lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-03c


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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 04:17:17 -0800
reply-to:     gino delfin <gldelfin@rocketmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         gino delfin <gldelfin@rocketmail.com>
subject:      anyone got chords for sots?
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hello everybody,

   i'm new on the list, and i am really impressed
with the girls' newest album. could anyone spare me
chords for songs in this album, aside from shame on
you and don't give that girl a gun? i could really
use those for entertaining myself (and none other
else, i'm afraid) when i'm alone.


                             thanks a lot, y'all
                                   gino

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 09:59:34 -0600
reply-to:     bwexplor@execpc.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kathleen a. wall" <bwexplor@execpc.com>
subject:      re: anyone got chords for sots?
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hi y'all:
since i have seen this question pop up several times recently i thought
i would share what i know with everyone.  i hope it helps.

here is the web site that i found for
indigo girls guitar chords
the above should be a direct link, but just in case:
http://www2.bitstream.net/~acs/music/ig/

more specifically, since you are new to the site: check out
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/artists/by_genre/rock/indigo_girls/

happy hunting.
                                 [image]
there's more than one answer to these questions pointing me in a crooked
                                  line
     and the less i seek my source for some definitive, the closer i
                               am to fine,
                         the closer i am to fine

gino delfin wrote:

> hello everybody,
>
>    i'm new on the list, and i am really impressed
> with the girls' newest album. could anyone spare me
> chords for songs in this album, aside from shame on
> you and don't give that girl a gun? i could really
> use those for entertaining myself (and none other
> else, i'm afraid) when i'm alone.
>
>                              thanks a lot, y'all
>                                    gino
>
> _________________________________________________________
> do you yahoo!?
> get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> --
> please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
>         long signatures, attachments or flames to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>         http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig


gino delfin wrote:

> hello everybody,
>
>    i'm new on the list, and i am really impressed
> with the girls' newest album. could anyone spare me
> chords for songs in this album, aside from shame on
> you and don't give that girl a gun? i could really
> use those for entertaining myself (and none other
> else, i'm afraid) when i'm alone.
>
>                              thanks a lot, y'all
>                                    gino
>
> _________________________________________________________
> do you yahoo!?
> get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> --
> please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
>         long signatures, attachments or flames to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>         http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

--
mz


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hi y'all:
<br>since i have seen this question pop up several times recently i thought
i would share what i know with everyone.  i hope it helps.

<p>here is the web site that i found for
<br><a href="http://www2.bitstream.net/~acs/music/ig/">indigo girls guitar
chords</a>
<br>the above should be a direct link, but just in case:
<br> <a href="http://www2.bitstream.net/~acs/music/ig/">http://www2.bitstream.net/~acs/music/ig/</a>

<p>more specifically, since you are new to the site: check out
<br> <a href="http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/artists/by_genre/rock/indigo_girls/">http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/artists/by_genre/rock/indigo_girls/</a>

<p>happy hunting.
<center> <img src="cid:part1.350bfae5.33d191b0@execpc.com" height=100 width=100></center>

<center><b><i><font face="comic sans ms"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>there's
more than one answer to these questions pointing me in a crooked line</font></font></font></i></b></center>

<center><b><i><font face="comic sans ms"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>and
the less i seek my source for some definitive, the closer i</font></font></font></i></b></center>

<center><b><i><font face="comic sans ms"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>am
to fine,</font></font></font></i></b></center>

<center><b><i><font face="comic sans ms"><font color="#000099"><font size=-1>the
closer i am to fine</font></font></font></i></b></center>
 
<br> 

<p>gino delfin wrote:
<blockquote type=cite>hello everybody,

<p>   i'm new on the list, and i am really impressed
<br>with the girls' newest album. could anyone spare me
<br>chords for songs in this album, aside from shame on
<br>you and don't give that girl a gun? i could really
<br>use those for entertaining myself (and none other
<br>else, i'm afraid) when i'm alone.

<p>                            
thanks a lot, y'all
<br>                                  
gino

<p>_________________________________________________________
<br>do you yahoo!?
<br>get your free @yahoo.com address at <a href="http://mail.yahoo.com">http://mail.yahoo.com</a>

<p>--
<br>please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
<br>        long signatures, attachments
or flames to the list.
<br>indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
<br>        <a href="http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig">http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig</a></blockquote>
 

<p> 
<br> 
<br> 
<br> 

<p>gino delfin wrote:
<blockquote type=cite>hello everybody,

<p>   i'm new on the list, and i am really impressed
<br>with the girls' newest album. could anyone spare me
<br>chords for songs in this album, aside from shame on
<br>you and don't give that girl a gun? i could really
<br>use those for entertaining myself (and none other
<br>else, i'm afraid) when i'm alone.

<p>                            
thanks a lot, y'all
<br>                                  
gino

<p>_________________________________________________________
<br>do you yahoo!?
<br>get your free @yahoo.com address at <a href="http://mail.yahoo.com">http://mail.yahoo.com</a>

<p>--
<br>please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
<br>        long signatures, attachments
or flames to the list.
<br>indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
<br>        <a href="http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig">http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig</a></blockquote>
 

<p>--
<br>mz
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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 10:38:02 -0600
reply-to:     bwexplor@execpc.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "kathleen a. wall" <bwexplor@execpc.com>
subject:      re: anyone got chords for sots?
x-to:         gino delfin <gldelfin@rocketmail.com>,
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hi y'all...
i have seen this request on the list several times recently so i thought
i would add info that i have discovered in my journeys:

as of yet i have not discovered chords for sots, but here is some other
info

chords (and a ton of other cool stuff) for ig songs can be found at:
http://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/music/artists/by_genre/rock/indigo_girls/

fyi - the direct link to the chord page is:
http://www2.bitstream.net/~acs/music/ig/

i hope this helps
                                 [image]
there's more than one answer to these questions pointing me in a crooked
                                  line
            and the less i seek my source for some definitive
                         the closer i am to fine

gino delfin wrote:

> hello everybody,
>
>    i'm new on the list, and i am really impressed
> with the girls' newest album. could anyone spare me
> chords for songs in this album, aside from shame on
> you and don't give that girl a gun? i could really
> use those for entertaining myself (and none other
> else, i'm afraid) when i'm alone.
>
>                              thanks a lot, y'all
>                                    gino
>
> _________________________________________________________
> do you yahoo!?
> get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
>
> --
> please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
>         long signatures, attachments or flames to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>         http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig

--
mz

--
please do not send excessive amounts of quoted text and/or nigc,
long signatures, attachments or flames to the list.
indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 11:50:02 est
reply-to:     indigofrk <indigofrk@aol.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigofrk <indigofrk@aol.com>
subject:      nigc sonia (of disappear fear) show
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hey everyone
sorry for the waste of bandwidth but i was just wondering if anyone is going
to sonia's show tonight in annapolis at the rams head ???

peace
sasha

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 19:44:33 +0100
reply-to:     anken@metronet.de
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         anken <anken@metronet.de>
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hey there,

on 1200 curfews amy introduces land of canaan something like
this:..wrote it as a ballade...but then heard the replacements...and
it wasn't anymore...

anyone here who has the wisdom or the knowledge or just an idea
what she did mean? what kind of replacements had been made?

any help 'd be appreciated...
adios,
michi.

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 11:56:36 pst
reply-to:     adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: new thread
x-to:         swood@satie.arts.usf.edu
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what songs would you like to see the indigo girls cover?

anything ani...um...cradle and all or...*thinking*...hour follows
hour...


what i think would be really interresting is to hear sarah mclachlan
take one of their songs and redo it...and them to do one of her earlier
ones...like..."home"..yah that would be good! *l*

lamia


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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 12:13:32 pst
reply-to:     adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: cover...
x-to:         s0calgal@aol.com
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interresting nigc fact:
that you might like to know since you mentioned sarah m..
the spice girls don't even know who sarah is..you'd think they'd have
heard of lilith fair!!

lamia

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 15:13:59 est
reply-to:     jrsmmbj <jrsmmbj@aol.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         jrsmmbj <jrsmmbj@aol.com>
subject:      lilith fair
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alright..i heard this rumor...i would appreciate any clarification...is it
true that lilith fair will not be selling tickets to guys this year....please
do not flame ...i am just looking for the answer....thanks josh

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 12:38:31 pst
reply-to:     adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: replacements?
x-to:         anken@metronet.de
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you know i always wondered about that too...

lamia

"we're so glad that you finally made it here, you thought nobody cared, but we did, we could tell, now you'll dance through the days, as the orchestra plays, and oh, you're aging well..."
--dar williams

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 16:04:45 est
reply-to:     grlchasr26 <grlchasr26@aol.com>
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the replacements are one of my favorite bands. when i met joan jett a few
years ago, she recommended their album "let it be". the band is no longer
together. paul westerberg has 2 solo albums. "14 songs", which was released a
few years ago is one of the best albums i have ever heard. if there's any joan
jett fans out there, she sings backup on 1 track on the album.
grl

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 16:11:11 est
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hi everyone,
   i'm confused slightly. i sent a letter asking to be in the ig fan club and
recieved nothing. i also sent a check for two posters i wanted and have
recieved nothing. this was done the end of january. so what is up with this? i
guess since i've only been in the r.e.m. fan club, maybe i'm spoiled. they are
wonderful and fast. they even send reminders with great pictures of the band
on them when your fan club membership is up. granted it is $10 a year, not
much considering you recieve the x-mas package that includes great stuff,
every year a record single with two new songs (or weird b-sides or cover
songs: i.e. wicked games, i will survive). i wish the indigo girls did
something like this.

chrisy

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 16:14:43 est
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i think they should cover the song "two little girls". erin

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 16:49:17 -0500
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to those who do not know.......


the replacements are *a band*.  granted, if you were born in the early
eighties, chances of knowing who they are are quite slim, but even the
context of amy's monlogue before the song gives one the insight that it
is not about some replacement she made.  she says, and i quote,

        "when i wrote this song it was a ballad, but then i heard the
replacements, and it wasn't anymore."

how in the hell do you hear something you replace?

back to studying-
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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 14:29:50 -0800
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hey all,

just dropping a note to say that the last few branch tapes for the tuesday
warfield show will be sent out this week. i'll post the branch list info
immediately thereafter.  thanks for your patience.

pax,
traci

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"what kind of replacement is she talking about?"  hmmmm that really made me
laugh...it's kind of ironic that as i write this i'm listening to their album
"all shook down"

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date:         mon, 16 mar 1998 00:23:03 +0100
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vielen dank!
thank all of you helping me once more out of
one particular non-knowledge...

gonna look out for the replacements,the band,
but not for changed lyrics anymore.

tschüssi dann,
michi.

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date:         sat, 14 mar 1998 15:28:22 est
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chiqhiker are you out there?  if so, please privately email me.
thanks,
rachel :]

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date:         sat, 14 mar 1998 21:16:39 -0500
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just in case anyone cares, the lilith cd is coming out on april 28th.  it
has a live indigo girls track, don't know which one, probably shame on you
again.  all the tracks are live from the lilith fair.
                              stephanie
                <who is still depressed and wonders if she's ever going to
see the girls again>

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
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date:         sat, 14 mar 1998 19:46:29 -0500
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hello happy list--i write with a request to all guitar players out there.
i just started taking lessons at this great place in chicago called the old
town school of folk music.  anyway, it's group lessons and we were asked to
go around and name our fave groups in hopes of maybe having the whole class
learn a song.  so i ask the experts--what are some of the easier more basic
songs to learn form the ig genre.  i have all the song books (yes even
though i don't play--the pictures were so purty!!!).  the thought of
learning to play ig stuff in a large group is great.  and no game
playin--don't tell me crazy game is easiest because i know you are lyin!  i
heard ctf was pretty easy to play.
        oh finally--please reply to me privately.  i have switched to the
news version of the list and will not get any replies to the list itself
unless of course sherlyn deems this newsworthy (doubtful indeed).  and for
those who've wondered about switching to the news format--it is great!
thank you sherlyn for maintaining a list where i get the facts and only the
facts.  this is not a dig against the main list--but with all the
practicing i have to do, i just don't have time to read everything anymore
:).  thanks for suggestions folks--feel free to also send me suggestions fo
other easy to learn tunes by other folky artists who are popular here.
feel even freer to send me chords to these easy songs by other artists.
talk to y'all again soon

greg

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date:         mon, 16 mar 1998 10:25:22 +1100
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hey folks,

please, *please* don't post messages containing attached
images such as jpegs or gifs to the list.  lots of people
can't view these and they chew up *lot* of bandwidth.
this means that if you've got an image as your signature
file or something like that you'll need to turn it off
when you're posting to the list.  thanks.

also, wow, lots of people mailed me about helping with the
aussie tape trees - thanks!  i'm having a little trouble
collecting my thoughts today (what an excellent weekend it
was though), but i'll get back to everybody when i get
home tonight.  thanks to all who volunteered - probably we
won't need everybody's help, but it's kind of you to
offer. :)  at any rate - if you mailed me about helping,
expect mail back in 12 hours or so...

okay, i think that's pretty much it.  back to work -
sherlyn
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i remember..."         - dar williams, "the blessings"

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 18:46:35 -0500
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hi everyone!

well, i've been off the list for quite some time (over a year perhaps?)
and i know that there is bound to have been new subscribers since then.
so i thought i would reintroduce myself to old and new alike.  <grin>

my name is lisa and i'm studying media communications at brock university
in st. catharines, ontario, canada  i also love to procrastinate -- so i'm
sure you'll see multiple messages from me as the essays start piling up!  ;)

additionally, i belong to the sarah mclachlan mailing list (my favourite
solo musician) and the "party of five" mailing list (my favourite
television show -- presently i'm going through withdrawl, since it is on
hiatus for six weeks!  argh.)  i remember this list as being very open
and friendly in the past, so i hope i'll be able to jump right back into
the fray without any difficulty.

have fun!

sincerely,
lisa j. :) --> forever that romeo and juliet girl.  do you remember me
               now?  *wink*

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date:         sun, 15 mar 1998 18:50:40 -0500
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here it is again, what has become my standard boot offer.  it's your
oportunity to expand your boot collection, and my oportunity to do random acts
of kindness.

basically, i'll dub a copy of any boot i have.  all you have to do is send me a
blank and an sase.

anyone who is interested, please email me and i will send you my boot list.
because i can't be doing 50 boots for 50 people, i am limiting it to two boots
(or less) per person.

at this point, i don't expect i'll close the offer very soon.  the last time i
made it, over 60 people responded, but only 20 or so actually sent me blanks.

:)
anna

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date:         thu, 12 mar 1998 17:32:26 -0500
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hey!

just to get this info out... i gave some of you the wrong phone number
for prodejas records to call for tickets.
call them at this number: (717)245-9390
the other phone is for the days inn... and that number was for me...
sorry!

anymore info needed... let me know..
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hey y'all--
i recall several months back some of you saying you had made a map of
atlanta (i assume) which highlighted all ig-related sites of interest.
could one of my kind friends mail me a hard-copy (paper) version of said
map (or email one to jillyc@hotmail.com because this addy doesn't
support html anything)?  i wanna be "impulsive, reckless" and go to
atlanta for break.  yee, blowing money.....whoosh.  let me know, guys.
thankeee...
jill

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hey elizabeth from denver and list friends~

        time is growing very short for amy's birthday present from the list.
her 34th birthday is april 12th ...less than a month away!!!
        i suggest that in the interest of expediency that we send birthday
contributions directly to amy at russell carter's office for chiapas??
(how's the tabulations going elizabeth?)
        that way, amy can apply the funds herself as she thinks they will
best be used.  whatdayallthink?  someone should probably contact russell
carter's office to let them know what's going on in advance of us sending in
money though.  i'll volunteer to contact rc's office if no one else wants to :)
        i'm pledging $50.00 for amy's birthday to whatever organization the
list decides upon...but be swift folks!  time is fleeting!! :o  don't be
complacent!

love~
tony


hold your love up to the sun
hold your head up high
and don't be afraid, but love one another...

and i will take my hate and turn it into love
and i will take my anger and turn it into energy
and i will walk down the street and i will hold my head up high
and i will have love in my heart
and when i have hate i will turn around and talk about it....
and i_will not_ be complacent!!

~amy ray

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the person who e-mailed me who lives in enid, ok can you re email me. i got
a little carried away with the delate button and deleted your messages as
well. can you also e-mail me again about what is fun to do in enid, ok.
missy

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> how in the hell do you hear something you replace?

well, i thought that she was talking about some technical musical term
or something--or that there were replacements in the members band that
made it sound different (kind of a "that thing you do" sort of thing).
in any case, it still doesn't explain what it was about hearing the
replacements that made amy change the way she viewed the song.  did the
replacements do a cover of it, or was it merely the influence of their
music?

melissa.

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oh wow..ppl think of things that never even occur to me! could someone
send me one if it is not too much trouble??? thanks!

lamia

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>date:    sun, 15 mar 1998 19:16:14 -0800
>from:    doolittle <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
>subject: amy's b-day present - please read!
>
>hey elizabeth from denver and list friends~
>
>        time is growing very short for amy's birthday present from the list.
>her 34th birthday is april 12th ...less than a month away!!!
>
so is that it then?? i'm just trying to understand....should we be writing
checks before you or some nice soul checks with the russell carter office
to make sure the money will be put in the right place?  what's the address??
just askin,
stacy.  :)

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> subject: replacements
> date: sun, 15 mar 1998 21:46:32 -0700
> from: melissa genevieve young <mgy2@email.byu.edu>
>
> > how in the hell do you hear something you replace?
>
> well, i thought that she was talking about some technical musical term
> or something--or that there were replacements in the members band that
> made it sound different (kind of a "that thing you do" sort of thing).
> in any case, it still doesn't explain what it was about hearing the
> replacements that made amy change the way she viewed the song.  did the
> replacements do a cover of it, or was it merely the influence of their
> music?
>
> melissa.


the influence of the music.....
go find a song or two by them and you will *completely* understand.


off to bed to sleep off the guiness-
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hey all,

i have the following for sale:

1200 curfews promo "ticket" - $5
back on the bus y'all - 2 sided - promo poster - $10
rites of passage - full sized poster - $15
white tank top w/blue "indigo girls" - xl - $10
rites of passage - tour book - $10
rites of passage - white tee w/color art on front - xl - $15
nomads, indians, saints - white tee w/color art front/back - xl - $15
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please send questions/requests to stevet@ibm.net

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sarah is watching the women's ncaa basketball stuff, and some of the
players fell into a heap.
the announcer said "looks like they're 'tangled up in blue'"
i guess one of the players is wearing a blue uniform
thats funny....
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         ani difranco lends her voice to an episode of the
         fox animated series king of the hill on may 10th.
         difranco can be seen performing on the late show
         with david letterman on friday, march 27th, and
         she'll also appear on abc in concert later this
         month.

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since someone mentioned joan jett in an earlier post...did anyone else
happen to notice that she thanks ig in the liner notes of  _fit to be tied_
?  just wondering if that had anything to do with her appearance at msg with
a&e last year.

karen

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the replacements are one of the most influential bands of the '80s...not to
mention the fact that amy says that when she was writing it it was going to be
a ballad...so how could the replacements cover it???

you need to go and download soundbites off the web of the replacements or buy
a cd or get someone to make you a tape or something..you're really missing
out...

so in a nutshell the replacements influenced amy in her writing...

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ok, the results are in, with chiapas taking it by a landslide.
both youth pride and slam made a strong showing, so
we should look to one of those for emily's birthday.  tony
is right, time is tight.  now we have to decide which organization
to give money to.

1.  the atlanta chapter of ncdm -- just started, could use the
money to get things off the ground, and they'd send the remaining
money to the national chapter
pros:  amy will most likely be involved with this group when they
stop touring, and it would give them a great boost to get some things
accomplished & set up right away
cons:  they don't have charity status yet, so we wouldn't get receipts
for tax-freeness.  (not that it should matter to most of us who don't
take tax write-offs for houses, etc)

2.  the national ncdm chapter
pros:  donations can be tax write-offs, and since they have been going
for a couple years now, they probably have a better idea of how to use
donations and where the money would be best spent
cons:  it wouldn't be as personalized as money going to her home-town group

let's get a good discussion going on this.  what does everyone think?
i personally vote for the atlanta group!  of course we could each send to
the group we want, and someone (don't all look at me.. : ) could tally the
amount
for the certificate we give amy later.  that would make it quicker.

also let me know (thanks tony!) who wants to donate what, so i can get
a general idea of how much is going to this incredible cause!

love y'all!  thanks for all the support.
elizabeth

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hey kaplan...you out there?  lemmeno...

love,
lisa

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greetings.

1. i am wondering if i am missing a big chunk of where the girls are during
the rest of march/first of april.  i will be traveling for about three
weeks, collecting data during that time, and was hoping our paths might
cross.
would some kind friend please send me any tour dates you  may have?

2. also, if anyone has any suggestions about what to do/not to do in key west,
please feel free to share that info as well.

thanks in advance.

deb de canada

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i think we should give the money to the atlanta chapter of the ncdm
- as elizabeth mentioned, they are a new group, just getting
started, so they probably need the money as a foundation so they can
do greater things.

john.


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the torment is being in."

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to all who were born after 1980:

fyi...the replacements are probably considered one of the premier bands of the
1980's.  in my opinion, they were one of the few bands of that era with any
substance at all (other bands include rem and the cure).  you might know the
lead singer of the replacements a little better that the band itself.  his
name is paul westerberg and could be heard on the catchy tunes of the movie,
"singles".  one of the songs on that alubum is the one that says,

"na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na na"(repeat for infinity)

so, anyways.  i'm not trying to flame anyone for not knowing who the
replacements, i'm just trying to keep you guys informed! :)

by the way!!!! (nigc)

does anyone know the release date of liz phair's new cd?  just wondering.....


thanks.

brian

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j/w b/c i haven't been on the list long..are we all sending a check to
someone and letting them handle it or are we all sending individual
checks somewhere??? lemme know!

lamia

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we should send our checks to the actual organization,
as opposed to one person, given the time constraints.  i'm
working on getting an exact name & address for both local
and national chapters.  people in the same area should get
together and write one check or money order.  keep emailing
me with how much and which group (national or local) you
want to send to so i can get some idea of how much we'll raise.

also, ask your company, school, church, etc. if they have a charity
matching program -- some actually do!  let the money
grubbing begin.

can anyone tell me if any of this is making it to the news only
list?

also, i'm looking for an ig boot for a friend of mine, 8/24/92
at the great american music hall with joan baez and others,
does anyone know if this exists?

thanks!
elizabeth from denver in the caribbean!
http://members.tripod.com/~wwactivism/me.html

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i'm thinking of making the trip to the mississippi state & memphis
shows, does anyone live in the area who plans to attend both?
i'm hoping to get amy's birthday certificate to her at one of these.
if anyone has back-stage pass type info, definitely email me.

elizabeth from denver

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hi y'all,

sarah m. played here in albuquerque, nm on friday the 13th.  she gave
an interview at the local radio station friday morning and was asked
about lilith '98.  she said that ig would play at lilith for at least
the first week, and maybe the first leg of the tour.
so all you on the west side will be sure to see the girls at lilith.

hoping lilith comes to nm,
cynthia

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i think it is good that people are giving to one of their favorite
charities. i wish i could help, but i barely make enough money to pay my
own bills so i wish all who are helping good luck. missy

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anyone ever see the movie "the prime of miss jean brodie"?  it's very relevant.

gabrielle

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hey kind friends,

this is joan morrison and i'm e-mailing from work, where i now have web
access.  woo hoo! do not reply to this address, though. reply to my home
addy, which is 103161.3515@compuserve.com

anyway, i was doing some research on the pollstar site, and found more info
on the nashville river festival that so many of you have e-mailed me about.
some of the artists are just listed as appearing at riverfront park on
those dates (as opposed to "river festival"), so i assume they are included
in the lineup.  i know nothing about ticket info, but from what i am able
to gather, the river festival is meant to replace the now-defunct summer
lights festival.  much better lineup for this festival, imho!

here the lineup as of now:

friday, may 1:
steve earle

saturday, may 2:
2 skinnee j's
agents of good roots
meski martin and wood
ziggy marley and the melody makers
keb' mo
paula cole
bonnie raitt

sunday, may 3:
delbert mcclinton
garrison starr
indigo girls

that's all i know at this point.  if you have any questions, e-mail me
privately at my home e-mail addy.

peace,

joan :-d

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god, should this even be answered?
ben

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teeny ref to a. ray but more about the much hoped for rtpr in the end of a
nice & chatty but too-short article on ani in the english lesbian mag diva:

power babe
by lucy o'brien

...difranco is also adept at making connections with other female artists.
suzanne vega is a close friend, as is amy ray from the indigo girls.
"she's a doll, i love her dearly," difranco says of ray.  "we're very
similar in lots of ways.  we're bothi nthe position of being pseudo-rock
stars but neither of us is impressed with the whole thing.  we call each
other up every couple of weeks and bring each other back down to earth."

<snip janis ian discussion>

...she is by far happiest singing live on stage, because to her, music is
an inherently social at.  her dream is to work with amy ray, staging the
rolling thunder pussy revue, an idea of theirs that started as a joke and
which one day may become a reality.  "an antidote to rather earnest us
women's music festivals, this would be a "revolutionary chick festival that
pushed the envelope a little."  there's a gleam in her eye as she goes on
to explain how "cool it would be to put everyone on stage together,
everything from fuckin' lucinda williams to tribe 8.  the thing about
women--as evidenced by the lilith fair--is that they all get to know each
other and end up playing together.  i've done a lot of rock festivals where
there's a lot of posturing among men and not much jamming.  it'd be really
cool to get a group of diverse, crazy women together, to see if you put
them on tour long enough what they would do."
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h

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hey everyone!
      i was wondering if anyone has ever heard about amy or emily having
internet access? because they could have it and no one knows about it b/c they
were under their screenname of course! but if anyone has any ideas or comments
they can e mail me back!
        thanks,
             jackie
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our hearts grow nearer"

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how is everyone? i was just wondering what the average age was in this group?
and the male/female ratio. so if you would be so kind as to email me back i
would be very appreciative! thanks yall, jackie

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send jokes..raunchier the better

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in a message dated 98-03-16 15:33:40 est, you write:

<< keb' mo
paula cole
bonnie raitt >>
hey y'all,

if any of you are planning to attend this festival to see ig, i can also make
a strong recommendation that you go a day early and see keb' mo.  he is an
extraordinarily talented blues singer with chops you would not believe,
especially considering how young he is.  no slam on youth here!  it's just
that he sounds extremely mature.  i had the pleasure of working with him a few
years ago on a production of spunk and i also stage managed a show he put
together while in town for that production.  he is an extremely nice and
genuine person and his music is incredible.  check him out if you get the
chance.  and seeing paula cole and bonnie raitt wouldn't be too shabby either!

peace,

pam (who is stuck in dallas until who knows when and will not be at any of the
spring shows.  yes, those are real teardrops you see on your screen! :-)

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hey y'all. anyone living in the gainesville area have any idea when tickets
for the april 14th show go on sale? i've called the o'connell center twice
today and nobody there has a clue (which, from past experience in dealing
with them, is nothing new). if you have any info, please let me know. i
promised 8 people i'd get them tickets. stupid of me, i know. thanks.

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so, i guess nashville had no hard feelings against amy after she tore
down the city in her song, eh?
i always wondered what nashvillians thought of their song.
carol

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i am really excited, i just got the letter saying that i have a position
on the pre/post staff at michigan this summer.  i'm going crazy.  i am
wondering how many people from the list have ben to the festival and if
you have any advice for a first timer... i can't stop smiling!
i needed to share with someone, my girlfriend isn't too thrilled...
she'll get over it... i hope.  any stories that anyone would like to
share, please do email me privately.  thanks!

kate
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hello, i would like to be taken off of this mailing list. i wont be online for
a while and i will suscribe when i return. thanks a lot, this will help me out
so much.
~peace, love, and indigo *

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i just thought the question was a little silly. beleive me, i wasn't
offended!
  could you actually imagine what would happen if they decided to not
include a whole gender. the whole feminist movement would be taking leaps
backwards! they would be seen as reverse discrimination and not a very
good idea for ticket sales either.
ben

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> so, i guess nashville had no hard feelings against amy after she tore
> down the city in her song, eh?
> i always wondered what nashvillians thought of their song.

   probably the same thing most of us indiana folk think of rem's "don't
go back to rockville."  great song!  lousy town!  ;)

   darius

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hey y'all,

sorry to bother everyone about this, but i accidentally deleted the email
address of the person who had this in their .sig.  does anyone know
where/when amy said this?  i think it's beautiful.

> it is important to recognize the connections between racism,
> sexism, religious intolerance, homophobia and environmental
> destruction. the zapatistas have helped strengthen my resolve
> to create hope and change within my own community and in return
> i will do what i can to support their efforts. - amy ray
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thanks!  peace, melissa

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hey everyone,

the recent replacements discussion gave me a idea for a new thread.  are
there any ig songs which you feel would work better either faster or
slower than they are now?  do you find the ig following the traditional
tempo rules in their songs i.e. serious songs are slow, happy are fast?
the girls themselves even said that they often work out a song in the
studio and then decide on the road that a song was meant to be played a
different way.

later,
diana

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hey kind friends!

here's the next installment of ig jeopardy should you decide to participate.
any money you may win will be mailed to you in your next lifetime! ;)

**categories: covers, related artists, just say no, ig songs, daemon records**

covers-
$100    *this train-revised* is based upon the song *this train* first
popularized by         this american folk legend?
$200    this popular ig tune was written by mark knopfler?
$300    amy covered this bob marley tune on tour last summer?

related artists-
$100    these "buggy" sisters performed on rop?
$200    he sings and plays harmonica on soy?
$300    emily's favorite joni mitchell song?

just say no-
$100    she thinks marijuana and hashish should be legalized?
$200    who said, "where are my drugs?", on the watershed video prior to
going onstage?
$300    amy consumed this alcoholic beverage while writing reunion?

ig songs-
$100    from what song is the line "pour the cement for my feet"?
$200    what song begins, "the thin horizon of a plan is almost clear"?
$300    what ig song is about "the edge of death"?

daemon records-
$100    the owner of daemon records?
$200    this name of the daemon sampler means "reverted to an untamed state
from         domestication"?
$300    amy sings the part of an alien on this daemon artist's record?

good luck folks!

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        i was just listening to bob marley *legend*.  besides ig's what is
everyone else listening to right now?

doolittle

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i'm listening to ben harper "fight for your mind" but ani difranco's
"little plastic castle" and ig self-titled are in my cd player too :)
kim
kas28024@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu
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kewl thread! :))
   i've got a 5-cd player...in it is:
catie curtis~~catie curtis
holly cole~~dark dear heart
radiohead~~ok computer
indigo girls~~rites of passage
danielle howle~~live at mckissick museum

:)jen

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> do you find the ig following the traditional
> tempo rules in their songs i.e. serious songs are slow, happy are fast?

well this isn't really an answer, but it's straight from the lips of ms. ray and
it seems related.  actually it was on the 1/27/98 warfield boot i was listening
to when i should have been writing a paper, and posting gave me another excuse
to waste time.  here's her quote.  it came right after she explained how she and
emily were having problems remembering how to make a setlist by themselves.  oh
and notice towards the end her comment about audiences singing along...

"they're [songs] divided into categories.  there are "moody/slow"--"moody" and
"slow" are 2 different things.  umm.  "fast".  "fast/angry".  "mid-tempo".
"sing-a-longs".  but if it's really good then everybody sings the whole time and
it doesn't matter what you do.  this ["cut it out"] falls into the category of
"moody but sometimes gets fast".

--amy ray  jan. 27, 1998
  the warfield, san fransisco, ca

marivel

emily: "i write the songs that make the whole world sing!"
amy: "i write the songs of love and special things!"

                         "chickenman" soc
                        uc berkeley, 7/5/97

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karrie - give the girl a break. the indigo girls promote tolerance...listen
to the lyrics a little more closely.....you might learn something.

jen in seattle

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>to those who do not know.......
>
>
>the replacements are *a band*.  granted, if you were born in the early
>eighties, chances of knowing who they are are quite slim, but even the
>context of amy's monlogue before the song gives one the insight that it
>is not about some replacement she made.  she says, and i quote,
>
>        "when i wrote this song it was a ballad, but then i heard the
>replacements, and it wasn't anymore."
>
>how in the hell do you hear something you replace?
>
>back to studying-
>karrie
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you and karrie, man.  this kind of shit doesn't belong on an ig list.

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>"what kind of replacement is she talking about?"  hmmmm that really made me
>laugh...it's kind of ironic that as i write this i'm listening to their
album
>"all shook down"
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hey folks,

take it to private email...

thanks,
sherlyn

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mmmm...

well, i've got ani difranco in there - either not so soft or little plastic
castle, and a lot of melissa etheridge - specifically yes i am...

john.


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the torment is being in."

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hey all!

while i'm here i should first say that i still have a couple boot requests and
some photos sases that haven't been sent yet, so if you're still waiting for
something from me, it'll be comin' soon, i swear!

next, i have a question for those of you who know lots about newport and
virginia slam (any clue if this last one is general admission or reserved?).
can anyone fill me in on exactly how long the girls will be performing for these
two shows.  will they be full 2 hour sets, or abreviated lilith-like sets of an
hour or less.  any info is greatly appreciated...

and finally i have a little request about maybe halting this "what are you
listening to now?" thread before it gets off the ground.  i have a feeling this
is going to be a very unpopular suggestion since dozens (possibly more) of you
participated the last time it was on the list (only a few weeks ago if i recall
correctly).  i know there is a news only group for people who don't like the
nigc stuff at all, but i happen to like most of the it, i swear.  i just don't
*love* when nigc threads start producing 150 posts per day with 1-5 lists.  but
hey if i get voted down, i'll happily delete.  no biggee.  just thought i'd get
in a few words before the lists start a-comin'...

marivel

emily: "i write the songs that make the whole world sing!"
amy: "i write the songs of love and special things!"

                         "chickenman" soc
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date:         tue, 17 mar 1998 03:08:09 -0800
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yeah well,

   i have white on blond by scottish band texas,
natalie merchant's tigerlily. joni mitchell's hits,
and rem's automatic for the people.

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date:         tue, 17 mar 1998 06:37:07 -0500
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gee, i only have a single cd player :) but right now it has jill
sobule's "things here are different" in it.
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subject:      re: newport/va slam and a "latest cd" request...
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hey folks,

marivel said:
>and finally i have a little request about maybe halting this "what are you
>listening to now?" thread before it gets off the ground.

i'm with marivel on this one... sorry to spoil your
fun, as it were, but these threads really do have a
way of getting way out of control...

cheers,
sherlyn
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      so you can see tomorrow..."       - merril bainbridge

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i think dead man's hill would make a nice upbeat song when played
faster.
and maybe fare thee well, but i don't think that would suit to the
lyrics!

anne

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does anyone know how i can get tickets to the fayetteville, ar show on
4-19?  it's the only one even close to my area and i must go. please
help me....  thanks.
                         peace and twinkies,
                             kindra


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         we don't know which but we gotta run......
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date:         tue, 17 mar 1998 13:09:30 +0100
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does anybody know if the girls will be touring in europe in the near
future?

another question: when amy and emily finished the making of shaming of
the sun, it was mentioned that they had songs enough to make a folk
album. i have never heard anything about this album. does anybody know
something about it?

thanks, and have a nice day!
anne

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gladys knight "neither one of us"

tom waites "big joe"

emily sailers  "self made compilation"

luther vandross  "luther"

sweeny todd

ani  "little plastic castles"

just about all ya need

and karrie..no one gave you permission to leave your room yet young
lady!!

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in my cd player i have strange fire, bob dylan's blood on the tracks, and
rob wasserman's trios. but in my tape players i have 2 indigo boots,
thanks to my dear friend lani from this list :):):)
shayna

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keep them comin.( privately of course).they are helping.
mucho thanks

remember..little greggy flamer is out there riding his cute little
behind off to train for the twin cities wisc chicago aids ride....
its a killer folks..i did it 2 years ago..ended up being 502 miles in 6
vdays  on a bike..but we raised over 17 million for aids research...
he needs your help..
if there are 600 folks on the list..$5 a piece will help him meet his
goal..
a cure is comin but we need your help..
write to me  or greg..get your pledge form..send it in..$5..whats that a
pack of smokes?? 2 blank tapes????  a carton of anchoviy
humas?????(eeeyyyyeewwwww..ya know what that reminds me of ;) )
c'mon..we ccan do this..
when i did the ride the melissa etheridge list pledged $800 and i got a
measly $300 from this list..lets show them up ( cause they have spies on
this list...
actually melissa and julie wrote me a check to cover the last
$600....)..
you all know how obnoxious i can be... please don't make me have to
hound you for this..shut me up now..send greg an e-mail..send me an
e-mail..$5,10..whatever..

ok..i'll stop for now...

gflame@megsinet.net
or pooh40@mc.net

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i have five various cd players (three in the apartment, one in my car
attached to my tapedeck, one in my office at work) and my untolerant
mind is listening to:

disappear fear-live at the bottom line
susan werner-last of the good straight girls
matchbox 20-yourself or someone like you
alan jackson-everything i love
seven nations-bad dog

versitile, yet, comforting....in many ways, tolerant of various styles
of music...


peace-
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hey y'all.  guess who's back after months of being away?  me!  i see joan
morrison, pooh, greg flamer, jendy, and ben are still around.  what about
j. nick dikert?  susan b. marine?

anyway, wanted to share about the 5 cds in my changer:

1.  living under june - jann arden
2.  a few small repairs - shawn colvin
3.  beneath the devil moon - michelle malone
4.  mirror - dianne ward
5.  rop - ig

in my bedroom (go-to-sleep music)
promise - sade

in my car
the new martina mcbride cd (the one with "valentine" on it)


that'd be it.  oh, at work, i'm listening to the supremes' anthology.

i get to see ig next month!  woo hoo!!!!!

rich benson
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i forgot to mention..
with your pledge form comes a great big wet kiss from either greg or me
, depending on your preference.....

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hey everybody!

       okay... i'll bite on this one.   my cd player currently is sporting the
pixies' _doolittle_, which i bought almost a year ago, on amy's suggestion, of
course, and have yet to go a week without listening to it at least a couple of
times!  too bad they're now defunct... i'd love to see them live!  other cd's
in heavy rotation:  ani difranco's _dilate_, and cake's _fasion nugget_.
they're awesome!  :d

wanna grow... up to be... be a debaser!!!
~lisa

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reply-to:     florence bouvier -best <fbouvi@navtech.nl>
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hi everyone!

with my friends we want to play nashville. are there any harmonica players on
the list, by any chance? the song is played with the capo on 2 on the guitar,
so which kind of harmonica do we need??? i thought it would be a harmonica in
d-key but i was told i should use one in e-key. does anyone know for sure??

cheers,

florence.

ps: anne, welcome back on the list!  :)

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sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but lisa tatonetti, if you're out there,
please e-mail me!

rich benson
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hi :o)

        does anyone happen to have a boot from 1/24/98 rose garden in
portland, oregon.....or 2/3/98 hard rock hotel in las vegas? if you do i'd
loove to work out a trade?1 thanks! :o)

                                                          -heather

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hi y'all,
     i was wondering if any of you know if the ig's will be around the area of
buffalo soon or if the lf tour will be passing through?  syracuse, rochester,
saratoga springs, and niagara falls are also close enough for me, too.  please
e-amil me privately.  thanks and have a great st. patty's day!!!
sham"rock"ingly yours,
bethany

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ok so i'm a bit excited, as is everyone at the local atlanta chapter!
the vast majority of you that i've heard from are donating
directly to them, and we all love ya for it!

change of plans:  please stop sending me the amount you are
thinking of sending, and start sending me your full name plus
amount *after* you send it to one of the following orgs.  i will
be double checking with the orgs, so no cheating!  your name
will go on the certificate we give amy when your donation is
confirmed.  please please see how many people you can get to
contribute to this cause, round up all your ig buddies and pool
some funds.  i'll be doing the same!  12 days and i'll actually be
in chiapas!  yes i'm scared to death, and very excited as well.
both the atlanta chapter and national people have been extremely
supportive of me and given me great information, so i can personally
vouch for their coolness!

------------------------------------
local atlanta chapter:
make checks to: north american neighborhood association.
send to:
     nana
     3195 misty creek drive
     decatur, georgia 30033
------------------------------------
national chapter:
make checks to:  national commission for democracy in mexico
address:
     ncdm
     2001 montana
     suite b
     el paso, texas 79903
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so write those checks/money orders!
hugs,
elizabeth from denver

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hi,
from what i understand from the sac, the university of memphis show on
april 17 is a student-only show but a non-student can go as a guest of a
student. if anyone has further information on tickets or if there is a
student of that university on the list who might consider getting extra
tickets...please email me privately.
thanks,
lani

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>everyone else listening to right now?
well, at least we don't have to list *10* most recently listened to
things....
i'm listening to disappear fear, disappear fear @ 12:38 est on march 17,
1998
carol


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i forgot to stress that you should include your name & address
with your check/money order, plus an indication that it's in
amy ray's name, for her birthday project.  the local atlanta
chapter is expecting us, and have most likely set up a
separate account for us.  the national chapter may not have
a clue what is going on, tho, so specifically tell them what
you are doing.

elizabeth from denver

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great thread!!!!!!

in my discman= janis joplin, pearl
in the cd-rom= dar williams, the mortal city
in my stereo= garrison starr, 18 over me

lamia

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marivel:

please e-mail me ....

chris

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you wrote:
danielle howle~~live at mckissick museum

ok, i was listening to her and the tantrums on the ig boot i have...and
it's kind of hard to tell, but they sound like they kick ass! but i know
that there's a lot of stuff out...on a bunch of different labels...so
which should i buy first??????? advice please??

lamia

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hey everyone...
ok so i was checking out everyone's sigs, and since i have my little
collection of quotes, i was wondering if some people would send me their
favorite quotes.  can be about anything, by anyone (i think i may have all the
ig ones though : )  but send em anyways....

next, i would like to say that sonia of disappear fear if just one of the
coolest people i have met in a long time (as is her manager).   we saw her
play at the ram's head in annapolis the other night after being let in even
though we werent 21, but i wont go into that...   she was just very cool and
she is the headliner of our benefit for smyal....  she told us how a charity
like smyal (the sexual minority youth assistance league)  is one of the most
important causes and she would do a show for that any day because no one
should have to grow up ashamed of who they are.    so i just think that she
rocks....and (again)  i ask anyone who lives in the md/va/dc area to please
come to our show on april 2, with sonia at the black cat. tickets are 10 bucks
and it goes to a good cause.  you can get tix from me or ticketbastard.....
ok i am rambling, and i forgot my point i had about ig....oh well i will
remember....

peace
sasha

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so could someone actually tell me what "feral" actually is?

st-st-st-st-st-steph

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grateful dead...  dick's picks - volume six - disc two...  track two...
and it lies in my cd-rom so the quality is marginal...

8-)

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the cd player i have right now only holds one cd at a time (i lost the 24 cd
changer in recent split).

that one cd would be halcyon "slightly confusing to strangers"
... highly recomended to any ig fan!  and available through ladyslipper!!

catch them live in atlanta all this month!

~~robin

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1) the laura love collection - laura love
2) blood on the tracks - bob dylan
3) living in clip! - ani difranco (disc 1)
4) living in clip! - ani difranco (disc 2)
5) a personal cd i made for myself from boot tapes, it has some
   lilith fair boots, ani boots, ig boots, laika boots and misc
   athens, georgia bands.
6) 1200 curfews - indigo girls (disc 2)

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i was thinking about the fast/slow thread and it occurs to me
that i really don't think there can be a gauge for that kind of
thing because the first time we ever heard them they were pretty
much at the speed they're recorded on the album or what we would
hear at a concert.

i think an interesting thread might be what words from a particular
song might work in another song, either another ig song or any other
artist's song.

for example, the words to "shame on you" could go to the song "the
wrong way" by sublime.  if you listen to it next time try to envision
where the words might go.  it's not perfect but it's fun.  another one
is to just say the words of some song in a poet-like fashion.  some of
them are quite interesting.  envision "closer to fine" spoken in
poet-like merit.  "i'm trying to tell you ..... something about *my*
life..."

having an indigo day... :)

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my cd player has ani's little plastic castle
and the one in my car has paula cole's this fire

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ani difranco - "little plastic castle"

michelle malone - "beneath the devil moon"

lift - "lifelike"

red letter day - "4 bowls of colour"

toshi reagon - "kindness"

see ya'll
- annie

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hey everyone,
    i am trying to start a boot collection of the indigo girls and i only have
3 shows.  i will be willing to trade with anyone for any shows.

  the boots that i have are:

  decatur, ga    5/9/87
  decatur square - audience - 90 min.
summertime
cold as ice
never stop
holy city
crazy game
love of the common people
no way to treat a friend
the water is wide
lifeblood
dont give up on me baby
make this house a home
up in smoke
(happy birthday)
romeo and juliet
history of us
love the one you're with
peace song

lancaster, pa  5/7/93
franklin and marshall college - audience - 100 min.

joking
hammer and a nail
strange fire
pushin' th needle too far
love will come to you
land of canaan
galileo
never stop
center stage
play it again sam
romeo and juliet
southland in the springtime
prince of darkness
chickenman
watershed
all along the watchtower
american tune

denver, co   8/21/90
paramount theater  -fm - 90 min.

welcome me
world falls
hammer and a nail
crazy came
pushin' the needle too far
you and me of the 10000 wars
watershed
southland in the springtime
the girl with the weight of the world in her hands
love and anger
closer to fine
??
prince of darkness
love's recovery
mona lisa
get together


the shows i definitely want are the shows i have been to. i will take anything
though!

    sun.  may 25, 1997
     chastain park
     decatur, ga

     fri. may 23, 1997
     chastain park
     decatur, ga

     wed. nov. 26, 1997
     at the fabulous fox
     atlanta, ga

     thu.  oct.16, 1997
     mud island amphitheatre
    memphis, tn


hope you like them.  e-mail me personally if you want to trade at
zoosoccer@aol.com
thanks
marcy

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hey y'all,

i'm auctioning off pretty much all of my collectible cd's so i can get
some money for this summer (i'm also going to add 10% of what i get from
the auction to my donation to amy's b-day present).
i've listed the items (including setlists) and put a starting bid in []
if you want to bid on one or more items email me privately at
mandi96@airmail.net.  i will give you a number and then send out emails
to all the bidders for one item to let you know who has the highest
bid.  sound good??  if you have any questions let me know!!!

4.5 [$10]
joking, hammer and nail, kid fears, galileo, tried to be true, power of
two, pushing the needle to far, reunion, closer to fine, three hits,
least complicated, touch me fall, love's recovery, land of canaan, ghost

levees that break in my heart [$10]
high horse, carolina in my mind, come down in time, dancing shoes,
danny's song, father and son, you've got a friend, her town too, a
junkie's lament, back together again, long ago far away, a heart in new
york, house at pooh corner, rock me on the water, it's too late,
tuesday's children, wysteria, three hits

touch me fall (digipak single) [$7]

target starter kit [$4]
galileo, welcome me, least complicated, three hits, ghost, kid fears,
closer to fine

power of two single [$8]
power of two (single edit), dead man's hill (studio acoustic duo mix),
mystery(studio acoustic duo mix), rockin in the free world (with k's
choice, live-atlanta)

uptown girls [$25]
closer to fine, secure yourself, land of canaan, blood and fire, strange
fire, prince of darkness, crazy game, kid fears (with michael stipe),
welcome me, love's recovery, get together, all along the watchtower,
three hits, power of two, least complicated

that's it.  let the bidding begin (privately of course :))

love,
mandi

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hmmm....this is a good one!!

1) danielle howle: about to burst
2) indigo girls: swamp ophelia
3) ani difranco: little plastic castle
4) michelle malone: new experience
   and last but certainly not least!!
5) danielle howle and the tantrums: do a two sable

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i really like their newest album..."do a two sable" the best right now (maybe
'cause it's new??)  but, danielle told me she thinks "about to burst" is her
best...so..i dunno..all her stuff is great!! :))
~jen

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well right now i am listening to the soundtrack to "my best friend's wedding"
but a minute ago i was listening to no other than the indigo girls self titled
album.
~love, peace, indigo power,
alyssa

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in a message dated 98-03-17 01:47:39 est, tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net writes:

<<  i was just listening to bob marley *legend*.  besides ig's what is
everyone else listening to right now?

doolittle
  >>
all i really ever listen to is the indigo girls and dave mathews band!
marcy

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yield- pearl jam
rop
sf
sublime- sublime
crash- dave matthews band
see y'all :)
flann

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hey everyone,

i found this on cnn news - i think it comes from a
detroit paper originally...

-sherlyn


various artists ''where have all the flowers gone: the songs of
        pete seeger'' (appleseed/red house)
4 stars
unlike pop performers, the great folk singers win their renown
because they write great songs -- which is certainly the case
with pete seeger. more importantly, seeger wrote the kind of
songs that can be sung by anyone. this is proven throughout
this two-cd, 39-song collection, which features always-credible
and often-wonderful covers by the likes of bruce springsteen,
ani difranco, donovan, bruce cockburn, studs terkel, indigo
girls, judy collins, jackson browne, bonnie raitt, and peter,
paul & mary. better yet, seeger is alive and part of this
tribute in more than just spirit, appearing in an old recording
of the weavers' ''wimoweh'' and closing the set with the
appropriate ''and still i am searching.''


=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig
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and the days that opened up until my whole life could belong.
it's like getting the answers, when i don't need them anymore...
i remember..."         - dar williams, "the blessings"

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rick wrote:
>i think an interesting thread might be what words from a particular
>song might work in another song, either another ig song or any other
>artist's song.

or how about same song in a foreign language?  i love to sing ig in french.
sometimes it works!  (like "winthrop"--quand nous allons a winthrop... :)

<snip>>
>for example, the words to "shame on you" could go to the song "the
>wrong way" by sublime.  if you listen to it next time try to envision
>where the words might go.  it's not perfect but it's fun.  another one
>is to just say the words of some song in a poet-like fashion.  some of
>them are quite interesting.  envision "closer to fine" spoken in
>poet-like merit.  "i'm trying to tell you ..... something about *my*
>life..."
if you do that, some of it becomes utter nonsense.  think of "cut it
out"...  sys...  although, said sneeringly or suggestively, these could be
incredible.  hmmmm...  some of it is poor poetry, excellent songs, y'know?
mystery is perfect sung *or* spoken.

then again, if you "spoke" some of pj harvey's (whose voice is screeching
from my cd player), you'd get arrested. ;)

h, who's still looking for feminist lyrics, though those that have helped
have really helped.  thanks y'all.
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/artemis9/femlyrics.html

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in a message dated 98-03-17 13:43:39 est, saliers_ray@hotmail.com writes:

<< danielle howle >>
just so you can all be really jealous...danielle came for an in studio
interview at my fave radio station, and the dj sent me a cassette of
it!!!!!!!!!!1  it's so great and i love it - what a wonderful personality she
has!

bon

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hey ya'll

currently playing in bon ville

joan osborne relish

1998 grammy nominees

neil young harvest

but i want what annie has on hers!  ;)

bon

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heylistees

i've been through a few of these what do you have on your cd player threads
but i always enjoying seeing what ya'll are into.  sorry it got called to a
halt!
oh well can't please them all
bon

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 10:39:42 +1000
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subject:      heeeeelllllpppp!!
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hey everyone,

i need your heeeeellllllppppp!!!

some horrible pig broke into my house recently and took all my cd and
stereo!! and yes.....all my ig stuff too!! i need a fix!

sooo....i would love to hear from anyone who wouldn't mind sharing some of
their boot collections with me!??

thanks!!!

jo

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date:         tue, 17 mar 1998 21:01:18 est
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apologies to those who feel this is a waste of band width....

sonia.....almost chocolate

on deck:

paula cole........harbinger
bruce cockburn...........circles in the stream

best wishes to all on the list
tim

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> so could someone actually tell me what "feral" actually is?>

actually, it's funny you'd ask that as i am in vet school and we're taking behaviour
at this very moment. in terms of animals, feral is any animal that was domesticated
and returns to the wild, although not to it's original wild state. ie.  stray cats can
become feral but won't become "wild cats"
hope this answers your question.

by the way, why are you asking?

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hey y'all--

okay, i know lots and lots (probably all) of you have those classic
early  boots-- ya know, tuesday's children, purple parrot, white dot,
color me grey, etc...
i want some really, *really* good quality copies of these boots.  if
anyone out there has fairly nice, clear versions of these, please
privately email me and let's deal...
jill (ticking off the guy next door because my roommate and i keep
playing ig...  he's retaliating with the prodigy.  arg.)

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hmm..
at the moment of course michelle penn is in heavy rotation, i also picked up
the ne shania twain cd and much to my post redneck chagrin.. really like it.
fleetwood mac- the dance ahh i love them..  and then there is always the local
artist mix tape with the likes of shawn mullins, ashley and mark, wendy
bucklew, michelle malone, caroline aiken, dede vogt, kristen and danielle. and
of course my favorite selections from jesus christ superstar.
i can tell you what isn"t in my cd player at the moment.. and that would be
the celine dion song from titanic .. if i hear that song one more time i am
going to scream!!!!!!

later,
emo

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oh yeah and how could i forget sarah machlaclan( hmm that doesn't seem like
the correct spelling but i am going with it.. )

emo

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in my cd player... ferron-phantom center :) the artist who is coming to
iowa city, april 25th at mcbride auditorium(i can broadcast that now that i
have my tickets ;) anyone have any ferron boots they wish to trade? i have
several... five or 6 now, and lots of indigo girls, melissa ehteridge, and
kd lang to trade, your list gets mine. peace, karen

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ok, again with the listing thing.....

1)  ani difranco - little plastic castle
2)  beastie boys - ill communication
3)  ben harper - the will to live
4)  blind melon - nico
5)  liz phair - whip smart

hope everyone had a great st. pat's day!

brian

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i am so excited because i was at our student-run cafe (here at swarthmore)
and they were passing out flyers that said pamela means is playing here, in
our little cafe, tomorrow and thursday night.  yay!  i am sooooo thrilled!
i play her on my radio show and think she is awesome, though i have only
heard a minimal amount of stuff.  can't wait to hear more tomorrow night.
yay again!!!!

alisa

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try singing galileo to the chords of closer to fine.  it works.
or wood song to the galileo chords.

wendell

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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list (before my mail went
down for the afternoon, grr)...

-sherlyn

>
>dates & talent line-up announced for atlanta's 5th anniversary music midtown
>festival
>
>atlanta, march 17 - festival organizers, alex cooley and peter conlon are
>pleased to announce the dates and talent line-up for the 5th anniversary
>celebration of atlanta's music midtown festival.  set for may 1, 2 and 3 in
>the heart of midtown atlanta against a picturesque skyline, music midtown
1998
>will continue its tradition of celebrating musical diversity.
>
>music midtown unites a culturally and demographically diverse mix of people
>from around the country to share their appreciation of the arts and to
>celebrate their differences.  offering fun for the entire family, atlanta's
>only three day, multi stage, outdoor music festival features over 100
>international, national, regional and local performers, food from atlanta
>restaurants, an artist market featuring artisans from throughout the
>southeast, kids-town for the little ones and so much more!
>
>with over 200,000 people in attendance for the 1997 festival, music midtown's
>1998 line-up promises to be just as exciting.  here are just a few of the
>artists announced today:  alejandro escovedo, anne murray, austin lounge
>lizards, booker t & the mg's, chumbawamba, creedance clearwater revisted,
>david byrne, dee dee bridgewater, duke ellington orchestra, etta james,
>fastball, foo fighters, indigo girls, kenny wayne shepard, letters to cleo,
>mavis staples, paula cole, robert cray, semisonic, sister hazel, tito puente,
>tonic, violent femmes, vonda shepard and the list goes on.
>
>some of the corporate sponsors confirmed are bmw of north atlanta,
blockbuster
>music, budweiser, southern comfort, tommy hilfiger / rich's, coca-cola,
>fountainhead water and powertel/siemens.
>
>patrons can access festival information by calling 770-mid-town or checking
>out the festival website at www.musicmidtown.com.  tickets for the music
>midtown festival go on sale friday, march 20th.
>
>photos are available and a complete line-up is available by request.
>
>source  atlanta's music midtown festival

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hi again--first off--thank you pooh dah-ling for being my unofficial
spokeswoman for the aids ride thingy.  i have recieved lots of support so
far from very generous listers--even those who i know don't like me have
contributed.  talk about maturity!  i am impressed.  i don't want to
clutter up the list here with my personal agenda so i will try not to post
about this again.  but as pooh said no nicely (and way more directly than
me) every bit definitely helps and there is no minimum amount.  so please
help out with anything.  i think pooh mentioned sending me your address and
stuff. however, i have found that the easiest way to do this is for those
interested to just send me a check with your address written down and i
will fill out the form myself and send it in.  this way it cuts down on
emails back and forth that may get lost in the shuffle of mail.  checks can
be made out to 'chicago aids ride 3'.  my address is below in the
signature.  you can also mail me late valentine's day cards to that same
address :):).  ok--hope that's clear.  thanks for listening but more
importantly--thanks for contributing!!
        onto igc--a big thanks to all those who mailed me about easy guitar
songs.  i think land of canaan and blood and fire were the most frequently
mentioned easy tunes to pick up.  i'll get right on em :).
        i also heard on the news list that ig are doing the michigan
womyn's music fest this year.  i apologize if this has already been
discussed but can some kind soul please inform me privately of how this
happened.  i thought they were way way against doing it due to the
exclusion of men.  why the sudden change of heart?  i will reserve my
personal feelings on this until after i hear from some folks.  it sure
doesn't seem very ig to do a show that excludes some percentage of their
fan base.  someone help me understand.  thanks for readin this far.  please
email me privately with any responses--aids ride related or other.  thanks
again

flamer

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hey folks-

i found a program to make j-cards for cassettes (plus other media).

i don't know how many would be willing to pay $10 for this, but i do
know that there are some among us who will be interested.

it's called: tapedit (version 2.1). zdnet editors gave it a "5 star"
rating, so it must be pretty good. plus, there are options to create
templates for dat, video tape covers, etc.

the url to connect is below. it's long, so if it gets cut as a link by
your mail reader -- it ends with: "/info.html?fcode=000ffh" -- so you
can type it in your browser.

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those of you who wrote me..i'll forward your note to greg..?
he's the man..
keep those checks commin kids..or i'll have to nag again..
k?

gotta tell ya'll  ..i'm havin a real hard time with ig playin there with
the no male policy...anyone want to discuss this..we can do it off the
list ..or on if enuf are interested...

thanks kids

karrie..you can come out now

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hi y'all!

first of all, after tomorrow i will not be able to answer any e-mail
until sunday.  i am going to san francisco!

anyway, there was an article in my school paper about why the indigo girls
can't come.  they double booked and are playing some political rally in
texas.  that is all the information that the article gives about that.  so
i have no idea what kind of rally.  does anyone know?  i am just curious.
the article also said that the indigo girls will try to come next fall.  i
am keeping my fingers crossed!

:-) karen

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ok...

i don't like begging but i need to at this
point...after hearing so much about michelle malone i
asked christine to send me a tape of her.  she
sent...ummm new experience and parts of that one with
that cool monster song on it (i have the title at
home but i'm not there now....)  i love it!  she's
got a rockin' voice...

here's the thing... christine and i were talking and
she said that once she was at edie's attic and heard
mm do a version of "wild horses" i think it was
called?  she really wants this on tape or cd (i'm not
sure if michelle ever did it on cd)... and our
anniversary is way-too-fast approaching with
my-lack-of-knowing-what-to-get... so i turn to you
folks... does anyone have a boot of this or know if
this is on a mm cd?  i don't have any boots to trade
but i've got some really kickin' photos of the girls
in nov in mpls, ani difranco and sara lee (remember
the entire anorexia thread?) that i'm willing to
trade.  color mostly, but some bw.

thanks,
amanda

ps uncle bill.... did you approve of the ani or no?

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i posted the address information about where to send
donations for amy's birthday project on the website
with the information sent to me by the local atlanta
ncdm chapter.  it's all there:
http://members.tripod.com/~indigoempire/chiapas.html

if anyone has questions or comments, let me know.
let's get those checks in the mail!  remember to email
me your full name & amount, and send them your
name & address and some indication that it's for
amy's birthday.

i appreciate everyone's support on this project, and
your words of encouragement about my own trip.
i have to admit that if the news-only list had existed when
i first signed up, i would have been on it, and may never
have known what a great community you all are, and what
an asset it would be to my life.  <end mushy speech>

peace & hugs,
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i just wanted to share the fact i just finished listening to "ballad of
squeaky fromme" for the first time ever.  oh sheeeeeeeit! can we say
damn, babeee?! :)  my guts hurt. ;)
amy ray is the most wicked woman on the face of the earth. ;)

-bethany ;)

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hey y'all,
sorry for the nigc. but my bestest friend chloe and i went to the rosie
o'donnell show this morning and while the morning was filled with great and
exciting things, the most incredible was that we met shawn colvin. just before
we came back for commercial when she was standing there with her guitar, i
waved at her and she made a silly face and waved back and chloe and me. we
were in the first row next to the announcer. so we had a great view! then we
sang along with her and joey the audience warm-up guy came over to us and
commented on the fact that we knew all of the words. during the commercial
after shawn's segment ended, rosie brought out her new little girl chelsea for
shawn to hold and they stood right next to us. then before she left, shawn
*came over* to us and said "hi girls", shook our hands and then i asked her if
we'd see her at lilith fair and she said "only two...in la". we were like
"awww". then she put her arms out and made a gestiture of a big belly and
said, "well, i'm gonna be out to here by then" and then laughed and we said
good-bye. just had to share....still glowing...haven't slept in over 29 hours.
       dawn-michelle

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daemon records are having a competition....... you have to design a
t-shirt. all the details are on the website:

http://monsterbit.com/daemon

design our new t-shirt
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we've decided daemon needs a new t-shirt and thought maybe someone out
there would like to design it for us.
so here's the deal...create something, send it to us and we'll
announce the winner on may 1st.
the winner will have their artwork on the front of a new daemon shirt and
we'll send you a few goodies too. ten shirts of your
design for family and friends plus a $100.00 gift certificate for all
your favorite daemon merchandise. (daemon releases only)

here are the rules....

      all work must be postmarked by may 1st.
      your artwork will not be returned to you.
      be sure to give us your address and phone number so if you win we can
     contact you.
      try not to make your design too small or detailed. it might not
     transfer well to a shirt.
      the winner will have to sign a release form allowing us to use their
     work.

send to:

t-shirt contest
daemon records, inc.
p.o. box 1207
decatur, ga 30031

good luck and watch the web on the may 1st to see if you win!
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personally i can't even draw a straight line so i won't be entering but i'm
sure that there are a few budding artists out there.

have fun and take care
sharon

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i've received a few responses..some say lets open it to the list..some
say let just chat..so what do ya all wanna do? keep it private or open it
up?majority rules
and how do you male fans feel about the fact that there is now a
precedent for ig shows that you can and can not attend simply because
you're a man..
thoughts anyone?
pooh ( who should be filling out bowel charts for the state inspection( i
love my job) but decided to post here instead)

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 15:20:21 -0500
reply-to:     meghan <mkmst23+@pitt.edu>
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subject:      cd player...
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well, right now, i have all three barenaked ladies studio recordings on
scramble. you gotta love canadian boys...*if i had a million dollars*...

meghan

*what's so amazing about really deep thoughts?*

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 13:35:07 -0700
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what was emily's quote on this?  something about them having
changed their minds because if women really want to have
a festival with just women, where they can feel safe to be themselves,
then why not let them?  i don't recall where that came from, but i
remember reading it.

a couple of checks are currently on their way to the atlanta
ncdm!  way to get on the ball, y'all.  i still need submissions
from people who are interested in creating an artsy certificate.
anyone?

elizabeth from denver

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3 cds i can't seem to pry out of my player:

        mary lou lord - got no shadow
        kacy crowley - anchorless
        g. love and special sauce - yeah, it's that easy

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sorry i can't resist reading & replying to these & i get some ideas
about artists i'm not familiar with, from wise people ie ig fans
1. jcs ,a resurrection  cd 1
2. afro celt sound system vol 1
3. finley quayle - maverick a strike
4. pangea
5. steely dan - alive in america

gonna see if i can get to atlanta for the midtown festival
now for a green beer
marilyn

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i really don't think its all that bad that they're playing at mwmf.
it's not like thats all they're doing this summer.  i've heard that they
used to hate the exclusion, but now they don't think its all that bad,
its ok for a few days....
don't fret, maybe someone'll boot it!!
carol

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is it just me - or has no one else received mail today.  i just joined the
group but haven't gotten but one post since i joined.

what gives - i'm anxious to get back on the list.

b

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hi all, it's my monthly public service announcement for you all!
   if you are not getting the list for some reason or another, the last
thing you should do is post to the list asking why you haven't gotten it
yet!  relax...if it's down, no one is going to see the post and respond
to it.  if you are just too anxious to hang on for another second, try
emailing someone on the list privately, and wait.
   why are these posts problems? well, if you are like a lot of us, you
are in college and may have your list coming to a school account.  these
accounts do not have much memory allotted to them. however, if we check
them every day we can clean them out and everything is peachy. if the
list goes down for a day, and everyone posts "where is everybody? is the
list down?" and then it comes back up, our puny accounts are suddenly
flooded with too much information and crash, and we lose all kinds of
stuff.
   this isn't a flame, just a friendly reminder to our new members...
welcome aboard, and enjoy!
            peace,
                sharoane
> is it just me - or has no one else received mail today.  i just joined the
> group but haven't gotten but one post since i joined.
>
> what gives - i'm anxious to get back on the list.

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u think males should be aloud at the lillith fair. they have the right to
have fun just like the ladies. missy

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subject:      re: this mwmf no male policy thing
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i think its a load of crap myself i wanted to go to last years wth the
murmurs and to me its against what the girls stand for tolerance and
togethernesss

on wed, 18 mar 1998, pooh wrote:

> i've received a few responses..some say lets open it to the list..some
> say let just chat..so what do ya all wanna do? keep it private or open it
> up?majority rules
> and how do you male fans feel about the fact that there is now a
> precedent for ig shows that you can and can not attend simply because
> you're a man..
> thoughts anyone?
> pooh ( who should be filling out bowel charts for the state inspection( i
> love my job) but decided to post here instead)
>
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ok...i know this has been said before...i wrote it all down but i lost
it, as i am so often known to do!! *l* would someone be kind enough to
tell me the names of the books that  mention the indigo girls???
thanks!!!!!

lamia


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march 18
junebug@aeneas.net (leigh ann)
happy 25th, leigh ann!
"...wide-eyed laughing...."

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if you have emailed me about my boot offer and were wondering if i had dropped
off of the face of the planet....i just sent the list out to everyone who has
contacted me so far.  if you didn't get it, let me know.

i have recently discovered how much fun it is to sing ig stuff with someone
else.  usually, i play guitar and sing by myself 'cause i'm not very good about
finding people to do it with me.  but, in the last month or so i have been able
to experience the joy of singing with another person, and it's great!  it also
helps if she's really cute....  ;)

you know, i'm really glad that amy and emily do their stuff together.  think of
all the fun they'd miss out on if they didn't!

:)
anna

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to take a course." --john horst, physics prof at emu
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> you wrote:
> danielle howle~~live at mckissick museum

when is this??  or is it something that was in the past?  by the way, i just
met one of my girlfriends' friends that is in a band and she's good friends
with danielle.  i sure hope she can find a way for me to meet her again!  =)

thanks,
sharon

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hello.

i just got the pete seeger double cd set.  it's very wonderful if you like
more traditional style folk music.  and even though i am completely
biased, i think the indigo girl's song "letter to eve" is the best one out
of all 39 tracks.  it's so different than anything else on the cd. they
really don't make your ordinary folk music.  it's even different than
their own stuff, but i guess they keep pushing the envelope.  oh, it's a
brand new recording, not a live take from a concert.  with jerry and sara
on their respective intruments.

ani difranco also does a song called "my name is lisa kalvelage" which is
very groovy.  and john gorka's "water is wide" gives me the shivers even
without all that harmony.

check it out!
wendell

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i didn't relize i mixed up shows. i meant at the womans festivals. i
teaches me to get far behind in my mail. missy

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how do i unsuscribe from this mailing list??

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are you talking about men no being allowed to play in the lilith
line-up? i am all for that exclusion, based solely on the fact that it
was set up as a women's festival, and should, in my opinion, be
maintained as such. if we are discussing men not being allowed to attend
women's concerts, i think that is absolutely ridiculous. anyone should
be able to attend any concert they want. the ig fan base has a good
number of men and i'm sure amy and emily would be saddened by the loss
of male patrons at their concerts. what exactly is the issue here? i'm
curious....

"the flesh is strong, the spirit stronger, so shed your skin baby...let it through..." *amy ray
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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 16:47:18 -0800
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hi all...

i was wondering if anyone out there had a copy of the newport 8/11/96 show
and would be willing to trade with me?  i'm trying to locate a copy for a
friend.

also, is anyone interested in trading for the recent santa barbara, los
angeles, and san diego boot?  i know that they are out there, and i'm
rather desperate to get my hands on them...

marta

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ok..there was a post about the fact that ig were playing the michigan
womens music fest this summer and how that was a change in their policy
because in the past they refused to play because men were not allowed to
attend..( even jerry)
there were some posts about "weird feelings" about this..(mine
included)..the discussion has been taken to private e-mail( which anyone
is welcome to get into)..it s the michigan fest not lilth..
anyone can post to the list according to their intepretation of the
guidelines..we've just kept it privately, thats all..
feel free to follow your own guidelines.

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hey,

sorry for the wasted bandwidth but....

i'm unsubbing for one week due to my trip to fl and
the excess amount of mail from this list.  (not that
i'm complaining!)

i've emd someone for the mm boot, if it falls through
i'll contact another.  thanks list...i knew you could
all help.

yes uncle bill, i'll have fun in florida.

helen gladman i still need to know if you want me to
send the curve.

amanda

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 21:05:46 est
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men are allowed at lilith, they just can't perform.  i think what we were
talking about was the michigan's festival, where men aren't allowed to attend
the concert. right?

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 21:29:38 -0500
reply-to:     joan morrison <103161.3515@compuserve.com>
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howdy folks,

i got some more info on nashville river stages (yep, that's the
official name) today.  the official announcement was made today and there
was a feature about it on the 6:00 news this evening.  they didn't
announce the entire lineup, but said that bonnie raitt, foo fighters,
chumbawumba and nashvillians delbert mcclinton and matraca berg were
among the 40 different performers scheduled to play the festival,
which runs from friday, may 1 through sunday, may 3.  this sounds like
it might be patterned after atlanta's music midtown (which, incidentally,
is the very same weekend, and will be featuring many of the same artists).
once i find out the full lineup, i will post it.  indigo girls are scheduled
to play on sunday, may 3, btw.  i don't know what time, though.

3-day passes go on sale this saturday at 10:00 a.m. cst.  the ticketmaster
person i spoke with didn't know how much they would be, but said they would
know closer to saturday.   individual day tickets will be $17.50 + ticket-
monster charges, and will go on sale wednesday, march 25th.  i don't know
the 800 ticketmaster number, but the local number is (615) 255-9600.
if any of you live in the southeastern states, check with your local
ticketmaster outlets and see if they are part of ticketmaster southeast.
if they are, you can buy tickets through them.  for example, year before
last, nashville became part of ticketmaster southeast, which means i
can trot over blockbuster and buy tickets for shows in memphis, atlanta,
charlotte and other cities in that network.

for anyone familiar with the old summer lights festival in nashville,
about the only similarity river stages will share with sl will be the use
of several different stages in different locations within a few city blocks.
i gather that the bigtime acts will play on the stage at riverfront park.
i can't wait!  we must arrange a list meet earlier in the day on may 3rd!

well, that's all for now, folks...

peace,

joan :-d

p.s. does anyone know (or have a pretty good idea) whether ig will be
in town to play atlanta pride this year?  will it still be held at
piedmont park?  i heard last year that '97 might be the last year in piedmont
park due to damage to the lawn, etc.  anyone in the know about this?

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hey y'all fellow listers

i wanna talk like mark i think it's a load of crap too i'm a woman but still i
think it's wrong to exclude cuz there's way too much of that going on i think
what's happening is the girls are getting more comfy with their les image and
not trying so hard to be all inclusive and trying to get all empowered blah
blah blah and all well that is fine but music is the universal language for
gods sake and i don't like the idea of it being not available to someone just
because of their gender period.  how was that?

bonnie

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 21:45:28 -0800
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greetings listees.  rebecca at music for the masses wrote me and
requested that i post her inventory to the list one more time.  (see
below).  please note:  there is ig merchandise listed at the top of the
list.  melissa and kd merchandise follows.  the list is pretty extensive
so if you're only interested in ig, just delete once you've passed their
stuff.

thanks for your tolerance.

mftm wrote:
>
> hi faye:
> can i impose on you one last time to post this list to the ig list? i had my
> computer upgraded a couple of weeks ago, and it wiped out all of my other
> lists. so as i was doing a new inventory, i found a bunch of new stuff. i
> swear <vbg> this is the last time i'll ask ya.
> thx
> rebecca
> this is a list of everything left from music for the masses. i still accept
> both visa and mastercard. if you e-mail your order, be sure to break your
> credit card number into two separate e-mails (example: e-mail #1 - 5422 1800
> e-mail #2 6778 1800  exp 11/99)
> i need your name, address, phone number, c.c. # with expiration date, and the
> items you want (please list). if you are outside the u.s., i will bill the
> shipping separately on your c.c., so that there's no guessing as to the
> amount. within the u.s., i will let you know the shipping after you e-mail me
> your want lists. if you'd like to phone or fax your order, the # is
> 213-224-1240.
> thx
> rebecca
>
> indigo girls
>
> " strange fire"  songbooks.  p/v/g with special guitar section and lots of
> color photos.  $10.00 each plus shipping
>
>  "least complicated"  cd single from austria.  includes title track plus
> "dead man's hill" (acoustic version) and "mystery" (acoustic version), not
> found on u.s. cd single.
> $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> "tame yourself"  compilation benefiting peta, includes ig and michael stipe
> (rem) singing, "i'll give you my skin."  cd - $10.00   cassette  $7.00  (only
> one cd available)
>
> promotional tickets printed by sony for the release of "1200 curfews".
> ticket comes in two halves: #1 side - "indigo girls 1200 curfews"  epic
> records presents indigo girls live.  (http://www.sony.com). underneath is a
> small calendar setup showing the tour dates from jan to dec.
> #2 side - tuesday, october 10, 1995.  2 album set contains 27 tracks - running
> time141:56  live recording  chicago, il,  philadelphia, pa, santa monica, ca,
> atlanta, ga, los angeles, ca,  anchorage, ak,   kykotsmovi, az,  san
> francisco, ca,  denver, co,   alexandria, va,  pittsburgh, pa,  london,
> england,  winnipeg, manitoba.
> new home video - "watershed" (ten years of underground video). also available
> oct 10.    $2.00 plus shipping.
>
> "1200 curfews" flat.  12" x 12" photo on each side.  $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> k.d. lang
>
> posters
>
> "salmonberries"  posters.  these 12" x 20" posters were printed in san
> francisco for the u.s. theatrical release of the film. features a very nice
> close-up of k.d. as kotz, with the short haircut, wearing a parka. only 3
> available.  $10.00 plus shipping.
>
> "even cowgirls get the blues"  poster from england. large photo of k.d. on
> stage playing guitar and wearing her candy striped red & white suit with a
> black velvet collar. photo of uma thurman on the other side. dark blue
> background. at the bottom:  "even cowgirls get the blues" a new album from
> k.d. lang."       $25.00 plus shipping.
> "all you can eat"  poster features k.d. in her gold coveralls, looking off at
> an angle. one copy left.  $8.00 plus shipping.
>
> "absolute torch & twang"   this is a beautiful promotional poster from wb.
> 23" x 35," it's a sepia toned photo of k.d. wearing a long fringed skirt,
> cowgirl boots & hat, leaning on a guitar and gazing into a campfire. across
> the top is the legend: "k.d.lang and the reclines."  across the bottom is:
> "absolute torch & twang." only one of these available.
> $50.00 plus shipping.
>
> vh1 banner from a nyc bus. features a photo of k.d. from "ingenue." it reads:
> "we don't play videos with loud noises & angry faces. you get enough of that
> commuting."
> measures approx 8" x 36."   only one available  $20.00 plus shipping.
>
> photos
>
> 8x10 black & white glossy from "at&t."  k.d. is wearing a rancher's jacket &
> cowboy hat, and pulling on a pair of gloves.  beautiful photo.  $10.00 plus
> shipping.
>
> set of 10  3" x 5" photos from the "ingenue"  tour. these are close-up shots
> taken by a professional rock photographer on stage.   $15.00 per set (plus
> shipping).
>
> set of 10  3" x 5" photos from kd's appearance at the "lifebeat"  concert.
> she's wearing striped pajamas, sort of a joke on the fact that the concert ran
> so late, she went on about 4 hours late!  these are close up professional
> photos taken on stage.   $15.00 per set (plus shipping).
>
> backstage passes
>
> att  vip backstage passes.  laminated blue passes say: absolute torch & twang
> - vip pass.     $10.00 plus shipping.
>
> att  aftershow passes.  red & white satin aftershow passes for at&t.   $5.00
> plus ship.
>
> "ingenue"   "local crew" passes.  green & white satin passes for backstage
> access during the show.   $5.00 plus shipping.
>
> sheetmusic
>
> "constant craving"  original sheetmusic includes piano/vocal/guitar versions.
> $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> music
>
> bob telson "calling you"  cd.   features  k.d. singing "barefoot."  (telson
> co-wrote the song with k.d.).  only one copy left.. cd   $10.00 plus shipping.
>
> "tame yourself"  compilation for the benefit of peta.  k.d. sings "damned old
> dog," the only available recording of this tune.  cd - $10.00   cassette $7.00
> plus shipping.
>
> "just keep me movin"  english cd single  features 6 mixes of the title track.
> great cover photo of k.d. wearing flannel shirt with hand behind her head.
> $4.00 plus shipping.
>
> "constant craving"  french cd single includes two versions of title track and
> "tears of love's recall."  features great photo of k.d. from the "advocate"
> coming out article.
> $4.00 plus shipping.
>
> "moonglow"  promotional u.s. cd single features tony bennett & k.d. with a
> remix of the title track. great cover photo from the "unplugged" program.
> $5.00 plus shipping.
>
> "the mind of love"  (part 1)  includes title track plus  "busy being blue,"
> and "trail of broken hearts."  cover photo of k.d. sitting on a bed.  $8.00
> plus shipping.
>
> "sexuality ep"  japanese cd single includes 6 mixes of title track (including
> some not found on the u.s. release)  and a great obi.  beautiful packaging.
> $10.00 plus shipping.
>
> "sexuality"  u.s. cd single includes 6 versions of song.  $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> mrs. fun  "they are not a trio"  these women were the backup musicians on
> k.d.'s version of "so in love," and k.d. sings a track on this album "lulu's
> lament."  only available on this recording. cassette only  $9.00 plus
> shipping.
>
> "red, hot & blue"  compilation of cole porter tunes performed by different
> artists. k.d. covers "so in love."  cassette only  $6.00 plus shipping.
>
> "even cowgirls get the blues"  got a ton of these on cassette, so you can pick
> up an extra for your car really cheap! $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> magazines
>
> the advocate  full-color reprints of the coming out article with all photos.
> $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> conscious living  july/aug '94  australian mag featuring a cover story
> entitled, "the real k.d. lang." interview and great photos.  $4.00 plus
> shipping.
>
> details  nov '95  photos of k.d. wearing a dress and in a butch-y looking tank
> top and her hair slicked back. interesting article too.   $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> hq   dec '95   "k.d. lang - looking for ms. right"  great cover photo, more
> photos inside and an interview.  $8.00 plus shipping.
>
> interview  dec '92   beautiful cover photo, and three full page color photos
> inside. $5.00 plus shipping.
>
> new york  may '93  the "lesbian chic" issue. features a beautiful cover photo
> of k.d. $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> out dec/jan '96  great cover photo and story entitled, "la lang returns with
> ayce." six photos and a great five page interview. $4.00 plus shipping.
>
> rolling stone  august '93.  "k.d. lang on country, cowgirls, and lesbian
> chic."  three page interview with one full page photo of k.d. smiling at a
> bunch of flowers (?) and the original "harley"  photo.  $4.00 plus shipping.
>
> melissa etheridge
>
> cds
>
> "i'm the only one"  u.s. promo cd single  features edit and album version.
> $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> "i want to come over"  u.s. cd single includes "your little secret."  $2.00
> plus shipping.
>
> "house of blues"  radio show.  this two cd set is all live from the house of
> blues in los angeles, and features an interview with melissa on disc one. set
> sheets are included for radio broadcast. $20.00 plus shipping.
>
> "yls"  u.s. promotional cd single in a brown cardboard cover with silver
> lettering. features edit and album version of song. $4.00 plus shipping.
>
> "yls" english & french versions of the cd single. includes live versions of
> "all american girl," "bring me some water," and "skin deep."  $5.00 plus
> shipping.
>
> "yls" australian 2 cd set includes the regular disc plus  a second disc of
> live material: "come to my window," "no souvenirs," "aint it heavy,"  and "yes
> i am."
> $20.00 plus shipping.
>
> "no more secrets" 2 live cds from cologne germany show. includes: an unusual
> kiss, come to my window, i want to come over, if i wanted to, nowhere to go,
> similar features, shriner's park, change, silent legacy, i could have been
> you, you can sleep while i drive, occasionally, all the way to heaven, chrome
> plated heart, must be crazy for me, i really like you, bring me some water,
> i'm the only one, your little secret, like the way i do, and this war is over.
> $25.00 plus shipping.
>
> polygram fall 1992 promotional sampler  features "dance without sleeping"
> (radio edit).
> $4.00 plus shipping.
>
> "grammy's greatest moments"  features a live version of "bring me some water."
> $7.00 plus shipping.
>
> photos
> 8x10 black & white promo photos from island records.
> #1 is from her early career, while the perm is growing out.  $4.00 plus
> shipping.
> #2 is from "yls"  and features melissa standing at the bottom of an empty
> swimming pool, holding onto the ladder. $4.00 plus shipping.
>
> 8x10 color photos  only three poses left. professionally shot, these are all
> closeups on tour.
> #1  never enough tour. melissa is on stage wearing a brown velvet jacket and
> playing guitar.
> #2  brave & crazy tour.  long hair and bangs, tight black teeshirt with a
> suede vest. playing guitar and smiling like crazy.
> #3 b&c tour. same outfit as above. susie davis is in the background playing
> keyboards, melissa is playing guitar and leaning against the bass player
> (bernie???).
> all of the above are $5.00 each plus shipping.
>
> 3x5 photos from the following time periods: "yia," "never enough," "tribute to
> elvis in memphis (rehearsal photos), and a few "brave & crazy" photos. pick &
> choose the time periods you want.  photos are $1.50 each plus shipping.
>
> posters
>
> "yls"  this is a beautiful promo poster. i have a copy framed in my office.
> 24" x 36". background is a solid dark red with a gorgeous photo  of melissa
> wearing a black leather jacket and sort of "never enough" hair. poster has a
> very glossy finish. only a couple available.  $15.00 plus shipping.
>
> "yia"  english subway poster.  30" x 40" black & white poster for a gig at the
> royal albert hall. photo of melissa playing guitar.  $10.00 plus shipping.
>
> "yls"  promotional poster from island.  on one side is the keyhole with
> melissa looking through. on the other is a blank keyhole and the words: "your
> little secret is out november 14th!"   $5.00 plus shipping.
>
> teeshirt
>
> 100% cotton tee with the "peta" poster print (melissa & julie in the nude).
> white tee with black print. comes in large size only.  $7.00 plus shipping.
>
> sheetmusic/songbook
>
> "bring me some water"  original sheetmusic, now out of print.
> piano/vocal/guitar  $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> "come to my window" guitar/vocal with tablature. $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> "yia"  songbook.  guitar/vocal with tablature. great photo section.  $10.00
> plus shipping.
>
> magazines
>
> entertainment weekly  two page article with great photos of melissa  and
> melissa & julie. interview took place at her l.a. home a week previous to mtv
> unplugged.  $3.00 plus shipping.
>
> rolling stone  "shes the boss."  melissa on the cover in gold lame pants. 5
> photos inside and four page article including comments from ellen.  $4.00 plus
> shipping.

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 21:34:10 est
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hey y'all fellow listers

i wanna talk like mark i think it's a load of crap too i'm a woman but still i
think it's wrong to exclude cuz there's way too much of that going on i think
what's happening is the girls are getting more comfy with their les image and
not trying so hard to be all inclusive and trying to get all empowered blah
blah blah and all well that is fine but music is the universal language for
gods sake and i don't like the idea of it being not available to someone just
because of their gender period.  how was that?

bonnie

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reply-to:     carol & sarah <chickenwomyn@hotmail.com>
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>i think its a load of crap myself i wanted to go to last years wth the
>murmurs and to me its against what the girls stand for tolerance and
>togethernesss
>
yeah, i'd be pretty  pissed if i couldn't go (and i can't if nobody goes
with me...i'm not going alone!!!).
but you must remember when this was started.  this was started in the
70's...i suppose as part of the women's movement.  you mustn't forget
*centuries* of male only events.  think of country clubs and such (and
shorter bathroom lines!!).  its just *one* thing.  i hope i don't sound
too male-bashing.  what the hack has women's studies done to me?   its a
tradition of sorts...so what if ig want to join?  this is about
togetherness...for women.
carol
(who's so worried that now everyone's gonna think she's some heartless
male-bashing beeyotch...i'm not, i swear!!)

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 19:15:40 -0800
reply-to:     doolittle <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net>
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pooh wrote:
how do you male fans feel about the fact that there is now a
>precedent for ig shows that you can and can not attend simply because
>you're a man...

        personally, i think it sucks!

but life ain't fair :(
tony

p.s. i'd be much more pissed if it were nearby, like right now though! :)

p.p.s.  if the girls put in a no males policy for all of their concerts i
think i'd commit hari cari (sp?)

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date:         wed, 18 mar 1998 22:28:49 -0500
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hey everyone
i've been offline for 3 weeks due to a modem problem (picture how many
digests i'm trying to working through right now!) and i'm just wondering if
there were any trees set up for the aussie shows.
thanks
lori


gav/lor icq#8264425

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this coming monday, march 23 at eddie's attic, make sure you go see the open
mic at 7pm.  diane ward from miami is visiting you guys-- run, don't walk, to
see her.  she's awesome.  just ask rich benson.  he saw her in gainesville on
my recommendation and in his list of cds currently in his player he's got
"mirror".  you'll wanna buy it too if you hear her play and sing.  and the
release date for her latest cd is a couple of months away.

i posted a longer message about her when ig came down to coral sky in florida
last year.  she got to play on the locals stage before the show.  which should
light the fires under your pretty little asses a little brighter.  go see her!

otts

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 14:59:02 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

lori asked:
> digests i'm trying to working through right now!) and i'm just wondering if
> there were any trees set up for the aussie shows.

not quite yet, but we're working on it!  not much
longer, i swear...

:)
sherlyn
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i currently have trouble trying to decide what will end up in every evenings'
rotation.  it always seems to be between:
ani difranco-living in clip (either or both discs)
tori amos-little earthquakes or under the pink
jars of clay-much afraid or jars of clay
october project-falling father in

all of them definately have five star ratings in my book!
-bethany

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        man!!!  is mark ever pissed!  that's the most coherent statement
i've ever seen him compose :)

love ya man! ;)
doolittle

mark anthony donajkowski wrote:
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hey again all,

i asked this before but maybe not very clearly...i *know* some of you out there
have been to newport before (i have photographic proof!) so could one of you
pleeeease let me know how long the girls' set generally is at this festival?
i'm *begging* here.  and if anyone has a clue about va slam and whether or not
it will be general admission when it finally gets announced and goes on sale i
swear i'll kiss the ground you walk on to know (as long as it's not market
street in sf!!!  bacteriazonebacteriazone!!!  sorry...flashback).  so pretty
please:  newport length and va slam length and seating policy too if anyone has
that.  thanks bunches...


marivel

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amy: "i write the songs of love and special things!"

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okay.

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and did they think that maybe just maybe men might learn something from
these wymen fests

on wed, 18 mar 1998, bonnemot wrote:

>
>
> hey y'all fellow listers
>
> i wanna talk like mark i think it's a load of crap too i'm a woman but still i
> think it's wrong to exclude cuz there's way too much of that going on i think
> what's happening is the girls are getting more comfy with their les image and
> not trying so hard to be all inclusive and trying to get all empowered blah
> blah blah and all well that is fine but music is the universal language for
> gods sake and i don't like the idea of it being not available to someone just
> because of their gender period.  how was that?
>
> bonnie
>

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well i really wanted to see the murmurs and no one booted it like i asked
sigh

on wed, 18 mar 1998, doolittle wrote:

>         man!!!  is mark ever pissed!  that's the most coherent statement
> i've ever seen him compose :)
>
> love ya man! ;)
> doolittle
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> mark anthony donajkowski wrote:
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> >murmurs and to me its against what the girls stand for tolerance and
> >togethernesss
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well the answer is obvious!

if it means that much to you, shave off your body hair and go in drag!
who is going to know? (except everyone here)..!

tehehe,
lynda

>>> mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
19/march/1998 06:14pm >>>
well i really wanted to see the murmurs and no one booted it like i asked
sigh

on wed, 18 mar 1998, doolittle wrote:

>         man!!!  is mark ever pissed!  that's the most coherent statement
> i've ever seen him compose :)
>
> love ya man! ;)
> doolittle
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> mark anthony donajkowski wrote:
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> >murmurs and to me its against what the girls stand for tolerance and
> >togethernesss
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in a message dated 98-03-18 19:54:16 est, you write:

<<  danielle howle~~live at mckissick museum

when is this??  or is it something that was in the past?  >>
this is a recording from january 19th, 1995
it has:
red candles
big puffy girl handwriting
frog song
back of your mind
i held the satchel
wrestling song
all
spider writer
why you worry
plus she talks between songs and stuff :)
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in a message dated 98-03-19 01:30:22 est, l1rw@telecom.co.nz wrote:

<< well the answer is obvious!

if it means that much to you, shave off your body hair and go in drag!
who is going to know? (except everyone here)..! >>

actually, i believe the festival it limited to those born biologically female
at birth, eliminating even transgendered males...  makes me kinda curious as
to the type of security in efffect....

tim

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thanks alot everyone for your help but i can't be on this mailing list
anymore its too much mail for what little time i have . thank all of you for
your advice and indigo girl knowledge. if any of you would like re-mail me at
catwomen75@aol.com.     love erin

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hi list -

i just wanted to take a minute out to try and explain *why* there is the policy
of no men at the mwmf.  the logic behind it is - women need space.  safe space
where they can go to be with other women and relax.  women can run around naked
at the fest, they can practice s&m if they so please (although this has only
been allowed recently at this particular fest) ... they can have a place where
they are not second....

i'm not sure exactly how i feel about this fest - but not for those reasons.  i
can completely see why women would love to have this space that they can call
their own for a week.  i think it's beautiful.  i can also see why ig would
choose *not* to attend.  their philosophy has not been one which excludes men.
fine with me.  but i do think it's interesting that the minute men find out
that women might have a place where men arent allowed *oh no!* - that men would
get uncomfortable, and even angry about that.

i am confused about whether i was supposed to post this to the entire list or
not, so i am sorry for those who are sick of this thread, but it's not like i
post all the time, so i dont really feel that bad ;)

take care-
amy c.

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write to greg please...yer mailbox is full and he wants to know where to
deliver the bonus ;)

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the point that we originally started talkin about was not whether the
mwmf had the right to apply a no male policy to their fest..its their
land, their festival, their everything...they can do what they want ..
the point was  some fans feeling discomfort at ig supporting a fest with
this policy..and again..its their choice, not ours...we don't have to
support everything they support, we don't have to agree with everything
they agree with..they are not our goddes........wait..ain't goin back
there!!!!!
it was just a discussion, takin to private e-mail about how we felt
about their support of a no male  festival..thats all
last time you'll hear from me on this
pooh

go greg go

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i'm not really sure how to respond to this but just to say that i think
that this is a backward step for the girls.  not being exclusionary has
always been a big part of their message and by now arbitrarily cutting a
huge
section of the population off they are sending a dangerous message.
however, it is only a few shows and not a new policy; hopefully.  this is
definitely a public subject but i will take it wherever the maj want to
go.  i am used to suffering for ig so this will be nothing different.
neil...
wed, 18 mar 1998, pooh wrote:
> i've received a few responses..some say lets open it to the list..some
> say let just chat..so what do ya all wanna do? keep it private or open it
> up?majority rules
> and how do you male fans feel about the fact that there is now a
> precedent for ig shows that you can and can not attend simply because
> you're a man..
> thoughts anyone?
> pooh ( who should be filling out bowel charts for the state inspection( i
> love my job) but decided to post here instead)

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on thu, 19 mar 1998, neil johnson wrote:

> ...by now arbitrarily cutting a huge
> section of the population off they are sending a dangerous message.

i don't know...i think a few people are taking this mwmf thing a bit too
personally. speaking as someone who has been to michigan in the past, it
is a pretty powerful event, and it's only one week out of the entire year.
one week where women can feel safe, comfortable with who they are and who
they may love and how they show it.  ig definitely speak this.

> however, it is only a few shows and not a new policy; hopefully.

exactly.  i think the fact that ig have declined playing michigan in the
past says something about all of this.  they know that their audience
isn't all women.  but this is one show, one event, at which they can
show their support for women who want to be in this kind of environment.

also, sots is one of the first albums where they openly write and sing
about "being gay."  for those of you who aren't aware, the majority of
women at michigan are lesbian or bi, and maybe ig felt it was a good
atmosphere in which to perform some of their newest material.

i don't know...i don't think they are trying to send any kind of message
to anyone...they're just supporting the strength of a community of women.
i'm pretty bummed i can't go this year...

flame away

sarah

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reply-to:     dan perkins <dan@tcdrs.org>
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wow, i don't read my e-mail for one day and come back to find a whole
new controversy.

well, here's my two cents on this subject. actually two separate
stories.

about 16 years ago, when i was living in st. paul, mn, i went to an era
rally (anyone remember the era?). i was there because i believed in the
ideas that were pushing the era and i wanted to support it. the key
speaker, i forget her name, started her speech by saying stuff like "i
see a lot of men here. i don't know what you are doing here. this rally
isn't for you. we want to ask all the men to move to the right side."
she kept going on like that for about 5 minutes, then launched in to her
speech. i felt really angry and humiliated. i had come to support a
political/social cause that i believed deeply in, only to be told i
wasn't welcome. one of the problems with this sort of exclusionary
stance, especially in the political realm, is that it turns away support
for your cause. whether this woman liked it or not men make up a large
portion of the population of the united states and 16 years ago made up
an even larger portion of the power base. to alienate men in such a way,
i believe, was detrimental to the furthering of the issues of the era. i
also found it somewhat curious. part of the era movement was about women
feeling marginalized in american society, being left out. and here this
woman was trying to marginalize and leave out a different group of
people. is the way to equalization really excluding the "opposition"?

next story, 12 years later.

i used to date/live with a women who sang and played guitar in a
"women's music" trio (the therapy sisters, from austin, tx). i loved
their music and would go see them as often as i could. they played
several women's music festivals here in texas and arkansas (or was it
oklahoma?). i often felt left out that i couldn't go and i felt a bit
resentful. but, i tried to see it from the perspective of those
attending and presenting the festivals. gail would tell me about the
festivals. out in the country, women sun bathing, walking hand in hand,
talking about music, playing guitar, sleeping under the stars on
blankets and generally feeling open and free. i understood then, the
reason for excluding men. let's face it guys, men are often very....
assertive in their presence in a group or gathering. many men, not all
but many, will leer and stare at women who are dressed scantily or
topless or whatever in an obviously sexually intimidating manner. often,
especially in groups, men are loud and aggressive. men have enough
places that are "theirs". places where women likely feel uncomfortable
or in the minority (sporting events, sports bars, most hard rock
concerts, a lot of country clubs..). so, if women in michigan feel the
need to have a place to feel safe and united for a weekend i say great!
i get enough things given to me in this society based upon the fact that
i am male. if i miss one or two concerts, so what?! my god, i am a white
male in the united states. if i only have to feel excluded and
discriminated against at a couple of concerts a year, i am waayyyy ahead
of a lot of people who belong to "minorities".

as for ig playing the mwmf, cool! great! they are, after all, musicians.
playing for gatherings of people is how ig display their art and make
their living. i know ig appreciate all of us men folk who are fans. the
fact that they play the mwmf doesn't mean they feel any less
appreciative of us. any more than when they play colleges and
universities and the tickets are only available to students.

wow, i really can ramble on when i get going... okay, this is dan
stepping down from his soap box. we now return you to your regularly
scheduled listserve.

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

"emancipate yourself from mental slavery, none but ourselves can free
our minds."
                        -bob marley

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 10:26:51 est
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three's company

bob dylan, joni mitchell, and van morrison will perform at the
following venues:


5/14 - vancouver, bc    general motors          on sale 3/21
5/16 - george, wa       the gorge               on sale 4/4
5/17 - george, wa       the gorge               on sale 4/4
5/19 - san jose, ca     san jose arena          on sale 3/22
5/21 - los angeles, ca  ucla pauley pavilion    on sale 3/23
5/22 - los angeles, ca  ucla pauley pavilion    on sale 3/23
5/23 - anaheim, ca      pond of anaheim arena   on sale 3/23

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http://www.bobdylan.com
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well, ya never know *who* could be in the audience for this one ;)

jude :)

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 10:51:46 est
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here's my take:

correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't the indigo girls play at hte shows where
only members of certain tribes could go?  that's not fair!!  i'm not native
american!  and aren't some of the shows at colleges open to students only?
that's not fair!!  i've already graduated!  and didn't they just play in
australia?  not fair - i don't live there!

we can't all go to all of the shows.  the good news is that since the indigo
girls play at many different events, for causes and non causes, in big cities
and small towns, all over the world, hundreds of days a year, eventually there
will be a show just for you!  don't forget: we are fortunate ones!

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 11:06:25 -0500
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for those who are wondering who will be opening for ig for their
upcoming us spring/summer tour...

i found out who's opening for 3 of their shows from the amazing
performer's own web page:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
michelle malone tour dates -- late april 1998

fri 24 apr   hanover, nh (with indigo girls) [dartmouth]
sat 25 apr   new haven, ct (with indigo girls) [yale]
sun 26 apr   carlisle, pa (with indigo girls) [dickinson]

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 11:58:16 est
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hello to all in the land of indigo!

if anyone has info on the dartmouth and/or yale shows (when tix go on sale,
etc.)
could you please e-mail me.  i would like to get to one of the few new england
shows before having to wait until nff to see the girls.  thanks a lot for the
help!

take care and peace!

-deb o

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 11:20:35 -0600
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hi all...just got back from a little trip to florida and just heard of a
few more dates. i haven't put them up on my website just yet
<http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html> but will as soon as i find
a spare moment.

i'm not certain why two chattanooga dates are coming up. perhaps the actual
date hasn't been finalized. anyway, here they are:

15 april / chattanooga, tn / chattanooga memorial auditorium
16 april / chattanooga, tn / chattanooga memorial auditorium
29 april / chapel hill, nc / university of nc memorial hall

deb

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 09:33:04 -0800
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hi:
i'm using a song by ig as an epigraph to a story i'm writing.  is there
any sort of precedent/proper method for saying who wrote it? (i.e., does
credit go to the indigo girls or to *in this case* amy ray?)

thank you beaucoup, and private email is peachy keen,
--ariel
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sometimes you don't have to try at all
sometimes you can hear the wind blow in a handshake
sometimes there's poetry written right
on the bathroom wall."
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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 12:38:58 -0500
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for those of you that might not be able to make it to eddie's attic, diane
ward will be playing in tampa at the cherokee club on sunday the 22nd.
debbie hunseder, stephanie callahan ( both formerly of halcyon), and magda
hilder will be there also as a sunday music series:  a womyn's fair.

and coming up at the cherokee club....more halycon!

april 19 - orginal halcyon
may 25   - orginal halcyon


st-st-st-st-st-steph

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greetings to my fellow indigo girls fans!

my partner and i have been going through our stuff and consolidating and
we came across an extra ig list shirt (the one with song quotes on the back)
that we can handle parting with.  my gf wore it a few times, so it is used,
but
we would like to trade it for maybe 2 boots.  if anyone is interested, let me
know.
the first person to reply and wants to trade for it gets it.  thanks a lot.

take care and peace!

-deb

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wow wow wow wow wow...was that well said dan!!!! :)

"the flesh is strong, the spirit stronger, so shed your skin baby...let
it through..." *amy ray


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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 13:17:48 -0600
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for those of you who remember, last june the indigo girls did a ppv
special, and at the end of the special they previewed exerpts from a
documentary called alma. alma premiered at the sxsw film festival in
austin this week, and it will be playing again tonight at 7:00 pm at the

dobie. it will also play on the 19th at the alamo draft house. so, if
you
live in austin, you go by and check it out.

also of possible interest to people on the list, on march 22nd, sarah
jacobsons' film, "mary jane's not a virgin anymore". will be playing at
the dobie.

sorry if you don't live in austin, but i'm sure both films will be
making the
underground circuit. so, keep an eye on your local art house listings.

trant

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date:         fri, 20 mar 1998 06:41:18 +1000
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> > ...by now arbitrarily cutting a huge
> > section of the population off they are sending a dangerous message.

good grief!!! all this fuss about one little women's festival!!! isn't it
amazing how upset boys can get when there is even a hint of a group of
women doing something without them!

i'm agree with  sarah!
> but this is one show, one event, at which they can
> show their support for women who want to be in this kind of environment.

is this really that big a deal??

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 08:12:56 -0600
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greetings, kind friends...and an addendum (addenda? maybe i should use
smaller words) to joan's message-

if you buy your tickets in the first 103 hours that they are on sale (you
do the math, but i'm figuring somewhere through the day on wednesday is the
cutoff) you can get a three day pass for $25. a genuine bargain, and
they'll be general seating, i think, in which case we can lovingly and
peacefully jockey for prime seating. i'm all for a get-together!!!! other
performers include widespread panic and steve earle..they are adding groups
daily and i think will be booking 55 for the whole event by the time it's
done.

peace & indigo,
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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 16:10:09 -0500
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> good grief!!! all this fuss about one little women's festival!!! isn't it
> amazing how upset boys can get when there is even a hint of a group of
> women doing something without them!

   we're just defensive because modern science has rendered man obsolete
and we're crossing our fingers hoping that you womyn don't figure it out
and do something silly, like demand power or equality or something stupid
like that.  ;)

> > but this is one show, one event, at which they can
> > show their support for women who want to be in this kind of environment.
> is this really that big a deal??

   the igs have said that they prefer to play for all comers, not
excluding anybody.  their music is certainly geared that way---a far cry
from the lesbian punk rockers of the 70s---without that accessibility,
they probably wouldn't have done much better.
   that being said, i think they have the right to support whatever causes
they want, and play whatever venues they want.  granted, i'd be
disappointed if an ig show came near me and i couldn't go, but that's
life.  sheesh!

   darius

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well, i usually dont have time to post much to this list even though i
always have strong opinions to express but this topic i can't ignore.  at
first i dodnt care, but then i thought about how i would feel if this
festival were here in knoxville, and then i realized how disappointed i
would be that i couldnt attend for no good reason.
i too think this no men allowed festival is a load of crap. at least, i
see no point in it. people are saying, "but so what its only one
concert", well yeah its one concert but to some of us that is a big deal.
i've paid a lot of money and traveled a lot to see one concert in the
past. if this was where i lived, i would really be pissed off because it
would upset me to think that the girls were playing in my town and i
couldnt go. actually i think i would try pretty hard to go anyway (i mean
do they have a gentials check at the door or something? i dont know)
so i'm disappointed that the girls are saying to me, "hey you arent
allowed to listen to our music because you are a boy". after i've
supported them all these years?
and whats the point of the whole thing anyway? i've heard lots of people
talking about how women can for one night feel "safe". what the hell is
that supposed to mean? somebody let me in please if you have an answer.
do all you women always feel "unsafe" at indigo girls concert where men
are? are men monsters that you have to run away from. if you think this,
its very sad and you are unfortunately messed up in the head. a person is
a person and every person is very different from every other person and
it doesn't have anything to do with gender.
as for the argument that mean are louder and disruptive, thats also
preposterous. at all of the indigo concerts i've been to, the high school
age girls have been the ones making the most noise with their high
pitched squealing and goofing off. many of them have been really
annoying. and just listen to any of your boots where their is too much
audience noise and listen to that one voice which is annoying you.
probably a girl's.  yes, men are collectively annoying, but not anymore
than women are.
as for being able to wear something skimpy without a man staring, first
of all, so what? i dont understand why anyone would think that others
dont have the right to look at someone else. secondly, it has been stated
that the population at this festival is mostly lesbian or bi. i think
there will be plenty of staring without help from any men (even if its
only some of you staring at amy's new tattoo.)
thanks for listening to me ramble on about this. email me privately if
you want to discuss further. i just want to say that this discrimination
is wrong because we all need to realize that everybody is unique. i do
not want to be categorized with all other men because frankly i don't
like a lot of males that i know and i do not claim them as my own. there
is no common connection between all men or women that is significant
enough to justify any discrimination of this kind.

davidsrogers  dsrogers@utk.edu

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 09:50:13 -0500
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hey folks,

i'm e-mailing from work, so if you want to reply, *please* reply to home
addy, which is 103161.3515@compuserve.com...  thanks!

here's the current lineup for nashville river stages:

agents of good roots
bobby bare, jr.
matraca berg
paul burch
alissa carrol
chumbawamba
paula cole
alana davis
ronnie earl and the broadcasters
steve earle
the evinrudes
the fairfield four
fastball
ben folds five
foo fighters
jimmy dale gilmore
the honeyrods
indigo girls (!)
joe 90
jolene
keb mo'
link wray
the lost continentals
ziggy marley and the melody makers
delbert mcclinton
the del mccoury band (bluegrass...yeah!)
medeski, martin and wood
buddy and julie miller
owsley
danilo perez
bonnie raitt
six-string drag
garrison starr
string cheese incident
emmet swimming
2 skinee j's
widespread panic

3 day passes will be $30 and go on sale this saturday at 10 a.m. cst;  the
single day tix are $17.50 and go on sale wed. march 25th.  individual tix
sold the day of show will be $20.

hope this helps!  i assume some acts may be added closer to festival time.

peace,

joan :-d

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 11:24:49 -0800
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hi folks,

though i have been subscribed to this list for a few months now, and put out
one bootleg plea; i have been a little shy about jumping into things fully.
(my insecurities! not anything you all do.) so before i make my comment, i
feel maybe it is appropriate to say:  "hi! i am really enjoying becoming a
member of this community. seems like there are alot of really neat folks
here!" (actually, i know there are some fantastic people here, 'cause though
i haven't jumped into most of the activity on the list, i have contacted
some people privately, and have found some very friendly and generous folks
here! thanks so much!!!)

now to my point! (whew, at last!)

i have been reading the comments about the mwmf with fascination, and have
found myself being challenged to really think this through as some people
have made some very compelling arguments on both sides of the issue. in
reality i believe both "sides" make very valid points, imho! but reading dan
and sarah's posts have done the most to help me formulate my current
thinking on this.

at first, i found myself leaning toward the opinion that the exclusion of
men is unfair and un-ig-like. but reading the points made by dan and sarah
have caused me to reassess based also on my consideration of things that
have recently been occuring in my life. (uh-oh, next comes an  personal
overview). i have been married for almost 15 years to a basically wonderful
man, who has helped me build a wonderful family that includes three
beautiful children! though these years together have had their ups and
downs, it had been a basically stable life, and the gift of my kids has made
everything worthwhile. but, i have spent many years feeling unsettled and
uncomfortable about the spousal relationship - something just never felt
quite right.  i have slowly been  coming to realize that i may have
misinterpretted my sexual orientation. the fact that my husband has recently
betrayed me and our marriage has allowed me a new freedom to explore this
question.

back to the main point!: an environment as described by dan and sarah would
be a very beneficial experience for me - not only as a place to try to
answer my questions, but also as a place where i might be able to heal some
very deep wounds! before i knew about this festival (which i am only just
learning about), i identified a personal need to find a womyn's community to
aid in my healing and spiritual growth. despite everything that has happened
to me recently, i am not a man-hater and i am not about excluding an entire
population generally. but as a seeker, i can say that i really understand
what the exclusion of males might be about! thanks for helping me to broaden
my perspective dan and sarah!

and now i will turn the soapbox over to the next person! i really am
grateful that this community (the list) exists, and look forward to trying
to join in.

peace,  laura

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i saw a contest and one of the prizes was a signed guitar from the
girls. i was wondering if anybody knows where this is i forgot where i
saw it\and didt save it.
help!!!!!!
niqui

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 16:28:18 -0500
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alright this is pissing me off.  it's not just an indigo girls concert
we're talking about, it's a whole week long womyn's festival.  it's been
going on for over 20 years now.  up until now, no one has seemed to get
pissed that it's been only womyn.
just because the girls are playing there doesn't mean the the festival
should change.  womyn have been getting together on the same land for
years in michigan.  it is a womyn's safe space, not just and indigo girls
concert.  so just let it go, this festival bashing is driving me up a
wall!!!!!!

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 15:36:09 -0600
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the thing i find really funny about this whole topic (no men aloud at mich
fest) is that i recall many a conversation (not on this list specifically,
but i would like to know if this has been discussed here in the past) about
the fact that ig (and melissa etheridge, etc) didn't play at mich and how
they were some how betraying the lesbian community.  and now ig is playing
this one women only show and people are upset by that.  proving yet once
again that you can't please all the people all of the time!

casey

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kristen hersh-strange angels
ani difranco- women of (e)motion
patty griffen- living with ghosts
autore de circle - immobile
cappricio(richard strauss)- kiri tekanewa,solti conducting

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 16:43:41 -0500
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i thougt all this hashing and rehashing about the womyns festival was
supposed to go to private email?  can we please take it there and
concentrate on the girls again?

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 14:43:10 -0700
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kate is right.  we need to stop thinking of this as just another indigo
girls concert.  it isn't a concert, the ig are one event in a weeklong
retreat full of events.

furthermore, i am very interested in the anger this is generating.  i
don't remember any of this kind of anger when the ig were playing a
private concert on the seminole reservation (thanks for the example
chiqhiker).  indeed, some people were admonished for implying they might
try to crash the party.  and the same with the high school shows.  i don't
remember anything but positive comments about the ig's commitment to
young people.  so why can't we allow amy and emily the wonderful
experience of this festival?  women see it as a very therapeutic and
cathartic celebration, why the anger?  is it so hard to believe that our
society is a very repressive one and that women might benefit from an
all-woman environment, even if it is just for a week?

-garian

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hi everyone....
i'm back.....just thought i'd let you all know.
(if anyone cares)
:)
jami

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 16:54:09 -0500
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who cares?

i'm glad the girls have a place that's just theirs where they can feel
safe, free and share experiences with others.  i think any male who is
offended by that idea just isn't very secure in himself.

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  what a *!#$@ festival. how can women even hope to gain equality if they
exclude men. beleive it or not, we still live in a male dominated world.
you can bitch to me and call me a chauvinist but it's simply the truth.
  how you gain acceptence and equality is by exposure and education. if
you seperate yourself from any major segment of the population you are
promoting ignorence.
  if it a festival to celebrate women and only have them perform that is
completely acceptable. we should be able to celebrate who we are in an
open enviroment. but if you want to eliminate that "man hating dyke"
stereotype you don't enforce it! if you want to gain acceptence and
equality from a whole gender you don't exclude them.
it's just self defeating.
ben

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 14:59:34 -0700
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sorry to chime in again. but didn't women used to complain about all male
country clubs and organizations. now you founded one........it's a little
thing called hypocricy.ben

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now ill pull a rabbit outta my hat

think bnack wasnt there a military acadamy that was only men and had been
for oever 20 years and dindt woemen get mad same thing as i said  im all
for you having yoru space having yoru festavle but music is differnt music
is for all


on thu, 19 mar 1998, indigo wrote:

>  alright this is pissing me off.  it's not just an indigo girls concert
> we're talking about, it's a whole week long womyn's festival.  it's been
> going on for over 20 years now.  up until now, no one has seemed to get
> pissed that it's been only womyn.
>  just because the girls are playing there doesn't mean the the festival
> should change.  womyn have been getting together on the same land for
> years in michigan.  it is a womyn's safe space, not just and indigo girls
> concert.  so just let it go, this festival bashing is driving me up a
> wall!!!!!!
>
> kate
> hull2106@fredonia.edu
>
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those are totaly differnt things
the colegge men adn women were able to go you had to go to that college
thats totlaly differnt
same thing with the reservation men and women were allowed to go
it was for that area and that area only there in lies the differnce
are you gonna tell me that only women in michigan can go to this

on thu, 19 mar 1998, garian arleta vigil wrote:

> kate is right.  we need to stop thinking of this as just another indigo
> girls concert.  it isn't a concert, the ig are one event in a weeklong
> retreat full of events.
>
> furthermore, i am very interested in the anger this is generating.  i
> don't remember any of this kind of anger when the ig were playing a
> private concert on the seminole reservation (thanks for the example
> chiqhiker).  indeed, some people were admonished for implying they might
> try to crash the party.  and the same with the high school shows.  i don't
> remember anything but positive comments about the ig's commitment to
> young people.  so why can't we allow amy and emily the wonderful
> experience of this festival?  women see it as a very therapeutic and
> cathartic celebration, why the anger?  is it so hard to believe that our
> society is a very repressive one and that women might benefit from an
> all-woman environment, even if it is just for a week?
>
> -garian
>
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who said "i will not be complacent"?  for every incident of racism, =
sexism, discrimination, internment, imprisonment, genocide, etc. (place =
your injustice here) in history, there was a time when someone made a =
statement like this,  "all this fuss about one little....." =20
for all ig strive to stand up for, i find it very disillusioning that =
this is happening, however small or insignificant it may be. i live in =
san francisco, and recently a gay bar owner through out a straight =
couple for kissing in the bar. i would just assume that a group of =
people who have been subject to such injustice and discrimination would =
see the inherent and blatant contradiction and irony in their actions. =
perhaps it just human nature......how sad.

derek=20

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> > ...by now arbitrarily cutting a huge
> > section of the population off they are sending a dangerous message.

good grief!!! all this fuss about one little women's festival!!! isn't =
it
amazing how upset boys can get when there is even a hint of a group of
women doing something without them!

i'm agree with  sarah!
> but this is one show, one event, at which they can
> show their support for women who want to be in this kind of =
environment.

is this really that big a deal??

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hello, all!
      i posted this once earlier... michelle malone is selling her martin
guitar.  it's a 1995 signature series.  also, she has "relentless" on vinyl
sealed.  send any questions/offers here.  thanks, sarah

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hello, again! =)
      well, i did my duty for all of the poor non-atlantans out there... the
99x locals only cd came out today in limited quantities and i snagged some for
you. =)  no ig, but the first track is our very own michelle malone.  other
artists include lift, sevendust, vigilantes of love, etc.  price is $10, which
includes shipping.  truth be told, i only really paid $6 plus tax and
envelopes and shipping, etc, so i might be making a few cents worth of a
profit... it's 20 tracks and a great way to hear some of our locals if'n you
don't know em' all by now! =)  just e-mail me if you're interested! =)
thanks! sarah

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can't this michigan festival thing go to private e-mail please???!!! i'm
receiving an average of 100000000 messages a minute on it. thanks!

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at 02:59 pm 3/19/98 pst, you wrote:
>can't this michigan festival thing go to private e-mail please???!!! i'm
>receiving an average of 100000000 messages a minute on it. thanks!

why? it seems to me that the topic is the most ig-content this list has
seen in weeks.

deb

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deb reiser wrote:
>
> at 02:59 pm 3/19/98 pst, you wrote:
> >can't this michigan festival thing go to private e-mail please???!!! i'm
> >receiving an average of 100000000 messages a minute on it. thanks!
>
> why? it seems to me that the topic is the most ig-content this list has
> seen in weeks.
>
> deb

well, i'm sure i'll be flamed for this, but perhaps the folks who are
upset about the women-only rule at michigan should complain to the
organizers.

there is an organized group of protestors, btw.  i'm spacing the name --
but i thought that the author of stone butch blues had an organized
protest outside the gates.  protesting the policy is not new.  actually,
the folks who have protested it the most are men who have gone through
surgery to change gender legally and are now women -- they've protested
the women-born-women aspect of the rule.

ellen, who has never gone to michigan because she hates camping in
humidity. :)

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this thread is getting out of control fast.  very
interesting to see the anger from men, i was not
expecting that from this crowd.  i don't agree with
segregation as a social reform tactic, but i do agree
with it used as an escape -- sort of a vacation from
everyday culture.  even we activists need
time away from our work, time to lock ourselves in
our bedrooms where we feel safe and reflect on
the best way to go about saving the planet without
losing our own identities.  have you never felt the
need to have a "guys" or "girls" night out
on the town in order to have a break from the other
gender?  it doesn't mean you want the other gender
out of your life permenantly.   we all need healthy
doses of both variety and familiarity.

anyhow, we've got more that $100 on its way
to nana and ncdm.  keep it coming!  for you
new folks out there, i've gathered the fundraising
info for amy's birthday on the following web site:
http://members.tripod.com/~indigoempire/projamy.html

elizabeth from denver

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0nly if you go with me lynda babe<g>

on thu, 19 mar 1998, lynda raina wrote:

> well the answer is obvious!
>
> if it means that much to you, shave off your body hair and go in drag!
> who is going to know? (except everyone here)..!
>
> tehehe,
> lynda
>
> >>> mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
> 19/march/1998 06:14pm >>>
> well i really wanted to see the murmurs and no one booted it like i asked
> sigh
>
> on wed, 18 mar 1998, doolittle wrote:
>
> >         man!!!  is mark ever pissed!  that's the most coherent statement
> > i've ever seen him compose :)
> >
> > love ya man! ;)
> > doolittle
> >
> > mark anthony donajkowski wrote:
> > >i think its a load of crap myself i wanted to go to last years wth the
> > >murmurs and to me its against what the girls stand for tolerance and
> > >togethernesss
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im not angry that women have their own place hell they deserve it however
and think long and hard on this do you know of any concerts that are just
men allowed  i cant think of a one women wanna run around naked during a
festival hey no problem they wanna bond with other women no problem they
wanna have a club just for women not a prob  however music is for everyone
dont let me in to the festivities thats fine however let me into the
concert


on thu, 19 mar 1998, amy lynn carpenter wrote:

> hi list -
>
> i just wanted to take a minute out to try and explain *why* there is the policy
> of no men at the mwmf.  the logic behind it is - women need space.  safe space
> where they can go to be with other women and relax.  women can run around naked
> at the fest, they can practice s&m if they so please (although this has only
> been allowed recently at this particular fest) ... they can have a place where
> they are not second....
>
> i'm not sure exactly how i feel about this fest - but not for those reasons.  i
> can completely see why women would love to have this space that they can call
> their own for a week.  i think it's beautiful.  i can also see why ig would
> choose *not* to attend.  their philosophy has not been one which excludes men.
> fine with me.  but i do think it's interesting that the minute men find out
> that women might have a place where men arent allowed *oh no!* - that men would
> get uncomfortable, and even angry about that.
>
> i am confused about whether i was supposed to post this to the entire list or
> not, so i am sorry for those who are sick of this thread, but it's not like i
> post all the time, so i dont really feel that bad ;)
>
> take care-
> amy c.
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this festival has come up every summer i've been on this list (3) and
every year people whine about a "safe" place and about not have access to
it.  if you feel the need to frolic about in the woods in various states
then do it whenever and wherever you want.  if these states upset you,
then don't go.  i've seen every type of behavior at ig concerts and
nothing will suprise me.  if you need a special place you are insecure.
if you need to be everywhere and involved in everything without any
obstacles then you are also insecure.  the world puts up barriers.
getting past them is what brings happiness in life.  the girls have
certainly done that and help each of us to the same.  this is definitely
the most ig content this list has seen in awhile.  it has also been the
most civilized discussion i think this list has ever had.  what a pleasant
change.  who wants to thump the tub next?
neil...

on thu, 19 mar 1998, deb reiser wrote:

> at 02:59 pm 3/19/98 pst, you wrote:
> >can't this michigan festival thing go to private e-mail please???!!! i'm
> >receiving an average of 100000000 messages a minute on it. thanks!
>
> why? it seems to me that the topic is the most ig-content this list has
> seen in weeks.
>

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in a message dated 98-03-18 19:38:34 est, you write:

<< date:    wed, 18 mar 1998 14:54:17 -0800
from:    pooh <pooh40@mc.net>
subject: this mwmf no male policy thing

i've received a few responses..some say lets open it to the list..some
say let just chat..so what do ya all wanna do? keep it private or open it
up?majority rules
and how do you male fans feel about the fact that there is now a
precedent for ig shows that you can and can not attend simply because
you're a man..
thoughts anyone?
pooh ( who should be filling out bowel charts for the state inspection( i
love my job) but decided to post here instead) >>

what's this all about?
~alyssa

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in a message dated 98-03-19 01:10:19 est, you write:

<< (who's so worried that now everyone's gonna think she's some heartless
male-bashing beeyotch...i'm not, i swear!!) >>

well, i don't think you are! well put.

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does anyone have any info. on the girls coming to hanover nh on april 24.
ticket info.? who is it open to? how much are the tckets? who do i contact for
tickets? please let me know! email me privately please.
~alyssa

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my 2-cents' worth:

my sister's attended the womyn's festival for years and from her
descriptions, it's a transcedental event that i personally _wouldn't_
want to disturb -- i have great respect for people who desire their
privacy, and who are _we_ to tell the ig what they can or cannot do?

now that that's said -- can someone boot it for us men?!? i have a
feeling an ig performance at that event will be unimaginable!

- paul

p.s. i don't mean this as a flame, but i think this discussion is a lot
more igc than the "what's in your cd player" thread that's been running
the past few days... my vote, keep it coming if people have something new
and constructive to say.


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in a message dated 98-03-19 12:52:23 est, you write:

<< re: this mwmf no male policy thing >>
what exactly is this fesival and where is it held???
~alyssa

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in a message dated 98-03-19 12:52:23 est, you write:

<< women can run around naked
at the fest, they can practice s&m if they so please (although this has only
been allowed recently at this particular fest) ...  >>
'scuse me if i am just totally stupid, but what is s&m??? please emil me
privately with answers as i happen to just, er, skim the digest since i have
so little time. thanks.
~alyssa

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date:         thu, 19 mar 1998 19:54:48 -0500
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lets say there was a concert be it ig or otherwise of a band you wanted to
see and you found out cause you were a lady you couldnt go would you be
upset?


and no i dont wanna hear how the festivale this or the festivale that i
told you i dont care about that go ahead have it thats fine that yoru
place i care abotu the music part so if there was a concert and you coudnt
go casuee you were a lady ie a male only concert would you be pissed off
and answer honestly

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at 04:39 pm 3/19/98 -0700, elizabeth wrote:
>this thread is getting out of control fast.  very
>interesting to see the anger from men, i was not
>expecting that from this crowd.

well i might as well chip in here and shake things up a bit more :)
actually i'm surprised it took this long for this topic to be debated. i
thought more was going to be said when word of the michigan show first came
to light.

for those who really care, here's where i stand on this topic:
i for one am not a guy, i'm by no means straight, i got my degree from an
all chick school, i've experienced the mwmf first hand and
dun-dun-dun....i'm greatly disappointed that ig are playing the fest.

other posts have put mwmf on the same level as college shows that give its
students first shot at tickets and the couple of hte shows that were done
on native lands. tangelos and lingonberries boys and girls!!

the mwmf isn't about escaping nor is about a special night out for a good
cause. the premise is _separatism_. it's not only limited to female born
members of society, but once in the grounds you are separated into
alcohol-free zones, scent-free zones, etc (are there meat-free zones too? i
can't recall) should you and your female partner have a male child of a
certain age, you are relegated to even yet another area of the land and
that child is not allowed to venture from that area. all this is done to
make things "safe" for those in attendance who for whatever reason need a
special place to be.

sure there are plenty of women who merely show up for the good time, work
shops, and good music. a great selection of goods can be found at the fest
and the good lord knows that one will see things at michigan that will not
be seen anywhere else in life! (if it gets reported that amy strolled the
grounds in nothing but a pair of leather chaps i for one will lament the
day i wrote these words). but those who just show up for the good time
should be aware of what they are supporting and perpetuating.

the bottom line is that the mwmf was founded on and is still rooted in
separatist principles. i simply don't like that the two musicians i admire
most for their outlook on life and the fairness they expouse, are appearing
at a festival that has a basis in a believe that i find not to be freeing
or otherwise transcedental, but offensive.

i for one would applaud ig's appearance at the fest only if they show up
with jerry in his skirt and make a statement heard throught "the land". :)

deb

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hi gang!

as a (hopefully) enlightened male who is extremely supportive of women in
general, and women musicians in particular, i find the exclusionary aspect of
the womyn's festival regrettable, but i can live with it....  i admire the
girls for their previous stance regarding the fest, but i refuse to knock them
for playing what is essentially a "private" party....

as for the need for a safe haven, i wish it were not that way, but sadly, for
many, it is a necessity...  i know too many victims to think otherwise....

i'd like to thank the other list members who have contributed enlightened and
impassioned comments on the subject.  contrary to some opinions, i think that
these threads help bring life to the list, particularly during slow times
between tours and new releases...

for those who disagree it's very easy to highlight all messages pertaining to
a specific subject and either ignore or delete them en masse....

peace and harmony....
tim

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       i know this thread is getting out of control, but i had to add my two
cents.  note: i am not a man, so i am not upset at being excluded, nor am i
upset just cos it's an ig concert.
       personally, i just find it horrendous when folks cry out equal rights-
(i/e: let us attend this all man academy..) and then decide to exclude one
single group of folks..  i personally think hs concerts are different, cos
they're allowing the folks that attend those schools to go, and not excluding
anyone based on their gender or race or religion..   i personally don't view
this concert any different then having a one race or one religion only
concert.    perhaps my view is extreme, but i think it's horrendous, and as a
woman i would never attend such an event- i find it insulting.

grace..

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in a message dated 98-03-19 18:46:18 est, hull2106@fredonia.edu writes:

<< womyn have been getting together on the same land for
years in michigan.  it is a womyn's safe space, not just and indigo girls
concert. >>

i think what we're going to find here, group, is that there is an element of
hard core lesbians, feminists or whatever you want to call them that just
really are not into men at all.  they feel so put upon and so overburdened and
unsafe that they have to sequester themselves and enjoy their own company at
these festivals.  i just can't help but think it's sad that they feel the need
to do this at all.  in the words of rodney king, why can't we all just get
along?  people are people are people.  no group should feel threatened by
another.  frankly, from what i've heard about the festival, i probably
wouldn't be real comfy there as a straight woman.  this would be along the
same lines as the time i was asked to leave a gay bar because i'm not gay.
the ultimate message, in my mind, is that each of us has to be comfortable in
his or her own skin, and once that happens, we aren't afraid of others who
aren't like us.  that's a good first step toward gettingpast the exclusion of
these women's festivals.

i am definitely disappointed that ig felt the need to participate in an
exclusionary event like this.  it makes me think they must not be quite as
openminded and all inclusinve as i thought.  peace and love ya'll

bonnie

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wow!  elucidate my dumb ass~

        women running around naked or only in leather chaps and practicing
s&m???  i agree that this is more than the average fellow can take
non-responsively :0
        but somehow, i can't imagine the publicly accepting response if it
were a "men's fest" with naked guys running around with discreet parts
flailing in the wind and appreciating each other's manhood! :o ;)
        i tend to disagee with dan perkins assertion that white males still
demand superiority in today's society...

somethin's haaaaaaappenin here...?
tony

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did i mention that i love you<g>


on thu, 19 mar 1998, deb reiser wrote:

> at 04:39 pm 3/19/98 -0700, elizabeth wrote:
> >this thread is getting out of control fast.  very
> >interesting to see the anger from men, i was not
> >expecting that from this crowd.
>
> well i might as well chip in here and shake things up a bit more :)
> actually i'm surprised it took this long for this topic to be debated. i
> thought more was going to be said when word of the michigan show first came
> to light.
>
> for those who really care, here's where i stand on this topic:
> i for one am not a guy, i'm by no means straight, i got my degree from an
> all chick school, i've experienced the mwmf first hand and
> dun-dun-dun....i'm greatly disappointed that ig are playing the fest.
>
> other posts have put mwmf on the same level as college shows that give its
> students first shot at tickets and the couple of hte shows that were done
> on native lands. tangelos and lingonberries boys and girls!!
>
> the mwmf isn't about escaping nor is about a special night out for a good
> cause. the premise is _separatism_. it's not only limited to female born
> members of society, but once in the grounds you are separated into
> alcohol-free zones, scent-free zones, etc (are there meat-free zones too? i
> can't recall) should you and your female partner have a male child of a
> certain age, you are relegated to even yet another area of the land and
> that child is not allowed to venture from that area. all this is done to
> make things "safe" for those in attendance who for whatever reason need a
> special place to be.
>
> sure there are plenty of women who merely show up for the good time, work
> shops, and good music. a great selection of goods can be found at the fest
> and the good lord knows that one will see things at michigan that will not
> be seen anywhere else in life! (if it gets reported that amy strolled the
> grounds in nothing but a pair of leather chaps i for one will lament the
> day i wrote these words). but those who just show up for the good time
> should be aware of what they are supporting and perpetuating.
>
> the bottom line is that the mwmf was founded on and is still rooted in
> separatist principles. i simply don't like that the two musicians i admire
> most for their outlook on life and the fairness they expouse, are appearing
> at a festival that has a basis in a believe that i find not to be freeing
> or otherwise transcedental, but offensive.
>
> i for one would applaud ig's appearance at the fest only if they show up
> with jerry in his skirt and make a statement heard throught "the land". :)
>
> deb
>
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i have typed up the booklet that came with the 1200 curfews cd.
it's my understanding that some people didn't get a one with
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if you'd like a copy in microsoft word, corel wordperfect or
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while i can really argue this thing either way, it seems to me that their
decision to play the mwmf shouldn't be a problem to anyone unless they
suddenly decide to play for only women-only audiences.  no one tours more than
emily & amy...their fans have far more opportunity than most musicians' fans
to see and hear them in the flesh...so if every now and then, they lend their
talents to an event or group that is something less than all-inclusive in its
audience composition, (whether it be an hte show on native land, or a show
open only to college students, or the mwmf), i don't think that anyone should
feel slighted or neglected by their participation.  they have obviously given
considerable thought to this, and had a change of heart over their previous
policy of not playing at the women-only event.  whatever their reasons, i'm
sure that their decision has everything to do with being supportive of women
and absolutely nothing to do with being discriminatory of men.

maureen

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hey folks,

just a couple points:

1) please, don't quote other peoples' entire mail messages when
replying to the list - it's an incredible waste of bandwidth.

2) the michigan women's fest discussion - it might be time to
take it to private email.  this is another one of those things
we could discuss until the cows (assuming we had cows) came
home and still never reach full agreement on...

happy happy,
sherlyn
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        alrighty good friends!!!  the rhetoric is knee deep and the vast
generalizations are piling up fast.  lets just remember that the mwmf is
only one festival, one week attended by a very small (relatively) group of
people.  i'm tired of hearing phrases like "how can women expect to have
equality when they exclude men".  please, one can't possibly believe that
this one festival represents women's struggle for equality.
        i am also embarrassed by some people's comments that they are
dissappointed in ig for playing this festival.  this obviously isn't
something they are doing on a whim.  they must have their reasons for
feeling that it's time to play there.  let's give them a little credit
here!
        if you don't like what mwmf stands for than don't go, but we have to
respect a&e's right to make that decision for themselves and not pass
judgement on them.
        let's try to remember it's only a concert not a political movement!  i
don't think we're endanger of the dreaded sepratist sentiment spreading
anytime soon.  rest easy knowing ig will be in a town near you and
ticketmaster will be happy to sell you tickets regardless of your gender,
sexual orientation, gender orientation, race, age, creed, height or
eye-color.

flame away...i don't get nearly enough useless mail in my box

casey

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ok, i am gonna try this.   can this please be the last thing "publically" said
about the no men concert thingie?  i am sure i am not the only one, and this
has definately turned from ig to nigc    bigtime!  besides,

*there's no need to argue anymore..*    ~cranberries

ok, not really arguing, but whatever.  hey, let's change the ole subject, kay?

p.s.  does anyone know what the voice says in the middle of *hey kind friend*?
thanks all, trooper            gi troop@aol.com

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first...deb, you make a good point in telling how there are all those
different separations in the fest. i wouldn't have know that if you
hadn't shared. i was contemplating going, but now i'm not so sure.
second...mark, you're right, being excluded from a concert is
frustrating, but i see it from the point that i can't get into 21 & over
concerts (like michelle malone, sob) since i'm 18. i haven't the slightest
intention of drinking at these shows, i just want to hear the artists i
love. but i guess eventually i will be old enough whereas no one can
eventually become the opposite sex (biologically i mean).
and lastly...for you men who don't understand the concept of safe space
for women, think about it. we are not men haters or paranoid. if you (i'm
addressing the guys still) are, say, sitting waiting for a bus in the
evening (like i had to last night) and a woman sits down next to you, do
you have to worry about your safety? probably not. most likely you are
bigger than her and more muscular. but for me, being a short, petite,
whimp of a girl (with no chance of getting bigger) i have to at least
stay alert because almost any guy who wanted to could drag me off
somewhere. even my taller, buffer friend wasn't safe when she was raped
last year. and who comits the larger majority of violent crimes? men. i
think it's hard to understand what it's like to fear others because of
who you are (female, black, gay) unless you fit into that category. i
admit that being white i just do not know why black people say they are
always afraid of police. i do not have that experience in my life. do you
see what i'm saying? i hope i haven't rambled or said something too
stupid, but can you guys understand now? i must say that i feel a hell of
a lot safer (physically and emotionally) in my all girls school than i ever
did in regular coed school.
so in conclusion (betcha didn't think i'd ever get to this part), even
though i understand that there are valid arguments against it, i am not
disappointed that ig are playing at the fest nor do i have anything
against the fest itself because i just can't say that women don't deserve
to have something special like this.
-sam (hoping she ended up contributing something useful)

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someone mentioned hkf, and it remeinded me of something i wanted to ask.
is the cornet player on hkf a professional?  because if he is, then i
think he had a very bad performance, because i find his tone etc. to be
very bad.  i've heard high schoolers play better.  i don't want to be
mean, but after years of playing a brass instrument, you can get
bothered by this sort of thing easily (including my self...i wish i
could play better!!! grr!!).
another thought...what composers would you compare ig to...i say
tchikovsky for amy & brahms or shubert for emily.  i think they would
both be best compared to romantics in any case.
carol
ps--still looking for somepne who has a boot of the la show who would
accept a blank tape becasue i just don't have enough boots to trade
yet!!  &:}

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for several years, i personally have resisted all pleas by friends to attend
the mwf because i dont at all agree with the separatist agenda or practice
there.

emily saliers mentioned to me when i interviewed her in october that they
hoped to play michigan this year. i brought up the separatist thing, said i
had never gone because of that. she said at 34, she just felt like it was
alright for her to make a decision  to support a safe space for women  for a
week or two because the rest of the year there were a lot of spaces that
werent safe for women.

both girls seemed really into playing the festival. i asked amy about it
during an interview with her and she said they were essentially inviting
themselves and that it would be a bummer if the michigan people wouldnt let
them play.

so i guess they got what they wanted and good for them i say.

i mean i dont think its right for me (altho, as deb said, if amy strolls
around in nothing but leather chaps i will kick myself for several months at
least), but it sounded to me like they had their reasons and really wanted to
do it. and as many have pointed out, it's one show of several hundred theyve
played this tour, so i dont think anyone has a right to gripe about it.

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hopping on her very own soapbox, ariel sez:

on thu, 19 mar 1998, david rogers wrote:
> see no point in it. people are saying, "but so what its only one
> concert", well yeah its one concert but to some of us that is a big deal.
> i've paid a lot of money and traveled a lot to see one concert in the
> past. if this was where i lived, i would really be pissed off because it
> would upset me to think that the girls were playing in my town and i
> couldnt go. actually i think i would try pretty hard to go anyway (i mean
> do they have a gentials check at the door or something? i dont know)
> so i'm disappointed that the girls are saying to me, "hey you arent
> allowed to listen to our music because you are a boy". after i've
> supported them all these years?

i don't think that's what they're saying.  i think the idea of "it's only
one concert" -is- valid -- it's not like amy and emily have suddenly
decided that there are no more men allowed to come to any of their shows.
i have to admit that i don't know a lot about the actuality of the fest
(just what i've heard over the list), so i do hope i'm not making a fool
out of myself, but it seems that if a&e want to play one show where it's
just women, peachy for them.  i do think that it would be -better- if they
were to put on another concert in the area, but...maybe i'm wrong.  but i
think that just about every other concert of theirs has been open to both
genders.  doesn't sound, at least to me, like they're telling all the guys
to **** off.

> and whats the point of the whole thing anyway? i've heard lots of people
> talking about how women can for one night feel "safe". what the hell is
> that supposed to mean? somebody let me in please if you have an answer.
> do all you women always feel "unsafe" at indigo girls concert where men
> are? are men monsters that you have to run away from. if you think this,
> its very sad and you are unfortunately messed up in the head. a person is
> a person and every person is very different from every other person and
> it doesn't have anything to do with gender.

for the one concert i've been to, no, i wasn't feeling threatened by all
the men.  and no, men as a group aren't monsters that i have to run away
from.  do i like men as a whole?  sure.  do i, every now and then, like to
run off in the woods with only my female friends?  also sure.  maybe it's
just me, but there -is- a difference in a mixed-gender group.  and i don't
think a&e's playing one all-women's concert is the same as declaring that
their male fans are all scary monsters.

> as for the argument that mean are louder and disruptive, thats also
> preposterous. at all of the indigo concerts i've been to, the high school
> age girls have been the ones making the most noise with their high
> pitched squealing and goofing off. many of them have been really
> annoying. and just listen to any of your boots where their is too much
> audience noise and listen to that one voice which is annoying you.
> probably a girl's.  yes, men are collectively annoying, but not anymore
> than women are.

being a teenage girl, should i apologize for being a little shrieky and
excited when i go to concerts?  i don't think so, but that's a whole other
issue and a whole other soapbox.  i agree, though -- the argument that men
are loud and disruptive is baloney.  it's not men as a group any more than
it's teenage girls as a group, and i -hope- that's not the argument a&e
gave.

on to the next message! =)
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on thu, 19 mar 1998 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

>   what a *!#$@ festival. how can women even hope to gain equality if they
> exclude men. beleive it or not, we still live in a male dominated world.
> you can bitch to me and call me a chauvinist but it's simply the truth.
>   how you gain acceptence and equality is by exposure and education. if
> you seperate yourself from any major segment of the population you are
> promoting ignorence.

again, i'm not familar with the festival's politics.  but, making a
perhaps dangerous generalization, i don't find anything terribly wrong
with making a space for women every now and then.  seperation as a whole
-- bad.  for a week or so -- not that bad.

were there to be a male-only music fest, i'd get a little grumpy.  but no
more than when, say, michelle malone plays at a tavern i can't get into
because i'm a teenager -- i'm all for space for individual groups.
provided it's not an all-the-time thing.  if the indigo girls were to
start playing only female-only crowds -- i'd probably stop going to see
them.  but one show?


--ariel

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in a message dated 98-03-19 23:13:58 est, listserv@netspace.org writes:

<<  let's try to remember it's only a concert not a political movement!  >>

well, if the organizers or this festival wants to exclude men, that's their
perogitive (sp?).  but to say that it's not a political movement, that's
rediculous!  of course it's political.

brian

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can anybody else hear dar williams in the back of their head right now =
singing "when i was a boy"?  just a thought. :)

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on thu, 19 mar 1998 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

> sorry to chime in again. but didn't women used to complain about all male
> country clubs and organizations. now you founded one........it's a little
> thing called hypocricy.ben

well i read an interesting article in the guardian newspaper a few weeks
back about that, because in the uk the marylebone cricket club has just
voted to continue excluding women (the mcc runs the lords cricket ground,
and both the club and the ground are among the most prestigious of their
kind in the country.   we also have several clubs, mostly in london, such
as the garrick and the athenaeum, which are still all-male after several
hundred years and to which several very powerful men belong.   (they
didn't get included in the sex discrimination act because, grant wrote,
the politicians who introduced that act were members of several of the
clubs themselves, and were under pressure from othe members not to let
women in.)   what this woman said was that this discrimination is wrong,
and the solution to it is to ban all discrimination at private clubs
*unless* there is some reason why they should remain all-male or
all-female (eg. if they were related to a particularly male or female
health issue). the reasoning was that "these are the backrooms where deals
are done and where other people get stitched up".   (it also meant that
female journalists couldn't interview people there, as male journalists
could, which made their job worth less than the male journo's.)

i think it's safe to say that no deals are done at michigan and no-one
gets stitched up, and in any case, it's land owned by women (unlike the
university campuses where most of these women's music festivals happen)
and they have the right to admit whoever they like onto it.   this isn't
"a few gigs", this is just one gig, at the beginning of the festival, and
if you want to go to mwmf to see ig, you have to pay the full fare to see
round robin, straight ahead, teresa trull and barbara higbie, zrazy, ubaka
hill, toshi reagon and dozens of other people you've most likely never
heard of and you may not even like, all of whom you can go and see at a
concert hall or club for a fraction of the cost, without leaving your male
friends at home.

there are two sticking points i have with the festival.   the first is the
no-transexual policy, which doesn't stem from an incident when a man
turned up in a dress at the gate and claimed to be a transsexual, but from
an incident when an organiser told a ts woman she wasn't welcome, the
incident became public and the festival continued enforcing it as policy
to avoid admitting error.   go to dejanews, do a power search
(http://www.dejanews.com/home_ps.shtml) for
"soc.women.lesbian-and-bi&michigan", the article is headed "re: womyn born
womyn" and is by amelia a lewis.   that's where the full story is.

the other sticking point concerns male back-up musicians - a lot of women
musicians (ig inluded) tour regularly with male musicians, and a policy
like the one at michigan forces them either to tour solo, or to drop their
musicians in the nearest town when they play the mwmf, and either play
solo at the festival or with unfamiliar musicians.   and if one of the
women they then play with at the fest falls ill, would they be allowed to
bring in one of their regular (male) musicians to fill the gap?   if not,
that strikes me as a bit ridiculous.

but at the end of the day, michigan is thousands of miles away from me,
and i couldn't go there even if i was a woman who was willing to shell out
hundreds to go to such a festival.   in the uk we don't get to see most ig
gigs, we see them on short tours once every few years.   frankly missing
one gig isn't going to make much difference.   if they started blocking
men from their regular shows, *then* start worrying.

mat

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on thu, 19 mar 1998, lynda raina wrote:

> well the answer is obvious!
>
> if it means that much to you, shave off your body hair and go in drag!
> who is going to know? (except everyone here)..!

well anyone who hears his voice, perhaps?

mat

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on thu, 19 mar 1998, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:

> im not angry that women have their own place hell they deserve it however
> and think long and hard on this do you know of any concerts that are just
> men allowed  i cant think of a one women wanna run around naked during a
> festival hey no problem they wanna bond with other women no problem they
> wanna have a club just for women not a prob  however music is for everyone
> dont let me in to the festivities thats fine however let me into the
> concert

the concert is *part* of the festivities.   and if they allowed men in, it
wouldn't be a *women's* music fest anymore.   they might as well close the
whole thing down.

mat

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ok, i must have missed something, or have i? this list has been =
overflowing with posts regarding equality, separation, and gender =
specific behavioral patterns lately and i seem to have noticed a =
similarity between a number of these posts. it would seem as though many =
people have been misspelling the word "women". many people these days =
have been spelling it "womyn" at first i thought it was just an =
oversight (a typographical error perhaps), or maybe just a new hip thing =
to do (like when people spell "cool" as "kewl" in a chat room). alas, it =
would seem as though my neivete almost prevented me from noticing what =
could possibly be a much more sinister plot. could it be that us =
men-folk are so terrible that some members of the female gender don't =
even want the word "men" to even be associated with them? perhaps there =
is another answer. maybe they just have something against the letter =
"e". personally i rather like the letter "e". without it you couldn't =
spell words like: "peace" or "love" or "people", and really, isn't that =
what we all are..."people"? so, i leave it up to you to decide for =
yourself. is this minor exclusion of the letter "e" a harmless =
interpretation of the english language, or sinister plot to rid mankind =
of men, one vowel at a time?

peace,=20

chris wilson=20

(p.s.) i'll admit i had some fun writing this and it's intended to be =
taken lightly, but i think the point is still valid. either way, you =
make the call...


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chris w. wrote:
>
>  it would seem as though many people have been misspelling the word
> "women". many people these days have been spelling it "womyn" at first i
> thought it was just an oversight (a typographical error perhaps), or
maybe
> just a new hip thing to do (like when people spell "cool" as "kewl" in a
> chat room). alas, it would seem as though my neivete almost prevented me
> from noticing what could possibly be a much more sinister plot. could it
be
> that us men-folk are so terrible that some members of the female gender
> don't even want the word "men" to even be associated with them?

lol, this reminds me of when i was 5 or 6 and on vacation with my
grandmother. she was explaining to me which restroom to use and said for
me
to go into the one that said "women" on the door, because it meant "whoa,
men!"

okay, maybe you had to be there.

peace,
susan

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you guys, i'm deleting 20 to 30 posts a day on the mwmf.  can it please be
taken to private mail?  i'm pretty sure that in the last 100 posts, everything
has been said that can be said.

peace, harmony and indigo,

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hey!

i have to agree w/sherilyn here... this is a big discussion... and,
although it does have "some" ig content, it should be taken to private
email.  i am, however, interested in hearing what everyone has to say
about this.  so, if someone has started to "take charge" of this
discussion... please add me to your list... i may not contribute on my
own... but am interested to hear what y'all have to say.
it seems like a lot of us are interested.  so, if whomever is keeping
track of everyone's messages on this, could let the rest of us know how
to get in on the discussion... that would be great.
then we can quit using the ig list to discuss something that they're
only doing one time... for one show...

thanks,
twink!
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+ shawn colvin
  tune in to hear shawn colvin live on friday, march 20th from
  7:30am - 1:00pm (est) from sony studios.
  you can only catch it at:
     http://www.shawncolvin.com

jude :)

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on fri, 20 mar 1998, matthew j smith wrote:

> hundred years and to which several very powerful men belong.   (they
> didn't get included in the sex discrimination act because, grant wrote,
> the politicians who introduced that act were members of several of the
> clubs themselves, and were under pressure from othe members not to let
> women in.)   what this woman said was that this discrimination is wrong,
[snippage]

just to clear it up ... "grant" is linda grant, who is a regular columnist
in the guardian and possibly several other broadsheet newspapers, a
feminist and the author of "sexing the millenium" and a novel, whose name
i can't remember.

another couple of points regarding michigan:  first of all, michigan is,
to my knowledge, a *tiny* event.   if you look on the 1997 festival
journal on their website (http://www.michfest.com/), the attendance figure
quoted is 8,000.   to put that into perspective, i went to a festival at
cropredy, england, last year and the year before;  that is considered a
small festival and its attendance has been well over 20,000 easily.   the
separatist principles behind it may be partly responsible for this, as
some people will be put off by them, some simply excluded;  others simply
won't want to travel all the way out to michigan just to see a bunch of
people they've never heard of.   and perhaps when a&e have experienced the
separatism they'll make up their own minds on whether to play the event
again.

as for the "take this off the list" moaners, i have to agree with those
people who said that discussion of the indigo girls is what this list is
for.   i thought we'd seen the last of this when the news list was set up.
can i suggest that anyone who wants to discuss the festival put the
letters "mwmf" in the subject line, so that anyone who doesn't want to
read it can delete it?

mat

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it seems that some of y'all have been so busy with the mwmf discussion,
which has now become *completely* nigc, and forgotten that there is a fud
drive going on for amy's birthday.  for those of you who were around last
year at this time, remember how much we raised??  into the thousands,
that's for sure.  and yet with this list still growing, we've only gotten
$100 dollars?????  her birthday is coming soon, y'all, and it would be
really sad if we couldn't at least make a comprable gift to last year's.
if you're a college student like me, i know you don't have much money.  i
completely understand that.  if you can give just $5, that's wonderful.
if you don't even have that (as many of my friends don't), then take one
dollar of your own, gather a few other dollars from your friends, and
donate jointly.
if every person on this list donated just one dollar, think about how much
we'd have given.

food for thought....

sue

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ok this made me laugh just a teence.  i love how threatened some males feel
when women take it into their own hands to decide how to spell their
gender..womyn, wimmin, etc.  it's funny how at the end of your post, you wrote,
one step from "mankind".  heh.

and what makes women wanting to leave out "men" from the word somehow a "evil
plot?"

and just to clarify - yes that is why some women choose to spell their gender's
name differently...because they don't want their name to have to include that
of men.

this is something that some women do, not all.  but it is empowering for them.
trust me, i doubt these womyn will be taking over corporate glass ceilings
anytime soon, and threatening the male hierarchical structure...  your word
"women" will probably officially be spelled that way for a long time to come,
so don't lose any sleep.

amy c.

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hey kind friends-
re: michigan womyn's fest
for any females out there who are criticizing it because it excludes men i
have one thing to offer- have you ever been there?
no amount of describing could prepare you for the experience of 15,000+ womyn
in one beautiful space in the western michigan wilderness. and while music is
a huge portion of the experience, it is not the only one. unlike any other
music fest, at michigan, you are actually living- camping- on the grounds for
up to 10 days. it is communal living on hundreds of the most beautiful land-
with common meals and seminars and workshops and concerts.
it is about the celebration of the female spirit and everything that means.
people feel free to eshew all cultural constraints- including clothing-
because of the safety of the space. i hope the guys out there would not
disparage us for wanting what they've had for centuries- a place where they
reign supreme.
by recognizing this, the indigo girls are not advocating a whole world that
always excludes all men, but are merely supporting this small effort to carve
out one meaningful place to once a year celebrate all things female. maybe
bonnie is right- learning to celebrate their lesbianism is helping them to
celebrate their feminism.

(btw- i hear males are not completely excluded. a small select few are
permitted on the grounds from 2 am to 4 am to clean the port-a-janes!)

~peace and all things indigo~leah

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i just got this new tour info off of the igfc hotline.  looks like the high
school tour is finally in the works!

these are **only** the dates that deb doesn't have on her site yet.  the rest
of the dates are as she has on her site =)

4/13 - loganville high school, loganville, ga
4/15 - chattanooga memorial auditorium, chattanooga, tn (only this date, not
the 16th)
4/23 - vote for choice benefit, dallas, tx (i *think* that's what he said)
4/27 - va slam, nyc, ny
4/30 - tba
5/4 - franklin high school, franklin, tn
5/5 - germantown high school, germantown, tn
5/6 - farragut high school, knoxville, tn
5/7 - ermo (???) high school, columbia, sc (again, i couldn't quite make out
the specific name of the school here)

=)
lisa

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hey all,

ok, so it's been years since i've posted to this list but i just had to come
out of lurkdom and say something.

i like this thread about the festival.  it's one of the most interesting
threads i've seen in a long time.  i find myself actually reading the list,
instead of just continuously holding the down arrow to scroll through
everything.

i don't think anyone's arguing - i think we're all just discussing it.  isn't
that what we're suppose to do?  discuss things?  i'd rather not have it taken
to private email, but that's just my 2 cents.

and, of course, i'd like to add my opinion to it all - i think it's unfair to
exclude men.  i'm of the belief that music should be enjoyed by everyone and
segregation sucks, no matter who's doing it to who.

actually, i think one person on this list said it best:  neil johnson wrote,
"the world puts up barriers.  getting past them is what brings happiness in
life."

i love that, neil.  you are so right.

besides, all you need to do is go to the digest form of this list and quickly
skip thru any messages you don't want to read.  that way, those of us who like
this thread can continue it without filling up anyone's mail box.

later,
elise

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have been listening to the list compliation made last year(?) which for
the most part is just the girls, no jerry...thats prolly what you'll
hear at the fest..really really good stuff..( btw..i still like caramia
as an acoustic tune better than the recorded version..and the lead
breaks emily does on pushin the needle is great..good old stuff that i
admire so much about her playing style..)..i certainly hope anyone who
does go boots the show for those of us not going....
and just to chime in..i really have enjoyed this discussion..yes it gets
long but for the first time in a very long time a really intelligent
nigc ( which really has some ig content to it..now how did that happen)
is taking place and i enjoy it much better than the threads of .".what
color undies does amy wear and  is emily really a blonde" type trash
that pops up ..kinda like bein part of this group again..

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doolittle <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net> wrote:

>  but somehow, i can't imagine the publicly accepting response if it
> were a "men's fest" with naked guys running around with discreet parts
> flailing in the wind and appreciating each other's manhood!
>
isn't that called a drunkin frat party???  ;-)

cybernot

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if you were around last summer, you might recall this kind of trivia thing i
sent out.  well, here's a new one, but if you want the whole thing, email me
privately.  and like last year, as of right now, i don't know the answers, but
i will be getting them at a later date.

d

> >>below are 222 lines from 80s pop music songs. your job is to guess the
> >>song title and artist of each. hint: no 2 songs are by the same artist,
and
> >>all were produced between 1980 - 1989. the average person should be
> >>familiar with almost all of the songs, if he/she owned a radio in the 80s.
> >>good luck!
> >>
> >>1.    suckin on chili dogs outside the tastee-freez
> >>2.    i've done no harm, i keep to myself
> >>3.    there's a freeway runnin' through the yard

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i thought we were trying to discuss something, not trade insults.  i guess
you are incapable of an intelligent thought and must resort to the under
the table tactics.  lets not bring more stereotypes into this.  all they
do is make people defensive and when that happens things get real ugly
real quick.
neil...
on fri, 20 mar 1998, cybernot wrote:
> doolittle <tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >  but somehow, i can't imagine the publicly accepting response if it
> > were a "men's fest" with naked guys running around with discreet parts
> > flailing in the wind and appreciating each other's manhood!
> >
> isn't that called a drunkin frat party???  ;-)
>
> cybernot

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hi all.
is slam definitely on april 27?
also, how & when can we purchase tickets?
thanks for any info.
jami
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>for any females out there who are criticizing it because it excludes men i
>have one thing to offer- have you ever been there?

hello womyn and myn on the list--i have just resubbed on the list because i
hear there is intelligent chat going on about this pesky women's festival.
of course i have opinions and questions that i feel the need to share.

disclaimer:  please do not let my opinions reflect on your ability to help
me out withe aids ride--i don't get that money so not sending due to my
opinions is silly and will only hurt others--not me (right garian?)  :).

>no amount of describing could prepare you for the experience of 15,000+ womyn
>in one beautiful space in the western michigan wilderness.

well as deb said (who was there btw) there are plenty of words to describe
the festival.  i am sure it is an amazing experience for women.  i recall
going to my first gay pride parade here in chicago after just coming
out--like 300,000 gay people all over the place.  it was amazing to know i
was not alone etc.  i can see how the womyn's festival can be an equally
amazing experience for women.  it is a day all to their own.  makes sense
to me.  i do think men should be allowed to go however.  not many would but
they should be allowed to.

what i have major issue with is that indigo girls, a band i have respected
over many years for sticking to their guns and not giving into pressure or
politics has suddenly decided to play at this festival.  correct me if i am
wrong, but haven't they refused to do this festival specifically because it
excluded men and they didn't want to be part of a separatist event.
nothing has changed here--it still excludes men.

i could see ig performing at some hypothetical million women march on
washington to show support for women.  but even at that event i am sure men
would also be allowed to march who wanted to show support for women.  why
are ig doing a show that is exclusionary?  and does anyone know how jerry
has reacted to being left behind?  josh segal?

have the festival.  i think it's fine--but please leave ig out of it.

>it is about the celebration of the female spirit and everything that means.
>people feel free to eshew all cultural constraints- including clothing-
>because of the safety of the space. i hope the guys out there would not
>disparage us for wanting what they've had for centuries- a place where they
>reign supreme.

not at all.  as i said, there seems to be a lot of interest in it so have
the festival.  but ig playing there is my main beef.  who pressured them
into it?  most ig concerts are mostly women anyway.  but  the difference is
that i would at least be allowed to go.  it's all principle to me.

i have been to bars in nyc where they would not let my female friends in
because it was a gay men's bar.  i was outraged and will never go back
there.

>by recognizing this, the indigo girls are not advocating a whole world that
>always excludes all men, but are merely supporting this small effort to carve
>out one meaningful place to once a year celebrate all things female.

this is crap (imho of course) :).   should we have one day a year where
black folks need to go to the back of the bus for old time's sake.  how
about one day a year where jews get rounded up and sent to the poison
chambers--just for kicks and german unity.  it's only once a year!  why
not.  or how about a once a year all straight festival--no homos or dykes
allowed would be the slogan.  what if ig performed at that concert.  i'm am
sure jokes about fags being allowed on between 2 and 4 am to clean the
port-o-homophobes wouldn't be taken as lightly.

obviously the festival isn't as awful as my examples, but  the concept is
the same.  it excludes and separates.  if it's a celebration of feminism
and women's rights then men who support such things should be allowed in
period.  since they are not ig should have stayed out.

ok back to the news list :)

greg


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hey!

i just saw in the paper that the concert in dallas is with the indigo girls,
shawn colvin, nanci griffith, and graham nash.  you can't beat a line up like
that.  the tickets are $40-$50 on sale at ticketmaster at 10 am tomorrow.
majestic theater is a great place to see a show.  i'm definitely psyched!
hope to see you there!

dena

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waaaahhhh! i protest.  these concerts are age-ist and exclusionary!  how
dare they organize a concert that i can't attend!

> 4/13 - loganville high school, loganville, ga
> 5/4 - franklin high school, franklin, tn
> 5/5 - germantown high school, germantown, tn
> 5/6 - farragut high school, knoxville, tn
> 5/7 - ermo (???) high school, columbia, sc (again, i couldn't quite make out
> the specific name of the school here)

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they could section the concert part off since from the sound of it they
section every thing else off there

on fri, 20 mar 1998, matthew j smith wrote:

> on thu, 19 mar 1998, mark anthony donajkowski wrote:
>
> > im not angry that women have their own place hell they deserve it however
> > and think long and hard on this do you know of any concerts that are just
> > men allowed  i cant think of a one women wanna run around naked during a
> > festival hey no problem they wanna bond with other women no problem they
> > wanna have a club just for women not a prob  however music is for everyone
> > dont let me in to the festivities thats fine however let me into the
> > concert
>
> the concert is *part* of the festivities.   and if they allowed men in, it
> wouldn't be a *women's* music fest anymore.   they might as well close the
> whole thing down.
>
> mat
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at 08:57 am 3/20/98 , amy lynn carpenter wrote:
>ok this made me laugh just a teence.  i love how threatened some males feel
>when women take it into their own hands to decide how to spell their
>gender..womyn, wimmin, etc.

pardon me, but in doing so you are taking it into your own hands to decide
how to spell my gender as well, and i am not so insecure as to demand a
misspelling of it.

and add me to the voices that want to keep the mwmf thread going.  this is
the first thread i've actually read for weeks (even though i was compelled
to try to sell youon the cds in my player <g>).  it's a nice respite from
the mass deletions that i resort to between tours and cds.

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at 08:13 am 3/20/98 , susan.e.harney wrote:
>
> it seems that some of y'all have been so busy with the mwmf discussion,
> which has now become *completely* nigc, and forgotten that there is a fud
> drive going on for amy's birthday.  for those of you who were around last
> year at this time, remember how much we raised??  into the thousands,
> that's for sure.  and yet with this list still growing, we've only gotten
> $100 dollars?????


well the announcement came when many are on their spring break... and many of
these folks may mass delete when they get back, so elizabeth should repost,
oh,
maybe middle of next week.  i just got around to reading the list for the
first
time since the address were posted myself -- some of us don't read every day,
especially with the signal-to-noise ratio as it is these days...

>
>  her birthday is coming soon


april 12, for those wondering...

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there is a big differnce between you cant attend them cause you dont go to
that school and you cant attendthem cause of yoru sex both male and female
will be attending these concerts

on fri, 20 mar 1998, garian arleta vigil wrote:

> waaaahhhh! i protest.  these concerts are age-ist and exclusionary!  how
> dare they organize a concert that i can't attend!
>
> > 4/13 - loganville high school, loganville, ga
> > 5/4 - franklin high school, franklin, tn
> > 5/5 - germantown high school, germantown, tn
> > 5/6 - farragut high school, knoxville, tn
> > 5/7 - ermo (???) high school, columbia, sc (again, i couldn't quite make out
> > the specific name of the school here)
>
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shut up! all of you, shut up! strange as it sounds, it's none of our
business to decide where the ig play or if their choices have merit.
it's their decision and their decision alone. this is the kind of thread
that would give me the creeps if i were one of the girls and i caught
wind of it. if you're a woman, decide if you're going to go or not. if
you're not a woman, you don't have anything to worry about. stop
bitching about it. now, no milk and cookies for any of you...

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hey i just woke up to my alarm radio....the dj said shawn colvin  and ig will
be here on april 23rd and tickets go on sale tomorrow 3/21 at 10:00 am at
ticketmaster!!!!!!  yay!!!!!!!!!!  what a way to wake up!!!!!!!!!

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from davidf@seattlesys.com <mailto:davidf@seattlesys.com>

i would love to know how to find chords for indigo girl songs.  some of the
email addresses that i have tried to use don't' seem to be active or
available with my server.  thanks for any help you can provide.

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hi,

i was wondering if any dallas listee's would be willing to purchase me
one ticket to the ig/shawn colvin show?
if so, please e-mail me at my home e-mail address: bassman@eden.com

i live in austin and would sent you a check right away.

thanks,

dan perkins
austin, texas

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hello,

i just thought i'd make an observation.  shaming of the sun has been
widely talked about as the indigo girls most electric album to date.
well, it may sound that way, but on the whole cd, there is only track
that doesn't have acoustic guitar, and that is leeds.  they're still folk
rocking my world.

wendell

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> 4/13 - loganville high school, loganville, ga
> 5/4 - franklin high school, franklin, tn
> 5/5 - germantown high school, germantown, tn
> 5/6 - farragut high school, knoxville, tn
> 5/7 - ermo (???) high school, columbia, sc (again, i couldn't quite make out
* the specific name of the school here)

i think it's "irmo"
mary.

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we wouldn't be having this discussion about mwmf if women did not have to
create a separate space to feel safe.  this is more than a debate about
separatism and politics.  this goes deep into the core of ourselves.  it's a
problem that probably won't be solved in my lifetime, but i hope that someday
it will.

anna
"what do i want for my children?  it's a good question - because maybe
i'll live it sooner than i think, and maybe the way i'll be with my
daughter or son starts with the way i am now." --bethany spicher
http://narnia.emu.edu/students/creechal/creechal.htm

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>
>
>>shut up! all of you, shut up!
>
>excuse me? i have to say, i feel pretty insulted that someone would tell me
>to shut up! and with such vigor. disagree with me, feel free to tell me.
>think i'm full of crap, fine. think this discussion should move to private
>e-mail, okay. but please, do not take it upon yourself to yell at me to shut
>up.
>
>i have to agree with deb, usually i just highlight a bunch of list messages
>and delete them.
>
>one of the things i like about this list is occasionally we stop talking
>about what amy wore at the last concert and talk about something with some
>true importance. this mwmf discussion is one of those times. it's about more
>than an ig show. it has taken on the larger sociological ramifications of
>exclusionary practices of homogenous groups. how do we feel about that? is it
>okay? is it productive? is it counter productive? and how do we feel about ig
>involving themselves with such a group (so there is ig content)?
>
>
>>it's their decision and their decision alone.
>
>you are absolutely correct here. it is their decision. much like it would be
>their decision if their next cd was a free jazz album or white girl rap. but
>you can bet there would be discussion about that, and a lot of dissention.
>
>>you're a woman, decide if you're going to go or not. if you're not a woman,
>>you don't have anything to worry about. stop
>>bitching about it.
>
>you are pretty much right on here too. if you are a guy, you ain't going.
>bitching doesn't do any good. however, an open and honest discussion of ideas
>and feelings can do some good. it won't change the situation at mwmf, but
>perhaps we are learning something about ourselves and others.
>
>okay, i think y'all have heard quite enough out of me the last couple of
>days... once again i shall step down from my soap box and try to keep quiet
>for awhile... ;-)
>
>peace,
>
>dan perkins
>austin, texas
>
>"my life is part of the global life"
>
>
>
>

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hey folks,

matthew j smith said:
>as for the "take this off the list" moaners, i have to agree with those
>people who said that discussion of the indigo girls is what this list is
>for.   i thought we'd seen the last of this when the news list was set up.

actually, personally, i don't believe that the existence
of a news-only list changes the focus of this list in
anyway.  but, you know, that's just me.

whatever,
sherlyn
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        so the tornado that struck gainesville, ga, is that the same gainesville
in soy?  between atlanta and athens, a little to the north?  (yep, i own an
atlas)  any listees there??  everyone okay, doing fine, home intact?  i
hope so!
        sorry, but i have to chime in one more time on the mwmf.  and agree with
amy who said it's none of our damn business where ig choose to play (but we
can pray they come to our town!) and i must take exception to greg's
comment about "who pressured" ig into playing mwmf. i honestly doubt they
get pressured into doing anything.  they  have chosen not to play there in
the past, but they have every right to change their minds.  they may go
this year and decide that they don't like it, they won't know until they
have played there, maybe they will experience the seperatism and division
that has been brought up by people have been there, and decide it's not for
them.  let's let them make that decision for themselves.

have a good weekend!!!!

casey

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at 12:21 pm 3/20/98 -0500, greg flamer you said:
>obviously the festival isn't as awful as my examples, but  the concept is
>the same.  it excludes and separates.  if it's a celebration of feminism
>and women's rights then men who support such things should be allowed in
>period.  since they are not ig should have stayed out.

i first wanted to say good post to greg. enjoyed reading it! i'm !gasp! a
straight white christian male, and i have about as much love as separatism
as i do of being eaten to death by fire ants while mili vanili music plays
loudly in my ears. it's wrong. separatism and prejudice--which are
ultimately the denial of another's humanity--are wrong at any time, and in
any place, and for any one.

now, not that i think i have to impose on other's rights to force them to
be "included"; non-mili vanili fans don't have to be dragged against their
will to mili vanili festivals--but openness and toleration are a must. they
are required if we want our society to succeed.

do i think it's "legal?" if it's my property, i should legally be allowed
to do with it what i want. i could exclude men (difficult, i'm one!) or
people who dislike purple (my favorite color) or whatever, but it's my say.
this does not make it morally right to do so; such actions are wrong.

there should be no confusion of legal right to do so and moral right to do
so. i object on moral grounds to most laws correcting some kind of
discrimination--no bureaucrat should tell me what to do with what is mine.
but also on moral grounds, i believe it my responsibility to avoid
discrimination (and other forms of stupidity) and to embarrass or lead
others into proper behavior as well.

whether exlusion is useful or not, or is pleasant or not, are separate
issues from whether it's or right or wrong, legal or illegal. hanging out
with men can be pleasant for men, and the same is true for women with
women. this does not change the morality of exclusion once exclusion comes
into the fray.

finally, if you like mili vanili, i'm sorry! i don't hate them *that*
badly, they just made it into all my examples today....

peace, love, purple, happines, and satisfaction to you all!

tony

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could someone please email me the dates?

st-st-st-st-st-steph

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>>>>>>+ shawn colvin
  tune in to hear shawn colvin live on friday, march 20th from
  7:30am - 1:00pm (est) from sony studios.
  you can only catch it at:
     http://www.shawncolvin.com<<<<<

live? live from where? i was listening to her live on 107 out of baltimore at
8:45am talking about how people in the washington area have always supported
her..then they played acoustic versions of a couple of songs...

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amy writes:
> shut up! all of you, shut up! strange as it sounds, it's none of our
> business to decide where the ig play or if their choices have merit.

sure it's their decision.

but that doesn't mean we shouldn't discuss it here.  i certainly choose
the musicians i listen to for their politics as well as for their lyrics,
music, and personalities.

it's been really informative to hear different peoples' views on
whether playing mwmf is or is not a political action.  as long as it
is, yes we certainly should feel ok talking about it, second-guessing
igs decision, making our own evaluations of what it means to us, etc.

going to *play* at the mwmf after not going for so long is a political
act.  going to just be there would imo be just a personal thing, and
not appropriate for much discussion.


> this is the kind of thread that would give me the creeps if i were
> one of the girls and i caught wind of it.

it's gotta be the other way around: this is exactly the conversation
that they have to know goes on, whether via email or amongst small
groups of ig fans.  they specifically choose to address politics (and
imo, some very important politics) in their songs and in their public
lives.  the fact that their examples can motivate so many of us to
take up these important issues (separatism, and where and whether it's
good) should make them proud, not scared.


> if you're not a woman, you don't have anything to worry about.

that's the whole point of the discussion, isn't it?

i was sad to hear they were going.  it represents support for politics
that i think are harmful.  but i'm also happy that they're
contributing to what has to be a spectacular event for the women who
attend it.

and even though i have been struggling for years with my own
definition of what constitutes "good" use of exclusive
women-only-space, men-only-space, queer-only-space, etc., the
discussion here has triggered many new thoughts for me.

hey, this is the first time i've cared enough about what's been
flowing past on the list to post to it.  (i subscribed a few months
ago.)  i'd definitely say it's igc, even if it might also be material
for talk.politics, and perhaps soc.feminism.  i just hope it only goes
on a few more weeks... :)

jason.
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date:         fri, 20 mar 1998 23:42:04 -0500
reply-to:     melsouth@mindspring.com
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it's been fascinating reading lately, here on the ol ig list. lots of
impassioned, thoughtful, intellectually insightful, occasionally
bombastic, deliciously colorful rhetoric.

whoo-hoo!

i found lisa arthur's post (from her interview with them) about a&e's
personal decision about *why* they're playing at the mwmfest
particularly enlightening. i do hope everyone read that one.

(on the dar list) i saw this quote made by dar williams about her
experience playing there. it emphasizes the whole reason for mwmf --
it's a place for several thousand women, the *vast* majority of whom
*are* lesbians, to simply feel safe and comfortable. which, imho, is a
truly rare and wonderful occasion -- much deserving of celebration.

> moving between two festivals [susie] bright describes as
> "lilith vs. dyke-o-rama" within several days, [dar] williams
> found both congenial. asked if michigan was, in bright's
> technicolor terms, "a babe-o-rama," williams says, "of course!
> it was a babefest, yes. but, and now i don't want to sound all
> idealistic...seeing people being comfortable, that's what's
> really beautiful. it was a babefest in that sense, in the best
> sense of the word."

so... here's to "babefests"!

:o)
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date:         sat, 21 mar 1998 01:50:19 -0000
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i do a newsletter called out loud and i am looking for poems on the girls
or short stories on them to include in my one year special issue. if you
have anything to contribute e-mail me privately. i take quotes and puns as
well. missy

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hi y'all....

count me among those who feel that this is an important discussion, and i'm
glad to see so many articulate and impassioned statements.  the girls have
every right to play this festival without apologies to anyone.  their music
has enriched each and every one of our lives in some way or we wouldn't be
signed up here.  they owe nothing more to anyone, yet they continue to give
more than anyone has a right to expect.  no matter how you feel about the
politics of the festival itself, i think it is a sad mistake for anyone to
feel slighted if amy and emily perform there.

the sad fact is that there is a genuine need for this festival, and the
festival goers have as much right to hear ig music as anyone...

peace and harmony....
tim

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hey folks-

i found this info at:  http://www.chattanooga.gov
(click on: local events)

the indigo girls
            memorial auditorium
            wednesday, april 15 at 8:00 pm
            (opening act tba.) all seats reserved
            at $24.50. tickets go on sale
            saturday, march 21 at memorial
            auditorium box office or charge by
            phone (423) 757-5042.

chattanooga soldiers and sailors memorial auditorium
399 mccallie ave
chattanooga, tn 37402
box office: 423-757-5042

seating in main hall: 3,866 total (2,337 orchestra, 1,166 lower balcony,
331 upper balcony, 32 box).

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>>i   so the tornado that struck gainesville, ga, is that the same gainesville
in soy?  between atlanta and athens, a little to the north?  (yep, i own an
atlas)  any listees there??  everyone okay, doing fine, home intact?  i
hope so!

yes this is the same gainseville..
the damage is quite extensive, and if anyone is interested in contributing to
the relief efforts, please let me know.. my tv station is doing  a lot to help
with the relief, but so is the american red cross. there are some phone
numbers available for those who would like to help in the rebuilding and at
this point the clean up process, so if you live close and have some extra
time.. it would be greatly appreciated.
back to the newsroom for me..

emo

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hey everyone..
i am just going to post this information so that those who would like to help,
can.
you can of course send donations to the arc( american red cross) , the number
is  1-800- help now
the salvation army is also accepting donations 1- 800-257-4273
the salvation army is also looking for people to help volunteer, if you are
local and are interested, that number is 770-534-7589.
also locally we are doing 11 alive cares ( the nbc affiliate in atlanta) in
addition to donating $$  to relief efforts, we are working with area winn
dixie stores to collect non- perishable food items , cleaning supplies,
diapers etc. which will be distributed to tornado victims
so far the store in midtown has collected the most supplies which for those of
you who don't live here means the gay community has really put out the
effort..
anyway.. if you need more specific information you can email me directly or
check out the wxia website which should have the information there.
the web address is www.11alive.com
that's all from here..
have a happy and safe weekend.
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>shaming of the sun has been widely talked about as the indigo girls
>most electric album to date.

i think they're referring to the overall tone of the album.
they may use acoustic as secondary instruments but most songs
use electric as lead...whereas in the past most songs have
used acoustic all around.

"fresh horses and acoustic instruments for my troops!"

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*  / | \  *  rick
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to all people who feel this festival is an abomination of their
rights as humans, citizens, fe/males, whatever ... here's an idea:

make your voice known.  ranting and raving *here* about how much
it pisses you off and how this is an afront to justice and how
upsetting it is to the global harmony ... well it just isn't going
to do your cause any good.  you need to do something visible,
something that will affect change.

go to mwmf and stand outside with signs.  write your congress
representatives.  start up a festival with the same artists and
make it open to both sexes.  print up bumper stickers stating
your cause.  find a college radio station and get some air time.
volunteer your free time to an activist group dedicated to equality.

*do something* rather than just bitching about it.  the people who
have been bitching about it sure seem riled up enough to do something.

-----

now comes the moment of truth ... how much does it offend you?
enough to get off your soap box long enough to actually do something
about it?  or will you finally shut up because you're realizing how
really you're just one of those people who likes to bitch with no
real intent of affecting change?

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re: the recent deal between ticketbastard and usa network...

usa networks will buy ticketmaster for $400 million. they won
the right to purchase the company by waiting in line all day,
getting a bracelet, paying a service fee of 10% of the purchase
price, then getting a seat on the corporate board where they
can't really see anything.

;)
maureen

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subject:      ig: want tix to boston ig reception on 5/9?
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hey y'all!

        you hear it first here, by being on an ig elist - wand is holding
a reception to honor indigo girls and winona laduke in boston on may
9...tix are $25 for students and $50 for nonstudents...i am selling tix
and am turning to y'all first to see who all would like a ticket...please
let me know by private email at kshucks@juno.com if you are simply
interested (and the number of tix you are possibly looking at) and i will
follow up with a much longer email that details prices, the event, and
other pertinent stuff <smile>...i will post again a little later to make
sure i don't miss anyone <smile>...thanks and take care, @=d jen

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the fan club is sending out postcards with the new tour dates, and i got mine
yesterday.    they have all of the dates i posted yesterday, along with the ig
lilith fair portion of the tour listed as follows:

6/19 - portland, or
6/20 & 6/21 - george, wa
6/23 & 6/24 - san francisco, ca
6/26 - san diego, ca
6/27 - los angeles, ca
6/28 - phoenix, az
6/29 - albuquerque, nm *or* sante fe, nm
7/1 - tulsa, ok *or* oklahoma city, ok
7/2 - bonner springs, ks
7/3 - indianapolis, in
7/5 - columbus, oh
7/6 & 7/7 - detroit, mi
7/8 - tba
7/10 - tba (possibly boston)
7/11 - tba (possibly philadelphia)
7/13 - holmdel, nj
7/15 & 7/16 - new york, ny
7/17 & 7/18 - camden, nj
7/19 - columbia, md
7/21 - va beach, va

so, it looks like they are definitely doing more than the west coast portion
of lilith, like was originally said =)

that's it!   i don't have any more details than this - i'm just typing this
from the card - so there could be errors/changes.  don't blame me =)

lisa

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in a message dated 98-03-20 23:47:04 est, melsouth@mindspring.com writes:

<< [susie] bright describes as
> "lilith vs. dyke-o-rama" >>

this was a hilarious article on women's festivals for anybody who's interested

bonnie

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k dudes....i feel like an idiot -- i just tried to get tickets to the
carlisle show and i uhhhhhh...called a days inn.  blah.
can someone furnish my idiotic ass with the right number to da' record
store in pennsylvania?!  i know barb and twink mentioned a change in the
number a while back -- since i wasn't *going* then i paid no attention.
thanks so much. :)

bethany :)

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i agree with rick that maybe people could try a little more action and a
little less arguing.  but i want to make some other suggestions in
addition to the protest and picketing ideas.

rather than telling women how they should or shouldn't feel or where they
are and aren't 'safe,' why not take a proactive stand and try to work to
change things?  volunteers are always needed for security/night escort
programs, rape awareness seminars, fundraising for women's shelters,
domestic abuse awareness, hate crime awareness, etc.  also, it would be
great if more progressive men volunteered to work with kids at shelters,
preschools, daycares and kindergartens.  many, many kids are in need of
positive male role modeling in their every day lives and schools are
always in need of volunteers. i guess this is one of those "if you're not
part of the solution, you're part of the problem" messages.

-garian

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im part of the solutiion having logged over 100 hours of volunteer time in
3 months at the womans shelter some women wont let you be part of the
solution just as some men wont


on sat, 21 mar 1998, garian arleta vigil wrote:

> i agree with rick that maybe people could try a little more action and a
> little less arguing.  but i want to make some other suggestions in
> addition to the protest and picketing ideas.
>
> rather than telling women how they should or shouldn't feel or where they
> are and aren't 'safe,' why not take a proactive stand and try to work to
> change things?  volunteers are always needed for security/night escort
> programs, rape awareness seminars, fundraising for women's shelters,
> domestic abuse awareness, hate crime awareness, etc.  also, it would be
> great if more progressive men volunteered to work with kids at shelters,
> preschools, daycares and kindergartens.  many, many kids are in need of
> positive male role modeling in their every day lives and schools are
> always in need of volunteers. i guess this is one of those "if you're not
> part of the solution, you're part of the problem" messages.
>
> -garian
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can you all please take this no men concert thingy to private email??? it is
buggin' the friggin' hell outa me and a whole ton of other listees as well! it
was ok in the beginning but now it's just getting rediculous(sp?)! if womyn
want to have a festival with only womyn... let them!!! and as for the spelling
of women/womyn... people spell things diferent ways and however they choose to
spell it is their own damn business! people are just getting creative!
personally, i don't think it has anything to do with not wanting "men" in
their gender name. for god's sake people! we are all human!!! and womyn, think
about this... if there were no men in this world, we wouldn't be here! so can
we all please drop this nmwf thing right now?????? and can we please get some
indigo content on this ahem, "indigo girls mailing list"?
~alyssa
(sorry to be a bitch about this but someone needs to get some sense into
people and it might as well be me)

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subject:      re: stuff...hkf, comparisons, etc
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i had also noticed the cornet on hkf, beigh the cool trombonist that i am
(just like carol).  at first i thought that it was a bit bad, but i think
that he might have been trying for that effect, but not doing it well.
you know, like the fake verbrato that some people have?  same kind of
deal.  but yeah, the tome is not great at all, so maybe he is just bad.
hey, i have a suggestion...how about *i* play it on my trombone
instead...it sounds like it'd be in my range, and we could fix the key!
:)  just a thought...

carolyn
%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*&%*
how can you tell which child on the playground is the kid of a
trombonist?

he doesn't know how to use the slide and he can't swing! :)

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i am tired of hearing about the womans festival. let's talk about something
else. what do people think of the ellen show being cancelled. you can
privately e-mail your answers or post them to the list. missy

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reply-to:     gi troop <gitroop@aol.com>
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ok guys and gals, just got some mail from russell carter, and here are all of
the upcoming dates, cause i know there are some other lazy folks out there
(like me) who dont like to take the time to go to all these web sites and look
them up, so enjoy!
i am just gonna list the dates and the city.  if anyone needs to know exactly
where in the city, just email me at gi troop@aol.com

ig spring 98, (colleges, festivals, high schools)
4-13    h.s in the southeast
4-14    gainsville, fl
4-16    chattanooga, tn
4-18    starkville, ms
4-19    fayetteville, ar
4-21    lexington, ky
4-23    dallas, tx
4-24    hanover, nh
4-25    new haven, ct
4-26    carlisle, pa
4-27    new york, ny
4-29    chapel hill, nc
4-30    knoxville, tn
5-1      atlanta, ga
5-3      nashville, tn
may 4,5,6,7,8    various high schools in south east

ok, here are the ig lilith fair dates:
6-19  portland, or
6-20  george, wa
6-21  george, wa
6-23  san fran, ca
6-24  san fran, ca
6-26  san dieo, ca
6-27  los angeles, ca
6-28  phoenix, as
6-29  albuquerque or santa fe, nm
7-1  tulsa or oklahoma city, ok
7-2  bonner springs, ks
7-3  indianapolis, in
7-5  columbus, oh
7-6  detroit, mi
7-7  detroit, mi
7-8  tba
7-10  tba (possibly boston)
7-11 tba (poss. philadelphia)
7-13  holmdel, nj
7-15  new york, ny
7-16  new york, ny
7-17  camden, nj
7-18, same
7-19  columbia, md
7-21  virginia beach, va

whew!  that took some time.  well damn, i sure do hope they find some time to
come see the southern states with lilith!  :(         take care all, erin

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one of the menfolk wrote:
>...i think i'd commit hari cari (sp?)

--ever seen _harold and maude_?  hee.  rent it and see what i'm laughing
about ;)

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hi y'all.....

msinghaus@msmisp.com wrote:

<< let's talk about something else. what do people think of the ellen show
being cancelled >>

i generally prefer listening to music or reading to watching commercial
television, and am not much of a fan of situation comedies as a genre, but i
made it a point to watch "ellen" whenever my schedule permitted.  i'm really
not surprised at the cancellation because most shows i like tend to get axed
eventually, but i am disappointed...

maybe the network had to give away too many toaster ovens.....

seriously, it's a damn shame....

peace and harmony...
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at 01:33 pm 3/21/98 est, alyssa at crz4indigo@aol.com wrote:
>can you all please take this no men concert thingy to private email??? it is
>buggin' the friggin' hell outa me and a whole ton of other listees as
well! it
>was ok in the beginning but now it's just getting rediculous(sp?)!

as well as...

>so can we all please drop this nmwf thing right now?????? and can we
>please get some indigo content on this ahem, "indigo girls mailing list"?

a prof of mine used to say, "if you're comfortable, wake up!!!" from that i
developed my own little life "rule", "be conscious of being conscious."

i'm really sorry to hear that so many folks are being bugged by this topic.
as someone who has been on the ig mailing list for i think five years, i
can say with certainty that for me, this discussion has been one of the
most interesting topics this list has seen in some time. it is also one of
the most ig related topics we have seen in some time. yes, as others have
said, ig made the choice to play michigan and that was their choice to
make. but we as individuals, and also as consumers, _do_ have the choice
and, i believe, the _obligation_ to decide for ourselves whether that
decision has merit and whether it fits in with the set of morals and values
and principles that we as individuals have decided govern our lives. if one
doesn't do that, don't you end up surrounding yourself in boundary-less muck?

let me put it this way, if ig decided it was in their best interest to
align themselves in a very prominent way with a corporate sponsor that
pushed a product such as cigerattes or alcohol, would we just look the
other way at that? how about aligning themselves with more right-wing
political causes? what would many say to that? sure it would be their call
to make, as it is the newts and pats and rev what's-his-name in kansas
choices to be weenies, but that doesn't mean we as individuals need to
support it/them. sure, some will argue that the michigan show is just one
show, but think about the "just one" argument in other contexts and you'll
see how dangerous that line of thinking can be.

what i'm getting out of this discussion is that individuals are examining
the decision to play michigan and instead of just accepting the decision at
face value, they are going, "what a minute, something is up here that
doesn't sit right with me." in my own life, that's being conscious of being
conscious. for this list, where i have seen many follow a&e's lead without
thought, i feel it's a very good thing.

i take numerous messages out of ig music. there are days i simply listen to
escape. on my numerous drives from milwaukee to southern indiana to visit
my honey, songs like soy and ctf enable me to be-bop (as best as one is
able to be-bop to ig tunes) down i-65 and the miles just fly by. other days
i hear a line such as, "everywhere i turn all the beauty just keep shaking
me," and i'm forced to stop in my tracks. ig's music to me is all about
being aware and being true. in my world, that doesn't fit with playing a
fest like michigan.

deb

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hey all...

ok so in my boredom today i was surfing the net for tape trading sites and of
course i couldnt find anything other than dave matthews band, phish and dead
sites (not that there is anything wrong with that)   anyways.  i was realizing
how much i miss the ig bootlegs page,  so i am willing to start a new one, if
anybody is interested.      i know the old link was disabled due to the talk
in congress about a crackdown on bootlegs etc but i am willing to do it
anyways and just see what happens.      so um...if you are interested lemme
know, and i think one of the rules last time was you have to be willing to dub
for newbies so i guess that will still apply, and just email me with a few
comments about your site, the url for your list , or how to get ahold of your
list : )

peace
sasha

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> i am tired of hearing about the womans festival. let's talk about something
> else. what do people think of the ellen show being cancelled. you can
> privately e-mail your answers or post them to the list. missy

   i think the festival is definitely a good subject---we're definitely
learning more about ourselves and each other, which sure beats the "what's
in your cd player" thread, but it is being beaten into the ground.
   has ellen been cancelled?  last time i checked, it was only on a 6 week
hiatus, possibly to be cancelled.
   well, if it has, i will be somewhat disappointed.  it was a funny show,
and certain episodes really had a lot of impact.  however, it's hard to
blame abc for cancelling it---when they let ellen do the "coming out"
episode, she told them nothing would really change except her character's
coming to terms with her sexuality.  watching it with friends (who happen
to be much more conservative) i found myself the only person
laughing---and then i realized that the show had become centered around
ellen's sexuality, with nothing else.  the jokes were all inside ones,
that i understood because i have gay friends.  not that there's anything
wrong with that, but abc is in business for money.  hard fact of life.  if
your ratings are lousy because you only cater to a minority of the
population, they're not going to keep you around.
   two guys, a girl, and a pizza place got pretty good ratings, and i will
admit that it was pretty funny---so i think that ellen is probably going
to be dropped.  if anybody finds out anything, let the list know!

   darius

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it was posted:

>and whats the point of the whole thing anyway? i've heard lots of
people
>talking about how women can for one night feel "safe". what the hell is
>that supposed to mean? somebody let me in please if you have an answer.
>do all you women always feel "unsafe" at indigo girls concert where men
>are? are men monsters that you have to run away from. if you think
this,
>its very sad and you are unfortunately messed up in the head. a person
is
>a person and every person is very different from every other person and
>it doesn't have anything to do with gender.

actually, it does.  men and women are socialized to behave very
differently.  while psychological reasearch has shown that actual gender
differences are rather small, in the "real world", these differences are
magnified, thanks to the help of sex-role and gender expectations, and
status hierarchies between the sexes.  as both part and parcel of this,
men and women are often unlike each other--- studies have shown that, in
mixed-sex groups or pairs, men tend to dominate conversation, talking
more than the women, interrupting or ignoring women, and failing to pick
up conversation topics raised by women (eakins & eakins, 1978; krupnick,
1985; lockheed & hall, 1976; spender, 1980).  women speak and act more
tentatively in such groups (carli, 1990).

     you ask if women feel afraid of men, and if so, why.  there is more
male than female aggression, both physical and verbal (macoby & jacklin,
1974); males are also usually bigger than women.  purely biologically
thinking, women are at a physical disadvantage to men.  do women have a
right to be afraid of suffering violence at the hands of a man?  i think
so.  after looking at studies of 186 societies, it was found that those
in which rape was prevalent were characterized by interpersonal
violence, male dominance (to be discussed more), and separation of the
sexes [sounds like the u.s., no?], while relatively rape-free societies
were ones wherein males and females were equally valued [not in our
society] (sanday, 1981).  note that this does not explain rape and
violence by saying "men are inherently bad", but rather that society is
to blame.

     socially speaking, women are at a much lower axis of power than
men-- our society is very male-centered, being founded by a bunch of
straight white guys and evermore perpetuated.  this means that males
have (more) power, whereas women have relatively little power.  this
gives males more status than females.  you yourself know this-- think
about which characteristics are socially valued...  assertion,
competitiveness, strength, logical thinking, achievement-orientatedness,
ambition, instrumentality.  these are all characteristics
stereotypically associated with men (although women have them too.. but
that is not the stereotype.  you all know the stereotypes of women--
silly, weak, emotional, etc.  pure bunk, yeah.).  in situations or
societies where such a social hierarchy exists, the people at the lower
levels of the hierarchy (in this example, women) engage in submissive
behavior:  making self-effacing comments, hedging, second-guessing
themselves, carrying themselves tensely and symmetrical so as not to
arouse any attention, spending time monitoring the dominant ones
(erickson, lund, johnson, & o'barr, 1978; henley, 1973, 77), while men
engage in more expansive behavior (henley, 1973, 77).  so, i guess it's
not so much a matter of *gender* as it is a matter of *status*.  women
are specifically attuned to men's nonverbal behavior, and react
accordingly (self-fulfilling prophecy!) because women are so frequently
subordinate in status to men (weitz, 1976).

i would like to propose that this is the basis behind the idea of the
mwmf:  men are excluded because the organizers (and the women too) would
like to experience a little microcosm wherein there are *no*
hierarchies, no need to depreciate oneself, to feel like one must be on
guard and in tune to how they are acting around their 'superiors', and
how said superiors are monitoring them.  a place where there is no
threat of rape or of being commodified (i.e. treated like a usda prime
cut, which men are socialized to do... men aren't *born* like that).
this idea is simply a matter of switching the "blame"-- off of men for
simply being men (which is unfair), and on to societally-imposed and
nearly inescapable social roles and status.

i am not a man-hater.  while i have experienced some bad things at the
hands (and minds) of men, as many women have, i do not project this onto
*all* men, and neither do most women (i hope).  actually, just listening
to the hearts and minds of the men on this list really make me feel good
to know that there are such wonderful men out there who actively fly in
the face of gender roles are are (for lack of a better word)
"sensitive".  that being said, i still am glad that way back before i
was born, a group of women came up with the idea to have a weeklong
celebration of women-- their music, their spirituality, their gifts and
talents, their minds.  i think that women (amy and emily included) are
allowed to appreciate and take part in this without feeling as if
they're hurting men.  that was not why mwmf was began; we don't want to
insult you, guys.  we just want to celebrate ourselves.
jill
(who just had a psychology of gender midterm, which would explain the
technicality of this post)

p.s.
now rethink what you were wondering about...  did i help explain stuff
for you?...

>as for the argument that mean are louder and disruptive, thats also
>preposterous.

>as for being able to wear something skimpy without a man staring,
>first of all, so what?

>there is no common connection between all men or women that is
>significant enough to justify any discrimination of this kind.


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ben said:

>...didn't women used to complain about all male
>country clubs and organizations. now you founded one........it's a
>little thing called hypocricy.ben

yes, but realize that the women here, *on this list*, who are hashing
this out and supporting this festival are not the selfsame women who
were complaining waaaay back when.  we are not all one huge honogeneous
comglomorate.  if you commodify all women, you will not see any one
individual's point of view.
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i rather discuss the people who have wrote poems about them. have a
discussion on poems then her one more thing about the womans festival in
mi.missy

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a listee predicted:

>(altho, as deb said, if amy strolls
>around in nothing but leather chaps i will kick myself for several
months at
>least)...

don't worry, chickies.  i'll be there.  with a camera.  betcha.  hee.
jill

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i got all this information from a postcard i received from the fan club today.
i don't know if these dates are posted anywhere on the web.

regular tour dates
4/13 high school in southeast
4/14 gainesville, fl univ. of fla
4/16 chatanooga, tn
4/17 memphis, tn - univ. of memphis
4/18 starkville, ms - ms state
4/19 fayetteville, ar - univ of ar
4/21 lexington, ky - univ. of ky
4/23 dallas, tx - voters for choice benefit
4/24 hanover, nh - dartmouth
4/25 new haven, ct - yale
4/26 carlisle, pa - dickinson college
4/27 new york, ny - virginia slam benefit
4/29 chapel hill, nc - unc
4/30 knoxville, tn
5/01 atlanta, ga - midtown music fest
5/03 nashville, tn - river stages
5/04 high school in the southeast
5/05 high school in the southeast
5/06 high school in the southeast
5/07 high school in the southeast
5/08 high school in the southeast

lilith fair dates
6/19 portland, or - meadows
6/20 george, wa - the gorge
6/21 george, wa - the gorge
6/23 san francisco, ca - shoreline amphitheater
6/24 san francisco, ca - shoreline amphitheater
6/26 san diego, ca - del mar fairgrounds
6/27 los angeles, ca - rose bowl
6/28 phoenix, az - desert sky
6/29 albuquerque or santa fe
7/01 tulsa or oklahoma city - mohawk or all sports
7/02 bonner springs, ks - sandstone amphitheater
7/03 indianapolis, in - deer creek
7/05 columbus, oh - polaris amphitheater
7/06 detroit, mi - pine knob
7/07 detroit, mi - pine knob
7/08 tba
7/10 tba (possible boston)
7/11 tba (possible philadelphia)
7/13 holmdel, nj - pnc bank arts center
7/15 new york, ny - jones beach
7/16 new york, ny - jones beach
7/17 camden, nj - entertainment center
7/18 camden, nj - entertainment center
7/19 columbia, md - merriweather post
7/21 virginia beach - va beach amphitheater

peace, harmony and indigo,

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at 05:37 pm 3/21/98 -0000, missy wrote:
>i rather discuss the people who have wrote poems about them. have a
>discussion on poems then her one more thing about the womans festival in
>mi.missy
>

yeah! let's talk about poetry!! i suggest we all sit down and write a poem
or two about amy and emily, post them to the list, and have list members
dissect them, criticize them, and laugh at them till they reach perfection.
then we can get someone to take votes on who wrote the best ig poems (i'll
volunteer for that.) after everyone has voted, we should take the top 10
poems, get someone to write them out really nicely in caligraphy or
something, and send them to amy and emily as a sign of our appreciation that
they chose to play at a festival that excludes men. if you like my idea,
please email me privately and we'll get it going. if you don't like my idea,
please flame me publicly. thanks! happy writing everyone!

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hello to all in ig land!

sorry for the nigc.

my partner and i are now seriously considering moving to atlanta in aug/sept
make fresh starts with career and school and i am wondering if anyone who
lives in atlanta or the atlanta area could help me out with info on some
basics
like  good/bad areas to live (non-gay friendly), any realtors or complexes or
areas that are gay friendly/owned or have a lot of family living around (i
know
that peidmont park, little five pts. are pretty cool, but also expensive), and
that are not too expensive  (less than $600/mo).

we are planning to drive down and spend 3 nights in atlanta for pride weekend
and hope to do some apt. and job hunting during our stay, cause 20hr drives
are not very fun, and hotels are pretty pricey, not to mention time off from
work
is difficult to get.  to top it all off we are having our committment ceremony
on
aug 1st and going to the nff for our honeymoon, which is costing a bundle (if
we only decided to move to atlanta earlier, we could have moved the date of
our ceremony up a few months.)

i really appreciate your help.  thanks a lot!

take care and peace!

-deb

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i've been reading all the messages about quitting this no men - michigan
festival thread.....and it got me to thinking......

a few days ago i posted something that asked if it was really that big a
deal??........from my point of view, if a group of women want's to organise
an event for women, that's their choice...and that goes for those that
decide to attend/perform at that event too! personally, however, i have
always seen moves to seperatism by women  as a negative move, as if feels a
little too hypocritical to me.

however.....i' ve been reading all the "shut up about this thread" posts
and it made me start to think about this in whole new way....

one group wants to talk about and express their ideas on a particular
topic.............
(and, i must say i've been enjoying the quality and honesty of many
people's responses to this is).......whilst another group is trying to stop
this discussion, saying it's boring, or using up too much bandwidth or
something.....( that "shutup shutup shutup" post was just toooo much!)

in this little microcosm of the world.....our ig mailing list......one
group is trying to stop the other group from expressing thoughts, feelings
and ideas.........and the other group is being forced to listen to thoughts
feelings and ideas that are not important, interesting or pertinent to
them.

maybe this is why we need a little seperatism sometimes........

just a thought!

jo

maybe this is why we still need event

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date:         sat, 21 mar 1998 18:11:48 -0000
reply-to:     melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
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i forwarded my poems to the list that i already. i will write more to add
to the discussion later when i think of some. missy

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> from: melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netscape.com
> subject: fw: hi!
> date: saturday, march 21, 1998 6:07 pm
>
>
>
> ----------
> > from: melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
> > to: joanie1@ufl.edu
> > subject: hi!
> > date: saturday, march 21, 1998 6:06 pm
> >
> > i love your idea. my poems about the girls have already been on the
list,
> > but i will forward them again to the list. i do not change my poems,
but
> > rather write new ones when someone approaches me with a new approach.
> missy
> >

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> from: melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netscape.com
> subject: fw: fw: some indigo girl poems
> date: saturday, march 21, 1998 6:09 pm
>
>
>
> ----------
> > from: junebug@aeneas.net
> > to: melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
> > subject: re: fw: some indigo girl poems
> > date: saturday, february 14, 1998 8:56 pm
> >
> > here are your "poems", missy.  i have a tip for you:
> > learn how to spell amy & emily's names correctly!
> > (it really might help....)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > at 06:57 pm 2/10/98 -0000, you wrote:
> > >----------
> > >> from: melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
> > >> to: cml@mindspring.com
> > >> subject: some indigo girl poems
> > >> date: tuesday, february 10, 1998 6:54 pm
> > >>
> > >>   up close
> > >>
> > >> you could see her face,
> > >> her smile brightened up my day.
> > >> she walked with great poise
> > >> that showed she was having fun.
> > >>
> > >>     behind the stage
> > >>
> > >> standing there in the crowd
> > >> i couldn't help but notice
> > >> this wonderful creature behind the stage
> > >> little did i know she would walk later in front of me.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>                meet
> > >>
> > >> right in front of me amy raye walked
> > >> wished i would have said hello
> > >> all i did was smile at her
> > >> and she smiled back at me.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>            broken strings
> > >>
> > >> amy plays with such poise,
> > >> that her strings never seem to stay in tac.
> > >> oh, well that is the price of some great
> > >> talent.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> the above were all about amy raye. the next set are about emiley
> saliors.
> > >>
> > >>   humor
> > >>
> > >> great sense of humor
> > >> and laughter about.
> > >> you could never leave
> > >> without a smile.
> > >>
> > >>      love
> > >>
> > >> friendly loving is her nature
> > >> caring is what she does.
> > >> putting sound behind her beauty,
> > >> is what we love to hear.
> > >>
> > >> the following are about the indigo girls together.
> > >>
> > >>    sound
> > >>
> > >> hear their wonderful sound
> > >> on the radio,
> > >> in the car,
> > >> on tv,
> > >> or in person.
> > >> wherever we listen
> > >> we hear the wonderful sound.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>        southern
> > >>
> > >> to chicks from georgia,
> > >> made us laugh,
> > >> made us cry,
> > >> and brought us together.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> melissa sue singhaus
> > >>
> > >> i would love to hear other peoples poems on these girls rather on
the
> > >list
> > >> or in my personal box. i plan to gather poems about these girls,
k.d.
> > >lang
> > >> or melissa etheridge for my one year specilal issue of out loud due
> out
> > >in
> > >> october. i can share my melissa poems on the list let me know if
> anyone
> > >> wants to hear them. i only have one on k.d. and i am sharing it with
> you
> > >> now. this one appeaars in into the unknown anothogy book that the
> > >national
> > >> library of poetry does. i would like feed back on my poems. rather
you
> > >> liked them or not. i can take critism.
> > >>
> > >>    singer
> > >> (k.d.lang)
> > >>
> > >>   since the first time i saw her
> > >> i loved her style, her sense of oneness,
> > >> and her sense of creativity.
> > >> as time goes by i look at her as a person.
> > >> someone i can look up to.
> > >>   i find her a positive role model for both
> > >> straights and gays.
> > >> what she sings about has a positive message on us all.
> > >> we have to be willing to listen.
> > >> if we don't we judge for the wrong reasons.
> > >>    i don't care what people say about her as long
> > >> as they know i love her.
> > >> she is my pop icon and i will always look up to her.
> > >>
> > >> melissa sue singhaus
> > >>
> > >> well i hope you guys enjoyed these poems.i enjoyed writing them on
my
> > >post.
> > >> i love poetry. there seems to be the best way to express ones feels
> about
> > >> everything that they do. missy
> > >>
> > >
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date:         sat, 21 mar 1998 19:14:36 -0400
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>
>hi everyone!!!
>
>just like my idol greg flamer, i just *had* to resub to see what al the
>hullabaloo is about with respect to the mwmf and to re-announce (for the last
>time i promise) that i have a little list of folks who are planning on going
>and i can put you on it if you want.
>
>reading back over the posts of the last week or so, i have to agree with deb,
>this is a great discussion and one of the reasons why i subbed to this list
>four years ago (and unsubbed when such great discussions stopped happening).
>eevn thos it seems like consensus (if that;s even releavant) seems to be
>*against* the festival and i happen to eb for the festival, i have a lot ot
>think about with respect to the whole issues after reading the posts of
>thoughtful, intelligent people on this list.
>
>i have given years, years, years of thought to the position i take on
>separatism,reasons for which were wonderfully articulated by jill certo so i
>won't repeat her,  and it isn't going to change anytime soon i don't think,
>but i do appreciate that even when we disagree, we can still agree (i hope)
>that ultimately, the choice is emily and amy's to make. and i don't think it's
>necessary to base the argument for separatism on the approach of some people
>who write things like "what are all you chicks scared of anyways?". separatism
>isn't just about fear.
>
>deb also wrote:
>
>>what i'm getting out of this discussion is that individuals are examining
>>the decision to play michigan and instead of just accepting the decision at
>>face value, they are going, "what a minute, something is up here that
>>doesn't sit right with me." in my own life, that's being conscious of being
>>conscious. for this list, where i have seen many follow a&e's lead without
>>thought, i feel it's a very good thing.
>
>***in response to that....i have to say that my respect, and my loyalty, to
>amy and emily increased ten thousand fold this year when they decided to play
>at this year's fest. so, just as it has given some people pause, it gave me
>pause for years that they  _refused_ to play, and it didn't sit right with
>those of us who support separatism.
>
>but again, the bottom line is, respect and thought and truggling with ideas,
>which is always hard but always worth it.
>
i shut up now, if you wanna be on the mwmf list for getting together this
summer, email me.

>love,
>
>susie b. marine

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anyone know if amy and emily are going to perform at the cultural events
of the gay games in amsterdam (august)? it is going to be very very big.

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on sunday, march 22, 1998 8:05 am  joanna wrote


> in this little microcosm of the world.....our ig mailing list......one
> group is trying to stop the other group from expressing thoughts,
feelings
> and ideas.........and the other group is being forced to listen to
thoughts
> feelings and ideas that are not important, interesting or pertinent to
> them.

but they really aren't being forced to read the posts. they have a choice
to either read them or, delete them. personally, like a lot of other folks
on the list, i would much rather read this than a lot of the inane posts
that i choose to just delete. just my .02 cents.

peace,
susan

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date:         sat, 21 mar 1998 16:47:30 pst
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will someone please post any information about the virginia slam
tickets-- where, when, how much, yadda yadda yadda.  or email me
privately if this has already been posted and i'm just a
previously-temporarily-unsubscribed-dumbass-without-a-clue.
thanks, kind friends.
jill
p.s. anyone out there in nyc?  i might be comin' up for a visit and
wouldn't mind hanging wit'cha'.:)

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gotta chime in as you who know me knew i would( even tho i said i
wouldn't)
when we we having that thread about "isn't amy a goddess" and "how dare
they drive that kinda car"...and some of us said , in our royal
pompousnessness"stop this insanity" , the post came back, and not to
nicely  as i recall saying.."shut the  f*^k up and just delete it if you
don't want to read it" ( or at least that was one if the charming
private posts i got read..)..
good advice then..good advice now..
i love this thread..its been thought provoking, stimulating, provacative
and actually made us really identify ourselves as thinking intellectual
people willing to form an opinion and express it rather than posting a
"me too"..i have learned more about people who have been on this list
for years in one single thread than i had in years and years and
years..and some of them i disagree with so strongly i wanna smack 'em (
not really) and some of them that i thought were total idiots i want to
beg their forgiveness and ask them to join me in a cup of starbucks (
and you know thats not a little thing)..
if you don't like the topic, delete it..this too shall pass and we'll
get onto more important things..such as...if amy were a bird..what truly
makes her fly..or some such..
let the games continue....

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stop it, just shut up, just shut up, all y'all!!!  tee hee, joking,
guys, just joking.

darn cool pooh commented:
>..this too shall pass and we'll get onto more important things..
>such as...
>if amy were a bird..what truly makes her fly..

what makes her fly?
sheer lesbian energy.  pride, baby.  heh.

why does she fly?
the scenery's so much nicer than "all the carnage of [her] journeys" on
the highway.  ick.

who inspires her to fly?
aw, come on...
...the chickenman, of course! har dee har har

okay, i'll get off yer screens...
jill

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hey--
i was digging through the $1 cd racks in the record store, and i came
across 2 of peta's "tame yourself" compilations (which includes "i'll give
you my skin", by amy, emily, and michael stipe), so since they were only a
dollar i snagged them.  i couldn't bear to allow them to remain lost in the
record store's reject pile when there are people on the list who may want
them.  so, i have one tape and one cd to offer y'all.  let me know if
you're interested!
leslie

+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+
beautiful, inspirational, and/or story-of-my-life
emily saliers line of the week:

"not content to bow and bend to the whims of culture that swoop like
vultures, eating us away to our extinction"
#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#+#

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there hasn't been much mention of the tornado which struck "up in gainesville
town" here on the list.  for all of you who have people in that area, and any
of you who might be in that area yourselves, you've got my prayers.

13 dead, 101 injured.  so far.  let's get our world back into perspective,
folks... 13 dead... 13 people who don't give a rat's ass whether mwmf ever
admits men....  13 people who will never have the opportunity to worry about
the next time the girls put out an album... or whether or not the sun shines
or the rain falls.  13 people who are lost to their mothers, fathers,
siblings, and children.  13 people who will never laugh again.

think about it, folks.

peace, harmony & indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
   -   novitiate of suzanneglassism
     - president, grlchasr26 fan club
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can you show me now that i will not be killed in vain,
show me just a little of your omnipresent brain!
show me there's a reason for your wanting me to die,
you're far too keen on where and how and not so hot on why!
-amy as jesus, "the garden of gethsemane"
from jesus christ super-star: a resurrection
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hey y'all,

mesa az (8/26/96)...shot from the audience,  good quality.  i'm pretty sure
i'll get inundated with requests for it so i want to set up a tree. if you
have the capability/time to dub videos for people and would like to be a
branch for this please e-mail me. regular boot trading rules apply here
kids...blank videotape & postage or branches may request a trade but cannot
require one (don't know what the audio boot to video boot trade ratio is
though...anyone have a clue?)  i've only got a ntsc standard copy so if
there is anyone out there with the ability to convert to pal format for ig
fans overseas, i'd appreciate the help.  if you'd like more detailed info
about the video (setlist etc.) e-mail me privately and i'll try to answer
your questions.  i also have a video tape of ig at west palm beach, fl
(5/8/91)...not as good as the az vid but still very watchable...looking for
branches for that as well.

peace,
karen

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hey,

i offered up the on the road to austin videotape about a month back and was
swamped with requests so i started putting people on a waiting list of
sorts.  i've since
lost that list (sorry) so if you contacted me before and still want the
video, please e-mail me again.

karen

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according to the www.abc.com site ellen hasn't been cancelled.
it was taken off the air for six weeks but will return.


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okay, first off -- *i* like it spelled 'womyn' because it gets rid of
the primary lingering symbol of women as a gender being second-only-to
or a-part-of men as a gender.  it stems right from eve coming from
adam's rib and has turned into the word 'women' only being an offshoot
of the word 'men', not a different, equal entity.

second -- geez, where should i start?  mostly everything has been said ,
so i can just reiterate what jill and tim and dan and a bunch of others
have said -- there's a social need for this type of thing.  and if the
men wanted to have one, i would be all for it.  trust me.  i go to an
all-girls school in tacoma, washington and have been through all the
fights about gender-equality.  this school, annie wright, was founded by
a man 114 years ago to specifically give his young women the opportunity
to grow in an all-women's environment.  now, of course, it's no
specifically all womens -- there are male teachers and male ra's and
whatnot and the lower and middle schools are coed -- but the aura or
attitude or whatever-you-wanna-call-it of the upper school is very
feminie and feminist.  (although half the people there would never admit
that they are feminists, but that's a different story altogether.)  i
will never know, i suppose, but in my humble and very educated (i'm
about to graduate) opinion having only girls around during classes has
helped me a ton.  it's a studied and proven fact that boys dominate in
the classroom.

there is a point to these institutions and these festivals -- a place to
grow unthreatened.

and before someone pounces about the citadel -- the only reason i
approve of that integration is because there is no equal all-women's
military school for those students to attend.  if there were, they'd
probably be there in a second.

thanks for listening and keeping the discussion open and intelligent
(for the most part)

jennyrose

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date:         sat, 21 mar 1998 19:07:25 -0800
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hi list,

i see from a couple of posts about lilith fair that ig will be part of
lilith at the gorge.  i wonder what y'all can tell me about this venue, and
about the possibility of hotels within walking distance of the place??
where is george, wa in relation to say, seattle?

thanks!
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date:         sat, 21 mar 1998 22:27:55 -0600
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the theory that bothers me most is that women need to find a safe place
to be themselves away from men who will rape them and abuse them and
seek out the more vunerable ones, use them and throw them away..what we
all need to remember is...

         women also rape women

where do those victims go to feel safe..?

either we all work together to find a way for all people to feel safe
rather than seperating ourselves or we may as well throw in the towel

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