lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-05a

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 00:17:07 -0500
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> who was it, after all, that
> said that pennsylvania is "pittsburgh on the west, philadelphia on the
> east, and alabama in the middle"?
>

i have no clue who said it, and i can't say that i disagree entirely
with the statement, but the idea that big cities foster and encourage
the idea of multi-culturalism and diversity is a very broad
generalization....
and that goes for anyone defending a big city......

philadelphia is full of racial tension, and pittsburgh is comprised of
many, many, many conservative, pro-life, pro-"family" (read: rick
santorum) individuals because of the long standing roots and tradition.
i mean, people who live in pittsburgh have always lived in pittsburgh...
(another broad generalization, i know, but one of humor...) they may
embrace homosexuality a little more readily in a big city, but racism is
a major problem.....(ie, philly, chicago, nyc) being from the "alabama"
part of pa myself, i can honestly say that people are a little more
conservative, but if you want to see multi-cultural acceptance, there is
a little bohemian town smack dab in the heart of pa called state
college.

i suggest visiting there sometime......
you'd be amazed at how cultural a bunch of "alabama" type people can be.

and what does that mean, anyway, "alabama?"

slanderous remarks in regard to geographic location are almost as
ignorant as slamming someone because they are a different race or
religion or sexual orientation. people from the south aren't dumb,
people from the north aren't all a bunch of fast talking city slickers,
and people from california aren't all surfers...

however, people from seattle are definitely rained upon....

right bonster?

:)
karrie

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-eric cartman, epitome of children

i am new to the list, so this is the first time i am ever writing, lets see if
i even did it right!! ; )
     i have often heard a lot of people say they didn't care if people were
gay as long as they didn't see it.  i am bisexual, and i have this one friend
who acts so repulsed by homosexuality that i would never even think to tell
her...  some people really feel that way...  i saw a great quote the other
day...  ""i don't mind straight people as long as they act gay in public."  i
thought that was great and very appropriate! : )
    as for the pda thing, i don't wanna see two people (straight or gay)
getting on, but, call it voyeurism or whatever, i love to see things like
holding hands and kissing and rubbing each others backs and stuff.  that stuff
just makes me feel happy and warm and good inside.  i see nothing wrong with
sharing your love for each other in public, but there is a line that should
not be crossed, from cuteness to ofensiveness.  that goes for everyone too.
and i agree with what someone (i can't remember who- sorry) said about it
being an attention getter.  a lot of people like to shock and they also may
want to prove themselves and try to elevate their status in the minds of other
people, i know i always feel a lot of respect for someone when i find out they
are gay, maybe it's that sort of thing.  anyway, i just wanted to put my two
or twenty cents in. : )

--kate

i have to agree with most of what's been said thus far about this issue
(anybody making out in public is inappropriate and uncomfortable, etc.),
but i have to say that, until dickenson, i never noticed it at an ig
concert before. holy somethin', they sure were going at it over there,
weren't they? ( i was standing right by bethany, obviously).

lilith fair was the first time i really noticed the pda thing making me
uncomfortable. i am straight, and i actually thought it would bother me to
see gay people being affectionate, simply because i'd never really been
exposed to it before b/c of where i come from. however, much the same as
everyone else that's been posting, i found that it gave me the same "awww .
. ." feeling that i get when i see heterosexual couples snuggling, holding
hands, or even sharing the occasional kiss, as long as it's tasteful.

then, i went to lilith at polaris in columbus, oh last summer.  bethany and
i were sitting on a small grassy patch out in the main area, eating our
food and looking around.  all of a sudden, this woman to our right jumps
up, her partner lying on the ground.  the first woman then straddles her
partner--the one on the ground--and proceeds to fondle the woman's breasts
in full view of everyone.

if i ever did anything like that with my fiance in public--i would never do
that, b/c it makes people feel so uncomfortable, and for god's sake,
there's a time and a place, you know? when people do things like that, i
know that they're just doing it to shock other people, like those girls
next to us at dickenson, and it really pisses me off. they are the same
people who complain that heterosexuals look at them strangely when they're
with their girlfriends, but how could anyone, gay or straight, look at them
normally when they're basically inviting us into their bedroom??

i don't know, i guess i've been a little bitter ever since that concert,
since first this outrageous pda thing pissed me off, and then during ig's
part of the concert, some woman sitting next to me decided she'd grab my
ass for good measure. i think it's ridiculous that anyone should have to
worry about getting groped at a concert, for god's sake. . .

sorry i went off like that, but that's really bothered me, as much as it
would if a guy grabbed my ass. i don't know whether to feel harassed or
just really, really annoyed . . .

anyway, there ya go.

shannon :)

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 12:56:35 -0400
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i know that this isn't directly ig related, but i thought that since a lot
of us are women, this would be a valuable list item. my extreme apologies
if anyone has a problem with it, or has heard all of it already . . .

love, shannon

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did you know. . .

--if shop mannequins were real women they'd be too thin to menstruate.

--there are 3 billion women who don't look like supermodels and only 8 who
do.

--marilyn monroe wore a size 12.

--if barbie were a real woman, she'd have to walk on all fours due to her
proportions.

--the average american woman weighs 144 lbs. and wears between a size 12
and 14.

--one out of every 4 college aged women has an eating disorder.

--the models in the magazines are airbrushed-they're not perfect!!

--a psychological study in 1995 found that 3 minutes spent looking at
models in a fashion magazine caused 70% of women to feel depressed guilty
and shameful.

--models who twenty years ago weighed 8% less than the average woman,
today weigh 23% less.

please send this to every woman you know. there is no sense in our
generation of women and future generations of women killing ourselves to
look thin. we're simply being lied to. love yourself for who you are, not
what you look like.

my first ig concert was the first time i ever saw pda's of same sex couples.
i felt at home for the first time.  i had just come out to myself about 2
months prior to the concert, and going to the concert was just kind of like
reassurance to me.  i didn't feel so alone like i did here.  it was
beautiful.  at every concert i always felt like something was missing, but
never quite figured it out.  then i went with my girlfriend to a concert,
and as we were walking in a huge crowd of people i reached out and grabbed
her hand so i wouldn't lose her.  the void was instantly filled.  that was
the best damn night of my life.  it wasn't ig, it was sarah mclachlan and
lisa loeb, but it was still beautiful.  for the first time my heart wasn't
empty, it was exploding.  when she sang angel we both started crying and
hugged.  i'm going to sing and play the guitar to that song (and pink
floyd's wish you were here) for her (even though i can't carry a tune) just
to show her how much that night and she mean to me.  and you know, by me
seeing all of the out couples openly showing affection, i got more strength
to go out and be open myself.  too much pda (with anyone whether it's gay or
straight) is just uncomfortable to be around.  holding hands, yes, heavy
petting, no.
                                                   -kate

grnpeace@fullnet.com

~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
"majoring in religion, listening to t.v. evangelists interpret the
scriptures and dictate my offerings- i found my god in myself,
around myself- in every moment and piece of matter.
everything is animate." a. ray

"don't critisize what you can't understand." b.dylan
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hey folks,

i'm having mondo mail problems today, so if anybody's trying to
mail me and not succeeding, blame it on my "there's nothing
wrong with your email!" isps. heh. i know there's a gazillion
emails trying to make their way to me right now, but none are
getting through...

anyway, i just wanted to let you folks know that there's a new
update to the faq.  we've recently added the information from
last september's "acoustic guitar" magazine about the types of
instruments a&e play, and there's a new question about squeaky
fromme.  there are a couple of other new things as well - if
you want to check it out, the faqs are on the web at
http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig.  the ftp site
(ftp://space.mit.edu/pub/cmb/ig) will be updated soon too.

that's all for now - hope you folks are behaving yourselves
while i'm limited to one-way communication...

:)
sherlyn
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date: fri, 1 may 1998 02:53:26 -0400
reply-to: scott niebling <wolf83@mindspring.com>
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hey becky! i went to the chapel hill show last night, of course.
i don't have any recording equipment, so no boot. yeah, no air
conditioning in memorial hall, but i got a little of the mist the
girls were in.

terri binion opened(what a big surprise that a daemon artist
would open :).  it was her first gig with her new band,
"the long haulers".  i saw her when she opened for ig at the
wake forest univ. show last october.  i thought she was pretty
good, so i bought her cd, "leavin' this town".  after the concert
she was nice enough to talk to me and sign the cd.  last night i
was one of the few there who knew her songs.  i'm more of a
rocker, and do not like pure country, but her stuff has just
enough rock in it.  so, every out there: check out her cd - it
is only $10 now at concerts(i paid $15).

ok, now to the ig experience last night.  it is amazing how
much the girls can rock with just the two of them.  also,
i like that they have to play more old acoustic stuff with
just them.  amy used a bass device in some songs to punch
them home.  is it me or is she losing too much weight?
we wouldn't like her not to have the strength to jam
with the fierce energy she has now :)  here's the setlist
that i know has some errors in the order of the songs:

world falls
get out the map
joking
shame on you
hammer and a nail
i don't wanna know (amy mentioned that michelle malone
co-wrote this with her)
least complicated
shed your skin
power of two
cut it out/wish you were here
love's recovery (yea!!! i finally heard one of my favorites live)
nuevo senorita
it's alright
chickenman
galileo

encore:
virginia woolf
gone again
closer to fine (with terri binion)

sorry to offend any "chickenman" fans out there, but i wish they
didn't always play it. they could get two more songs in. maybe,
reach back to the olden days with "if you live like that", or
play "strange fire", or play one of their covers("get together",
"american tune", "love of the common people", "weakness in me",
"melissa", "mona lisas & mad hatters", etc.).

emily talked about how they played a unc student concert 10 or
11 years ago, and how chapel hill has always been good to them.
she mentioned playing at the "cat's cradle" - now that would be
something for them to play there again. if more stupid s.c high
schools cancel, they could play my old high school, cary:)

indigo always,
scott

p.s.  you can also get terri binion's cd at daemon records
      (p.o. box 1207 decatur ga 30031) or the website
      http://www.monsterbit.com/daemon/

okie dokie--
i searched the net, and found this for y'all.
i am positive this is the correct contact info:
(from www.lex5.k12.sc.us/schools/ihs/fstaff/fstaff.html ):

**irmo high school:  www.lex5.k12.sc.us/schools/ihs/default.htm
                     (803)732-8100
                     6671 st. andrews rd., columbia sc 29212
                     h.s. newspaper editor:  jennifer barnhard
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**!!!email principal gerald witt!!! (the guy who cancelled the show):
his addy:  gwitt@lex5.k12.sc.us
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**associate principal of instruction and staff, ms. beth fisher:
  bfisher@lex5.k12.sc.us

**assistant principals:
  mr. bob rollings:  brollins@lex5.k12.sc.us
  mr. uel jones:  ujones@lex5.k12.sc.us
  mr. terrance alridge:  talridge@lex5.k12.sc.us

**school psychologist (heck, email him and tell him the suicide stats
for gay teens, and why positive role models are necessary):
dr. bob cantrell: bcantrel@lex5.k12.sc.us

-----------------------------
irmo is in district 5: www.lex5.k12.sc.us/default.htm
district 5 main number: (803) 732-8000

i'd suggest maybe writing one letter, and sending it to all principals,
plus the psychologist (if ya think it'll help sending it to him too).
please write and email and call and protest!!!
("why don't you give me a call when you decide you're willing to fight
for what you think is real, for what you think is right.")

*****i know i'm small in a way, but i know i'm strong.******
jill

p.s. i don't think this has been mentioned: irmo stands for "i respect
myself and others". how ironic. ah, hypocrasy.

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hey everybody--
i came out to my sister today. interesting dialogue:

my sister: <ranting about her fiance #2, wagging this *rock* of an
engagement ring in my face ...sheesh... after begging her not to tie
the knot for a while and teasing her about not going to the ceremony,
this exchange occurs>:

me: "okay, how 'bout this...: i'll go to *your* wedding if you come to
*mine*." <devilish smile>

sis <looking at me in amused disbelief>: "*who* are *you* going to
marry?"

me <gesturing to my shaming of the sun poster above her head>:
"amy ray."

me, stammering happily over thoughts of amy in a wedding gown: "uh--of
course, *she* doesn't yet know of my plans... i've yet to divulge them
to her... but i'm *sure* she'll go along with it once i let her know..."
;)

now that wasn't so bad. hee.
jill

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 04:57:21 -0400
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this just in...
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http://www.thestate.com

indigo girls may still play: controversy continues in irmo

the indigo girls vowed to play somewhere in columbia next
thursday (may 7) as their tour ran into more problems when a
tennessee high school became the second school this week to
cancel a concert.

[germantown high school, principal ernest chism cancelled it allegedly
after hearing that ig used the "f word" at an april 13 high school
concert in loganville, ga.]

amy ray and emily saliers said thursday before their show at furman
university they were upset that their sexual orientation led irmo
high officials to cancel the folk-rock band's show.

"it hurts my feelings, but i understand prejudice and where hate
comes from," saliers said. "i know that it's in the world and it's
not just directed towards gay people, but it's directed towards
lots of groups of people.

[some irmo hs students plan a walk out at 8:45 am thursday, when the
concert was to begin. other students are wearing pink or rainbow-colored
clothing to show their feelings.

also, there is word that besides germantown, another unnamed tennessee
high school (franklin hs, franklin or farragut hs, knoxville) is
considering cancelling ig's concert.

sc natives, hootie and the blowfish, are outraged and say that they will
perform a free concert for students *with* ig in sc.]
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stay tuned...

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>sc natives, hootie and the blowfish, are outraged and say that they will
>perform a free concert for students *with* ig in sc.]

whoo hoooootie!

never liked them much before, but i can be persuaded otherwise! :)

cathy -- only 15 hours til the girls at music midtown!!!!!

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and i said 'oh my god . . . i feel better.'" --amy ray
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date: fri, 1 may 1998 07:17:21 -0400
reply-to: karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
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see you guys, it wasn't just me being homophobic, dickinson musta just made
everyone either horny or shocked by the hornieness taking place...

> i have to say that, until dickenson, i never noticed it at an ig
> concert before.  holy somethin', they sure were going at it over there,
> weren't they?  ( i was standing right by bethany, obviously).
>
> when people do things like that, i
> know that they're just doing it to shock other people, like those girls
> next to us at dickenson, and it really pisses me off.  they are the same
> people who complain that heterosexuals look at them strangely when they're
> with their girlfriends, but how could anyone, gay or straight, look at them
> normally when they're basically inviting us into their bedroom??
>
> i don't know, i guess i've been a little bitter ever since that concert,
> since first this outrageous pda thing pissed me off, and then during ig's
> part of the concert, some woman sitting next to me decided she'd grab my
> ass for good measure.  i think it's ridiculous that anyone should have to
> worry about getting groped at a concert, for god's sake. . .
>
> sorry i went off like that, but that's really bothered me, as much as it
> would if a guy grabbed my ass.  i don't know whether to feel harassed or
> just really, really annoyed . . .
>

shock sex is not appropriate...anywhere anytime. ps....i am getting seats at
lilith in camden, (got a connection at ticketmaster) so the lawn shock thing
isn't going to be a part of my 98 lilith memories...

i really do love and respect y'all, i don't care if you are gay, straight, bi.
i respect all your opinions, as i hope you do mine.

peace, karen

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 07:48:44 -0400
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karrie said:
"slanderous remarks in regard to geographic location are almost as
ignorant as slamming someone because they are a different race or
religion or sexual orientation."

so is slamming someone for being pro-life.
but don't mind me...it's not the first time i've heard that being a queer
pro-lifer is stupid :)
i just thought i would mention it.
the rest of what you said i pretty much agree with.
and i grew up _in_ philthydelphia...i mean philadelphia.

--audra

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 08:52:14 -0400
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about that whole pa comment, it _was_ a humorist who said it. i think i
read it in the philly paper last year in some philly paper, and they acted
as if it was a famous joke around these parts.

however, for someone to take offense at the comment that pa is "alabama in
the middle" makes mewonder about prejudices against alabama...just
wanted to point that out.

as far as the pda thing goes, it bugs me too.  and i've seen a lot of it
at ig shows, and most of this has been lesbian.  though heterosexual pda
bugs me, too, when i see it various places... at the chastain park show
last may in atlanta i was sitting behind a group of 5 women who obviously
didn't actually care about the music, and were there because it was the
lesbian thing to do.  as if to confrm this, throughout the concert they
talked about ellen, so i couldn't hear the music.  it bugged me a lot.  on
the plus side, though, i didn't have to wait in line for the bathroom
while the womens wait was over an hour...

finally, i noticed that one of the articles on the concert cancellation
mentioned that it was being cancelled "because parents were upset about a
rock concert during school hours, and because of the group's sexuality."
which got me wondering...the first of these reasons is at least a sort of
decent thing...i have no problem with a concert during school hours, but i
can see where people might.  is it possible that the media has jumped on
the homophobia aspect of this much more than it actually exists?  i don't
remember actually seeing a quotation from the principal saying it was
being cancelled purely due to the sexuality, just "due to parent's
complaints."  and i wouldn't put it past the media to jump on the
sexuality issue as it's a hot topic and everyone has these negative
feelings towards the south anyways.

of course, i also wouldn't put it past many small commuities to be that
blatantly homophobic. any thoughts? i just tend to fear i'm being
maipulated by the media sometimes...

darren

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i think i dont understand something... it says that our work has to be
postmarked may 1st--> that means i can still send it today right? but then
it says that they will announce who the winner is, on may 1st.. ??? huh?
??? if someone could email me as soon as possible, so i can mail my design
or not...

july ;)

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is it just me, or am i the only one who rarely takes notice of the people
in the audience around me, simply because i am there to see the artists
performing? again, maybe it's just me. *heh*

--audra

yo yo yo! i need to say one more thing about my dickinson experience. ;)
i think one of my previous posts implied that i was uncomfortable with
the lesbian (in particular) pda happenin' around me....as a lesbian
myself that was *not* my problem...my bag was with the need to share the
explicit details of one's sex life...(gay, straight, green, purple,
whatever...) *that's* when i got pissed.  (i didn't particularly enjoy
getting bashed in the head as a result of a makeout session, but hey
man..if you're into it, you're into it. ;)  so, that's the thing...
i, like most of you get that warm fuzzy stuff happenin' in my belly when
i see couples bein' all lovey dovey...kissing, rubbing...blah blah
blah...i don't even mind a random tongue now and then. :) hell -- makes
me want a woman of my own (any takers?! heh heh...), but being so loud
about the details of what happened in so and so's bedroom last night is
inappropriate and uncalled for -- i'd like to repeat the crap that was
being thrown out, but i think i'll save it.  it was just so *unusual*
and loud...i've never heard anyone say such things in the midst of a
bunch of strangers...the fact that we're there, and that the majority of
us are open to and accepting of the lesbian (in this case) life doesn't
mean we necessarily wanna hear that s**t...it's strange, but i almost
felt violated...i don't wanna hear about anyone's sex life...unless it's
my own. ;)
so, kids...keep kissin'...keep huggin'...keep doin' your thang, but as
soon as you start talkin' about last nights festivities, let it go! :)
i know that we're all too smart to pull this kinda crap, but i just felt
like venting. :) phew...back to class i go.  :(
happy friday people!

bethany :)
oh yeah...one more thing -- the daemon shirt contest...somebody posted
about the deadline...is it the first or the fifteenth?!i wanna know! :)

i heard on the radio (and oh how i hate radio in the dc area)this
morning on the way to work on 106 out of baltimore that they are going
to have information about lilith at 5pm on monday...anybody want to do
some investigation into this before then? :)

back to work

-heather

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is it just me, or am i the only one who rarely takes notice of the
people in the audience around me?! maybe it's because i'm there to see
the artist?! imagine that...*heh.*

of course i'm there to see the indigo girls...of course...i wouldn't
drive 8 hours to watch the audience. :) sometimes though, it's a little
difficult when it's right next to you...in your face...distorting your
hearing...pissing you off. :) it gets a little annoying...and
distracting...that's the number one problem. i rarely pay attention to
the people around me, but this was the first time i'd ever encountered
it. ya' know...it's all good though...i'm not complaining...just
commenting...

-bethany :)

hello to all listees,

there is an article on the mtv website in the news gallery
about the s.c. concert cancelation with a lengthy quote by
emily. it was very eloquently written and to the point, but
very sad to see those words spoken by emily.

i hope the people who pulled the plug on these shows are
now happy with the fact that they are making headlines
all over the country about how closed-minded and prejudice
they are. i feel bad for the students who will miss out on
hearing the girls perform, for what could have been a day
that would have made impressions on the lives of young
people, as they did with mine.

take care and peace!

-deb

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on fri, 1 may 1998, darren glass wrote:
> finally, i noticed that one of the articles on the concert cancellation
> mentioned that it was being cancelled "because parents were upset about a
> rock concert during school hours, and because of the group's sexuality."
> which got me wondering...the first of these reasons is at least a sort of
> decent thing...i have no problem with a concert during school hours, but i
> can see where people might.  is it possible that the media has jumped on
> the homophobia aspect of this much more than it actually exists?  i don't
> remember actually seeing a quotation from the principal saying it was
> being cancelled purely due to the sexuality, just "due to parent's
> complaints."  and i wouldn't put it past the media to jump on the
> sexuality issue as it's a hot topic and everyone has these negative
> feelings towards the south anyways.

my feelings on this (becuase i noticed this too) are that perhaps there
are some parents that really don't think a "rock" concert is appropriate
during school hours. these people have never heard ig music and
(obviously) have never seen one of their amazing concerts. but my thought
when i read this was that this legitimate reason was just that: an excuse,
a legitimate thing to say so that the whole town wouldn't look like
idiots. but maybe i am just too jaded by society...

kristi
"do or do not, there is no try"
--yoda

here's a pretty good article on the cancellation

http://www.jamtv.com/sections/jacked/text/newsdefault.asp

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

"got to learn to respect what we don't understand"
-amy ray

"if the world is light, shine my life like a light"
-emily saliers

would someone mind copying this article to the list from the mtv
website? i don't have internet access at work! argh!

thanks-
jan

>-----original message-----
>from:  debigogrl [smtp:debigogrl@aol.com]
>sent:  friday, may 01, 1998 7:31 am
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>subject:       ig statement on mtv.com
>
>hello to all listees,
>
>there is an article on the mtv website in the news gallery
>about the s.c. concert cancelation with a lengthy quote by
>emily.  it was very eloquently written and to the point, but
>very sad to see those words spoken by emily.
>
>i hope the people who pulled the plug on these shows are
>now happy with the fact that they are making headlines
>all over the country about how closed-minded and prejudice
>they are.  i feel bad for the students who will miss out on
>hearing the girls perform, for what could have been a day
>that would have made impressions on the lives of young
>people, as they did with mine.
>
>take care and peace!
>
>-deb
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*sigh* this, too, is wrong.... the school district is lexington district 5, not 1....5
so, please don't email the person at district 1....

jennifer phillips wrote:

> jeez, forgive me. i sent the message yesterday about the cancellation of the i-g concert in sc. i got my info. second hand and didn't double check the sources. the story is true, but the district is wrong. joe bonds is the superintendent for lexington county 1 and his e-mail is jbonds@lex1.k12.state.sc.us
> the phone number for the district office is 803-359-4178.
>
> so sorry for the misinformation, i'll be more careful next time.
>
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> date: wed, 29 apr 1998 08:26:41 -0700 (pdt)
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>
> note: forwarded msg attached.
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> subject: cancellation of indigo girls concert
> date: wed, 29 apr 1998 08:15:18 -0700 (pdt)
> from: jennifer phillips <jenlphil@yahoo.com>
> to: underdog@earthlink.net, indigo-girls-request@netspace.org
>
> wasn't sure who to forward this information to, but thought maybe
> someone could spread the word on what is happening here in columbia,
> south carolina. according to this morning's the state newspaper, the
> indigo girls were scheduled to perform a small concert at spring
> valley high school. when parents found out that amy and emily are
> lesbians, complaints were filed and the principal cancelled the
> concert.
>
> to lodge a complaint or an opinion, you can call the richland county 2
> school distric office at 803-787-1910. or e-mail the public relations
> officer of spring valley high school at pwendt@richland2.k12.sc.us
>
> to read the full newspaper article, go to www.thestate.com. it is the
> first article on the page.
>
> j. phillips
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so philly has its problems...
doesn't every city?
you have to admit it has gotten better over the years!!!
after living in the middle of rural ohio for the past six months, where
you can not find a philly cheesesteak is crazy!!! you should see what
people try to pass off as a cheesesteak!
anyway, after the slight slamming,
i thought that i would post for the fourth time since i've subscribed, and
defend the city of brotherly love and the birth place of independence!
meg

on fri, 1 may 1998, i am 32 flavors and then some... wrote:

> karrie said:
> "slanderous remarks in regard to geographic location are almost as
> ignorant as slamming someone because they are a different race or
> religion or sexual orientation."
>
> so is slamming someone for being pro-life.
> but don't mind me...it's not the first time i've heard that being a queer
> pro-lifer is stupid :)
> i just thought i would mention it.
> the rest of what you said i pretty much agree with.
> and i grew up _in_ philthydelphia...i mean philadelphia.
>
> --audra
>
>
>
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for those who don't have web access, here is the text of the articles that
were mentioned by deb and dan:

deb

-----------------------------------------------------------

(here's the one that deb referred to)
update: indigo girls speak out on show cancellation indigo girls

the may 7 date of the indigo girls' spring tour of college and high school
campuses was canceled yesterday after parents leveled complaints about the
nature of the free show.

in response to local officials pulling the plug on the show, indigo girl
emily sailers issued a statement today which read:

(here's the article dan referred to)
the indigo girls are waging war against
sexual discrimination in irmo, s.c., where a high
school principal on wednesday canceled a may 7
show by the group because of their homosexuality.

responding to complaints leveled by approximately
40 parents who felt the folk rock duo should not
play during a free school assembly, irmo high
school principal gerald witt axed the show much
to the dismay of many students and teachers.
following the announcement, indigo girl emily
saliers issued a statement blasting the close-minded
minority in irmo and promised to play a show there
regardless of their objections.

"despite this particular cancellation, we will play in
columbia, s.c. and we'd like to thank the people
there and elsewhere who support our collective
message of respect and justice for all human
beings," saliers said.

the grammy-winning duo plans to perform at an
alternative venue in irma next thursday afternoon
when students of the high school can attend on their
own time. "they're going to play in someone's house
if they have to, but they will play," lisa markowitz,
the band's publicist at epic records, told jamtv on
thursday.

originally slated as the last concert in a string of
high school and college shows, the irma high
school event was organized in part by the school
newspaper, the stinger. editor-in-chief of the paper,
jennifer barnhard, told jamtv on thursday that
students and teachers are up in arms over the
decision. some of the teenagers are organizing a
walk-out for next thursday and signing a petition,
while the faculty is planning to wear pink t-shirts in
protest.

"teachers preach to their students that they should
be open-minded in this society, and then this
close-minded, ignorant decision comes along and
negates everything that they have stood for,"
barnhard said. "what gives a parent the right to
define our cultural education?"

principal witt told the state newspaper on
wednesday that parents in the conservative southern
town objected to the open lesbian lifestyle of saliers
and amy ray.

"homophobia permeates the surface, especially in
many high school settings for gay and lesbian
students," tracey conaty, communications director
for the national gay and lesbian task force, told
jamtv on thursday. "the school's action was
bigoted and intolerant. it underscores why the
indigo girls' message is so important -- they are role
models to people trying to be sincere and honest."

the indigo girls were scheduled to play a 30-minute
show followed by a question-and-answer session
during a school rally. irma high school policy states
that students may attend study hall instead of rallies
if they wish, karen flowers, advisor to the
stinger, told jamtv on thursday.

since the cancellation was announced, the
1,800-student school has found itself the target of
national scorn and ridicule.

"this morning the bashing really started against irma
faculty and students," flowers said. "the students
are very concerned that this decision will reflect
badly on irma. they feel that music is music, and
the lifestyle of the group is not a question."

the indigo girls are slated to play three high schools
in tennessee before the proposed rescheduled irma
show.

hometown favorites hootie and the blowfish have
risen to the group's defense, saying they will do
whatever they can to help reschedule the event. as
the state reported on thursday, hootie manager
rusty harmon said, "the indigo girls represent
everything that is good about the music business.
they write beautiful songs and work for good
causes." (anni layne)

before anyone jumps to conclusions, i attended this school for four
years and still live approximately two minutes from it...   so yes,
being an irmite myself, i am allowed to call it a terrible little town.
=)
please don't condemn the whole south for what this school has done.  it
was of the discretion of the principal of the school...yes, the
principal.  not the school board chairman, not the district
superintendent, but the principal.  a man by the name of gerald witt.
who, by the way, was the principal my last year at irmo high, as well.
however, mr. witt has decided to take it easy and is not taking phone
calls for the next few days, nor is he probably answering email (if he
even has email).  so, i really don't think it will do much good to email
the superintendent.  however, if  you want to, you can search for the
email address of  dennis mcmahon, who is, i promise, the superintendent
of lexington school district 5.  but while you're at it you might as
well email all the parents and students who actually supported the
cancellation of the show, because believe it or not, there were even
some students who "do not want lesbians to come to our school."  i have
half a mind to go egg the houses of those students and parents....
supposedly, some of the students are forming a walk out on may 7 at the
time the concert was supposed to be.  and are planning on wearing
rainbow and pink triangles.  it's a nice thought, but, being that i went
to this school and know how the student body there is, i don't think it
will happen.  it would be great if it did, but i really don't see that
at irmo.  however, some students have expressed their opinions (both
ways) in the school newspaper and in the south carolina state
newspaper.  which, by the way, i have read every article thus far and
some of the information posted on this mailing list has been a bit
off....
well, at least the indigo girls are still planning to play in columbia
on may 7 (the day they were supposed to be at irmo).  hootie and the
blowfish are arranging them an outdoor concert that will be free for
students.
oh also, a school in tennessee has also decided to cancel an indigo
girls show.  you may want to write or call them because maybe their
principal will be more caring of the publics opinion.

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here is the mtv news quote from emily concerning the show cancellation.

                the may 7 date of the indigo girls' spring tour of college and
high
                            school campuses was canceled yesterday
after parents leveled
                            complaints about the nature of the free
show.

                            according to a spokesman for the irmo high
school, the indigo girls
                            concert was canceled because of their
sexuality, because the show was
                            to be held during school hours, and because
of complaints from
                            parents that any show, much less one by a
pair of lesbians, would be
                            an inappropriate use of the school assembly.

in response to local officials pulling the
plug on the show, indigo girl
emily sailers issued a statement today
which read:

                            "we are saddened and angry to hear that our
show at irmo high school
                            has been canceled. it is a blatant case of
homophobia. the show was
                            canceled because we are gay. in the wake of
recent violence in schools
                            and the often bleak environment for kids
which includes the cutting of
                            school arts programs and lack of creative
outlets, we believe that
                            playing free high school shows provide a
positive musical and
                            emotional experience for high school
students. despite this particular
                            cancellation, we will play in columbia, sc
and we'd like to thank the
                            people there and elsewhere who support our
collective message of
                            respect and justice for all human beings"

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update: indigo girls speak
out on show cancellation
indigo girls :

                            the may 7 date of the indigo
                            girls' spring tour of college and
                            high school campuses was
                            canceled yesterday after parents
                            leveled complaints about the
                            nature of the free show.

                            according to a spokesman for the
                            irmo high school, the indigo girls
                            concert was canceled because of
                            their sexuality, because the show
                            was to be held during school
                            hours, and because of complaints
                            from parents that any show, much
                            less one by a pair of lesbians,
                            would be an inappropriate use of
                            the school assembly.

                            in response to local officials
                            pulling the plug on the show,
                            indigo girl emily sailers issued a
                            statement today which read:

                            "we are saddened and angry to
                            hear that our show at irmo high
                            school has been canceled. it is a
                            blatant case of homophobia. the
                            show was canceled because we
                            are gay. in the wake of recent
                            violence in schools and the often
                            bleak environment for kids which
                            includes the cutting of school arts
                            programs and lack of creative
                            outlets, we believe that playing
                            free high school shows provide a
                            positive musical and emotional
                            experience for high school
                            students. despite this particular
                            cancellation, we will play in
                            columbia, sc and we'd like to
                            thank the people there and
                            elsewhere who support our
                            collective message of respect and
                            justice for all human beings"

                            as we previously reported (see
                            "chumbawamba, foo fighters,
                            indigo girls, david byrne to
                            play music midtown fest"),
                            the indigo girls will be greeted by
                            friendlier faces when it plays the
                            music midtown fest in atlanta,
                            georgia, on friday.

                            for more on the indigo girls,
                            check out the mtv news
                            gallery.

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i am constantly amazed how ignorant and narrow minded (and
pseudo-moralistic) some people still are... i wish they'd show more
respect and tolerance toward others... but, well, dream on,
huh?:-(((.

peace
and
take care,
kathrin

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"music is such a good way to resist.
                  it keeps you strong.
                         it has dignity."
                                   - amy ray
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<is it just me, or am i the only one who rarely takes notice of the people
<in the audience around me, simply because i am there to see the artists
<performing? again, maybe it's just me. *heh*
<
<--audra

wellllll . . . hmmmm. . . it's kind of hard to miss someone grabbing my
ass. i try to focus on the music, cause well, that's why i'm there! but
when people are grabbing you and straddling/groping each other right before
your eyes, it's a little hard.

i'm not trying to be mean, i'm just saying that, in my experience the pda
has been un-ignorable.

shannon

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well grabbing someone's ass is hardly pda in my opinion.  that's "i'm
gonna beat you upside the head if you do that again" for someone i don't
know doing it to me, and "honey, i wanna hear them play - not now" if i
do...or soemthing to that effect.
it's all about focus.  i personally can ignore you if you are laying on my
lap making out with someone if i want to...i can certainly ignore someone
making out next to me...if i want to.  especially when amy *drool* ray
*drool* and emily *drool* are on stage *smirks*

--audra

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 11:33:58 -0500
reply-to: deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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from: deb reiser <dreiser@wi.net>
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here's a story from friday's the state (www.thestate.com)

deb

indigo girls may still play
controversy continues to strum on in irmo
by alan richard, yon lambert and leroy chapman

the indigo girls vowed to play somewhere in columbia next thursday as their
tour ran into more problems when a tennessee high school became the second
school this week to cancel a concert.

amy ray and emily saliers said thursday before their show at furman
university they were upset that their sexual orientation led irmo high
officials to cancel the folk-rock band's show.

"it hurts my feelings, but i understand prejudice and where hate comes
from," saliers said. "i know that it's in the world and it's not just
directed towards gay people, but it's directed towards lots of groups of
people.

"we're just trying to play shows, we're just trying to play music. our
message is positive."

but two days after irmo high school halted concert plans because ray and
saliers are lesbians, the principal of germantown high school in surburban
memphis nixed tuesday's concert over language in one of their songs.

thursday morning, germantown high principal ernest chism stopped the duo's
plans to perform after hearing the band used a vulgar lyric at an april 13
concert at a high school in loganville, ga.

"we were told that one of the singers used the 'f word' in a song and
really emphasized it,'' chism said. "it wasn't something that was just
slurred. we didn't think that was appropriate for our school. we were
misled, to say the least.''

someone called chism after the loganville performance and told him about
the lyric. chism then called the high school and verified it. he said he
didn't know the indigo girls are homosexual until he called the georgia
school, but said that wasn't a factor in his decision.

at irmo high, controversy over the band and the decision dominated
conversation thursday.

student newspaper editor jennifer barnhard said normally vibrant principal
gerald witt was subdued and withdrawn.

"from my personal experience, he's not the type of person to do this,"
barnhard said. "i think he knew wholeheartedly that the decision he made
would forever change the relationship with his students."

witt said he's the one who made the decision to cancel the half-hour
concert and interview session scheduled for next thursday. some parents had
complained, and he said he worried that the show was becoming more of a
controversy than an educational experience.

students speculated the decision came from david eckstrom - the local
school board chairman in district 5 of lexington and richland counties who
is running for the republican nomination for state education superintendent.

"i didn't really have a part in it," eckstrom said thursday, though he
supports the move. "there were enough concerns about the disruption, about
the agenda being promoted, that i thought the school made a wise decision
not to have the program."

eckstrom said it appears the indigo girls are "promoting an agenda," citing
an article in an atlanta gay newspaper in which they discussed their
sexuality.

he added that he believes "most parents strongly support the decision," but
barnhard said most students at irmo disagree.

"he's got his own agenda," barnhard said of eckstrom. ".he indigo girls are
not coming here to promote their political agenda. (eckstrom has) something
to gain out of this. the rest of us don't."

the issue won't end with this week's events.

ninth-grader darryl walker said he and other students plan to walk out of
the school at 8:45 a.m. thursday, when the indigo girls concert was to begin.

barnhard said word of the walkout had spread throughout the school thursday.

she said some students may find other ways to protest: wearing pink or
rainbow-colored clothing to show tolerance of gays and lesbians.

"we're trying to be the people who are mature and open-minded," barnhard said.

still, irmo high's decision may be putting the duo's other upcoming high
school visits in jeopardy.

besides the school in germantown, another tennessee high school is
considering canceling a show, said leslie aldredge, founding partner of the
new york city-based shagg network.

the network, which helped schedule the concert at irmo high, is a group of
high school newspapers and radio stations that helps students interview
musicians and review albums.

aldredge said she spoke wednesday with other columbia-area schools
interested in hosting a concert. at least one - hammond school - decided
against it. spring valley high school had initially declined an offer for
the concert before irmo accepted.

the indigo girls' manager, russell carter, said he is collaborating with
hootie and the blowfish manager rusty harmon to reschedule the
columbia-area concert outdoors somewhere. members of the two bands are
friends and harmon offered to help reschedule the show.

"we just want to make sure the kids get what they were promised, which is a
show by the indigo girls," harmon said.

carter said saliers and ray want the concert to be free and open to students.

"they know students on the whole are very supportive," carter said.
"obviously they're not going to do it at the high school.�.�.but (the band)
is definitely coming."

commenting from los angeles, where they are recording their new album,
members of hootie and the blowfish also expressed dismay over irmo high's
decision.

"(it) was naive, and wrong," said guitarist mark bryan, who recently became
a father. "human sexuality is a natural part of all of us. don't hide it
from your children; help them understand it. then let them live their own
lives."

saliers says fears the group wants to indoctrinate kids into the gay
lifestyle are absurd.

"you can't make a person be gay," saliers said.

ridiculing the audience is one of the best parts about going to
concerts...if it weren't for the spit swappers and doughnut bumpers,
the wealth of subjects for potential ridicule would be sadly diminished.

and where would my self etseem be then ???????

i have so little ...is it too much to ask ??????

:)
binky

why attack the town? the school? the principal? why attack
anyone involved in this decision?

attacking never does anything productive. appealing, educating or
relaying the facts to someone will have the desired affect far more
often.

i wrote letters to members of the school board administration
and principal witt explaining some of my personal experience and
feelings for the indigo girls music and the causes they represent.
i included an audio cassette tape and the lyrics to "ghost," one of
the most beautiful songs i've ever heard, as an example of their
music.

i urged principal witt to reconsider his decision and went on to
tell him a little bit about how significant the indigo girls music
is to me and how much their musical style has a positive affect on
my life and attitudes.

not once did i say he made the wrong decision.  not once did i tell
him that his school or his town or his staff was wrong or that they
were idiots or biggots or anything negative like that.  i'm sure this
man does a good job as principal.  i'm sure there are a lot of
pressures, especially from 40+ parents speaking up.  but fighting him
or his decision won't accomplish anything.  appealing to him and
letting him know how the rest of america feels might help open his
eyes a little, get the ball rolling.

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 13:23:12 -0400
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from: mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
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subject: gay jesus on b'way [tangential igc]
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this article is from ap on-line.

once again ig were ahead of their time -- amy's been there, done that!

i guess it's a good thing all those asinine high school principals and
administrators don't know about ig's participation in daemon's "jcs"!

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gay jesus may play on broadway

new york (ap) -- acclaimed playwright terrence mcnally
is working on a play featuring a christ-like character who
has sex with his apostles, the new york post reported today.

"corpus christi," likely to open on broadway or off-broadway in
september or october, features a character called joshua, the
newspaper said. the name jesus is a variation of the name joshua.

gilbert medina, an assistant to mcnally's agent, confirmed
that the play is being produced by manhattan theater club,
the paper said. a reading of the play was held tuesday at the
club, and about three dozen people attended.

the sex in the play is offstage and just talked about, the
newspaper said.

the play borrows dialogue from the bible's new testament,
paraphrasing pontius pilate's questioning of jesus christ
before his crucifixion, the paper said.

"art thou king of the queers?" mcnally's pontius pilate
character asks instead of "art thou the king of the jews?"

"thou sayest," the joshua character answers.

roman catholic leaders denounced the portrayal.

"if that were true, that would be horrifying," said joe zwilling,
a spokesman for the archdiocese of new york. william donohue of
the catholic league for religious and civil rights called the
play "sick beyond words."

mcnally, a three-time tony award winner who has written numerous
gay-themed plays, was quiet about his work. his previous works
include "master class" and "love! valour! compassion!"

"i don't want to say anything about it. it's new," mcnally said
thursday.
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..me again, posting about nig stuff... sorry! :) but you know, you people
are my connection with the wider world! whoo whooo! :) :)
okay, so do you have something to say about iicd- institute for
international cooperation and development, in ma? comments? info?
experiences to share?

so ig content... anyone can tell what is that far away noise at the end of
galileo? someone laughing? a goose?? ;p ...i keep hearing stuff these
days.. my auditive capacities are increasing...

july ;)

>my feelings on this (becuase i noticed this too) are that perhaps there
>are some parents that really don't think a "rock" concert is
appropriate
>during school hours.
yeah...and i've also heard the stories of school music teachers who have
been fired because they were also in rock bands. i probably heard this
on pop up video or something, but i think the guy who sang lead on deep
blue something (breakfast @ tiffany's) was a music teacher and was
fired, that or he quit(but i know *somebody* was fired).
anyway
carol

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 13:58:45 edt
reply-to: danip <danip@aol.com>
sender: indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from: danip <danip@aol.com>
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hi. my name is dani pardo and i got a number off of the list about two weeks
ago to get tickets to virginia slam. i never recieved the tickets, and they
cashed my check anyway- which is not very cool. if someone could re-post that
phone number or suggest any way in which i could get my money back (i'm out
$120 as a result) i would really appreciate it. it leaves a really bad taste
in my mouth that the number and the information i received might have been an
intentional scam. i hope that is not true, but i would like any information i
could get to rectify the situation is more than appreciated.

thanks ahead of time-

dani

because it was asked....[my comments are in brackets.]

  4.30.98 7:55 edt
           updated 17:00
                            update: indigo girls
speak out on show cancellation

the may 7 date of the indigo girls' spring tour of
college and high school campuses was canceled
yesterday after parents leveled complaints about the
nature [nature of the show? were they going to have
sex on stage?] of the free show.

according to a spokesman for the irmo high school,
the indigo girls concert was canceled because of
their sexuality,because the show was to be held
during school hours,[their kids don't need to go] and
because of complaints from parents that any show,
much less one by a pair of lesbians,[oh yes, we'll
let racist sexist homophobic bigots use it like they
do in richfield, where i live] would be an
inappropriate use of the school assembly.

in response to local officials pulling the plug on
the show, indigo girl emily sailers issued a
statement today which read:

for more on the indigo girls, check out the mtv news
gallery.

===
feminism is the radical idea that womyn are people.

america is at that awkward stage: it is too late to
work within the system and too soon to shoot the
bastards.

---janice stevens <janice_stevens@pagenet.com> wrote:
>
> would someone mind copying this article to the list
from the mtv
> website? i don't have internet access at work!
argh!
>
> thanks-
> jan

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hey everybody,

i was watching mtv hoping to see a segment on "mtv news" about the irmo high
school incident.  mtv sports was on instead so i fliped up one channel to
vh-1.  lo and behold amy and emily were singing along with sarah and jewel!
holy kamolie!  it was spellbinding...earth shattering...soul shaking!  can we
say harmony!  anyways, they were on a show called women 1st, all about
lillith.  mmmmm mmm mmm.  now i'm even more excited about next friday's show
in austin!  maybe vh-1 will rerun the special sometime tomorrow...they do that
a lot.  just wanted to let ya know!

take care,
amy
~~~~~~
p.s. are the listees going to the austin show going to meet up somewhere? let
me know.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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date: fri, 1 may 1998 11:14:25 -0700
reply-to: kathleen mulhern <kmulhern@scenicsoft.com>
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thought some of you might be interested in reading what i had to say.  i
sent it to principal witt and all his assistents, vice-principals and
the school psychologist.  i'm a little pissed, let's just leave it at
that!  happy reading!

-kate :o)

________________________________

dear principal witt:

this letter is regarding the decision to cancel an upcoming free concert
by
the rock band indigo girls. i'm certain this is not the first letter
you
have received about your decision to cancel the concert, and i'm
positive
this won't be the last. i hope you understand, however, that the
nation-wide outpouring of support for amy ray and emily saliers (indigo
girls) and the extremely negative press regarding you, your decision and

your once proud high school are the consequences for your own actions.

i am not writing this letter to you to extoll the virtues of being a
homosexual.  quite frankly, there are very few positives about being
homosexual, even in this day and age.  homosexual teenagers have the
highest rate of teen suicide in the country.  homosexual teenagers are
harassed, mentally and physically abused, outcast and even murdered on a

daily basis, simply because of the way they have sex. i'm sure you know

that homosexuality is not a choice, for who would choose to bring the
hardships of peer exclusion, constant negative input and daily violence
upon themselves? luckily there are support groups available to help
homosexuals during the difficult and awkward teen years, and there are
extremely positive role models, not only in the music industry but in
history.

instead i am writing to let you know just what sort of impact your
decision
has had.  already there has been a statement issued from the popular
rock
band hootie and the blowfish in support of ms. ray and ms. saliers.  as
the
members of hootie and the blowfish are from south carolina, this is far
from positive press for the state.  i'm sure you realize, also, that
your
decision has caused unrest in your own school;  students are planning a
walk-out and other forms of protest on the day the concert was supposed
to
have happened.  you'll agree that these forms of protest are certainly
less
conducive to the learning process than a free, half-hour concert and
interview session by a nationally recognized rock band.

when ms. ray and ms. saliers do perform in columbia, south carolina, i
can
guarantee that fans and curiosity seekers will make their performance a
memorable one, and cause you once again to rue the decision that has
caused
a rift between you and your students. by releasing the statement that
they
did, ms. ray and ms. saliers have taken the "high road," so to speak.
they
expressed their sadness, that's all. they did not pass judgment upon
you
(unlike what you have done to them) or the agenda behind your decision,
thus making the hysteria and fear of difference around which your
decision
frames that much more heinous.

the school superintendent has spoken about ms. ray's and ms. saliers'
"agenda."  as a listener of their music for many years, i can however
relate without prejudice just what that "agenda" is:  love,
understanding
and acceptance of all life on earth.  i'm certain you know of their work

with native americans, environmental issues and animal rights.

in only three songs is it possible to ascertain their sexuality.  the
bulk
of their music speaks of personal loss, triumph, hope and even biblical
scripture (both women are deeply spiritual and this spirituality is
obvious
in their music.  i'm sure you are aware that ms. ray is a biblical
scholar
who holds a bachelor's degree in theology).  this "agenda" is a common
one
to the whole of humanity.  they do not "promote" a certain "lifestyle,"
and
this fact would be made clear to you were you to actually listen to some
of
their music.

this decision of yours has polarized not only the school, community and
state within which you live, but the entire nation.  if you don't
believe
me, read the national newspaper or watch cnn.  as i am certain that the
pressure of a manic few influenced your decision, the cancellation of
this
free concert and interview will haunt you for the rest of your career.
your relationship with your students will never be the same.  i wonder
if
you really thought of the ramifications of your actions before you went
forth.

the bottom line to all of this, however, is that censorship always
backfires upon itself. publicly censoring a rock band is even worse, as

people who were never fans before hear of this controversy and out of
curiosity, cause ticket sales increase and cd and tape sales skyrocket.
the band receives more publicity and national attention than it ever
would
have had it not been censored. this, i am certain, is not what you had
intended.

whereas before ms. ray's and ms. saliers' sexuality was not paramount in

their message or popularity, you have now forced the issue upon them and

have forced them to now address it constantly.  they, being private
people,
did not feel it necessary to do so up until now.  while they are openly
homosexual, they do not speak about it unless asked.  they have more
important things to talk about.  apparently, some people in your
community
have nothing better to talk about than the way in which these two women
have sex.  an issue that the minority in your community was trying to
quash
is now foremost on your student's minds.  the questions will begin, if
they
have not already, about what homosexuality and homophobia mean.

you have started a hurricane, principal witt, and this is a hurricane
that
you are unable to control. i know that this decision was made under
pressure. i hope, however, now that you have succumbed to the pressure
that you can look yourself in the mirror knowing that you have lost the
respect of the majority of your students, and that your good name is now

being associated with the perverts in your community and in the country
who
care more about the way people have sex than the people themselves.
good
luck to you, principal witt. you'll need it.

sincerely,

kathleen a. mulhern
seattle, washington

the culprit is...
> not the school board chairman, not the district
>superintendent, but the principal. a man by the name of gerald witt.
>however, mr. witt has decided to take it easy and is not taking phone
>calls for the next few days, nor is he probably answering email (if >he
even has email).

yes, he has email: gwitt@lex5.k12.sc.us

(refer to the post i sent with "irmo hs contact info--it's correct this
time" in the subject header for more contacts. if necessary, i can
post it again for those who missed it.)

jill

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> would someone mind copying this article to the list from the mtv
> website? i don't have internet access at work! argh!
>
<snaps fingers> hey, you want it, you got it, babe! <g>

this is reprinted w/o permission, please nobody sue me.......

4.30.98 7:55 edt
updated 17:00 update: indigo girls speak out on show cancellation <picture:
indigo girls>indigo girls

the may 7 date of the indigo girls' spring tour of college and high school
campuses was canceled yesterday after parents leveled complaints about the
nature of the free show.

in response to local officials pulling the plug on the show, indigo girl
emily sailers issued a statement today which read:

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hi, all!

i'm trying to get together a group for the lilith fair show at the gorge on
saturday, june 20. the lineup on that day is:

main stage
sarah mclachlan
natalie merchant
sheryl crow
erykah badu
indigo girls

second stage
k's choice
billie myers
lhasa

village stage
tara maclean
tba
talent search winner

please let me know asap (today is the last day to buy group seats before
tickets go onsale to the public). we need at least 25 people to form a
group, but if we do form a group, we get to buy the tickets *today*, before
they go onsale to the general public. we'll be getting great reserved seats!

thanks!!!

glenna johnson
mlelist@gte.net
(425) 558-0292

hey,

i was just wondering if anyone knows who the "girl band" in the gap commercial
is...and if anyone has the drummer's phone number. ; )

~amy

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>hey,
>
>i was just wondering if anyone knows who the "girl band" in the gap
>commercial
>is...and if anyone has the drummer's phone number. ; )
>
>~amy
>
>
>isn't that luscious jackson?
>
>i am pretty certain it is. the two old guys (playing drums, harmonica and
>guitar) on the gap comer are aerosmith (well steve tyler and joe perry). but
>then, you didn't ask that did you. ha, a bonus answer!
>
>peace,
>
>dan perkins
>(who is thinks he spends to much time reading and talking about music, since
>he knows who luscious jackson is but has never heard even 1 song of theirs.)
>
>

carrie--
i had a boot deal with you...the soc boot...i was wondering if you got my
blank in the mail.....it's been awhile.
just email me lmd21@aol.com and we can work out the details.
thanks,
lauren

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amy wrote:

> i was just wondering if anyone knows who the "girl band" in the gap
> commercial is...and if anyone has the drummer's phone number. ; )

band: luscious jackson
drummer: jill schellenbach

(and yes, she is... you have a good eye!) ;)

:o)
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> band: luscious jackson
> drummer: jill schellenbach
sorry, i'm a stickler for details, but...her name is kate schellenbach.
there is a jill in the band...cuniff, and she's the bass player and one of
the vocalists.
casey

hey everybody!!
ig tape collectors new and old--here's your chance to get a copy of this show!
state theatre, sydney australia, february 26, 1998

the setlist:
mystery
three hits
get out the map
land of canaan
hammer & a nail
don't give that girl a gun
it's alright
shame on you
power of two
cut it out/wish you were here
least complicated
i don't wanna know
leeds
romeo & juliet
galileo
chickenman

encore:
ghost
closer to fine

and here are the kind people who you'll get it from--email the person with
your birth month and set up your deal. if you've got nothing to trade,
this is a great opportunity to get something. :)

january         lisa             memememi@aol.com
february       laura          laurajackson@mindspring.com
march            kristine      kricky@mhv.net
april             bonnie         bonster@u.washington.edu
may               melissa        bloodnfire@hotmail.com
june              jude             hunterj1@aol.com
july               sasha            indigofrk@aol.com
august            jeanette        reposa@scf-fs.usc.edu
september      amanda         biodb8er@rocketmail.com
october           leslie             holeman@cats.ucsc.edu
november        missy           msinghaus@msmisp.com
december        lisa             memememi@aol.com

and if you're outside of the u.s., e-mail kathrin:
kathrin.siegmund@stud.uni-hannover.de
she doesn't have the tape yet, but she will soon!
(australians can *probably* get it from sherlyn though)

the tape is 100min. (with a lot of extra space, so it *may* fit on a 90--i
haven't checked).

there ya go--have fun!! :)
leslie

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if i were to make another case for nigc on this list, this would be the
post i'd make it for.
you're right--it's very important, for women and men, since men help
reinforce social standards (one way or the other).
my gf is anorexic, and it kills me, because she's so wonderful that i can't
understand why her self image is *so* bad.
   thanks, shannon!
        peace,
               sharoane

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>
>
> i know that this isn't directly ig related, but i thought that since a
lot
> of us are women, this would be a valuable list item. my extreme
apologies
> if anyone has a problem with it, or has heard all of it already . . .
>
> love, shannon
>
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> did you know. . .
>
> --if shop mannequins were real women they'd be too thin to menstruate.
>
> --there are 3 billion women who don't look like supermodels and only 8
who
> do.

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apropos of nothing really,

what's up with k's choice making a pepsi commercial!?!

just the other day, i heard it on the radio - i couldn't believe it! i
mean,
they sounded good and all, but a pepsi commercial?

another cool indie band gets eaten by the machine.

if i ever see michelle malone do a miller lite commercial, i'm gonna
sell my radio and move to a buddist retreat center. :-)

tom

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way back when i was in school, we had assemblies of all sorts...and they
lasted anywhere from a half hour to two hours.  the school planned these
things, and scheduled around them. some of them were rock concerts of hard
rock/heavy metal cover bands (ack) who would then talk to the older boys to
try and recruit them.  that was pretty offensive to lil ole me, who was a
better guitar player than most of the males who played guitar in my
school...
    i think that this excuse that darren pointed out is just to make the
second excuse look a little less harsh...and it doesn't work for me.
   peace,
       sharoane

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> subject: re: in defense of me (nigc)
> date: friday, may 01, 1998 10:50 am
>
> on fri, 1 may 1998, darren glass wrote:
> > finally, i noticed that one of the articles on the concert cancellation
> > mentioned that it was being cancelled "because parents were upset about
a
> > rock concert during school hours

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i think that we've read more than enough about pdas at concerts.
disgusting, beautiful, whatever they are, everythings been said. enough.

please read all the messages before you post another mtv news article or
the name of the band in the gap ad.

write to the principal of irmo high school if you are mad, but please don't
post your letter. we've read some very great and articulate letters, but
i'm not interested in reading *everyone's* articulate letter.

if you are interested in something that someone has said, please, please,
please could you reply to them privately rather than hold your two-way
conversation on-list?

thank you for your courtesy and your conscientious adherence to the
guidelines set forth in the list faq.

-garian

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according to the lilith site tix for merriweather post go on sale on may 9th...and as far as i know ticket bastard is not doing it..pro tix sells tix for merriweather post...anyone know anything else????

poprockgrrl

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on fri, 1 may 1998, tom jobes wrote:

> just the other day, i heard it on the radio - i couldn't believe it! i
> mean,
> they sounded good and all, but a pepsi commercial?

   just curious, but, emmm...what's wrong with that?  i mean, when a
four-piece band goes gold (500,000 albums sold - not too easy) the
average amount each player takes home before taxes is $20,000.  which is a
good amount less than the national average.
   kinda sobering.  i'd do a pepsi commercial.

> if i ever see michelle malone do a miller lite commercial, i'm gonna
> sell my radio and move to a buddist retreat center. :-)

me too.

darius

"i've been fooled about all night
wiped clean always by midnight
wasn't it like an idiot summer..."
---gin blossoms, "idiot summer"

to whomever wrote about the germantown high school concert being cancelled
-thank you.  my best friend (zoosoccer) and i were planning to skip school and
sneak into germantown to see them play.  it would have been really
embarrassing to get there and it be cancelled.  it really doesn't suprise me
in the least that the show was cancelled.  it just goes to show you that if
your different, somebody somewhere is not going to like you.  i seriously
doubt that the show was cancelled b/c amy and emily used one curse word at one
concert.  i think that it was cancelled b/c of the narrowminded people in the
south.  germantown's principal probably grew up in the south under the wing of
strict conservative parents.  he probably got a complaint about them being gay
and flipped out.  the people around here are not real courteous to people who
are different from them.  as much as i am disappointed about the show being
scratched i am more disappointed that i am growing up in the deep south (bible
belt) surrounded by people that are so closeminded.

disgruntled in memphis,
nate

-i'd like to send a snail mail letter to the superintendant, was that in the list of
addresses that jill posted?  if so, could someone send it to me?  thanks.
-regarding "don't give that girl a gun" - i know the lyrics "she's already won/one"
aren't in the lyric booklet because amy likes the ambiguity.  but for the life of me i
can't think of how it could be "one".  she's already one, as in she's already a gun?  um,
that doesn't make sense.  anyone have any thoughts?
-i just learned to play "blood and fire".  i've had the guitar book to the self-titled
album ever since i started playing the guitar last august, but for some reason never had
any desire to learn how to play it.  i highly recommend playing it and screaming the
chorus.  it's very liberating.  i never realized that i liked this song until, well,
today.  amy sounds so wonderfully hoarse on the recording.  and the lines "i am intense,
i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love" - wow.  if only i could say that.  being single
sucks.
                        back to studying organic chemistry (almost done.  almost done.  3
                        more days of hell until the beach.)
                                                stephanie

stephanie lynne merhar
university of virginia
indigo@virginia.edu
http://www.people.virginia.edu/~slm4b/

"i must say around some corner i can sense a resting place" -emily saliers

heya! quick introduction: my name is jill (william is my partner). this is
my first post, so forgive me if i'm asking a topic that has already been
covered. i've enjoyed hearing people's takes on various ig songs, and i'm
wondering what you folks think about "scooter boys." i am also wondering
if anyone knows the (new) lyrics to "nuevo senorita," a song i heard for
the first time at the chapel hill concert.

okey-doke, folks.

1) (for the 957th time) please don't quote other peoples' entire
messages when replying to the list. please. don't do it. no,
no, no, no, no.

2) please don't send chain letters to the list.

3) the pda thing - i'm seeing a lot of discussion, but it mostly
seems to be people agreeing with each other. if you feel the
need to discuss it further, please take it off the list. thanks.

4) please don't let this discussion about which region is better
than which other region deteriorate into a flame war. thanks.

5) irmo. we're all in support of the girls, of course. but
there's no need to repost your letters here... thanks.

i hope this made sense, i'm in a bit of a hurry today.

thanks folks -
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
"it's never too late to live right now,
so you can be who you want to be..." - carrie newcomer

>"they're going to play in someone's house
>if they have to, but they will play," lisa markowitz,
>the band's publicist at epic records, told jamtv on
>thursday.

my the list has been newsworthy lately.  based on the above comments i must
recant all statements i made about s carolina.  seeing as the girls may
play in someone's house i have just decided to relocate to the rural south
:):).  could i be more self-serving.  please don't answer that.

in all seriousness, i have read through many comments about the general
statements that were made about the south etc in regard to homophobia and
intolerance.  i stand corrected and educated on comments i made about the
whole south being intolerant and how could anyone live there blah blah.  as
someone pointed out, there are plenty of comfortable, liberal, southern
communities.  they are usually in the larger cities.  lord knows rural
illinois is just as bigotted at times.  heck, long island, where i grew up,
can be pretty intolerant.  someone coming out there would be like town
gossip.  anyway my point is that i really should not have generalized when
referring to the south.  it's just that the most ridiculous acts of
homophobia and intolerance (boycotting tv shows and concerts) seem to
originate in the south, but hatred and bigotry are present all over.  i
still could never live there but that's me.  maybe i should have asked--how
can those living in rural, conservative, intolerant communities live there
and find happiness (unless you yourself are intolerant and conservative).
        emily also made a good point in her statement regarding the high
school cancellations fiasco.  she talked about somehow playing in columbia
south carolina.  it's like they are not going down without a fight and i
admire that a great deal.  so my apologies for cursing out the ig tour
planner too.  obviously ig enjoy playing the south and had a statement to
make by playing there.  maybe it was their plan all along to bring the
ridiculousness of homophobia to the news again.  all publicity is good
publicity.

take care. if ig come and play at my house i promise i won't cancel the
show. anyone wanna help me plan? ;)

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sherlyn,

just a note to say that i think you're doing a good job as administrator.

it takes a lot of work to do what you're doing and you seem to be very
diplomatic :)

wmntime--a long time lurker who has gone post-crazy since seeing her first ig
show :)

i hadn't listened to scooter boys that much, but the rendition they did at
irving plaza was so incredibly intense.  when amy started singing, my heart
sank and i thought "oh scooter boys", like, get this one over with.  but the
girls made me change my mind really fast :)  it was incredible.  i just
started listening it to now as i'm writing.

i don't even know why i never liked it.  probably because it's not a sing
along, not a song of love or love lost.  but i'm glad that they are expanding
what they sing about.  scooter boys is so different from anything they've ever
done before--but then again, shaming is a radical change from their older
stuff.

the song just went over and that sinking feeling is back. i'm thinking: "it's
over already?" :)

wmntime--lovin' those girls!!!!!!

in a message dated 98-05-01 22:49:04 edt, gflame@megsinet.net writes:

<< obviously ig enjoy playing the south and had a statement to
make by playing there. >>

as someone mentioned the other day, the indigo girls are from the south, so
it's pretty natural that they'd want to play there.

wmntime--from the north, but knowing that this kind of garbage can happen
anywhere in the usa

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in a message dated 98-05-01 22:47:30 edt, gflame@megsinet.net writes:

<< take care. if ig come and play at my house i promise i won't cancel the
show. anyone wanna help me plan? ;)
 >>

i'm there. in fact, i make a really great salsa-and-stuff dip that i can
bring in quantity... ;o)

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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hey y'all. i just got back form the most amazing concert ever. i must say
the wait was worth it, mosh pits and all! my dad (he's very cool) and i
arrived as the gates opened at 6 pm. we went straight to the main stage
field (which was complete mud by the time the first band had played). we
stood in the same spot until midnight when the girls were done!! needless
to say, the first two bands before paula cole and the girls were wild
ruckus bands and the audience decided it needed to mosh. my dad found
himself warding people off, and i got a few injuries myself! but i got to
stand right in fron to amy, second person back from the wall.
        to say the concert was magical would be an understatement. i know most of
y'all have been to zillions of concerts, but this was only my second one.
the set list goes as follows:
        it's alright, three hits, get out the map, i don't wanna know (for
michelle), least complicated, shed your skin, power of two, scooter boys
(or scooter voice as my dad wrote it!!), hammer and a nail, shame on you,
thin line, chickenman (with dave ellison), galileo, (encore), kids fears,
and the ever-popular closer to fine
        the stage appeared to be set up for leeds or winthrop, but it must have
been dropped. they both had on black jeans...emily with a plain red shirt
and amy with the red dotted shirt she wore on the rosie show (i think), a
black t-shirt with some scary wolf looking thing on it, and for a while,
she was wearing this awesome black leather jacket. her hair hung in her
eyes...so cute. :)
        my roommate just got home and brought me both amy and emily's set list,
complete with amy's footprints all over it. i also waited around and got a
guitar pick from sulli.
        as for the actual concert, they were sounding good. chickenman was
extremely slow and at one point, they got out of time with each other.
galileo rocked. amy forgot quite a few lyrics throughout the concert!
emily, as always, had on her serious, sometimes pained face. amy just could
not stop grinning the entire time!! :) she was being silly quite a bit.
        i'll end this with a question for everyone. amy started a song before
entering scooter boys that had the words "killer" and "faye tucker" in it
quite a few times. any clue as to what song this might have been? it was
not on the set list. thanks for reading...take care and good night!
                                                christy :)

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end."
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date: sat, 2 may 1998 07:34:13 -0400
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subject: lilith tickets...

it's a scorchingly hot afternoon here in vancouver. thank goodness for
air-conditioning! (&tgif.)
even through sarah is currently on hiatus, she and ash stopped by the
office yesterday to work on all of the lilith fair preparations...(ahh the
life of a musician).
this message is directed at those planning to attend lilith this summer:
some tickets are going on sale this weekend for a select number of shows.
tickets will be available through ticketmaster outlets, phone lines
and on-line, so please contact them for any further info in regards to
pricing, seating, etc. tickets usually go on-sale around 10am, but you
might find it better to call in around 9am, just in case.

*please remember that ticket on-sale changes may occur at the last
minute, due to that commonplace term: "unforscene circumstances" (ie., el
nino).

the following are the lilith 98 shows that are slated to go on-sale this
weekend:

tickets going on-sale *friday, may 1st*:

*** oklahoma city, ok @ all sports stadium ***
(this is the fully confirmed location of the show in oklahoma, by the way)

tickets going on-sale *saturday, may 2nd*:

        *** george, wa @ the gorge *** (both dates)
        *** del mar, ca @ del mar fairgrounds ***
        *** albuquerque, nm @ new mexico wine festival ***
        *** bonner springs, ks @ sandstone amphitheatre ***
        *** indianapolis, in @ deer creek ***
        *** columbus, oh @ polaris amphitheatre ***
        *** detroit, mi @ pine knob *** (all three shows)
        *** holmdel, nj @ pnc bank arts center ***
        *** houston, tx @ woodlands *** (both shows)
        *** mansfield, ma @ great woods *** (both shows)
        *** milwaukee, wi @ marcus amphitheatre *** (both shows)

tickets going on-sale *sunday, may 3rd*:

*** san francisco, ca @ shoreline amphitheatre *** (both shows)
*** los angeles, ca @ rose bowl ***

*note: all tickets for lilith fair 98 are going on sale through every
weekend in may, and we will attempt to give weekly updates as to which
particular shows are going on sale through those consecutive weekends.

take care and have a great one!
:) leanne

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 08:19:08 -0400
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this is one of those annoying personal nigc rants... delete now... or
don't bother flaming later...

i find it absolutely fascinating that over the past week, *so* many
people have posted anti-nigc messages complaining about being forced to
endure the annoying nigc posts of others -- while the complaints are
*themselves* annoying nigc posts which we all have to endure...

does anyone else see the irony?

i frequently post nigc messages. i have no intention of stopping. add my
email addy to your anti-spam mail app if you find it *so* terribly
offensive.

or... subscribe to the ig-news only list. i actually sub to both ig
lists. i save most the ig-news messages. i usually read, then delete 98%
of the reg list messages. sometimes when i can't deal with the huge
steady stream of list posts, i temporarily sub to the digest version and
unsub from the bounce version. i have even stopped list mail, then later
received the log file to find out what i missed.

what i'm saying is... there options and ways to deal with list messages,
and even with specific lister email addys, whom you wish to ignore
(myself, most certainly included) by using anti-spam email programs.

the instructions -- for subbing to "ig-news only"; for changing from the
bounce version to the digest version; for setting the "nomail" command
without unsubbing from the list; for requesting past weekly log files of
list posts -- are all contained in the ig mailing list faq/ welcome
message.

this list is comprised of a rather significant number of free-thinkers,
unlike many other music mailing lists which are a bit more contrained or
conservative in their willingness to allow for the free exchange of
ideas.

nigc is not evil. people make mistakes, and sometimes post those
mistakes on the list (yes, this might, in fact, be one of them). some
people simply need attention or are learning how and how not to express
themselves.

we try to welcome here all those who love the music and the ideals of
indigo girls.

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 06:56:06 pdt
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could anyone who purchased extra indianapolis and detriot lilith tickets
please contact me? i was unable to do the charge-by-phone thing (that's
why i'm here typing this and not on the phone) and need a ticket for
each.
thanks,
jill

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 10:15:29 edt
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my take on the music midtown:  it was horrible.   worst concert experience
ever.  all the way around.  poor planning, poor artist setup, just horrible
crowds, etc.   (personal note to cheri:  you were ***so***
right!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  so very right)

the two bands before indigo girls incited riot in the crowd, and it got quite
dangerous. one of the bands actually threw a guitar in the crowd, which
incited more riot, and fights, and also injured a few people. stupid, stupid,
stupid. and then the second band - well, the "moshing" started right away,
and as soon as it started getting violent (i think it was about the time
someone kicked me in the head as they were "crowd surfing") we decided to get
out, and give up our spots we had been saving for 5 hours. it just wasn't
worth it. and anyone who knows me, knows that it must have been bad, for me
to give up my spot <grin>

and also.............  several of us had been anticipating (greatly!) the
vonda shephed/emily duet of "baby don't you break my heart slow".........  the
only problem is vonda's stage was on the other side of the park, scheduled to
end 15 minutes before ig's set started.   meaning if you went over there and
saw vonda, there was no way you could get back in time to see indigo girls.
so, instead, we fought our way back through the crowd, and actually did manage
to get back on the front row for ig.   i think that vonda is probably an
artist of the same type of music and should have been on the same stage as ig,
rather than "mosh pit inducing" memory dean and eve 6.

**anyway**, enough griping over.  i just feel so bad that everyone came here
from so far away (florida, colorado, california, texas, washington, and
louisiana just in *my* group of people) to see a good show and saw a horrible
crowd instead.   and to top it off, after i complained to some 10 year old
(okay, well, i'm sure he was older than that, but with his attitude, i think
he was 10) after he kicked me, and then decided to stomp on my foot, he told
me that "this is what happens at concerts.  haven't you been to a concert
before".   hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm  no, not ever =p

**but** i also told my friends (hello rick, caroline, chris, rachel,
elizabeth, amy, martine, nancy, cathy!!!) that i would make a public apology.
the new song before scooter boys is *definitely* about karla faye
tucker......... and to make amends, here are the corrected lyrics, as heard
at music midtown.

on the night they killed faye tucker
i was gambling away my last dime
and i pulled down the lever
and i sent up a prayer
that my love would not be denied
that my love would not be denied

now roll out the head of faye tucker
and never you mind what they say
well you may be reborn
but it just got you scorned
that's what you'll take to your grave
that's what you'll take to your grave

well mister wants you to live now
and the governor wants you to fry
and whatever it was
that you thought might occur
they got something else on their mind
well they got something else on their mind

well if you live they're gonna make you a campaigner
if you die they're gonna make you a grave
yeah, either way it goes down
that your life's not your own
you know that's why killing don't pay
i said that's why killing don't pay
no it don't

i said what did you learn faye tucker
hey, what will you take from my world
well if mercy could prove us
nothing would move us
to rise above just being cruel
to rise above just being cruel

looking forward to a much saner crowd tonight at eddie's for the michelle
malone show!!!!!!!
=)
lisa

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 13:06:58 edt
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is it only me, or is everyone on aol having a problem too? i can't search
the web for anything. every time i do it says the attempt to load has failed.
aaahhhhhhh....help somebody.
love,
alison

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 15:03:18 -0500
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this from the state website. for the full story go to
<http://www.thestate.com>.

deb

denied by irmo high school, the indigo girls on friday followed through on
their vow to reschedule a controversial columbia concert.

the folk-rock duo will play the township at 4 p.m. thursday. promoters are
making 3,000 tickets available for the show.

of those, 2,000 are available as first-come, first-served free tickets for
high-school students. the other 1,000 are available to the public for $15.

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 17:19:18 edt
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so what's the story with the "f" word being used by amy at another school
performance? according to the state, this happened in loganville, ga. it
sounds like the band & their spokespeople don't deny it. has anyone seen a
statement from amy on the issue?

lisa j.,
who got her lilith fair tix for albuquerque today :):):)

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 15:12:10 pdt
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i'm trying to buy lilith tickets online, but this screen keeps coming up
that says "event id null". what's this about?
frustrated jill

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 17:37:28 -0700
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ok ok ok so far we know these things, (and we can
prolly put an end to the triplicate posting):

* everyone gets sickened by any pda by anybody in
anyplace at anytime

* everyone who's posted so far has never ever ever
done anything anywhere that anyone else could
misinterp at "gross" and "icky"

* nobody's at all homophobic what-so-ever, and we're
just pointing out the homo v. hetero pdas for the
heck of it

am i right? can you hear the honey hued sarcasm
dripping from my teeth???

ok, so how are we defining pda?  is it holding hands
while walking, in a restaurant, at a concert?  is it
having your hand on your lover's knee?  is it having
your arm around them?  kissing them?  (as in i'm
meeting my lover at some place and i see "them" and
we kiss.  is that bad?)  or is it groping?

i would also like to point out one more
thing...sometimes, some "gay pdas" make people more
confortable about themselves. case in point: my gf
hated being gay till she went to melissa and saw
happy dykes and realized she wasn't doomed to screwy
relationships for the rest of her life like her
mother was in con la chica (why'd'ya think she's got
me!?)

amanda

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date: sun, 3 may 1998 10:59:25 +1000
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hey folks,

has anybody heard of a compilation called "doin' dylan"? i saw one
the other day at hmv - it might be an australian thing, i'm not sure.
it's from 1993, on one of the sony labels (might have been
columbia)... anyway, it's a 2-disc set that has ig doing "all along
the watchtower" on it. i don't really want to buy it and i don't
know if they'd let me listen to it at the store, since i figure it's
probably the botby version...

anyway, does anybody know anything about this? i don't recall having
seen it mentioned anywhere before...

happy happy rainy sundays -
sherlyn
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so you can be who you want to be..." - carrie newcomer

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 17:56:34 -0700
reply-to: amanda <biodb8er@rocketmail.com>
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does anyone on this list read strangers in paradise
or hothead paisan? (i wouldn't be suprised is ms
jilly certo does...) just wondering, thanks

amanda

ps someone ask me to bootleg sydney for them...i want
to be a tree with leaves, and life so i can grow grow
growwwww!!!!!!!!!! (silly mood, yes.)

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 21:30:49 -0400
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okay, i have heard pink floyd do it a million times and never was so
moved as when amy did it...does anyone know if there is a recording of
ig doing pf? i'd love to have it...also...just getting back on the list
and not knowing if this has been covered recently, does anyone know
anything about a new ig release (cd)? when??? its over a year now,
come on a&e...pulease!!!

one more thing...anyone going to camden lilith? can we have a list
meet? i didn't get to meet up with any listees in carlisle and i really
would like to meet fellow local listees!

peace, karen

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 18:37:58 -0700
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for those of you interested, i booted dar's concert last saturday in
portland. it's good quality, only a bit of an echo. anyone interested
email me and i can give you other info. happy day/evening to all.
-sam (who's mom won, no kidding, a ferry ride to victoria)

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 21:43:27 -0400
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i love hothead paisan!!! i thought i was the only one....

tami

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 22:28:59 -0400
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you guys, i swear.... :o) i finally get time to read and post and
noone else is posting! well time for "kiss the girls"..gonna scare
myself silly.

love's recovery is my favorite....can't get it out of my head!

love, k

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hey all~
does anyone know what amy is saying in the beginning of "touch me
fall"??? that's been driving me crazy for the past week!!! i can't figure out
what she's saying!! can anyone please help? email me privately peeze!
love, peace, indigo,
~alyssa

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 23:26:04 -0400
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hi there. i'm brand-new to the list because i want to see what people are
saying about the irmo high school cancellation. what do you all think?

if you haven't heard about it, let me know and i'll forward some press
releases. if you have heard about it, and would like to email the
principal that cancelled their show, his address is: gwitt@lex5.k12.sc.us.
snailmail address is irmo high school, 6671 st. andrews road, columbia, sc
29212.

(because i'm so new to the list, i don't know if this sort of post is out
of line. i do know that i am disgusted by the bigotry that took place and
i have an activist orientation to letting people know when they're being
bigots.)

a passionate email activist--

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why not do a pepsi comercial?
i'd like to think that if i were in that position i'd not do the commercial
because pepsi is a socially irresponsible, environmental nightmare type
company. there's an interesting editorial that details some stuff and i
know there's other info out there about the transgressions of pepsi - if
anyone has a burning desire to learn more email me and i can look into
other info. sorry pepsi loyalists...
http://www.digitas.harvard.edu/~perspy/issues/1997/mar/pepsi.html
happy may :), marissa

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date: sat, 2 may 1998 20:51:04 pdt
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karen wrote:
>well time for "kiss the girls"..
hmmmm... can *i* play too? ;)
jill

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>
> does anyone on this list read strangers in paradise
> or hothead paisan?

say.......that's a good question.......i don't read terry moore's book but
i do read a lot of other books, ranging from the mainstream to the
fringe........

questions like this posted on the list are usually frowned upon, i know,
but since comic-reading right now is'nt as popular as it used to be, so i
don't expect _that_ much mailbox-clogging............e-mail me privately,
just in case.

so how many listees here read comics? and what kind? i'm curious to know.
for the record, i read hitman, astro city, legion of supeheroes and x-men
too..........

ian c.

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date: sun, 3 may 1998 01:16:17 -0400
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hi guys, my roomate just heard that jonathon taylor thomas (the middle
child on home improvement) just recently came out.

can anyone confirm this?

-alanna

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i was wondering if tix have gone on sale for bethlehem musikfest, nj for
8/11/98? also any tix on sale for lilith too? i don't know if i am even on
this planet this week.....lol. anyway, any info is much appreciated. thanks
so much.
~alison

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i was under hte impression the bethlehem thing was in bethlehem pa...am i
wrong?

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>i was wondering if tix have gone on sale for bethlehem musikfest, nj
for
>8/11/98?

no, they haven't.  visit their site at www.musikfest.org/home.htm
the tickets go on sale the 17th of may, i believe.  no prices listed.
hadn't heard about this show... just found it this morning listed on a
page of tour dates.  bethlehem, pa is in the southeastern corner of pa,
right near ny/nj state borders.
visit the site, it's funny-- all this jazz about platz and leiderhosen.
okay, maybe no leiderhosen.  but lotsa platz, whatever that is.
jill

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sorry for wasted bandwidth, but i would be really interested to talk to
anyone who works at borders. i'm applying for a job in the new store that's
opening in my town (the first one in the uk i think!) and have a few
questions that i'd really like to ask before i go for interview.

please corespond privately! <seffy@epic.co.uk> or <lonecoyote@starmail.com>
- thanks!

seffy

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my dogs got me up early, so here i sit, ready for ig reading and i must
be the only one awake on the list!

musikfest is gonna be blessed with my presence, i feel really lucky that
the girls are playing so many venues nearby!

as the bombshells of my daily fears explode, i try to trace them to my
youth....

love, k

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musikfest is gonna be blessed with my presence, i feel really lucky
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i've finally heard back from the guy i was behind at the
shawn colvin concert. he recorded that show but the mic
batteries were dead so he only has the first part of the
show in good quality the rest is bad.

he has these shows:
1)indigo girls-dat master-u of dayton-11/15/97 100minutes
2)indigo girls-dat master-indiana university 12/9/97 100minutes
3)indigo girls-analog master-fraze pavilion 6/13/97 100minutes
4)sarah mclachlan-dat clone-murat theater-11/5/97 100minutes
5)sarah mclachlan-dat clone-4/7/94-90minutes
6)jewel-dat clone-murat-3/14/97 95minutes

so i'm going to be getting them on cd here before too long
and then i'll offer them to the list. he says they're all
excellent quality and knowing how picky he was about us not
making noise at shawn colvin i'm reasonably certain they are
good. :)

i'll probably see him in the next couple weeks and will let
you all know!

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i heard that lilith venders are selling limited cd's of live clips of the
girls at lilith.  also the cd includes the new remix of shed your skin.  they
said that is the only place they are available.  i wish i could remember the
website i got it from!  aaahh!  unfortunately, i don't think i will be able to
make any lilith concerts.  ='o(  so i was wondering if someone can pick a few
of them up for me if they go?  i will send you a sase and the amount the cd
costs.  please if anyone could do me the favor i would be so greatful! =o )
respond privately and hopefully we could work something out.  (begging)
love,
alison

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it was said on an edmonton radio station - the bear - that he had come out.
don't know if that's such an official source though. i guess there was some
worry over it dure to his girl following and the rumoured homophobia of tim
allen ( i wouldn't be surprised). anyway, good for him if he has!

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bethlemhem is in pa.
great place!
meg

on sun, 3 may 1998, i am 32 flavors and then some... wrote:

> i was under hte impression the bethlehem thing was in bethlehem pa...am i
> wrong?
>
> --audra
>
>
>
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for those of you who are familiar with dar williams- what is her stlye, your
opinion of her, etc.... i just recieved free tickets, and am wondering if i
should go see her...
anyone?
thanks,
leslie mackrell

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a quickie.

i just recently purchased back on the bus y'all (i know i'm behind the
times) and saw that on the back cover of the leaflet amy and emily are on
the wrong side of each other. the photograph is washed in red light and i
was wondering possibly if anyone else noticed this.

maybe the photograph was just developed wrong??

-alanna

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ok, just a small question...i just went to the ig concert at dartmouth,
and i can't remember the name of the opening band...i think the guy's
name was sean...something...help!!! this is bothering me!!!
--michi

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hey folks,

this is off sonicnet - http://www.sonicnet.com/

-sherlyn

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second school axes indigo girls gig
but this time principal says it's because of lesbian duo's vulgar
lyrics, not their sexuality.

a day after learning that a south carolina high-school principal
called off an upcoming campus show by the lesbian folkie group
indigo girls, another high-school principal has decided to cancel
a gig by the duo at his school.

only this principal says it has nothing to do with their sexuality,
but rather their lyrics.

claiming that he is trying to maintain an atmosphere conducive to a
good education, germantown high school principal ernest chism said
he decided late thursday to call off the gig scheduled for next
tuesday at the germantown, tenn., school after finding out that the
grammy-winning musicians used vulgarities onstage at a show in
georgia.

"we canceled the show [thursday] based on the lyrics to a song they
performed at loganville high school in georgia," chism explained,
referring to the indigo girls tune "shame on you" (realaudio
excerpt). the song, off the folkie duo's shaming of the sun, includes
a line that says: "me and jesus, we're of the same heart/ the only
thing that keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up."

chism, who first learned about the cancellation of the indigo girls'
gig at irmo high school in irmo, s.c., on thursday, claims that he
has never heard the indigo girls' music and that his decision has
nothing to do with the duo's homosexuality. rather, after learning
that the duo had sung those lyrics at the show at loganville high
school on april 13, chism said he called principal ken prichard there
to discuss the situation. "i know very well what's acceptable on this
campus, and those types of words are not acceptable," chism said. "we
don't let students use words that strong and we don't use that
language."

the indigo girls -- singer/guitarists amy ray and emily saliers --
have been playing high schools and universities over the past month
as a warm-up for their appearances on this year's popular all-women
lilith fair and as a way to reach out to their younger fans in a
smaller setting. their may 7 show at irmo high school, one of five
that had been slated for next week, was canceled earlier this week by
principal gerald witt following complaints from parents and students
concerning the indigo girls' homosexuality as well as the idea of
holding a concert during a school assembly.

not everyone at germantown high school is buying chism's story. katie
fort, a 15-year-old staff reporter at the pitchfork, germantown high
school's student newspaper, said many of the students at her school
think that the cancellation has a lot to do with the fact that ray and
saliers are lesbians. "every single class i've gone to today, the
topic of discussion has been the indigo girls," fort said. "some
people think it is because they're lesbians. some people think it's
because of the incident in georgia. everyone has their own theories."

fort, a fan of the indigo girls, said she thinks that if principal
chism canceled the concert due to that lyric in "shame on you," he made
a mistake. "that one lyric isn't at all indicative of their work," she
said.

meanwhile, students at irmo high school will be protesting the
cancellation of the indigo girls' performance at their school by
staging a walk-out. jane rish, spokeswoman for school district 5 board
of education, which is home to the 1,800-student irmo high, said the
students are distributing flyers stating that the walk-out will occur
at 8:45 a.m. on thursday, the day the indigo girls were scheduled to
play.

national gay and lesbian task force spokeswoman tracey conaty is also
skeptical of chism's explanation for the cancellation. "we have to
accept it at face value," she explained. "but if he had concerns about
the girls singing those lyrics, you would think he would have expressed
those concerns. not to have any dialogue seems a little dubious."

in a statement released thursday, saliers said she felt that the
cancellations were a clear case of discrimination.

"we are saddened and angry to hear that our show at irmo high school
has been canceled," saliers said. "it is a blatant case of homophobia.
the show was canceled because we are gay."

elizabeth glenn, 17, pitchfork assistant editor, however, backs
principal chism and said he was just doing his job. "in our newspaper,
they have a lot of control over what we put out because they have to
watch what the students are exposed to," glenn explained. "it's not at
all a matter of politics. it's a matter of making sure germantown is
not exposed to anyone promoting bad language."

indigo girls manager russell carter, who had not yet officially heard
from principal chism, said that he was disappointed by the
cancellation. he also said the students of germantown high school
should look to the media if they want someone to blame for the
cancellation. "we probably have you guys to thank for that," carter
said. "he probably keeps getting calls from you and thinks there is
going to be some sort of problem."

carter also said that the indigo girls were still working on putting
together a free concert at an undisclosed location on thursday to make
up for the cancellation at irmo high school.

the tour was to stop friday (may 1) in atlanta at the midtown music
fest and then play river stages in nashville, tenn., on sunday before
hitting franklin high school in franklin, tenn., on monday and
farragut high school in knoxville, tenn., on wednesday.

for students, staff and administrators in irmo, this has been an
exciting couple of days. "we're coming off a very long week," said
karen flowers, advisor for the stinger, irmo high school's student
newspaper. "it's the day before prom and this just happened a couple of
days ago," flowers explained friday (may 1), "so it's been quite hectic
around here."

-- randy reiss:
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oh ya, never had even heard of her except from here on the ig list, but friday
night at the ani difranco concert in birmingham, al, she opened, and oh my,
she kicks some serious ass! yup! oh yea, did i mention how cool ani was? :)
he he he...

take care,

~~trooper~~

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hey y'all!!

i just returned from an awesome weekend in decatur(hotel)/atlanta, ga.  i had
a lot of fun and was only four people from the front row right in front of
amy.  it was incredible.  i loved it.  although others that went have already
pointed out that the crowd was a little rowdy and some were way too young to
be smokin' some of the stuff they were smokin'.  no joke.  i was getting high
just standing closeby and there was no way i was giving up my spot and not see
the indigo girls up close.  it was a good show, they were trying to fit in a
lot of songs in the little time that they were given.  they obviously enjoyed
being back close to home.

now, about dgtgag, i have a couple of questions . . . i have noticed that it
has disappeared from some of the recent setlists, is there a reason?  also, do
you think it is possible that maybe amy has gotten over the hurt?  that may be
a questions that no one on the list can answer but i just thought i would put
it out there.  please don't flame me, i am just curious, i love the passion
and heart that amy puts into this song.  it is a great song, makes me cry.
anyway, that was just my little questions for you to think about.

also, a little nigc. can anyone tell me anything about michelle malone. i
saw her at eddie's attic this weekend and would like to know a little more
about her and her music, and why has it been that she hasn't been playing
shows lately? she said she was still recovering. e-mail me privately on this
one.

thanks for reading. please if i am only bringing up old business, i am sorry.
i have been delete happy with all of the nigc floating aorund. thanks.

jillian :-)

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hey all

is everybody not interested in the videos of mesa az 8/96 and fl  5/8/91 ???
i dunno bout other branches, but i have only gotten one request for these (and
when on the road to austin came out  got swamped with requests) and they are
awesome videos...seeing ig and kristen hall sing "free fallin" and "daddy's
all gone" was awesome...and for those people that didnt get to see the demo
tour this is it...  i have no idea why i feel like everyone should have these
i just think they are cool and shouldnt be passed up.  anyways..if you want em
email me.

ok and who has boots from the latest college tour ??? i know some people do
out there and i am dying for some, so if anybody wants to trade let me know.

can you all tell i have nothing better to do right now ???
peace
sasha

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hi.  here's the latest of what i heard on this....
in the song shame on you, we all know that there is the "f-word."  well,
apparently, in the show at that high school, amy accidentally slipped and said
the word.  she wasn't going to say it, it sounded like, but when she got to
that part, it just slipped.  then, immediately after she said it, she
apologized for slipping.
by the way, the principal of that school also said in a statement that he hears
that word being used in the hallway all the time, that he just doesn't think it
was appropriate in an assembly.  come on people...for crying out loud...the
woman didn't mean to!

sharon

ljebsen wrote:

> so what's the story with the "f" word being used by amy at another school
> performance?  according to the state, this happened in loganville, ga.  it
> sounds like the band & their spokespeople don't deny it.  has anyone seen a
> statement from amy on the issue?
>
> lisa j.,
> who got her lilith fair tix for albuquerque today :):):)
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i was just wondering if anyone was planning to go to the show in
columbia that has been rescheduled.  i'm going, but i wish i were a
student so i could be close enough to the stage to hold up a sign.  :)
gee, it would be interesting if mr. witt (irmo's principal) showed up.
i should invite him.  i wonder if he remembers me from my last two years
at irmo high school when he became principal...hmmmm.... ;-)

sharon

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amanda said this:

<<holding hands, while walking, in a restaurant, at a concert? is it
having your hand on your lover's knee? is it having
your arm around them? kissing them? (as in i'm
meeting my lover at some place and i see "them" and
we kiss. is that bad?) or is it groping? >>

hey y'all, i just have to jump in on this pda discussion because i think i
have a relevant observation.  that said, i am prepared to be attacked.  i'm
straight, but for a couple of years now, i've been a big fan of a local
lesbian band which plays for an almost exclusively lesbian audience.  i've
seen probably 20 shows and been one of maybe 10 straight people out of 200
attendees at each show.  i've observed from the very first show that the
lesbian crowd is really into public hugging, kissing, lap sitting, etc.  i've
been married 12 plus years and am 38 years old, so i've seen my share of
concert crowds and pda's in my time, and it reminds me of how we used to act
in high school when it was all kind of new.  which brings me to what i think
is happening.  not that it's a bad thing at all, it's just a new thing for
lesbians to have a place where they can be physically affectionate, and, hey,
they love it!  i'm not offended by it at all (in fact i secretly dig watching
it), but i'd be lying if i said i didn't observe a difference from hetero
crowds.  even in the wildest crowd of straight folks, i don't see that level
of physicality.  so, i'm not making this observation in any kind of mean,
judgmental, i hate lesbians kind of way, it's just a valid observation i've
made over the past couple of years.  and that's what bonnie thinks.

bon

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is any one planning to boot the may 8 show in austin? please tell me someone
is...
val

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ofelia81 wrote:

> for those of you who are familiar with dar williams- what is her stlye, your
> opinion of her, etc.... i just recieved free tickets, and am wondering if i
> should go see her...
> anyone?
> thanks,
> leslie mackrell

riiight, no, umm, i think you shouldn't go, how about just handing those tickets
over to me, she's really not that good..... :-)
the woman is amazing.  i went to see her this summer just because some ani
web-page mentioned her - i hadn't heard her stuff, nada.  i was sold by the end
of the concert.  she had me crying (seriously - the babysitter song gets me
every time - and i heard it for the first time live, y'know?) and laughing (the
christians and the pagans!!).  she's very folky, very... wholesome with a
twist.  a pure voice, a very young voice - she can get away with saying things
that other voices couldn't necessarily, if you get my drift.  and her lyrics are
poetic and deep and real and beautiful.  if you've got free tickets, girl,
go....!!!!
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in a message dated 98-05-03 17:49:33 edt, you write:

<>

i had read in that amy quit singing "blood and fire" because, she wrote it
about something that she was going through at the time. i was wondering the
same thing myself today listening to sots and, shes so emotional when she
sings dgtgag and i was thinking that pretty soon she's not going to feel that
same hurt any more. she doesn't sing b&f because if she did it wouldn't be
real, she would be faking it, and it's not true to her feelings anymore. she
doesn't feel "forsaken" anymore and it might not be too long before she's not
feeling "not dignified anymore".
imho
val

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search indigo-girls ghost

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search indigo-girls newport folk festival

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oohh sorry sorry sorry
my face is bright red if you could see it y'all would laugh so hard
and here i am so annoyed with all of the nigc lately
oh man newbie faux pas
i'm so sorry!

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anyone home? you guys have been suspiciously quiet this afternoon.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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its backwards, i noticed it before too. i think they got the slide turned
around before they printed it. i'm not sure but i think its happened on more
than just that cd.

peace, k

alanna wrote:

> a quickie.
>
> i just recently purchased back on the bus y'all (i know i'm behind the
> times) and saw that on the back cover of the leaflet amy and emily are on
> the wrong side of each other. the photograph is washed in red light and i
> was wondering possibly if anyone else noticed this.
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hey folks (and rachel :) -

this was sent to the news-only list, but i think it's
a bit more appropriate for here instead...

ta,
sherlyn
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hey y'all!

we were also at music midtown, thanks to our mama duck (lisa), the 9 of us
managed to stay mostly together, and if you were there, you know how difficult
this must've been.  i have to say, that as far as ig concerts go, this show
was one of the best and worst.  we were crammed in like sardines and there
were several people close to the front who were either too drunk to stand or
too high to even know where they were.  there were fights amidst the crowd
between drunk teenagers (during paula cole's set) and during the ig show,
there were several scary people who must've wandered in by accident and made
it a tense time for those of us around them.  two young women were carried out
because they passed out.  that part of the concert was something i'd like to
forget.  nevertheless, the set list was great and it was our first time at an
atlanta ig show.  best of all, something happened at the end of the show that
restored my faith in people.  after the crowds cleared, sulli threw out a few
picks and i almost caught one...i walked away, lamenting the fact that i've
never caught a pick, when a young woman tapped me on the shoulder and said,
"this is for you..."  i couldn't believe my eyes when she handed me the yellow
pick!  i thanked her and felt that nothing more could be better....

it was a great night!

rachel & chris :)))))

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...make me so sad.  all these people who haven't heard the music, don't
know the message, just hear one *bad* word (that the kids have been
saying since they were like 9 anyways) or find out someone's gay (and
thereby *obviously* possessing questionable morals)and boom, cancel the
show.  don't they know what they're doing?!  okay, all the gay kids in
those schools now know that what they are is something to be ashamed of,
to be avoided at all possible costs, that gay is evil and bad and not
something kids should be "exposed" to.  do these men-- supposedly doing
things in the students' best interest-- realize what they're telling all
the questioning or gay kids under their jurisdiction?  and what about
all the little homophobes already running around those halls?  their
views are just being affirmed!  this makes me so so sad i could cry.  it
is so not fun to be gay in high school, or to be rumored to be gay, or
to be picked on because people think you are.  so many kids cannot take
it and commit suicide, or turn to drugs and alcohol or just flunk out.
i'm in a group that does panel presentations on "hi, i'm *gay* and i'm a
real person" for high schools to attempt to reduce homophobia.  and
there is so much homophobia in these schools, oh my god.  we've had some
panelists afraid they'd be beaten up by football players several years
younger than them.  it's ridiculous.  i'm so tired of all the homophobia
in this world, i'm so depressed by it all.  by the fact that i have to
*hide* who i am from my family and coworkers and all the kids at the
daycare i work for because what i might be is something that's bad and
evil and sick and something that kids should be *protected* from.  all
the other female camp counselors (it's a day camp) have their boyfriends
visit them; they flash around photos of them and their guys together at
disneyland or whatever.  can *i* do that?  no!  can i bring a girl i'm
involved with to the camp? no, because i'd probably get fired and the
kids would shreik and run and tell the other counselors (internalized
homophobia sets in at quite an early age-- try 2nd grade) and all the
parents would hear about it and object.  why do i have to cry about
this?  why can't i just be whatever it is i am, do whatever it is i do,
without people questioning my morals, my goodness, my whatever.  amy ray
and emily saliers make the most flat-out beautiful music i've ever
heard.  that's what drew me to them in the first place.  their lyrics
taken directly out of the bible.  their perpetual hope and faith in the
goodness of humanity (the same humanity which spits in their eye). their
strength, their spirituality.  it's magic to me.  i can't even verbally
explain what i gain from listening to them.  how can these principals
not see that?  how can they ignore the message in favor of hating the
messenger?  whenever i am feeling particularly unhappy, or having what
i've heard termed "identiy icks" (meaning i'm spazzing over maybe being
"that way"), i think of amy and emily, of their beauty and their power.
how they are so proud of who and what they are.  how they find strength
in it, in their beliefs.  how these two *lesbians* can create something
so majestic and awe-inspiring.  and i think to myself, ya know, there's
no reason for me to feel like a bad person, or an immoral person or
whatever else society thinks i should be down on myself for, because the
things which i love the most are fully embodied in two gay women and the
music they create.  there's no way they could be bad, *bad* persons to
have so much beauty in them.  they are gay and they are so so good.  so
i can think i am too.  (maybe this is twisted logic, but it *feels*
right to me).  you can be such a wonderful, kind, loving, giving
person-- yes, even if you are (gasp) gay.  i wish someone would tell the
queer students at irmo that.

too tired to be fighting mad so i'm just really sad and babbling,
jill

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heather davis (heather@coaps.fsu.edu ?) please email me, i can't get
mail thru to you....
thanks,
jill

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you know what really cracks me up about these cancellations?  here in my
hometown in lancaster in the last few years, the dean at millersville was
caught groping an undercover cop in a video dohicky place.  busted, long
married, well respected...etc.  he goes private to fiddle with someone elses
faddle...recently, a well respected teacher here in lancaster county was
caught at longs park in the bathroom doing *gay* things.  he too is married,
well respected etc.  its amazing how many *straight* people are not so
straight afterall.  i don't mean to bash these homophobic school
administrators, however it makes me wonder it they don't have skeletons in
their closets that they fear may surface by letting the girls play at their
schools...

rambling, and feeling really sad for jill....karen

ps...i've never had to hide my sexual preferences because i am straight,
just imagine. damn, high school was painful enough for a straight chick
who didn't fit in, jill, if i was in high school now, i'd befriend all the
downtrodden...for whatever reason they aredown. you know, been there, done
that wore the tshirt.

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you know what really cracks me up about these cancellations? here
in my hometown in lancaster in the last few years, the dean at millersville
was caught groping an undercover cop in a video dohicky place. busted,
long married, well respected...etc. he goes private to fiddle with
someone elses faddle...recently, a well respected teacher here in lancaster
county was caught at longs park in the bathroom doing *gay* things.
he too is married, well respected etc. its amazing how many *straight*
people are not so straight afterall. i don't mean to bash
these homophobic school administrators, however it makes me wonder it they
don't have skeletons in their closets that they fear may surface by letting
the girls play at their schools...

rambling, and feeling really sad for jill....karen

ps...i've never had to hide my sexual preferences because i am straight,
just imagine. damn, high school was painful enough for
a straight chick who didn't fit in, jill, if i was in high school now,
i'd befriend all the downtrodden...for whatever reason they aredown.
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hey folks,

there's an interesting article at "the state" newspaper site:
check out http://www.thestate.com/front1.htm.

it's an article about a gay pride march in south carolina;
there are a few mentions of the girls and it also contains
the choice quote "if they're going to be gay, they should
stay home." (that one made me laugh out loud!)

anyway -
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just had to let y'all know i met the coolest people in line for lilith
tix this am!!  they did the lottery thing & the number picked was 4
behind me...which means i got booted to the way back of the line. :( i
was soooo bummed 'cause even tho shoreline (mtn. view, ca) has two dates
for lilith i was worried about getting tix.  so there we were  grumbling
together at the end of the line & 3 of us decided to pull out our handy
cel phones & call bass tix to get a jump on it!  my battery died, this
other woman's battery died & after standing in line for over 2 hours,
this one guy finally got through on the phone.  he ordered his own tix &
then he bought tix for me & put it on his credit card!!  we got upper
level center seats and i am so psyched!  good thing too 'cause when i
finally got to the window, the date i wanted was sold out & they only
had lawn for the second date!  tix to lilith, a new friend, and spent
the rest of the day jammin' to the girls...what more could i ask for?!?

until next time,
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subject: re: it won't take long

>it's a song by ferron, on the phantom center cd.

actually, it is on ferron's "shadows on a dime"
cd, the last of her 7 available cds i finally got.
me oh my, i was wondering if "it won't take long"
was actually recorded rather than just written
by her.  i'm happy to confirm, yep, she does sing
it, albeit less snappy and rocky than ig.  i love
ferron, but i get into ig's version of "it won't take
long" more.  that is one of my all-time-favorite
ig covers.  the song should really be called
"this song's so long".  sheesh, kind of like
ig's pete seeger cover "letter to eve" on the
pete seeger tribute album...and like "tangled
up in blue"....ig seem to like to make their
cover songs j-a-m for a l-o-n-g time, which is
one reason why i often think ig's versions of these
songs are better than the originals.

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subject: bad lilith review

in response to the review sherlyn
reprinted for us.....

>lilith fair

>sarah mclachlan, paula cole, and more (arista)

>a dose of indie rock would have been nice.
>... the organizers leaned toward musicians who specialized
>in genteel, touchy-feely, sensitivity- session pop.

>the tour truly was lilith-white.... the slew of soul sisters
>joining in, including erykah badu and missy elliott, could give the
>audience a collective heart attack.

>not everyone, male or female, knows what's best for a compilation.
> as an album, lilith is only fair.
>-- david browne

i hate to say this.....i agree.  on the whole, the lilith compilation
just didn't grab me.  everything tends to sound the same as
i continue to listen to it.  i am still disturbed by the lack of
black artists on this compilation.  i agree with david browne that
a more diverse mix of artists and styles, including more indie
artists and a some soul and r&b influences, would've made the
cd more listenable, interesting, and entertaining, imho.

lisa :)

okay so i didn't buy the cd.....but i was at border's the other day
listening to it and after that i'm not sure i will......did anyone else
notice that the sound quality was rather poor....or is it just me?
anyway, the little pieces i listened to didn't grab me....and to me the
sound was terrible so that made me want to listen to it even less....

another highlight of the weekend was trying to buy tickets for lilith
fair in detroit.....what a joke! 10:08am my friend calls ticketbastard
and the pavillion is sold out for the friday show...sold out for the
saturday show and there are a couple of blocks of two left for the sunday
show.....so :p on the season ticket holders and :p on the radio stations
who take up all the seats.....and i know you're saying, well why not sit
on the lawn.....well if it were a lawn and not a dirt hill, i might
consider it....and if there were more shade so i wouldn't fry in the
sun....i might consider it.....anyway.....off to my algebra exam.....

peace y'all...

janice

>its backwards, i noticed it before too. i think they got the slide turned
>around before they printed it. i'm not sure but i think its happened on more
>than just that cd.

if the slide was turned around emily would be playing the guitar left handed.
it's just one of those shots where they're singing on "opposite-of-normal"
sides. it's interesting, but definately not reversed.

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sorry, i had hoped this wouldn't be necessary... but...

this a clarification re: my "this is one of those annoying personal nigc
rants..." about nigc of sat 2 may 1998, 08:19 edt -- in which i stated
that "nigc is not evil."

maybe i should have been more specific in my little rant. i do have
a problem with those who use the list to talk back and forth (list
friendships) about nigc instead of going private. and i have a
problem when people *constantly* and *consistently* use the list to
tell us all about their personal lives (nigc). and i do have a
problem when nigc list discussions get out of hand and keep going. i
wasn't really addressing those issues.

i also have a problem when people try to police the list themselves
and try to tell folks what they can and cannot discuss -- we've all
read the faq (or we certainly *should* anyway) -- instead of letting
sherlyn be our eloquent and very competent traffic cop, when she
thinks that there's a need.

as for those listers with older, outdated email programs, very slow
modems, and limited server kb allowances (because of financial, school,
or employment constraints) -- who wish to sub to the bounce version of
the reg ig list anyway, instead of going to digest or news only -- and
yet still expect others on the list to inhibit themselves to needs of
the few... i wish there was a solution that would help. i just wouldn't
want to see the ig list become like other conservative music mailing
lists (which i mentioned in my original post).

once again, for those new to the list who haven't bothered to read the
faq -- "nigc" is an acronym for "no indigo girl content" -- which should
be used in the subject header for list posts which contain nigc.

and, as i ended my original post on this very nigc subject about nigc...

we try to welcome here all those who love the music and ideals of indigo
girls.

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ok, love the song...but wtf *is* a scooter boy exactly??

randy, who has wondered about this since first hearing the song...
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hello!

i was wondering if anyone from the list is going to the austin concert on
the 8th and would like to get together before or after the show. i'm
sitting on the grass.... i have no idea which side, but i am thinking about
bringing a sign anyway. i'm excited about the concert!! whoohoo!

--jamie

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at 10:11 am 5/4/98 -0400, randy rodriguez wrote:
>ok, love the song...but wtf *is* a scooter boy exactly??
>
the question i've been trying to answer as well. does anyone know why amy
directly implicated "scooter boys" in colonial terrorism? i keep
visualizing images from the who's quadrophenia! any help on this would be
greatly appreciated! thanks, jill

k, ian asked who reads comic books so how 'bout
this...though there hasn't been much posted i don't
want to get yelled at by admin....so, if you want to
answers ian's question email me and i'll give it
about a week and post a listing of what's being read.

judging by the mail i've gotten so far, everyone here
loves hhp.

so anyone, reading anything, email me so i can
collect numbers. also, if you want, tell me why you
read what and since when you've been reading them.
(eg i've been reading sip only since dec because my
gf gave me the books as winter gifts.)

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at 10:39 am 5/4/98 -0600, william lowie you said:
>at 10:11 am 5/4/98 -0400, randy rodriguez wrote:
>>ok, love the song...but wtf *is* a scooter boy exactly??
>>
>the question i've been trying to answer as well. does anyone know why amy

the most unusual theory i've heard so far is that scooters are to south
american cities what bicycles are to chinese ones. therefore scooter boys
are urbanites/up-and-coming folks in some sense.

not my theory, and welcoming all others. . .

tony
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taurus- this is a good day to meet people and make new friends, a
person can never have too many of the good kind. work is steady and with
out incidence today which suits you fine after fridays hectic rush.
relax in the evening with a spouse and get ready for the next rush.

happy birthday !!!!!

may 4 ('75)
sac83826@saclink1.csus.edu (teresa c. esguerra)

may 10th, (79)
agreenb1@swarthmore.edu- alisa

if you would like to be added to the birthday list, please email me with
your email address, birthday, and if you want, a little quote thingy,
and i'll stick you up!!!

much love to all

the birthday goddess

jo anne
"how many fates turn around in the underground?"- tori amos (new cd out
today!!!!)

joanne.cusick@cexp.com

hi everyone- in honor of my 2 year anniversary (thursday) and the end of
finals (also thursday) i have declared (with all of the powers i do
possess) this week watershed week. :) mostly i am curious about all of
your impressions on this song, and to see if anyone else out there loves
it as much as me! :) i love the line "learning to face the path at your
pace, every choice is worth your while"! every time i hear it i get these
wonderful chills! :)

-paula (who is giddy and sleep deprieved and hopeful to hear from
everyone!)
:)

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i have always bought tickets when the indigo girls come to town, and i went to
the first lilith fair. however. tickets for june 23/24 went on sale here
yesterday, and i was not among the people in line. $53 each !!!??? that's a
little ridiculous, considering that basically the same artists as last year
are going to be performing there...and all without new albums to support !!
the same people, singing the same songs, hmm...reeks of greed. and the list of
artists was impressive at first; i was psyched to see missy elliot added. but
only a few of them will be at the show in my town : sheryl, erykah, indigo
girls, and sarah. what a disappointment. btw, i didn't buy the lilith cd
either, and i doubt if i will. damn...i really wanted to see billie myers,
too. =o*{

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wow wow wow! watershed. uggghhh...shan and i were discussing this on da
way home from dickinson -- we're so analytical. :) shan's
words..."there's just something about it...it's just makes me feel so
hopeful, but at the same time, it makes me so saaaaad! i don't get it!"
my words?! "no shit!"  heh heh...she's the serious one :), i'm theee
uhhh....not. :) seriously though, the part where amy busts out with "up
on the watershed..." all by her lonesome, just makes me wanna bawl..
i don't quite understand it...it's like she's taking her little
opportunity to sing and she's running fast and far...i love it. so, we
try to sing this one all the time and i never fail to mess up amy's
part... ;) i just think that's so awesome -- it's a reaaally difficult
song...really hard guitar and killer harmony...wow. :)
whenever i hear it though...*every* time i hear it, my mind starts to
see that part in watershed when all o' the people are in line at red
rocks...funny, isn't it?!  just like whenever i hear "the wood song" i
can hear emily talkin' about her lipstick. :)  heh heh....life is *good*
and i'm almost done with this semester...praise god!

good luck to those of you who are workin' hard... ;o

bethany ;)

i don't know if this is worth saying, but i named my guitar watershed.  it
was my first steel string guitar, and it was a washburn.  on the back of the
guitar at the bottom of the neck there was painted a w and a beautiful w it
was.  it's existance was so minute, yet so noteworthy, that i had to give it
a name starting with a w to give that calligrified (is this a word) w full
credit.  so, while listening to ig on random on my stereo, the first song,
after the w made its existance known to me, was watershed.  i've since
traded the guitar, but the song is still with me.  my new guitar is called
fugitive. (i bought the guitar a day before i came out to my parents.  the
day i came out [which was a horrible experience] i was listening to swamp
ophelia.  i started listeing to fugitive and the day's event haunted me.  as
i was listening and playing at the same time, i knew what my new guitar's
name was/is.  my guitar has symbolic meaning to me. with almost everything
i've been through or had the honor of experienceing, my guitar has usually
beena  part of it.  it's been to lilith with me, been on many camping trips,
and most of all has been my way of releasing anger and creating beauty.
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hey all!

well yeah it's been more than a week, but i *have* to post on this virginia
slam! concert or i just might explode. seriously. so i promise to try and
relive only original unposted moments and i'll be brief (i swear!)...

okay first of all, what the event lacked in orginization was more than made up
for by the setup.  for once waiting in line was almost as much fun as the
concert itself...primarily cause amy and emily themselves walked right by us and
said "hi" on their way into soundcheck.  and everyone was cool (i think this was
mainly due to the fact that no one but me realized they were walking by until
they were out of sight).  but even after they came out again and headed into a
nearby restaurant, the whole line maintained composure and nobody attempted to
follow them in (yay!).  it was great to see everyone respecting their personal
space, but honestly i'll never get used to seeing amy and emily just walking
down the street all by themselves.

so honestly sitting on the streets of new york city...not as bad as it sounds.
i loved san fransisco, but really and truly market street was 80 billion times
worse than irving plaza in nyc. but both venues are wonderful (on the inside).
at slam we were standing about as close to the stage as humanly possible without
actually being seated in amy's and emily's laps. i didn't even hold up signs
cause i didn't want to risk whacking one of them in the knee.

okay, so on to the set...chickenman.  very sweet.  right before they start into
chickenman someone yelled "galileo" (there's always a couple in the crowd).  so
amy laughs and says: "we're gonna do that i promise.  we *always* do galileo.
it's a standard.  we have some standards."  and then someone in the audience
gets desperate and yells out "please!!!" and amy and emily respond as follows:

fan: "please!!!"
emily:  "aww.  don't beg.  it's okay.  wait...did you say 'please' or 'peace'?
amy: "the set is falling apart!"
emily: "oh no!  it's all coming down on our heads!"
amy:  "but we only have very few songs left.  and when it starts falling apart
       it's best to leave instead of trying to fix it.  oh.  what i meant was...
       which reminds me of a story...i am an only child..."

and at the beginning of amy's solo a cappella part the audience is at full
participation and sings "defending *my* land" really loudly while amy pauses and
then sings "defending *the* land", then laughs and gently corrects us: "i
changed that from 'my' to 'the'." well it was funny at the time...

and towards the end of "chickenman" right before the rapped/spoken chorus she
adds:

tonight i was sleepin' on a mountain top
got about as far...?
in the morning i'll go down when the sun comes up
take a drink from the...?

can anyone tell me what she says here? is this hers or someone else's? oh!
right after this is that cool harmony part of emily's that i was talking about
in carlisle. if you get a boot, check this part out!

and finally (sorry it wasn't so short after all), i did hold up one sign right
after shed your skin asking about "the hangman" and "milagro" and complimenting
her on her beautiful pronunciation of "milagro" (listen to it...she's *really*
good at tapping that "r" every time!!!).  so anyway, after she read it she
walked over to me (about half a step) and leaned over to tell me about
"hangman".  she basically said that it was a symbol for death, and didn't really
elaborate on "milagro" (mabye feeling shy about my compliment of her accent) but
from what she did say i got the feeling "milagro" and "hangman" are sort of
representative of the life/death dicotomy.  miracle of life, looming presence of
death.  something like that.  it'll never be as elloquent coming from me...

cut it out/wish you were here...i think what amy's saying at that one part right
before the transition is "i'm so together now." does that ring bells for
anyone?

did anyone mention the 2 organizations that received money from the event that
night? they were sister power organization harlem's youth partnership for
health. i think that's it. thanks for letting me relive. take care all...

marivel

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stephanie merhar wrote:

> -regarding "don't give that girl a gun" - i know the lyrics "she's already won/one"
> aren't in the lyric booklet because amy likes the ambiguity.  but for the life of me i
> can't think of how it could be "one".  she's already one, as in she's already a gun?  um,
> that doesn't make sense.  anyone have any thoughts?

i suspect amy wrote it as "she has already won", but i kind of like the image of the
subject of the song actually being a gun in some sense - angry and dangerous, perhaps.
there was a story on the list last year that, during the course of the "demo tour",
someone asked amy which it was, and that her reply was something like "wow, that
never occurred to me - i like the ambiguity", without saying which was her original
meaning. does anyone else remember that?

tom

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date: mon, 4 may 1998 16:02:01 -0400
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hey folks-

haven't done this in a while. sadly, there's no ig on tv upcoming --
unless it'll be on news shows about homophobic high school
administrators...

here's a highly opinionated survey of the coming week and month --
thanks to www.rockontv.com

*check your local listings for specific times -- all are night shows*

mon 04 may   fox    ally mcbeal     vonda shepard - video premiere
(tonight)                             of show's theme song (appears
                                      immediately before the show)

tue 05 may comedy viva variety luscious jackson - musical guest
sat 09 may channel
sun 10 may

wed 06 may nbc conan o'brien lisa loeb - musical guest

thu 07 may pbs charlie rose michael stipe (talk show)

fri 08 may abc in concert bonnie raitt

sat 09 may  comedy  movie: hairspray   john water's 1988 classic
sun 10 may  channel                      freak film. features:
                                         ric ocasek, debbie harry,
                                         late sonny bono

sun 11 may fox king of the hill ani difranco and late
(animated) tammy wynette (voices)

mon 11 may nbc jay leno tori amos - musical guest

wed 13 may cbs d letterman bonnie raitt - musical guest

tue 19 may vh1 vh1: storytellers shawn colvin (premiere)

wed 20 may abc dharma & greg michelle shocked - special guest

fri 22 may abc in concert ani difranco, counting crows,
stereophonics

wed 27 may   pbs    austin city    big blues extravaganza - best of
                     limits          special (premiere) with many
                                     of today's coolest blues folks
                                     (a must see)

sat 30 may pbs sessions at luscious jackson and fiona apple
west 54th (rebroadcast)

sat 06 jun pbs sessions at sheryl crow and gillian welch
west 54th (rebroadcast)

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date: mon, 4 may 1998 16:27:21 -0400
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hey! i am soooooooooooooooo glad that we have decided to discuss this
song because it is by far one of my faves!

i heard it live in columbus in december, and it sounded so amazing.

anyway, when i was having a lot of crisis during my junior year of high
school, this song really got me through. i realized that sure, my life
was kind of sh*tty, but that i could completely start over if i wanted
to. i could control my life and chose what i wanted to do. so it was
such a helpful song to listen to back in the days.

of course, i still like it. i like the upbeatness of it. and i think
that it is one of emily's best songs lyrically.

anyway, that is my two cents on the song!

:-) karen (who is done with finals!!!!!!)

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*"so we're okay, we're fine, baby i'm here**
*to stop your cryin', chase all the ghosts**
*from your head, i'm stronger than the******
*monster beneath your bed, smarter than the*
*tricks played on your heart, we'll look at*
*'em together then we'll take 'em apart,****
*adding up the total of a love that's true**
*multiply life by the power of two." indigo*
*girls (emily saliers)**********************
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*http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/~klrosenb**

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date: mon, 4 may 1998 10:43:46 -0400
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hey folks,

this past friday, my word processor's monitor finally kicked the bucket.
since i plan to buy a real computer in a month or so, i am just going to
use my work e-mail account.  since i don't have much time to e-mail while
i'm at work, i will be unsubscribing to the regular list and subscribing to
the news-only list in the interim.  if anyone needs to get in touch with
me, e-mail me from this day forward at
110526.3474@compuserve.com    (i am closing my home compuserve account).

btw, the atlanta and nashville shows this weekend were awe inspiring!
since i haven't been able to access my mail, i don't know whether anyone
has posted about the nashville show or not.  awesome!  one of the best ig
shows i've seen.  steve earle joined them onstage playing harmonica on soy.
very cool moment - the audience loved it!   alana davis sang the third
verse of ctf, and did a great job. they had to teach her the lyrics before
they started, and before the verse, they extended their playing so amy
could go over the lyrics with alana again.  but, like i said, she did a
great job with it and seemed to really be excited about singing it.  when
they brought her out onstage, amy said "we just met!  we're friends!"
i didn't take a notepad (bad, bad joan) so i didn't write down the setlist.
i tried to memorize it, but i'm bound to get everything out of order.  i
will sit down and try to reconstruct the setlist later (in the event
someone hasn't already posted it).

thanks, and don't forget to e-mail me at my new addy if'n ya need ta get
ahold of me... :-)

peace,

joan :-d

so, did any of you in the area hear exactly what whfs is doing for lilith
tix?  i heard them give away a few this morning on my way to school, but
i missed what exactly the deal was.  all i know is that i need at least 6
tickets and they don't go on sale till next saturday.  does anybody know
what the limit of tix you can get is?  and did anybody ever find out if
it is protix that is doing the merriweather shows, as usual?  after last
year's no ig at merriweather i have to take advantage of them being there
for both shows this year :)  thanks for info...mail me privately :)

carolyn
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date: mon, 4 may 1998 10:00:32 -0500
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>the question i've been trying to answer as well. does anyone know why amy
>directly implicated "scooter boys" in colonial terrorism? i keep
>visualizing images from the who's quadrophenia! any help on this would be
>greatly appreciated! thanks, jill

as with most topics, this has been covered on the list at one
point...(that's not a flame, i'm just tryin' to remember what was said...)

i think our consensus was that "scooter boys" are amy's symbol of europe.
you know, when you see things from europe like mentos commercials or fine
young cannibals videos, it seems like everyone's riding scooters around.

and where did colonialism come from? yes, europe. i'm no historian by any
stretch, but it seems like europe (again, represented in a broad sense by
boys on scooters) is the place from which all early attempts to conquer the
world were launched.

hoping i'm right,
justin

i always get chills when amy comes in singing the chorus by herself! my
favorite line: "every 5 years or so i look back on my life & i have a good
laugh."

side note: i love every song off of nis because i saw them in concert for the
1st time on that tour! :)

peace,
lisa j., who's really warm down here in midland tx!!!!

just a random thought--
"here i sit in the land of plenty, crying about my own virginity."

i just brainstormed and remembered this amazing essay by feminist
scholar maria mies, called "colonization and housewifization" (y'all
should read it-- it gives a nice compact history lesson on imperialism,
colonization, slavery, gender disparity, etc. and how they're all
interlinked--the dialectics of it all.  good good read), wherein mies
discusses the differences in how white women and black women were
treated.  seems that the plantation owners used the black women slaves
for sex, since they figured such women had no morals/ family/ class to
hinder them from fully "expressing their sexuality" (read: being raped
by their white owners).  meanwhile, the white women, the plantation
owners' wives, were made to stay in the house, stay pale and soft and
child-like.  integral in this is the mindset that these white women were
silly, frail little creatures who were not mature/ passionate enough to
be sexual creatures.  so they were kept nice and repressed,
semi-virginal.  they were "crying about their own virginity" in the
"land of plenty."

i could be soooo way off it's ridiculous. it's just a thought.
by all means go read the essay for yourself.

jill

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oh this weekend was so amazing! did anyone go to jazzfest and see
ani????? she was so great! we were right up there...like probably 10
feet from the stage and part of that was open space where they wouldn't
let us! :p
i forgot my damned camera again :p :p :p eventually i will take
pictures...*l*
she sang two new songs whose titles could possibly be:
the dance is mine &
come away (or) come away from it

she didn't talk too much..she talked about the spirit of a "real" music
fest as opposed to rocknroll ones...she talked about ppl on the street
recognizing her and just being like, "oh, hey ani" and walkin by. the
whole vibe of the fest was just amazing...it was great to be there where
so many rockin musicians were making music..her new keyboard/everythin
else player...can't remember her name..was really good! she had some
nail trouble but other than that i think it went off ok. we managed to
get her out for an encore..and she did some whacked out stuff with her
guitar..makin the amp screech (does she usually do that???)
at one point it looked like she was hittin herself in the chest with the
guitar..it was intense..she 'bout whipped us all into a frenzy. my poor
dad had to get out of the crowd and my girlfriend just looked really
scared *l*
lel and i of course were just hopin to get it into a full blown mosh pit
but that didn't happen :(
um...aside from the chick right in front of me who kept seeing pink cows
(?) everywhere it was pretty awesome and i definately can't wait to see
ani again! *g*

lamia

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oh yeah the new issue of curve that has sandra bernhard (s/p?) on the
cover has got a fairly large story on michelle malone, and some great
pics! *g*

lamia

ps what did i miss this weekend? anything important??

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what day are most people going to lilith at merriweather buying tix for? sat?
sun? both?

i'm looking for the guitar tab/chords for this song, can't find it
on olga or anywhere else, anyone know where i can find them?

thanks,
valerie

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the brilliant lisa schreihart, covering one of my favorite topics, says:

<<one reason why i often think ig's versions of these
songs are better than the originals. >>

often?  often better????  lisa, let's be reasonable here.  can you name one
song the ig covers for which you prefer the original artist?  my buddy
michelle likes dire straits on r & j, but i can't think of a one.  in fact, i
would dig a cassette tape containing all covers, including some of their
recent concert covers which i haven't heard (blister and wild horses).  oh,
nirvana.  i think this is an excellent demonstration of the girls' talent.
they can take somebody else's song and make it better.  even on the really old
stuff where they cover james taylor etc. they claim those songs and add
something special to them.  lisa, please reconsider that rash statement!
;)

bonnie (listening to down by the river as we speak, and don't they kick neil
young's butt?)

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date: mon, 4 may 1998 19:24:40 -0400
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yes! those songs (esp. come away) were awesome!
i just wanted to tell you her keyboardist's name is julie wolf, and she
has an album of her own - available through ladyslipper *grins*

--audra

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date: tue, 5 may 1998 07:54:01 -0700
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i know i'm resurrecting a dead horse here people (and mixing
a few metaphors for good measure :) ) but i just saw on mtv asia
the lilith piece, with people like sarah mclachlan and a bunch
of people singing closer to fine (which made me stop channel
surfing in my tracks; i hardly ever watch mtv) and i was hoping to
see the girls (mtv mainstream exposure! finally! yay!)

and what do i see? mchlachlan, paula cole, and a couple
others in a press con, and the girls are nowhere to be seen. i
mean, it was their song they were all singing, and couldn't
they have interveiwed them even a little bit??

i know this was dicussed a long time ago, but i just saw
it last night. i didn't really care what you were discussing, not
having seen the spot in question, but now i see what you mean.

mtv sucks!!!!!

sincerely,
ian c.

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wow..........

just wanted to get that out of the way bc watershed is
just......one of those songs for me.

you know how certain songs, upon first listen, don't really
grab you, but if you keep listening to them enough, they eventually
become to ou some of the best songs you ever heard? (most of the
ones on sots for example)

well, watershed is not one of those songs........on my
very first listen the lyrics struck a chord with me; i stopped what i was
doing and just listened. intently. it was.....amazing how emily had
captured perfectly what i was feeling, as if she had written it
specifically for me........

at the time, i was a college freshman on the watershed,
about to make some life decisions that would forever alter my life
whatever the path i took. and if anyone can appreciate what i was
going through then you know that it's a scary, scary place to be
in. but emily's words, beautifully sung, btw....helped me move
forward by telling me that this was good, this was necessary to
my growth as an individual; this was right. it made the choices a
little easier to do.

and considering that this was on the same album as
"hammer and a nail" (you have some choices to make, and
now get off your butt and do something to achieve them!!) is
too right not to be a mere coincicence. emily is truly............ a gift
to us all. that's the best way i can put it.

sincerely,
ian c.

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on mon, 4 may 1998, bonnemot wrote:

> often? often better???? lisa, let's be reasonable here. can you name one
> song the ig covers for which you prefer the original artist?

   romeo and juliet is debatable --- the guitar work in the mark knopfler
version is incredible.  i also like the original version of midnight train
to georgia better.  i'm not sure why ... my mom agrees, but neither of us
can really put a finger on it.  there's something about the soul of the
original, and as billy joel reminds me daily, "it's all about soul."  (8th
row tickets in syracuse in september!!!  i'm so giddy...it'll be as close
as i'll ever come to rock history...)
   neil young?  bob dylan?  no contest.  when did the girls ever cover a
nirvana song?  that would rock!

darius

"i've been fooled about all night
wiped clean always by midnight
wasn't it like an idiot summer..."
---gin blossoms, "idiot summer"

in addition to the article on michelle malone, the new issue of curve also
has a teeny tiny picture of emily in a later article, and mentions her in
relation to the flying biscuit cafe in another article (on atlanta).

sarah

from the faq, which can be found at http://www.users.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig/:

16.14. what is "scooter boys" about?

on "world cafe" in may 1997 amy said, "i don't have anything against
scooter boys.  but it's an image of england to me... i was referring
to the idea of england as an imperialist country.  and argentina as a
country that was colonized.  i mean, i'm talking about colonization."

in the may issue of "stomp and stammer" she explained the song
further.  "well, it's sort of a personal song that turned into a
political song, you know.  imperialism, and such... i think a lot of
people in the us don't think about the fact that central and south
america having similar situations with colonialism, etc.  you may be
a spanish-speaking south american person, but you could be someone
who is a colonizer just as easily as, you know, in north america, we,
the white people, are colonizers."

this isn't a flame, but before you ask about something, try checking the
faq! believe it or not, there are a lot of frequently asked questions
there! ;)

andi

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marivel,

thanks for reliving slam!!!  i can't believe it was just a week ago that i was
there.  it was a truly awesome experience.  i had forgotten to mention the
'rap' at the end of chickenman.  that was so cool.

the "standards" remark was funny, too.  and what about when someone yelled for
them to play elton john!  amy said into the microphone "elton john?"  and i
also loved how everyone stomped their feet after the indigos left the stage
before the encores.  what a night it was!  wow....i'll never forget it and i
don't know how i'm going to go to a concert and sit far, far back...i was
really close to the stage this time and it was definitely worth standing for
hours and hours.

wmntime

hey folks,

more on irmo, from sonicnet (http://www.sonicnet.com)...

-sherlyn

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of 3,000 seats available for rescheduled south carolina gig, 2,000
were reserved for irmo high fans.

randy reiss:

not content to let educators dictate who should hear their music, the
lesbian folk-rock group indigo girls have rescheduled a free concert
for columbia, s.c., students on thursday in direct response to the
cancellation of a gig previously planned for their school.

the show, which was scheduled to take place at irmo high school in
irmo, s.c., was canceled by the school's principal after the
surrounding community complained that the grammy-winning duo are
lesbians. that cancellation was followed by another at a high school
in tennessee.

instead of playing at irmo high school on thursday, singer/guitarists
amy ray and emily saliers will play the 3,000-capacity richland
township auditorium in columbia at 8 p.m. according to epic records
publicist lisa markowitz, 2,000 of those tickets have been set aside
for people who show up with a valid student-identification card while
the remaining seats will be available to the general public for $15.

tickets for the event were made available to students and the public
on saturday, which was also the same day that many students were
taking their standardized aptitude test college-entrance exams. while
he couldn't give out exact numbers, richland township auditorium
spokesperson andre holloman said monday that there were plenty of
tickets left for the event. "the floor is just about filled up," he
said, "so we're mostly looking at balcony seats now."

asked to give an estimate on the number of tickets left, holloman
said there were "probably 900 tickets left for both students and the
public."

the indigo girls have been playing high schools and universities over
the past month as a warm-up for their appearances on this year's
edition of the popular all-women lilith fair and as a way to reach out
to their younger fans in a smaller setting. their thursday show at
irmo high school, one of five shows that had been slated for this
week, was canceled by principal gerald witt following complaints from
parents and students concerning the indigo girls' homosexuality and
following parents' concerns about the group holding a concert during a
school assembly.
a show scheduled to take place tuesday at germantown, tenn.'s
germantown high school was also canceled after the principal there said
he learned that the group used an obscenity onstage during a
performance at the show's first stop, at loganville high school in
loganville, ga., on april 13. the song in question, "shame on you"
(realaudio excerpt), is from their shaming of the sun album and includes
the line: "me and jesus, we're of the same heart/ the only thing that
keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up."

when news of the irmo cancellation broke, saliers issued a statement
condemning the act and vowing to play a show in columbia that same day.
"we are saddened and angry to hear that our show at irmo high school has
been canceled," saliers said. "it is a blatant case of homophobia. the
show was canceled because we are gay."

hootie & the blowfish drummer jim sonefeld and guitarist mark bryan each
wrote letters to the columbia, s.c., newspaper the state on sunday that
condemned the show's cancellation and the negative light it sheds on the
south. "in this case, two respected, nationally prominent artists -- the
indigo girls ... offered a day of their precious time to entertain and
educate," sonefeld wrote, "only to be canceled because of the fear and
ignorance of a small group of people."

bryan's letter was even more direct. "they don't parade around singing
the virtues of homosexuality or try to coax the youth of america into a
gay lifestyle," he wrote. "this [school's] decision was naive and
wrong."

bryan and sonefeld are not alone in their anger over the decision. jane
rish, spokeswoman for school district 5 board of education, which is
home to the 1,800-student irmo high, said flyers are being distributed
stating that a student walk-out will occur at 8:45 a.m. on thur
day, the day the indigo girls were scheduled to play.

"it's likely that there will be disciplinary action taken if the
students involved take this action to the extreme," rish said. "the
principal hasn't decided yet what that will be, but if it only is a few
people for a short period of time, it might not be a big deal."

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- peter mulvey

has anyone ever noticed on disc 2 between the end of song 5 and
the start of song 6 there's a part where a&e are talking but the
timer isn't moving? it says it's all at 6-0:00 (song 6, 0:00 into
the song), but if you start from song 6 it just starts into the
music and you miss the whole talking part.

emily: "we're discussing our setlist, so we can put your song in
        there..."
  amy: "there's a small child asleep up here, it's very sweet...
        oh, not asleep .... oh, i see ... just shy.  well, you
        can sleep, it's ok."
e: "wow.  how old are you? ..... she's that many."
a: "eight, she's eight."
e: "that's neat."
a: "that's pretty good for you, your rock-n-roll shows at eight
    years old, that's pretty good.  you're doing good"

and then it goes straight into "mystery" and the timer starts
back up. anyone seen this before?

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at 03:20 pm 5/4/98 pdt, jill certo wrote:
>just a random thought--
>"here i sit in the land of plenty, crying about my own virginity."

>i could be soooo way off it's ridiculous. it's just a thought.

wanna hear way off? i just turned in a semester project relating american
literature to my life--therefore relating it to ig (thank you to everyone
on the list who helped me). here's so far-fetched relationships i included
in my project (hee hee hee):

related the "harriet the spy" line from caramia to the novel by louise
fitzhugh

related lines from cs to the poems "lady lazarus" and "the bee meeting by
sylvia plath--toss and turn, i spin and learn catch yourself before you
burn gulping smoke...lady lazarus--i turn and burn, ash, ash...flesh and
bone..nothing there...out of the ash i rise with my red hair and i eat men
like air... the queen is in her parlor eating bread and honey the bee
meeting--is she hiding? is she eating honey? she is very clever.

related hammer & a nail to walt whitman's "song of myself"--"...divine am i
inside and out, and i make holy whatever i touch...the scent of these
armpits aroma finer than prayer" h & a n--...look behind my ears for the
green...even my sweat smells clean...

related ptntf to "the soul selects her own society" by emily dickinson
now i met the queen and i understand why she closed the door/the soul
selects her own society--then--shuts the door--to her divine majority...
and also to the bee meeting--"the old queen does not show herself, is she
so ungrateful?"

and many more...and for this it took me a whole semester????? hahahaha
so, jill, i know what ya mean!

toye

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hey folks,

rick asked:
> has anyone ever noticed on disc 2 between the end of song 5 and
> the start of song 6 there's a part where a&e are talking but the
> timer isn't moving? it says it's all at 6-0:00 (song 6, 0:00 into

yep, i noticed it last year and it freaked me out until i started
noticing it other places too. :) apparently it's a technique that's
starting to be used more often. i'm not sure exactly how it's done,
but i think the start marker for track 6 is placed at the beginning
of "mystery", the end marker for track 5 is placed at the end of loc,
and the negative space in between tracks is used to store the intro.
this means you can't actually use track information to get to the
start of the intro, you have to cue it up, either backwards from
"mystery", or forwrads from loc.

another strange side effect is that in some cd players, like the one
in my car, the timer will actually count *backwards* down to zero,
then start going up again *from* zero at the start of "mystery".
bizarro.

the only other place i've noticed it on 1200c is before ctf - i
don't know why they didn't use this technique before least comp and
"galileo" (both of which have intros which are a minute long) but
hey. another example of this is on lucy kaplansky's album "flesh
and bone", which has an entire extra song hidden before the first
track on the album...

anyhow.  back to work for me. :)
sherlyn
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i remember the dialog but i never noticed that the timer stopped! what
were you doing? staring at it? ;) just playin!!

lamia

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>>the timer will actually count *backwards* down to zero,
then start going up again *from* zero at the start of "mystery".

ya know the x-files soundtrack does that..but not on its own..you have
to back it up like 9 minutes to -9:07 to hear a song by nick cave and
the bad seeds...is weird that it is negative though *l*

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> often? often better???? lisa, let's be reasonable here. can you name
one
> song the ig covers for which you prefer the original artist?

although i am absolutely positive that i am probably the only one.....i
have to say that i prefer dylan's "tangled" and elton john's "mona
lisa's...". i am also sure my love of the original versions adds to the
extent of which i love ig's versions and i absolutely love their versions
of these songs, but...well enough said.

~casey

in a message dated 98-05-04 20:40:04 edt, sherlyn@fl.net.au writes:

<< not content to let educators dictate who should hear their music >>

" not content to bow and bend to the whims of culture that swoop like
vultures, eating us away, eating us away."

okay, call me a genius, but maybe if the principal didn't like the f-word
in shame on you he could have just asked amy and emily not to play the
song. sure, it's kinda like censorship, but at least it's not so drastic
as cancellation and it would allow for some discussion between the two
sides. but really i think they're being anal because 99% of the students
use that word anyway, as well do the teachers i'd bet. and, to say one
last thing, it's ridiculous to worry about one bad word in an assembly
because they've been said in assemblies that i've had both at my public
middle school and in my catholic high school. thanks for letting me spew
on the subject.
-sam (the most beautiful girl in a tux)

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at 07:45 pm 5/4/98 edt, bonnemot wrote:
>the brilliant lisa schreihart, covering one of my favorite topics, says:
>
> <<one reason why i often think ig's versions of these
> songs are better than the originals. >>
>
>often? often better????

yeah!!!  i was just saying to my gf last night (as we sat alone in my
living room watching the "big woods" concert doing everything to each other
that everyone has been complaining about seeing at concerts hahahaha) that
ig and mm do "wild horses" better than the stones ever did!!!  i also added
my 2 cents in about how i thought "all along the watchtower" was never done
better than it was by a & e on "live at the uptown lounge."  especially
emily's guitar!!!!  hot

toye

please send me e-mail. thanks!

hey folks,

i found this review on george graham's album review
site (http://georgegraham.com/reviews.html).

cheers -
sherlyn

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indigo girls: shaming of the sun -- by george graham
(epic 67891 as broadcast on wvia-fm 5/7/97)

back in the 1980s, thanks to suzanne vega and tracy chapman there was a
bit of a folk revival on the pop music scene. while there are hundreds
of fine singer-songwriters at least as talented whose records have never
made the charts, the folk revival did open the doors on the major label
music scene for several outstanding artists including mark cohn, david
wilcox, who is back on an independent label, and one of the best-known,
indigo girls.

the atlanta-based duo of amy ray and emily saliers, who prefer not to
use the definite article as part of the group name, have been together
since the latter 1980s, and over the years have developed quite a
following both in the us and also in england, europe, and australia,
where there have been some different versions and some exclusive live
recordings released. in the us there have been seven previous
major-label releases, including two live albums. now they are out with
a cd entitled shaming of the sun, their first studio recording since
1994's swamp ophelia.

ray and saliers are distinctive in how well their vocal harmonies mesh,
and how their songwriting styles contrast. they both write about
equally as much, but ms. ray's material tends to be more hard-edged,
while ms. saliers is the more mellow folkie. their style has evolved
from quite positive and almost spiritual on their early albums to a
more complex, sometimes bittersweet, occasionally ambiguously poetic
approach in the tradition of the great singer-songwriters of the 1960s,
from whom ray and saliers draw inspiration. the new album continues in
that direction with songs that take up, or hint at social issues, to go
along with their activism for environmental, native american and
anti-bigotry causes.

from a stylistic standpoint, this is their rockiest recording yet. peter
collins, a producer known for his work with heavy metal bands, worked
with indigo girls on their last two studio releases, and maintained
their folk roots in those recordings. ray and saliers thank collins, on
shaming of the sun, but this time around co-produced themselves with
engineer david leonard. and they are a little more wide-ranging in their
sound. some would call it adventurous, while others might call part of
it more commercial. they work with some of the same musicians who
appeared on swamp ophelia,. including bassist sara lee and drummer jerry
marotta, who has been in important part of the recent suzanne vega cds,
and singer and multi-instrumentalist lisa germano. there are also some
guests including steve earle, and members of various groups who are
friends of indigo girls, including the bands smoke, big fish ensemble
and ulali. ray and saliers are playing electric guitars as almost as
much on the album as their trademark acoustic guitars. ms. saliers is
also takes up the banjo on several tracks.

the album's more electric sound is a mixed blessing. the more powerful
songs can make a stronger impact, but sometimes they get a little too
electric for my taste. that is compensated for, however, by the
uniformly high quality of the material -- both the ray's edgy songs and
saliers' more folky compositions are literate and melodic.

the album begins with one of ray's songs, shame on you, which
stylistically is reminiscent of bruce springsteen. the lyrics revolve
around a latino community, and touch on the subject of immigration. <<>>

as is the indigo girls custom, they follow that upbeat track with one of
the more laid-back folky songs by emily saliers, get out the map. ms.
saliers gets out her banjo in this song of travelling and
separation. <<>>

ms. saliers also came up with one of the more upbeat songs, it's
alright, which takes a broadside at bigotry in the course of its
narrative. <<>>

a considerable stylistic departure for this folk duo comes on amy ray's
song shed you skin, which starts out with a hip-hop beat... <<>> before
settling into a rock groove with some bittersweet love lyrics. they add
some native-american influenced backing vocals, which on its surface is
a worthwhile idea, but in this case the tend more to distract from rather
than enhance the song. <<>>

one of the most mellow songs is emily saliers' composition called leeds,
named after the english city. amy ray is absent from the track, with the
curious backing vocals provided by the members of ulali. ms. saliers
plays the piano, in this nice love song. <<>>

indigo girls' concern for native americans is reflected in the track
scooter boys, which deals with south american natives in a very rocky
context. <<>>

for me, and i suspect for many other long-time fans of ray and saliers,
probably the highlight of the album is everything in its own time by
saliers, which reminds me of a cross between indigo girls and sting, in
terms of the exemplary quality of the writing and the elegant but
melancholy style. <<>>

the album ends with another of its best tracks, hey kind friend, a mellow
song by the usually more upbeat amy ray. the horn section from the group
smoke, sounding like a salvation army band, adds an interesting touch
along with pennywhistle and dulcimer. except for mispronouncing name of
the state of washington's second largest city for the sake of a rhyme,
it's a fine piece of writing obviously dedicated to someone special. <<>>

shaming of the sun, the new album by indigo girls, marks a considerable
electrification of this folk-based duo's sound. both any ray and emily
saliers play electric guitars, and together with the rest of the band on
the cd, can get quite rocky. sometimes it works, but at others it can get
in the way of the songs, which are some of the best ray and saliers have
yet penned. they continue to mature as writers, creating lyrics that are
sometimes powerful, and at the same time vague enough to be open for
interpretation or application by the listener to his or her own
situation. when they take up social issues, they do it without being
preachy or self-righteous, and often that is just one facet woven into a
song. once again, their vocals, both individually and in harmony, are
outstanding, though sometimes the album's production and the occasionally
noisy arrangements get in the way. at other times, the addition of the
dulcimer, hurdy-gurdy and other folk string instruments is handled quite
creatively.

sonically, the album is also a mixed success. the recording mix is rather
good, in you can hear everything in the arrangements, but especially on
the rock tracks, the acoustic instruments and vocals can sound a bit thin.
and spacially, the recording tends to be rather two-dimensional and
lacking in warmth or the kind of airy quality that could help the electric
and acoustic instruments to blend better.

shaming of the sun is not the best indigo girls album, in my view.
outstanding material is sometimes undermined by inappropriate
arrangements. but there are also many high points on this new cd. i don't
think too many of their fans will be disappointed, and the album's rocky
sound night open doors for new people to discover ray and saliers. and
even when their production and arrangements get a little out of hand,
indigo girls are still orders of magnitude above most music of the
commercial pop scene.

this is george graham.

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sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [sydney, australia]
"this is the song that we are always just this side of singing..."
- peter mulvey

>stephanie merhar wrote:
>
-regarding "don't give that girl a gun" - i know the lyrics "she's already
won/one"
aren't in the lyric booklet because amy likes the ambiguity.  but for the
life of me i  can't think of how it could be "one".  she's already one, as
in she's already a gun?    um, that doesn't make sense.  anyone have any
thoughts?

yeah. she's already a gun ...she's shooting her poison darts at
me... influencing the jury of my peers ... telling slanted stories. she
doesn't _need_ a real gun, 'cause she's shooting me down just fine as it is...

take the first shot baby it'll be real clean...

albeit, ar is a pretty mean pistol herself ;) :o

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g       us away to our extinction -  emily saliers      s
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hmmm did i miss this already?  it was wierd.  i was listening to nis
when i read my digest and watershed came on when i got to this post!  i
would have had this little post of mine out sooner, but i was on the
phone for a while and i can't talk and type... too confusing for my
brain!  anyway, i've always thought this is a cool song.  up until oh
maybe an hour ago it was cuz they talk about running and i'm a runer so
it fits me well.  but about an hour ago i really listened to it and all
the sudden realized that it pretty much was the story of my life!  i
tried to come up with something more meaningful to post than this but it
got really long and kinda nigc-y.  if you're interested in what
watershed means to me (sounds like an essay for english class...) email
me and i'll send it to you.  personally, i find this song to be rather
uplifting.  to me, this song is saying how you can face a decision and
think all you want about it, but it won't help.  in order to accomplish
anything you need to just go and do it.  you'll never fly as the crow
flies (find the best way to get somewhere or do something) or get used
to a country mile (learn something new... or go for a run :)) if you're
sitting on your butt *thinking*.  that's something i need to be reminded
of often... whenever i listen to this song, it i feel inspired to
accomplish something... but obviously not always something constructive
or i'd be studying instead of writing this long-winded post.  oh well...
good luck to all those suffering through finals!
jill :)

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okay, i've just gotta share...
i am so wigging!  i swear, toye and i are sharing the same brain.  or
brainwaves.  or we're astrally projecting into each other's minds.  or
we've got real identical chakras.  or....
ah, whatever.  but come on...!
1. ig
2. sylvia plath!!!
3. harriet the spy
4. emily dickinson

if i didn't know any better, i'd think this was some sort of weird
destiny thing goin' on...

just goes to show ya what like-minded folks you can find on this here
list. :)

goofiness a-brewin' on tha' list!...
jill

>wanna hear way off? i just turned in a semester project relating
american
>literature to my life--therefore relating it to ig...

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hello,  my name is anita bingham and i'm not quite sure if the person that
reads this letter will be able to help me, but i'll give it a shot.  i am
in an acoustic band that does some originals but mostly covers.  about 50%
of our covers are indigo girls songs.  all of our originals have been
inspired by our love for the indigo girls music.  we want to call our band
"strange fire" but we are unsure if it is legally o.k. to do this.

if you do not know the answer to my question, maybe you could direct me to
a different address where someone can. either way, please e-mail me back
at amandabear@prodigy.net

awaiting your reply,

anita

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at 05:47 pm 5/3/98 -0400, you wrote: 
<blockquote type=cite cite>there are 17 messages totalling 538 lines in
this issue. 
 
topics in this special issue: 
 
1. ig comics readers? 
2. jonathon taylor thomas (nigc) 
3. bethlehem, nj (3) 
4. bethlehem musikfest 
5. absolutely nigc: any borders employees? 
6. anyone else awake? 
7. boots from that guy at shawn colvin 
8. limited ig lilith cd's 
9. johnathon taylor thomas 
10. nigc-dar williams 
11. baack on the bus y'all 
12. hmmmm... 
13. may 1 article at sonicnet 
14. danielle howell rocked ! yey! 
15. music midtown and dgtgag 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 12:38:17 -0700 
from: ian carandang 
subject: ig comics readers? 
 
> 
> does anyone on this list read strangers in paradise 
> or hothead paisan? 
 
say.......that's a good question.......i don't read terry moore's book but 
i do read a lot of other books, ranging from the mainstream to the 
fringe........ 
 
questions like this posted on the list are usually frowned upon, i know, 
but since comic-reading right now is'nt as popular as it used to be, so i 
don't expect _that_ much mailbox-clogging............e-mail me privately, 
just in case. 
 
so how many listees here read comics? and what kind? i'm curious to know. 
for the record, i read hitman, astro city, legion of supeheroes and x-men 
too.......... 
 
ian c. 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 01:16:17 -0400 
from: alanna 
subject: jonathon taylor thomas (nigc) 
 
hi guys, my roomate just heard that jonathon taylor thomas (the middle 
child on home improvement) just recently came out. 
 
can anyone confirm this? 
 
-alanna 
 
==================================================== 
could it be that i was born without a clue to carry on, and still it is 
the same, now i am older. 
 
-shawn colvin 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 02:14:14 edt 
from: indigopo2 
subject: bethlehem, nj 
 
i was wondering if tix have gone on sale for bethlehem musikfest, nj for 
8/11/98? also any tix on sale for lilith too? i don't know if i am even on 
this planet this week.....lol. anyway, any info is much appreciated. thanks 
so much. 
~alison 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 02:58:46 -0400 
from: "i am 32 flavors and then some..." 
subject: re: bethlehem, nj 
 
i was under hte impression the bethlehem thing was in bethlehem pa...am i 
wrong? 
 
--audra 
 
 
 
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are too tired/my mind is disconnected 
but my heart is wired." - ani difranco 
(aka goddess) 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 00:21:34 pdt 
from: jill certo 
subject: re: bethlehem musikfest 
 
>i was wondering if tix have gone on sale for bethlehem musikfest, nj 
for 
>8/11/98? 
 
no, they haven't. visit their site at <a href="http://www.musikfest.org/home.htm" eudora="autourl">www.musikfest.org/home.htm</a> 
the tickets go on sale the 17th of may, i believe. no prices listed. 
hadn't heard about this show... just found it this morning listed on a 
page of tour dates. bethlehem, pa is in the southeastern corner of pa, 
right near ny/nj state borders. 
visit the site, it's funny-- all this jazz about platz and leiderhosen. 
okay, maybe no leiderhosen. but lotsa platz, whatever that is. 
jill 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 11:05:00 bst 
from: rachel sefton-smith 
subject: absolutely nigc: any borders employees? 
 
sorry for wasted bandwidth, but i would be really interested to talk to 
anyone who works at borders. i'm applying for a job in the new store that's 
opening in my town (the first one in the uk i think!) and have a few 
questions that i'd really like to ask before i go for interview. 
 
please corespond privately! or 
- thanks! 
 
seffy 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 07:36:57 -0400 
from: karen frey 
subject: anyone else awake? 
 
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my dogs got me up early, so here i sit, ready for ig reading and i must 
be the only one awake on the list! 
 
musikfest is gonna be blessed with my presence, i feel really lucky that 
the girls are playing so many venues nearby! 
 
as the bombshells of my daily fears explode, i try to trace them to my 
youth.... 
 
love, k 
 
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my dogs got me up early, so here i sit, ready for ig reading and i must be the only one awake on the list! 
 
musikfest is gonna be blessed with my presence, i feel really lucky that the girls are playing so many venues nearby! 
 
as the bombshells of my daily fears explode, i try to trace them to my youth.... 
 
love, k 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 08:54:18 -0500 
from: rick hodgin 
subject: re: boots from that guy at shawn colvin 
 
i've finally heard back from the guy i was behind at the 
shawn colvin concert. he recorded that show but the mic 
batteries were dead so he only has the first part of the 
show in good quality the rest is bad. 
 
he has these shows: 
1)indigo girls-dat master-u of dayton-11/15/97 100minutes 
2)indigo girls-dat master-indiana university 12/9/97 100minutes 
3)indigo girls-analog master-fraze pavilion 6/13/97 100minutes 
4)sarah mclachlan-dat clone-murat theater-11/5/97 100minutes 
5)sarah mclachlan-dat clone-4/7/94-90minutes 
6)jewel-dat clone-murat-3/14/97 95minutes 
 
so i'm going to be getting them on cd here before too long 
and then i'll offer them to the list. he says they're all 
excellent quality and knowing how picky he was about us not 
making noise at shawn colvin i'm reasonably certain they are 
good. :) 
 
i'll probably see him in the next couple weeks and will let 
you all know! 
 
*^*^*^*^* 
* _o_ * 
* / | \ * rick 
* _/ \_ * 
* * 
* _ * 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 14:22:25 edt 
from: indigopo2 
subject: limited ig lilith cd's 
 
i heard that lilith venders are selling limited cd's of live clips of the 
girls at lilith. also the cd includes the new remix of shed your skin. they 
said that is the only place they are available. i wish i could remember the 
website i got it from! aaahh! unfortunately, i don't think i will be able to 
make any lilith concerts. ='o( so i was wondering if someone can pick a few 
of them up for me if they go? i will send you a sase and the amount the cd 
costs. please if anyone could do me the favor i would be so greatful! =o ) 
respond privately and hopefully we could work something out. (begging) 
love, 
alison 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 14:57:59 edt 
from: wubuh 
subject: johnathon taylor thomas 
 
it was said on an edmonton radio station - the bear - that he had come out. 
don't know if that's such an official source though. i guess there was some 
worry over it dure to his girl following and the rumoured homophobia of tim 
allen ( i wouldn't be surprised). anyway, good for him if he has! 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 15:14:50 -0400 
from: megan mckenna 
subject: re: bethlehem, nj 
 
bethlemhem is in pa. 
great place! 
meg 
 
on sun, 3 may 1998, i am 32 flavors and then some... wrote: 
 
> i was under hte impression the bethlehem thing was in bethlehem pa...am i 
> wrong? 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 16:27:58 edt 
from: ofelia81 
subject: nigc-dar williams 
 
for those of you who are familiar with dar williams- what is her stlye, your 
opinion of her, etc.... i just recieved free tickets, and am wondering if i 
should go see her... 
anyone? 
thanks, 
leslie mackrell 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 16:04:42 -0400 
from: alanna 
subject: baack on the bus y'all 
 
a quickie. 
 
i just recently purchased back on the bus y'all (i know i'm behind the 
times) and saw that on the back cover of the leaflet amy and emily are on 
the wrong side of each other. the photograph is washed in red light and i 
was wondering possibly if anyone else noticed this. 
 
maybe the photograph was just developed wrong?? 
 
-alanna 
 
 
==================================================== 
could it be that i was born without a clue to carry on, and still it is 
the same, now i am older. 
 
-shawn colvin 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 13:58:44 pdt 
from: michelle lesmerises 
subject: hmmmm... 
 
ok, just a small question...i just went to the ig concert at dartmouth, 
and i can't remember the name of the opening band...i think the guy's 
name was sean...something...help!!! this is bothering me!!! 
--michi 
 
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date: mon, 4 may 1998 07:06:15 +1000 
from: sherlyn koo 
subject: may 1 article at sonicnet 
 
hey folks, 
 
this is off sonicnet - <a href="http://www.sonicnet.com/" eudora="autourl">http://www.sonicnet.com</a>/ 
 
-sherlyn 
 
---- 
second school axes indigo girls gig 
but this time principal says it's because of lesbian duo's vulgar 
lyrics, not their sexuality. 
 
a day after learning that a south carolina high-school principal 
called off an upcoming campus show by the lesbian folkie group 
indigo girls, another high-school principal has decided to cancel 
a gig by the duo at his school. 
 
only this principal says it has nothing to do with their sexuality, 
but rather their lyrics. 
 
claiming that he is trying to maintain an atmosphere conducive to a 
good education, germantown high school principal ernest chism said 
he decided late thursday to call off the gig scheduled for next 
tuesday at the germantown, tenn., school after finding out that the 
grammy-winning musicians used vulgarities onstage at a show in 
georgia. 
 
"we canceled the show [thursday] based on the lyrics to a song they 
performed at loganville high school in georgia," chism explained, 
referring to the indigo girls tune "shame on you" (realaudio 
excerpt). the song, off the folkie duo's shaming of the sun, includes 
a line that says: "me and jesus, we're of the same heart/ the only 
thing that keeps us distant is that i keep fucking up." 
 
chism, who first learned about the cancellation of the indigo girls' 
gig at irmo high school in irmo, s.c., on thursday, claims that he 
has never heard the indigo girls' music and that his decision has 
nothing to do with the duo's homosexuality. rather, after learning 
that the duo had sung those lyrics at the show at loganville high 
school on april 13, chism said he called principal ken prichard there 
to discuss the situation. "i know very well what's acceptable on this 
campus, and those types of words are not acceptable," chism said. "we 
don't let students use words that strong and we don't use that 
language." 
 
the indigo girls -- singer/guitarists amy ray and emily saliers -- 
have been playing high schools and universities over the past month 
as a warm-up for their appearances on this year's popular all-women 
lilith fair and as a way to reach out to their younger fans in a 
smaller setting. their may 7 show at irmo high school, one of five 
that had been slated for next week, was canceled earlier this week by 
principal gerald witt following complaints from parents and students 
concerning the indigo girls' homosexuality as well as the idea of 
holding a concert during a school assembly. 
 
not everyone at germantown high school is buying chism's story. katie 
fort, a 15-year-old staff reporter at the pitchfork, germantown high 
school's student newspaper, said many of the students at her school 
think that the cancellation has a lot to do with the fact that ray and 
saliers are lesbians. "every single class i've gone to today, the 
topic of discussion has been the indigo girls," fort said. "some 
people think it is because they're lesbians. some people think it's 
because of the incident in georgia. everyone has their own theories." 
 
fort, a fan of the indigo girls, said she thinks that if principal 
chism canceled the concert due to that lyric in "shame on you," he made 
a mistake. "that one lyric isn't at all indicative of their work," she 
said. 
 
meanwhile, students at irmo high school will be protesting the 
cancellation of the indigo girls' performance at their school by 
staging a walk-out. jane rish, spokeswoman for school district 5 board 
of education, which is home to the 1,800-student irmo high, said the 
students are distributing flyers stating that the walk-out will occur 
at 8:45 a.m. on thursday, the day the indigo girls were scheduled to 
play. 
 
national gay and lesbian task force spokeswoman tracey conaty is also 
skeptical of chism's explanation for the cancellation. "we have to 
accept it at face value," she explained. "but if he had concerns about 
the girls singing those lyrics, you would think he would have expressed 
those concerns. not to have any dialogue seems a little dubious." 
 
in a statement released thursday, saliers said she felt that the 
cancellations were a clear case of discrimination. 
 
"we are saddened and angry to hear that our show at irmo high school 
has been canceled," saliers said. "it is a blatant case of homophobia. 
the show was canceled because we are gay." 
 
elizabeth glenn, 17, pitchfork assistant editor, however, backs 
principal chism and said he was just doing his job. "in our newspaper, 
they have a lot of control over what we put out because they have to 
watch what the students are exposed to," glenn explained. "it's not at 
all a matter of politics. it's a matter of making sure germantown is 
not exposed to anyone promoting bad language." 
 
indigo girls manager russell carter, who had not yet officially heard 
from principal chism, said that he was disappointed by the 
cancellation. he also said the students of germantown high school 
should look to the media if they want someone to blame for the 
cancellation. "we probably have you guys to thank for that," carter 
said. "he probably keeps getting calls from you and thinks there is 
going to be some sort of problem." 
 
carter also said that the indigo girls were still working on putting 
together a free concert at an undisclosed location on thursday to make 
up for the cancellation at irmo high school. 
 
the tour was to stop friday (may 1) in atlanta at the midtown music 
fest and then play river stages in nashville, tenn., on sunday before 
hitting franklin high school in franklin, tenn., on monday and 
farragut high school in knoxville, tenn., on wednesday. 
 
for students, staff and administrators in irmo, this has been an 
exciting couple of days. "we're coming off a very long week," said 
karen flowers, advisor for the stinger, irmo high school's student 
newspaper. "it's the day before prom and this just happened a couple of 
days ago," flowers explained friday (may 1), "so it's been quite hectic 
around here." 
 
-- randy reiss: 
[ fri., may 1, 7:17 pm pdt ] 
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= 
"it's never too late to live right now, 
so you can be who you want to be..." - carrie newcomer 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 17:39:44 edt 
from: gi troop 
subject: danielle howell rocked ! yey! 
 
oh ya, never had even heard of her except from here on the ig list, but friday 
night at the ani difranco concert in birmingham, al, she opened, and oh my, 
she kicks some serious ass! yup! oh yea, did i mention how cool ani was? :) 
he he he... 
 
take care, 
 
~~trooper~~ 
 
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date: sun, 3 may 1998 17:46:35 edt 
from: jcfsu 
subject: music midtown and dgtgag 
 
hey y'all!! 
 
i just returned from an awesome weekend in decatur(hotel)/atlanta, ga. i had 
a lot of fun and was only four people from the front row right in front of 
amy. it was incredible. i loved it. although others that went have already 
pointed out that the crowd was a little rowdy and some were way too young to 
be smokin' some of the stuff they were smokin'. no joke. i was getting high 
just standing closeby and there was no way i was giving up my spot and not see 
the indigo girls up close. it was a good show, they were trying to fit in a 
lot of songs in the little time that they were given. they obviously enjoyed 
being back close to home. 
 
now, about dgtgag, i have a couple of questions . . . i have noticed that it 
has disappeared from some of the recent setlists, is there a reason? also, do 
you think it is possible that maybe amy has gotten over the hurt? that may be 
a questions that no one on the list can answer but i just thought i would put 
it out there. please don't flame me, i am just curious, i love the passion 
and heart that amy puts into this song. it is a great song, makes me cry. 
anyway, that was just my little questions for you to think about. 
 
also, a little nigc. can anyone tell me anything about michelle malone. i 
saw her at eddie's attic this weekend and would like to know a little more 
about her and her music, and why has it been that she hasn't been playing 
shows lately? she said she was still recovering. e-mail me privately on this 
one. 
 
thanks for reading. please if i am only bringing up old business, i am sorry. 
i have been delete happy with all of the nigc floating aorund. thanks. 
 
jillian :-) 
 
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hey all.
anyone here go to princeton u.....or know anyone that does?
big head todd is playing there on thursday & a student or faculty member
has to buy the tickets for non-students. i really want to go....if
anyone
can help me out i'll buy you a ticket....or send boots or something.
thanks for any info.
jami
jamik@juno.com
jami@xpedite.com

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date: tue, 5 may 1998 08:20:08 -0400
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sherlyn wrote:
>
>the atlanta-based duo of amy ray and emily saliers, who prefer not to
>use the definite article as part of the group name,

**finalllllly! i can get some sleep now. i have wondered for years, and
i'm sure i'm not the only one, if they preferred "the indigo girls" or just
"indigo girls"

now we know! its just indigo girls

hallelulah and pass the cool whip

sus

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date: tue, 5 may 1998 09:06:52 -0700
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from: elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
organization: northeastern university, faculty senate office, 442 ry,
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hi,
sorry to post such a trivial request to two lists, but in one of the
digests i just read there was a url where you could buy out of print cds
by the neilds/nields (don't know the correct spelling). i inadvertently
deleted the digest - and can't even remember if it was the ig digest or
the dar digest. it's too early in the morning to be functioning
correctly. could a kind soul please e-mail me privately with the info?
thanks so much.
elaine

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>this isn't a flame, but before you ask about something, try checking the
>faq! believe it or not, there are a lot of frequently asked questions
>there! ;)

i have read the faq!  i'm not looking for what the song is about, i've
gotten that already. :)  i'm just wondering what exactly the *term*
"scooter boys" refers to.  somebody was talking about south americans
using scooters as a major form of personal transportation, can anybody
back this? any other ideas?

later y'all,
randy (who needs to know everything!)
randy rodriguez
automation department
direct travel, inc.
212-302-7870 ext 2765
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sorry to waste the bw, but could someone email me privately about how to
get on the info-only version of the list?

thanks
debbie alexand6@jeflin.tju.edu

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i didn't understand why i never saw this song in "best lyrics" thread a
week or so back. i love this song...it fit my life so perfectly at the time
it came out, and it converted a friend of mine to being a fan of ig...
that's all i have to say
peace,
sharoane

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i remember hearing a while back that scooter boy was a slang for skinhead.

peace
sharoane

>
> >the question i've been trying to answer as well. does anyone know why
amy
> >directly implicated "scooter boys" in colonial terrorism? i keep
> >visualizing images from the who's quadrophenia! any help on this would
be
> >greatly appreciated! thanks, jill
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greetings kind listees!!!!

      i have been wanting to explore the writings of virginia woolf ever since
hearing our beloved emily sing so eloquently about how she found a friend
through the pages of woolf's diaries in arguably one of em's best songs. i
would like some advice from those of you who have read woolf's work. what
better place than this ig list to enlist some well educated and thoughtful
responses!!!!  :)
      i was in the bookstore yesterday and was a little overwhelmed by the
amount of her work available. makes sense, she is regarded as one of the
leaders of the literary modernism movement as well as a respected feminist,
socialist and pacifist.  i didn't realize her diary is a five  volume piece.
has anybody actually read the entire diary?  i did see that the same woman who
helped edit those five volumes also published a single volume abridged
version. and of course there are all those famous novels and essays as well;
mrs. dalloway, a room of one's own, to the lighthouse, jacob's room to name a
few.  i would appreciate any input (e-mail me please) from anyone who can
suggest where to begin my exploration of this author's work and perhaps even
throw a new thread out to you all to share your thoughts on emily's song about
v w.

thank you!! ----laura a.

"each life has it's place" --em

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ok i've been wonderin about these lines in hey kind friend:

now i ask you for some relief
it's one true root that you bring to me

????? anyone know what exactly she's saying here?? i know she's said the
song's about ani...

lamia

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sorry to intrude this way but, i have gotten the master tapes of both
berkeley performances by the ig last july. there were four intrepid
souls who requested copies from my branch. i would appreciate it if you
folks would drop me a line if you are still interested:

cajaxon@aol.com (christy)
cblakey070@aol.com (carole)
cicada16@aol.com (erica)
thehoh@aol.com (daniel)

thanks for the break-in, sued

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hi!
miranda, owner of "blood and fire" boot cd, please write to me... i
never received it....
shayna

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i got the new june edition of acoustic guitar today and there's a tidbit
of interesting news:

"ani difranco is finishing production on a woody guthrie tribute album
to be released by righteous babe. the cd will be culled from hours of
guthrie music performed by bruce springsteen, the indigo girls, arlo
guthrie, pete seeger, billy bragg and ramblin' jack elliott at a concert
at the rock 'n' roll hall of fame in september 1996."

anybody know anymore about this or what the concert was all about?

claudine

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in today's issue of the state, there were a few letters to the editor
published about the ig show being cancelled. the first letter is headlined
"singers apparently boast about lifestyles." i just rolled my eyes over
that one. the other letters published were quite supportive. you can read
them for yourself at:

<http://www.thestate.com/opinion/opletter/tues05let.htm>

and in the site's forum section, there are two discussions going on in
regard to the controversey. most who are writing in are against the
decision to cancel the original show at the high school. if you want to
read what's been written, just click on the "forum" link in the left hand
column and follow the instructions.

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ok ok ok ya'll! what i really really want to know is ppl's opinions on
those two lines..the only reason i said anything about ani is cuz i
didn't want ppl emailin me sayin, "oh i heard the song is about ani"
i just really want to know about the lines...

lamia

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hey kind friends-

does anyone have an extra ticket to friday's show at the backyard. star
is sold out.

please let me know if you have one or know someone who has one.

thanks,

dan perkins
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since there are a lot of college students (with flexible summers) on this
list, i thought someone might be interested in this.

margaret

begin forwarded material:
> from: "john stolle-mcallister" <mcal0025@gold.tc.umn.edu>
> to: chiapas-l@profmexis.sar.net, mexico2000@mep-d.org
> subject: summer travel opportunities to chiapas
> date: mon, 4 may 98 13:00:05 -0500
>
> cloudforest initiatives announces two travel opportunities to chiapas this
> summer.
>
> trip #1: june 14-july 5
> study language, culture and social change
>
> study spanish in the unique environment of san cristobal de las casas,
>chiapas,
> mexico from june 14 through july 5, 1998.
>
> ... learn spanish in small groups from professional native speaking spanish
> teachers.
> ... live with a family in san cristobal de las casas.
> ... meet with social and political activists in the region.
> ... visit autonomous maya communities in the countryside.
> ... reflect on the changing dynamics of mexican society.
> ... explore the beauty of the mexican highlands.
>
> the cost for this trip is us$1050 which includes all expenses once you
>arrive in
> chiapas. we can also make arrangements for shorter (in one week segments)
> stays.
>
>
> trip #2:
>
> contribute to sustainable development and social change
> inn chiapas
>
>
>
> cloudforest initiatives, a non-profit development and educational
>organization,
> is organizing a work trip to chiapas from august 2-23, 1998, for the
>purpose of
> helping to build an artisan workshop in an autonomous maya community.
> cloudforest initiatives is facilitating the development of community based
> non-traditional export products in maya communities in chiapas. our current
> project involves training communities to build wood and metal bookcases for
> export to the us and canada. the training involves not only the actual
> construction of bookcases, but accounting, literacy and marketing skills
>which
> will be necessary to allow for autonomous development. we need help in
> constructing the workshop so that training and construction can begin as
>soon as
> possible. by participating in the program you will:
>
>
> ... contribute needed labor to this important project
> ... assist community members defend their autonomy through economic
> self-sufficiency
> ... live in an autonomous maya-tzotzil community for most of the period
> ... spend a short time in san cristobal de las casas for an orientation
> ... gain a deeper understanding of the processes of social change in mexico
> ... have the opportunity to learn spanish and/or maya tzotzil from community
> members
>
> the cost for this three week trip is us$1260, which includes all expenses
>once
> participants arrive in chiapas.
>
>
> cloudforest initiatives is a non-profit organization, incorporated in the
> united states, and operating out of san cristobal de las casas, chiapas,
>mexico.
> as an organization, we support the autonomous development of maya
>communities in
> chiapas by establishing links between them and communities in the us and
>canada,
> provide reliable timely information and analysis of developments in
>chiapas, and
> promote alternative development strategies through education, training and
> marketing of non-traditional export production.
> an important part of our mission is to facilitate direct connections
>between
> us and canadian citizens and mexican citizens and organizations working for
> change. the educational travel programs are designed to acquire a better
> understanding of the political, economic, and cultural situation of
>chiapas and
> southern mexico. the programs include visits and experiences with different
> sectors of society, to get a broad understanding of the issues. we follow a
> reflection process as well as learning in community to better understand
>what is
> happening here and translate this understanding into action.
>
> our staff have lived and worked in central america and southern mexico
>for over
> 10 years, and permanently reside in san cristobal. they have a great
>deal of
> experience leading these types of trips, are able group facilitators, and
>are
> ever vigilant of changing security concerns.
>
> for more information, contact:
> cloudforest initiatives,
> po box 13149
> minneapolis mn 55414
> ci@hwpics.com
> 612-724-4650
>
>
>
>
>
> john stolle-mcallister
>
>
> cloudforest initiatives
> po box 13149
> minneapolis mn 55414
> 612-724-4650
> end forwarded material

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at 03:31 pm 5/5/98 +0100, claudine lapsky wrote:
>"ani difranco is finishing production on a woody guthrie tribute album
>to be released by righteous babe. the cd will be culled from hours of
>guthrie music performed by bruce springsteen, the indigo girls, arlo
>guthrie, pete seeger, billy bragg and ramblin' jack elliott at a concert
>at the rock 'n' roll hall of fame in september 1996."
>
>anybody know anymore about this or what the concert was all about?

yup. i was there. great show. if you'd like to find out what they played
check my web page.

http://www.muohio.edu/~hiterj/ig.html

i'm really excited about this cd.

rob

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jill's just saying all this cuz she wants my hot buttered baigl bod. but
the toaster's just too hot for those soggy midwesterners. ;o

h, munch munch y'all

ps. yep, it got forwarded. ;)

pps. visit
http://www.angelfire.com/ma/artemis9/femlyrics.html

>to answer your first query: yes, it's sheer *nonsense*.
>to answer the second: no, i believe that's "anyone from *boston* is a
>wannabe".
>to answer the third:  yep.
>
>stay away from dem baigls.  they don't like none who ain't of their
>kind.  i swears to ya, they's some weeeeeird folks.  watch out what you
>says in public (like this!).
>
>baigl schmaigl.  where's my toaster oven, do i smell carbohydrates
>burning in the flames?!
>
>jill, expecting this to be forwarded to that *other* ig list... ;)
>("indigohio:  we've got twink!")
>(hey hey ho ho baigl self-righteousness has got to go)

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most of the covers are waaaayyyy better than the original, but *hendrix's*
cover of all along the watchtower....i'm sorry, but the girls aren't quite
at that guitar god level... amy's voice is still sexier though. :-p

luv
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i was meandering around the lifeblood website and i found reference to a
1983 recording, of emily solo, called here for you (i guess it's like
the companion to amy's solo color me grey). i've never seen it on
anyone's boot page, nor heard it mentioned on the list. what's the deal
with this recording?

jill

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heya~

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at the austin demo tour in august of 1996 amy said she wrote kind friend for
sara lee...sara was right there smiling and beaming all the while. where'd ya
hear it was for ani?

amy

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has anyone ever had anything totally weird happen
because of this list?

i mean...like i came out to my uncle unintentionally
because i didn't know he was on this list and
well...i have a big mouth. (it all was ok btw.)

so i'm just wondering if anyone had anything nutsy
occur because of the list.

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i was pretty surprised to see that julie wolf was playing with ani!! i'm
pretty sure she is the same julie wolf who plays regularly with laura
love (amazing artist!!) if it is her...she has an amazing voice...plays
a lot of instruments and is really great! but be forewarned...i bought
her cd...and in my opinion, (please no flames) it was very bad. she is a
really good backup singer...and i know she will one day turn out a
really good cd. but only get her cd if you like piano bar music (think
marilyn monroe husky voice type music). but she sounds amazing live!!!

-sherry

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my british love duckling wrote:

>jill's just saying all this cuz she wants my hot buttered baigl bod.
she's right... even tho, like most of y'all, i've never actually *seen*
her buttery baigl bod. computers need video screens. ;)
(just call me shameless).

>h, munch munch y'all
oh dear, this sounds like some sort of *lesbian sex* thread. let's just
stop this puppy right in it's tracks before it goes any further.

jilly

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> at the austin demo tour in august of 1996 amy said she wrote kind friend for
> sara lee...sara was right there smiling and beaming all the while. where'd
> ya hear it was for ani?

check out the curve cover interview with amy...

"yeah, it's a friendship song.  it's not just to her [ani], though.  i hooked up
with her ensemble for a few days because our bassist sara lee was playing with
them.  i got to know ani better through that experience.  it was a hard time in
my life and i went out with them for about a week.  they kind of saved me, that
whole group.  and i didn't know them well. sometimes what you need is the
company of strangers.  so that song was written in reflection of that
time...ani, she's a good girl."

curve (january 1998, vol. 7, #6)

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anyone out there heard woodie guthrie's version of "this train"? a & e blew
me away when i heard them sing it live in akron. it really enhanced my
appreciation for the so version, too...

just wonderin',
lisa j

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about "leeds"

<< ms. saliers plays the piano, in this nice love song. >>

is it me? i don't consider this a love song. yeah, she's talking to her
lover, but....

lisa j
who's counting the days to lilith fair -- albuquerque... 55! :)

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hey,
i was wondering if anyone knew anything about dar bern? i stumbled upon his
cd at a local music stoe for $3.. it's the one with the songs "kurt", and
"jerusalem"... it only contains 6 songs.... he is sooooo funny though, does
anyone knoe anything about him, or the cd i have.
thanks,
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in a message dated 98-05-05 00:50:04 edt, you write:

<< -regarding "don't give that girl a gun" - i know the lyrics "she's already
won/one" >>

i like to think that amy wrote it as "won".  but if she intended it to be
"one", then it would make sense if she was referring to the fact the she is
"one" now, not two as she was when she was still in a relationship.  make
sense?  if it doesn't, don't blame me, i think i got the idea off this list a
while ago :)
  ~liz

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hey y'all. please bear with me while i ask a stupid question. i've been
listening to reunion lately, and i realized that while i know what the song
is about overall, certain lines totally confuse me. off the top of my head,
i know the opening line where she says "i had guards like watchdogs dogs in
a manger" and also where she talks about not needing anger with "intimate
strangers" blow me away. how can you be intimate with strangers? i'm sure
there's some underlying meaning i'm missing here, so if some kind person
would e-mail me (or the list) with the answer, i would be so grateful!
thank you in advance.
christy :)

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since no one from the eddie's attic concert posted a review, i feel the
need to tell y'all about it! (hey, guys where are you anyway?)
first, i was only at the early show, so i can't give a complete review.
michelle looks good to have recently been sick (skinny as ever!)...her
music sounds just as good, if not better now! :) her mother, karyn malone,
opened for her. let me just tell you that this woman took the stage and
blew us all away with her beauty and amazing voice. she told us stories
about michelle when she was little and sang mostly older tunes with her
husband, son, and close friend accompanying her on percussion, bass, and
keyboard (in that order). this woman is a carbon copy of michelle (or is it
the other way around?) except that she's not quite as thin and has pitch
black hair. michelle definitely got her voice from her mother! they did do
a duet once michelle took the stage, but the name of the song has slipped
my mind. it gave me chills though. so if you have a chance to see her or
better yet, her mom, you should go. it's like going to an indigo girls
show, but without all the crowds. take care and thanks for listening.
christy :)

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date: tue, 5 may 1998 16:52:43 -0600
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ok, here's my take on the "intimate strangers" part. amy wrote this after
attending a high school reunion, correct? and she talks about how she'd
get done talking to someone who was all chummy with her and she'd walk
away and the person she was with would tell her that that person had hated
her in high school. i always took the "intimate strangers" line to be
referring to those people who reportedly hated her in high school and
then, 10 or 15 or however many years later, they're all nice and sugary
with her. it's like, you spend four years of your life in the same
building with these people, in the same classes, going through the same
b.s., so in that way, you're fairly intimate with them. but, at the same
time, if you don't know them very well, they're still basically strangers
to you, cuz you never really *know* them.

if that makes any sense at all, i'll be happy. as for the references to
dogs and whatnot, i can't say as i really have any insight. all i know
about "dogs in a manger" is i was so surprised to come upon it when i was
reading "wuthering heights" (speaking of high school) because i knew that
amy used it in that song, but i had never heard it before.

so, there's my input.
amy m.

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in a message dated 5/5/98 8:16:37 am eastern daylight time, ohsusanna@sugar-
river.net writes:

<< now we know! its just indigo girls >>
oh man i have a huge problem with this. my mind just really wants to call
them the indigo girls...what to do? what to do?

pondering,

bon

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i agree bon...it sounds all sorts of weird to say i'm going to go see indigo
girls..amy ray and emily saliers, together they make indigo girls?? it just
sounds wrong... i feel a strong urge to put that "the" in! if they were
introducing themselves to a crowd, would they say, "thanks y'all, we're indigo
girls!" i think even they would probably wanna say we're the indigo girls....
i kind of think that as long as the "the" is lowercase its understood that
it's not really part of their name.. kind of like how you say the knicks, even
though the team name is just knicks... well anyway
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hey folks,

amy said:
> dogs and whatnot, i can't say as i really have any insight. all i know
> about "dogs in a manger" is i was so surprised to come upon it when i was
> reading "wuthering heights" (speaking of high school) because i knew that
> amy used it in that song, but i had never heard it before.

"dog in a manger" is an old saying, i don't think it's used
so much anymore. basically it means someone who has something
that they don't necessarily need, but won't give up anyhow.
(like those people in the bus who sit across two seats even
when there are people standing up...)

about "watershed" - i get the feeling that i'm going to write
an essay about this song, sometime fairly soon... not right
now though, since i'm supposed to be working. :) but for now,
i will say that i think it's one of emily's best songs, and
covers material that she seems to write about a lot - how
patterns repeat in our lives ("least complicated"), and how we
can try to figure out what the future holds but we never can
("the wood song", ctf)... what a great song.

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weeeeeeeell, miss christy (and everybody else), here is what i was
thinking.  oohie, the suspense. being the dork that i am, i understand
the intimate strangers part, or at least i think that i do.  to me it
makes sense, cuz a lot of my friends are, to me, intimate strangers.
sure, we hang out and talk and all that high school-y stuff, but there
are only a few people who actually know *me*. i'm not necessarily talking
about sexuality or that kind of thing (though that is a part of it) but
just about how much people who you consider to be friends really know
you.  know what i mean?  and sometimes you get a real "screw you!"
attitude and don't feel the need to hide, or even to concern yourself
with these peoples' opinions.  they are your friends, but at the same
time strangers.  ok, maybe that made sense, and maybe not.  anybody care
to take the dogs in a manger thing...i've always wondered myself (and if
this is answered in the faq then i don't remember...it always seems like
these questions are, but who knows...i've read them!)

love,
carolyn
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...well,

my mother saw the article.

jill...

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hello all,
just listened to the warfield boot for the first time and i am amazed by
the quality of the boot! what an excellent show. i got shivers just
listening to it. it felt so close.
mary

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hey all...
like sherlyn says, "dog in a manger" is an old expression. it comes from the
fable about a greedy dog standing guard over hay in a barn. it was useless
to him as food, but he refused to allow any other hungry animal to eat it.
dunno how this applies in reunion tho... perhaps amy is referring to how
"well meaning" folks in her formative school years were trying to "protect
her" from who/what she wanted to be, though she was not anyone they wanted
to claim as their own?? i dunno... :-) tis a theory based on my own
experience... now that *i'm* a brilliant + famous musician <sheesh... too
much sun today>
peace all, kim ( the wanna be ).
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i think she means people you thought you knew, who are acting like your
best friend, and are really nothing like what you think they are...
for example, the song was written about a high school reunioned where
someone came up to amy and was extremely nice and asking all about how
she'd been, and after this person had left, a friend of amy's told her that
the person had detested amy all through high school...something that amy
hadn't known....
peace,
sharoane

where she talks about not needing anger with "intimate
> strangers" blow me away. how can you be intimate with strangers? i'm sure
> there's some underlying meaning i'm missing here,

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please everyone, stop emailing me.  i have not forgotten any of you!  i happen
to be very sick - sinus infection that is trying to become pneumonia.  i have
also just lost my job.  i have something like 10 sets of boots and i don't
even know what order i'm supposed to be doing them in.  i swear to you that i
am getting them done.  please do not email me about them any more!

peace, harmony and indigo,

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hey all,
i'm in dire need to pay off some bills before they get too scary for me, so i
have to do something i really didnt want to do.

the following are for auction, bidding ends on sunday april 19th. both cds
are in excellent condition (not a scratch) and are rare (both are out of
print)
starting bids listed after title

kristen hall -- "fact and fiction" -- $10
michelle malone -- "relentless" -- 12

thanks, and sorry for the nigc,
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on the station here in austin they often play a liitle sound bite that says:
" hi i'm amy"
" and i'm emily"
" and we're the indigo girls"
yes, yes thats right folks
emily said " the "
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well, just thought i would let ya'll know... yes!!  bmg has finally gotten
indigo girls cd's !! yup.. i think there are like 3 of their albums that are
in the new pamphlet, and each are only like 3.99, so if anyone hasnt gotten
the full collection yet, you might wanna check it.  we all need some money
saving tips anyways....   :)          take care...........  trooper

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>i kind of think that as long as the "the" is lowercase its understood that
>it's not really part of their name.. kind of like how you say the knicks, even
>though the team name is just knicks... well anyway

well i am here to say i am pissed that knicks lost tonight. the susan b
marine may be rejoicing that pacers from her home state of the indiana won.
enjoy it while the you can.

actually i have proof and confirmation that indigo girls are just indigo
girls.  on their network television debut this was an issue.  it was back
in 1990 on david letterman in his nbc days.  the girls were being
introduced (they sang ctf) and the whole show letterman is joking about how
the girls corrected him on their name.  he called them the indigo girls and
they said no, we're just indigo girls.  of course none of this was on
camera and was probably just cheap laugh getting by dave.  finally, when
the girls were interviewed on camera after singing, dave apologizes for
goofing up the name as it is just indigo girls.  indigo girls giggled
collectively.  he also made fun of amy's tattoo saying--ya know that won't
come off.  ahhh dave.   well i thought is was funny at the time.  ciao

the flamer

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well, i dont know why i thought i had to share this, im sure no one cares, but
i thought it was neato anyway....my best friend in high school introduced me
to ig (notice i didnt add 'the') and there was this one time when she was out
of town visiting her bro....well, for some reason i wasnt to interested in ig
but when she was gone i ended up buying swampophelia cause it reminded me of
her and i missed her alot....ok, now my point....when she came back she told
me she had gotten in a car wreck(she was ok) with her older brother when they
were coming home from a bar......ok, then i started thinking..."you told me of
crashing cars, older brothers, and late night bars..." hmmm.....i thought it
was weird....but anyways.....

-amber-

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>i got the new june edition of acoustic guitar today and there's a tidbit
>of interesting news:
>
>"ani difranco is finishing production on a woody guthrie tribute album
>to be released by righteous babe. the cd will be culled from hours of
>guthrie music performed by bruce springsteen, the indigo girls, arlo
>guthrie, pete seeger, billy bragg and ramblin' jack elliott at a concert
>at the rock 'n' roll hall of fame in september 1996."
>
>anybody know anymore about this or what the concert was all about?

i know someone who was at this concert tribute to woodie guthrie.  it took
place in cleveland as part of the master's of music series (or some such
title), a rock hall arranged program, which pays tribute to classic roots
of rock.  tim robbins read woodie guthrie letters between sets and artists
performed guthrie's music and their own.  i was told this is a yearly event
(not guthrie, but the program/workshops on rock history--maybe someone at
case western reserve univ. would know more?).

i've heard indigo girls portions of the concert.  they (and other
tribute-makers) would perform a guthrie tune, and then the tune of theirs
that was inspired by guthrie.  i don't know the guthrie tunes, but they're
tunes (i use "they" or "them" to signify indigo girls) included "get out
the map" and "this train."  listening back-to-back, very clear guthrie
influence--tho' i didn't know anything about guthrie until recently.  (in
1200 curfews, notice amy's comments about "this train.")  --rob, the link
to your guthrie info didn't work.

finally, i've been told that ani difranco's performance was great--an
exceptional interpretation of guthrie's tune, "do re mi."

that's all i know.

kelley

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if anyone has a good biography of indigo girls before shaming of the sun,
can you please send it to me!! i need it for a speech i'm doing and again
i've waited until the last minute.. thank you for your help :) -jules

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hkf's~

i've been offline for a couple of weeks, so i apologize if this info
has already been shared:

        nearly two weeks ago on thurs. april 23rd, i drove to dallas to see
the ig's, shawn colvin, graham nash and nanci griffith.  nanci opened the
show with a three piece female band.  she called it the "wall of women".
they were very good and ig's came out and did 3 songs with them.  the first
two of those songs neither a or e had an instrument and they seemed a bit
awkward.  amy started doing that funny swaying dance-like thing she does
when she doesn't have a guitar, like before crazy game on the live at the
uptown lounge video (if ya seen it ;)
        then shawn colvin, 7-1/2 mos. pregnant wearing a white maternity
dress and lace up black army boots.  she looked extremely bizarre and put on
an average show imo.  but she told some funny stories.
        oh, i forgot to mention that gloria steinem was the emcee for the
voter's for choice benefit in dallas.
        then graham nash came on and did some wonnerful old and new tunes.
the old one's including teach your children, simple man, and the road to
bangledesh.  he was really very good and also told some funny stories.
crosby, stills & nash just recorded a new album btw.
        then the girls came on and the crowd went ballistic!! :)  i can't
remember the first song :o  but i'm pretty sure the 2nd was soy, then gotm.
i know they did least complicated, galileo, and chickenman with dreaded dave
ellison doing his signature harp solo :)  dave rocks on c-man! ;)
        and amy did the new karla faye tucker song which was excellent!  a
great song in the folk tradition with amy singing in her gusty, deep,
beautiful tones.  i expect to see this song on their next album :)
        then the crowd sung along to an old csn&y tune which, um, i can't
remember the name of...  and then everyone came out for ctf.  nanci griffin
soloed on the doctor of philosophy verse and it was humorous and enjoyable
in her nasally texas accent! ;)
        the majestic theatre is a beautiful old, small theatre in the deep
ellum area of dallas and i was in the top balcony but the acoustics were
great as well as the view.
        overall, it was a great show.  all the musicians performed for free.
next up -- this friday night at the backyard in austin, tx, the zapatista
benefit with shawn colvin, steve earle, ricki lee jones and a&e!

peace & harmony!

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 01:10:17 +0000
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hi y'all,

thanks for informing me that my link to the woody guthrie tribute setlist
was not opperational. i have fixed the problem.

http://www.muohio.edu/~hiterj/ig.html

take care
rob
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if you're really having troubles about not using the definate
article then use it in lower case. saying "the indigo girls"
is not the same as saying "the indigo girls."

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just wanted to introduce myself to the list. my name is carley, i am =
originally from pa, and i am heading out to kansas for good this month. =
i have been in love with emily and amy since '87 when my gf introduced =
them to me. =20

i am planning to go see ig in bonner springs in july. is anyone else =
going? =20

just thought i'd give a quick note.

carley

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i found this tidbit on http://www.yall.com about what former
atlanta fav and indigo friend, kelly hogan, has been doing
lately:

<<atlanta-turned-chicago-based crooner kelly hogan has a
new band together, plus a split single coming out on
bloodshot records. she shares the single, covering some
not-so-standard loretta lynn tunes, with neko case, one of
vancouver, canada's finest exports (check out her very
texas-sounding album "the virginian"). "neko has already
recorded 'rated x,'" says hogan, "and i'm going to do 'hanky
panky woman' any day now with my new band, and maybe a
guest steel player to be named later. it'll probably be
released in august/september or so. we're gonna do some
crazy 'women's prison' photos for it, if we can get it
together.">>

(up with insomnia at 2:30am and net surfin)
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>i was told this is a yearly event
>(not guthrie, but the program/workshops on rock history--maybe someone
at
>case western reserve univ. would know more?).

i'm from cleveland, and i've never heard of it. you'd be amazed at how
*not* interested we are about the fact that the rock hall is under our
noses. i've never even been there (except to use their bathroom during
cleveland pride last summer) and it's only minutes away.

everything at the rock hall is super-expensive anyways. i think i
recall that that concert was like $100/ticket or some exorbitant price.
so nobody can afford to go to them induction concert/ceremony thangs
except for the rich socialites. hmph.

jill
p.s. i know there's a boot of this show already out there somewhere, i
saw it on someone's homepage...

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<here, let me snip just enough text to make it look like rick wrote that
he was...:>
>...really having troubles about not using the definitive
>article...

..."and the less i seek my source for some definitive..." ?
hee.

jill

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i haven't gotten anything from the indigo girls list this morning.

was i bounced off? i know that my mailbox was probably full....

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before i get any flames, i'm sorry for sending the last post about whether or
not i was bounced to the list. i'll try to just wait it out and see if i get
any mail.

sorry again,

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hey all,

sorry if this has already been posted, but for those of you asking about d.c. lilith fair tickets... i heard on the radio this morning they're going on sale at 9 am saturday morning through protix.

take care,

kate.

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i know how much this was covered on the list...and i am not trying to start a
discussion about it. but, since i missed all the info. on it...could some
kind person e-mail me privately about a list meeting etc. at the mwmf. plus,
i have some other questions for anyone who will discuss it privately with me.
thanks,

--trish

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is there going to be a list meeting before or after the show friday at
the backyard?

peace,
dan perkins
austin, texas

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hi :o)

someone i know from an ig chat room just mailed me and told me that a
concert a farragot (spelling?) high school was just cancelled too..she
asked me if i'd heard about it and i was like..."no???" no one on the list
has posted about it, so i was just wondering if this is true and if anyone
has heard about it?

-heather

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hkf's,

the story begins with a pint of guinness on a warm night in greenville, sc.
the place is timmons arena on the campus of furman university where the
purple paladins do battle.

terri binion opened up with her band, and she was very good.  had never
seen her before, and she's got one heck of a voice on her.  and the music
wasn't country, and wasn't folk, or wasn't just plain rock - but it's
somewhere in the middle there.  terri was in a good mood but she realized
we were all here to see saliers & ray.  she would just say "indigo girls"
in the mike and the crowd went crazy.  she did this a few times and got a
kick out of it.

anyway, ig!
i was on amy-side 10 rows back, and the new arena had good acoustics (a
little echo-y though) amy seemed to be in a real good mood, lots of
smiles. emily didn't have too many smiles, but she had a bunch of awesome
solos - and acoustic solos much be soooo hard! (i was impressed)
here's the songs in no order:
it's alright, 3hits, thin line, ghost, let it be me, kid fears, lc,
sb(soc), sys, leeds, chickenman (w/ dave), galileo, ttbt, gone again, i
don't wanna know, po2, gotm, ctf.
(the exact order will be posted soon) but here's an overview/highlight:

started off w/ it's alright, 3hits, and then thin line i think.  when a+e
played thin line, it was the real start of the excitement - or that concert
"high".  you know the "oh yeah, oh yeah, alright!" part, sort of a
crescendo at the end of the first verse (i think) - that is my favorite
part and it just made everything seem right at that point in time.
scooter boys w/ the soc was amazing!  for the soc it was sooooo powerful,
ending w/ the sb line (i think "see i come from priviledge too" or maybe
"crying about my own virginity") (anyone help me on this one???)  and then
after that, amy said "here's (there's) your f**kin' liberty!!!!!!!"  and
that was just like "whoooaaaa - she is just ragin'!!!!"  she spit a little
bit on that last angry line, and that just made it even more powerful.

ghost started off slow and not deep & powerful, but then it just became the
great song that it is - piercing the soul and harmonies of perfection. it
really speaks the truth to me, so that was what made it great also. in a
subtle sort of way, this song just crescendos/builds up into such a great
song & story - it's hard to describe but it's one of my faves live.

kid fears was similar to ghost, it really brought out the emotion and even
though i couldn't do the stipe part - it sure is fun tryin'!!!!! (apologies
to my concert neighbors having to listen to me! :p ) these two songs
were probably the highlight - this kf was definitely just as good as the
botby'all version (maybe better since in person is always better!)

gone again was a pleasant surprise.  amy said something about how it's a
new song, and emily is still learning it.  i thought "emily!  doesn't know
how to play a song!!!!!!  that can't be true!"
but it was a real good amy song (well any amy song is good!!!-or maybe
that's just me)

leeds started out great, and then emily stops playing after about a minute
& says: "oops, i forgot the chords!" and then she got started again, and
had to think real hard to remember what part she was up to. very humorous.

ctf w/ terri and all them was great as usual.  even though it's predictable
- it puts a nice cherry on top of the entire night. (or a nice bow if you
like)  terri really showed her great voice - even though she messed up the
lyrics, and the beat was all messed up - so a+e had to sort of find the
down-beat again by facing each other and strummin' away.  no problem for
the fabulous saliers & ray! (i love the way that sounds!)

no setlist for me, but b/c everyone normally breaks down the barricade to
get to sulli, she threw three setlists in the form of paper airplanes into
the crowd (if i was jordan i would have had one of those!)
all in all, great show, great night, great place - and all over by about
11:10/11:15.

sorry for the length, but thanks for listening!!!
a+e=ig
8-)
mkc

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i've written two songs i'd like some of y'all's feedback
on. they're too long to post to the list so please e-mail
me privately. thanks!

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this is from the newsgroup regarding the farragut cancellation

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> from: winickman <winickman@aol.com>
> newsgroups: alt.music.indigo-girls
> subject: knoxville show cancelled due to homosexuality
> date: tuesday, may 05, 1998 9:28 pm
>
> to all loyal indigo girls fans (and anyone who happens to give a damn
about the
> constitution),
>
> farragut high school, outside knoxville tennessee, was supposed to be
the site
> of an indigo girls concert. this concert was supposed to take place
tommarow,
> 5-5-98. however, in a 7 word statement issued during announcments, the
concert
> was cancelled. no reason ws given, although rumors have it that a local
church
> wsa outraged over the groups homosexuality. does that sound like
> discrimination to you?protests have already been organized, the press has
been
> notified, thought ya'll might like to know.
>
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howdy y'all,

i just heard on kgsr that star tix just released some additional tickets
to friday night's show at the backyard. if your interested the number to
star is (512) 469-7469.

prices are 41.75 & 21.75 1-800-888-597-star

see y'all friday night.

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

ps tony, i'll still take that ticket, thanks.

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there's also a story about the cancellation in tn on the state site
<http://www.thestate.com/docs/06cancel.htm>

i just can't stop shaking my head over this mess :(

here's the text of the article (used without permission):

knoxville, tenn. -- it's strike three for the indigo girls.

the grammy award-winning lesbian folk duo was supposed to give a free
concert today at farragut high school, but school officials canceled it.

it's the third high school concert called off in the past week, including
one at irmo high school outside columbia, s.c.

the indigo girls -- emily sailers and amy ray -- also were turned away by
germantown high school officials in west tennessee.

"it's understood by everyone that the show was canceled because the indigo
girls are gay," said kanishka biddanda, co-editor of the farragut student
newspaper, which helped sponsor the concert.

but principal ed hedgepeth said the group's sexuality wasn't a factor. he
said the show was canceled because of news reports last weekend that the
musicians used profanity at a previous concert.

"i'd rather err on the side of caution when it comes to the people that we
have presenting in the schools," hedgepeth said.

some students said they planned to protest by wearing pro-gay clothing and
possibly staging a sit-in.

in south carolina, any irmo students who stage a walkout thursday will have
to make up the day in a saturday detention hall, principal gerald witt said.

------------------------------

deb

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this was copied, without permission, from atlanta's creative loafing
(on-line) dated wed 06 may 1998 (by gregory nicoll):

atlanta band stereo popsicle are finishing up their debut cd
for the local indie ndeck records. tentatively entitled sunlight
& toys, it's being mixed by blake eiseman (lift, urban grind,
shock lobo, ruben kincaid). the cd features emily saliers of the
indigo girls doing co-lead vocals with the popsicle's singer
trina meade (ex-social insanity) on an acoustic version of their
song "jenny," about a sexually abused teenage girl. proceeds
from this song will benefit the georgia counsel on child abuse.

the indigo girls perform the clash's "clampdown" on a clash
tribute album titled simply the tribute, which is tentatively
scheduled for an august 25 release on epic (the clash's american
label), although that date might be moved so as not to conflict
with a new forthcoming clash live album assembled from vintage
tapes by joe strummer and paul simonon. other bands participating
on the tribute include rancid, cracker, 311 and the mighty mighty
bosstones. the groups are alldonating their share of the profits
to the los angeles children's hospital's high-risk youth program.

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hkf's,

i was just wondering if anyone got a boot of the greenville, sc show
(4/30/98)??? i have a bunch of boots to trade or blanks - or maybe a trade
for my little sister (very good at chores around the house).

also, does anyone have a boot of the marist college hte show in
poughkeepsie, ny (9/15/97)???
(this was my fave ig show! - btw) and in case you have both <gasp!> i have
two sisters i wouldn't mind parting with for ig boots!

thanks,
a+e=ig
8-)
mkc

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happy wednesday all!!!

funny, vonda shepard's new video just came on.  weird timing.  anyway, i do have
igc here.  i just found one of the mtv unplugged books here in town for a
totally bargain price.  it's a funky shaped hardcover ring-bound thing, and it
has color photos and information on all the different unplugged shows to date,
including maybe a 3x5 color photo of amy and emily singing during their
appearance with michelle shocked, and includes a list of songs and a tiny bio on
each artist and stuff about the show.  there's also substantial info and photos
of k.d.'s and melissa etheridge's performances on the show.  i'm not a real
completist, but if there's somebody out there who wants this, i'm willing to
pick it up and send it to you.  the price is a mere $2.49 + tax (50% off of
$4.98!).  so that plus probably $4 to $5 priority shipping (or whatever shipping
you prefer).  that's it.  write me if you're interested....

marivel

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i can't help but be angered by that comment made by principal chism of
germantown high school.  it appears that there had been dialogue between
ig and the principal about not using the f-word, yet it makes no
difference at all.  they can't even take ig's vow not to use the word.
something is very wrong with this picture.  :(

principal pulls plug on another indigo girls show

indigo girls

the indigo girls, who are in the midst of a three-week tour of high
school and college campuses, have been banned from playing yet another
high school.

the concert, which was scheduled for this tuesday at germantown high
school in germantown, tennessee, was canceled because the indigo girls
used profanity during a recent high school performance in georgia.

as we previously reported (see "indigo girls speak out on show
cancellation"), the principal of irmo high school in irmo, south
carolina, canceled an indigo girls show slated for thursday because of
complaints about the duo's openly gay sexuality.

the girls have since re-scheduled and re-located that show for this
thursday at 4 p.m. at the township auditorium in irmo and have given
away 2,000 free tickets to high school students.

for ernest chism, the principal of germantown high school, sexuality is
not the main issue, as chism is primarily concerned that amy ray and
emily sailers will sing "shame on you," which features the dreaded "f"
word, a song they performed at loganville high school in georgia on
april 13.

while the indigo girls vowed not to use profanity, chism said "once you
give entertainers a microphone, you're at their mercy."

the girls' spring tour winds down may 8 at the backyard in austin,
texas, with a zapatista benefit featuring shawn colvin, rickie lee jones
and steve earle.

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> i've written two songs i'd like some of y'all's feedback
> on. they're too long to post to the list so please e-mail
> me privately. thanks!

i'd love to hear/see them!

darius

"here's a little agit for the neverbeliever...
here's a ghost for the offering...
here's a truck stop instead of st. peter's.
mr. andy kaufman's gone wrestling..."
---rem, "man on the moon"

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<< while the indigo girls vowed not to use profanity, chism said "once you
give entertainers a microphone, you're at their mercy." >>

i'm so glad that the ig conspiracy has been revealed! i just *knew* that a &
e were doing these shows as a veiled excuse to say "fuck" in front of high
schoolers. the children have been saved! praise be!

*sigh*
lisa j., who's being really sarcastic right now

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>principal pulls plug on another indigo girls show
>
>while the indigo girls vowed not to use profanity, chism said "once you
>give entertainers a microphone, you're at their mercy."

good god no!!! let's not put our children under the mercy of those girls!!
why... they might convert each and every one of those teens... toaster ovens
will be coming outa' a + e's lil' indigo ears... kriiikees!!!
oh yeah... it's about the "language" they use... silly me...
things that make you go "hmmm"...
and *my* teenager has never heard "the dreaded f-word" in high school??????
bwahahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!
<achem>
it'd sure stink to be a gay kid in *that* school... what a message they must
be getting right now. sheesh.
peace all... kim
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sorry to be so harsh there but i think these people in tennessee have
lost it.  i do not have to sit here a preach to anyone how talented
the indigo girls are.  i think fans and people who respect their
creative talent should say something back to these people.  these
high school kids are getting the wrong impression from this outrage.
the only thing these principal's are going to prove by cancelling
these shows is that our nation is a bunch homophobes and censors
everything.  the rational people on this earth can make up our minds
for ourselves.  do we really want to teach the nest generation not to
think for themselves that is the real question here.
who agrees with me out there?
sarah e. reed
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3rd indigo girls concert canceled

.c the associated press

knoxville, tenn. (ap) - it's strike three for the indigo girls.

the lesbian folk duo was supposed to give a free concert wednesday at farragut
high school, but school officials canceled.

it's the grammy-winning group's third high school show to be called off in a
week.

farragut principal ed hedgepeth said the duo's sexuality wasn't a factor. the
concert was canceled because of news reports last weekend that the indigo
girls used profanity at a previous concert, he said.

''i'm not sure exactly (in) what context (profanity) was used, whether it was
used in an actual song or whether it was used on stage at some point in a
comment,'' hedgepeth said.

''i'd rather err on the side of caution when it comes to the people that we
have presenting in the schools,'' he said.

kanishka biddanda, co-editor of the school newspaper, tells a different story.

''it's understood by everyone that the show was canceled because the indigo
girls are gay,'' she said. the newspaper helped sponsor the concert.

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there was a guy selling used cds and bootlegs on campus today - i didn't buy
anythingm just looked at what he had...there was only one ig tape. it said
date unknown, location unknown. the setlist was obviously written by
somebody who had just listened to the tape and picked out the main words- it
included "chicken-mush", "virginia wolfe" "least", "pretty pretenders" "land
of mamas and papas" (???) and some others that i can't remember. i was
entertained. it reminded me of some of the goofy things that people can come
up with, when they don't know the name of a song...anybody have any really
funny ones?

sarah
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ig fans,

        i have been off the list for a good while now, so perhaps ya'll have
discussed this before, but educate me.  i have been to 3 shows in the
last year (new orleans 7/97, memphis 10/97, mississippi state univ.
4/98) and the girls only played power of two (my very favorite, and one
of there best known) at the new orleans show.  are they playing it, but
just not at the shows i get to, or have they stopped playing it
altogether?  why?  thanks for the space.

kmcmicha

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look what i just found in the tennessee news section of the cnn web
page:

_________________________________
indigo girls canceled again

(knoxville) -- it seems the popular modern folk group the indigo
girls is not welcome in tennessee's high schools. the group was
scheduled to perform a free concert at farragut high, but the
principal pulled the plug. unlike the cancellation at germantown
high in west tennessee... farragut's principal says he canceled the
show because the duo is gay. some students plan to wear pro-gay
clothing at school and rally at the flagpole.
____________________________________

i just read about four different articles with the principal stating
that he did not cancel the show because of amy's and emily's
homosexuality.

hmm. this whole ordeal just gets curiouser and curiouser...

-kate :o|

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fuck those bigoted, ignorant, vile, disgusting, male pin heads!
i am just sick, sick over these cancellations!
i feel physically sick over this, like i'm gonna throw up...
this is such an outrage!!!!
shame, shame on them!
this is a sad, mournful day for humanity!

peace + love,
barbara
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<http://www.thestate.com/docs/06cancel.htm>
some students said they planned to protest by wearing pro-gay
clothing and possibly staging a sit-in.

what's pro-gay clothing???????

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just thought i'd let y'all know that ig was on cnn headline news about the
third concert cancellation. just a brief clip. it usually runs in cycles so
if y'all want to tune in i'm sure it'll be on again.

amy

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this may be too late for some of you to still attend, but the girls
obviously aren't content to bow and bend to the whims of culture! today's
show is knoxville is happening at an alternate location and will be free to
students just like the irmo show tomorrow.

here are the details:

b&h club, 1912 cumberland ave today (wednesday may 6th) at 5:30 p.m.
high schoolers get in free. adults pay $10.

hope some of you can make it!

deb

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about power of 2 -- i had that same problem.  it is my favorite song and
it took like 6 shows for me to finally hear it.  i was starting to think
that i was cursed.  so just be patient, and you will hear it!

:-) karen

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ok i was writing down a setlist of sorts for the on the road to austin
video i have...there were 2 songs i'm really not sure about!! one i
believe is called "duncan"?
i know amy turns to sara (lee) and says, do you want to do duncan? the
one from earlier..or something like that..it's not in the lifeblood
lyrics list..

and then emily does one i'm not familiar with..about he plays his songs
for free..and i play for money...
somehting like that!
anyone know the name of that one and/or anything about "duncan"?

lamia
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yes, i will call this home
i have no time to justify to you
fool, you're blind move aside for me.."
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  hey, i'd like to meet up with some of you nifty people going to the show in
austin, are we going to wear anything significant to spot each other?  and
anyone who has been; is row s on the west lawn pretty far away?  as in too far
to bring a sign?  also is anyone booting the show?  i think i've already askes
this but i'm really hoping to get a yes,  to anyone considering, the backyard
is a pretty relaxed place, pretty easy to boot.
val
whose been counting down the days till friday.  what is it 2 more now?
can't wait!!!!

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i am so outraged now!!!  this "let's cancel the ig show" seems to be
contagious!  i am sorry, but the "profanity" thing (imho) is a total cover
up!  the girls ate beimg banned because of their sexual orientation.  i
mean, really, some people are stuck in the 1950's!

maybe if the school administrators listened to something by ig before
judging them, that would help. no, ig music is not profanity-filled,
raging "lesbian" music (whatever that even is...); instead, ig music is
filled with poetic lyrics, beautiful harmonies, and two voices that blend
perfectly together! amy and emily are better role models for high
schoolers than most of the other so-called "rock" artists out there.

i am sorry, but this is just pissing me off so badly!

and what makes me almost as angry is the fact that it takes something like
this to even get ig press (mtv and others) coverage! i mean, when do we
ever hear about the girls in the news? hardly ever. people who don't
know much about them are going to get some tainted view of them.

ohhhh, i am so mad!

karen

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maybe amy needs to write a new song expanding on her original
"nashville" theme.

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 19:02:12 -0400
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on wed, 6 may 1998, kathleen mulhern wrote:

> i just read about four different articles with the principal stating
> that he did not cancel the show because of amy's and emily's
> homosexuality.
>
> hmm. this whole ordeal just gets curiouser and curiouser...

i'd attribute it to bad reporting, not an x-files conspiracy. the
mainstream media has proven that they don't have any sort of moral qualms
or objectivity, and will resort to downright lies to sell papers.

darius

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here's a ghost for the offering...
here's a truck stop instead of st. peter's..."
---rem, "man on the moon"

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 19:03:50 -0400
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> some students said they planned to protest by wearing pro-gay
> clothing and possibly staging a sit-in.
>
> what's pro-gay clothing???????

at lilith, my dear lesbian friend melissa pointed out somebody who was
wearing a shirt that said, "i liked ike." that was funny...

darius

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 16:15:08 pdt
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ok was anyone at the memphis, mud island amp concert last september??? i
was *g* wondering if anyone knew the setlist..*lol* i know it's a shot
in the dark but hey! we're full of information right?

lamia
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date: wed, 6 may 1998 19:19:47 -0400
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tom,

touche!
blush, blush...i'm sorry!
oh gawd, i'm guilty of bigotry too!
open mouth, insert big, fat foot!
bad bar, bad bar!
thanks for pointing it out.
damn i am so sorry!

reluctantly i say,
principals named were men, but that still doesn't make what i
said okay.
i was wrong, please accept my apology, tom and everyone else!

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 19:16:11 -0400
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> maybe amy needs to write a new song expanding on her original
> "nashville" theme.

that would be great if she started playing that song again, it's one of
my favourites! :)

darius

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 16:15:29 -0700
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rick hodgin wrote:

> maybe amy needs to write a new song expanding on her original
> "nashville" theme.

yeah, how about it?

"oh, knoxvii-iille, did you give us half a chance? . . ."

germantown and columbia have too many syllables :-)

apropos of nothing - the one germantown joke i know from growing
up in memphis (of which g is a shmancy suburb).

q: why don't germantown women go to funerals?
a: because they don't make black tennis dresses!

sorry, couldn't resist. (gee, tom, how dare you perpetuate a negative
stereotype! :-) )

tom

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probably rainbows? and t-shirts..i've seen tons of gay t-shirts..or
maybe indigo girls t-shirts?

lamia

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date: thu, 7 may 1998 02:22:41 -0700
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> it reminded me of some of the goofy things that people can come
> up with, when they don't know the name of a song...anybody have any really
> funny ones?
>
> sarah

actually, i'd heard scooter boys before i knew it's name, and for the longest
time i was sure she was saying "screwed up boys."
yeah, well. ;-)
michal

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> no, ig music is not profanity-filled,
> raging "lesbian" music (whatever that even is...)

i just wanted to comment that the only "lesbian" (per se) music i'd ever heard
was phranc, and the most profane thing she does on the cd i have is to sing
"surfer girl."beautifully, too, i might add.
so... here's to profane raging lesbian music!! let's hope it spreads like the
disease these principles unfortunately seem to believe it is!

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hey folks,

this was sent to the news list, but might be a bit more
appropriate for here...

sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig
sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [sydney, australia]
"this is the song that we are always just this side of singing..."
- peter mulvey

date: wed, 06 may 1998 16:55:34 -0600
from: elizabeth <elizabeth.nitz@evolving.com>
subject: email irmo and nashville mini-review

i just found the irmo high school web site and have personally
emailed the principal and assistants about their decision to cancel
the ig show and their threats to send protesters to detention. i
recommend we flood them with well-written, non-hostile complaints
and request that they respect the rights of their students to
protest against homophobia.

http://www.lex5.k12.sc.us/schools/ihs/fstaff/fstaff.html

i didn't see any reviews of the nashville 5/3 show on the
news list, but i may have missed it. highlights for me:

1. shawn colvin played just before ig and at one point ran
backstage to see if they were around to join her. she came back
onstage and shouted "them pussies won't sing!" as someone
pointed out, i don't recall them having been officially called
"pussies" in public before!

2. kid fears. special meaning to me since chiapas. tears
were inevitable.

3. while explaining why they couldn't play tangled since
they hadn't practiced, emily said "yeah, we'd f*** it up" and
amy scolded her saying "now that's why we can't play
those high school shows!"

4. they invited alana davis to sing ctf with them, and
she did a great job, obviously familiar enough the words ahead
of time. i thought it was a sweet gesture after all the complaints
about her cover of ani's 32 flavors.

anyone have anything to add?  like a set list?  it was great to
meet more listees!  i don't remember either of your names, mom &
daughter, but thanks a ton for letting me up front.  *hugs*

elizabeth back in denver

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 20:29:17 -0400
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i have a friend who lives in cleveland and for the past few years i
roadtrip up for a visit in the summer. i've been to the rnr hall of fame
twice. admission is a bit steep, imho. first time i went, it was over $20
to go into the museum, last year it was $30+ to get in. my friend told me
the price for the tickets to the annual induction ceremony was
astronomical - something like $1000+ a ticket - the joke was no one in
cleveland could afford to attend it. my friend told me last year, some
kind of rule/law was now in place to prevent folks from taking photos of
the building (which is kinda pretty and unique architecturally) with the
name of the building (it's on a large marker) included in the photo - some
kind of copyright infringement. i thought it silly, but i already have my
photo (with the name) from a couple of years ago, so hopefully i got in
under the wire.

the gift shop (also pricey) is admission-free - it has a separate outside
entrance and you can go in and buy cds, tapes, posters (i love the
beatles, but will not pay $300 for an autographed poster), t-shirts,
coffee mugs, hats, etc.

last year they had the 1960's psychedelic era (1965-69) as the main
exhibit. the exhibit themes change, but i'm not sure at what interval (how
many months). i'm one of the older list members and remember a lot of what
was on display as i lived through it. yoko ono had contributed some of
john lennon's stuff for the exhibit (his sgt. pepper suit, his black
rickenbacker guitar, some lyric sheets, his yellow rolls royce - hand
painted), janis joplin's car (a mg), also hand-painted, was there, too. i
saw the black/white poncho worn by stephen stills in the film "woodstock."
i really enjoyed seeing all this stuff - thought it was pretty cool,
brought back some fond memories of the '60s for me. but i do think the
price of admission is too much. a tip to any visitors - if you belong to
aaa, you can get a discounted ticket from them for the hall of fame.
actually, aaa has some kind of tourist package for cleveland area - sea
world, the hall of fame and something else (pro football hall of fame?)
for one price, if anyone cares.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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<< what's pro-gay clothing??????? >>

here's my personal favorite:

jesus
protect me from your followers

'nuf said.

peace,
lisa j.
hey justin: 54 days to lf albuquerque! :)

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hey folks,

i found this on wall of sound (http://www.wallofsound.com/).
i cut out the first couple of paragraphs because they were
basically restating what we've all read so many times
already...

-sherlyn

---
tuesday, may 5, 1998
hootie supports indigo girls, another high school show canceled

<snip>

the principal of the tenessee high school, ernest chism, states that his
decision to cancel the girls' show had nothing to do with the duo's
homosexuality, and was based instead on reports of vulgarity in their
shows according to the memphis commercial appeal. after hearing of the
irmo high cancellation, chism unsuccessfully attempted to contact witt,
then called the principal of a logansville, ga., school where the indigo
girls had performed earlier. "the principal told me they sung the song
that had the f-word in it and emphasized it," chism says, "the concert
went downhill from there." before the duo was booked to perform at his
school, chism had never heard of them. "if it had been my choice," he
said, "i would have liked to have had leann rimes. she's one of my
favorites."

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 18:00:33 pdt
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i got this at my other email addy and i thought i'd forward it so
anyone/everyone could offer this girl some advice!

hi!  i'm from richmond, va and am starting a "club indigo" night at a
local bar
here called babe's.  very interested in your bootlegs but have nothing
to trade.
:(  any way to get copies / rent to copy and return / purchase /
whatever?
i'm pressing all my ig videos and tv appearances to cd, and will be
playing some
rare cuts on my club nights to share with those without the means to
secure the
music elsewhere.  any advice and/or help / suggestions would be most
appreciated!!
thanks!
tara lane
in clover (formerly skuttlebutt)
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        i won't waste the bandwidth for them all now, but if you are a tina and
the b-side movement fan...you need to know that they are headed out east in
the month of june, for the first time in ages, for shows in ny, ma, ri, oh,
vt, dc and more.  if you are interested e-mail me privately and i will send
you the complete schedule.
        if you've never heard of tbsm and you live out east, get yerself to a
show!!!  i promise you will not be disappointed.  tina puts on one of the
post dynamic, energetic, powerful, rock and roll, blues, soul incredibly
amazing shows you've ever seen.  different than ig, but for a little ig
content, they are fans of tbsm.  when ig played mpls in nov97, they had
tina do a song halfway through the show and they came out for ctf, and when
amy introduced her she had very high praise for tina.
        so enough preaching...get yourself to a tina show ....e-mail me and i'll
get you those dates.

~casey

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 18:11:37 pdt
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b/c of my homophobic, paranoid, predjudiced parents i will *not* be
attending the lilith fair @ columbus, oh july 5th.
so now there are 2 tix section e row w who need loving owners...*f*
god this is so fucked..sorry ya'll but i'm more than a bit upset and
pissed off...*sighing*

so i think that altogether they were $87. if anyone wants 'em lemme
know, if someone wants to forward this to the lilith list please do! :)

info on if you want the tix e/m:
skilpatrick@bigfoot.com
kilfam@erinet.com
or me
saliers_ray@hotmail.com

lamia

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yes, i will call this home
i have no time to justify to you
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date: wed, 6 may 1998 21:19:51 -0400
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actually, a lot of bootlegs have deliberately misspelled song titles..for
some bizarre reason, it makes the recording legal...i don't know why, or
where i heard this, but every bootleg cd i own has at least one misspelled
title and the track listing is wrong...at first i thought it was an
accident too, but then i stumbled across the info i mentioned...
   anyone understand the legality?
            peace,
                sharoane

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> from: sarah pinsker <spinsker@goucher.edu>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: mystery boot
> date: wednesday, may 06, 1998 5:35 pm
>
> there was a guy selling used cds and bootlegs on campus today - i didn't
buy
> anythingm just looked at what he had...there was only one ig tape. it
said
> date unknown, location unknown. the setlist was obviously written by
> somebody who had just listened to the tape and picked out the main words-
it
> included "chicken-mush", "virginia wolfe" "least", "pretty pretenders"
"land
> of mamas and papas" (???) and some others that i can't remember. i was
> entertained.

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date: wed, 6 may 1998 21:17:35 -0400
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lamia,

i am a parent of a teen and i can't believe your parents won't let you go.
what the heck is the matter with them? you can tell them for me that if
they think they are parenting they are wrong and all they are doing is
opening wounds that will never heal....

been there done that wore the tee shirt and will never do that to my
kids....

love, karen

ps if your mom had any brains or sense, she'd go with you and have a good
time whether she wanted to or not!

adia difranco wrote:

> b/c of my homophobic, paranoid, predjudiced parents i will *not* be
> attending the lilith fair @ columbus, oh july 5th.
>
> lamia
>
> "and as you go i will spread my wings
> yes, i will call this home
> i have no time to justify to you
> fool, you're blind move aside for me.."
> --dave mathews band, don't drink the water
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my gf sent me a list of pro-gay t-shirts a long time
ago and i can't find it but i assume some "pro-gay"
clothing would be like

2qt2bstr8

i'm not gay but my girlfriend/boyfriend is

behind every successful woman stands an amazed
girlfriend (my fave!!!)

no special rights for christians

come out come out wherever you are

it's a bitch being butch

ellen is not alone

friend of dorthy's....

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hey there, folks!

i'm newish to the list... i was on the list on and off over the past
couple of years... anyways, i was hoping to add to my pitiful little
boot collection. i'd like to get the "must haves" if possible, so does
anyone have any of the following?
shades of grey
tuesday's children
live at the purple parrot

i have about 9 boots that i can trade... any takers? thanks in advance.

peace,
amy

visit me on the web!! http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7728

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just a quick thought guys.
i've been listening to ani's latest and i really dig the tracks that sara
plays on. i miss her playing with ani! sara has just got that groove
thing goin' on that so beautifully complements ani's music. plus i've heard
through the grapevine that sara isn't too busy and loves playing with ani!
this is not intended to dis' ani's current bass player.....i just would
love to see sara playing with her again.
in fact, i think i'll write ani and let her know....let the fans be heard
and all.
here's the addy if anyone else is interested.
like i said, just a thought!

righteous babe records
p.o. box 95 ellicott station
buffalo, ny 14205
or call
1 800 on her own

i'm sure sara would appreciate our support!
join me!
cheri

hey all

does anyone know what time sonia is playing at iota tomorrow night?
anyone planning on going and interested in meeting up?

peace
-kay

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i saw this guy wearing this nifty shirt it was white and on the chest it
looked like it was one of those trendy gap shirts w/ the blue square around it
but instead it said gay
:)
k bye

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i like the one that says "win a toaster oven... ask me how" :o)

and i saw a guy with a really cool one on the other day that said "first... i
must sprinkle you with fairy dust" :o)

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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hey.  so, i know that i'm just adding to the multitude of outraged etc.
posts on all these cancellations, but i can't help it.  i'm actually
really confused about the minds of these principals.  no one hit them
over the head and forced them to book a band at their school.  they
decided.  they booked the band.  they knew who they were booking.  it's
not exactly a secret that the girls are gay so if the idiots felt so
strongly about that why invite them in the first place.  and is it so
impossible to ask the girls either not to play the song or replace
f--king up with screwing up, messing up or something along those lines.

julia (wondering sarcastically if maybe those principals woke up this
weekend and discovered that they had unwittingly booked a band to play
at their school, not just any band, but a band of (gasp) lesbians who
(gasp) swear)

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hey folks,

i know we've been inundated with all this information, so i'll
probably stop forwarding so much stuff after this. this is a
very good article though...

-sherlyn

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[ wed., may 6, 7:10 pm pdt ]
indigo girls show axed by third high-school principal

students plan to protest cancellation of shows by walking out of class.

randy reiss:

the indigo girls' abbreviated tour of high schools in the south became
even shorter tuesday night when the principal of farragut high school in
knoxville, tenn., canceled the lesbian folk-rock duo's wednesday (may 6)
appearance at the school.

that move follows two similar cancellations this week in germantown,
tenn., and irmo, s.c., where the indigo girls show was called off due in
part to the duo's homosexuality. this cancellation was then followed by
the one in germantown and now in knoxville, both schools in which the
principals claim that sexuality had nothing to do with their decision to
cancel the shows.

according to farragut high school teacher and concert organizer jeff
callahan, principal edwin hedgepeth canceled the concert tuesday morning,
citing the group's use of the word "fucking" onstage at an april 13 show
at loganville high school in loganville, ga.

"i called [indigo girls] management as soon as i was told and they told
me [the use of the f-word] was a one time occurrence and that they had
apologized and had not performed the song since," callahan said.

when callahan relayed this message to hedgepeth, however, the head
educator held his ground. "we had a lot of calls from parents and very
politically active churches," callahan explained. "a lot of people here
think the only reason this was canceled was because they're lesbians."

hedgepeth couldn't be reached for comment at press time, but in a report
in wednesday's (may 6) knoxville news-sentinel, he denied that the
cancellation had anything to do with the lesbianism of singer/guitarists
amy ray and emily saliers.

"i'm not sure exactly (in) what context (profanity) was used, whether it
was used in an actual song or whether it was used onstage at some point
in a comment," hedgepeth told the newspaper. "i'd rather err on the side
of caution when it comes to the people that we have presenting in the
schools."
doug crosier, principal at franklin high school in franklin, tenn.,
where the group performed on monday, said that he called hedgepeth
following the group's performance at his school and told him that it
went off without a hitch.

"i told him the show was fine and that no one was going to get up in
front of a group of students and shoot themselves in the foot like
that," crosier explained.

as for the concert at his school, crosier said it was enjoyable for
everyone involved, with the grammy-winning duo performing for a half-hour
and then taking questions for a half-hour, during which time they talked
about how they got started in the music business and their views on the
environment. "at the end of the show," crosier said, "we were really
thankful for them coming and they were very thankful for us having them
here."

crosier also said he had received three phone calls from concerned
parents regarding the show, but that "no one was unreasonable about it."

the indigo girls have been touring high schools and universities since
mid-april to warm up for their upcoming dates on the popular all-women
lilith fair summer tour. they were also using their current schools tour
to reach out to their younger fans in a smaller, noncommercial setting.

principal gerald witt of irmo high school in irmo, s.c., canceled a show
last week originally scheduled for thursday (may 7) following complaints
from parents and students not only about the duo's sexuality but also
about holding a concert during a school assembly. when news of that
cancellation broke, ernest chism, principal at germantown high school in
germantown, tenn., followed by calling off a gig scheduled to be held at
his school last tuesday, citing the group's use of the word "fucking" in
their song "shame on you" (realaudio excerpt) during the tour's first
date at loganville high school in loganville, ga., as the reason behind
the decision.

"anytime stuff like that happens, it has a tendency to have a snowball
effect," national gay & lesbian task force spokesperson tracey conaty
said upon learning of the recent knoxville cancellation. "people get
pressure from a small group of local parents and it's very easy to give
in to that pressure."

as disappointed as she is in the cancellation, conaty says that just
raising awareness of gays and lesbians in these communities is a victory
in itself and that if it had to be anyone, she's glad it happened to the
indigo girls. "they're so articulate and committed to issues of
fairness," she explained. "and to have them representing this issue can
only benefit everyone involved."

the canceled knoxville show was quickly rescheduled to take place
wednesday night (may 6) at barley & hops, a club with a capacity of 500.
barley & hops owner sean blair said he had heard about the cancellations
before he was contacted to host the show and was happy to be able to
help.

"we're glad to have them," blair said, "and i haven't had any complaints
about having them here. mostly, people are coming up to me and saying,
'thanks!' "

blair also said that the show starts at 5:30 p.m. and will be free to
area high-school students with a valid high-school id. everyone else will
pay $10.

the irmo high school show was also rescheduled, with the indigo girls
slated to appear thursday night (may 7) at the 3,000-capacity richland
township auditorium in columbia, s.c., at 8 p.m. according to epic
records publicist lisa markowitz, 2,000 of those tickets have been set
aside for people who show up with a valid student-identification card,
while the remaining seats will be available to the general public for
$15.

students at irmo high school and farragut high school are both planning
protests over the cancellations. according to callahan, students at
farragut high were having a rally after school wednesday (may 6) at the
school's flag pole to protest the cancellation and others have posted
signs at the school that read "indigo home." in irmo, students have been
handing out flyers that encourage students to walk out of class at
8:45 a.m. on thursday, the day when the indigo girls were scheduled to
play.

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hey all!

well thanks for all your interest, but the book is spoken for. i'll contact the
next person on the list if something doesn't work out with this first person, or
if i spot another cheapo book (i gotta go bargain book searching more often!)...

marivel

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my fave - two cartooned houswivesof the 50's, one saying to the other "oh i
don't miond straight people, just as they act gay in public"
or "nobody knows i'm gay" is what i wore in high school...

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hey y'all! you lucky, lucky folks... perspectives from
barb & twink! in one post!!!

just wanted to talk about a couple of things ellen said tonight:

1.) they briefly mentioned that someone doing a british documentary
    was taping... as the final show wrapped up the taping.
    (does anyone know anything about this? i'd really be interested
     in finding out what the documentary is all about... if y'all get
     any info, please let me know.)

2.) they mentioned that ellen has a new movie coming out. this was
the first i'd heard of that. anyone know anything about it?

i'd like to say that... despite the program's "sameness" (to quote the
spokesman from abc) of dealing with gay issues this past year... i
really think it was a groundbreaking series. i keep thinking about all
the schools that are cancelling ig shows right now... that, combined
with the cancellation of ellen's series, seems to me to send an unwanted
message to our glb youth. it's saying to them, "hey, it's okay to be
gay if you don't sing about it or deal with it in a sitcom." and i think
that's dangerous for our youth.

i recall that tonight's show mentioned that ellen was considering
traveling around and speaking to people about being gay and how it
doesn't mean there's something wrong with you.  i had to stop and wonder
if any of the schools who cancelled ig shows would ever allow ms.
degeneres to visit their schools to talk to their kids... and i think we
all know what that answer would be.  hell no!!!  (oh, sorry... i
cursed... they'd never let me in those schools either i guess!)
ig, i think, is taking some positive steps to combat the homophobia in
the school systems by finding other venues and going on with the free
shows... despite all the cancellations.  and i think this makes a strong
statement to those kids... it says that the indigo girls care about them
and want to perform these shows and that they will find a way no matter
what!

okay, i'm preaching... really this was just some stuff that was on my
mind and i needed to vent.

anyway, thanks for listening...
later,
twink!

(barb here adding her 2 cents...) i feel kinda sad, especially seeing
ellen still emotional at this point about her series coming to an end.
i remember how thrilled we were when the puppy episode aired!  and, how
we looked forward each week to ellen, realizing that we were witnessing
television history (... er, uh... herstory)  being made.  yea, i'm sad
that she won't be around on abc, but i am hopeful that now the door has
been opened.  i don't think this was a one-time thing and it's gonna
take some time before another series takes the leap.  heck, i can't wait
until the day that it's no big deal to have a gay lead character on the
small screen!  she made a difference!

enough for now! i'll go back to lurking now, and mouring ellen!

barb

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in a message dated 98-05-06 22:53:34 edt, bf2brland@sprintmail.com writes:

<< 2.) they mentioned that ellen has a new movie coming out. this was
the first i'd heard of that. anyone know anything about i >>

it's mentioned in the entertainment weekly article this week:
"her next film, goodbye lover, opens at the cannes film festival in may. in
june she'll begin shooting ed tv, a ron howard comedy, with matthew
mcconaughey. she does not play a lesbian in either film.

:-) peace,
rick
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this profanity deal is definitely a lame excuse! how many music groups and
singers have curses or unappropriate lines in their music?? indigo girls have
one curse in one of their many songs and thats their reason for cancelling a
show. it is so obviously based on their sexual orientation! hell, come to my
high school! i'm sure we'd be glad to have them play. ~deb

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god, i really don't know what to say...i just think this whole
experience has been really eye opening...it's very disappointing, and
saddening...and it angers me. :(  it seemed like *so* much headway had
been made until this started snowballing...shit!
as a previous post (article) stated...i too, am glad that the i.g. have
the chance to fight the shit that's happening to them right now...i
don't think anyone else could do it as effectively as i feel that they
will.  dammit...i just feel so bad for them right now...they're not
superhumans...they can't *not* feel pain regarding this discrimination
and blatant fucking homophobia.  i wish i could stop it...all of it! for
me, and for you, and for *them*. :(  but, i can't...i can just be
pissed...and try to make a *little* bit of a difference with my words
and letters...hmmm...
they really need our support now, guys...we can all stick together
through this pile of crap and start the shit a flyin'...it's headin'
straight for the fan (man...did it *already* hit?!) this feels like a
dream...uggghhh!
life's so strange...

bethany

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hey all...i just had to stick this in - i have two shitrts that i love:

1) a shirt that looks like it has an oreo logo on it but instead it says
"b glad" (and on the back it says "bisexual gay lesbian awareness day"
--a friend of mine got this from a thing they had every year...

2) yep i'm gay! now where's my toaster oven?
--*snickers* my friend got this for me from ca...i wore it to lilith in
scranton last year :)

the one i am dying to get:
"strong enough for a man but made for a woman."

*cackles*

--audra

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hey kind friends,
puh-leeze enlighten me further, k?
toaster ovens pop up every now and then.
(no pun intended)
so, what's with the toaster ovens?
thank ya much!

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i am looking forward to their polaris concert and my ride backed out and
i can not go unless i find another one to take me.i had neck surgery in
november and i can not drive 40 min. from newark by that time. anyone
willing to help me out. there is an extra ticket as well for the show. i am
posting this early incase the one i asked tells me no. i really want to go.
i have been upset since this ladie decided not to go and will not even talk
to me now so i thought i would write this to the list in hopes my luck
changes. missy

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ok y'all, i've been meaning to do this for a bit, ever since i saw
someone mention it on the ng months ago.  and i finally did some
research.  so, here's what i've come up with.  i can order mass
quantites custom made bumper stickers, of good quality, at very fair
prices.  depending on the number ordered, with a minimum of 150, each
individual sticker will cost from about .88 (yes that's 88 cents) to
almost a quarter, if 1000 are ordered.  this is for the basic, 1 color,
sticker.  2 colors is a little less than double the price of one.
graphics are a basic $46 charge.  that said, is there interest for an ig
themed bumper sticker out there?  keep in mind that i am not looking to
profit in any way here, and you will be charged my cost plus shipping.
i'm thinking, if you just want 1 sticker, probably $1.50 - $2.00.
(total)  anybody have any thoughts on 1 vs 2 color, graphics
possibilites, and copyright issues?

before i begin to take orders... let's have some discussion by
interested parties on some wording that everyone can agree on. my
personal favorite:

"i'd rather be indigoing"

thanks,
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date: wed, 6 may 1998 23:38:39 -0400
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i got it now, so i got one,

if you think i'm cute, you should see my mom's girlfriend

a little nursery school munchkin was wearing this shirt .

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hi :o)

someone on the list a little while ago made this huge offer to sell
some bumper stickers..there was a list of like 150 of them or something?
could whoever that was please email me? thanks! :o)

-heather

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oh, sorry, more details. the sizes on the bumper stickers i gave prices
for are 3'' x 11 1/2''. other sizes available, but a bit more
expensive, are
2 1/2'' x 9 1/4'';
3'' x 9'';

when i say a bit more expensive, they never get to be more than $2.50
per sticker.

well, there's more.  does anyone care?  i was adviesd that 3'' x 11
1/2'' is the way to go.  it's just a normal looking bumper sticker
size.  there are also the window stickers that are clear, if anyone's
interested in that.  or 3'' circular diameter, or 4'' circular
diameter.  choices, choices!  the clear ones are more expensive, but at
the very most (2 color, only 150 ordered) they would be $2.24 per
sticker.  pretty cheap if you ask me.  ok, nuff said.  unless anyone's
interested in an ig license plate frame, mouse pad, sunbuster, magnet,
ruler, photo frame, computer monitor frame, or parking permit.  (i've
got a big catalog here, just playin')

lizzy

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years ago lil' ol closeted me had a tee with a rainbow on it. the tee read:
"i know that you know" i felt daring...
sigh... :-)
i've seen one that said "how dare you assume i'm straight"
peace... kim
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the first reference i ever saw to toaster ovens was on ellen's coming out
episode. before she officially came out to susan - she was all acting
like "are you trying to recruit me?" and susan said something like "damn
one more and i would have gotten that toaster oven!" and then at the end
of the show melissa etheridge was like "ellen morgan, are you gay?" ellen
said, "yes - yes i am" *rofl* and so she signed all these papers and
melissa stamped them and said "congratulations susan!" and gave her a
toaster oven *hee*
if there are any earlier refs, anyone else can chip in :)

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hey lizzy~

great idea on the stickers! i'd take at least 2 of:

"i'd rather be indigoing"

somewhat sublte, yet right to the point! :)

tony

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over the past few days i have noticed a lot of people upset about the
cancellations and the bigotry that goes along with it. this is
understandable, but not surprising, i think we all agree that it sucks.

but..............let's look at the bright side...yes there is one.....have
we all taken note of the outpouring of support for our girls.  the
positive, supportive e-mails at the state's forum section are stacking up
(maybe someone can post that addy again, so you all can read them) but they
far outweigh the negative and several have popped up on the "i agree with
the cancellation" section, trying to reason with them, i love that approach
: )
        and at least two of these shows have happened anyway, with free tickets
(for highschoolers) being offered by area businesses that are hosting the
rescheduled shows.  and most importantly, this issue is being discussed in
homes and businesses and newspapers where it would never been discussed
otherwise.  and maybe a few of those people will hear ig's music and
understand how they are about so much more than the fact that they are
lesbians.
        i for one think it is great that ig are challenging people to think about
these things.  we can't sit around whining that people are bigoted, that
won't change anything, i have to imagine in someway ig new this would
happen, maybe not cancellations, but some sort of debate, a little
controversy is a good thing.  and listen to what the kids are saying, so
much of it is very positive, that's where the real change begins.

enough for now~
~casey

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hey kind friends!

        well, i went to the first weekend of jazz fest '98 and it was
awesome as usual :)  the highlights for me were bonnie raitt, keb' mo' (who
is absolutely spectacular!), john mooney, ronnie dawson, buffy saint marie,
and etta james.
        several folks reported having religious experiences during the etta
james performance :o

        my favorite line of the weekend was when bonnie raitt came on stage
after etta james,
        "man i saw keb' mo' and john mooney play earlier.  and now etta
james... and she left this big grease spot up here.  now how am i supposed
to follow that!?"

>> maybe amy needs to write a new song expanding on her original
>> "nashville" theme.

something to the gist of "your hatred is rooted in your fear/ and your
paranoia and insecurities, well they don't belong here." yeah, that's
about right.

god bless america!
jill

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>actually, i'd heard scooter boys before i knew it's name, and for the
longest
>time i was sure she was saying "screwed up boys."
>yeah, well. ;-)

yeah, carol tells me y'all discussed this when i went off for a weekend
(something about mr. limes???), but still to this day, i swear amy's
saying, "you shook it off with a smurf and a toss and you were only
joking..."

jill

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some
>kind of rule/law was now in place to prevent folks from taking photos
of
>the building (which is kinda pretty and unique architecturally) with
the
>name of the building (it's on a large marker) included in the photo -
some
>kind of copyright infringement.

yeah, that's right... a friend of mine had her prom there; they weren't
allowed to photograph the second level, where the exhibits were. she
had someone photograph her looking over the 2nd floor balcony and that
really riled up some security guard.

and the dinner they served gave everyone food poisoning.

jill

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"one more recruit and i win the toaster oven!"

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hey guys, i graduated from farragut two years ago and i go to ut
knoxville. wow, this controversy haas been huge here. i wanted to tell
y'all that if you have the impression that all of us that live here
agree with the decision that was made to cancel the fhs show, you have
the wrong idea.
obviously, i am totally ashamed of the actions of my former
principal and those who pressured him to do this. the situation in
farragut is basically that this gigantic church, concord baptist, does a
lot of brainwashing around here and wields a lot of political power.
apparently, the youth minister from this church called the fhs
principal, ed hedgepeth,to voice his concerns. we all know, and everyone
in farragut knows, that this is the real reason the show was canceled.
the profanity thing is just an excuse, coverup. i dont know why, but
hedgepeth gave in to the baptists on this one. it is shameful. overall,
it was the concerns of minority of powerful peoplethat overrided the
majority of us normal people.
but the good news is that a lot of us around here have common sense
and i am proud of the protests that have ensued. as mentioned earlier,
students at fhs wore rainbow ribbbons, stickers that said "pro indigo"
and a group even made shirts that said"free speech is dead at fhs". the
concert at barley and hopps was a complete success even though i couldnt
get in because it was so crowded. my roommate, ayappa biddanda, (the
brother of the co-editor of fhs' newspaper whose quote was in many of
the news reports) was there for it all, and this is his report, he has a
good sense of humor:

"
the press conference began at about 4:42 (give
or take) and it was me, a crow's nest photographer, a farragut press
enterprise reporter, and the 3 news channels that were there (my bro and
his
pal missed it).  we spoke with amy (the brunette) for a while.  after
that
was over and the others left, i spoke with her for a bit more.  right
before
she had to go, i gave her a hug because...well, first of all, just to
get a
hug from an indigo girl! but also to show them that knoxville still
loves
them.  i think she got the message.  then she went onstage for
soundcheck.
and this, i swear, is a moment i will never forget:  while she was
walking
towards the stage, the 3 news cameras and sundry folks seemed to
disappear...i still haven't figured out where they went.  anyways, as
she
picked up her guitar, the 5 or 6 other folks in the bar seemed to
disappear.
i just sat there and it seemed like she was playing just for me.  we
made
eye-contact and her sonorous words melted in my heart...
        of course, she was just making sure here guitar worked, but let
me
live in my world of pretend, ok??  thanks.
        as amy was tearing away at her tool, emily came sauntering out
and
so...non-inhibitive me moseyed on over to her.  i talked to her for a
bit
and we exchanged a hug as well.  it was then her turn to get on stage
for
her soundcheck.  she did and the same magic occurred.
        amy then came out and we started talking for a while more.  by
now
my brother and his pal had arrived.  my bro was sporting a "free speech
is
dead at fhs" shirt that amy got a kick out of.  (on the back, it likened
fhs
to a prison)
        some of the things that were said: i asked about how they felt
about
the political controversy surrounding the situation and you could really
see
the frustration in amy's eyes as she answered.  she said the part that
hurt
the most was the lack of "a dialogue" (as she put it) between the
principal
and the group.  she said at least the germantown principal had talked
with
them, but hedgepeth wasn't speaking with anyone, even the group.  i also

felt that it must have hurt them to be trying to do something good--get
students involved in the creative process--and be rudely turned away. i

also asked them about the evolution of their music, which they said was
always taking a new direction and continually exciting.  i asked them a
puff
question about whether they ever regretted coming out to the world and
if
they could have reached a larger, more mainstream audience by staying in
the
closet.  amy was adamant that they made the right decision (which is
what i
figured she'd say) and mentioned it's all about honesty.  that you have
to
be true to yourself and the ones around you.  we discussed a few other
things also.
        the hurt that was evident earlier was soon allayed.  as they
took
the stage to begin the show, the crowd bombarded them with applause of
support and words of encouragement.  and that, i think, really touched
them.
they began grinning, and soon were beaming.  they were surprised by the
atmosphere of overwhelming love.   the audience provided tremendous
amounts of energy and the duo fed off that, evidenced in the
performance.
(oh, and the audience provided tremendous amounts of screaming
also...i'm
still deafened in my left ear because some girl couldn't stop sqealing
for
an hour and a half...did she have a set of vocal cords!)...and the crowd
was
very interesting--they let in highschoolers first and then ut students
(a
bunch of my friends couldn't get in, so i feel kinda guilty...ah well,
i'll
get over it).  and i was standing front row center for the whole show.
all
around me, these high school girls were jumping up and down and rubbing
all
over me.  well, anyway you can some action, huh?  if it has to be
pre-pubescent girls, then so be it....
        but i digress.  ;)
        it really was an electric night and i think some of the indigo
girls
faith was re-affirmed.  and they kept telling me they had no beef with
knoxville, just the administration at fhs (hmm...guess they should join
the
club).  magical is the only thing to describe it.  it was a wonderful
night
and i hope i didn't bore anyone by recounting it just now...it's really
what
i needed right before finals...speaking of which, maybe i should
actually
begin some studying...
        maybe.
     "

so thats what happened. i have to go to sleep now.

-david, who still wants everyone to love jewel
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>"the principal told me they sung the song
>that had the f-word in it and emphasized it," chism says...

"i am a problem child/ i've been wild all my days..."

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included in the photo -
>some
>>kind of copyright infringement.
>
hmmm, i was in a thrifty prom shoot in front of the rock hall, but it
was with the big cleveland newspaper...the plain dealer.
i should go & see if you can see the name.
do you think that because it was a newspaper we were allowed? i know we
couldn't go to the exibits (most) for the shoot, but we could have the
general stuff (hanging fuzzy cars).
carol
(no, i'm not a model...just a whiner, and a "little nipper")

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>and then emily does one i'm not familiar with..about he plays his
>songs
>for free..and i play for money...
>somehting like that!

ooohhh i know this is a joni mitchell song but i'm not sure of
the correct title or which album it's on ...maybe "for free?"

gynergy

>"i'd rather be indigoing"

<ahem> "i'd rather be carrying amy ray's love child."

(just wait!!! it'll happen!! researchers are trying to fuse eggs
together or something to make babies! really...!)

jill
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>they really need our support now, guys...we can all stick together
>through this pile of crap and start the shit a flyin'...

hey y'all,
do ya think we could all chip in and make a donation to youth pride (in
atlanta) or the sexual minority youth assistance league (in dc)? both
are listed as 'resources' in the liner notes of sots.

those of you down south could offer your time and volunteer a little
with gay youth groups around these areas (irmo, farragut, etc.).

if you personally went to any of the high schools, you can try what i
did at my old high school:  march on in there and demand permission to
start a gay/straight alliance.  i don't know the official laws, etc.
behind it, but i believe they cannot deny you this.  go to glsen's
website (www.glsen.org maybe?) and read their directions on "how to
start a gsa".  or find out when the next faculty meeting is (you're
allowed to go to those, ya know... the community can go) and stand up
and voice your complaints.  loudly.

do not take it. do something. do it for the kids, for christ's sake.

jill

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carol, ever-confusing, scrawled:
>hmmm, i was in a thrifty prom shoot in front of the rock hall, but it
>was with the big cleveland newspaper...the plain dealer.
(translation: she was picked to find prom clothes in thrift stores and
model them, all for an article for the teen section of the plain dealer
last year. very, ah, amusing.)

>(no, i'm not a model...just a whiner, and a "little nipper")
(my stepmother saw the big front page picture, and was all oohin' and
aaahin' over it, and then i turn the page, and boom, there's carol
again, lookin' cute as a smurf or something equally cute, and my
stepmother, reknowned for her, uhm, interesting word choices, goes,
"well, look at *that*! she stole the show, the little *nipper*!")

oh my.

jill

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hey folks,

this came through the news list....

-sherlyn
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date: thu, 07 may 1998 01:02:33 -0400
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hello:

i guess some folks might be interested in knowing how the rescheduled
knoxville, tn 'high-school' show went.  i'll try to be brief:
        i'm told it was to begin at 5.30 pm...at 4:30 there was a crowd of about
200-250 and three local network news trucks broadcasting.  around 5:35 they
started asking high school folks to come to the front and enter.  i'm
guessing that around 100 or so went in and then they started letting the
public in.  there was no line--just a crowd of folks funneling (and
pushing) through.  we were searched (patted down and with metal detectors).
the show started around 6:10.  i'm not sure how many were allowed
inside--i've heard numbers between 300-500 (the local news reported
300...the venue guy told me 500).  there was a crowd outside that didn't
make it in.  let's see....the show started and for the first three songs
the news camera folks were excusing themselves to the front to video the
girls and the crowd.  amy ray made a comment after the first song that the
high school tour had not started out political, but to encourage the arts
in high school.  she laughed and said something like 'look were we are now'.
        i can't remember a set list in order: it's alright, joking, galileo,
chickenman, a song that said 'redemtion song', let it be me, i don't wanna
know,  kid fears, pushing the needle too far (i think),  power of two,
least complicated, shed your skin, scooter boys, closer to fine, and
probably one or two i can't remember now.  during the show a student passed
a suspension notification to the girls and they both laughed and signed it
and passed it back.  at the end of the show amy said for everyone to be
kind to each other--even when we didn't agree with each other to be kind.
they were both very much smiling during the show and occasionally joking
with each other out of mike range.  it was over around 7:30 or 7:40 and the
house security had the place cleared out in about 10 minutes.  there was a
last minute surge for picks and set lists and sulli and two other guys
threw them into the crowd.  it looked like it got a little tense for a
minute and i saw sulli accidentally 'correct' a staff member for jumping
the barricade to begin breaking down the equipment (hey, get back, get down
from there!).
        the venue was a no smoking establishment and they didn't serve alcohol
during the show.  i heard nary a curse word---except from the
high-schoolers themselves (just kiddin').  all three local news shows
carried it as their lead story during the 11:00 news.
        so there is a snippet of my observations tonight....

you all have a great day,
cathy

in a message dated 98-05-06 23:00:06 edt, debster21@aol.com writes:

<< this profanity deal is definitely a lame excuse! how many music groups and
singers have curses or unappropriate lines in their music?? >>

that's what i'm saying!!! would they rather have had someone like rebecca,
who sings "mama doesn't like when i sin so well/heaven's kinda far but i swear
that when i'm coming it's close"??? or maybe they'd rather have marilyn
manson. after all, the only deviance about *his* sexual preference is his
tendency toward farm animals. and certainly they're female farm animals. he
wouldn't tend toward <gasp> homosexuality.

bullshit.

peace, harmony and indigo concerts at high schools,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
- president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
and tigger, who had been hiding behind trees and jumping
out on pooh's shadow when it wasn't looking, said that
tiggers were only bouncy before breakfast, and that as soon
as they had had a few haycorns they became quiet and refined.
********************************************************************

oh, i forgot... maybe they'd rather have the band playing on the radio now...

after all, everybody loves cherry-poppin' daddies. right?

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
- novitiate of suzanneglassism
- president, grlchasr26 fan club
********************************************************************
and tigger, who had been hiding behind trees and jumping
out on pooh's shadow when it wasn't looking, said that
tiggers were only bouncy before breakfast, and that as soon
as they had had a few haycorns they became quiet and refined.
********************************************************************

here's the text of a t-shirt i bought last pride in the netherlands:

"dip me in honney and throw me to the lesbians"

another t-shirt i have has the text:

"when god created man she was only joking"

miriam (with the hat!)
miriam@perfection.nl

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> i just wanted to comment that the only "lesbian" (per se) music i'd ever heard
> was phranc, and the most profane thing she does on the cd i have is to sing
> "surfer girl."beautifully, too, i might add.
> so... here's to profane raging lesbian music!! let's hope it spreads like the
> disease these principles unfortunately seem to believe it is!

what about holly near and the rest of the women's musicians? hell,
ronnie gilbert, the gracefully aged woman that she is, sings overtly
lesbian songs. it is just that lesbian music was marginalized into
this group called women's music so that they wouldn't even be in folk
sections at record stores and no one but radical feminist lesbians
would ever see it. (on a not lesbian sweet honey love song--i
don't think they have ever done a "lesbian song"--there is the liner
note: "she left me, i wrote this song, she came back, only to leave
me again"--or would that make it a lesbian song?).

deirdre

you said love is touching souls
surely you touched mine

-joni

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...anything jesse helms is not wearing

sorry, i know, it's bad

xo, sus

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"when god created man she was only joking"

*hee* and wrap the igs all up in that one!
"and she was only joking...she was only joking, brither!"
*cackles*

--audra

my mom has a tee that says "my daughter's lover is a lesbian"

she's gonna wear it to atlanta pride this year ;)

~~robin

hey now! it might be a somewhat unfortunate name, but it's a great
band. swing it!
randy rodriguez
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>sent:  thursday, may 07, 1998 5:15 am
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject:       re: cancellations...
>
>oh, i forgot... maybe they'd rather have the band playing on the radio now...
>
>after all, everybody loves cherry-poppin' daddies.  right?
>
>peace, harmony and indigo,
>
>tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
>  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
>    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
>********************************************************************
>and tigger, who had been hiding behind trees and jumping
>out on pooh's shadow when it wasn't looking, said that
>tiggers were only bouncy before breakfast, and that as soon
>as they had had a few haycorns they became quiet and refined.
>********************************************************************
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hi all,
     this is very brief because i'm running very late!  i just emailed a
good friend of mine who is very active in a middle tenn. gay and lesbian
alliance.  i told him how outraged we are over the cancellations.  i
asked him if he either had some news that we didn't know about the shows
or if there is anything that he could suggest that we could do.  as soon
as i hear from him, i will forward it to the list.
     i am not happy about all of this happening.  i guess that the one
positive thing that has come out of this (if you can call it that) has
been to remind me that homophobia is still alive and kicking in this
world.

smiles,
allison

how about

"i'm not a lesbian, but my girlfriend is" or "i'm not gay but my
boyfriend is"

peace,

dan

in more than one article i've heard the girls referred to as a "lesbian folk
duo" or a "folk lesbian duo", etc.

every time i hear these phrases, i gotta wonder why "straight" bands aren't
billed this way. "members of the heterosexual rock group aerosmith..."

may we live to see the day when these lables won't be necessary!

peace,
lisa j

anyone going to friday nights show interested in getting together after
the show?

perhaps at kerby lane on so. lamar?

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

for all the ani fans in indigoland.... from the mtv web site:

ani difranco, at least her voice and likeness, can be seen on this
week's edition of the fox animated series "king of the hill."

                            difranco plays a feminist rocker named emily
who urges hank hill's wife peggy to reject her role as homemaker. as
part
                            of her attempts to change peggy's ways,
emily invites mrs. hill to a mothers' day recital, which emily says is
designed to
                            take a "pot-shot" at the holiday. when hill
family patriarch hank asks emily why she would want to take a swipe at
                            mothers' day, difranco's character snaps
back, "well, it's kind of bizarre, don't you think? the greeting card
                            companies invented this holiday in 1914, and
now the whole country celebrates another stereotype of what
                            women are supposed to be."[1 m quicktime]

the voice of the late tammy wynette also
appears in the episode, which airs this sunday at 8:30 p.m. on fox.

difranco joins green day and willie nelson
in the pantheon of musical artist to turn up on the show, which is the
latest
creation from "beavis and butt-head"
mastermind mike judge.

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

last year at the ig show i saw a t-shirt that said... i'm not a lesbian, but
my girlfriend is.

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couldn't have said it better ...
meg

on wed, 6 may 1998, barbara wrote:

> fuck those bigoted, ignorant, vile, disgusting, male pin heads!
> i am just sick, sick over these cancellations!
> i feel physically sick over this, like i'm gonna throw up...
> this is such an outrage!!!!
> shame, shame on them!
> this is a sad, mournful day for humanity!
>
> peace + love,
> barbara
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hi!

for everybody, who is still looking for kristen hall's fact and
fiction:
i just got an e-mail from ladyslipper saying that they still have some
copies (tapes, not cds) available!!!
so, order away:-)).

peace,
kathrin

p.s. thanks again for the hint claudine:-).

speaking as a lesbian youth..(**l** that sounds weird) i'd say that the
message all this is sending is a very depressing one.
first of all the girls not being able to play..if the indigo girls are
not welcome in a public high school..then it has to make the
gay/lesbian/bi students feel like they're unwelcome as well..if they're
not out then of course they have to feel as if they will be treated the
same, if not worse, as the indigo girls.

as for the cancelation of ellen. it's saying it's ok to be gay so long
as you don't let anyone know..they're saying "stay in the closet!!"
*sighing* it's hard enough to find gay role models for teens. b/c you
can't find them in school, or at church, work, anywhere...especially
here b/c it's such a small town. there's no chapter of pflag, there's no
resource center nothing like that...it's mississippi..home of the ragin
southern baptists...
i think i know one person who's bi..and he's just someone i know in
passing..people my age can't even see someone like them on tv and that's
really sad..maybe we didn't have anything in common with ellen except
for the fact she's gay but at least we could identify with some of the
things she was going through in that respect...

all this is coming at the absolute worst time for me..my parents (as of
yesterday) won't let me talk to my girlfriend..b/c she's over 18 and i'm
only 17...it's horrible it's the worst...and w/everything i see being so
anti-gay it's really depressing. there's really not anyone here i can
talk to b/c it's such a small town..i don't know anyone who's gay at
all...my friends think they understand but they don't...*sighing* oh
well i'm going around in circles...not making any sense..

lamia

"and as you go i will spread my wings
yes, i will call this home
i have no time to justify to you
fool, you're blind move aside for me.."
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audra wrote:
the one i am dying to get:
"strong enough for a man but made for a woman."

oooh! me too! a gal at the starkville concert had one and i just loved
it! does anyone know where i can order it from?

lamia

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yes, i will call this home
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hey y'all

sitting here recovering from walking pnemonia i have been following with
great interest the situation in the south.  frankly, the whole mess
depresses me.  i know this a generalization but why are the supposed
"christians" not so "christian"?  i thought they were told to love all?

anyway, cnn is running a piece today on the girls. it is complete with
an interview by the principal, who swears it is not a lesbian thing, and
sound bites from the students.

take care and remember to treat each other with respect and kindness.

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hey
y'all

sitting here recovering
from walking pnemonia i have been following with great interest the situation
in the south. frankly, the whole mess depresses me. i know
this a generalization but why are the supposed "christians" not so "christian"?
i thought they were told to love all?

anyway, cnn is running
a piece today on the girls. it is complete with an interview by the
principal, who swears it is not a lesbian thing, and sound bites from the
students.

take
care and remember to treat each other with respect and kindness.
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if i am not mistaken.....(could happen)
the toaster oven is a quote for the ellen coming out show.
the inference was that if you convert so many (to the gay/lesbian life)
then you will will a toaster oven.

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in a message dated 98-05-07 01:18:03 edt, jillyc@hotmail.com writes:

<< hey y'all,
do ya think we could all chip in and make a donation to youth pride (in
atlanta) or the sexual minority youth assistance league (in dc)? both
are listed as 'resources' in the liner notes of sots. >>

hey yall
i totally agree here especially bout the volunteer stuff, ok so i have to
mention it again, but if you want to donate money to smyal, you can do it and
get a phatty t-shirt from our concert, but not that you should have to be
persuaded by a cool shirt, but ya know, so if anyone decides to make a
donation, lemme know and we can work out something for a shirt if you want
one...

peace
sasha

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> she does not play a lesbian in either film.

and why should she? she's an actress, hehehehehe...it's pretend.
go see ellen in the movies anyway...she's funny no matter what she's
doing...
peace
sharoane

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at 05:01 pm 5/5/98 , strangefire ig wrote:
>i was pretty surprised to see that julie wolf was playing with ani!! i'm
>pretty sure she is the same julie wolf who plays regularly with laura
>love (amazing artist!!)

it is.

> if it is her...she has an amazing voice...plays
>a lot of instruments and is really great! but be forewarned...i bought
>her cd...and in my opinion, (please no flames) it was very bad. she is a
>really good backup singer...and i know she will one day turn out a
>really good cd. but only get her cd if you like piano bar music (think
>marilyn monroe husky voice type music). but she sounds amazing live!!!

well... i don't think the album is bad, but it's not a style of music
likely to appeal to fans of love, difranco, or ig.

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how about "i'm not gay but my girlfriend is"?
my gf, who used to claim she was bi, brought it back from p town and wears
it out clubbing sometimes...
peace,
sharoane

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hey y'all

sitting here recovering from walking pnemonia i have been following with
great interest
the situation in the south. frankly, the whole mess depresses me. i
know this a
generalization but why are the supposed "christians" not so
"christian"? i thought they
were told to love all?

anyway, cnn is running a piece today on the girls. it is complete with
an interview by
the principal, who swears it is not a lesbian thing, and sound bites
from the students.

take care and remember to treat each other with respect and
kindness.

just an fyi...a lot of these great t shirt slogans can be gotten
through the web from a business called don't panic. their web site
is at http://www.dont-panic.com and thery also have a number of
retail shops, in nyc, san fran, and provincetown as well as a few
other places.

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the song is really titled
for free
you can find it on joni mitchell's album ladies of the canyon

hope that helps

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i'm partial to the t-shirt that says:
        butch in the streets,
        femme in the sheets
and i own (couldn't resist buying it) a t-shirt saying:
        thanks for the genes, mom

elaine

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>on wed, 6 may 1998,
>
>> fuck those bigoted, ignorant, vile, disgusting, male pin heads!
>
>
>okay, i understand anger and frustration with all the cancellations of ig
>shows by schools, but i have to ask, why "male" pin heads? does the fact that
>the principals were male have anything to do with their idiotic behavior?
>yes, they may be pin heads (though i think this association would be
>degrading to pin heads everywhere), but their being men isn't  part of the
>problem.
>
>including the gender in a slam on these morons (sorry, don't mean to slander
>morons) is sort of like if i don't like something phyllis schaffly says/does,
>and i usually don't, and i say "that stupid, ignorant female twit". it
>insinuates that i am angry with all females based upon phyllis schaffly's
>behavior, or that i think all female's are twits.
>
>okay, i don't mean to flame anyone here, but i felt offended by the statement
>and wanted to say something about it.
>
>peace,
>
>dan perkins
>
>"got to learn to respect what we don't understand"
>               -amy ray
>
>"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"
>               -emily saliers
>
>"at the end of this tunnel of guilt and shame, there must be a light of some
>kind...i want a light...of some kind"
>               -ani difranco
>
>
>

this was copied from wolo 25 (abc) on-line, columbia, sc:

indigo girls protest
columbia

more than a dozen irmo high school students walked out of school
this morning to protest a cancelled indigo girls concert. the
concert was scheduled for today at the school, but school officials
cancelled it after parents complained about the musical duo's
openly gay lifestyle. instead, the indigo girls will be giving
a free concert this afternoon at four, at columbia's township
auditorium. irmo high school's principal has threatened
disciplinary action against any student who participated in the
walkout. we'll have the lastest on the concert and the controversy
tonight at 6.

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dearest sisters and brothers in the fight against general stupidness,

dan said:

i have to ask, why "male" pin heads? does the fact that
> >the principals were male have anything to do with their idiotic
behavior?

> >

i just have to say, as a woman and a feminist and all,

go dan!

i agree.

society has given men a lot of artiificial power. some use it to be
pin-heads, others look at their lives and make positive choices.

but there are lots of women who are jerks, too. phyllis is a rockin
example.

dan also said:

> >including the gender in a slam on these morons (sorry, don't mean
to slander
> >morons) is sort of like if i don't like something phyllis schaffly
says/does,
> >and i usually don't, and i say "that stupid, ignorant female twit".

(i dislike *everything* i've ever heard of her doing, btw)

i think men who break down gender stereotypes rock.

love to dan and everyone else,

larissa
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ok just for the record, i would like to say you can be a christian and
be gay so let's try not to have to much crap going on..i mean i know the
baptists suck b/c i have to live around a zillion of them, but i *am* a
christian so we're not all psychotic disney-hating, anti-gay
anti-abortion, bible thumping maniac! (i don't think...)

lamia

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i would just like to take time to thank rick hogdin (sp?) for everything he
has done.  i sent him two blank cd's for him to burn boots on, and he had them
back to me in less than a week!  woo!  you are the greatest rickster!!  not
only responsible, but he's a man full of knowledge and i would like to declare
may 7th the new rickster holiday.  thanks alot champ!!

love and peace to all~~~ erin t. :)

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>i
>know this a
>generalization but why are the supposed "christians" not so
>"christian"? i thought they
>were told to love all?

this <is> a big generalization. but i don't blame you. christianity has
been twisted beyond recognition...by christians.

i'm sure there are many christians on this list, and i do not purport to
represent them. but i feel the need to, once again, express what i believe
to be an accurate christian view on something like the recent
cancellations.

first, allow me to make a few broad statements, many of which you may have
heard before: christianity is not (should not be) a religion. it is a
relationship with the person who we consider to be the son of god and the
savior, jesus christ.

jesus christ's first and foremost message was love.  what were the two
greatest commandments according to jesus?  love god and love one another,
in a nutshell.  jesus said, many a time, that we are not to judge.  we do
not have the authority or the ability.

now, that does not mean that i condone everything. if the bible says
something is wrong, i have to believe it is wrong. that's faith, and it's
the basis of everything in a relationship, and so it's non-negotiable.

however, my belief that something is not right does not give me the
authority to judge or determine its appropriateness for others.

my biggest point here is that you should never form an opinion of
christianity based on christians. we will always let you down. don't
listen to what people say. listen to what jesus said, and i think you'll
find he was, above all, filled with love for all, and his intent was for
that love to be shared.

judgement, homophobia, blindness...these are not given to us from christ.
they are things people have assumed authority over, and it's wrong.

thanks for reading.

justin

jill said:

>hey y'all,
>do ya think we could all chip in and make a donation to youth pride (in
>atlanta) or the sexual minority youth assistance league (in dc)? both
>are listed as 'resources' in the liner notes of sots.

hmmmm...maybe we could start on that and have it be emily's birthday project.
just a thought. :)
leslie

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i just have to take a moment to cheer on the indigo girls and to remind
everybody that we need to bitch about this and to make a point of letting
people know that this is not correct. i'm composing sane, articulate letters
to the principals of both high schools and their school district heads. we
need to let them know that the 50s are over.

i watched the interview with ellen last nite and i thought, " this sucks."
but, in the end, it is all good and will move us forward ( i'm being
militantly gay, sorry.) ellen is making sure that we all know how she was
"fucked over" - to use a forbidden word. lets all make sure that we tell our
friends, co-workers and families about these show cancellations and let them
know that, gay or straight, it is not acceptable.

thanks for letting me vent again,
anthony

ps - listen to amy sing "gethsemane" from jcs - that'll fire ya up!

i'm here in knox vegas (knox, tn) where the girls were supposed to play at a
local high school for free for the kids....damn good (and very generous) idea
so i thought.... but the principal of the high school (who happened to be my
high school principal at a different area high school 11 years ago) is an anal
retentive prick and decided that he'd cancel the show since the girls use
profanity in some of their songs....yeah right.....half my teachers used
profanity in their classroom every day and that was 11 years ago...i can only
imagine what they are saying these days.....anyway the girls played at a local
bar instead and let the high school kids in free...i thought that was a great
idea...a wonderful proactive way to remedy a bad situation...i didn't get to
see them because the venue couldn't accomodate the hundreds of people that
wanted in... but that's okay....i've seen them 5 times and will see them again
sometime....i just love the way that situation was handled....but as a native
knoxvillian....i'm embarrassed and kinda sad that they were treated that
way.....anyway - cheers to the girls and may they keep on rockin' for years to
come........peace....m.c.

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hey folks,

this comes from the folk_music mailing list...

-sherlyn

--- begin forwarded message
date: thu, 7 may 1998 05:12:05 -0400 (edt)
from: jackcisw <jackcisw@aol.com>
subject: 1998 newport folk fest lineup

i was able to go to the press release today to get information about the
summer bill.   i also have info on the newport jazz fest and the new gibson
guitar festival - newport if you are interested.  if anyone has any questions
about how to get tickets, artist(s), lodging, please drop me a line privately
and i�ll tell you what i know.   hope to see you all there.....

1998 newport festival lineup
the 1998 ben & jerry�s folk festival - newport lineup
friday august 7, 1998 at hotel viking one bellevue avenue, 8 pm
club 47: honoring the past, celebrating the future
tom rush
janis ian
susan werner
vance gilbert
brooks williams
tickets: $25 at all times

saturday, august 8, fort adams state park, 11:30 am - 6:30 pm
lyle lovett                             nanci griffith
alison krauss             marc cohn
eric taylor                  dee carstensen
donna the buffalo

tickets: $39 advance; $42 on festival weekend, $15 for children ,12.
limited number of special two day tickets available until july 1 for $65.
children under 12, $15 at all times, under 2, free. on sale as of may 7 and
through ticketmaster.
on site parking will be available for $6.

sunday, august 9, fort adams state park, 11:30 am - 6:30 pm
indigo girls                            ani difranco
dar williams                            louden wainwright iii
cheryl wheeler            raymond myles and the rams
trina hamlin

the festival hopes to add a second stage in �98. call info line at
401-847-3700 or visit the website at: www.newportfolk.com.

jack

hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list, but probably is more appropriate
for here instead...

-sherlyn

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from: jennifer erin palumbo <jpalumb@emory.edu>
subject: knoxville show

i too was at the show yesterday and the report was pretty accurate tyhough
i would like to add a few things.  i arrived at the venue at 2:30 aware of
the size and worried that i would not get in any other way.  around three
o'clock as the crowd grew we all lined up at the door.  it may have seemed
to some people that arrrived later that there was no line.  but i assure
you that there was.  i was quite annoyed by the large amount of people
that disregarded the fact that by the time they began letting
nonhighschoolers in, some peopel had been waiting for four hours, yet i
saw many new arrivals pushthemselves up to enter before these patient
fans.  it seems like barley and hopps could have come up with a better
systm, such as giving the nonhigh school students numbers in the order of
arrival that way there wouuld have been far less pushing, shoving, and
cursing.
once i got in to the show, i must say it was a great show!  mostly it was
because the crowd was so energetic and enthusiastic.  it seems like what
happened only made everyone more thrilled to be there.
one more song that i remember, my favorive, love's recovery.  oh yeah, get
out the map.
jennifer

on the indigo girls web site (press file) it said they will be
on letterman on 6/4/98. just thought i would pass that
along.

   the nigc question i wanted to ask is, does anyone have the
lyrics to emmylou harris' song "thanks to you", it is on her
cowgirl's prayer album.  i don't have any of her albums but i
am looking for a "thank you" song.  when i searched cdnow.com
that was one that i found.  none of the on-line lyric sites had
this song so i figured i would ask the list.  if anyone has the lyrics
or knows what this song is about i would appreciate any info.
this would be for a wedding so it has to be a "slow-danceable"
song.  thanks a lot.

kevin mitchell
kjmitchell@tasc.com

i noticed this one wasn't mentioned yet so i thought i'd throw it in...

"but ma, she is my mr. right!"

"just remember nothing is the end of the world until the world comes to an
end."
-emily saliers
"decatur: not utopia, but darn close"

hi, sherlyn.  i know you will see this first.  i know i am waiting for
some addresses from some people.  my email is on the fritz at the
moment, so please email me here:  ndgogirl@hotmail.com

jill: i got my project back! 100/100! and another new convert...

thanks,
toye

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my local radio station has a feature they call "desert island disks" where
you write in with the three disks you would choose to have as your sole
companions if you were to be stranded on a desert island with a rockin' stereo
system. today's castaway chose the following:

blues travler (self titled)
***indigo girls (self titled)*** (the station played ctf)
greatful dead - american beauty

all i have to say is good taste, buddy!

anne

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ordering shirts (among them "strong enough for a man but made for a
woman.") - i saw this in a catalog by dk graphics. here's their info,
they can send you a free catalog and you can go from there.

phone#: 1-800-i'm-out-ru? (466-8878)
dan kaufman graphics
p.o. box 33714
washington, dc 20033

fax#: 202-466-8879

email:
order@dkgraphics.com

have fun :)
--audra

don't know if you've all seen this or not, but i found it on
rockontv.com.....

david letterman (cbs)
indigo girls (06/04)

peace,
janice

in a message dated 98-05-06 23:29:58 edt, you write:

<< before i begin to take orders... let's have some discussion by
interested parties on some wording that everyone can agree on >>

how about "a+e=ig"?

pam

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> what about holly near and the rest of the women's musicians?

i hadn't heard of them. what kind of music do they play (other than lesbian! which
says nothing about their music, of course.)? are they all folk?

> ronnie gilbert.... sings overtly lesbian songs. it is just that lesbian music was
> marginalized into this group called women's music so that they wouldn't even be in
> folk
> sections at record stores and no one but radical feminist lesbians
> would ever see it.

not even conventional, non-feminist lesbians? ;-)does such a thing even exist?  i
wonder, does being a lesbian *require* you to be a feminist?  and vice versa?  i
guess this one should be private, if anyone has any thoughts.  or not, you decide.
anyhow, plenty of stores don't even have a "folk" section, let alone a "women's
music" section.  and if there's "women's music" then what would qualify as "men's
music?" "macho man?" (i only barely remember that song existing, but i know it did.
the village people?)  sheesh.

> i don't think they have ever done a "lesbian song"--there is the liner
> note: "she left me, i wrote this song, she came back, only to leave
> me again"--or would that make it a lesbian song?).

well, would not putting in "he/she/her/him" into a song make it a bisexual song?

wow, this is ridiculous.  if i ever need to be called anything in a music related
article, i hope it's: the chocolate-loving, pseudo-intellectual honey-eyed member
of... or maybe we should leave the eye color out, it's not fair to all the
blue/green eyed people...oh i don't know, and i'm rambling, but categorizations that
are not necessary for group study are not only dumb, they are offensive.  however,
there is the flip side that being called  a "lesbian folk-rock duo" etc. actually
allows people out there who are searching for someone to identify with to find it.
so, go figure.  like everything else in life, it's good and bad simultaneously.
that one was a hard lesson to learn.
enough pseudo-intellectualizing!

g'night!
oh, and it's my birthday.
:-)
michal

i do it for the joy it brings (ani)
but i'd probably also do it for money (me)

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hey....

here is another wire my friend got from the associated press. this is a
bit more general than the statement given by amy ray in the earlier
e-mail i sent....

"*indigo girls to play for high school students*
(columbia, south carolina) -- students at suburban columbia, south
carolina high school will get a chance to hear the indigo girls tonight,
but not at school.
    the folk-rock duo has scheduled a concert in downtown columbia, some
ten miles from where they had first planed a free concert for students
at irmo high school.
    the school principal canceled the concert, after parents complained
because the two women in the group are lesbians.
    about a dozen students walked out of school this morning in protest
of the cancellation.
    band member emily saliers (say' lurz) calls the walkout a positive
response to an injustice."

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hey there...

a friend of mine works at cox broadcasting and she faxed over a 'wire'
she received about all these lame cancellations:
here is what amy said:

"the idea of a high school tour came about after emily and i were judges
in a student lyric writing contest sponsored by scholastic magazine.
the words we read begged for and exalted in the chance to be expressed.
the broad range of topics included: political activism, love, sonnets,
sexual abuse, and alienation.  we were struck by the students' energy
and willingness to engage in and question life.  the intent of the tour
was apolitical.  after carefully reading and approving our lyrical
contents high schools agreed to host a free show which included a
question and answer session.  the expenses were to be covered by the
indigo girls.  we have had 3 shows canceled citing reasons such as
profanity and most importantly sexual preference.  the profanity issue
is an obvious red herring - the irony being that we have more often been
accused of being too spiritual and 'clean.'  a minority composed of
homophobic narrow minded parents and weak kneed principals and school
boards have successfully enforced a policy of hate.  our public schools
should be a safe environment for an open exchange of ideas and a chance
to explore one's own individuality.

the impossibility and hypocrisy of a situation where kids are expected
to be honest but are judged and alienated from their community because
of it should not escape us.  in response to these circumstances we are
playing alternate shows - alcohol free, all ages, after school.  thanks
to the kids who are standing by us."
                                                        -- amy ray -
indigo girls

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justin & the rest o' the list--

<< my biggest point here is that you should never form an opinion of
christianity based on christians. we will always let you down. don't
listen to what people say. listen to what jesus said...>>

very well said. a dear friend once told me: "don't let religion get in the
way of your faith."

i feel bad, as though i started a "bash" session on the list with my jesus
reference yesterday. please know, it was not my intent to offend justin, erin
-- or anyone for that matter!

we all are aware of the awful things done in the name of religion (christian
or otherwise). that kind of hypocrisy was what i was trying to point out.
email is great in a lot of ways, but like all forms of communication, easily
misconstrued. forgive this new listee for a major faux pas!

peace,
lisa j.

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> this <is> a big generalization. but i don't blame you. christianity has
> been twisted beyond recognition...by christians.

<chuckles> i just remembered a line from south park's
"big gay al's big gay boat ride".......

big gay al: "uh oh! it's the oppressors! republicans,
nazis, and christians, oh my!"

ian c.
- knows what "licking carpet" means.(and proud of it!)

ok, i've pondered posting this for a few days now, cuz it kind of struck
a chord with all of these cancellations...i hope that nobody gets too
pissed, but if you do then please direct all flames to me. i won't
apoligize, but maybe it will make you feel better :)

love,
carolyn
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if i do not want what you want, please try not to tell me that my want is
wrong.

or if i believe other than you, at least pause before you correct my
view.

or if my emotion is less than yours, or more, given the same
circumstances, try not to ask me to feel more strongly or weakly.

or yet if i act, or fail to act, in the manner of your design for action,
let me be.

i do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. that will
come only when you are willing to give up changing me into a copy of you.

i may be your spouse, your parent, your offspring, your friend, or your
colleague. if you will allow me any of my own wants, or emotions, or
beliefs, or actions, then you open yourself, so that some day these ways
of mine might not seem so wrong, and might finally appear to you as right
-- for me. to put up with me is the first step to understanding me. not
that you embrace my ways as right for you, but that you are no longer
irritated or disappointed with me for my seeming waywardness. and in
understanding me you might come to prize my differences from you, and,
far from seeking to change me, preserve and even nurture those
differences.

~~ from *please understand me* by david keirsey and marilyn bates

3rd school nixes indigo girls

newsplanet staff
thursday, may 7, 1998 / 04:00 pm

summary: dyed-in-the-wool opposition to the lesbian musical duo's
series of free high school concerts spreads, as the indigos arrange
alternatives at their own expense.

farragut high school in knoxville tennessee on may 6 became the third
high school to cancel a scheduled appearance by the grammy-winning
indigo girls, both of whom are open lesbians. principal ed hedgepeth
followed principal ernest chism of the memphis-area germantown high
school in declaring that the duo's sexual orientation was not a
factor, but that the cancellation of two scheduled free lunchtime
concerts stemmed from their having used a word considered offensive in
the course of performing at a high school in atlanta, georgia -- but a
co-editor of farragut's student newspaper believes the opposite.
student newspapers were the vehicle for arranging the indigo girls'
performances, through a network that more typically assists them in
arranging interviews with musicians and reviews of new albums.

co-editor kanishka biddanda told the associated press, "it's
understood by everyone that the show was canceled because the indigo
girls are gay." about 50 farragut students staged a demonstration at
the flagpole as school closed may 6, protesting hedgepeth's decision.
some of their signs read, "homophobia is a social disease" and "free
speech is dead at fhs."

indigo girl amy ray agreed that sexual orientation was the real
issue, telling the knoxville "news sentinel" that, "i think the citing
of it as a profanity issue is a red herring. it's ironic because in
eight records we've put out we have one...profane word, and [we]
probably get accused more of being too spiritual and clean-cut by our
comrades in the music business, so i think this is definite
homophobia." the indigo girls moved their appearance to an early
evening slot at another venue, the b&h club, taking on all of the
$6,000 cost themselves. because the sexual orientation issue has been
raised, ray and co-indigo emily saliers are prepared to discuss it at
that non-school site. the band had a trouble-free appearance at a
nashville high school on may 4.

meanwhile, a dozen students walked out of their classes may 7 at
south carolina's irmo high school at the hour when the indigo girls
would have been performing, had not principal gerald witt canceled the
appearance in response to parent calls regarding their sexual
orientation. witt has made himself available for students who wish to
speak with him, and has encouraged teachers to allow students to
discuss the situation, but has also made clear that any "walk out" by
students will be punished with detention according to the usual
guidelines for tardiness and absence. the indigo girls arranged a
concert at another venue early this evening in columbia which the
students at irmo and other local schools can attend without charge,
although most of the free tickets had yet to be claimed by the end of
may 5.

[ed. note: see the following newsplanet story for a statement by
indigo girl amy ray.]

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marivel wrote:

>subject: mtv unplugged book...
>i just found one of the mtv unplugged books here in town for a
>totally bargain price.  it's a funky shaped hardcover ring-bound thing,
and it
>has color photos and information on all the different unplugged shows to
date,
>including maybe a 3x5 color photo of amy and emily singing during their
>appearance with michelle shocked, and includes a list of songs and a
tiny bio on
>each artist and stuff about the show.  there's also substantial info and
photos
>of k.d.'s and melissa etheridge's performances on the show.  i'm not a
real
>completist, but if there's somebody out there who wants this, i'm
willing to
>pick it up and send it to you.  the price is a mere $2.49 + tax (50% off
of
>$4.98!).  so that plus probably $4 to $5 priority shipping (or whatever
shipping
>you prefer).  that's it.  write me if you're interested....

marivel et. al., did you know that this book is originally priced at $50?

a "bargain" is an understatement. it is a very cool book, whether you're

an ig completist or not. that is a very cool pic of a&e in there, but
what
is the coolest is the variety of artists in it.....k.d. and melissa
included. i
wouldn't buy it for $50 though.

i've been finding more of these books on the waldenbooks clearance
rack every now and then.  when i find them, i offer them to listees too,
but i kept one for myself.  :)  the last time i was at waldenbooks, the
salesperson said that they can order as many as i'd want at their
going price ($6).  they must have a surplus of them.  just how many
people paid $50 for it?  probably not many.  i'd pay $25 for it though,
so
getting it for $6 is more than a bargain.  if anyone on the list is
interested in a copy (since i'm sure marivel's is gone by now),
i'd suggest asking at your local waldenbooks (or other big-chain
bookstore).

lisa s.

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date: thu, 7 may 1998 21:43:46 -0400
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hey...i got my bumper sticker at dickinson for a buck! blue on
white...simple..it says indigo girls....

love k

ps a&e=ig is cool too!

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this is an excerpt from amy's statement:

<< a minority composed of
homophobic narrow minded parents and weak kneed principals and school
boards have successfully enforced a policy of hate. our public schools
should be a safe environment for an open exchange of ideas and a chance
to explore one's own individuality. >>

you know, guys, whoever said it was good that this happened to the ig because
they are such outspoken artists may have been right.  i'm really proud of the
way the girls have handled these cancellations, and if you believe that
everything happens for a reason, then it may be that the reason for this is to
give this cause some national attention.  i mean, if it hadn't been the indigo
girls, no other band would be generous enough to do free concerts for high
schoolers.  and if the cancellations hadn't happened, those school districts
and administrators wouldn't have been exposed for the narrow minded folks they
are.  in my opinion, this whole thing makes those involved in the
cancellations look so small i can barely even see them!!  just a little happy
thought...

bon

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on thu, 7 may 1998, bonnemot wrote:

> i'm really proud of the way the girls have handled these cancellations,
> and if you believe that everything happens for a reason, then it may be
> that the reason for this is to give this cause some national attention.

just another thought, not half as important as the one you brought up,
but still a positive one nonetheless: we all know what effect controversy
has on album sales! :)

darius

"and if i claim to be a wise man
it surely means that i don't know..."
---kansas, "carry on my wayward son"

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just another thought, not half as important as the one you brought up, but
still a positive one nonetheless: we all know what effect controversy has on
album sales! :) darius

> yeah and then we won't be able to get tickets to the concerts cause they
> will turn into a pop phenomenom like sara m did : (

peace, karen

in a message dated 98-05-07 11:05:37 edt, dan@tcdrs.org writes:

<< anyone going to friday nights show interested in getting together after
the show?

perhaps at kerby lane on so. lamar?

i know this is probably an unnecessary comment, but since amy and emily
have had such a rough week in tennessee and south carolina, let's really
let them know that they are much loved and appreciated here in austin,
texas. >>
absolutly, lets get together, and while we are at the show we got to show them
how much we really love them wonderful girls!!!
kirby lane sounds good!
val

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in a message dated 98-05-07 13:03:29 edt, saliers_ray@hotmail.com writes:

<< audra wrote:
the one i am dying to get:
"strong enough for a man but made for a woman."

oooh! me too! a gal at the starkville concert had one and i just loved
it! does anyone know where i can order it from?

lamia >>
i really like that one too let me know where i can find one
val

christian here too. havent always been, just since january 24th.
i'm gay too
:)
val

...the cancellations have put the girls are on this week's front cover of
the atlanta gay newspaper, southern voice. i am deeply saddened...
christy

"just remember nothing is the end of the world until the world comes to an
end."
-emily saliers
"decatur: not utopia, but darn close"

speaking of gay people, discrimination, and attempted negative influence
by religious leaders...

this article from ap online shows that sometimes, some public officials
do the right thing...

... but then philadelphia isn't exactly a hotbed of southern baptist
(extremely conservative) influence.

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may 07, 19:51 edt

gay activists win in philadelphia

philadelphia (ap) -- after a five-year fight by gay activists,
the city council approved a measure thursday to extend health
and pension benefits to same-sex partners of city workers.

mayor edward g. rendell said he will sign the proposed
ordinance and two others the activists sought.

same-sex partners of city workers would qualify for benefits
after proving they are involved in a "life partnership,"
including shared bank accounts, dual property ownership and
insurance beneficiary designation.

other measures approved by the city council would exempt
same-sex partners from the real estate transfer tax and ban
on-the-job discrimination based on marital status.

dozens of municipalities and states around the country have
similar domestic partnership laws.

the benefits and anti-discrimination bills passed 10-6. the
city council voted 9-7 for the real estate transfer tax.

the measures faced opposition from some religious leaders.
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"for free" is also on joni's live album titled "miles of aisles" where it's
titled "real good for free".....

"duncan" is probably the paul simon song from s&g's "bridge over troubled
water" album...

tim

what these narrow-minded pinheads don't realize is that in creating and
perpetuating such notoriety, they are only making many more people aware of
the indigo girls and their music and politics and probably creating many more
converts in the process.... toaster ovens??? the girls are probably due
microwaves at the very least.....

since when did a&e become lesbian songwriters???? i thought they were great
songwriters who just happened to be gay..... (was ike turner a wife-beating
songwriter?)

hey, keep the girls on the news assholes.... at least it's a change from
clinton's sex life.....

back to lurking.....

tim

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what perplexes me is that the word in question isn't used in any kind of
sexual way at all....just as a colloquialism that is familiar to almost any
elementary or middle schooler..... maybe the secret is to remove all the
dirty letters from the alphabet so nobody can form dirty words?????

this is so ridiculous.....

tim

are we getting together before or after the show?
lets do it after please!!
cuz i wont make it before
val

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