jan 07 9:30pm - abc - ellen with ig and sarah mclachlan
                          (time to learn how to set that new xmas
                           vcr!)

sat feb 28 ?pm - pbs - austin city limits: ig (w/ guests vonda shepard
                                               and kim richey)

     *nigc:*

sun jan 11 1am - vh1 - duets: melissa etheridge performs w/ jewel,
[sat nite]                    joan osborne, paula cole,
                              sophie b hawkins

thu jan 15 11:35pm - cbs - [from the "ooh, ooh, pinch me - i must be
                            dreaming dept"!]
                           d letterman: spice girls (umm... perform?)

sun jan 25 2am - abc - abc in concert: kd lang and jonatha brooke
[sat nite]

sun jan 25 ?pm - nbc - super bowl: jewel performs us national anthem

sun feb 01 2am - abc - abc in concert: rage against the machine
[sat nite]                             (an a&e fav)


i shall endeavor to keep abreast of a&e on the telly, or wherever, with
their permission, of course. <g>  ;o)

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y'know, while i also see the images of the audio meter or a drug needle
when listening to this song, the image that really comes to me first is a
record player needle being scraped across a record, creating that
scraping noise. i'm thinking like a hard, violent pushing of the needle all
the way across the record. it's a violent and jarring action, just like
all the stuff talked about in the song. do i make sense with this?
anyway, i really love this song (especially on 1200 curfews when amy goes
off "your mind, your mouth, your stomach, your eyes...").
have a lovely day all
-sam

on mon, 5 jan 1998, nicola nelson wrote:
> hi all...just a quick note to add to the discussion on pushing the
> needle too far.  i have always seen an audio meter in my head when
> thinking about this song.  for those who've done any recording, you

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ok, it seems to me y'all need a little smile material this morning after all
of these bumper sticker messages so:

last night i was driving in my car and as always, when a new song comes on, i
immediately change the singer on the radio to a and e.  ok, that's kind of
weird but in a good way, right? ok, well, the next song that came on was say,
say, say by paul mcartney and michael jackson.  but ya know what?  as cheesy
as the song is, i can hear the girls doing it.  so that's my scary cover for
the day:)
cheer up all,
carrie

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---christy lynch <cml@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> this may not be what you're looking for, but i always thought
"fugitive"
> was about amy herself. then i read an article saying that it was about
> another woman (i got the impression it was someone she was dating).
does
> this help? i'd love to hear your response.
>                                                         christy :)
id have to agree with christy here, tigger et al....i mean i know she
sings she but i always thought she was referring to herself.
christy,get off my brainwave woman ;)

==
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the lord there's people out there like you...
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-

> now i met the queen and i understand why she closed the door
> i'm not making excuses but i've been there a few times
> i was knocking on her door
> i think i know what's wrong
> i think i know what's wrong

does anyone know what this means?the queen?

> we've all been removed in one way or another

or thi?indifference?
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>                               chiapas bound
>                                by amy ray
>
> all the girls with anorexia are on the street tonight
> and the boys in the band think they look just fine
> but i don't really know why i drove my car down to congress avenue
> hoping to find you turning on the light
>
> well you seem like a girl with the world on your side
> and it's just a point of view
> and you know how quickly that can change too
> see i heard you were free or someone thinks you should be
> and i know just how that feels
> i thought maybe we could just talk for awhile

{bridge}
'cuz baby i got something to stand for
i got somewhere to go
i just need someone to stand with
'cuz it ain't no good just bein' alone.

> when you said that you'd go down to mexico
> i think that i might go there too
> but it's probably too late to find someone like you
> yeah, it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town
> but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound
> yeah, it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town
> but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 12:32:23 -0500
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looking for  amelia hardy of georgia. i have no idea what these blanks
you sent me a few weeks ago are for.

please email me  lynda@csg-soft.com

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just be creative.....


on mon, 05 jan 1998 12:32:23 -0500 lynda@csg-soft.com (lynda) wrote:

>looking for  amelia hardy of georgia. i have no idea what these blanks
>you sent me a few weeks ago are for.
>
>please email me  lynda@csg-soft.com

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 12:00:28 -0600
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hi y'all! my girlfriend gave me a wonderful screensaver that has clips of touch me fall on it...truth to tell it isn't a very good screen saver as s.s's go, but it has ig on it so i am not complaining! she got it from ladyslipper, so those interested might try that. i think it was under $10 but not willing to swear to it.

also, i got sent a really cute piece that details the differences between a lesbian and a dyke (e.g., a lesbian drinks out of a glass, a dyke pops a top, and other such gems). all interested can privately email me and i promise not to post it to the list unless i get 15 requests or more. :)

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hmmm, i'm a little confused. i thought we dropped the t-shirt idea a while
ago. someone fill me in, 'cause if they do exist, i want one!!!!


sari, who cannot believe she is back in classes

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hi folks-

a short while back i wrote about my "first time" hearing & getting
hooked on ig. i mentioned said that it happened during ig's a cappella
of "american tune" at newport folk festival in 1991.

so... someone writes me a note and says that the lifeblood setlist for
newport in 91 doesn't include "american tune".

so... i think to myself, big hairy deal, maybe it was 90 or 92 - hey it
*was* a long time ago.

so... i go check out lifeblood and *can't* find "american tune" on *any*
newport setlists.

so... my question for you kind friends: did anyone attend newport in 90,
91, or 92 *and* boot the show? if so... please tell me which year they
played "american tune" at newport. i'm not crazy... well... not totally
completely crazy, anyway... cuz i know i heard them do it at newport...
and if i don't find out which one... i will no longer be accountable for
my actions...

please... someone... help me...


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okay gang, i got fifteen requests in less than the time it took me to scarf down my lunch, so nigc or not, here it goes. btw, i don't know who shelly robert is and ladyslipper is a wonderful non-profit organization that sells a lot of women's music. it can be checked out at www.ladyslipper.org (org because it is non-profit). enjoy the piece that follows!

>>
>>shelly robert's rules for the correct lesbian

>>          a lesbian drinks out of a glass. a dyke pops a top.
>>          a lesbian buys real estate. a dyke rents.
>>          a lesbian keeps stock in the safety deposit box. a dyke puts it >back >>out on >>          the shelf.
>>          a dyke on bike owns a harley. a lesbian owns a schwinn.
>>          a dyke's tattoos don't rub off. a lesbian's don't show.
>>          a lesbian brunches. a dyke drives-through.
>>          a lesbian has acquaintances. a dyke has buddies.
>>          a dyke buys playboy over the counter. a lesbian has a subscription.
>>          none of a lesbian's earrings are made from parts in her tool box.
>>          a lesbian drives a porsche. a dyke commands a camaro.
>>          a lesbian has her ears pierced. a dyke always goes further. way >>further.
>>          a dyke can actually say the word dildo.
>>          a lesbian can pass.
>>          you can always tell a dyke. but not much.
>>          a lesbian cooks. a dyke defrosts.
>>          a dyke makes dinner. a lesbian makes reservations.
>>          a lesbian entertains at home. a dyke has a regular stool.
>>          a lesbian networks. and chats. a dyke shows up.
>>          a lesbian serves canapes. a dyke feeds you from a can o'peas.
>>          a dyke has a tool belt. a lesbian has a tooled belt.
>>          a dyke will drink from the hose. a lesbian sprays evian to set her >>makeup.
>>          a dyke believes she looks good in an eight dollar haircut.
>>          a lesbian plays games. a dyke watches them.
>>          a dyke plays softball. a lesbian plays hardball.
>>          or was it the other way around....?
>>

ttyl
urvashi

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how do i get off this list?

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i can't believe how serious this bumper sticker thing has gotten.  now
everyone's arguing over whether amy and emily would want to be president?
c'mon! this is a joke.  it's for fun.  it is, as someone mentioned, an
expression of solidarity between fans.  i think "saliers/ray 2000, they
aim to please the girlies", would be pretty damn perfect. of course, if
this would offend (i can't imagine that it would; picture emily saying "we
don't just please girlies! those bastards!") then use one of the bland
unity phrases.  let's have our votes and count em up (*offline* of course)
and get em printed up and not worry so darn much.  if we ever get sued for
copyright infringement, i will take the blame.  i will say it was all my
fault, i told you it was okay, and you all followed me like lemmings.
this has turned into a "indigo girl legal issues" list.
:) :) :) :) :) :) many happy faces
mc

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does anyone have a boot of the april 12th, 1996 athens, oh concert?  if not,
how about any boot w/ ig singing "it won't take long" w/ ferron?  i don't have
anything to trade but i'll reimburse postage and a blank tape.
thanks!
molly o+

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hi-

i have a friend who is looking for some indigo girls posters for her wall.  if
there is anyone out there who has some and would like to trade/sell them
please let me kno, know what you'll trade/sell for,  and know what they are
like.  thank you!

-smileydev2@aol.com

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hey everybody--

i know we just discussed mystery a couple of months ago, but i was
listening to it today and i was thinking about the part where emily says,
"there are a thousand things you would die for, i can hardly think of two."
  what do you think those those two things are?  she probably just meant it
as a figure of speech.  but since she is in love with this person, you
would think she would die for them.  maybe she is saying that is something
she would die for, but she can't think of anything more, where as, with her
lover, they have so many things they would die for, and emily is only one
part of that.  i would love to hear what people think about that and, also,
what people think  the second thing she would die for would be.

lcasey

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i think "two" rhymes with "you" in the next line (that's why i ask these
things of you."

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in a message dated 98-01-05 14:44:39 est, mclark@ultrix.ramapo.edu writes:

<< i think "saliers/ray 2000, they
aim to please the girlies", would be pretty damn perfect. >>

yes! i agree! i also agree that this thing has gotten a little too serious. it
is supposed to be joke, and i think that one would be perfect. :) otherwise.
it would seem too real and serious. whatever, just my opinion! :)
dana

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well, obviously, the second thing emily would die for is me! i thought that
was clear as a bell. :)
dana

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a totally fanatical ig fan (not to mention a very loyal ig list member)
just celebrated her 40th birthday.  please take a moment to email susan
marine (ohsusanna@sugar-river.net) to wish her a happy 40th birthday.  she
is taking the leap to 40 pretty well, but could use a few kind words to
make her transition that much easier.  thanks for your help on this one!

michael

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if anyone on the list has any sarah boots they would be willing to trade me
for or dub for me it would be soooo much appreciated!  my friend's birthday
is coming up and he absolutely loves her and it would be really cool to get
it for him.  so, if anyone can help please e mail me!  thanks!

beth halpern

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<< > but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound
  >>
this got me thinking: has it been written anywhere what amy thinks about
what's been going on in chiapas the past few weeks? i remember someone posted
to the list about it.

erica

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in a message dated 98-01-05 12:18:47 est, you write:

<< > but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound
  >>
this got me thinking: has it been written anywhere what amy thinks about
what's been going on in chiapas the past few weeks? i remember someone posted
to the list about it.

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just a thought....anyone ever notice the ig poster on sidney's wall in
"scream"? a friend pointed it out....thought it was noteworthy =).

-ab

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in a message dated 98-01-05 17:23:12 est,erica writes:

<< this got me thinking: has it been written anywhere what amy thinks about
what's been going on in chiapas the past few weeks? i remember someone posted
to the list about it.

just found this on the epic ig homepage:

amy ray: "i hope you had a great holiday season. the indigo girls were
able to spend time with family and friends in the atlanta area. i was
enjoying some much needed time off when word came out of chiapas about
more violent actions against the indigenous peoples of mexico. on
monday, december 22, pri (revolutionary institional party) gunmen
attacked two small towns 12 miles north of san cristobal de la casas,
chiapas, mexico. at least 45 zapatista civilian supporters were
massacred. eighteen children, one infant, nine men, and seventeen woman
were among the dead. these people were unarmed! it was the bloodiest
attack since the twelve days of fighting between the zapatista army of
national liberation and the mexican government troops in january 1994.
we can not tolerate another genocidal war against the indigenous peoples
of the americas. the mexican government must stop its campaign of terror
and death against the indigenous zapatistas who struggle only for the
right to land, work, health, food, education, and a life of dignity. the
u.s. government must cease their support and funding of the mexican
government's violent campaign against the indigenous peoples of mexico.

i have spent time in chiapas and feel extremely sympathetic to the
zapatistas' struggle for human/indigenous rights. you are in a position
to help. i understand that it is the holidays and you may be attending
to family and friends, but the national commission for democracy in
mexico could really use your help. please link up to the commission's
website for information on what you can do to help. we must stand in
solidarity with the indigenous people's of mexico.

the url is:  http://www.epiccenter.com/epiccenter/indigogirls/news.qry

pam

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i think to fully comprehend and interpret "mystery" (which is one of my all
time favs), and especially the line where emily says "there must a 1000 things
you would die for, but i can hardly think of 2", you have to look at the
preceding lyrics:

...and you like the taste of danger and it shines like sugar on your lips/
and you like to stand in the line of fire just to show you can shoot straight
from your hip....

it sounds like the person she is referring to is a little reckless and looking
for trouble in the first place. so to say that "there must be a 1000 things
you would die for" somehow makes you think that this person is just plain
gung-ho on everything they do, and with every issue or debate they jump right
in and find a hill to die on. in emily's case, she is saying that she is a
little more, uh, particular with what she chooses to die for.

but the end line to that whole bridge section ends with:
...but not everything is better spoken aloud/not when i'm talking to you...

this leads me to believe that the person does have a softer, less "radical"
side to them that emily has fallen in love with, and the whole point of the
"mystery" is that they remain together, despite the "impossibilities." they
are able to "meet in the middle" of these impossibilities and make something
work for them.

to me, the song is about finding a companion/lover despite the differences
(think of the pirate and his ship and the girl...remember, she makes a "very
good listener") between people. it's a mystery that they find one another and
it's a mystery that it's continued.

my .02 (still can't find the cent sign...)
kasey

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>what people think  the second thing she would die for would be.

my best guess here would be her music. it is so much a part of
who she is. i know that if i had her talent and wisdom, that would
be one of the things on *my* very short list of things worth dying for.

cathy, who can think of maybe three or four, but who's counting?

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility"    -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch"    -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart"    -- phish
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i was just curious, why don't we make a couple different designs?  they can
be variations on a theme (voices for a new millenium, or one world, two
voices, etc) or one or two of an ig logo (assuming we can get around the
copyright infringement), one of amy's tattoo, and one of ray/saliers 2000
blahblahblah.
        just an idea...
        ~panda!
                -max

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in a message dated 98-01-05 17:30:00 est, indigoares@aol.com writes:

<< just a thought....anyone ever notice the ig poster on sidney's wall in
"scream"? a friend pointed it out....thought it was noteworthy =). >>

oh i love it when my two favorite things come together!!  i noticed the ig
poster first time i saw scream  & was really psyched!! it woulda been neat if
they had the new sots poster in the sequel... :-) i just like the fact that
sid has good taste in tunes. ;)

i wonder what a&e think?

rick
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you know i've come too far to wind up right back where i started*
-johnette napolitano

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 18:35:48 -0500
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de-lurking to share part of my day.....wandered into the local best buy
searching for rem's eponymous when i noticed a cd titled "lesbian
favorites: women like us"  no ig or melissa etheridge tracks strangely
enough bit the run-down wasn't bad:

k.d. lang - just keep me moving
fem2fem - obsession
jill sobule - i kissed a girl (i could have lived without this one)
ani defranco - in or out
dar williams - as cool as i am
janis ian - ride me like a wave
wendy & lisa - strung out
betty - a typical love
taylor dane - i'll be your shelter
kristen hall - prey to you (my fav)
jane siberry - temple
ferron - call me
disappear fear - photograph
phranc - mrs. brown you've got a lovely daughter
gretchen phillips - swimming
tanita tikaram - twist in my sobriety
sandra bernhard - 50 ways to leave you lover
2 nice girls - i spent my last $10.00 (on birth control and beer)

not a bad selection it's put out by rhine records who just happen to have a
web site at http://www.rhino.com

back to lurking.....


kat

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          without feeling you can't exist"
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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 18:37:31 -0500
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you guys are great! thanks to all who took the time to write to remind
me about the newport folk fest cd released in early 92 (which i actually
own - but forgot about!).

so... the consensus *seems* to be that it was in 90 that ig did
"american tune" - altho one person said they have all the nff's on tape
and would check tonight - just to be sure that it was 1990.

one interesting note: apparently the song which got me hooked on them,
was according to ar - sung badly out-of-tune.

so... maybe it wasn't that one tune that hooked me, but their whole set
- just those 2 amazin young women standing there with their guitars
making all that beautiful music...

it still works for me... 7.5 yrs and counting...

:o)
peace...

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looking for the following show boots:

blossom music center (cuyahoga falls, oh) 6/12/97
polaris amphitheater (columbus, oh) 8/10/97 (lilith fair)
columbus state theater (palace theater?) 12/1/97(?) --the show with the
airplane chatter.

also looking for the boot of the ohio listees on cd101 (columbus radio)

sorry for the caps, i'm not yelling at yous.

please email me privately.
thanks, love y'all,
jill


"it's the veal calf syndrome, not the feminine mystique."
                                          -amy ray

"...the activists crowned a live sheep miss america and paraded it on the
boardwalk to parody the way the contestants, and, by extension, all women,
'are appraised and judged like animals at a country fair.'"
                                          -alice echols

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 16:17:47 -0800
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i just noticed a compilation album on cdnow called women's work, featuring
songs by ani, ferron, janis ian, kristen hall, and others.  do any of you
have this one?  recommend it?

p.s.  ;-)  which is y'all's fave ani album?

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hi y'all!
i know that 1 2 3 is one of the list's least fave songs (on the whole),
but it is actually one of my faves.  okay, one of my maybe, top 12 faves
(they're all my faves, if you know what i'm saying!).  but i really like
the way we have discussed pushing the needle too far, fugitive, and let it
be me.  so i was wondering how y'all interperate 1 2 3.  any comments
would be great!!!  thanks y'all!

:-) karen (who will be back in ohio tomorrow night!!!!  woo hoo)
hi steph/jill/twink/heather and all!!!  :-)

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right now i've been listening to airplane a lot.  before i even listened to
it, i knew that it was one of the list's least favorites. when i finally got
to listen to it (i'm a relatively new fan), i loved it.  i know the feeling of
being afraid to fly.

i loved when emily talks about how she can't believe she read her horoscope or
the fortune on the bubblegum strip.  it made her sound so ordinary, which is
what i like about the girls.

airplane is one of my favorites right now.

wmntime

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 17:22:31 -0800
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hi all,
well, i've asked these two questions before, and i get no reply.  out of
900 people, i'm sure someone knows:

1.  is there such a thing as a list t-shirt? where can i get one, &

2.  does anyone know why a&e boycott nabisco products?

if anyone can answer, please do!

peace,
cindy
muse@ecis.com

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 20:20:48 est
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i'm such a stickler about the spelling of ani's name...it's not defranco and
never has been ...doesn't say defranco on any of her cds, tapes, posters or t
shirts...

that must mean it's difranco...


yep...it is...

just so no one says they get sick of the nigc...

i've been listening to reunion a lot...

an amazing song...

i can't stop listening to it...

there...igc   ;)


heather

p-o-p-r-o-c-k-g-r-r-l

popping candy people not the lame excuse for music

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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 20:26:21 -0400
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hmmm..it's me - it should be to everyone's amazement that i'm using the
list to contact an individual once again! i couldn't find his e-mail
address, so you know - i resorted to the coolness of the list.

j-
hey! got your tape today...you're not too late, so sit back and relax
man!  :)  it sounds reaaaaal good too!  :)

-bethany :)

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o.k.  let me first start this post by professing that rob sticka is
theee most happenin' man on the planet!  i received his recording for
the cover tape today (scooter boys, along with his recordings of a few
others...jim croce (a.k.a "the man"), fleetwood mac, and cat stevens),
as well as guitar tab to one of my favorite jim croce songs -
"photographs and memories."  i've been freaking playing it all night,
and it's rockin'!
so, everyone just remember how cool rob is - he deserves more
recognition than this, but this is as good as it gets...
one more thing before i sign off for the evening!  this list has given
me an unbelievable amount of mail in my real mailbox (most of you
understand i'm sure!) - it's fun mail though...you know what i mean.  i
received three yellow envelopes today, and am beginning to get the
feeling that my mailman thinks i'm a druglord....it's just fun to watch
his face during his walk up the driveway!  i feel like such a gangsta'!
just call me "puff daddy..." :)

anyhoo, enough of my ramblings for one night!
until next time....

-bethany ;)

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anyway regarding boots etc, i have absolutely nothing to trade (at least =
i'm honest) but i am more than willing to supply blank tapes, postage =
whatever to anyone who's willing to help me out.

and i'm really looking forward to a&e coming back down under.

regards

linda kuill
kuilll@mpx.com.au

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in a message dated 98-01-05 20:07:05 est, wmntime@aol.com writes:

<< right now i've been listening to airplane a lot.  before i even listened to
it, i knew that it was one of the list's least favorites. when i finally got
to listen to it (i'm a relatively new fan), i loved it.  i know the feeling
of
being afraid to fly.
  >>

yeah!! :)

um. airplane was one of my favorites the first time i heard rites of passage,
and at that point the only time i'd been on a plane was when i was like 9
years old. recently, after flying, my love for the song took off!! i  can
totally identify. besides, the roches background vocals are cool as hell!!

hey, anyone out there heard sinead o'connor's song "my special child" lately?
i was listening to some old sinead stuff & for some reason, there was a point
in the song that made me think about "hey kind friend". it was kinda odd.

peace,
  rick
*if the world is light, shine my life like a light* -emily saliers
rick's home page- http://members.aol.com/rbsayre/rick.html
have you seen this man?- *make a wish...* -jake ryan
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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 20:50:13 -0500
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imho, george bush was more in touch with the masses of all countries than that
slut in the white house now...and i don't mean hillary

karen..


ps does disaggreement give people the right to riot and loot?  we'd all be
fools, with the "hey i'm pissed, so i'll just burn my house down"
sorry...getting off my soap box

s. steffen wrote:

> hi folks,
> i'm not in minnesota (susie cheesemuffin) becasue i caught a very nasty
> cold from a friend who caught it from her niece...ugh!  never be around
> small sick children if you can help it.  anyway, besides lying around,
> sipping theraflu and watching movies like roman holiday and waiting for
> the ice storm to hit, i'm reading my email.  i agree libm is an activist
> song...let me give you my short (hopefully) take on it:
> 1. when i got the tape, the la riots had just happened.  i took very
> literally the line "a single lightbulb on a single thread for the black"
> and thought they meant racism leaves many people of color without much in
> the way of material goods.  it seemed to fit eerily well with the
> aftermath of teh rodney king verdict.  sirens wail, history fails...yeah.
> also, our  president at the time was george bush, who clearly "had no real
> idea of who the masses are" and let's face it, didn't give a crap either.
> who needs the masses when you can buy votes?  and look what happens when
> you ignore "the masses."  riots.  deaths.  fires, looting, etc.
>
> 2. i just finished reading marge piercy's _city of darkness, city of
> light_ which is a beautifully written fiction book about the french
> revolution.  i really am having to think a lot about "the power of the
> people."  kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change...so apt for the
> french revolution...but the power of truth is the fan for the flames.
> yup.  the people wanted power, adn they wanted to see where all of the
> money was going and why they didn't have bread.  so they fanned the flames
> of their revolutionary zeal with the truth of what happened in the king's
> government.
>
> that's it.  off to watch "an affair to remember" and try not to cough my
> lungs out.  blech.  hope all of you are far, far better than i am.  ;-)
>
> love (and a long-distance, non-germy kiss to susie b.),
> suzi
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date:         mon, 5 jan 1998 21:06:29 est
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listers!!
after 6 long months, i'm back on-line and back on the list!
i missed you guys!
tell me, someone, please, where are the girls these days?  done touring yet?
once again, i may have to part with an indigo item or two from my personal
collection.  stay tuned fro details!
it's good to be back.  keep passing the good word of the girls!
~~robin

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 10:18:12 +0800
reply-to:     jodi <joadster@space.net.au>
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ok folks, i have had a million emails....to those who i have replied to,
they now understand where i am coming from so i will snip and cut a few bits
and pieces from
replies so that you all see where i am coming from too...

>i am also australian. it's extremely hard being a foreign listee...
>i can't get the magazines you all talk about, i can't go to the concerts
you all rave about, i can't even watch all the tv programs you get. my
problem - no one else's.
>now though everyone wants to put together this bumper sticker thing where
once again i am alienated because i am not american. if people were to get
away from the politics and back to the music then maybe i, and others on the
list who aren't in america, could join in.

i realise the majority of you are americans, but can any of you find it in
your heart to  take a couple of seconds to perhaps see what country mail is
coming from and imagine what it is like for anyone outside the states who
love ig just as much as you americans do...it's not easy. i remember someone
complaining (in the usa) because their local radio station was giving away
tickets to see ig...i thought my god, why can't this person be grateful that
they atleast have the opportunity to see them live and that their local
radio station actually supports ig!
waiting for my local radio station to pick up on ig would be like waiting
for hell to
freeze over. i won't even get into how difficult their cd's are to come across.

i don't have a problem with bumper stickers. i have a problem accepting that
people want to make a political statement on someone else's behalf....by all
means print them...i'm not saying that you can't. however if i stuck one on
my car everyone in australia would think that ray/saliers were some kind of
sports people competing in the 2000 olympics...  :)

this is a big world folks, 'get out the map..."
love,
joadster


if i were to put this bumper sticker on my car, people in australia would
assume ray and saliers were some kind of sports people competing in the 2000
olympics.

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> also, our  president at the time was george bush, who clearly "had no real
> idea of who the masses are" and let's face it, didn't give a crap either.
> who needs the masses when you can buy votes?

pss...i seem to remember hearing recently that bill and al illegally used the
white house phones to raise funds for their campaign....

karen<----a staunch republican (who's gonna get flamed)

karen frey wrote:

> imho, george bush was more in touch with the masses of all countries than that
> slut in the white house now...and i don't mean hillary
>
> karen..
>
> ps does disaggreement give people the right to riot and loot?  we'd all be
> fools, with the "hey i'm pissed, so i'll just burn my house down"
> sorry...getting off my soap box
>
>

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in a message dated 98-01-05 19:52:15 est, elena@cruzio.com writes:

<< women's work >>

definitely recommend it, plus pudamayo (sp?) records is a cool label.

bonnie

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hello fortunate ones~

at 08:50 pm 1/5/98 -0500, karen frey wrote complaining about what s. seffen
wrote:

>s. steffen wrote:
>
>> also, our  president at the time was george bush, who clearly "had no real
>> idea of who the masses are" and let's face it, didn't give a crap either.

(karen responded):
>imho, george bush was more in touch with the masses of all countries than that
>slut in the white house now...and i don't mean hillary
>
>karen..

        as a side note, in the "town hall" debate with clinton where they
sat on stools and fielded questions from the audience, i remember in particular~

        a young black woman stood up and asked president bush what he was
going to do about the unemployed and the lack of jobs?
        bush looked sincerely baffled and responded that he didn't know what
she was talking about.  he said all the people he knew had good jobs!  and
he wasn't kidding either!
        being unemployed at the time, it really stuck in my mind that this
man had _absolutely no idea_ of what the the average american was facing in
the economy.

        and if i recall correctly, clinton's camp kept repeating, "it's the
economy, stupid!"
        while no big clinton fan, i must admit that the economy here is
houston has vastly improved in the past few years!

tony


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something happened to my e-mail folder and i lost the links ya'll sent me
for the boot pages.  can someone e-mail them to me?
                thanks,
                        chelsea

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zoweee! my computer went in for repairs on friday and i finally got it back a
few hours ago. yes, and i started reading my email a few hours ago...and
haven't stopped!! geez, when this list gets going, it really gets going!  i
love it!
anyway (or should that be amyray?) i only skimmed most of the mail - but
thought i should add in several cents, about various topics...

ok - the whole bumpah stickah thing (i'm from maine, ok?)... i have two
different feelings about it. 1: i thing that it is one of the coolest ideas
i've heard in a long time. it would definitely send out some sort of message
and bond us crazies together. and 2: depending upon what the sticker portrays,
it could really infringe upon e and a's  privacy and may be publicity they
don't want... now, my general feeling is that whatever we/you/someone does
with this sticker idea, we should definitely get permission from them first.
or russell carter. or lisa markowitz (last i knew, she was in charge of
publicity, right?)  this shouldn't be done as an underground thing - if we're
all here to support the ig, let's get the ig to support this, huh? i know it's
not a big deal - it could end up being really cool - and think about how much
amy and em would love us if we made lots of moolah for their stuff! (maybe
they would have stickers made for us - now that's an idea) . . . i like all
the ideas mentioned - i think if we go ahead we should use at least a few of
them (as long as they're not _too_ political) - i rather like the idea of
something like "saliers/ray [etc]" or even "amy/emily" so that only true ig
lovers get it.  imagine the horns honking...
btw, i did get a plain blue and white b.s. at an oct. concert.

oh, and i found a little picture of cooper seay! i had been wondering what she
was like... i'm trying to find out if i would like the ellen james
society/viva la diva but i can't find clips of their music anywhere! anyone
who adores the ig like viva la diva?? oh, anyway, in my tape cover of back on
the bus there are two (i think) little thumbnail pictures with cooper in them.
never noticed it before. looks like a wild woman!

well, i had more to say but i fergot.  until next time!
~flora

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>
>p.s.  ;-)  which is y'all's fave ani album?
>
hey,
        i think my favorite album is the first one or not a pretty girl.  i am
really likeing puddle dive though (i just got it),
                                chelsea>


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>                                elena@cruzio.com
>
>"i don't want what's best for you, where will i be when you've found it?" -
>emily saliers
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sorry to waste the space, but i have a question.  i have liked 2 nice
girls for a bit over a year now (hummmm...too bad they albums are all out
of print, but i managed to find them), ever since my japanese prof
introduced me to the song "i spend my last $10 (on birth control and
beer)".  anyway, i was wondering if anyone has the gretchen phillips
experience and if you do, would you recommend it?also, if you have it,
where did you find it???  finally, does anyone know if gretchen tours at
all.  any info would be really helpful!  please e-mail me!

:-) karen

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>
>if i were to put this bumper sticker on my car, people in australia would
>assume ray and saliers were some kind of sports people competing in the 2000
>olympics.
>

hee hee. what would be their events?  somehow i can't get the image of amy
in those little running shorts things out of my mind!!! =)
lori

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i agree with you completely. it's hard being an aussie and and ig fan.  =
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hey y'all. i was just wondering if anyone had the lyrics for "down by the
river" by neil young. thanks in advance.

                                                        christy :)

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thank you. so sorry to waste valuable space.

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would this be maybe a take of the (i think kate bush song) that goes this
womans work


on mon, 5 jan 1998, bonnemot wrote:

> in a message dated 98-01-05 19:52:15 est, elena@cruzio.com writes:
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> << women's work >>
>
> definitely recommend it, plus pudamayo (sp?) records is a cool label.
>
> bonnie
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sorry about the forward stuff here guys, i accidentally sent it to the
listserv address!!!  how's that for stupid?  can we all tell how excited i am
about what you're about to read?

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those of you not lucky enough to have been on aol around 9:45 cst tonight
missed out - the illustrious julie clark put in an appearance!!!!!!!!!!  :o)

we did our best not to freak out (well, some of us did).  and she was really
nice and everything and we sincerely hope she will come back to visit us there
again very soon!!!!!

for those of you on aol, a link to our chat room:
<a href="aol://2719:62-2-indigo%20glrls">arts and entertainment - indigo glrls
</a>

come visit us!  :o)  and hey julie - thanks!!!!!!!!!!!  :o)

peace, harmony and indigo,

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the post that contained the differences between a lesbian and a dyke also
contained the comment about not knowing who shelly roberts is.  i knew she was
an author of some sort and i knew i had a friend who knows shelly personally,
so i wrote to my friend and below is the reply.

*****
you can tell the list that she is an author with several titles to her
credit....      roberts rules of lesbian living
                roberts rules of lesbian breakups
                hey mom guess what?  150 way to tell your mother
                the dyke detector:  how to tell the real lesbians from
                        ordinary people

she has a couple other titles in the works and publishes a column in many
g/l newspapers around the country titles  robert's rules.
she has been a guest speaker at many pride events around the country as
well..... and is available for speaking engagements.

she currently resides in atlanta.

if anyone would like to get in touch w/ her she does have a web page...
but i can't find it right now.....  i'll try to locate it.

*****

just an fyi for anyone interested!
linda
:)

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this was posted yesterday but i'm a little behind in my mail so i didn't
read it until just now... anyway, barb wrote:
>the sexual tension thing:  yeah!  this inspired my first lesbian
thought:  "umm..  ok, i'm not a lesbian, but that amy, she's hot!!!"  i
think it was on sys, and also on cio, anyway, she was just cranking out
those chords like ... <---cencored--->...

(calm down carolyn...you haven't succeeded yet)  i actually noticed it
during secure yourself.  it never occured to me that a concert could be
such a sensual experience. oh yeah, i'm straight, too.  but she was
rubbing up against her guitar and i was like wow... just thought i'd
share.  i'll go back to lurking and bugging people for boots now...
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>>if i were to put this bumper sticker on my car, people in australia would
>>assume ray and saliers were some kind of sports people competing in the 2000
>>olympics.

>hee hee. what would be their events?  somehow i can't get the image of amy
>in those little running shorts things out of my mind!!! =)

somehow, i can picture amy doing shot put and javelin.  i'd bet emily would be graceful on ice, or swimming...


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its funny, the stirrings of my interest in women started during my first ig
concert, too (though i didn't recognize them as such until much later)...i was
in the last row of the lawn section at berkeley's greek theater, on my knees
the whole time just to try and see the stage.   its the last night before i
fly back to indiana for school, cool and breezy, the kind of night that eases
its way through your summer dress without letting you know right away how cold
you're going to be...and then they break into touch me fall, and its like this
whole blossoming, this whole awakening to all these possibilities that i'd
never seen before.  at the time, just the idea that a woman (amy) could get up
on a stage and say what she was saying and be that present was so phenominal,
so strange to my little 19 year old sensibilities.  i didn't connect it with
sexuality at the time (my little 19 year old sensibilities still thought love
was anything that looked my way), but looking back, i realize how necessary
that shift was for me to be able to look at my sexuality at all, look at what
i can do and what i can be.  (in retrospect, i also see how erotic some of the
imagery in the song is, and how i was drawn to that even before i thought
consciously of being attracted to women).

thanks to all of your for being out there.

peace,
shelley

(and whoever it was who recommended tina and the b side movement--you rock.
they are way cool!)

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in a message dated 98-01-05 22:02:08 est, rdarkin@mindspring.com writes:

<< >p.s.  ;-)  which is y'all's fave ani album? >>

i think besides living in clip (because it's got all her best & she kicks ass
live!), out of range would be her best imho.

however, dilate would be my favorite, because it found itself in my cd player
at the moment i needed it most.

peace,
rick
*i took you to an intimate restaurant, then to a suggestive movie
it's getting hard this holding back... you know what i mean?*

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 01:26:32 est
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sorry everyone who e-mailed me but the list-meet will unfortunately not be
taking place.  the planning was very sudden and things didn't get off the
ground quickly enough.  i hope we can do it eventually though.
please keep in touch and sorry again,
carrie

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 01:22:56 est
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while i think this a totally cool idea and i want some, i *really* think
that someone should ask them what they think of this.  i mean aren't
they are always saying how they want privacy?  what if they see this as
a breech of their privacy?  or just don't like the idea?  it is their
names... shouldn't we give them a choice in how we use it?  someone who
is going to the next concert should ask them how they feel about it.  i
don't know that i'd feel right displaying one until i knew that they
were supportive of it.....

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> de-lurking to share part of my day.....wandered into the local best buy
>  searching for rem's eponymous when i noticed a cd titled "lesbian
>  favorites: women like us"  no ig or melissa etheridge tracks strangely
>  enough bit the run-down wasn't bad:

...another shameless plug for this cd:  i got it a few weeks ago,
and my two fave songs are "twist in my sobriety" by tanita tikaram
(had never heard her, but she's wunnerful!) and "fifty ways to leave
your lover" covered by sandra bernhard (hilarious with the appropriate
gender switches--dare i say i like it better than the s&g original? ;).
okay, for the igc:  i, too, was wondering why no ig or mle tracks
were included.  the cd booklet (don't have it here with me, sorry) lists
some artists that they wanted to include songs of but couldn't because
of management/record label deals, or something to that effect...yes, ig
were on the list, along with mle and (i think) sophie b. hawkins.  i
don't know the story behind why they weren't on the cd, but i hope it
wasn't just epic/sony having "issues" with the girls being on a
"lesbian" album.  i mean, they *were* in curve, etc., soooo...
hmm...anyone who has additional info., please share. =)

peace, love, and rollercoaster moons,
ponygrrrl

p.s.  anyone else find it odd that taylor dayne is on this album? =
i never thought of her lyrics as being lesbian-oriented, but maybe i
missed something...? =)

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i could certainly live out the rest of my days quite nicely without
reading posts containing name-calling, as in the following:

>that slut in the white house now...and i don't mean hillary

logging in this morning and reading that statement was a truly horrible
way to start my day.

peace-nic


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>we can't use any lyrics or pictures created by the girls (or tattoo
>artists) if they are copyrighted and i know that they all are.
>....
>so, if we seriously want to do this, we must steer clear of the lyrics.

what about altered lyrics?  such as:

        "if the world is night, shine my life like a light"
changed:
        "since the world is night, shine their lives like a light."

or something similar?

- rick

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 08:39:44 -0500
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the only chicken man i remember from the 70's
is super chicken. heheh :)

he will drink his super-sauce and throw the
robber's for a toss...

oh!  i'm pathetic.  hehehe :)

- rick

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 08:47:32 -0500
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ok!  i have an idea...

why don't we all vote on a slogan(s), and then anyone who wants to
design a bumper sticker(s) go ahead.  then we'll all vote on which
one we like the best or which one we want.  that way we get
diversity and styling in the mix.

i know the ig e-mail list says "no binaries" but i think this might
fall into an exception category??? *crossing fingers*  especially
if we sent them as jpeg's less than 40k or so each.  we send to the
list once and everyone gets it. :)

just a thought!  :)

- rick

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i think you are all being too deep on this song.  i really think
it sings at face value.  "pushing the needle too far" represents
any kind of metaphoric gauge indicating something's out of whack
or one area is receiving too much tension/distress/whatever.

i think this is one of the few ig songs that really hits you
over the head with its meaning.

- rick

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on mon, 5 jan 1998, indigoares wrote:
> just a thought....anyone ever notice the ig poster on sidney's wall in
> "scream"? a friend pointed it out....thought it was noteworthy =).

i really dont like horror movies. i watched one in my entire life,
and said "never again." but because of this poster, i have been
considering watching "scream".... i am telling you, the influence the
girls have on me, in every possible way...

july ;)

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whether or not you like george bush and think he was a man connected to the
american people, (i recall when he went to a grocery store and was
'fascinated' with the scanners at the check-out and his aides were trying to
make him move on because he just kept saying how amazing they were and
embarassing himself)...

...but  the fact is that emily did not think he was connected to the masses,
and two issues she was referring to were gay rights and aids research. she did
write let it be me when he was president and about him, and later went on to
specifically say the 'president'  she was referring to was george bush and
why. when i saw ig in 1994 she made this clear again, because at the time
clinton was in pretty good favor with her and she didn't want the audience to
think she was singing about him. then after clinton backed away from his stand
on gay civil rights, and signed doma (defense of marriage act) summer of 1996
she started singing '...has no good idea who the masses are anymore..."
    i guess it's not a requirement that you agree with their politics to be an
ig fan but geesh.....

'got to learn to respect what you don't understand, we are fortunate ones,
fortunate ones, i swear...'

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 23:54:12 +0900
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hi all,

i had a couple of ig moments today and just had to share with people who
would appreciate them. first, i'm at work and have rop going on the cd
player (nothing new) when the first verse of romeo & juliet comes on and
the phone rings. "blah blah blah, susan speaking, may i help you?" says me.
"hi this is romeo, can i speak to susan?" says the voice on the phone. i
almost fell off my chair laughing at this poor guy, thinking it was a joke.
turned out it was a new employee at another club just calling to introduce
himself and he happens to have great timing and be blessed with the name
romeo. second, and this gets a little strange, my friend called me and told
me she saw the watershed video at the navy exchange earlier in the day. (i
haven't found it anywhere, not even in the states when i was there in
sept.) so i rush over and there it is. 1 single,solitary copy on the shelf.
of course i grabbed it. so it has been a wonderful ig day for me. here's
where it gets a little strange. i also came across a cd today that i
haven't seen there before. i don't remember the exact name (it's downstairs
in my car and too cold to go look) but it's a best of album of sonny and
cher. i thought it would be cool and kind of kickie to listen to. about 2
hours ago i saw on the news that sonny bono had died in a skiing accident.
just blew me away. i find the whole thing a little bizarre. i also want to
know what the heck it is with everyone dying. now i know that people die
every day, but it just seems that every time i turn on the tv anymore,
someone else is gone. know what i mean? okay, i've blathered on long
enough. thanks for listening. peace, susan

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 10:44:28 est
reply-to:     oh susanna <oh.susanna@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      birthdays, bootlegs, and bumpie stickies

--- brenner wrote:
a totally fanatical ig fan (not to mention a very loyal ig list member)
just celebrated her 40th birthday.  please take a moment to email susan
marine (ohsusanna@sugar-river.net) to wish her a happy 40th birthday.  she
is taking the leap to 40 pretty well, but could use a few kind words to
make her transition that much easier.  thanks for your help on this one!
--- end of quote ---

hola, spice world!

okay, for starters, i am *not* 40! i am bilingual, undersexed, and limber, but
i am *not* 40. not that there's anything wrong with 40, but silly mikey brenner
is just messin with your heads on that one.

anyways, on to bizness:

does anyone have the genral foods international coffeehouse hour interview?
from a few years back? a dear friend loaned me her tape, and i busted it. it's
never happened before, so don't go thinkin i'm sketchy if i trade with
you....my tape plyer just kinda mal-funkshunned. so if you have it, could you
email me and ill send you a tape and soem nice cheesy treat to copy it for me?

thanks in advance!


if i can't find someone to tape it for me, the friendly friend who loaned it to
me is gonna come down, sit one me,  and force me to watch knightrider reruns!

also, bumper stickers: cmon people! lets stop arguing about politics and slutts
in the whitehouse! this is ridonkulous. let's get back to picking a name for a
ben and jerry's flavbor if we can't be nicey nice, shall we?

ya mon,

sus

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happy new year everyone!

sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but since you all have such wonderful
muscial taste, i wondered if anyone might be able to help me on this one:

i'm promoting a couple of gigs during a women's arts festival here in
brighton this march, and also a major arts festival in may.  i'm keen to put
on a 'named' act at a fairly large venue - ok, so i know ig won't be in town
at the time, but if anyone has heard any whispers of any other female
fronted bands or solo performers who may be in the uk in the first week of
march (or around may), then i'd appreciate a tip-off.  i'm not in the
major-label artiste league and don't have a huge budget for airfares, but if
michelle malone just happened to be in the country then that'd do very
nicely...!  or, if you just know a great act who's not necessarily very
famous but is very pro and needs some exposure...(will hopefully be some tv
involved) then let me know...

any ideas greatly appreciated!

thanks,
seffy

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apologies if this has already been posted by some quicker-than-me listee
(hey, that rhymes)...

grammy nominations were announced this morning, and hooray! shaming of the
sun has been nominated for best contemporary folk album. other nominees in
the category included guy clark, iris dement, bob dylan, and john prine.

a full list of categories and nominees can be found at
http://www.grammy.org/nominees.

cheers,
-anne

"we need new words/ for what this is, this hunger entering our/ loneliness
  like birds, stunning our eyes into rays/ of hope. we need the flutter that
  can save/ us, something that will swirl across the face/ of what we have
          become and bring us grace."  --lucille clifton, "blake"
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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 10:46:26 est
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subject:      boycott nabisco nigc

--- you wrote:
2.  does anyone know why a&e boycott nabisco products?
--- end of quote ---


because they manufacture cheezits, and a link has been established between
cheezits and satan

*wink*

sus

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 11:54:21 -0500
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sorry for the repeat...

does anyone know when all over me comes out on video?

thanks,
alanna

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be aware and to be open to both sides of issues, to know where people are
coming from and that's impotant...that's important because it makes you
feel good."
-amy ray

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 09:11:07 -0800
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hey folks--

as some of y'all know/remember i'm a debater...
tonight's the second half of our state
qualifiers....wish me luck!

igc: the case is to ban nuclear energy and uranium
mining in order to increase remnewable energy use,
stop terrorism and prolif, and stop genocide caused
by mining.... i even get to quote bmhawk
sometimes....talking about them darlings of the
energy companies....

send me good thoughts please!  thanks all,
amanda


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rick (not me, the other one!) says:

<< i think you are all being too deep on this song.  >>

would you say that we're pushing the needle too far?

ack. sorry. ;)

july writes-

<< i really dont like horror movies. i watched one in my entire life,
and said "never again." but because of this poster, i have been
considering watching "scream".... i am telling you, the influence the
girls have on me, in every possible way...
  >>

july,  scream isn't your typical horror movie... it's a rather smart movie.
you're sure to like it... um, right lisa???  <evil grin>

rick.
steering away from nigc now.
*i hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but
they've always worked for me.* -hunter s. thompson

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it occurred to me that i should also mention who they are up against.

58. contemporary folk album: ''keepers - a live recording'' guy clark; ''the
way i should'' iris dement; ''time out of mind'' bob dylan; ''shaming of the
sun'' indigo girls; ''live on tour'' john prine.


sorry if this has been posted already - i am on digest.

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well by golly!  heheh  amy's starting to make straight women drool!  jill, i
can honestly relate, hon.  i was straight (as far as i knew) when i attended
my first indigo girls concert.  couple weeks later i thought i was probably bi
(because of the "label" thing)....a couple weeks after that, i came to an
unbelievable discovery about myself.  "omg....i'm a lesbian!!!" lol   but
really, i re-thought out my whole life prior to this revelation and put the
pieces together. i had always had "crushes" on girls...but i just called it
"great drooling admiration". :p  i was always a tomboy.  i had only had 1 real
boyfriend in my life up to my senior year in h.s.
   amy ray had come thru my checkout line at the grocery store in austin the
day of their show and gave me this really....ahem...shy but mesmorizing look.
my heart flew....and heck, i didn't know it was amy. that nite was my first
concert!  then when she gave me that long and mesmorizing look during an emily
song (i was on 4th row)....i was floored.  (and then i remembered who it was!)
    so anyway, offa' my soap box.  jill, you're probably not alone in your
thoughts about amy's incredible stage sensuality...being straight.  i was
there once, too.  take it easy -- llm

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for best comtemporary folk album!!!!  congrats a+e

:-)

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its out now

on tue, 6 jan 1998, alanna christine wrote:

> sorry for the repeat...
>
> does anyone know when all over me comes out on video?
>
> thanks,
> alanna

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it's already out.  dani and i rented it about a month ago.  it's pretty
good.

michele

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thanks for providing a much needed service.  but i have a
question.  as a new member, i am amazed at how much time is spent
discussing the girls' personal lives and obscure references, and how
little time is spent discussing music.  isn't that what they're all
about?  i consider myself a huge fan, but primarily because of their
music.  is it that there is nothing left to discuss about music, or are
all the people on this list stuck in "worship" mode and have forgotten
how to appreciate and admire amy and emily for all they've accomplished,
all the beautiful words and music they've contributed?

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okay, y'all, i've done a little research and have come up with a likely reason that amy and emily are boycotting nabisco.  nabisco is, in full name, rjr nabisco, the conglomerate that produces camel cigarettes as well as ritz crackers, oreo cookies, and planters peanuts.  as we all know, joe camel is accused of attracting children to tobacco products, and statistics show that kids who start smoking before the age of 18 become the adults who are least likely to quit smoking.  anyhoo, i'll get off my soap box and just venture to say that amy and emily are boycotting nabisco because of its tobacco marketing campaign...that or they find keebler elves to be offensive to short people that live in trees...

amy, who has found too many uses for statistics today, right molly?

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hey y'all. this lesbian stuff is really starting to hit home. i spent last
summer discovering who i was through journal-writing and listening to the
indigo girls constantly. i went back and re-read some of those entries and
realize now how much i was attracted to amy before i even realized i was
gay! however, as a new fan, the only cd i owned was sots. all i heard all
day was that "it's alright" to be gay. i think that my journey has been
made so much easier because of that one song that has changed my life. in
addition to looking at amy and emily as excellent songwriters, great
singers, wonderful, "sensual" people, etc, i respect and admire them for
their bravery. i know this really has nothing to do with anything else on
the list, but i needed to share. you fellow ig fans are probably the only
ones i know that can understand what i mean. thank you for listening. i
really enjoy reading about your experiences with amy and emily and also how
you feel about them! take care.
                                                                christy :)

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hello everyone!

happy new year!  my first post of '98.  anyway, i was wondering if some
kind soul out there who has a copy of the 12/1/97 show at columbus and/or
the pre-concert radio interview would be willing to make a dub of it for
me?  or i would also be willing to trade for it/them.  i am primarily
interested in the radio interview, but would still love the columbus
show...  thanks!!!  peace y'all, melissa

-my life is more than a vision-e.s.

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -a.r.

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hi y'all,
i safely made it back to ohio!!!!  okay, so it was a long drive (it seemed
longer tnan usual) and i was exhausted and nearly fell asleep (hi steph!!!
maybe i *really* should've gone to bed at 9!!!).  but screaming along to
my many ig mixes kept me awake.

anyway, (yes, there is a point) whne i stopped at a truck stop to get gas,
i went inside the little store.  i was looking at the tapes (mostly
country and disco mixes. . .) but what should i see, but strange fire for
$2.99.  even though i have sf, i was half tempted to buy it, just to say i
bought an ig tape at a truckstop!!!  but i didn't!  anyway, it was just a
random place to see an ig tape, i mean, they were the only folky artists.

that was my indigo moment for today...

i got mtn stage (thanks carrie!!!) and i am listening to it now and loving
it!!!!!!!  i looooove how they messed up "po2" and started over.  that was
so cute!!!  it sounded fine to me, but oh well.  but i got the first verse
of my fave song twice!  pretty cool!!

okay, i gotta go buy books :( amd food :-)

peace, love, :-) and ig,
karen :-)

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over half of those dyke ones applied to me......hahahah!!  yes!

~llm

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at 05:08 pm 1/4/98  , robin squires wrote:
>correct me if i'm just being a silly canadian, but with regard to legal
>issues around trading -- isn't it true that at this point, the us
>government is only considering a law about this?

yes, the new copyright legislation being discussed is *just a bill*, not
yet law -- i was offering a heads-up on it, i don't know why people are
panicking.  bootlegs have been illegal for the entire life of this list --
that's why they call 'em that, you know?!  i certainly didn't want people
to panic, just wanted them to be informed that penalties for trades without
profit could be increasing soon.

=-=-=-=

at 06:25 pm 1/4/98  , terrilee11 wrote:
>now all we have to do is find the
>best picture of it to get to the transfer artist who volunteered. any
>suggestions of the best photo??

the best pic i've seen of amy's tattoo is in _bodies of subversion: a
secret history of women and tattoo_, which i bought from
<http://www.amazon.com>.  but it's b/w... i don't think i've ever seen a
color pic which was close up enough to show the detail.  when she showed it
to someone who asked backstage at red rocks, i was surprised at how
colorful it is.

=-=-=-=

at 11:57 pm 1/4/98  , kirsten chevalier (r for righteoussss) wrote:
>at 2:52 pm -0500 1/4/98, iu doremi wrote:
>>we can't use any lyrics or pictures
>>created by the girls (or tattoo artists) if they are copyrighted and i know
>>that they all are.
>
>hmm? the list t-shirts that were created in summer '96 used lyrics (with a
>disclaimer that copyrights remained with amy & emily.)

yes, and ig management had a nice long talk to deb reiser about that.

=-=-=-=

at 12:02 pm 1/5/98  , shufa nasser quoted ptntf:
>> we've all been removed in one way or another

>
>or thi?indifference?

think of it in terms of the definition of "removed" which is "distant in
degree of relationship ".  when someone is "removed" from one's family,
they are distant from them (usually meaning in terms of genetic
relationship, but in this case i think amy's using it to mean in terms of
emotional distance.

=-=-=-=

on chiapas:

the good news about chiapas is that this massacre is getting a lot of
attention in the news... do what you can to make the politicians pull their
heads out of the sand.

this morning i heard a report about it on npr, and they said there are
police forces moving back in to "keep the peace".

=-=-=-=

at 07:17 pm 1/5/98  , elena guerin wrote:
>i just noticed a compilation album on cdnow called women's work, featuring
>songs by ani, ferron, janis ian, kristen hall, and others.  do any of you
>have this one?  recommend it?

it's a good disc by a good company (putamayo).  nothing unreleased, but if
you're looking to discover new music, it's a great sampler.

>p.s.  ;-)  which is y'all's fave ani album?

"out of range," though i love all of the last 3 studio albums.

=-=-=-=

at 08:22 pm 1/5/98  , cindy mckenzie wrote:
>well, i've asked these two questions before, and i get no reply.  out of
>900 people, i'm sure someone knows:

yeah, but everybody figures someone else will get to it.

>1.  is there such a thing as a list t-shirt?

there have been at least 3 different list shirts over the years, but none
you could get hold of unless someone wants to sell theirs.

>2.  does anyone know why a&e boycott nabisco products?
>
>if anyone can answer, please do!

a quick web search reveals almost 600 hits matching "nabisco" and
"boycott."  it appears that they are in disfavor for owning tobacco
pushers. see <http://essential.org/orgs/infact/products.html> for more info.

=-=-=-=

at 08:47 am 1/6/98  , rick hodgin wrote:
>i know the ig e-mail list says "no binaries" but i think this might
>fall into an exception category??? *crossing fingers*

please, no!  if folks want to exchange pictures of designs, please
consolidate them on a web page for all to reference, don't inundate those
uninterested in the merchandise with binaries, no matter how "small."

=-=-=-=

at 01:31 pm 1/6/98  , christine williams wrote:
>thanks for providing a much needed service.  but i have a
>question.  as a new member, i am amazed at how much time is spent
>discussing the girls' personal lives and obscure references, and how
>little time is spent discussing music.

with all due respect, i think your perception is skewed.  there's been a
lot of discussion over the last couple of days about ig music (ptntf,
airplane, libm, the grammy nomination).  you my perceive more obscure
references than there really are because you don't know the list history,
but it's not fair to constrain those of us who do for your own benefit, or
we'd never discuss anything other than the meaning of "chikenman" over and
over again.

if you'd like more, start up a thread about what you'd like to see
discussed rather than complaining about what's not being discussed.

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miztwang wrote:
>
> over half of those dyke ones applied to me......hahahah!!  yes!
>
> ~llm
>
thank goodness this list has explained all the labels for me.  turns out
i'm a str8, crunchy, lesbidyke

joy b

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ok, so i admit that i'm a little bit too obsessed.  so i spent my whole
winter break talking about ig, and when i went back to school i must say
that my mind was not off of indigo girls.  for instance....yesterday in
english we were talking about the poet john donne and our english teacher
said that he talked about love and god a lot.  so there i am, thinking,
like john donne, "god, i love indigo girls!"  and then i went to euro
history and we were reading these boring documents that we were supposed
to be writing an essay with and one of them mentioned an indigo field, so
that just made sure that i was totally unproductive for the rest of the
period...i was drawing little ig doodles next to the word!  i need help!
how can i deal?  i need more ig!!!!!!  anyhoo, this is late but a lot of
people asked...about the new years version of love's recovery that my
friend and i did for our girlfriends...it went fabulously well and they
both liked it, so the mission was accomplished!  and anybody (jill) that
knows my sucky singing and guitar abilities can appreciate this feat even
more!! :)  at any rate, thanks for letting me share....uh, i agree about
the sexual components of ig concerts...very much there....just like that
visible energy around amy! :)  ok, that's it from me...back to lurking.

love,
carolyn!

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hi folks!
i have few comments to make on some of the song discussions that are going on on
the list at the moment...
to pushing the needle too far:
somebody asked what the line about the queen means and who the queen is;

(now, i met the queen and i understand
why she closed the door
i'm not making excuses
but i've been there a few times
i was knocking on the door)

that verse has always reminded me of an emily dickinson poem, "the soul selects
her own society." the first verse is:

the soul selects her own society
then--shuts the door--
to her divine majority
present no more

i know the indigo girls often make allusions to famous poems, and i think amy may
be referring to this one. as to the meaning of the allusion, i'm slightly
puzzled. the song is about southern families (1200 curfews introduction)
so i think ar is just saying that sometimes family members shut themselves off
from their relatives and don't let anybody know anything about them...

to airplane:
i think maybe some people are missing the point of the song here...
to me airplane is about fame and success and their pressures on es. she says she
would rather be in her hometown than up on an airplane. maybe she wishes the
privacy, peacefulness and restfullness of a small-town life.

thanks for reading all this...

-- markus

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>as a new member, i am amazed at how much time is spent
> discussing the girls' personal lives and obscure references, and how
> little time is spent discussing music.  isn't that what they're all
> about?  i consider myself a huge fan, but primarily because of their
> music.  is it that there is nothing left to discuss about music, or are
> all the people on this list stuck in "worship" mode and have forgotten
> how to appreciate and admire amy and emily for all they've accomplished,
> all the beautiful words and music they've contributed?

has it occured to you that the music has already been discussed by many
members of the list, and that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be discussed
any further, it is just up to you as a new member  to bring it up and
people will be happy to discuss it!
and further more, i think it is quite clear from recent discussions of
libm, ptntf, and fugitive that the members of this list have a very clear
appreciation of ig's music and while their personal lives may be brought up
in conjunction with these discussions it is because their music is very
personal! okay...........

kc1

"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
              this world was meant for me.  don't bury me. carry me.

~ a. ray

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your while."

~ e. sailers

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> date: tuesday, january 06, 1998 12:31 pm

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when are the grammys????  our girls better win for best contemp folk
album!  they better!  go a and e!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

:-) karen

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now you all know i absolutely love the indigo girls, but i can't help but
wonder how they'll stack up to bob dylan's album. i've never heard it and
do not consider myself a critic of his music. i would like to know what you
think about how they'll do at the grammy's (i know it may be hard to keep
an unbiased opinion, but please try!). thanks so much.

                                                                christy :)


at 06:36 pm 1/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>when are the grammys????  our girls better win for best contemp folk
>album!  they better!  go a and e!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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>:-) karen
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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 18:43:39 -0800
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subject:      nyc concert

hello everyone,

just wanted to give every one an update on the nyc concert.  i just
talked to someone from virginia slams and they have narrowed the concert
down to the month of april.  the specific date is still in the air, but
at least we now know the month.  that's it for now!

if anyone has any further questions, feel free to write me directly and i
can try to get back to you.

holly

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 18:46:36 -0800
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subject:      airplane!!

just wanted to put in my two cents worth about airplane.  i could never
figure out why no one really liked that song, since i always considered
it to be one of their more creative songs.  the harmonies are so great.
i'm referring more to the parts that the roches sing.  they do such an
awesome job at providing these really tight harmonies that i think would
be very difficult to sing.

anyway, that's it!

holly

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 18:51:19 -0800
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subject:      grammy awards

i think that although i hope that ig will win in their category, bob
dylan will go home with the award.  i mean, look at who we're dealing
with in terms of the voters.  bob dylan's cd is considered one of teh
greatest come backs of the year.  you know how the press loves that kind
of stuff and i think that will be reflected in the outcome of the awards.
i totally pisses me off, b/c i love ig but i think that in reality it's
a popularity contest.

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hey guys!

        i've been out of town for about three weeks, and when i came back
home, there were no ig list messages in my mail...  i'm thinking maybe i got
kicked off because my mailbox was rejecting all the overflow of mail that was
coming in?  well anyway, point is i'm back now, and i want back on the list...
but it's been quite a while since i first subscribed, and i kind of forget
how.  can anybody send me the info?

thanks!
lisa

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 19:04:41 -0500
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>>when are the grammys????  our girls better win for best contemp folk
>>album!

february 25th on cbs.  do you all think that they will broadcast the part
of the show where they give out best contemporary folk album?  there are a
zillion categories, and i know they usually just show the "popular"
categories.

cheryl t.
cheryl@discover-net.net

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 19:07:53 -0500
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i was just wondering about something; it seems like everyone is saying that
they know how much everyone else hates this song, but that they love it.  i
personally like the song a lot, and i was just curious as to why people
think that the rest of the list doesn't like it.  maybe i'm missing
something because i'm new to the list, but it seems like everyone likes it!
        ~panda!
                -max

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 19:21:44 -0500
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it's not on the widely released boot of 1990 - i remember someone telling me
it was a second encore or something - it was '90 because i had a strong
desire for an audience tape after hearing the cd.
mike r.

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 19:33:30 est
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yahooey someone else likes gretchen phillips...

don't ya just love 2 nice girl's "queer song"
i'm take you to queer bars, i'm gonna drive you in queer cars...blah blah...

anyway..here is the address for her site...


http://monsterbit.com/gretchen/gretchen.html

no tour info but ya can probably e mail them or get on the snail mail list or
something...


heather

i know i know...no indigo girl content...i heard ya the first 10 times   :)

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hey all, sorry to waste bandwidth but:


jude, michael, and bethany: your tapes went out today.
  to the other patient souls:
  your tapes will be out within a couple of days.

if it is any consolation, i am an idiot and never finished listening to the
entire tape.  i did get the entire show.  so, y'all will be getting the
complete bloomington show!

thanks for your patience and my sincerest apologies,
carrie

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date:         tue, 6 jan 1998 20:06:26 -0500
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subject:      re airplane

markus wrote:
>>
i think maybe some people are missing the point of the song here...
to me airplane is about fame and success and their pressures on es. she says
she
would rather be in her hometown than up on an airplane. maybe she wishes the
privacy, peacefulness and restfullness of a small-town life.
<<
that's an interesting interp., one i had never thought of. but i really do
think  the song is mainly about a genuine fear of flying. that fear comes up
in at least one other emily tune, of course...galileo. the lines about fear
of motion and someone else (herself in another life is the allusion, i think)
maybe crashing their  airplane in another life and now she has this fear.

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in a message dated 98-01-06 19:17:21 est,       panda@spacelab.net (max beckler)
wrote:

<< i was just wondering about something; it seems like everyone is saying that
they know how much everyone else hates this song, but that they love it.  i
personally like the song a lot, and i was just curious as to why people
think that the rest of the list doesn't like it.  maybe i'm missing
something because i'm new to the list, but it seems like everyone likes it!
>>

there was some ig survey on the list that said airplane was one of the least
favorite songs.

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i know that "the wood song" may be easy to understand for the rest of you,
but i can not, for the life of me, figure out what the song is about. i got
pictures of the ocean or a lake with all emily's friends and her on a boat.
i personally think it's one of her most beautiful songs. can anyone help?

amy. yes, one more question. i was watching the lilith fair thing on vh-1
about the girls and saw amy talking with lisa loeb about something smelling
like barbie dolls. amy seemed unusually tall next to lisa. could it be that
lisa is just petite or is amy really that tall? does anyone know which ig
is taller? thanks for your help.
                                                        christy :)

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in a message dated 98-01-05 14:47:35 est, mclark@ultrix.ramapo.edu wrote:

<< i can't believe how serious this bumper sticker thing has gotten.  now
everyone's arguing over whether amy and emily would want to be president?
c'mon! this is a joke.  it's for fun. >>

rotflmao!

it's funny the way threads go.  i'm actually not interested in a bumper
sticker
at all, but i don't know how a comment about amy ray for president turned
into an international debate!  it's interesting reading, though.

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hey y'all!

for those of you who may pay any attention to me (that would be zero
persons, i hope), you know i like to post my reviews late.  i like to let
the concert experience sink in.  then i like to write hellaciously long
reviews.  well, this time, this post is also so very late because of a
yucky, busy semester, which is now finally over and done.  and since the
list is in a slow period,(not all the students are back yet) i figure it
wouldn't be too bad to post my long review. so, here goes with my *long*
post... you've been warned. :)  btw, this concert was november 15th...

ok.  dayton.  drove from pittsburgh, stopped off in columbus for a few
hours, got to the show at @7:00pm (after driving through a pitch-black
sky white-directly-into-my-windshield-snow-storm for 15 mins of that
columbus to dayton part).  waited...waited...antsy...met kirby...(hi!)...
listened to danielle howle.  great performer!  just got a daemon catalogue
in the mail and am gonna get an album of hers.  loved her on-stage
presence.  "cooky" is cool in my book.  i loved the comment she made about
wishing she was a monkey and swingin' her microphone as if it was a tail,
i was practically rotfl...break...

ig!  am' and em' walk out on stage.  i jump up and down (how darn
infantile, i know) b/c "amy's wearing blue pants!!!!"  i'm soooo happy not
to see those putrid black ones...but that's just me and my personal
evilness...  i don't even particularly like tuib, but i'm havin' a blast,
lovin' every moment of it!  (i hadn't seen ig in 3 months and 3 days, boo
hoo for me!  although having been having the worst semester of my career,
it seems, it seemed much longer...)

then three hits and galileo, a couple of reliable standards from each of
the girls.  i could be wrong, but i think these two have been played at
all 9 shows i've been to in the past 3 yrs...  not bad in and of itself,
not at all.  but, as much as i love the studio version of galileo, i
dislike its performance, to no fault of the girls, of course, i just wish
i could hear *them* sing it, anyway... three hits is a fabulous song and i
enjoyed hearing it again. i love jerry's drum part right before the
chorus...

next, land of canaan, great song!  i got all excited and ready to "jam,"
which for me in the audience (of course!) translates to planning to
"boogie down!"  yet, i immediately noticed that this song was majorly
slowed down.  interesting.  anyone else notice?  you had to!  whatdya
think?  has this been happening at other concerts?  my idea about
the tempo change was that maybe amy was preserving her energy for later in
the show to use on another song like dgtgag, which is cool and
understandable...

next, everything in its own time... a beautiful song, i love the ending
where emily sings the "ooooh-ooooh-ooooh, ooooh-ooooh-ooooh" part, its so
beautiful (forgot my thesarus, i guess, but beautiful is such a good
word).  before i saw it performed i was thoroughly bewildered about how
anyone could make such a beautiful noise. :) first seeing it performed, i
thought there was some kind of echo thing going on, but after several
concerts i've decided that it is just emily and her amazing voice.
anyone got any thoughts?

then, shed your skin, fabulous, fabulous, fabulous...  of course.  i miss
ulali doin' their part, but the drum loop has a little bit of the
"breathing" part in it, which i enjoy and appreciate hearing.

get out the map, then, such a fun, cute song.  i had a thought which hit
me sometime early in the concert "wouldn't it be interesting to hear each
girl sing the other's part in whatever songs?"  during this song, as well
as several others, this thought was inspired as well as maintained, as i
throughly enjoyed watching amy repeatedly step back from the mike and sing
emily's parts during, what else, emliy's parts.  i think that's so cute.
i would be so interested in hearing amy sings em's parts in her range.

an example of this that i know of actually comes from this song.  back in
february of 96, while emily was still doing gotm solo, emily (of course)
sang the line "i must say around some corner i can sense a resting place"
now, we all know, amy sings it now, and isn't it just beautiful.  amy
sometimes only gets a line or two in emily songs (like y&mot10000w with
"is there ever anything else that makes us take our different sides," and
in po2 with "and the steel bars..." for two examples) but she does so much
with them, unh, exsquisite (i cannot spell that...)!!!  not that em sings
her lines "bad," it's just that whole amy-and-emily-are-different-people-
with-different-styles thing, which y'all know about (i would hope!)...

*then*!!!  pushin' the needle too far!!!  oh my god, this was beautiful!!!
i enjoyed this song sooooo immensely.  nis is my favorite album, from
which both my near all-time favorite (you know how favorites like to
chang on ya!) em and am songs come (watershed and world falls, if you must
know :) ), and besides i'd *never* before heard a song from nis *yet* in
all the previous 8 ig concerts i'd been to (slightly small wonder since
i've only seen them since '94, but anyway...)!  this was the most
emotionally and physically draining song for me to watch being
performed.  granted, i've seen dgtgag once, cio a few times, etc., but
this song (for reasons mentioned) just about killed me, because it
thrilled me so much!!  for some reason, i could only listen to this song
while straining my neck upwards.  i don't know why.  it hurt after a
while.  and i tried to stop, but my body said, "keep that head up."
weird.  the song just coursed through me...  it was so fabulous...

and if that wasn't enough, then they immediately cruised into redemption
song(s?) after ptntf was over.  what a beautiful combination.  i needed a
break, not to mention amy(!), i'm sure.  and what a beautiful song, sung
so (yes) beauuuuutifully by amy!  i love when amy sings "ballads."  i
realize this song isn't really a "ballad," but it's got that same feel.
as much as i love amy thrashing on a song like cut it out, and squeezing
out those breath-taking high notes, i just adore amy singing sweet, soft
ballads... two examples which immediately come to mind are chiapas bound
and  you left it up to me, mmmmmm, beautiful!

next were ghost and chickenman.  ghost is a beautiful emily song.  i know
y'all know this, i've seen sherlyn's fan surveys!  but, again, i think
this was the first time i've seen it performed.  which was wonderful for
me, because it was the song which initiated my emily epiphany about two
years ago (the time when i allowed myself to realize, "hey, ig *is* more
than amy ray, emily is damn fabulous herself," i was moved that day in a
way i hadn't been before, gaining much due respect for em...)  and, ah!,
c-man.  what a wonderful song.  this song has been performed at every show
i've been at.  and to my delight, as i unfortunately didn't really get to
enjoy it at the last ig show i was at due to an argumentative person
talking about "space rights," it was not pretty...  my most vivid memory
of this song, has to be the first time i ever saw it performed, when they
first started playing i thought to myself, "why would they ever play this
song, what's so cool about it?" then about half way through, based on
amy's enthusiasm i thought "well, it must be cool, because they sure seem
to like it!"  since then i have learned to appreciate it for my own
reasons...  oops!  sorry to have gotten off track! :(  sorry...  where was
i?...

ok, next was it's alright, a song i'm not too terribly fond of, don't
dislike it, just some songs don't do *a lot* for me, this one just does a
moderate amount... anyway, i was digging it this night!  ever since ptntf
i was havin' a hard time tryin' to keep from kickin' over my chair.

then came leeds, oh how i needed it.  needed to rest.  my neck hurt bad,
and i was exhausted from all the excitement!  in a wonderful and
appreciated way, of course.  this song was so beautiful.  i sat down,
leaned my head down, and listened to emily and her angelic voice.  i was
so wonderfully soothed.  it was great.  just what i needed.  thanks emily!

next up, scooter boys, and i'm ready!  one of the things that i thought
was really cool at this concert that i hadn't noticed so much at previous
concerts was amy's extensive use of hand motions.  she was digging them
that night.  especially in this song too.  very cute.  very nice.  great
song, of course.

slow it down with least complicated. again, surprisingly i was very into
this song.  it's a great song, and i love it, but get very annoyed by the
mass of voices which always accompanies its performance.  oh well.  i
live.  this night especially, i was so into the concert, i was singing
along as well... what a fun song.

last song before encore, shame on you.  this song has really changed from
its studio feel, at least to me.  it's not as "poppy" as i had felt from
the studio version.  it's more "jammy," i love the opening "riffs" (i know
that's the wrong word, but i humor myself), they're so alive!

encore, 1st song, thin line!  oh god do i love this song!  so fabulous!  i
often wonder how such a great song could be written by someone who is not
amy or emily, but i stop myself and just accept it :)  otherwise there
wouldn't be such a studpendous cover!  oh, what a beautiful way to open an
encore!

then! then! then! romeo and juliet!  ah!  ah! ahmygoodness!  i had read
posts saying that it is being played again, and was so shocked but
happily surprised.  i knew it also wasn't being played at all concerts.
so i didn't get my hopes up.  i just let it be a lingering thought in the
back of my mind.  i had basically accepted it wasn't going to be played by
this time, since i know some encores only have two songs.  i was ok.  but
when i saw it was just amy on the stage, i just about crapped my pants!
(hey, bethany!)  not really, i just was very excited.  it was so surreal.
i saw r&j performed!  since my first concert, i had gotten used to the
idea that i would never see it.  i feel so special, in a non-cheesy way.
i was slightly annoyed that everyone felt so compelled to sing along with
every word...  but i can understand that, and expected it...  what i liked
was that amy seemed prepared.  she didn't copy all the nuances of the
album version.  she sang it how she felt like singing it.  which, while
much the same, was different in one very cool way... i loved how she sang
it in a soft, breathy, quiet, strained kind-a-way, not extremely emotive
and no holds barred like the album version.  different in a very good way.
i greatly enjoyed that.  still can't believe i saw that song performed.  i
don't even love it as much as i used to, but it's the song, you just gotta
see it!  it has its own mythology, ya know!

last but not least, closer to fine!  i never understand why people applaud
and scream so enthusiastically  when everyone recognizes its opening
chords.  i'm like "it's the end guys!"  why are you *happy* about
this!?!?! i realize not everyone is aware of this, and many people are
just acknowledging their appreciation and enjoyment of the song.  but
everyone seems so overzealous at its recognition.  i just don't get it...
*nonetheless,* i did enjoy it.  i always try to let this song not end, but
usually just slowly accept that my fun is coming to an end.  it's hard,
but i manage. :)

all in all, a fabulous concert!  much worth the 6+ hour trip.  oh, i
don't remember when exactly, but there was a few times during the show
when i was so riled up that i was *stomping the floor* with my right
foot as if i were at a hoe down or something.  i don't know why i was
doing that.  i kept thinking how much of a fool i must look like, but i
couldn't stop!  nonetheless, for me the concert was an excellent boost
keeping me going to the end of the semester!  much needed and much
appreciated (just like this post, huh?)

well, if you've made it this far, congratulations!  either you hate me, or
you find me oddly amusing...  thanks for the interest.  thanks for your
time.  have a nice week! :)

peace, melissa

-my life is more than a vision-e.s.

-got to learn to respect what we don't un,derstand -a.r.

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hi all!
does anyone know how to go about submitting a demo tape to daemon records?
how about a contact person or phone number?
help!
~~robin

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it's funny that a sham of a ceremony like the grammies - which in 1989
awarded best new artist to milli vanilli instead of ig - still instills a
sense of righteousness in all of us.  "they gotta win!" which would prove
what?  that was a rather strange list of contemporary folk recordings
anyway. (ok, so bob dylan will win, aided by daniel lanois' eery
production, just like emmylou harris won recently, aided by daniel lanois'
eery production, just like u2 won ten years ago, aided by daniel lanois
eery production...is there a pattern here?)
they wouldn't know a contemporary folk recording if it hit em on the head.
so i'm chanting "lose lose lose" do not join the ranks of the vanilli!

mc
ps - isn't it also kind of funny when people on the list start arguing
about how democrats are better than republicans and vice versa?  as if
they don't *both* blow chunks?

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i was talking to a guy who works for a small newspaper in arkansas.  he told me he did a review of a show--just two lesbian singers and their guitars (ring a bell?).  they were supposed to be great.  they are called the neon girls.  their real names are christy simpson and joan driscoll.  has anyone ever heard of them or know anything at all about their music?

toye

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my brother has a friend who makes foil sculptures....mostly sports
personalities...but...
he made one of prince, went to a show to get it signed and prince bought the
sculpture. then my brother tells me how he made one of rosie o...she is buying
hers too and asked him if he would like to be on the show.
i was kidding around with my brother saying how ig sculptures would be
cool...his friend, however, was very interested in actually making the
sculptures. i dubbed ppv for him.....
my brother walked in tonight with foil ig scultpures. i laughed at first, i
couldn't believe he actually made them. they are in the exact outfits they
wore at the ppv show. emily has all her rings and her bracelet. amy...1 sleeve
rolled up, 1 down....little white patch on her black martin where the paint
used to be :)
it's amazing to think these are completely made out of foil.
anyways......i just had to share my interesting gift. i'm gonna try to get a
picture scanned of the sculptures over the next few days...if anyone wants to
check it out, let me know.
grl

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hey y'all. i dont know where this is going but i want to chat about indigo
girls. i cant figure out how to get to the chat rooms. if nyone gets this
please let me know how.

                                                              thanks y'all,
                                                                         kris

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        thanks anne for posting the nomination of sots -- good news to me!!
however, the competition looks seriously difficult :o

at 11:11 am 1/6/98 -0500, anne haines wrote:
>grammy nominations were announced this morning, and hooray! shaming of the
>sun has been nominated for best contemporary folk album. other nominees in
>the category included guy clark, iris dement, bob dylan, and john prine.

        imho any one of these artists could easily win.  there'll all great!
iris dement is spectacular.  clark, dylan and prine are all legends.  but
the indigo's are most deserving of public recognition for their raw musical
talent...doncha think?? ;)

da poultryman doo little all day~~

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out of all the times i have seen a&e i have not seen them perform romeo and
juliet...is it too much to ask?

have seen them all over texas, va, dc, pa...

i wanna hear romeo and juliet...


jealous jealous jealous

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well, i just saw a clip promoting tomorrow's episode of ellen, and ig and
sarah are shown for a split second (hey, it's better than nothing!) i am
looking forward to tomorrow's episode (i've been excited since i heard it
was being taped--yea!!)

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like many here i'm very happy sots got nominated.  i can't say i really
care whether they win.  i'm not a big fan of setting up artificial
competitions between works of art (even assuming the judges were
reasonably informed - a whole nother problem).

hugh barroll

p.s. i'm also glad to see mr. dylan get some nominations.  time out of
mind is a solid piece of work.

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the nomination they got today for shaming of the sun is
the 7th nomination they've received.  they won in the
contemporary folk category in 1989.

i have one issue of curve with amy and emily on
the cover left, who wants it?

sonny bono co-wrote a song called needles
and pins that was a hit in 1964 for the searchers.
i can't get this song out of my head...strange
what happens when someone dies on your birthday.

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>does anyone have a boot of the april 12th, 1996 athens, oh concert?  if not,
>how about any boot w/ ig singing "it won't take long" w/ ferron?  i don't
have
>anything to trade but i'll reimburse postage and a blank tape.>
(that was me...)

<<hey molly, it's from '95 :) i was there, and it was great...>>
(that was lorie...)

oh lordy, lordy, is it 1998 already?? hee hee. i'm a little lost.  thanks!
the concept of time just eludes me you know!!!  thanks for the correction,
lorie.  maybe that's why i haven't found anyone w/ said boot.  anyway, i was
there, too.  it was my birthday and amy's birthday and elvis was there and i
was there... what more could i want???  ok, so if anyone has the april 12th,
*1995* boot, myself and lorie@one.net are greatly interested.  (or any tape w/
ferron singing it won't take long w/ the girls)
thanks again!
molly o+

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that's loried@one.net
(from re: athens oh boot)

molly o+ (already weary from 2 days of statistics... it will only get worse!!)

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i don't think they do r&j live do they? or is it provisionally like midnight
train?

~jenny

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can anyone enlighten me on what sots is, i don't follow the tv/movie buiz.
thanx!

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does anyone have a boot of either show from red rocks this summer? i was
at both and would love to have something to listen to while i remember
the show in my head.. thanks!
                        jason (a list "re-subscriber")

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give me that sucker!!!!!!!!!!!  :)  seriously, i'm really interested!!!

bcmassga@bluffton.edu
my address is:

shannon mast
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although i am 100% straight--really--i have to admit that i think amy and
emily are both extremely cute, although i can't say i want to jump either
of them, unlike a good friend of mine -winkwink

has anyone noticed that everyone's lusting after amy and no one seems to
give a thought to em??  i think emily has extraordinarily beautiful eyes...

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i actually have always thought the harmonies by the ellen james society
sounded pretty screechy--i don't know if i'd admit that i can hit those
notes in such a fashone (hee hee--bethany!!!!)

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i think ig kick enough heinie to hold their own.

has anyone ever noticed how much amy sounds like good ol' bob dyl-hole on
r&j??  she's so cute

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is anyone besides me in the dark on this one???????

if anyone has a copy of this "lesbians vs. dykes" thing, please forward the
thing to me, cause i'm in the dark!

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please forgive me for being ignorant, but have the igs ever been nominated or
won a grammy before?  if so, for which song or cd?

thanks for the info, in advance!
linda
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>has anyone noticed that everyone's lusting after amy and no one seems to
give a thought to em??  i think emily has extraordinarily beautiful
eyes...<

oh...that is very untrue.  i am lusting after emily!  emily is my dream
goddess!  :)

-kendra

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i dont find the grammys to me all that interesting or even a barometer for
good music, but i like to be up on my ig trivia
  now i know they won in 90 for best cont/folk album, but didn't they win
one other grammy, and have they ever been nominated and not won.  they did
lose best new artist/kiss of death to milli vanilli in 1990, but were there
any others?
  and another question, when they won their grammy's, were they present to
accept them?  and do they get two of them, one for amy one for emily? if
not i wonder who keeps them?  i can't imagine they are real into awards,
but it is an honor i suppose.

just trying to find some new ig trivia?!?

wow my typing goes to hell this time ofnight...exactly
good night all!

kc1

"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
              this world was meant for me.  don't bury me. carry me.

~ a. ray

"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
your while."

~ e. sailers

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this song has always confused me too.  the whole "two by two" thing always
makes me think of noah and the ark, but i think it's kinda obvious that
that's not what the song is about.

if you consider the lyrics, it seems she's talking about her journey
through life and the trials that come with it, and trying to find the
courage to deal with everything--and also that the ultimate reward is
heaven at the end (dear god that sounds preachy!).  "but what it takes to
cross the great divide seems more than all the courage i can muster up
inside.  but we get to have some answers when we reach the other side--the
prize is always worth the rocky ride!"

but what the hell do i know?  i'm dying to hear other people's opinions
about this!!


by the way, i heard somewhere that amy wrote "secure yourself" as a kind of
ode to her dying cat.  anyone heard anything about this?!

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they do r&j live. i saw them (amy) do it at the orpheum in boston this past
december. so don't give up hope   :)
                                                     -kristin

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i just wanted to add my 2 (look, i did it...woo hoo! thanks for the help!)
about the semi-recent dayton show.

first of all, i wanted to add that this concert was much better atmosphere-
wise than the june dayton concert. the girls seemed a little more with it and
excited about playing; at the june concert they dragged, like they were tired.

secondly, they opened with "tangled up in blue" which i adore. i never thought
i would hear them do that live, so i was getting down with my bad self on that
song. they played a great mix of oldies and sots which made me quite happy.

what else did i want to add....oh yeah. on "leeds", i swear i heard other
people adding in the ulali part - i know i was, just out of habit! also, there
was no "guest" soloist on "closer to fine" for the last verse, and the girls
appeared to be lost while they looked around for someone to sing it, and then
were like, oh, hey, let the audience sing it. so we did, heartily.

hey, if anyone went to the june concert here in dayton at the fraze, tell me
who in the hell was that lucky girl they plucked out of the audience to sing
the last verse of "closer to fine!"

i can't think now...i had a bunch of things to add to the already wonderful
review...oh well.

kasey

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hello all-
been awhile since i posted- let's see if i can remember how to do this :)


>this song has always confused me too.  the whole "two by two" thing always
>makes me think of noah and the ark, but i think it's kinda obvious that
>that's not what the song is about.
>

oh! i think that it is:  i think noah's ark is a great metaphor for what
you describe below.  this song is one of my favorites (first recognizable
one to come out of my guitar :).
but back to the point... being a passenger on the ark: being on a journey
through life.
and to be completely irrelevant- i always think of the wood worm in _a
history of the world in 10 and 1/2 chapters_ - anyone else?

-anne hill

>if you consider the lyrics, it seems she's talking about her journey
>through life and the trials that come with it, and trying to find the
>courage to deal with everything--and also that the ultimate reward is
>heaven at the end (dear god that sounds preachy!).  "but what it takes to
>cross the great divide seems more than all the courage i can muster up
>inside.  but we get to have some answers when we reach the other side--the
>prize is always worth the rocky ride!"
>

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 00:23:12 -0600
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max beckler[smtp:panda@spacelab.net] wrote:

>i was just wondering about something; it seems like everyone is saying that
>they know how much everyone else hates this song, but that they love it.  i
>personally like the song a lot, and i was just curious as to why people
>think that the rest of the list doesn't like it.  maybe i'm missing
>something because i'm new to the list, but it seems like everyone likes it!

you have to admit, it has a very different sound to it compared to any other ig song.  not that we fans aren't used to ig's creativity in trying different styles, but this one was so different it, and it took me a while to get used to it.  now, i like it as much as any other ig song.

barb

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>>as a new member, i am amazed at how much time is spent
>> discussing the girls' personal lives and obscure references, and how
>> little time is spent discussing music.  isn't that what they're all
>> about?

>has it occured to you that the music has already been discussed by many
>members of the list, and that doesn't mean it doesn't need to be discussed
>any further, it is just up to you as a new member  to bring it up and
>people will be happy to discuss it!...........

er... what she _meant_ to say was, just wait a few more days, something music-related will get started.  i've been on the list for 6 weeks, & it's kind of a roller coaster.  i just delete the fluff that i don't care to read, & dig into the good stuff when it happens.  there have been some really good, insightful discussions lately, really!  patience, my friend...


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i was just reading a dar williams article/interview on creative loafing's
website, in which dar mentions the girls in connection with her lilith fair
experience.  here's the excerpt:

>williams was particularly impressed by sarah mclachlan and the indigo
>girls, artists who believe in sharing their good fortune with others.

>"sarah mclachlan and the indigo girls are two entities in everything
>they've done," she explains. "throughout their career, they've always
>kind of looked out for other people. that's the way they orient
>themselves to the world. it's not just 'how am i furthering my career?'
>but 'how does this connect with the environment? how does this make
>other women feel?' joan baez does this, too. when you have power and you
>know you have power, in some way you share it. that's what i see with
>sarah and that's what the indigo girls are really known for."


creative loafing's url is   http://www.cln.com/newsstand/current/amusic.htm

maureen

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 01:35:02 -0500
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i did a whole thing on this and have sent it to the list like 5 times and
have since erased it but  the great ddivide i think shes talking about
death and the courage to face it  where after you die u think you will get
your answeres to al yoru questions  also the part that says sometimes i
stop to take a closer look skip to the final chapter of the book i think
pertians to seening psychics or tarot cards trying to look at the future


on wed, 7 jan 1998, sweets wrote:

> this song has always confused me too.  the whole "two by two" thing always
> makes me think of noah and the ark, but i think it's kinda obvious that
> that's not what the song is about.
>
> if you consider the lyrics, it seems she's talking about her journey
> through life and the trials that come with it, and trying to find the
> courage to deal with everything--and also that the ultimate reward is
> heaven at the end (dear god that sounds preachy!).  "but what it takes to
> cross the great divide seems more than all the courage i can muster up
> inside.  but we get to have some answers when we reach the other side--the
> prize is always worth the rocky ride!"
>
> but what the hell do i know?  i'm dying to hear other people's opinions
> about this!!
>
>
> by the way, i heard somewhere that amy wrote "secure yourself" as a kind of
> ode to her dying cat.  anyone heard anything about this?!
>
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does someone have any of these because i know witin the last 2 months i
posted my interpitation of the wood song and deleted it thinking i
wouildnt need it again as i had posted it like 5 times to the list and
dint think this converstaion wuold come up again or if you have a copy of
it can u resend it to the list ofr me or send it back to me

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 00:13:50 -0600
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subject:      nigc - ani on pbs

hey y'all,

a friend at work alerted me to the fact that i just
missed ani difranco on a pbs show within the
last few days.  i really don't know which show he
was talking about, but he said it had a good
half-hour of her in concert.  if someone taped
this and can help me out with a copy, please
e-mail me and we'll work out a trade.  thanks.

lisa s.

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 00:27:29 -0600
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subject:      ig rubber stamps

just a reminder that ig rubber stamps are
still being offered for sale and can be viewed at:

http://members.aol.com/melaniekrs/igstamp.html

this web site includes all pertinent ordering info
for three rubber stamp designs.
any additional questions can be directed to
melanie, the rubber stamp maker, at:

melaniekrs@aol.com

melanie owns a professional rubber stamp business,
but is making little or no profit from this project.   this
project is not endorsed by this list, but the sale
is geared toward list members.

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 00:22:04 -0600
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subject:      stamps/shirts/stickers

hey again y'all,

stamps/shirts/stickers

i just got back on the list after being in no-mail mode
for about two weeks to find out we're again in heated
discussion concerning list merchandise.  i remember
it wasn't too long ago i came back from my indigohio
road-trip all gung-ho about list shirts.  although not a
bad idea and certainly an idea that got a lot of support,
it didn't get off the ground as expected.  too much
talk and no action.  the way i see it, if a person really
wants to put forth the effort, the best thing to do is
to think it through to decide what is appropriate to
put on a list shirt or bumper sticker, considering
copyrights, and then just go and do it.  then offer it.
if it is a good design and respectful of the girls,
people will want it.  too much talk, debating, and/or
voting will, more often than not, lead to arguring,
wasted energy and time, and probably a loss of
good ideas and worse yet, a loss of desire to do
such a project.  whoever feels adamant about
doing a list project should design it, lay it out, and
present it to the list.  the only way to get such a
thing done is to just get it done.   whether it is a shirt
or a bumper sticker project, the designer will obviously
get a lot of support.

the last i heard of my move for a list shirt project
was that ben and deb reiser got a design going and
deb was going to lay it out.  i know deb got sick (which
i'm very sad to hear).  so, i'm not sure where this
project is/was going.  i, myself, took hold of the stamp
project.  melanie from the dar list helped me design
some ig rubber stamps.  i know she was taking orders
for the stamps.  i know of people on this list who ordered
some (there are three different designs), and they are
happy with them.   if you still are curious about the stamps,
and/or want to order, you can see the stamps at:

http://members.aol.com/melaniekrs/igstamp.html

melanie has a rubber stamp business, so she is a
professional at this.  any questions can be directed to
her.  she's got her addy and phone number at this web
site, along with all pertinent info about ordering.

lisa s. (the ia one)

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 00:11:02 -0600
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subject:      atlanta/nyeve
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              melsouth1@hotmail.com, donrich@neo.lrun.com

hi folks!

back from hotlanta (where it really does snow!)

just got back from hotlanta not too long ago and had to
throw myself back into the drudgery of the daily work
routine.  good thing the music still surrounds me every
day at work or depression would surely set in.  i have
lots of music to listen to to fill the void......i picked
up 20 cds in atlanta, including some ig boots and sonia's
(from disappear fear) new 1998 release "almost
chocolate" before it is even officially released.  i was
threatened numerous times by my travel companions
that it could get hijacked if i didn't keep an eye on it.
you see, i was the first person to fall upon this treasure
in a used cd store in atlanta while we were all browsing
together.  it was a promo copy that probably was sold
to the store by a radio station.  the store guys said "oops,
how'd that get in there?" but they sold it to me anyway.
for all of you anxiously awaiting sonia's new album, you
have a treat in store for you.  it's pretty darn good!

thanks to my fellow indigohians/indigatlantans!
what a party!

a big thanks goes out to lynda, don, peg, twink, barb,
melsouth, and lisa d who were all great folks to be with
in atlanta.  the nye party with mm was awesome!
great shows!  eddie's attic is a wonderful venue....
intimate, respectful of the artists (no talking allowed
during performances), great food, great juke box....one
we all dream of - stocked full of ig and related atlanta artists...,
a wonderful daily lineup of live music, friendly bartenders
who got to know us well by the week's end and ventured
out with us for a night on the town,.....eddie is
a great guy himself....he did everything he could to make
our experience there as fun and convenient as he could
all week long.  the party was just rockin' overall.  a very
crowded house, complete with horns, streamers, balloons,
and those cute little tiaras.  this was by far the best
nye party i've ever been to.  great friends, great music,
great place!

hey, isn't that.........?!

famous atlanta artists and artists who are friends and
colleagues of the atlanta music scene surrounded us at
eddie's nye party.....adding to the wonder of mm were amy,
emily (okay, so emily didn't actually show her face from
behind the bar, but she was there), sonia from disappear
fear, michael lorant from big fish ensemble who was
mm's percussionist for the show, sheila doyle who played
violin for mm, chris mcguire from ellen james society,
and members of lift.  surely there were more.  it
was a veritable atlanta music celebration, and i feel
priviledged to have been witness to it.  of course, several
of these people were part of the audience and were there
for their own nye enjoyment.  besides amy, who seemed
to get mobbed a bit by well-wishers, friends, and autograph
getters, no one was really bothered by the crowd.  amy was
certainly a real trooper.  she talked or signed for everyone
who approached her.  she played three songs, full of
spunk, with mm, sheila, and michael.  i love her enthusiasm
and desire to support her fellow altanta colleagues.  i wish
emily had the same spunk that night, but i'll take and enjoy
what i can get.   :)

go, no...run.... to eddie's!!!

as i said above, eddie's is a wonderful music venue!
on three other nights, we were able to check out several
other atlanta acts, several unknown to us, a few very
well known.  highlights were cowboy envy, a three-women
"country" group in cowgirl garb with dede
vogt as "too short", one of their vocalists/guitarists.
they had swingin', oftentimes funny, songs full of sweet
sounding harmonies.  i'm not much of a country fan, but
this was way too cute to pass up.  on ny day, we were
fortunate to see a women's organization benefit show
with a large lineup of acts, including uncle mark reynolds,
who is quite a name in the atlanta scene, and way best of
all.....caroline aiken, one of my favorite atlanta-bred artists.
she is amazing!!!!  get her cds if you can!  we also
saw shawn mullins and matthew kahler, both great, to
round out the night.  if i ever move to atlanta, i'd imagine
that eddie would be seeing me almost every day.

one more try for gayla

i got to pass off some more cds of gayla drake paul
on amy and eddie at the nye show.  eddie said
he'd play them sometimes between shows.  (we heard
lots of familiar between-show folk music, including our
very own dar williams!  :)  he also said he'd be
interested in having gayla grace his venue if she was
ever in town.  as far as amy goes, i pretty much
waited til amy walked past me and said, "amy, this
is for you...it's another gayla drake paul cd."  i got
"cool, thanks!" as she took it from me and scurried after
her entourage.  later on after the show when she
was sitting with her friends at a table, looking at the
cd insert and saying something to michael lorant
about it, i leaned in as i walked past and said "that
is a really cool cd.  if you like it and contacted gayla,
she'd really appreciate it."  of course i sounded like
a dork, and i got another "cool, thanks."  i left it at that.
lisa d, the woman who knows about this kinda stuff,
said amy doesn't really talk to fans and people she
doesn't know when out on the town with her friends.
obviously, this is understandable.  but i put forth a
small effort, and i wasn't pushy.  that would be the
last thing i'd wanna be!  similarly, i certainly wouldn't
bug amy for an autograph, but i did get a mm pick and
the set list from the second show to round out the night.
in case anyone's interested, here's mm's set-list for
the second nye show at eddie's attic, as the songs
were listed:

gathering - drums/violin
famiglia - all
magdalene - solo
learn to cry - violin/bk vox
all i can give you - drums/bass/flute
long way down - drums/bass
grace - bass/drums
edge - solo
blue suede - solo
green thumb - bass/drums
biscuit - bass/drums/sax
green - bass/drums/violin
black bag - drums
new ex - drums
teen - drums/violin
horses/powderfinger -

the last three were graced with amy's presence onstage!!!
amy jammed and looked like she was having a helluva lot of
fun.  at one point, she even pushed her guitar to her side
and joined michael lorant on the drums for a bit.  what a
sight to see!

one of the best things to see was how good michelle looked.
she was peppy and seemed happy.  i do believe that this
show was good for her to do to get back into the swing
of things.  i hope it didn't tire her out too much, as she is
recovering from her surgery.  she seemed well up to it.

well, it's getting late and i still have to take down the ol'
x-mas tree and clean up the rest of my mess from the
trip.  thanks for staying with me!

lisa s.  (the one from cedar rapids, ia, not to be
confused with the legendary lisa d, the hostess with
the mostest from atlanta)

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 02:06:58 -0500
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subject:      wood song

this is one of my favorite ig songs.

in the broadest sense, i think this is a song about faith.

if you believe the story of noah, there's no denying that noah had to have a
lot of faith to build the damn ark and round up all those animals and set
sail.
i mean on paper, the idea sounds kinda crazy, right?

but he had faith so he did it.

i think the song  is also about trusting in a higher power or the universe or
whatever your "god" is. she makes references to a plan made by  a greater
hand and a greater kind of love.

i've always seen this as kind of a zen song. it's about a philosophy that
looks at life's troubles as tests and learning experience and not as negative
"bad things".............for example, the lyric "if the weather holds, i'd
have missed the point. that's where i need to go." it's through the strife
and the challenges and the tests that the true answers to the mystery of life
evolves...

i think the song also admits faith is one thing that's hard to come by (sound
familiar) when it talks about sneaking a peak at the last chapter of the
book. it's easier to have faith when you know the passage will turn out
swell, but it's futile -- even if you found a damn good tarot card reader :)
-- because again, you'd be missing the point

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i think that the wood song is all about dealing with changes and journeys or
"crossings" in life, particularly having to do with relationships (two by two,
with our hearts the only tool that can be used on the journey).  if the
relationship or journey goes smoothly, with few obstacles (the weather holds),
then we may seem to get to where we're going, but probably miss the most
important and satisfying aspect (the point), which is the ability to overcome
life's obstacles (storms) together, learn from the experience, and strengthen
and deepen the relationship as a result.  the thought of taking the chance to
make changes or face fears or open ourselves to a relationship (crossing the
great divide) can seem like a huge risk or even an impossible task (more than
all the courage i can muster up inside), but unless that chance is taken, you
can never know what reward, happiness and fulfillment (answers, prizes) can
possibly be had.  seeing into the future (skipping to the final chapter of the
book) in an attempt to avoid some of the obstacles and tough times on the road
ahead (steer us clear of some of the pain) is just a futile wish, because
that's just not how life works...not even the bystanders (just holding on for
the ride) are exempt from pain...but to get to "the point", we need to set out
on the journey, not just be bystanders.

maureen

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hello! i have been lurking on this list for three days, and i have enjoyed
the discussions of songs like ptntf, airplane, and wood song. this is
exactly why i joined this list...to hear others' thoughts about the songs
that mean so much to me. it's late and i am tired; but i was just
lying in bed listening to 1200 curfews on my walkman and thinking
about wood song, having just read the latest posts; when i decided that i
had to let you all know how much i am already enjoying this list.

i am a first-year student at mount holyoke college in south hadley, ma.
incidentally the indigo girls did a concert here last spring; i missed
them by a year, darn it!

i look forward to reading more insights on songs on this list.
good night!
-amanda

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i just wanted to comment on the wood song...hence, my subject line (i
always keep ya' guessing!) ;o
ummmmm, i don't have any new interpretations to offer - i agree with all
of 'em...that's what's so great about indigo girls songs.  they have a
lotta different meanings for a lotta different people - it's a really
beautiful thing to know that everyone can get a little something out of
an amy & emily tune (i always seem to get a lot...maybe too much
sometimes!).
anyhoo...my happenin' friend shan has joined the list so everybody say
hello to the big hobag known as "sweets, the short message poster."
yeah, we sing "the wood song" together all the time during our "indigo
girls sessions" (she's that infamous "singing partner" i keep
mentioning! she'll be joining my arse for "our" slot on the listee cover
tape - wooo hooo!) and it's become one of our favorites...(so yeah, this
is really just another "i.g. moment"). our favorite line..."just holdin'
on for the ride.." it makes our guts hurt in this totally indescribable
way.  it's awesome....
not much substance to this post now that i look back...i know you still
love me anyhoo...
thanks for listening - oh how ironic, what's that i hear playing in the
background?! could it be, "the wood song?!" i think so.....as swamp
ophelia goes around for the 4th time this evening....i really need to
get outta this chair...

night night everyone!
bethany ;)

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 03:45:39 -0500
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hey!

i'm back and as the subject line suggests, i'm working on all those blanks y'all
sent me for the new york and ann arbor shows.  i wanted to make sure that
everyone knew about the delay (i left my originals here in michigan when i left
in december), and assure you all that i am gonna get these things out of my damn
apartment and into the mail to you within a week if i can. i'm also still doing
the missoula hte and fargo shows for some folks.  i swear i think i got and sent
out more mail this past month than i have in my entire life!  i'm getting good
at it though.  but due to either postal or individual delays, i'm still getting
stuff in the mail at my mom's house.  stop sending me stuff there please!!!  if
you don't send things first class (unless i'm mistaken) my mom can't get them
forwarded and she or i have to *pay* to have them shipped to me here.  not fair.
so please if you want to send me something i'll be happy to help you with your
request, but just e-mail me first and i'll give you the right address.  okay?
north dakota...bad, michigan...good.

what else?  oh, i'm glad you all are enjoying the photos.  for those of you who
have seen them, i had a t-shirt made of the green tinted shot of amy with her
guitar and her head turned to the side.  isn't that the best grin you've ever
seen?  hey, does anyone know if it's a violation of copyright to put a photo of
the girls on a t-shirt if it doesn't say indigo girls or isn't a copyrighted
image (since i took it myself quite legally and without flash..yay!)?  just
wondering.  i'm not planning on selling it though.  it is a marivel original.
one of a kind.  i can't wait to wear it and see if anyone asks me who the heck
the passionate woman on my chest is.

okay, i guess that's it.  oh, since i got back to ann arbor tonight i stopped by
borders and as i knew i would, i found at least a dozen beautiful copies of the
indigo curve cover.  good ol' ann arbor.  but you know what?  on my last day in
fargo i actually found one lonely copy at a barnes and noble that had originally
told me they didn't even carry curve.  will wonders never cease?  maybe it isn't
such a big dark closet after all...but i'm probably wrong about that one.  okay
this is too long.  i'm done.  take care all and thanks for your patience...

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hey all!

you know, just to sound ingrateful, sometimes life is not fair.  alright, that
having been said, i just wanted to feel out how much interest there might be in
the handful of california ig tickets i now have in my posession but will not be
able to use.  i have the following single seats:

1 for arlington theatre, santa barbara
      thursday january 29 at 8pm
      the seat i have for this one is center orchestra, 7th row, seat 10 which
      ends up being slightly towards emily's side in the middle section.
      $35.50

1 for universal ampitheatre, los angeles
      friday january 30 at 8:15pm
      the seat is section 7, row jj which translates to 10th row in
      the inner circle of seats on amy's side.
      $40.20

and last but not least the big painful one...

1 for rimac arena/ucsd campus
      sunday february 1st at 8pm
      the seat i have for this one is second row (see why it hurts so much???)
      it is flr 2 which is amy's half of the main floor and the seat is right
      in the center that section.
      $30.60

so there you have it.  you could very well be 1 person (not counting security
personel of course) away from ms. ray.  this ticket better go to a good home!
sigh.  i have another one coming too.  sacramento on the 28th of january (a
wednesday i guess).  i'll announce that one when i get it.  oh, in case you're
wondering, i'm only asking for what i paid for these tickets.  sniff sniff.  the
california dream is dead.  i'm still praying for san fransisco, but if a certain
deb de canada doesn't write me back soon that one is gonna be headed for the
graveyard as well (hint hint).  i guess that's it.  i don't wanna send this.
but i will.  somebody write me and take these tickets please.  it would be even
awfuller (hee!) to miss out on all these shows and be poor at the same time.
anybody???

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hey kind friends-
   hope everyone's having a happy new year thus far.

i haven't heard any of the other nominated albums and probably haven't
listened to too much that has ever been noiminated for best contemporary
folk album so i don't know what defines the category but i've gotta at
least say hmm...  is that really what sots is?  contemporary folk?  i am
of course happy to see ig nominated and since they were never gonna be
recognized in the best pop album category, better here than not at all i
suppose.

but i don't know.  i guess the grammy folks are constantly placing artists
and music into categories i wouldn't really agree with, it's just this one
i've stopped to dwell on a bit. just because an artist has produced a
certain type of work in the past doesn't mean that all subsequent work by
that artist should be placed in the same category.  without surveying the
rest of the field and without having any kind of definition for the term,
i'm willing to accept that sf, ig, and nis were all contemporary folk
albums.  i could probably be pretty easily pursuaded that rop was as well,
and maybe even so though it would take a bit more convincing.  (though
thinking about it now, the only glaring exception i can think of on so is
touch me fall - and that is not just a "hey those are electric guitars -
this can't be folk anymore" thing!)

but now, sots, i'm simply not sold.  sure it's got folky monents (hkf -
sure, gotm - ok) but does the album as a whole belong under the category
contemporary folk?  sys?  caramia? cio?

someone else please share your thoughts on this.  sots- contemporary
folk or not?  and just what is this contemporary folk stuff anyway?

by the way, while i must reiterate that i haven't even heard any of the
other nominees, even so, i'd be willing to place some money on dylan to
win.  they love living legends.  dylan's one.  plus he was sick this year
and almost died so there's that whole come back factor, throw in all the
family hooplah raised by the media's treatment of the wallflowers' success
and dylan is an absolute sentimental favorite right now.


                      -colleen

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as mary/mc wrote...

>>>>(ok, so bob dylan will win, aided by daniel lanois' eery production,
just like emmylou harris won recently, aided by daniel lanois' eery
production, just like u2 won ten years ago, aided by daniel lanois eery
production...is there a pattern here?)<<<<<<<

is it my faulty memory or was there an interview where a & e mention,
when asked about self-producing, that they had tried to get daniel
lanois and it didn't work out (perhaps even he turned them down, for
whatever reason).

anyone? anyone?

melissa

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> i'm willing to accept that sf, ig, and nis were all contemporary
folk...
> but now, sots, i'm simply not sold.  sure it's got folky monents
(hkf -
> sure, gotm - ok) but does the album as a whole belong under the
category
> contemporary folk?  sys?  caramia? cio?

i am so with you on this..i was so surprised when the nomination came
out.the only bit of folk i heard was in dgtgag,eiiot,hkf and some gotm
maybe.even then ig 'folk music' has become so diverse.they dont even
consider themselves folk,but rather rock or folk rock i think they
said once.much less then half the album is acoustic guitar.if i
thought so was a departure, this was almost a complete rift.dar
williams is folk,ig was also,but i wouldnt say that sots was truly a
folk album,unless the definition has really stretched or shed its skin
since ig.
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>>i actually have always thought the harmonies by the ellen james society
>>sounded pretty screechy--i don't know if i'd admit that i can hit those
><snip>
>
>i believe the harmonies on airplane were provided by the roches.
>
>my $.03 on airplane. i have always liked this song. i think it has great
>imagery. of course, i am terrified of flying so i totally identify with the
>message of the song. in the past i have heard folks say they don't like the
>harmonies because they are "screechy". i think that's the point. the
>intervals in the harmonies are unusual and create a lot of tension in the
>listener. the song is about being uneasy about flying, the unusual harmonies
>help to create a feeling of tension in unease in the listener. i think it's
>pretty cool.
>
>oh, concerning the grammies. don't hold your breath for ig to win. dylan is
>most likely going to walk with the best contemporary folk category and quite
>possibly album of the year. his new album is really great and is garnering
>accolades from critics and artists in the music industry.
>
>peace,
>
>dan perkins
>austin, texas
>
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yes ig did mention wanting to work with daniel lanois. which, imho would have
made an interesting collaboration. i think the girls said he was just
unavailable at the time, but i'd wager he was too far up mr. dylan's butt to
answer the phone. (just my opinion ;o)  oh well, mr. lanois missed out either
way.
~riz

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january 8
sparkle@primenet.com (pamela shaw)
happy 28th, pamela!

january 9
jlucero@mail.monmouth.com (jen lucero)
happy birthday, jen!

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to me, it always seemed that the grammy awards went to whomever was the
most popular, and not necessarily the best musically.  bob dylan is a
classic, although not much of a singer.  my guess is that he has a better
chance than the girls because he's been more visible for a longer period
of time.  but then again, i could be wrong.

anna

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yes! thanks, maureen, i was trying to figure out why all the "faith" and
"higher power" interpretations weren't sitting right with me (other than
the fact that i have an aversion to releigion), and you managed to put all
my thoughts about my favourite ig song into words. which is nice, because
i'm not that strong a typer.  or typist. whatever.

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i think that the wood song is all about dealing with changes
and journeys or
"crossings" in life, particularly having to do with
relationships (two by two,
with our hearts the only tool that can be used on the journey).
if the
relationship or journey goes smoothly, with few obstacles (the
weather holds),
then we may seem to get to where we're going, but probably miss
the most
important and satisfying aspect (the point), which is the
ability to overcome
life's obstacles (storms) together, learn from the experience,
and strengthen
and deepen the relationship as a result.  the thought of taking
the chance to
make changes or face fears or open ourselves to a relationship
(crossing the
great divide) can seem like a huge risk or even an impossible
task (more than
all the courage i can muster up inside), but unless that chance
is taken, you
can never know what reward, happiness and fulfillment (answers,
prizes) can
possibly be had.  seeing into the future (skipping to the final
chapter of the
book) in an attempt to avoid some of the obstacles and tough
times on the road
ahead (steer us clear of some of the pain) is just a futile
wish, because
that's just not how life works...not even the bystanders (just
holding on for
the ride) are exempt from pain...but to get to "the point", we
need to set out
on the journey, not just be bystanders.
maureen
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no...no way is *anyone*  *ever* going to get this boot ;(  better you should
ask for the newport '95 show for ferron's "it won't take long")...trying to
get the athens, oh birthday tape is an exercise in frutility....been there.

jude :)

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>-----original message-----
>from:  chickensoprano [smtp:creechal@emu.edu]
>sent:  wednesday, january 07, 1998 8:25 am
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject:       grammy
>
>to me, it always seemed that the grammy awards went to whomever was the
>most popular, and not necessarily the best musically.  bob dylan is a
>classic, although not much of a singer.  my guess is that he has a better
>chance than the girls because he's been more visible for a longer period
>of time.  but then again, i could be wrong.
>
>anna
>
>
>
>hi all,
>
>i don't think that the grammy awards are necessarily about popularity, else
>the stinking spice girls would have been nominated
>for something. after all they are certainly "popular", but then perhaps the
>folks at the grammys learned their lesson regarding
>fabricated "artists" with milli vannilli.
>
>granted dylan's voice is somewhat of an acquired taste, but he is still one
>of the best songwriters around and his latest album
>is very, very good. my guess is that dylan will win, partly because he is an
>icon in folk/rock music, partly because he has been
>ill, but mostly becuase this is a very good album.
>
>peace,
>dan

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 09:47:02 -0500
reply-to:     juliet <js_carri@alcor.concordia.ca>
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this is the last thing i have to say, anyway this b.s. situation already
made us type way too much.
since i live in canada, ray/saliers 2000 was kind of odd for me...
but i have found out that
emily/amy :voices for a new millenium
would look really nice everywhere i can  stick it...
i think it would simply show that i support them and that i agree with the
message they have for us... which is my point.
so whatever happens to this whole story, i am going to make my own b.s.
...i already started to cover my note books with these words...

july, still working hard at turning everything indigo

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 10:17:49 -0500
reply-to:     mary clark <mclark@ultrix.ramapo.edu>
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phil ochs said that folk music is music that doesn't get played on the
radio.  (public radio notwithstanding)
        i've also found it useful to consider whether a performer
currently or historically plays folk festivals.
        considering these two criteria, sots is ig's least folky album.
(soy's been played on the radio on mainstream stations, and ig skipped
newport this year) but they're considered folk because of their past
albums, making the nomination appropriate as far as the grammies are
concerned.
        bob dylan, however, hasn't been "folk" in about twenty years.
mc

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 09:17:33 -0600
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i have a question...what songs can a radio station play? are they only allowed to play songs that were released as singles? or is there a time limit, such that say 2 years after an album has been released they are free to play anything off of it? i ask because the radio station in town only occasionally plays ig and only plays gotm and soy, and don't seem to have their other music. what is the deal here? and what can one do to make other music available to them?

also, about grammy's, bob dylan's new cd is very good. but i hope he wins in some of the other categories he is nominated for and that the girls get this one. at the very least i hope the camera man gets lots of shots of them in the audience. did anybody see them the last time they were nominated? were they in their regular clothes? sorry for the shallow question but i can just see amy and emily in overalls and torn jeans among all the tuxedo-ed and gown-ed crowd!

okay so i had more than one question. sorry :)

urvashi

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 10:27:57 -0500
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when i was at home for the holidays, i contacted people about boots and
sent out several tapes. however
i mostly contacted people through my aol account (indigodar@aol.com).  but
i don't have access to that here at school.  so, if i (karen r.) set
something up with you, and you need to get in contact with me, please use
either of these addresses:

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu       or       s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu

thanks so much and sorry to waste the space!

:-) karen

ps- i can't wait for ellen tonight!!!!!!!!!

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 10:24:05 -0500
reply-to:     lanie bittner <ebittner@targetsite.com>
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hey kind friends,

i'm not currently on the list, but i was wondering if anyone has a boot
of the dec. 14th boston show.  if so, please email me directly, i'm
dying to get a copy.

thanks!  :-)
lanie

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hey guys! i was at gist checking out tonights listing and looky what i
stumbled across:

http://www.gist.com/tv/picks/index.dpg?genre=comedy&number=1

it is a small pic of ellen singing with emily! kewl!!


heathera

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 12:13:59 est
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yeah, it's a known fact that more women lust after amy.  she's the "dark and
handsome" one....and that voice....oy vey ;)  but i totally admire emily for
her abilities in the group.  i think she's very attractive.  i believe in
equal opportunity....heheh....so "emily, you're the hottest! no,
amy...*you're* the hottest! no...you both are equally hot!" lol

take it easy, ig listerz ~ miz*

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 12:54:28 -0400
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a'ight...with all o' the talk happenin' lately i couldn't resist!
i think that amy & emily are each incredibly sexy and adorable in their
own way....they're both beautiful women, and that be the truth cuz even
my mammy says so! :)  she shared  that with me after finding my "curve"
magazine out on the coffeetable yesterday (since i've been in college
mom's become a much more accepting individual, so seeing a "lesbian
magazine" in our living room doesn't even phase her anymore :)- although
amy is my type o' woman, i can still see the beauty in both of 'em.....
i'm attracted to the amster's passion and emotion (like the rest of the
freakin' free world!) cuz that's pretty much the way i've always lived
*my* life -  but you can't beat emily's sweetness...heh heh...
it's a tough world we live in when you've gotta choose your favorite
indigo girl :)  those who've talked with me (you know who you are, all
you peoples!) know my personal preference but for now, let's just say
that they *both* kick ass. :)  they're both hunks.

-bethany :)

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 13:13:42 -0500
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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there have been a *lot* of posts recently which could, and should, have
been sent privately if folks bothered to maintain addresses themselves
instead of using the list as their own personal broadcaster.  i understand
that sometimes people (including myself) lose track of the occasional
address or piece of e-mail, and that a post to the list is necessary to
communicate to a single party.  i don't understand why the list has become
a vehicle for sending information to a tiny group of people when the sender
should have created a mailing list using the tools at their disposal to
communicate with groups in some kind of trade.

i post 2 messages for my tape trees -- one requesting branches and another
announcing leaf assignments.  all intermediate communications are done via
a simple eudora mailing list which i set up for that purpose.  i don't know
of an e-mail package out there that doesn't provide this kind of service in
one way or the other, so *please* make use of it -- it'll take you less
time to learn how to use your mailer than the collective time we all waste
wading through "sorry for the bandwidth" posts.

thanks.

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 12:28:43 -0600
reply-to:     kc1 <casey@rea-alp.com>
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thought i'd post my thoughts on ig radio play to the list as well

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> from: kc1 <casey@rea-alp.com>
> to: dr. urvashi pitre <u.pitre@tcu.edu>
> subject: re: song copyrights-sigc
> date: wednesday, january 07, 1998 12:26 pm
>
first of all i haven't received any answers to my
> ig grammy trivia, but i will let you know when i have, i may repost my
q's
> as well.
>    and as for radio stations playing only those two ig songs....well, i
> work in radio, and i used to be a program director...it has nothing at
all
> to do with copyrights or time gone by.  radio stations generally have a
> very strict playlist, sometimes as few as 40 songs, it is never the dj's
> fault, please don't blame them (i am one!)  if you really want to make
> suggestions call the radio stations business line and ask to speak to the
> program or music director, know this probably won't get you any results
> either, but if you state your case well, ya never know.
>      but radio stations are usually bound by the whims of culture (ha!),
> and rarely cater to what one group of fans wants to hear!  money usually
> determines what type of music a station plays, and beyond that it's up to
> one individual, the pd or md, what tunes get played!
>    hopes this helps !
>
> kc1
>
> "everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
>               this world was meant for me.  don't bury me. carry me.
>

>  ~ a. ray
>
> "when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is
worth
> your while."
>

> ~ e. sailers
>
>
>
> ----------
> > from: dr. urvashi pitre <u.pitre@tcu.edu>
> > to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> > subject: song copyrights-sigc
> > date: wednesday, january 07, 1998 9:17 am
> >
> > i have a question...what songs can a radio station play? are they only
> allowed to play songs that were released as singles? or is there a time
> limit, such that say 2 years after an album has been released they are
free
> to play anything off of it? i ask because the radio station in town only
> occasionally plays ig and only plays gotm and soy, and don't seem to have
> their other music. what is the deal here? and what can one do to make
other
> music available to them?
> >
> > also, about grammy's, bob dylan's new cd is very good. but i hope he
wins
> in some of the other categories he is nominated for and that the girls
get
> this one. at the very least i hope the camera man gets lots of shots of
> them in the audience. did anybody see them the last time they were
> nominated? were they in their regular clothes? sorry for the shallow
> question but i can just see amy and emily in overalls and torn jeans
among
> all the tuxedo-ed and gown-ed crowd!
> >
> > okay so i had more than one question. sorry :)
> >
> > urvashi
> >
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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 12:41:18 -0600
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hey y'all-

i just went to blockbuster music and found a stack of 2 nice girls tapes
for 99 cents each.  the tape is "like a version" and has 6 songs on it.  if
you want a copy, let me know and we can work something out.  also, last
time i went to barnes & noble (yesterday) there were several copies of
curve left, so if you still need one let me know.

peace,
mandi

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 13:37:37 -0400
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well, miss carrie (hey there friend!) reminded me last night how much i
love to hear amy bustin' out with "carry me away."  while she works hard
to figger' it out on her pie-aner...(yeah...that's piano.), i'm going to
take another route and ask if any of you kind souls have figured it out
on your guitars.  i can't just "figure stuff out..." so i'm depending on
the rest of you, and hoping that *you* have. :)  so yeah, if anyone has
guitar tab to that tune, i'd love to have it.  i'll send you a boot or
somethin' in return... whatever you'd like - i'm being to called to sing
this song though, and i'll do whatever i can to accomplish it. :)
while i'm at it....has anyone ever transcribed "wysteria" or "dancing
shoes?" those are a couple other favorites that i'd really like to
learn....i know they didn't write those last two, but even with that
knowledge i *still* can't find the tab.  :(  i'd appreciate any help!
thank ya' much....

-bethany :)

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::arg::

can the next person who hasn't heard bob's latest album but chooses to make a
nasty comment about it anyway because you assume he's going to beat the girls
please bite their tongue?

thank you <g>


  i love the girls as much as the rest of you, but ole bob deserves this one,
try givin' his new album a listen before slammin' it.

grace

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 10:56:52 -0800
reply-to:     lori saeki <liltree@yahoo.com>
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hello all!  i am new to this list and i must say that i am in awe of
all of your enthusiasm.  imagine my surprise when, after sending out
the little subscription request thingy friday afternoon, i walk in
monday morning to find 200 new messages in my inbox from this one list
alone.  (yes, i read most of them.  okay, skimmed.)

anyway, i am also a very new ig fan, and although i had heard of them
for years, i had not heard any of their somgs until this september or
so.  (guess i'm listening to all the wrong radio stations.)  well,
when i bought strange fire this weekend, i had the nagging feeling
that i had heard crazy game before.  but this could not be, i had
never heard an ig song before setember, it's not the type of music the
stupid radio stations around here would play.  so, i hate to ask a
stupid question, but this thing is annoying the heck out of me.  has
this song been on the soundtrack of some movie?  has it been performed
by some other band?  used in a commercial or something?  or *gasp*
maybe there is another song by another artist out there that is veeery
similar but not identical?  or am i just starting to hear things?
hmmmmmm  maybe i could get some help from all you dedicated,
enthusiastic fans out there whose lives were enlightened by the sweet
sounds of indigo waaaaaaaaaaaaaay before mine?

thanks y'all
lori ann (crawling out from under her rock to say hello world)

btw i am an absolute idiot when it comes to music.  what the heck is a
bazooki?  is it a relative of the bazooka?

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 13:21:09 -0600
reply-to:     deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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howdy ho my ig pals :)

i just wanted to drop a note to the list in order to say "thank you" for
all the get well emails and cards and special gifts (score!;) that i
received while i was in the hospital and then home recouperating. during
the years i've been on this list i have seen personalities and opinions
clash, crash and burn more times than i care to remember, but those times
certainly seem to get balanced out, and actually passed up, by the
tremendous acts of kindness that this group can pull off. i am touched that
i was the recipient of the latter.

anyway, i returned to work on monday and signed back on the list yesterday.
right away i noticed quite a few new names and quite a few similar topics
-- somethings never seem to change. i'm still not feeling 100% so i'll stay
out of the fray at least for a few days ;) but one word to the new folks --
please read those damn awesome ig faqs.

that's about it for now. once again thanks for all the kind words and
prayers. they really helped me get through what was just about the worse
weeks of my life.

deb

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 11:15:04 -0800
reply-to:     jill frankel <jefrankel@ucdavis.edu>
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hello out there...i'm delurking to find out if there's anyone out there
going to the show in sac on 1/28.  or if anyone has actually been to the
memorial auditorium.  i'm sure it will be great - it'll be my first show
since august of 1994!!

jill : )
jefrankel@ucdavis.edu

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 13:24:10 -0500
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i am kind of surprised by the opinions on this list. bob dylan is one of
the pioneers of folk. whoever said(i don't remember who it was)that dylan
hasn't been folk in about 20 should take a longer listen to "time out of
mind." imho, it's really a return to his folky, bluesy roots- and it's a
beautiful album.

personally, sots is my least favorite ig album- partly because i haven't
had time to let it grow on me yet, but mainly because i am, at heart, a
real folky,and their departure from folk, while looked upon as wonderful by
many, is kind of a disappointment to me.

i will be thrilled if either dylan or the girls win. but if dylan wins, i
think it has less to do with his existence as a modern music legend than
with the fact that his album is a beautiful work of folk music.

just my $.02.

sari

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 14:50:51 est
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dear fellow listees:

     i still have a few extra copies left of the january '98 curve magazine
with ig on the cover. if you want one- email me privately.

~peace and all things indigo~leah

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 14:48:27 -0500
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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at 12:09 am 1/7/98  , chxnman wrote:
>i don't think they do r&j live do they? or is it provisionally like midnight
>train?

they've been doing it regularly over the last few months.

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at 04:28 am 1/7/98  , cec8@cornell.edu wrote:
>i haven't heard any of the other nominated albums and probably haven't
>listened to too much that has ever been noiminated for best contemporary
>folk album so i don't know what defines the category but i've gotta at
>least say hmm...  is that really what sots is?  contemporary folk?

i'm kind of surprised, but not too.  it's true that sots is hard to
classify, but it's almost certainly somewhere between comtemporary folk and
rock.  i would guess that asked to split the difference, it was just easier
to put them back in the category they started in.

otoh, ani is similarly difficult to pigeon-hole, but she ended up with a
nomination for best female rock performance.  i suspect ig would have ended
up in rock too except for their past nominations in the contemporary folk
category, and the fact that they wouldn't fit with the acts normally
nominated for the rock albums category, which includes hard rock and metal
acts (this year: aerosmith, john fogerty, foo fighters, rolling stones, u2).

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reply-to:     christine evans <ladyarwen@mailcity.com>
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urvashi <u.pitre@tcu.edu> asked:

>what songs can a radio station play?

legally?  they are allowed to play *anything* which has
been (1) publicly released or (2) supplied to them as a
promotional release from the artist's management.

every song played at the station must be logged by the
dj, and the logs are used to determine airplay credits,
which helps determine the income payed to artists.
most songs are registered with agencies (such as bmi
or ascap) which collect airplay statistics, and these
stats are included in the formulas record labels use to
determine payment to artists.

>are they only allowed to play songs that were
>released as singles?

the singles are often the only songs *available* to the
station (unless they go out and buy their own copies of
the cd) since the artist's label usually sends singles
for promo purposes.

>or is there a time limit, such that say 2 years after
>an album has been released they are free to play
>anything off of it?

they are legally allowed to play any public release by
the artist, but two other constraints affect what a
radio station plays:
(1) most stations purchase much of their music from
    'compilation' services ('hitdisk' is the brand
    with which i'm most familiar) which compile hits
    from many genres as compilations.  this allows the
    station to play hits without purchasing each cd
    on which the hit appeared.  these compilations are
    diverse - i've seen the likes of clint black and
    aerosmith on the same hitdisk cd.
(2) almost every station has a list of 'approved' songs
    (called 'the book') which can be played.  dj's who
    play something not in 'the book' risk firing.  the
    list of approved songs can be decided by the owner,
    the music director, or the program director. many
    stations subscribe to the services of 'consultants'
    who tell them what songs should be in 'the book'.
    every station has its own policies regarding which
    songs are permitted, but *none* of the lists i've
    seen have ever made 'sense' to me.  it's the sad
    state of modern committee-think in corporate media

>i ask because the radio station in town only
>occasionally plays ig and only plays gotm and soy,
>and don't seem to have their other music. what is
>the deal here?

those may be the only ig songs in their library, or they may be the only songs listed
in 'the book'.

>and what can one do to make other music available

in my experience, the answer is usually 'very little'.
you can try requesting songs (by phone and letter),
but i've rarely seen a station's playlist change
after receiving a few requests from fans.  if you have
a good late-night dj who answers the studio phone, you
might try asking her/him what the ig-music policy is.
if you're going to make requests, it might pay to find
the name of the station's program director or music
director and write to them directly.  ask your friends
to do the same. it may help.

chris

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i'm just a message-posting maniac, what can i say?!
i'm looking for more tab....i should have added these to my earlier
requests, but didn't think about them at the time.  i just heard
"lifeblood" & "falling star" and realized that i wanna learn those too.
if anyone has either of these (or knows where i might find them!)please
contact me, and i'll be your friend for life.
oh yeah!  don't forget to watch ellen tonight...i was just reminded and
thought i'd pass that one along...thanks heather!

a'ight...i promise this is my last post o' the day.
bethany :)

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speaking of "emily people"...the other day i re-watched the may 2 tape of ig
on rosie o.  after "shame on you", rosie went right up to emily (past amy) &
kissed her on the cheek.  pretty bold if ya ask me...or maybe not..i
dunno...i like my personal space, myself.  then again, it's rosie :))

ps no, sorry, i don't have any way to copy it  : (

>>has anyone noticed that everyone's lusting after amy and no one seems to
>give a thought to em??  i think emily has extraordinarily beautiful
>eyes...<
>
>oh...that is very untrue.  i am lusting after emily!  emily is my dream
>goddess!  :)

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there was a bit from the 'ellen' episode on cnn's 'showbiz today'
(1/7/98). it shows her singing some of ctf with the igs as well as kidding
around with sarah maclachlan. this bit is on about 20 minutes into the
program. it'll be rebroadcast after midnight (est), but i'm not sure of
the timeslot...anyone have that info? my local tv listing gets severely
abbreviated after midnight, so i couldn't be sure when it's being aired
again.


nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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can anyone help me find any available tab/chords for any songs off
shaming of the sun?  i already have "scooter boys" and dgtgag.

"shed your skin" and "it's alright" would be great.  i might do one or
both of these for the bethany cover tape (scooter is done) if i can find
some decent chords.

rob sticka
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someone mentioned a list meet for tonight's dar williams's concert in
atlanta. is it still going to happen? would someone please contact me and
let me know what's going on? thanks so much.

                                                        christy :)

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i read somewhere that 1200 curfews had a booklet that contained hand written
comments from a&e about the songs etc, is this correct as the copy i have
doesn't have this. if so any suggestions on where i can get a copy with the
booklet?

thanks

linda

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hey all
i'm in the midst of setting up a trade with someone to be the "seed" for the
lilith fair tree i proposed before the holidays.  now soon i'll need to give
her a list of "branches".  i have 3 so far.

this is an audio tape that i taped from videos: ig at lilith fair shakopee,
mn on one side and the cbc tv special "sarah and friends" with sarah, ig and
other artists, as well as interview stuff on the other side.  i added big
yellow taxi from the ppv and the punk band "sicko"s version of ctf as
filler.  it is all great quality imo.  i can send you the exact setlist if
you need it.

  if you are interested in being a branch (that means dubbing/trading for
how ever many "leaves" contact you - could be 5 or 6 people, could be way
more), and you are familiar with the whole tree system,  please let me know.

if you don't know what i'm talking about, or how the tree system works,
please don't email me know, just be patient and you'll get full instructions
when the tree is set up.
i'm just looking for experienced branches who can do a lot of dubbing right now.

thanks
lori

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>just a reminder that ig rubber stamps are
>still being offered for sale and can be viewed at:
>
>http://members.aol.com/melaniekrs/igstamp.html


i got my rubber stamps in the mail and they are great!! it took a little
while - but it was worth it!! buy yours today! =)
lori

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hi ya'll!
    can anyone be so kind as to tell me if the list is down? i haven't
gotten any mail for days now.  anyone out there know why this might be?
i would really appreciate some insight.   thanks in advance :)
virginia

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hey....yeah, mine has one.  i have the 1200 curfews with the hard double cd
cover.  but, i also know that the "paperback" cover has the booklet, too, as my
friend has the one with this cover.  your booklet must have been mistakenly left
out.....

--sharon

"it doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that takes you far"

--madonna
"in the war over land where the world began, prophecies say it's where the world
will end"
                                                                        --amy
ray
"we always did feel the same, we just saw it from a different point of view"
                                                                        --bob
dylan
"amy!!  i love you!!  will you marry me?"
                                                                        --sharon

linda kuill wrote:

> i read somewhere that 1200 curfews had a booklet that contained hand written
> comments from a&e about the songs etc, is this correct as the copy i have
> doesn't have this. if so any suggestions on where i can get a copy with the
> booklet?
>
> thanks
>
> linda
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i'm just wondering if the curve magazine is still out on the newsstand
or must i find someone with an extra copy....

take care,
sharon

"it doesn't matter who you are, it's what you do that takes you far"

--madonna
"in the war over land where the world began, prophecies say it's where
the world will end"

--amy ray
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--bob dylan
"amy!!  i love you!!  will you marry me?"

--sharon

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ok.  maybe i'm just pouting.  maybe i'm just trying to bug my husband (big
dylan fan).   but hasn't bob dylan had a gazillion years to win grammy's?
isn't it ig's turn now? i mean, the ig can actually sing and haven't been in
a drug induced haze for the last, like, 20 years! did anyone see him on
letterman's prime time special a few years back?  and didn't i see him on a
canadian award show where he couldn't even find the microphone/podium once
out on the stage? i mean geez.
ok, flame away.  i'm getting it from home anyway. =)
lori

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uh, great points, i gotta say, lori! however, i have to chime in at this
point..the grammy's don't favor who should win (hello, ani over meredith
anyday) but who sold it, who's the legacy and who's the critically
acclaimed...it just works that way with the big men...(so maybe meredith
should win over ani...)
  *shrug* just my $0.05
(i couldn't find pennies anywhere)
   amanda rae

lori macleod wrote:
> ok.  maybe i'm just pouting.  maybe i'm just trying to bug my husband (big
> dylan fan).   but hasn't bob dylan had a gazillion years to win grammy's?
> isn't it ig's turn now? i mean, the ig can actually sing and haven't been in
> a drug induced haze for the last, like, 20 years!

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dont say i dont send anything good to the list


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hiya happy subscribers!  the cd list guy offers you the latest cd list!!

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thanks for all who have participated in the auction thus far!  it's kinda
fun, and i figure that since i sell a lot of stuff way cheaper than other
cd sellers, i should occasionally get a good price for some of this rare
stuff!

two very different artists being auctioned this week:

0.00    indigo girls    get out the map  pr-pdk 1997 epic.  one track lp
version.  very nice promo digipak picture packaging.  comes with 1997/1998
  cd sized indigo girls calendar with lots of b&w pictures and significant
dates noted, i.e joni mitchell's birthday, release dates of all their
albums, etc.  includes brief comments by both girls on the new album.

0.00    living colour   glamour boys  pr-nb     1988 epic.  three tracks:
lp version, live version, and thirteen minute live version of "what's your
favourite colour?!"  cd is purple and lists tour dates for the "living
colour/rolling stones" tour!  rare item, just the cd, no paperwork.

minimum bid is always $8.00!

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a guy walked in off the street today and sold me a nias promo poster in
perfect condition.  i was so jazzed!  it's already up on my wall!

peace,


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lisa!!

can you mail me??  i don't think i sent you your boot!  :(

sorry to waste the bandwidth guys!!

btw, i'm back!!  ;)  (quit groaning......i can hear you!!)

peace-
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dylan will win because he had a brush with death last year -
sad but true (on both accounts).  the grammys are lame and i
would be willing to bet that a & e don't give a rats ass.

additionally, everyone knows who dylan is.

i think it would be interesting to see how the nominations
are arrived at.  could it be that ig were nominated in several catagories
because some still think of them as folk, and because of the split votes,
they don't make the cut (kind of like that dumb people magazine voting
thing on the net?  contemporary folk?  whatever.
"i'm not really like that."

bbertiaux@earthlink.net

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follks im not running the auction  write the guy whose email i included in
the post

on wed, 7 jan 1998, heather davis wrote:

> what is your highest bid for this? i'll bid higher!!
>
>                 -heather
>
> >0.00    indigo girls    get out the map  pr-pdk 1997 epic.  one track lp
> >version.  very nice promo digipak picture packaging.  comes with 1997/1998
> >  cd sized indigo girls calendar with lots of b&w pictures and significant
> >dates noted, i.e joni mitchell's birthday, release dates of all their
> >albums, etc.  includes brief comments by both girls on the new album.
>
>
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im sending this again im not running the auction write the email address
directly below for bidding

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 7 jan 1998 12:58:52 -0800 (pst)
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to: the cd list guy <searchme@earthlink.net>
subject: list date:  01/07/98   -part i

hiya happy subscribers!  the cd list guy offers you the latest cd list!!

///////////this week's auction///////////////////////////////////////

thanks for all who have participated in the auction thus far!  it's kinda
fun, and i figure that since i sell a lot of stuff way cheaper than other
cd sellers, i should occasionally get a good price for some of this rare
stuff!

two very different artists being auctioned this week:

0.00    indigo girls    get out the map  pr-pdk 1997 epic.  one track lp
version.  very nice promo digipak picture packaging.  comes with 1997/1998
  cd sized indigo girls calendar with lots of b&w pictures and significant
dates noted, i.e joni mitchell's birthday, release dates of all their
albums, etc.  includes brief comments by both girls on the new album.

0.00    living colour   glamour boys  pr-nb     1988 epic.  three tracks:
lp version, live version, and thirteen minute live version of "what's your
favourite colour?!"  cd is purple and lists tour dates for the "living
colour/rolling stones" tour!  rare item, just the cd, no paperwork.

minimum bid is always $8.00!

///////////this week's auction///////////////////////////////////////

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okay - how does one get this sort of thing?!?! i know i will never be able to
bid the highest, but i'm wondering how you (madonajk, whoever you are) get
ahold of this.  are there limited editions just floating around?  do record
stores get them? or what?

i know we'd all like to have stuff like this - or at least know how to get
it!!

<< > >0.00    indigo girls    get out the map  pr-pdk 1997 epic.  one track lp
> >version.  very nice promo digipak picture packaging.  comes with 1997/1998
> >  cd sized indigo girls calendar with lots of b&w pictures and significant
> >dates noted, i.e joni mitchell's birthday, release dates of all their
> >albums, etc.  includes brief comments by both girls on the new album. >>

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lori saeki wrote:

>btw i am an absolute idiot when it comes to music.  what the heck is a
bazooki?  is it a relative of the bazooka?


actually, the correct spelling is bouzouki, and my dictionary says it's a greek stringed instrument.

that being the only info i had on it, other than that peter o'toole of the hothouse flowers plays it, too, i did a web search & found out there's such a thing as an irish bouzouki, which i imagine would be what hhf uses, since they're from ireland.

one page had a picture, & it looks like a mandolin with a really long neck.  the greek one was similar, maybe not as long-necked, but much more ornate, w/inlaid stuff.

i don't know how it got misspelled on sots, since it was correct on rop (played by donal lunny on 3 hits & cedar tree) and so (played by es on mystery & reunion).  sorry, i'm just a stickler!

oh, and welcome to the list, lori!  :)

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as stated in the prevous letter write the guy whose email i included in
not runing it im just passing it along its the same guy who has the ig
concert videos i posted to the list a little while ago

on wed, 7 jan 1998, fauna88 wrote:

> okay - how does one get this sort of thing?!?! i know i will never be able to
> bid the highest, but i'm wondering how you (madonajk, whoever you are) get
> ahold of this.  are there limited editions just floating around?  do record
> stores get them? or what?
>
> i know we'd all like to have stuff like this - or at least know how to get
> it!!
>
> << > >0.00    indigo girls    get out the map  pr-pdk 1997 epic.  one track lp
>  > >version.  very nice promo digipak picture packaging.  comes with 1997/1998
>  > >  cd sized indigo girls calendar with lots of b&w pictures and significant
>  > >dates noted, i.e joni mitchell's birthday, release dates of all their
>  > >albums, etc.  includes brief comments by both girls on the new album. >>
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i have ani difranco's live double-cd set, living in clip, that i'd be willing to trade for an ig double-cd set of similar value, such as 4.5 (i paid $21).

any takers?

thanks,
barb

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on wed, 7 jan 1998, barbara l. basaj wrote:

> i have ani difranco's live double-cd set, living in clip, that i'd be willing to trade for an ig double-cd set of similar value, such as 4.5 (i paid $21).
> thanks,
> barb 4.5 is not a double cd

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subject:      daemon artists (nigc)

uh, i really want to get some stuff by daemon artists, but i can't seem
to find any store that carries them.  does anybody know if any chains do,
or if not where i can get it?  you can email me privately...probably not
everybody cares enough to read it! :)

oh, and to slip in some igc...ya know how i was saying that everything in
scholl reminds me of ig?  well, i was reading a chapter of my enviro book
(we have a test tomorrow and i had yet to read it) and within a couple of
pages these things were mentioned....guess what i thought of...lifeblood,
levees, watershed, and spokane.  just thought i'd share (as usual).

love,
carolyn

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let me be the first to say.....how disappointing!!!!!!!

~~robin

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>
>let me be the first to say.....how disappointing!!!!!!!
>
>~~robin


39 seconds is better than nothing!

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"showbiz today" is on at 12:30 est.  just in case you didn't know yet :)

beth

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atlmouse wrote:
>
> let me be the first to say.....how disappointing!!!!!!!
>
> ~~robin
>
yep, i gotta say, "right back atcha, babe!"  i mean, come on!  was that
supposed to be lilith?  sheesh!  (amy was wearing that shirt, though) at
least ellen got back with lori...that's all i gotta say.

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in a message dated 1/7/98 9:14:30 pm, atlmouse@aol.com wrote:

<<let me be the first to say.....how disappointing!!!!!!!>>

well, now, we knew it would be very brief, and it was otherwise a great
episode.

dee

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<<  let me be the first to say.....how disappointing!!!!!!!  >>

and let me be the first to second that... what a let-down - i was disappointed
and even frustrated.  of course amy and emily looked great, but they got so
little time and the whole situation looked so contrived...  the whole show was
pretty pathetic, imho.  but the saddest thing was about our girls. . . oh
well, i just love them more!

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in a message dated 98-01-07 22:14:53 est, atlmouse@aol.com writes:

<< let me be the first to say.....how disappointing!!!!!!!

~~robin >>


and let me be the second.

peace, harmony and indigo,

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did anyone watch ellen tonight? what did you think? i was a little
disappointed because i thought the focus of the show was going to be about
the "womyn fest" and ig and sarah rather than ellen's relationship. but it
was still good to see them , and ellen was still funny so i guess it's ok.
:)

just my opinion,
   ha, mourning over the loss of seinfeld.

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in a message dated 98-01-07 22:14:32 est, atlmouse@aol.com writes:

<< let me be the first to say.....how disappointing!!!!!!! >>

...is that all there is? <grin>

yeah, i was kinda disappointed that there was no interaction between the girls
& ellen (or sarah & ellen for that matter). but on the bright side...

um. :) we got a wee bit of an ig fix... <grin> plus, i was pleasantly
surprised to see sarah doing building a mystery solo on an acoustic guitar-
now that is something i'd like to hear in it's entirety.

still, i would've rather watched the last half of party of five. (of course
watching matthew fox is a huge priority in my life, so take from that what you
will)

what was that line about the "swiss army knife of lesbians"? :) that was cute.

peace,
  rick
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oh s**t!  i had the vcr set for the wrong channel.  when i realized this
(before the 30 secs of ig, thankfully!), i changed the channel.  but what
happened right before the first commercial break???  no ig, right?

yes, it was a bit dsappointing, and i cracked it up to be so much more
than it really was, but still...they were on.  i had my 30 seconds of
drooling over amy!

:-) karen

ps- wasn't that the same shirt amy was wearing at the dayton show and on
rosie??  ;-)

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hey all!
i have an extra ticket for the indigo grrls concert in san diego febuary 1st.
is anyone interested?!! it's 7th row!!!!!
let me know!
jenny

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hey!
  melissa etheridge and kd lang got more screen time...it's not fair!!!!!!
if only the audience at lillith fair was that small and *intimate*!
maybe a&e were a little shy about showing off their acting abilities!  all
those picks of ellen with sarah and ig must have been just for promos!
they must of had a good time on the set though!  not much to get excited
about really ) :

kc1

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hallo indigo folks and markus (woher kommst du! ich war dieser sommer in
deutschland!),

my airplane didn't krash or anything; it's just i had broken up with my
boyfriend in germany and was a bit anti-social...but i'm so very back now.

as to _pushing the needle too far_ i remember somebody has pointed out
that susanne vega has a song called "the queen and the soldier", witsch i
happened to hear last week. i've flunked history twice so i'm not sure
what or who susanne is referring to, but the song talked about a soldier
who
knocked on the queen's door to meet her...but the unsympathetik queen had
him killed at the end...

emily dickenson happens to be one of my fav poets (who says you can
have only one favorite????:)) markus, and i think
this one is pretty neat. see if you guys and gals could figure out witsch
songs by emily has to do with it:)

"i taste a liquor never brewed---
from tankards scooped in pearl---
not all the vats upon the rhine
yield such an alcohol!

inebriate of air---am i---
and debauchee of dew---
reeling---thro endless summer days---
from inns of molten blue---

when "landlords" turn the drunken bee
out of the foxlove's door---
when butterflies---renounce their "drams"---
i shall but drink the more!

till seraphs swing their snowy hats---
and saints---to windows run---
to see the little tippler
leaning against the---sun---"

again great to be home again! anyone who has opportunities to see ig
please tell them they got a fan in taiwan!

han

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 23:06:31 -0500
reply-to:     marivel danielson <marivel@umich.edu>
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from:         marivel danielson <marivel@m.imap.itd.umich.edu>
subject:      re: boot offers...

hey all!

now i'm not complaining or anything, but originally when i posted my offers i
accepted about 35 people total and currently only have about 15 sases with
blanks.  i hope the other 20 didn't get lost in the mail.  have some of you not
sent your blanks?  it's cool if you're no longer interested, but if it's because
of miscommunication or something else please let me know if there's anything i
can do to help lessen confusion (yeah right like i could really lessen anyone
else's confusion when i can't even reduce my own!).  oh well.  back to taping...

marivel

"i like being gay.  but i would like being straight if i were straight too.  i
like it you know.  i like the idea of having intimate relationships with
anybody."
           --a.r.

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 23:23:32 est
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okay all y'all ......just saw the preview on cnn headline news channel
for indigogirls/ellen/sarah mc. all about the ellen episode from
tonight.  it is 11:20 pm (eastern) and it said it is gonna be on
"later", so (wo)man your tvs.

all i have to say is amy-ellen-emily all singing on stage!!
eeeeeeeeeeeeek!!!!

get to your tv!

love,
sarah (and carol who are running around wild in our room, quiet hours,
who needs 'em??)


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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 23:47:18 -0500
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>hey, if anyone went to the june concert here in dayton at the fraze, tell
me
>>who in the hell was that lucky girl they plucked out of the audience to
sing
>the last verse of "closer to fine!"

she was one lucky babe, wasn't she!!  i heard she was a local opera student
from ud or something and that she was holding up a sign that said, "i'm an
opera singer!  let me sing with you!"  kinda lame imho.  did anyone else
stick around afterwards behind the pavilion by their tour buses?  there
were about a hundred of us--myself and bethany included--that got to see
emily and meet amy, and that chick was there, busting her way loudly and
rudely toward the front of the line!  needless to say, she's not on my list
of favorite people at this point...

i visited the rubber stamp site--they make a really cool wallpaper if you
set them as "tile"!


>>a guy walked in off the street today and sold me a nias promo poster in
>perfect condition.  i was so jazzed!  it's already up on my wall!

i know how you feel--we have a discount cd store in our area, and a friend
of mine found a laminated, 10 x 10 poster of 1200 curfews cover.  it's
awesome, and proudly displayed outside my door!!  my amy autograph,
however, is no longer displayed after one of my friends decided to play a
"joke" on me and steal it!!  it is now locked in a vault...

anyturd...nothing much else to discuss--oh!  on the ongoing "wood song"
discussion...

>if you believe the story of noah, there's no denying that noah had to have
a
>lot of faith to build the damn ark and round up all those animals and set
>sail.
>i mean on paper, the idea sounds kinda crazy, right?

>but he had faith so he did it.

>i think the song  is also about trusting in a higher power or the universe
or
>>whatever your "god" is. she makes references to a plan made by  a greater
>hand and a greater kind of love.

>i've always seen this as kind of a zen song. it's about a philosophy that
>looks at life's troubles as tests and learning experience and not as
negative
>"bad things".............for example, the lyric "if the weather holds, i'd
>>have missed the point. that's where i need to go." it's through the
strife
>and the challenges and the tests that the true answers to the mystery of
life
>evolves...
>>
>i think the song also admits faith is one thing that's hard to come by
(sound
>familiar) when it talks about sneaking a peak at the last chapter of the
>book. it's easier to have faith when you know the passage will turn out
>swell, but it's futile -- even if you found a damn good tarot card reader
:)
>>-- because again, you'd be missing the point


right on, sister.  this is the best interpretation i've heard so far--emily
is so damn good--she could write a song about a toilet seat cover and make
it poetic!  and amy could take a toaster cozy and turn it into a jammin'
tune that made our pelvises ache!!!!

that's all for now--see ya'll tomorrow!!

shannon

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 20:58:42 -0800
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at 04:28 am 1/7/98 -0500, colleen wrote:
>someone else please share your thoughts on this.  sots- contemporary
>folk or not?  and just what is this contemporary folk stuff anyway?

tony responds:
        according to grolier's encyclopedia, contemporary folk music is
composed for political and social purposes.  pete seeger, bob dylan, joan
baez, and janis joplin played a major role in the development of the modern
urban folk song.

mary clark said, "phil ochs said that folk music is music that doesn't get
played on the
radio.  (public radio notwithstanding)"

tony again:
        i think this is right.  one of the precepts of folk music is that
it's for the common people and not for the elite.
        i also think honestly in the lyrics and performance of a song is
essential for a folk song.

colleen wrote:
>by the way, while i must reiterate that i haven't even heard any of the
>other nominees, even so, i'd be willing to place some money on dylan to
>win.  they love living legends.  dylan's one.

tony says:
        i listen to public radio a lot, which is about the only radio play i
hear of those nominated for contemorary folk music - ig's, dylan, iris
dement, guy clark, and john prine, all of whom are great musicians.

        everyone here knows about dylan and the girls.

        john prine has been around for ages and i always associate him with
bonnie raitt, who sings his wonderful "angel from montgomery" tune.  bonnie
sang that song at the ig's malibu hte benefit in 1996!  prine is nominated
for his new cd ''live on tour'', which i've heard a few cuts from and sounds
great, but it is *not* all new material.  perhaps this will be an advantage
for the girls :)
        i believe his last studio album was "lost dogs and mixed blessings".
another favorite cd of mine is "the missing years".

        iris dement is from gladstone, missouri, in the heartland.  john
prine (of all people ;) encouraged dement to quit her job at k-mart and
record "infamous angel" for rounder records in 1992.  she fits the mold of
fasioning her songs about social and political protest on her nominated
album "the way i should".  the song "wasteland of the free" is a scathing
commentary on american apathy and hubris.  "there's a wall in washington" is
a lingering protest of the vietnam war.  the title track, "the way i should"
is an introspective of an independent individual - one who does not follow
the tide of popular sentiment.  "letter to mom" is a story of sexual child
abuse.
        iris has a supremely unique voice and plays a pretty good acoustic
guitar and is also quite good on the piano.  iris' lyrics are often
heart-wrenching as in "no time to cry" from her cd "my life".
        i don't think dement has previously been nominated for a grammy, but
imho she is deserving.

        guy clark is a nashville legend.  he was best buddies with the late
townes van zandt and is well acquainted with steve earle.  he plays acoustic
guitar and sings ballads and sorted tales.  i saw him perform last fall and
he was very good.  his nomination for "keepers - a live recording" may fall
short of the self-produced sots though (hopefully :)

        other folks whom i regularly listen to on public radio and who i
consider "contenders" in the contemporary folk album category is:

        patti griffin - much overlooked for her smashing debut album "living
with ghosts"
        steve earle's new cd "el corazon (the heart)"  is a masterpiece and
is worthy of best contemp. folk album imho
        delbert mcclinton's "one of the fortunate few" (probably country
category tho)
        robert earl keen


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g       us away to our extinction -  emily saliers      s
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