lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-01d

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date:         wed, 21 jan 1998 23:07:13 -0600
reply-to:     "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "lisa m. schreihart" <lschreihart@juno.com>
subject:      which is more important, the music or the shows?

on tue, 20 jan 1998, karrie wrote:

>
> as someone who is currently 10 grand in credit card debt, i won't
> comment, but i also found that many people who do induldge themselves
in
> being "indigo-heads" (as we were called at blossom this past summer by
> security, right don?) are the fortunate ones (no pun intended) who also
> have very flexible and well paying jobs.....

then jenn wrote:

>so, since i'm graduating this year and would like to be able to continue
>to support my indigo habit, i was just wondering what these very
flexible
>and well paying jobs are???? if you have one, please let me know!

well, i can tell you my personal story.   i am an electrical engineer.
i worked very hard for what has seemed aeons with very little partying,
few and far-between trips anywhere, and have spent hardly anything
on fun stuff.  then i got to the end of my graduate studies (went from
bachelors to masters without a full-time job first) and decided that
i've hardly had any fun or any time for real friends in life.  and, i've
certainly never done things that were out of the ordinary and/or even
a bit crazy.  then i got to be a big fan of the girls.  this was a
perfect
opportunity to see a bit of the u.s., meet new, fun, and interesting
people with (finally) similar interests in music, and learn a heck of a
lot about myself during my travels, through my friendships, and
through the music that means so much to me.

so, yeah, i make a nice salary, but i've worked hard for it.  now,
i'm having fun.  i get two weeks of vacation each year and can do
with it whatever i want.  about 7 of the ten days this year have been
spent traveling to ig shows.  the other three will be spent with my
new gf at the michigan womyn's festival this coming august.  i will
tell you this much.....i would never trade the experiences i've had going

to my first-ever ig concerts this year..... meeting up with all you cool
friendly people, seeing the sights of the u.s., learning about people
and things that i'd been really closed off to before.....for any money
in the world.  no, i wouldn't.   but, if i really didn't have the money,
i am much too responsible to use a credit card constantly, and
certainly never beyond my ability to pay.  if i couldn't afford it, i
wouldn't do it.  so, i thank god for all the things he's graced me
with, but i have earned much of them too through hard work.

i am just about the happiest now than i've ever been in my life.
97 was undoubtedly the best year of my life.  it included several
ig shows, including liliths, also wendy bucklew, a night of mm
on new year's eve in atlanta, ani, dar, oodles of other artists
including sarah mclachlan, the rest of the lilith acts, and many
great atlanta artists..........all bringing me to the states
of illinois, wisconsin, iowa (my home), michigan, ohio, virginia,
georgia, indiana, and arizona.  much of the thanks for all the fun
goes to you all.  you know who you are.   thanks for a fabulous
1997!  it's not been easy paying for everything, dealing with my
hours at work and finishing up my masters at the same time
(which i'm done with...whoooohooooo!), driving all those miles,
organizing the trips and meeting with listees, dealing with the
coming-out process at 25 and all the new experiences this entails,
and keeping up with all this e-mail.  but if i'm gonna wear out my
pocketbook and my body with anything, i'd pick ig and my fellow
ig-heads to be the reasons any day.   there have been times
since it all started with my first show on march 28, 1997 when i've
said "why?  is this really all that good for me?"  looking back on it
all, i would now say, "hell yeah!"

now, the main reason whyi would go to more shows is to meet
up with the people on this list and to have more of that comraderie
i've missed so much of in my life.   seeing ig live is just the icing
on the cake.   the greatest thing about ig is that they bring all of us
together in a common bond.  what a wonderful community we have
here!  and whether you have similar concert experiences, or no concert
experiences at all, you are an important part of this community.
it's the love in the music and for the music that makes us all
strong....not how many shows we've seen.  we are fortunate
just in loving the music and being able to share it with each
other.

so, that's my take on all of this.

lisa s. (not d.)

whoa! i haven't posted for so long, but this whole goddess discussion
reminded me of something. now i don't know if i consider a&e goddesses or
what, but in an interview that can be found at
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/articles/97xxxxee.html called "voices of
women: amy ray of the indigo girls" (but which i can remember listening to
on some boot i have that i can't remember now), amy calls ani a goddess:

"kh [kelly barrick hovendick]: how true that is. who is your favorite goddess?

ar: my favorite goddess? i'll have to say ani difranco [laughs].

kh: ani ...

ar: although she doesn't want to be a goddess, so she won't like it, but
she's my favorite goddess.

kh: what an answer.

ar: she's going to kill me for saying that."

so if amy sees ani as a goddess, it would seem to me that she wouldn't mind
be called one herself. of course, i could be wrong about that too. :)

andi

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                        e-mail: ablipman@sas.upenn.edu
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                "i've never had much interest in being liked.
                and i think people like that.  it's a relief.
              so many people want to be liked."-jerry seinfeld
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        i have been on the list for about two weeks now and i finally have the
courage to lose my post virginity.  so here it goes...this amazes me...i read
the faq's and found out that a&e were also on nanci griffith's flyer and joan
baez's ring them bells.  i have both of those cd's and didn't even know that
the girls were on them.  thanks for the enlightenment!!!  any others that i
don't know about?

--------------------------------------------------->nicole
"oh bother!!"--winnie the pooh

        imagine this...i am sitting here listening to the strange fire cd while
writing a paper when i hear someone coming through my speakers while listening
to "i don't wanna know"!!  i am baffled, but realize that it is part of the
song.  at about 2:50 in the song until the end, i think it is emily saying
something like.."hey, get off the stage...i can't talk to you..i can't talk to
you..i gotta go..."  i can't decipher it all though.  has anyone ever noticed
it before?  anyone have a clue as to why it is there?  can you here it on your
copy?  just curious....

--------------------------------------------------------->nicole

"have you bounced a friend lately?" tigger

when god made man, she was only joking.
(if you believe, that is)
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oh yay!! this is my current fav song right now, uh..., once again:)  when
i first listened to this song and actually heard it and its (amy's)
passion, it knocked me on my ass.  that was the day i switched from being
an emily person to an amy person (no offense to you emily-people out
there:)  but anyway, there began some mysterious connection i felt with
amy and her sort of intensity and passion, and now there's no turning
back.  i feel very confused about my life right now and some feelings i
have. but finally i'm acknowledging and acting in my life now, and i feel
some strange excitement, energy, intensity and motivation like i've never
felt before about life.  i feel vulnerable, but gung ho about it all at
once.  hence, my love for the progression amy does:

"i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love."

everything i feel about me and my life is said in that line! not to
mention the way she puts that particular line across (i'm floored every
time;) hehe. also, at this point in my life, the relationships i have
with people are the most important things in my life, be them friendships
or love...and in seeking real relationships, amy sums up all that i'm
striving and hoping for:

"i am looking for someone who can take as much as i give, give back as
much as i need, and still have the will to live"

you know, someone who can handle me and all that i'm going through
(especially now), and be with me love me for the reason that i'm able to
be that way b/c it would be overwhelming for someone who was half-ass
about me. also, i think this song returned to the *favorite* status
partially b/c it's the most recent song i learned to play and perform.
hehe. lovin it!! thanks for listening:)

--kelly s

on wed, 21 jan 1998, carol & sarah wrote:

well put, carol

--kelly s

in case anyone else missed the vonda shepard information,
here it is - plus the rest you already know...

from http://www.sfbayconcerts.com/

   sf   mon jan 26 indigo girls/vonda shepard
   sf   tue jan 27 indigo girls/danielle howle & the tantrums
   sac  wed jan 28 indigo girls/danielle howle & the tantrums

-r

on wed, 21 jan 1998, dan perkins wrote:

> and let's be honest here (i know i am going to get flamed on this one)
> they really aren't goddesses. well, not anymore or less than anyone
> else. they are very talented and gifted musicians/songwriters. we are
> all lucky that they share that part of themselves with us. and if we are
> grateful (as i am) for what their music brings to our lives, perhaps we
> can repay a bit of the happiness and joy they give to us by refraining
> from discussions that may make them feel uncomfortable.

well that was precisely my reaction when i read amy's reference to ani di
franco as a 'goddess' in a recent interview she did (i believe it was the
curve magazine one). the interviewer asks her who her favourite
'goddess' is, and she replies something like "it's got to be ani di
franco. she wouldn't like it, but she is my favourite goddess." with
amy herself pushing this kind of nonsense, who can blame her fans for
saying the same about amy?

mat

>i'm a woman baby...i'm standin' strong...despite the "aacks" they should
>still cover fleetwood mac. :)

i'm right there with you, girl...ummm...i mean "woman"

in fact, what i think they should do is right at the end of
cut it out where amy's singing "my my my rock star" and emily's
singing "how'd you get so turned around", amy should
segue into the part of gold-dust woman...

did she make you cry
        make you break down
        shatter your illusions of love
well is it over now
do you know how
   to pick up the pieces and go home

in a message dated 98-01-20 13:33:08 est, you write:

> sorry, no offense, h, but i have to disagree!  i know mike's favorite
>  show had to have been colby in april.  i saw his face while he was
>  onstage, singing with the girls and he cannot ever have been happier in
>  his lifetime and lived.

wow, i'd love to hear this...anybody besides mike have a copy of this?

jude :)

kelly, you said it soooooo well. i forwarded your words re: blood and fire
to my best friend and she wrote back "wow, you could have written that."
it was exactly how i feel, and i've been discussing that for days. the
lines you quoted... man, i totally hear you. i too am an amy person
perhaps because of that song (initially!), and the passion which she
conveys with each repetition of those words... i am intense i am in need i
am in pain i am in love... it never bores me or seems less powerful or
meaningful, even after i've replayed it over and over again. i have been
having so much trouble maintaining any sort of successful relationship for
a long time now, and i am defnitely searching for someone who can
take as much as i give and give back as much as i need and still have the
will to live... there is no better way to put it. ooohh so nice to know
other people have been so affected by that song, my favorite favorite song
:)

i hate to do this but i am changing jobs and need to get on and off the list
- can you tell me how - i delete the how tos.

on thu, 22 jan 1998, andi wrote:

> "kh [kelly barrick hovendick]: how true that is. who is your favorite goddess?
>
> ar: my favorite goddess? i'll have to say ani difranco [laughs].
>
> kh: ani ...
>
> ar: although she doesn't want to be a goddess, so she won't like it, but
> she's my favorite goddess.
>
> kh: what an answer.
>
> ar: she's going to kill me for saying that."
>
> so if amy sees ani as a goddess, it would seem to me that she wouldn't mind
> be called one herself. of course, i could be wrong about that too. :)

thanks andi. this is the article i was referring to in my earlier post
on this subject. it wasn't in curve after all.

mat

okay - jeez i have been lame on this - jude - send me your address - i'll
tape it today and try and mail it out today, okay?
you can tree it if you wish...

mike r.

i'm unclear where you stand on this whole issue tho...
i mean, i don't mean that we shouldn't hope to someday get a chance to
meet amy or emily, or to see as many shows possible, but wanting to make
decals that look like amy's tattoo are just eerie...let's let up on them
just a little is all i'm saying...way too many of the listers seem to
worship the indigo girls...that's not healthy in any way shape or form...
s
on wed, 21 jan 1998, michael reynolds wrote:

> i understand there are celebrities that are, with good reason,afraid of
> fans. i mean talking to ani is impossible now, three years ago she'd
> apoligize that she was backstage so long and she couldn't do coffee since
> she had to break her equipment down for the next gig. phish has a pretty
> open policy with a bunch of fans - bruce hornsby and susanne vega give
> people on their mailing lists passes after shows.
>
> there are a lot of celebs like that. today i was talking to press about a
> artist frequently mentioned on this list who is in maine this week and i was
> amazed that, first i got an interview, but it had to be before the show as
> she makes a point to meet fans after the show.  i would wager some celebs
> hate reporters much more than fans.  even when i was covering ig, their
> press people were psyched i knew so much - i knew when it came to the
> interview i wasn't going to ask the same questions. amy and emily were
>  actually happy to talk with a fan/reporter... while stalking may be on the
> rise as a result of the 'net (not even this list withstanding) there are
> great people meeting each other as a result too!
>
> my rant is over..there really is no need to flame me.
> mike r.
>
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actually, there's some version of that with whoopi goldberg that was cut
from boys on the side...

sharoane
on wed, 21 jan 1998, bonnemot wrote:

> in a message dated 98-01-21 08:44:06 est, madonajk@alpha.delta.edu writes:
>
> << how abotu take a walk on the wild side >>
>
> whoa best cover suggestion yet - i could dig this!!
> i said hey babe...
> bon
>
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we can blather on all we want about neo-paganism, and i suppose you can
take back the word all you want, but i wouldn't use the term goddess in
front of someone to refer to that person, because the person has no idea
what context you're using it in.  how are they supposed to know that
you're using it in the animist (or whatever) sense, and not the
traditional colloquial (hi i'm a stalker!) sense.
        i got a good taste of this at an ig show.  i was buying a t-shirt
and realized that michelle malone was standing on the table, directly in
front of me (when i turned around, my head was basically an inch from her
crotch.  it was completely unintentional, but strange, from any point of
view) i was so shocked that i looked up and said "you are a goddess..."
        well, just imagine what she thought of that.  she gave me this
weird should-i-call-security-on-you-look, and said "thanks" and signed my
7".
        so, newsflash, the word goddess has lots of unpleasant
connotations when used for public figures, and it shouldn't be thrown
around, unless you are a stalker and that is the image you'd like to
maintain.
mc

um,if you are talking to me, i didn't necessarily object to the term,
though it isn't one i ever use...i object to the slobbering fan types
who have nothing better to do than worship their favorite singers and
act like the sun rises and sets over them...like wanting to have amy's
tattoo or learning that one of them eats pop tarts and making it their
own staple from that moment on...and you know which posters i'm talking
about...
and no i don't know who eats what...it's just an example..!
sharoane

on wed, 21 jan 1998, carol & sarah wrote:

> i generally dont' use the term, but i think you are taking it a bit to
> far.  it's not like people actually have deified them, for real.  they
> may "worship" them, but not at some sacred level.  goddess is used as
> more of a playful term.  just a way to say "you're great!!"  i've been
> called a "cymbal diva" as my friend called herself the goddess of the
> mellophone cult.  its not like we took it that seriously.  it's just a
> title for showing importance.
>
> love,
>   carol
>
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argh...the whole point is not the word goddess..it's the attitude that
many folks on this list have about ig...
s

on wed, 21 jan 1998, knave4 wrote:

> not that this really makes a differance....
> correct me if i'm wrong, but i think some neo-pagan kinds of religions (the
> pantheistic or animistic sort, i think) regualarly refer to humans as gods or
> goddesses. if the divine spirit (or whichever entity you wish to name) runs
> through all of nature and humans are part of nature, then it wouldn't be that
> big a strech to say that everyone is a god or goddess in some aspect.
> i'm not saying that everyone who refered to amy and emily as goddesses was a
> neo-pagan, but it's not necesarily blasphemous to say that (which is what i'm
> infering from some of the posts) depending on your personal beliefs.
>
> west of bishes
> shana
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hi again,
ok, i need to make one thing clear for those of you who were not being
playful on the whole definition of goddess. i don't have a problem with
the useage of the word itself...i have a problem with the worshipful
attitudes that some people have on this list, and they take it as far as
treating amy and emily like they are more than human, with unhealthy awe
for them...putting them way up on a pedestal...that sort of thing....
sharoane, who loved the goddess jokes

i really think they should cover rhiannon! i think that would be heaven!
stevie nicks has such a intriguing voice that could only be matched by ig!

hi all...the irony of scrolling down past twenty or thirty or forty
lines of quoted text from an earlier message, only to hit the plea which
appears at the bottom of every message indicating that long
passages of quoted text should not be included, is really quite
striking.
i find that deleting all but four or five lines of genuinely relevant
text is an adequate way to reference a previously discussed topic. (and
remember, there's always the under-utilized practice of paraphrasing to
fall back on.)

just a thought -

peace-nic

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i saw in a post a little while ago that danielle howle & the tantrums are
opening for the seattle 1/23 show (tomorrow).... does anyone know who's
opening tonight (1/22)?

(if you know, could you email me privately - i'm on the digest, so i want
to make sure i get it before the show tonight - not to exclude other
people who might want to know the same thing!)

:) stephanie, fervently hoping that danielle is opening tonight as well

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stephanie lingwood                     lingwood@u.washington.edu
                        scholarship
            endless pursuit of procrastination
_______________________________________-jill certo______________

hkf's~

        we are all ig fans, right?
        the word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic"
        "fanatic" comes from the latin *fanaticus* (inspired by a deity,
frenzied) and means "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense
uncritical devotion".

        so referring to the girls as goddesses, idolizing them and their
ways, and putting them upon a pedestal is what ig fans *do* -- to a greater
or lesser degree.
        personally, putting their music aside, i think amy and emily are
really great human beings* and have many admirable qualities!
        fortunately, being finite beings we can all *soak up* that spiritual
energy that the girls provide us through their music, while they are capable
of performing it and we are capable of vibing to it :)

doolittle~

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-me :)

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a'ight - as most of y'all know, my butt has been subscribing,
unsubscribing, and resubscribing like mad due to my college transfer.
here i am in this big old place....new college...new people! the day
before i left i was hopin' ta' god that i'd find another indigo girls
fan.  you should all be pleased to know that today i did.  awwww yeeeah.
i feel so powerful...
here's the scene. :)
i had just taken a pee (o.k. that's immature. flame me. :)...i came
outta' the bathroom and what do i hear?!  'please welcome gerard mchugh,
wooh!"  uh-huh..you guessed it...some chick waaaaay down the hall and
around the corner was blastin' 1200 curfews. :)  i felt the vibe...and i
followed it...i just followed it all through my floor (it's set up
really weird...it's like a maze)..until i got to her room.
that shows ya' the power of i.g. music.  until now i had been really shy
about meeting people, but man...i'll be damned if i didn't track that
chick down. :)  my heart feels so full. :)

-bethany ;)

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hi all!

just wanted to say bye y'all!!  the semester has started ans i just
can't handle the volume of mail i'm getting right now.  i'll still be at
this e-address.  please feel free to write me.  i'd love to hear from
you.  have fun kids and play nice!  i'll check in every now and then.
love ya!

dianne

yes, indeed. i totally agree with nic:

> hi all...the irony of scrolling down past twenty or thirty or forty
> lines of quoted text from an earlier message, only to hit the plea
> which appears at the bottom of every message indicating that long
> passages of quoted text should not be included, is really quite
> striking.
> i find that deleting all but four or five lines of genuinely relevant
> text is an adequate way to reference a previously discussed topic.
> (and remember, there's always the under-utilized practice of
> paraphrasing to fall back on.)
>
> just a thought -
>
> peace-nic
>
> ______________________________________________________
> get your private, free email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
> --
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> long signatures or flames to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

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[aka: mel <melsouth1@hotmail.com> icq#7373594]

"i love to embrace the chaos of it all."
- ani difranco

lighten up people! :)

no-one thinks they are goddess's in the true sense of the word.
it's an adoring term of endearment for two girls that we all
care dearly about. :)

- rick

hi,
i was wondering if anyone has any more info on lilith '98. who is playing
besides ig? dates?

thanks,
chrisy

has anyone noticed that amy counts "one two three-four-five-six" on
this song? i had never heard it before because i just listened to it
on my home stereo or in my car, but now i had an opportunity to listen
to it with headphones and it was amazing...right after "killed by prarie
dogs and rabbits" before the part "i was running down on queen street..."
it's at 2:13 into the song.

i also noticed that on ig/closer to fine you can here amy's guitar parts
on the left speaker and emily's on the right. i don't know if this is
common knowledge but it might make it easier to figure out the chords/
notes they're playing if it's true throughout. :)

what?! too much time on my hands? is that what you're saying? :))))

- rick

speaking of concerts, is anyone out there going to the feb show in san
diego? i'm dying for someone to go with me.

adam

in a message dated 98-01-22 12:44:19 est, parkersd@violet.umfacad.maine.edu
writes:

<< ok, i need to make one thing clear for those of you who were not being
playful on the whole definition of goddess. i don't have a problem with
the useage of the word itself...i have a problem with the worshipful
attitudes that some people have on this list, and they take it as far as
treating amy and emily like they are more than human, with unhealthy awe
for them...putting them way up on a pedestal...that sort of thing....>>

<< argh...the whole point is not the word goddess..it's the attitude that
many folks on this list have about ig...
s>>

no, i really didn't miss your point; it just wasn't what i chose to comment
on. i'm sorry for the misunderstanding. maybe i should have changed the
subject line to "random spewage of info on the using the term goddess".
i agree with the point made originally.... unhealthy obsession is a bad thing.
i just got the impression from other posts that people felt applying the word
goddess to a human being was somehow blasphemous, and i wanted to present
another perspective.

west of bishes
shana

on wed, 21 jan 1998 14:40:53 gmt "deanna k. newcomb"
<deannan@mindspring.com> writes:
>this was on the ig newsgroup this morning. anyone know anything about
>this? has anyone ever dealt with this company before?
>
>deanna
>

does anyone have this disc or have they heard it? how is the quality?
how does it compare vol 1 and 2 in sound quality?

>
>>"the devil's in our bones"
>>early recordings: volume 3
>>released january 20, 1998
>>discs are individually numbered and limited to 1000 copies
>
>>1. crazy game (emily saliers) from indigo girls single, 1985
>

hey everyone...
someone posted about this a while ago, and i lost the address and pleaded but
no one knew what i was talking about...but i finally stumbled upon this site
again.  i highly recommend it to those guitar players out there...there's a
bunch of acoustic songs tabbed out, some interesting ways to play indigo girls
songs, especially burn all the letters.  he has it tabbed out in standard
tuning so its kinda cool....  plus there are also a bunch of really good
technical lessons on scales and stuff...

http://www.dreamscape.com/esmith/dansm/acoustic/songs.htm

ok, lemme see what else....oh yes...this is from a while ago but i was too
lazy to post it...when you peeps was talking bout strange reactions from
bumper stickers...my trusty sidekick, anya, and i were drving like 2 days
after the ig bumper sticker went on and this girl passed us and started
honking and waving an screaming incessantly and then she just drove off...ok
so it was really funny to us, i suppose it was one of those, "you had to be
there..."

i had something else to say , but i can't quite remember....so i will quit
while i am ahead...but go ... check out that site...its fun...

peace yall
sasha

found another friend.  anyone want to part with a ticket
for the sf monday concert?  general admission preferred.
please email.  thanks,  -r

in a message dated 98-01-22 01:00:43 est, lschreihart@juno.com writes:

<< and whether you have similar concert experiences, or no concert
experiences at all, you are an important part of this community.
it's the love in the music and for the music that makes us all
strong....not how many shows we've seen. we are fortunate
just in loving the music and being able to share it with each
other. >>

wow, what a great sentiment very aptly expressed by ms. lisa! let's all keep
it in mind shall we?

love ya,

bonnie

does anyone have an exta ticket for the s.d. show?

adam mullet

speaking of hkf, at least you were yesterday, does anyone know what heck
benjamin says? i can't figure it out except for a word here and there
thank you so much for your assistance, whoever offers it
jill
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ok so i was just wondering if anyone is planning on booting these west coast
shows??  we slacked a little with the tape trees and stuff over the summer...
so if anyone boots these shows, i would be willing to tree  them and such
(cause i have no life !!!!!!)   so if anyone wants to take me up on that just
lemme know...

back to boredom and the wait for er to come on...

peace
sasha

hey .. .
did anyone boot the ig show last july in san diego? it was my first show and i
would be very greatful if i found a copy of a boot.
thanx!
jenny

hey kind friends,

     how cool is this?  i'm taking a class here in my final semester
called "music and queer identity."  in terms of music discussed it looks
like it's going to be more along the lines of classical stuff, show
tunes, and why gay men love judy garland than current lesbian pop
goddesses (the word goddess to be taken jokingly in light of recent
debate - it's really not a word i ever use.)
  however, for one paper, i don't have the syllabus in front of me, but we
have to right something to the effect of an analysis of a single piece of
music - why we think it's queer.  it could be musically queer, lyrically
queer or otherwise queer coded.  i'm thinking i could have some fun with
that.
  even better though, sometime during the semester we each have to give a 20
minute presentation on the music that has shaped our identities.  you can
bet i'll include some major igc there.  this could possibly be the
coolest assignment i've ever had.  to talk about the music that i love
and has shaped who i am, and in an oral presentation no less.  (i
definitely prefer those to written papers.)
   probably when that paper roles around i'll be asking y'all for some
suggestions (once i'm clearer on exactly what the assignment is.)  until
then, just wanted to share.

oh, by the way, in other happy news, i heard a rumor (confirmed on some
unofficial web sight) that ani's playing at cornell in april. ig were
here my freshman year. i'm clearly spoiled.

be well everyone.
-colleen

hi-
i am planning on taking my little recording walkman to the 1/26 sf show and
the 1/30 la show.  i've never done this before, but i've been reading up on
tips about getting a decent recording with the kind of equipment i have, so
i think i'll be successful (at least for my own personal recording).  so,
if anybody is interested in those boots, i'd be willing to tree them.  but
what i want to know is, should i bother?  i mean, is somebody out there
planning on taking nice equipment in and doing a soundboard recording?  if
so, and you are willing to do the tree, please let me know so i don't have
to restrain myself from singing and screaming for nothing.  :)
or even if any of you were just planning on using a walkman, you are likely
to be more experienced than i am, so maybe you should be the one to do the
tree.  let me know!!!
thanks!
leslie

hi again--
i heard a story that there was this radio contest for high school students
where the winner would get indigo girls to play at their school.  the
winner was someone in some state like alabama (i think), and the parents
threw a fit and tried to ban the show because amy and emily are lesbians.
the students protested their parents disputes, and ig ended up coming
anyway.  has anyone heard about this?  was anyone there?  i don't even know
if this story is true, but if it is, and i butchered it, i sincerely
apologize.  but if it is true, it is a disgusting reminder about how stupid
and closed minded people can be.  it is sickening, but it's cool that the
students were victorious and ig came anyway, despite that fact that they
weren't entirely welcomed by the community.  if i were one of those high
school students, i would never speak to my parents again!!
again, i apologize if this story is stretched beyond the truth--someone at
my work told it to me.
leslie

thanx to everyone who helped me by answering my questions on whitman and dickenson. i've found a lot of stuff thanx to you all. any more ig songs related to american literature after 1865? send them to me privately. i'll be looking for this stuff all semester.

does anyone know where i can find out more information on frank stanford (subject of 3 hits)? i've searched the web for hours and come up empty. anyone have any sort of sampling of his work? please email me privately and keep 'em coming!!!!!

toye

shut up about it okay?????!!!!!!!!

jeez, i hate having to get violent about things, but i really feel like we've
beaten this one to death. we've already reached a consensus - nobody agrees
with anybody. so can we please agree to disagree and shut the aych-eee-
doublehockeysticks up about it?!?!?!?!

this message has been brought to you by: tigger's patented had-it-up-to-here
flame-o-matic (r)

peace, harmony & indigo
~~tigger, high priestess of amyism <-oooo look a goddess reference!
   -  novitiate of suzanne glassism                   call the cops!
<sheesh>
      - president, grlchasr26 fan club
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"and i will not be a racist!
and i will not be a sexist!
and i will not be a homophobic asshole!
and i will love! and i will love!
and i will be happy.... that i am......
alive!!!!!!!!!  1 2 3 4!!!!"
~~ amy in one of her phantasmal touch me fall soc's :)
********************************************************************

i just have to share this with people who will understand, my girlfriend
thinks i'm a freak (she obviously doesn't have the same appreciation for ig
that i do, and yet we've been togehter for 3 years, weird huh?)
    anyway!  there is a tv commercial for a radio station here that
includes about 8 seconds of the video for soy.  now i have to admit, i'm a
bit of a tv addict the damn thing is always on even if i'm not watching it
(yes, it's on now)....so everytime this commercial comes on i have to watch
it...i'll come running from whatever part of the house i'm in just to see
it.  somehow i have myself believing that maybe they will show a
*different* 8 second clip everytime...i wish.
    see the thing is i have never seen the whole video...i watched vh1 alot
for awhile, but got tired of matchbox 20 and fiona apple....every single
day...blaaah!  i will just have to live with a measely 8 secs.
        on the other hand i think it is really cool that the station is using ig
as one of their image artists (others included in the commercial were
duncan sheik, p. cole and d.m. band)  kinda cool i guess...

kc1

"everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me.....
              this world was meant for me.  don't bury me. carry me.  ~ a.
ray
"when you're learning to face the path at your pace,
                                                      every choice is worth
your while."    ~e.saliers

i'm posting to the list tonight for a little comfort.  i received one of
the *most* insulting e-mails from one of our beloved listees regarding
one of the *most* trivial things ever.  let me just say it consisted of
a coupla' "you'd betters..." and more than one "f**k."  oh my god...this
really sucks.  just thought y'all might like to know that there are some
really raunchy people lurking behind some of these screen names.....be
careful what you say and for god's sake, don't post a last names in your
address books...you might end up in a body bag.
so yeah...this probably wasn't an appropriate post, but it's coming from
a person who has been *very* careful all along....very careful not to
offend anyone and then someone treats me like an absolute piece of shit.
it's disconcerting to know that people like that dwell here. :(
yuck.
here's my i.g. content...
i love the indigo girls and they wouldn't like people who treat other
people like dirt over really dumb stuff that won't f**king matter when
we're dead.

-bethany
-don't bother flaming me for this message..i've got p.m.s. and i'll
delete it anyway...i'm in no mood to wade through any more shit.

just heard on mtv news that the indigo girls did a
remix of shed your skin with the lead singer (i
think) of rage against the machine.  they interviewed
him, and he said he hadn't really been very exposed
to their music.  then they volunteered to play at a
benefit he was organizing, so he was happy to help
them with the remix.  no word yet on when or how the
remix will be released.  i got the clip on tape, but
since i'm at school i don't have another vcr to copy
it.  i'm sure someone else on the list must have
recorded it though.

jeremy

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 00:02:02 est
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hey kind friends,
someone actually flamed sweet bethany with the f-word for something as tame as
'to goddess or not to goddess.' that is so lame! there is enough nastiness and
controversy out in the world (that i for one battle every day) so please kids,
let's not in-fight. we love the indigo girls. 'nuff said. if you don't want to
refer to them as goddesses- then don't. if you do- feel free! can we get on to
real battles? they're out there, you know.

'...sticks and stones, battle zones, a single light bulb on a single thread
for the black, sirens wail, history fails, the rose colored glass begins to
age and crack... the darker the ages get, there's a stronger beacon yet, let
it be me...'

leah~ who feels like she's dangling at the end of a single thread right now,
bustin' a gut to shine a bit 'o lite!

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 00:02:35 +0000
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hey everyone!

i have a plea for some info. i was wondering if any of you have tried to
contact russell carter's office about trying to book the girls for a show.
i know about the e-mail address and all but i'd like to talk to someone
first hand because this is kind of a special matter. if someone can tel me
how to do it, i would be grateful.

thanks a lot,
rob
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*  so shed your skin, baby, let it through!" *
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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 01:07:10 est
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hello ig people!
if anyone has the girls on tape from the ppv special last year i would be
extremely grateful for a copy. of course, a blank and postage would be
provided. :)
e-mail me please---> svenskalca@aol.com
thanks a bundle!!!
laura a.

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hey all..
it's sharoane, at home instead on my school address, and i have to
say that while i feel that i made a valid point in my original goddess
post, i never meant for y'all to fight about whether or not goddess was an
appropriate word! use whatever term you feel like, i certainly don't care.
i have problems with the attitudes of some of our slobbering fans on here.
hey, i joined this list to get tour info and talk about songs of the day
and stuff like that, not to speculate on ig personal lives or participate
in cyberstalking...
sharoane

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> from: terrilee11 <terrilee11@aol.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: let it be me...
> date: friday, january 23, 1998 12:02 am
>
> hey kind friends,
> someone actually flamed sweet bethany with the f-word for something as
tame as
> 'to goddess or not to goddess.' that is so lame! there is enough
nastiness and
> controversy out in the world (that i for one battle every day) so please
kids,
> let's not in-fight. we love the indigo girls. 'nuff said. if you don't
want to
> refer to them as goddesses- then don't. if you do- feel free! can we get
on to
> real battles? they're out there, you know.
>
> '...sticks and stones, battle zones, a single light bulb on a single
thread
> for the black, sirens wail, history fails, the rose colored glass begins
to
> age and crack... the darker the ages get, there's a stronger beacon yet,
let
> it be me...'
>
> leah~ who feels like she's dangling at the end of a single thread right
now,
> bustin' a gut to shine a bit 'o lite!
>
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hello folks,
i've not been on this list in about a year, but it's good to be back.  i
have some questions about michelle malone...i was wondering about her
health condition now.  i saw her play this summer and she was soooo
incredible that i couldn't believe she got so sick.  also, is there a
site that has chords of her songs.  olga doesn't seem to have any of her
work and i've been unsuccessful at finding anything...maybe a private
page or something....anyway, those are my questions.  thank you so much
to the folks who wrote back to all amerikan grrrl on behalf of my
request for "chiapas bound" chords!  i love that song and now i can make
myself cry, playing it!

thanks all,
liz
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[i apologize for abusing the list for this, but at this point i feel
that i have little choice or recourse in the matter.]

let me begin by saying that bethany's post was about me:
=======================================================================
i received one of
the *most* insulting e-mails from one of our beloved listees regarding
one of the *most* trivial things ever.  let me just say it consisted of
a coupla' "you'd betters..." and more than one "f**k."  oh my god...this
really sucks.  just thought y'all might like to know that there are some
really raunchy people lurking behind some of these screen names.....be
careful what you say and for god's sake, don't post a last names in your
address books...you might end up in a body bag.
=======================================================================

*no* this had *absolutely*nothing*whatsoever* to do with the "goddess"
thread.

i have since been receiving *interesting* messages from many of her
young college lister newbie friends.

cease and desist children. yes, children. i'm old enough to be the
mother of many of the people on this list.

thur, 22 jan i received a forwarded message meant to amuse from
<pbethan@bgnet.bgsu.edu>:
=======================================================================
*** >>>>>>>> fuck >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> perhaps one of
the most interesting and colorful words in the english >>>>>>>> language
is the word "fuck."
it is the one magical word, which, ju st >>>>>>>> by it's sound
describes pain, pleasure, love,
and hate. in language, >>>>>>>> "fuck" falls into many grammatical
categories. it can be
used as a >>>>>>>> verb, both transitive (john fucked mary) and
intransitive (mary was
>>>>>>>> fucked by john). it can be an active verb (mary doesn't really
give >>>>>>>> a
fuck); or an adverb (mary is really fucking interested in john);
>>>>>>>> and as a noun, (mary
is a terrific fuck). it can be used as an >>>>>>>> adjective (mary is
fucking beautiful). as you
see, there are very >>>>>>>> few words with the versatility of "fuck."
<snip>
======================================================================

amusing.

i was not at all offended by the forward; i have personally forwarded
many arguably amusing messages.

*however*, attached to my e-mail addy in the header were my first and
last names.

i was upset because this message had obviously been forwarded multiple
times (by all of the >>>s), and no doubt it will be forwarded across the
internet - with my name and e-mail addy.

[in fact, someone sent me a message to inform me that they were doing
just that, because i upset their little friend -- thank you, btw]

this is *verbatim* - the horrible, raunchy, threatening note i sent
which caused so much upset:
======================================================================
yes, "xxx" is my last name...
but... please... kindly... get it the fuck off of my e-mail addy in your
address book.
okay?
if i wanted the whole fucking world to know it, i'd use it in my e-mail
addy...
but i don't, do i?
there must be a reason.
i know my last name has appeared once or twice in posts.
but never attached to my e-mail addy in fwd messages.
i don't want it there.
get it?
good!
now get rid of it, asap from your address book!
thank you.
=======================================================================

as i tried to explain to one of those who sent me an *interesting*
message. there are reasons why i freaked.

no, kiddies, i'm not "running from the law." i haven't "committed any
crimes." i'm not "an escapee from a psycho ward or prison."

as bethany alluded, there are a lot of unpleasant people in the world.

i had the misfortune to meet one where i used to live. in fact i even
dated her. then i broke up with her, which made her extremely angry. so
angry that i had to move a few times, stay with friends, change po
boxes, change isps and e-mail addys, was almost fired from jobs, had
large male friends escort me to and from work. i did go to the police to
inquire about legal remedies, but without actual physical assault or
proof of intent to cause bodily injury...

eventually, i decided that it was time to move. i intended to move
within a couple of years, anyway. so i did. i considered legally
changing my last name, but i hoped that distance would cure the problem.
so far it has.

but all it takes is one forward to the wrong person.

i hope that no one else ever has to endure something like that. though i
know of at least 2 other people on the list who have.

this is the first time i've ever mentioned it to anyone on this list
despite making some good friends here; i had hoped never to discuss it.
however, my personal integrity as a decent human being was unnecessarily
and scurrilously attacked. my name wasn't mentioned, but i was duly
informed in one of those threateningly *interesting* messages that i
would be "outed" to "everyone" as "the lying, mean, rotten bitch that [i
am.]"

yuck, indeed.
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"i love to embrace the chaos of it all."
- ani difranco

just amy and emily all by themselves up on that big stage...
but they had a little help :)

wood song
three hits
get out the map
thin line
cut it out
it's alright
this train (revised)
love's recovery (with vonda shepard on keyboard)
shame on you
least complicated
hey kind friend (the actual setlist has reunion crossed out and jonas &
ezekial in its place, but neither one was played)
crazy game (with 2 horns from billy tipton msq)
scooter boys
galileo
kid fears
winthrop (actual setlist says leeds)
shed your skin
closer to fine

i hope this is accurate. maybe someone can confirm and post a review? i'm
off to bed. my contacts are sticking to my eyeballs...

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 18:21:05 +1100
reply-to:     linda kuill <kuilll@mpx.com.au>
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hello all

i was wondering if someone could tell me which issue of ms is being referred
to and what is on the cover/or articles to look out for as down under
sometimes it takes a while for what is current for you guys to get here.
thanks heaps in advance

regards
linda

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 07:31:41 -0500
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99x, the ~way~ cool radio station here in atlanta, has announced
their "best of whatever" awards for 1997. and while the girls
didn't make the cut, kudos to the ~marvelous~ madame malone
for being named best female singer -- local.
(best local male went -- again! -- to michael stipe! whoo hoo!)
and with an honorable mention for best album released in 1997,
sarah mclachlan made the list with surfacing.

also in this month's issue is an interview with danielle howle.
i'll post a little of it here: (completey and totally without permission,
of course!)

danielle howle throws a tantrum
...
when not on tour with artists like the indigo girls and ani difranco,
she still wakes up early in the morning to get a jump on the day
and get her babies ready for their next outing.
in danielle world, her songs are her babies. she spends her time
nurturing and coaxing them into greatness. she takes great pride
in her motherhood. she practically glows.
"i'm the mother of my stuff. i'm the show mom trying to show
them, putting make-up on them and saying 'go out little
songies. go out and rock.'" says danielle. "i'm a stay-at-home mom."
...
she's more than music on stage. danielle is the older kid in elementary
school i would've tried to imitate. she is a gifted artist of many talents.
she is shy and out-going, sweet and tough, candid and cryptic. she is
the best kind of contradiction. she is from danielle world. she is
danielle, my hero, my new, oldest and best friend.
-- natalie chalfin

and as a final note on this month's 99xpress --
there's a teeny little teaser for next month's issue ... drumroll
puh-leeeeze ...
"an interview with an indigo girl!"

whooooo hooooo!
later, kids!
cathy

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 08:22:17 est
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jeez o flip!!!!!

i have had strange fire since it came out way back in the day and i never
heard that part that pookayaks was talking about until today...when i knew it
was there and was listening for it...i can't decipher it either...

i wish i was working in radio again...i'd take that and run it through the
board and try to isolate what it is that is being said in the background...

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 08:27:27 est
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yes i found my mission for today...

i have played i don't wanna know at least 3 times and still can't figure out
what the heck is being said...

i messed with the equalizer and the treble and bass though and heard it a
little clearer...little being the operative word...:)

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 08:56:54 est
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i think i got it...

well atleast most of it...and i think it sounds like michelle malone saying
it...she is in the liner notes as having been doing vocals and she did co
write it...

ok...here goes...

hey hey hey
i can't talk to you
yeah yeah i know
well i gotta go ok
(here's the part i can't deceipher)
over 1 billion served

i'm done i promise

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 06:07:33 -0800
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now that the west coast tour has started...
are they performing with full band?? just curious.

also i'm still looking for one more san francisco ticket
for monday's san francisco concert. thanks, -r

would the person who recently posted about this article please e mail me
privately. thanx, crone.

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 12:04:55 est
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i booted last night's concert in seattle, but i had the worst luck with the
buttons: pause button, fwd/rev button, record button, and i wasn't paying
attention to when the tape would run out so it's kinda scrambled. better luck
tonight and tomorrow!

anne

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 17:06:59 +0000
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i sent a message to the postmaster at one of the sites used to spam this
list the other day. just thought you might like to see the reply i got.
wonder what he means by "fry the spammer"?

mat

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: fri, 23 jan 1998 08:16:08 -0800
from: stephen clayton <stecla@cm2.com>
to: 'matthew j smith' <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject: re: email spam - the call is free!! (fwd)

we would appreciate it if you did this to the spammers as well...
we can't stop it... there are a few things that people say you can
do but it's not as easy as they make it seem... it's really hard to
make it all stop and continue serving your own customers.
so long as spam is a successful marketing tool it will continue.
the way to stop spam is to fry the spammer and for it
to not be worth his while business wise.
we've learned this with the war on drugs. all the enforcement in
the world will not work so long as there is a market and
money involved...sorry, but we're a victim too...
steve

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from:   matthew j smith [smtp:mts5@aber.ac.uk]
sent:   friday, january 23, 1998 12:29 am
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subject:        email spam - the call is free!! (fwd)

your server has just been used to send this spam email to a mailing list
with several hundred people subscribed to it. i do not appreciate
getting this junk in my mailbox, and i would appreciate it if you would
take action against this wasteful and intrusive abuse of resources.

mat

[spam deleted]

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 12:06:14 -0400
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that i lived on the west coast... have fun at the shows, everyone!
tell them to come back east asap. :d

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 12:25:22 -0400
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yep it was an exciting late-night adventure at village inn in salt lake
city...the pre-portland gathering of all of two (hey, it's utah)
listees...well actually me and one former listee..nevermind :)
at any rate, there was hot chocolate, fun, and indigo-wit to be had by
all.
just so you know the flame is alive in this benighted state!
leaving for portland in 8 hours!!!!
hello to the indigohioans,

waiting impatiently,

annabeth

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 13:44:19 -0500
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yeah, but how would you feel if you constantly wondered if someone was
going to crack and take things just a little too far...hero-worship
often takes drastic forms...i myself am not a "fan", but i am a great
admirer....how's that?
sharoane, who is not fanatical...

on thu, 22 jan 1998,
doolittle wrote:

> hkf's~
>
>         we are all ig fans, right?
>         the word "fan" is derived from the word "fanatic"
>         "fanatic" comes from the latin *fanaticus* (inspired by a deity,
> frenzied) and means "marked by excessive enthusiasm and often intense
> uncritical devotion".
>
>         so referring to the girls as goddesses, idolizing them and their
> ways, and putting them upon a pedestal is what ig fans *do* -- to a greater
> or lesser degree.
>         personally, putting their music aside, i think amy and emily are
> really great human beings* and have many admirable qualities!
>         fortunately, being finite beings we can all *soak up* that spiritual
> energy that the girls provide us through their music, while they are capable
> of performing it and we are capable of vibing to it :)
>
> doolittle~
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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 13:35:10 -0500
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hey everyone...i just turned my roomie on to the indigo girls today :)
this place is really lookin' up - let me tell ya'.  actually, i played
her tapes of me and my good buddy shannon *singing* indigo girls, and
she wanted to hear the "real thing."  i'm so proud. :)
anyhooooos...she's all... "baby, i think i need to get me some o' that!"
:) i'm happy here in my little indigo world.  every day it looks a
little better! :)

-bethany ;)

someone wrote:
>. . . to the 1/26 sf show

arrrgh!! every time i see someone talking about the "sf show", i keep
thinking they're talking about a "strange fire show". it's making me
crazy!! i suppose that's what happens to you when you don't get enough
sleep. . .

oh, and btw, just wanted to thank the very kind listees who helped me out
a long time ago by responding to my plea for friendship songs! it was
really, really helpful, and my friends loved the tape i gave them for
christmas. thank you so much!

all things indigo,
kristina :o)

* * * * *
"the music whispers you in urgency,
hold fast to that languageless connection. " --emily saliers

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 12:37:48 -0600
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   sorry to do this to you but....it does make a very good point in light
of the recent falme throwing that's been going on around here lately
hi --just got this 2nite--it sounded kinda kool at first--a good point
all around i guess.
> later...
> something to ponder over the next few days,  we all have such limited
> time here, love and let love, and just be real.
>        around the corner i have a friend,
>                       in this great city that has no end,
>                       yet the days go by and weeks rush on,
>                       and before i know it, a year is gone.
>                       and i never see my old friends face,
>                       for life is a swift and terrible race,
>                       he knows i like him just as well,
>                       as in the days when i rang his bell.
>                       and he rang mine
>                       if, we were younger then,
>                       and now we are busy, tired men.
>                       tired of playing a foolish game,
>                       tired of trying to make a name.
>                        "tomorrow i say "i will call on jim"
>                        "just to show that i'm thinking of him."
>                       but tommorow comes and tommorow goes,
>                       and distance between us grows and grows.
>                       around the corner!- yet miles away,
>                       "here's a telegram sir"
>                       "jim died today."
>                       and thats what we get and deserve in the end.
>                       around the corner, a vanished friend.
>
>        remember to always say what you mean.  if you love someone, tell
> them. don't be afraid to express yourself.  reach out and tell someone
> what they mean to you.   beause when you decide that it is the right
> time,it might be too late.  seize the day.  never have regrets.  and most
> importantly, stay close to your friends and family, for they have
> helpedmake you the person that you are today.  pass this along to your
> friends.it could make a difference.  the difference between doing all
> that youcan or having regrets which may stay with you forever.
>        sorry to do this to you:
>        this is a love chain letter.  within 5 days you must send it to 27
> other people.  on the 5th day a person you like will ask you out, or tell
> youmthat  they love you.  if you do not send it you will have problems
> in future relationships. duh, doesn't everyone... it has been going
> since 1877 and hasn't stopped since.
>
>
>                                                        him...
>
>        his eyes, are like crystal blue streams,
>        his hair, is a golden color, only seen in my dreams,
>        his skin, is as soft and smooth as silk,
>        and looks as creamy as fresh, cold milk.
>        when i look at him,
>        and hear his voice,
>        my heart beats faster,
>        it has no choice.
>        my stomache flutters endlessly,
>        i only wish,
>        that he could see,
>        how much his love,
>        means to me.
>
>
>        i'm sorry, but you have been one of the very many who have been
> chosen to forward this chain letter.  it was started june 7, 1997, and
will keep
> on going until some lazy and disrespectful person decides not to send it.

>
>        if you do send it:
>        in 5 days maximum, someone you love will either ask you out or
> tell you they love you.  if you do not believe in this,  then at least
try it and
> see for yourself.  there's nothing too lose!!  when i first recieved a
chain
> letter- i thought it was just garbage.  i thought," yeah right, like he's
> really gonna ask me out in 5 days just because i forwarded a chain letter
> to 27 teens,"  but i sent 32 of them, and to my surprise,  he called me
up
> on the 5th day from when i sent them, and asked me out.  we are still
going out
> this very second.  that was about a month and a half ago.  we are very
happy
> together, and plan to be that way for a long time.  so just give it a
> try- you'll be surprised!!  you will also be recognized by someone who
kept
> the letter going in a couple of years.
>
>        if you don't send it:
>        the consequences are if you don't send it, you will have bad luck
> in relationships for the rest of your life.  believe me, you'll regret
it.
>        so, i hope after reading this you will forward it to at least 27
> people in 5 days.
>
>         starlit night
>
>         the night is bright,
>         with a starlit sky,
>         i sit and think,
>         as time passes by,
>         oh stary night,
>         with a moonlit sky,
>         take me away,
>         and tell me why,
>         give me a reason,
>         for love's end,
>         give me a reason,
>         for why i lost a friend,
>         i sit and think,
>         all night long,
>         about the things,
>         that all went wrong,
>         starlit sky,
>         give me a reason why.
>
>
>
>         send this to as many people in the next 13 minutes and you will
be rewarded in areas such as love and friendship. if u don't send it out
with 13 minutes or delete it you will be damned for all of eternity!!!

>         13 people- u will get a kiss from your crush
>         26 people - get a kiss from ur crush and an "a" on your next
>                              term paper
>         39 people-  everything above and have a great sex life
>         52 people - everything above and u will not die at age 52
>                              you will land a great job that pays lots
>         65 people - everything above and win a raffle and marry a
>                              model
>         78 people - everything above and go to a famous college
>         91 people - get a car for your 16th b-day and everything else
>                              above
>         169 people - everything you could possibly want out of life u
>                                r going to get
>
>
>         this letter has blessed with luck !!!! don't break the chain or
you
> will be damned!!!!! and go to hell, with all of the rest of your
co-horts.
> : ) i caution you again

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 13:49:35 est
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hey!
i just caught the very end of an mtv news segment and all i saw was a pic of
amy and emily, but i didn't hear the news!!!!!!!!

did anybody else catch this????

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 14:00:51 est
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in a message dated 98-01-21 09:49:38 est, you write:

<< put 2 plants in each and for a week or
whatever you pump smoke from a cigarette (we used a syringe kind of thing) >>
i think that you need another plant pumped with something else, like air or
something so that you can show that the reason that the plants suffer is
indeed from the smoke and not from being poked by a syringe.

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 14:26:45 -0400
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well the syringe didn't actually touch the plants... maybe i don't mean
syringe... it was just a way of pumping smoke into the space. one time my
mom tried smoking the cigarette and just blowing it in but she started
coughing... if you know a smoker perhaps they could do it! otherwise make
some type of pumping contraption.... my mom is a nurse and took stuff from
the hospital...

on fri, 23 jan 1998, bellepal wrote:

> in a message dated 98-01-21 09:49:38 est, you write:
>
> << put 2 plants in each and for a week or
> whatever you pump smoke from a cigarette (we used a syringe kind of thing) >>
> i think that you need another plant pumped with something else, like air or
> something so that you can show that the reason that the plants suffer is
> indeed from the smoke and not from being poked by a syringe.
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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 11:48:51 -0800
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sorry if anyone else posted this, but i saw it last
night. i think i freaked my gf out (we were on the
phone) cause i caught my breath in this gaspy way.
she's the one who got me into the girl tho, so i
think she understood when i told her what it was.
(and finally after that waste of space...)

it was just a quick blurb about rage against the
machine covering sys (i think that's the one, yeah it
is) and how ig and ratm have some common political
ideas. it was short, you didn't miss much, except
the photos of everyone looked cute!

amanda, who is now going to delete the excess message
like the list sig asks me to.

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---atlmouse wrote:

i just caught the very end of an mtv news segment
did anybody else catch this????

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 14:45:54 -0500
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hey folks,

thanks to all those who participated in auction #1..it certainly wasn't as
painful as i had expected :) and the winner was extremely happy because i
know she's been looking for it for a long long time.

the next item should be popular, as i've seen a ton of posts asking about
posters. it's generally titled the re-issue strange fire poster. it was
printed as a promotional item around the time between the release of
indigo girls and strange fire. it's approximately 24" x 32", there is a
large black and white photo of the girls at the top that appears to be
from the indigo girls album shoot. underneath are two individual color
solo in concert shots. down the right side of the poster it says indigo
girls in blue and along the it reads "indigo girls, the album. and now
available, the re-release of "strange fire."

this poster is extremely tough to find as well as being an attractive
poster that would look sharp in a frame.

bidding will run for a few days..no more than 5 or less if it slows down
to two people or one clear winner. write if you have any questions or to
obtain a bid update. i could post the current high bid on my page if
interest is there, or just write and say..hey joe..what's the poster bid..
and i'll write back asap. happy bidding and have fun.
we are fortunate ones,
joe
http://www.moonbase.com/fortunateones

hkfs--

soooo....

i would love to get to have an sf listmeet.

i am totally happy to do some email co-ordination, if people in the bay area
wanna.

lemme know!

-- rob, on the road

(looking forward to the seattle shindigo tonight!)

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 20:36:47 +0000
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subject:      re: nigc!!! fw: ( read it, it'll make you think)
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on fri, 23 jan 1998, kc1 wrote:

<snippage>
> >        sorry to do this to you:
> >        this is a love chain letter.  within 5 days you must send it to 27
> > other people.  on the 5th day a person you like will ask you out, or tell
> > youmthat  they love you.  if you do not send it you will have problems
> > in future relationships. duh, doesn't everyone... it has been going
> > since 1877 and hasn't stopped since.
<more snippage>

no it hasn't been going since 1877, in fact, it probably dates back no
further than 1997. if it had been going since then, don't you think that
rather more than 3 or 4 people would have added to it?

oh yeah, and do you think that whoever started it off in 1877 would have
written "it's been going since 1877 and hasn't stopped since"? these
things never seem to occur to people who forward these stupid things.

mat

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 15:31:22 est
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hey y'all--

i know someone mentioned something about a list meet at the bay area shows,
but wasn't sure if anything more had been decided. i think it would be cool.
i'm going to both san francisco shows, but couldn't do anything beforehand
because i'm driving up from san jose and don't get off work till around five
(anyone else getting there early to stand in line?).

whoever it was that posted the guitar web-site yesterday, you rock!!!

peace,
shelley

missed my bus and it's really bad weather out there - so no dar show or
interview for me -
bummed out
mike r.

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 15:01:28 -0500
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don't know if this has been posted or not, but danielle howle and the
tantrums are in the new cmj new music magazine. this is the one that
comes with a cd. the album "do a two sable" is reviewed and the song
"she has a past" is on the sampler.

this is the february issue that has goldie on the cover.

lisa

lisa nordeen
instructor - wellness/sport science
university of minnesota, morris
(320) 589-6429

in order to clarify the high school issue i will tell what i know.  ig held
a contest for highschoolers to see who could come up with the best lyrics
for a song and the winner got them to come play at their school.  now last
summer i met a guy at navy pier (in chicago) who was visiting from georgia
and he told me a girl at his school had won the concert and ig had come to
play at his school. he didn't mention anything about the controversy but he
did say it was an awesome concert!  that's what i know about it :)  my 2 cents.

beth

first of all let me apologize for the chain letter thing, i had meant to
only include the top half in my post to the list...the sappy poem part...i
was on my lunch break and in a rush...i don't believe in all that chain
letter stuff, but i had forwarded the entire message to my sister (because
i like to bug her!) and forgot to clip the end off...no excuses i am sorry!
please forgive me...i did like the sentiment in the opening part though!
as for my igc and i do have some! but this is weird...my mom told me she
heard them talking about ig on geraldo this week (she thought it was on
tuesday)...now i'm not home when this is on and of course she couldn't
remember what they were talking about (typical)...and she says "i didn't
realize they were still a band" ...of course remembering that i listened to
nothing but ig my senior year in high school and that was almost nine years
ago wow!
so my question is did anyone see this????

kc1

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 14:20:54 -0800
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no, not strange fire...

i have an extra ticket for monday's show

(best friend has contracted chicken pox at the ripe old age of 24)

la la la

it's $27.50

-larissa
==
blessings,

ms. oak

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 17:40:50 est
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i'm taking bids till 9 pm......

highest so far are....

strap $165

poster $100

pass $70

i will e-mail these bidders privately, so they can cross their fingers!!

the rest of you.... come on!!!! make your bids!!

here is a description of the items again.....

e-me privately with your offers on the items described below. highest "bid"
by friday, january 23 at 9pm gets it!

backstage pass sticker (backing still intact) from rop tour, autographed by
amy.

rop promo poster, indigo blue pic of two women dressed in "vintage" clothing.
autographed by both girls.

and...last but not least...<sigh>.....

autographed leather guitar strap...signed by both.

all items are in excellent condition!!

thanks!
~~robin

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 18:12:56 -0500
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hello,
if there's anyone who lives around montreal, you might want to attend to
this, its about one of the issue amy&emily so support...
its about native people and their struggle to save their land. ( i noticed
the announcement because it featured a few names i
had seen on the honor action cards.) i'm going to be there. its admission
by donation.
hopi prophecy
friday, january 30, 7 pm
1395 rene-levesque o.
rm 114
info: 848-7443

if someone plans on going, email me, maybe i could meet you there.
july ;)

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 18:58:56 -0500
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the following was posted to the list back on tue, 20 may 1997 by
belinda a hullett <bahullett@juno.com>

-------------------------------------------------------------
lyric contest concert article

i've never posted to this list before although i have been a dedicate
lurker for quite awhile, but i feel compelled now for a couple of
reasons.  first and foremost, i was at the auburn show at it was
awesome!
it was my first live ig experience and they, as expected, were
spectacular.  i've read the reviews of the concert  posted here and they
were well done.  however, amy did seem a little irritated at one point
with the whole tuning deal -- but she did not let her get down for long.
both a & e seemed very pleased and more than a little surprised that the
crowd was so familiar with and fond of the new songs.  very, very cool.

second, i live in montgomery, al where the lyric contest winner resides.
while i would have loved to been able to attend the contest concert, i
thought it was great that a local girl won and that ig got to play here.
anticipating that there might be some mention of the event in the
newspaper, i picked one up this evening only to see that it did not just
ge coverage, it got the headline.  cool!  since there was a color
picture
accompanying the article, that is where my eyes landed first.  i was
thrilled, until i saw the headline which read "concert brings joy,
controversy".  i'm sure you can figure out where this is going.  for
your
convenience, here's the article:

reprinted from the montgomery advertiser, 5/20/97:

"concert brings joy, controversy
_________________________
by holly kurtz
montgomery advertiser

ashley tillery shared the stage monday with her dream and tom
blackerby's nightmare.

ashley is a 16-year-old booker t. washington student. singers amy
ray
and emily saliers of the grammy-award winning group the indigo girls
honored her monday with a concert in her school gymnasium.

"i can't believe that the indigo girls know my name," she said. "i
can't believe that in 10 years from now, they'll be like, remember that
ashley chick. that's really cool for me."

tom blackerby is the director of the american family association of
alabama.

he was upset to find out ms. saliers and ms. ray are lesbians whose
albums feature songs about homosexuality.

"we're sending the wrong message to our children saying that the
homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle," he said.

that was beside the point for ashley.

she was so excited about meeting her heroes, she listened to nine of
their cds sunday night, counted off the time until the concert in
minutes
and bowed to ms. saliers and ms. ray when she met them.

they rewarded her with the concert after judging her song lyric
"stars" the best of 12,000 entries submitted to the nationwide
scholastic
song write contest sponsored by epic records.

the indigo girls said nothing about homosexuality at monday's
concert.
the performance was open only to booker t. washington's ninth through
12th graders. it was optional and free. no school funds paid for it.

that was beside the point for mr. blackerby.

"would you let nude dancers come to your high school and perform for
free?" he asked.

mr. blackerby said he would try to make sure nothing like this
happens
again.

michael dickey, chairman of the montgomery county board of education,
said he was unaware the indigo girls had performed at booker t.
washington. he said he had never heard of them. it's up to
administrators
to decide who performs at montgomery schools, he said, but these
administrators need to be careful, he said.

"the kinds of groups we invite into the schools need to reflect the
community," he said.

"montgomery is, of course, very conservative, very family-oriented."

school superintendent john a. "pete" eberhart said he had never heard
of the indigo girls or their lyrics either. he said he was unaware they
were homosexual.

"they didn't make any political statements or statements about gender
preferences," he said. "they were there as performers."

had school officials chosen a group to perform, they might not have
chosen the indigo girls, dr. eberhart said. but school officials didn't
choose the indigo girls, scholastic inc. did.

"i think if there's some concern, the people who are concerned
probably need to communicate with the sponsors," he said.

the sexual orientation of the indigo girls is irrelevant, said lynn
gardner, a spokeswoman for scholastic inc.

"they're good songwriters," she said. "the contest is strictly about
lyric writing and hoping to encourage people who otherwise would not
write to submit lyrics."

ashley agreed.

"adults tend to be very pigheaded and very traditional and very
nostalgic," she said. "the kids didn't care that they were gay. what
they
cared about is that they got to come out of class and hear some really
good music."

about 5,200 people attended a concert sunday by the singers at
auburn
university, according to the university program council."

needless to say, i was not pleased with what i read. i was so proud
when
montgomery aired the ellen episode despite the fact that birmingham
refused to -- i thought maybe minds were beginning to open up a bit.
then this. ( the nude dancer comment is classic, don't you think?) some
people just do not get it and probably never will, you know?

bah

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dr
-- it's crackers to slip a rozzer the dropsy in snide. -- mad magazine
in the early 50's.

hi everyone!  there is a nice little write-up in this week's sacramento news
& review, the free entertainment weekly, which names it the "music pick" of
the week:
"when emily saliers penned the tune "power of two", it's doubtful that she
intended it to be other than a love song.  but the success and faithful fan
following of the indigos suggests that the phrase can also be a metaphor for
the effect that two women, two guitars and lyrics that speak directly to the
heart and conscience can have.  adding the element of electric guitar and a
stronger backup group to their sound during their last effort, swamp
ophelia, and again on this latest full-length album, each new effort from
amy ray and emily saliers shows fans a different facet of their musical
abilities.  the success of cuts such as "touch me fall" and "don't give that
girl a gun" are testament to their newfound electric efforts, and their
acoustics and pure harmonies still ring true on new cuts shame on you and get
out the map.  since the shaming of the sun tour took off in knoxville, tenn.,
in may 1997, the indigos have been crisscrossing the united states for
concert dates, but it's the first time that they have taken the stage in
sacramento."

is the sacramento-area list contingent non-existent or just quiet? e-mail me
privately if you're going to the show and might want to get together after.
davel

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 18:31:55 -0800
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>i am planning on taking my little recording walkman to the 1/26 sf show and
>the 1/30 la show. i've never done this before, but i've been reading up on
>tips about getting a decent recording with the kind of equipment i have, so
>i think i'll be successful (at least for my own personal recording).

umm..how do you sneak them in past security and not get caught?? i want to
do it too but too afraid that i will get caught by security :)

nem :)

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 18:36:46 -0800
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hi y'all--
i'm turning the list off for the weekend, so if anybody has any responses
to my recent posts (particulary the one about booting the sf (not strange
fire) and la shows), please email me privately. i really hope someone
besides me is going to attempt to tape these shows, because you never know
what kind of disasters i will encounter when i try it. i'm still going to
do it, but it would be nice if we had more opportunities at a good
recording.
i'll be back on tuesday with a full review of the mon. warfield show!!!
god, i'm so excited!!!!!
leslie

p.s. thanks don, for that article about ig at the high school. so it
really is true. wow.

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 22:15:10 est
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thanks for all the bids and offers!

those who made the highest bids will be hearing from me as to shipping and
payment arrangments.

thanks to everyone for your offers, and i'm not just speaking monetarily!!!!

y'all are great!
~~robin

i recently received my thrive cd ..... & i must rave about it.
first, i'm obsessed w/ the live version of center stage.
(when em says honey)...mmm!
second, this is the first song i've heard from viva la diva....
it's called running into history & it's great..
also on cd is belloluna, gerard mchugh, big fish ensemble & many
other greats.
go get this cd!

as you were,
jami
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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 20:05:41 -0800
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at 01:44 pm 1/23/98 -0500, sharon parker wrote:
>yeah, but how would you feel if you constantly wondered if someone was
>going to crack and take things just a little too far...hero-worship
>often takes drastic forms...i myself am not a "fan", but i am a great
>admirer....how's that?
> sharoane, who is not fanatical...

hi sharon~

        i understand where you're coming from, but no one is *forcing* amy
and emily to stay in the spotlight.  if you're going to be a "public
figure", there are consequences that follow that choice.
        i have seen first hand how reluctant amy ray feels about by her
fame, but she must also derive great enjoyment from her achievements, else
she wouldn't continue with it :)

love,
tony

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 23:06:21 -0500
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hi y'all!
        this is the last time i'll post this, but i am begging here!  does
anyone have a boot of the 1 dec '97 show in columbus?!  please!!!  there
has to be a boot of that out there somewhere!  if you have it, please
e-mail me.  i have a very tiny boot collection, so we can wither work out
a trade or i can send you a blank tape and return postage and all that
good stuff.  please e-mail me if you can help!  i went to that show and it
was by far my fave ig show ever and i'd love to have a boot!

:-) karen

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date:         fri, 23 jan 1998 20:19:32 -0800
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anyone out there want to go to the s.d. show with me next sunday?
there're still seats! i'll drive! i'm begging!

adam mullet

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melsouth: in response to your post wherein you termed me and all other
listees of my age frame "young college lister newbie friends," "children,"
and "kiddies," i would just like to say that i hope when i *finally*
become as *very* *very* old as you are (i.e. when *i* can condescendingly
spout off "i'm old enough to be your..."), that i will harbor considerably
less bitterness towards those whom i'd be old enough to mother. i am
genuinely sorry that some psychotic woman has f***ed your life up, but
you are misdirecting your anger at those of us who did *nothing* to cause
your situation, and to some of us who (despite our *immaturity*) may even
be sympathetic to your plight.
jill

actually, the lyric contest was sponsored by the scholastic books/reader
people, not the indigo girls. the scholastic folks asked ig to judge it. the
winner got a concert. im not sure if the mini brouhaha began before or after
the girls played there, but what i read was that some people on the school
board got wind that ig were lesbians, heaven forefend. the school principal
and teachers said they werent aware. the scholastic people, much to their
credit, said it didnt matter, that they were looking for good songwriters to
judge the lyric contest and sexuality had nothing to do with it, especially
since the girls made no mention of their sexuality during the show.

praytell, what are you doing with the profits from these items??

----------
> from: atlmouse <atlmouse@aol.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: autographed strap, poster and backstage pass!!!!!!!!!!!
> date: friday, january 23, 1998 5:40 pm
>
> i'm taking bids till 9 pm......
>
> highest so far are....
>
> strap $165
>
> poster $100
>
> pass $70
>
> i will e-mail these bidders privately, so they can cross their fingers!!
>
> the rest of you.... come on!!!!  make your bids!!
>
> here is a description of the items again.....
>
> e-me privately with your offers on the items described below.  highest
"bid"
> by friday, january 23 at 9pm gets it!
>
> backstage pass sticker (backing still intact) from rop tour, autographed
by
> amy.
>
> rop promo poster, indigo blue pic of two women dressed in "vintage"
clothing.
> autographed by both girls.
>
> and...last but not least...<sigh>.....
>
> autographed leather guitar strap...signed by both.
>
> all items are in excellent condition!!
>
> thanks!
> ~~robin
>
> --
> all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
> for help write to indigo-girls-request@netspace.org.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

i still think you are missing the point...
there is a fine line between being a fan in the regular sense of the word
and admiring the performers and their music, but i also think that many
people here take that fandom too far...stalking your star of choice and
wanting to copy tattoos as a decal, discussing waiting six hours to catch
sight of your favorite singer...i mean, elvis fans used to chase him and
try to rip his clothes off.  look what happened to him...
         i just want folks to realize that if we scare amy and emily
enough, they won't stay in the spotlight...they'll go hide out and never be
heard from again.
      sharoane

----------
> from: doolittle <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: re: goddess thing....and ig fans
> date: friday, january 23, 1998 11:05 pm
>
> at 01:44 pm 1/23/98 -0500, sharon parker wrote:
> >yeah, but how would you feel if you constantly wondered if someone was
> >going to crack and take things just a little too far...hero-worship
> >often takes drastic forms...i myself am not a "fan", but i am a great
> >admirer....how's that?
> >             sharoane, who is not fanatical...
>
>         hi sharon~
>
>         i understand where you're coming from, but no one is *forcing*
amy
> and emily to stay in the spotlight.  if you're going to be a "public
> figure", there are consequences that follow that choice.
>         i have seen first hand how reluctant amy ray feels about by her
> fame, but she must also derive great enjoyment from her achievements,
else
> she wouldn't continue with it :)
>
> love,
> tony
>
> --
> all listserv commands should be sent to listserv@netspace.org.
> for help write to indigo-girls-request@netspace.org.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

whoa, take it slow here...
what i think she was trying to say is that some of the younger and
perhaps less mature members of this list have been attacking her...i mean,
i am a college student too, but i'm a little older than most of you for
being in school, and i can say that the younger people here tend to get a
little more carried away. yes, it's a generalization, and i would never
hold it to be true for all of you, but please, maybe try to respect the
generation differences and act like adults...
sharoane, who isn't trying to be mean

----------
> from: jillian.certo@oberlin.edu
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: oh, just the loud-mouthed kid re: listee "kiddies"
> date: friday, january 23, 1998 11:02 pm
>
> melsouth:  in response to your post wherein you termed me and all other
> listees of my age frame "young college lister newbie friends,"
"children,"
> and "kiddies," i would just like to say that i hope when i *finally*
> become as *very* *very* old as you are (i.e. when *i* can condescendingly
> spout off "i'm old enough to be your..."), that i will harbor
considerably
> less bitterness towards those whom i'd be old enough to mother.  i am
> genuinely sorry that some psychotic woman has f***ed your life up, but
> you are misdirecting your anger at those of us who did *nothing* to cause
> your situation, and to some of us who (despite our *immaturity*) may even
> be sympathetic to your plight.
> jill
>
> --
> please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
>       long signatures or flames to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

i am so bummed out and pissed off.  the powers that be have informed me
that the 37 messages i recieved the other day are unaccaptable.  i have
been taken off of the list.  but before i go there are some things that i
want to say.
a couple of weeks ago i was still under the impression that i was the only
one who was as obsessed as i am with the indigo girls (well, to be
specific, amy).  and this had become a problem for me.  i started to feel
bad for feeling such a strong connection to them.  and, for the first time,
i found myself with a problem that the ig couldn't help me through.
i started listening to the ig because they were the only thing out there
who made me feel like i wasn't alone for having all of the thougths and
feelings that i have.  but they don't have a song about being obsessed
them.  y'all have provided me with what i needed.
and i find that interesting that i started listening to the ig to help with
this feeling of lonliness and the ig mailing has helped me to overcome it.
i guess what i am saying is thank you for being as obsessed as i am.  thank
you for helping  me through this.  thank you for being out there and caring
about what the ig have to say, and thank you for talking about it.  i was
not a part of the list long enough to witness any bad feelings or flames,
so my memory will always be good.
i am also writing this to ask anyone who is interested in forwarding me any
interesting  messages concerning amy, to do so.  i have found in the past
couple of weeks, that ig fans are beautiful people.  i am glad to be a part
of that.
if anyone is interested in keeping me informed, please e-mail me prviately.
i appreciate it.
                                                                                                        love and all things indigo,
                                                                                                        jessica

okay so i'm guilty of not reading the majority of the posts on this list
but i'd really like to know who started these auctions i keep seeing, and
what happens to the proceeds from them?? i sure as hell hope that someone
is not getting really really rich over some people's interest in the indigo
girls...
i mean, if you went through all kinds of pain and sweat to make the music
we all love, i'd say get rich and enjoy, but what about those folks who are
selling various items?
sharoane the curious

good evening (morning!). well, i have to share about my wonderful evening.
i made a new friend tonight...she is from the mailing list. we sat and
talked for 3 hours just about the ig alone. it was most fun i have had in a
long time. i also had the same revelation as someone else on the list
tonight. indigo girls' fans are very beautiful people. i would also like to
take this time to thank all of you who share your insightful thoughts about
song lyrics and inform all of us when the girls will be on tv. :) i must
say that this is the best mailing list i have ever been on, and you all are
some of the coolest people on the planet. i know that amy and emily would
want us to share this great "indigo love" with everyone. as for you lucky
people on the west coast, enjoy your concerts! i'd love to hear about them!
i hope you all have a great weekend. peace.
christy :)

in a message dated 98-01-24 00:39:54 est, you write:

<< there is a fine line between being a fan in the regular sense of the word
and admiring the performers and their music, but i also think that many
people here take that fandom too far... >>

ok, i am usually a quiet listee, but i'm getting a little bit pissed at all of
this nonsense.  i guess you could call me "obsessed", i mean i call myself
obsessed, it's true, i love the indigo girls!!!!!!!!!!!! they are my life!!!!
i would be a completely different person without their music and their
inspiration and their example to society......they are my idols.  now what is
it to you???  why does everyone care so much about whether or not *i* or
anyone else for that matter is "unhealthily" obsessed with them?  it is
honestly none of anyone's business how much time i spend thinking about them,
or trying to meet them, or listening to their music, or how much money i spend
on things involving them!!!  i don't understand why anyone would *care*!!!  it
doesn't concern anyone but me, so everyone who is trying to lecture people and
tell them that they can't idolize their role models, mind your own damn
business, and stop lecturing!!!!  one more thing, i am personally offended by
these remarks.  it isn't *nice* to criticize someone's favorite anything.  it
hurts their *feelings*.  so criticizing my love for ig and saying it is
unhealthy and "weird" is offensive, and my feelings are hurt.
that's all i have to say.
~liz~
p.s. - i am not attacking anyone in particular.  just getting my feelings out.

hey kind friends,
okay- like everyone else in the rest of the country (and world) i'm
waiting for those fortunate ones who are attending the west coast concerts to
post their reviews asap please! set lists are hard to keep during a show- i
know- so just give us what you can remember, we especially love hearing about
the conversations with the crowd, the sign-holders, socs, who else ended up on
stage, the infamous 'fashion reports', how you waited by the bus after the
show and got emily's autograph, and what gifts you gave amy- we all know the
drill! okay, so we're jealously waiting....

'everybody's waiting for someone to come home...'~peace~leah

hey all you guitar wizards out there!!!
i need your help!!! i've been sitting here all night trying to learn the
rythym to joking!! i know that each chord is a full measure ( 4 beats)
right?? well, what's the strumming pattern??? all i've come up with is:

1 (e) (+) a 2 e + (a) 3 e + (a) (4) e + (a)

is that right??i don't think it is..urggh...it's pissing me off!! please
someone give me the correct timing!!!
it would really help me stop tearing my hair out!!

nem (who's really frustrated cuz she can't get the rythym right!!)

matt said:

<< with
amy herself pushing this kind of nonsense, who can blame her fans for
saying the same about amy? >>

great observation, matt!  my take on the issue was that the first poster,
apparently a long time listee, was noticing some extra adulation going on
around the list recently.  we have a bunch of new listees, many of them very
adoring new fans.  hence, some of them may be kind of, well, over adoring is
the only word i can think of.  but you know what?  it's no big deal to me.
who wouldn't love the ig and their great songs, and any young woman smart
enough to appreciate them is ok with me.  i hate to sound contentious, but
this whole debate is wearing kind of thin with me.  can we move on?  thanks

bonnie

in a message dated 98-01-22 22:33:14 est, holeman@cats.ucsc.edu writes:

<< i heard a story that there was this radio contest for high school students
where the winner would get indigo girls to play at their school. the
winner was someone in some state like alabama >>

hopefully i'll remember this right.  there was a songwriting contest which was
judged by a and e themselves.  the winner was an 18 yr. old student  in
alabama, and at one time her winning lyrics were posted to this site.  to me,
they sounded a lot like a young emily.  anyway, i don't think it was her
parents that made a fuss, but the town in general, who did not want a couple
of them evil lesbian chicks playing their little town.  they came anyway, adn
this girl got to spend some time with them.  we exchanged a few emails, and
she sounded really grounded and cool about being the big winner.  as i recall,
she has military parents who move a lot and it really meant a lot to her.
wish i'd saved the lyrics !  see ya

bonnie

hey there, folks.  i need your help.  my students are doing a benefit concert
for a homeless shelter in february.  some of them will be wearing red ribbons
in support of aids research, some will be wearing pink ribbons in support of
breast cancer research.  my question is :  what other color ribbons espouse
different causes?  i would like to give the kids( these are high school kids)
as many choices as possible and put it all in the program so that the audience
is aware of all the issues that need our support.  if you know of any site
that i might find out more about this, or if you are aware of any other color
ribbons - please email me.
thanks so much!!
betsy

i screwed up mailing it once and did reread it and yes, i did reread mel's
post and she did name names - my error - but i did want the list to see it -
sorry for the nigc

> > melsouth:  in response to your post wherein you termed me
>
> first of all i don't remember any reference to any one person in particular.
>
> and all other
> > listees of my age frame "young college lister newbie friends," "children,"
> > and "kiddies,"
>
> i disagree, if you use email in an unresponsible way - including persons
> names, sending jokes, not heeding a *serious* plea for a person's well
> being, not realizing that, yes, the wrong email sent to the wrong people is
> like a bullet in the head - you learn to take electronic forms of
> communication much more seriously - i don't necessarily even think you knew
> what you were doing wrong - i am certainly guilty of stupids things in my
> life - but you should try and learn from this experience - not attack
> someone for what was, really, an open plea for her own damn personal safety.
> i don't know if i can truly empathize with mel's situation, parts of it i do
> - but you gotta respect that an email can be much, much more damaging to
> people than snail mail - it is not a "fun new toy" which (and i'm not
> including you necessarily) most "young college kids (i've been in school for
> six years so i'm jaded)" do use as fun, years ago email, the net etc. was
> harder to get involved with - now there is much more information and much
> more opportunity for it to be misused.
>
>
>  i am genuinely sorry that some psychotic woman has f***ed your life up, but
> > you are misdirecting your anger at those of us who did *nothing*
>
> wrong - you used her name - you potentially put her in a risky situation -
> unknowingly to you -  she is only worried about her well being, she
> had a right to be much more more than angry, and actually i think she stated
> her reasons very well - you are taking all of this way too personal as an
> "personal attack" she's only looking out for herself, and, having had my
> life fucked up by people in different ways - i know all too well the
> precautions i take now as unconscious habit to never let those people be in
> any situation where they could do that to me again.
>
>
> and to some of us who (despite our *immaturity*) may even
> > be sympathetic to your plight.
>
> if you were truly sympathetic, why did you need to email your last post with
> the only function to publically attack her - i mean either
> you get "there is someone who will hurt me if they find me" or you don't -
> luckily the net does have a bunch of ways to stay anonymous. there is a
> listee named i-girl (the infamous..) who to this day i don't know her real
> name - having met her in person and sent hundreds of messages to - why are
> you so hell bent to not just take it all in stride - send a personal email
> saying "okay i understand" and get over it. i mean - there is enough press
> coverager of all the horrible things people do on the net - i do not want to
> see some person i like receiving email from become a victim of a something stupid
> - and totally avoidable. i have seen it happen on the 'net (not this list)
> before...
>
>
> this may seem like an attack on you jill, it isn't, just trying to educate or
> maybe show the *real* concerns people may have. i have probably done the
> same innocent mistake a million times, it is not until someone says "hey,
> i've got concerns about privacy for x reasons" does one need to think about
> it.
>
> so i'm sure i'll be flamed as too rude or upsetting or, god forbid, nigc,
> but i needed to say it - i was actually up last night worried about the
> whole issue...(just brought up a lot of memories)
>
> in any case-
> peace-
> mike r.
>
> > jill
> >
> > --
> > please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
> >     long signatures or flames to the list.
> > indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> >     http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
> >
>
>
> --kaa22480.885655146/gandalf.umcs.maine.edu--
>
>

hi everyone,
hope everyone is cooling down. there has been a tad bit of tension on the
list lately.

on to happier topics,
i'd really like to read the lyrics of the song that the winner wrote for the
high school concert. anyone have them or know where i can find them?
thanks in advance,
chrisy

hey kind friends,

as we all post on here from time to time there can be lots of
traffic and big digests.

please don't quote the entire message! just quote part of it
so we know what you're referring to. a single line or two.
if you can't edit out and mix your text with quoted text then
don't quote any of it.

more than 1/2 of the recent posts have been full quotings for
less than 5 new lines of text. some people are even quoting
the part at the end that says "don't quote too much to the
list". not only is it annoying but it does increase the workload
for all of us, even for the servers...a few extra seconds spent by
you before you send would save all of us a few extra seconds.
"the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."

c'mon people!!!!! let's do it! :)))

- rick

here is the address where you can read the lyrics that won the scholastic ig contest.
http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/articles/9705e.html

i'll be interested to see what everybody else thinks of them. i don't like them at all, but that's just me.
-lauren

here are the lyrics to ashley tillery's song. i don't particularly care for
it, it seems to melike particularly bad free-verse poetry..... but anyway,
here they are.

if i would have known that the stars always
died beautiful i would have run toward the rockets
and burnt the churches
fully developed in the possibility
that i would stand forever young
in the mechanics of night
with my eyes turning revolutions
stuttering apologies for a drunken urban accident.
inquiries in the daze ask
do you know how to crack spines
or build eyes?
it's the same as a city, the neon blood will bleed.
boy!!! i tell you to be safe bury the footprints of
your ancestry deep beneath the asphalt
and dance with yourself at dawn on those
pregnant praying disregarded streets.
in this madness you swear you won't be remembered
but do promise to revisit the ghost of your past
once before your rebirth.
mothers tend to overreact when their children dont
come home.
we must unite all the desperate words dangling on
the tips of our tongues into a mighty cry.
we can't allow the night to slip away
without bidding it adieu
without thanking it for sheltering us when we were our
most naked
and least colorful
this is true love for the shadows
i can't hide.
i will save my hour of insanity to be eaten
with the wine martyrs.
the sun has hold of me thus i pray the prayer
that posseses the eternal amen that i won't
suffer too long in the day.
why has the king sent me to slaughter?
we must recommune with all the dissidents of the hour
so as to better understand all these unsatisfactory ends.
it shall be written of us that we propagated
once more at ancient insane brothels, sacrificed
our spirits at dusty alters,
and knew it was our sisters song that haunted
us first when the sandman bit our swollen pride.
we must find something new in our space-aged
television raped lives to worship,
these imp gods aren't giving us the collective security
we desired. falling short of impossibility is the great
disintegration.
we aren't mad.
let's catch the setting sun for we have miles to go before the
road gives.
we must do this and move further
beyond that illusive rest invoking the
depths of the grave and letting out the dogs
all the while of our journey.
for the children who cry tears of satin
green we must for barefoot prophets turned servants
we must for the sake of our kidnapped youth we must
do these things and....
we're still moving
there are no stop signs in this chapel!
thus at its origin is a recycled end. where
are the lords of salvation here?
who will we look to now that
the myths of our yesterday
have faltered in their duties
it's apparent that the toy soldiers we
once sought now lay dismantled in
the sewers so certainly the
whores and vagabonds will inherit
the keys to the kingdom
while we who remain without
our promised thrones or feast
dig through the shelves to find
the perfection we live without.
in ths glory will raise the sunshine of
our anguish, the emergence
of a purer redemption and a cleaner virgin supplication.
how long have we suffered in this day?
we are now the cloth faced broken
reflections of an hour glass millenium, but
how well we don our floppy fitting dysfunction.
the meat of our brothers
now belongs to a more precious thing of
which we can't recognize
their bones are held resolved in wrinkled
hands and tangled roots. but we never engage in
ceremonies
of lament even though are tongues are bloodshot
from long goodbyes.
as it is i would love to jump backwards into the
tempest and die in
the right
hand of a manufactured deity, considering how sweetly
my affections
have
left me.
there is so much frustration in the confusion.
i've forgotten the chants who will bring me home.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
"it all comes," said rabbit sternly, "of eating too much.  i
thought," said rabbit, "only i didn't like to say anything,"
said rabbit, "that one of us was eating too much," said
rabbit, "and i knew it wasn't _me_," he said.  "well, well,
i shall go and fetch christopher robin."
********************************************************************

look... for goddess sake, i know some of you like to think of them as
penguins... but they aren't. they are human beings like all the rest of us.
love + respect their music, but don't put them up on a penguinestal... kay???
peace... kim, who like bonnie is getting tired of the whole goddess debate +
felt like stirring up more controversy of a *differnt* nature:-)
sigh... why oh why oh why could i not go to the seattle concert??? just
*look* at the silliness i am forced to tap...
******************************************************************************
some things i hold too tightly, some things i'll, some things i'll never touch
i'm wearing down the stones in my river, all my life i've painted with anger's
brush... amy ray
******************************************************************************

does it seem kind of long to anyone else? i dont know anything about song
writing, but it seemed to go on for quite a long time. i thought some of it
was good (alot of it, actually), but some of it seemed sorta forced. i commend
her for writing it and for feeling confident enough to enter in to a contest,
especially when the ig would be reading it.

michelle

in a message dated 98-01-24 11:11:03 est, ndygotiggr@aol.com writes:

>
>  here are the lyrics to ashley tillery's song.  i don't particularly care
for
>  it, it seems to melike particularly bad free-verse poetry..... but anyway,
>  here they are.
>

there has been too much crap on this list lately, and i am getting sick of it.
i couldn't hold back any longer...

to all the "goddess" debators, "young college newbie fans," and the "old,
mature fans": would you please stop filling up my mailbox with your idiotic
drivel? i mean, come on. please realize how many people subscribe to this
list, and be considerate to those of us who don't give a hoot about all of
this nonsense that's going on.

also realize that there may be less listers after the smoke clears because of
all this "flaming" and fighting and bickering. all i am asking is that we
respect each other, and most of all, respect the reason this list was created
in the first place. leave all your personal problems off the list. if you
don't like what someone says, email them privately. it's easy - their email
address appears several times throughout the course of a post, and sometimes
people even use their first name when they sign a post. all you do is address
an email to their address (not the list's address!) and type out what you
would like to say. (yes, i am getting sarcastic.)

flame me if you want...go ahead. but i have a feeling that there are quite a
few other people that feel the same way i do. all i am asking is that you
leave the list and mainly me out of your personal debates. i am a college age
student, new to the list, but certainly not new to the indigo girls. i don't
take any of these remarks that have been made personally, because i have my
own mind and my mind knows how it feels about the indigo girls.

i think my request is reasonable, and i said "please" many times (which is
good for me!) think about it - we joined this list for one reason: we all
love, like, and listen to the indigo girls. that means in some way, their
music has touched our lives to such a point that we decided to make contact
with other people who enjoyed them as well. it doesn't make sense for us to be
a list divided into different factions if we came together for one reason in
the first place.

it's getting pretty ridiculous and rather juvenile, my friends. step above the
idiocy and get back to things that we can all share in and enjoy.

my 2� worth, and a little more...
kasey miller

those are not song lyrics.  that is free verse poetry.  i would like to
see anybody try to add music to that and make it into any sort of song.
where's the chorus?  where's the rhyme?  where's the bridge?  where's the
verse?  arggh.  as a beginning songwriter who can write pretty good free
verse poetry but is having trouble actually writing songs, that annoys me.
anyway, just had to vent.  nigc : i was just on the phone with
ticketbastard for over an hour, finally reached somebody, and the closest
tickets left for the sarah mclachlan concert on march 27 were section d
balcony.  an hour after they went on sale!  i couldn't go to an outlet
because the concert is in richmond, quite a ways from here.  i hate
ticketmaster.  oh, and does anyone know if sarah ever signs stuff after
shows?  (e-mail me privately.)
                having an irritating day already,
                            stephanie

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
indigo@virginia.edu
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~slm4b/

don't some of her lyrics kind of remind you of ig songs, i noted a few
below...my only thought was that it was kinda long, no chorus(?), but not
bad otherwise and i say "you go girl" for doing it and winning!

i tell you to be safe bury the footprints of
> your ancestry deep beneath the asphalt
> and dance with yourself at dawn on those
> pregnant praying disregarded streets. (joking)
> in this madness you swear you won't be remembered
> but do promise to revisit the ghost of your past (ghost)
> once before your rebirth.
> mothers tend to overreact when their children dont( pod)
> come home.
> we must unite all the desperate words dangling on
> the tips of our tongues into a mighty cry.
> we can't allow the night to slip away (libm)
> without bidding it adieu
> without thanking it for sheltering us when we were our
> most naked
> and least colorful
> this is true love for the shadows
> i can't hide.
> i will save my hour of insanity to be eaten
> with the wine martyrs.
> the sun has hold of me thus i pray the prayer
> that posseses the eternal amen that i won't
> suffer too long in the day. (wf)

these are just a few of the examples, did anyone else notice this?

kc1

i know we've been thru tons of threads but i can't rememeber if we did
this one..
been thikin'
which of emilys' tunes would you like to hear amy cover and why (and
crazy game doesn't count..)
and which of amys tunes would you like emily to cover and why?

pooh
(countin the days till spring break)

hey all!
does anyone know how well a little tape recorder boots anyway? i don't have a
system that i could boot wiht, but i'd love to take a taperecorder if i knew
it would work.
thanx
jenny

>>>>>don't some of her lyrics kind of remind you of ig songs, i noted a few
below..<<<

i was thinking the same thing. it's almost as if she carefully selected images
and words from every ig song ever written and crafted them to make a song
they'd be guaranteed to choose. personally, i think it reads like one of those
computer-generated poems...and makes just about as much sense. but
congratulations to her, anyway, for winning the contest. :)

joanne<----out of lurking for no particular reason

opening act was vonda shepard with val____(i never quite caught his last
name).  two of the saxophone players from billy tipton memorial sax
quartet also played on a coupla songs.  as bon pointed out in an
earlier post, amy and emily were by themselves for this show.  amy played
acoustic the entire show while emily switched between electric and
acoustic.

amy called attention to this fact by saying "nothing behind me but
candles." there were many candles burning at the back of the stage behind
amy. on emily's side there were amps and a few candles. also on the amp
was four photographs--the first one was a cat, the third one looked to me
to be a big black dog lying on a big dog bed, and i think number two and
four had people in them. anyone in the front rows get a better look at
those photos?

i was jotting down the songs as they were being played. my list differs
from bon's in the location of hkf:

wood song
three hits
get out the map
thin line
cut it out
it's alright
hey kind friend
this train revised
love's recovery
shame on you
least complicated
crazy game
scooter boys
galileo
kid fears
--encore--
winthrop
shed your skin
closer to fine

emily seemed full of energy and looked like she was having a really good
time.  amy seemed more subdued at the start but after a bit she was
flashing that irresistable smile.  after they played love's recovery she
commented that she was concerned that something wasn't right with the
setlist.  she concluded that it (the setlist) was just messy. messy as in
hard to read.  it seems though that hkf was not originally on the list--
maybe adding it in was an attempt to "fix" the notquiteright part.

when amy got to the part in hkf that says "i was too late..." she rolled
her eyes and looked out at the audience, as if looking for our
acceptance/forgiveness. or maybe she was saying "i'm gonna get it
right". then she properly pronounced "spokane" and totally redeemed
herself to the washington crowd.

when it was time for shed your skin they brought out billy tipton and told
us they were going to go out on a limb and do the song acoustically.
emily added "we'll do anything these days!" they pulled it off too. the
saxes had played sys with the full band in july (saturday night) at the
pier-- their part added tremendously to the energy of the song.

okay, somebody else write about the things i've missed. i wanna hear
about friday's concert too.

oh yes... many, many "beautiful ladies walked right by" that night at the
paramount. hmmmm... maybe that's why my partner who isn't really an ig
fan always goes with me to their concerts!

elizabeth

hey y'all. i just wanted to tell you atlanta folks that the daemon band,
lift, will be performing at eddie's attic this thursday with michelle penn
at 8 pm. the tickets are $7.

christy :)

hkfs---

okay, the only content is the fact i'm planning on going to portland tonight.
(woohoo!)

but, in my spacecadetedness, i don't have the correct number of the woman i'm
supposed to be going from seattle to portland with.

argh!!!

if anne is on today, please call me. if anyone could connect me with anne,
please write me.

i'm now going to take deep, calming breaths, and look for my two remaining
brain cells. if anyone sees them, please lemme know.

--- rob

in a message dated 98-01-24 10:44:51 est, foxmuldr@indy.net writes:

<< full quotings for
less than 5 new lines of text. >>

ok i have to say this - why do y'all think it's been so hard for some of us to
pick up on this thing of not quoting the entire post?  it's only been drilled
into every post forever, with sherlyn making special pleas weekly.   and it's
so easy not to.  get a grip and post correctly, if i do say so myself!

bonnie

hi list,
first of all, i want to agree with everyone who has asked that we
drop this whole "goddess" thing.  can we *please* talk about something
else?!?  i, for one, am not even reading these messages anymore.  that's
how totally sick i am of hearing about it!  when i see a message with
"goddess" in the subject line it's going straight into the trash bin.
(and i betcha i'm not the only one.)  anyway, my point is this: for the
handful of you out there who are still keeping this worn-out thread going,
if you're still *that* enthralled with the whole goddess debate, would you
mind discussing it in private email only?  i really don't think it's of
interest to the list at large anymore.   talk about beating a dead horse!
let it go already!

also, *please* take note of sherlyn's request in the list signature.
i am not trying to be *bossy* or to make anyone mad, but come on!
how many times does this have to be said before people start to pay
attention to it? i am not on digest, but it still sucks to have to
wade through entire quoted messages when i've already read them once.
it's a horrible waste of my time (and everyone else's!).

i love this list, but can we try and straighten up a little? what ever
happened
to the "indigo classifieds" thread, and all the posts about ig license plates?
those were fun, (albeit short-lived) but this is not.

flame if you must, but i'm not trying to ruffle any feathers here.
i just want everyone to play nice. i know there are a lot of us out
here who would appreciate it.

all with hope :)
leigh ann

subj:         all this crap that's been on lately...(nigc?)
date:   98-01-24 11:32:45 est
from:   kaseym24@aol.com

>>>there has been too much crap on this list lately, and i am getting sick of
it.
i couldn't hold back any longer...

thank you!!!!!

c&r

i am recently new to the list...but the posts about the west coast shows
(i am in ohio) have got me bummin bad.  my favorite song...for personal
reasons...is "loves recovery" and in the 10 concerts that i have seen
sinse '91 ( yeah i am poor...but getting better, 2 in one month last
dec,!)  i have never heard them play that tune live.  i have heard most
everything else...and i mean everything...but i think that the 'gods' are
working against me not letting me hear that one live.  i just wanted to
share my misery and my funk with all you loving ig people and tell you
how lucky you are.  thanks for listening and peace in  the girls.

rhonda

p.s. it amazes me how many people write to the list asking people to
stop writing about stuff....just think about it...(pps. i am not
attacking anyone and i am sad that i have to add that disclaimer... :-]
)

hey y'all

it was cut it out into wish you were here by pink floyd.

kevin

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well, i didn't think i'd be the first to review the seattle show, but i'm
willing if no one else is.

first, we all need to thank lynn for organizing a terriffic shindigo. i think
at last count 40 of us had dinner together, most from washington but about
10-15 up from portland (myself included).

the theatre was about a mile from the restaurant, and we all headed over about
7:30. (note for future visitors of the paramount theatre -- it is on pike,
not pine, and sometimes, if you realize it isn't on pine, and try to take a
left to get to pike, you end up on the express lane of the highway going
north. trust me.)

danielle howle and the tantrums opened.  it was the first time i had seen her
with the band, and i was very impressed.  i missed the first few songs (see
the note above), but she played a couple slow country-ish tunes and then the
last few were louder and more up tempo.  i think she really won the crowd over
with her personality -- and the fact that before the last song she came
forward and took pictures of the crowd "so my friends will believe me."  she
even got a partiel standing ovation, whichwas nice.

ig came on about 20 minutes later and opened with welcome me.  the set was
very minimal -- just the two of them, a couple amps, a keyboard and about 15
candles.  overall the show was pretty subdued and technical.  i know that's
not a common word to describe a show, but i think it works.  the acoustics of
the paramount were terriffic, and it was as if a&e decided to take advantage
of that.  they did a lot slow songs, and only played electric guitar twice.

as far as crowd interaction, there were numerous, "you guys are great" and
"thanks for listenings."  they also taked about being really nervous playing
without the band, emily at one point saying they were "insecure as hell," and
amy saying she "kept my eyes closed all night last night -- tonight i'm going
to try and open them."  my favorite part was when they were getting ready to
play dead man's hill, they talked about how they hadn't played it in a really
long time and were practicing like crazy backstage.  they rambled on and on
and you could just tell that neither one wanted to play the song because they
weren't sure they knew it.  "we're bound to babble on," emily said.  they
played it, although they did mess it up the first try.

i'll do my best at a setlist, but be advised, it is no real order.

welcome me
shame on you
chicken man (with dave, who i think they like even if some of us don't)
shed your skin (done acoustic with two horns from the billy tipton quartet)
get out the map
romeo and juliet
it's alright (electric)
dgtgag
hey kind friend
crazy game (with horns)
hammer and nail
least complicated
dead man's hill
galileo
virginia woolf

**encore
winthrop (as a new englander i was thankful for this one)
cut it out into (and i'll show my ignorance here), the pink floyd song which
goes "so, (bet you wish you could?) tell..." someone can help me.
closer to fine

all in all it was a good show. not my favorite ever, but it was great to see
them again...

see y'all in portland tonight!

kevin s. minoli

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ok, i have to admit, i have been thinking of unsubscribing but i wanted to
wait until after the seattle show (which i attended) to hear some reaction and
have some conversation. hmmmm i guess that is selfish of me, but...oh well.
:)

last night's show was great! but i do have a few questions.

1.  i saw ig a few years back and they had a band called big fish (i think) as
the opening act.  i thought they were much better than danielle (though she
was trippy, that's for sure).  i was just wondering if anyone knows what
happened to big fish?

2.  a couple times in the show amy and emily mentioned how nervous they were
or how insecure they were.  interesting, i thought.  they have been a hit for
almost 10 years now and are still insecure and nervous on stage?  does anyone
have a take on this, except for the obvious...they were without the support of
their band.

just one more thing.  the friday show was similar to the way the thursday show
sounded, in that emily lightened up and showed her smile after about two
songs.  amy, on the other hand, seemed to be having fun but in a much more
passionate sort of way.  not that emily wasn't passionate, but amy was
intense.  did the rest of you notice that?

emily also mentioned that maybe they were playing for too long. they really
don't have an idea how long they've been up there and were wondering if the
crowd was getting bored. hmmmm??

ok...maybe that can start up some conversation about the show.

btw...set list? well, i remember the *last* song they played (hhahah we know
which song they end every show with).

i know they played: chickenman, hkf, get out the map, shame on you, don't
give that girl a gun, cut it out, least complicated, galileo, virginia woolf,
winthrop

oh...and more, i am sure. those are the ones i can remember.

linda

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however, my highlight was hearing amy sing romeo and juliet. it is a =
song i have wanted to hear them do live and now i finally have. just =
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at 01:26 am 1/24/98 est, you wrote:
>in a message dated 98-01-24 00:39:54 est, you write:
>
><< there is a fine line between being a fan in the regular sense of the word
> and admiring the performers and their music, but i also think that many
> people here take that fandom too far... >>
>
>ok, i am usually a quiet listee, but i'm getting a little bit pissed at
all of
>this nonsense.  i guess you could call me "obsessed", i mean i call myself
>obsessed, it's true, i love the indigo girls!!!!!!!!!!!! they are my life!!!!
>i would be a completely different person without their music and their
>inspiration and their example to society......they are my idols.  now what is
>it to you???  why does everyone care so much about whether or not *i* or
>anyone else for that matter is "unhealthily" obsessed with them?  it is
>honestly none of anyone's business how much time i spend thinking about them,
>or trying to meet them, or listening to their music, or how much money i
spend
>on things involving them!!!  i don't understand why anyone would *care*!!!
it
>doesn't concern anyone but me, so everyone who is trying to lecture people
and
>tell them that they can't idolize their role models, mind your own damn
>business, and stop lecturing!!!!  one more thing, i am personally offended by
>these remarks.  it isn't *nice* to criticize someone's favorite anything.  it
>hurts their *feelings*.  so criticizing my love for ig and saying it is
>unhealthy and "weird" is offensive, and my feelings are hurt.
>that's all i have to say.
>~liz~
>p.s. - i am not attacking anyone in particular.  just getting my feelings
out.
>

you go girl! you read my mind. that's exactly what i was going to say.
thanx for saving me the time!

pax, celeste

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>
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pooh asked which amy tunes we'd like to hear emily cover and which emily
tunes we'd like to hear amy cover. i hadn't thought of this before.

i think it would be neat to hear emily do blood and fire. i love amy's passion
with the song, but imagine what it might sound like with a little of emily's
soul. kind of along the lines of burn all the letters or midnight train to
georgia.

it would also be cool to hear amy do tgwtwotwihh, but in emily's sweet
style. it's about in the range that amy sings, but her voice tends to have a
richer sound. the song already has the tendancy to make me weak in the
knees, and with amy's voice....wow!

:)
anna

"i base my fashion taste on what doesn't itch." -gilda radner
http://narnia.emu.edu/students/creechal/creechal.htm

yup, it does sound like a young emily wrote it...i have absolutely no idea
what it's about!

pax, celeste

at 11:27 am 1/24/98 -0600, you wrote:
>i know we've been thru tons of threads but i can't rememeber if we did
>this one..
>been thikin'
>which of emilys' tunes would you like to hear amy cover and why (and
>crazy game doesn't count..)
>and which of amys tunes would you like emily to cover and why?
>
>pooh
>(countin the days till spring break)
>

this is probably an old idea, but i think it would be interesting for them
to switch parts on ctf...
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at 12:32 pm 1/24/98 -0800, you wrote:
>at 01:26 am 1/24/98 est, you wrote:
>>in a message dated 98-01-24 00:39:54 est, you write:
>>

>
>you go girl! you read my mind. that's exactly what i was going to say.
>thanx for saving me the time!
>
>pax, celeste
>
sorry for posting the whole message, but i was referring to all of it

pax, celeste
>
>>--
>>please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
>>       long signatures or flames to the list.
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>>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>>
>>
>
>--
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>indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
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please remove me from the indigo-girls mailing list asap.

aarrgg! i've been waiting forever to get that bad pic of amy at nye! but i
can't get it!! when can i?? does anybody know for sure?? :(

well, just thought i'd share that with y'all...

pax, celeste

p.s. forgive me for being ignorant, but what is tgwtwotwihh? hmmmm...

a'ight people's...i've got a couple of questions about some of my
bootlegs. :) i'm cleanin' house, tryin' to get them all in order, ya'
know...so i'll know all o' the correct dates and stuff.
#1 soooo...i've seen it somewhere before, but i'm needing the date
for "live at the purple parrot."

#2 when miss carrie hamblen so graciously copied mt. stage for me,
she     put 6 songs entitled "shades of indigo" on side b.  now, i've
heard     of this several times, but have never bothered to ask what it
is.       what's the date?!  where was it recorded?!  are these just
snippets     of a larger compilation?!  any help would be appreciated.
:)

just finished listening to the 2/10/93 eddie's attic show for the first
time. i had ta' laugh when amy said "shit" in the middle of "land of
canaan" cuz she broke her string. damn baby...she's so cool. :)

-bethany :)
who should be indiana today, but isn't. :(

hey! i'm new to the list and am looking for old ig stuff...especially
"color me grey" and "tuesday's children"...if anyone's interested in
trading, i have limited ig stuff, but ihave lots of ani difranco, some
jewel, dar williams, melissa etheridge...thanks!! hope to hear frmo
you...have a nice day :)

kim
kas28024@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/5420

on sat, 24 jan 1998, celeste wrote:
> p.s. forgive me for being ignorant, but what is tgwtwotwihh? hmmmm...

an out-of-proportions acronym, the girl with the weight of the world in
her hands... that title deserves an award or sumpin (;p)

july ;)

someone said something a while back about an e-mail address for russell
carter? could someone send it to me?

thanks,
adam

ok this is beginning to be a weekly routine...

does anyone have a boot of the 10/21/97 ig show at mary washington college in
fredricksburg, va?

please please please

heather
who is all dressed up in standard lesbian issue ready to go raise a ruckus at
the company winter party :)

hey kids!

i'm back, did y'all miss me? yep, i thought so.

amyray, i'll leave the reviews to other folks and just say both nights
rocked! vonda shepherd: not exactly my cup of tea, but she was fine.
daniele howle kicked my patootie all over the theater. commander lynn, you
are da bomb! you are the ma'am! thanks for the tix. list meet was awesome
too.

you folks from seattle who were in line with me in missoula (and are going
to san fran to see the girls), nice to meet you gals finally!
unfortunately, your names escape me. :0( shelly and carol? that might be
two of them. amyray, nice to see you gals again. maybe i'll run into you
again sometime.

all things ig,
amy m.

**************************************************************************************

"we are not empty-headed celebrities."
            -the goddess, amy ray
"women together is a powerful thing. especially when you join it with
music."
            -the goddess, emily saliers
"amy is the stuff fantasies are made of, emily is the stuff romantics
yearn for."
            -the goddess, jill certo

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        sexxxyred6@aol.com, manofebony@aol.com, thundersb@aol.com,
        kdogsmith@aol.com, b96gregm@aol.com, puffy122@aol.com, jaymane@aol.com,
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subject: fwd: this is urgent!!!!!  do not delete! if you desire 1,000 and win 98....re...
date: fri, 23 jan 1998 05:35:47 est
organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
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subject: this is urgent!!!!!  do not delete! if you desire 1,000 and win
        98....read on!
to: mamsler@cosmoaccess.net, leeb_2259@yahoo.com, badchill@webtv.net,
        cdclean@shore.intercom.net, de1ta@aol.com, gagirl1@yahoo.com,
        cn4440@coastalnet.com, dealm@cleaf.com, tntmac3537@aol.com,
        stephin@tfs.net, john.olmstead@mci2000.com, ronstic@america.com,
        woodthings@dol.net, faithful_god@yahoo.com, cooleo17@mailexcite.com,
        lisa.sweeney@mailexcite.com, snopydog4u@aol.com, lost_12@hotmail.com,
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don't know if this is legit, but scroll to very end and judge for yourselves.

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from: barbara sweeney <b_sweeney@yahoo.com>
subject: this is urgent!!!!!  do not delete! if you desire 1,000 and win
        98....read on!
to: mamsler@cosmoaccess.net, leeb_2259@yahoo.com, badchill@webtv.net,
        cdclean@shore.intercom.net, de1ta@aol.com, gagirl1@yahoo.com,
        cn4440@coastalnet.com, dealm@cleaf.com, tntmac3537@aol.com,
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        keck@10cc.com, snake10in@hotmail.com, akcdc@olypen.com,
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i pray the lord is touching us all in this and that this is not a wim!
please scroll past names and read letter from bill gates (microsoft)
thank you god bless!
barb
do not delete! please take 1 min. to read!!!!!!!

---deb cann <cann4@erols.com> wrote:
>
> this is probably a hoax, but what the hell......
>
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> attachment part 2 message/rfc822
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>
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>
> oh, hell....why not...not out anything!!!!!!! hehehe!!!!
> ----original message follows----
> >from moose2@northernnet.com wed jan 21 12:01:56 1998
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> (cst)
> message-id: <34c65458.581a@northernnet.com>
> date: wed, 21 jan 1998 14:02:32 -0600
> from: dave prestidge <moose2@northernnet.com>
> x-mailer: mozilla 2.01kit (win95; u)
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wed,
> 21 jan 1998 13:16:15 -0500
> message-id: <2.2.32.19980121174432.006c538c@207.60.238.2>
> x-sender: mbarber@207.60.238.2
> x-mailer: windows eudora pro version 2.2 (32)
> mime-version: 1.0
> date: wed, 21 jan 1998 12:44:32 -0500
> to: moose2@northernnet.com
> from: rustyvec <rustyvec@aol.com> (by way of meghan barber
> <mbarber@chealth.com>)
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
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>
> content-id: <0_885399404@inet_out.mail.aol.com.1>
> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> ted and meg,
>
> no idea if this is legit or not (scroll to very bottom to bill gates
> message)
> but i figure no harm done.
>
> rusty
> content-id: <0_885399404@inet_out.mail.aol.com.2>
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>         with esmtp id taa23871 for <rustyvec@aol.com>;
>         tue, 20 jan 1998 19:47:26 -0500 (est)
> from: helena_cerna@spe.sony.com
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> x-lotus-fromdomain: spe
> to: man1@bancosantander.es, rustyvec@aol.com, rbrewer@idcresearch.com,
>         briglpr@tvswjar.nbc.com, bunnellt@espn.com,
dolgenta@mattel.com,
>         maria@mci.net, huddle@igpp.ucla.edu,
> kcoppock@notes.cc.bellcore.com,
>         lhb2e@server1.mail.virginia.edu, meredith6@mailcity.com,
>         melville@eliassen.com, rmyers@isx.com,
> nealja.dfps.usafa@usafa.af.mil,
>         jaime_rodriguez@ccsi.canon.com, tact@pdq.net
> message-id: <88256593.0003e9a6.00@int.spe.sony.com>
> date: tue, 20 jan 1998 16:44:43 -0800
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> content-transfer-encoding: 7bit
>
>
>
> ---------------------- forwarded by helena cerna/la/spe on 01/20/98
> 04:41
> pm ---------------------------
>
>
> eddie rivera
> 01/20/98 04:02 pm
>
> to:   don kirby/la/spe@spe, larry hess/la/spe@spe, sandra
>       hawthorne/la/spe@spe, anthony hoover/la/spe@spe,
>       thetiger3@aol.com@internet, erangels@aol.com@internet, roger
>       ugalde/la/spe@spe, rex tegelaar/la/spe@spe, chris
> kirby/la/spe@spe,
>       facepdr@aol.com@internet, james roquemore/la/spe@spe, macy
>       andrews/la/spe@spe, helena cerna/la/spe@spe
> cc:
> subject:  fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
>
> this is long, but advance to the end for a surprise.
> ---------------------- forwarded by eddie rivera/la/spe on 01/20/98
> 03:55
> pm ---------------------------
>
>
> tjust007@aol.com on 01/20/98 02:54:47 pm
>
> to:   aol.com (see end of body)
> cc:    (bcc: eddie rivera/la/spe)
> subject:  fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: boysr4me1 <boysr4me1@aol.com>
> return-path: <boysr4me1@aol.com>
> to: tjust007@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: tue, 20 jan 1998 15:34:53 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part1_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: sagearts <sagearts@aol.com>
> return-path: <sagearts@aol.com>
> to: lukaszg@aol.com, dblpriest@aol.com, jele2@aol.com,
nsudemon@aol.com,
> wmarci1879@aol.com, happycaboy@aol.com, aussie2b@aol.com,
> boysr4me1@aol.com, luv2photo1@aol.com, hepjester@aol.com,
> mewtiful@aol.com, ourgr8@aol.com, pxcm15@aol.com, lucidkid@aol.com,
> ppsidrnkr@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: tue, 20 jan 1998 13:11:24 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part2_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
> what the heck?
>
>
>
> from: caliboy650 <caliboy650@aol.com>
> return-path: <caliboy650@aol.com>
> to: knarfem@aol.com
> cc: ry18ca@aol.com, totall247@aol.com, yng21cadj@aol.com,
> eweric@aol.com,
> topaz017@aol.com, joeyjr77@aol.com, shirtman69@aol.com,
> aldur253@aol.com,
> acidwash@aol.com, nicj79@aol.com, jeyour@aol.com, sjvalmont@aol.com,
> scott31270@aol.com, mcastro567@aol.com, cagay@aol.com,
> homepoulet@aol.com,
> robdawg17@aol.com, nephrin@aol.com, xennadir@aol.com,
> psibri10@aol.com,
> watergoer@aol.com, letenant@aol.com, wcboy19@aol.com,
sam318@aol.com,
> sfpolo18@aol.com, johnteen0@aol.com, orionbbs@aol.com,
> spyder22@aol.com,
> eliahs1@aol.com, lulabel712@aol.com, sagent16@aol.com,
odagboy@aol.com,
> sprbanana@aol.com, ryanpboyle@aol.com,   jcdominic@aol.com,
> reveurinca@aol.com, sagearts@aol.com,    yngcakid@aol.com,
> jesterrulz@aol.com, boydj76@aol.com, riptboy@aol.com,
glsfodag@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: mon, 19 jan 1998 00:41:25 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part3_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: zvashvz <zvashvz@aol.com>
> return-path: <zvashvz@aol.com>
> to: brvheart24@aol.com, ba2463@aol.com, dopey2481@aol.com,
> smctds637@aol.com,  kjs383@aol.com, hugerod10@aol.com,
> privgarden@aol.com,
> lttleprnce@aol.com, zapthacat@aol.com, astropupy8@aol.com,
> wrapj@aol.com,
> daofiend13@aol.com, phantuum@aol.com, malechaos@aol.com,
> caliboy650@aol.com, boyraverca@aol.com, gynephobic@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: sun, 18 jan 1998 21:58:49 est
> organization: aol (,http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part4_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
> what the hell... why not
>
>
>
> from: goobiebear <goobiebear@aol.com>
> return-path: <goobiebear@aol.com>
> to: zvashvz@aol.com, legos777@aol.com, xvtoolvx@aol.com,
melon@aol.com,
> willymoose@aol.com, sirludwig1@aol.com, shpoffools@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: sun, 18 jan 1998 20:08:57 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part5_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: ta403bb <ta403bb@aol.com>
> return-path: <ta403bb@aol.com>
> to: goobiebear@aol.com, t500block@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: sat, 17 jan 1998 19:25:32 est
> organization: aol (:http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part6_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: righton23 <righton23@aol.com>
> return-path: <righton23@aol.com>
> to: ta403bb@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: sat, 17 jan 1998 18:23:24 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part7_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: cateys4u <cateys4u@aol.com>
> return-path: <cateys4u@aol.com>
> to: righton23@aol.com, joravin@aol.com, cancerisig@aol.com,
> gliterwolf@aol.com, di21355@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: sat, 17 jan 1998 15:00:32 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part8_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: prsmech53 <prsmech53@aol.com>
> return-path: <prsmech53@aol.com>
> to: cateys4u@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: fri, 16 jan 1998 17:46:53 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;     boundary="part9_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: lin jaguar <linjaguar@aol.com>
> return-path: <linjaguar@aol.com>
> to: gglover188@aol.com, jwscpd8@aol.com, prsmech53@aol.com,
> tsand10416@aol.com, billfwtx@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: fri, 16 jan 1998 17:45:15 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="part10_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
> hey there,,,,not sure if this is true but what the ,,,,, !!!!
>
>
>
> from: sftbll den <sftbllden@aol.com>
> return-path: <sftbllden@aol.com>
> to: goose277@aol.com, mzdwlfce@aol.com, rubin@nevada.edu
> cc: tripleapsr@aol.com, katpurrs@hurricane.net, talkjoan@deltanet.com,
> marilyn728@aol.com, linjaguar@aol.com, ladyd54@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: fri, 16 jan 1998 16:37:10 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="part11_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
> important
>
>
>
> from: anninvegas <anninvegas@aol.com>
> return-path: <anninvegas@aol.com>
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: fri, 16 jan 1998 15:42:04 est
> organization: aol (http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="part12_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
> is this a joke????
>
>
>
> from: dimun24k <dimun24k@aol.com>
> return-path: <dimun24k@aol.com>
> to: blkbrd22@aol.com, user773799@aol.com, bluvelvit6@aol.com,
> blueski585@aol.com, beccadoooo@aol.com, slknstl@aol.com,
nsvle@aol.com,
> jandr13440@aol.com, anninvegas@aol.com, solobychc@aol.com,
> bchbunny2@aol.com,  g1o2o3d41@aol.com, a1m2c31@aol.com,
> sxyeyes3@aol.com,
> donrymom@aol.com,   wewillsea@aol.com, amylmock@aol.com
> subject: fwd: please read! youll be glad you did!
> date: fri, 16 jan 1998 12:19:21 est
> organization: aol (,http://www.aol.com)
> mime-version: 1.0
> content-type: multipart/mixed;
boundary="part13_885336888_boundary"
>
>
>
>
>
>
> from: frmultr <frmultr@aol.com>
> return-path: <frmultr@aol.com>
> to: dimun24k@aol.com, nsolution@aol.com, mpp1970@aol.com,
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hey. so.  i was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on the meaning of
least complicated.  i read in some interview and emily said that it was
about repeating patterns or something which i didn't get.  i had to
agree with amy when she said that it had no meaning for her..  it's a
really great song and i love it was listening and just wondering what it
was about.
also.  i got a used copy of sweet relief two today which was really cool
cuz it's the first time in my life that i've found something indigo that
almost sorta rare.  is it?  prolly not but still.
also.  could people please(underlined) stop sending chain letters to teh
list or at least erase the thousands of forward thingys.  thanks.
love, julia

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last minute changes...  anyone interested in buying two general
admission for tuesday's san francisco show?  prefer buying from
someone who can sell me one monday ticket.  thanks,  -rosemary

okay, folks.

1) the goddess thing - take it to private email.

2) the other thing (the one that originated with bethany and
mel) - please, take it to private email.

3) please don't post too much nigc to the list. it's getting
way, *way* out of hand. this is an indigo girls list, after
all.

4) please (how many times do i have to say this?), don't quote
other people's entire messages when replying to the list. if
you're a bounce subscriber you might want to switch to digest
for a few days to see how annoying this can be.

5) i'm declaring another arbitrary song of the week. um...
(pulling out a cd at random)... "world falls".

thanks,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

hi y'all
i have a real quick question...remember that lil' video at
musiccentral.msn.com/weeklyfeatures/article/753/1 ?? well, i finally
made my way over there to see the video. i didn't get any sound...is
there supposed to be? or is my computer just messing with me?! thanks
for your help!

becca

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alrightie, i was noting that in the new album put out be sonia (of df
fame), she thanks "amy ray", and then later thanks "emily and amy". i
thought that was odd to have amy twice, but the more amy the better if
you ask me! :) also she thanked michelle malone, and places like eddie's
attic and b-more's very own 8x10...where i can't see her this sunday!! :(
anyhoo, just thought i'd share...

love,
carolyn

***********************************
your choices are infinite
your deeds are what measure you...
this is evolution we are the solution
be in revolution we are evolution
~~ sonia, "is this evolution"

world falls is definitely one of my favorite amy songs.  after listening
to it gazing out the bus window at the beauty of the world on my tour of
europe last summer, i fell in love.  i'm really anal so the fact that she
says "i wish i was a nomad..." instead of "i wish i were"  annoys me, but
i got over it.  and she captures my sentiments perfectly when she says
"...scared the world was too much for me."  my sejarez hasn't appeared to
me in a dream yet to comfort me, but someday he'll come.  anyway.
                                     stephanie

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
indigo@virginia.edu
http://faraday.clas.virginia.edu/~slm4b/

hey y'all. i know that most of you live out of town (atlanta), so i thought
i'd share this with you. i ate dinner at the flying biscuit cafe tonight. i
must say, the place was delicious. if you ever come to town (business trip
or indigo girls pilgrimage), i highly recommend going there (try the
biscuits!!). it's not too expensive ($20 for two people) and will appeal to
all vegetarians! a cute little picture of emily and the other owners hangs
on the wall. the waiter told us that jimmy carter was there last week and
kd lang showed up a couple of months ago. em makes regular stops there too!
needless to say, we left him a good tip!! :) just thought i'd share. enjoy
the rest of your weekend.
christy :)

hey y'all!!!!!!! :o) i'm working on my webpage (can we say upgrade for 1998,
or, tigger is bored with it!!!!!!!!!!)

what i need is for everyone to send me links to their pages!!!!!!!!!!! if you
have an ig site, i want to link to it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! make sure you send them
to this address (igtigger@aol.com) and not my regular address (ndygotiggr).

thanks y'all!!!!!!!!!!! :o)

peace, harmony, and indigo,

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  ~novitiate of suzanneglassism
   ~president, grlchasr26 fan club
***********************************************************************
"and he said, you can't buy anything.  and i said well why not?
and he said, cause you're in my front yard!
boy did i feel as white as the snow!"
-amy ray
***********************************************************************

alright, this is probably old news ta' most of you, but tonight i
stumbled upon a picture of a little 2 year old amy (i *think* she was 2
anyhoo!) in a cowboy outfit (hat and all) :)  oh my god, can we say
adorable?!  i found it in one of *theee* best photo sites i've ever
encoutered.  :)  very cute.
i'll give y'all the site address so you can have as much fun as me. :)

http://members.tripod.com/~dyke/singalong.html

a'ight...have fun, and don't drool too much (oops, did *i* say that?! :)

-bethany :)

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alright, i consider me a definite lurker, i like to sit back and listen to
everyone and the silly goddess debate and wondering what ever happened to the
bumper sticker idea and all that, and im sorry to have to flame you brigusc,
but *why* did you send this to the indigo girls list? the purpose of this
list, as im sure sherlyn and countless others would remind you, is for ig
chat, and other semisemi related nigc, *certainly* not chain letters or the
like. again, sorry to flame, but god, please.

take cares,
tara.

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"mom, would you please pass the gravy to a homosexual?" she passed it to my
father. a terrible scene followed."
~bob smith, member of the comedy group funny gay males
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just thought i'd take a stab at asking the list for help...i am a college
freshman looking for a summer internship/culturally enriching
activity...preferably paid, but i am considering non-profit ones,
too...basically anything interesting.
anyway, the thought was thrown out when talking to my mother that, perhaps,
by some glorious twist of fate, i could maybe follow the girls around this
summer and help their tour in some way. crazy? probably, but if it is
possible, i know someone on here will know...also, if there are any
possibilities of the same sort with dar, sarah (ie lilith), or the like,
can ya let me know?
there are so many things out there for me to do, but i want something of
meaning that will make this summer the most memorable experience of my
life...high hopes, but gotta aim high in life sometimes...

thanks

alisa

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but if the vision was true and mighty,
as i know, it is true and mighty yet;
for such things are of the spirit,
and it is in the darkness of their eyes
that men get lost.
-black elk

agreenb1@swarthmore.edu

this has to be one of my all-time favorite songs......... it's
beautiful........

it feels to me like a song about a person who feels very responsible about
things like activism, feels maybe like she has a lot of weight on her
shoulders. i like the sejarez part, the encouragement of a mentor that seems
to be so badly needed by the narrator...

boy, that was badly organized. oh, well, it's a great song. and i must say,
i think amy sounds particularly chugalicious when she sings "this worrrrrrld
falls on meeeeeeeee"

peace, harmony, and indigo,

i think this is a great song--not *necessarily* one of my favorites, but
still a good one!!  i did find one touch of humor in it, in light of the
whole "hale-bopp" incidents.  did anyone else stop to think about the line,
"and a key to heaven's gate?"  i laughed so hard when i heard that line
right after the whole heaven's gate/do thing!  beth and i had a running
joke that am and em were the secret inspiration for the whole operation!
just kidding of course!! ;)

on a more serious note, i really like what emily said about the song in the
liner notes for 1200 curfews. "for the beauty of the earth . . ." i like
the way she thinks about things and the way she expresses herself--it
reminds me of the way i think sometimes. way to flatter myself, huh? :)

anyway, just my $1.50 :)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
shannon mast
bluffton college

*i love mh!*

"no way construction of this tricky plan was made by other than a greater
hand. . .but we get to have some answers when we reach the other side. the
prize is always worth the rocky ride."
-e. saliers
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

world falls is one of the most beautiful songs i have ever heard. "all this
beauty just keeps shaking me" and even the title line "this world falls on me"
both have so much truth in them. next semester in school, my english class
"songs of the open road" will be going on a road trip. on the last day of the
road trip i will play this song for the group . . i can't wait for them to
hear it. there is not much else i can say except that this song, like many
other indigo songs, plays inside of me.

another thought, does anybody have any idea how many people are on this
mailing list?

also, i vote that the next song of the week is airplane. is this song just a
song about her being in an airplane away from home, or is it about something
more-- her relationship with god? does anybody know anything about either of
the grrls religious lives? they have so many religious and biblical references
. .
thanx y'all
jenny

ps any ideas for signs? i'm going to a concert in 7 days . . 7th row! and i
want to make it memerable.

hi, everyone.  i'm back.  thanks to all you wonderful people who helped me
figure out a way to stay on this list without pissing anyone in my house
off for having so many messages.  having that said...
world falls was my anthem this summer.  i was moving to arizona.  planning
to work in the grand canyon.  i had just come out.  the world was my oyster
and i felt like a grain of sand.  i was so excited about what the world had
in store for me and what i could do for it in return.
to me, this song is about someone realizing that there is a whole world out
there.  things go beyond our own little neck of the woods.  and once that
realization is made, it is our duty to explore the oyster and be the sand.
storytime:
one day i was driving with my best friend listening to nis and the song
came on.  i started singing and julie started harmonizing with me.  when
the song was over, we both looked at each other and said, "wow.  did we
just do that?  we sounded really good!"  neither of us had heard each other
sing before.  i mean, we had heard noises uttered from the other's mouth
that were never meant to be heard.  but that's not what this was, we were
singing!
i only had one gripe with singing this song with julie: she never noticed
that when amy says "don't bury me" emily says "carry me."  so now when i
meet a new friend i use world falls as my test.  if they sing "carry me"  i
know that we are going to get along.

dayuummmm!!!  i didn't know a song could be that long!   it was beautiful
sounding....but didn't make a bit of sense to me.  and i took poetry as a
class once!  oh well....must've been cool to have the girls play at her h.s.
:)

~mizzz*

major request.
that is my best friend's favorite song of all time. did anyone boot this?????
i am willing to trade boots, my first-born child, my house, etc.
i want this!!!
thanks everyone,
carrie

hi all,
       i'm thinking that this might be my last post because of the crap
i've been getting from some of you...on the list and not in private, no
less.  i can't believe the level of maturity that this list has sunk to
since i first subscribed two years ago.
       i do apologize to sheralyn and the others who asked kindly for us to
lay off the quotes...i'm using a new email client and i'm confused still
and i didn't even mean to send some of the email to the list that i did.
it was meant to go private and i'm sorry.  i certainly do know better and
again, i didn't mean to. i'm the one who complains about crashing
accounts....this also explains the plethora of "goddess" posts!  it was an
accident.
       i don't appreciate some of you trying to censor me when i posted in
the first place about taking obsession too far.  if it bothers you, then
figure out why.  do you fit the description of an overly obsessed fan??  i
didn't mean to single anyone out and was trying to be general, but if you
thought i meant you then maybe you do have a problem that needs to be
addressed.
   as for asking about the auctions, i was curious because unlike a few of
you on here, i have more things to do than sit and read all these posts all
day.  i usually only read the few that catch my eye, because after two
years, the threads repeat themselves over and over.  how many times do you
think we've done song of the day or the info about amy and emily that is no
longer new to me but to the new listers?? i don't mind that people are
discovering ig in their glory for the first time, but i don't have to read
the posts and the threads again and again.
       this list used to be fun and intelligent. now all i see is a bunch
of folks with nothing better to do than attack eachother and criticize any
idea that they didn't come up with first.  sheesh.
         sharoane

hey, now, is $25 good for uptown girls? what exactly is it? an import?
thanks ,
carol

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hi all,

i think the person i agreed to sell my extra san francisco tickets to is going
to back out of the deal. i have two extra tickets for each show. if you are
interested please email me asap and i'll send you all the pertinent info.

thanks,

janet

at 09:14 pm 1/24/98 -0500, steph wrote:
>world falls is definitely one of my favorite amy songs... i'm really anal
so the fact that she says "i wish i was a nomad..." instead of "i wish i
were" annoys me, but
>i got over it.

        first, stephanie and sherlyn thanks for the intro to world falls
discussion :)  i've enjoyed everyone's different interpretations of ig
songs, but never had much to contribute. however, this song has a lot of
meaning to me.
        backing up  - (i'm really bad at sentence construction, so please
don't flame me :)  does the verb apply to the primary subject or to the
secondary subject?  i thought it was the primary, so "i" corresponds with
"was" whether "nomad" is singular or plural.  come on you english majors!!
;)  or steph, is it the tense you object too?

my interpretation of world falls goes as follows~

        i'm coming home with a stone strapped onto my back~
        (i have a lot of heavy burdens in my life and i need help from my
family, friends and sojourners in this lifetime)
        i'm coming home with a burning hope turning all my blues to black~
        (i want to be healed, accepted and forgiven. i want to be loved!)
        i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone~
        (i feel a spiritual presence that can fulfill my wishes!)
        a ghost of comfort, angel's breath - to keep this life inside my chest~
        (i can't explain it, but there is something special about my
existence...i don't want to die, i want to live!)
        this world falls on me with hopes of immortality~
        (i want to be alive, to experience things; to be happy and to be sad)
        everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me~
        (the wonderous things of this lifetime are overwhelming... natural
geological beauty, the incredible selfless acts of others, my intense
emotional awareness, my feelings of connection to this world...)
        i woke up in the middle of a dream, scared the world was too much
for me~
        (sometimes i feel unworthy for this existence...what am *i* supposed
to do, who am *i*? ... i feel like giving up hope)
        sejarez said, "don't let go, just plant the seeds and watch them grow"~
        (don't give up on your life.  seize the moment - this may be your
only chance!  do what your heart tells you and you won't be sorry!)
        i've slept in rainy canyon lands, cold drenched to my skin~
        (i've been turned out, depressed, immobile....)
        i always wake to find a face to calm these troubled lands~
        (no matter how bad my troubles are, i can see hope and beauty in
this existence.)
        ...now i'm running to the end of the earth and i'm swimming to the
edge of the sea~
        (i'll do whatever it takes to reach my potential :)
        ... and i'm laughing, i'm under starry skies~
        (cast your stones at me, i will not be hurt; i understand what's
important in this lifetime!)
        this world was meant for me~
        don't bury me, carry me~
        (help me along with this journey, don't make it more difficult.)
        i wish i was a nomad, an indian or a saint~
        (life's not easy...i wish it were!  i must concentrate on my
spiritual awareness.)
        give me walking shoes, feathered arms and a key to heaven's gate~
        (i want to live out the mysteries of life... please grant me
providence!)

next~
tony :)

hi y'all!
i have one final boot request (for the week, anyway!).  does anyone have a
recording of chiapas bound anywhere?  i'd looooooooooooove to hear it.  i
have a small boot collection (and i mean really small) and i am willing to
trade or send a tape and a postage paid envelope.  please help me!!!  :-)

as far as world falls goes, isn't that about how amy fears death?  i don't
remember where i heard that, but i am pretty sure i remember hearing it.
but anyway, i like the song.  it isn't one of my favorites, but i do like
every song on nomads*indians*saints.  i remember when the cult committed
suicide, my friend (who likes the girls, but not like me...) was like
"holys**t, isn't that name in that indigo girls song?"  it was almost
ironic.  i really like the ending when amy, emily, and michelle are all
singing different parts.  and i do like the version on 1200 curfews.

finally, as of now, there is no info on the girls (i won't dare even say
'goddesses') club/college/high school tour this spring, right? i'm hoping
that they loved ohio (and indigohio sooooooooo much that they'll come back
here often, or that they loved chicago and that i can go home to see
them!). so if anyone knows anything, please do tell!

:-) karen
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"when you're learning to face, the path at your pace, every choice is
worth your while." --indigo girls (emily)

"your actions will follow you full circle round." --indigo girls (amy)

"but we love trees, we love the snow, the friends we have, the world we
share, and you find magic from your god, and we find magic everywhere."
--dar williams

klrosenb@wittenberg.edu                 s00.krosenblum@mail.wittenberg.edu
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east asian studies political science
major minor
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sorry, folks, but i had to do it.

standardized bonehead reply form

dear:
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[x] moron              [ ] nerd          [ ] elvis
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[ ] illiterate fool    [ ] druggie       [ ] pre-teen
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i take objection to your recent

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it was (check all that apply):

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you are being flamed because of the following specific offenses:

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[ ] you have no grammatical skills.
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[ ] you have repeatedly shown lack of humor.
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[x] you quoted an entire post in your reply.
[ ] you started a long, stupid thread.
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[ ] you write in all capital letters cause you think you look
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     above).
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[ ] you posted a phone-sex advertisement.
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claimed it was legal.
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generally worthless that you are being flamed anyway

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this clueless.
[ ] *plonk*
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to repent, you must:

[ ] stop masturbating [ ] for a week
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[ ] get wrecked
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[ ] age 10 more years before you post again
[ ] i pity your dog
[ ] consume excrement
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[x] all of the above

kirsten chevalier * mchevalier@wellesley.edu * often in error, never in doubt
"this may be god's country, but this is my country too
move over, mr. holiness, let the little people thru."--ani difranco
http://gryphon.auspice.net/~binkley/

this is probably my favorite ig song (a very tough call).  the music is
glorious, the vocals are outstanding and the lyrics touch me deeply.  i
work in environmental stuff, which is mostly a lot of fun, but also very
hard with intense fights over complex and arcane sh*t.  a lesson from
one of my mentors was always remember the resource you are fighting
for.  if nothing else works, that will recharge you.  world falls does
that for me.  when i here of the beauty that keeps shaking me, i
remember what i'm working for and why i love what i do.  i also get a
kick out of hammer and a nail, next up on nis, reminding me to get back
to work.

hugh barroll

>sorry, folks, but i had to do it.
>
> standardized bonehead reply form

can we say unnescessary??????? when did the list get so hostile? let it
go, people, and let us not add further to the stream of unrelated posts...

alisa

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 00:11:59 -0500
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>dayuummmm!!! i didn't know a song could be that long!

have you ever read the lyrics to rem's "the end of the world as
we know it (and i feel fine)"? :) now that's a long long song,
lyrically speaking of course. heheh :) michael pulls it off in
about 2 minutes 30 seconds. *laugh*

- rick

>i started singing and julie started harmonizing with me......we
>sounded really good!"

my sister and i do this sometimes ... we'll have a cd in and be sitting
there and singing along.  she has a voice closer to emily's so she usually
sings those parts.  i have a voice closer to amy's so i sing amy's parts.
we harmonize very well together.  i really prefer to sing emily's parts,
but i just don't have her range without really straining my voice.  i can
sing emily's parts for about 1/3 of a song before i start going hoarse.
:) hehehe

>amy says "don't bury me" emily says "carry me." so now when i meet a
>new friend i use world falls as my test. if they sing "carry me" i
>know that we are going to get along.

heheheheheeh that's funny. and, a great test if i do say so
myself. :))) thanks for your post! now i know that my sister
and i aren't the only ones who do this ... ehheeh :)

- rick

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 00:18:32 -0500
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hey kind friend (tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net)! :)

wow! what a comprehensive post you gave us. :) it's very close
to what i feel the song says. the only differences are the parts:

> i'm looking for a sacred hand to carve into my stone~
> (i feel a spiritual presence that can fulfill my wishes!)

i think the lyric means she's looking for that kind of presence. she
knows what it feels like but she hasn't found it yet.

the other is that the "dreams of immortality" are youth induced. she's
a young songwriter at the time of this song and she's hoping for time
and spirituality forever with that presence, even though she hasn't yet
found it, hence the "everywhere i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking
me" line. it's almost as if her surroundings are clouding her ability
to detect what she's looking for because everything is so magnificant
on its own.

but! that's just my interpretation. :)))) i love this song
regardless. :)

- rick

cathy and i are wondering what is hanging from michelle malone's guitar on
the #5 picture from the insert in "back on the bus, y'all". we seem to
think it's a bra...but does anyone know how or why it's there? the girls
obviously got a great kick out of this!!
also, if you are a big amy fan, please go to this address...there is a
great little picture there! you won't be sorry, i promise.
http://members.tripod.com/~dyke/secret.html
oh! i almost forgot...where can i find a copy of the bmhawk video? thanks
for all your help...take care y'all.

christy :)

stephanie said:
>i'm really anal so the fact that she says "i wish i was a nomad..."
>instead of "i wish i were" annoys me, but i got over it.

why is this wrong?  it seems correct to me, but then again i totally
hated english. :)  as i understand it you would read it as "i wish i
was a nomad" and "i wish i was an indian" and "i wish i was a saint"
to expand it to see if the verb fits.  if it was 2nd person singular
then you would use "were" ... but then again i just don't know for
sure.... but!  who cares, right?  hehehe :)

----

ok, my take on world falls ... this is one of the songs that i listened
to more on 1200c than n*i*s.  i totally love this song, always have
from the get-go.  :)  in fact i can remember actually going back to n*i*s
and listening to world falls and thinking in my mind "oh, that's that
song from 1200c" hehehe :)  temporal realities don't seem to affect my
sense of which came first. hehheehe :)

fav line: "(amy)this world was meant for me, don't bury me, (emily)carry me"
close 2nd: "everywher i turn all the beauty just keeps shaking me."
i think i like the 2nd part because the guitar work that follows
the second time when they're singing "running to the end of the
earth..." is so great.

- rick

hi all.

before i start with my world falls tale, i have a plea. if anyone has a boot
of the wish you were here cover, please please please can i have a copy.
that's one of my favorite tunes of all time and i'd love to hear amy singing
it, especially the two lost souls swimming in a fishbowl part. god, that
would be great.

okay, world falls. this is one of my favorite ig songs, and i didn't really
know that until one night about four and a half years ago. i had spent the
day at a hospital in nyc, watching my friend get disconnected from a
respirator and die. he lost a very short battle to full-blown aids, which
shocked everyone because he had never told anyone he was positive. he might
not have ever even admitted it to himself. he was 30, same age as me at
the time.

i was living in connecticut then and driving back up after leaving the rest
of my friends in the city. ig had been keeping me company on these treks back
and forth to the hospital for the two weeks he was in icu. that night i was
listenting to an ig mix tape i had made and world falls was the first song on
the second side. midway through it, i started to cry so hard i had to pull
over. i sat on the shoulder for awhile, listening to it about three times.
and then playing it over and over as i finished my drive. i am afraid to
think about how many times i played it, actually.

that night, that song just seemed like the most beautiful hymn i had ever
heard. so sad and so uplifting at the same time.

sad because i wondered if maybe kent had wished he were immortal, or maybe
convinced himself he was, deluded himself into thinking he could ignore all
the symptoms because he was so terrified to die. it made me realize i had to
let kent go because the edge of death did exist and he was gone.

but it was uplifting because some how i found comfort in the other message i
got from it that night: that i was living in a beautiful miraculous world.
and i knew that kent's spirit would be in the trees and the sun and the
ocean and everywhere once i could make peace with it all. it took some time
-- couple of years, actually -- but i did.

i cant listen to that song now without remembering him and that whole drive
and everything that happened, but in a good way. and i still feel like he
really is in the wind, all around me.

that all said, i must admit that the was/were thing drives me crazy,too. it's
not a pronoun / verb rule as someone mentioned/wondered about. the singular i
usually takes was.

it's one of those tricky grammatical rules about the conditional tense--i
think that's what it's called. the rule is if you say "if" -- making the
statement that follows conditional -- you are supposed to use were. like that
fiddler on the roof song "if i were a rich man" or "if i were a hammer..."
same goes for saying "i wish" because if you are wishing something it means
that it is not true, so what you are saying after that would be
conditional....if i were a nomad etc, the edge of death would disappear.

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in a message dated 98-01-25 00:52:23 est, foxmuldr@indy.net writes:

<< why is this wrong? it seems correct to me, but then again i totally
hated english. :) as i understand it you would read it as "i wish i
was a nomad" and "i wish i was an indian" and "i wish i was a saint"
to expand it to see if the verb fits. >>

except that the proper english sentence structure would say "i wish i were a
nomad"; "i wish i were an indian" and "i wish i were a saint." very few
people actually get down to the nit-picky, especially down here in the south,
grammar's real relaxed and stuff. but if you're one of those people for whom
grammar is a major peeve (and i have friends who absolutely cringe when i
talk, cause i speak southern english <grin>), then stephanie's right, it
should be were instead of was.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
- president, grlchasr26 fan club
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and tigger, who had been hiding behind trees and jumping
out on pooh's shadow when it wasn't looking, said that
tiggers were only bouncy before breakfast, and that as soon
as they had had a few haycorns they became quiet and refined.
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date:         sat, 24 jan 1998 22:10:21 -0800
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i've just arrived home from seattle and i had to come out of lurkdom to
give my 2 cents on the shows. wow. both were fabulous, i don't have the
official set lists but amy did play r&j on friday and i was one happy
camper.

a cool thing that happened to me (not quite as cool as shaking both
their hands and having amy say "thanks, that's really nice" with a smile
and eye contact when i thanked her for the great show) was this.... i
arrived in seattle on thursday about 1:00. i stayed at the camlin, right
across the road from the paramont so i drove right by as i came in. i
noticed a bus outside the venue so a while later when i wandered over to
pick up my tickets i thought i'd check it out. by this time there were 2
buses there. i walked up the sidewalk and as i passed a closed door i
heard an unmistakable voice say " a little more on the monitor...". then
she started singing, it was emily doing her sound check. she sang
snippets of a bunch of great songs i hadn't heard before but if they are
works in progress for the new album, we are in for a treat. anyway i
hung out in the cold for about 2 hours by this door and heard the whole
sound check. amy joined her shortly and they did most of the songs on
sots. emily was really ripping up with the electric guitar especially on
cut it out. i thought hendrix was in there. :) all this heard perfectly
through the (unfortunately closed) door.

the only disappointment this weekend was that i couldn't make it to the
shindigo and meet some of you fellow listers. hope it went well.

please, please tell me someone booted the shows, especially friday. my
favourite comment of the night was "we're just 2 nervous
southerners"....ya sure couldn't tell. amy said her fingers hurt on
thursday (she kept shaking out her hand) and that she was so nervous on
thursday that she kept her eyes shut the whole time.

thanks for listening to me ramble on (not quite as much as danielle
howle though...what the heck was she saying?).

helen

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 00:32:48 -0500
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i hope there's nothing wrong with my posting this to the list, if
so, i apologize.  but i figured there are enough people interested
that it should be okay.  anyway, gibson guitars is sending
a free set of strings (you choose electric or acoustic and the guage)
to everyone who answers their survey.  it's just basic questions
about string preferences, nothing personal.  and no "strings"
attached (hehe, couldn't resist the play on words).  they say
you'll get the set of your choice within 2 to 3 weeks.
just go to: www.gibson.com/products/strings/survey.html

happy stringing!
leigh ann

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 01:44:54 -0500
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  i was reading on the lyrics database today and came across nashville.
well, whoever posted it on there puut i a little paragraph introducing the
song and in it said that this is emily's least favorite song to play... is
this true?? can anyone shed some light on this?  why is it her least fav.
song?  just curious?
   yes! threads. gotta love em.  the thing that makes world falls such a
great song is hidden in the title.  there are so many days where sometimes
it just seems like the whole world is falling on me.  but the important
thing is to not let yoursself get too down and look at all the good and
beauty that there is in life.  (ok, it sounds corny, but its the truth).
it's this struggle between depression and optimism that is fought
constantly within ourselves.
        also, if anyone taped the seattle show with wish you were here
cover- please email me or at least consider treeing the show as i have
seen a few requests for this show already and i'm sure more will flow in
soon.   floyd rocks! amy, em, and gilmour... now that would be an amazing
show!
  happy indigo dreams.
    mike d.--who keeps practicing guitar but only seems to be getting
worse.:-(

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 00:02:21 -0700
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just wanted to throw my request for boots from either or both of the
seattle shows. if anyone did get boots, i'd love a copy. let me know.

thanks,
amy m.

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actually, "i wish i was" vs. "i wish i were" is subjunctive (that's what
majoring in french will teach you). please let's not discuss grammar
anymore, i'm sorry i started it, if we get into a grammar discussion like
the dar-list just did i may have to unsubscribe.
stephanie
stephanie lynne merhar
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so i got to see last night's concert and i just got home from the
portland show tonight. whew, i'm tired. they were both great shows,
natch. i'll post the setlists later if no one else does. i hope my
pictures will turn out, but that's iffy. tonight i was in the most
awesome seats - 4th row center (mom was there too, hence the plural,
"seats"). but i have to tell my sad story. i spent a few hours thurday
making a big ol' sign that asked if we could go on stage for closer to
fine. we held it up tonight and after shame on you amy saw it, pointed,
smiled and nodded. i thought for sure i was gonna get to go up and i was
so excited. we waited until the encore to hold up the sign again but they
didn't see it or acknowledge it or anything and we didn't get to go up. i
was so sad, but oh well. next time, right? it was still an awesome
concert. for you folks panicing about boots, i'm pretty lynn's been
getting the concerts taped, so try hooking up with her about it. they're
definately worth it. um, amy has a new ugly polyester shirt (my
favorite kind). and i want to say hi to the nice girls from utah (you
know who you are, you're awesome). yeah, i don't feel like going into
detail tonight, but i'll get to it tomorrow. 'night.
-sam (who's weekend was salvaged by the incredible concerts)

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hey everyone-

i know it is 3:30 in the morning...i'm just fighting the insomnia, the
fears of the past that bite you in the nocturne, and i felt like i
needed to post as i read some stuff in my mail that saddened and scared
me for the sake of many a person walking the planet today...and i figure
what with the hostility that has been running rampant on the list and
through private e-mails lately, i will quote a strong woman and say
"walk away."

walk away is such an important song to me.  as everyone may know, i was
involved in a very abusive relationship for 7 years.  my ex boyfriend
beat me daily, raped me on several occasions, did hard core drugs, and
threatened to kill me, my family, & my friends almost as often as he
beat me.  i filed charges, and then went back out of fear and lack of
self-esteem.  i lived in this nightmare for seven years.

i still live in fear of him, sometimes irrational, sometimes
intentional. but it doesn't matter, ok? fear is fear. and i would
hope that no listee ever has to go through this fear, ever, and that no
listee would ever think of a fearful situation as something that one
needs to just "get over", because that attitude breeds ignorance. and
ignorant people are what keep domestic violence a horrible shame on the
victim's part.

i saw in "walk away" that amy spoke about fears, apprehensions, love,
and her words hit me in the heart less than a week after i finally had
the guts to leave him....  i was in a friend's car, halfway between
kittaning, pa and slippery rock, pa....it was one of those spring fever
days where you jump in the car and go ride with the windows down to feel
the air.  i was also feeling free for the first time in forever.  we had
sf cranked, singing at the top of our lungs, when wa came on.  it
overwhelmed me...these are the thoughts i had that afternoon.....

>"we used to walk in each other's arms...it was one on one..that's what >you said...now the moon is a sliver in our eye, we stumble bleeding on >this broken glass...."

one time, he slammed me against a mirror. that day in t he car, as amy
sang, i saw vividly the image of the shards of glass in my back and my
mother sitting patiently with a needle and picking them out, crying the
whole time and begging me to leave him. as she wiped the blood away and
cleaned the cuts and wounds across my back, i wept silently. what she
didn't know was that, as he hit me that afternoon, he told me he would
put a 2x4 through her and my father's skulls as they slept, and he was
psycho enough to do so. i believed him, and i still do, and that is why
i stayed.

>"now we're crossing from the sacred gorund..where we once held each >other, each other's names.."

he once blackened my eyes because i told him i didn't want to marry him
until we got help....as i heard amy sing this, i pictured my life if i
had married him. i would most surely be dead by now....there is not a
doubt in my mind...there is something so sacred about marriage, about
holding another person's name as your own, that i knew i could never
live with him like that. the day i left him, i crossed from that sacred
ground into a scary world filled with freedom and self doubt, but i knew
then that i would never go back...

> "when the words are sparse, but we feel so profound, but babe you
> know all i feel, honey, i feel so ashamed...."

he never communicated to me how he felt unless it was through violence
or sparse language, like threats.  he must have felt so incredibly
powerful, to have me controlled by a threat like killing my brother, or
by telling me he would make others hate me....i was so ashamed of my
life that at one time. when my parents could take no more, they told me
that if i loved him so much, i had to leave, because they couldn't sit
by and watch their daughter be beaten..to quote my mother, "if that is
how you feel you have to live, then go live with him.  i can't watch
this anymore." and i was so ashamed to admit that she was right and he
(and i, as i defined myself by him) was wrong, that i packed up and
moved in with him.  shame has an incredible impact upon people.  i was
so ashamed at how he treated me, but even more ashamed that people would
think i caused it.  bruises, black eyes, swollen necks, you name it...i
was so ashamed that i lied to protect him and me....

> "there was a time when we gave everything, and it was true babe, true > enough to bleed..now you feel that you've got nothing left...if
> there's nothing to lose babe, then you've got nothing to gain...."

i put my life into this relationship.  every ounce of my being....  so
did he in his own little way, warped and twisted as it was.  everything
was either so true it was almost human, or so empty there was nothing
left....throughout our relationship, i believe he always felt there was
nothing to lose...because i would never leave.  so the abuse got
worse...i don't think he ever wanted to gain anything from our
relationship....i think he only found solace in the power and control he
got from hurting me and threatening me...

that day in the car, zipping through the western pa mtns., i realized
that i had lost nothing either, when i let go of him....but i gained
something incredible. me. i got me back. somewhere inside, there was
a little glow of me.

> "you know, i'd still hold you, if i could, it's hard not to try and
> change, try to change my mind..i'm a pillar of salt, i want you to
> understand , that this is the last time, the last time, i'll ever look > behind..."

you know, that day in the car was in april of 1996.  it has been almost
two years since then, and my life is incredible. but the fear remains.
i live daily hoping he doesn't come to find me.  i have information
holds at school on my address and phone number.  he calls my parent's
house every once in a while to try to see if i am there. he invades my
dreams and my reality with the very real possibility that it isn't over
yet.

my boyfriend is the most wonderful human being in the entire universe,
and strives to understand these things. he holds me at night when i wake
up screaming, soothes my fears at 2 am when i am convinced i heard a
noise in the living room. but the fear still remains.

fear is powerful and overwhelming, but listening to amy and emily help
me find the strength inside to keep it from totally controlling my
life. i am lucky. others may not have the opportunity that i do, or
their situation may not give them the ability to "walk away" without the
fear and the reality taking a very clear shape in their lives....

please consider these things the next time you hear someone say they are
afraid....you never know....this can happen to anyone.

peace-
karrie

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 08:59:28 pst
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i have recently seen two vehicles with ig bumper stickers in louisville. one is a small red car with a round ig peace sign bumper sticker and an ear x-tacy sticker. this car has been in the parking lot of the spencerian office plaza a couple of times lately.

the second is a blue pick up truck with one of the new bumper stickers that were sold at the recent concerts. this also has a long rainbow strip on the tailgate.

i"m just really curious if these people are on the list. we would love to talk with some local fans.

the
kim & rhea

do we have to live inside its walls
to identify the cage?
ferron

lisalisaa@aol.com wrote:
>it's one of those tricky grammatical rules about the conditional
>tense--i >think that's what it's called.

i had a wonderful english teacher, way back in the dark ages, who
taught us this silly little aphorism:
"if i was i wish i were"
don't tell me why this stayed with me - it's not as though it has
anything other than the repetitious cadence of the "i" to make it
memorable. (try saying it out loud to see what i mean...?)
anyway, for some reason that "rule" stuck like a piece of gum under
the desk of my mind, and as a result i've never had trouble remembering
that "wish" takes "were."

re: world falls
tony has already posted thoughts which echo my own take on this song,
so i won't bother repeating them. i have to say i was deeply touched
reading lisa's story re:the death of her friend, and want to add that
ig's (numerous) songs relating to mortality/immortality have helped me
take heart in my own hours of despair while facing the deaths of those i
love.
note: it's so nice to feel the list mellowing out a bit, easing up,
quieting itself... i don't know about anybody else, but i find it hard
to face my "in-box" knowing that a substantial portion of the messages
are apt to contain hostile barbs and sharp stones being flung,
willy-nilly, back and forth. that stuff doesn't feel ig-ish at all.
peace-nic

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does anyone know where i can find the setlist to a concert from 1992?
(specifically great woods, i think it was june), or if anyone has the boot,
please e-mail me.
thanks
rena

>>i started singing and julie started harmonizing with me......we
>>sounded really good!"
>
i soooo love to sing, but have never had much of a voice.
but i was in the car with mom over thanksgiving and -- oh look,
there's the ig tape i made here-- shucks, it's the only tape in
the car - - guess we'll *have* to listen to it -- *grin~*

and when the girls are on i just *can't not* sing along.
usually it's in my car when the sounds surrounds me and can
drown me out, but my mom won't pump the volume like i
do, so she was actually able to hear me! aahh!!

but she said "i think your voice has gotten better! you sound
pretty good!" i was so excited! i can sing along and blend with
the music and sound completely out of tune and ridiculous!
she said that maybe's it's because they're in my range, but um,
mom, there's two people singing and they sing in different
ranges -- oh well.

anyway, just one more thing to add to the list of all the
amazing things the girls and their music have added to my life.
better, and cheaper, than voice lessons anyday!
cathy

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>cathy and i are wondering what is hanging from michelle malone's guitar on
>the #5 picture from the insert in "back on the bus, y'all".

it certainly looks like a bra to me. :) it must be an inside joke because
it looks like both amy and emily are laughing hysterically at it. :)

- rick

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 12:43:16 -0400
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hey, y'all.

        i'm sitting here, listening to fleetwood mac's _rumors_ and can't
help thinking that since emily picked up piano, that she would do a  great
version of "songbird".   just my two pennies worth.
        also to tap on the "sing-along/ harmonizing" thread, two of my
friends and i were hanging out the other night and listening to ig.  when
"galileo" came on, we all broke into a sort of three-part harmony. i took
emily's part, one friend took amy's, and one made a hybrid of the two. in
our fuzzy navel- induced euphoria, i think that we sounded pretty good :-)

        one final note.  when you're listening to ig with friends, do you
notice how quiet everyone gets when "ghost" is on?  maybe it's just me, but
there seems to be a sacredness about that song.  it holds a lot of meaning
for me, ranging from friendship to relationship levels, and i find myself
shhhhh-ing people whenever i listen to it.  there seems to be a very
low-volume sing-along-ality (pardon the "sarah-ism") to it, don't you
think?

just a couple of random ig thoughts,

sarah :-)

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although i  am somewhat of a lurker on this list... something has to be
said.....
i joined this list at the begining of december, thrilled at the prospect of
being part of such as (supposedly) lovig community.  in these two months, i
have seen the list degenerate into a plethora of petty, rude threads and the
unnecessary responses of those who take issue with them.. in the past four
days of mail, i have not seen any mail of indigo girls interest aside from
concert reviws and the song interps.... the reason i thought this list was
started.  we have all had enough of the goddess agruement, the quoting
reminders (notice you still knew what i was talking about even though i used
no quotes), and the fowarded mail and idiotic, uncalled for, insulting
responses they recieved.  i can't imagine any listee enjoying the postings of
late, and maybe instead of polite pleas, this list needs a good kick in the
butt so get itself back on track..... flame me if you must, but remember, send
it to me.... not the list!!!!!

hoping to hear some igc real soon,
leslie mackrell

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hey,
world falls... (sigh).  i love this song.  i listened to it constantly
after hiking for 120 miles on the appalacian trail this summer.  it also
ran throught my head all the time bc i was always looking at the ground for
a stone to  bring home as a reminder of the amazing experience that i had
and the incredible trip.  "i'm coming home with a stone strapped onto my
back...".
        when i got home my friend sent me a tape of some songs that were relevant
to our trip.  "world falls" was the first one, among "hurricane" by bob
dylan, "lean on me", "sitting in limbo"(jimmy cliff) and some other awesome
songs.
        whenever i listen to "world falls" it reminds me of the incredible
accomplishment i have done!
                        chelsea

i will agree wholeheartedly that "ghost" is a sacred song which does
quiet a room. my friend and i think that it is possibly the most perfect
song ever written. it is not our fav..but it is perfect lyrically,
perfect hamonically, and perfect melodically....it just doesn't get much
better than that...

just my two pennies....rhonda

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hello...

my second morning after post in two days...

comparing last night in portland to friday in seattle, i think i had more fun
here.  i was really worried about a&e being swallowed up by the rose garden
(it holds about 6000 the way they set it up, but it is a huge basketball
arena).  i think  it was amy who said, "this place is humongous... but we'll
do our  best to make it small."

the crowd was pretty cool though, most of the floor stood up at least half of
the time, which was a change from seattle. even people way up in my section
were standing -- and the woman in front of me was a fellow new englander, so
we got to holler at "suzanne goes to boston" and "winthrop is a small fishing
town north of boston."

danielle howle opened again, but i though her seattle set was better. i
bought the cd though, and she sounds good.

nothing really stands out about the night (although it was cool to hear four
songs from _ig_), so i'll just do an incorrrectly ordered set list.

three hits
romeo and juliet
chickenman
least complicated
dead man's hill
(two songs by vonda shepard, one of which emily joined. it was really
different to see emily up there without her guitar, just singing. it was neat
to watch her hands and her body -- you could tell she was really into the
song).
shame on you
get out the map
it's alright
scooter boys
galileo
love's recovery (w/ vonda shepard on piano)
secure yourself
kid fears

**encore
winthrop
cut it out => wish you were here (crowd wasn't quite as surprised as seattle,
and i think the seattle transition was better)
closer to fine

hope everyone heading to sf has a safe trip...

kevin s. minoli

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from tigger, high priestess of amyism, to the listserv and all it's members,
greeting. <grin>

i was remembering how last year we did the most wonderful thing for amy's
birthday...... for those of you who weren't here, some people got together and
collected donations from everyone on the list and sent them to the honor the
earth campaign in amy's name, and also they managed to get backstage and
present amy with a gift and one of those big fake check things, and so it was
from all of us to her for her birthday.  so anyway, what i was wondering is if
the list is interested in doing this again this year.  if so, are the same
people interested in handling it?  if not, i'll volunteer to help put it
together (if i could ask the same people who don't want to do it again for
advice on how to!  <grin>).  and also, would we donate to hte again this year
or to a different organization?  so many questions...........

peace, harmony, and indigo,

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reply-to:     lynn torrey <ljt96@earthlink.net>
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i am forwarding this message which was sent to the melissa etheridge
list. i knew mike only a little, but you couldn't spend any time at
all with mike without knowing that he was a truly devoted fan of
amy and emily and many of you probably knew him through this
list over the past several years.

lynn torrey

------- forwarded message follows -------
from:          ewhitfi337 <ewhitfi337@aol.com>
date:          sun, 25 jan 1998 14:21:02 est
to:            etheridge@eosoft.com
cc:            ljt96@earthlink.net
subject:       remembering mike bunch
organization:  aol (http://www.aol.com)

those of you who have been getting this list as long or longer than i have may
remember mike bunch -- frequent mischief-maker and an almost inexhaustible
source of trivia and enthusiasm for all things melissa and indigo girls. he
often made his personal recordings available for tape trees and i know that he
maintained a private correspondence with many of you.

i had the good fortune of having mike in my life -- he was a man of brio even
at his most exasperating -- and i am sad to say that he died unexpectedly
earlier this month.  i will miss his caustic wit and, even more, his
irrepressible zeal.  i believe he would have wanted to say farewell to his
list friends.  to those of you who didn't know mike, thanks for your patience
with this small commemorative.

eileen whitfield
list class of 95

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 15:04:20 est
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i had to smile when i saw cathy's post about singing along to the girls.  i've
been listening to their music since mid-high school, and have driven more
miles with them in the tape deck than i can even count.  i guess somewhere
along the line i got less ashamed of singing along/singing out loud (hell, i
was the only one in the car). and so i'd sing along, then sing the harmony
part, then add my own harmony...never even really a concious thing.  and then
i was at my friend's down in san diego last weekend, and he pulled out his
guitar and started singing, and i just started harmonizing with him.  it was
the coolest thing (and then he played some stuff i wrote and i was enamoured
forever)...so you see kiddies, its not just entertainment, its an education ;
) (now if i could only play my guitar while i was driving, i'd be all set).

32 hours until san francisco--cross your fingers everyone, becuase my car is
hurting but i can't take it in until after the tuesday show. if you want to
say hi, i'll be the kinda tall one with short brown hair with a few braids in
it. i think i'll be wearing a shiny purple patterned shirt, black tank top
and jeans...can't get their till around six so hopefully i'm not too far back
from the stage.

peace, y'all,
shelley

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 15:18:43 est
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i don't remember if its been suggested already, but i'd love to hear amy do
ghost or fare thee well (in the spirit of weepy amy songs). or how about
emily singing welcome me?

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 20:25:07 +0000
reply-to:     matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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i just found this message on the alt.music.indigo-girls newsgroup, in
response to things which were said about this recent bootleg attempt:

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: 25 jan 1998 12:09:08 gmt
from: mbrown2293 <mbrown2293@aol.com>
newsgroups: alt.music.indigo-girls
subject: re: early recordings: volume 3

first off musicdrome is not a retail chain in the southeast, it is a small
indepedent record store. second, i called musicdrome and
they said that they did'nt have any more of the early recordings
volume 3 left. the person that i spoke to said that they had bought
them off the street from someone. i don't know for a fact but i got
the impression that they don't want in anyway want to make the
same mistake that rainy day made and piss amy or emily mad. as
for them being conmen, it seemed to me that they were concerned that they do
the right thing by amy & emily. as for mat
take it easy we are all fans and would like to enjoy any thing we can get our
hands on.

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 17:18:26 -0500
reply-to:     wendy nettles <wmnettles@worldnet.att.net>
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from:         wendy nettles <wmnettles@worldnet.att.net>
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hey,

i'm going to the girls feb 3 show in las vegas and was wondering if anyone
else from the list was planning to attend-maybe we can get together. feel
free to e-mail me privately (wmnettles@worldnet.att.net) so we won't
clutter up the list.

thanks,
nettles

as usual i have a few questions for everyone. just call me curious chrisy :)

1. on swamp ophelia, on this train revised is it just me or during the song
at some point toward the begginning does the sound grow increasingly louder
than before? and what is the music box or whatever at the very end of the cd?
signifigance?

2. why does amy not sing blood and fire anymore?

3. as you all probably guessed i am a big r.e.m. fan and i wondering if the
indigo girls have a certain town like r.e.m. does. r.e.m.'s is athens, ga and
it is a must for all diehard fans to make a pilgrimage there and go to
certain places like where they shot pictures for their first album, the
members houses, where they first played. do the ig have a place like this and
if so what are the must see places?

thats all my questions for now.

chrisy

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 16:33:34 -0600
reply-to:     michael holloway <ankh9467@apex.net>
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from:         michael holloway <ankh9467@apex.net>
subject:      "walk away"-long but, i think, worthwhile....nigc
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first of all, i would like to thank you for sharing that.  it touched me
deeply.  and i am glad that i have never experienced like that myself,
physically.
i have been witness to terrifying abuse in my life at the hands of my
father.  but he never laid a hand on me.  he did, however, daily get inside
of my head and warp my mind.  please don't lose sight of all forms of
abuse.  they are all special and tragic in their own way.

>and i would hope that no listee ever has to go through this fear, ever,
and that no
>listee would ever think of a fearful situation as something that one
>needs to just "get over", because that attitude breeds ignorance. and
>ignorant people are what keep domestic violence a horrible shame on the
>victim's part.
two things:
1. as opposed to wishing these things for listees, shouldn't we hope these
things for all human beings?
2. you are not a victim -- you are a survivor. don't ever forget that. no
matter what fear you might encounter in your daily life, you still have
life. that makes you a survivor, and that is something to be proud of.

>he holds me at night when i wake
>up screaming, soothes my fears at 2 am when i am convinced i heard a
>noise in the living room.

congratulations on finding a good man. it sounds like you deserve it.

sorry for the nigc. but that was something that i wanted the whole list to
know.
jessica

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 17:43:15 -0500
reply-to:     indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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from:         indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
subject:      vonda shepard- nigc
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hi y'all!
does anyone by chance have the vonds shepard set list from when she opened
for ig? i'd love to see it, please e-mail me privately. thanks!

:-) karen

ps- i'd love to do the hte thing again for amy's birthday. her b-day is
on easter this year :)

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"when you're learning to face, the path at your pace, every choice is
worth your while." --indigo girls (emily)

"your actions will follow you full circle round." --indigo girls (amy)

"but we love trees, we love the snow, the friends we have, the world we
share, and you find magic from your god, and we find magic everywhere."
--dar williams

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east asian studies political science
major minor
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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 17:46:20 -0500
reply-to:     shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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from:         shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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i don't know about #1 or #3, but as for "b and f," i heard somewhere that
amy said the song just brought up too many intense emotions in her and that
she couldn't handle singing it anymore. apparently, the memories are still
too fresh and intense to get past--maybe (hopefully) in the future, she'll
come to terms with the whole thing and will be able to share it with us
again!

that's it--if anyone else has other thoughts or info, let me know!

shannon

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 15:11:46 -0800
reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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>stephanie said:
>>i'm really anal so the fact that she says "i wish i was a nomad..."
>>instead of "i wish i were" annoys me, but i got over it.
>
i'm not very so really good at english, but i just sort of always heard amy
singing this as if she were talking about a "past life" ( i suppose as in:
"i wish i had been a nomad..." so the use of "was", rather than "were" which
is definatly proper grammer if she means she wishes to be a nomad during
*this* life:-), never bothered me, eh?:-)
that said, i think that some of the most effective writings i've ever
indulged myself in, were those written 1st person in the actual style of
spoken language intrinsic to the author. such a work always has a "real"
tone to it, as though the author is speaking directly to me. i find this
true in lyrics as well... and am oh so happy to overlook such a teeny thing
when the import of the song is as overwhelming + beautiful as this one:)
world falls is a favorite of mine... gotta love it:)
peace all... kim, who is at this moment going through the legal paper work
involved in the break up of my marriage + the moving on towards a
non-closeted life. yoiks, this is hard. good to be distracted by y'all +
this list:-)
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in the open door of my tent. then in he came from
the storm and the rain, old and grey and bent... c. allen
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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 18:07:39 -0500
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subject:      re: fwd: this is urgent!!!!! do not delete! if you desire
              1,000and win 98....re...
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and i get called harsh and a waster of bandwith??
i quoted the whole thing because frankly, there wasn't a good place to cut!
give me a break...just because some of us on here have been around isn't an
excuse to go flaming the newbies...

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> from: kirsten r. chevalier (r for righteoussssssssssssssssssss)
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1,000and win 98....re...
> date: saturday, january 24, 1998 11:51 pm
>
> sorry, folks, but i had to do it.
>
>  standardized bonehead reply form
>
>  dear:
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>
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doubt
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> move over, mr. holiness, let the little people thru."--ani difranco
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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 17:16:42 -0600
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hey tigger and all you listees!

thank you so much for bringing this back up tigger!!  i was actually
going to post about it very soon, but hadn't had the time yet.
i organized both amy and emily's birthday presents last year (with the
help of greta, deb, audrey, tony, and countless others).  i wish i could
organize it again this year, but i have no time to do so (i've had to
switch to digest and i can honestly say that i haven't been able to read
a full one yet- just skim them).  however, i would love to be a part of
the project (helping out in the bagkground, offering advice, being a
mediator for any problems that might arise ;) etc.).  the presents were
very successful last year ($2500 for amy's and $2650 for emily's) and we
could probably do the same this year.  there are some issues that would
need to be addressed (organizations, who's going to collect the
donations, to backstage or not to backstage , etc.).  these are list
decisions but i can see them going into lengthy, possibly flame
throwing, debates like the goddess thing has.  so maybe if somebody ran
a vote it would work out best (?)  we would definitaly need for somebody
to step up and take charge of the project.  also, please keep in mind
that the use of the list's name is in the hands of the listowners and if
they don't want the list's name used we would have to respect their
decision.  also, this all depends on whether or not you all want to go
forward with this again.
if you have any questions or would like to help out you can repond
privately to me.  i'll keep a list of interested people until somebody
commits to the project and then i will send the list to them.  sound
good??

peace, mandi

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 18:22:35 -0500
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alright everyone...

this is it.  there really isn't a list meet planned.  we are going to hang out
in line for a million hours over two days, so i guess we figured that was good
enough to start with.  so as long as you find us in line one of the days, if we
plan to do anything else after the concerts then you'll be in on it.  so come
say hi.  i'll make a lovely list sign (i promise i'll remember this time!) and
we'll keep each other company...or sing each other to sleep (something my body
might need more at that time).

and to anyone awaiting photos from me...i was ready to mail them today and the
studio screwed up the order bigtime and left out one of the 2 incredible amy
shots that you will not want to miss, so i have to have more of them made when i
get back. so i swear, friday morning they will be in the mail. and i'm still
working my way through the boots. you'll get them soon.

don't hate...procrastinate!

marivel

"well let's get something straight
now that we're face to face after all this time
you asked me to save your ass
well baby, i'm far to busy saving mine..."

--brenda weiler "scrub"

can anyone who is particularly well-informed on the girls' activism please
privately email me with any info on an atlanta-based group assisting
refugees from war-torn areas, which i believe goes by the name of jubilant
partners? r.e.m. is also affiliated with the group.
thanks,
jill

p.s. went out to denny's late the other night, and the waitress resembled
amy, so of course i told her so.  she was not amused-- was not aware of
the magnitude of the compliment.  in other late-night-dining news, on a
separate occasion, a large group of my friends and i went to big boy's,
and were harassed, not waited upon, and our complaint attempts brushed
aside by the manager because we were (appearring to be) gay.  and this is
absolutely legal in lorain county, ohio, and in the whole state as well.

i tried really hard to send this privately, but for some it wouldn't let
me. i hope this doesn't piss anyone off, but if it does i'm sorry and
please don't flame me.

she doesn't perform b&f anymore because she doesn't want to revisit the
emotions that are involved with that song.  and she feels that to try to
play it now would be dishonest.
i found that somewhere on the web earlier this week.  i don't remember
where, though.  you might try the faq.  but i could be wrong.
doesn't that piss you off, though.  b&f is my favorite song.  and it bums
me out to no end that i will never have the opportunity to hear it live.
i'm not sure about your other questions, but i hope that that is enough for
#2.
love and all things indigo,
jessica

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 15:40:52 -0800
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        i don't remember the address of the person who enlightened me to
the syntax needed to get the digest version of this list.  it didn't work!
can you help me again?  or someone?

micah

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 19:25:39 -0500
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i'm there!  count me in. :) hehehehehe  i'd love to do something
for amy's bday.  i volunteer myself to go backstage and present
something to her.  :)

hey! i called shotgun first! hehehhe it's mine! mine! mine!!! :)

- rick

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 19:33:34 -0500
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well said, leslie!  i have done nothing but delete digests for the past
week or two (except for the short time this week that my mailbox filled
up and i was unsubscribed:).  i couldn't care less about the goddess
debate - i can do without it.  personal bickering should be kept just
that - personal.  like, don't bitch about it to the list.  we really don't
want to hear it.  grow up, folks!  for the good of this list, let's all
please try to act like rational, sensible, sane adults.
     i can say this - i have been on this list for 3 years now and these
flame wars come in cycles. i have seen a post circulated over the years called
"the life cycle of a mailing list" or something like that.  if someone
has a copy of that and sherlyn doesn't mind it being posted, i think
you all would find it very funny/insightful.  there are periods of peace
and harmony and then the flames start.  i, myself, was the victim of some
(public and private) flames about a year and a half ago for simply
expressing an opinion, and i ended up unsubscribing for about two months.
     flaming cycles come and go, but honestly, is it really necessary to
jump all over someone because they state an opinion, or say/do something
considered inappropriate by some, or commit some other faux pas?  i
think a private e-mail that kindly and logically expresses why a person
takes issue with something is all that is necessary.  being mean and
nasty is unnecessary.  would any of you treat your friends that way?
if you did, you probably wouldn't have too many friends in this world.
     think of it this way - when you read something that annoys or offends
or otherwise pisses you off, think of it as one of your friends doing it
and express your opinion or correct that person accordingly.
     i totally agree - there is way too much bitchiness, pettiness, and
garbage on this list these days.  and way too much fluff.  i want
to hear some real igc, not token "here is my ig content...the indigo
girls believe/say/do this" kind of stuff.  i apologize for taking
up bandwidth with what is nigc, but something's got to give on this list.
     i love this list - i've cultivated some wonderful friendships (both
online and in person) with people here and overall, my life (and boot
collection:) has been enriched by being a part of this list.
     but, there is an ugly cancer eating away at this list and it stems
from a lack of maturity, a lack of empathy, and above all, a lack of
respect.  i truly believe that the people who exhibit this behavior are
in the minority. in fact, i'd say the majority of the people on this
list probably just lurk and rarely, if ever, post to the list.
     i don't know what the solution is to help us all get along with
each other, but acting more mature, responsible, compassionate, and
showing respect for each person on this list and their feelings and
opinions would be a terrific start.  this isn't just a list of names.
there are real people with personalities, lives, and feelings behind
these e-mail addresses.  the fact that you can't see them face to face
doesn't give anyone a license to hurt someone else.  think before you act.

again, i apologize for the length of this post and the lack of igc.

peace and love (i'd like to see more of it here),

joan :-d

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 19:56:13 est
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i volunteer too! i am willing to work with whoever is really planning on
organizing, and rick should know that there will be someone contending with
him for "shotgun." since i'm rather low on funds, maybe i will just offer my
services as personal asst. to amy instead of money.
by the way, how did amy acknowledge last year's (and the years before) gift?
oh, and emily too?

~flora

in a message dated 98-01-25 19:52:04 est, foxmuldr@indy.net writes:
<< i'm there!  count me in. :) hehehehehe  i'd love to do something
for amy's bday.  i volunteer myself to go backstage and present
something to her.  :)
  hey!  i called shotgun first! hehehhe  it's mine!  mine!  mine!!! :)
  >>

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 17:11:59 -0600
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not mine, of course, i stole this from another post on another list a long
time ago and see it from time to time on all lists. by request:
****

the natural life cycle of mailing lists

every list seems to go through the same cycle:

1. initial enthusiasm (people introduce themselves, and gush a lot about
how wonderful it is to find kindred souls).

2. evangelism (people moan about how few folks are posting to the list,
and brainstorm recruitment strategies).

3. growth (more and more people join, more and more lengthy threads
develop, occasional off-topic threads pop up).

4.  community (lots of threads, some more relevant than others; lots of
    information and advice is exchanged; experts help other experts as
    well as less experienced colleagues; friendships develop; people
    tease each other; newcomers are welcomed with generosity and
    patience; everyone -- newbie and expert alike -- feels comfortable
    asking questions, suggesting answers, and sharing opinions).

5.  discomfort with diversity (the number of messages increases
    dramatically; not every thread is fascinating to every reader;
    people start complaining about the signal-to-noise ratio; person 1
    threatens to quit if *other* people don't limit discussion to
    person 1's pet topic; person 2 agrees with person 1; person 3
    tells 1 & 2 to lighten up; more bandwidth is wasted complaining
    about off-topic threads than is used for the threads themselves;
    everyone gets annoyed).

6a. smug complacency and stagnation (the purists flame everyone who asks
    an 'old' question or responds with humor to a serious post;
    newbies are rebuffed; traffic drops to a doze-producing level of a
    few minor issues; all interesting discussions happen by private
    email and are limited to a few participants; the purists spend
    lots of time self-righteously congratulating each other on keeping
    off-topic threads off the list).

6b. maturity (a few people quit in a huff; the rest of the participants
    stay near stage 4, with stage 5 popping up briefly every few
    weeks; many people wear out their second or third 'delete' key,
    but the list lives contentedly ever after).

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        - the avengers
~~~^~^~~~~^~^~^~^~~~~^~~~^~^^~~~^
the whole crew is  w/ our mountains!
  tracy, jeni, true, molly, holly dabear, and river
        now with our web site at:
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/5195/

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 20:14:47 -0500
reply-to:     rick hodgin <foxmuldr@indy.net>
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don't they come from decatur??sp??  originally playing in atlanta?
my sister used to live in athens and told me about this.  i'm sure
it's in the faq but i don't remember...  my memory just ain't what
it used to be in my younger days. hehhe :)

- rick

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 20:38:24 -0500
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now for a happy post. :o) i have meant to post about this for two weeks,
but have just been too busy (and sometimes just too lazy).

weekend before last, i saw an amazing writer's "in-the-round" type show
at douglas corner cafe here in nashville. the lineup was janet
mclaughlin (a&e sang on her latest cd), sonia from disappear fear,
cindy bullens, and bill lloyd (formerly teamed up with radney foster in
the duo foster and lloyd). this was an amazing show!

for anyone who is not familiar with an in-the-round show,  mics are set up
in the middle of the club in a circle.  the artists go around clockwise,
each performing a song.  don't know how it is in other cities, but
that's a big thing here in nashville.  anyway, i had never heard janet
mclauglin before - i just knew that ig had sung on her cd.  i don't like
to compare people, but her voice is very similar to that of mary chapin
carpenter - deep, beautiful and reassuring.  her lyrics are very
soothing and cerebral.  sonia was great, of course.  she really jammed
on the guitar (a pleasant surprise, since i'd never seen her live),
and did a great-sounding version of "whose so scared" from the first df cd.
     sonia also did a couple of songs from her new cd which came
out a week or two ago.  i think they were called "almost chocolate"
and "two eggs over easy"  (i'm sensing a food theme, here:)  the new
material sounded great - i really liked it!  there's even some igc:
janet mclaughlin introduced the song she was about to play by saying the
indigo girls sang on it.  she said "they're really neat people."  and
then she and sonia talked about how they had both opened for the
girls.  janet said to sonia "boy, isn't that a great gig...opening for
the indigo girls?"  janet asked if anyone was familiar with ig's
music (being the reserved person i am in those situations, i didn't
start applauding 'til someone else did:).  janet said "well sonia and i
are both friends with them and they are two wonderful women!"   :-d
     anyway, i want to say that the person in the group who was the
least known was the one who blew me away the *most*   if anyone has the
opportunity to hear cindy bullens play, go see her!  she thrashes her acoustic
guitar as much as amy does, and she plays with an incredible amount of soul.
her songs are really emotional and stirring.
     she  mentioned that she is working on a cd, which rodney crowell is
producing.  so, good things are happening for her. (rodney crowell is a
great producer, and he used to produce (and be married to) rosanne
cash.)  anyway, i just can't get her music out of my mind.  if anyone
has a chance to see her, go check her out.  i'm not sure where she's
based, but she was talking about being from maine.  she seems like
a pretty cool person, as well. ;-d

nothing makes me happier than to go hear songwriter-artists and discover
someone else whose music totally blows me away. so, i just wanted
to share that and encourage you to see any and all of these artists
if you have the chance.

peace,

joan :-d

p.s. - if anyone is coming to nashville for the daemon showcase at
this year's nea extravaganza on feb 20th or 21st (not sure which day
it is yet), e-mail me.

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in a message dated 98-01-25 10:21:48 est, rick writes:

<< it certainly looks like a bra to me. :) it must be an inside joke because
it looks like both amy and emily are laughing hysterically at it. :) >>

when i saw mm open for the girls on their demo tour summer 1996, mm was
laughing a lot with amy on stage (esp. during wild horses) and finally shared
with the audience their inside joke- it was about how michelle thinks she has
the body of a 12 year old boy! hence, no need to wear the bra!

note: don't bother emailing me to tell me it's perfectly okay for boys to wear
bras, i'm really not arguing that point!

anticipating controversy just because i thought i'd explain the inside joke
about mm's guitar...

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 20:40:16 -0600
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hey y'all!

if you replied to my earlier post regarding amy's b-day deal please
resend it to mandi96@airmail.net i'm sharing this program w/ my dad and
just now saw that his name and email addy are on the reply deal.
thanks. sorry about that.

~mandi

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i have to disagree with you mike on your view of world falls. having the world
fall on you is not about being stressed, or getting you down. and the song is
not about not about keeping your spirits up! it is about recoginzing the
beauty of the world-- the good and hte bad in it.
"this world falls on me" is saying that the world is so powerful and wonderful
and coming at her so fast that . . wow. i sometimes imagine a commet coming
at me from deep space-- much more than i could ever catch and support, but i
do not run. i let it come and become a part of the commet, even if it might
kill me.
how else can i expain it? anyone else think the same?

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hi. a coupla questions and ramblings...

uno.  i bought a black, long-sleeved shirt at a concert in oct. which has a
small, plain logo in front which has the words "indigo girls" (duh) circling a
gray fish with a sort of orange snowflake over the fish.  i think it looks
cool, however, does anyone know what this symbol really means?  has it ever
been used in association with the girls before?

deux. anyone ever noticed how on the self-titled cover amy is wearing a white
shirt with a dark blue logo on it (maybe a sun?) and it's really hard to
distinguish where the shirt ends and where amy begins, and so the logo
actually looks like it's on her skin?? to me, it strongly resembles (what i've
seen of) her newish tattoo. don't believe me, take a look for yourself!

three.  well, not really a question, but i'll make it one.  does anyone ever
in their minds, or even on remixes, try and categorize ig music into different
groups?  hey touchy people, don't flame me - of course i still think that
listening to the actual albums themselves are the best, but it's still fun
when you're in a partick mood for something.  right now, i'm just making a
basic 2-tape set of amy songs which move me or are just delicious.  not that i
don't like emily - i'll make one of her later.  and then i'll make a set of
their songs which are fast and/or cheerful which they both sing (although they
usually are written by em; have you noticed?)  you can also get into
categories such as: love songs, sad songs, spiritual songs, people songs,
places songs, etc.

fourth. the beginning of "welcome me" sounds a lot like that of "jonas and
ezekiel," don't you think? (that was a question!)

going now. please, west-coast-concert-goers, don't forget to tell us
un"fortunate ones" about the shows!

~flora

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 22:38:53 -0500
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hey everyone-

i found this tape about 4 years ago in rebop records in ithaca ny in a
bargain bin for a buck by this chick naemd kimm rogers. i just looked
over at my trusty dusty tape collection, and i thought, "damn, i haven't
heard her in a while," so i popped her in.

she is better than i remembered....

has anyone ever heard of her? does anyone know where i can other stuff
by her?

thanks for the info!

peace-
karrie

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date:         sun, 25 jan 1998 23:04:38 -0500
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in my coursework for a ph.d. in linguistics at the university of georgia (a
somewhat dubious establishment of credibility?), i seem to remember being
taught that contrary-to-fact situations call for the subjunctive (not the
conditional as someone posited earlier). the construction "i wish," then,
would require the subjunctive case, because the speaker is indicating a
desire for a situation that is contrary-to-fact.

the english language has very few remnants of the subjunctive case; more
often than not, the morphology of the subjunctive mirrors the simple past
tense verb form.  one could say, for instance, "i wish the indigo girls
played in washington, dc more often," or even "i wish i had a copy of the
'indigo girls live in san francisco' cassette."  sadly, both of these
situations are contrary-to-fact and require the subjunctive.  even what
looks like a conditional, as in "i wish the indigo girls would release a new
album soon," is actually a subjunctive; the word 'would' is, in fact, the
"past tense" of the auxiliary "will," and what's actually present in the
contrary-to-fact clause is still a subjunctive.

amy's use of the phrase "i wish i was a nomad," then, doesn't quite follow
the rules. somehow, though, i think that chaning the lyric to "i wish i
were a nomad" would be almost as bad as asking elivs to sing "you aren't
anything but a hound dog," or suggesting "i cannot see myself loving anybody
but you" to the turtles.

all of this is, of course, off the top of my head and remembered from a
six-years-ago-now graduate course in english grammar -- and, furthermore,
all of this is assuming that anyone *cares*. ;-) if you want more, or more
accurate, information, i suggest the book a comprehensive grammar of english
by messrs. quirk, greenbaum, leach, and svartvik (a combination of names
which, although it sounds like one of those law firms which doesn't get paid
unless you win your case, is actually *not* contrary-to-fact).

we now return you to your regularly scheduled relevance.

deanna

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here's the set list (yes, in order):
welcome me
least complicated
shame on you
virginia woolf
dead man's hill
hammer and a nail
chickenman
get out the map
don't give that girl a gun
crazy game
hey kind friend
it's alright
romeo and juliet
shed your skin
galileo
*encore*
winthrop
cut it out/that wish you were here song
closer to fine
ummm...i'll just take the time to make a few notes. crazy game and sys
were done with two of the gals from billy tipton (again). chickenman was
with "devil spawn" dave (i have no opinion about him either way, i just
think it sounds cute, so don't get your panties in a wad that i'm calling
him this) doing his thing in the middle. it was cute when the girls
messed up the beginning of dead man' hill 'cuz they haven't done it in so
long. and i've decided that i agree that danielle howle, though prone to
talking on and on about strange things (but it's so funny and cute), is a
great musician (if you like a rockin' kind of music, which i do). i can't
think of much right now 'cuz i just woke up from a mind-numbing nap. i'll
dig up saturday's set list in a while so you folks can check it out too.
-sam (who's having 'taters for dinner, yum)

january 26
mts5@aber.ac.uk (matthew j. smith)
happy 21st, matt!

january 28
n.rear1@student.derby.ac.uk (natasha rear)
happy birthday, natasha!

january 29
103161.3515@compuserve.com (joan morrison)
happy 32nd, joan!

january 30
bakerjo@caedm.et.byu.edu (jody k. baker)
happy 22nd, jody!

january 30
karrie@ncinter.net (karrie bowen)
happy 27th, karrie!
"the higher the leap, the harder the ground...."
"i finally found someone i can hold/ you ask me to defend myself, as if i
shouldn't be so bold, well/ get that look off of your face/ i don't have the
time, you don't have the place..."

january 31
joan_ferguson@harvard.edu (joan ferguson)
happy 33rd, joan!
"i stood without clothes, danced in the sand, i was aching with freedom,
kissing the damned, i said remember this, it's how it should be..."

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i've always thought so too!! and--typical stupid move on my part--i
usually always start singing the wrong words! it's very embarrassing . . .
:)

that's all for now--night, y'all!

love,
shannon
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bluffton college

*i love mh!*

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hey guys.

i'm sure all you boot collectors have noticed that the songs featured on
1200 curfews are normall from different show than when the girls introduce
them...ok, that was confusing.  translation:  not only did a&e go through
and pick their favorite live performance of the song, they also picked
their favorite intro.  example:  the intro to galileo was recorded in
winnepeg (the "moo" thing)  while the song was recorded in london.  but
"ghost" was obviouly recorded at the same show as it's intro.  does anyone
know where the intos to say "least complicated" "va woolf" or "world falls"
were recorded??  the one that i'm really interested in is where they find
the 8 year old girl before "mystery".  was anyone at that show? i don't
think it really occured before mystery, althought it flows nicely.  anyone
know anything about that? i think it would be pretty weird to be at a show
and remember an intro but then the song wasn't on the live disc.  did this
happen to anyone?  is this post to goofy for y'all??  well any thoughts or
flames are welcome.  i really don't care...i just wanna talk about indigo
girls!!!

take care
rob
**********************************************
* "the flesh is strong, the spirit stronger  *
*  so shed your skin, baby, let it through!" *
*                           --amy ray        *
**********************************************

hey folks,

we've been asked by the netspace admins to change the list
configuration to reduce the amount of spam coming though.
i'm going to do this tomorrow, and we'll try it out for a
week.

under the new configuration, only subscribers will be able
to post to the list. this means that there'll be less spam
for sure, but if you tend to post from different addresses
you might find some of your posts being rejected. anyway,
we'll see how it goes after a week...

(btw, please don't forward spam to postmaster@netspace.org,
they have enough to do already!)

other things - thanks to joan for that excellently worded
post earlier on. joan, you said everything i was thinking
but probably better. :)

i'd like to echo the call for folks to please try to be a
little more tolerant of everyone else.  we're all human
beans here, and we all have feelings.  and yes, we're a
hugely diverse group, from all over the world.  try to
keep all this in mind - we all have different points of
view, and that's really okay.  tolerance is the key.

and, just because one person was obviously wrong to post
something to the list doesn't mean that everybody else is
right to flame them - two wrongs and all that...

sorry to ramble. i can't remember the last time i was
this tired in the middle of the day...

happy happy,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

for those who are curious:

three hits
it's alright
secure yourself
least complicated
shame on you
love's recovery
dead man's hill
get out the map
chickenman

then vonda shepard plays "maryland" (a+e leave the stage)

emily comes back on stage and does a duet with vonda: "baby don't break" --
i'm guessing the rest of the title is "my heart," or something like that.

romeo and juliet
virginia woolf
kid fears
galileo
winthrop
cut it out/wish you were here <--- wow!!! brings back memories of 6th
grade :)
closer to fine

the above is from the "official" set list. i can't remember if they mixed
it up a bit or not. i thought secure yourself came later than song three,
but maybe not.

all in all it was a fun show. perhaps someone else can post her/ his
review. i'm going to bed...

bon

bonster@u.washington.edu

in a message dated 98-01-26 02:01:46 est, you write:

<<
emily comes back on stage and does a duet with vonda: "baby don't break" --
i'm guessing the rest of the title is "my heart," or something like that. >>
i think this is baby don't break my heart slow or something similar... i dunno
for sure :) but i like the song.
~x

        thanks to everyone who replied about setting up the digest.  i
finally got it working.  thanks a lot.
        micah
"positive vibrations"
                - ben harper

just a final note before i unsubscribe:

my wife and i are off to a new life in hartford, ct, on tuesday, and moving
from a nice mac system with all the bells & whistles (& e-mail) to an office
with ibm 386 (really, i didn't mistype that!!! :( ) and no e-mail, so i've got
to unsubscribe until i can get e-mail at home.

i just wanted to echo someone else's recent post that it's nice to find people
who are as obsessive about the ig as i am -- i've found a song for every
occasion on their albums, and when i was packing my cds i realized that, with
the possible exception of peter gabriel, tori amos, rem and price, the igs
take up the most space on my shelf. i've been into them for a long time, and
they just keep getting better.

anyway, thanks, everyone, not only for the ig, but for being people who, in
that limited internet sense, i consider my friends. from books for my sister
to assistance finding out stuff about my soon-to-be new home, many of you all
have truly been kind friends in every sense. so thanks.

by the way, for those people who were trying to get my boot of the ames ia
concert, this move has taken up all my time and i've only had the chance to do
one copy (i can't remember who off the top of my head, but you're the one who
mailed me a tape, so look for it in your mailbox soon). the rest, i'll save
your e-mail addresses and after i get settled and back on line i'll let you
know and we'll get this thing going.

thanks again, everyone.

- paul

*********
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des moines symphony
221 walnut
des moines, ia 50309
515.243.1140
1-888-maestro
fax 515.243.1588
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www.dmsymphony.org

on mon, 26 jan 1998, sherlyn koo wrote:

> hey folks,
>
> we've been asked by the netspace admins to change the list
> configuration to reduce the amount of spam coming though.
> i'm going to do this tomorrow, and we'll try it out for a
> week.
>
> under the new configuration, only subscribers will be able
> to post to the list. this means that there'll be less spam
> for sure, but if you tend to post from different addresses
> you might find some of your posts being rejected. anyway,
> we'll see how it goes after a week...

damn good idea, and one which should have been put in place months, even
years ago. however, it might be an idea to also put in place a "white
list" of known ig-related addresses, such as administrators of major ig
web sites who aren't list subscribers

>....on the self-titled cover amy is wearing a white shirt .... and it's
>really hard to distinguish where the shirt ends and where amy begins

if you look real close you can see up near where the red necklace comes
down on her left shoulder region the edge of the t-shirt. :)

- rick

>the beginning of "welcome me" sounds a lot like that of "jonas and
>ezekiel," don't you think? (that was a question!)

if you remove the drums from jae, modify the guitar sounds in jae
to sound like hooting and only listen to wm until just after the
first guitar strum before she sings "welcome me...." then yeah,
they do kinda sound a little bit alike. :) it's too early.
i hate mornings. :)

- rick

hey kind friends,

has anyone ever heard of the band destiny?  a friend of mine loaned
me their cassette.  they have all lyrics on it but not one single
date anywhere.  i don't know if they're new, old or what.  they
sing about lesbian related topics.  some of the more notable
songs are "destiny," "softball on belmont plateau."

anyone know? :)

- rick

hey folks,

matthew said:
>damn good idea, and one which should have been put in place months, even
>years ago. however, it might be an idea to also put in place a "white
>list" of known ig-related addresses, such as administrators of major ig
>web sites who aren't list subscribers

oh, well, we're glad you approve.

there's a minor correction to what i said earlier,
folks:
subscribers will be able to post to the list, business
as always. non-subscribers who attempt to post to the
list will have their posts forwarded to a moderator
(me at this point in time) for "approval". if the
message isn't spam or in flagrant contravention of any
of the posting guidelines it should get approved with
no problem, just with maybe a few hours' delay in
transmission at the most.

i'll be putting this into place after i've had a good
nights' sleep, ie. tomorrow. :)

regarding matthew's other suggestion above - we'll see
how it goes. i think the best way is to build the list
over time rather than trying to cover all the bases
before the game even starts...

i'm off to bed. happy happy folks,
sherlyn
ps - happy australia day everyone. *grin*
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"and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

just in case anyone missed it, it looks like vh1 is rebroadcasting the
lilith fair special behind the music.  this is what rock on tv has to say:
6:00 pm
                            vh1
                                      behind the music
                                                   a look at lilith fair with interviews
                                                   from jewel, sarah mclachlan,
                                                   indigo girls, sheryl crow, meredith
                                                   brooks and shawn colvin; also
                                                   features appearances by lisa loeb,
                                                   paula cole and emmylou harris;
                                                   includes performance footage

this is a really good website. the address is:
http://www.rockontv.com/tue.html

take care!
tiffany

in a message dated 98-01-25 20:45:16 est, joan writes:

<<  anyway, i want to say that the person in the group who was the
least known was the one who blew me away the *most*   if anyone has the
opportunity to hear cindy bullens play, go see her!  she thrashes her
acoustic
guitar as much as amy does, and she plays with an incredible amount of soul.
her songs are really emotional and stirring. >>

if this is the same cindy bullens.... i remember buying an album of hers
(the vinyl kind) back in 1980 or so.
she then dissappeared.... i remember she came out as a bisexual
in promo interviews of the album, which was kind of unusual for the time.
glad to see she's back if it is the same person :)

claire

i am sorry to hear the news of the passing of mr. bunch.
although i never even exchanged private of public email with him
he certainly made an impression on me.
i will always remember my first week on the list coming right
in the middle of the famous sf boot debate ;)
he was a spicey guy.

claire

hey y'all,

i always thought that finlandia was an odd/interesting choice of a song for ig
to cover, odd only because it is relatively obscure.  then, yesterday in
church, while singing a song to the same "traditional english melody" used for
water is wide and looking up the reference in the back, i ran across
<drumroll> finlandia!  so apparently, a & e first encountered this song in the
methodist hymnal, probably even while singing in the choir.  now i know!

peace,

pam

hi all,
   yeah, so i'm still here...i got enough nice posts from listers i know
and new listers i'm glad to have met that convinced me that there are still
some nice people on here who, while they may not agree with my opinions, at
least try to respect them...
    but enough on that...
    for those of you who are newer here or those who forgot, there is an
irc channel on dalnet called #indigo-girls that was a lot of fun back when
people came into it. i've met some great people there, and it would be
wonderful to see more people there.  for those of you who are familar with
irc and maybe dalnet, just join #indigo-girls and go off to whatever other
channel you like until someone comes along who wants to chat, but for those
who don't know anything about irc and would like more info, you can email
me at this address or at school- parkersd@violet.umfacad.maine.edu
hope to hear from you and to see you online!
      peace,
            sharoane

hi all, another post from me,
       i just wanted to give a quick take on auctions...i've always been
against auctions that don't donate proceeds (when they go way above
something's true value) to charity.  i was a little skeptical when i heard
about some of the ones being held on here lately...i am sorry if my opinion
offends, but that' s the way i feel. however, i don't appreciate being
attacked for my views. firstly, i don't condemn the auctioneers on this
list...i know how it is to be poor and while i might not agree with them, i
do sympathize.  i respect them, i guess.   still, i have found plenty of
other ways that i feel are fairer to make money than take advantage of
someone who might go into hock in order to buy precious ig stuff...again,
this is my take on it.  i don't mean that anyone here is being deliberately
mean to others...not at all..after all, every item is worth what someone
else would pay for it.  anyway, i've talked with at least one person who is
auctioning on the list, and we seem to be cool, so you can all stop sending
me hate mail now...lol...
   peace,
       s

hi all,

        does anyone have a tape of the girls doing pink floyd's "wish
you were here"?  i'm a huge floyd fan first and foremost, so i'm
pretty interested in hearing their interpretation.  if you've got it
on tape, and are willing to trade, drop me a line.

thanks,
mike feeney

well, jae and welcome me handle similar sort of topics (i.e.
spirits, etc....), so that might explain why they use similar
instruments and rhythms.

(oh, btw - to anyone who knows me, it's good to be back.)

john.

peppermint patty : "happiness is a warm puppy, a b plus..."

marcie : "and kind friends"

(charlie brown and snoopy show)

>if this is the same cindy bullens.... i remember buying an album of hers
>(the vinyl kind) back in 1980 or so.
>she then dissappeared.... i remember she came out as a bisexual
>in promo interviews of the album, which was kind of unusual for the time.
>glad to see she's back if it is the same person :)

is this the same cindy bullens from the grease soundtrack? she sang "it's
raining on prom night" and one other song, i think. that's pretty
interesting, if it's the same person....

rich benson
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at 07:02 pm 1/22/98 -0800, leslie holeman <holeman@cats.ucsc.edu> wrote:
>what i want to know is, should i bother? i mean, is somebody out there
>planning on taking nice equipment in and doing a soundboard recording?

a soundboard recording is one taken from that huge soundboard in the middle
of the venue. you won't be able to sneak a soundboard in, you generally
need to know someone or give the sound guy a really nice present to get one
of those. :-)

if any of you are booting the shows, please please please don't use those
crappy memorex tapes that seem to be so popular of late. i've been getting
a few shows with a lot of distortion, and memorex are the *worst* in that
regard. they have very little range, it's not worth the few bucks you
might save on a box of tapes.

i am dying to get cut it out / wish you were here!  while i'm not what you
would call a pink floyd fan, wywh is one of my favorite albums.  i just
bought the newly re-mastered cd, which also includes all of the original
artwork, which is great.  i'm counting on you west coast folks to come
through for us!

--
deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo

at 09:50 pm 1/24/98 -0400, rhcp@alpha.wcoil.com wrote:
>alright, this is probably old news ta' most of you, but tonight i
>stumbled upon a picture of a little 2 year old amy (i *think* she was 2
>anyhoo!) in a cowboy outfit (hat and all) :)

i really hate it when people rip images off of their original sites and
post them to their own, when the original is still online. that picture is
from the spirit of '73 compilation, and you will find the authorized site
for it on my ig index <http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo/indigo.html>, and
emily's pic from '73 (?) is there too.

---<>---

at 02:38 pm 1/24/98 -0500, rhonda j buckman <rjbuck@juno.com> wrote:
>i am recently new to the list...but the posts about the west coast shows
>(i am in ohio) have got me bummin bad. my favorite song...for personal
>reasons...is "loves recovery" and in the 10 concerts that i have seen
>sinse '91 ( yeah i am poor...but getting better, 2 in one month last
>dec,!) i have never heard them play that tune live.

wow! that is unlucky! for the longest time, i was wondering if i'd ever
see a show *without* that song (which i don't care for)!

---<>---
at 10:16 pm 1/25/98 -0500, fauna88 <fauna88@aol.com> wrote:
>three.  well, not really a question, but i'll make it one.  does anyone ever
>in their minds, or even on remixes, try and categorize ig music into
different
>groups?  hey touchy people, don't flame me - of course i still think that
>listening to the actual albums themselves are the best, but it's still fun
>when you're in a partick mood for something.  right now, i'm just making a
>basic 2-tape set of amy songs which move me or are just delicious.

i've done exactly that, and my amy tapes are always in heavy rotation in my
car! i'm hoping to get a minidisc recorder to make mixes with soon...

--
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"the journey forward includes movement through despair and darkness"
- jane siberry, ""you will be born"

>---------- forwarded message ----------
>date: fri, 23 jan 1998 08:16:08 -0800
>from: stephen clayton <stecla@cm2.com>
>to: 'matthew j smith' <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
>subject: re: email spam - the call is free!! (fwd)
>
>we would appreciate it if you did this to the spammers as well...
>we can't stop it... there are a few things that people say you can
>do but it's not as easy as they make it seem...

yes it is, and most isps have already taken the required steps to keep
spammers from sending mail from their servers (keeping sent spam from
delivery is the hard part). this moron is just as bad a system
administrator as he is a correspondent.

thanks to sherlyn for taking the steps necessary to remedy the problem on
this list.

re: quoting -- it would be helpful if list members left public reminders to
sherlyn, and sent your comments directly to the offenders, who may not
realize that a) there was a list reminder, or b) "this means you".
cluttering the entire list with complaints about wasted bandwidth from a
few people doesn't seem very productive, so perhaps you can write those
folks privately and ask them nicely if they can cut back on the quotes.
most folks are just oblivious to the fact that they're posting habits are
annoying, and are more than happy to oblige once informed.

finally, yes, this list is going through part of its usual cycle... this is
the stage where the discussion of the new album and tour have worn thin,
and the list falls back into much nigc and sniping at one another. that's
when i tend to start mass deleting until the next cd release. that's the
only real solution for those who really aren't here for the generic
chatter; it's hard to get an igc discussion going when you've discussed it
all before, and there's nothing new going on. i'm going to try to hang in
through the end of the tour, in hopes that we'll see some good reviews.
hopefully the ig-news list will be established soon as an alternative.

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hey y'all..

since we are all letting everybody in on "who is who in really cool music"
i thought i would mention another atlanta artist who hails from detroit t
everyone..
if you haven't seen the rock version of michelle penn, well let me just tell
ya, it's a lot of fun.. and her acoustic show isn't bad either.. for you
atlanta folks, she is scheduled to open for lift on thursday night at 8pm at
edddie's attic.
her music is a mix of rock, blues and a folk.. if you can imagine that.. she's
got a strong voice and songs of lost love, life and a little angst..
some of you may have seen her in the "jesus christ superstar" video from
ausitn texas.
her latest cd is called "how do you live" and features a guest apperance by
will turpin of collective soul. ( available at fine stores near you!)
just check her out.. trust me.. you will not be dissapointed.......
and
check out her web site at www.michellepenn.com

later..
elizabeth

hi everyone,
i ordered the so and rop songbooks from ladyslipper the other day -
tried to order nis but they no longer carry it. does anyone know where i
can find it? also, are there still songbooks available for sf and ig?
i've seen the tab websites, but would really like to get the books too.
thanks.
sandy

about:
"i wish i was a nomad, an indian or saint"
tony wrote:
--(life's not easy...i wish it were! i must concentrate on my spiritual
awareness)
i dont know, maybe i'm not getting what you're saying.
for me, that part always meant that she wishes she would be a n*i*s
because these people live in close relation with nature-the world that
falls on me. she realizes that often in our lives we must remember whats
most important, not be invaded by trivialized info and/or futile
preoccupations. by wanting to be a n*i*s, its wanting to go back to what
really matters, the forgotten values.
amy said about that song, its like when you go to the zoo and you realize
all the animals are in cages. when you see all the beauty of the world,
you sadly realize at the same time that most of it is in danger, higly
exploited, and too many people dont give a damn. where's the key to the
cage?????
wha, thats the way i see it!
see ya'll around !

july, who tried her best to express in english what she had to say, but
who suddenly feels amazingly french! ;)

are these songd the same as sibelius's finlandia?  i have not heard
water is wide or ig's take on finlandia enough to make any judgements.
i don't think finalnia in the sibelius version would have been an old
english melody--sibelius was too steeped in his finnishness (now 'taint
that a funny sounding word!!).  is an arrangement of his piece the
finnish nat'l anthem?  it seems as if the slow middle part is probably
what they would have sang, if this is what they sang, and it sound
familiar to me because in h.s. marching band we'd play chorales for the
memorial day ceremonies, and we played a finlandia.
--carol

>i always thought that finlandia was an odd/interesting choice of a song
for ig
>to cover, odd only because it is relatively obscure. then, yesterday
in
>church, while singing a song to the same "traditional english melody"
used for
>water is wide and looking up the reference in the back, i ran across
><drumroll> finlandia!

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i've been posting a lot lately, and a lot of people are either ready to
kill me or are sending me lots of mail in support for my opinions.
  i have a question for all of you, and for those of you who have so far
been taking everything i say with a large dose of hostility, this question
is not meant as criticism so much as to get an idea of what everyone
thinks-sort of like a survey.
    i've been seeing a lot of posts sent to me and to several others
asking us to get off certain topics because they aren't igc, even though
some of them did include the indigo girls.  i want to know--what
determines legitimate igc, and if i can't post things that refer to the
girls, then why can others post nigc topics and get away wit hit.  i am
curious what you define as okay for the list...
    so let's find out what we all consider to be good topics for this
list, and while you are at it, answer me this--
   who gets to decide for the rest of us? and, in the spirit of the indigo
girls, why do we promote censorship?
           thoughtfully,
                   sharoane

hey folks,

carol asked:
>are these songd the same as sibelius's finlandia? i have not heard

the indigo version is "finlandia" really is something
special. the lyrics go like this:

===
this is my song
oh god of all the nations
a song of peace
for lands of foreign mind

this is my home
the country where my heart is
here are my hopes
my dreams my holy shrine

but other hearts
in other lands are beating
with hopes and dreams
as true and high as mine

my countries skies
are bluer than the ocean
and sunlight beams
on clover leaf and pine

but other lands
have sunlight too and clover
and skies are everywhere
as blue as mine

oh hear my song
oh god of all the nations
a song of peace
for their land and for mine
===

it's one of my favourite ig covers - i remember standing
in the rain in cleveland (or someplace in ohio anyway, i
don't remember exactly :) in 1994, listening to amy and
emily sing it acapella with caroline aiken. what a
moment...

i'm about to change the list config folks - i'll mail more
after that -
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

in a message dated 98-01-25 00:24:47 est, cml@mindspring.com writes:

<< cathy and i are wondering what is hanging from michelle malone's guitar on
the #5 picture from the insert in "back on the bus, y'all". we seem to
think it's a bra...but does anyone know how or why it's there? the girls
obviously got a great kick out of this!! >>

yeah! that's what i thought it was! i just posted that same question on the ig
message board and they seemed to agree that it looked like a bra. who knows!
dana

hey folks, i forgot this one before -

has anyone heard of a compilation called "women and songs"?
i heard it mentioned on another mailing list - the track
listing is below (note ctf is #12). i have a vague feeling
it may be a canadian thing but i'm not sure.

1.jewel - foolish games (radio version)
2.jann arden - good mother
3.sarah mclachlan - i will remember you
4.paula cole - where have all the cowboys gone?
5.ebtg - missing (amplified heart album mix)
6.alana davis - 32 flavours
7.dna w suzanne vega - tom's diner (7" version)
8.beth nielsen chapman - sand and water
9.pretenders - i'll stand by you
10.kacy crowley - hand to mouthville
11.k.d. lang - constant craving
12.indigo girls - closer to fine
13.donna lewis - i love you always forever
14.mila mason - dark horse
15.the corrs - runaway
16.weeping tile - dogs and thunder
17.emmylou harris - goodbye

the list config's been changed but i don't have time
to post about it now - i'll do so when i get to work.
also, i wanted to address the issue sharon brought
up. but, i'm late for work so later, later -
sherlyn
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"and when you wake up from this night, we'll start a new beginning,
show the earth her due respect, create new laws for living..."
- sally fingerett

>has anyone heard of a compilation called "women and songs"?

anone else think the list of songs on this is oddly eclectic? the mix of
old (like, early 90's...ie toms diner) and new (paula cole) and the
different genre is, let us say, unique, and not something i would have ever
expected...it is amazing how music can mesh like that...so different and
foreign to each other, yet still binded together...weird, but cool.

can you tell i just got back from a college seminar?
alisa

if anyone is interested in more chiapas info, there is an excellent
overview of the most recent massacre in "in these times", a biweekly
publication that has been keeping up with the zapatista plight a bit more
competently than any other magazine or newspaper. the current issue also
has an article on mexican workers attempts at unionism in the face of
rampant corporate exploitation, that pro-zapatistas might also find
interesting.
there's also an ad for a cornell published journal that produced a
special edition on "indigenous viewpoints on the political situation in
southern mexico." and an ad for a two week "reality" tour to cuba and
chiapas for those with money and a progressive spirit.

and finally, keeping in mind that a&e are constantly trying to get
us politically involved, here is the latest on an especially disturbing
story related to me by anne weiss, a really neat folksinger. (and a
reminder of how much we take political music and political action for
granted in our free country)

>don't forget about ngawang choephel: my tibetan friend has been
re-dissapeared by the chinese authorities into the prison system of
tibet. ngawang was sentenced last year to 18 (now 17 more) years
incarceration for trying to make an amateuar video documentary about
traditonal tibetan music and dance. since his sentencing there has been
no word as to his wherabouts or well-being, and family members are not
allowed any kind of access to him. any action you take on his behalf,
such as writing letters to our government, china's government,
or letters to your local paper and representatives...staging a
protest...having a "video-in" (show a group of friends the video about
him) may keep him from being tortured or killed, and may help win his
release. never underestimate your ability to have an impact. for more
information, contact the international campaign for tibet:
#202-785-1515; www.savetibet.org

thank you from my heart.

>anne weiss

okay. here goes! i made a boot of the seattle shows and the portland show.
the set lists were pretty much the same and i goofed up on thursday night, so
i would recommend the friday seattle show.

i haven't offered to make tapes for the general public before so i don't know
the routine. don't email me yet if you want boots just email me if you have
any suggestions on how to handle this.

anne

(hoping she hasn't bitten off more than she can chew :) )

someone, in quoting the lyrics to finalandia, rendered the first stanza thus:

>this is my song
>oh god of all the nations
>a song of peace
>for lands of foreign mind

i've always heard the last line as "for lands afar, and mine." anyone know
what the words actually are? (i think they're printed on the sleeve for the
original ep, but my copy is in atlanta right now in a friend's guest
bedroom, along with my stereo system and any number of other things which
don't fit in my dorm room).

deanna

did anyone boot the portland show? i'd love to hear it! i looooove vonda
shepard's song "maryland"!!!

:-) karen

due to illness, i have 2 extra tix for tuesday at the warfield. they
are general admission, $32.50 each. if interested, email me privately.

thanks,
devin

it is indeed

"for lands afar and mine"

the original was in our hymnbook in church choir

and we sand it all the time.

;)

-larissa

(going to the girls in an hour!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!)

---deanna light <drlight@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> someone, in quoting the lyrics to finalandia, rendered the first
stanza thus:
>
> >this is my song
> >oh god of all the nations
> >a song of peace
> >for lands of foreign mind
>
> i've always heard the last line as "for lands afar, and mine."
anyone know
> what the words actually are?  (i think they're printed on the sleeve
for the
> original ep, but my copy is in atlanta right now in a friend's guest
> bedroom, along with my stereo system and any number of other things
which
> don't fit in my dorm room).
>
> deanna
>
> --
> please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
>       long signatures or flames to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

==
blessings,

ms. oak

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hi all

so glad to see this song come up for discussion. it's long been right up
there in my top 3 ig songs. my memories of this song are as hard to explain
as my feelings about the first time i heard amy do a soc in chickenman.
i'll never be able to quite put it into words.

for me, world falls hit me one night like no song had ever hit me before. i
was living by myself for the first time, fresh out of home and only had
only got nis a few weeks earlier. falling asleep one night to the tape i
had of it, i really listenend to world falls for the first time and my god,
it was the most powerful experience! it jolted me awake and my heart
pounded, i cried and thought this was one of the most intense moments of my
life. can i say why? not really but it was closely tied in with all that
they sing about. it was like feeling truly alive, being aware of being
alive, being aware of the existence of the whole world, of beauty and
wonder, of pain and joy, everything. it's all as vague and as precise as
that. this song never loses the wonder for me.

helen

did anybody go see sonia at the 8x10?

is it just me or was she totally not into it...

the reason these two songs sound the same at the start is because they
start with the same chord with a capo on the second fret.....i love playing
them both.....amy's songs are so much easier to play. :-)

helen

hi, i am arriving in lax at 12:45 in the afternoon on 1/30
and am hoping to get to universal ampitheatre from there.
my friend will be working all day so can't pick me up. does
anyone have suggestions, or are making the same trip
sometime that afternoon and wouldn't mind me tagging
along?

thanks!
elizabeth from denver

hey y'all,

i've been looking for a couple of songs and am hoping that some kind friend
out there can help me out. my boot list has gotten pretty full, so i would
love to trade. here's what i need:

1) a boot of a concert where ig did help me make it throught the night and
here i am w/ kelly hogan. i know they did these at a chicago concert in
november.

2) any concert where brown-eyed girl or knockin' on heaven's door was covered

3) any early boot with an emily song called half moon cafe.

help!!!! :-) anybody have any of these? i would really be grateful.

peace,

pam

they did an absolutely beautiful song in orlando in november that seemed
to be something along the lines of "moment of forgiveness", and i was
wondering if anyone happened to have a boot with this on it...
thanks...
kim
kas28024@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/5420

i think that cd is canadian, like sherlyn thought. they were selling it
in the price club or whatever they call it when i was in toronto. i was
excited about the artists on it until i saw which songs were on it...the
same ones as always...

sarah

>> to all you penis haters. your father has one.

i know. i can't stand him either.
-kate

grnpeace@fullnet.com

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scriptures and dictate my offerings- i found my god in myself,
around myself- in every moment and piece of matter.
everything is animate." a. ray

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hkf's

at 01:53 pm 1/26/98 -0500, july wrote:
>about:
>"i wish i was a nomad, an indian or saint"
>tony wrote:
>--(life's not easy...i wish it were! i must concentrate on my spiritual
> awareness)
>i dont know, maybe i'm not getting what you're saying.
>for me, that part always meant that she wishes she would be a n*i*s
>because these people live in close relation with nature-the world that
>falls on me. she realizes that often in our lives we must remember whats
>most important, not be invaded by trivialized info and/or futile
>preoccupations. by wanting to be a n*i*s, its wanting to go back to what
>really matters, the forgotten values.

        i like your version of that line.  thank goodness we can all see the
same things differently :)
        on second reflection, i can see several themes in the line "i wish i
was a nomad and indian or a saint.":
        1. amy has also said the song is about "the edge of death" and how
she has a real hard time dealin' with it...not with the pain of dying, but
of making the instant post-death transition at some specific point in the
future.
        so being a saint might be the most preferable path to avoid the
concern with the edge of death (this is, you know where you are going
immediately at death -- heaven, right?).
        being a nomad implies to me a state of mind.  you have no roots, no
home, nothing material - you live one day at a time and no more.  the future
is of little consequence to you and the edge of death poses little, if any,
concern.
        being an indian also suggests to me a state of mind.  generally
speaking, american indians believe in animism and reincarnation.  the
journey of "life" goes through many existences and to pass from one to the
next is a sought after experience.
        2.  there is the spiritual connection too.
        a nomad has none of the "excess baggage" that weigh most of us down.
her reality is very personal, uncluttered, intense and important!  in a way,
it seems to me that a nomad may be more connected spiritually to the "human
experience".
        indians, as we all know, are sacred, spiritual and way cool!
        saints are like really cool and religious, too!  i can't help but
thinking of mother teresa.  i wonder if she fretted over the "edge of death"?
        3.  and as july mentioned, there is the natural connection.
        indians and nomads would likely be more connected to the natural
world and intune with it's insights.
        saints, i suppose may or may not be connected to nature, yet they
generally have a higher connection :)

let's hear more please~~
doolittle

hey peoples!

if you haven't played double jeopardy yet, you still have until
wednesday, noon, c.s.t. to reply.

here's double jeopardy - please reply privately!

categories - ig list, acronyms, bootlegs, ig songs, sots

ig list -

$200 the first place to look for ig information or list information
*before* posting to the list?

$400 the ig list is primarily a forum where ig fans can discuss this?

$600 maximum recommended length of a signature on the list?

acronyms

$200 rop?

$400 latul?

$600 soc?

bootlegs -

$200 the term of the method most commonly used to mass-distribute a
bootleg tape to list members?

$400 what will a&e most likely do to you if they find out *you* have a
bootleg of one of their performances?

$600 what will a&e most likely do to you if they find out you are
*selling* unauthorized bootlegs of their performances?

ig songs -

$200 "all skate, now reverse" refers to this activity (be specific)?

$400 this song, "is sort of about decomposition in general.
decomposition of love, life and fame. everything."? - amy

$600 what is the music box playing at the end of "this train revised"?

sots -

$200 what does "doolittle all day" refer to?

$400 where is gainesville town?

$600 who is harriet the spy?

hey folks,

they were just talking about the "shed your skin" remix on the
radio here - whoohoo. (and now they're playing "love shack",
go figure. :)

anyway. first of all - the list config has been changed, and
we're now running under the new config. basically:

1) subscribers to the list (both bounce and digest) will be
able to post as usual - nothing's changed there.

2) any messages from non-subscribers will be forwarded to me
first. i'll look them over; if they're geniune i'll approve
them and they'll be sent to the list. if they're spam or
whatnot, i'll discard them and they'll never reach the list.

essentially, nothing's changed for 99% of the people on the
list. some people might find that some of their posts need
approval, if their email address has changed since they first
subscribed, or if they tend to post from more than one
address. there are a couple of ways to get around this, so if
it happens to you, just drop me a note and i'll help you sort
it out.

okay, i think that's all about that.  i wanted to respond to
this note from sharon parker (time to try to clarify my pov
a little more)...
> some of them did include the indigo girls.  i want to know--what
> determines legitimate igc, and if i can't post things that refer to the
> girls, then why can others post nigc topics and get away wit hit.  i am
> curious what you define as okay for the list...

well, "igc" and "nigc" are very nebulous terms - i don't think
we'd get two answers the same on that question from any two
people on this list. that said...

a certain amount of nigc has always been the norm on this list,
and i don't foresee that ever changing. but, i don't think
that this is necessarily the forum for extended nigc discussion.
the primary focus of this list is, after all, the music of ig.
other things sort of come around the edges... and as for what
actually constitutes igc, tangential igc or nigc - well, it's a
whole gray area sort of thing, no one can say for certain.
the best we can do is to take things on a case by case basis.

(pretty vague huh?)

> who gets to decide for the rest of us? and, in the spirit of the indigo
> girls, why do we promote censorship?

well, if you're referring to me - yes, i admit that i feel that
i've maybe had to be a little heavy handed here lately.  but.
i do feel it's my duty to step in and stop flame wars if
they're happening, because people get sucked in and they always
have such a detrimental effect on list morale.  and yes, if
there's a nigc debate going on that doesn't seem to be going
anywhere but in circles, i'll step in and ask for it to be taken
to private email as well.  otherwise the debate may well drag
on for weeks, which again has a detrimental effect on list
morale...

i don't see it as censorship, i see it more as attempting to try
to keep the list somewhat "on focus". as for what's okay to
post to the list or not - well, most things that have at least
some ig connection (eg chiapas-related posts) are okay, as are
most things that are of interest of a large portion of the list
(eg the pride related posts that pop up from time to time).
but if someone wanted to start a thread about how the pride
parade in south podunk affects the left-handed lemur farmers
of south antarctica, this probably wouldn't be the best place
to do so (haha, i bet they have a newsgroup for that)...

now, i bet none of that made anything any clearer. and like i
said - there are no absolute answers to any of the questions
sharon brought up. but, i'm going to lunch now so that's all
you're getting from me for now. :)

happy happy folks,
sherlyn
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sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [currently at work or someplace.]
"i hope i didn't brain my damage!" - homer simpson

heyhey all...

so, as long as we are on the subject of ig songs sounding like other ig songs,
i thought id bust outta lurkdom and yack for a sec about a few songs that
sound veryvery similar. anyone ever noticed similarities in the beginning of
strange fire and land of canaan? and then also, on the brown disc of curfews
(sorry, dunno to know if its disc on or two), but the beginning of tangled up
in blue sounds eerily like the beginning of least complicated. sorry if this
has already been brought up, ive not been on the list for too long. but
sooo...anyone else noticed this? or did i just forget to take my meds again?
hmms. well. :) take good cares.

love and lemonade,
tara ;)~

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"girls got balls. theyre just a little higher up."
~joan jett
**************************

hey kind friends. . .

does anybody have any chords/tab to either love will come to you or em's
guitar solo in galileo? i can't find these anywhere. . .and i'm much too
lazy to try and figure them out myself right now. . .

i was wondering if anyone had any insight on touch me fall they'd like to
share? i was listening to it the other day. . .really listening to it,
thinking about all the words and trying to figure out what they mean. i
think somewhere in the faq it says that it's about fall (hence the title,
"touch me fall"), but i don't know. . .the beginning kind of seems like
it is, but the rest of it seems like something completely different.
whenever i hear that second part:

"jump, jump, jump so high, watch me let you down
if i stumble, i will stumble, if i fall, i will fall
i'm trying to hold it like rain in a river
everything is getting bigger
better this won't last forever, touch me fall."

i always think of a relationship (whether it's friendship or love), when
you're first getting to know someone. you've just met them, and from what
they see of you on the surface, they might think you're a great person,
and have all these great expectations of you. but you're worried that
when they see you do something wrong, or see your darker side, they'd be
disappointed with what they thought you were and turn away from you.
that's what i always thought the line, "touch me fall" meant--someone
"touches" you (gets to know you), expecting something wonderful, and then
"falls" (is disappointed) when they get a reality check and realize that
there's more to you than what they thought--and that some of it may be
things that they don't like. is that making sense to anybody? or am i
just rambling. . .? anyway, that's my little interpretation of it (well,
part of it, actually)--i'd love to hear what they rest of you have to
say.

all things indigo,
kristina :o)

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hi y'all! i just heard that ig will be on a pbs show!!! does anyone know
anything about this? like when and what show??? please e-mail me if you
have any info!

:-) karen

huge collosal request!!!!!

i have just been informed that my best friend and i were on the
<color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>lilith vh1 special</color>. had no
idea, and haven't seen the special because i don't have vh1...anyways,
if anyone would be my angel and possibly send me a
<color><param>0000,0000,ffff</param>copy of it</color>...i can pay for
shipping and a tape, or can repay the kind soul with boots...please
help make two pittsburgh lilith fair goers
<color><param>ffff,0000,0000</param>very very happy</color>!

on the edge of hysteria,

and hoping for responses,

alisa

in a message dated 98-01-26 22:48:03 est, you write:

<< but the beginning of tangled up
in blue sounds eerily like the beginning of least complicated. >>

hey y'all,

it sure does!  in fact, i have a boot where emily starts least complicated,
realizes that it sounds like she's starting tuib and says something like "i
totally stole those chords!"  if i can remember what boot, i'll find the exact
quote.  anybody else remember that moment?

pam

in a message dated 98-01-26 22:48:03 est, you write:

<< so, as long as we are on the subject of ig songs sounding like other ig
songs,
i thought id bust outta lurkdom and yack for a sec about a few songs that
sound veryvery similar. >>

hey all-
i noticed this when sots first came out: at one point in the song, caramia
sounds a lot like mystery. i'd hate to think emily is running out of
melodies!!! any other similarities?
~liz~

thank you all so much for all the offers...in less than an hour i have
received about 8 responses. thats why i love this list! so, all is well
and good and i thank you all again. =-)

having a much better evening,
alisa

thought y'all might be interested in this story that just turned up today
on the wall of sound site.

helen

monday, january 26, 1998

    indigo girls kick off tour; emily
    saliers to record with vonda
    shepard

    the indigo girls kicked off latest leg of their shaming of the sun tour
    last thursday with two sold-out shows at seattle's paramount
    theatre. each night had a different feel and a remarkably different set
    list, but both were classic indigo girls performances: high-end
    folk-rock with an emphasis on the rock. the first night started with a
    special treat for the audience�a surprise opening set by
    singer-songwriter vonda shepard, who can be seen weekly on fox's
    ally mcbeal. indigo girl emily saliers joined shepard onstage for a
    duet of "don't break my heart slow." shepard then whispered into
    ray's ear, before ray stepped up to the mic and announced, "we'll
    be recording this one together. you're the first to hear about it."

    the girls' own set began with both saliers and amy ray playing
    acoustic guitars on "wood song." by the end of the night, the duo
    had paraded out a host of instruments, including mandolin, banjo,
    dobro, and keyboards. thursday saw shepard contributing piano to
    one song, while david ellison (formerly of the royal crescent mob
    and currently employed as the duo's tour manager) took the stage
    briefly on friday for a hefty harmonica solo. members of seattle's
    billie tipton memorial saxophone quartet, who played several lilith
    fair dates with ray and saliers last summer, played on a handful of
    songs both nights. although the tour continues in support of the
    indigo girls' latest album, shaming of the sun, thursday was the
    only evening that saw a wealth of songs performed from the disc.
    friday's show, which included a cover of dire strait's "romeo and
    juliet," featured only four of the new tunes among a cache of older
    songs that were warmly receiv
ve always had the ability to connect with their
    audience; honest and open onstage, there's never any doubt that
    they are giving a genuine performance. for this tour, they've dropped
    their backup band ("it's scary!" commented saliers), and they appear
    to be playing anything they want. such freedom is easy when the
    audience knows the material so well; at several points in the two
    shows, the girls backed up from microphones and let the vocal
    crowd take over. encores both nights included the debut of a new
    song, "winthrop," performed as a solo piano piece by saliers, and
    the friday finale featured yet another special addition: a cover of
pink
    floyd's "wish you were here."--anders wright

sherlyn wrote:

>hey folks,

>carol asked:
>>are these songd the same as sibelius's finlandia? i have not heard

>the indigo version is "finlandia" really is something
>special. the lyrics go like this:

>===
>this is my song
>oh god of all the nations etc.

lest anyone think a&e wrote these lyrics, let me just mention that i found this version of finlandia in my "rise up singing" book (a popular compilation of folk songs--a must-have if you're into singing/playing folk music), and it says the words were written in 1934 by someone named lloyd stone, and it is given the title "song of peace". and i agree, it is something special.

my first exposure to the finlandia melody, long before i knew ig had used it, was when it was sung at my (catholic) church, with a lyric titled "stewards of earth".

peace,
barb, who was away for the weekend and came home to over 200 e-mails!

ig are sched to be on austin city limits - sat, feb 28, 1998 on *some*
pbs stations. check your local listings, times and dates may vary.

rockontv has up-to-date tv info for everything related to pop music.

weekly (mon - sun): http://www.rockontv.com/index.html

near future: http://www.rockontv.com/coming.html

you can sign-up at the sight to receive weekly updates by e-mail.

don't forget to bookmark the above urls - so you'll never miss another
chance to see spice girls again!!!... oh... sorry, wrong list... ;)

peace...
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forwarded from alt.music.indigo-girls (headers trimmed). enjoy!
-anne

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from: sctantrums@aol.com (sctantrums)
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subject: re: seattle show question
date: 26 jan 1998 06:14:01 gmt

hey y'all! this is danielle howle and the tantrums writing in from portland or
just checking out the web and the ig news. we are opening for the girls for 8
more shows, touring until the pheonix gig, and playing all the shows except for
the first night at san fran. thanks to those who had kind things to say about
danielle and our band, we are thrilled to be on tour out west and with the
indigo girls. hey, we are updating a on-the-road journal from our web page,
http://members.aol.com/sctantrums ....please check it out f you're interested.
thanks!

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in the passed couple of months i had read  about everybody
opinions about the girls.. that makes me really happy to see that a lot of
people in today's society  can be conneted by the music crated by this two
talented ladies.   i know this is not really deep, but it comes from my
heart.  i am sad i cannot recived any more msg from you all, so please
erase me from the list.....:(
        thank you.
        doll

at the berkeley show on 7-6-97,
they started to play least complicated
& em started to sind tuib.
she then says:
i ripped those chords off & didn't even know it.

then they did play lc.

'night
jami
jamik@juno.com

you know this has no place on the list and not the i know i cant stand him
but the penis haters comment remember the girls teach tolerance and
respect

on mon, 26 jan 1998, kate wrote:

> >> to all you penis haters.  your father has one.
>
> i know.  i can't stand him either.
>                                                   -kate
>

as im sitting here listening to this train revised, my boyfriend and i are
fighting over whether emily or superman would win in a contest...i say
emily would win, because...shes emily of the indigo girls...but he says
superman would beat her at anything...just some thoughts....
have an indigo day!
jeanette

                so what is love then, is it dictated or chosen
                does it sing like the hyms of 1000 years or is
                it just pop emotion 'and if it was ever here and
                it left does it mean it never was true?
                                 emily sailers
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emily all the way, bay-bee!!!

amy m.

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it's not just similarities in the chords i've noticed, it's, espcially with
emily, a similarity of chord patters. for guitar players, look at closer to
fine, the wood song, hey jesus for eg, they all feel kind of the same in
that emily, in these songs, has this pattern of using one or two frets
starting with a g based chord moving to a d one etc etc. i'm really not
very technical at all - someone out there would know a better way of saying
this....anyone know what i mean??

helen

        it's really amaze to notice that finlandia is so popular outside finland.
        it really is a great song. is there anyone, who have seen that great b/w
        war movie, linna's "unknown soldier"? at the end of that film, when the war
        is over, after a huge silence, finlandia begins.

        my brother makes his own songs with computer and i have those staffs to
        finlandia-song, so it seems that there will be finlandia also in computer
        version. if interested, i will post this to anyone who wants it. also you may
        ask anything about finlandia/finland or jean sibelius, our great composer.

        ==================================================
        kimmo viitanen       kotka, finland, europe, earth
        fidonet: 2:223/40    e-mail:  fiasg4w9@ibmmail.com
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tell him she would win cause she is real and super man aint

on mon, 26 jan 1998, jeanette lynn wrote:

> as im sitting here listening to this train revised, my boyfriend and i are
> fighting over whether emily or superman would win in a contest...i say
> emily would win, because...shes emily of the indigo girls...but he says
> superman would beat her at anything...just some thoughts....
> have an indigo day!
> jeanette
>

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okay y'all i am thoroughly pissed and what do you bet i am not the only one? i go away for two days and come back to sixteen digests, and most of them talk about goddess or not, flame or not, bitch or not. i don't care!!! and nor do the other 800 people on here. this is an ig list. stick to ig please. and no name calling on here! it sucks.

if you need people to chat with about this and that, visit a coffee shop, not the ig list. if you need to talk about your broken heart or your horrible ole sucky significant other, visit a counselor, not the ig list. if you want information about another artist, visit an internet search engine, not the ig list. come back to the ig list only if you can't find it any other way. if you want to flame someone, visit them at their personal email address, not the ig list.

yes we all try to be a helpful community and try to be good to each other, but things are getting really ridiculous on here. i come back every monday, retrieve my mail-always more than a dozen digests-and get pissy. and don't tell me to just delete mail unread...how do i know i won't miss information about a boot or a concert if i do that??

sorry about this rant, i have been on here for more than a year and the old-timers will know i don't get on here just to flame people but i truly can't stand it anymore and i know it is not just me.

you have the right to flame me in return i suppose but i am not going to respond to flames. and for heaven's sake use private email if you must flame me or anyone else.

urvashi

to anyone who is knowledgable about
record conventions --

is there a list of traveling record conventions
on the net somewhere so i can find out when
and where they are being held?  i am looking
to go to one of these for the first time in my
life and really don't know where to start looking.
i'm close to chicago and i know they must
periodically have them, but i've never heard
about them if they do.  (net surfing is frustrating
when you don't have hours to spend on it, so
i'm hoping someone can help me out with
some info.  please e-mail me privately.)

thanks,
lisa

sarah pinsker <spinsker@goucher.edu> wrote:

>i think that cd is canadian, like sherlyn thought. they were selling it
>in the price club or whatever they call it when i was in toronto. i was
>excited about the artists on it until i saw which songs were on it...the
>same ones as always...

i think it's just awesome to be able to throw a cd in a player and
have an instant mix of all those great artists, though, whether or
not the songs are old and overplayed.  it's the diversity in sounds and
voices from song to song that makes it a great listening experience.
put together with all those other songs and artists, you could get a
whole new feel for a song.  it can get a whole new flavor and renew
your interest.  try it....it's worked for me on several occasions.

would someone in canada pick women & songs up for me?

on that note, check out "amazing grace", which has got these
artists:

ani difranco - amazing grace (great opener - creative ani!)
uman - the white spirit (new to me, but oh so wonderful, kinda
        new-age native american sounding stuff)
p.m. dawn - set adrift on memory bliss (overplayed, but very cool!)
jane siberry - calling all angels (live) (nice!)
djamel ben yelles - unfinished story (new age, reminds me of the
       uplifting sounds of yanni)
the cranberries - dreaming my dreams (live)
       (can you go wrong with live?)
bob marley - redemption song (yes, the same one amy covers
       as a solo tune in recent ig shows....great just in that, but
       bob marley is great in himself)
automatic baby - one (live) (obviously, this cd is not like a lot of
       the other ones...if it gives you old radio tunes, you'll get 'em
live
       and new...pretty cool...i don't consider this an overplayed tune,
       though.)
angelique kidjo - summertime (great ethnic african sound, first
       opportunity i had to hear her, although i've heard of her)
melissa etheridge - i will never be the same (live)
       (heck, neither will i!)
wally badarou - rain (a comforting piano tune....more diversity of
       sound)
daniel lanois - amazing grace, featuring aaron neville (ohhhhhhh!
        as creative as ani's, but a different sound...especially when it
        picks up in the middle)
________

i wanna know what amazing person had such wonderful creative
vision to meld all these sounds together. so diverse, yet so
complementary to each other. get this cd....it is worth it!!!!

again, would someone in canada pick women & songs up for me?

lisa

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i'm not good at giving reviews so i'll let someone else give a more in-depth
review of the san francisco show
.
but i have to say one of the highlights was a surprise appearance by joan
baez.
she first came out and sang on 'welcome me' to thunderous applause.  she then
left.   the girls started playing 'chickenman' and in the middle of the song,
joan came out and started doing a chicken dance, it was absolutely out of this
world.
she started grooving up to emily, then she strutted over and started pecking
on amy - the girls could hardly keep a straight face.   but the real, real
highlight for me was seeing amy sing 'romeo and juliet'.  i know - no surprise
for a lot of people since she's been doing it for the past few shows - but it
still rung my bell.

also vonda sheppard was great to see open the show. i look forward to seeing
the show on tuesday. the girls rock!!!

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i am creeping out of lurkdom to share my thoughts on tonights show. please be
kind. i have never shared after an event but felt compelled this time.

what a night! the crowd was totally into the girls. i had a chat with the
sound engineer before the girls came out and he agreed to give me his copy of
the set list after the show. i was jazzed. i know it was only a copy of the
original...but there are only two from the show anyway and i got one of them!!
this is the set list:

three hits
it's alright
dead man's hill
least complicated
shed your skin
language or the kiss
shame on you
get out the map
welcome me
a joan baez song (can't remember and it is not named on the list)
chickenman (amy rocked and they had one of those aboriginal instruments...)
hammer & nail
emily and vonda shepherd (one from vonda's 2nd album...beautiful song!)
romeo
galileo
kid fears

encore:
joan baez sang a mary chapin capenter song (haven't heard it and i own
everything mcc has done)
cut it out
closer to fine w/everyone

joan came out walking like a chicken during chicken man and emily was cracking
up. i don't think amy even noticed her until she got right in amy's face...it
was priceless.

amy mentioned the greek theater concert and the lack of shirts at that event.
she said somehting to the effect of "maybe we can get it that warm in here
tonight".

they seemed relaxed and their voices fresh. the show did start rather late.
vonda played for about 40 minutes and then it was another 40 before the girls
came out but it was worth the wait. the warfield is this really old theater
with not a bad seat (form where i could see anyway).

they had some of the crowd leave by an exit that was right next to their tour
buses and it was a huge temptation to stick around and have them sign the set
list but it was getting late and we didn't want to miss the last bart train
back to fremont.

wow....i don't know how i am going to go to sleep but i must...i am sure those
of you dwon in the front can fill in the more intimate details.  i can only
imagine what tomorrow night is going to be like.  you can tell they loved the
warm welcome given by the crowd tonight.  maybe they'll come to ca more
often...although i guess we can't be too greedy since they were here this
summer too.

macuzr...glowing and still humming ctf...::::::::creeping back to
lurkdom:::::::

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hey y'all...

tired as heck but wanted to get this posted before tomorrow. just back from
tonight's show...wow. its the 5th time i've seen them, but the first without
a band.

first, the set-list:

three hits
t l (well, that's what i wrote down...can't for the life of me remember what
this was)
dead man's hill
least complicated
shed your skin
language or the kiss
shame on you
get out the map
welcome me (with joan baez!!!)
joan baez solo song (don't know the name, was by mary chapin carpenter)
chickenman (joan baez guesting as the chicken dancer)
hammer and a nail
baby don't you break my heart slow (emily & vonda shepard)
romeo and juliet (!!!)
galeleo
kid fears

encore:
i am no mermaid (w. joan baez)
cut it out -> wish you were here
closer to fine

vonda shepard opened the show with a set that i really enjoyed. i caught
about five minutes of her on a radio show this (yesterday) morning and wasn't
sure what to expect, but she's got a wonderful voice and lyrics to break my
heart...sort of like joan osborne singing joni mitchell songs, but at that
point in time, it was exactly what i needed to hear (i had one of those
weekends where i holed myself up in my room and wrote torrid break-up songs
about people i'd never even dated).

okay, so then the girls come on, and are all sorts of wonderful (even if the
did look a little tired), and then they say they have a special guest, and i'm
thinking vonda shepard or danielle howle, and out comes joan baez (who was
looking darn radiant).  they sang welcome me together, then joan baez did a
song with her son playing drums, then she left the stage and he stayed out,
unwrapping a very long, large horn that amy described as "incredibly phallic".
and he starts playing, and she's just looking over at him and starts laughing
because, well, the noise that was coming out of this thing was very big and
very deep (someone help me out with the name of the instrument he was
playing...i think it started with a "j", and then they launch into chickenman,
and amy's looking like she's just going to lose it with this gut-wrenching
intensity (my new nomination for favorite amy lines...any line that she
decides to speak/whisper instead of sing), and joan baez kind of sneaks out on
stage doing this chicken walk, bobbing head and everything, and waving her
arms around...and emily eventually catches on, and the dancing goes on, and
she's (joan baez) shimmying across the stage, and eventually ends up right
next to amy and starts doing this, well, pecking thing, right at her...get
out, right?  i mean, here i am, four people and less than ten feet away from
the stage, and two of the women i most admire for all those deep and serious
reasons are...well, one of them is singing and pounding away on her guitar,
and the other is flapping little chicken wings behind her.  i would have
walked away giddy had the concert ended then, but...

...romeo and juliet...this was my first time seeing this live...amy, amy, amy.
it was a very amy night, really.  i guess i'm partial to her anyways, but she
really seemed more into the show than emily (the disclaimer on this being that
this was probably the best performance i've seem them do).  the little eye
movements (you know, the shame on you "here comes a big crowd cheer line"
ones, or the times when she lifted her hands from her guitar to accent her
words.  but between r and j and cut it out, i was ready for her to just
combust on stage...its strange that she doesn't sing blood and fire because of
the emotions involved, then sings cut it out, with the pain dripping off her
guitar.  tonight's performance of it seemed more hurting and less angry than i
remember from the shows this summer--a lot of it, she sang quietly, almost
whispery, and the part at the end where she repeats "cut it all out now..."
gave me chills.

well, i have 4 hours and 20 minutes till i have to get up for work, so i guess
that's all for now. for everyone else that went to the show, i hope that your
drive home was safe in the rain--hoping i can keep tomorrow's drive home a
little less eventful (ie no slipping off the road, no hitting wet off ramps
going 65...)

wish you all a safe and pleasant night,
shelley

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monday's san francisco concert (1/26). probably one of many posts.

it was a great amy night.  very intense.  no broken strings at least,
as far as i could tell.  emily was very cool and relaxed.  great night
for her also.  the warfield venue was great.  even in the reserved
seats of the balcony, we could see everyone on the stage very life
like.

amy & emily seemed to genuinely enjoy playing san francisco and the
small cozy venue.  no band.  just them.  some backups at times on
dijaradoo (australian instrument i don't know how to spell), harmonica,
or from vonda sheperd and val ? who played with her.  and then of
course there was joan baez who helped out a time or two.  geez.  it
must be tough, with only just a few friends around to help out...  and
well the audience, invited or not, sang along more than half the time
---  just in case they needed some help --- you know, them not having
a band and all...

vonda sheperd opened. i won't say much because her music was new to
me. definitely worth listening to again. very strong voice. i am
partial to strong voices in women singers.

as for me, not much voice left and expecting none after tomorrow's
show. danielle howle and the tantrums will open instead of vonda.
will there be another surprise visitor?

setlist:
  three hits
  it's alright
  dead man's hill
  least complicated
  shed your skin
  language or the kiss
  shame on you
  get out the map
  welcome me (started off by joan baez)
  mcc song* (sung by joan baez)
  chickenman**
  hammer & nail
  vonda sheperd song ( ~is that a good way to say good-bye?)
  romeo and juliet
  galileo
  kid fears

encore:
  joan baez song (~ i am no mermaid)
  cut it out - wish you were here (pink floyd cover) - cut it out
  closer to fine

footnotes
** mcc = mary chapin carpenter. don't know the song but had some
words about "letter writing" maybe near the first.
** chikenman w/ dijaradoo, harmonica, joan baez doing the funky chicken
(honest there really *was* a dance called the funky chicken) followed
by improvisation along the same theme.

sorry for typos and non-sequiturs, but it's very late.

listening to the boot i've got of a berkeley concert from last year,
emily figured this out when she was playing tangled up in blue at
that concert, and apologised for it (lol).....

john.

peppermint patty : "happiness is a warm puppy, a b plus..."

marcie : "and kind friends"

(charlie brown and snoopy show)

i don't think emily is running out of melodies as such - maybe she
just likes a certain melody or rhythm, and sees what else she can do
with it......

john.

peppermint patty : "happiness is a warm puppy, a b plus..."

marcie : "and kind friends"

(charlie brown and snoopy show)

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hi iglist!
okay, who booted the sf show with joan baez?  i think it's a must-have,
even for me, who could almost care less about boots.  but i understand the
joy of seeing joan baez suddenly appear on stage with the girls--it
happened to me in london in 1993 and that was my fave ig concert by far,
until i saw them in cedar rapids last december when amy played r&j among
other magical moments (the soc not being one of them)--but anyway, i want a
boot.  and although i can't pay back anyone with boots (how to make this
sentence grammatically correct so it doesn't sound as if i can't pay back
anyone who owns a pair of boots?!), i can send you some marvelous baked
tofu--who could resist such an offer?  ;-)

when i sing with welcome me, i always sing "i wish i were a ..." because i
can't stand the lack of subjunctive use, so i just...fix it.  and let's not
idealize, romanticize, etc. native americans.  it's not good for the real,
living people when white folks sit around and think "ooh, they were so much
more spiritual and closer to the earth than we are!"  for one thing, over
500 different peoples lived on this continent before the invasion, and some
were careful with their lands, and some were not (cahokia, for instance,
may have ended because of over-intensive corn farming).  some held to the
kind of spirituality often co-opted by new agers, and some didn't.  in any
case, it's much better to deal with the living peoples, do some activism,
learn about the history of oppression and resisitance and what's going on
now (i.e. like the girls have been doing with the hte tours), than to act
as if native americans were/are saints--that's just the flip side of the
heinous genocidal idea of them as "savages."  i think amy made a mistake in
welcome me with that line, and i find it offensive, to tell you the truth.
i'm glad she is doing the work she is doing now, and not just singing nice
songs about how great native americans are--how perfect--without bothering
to see the real people and the conditions that affect their lives today.
the poet chrystos, the author sherman alexie, and many other native
american writers consistently discuss this issue--if you're pissed off at
me because of this post, try taking a look at what they say.

oops, didn't know that was going to come out! susieq, where's peter when
you need him? ;-)

back to paper editing...
luv,
suzi

kristina d vaskys wrote:

>i was wondering if anyone had any insight on touch me fall they'd >like
to share?

i have nothing terribly profound to say about this, except that it
always reminds me that sometimes you have to plunge ahead in the face of
fears over what could go wrong. sometimes you just have to summon
up your courage, go out on that limb and take that risk. every time i
hear the lines:

"if i stumble, i will stumble, if i fall, i will fall"

i am reminded that yeah, you take a risk when sharing your heart with
someone.  and yeah, maybe that means you're gonna fall later.  but
that's the risk you must take if you ever want to reap the ultimate
rewards.  if you never step outside your front door you'll never slip
and fall on the ice.  but then again, you'll be locked inside forever.
so you take a deep breath, remind yourself: if i stumble, i will
stumble...and you open the door.

(or not!)
peace-nic

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 08:54:56 -0500
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kate mistakenly carried a thread here from the ellen degeneres list.
please ignore.

(to sub to the ed list, send the message subscribe ellen <your name> to
listserv@listserv.dartmouth.edu, but be forewarned that it's high volume
and low substance, much as this list is currently.)

at 11:44 pm 1/26/98 -0500, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:
>you know this has no place on the list and not the i know i cant stand him
>but the penis haters comment remember the girls teach tolerance and
>respect

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 09:10:48 est
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sorry to stray from ig, but i was wondering, (and so was some other people i
know), was jewel's singing of the national anthem not live? as soon as she
was introduced she had to move quickly 1 or 2 feet to sing into the mic, or so
it seemed. i really hope this isn't true, but it has been done alot before.
just wondering if anyone else thought this.

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 09:33:04 -0500
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yep, i did too notice the similar chord patterns; once or twice, i would
try to remember how to play a song, and suddenly i would be playing
another one! but i guess its very usual to find familiar patterns, and
that among all the songs on this earth! (we should not think any less of
a&e, o no no!) also, my friend and i have had a good laugh at
how amy can do many songs with only three chords, especially those c and
g!!! (but! she always messes with the rhytm like crazy, its incredible)
oh, and i remember someone saying that the more he/she (?) played guitar,
the worst it seemed to get. i know! i guess its because we get more
receptive to whats good and whats wrong, and though we get better (or so i
would like to believe) we *hear* more our mistakes.

july, who still has the rest of her life to practice voice and guitar!

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 09:51:35 -0500
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at 04:23 pm 1/26/98 -0500, sharon parker wrote:
> so let's find out what we all consider to be good topics for this
>list, and while you are at it, answer me this--
> who gets to decide for the rest of us? and, in the spirit of the indigo
>girls, why do we promote censorship?

i'm guessing that you weren't here before sherlyn started moderating, so
you can't appreciate her contribution. i think sherlyn does a great job,
and i think some moderation is necessary on a list with this much volume
(not to mention a lot of younger contributors who would be happy to use the
ig list as a chat room because they have time to burn).

as sherlyn said, nigc is okay, as long as it doesn't violate the list
guidelines against forwarding junk mail.  however, sometimes sherlyn needs
to determine when an nigc thread has run its course, is becoming divisive,
etc.  i think she draws that line well, and i know that she is open to
discussion if you disagree.  since she is the only designated moderator,
don't worry about the opinions of others.  use your best judgement, and if
sherlyn calls you on it, voice your objections to her.

i think the reason you've encountered a lot of grief is not necessarily
your opinions.... i agree with much of what you've had to say, but it seems
like you spend more time complaining about what's on the list than
contributing the kind of material you'd like to see. i never even
recognized your name until you started posting several messages a day
criticizing the posts of others. that doesn't mean that you haven't
contributed more substantive information in the past, just that i'm sure
i'm not the only one who only associates you with this issue, so it's no
wonder that people reacted defensively.

don't forget that this started over *your* attempt at censorship regarding
the term "goddesses."  i agree that it's silly, and that some folks here
get carried away with their hero-worship, but i think if you had stated
your opinion and moved onto other topics, you would have saved yourself a
lot of grief.  so please don't criticize sherlyn's moderating, because i
don't think anyone's definition of igc is really what's at issue here.  i
really appreciate sherlyn's work for the list, and i'm sure i'm not the
only one.

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 10:05:05 -0400
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what does nigs mean?

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 10:19:25 est
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the song attributed to mary chapin carpenter by joan baez was "if i wrote you"
off of dar williams' end of the summer album. i am fairly certain it was
written by dar not mcc. despite the mis-attribution joan was great, as was
her chicken dance.

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<snip>
welcome me (with joan baez!!!)
joan baez solo song (don't know the name, was by mary chapin carpenter)
chickenman (joan baez guesting as the chicken dancer)
hammer and a nail
baby don't you break my heart slow (emily & vonda shepard)
romeo and juliet (!!!)
galeleo
kid fears

encore:
i am no mermaid (w. joan baez)
cut it out -> wish you were here
closer to fine
<snip>
pleeeeeaaase tell me that somebody out there got an amazing boot of this show
and is willing to tree it. i'll help. okay, even it's only a sort of medium
to possibly unlistenable, we all really want to hear this stuff. anybody?
please?

<snip>

he stayed out,
unwrapping a very long, large horn that amy described as "incredibly
phallic".
and he starts playing, and she's just looking over at him and starts laughing
because, well, the noise that was coming out of this thing was very big and
very deep (someone help me out with the name of the instrument he was
playing...i think it started with a "j",

<snip>

is this a didjeridoo? and am i spelling that right?

oh, i neeeed this boot :-))))

pam

some weird coicedences happened in a lecture i've just finished. as
part of the course, i've got to do a project on inequalities in a
region or country. i was thinking about covering the issues of
inequality in mexico which led to the revolutions, which i've only
heard about through the ig and this list.

a couple of minutes later, my lecturer started talking about
differences in income within ---- atlanta, georgia - now that is
just too strange....

john.

peppermint patty : "happiness is a warm puppy, a b plus..."

marcie : "and kind friends"

(charlie brown and snoopy show)

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 10:42:25 -0500
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yeah-i definitely noticed that-in fact, the singing started before her
mouth ever moved, and she seemed quite startled by it :)

kim

on tue, 27 jan 1998, sweshrung wrote:

> sorry to stray from ig, but i was wondering, (and so was some other people i
> know), was jewel's singing of the national anthem not live? as soon as she
> was introduced she had to move quickly 1 or 2 feet to sing into the mic, or so
> it seemed. i really hope this isn't true, but it has been done alot before.
> just wondering if anyone else thought this.

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 07:49:40 -0800
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first off... i'm wondering if pples is gonna automatically delete my post
due to the word "goddess" in my addy <aaggghhhkkkkk>
>kristina d vaskys wrote:
>
>>i was wondering if anyone had any insight on touch me fall they'd >like
>to share?
i've been on this list for jest about two years now, and i remember a fairly
lively discussion on this topic. there were some interesting interps... the
strangest of those being the one where in amy was bald and narcissistic:-)
my favorite, of course, since *that's* what it sounds like to me, is that
this is an ( plug yer ears kiddies )"orgasm song" :-)...
hmmmmm....
anyway... peace all... kim
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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 07:51:15 -0800
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a couple of notes to add to rosemary's set list...

1. honestly, it was the best i've ever seen the girls. really. i
thought so last night and this morning i'm slightly less high and i
still think so...

2. didjeridu is spelled lots of ways, it was gabe baez (son f
chickenlady) playing it

3. joan herself was confused. the song she sang was "if i wrote you"
and it is in fact by (or at least on the most recent album of) dar
williams.

i cannot wait for tonight

-larissa

---rosemary walling <walling@aimnet.com> wrote:
>
> monday's san francisco concert (1/26).  probably one of many posts.
>
> it was a great amy night.  very intense.  no broken strings at least,
> as far as i could tell.  emily was very cool and relaxed.  great night
> for her also.  the warfield venue was great.  even in the reserved
> seats of the balcony, we could see everyone on the stage very life
> like.
>
> amy & emily seemed to genuinely enjoy playing san francisco and the
> small cozy venue.  no band.  just them.  some backups at times on
> dijaradoo (australian instrument i don't know how to spell),
harmonica,
> or from vonda sheperd and val ? who played with her.  and then of
> course there was joan baez who helped out a time or two.  geez.  it
> must be tough, with only just a few friends around to help out...  and
> well the audience, invited or not, sang along more than half the time
> ---  just in case they needed some help --- you know, them not having
> a band and all...
>
> vonda sheperd opened.  i won't say much because her music was new to
> me.  definitely worth listening to again.  very strong voice.  i am
> partial to strong voices in women singers.
>
> as for me, not much voice left and expecting none after tomorrow's
> show.  danielle howle and the tantrums will open instead of vonda.
> will there be another surprise visitor?
>
> setlist:
>   three hits
>   it's alright
>   dead man's hill
>   least complicated
>   shed your skin
>   language or the kiss
>   shame on you
>   get out the map
>   welcome me (started off by joan baez)
>   mcc song* (sung by joan baez)
>   chickenman**
>   hammer & nail
>   vonda sheperd song ( ~is that a good way to say good-bye?)
>   romeo and juliet
>   galileo
>   kid fears
>
> encore:
>   joan baez song (~ i am no mermaid)
>   cut it out - wish you were here (pink floyd cover) - cut it out
>   closer to fine
>
> footnotes
> ** mcc = mary chapin carpenter.  don't know the song but had some
> words about "letter writing" maybe near the first.
> ** chikenman w/ dijaradoo, harmonica, joan baez doing the funky
chicken
>  (honest there really *was* a dance called the funky chicken) followed
> by improvisation along the same theme.
>
> sorry for typos and non-sequiturs, but it's very late.
>
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==
blessings,

ms. oak

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 09:06:31 +0000
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i just received this upon requesting info about the various
chiapas projects:

------
as for writing letters, raising funds,etc., we'd appreciate
anything you could do. as of now,  there are more than 8,000 people
displaced from their homes.  they are in dire need of humanitarian aid so if
you can raise funds, they would appreciate it. also, we are currently
working on a national call for action that would deal with a divestment
strategy concerning those corporations investing in the chiapas region.  if
you would like to help with the campaign, write us back and we can give you
more details.
------

i would be more than happy to be the collection point, as i am
planning to contribute whatever i can to this cause, and will be
making the trip to chiapas this spring or summer myself. please let
me know if this sounds like a good amy birthday project. i will
gather all the info i can in the meantime, and if people who dealt
with the collection of funds last year can give me tips, i'd appreciate
it greatly!

comrade for peace,
elizabeth from denver

"kim: goddess in her own reality" wrote:

>my favorite, of course, since *that's* what it sounds like to me, is
>that this is an ( plug yer ears kiddies )"orgasm song" :-)...

oh gosh...golly-gee...i, uh, never thought of that before, but now that
you mention it...(grin, blush)...it does fit, doesn't it?
and there you have it: proof positive that all these lyric discussion/
dissection threads can go a long way toward enriching our appreciation
and understanding of ig music.
;)
peace-nic

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 11:29:16 est
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okay i got the goods from deb (and others), so i'm ready to make a go at this:

since friday was a better performance than thursday and i wasn't very
coordinated on thursday and since i didn't have very good booting seats on
saturday and the acoustics in a gym aren't as good as in a theater, i'm only
going to tree the friday seattle performance. if you want thu or sat night
real bad, email me and we'll see.

here's a quick synopsis of the show:  danielle howle & the tantrums opened (i
missed the first song) good set, very energetic.  danielle is pretty funny,
too.  the indigo girls, as you have heard, played without the band.  i haven't
taken a set list from the tape yet, but here's the one that bonster posted
(pretty close to what was actually played):

so this is a request for people to be branches.  if you've already emailed me
and explicitly volunteered to be a branch, i have your name and you're in.  i
still need a few more people though.  the following is deb's well worded
branch request:

if you're interested in being a branch, and you understand how tape trees
work (sorry, i don't have time to respond to requests for info), and you have
adequate resources to make *good* copies in a timely fashion, please reply to
this privately. put seattle boot branch in the subject line.

i'll send a note to the list when i have enough branches. i will notify you
*only* if you are selected as a branch. if you are not selected as a branch,
watch for an announcement for leaves when i've sent all the tapes to the
branches.

okay, that's all for now.

anne

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 11:33:00 -0500
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>3. joan herself was confused. the song she sang was "if i wrote you"
>and it is in fact by (or at least on the most recent album of) dar
>williams.
>
sorry to stray, but to answer the speculation, dar did in fact write "if i
wrote you"...at a recent opening for sarah mclachlan, she said that she
wrote it about a friend-type relationship that you never see as anything
more until it is too late, and then you are afraid to say anything...i
think that's the gist...i have a boot, so if anyone wants the complete
speech-ette transcribed, let me know!

alisa

"...for everything i've learned
there are two i don't understand."
emily saliers

agreenb1@swarthmore.edu

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 11:32:54 est
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sweshrung@aol.com writes:

<< sorry to stray from ig, but i was wondering, (and so was some other people
i
know), was jewel's singing of the national anthem not live? >>

jewel was lipsynching, yes. however, i'm pretty sure that this is normal for
this type of event. nonetheless, it was her voice and she gave a beautiful
rendition of the national anthem, did she not? :)

(oddly enough last night i was watching the faux news here & they had a bit on
this... they showed her missing that first note twice and then said, "but
we'll let it slip"!! i just thought that was funny because they so did not let
it slip- they played it in phuckin' slow motion twice!!! :p the media sucks.)

now onto igc:

boots of these shows would be lovely. my brother's a big pink floyd fan &
would get a kick out of the girls doing something by them. i, on the other
hand, haven't got a clue about pf or the song wish you were here. but!! emily
and vonda together?!? romeo & juliet!?! didgeredoos?!? (i know, i mauled the
spelling!!) i love those!! i absolutely love those- i'm thinking "as cool as i
am" right now... oooh this sounds like it was an excellent show! keep the
reviews coming!!!

peace,
rick
http://members.aol.com/rbsayre/dawsons.html (dawson's creek faq)
*what streak of madness lies inside of me? what is the truth my fears conceal?
what evil force makes edward hyde of me? what darker side of me does this
reveal?*

>at one point in the song, caramia sounds a lot like mystery.

everytime i hear the beginning of love's recovery i think of the
beginning of caramia. :) i even sing it inside my head sometimes
hehehe :)

- rick

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 14:12:50 est
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i know a lot of you ig heads are also itno your own songwriting and performing
(or maybe you are a wannabe).

check out this web site! it has many helpful and interesting links related to
songwriting and the whole business.

http://members.aol.com/songguytn/

if you like what you see, drop mark an e-mail! he loves it!!

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 13:21:57 -0600
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well,
        to further add to the touch me fall confusion and stretch the
boundaries of list tolerance, i offer my take on touch me fall.  i love to
listen to this song while making the transition to being "high."  to me it
illustrates the conflict between risks taken (or not) and meaning gained
(or lost) in every aspect of life of course, but in my case this one
exspecially.

peace,
nelson
mcwhorte@mc.edu

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ok - an orgasm song, and a song to be listened to when getting
"high" - this could be one of the strangest song interpretation
sessions yet done......

john.

peppermint patty : "happiness is a warm puppy, a b plus..."

marcie : "and kind friends"

(charlie brown and snoopy show)

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okay people...this list is regarding the listee cover tape (indicated
4).
here's a list of the people that i've received tapes from so far.
if you've sent one out or plan to, please let me know....i don't wanna
leave anyone off, so i *must* know if you've got one in the mail. :)
deadline still stands - i'm putting it together during the first week of
february. :)

barb basaj
andi lipman
carrie shafer
john & tammy pyles
rob sticka
sarah pinsker
gloria marshall (c/o melissa faurest)
bethany
bethany & shannon

a'ight dudes..that should be everyone. :) uh-huh.
again, if you've got one on the way, don't crap your pants or anything -
i'll receive it and get you on. ;)
thanks to those of you who contributed...you're awesome...

-bethany :)

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in a message dated 98-01-26 22:17:47 est, cheesehed@juno.com writes:

<< that's what i always thought the line, "touch me fall" meant--someone
"touches" you (gets to know you), expecting something wonderful, and then
"falls" (is disappointed) when they get a reality check and realize that
there's more to you than what they thought--and that some of it may be
things that they don't like. is that making sense to anybody? >>

yeah, that's what i thought of it too. but what about the "touch me i'm so
beautiful, rub your hands across my head just like this" part? i never got the
impression that amy thought she was beautiful. is she trying to make a point?
dana

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i seem to remember somewhere (was it on watershed?) amy saying something about
touch me fall being about how things fall apart, like an organic process where
everything decomposes...if she didn't say that, that's definitely the theme
that comes across in the video--little worms eating up pictures and hearts,
the girls running against/around a wall. i see this as being another take on
the whole life/death cycle, familiar amy theme, and how relationships are
always changing, coming and going, about taking action...eww, i'm not saying
much of what i intended to.

peace y'all,
shelley

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 20:17:56 +0000
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on tue, 27 jan 1998, stoin wrote:

> the song attributed to mary chapin carpenter by joan baez was "if i wrote you"
> off of dar williams' end of the summer album. i am fairly certain it was
> written by dar not mcc. despite the mis-attribution joan was great, as was
> her chicken dance.

oh yes. if that was the song dar williams is definitely the writer.

mat

in normal fashion, i've been thinking about a song that nobody seems to
talk about much, and i had a few questions. i know that the song refers
to tennyson's poem, lady of shallott (which i read before i ever heard
the song, and if y'all haven't read it, you should...), so i got the
realtion to that, but i am still left a bit confused.

at times she seems like she's covering for the person she is referring
to, hence the "i resign myself to silence; i will never blow your cover;
no one ever has to know who the hero took for lover" part, but then at
other times she just seems so pissed off...like the "i remember how i
spent all my energy and time, with affected conversation...". so i was
wondering if anybody could possibly clarify the sentiment behind this
song...

but at any rate, i think that this song is a beautiful one, and i've
always loved the line "everybody loves a hero, an image to create,
antithesis of everything inside ourselves we hate..."

but then, why does the line "but you'd better close you eyes when it's
time for you to die.  you'd hate to think the life you built upon them
was a lie" come after it?  ok, so is it clear that i'm a bit confused?
there seem to be several sides to the song, and i get them as separate
entities, but not as a whole.  i'm sure that it all makes sense if you
look at it the right way, but i'm not.... ;)  thoughts anybody? :)

thanks for help,
carolyn!

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okay, i have enough branches for the seattle boot. if i'm going to use you i
will send you instructions soon.

thanks for the help everyone!

anne

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in a message dated 1/27/98 4:11:24 pm, you wrote:

<<jewel's singing of the national anthem not live? as soon as she
was introduced she had to move quickly 1 or 2 feet to sing into the mic, or so
it seemed. i really hope this isn't true, but it has been done alot before.
just wondering if anyone else thought this.>>

hate to say it, but it looked as though she was lip synching, gee i thought i
was the only one who thought it wasn't live!

hi list,
just have to correct myself (thanks nem) before i get a flood of mails--i
know, it's "i wish i was a nomad etc." from world falls not welcome me--i
was just too excited about joan baez to get it right!
and yes, dar williams did indeed write "if i wrote you," which joan covers
on gone from danger and dar sings on her latest album, end of the summer.
dar writes almost all of her own material, though she has taken to doing
the cover or two in concert and on albums. she's a singer-songwriter for
sure.

luv,
suzi

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 17:34:49 -0400
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> here.  i was really worried about a&e being swallowed up by the rose garden
> (it holds about 6000 the way they set it up, but it is a huge basketball
> arena).  i think  it was amy who said, "this place is humongous... but we'll
> do our  best to make it small."

it was either ig or danielle that cautioned the people waaaay up there not
to fall out...:) one of my favorite parts was when emily said "just little
ole me and amy," which of course was much more impressive than she made it
sound.

it was just great to be there with my best indigo buddies, one of whom had
never been to a concert before. it was sort of the culmination of our
fascination for ig, which began three or four years ago when we started
listening to n*i*s. it was wonderful to see the awed expression on her
face when the whole crowd started singing and dancing around her...
we also had really good seats, thanks to lynn, and were able to see every
funny little expression on their faces. :p

if anyone has a boot of the portland show that they'd be willing to trade
a blank for, could you please email me privately? appreciate it.

i'll be unsubscribing in a few days in preparation for my semester trip to
england (bath, for those that are curious) -- if there's anyone in the
bath vicinity that wants to have a mini-shindigo with this poor lil'
american, please email me privately. it's been really fun being on this
list and hearing about the artists i love best every day; i'm glad that a
whole bunch of people love what i love. the indigohioans are my
favorites, of course. i'll be back!

anna m.

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hi y'all--
i just got back from sf this morning from the wonderful concert!!!
i've been off the list for the weekend (i still might be off--i don't know
if i'm back on yet), so i don't know if anyone posted a review or a set
list  or anything, but i just wanted to let everyone know that i recorded
the show.  i did it from the audience, so it's not the greatest quality,
but it's listenable, and i got every song in its entirety.  so, if people
are still interested in getting copies, let me know.  also, i'll post the
set list if someone wants it (if someone hasn't done so already).
i'm still on cloud 9, so i just don't know what else to say.  i could say
so much, so i think i'll just keep it short and sweet. :)
leslie
oh--i almost forgot--
does anyone know the titles of the song that joan baez sang alone, the
vonda sheppard song that em and vonda sang, and the encore song that the
girls sang with joan?   i need these titles to complete the set list.
also, does anybody by chance know even part of vonda's opening set list?  i
recorded her part too, but i'm not familiar with any of her songs.  or,  if
nobody knows this info, does anybody know where i can find out?

hey y'all. i tried to post this a few days ago, but i don't think it
worked. if it did, i apologize for wasting space and time. if you live in
or near or are visiting atlanta in the next few weeks and would like to
join me and a few other people from the list for a little ig party (no,
there's no concert you missed hearing about...sorry), then please e-mail me
privately. it'll be a blast! please reply soon so we can begin the details.
thanks!

christy :)

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on tue, 27 jan 1998, carolyn e turett wrote:

> at times she seems like she's covering for the person she is referring
> to, hence the "i resign myself to silence; i will never blow your cover;
> no one ever has to know who the hero took for lover" part, but then at
> other times she just seems so pissed off...like the "i remember how i
> spent all my energy and time, with affected conversation...". so i was
> wondering if anybody could possibly clarify the sentiment behind this
> song...

she is doiing both of these but you really get your answer in the next
part of which you question

>
> but at any rate, i think that this song is a beautiful one, and i've
> always loved the line "everybody loves a hero, an image to create,
> antithesis of everything inside ourselves we hate..."
>
> but then, why does the line "but you'd better close you eyes when it's
> time for you to die.  you'd hate to think the life you built upon them
> was a lie" come after it?  ok, so is it clear that i'm a bit confused?
> there seem to be several sides to the song, and i get them as separate
> entities, but not as a whole.  i'm sure that it all makes sense if you
> look at it the right way, but i'm not.... ;)  thoughts anybody? :)

this give you your answer while she is pissed off (to apoint) she will
keep her silence becasue we all neeed our heros adn they can never stand
up to the image we create of them so when its time for them to die means
you would see them not as the image you had of them but as a human being
she resigns herself to silence because she herself built a life upon them
and then found out that it was but a empty shell and while she may or may
not be the better for it she feels ripped off that there was nothing
underneath

"left me a fool" is another of my "how-did-i-miss-em-standing-
in-the-corner-watching-while-all-this-was-going-on-in-my-life?
songs! and one that just cuts me every time i hear it.

it's about (well for me, a combination of two people) someone
that's all-that-and-then-some in their own eyes and in the
eyes of those around them.
---> everybody loves you and they want to know your story <---

like an actor who uses his theatrics to keep himself in the
center of attention. but when you get through all the melodrama
and pretention, you finally meet the real person. and you find
that the theatrics and the melodrama are all that's there.
how very disappointing.
---> only made of shadows even though you're not <---

then comes the painful part -- you realize how much you were
sucked into this person's drama, how you were taken in by
all the swirls around them and caught up in the play. putting
so much into this person, looking to them for all the answers,
for the revelations and truths you seek.
---> i remember how i spent all my energy and time
with affected conversation, trying to pry inside your mind <---
you see this grand outward appearance and think "there must
be something really amazing there."

but alas, you find out the truth, that they are just surface, no
depth, and you look up and it's been six months, a year, and
all you've done in that time was devote your every thought and
every moment and every breath to that person. in love? maybe.
you get to where you think you really know them, and you feel
so honored and special that this person, this center of attention,
could pay you any attention in return. quite an ego trip, until ...
you make the painful realization that you've been used and taken.
and you're lost.
---> oh to reach through all your surface
        just to find an empty pool
        and to suffer all your pride as i lay down by your side
        and you swallowed up my heart and left me a fool <---

you've based your entire being and self opinion
on the fact that this grand and wonderful person could love
you in return. and when you finally see that truth, that they
are as unaffected as a person could be, it truly hurts.
---> everybody loves a hero, and image to create
        the antithesis of everything inside ourselves we hate
        but you'd better close your eyes when it's time for them to die
        because you'd hate to think the life you built upon them
        was a lie <---

in the end, you are left alone to deal with the person you've
become, to reconcile the fact that you allowed yourself to
be so taken in and so used. and it's not really all their fault,
it's something in *you* that you must deal with. it alters your
self-perception in irreparable ways.
---> i resign myself to silence, i will never blow your cover
no one ever has to know who the hero took for lover <---

this is *not* an uplifting emily song. it recalls all the things
about myself of which i am not proud, personality traits that
i wish i didn't have but unfortunatley do. and over time i've
learned that i must own these traits in order to overcome
them. "left me a fool" is a painful reminder of the person
i still have the potential to be.

cathy, who didn't mean to get so "blah," it just kinda happened!

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 17:06:39 -0700
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i don't want to sound like i am sacreligious, but the only indigo show
that i have seen that kind of even came close to sucking was the
warrensburg missouri show this past november. it was held in central
missouri state's multipurpose building and the acoustics were bad enough
but they had a problem with one of their speakers incessantly popping. it
was really a sad sight.

sorry

alayna

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hey y'all,

would someone going to an upcoming concert pick me up a bumper sticker, pretty
please? my stuffy old mom-van could sure use it! thanks in advance for your
help,

pam in texas which has been ig-dry since june 97!

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2 things:

#1
i have one curve magazine left with ig on the cover from jan. the person below
is getting the 2nd to last one and i did not receive notification from anyone
else saying they definitely wanted it. it's $4.32 with tax, and you would need
to send a sase for the magazine. email me if interested.

#2
jkim3467@uriacc.uri.edu
i tried to email this person to tell her that i received her package and sent
out the magazine, but it was returned undeliverable. if you are jennifer, just
wanted to let you know that.

thanks.
~ michelle

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date:         tue, 27 jan 1998 17:47:53 -0800
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i'll try not to duplicate others, but add a few things.

emily's language  or the kiss was a highlight for me.  most of her songs
last night were sing a longs which were loads of fun.  language or the
kiss was emily really hitting home.  you could hear a pin drop.  this
song has never been a favorite of mine, but it was last night.

shed your skin worked just fine in its three acoustic guitar, hard rock
arrangement (vonda shephard's guitar player sat in). after playing it,
they commented on how different it was to play it stripped down when the
version on sots has 68 layers of sound. i like the variety.

romeo and juliet blew everybody away.  she gets so far inside that song,
and takes us with her.  i was with a first timer last night.  after r&j,
her comment was "that's an amazing woman."  no argument here.

i thought emily's electric guitar was key to making the connection
between cut it out and wish you were here work so well. i do like
hearing her electric.

hugh barroll

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larissa wrote:
2. didjeridu is spelled lots of ways, it was gabe baez (son f
chickenlady) playing it

there is only one spelling : didgeridoo.

joadster

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yes...you pretty much hit it on the nose, and the term you wanted is "chord
progressions"...emily does like similar progressions, and thanks to her
capo (that funky clamp that she and amy use on their guitars to change the
pitch for anyone here who doesn't play guitar) she can write a ton of songs
that sound a lot different at first listen, and only people who listen a
lot can really pick up on it.  i only noticed because i play a lot of their
songs...amy is guilty of the same thing...listen to "land of canaan" and
then "pushing the needle too far" for an example...
     peace,
            s

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> from: hgladman@dca.gov.au
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> subject: similar songs...
> date: tuesday, january 27, 1998 11:29 am
>
> it's not just similarities in the chords i've noticed, it's, espcially
with
> emily, a similarity of chord patters. for guitar players, look at closer
to
> fine, the wood song, hey jesus for eg, they all feel kind of the same in
> that emily, in these songs, has this pattern of using one or two frets
> starting with a g based chord moving to a d one etc etc. i'm really not
> very technical at all - someone out there would know a better way of
saying
> this....anyone know what i mean??
>
> helen
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great song.

i've always taken it as a good old fashioned betrayal song. the narrator is
angry and is also covering for her poor pick in a partner all in the same
breath.

seems like the usual stage in relationships gone bad, when you finally admit
to yourself this was a mistake and the other person wasnt who you thought or
who they pretended to be. but when you admit that, you also have to admit
your own instincts were bad. so it's like your conflicted.

my 2 cents. one other thing: walk away, and i dont wanna know are also great
relationships gone bad songs, dont you think?

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tonyyyyyyyyyy i'm trying to send you my jeopardy answers and your mail keeps
coming back to me unsendable. please send me an address i can reply to you
at.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
- president, grlchasr26 fan club
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tiggers were only bouncy before breakfast, and that as soon
as they had had a few haycorns they became quiet and refined.
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in a message dated 98-01-26 23:33:17 est, barbarab@megsinet.net writes:

<< my first exposure to the finlandia melody, long before i knew ig had used
it, was when it was sung at my (catholic) church, with a lyric titled
"stewards of earth". >>

i've heard it's the national anthem of finland. it really is a beautiful
patriotic song about love of country, and the way they sing it in the 4 part
harmony a capella is really something. just my little thought for the day...

bonnie

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sorry to waste bandwidth but someone from the list was supposed to be getting
in contact with me about songbooks and assorted other things that she was
getting rid of. i am desperately waiting for an e-mail for you. if i have to
play the 2 songs i know on the guitar any longer, my roommates may just kill
me before i get a chance to kill myself :o
thanks,
carrie

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does anyone have an extra ticket for santa barbara?  i'm on the east
coast, but my mom wants to go, so i thought i'd try and get her a ticket
for her neighborhood indigo girls concert!  email me privatly if you can
help me and i'll hook you up with her.  thanks in advance.
vicki

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dar also wrote and sang the song february, covered by joan baez on her
latest album...the original is on dar's album mortal city...
peace,
s

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> and yes, dar williams did indeed write "if i wrote you," which joan
covers
> on gone from danger and dar sings on her latest album, end of the summer.
> dar writes almost all of her own material, though she has taken to doing
> the cover or two in concert and on albums. she's a singer-songwriter for
> sure.

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hi all...
    i guess i owe sherlyn an apology even though i didn't mean things as an
insult, but when  i posted about an igc survey, i didn't mean to criticize
her. i know that this is a big list and that someone needs to keep things
under control. i was just grumpy because i feel that half the flames i got
over the past few days were from a total misunderstanding, and i miss the
days when the list was a lot smaller...the problem is that there isn't one
person i'd like to see leave the list. i guess i can't have it both
ways...anyway, let's try this again...
     what is everyone's favorite ig subject?  keeping in mind that we don't
discuss their personal lives....
    did you meet them?  do you admire something about them?  did you have a
great dream about their music?
    as with song of the week, maybe we can have a thread of the week too
that interests a lot of people...
     just a though!
      peace,
             sharoane

carolyn wrote:
>but at any rate, i think that this song is a beautiful one, and i've
>always loved the line "everybody loves a hero, an image to create,
>antithesis of everything inside ourselves we hate..."

ooooh, yes, me too! definetely one of my (many) favorite emilyisms.

>but then, why does the line "but you'd better close you eyes when it's
>time for you to die. you'd hate to think the life you built upon them
>was a lie" come after it?

because with someone who is your hero, you glorify them, put them on this
huge pedestal, and see them as this perfect vision of everything you'd
like to be. so when you find out that they're human, and that they have
faults, too, you're completely crushed, and you realize that you have
been looking up to and trying to emulate this person who's not as perfect
as you once thought--maybe even the opposite. that's my interpretation,
anyway.

all things indigo,
kristina :o)

* * * * *
"the music whispers you in urgency,
hold fast to that languageless connection. " --emily saliers

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i'll definitely agree that the beginbning of tuib sounds like the beginnig of
least complicated, but strange fire and land of canaan? there in different
keys. strange fire starts on i think an e, and land of canaan on a g. i'm not
sure but i don't think they sound alike.
~liz

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hey all...
i was going through some of my ooooold vinyl (hehe, vinyl remember that)
well, i came across a couple 12 inches that someone might be more
interested in having than i am. i'd be willing to trade for ig boots if
anyone is interested..

1. league of gentleman (sara lee's band) 12inch single "bumatic"...from a
razormaid! records anniversary release, flip side includes depeche mode
"people are people" no artwork, but is pressed on clear blue, marbleized
vinyl (very cool looking)...excellent cond.

2. r.e.m - promotional 12inch single of "the one i love"...flip side
includes live versions of "the one i love" and "maps and legends" (both
recorded at mccabe's guitar shop. if that means anything to anyone?) vinyl
in excel.cond/cover worn.

i have no idea how rare either of these are, they may not be rare at
all...but if you're interested i'll trade for boots or something like that.
e-mail me privately!

thanks,
kc1

hi,
        here's a somewhat different take on lmaf.  when i hear the song i
see all the points you guys are making, but from the first time i -really-
heard it, i automatically (kinda) took it as like a plea from emily to her
listeners never to be that empty pool that she talks about finding in
whatever person it was she was referring to.  so, now that i have a
significant other, i hear it coming from her.  it's like a reminder every
time i hear lmaf to be real to myself not only for my benefit, but for all
those that know me and who are counting on that in me themselves.  i just
can't help dying though, sorry guys :(  [ ;) ]

peace,
nelson
mcwhorte@mc.edu

hey.

i am new to this.  thought i'd share my favorite indigo girls dream.  it
was this past fall.  i had a dream that they were my substitute teachers
in my hebrew class.  amy taught and emily just sat in the back and they
talked about how they used to sub before they got famous and wanted to
keep their feet in the arena of teaching.  it was very weird, but
definitely one of my most fabulous dreams.  the dream ended by amy
autographing my textbook.

also, i am interested in bootlegs...

it's probably obnoxious for me to ask right off the bat, but i just
can't get enough ig music.

anyway, if you would be so inclined, anyone who is interested in copying
bootlegs or pointing me in the right direction, could you email me
privately. thanks!

i'd be interested in hearing about other dreams, or if people really did
have the ig as substitute teachers :)

grace-
carey m.

has anyone else noticed that the short guitar solo 2:46 into "caramia"
sounds like the intro to bon jovi's "i'll be there for you"? :)

kim
http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/5420

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     "...wash up on some distant shore where truth is not the enemy
            and whatever does not kill us sets us free..."
                  -janis ian "searching for america"
     ~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~

hi all

i'd just be really interested to hear from the people who think tmf is an
orgasm song. i have an inkling as to how they can think that, but i'd like
to hear an expanded discussion on it, or at least some kind of
explanation....definitely it's an interesting take on the song.

i think in light of the video it's hard not to see it as being about cycles
of life, birth, death and decay. as for the 'touch me i'm so beautiful
line' i don't think it's amy's vanity speaking there. i think it's probably
meant to be understood in a wider sense, a beautiful human being.

also, i can never listen to this song without actually thinking of ophelia
from hamlet given the swamp ophelia bit in it. maybe there's no basis for
that whatsoever but it strikes me a lot. anyone else ever get that?

helen

i was thinking of the following as a possible thread last night but
wondered if it had been done before in a slightly different way or if it
had happened before i joined the list (about six months ago).

i know we had a huge thread on people and their coming out stories, and
some people have talked about how the ig helped them with that, but i would
be kinda interested to hear which songs, which lyrics in particular, were
helpful/meaningful/inspirational in people coming out, which lyrics or
songs they clung to as a means of strength in what is for most a difficult
time....this has been done before right? i can't recall...if not....let's
start it now!

helen

i'm glad someone started up with this song - while extremely sad, i love it to
death.

i think one of the best things about the indigo girls and their songwriting is
that we're so free to interpret them anyway we choose.

i think that cathy really hit the nail on the head for me. her interpretation
was excellent (so were everyone else's) and drove it home. it's scary to think
about what you let yourself become and what you put up with when you're in
that kind of relationship.

one thing i would like to add - the line "...i will never blow your cover, no
one ever has to know who the hero took for lover..."

to me, it sounds like a relationship where one person (maybe emily) was very
open and comfortable being herself, but the other person she's singing about
wasn't. i know from personal experience that people in gay relationships often
feel guilty and not very comfortable being gay or being in a gay relationship.
my "ex", after 10 years of friendship and 2 years as my partner, decided that
she wasn't gay and left me for a man.

yep, it hurt. needless to say, that whole relationship is going to cost me a
pretty penny in therapy. anyways - back to my point (and i do have one, i
think.) my point is, that line says to me that emily will keep her mouth shut
about their relationship because obviously the other person was not
comfortable being in it. anyone see that?

my 2� worth...
kasey

sounds great elizabeth. count me in!

tony

at 09:06 am 1/27/98, elizabeth wrote:
>i just received this upon requesting info about the various
>chiapas projects:
>
>------
>as for writing letters, raising funds,etc., we'd appreciate
>anything you could do. as of now,  there are more than 8,000 people
>displaced from their homes.  they are in dire need of humanitarian aid so if
>you can raise funds, they would appreciate it. also, we are currently
>working on a national call for action that would deal with a divestment
>strategy concerning those corporations investing in the chiapas region.  if
>you would like to help with the campaign, write us back and we can give you
>more details.
>------
>
>i would be more than happy to be the collection point, as i am
>planning to contribute whatever i can to this cause, and will be
>making the trip to chiapas this spring or summer myself.  please let
>me know if this sounds like a good amy birthday project.  i will
>gather all the info i can in the meantime, and if people who dealt
>with the collection of funds last year can give me tips, i'd appreciate
>it greatly!
>
>comrade for peace,
>elizabeth from denver

whee! well, i've decided after last night's frightening attempt that i am
completely unable to write a review in any sort of a logical, orderly format.
so instead, i'll post the setlist and a few details.

setlist:

hey kind friend
power of two
dead man's hill
least complicated
shame on you
wood song
cut it out -> wish you were here
get out the map
shed your skin
ghost
don't give the girl a gun
it's alright
thin line
winthrop
chickenman
galileo

encore:
romeo and juliet
blister in the sun!!!!! (with danielle howle and the tantrums)
closer to fine

the crowd tonight seemed even more into it than last night, and the girls
seemed pretty excited that so many people were singing along.  at several
points, they just stopped singing altogether and let the crowd take over...it
wasn't just galileo and least complicated--i'd say over half of the set was
like a campfire dance n' sing along.  even with cio and dgtgag, the setlist
seemed more up-tempo...maybe not the right word choice...the setlist seemed
happier or more positive than last night's.  no joan baez, although her son
did play a drum on a couple of songs, and brought out the dijerdoo (?) for
chickenman, although anything he and anyone else on or near the stage was,
umm, outdone ; ) by dave's, umm, interesting harmonica solo during
chickenman...even amy was kind of laughing under her breath.  the last part of
it wasn't bad, but when he started, what he was playing bore no resemblance to
chickenman, or to any other ig song, or to much anything else.  once it got
back on track, the song was pretty cool...though no soc's.

i was glad to hear so many of the songs that weren't played last night.
winthrop was great (my first time hearing it), even with the fish line that
just sticks out awfully. emily seemed more energetic tonight, and had some
great guitar solos.

but the highlight of the night (except for maybe in cut it out, when amy sings
"cut it all out now" over and over, as her voice gets higher and softer...the
third "cut it out" made my toes curl, because it was so charged with longing
and ache...and/or the "give it back" part of dgtgag...same effect.  beyond
words) was the 2nd to the last song, when they brought the tantrums back up
onstage, said something about doing something different, and broke into
blister in the sun.  first danielle howle was singing, then each of the girls,
the tantrums keeping the rhythm shaking tic-tac boxes (mint green colored,
from what i could tell).  i don't know if they've done it before, but it was
wild (shelley's adjective-o-matic has obviously already tucked itself to
sleep).

so two days of shows, 8 or 9 hours of lost sleep, and what i'm left with is
this lingering sense of hope.  i had a pretty cruddy weekend, and was pretty
much questioning every major and most every minor decision i've made in the
last couple of years.  and then i went to the show yesterday, and some of the
answers seemed to come to me so clearly...like the music was circumventing the
death trap of my mind and going straight to my heart.  and even moreso today.
i came out of the show feeling so empowered and alive.  like i don't have to
live in fear and wait for someone else's permission to have a life and
thoughts of my own.  which is all very simplistic sounding, but also true.
whatever we think of the girls, whatever dreams or fantasies or plain wishful
thinking  we wrap around them, however it is we came to finding their music,
it is a gift, and one that, at this moment of this very late hour, i am truly
thankful for.

peace,
shelley

what stays with me from the two

how about supporting peta (people for ethical treatment of animals) this
year? if you visit their website, you will soon see why this
organization needs our help!

http://www.envirolink.org/arrs/peta/index.html
(sorry to those of you who don't have web access)

adam

the year i was starting to come out (at least consciously, to myself) was also
a pretty emotional year on a lot of other fronts--my roommate and best friend
dropped out 2 months into fall semester,  she and most of my other college
friends moved away, dealing with a lot of family stuff, etc.  but the day
before i went back to school (and i know i've shared this tangent before here,
so be patient, i went to my first ig show.  and saw amy do touch me fall,
which i played on repeat for entire nights once i got back to school (my
roommate was less than thrilled, and had no idea what was going on with me
except that i was way moody...to her credit, she didn't chop my cd player into
little pieces).  actually, all of swamp ophelia, because that was the year it
it got released.  as for coming out to other people, i think the part of
problem child that's tacked on the end of one of the 1200 curfews cds.  it
wasn't really a conscious thing...i didn't sit down and say "oh, i'm coming
out and i need moral support, let's pop in the indigo girls".  music was, as
it still is, a vital part of my emotional support system.  and more often than
not, i wouldn't find the song that i needed to be listening to at that one
particular time...i'd put on an album and it would find me.  i think the
cowboy junkies' "you will be loved again" would be way up there, too.

hope this helps,
shelley

a friend asked me to pass this along to the list..........

1997 honor the earth tour commemorative merchandise
available while supplies last!

please give back to the earth by supporting the honor the
earth campaign.

a limited supply of commemorative honor the earth tour
merchandise is still
available to keep or give as gifts:

organic tour t-shirts, xl, blue or tan--$20.00
hemp three color posters--$10.00
autographed honor cds--signed by the indigo girls. only 8
left!!--$75.00

honor the earth merchandise is a perfect way to give a
meaningful gift
and support native peoples defending the earth we all share.

call 1-800-earth-07 to place credit card orders or send a
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order to honor the earth, po box 75423, st. paul, mn 55175.

consider making a donation to honor the earth along with
your order.
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law.  your
support is needed to continue the work of the tour to stop
the nuclear
waste policy act of 1997.  this bill passed the house of
representatives
by a large enough margin to override a presidential veto,
but can still
be stopped when it goes back to the senate.  make sure your
senator
hears from you!  call your senator and urge them to stop
radioactive
waste from being transported across the country and dumped
on western
shoshone land!

thanks so much for your support.

i don't wanna know and walk away are the best relationship gone wrong
songs. especially i don't wanna know, because it's so powerful and
inspiring and encouraging and strengthening and...

i think that peta is a great idea...

at 04:49 am 1/28/98 est, shel1018 wrote:
>whee! well, i've decided after last night's frightening attempt that i am
>completely unable to write a review in any sort of a logical, orderly format.
>so instead, i'll post the setlist and a few details.
>
>setlist:
>
>hey kind friend
>power of two
>dead man's hill

this was really how they started off the show??? if so, what an interesting
and novel way to begin. gosh, was anyone else out there struck by the
mellowness of it?
i certainly was.

deb

tuesday. warfield, san francisco

i think was an emily night. tonight i was not as focused
on amy and noticed the attention emily put to her performance.
amy was intense (as always), but perhaps not overshadowing amy.
a nice balance for the two nights.

tonight was very much an amy & emily night.  pure indigo with
few distractions.  danielle howle came back for the "bister in the sun"
set.  gabe harris on the didgeridoo once or twice and
the harmonica player on chickenman. otherwise just amy and emily having
fun and wondering if they screwed up their setlist or made it too
melancholy.

great concert. very personal.

setlist:
  hey kind friends
  power of two
  dean man's hill
  least complicated
  shame on you
  the wood song
  cut it out - wish you were here (pink floyd cover)
  get out the map
  shed your skin
  ghost
  don't give that girl a gun
  it's alright
  thin line
  winthrop
  chickenman
  galileo

encore:
  romeo & juliet
  blister in the sun (violent femme cover)
  closer to fine

tuesday. warfield, san francisco

(way too many mistakes in my original post. had to fix...):

i think it was an emily night. tonight i was not as focused
on amy and noticed the attention emily put into to her performance.
amy was intense (as always), but perhaps not overshadowing emily.
a nice balance for the two nights.

.....

actually, amy mentioned something about how they planned to start out mellow
and work into the more energetic songs...right before cut it out (then she
said something to the effect of "well, looks like we f***ed that up")

--shelley

at 10:59 am 1/28/98 aes, helen wrote:
>i'd just be really interested to hear from the people who think tmf is an
>orgasm song. <snip> or at least some kind of
>explanation....

it's not in the lyrics:-) it's in the music... have another listen...:-)

>as for the 'touch me i'm so beautiful
>line' i don't think it's amy's vanity speaking there. i think it's probably
>meant to be understood in a wider sense, a beautiful human being.
>
i like that take... of course, me, i always heard this line as meaning that
the other person's touch made amy feel beautiful...
i musta been in a "romantic" kinda mood when i listened to this one + formed
my first impressions... sigh:-)
peace all... kim
***********************************************************
"hello" said the wind as he bowed and he grinned
in the open door of my tent. then in he came from
the storm and the rain, old and grey and bent... c. allen
***********************************************************

well i thought tuesday night was the last night i would see the indigo girls
in a long time.  but it looks like a sponataneous road trip has come up.  and
i will be heading to sacramento this evening to see the girls one more time!!
i was surprised with the last minute planning that the show wasn't sold out.
but it works for me!  i thought the highlight of monday's show was joan baez.
then tuesday night they played 'blister in the sun' and brought down the
house.  what will they do tonight?  i am sure they will think of something!

later y'all

> i know we had a huge thread on people and their coming out stories, and
> some people have talked about how the ig helped them with that, but i would
> be kinda interested to hear which songs, which lyrics in particular, were
> helpful/meaningful/inspirational in people coming out, which lyrics or
> songs they clung to as a means of strength in what is for most a difficult
> time....this has been done before right? i can't recall...if not....let's
> start it now!

i think that this is a great one...
i don't know if it was lyrics or not that helped me out. i think that ig
lyrics in general helped me get a grip on my life at a time when i was
very mixed up and messed up and headed the wrong way.  i learned through
ig lyrics to be true to myself and honest, and to try to live my life the
best way that i could, and to lighten up over my life ("it's only life
after all") and then, awhile after i'd started to deal with all the crap
in my life i came out to myself and a few close friends and then i heard
that ig came out publicly...
  call me dense, but it had never even occured to me that they were
lesbians. i mean, i had never seen them in concert so i'd never gotten a
look at their fans, and i heard of them from friends of mine in the same
line of work as i was (sailing on windjammers off the coast of maine)and
so i never thought about it.  i guess indirectly their lyrics helped me
figure my life out...
        oh well...
                 sharoane

cool, we have a couple of ideas for amy's birthday now:

1. supporting indiginous chiapas
http://www.igc.org/ncdm/

2. peta
http://www.envirolink.org/arrs/peta/index.html

are there any other ideas before we vote on
which one to go with?

elizabeth from denver

um also

amy said this funny thing about how they have moondy shlow songs and
angry fast songs and mid-tempo sing alongs.

and then she said "but this is a moody slow song except when it gets
fast"

and then launched into a rockin cut it out.

the funniest thing tonight was emily singing

(with such a hillarious expression)

"i'm high as a kite-i just might stop to check you out" and then
*everyone* laughing so hard i thought i'd fall right out of my little
red chair...

great show, again...

they were both really really obviously *happy*.

-larissa

---deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net> wrote:
>
> at 04:49 am 1/28/98 est, shel1018 wrote:
> >whee!  well, i've decided after last night's frightening attempt
that i am
> >completely unable to write a review in any sort of a logical,
orderly format.
> >so instead, i'll post the setlist and a few details.
> >
> >setlist:
> >
> >hey kind friend
> >power of two
> >dead man's hill
>
> this was really how they started off the show??? if so, what an
interesting
> and novel way to begin. gosh, was anyone else out there struck by the
> mellowness of it?
> i certainly was.
>
> deb
>
> --
> please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
>       long signatures or flames to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

==
blessings,

ms. oak

btoak@yahoo.com
lbrown@crimson1.corp.sun.com

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hi all,

>encore:
> romeo & juliet
>blister in the sun (violent femme cover)
> closer to fine

as a long time violent femmes fan, in addition to loving wish you were
here,
if anyone was able to get a good sounding tape of this show, please,
please,
write me. i would really love to hear this. have lots to trade.

thanks, harry

--
please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
long signatures or flames to the list.
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set list:

> hey kind friend

i can see hkf as a great way to start a show.  ig have some very
distinctive opening riffs -- one or two bars which just immediately
identify the song and set a mood.  the best example of this is
fugitive -- most of us "can name that tune in one note" and feel the
frustration in the song without a word being spoken.  with the right
lighting, hkf also has that potential.  out of the darkness comes the
first three notes... kinda cool!

> power of two
> dead man's hill

though i have to admit i'm with deb here. after starting with hkf,
i'm surprised they didn't pick up the pace a bit. but hey, they are
the mega-stars....

> encore:
> romeo and juliet
> blister in the sun!!!!! (with danielle howle and the tantrums)
> closer to fine

wow! ok who booted this?

-- chris

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> >encore:
>> romeo & juliet
>>blister in the sun (violent femme cover)
>> closer to fine

yes! a boot! anyone, please let me know...i will trade trade trade!

alisa

hello!
montreal, june 9, 1997...
i'm praying to get that boot. has anybody seen it in the green
neighborhood or near the talking river? ;p
if you have it please e-mail me!

july ;)

at 09:12 am 1/28/98 +0000, elizabeth wrote:
>cool, we have a couple of ideas for amy's birthday now:
>
>1. supporting indiginous chiapas
>http://www.igc.org/ncdm/
>
>2. peta
>http://www.envirolink.org/arrs/peta/index.html

as someone who worked on last year's birthday projects, i'd like to highly,
highly suggest we stick with organizations that currently garner support
from amy and emily. according to the official ig site those organizations are:

women's action for new directions (wand)
e-mail wand@world.std.com

hand gun control, inc.
e-mail hci@cais.com

honor the earth campaign
http://www.honorearth.com

national commission for democracy in mexico
moonlight@igc.apc.org

sexual minority youth assistance league (smyal)
smyal@aol.com

parents and friends of lesbians and gays (pflag)
pflagntl@aol.com

the center
lagaylesb@aol.com

joint artists and music promotions political action committee (jampac)
jampacl@aol.com

youth pride

coalition of environmental federations
coal.env.feds@efg.org

that's all :)

deb

hi. i have been a crazy indigo girls fan for about 7 or 8 years but have
never collected any bootlegs... never even thought about it, actually. i'm
new to this list and jealous of all of you with the tapes... i have many
many many a-quality grateful dead and jerry garcia band bootlegs and would
offer them to anyone if you'd be willing to trade me for indigo girls
tapes. perhaps this offer doesn't interest you at all, but perhaps then
someone would let me in on an indigo girls boot for no trade? just
wondering........
:d shayna

in responseto helen's thought about whether hamlet and tmf are
connected:
i've always wondered too if there was any connection between the song,
and ophelia...  i think maybe the opening lines of the song almost
represent what emotions ophelia was having during hamlet's supposed
insanity.  <"i'm waking from a dream/ the neighborhood is green/ all the
sounds i've missed, all the years/ come down to wedding death and fears/
all i've learned has been in vain/ like water on a stain.">
it seems kind of confused, and dreamlike, like ophelia must have felt.
also, marriage and death are two facets of the play's plots, and
subplots.  of course, i could and very well may be wrong on this, but i
do think there is a connection between tmf and hamlet's ophelia.
does anyone else have thoughts on this?
-alicia

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get your private, free email at http://www.hotmail.com

okay, this one got me thinking.  as far as i can gather from all the bits and
pieces of info i've found on tmf, amy was being fairly random when she wrote
it.  in fact, she herself has admitted she's not exactly sure what it is
about.  the problem as dedicated fans and practiced thinkers is that we know
there still is a meaning, but the fact that it was written so freely implies
that the meanings to be found depend on each individual.  i understand this to
be true, and certainly possible, of all the girls' songs, but tmf has always
struck me as very special and unique because of that.  i certainly interpret
it dealing with decomposition of everything, especially considering the images
portrayed in the video.

yep, that would be my two cents!

peace,
tiffany

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand" -ar

pretty much the whole song of reunion did it for me, but in
particular:

     "i laughed as i said it
     this is my situation
     it's not pictures or privilege
     it's just self preservation
     i don't want you to feel
     any obligation
     it feels so funny to be free"

and

     "i have no need for anger
     with intimate strangers (ie people who i "know" but don't really know
     all of me, it isn't fair to them or me)
     and i got nothing to hide"

     i know that amy wrote it after going to her high school reunion, and
     not about coming out, but the words are perfect and i listened to it a
     lot when i was coming out.

yvette

hey thanks for all the responses on the vinyl....they are now spoken for!
they are going to go to the first couple people who responded...i will
contact you privately if that is you! i gotta get back to work right now
though!
thanks again!
kc1

i think ig lyrics have helped me through a lot of hard times during
the past few years, and helped me to deal with a lot of my feelings.
in a similar way, listening to "little earthquakes" (the album, not
just the song) helped me deal with a lot of stuff when i was a
teenager.

i don't know whether it's significant, but a lot of the songs i can
relate to emily songs (e.g. watershed and least complicated). i
don't what that says about me, but when i'm singing ig songs, i
normally find it easier to sing as emily....

john.

peppermint patty : "happiness is a warm puppy, a b plus..."

marcie : "and kind friends"

(charlie brown and snoopy show)

yeah, they are in different keys, but i can see how the two might sound
alike...they both have a similar type of chord progression...e to a and g
to c are the same steps from eachother...
    we're probably getting too technical now...hehe
         peace,
               sharoane

----------
> i'll definitely agree that the beginbning of tuib sounds like the
beginnig of
> least complicated, but strange fire and land of canaan? there in
different
> keys. strange fire starts on i think an e, and land of canaan on a g. i'm
not
> sure but i don't think they sound alike.

> << but the beginning of tangled up
> in blue sounds eerily like the beginning of least complicated. >>
>

hey y'all

i totally agree.  at the concert in dayton on nov. 15 (1997) they opened
with tuib.  then later in the show they started playing po2, and i
remember thinking to myself "they already played this song.  why are they
playing it again?"  then i realized, ah! it's po2.  hmmm.  yep, definitely
can tell the same chords are there as well as slightly similar
"jazziness," if you know what i mean.

peace y'all, melissa

-my life is more than a vision -e.s.

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -a.r.

hi all,
     i have to add that i don't like this song because way back when i was
first exposed to the indigo girls, my co-worker who forced me to listen to
them (and i still thank her for it) used to sing this song all the time,
only she always wandered off key and hurt my ears.  even though emily
treats the song very gently and is always on pitch with it, i still
shudder...
        it's the only ig song i can claim not to like very much...
            peace,
                   s

-------

hi--
i just wanted to tell you that i sent a message to everybody that has
requested this boot. if you emailed me about it and did not get a response
from me, that probably means i missed your message among the masses or i
mistyped it on my message, so go ahead and email me back.
i'd also like to request that anybody who is still interested in this tape,
but hasn't requested it yet, please hold off until i post the people who
are going to be branches. i've got as many takers as i can handle for now,
but i promise i'll post the tree branches asap.
thanks!!
leslie

-----original message-----
from: jillian.certo@oberlin.edu <jillian.certo@oberlin.edu>
to: barbara corrice <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
date: wednesday, january 28, 1998 2:37 am
subject: will you forward this to the list?

>hey y'all--
>i've been listening to my mt. holyoke boot (3/15/97) and i've been
>wondering about this part on the tape where some guy yells out emily's
>name, and then there's something about flowers and em says, "they've got
>spirit" and everybody screams.  what was going on?  anecdotes, please,
>from anyone who was there!  and-- oh, bummer, my boot cuts off amy in
>mid-chat on the end of side a (right after scooter boys).  :(
>thanks!
>jilly
>
>

hey i would literally sell my left arm for a copy of ig doing
"blister"!!! i am pretty new to the list...so if anyone has the boot of
the tuesday concert and would be willing to make me a copy at some point,
please give me an e-mail

thanks...peace in indigo...
rhonda

oh hamlet...good play! :)  i think a lot of the connection is in the fact
that opheila committed suicide in the play by drowning herself, and the
line in the song is "swamp ophelia, i'm torn down.  let your waters let
me drown...".  ophelia was definitely torn down...hamlet was dangerously
obsessed with her and was violently killing people, and the her whole
family was messed up and everybody was trying to kill everybody
else...that would make me a little bit worn down!  in the play, it is
understood that she killed herself, but she seemed to be really happy
about it.  she was said to be floating down the river, humming to herself
before she went under, and the mellowness of tmf at that point remended
me of ophelia's tranquil death.  anyhoo, i think that is all correct, at
least the hamlet content...we read it in the fall...

but anyway, i also agree with the person who pointed out that it was
about a lot of things, and i see other stuff as well, but definitely part
of hamlet...i've been warped by english classes into seeing that! :)

carolyn
**************************************
your choices are infinite
your deeds are what measure you...
this is evolution we are the solution
be in revolution we are evolution
~~ sonia, "is this evolution"

ok, i'm just gonna kill two posts with one stone here...

first of all, i'm looking for 2 boots:

denver co 10/21/90
san fransisco 8/24/92

i think they should be excellent quality. there is some san fransisco show
that was a promo but i never got a copy of it. let me know if you have
it...i have a bunch to tarde.

other thing is i was wondering if anyone had any chords to any dan bern
songs. they seem pretty basic, anyone figure out the chords? if yes,
please e-mail me!

thanks y'all!

have a great time at the shows, west coasties!

~rob
**********************************************
* "the flesh is strong, the spirit stronger  *
*  so shed your skin, baby, let it through!" *
*                           --amy ray        *
**********************************************

hey y'all!
here is my two cents on the amy b-day project.  so far i liked chiapas and
the sexual minority youth ideas.  however, how about somthing like rock
for choice (or an organization that they support- like national abortion
rights action league naral).  i have noticed the rock for choice sticket
on one of amy's guitars several times, so she obviously supports such
causes.

but i realize that abortion is a very controversial issue, and i am sure
not everyone on this list agrees. so out of the other ideas that were
suggested, i think i like tyhe chiapas one the best. it is obviously a
cause that a) needs our help now and b) amy really supports.

that is my two cents.

:-) karen

sorry to the people who get this multiple times...this is my almost
official announcement of the concert i'm planning...official will be
next week...

michelle malone is going to be playing goucher college, in baltimore, on
the night of saturday, march 28. i'm trying my best to keep the ticket
price very low, but there are a couple of financial matters to work
out...in the meantime, i'd like to offer that anybody who is interested
in going can e-mail me, and i'll add you to my list of people that will
hear the details as soon as i get them (if you've already e-mailed me
about this and gotten a response, you're already on my list!). i hope
this doesn't sound like too much of a commercial announcement, but i'm
really very excited about this, and also terrified that i'm not going to
sell enough tickets to pay back the student clubs that are sponsoring
the show (which so far include the outdoors club, the environmental
club, the theater club, the role-playing games club, the womens issues
group, the community service group, the lgbt group, and the class of
2001.!)

thanks,
sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

ok so far we have endorsement of a number of ideas
for amy's birthday project:

1.  chiapas
(email me for more info, or if you have knowledge/contacts
on the subject!)
2.  peta
3.  everything else they've outwardly supported (youth
pride, pflag, smyal, hand gun control, honor the earth, etc)

my favorite is still chiapas, as it falls into the "officially
supported" category and is an international crisis,
unlike the rest which are based in the us. "not that there's
anything wrong with that," but i think the growing
international population on this list might appreciate
being included for change!

what does everyone else think?

no official voting yet, i'm still going to wait a couple
days unitl we give everyone a chance to hit the list
with their ideas.

elizabeth

sorry 'bout this brain cloud, but does anyone know the name of the venue
for tonight's sacramento show? thanks
peace, cindy

hey guys.... i am not the one organizing the collection, sending, etc. of
amy's birthday gift, but in order to take the load off those who are, i'm
volunteering to be the official vote collector as to what we should collect
for.... (sorry, big run-on sentence)

so here we go.... everyone email me at my private addy (ofelia81@aol.com) with
the charity you think we should collect the money for; i think the choices so
far are
honor the earth
chiapas
handgun control
peta
rock for choice
womens action for new directions (wand)

if i forgot the one that you wanted, sorry! just tell me anyway and i'll add
that category to the tally... i will wait until saturday to get all votes, and
will then post results to the list...
thanks,
leslie m.

my bad... i jumped the gun a bit.... we are not voting yet...!!! :)
sorry,
leslie

okay guys, try to deal with my ignorance! :) how do we actually do this? and
how do i get involved? i wasn't on this list last year and i feel so un-
involved! (i hate that!) thanks!
dana

i know, i know, a bunch of folks have already posted about the shows, but
wow!! they were so great!

the warfield is a cool venue, it felt pretty intimate.  i loved my first
row of the balcony seats.  did others in the room feel the same fun
vibrations that the didgeridoo provided, especially monday night when gabe
played those loooong, drawn out notes?  ooooh!  ;-)  the highlights for me
were definitely the energy going through the roof when joan baez was
introduced (and my goddess, she looks fantastic!  i could only dream of
being such a hot babe when i'm practically 60!  :-) , her chicken dance was
alot of fun, pecking amy on the arm while amy tried not to laugh, kid
fears, power of two, cut it out/wish you were here, blister in the sun, the
song emily and vonda did was nice, and i enjoyed seeing danielle howle.
the girls seemed to be in a great mood, a big improvement over when i saw
them in berkeley this summer and amy was all p.o.ed over sound problems.
after one intense song last night, amy even said, "we really aren't that
depressed!"  gotta love a fashion report ;-)  monday night amy came out to
introduce vonda in that brown v-neck sweater and white pants, then for igs
performance she wore a blue w/ white stripes button down shirt and dark
grey or black pants, and emily wore a neat multicolored shirt and what
looked to be dark teal pants.  tuesday night amy wore a white with thin
black stripes button down shirt (both amy shirts provided a pretty good
glimpse of the new tattoo - gee, i love binoculars! ;-) and some of those
fat multicolor striped 70's-era pants, and emily wore a really pretty
bright/light green big shirt with neat patterned stripes on it, over a
black shirt and black pants.

go sacramento!!

p.s. vonda shepherd mentioned she is on a tv show? and one of the songs
she did is from that show...what show is it?

--------
e l e n a g u e r i n
elena@cruzio.com

don't laugh at me please...
can we send, in addition to the donation, individual things like cards or
something... where would we send them?

******************

                       who we are is revealed, ultimately,
                       by the questions we ask rather than
                       by the answers we find...

the official word on the amy birthday vote is...... send your votes to me
(ofelia81@aol.com) starting monday to allow digesters and tired west coasters
a chance to get in on the discussion. sound good? if i have already recieved
your votes and you wish to change later, just let me know your old fav and
also your new choice. sorry for all the screw-ups,
leslie m.

first off,
i am writing a story on homophobia. i would love to start it with some kind
of poem perhaps about coming out or being scared to come out. if any of you
can help me please point me in the right direction.

as for the thing for amy's b-day. i have a major problem with peta, not to
get into a big discussion and we will not discuss peta, i find some of their
actions violent when peacefully protesting can work. therefore< i suggest we
do the c- thing (i'm sorry, i'm sure you all know what i mean) for the
indians. i think that would be really precious to amy.

thanks,
chrisy

i finally found the message about how to participate in
an international web sit-in to support the zapatista
movement in chiapas jan 29. a short exerpt:

>in solidarity with the zapatist movement
>we welcome all the netsurfers with the ideals of justice, freedom, solidarity
and liberty within
>their hearts, to sit-in the day 29/01/1998 from 4:00 pm gmt(greenwich mean
time)
> to 5:00 pm gmt (greenwich mean time) in to the following five web sites :
>
>bolsa mexicana de valores
>http://www.bmv.com.mx
>grupo financiero bital
>http://www.bital.com.mx
>grupo financiero bancomer
>http://www.bancomer.com.mx
>banco de mexico
>http://www.banxico.org.mx
>banamex
>http://www.banamex.com
>
>symbols of the mexican neoliberism following the below technical instruction:
>
>connect with your browser to the upper mentioned web sites and push the bottom
"reload" several times for an
>hour (with in between an interval of few seconds)

the url for more detailed info:

gopher://mundo.eco.utexas.edu:70/0r1226823-1235739-/mailing/chiapas95.archive/1998.jan.15-21

sorry for the nigc but i think this is something the girls would actually like
this
list to be used for. if there is any objection, i'll stop.

elizabeth from denver
*free tibet!* *unite ireland!* *support chiapas!* *grow organic!* *save the
whales!* *pass the donuts!*

in a message dated 98-01-28 14:38:44 est, you write:

<< . peta
http://www.envirolink.org/arrs/peta/index.html
>>

okay, i am sure that many of you support this organization, so i shouldn't say
anything about it, but i just have to.  peta does many things that its
supporters are not always aware of.  my sister has had her life threatend by
this organization more than once, and because of this, i have a strong hate
for peta.  i do not support peta, obviously, so i, as an individual, do not
like this idea for amy's b-day thing.

just my $.02,
beth anne

wait, they didn't do po2 at sayton on teh 15th. trust me, i would have
remembered if they did! :-)

:-) karen

i have just finished updating the chartruce girls web pages. there were
a few folks who were being very creative durring the christmas season, so
you'll find some new stuff there.

http://narnia.emu.edu/students/creechal/parodies.htm

as always, feel free to send your creations to me, and i'll add them to
the collection.

:)
anna

"don't worry about what you do the first year after college. it's not
what you'll be doing for the rest of your life." --annie dillard
http://narnia.emu.edu/students/creechal/creechal.htm

"christopher m. becker" <cmbecker@space.mit.edu> wrote:

>> encore:
>> romeo and juliet
>> blister in the sun!!!!! (with danielle howle and the tantrums)
>> closer to fine

>wow! ok who booted this?

ok, i hesitate to say this because i'm leaving for a week and won't have time to get back to y'alls emails, but...i have a boot of this show, and monday's show too, and both are pretty darn good at that! i've only spot checked a few songs...ok, i 'fess, i've listened to blister in the sun over and over cos it just brings back such vivid memories of amy rockin out and emily twangin' her banjo and singing real funny and the whole crowd jumping up and down, and...and...and...whew, wow! what a show!

so i'm thinking a tape tree should be set up. <gulp> who wants to help?
traci

traci@lieberman.com

i've got to mention youthpride as a possible source of help for amy's
birthday only cause i'm in it. i also think the organization is needed very
much in atlanta. remember when (some of) you were young and dealing with
your sexuality? youthpride is (last i heard) trying to get a half-way house
opened for youth who have been kicked out of their homes because they are
gay/bi-sexual, as well as a coffee house, a mini-library, and a place for
private counseling. i know the people in chipas need the support more
though...let me know what you all think. thanks for listenin!

christy :)

hey folks,

happy chinese new year to all of us to whom it's relevant!
year of the tiger... this is going to be a good year, i
can feel it. (so does my cat tiger, who's flattered they
named a whole year after him. :)

elena asked about vonda shepard (ok, i spelt that wrong).
the tv show that vonda is on is "ally mcbeal", which hasn't
reached australian shores yet but hopefully will this year...

what else? oh yes, amy's birthday. this is a great idea.
and remember - emily's birthday is only a couple of months
after that too (amy's is april 12, emily's is july 22), so
even if we, say, decide to donate to chiapas for amy's bday,
maybe we could donate to one of the other organisations for
emily's.

for those who weren't around last year - basically what
happens is that once it's been decided which organisation
we're going to donate to, everyone who wants to contribute
sends some money to a designated person, who adds it all
together (along with any cards, letters etc) and gets it to
amy and emily somehow. donations can be for any amount.
that's how it's worked in the past, anyhow.

one more thing - the news-only list. i haven't forgotten!
i'm still waiting for people to get back to me... i promise
i'll have more details on this soon.

okay, i think that's all for now. thanks folks,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=a+e=ig
sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [currently at work or someplace.]
"i hope i didn't brain my damage..." - homer simpson

elena guerin said:

>p.s. vonda shepherd mentioned she is on a tv show? and one of the songs
>she did is from that show...what show is it?

i believe the show is ally mcbeal (sp?)

peace,
janice

<< 1.  chiapas
(email me for more info, or if you have knowledge/contacts
on the subject!)
2.  peta
3.  everything else they've outwardly supported (youth
pride, pflag, smyal, hand gun control, honor the earth, etc)  >>

i really support all of these groups. to me right now, chiapas seems like the
most obvious choice, because it is a current, current event and it seems like
practically nobody could oppose their cause (whereas with a pro-choice cause,
for example, many people are bound to disagree (not me, however!)) although i
do my best to keep up with everything going on with chiapas and stuff, i know
i must be a least slightly ignorant as to the minute details. so, one question
i have, is, by the time we give amy the present (april 12), will their country
still be in the same position as it is now - will our monetary donation make a
difference to the cause we know right now? (don't flame, just bringing it up)

and for me, peta is really important.  and i know amy is also *really* into
this animal rights stuff.  and, as far as i know, emily is not quite as
involved (or even at all involved?)  so, we might want to consider that, if we
get together a donation for emily's birthday (july 22), we will probably want
to find another place for the money to go for her, probably eliminating peta,
right?  you following me?

thanks for listening to my ideas.
~flora

christy lynch wrote:
>
> i've got to mention youthpride as a possible source of help for amy's
> birthday only cause i'm in it.

here, here. i think that is a very worthy cause. we just picked up
thrive, a compilation to benefit youthpride. so, for sure it is a cause
that amy believes in as well as a lot of us on the list.

so, that's our vote!
:)
barb and twink!
--
****message from twink! or barb: bf2brland@sprintmail.com****

<< p.s. vonda shepherd mentioned she is on a tv show? and one of the songs
she did is from that show...what show is it? >>

she's on "ally mcbeal" - 9pm est on fox, every monday night (lots of covers,
but some original tunes incl. the theme song).

please hold off on the vote for a couple of days!

we have listees who can make the presentation on a very close date to amy's
birthday, at the slam! benefit concert. however if we decide to do that we
really need to consider making amy's gift one to slam! and then discussing a
different organization (such as the ones listed below) for emily's birthday.
please don't make any votes or decisions on this until i can post some more
info to the list!

thank you all very much!!!!!!!!!!!!

in a message dated 98-01-28 16:54:40 est, ofelia81@aol.com writes:

<< honor the earth
chiapas
handgun control
peta
rock for choice
womens action for new directions (wand) >>

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
"a party for me?" thought pooh to himself.  "how grand!"
********************************************************************

did anyone know emily was in a pagent and won an award? i stumbled upon
this cool article.
chelsea

http://www.hidwater.com/lifeblood/articles/8009.html

the following was sent to me by a listee who prefers at this time to remain
anonymous. she is willing to make the gift presentation to amy and would have
an excellent opportunity to do so. please read and think about the
opportunity we have to support yet another of the organizations which amy and
emily obviously support strongly.

---forwarded message begins---

here's a little info on slam!. c--- and i have been talking about it and it
would be very weird to give amy a check for a cause other than slam! at a
slam! benefit. so if the money doesn't go to slam! we're not sure if we want
to give it to her.
anyway, here's the scoop.
leslie nuchow is a singer/song-writer in nyc. last year woman thing music
approached her to do a promotional concert series that would feature up
andcoming women artist. it was the break she had been waiting for. but there's
a catch. woman thing music is a project of virginia slims, the cigarette
company. then leslie found out that the cd that woman thing music was
producing would be available only with the purchase of two packs of virginia
slims cigarettes. she realized that all of this added up to one thing- that
the music promotions would be appealing most strongly to young people. their
intentions were clear. the majority of people attracted to women's music are
young women and girls. this was a tobacco promotion as much as it was a music
promotion. using music, a force of healing, joy and strength, to help market
an addiction went against everything music meant to leslie. she turned down
their offers and formed slam!. the core slam! committee is made up of current
or former smokers who understand why young people start to smoke and when.
leslie wants to fight the exploitation of music with the celebration of music.
this is basically it. i'll send you a list of goals that the slam! is working
on as of right now. it's interesting to note that even though the indigo girls
did not participate in the first slam! concert last june, they have been very
interested and involved. they are going to donate the fee they would have been
paid for this year's slam! concert (somewhere around $20,000-$30,000) to
slam!. it would be nice if the list decided to join in. all profits from slam!
go to women's health organizations and youth service organizations.

---forwarded message ends---

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
"a party for me?" thought pooh to himself.  "how grand!"
********************************************************************

in a message dated 98-01-28 21:18:27 est, ndygotiggr@aol.com writes:
<< we have listees who can make the presentation on a very close date to amy's
birthday, at the slam! benefit concert. >>

so now that i know who and what slam! is, where and when is this benefit
concert going to be? is there any chance that amy would actually be there
herself?

elizabeth's <elizabeth.nitz@evolving.com>
idea for amy's b-day concerning a fundraising project
for the chiapas people is outstanding.  i think
amy would love it.  if someone could get in touch
with amy (maybe at a concert), she may even
know who is the best person, group, or organization
to get the money to.  she has been deeply involved
with this issue for quite some time.

lisa

stoin <stoin@aol.com> wrote:

>the song attributed to mary chapin carpenter by joan baez was "if i
wrote you"
>off of dar williams' end of the summer album. i am fairly certain it
was
>written by dar not mcc. despite the mis-attribution joan was great, as
was
>her chicken dance.

this is not a first for joan. she sings "if i wrote you" on her new
album
"gone from danger" (as suzi said before i was able to). it is an awesome

album. joan seems to stray from her folky sounds to more rockin' tunes
on this cd, and i love it!

plus, as sharon parker said, joan sings dar's february on gone from
danger, and dar does the background vocals. i do declare that having
dar do the background vocals on her own song on another person's
album was very interesting to hear, but it worked well. it's quite
beautiful.

yes, dar did write "if i wrote you", as stoin said (and as suzi also said
before
i was able to...can you tell i'm editing what was in my draft outbox??
but,
i'll add......).  joan seems to cover mcc, ig, and dar songs often, or
she
at least sings with these women often.   all four women are on joan's
album
"ring them bells", a live album featuring many other great artists.  in
fact, joan
sings welcome me on ring them bells.

if ig, mcc, and dar are among joan's favorite contemporary artists, we
are all in great company!  joan is just as hot as they all are, although
i
cringe at the thought of comparing them!  joan, dar, and ig go pretty
much hand-in-hand when it comes to my cd collection.  can't have
one without the other.

whoever has the boot of the sf show where joan is with ig and singing
dar,
i absolutely need it. :) please e-mail me.

lisa (the repeater of other people thoughts and words.....oh, woe!)

i clipped this from a mailing and thought some of you may be interested.
note: i've never ordered from them, so buyer beware.

>for a measly $10.50 (+ s/h) you can have your pick of any
>of the below designs. their production ceased a while
>ago and are now becoming increasingly harder to get.
>they are all new and in excellent a-1 condition!!
>also available in large and x-large.

>"indigo girls/nomads,indians" zma034

http://www.rockfetish.com/ordering.html

also noticed a big stack of curve magazines @ powell's bookstore in portland for
anyone still looking.

in a message dated 98-01-28 21:36:41 est, you write:

<< so now that i know who and what slam! is, where and when is this benefit
concert going to be? is there any chance that amy would actually be there
herself? >>

um, they're playing the concert. all i know so far is that it is in april
close to the time of amy's brthday. will have further info as it is
forthcoming.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
"a party for me?" thought pooh to himself.  "how grand!"
********************************************************************

i agree with sherlyn, if we do something for amy's b-day, we have to do
something for emily's b-day.  it seems to me that emily is often
forgotten.  personally i feel more attached to her lyrics and her music.
i like amy's voice and passion better.  just a thought!  so we'll do
something for 12 april (easter) and 22 july!!!

:-) karen

ps- amy will be 34 this year, correct? and emily will be 35, am i right?

hello everyone,
time for my annual posting. got some shots from last night's show:
http://www.best.com/~kluce/ig2.htm

the black & white photos should be posted by the end of next week.

--kim

in a message dated 98-01-28 22:22:12 est, you write:

<< if we do something for amy's b-day, we have to do something for emily's b-
day. -snip- so we'll do something for 12 april (easter) and 22 july!!! >>

well of course. last year we did billings house for em's birthday. i was
really kind of hoping to get amy's done first, and then worry about emily's,
if that's okay with everyone.

:o)

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
"a party for me?" thought pooh to himself.  "how grand!"
********************************************************************

> well of course.  last year we did billings house for em's birthday.  i was
> really kind of hoping to get amy's done first, and then worry about emily's,
> if that's okay with everyone.
>
yeah!  i am sorry.  see, last summer i was on and off the list (i never
posted) because i didn't always have e-mail access. so i guess i just
missed that!  sorry!  that makes sense to do amy's first since it comes
first!  :-)
:-) karen

definitely an orgasm song....definitely the music....i mean lyrics arent
usually the kind of thing i'm ...uh....paying attention to or reacting to in
such situations :)

i will apologize right now for confusing y'all once again...
after the issue was brought up about slam and presenting at that concert, we
realized that more time was needed to bring info. on this program to the list.
so.....
    i am still collecting votes on which charity to send the money to for
amy's birthday, but they are unofficial.  in a few weeks, when all information
has been distributed, we will be taking the top few vote getters and putting
them up to an official vote.... does this sound good to everyone?  sorry
again,
leslie m.

hullo! =)
aye, 'tis moi minus the 1 after the sanawike part.  hope you can all adjust...
now, this is my computer, my account, my address... all of it, so i know
there's probably some poor soul out there still waiting for a cd from me or
something, and here's where you can find me from now on. =)  sharon, you're
all taken care of; i know it's been awhile... so here i am, and i think i'd
like to re-subscribe, so if you know how, feel free to e-mail me.  or if you
just want to chat, you can e-mail, too.  or if you want to trade mix tapes,
you should e-mail me, too, because i have a dire need for new music! :0  so,
that's it.  later, tater tots! =)  luvs & huggies, sanawike (sarah)

they were dead! he had been holding them (without water) since he got in
line at about noon that day, so they had spent almost eight hours in 30
degree weather and then one in the hot auditorium. it was funny!

margaret

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