lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-01b

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date:         wed, 7 jan 1998 21:09:39 -0800
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subject:      re: ellen...is that it?????
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yeah it was short, but we really knew it would be, didnt we?

what i thought was odd: womyn fest...paige ribbed spence because it
was a *womyn* fest. i saw a lot of guys in the background at the fest.
my impression of things called womyn fests was that they were women onlu
events.

what i though was cool:  the plug for human rights campaign, one
of the higher profile gay/lesbian/bi rights organizations.  while ellen
was getting her fortune read, elizabeth birch (who heads the
organization) wasin the background holding a clipboard, getting
someone's signature.  ellen;s mom was also in the background as
one of the poeple working at the hrc booth.

and what i thought was really cool: ellen and laurie have a chance to
work things out. :)

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here is the address~

        daemon records
        p.o. box 1207
        decatur, ga 30031-1207

or online at: http://monsterbit.com/daemon/

just telling y'all that i have to sign off for the next week or so. i'll be
back though.

have good weeks all of you!!!

sari

sari laufer
northwestern university
s-laufer@nwu.edu
http://pubweb.nwu.edu/~srl542

hey,
i was just wondering if anyone out there might be interested in vhs tapes of
indigo girls on david letterman, rosie o'donell, ellen, cnn headline news, or
vh1 live. i would be willing to trade for boots of austin concerts or i would
consider other ig stuff. thanks.
amy

i just tried to catch ig with ellen on showbiz news but it never came on.
did i screw up or something? did anyone else have this problem. geez, i
feel so dumb and disgrutled. please can someone help? thanks.
-sam (doomed to go to school tomorrow)

hey folks,

i'm letting go of a few of my collectibles (beyond the items normally seen
at fortunate ones records). i'll be posting a list soon. a few items are
getting pretty tough to find, so i had trouble pricing them..thus this
auction. i'm just doing one item at a time...the get together promo cd
single w/ holiday greetings is first to go (sigh :) ). this is the only
post i'll make to the list. all inquiries, bids, questions, comments,
jokes, and other thoughts should be directed to
hamilton@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu the auction will only last a few days..some
people dont' have access to their mail on weekends...so we'll go till
monday/tuesday to give them a fair shake and then wrap it up tuesday
evening. hope you all had a great holiday.

disc info:

demonstration only (promo) cd single. no sleeves (few of the early epic
promos were issued w/ package). esk 1939

1. holiday greeting (0:10)
2. get together (3:30)

*taken from epic release strangefire 1989 cbs records inc.

the disc is red..ho ho ho.
we are fortunate ones,
joe

i tried to send this to whoever is in charge of the stamps, but the mail
keeps coming back saying user unknown....anyways.....

>        i tried to go to the stamp site, but i can't get to it on my
>computer...i guess 'cause i don't have aol?
>anyways.. i'm sure they look really
>cool! could you please send  me  info?
>                thanks :-)
>                                                -heather

sorry for the waste of bandwidth yet again but:

sue gibson, your bloomington tape went out today. sorry about the delay.
carrie

thank the goddesses for headline news tonjght! i looooooved the behind
the scenes look of ellen doing c2f with the girls! luckily (thanks to
sarah's tip!!!) i was watching, had the tape cued up, and recorded it.
okay, that kinda made up for the disappointment i felt after the show...

okay, i really should go to sleep (even though i have no classes on
thursdays...)

:-) karen

ps- this is totally nigc, but i really looooooved sarah mclachlan's shoes
that she wore on the show!!! ;-)

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<< has anyone noticed that everyone's lusting after amy and no one seems to
give a thought to em?? i think emily has extraordinarily beautiful eyes...
>>

i'd take em first any day, and i'm sure you'll be hearing a big me too from
lcasey on this one as well.

molly o+

hi. looking for some ani difranco on video, or ferron, or chris
williamson/tret fure in trade, i also have some, plus, i have a large ig
collection as well as melissa, kd,jann arden, amanda marshall. also looking
for lesbian movies/documentaries/etc. have many to trade. e-mail me privately.

i am looking for a copy of the madison square garden show june 3(?) 1997
and the palace theatre show - new haven ct. oct 28 1997.
all i can offer in return is blank tapes and my eternal gratitude :)
please e-mail me privately.
thanks, mindy
everything in its own time

good morning from a very windswept south coast of england - can you believe
we had a tornado here last night?!! (not where i live luckily, although i
thought my windows were going to break due to hailstones the size of walnuts!)

anyway, thanks to people who suggested some ideas for artistes for me to
book - i've just had a little tip-off that dar is planning a uk tour in may
in case anyone's interested...hoping that this may include a brighton date...

oh, and for those of us who are not going to see ig on ellen for months and
months - aside from it being short, what exactly happened??

seffy

okay, now a day after ellen, all i can think about is...the indigo girls
were at womynfest and ellen missed them!  they got their late!  i can't
believe it....and then they decide to leave early....i mean really is any
girlfriend  that important, that you leave a concert early?  who was
performing the next day????  besides that gene kelly girl was way cuter
than lorie!  perhaps i'm thinking about this just a tad too much!

have a great day!
kc1

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"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
this world was meant for me. don't bury me. carry me.

~ a. ray

"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
your while."

~ e. sailers

boy, tony (doolittle) did a fantastic job with that informative posting
on contemporary folk, imo.  posts like that really add to
the list, as they broaden our understanding of the history of the
genre with which ig are most closely identified. i wanted to add
something about john prine.
this guy was the very first contemp.folk artist i ever saw...we're
talking 1969, at (i think) new trier high school (suburban chicago).
i was immediately hooked, and that show influenced the direction of
my music collection forever. if you're not familiar with his music,
and you like the contemp. folk scene, do check him out - particularly
his early stuff (tho i like the new stuff too).  he's done some tunes
that i'd dearly love to see a + e cover, especially one from his first
(self-titled) album, called "hello in there," which is a touching and
poignant song that could easily have come from the pen of our own
emily... that first one has other great songs too, including "your
flag decal won't get you into heaven anymore" and "illegal smile." hard
to imagine his most recent release is a real contender though, being a
live album and (as tony notes) not being new material.
also, i gotta tell you, dylan's new one is awesome too.
but of course i'm still pulling for sots to win.  (dylan to place,
and prine to show)  (not that i'm the gambling type)

my .02 (mine is a non-cents keyboard) (ha-ha)
peace-nic

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according to the grammy site, they ask several experts in each field to listen to the music, not to judge and rate it, but simply to ensure that the music has been placed in the correct category. this ensures of course, that rock and folk don't get mixed up all in the same category. with crossover artists like ig and ani etc. this must get quite difficult. but apparently a panel of expert folkies agreed that ig was folk, so that is how they were placed in that category. it is not quite as arbitrary as it seems to us i guess.

bob dylan's new cd is wonderful. no two ways about it in my mind. the guy can't sing, but he sure as heck can write poetry and good music. but guys! guys! think about it! just to get nominated in the same category with bob dylan!! i mean, how awesome is that!! we all know that he is a hero and source of inspiration to the girls. imagine how thrilling it must be! they are probably happy enough right here, forget about winning or losing. and losing to mr. dylan, there is nothing shameful about that. if he won it would be sort of a lifetime achievement award thing. and he has influenced many musicians (including the ig) and has done so for more years than probably either of them were alive, or sentient anyway.

it is like if we were all musicians who were ig inspired and we put out a cd where the music was quite inspired by them, and we got nominated alongside them. can you imagine what an honor we would consider it? you know? sorry for rambling. and preaching :)

btw, what is austin city limits and how can i tune into it? our local pbs station doesn't list it in its schedule (i am in fort worth, texas).

urvashi

this is from lauren, who wrote the excellent review of the denver show.

ellen

nakedeye10/lauren, your guest denver show poster here.

just in case no one else caught this in rolling stone 778/jan 22
(current?) on p. 18.

the article is about the appropriateness/offensiveness of prodigy's new
single "smack my bitch up" vis a vis recording/marketing/radio/retail.
amy is quoted near the end of the article as saying "i'm sure they don't
really advocate violence towards women, but come on, guys, let's be a
little more responsible."

in a previous rs interview, prodigy "producer and mastermind" liam
howlett said, "it's so offensive that it can't actually mean that.
that's where the irony is."

while i'm here, thanks to the few of you who post useful information,
and thanks to the people who are kind enough to forward some of them to
me. i hate to think of the good stuff that i miss. but i must say, i'm
glad i dont' have to read all of the unrelated posts.

see ya round,

lauren

p.s. fun to see a&e on tonight's mediocre episode of ellen.

hey everybody!

i hope everyone had a great start into the new year.
i just uploaded my ig pages. if you'd like to check them out, here
are the urls

my ig main page is at:
http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/68800/homepage/indigo/indigo.htm

my home page is at:
http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/68800/homepage/homepage.htm

everything is still under conctruction but there is already enough
stuff up to browse through:
- a concert reviews section
- a resources section (tabs, song info, lyrics)
- a "where were you..." page about list members stories about discovering ig
- a quote page (a&e quotes on different subjects taken from lifeblood
articles)

okay, enough plugging;-)).
have a great day!

take care
and peace,
kathrin

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in a message dated 98-01-07 18:47:24 est, linda writes:

<< i read somewhere that 1200 curfews had a booklet that contained hand
written
comments from a&e about the songs etc, is this correct as the copy i have
doesn't have this. if so any suggestions on where i can get a copy with the
booklet?
  >>
a lot of copies of 1200 curfews were apparently shipped without the liner
notes.  on the back of the disc is the number for sony music "quality
management department."  1-800-255-7514  just give them a call, explain the
problem, and a booklet will arrive in your mailbox, free of charge in about
3-4 weeks!  the notes are great, so anyone whose version is missing them
should most definitely call!

peace,

pam

hey kids-

"ellen" is a 30 min situation comedy. sit-coms have 19-22 min of actual
on-air time. ig actually took up about 3% (39 secs) of the show. that
may not sound like much, but seriously... what did you expect? did
anyone see the movie "boys on the side"? a&e were practically background
in that movie - and they certainly weren't prominently featured for 3%
of the movie.

i just find it absolutely remarkable how much griping there was on this
list about ig's prominently featured performance of a small portion of
one of there own songs on a popular network tv show.

i think we should all be tremendously grateful to ellen degeneres and
the producers of "ellen" for allowing a&e such a tremendous showcase in
front of literally millions of people, most of whom have never even
heard of ig, let alone ever seen them or heard their music.

perhaps our own bias, fueled by obsession, has distorted our perceptions
of all things ig-related.

most of the world doesn't love ig the way we do. most of the world has
never heard of ig. most of the world doesn't buy acoustic folk-rock cds.
most of the world doesn't like or understand homosexuals.

please, perspective people.

(ooh, dig the alliteration!) <g>

a&e did what a&e do. they're not actors; they're musicians. and it was a
great way to give themselves a little "mainstream" exposure in front of
the great, unwashed masses.

my 3�.

:o)
peace...
--
-- mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
[aka: mel <melsouth1@hotmail.com>]

           "what a poor appearance the tales of the poets
            make stripped of the colors which music puts
            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
                - plato

>mel wrote:
><snip>
>>please, perspective people.
>
>>a&e did what a&e do. they're not actors; they're musicians. and it >was a
>>great way to give themselves a little "mainstream" exposure in >front of the
>>great, unwashed masses.
>
>
>right on! personally, i was thrilled to see ig for 39 seconds. when they were
>done i danced around the living room. i think it was great exposure for ig,
>and i will take whatever ig fix i can get.
>
>did anyone else think that amy looked a lot more at ease than did emily?
>
>i also loved that hrc was so visible in the background. very cool.
>
>peace,
>
>dan

well, all i can say is that
you know me, i take ev-er-y-thing so seriously...

peace-nic (who really would love to put the b/s on both her autos)

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>amy is quoted near the end of the article as saying "i'm sure they don't
>really advocate violence towards women, but come on, guys, let's be a
>little more responsible."
>
>in a previous rs interview, prodigy "producer and mastermind" liam
>howlett said, "it's so offensive that it can't actually mean that.
>that's where the irony is."

well, that is the most idiotic line of reasoning i've heard in a
long time. people say and write stupid and "offensive" things all
the time that they actually "mean".

good morning y'all!
in a message dated 1/7/98 10:27 pm, rbsarye wrote:

<in a message dated 98-01-07 22:14:32 est, atlmouse@aol.com writes:

<<< let me be the first to say.....how disappointing!!!!!!! >>

<...is that all there is? <grin>

<yeah, i was kinda disappointed that there was no interaction between
the girls
<& ellen (or sarah & ellen for that matter). but on the bright side...

i was extremely disappointed in the too brief cameo (boo!).  but, it was
great to see them and it was good exposure for them.  on e! news daily
on 1/6, they showed a longer clip of a&e singing ghost with ellen, along
with a brief a&e interview about appearing in a sitcom.  i enjoyed that
more than the episode.  i would have liked to see more of the e! clip.
i hope e! reruns the clip on e! news weekend so i can tape it.

debbie 8-)

my main problem with ellen was that in the t.v. guide it said "ellen takes
paige to see the indigo girls and sarah m." ellen didnt take her to see
them, and they missed the girls! it was great to see them, but it was made
to be such a much bigger deal than it was..just my two cents

               inspired by insanity, losing my job, financial
                        aid, my casey and my crazy cat!
                                jeanette

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mel wrote:

i am going to have to agree. i am on the west coast so i saw the disappointed
ig fans post to this list before i saw ellen. when i watched ellen...i
thought, "wow, that was a good, long spot.....considering this is a sit com."
sarah got lots of time too.

they never said anything about the lillith fair - they called it women fest.
therefore, it didn't have to be this big ole concert with thousands of people.
it's a sit com....i am sure their stage won't fit thousands of people.

it was cute...done in normal ellen style, i think!

back to work today :(
linda
:)

on thu, 8 jan 1998, mel wrote:

> please, perspective people.

i agree.  think about it.  on her show, ellen is just ellen.  she's not a
famous person, she's like any of us that go to a huge festival like the
"womyn fest" or lilith fair.  she doesn't have any special privelidges to
go backstage and hang out with our beloved girls. now i know that we have
all had our moments with the girls, waiting for them after shows, getting
the chance to meet them, but really...at an event like lilith, who really
got to "interact"  with the girls? probably very few.

although, when sarah was singing, the atmosphere looked rather cozy...too
bad they showed audrey looking at the stage with binoculars 10 minutes
earlier!

just a few more cents to the discussion....(let the flames begin)

sarah in st. louis

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i look back on my life
and i have a good laugh..."
-emily saliers
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songs like ghost make us cry,songs like sys skin make us dance,but
galileo always gives me power.i was wondering what song does that to
any of you...

love,
thegirlwiththeweightoftheworldinherhands.

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the lord there's people out there like you...
leaving aint fair and parting aint just,but hey..
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no match for the predators of pain inside her---emily saliers
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>galileo always gives me power.i was wondering what song does that to
>any of you...

for me, songs of empowerment include:

hammer and a nail
let it be me
watershed

i am always especially heartened by the line: when you're learning to
face/ the path at your pace/ every choice is worth your while.

nic

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oooooo yeah!
when you just woke up, its raining, theres no more milk, your favorite
shirt is stained, you've got an exam.... you just dont feel
right...

hammer & a nail is the song! nothing like a few of emily's words to
give you energy and some willpower. i love emily. to quote an nig song
(wow , didnt know i could still do that) "i've got sunshine on a rainny
day...." (very direct affirmation)

july ;)

on thu, 8 jan 1998, nicola nelson wrote:

> >galileo always gives me power.i was wondering what song does that to
> >any of you...
>
> for me, songs of empowerment include:
>
> hammer and a nail
> let it be me
> watershed
>
> i am always especially heartened by the line: when you're learning to
> face/ the path at your pace/ every choice is worth your while.
>
> nic
>
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sheesh, i haven't seen an email from the list since before christmas...

what's going on??

did i somehow get dropped??

help!

mark
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hi iglist!
i rarely turn on a tv, but luckily last nigh i was reading an igdigest
when i realised that they would be on ellen.  despite the croaky voice, i
yelled to my roommate, "hey, what time is ellen on?  i think the indigo
girls are going to be on it."  so she turned it on just in  time.  i
thought the whole thing was pretty funny, what with the hysterical
rainbow-and-women's-symbol background, the slogan, and the "bay area
artists coop" sign--not to mention audrey getting her hair dreaded etc.
yes, it looked like a soundstage.  yes, we all know that's not what
michigan/womynfest/etc. really looks like--but hey, it was funny!  i
though amy and emily got more screen time than i expected--the only other
thing i thought was going to happen was a clip of ellen singing with them
at the end of the show.  i have only seen ellen one other time--the coming
ou;t episode--and i thought it was, well, kind of funny.  there were some
good lines, and there were some bad lines, and it was really, really
shallow, and i suppose that's how sitcoms are supposed to be.  but anyway,
it was nice to see the ig on tv.  as for sarah mclachlan i'm shocked that
she didn't have her hubby right there with her so she could "prove" she
wasn't a lesbian.

on to the grammys...iris dement is from the greater kansas city
metropolitan area so i must give my support to her...hometown girl makes
real good.  of coruse, dylan is your basic brilliant lyricist with your
basic crappy yet distinctive voice.  and no matter what, no one can
convince me that sots is folk.  in my opinion, patty griffin should have
been nominated, as well as laura love (for "octoroon," which came out at
about the same time as dar williams' end of the summer)--oh well, maybe
next year, or something like that.  yeah.
lisa s., you are doing a fabulous job of keeping the list uptodate on ig
merchandise etc., not to mention your life (i'd never hear about it
otherwise!).

susie b. marine is nowhere near 40, but despite her youth is still just
about the sexiest babe on this or any other list (right, my little cheese
puff?)...
and that's that for today. thanks for making me watch tv, list. it's rare
enough that it might be considered an event. :-)

later, y'all,
luv,
suzi

dan writes-

<< >did anyone else think that amy looked a lot more at ease than did emily?
>>

yes, it seemed that way to me as well.

empowering ig tunes- besides ctf- :-) let it be me. one of my favorite ig
songs ever. when they performed it in fl last september... :) i was a happy
happy man.

so this morning while singing along to the radio in the shower, i came up with
another idea for a song for the girls to cover- only i think it would be a
wonderful sort of "water is wide" kinda thing- "life in a northern town"- the
tune from dream academy back in the 80's- (ya'll remember the 80's right? :)
harmonies in the chorus are really beautiful. i can see them doing this with
sarah mclachlan, michelle malone... just a thought.

peace,
rick
*why do you keep using that word? i do not think it means what you think it
means.*

article is from http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/9532.html; see
also <http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2319a.html >for the actual law.

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trade a tape, go to jail?
by steve silberman

compared to the march super-bust of 13 individuals in 12 countries on 40
counts of conspiring to manufacture and distribute bootleg cds, the
shutting down of a single web site by the administration of a small east
coast university may seem insignificant.

the implications of the shutdown, however - following a series of letters
to the university by the recording industry association of america - are
causing ripples in the online world of tape traders, fans for whom a
trickle of studio albums by their favorite artists isn't enough.

why did the riaa single out this site - not much different from thousands
of others on the net, where traders post their "lists" in hopes of
expanding their collections - threatening the site's owner with a five-year
jail sentence and a us$250,000 fine for copyright infringement?

unlike several pearl jam fan sites shut down by riaa threats in recent
months, the site - which was run by a university staffer who asked not to
be identified - never featured advance, unauthorized copies of studio
releases. the site was devoted strictly to the trading of high-quality
concert recordings, some of which were recorded by the staffer himself, a
bruce springsteen aficionado well-respected by other online traders.

his troubles began a few weeks ago, when email arrived from someone in
washington, dc, who said they wanted to conduct a trade. the particular
kind of exchange requested was what is known in trading circles as a
"newbie trade," newbie being the term for someone who is just getting
started in the world of trading, and who thus usually cannot offer a swap
of one show for another.
newbie trades often involve the trading of one live recording for one or
two blank tapes, the extra blank being the payment for the trader's time
and effort in copying the tape. most traders, obviously, would rather
enlarge their collections than trade for blanks, but when a trader's
collection reaches a certain level of comprehensiveness, there's not much
out there left to trade. at that point, many traders retire from the
circuit, or only trade with other connoisseurs for extreme rarities. other
traders - wanting to give something back to the trading community - make
the fruits of their years of hunting and gathering available to newbies.

the university staffer says he spent up to 25 hours a week "spinning"
tapes, many of them for newbies. the sheer volume of mail moving through
his house - blank cassettes, self-addressed bubble-wrap envelopes, postage
- became overwhelming.

"people would send me boxes of 100 blanks and ask me to make them 50
tapes," he recalls. "i was trading with people all over the world."

finally, he decided to streamline the operation by asking newbies to send
him $6 for one tape, instead of two blanks and return postage. he didn't
make any profit, he says, and his wife was happier with the reduced volume
of mail. "i thought i was helping everyone," he says.

to the riaa, however, a web site proffering unauthorized recordings for
cash, even with no profit margin, smells like a professional bootlegging
operation. in the eyes of the group's anti-piracy unit, the site was a
"commercial operation." the staffer maintains that his site was run purely
"to spread the music."

the issue became even more complex in december, with the passage of the no
electronic theft act, designed to boost penalties for illegal copying of
software and other intellectual property - including concert recordings and
videos - for "financial gain." for traders, one particularly unsettling
section of the law defines "financial gain" as "the receipt, or expectation
of receipt, of anything of value, including the receipt of other
copyrighted works."
so is tape trading now illegal by definition - even trades where no money
changes hands?

yes and no. director steve d'onofrio says the anti-piracy unit looks at the
scale of trading involved. "one individual trading with one individual is
not a problem," he says.

the riaa's position "has been to focus on commercial businesses where there
is blatant copyright infringement," d'onofrio says, singling out mpeg
archive sites where unauthorized recordings are uploaded and downloaded
directly from the net - especially sites offering studio material before
the release date.

so can old-school snail-mail traders relax? not quite. when a trader posts
his or her list to the web, d'onofrio says, they approach the "very thin
line" between commercial sites and non-commercial sites.

in d'onofrio's view, when a trader puts his list online, "then it's not
just one person trading a tape. the entire world can get on the internet.
it's a much larger problem." the riaa has also decided to target .edu
sites, which it believes are hotbeds of copyright infringement and
marketing of unauthorized recordings - "particularly universities that
allow students to develop their own web sites," d'onofrio says.

thickening the plot, the riaa regards newbie trades of one show for two
blanks as a kind of profiteering.

most online traders, however, will not wake up tomorrow morning and find
riaa letters in their mailboxes, as that springsteen collector did, which
resulted in the university taking down his site and stripping him of his
email address.

d'onofrio says the riaa usually will not move forward with an investigation
until it has a signed affidavit from the artist to do so. though some
artists discourage all trading of unofficial recordings, others - like
phish, widespread panic, and the allman brothers - encourage online tape
trading as a way of building their audience.

"arguably, if there were no live tapes, people who wanted to hear phish
live would be forced to buy the albums. but the audience would be far
smaller," observes shelly culbertson, ticketing and internet manager for
phish, which has released two live albums in the past three years, despite
the fact that there are hundreds of live phish tapes available from traders
on the net.

culbertson believes the band is "actively accommodating" tapers and traders
with special tapers' seats at concerts, and said that non-interference with
fan web sites like phish.net, has been "more effective, from a publicity
point of view, than radio and mtv."

rich breton, an online springsteen trader with over 200 hours of live
performances in his collection, thinks the riaa should draw firmer
distinctions between traders who are circulating the music for the love of
it, and those who are in the game for profit.

"when it comes down to newbie trades, there should be some sort of
guidelines to allow personal use," breton says. most of the traders he
knows make a "huge distinction" between pre-release copies of studio
material and live tapes, he says.

besides, breton observes, "anyone i know who trades already has all the
official releases, and if they're really into it, they even have the import
cds with special extra tracks."

while the riaa's d'onofrio allows that small-scale traders have "not been a
major issue up to now," he says, "the net changes everything."

--
deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo

in a message dated 1/8/98 10:07:14 am, you wrote:

<<what i though was cool:  the plug for human rights campaign, one
of the higher profile gay/lesbian/bi rights organizations.  while ellen
was getting her fortune read, elizabeth birch (who heads the
organization) wasin the background holding a clipboard, getting
someone's signature.  ellen;s mom was also in the background as
one of the poeple working at the hrc booth.>>

that's just what we need.... more exposure for hrc. :::groan:::

ok, not trying to start a little war here, so if you want to respond you can
email me, i don't want to plague the list with glbt organization rifts.

peace
kate

who really supports hrc, but is saddened that other more diverse and
progressive orgs. are being left in the dust.

at 11:58 pm 1/7/98  , doolittle wrote:
>        according to grolier's encyclopedia, contemporary folk music is
>composed for political and social purposes.  pete seeger, bob dylan, joan
>baez, and janis joplin played a major role in the development of the modern
>urban folk song.

but there has to be more to it than that, or rage against the machine would
be folk. :-)

=-=-=-=

at 10:30 pm 1/7/98 , kc1 wrote:
> melissa etheridge and kd lang got more screen time...it's not fair!!!!!!

not much... and wasn't that on the *hour-long* coming-out episode? i think
mel hit the nail square on the head with her assessment.

=-=-=-=

at 09:05 pm 1/7/98 , fauna88 wrote:
>okay - how does one get this sort of thing?!?! i know i will never be able to
>bid the highest, but i'm wondering how you (madonajk, whoever you are) get
>ahold of this. are there limited editions just floating around? do record
>stores get them? or what?

independent music stores, mail order from collector's newspapers and
magazines like goldmine, and news from this list like the notice mark posted.

=-=-=-=
at 01:58 am 1/6/98 , indigopony wrote:
>...another shameless plug for this cd: i got it a few weeks ago,
>and my two fave songs are "twist in my sobriety" by tanita tikaram
>(had never heard her, but she's wunnerful!)

i loved her on first listen to that song, and the whole first cd is good,
but the rest are too orchestrated for my tastes. amy-fans are sure to love
her sexy vocals, though!

>and "fifty ways to leave
>your lover" covered by sandra bernhard (hilarious with the appropriate
>gender switches--dare i say i like it better than the s&g original? ;).

that was a paul simon song, art was not involved. :-) sandra bernhard fans
should rent "without you i'm nothing"... it's funny, it's strange, it's
sandra.

=-=-=-=

at 01:56 pm 1/7/98 , lori saeki wrote:
>when i bought strange fire this weekend, i had the nagging feeling
>that i had heard crazy game before.

i can't think of any other contexts you would have heard that one.

=-=-=-=
at 12:36 pm 1/8/98 , s. steffen wrote:
>as for sarah mclachlan i'm shocked that
>she didn't have her hubby right there with her so she could "prove" she
>wasn't a lesbian.

why the cheap shot at someone who's been so supportive of the gay
community, including ig?

>in my opinion, patty griffin should have
>been nominated, as well as laura love (for "octoroon,"

both of those releases would have been well-deserving... it was a great
year for us contemporary folk fans!

--
deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo

>
> that's just what we need.... more exposure for hrc. :::groan:::
>
> who really supports hrc, but is saddened that other more diverse and
> progressive orgs. are being left in the dust.

i think, no matter that the organization is, that this inclusion
is majorly significant. why?  ellen has said from day one of
teh coming out extravagnaza that she didnt want to be a poster
child of gay rights etc.  this certainly doesnt make her
so, but inclusion of a gay rights organization is certainly a nod
in many directions.  1) hrc provides an excellent resource for
legislative efforts and attacks, and how we can reach legislators.
2) ellen is giving a nod to the fact that she *can* wield some
influence. adn 3) her own mom is a spokesperson for
hrc.  this makes hrc a natural choice for this sort of
inclusion in the show.

this is my current favorite, but i don't really understand it.  i mean i can
really relate to the message of hope in the chorus, but i don't get the
verses.  like in "i've taken so many down, i've helped them all to dismount"
where is down, and dismount from what?  anyone have any insights?

anne

hey lovely listees!!
does anyone have a boot for this show: june 10, 1997 -- finger lakes
performing arts center - canindagua, new york??? if you do, please
email me so we can work out a trade!!!!
thanks!!!
becks

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hey,
        did anyone make it to the atlanta dar concert.  i decided to go last
minute.  sorry i couldn't meet anyone.  what do you all look like? maybe i
saw you! she was soooo awesome in concert though... anyone want to discuss it?
                        chelsea

hello all!!! i am new on this list, so this is my first post.  i would like to
start an ig boot collection, but i have no ig shows to trade.  i have a good
size rem collection, and am also willing to send blanks.  please email me if
you could help me out.  also, i was wondering if there was any way for me to
get a set list to a ig's show on dec. 9, '97 at the iu auditorium in indiana.
thanks in advance,
        bethanne

hello, all!
it's nice to be back on the list after being off since june - not like i
really did anything more than lurk, anyway, but...hey. lurkers are loved,
too! now that i'm armed with jill's poem as a sig (thanks, jill! i love
it) and millions of digests sitting in my inbox, i have a question for you
all (oh, excuse me...that should be "y'all" ;) ):

is there a boot anywhere of the 7/12 seattle show last summer? if so, i
would love to get my grubby little hands on one. i have an admittedly
small boot collection (but i have one, thanks to all you lovely people!),
but i'm more than happy to trade if you'd like to.

ta-hanks!
:) stephanie
________________________________________________________________
stephanie lingwood                     lingwood@u.washington.edu
                        scholarship
            endless pursuit of procrastination
_______________________________________-jill certo______________

anne said:

>like in "i've taken so many down, i've helped them all to dismount"
>where is down, and dismount from what? anyone have any insights?

this song has always been one of my favorites.  to me, it seems like the
whole song is a "judge not lest ye be judged" kind of thing.  it's pretty
self deprecating.  it seems like amy is musing on the many times she's
criticized people for their various faults ("i've taken so many down, i've
helped them all to dismount" -- from their high horses maybe?).

but now she comes to realize that she's been less than perfect too. maybe
she's even done the very thing she's criticized others for doing ("i swore
i'd never be a sinner 'til i held your sin"). then she's pleading with
someone (the one she criticized, i guess) not to turn the tables and judge
her right back ("i've become the beggar now and you've become the saint
somehow, twist the words and place the blame and tell me now aren't we the
same").

the part i don't completely understand in the context of the rest of the
song is the refrain.  is she really hopeful about "emptiness bringing
fullness" etc.?  or is this a bitter statement, like she thought that by
tearing someone else down she'd bring some fulfillment to herself, but now
realizes it doesn't work that way?  what do you all think?

stephanie

well here is the latest

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: thu, 8 jan 1998 13:32:02 -0800 (pst)
from: the cd list guy <searchme@earthlink.net>
to: mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject: re: list date: 01/07/98 -part i

>i sent the auction part to the indigo girls mailing list so hopeuyflly you
>will get some good bids from there

thanks md, i appreciate it, things are going well, it's up to $40!

take care,

matthew, cd guy

thats easy silly what do u dismount ?
usualyl a horse shes taken many down off thier high horse and outdated
ways of thinking

on thu, 8 jan 1998, chiqhiker wrote:

> this is my current favorite, but i don't really understand it.  i mean i can
> really relate to the message of hope in the chorus, but i don't get the
> verses.  like in "i've taken so many down, i've helped them all to dismount"
> where is down, and dismount from what?  anyone have any insights?
>
> anne
>
> --
> administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
> all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

hey!
i realize this is a little late but i wanted to give some quicky thoughts
on woodsong and airplane.  woodsong to me has always been about occupying
a difficult place in society i.e. gay, liberal, etc. and trying to plug on
through the hard times in hope of a happier ending.  the line "and if the
weather holds we'll have missed the point that's where i need to go"
recognizes that sometimes it's easier not to be visible/vocal about who
you are but that only by being visible/vocal does society gain a greater
understanding/appreciation of who you are, oh the irony.  now airplane, i
like airplane
but the reason why it is not a favorite is because it practices amy
discrimination.  it is so high in pitch that amy only gets to come in on a
line or two. now imagine my *dad* listening to my ig tape and saying "you
know this is the only song i don't like" refering to airplane, he says
this right after that descending piano thing which conjures up giant
mushroom cloud visions for me!  now in my house my mom thinks the ig's are
sisters and my brother can't even pronounce indigo (indeeago) note the
significance!  i think the strength of the ig's is in the collaboration,
and each of their songs is stronger because the other participated! as for
grammy trivia i believe the girls won for "back on the bus y'all".  i have
a tape of a radio interview right after their grammy debut which i will
transcribe the relevant parts and post later!

thanks for listenin!
diana
pres, committee to end amy discrimination :) ;) :)
_____________________________________________________________________________
"the song that i am singing is a prayer to nonbelievers, come and stand
beside us we can find a better way."
john denver

dear fellow listees-

the curve magazines i had have been spoken for. sadly, i simply could not
accomodate everyone. if i haven't emailed you privately by now, then i ran out
before i got to your request. but i saved everyone's name who wrote to me in
case one of the people i picked changes her mind.

for anyone else so inclined to help out their fellow listees, those of
you who have seen jan. '98 curve on your local book store shelves do what i
did please- pick up a few extra copies. there are lots of listees who still
need one. i'll send you the names of those still wanting one if that will
help.

i wanted to remind everyone that the interview in curve was just the
first half of a two-parter. therefore, i strongly recommend that if you want
the february issue of curve, go to your local bookchain now and order it!
that's how i got mine for january. it is now, apparently, not possible to
order the jan issue anymore from bookstores (at least not in my neck of the
woods). i suggest you go to the barnes and noble near you because they were
very nice to me. borders too, regularly carries gay/lesbian stuff but not
always so consistently. if you order february now, there's a better chance of
getting it when it comes in. i doubt it will be the cover story again- come
on- we can't be that fortunate- but the interview was awesome so far, and the
pictures were great too. also, ms is now on the newstands here- i got mine the
other day. great picture. i can't scan it in or else i would. nice to see ig
getting such great recognition!
also, it would be nice if listees found the curve magazine web site and sent
along a nice thank you for their article. and send in your curve survey if you
got the magazine!!!!!!!!! it's on the last page.~peace and all things
indigo~leah

in a message dated 98-01-08 17:49:06 est, you write:

<<  the part i don't completely understand in the context of the rest of the
  song is the refrain.  is she really hopeful about "emptiness bringing
  fullness" etc.?  or is this a bitter statement, like she thought that by
  tearing someone else down she'd bring some fulfillment to herself, but now
  realizes it doesn't work that way?  what do you all think? >>

i thought this part was kinda like wanting to believe the kind of sympathetic
words that you always get when something tragic happens to you: "everything
will be alright, things will get better, everything happens for a reason,
etc..."

>songs like ghost make us cry,songs like sys skin make us dance,but
>galileo always gives me power.i was wondering what song does that to
>any of you...

definitely the wood song. i feel so "full" while i listen.
and when i sing along (alone in the car at the top of my lungs!)
i can feel the power down in the pit of my soul -- or is it my stomach?

my favorite verse is the one amy sings:

"but the question drowns in its futility
even i have got to laugh at me
no one gets to miss the storm of what will be
just holding on for the ride"

her voice takes on an other-worldly quality and enhances
the song so much right there. i feel possessed by the spirit
of amy and all things indigo. what a wonderful sensation!

i'm gonna go listen now!
cathy, destined to neglect all her non-ig cds forever.
(i think they're getting their feelings hurt!)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility" -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch" -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart" -- phish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

>"life in a northern town"- the
>tune from dream academy back in the 80's- (ya'll remember the 80's right? :)
>harmonies in the chorus are really beautiful. i can see them doing this with
>sarah mclachlan, michelle malone... just a thought.

and what a good thought indeed!
i'm singing in my head now (hey um um um ah!) and can
hear both girls just a sayngin' away. beautiful, simply beautiful.

cathy, take it easy on yourself

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility" -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch" -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart" -- phish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i have to admit that i made a huge mistake regarding this whole album.  i got
this album before i realized that amy had awesome songs.  i preferred emily's
more logical melodies and stricter poetry.  on this particular album, i
thought the only songs worth listening to were hammer, southland, watershed,
and the girl.  i don't think i even listened to the other songs all the way
through: just a few lines then *skip*!  then one day last summer, i had this
cd playing in my car and i heard world falls and i almost stopped breathing.
then i heard hand me downs and i almost cried.  when i listened to you and me
of 1000 wars i could have kicked myself for all the time i wasted not knowing
these songs.  take these words to heart lest ye make the same mistake:  amy
rawks!

does anyone know where the san diego concert is being held?
thanks.
julie

at 03:33 pm 1/8/98 -0500, deb wrote:
>at 11:58 pm 1/7/98  , doolittle wrote:
>>        according to grolier's encyclopedia, contemporary folk music is
>>composed for political and social purposes.  pete seeger, bob dylan, joan
>>baez, and janis joplin played a major role in the development of the modern
>>urban folk song.
>
>but there has to be more to it than that, or rage against the machine would
>be folk. :-)
>
>=-=-=-=
        hi deb (and 990+ others ;)~

        yeah, there is more to it than that, but it is hard to condense the
preamble to contemp. folk music, which of course is first rooted in
traditional folk music.  traditional folk music is regional and displays
characteristics of it's subculture.
        for example, i thought it was interesting that 2 or 3 out of 5 bands
nominated for traditional folk album were cajun/zydeco bands.  but this
makes perfect sense!  cajun and zydeco music is steeped in the arcadian
traditions of southwest louisiana with their french patois and unique
instruments - fiddle, scrub board, accordian, and te fer (cajun triangle).
        folk music is primarily singing and harmony.
        originally, folk music was something that was passed verbally from
generation to generation.  because of this, traditional folk music was
subject to vast changes and interpretations.  gospel is considered a form of
folk music as is afro-american blues.
        traditional folk music is also characterized by the instruments
used.  things like the scrub board, fiddle, jug, homemade percussion
instruments, banjo, mandolin, bazouki's and the like ;)
        but to make a long story short, with mass media, cd's, tapes and the
like, things have changed for folk music (even the arcadians in louisiana
are having a difficult time preserving their charming subculture in today's
homogeneous society).
        woody guthrie (arlo's daddy) is often considered the father of
american folk music (pre-contemporary).  back to grolier's encyclopedia:

        "guthrie, woody (woodrow wilson "woody" guthrie), b. okemah, okla.,
july 14, 1912, d. oct. 4, 1967, was a folksinger and songwriter who
represents for later generations the quintessential folk poet.  guthrie was
an itinerant laborer and wandering musician in his youth, and his works -
more than 1,000 songs - reflect his life-long involvement with such issues
as unemployment and social injustice.  they include *dust bowl ballads*, 12
records made in the 1930's for the library of congress folk song archive;
political and union songs; songs in support of new deal projects and the
american war effort; and many children's songs.  "this land is your land" is
perhaps his most famous work."

btw mr. woody guthrie has been posthumously nominated for a grammy
award this year for "this land is your land" in the category of children's
songs.

i hope this was of some help.

tony

i'm really sorry for the waste of bw, but my computer has been freaking out
and i lost the address of the person who offered to give the michelle malone
cd for $3 to the first person who responded... (wow--run on sentence...) i'm
sorry, i can't remember your name. anyway, just give it to the next person in
line as i'm not sure i'll have access to my email in the next couple of days
and i don't think i'd be able to get the money to you by this weekend. sorry!!

>in at least one other emily tune, of course...galileo. the lines about
fear
>of motion and someone else (herself in another life is the allusion, i
think)
> maybe crashing their airplane in another life and now she has this
fear.

maybe emily is the reincarnation of amelia earhart? i'd like to hope
that amelia did not crash anywhere...but she *has been missing for
something like 60 years

love,
carol

ps--did ya notice amelia & emily soung somwhat alike? weird....

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it's me again, the old crabby ass coming outta lurkdom to commandeer the list
from the teenie-boppers of the month.  oh, that's sure to get me flamed, isn't
it?  hehehe <g>  oh, well...  the point of my rambles is this: friday, january
9th, is the anniversary of the birth of jen lucero, the most important person
in my life.  so, while she is 800+ miles away from me (and skiing in upstate
new york, the weasel!), would you please join me in flooding her e-mailbox
(jlucero@mail.monmouth.com) with happy birthday wishes?

thank you. now back to our regularly scheduled list stuff.
dee

while we're still sorta on the subject of ptntf, i was wondering if
anybody ever heard the version that's on a compilation cd called
"stanley, son of theodore: yet another alternative music sampler"?  it's
a really raw live version, lots of amy screaming and such.  what struck me
the most is how strange of a compilation it is.  ig on the same cd with the
likes of cyprus hill, public enemy, fishbone and the shamen?  wow.  so,
anyway, it's a sony release from 1992, ek47304.  inside the booklet is a
little picture of the girls and it says: "a scintillating live rendition
of a much-loved song from the indigo girls' 1990 album n*i*s".  no date
of performance or venue is listed.  then there's a little quote from amy:
        "this song deals with alienation and the way we sometimes numb
ourselves to things...obviously the needle suggests a drug analogy, but
it's also like the needle on a meter.  but it's a symbol, not a literal
usage like neil young's 'the needle and the damage done'. it's about the
things people do to numb themselves to the pain of their situation".
        do any of the die-hards know of this version or any info about when
and where the recording is from?

ta ta
gregg

i'm subscribed to outvoice email list, and this came across today. see the ig
content below.

michelle

date: thu, 08 jan 1998 14:52:08 -0800
from: outvoice!! <outvoice-publish@queernet.org>
subject: outvoice!! best of '97 (1/4/98 -1/10/98)

outvoice!! january 4-january 10, 1998

the *official* best of 1997

     1997 saw some inroads for gays on the music chart, but interestly
enough it was heterosexuals singing about gays who drew the most attention.
most notably was r&b singer peggy scott-adams who got lots of press and
sold lots of albums thanks to a song called "bill," about a woman whose
husband had an affair with a man.  an indian-born british bloke named jyoti
mishra found top 40 success with an androgynous ditty called "your woman"
which had the white town male vocalist singing from a female point of view.
many other  hetero-identified acts took on gay issues as well:  bloodhoung
gang's "i wish i was queer so i could get chicks," reel big fish's "she has
a girlfriend now," john forster's "in the closet" and janet jackson's "free
xone" to name just a few.  even gospel artists angie & debbie winans got
into the act, with a notoriously homophobic tune called "not natural."

     elton john continued to be the leading gay male receiving airplay...
he surpassed his own phenomenal fame when he performed and recorded "candle
in the wind '97," for the funeral of princess diana.  the song still sits
at #1 on the u.s. charts after debuting there on october 11th and has
become the biggest-selling single in history.  the leading gay female act
on the air was the indigo girls who continued to perform their famous brand
of folk-rock to a wide and varied audience.

here's another excerpt from an outvoice post i received.

michelle

forwarded from: rebelsax <rebelsax@aol.com>

good news!!!!
for immediate release!!!!!
the good people of connecticut are enjoying the sounds of alan darcy and
his cd "from the heart" as his music wafts out from their radio's into
their air!! ( is "wafts " a word????) anyway, i'm forwarding the playlist
from wpkn in connecticut. not too far down from the top you'll see the 7th
cut off alan's cd-"if i ever lose my faith in you"
today connecticut - tomorrow the world!!!!!
my continued thanks to all your support! it's all of you out their
listening and buying my album that makes my success possible. thanks!:) if
you have the time check out their website and email them! just click on the
blue hyperlink!
cheers!
- -alan <a href="http://www.wpkn.org/wpkn/amazon/index.html">amazon radio!
</a>

amazon radio! play list 1/6/98

sweet honey in the rock | every woman
believe i'll run on...see what the end's gonna be (redwood)

michele malone | dimming soul
        beneath the devil moon   (velvel)
indigo girls | scooter boys
        shaming of the sun  (sony)
the kinsey sicks | worry
        dragapella   (the kinsey sicks)
joules graves | womba
        plunge  (rabble rouser records)
swamp mama johnson | voodoo angel
        peachfish stew   (bmsa records)

alan darcy | if i ever lose my faith in you
        from the heart  (rebel records)
dave hall | colors don't run
        playin' the man  (giuseppejoe)
pele juju | magic
        pele juju live  (lava tunes records)
toshi reagon | wait a minute
        kindness   (smithsonian folkways)
catie curtis | i don't cry anymore
        catie cutis  (guardian records)
ana egge | bless me mother
        river under the road  (lazy s.o.b. recordings)

white rose political calendar

corady and the curious | jump start
        naked  (envy records)
zrazy | come out everybody
        come out everybody   (pure records)
ani difranco | gravel
        living in clip  (righteous babe music)
fem 2 fem | obsession
        lesbian favorites: women like us  (rhino)

k.d. lang | my last cigarette
        drag  (warner brothers)
the great white mystical brotherhood | tribute to an angel
        the daniel murphy project  (positive action label)
diane ponzio | those eyes
        live at master sound  (soulfeggio music)

sftwobw - what is the 10km song that goes "when a boy was a boy and a girl
was a girl.." i'm stuck!
thanks
lori

hi everyone,
i'm new to list and am really enjoying it so far. i've been a fan of the ig
for about 5 years now. i have two questions that i hope some of you can
answer. feel free just to send the reply's to remlover11@aol.com to avoid
clogging up the list.

1. does anyone know the lineup so far for lilith fair '98 (i know indigo
girls is on it but i'm wondering about other artists)

2. is there really a womynfest? if so where and when is it, what types of
bands play (women i know)? just basic information.

thanks everyone!
chrisy

hey y'all. a thought popped into my head tonight while at the cd store. i
have long been a beatles fan. amy, in my opinion, can be compared to john
lennon. she's mysterious, sometimes misunderstood, an activist, the
"leader" type, etc. emily reminds me of paul mccartney. she is quiet,
introspective, her songs reflect her personality (you know what i mean),
the more passive one. also, together lennon/mccartney are brilliant
singers/songwriters, and amy and emily are brilliant together. in both
cases, it has been speculated that none of the artists's careers would have
been as successful as if they had worked individually. i just thought of
this and it seems to have a lot of holes right now. does anyone see it? let
me know. thanks.

christy :)

hi everyone,
i'm looking for the setlist of the kettering ohio june 13, 1997 show. if
anyoone knows it or a website i can find it on please email me privately
thanks,

chrisy

songs of empowerment--
for some reason, emily's songs have always tended to reach me more,
probably b/c i think a lot like the way she writes.  songs like southland
and virginia woolf just make my guts ache, and songs like h&n and gotm make
me want to dance a merry little jig.  don't get me wrong--amy's stuff kicks
just as much ass.  i just don't have the connection that i do with em's
stuff.  the amster sure knows how to rock the house, though, doesn't she?
;)

on hand me downs--
this was one of bethany and i's first songs that we learned--we sorta
played it into the ground, right beth? :) i've always loved it, but like
most of you, was pretty much clueless as to what it meant. i really
appreciated all of ya'll sharing your ideas--it's a lot clearer to me now!
thanks!!

i am so excited that scooter boys and michelle malone are getting
airtime!!!  have you all picked up "beneath the devil moon"?  if not, run
to the first cd store you come to--it is soooooo good.  in fact, i can't
find mine right now--anxiety attack!  if and when you do get it, in the
weeds and devil moon are my faves--damn, she's good.

one other thing about southland...does it make anyone else's heart hurt
when that fiddle plays right after em sings, "played our hearts out all
night long in new orleans." deeeeeeeeeear god, that makes me want to bawl,
and i don't even know why! oh, what the girls can do to me...

oh, by the way, thanks to the 8 billion of you who forwarded me the
"lesbians vs. dykes" thing! you guys are so nice--within 2 minutes i had,
like, 10 copies!

well, i'll probably post again before the night is over, but this one's
long enough for now!

hey, bethany, email me or call me or something, you big ho!! :)

"and so it was for you when the river eclipsed your life, and sent your
soul like a message in a bottle to me and it was my rebirth." (e. saliers)

shannon

hey everyone,

happy 1998 all! hope you all had a great time over the holiday
season. i'm back a few days early, with a mountain of dirty
laundry, a new vcr, two dozen new t-shirts and an unbelievable
amount of unread email.

random notes:
- the great wall of china is really, *really* big.  and *cold*,
        this time of year.
- you can find dar williams and susan werner cds in both
        singapore and hong kong (china).  and i was shocked and
        happy to find the new mongrels cd for sale in hong kong
        too!
- "scream 2" is a great movie.

anyway. *grin*

i just deleted almost 18mb of mail (i'm not kidding), but i
haven't had time yet to actually respond to any personal/admin
messages, or even to read any of the list mail from while i was
gone.  i'll try to get through it all this afternoon but i can't
guarantee anything, since i still have about 200 messages to
read and/or respond to.  but, if you mailed me since december
22nd i promise i'll try to get back to you sometime in the next
24 hours.  i'm sure i'll also be posting lots of catching-up
messages as i wade through my backlog of list mail...

okey-doke, that's all for now. happy happy all, and i'm glad
to be back. :)
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"when you wake up from this night, oh yes there'll be a morning;
the sun's gonna be shining bright, with new ideas dawning.
and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

i just wanted to share a little story with all of you about one of the
coolest dudes around....
a while back one o' my good friends told me about a concert that she
attended - i believe it was bob dylan with ani difranco...anyhoo, she
said that during one o' bob dylan's numbers there was this *reaaaally*
long instrumental interlude and he fell asleep against one of the
amplifiers.  they had to wake him up before they went on...cuz well,
he's bob dylan, and without him, there'd be no show.  :)
anyhow, for a long time i had a lot of animosity toward that dude and i
just couldn't explain it!  perhaps it was the fact that his voice bugged
me...or that he was just too damned old or something.  i don't know, but
my opinion has changed! maybe i just feel sorry for him cuz he can't
stay awake long enough to finish a concert???? for whatever reason, i've
just come to the conclusion that he's a happenin' man -  and i can't
help but think about that fact that without him there would be no amy
singing "all along the watchtower."  that's enough to make me love him!
as for the grammy's, i haven't heard his new album...only stuff about
it.  sounds good though, i might just have to look into it....

later alligators!
bethany :)

>the part i don't completely understand in the context of the rest of the
>>song is the refrain. is she really hopeful about "emptiness bringing
>>fullness" etc.?

the way i see this is that she's hoping that emptiness, or loneliness will
somehow make her stronger or fuller.
-kate

grnpeace@fullnet.com

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"majoring in religion, listening to t.v. evangelists interpret the
scriptures and dictate my offerings- i found my god in myself,
around myself- in every moment and piece of matter.
everything is animate." a. ray

"don't critisize what you can't understand." b.dylan
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

well, there is a michigan womyn's music fest...
let's see, last year, dar williams, gretchen phillips, and a bunch of
others...
:-) karen

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"if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
--indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
--indigo girls (amy)

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu                 s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu
                       indigodar@aol.com
           http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/~klrosenb/

east asian studies political science
major minor
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which we weren't, but at any rate....

tomorrow (january 9) is the birthday of the illustrious suzanne glass, who
*some* of us worship as a goddess secondary only to amy and emily.

everyone should send get well wishes, spitballs, cheese balls, etc. to her at
sglass@ghp.net

she hasn't told me how old she's going to be, but i'm given to understand it's
a horrific number that i dare not even contemplate....

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
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"it all comes," said rabbit sternly, "of eating too much.  i
thought," said rabbit, "only i didn't like to say anything,"
said rabbit, "that one of us was eating too much," said
rabbit, "and i knew it wasn't _me_," he said.  "well, well,
i shall go and fetch christopher robin."
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hey folks,

thanks to mark for posting the auction to the list..for those of you who
aren't in on the $40 bid, i'd be willing to provide the same items - the
get out the map promo single and the calender for $30 including postage.
mail hamilton@bayflash.stpt.usf.edu if you missed out on the bidding.
we are fortunate ones,
joe

on thu, 8 jan 1998, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:

> well here is the latest
>
> ---------- forwarded message ----------
> date: thu, 8 jan 1998 13:32:02 -0800 (pst)
> from: the cd list guy <searchme@earthlink.net>
> to: mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
> subject: re: list date: 01/07/98 -part i
>
> >i sent the auction part to the indigo girls mailing list so hopeuyflly you
> >will get some good bids from there
>
> thanks md, i appreciate it, things are going well, it's up to $40!
>
> take care,
>
> matthew, cd guy
>
> --
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>

hi y'all.  okay, so everyone says 1 2 3 is one of their least favorites,
but i like it.  i was wondering why people have so much disdain for this
song.  how does everyone interperate it?

secondly, i'd love to get a discussion of scooter boys going here. that
is by far my fave from sots. i found what amy had to say about the song
in _curve_ to be really interesting.

:-) karen

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"if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
--indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
--indigo girls (amy)

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu                 s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu
                       indigodar@aol.com
           http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/~klrosenb/

east asian studies political science
major minor
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--- chrisy wrote:
2. is there really a womynfest? if so where and when is it, what types of
bands play (women i know)? just basic information.
--- end of quote ---
the closest thing to an actual womynfest (minus the sarcasm and the jokes about
incense and granny skirts) is the michigan womyn's music festical which is held
every year in central michigan, i believe in june.

the festival, which is open only to "womyn born womyn" (you know what
means...my sorority sister mike brenner cant go! ;)) features women musicians
and bands and has a wide range of performers from folk folks like the iggies
(altho they have never played and have said they won't ) all the way to my fave
bands of musical riotbabes like the lunachicks and tribe 8....

i'd love to go and every year i ask if anyone's interested in roadtripping with
me....maybe 98 is the year!!! my only requirements: you have to out up with
speed-demon driving, cheesepuffs in ten pound bags, and me applying lipstick in
the rearview! cmon board friends!!

xoxo, sus

--- i wrote:
>the festival, which is open only to "womyn born womyn" (you know what
>means...my sorority sister mike brenner cant go! ;))
--- end of quote ---

ummm friends, i didn't mean ot be insensitive to the issues of the transgender
community and others when i wrote this...seriously. it's an injoke, like about
99% of my shit, and i meant it only the best of spirits.... sorry for the
crassness!

:(
sus

hey folks,

by any chance do any of you happen to have a copy of the pnc bank & arts
center show from june 5th, '97? if so, please e-mail me, i have been looking
for this boot forever....

thanks,
liz

okay, bear with me for thirty more sceonds and i'll promise to shut my trap!

it was also pointed out to me that the rule for going to the mwmf truly _is_
"womyn born womyn" only....meaning that only women who were born women can go,
and that means no pre-op transsexuals or boys over the age of 8.

i do not wish to debate the fairness of this...it's their rule, not mine....but
i did want to make sure everyone knows that while i was kidding about mikey
brenner going, the rule *is* hard and fast and has been argued over for
years....

i'm still goin' this year...so that's all i wanted to say

buh bye

susib

hey kids-
sorry to bother, but i just got this forward from the afa (american family
assoc?) that really offended me. instead of posting the whole thing,
here's just a snip...

"in what trip organizers called "a remarkably homophobic act of
inhospitality," cayman islands officials have denied port access to a
caribbean cruise ship booked
to capacity with 900 gay travelers."

the letter i got also contained an article from _usa today_ and the email
address of the person that made this decision. the afa is encouraging
writing to this address in order to congratulate him on the stupid rights
violation. i'll forward it to anoyone who asks- maybe we can make a
difference by writing too (outweigh the negativity)?
thanks everyone..
love,
anne hill

those of you looking for more information can check out their website
http://www.michfest.com/

gynergy
"going down the river,sometimes fast,sometimes slow
oh,what a gift it is to always know which way to go." erica wheeler

i personally love this song!  aaaaah!  it took me a little while to warm
up to it, but after a few listens, i was hooked.  whoever posted about
it...i'm lovin' it right along with ya' babe!
anyhow...my favorite moment would have to be when chris mcguire comes
bustin' in  with the "basement lies within us" verse...can we say
chills?  <ooooh!>

-bethany ;)

hey folks,

here's the big list i mentioned earlier. note this is not an auction..the
prices are listed. let me know if you have any questions.

cds
---
least complicated (promo) cd single  - $9
least complicated/dead man's hill/mystery - austria import - $20
least complicated/dead man's hill - austria sleeve pak - $20
closer to fine/history of us/center stage - import sleeve pak - $20
closer to fine - 1989 promo - $30
hammer and nail (promo) cd single - $15
land of canaan - promo cd single - rare - $30
touch me fall - promo digipak cd single - $14
power of two - boys on the side promo cd single - $12
joking (promo) cd single - $14
bury my heart at wounded knee/(live)/thin line cd single - $12
shame on you - promo cd single - $12
three hits e.p. - $32
watershed/watershed & a a the watchtower (live) -
        used (little cracks in jewel case..disc is fine) $25
        sealed - $30
i don't wanna talk about it - $12
closer to fine cardboard digi pack promo w/ butterfly (import)
        w/ bio sticker $sold
        no bio sticker $18
galileo jewel case promo - (not the digipak!) - $20
galileo promo digi pak - couple dings on case - disc is fine - $15
rites of passage digi pak - $45
4.5 promo digi pak - rare - $60

samplers featuring ig songs
---------------------------
siren song - sealed - w/ closer to fine $13
deadicated - w/ uncle john's band - $12
theodore - alternative sampler - kid fears *live* - $14 sale $12
stanley, son of theodore - w/ pushing the needle *live* - $12
tame yourself - w/ i'll give you my skin - $14
pick this - w/ ghost - $15
hitchhiker exampler #2 - w/ southland in the springtime - $18
k's choice promo e.p. w/ rockin' in the free world - $15
honor - 2 disc set - promo sticker - $16
jesus christ superstar - a resurrection - 2 disc - $15

other folks (more indigo below though!)

sarah mclachlan - into the fire (2 versions) - promo - $20
sarah mclachlan - building a mystery (2 versions) sleeve pak - $12
ferron - still riot - new (sealed) - $12
tracy chapman - new beginnings - new (sealed) - $12
joni mitchell - hits - promo sleeve pak (full album) - $18
luscious jackson - fever in fever out - new - $12
shawn colvin - wish you were here - sealed sleeve pak - $12
ani difranco - dilate - sealed promo - $12
ani difranco - in or out - sealed promo - $12
melissa etheridge - brave and crazy sealed 12" vinyl - $12
michelle shocked - fact and fiction 4 song sampler - $12
10,000 maniacs - in my tribe 12" vinyl w/ peace train - $12
10,000 maniacs - secrets of the i ching - w/ nat. ed. week - make offer
ellen james society - sealed reluctanly we vinyl - w/ amy ray - $20

vinyl

closer to fine - promo 7" - $22
closer to fine/cold as ice 7" - $22
strangefire  - w/ radio station tab label - $20
4 song e.p. w/ctf, kid fears, center stage, p of darkness - has pink
    opening for r.e.m. tourdates sticker - i have 2 - one has writing on
    the sticker (random words) - $25 without writing - $sold
indigo girls  - $15
indigo girls (promo)  - $20
swamp ophelia lp - import - unsigned - $32
swamp ophelia lp - sealed - personally signed by the indigo girls - $30
swamp ophelia autographed green vinyl - $40
rites of passage white label test pressing - $40

other stuff

rites of passage tour program - $22
1995 honor the earth poster - indian woman w/ earth and tour dates - $16
ig honor the earth official tour shirts - natural (tan) color. swamp
ophelia album cover on front and tour dates on back (xl) - $15
ig honor the earth official tour shirts - black w/ rock art on front
and indigo girls/earth/tour dates on back (l) - $15
indigo girls - a video yearbook - promo - $25

postage is extra (usually about $3 or $4)
we are fortunate ones,
joe
hamilton@stpt.usf.edu
http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones

nice discussion on this song. however, one thing still eludes me...

"the cat that has died"

what's that about? is this a reference to amy's cat that died of leukemia, that she wrote "secure yourself" about? how does a dead cat portray how we _humans_ push things too far? anyone have a clue?

barb, who is an unfortunately allergic cat lover...

...but would they want to sing about life in a northern town? they sure
do love their southern homes!!
love,
carol

>>"life in a northern town"- the
>>tune from dream academy back in the 80's- (ya'll remember the 80's
right? :)
>>harmonies in the chorus are really beautiful. i can see them doing
this with
>>sarah mclachlan, michelle malone... just a thought.
>
>and what a good thought indeed!
>i'm singing in my head now (hey um um um ah!) and can
>hear both girls just a sayngin' away. beautiful, simply beautiful.
>

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hi all!

this is just a little note to find out if anyone in the ann arbor area feels
like getting together this weekend for something excruciatingly fun and
enjoyable (yeah it's a lot to live up to but i'm sure carol and sarah will think
of something good!).  so all of you listees who surfaced after the ann arbor
boot was announced...show yourselves!  e-mail me if you're free sometime in the
next few days.  thanks...

marivel

"i like being gay. but i would like
being straight if i were straight too.
i like it you know. i like the idea of
having intimate relationships with anybody."

--a.r.

i'm not so sure that sarah & i know too much of a2 'cuz we don't
normally have wheels (we only have a vehicle 'til saturday afternoon),
but we could sucessfully get us lost in ann arbor because no trip to ann
arbor is complete unless it takes us 30 mins to get onto washtenaw from
downtown ann arbor.but something has to be fun to do....

love,
  carol
>hi all!
>
>this is just a little note to find out if anyone in the ann arbor area
feels
>like getting together this weekend for something excruciatingly fun and
>enjoyable (yeah it's a lot to live up to but i'm sure carol and sarah
will think
>of something good!).  so all of you listees who surfaced after the ann
arbor
>boot was announced...show yourselves!  e-mail me if you're free
sometime in the
>next few days.  thanks...
>
>marivel

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hi michelle.  i left town today and i wanted to tell you i forgot to put
your envelope in the mail.  i will be back sunday so i will mail the
check and sase on monday morning.  sorry.
sorry for the nigc, but didn't have your addy w/ me.
toye

hey y'all,

i recall reading not too long ago someone's inquiry
about the compilation women's work.  one word for you:
awesome!!  i love compilations because they allow a music
lover exposure to various new and old artists and provide
a myriad of sounds and musical styles for a bit of diversity
in your listening.   i have to admit that i get a bit bored
sometimes listening to all indigo girls cds all the time.
a wonderful aspect about this list and the girls is that they have
introduced me to so many other wonderful singer-songwriters.
i've branched out to artists such as catie curtis, michelle
malone, caroline aiken, dar williams, ani difranco,
shawn colvin (her old stuff too), wendy bucklew, lift,
disappear fear, cheryl wheeler, ferron, kennedy rose,
k.d. lang, sarah mclachlan.....ah, the list is quite endless.

compilations allow you to branch out in the same way.
so, i wanted to post my favorite compilations that i've come
in contact with this year after getting on the ig list.  maybe
newbies or even old-hats looking to get a taste of other
stuff might benefit.  (this is a small list; there are so many
more great cds.  these are just my faves.)

boys on the side - my first exposure to ig; the entire cd rocks
shelter - a double cd set featuring a helluva lot of great
   singer-songwriters, mostly of the folk genre (from
   putumayo, a great company with great compilation releases)
women live from mountain stage - k.d. lang, ig......great lineup, all
live
   and unplugged!
amazing grace - benefit for cancer, my most recent buy - the
   name says it all!  features bob marley doing redemption song,
   you know, the one amy sings in concert and everyone can't figure
   out what song they're hearing
women's work - one of my all-time faves; i can listen to this over,
   and over and over and over and over.....

the one i haven't purchased yet is women like us...lesbian
favorites. the lineup on that one is clearly outstanding.
this weekend, she's mine!!!

lisa s.

hey folks,

i'm not feeling so great (jetlag + no sleep yay), so this may
not be too coherent. but i'm still wadin' through the mail
from the last three weeks, so let's see what we've got...

okay, here's the first admin note for the year: please, folks,
don't quote other peoples' entire messages when you're replying
to the list! you should try to cut out any headers and
signatures, along with as much other irrelevant text as you can.
otherwise, we have to scroll through text we've already read
again - this is particularly annoying for digest subscribers.
thanks.

on christmas day, rick sayre said:
>from... "doolittle" which we can do all day), and dan bern's "dog boy van".
>which um, has absolutely no connection to the indigo girls. <grin>

not entirely true, rick!  dan bern is touring australia next
march with dar williams and ani difranco.  ani and dar have
both performed with the girls.  and, i'll be seeing ani+dar+dan
and ig within days of each other in feb/march.  so there you
go. :)

next - deb mentioned the dvd release of "watershed". does
anyone know if it's going to be released on vcd at any point?

then, on jan 4 shufa nasser asked:
>>now how would a listee in australia or japan or chiapas for that
>>matter be able to answer this?....
>> "who is the multi-instrumentalist on the sots summer tour?"

to which tony replied:
> question #1 could be answered directly from the ig list faq:

hehe, maybe i'm overtired but i find this hilarious because
that particular faq answer was actually written by me (overtired
half-sick jetlagged little australian thingy :). but anyway...

also on jan 4, bonnie wrote about "pushing the needle":
>the queen that closed the door (when of course a queen should be
accessible to
>her subjects), the family that lied - gee i wish i had all the lyrics here so

someone else mentioned suzanne vega's "the queen and the soldier"
a couple of weeks ago.  am i hallucinating it or didn't someone
about two years ago come up with a quote or something from amy
saying that the queen in "pushing the needle" is actually the
*same* queen as in suzanne vega's song?  (did that sentence make
sense?  probably not - i'm listening to enya which isn't helping
to keep me awake. :)

okay, that's all for this message. i'll write more in a minute.

ta,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"when you wake up from this night, oh yes there'll be a morning;
the sun's gonna be shining bright, with new ideas dawning.
and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

the iggies
> (altho they have never played and have said they won't )
why is this?
==
i thank the lord there's people out there like you i thank
the lord there's people out there like you...
leaving aint fair and parting aint just,but hey..
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no match for the predators of pain inside her---emily saliers
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just one more thing about this...........

on 1/7, 10:30pm kc1 wrote:

>hey!
> melissa etheridge and kd lang got more screen time...it's not
fair!!!!!!

it was great to see a&e on the show and i do thank ellen for featuring
them. but it would have been nice to have them at least sing the short
theme song in the beginning or have an outtake at the end.

debbie 8-)

due to circumstances,im afraid i cant continue.
this is starting to sound like a suicide note.
:(..<----those are tears not drool.
im going to miss.
if any one ever needs anything,ill probably check this
account about one a week or so.
when you are driving and youve got galileo or your favourite
empowerment song on full blast and you are singing at the top of your
lungs and everybody is staring or laughing in neighbouring
cars....know that this is what it means to be a listee...to feel
empowered....to know the indigo girls is to love them and yourself to
dissolve the stones but keep one in your heart...remember me.

love.

hey folks, me again. i just woke up from a nap with my cat and
i'm actually about to go right back to sleep, so this might not
make too much sense...

first up - linda kuill asked:
>i read somewhere that 1200 curfews had a booklet that contained hand written
>comments from a&e about the songs etc, is this correct as the copy i have
>doesn't have this. if so any suggestions on where i can get a copy with the
>booklet?

all the us copies of 1200c came with the booklet, but not the
version released in australia (the slimline 2 cd pack). same deal
as n*i*s - the australian version of that doesn't have lyrics etc
either...

secondly - people i owe mail to - all 50 of them. i will mail you
tomorrow! right now i'm too too too tired... oh, also, anna
hidalgo - you really should drop me a note one of these days... :)

next - bumper stickers etc.

on jan 4 kirsten chevalier said:
>at 2:52 pm -0500 1/4/98, iu doremi wrote:
>>we can't use any lyrics or pictures
>>created by the girls (or tattoo artists) if they are copyrighted and i know
>>that they all are.
>
>hmm? the list t-shirts that were created in summer '96 used lyrics (with a
>disclaimer that copyrights remained with amy & emily.)

yes, but simply having the disclaimer on the shirt wasn't good
enough, as it turned out.  at the hampton beach show on the '96
demo tour deb reiser (deb!  deb!  welcome back deb!!!!) gave two
of the list shirts to russell carter to be passed to amy and
emily.  at that time russell made it clear that he didn't approve
of the use of the lyrics on the shirt.  so, no lyrics on future
list projects.  ditto for pictures and album covers, which also
fall under copyright.

on jan 5, mary clark added:
>and get em printed up and not worry so darn much. if we ever get sued for
>copyright infringement, i will take the blame. i will say it was all my
>fault, i told you it was okay, and you all followed me like lemmings.
>this has turned into a "indigo girl legal issues" list.

well, personally i think that as fans who respect amy and
emily, we should also respect the legal issues involved.  sure,
it would be lovely to be able to put lyrics or album covers or
whatever on a bumper sticker for your car.  and yes, maybe we
could go ahead and print up a million of them and never get
sued.  maybe not.  but the fact of the matter is that the lyrics
and the album covers fall under copyright.  they belong to amy
and emily and unless we're given express permission otherwise
from ig management, we should respect that.

now, wearing my listowner hat - my general opinion on the bumper
sticker thing.  what do i think?  well, i think it could be a
good thing.  in the past these sorts of projects have usually
done wonders for list spirit etc.  or, even if the bumper
stickers don't go ahead then maybe the shirt project could get
started again (where's that at ,deb r?).  however, i do think
that some of the slogans proposed for the stickers so far are
too political.  leaving politics out entirely would probably
be a safer course.  and yes, trying to pick a truly global
slogan would probably increase the sticker's appeal as well.

i'm too tired to say more at the moment, so i'll just leave that
at that for now and hope it made sense.

just further to that - on jan 6, rick hodgin said:
>i know the ig e-mail list says "no binaries" but i think this might
>fall into an exception category??? *crossing fingers* especially
>if we sent them as jpeg's less than 40k or so each. we send to the
>list once and everyone gets it. :)

nope, sorry. no binaries means just that. the best way to
distribute files like that is to find a distribution site,
ftp, www or even something like gopher, and give people
directions to retrieve the files from there...

okay, i really have to go get some sleep before i pass out
right here. sorry to all the people i didn't get a chance
to email today - i promise i'll get back to you tomorrow!

cheers,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"when you wake up from this night, oh yes there'll be a morning;
the sun's gonna be shining bright, with new ideas dawning.
and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

--- you wrote:
the iggies
> (altho they have never played and have said they won't )
why is this?
--- end of quote ---

amy has been quoted in the past as being particularly uncomfy with the concept
of a no-men-allowed concert fest.... and while some pretty now- mainstream
folks have played at the fest (michelle shocked and ani difranco for two) , i
think there is concern about being stigmatized as a raging feminist if you play
there (and thus, unwelcoming to male fans).

susita, proud to be a raging feminist...also planning to unveil her band
,"size queen", at the mwmf in 2009. right? ;)

i'm in the process of typing this cover sheet out if anyone wants is.
i have disc one finished and am working on disc two and the credits.

so far disc one is 5 typed pages ... it's amazing how much they can
cram onto that little insert. * note: no lyrics here, just the text
about the songs, where it was recorded, who played what and then emily
and amy's notes.

- rick

i've noticed on the upper-right most picture in the 1200c insert a
pic with amy and a guy with long hair and a gou-tee??sp??. is amy
smoking in this picture? i didn't know she smoked.

- rick

on fri, 9 jan 1998, susan b. marine wrote:

> --- you wrote:
> the iggies
> > (altho they have never played and have said they won't )
> why is this?
> --- end of quote ---
>
> amy has been quoted in the past as being particularly uncomfy with the concept
> of a no-men-allowed concert fest.... and while some pretty now- mainstream
> folks have played at the fest (michelle shocked and ani difranco for two) , i
> think there is concern about being stigmatized as a raging feminist if you play
> there (and thus, unwelcoming to male fans).

someone on this list told me ages ago that ig don't play it because they
don't like the "exclusionary atmosphere" at that particular festival -
it's not really because they're afraid of being stereotyped. (and they
don't need to play michigan to get stereotyped, some already do this
anyway.) also remember that not only do they almost invariably tour with
a male drummer (either jerry marotta or michael lorant), but at least some
of their crew are male - these people would have to be left behind at the
gates, which would present considerable difficulties.

i also suspect that the festival's "womyn born womyn" policy is against
everything the igs have stood for over the past five years, but don't
quote me on that.

mat

--- matthew wrote:
someone on this list told me ages ago that ig don't play it because they
don't like the "exclusionary atmosphere" at that particular festival -
it's not really because they're afraid of being stereotyped. (and they
don't need to play michigan to get stereotyped, some already do this
anyway.)

**right you are matthew, but i do know that some artists have declined playing
michigan for this reason (like chrissie hynde)...she doesn't want to be
associated with the concept or the label.

also remember that not only do they almost invariably tour with
a male drummer (either jerry marotta or michael lorant), but at least some
of their crew are male - these people would have to be left behind at the
gates, which would present considerable difficulties.

**sure, unless they did the acoustic gig whihc they used to do all the time and
which i really miss! and others too i think!

i also suspect that the festival's "womyn born womyn" policy is against
everything the igs have stood for over the past five years, but don't
quote me on that.

mat

**guess we can only guess based on what we know huh? maybe someday one of us
will get to ask em again...to clarify

sus

hey all,

i was at our glb bookstore a few days ago, and they still had a couple
of jan. curves. i didn't pick up any extras, partly because i didn't
have enough cash :) and partly because i was not sure how many of you
would still be interested. the thing is i live in the netherlands, so
shipping would cost a bit more. still, i would be happy to pick up some
more copies for y'all if you want me to. e-mail me privately if you are
interested!

love,
wen.

> i've noticed on the upper-right most picture in the 1200c insert a
> pic with amy and a guy with long hair and a gou-tee??sp??. is amy
> smoking in this picture? i didn't know she smoked.

hey i noticed this picture a while back, and after careful examination, i
think you will find that amy isn't smoking, but just wiping her face,
perhaps to brush away some crumbs, (of the healthiest variety i'm sure!)
also isn't that guy with the goatee gerard mchugh? anyone know for
sure?

kc1

> i've noticed on the upper-right most picture in the 1200c insert a
> pic with amy and a guy with long hair and a gou-tee??sp??. is amy
> smoking in this picture? i didn't know she smoked.

kc1

"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
this world was meant for me. don't bury me. carry me.

~ a. ray

"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
your while."

~ e. sailers

there's a womens music fest in indiana each june, usally it's in bloomington
on the iu campus, but last i heard it was going to be at ball state in muncie
this year due to work being done at iu.

i dont know if the auctin is still going on but here is the guys new
address and yes i do recommened getting on his list for used cds

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: thu, 8 jan 1998 23:49:13 -0800 (pst)
from: "cdlistguy@earthlink.net" <cdlistguy@earthlink.net>
to: cdlistguy@earthlink.net
subject: important: cd list guy got a new address!

i feel good....i knew that i would!

in the same spirit as vanity plates, vanity claus, and vanity mirrors, the
cd list guy now has a vanity address!

the new address for the cd list & it's guy is:

cdlistguy@earthlink.net

please make the appropriate changes, thanks!

matthew
cdlistguy@earthlink.net
---

i'm sure you all have talked about this already but i jusr have to say... i
think ig sucked on ellen the other night and i'm a huge fan. i 've seen them
5 times this year alone and hand out their discs for xmas. i was very
dissapointed. the harmonies were off, the set was cheezy, and the lighting
bad. if i were their record company,(who flew them there in a lear jet), i'd
be a bit pissed. they really have to try on the image thing at least
sometimes. i mean think of the people who have written them off as corny
dykes who could have been informed and enlightened... ah well i still love
them.

please don't waste the list on flames...kill me personally if you must

sorry for the waste of bandwidth...

could any listees living in or around davis, ca email me? thanks!
peace-nic

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i'm probably going to kick myself for this, but i'm thinking about
becoming actively political again and i want to get a sense of what kind
of beliefs people in a liberal forum like this hold dear.  i think it
would be really interesting to know the breakdown of ig listers politics.
  so, (drum roll)
please take some time to e-mail me at mclark@ramapo.edu with the subject
line "politics", and include your political affiliation (democrat,
republican, communist, democratic socialist, green party, etc...or, if you
have none, say that) the most important issue to you (environment, gay
issues, unemployment, etc...) and whether or not you are influenced or
have been influenced by political music, specifically ig, in the formation
of your beliefs.  if the above terms don't apply to you because you
live outside the us, answer anyway, just make it clear whether your
identifying party is conservative of liberal. try to make
your answer as short as possible, and i will post the results on the 14th.
        if your response consists of more than three lines, indicate
whther or not i can quote you in the final post to the list.

thanx
mc

remember do not reply to the list address!!!!!!
mclark@ramapo.edu

hey everybody,

i'm back on e-mail after a lovely week in balmy ny state (it hit *60* in
western ny - thats just wrong!) it was *wonderful* being with my gf
again after four months on different continents, not to mention our gs
camp staff reunion: the first cd played (and the 2nd, before someone
changed it to fleetwood mac) was sots, both discs of 1200 curfews were
played too. i love my camp! someone kindly brought a guitar for me since
i didn't take one on the ugly eight hour bus ride, too. i don't think it
left my hands the entire weekend.
fyi, there's a little music store in binghamton with a *big* collection
of imports and bootlegs for sale - no ig any of the times i've checked,
but melissa etheridge, tori amos, lots o' others ...
speaking of ptn (one of my favorite songs of all), i have some friends
who wrote a hilarious spoof that i don't remember most of, called
"pushing the goddess to drink", about hothead paisan, the dyke cartoon
character. my favorite line is "i've met the queen and understand why/he
dresses in drag"
ok, i'm gonna go now...

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

>"in what trip organizers called "a remarkably homophobic act of
>inhospitality," cayman islands officials have denied port access to a
>caribbean cruise ship booked
>to capacity with 900 gay travelers."

now if you ask me it's the cayman islands that lose out.  i mean think of
all the money they lost by not allowing the boat to dock.  i don't know if
you've ever seen 900 gay men in a touristy town--hello open wallets--i have
and let's just say they lost a lot of money.  sucks for the cayman islands.

back into mini-lurking

>>"in what trip organizers called "a remarkably homophobic act of
>>inhospitality," cayman islands officials have denied port access to a
>>caribbean cruise ship booked
>>to capacity with 900 gay travelers."
>
>now if you ask me it's the cayman islands that lose out.  i mean think of
>all the money they lost by not allowing the boat to dock.  i don't know if
>you've ever seen 900 gay men in a touristy town--hello open wallets--i have
>and let's just say they lost a lot of money.  sucks for the cayman islands.

:)
this is funny- but what the afa is doing isn't.  i haven't had as many
people respond as i had hoped.  please people- don't let the cayman islands
(and the rest of the world) think this is what people want.  so i am
posting the applicable part of the glaad forward that i got.  sorry to
waste the space...  if anyone wants the usa today article, write to me and
i'll send it on.
love,
anne

i thought everyone might be interested in this lovely little e-mail from
our friends at the afa.

- bill horn
glaad
____________________________________________________________
afa action alert 1/8/98

american family association <><
dr. donald e. wildmon, president
p. o. drawer 2440
tupelo, mississippi 38803
telephone: 601/844-5036
fax: 601/844-9176
world wide web: http://www.afa.net

new: hear american family radio online live at our web site.

++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

afa applauds cayman islands for upholding standards of appropriate behavior
by turning
away ship with homosexual passengers

american family association encourages subscribers to the afa action alert
to contact
the government of the cayman islands at the following address and offer
support for
their courageous stand upholding a standard of appropriate behavior for
their islands
by turning away a ship with homosexual passengers.

attn. ms. angela martin
hon. thomas c. jefferson
minister of tourism, commerce and transportation
government administration building
grand cayman
cayman islands
telephone: 345/949-0623
fax: 345/949-4053
email: cscayman@candw.ky
mailto:cscayman@candw.ky

hello friends in ig land - lynn from seattle here...

many seattle ig listers are also making a trek down to portland after the 2
seattle shows. it just so happens that i have 5 extra tickets for the
portland show on 1/24. if anyone is interested, please email me privately.

> these are assigned floor seats, *not* general admission.
> close to the stage too!!
> it will be an end stage set-up - go check it out....
> http://www.ticketmaster.com/venue/sea/198/seat2.html
>
> the seats are as follows...
> 3 tickets in
> row 12 - seats 37 - 38 - 39
>
> 2 tickets in
> row 13 - seats 5 - 6
>
> price per ticket (face value) = $34.00 ($29.50 plus $4.50
> "convenience" charge)
>
> thank you!
> lynn
>

so, does anyone think that ig did some of those little bits of singing
and instrumental in those few moments right after commercial break that
are used for getting your attention again? i thought it might have
been.

love,
carol

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i want to thank the list for warning me about that
nasty nasty little alana davis song, you know, the
shitty cover of 32 flavors? i've been warned about
that song by both my gf and this last, and i,
unfortunately heard it a few days ago for the first
time....but at least i knew what in the hell it was.
ick!

amanda

===
feminism is the radical idea that womyn are people.

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that was my thought, but i'm not sure....
love,
carol

> also isn't that guy with the goatee gerard mchugh? anyone know for
>sure?
>

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>nice discussion on this song. however, one thing still eludes me...
>"the cat that has died"
>what's that about?

hi barb! :) (and other listees)

i think this has to do with amy's experience of high school boys dousing
cats in gasoline and then lighting them on fire, her "first experience
with true evil." this is obviously a very significant memory in her life
and is clearly a case of pushing the needle too far.

- rick

fwiw, the cayman islands are notoriously homophobic, it was not an
off-the-cuff decision on their part. any tour operator putting together a
gay cruise should know that (most travel agents who do buisness with gay
people and businesses do). i'd be equally pissed off at the tour operator
for trying to get those customers to spend money in a place with that
reputation.

road trip to colorado springs, anyone?

--
deb, who knows the advantages of having a travel agent for a wife :-)

did someone say somethign about "sarah and friends"  on cbs?  i got
delete happy and caught it just as it was disappearing.  anyone have the
onfo?  thanx-
laura

>> nice discussion on this song. however, one thing still eludes me...
>> "the cat that has died"
>> what's that about?

> i think this has to do with amy's experience of high school boys
> dousing cats in gasoline and then lighting them on fire, her "first
> experience with true evil." this is obviously a very significant
> memory in her life and is clearly a case of pushing the needle too far.

actually, if i remember correctly, amy has said that she wrote the song
after her own cat died.

peace...
--
-- mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
[aka: mel <melsouth1@hotmail.com>]

           "what a poor appearance the tales of the poets
            make stripped of the colors which music puts
            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
                - plato

that's jerry morata with the goatee, the drum player on the 1200 curfews
insert.

in a message dated 98-01-09 15:43:19 est, you write:

<< > i think this has to do with amy's experience of high school boys
> dousing cats in gasoline and then lighting them on fire, her "first
> experience with true evil." this is obviously a very significant
> memory in her life and is clearly a case of pushing the needle too far.
>>

i belive that that's what amy used in writing dead man's hill not pushing the
needle too far........

ilana

mel (as usual)..the voice of reason in a sea of digruntled voices..agree
it was great to see there smiling faces even for 39 seconds, and it was
great exposure.

and while i'm delurking might as well say -just being nominated for a
grammy is a feat, considering all the other cds that are eligible.their
misfortune to have sots released the same year dylan releases an equally
excellent cd. he may not have a voice but he does have a way with words
& music. great material for others to cover :-).

marilyn

hello!
i have 2 tix for sale for the 1/28/98 sacramento show (memorial auditorium).
they are 5th row seats 10 & 12 (yes, they are right next to
eachother...seating is even numbered).
cost: face value at 26.50 + 5.00 (in)convenience charge = $31.50 each.
if you are interested, you can mail me at this address or my aol account at
saik0@aol.com

take care!
sheri

in a message dated 98-01-08 10:07:07 est, you write:

<< what i though was cool:  the plug for human rights campaign, one
of the higher profile gay/lesbian/bi rights organizations.  while ellen
was getting her fortune read, elizabeth birch (who heads the
organization) wasin the background holding a clipboard, getting
someone's signature.  ellen;s mom was also in the background as
one of the poeple working at the hrc booth. >>

okay i'm ready for the flames but i'd much rather be late to a show
(completely missing the ig) and have rachel rosenthal read my cards! it would
be like having dali paint my portrait! five bucks... what a deal!

wearingasbestos

michelle

alright you tape recordin' maniacs!  i hope there are still some of you
left!  here's the deal...as you should already know, i'm moving off to
college on sunday, so the cover tapes that have not yet been mailed
should be sent to my new address....please e-mail me and i'll give it to
ya' slicker n' a whistle!  obviously, my e-mail address will be changing
then too.  starting monday, you can reach me at:

pbethan@bgnet.bgsu.edu

to those of you who may have already sent them and they've not yet
reached me...that's no problem - i'll probably get them tomorrow. :)
anyhooos...that's my business -

-bethany ;)

actually, it was gerard mchugh--not jerry marotta. if you've ever seen
ig's "jesus christ superstar", in which gerard plays pontius pilate--you'll
see that it's him in the picture. (jerry's a little chubbier than that ;)
)

i think that picture was probably taken when they were recording "thin
line", but don't quote me on it

okay, here's the deal. i have absolutely no ig boots, which is starting to
really depress me. some guy here at school had a bunch that he was
selling, but i thought that there was something wrong with that...i didn't
think people should really be making money off of that kinda
thing...trades are all well and good, but...anyway, i digress. my original
point was, i have a bunch of dave matthews band bootlegs, a bunch of u2
boots (including the one with the third verse to with or without
you...yum) and a few pink floyd ones. if anyone would be interested in
maybe trading some ig boots for any of the above, please email me
privately, and i'll be more than happy to give you set lists et al.
so...yeah. that's it. back to lurkdom...

meghan

*you've been through it once, you know how it ends
and you don't see the point in going through it again*

first off thanks for all the replys and offers i got from my questions. you
guys are great!

i have been seeing lots of ticket offers on the list lately? does this happen
often? any tips for getting good seats?

also can someone tell me about the official fan club, what you receive how
you get into it , etc. just basic questions.

thanks y'all.
chrisy

i think the ig stance on michigan has most definitely changed.

when i interviewed them in oct. and nov., they both said they hoped to play
michigan this summer. amy said they were hoping to invite themselves and that
it would be a bummer if the organizers said no.

i was surprised and brought up the separatist angle. emily said that at her
age she has started to realize that if women want to create a safe space for
two weeks out of the year that it was ok because there are so many unsafe
places the rest of the year.

so who knows. the girls might be coming to a womyns fest near you after all.

hey,
saw this and thought i'd send it off:

"the indigo girls were in studio in november recording guitar and vocals
segments for their contribution to an upcoming compilation album from
angel records."

that's all they had to say. does anyone know what the song might be?

smiles,
allisom

ok, hopefully this month will be the end of this stupid offer i made to the
list <only half kidding>

i currently have 15 broadcasts double cds with the ig on it (i told the list
about this a few months back). well all but 4 of them are supposedly spoken
for (i'm still waiting on 11 people to send the sase and money for them).

if you are interested, email me and i'll forward on the info to you. i am not
profitting from this, i did it as a favor to the list (as many ppl are doing
with the curve mag)

anyway, email me if interested. i really am tired of looking at them and not
wanting to see finance charges on my credit card bill from the large purchase
of them.

michelle

--- zippy me wrote:
there's a womens music fest in indiana each june, usally it's in bloomington
on the iu campus, but last i heard it was going to be at ball state in muncie
this year due to work being done at iu.
--- end of quote ---

well hooo-heeeee zippy me! that happens to be the place where i was born...and
raised...do we feel karma here folks? ;)

on an unrelated note, i just have to share because i am freaking out a
little...my entire life is a whiteout right now. literally. i live six miles
from the closed-down town of new london, nh. from here to burlington vt and
into canada, there is snow piled up to our bohinkies and the national guard
came to my house today and "escorted" (read: booted my ass out) me out of my
house. it's awful folks...there are power lines down everywhere and trees and
ice and a big old oak fell on my deck...anyways, i'm only writing all this
because there are tons of new englanders , southerners, and canadians without
power, shelter, or heat tonight and all i'm asking is please just say a little
prayer for us to the god or goddess of your choosing. the state of nh and vt
has been declared a disaster area (which it realistically should have been the
day i pulled my ryder truck across the state line!) and there are lots of
listers who need your support right now, or maybe just some comforting lyrics
from our soul sisters, or something!

if you're warm and safe and dry just keep us in yer thoughts, that's all. i
wouldn't ask if i wasn't homeless....i'm not a big fan of "let me tell my
personal problems to the list" but right now, it seems okay. hope noone's
upset. back to shoveling!

lovin ya

sus

hey all!

> i think the ig stance on michigan has most definitely changed.

anyone else thrilled to hear this news?

> emily said that at her age she has started to realize that if women want to > create a safe space for two weeks out of the year that it was ok

        you know, it occurred to me (after hearing amy mention how emily had
some concerns about being "too open" in the past) that perhaps it was
also an issue that such "women-only" festivals would be uncomfortable
for them to play while they both weren't entirely "out" as musicians.  i
mean, i think that a lot has changed now that emily feels she can be
openly gay and still be a wonderful musician... without being labeled a
"lesbian singer".  she seems much more private about her personal life
than amy (obviously, after her curve interview.. she lays it all out
there for us all to read...) and, though we all might be curious about
her personal life, i think she has every right to keep it private if
that is what she wants.

still, i have to say that i think emily and amy have grown on this
issue and it would be wonderful to have them participate in a
"woman-only" event. wow! i've never felt compelled to attend the
michigan fest before... but if they are scheduled to appear... i just
might have to go!!!

just a few thoughts...
twink!
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news flash!!!

the seattle & pacific northwest listers are planning a big - huge -
gargantuan - enormous - way better than the "baigls" ever had or could
have, list meet before the 1/23 ig seattle concert.
you are all welcome to join in on this gala event of titanic proportions!!!!

attendees also include listers coming from portland, eugene, vancouver,
montana, chicago, california and many other places!!!!
we reserved a whole restaurant to have a fun-filled ig lister party & get
everyone psyched before the concert.
rsvp by monday - 1/12 by emailing me privately. 8-)

baigls???
come & see how we do ig parties on this side of the rockies!!! ;-) just
having fun with you all.... ;-)

it's going to be an official seattle "shindigo"

take care friends!
lynn in seattle

hey y'all!
hardly anyone knows me on the list because i mostly just read all of
your posts...so i thought it is my turn to post.  i have a few
questions.  okay, here goes...in the self-titled indigo girls songbook
there is this one picture of a baby.  does anyone know who this is?
whenever i look in the songbook the picture "gnaws" at my curiousity.
let's see, another picture question.  over the holidays i found this
photo of amy and emily from probably 1992.  emily has on a clinton gore
t-shirt and amy a black tee with a superhero type person on it. i was
wondering if anyone knew where or when this was taken?  it looks like
maybe washington d.c. or something.
i also stumbled across this website:
kbcoradio.com/kbco/uhrlaub/images/photos/ig.jpg
which has a pretty cool photo.  i don't know where or when it was taken
but i thought y'all might be interested...
and one last question...i have asked this before...one person answered
and i wish i could find her email address so i could write but i can't.
anyway, i am desperately looking for boots of the seattle pier concerts
from july 11,12,and 13.  does anyone know if these exist? (please say
yes!) i was at all three and would love to relive them.  the most
important days are the 11th and 13th.  please email me if you have a
copy or anyone who does have one!  i will be forever grateful! thanks in
advance and thanks for reading this far if you've stuck around!

peace,
becca

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i was driving to work listening to my coveted ig tape. "down by the river"
came on. i've heard it a million times, but today, her voice touched me
somehow. i noticed how incredibly sexy she sounded. so, i decided i would
ask (if you want to reply) what line in which song during which version do
you think is the sexist you've ever heard amy sing? please do share, since
i know lots of you lust after her (and even if you don't, please do
share!). :) thank you.

christy :)

hey everyone...

i'm trying to look for some indigo girls webistes on the internet but seem to be running out of luck. i've searced the web before, but lost all my bookmarks and i'm just wondering if anyone can send me some links to their websites that aren't listed on yahoo!. i especially want the link to the real audio of the pay per view show at great woods. email me privately with those links if you have any! thanx!

nem :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

"meanwhile our friends we thought were so together

they've all gone and left each other in search of fairer weather

and we sit here in our storm and drink a toast

to the slim chance of love's recovery"

</paraindent><paraindent><param>left,left,left,left,left</param>emily
saliers - love's rcovery

</paraindent><paraindent><param>left,left</param>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

</paraindent>

--- lisa lisa a wrote:
i think the ig stance on michigan has most definitely changed.

so who knows. the girls might be coming to a womyns fest near you after all
--- end of quote ---
well weee hoo, even more reason to go!

i'm putting together a little listie of anyone from this list who's thinkin
about going...no commitment necessary at this point. it is august 11-16 98 and
the ticket prices have not been set yet (it is sliding scale...how's that for
feminist economics?:)) if you're interested, email me and i'll put you on the
list for updates and such...as i'm sure everyone on this list is *tired* of
this topic and i must save up my annoyance tokens! :)

the only good thing about ice storms: spare time for new projects heh heh

so write me if you wanna

xo, sus

if your name is not heather solimni or lisa (habes324) and i owe you boots or
anything, please email me!!!!!!!!!! i'm trying to clean house.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
"now that's a very good idea, piglet," said pooh.  "we'll
practise it now as we go along.  but it's no good going
home to practise it, because it's a special outdoor song
which hasto be sung in the snow."
********************************************************************

in a message dated 98-01-08 19:06:28 est, catherineann writes:

<< no one gets to miss the storm of what will be
just holding on for the ride" >>

i agree. plus, this verse always reminds me of another emily tune off of so-
'i said to you the one gift which i'd adore,
unwrap a package of the next ten years unfolding,
but you told me if i had my way i'd be bored,
right then i knew i loved you best born of your scolding.'

funny how she can talk about the same basic notion but say it in two
wonderfully separate ways. she's the poet for sure!

scooter boys is one (of many) very high point on sots. however, my
favorite scooter boys experience was seeing it combined with cortez the
killer in concert last year.

it is reductionist to say that both are only diatribes on colonialism.
but putting the two together offers two very different and complimentary
approaches to the issue. the story of cortez provides an historical
context for issues raised by scooter boys. the 20th century impacts of
colonialism articulated in scooter boys provide an articulation why the
story of cortez is still relevant today.

besides both rock like crazy.

hugh barroll

and yes this is igc (kind of) cuz amy said in the last newsletter she likes
kabuki (imho kabuki totally rocks) and anyway, i am in search of (if anyone
on this list collects/sells comics) kabuki circle of blood acts 1,2,4,and 5,
as well as kabuki skin deep anything after act 2. anyone can help me????

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
he hadn't gone more than half-way when a sort of funny
feeling began to creep all over him.  it begain at the tip of
his nose and trickled all through him and out at the soles
of his feet.  it was just as if somebody inside him were
saying, "now then, pooh, time for a little something."
********************************************************************

ok, well, there's this girl that i'd really like to get involved with.  i
just don't know how to ask her out since i don't know her very well, so i
came up with an idea to make a tape for her of jsut a bunch of different
songs.  does anyone have any ideas of songs i should put on the tape.  (in
the tape case i'm going to ask her out.)  i'm definately putting r & j, hell
yeah (ani d.), and strange fire.  any other suggestions?
                                                  -kate

grnpeace@fullnet.com

"don't critisize what you can't understand." b.dylan
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

in a message dated 98-01-07 08:02:41 est, mgordon@mail.lvdi.net writes:

<< a & e mention,
when asked about self-producing, that they had tried to get daniel
lanois and it didn't work out >>

i clearly remember this - i can't believe he turned them down! what's up with
him anyway??

btw, welcome to the list all you new folks!

bon

>what line in which song during which version do
>you think is the sexist you've ever heard amy sing?

tops of my list (and probably many others'!) is the
"oh merrrrrrcccyyy " in lotk on 1200 curfews.

but another one that just got me today was in
tangled up in blue:

"i must admit i felt a little uneasy when she bent
down to tie the laces of my shoes tangled up in blue."

not necessarily that her _voice_ is so sexy there, but i just
can't get the image out of my mind of her in the quarter
at a topless bar with the beautiful "blue" tying her shoelaces.
imagine the look on her face. yum yum!

cathy, feelin' a little uneasy herself!

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility" -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch" -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart" -- phish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

  ok.,  just reading the paper today and ran across that susan werner is
playing tomorrow nite at princeton.(1-10)  i canceled aall my plans and am
now
going.  wooohoo!!!!  anyhow, dar williwams is playing at trade winds in
sea bright ?nj if anyone is interested on feb. 5th.  jujust wanted to lety
yall know.

mike d.
personal to carrie- thank you so much for the indiana boot. it rocks. hope
you had a happy new year. :-)

hi lori. welcome aboard.
***********************************************************************
"i wonder if the woman in the moon is offended that people on earth seem
to think she's a man."
***********************************************************************

in a message dated 98-01-09 20:56:56 est, indigo_24@hotmail.com writes:

<< amy a black tee with a superhero type person on it. i was
wondering if anyone knew where or when this was taken? >>

that would be the green lantern. if i remember correctly she was wearing the
gl shirt (the real gl- well, the second one...) @ the new orleans jazz fest
back in 96. (ah, my first ig show- i remember it well... miz claire shooting
pictures, eric of the ringed toe, and the lovely karen of the trampled feet
(sorry about that karen)

don't ask me why i remember these things. it's just cool when your favorite
hobbies come together like this. <grin>

peace, love, and absent minded ramblings-
rick
who actually enjoyed "joe's apartment" ... and not just cuz of jerry o'connell

> actually, if i remember correctly, amy has said that she wrote the song
> after her own cat died.

i know she wrote "secure yourself" right after her cat died...this one, too?
wow...cats everywhere--at least 3 songs deal with 'em.

peace, love, and holy snakes (my new favorite expression--sys! ;),
ponygrrrl

yes, there is indeed a women's music festival in indiana! it's the
national women's music festival (nwmf), and as somebody mentioned, it has
been held in bloomington for a number of years (since, i think, 1982; and
it was in champaign-urbana, illinois before that), but is going to be in
muncie (at ball state university) this summer due to the renovation of the
iu auditorium.

the festival is june 25-28, 1998. unlike the michigan womyn's music
festival, men may attend nwmf as audience members; unlike lilith fair,
nwmf is produced & run completely by women, and only women musicians
appear onstage. it's a very cool festival, and i highly recommend it. for
more info check their website, which is at http://a1.com/wia/nwmf.html
(note that's a numeral one in a1.com, not the letter l) and feel free to
mail me privately if you have questions. i probably won't be able to go
this summer since it's out of town and that makes it a lot more expensive
for me, but it's still a wonderful festival.

-anne

*** anne haines ** ahaines@indiana.edu ** http://php.indiana.edu/~ahaines ***

i just thought i'd let y'all know that i found a website with lots of ig
lyrics, i'd say almost all of their songs...but not quite. anyways~i thought
y'all might enjoy it. it's at:
http://www.us.itd.umich.edu/~hubt/indigo.girls/

~amy

i think that amy's sexiest moments are in "blood and fire"  that song is
pure, 100% amy passion.  i just loke her voice throughout the whole thing,
and the idea of lonliness and longing to be with some one ("won't you wet
my fire with your love, babe?")  i looooooooove it!

:-) karen

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"if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
--indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
--indigo girls (amy)

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu                 s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu
                       indigodar@aol.com
               http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/~klrosenb/

east asian studies political science
major minor
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dear musician,

if you or someone you know has seen <a href="http://www.caedmons-call.com/">
caedmon's call</a> or any other number of acoustic folk bands who use
alternative percussion, you have probably seen guys like
<a href="http://caedmons-call.com/band_member_profiles/buell.shtml">garett
buell</a> pounding on something that looks like a wooden conga drum.

after seeing caedmon's in 1994, i decided that i wanted to make drums like
this, too.  and have since had my drums played with several bands and heard in
acoustic sets and summer camps all over the state of texas.  lot's of people
ask me to make them one, but i just don't have the time or financial resources
to do so.  so what i have done is written down the instructions that i have
discovered using trial and error many times and taken a photo of a couple of
my drums and would like to offer this package for only five bucks.  i can also
send you tips and exercises on better playing.  i am an artist of sorts and
this is how i feel that i can sell my work.

these drums are easy and inexpensive to make and only require a drill, a
jigsaw, and a circular saw. the other materials are included in the
instructions and shouldn't cost more than $30.

this is the deal. all you have to do is e-mail me a mailing address to send
the instructions to and i will send you the instructions. upon reciept of the
instructions, all that i ask of you is to mail a five dollar bill (or five
dollars for each person who uses the directions) to an address included in the
packet.

if you know anyone else who might be interested in this offer, please forward
this e-mail to them.

thanks. after i recieve notice from you that you have recieved my
instructions, i would be glad to answer any questiions you have.i think that
you will enjoy making your own wooden drum. :o)

hey folks,

yes, we've just been spammed. if you want to complain, don't mail
the list about it, mail the spammer at woodendrum@aol.com.

grr. thanks.

sherlyn

ps - about the news only list - we (jude and i) are investigating
some possibilities about where to get the list hosted. we'll get
it going as soon as we get things sorted out.
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"when you wake up from this night, oh yes there'll be a morning;
the sun's gonna be shining bright, with new ideas dawning.
and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

i have to get in on this dying and waning thread with the tune i find to
be most inspiriational and why...... bear with me. if i bore you,
delete me. :)

on april 3, 1996, i told my boyfriend of 7 years goodbye.  it was a
nowhere relationship full of vioelnce and drug abuse on his part, and i
finally felt strong enough to let go, but scared to death and
floundering at the same time. (if you are in a situation like this, btw,
always feel free to contact me......been there,done that kind of
thing....if nothing else, i am a non-judgmental ear.   he had been all i
had known since i was 18.  i felt a sense of self-love for the first
time in my life, and i knew i was going to be ok, but part of me wanted
to pick up the phone and call him back and tell him i was wrong.

just two weeks and three days later, i was getting ready for english
class, and the phone rang.  i picked it up, and heard his voice,
obviously higher than a kite and probably drunk to boot.  "karrie" he
says, "i wanted you to be the first to know....i got married last
night."  so i am standing there, holding the phone, part of me going,
"ok, he's all screwed up and dicking with me," and the other part going,
"married?????????  hello?  you spend 7 years with me and we had only
discussed marriage in year 7.  we break up and two weeks later you are
married????????????????"

so i asked him if he was screwing with me, and he swore no, up and
down.  told me her name and everything.  told me the justice of the
peace's name if i wanted to call and check.  and then he told her to say
hi to me, which she did.  then she gave me blatant details of their
wedding night.  while it was obvious to me that there was no love in
their relationship, this was the 3rd time he had done something like
this to me, and i felt the world around me start to spin.  i hung up the
phone during her detailed speech, and went to the door.  i needed a
friend.

beth was in class.  anya was at lab.  steph, bettijo, and nadine had all
gone to lunch.  robert was in pittsburgh singing.  there i stood,
needing a friend, no one was around, and i had less than 20 minutes to
get to class and function as a human, the whole while feeling like the
world had fallen apart.  our relationship was now final; there would be
no going back.  i could only move forward, and i was so scared.

i went into my room, turned on my cd player and hit shuffle.  on came
the song that got me through that day, and the days after.  from the
1200c cd, i heard those old familiar chords, and emily sing, "i'm tryin'
to tell you somethin' 'bout my life....."  i turned it up.  for so long,
that had just been a jammin' ig tune.  now, the words hit me in a
totally different way.  i found myself singing along and dancing and
crying my brains out.

i finished getting ready and went to class. i was ten minutes late, but
who cares? moving on wasn't easy, but i survived.  and that is why ctf,
to me, is the most inspriational tune they sing.  it reminds you, no
matter how many times you hear it, that you are going to be ok.  :)

peace and love and ig harmony-
karrie

"water retention is not new to me....."
-emily saliers

yeah, spammed...
but i just went to check out this caedmon's call web site and feel that
all of you will be interested to go hear them...
they really are great!
i don't know about the wooden drums yet... but this group seems really
cool!

later,
twink!
--
****message from twink! or barb: bf2brland@sprintmail.com****

in a message dated 98-01-08 21:22:34 est, cml@mindspring.com writes:

<< hey y'all. a thought popped into my head tonight while at the cd store. i
have long been a beatles fan. amy, in my opinion, can be compared to john
lennon. she's mysterious, sometimes misunderstood, an activist, the
"leader" type, etc. emily reminds me of paul mccartney. she is quiet,
introspective, her songs reflect her personality (you know what i mean),
the more passive one. also, together lennon/mccartney are brilliant
singers/songwriters, and amy and emily are brilliant together. >>

yeah i never thought about it, but you're right. i love the beatles too! :)
dana

a while ago i came across a really neat video of ame and em somewhere, forget
where - thought those of you whose computers can handle videos (avi files)
would be interested in seeing this. (it's even got a little from "watershed")

http://musiccentral.msn.com/video/t925807a.avi

have fun!
~flora

hi! i'm a little late, i know, but i haven't been online in a while. anyway,
as for an ann arbor get together, my parents will never go for it. i have
finals next week and they'll just shoot me if i tell them that i want to go to
ann arbor! :) sorry!
dana

in a message dated 98-01-09 20:40:55 est, bf2brland@sprintmail.com writes:

<< i think the ig stance on michigan has most definitely changed. >>

ahh! a michigan music festival (which i am embarrassed to admit i have never
heard of before) with the indigo girls! how cool! keep me posted about this
one okay!?!?
dana....a michigander!

>> i think this has to do with amy's experience of high school boys
>> dousing cats in gasoline and then lighting them on fire, her "first
>> experience with true evil."
>actually, if i remember correctly, amy has said that she wrote the song
>after her own cat died.

hi mel! :)

hmm ... i'm wondering about this.  i'm sure her cat was in her memory but
do you think her cat dieing has something to do with "pushing the needle too
far?"  or do you think maybe she just did something like add it in there as
a signal of remembrance for her cat?  i don't know ...

- rick

someone mentioned how cats are mentioned in 3 ig songs.
i know dead man's hill
and secure yourself
but what is the third out of curiousity?

chrisy

i've got some good links. check out my page :)
<a href="http://members.aol.com/mreeves74/index.html">michelle's rainbow room
</a>

in a message dated 98-01-09 23:49:37 est, chai@pacbell.net writes:

> hey everyone...
>
>
> i'm trying to look for some indigo girls webistes on the internet but seem
> to be running out of luck. i've searced the web before, but lost all my
> bookmarks and i'm just wondering if anyone can send me some links to their
> websites that aren't listed on yahoo!. i especially want the link to the
real
> audio of the pay per view show at great woods. email me privately with those
> links if you have any! thanx!
>
>

yep the guy with the goateee in the upper right hand corner is gerard mchugh

btw...has he put anything out in a while?

i got 25 responses already to this cd and i only posted last nite, so i'm
going to post to the whole list with the details.

one problem already tho: i received way too many requests for info to fulfill
that many. if everyone who said they were sending a package already (from
before), sends it, i should only have about 4 double cd sets left. therefore,
everyone will not be able to purchase one. i have posed the question to
sherlyn if i should auction them (never done that before...dont know rules),
or if i should offer it to the first 4 people who respond to this email with a
"yes, i want the cds, please give me your snail mail addy and it's in the mail
tomorrow." so, basically i'm going to wait for her response to do any
finishing up. either i, or sherlyn, will post to the list with an answer.

i'm sorry this turned into a slight nightmare (at least for me anyway, and for
those of you who could care less and dont want the wasted bandwidth), but i
did try to do a favor to the list, and just never knew it would drag on for so
long.

ok, here's the info everyone requested via personal email.

the vol 5 kgsr broadcasts cd is a double cd with our ig singing shame on you
it was recorded live and broadcast on 107.1 kgsr here in austin, texas.

39 total songs from 39 different singers recorded live. proceeds benefit
sims (services invested in musician's support...for therapy etc) limited
edition cd.

there will not be a reprint. in fact, i was told the other day, that they've
already sold out.

some of the other singers are as follows:

suzanne vega, storyville, abra moore, trish murphy, lori carson, 8 1/2
souvenirs, matthew sweet, sexton sextet, patty griffin, ana egge, laurie
freelove and many more.

k, it's $12.00 after tax. so you would need to send a money order (preferred)
or check for the $12.00 and a sase with about $1.50 worth on the package to go
back to you

email me if you want it and are prepared to send the package by monday. i will
send the list (or via personal email if there are less than 5 ppl responding)
a note saying if it will be an auction or just the first responders.

there, i think that's about it. what a major deal, huh?

michelle

i think that probably there are a lot of allusions in songs that many of us
don't understand. i can't explain this perspective in the context of the
song, but to have the line make sense to me, here's what i think...i think
of "helped them all to dismount" is a sort of "knocking someone off their
high horse"...um, no pun intended, though. fwiw

>date:    thu, 8 jan 1998 16:28:56 est
>from:    chiqhiker <chiqhiker@aol.com>
>subject: hand me downs
>
>this is my current favorite, but i don't really understand it.  i mean i can
>really relate to the message of hope in the chorus, but i don't get the
>verses.  like in "i've taken so many down, i've helped them all to dismount"
>where is down, and dismount from what?  anyone have any insights?
>
>anne

christy asked:

> >what line in which song during which version do
> >you think is the sexist you've ever heard amy sing?

and cathy said:

> tops of my list (and probably many others'!) is the
> "oh merrrrrrcccyyy " in lotk on 1200 curfews.

awww yeah!

and am i the only one who gets these amazing butterflies at the point in
touch me fall where she sings "...swamp ophelia..."? wow. i have no idea
why i think this is so sexy, does anyone else feel it or is it just this
weird twist in *my* perverted little head ;) ?

wen (who has posted twice in two days and that is a personal record :)!
).

i love that "swamp ophelia" line in touch me fall, too!! bethany always
makes fun of me when i exclaim over it, but she's a ho anyway. :) just
kidding, homuncher!

she and i were gonna do a post togetha this morning, since we had our own
little slumber party last night, but we were rebuffed by the fact that her
mom needed the phone. oh well. now that she's moving to bg, i won't see
her as much--nooooo!!

anyway, i'm digressing... i think the most awesome line i've ever heard
amy sing would have to be either "i've seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in
the winds of change" from let it be me, or her background vocal line on the
"break-it-down" section of "virginia woolf." thoughts??

while i don't know if i can call it sexy or not, when amy sings (and i
have posted this before) "lying on our backs..looking at the sky,
looking thorugh the ceiling.." in lotk, i about die. her voice is
enough to just cut through 40 feet of ice. it's insane.

i also get goosebumps when she sings "american tune" and "the redemption
song." oh yeah, and when she sings the last chorus of dttgag,
especially live, and she is full of passion and pain and love and
hatred, i think that the moment is pure and almost exotic.

ok, enough raving...i could go on about amy all day......her voice is
unbelievable.

peace-
karrie

"mercinaries of the shrine, now who are you to speak for god?"
-amy ray

hi all,
i recall seeing a tentative phoenix or tucson concert set for february.
i was wondering if anyone had up to date info on this show.
thanks,
-brant

one of my favorite "amy" lines is in ghost "dont tell a soul" i dont know why, but it drives me wild.

rhea

do we have to live inside its walls
to identify the cage?
ferron

someone mentioned blood and fire, and i have to agree that is one sexy song!!
i love when she sings "i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love"

and if i could pick one specific moment of r&j after seeing it live, it would
have to be her singing "juliet, when we made love i used to cry..."

four final words on this subject: come on over babe...
<okay...>
molly o+

while checking out the honor the earth website i discovered a kick @ss version
of cut it out. there's a really slow gentle part where the girls improve. (u
need a realplayer to hear the audio.) this might be redundant for some of u
since i'm new to this list, but if u haven't checked this out, it's really
worth it. i would hope u listen to the press conferences and slide show too,
they are very educational and give u an idea of what the hte tour is really
about. amy and emily are just damn good people! <
http://www.honorearth.com/tournetcast.html >
~riz

>anyway, i'm digressing... i think the most awesome line i've ever heard
>amy sing would have to be either "i've seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in
>the winds of change" from let it be me,

yup, yup. meeee twoooo!!
and when she comes in on prince of darkness underneath
emily's "she stayed with me for days"
and amy goes "daaaa--aaaaaa-aaaayyyyyss"
i just melt!
cathy, adding more change to the tip jar.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility" -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch" -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart" -- phish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

hey does anyone know what congress avenue she is talking about? i live in
austin, texas where we have a congress avenue downtown.

michelle

> > but i don't really know why i drove my car down to congress avenue

am i the only one who can't access this video? an avi file comes up blank :-(
someone help me - please!!

thanks

rose

i wrote:
>> actually, if i remember correctly, amy has said that she wrote the
>> song after her own cat died.

then rick <foxmuldr@indy.net> wrote:
> hmm ... i'm wondering about this.  i'm sure her cat was in her memory
> but do you think her cat dieing has something to do with "pushing the
> needle too far?"  or do you think maybe she just did something like
> add it in there as a signal of remembrance for her cat?  i don't know.

i think her cat dying has to do with: "woke up this morning / gray dawn
/ with a prayer on my breath / you see i lost something precious"
--
-- mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
[aka: mel <melsouth1@hotmail.com>]

           "what a poor appearance the tales of the poets
            make stripped of the colors which music puts
            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
                - plato

hi folks-

i'm very sorry to see from sherlyn's post that the list seems doomed to
be split apart into a "igc only news" and (what?) "ig list regular" -
which, of course means that now we'll have to sub to 2 lists (or more if
you also sub to pnw &/or baigl). that's a heck of a lot of e-mail to
wade thru.

personally, i'm against it - but that's just my opinion. obviously,
there are purists among us whose fingers abhor the 'delete' key. i love
my 'delete' key - it's my favorite one! :o)

so... in the spirit of doing my best to annoy the purists... nettwerk
has announced some upcoming sarah mclachlan tour dates (onsale dates as
noted):

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sarah mclachlan spring 1998 tour dates

05 mar thu spokane, wa opera house
(onsale: jan 17)

06 mar fri eugene, or hult center for perf. arts
(onsale: jan 16)

07 mar sat  sacramento, ca  memorial auditorim
09 mar mon  san jose, ca  sjsu events center
10 mar tue  fresno, ca  william soroyan theatre
11 mar wed  irvine, ca  bren events centre
13 mar fri  albuqerque, nm kiva auditorium
(onsale: jan 17)

15 mar sun austin, tx music hall
16 mar mon austin, tx music hall
(onsale: jan 17) <both austin dates>

17 mar tue oklahoma city, ok music hall
(onsale: jan 17)

18 mar wed ames, io stevens auditorium
(onsale: jan 17)

20 mar fri louisville, ky palace theatre
24 mar tue asheville, nc civic center
(onsale: jan 17)

25 mar wed  charlotte, nc  independance arena
27 mar fri  richmond, va  landmark theatre
29 mar sun  providence, ri  performance arts center
(onsale: jan 23)

31 mar tue  wallingford, ct  oakdale theatre
01 apr wed  portland, or  civic centre
07 apr tue  east lansing, mi  msu auditorium
08 apr wed  toledo, oh  savage theatre
09 apr thu  st. louis, mo  the fox theatre
12 apr sun  madison, wi  madison kohl center
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have a good, healthy weekend kiddies!
(i'm having an unhealthy antibiotics filled weekend!)
:o)
peace...
--
-- mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
[aka: mel <melsouth1@hotmail.com>]

           "what a poor appearance the tales of the poets
            make stripped of the colors which music puts
            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
                - plato

i'm new to the list and do not have any boots (of anyone). can anybody help
me get started with some ig boots? also, how can i get a copy of the curve
interview?

you can send any info to me privately.

peace & love,
pf

language of a kiss

it has always been the song that most touched me.  why?  swamp came out at
about the time i was thinking about coming out to my family.  for those of you
who have gone through that, some of you know the incredible emotions that go
with that.  i was totally convinced that my family would disown me.  so, all
the lyrics of this song hit home.  let me share some with you!

"there was a table set for 6 and 5 were there, i stood outside and kept my
eyes upon that empty chair...."

there are 6 children in my family. i saw the empty chair as mine after they
told me it wasn't ok to be gay and you won't be allowed back into our family
until you get over this (this did not happen, but this is what i *thought* was
going to happen).

"there was steam on the windows from the kitchen. laughter like a language i
once spoke with ease"

of course, that was the whole family getting together (minues me - the empty
chair) and laughing about the past, which we often do.

"but i'm made mute by the virtue of decision i choose. most of your life goes
on without me. oh the fear i've known that i might reap the praise of
strangers and end up on my own."

this speaks about the decision to come out, which many gays and lesbians
preach. so i would 'reap the praise of strangers' (other gays and lesbians)
but end up on my own (without my family).

later in the song when they speak of "lying on our backs looking up on at the
sky"
reminded me of when my brother (and childhood best friend) would lay out on
the front lawn and look at the stars and etc.

"with this paper and this pencil and i'm working through the grammar of my
fears"
spoke to me when i was writing the letter to my family members.

i just hit some of the areas of this song that take me back to those months,
weeks and days before i did come out to my family.  fortunately when i came
out, my family was much better than i anticipated.  and about 4 years later,
they are still doing great.  they have welcomed my partner into the family
with open arms.  my sister (who had the hardest time with my sexuality,
initially) even told my aunt, "we like her partner better than some of the
other in-laws, she's cool."

you can about imagine, then, that when i heard language or the kiss in
concert, the emotions a&e's voices brought out. luckily i heard it in
concernt after my family was told and accepted. they were wonderful emotions,
as i feel everytime i hear that song.

thanks amy and emily...
and thanks to you all for listening to my story.
linda
:)

what line in which song during which version do you think is the sexist
you've ever heard amy sing?

well...this is my newest fave.
i just got my mountain stage boot &
let me tell you.
on dgtgag...when the music's quiet & she says gun
her voice is sooo low & sexy that my rewind button will
soon break.
as you were.
jami
jamik@juno.com

i've been reading:

<<one of my favorite "amy" lines is in ghost "dont tell a soul" i dont know
why, but it drives me wild.>>

<<in lotk, i about die. her voice is enough to just cut through 40 feet of
ice. it's insane.>>

<<who gets these amazing butterflies at the point in touch me fall where she
sings "...swamp ophelia..."? wow. i have no idea why i think this is so sexy,
does anyone else feel it or is it just this weird twist in *my* perverted
little head ;) ?>>

and i have the following to say:

you people are sick!!!!!!!!!!! maaaaaan i thought *i* was obsessed. the
things y'all will say about amy in *public* make me far less ashamed of the
things regarding amy *and* emily that i refuse to talk about at all!

<i'm teasing you, people!!!! laugh or i'll bite your butt!>

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
- president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
and tigger, who had been hiding behind trees and jumping
out on pooh's shadow when it wasn't looking, said that
tiggers were only bouncy before breakfast, and that as soon
as they had had a few haycorns they became quiet and refined.
********************************************************************

okay, i've a version of the "ballad of squeaky fromme" in which amy
sings, "...while i'm sitting here down in georgia... arguing with my
family..." and that "arguing" part gets me every time.

also, on another boot i have a version of "romeo & juliet" and then the
spoken part in this one... she says, "then you turn and say to all your
friends... there goes romeo... i think i used to have a scene with
him..." makes me crazy!

hmmm, i'll have to see what barb thinks of this thread when she gets
home...

later,
twink!
--
****message from twink! or barb: bf2brland@sprintmail.com****

hi, everyone!

last fall i offered to make copies of my boots to anyone who wants them.
well, i'm all finished with those, so i thought i'd offer it again to
anyone else who might be looking for a great gift item or or expand their
collection.

i've learned from my mistakes, so this time, i'll only do a maximum of two
tapes per person.  if you want a list of my boots, respond privately to
creechal@emu.edu, and i'll send you my boot list.  i've taken it off of
the web because of all of the fuss that's been going on lately.  i'm not
trading right now, so it'll just be a blank and an sase.

:)
anna

"don't worry about what you do the first year after college. it's not
what you'll be doing for the rest of your life." --annie dillard
http://narnia.emu.edu/students/creechal/creechal.htm

hi
did anyone boot the nashville show on oct. 15, atlanta on nov. 26, and
louisville on dec. 2?
please email me if you might consider taping these for me.
thanks

in a message dated 98-01-10 09:52:25 est, foxmuldr@indy.net writes:

<< do you think her cat dieing has something to do with "pushing the needle
too
far?" >>

good grief, everybody knows her cat was a serious heroin addict, but she
doesn't like to discuss it much. love the deep thoughts...

bon

as promised here is a excerpt from an interview on 4/29/90 on krock, pete
fornatell is the host. the girls discuss their recent grammy and since we
have been discussing american tune i thought you might like to hear a &
e's comments on that issue. enjoy!

pete: i'm also fascinated by the covers that you've done. get together,
which we heard earlier. you also did the elton john-bernie taupin song
mona lisas and mad hatters.

amy: yeah

emily: mmmm hmmm, great song.

p: and the one that i'd like to close with, with explanation from you two.

a: (laugh) yeah we'll explain.

e: (laugh)

p: which is paul simon's american tune.

a: yeah

p: what about that?

a: well it's a great song.

e: i first heard that song when i was in high school. i heard it done in
four part harmony.

a: by starland vocal band(?)

e: yeah. no, no, no. well i heard it by them but also by a group where i
went for high school. i went to high school a year in minnesota. and
um, i have always loved that song, it's beautiful. i forget how we
learned it together, how we decided to learn it together.

a: we learneded it on guitar first

e: yeah, we started playing it on guitar

a: i think i played ti solo for a little while

e: and gradually went to acapella singing, we both knew the song.

a: as we forgot the chords it became an acapella song.

e: (laugh)

a: that's kind of the way it happened with that one.

p: now it did get released on a special promotional cd.

e: mmm, hmmm

a: yeah, it's a

e: the intonation is off.

a: yeah, we were really off that day. so this is not the way it usually
sounds when we do it. i mean usually we're in tune. at least 3 out of 5
timers we hit the right notes and this is one of the ones when we didn't.

e: so we're apologizing for something you're about to hear.

a: so listen with a grain of salt.

wow this is getting long continued in the next post!

diana

_____________________________________________________________________________
"the song that i am singing is a prayer to nonbelievers, come and stand
beside us we can find a better way."
john denver

i've had a good time reading all the "sexy amy" sorts of email, and i wish i
could add my own, but that might end up being a loonnng list of all the songs
amy has ever done.  there is almost always something in everything i've ever
heard amy sing that strikes a chord in me (no pun intended).  don't get me
wrong; i'm not a complete and utter hornball; and i do appreciate the ig's
music for every quality it possesses - but *my heart belongs to amy*       and
what else can i say.

lately i've been listening a lot to "walk away" from sf. recently i've been
listening mostly to the middle (chronologically speaking) albums, but this
song really gets me... it's so raw and heartwrenching and, well, beautiful.
if you haven't in a while, give it a listen. . .

today i had national public radio in the background (listening to the girls in
the foreground, of course) and i suddenly heard hammer and a nail. i freaked
out! it turns out that it was a home improvement show and that a clip of the
song was a sort of introduction to the program. i don't know if they play it
every time or not, but i was so elated to hear it!

anyone know when the feb issue of curve hits the shelves? can't wait!!

my beloved dog died a week ago tomorrow. she was only three years old, my
pride and joy. i sang "secure yourself" to comfort myself... when i get
another dog i think i will name her/him iggie for the ig.
question: does anyone out there have an ig-inspired pet name (child name?!)??

ciao
~flora

does anyone know whereabouts in minnesota emily lived that year?

just curious-
amanda

on sat, 10 jan 1998, d obray wrote:

> e:  i first heard that song when i was in high school.  i heard it done in
> four part harmony.
>
> a: by starland vocal band(?)
>
> e: yeah. no, no, no. well i heard it by them but also by a group where i
> went for high school.  i went to high school a year in minnesota.  and
> um, i have always loved that song, it's beautiful.  i forget how we
> learned it together, how we decided to learn it together.
>

well, going with what someone said, (and my thesis for my english
isp), dylan's music spoke out about social and political injustices.
sound like anyone we know? he was really one of the first people who
started it all- so no matter how many grammys he has won, or albums he
has made, or drugs he has smoked, if he made an album that warrants
him an award, doesn't he deserve it? wouldn't you want ig, if they're
hopefully still making albums by then, to win a grammy in 30 years
even though they've been around forever?
-rebecca

quick question...anyone out there boot this show? i've had no luck finding it
so far, hopefully someone has it. e-mail me privately if you can help me
out...thanks a lot.

-muli

just for the heck of it, i decided to re-read sherlyn's faq
on the girls this afternoon. kinda like a "refresher course."
(i can only hold so much girls trivia in my brain at one time,
ya know.)

anyway, i read that amy first went to vanderbilt in nashville.
this experience was, no doubt, the inspiration for "nashville,"
a none-too-kind commentary on the town.

now i've never been to nashville so i don't know anything
about it. but i harbor the same bitter feelings for my college
town of tallahassee. (i like to call it the "evil town of sucking
death" and have staunchly avoided it since graduation. i left
town the next morning and had vowed never to go back!)

a lot of shitty things happened to me whilst i lived in dear ol'
tally, traumatic life and love events that have shaped my personality
today and that i try so hard to forget but just can't shake.
i've seen what that town can do to pepople, and it isn't pretty.

but up until now, i figured tally's inherent evil running through
the streets was a great contributor to all the evil that happened
to me while i was there. but now it's clicked that amy sings
"nashville" (here's the igc -- in case you were wondering) about
the town she spent her late teen years / college life in
(even though it didn't make it on to an album until rop).

maybe all those evil things that happened to me in tally would have
happened to me no matter where i was. like, that's just the time
in your life when you're discovering who you really are and who
you love and breaking away from your childhood and all that stuff.
and self-discovery often carries with it some heartache and trauma.

did anyone else have a similiar experience in college, and hate their
college town as much as i do??

(btw, i recently went back to tally (no, not cally!) for a wedding of
a very dear friend. and as i drove into town, this wave of ick came
over me and reminded me why i got the hell outta there!)

"i came to you with a half-open heart
dreams upon my back, illusions of a brand-new start.

i fell on my knees to kiss your land
but you are so far down i can't even see to stand it.

we all arrive with more, i left with less than i had.

this town is made for people passing though
last chance for a cause, well i thought i knew.

i'll never call your name again. no never again."

cathy, just a-wonderin'

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility" -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch" -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart" -- phish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

in the interview that was posted, emily says she went to high school for a
year in minnesota.

what's that about? i thought they moved to atlanta when she was in 6th grade!

somebody help - my head hurts.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
- president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
"i have been foolish and deluded," said he, "and i am a
bear of no brain at all."
"you're the best bear in all the world," said christopher
robin soothingly.
********************************************************************

since secure yourself has come into discussion again, i remember anna the
birthday goddess posted her interp last year.
anna? wanna resend it? i think i have it filed somewhere. i thought it
was great.
lori

        my favorite "sexy amy" sequence is from dgtgag, when she really
winds up on the last bridge, "take the first shot baby..." and ends with the
refrain "i said, doooooon't give that girl a gun, she's already one..."
whenever amy starts kickin' up her heels and dancin' like that,... well, it
turns me on....sorry girlies! ;)
        but, the *most intense* amy performance is from b&f on the latul
video!!!!   even emily looks surprised by amy's raw emotion :o

doolittle~

at 07:19 pm 1/9/98 -0500, you wrote:
>i was driving to work listening to my coveted ig tape. "down by the river"
>came on. i've heard it a million times, but today, her voice touched me
>somehow. i noticed how incredibly sexy she sounded. so, i decided i would
>ask (if you want to reply) what line in which song during which version do
>you think is the sexist you've ever heard amy sing? please do share, since
>i know lots of you lust after her (and even if you don't, please do
>share!). :) thank you.
>
> christy :)

hey everyone, sorry i had to take a finger break. here's the rest of
the
interview.

pete: you mentioned the grammys earlier. i want to hear all about that
night. what was it like for you? what were the moments that you take with
you now a couple of months later?

e: the first thing i remember is being in the make up room and having the
hairdresser go "so what are you going to wear tonight?" and  i was like
"well, this is it. (laughter) the biggest thrill for me was having ray
charles and stevie wonder perform.  the biggest thrill...and having
bonnie raitt sweep her categories cause i'm a big fan of hers.  i just
thought it was really...the show was put together well and to hear some of
my idols perform was really powerful.  besides that it was, you know, it
was nothing more that that to me.

p: amy, how about you?

a: oh it was a great concert, that's the way i looked at it too. after
like the first fifteen minutes in the dressing room where like chris
christofferson and meryl streep or whoever's in there you're kind a
like...nothing really surprises you anymore. so i sort of concentrated on
the music during the show cause i mean, there was like so much stuff to
listen to.

p: sure.

e: you got to talk to dwight yoakum about corvettes. that was fun.

a: that was fun, yeah. yeah and then i got to go to a really good club
the next night , the china club, and hear bonnie raitt and ray charles, and
sting and bruce hornsby and a guy from little feat, and just all
these musicians jam, and it was like ...and lou reed and rickie lee
jones. you know that was the big highlight for me actually, the weekend,
was getting together at that club and see all these great musicians just
play.

p: did you get a sense that they were as aware of your work as you are of
theirs?

a&e: (laughter) no!

p: not yet?

a: no i don't think any of...no.

p: that'll happen.

a: i don't even think bonnie raitt's heard us. i don't think.

e: i don't think she has either.

a: she introduced herself but i don't think she's really heard us.

e: she was nice though.

p: you were nominated in two categories, one was a disaster area i have to
say.

e: which was that?

p: that was that new artist category which had nominees from venus, mars,
saturn, and earth. and some interplanetary judger had to make this
decision, i mean it just seemed like a crazy category.

(laughter)

a: it always is though, every year it's a crazy category when you think
about it.

e: it was wild.

p: so i'm assuming you weren't too disappointed when the envelope didn't
reveal you names in that one?

e: we never expected to win that. we never expected to get nominations.

a: i think we were both rooting for soul to soul in that category.

e: yeah.

a: i mean, actually out of all those people that was...

e: yeah, they're great.

p: how about the one that you did win which was in the contemporary folk
category. did you think you had a chance in that one and how did it
feel?

e: i thought maybe we had a chance.

a: a chance, just because we fit into the category.

e: we still didn't know for sure cause we were excited when it happened.
we were standing backstage and they said "you girls should wait here just
a second cause your category's up" and we were like "ohhh okay" and we were
watching the tv screen and then they announced our names and we were
excited.

p: do you get two grammys or do you have to share one?

a: they mail them to you.

e: they give you a pseudogrammy to hold.

p: oh, i see. have you decided on a place for your grammy yet?

a: mine's on the shelf.

e: mine's on the shelf too.

p: on the shelf back home?

a&e: yeah.

p: just a reminder of some of the good things that have happened to indigo
girls in the last year.

well that's it hope you liked it! also, i distinctly remember during the
grammy show when they were doing a recap of who had won the announcer guy
mispronounced indigo. i mean duh!

love,
diana
_____________________________________________________________________________
"the song that i am singing is a prayer to nonbelievers, come and stand
beside us we can find a better way."
john denver

a-----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> subject: re: sexy amy
> date: sat, 10 jan 1998 15:36:22 est
> from: ndygotiggr <ndygotiggr@aol.com>
>
> i've been reading:
>
> <<one of my favorite "amy" lines is in ghost   "dont tell a soul"  i dont know
> why, but it drives me wild.>>
>
> <<in lotk, i about die.  her voice is enough to just cut through 40 feet of
> ice.  it's insane.>>
>
> <<who gets these amazing butterflies at the point in touch me fall where she
> sings "...swamp ophelia..."? wow. i have no idea why i think this is so sexy,
> does anyone else feel it or is it just this weird twist in *my* perverted
> little head ;) ?>>
>
> and i have the following to say:
>
> you people are sick!!!!!!!!!!!  maaaaaan i thought *i* was obsessed.  the
> things y'all will say about amy in *public* make me far less ashamed of the
> things regarding amy *and* emily that i refuse to talk about at all!
>
> <i'm teasing you, people!!!!  laugh or i'll bite your butt!>
>
> peace, harmony and indigo,
>
> tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
>   -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
>     -  president, grlchasr26 fan club

tigger tigger tigger....

no one is as obsessed with you...for god's sake, you hugged the woman!!

karrie, the one who comments on ice and dying......
>

ok, i talked with sherlyn and she says the best way to do it is to just sell
the cds to the first x # of ppl who email me. i've responded to two people
about the cds telling them they were #1 and #2. i still have 2 left. so if you
want them, email me now. i will respond to you within a day if you are #3 or
#4.

p.s. i actually have 4 more left, but i never got packages from the following
ppl who claimed to want them. if you are on the list below and do not email
me, i plan to offer those four to the list as well.

ds56@cornell.edu
mds31@cornell.edu
lurker97@hotmail.com
sparkle@primenet.com

thanks

michelle

hey everyone,
i've switched internet servers so my new addy goes from

ccigfan@aol.com
to
ccigfan@mindspring.com

similar, yet not the same.........:o)
please make note if you're interested in chatting.
thanks!

this is effective now!
cheri

hi folks,

a couple of people have asked about the deal with the upcoming
list split. it's been a few weeks since we last discussed
this so i thought i'd recap the issue for those of you who
didn't catch it last time around...

the basic idea is this: this list (indigo-girls@netspace.org)
will continue exactly as it has been.  however, there are
quite a few people who simply don't have time to wade through
all the nigc and chatter.  therefore, we're going to set up
a news-only list for these folks.  this list will be a
moderated version of this list - concert dates, newspaper
articles etc, *mostly taken from this list*, or from the
newsgroup or the www.  or if there's articles etc that are
forwarded to the news-only list that weren't also posted to
this list, the news-only moderator will take care of
forwarding it here as well.  so, no need to subscribe to both
lists, just to one or the other.

there's still a few major issues to be ironed out (like,
where we're going to put the list and who's going to look
after it :), but the news-only list will definitely be going
ahead just as soon as everything's sorted out. watch for the
announcement on *this* list as soon as it's all set to go.

okay, i'm off for a few hours. talk to you all later.
happy happy,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"when you wake up from this night, oh yes there'll be a morning;
the sun's gonna be shining bright, with new ideas dawning.
and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

well, i've found out from you replies that there is actually 4 references to
cats in ig songs

1. pushing the needle too far
2. dead man's hill
3. secure yourself
4. chickenman

now the question is, any references to dogs? are they dog people? is emily a
cat person too? what's this thing about amy's cat being a heroin addict?

chrisy

hi all,

one of my favorite amy lines is in "ghost" when she sings "unknowing
captor, you never know how much you pierce my spirit." wow.

peace (and warmth to all of us freezing our butts off--it's currently 2
degrees here in nw wisconsin!),
cheryl thiede

and what the heck are "median cats"?? can anyone help please? i read in any
interview somewhere that amy has 4 dogs, so i think she is a dog and cat
person, maybe? chrisy, i think the heroin addict thing was a joke. take
care y'all.

christy :)

at 08:15 pm 1/10/98 -0500, you wrote:
>well, i've found out from you replies that there is actually 4 references to
>cats in ig songs
>
>
>1. pushing the needle too far
>2. dead man's hill
>3. secure yourself
>4. chickenman
>
>now the question is, any references to dogs? are they dog people? is emily a
>cat person too? what's this thing about amy's cat being a heroin addict?
>
>chrisy
>
>--
>administrative requests should not be sent to the list!
>all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
>indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

i have this additional bit of info on emily in minnesota - from the rites
of passage tour program (written by emily)......(reprinted without
permission)

"i started writing songs when i got my guitar. the first song was 'didn't
they know the people' - it was awful and meant nothing, but i kept
writing anyway. my first professional gig was when i was 14, living in
minnesota. i played and sang for a local democratic convention. i tried
to get a gig at a steak restaurant, but it never panned out."

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

first let me ask....are there any listers in new england that are at home!?
dang it's cold here in mn, but y'all got it rough...blame it on el
nino...he's been a busy boy!

okay, stupid question time! (insert theme music)

  q#1 - where did emily go to high school in mn?
               (stupid because someone already asked this)
             but we are about the same age, i went to high school in mn,
wouldn't it be weird if i went to ....naw, i don't think so, but i'd still
be curious to know!

   q#2 - in that cute little video from music central (i watched it again
today after someone posted the addy)  who's basement are they in?  and more
interstingly, why are they doing an interview in a basement?  is this from
the watershed video ( which i have, but my vcr broke like a year
ago...which sucks)

i'm staying home tonight because the windchill here is 65
below....seriously.
i'm off to eat my black beans and rice...and hey! i ate black beans and
rice before it was cool (is it cool?)

kc1

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
this world was meant for me. don't bury me. carry me.

~ a. ray

"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
your while."

~ e. sailers

so jill chambers (hi!) were on our way back from a very upsetting flyers
game (they lost, but i digress) and we decided that a fun way to spend
time in the car would be to look for liscence plates that spell
abbreviations to ig songs.  let's see, i don't think that we found any
real ones, but we were stretching...one ended in an m so that was
mystery...but today i was out and about again and i did see dmh, and the
funny thing is that there was a rainbow sticker on it.  and then i saw
one fron new jersey that only had 2 letters, but it was rp and that
*could* be rites of passage.  anyway, jill and i were also singing ig
songs on the washington dc subway...that was fun.  it was a very ig kinda
night...we were hoping they'd play shame on you at the game, but they did
play rem (i forget what song) and they have that ig connection.  and then
jill made fun of me for my slight amy obsession (ok, so i was talking
about her during the hockey game...so kill me)...funny how she always
seems to do that! :)  (you know i love you jill....but not that way! :)
....)  anyhoo, has anybody else played fun ig travel games?? :)  oh....i
was proud of myself for thinking of this line...we were going down an
escalator in the subway terminal, and we were singing it's alright (we're
odd, ok) and instead of the "hate me cuz i'm different, hate me cuz i'm
gay" line i sang "hate me cuz i'm different, hate me cuz i love amy ray".
though i'm thinking that on this list that's not too different...i think
jill laughed at me...go fig.  ok, done rambling now.  jill, are you gonna
come out of lurkdom to defend yourself?? :)

love,
carolyn!

hey,
there are a few dog references in their songs.
#1) "barking dogs and model planes" in dead man's hill ~amy ray
#2) "i had guards like watchdogs dogs in a manger" in reunion ~amy ray

that's all the ones i can think of off the top of my head. let me know if
there are more.
amy

ig listers:

we found out that the indigo girls will be on austin city limits on
february 28 1998.  i'm so excited.  listen for the big row of people
singing and clapping off to emily's left. (she keeps looking over at us and
smiling).  that will be me and all my friends.  it was such a fun night.
vonda shepard from ally mcbeal was also there.  if anyone has question feel
free to email me privately.  sorry if this information has already been
posted.

ig love,
jamie

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
jamie a. suthard <suthardj@southwestern.edu> "it's only life afterall"
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i'm not as worried about where emily went to school as to why she went to
mn for only a year to begin with. does anyone have any ideas? if so, please
let me know. thank you so much.

christy :)

<< hey,
there are a few dog references in their songs.
#1) "barking dogs and model planes" in dead man's hill ~amy ray
#2) "i had guards like watchdogs dogs in a manger" in reunion ~amy ray
that's all the ones i can think of off the top of my head. let me know if
there are more.
amy >>

add "now we're out in the back with the barking dog" in mystery~emily
(wow, the above three are all from so! coincidence?)
just off the top of ma head...

dog references...how about "dead dog on the highway" from "chickenman?"
-amanda
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
amanda suzanne demeola
mount holyoke college
asdemeol@mtholyoke.edu

"i do like a road, because you can be always wondering what is at the end
of it."

-sara stanley, from "the story girl" by lm montgomery
*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

hey all canadians
i just flicked the channel and on pbs right now (11:12 pm saturday) was the
ig!!! it was shame on you from the great woods ppv. jann arden is on right
now. ig are supposed to return later. must be some sort of female artist
special.
lori

perhaps its just cats sitting on the median of the road or highway as it
were
on sat, 10 jan 1998, christy lynch wrote:

> and what the heck are "median cats"?? can anyone help please? i read in any
> interview somewhere that amy has 4 dogs, so i think she is a dog and cat
> person, maybe? chrisy, i think the heroin addict thing was a joke. take
> care y'all.

there is a wimminfest in albuquerque, nm every year on memorial day
weekend. this year will be the 15th or 16th year. it features 3
evening concerts with both music and comedy, 3 (or more) dances,
workshops, day stages, artist showcase - where you can buy anything
from earrings to drums, "fun in the sun", and just an all around good
time.

wimminfest '97 featured ulali, and they were awesome.  right after
leaving nm, they were headed to join ig on tour.  it was great seeing
them play and talk about being with the girls.  i worked stage, so i
got to talk to soni quite a bit before sound check.  she said the girls
like to try different kinds of hot sauce from wherever they are, and
they carry a big stash of it on tour.

anyway, i wish we could get ig at our wimminfest.

cynthia

i've always thought that the "median cats" were those cats that got hit by
cars while trying to cross the road--suburban roadkill

in a message dated 98-01-10 21:29:48 est, casey@rea-alp.com writes:

<< q#2 - in that cute little video from music central (i watched it again
today after someone posted the addy) who's basement are they in? and more
interstingly, why are they doing an interview in a basement? >>

what's this all about? i feel so unfortunate! i want to see a video from
someone's basement!
dana

in a message dated 98-01-10 22:51:22 est, cml@mindspring.com writes:

<< i'm not as worried about where emily went to school as to why she went to
mn for only a year to begin with. does anyone have any ideas? if so, please
let me know. thank you so much. >>

i'm pretty sure her parents were divorced. i met someone who's choir teacher
was emily's choir teacher, she went to the same high school as her. she told
me that em's parents were divorced and that's why em moved. but she may be
wrong, so don't go writing this on any stones or anything! :)
dana

ok, i was flipping through channels at a friend's house tonight and all of a
sudden there's a and e singing gotm at some concert somewhere!!  it was on
wyin (channel 30 cable) in chicago, some artists on tour show.  they also
showed ctf at the same concert but i think i missed the first part.  i
didn't get it on tape though because i wasn't home :(  did anyone else see
this??  it was wierd!  ok, i'll stop babbling now...

beth

> > ok, i was flipping through channels at a friend's house tonight and all
> of a
> > sudden there's a and e singing gotm at some concert somewhere!! it was
> on
> > wyin (channel 30 cable) in chicago, some artists on tour show.

i think the show everyone is talking about is "on tour"...its on every
saturday night on pbs, the show featuring the indigo girls included ctf,
galileo, gotm and soy...all from greatwoods. the same hour long show
featured a number of other artists.

on tour has featured some great shows, smashing pumpkins in london, cowboy
junkies in mpls and many more. get more info here -
www.pbs.org/kcet/ontour/

> kc1
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> "everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
> this world was meant for me. don't bury me. carry me.
>

> ~ a. ray
>
> "when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is
worth
> your while."
>

> ~ e. sailers
>
>

on fri, 9 jan 1998, christy lynch wrote:

> i noticed how incredibly sexy she sounded. so, i decided i would
> ask (if you want to reply) what line in which song during which version do
> you think is the sexist you've ever heard amy sing? please do share, since
> i know lots of you lust after her (and even if you don't, please do
> share!). :) thank you.

ooh, ohh, my turn to come out of my hibernation hole and say something!!
and yes, you know i lust after you know who.  her sexiest line, imo, is,
"take my hand, and i'll--take--your--hand, bayeebe"  oh yeah, sing it,
amy!!  alrighty then, now that i'm all warm and fuzzy from such thoughts
about amy, i'll go back into my den and sleep some more :) hehe.

or maybe, one of those "ahhh, ba-by"'s also in dbtr hmmm. no no, i've got
it--in blood and fire, "i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in
love" x3. definitely. oh well, so i have three.

--kelly s

hey kfs,
i don't have a "thing" for either indigo girl--something about celebrities
turns me off automatically, like "hey, they're famous, and i'm not, and
since that's obviously wrong--it's not wrong that they are famous but that
i am not--there's no way i'm even letting my gonads be stirred"--but i do
think that shed your skin has just about the sexiest lyrics i've ever,
ever, ever heard.  every time i'm singing along with my tape i think,
"where are the women who should be worshipping me just because i know
these lines?"  whoa!  tell me it's holy, holy....um, okay, it's holy!  you
shed your skin, baby, now shed this.  any questions abou; what this might
be?  i mean really!  for an almost entirely inarticulate song, sys is
amazingly sexual.  go amy.

susie and i are going to michigan! well okay, it's 7 months away, but it
could happen! who's gonna bring the ig tent? ;-)

and...that's about it, folks! i'm going to go to sleep now, or soon,
anyway.

sleep well all you muffinheads!
luv,
suzi

i believe the concert that beth is referring to is the pbs on tour appearance
that was originally shown a few months ago--four songs and little interview
snippets.

looking back at older lyrics, there are animals everywhere!

cats (pushing the needle, all along the watchtower, secure yourself,
chickenman)
dogs (chickenman, mystery, )
monkey (welcome me)
deer (chickenman)
snakes (ghost, shed your skin)
prairie dogs (chickenman)
birds (prince of darkness, love's recovery)
tigers (love will come to you)
a rabbit (chickenman)
a coyote (welcome me)
a horse (keeper of my heart)
a lamb (center stage)

next question...how many devils, and angels, and ghosts?

--shelley (who's been reading lyrics when she should be packing)

hey folky folks,

dana said:
>i'm pretty sure her parents were divorced. i met someone who's choir teacher

erm... nope. i believe both amy and emily's parents are
still married to each other. er, i mean, amy's parents are
still married, and emily's parents are still married, not
that amy's parents are married to emily's parents or
anything like that... :)

i'll stop now. *grin*
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"when you wake up from this night, oh yes there'll be a morning;
the sun's gonna be shining bright, with new ideas dawning.
and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

alright, just a quick question here.  does anyone have any information on who
might be opening for the girls in these upcoming ca concerts?  i just ran across
an old post from last fall that mentioned that there was a good chance k's
choice might be opening for the january shows.  somebody please tell me if this
is true before i sell my san fransisco tickets and have a nervous breakdown!!!
okay.  i'm better.  but, seriously...anyone?

marivel

"i like being gay. but i would like
being straight if i were straight too.
i like it you know. i like the idea of
having intimate relationships with anybody."

--a.r.

on sat, 10 jan 1998, christy lynch wrote:

i think they are what we call "cat's eyes" in this country - they are
reflectors which are embedded in the road, which show you which way the
road is going when it's dark by reflecting your headlights. the median
is either the middle of the road, or the central reservation (if it's a
dual carriageway, which this doesn't sound like).

mat

in a message dated 98-01-10 18:54:55 est, stephen.zamon@utoronto.ca writes:

<< wouldn't you want ig, if they're
hopefully still making albums by then, to win a grammy in 30 years
even though they've been around forever? >>

wow that almost sounds insulting to bob dylan, one of the world's greatest
lyricists ever, and the writer of the song (tuib) a and e said they most
wished they had written! gotta love bob...

bonnie

>and what the heck are "median cats"?? can anyone help please?

i've always thought they were policemen who sit in the median with
speed detection devices, radar guns ... they're growling at her
because there's a lot of them and she is driving faster than she
should be, probably. :)

- rick

>#1) "barking dogs and model planes" in dead man's hill ~amy ray
>#2) "i had guards like watchdogs dogs in a manger" in reunion ~amy ray

how could we forget the reference in chickenman, where both dogs and cats
(and deer) are mentioned? :)

#3) "dead dog on the highway..." in chickenman ~amy ray

- rick

>one of my favorite amy lines is in "ghost" when she sings "unknowing
>captor, you'll never know how much you pierce my spirit." wow.

definately!  she just *swoops* down to that part of the song there,
doesn't she?  another one of my favorite line, as someone else
mentioned about a month or so ago, was the line in "down by the river"
when she sings "oh baby" when they come back in after their solos.
"oh baby! ... she could drag me over the rainbow, send me away..."
:) oooh!  ohh! oh! oh! oh! ..... ahhhh!!  hehehe :)

>peace (and warmth to all of us freezing our butts off--it's currently 2
>degrees here in nw wisconsin!),

2 degrees?! that's very very cold. my heart goes out to you... :)
btw, is that c of f? hehehe :) hopefully not k!!! hehehe :)

- rick

does anybody have a copy of lilith they wouldn't mind dubbing?
the one i got doesn't sync up with either vcr we have...which
means...distorted video and audio...
i'll send the obiligatory blank and sase

thanks :)

in a message dated 98-01-11 02:08:11 est, ssteffen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu writes:

<< susie and i are going to michigan! well okay, it's 7 months away, but it
could happen! who's gonna bring the ig tent? ;-) >>

why are you coming to michigan??? i live in beautiful michigan (ha ha ha). are
ig for sure playing here? help!
dana

in a message dated 98-01-11 05:06:04 est, sherlyn@fl.net.au writes:

<< erm... nope.  i believe both amy and emily's parents are
still married to each other.  er, i mean, amy's parents are
still married, and emily's parents are still married, not
that amy's parents are married to emily's parents or
anything like that... :)
  >>

okay. that's just what i had heard. sorry! :)
dana

someone mentioned the on tour show that the girls were on a while ago and i
checked out that site. they have a whole ig page with sound and video (i
think - i am just going through it now!) and i thought y'all might want to
visit too:

http://www.pbs.org/kcet/ontour/episode24/girls.html

have fun!
~flora

well, i'm back in good old charlottesville after a crazy
three day dar trip and there were 210 messages in my inbox
when i got back.  c'mon, people, i don't want to have to
subscribe to the igc only list so please can we cut down on
the me too posts and please can everybody read the
wonderful wonderful faq so you don't ask questions that
sherlyn and whoever else made up the faq (deb?) answered so
well?  "median cat" refers to the time when amy saw a cat
on the median of the highway and tried to catch it so it
wouldn't get hit by a car.  it didn't want to be caught
(thus "median cat's growlin' at me") and later on ended up
getting hit by a car.  words straight from amy's mouth.
and on that thread, i think every word amy's ever said is
sexy.  that voiiiiiiiiiice...
                           stephanie

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
indigo@virginia.edu
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~slm4b/

"i am 32 flavors and then some" -alana davis
(just kidding, these words of course were written by the
goddess ani)

so what's up with the whole bumper sticker thing?? did anyone come up with
some designs? have we agreed upon a slogan?? let's not just let this drop...
i really want one!!
molly o+

i have a couple of questions that i just know someone out there has the
answers to.......

1) on the mountain stage show - what was the reason they restarted power of
two? emily says "this always happens to us"....... i went back over the old
digests, but couldn't find the post about it.

2) does anyone know which show has the "i will not be complacent" chickenman
soc? i'm sure it's from '95, but i can't seem to find it.....

thank you =)
lisa

o.k. people...just wanted to jump on quickly to say good-bye...don't be
saddened though....just for a few days. i hope the discussions stay
groovy while i'm gone - i'll be resubscribed as soon as my computer's up
and running...please pray for me - let my roommate be an indigo girls
fan. :) a'ight...that's all for now - talk to ya' soon!

-carrie & heather (got your messages this morning...i'll respond soon :)

later taters!
-bethany ;)

i'm not sure if amy did it more then once. but i do know she did the "i will
not be complacent" soc at the universal amphitheatre in l.a. during "touch me
fall". sorry but i do not have it on tape but i remember it very happening
very clearly because it was the first time i remember seeing an soc.

in a message dated 98-01-11 13:49:01 est, <memememi@aol.com> writes:

> 2) does anyone know which show has the "i will not be complacent"
chickenman
> soc? i'm sure it's from '95, but i can't seem to find it.....

i am planning to go to my first ig concert ever. i am really excited.
don't know where yet. hopefully not too far from mo where i live. i have
a couple questions. where is the best place to find current tour info? i
have heard that the epic site is not the most current or accurate. what
about pollstar? also, i have seen some really nice photos from their
concerts on web pages. are cameras allowed or just "snuck in"? i would
love to bring my camera, but do not want to risk getting it confiscated.
also, i would guess that flash is not allowed? also, how is the best way
to get good seating? sorry about all the newbie questions but i would
really appreciate any advice.

also, i am most eager to get copies of any videos that are available. i
have watershed and live at the uptown lounge, but have heard there is a
disney special '94 recorded at sheperd's bush empire, london, and a pay
per view from last fall. i would love to have a copy of any of these if
anyone can help me out. i would provide the blank tape and postage as i
don't have anything to trade. thanks a lot. syd

syd@socketis.net

lisa asked:

<<does anyone know which show has the "i will not be complacent" chickenman
soc? i'm sure it's from '95, but i can't seem to find it.....>>

hmm...i know she did this during touch me fall at newport in '94, and at one
of the berkeley shows that august. i don't know about her doing it during
chickenman.

peace,
shelley

p.s. if there are any chicago area listees out there, i'd love to hear from
you. i'm pretty sure i'll be moving there this spring, and am looking for
ideas for apartment-hunting, cool womens or gay/lesbian organizations/events,
etc.

oops!!

first of all, i'm going to make the infamous apology for wasting
bandwidth......

the "i will not be complacent" soc that i'm looking for is actually from touch
me fall, not chickenman.

the problem is that i promised it to someone and i can't find it! any help
would be greatly appreciated!!

here are the words (thanks to tigger!!)
******************************************
hey, are you awake?
i'm not awake!
will you get up?
i can't get up.
can you get up?
i can't get up.
why can't you?
cause i dont want to.
why don't you want to?
sometimes everything comes down really hard.
why don't you wanna get up?
cause everything comes down.
why does everything come down?
cause i let it.
you let it?
i let it.
you let it?
i let it.
can you learn this?
i can learn this!
let me teach you something.
i will be taught!
let me teach you something.
i will be taught!
when you get up in the morning
we all wanna say this
we all wanna get up
and we all wanna say this.
you will say:
i will walk down the street.
i will hold my head high.
i will say hello to everyone i meet.
i will have love in my heart.
when i have hate, i will turn my hate into energy.
when i have anger i will turn my anger into energy.
when i am negative i will be negative only for as long as i need to be until i
understand it and then i will be positive.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent!
and i will not be complacent!
and i will not be complacent!
and i will not be complacent!
and i will not be a racist!
and i will not be a sexist!
and i will not be a homophobic asshole!
and i will love!
and i will love!
and i will be happy
that i am
alive!!!
1....2....3...4....jump jump jump so high.....

hi y'all! first of all, i think the university is going to take down the
old e-mail system, so this is my new e-mail address. my web page will
remain at the same url. please write to me at this address if you are
ever so inclined to do so ;-).

secondly, today, on my way to the mall (uggg... i do hate that place) i
heard "hey kind friend" on the radio!  yes, if there is something
wonderful about south central ohio, it is that we get wyso, this kickbutt
npr station from antioch college.  they play all this cool folk music.
every sunday from 2-4pm, they have this show called "women in music".  so,
today they played "hkf"!  i was psyched to hear it.  it is unusual to hear
an ig song on that show; i have heard a lot of dar, christine lavin, laura
nyro, etc, but never any ig!  so it was really cool.  now i have a nigc
question.  does anyone have that cd called "women's work" put out by
putumayo?  i think i'm going to get it because on the show today, they
played all this great music that i was not familiar with from that cd
(plus a song by ani!!!).  also (i know i'm gonna butcher the spelling),
has anyone heard of mary gauchier (i know the first 4 letters are gauc,
but i lost it after that!).  they played 2 cool songs by her today.

peace, love, :-), and ig,
karen :-)

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"if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
--indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
--indigo girls (amy)

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu                 s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu
                       indigodar@aol.com
               http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/~klrosenb/

east asian studies political science
major minor
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hi everybutty

hope everyone had a fabulous weekend! lyn and gang, sorry i didn't make it to
the cape...i got an offer for shelter from the wondrous anj and karen (aka
leathery and smoky) and the closeness to home was too much to pass
up...especially because i thought (silly fuckin me) that i'd be returning to
power today! but nooooo. no power, no wattage, no nuttin. the town i live in
is still dark, except for (guess what anj and karen) the fuckin minimart!! yes,
you can get eggs and milk and coffee and the latest issue of "hot rod"
magazine, and then go back to your freezing cold iceboxuva house with no
lights! cool!

so, anyway, waaaah for me. they are supposed to have things back in order by
tuesday but you know, i'm thinkin' it might be 1999 by the time i can sit in
the sus-jacuzzi again....

anyways, thanks to all of you who have sent love, wellwishes and good
vibes...and cc and pooh, and suzi and whoever else i owe mail to.... i haven't
dropped off the planet, so bear with me
sweeties

happy sunday. haaaarrrumph.

sus

hey folks,

just been goofing around looking for ticket information on the
australian ig tour. i did find a bit of new stuff, so here
it is:

* it looks like there *won't* be a second melbourne show
(would have been on sun feb 22), as there are still plenty of
seats left for the first show down there.  damn.
* tickets for the second sydney show (fri feb 27) went on sale
last week.  the first show is completely sold out, according
to the ticketmaster web site.  way to go sydney. :)
* tickets for the adelaide show (mon mar 2), which is at a club
called heaven which is in the newmarket hotel, will go onsale
this friday (jan 16).  tickets will be available from fringe
tix, apparently, although i couldn't find a listing for them
in the online white pages... hm.

okay, that's all i know!  happy happy folks,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [currently at work or someplace.]
   "truth is just like time - it catches up
    and it just keeps going..."         - dar williams

could somebody who knows the area please e-mail me quick adn tell me how long it
takes a taxi to get from the warfield to the airport?  i'm dealing with seconds
here.  exactly how many will i need to get there?  and it's been a few weeks
since i've been to a concert so i've forgotten when they usually end.  i'm
thinking about 11pm when they start at 8pm, right?  or would it be more like
10:45?  of course if i get myself up to front row where i wanna be it could be
weeks before i get out of there and even into a taxi.  auuugh.  this could get
messy.  can anyone help me out with times?  thanks...

marivel

"i like being gay. but i would like
being straight if i were straight too.
i like it you know. i like the idea of
having intimate relationships with anybody."

--a.r.

if they got smooshed, how could they be growling??? just a thought. . .
:)

shannon

at 12:57 am 1/11/98 est, shell018 wrote:
>i've always thought that the "median cats" were those cats that got hit by
>cars while trying to cross the road--suburban roadkill

especially if amy was trying to catch it!

tony

hey kind friends~

here is the "i will not be complacent" soc from touch me fall on the
houston 9-3-94 bootleg.
tmf - soc

hold your love up to the sun
hold your head up high
and don't be afraid, but love one another(?)
and when you walk down the street
hold your head up high
and i will take my hate and turn it into love
and i will take my anger and turn it into energy
and i will walk down the street and i will hold my head up high

and i will have love in my heart
and when i have hate i will turn around and talk about it....
and i will not be complacent
and i will not be complacent
and i will not be complacent
and i will not be complacent!
and i_will not_ be complacent!!
and_i will not be complacent_!!!
and i will not be a racist
and i will not be homophobic
and i will not be a sexist
and i will have love---
one, two, three, four
jump, jump, jump so high
watch me let you down....
touch me in the fall...
we will not be complacent!

i       tony doolittle - houston, texas, usa            g
n                                                       i
d       not content to bow and bend to the whims        r
i       of culture that swoop like vultures eating      l
g       us away to our extinction -  emily saliers      s
o

at 04:11 am 1/12/98 gmt, indigo jo wrote:

>you are receiving this message because it comes from, or through, a site
>from which i have received junk (spam) or abusive email in the past. if
>you genuinely want to contact me, then please re-send your email, using
>the password "henrythehumanfly" in the subject line.
>
hey jo~

your "message ignored" responses are getting a bit irritating. why
don't you just sign off the ig list if you don't want to receive messages
from it!

i have one extra seattle ig ticket for friday, jan 23. 8:00pm in the
paramount.
it's row c in the balcony, seat 9. i'm selling it for what i paid, $33, or
best offer.
write me if interested: bbertiaux@earthlink.net

also know of two other seattle tickets for thursday, jan.22. these are in
row t on the floor. if interested, contact bonster at
bonster@u.washington.edu

thanks,
betsy

"i'm not really like that."

bbertiaux@earthlink.net

        should you decide to accept this mission, you have until friday,
1-16-97 noon (cst) to answer these questions.  please reply by private
e-mail to <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>.  the money categories are *just* for
fun!!!!!  i'm not shelling out $1,000's...

*categories* politics, chickenman, songwriters, fashion, food

politics

$100    over 42 supporters of this indigenous indian rebellion were
slaughtered in the          chiapas state of mexico on december 22, 1997?
(the 42 victims included 21 women,         six men, 14 children and an infant.)

$200 amy is "practicing politics" in this song?

$300 ig's practice this type of "horticultural" politics?

chickenman

$100 the chickenman sold this to amy?

$200 emily was "where/doing what" when amy met the chickenman?

$300 amy met the chickenman near this texas city? (not austin or houston!)

songwriters

$100 emily's favorite female singer/songwriter?

$200 group that originally wrote & performed "get together"?

$300 alpha dog on the new mongrels album (daemon recording)?

fashion

$100 she wears the fashionable red shoes?

$200 what sort of "spots" are on amy's very faded red jeans with ripped
knees??

$300 who wore the leopard design skirt outfit on the '97 summer tour?

food

$100 the coffee's hot and this is high?

$200 emily's personality is this type of food?

$300 a diet devoid of animals and animal by-products?

good luck folks!

success!

for everyone who has so kindly tried to help me out with this, i have finally
figured it out. the tmf soc that i was looking for (and the one that i posted
before) is actually from the 8/13/94 red rocks, co show.

much thanks to *everyone* who helped me narrow that down (especially shelley
and tony).  i was looking for not only the wrong year, but also the wrong
song!!   i guess the 1....2....3....4.....at the end should have been a clue
to me.  <duh>

thanks!!!!!
=)
lisa

ps - if you have more dates, with more soc's, please feel free to email me!

to chrisherm346, yes there is an eric johnson mailing list
out there, if you want to subscribe, e-mail phul@mail.utexas.edu
with the subject heading: subscribe ej

the hendrix reference in that smuirk was to when the band
said he was an imporoant musical influence on them. ou
may or may not be able to hear it in their music.

gday all,
phul

***beware-- this is very long and contains no igc but i wanted to post it
anyway:-)

     last night i went to the susan werner and martin sexton concert at the
mccarter theater in princeton, nj.  it was awesome!!  there were many really
older people there ( i guess i was kind of expecting a younger crowd in a
college town).  anyhow, my friend and i got tickets there for $10 but they
were all the way up in the mezzenine.  so for all of susan's set we were far
away.  but during intermission, we snuck up to the third row, and i managed to
snag susan's setlist.    she sang a few new songs (a few of which were really
funny), last of the gsg, berkeley, tappan, bonsai and a few older ones that
i'm not too familiar with.  but she was in such a good mood and was really
funny.  at one point, after she sang berkeley sq.  she asked if anyone had
ever been there and if it was romantic and then this guy yelled out "i got
mugged there!!!" and she was laughing hysterically.  anyhow, so we got to sit
third row to see this guy i had never heard of, martin sexton, who turned out
to be absolutely phenomenal.  he rocked the house bangin on his guitar and had
so much energy. then for his first encore, he sang this really good song
called "ice cream man'" and susan came out to sing with him. then martin
started singing in this really good ella fitzgerald impersonation voice, and
susan matched it by singing in this really good louie armstrong impersonation
voice.  it was soooooooo cool!!!!    then susan left the stage and martin
closed with a cover a pink floyd's wish you were here-> the machine-> if i'm
going to san francisco (not by pf, of course).  that rocked.  and one of his
really big fans sitting near me said that that was the first cover he has ever
done in concert.
    so then we go into the lobby and as i'm walking around i overhear this
woman say that she's martin's manager and she was going back stage in a few
minutes and anyone who wanted to go could follow her.  at this point it was
almost a half hour after the show, and not many people were still around.  so,
i followed her and got to shmooze with martin for a while.  then susan came in
and i went right up to here and said how much i loved her music and asked her
to sign her setlist for me, and she did.  yay! :-)  anyways, then i said to
her " you know, your getting pretty big."  to which she replied, "what!!?  i
don't think so.  you must have me confused with one of those famous musician
persons."  (everyone laughs.)  so i said, "no, a friend of mine from australia
(ok. i'm referring to sherlyn, who wrote me a very nice long letter
introducing me to susan's music and well, i never really met her but we're all
friends on this list right? right! :-)   said that she had found susan's cd's
in china and hong kong (in her first post back like 2 days ago) and susan was
like "sherlyn!!!!!  she's so sweet! tell her i say hi.  so sherlyn, susan
werner says hi.  :-)
  all in all, it was an amazing evening.  sorry this is so long, and my
deepest apologies for the lack of indigo content but  i just wanted to share
my excitement with everybody. my deepest gratitude if you got this far.
thanks for reading.
                                    mike d.
    ps- can't wait to get back to school to get off digested mode.  it's
pretty annoying.

yes! and i love watching her sing it all alone on the live at the uptown video. ;)
toye
----------
> i think that amy's sexiest moments are in "blood and fire" that song is
> pure, 100% amy passion.

when they were in st. louis in 92, everyone clapped and cheered when amy said, "swamp ophelia." i think it may be because if you look in the dictionary under ophelia, it is defined as a girl's given name. just to think of amy saying some girl's name maybe???

toye

----------
> i love that "swamp ophelia" line in touch me fall, too!!

i will keep this short and if any of you want more information please
contact me privately.

i am interested in starting a chapter of the national commission for
democracy in mexico. i need 10 members to become official. please
contact me if you are interested.

joy b
blaze@voy.net

i just bought "jesus christ superstar: a resurrection" and i think amy sounds
exceptionally sexy throughout the entire album. the part of jesus was made for
her, regardless of what webber thinks. a few favorites:

1.) right after simon zealotes' song:
"...understand what power is/understand what glory is/understand at all..."

2.) "hosanna" - she's singing through a megaphone, battling with caiaphas
(this is my gf's favorite part - she's too shy to post it herself...love ya,
aimee)

now some non-jcs:

* "get out the map" - the very end when she sings the melody line "i'm gonna
love you good and strong while our love is good and young." this sounds so
sexy to me because we're so used to hearing her sing so low and in harmony
that when she sings the melody in a higher range, it sounds wonderful and
unexpected.

* "caramia" - her whole harmony line is great (akin to the "ghost" harmony
mentioned earlier)

* and to everyone who said "walk away", "blood and fire", and the "c'mon
over now" line from "shed your skin" i just have one word - amen!!!

now, i love emily just as much as i love amy - there's no either/or. face it,
they wouldn't be the indigo girls as we know and love them if they didn't have
each other. i personally enjoy more of emily's songs and i think she has a
little more training vocally and instrumentally than amy. but amy provides the
heat that emily doesn't always show in her songs. they make a great team.

anyone else enjoy jcsx???
kasey

hi folks,

i think enough of you will be interested in this. hope some of you can find
a local demo. nothing going on here in england but this email will be my
bit of 'international action.

for information, i got this email via the green party of england and wales
discussion group. i believe it to be accurate but can't take full
responsibility.

as they say ... peace,

johnd

ps note one of the original receivers was indigo.ie (ireland). coincidence?

-----original message-----
from: peter doran <pfdoran@ecology.u-net.com>
to: vincent macdowell <vmacdowe@iol.ie>; roy johnston <rjohston@imsgrp.com>;
peter doran <pfdoran@ecology.u-net.com>; lucille <drlos@anu.ie>; john
goodwillie <goodwill@indigo.ie>; green party comhaontas glas
<greenpar@iol.ie>; edel hackett <liberty@connect.ie>; alan warren
<copycats@enterprise.net>
date: 10 january 1998 19:44

>
>
>
>action alert from the foyle green party:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>international day of action- january 12, 1998
>stop the war in chiapas!
>stop u.s. military aid to mexico!
>demonstrations to be held in mexico, spain, france, italy, switzerland,
>canada and more than 24 cities in the u.s.
>
>
>outrage over the massacre of 45 children, women and men on december 22nd in
>chiapas, mexico has erupted worldwide in the last two weeks.  more than 20
>cities here in the united states staged demonstrations on january 2nd at
the
>mexican consulates, while in europe and mexico similar actions have taken
>place.  following the incursion of the mexican military into the zapatista
>communities of la realidad, morelia and others on january 3rd, the
zapatista
>front of national liberation (fzln) shut down the mexican stock market for
>several hours, while simultaneously taking over two radio stations in
mexico
>city on january 5th.  groups worldwide have pledged to continue to increase
>the levels of organization, mobilization and action until the war is
stopped
>in chiapas.
>
>an international day of action on january 12th has been called for by the
>zapatistas and the fzln in response to the massacre in chiapas. the
>complicity of  mexican state and federal authorities in the killings
remains
>unresolved.  the illegal incursions of the mexican military has resulted in
>beatings, harassment, widespread terror and the displacement of zapatista
>communities.  yet they continue unabated in spite of the resignations of
>highly placed pri officials.  these facts signal a continuation of the
>policies which led to the massacre.  most disturbing are concerns about the
>ease with which us military aid is being used for counter-insurgency
efforts
>in mexico.  as one commentator from msnbc noted in reference to the
massacre
>and continuing violence in chiapas, "the cia has left its footprints-again
>allying itself with questionable elements within a foreign country's
>military." ("planning the cia's next secret war," michael moran, msnbc)
>
>the severity of the war in mexico has elicited a powerful response.  now,
>the national commission for democracy in mexico (ncdm), in conjunction with
>the ezln and fzln ask all people of conscience to undertake and intensify
>efforts being made to prevent the outbreak of full scale war in chiapas.
we
>ask the following:
>1. join one of the 24 demonstrations taking place in us cities nationwide,
>and others worldwide on january 12th.  if there is not a demonstration
>planned in your area, we ask that you organize one at the nearest mexican
>consulate, federal building, drug enforcement agency, military office or
>base, etc. important announcements in regards to national campaigns will
>also be announced including a divestment strategy and an approach to
>congressional representatives. please contact the ncdm for more
information.
>2. contact your local city council and congressional representatives,
>arrange visits in order to express your concern over the following: a)the
>status of the investigation into the massacre of the 45 tzotzil indians in
>chiapas and allegations concerning the mexican state and federal
authorities
>and military's complicity in the killings. b) the illegal incursions of the
>mexican army on january 3rd into the zapatista communities of la realidad,
>morelia, yaltchilpic, san caralampio, 10th of april and aldama.  these
>incursions are a direct violation of the federal law for dialogue,
>conciliation and a peace with dignity in chiapas (march 11, 1195) which
>prohibits the persecution of members and sympathizers of the ezln. c) that
>the mexican government has sent a strong signal of its desire for war with
>the violation of the march 1995 and the build-up of federal army troops
>around zapatista communities d) that as a result of the army's movements
and
>the continuing presence of paramilitary groups, there are currently more
>than 7,000 refugees in chiapas. e) that full-scale war seems imminent due
to
>the provocations of the mexican military and paramilitary groups f) to
>prevent war and further bloodshed the mexican government must demilitarize
>the indigenous communities, implement the san andres agreements on
>indigenous rights and culture, and meet the minimal five conditions set by
>the ezln for a renewal of meaningful dialogue and negotiations with the
>mexican government in a peaceful and non-violent context.
>3. we ask that you also raise your concerns about us military involvement
in
>mexico by asking your congressional representative to: a) attend a briefing
>for the congressional human rights caucus regarding the situation in
>chiapas.  it is being organized by congressman tom lantos's office on
>january 15th at 11am in washington dc. b) ask your congress person to
>co-sponsor legislation to end all military aid to mexico which includes
>equipment and training to the mexican military. such an action would be in
>accordance to the provisions established under the leahy amendment. c)
>demand a full public disclosure of the amount and type of assistance the us
>has given to mexico and an accounting of how it has been used.
>4. send letters, faxes and emails to president clinton, secretary of state
>madeline albright, un ambassador bill richardson, president zedillo and the
>consul general of your local consulate expressing the above concerns.
>
>we must not allow this dirty war against the indigenous to escalate and
>continue.  civil society can not allow the government of mexico and others
>who perpetuate this genocidal war to count on our passivity. organize,
>mobilize and take action now!!!
>
>there must not be another vietnam in mexico.
>
>there must not be another wounded knee in the americas.
>
>
>
>for more information please contact the ncdm at: (800) 405-7770 or (213)
>254-9550, email: moonlight@igc.apc.org, website: www.igc.org/ncdm
>peter doran
>university of ulster, derry, northern ireland
>earth negotiations bulletin, iisd, 212 e 47th. new york
>
>telephone and fax: *44 1504 268403
>e-mail: pf.doran@ulst.ac.uk     or    pfdoran@ecology.u-net.com
>         web address> www.ecology.u-net.com/cv.htm
>

on 1/8/98 9:17 pm, christy lynch wrote:

"i have long been a beatles fan. amy, in my opinion, can be compared to
john
lennon. she's mysterious, sometimes misunderstood, an activist, the
"leader" type, etc. emily reminds me of paul mccartney. she is quiet,
introspective, her songs reflect her personality (you know what i mean),
the more passive one. also, together lennon/mccartney are brilliant
singers/songwriters, and amy and emily are brilliant together. in both
cases, it has been speculated that none of the artists's careers would
have
been as successful as if they had worked individually. i just thought of
this and it seems to have a lot of holes right now. does anyone see it?
let
me know. thanks."

this might have been discussed already this weekend, but i am a loooong
time beatles fan also and i just had to add my $.02.  i definitely agree
with you christy.  it had occurred to me also.  while amy/lennon is the
leader type, emily/mccartney seems to be the "showman" of the group.
lennon/amy=mysterious and sexy and emily/mccartney=cute & charming?
perhaps, but i won't go there.  however, i think it applies more to
their musical style rather than the content.  amy is a lot like lennon
like you said but emily is much more introspective than mccartney.
until his later solo career, macca has rarely been introspective in his
songwriting.  while lennon's songs reflected his life and feelings like
amy,  macca usually wrote in the third person or created characters.
however, i think musically, a&e seem to compliment and balance each
other like lennon and mccartney.  while emily/mccartney's  musical style
is more traditional, amy/lennon's music  seems to be wilder and more
experimental.  i don't know a&e's songwriting process but
lennon/mccartney helped each other.  mccartney kept lennon from being
too far out there while lennon kept mccartney from being too sappy.
together emily&amy and lennon&mccartney are brilliant!

just a few thoughts..............

debbie 8-)

if you haven't already heard from me, the offer is closed.  after the last
time, i didn't expect a huge number of responses, much less 57.  i'm sure
that once i finish all of these, i'll make the offer again.  if i haven't
graduated and don't have access to email anymore, that is.

:)
anna

"don't worry about what you do the first year after college. it's not
what you'll be doing for the rest of your life." --annie dillard
http://narnia.emu.edu/students/creechal/creechal.htm

hey y'all,

i was off the list over the holidays and i just got back on.  could someone
tell me if that lilith boot has been tree-ed yet.  if yes, can someone
forward it to me.  i really want that tape!!

thanks a lot!!

rob
**********************************************
* "the flesh is strong, the spirit stronger  *
*  so shed your skin, baby, let it through!" *
*                           --amy ray        *
**********************************************

i'm looking for one ticket to a san francisco show-any one know of any extras floating around? please e-mail me privately, thanks!

amy

ok, file this one under the "just goes to show you" file that we all
should have, reminding us that "everything you know is wrong." (lest
we forget, and get too full of ourselves)
anyway, from the first time i heard it, i always "knew" that the
lines about "median cats are growlin' at me/i turn my lights on
brighter" etc. referred to road-trekking, which i've been known to
do well into the wee hours of the night myself...and of course anybody
who's driven 500 or 600 or 700 miles a day can tell you what a
jarring thing it is when your tires start that loud growling as you
begin to edge sleepily off the roadway and onto the shoulder or
the median. (most interstates have those ribbed areas of pavement
to help sleepy drivers avoid unwanted collisions with bridges,
unexpected rollovers into ditches, and other sudden-death type
encounters) sheesh. and to think i've always been wrong about
what she was referring to. i still can't believe it. did amy really
say that she was talking about a cat she tried to save on a median?
man, this is a good one for me...ok nic, always remember that just cuz
you think you know something for sure, you can still turn out to be
badly mistaken.

peace-nic (who's off to munch some crow now) (figuratively speaking)

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in a message dated 98-01-11 13:46:02 est, you write:

<< 2)  does anyone know which show has the "i will not be complacent"
chickenman
soc?   i'm sure it's from '95, but i can't seem to find it.....
  >>
i can't find an "i will not be complacent" soc from chickenman, but amy used
those words during touch me fall. i have it on the following boot:

live at the woodlands, texas 9-3-94 touch me fall (w/i will not be complacent
soc and "you'll never walk alone" verse)

i also have touch me fall soc's on these two, but can't remember if they are
the "i will not be complacent" ones.

live at the gaillard auditorium, charleston, sc (2-7-95)

live at the palace, new haven, ct. 4/24/95

i don't remember any chickenman soc's that contain that phrase, but would love
to have a copy if anybody digs one up.

a quick note on another topic:  i judged a high school playwrighting contest
this past week and one of the better entries was titled kid fears!  the
playwright did a nice job of capturing amy's themes and the anguish of being a
kid and having to worry about things much larger than the "boogeyman."  the
suggestion for pre-show music: kid fears and prince of darkness!

peace,

pam

if there is anyone out there who has any information on rockford college in
il please e-mail me privately.

thanks!
lisa

lisa nordeen
instructor - wellness/sport science
university of minnesota, morris
nordeelm@caa.mrs.umn.edu
(320) 589-6429 (o) (320) 589-4782 (h)

"ran as hard as i could, still ended up here."
-emily saliers

there was a little article in the toronto free gay weekly on women who
rocked this year, and no mention of ig...it was pretty fascetious, so i
suppose i'm glad. the new york times music writers all put out their top
ten of the year, most of which included dylan's new album, which is
really great except that his voice has gotten even worse with age (but
the songs are wonderful anyway)...the only female critic put ani's
living in clip on her list, and they all loved emily's favorite, missy
elliot (who i havne't heard) and i'm not one to challenge personal
preferences...but one of them put the *hanson* album in his top ten.
really: did they do anything out of the ordinary on their album? oh
well.

if anybody is in toronto (hi denise- yes i'm back again till sunday) i'm
gonna play a couple of songs at free times cafe tonight...

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

hey, this is just a thought (no reason to believe it, it's just pure
speculation)...since em's dad is a prof, maybe he was on sabbatical
for a year in minnesota? makes a lot of sense to me.
peace-nic

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regarding recent references to amy's (sexy) utterance of the name
"ophelia," i often think of the poem by rimbaud, titled ophelia...
though references to ophelia abound in literature, his poem comes to
mind often when i hear the name. the following are the first few
stanzas:

where the stars sleep in the calm black stream,
like some great liliy, pale ophelia floats,
slowly floats, wound in her veils like a dream.
- half heard in the woods, halloos from distant throats.

a thousand years has sad ophelia gone
glimmering on the water, a phantom fair;
a thousand years her soft distracted song
has waked the answering evening air.

the wind kisses her breasts and shakes
her long veils lying softly on the stream;
the shivering willows weep upon her cheeks;
across her dreaming brows the rushes lean.

the wrinkled water lilies round her sigh;
and once she wakes a nest of sleeping things
and hears the tiny sound of frightened wings;
mysterious music falls from the starry sky.

and so on.
<sigh>
love that poem...

peace-nic

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mm is playing eddie's attic thursday night.... what are the chances amy will
show up again?????

keeping fingers crossed!!
~~robin

ok i had to add my two cents here because i'm a huge paul mccartney fan.
lennon was wonderful too but my heart belongs to paul. it's probably not a
very good idea to compare lennon and mccartney to amy and emily simply
because it creates a tendency to generalize too much. people usually
classify paul as the consumate balladeer and sappy-love-song writer and john
as the experimental, radical, leader. those kinds of classifications are
simply not true to character. in the sixties when john was living outside of
london in weybridge (i think it was weybridge) paul was living in london
dabbling in the avante garde, experimenting with sound and film, seeing
plays, reading contemporary poetry, etc. he was very cultural and had an
eclectic taste ranging from classical music to blues to simple little tape
loops he made at home. people listen to songs such as "tomorrow never knows"
with it's distinct, trippy sound and automatically conclude that it must be
john's. well, the truth is that john pretty much copied the lyrics from
timothy leary and paul was the one who had the idea for, made, and put in
all the funky little tape loops for the song. paul also had the idea for the
orchestral crescendo in "a day in the life" which was one of the factors
that made the song legendary.

john became experimental when he met yoko and the two of them learned much
of it from paul. "revolution 9" from the white album is almost exclusively
john and yoko's. they got the idea from something that paul did in 1967
called "carnival of light" which has never been released which is why most
people attribute the experimental sound in rev 9 to john and yoko.

it's dangerous to generalize the talent of lennon and mccartney into certain
categories, and even more dangerous to compare emily and amy to them. one
generalization that is probably the most true is that paul is usally an
optimist in his songwriting while john often (but not always as we see in
his late solo career) writes about the pessimistic side of nature. i don't
think we can say that about emily and amy. sure emily is an optimist, but
not all the time. amy certainly isn't pessimistic all the time either,
though she has her moments. paul was a better all-around musician than john
(not to take anything away from john's brilliance). i don't think that can
be said in regard to amy and emily. emily may be better on lead, but their
styles are different and complement each other. nobody can really say one is
better than the other.

ta!

jendy

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-emily saliers

alright.  the dream is officially dead.  i had an epiphany (?) last night in the
dark and it's cool now.  i can't spend $500 to fly across the country for 2
days.  i wouldn't be able to look at myself in the mirror.  so what i really
need to do now is try and get my tickets to someone who can use them.  what i
have left is:

1 for the 1/26/98 (monday) show at the warfield in san fransisco (mainfloor
general admision).

1 for the 1/27/98 (tuesday) show at the warfield in sf (also mainfloor general
admission)

1 for the 2/1/98  (sunday) show at the university of california, san diego
campus (rimac arena).  second row amy side!!!  i cannot imagine letting a second
row seat go unused.  pleeease for all that is good and right with the world
(yeah okay that's not a lot, but there are a *few* things!) please somebody take
this ticket from me!  if you've never seen a show from really close up...it's
worth a long drive, sleepless nights, and of course the $30.60 i paid for the
ticket.  i'll pay postage to send it to ya priority mail.  please.  i'm begging.
alright i'm done.  thanks...

marivel

"i like being gay. but i would like
being straight if i were straight too.
i like it you know. i like the idea of
having intimate relationships with anybody."

--a.r.

maybe everyone there were huge shakespeare fans!?!  well, i don't like
shakespeare too much, but i did kinda like ophelia.  the imagery
described just seemed so beautifu ('cept for the dying thing), and heart
wrenching.  yeah, it sure was hamlet...every body loved that danish
prince.

love,
carol

>when they were in st. louis in 92, everyone clapped and cheered when
amy said, "swamp ophelia." i think it may be because if you look in the
dictionary under ophelia, it is defined as a girl's given name. just to
think of amy saying some girl's name maybe???
>
>toye
>
>----------
>> i love that "swamp ophelia" line in touch me fall, too!!
>

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i just got this off the outvoice list..if its already been posted,
sorry!!!

               inspired by insanity, losing my job, financial
                        aid, and my crazy man!
                                jeanette

you can't polish shit, but you can smear it
-t. casper

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---------- forwarded message ----------
date: mon, 12 jan 1998 00:29:47 -0800
from: outvoice!! <outvoice-publish@queernet.org>
to: outvoice@queernet.org
subject: glama nominees announced

2nd annual gay/lesbian american music awards announced

me'shell ndeg�ocello and indigo girls among 72 nominees;
ru paul garners special award
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for immediate release
january 12, 1998

                for more information:
                craig karpel, the karpel group
                212-989-0300

          new york:  it was definitely a "girls night out" as glama
announced their nominees for the 2nd annual gay/lesbian american music
awards last night in new york city.  artists such as me'shell
ndeg�ocello, the indigo girls and ferron were each named three times
during the nominee's announcement which took place at "come out and
play," a special glama concert event.  male acts given multiple nods
were tom robinson (4 nominations) and erasure (2 nominations). (a full
listing of nominees and categories follows.)

          other multiple nominees include disappear fear, laura love,
the women's chorus of dallas and the murmurs with two each.  among the
72 nominees in 14 categories are familiar names like k.d. lang's drag
(nominated for album), luscious jackson (band), mark eitzel (male
artist), sleater-kinney (band) and jazz musician fred hersch
(instrumental).  even broadway was represented with a nomination going
to anthony rapp of the tony award-winning rent  (music in a dramatic
setting).

          "we were pleasantly surpised by the number of out gay acts
who submitted, many on major labels, relative to two years ago when we
began," said michael mitchell, glama co-creator and executive producer
who made the annoucement along with comic julie goldman. "there's a
popular misconception that only a few, well-known acts are 'out' when
in reality, there are hundreds of lesbian & gay acts releasing great
music."   over 300 entries were submitted by over 150 acts for
consideration for the 2nd annual glama.  the ceremony takes place on
monday, march 9, 1998 in new york city and will be hosted by comic
suzanne westenhoefer, herself a nominee in the comedy category.

          ru paul was announced as the recipient of the outmusic award
which honors him for his "embodiment of courage and truthful
self-expression."  since his breakaway #1 hit "supermodel," ru paul has
gone on to become a new york radio dj, cosmetics spokesperson and vh-1
talk show host.  "ru paul is someone that has broken down numerous
barriers, including race and commonly held ideas of gender, to become a
household name around the world," said tom mccormack, glama co-creator
and executive producer.  past outmusic award recipients include ferron
and boy george.

          nominees for each category were chosen by judging panels
comprised of music industry executives, music and gay media personnel,
recording artists and others in the music industry.  all nominated
recordings are by self-identified gay, lesbian, or bisexual artists and
were commercially released in the united states between june 1, 1996
and december 31, 1997.  the outmusic award and the michael callen medal
of achievement are chosen by special committees.

mccormack and mitchell created glama in 1995, the first and
only national music awards program to honor the work of out lesbian,
gay, bisexual and transgender recording artists.

          the nominees were announced live on gloradio, the flagship of
planetout broadcasting, on the internet.   the gloradio broadcast of
the entire "come out & play" concert, including the nominees
announcement, is scheduled for jan. 17th at 1pm (pst)/4pm (est), jan.
19th at  9am (pst)/ 12noon (est) and again at 1pm (pst)/ 4pm (est).
gloradio is the first global gay and lesbian broadcast network and is
available at www.planetout.com, www.gloradio.com, or on america online
at keyword: pno radio.  "come out and play" was presented in
association with outmedia's outculture fest '98.

glama is sponsored by village voice, american airlines, and
nyc net.

for more information about glama, call 212-592-4455 or email
glama@nycnet.com or visit their website at www.glama.com.

###

please note: downloadable photo images (print resolution) are available
via www.glama.com. please contact the karpel group for more
information.

2nd annual gay/lesbian american music awards nominees

each category contains 5 nominees except in the categories where ties
occured.
announced: 1/11/98

awards: 3/9/98 nyc

female artist

ferron for the song "the chosen" from the cd still riot (warner
bros/earthbeat!)
laura love for the song "i am wondering" from the cd octoroon (mercury)

me'shell ndegeocello for the song "leviticus: faggot" from the cd peace
beyond passion (maverick/reprise)
michelle malone for the song "the edge" from the cd beneath the devil
moon (velvel)
toshi reagon for the song "where you gon be standin'" from the cd
kindness (smithsonian folkways)

male artist

mark eitzel for the song "free of harm" from the cd west (warner bros)

sid spencer for the song "dancin' thru texas" from the cd chasin' that
neon rainbow
tom robinson for the song "blood brother" on blood brother (castaway
northwest)
tom robinson for the song "castaway " from the cd having it both ways
(cooking vinyl)
william watson for the song "dogon moon" from the cd fields (burnham
woods)

duo/group

cris williamson /tret fure for the song "mary, mary" from the cd
between the covers (wolfmoon/goldenrod)
david downing trio for the song "oh boy " from the cd last night, last
call (significant other)
erasure for the song "boy " from the cd cowboy (maverick/warner bros)
steve schalchlin, gingerfreers, charle esten, alan satchwell & the
heaven bound sound for the song "when you care" from the cd living in
the bonus round (bonus round)
the indigo girls for the song "it's allright" from the cd shaming the
sun (epic)

choral group

amasong for the song "strange fruit" from the cd over here the water is
sweet (amasong)
gay men's chorus of washington, dc for the song "a jubilant gloria"
from the cd pride & joy
positive voices for the song "stand" from the cd until it's over
(sources of hope)
san francisco gay men's chorus for the song "never ever" from the cd
naked man (sfgmc)
women's chorus of dallas for the song "ave maria" from the cd december
(wcd) women's chorus of dallas for the song "change of heart" from the
cd change of heart (wcd)

instrumental recording

anthony demare for "incitation to desire" from the cd gay american
composers (cri)
fred hersch for "it might as well be spring" from the cd hersch plays
rogers & hammerstein (atlantic/nonesuch)
gary burton for "so many things" from the cd club verboten (dcc compact
classics)
john koen for"winter toccata" from the cd robert maggio: seven mad gods
(cri) robert helps for "hommage � fraur�" from the cd gay american
composers (cri)

comedy

bob smith from the cd the gay comedy jam (uproar entertainment)
kate clinton from the cd the best of lesbian comedy, vol 1 (rising
star)
lea delaria for "jesus protect me from your followers" from the cd box
lunch (rising star)
marga gomez for "the lost diary" from the cd hung like a fly (uproar
entertainment)
suzanne westenhoefer for "the martina story" from the cd nothing in my
closet but my clothes (uproar entertainment)

music in a dramatic setting

anthony rapp for the song "rent" from the cd rent (cast recording)
(dreamworks)
the cast of when pigs fly for the song "a patriotic finale" from the cd
when pigs fly (rca victor)
john whitley for the song "ernie & bert (living together)" from the cd
history remembers (major chow)
men out loud for the song "empty chairs at empty tables" from the cd
sweet enuf 2 eat (mercury/pure)
ronnie gilbert for the song "build high the bridge" from the cd this
train still runs(abbe alice)

band

chainsaw kittens for the song "dorothy's last fling" from the cd
chainsaw kittens (mercury/scratchie)
disappear fear for the song "laws of nature" from the cd seed in the
sahara (rounder)
luscious jackson for the song "naked eye" from the cd fever in fever
out(capitol)
mollies revenge for the song "threshold" from the cd every dirty word
(143/atlantic)
the laura love band for the song "octoroon" from the cd octoroon
(mercury)
the murmurs for the song "i'm a mess" from the cd pristine smut (mca)

dance

club 69 for the song "drama" from the cd style (twisted america)
danny tenaglia for the song "ohno" from the cd color me danny (twisted
america)
erasure for the song "don't say your love is killing me" from the cd
cowboy (warner bros)
joi cardwell for the song "you got to pray" from the cd joi cardwell
(eightball)
kevin aviance for the song "din da da" from the ep din da da (wave)

video

extra fancy for the video "sinnerman" from the cd sinnerman (butch
ditties)
kinnie starr for the video "ophelia" from the cd tidy (violet inch)
leslie nuchow for the video "the empty" (slam!)
me'shell ndegeocello for the video "leviticus: faggot" from the cd
peace beyond passion (maverick/reprise)
ru paul for the video "foxy lady" from the cd little bit of love
(rhino)

out recording

ferron for the song "alice says yes" from the cd still riot (warner
bros/earthbeat!)
joules graves for the song "i like you" from the cd plunge! (rabble
rouser)
sleater-kinney for the song "one more hour" from the cd dig me out
(kill rock stars)
the indigo girls for the song "it's allright" from the cd shaming the
sun (epic)
tom robinson for the song "blood brother" from the cd blood brother
(castaway northwest)

original out song

disappear fear for the song "laws of nature" from the cd seed in the
sahara (rounder)
ferron for the song "alice says yes" from the cd still riot (warner
bros/earthbeat!)
meg christian for the song "ode to a gym teacher" from the cd club
verboten (dcc compact classics)
tom robinson for the song "blood brother" from the cd blood brother
(castaway northwest)
zrazy for the song "come out everybody" from the cd come out everybody
(mercury/pure)

debut

julie wolf for the cd walk the worn out floor (palimpset)
karen pernick for the cd apartment 12 (shanachie)
marieann meringolo for the cd hold me close (golden chord)
melbourne gay & lesbian chorus for the cd kaleidescope (mglc)
steven gellman for the cd photobook (hidden poet)

album of the year

catie curtis for the cd soulfully (guardian)
k.d. lang for the cd drag (warner bros)
me'shell ndegeocello for the cd peace beyond passion (warner bros)
the indigo girls for the cd shaming the sun (epic)
the murmurs for the cd pristine smut (mca)

# # #
� 1998 glama, inc.

one of my very favoritest lines has to be (are we still talking about
this?  i am so far behind in my mail) during it's alright when amy says
"alright we can't get over us alright it's alright"  it's a harmony when
em is saying (another of my favorites) "it's easier to push than let go
and trust"  so it's not a sexy line, to me, but i just love it!
another sots ?  what do you all think she means when she says "beautiful
ladies walk right by and i never know what to say"?  i find it hard to
believe that amy is shy around women, but that's just me.

nigc: spam, i'll write to you soon. i got a little behind...

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hey :-)

i was gonna get the ig on rosie show dubbed, but the person who was
gonna dub it moved off to college again and now doesn't have access to 2
vcr's :-(
anyways..now that i've shared my sob story.....would someone who has this
on video be interested in dubbing it for me?? i'll throw in a boot or two!
:-)

-heather

hi everyone,
i'd like to start a small indigo girls bootleg collection. unfortunately i
only have one thing, a tape of music fest the girls did with michael stipe in
athens, ga a while ago. it's pretty good though. i will have one more show at
the end of the week too. i have tori amos, r.e.m. bootlegs and a patti smith
bootleg if anyone is interested if not i'll trade for blanks. please help!
email me at remlover11@aol.com

thanks everyone,
chrisy

hey.  i was just wondering if anyone else had noticed that back together
again is a lot like a duet thingum song instead of the usual lead/
harmonizer singing arrangement that they do.  is their other early stuff
(like the rest of tuesday's children and early boots) like that?
also, just wondering if there are any nields fans out there.  i know
that there are a lot of dar fans and they're friends and stuff so
anyways.  -julia

"cartoon kids in cartoon cars make their wish on a hollywood star"
- david nields

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well, as jill and i were discussing this on the subway last friday...i've
thought a bit about it.  i was just saying that i don't think amy is
really shy, but if some drop dead chica walks past me, i'm not sure if
i'd know waht to say, either, and i'm not exactly shy.  i dunno, maybe it
means something else entirely...but that's what i think.  wow, this is a
short post...

love,
carolyn!

in a message dated 98-01-12 18:06:11 est, wongjulia@hotmail.com writes:

<< just wondering if there are any nields fans out there. i know
that there are a lot of dar fans and they're friends and stuff so
anyways. -julia >>
i loooooove the nields!
and just to make this not a "me too" post, they have three cd's -bob on the
ceiling, greta, and blue greta (which is the same thing as greta only has a
few more songs and a blue cover). they're also friends with moxy fruvous,
anybody like them?
anna

sarah:

oops! deleted your mail. would you email me. have a question.
toye

i was sitting up late last wednesday evening. i couldn't sleep because i was excited about driving the long 500 miles to see my g/f the next day. i had just read through all the list mail complaining about the very little air time ig got on ellen. i can't even get abc so i hadn't seen the episode yet. anyway, it was about 5 am. i'm sitting in a daze watching cnn headline news. i hear the reporter say, "after these messages...is ellen degeneres giving up her acting career to take it on the road w/ the ig?" or something to that effect. i set my vcr, which was an amazing feat since i was really out of it. it was a nice little plug. it showed ellen singing ctf w/ amy and emily. she was standing in the middle of both the girls, holding emily's banjo. she also sang a round of row, row, row your boat with sarah m. it was way longer than ig showed up in the episode (i watched it the next day because my g/f taped it for me). so i was happy and proud of myself.

also, a little ig in my evening. saturday night, i went to new orleans in the french quarter. we had a great time...another new tatoo...on the way out, i stopped in tower music to see if they had any indigo stuff. nothing out of the ordinary. but i clumsily knocked some cd off the shelf into the floor. as i bent down to pick it up, this woman grabbed it and put it back for me. my g/f said she was flirting. i disagreed. however, as i was leaving the store, the same woman who picked up my cd was walking out with this other woman. she had her hands full of ig cds. she was saying to the other woman with her, "i never heard any of their music before 'so and so' let me hear them last week. now, i'm getting them all!" the woman with her said, "well, hunny, why don't you just buy those three and i'll buy the rest for you!" guess my g/f's "gaydar" was working correctly after all...not much, but it kind of made my night! enough rambling.
toye

at 07:07 am 1/12/98 pst, nic wrote:
did amy really say that she was talking about a cat she tried to save on a
median?

        yes, indeedy!  and she really killed 5 prarie dogs and a rabbit, too
(thus, "one, two, three-four, five-six" in chickenman) :o  amy said she
never ran over an oppossum though, cause they're real easy to avoid...you
just slow down and go around them.  "it's jackrabbits and prarie dogs that i
have trouble with.  a whole family of prarie dogs will cross the road and if
you miss the first four, you'll get the last five...boom, boom, boom."
        amy also admits to driving in excess of 80 mph when she wiped out
the poor little creatures and of course that makes her feel *really bad*!

you look out on the road and there's a lot of carnage... and it's a
lot of stuff. - amy

tony doolittle~

yes, i'm flying to portland for the concert out there...a little piece of
indigohio for the northwest!! (aren't they lucky)
once i get to england for my semester abroad i'll be an
indigohio/utah/oregon/englander? anyway cross your fingers for my flight.

anna m. (or beth, every other tuesday)

ps lynn the tickets got here fine--thanks bundles!!!

"the road to a friend's house is never long"

i think that these chicas are all so gorgeous, that she's
speechless...open mouthed and drooling.
love,
carol

i was just saying that i don't think amy is
>really shy, but if some drop dead chica walks past me, i'm not sure if
>i'd know waht to say, either, and i'm not exactly shy. i dunno, maybe
it
>means something else entirely...but that's what i think. wow, this is
a
>short post...
>
>love,
>carolyn!
>
>

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and of course, don't forget that *michelle* will be there!!! :)

amy

on mon, 12 jan 1998, atlmouse wrote:

> mm is playing eddie's attic thursday night.... what are the chances amy will
> show up again?????
>
> keeping fingers crossed!!
> ~~robin
>
> --
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> all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
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>

i need two (...might squeeze by with just one) more tickets
for san francisco on tuesday. please email me if you could
spare one or two.

i *might* be able to trade monday seats for tuesday.  i'm
waiting to hear back from friends first.  a trade might take a
few days to know.  i'll buy any tuesday tickets until then!

thanks... -rosemary

>anyone else enjoy jcsx???

i have been a long-time fan of the originial jcs, and can sing the
entire score backward and forward. imagine my *glee* when i
found out that the girls had done their very own version with
none other than amy in the lead. i was ecstatic!!! and who
can beat emily as dear mary magdeline?!?

i rushed right out with my 20 bucks and headed for rainy day
intended to pick up this happenin' cd. but what to my wondering
eyes should appear, but a video version of that self same
rock opera, performed by atlanta's finest!

having only enough fundage for one (the cd *or* the video)
i opted the the visual version, because what can enhance an
ig performance more than visual aids!

gotta love amy in her overalls with only one strap hooked!
yum yum!

later, all!
cathy, knowing full well that she shouldn't be thinking such
things about jesus! :)

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"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility" -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch" -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart" -- phish
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would an admin please mail me
very soon
i am having a problem

angie

>i find it hard to believe that amy is shy around women, but that's just me.

on first look i would have agreed with you. but after watching
"watershed" a few million times i can totally see this cute little
sweet shy girl who gets embarassed when she gets around a "lady"
she's attracted to. even the most outgoing people will surprise you
when it becomes a one-on-one attraction situation.

fwiw!
cathy

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"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility" -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch" -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart" -- phish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

sorry to take up space and time, but i happy with the erasing thing and keri
and bec i lost your address, please e-mail me privately (re: boots)
thanks
pf

please be patient everyone - the branches will be posted soon - probably
next week.
lori

hi y'all;

is anyone else on the list going to the phoenix show on feb. 4th ? if
so maybe we can have some kind of get together.

i still can't believe that the girls are coming back to phoenix so soon.
i was figuring that they would come around in about a year, so this will be
my 3rd ig concert in 6 months !!!

take care;

jim gates
fugitive@primenet.com

hey,
        i'm looking for carrie on the list from new mexico.  i mailed her 2 blanks
and i am hoping she got them.  thanks,
                                                        chelsea

ok, so i tired to send this a couple a days ago, but my computer has issues,
so i am sending it again...

in a message dated 98-01-10 21:33:55 est, ceturett@juno.com writes:

<< so jill chambers (hi!) were on our way back from a very upsetting flyers
game (they lost, but i digress) and we decided that a fun way to spend
time in the car would be to look for liscence plates that spell
abbreviations to ig songs. >>

hey everybody...
first i have to say that last night was the first time in a while th
ewashington capitals played like an nhl team to beat the flyers...woo-hoo!!!!
sorry i had to throw that in, just cause i knew what she was talking about.

ok, so i did have a point...oh yes...a while ago, back in october...we were
driving on 695 in baltimore, and we saw a little vw type car that had a
maryland (non bay plates) license plate indgogrl .... so i was wondering if
that person is on the list... and if you are i would like to apologize for our
out of control behavior, we were so excited by what we saw, we got kind of a
strange look from the driver : ) ok, well thats about it.... if anyone is
looking to trade bootlegs, lemme know, especially recent shows...

peace
sasha

in a message dated 98-01-12 19:06:51 est, annajenn@aol.com writes:

<< greta, and blue greta (which is the same thing as greta only has a
few more songs and a blue cover). they're also friends with moxy fruvous,
anybody like them? >>

hey does anybody have the cd live at the world cafe volume 5? it has both the
nields (aren't they the ones with my best black dress?) and moxy fruvous on it
and is really good! see y'all

bon

hey sorry to post this to the list.
lecitia, did you ever get the tapes for boots i sent? sorry to put this
on the list, but i lost your address!

:-) karen (the one in ohio @ wittenberg)

*******************************************************************************
"if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
--indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
--indigo girls (amy)

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu                 s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu
                       indigodar@aol.com
               http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/~klrosenb/

east asian studies political science
major minor
*******************************************************************************

sorry. i'll be quick. claudine from england and jill from pa...i need to speak
to you both. can you e-mail me when you get a moment? thanks...

hey everybody,
i know this is kind of old, but i was wondering if anyone had a boot of
the cd-101 radio show in columbus ohio with the indigo girls that they
might be willing to copy for me. i think it was sometime in november
before the columbus show--maybe around thanksgiving?--i would be willing
to send a blank tape and sase for trade or i have a whole list of boots
that i could send to whoever responds to this offer. besides wanting a
copy of the show myself, my best friend at school, who is a huge fan, is
from columbus, ohio and unfortunately could not be in ohio during this
time, would absolutely love a copy. anyway, if someone could e-mail me
back i'd really appreciate it. my e-mail is:

cch211@is8.nyu.edu (address all lowercase)

thanks a lot and take care,
chloe

a quick "me, too!" to say that i love the nields (they are my "new
favorite band") and moxy fruvous and lots of stuff from all those live at
the world cafe cd's...

back to lurking...

love,
darren

hi y'all!
        okay, so today i get to my state and local governments class, and
i find out that we are doing this senate simulation game.  i am a
"senator" and i have to write 6 bills.  one of them can be "not serious".
so here i am (in class, thinking of ig as usual and not of what the
professor is saying...) concocting a plan to write a bill that somehow
deals with amy and emily for my "not serious" bill.  i am thinking of
"propsing to erect a statue of them in front of the state house" or
declaring 12 april as all indigo day, you know, a new state holiday where
everyone honors the goddesses.  or even possibly naming a town or
something after the girls.  of course, this is all a joke, and in my
conservative class, nothing like this will even come close to passing.
but i think it will be fun to at least talk about emily and amy in class!
hey, that *is* my passion afterall!
        for my five serious bills, i am drafting some kind of gay marriage
bill, an (extreme) abortion rights bill (hehehehe!  how about state funded
abortions.  that is sure to piss people off.  that should be fun!), and
who the hell knows what else.  but amy and emily do need something named
for them or something in their honor, right?!  :-)

peace, and lots of indigo love,
karen :-)

indigohio!!!!!! woo hoo! (of course my class is simulating the ohio
senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yep, we're the best, steph/jill/twink/barb/anna/don/
lisa, and whoever else i forgot, love ya all!)

*******************************************************************************
"if we ever leave a legacy it's that we loved each other well."
--indigo girls (emily)

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand."
--indigo girls (amy)

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu                 s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu
                       indigodar@aol.com
               http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/~klrosenb/

east asian studies political science
major minor
*******************************************************************************

i was in book stop tonight and purchased 3 more copies of curve for whoever
emails me first. if enough ppl email me and send money, i'll go buy some more.
they were $3.95 + 8.25% tax= $4.28 total. you would need to send a sase enough
for a thin magazine. email me if you are interested.

michelle

now, are these bills only going to the state senate, or are any for
general elections? 'cuz i'll get me an absentee ballot (and this time,
i'll remember to mail it in), and vote for the extra spending in the
indigo improvement projects such as turing my hometown into north indigo
(instead of olmsted...now maybe jilly c wont hate our little suburban
mall-city), or lovely statues in columbus, and trails named after them
in state parks
(heck, i think an indigo state park is in order). better yet, change
the state song (or rock song, replace beautiful ohio, or hang on sloopy)
to ctf, or touch me fall (no reason really, it would just be cool),
watershed, or whatever...its not like hang on sloopy has anything to do
with ohio.

is there a state color?

carol

> amy and emily do need something named
>for them or something in their honor, right?!  :-)
>
>peace, and lots of indigo love,
>karen :-)
>
>indigohio!!!!!!  woo hoo!  (of course my class is simulating the ohio
>senate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  yep, we're the best,
steph/jill/twink/barb/anna/don/
>lisa, and whoever else i forgot, love ya all!)

______________________________________________________
get your private, free email at http://www.hotmail.com

preface:  okay, i'm gonna mail this today, but please do me a favor and wait to
respond until this weekend.  i'd *really* appreciate it cause my life is gonna
be complex until then (yeah like it's gonna suddenly get simple on saturday!),
and i won't have time to empty this thing out without losing people along the
way.  well pretty much after 5pm on friday is cool.  then i'll be ready.  okay.

so alright, here i am again, and i'm gonna admit some bigtime stupidity here,
but just remember that i have and plan to continue to devote quite a bit of time
to dubbing, conversing with photo processing employees and mailing endless
quanities of envelopes, so i don't wanna hear about how bad i am at this.  i
*am* bad at it, but i just don't wanna hear it.  okay?  okay.  so my stupidity
is that i don't have the list of people who wanted photos last time.  i had at
least a hundred folks who responded a few months ago, but that post is nowhere
to be found.  i've sent pics out to probably 25 people already, so even if i did
find that other list...well it doesn't really matter cause it has vanished.

first things first.  reprints here cost substantially more than they do in north
dakota.  so for the same 6 photos the cost for me to do them is gonna go up to
$2.88 (so basically $3 with tax) since i can't get to any of the cheaper places
without takin' a stupid bus or begging someone to take me.  the plus is that
this time they will be glossy finish, and still 4x6.  what else?  oh, unlike in
fargo, none of the local places offer very good discounts for mass reprints (50
minimum) and i can't realistically deal with such a large quantities without
having the money in front of me.

so what i'm going to do is offer the same 6 reprints, 2 solo shots of amy, 2
solo of emily, and 2 duo shots...do you want descriptions? to be brief:

1. amy-dark green tinted shot with spotlights in background...her with an
acoustic guitar.  eyes are closed and she is sort of smiling with this look of
intense satisfaction on her face.  mmmmmmmgoooooood photo.
2. amy-with black acoustic from chickenman w/dave & harmonica behind.  amy has
her mouth wide open this time and is singing with that angry sort of sneering
kind of expression (yeah i'm bad at this descriptive thing).  another goooood
photo.  sort of the epitome of this "amy's sexy voice" thread.  (you listees
who've seen this one...don't you agree?)
3. emily-with pink and yellow spotlights from above.  looking skyward with
acoustic guitar and appears to be singing a word with an oooo sound in it.  eyes
open and lovely blue nail polish.
4. emily-comfy flannel shirt, looking down at fingering hand as she strumms
another acoustic guitar (perhaps the same one).  this is the lovely pic with her
tongue peeking out from between her lips as she concentrates *real* hard.
5. amy and em-get out the map dance party.  both have arms above instruments and
are happily groovin' away.
6. this is the redish/orange tinted shot of a and e playing hard.  the thing is
that i have 2 of these redish ones and one is an incredible shot of amy kind of
headbanging with her hair in a cool spray as she leans over her guitar.  the
problem is that in this shot em is hiding behind the mic stand.  so for all of
you who have my reprints so far, i have sent the other shot with emily making a
cute jamming sort of face, but amy's hair isn't standing on end like it does in
that other one.  any thoughts on which i should choose this time around?  flying
hair and a hidden emily, or normal hair and a cute em grimace?

okay that's it.  it wasn't very brief was it?  well if you read my first photo
post you'll realize what an improvement this is.  i have received some very
positive response from many of the listees to whom i have sent reprints (thanks
y'all!), so i think that maybe they are pretty decent photos according to
general consensus and that makes me and my puny non-flashin' minolta feel good,
but of course i'm not doing this to make a profit...just for better picture
taking karma in the future.  so if you are interested in these photos, e-mail me
and i'll get you my address.  try to keep the subject header "photo offer".

oh and i think there are still curve magazines left at borders (10 to be exact,
and there are bound to be still more yet at common lanugage, the
gay/lesbian/feminist bookstore here as well. so if anyone still needs one of
those i guess you should e-mail me pretty quickly so i can run out and buy one
(or many) before they get removed from the shelves. and if you're writing about
curve...please put it in the subject line as "curve offer".

okay this is getting long. sorry. hope it helps somebody get something they
want...

marivel

"i like being gay. but i would like
being straight if i were straight too.
i like it you know. i like the idea of
having intimate relationships with anybody."

--a.r.

  last call for the 10-24-97 show at u of delaware.  does anyone have
it???   please let me know if you do.  thanks a lot.
        mike d.

***********************************************************************
"i wonder if the woman in the moon is offended that people on earth seem
to think she's a man."
***********************************************************************

greetings to everyone this fine evening! i just love freezing rain, don't
you? :)

i have a message from bethany to all of you!  as some of you know, she
started at bgsu today, and she especially thanks all of you who sent her
email so it'd be there when she got there!  she started classes and really
likes all of them--she's even in a native american class where one of the
principal people they study is none other than sherman alexie--who has a
song on "honor the earth"!  kind of an unusual place to find an ig
connection, i thought!

anyway, she says hi to everyone and that she loves you.  she misses the
list like crazy and can't wait till she gets a computer in her room since
the lines at the comp. lab are twenty miles long!  she even made me read
some messages to her over the phone so she wouldn't miss it so much.  what
a muffin.  it's amazing how this list becomes so important to your life,
isn't it?  i know i look forward to checking my email twenty billion times
a day!  ;)

just a note of my own...i'm gonna keep the "sexy amy" thing going and say
that i also love, in ptntf, when she sings "woke up this morning/grey
dawn/with a prayer on your breath" the second time--when she does it live,
she adds that extra "brea-ea-ea-eath" and it gives me chills! i also
like--i might have mentioned this before--when she sings "is there ever
anything else that makes us take our different sides" in "y&mot10000w".
yow...especially the 1200 curfews version. holy halibut.

the girls definitely need to do a college tour.  bluffton, of course,
should be their first stop, and hell, maybe they could just set up a
homebase here and live in my dorm room.  i'm sure my roommate wouldn't
mind!  heehee.

well, anycraps, i think i've rambled on quite enough for tonight. i'll see
y'all tomorrow--sleep well all.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
shannon mast
bluffton college
"say 'hey!' for northwestern purple!!"

*i love mh!*

** what did god say after creating man? "i can do better." **

"i don't suffer from insanity. i enjoy every minute of it."

"we sit here in our storm and drink a toast to the slim chance of love's
recovery."
-e. saliers

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is there anybody else who still wants me to send
them the issue of curve with amy and emily on the
cover?

i picked up a few more issues to keep with the
demand and i still have a couple left!!

they're going...going...going...

well, i've read the posts about soc in touch me fall and chickenman, but
here is a new one to me. tonight i was listening to pushing the needle...
(the version on the "blood and fire" cd) and about 3:20 into the song,
while emily is singing "you helped me more by not giving in..." amy does a
short soc:

you got war
you got poison
guns
and hate
and racism
and sexism
and everything
and anything
love
love
love
love...

than she joins back in with emily in singing "you helped me more by not
giving in...."

i don't know if that really counts as a soc, anyone else heard this version
and have any thoughts? or has anyone heard amy do a soc with pushing the
needle elsewhere?

-carrie

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"...when you're learning to face the path at your pace
every choice is worth your while..."
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

shelley asked the other day about the number of times the girls refer to
devils, angels or ghosts in their songs....

devils - jonas and ezekial, welcome me, 1 2 3
ghosts - love's recovery, ghost, jonas and ezekial, power of two, dead
man's hill, world falls, watershed
angels - secure yourself, jonas and ezekial, welcome me, world falls

the winner is definitely the ghosts :) :)

kudos to amy for getting all 3 in one song though :)

-carrie, who should also be packing, not reading lyrics ;)

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"...when you're learning to face the path at your pace
every choice is worth your while..."
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*

sorry for the nigc, but...garrison starr will be in d.c on the 19th opening
for holly cole if anyone is interested...their info line # is 202 518 7900

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as a feminist, a woman who watched her grandmother die of breast cancer
and is watching her other two great aunts suffer with breast and ovarian
cancer, and mostly as a human being, i am sorry to waste bandwidth, but
the national organization for women needs our help. please read and
help the cause that will affect all of us eventually. (whether it be
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well, i'm shocked to say that my request for political views has been met
with little response.  thanks to the people who've posted, but for those
that haven't:
please send a message to mclark@ramapo.edu with an indication of your
identifying political party, the political issue you care about the most,
and a note about whether or not political music influences you.  i'm
hoping to get a sense of what this list is made up of politically, since
we tend to have a lot of posts about political issues, especially ones
which assume a "liberal" slant.  the posts i've been getting tend to
challenge that view.
        i'll post the results on the 15th instead, to give y'all more
time.
mc

hey everyone,

i don't know what's going on, but i haven't received any mail from the listfor
about 2 weeks now. could someone please help me out???

thanks in advance,
kim

lori suggested i repost this secure yourself interpretation that i had
posted last year. here it is...

------- forwarded message follows -------
date:   fri, 6 sep 1996 11:52:29 edt
from:   chickensoprano <creechal@aslan.emu.edu>
subject:      sotw: secure yourself
to:     multiple recipients of list indigo-girls <indigo-girls@netspace.org>

greetings from the damp valley!  it has been raining here in the
shennandoah (va) for the last four days, and last night it decided to
really let loose.  classes have been canceled at my university, and
they are open for just about anything!  anyway, here's my
interpretation of secure yourself:

in the ink of an eye i saw you bleed,
  (i could see through my tears that you were dying)
through the thunder i could hear you scream,
  (i could hear your cries over the pounding of my heart)
solid to the air i breathe,
  (it is hard for me to breathe now)
open-eyed and fast asleep.
  (your eyes are open, but you are not aware of what is around you)
falling softly as the rain;  <-- not like the stuff we're getting now!
  (your life is fading away)
no footseps ringing in your ears.
  (you can't hear the people coming to save you)
ragged down worn to the skin,
  (emotionally and physically weary)
warrior raging, have no fear.
  (anguished soul, do not be afraid)

secure yourself to heaven.
  (turn to faith in god)
hold on tight the night has come.
  (stick with it because it's going to get rough)
fasten up your earthly burdens,
  (give up your concerns and worries)
you have just begun.
  (the end of life is the begining of new life)

kneeling down with broken prayers,
  (praying with great difficulty)
hearts and bones from days of youth,
  (perhaps refering to the "sticks and stones and broken bones" of
   our past that we carry with us)
restless with an angel's wing,
  (you are ready to die now)
i dig a grave to bury you.
  (i will take care of things when you are gone)
no feet to fall,
  (you can't fall any further)
you need no ground.
  (you don't need a place to stand)
allowed to glide right through the sun,
  (you can go anywhere)
released from circles guarded tight,
  (your spirit is released from the bounds of your body)
now we all are chosen ones.
  (now we are children of god)

i tend to take this song in a religious context since that is where i
am comming from anyway.  i had not really thought about the lyrics in
depth until last night when i was working on my interpretation (yes,
instead of my physics assignment - but class was canceled -
whoo-hoo!).  it seems that amy is writing about death, or at least
that's what i noticed as i looked deeper.  death, and what to do
about death, since it is inevitable.  not exactly the kind of song
you'd find on pop radio, but then, neither are the girls, and we love
them more for it! :)

anna

"don't worry about what you do the first year after college. it's not
what you'll be doing for the rest of your life." --annie dillard
http://narnia.emu.edu/students/creechal/creechal.htm

just so y'all know....there is a nields list for all of you nields fans
out there ;)

subscribe to the nields nook by sending an email to:

majordomo@pobox.com

subscribe nields-nook or
subscribe nields-nook-digest

that's all.....:)

back to lurking....
janice

o.k....t'is me, the wild and crazy bethany p - i'm not an official
subscriber yet...but i decided to tap in and send you all a message.  :)
i miss the list!  aaaaah!  i'm going through serious withdrawal...heard
"brown eyed girl" in the cafeteria yesterday and thought of you all..is
that sad or what?!  i knew that amy ray would've been up for discussion
had you all been there! ;)
ummmm...two of my profs are southern...both of 'em say y'all, so i don't
feel too far removed from my indigo friends.  one of 'em looks like an
"old weathered indian " (hey shan!)...it's cool, but i'm aching to get my
puter (carrie?!) hooked up in my room so i can get back into the swing of
things.
it seems that i've missed doolittle's jeopardy game...if i'd known that
was gonna happen, i would have taken another semester off. :)  anyhoo -
one more thing...my favorite amy line...(which shannon mast  or "sweets"
as she'd be known to y'all seems to have stolen from me!!!!!)..."let it be
me" - "i've seen the kingdoms blow like ashes in the winds of change.."
yeah - we were on our little college tour together last year - i was being
all introspective with my walk-man and she was writing to her man or
something....i started convulsing in my seat when i heard that glorious
sound so close to my ears...i put those damned headphones on her and said
"listen to that baby!"  that's how she realized the loveliness of amy, i
do believe. :)  that bus holds many memories.....
anyhoos - i'm wasting a lot of listspace and i'm sure you're gettin'
pissed...i'll quit now, o.k.?!  i wish more people would tell stories,
they give the list a little life - jill certo be one o' those people that
i really enjoy :)
a'ight - enough for now!  i'll be back soon enough!

-bethany ;)

does anyone have the address for the ani mailing list? thanks a lot.

just a smile from nobody.
marta

i wonder if i'll ever be rich enough to be republican.
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marta chaffee a+e=ig mchaffee@oxy.edu
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it's bethany again.
people...pleeease contribute to the cover tape - i've gotten 9 so far, and
could still use some more....i'm posting from my new e-mail address, so
contact me here if you are interested or have any questions. i'll give
you my new address if you're "down with it." :)
you all know how much you love to sing indigo girls music....put it to
good use like me and the rest of my buds. :)

-bethany :)
remember! you've got till' the end of january to realize that life is just
too short to waste that musical talent...send 'em my way - you won't
regret it...(gee...i believe i've resorted to begging huh?! you've gotta
do what you've gotta do. :)

peace and thanks-
karrie

date: mon, 12 jan 1998 16:12:02 -0500
to: now-action-list@now.org, newsletter-editors@now.org
from: national organization for women <now@now.org>
subject: now-action-list urgent: help us find someone to testify
mime-version: 1.0
content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
sender: now-action-list-owner@now.org
precedence: bulk
reply-to: national organization for women <now@now.org>

feel free to forward the following to activists in its entirety or with
proper attribution:

>from the national organization for women action center:

urgent notice

do you or someone you know fit this description?

1) someone that lost their job (forced into early retirement, layed off,
etc.) and thereby lost his or her insurance

2) someone that is working but doesn't have access to health care insurance

3) someone who lost his or her insurance when their spouse became eligible
for medicare

4) someone who lost their job and insurance and will benefit from cobra
provisions

5) someone who has been shopping around for an insurance policy but cannot
find a company that will provide coverage (most likely affecting someone
aged 62 to 64 with a pre-existing condition)

6) someone that is currently paying a higher rate than $300 a month for
private insurance that they found on their own

--------------0a0fe4001a6fefcc190662b0--

i got a message error saying that the now message i forwarded was not
sent! sorry for reposting and wasting bandwidth!!!!

flame me privately if you are that bitter!!

peace-
karrie

i saw that car with md tags that said indgogrl...

also saw a va tag that said something along those lines too at a catie curtis
show...

go figure...

heather
who is wondering why she is living in va where everybody has personalized
plates and she hasn't gotten around to getting some too...

there was more terrible news out of mexico today, the violence is
escalating in chiapas after police fired into a crowd of demonstrators, a
woman was killed, her 2-year-old daughter was wounded and a 17 year old boy
was shot in the stomach!  they were part of a peaceful demonstration!
hundreds of thousands took place in demonstrations across mexico yesterday,
but this incident took place not far from the sight of last months
massacre.  at another demonstaration in la, protesters have accused the us
government in aiding the mexican forces responsible for last months
massacre in acteal.
   i'm on lunch break so i gotta get going, but if you want more details,
you should be able to find the associated press story through your favorite
newspapers website!  if you can't, e-mail me privately and i will forward
it to you.

doing my best to keep you informed!

kc1
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
this world was meant for me. don't bury me. carry me.

~ a. ray

"when you're learning to face the path at your pace, every choice is worth
your while."

~ e. sailers

yeah, i've been meaning to post this to the list for about
six months now : i saw virginia plates with a+e=ig, which i
thought was pretty cool. belong to anybody on the list?
stephanie

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
indigo@virginia.edu
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~slm4b/

"so many things i could have done
but clouds got in my way"
-joni mitchell

sorry for the bandwidth but toye, my message keeps bouncing back - what's
up?

sarah

hi kiddies!!

well i finally got the pictures from the michelle malone new
years eve show and the time to put them up!! you know i'm
busy at work when i cant find the time to scan in a picture
of me and michelle!! (lots of amy pix's too for you igc
purists).
all photo credits go to lisa dupre and mel south...but
thanks to me you all get to see them, so enjoy!!
i've got lots more and will eventually get most of them on
my pages.

~lynda

http://www.csg-soft.com/newtest/lynda/mypages/michelle/nye98.html

hey folks,

just a real quick one... if you mail the list and you're
getting a error message back saying "message was not
delivered...", this does *not* mean that your message
was not delivered to the list, but rather that your list
message couldn't be delivered to a single subscriber.
just ignore the error message - if the bounces persist
i'll be removing said bouncer from the list later today.

one more thing - about sigs! please, please, please try
to keep your sig down to 6 lines or shorter, or if you
have a long sig that you don't want to change, turn it
off when you're mailing the list. otherwise, the digest
subscribers have to scroll through it every time you post
and it does tend to get a bit much...

wishing i could take the day off and go back to sleep
(hmm, why not? :) - talk to you later guys,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"when you wake up from this night, oh yes there'll be a morning;
the sun's gonna be shining bright, with new ideas dawning.
and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

> who is wondering why she is living in va where everybody has personalized
> plates and she hasn't gotten around to getting some too...

i also live in va, and someone who was at the norfolk '96 show (who
happens to work in a music store at "my" mall) has a plate that says
"slrs&ray" (i think that's how she spelled it...). and em and amy
signed it for her at the show--they seemed to like it. =) hmm...wonder
if anyone's taken indgopny or ndgopony yet. ;)

peace, love, and caffeine,
ponygrrrl

hi all

i'm surprised no one has mentioned this one.
from never stop......."i know you like to be the one on top..."
that's just my personal favorite ;-)

take care
abby =o)

so i'm driving in my little car in evil atlanta traffic this morning with
only the lovely tunage of the ig to keep me from totally losin' it!
yes, i know people look at me funny whilst i wail alone in my car,
but i'll never see them again, right??
anyhooo,
i heard a couple of emily moments that were really beautiful and
i thought i'd give em equal time in the discussion of favorite ig moments.

like how many of the amy moments come in emily songs, one of the really
great ones i heard from emily was in "land of canaan," after amy sings
"i'm lonely tonight" three times and em comes in with
"ooooo oooo ooo ooo ooo yeah!"
it's just so much fun and full of spunk. i love it!

my other favorite em moments are on 1200 curfews (or any other
live performance, for that matter) when she slightly changes the notes on
a word or two from the studio recording. it's like if she'd had more time to
work on the song initially, she probably would have ended up singing
it that way on the cd. but the time spent on tour allows her to get more
into the song and see what little touches she can make to give it that
special em touch, for example:

in galileo, when she sings "i think i'll write a boo-ook!" and goes up
on the last note instead of down.

and in closer of fine, "i got my paper and i was freeee-eeee-eeee!"

these lines in concert have so much more emotion and show more of
what i think em really felt when writing them. i find myself singing them
that way all the time now.

any other thoughts??
cathy

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility" -- emily saliers

"some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll never touch" -- amy ray

"you laugh and laughing fall apart" -- phish
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i've got a friend with a question...please respond back to her, she'd
appreicate it.... :)

************************
st-st-st-st-st-steph

"patriarchy bites!"

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: tue, 13 jan 1998 13:11:09 -0500
from: elizabeth lytle <elytle@standrews.sewanee.edu>
to: all amerikan grrrl <swood@satie.arts.usf.edu>
subject: re: howdyyyyyyyyyy!!!

>can you ask if anyone has chords for the song "chiapas bound" by amy? i
>would appreciate it lots.

>love,
>liz

howdy, howdy.  first, i'd like to publicly thank + praise two people on the
list who've proven themselves to be really awesome:
seona (sb2@axe.humboldt.edu) who offered me a great deal with some tapes and
was speedy and trustworthy and honest and gave me more than i could almost
ever hope for!!  and, marivel (marivel@umich.edu) who so willingly made copies
of 6 of the best ig pictures ever taken (don't y'all agree?!) for dozens of us
on the list. and she, too, was fast and honest and all that...
you know, i have to say i'm really truly impressed with all the generosity and
honesty that goes on here on the list.  of course, i'd like to think that one
should be able to expect that from such devoted indigo girls fans - but still,
there are always things in the big world that tell you otherwise and keep you
on your toes.  so a giant *thank you!* to marivel and seona and everyone else.

oh yes, i'd also like to thank the individuals who responded to my "ig-
inspired pet name" question, some only just to say that they were sorry to
hear my dog died. i didn't mean to get sympathy by mentioning that in an
earlier post, but the kind words which i did get back were really great.
thanks :-)

ok, i was also wondering if anybody knows about what's happening with lilith
fair '98...where, when, who, etc? maybe there is a general lf site on the web
somewhere?

that's it for now!
~flora

hey everyone,
i have 3 requests, will the person who posted the sarah m. tour dates
please email me privately.

two, will someone please send me the indigo girls faq and indigo girls
mailing list faq.
my internet browser crashed and i'd like to read it. thanks.

three, what can you all tell me about the song, blood quantum? i now know it
was cowritten by amy and ulali. lyrics?

chrisy

this is from the shepard's bush (11/94) chickenman s.o.c (which i got from
someones website a while back:

"put yourself on the road," that's what my mind said so i did.  and we
drove so far and it was a really beautiful thing.  most of the time.  we
went from ga and we went through alabama and mississippi and louisiana and
texas.  sometimes we drove on up to athens.  sometimes we drove all the way
up to toronto.  in toronto i went running and i saw this woman get beat up
on the sidewalk.  on the way to athens, i saw a deer laying be the side of
the road.  on the way out west, i saw a cat in the median and i tried to
catch it....but it got hit by a car.  and it's a lot of stuff.  but when we
were on our way from houston playing in this smelly little stinky club --
where we always play 'cause it fun -- we were going to austin and
everything looking pretty grim, lots of dead aniamals, lots of weird stuff,
floods, lots of lightening, lots of tornadoes, lots of fast food...and
anyway, so we were driving to austin and everything's looking grim and i'm
thinking to myself, "i can't believe this."  i have to close my eyes the
whole time i'm driving because i'm scared of seeing dead things.  i'm
getting to be a really bad case.  we stopped at this flea market and it ws
this guy's front yard and i didn't even know it, i thought it was a flea
market, it was his front yard and....and i felt really crappy and i looked
at him and he looked at me and we were talking and i don't know what
happened, it was like...vulcan mind-meld or something...but i looked up at
this sign in the sky and it said "chickenman" and i said, "oh my god, i
feel better."   i was on the road to austin.......

"i'm not really like that."

bbertiaux@earthlink.net

yeah, so my alarm (radio) went off as usual @ 9:30 today.  usually, i
hardly notice the first song (let alone the 5th!!)thats on...i slowly
wake up.  well, thats just darn hard when the song is closer to fine!!!
wowee!!  i've been woken up w/ soy maybe twice, but thats not nearly as
exciting as an 8 year old ig song (well, its older...but i'm not doin'
any math).  i think i was woken up by tmf way back when (ok, 95?) once
or so, but i wasn't a fan then so....
yeah, so i didn't get out of bed for like 10 minutes, but my eyes were
open!!!!  yippee!!!
i didn't hear the whole thing (bar part), but i heard it!!!
i've never heard it on the radio before...'cept for the station ad that
uses it for maybe 15 secs.

love,
carol

______________________________________________________
get your private, free email at http://www.hotmail.com

i also live in va, and someone who was at the norfolk '96 show
(who
happens to work in a music store at "my" mall) has a plate that
says
"slrs&ray" (i think that's how she spelled it...).

i also saw this plate at the norfolk show..................is the
owner on the list ??

i saw virginia plates with a+e=ig, which i
thought was pretty cool. belong to anybody on the list?
stephanie
this plate belongs to me :)
sharon

> three, what can you all tell me about the song, blood quantum? i now know it
> was cowritten by amy and ulali. lyrics?

actually, it was written by amy and *em*ily, if i'm not mistaken...=)

dear listees,
someone posted a message the other day looking for quality musicians for a
festival in brighton, england , later this year. please sent me your address
off-line (as i seem to have unsubscribed somehow). i have a contact in england
who would be interested in talking to you. thanx.

ps: any listees in the san fran area please e-mail me....i'm desperately
seeking boots for trade.

hello everyone--
my name is leslie, and i'm new to this list.  actually, i was on it before,
but i never posted.  i am quite delighted that there are so many other
people as fascinated by ig as i am, and i'm enjoying everyone's comments
and interpretations.  also, i really want to start a bootleg collection, so
if anybody is willing to help me out, i would be eternally grateful.
thanks a lot!
leslie

hey.

here's a cool interviews from the 99xpress magazine
these are both about sarah mchlaclan
http://www.com/99x/july/saramac.html
http://www.com/99x/december/sarah.html

this is michelle malone
http://www.com/99x/august/locals.html

just wanted to say thanks to those who answered my requests. you all are
great. have a great wednesday. finals for me ugh!

chrisy

in a message dated 1/13/98 6:03:54 pm central standard time,
remlover11@aol.com writes:

<< three, what can you all tell me about the song, blood quantum? i now know
it
was cowritten by amy and ulali. lyrics?
>>

actually, no.  it was cowritten by amy and emily.  ulali had nothing to do
with the writing of it.  the song is found on the honor1 cd (plug for daemon
go buy it!) which is a double cd to benefit the hte campaign.  good stuff on
there.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
- president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
"i have been foolish and deluded," said he, "and i am a
bear of no brain at all."
"you're the best bear in all the world," said christopher
robin soothingly.
********************************************************************

>10-24-97 show at u of delaware.

i too am in search of this boot. if anyone's got a decent quality
one...let me know....i have some stuff to trade.
thanks.
jami
************************************
...i'm your girl,
strong and mean. a.ray
************************************
jamik@juno.com

...so i can, so i can/ look into the dazzling beauty that/ haunts me in my
dreams....
just had to write to y'all to share that i had this amazing dream last
night... no, wait, it was this morning, at 8:45 a.m. or so, actually ;),
this dream wherein i was kissing emily. at first i kept thinking, "oh,
great, *there* goes my chance with amy!," but that was rude to em, so i
actually (this is hard to believe, yes, but i swear...) *forgot* about the
divine miss ray and just really got into it with em. hee! woody allen
was also floating around said dream, like, he was trying to convince all
of us to be in this new movie he wanted to direct *right* then and there,
and i was all, "yo, woody, if this flick turns out *anything* like
"everyone says i love you", you're in for it...." and he was all, "ah, oh,
uh, ah, eh, uh, oh, ah, well, uh, i, uh, don't think, ah, it will, er, be,
ah, *exactly* like, uh, that..." and so on (y'all know how woody stammers)
and so he just started filming me and em in our embrace, as amy stood by
and kinda observed, shielding us from the little neurotic guy's camera.

uh, yeah. i *told* you i was a crack rock. believe me now?
jill

p.s. (and i'm only telling you this 'cause i've got the inside -pun not
intended, i swear- scoop): emily is an amazing kisser ;) and she smells
so good too... oh oh and her skin is *so* soft. and and... oh, never
mind. but tigger, i think we've been pining for the wrong girl.

i always think of ig as being like a modern day, deeper version of simon &
garfunkel. i could imagine amy & emily doing a cover of almost any of their
songs.
well, except hazy shade of winter:)

when i make this s&g, a&e comaprison, i mean only only in the sense that
they both have their own unique style, and they both have really good lyrics..

my 2 cents....
joadster
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
an' the gobble-uns 'at git you
        ef you
                don't
                        watch
                                out!
                                                -james whitcomb riley
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

in a message dated 98-01-13 22:50:17 est, jillian.certo@oberlin.edu writes:

<< p.s. (and i'm only telling you this 'cause i've got the inside -pun not
intended, i swear- scoop): emily is an amazing kisser ;) and she smells
so good too... oh oh and her skin is *so* soft. and and... oh, never
mind. but tigger, i think we've been pining for the wrong girl. >>

yeah, but she can't be a more incredible kisser than keanu reeves! my only
problem was that the cloud we were on didn't seem like it was really a safe
place to be with all those fireworks shooting off.....

i luv list dreams, it's nice to know that people have vivid imaginations
like mine!

<grin>
peace,
rick
keeper of random thoughts & delirium, "gay tripper", buffy addict
struggling whatever, pop culture junkie, michelle malone fan
creator of strange web pages- http://members.aol.com/rbsayre/rick.html
*i should come with a warning* -soul miner's daughter

i'm looking for jordy waller..sorry, lost your email address :-(

-heather

in a message dated 98-01-13 17:18:31 est, catherineann@mindspring.com writes:

<< in galileo, when she sings "i think i'll write a boo-ook!" and goes up
on the last note instead of down.

and in closer of fine, "i got my paper and i was freeee-eeee-eeee!"

these lines in concert have so much more emotion and show more of
what i think em really felt when writing them. i find myself singing them
that way all the time now.
>>

yeah! i love those parts too! there's some song on the self-titled album that
em has a really cool line in, but i lent that cd out, so when i get it back
i'll find it. :)
dana

i was just wondering if there has been a tree set up for the orpheum
show yet. this was a fantastic show and i must have this boot! if anyone has
any info. let me know.

-kristin

hi all, if anyone's interested i have two tickets for said show (1/24)
available. they're 7th row seats 1&2 (pretty good, eh). i'm selling them
for $40 each 'cuz i was offered some better tickets but that person wants
to sell them to me for $40 so it wasn't my idea to start raising the price,
okay? (whew, run on sentence.) anyway. please respond asap if interested
so we can work it out.
-sam

this is crazy.  i am straight, right?  my boyfriend is in the ng and went
to basic training this summer--15 weeks apart thoroughly sucks, let me tell
ya.  anyway, bethany comes over to spend the night, and that night i have
this extremely vivid dream in which i am kissing amy!  the next morning, i
shared this with beth, and she tells me that she dreamt about matt.  ironic
isn't it?  we both wished that we could have jumped into each others'
dreams!

not to say that amy wasn't a good kisser--i think she's the only woman i
could honestly somewhat enjoy kissing! this is not to undermine those of
you who are gay--oh hell, you know what i mean! i love my boyfriend, end
of story. :)

thanks to tony (doolittle) for taking care of her jeopardy stuff!

night all, see ya tomorrow.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
shannon mast
bluffton college
"say 'hey!' for northwestern purple!!"

*i love mh!*

what did god say after creating man? "i can do better."

"i don't suffer from insanity. i enjoy every minute of it."

"we sit here in our storm and drink a toast to the slim chance of love's
recovery."
-e. saliers

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

i agree about ig and s&g......i would love to hear them cover "cecelia".....

-ab

******************************************************************************
**

"the evil ego and the vice of pride, is there ever anything else that makes us
take our different sides?" -emily saliers

indigoares@aol.com ahouff@wam.umd.edu

hey y'all!

someone asked about this. i didn't figure it out myself, carolyn did:
(you can also find it on my ig tabs web pages;-))

date: thu, 24 apr 1997 16:08:25 -0700
from: carolyn chow <egg@u.washington.edu>
subject: re: chiapas chords (fwd)

the chords of chiapas bound the way i've seen amy play them are

g, d, c

the 'solo' bridge part is

em, bm, then 004433, bm, c, em, d/f (200230)

she plays the transition from bm, to that weird chord, back to bm by
simply moving her index down to the fret from the bm bar chord.

make sense? i swear. these are the exact chords the way she plays
them.

good luck.

chiapas bound   ("a love song")   amy ray
g                    d         c
all the girls with anorexia are on the street tonight
g                     d                 c
and the boys in the band think they look just fine
and i dont even know why i drove this car down congress avenue
hoping to find you turning on the light

well you seem like a girl with the world on your side
but its just a point of view
and i know how quickly that could change too
see i heard you were free or someone thinks you should be
and i know just how that feels
i thought maybe we could just talk for a while

solo/bridge part.

(i've never heard this new verse, so i'm not sure if they're the
normal chords or different ones.)

cuz baby i got something to stand for
i got somewhere we could go home
i just need someone to stand with
see it aint no good this feeling alone

when you said that you'd go down to mexico
well i think that i might go there too
but its probably too late to find someone like you
yeah it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound

yeah it sounds really cool to be without a care in some southern town
but i heard there's trouble down there if you're chiapas bound

------------------------------

peace and
take care,
kathrin

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* concert reviews, where were you-stories, quotes, tabs, indicated,...
***************indigo girls site: tangled up in blue******************
home: http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/68800/homepage/homepage.htm

further to sherlyn koo's message about messages not getting delivered, i
had a complaint from somebody on this list who was getting similar
messages from me.   the cause was my anti-spam script whose author set it
up to bounce all messages from "earthlink.net", whose facilities have been
used in the past to send spam around.   i have had similar problems on the
fairport convention mailing list, and have been removing legitimate sites
from the script as i discover them.   earthlink sued those who were using
their site to send spam (cyberpromo), and won, and the spam from them has
stopped.

mat

hi folks-

while i've been sick recently, i've had lots of mucous... oops... i mean
i've had lots of time on my hands (when i wasn't sleeping) to net surf.
i visited many listers' pages (some are dazzlingly awesome,btw), and i
discovered something that i thought was kinda interesting.

vast numbers of listers have been to the newport folk festival to see ig
(myself included), esp a&e's most recent appearance in 96.

not having joined the list til 97, i wondered if there had ever been a
list meet at newport - esp 96, since so many of us were there, it seems.

anyhoo... i'd like to propose that the next time ig decide to perform at
the newport folk festival (98?,99?) - that somehow - someone(or ones)
organize some kind of giant ig list meet.

it might be interesting to meet n greet n put faces with names and
addys... and take lots of group type piccies... which would, no doubt,
show up on a web page or two or twenty!

whaddy'all think of my lil idea?

:o)
peace...
mel

ps: kudos to jonathan swift

--
-- mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
[aka: mel <melsouth1@hotmail.com>]

           "what a poor appearance the tales of the poets
            make stripped of the colors which music puts
            upon them, and recited in simple verse."
                - plato

well, i'm back!  i know, y'all missed me so much, you forgot i was even gone
(wait, there was logic in there somewhere when i said it in my head - oh
well).  i've been back since sunday evening, but i've been busy unpacking,
going to classes, buying books, etc.  i attempted to read all the archives
from when i was gone to catch up on what y'all have been talking about, but
it just can't be done.  you're too prolific.
when i was finally allowed to drive again (after my surgery, which went very
well - thank you for all your good vibes and well wishes), i high-tailed it
to borders to find that issue of curve that i've been looking for since
thanksgiving.  thank god(dess) it was there.  what a beautiful cover!  i
also picked up the newest issue of ms. magazine, since i have heard so much
about it, but never read it before.  i don't know if this has been discussed
already (see earlier unability to read all the archives), but ig along with
winona laduke are honored as three of the list of women of the year (or
something along those lines - the mag is all the way across the room and i
don't feel like getting up to get it) for their honor the earth activism.
it's a good article - if you haven't read it, i recommend getting yourself a
copy of this awesome women's magazine that i can't believe i've never read
before.  funny story:  as i was checking out with my two lesbian magazines
(curve and diva, and english mag that i don't highly recommend) and my copy
of ms., the male cashier asked me if the issue of curve was the last one.  i
said no ('cuz it wasn't, duh!), and he was glad because he loves ig and even
took the time to get out a piece of paper to write down the magazine name
and issue so he could go over later to pick it up.  it was right after he
then said something like, "indigo girls are so awesome, don't you love
them?" that he realized he was holding in his hands two lesbian and one
feminist magazine.  hmm...he wondered, maybe she doesn't even like the
indigo girls and is just buying them for the magazines themselves.  don't
worry, i reassured the poor boy that i do indeed love ig.  i just think it's
the cutest thing that he's going to rush right over at the end of his shift
to pick up a lesbian magazine just for the article.  such devotion!  wait
until he gets to the end where they say the article is continued.  now he'll
have to buy two separate issues of this lesbian mag.  i hope his significant
other/mother/roommate/whatever doesn't get worried.
anyhoo, there's not much more to tell.  hope everyone is having a good year
so far and that you all behaved in my absence.  oh, one more thing, i
specifically taped ellen last week because ig were going to be on and my
friend made me go over and watch "the abyss."  what a let down!  i was
expecting at least a speaking part of some sort.  oh well - it was still a
good episode.  i can't complain too much - at least they were on for a
little while.  sorry if you've all discussed this to death already (which i
have the feeling you have) - i'll catch up soon.
okay, i'm done now.  remember to pick up a copy of ms. if you haven't
already.

elizabeth

web page: http://www.muohio.edu/~skippeec
~~~
"cause baby i got something to stand for
i got somewhere we could go home
i just need someone to stand with
see it ain't no good this feeling alone"
-amy ray, "chiapas bound"

okey dokey pokeys...i received a request from the infamous mountain stage
boot woman - miss carrie hamblen...uh huh, that's right.
she said that some of y'all are confused as to what really went on during
that show...while i'm thinkin' about it..the date - november 4, 1997 -
place - cultural center - charleston, w.v. mountain stage radio broadcast.
phew...now that i've got that covered.
ummm..let's see - the thing frigged up during "power of two" right?!  yeah
- (pardon my incoherent thinking...b.g. is freakin' cold and my brain is
frozen.) - it was very cute cuz when they started playing "power of two"
emily was singing along and sounding really groovy (as usual.)..when it
came time for amy to join in with that harmony we all know and love,
emily's microphone just quit...i believe it had somethin' to do with the
amplifier that was facing the audience...she was completely
oblivious...had no idea that we couldn't hear her.  we just let it go
though, cuz man...i think that's the one and only time we'd ever get to
hear amy sing harmony by herself.. :)  but we kinda' motioned (from our
seats that were ummm...5 feet from them :) that we couldn't hear emily and
they just stopped....when you hear amy say "have you been off this whole
time? (or whatever she said)"...it actually went into a 15-20 minute goof
off period....we talked about tap dancing...joke making....(amy being my
honey...just kidding...so kill me...you know you're all thinkin' it
anyway.)all o' that fun stuff...they were very cute...it's the first time
i've ever heard them talk so much... :)  but they got everything fixed
after emily cursed a bit :) and they went on their merry way.  actually
"everything in it's own time" screwed up to, but you couldn't tell, could
ya'!?? they started that one over... :)
it was damned fun - really it was....and the radio announcer man was funny
- he was so into his "mountain stage band" tunes he had us laughing like
madwomen...he had amy laughin' too...she resorted to covering her cutie
pie face with her mandolin...that was when they first came out....
anyhoo - i know you're all growing tired of my ramblings....i'll let you
off the hook for now... :)
hope to resubscribe soon...damn! give me my computer! :(

-bethany :)
(yeah - and don't believe anything that "sweets" says about me.)

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>
> subject: i wear my sunglasses at night...
> date: tue, 13 jan 1998 22:47:45 -0400
> from: jillian.certo@oberlin.edu
>
> ...so i can, so i can/ look into the dazzling beauty that/ haunts me in my
> dreams....
> just had to write to y'all to share that i had this amazing dream last
> night... no, wait, it was this morning, at 8:45 a.m. or so, actually ;),
> this dream wherein i was kissing emily.  at first i kept thinking, "oh,
> great, *there* goes my chance with amy!," but that was rude to em, so i
> actually (this is hard to believe, yes, but i swear...) *forgot* about the
> divine miss ray and just really got into it with em.  hee!  woody allen
> was also floating around said dream, like, he was trying to convince all
> of us to be in this new movie he wanted to direct *right* then and there,
> and i was all, "yo, woody, if this flick turns out *anything* like
> "everyone says i love you", you're in for it...." and he was all, "ah, oh,
> uh, ah, eh, uh, oh, ah, well, uh, i, uh, don't think, ah, it will, er, be,
> ah, *exactly* like, uh, that..." and so on (y'all know how woody stammers)
> and so he just started filming me and em in our embrace, as amy stood by
> and kinda observed, shielding us from the little neurotic guy's camera.
>
> uh, yeah.  i *told* you i was a crack rock.  believe me now?
> jill
>
> p.s. (and i'm only telling you this 'cause i've got the inside -pun not
> intended, i swear- scoop):  emily is an amazing kisser ;) and she smells
> so good too...  oh oh and her skin is *so* soft.  and and... oh, never
> mind. but tigger, i think we've been pining for the wrong girl.
>
>

i am sorry, not to be the world's biggest bitch or anything, but this
dream seems kind of inappropriate to me. granted, we are all entitled
to our ig dreams, and they may vary in nature, but posting one that
involves making out, heavy petting, or any other sexual encounter, imho,
should be kept private or shared through private mail only.....i just
think that if amy and emily do read the list (and i am sure they do)
they would probably find this dream a little unnerving.....

flame if you must....

karrie

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sonia rutstein (disappear fear) is going to be playing at the 8x10 in
baltimore on tuesday the 20th...it is her cd release party...just thought i
would pass it on to anyone who is interested...

sorry for the nigc...

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okay i got one:

in pushing the needle towards the end when amy is repeating variations of
"you'd help me more...", emily sings "... a wor-oorld on its knees" i just
love it when emily free-forms!

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from: chiqhiker <chiqhiker@aol.com>
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okay i got one:

in pushing the needle towards the end when amy is repeating variations of
"you'd help me more...", emily sings "... a wor-oorld on its knees" i just
love it when emily free-forms!

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it seems like lots of listee types are going to be to be at the la
show, a few of who (whom?) i have spoken with already. anyone know
the area around universal well enough to suggest a good spot
to meet for dinner before the show? i'll be outside universal
all afternoon hoping to sneak in for the sound check, so drop by
and say hey -- i'll be the one in the michelle malone t-shirt.

on another note, i found the following gems in a used cd store
for about $2 a piece and i thought i'd review them for anyone
interested:

wendy bucklew - "painting sidewalks" - this girl rules!  i highly
recommend checking her out.  she's raw like mm but more
acoustic, and very melodical like kris mckay.  this was my first
listen to her, so if anyone can compare ps to her other cds for
me, i'd appreciate it.

the borrowers - "welcome" - anyone who heard josh segal
play with the girls this year knows he kicks a** as a musician, so
i suspected his band might have good things to offer as well.
it was a good call. they have a sophisticated, acoustic, jazzy
sound with a bit of raw edge in some songs. they have a tune
called "ophelia", to touch on a recent thread. and a rockin'
female drummer!

smoke - "another reason to fast" - another part of the
atlanta music scene, they toured with ig briefly i believe.
"gothic garage" is how i'd describe them -- the lead singer
sounds like jim morrison with strep, and i love their use
of brass and strings.  a number of their songs start slow
or simple and build into epics.  they use discord kind of like
vic chestnutt, if anyone's heard the ig version of free of
hope as an example.  (the family dog is mad.. =)

feel free to question/comment/flame privately.

lastly, my fav a&e moments tend to be live:

amy:  at the recent denver show, in sys.  the final "come on over
now", usually belted out, this time she paused, then sang
it softly, almost a whisper.  shivers.  the front two rows visibly
melted.  remember that people??
emily:  like all of eiiot, but especially "not even love
so fierce..." when she goes up half an octive on "love"...
both:  1200c, chickenman, the scoop on "running down
on queen strrrrreeeet..."  yeah!

have a great week everyone.
elizabeth from denver (to la!)

hi iglist!
i've been posting like mad on the darlist, and it occurs to me i"ve been
neglecting this list...oh no!  actually, i was thinking about posting
because of newport folk festival 1990; i was lucky enough to find the cd
from this apaprently wonderful affair at the iowa city public library and
let me tell you, whoa.  if i remember, someone was asking abotu the girls
singing "american tune," and it's on this album.  it's absolutely
beautiful.  i also heard them do it with joan baez at town and country
(london) in march of 1993--that was amazing.
besides this ig gem, on the cd are also luka bloom singing "delirious,"
richard thompson singing "she walked through the fair," shawn colvin on
"cry like an angel," cheryl wheeler singing "arrow," and michelle shocked
on steve goodman's "ballad of penny evans" (among many others).  the cd
was produced by red house.  if you know of any opportunity to get it, snap
it up!!  i'm resisting the idea of taping it, but boy oh boy is it
tempting.  the last song i mentioned, penny evans, is just about the most
intense, heart-rending thing i have ever heard.  whoa.  tears in my eyes
continually...

on the subject of dreams about the ig, these almost always annoy the
living heck out of me, whether or not they are sexual.  it's always been
my least favourite thing about this list--but who cares?  i have a delete
button, and a scroll bar, and hey, i know how to use them.  if amy and
emily were to read the list, they too could delete.  and come on, they
know there are thousands of women out there who wish they could sleep with
a or e.  they probably don't like that, but they know it--someone's
description of kissing emily is not going to blow up their illusions about
their fans (do they have illusions left at this point?).

that's it for today...hope y'all are enjoying your lives wherever you may
be.
luv,
suzi

i realized that i have the modern rock live show when amy and emily were
on, and i havent offered it yet!...its clear, and one of my favorite
interviews with them (the first two minutes got cut off)

interview
shame on you
interview (cont'd)
get out the map (live)
interview (cont'd)
don't give that girl a gun (live)
interview (cont'd)
closer to fine (live)
interview (cont'd)
shed your skin (live)
interview (cont'd)

it was recorded during the week sots came out...please email me if youd
like me to record it, and well work out all the details..i have a new
stereo, so as soon as i get the tapes, ill do them all!!

               inspired by insanity, losing my job, financial
                        aid, and my crazy man!
                                jeanette

you can't polish shit, but you can smear it
-t. casper

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hey girls! okay my friend heard about some concert (like a folk fest or
something) in ann abor (she thinks). she heard it on the radio and they said
ani difranco would be playing. has she lost her mind, or is there really a
concert? she thinks it's on jan 30th or 31st. if there is one and it's on the
31st i'll be pissed b/c i have a school dance that night. :( anyway, if you
know anything about this, please share! :) thanks!
dana

well, there is an aa folk festival on jan 31.  i have a flyer that
mentions it, but it does not mention ani.  it does mention paula cole,
guy clark, chris smither, cherly wheeler, karen pernick, doc watson &
david grisman, the nields (evryone seemes to have been talkin' bout them
recently), dee carstensen, great big sea, and willy porter.  it does say
in itty bitty type, near the bottom  "program subject to change."  i"ll
be kickin' myself if ani goes, and i'm not there (nor do i have the
$$$$).

there's my input.

love,
carol

>hey girls! okay my friend heard about some concert (like a folk fest or
>something) in ann abor (she thinks). she heard it on the radio and they
said
>ani difranco would be playing. has she lost her mind, or is there
really a
>concert? she thinks it's on jan 30th or 31st.
>

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