lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-05b


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date:         fri, 8 may 1998 00:21:10 -0400
reply-to:     lizzy hoke <elhoke@amherst.edu>
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from:         lizzy hoke <elhoke@amherst.edu>
subject:      bumper stickers again...
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ok folks.  first, thank you to everyone who responded.  especially those
of you who had helpful advice for me.  so as to move this along more
quickly, i've made some command decisions.  here's the scoop.

1) you can order as many as you want.
2) due to popular demand, we're going with a clear bumper sticker.
3) also due to popular demand, the sticker will read "i'd rather be
indigoing"
4) the size of the sticker is not yet decided.  if you would like to
vote between 3'' x 11 1/2'' and 3 3/4'' x 7 1/2'' (more square) send me
a note.
5) the price per sticker will be $2.20 - $2.24 not including s&h.  that
is for 2 colors.  additional colors are $.88 per color per sticker.  if
there is a demand for more than 2 colors, we'll go with it.  right now
i'm thinking blue letters with white outline or blue with black
outline.  we could spring for a rainbow of colors, perhaps only on the
word "indigoing" but it would be pricey.  think about $5.76 per sticker
with the full spectrum of roygbp.  remember that the prices will go down
dramatically the more stickers we order.  an order of 250 cuts the price
to $1.24 per sticker, .$0.48 per additional color.  500 stickers are
$0.72 per sticker, $0.26 per additional color.  all the way up to 10,000
stickers for $0.145 per sticker and 0.0225 per additional color.  i'm
just hoping we can get to 250.  :)
6) the only trick now is to let me know that yes, you're interested.  if
you are, reply to this with the number of stickers you would want, which
size you would prefer, and how you feel about 2 colors vs more than 2
colors vs rainbow colors.  don't send me your addy yet.  this is
preliminary, to ensure that there is a large enough demand for me to go
ahead with this project.

i do not have enough interest right now to order the minimum amount
(125), so if you're holding back for some reason, now would be the time
to tell me you're interested.  cause i've only got a month to work this
all out before i'm off the list for the summer.  and i'd really like to
do this for y'all.

thanks so much,
lizzy

one other thing.  some of you asked about my car... i'm sorry to say she
didn't make it.  i heard just a coupla days ago that she will be making
a journey to the great junk yard in the sky.  i guess i should be
thanking my lucky stars neither jill nor i was injured.  anyone know of
a '95-'96 vw golf, stick shift, with less than 30k miles for sale? :)
now i gotta buy a new car before i leave town also.  ugh.

also, the patty griffin band is gonna be in town here in cleveland next
weekend - i know she's familiar sounding, but i don't know what kind of
music she plays.  anyone have a recommendation as to whether or not i
should go?  thanks!

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date:         thu, 7 may 1998 23:52:08 -0500
reply-to:     rick hodgin <foxmuldr@indy.net>
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from:         rick hodgin <foxmuldr@indy.net>
subject:      jessi curtis (sigc)
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i went to a local bar this evening to see jessi.  i'd only heard of
her and didn't know what to expect.  i knew she did acoustic ig,
melissa ethridge, k.d.lang, and other artists' covers but what i
didn't know was how beautiful and emotional her performance was.

i sat there in a smoke filled bar with 50+ lesbians watching one of
the brightest lights i've ever seen.  she played and sang several
ig songs, ctf, lc, loc, galileo, ghost, gotm, melissa's "like the
way i do," "come to my window," and several other songs that were so
intense!  i watched her slip in and out of self awareness as she
poured her soul into it.  i've never seen such a stirring performance
before.

if any of you get a chance to see her i would take it!  she has an
album coming out in december and she plays every thurs night 7-10pm
at utopia (924 north pennsylvania) in indianapolis.

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*  / | \  *  rick
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date:         thu, 7 may 1998 22:39:43 -0600
reply-to:     longwell.ls@juno.com
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from:         "lance s. longwell" <longwell.ls@juno.com>
subject:      bigotry and hatred

this is feeling like deja vu all over again for me.  i remember all this
same stuff happening in colorado when amendment 2 was passed (i'm sure
you all remember that).  it was finally defeated by the supreme court,
but before that happened there was a lot of negative stuff.

the gay student group at my high school was effectively silenced.  the
only "openly" gay teacher "resigned."  i remember the plethora of "adam
and eve, not adam and steve" bumper stickers.  there was the billboard on
interstate 70 sponsored by a local church that said, "homosexuality:  the
#1 reason to keep guns legal."

the funniest incident came after the high school won the state softball
championship.  the girls wanted to use queen's "we are the champions"
until the administrative council found out that good ole freddie was gay.
the song was played.....without words.

since then, i'd thought the world had changed.  most of the towns around
here have same-sex partner benefits and many of the companies do as well.
i'm used to seeing gay couples at restaurants and bars.  we've had
ellen, ig, martina, and the aspen pride ski week.  it seemed like
everything had changed (outside of colorado springs or fort collins).
and now i realized that the cake was fake.  i was just deceiving myself.
it's the puritan times all over again.

......longing for a day when society respects all people.

l'sly

lance s. longwell
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date:         thu, 7 may 1998 23:05:33 -0600
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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from:         "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
subject:      re: pro-gay clothing?
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here's one more to throw in there...(sorry if it's the tiniest bit
raunchy)

a couple years ago at a rummage sale, i saw a t-shirt with two 50s-looking
cartoon women on it. one of the women is saying, "so, how's the beav?" and
the other woman is thinking, "i thought she'd never ask." tee hee hee.

still kicking myself for not buying that one,
amy m.


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            -the goddess, amy ray
"women together is a powerful thing. especially when you join it with
music."
            -the goddess, emily saliers
"amy is the stuff fantasies are made of, emily is the stuff romantics
yearn for."
            -the goddess, jill certo

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date:         fri, 8 may 1998 01:08:19 edt
reply-to:     memememi <memememi@aol.com>
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from:         memememi <memememi@aol.com>
subject:      nigc:  "celebrate resistance" in atlanta
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"celebrate resistance"

the north american neighborhood association presents:

captain denevue  -  a local go go's cover band
**members include:  becky shaw (formally of reversing hour), julie clark
(formally of lift, currently with shawn mullins), linda bolley (currently with
elroy's big machine), and candi jiosne (formally of viva la diva)**

sunday, may 10th
7:00 pm until ????
$5.00 suggested donation
proceeds to benefit the leonard peltier food run to chiapas

backdrop art gallery & music hall
495 peachtree (downtown)

upstairs:  zapatista/chiapas videos and information
downstairs:  live music and dj's
visuals by the stimulator

for more info, please email teddie@mindspring.com, or call 770-662-4282

sponsored by the north american neighborhood association, an affliate of the
national commission for democracy in mexico

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date:         fri, 8 may 1998 00:07:46 -0500
reply-to:     tony at mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu>
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from:         tony at mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu>
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i have solicited feedback from dallas-area listees on, and set up, a couple
of "mail reflectors" that we could use to exchange mail on concert plans,
etc. with each other. alas, only two people replied to my message, so here
we go to the list as a whole:

--this list would be *much* lower traffic than the regular list, and
*on-topic*, the topic being concert/trip planning, gtgs, venue comments,
local ticket info, making sure we don't miss concerts, etc.

--this list would not be run on a listserv (unless someone knows something
about finding a listserv host, which i do not), but on a pop3 account
automatically redirected to members several times a day (set up for 4 right
now).

here's what i want feed back on:
1. do we want a dallas/fort worth list, or a "texas" list for austin, dfw,
san antonio, etc. to all share? do you want me to create more than one
list? (not likely, but i'll show you how to make one...)

2. whichever one we want, would folks rather the address was indigo-dallas
or indigo-texas (those are the two choices i've got set up already).

3. any other (better) ideas? advice? flames? rubber chickens?

if i get some feedback, i'll send the subscription info next week. if i
don't get any feedback, i'll make up my own mind and send out the
subscription info next week. either way...

in service, in indigo, in bed (it's late!),

tony
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mendina@utdallas.edu     who beleive in them. (dark avenger)
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date:         thu, 7 may 1998 23:13:17 -0600
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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from:         "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
subject:      re: ig bumper stickers
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on thu, 7 may 1998, mnoelm wrote:

> in a message dated 98-05-06 23:29:58 edt, you write:
>
> << before i begin to take orders... let's have some discussion by
>  interested parties on some wording that everyone can agree on >>
>
>
> how about "a+e=ig"?
>
> pam
>

sorry about the "me too", but that's a damn good one!!!!!

amy m.

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"every day of my life forces me to add to the number of people who can
kiss my ass."

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"we are not empty-headed celebrities."
            -the goddess, amy ray
"women together is a powerful thing. especially when you join it with
music."
            -the goddess, emily saliers
"amy is the stuff fantasies are made of, emily is the stuff romantics
yearn for."
            -the goddess, jill certo

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date:         fri, 8 may 1998 15:24:01 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

this was sent to the news list but is probably more appropriate
for here... replies to donna, thanks, not to me...

-sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig
sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au                  [sydney, australia]
"this is the song that we are always just this side of singing..."
                                        - peter mulvey

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from: "donna m schwartz" <d6309@prodigy.net>
subject: slam boot
date: fri, 8 may 1998 00:39:25 -0400

hey fellow listees,
as usual, whenever there's a ny show i go to, i try to do my best to
boot it, and lo and behold i have a really good recording of the slam
concert at irving plaza.  i need 12 folks to be branches.  once those
people get their tapes, i will announce the tree to the list.  please
email me privately if you are interested in being a branch.  (only email
if you want to be a branch, i really don't have the time to do more than
those 12 copies. thanks.)

cheerio!
donna

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date:         fri, 8 may 1998 02:07:40 -0400
reply-to:     nighthawk <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
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subject:      re: bigotry and hatred
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on thu, 7 may 1998, lance s. longwell wrote:

> since then, i'd thought the world had changed.  most of the towns around
> here have same-sex partner benefits and many of the companies do as well.
>  i'm used to seeing gay couples at restaurants and bars.  we've had
> ellen, ig, martina, and the aspen pride ski week.  it seemed like
> everything had changed (outside of colorado springs or fort collins).
> and now i realized that the cake was fake.  i was just deceiving myself.
> it's the puritan times all over again.

   that's not a good attitude to have.  i mean, for all the activism we
put forth, we can't expect change immediately, not while we're dealing
with people's beliefs.  no amount of legislation, parading, or
name-calling can do that.
   trying to institute change quickly in a large system, from a historical
perspective, does not work well.  there will always be racists and bigots.
but slowly, over time, we can institute change, through education.
   and there is evidence that the times are changing:  ellen was able to
come out, and had a good season of being gay before her plug was pulled.
would that have happened in the 80s?  she would have been laughed at and
fired.
   discrimination of all sorts is still a problem, but we're better off
now than we were in the 50s.  don't try to change the world immediately --
we won't fix the ozone layer or save the rainforests tomorrow.
   i'm not preaching complacency, but don't despair when it seems like the
road's never going to end.  do your best to bring about what changes you
can; and rejoice in the fact that there are others trying to bring about
the same changes.
   the times, they are a-changin'.

   darius

"and if i claim to be a wise man
it surely means that i don't know..."
   ---kansas, "carry on my wayward son"

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date:         thu, 7 may 1998 23:56:08 -0600
reply-to:     melissa genevieve young <peterpan@micron.net>
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from:         melissa genevieve young <peterpan@micron.net>
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i personally like "a + e = ig" the best.  i think we should have a
formal vote--or did we already and i missed it?  i would be willing to
tally votes if needed.

melissa.

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date:         fri, 8 may 1998 02:24:13 -0400
reply-to:     kate <grnpeace@fullnet.com>
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from:         kate <grnpeace@fullnet.com>
subject:      all this homophobia
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you know kind friends, this homophobia that's resurfacing and showing its
ugly face again has made me change my future plans.  i was thinking that
people were starting to open their minds up just enough to at least be
tolerant.  and yes, there are people opening up their minds, but this
homophobe monster is showing his hideous face again.  i was thinking, you
know, now i know what i can do, i can focus mostly on the environment.  that
can be my main cause, while human rights can be my secondary cause.  well,
time for a big detour.  time for kate to get off her lazy ass and do
something. and you know it's not just ig and ellen's cancelling, homophobe
has been making its existence known to me locally.  i've been tolerating
this kid at school who has constantly been calling me butch and pointing out
the men's room where i'm supposed to go.  it doesn't hurt me in any way, i
usually reply with somehting witty.  i'm strong, i can handle it, but there
may be someone out there who isn't strong enough to handle it.  i was hoping
i could hang low until i went off to my college, the land of freewill,
acceptance, and what's that word, oh yeah, love; we hear it so seldom in the
news these days.  it's time for me to stop being the tolerant one.  damnit,
they're going to be sorry they got me off my ass.  if i'm up, i might as
well make my time worth it.  hold on.  hold on to yourself, this is gonna
hurt like hell.
                                                   -kate

                                                   grnpeace@fullnet.com

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"majoring in religion, listening to t.v. evangelists interpret the
scriptures and dictate my offerings- i found my god in myself,
around myself- in every moment and piece of matter.
everything is animate."   a. ray

"don't critisize what you can't understand."  b.dylan
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date:         fri, 8 may 1998 03:53:13 -0400
reply-to:     melsouth@mindspring.com
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the following is the most well-written and comprehensive (to date)
article about the southern high school - ig concert cancellations.
it's also very long -- but definitely worth keeping and printing,
imho.

>from atlanta's gay/lesbian weekly paper, southern voice (copied
without permission):


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'shame on you':
      'blatant homophobia' cancels indigo girls concerts

     southern voice  -  may 7, 1998
     by laura brown

indigo girls were to have performed a free show at irmo high
school in columbia s.c. today, but according to the duo's emily
saliers, "a blatant case of homophobia" cancelled the show.

the school initially agreed to the performance, which was to be
one of a series of five high school shows the grammy-winning act
had scheduled for their southeastern tour. but irmo high school
principal gerald witt said he cancelled the appearance after
parents complained that saliers and singing partner amy ray are
lesbians.

local school board chairman david eckstrom told the associated
press that indigo girls were "promoting an agenda." eckstrom
is a republican running for state education superintendent.

"the show was canceled because we are gay," an angry saliers said
in a statement. "in the wake of recent violence in schools and
the often bleak environment for kids which includes the cutting
of school arts programs and lack of creative outlets, we believe
that playing free high school shows will provide a positive
musical and emotional experience for high school students.

"despite this particular cancellation, we will play in columbia,
s.c. and we'd like to thank the people there and everywhere who
support our collective message of respect and justice for all
human beings."

indigo girls will play today at columbia's township auditorium,
confirmed their publicist, lisa markowitz. of the 3,000 available
tickets, 2,000 were given free to high school students, she said.
students at irmo threatened to walk out of classes today to
protest the cancellation, and markowitz said she had heard some
teachers would accompany them.

an indigo girls concert at franklin high school in franklin,
tenn., on monday "went well," but two other high school shows
scheduled for this week have also been cancelled by school
officials, russell carter, indigo girl's manager, told southern
voice.

at press time, carter said he was "still trying to find out" why
farragut high school in knoxville, tenn., backed out of their
show scheduled for may 6.

meanwhile, the principal of germantown high school in a suburb
of memphis, tenn. told the (memphis) commercial appeal that he
initially agreed to a show there on may 5, but cancelled it when
he heard that the duo used profanity at a performance last month
at a high school in loganville, ga., a small town between atlanta
and athens.

"it was a very unusual opportunity. i looked at it as a reward
for the end of the year," said germantown principal ernest chism.
"i heard they had appeared on college campuses and i was assured
that they had toned it (show) down for high school audiences."

chism insisted the performers' sexual orientation had nothing
to do with his decision. "the [loganville] principal told me
they sung the song that had the f-word in it and emphasized it.
the concert went downhill from there." but chism refused to
renew the invitation even if the duo dropped the word from the
show, the memphis newspaper reported.

in the song "shame on you," the lead single from indigo girl's
most recent release, "shaming of the sun," contains the line:
"you know, me and jesus, we're of the same heart / the only
thing that keeps us distant / is that i keep fucking up."

but markowitz, indigo girls' publicist, was vehement that
profanity was not the real reason behind the germantown
cancellation, and used the same controversial phrase in
condemning it.

"what's fucked up about it is that the loganville concert took
place april 13, and this decision only came about during the
whole hoopla surrounding the irmo high school show," she said.
"i think it's a lot more gay-oriented than cursing-oriented."

loganville high school principal ken prichard confirmed to
southern voice that he talked with principal chism about the
concert the duo performed in his high school, and that he has
gotten complaints from parents since the show.

chism "had heard that there had been some fallout, and he
wanted to know what it was about," prichard said. "like me, he
didn't know much about the group except that they're extremely
well known and they're grammy winners, so he was calling to
find out."

prichard said he knew ray and saliers were lesbians before
their performance in loganville, but "i just didn't feel like
it was a problem. they weren't here to promote that, they were
here to perform."

still, after the performance, prichard said some parents called
to "applaud our efforts to bring something special to the kids,"
but "some parents were very, very upset about the use of
profanity in the lyrics, and once they started talking about
offensive lyrics, they brought in a sexual reference as far as
preference and said they thought it was totally inappropriate."

"shame on you" also contains the line, sung by ray, "when the
beautiful ladies walk right by / you know i never know what
to say."

prichard said he was surprised by the lyrics in the song,
because "i had listened to their cds and enjoyed them a lot,
and i hadn't noticed references to homosexuality or profanity."
because his "trust was broken," prichard said he would not
allow indigo girls to perform again at loganville high school,
and he probably won't allow any other bands, either.

while high school principals attacked the group's lyrics, fans
and gay rights organizations were quick to defend both saliers
and ray personally and the message of indigo girls' music.

the cancellations "make me very sad, because both amy and emily
have done such an incredible job of being strong role models
of what it means to be responsible citizens," said linda ellis,
executive director of youthpride, an atlanta organization
for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgendered young people.

"i don't know two people who are more responsible in terms of
how they live their lives and the causes they support, and i
like the fact that the kids that listen to them in youthpride
see that side of them."

indigo girls have supported youthpride by contributing a song
to the organization's benefit cd, "thrive," and including
youthpride as a group they support in the liner notes for
"shaming of the sun," ellis said. saliers also discussed her
own coming out experiences with youth at the "out & proud"
conference in atlanta two years ago, she said.

joan garry, executive director of the national gay and lesbian
alliance against defamation, also condemned irmo principal witt
for banning indigo girls from high schools because they are gay.

"it is a travesty that a performance by the indigo girls - who
have long exemplified service and commitment to a diverse
number of important social issues would be considered anything
other than enlightening and celebratory," garry said. "instead
of mr. witt using this opportunity to teach his students how to
dismantle homophobia, he has demonstrated precisely how to
promote fear and intolerance."

leaders of south carolina's parents friends and families of
lesbians and gays agreed, calling on "all fair-minded people
to speak out for the indigo girls as well as all lesbian and
gay loved ones."

"as a mother and grandmother, i encourage all parents and
family members to make their voices heard on this issue. this
is about civil rights for everyone," said pflag-columbia's
harriet hancock. "many young people already know this - pure
and simple, it's not okay to discriminate."

two members of the rock group hootie and the blowfish, based
out of columbia, south carolina, also spoke out against the
irmo high school ban on the indigo girls performance.

hootie drummer jim sonefeld and fellow band member mark bryan
wrote letters that appeared in the (columbia) state on sunday
denouncing the school's decision.

"as a resident of south carolina," sonefeld wrote, "i always
find it frustrating to come home and read headlines filled with
racial injustice and prejudices of all forms.

"it is even more disturbing, however, to be in another state
when these headlines repeatedly arise and see outsiders'
perceptions of our state. (the headlines) showed the rest of
america one of the many reasons south carolina is viewed as
socially medieval."

sonefeld and bryan spoke highly of the indigo girls' music.

"they don't parade around singing the virtues of homosexuality
or try to coax the youth of america into a gay lifestyle,"
bryan wrote. "this (school's) decision was naive and wrong."

fans on the indigo girls' official web-site were more blunt in
their condemnation, particularly of the germantown high school
cancellation.

"there is only one thing worse than blatant homophobia and that
is trying to [cover your ass] when you cancel a show by one of
the best musical duos of our generation by disguising it as
trying to protect our high school kids from hearing profanity,"
one woman wrote. "it is absolutely ridiculous and should not
be tolerated."

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twan68 wrote:

> i watched the interview with ellen last nite and i thought, " this sucks."

anyone know where i can find a transcript on the net maybe?  or just fill me in
on what she said?  even the two channels we get here in the holy land aren't
worth much...!
thanks muchly,
michal

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apparently the hard copy crew was in atlanta on wednesday, interviewing, and
filming for a spot on the controversy.  eddie (eddie's attic) said they were
even there filming.  it was supposed to air last night (thursday), but it
didn't.  so, it might be on tonight - check out your local listings.

and it's yet to be seen if this is a good thing, or a bad thing.

lisa

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the refrence libarian at my school forwarded this to me.  it is about the
recent cancellations.  it seems that just about everyone is discussing
this!

:-) karen
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karen,
        i thought you might be interested in this given your worship of
the indigo girls.  it was posted on a g/l/b librarian listserv i belong
to. jn

judy nablo, reference librarian
wittenberg university


*****************************************************************************
[the cancellation of the ig concert has made quite an impact in
knoxville, tn.
tv news programs covered the story all day on tuesday may 5 and some
local
radio stations have been taking call-ins for comments. this is the the
third
appearance by the duo in knoxville.]

concert cancellation causing stir

by david keim, news-sentinel staff writer

student protests were brewing at farragut high school after the
principal canceled today's free concert by the popular group the indigo
girls.
it's the third high school concert to be called off in the past week for
the grammy-winning duo.

"it's understood by everyone that the show was canceled because the
indigo girls are gay," said student kanishka biddanda, co-editor of the
student newspaper, which sponsored the concert with the school's
literary magazine.

principal ed hedgepeth denied lesbianism was a factor.

students signed a petition and printed fliers protesting the action,
planned to wear pro-gay clothing today and to rally at the flag pole
after school and discussed staging a sit-in in the auditorium at concert
time, kanishka said.

meanwhile, the concert by the atlanta-based group, amy ray and emily
saliers, has been re|sched|uled for the b&h club, 1912 cumberland ave.,
at 5:30 p.m. high schoolers get in free. adults pay $10.

hedgepeth said he nixed the show because he learned from news reports
this weekend that the musicians used profanity at a previous concert,
and he had no contract that would guarantee certain performance
criteria.

"i'm not sure exactly (in) what context (profanity) was used, whether it
was used in an actual song or whether it was used on stage at some point
in a comment," hedgepeth said. "i'd rather err on the side of caution
when it comes to the people that we have presenting in the schools."

the indigo girls were scheduled to perform two 30-minute shows during
lunch today, with each set followed by a 30-minute question-and-answer
session. students would have missed 30 minutes of class time but were
not required to attend the show.

lisa markowitz of epic records in new york said the artists want to
encourage youth involvement in the world and creativity.

"they feel very strongly about playing for the younger set, to kids that
may not be able to go out to clubs, who may not be able to go to big
coliseum shows," she said of the high school tour.

"it's a way of reaching out and letting younger people know they are
important to society and they can participate in social and political
activities and help society." as for the profanity, markowitz said,
"there's a song on their new record called 'shame on you' which has the
f-word mentioned once." they sang it in an april 13 concert in
loganville, ga. school officials weren't happy. "when amy ray, who wrote
the song, found out they were upset by it, she called the principal and
apologized profusely," markowitz said.

a school in columbia, s.c., canceled the show last week after parents
complained about their group's lesbianism. a school in germantown, near
memphis, also canceled, citing the profanity.

reaction here was mixed. denise sanabria was upset her freshman daughter
would not hear the concert. "i was so thrilled that they got an art form
like this that was so inspiring and such a treat."

she blamed "a small handful of students and parents who are of an
intolerant religious persuasion that intimidated the school personnel
into canceling on us." several parents said first baptist church of
concord was rumored to have been involved.

hedgepeth flatly denied those rumors, saying he didn't know if his staff
received calls from parents and that he hadn't had any himself because
he's been out of town since sunday. an assistant principal declined
comment.

denny brinkman, the youth minister at first baptist, said, "the only
reason i had called the school was because some parents had called my
office to see what was going on."

parent connie fritts didn't call the school but said, "i don't think
children should go to school to see concerts." she added, "i saw
something on the news that they're a lesbian group. that's against our
morals," but she said even if it were a christian group, "i don't feel
like it's appropriate during school time."

her son, 15-year-old freshman eric fritts, said, "i don't think it's
right for (the indigo girls) to come and, like, promote themselves and
what they believe, but i don't think it's right for us to cancel their
concert just because they're lesbians. gays and lesbians are allowed to
go to school. ... i don't think they should be outcast just because of
what they believe."
~~more~~~

farragut high school
attention: ed hedgepath
11237  kingston pike
knoxville, tn  37922

the knoxville newspaper:

the knoxville news-sentinel
208 w. church st.
knoxville, tn  37902
423-523-3131
www.knoxnews.com
kns@knoxnews.com
~~~more~~~

irmo high school:

web site : http://www.lex5.k12.sc.us/schools/ihs/

address: 6671 st. andrews road
             columbia, sc 29212
phone:   803-732-8100

i find it interesting that their web page has a background that says "i
respect myself and others."

germantown high school:

address: 7653 poplar pike
             germantown, tn
             38138-5940
phone: 901-756-2350

~~~~~

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>from columbia, south carolina's <http://www.thestate.com>:


audience warms up to indigo girls' music

   the state  -  friday, may 8, 1998
   by kaaren wells
   special to the state

   they were passed on by spring valley high school and
canceled by irmo high. but when the indigo girls walked on the
township stage, they were accepted for their musical talent.

after weeks of speculation and anticipation, amy ray and emily
saliers were greeted with a standing ovation from hundreds of
screaming teen-agers and many supporting parents. even those
who knew little about the duo cheered as they awaited the
sounds of the group's guitars.

as strobe lights danced across the auditorium, few knew what
to expect. but when the indigo girls thanked irmo high school
for giving them the chance to perform for such a wonderful and
accepting crowd, the cheers became a loud and thunderous roar.

the students were there for one reason: not to voice their
political opinion, but to enjoy the soulful sounds of two
women with a mission -- a mission of love, peace and acceptance
for all.

"shame on you," a release from the group's shaming of the sun
album, was played with full-throttle emotion from the group by
special request from ray's mother. students held lighters and
sang portions of the lyrics.

even for those who weren't die-hard fans of the group, it was
easy to get caught up in the excitement and the music. the mesh
of sound from the guitars, keyboards and voices was satisfying
to students who ended up with what they wanted: a performance
from the indigo girls. the goods had been delivered.

the indigo girls didn't agree to perform to spread their
personal beliefs. they originally agreed to entertain 1,800
students but in the end performed for hundreds more. standing
on the stage, they said they weren't afraid because they were
not alone. and they were right.

their sound came as a shock to some and as no surprise to
others. they performed the best concert for those who fought
for it the most.

(kaaren wells is a senior at irmo high school and
managing editorof the stinger, the student newspaper.)

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lizzy hoke wrote:

> also, the patty griffin band is gonna be in town here in cleveland next
> weekend - i know she's familiar sounding, but i don't know what kind of
> music she plays.  anyone have a recommendation as to whether or not i
> should go?  thanks!

i don't know what band she's playing with, i've only heard a couple of
her
songs, but the ones i heard are fantastic - i voted for her in the "best
new
artist whose stuff you must have" thread.  she's acoustic with a
heart-n'-soul kinda voice on the songs i heard.  really heartfelt.
moving.
if you go, do you think you can boot it? (is it bad manners to ask
that?  sorry if it is)

michal

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bonnemot wrote:

> you know, guys, whoever said it was good that this happened to the ig because
> they are such outspoken artists may have been right.  i'm really proud of the
> way the girls have handled these cancellations, and if you believe that
> everything happens for a reason, then it may be that the reason for this is to
> give this cause some national attention.

well, i was one of the people who said that, and i'm glad, and awed, that the
girls are responding so... maturely, beautifully, generously, kindly.  i hadn't
realized the costs involved in the free concerts, and i am truly amazed and
touched that they are doing this.  it has a way of reaffirming your faith in
humanity, even in spite of the stupidity which caused it.  and i think/hope that
the overall results will be good (especially if people take jill up on her idea to
speak/help out etc. in high schools... activism!!)

>   in my opinion, this whole thing makes those involved in the
> cancellations look so small i can barely even see them!!  just a little happy
> thought...
>

yup, i agree.don't worry, be happy!!

michal

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hkf's,

i was just wondering if anyone had some extra reserved tickets for the july
4th & 5th lf shows at indianapolis & columbus.  i deleted a previous
message for the oh show, so if you could please e-mail - or anyone else for
these two shows - i would be a happy clam.
8-o
thanks!
8-)
mkc

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for those going to tonight's show at the backyard, there will be a list
gathering at kerby lane cafe on south lamar after the show. hope y'all
make it out. if you need directions to kerby lane, let me know.

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

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there is a short article on the cnn web site about the girls free
concert

http://www.cnn.com/showbiz/9805/07/indigo.girls/

peace,

dan

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have any of you read "stone butch blues" ?  i think that maybe it would give
a broader perspective to people.  i thought it was soooo rough living here,
being gay and all.  i read the book in 2 days and learned more than i have
about what it means to be a lesbian than i've learned by being a lesbian.
i'm young, so maybe the history lessons passed my by, but i never knew it
was illegal not so long ago to be seen with another woman.  i didn't know
they had laws saying how many pieces of women's clothing you had to be
wearing at all times.  i didn't know there were police raids over this.  it
wasn't that long ago.  there are butches here that remember how it was.  we
have come so far in less than one lifetime, and even though these happenings
seem like such huge set-backs, they really aren't.  these are simply
challenges and tests to make sure that this generation is still worthy of
the efforts of the last generation.

carley

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just a thought on the christian/gay thread ... there is a "gay-welcome"
church available for those that are not comfortable or welcome in normal
churches (like me).  i have found that these churches are predominantly gay,
but that there is a sprinkling of str8 persons there as well.  the church is
called metropolitan community church (mcc).  there is almost one close to
everywhere.  i live in a tiny center of hell right now, and there's one here
.... sooo.....

carley

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i'm just so excited about this that i thought i'd share with people who
understand.  as some of you know, i just started taking guitar lessons
about a month ago.  last week my instructor gave me "yellow submarine"
to learn, and while i was able to go through and follow his instructions
on the sheets, i couldn't really remember the song that well to be able
to get the rhythm, etc. down.  so this week he asked me what song i'd
like to learn from the indigo girls, as when we started the lessons he
asked me what music i listened to the most and i said -- well, you know.

so anyway, i said, "well, we might as well start out with 'closer to
fine.'"  and he said, "i was going to suggest that, but that's like
suggesting that a jimi hendrix fan start out with 'purple haze.'"
anyway, i thought the parallel was pretty cool.  so, the long and short
of it is, i get to go buy a capo today and start learning my very first
ig song!  yay for me!

thought this would lighten the dour mood a little.  btw, awesome
statement by amy ray!  articulate, non-emotional and just totally cool.
right on!

-kate, who actually has calousus on her fingers now!  :o)

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1) to anyone that cares, my regular email is now working again!!!

2) i turned in my american literature after 1865 creative project where i
related ig music to literature and listed connections.  a also gave my
instructor the songs that i used so she could listen to them.  first, i
made 100/100 on the project, which she told me has never happened before
(yaaay).  then she said she was listening to ig and grading my project when
her 15 year old daughter came in and asked her what that music was.  she
told her who it was and what it was about.  my instructor had to stop and
do something else for a while.  when she returned to finish listening, she
said the tape she was listening to had "disappeared."  soon, she heard ig
blaring from her daughter's room.  she had to go and scold her daughter and
get the tape back.  then she told me that wednesday night her daughter
returned from a shopping trip.  guess what she bought--ig cds!!!!  my
instructor was thrilled that her daughter had chosen some music that she
could "stand" to listen to with her.

3) and, no, jill--i wasn't actively recruiting converts!!!!  *s*

anyway, thanks to a & e--they helped me get another "a"!!!!!!!!!

toye

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for those of you that are interested, ig is coming to bonner springs, ks as
part of the lilith fair (july 2).  the tickets are on sale now.  reserved
seating is $44.50 and lawn seating is $29.50.  there is an 800 # for credit
card sales.  it is 800-771-3666.  i'll be going up (hopefully) from the
wichita area.  if anyone around there is interested, give me a hollar.

carley

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karen wrote:
> yeah and then we won't be able to get tickets to the concerts cause
they
> will turn into a pop phenomenom like sara m did : (


noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!
that's the worst!! i haven't even gotten to see sarah m in concert cuz
of psycho people who jumped on the "sarah bandwagon" where were they
when touch came out? where were they when fte came out? suddenly they're
gigantic fans..yet the own one album..surfacing..  :p
soory..just venting cuz the austin concert sold out in 2 hours :p

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here is an excerpt from an article on thestate web site about the
concert in columbia, s.c.

              "         "when i go to sleep at night, i can still pray,"
she said. "does
                       it make you hate me? because when you hate me, i
can still
                       love you.""
                -amy ray

when i read this i almost cried (but being at work, stopped myself). amy
ray and emily saliers are so beautiful. amidst cancelled shows,
intolerance, rejection and hatred they are still able to reach out and
love those who reject them.

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

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okay, i'm getting a guitar for my bday(next week!) and my friend ralph
has promised to teach me to play ig songs... who knows what the easiest
song is to learn....?
thanks guys
shayna

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the 1998 b&j newport folk fest web page has *finally* been updated:

     http://www.newportfolk.com

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the unitarian church is also really accpeting and open to the gay
community.  also if you are near a city there are usually atleast one
christian church that is open and accepting.  i know atleast where i live
there are.

kate


just a thought on the christian/gay thread ... there is a "gay-welcome"
church available for those that are not comfortable or welcome in normal
churches (like me).  i have found that these churches are predominantly gay,
but that there is a sprinkling of str8 persons there as well.  the church is
called metropolitan community church (mcc).  there is almost one close to
everywhere.  i live in a tiny center of hell right now, and there's one here
..... sooo.....

carley

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in my opion, as a guitar student, too, nashville is an easy song to
learn.  i had it down after my teacher wrote out the chords.  if
anyone's interested, i could get the chords to you.  it'll just take a
little time on my part.  but e-mail me if you're interested.  i could
post it over the weekend - tonight i have to go see the girl's in
austin!!!!!!!!

take care-
cari

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in a message dated 98-05-08 07:37:41 edt, you write:

<< >how about "a+e=ig"?
>
>pam
>
don't they have t-shirts like that out?  i like it though.  might have to
pick something not copy righted .... any way to find out what is and what
isn't?

just a thought.

carley >>

i wouldn't think that "a + e = ig" is a copyrighted slogan.  i saw it first in
the watershed video, but haven't ever seen it on a t-shirt.  i'm just dying to
have it on a bumpersticker.  it's a little bit like a secret handshake :-)  of
course, given the indigo girls sticker already on the mom-mobile, it wouldn't
be too secret!!

pam

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can anyone email me and tell me what this is below. i found it at the amazon
site and am curious.


  indigo girls : rites of passage : personality folios
                             paperback / published 1993
                             our price: $16.95 (special order)


thanks - b

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can anyone email me and tell me what this is below. i found it at the amazon
site and am curious.


  indigo girls : rites of passage : personality folios
                             paperback / published 1993
                             our price: $16.95 (special order)
thank you,

becky steele
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for anyone who cares, i just finished my *last* frickin' final of the
semester...hell yeah. :) i'm goin' home so if ya' need to, you won't be
able to reach me at my pbethan address. ;) won't be checkin' mail on
that account till late august. i'll be resubbing at my other crib. ;)

later dudes,
bethany :)

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at 9:20 pm -0700 5/6/98, doolittle wrote:
> keb' mo' (who
>is absolutely spectacular!)
keb m0 is da man !
m

"free your mind and your ass will follow" (funkadelic)

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i was just singing the itsy bitsy spider song and was thinking --

i'd bet it would make all those jack asses who canceled ig and protested
outside their concerts feel really guilty if we sent them the little
snip from one of their shows in which they sing the itsy bitsy spider
song.  that's just the sweetest thing i ever did see!

hmmph.  just had to share...

-kate  :o)

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oh gosh,

i was really hoping some listee had gotten to the columbia show... i'm
sure the patter and energy were even better than the news reports have
said...

usually i don't worry about hearing how every show went, but obviously
this was a very special one...

anyone?

please?


love

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most churches, of all denominations, have individual churches that are
gay friendly.  i happen to be studying to be a pastor in the lutheran
church and the church that i work at right now is 60%
gay/lesbian/bi-sexual.  there is a group called lutherans concerned that
is huge in the us that is made up of people in the glb community and the
lutheran church.

my point?   just don't judge a group without getting all the facts.
christianity is a huge umbrella that has lots of different people under
it.  some of us aren't so bad!

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i like the a + e =ig the best too :)

jules

on thu, 7 may 1998, melissa genevieve young wrote:

> i personally like "a + e = ig" the best.  i think we should have a
> formal vote--or did we already and i missed it?  i would be willing to
> tally votes if needed.
>
> melissa.
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        just wondering: have the girls ever played saturday night live?

sincerely,
ian c.

"ow! ladies, please bear in mind, i need that..."
        - hank, "revenge of the shower rod"

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<gay christians>

if that isn't an oxymoron....i don't know what is.

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** celebrity birthdays **

may 9
mike wallace 79, albert finney 61, glenda jackson 61,
james l. brooks 57, candice bergen 51, billy joel 48,
alley mills 47

may 10
gary owens 62, donovan 52, bono 38, young mc 31

may 11
martha quinn 39, natasha richardson 35, austin
o'brien 18

may 12
katherine hepburn 91, burt bacharach 69, tom snyder
62, george carlin 61, steve winwood 50, lindsay
crouse 50, bruce boxleitner 48, ving rhames 37,
emilio estevez 36, stephen baldwin 32, kim fields
freeman 29, mackenzie astin 25, melanie "sporty
spice" chisolm 22

may 13
bea arthur 72, harvey keitel 59, franklin ajaye 49,
dennis rodman 37, julianne phillips 36, darius
rucker 32

may 14
george lucas 54, david byrne 46, robert zemeckis 46,
tim roth 37, fab "milli vanilli" morvan 32

may 15
anna maria alberghetti 62, lainie kazan 58, cazz
palminteri 47, lee horsley 43, david charvet 26, amy
chow 20

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oops!

i forgot to mention sonia tetlow is also in captain deneuve, playing at the
backdrop on sunday, in atlanta.   she's a local singer/songwriter, with a
*lot* of talent!   her newest cd is being distributed by daemon, as well.

check it out!
sunday, may 10
7:00 pm
backdrop (on peachtree)

thanks!
lisa

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i dunno whether or not this got posted but you can find the transcript,
and video footage of ellen's interview with diane sawyer on primetime
live.  there is also a poll on whether or not we think the station was
right to cancel it or not.  i guess this is just fyi...

http://www.abcnews.com/sections/us/dailynews/ellen980506.html

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hi everyone-

there was a small story on the hs cancellations in today's
entertainment, etc. section of the usa today:

color my world:  " we're just surprised at how hateful this has become,"
says amy ray, who with emily saliers makes the indigo girls, the openly
gay duo.  their high school concerts have been canceled three times
after controversy over their sexual orientation and use of profanity.

**my comments...

'their use of profanity'...oh please!  yes, i am so offended by those
indigo girls.  (sorry, couldn't help but to be sarcastic about that)
could the person who threw this story together been a bit more vague
about the whole thing?  they make the girls sound like this 'openly gay'
foul-mouthed duo.
(to partially quote their own description!)

anyone else thinking about writing to the editor with me?

anyway, i am leaving work now!  hope you all have a great weekend!

jan

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the whole gay christian thing is too simple. if one is a christian and a
follower of the bible then wouldn't the enitire bible apply. how can we pick
and chose to make it fit into our own life-styles. it seems warped, like more
of a twist on th mind then religion already is. i"m a lesbian, and one of my
best friends is a born-again hristian, and it's one of the hardest parts of my
life right now, becasue i don't really know what to make of anything. to be a
christian is to accept that the bible is the word of god, who will later be
your savcior. to be a christian is to devote your life to pleasing the lord,
and according to the bible, being gay can't be a part f thet, look up
corintians 6:9. i actualy right now feeling very hurt by the entire situation.
if anyone has any feed-back or discussion and would like to continue it with
me privately, i"d love you to e-mail me. i think this is an interesting
thread.

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for those of you who don't know, tickets to lilith fair in portland,
oregon, (which go on sale tomorrow) are $40 plus a $6.50 service charge
(!!) and all are general admission.
-sam (still debating if it's worth it or not...)

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i'd looked around for a long time for ig bumper stickers and
couldn't find any so i just made one.  i took a legal sheet
of paper, used 140 point "station ec" font in landscape mode.
it reads simply "indigo girls".  it's 14" x 4".  i taped it to
the back window in my hatchback so i can see it in my rear-view
mirror.

i didn't have a color printer then so i used a blue permanent
marker.  worked great!  no fading.  very nice, and free!  and
you can change it every few months if you want to switch between
"a+e=ig" and "amy/emily" and "indigo girls" or whatever.  just
print up a new one! :)

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hey folks,

here is the article dan mentioned, from the cnn site at
http://www.cnn.com/showbiz/9805/07/indigo.girls/.

-sherlyn

===
indigo girls give free concert in south carolina
appearance follows canceled high school gig

columbia, south carolina (cnn) -- the indigo girls, a folk-rock
duo, sang for free before 2,000 screaming students thursday after
an appearance at an area high school was canceled.

irmo high school principal gerald witt canceled the school show
after parents complained because the women are lesbians and
reportedly used a profane lyric in another appearance.

"this decision was based on some concerns that had been expressed
to us by some parents, by some people in the community," said witt.

the indigo girls rented an auditorium for thursday's concert and
invited students from all area high schools to pick up the free
tickets.

a small group of protesters stood outside the concert hall, calling
the band members sinners. but those attending the concert felt
differently.

"they are not there to say that homosexuality is great, come and do
it, they are saying, 'can't everyone get along,'" said cynthia
potts, one indigo girls fan.

the indigo girls had originally planned combined concerts and
question-and-answer sessions at five high schools this spring.

but the appearance in columbia was the third one canceled by school
officials; two schools in tennessee also refused to let them
perform.

band member amy ray told a news conference thursday, "we wanted to
go into schools and be completely apolitical. we wanted to go in
and talk about music, talk about careers you could have as
musicians."

her singing partner, emily saliers, said the cancellations were due
to fear and ignorance.

ray and saliers, who are not a couple, have been openly gay for
about five years. they say they would like to try another high
school tour, but this time without all the cancellations.

correspondent brian cabell and the associated press contributed to
this report.


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  i decided what to do with the ticket that i had extra. i am giving it to
mom for her birthday present. she liked the idea so sorry it is no longer
up for grabs. anyone going to polaris. i can't wait it will be a blast. i
heard there is suppose to be an album or rather a single disk being just
released at the fair. can someone clue me in on who the artist is and about
the disk. thanks! missy

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hey folks,

becky said:
>can anyone email me and tell me what this is below. i found it at the amazon
>site and am curious.
>  indigo girls : rites of passage : personality folios
>                             paperback / published 1993
>                             our price: $16.95 (special order)

according to the isbn on the site, it's just the rop songbook.  i'm
curious about some of the audio cassettes they have listed though...
i might try ordering some and see what happens, even though i still
haven't gotten my special-order copy of judith tarr's "a wind in
cairo", which i ordered back in mid-january... damn international
surface mail anyway.  i should have sprung for air mail! :)

happy happy -
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hey folks,

this is the article elizabeth mentioned, from the front page
of yesterday's "the state".  i think the url elizabeth mentioned
has just been updated with today's headline story though...

-sherlyn

===
published friday, may 8, 1998, in the state

students walk out; show goes on

by alan richard and yon lambert
staff writers

the controversy surrounding an indigo girls' columbia performance
reached a crescendo thursday with a morning protest at irmo high
school and an afternoon concert attended by 1,600.

ten irmo students were suspended for eight days for their part in
a morning walkout that began with 50 people. the entire student
body eventually emptied the school after someone pulled a fire
alarm.

the concert itself, which lasted more than an hour, produced few
sparks, although some concertgoers argued briefly with a protestor
in front of the township.

"we want to thank irmo's teachers, students and faculty for
supporting us," singer amy ray said during a concert encore. "i
understand irmo has a really strong music program, and we encourage
you take part in it."

the indigo girls had been scheduled to perform a free, 30-minute
concert at irmo high school thursday morning. but the performance
was cancelled last week by principal gerald witt in part because
the singers are lesbians.

the decision upset many students, who threatened a walkout the day
of the concert. at school thursday morning, 50 students remained
outside when a bell rang about 8:45. moments later, more students
poured outside, and the crowd grew to 200.

one girl held up a poster that said: "irmo, i represent massive
oppression." at one point, she ran into the middle of st. andrews
road showing off the poster. several people drove by honking their
horns and holding their thumbs up.

then someone pulled a fire alarm, and all 1,800 or so students
walked outside.

witt and others ushered most students back inside, but about 50
remained a few more minutes. most of them then returned to class,
leaving about 12 sitting in a circle and debating the concert issue
with witt and athletics director bob hanna.

an hour later, witt escorted the small group of students inside.
most were later given their punishment, including the suspensions.

buddy price, spokesman for school district 5 of lexington and
richland counties, said two other students still were being
evaluated late thursday afternoon. he said students who simply were
tardy or faced minor punishment would be dealt with today.

the suspensions disappointed some. "they were just standing up for
what they believe in. you don't punish that," said freshman anna
jones, who protested for a short while.

she said witt's decision goes against a motto that hangs in the
cafeteria, "picture a world without prejudice, bias or hate."

karen flowers, whose journalism class first organized the concert,
said the punishment for some students "just doesn't seem fair--not
all of them deserved eight days."

price said the school suspended students who participated in
"significant disruption" by refusing to return to class.

lexington county sheriff's officers responded to the school after
the fire alarm rang. sheriff's spokesman gary morgan said one girl
was struck by a soda can.

morgan said students who prolonged their protest could have been
arrested and charged with disturbing the school, but school
officials did not press charges.

others found different ways to protest witt's decision.

"i'm doing this legally," said jordan jennings, an irmo high senior
who signed herself out of school to protest. she has gay relatives
and friends, and said, "i just think that it's wrong to hate
people."

student body president stephanie gallman said she and many other
seniors didn't participate in the walkout for two reasons: the fear
of not graduating, and because the issue has faded.

"i did not support the administration's decision to cancel the
concert," gallman said. "but there were a lot of things more
important to me than this issue, like exempting exams."

gallman said witt has made time to listen to students who disliked
his decision. "my feelings have died down since last week."

some who didn't walk out of class wore rainbow-colored ribbons to
show their support for tolerance of gays.

"a lot of people are wearing the ribbons," said senior julia isaac,
who wore one herself.

carl jackson, the father of two irmo high students, stood on the
sidewalk and watched the walkout. he backs witt's decision, but also
respects his son's right to walk out.

"when i was in college i did some crazy things, too," he said.

irmo graduate chris thompson, a freshman at winthrop university,
also stood and watched. "i'm not gay myself but i have a lot of gay
friends," he said. "a lot of them are afraid to come out in high
school because of things like this."

later in the morning, district 5 superintendent dennis mcmahon and
witt met with the media to talk about witt's decision to cancel the
concert.

mcmahon said the women's sexual orientation alone doesn't bother
him. "if it was just because of the lifestyle, i would not have
supported his decision."

but the superintendent added he knew witt had made the right decision
after learning the indigo girls reportedly used a four-letter word
during a school show in georgia.

thursday afternoon's concert began at the township just after 4 p.m.
about half the seats in the 3,200-seat auditorium were filled by
students with free tickets and adults who paid $15.

students and some demonstrators - particularly one man standing near
a large sign that read "sodomy is sin" - argued loudly, but briefly
outside before the show. a few students carried signs inside and many
wore rainbow-colored ribbons.

the duo, ray and emily saliers, sang and played guitars without a
band. they opened with their only song on eight albums that directly
addresses homosexuality, "it's alright."

late in the show, hidden in a wash of electric guitar and feedback,
ray sang, "i'm tired of you trying to teach when you should be
learning. i'm sorry to see we're surrounded by hate, hate, hate.

"when i go to sleep at night, i can still pray," she said. "does it
make you hate me? because when you hate me, i can still love you."

staff writer michael miller contributed to this report. alan richard
may be reached at (803) 771-8315. yon lambert may be reached at (803)
771-8507.


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hey folks,

this was sent to the news list...

-sherlyn

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>from: "julie kahn/helen e. brown" <jkheb@mediaone.net>
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>it's 3:12 pm and i just saw a news story on the indigo girls
>and the sc controversy on headline news.  basically the same
>story and quotes as was at cnn.com, but there also was an
>interview with the principal of irmo high and some pictures
>of protesters.
>
>the girls had a press conference and they said that they
>would like to do the high school tour again -- 'with a few
>less cancellations.'  (sounds like an emily line to me ;-)
>).
>
>have a good day.
>
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hey folks -

this comes from sonicnet (http://www.sonicnet.com)...

-sherlyn

===
students, parents sing along with indigo girls
amy ray and emily saliers thanked about 1,600 students, teachers and
parents for their support.

correspondent lauren medway reports:

editor's note: as part of their current tour, the indigo girls were
scheduled to perform a free, 30-minute concert thursday for students
of irmo high school in irmo, s.c. however, in a move that has since
erupted into controversy, principal gerald witt decided a week earlier
to cancel the gig, bowing to pressure from parents about the group's
homosexuality. about 50 students protested, walking out of class
during school hours, and 10 of them were immediately suspended for
their actions. as a result of the cancellation, the indigo girls --
amy ray and emily saliers -- rescheduled the concert for later that
day at the township auditorium in nearby columbia, s.c. tickets were
offered free to high-school students, teachers and administrators with
valid ids. sonicnet music news sent irmo student lauren medway, news
editor of the school newspaper, the stinger, to cover the event. here
is her report:

columbia, s.c. -- at 18, irmo high school student michael songer had
never seen the indigo girls perform live.

and when his chance finally came thursday night, the moment was
bittersweet.

"i was really disappointed that we didn't get to see them at irmo and
i was excited when they rescheduled in columbia," said songer, a
student at irmo high school. "i've never seen them before but i've
heard they're really good live."

now, he's seen it for himself.

songer was among close to 100 teens and adults who milled outside the
township auditorium on thursday waiting for amy ray and emily
saliers -- otherwise known as the indigo girls -- to take the stage for
their rescheduled 4 p.m. show. a group of about 10 adult protesters
huddled near the entrance with signs reading, among other things,
"sodomy is a sin."

while irmo teens seemed overjoyed at the chance to see the indigo girls
despite a cancellation of the duo's scheduled performance during a
school assembly earlier that day, students at other schools were
thankful for the opportunity as well.

"irmo rocks because we all got to see [the indigo girls]," said jodie
spencer, 16, from dreher high school, who was among the close to 1,600
parents, students and other local fans attending the event. about 1,000
tickets were left unsold.

jim long, parent of an irmo student, said he attended the concert
because he was curious about the turnout. "i wanted to hear them and i
wanted to see the support," he said. "i thought [irmo] should have had
it; [the concert] should have happened. it would have been nice, as
good as this or better."

irmo student jason pittman, 15, seemed more than content to have the
show take place at the medium-sized township auditorium. "parents were
worried about the influence of the indigo girls' sexuality on irmo
students," pittman said. "when they did it at the township, it gave
the students who wanted to see the band a chance to see them."

at 4 p.m., the scheduled start of the show, everyone piled into the
auditorium. after a brief set by a local alternative band, danielle
howle and the tantrums, who were joined onstage by r.e.m. bassist
michael mills, it was time for the indigo girls. the lights went down
and the screaming began.

speaking through their song, ray and saliers burst into the lyrics
"it's alright if you hate me because i'm different or because i'm gay"
from their song "it's alright."

they followed that with about a dozen of their hits, including their
most recent, "shame on you" (realaudio excerpt), which ray said her
mother had requested she sing that afternoon and which had become the
subject of some of the controversy. principals at two other schools in
tennessee who called off indigo girls gigs after the irmo show was
canceled cited the use of the word "fucking" in that song as reason for
their decision.

the atlanta-based indigo girls ended each song with their traditional
"thanks y'all" and encouraged the audience to sing along. even students
who weren't familiar with the band danced and sang to the music. "we
love you!" a fan shouted, and the indigo girls responded in unison with
"we love you, too!" one student threw her bra to the girls twice, but
both times it fell short of the stage. another gave flowers to ray and
saliers, and by the end of the show, the stage was adorned with colorful
bouquets. "now we know you can sing -- don't be shy," saliers told the
crowd.

during a rendition of their single "galileo," the indigo girls stepped
back from their mics so the audience members could lend their voices and
the duo seemed impressed with the results. fans also joined in an encore
to sing the band's breakthrough hit, "closer to fine."

ray and saliers even let howle sing part of "closer to fine," and during
the first part of the encore, the whole group broke out into the violent
femmes hit "blister in the sun." the indigo girls later invited howle and
her band onstage for "second guess."

in addition to thanking students and parents for their support, the duo
also thanked the township and the radio and print media, as well as howle
and the tantrums. they even offered praise for the irmo high school
curriculum. "we understand irmo has a great music program and you should
be a part of it," ray said.

after it was all over, irmo student ashleigh mobe, 17, summed up the
experience by saying, "it was a very inspiring concert."

for graham baker, 16, of irmo, the concert was a chance to show the
indigo girls that, for students such as himself, the duo is always
welcome in his home state. "i really liked the band," he said. "[i came]
to support them because they got kicked out of our school."

[ fri., may 8, 8:45 pm pdt ]


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*finally* seattle channel 9 is showing the austin city limits that most
of the country saw a couple of months ago!
anyhoo, 11pm channel 9. be there or...

paulal

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just for the record..lel and i like indigoing better...

lamia

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><gay christians>

>if that isn't an oxymoron....i don't know what is.

why is that an oxymoron?!?  is this a slam on gays or a slam on christians,
b/c i would like to protest either one!!!

shannon

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>the indigo girls later invited howle and her band onstage for "second guess."
        this wouldn't be "i don't wanna know", would it? :)
>a group of about 10 adult protesters huddled near the entrance with signs
reading, among other things, "sodomy is a sin."
        this disturbs me...anyone else?
>speaking through their song, ray and saliers burst into the lyrics
"it's alright if you hate me because i'm different or because i'm gay"
from their song "it's alright."
        woo hoo!

what can we do on a local level to get rid of this bigotry?
                                                christy


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end."
                                                -emily saliers
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in a message dated 98-05-08 21:13:37 edt, lisa writes:

<< captain deneuve, playing at the
backdrop on sunday, in atlanta.  >>

aren't they worried that catherine d. will sue their lil' asses ?
(i hear she's touchy about her name...
or maybe that's only with lesbian magazines ;)
:)
claire

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in a message dated 98-05-08 23:47:35 edt, the state write:

<< some who didn't walk out of class wore rainbow-colored ribbons to
show their support for tolerance of gays.  >>

one "tolerates" bad weather, yappy leg humping dogs, bugs and such...

what's up with "tolerating gays" ?
like that's supposed to be some kind of compliment ?

please.....

:-o
claire

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someone wrote:
><gay christians>

>if that isn't an oxymoron....i don't know what is.

shannon wrote:
why is that an oxymoron?!?  is this a slam on gays or a slam on
christians,
b/c i would like to protest either one!!!

same here..why even say it if you're joking? i'm not going to bash the
men, or the straights..so why does someone get to bash me? i am gay, i
am a christian..if you want to debate it with me let's take it up in
private email or come to my chatroom...

it's not an oxymoron...and..well no i'm not even going to stoop to be
insulting..can't stoop down to your level sorry...

lamia


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i'm sorry to see we're surrounded by hate, hate, hate.
when i go to sleep at night, i can still pray,
does it make you hate me?
because when you hate me, i can still love you."
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"sodomy is a sin."
        this disturbs me...anyone else?


yeah i dunno where in the bible it says that..i'm going to be ringing up
my friend jeff who's gonna be a preacher one day ;)
no seriously he is into very deep stuff at semonary so this will be
interresting b/c i don't recall seeing that anywhere in the bible...

lamia


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does it make you hate me?
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date:         fri, 8 may 1998 23:54:53 pdt
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claire wrote:

what's up with "tolerating gays" ?
like that's supposed to be some kind of compliment ?


yes but if you tolerate them you're less likely to try to gun them down,
or something less fatal but still mean..tollerance is better than rabid
hatred.

lamia

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well, what can i say i've never been to an ig concert and by all of your
reviews and comments i expected a great, long, full show.  shawn colvin
started out, she had only her guitar, and sounded great.  btw-how does she
play that think with her belly sticking out?  anyway then can steve earl, he
sang one song, the ricky lee johns came on and did a few, then the girls:
not in order:
it's alright
soy
least complicated
get out the map
2 new songs
faye tucker
scooter boys
i think theres one more but i didnt  write any of it down or get a set list. i
was expecting a full set but this was it!  steve earl played almost longer
than they did!
they were in really great moods though amy said several times " ya'll rock!"
she also mentioned that it had been a "political" week, and that they weren't
going to cuss or any bad thing like that. amy said " yea we only cuss at the
beginning of the show, the rest of the time we're just gay."  hell yea to
amy!!!!!
ia - was good and happy, full of energy
soy- really great, both of them sounded really nice
lc- had amy dancing around when she wasnt playing, emily with a cute little
grin, sounded really nice
gotm- same consistent girls
faye tucker- awesome, awesome song, amy was screaming into the mic and
thrashing around, really got the agry point across, it moved right into --
scooter boys - what can i say this was absolutly the highlight of the show,
first of all can emily play an electric or what?? damn that girl rocks she can
kick some ass! amy was screaming, and jumping around!! it was absolutly
awesome, she was raging!! it rawked!
the two new songs were wonderful, i can't wait to see them on the new album!
well amy's my woman and just to see her energy live was great even though it
was short.  the both looked really nice, they were happy, obviosly they like
the austin crowd, it was very relaxed.  and me, well i finally got the guts to
ask this one girl to come with me so i was there with her and that was just
fine by me.  she got lots of compliments on her " lesbian avengers" shirt, it
says "we recuit" on the back.  anyone want to give us a toaster oven?  btw no
pda, exept for really cute little couples holding hands, and some kissing, and
it does give ya a warm fuzzy feeling doesn't it? i went to kirby lane but we
didn't see anyone that looked too aproachable, and we didnt feel comfortable
asking people " are you on the ig list?" so we left and went to her house.
sorry if i missed any of you nifty people, i was just being anti social :)
val

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tgif members,
hope you had a great week :)
the focus at the nettwerk office these days is lilith, lilith, and more
lilith! it's hard to beleive that the tour begins in just over 5 weeks, my
how time flies...

another group of tickets go on sale this weekend. check it out, 'cause it
could be in your city!

tickets going on-sale *saturday may 9th*:
        * portland, or @ the civic stadium
        * phoenix, az @ desert sky
        * rochester, ny @ finger lakes
        * hartford, ct @ the meadows +
        * columbia, md @ merriweather post (both dates) +
        * virginia beach, va @ gte virginia beach amphitheater
        * raleigh, nc @ walnut creek
        * charlotte, nc @ blockbuster pavilion amphitheater
        * nashville, tn @ starwood amphitheater
        * pittsburgh, pa @ star lake amphitheater
        * buffalo, ny @ darien lake

check with ticketmaster for further details. tickets go on-sale at approx.
10am but i would advise trying at 9am, because they may have someone on the
phone lines early!

*tickets for the hartford and columbia shows should apparantly be purchased
through protix (http://www.protix.com). you can call them at 860-422-0000
or 413-732-0202 for further details and ordering. group sale tickets can
apparantly be purchased by calling 860-548-7370, extension 226. the protix
site currently only has the columbia shows listed on their site, but give
them a call or check out their web site on saturday (or in the next couple
of days) for info on the hartford show.


sarah tidbits:
*"who is sarah mclachlan?" was the question to an answer on college
jeopardy this week.
*last night abc broadcasted the1998 skate tv championships and oksana baiul
skated to "possession".


take care & be safe!
leanne


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dc boarder sez:
>
><gay christians>
>
>if that isn't an oxymoron....i don't know what is.

***not to be argumentative but....i gotta disagree. in an informal poll
taken during breaks of the show homicide last night ( i first  just wrote
homicide, but i figured you guys know me too well and you'd be in my back
yard diggin up bodies by now!), about 40% of my  gay friends identify as
christian. of those 40%, there are even five who are catholic, the
supposedly most intolerant branch of christianity towardness queer folks.
so, it may be an oxymoron to you, but there are plenty of gay folks who are
christian and happy to be. there are many gay-friendly or specifically gay
denominations these days like the metro church of christ....most major
cities have mostly gay congregations. i have been to many services at mcc
and i feel the lord there as much as anywhere else. not every fan of jesus
is a gay basher...as i recall, amy ray is a fan of jesus too.

sus
waving hi to her quaker sister, larisssssaaaaa

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i just got my tix to see lilith at merriweather this morning..after being the
only one in line from 3:30 am until 7 and i must say it paid off...i got
pit!!!! at merriweather..can you believe it?????? just had to share my good
news...  :)

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just for the record there are exactly 8 admonishments to gays in the
bible and over 350 to hederosexuals!!!

as for the literal concept of the bible.....it also says in psalms that
parents have the right to bash their childrens heads agaginst rocks!  :-]

rhonda

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date:         sat, 9 may 1998 10:47:01 -0400
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subject:      lilith at merriweather 7/18

i need a ticket to lilith at merriweather on saturday 7/18.
i just spent 2 hours on the phone, and couldn't get through
so i'm thinking all the good seats will be gone.  if i'd
known there wasn't much of a line (hi, poprckgrrl!), i
would have made the trip to get my ticket in person.

anyway, if anyone has an extra ticket i could buy, let me know!

mary.

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subject:      merriweather lilith

well, i got in line at 6:30 this morning and got lawn seats...but my
friend swears that if you get there early to get in the front row of the
lawn that they are ok seats.  geez, we all thought that the limit was 4,
but as it turned out they had the limit at 10!!!  ok, but it seems to me
that is excessive, cuz people just go and buy a ton and scalp them, and
it's not really fair to those of us who were trying to get them! :(  oh
well, it was crazy!  at least it wasn't raining too much, and we were
basically under cover.  i was, of course, singing ig while in line, but
not too loud...it was early to piss people off :)

love,
carolyn
(at least i got tix!)
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i am so freaking out!
not only is there a mini-article on the girls in the vicksburg paper but
there's a pic too!!!!!! :)
man! this is the place where thursday the front page cover story was:
beavers and squirels annoy oak street residents...!
i can't believe it! *dancin around*

mornin!

lamia


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does it make you hate me?
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http://www.mtv.com/sendme.cgi?/mtv/news/headlines/980508/story1.html&news_cc.html

i don't think anyone's sent this addy yet..there's a pic and the
following article:

.8.98 7:55 edt  indigo girls canceled again

indigo girls
on wednesday, a high school in knoxville, tennessee became the third
school to cancel a scheduled, free afternoon concert by the indigo
girls, who say they're trying to reach their younger fans with these
daytime shows.

farragut high in knoxville cited the same reason as another tennessee
high school earlier this week: a four-letter word in the song "shame on
you," which the indigos performed last sunday at a high school in
georgia.

as we reported last week (see "indigo girls speak out on show
cancellation"), a south carolina school also canceled the indigos saying
it was partly because they're lesbians, and partly because concerts are
not appropriate during school hours.

that incident prompted south carolina natives hootie and the blowfish to
come to the defense of the indigos, with drummer jim "sonny" sonefeld
telling local press that the area is "socially medieval."

the indigo girls wrap up their tour friday night in austin, texas with a
benefit show for mexico's zapatista rebels.

for more on indigo girls, check out the mtv news gallery.

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well, although most everyone who wrote like "i'd rather be indigoing"
there are a few who would like "a + e = ig"  actually, most of y'all who
would buy don't seem to care either way.  but so as to keep this
democratic, let's have a vote.  also, please include in your vote, if
you have a preference, clear vs white background and if you'd prefer
clear adhesive on front (the sticker would go on the inside of the
window) or adhesive on the outside (sticker on outside of window).  one
other thing: these stickers are guaranteed not to damage your car
windows in any way, and they are supposed to easily removable.

please respond by the end of this tuesday (5/12) with your preference.
again, the choices are:
1) i'd rather be indigoing
2) a + e = ig

majority will rule...
thanks so much,
lizzy

and thanks for the advice on patty griffin - i'll be there!

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hello i was on a indigo girls web page and there was a question on there
that said "what is emily's nickname?" and the answer was "sunny." is
that true? if it is true, how do you know it is true?

emilio

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subject:      prince of darkness (intro chords)

hi!

i hope everyone is having a great weekend:-)!

i was just playing around a bit with prince of darkness and to me the
chord voicings the songbook is suggesting just sound wrong.
these sound much better, though (can't stop playing that intro;-)):

      d/g: xx0032
      d/f#: xx4032
      d/e: xx2032

(i'm sorry, if this is old news to all our guitar gurus on the
list:-)).

on a different note: i stumbled across a copy of history of us today
at a fleemarket and i was wondering whether it is the real thing or a
bootleg of the *original* bootleg. the cover is a still from the
galileo video and the same still is also used on the cd itself?

btw,  they also had a copy of in with the out crowd but it had a completely
different layout than those rdr were selling a while ago.

take care,
kathrin

p.s. claudine, you'll hear from me over the weekend, promised:-).

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in a message dated 98-05-09 02:54:55 edt, saliers_ray@hotmail.com writes:

<< claire wrote:
what's up with "tolerating gays" ?
like that's supposed to be some kind of compliment ?

<<yes but if you tolerate them you're less likely to try to gun them down,
or something less fatal but still mean..tollerance is better than rabid
hatred. >>

well to me that is akin to taking scraps from the 'masters' table and
being grateful, thereby reinforcing their 'god given' right to dominate
and oppress or 'tolerate', at their will.

but that's just me.
:)claire
p.s. i don't wanna go off on a tangent here.. i have just noticed a lot of
these
subtle messages in the coverage of the recent ig cancellations...coming
from the "pro-gay" side to boot...like it's okay, ig isn't, like, 'too' gay or
anything.

"a good pimp's gonna rob you blind...."
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claire wrote:

what's up with "tolerating gays" ?
like that's supposed to be some kind of compliment ?


yes but if you tolerate them you're less likely to try to gun them down,
or something less fatal but still mean..tollerance is better than rabid
hatred.

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hey everyone! this might be the dumbest question in the world but, hey,
why not ask it>>> does anyone know a denomination of chrisianity
(bible-based, jesus lovin, etc...) that can believes that premarital sex
isn't a sin if it's out of love, or caring, and is responsible??
this is probably a dumb question but i'm just wondering...any group that
can interpret that allows us to make some of our own choices dumb or
intelligent without labeling it a sin and letting us deal with our own
consequences, positive or negative??

email me privately or post it...i'd be interested...

-greg =]

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sorry....a bit more:

i belief in all i said, while of course still loving jesus and following
his teachings and searching for that personal relationship....all that
goes without saying, in being christian...but i'm just wondering about the
stuff in the previous letter....if it can ever coincide with jesus and his
message...(??)
am i clear??
thanks!
greg =]

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there are actually some interesting sites on the internet that deal with
your questions...there are refutations of "traditional" born again
christian arguments against homosexuality, citing the specific bible
verses and explaining how they are actually taken out of context or
exaggerated or even made to mean something they have nothing to do
with...interstingly enough at certain times in history, homosexuality was
far more accepted in religious circles than it is today in those same
circles....
there's lots to find if you look for it...=]
-greg =]

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              all              the rainbow people
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actually, probably the "most intolerant branch of christianity" towards
homosexuality is born-again christianity.  the catholic church's position
has been lightening up quite a bit in recent years and centuries ago they
evened performed homosexual unions and ordained homosexual bishops and
such...


-greg =]

> christian. of those 40%, there are even five who
are catholic, the
> supposedly most intolerant branch of christianity towardness queer folks.
> so, it may be an oxymoron to you, but there are plenty of gay folks who are
> christian and happy to be. there are many gay-friendly or specifically gay
> denominations these days like the metro church of christ....most major
> cities have mostly gay congregations. i have been to many services at mcc
> and i feel the lord there as much as anywhere else. not every fan of jesus
> is a gay basher...as i recall, amy ray is a fan of jesus too.
>
> sus
> waving hi to her quaker sister, larisssssaaaaa
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i hate
typos....instead of "i belief" , i meant "a beliefe" sorry for any
confusion...

speaking of typos, i just meant "a belief" not "a beliefe"
i'm such an idiot...

on sat, 9 may
1998, old man mean legs wrote:

> sorry....a bit more:
>
> i belief in all i said, while of course still loving jesus and following
> his teachings and searching for that personal relationship....all that
> goes without saying, in being christian...but i'm just wondering about the
> stuff in the previous letter....if it can ever coincide with jesus and his
> message...(??)
> am i clear??
> thanks!
> greg =]
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in a message dated 98-05-09 03:00:44 edt, you write:

<<  amy said " yea we only cuss at the
beginning of the show, the rest of the time we're just gay."  hell yea to
amy!!!!! >>

maybe our bumber sticker should say " i love the cussin' gay girls!"

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hey ya'all-
        i heard that the girls were considering doing another high school tour
sometime, despite this mess.  would anyone like to tell me a)whether or
not this is true, and b)how to contact them to tell them that we have a
liberal high school who would love to have them.
                                lynz

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tonight at the backyard sister seven is playing , anyone from the list
(possibly 17yrs old or so) want to go cuz im finding myself with an extra
ticket.
:)
val

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what you just described could be many things.  one person's definition of
marriage may be different from anothers, and even the state may disagree
with whether or not 2 people are married even when the church says they are
(or aren't).  marriage is more than a piece of paper or a blessing to have
sex.  marriage is a commitment between a couple and god (no one else) and is
sacred because the two have made it that way.  being gay doesn't mean you're
promiscuous, and it doesn't mean you should abstain.  the beautiful thing
about being created in the image of god is that every one of us has the
right to chose what to believe in, and no manner of preaching will change
your mind unless god has prompted you to change.

did i answer the question?

carley
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>hey everyone! this might be the dumbest question in the world but, hey,
>why not ask it>>> does anyone know a denomination of chrisianity
>(bible-based, jesus lovin, etc...) that can believes that premarital sex
>isn't a sin if it's out of love, or caring, and is responsible??
>this is probably a dumb question but i'm just wondering...any group that
>can interpret that allows us to make some of our own choices dumb or
>intelligent without labeling it a sin and letting us deal with our own
>consequences, positive or negative??
>
>email me privately or post it...i'd be interested...
>
>-greg =]
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hello all,

        in 1200 curfews, that bonus track at the end of disc 2 of
problem child (mixed with touch me fall) has become my favorite
'unofficial' (that is, not on any of the major albums) song. anyone
here know the chords? bc i've checked olga and it's not there;
anyone with any info pls. e-mail me privately. thanks!

sincerely,
ian c.

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        - hank, "revenge of the shower rod"

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i'm not sure how many people out there are going to lilith at merriweather,
but i'm thinking it would be an opportune time to have a list meet...what do
ya say?

heather
who is soooooooo sleepy

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when you say, nothing will change your mind "unless god has prompted you
to change" doesn't that imply that we don't have free will? that we can't
have an opinion, change our mind, choose a religion until god prompts us?
do you believe that there is one correct religion or denomination? when
you speak of "god" are you speaking of the christian, father of jesus
god, or a general supreme force?
just curious...=]

greg =]

>
promiscuous, and it doesn't mean you should abstain. the beautiful thing
> about being created in the image of god is that every one of us has the
> right to chose what to believe in, and no manner of preaching will change
> your mind unless god has prompted you to change.
>
> did i answer the question?
>
> carley
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> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
> date: saturday, may 09, 1998 2:17 pm
> subject: comp. nigc-religious philosophy
>
>
> >hey everyone! this might be the dumbest question in the world but, hey,
> >why not ask it>>> does anyone know a denomination of chrisianity
> >(bible-based, jesus lovin, etc...) that can believes that premarital sex
> >isn't a sin if it's out of love, or caring, and is responsible??
> >this is probably a dumb question but i'm just wondering...any group that
> >can interpret that allows us to make some of our own choices dumb or
> >intelligent without labeling it a sin and letting us deal with our own
> >consequences, positive or negative??
> >
> >email me privately or post it...i'd be interested...
> >
> >-greg =]
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subject:      re: gay christians
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>just for the record there are exactly 8 admonishments to gays in the
>bible and over 350 to hederosexuals!!!
>
>as for the literal concept of the bible.....it also says in psalms that
>parents have the right to bash their childrens heads agaginst rocks!  :-]

i don't want to get into a lecture here about the old testament versus the
new testament (mainly because i don't know nearly enough to do so), but
here are a few observations:

1.  the general idea is that when jesus came, he replaced and became the
law.  as a result, we determine our actions based on a loving relationship
with jesus rather than a lengthy code of regulations.  think about how good
and right that is...with your parents, or teachers, or friends (all of
which jesus is), aren't you more likely to follow their wishes because you
love them than because they wield authority over you?  so...would jesus
want us to " bash our childrens' heads against rocks"?  no.  no.  no.

2.  a sin is a sin is a sin.  that's why i got so angry about the protester
at the ig concert with the sign saying "sodomy is a sin".  i wanted to say,
"so is lack of wisdom and lying.  have you ever said anything stupid or
told a lie?"  this is one of the hardest concepts to understand about
christianity: in god's eyes, there is no degree to sin.  that's why i find
it so sadly comical for christian protesters to single out a sin and focus
on it.  why don't these people picket bars?  do you not think that more
evil and destruction and sadness comes from alcoholism than from a couple
of folk singers performing at a high school?

aaaauuuuuuuggghhhhh!!!  i just want so much for all of you to realize how
beautiful and complete christianity is, apart from *people*.  but i know
that the representatives of my faith, for the most part, will never
demonstrate this.

trying to shine some light,
justin


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i'm listening to the k's choice pepsi commercial on the radio in new orleans.
not too shabby - at least k's choice has talent!!! :o)  and at least it wasn't
the used-to-be-lift coke commercial... i'd of had to change the channel.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
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with all this talk about the bible and gay christians, i just wanted to point
something out....
  while the bible was written through god's influence it was nonetheless
written by man, who is imperfect and with his own prejudices... how much of
what is in the bible simply reflects the prejudices of that time period and
how much has been lost in translation we will never know!  this isn't the
direct word of god, but someones interpretation of it... of course people are
probably not going to want to hear that...

also, on a really scary note, i followed a link to a web page today that
freaked me out pretty badly and thought you all would like to hear about
considering the particular thread of the list the past couple of days...  it
is the westboro baptist church homepage...  http://www.godhatesfags.com.....
pretty scary huh?
--kate

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hey folks,

could we take the religion debate to private email, please?  thanks.

please turn off long signatures when posting to the list.

don't quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.

those of you using microsoft outlook take note in particular - i think
the outlook default is to include other peoples' entire messages
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please take a moment to delete unnecessary text before hitting the
send button.

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folks,

another one, from the same non-subscriber address.  again,
edited to cut out extraneous text...

-sherlyn

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subject: re:      gay christians
date: sat, 9 may 1998 16:36:16 -0400

hey...
    i really find this offensive...
    i guess i'm an oxymoron...
   nice to have a label now, at least.
  peace,
             sharoane
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from: dc boarder <dcboarder@aol.com>
><gay christians>
>if that isn't an oxymoron....i don't know what is.

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folks,

this was submitted from a non-subscriber address.  i've edited
it to cut out extraneous text.

-sherlyn


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date: sat, 9 may 1998 16:33:02 -0400

easiest? that's a toughie...
   the first one i ever learned, which takes re-tuning your guitar, was
center stage...
1,2,3 is pretty easy...only two chords...hehehe...
   peace,
      sharoane

from: shayna <sguarnieri@vmsvax.simmons.edu>
>okay, i'm getting a guitar for my bday(next week!) and my friend ralph
>has promised to teach me to play ig songs... who knows what the easiest
>song is to learn....?

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hey folks,

i found this on the newsgroup (alt.music.indigo-girls)...

-sherlyn

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national gay and lesbian task force supports indigo girls in the face of
homophobia;  amy ray speaks out

washington, dc---may 7, 1998--- the indigo girls keep singing in the
midst of yet another cancellation of one of their high school
performances.  what began as a generous gesture to bring art into high
schools has turned into an unfortunate lesson in intolerance and
homophobia. the national gay and lesbian task force has been in ongoing
contact with the indigo girls and activists in columbia, south carolina
during the course of this week long drama (a statement from indigo girl
amy ray is attached).

        "we are supporting the indigo girls as they battle ignorance and
intolerance, and we remain hopeful that the administrators responsible
for the cancellation of these shows will engage in sincere dialogue with
amy and emily and their local gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender
communities," stated task force executive director kerry lobel.  "we know
from amy and emily that they are disappointed in the actions of these
officials.  they also understand that this situation presents them with a
unique opportunity to educate students, teachers, and parents about the
vast limitations of homophobia," added lobel.

last wednesday in south carolina, irmo high school principal gerald witt
canceled a performance by the duo scheduled for today, saying through a
spokesperson it was because saliers and ray are lesbians. the next day,
the principal of germantown high school in tennessee called off a
scheduled performance, claiming it was because of profanity in their
songs¹ lyrics.  and tuesday, officials at another tennessee high school
nixed a show that was slated for yesterday.  in the face of these
insults, the grammy award winning duo is going on with the show.  today
they will perform in columbia, south carolina but off high school
grounds.  the show is free to high school students.

"we¹re very concerned for the gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender
students of these high schools.  we already know that sexual minority
youth face more violence and harassment than non-gay youth, now, thanks
to the actions of their principals, they may have more to look forward
to," said lobel.  "it¹s unconscionable that these administrators are more
concerned with appeasing a few intolerant parents than with the health
and safety of their students," she added.

        the indigo girls are deeply committed to social justice issues and
actively support a number of causes.  later this year they will be
performing a benefit show for the national gay and lesbian task force.
"we are grateful for amy and emily¹s leadership and courage," said lobel.
"they are exceptional role models for all students," she added.

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hey folks,

this comes from sonicnet (http://www.sonicnet.com)...

-sherlyn

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[ thu., may 7, 11:10 pm pdt ]

principals suspend 13 students after indigo girls protests

more than 100 students at schools in south carolina and tennessee walk
out of class defiantly.

contributing editor randy reiss reports:

a total of 13 students were suspended from school following class
walk-outs on wednesday and thursday in knoxville, tenn., and irmo, s.c.,
to protest recent cancellations of two separate in-school indigo girls
concerts. the concerts were canceled due to community protests over the
duo's homosexuality and stage show.

in protests staged wednesday at farragut high school in knoxville, about
100 students walked out of the building first during and then after
class hours to protest peacefully on the grounds of the school,
according to students. about 50 more students walked out of class at
irmo high school in irmo, s.c., on thursday to protest their principal's
decision to call off the school-assembly gig scheduled for that day.

the first walk-out in knoxville came in reaction to farragut principal
edwin hedgepeth's decision to cancel an indigo girls concert scheduled
for last wednesday at the school, citing reports that the group had used
the word "fucking" onstage while performing "shame on you" (realaudio
excerpt) at an april 13 concert at loganville, ga.'s loganville high
school.

kanishka biddanda, co-editor of the crow's nest, farragut high
school's newspaper, said that students held walk-outs twice during the
day, once when the indigo girls -- singer/guitarists amy ray and emily
saliers -- were supposed to perform at 12:30 p.m. and again after
school at 3:30 p.m.

ironically, this protest and canceled performance fell on the school's
"opposite day," a day when seniors at the school were encouraged to
cross dress. the week was also the school's "senior spirit week."

"we had actually planned the first protest the night before," biddanda
explained, "but principal hedgepeth got wind of it and sent word out to
teachers that anyone walking out of class would be suspended."

in spite of that warning, the first group of student-protesters walked
right past principal hedgepeth at 12:30 p.m. and gathered around the
flag pole in the front of the school, which has a total
student-population of 2,100. hedgepeth then warned students to return
to class or face suspension, according to biddanda, at which time all
but three students either returned to their lunch period or went back
to class. "[the three remaining students] then sat down on the curb,"
biddanda said, "and were warned once again to return to class."

biddanda also said that one of the three students, 16-year-old holly
alfrod, told hedgepeth that her parents were supportive of her actions.
"i had my radio with me and an indigo girls cd (shaming of the sun)
playing 'shame on you.' we were sitting on the sidewalk and the
principal asked us if we wanted to go back to class and i said 'thanks,
i'm just going to sit right here.' "

alfrod said she missed chemistry class and would begin her suspension
immediately. "i'm glad that it happened but i'm sorry that the show at
our school was canceled. i think it was rude of the principal to cancel
it on such short notice." calls to principal hedgepeth were not returned
by press time, but a source in his office who requested that she not be
named confirmed that the three students had been suspended for three
days.

"i wasn't thrilled that holly got suspended but it made me feel real
good that she did it," said her mother, jill wolmac, who added that she
felt students were deceived into believing the cancellation had nothing
to do with sexuality.

the second protest at the school occurred at 3:30 p.m. and was covered
extensively by the local media. this time it was reported that about 50
students gathered around the flag pole after school, many wearing
clothes with rainbows, a symbol of gay pride, and holding signs that
read "homophobia is a social disease" and "free speech is dead at fhs."
according to andrew wiseman, 18, a senior at farragut high and the
designer of a "free speech is dead at fhs" t-shirt, press were not
allowed on school property during the protest, so the students left
school grounds to approach the press. "a lot of people were really
supportive," wiseman said.

on thursday, students at irmo high school held a similar protest in
reaction to principal gerald witt's cancellation of the indigo girls
show originally scheduled for that day. the principal bowed to
complaints from parents and students about the folkie duo's sexuality
and the idea of staging a concert during a school assembly. in this
case, about 50 students walked out of class at 8:45 a.m. those students
were soon joined, however, by the entire student body of 1,800 after
someone pulled a fire alarm, according to buddy price, district 5 school
board spokesman.

"after all the students returned to class following the fire drill,"
price explained, "those same 50 students remained outside." when the 50
students were asked to return to class after a half-hour, price said that
12 of the students defiantly sat in a circle, refusing to move. so far,
10 of the 12 students have been given eight-day suspensions for
disrupting the educational process, price added.

"we have guidelines which state that we talk to the students before
taking action," he said, "and we are absolutely going by the book with
these students."

while the students in irmo were dealing with the protests and a free
indigo girls concert on thursday at the 3,000-capacity richland township
auditorium in columbia, s.c., held to make up for the show cancellation
at the nearby school, indigo girls supporters in knoxville were already
reminiscing over the grammy-winning duo's free-for-students gig at the
500-capacity barley & hops club on wednesday night.

"it was a really great show," wiseman said. "i didn't really know about
their music before the concert, but i recognized a lot of the songs."
both wiseman and biddanda said that the crowd and the indigo girls gave
a lot of energy, with the performers constantly thanking the crowd for
having them and the audience singing along to nearly every song.

for biddanda, the highlight of the show came when one student passed a
suspension slip to the stage. "amy [ray] read it aloud," he said.
"everyone laughed and then they signed it. that was really cool."

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hi folks!

i think i and some other folks have mentioned this group here before.
caedmon's call is one of the best bands i have heard, and one of my
favorites; they also happen to be a band of christians who sing, for the
most part, christian-oriented lyrics.

they were here in amarillo last night, so of course i was there.  knowing
that the two lead singers and guitarists of caedmon's are devout ig fans, i
wore my best swamp ophelia shirt.

after the concert, both singers, the bass player, the guy who has written a
lot of caedmon's songs, the opening act and the opening act's wife all went
nuts over my shirt.  it was cool.  derek (i would liken him to amy; very
talented, very intense, and very nice) was signing autographs, and he held
up the line for a while as he and i discussed ig.

also, cliff (he being the more emily-like; more sweet-voiced, and all that)
and i talked about the time caedmon's hung out with ig backstage at the ft.
worth concert last april.  cliff hadn't heard about the controversy with
all the cancellations (i guess being on the road does that to you), so i
told him all about it.

the really cool thing about caedmon's is that they are completely devoted
to their faith, but they make it their mission to not confine themselves
within the "christian bubble".  they do their stuff anywhere and for
anyone.

and, on top of all that, jane scarpantoni plays cello an a few songs from
caedmon's self-titled major-label debut.

anyway, check them out.  very cool, and, i think, true representatives of
what christians are called to be.

justin


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on the lifeblood site there is an article from "atlanta" magazine from
january 1990 called 'mood indigo' (by melissa harris).  the 'sunny' quote
comes after the writer describes a third attempt of ctf while having
technical problems on stage. amy has gotten angry and left the stage and
when she comes back everything comes together on the 3rd try:

(re-printed with out permission)

"thanks for being so patient," says the ever-cordial emily, sometimes
called sunny by amy and their friends.

it's a good/info-packed article, i recommend reading it to anyone who hasn't.


nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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for those who have said that amy and emily are christians...

they were both raised as christians, and i believe that emily has
publicly said that she has christian beliefs... however... less than one
year ago, amy publicly stated, "i am not a christian."

parts of a 1997 lilith fair interview with a&e, in which they both talk
about various subjects was on the lilith fair web site last year posted
as a few quicktime movies; i saved 2 of them. one mov file is amy
talking about her religious beliefs. [it is 1375kb unzipped; 1124 kb
zipped -- and requires quicktime for windows and qt movie player -- if
anyone would like me to send it as an email attachment.]

this is what i transcribed from the mov file:

amy ray:  "my spirituality really does exist in nature. and i don't...
i'm not a christian. so... umm... for me that's the extent of how i can
explain it. and, for both emily and i, it's a big part of our lives, and
we feel a stronger pull... you know, on us from unknown powers and we
try to follow it. and... umm... you know, what drives us probably more
than anything is our spiritual attachment to that."

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>is the westboro baptist church homepage...
http://www.godhatesfags.com.....
>pretty scary huh?

scary is not the word.  deranged, unreal, impossible.  sane people can
be like this?!  oh my dear god.

father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

jill, fully nauseated

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 00:12:56 pdt
reply-to:     jill certo <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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hmmmm, has this been raised...?
i know shawn colvin knows the girls...
and she has that song called 'sunny came home.'
any intent here, or purely coincidental?

hm thanks.
jill

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<< >is the westboro baptist church homepage...
http://www.godhatesfags.com.....
>pretty scary huh?

scary is not the word.  deranged, unreal, impossible.  sane people can
be like this?!  oh my dear god.

father, forgive them, for they know not what they do.

jill, fully nauseated
  >>

gotta add my nickel comment.....  wouldn't it be nice if we were all judged by
the content of our hearts instead of by who we choose to love???  but then
again, who's to say that we won't be, and the bigots will burn in eternal
hell.....  wouldn't it be nice????

tim

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on sat, 9 may 1998, bluevanila wrote:

> also, on a really scary note, i followed a link to a web page today that
> freaked me out pretty badly and thought you all would like to hear about
> considering the particular thread of the list the past couple of days...  it
> is the westboro baptist church homepage...  http://www.godhatesfags.com.....
> pretty scary huh?

the so-called "westboro county baptist church" is nothing more than fred
phelps and a bunch of his relatives and followers, who go round holding up
stupid banners and shouting slogans.   if you believe their website, they
recently picketed in baghdad to show support for the enemies of the
adulterer (and whatever else) clinton.   phelps has an entry in donna
kossy's "kooks museum", in the hall of hate.   look it up in yahoo.

mat

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i would like to say something, if i may. :)

if i didn't know indigo girls, amy, emily and i saw "a + e = ig"
on someone's car i would think it's math equation, a political
statement or something not at all related to music.  in a similar
fashion the "i'd rather be indigoing" doesn't necessarily convey
messages of "indigo girls" or their music to me.

just a thought.  i've gotten tons of compliments on my home-made
"i n d i g o   g i r l s" transparent sticker on my car.  i printed
the text in station ec, 235 point font on legal paper, landscape (sideways)
mode using corel word perfect suite 8, then i cut out the letters
individually and colored them with blue permanent marker then arranged
them on a strip of transparent packaging tape face up (so i could tape it
to the inside of my window).

it worked great!  and quite often i see people follow me and the point
to my ig sticker and turn to each other and talk in their car.  i've had
at least 10 people drive by me and honk and wave with big smiles as if
"look, we've found another one!" type attitude. hehe  it's great! :)

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okay, people...  i usually just lurk around here these days, but i've gotta
voice my humble opinion on this bumper sticker thing...  don't flame me, but
i'm going to be totally honest...  "i'd rather be indigoing," is lame, plain
and simple...  it follows the stale old "i'd rather be..." formula, and just
sounds plain dorky.  and what is indigoing?  it's like, "huh?!"...  and that
phrase is supposedly beating out our tried-and-true, easily recognizable, very
clever "a+e=ig?"  now that has originality...  i mean, it's been around, but
it has an origina and creative _sound_, you know?  i can't stand all of those,
"i'd rather be..." stickers that i see...  it's like, if you can't come up
with anything creative, just add whatever word you want to the end of that
phrase.

"a+e=ig" has been our mantra for years, and all indigo fans recognize it...
heck, i'm sure even amy and emily recognize it immediately, it's been on so
many signs at their concerts.  but yet it remains _ours_, the fans'...  it
wasn't the invention of some ad firm or whatever, but sprouted up from their
loyal fans.  and plus, it's just plain cute...   so if you feel the same as
me, be sure and vote...  i feel like i'm on a crusade now...  :)

catch y'all later...
~lisa

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this is slightly edited for the text sent to the baigl list.  but here is
some highlights of last evening's wand reception with amy, emily, &
winona laduke & her kids:


> mel wrote:
> >
> > okay baigls...
> >
> > where are all of your reviews about what happened at the wand
> > benefit?
> > . . . any close encounters? marriage proposals from amy? did you go out
> > afterward with a&e, hit all the grrly bars, get them stinkin drunk,
> > and take advantage of the situation?...... hmmmmm???  ;)

faye memolo wrote:

> mel, you are so close, it's scarey!  i just stopped in at home for a
> minute before having to go to work all day so i can't tell all the juicy
> details --
>
>                         but
>
> i'll give you highlights.  other baigls can fill you in as the day goes
> on.  susan won't be writing til tonight cause she's at some tribal
> ceremony or something.  but i want the world to know (or at least ig
> fans) that i love susan b. marine.
>
> other baigls will be checking in, i suspect!  i'm surprised there weren't
> any posts yet . . .
>
> highlight:  emily's considering a faye bumpersticker for her car!
>
> highlight:  guess who sat in with the baigl for a family portrait!
>
> highlight:  i'm sure you'll hear about which baigl emily ran up to and
> gave a big hug of welcome!
>
> highlight:  susan, you tell them about emily's baigl cheer:  "yay
> baigls!"
>
> highlight:  the hostess with the mostest, jenny korn absolutely shined!
>
> highlight:  the baigls said goodnight to amy ray on a boston street
> corner!
>
> and that's just the tip of the iceberg.
>
> it's really hard to write about last night because i don't want to seem
> like i'm gloating about having this opportunity.  i will say, if you ever
> get the opportunity to be at a nice small intimate reception with amy &
> emily, do it!  i mean, anyone can go to a concert . . .  it was the best
> birthday i ever had -- great company, great speeches, talks -- a magical
> night to be sure.

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rick (ever diligent rick) asked if i meant to post the entire article
where i found the 'sunny' nickname quote. actually, i hadn't, since it's
a long sucker - but what the hell...good info here. enjoy (and settle in,
as it's a long read). remember this was 8 years ago.......

(reprinted without permission - source for this copy, the lifeblood site)

january 1990 -- atlanta magazine

mood indigo
by melissa harris

amy ray and emily saliers have just plunged into their opening number at
birmingham's uab arena, and they're not even closer to fine.

after one false start on their catchy radio single "closer to fine," the
indigo girls are again struggling to harmonize over a rude crackling noise
invading their microphones. it may as well be the sound of amy's fuse
frying down to blast-off.

"fuck it!" hisses the brunette spark plug, flinging her pick into the air.
for the second time in as many minutes the music stops. with a glare that
could deflect sniper fire, amy thrusts her guitar into the hands of a
wide-eyed roadie and stomps out of sight.

awkward silence.

emily stands frozen, then quickly resurrects her composure and grins
sheepishly at the hushed audience. "hey, did ya'll here the joke about
the...?"

birmingham was just another stop along the road - literally and
figuratively - for the indigo girls. it was the next-to-last show of a
two-week tour plagued by equipment failures and bronchial infections.

in terms of the road atlanta's indigo girls have traveled in the last
year, from little five points bar band to gold-album prodigies, the
glitches in birmingham amount to less than a pothole.

after signing their first major-label contract with epic records in the
fall of 1988, the girls began touring with big- time bands such as athens'
r.e.m., neil young, and the violent femmes.

by last october, sales of their "indigo girls" gold album were hurdling
past 700,000 copies, and it was one of epic's hottest properties. the
acoustic twosome was playing to mostly sold-out crowds at its own headline
concerts. they had released two singles - "closer to fine" and "land of
canaan." they'd rsvp'd to invitations from tv's david letterman, pat
sajak, david sanborn and the today show. there were plans for spots on
saturday night live and the arsenio hall show, and the girls had recorded
"get together" for a wonder years episode.

all this and critical acclaim, too. save one all-out gouging by a rock
critic jon pareles of the new york times - after his paper had earlier
crowned the girls' lp "pop album of the week" - the pair has basked in
hosannas. spin magazine described them as having "voices that could shake
redwoods" and the boston globe pronounced theirs "the best debut album so
far this year."

not to mention grammy talk, only natural after a year that rocketed the
girls to no. 16, in october, on the rolling stone top 50 album chart.

but the fleeting scenes of a night in birmingham and the midnight road
back to atlanta are instructive: herein, a peek at what happens when the
big time beckons, a miniprimer on amy ray, 25, and emily saliers, 26, and
why two folk singers with acoustic guitars are one of the first bands in
years to effectively inform the musical world georgia does not end at the
athens city limits.

"we enjoyed playing for ya'll. good night - just kidding," says emily
saliers (pronounced sale-yers), the strawberry blonde indigo girls who,
with her more emotive partner, has just returned to the uab stage. wiring
snags addressed, the duo makes their third stab of the evening at "closer
to fine."

dressed in a peach pullover, white overalls and sneakers, emily delivers
the verses of "closer" in her elegant murky soprano. gymnastics are not
her style. she may bob up and down when she really gets going, but
generally, she moves onstage like the animal she is - a classically
trained guitarist. vertebrae aligned, wrists flexible.

it is amy - in ripped jeans, black t-shirt and steel-toed, spur heeled
cowboy boots - who delivers the visual fireworks at an indigo girls
concert. lots of feet shuffling, a la axl rose (lead singer of one of
amy's favorite heavy-metal bands, guns n' roses) and lots of neck-veins
popping and microphone lipping.

under spot-lights, her deep-set eyes dissolve into dark maelstroms beneath
heavy bangs. spin magazine has observed the "she storms across the stage
like no one ever told her acoustic guitars aren't 'axes.' "

but amy, still fuming, is noticeably immobile for the opening lines of
"closer." waiting to chime in on the chorus, she stares down at a spot on
the floor with the look that says you don't even want to know what's going
to happen if it doesn't work this time.

it works.

"thanks for being so patient," says the ever-cordial emily, sometimes
called sunny by amy and their friends.

"this has been the tour from hell as far as wires go," adds amy, whose
tempest has by now - typically - blown over like a fierce but brief summer
shower.

occasional tantrums notwithstanding, the indigo girls are rare among
musical acts today in that their work overshadows their personalities.
they have attracted many of their fans, in the last year anyway, through a
vinyl disc and its intensely personal, yet universal, messages.

as for self-promotion, the girls stay at half-mast. they do not sport buzz
cuts or skimpy outfits. they favor blue jeans and t-shirts and the sort of
fashionably earnest save-the-whales pitches we've come to expect from
serious musicians.

the back cover of their gold album stumps for greenpeace, coalition for
the homeless, amnesty international and people for the ethical treatment
of animals. on this fall's south-eastern tour, they were asking
pro-choicers to sign a petition being circulated by a student group.

but social concerns are practically the only traits the girls share.

emily meets newcomers with a polite lifting of the eyes. her voice is
raspy and quiet, her body language unassuming. as one friend notes, "emily
is a very rich person inside, and she is certainly not going to show that
off."

amy, on the other hand, marches right up and sticks out her hand. her
speaking voice has that throaty, raucous, honking quality you associate
with a bad cold. her world seems to consist of two colors, black and
white, and her moods of two extremes, happily bubbling or dramatically
boiling. (she once fractured a bone in her hand by slamming her fist into
a door.)

"amy's first response is emotional, and then she thinks things through,"
says her manger, russell carter.

as for their acclaimed music, critics have a hard time nailing down
exactly what it is, describing their music as folk, folk-rock, acoustic
pop, acoustic folk-rock and so on. the girls prefer the term - if you must
- acoustic rock.

it's not hard to read into their popularity a nostalgia for the '60s and
'70s or a social agenda for the '80s and '90s, but the girls come pretty
close to being honest-to-god originals.

the hedge at the "folk singer," label, but only three songs on "indigo
girls" could be credited with any kind of foot tapability - "closer to
fine" (their first radio single), "land of canaan" (their second radio
single) and "tried to be true" (in which they front r.e.m.).

few would argue that cheerful rockers have been the girls' bread and
butter. fans come to their concerts not to party but to commune.

ironically, the girls' seriousness is the sole element critics
consistently harp on, smirking at their brand of "new american sincerity."
and there's no denying they occasionally lose self control, particularly
on a couple of unforgivable cringers such as "feeding the cancer of my
intellect" and the preachy "your actions will follow you full circle
round."

emily, the lead guitarist who thanks joni mitchell "for the inspiration"
on the album notes, is the balladeer - and voice of reason - for the two.

her tunes and lyrics, like her personality, tend toward the quietly
thoughtful and complex. her images (posters of rasputin, someone of the
bathroom floor doing cocaine), hearken back to real experiences.

"we always joke that my songs are little ditties," she laughs.

amy's compositions, however, erupt from the gut and gun unashamedly
for same.

in "kid fears," hailed by some critics as the album's most powerful
moment, her high-octane alto growls and bellows in clever metaphors about
idealism sold for a price. ("skipping stones/we know the price now/any sin
will do./how much further if you can spin/how much further if you are
smooth.")

amy, after all, is the person who wrote "secure yourself," a song about
the spiritual journey into heaven, after her cat died.

and with lyrics like these from "blood and fire," "i'm looking for someone
who can take as much as i give/give back as much as i need/and still have
the will to live," a singer had best have her sincerity fully intact.

so much for the lifestyles of the rich and famous.

amy and emily are back at the motel near the uab arena, picking up for the
late-night haul back to atlanta. rented as a preshow crash pad, the room
features yellow concrete-block walls and fungicidally green carpet.

"how do you like these plush accommodations beth [stuebenbord, the girls'
road manager] lined up for us?" laughs amy, adding that typically they've
managed better.

emily staggers from the room under the weight of a gaping garment bag,
known on the inside joke circuits as "baby shamu."

"shamu done split a side," she ad libs, hoisting the bag onto the red ford
rental van that has carried the girls for two weeks.

in the rear seat of the van are the indigo girls' two technicians for this
tour: a sound engineer and a guitar technician. beth, the road manager
whom the girls like to call bunny, shares a seat with emily.

amy is at the wheel when the van pulls onto i-20 east. never mind that she
has just completed an emotionally draining two-hour performance and it is
near 1 a.m. atlanta time. or that she and emily have been on the road for
seven months.

amy wants to drive. amy usually drives.

"i feel like this is probably the hardest year of my life," announces
emily, volunteering for the first time that she is strictly a homebody at
heart.

"sometimes i feel like it's not a real life to be moving from town to town
every day. part of real life is being in a situation where you go through
a daily routine. it's very real and constant and not 1,000 people a night
feeding your ego."

amy, as usual, sees it differently.

"i actually get restless if i'm home for more than like a month," she
explains. "this has been for me, for personal reasons, a easier year than
i'm used to. but i judge everything on an emotional level - how happy i
am. not like where i am and what i'm doing. i do look forward to my time
off though."

time off is still a distant fantasy.

tomorrow night in macon they finish their southeastern tour. their
schedule for the next five weeks includes two tv appearances in new york,
a sold-out aids benefit in at the fox in atlanta, a 25-day tour in europe,
the possibility of more tv in new york and l.a., then a stint in the
recording studio in february for their next album.

as their manager-lawyer, russell carter, puts it, "when you have a hit
record, you just grab the reins and hold on and try to keep it from
getting out of control."

from where the indigo girls sit tonight, a couple of free days in atlanta
are looking fine.

for all their divergent ways and means, the indigo girls come from
strikingly similar beginnings. and for all their dark lyrical intensity,
they come from strikingly carefree beginnings.

each is one of four children from tightly knit, high-achieving families in
suburban decatur. they grew up a few miles apart, both attending laurel
ridge elementary school, shamrock high school and, eventually, emory
university.

emily is the second-oldest of four girls. the sole redhead among three
blondes, she was told as a child that her red hair came from her
grandfather red saliers, a jazz musician in new york in the 1920s.

her father, don saliers, is an easygoing, soft-spoken man. in a tweed
jacket, reading glasses dangling from one hand, he couldn't look more like
a college professor - which he is - if he tried. an ordained methodist
minister, he teaches theology at emory university. he is also a composer,
pianist and organist.

his wife, jane saliers, an articulate woman made even more so by caution
("emily told us not to say anything mean"), also looks her part: a
children's librarian at the public library on ponce de leon avenue. in a
high-necked blouse and full skirt, she wears little makeup and her thick
brown hair is cropped into a short, simple style.

the priorities of the saliers are no mystery. books and sheet music are
stacked everywhere. in the corner of the den is a grand piano.

music is serious business in this household.

one of emily's sisters is studying classical opera with a coach from the
metropolitan opera in new york. another assists the choir director at her
college, and the third is a singer. emily's own musical penchant hardly
came as a surprise.

as a 9-year-old in new haven, conn., where don saliers taught at yale, she
had come to her mother with and advertisement for guitar classes at the
ymca. a musical cousin helped her pick out a $20 guitar.

the memory tickles her mother. "in emily's guitar class, the teacher was
always cocking his head and looking around to see who that was who sounded
so different."

a few years later, growing up in atlanta, emily studied with a classical
guitarist who told her parents, "look, just let her play the way she wants
to."

emily was writing songs in grammar school - message oriented music about
living, laughing, loving and pollution, neatly foreshadowing the
issue-affiliated indigo girls.

for the introspective emily, although always a good student and fairly
involved, high school was "always painful - no matter what." most of her
pals were from the school chorus, she recalls, "and we were never
considered cool.

"there weren't very many people with whom i had a special bond or
relationship. i was still scratching at who i was."

most of the attention she received in high school was for music, drama and
good grades. her senior year the teachers voted her a senior superlative
and her classmates, most talented.

but for the most part, she looked to her family for acceptance.

"most of our daughters were always a little on the outside, not the
rah-rah girls," says jane saliers. emily's father adds, "they found
themselves looking beyond high school at a fairly early time."

meanwhile, in the ordinary brick home across the street from shamrock high
school, amy ray - in typical amy ray fashion - had a few plans brewing of
her own.

third among four kids, amy was born in atlanta in april 1964 to frances
and larry ray. her father is a radiologist and president of the medical
staff at georgia baptist hospital, and her mother is a homemaker.

like the saliers, the rays begat go-getters. one of amy's sisters is a
resident in the hospitals affiliated with emory university's school of
medicine, her younger brother is in emory med school, and anther sister,
after a few years of molecular biology, dropped medicine to run her own
"wearable art" clothing store in durham, n.c.

a pistol, amy ray was writing her own plays by second grade. because she
would rush through classroom assignments in order to sit and socialize
before the bell, she picked up the nickname "rush ray" in elementary
school, a name that still applies.

amy learned the flute and, about age 12, in an ironic parallel, she heard
the call of the ywca guitar class.

as a high schooler, with an amplifier her parents helped buy, amy also
played at a few restaurants, like big al's, a short-order joint in
decatur, and dante's down the hatch. she also performed in the family's
methodist church.

she and emily saliers had been acquaintances for years, friendly but never
running in the same circles. amy, in fact, despised emily in grade school,
jealous of her more advanced musical abilities. they didn't become a
musical duo on any routine basis until late in high school.

unlike emily, the aggressive amy was a natural at high school survival.
elected president of her 10th and 11th  grade classes, she ran cross
country and track, played flute in the marching band, shot photos for the
yearbook, sang in the concert choir. her senior class voted her best
leader. like emily, she was a senior superlative.

"she's always had a tremendous amount of energy. she is a worker," her
mother says. "she's always told us there are other people more musically
talented than she is, but that she wants to do this more than other
people."

nevertheless, the amy ray who graduated from shamrock high school in 1982
was not the amy ray of today, the bellowing dynamo with a tattoo on her
left forearm.

her sister susan recalls going to see amy play at houlihan's at lennox
square. "it was really pretty awful. she was so shy. she sat down to play
and didn't look up. her hair was falling in her face and she played lots
of slow ballads like jim croce. people would hardly listen to her because
there was no personality there."

while amy's parents indulged her ambition, they openly feared she was
asking for heartbreak.

"we didn't push her into this, that's for sure," says larry ray. i told
her there are 150 million people out there who think they can sing and
write songs. i have no connections and no way to help you other than
encouragement, and i don't think you should count on this."

"she didn't listen to any of it."

"we always did things to make ourselves feel better about out music," says
amy, explaining, at 80 mph in the wee hours of the morning, how the indigo
girls came to be where they are. and why there making it when those 150
million other wanna- bees are not.

to have amy at the wheel with foot to the floor for this topic is fitting.
she has commandeered the indigo girls in much the same fashion. although
both girls wanted to be musicians, it was doubtless amy's
singlemindedness, plus some perceptive navigating, that have largely kept
them on track.

"amy knew how to make decisions back when we were on our own," emily says.
"like she knew we needed to start playing rock clubs instead of folk clubs
because people in rock clubs tend to be more openminded to different kinds
of music. i had no idea what steps to take."

amy's and emily's lives have been laced erratically together for almost 15
years, but it was not until about 1980, when they began playing together
on a regular basis, that the weave was pulled tight.

that year, under the name saliers and ray, they decided to try their hand
at a buckhead bar called good ol' days.

their career was interrupted when emily left for h. sophie newcomb college
at tulane in new orleans in 1981. amy left for vanderbilt the next year.
by 1983 both were back at emory, where their musical skills were put to
use in student theater productions. ("strange fire," one song they
composed for a student play, became the name of an early independently
handled album.)

back in atlanta they named themselves indigo girls. it means nothing. amy
simply pulled it out of the dictionary and haphazardly settled on the word
"indigo," and that was the end of that.

the indigo girls are a classic overnight success: they labored like plow
horses for years and then happened to be in the right place at the right
time.

both graduated from emory, saliers as a phi beta kappa. amy was a good
student, but as her sister says, "went to college on the side" while
chasing stardom in the bars at night.

by this time their faces were familiar to atlanta club-goers. on almost
any given night, the indigo girls were serenading beer-drinkers somewhere.
but they came to be associated with three local nightclubs: the dugout
(now closed) and trackside tavern in decatur and the little five points
pub, where they were fixtures until epic duties pulled them away. they
drew an ardent following, some of the faithful coming to listen - no lie -
two and three nights a week.

in 1985 they put out a single, "crazy game," and then an ep, "the indigo
girls," the next year. "strange fire," a bare bones lp recorded
independently in an athens studio, came out in 1987. it was produced as a
demo, but the girls - with a steady eye to the bigger and the better - had
it pressed into vinyl and sold approximately 5,000 copies.

in addition to performing locally, the indigo girls had begun playing in
southeastern college towns and were getting airplay on campus radio
stations with "strange fire."

by the time epic records came calling, the indigo girls were a kit that
required very little assembly. they had been supporting themselves as
professional musicians - playing their own music, not cover tunes - for
about four years. they already had a sizable regional following of college
students and a backlog of their own material.

"they were at a point where they didn't need anything from anybody," notes
amy's friend cooper seay, a member of the atlanta band the ellen james
society.

all they needed was a ticket.

still, the ratio of bands to actual record deals probably makes larry
ray's "150 million" odds seem optimistic. and the percentage of bands that
sell 700,000 right out of the chute? well, don't give up your day job.

even the girls can't fully explain why them. "i don't know. it's like
right time, right place sometimes," shrugs amy. "it's luck."

right on all three counts. the right place was atlanta, because it is
barely 90 minutes from athens, where at that right time, most of the major
labels in america were trying to woo a band called r.e.m. luck, because
epic's liaison decided to drop by the little five points pub and catch
another act he'd been hearing about.

"the day after i heard emily and amy play i couldn't get them out of my
mind," recalls roger klein, epic's director of artists and repertoire. "i
went back the next night, talked to them after the show, and then wanted
to sign them to the company. the didn't seem like they were looking for a
record deal."

says amy, who had already reserved studio time for their next independent
album, "we were kinda laughing about the idea of a major label."

they stopped laughing two weeks later, when they found themselves talking
contacts over meat loaf at the buckhead diner with klein and an epic vice
president.

"we were scared," remarks emily.

"i was excited, and then i was depressed for weeks," adds amy, who had
pushed for it all along and then dug in her heels at the last minute.

"but i got over it," she chuckles.

"then our fans in atlanta started freaking out," says emily. "we were all
weeping at the pub about how it's not going to be the same. it was sweet
and sour."

also at that right time, 1988, an artist named tracy chapman had cleaned
house at the grammy awards, selling millions of records and giving the
music industry a little attitude adjustment about the profitability of
female folk singers.

although klein insists that tracy chapman-ia had nothing to do with it
("we didn't go down there looking for an act to compete with tracy
chapman. they are not like tracy chapman anyway"), it definitely didn't
count against them.

now has the girls' lucky association with r.e.m., the athens based rock
band that could probably sell a million records just by singing in the
shower.

the girls hooked up with michael stipe, r.e.m.'s enigmatic lead singer,
after he saw one of their performances at the uptown lounge in athens and
asked them to write a song with him. then they performed with stipe at an
outdoor festival in athens.

"that was really cool," says emily. "then we just hung out with him and
learned a bunch of songs and were friends with him."

the girls' ties to r.e.m. are strong: they've shared a record producer and
toured as a warm-up band with r.e.m., and members of r.e.m. sang on the
girl's album.

when "indigo girls" passed the 500,000 retail mark, an extra gold album
was delivered to athens.

amy wheels the red rental van into the fluorescent-lit parking lot of a
starvin' marvin in leeds, ala., the group having loudly booed the
environmentally evil exxon station across the street.

while amy pumps gas, emily, a connoisseur of minimart cuisine, peruses the
store's display of cheese-food sandwiches and beef jerky.

no one gives them a second glance.

amy buys a copy of auto trader magazine, the first and only indication
that this is not just a vanload or ragamuffins pooling their resources for
a $25 road trip.

she wants to buy a vintage corvette, which strikes some of her friends as
comedically un-amy. she now owns a blue toyota van and lives in an army
barracks-style apartment in decatur with plastic lawn animals in the yard.
her decor is a mish-mash of goodwill-quality furniture, rock posters and
junky memorabilia. she has tie-dyed sheets for living room curtains and
says the thought of ever moving "breaks my heart."

emily has bought a house not far from her parents, "complete with leaky
roof and all," her father moans.

be not fooled by their beggars' rags.

"the indigo girls made money from day one on the first tour since their
record came out," says manager russell carter.

with two voices, five or six guitars, a road manager and two roadies, the
girls' touring overhead is low. unlike many bands willing to go in the
hole in return for exposure, the girls make money on the road.

now to mention selling close to a million records with a contract weighted
toward royalties instead of advances. "record companies are happy to break
an act by their third record," says carter, "so in that respect we're way
ahead of the game."

but carter dodges the specifics. "nobody's a millionaire. it's nothing
that dramatic or even close to it. but they're making a lot of money, more
than they ever dreamed of , i think."

as recently as two years ago, amy and her ex-roommate michelle malone, who
now has a record deal with arista, were busking for rent money at the
atlanta arts festival in piedmont park. "that was just a slow time where
neither or us was working a lot," she explains. "emily and i were making
decent money at the pub."

but aside from amy's corvette tastes, their friends have seen no
indication that the girls' take has been elevated from "decent."

"i can tell you money is the last thing they're concerned about in terms
of their career," says carter. "their one inclination is to give it away
by doing benefits. ...i think they're a little intimidated by the fact
that they're making a lot of money."

the talk has turned oddly confessional in the darkened van. the indigo
girls are saying that they are obsessed with the idea of death.

"when i go to sleep...i think about, well, death bothers me a lot, so that
a lot of times i have problems falling asleep. i'm kinda obsessed with
it," says amy.

she doesn't know why, exactly. when amy was 15, a friend was hit and
killed by a train. another close friend died in a motorcycle accident in
college. but those two deaths only fed her natural preoccupation.

"me too," emily pipes up. "i remember lying in bed in high school and
thinking that when you die you're never coming back - never, ever, ever,
ever, ever."

"that's why we sing together," amy jokes.

but not really.

it is remarkable that the indigo girls are willing to reveal this kid fear
(one that is, after all, pretty universal) to a reporter. mainly because
of the "too serious" complaint that has haunted their press. and
especially because of the bludgeoning they took from critic jon pareles.
following their show at new york's town hall last year, he blasted them as
the "new standard- bearers" of "earnest pretentiousness." and that was one
of his kinder comments.

"that hurt our feelings worse than anything," says amy.

"because he attacked us like right in the heart of what we feel we aren't
when he called us pretentious," continues emily. "he called me verbose and
way too wordy, and he said amy danced with self-congratulatory gestures."

amy laughs happily as if discovering some nifty irony about herself. "he's
right about that!"

while unusually vehement for the times, pareles' review bears mentioning
as the lone slam in a red-banner year.

the girls played madison square garden with r.e.m. at the omni they got a
standing ovation as r.e.m.'s warm-up band. at their first-ever denver
show, in the red rocks amphitheater, half the crowd stood and cheered
simply because the girls walked onto the stage.

even a show with all the makings of a disaster at the roxy in los angeles
became a triumph. it was arranged as the girls' formal debut before the
west coast music industry, and the audience was filled with record company
brass and press. a rumor was circulating that joni mitchell was coming.
but when amy stepped up to the microphone just a few songs into the show,
the mike delivered her a nasty shock. one or two numbers later, her guitar
shocked her badly enough to produce burn marks on her fingers. she threw
the guitar off and quickly exited the stage. the show was canceled and
everyone in the audience was offered free tickets to the next night's
show. some of them came back; no one complained or asked for a refund,
says epic's roger klein. the girls handed out gag hand-buzzers to those
who returned. the critics gushed.

it is near 4 a.m. and the critics are asleep. the atlanta skyline has just
risen up in the windshield of the indigo girls' red rental van.

"i like life now," states amy ray, laughing, as usual, in a kind of
childlike self-wonderment.

"i miss playing atlanta," adds emily. "i miss the pub a lot. i miss having
people treat up like we're not any bigger or better than we are."

bunny, stirring from her slumber, begins reeling off the girls' to-do list
for tomorrow - or rather, today.

amy eases down from 80 mph.

emily emits a long sigh.

"i can't believe we're home. it is so weird. i'm so happy."

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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i've topped the 300 mark.  as of yesterday i've made more than
300 cdr's for people on the list.  that equates out to 300 * 20
minutes each, or 6,000 minutes = 100 hours.  interesting, yes? :)

who says i'm not generous? :)

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since this list seems to be more "pro amy" than emily ..and i mean that
simply in terms of number of fans..( i , personally am a emily person
myself)..i have a question:

the latest article described amy as..and i quote:


> "amy's first response is emotional, and then she thinks things through,"
> says her manger, russell carter.
>
now i read this to mean she reacts first and then , thinks thing
thru..ya get what the gut has to say,the real feeling , the real core
and essence of amy, the truth,and then you get  the "practicle"  amy....

is this what attracts you to her..her raw core..or is it something
else..

just wondering

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since this list seems to be more "pro amy" than emily ..and i mean that
simply in terms of number of fans..( i , personally am a emily person myself)..i
have a question:

<p>the latest article described amy as..and i quote:
<br> 
<blockquote type=cite>
<pre>"amy's first response is emotional, and then she thinks things through,"
says her manger, russell carter.</pre>
</blockquote>
now i read this to mean she reacts first and then , thinks thing thru..ya
get what the gut has to say,the real feeling , the real core and essence
of amy, the truth,and then you get  the "practicle"  amy....
<br>is this what attracts you to her..her raw core..or is it something
else..

<p>just wondering</html>

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 11:06:15 -0400
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i have a friend who is gay and christian.. and her big thing is that all
sins are equal.  if the guy in the 3rd row is cheating on his wife and
considers himself a christian.. then why can't she.  anyways.. just adding
my imput.  i tend to agree with it being an oxymoron..  but hey!

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hey,

here's another article from sonicnet about the cancellations of ig
concerts:

indigo girls stand tall in the face of prejudice
students protesting the cancellation of indigo girls concert.
staff writer chris nelson writes:

you know, i never felt like i owed amy ray and emily saliers --
popularly known as the indigo girls -- before last week. i suppose
they've made some folks happy with the eight albums they've released in
the last decade or so, and for that i can see why, in a broad sense, i
and others might give them a nod.

but i was never one of the ones whose guts were stirred by their folky
harmonies. to be sure, the band is pleasant enough to listen to, but it
never put the fire in my belly.

they did stir the coals up over the past two weeks, however, when the
georgia duo announced a mini-tour of high schools, only to find several
of the shows canceled by school authorities fretful over several things,
depending on whom you ask.

the first school to turn tail and flee was irmo high in irmo, s.c.
principal gerald witt axed the event after parents complained about the
indigos' open homosexuality, although some said they were upset about
hosting a concert during a school-hours assembly.

by the time that principals ernest chism and edwin hedgepeth (of
tennessee's germantown and farragut high schools, respectively) bowed
out of their agreements with the group, the administrators had taken to
fear of the f-word to justify their cancellations.

as it turns out, when the indigo girls played an april show at
loganville high in georgia, they sang "shame on you" (realaudio
excerpt), a song that features the foul word. (the specific verse reads,
"me and jesus, we're of the same heart/ the only thing that keeps us
distant is that i keep fucking up.") their performance of that song
generated a local post-concert furor, according to loganville head ken
prichard.

not that the students at farragut are buying into the cursing defense.
"a lot of people here think the only reason this was canceled was
because they're lesbians," farragut teacher and concert organizer jeff
callahan told sonicnet music news.

but the queen mother of dirty terms gave the principals an out from what
had become -- since the irmo cancellation -- a controversial subject,
and they stretched to take it. they nixed their chance for a rare
performance -- which was to be followed by a question-and-answer session
with the singers -- despite assurances from the indigos' manager that
they wouldn't perform the offending song. hedgepeth booted the group
even after he'd spoken with principal doug crosier of tennessee's
franklin high school, who assured him that the show went off at his
school sans cursing.

censorship watchdogs will note that this same concern over live
performance may help pass a michigan law that would allow towns to apply
a "harmful to minors" designation to concerts. the measure's saving
grace only comes to light in comparison with the indigo girls
cancellations -- the "harmful to minors" tag can't be applied for the
sexuality of the artist or the use of curse words, and the provision
makes exceptions for work that has "serious literary, artistic,
political or scientific value for minors." should it pass, however, the
michigan bill only applies to traditional concerts, not school
assemblies.

fortunately for the kids of south carolina and tennessee, the indigo
girls quickly arranged for public concerts with free admission for
high-schoolers in the towns where their shows were bagged.

and that's what i feel like i owe the indigos for -- for standing up to
make this tour happen, despite the opposition that has seemed to creep
up at nearly every turn. in speaking up for themselves, they spoke up
for everyone who's concerned about free speech (and ongoing attempts to
censor it), as did the high-school students who protested the
cancellation. that's pretty punk-rock, even if their music isn't.

some might say the duo's offer to yank "shame on you" from their set was
a concession. not me. you tailor your message for the audience. i think
the girls could have made an impact on the students without saying
"fuck," which i'm sure the kids hear often enough from one another.

of course, by showing their resolve to play for the kids no matter what
the venue, the indigo girls offered the students something more valuable
than any performance or q&a -- an example of courageousness, of the
determination to act on their convictions. it's too bad that the kids
couldn't find the same in their school leaders, who chose instead to
pander to a narrow-minded minority.

[ sun., may 10, 1:33 am pdt ]

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it's nice to see the writer acknowledge the integrity, courage and
strength of the girls.  something we already know and love about them!
:)

claudine

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to the tune of it's alright:-)
( so it's sunday + i had some time on my hands...)
peace all.. kim

it's alright out in tennessee
kids are full o' fight mixed with growin' pains
principals have slim explainations,
but it's alright
taught it's alright if you hate that way
hate them cause they're differnt,
hate them cause they're gay
truth of the matter's burning hot all day,
so it's alright
look at the protest lines
arranged to support the band
then look at the bigoted folk out like a plague who say "let's ban"
and if there's one thing to learn
it's hate will make most youth understand
that we're still on the search
past the hatreds of church
and some are fighting the best they can
so it's alright
and it's alright that they say it's the "cuss"
they got their heads up their rumps while they make their fuss
it's just easier blinded than to let go and trust
and it's alright
when we get some national press some things get clearer
trust in the youth; their hearts grow nearer
past generations fought hard and ended up here
and it's alright
i look at my lifetime and now at the times at hand
and look at the fires of hatred still burning in the ignorant
who take their stand
you know we're small in a way but you know we're strong
and youth who thirst will reach out for that water
they'll lap it up and will carry truth on
make it alright
yeah it's alright
and it's alright hate makes us afraid
concert plans in pieces plans mislaid
it's just the only way, just the only way, just the only way
to bring old hatreds to the light of day
and it's alright

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sorry this review is a little late, but i've been gone all weekend and
haven't had time to write one...

alright, i know this is going to be long...but i just have to brag about
this concert.  it rocked!!!!  it was incredible.  this is the concert
that was resceduled from the one that was canceled at irmo high school.
first of all, i'd just like to say how proud i was of all the high
school students.  there were soooo many there for one thing.  for
another thing, many of them wore rainbow ribbons, or had even made
shirts that said "i love lesbians", with a rainbow coloured heart.  i
was so proud!

ok...it started off incredibly.  i got there early (of course) and there
were already news cameras and several people there.  there were also
several men who were holding signs and protesting homosexuality.  one
sign said "parents, save your children from government schools"  and one
that said "crusade against homosexuality...find god" (or something like
that) and one huge sign that said "sodomy is a sin"  (*sigh*)

ok...before the concert:  i was waiting for my friend to show up and was
just mingling...then at about 3:30, sulli came out and started talking
pictures of people.  so, i said "hey sulli" as she walked by and she
stopped and she and i chatted for a while!  then, it happened.  =)  amy
herself came out front and started taking pictures of people and the
protestors.  she walked over to one of the men who was holding the
sodomy sign and he began yelling about how homosexuality is wrong.   he
"quoted" a bible verse at amy, saying "homosexuality is wrong?"  to
which amy replied "does god actually say that?  does he actually use
that term?"  and then....amy turned to me (i was standing right beside
her) and we start talking about the bible and how if he is going to
quote the bible he should have one with him to prove it.  it was pretty
funny....amy was asking everybody around "do you happen to have a
bible?"  and she kept laughing and smiling at me every time the man said
something ridiculous.  by the way, a local news station was taping part
of this conversation between me, amy, and the guy...so i made sure to
tape the news that night and was soooo excited when they showed amy and
the man and i was standing right next to amy talking to her!  =)
the concert, like i said was awesome.  i didn't get a setlist (i asked
sulli afterwards for one, but she said she was in a hurry)  so i don't
know all the songs they sang.  i'll try to remember the highlights
though...
they started out with it's alright, and when they got to the line "hate
me cause i'm gay..." everybody screamed and cheered really loud, and
some of the kids help up signs with rainbows and pink triangles. =)
at the end of scooter boys was the most incredible stream of
consciousness.  she was obviously referring to the whole cancellation
and irmo saga.  the soc went something like this:
"when i go to sleep tonight, cause i sleep too....
when i dream tonight, cause i dream too....
when i pray tonight, cause i pray too.... (she kinda gave a tiny laugh
and everyone cheered)
you can hate me..you can hate me.....but i can still love you"

i don't think i've ever heard an audience that small cheer as loud as
they did after that!  amy is just brilliant...
one thing that was cute...several kids yelled for galileo and amy said
"we're gonna sing galileo in a minute, but you have to suffer through
the rest first..."
the encore rocked too.  they sang (i'm sure of the correct title) "i
might just check you out" with danielle and the tantrums.  it was
incredible...really rocking..the whole audience was dancing and hearing
amy sing the verses....."i might just check you out..." and "everybody
sing ahh-ahh..."  it was great! =)

after the concert:  i have to brag just a little more....  afterwards,
we went to wait for them to come out to their busses.  the security
guards, however, closed the gate to keep us out.  however, after amy
came out and got into a red pick up truck, a few of us got smart and
decided to go over to the other side of the gate where it was still
open--the only place they could come out.  so, when they got there, they
stopped and amy actually rolled down her window and talked us.  she
signed all our ticket stubs, and i shook her hand again! =)
well, that about concludes my looooong review.  i'm going to try to
remember the setlist and if anyone has it, please tell me.  also, if
anyone happened to bootleg this concert or the one in greenville a week
before, please tell me, since i was at this one too and would love a
copy of either of them.
well, everyone take care and have a happy indigo day.  =)

sharon  (who is now in amy withdrawl....)

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i would like to send out a plee for two things that i am very much
longing for...
blue food and colour me grey.  if anyone has these, preferably a real
copy so that it isn't a 5th generation copy or something, and would be
willing to tape it for me, please please please tell me.  i'd also
rather send money for blank tape and postage and stuff rather than
having to mail blank tapes and then have them mailed back....i would
offer to trade for them, but i doubt i have anything anyone would want
to trade for...=)
if anyone is willing to do this, please let me know.
thanks so much,
sharon

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in a message dated 98-05-10 11:51:36 edt, pooh40@mc.net writes:

<< is this what attracts you to her..her raw core..or is it something
else.. >>
thats absolutly what attracts me to her, her emotion, how she just throws
herself out there for everyone, it's definetly her trueness.
val

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i think this might be part of it...but i think it's more than that, too,
that attracts me more to amy than emily.  amy seems more "alive"
onstage...more outgoing and she always seems (to me anyhow) to have more
energy and enjoy "dancing" across the stage.  i also hate to admit it,
but i think i'm also more attracted to amy because i find her to be
really really good looking!  =)  plus, i just love the deepness and
raspyness of her voice.
don't get me wrong, i love emily.  and i love her guitar playing ability
that probably outshines that of amy.  however, i am just in love with
amy's vibrance and persona.

sharon

pooh wrote:

>  since this list seems to be more "pro amy" than emily ..and i mean
> that simply in terms of number of fans..( i , personally am a emily
> person myself)..i have a question:
>
> the latest article described amy as..and i quote:
>
>
>> "amy's first response is emotional, and then she thinks things through,"
>> says her manger, russell carter.
>>
> now i read this to mean she reacts first and then , thinks thing
> thru..ya get what the gut has to say,the real feeling , the real core
> and essence of amy, the truth,and then you get  the "practicle"
> amy....
> is this what attracts you to her..her raw core..or is it something
> else..
>
> just wondering

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i think this might be part of it...but i think it's more than that, too,
that attracts me more to amy than emily.  amy seems more "alive" onstage...more
outgoing and she always seems (to me anyhow) to have more energy and enjoy
"dancing" across the stage.  i also hate to admit it, but i think
i'm also more attracted to amy because i find her to be really really good
looking!  =)  plus, i just love the deepness and raspyness of
her voice.
<br>don't get me wrong, i love emily.  and i love her guitar playing
ability that probably outshines that of amy.  however, i am just in
love with amy's vibrance and persona.

<p>sharon

<p>pooh wrote:
<blockquote type=cite> since this list seems to be more "pro amy"
than emily ..and i mean that simply in terms of number of fans..( i , personally
am a emily person myself)..i have a question:

<p>the latest article described amy as..and i quote:
<br> 
<blockquote type=cite>
<pre>"amy's first response is emotional, and then she thinks things through,"
says her manger, russell carter.</pre>
</blockquote>
now i read this to mean she reacts first and then , thinks thing thru..ya
get what the gut has to say,the real feeling , the real core and essence
of amy, the truth,and then you get  the "practicle"  amy....
<br>is this what attracts you to her..her raw core..or is it something
else..

<p>just wondering</blockquote>
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this is cute..kinda interesting

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this is kinda funny...thought i would send it out for y'all today.
kelly

>> subject: make a wish
>> >
>> >here goes:
>> >
>> >if you really follow the directions, you'll be floored by the
>> results.
>> >
>> >it's a little spooky.

>> >***make a wish before you start the quiz***
>> >
>> >
>> >warning! do take the quiz
>> >as you read, there are only 5 questions, and if
>> >you scan all the
>> >way to the end before finishing you won't get the
>> >honest results. don't cheat. scroll
>> >slowly and do each exercise. don't look ahead.
>> >
>> >get pencil and paper and
>> >write it down. you will need it at the end.
>> >
>> >this is an honest quiz,that will tell you about your true self.
>> >please take it seriously........
>> >
>> >enjoy!
>> >********************************************************
>> >
>> >chapter i :
>> >
>> >arrange the following 5 animals according to your preference:
>> > cow
>> > tiger
>> > sheep
>> > horse
>> > monkey
>> >
>> >
>> >**************************************************
>> >
>> >chapter ii :
>> > write one word to describe each of the following:
>> >
>> > dog
>> > cat
>> > rat
>> > coffee
>> > ocean
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >***************************************************************
>> >
>> >chapter iii :
>> > think of somebody (who also knows you) that you can relate
>> > to the following colors :
>> >
>> > please don't repeat your answer twice. name only one person
>> > for each color.
>> >
>> > yellow
>> > orange
>> > red
>> > white
>> > green
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >*************************************************************
>> >
>> >chapter iv :
>> >
>> >
>> >finally, indicate your favorite number and favorite day.
>> >
>> >
>> >**********************************************************
>> >
>> >are you done???? make
>> >sure your answers are what you truly feel.......
>> >last chance............
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > see interpretations below:
>> >
>> >but before going on, just make one wish.......
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >***************************************************************
>> >
>> > chapter i :
>> >
>> > this will define your priorities in life
>> > cow means career
>> > tiger means pride
>> > sheep means love
>> > horse means family
>> > monkey means money
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >*******************************************************************
>> >
>> > chapter ii :
>> >
>> > your description of dog implies your own personality
>> > your description of cat implies your partner's personality
>> > your description of rat implies your enemy's personality
>> > your description of coffee is how you interpret sex
>> > your description of ocean implies your own life
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >******************************************************************
>> >
>> > chapteriii :
>> >
>> > yellow - somebody who will never forget you
>> > orange - someone whom you can consider as your real friend
>> > red - someone you really love
>> > white - your soulmate
>> > green - a person whom you will always remember for the rest
>> > of your life
>> >
>> >
>> >*********************************************************************
>> >
>> >
>> >chapter iv :
>> >
>> >your favorite number will be the number of persons you will be
>> >sending this test to and the favorite day will be the day that
>> >your wish will come true!
>

**************************************************
kelly krels--->kelly78@powernet.net
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"i wish i was beautiful..."
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hey yall,
sorry for wasted bandwidth but marivel can you email me, i gots a question for
ya about dickinson....muchas gracias

peace
sasha

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can we have something added to the faq asking listees to send out
messages in text format only?

these text/html messages that come through are totally redundant.
it's the same message twice.  those of us not using netscape mail
(or apparently ms mail) see two copies of the message, one in text
and one with a bunch of html commands scattered throughout.  it's
very messy and confusing.

is it possible, sherlyn?

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same for me!
i've been looking for these two forever!
meg

on sun, 10 may 1998, sb wrote:

> i would like to send out a plee for two things that i am very much
> longing for...
> blue food and colour me grey.  if anyone has these, preferably a real
> copy so that it isn't a 5th generation copy or something, and would be
> willing to tape it for me, please please please tell me.  i'd also
> rather send money for blank tape and postage and stuff rather than
> having to mail blank tapes and then have them mailed back....i would
> offer to trade for them, but i doubt i have anything anyone would want
> to trade for...=)
> if anyone is willing to do this, please let me know.
> thanks so much,
> sharon
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i think the real problem is that there are too many self-appointed moralists
who have perverted the teachings of the new testament to fit their own
agenda....  and all too willing to cast the first stone against what is
perceived as an easy target....  despite the advances in recent years in some
area, sexual minorities will still remain whipping "boys" in a country that
makes stars of rush limbaugh and jerry springer but makes an issue out of an
on screen kiss between ellen and her chosen partner....  time will tell who
burns in hell.....

tim

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two words:

amy rocks!!!!

tim

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hello fortunate ones~

        here's a brief review of friday night's benefit concert.  first, i
have to say that these benefit shows are quite a bit different from regular
ig shows.  both at the voter's for choice benefit in dallas two weeks ago
and the zapatista benefit on friday there were four acts and many folks had
come to see the other acts besides the girls.  nothing wrong with that, but
it detracts from the intensity of a regular ig show.
        interestingly, the skies above austin and southern texas on friday
were covered with smoke from forest fires in mexico, somewhat symbolic of
the turbulent situation between the zapatistas and the mexican government --
i.e. where there's smoke there's fire :o
        my biggest gripe about the backyard show was that the volume was too
low.  several of the acts, especially ricki lee jones were very difficult to
hear and the venue is small too!  i think this is partly related to it being
a mixed show, and that people who weren't interested in particular artists
talked through their performances.  young female fans about 14-17 seemed to
be the most vocal.  i figured they were probably ig fans and not interested
in the preceding acts so they socialized with their friends instead of
listening to the music.  i'm a bit disappointed that these ig fans were not
respectful of all the fine musicians playing friday night :(
        shawn colvin opened the show and had a very good set, better than in
dallas.  the crowd for the most part was into her performance and seemed to
really enjoy it, although the sound was a bit low.  sunny came home was of
course a real crowd pleaser!  towards the end of her set steve earle came on
and sang fearless heart with shawn, an earle song colvin has covered for a
long time!  it was great...
        then a&e came out and gave an exceptional introduction to ricki lee
jones.  i had been looking forward to her set, but the sound seemed the
lowest or perhaps just muted by the conversation of the audience.  she first
sang about 5 to 6 songs from her self-titled album and from what i could
hear they were not performed brillantly.  in fact the crowd seemed so
unfamiliar with her music that hardly anyone applauded at the end of her
songs.  i think she just didn't feel the "right vibes" when she took the
stage and she never found a groove with the audience.  so she'd just ended
one song and started into another without much if any space in between, so
the audience wouldn't even catch the fact that a song had ended and think to
applaud.  and rlj's performance seemed to deteriorate from there... :(
        her voice wasn't very strong either.  her voice cracked noticeably
on several occasions. later she did some newer songs which also seemed to
flop with the audience.  she did have a little girl (about 8 or 9) sitting
onstage with her, and i presume it was her daughter.  they both left the
stage after the initial set and ricki lee jones did not return for an encore.
        then a&e came out and introduced a women from mexico (sorry, don't
remember her name) and she gave a gripping speech about the situation in
chiapas in both english and spanish.  at then end of about a 20 minute talk,
she had the crowd shouting together, "viva la zapatista, viva la zapatista!".
        then steve earle came on and had a stunning performance!  he sang
south nashille blues, i feel alright, cckmp, devil's right hand, and
christmas in washington among others :)
        then the girls came on.  by this time many people had left the venue
but there was a strong core of ig fanatics remaining! :)  the girls sang
soy, with steve earle on harmonica and vocals and amy seemed to really enjoy
stressing the line "the only thing that keeps us distant is that i keep
fuckin up!" ;)  they did the singalongs lc, galileo, and it's alright.
emily did a beautiful rendition of ghost!
        they didn't play chickenman or closer to fine, though :0
        my favorite song of the evening was amy's new karla faye tucker song
combined with scooter boys and the accompanying intense jam! :)  ms. saliers
proved once again friday night that she is one of the best slide gutarists
performing today.  she scorched the audience with about an 8 minute electric
guitar demonstration on her "cheesy old national", while ms. ray frantically
beat out rhythm on her black martin, dancing feveriously the whole time!
surprisingly, i didn't see amy break a string in either dallas or austin.
this must be some kinda record or something! ;)
        the girls thanked the audience and left the stage.  they returned to
the stage with sc and se, but i didn't see rlj.  i was expecting ctf, but
the encore song for the evening was goodnight irene which was a pleasant
surprise :)  they all seemed to enjoy having an open jam on this song which
lasted a good ten minutes!  steve earle led the song mostly, while shawn
colvin had an exquiste solo (she was really beaming!)  the girls were all
smiley and seemed quite happy, but they took a lower key role in the last
song and then the concert was over... :(

goodnight irene, goodnight irene, i'll see you in my dreams~

i       tony doolittle - houston, texas, usa            g
n                                                       i
d       not content to bow and bend to the whims        r
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g       us away to our extinction -  emily saliers      s
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hkf's~

        sorry for the ig jeopardy delay, but i just had to go see 2 ig
concerts and the no jazz fest over the past few weeks, so i've been
stretched thin timewise :)  here's round 1 of game 4 again for those who
still wish to participate:

        this game is open to anyone who wants to play.  it's strictly for
fun!  the money points are just for fun also :)
        please reply privately~

categories:  ig's, musicians who sing with ig's, instruments, chickenman, cities

ig's~
$100    the correct spelling of emily's last name?
$200    she attended vanderbilt university?
$300    she attended tulane university?

musicians who sing with ig's~
$100    she is usually the guest singer on wild horses?
$200    he is usually the guest singer on thin line?
$300    she is usually the guest singer on don't think twice (it's alright)?

instruments~
$100    emily plays this twangy sounding geetar on this train - revised?
$200    approximately how many guitars do the girls usually carry on tour?
(give or take 3)
$300    if you get onto stage during ctf, you might likely play this
percussion instrument?

chickenman~
$100    a cat likely to get run over?
$200    amy said she could never be as cool as the chickenman because he
postponed this activity for 50 days at a time?
$300    "and it's a lot of stuff" -- what is amy referring to? (hint: not
the chickenman's junk)

cities~
$100    the center of the universe for liberals?
$200    there's a lot of good things about this city....like the things they
haven't discovered yet?
$300    ig's "played our hearts out all night long" in this city?

happy, happy folks!

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 17:27:11 -0600
reply-to:     melissa genevieve young <peterpan@micron.net>
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the amy vs. emily thing wasn't something i really thought about before i
joined this list and noticed what seems to be an overwhelming push to
the amy side.  while i agree that amy is the more intense performer and
has this magnetic aura about her, it's emily's lyrics that i identify
with most and that originally converted me to the girls.  but i guess
the bottom line is, i can't imagine one without the other (never ever
ever!).

melissa

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 20:36:41 -0400
reply-to:     juleeeeeeeee <js_carri@alcor.concordia.ca>
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i remember seing somewhere that ani would be playing in quebec city, in
july i think.. i know *i know* i've seen that somewhere, but now i cant
find *where* and i'm worried i dreamt it or sumpin. can someone help me
out? please email privately, cuz i'm currently trying to re-suscribe to
the list, and listserv isnt serving too fast...

july, who's worried she's going to see ani more this year than indigo
girls... i must work on that...

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 20:32:23 -0500
reply-to:     pooh40@mc.net
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please lets not get into that thread..been there, done that a million
times...
the question was....
is it the fact that amy ...for lack of a better way to phase this,
according to russell carter in one particular article....tends to
reactes before she thinks...what draws you amy fans to her?
ie:

> "fuck it!" hisses the brunette spark plug, flinging her pick into the air.
> for the second time in as many minutes the music stops. with a glare that
> could deflect sniper fire, amy thrusts her guitar into the hands of a
> wide-eyed roadie and stomps out of sight.
>
then after cooling off:

> "this has been the tour from hell as far as wires go," adds amy, whose
> tempest has by now - typically - blown over like a fierce but brief summer
> shower.
>
and her manager defends her temper tantrum as:

> "amy's first response is emotional, and then she thinks things through,"
> says her manger, russell carter.
>
thats all i was asking..is her explosive , in yer face . personality the
thing that draws her to you..the react first, think later  way she deals
with the world the "turn on" ( musically)..

just wondering...

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 21:45:44 edt
reply-to:     jill chambers <hsoows@hotmail.com>
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hi!  i was in einstein bros. bagels twice this weekend- yesterday and
today.  yesterday kid fears was on the radio-- the real version, not
that jazz-y stuff the sometimes turn songs into.  today get out the map
was on.  i haven't heard that on the radio b4!  actually, i'm not sure
if it was the radio on not.  it's a kinda big chain so maybe it was the
einstein bros channel or something like that... i dunno, i thought it
was cool  :)   then on the way back to work i heard the real version of
all along the watchtower... a pretty indigo weekend, i thought... back
to studying.... bleck :(
jill

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 21:49:26 -0400
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hi folks-

this is addressed to all who have asked or will/would like to ask for
the qt mov file of amy talking about her (natural, non-christian)
religious beliefs.

it's approx 27 seconds long.

1) make sure that your isp will allow extremely large email files.

2) make sure that your computer and mailer can handle large attachments.

3) make sure that you have quicktime for windows and quicktime movie
player installed and set up as a helper app so that you'll be able to
see it -- or else your mail program will tell you it can't open it *or*
it will ask you to select an app to open it.

  *or* you can find it in your windows/temp file and then cut and paste
it into a different folder and open it there.

  if you have a mac or use os/2 -- you won't be able to open it -- it's
a windows file, because my os is win95.

**4**) *please* tell me whether you'd like the mov file as is
(*unzipped*): 1375 kb (1.34 mb) *or* (*zipped*) in it's own zip file:
1124 kb (1.1 mb). [btw, 1375 kb = 1,407,426 bytes. the divisor is 1024.]

  a typical list post, for example, is 2 - 4 kb.

5) so... basically i just need to know if you want it zipped *or*
unzipped. and then i'll assume that you'll be able to handle it when you
get it.

okay, i guess that's it.

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dear lisa:

i just got back earlier this week fm atlanta (& then st louis) and just
got to your post about music midtown.

just prior to your email, i had read someone else's description of the
evening in glowing terms and kinda felt old because i didnt share the
enthusiasm.

you, however, made me feel that i have not lost my mind.

my friend & i got pushed, shoved and when one group of guys (w/ their
gf's) tried to shove us off a little mound (about 20k people fm the
stage) and i asked him to go somewhere else, he replied, "can't you be
gracious?".

i also resented ig for not playing with a band.   there had to have been
30k people watching the main stage and i finally left (yep, i left an ig
concert half way thru).  yes, they are wonderful as a duo, but not under
those conditions.  yes, i should be searching for fire-retardent
underwear.   i was about 2/3 back as i had gone to hear emily sing with
vonda and by the time i got back to the ig stage (30 mins before ig
started) couldn't see the screen.  that's right, not the two little
people on the stage, but i couldn't see a&e on the huge video screen.

needless to say, my favorite moment of the weekend was michelle malone
at eddie's.  waited in line for lottery tickets with nice people.  was
admitted to the show by a nice person.  sat with two very nice ladies
from decatur (oscha & lisa) and met nice ladies along the way, shonia &
joanne.  nice & sincere performances with kind people in a respectful
environment.  ohhhh, i am getting old....

graced with butter biscuits on her mind....

melissa

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in a message dated 98-05-10 10:23:43 edt, weenracer@aol.com write:

<<
"a+e=ig" has been our mantra for years, and all indigo fans recognize it...
heck, i'm sure even amy and emily recognize it immediately, it's been on so
many signs at their concerts.  but yet it remains _ours_, the fans'...  it
wasn't the invention of some ad firm or whatever, but sprouted up from their
loyal fans.  >>

i like a+e=ig also...it's a code--and yes it is mathematical...but certainly
the most exciting mathematical equation i've seen in awhile!..i thought it was
kewl when the girls had a+e=ig in the least complicated video.

wmntime

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in a message dated 98-05-10 22:10:08 edt, tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net writes:

<< they didn't play chickenman or closer to fine, >>

huh?  the girls didn't play closer to fine?  this has to be a first.

wmntime

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>if i didn't know indigo girls, amy, emily and i saw "a + e = ig"
>on someone's car i would think it's math equation, a political
>statement or something not at all related to music.  in a similar
>fashion the "i'd rather be indigoing" doesn't necessarily convey
>messages of "indigo girls" or their music to me.

the way i look at it is that this is more of an inside joke-like thing.
anyone who was a lf last summer, or a concert could have picked up one
of the official bumperstickers (purple or blue on white). this idea is
more internal & special.  only we would get it.  i think that would make
you really happy.  not only did you just see an ig fan, but you saw a
listee!!!
love,
  ~carol~

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over an overture
n- do i need
apostrophe
t- need this torture
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dear nancy,

thank you so much for posting the article.  i am a new fan ...  its almost a
year now!  anyway, here in southcentral pa in the late 80's and early 90's
there was no new music to be heard on the radio.  every station that
broadcasted was doing "classic rock".  i am sure that there are many r&r
groups who were good never made it to our neck of the woods because of radio
programming.  i was introduced to the ig last summer at lilith and was
mesmerized by there music and the energy they exuded and the crowd gathered.
my only regret is that i haven't been a fan since their inception.

so far as air time now, all the hard rock groups are playing, but i have never
heard ig on any radio station.  but to be perfectly honest, i rarely listen to
fm anymore ('cept for stern sometimes) cause i got the cd blaring ig!

anyway, thanks a bunch for the historical article about our girls!

peace,  karen

nancy humphries wrote:

> rick (ever diligent rick) asked if i meant to post the entire article
> where i found the 'sunny' nickname quote. actually, i hadn't, since it's
> a long sucker - but what the hell...good info here. enjoy (and settle in,
> as it's a long read). remember this was 8 years ago.......
>
> (reprinted without permission - source for this copy, the lifeblood site)
>
> january 1990 -- atlanta magazine
>
> mood indigo
> by melissa harris
>
> amy ray and emily saliers have just plunged into their opening number at
> birmingham's uab arena, and they're not even closer to fine.
>
> after one false start on their catchy radio single "closer to fine," the
> indigo girls are again struggling to harmonize over a rude crackling noise
> invading their microphones. it may as well be the sound of amy's fuse
> frying down to blast-off.
>
> "fuck it!" hisses the brunette spark plug, flinging her pick into the air.
> for the second time in as many minutes the music stops. with a glare that
> could deflect sniper fire, amy thrusts her guitar into the hands of a
> wide-eyed roadie and stomps out of sight.
>
> awkward silence.
>
> emily stands frozen, then quickly resurrects her composure and grins
> sheepishly at the hushed audience. "hey, did ya'll here the joke about
> the...?"
>
> birmingham was just another stop along the road - literally and
> figuratively - for the indigo girls. it was the next-to-last show of a
> two-week tour plagued by equipment failures and bronchial infections.
>
> in terms of the road atlanta's indigo girls have traveled in the last
> year, from little five points bar band to gold-album prodigies, the
> glitches in birmingham amount to less than a pothole.
>
> after signing their first major-label contract with epic records in the
> fall of 1988, the girls began touring with big- time bands such as athens'
> r.e.m., neil young, and the violent femmes.
>
> by last october, sales of their "indigo girls" gold album were hurdling
> past 700,000 copies, and it was one of epic's hottest properties. the
> acoustic twosome was playing to mostly sold-out crowds at its own headline
> concerts. they had released two singles - "closer to fine" and "land of
> canaan." they'd rsvp'd to invitations from tv's david letterman, pat
> sajak, david sanborn and the today show. there were plans for spots on
> saturday night live and the arsenio hall show, and the girls had recorded
> "get together" for a wonder years episode.
>
> all this and critical acclaim, too. save one all-out gouging by a rock
> critic jon pareles of the new york times - after his paper had earlier
> crowned the girls' lp "pop album of the week" - the pair has basked in
> hosannas. spin magazine described them as having "voices that could shake
> redwoods" and the boston globe pronounced theirs "the best debut album so
> far this year."
>
> not to mention grammy talk, only natural after a year that rocketed the
> girls to no. 16, in october, on the rolling stone top 50 album chart.
>
> but the fleeting scenes of a night in birmingham and the midnight road
> back to atlanta are instructive: herein, a peek at what happens when the
> big time beckons, a miniprimer on amy ray, 25, and emily saliers, 26, and
> why two folk singers with acoustic guitars are one of the first bands in
> years to effectively inform the musical world georgia does not end at the
> athens city limits.
>
> "we enjoyed playing for ya'll. good night - just kidding," says emily
> saliers (pronounced sale-yers), the strawberry blonde indigo girls who,
> with her more emotive partner, has just returned to the uab stage. wiring
> snags addressed, the duo makes their third stab of the evening at "closer
> to fine."
>
> dressed in a peach pullover, white overalls and sneakers, emily delivers
> the verses of "closer" in her elegant murky soprano. gymnastics are not
> her style. she may bob up and down when she really gets going, but
> generally, she moves onstage like the animal she is - a classically
> trained guitarist. vertebrae aligned, wrists flexible.
>
> it is amy - in ripped jeans, black t-shirt and steel-toed, spur heeled
> cowboy boots - who delivers the visual fireworks at an indigo girls
> concert. lots of feet shuffling, a la axl rose (lead singer of one of
> amy's favorite heavy-metal bands, guns n' roses) and lots of neck-veins
> popping and microphone lipping.
>
> under spot-lights, her deep-set eyes dissolve into dark maelstroms beneath
> heavy bangs. spin magazine has observed the "she storms across the stage
> like no one ever told her acoustic guitars aren't 'axes.' "
>
> but amy, still fuming, is noticeably immobile for the opening lines of
> "closer." waiting to chime in on the chorus, she stares down at a spot on
> the floor with the look that says you don't even want to know what's going
> to happen if it doesn't work this time.
>
> it works.
>
> "thanks for being so patient," says the ever-cordial emily, sometimes
> called sunny by amy and their friends.
>
> "this has been the tour from hell as far as wires go," adds amy, whose
> tempest has by now - typically - blown over like a fierce but brief summer
> shower.
>
> occasional tantrums notwithstanding, the indigo girls are rare among
> musical acts today in that their work overshadows their personalities.
> they have attracted many of their fans, in the last year anyway, through a
> vinyl disc and its intensely personal, yet universal, messages.
>
> as for self-promotion, the girls stay at half-mast. they do not sport buzz
> cuts or skimpy outfits. they favor blue jeans and t-shirts and the sort of
> fashionably earnest save-the-whales pitches we've come to expect from
> serious musicians.
>
> the back cover of their gold album stumps for greenpeace, coalition for
> the homeless, amnesty international and people for the ethical treatment
> of animals. on this fall's south-eastern tour, they were asking
> pro-choicers to sign a petition being circulated by a student group.
>
> but social concerns are practically the only traits the girls share.
>
> emily meets newcomers with a polite lifting of the eyes. her voice is
> raspy and quiet, her body language unassuming. as one friend notes, "emily
> is a very rich person inside, and she is certainly not going to show that
> off."
>
> amy, on the other hand, marches right up and sticks out her hand. her
> speaking voice has that throaty, raucous, honking quality you associate
> with a bad cold. her world seems to consist of two colors, black and
> white, and her moods of two extremes, happily bubbling or dramatically
> boiling. (she once fractured a bone in her hand by slamming her fist into
> a door.)
>
> "amy's first response is emotional, and then she thinks things through,"
> says her manger, russell carter.
>
> as for their acclaimed music, critics have a hard time nailing down
> exactly what it is, describing their music as folk, folk-rock, acoustic
> pop, acoustic folk-rock and so on. the girls prefer the term - if you must
> - acoustic rock.
>
> it's not hard to read into their popularity a nostalgia for the '60s and
> '70s or a social agenda for the '80s and '90s, but the girls come pretty
> close to being honest-to-god originals.
>
> the hedge at the "folk singer," label, but only three songs on "indigo
> girls" could be credited with any kind of foot tapability - "closer to
> fine" (their first radio single), "land of canaan" (their second radio
> single) and "tried to be true" (in which they front r.e.m.).
>
> few would argue that cheerful rockers have been the girls' bread and
> butter. fans come to their concerts not to party but to commune.
>
> ironically, the girls' seriousness is the sole element critics
> consistently harp on, smirking at their brand of "new american sincerity."
> and there's no denying they occasionally lose self control, particularly
> on a couple of unforgivable cringers such as "feeding the cancer of my
> intellect" and the preachy "your actions will follow you full circle
> round."
>
> emily, the lead guitarist who thanks joni mitchell "for the inspiration"
> on the album notes, is the balladeer - and voice of reason - for the two.
>
> her tunes and lyrics, like her personality, tend toward the quietly
> thoughtful and complex. her images (posters of rasputin, someone of the
> bathroom floor doing cocaine), hearken back to real experiences.
>
> "we always joke that my songs are little ditties," she laughs.
>
> amy's compositions, however, erupt from the gut and gun unashamedly
> for same.
>
> in "kid fears," hailed by some critics as the album's most powerful
> moment, her high-octane alto growls and bellows in clever metaphors about
> idealism sold for a price. ("skipping stones/we know the price now/any sin
> will do./how much further if you can spin/how much further if you are
> smooth.")
>
> amy, after all, is the person who wrote "secure yourself," a song about
> the spiritual journey into heaven, after her cat died.
>
> and with lyrics like these from "blood and fire," "i'm looking for someone
> who can take as much as i give/give back as much as i need/and still have
> the will to live," a singer had best have her sincerity fully intact.
>
> so much for the lifestyles of the rich and famous.
>
> amy and emily are back at the motel near the uab arena, picking up for the
> late-night haul back to atlanta. rented as a preshow crash pad, the room
> features yellow concrete-block walls and fungicidally green carpet.
>
> "how do you like these plush accommodations beth [stuebenbord, the girls'
> road manager] lined up for us?" laughs amy, adding that typically they've
> managed better.
>
> emily staggers from the room under the weight of a gaping garment bag,
> known on the inside joke circuits as "baby shamu."
>
> "shamu done split a side," she ad libs, hoisting the bag onto the red ford
> rental van that has carried the girls for two weeks.
>
> in the rear seat of the van are the indigo girls' two technicians for this
> tour: a sound engineer and a guitar technician. beth, the road manager
> whom the girls like to call bunny, shares a seat with emily.
>
> amy is at the wheel when the van pulls onto i-20 east. never mind that she
> has just completed an emotionally draining two-hour performance and it is
> near 1 a.m. atlanta time. or that she and emily have been on the road for
> seven months.
>
> amy wants to drive. amy usually drives.
>
> "i feel like this is probably the hardest year of my life," announces
> emily, volunteering for the first time that she is strictly a homebody at
> heart.
>
> "sometimes i feel like it's not a real life to be moving from town to town
> every day. part of real life is being in a situation where you go through
> a daily routine. it's very real and constant and not 1,000 people a night
> feeding your ego."
>
> amy, as usual, sees it differently.
>
> "i actually get restless if i'm home for more than like a month," she
> explains. "this has been for me, for personal reasons, a easier year than
> i'm used to. but i judge everything on an emotional level - how happy i
> am. not like where i am and what i'm doing. i do look forward to my time
> off though."
>
> time off is still a distant fantasy.
>
> tomorrow night in macon they finish their southeastern tour. their
> schedule for the next five weeks includes two tv appearances in new york,
> a sold-out aids benefit in at the fox in atlanta, a 25-day tour in europe,
> the possibility of more tv in new york and l.a., then a stint in the
> recording studio in february for their next album.
>
> as their manager-lawyer, russell carter, puts it, "when you have a hit
> record, you just grab the reins and hold on and try to keep it from
> getting out of control."
>
> >from where the indigo girls sit tonight, a couple of free days in atlanta
> are looking fine.
>
> for all their divergent ways and means, the indigo girls come from
> strikingly similar beginnings. and for all their dark lyrical intensity,
> they come from strikingly carefree beginnings.
>
> each is one of four children from tightly knit, high-achieving families in
> suburban decatur. they grew up a few miles apart, both attending laurel
> ridge elementary school, shamrock high school and, eventually, emory
> university.
>
> emily is the second-oldest of four girls. the sole redhead among three
> blondes, she was told as a child that her red hair came from her
> grandfather red saliers, a jazz musician in new york in the 1920s.
>
> her father, don saliers, is an easygoing, soft-spoken man. in a tweed
> jacket, reading glasses dangling from one hand, he couldn't look more like
> a college professor - which he is - if he tried. an ordained methodist
> minister, he teaches theology at emory university. he is also a composer,
> pianist and organist.
>
> his wife, jane saliers, an articulate woman made even more so by caution
> ("emily told us not to say anything mean"), also looks her part: a
> children's librarian at the public library on ponce de leon avenue. in a
> high-necked blouse and full skirt, she wears little makeup and her thick
> brown hair is cropped into a short, simple style.
>
> the priorities of the saliers are no mystery. books and sheet music are
> stacked everywhere. in the corner of the den is a grand piano.
>
> music is serious business in this household.
>
> one of emily's sisters is studying classical opera with a coach from the
> metropolitan opera in new york. another assists the choir director at her
> college, and the third is a singer. emily's own musical penchant hardly
> came as a surprise.
>
> as a 9-year-old in new haven, conn., where don saliers taught at yale, she
> had come to her mother with and advertisement for guitar classes at the
> ymca. a musical cousin helped her pick out a $20 guitar.
>
> the memory tickles her mother. "in emily's guitar class, the teacher was
> always cocking his head and looking around to see who that was who sounded
> so different."
>
> a few years later, growing up in atlanta, emily studied with a classical
> guitarist who told her parents, "look, just let her play the way she wants
> to."
>
> emily was writing songs in grammar school - message oriented music about
> living, laughing, loving and pollution, neatly foreshadowing the
> issue-affiliated indigo girls.
>
> for the introspective emily, although always a good student and fairly
> involved, high school was "always painful - no matter what." most of her
> pals were from the school chorus, she recalls, "and we were never
> considered cool.
>
> "there weren't very many people with whom i had a special bond or
> relationship. i was still scratching at who i was."
>
> most of the attention she received in high school was for music, drama and
> good grades. her senior year the teachers voted her a senior superlative
> and her classmates, most talented.
>
> but for the most part, she looked to her family for acceptance.
>
> "most of our daughters were always a little on the outside, not the
> rah-rah girls," says jane saliers. emily's father adds, "they found
> themselves looking beyond high school at a fairly early time."
>
> meanwhile, in the ordinary brick home across the street from shamrock high
> school, amy ray - in typical amy ray fashion - had a few plans brewing of
> her own.
>
> third among four kids, amy was born in atlanta in april 1964 to frances
> and larry ray. her father is a radiologist and president of the medical
> staff at georgia baptist hospital, and her mother is a homemaker.
>
> like the saliers, the rays begat go-getters. one of amy's sisters is a
> resident in the hospitals affiliated with emory university's school of
> medicine, her younger brother is in emory med school, and anther sister,
> after a few years of molecular biology, dropped medicine to run her own
> "wearable art" clothing store in durham, n.c.
>
> a pistol, amy ray was writing her own plays by second grade. because she
> would rush through classroom assignments in order to sit and socialize
> before the bell, she picked up the nickname "rush ray" in elementary
> school, a name that still applies.
>
> amy learned the flute and, about age 12, in an ironic parallel, she heard
> the call of the ywca guitar class.
>
> as a high schooler, with an amplifier her parents helped buy, amy also
> played at a few restaurants, like big al's, a short-order joint in
> decatur, and dante's down the hatch. she also performed in the family's
> methodist church.
>
> she and emily saliers had been acquaintances for years, friendly but never
> running in the same circles. amy, in fact, despised emily in grade school,
> jealous of her more advanced musical abilities. they didn't become a
> musical duo on any routine basis until late in high school.
>
> unlike emily, the aggressive amy was a natural at high school survival.
> elected president of her 10th and 11th  grade classes, she ran cross
> country and track, played flute in the marching band, shot photos for the
> yearbook, sang in the concert choir. her senior class voted her best
> leader. like emily, she was a senior superlative.
>
> "she's always had a tremendous amount of energy. she is a worker," her
> mother says. "she's always told us there are other people more musically
> talented than she is, but that she wants to do this more than other
> people."
>
> nevertheless, the amy ray who graduated from shamrock high school in 1982
> was not the amy ray of today, the bellowing dynamo with a tattoo on her
> left forearm.
>
> her sister susan recalls going to see amy play at houlihan's at lennox
> square. "it was really pretty awful. she was so shy. she sat down to play
> and didn't look up. her hair was falling in her face and she played lots
> of slow ballads like jim croce. people would hardly listen to her because
> there was no personality there."
>
> while amy's parents indulged her ambition, they openly feared she was
> asking for heartbreak.
>
> "we didn't push her into this, that's for sure," says larry ray. i told
> her there are 150 million people out there who think they can sing and
> write songs. i have no connections and no way to help you other than
> encouragement, and i don't think you should count on this."
>
> "she didn't listen to any of it."
>
> "we always did things to make ourselves feel better about out music," says
> amy, explaining, at 80 mph in the wee hours of the morning, how the indigo
> girls came to be where they are. and why there making it when those 150
> million other wanna- bees are not.
>
> to have amy at the wheel with foot to the floor for this topic is fitting.
> she has commandeered the indigo girls in much the same fashion. although
> both girls wanted to be musicians, it was doubtless amy's
> singlemindedness, plus some perceptive navigating, that have largely kept
> them on track.
>
> "amy knew how to make decisions back when we were on our own," emily says.
> "like she knew we needed to start playing rock clubs instead of folk clubs
> because people in rock clubs tend to be more openminded to different kinds
> of music. i had no idea what steps to take."
>
> amy's and emily's lives have been laced erratically together for almost 15
> years, but it was not until about 1980, when they began playing together
> on a regular basis, that the weave was pulled tight.
>
> that year, under the name saliers and ray, they decided to try their hand
> at a buckhead bar called good ol' days.
>
> their career was interrupted when emily left for h. sophie newcomb college
> at tulane in new orleans in 1981. amy left for vanderbilt the next year.
> by 1983 both were back at emory, where their musical skills were put to
> use in student theater productions. ("strange fire," one song they
> composed for a student play, became the name of an early independently
> handled album.)
>
> back in atlanta they named themselves indigo girls. it means nothing. amy
> simply pulled it out of the dictionary and haphazardly settled on the word
> "indigo," and that was the end of that.
>
> the indigo girls are a classic overnight success: they labored like plow
> horses for years and then happened to be in the right place at the right
> time.
>
> both graduated from emory, saliers as a phi beta kappa. amy was a good
> student, but as her sister says, "went to college on the side" while
> chasing stardom in the bars at night.
>
> by this time their faces were familiar to atlanta club-goers. on almost
> any given night, the indigo girls were serenading beer-drinkers somewhere.
> but they came to be associated with three local nightclubs: the dugout
> (now closed) and trackside tavern in decatur and the little five points
> pub, where they were fixtures until epic duties pulled them away. they
> drew an ardent following, some of the faithful coming to listen - no lie -
> two and three nights a week.
>
> in 1985 they put out a single, "crazy game," and then an ep, "the indigo
> girls," the next year. "strange fire," a bare bones lp recorded
> independently in an athens studio, came out in 1987. it was produced as a
> demo, but the girls - with a steady eye to the bigger and the better - had
> it pressed into vinyl and sold approximately 5,000 copies.
>
> in addition to performing locally, the indigo girls had begun playing in
> southeastern college towns and were getting airplay on campus radio
> stations with "strange fire."
>
> by the time epic records came calling, the indigo girls were a kit that
> required very little assembly. they had been supporting themselves as
> professional musicians - playing their own music, not cover tunes - for
> about four years. they already had a sizable regional following of college
> students and a backlog of their own material.
>
> "they were at a point where they didn't need anything from anybody," notes
> amy's friend cooper seay, a member of the atlanta band the ellen james
> society.
>
> all they needed was a ticket.
>
> still, the ratio of bands to actual record deals probably makes larry
> ray's "150 million" odds seem optimistic. and the percentage of bands that
> sell 700,000 right out of the chute? well, don't give up your day job.
>
> even the girls can't fully explain why them. "i don't know. it's like
> right time, right place sometimes," shrugs amy. "it's luck."
>
> right on all three counts. the right place was atlanta, because it is
> barely 90 minutes from athens, where at that right time, most of the major
> labels in america were trying to woo a band called r.e.m. luck, because
> epic's liaison decided to drop by the little five points pub and catch
> another act he'd been hearing about.
>
> "the day after i heard emily and amy play i couldn't get them out of my
> mind," recalls roger klein, epic's director of artists and repertoire. "i
> went back the next night, talked to them after the show, and then wanted
> to sign them to the company. the didn't seem like they were looking for a
> record deal."
>
> says amy, who had already reserved studio time for their next independent
> album, "we were kinda laughing about the idea of a major label."
>
> they stopped laughing two weeks later, when they found themselves talking
> contacts over meat loaf at the buckhead diner with klein and an epic vice
> president.
>
> "we were scared," remarks emily.
>
> "i was excited, and then i was depressed for weeks," adds amy, who had
> pushed for it all along and then dug in her heels at the last minute.
>
> "but i got over it," she chuckles.
>
> "then our fans in atlanta started freaking out," says emily. "we were all
> weeping at the pub about how it's not going to be the same. it was sweet
> and sour."
>
> also at that right time, 1988, an artist named tracy chapman had cleaned
> house at the grammy awards, selling millions of records and giving the
> music industry a little attitude adjustment about the profitability of
> female folk singers.
>
> although klein insists that tracy chapman-ia had nothing to do with it
> ("we didn't go down there looking for an act to compete with tracy
> chapman. they are not like tracy chapman anyway"), it definitely didn't
> count against them.
>
> now has the girls' lucky association with r.e.m., the athens based rock
> band that could probably sell a million records just by singing in the
> shower.
>
> the girls hooked up with michael stipe, r.e.m.'s enigmatic lead singer,
> after he saw one of their performances at the uptown lounge in athens and
> asked them to write a song with him. then they performed with stipe at an
> outdoor festival in athens.
>
> "that was really cool," says emily. "then we just hung out with him and
> learned a bunch of songs and were friends with him."
>
> the girls' ties to r.e.m. are strong: they've shared a record producer and
> toured as a warm-up band with r.e.m., and members of r.e.m. sang on the
> girl's album.
>
> when "indigo girls" passed the 500,000 retail mark, an extra gold album
> was delivered to athens.
>
> amy wheels the red rental van into the fluorescent-lit parking lot of a
> starvin' marvin in leeds, ala., the group having loudly booed the
> environmentally evil exxon station across the street.
>
> while amy pumps gas, emily, a connoisseur of minimart cuisine, peruses the
> store's display of cheese-food sandwiches and beef jerky.
>
> no one gives them a second glance.
>
> amy buys a copy of auto trader magazine, the first and only indication
> that this is not just a vanload or ragamuffins pooling their resources for
> a $25 road trip.
>
> she wants to buy a vintage corvette, which strikes some of her friends as
> comedically un-amy. she now owns a blue toyota van and lives in an army
> barracks-style apartment in decatur with plastic lawn animals in the yard.
> her decor is a mish-mash of goodwill-quality furniture, rock posters and
> junky memorabilia. she has tie-dyed sheets for living room curtains and
> says the thought of ever moving "breaks my heart."
>
> emily has bought a house not far from her parents, "complete with leaky
> roof and all," her father moans.
>
> be not fooled by their beggars' rags.
>
> "the indigo girls made money from day one on the first tour since their
> record came out," says manager russell carter.
>
> with two voices, five or six guitars, a road manager and two roadies, the
> girls' touring overhead is low. unlike many bands willing to go in the
> hole in return for exposure, the girls make money on the road.
>
> now to mention selling close to a million records with a contract weighted
> toward royalties instead of advances. "record companies are happy to break
> an act by their third record," says carter, "so in that respect we're way
> ahead of the game."
>
> but carter dodges the specifics. "nobody's a millionaire. it's nothing
> that dramatic or even close to it. but they're making a lot of money, more
> than they ever dreamed of , i think."
>
> as recently as two years ago, amy and her ex-roommate michelle malone, who
> now has a record deal with arista, were busking for rent money at the
> atlanta arts festival in piedmont park. "that was just a slow time where
> neither or us was working a lot," she explains. "emily and i were making
> decent money at the pub."
>
> but aside from amy's corvette tastes, their friends have seen no
> indication that the girls' take has been elevated from "decent."
>
> "i can tell you money is the last thing they're concerned about in terms
> of their career," says carter. "their one inclination is to give it away
> by doing benefits. ...i think they're a little intimidated by the fact
> that they're making a lot of money."
>
> the talk has turned oddly confessional in the darkened van. the indigo
> girls are saying that they are obsessed with the idea of death.
>
> "when i go to sleep...i think about, well, death bothers me a lot, so that
> a lot of times i have problems falling asleep. i'm kinda obsessed with
> it," says amy.
>
> she doesn't know why, exactly. when amy was 15, a friend was hit and
> killed by a train. another close friend died in a motorcycle accident in
> college. but those two deaths only fed her natural preoccupation.
>
> "me too," emily pipes up. "i remember lying in bed in high school and
> thinking that when you die you're never coming back - never, ever, ever,
> ever, ever."
>
> "that's why we sing together," amy jokes.
>
> but not really.
>
> it is remarkable that the indigo girls are willing to reveal this kid fear
> (one that is, after all, pretty universal) to a reporter. mainly because
> of the "too serious" complaint that has haunted their press. and
> especially because of the bludgeoning they took from critic jon pareles.
> following their show at new york's town hall last year, he blasted them as
> the "new standard- bearers" of "earnest pretentiousness." and that was one
> of his kinder comments.
>
> "that hurt our feelings worse than anything," says amy.
>
> "because he attacked us like right in the heart of what we feel we aren't
> when he called us pretentious," continues emily. "he called me verbose and
> way too wordy, and he said amy danced with self-congratulatory gestures."
>
> amy laughs happily as if discovering some nifty irony about herself. "he's
> right about that!"
>
> while unusually vehement for the times, pareles' review bears mentioning
> as the lone slam in a red-banner year.
>
> the girls played madison square garden with r.e.m. at the omni they got a
> standing ovation as r.e.m.'s warm-up band. at their first-ever denver
> show, in the red rocks amphitheater, half the crowd stood and cheered
> simply because the girls walked onto the stage.
>
> even a show with all the makings of a disaster at the roxy in los angeles
> became a triumph. it was arranged as the girls' formal debut before the
> west coast music industry, and the audience was filled with record company
> brass and press. a rumor was circulating that joni mitchell was coming.
> but when amy stepped up to the microphone just a few songs into the show,
> the mike delivered her a nasty shock. one or two numbers later, her guitar
> shocked her badly enough to produce burn marks on her fingers. she threw
> the guitar off and quickly exited the stage. the show was canceled and
> everyone in the audience was offered free tickets to the next night's
> show. some of them came back; no one complained or asked for a refund,
> says epic's roger klein. the girls handed out gag hand-buzzers to those
> who returned. the critics gushed.
>
> it is near 4 a.m. and the critics are asleep. the atlanta skyline has just
> risen up in the windshield of the indigo girls' red rental van.
>
> "i like life now," states amy ray, laughing, as usual, in a kind of
> childlike self-wonderment.
>
> "i miss playing atlanta," adds emily. "i miss the pub a lot. i miss having
> people treat up like we're not any bigger or better than we are."
>
> bunny, stirring from her slumber, begins reeling off the girls' to-do list
> for tomorrow - or rather, today.
>
> amy eases down from 80 mph.
>
> emily emits a long sigh.
>
> "i can't believe we're home. it is so weird. i'm so happy."
>
> nancy humphries
> nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com
>
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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 23:00:53 -0400
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i posted a response to nancy's article and i forgot to delete her text!
please don't yell at me!  it was an accident i promise, sherilyn.  such
a waste of bandwidth....sorry : (

peace,  karen

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 23:03:08 edt
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this was an excellent article.  the girls are indeed so brave in the wake of
these cancellations.  i admire them more and more each day.

wmntime

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 23:04:04 -0400
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we are all original, and one thing i learned a long time ago is you can't please
everyone at once.  i like rick's idea...make your own sticker, put it in your
window.  a+e=ig is a terrific one though and i am gonna make it and put it up.  we
could honk at each other and cause quite a national ruckus!

love,  karen

ps  did you notice i remembered to delete this time?  : )

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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 20:22:14 -0700
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hey wmntime~

        not the first time, but very rare! :)

tony

at 10:53 pm 5/10/98 edt, you wrote:
>in a message dated 98-05-10 22:10:08 edt, tonyfrapsiv@earthlink.net writes:
>
><< they didn't play chickenman or closer to fine, >>
>
>huh?  the girls didn't play closer to fine?  this has to be a first.
>
>wmntime

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i laugh when i watch the uptown lounge tape where the first song is closer to
fine!  they've come a long way...

incidentally, i love the closer to fine video!!!  amy in that leather jacket.
wow.  there are no words :)

wmntime--who hopes that the igs always play closer to fine, even though i'm
sure they may be a *tad* bit tired of it - lol!

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in a message dated 98-05-10 11:51:36 edt, pooh40@mc.net writes:

> now i read this to mean she reacts first and then , thinks thing
>  thru..ya get what the gut has to say,the real feeling , the real core
>  and essence of amy, the truth,and then you get  the "practicle"  amy....
>
>  is this what attracts you to her..her raw core..or is it something
>  else..
>
i think that's definitely it with amy.  even though emily "speaks" to me
musically and emotionally more than amy does,  amy's raw passion, especially
when you see her perform live, just grabs you and doesn't let go.  the fact
that it's not just something she turns on and off for a song, but that it's an
integral part of her personality, just adds to the effect.  but her songs, not
just her perfomance, reflect her personality - the lyrics tend to be cryptic
at times, and yet the "feel" and the emotion of them is enough to make you
think that you understand exactly what she's trying to say.  but i think what
i admire most about amy is how she can be so instant, so from the gut, so raw,
and yet then she can manage to take a step back, evaluate the situation, see
what needs to be done and set about to do it...very practical, very business-
like, and amazingly diplomatic.

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from:         tony at mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu>
subject:      announcing: indigo texas mail repeater
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while i must admit it's hard to get feedback from folks at exam time, the
comments i got were all flame free and supportive. it appears that there is
somewhat more support for having a texas list, and since most of us in
dallas try to make austin/sa concerts that's good. here's the details:

list policy:
this mail redirection system was created because of the trouble in passing
around piles of email with 15 people's addresses at the top before concerts
and meets in the area. so, the list is for passing around concert and meet
information, plus other local information like ticket outlets, music
stores, and driving directions for fortunate ones in texas.

the list is not for random free-ranging discussions on nigc issues, or for
igc issues that are nationwide and belong on the regular list. a certain
amount of chit-chat will happen, especially right before/after concerts,
because i'm not nearly as hardnosed as i sound in the rest of this
document. however, we are going to keep the nigc to a out so that those who
can't subscribe to the general discussion list can feel free to subscribe
to this one.

this list is also not for attachements, including vcard.vcf and msmail.dat
files if you can possibly stand to turn them off. i will be happy to
explain how to turn those off if need be.

anyway, remember that this is a low traffic list among friends. be
considerate, don't annoy your friends, and have fun.

see you at our next meet....

tony

instructions:

to subscribe or unsubscribe:
send an email to indigo-texas@usa.net
place the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the subject line

to send mail to the list:
send an email to indigo-texas@usa.net that does not contain the words
subscribe, unsubscribe, or send policy in the subject line. it will take
5-30 minutes to make it through the mailserver, and then up to six hours
before my machine dials in and processes the mail.

to get a copy of this policy:
send an email to indigo-texas@usa.net
place the words "send policy" in the subject line.

to complain or get help:
send an email to tony a.t. mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu> or
send an email to the list and ask for help.

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 00:47:19 -0400
reply-to:     barbara <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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hey y'all,

i'm soooo not in the mood to finish writing my last two papers of
the semester...
i fear i'm braindead!

good mother's day!
bestest present from melissa....
** indigo girls live at the uptown lounge**
i knew i raised dem young'uns right!
wow, a blast from the past!  carol king, tapestry...
a great gift from my male offspring, bubba baby,
of course not his given name....names have been changed to
protect the innocent.
my dad, major good guy, gave me a new stereo for some serious
indigo listenin'!  yippie!
and from april, the youngest & cutest & (shhh.... spoiled)
munchkin....
lovely fragrant stuffs from bath & body.
and yeah, i do know how lucky i am! :)

it's been like 26 years since i've listened to carol king's
tapestry, and i still remember every word to every song.
duh...maybe i'm not braindead....just brain challenged....?

anyone remember these?
it's too late baby....
you got to get up every morning with a smile on your face and
show the world that you're beautiful, beautiful as you feel....
winter, spring, summer, or fall, all you have to do is call, and
i'll be there, you got a friend....
will you still love me tomorrow....

carolyn...thanks...parental unit thang....

peace + love,
barbara
                       *~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*
     if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
                     bcorrice@wam.umd.edu
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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 21:56:10 -0700
reply-to:     ariel federow <bean@u.washington.edu>
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subject:      (nigc) my cd player hates the indigo girls!
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i know this sounds utterly neurotic, but i figure y'all might know
something. my cd player utterly, positively refuses to play any indigo
girls cds.  i put them in, -sometimes- the cd player will acknowledge
their presence.  (and sometimes they just sit there and don't get spun
around and the cd player tells me 'no disc'.)  and so i hit 'play', and
within a few songs (the record is to "why do we hurtle ourselves through
every inch of time and space" in "get out the map" on sots) the cd skips
every few seconds and ultimately stops altogether.  for some reason, it
actually -does- do this more with the girls than with anyone else,
although now it's decided it doesn't like ani difranco either.  but simon
and garfunkel seem to work...anyone know if cd players are sexist? ;)p

help would be appreciated! (and sorry for the bandwidth waster, folks, but
i'm utterly baffled.)

thank you beaucoup,
--ariel
http://weber.u.washington.edu/~bean/
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honestly free.  sometimes lila just let herself look at a lot of ordinary
things in a magnificent way."
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date:         sun, 10 may 1998 23:34:27 -0500
reply-to:     tony at mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu>
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from:         tony at mendina <mendina@utdallas.edu>
subject:      re: let's have us a bumper sticker vote
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at 08:36 am 5/10/98 -0500, rick hodgin you said:
>just a thought.  i've gotten tons of compliments on my home-made
>"i n d i g o   g i r l s" transparent sticker on my car.  i printed
>the text in station ec, 235 point font on legal paper, landscape (sideways)

as an alternative to cutting and pasting legal paper, we could feed inkjet
transparencies through a printer...now why didn't i think of that without
your help? because i'm just not smart enough <grin!>

but i *am* glad for the idea!

tony
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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 02:14:59 -0400
reply-to:     melsouth@mindspring.com
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from:         mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>
subject:      lilith qt movies[re: the ig religion issue]
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hi folks-

first... thanks to traci loth for the suggestion of going back to the
source to download that amy mov file in which she talks about her
religious beliefs.

i spent over an hour fartin around the lilith 97 site and downloading
and watching 7 different ig quicktime movies -- *very* interesting and
lots of fun -- and traci is right... amy *does* look great in red!
<grin>

but... there's always a big ol "but" ain't there... <damn!>... i am so
bummed. ig interview "part eight" -- would *not* open <grrr>... i even
closed my web browser and emptied my memory cache and disk cache, went
back and tried again... nooooooooooo!  :-(  "outdated, inaccurate, or
the server has been instructed blah blah blah"   }%o(   no go, period.

obviously... part 8 is the amy on religion interview clip... and for
whatever reason... the link don't link to nuthin no more... which means
that unless someone else out there in ig-land has it lying around on a
floppy or their hard drive... i have something you can't get anymore.

hey, kind friends... would some nice lister like to help me out...
someone with a very generous isp, which doesn't seem to mind
transferring big ol mail files... by offering to send out a few mov
files for me. i have a 56 modem, and it still takes about 5 minutes to
upload (send) each one. i would suggest that someone put it on their web
page for all the world to see -- but i will not do that -- because it's
probably copyrighted or something, and i wouldn't want anyone to get in
big-time trouble over 27 seconds of amy saying "and... umm... you know"
3 times. it's just not worth getting in deep doo-doo.

the good news... (see, it's not all bad...) is that if you have web
access -- you can go to the lilith fair 97 web site and watch / download
more than 7 qt movies of a&e (plus lots of others)! how to do it...

go to: http://lilithfair.excite.com/lilith97/index2.html

http://lilithfair.excite.com is the lilith home page - you can go there
and click on 'scrapbook' to get the 97 page.

+ once you're at lilith 97 -- click on 'dates'
+ scroll down... click a '[date/cityname]'
+ at the top of that date page... click on '[cityname] recap'
+ then scroll down on left side of that page to "interviews" and click
on the one you want

to save it (win95 directions only, cuz that's all i know):
+ minimize (don't close) your browser.
+ open your 'windows\temp' folder find the last tmp file which will be
named "qt______.tmp".
+ copy it.
+ paste it to a different folder.
+ rename it by changing the tmp to mov - "qt_______.mov".
+ then you can rename it to whatever you want. (e.g.: "amy_rocks.mov")

(btw, there are also qt movies of interviews with other artists;
performances by ig and everyone else; a few press conferences; and lots
and lots of pictures... all yours for the downloading -- assuming you
have web access, which i know some folks do not have. my apologies if
you don't.)

+ here's what's there (ig interviews only), so you can pick and choose
(all are 1400 - 1800 kb):

aug 13 - scranton - recap - ig part one: emily on the making of sots

aug 15 - toronto - recap - ig part two: amy on signing with epic

aug 16 - toranto - recap - ig part three: amy on her relationship with
emily

aug 17 - montreal - recap - ig part four: emily on her relationship with
amy

aug 19 - milwaukee - recap - ig part five: emily on amy's improvisation

aug 20 - shakopee - recap - ig part six: amy on ambition

aug 22 - calgary - recap - ig part seven: amy on improvising during
performance

aug 22 - calgary - recap - ig part eight: [would not open]

well, this entire little adventure (incl this post) turned out to be
longer than i thought it would. my apologies to those w/o web access.
but at least it's full of igc!


ps: one more "but" ... i just a note from someone i sent it to in a zip,
who says that they can't hear any sound. (i sent it back to myself as a
bcc to test, and it worked fine.) i asked what version of quicktime
player and winzip they have in case there are compatiblity probs (qt
does have problems in that older versions of the program and player do
not play newer qt mov files correctly.) i have qt version 'play32.exe'
2.1.2.59 -- if yours vers is older than that, it may not work...
<sigh... grrr>

("oh, bother," said the bear of very little brain...)

peace health happiness  :o)
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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 16:18:32 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      re: text and html messages
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hey folks -

rick said:
> can we have something added to the faq asking listees to send out
> messages in text format only?

good idea, and something that completely slipped my mind when i
was updating the faq last time.

i don't have time to research this or go into a lot of details
right now, but there's some good info on the susan werner list
site - see http://www.voicenet.com/~charlies/msnhelp.htm
regarding how to turn off html formatting in netscape/
communicator, and about winmail.dat and ms-tnef files in
microsoft exchange and outlook... folks using these programs
should probably have at least a cursory look at this page.

sorry to be brief, i gotta get back to work!

:)
sherlyn
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sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au                  [sydney, australia]
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                                        - peter mulvey

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 01:30:05 -0500
reply-to:     greg flamer <gflame@megsinet.net>
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from:         greg flamer <gflame@megsinet.net>
subject:      nigc-anal spelling of sherlyn
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>it was an accident i promise, sherilyn.

this is so completely nit picky that i can't believe i am posting, but i
have to say that our dearest sherlyn spells her name s-h-e-r-l-y-n.  i
would never post such a thing but it has been misspelled so many times that
i could not sit still any longer.

sherlyn, not sherilyn or sherlynn or shirley-lynn or cherylyn or sherrlyn
or shhhhhherrrrlynnnn or shirlin or dave or bob or amy or emily or dar
(although the latter was debatable a year or so ago :).

greg, who clearly is way bored and must get back to alphabetizing his spice rack

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 02:44:15 edt
reply-to:     tunegal4 <tunegal4@aol.com>
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ok, for those of you who don't know my mother... lets just say she is a
character......
while working on the jcs video at some point, she watched the girls on
letterman and then called to ask me "who dressed your little friend"? (
referring to amy, who had on the strangest combination of clothing i think she
had ever seen.. if you saw them perform the song from the movie "philadelphia"
on letterman then you know what she is talking about.)
well mother's day is upon us and so i made a call to say hello.. the
conversation twisted through many areas, but one thing she asked me is if i
had heard about the cancellation of the " my little friends' " high school
concerts . ( i'm as stumped as anyone as to why she keeps calling them that..
but i digress) i of course assured her that i had, to which she replied,'"
well that's the silliest thing i have ever heard, someone needs to give those
people a good swift kick in the ......... ( you get the idea)
so, chalk one up for mom.. at least she knows good music ( and apparently high
fashion)

amusingly yours

emo
ps did i mention that hse also cuts out every newspaper article on any atlanta
musician and saves them for me for when i visit... she's a trip!!

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 17:29:18 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list...

-sherlyn
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sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au                  [sydney, australia]
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                                        - peter mulvey

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: sun, 10 may 1998 21:09:11 edt
from: pwboston@aol.com
to: ig-news@smoe.org
subject: wand reception/boston saturday


wand reception, boston 5/9/98

last night the indigo girls & winona laduke were honored for their efforts on
behalf of wand in the great hall at the massachusetts state house in boston.
it was a very special night!
i saw the girls entering the state house as i was driving around beacon hill
looking for a parking spot. decision: abandon
car in the middle of the road or search for legal parking space.
{boston note: if you can get there, you can't park there.}
i went for illegal parking space.
i need not have been conerned that i would miss an opportunity to meet the
girls.
the reception size was "intimate" & the girls greeted & spoke with everyone. i
talked with them several times & got autographs.
at one point emily was shaking so many hands she said she "felt like a
politician".  i replied that we could certainly use someone like her in
politics.
let me emphatically say that when you get an opportunity such as this with
such incredible access to speak & "mingle" with the girls you will absolutely,
positively not be able to come up with anything intelligent whatsoever to say!
all i could even think of was {but, thankfully, didn't say}
"i must really like you because i'm missing xena: warrior princess for this"
and "i know your music so well i can recite all your lyrics - backwards."
{note to self: brush up on conversational skills}

fashion notes: the incredible amy ray had a black leather jacket/faded jeans
ensemble working for her. excellent hair day. longer nails than expected.
outfit pulled together by
great smile.
     the always lovely emily saliers was sporting the brown work pants/ green
shirt look. she should never wear anything else but this shade of green with
her hair and eyes.
she "glowed". you wanted to walk up & hug her - & most people did!
the "girls" were just, well , so darn nice and well, gee, ok, i'll say it -
sweet.

the highlights of the evening were the speeches following the awards
presentations.
before last night i knew very little about winona laduke.
today i can't say enough about her!
winona laduke is an anishinaabe indian living with her two children on the
white earth reservation in minnesota.
in 1994 she was named one of america's top leaders under
40 by time magazine & she was ralph nader's running mate
in the 1996 presidential election.
attending the wand reception i wanted to help honor the indigo girls & also
hoped to meet my musical & "moral"
heroines as well.
i had not expected to be so moved & touched by the simple,
yet powerful, words and presence of winonna laduke.
laduke, a striking woman, spoke from her solid perspective
as a long-time activist, mother, indigenous woman,
political organizer and writer.
winonna laduke reminded us that "what we have is because
someone stood up before us".  and there lies the power of
laduke's simple message - issues and decisions, whether
they be enviromental, political or moral - are connected
and global and personal and intergenerational. "what we
have is because someone stood up before us". what our
children will have tomorrow is being decided today.
if we poison mother earth we poison our children and
the next generation and the next.....
but for me the most powerful statement was winnona laduke
herself.
i believe it was with no small measure of irony and triumph that this
spokeswoman against indignities committed against indigenous peoples was at
the historical massachusetts
state house to receive a leadership award from an
organization committed to empowering women & spoke
to an audience of political, savvy and very empowered women.

i can only hope that as winnona walked up the steps of the state house past
the (real) gold dome and walked past
200+ years of portraits of white male politicians who
began their "democracy" by disenfranchising indigenous
peoples and as she walked up to the podium in the
great hall to accept her leadership award, well, i hope
her step was a little lighter.

emily & amy accepting their awards -

first: they didn't sing.

amy - spoke about the past week as "hell week" for them
because of the homophobia that caused the cancellations
of some high school concerts. she was very moved by the
activism of the students at the schools. while speaking about
the "alternative" concerts they did she said it was "not
emily & i but the students... they created it".
amy spoke about the girls  committment to general
"left wing causes" and mentioned several times their
committment to gay rights.

{note: amy gave a great speech but i was too nervous to
write it down}

emily:  talked about how she became involved with wand
by attending a meeting with someone from emory & was
impressed by the diversity of the people involved with
wand.
  emily also spoke about the wand vice president from the
atlanta field office who had recently been in a car
accident and was in a coma. {sorry, didn't get name}
emily was visibly upset. she said she had spoken to
her a few days before the accident and they discussed
this woman's run for political office in georgia and how
she felt it was her "calling".
both amy & emily dedicated their awards to her. it was very moving.
{again, she gave a great speech but i was too nervous to
write it down.}

the indigo girls were announced as people who considered
themselves as activists first and pop singers second.
seeing the girls in this light only strengthens my
respect for them. they are not only incredibly gifted
musicians but caring, genuine people.
to the people responsible for the high school
cancellations - shame on you!

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 10:43:15 +0100
reply-to:     matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from:         matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject:      re: review: zapatista benefit - austin, tx - may 8th
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on sun, 10 may 1998, doolittle wrote:

[re: ricki lee jones]
>         her voice wasn't very strong either.  her voice cracked noticeably
> on several occasions. later she did some newer songs which also seemed to
> flop with the audience.  she did have a little girl (about 8 or 9) sitting
> onstage with her, and i presume it was her daughter.  they both left the
> stage after the initial set and ricki lee jones did not return for an encore.
>         then a&e came out and introduced a women from mexico (sorry, don't
> remember her name) and she gave a gripping speech about the situation in
> chiapas in both english and spanish.  at then end of about a 20 minute talk,
> she had the crowd shouting together, "viva la zapatista, viva la zapatista!".

this is quite often the case with lesser-known acts who play in support to
another act.   a few years ago mary-chapin carpenter played in london with
lucinda williams in support;  i heard williams sing part of her song
"passionate kisses" with carpenter, and she sounded terrible, and the
reviews said that her support slot deteriorated throughout, probably
because the audience just wasn't interested.   i've heard people say that
ferron wasn't too good when she supported ig either (and on that evening
she messed up closer to fine, which didn't go down too well).

mat

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 07:30:28 -0400
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pooh wrote:

> the question was....
> is it the fact that amy ...for lack of a better way to phase this,
> according to russell carter in one particular article....tends to
> reactes before she thinks...what draws you amy fans to her?
>
> is her explosive , in yer face personality the
> thing that draws her to you..the react first, think later  way she
> deals with the world the "turn on" ( musically)..
>
> just wondering...

her intensity -- deep, dark, gorgeous and brooding -- which can suddenly
become charming, smiley, playful, even silly  -- and the confident,
almost arrogant, swaggering stage presence -- which contradicts her
over-reaching, bellowing groaning voice -- at first pleading -- then
finally commanding "listen to me"... "look at me" ..."listen to what i'm
saying"... "i'm figuring out something important here"... "learn it with
me"... "i can show you how"... "want it with me"... "need it with me"...

that's what draws me to her... (oops!)... oh,umm... *musically*?
musically?... what draws... hmmm... i dunno... never thought about it...

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in a message dated 98-05-10 09:40:46 edt, you write:

<< f i didn't know indigo girls, amy, emily and i saw "a + e = ig"
on someone's car i would think it's math equation, a political
statement or something not at all related to music. >>

of course, it's obscurity is the thing i like about the equation! people who
are already fans will get it, and those who aren't will ask about it and then
we can start a dialogue about the girls.  i've started putting it at the end
of my program bios and it works just that way!

peace,

pam

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 07:21:50 -0700
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i got an indigo girls bumper sticker at last years ig concert at the pier in
seattle... but finances being as they are for this newly seperated + on her
own gal, i'm driving a wee lil' ol beat up looking 78 toyota corrolla. it's
four on the floor + fun to drive, but yikes... i don't wanna put the sticker
on *that*... tssk, poor advertising:-) one day when i drive a newish
truck... lol!!
peace all... kim ( feeling silly cause she's ashamed of her beater, yet
loves it too )
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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 07:41:29 -0700
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pikced up this week's isue of entertainment weekly for the bus
ride to work today.  havent gotten through muhc of it yet
but...

there is a regular feature called the hot sheet (pge 12) where
this guy makes a list of all the buzz news for teh week with some
appropriate comment along with.   ig come in at #12:

indigo girls: a south carolina high school wouldn't let them
perform because they're gay.  of course, usually they just
sing during concerts.

the mag has ben affleck and liv tyler on the cover, if
you want to look for it.

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taurus

guard against any form of carelessness on the job today and be extra
careful around machinery as there exists the possibility of a small
accident that being alert can prevent. this is not a good day to
volunteer for extra work because you may take on more than you can
handle and all your projects would suffer because of it.

happy birthday to the following!!


may 11 ('80)
wind80@aol.com (ilana deutsch)
"i am intense, i am in need, i am in pain, i am in love"

may 14 ('74)
sguarnieri@vmsvax.simmons.edu (shanya)
"it's only life after all"

may 16 ('75)
cybertech3@mindspring.com (jeremiah dooley)


if you would like to be added to the birthday list, please email me at
joanne.cusick@cexp.com.  send your birthday and, if you want, a cute
little quote thingy, and i'll stick you on the list.


"you thought that you were the bomb, yes, well so did i,"
tori amos

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 09:48:31 -0700
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ok i'm flooded.

my gf is visiting me in 39 days (yay yay yay i am so
excited!) and so my question is this.....anyone
living in the twin cities or around the twin cities
or wherever or anyone who's visited....do y'all have
any parks/shows/things/etc that you love about
minneapolis for me to show her?

we're gonna hafta be outta the house alot because my
mom doesn't wanna see me kissing anyone.  and i don't
want my brother to see me kissing her!

k, thanks,
amanda

ps anyone else going to mpls pride email me too.   :)

ps so email privately and yeah flame flame whatever.


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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 13:01:50 -0500
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so, pooh was wondering why the amy people are drawn to amy...

well, here is my $242.00 worth.....


i love amy's raw passion.  i love the fact that with her emotions do
come forth so freely.  i mean, i am the same way in many aspects of my
life.  i say what i feel, what i think, and i guess in a way i identify
with amy.  she definitely wears her heart on her sleeve.  when amy gets
pissed off, she does show her feelings.  there are no flowers and frills
with her; no beautiful poetry and sweet ways of saying things.  she just
says it!  she has her own brand of poetry, one that speaks with truth
and raw intensity.  she laughs loudly, curses when strings break, and
loses her patience when the guitar isn't in tune....she is real....and
that is what i admire most.

besides that, she had a voice that can penetrate, give goosebumps, and
make women *and* men sigh with passion.....

and that is all i have to say.....

peace-
karrie

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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 02:11:40 -0600
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subject:      karla faye tucker

ok, so i was browsing through some of my back issues of new yorker
magazine.  in the february 9, 1998 issue there is an extensive article
called "the good bad girl" about karla faye tucker written by her
biographer beverly lowry.  (no igc).

it's a very good article.... but i'm still trying to make up my mind as
to how i feel about the death penalty.

l'sly

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a special little ellen degeneres nigc tv times update:

tue 12 may cnn 9-10 pm et  larry king live  guest: ellen degeneres

wed 13 may abc 9-10 pm et  ellen    *series* finale: a parody -
                                    "ellen: a hollywood tribute"

tue 19 may nbc 8-9 pm et   mad about you  season finale (2 episodes)
                                          ellen: guest on 2nd show


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i know there are lots of different discussions on the list right now, but,
would some one please, please, please e-mail me privately about the mwmf....i
posted about it last week asking for someone to e-mail me privately about some
questions i have and some other things....and not one person has...please
don't make me beg....i know there must be someone willing to help a fellow
listee and ig lover out.

--thanks and hoping someone will help me out here :-)
--trish
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i picked up the lilith fair cd over the weekend...(along with tori's new
one wow!)
and i was very impressed with patty griffin!!! are there any fans of
hers around here? i want to know some stuff before i got buy a whole
cd..but i was very impressed..also, i'm not a big paula cole fan but
"mississippi" rocks...

*sigh* i haven't got through any of my mail from yesterday or today.. i
don't know why i thought it would be so cool to make my own webring! :p
i'm kickin myself for that one...

lamia


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i'm sorry to see we're surrounded by hate, hate, hate.
when i go to sleep at night, i can still pray,
does it make you hate me?
because when you hate me, i can still love you."
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hkf's,

maybe it's just because i don't watch vh-1 enough, but today seemed to be
a good morning for the girls and their friends. all in the space of an
hour, there was a reference to ig when they were giving five facts about
vonda shepherd (along with a very short little clip of them, maybe from
the shame on you video?). then, they played the video for the ally mcbeal
theme song. then, on the news update, they had a little bit about the show
in south carolina and some shots of the kids at the walk-out, followed by
a very vibrant-looking emily commenting on the whole situation.
(unfortunately, i was so shocked to actually see her on tv, i didn't catch
most of what she said, so if anyone else caught it, let me know.) on an
ani note, shortly after the news update, they did a short album review on
matchbox-20, but for the intro to it, they played the beginning of "shy".

just thought y'all might be interested. certainly brightened my first day
of finals week.

still looking for the ever elusive soy video,
amy m.

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yesterday as i was driving with my 15 y.o., radio dial set to her
station, the song blister in the sun came on.  i became very exited and
said "i have a tape of the indigo girls doing this song.  who does this
version"? jackie said it was the violent femmes, then said "the igs are
cool for singing a vf song"  i said, "yes, the girls are cool but the
vf's are cool too because the ig's chose to bestow coolness on them by
virtue of performing blister in the sun. . . finally, we're in
agreement  on something. :)
elaine

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a small correction: amy was _not_ wearing faded jeans, she was wearing
light blue polyester pants.  sorry if this bursts anyone's bubble, but
the baigls in attendance can vouch for this. ;)

peace,
fran from winthrop

pwboston@aol.com wrote:
> fashion notes: the incredible amy ray had a black leather jacket/faded
> jeans
> ensemble working for her. excellent hair day. longer nails than
> expected.
> outfit pulled together by great smile.
>

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hey y'all. i was thinking the other day about the girls and concerts. my
question to you is this: are there any songs that you know of that the
girls have never performed live? (this is mostly for the long-time fans!) i
wasn't a fan when rites of passage came out, but did emily actually include
airplane on her setlist?? anyway, thank you in advance you for help. take
care!
                                                        christy :)

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hey all! i was just wondering what you thought of the song play it again sam
written by emily back when she was a sophomore in college, i believe. i have a
boot of it, and i recently got the lyrics off the lifeblood site. i think that
the lyrics are really great, even if they aren't as metaphoric, etc. as in her
later songs. i don't know, i just think that i can relate well to them,
especially the second verse (about drinking whiskey even though uou don't want
to, "dressing in obligations", speaking just to say stuff, etc.
i don't know. tell me what you think,
anna

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in a message dated 98-05-10 23:14:06 edt, wmntime@aol.com writes:

<< << they didn't play chickenman or closer to fine, >>

huh?  the girls didn't play closer to fine?  this has to be a first.
  >>
yea thats why it sucked!!  i was really dissapointed cost me $40 too!
val

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hey all, i'm one of those people who's always out there trying to find some
new  band, some new musical sound, some really great talent.  the ig applying
to the latter two.  i had gotten free tix to a multi performerance concert for
last saturday night.  the band i was there for is called sister 7.  i think i
posted about anyone here in austin wanting to go cuz i had an extra ticket. (
i found someone)  --but anyway there is a point to this.  the lead singers
name is patrice pike.  and i could go on forever here about her but i'll just
sum it up and say she kicks some ass!!!  this girl is really cool.  she has an
incredible voice.  the band is really hard to classify,  they do a little
rock, a little folk, a little hip hop.  very, very cool.  i'm big into
supporting my local artists.  these guys are great, they really love thier
audience and do great shows.  their latest cd is called this the trip.  you
should check them out, pick up their cd.  i know we all have good musical
tastes ( although mine are kind of odd sometimes) but i know alot of you would
really get a kick out of patrice. they might be coming to your town, they're
doing a tour right now.  if your interested or if there's some of you who've
heard of them drop me a note!
val
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understand, well everythings meant to be broken, i just want you to know who i
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>
> date:    mon, 11 may 1998 12:30:15 pdt
> from:    adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
> subject: nigc: patty griffin
>
> and i was very impressed with patty griffin!!! are there any fans of
> hers around here? i want to know some stuff before i got buy a whole
> cd..but i was very impressed..

====================
me me me.  i'm a fan!!  patty griffin is awesome!  i can't say enough in
praise of her.  raw energy and passion - a strong, clear, voice - she
rocks!  her cd that is out now is called "living with ghosts - an all
acoustic cd - just patty and her guitar.  her release that's expected
out in june is patty with a backing band - a very "plugged in" sound,
but very, very good. e-mail me if you want more info.
elaine

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hi.  could someone please tell me the known tour dates for the next
month or so?  thank you soooooo much.

sharon

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hope this hasnt already been sent
                  with  love, and all things indigo

                                always,
                                   jeanette
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                everything that i believe is wrong with you
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                everything i truly love, i love in you and
                            i love in me
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boston globe, may 11, 1998
box 2378,boston,ma,02107
(fax 617-929-2098)(e-mail: letter@globe.com)(http://www.boston.com/globe)

the indigo girls discover it's sometimes warmer in the north
by globe staff

  the crowd was full of 20-something women and teenagers toting cameras at
the women's action for new directions reception at the state house
saturday. the younger guests came to meet this year's wand honorees, indigo
girls emily saliers and amy ray, who were recognized with activist winona
laduke for their efforts to raise awareness about the dangers of
transporting nuclear waste. saliers and ray took a break from their touring
schedule to make the reception, where guests included wand president
barbara hildt, wand executive director susan shaer and supporters sayre
sheldon, eleanor lecain, and peggy kerry. last week, four high schools in
the south canceled free shows by the indigo girls, in part because parents
objected that both women are lesbians. saturday ray said the controversy
left her impressed by the teenagers' activism. ''we saw these students
protesting this and walking out and getting signatures and we rescheduled
the shows. we didn't create this. they created the media frenzy. it wasn't
emily and i,'' she said.

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> i laugh when i watch the uptown lounge tape where the first song is closer to
> fine!  they've come a long way...
>
> incidentally, i love the closer to fine video!!!  amy in that leather jacket.
> wow.  there are no words :)

i have a few questions about ig videos...i've seen but do not own the live at the
uptown lounge video.  does anyone know where i can get this?  or is it one of
those videos that you can copy and it won't look all funny (ya know, static and
lines...)

i remember hearing that there is a compilation video of ig music videos.  i have
not been able to see a single one of their videos and would love to see them.
especially the closer to fine video mentioned above.  what is the name of this
video and does anyone know where can i find it?

also, i asked about getting copies of blue food and colour me grey...however i
forgot to add that i also would like a copy of tuesdays children.

if anyone can help me with any of these things, please email me.  sorry to ask
for so much, but i've been having amy withdrawls lately.  =)  =)

sharon

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for more interesting discussion and articles on various religions and
their stances on "hot topics", visit http://www.religioustolerance.org
it's a canadian site that seems to be really large and interesting...

and if i typed in the wrong url, there is a good link to it on my
site... *wink, wink**nudge, nudge*

peace,
amy

visit me on the web!! http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7728


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got the latest issue (may '98) of "atlanta" magazine (varsity turns 70).
there's a great photo of the igs (first epic release timeframe) - full
page (pg. 147) - at the beginning of the "a list" (where to go/what to
do). the caption reads they'll be performing at the music midtown
festival. it's a photo i haven't seen before (and no, i don't have a
scanner). amy's in the corner in a black t-shirt in the ripped jeans with
the boots with the silver toes. emily in a white shirt/jeans and doc
martens(?). amy's looking straight ahead at the camera, emily's looking
off towards her right.  looks like it was taken around the same time as
the photos in the ig songbook.

nancy humphries
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hkfs-

okay, rawkin traci loth sent a note to nettwerk telling them that the ig
part 8 interview on the calgary 97 recap page didn't work. and they
fixed it... *but*... (one of those big, nasty "buts" again!)... it's
*not* amy talking about her religious beliefs... it's just emily talking
about working with women (i don't ever remember seeing this one before).
so, i thought that meant that the amy / religion mov was gone -- and
sent traci a sad, little note. so, she says -- hey, i'll just tell them
and maybe they'll fix it. so... then a while later... welp... her face
was red... which meant that my face was about to get even redder...

the amy on religion clip was hiding at lilith97 all along... and i do
mean hiding... you *can't* get there from the 'dates' page, cuz it's
from the last recap (makes *no* sense to me) -- you can *only* get to it
from the main lilith97 page:
<http://lilith.excite.com/lilith97/index2.html> -- and then clicking on
the 2nd paragraph about vancouver!  <grrrrr>

and there under interviews on the left is:

ig part nine: amy on her religious beliefs

ig part ten: emily on her religious beliefs

go see, have fun, knock yourselves out... (meanwhile, i'll try learn to
refrain from volunteering...!)

my ray:  "my spirituality really does exist in nature. and i don't...
i'm not a christian. so... umm... for me that's the extent of how i can
explain it. and, for both emily and i, it's a big part of our lives, and
we feel a stronger pull... you know, on us from unknown powers and we
try to follow it. and... umm... you know, what drives us probably more
than anything is our spiritual attachment to that."

emily:  "i grew up christian as well. i don't believe that you have to
believe in christ to be saved and all that stuff, and that christianity
is the true faith. so, in that sense, technically, i'm not a true
christian. but, i believe that the teachings of jesus... i mean, what he
did was -- he hung out with diverse folks, you know... with whores and
sinners and people of the cloth or whatever and people of different race
-- and that's... that epitomizes, like... perfect human relationship,
you know... umm... the blessings of diversity."

[sorry, but i am now officially out of the 1.5 mb mov file email
attachment business. i don't wanna p.o. my isp any more, and there have
been 2 problems with the audio -- i don't know why yet -- no one with
the audio problem has told me what version of qt 'play32.exe' they have
-- that might make a difference. altho, it might have to do with their
systems using activemovie to play qt... whatever... ]

later-
:o)
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from:    old man mean legs <alex4377@fredonia.edu>
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hey everyone! this might be the dumbest question in the world but, hey,
why not ask it>>> does anyone know a denomination of chrisianity
(bible-based, jesus lovin, etc...) that can believes that premarital sex
isn't a sin if it's out of love, or caring, and is responsible??
this is probably a dumb question but i'm just wondering...any group that
can interpret that allows us to make some of our own choices dumb or
intelligent without labeling it a sin and letting us deal with our own
consequences, positive or negative??

email me privately or post it...i'd be interested...

-greg =]

why yessss greg. its called "the church of susan b". we take
everyone....all orientations, belief systems, and libidos.

but we prefer punk rockers

bwa!

sus
ps gregm seriosuly, if you find anything out about this write me!

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hello. who is this michelle malone person? i keep hearing her name
mentioning in posts but i do not know who she is. is she a girlfriend of
amy or emily? please help me.

emilio

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last week, four high schools in
>the south canceled free shows by the indigo girls, in part because
parents
>objected that both women are lesbians.
wait a second...did i miss a fourth school?  or was it really only 3?
hmmm.....
love,
  ~carol~

d- world destruction
over an overture
n- do i need
apostrophe
t- need this torture
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a church!  a chruch??? oh my godessness!

there was the billboard on
> interstate 70 sponsored by a local church that
said, "homosexuality:  the
> #1 reason to keep guns legal."


===
feminism is the radical idea that womyn are people.

---"lance s. longwell"  wrote:
there was the billboard on
> interstate 70 sponsored by a local church that
said, "homosexuality:  the
> #1 reason to keep guns legal."

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i  am a moravian.  the moravians escaped duress in the 1700's in europe and
settled in winston-salem, bethlehem and my hometown lititz pa.  our founder
was burned at the stake by catholics who did not want him preaching parts of
the bible that were not approved by catholisism.  we are christians.

our belief lies in our motto.

in essentials unity.
in nonessentials understanding.
in all things love.

essential= belief in jesus
nonessential=anything you don't understand.  (for me its most of the bible)
love=the "new" commandment jesus taught.

the moravian mission is to spread the word.  we are very strong in 3rd world
countries, very mission oriented.  there are more moravians in africa than
in america.

we frown upon nothing.  not premarital sex, abortion, homosexuality,
whatever.  as long as you share the belief in jesus and his teachings of
love.

peace,   karen

(who goes to a church that welcomes everyone no matter what as long as they
love jesus and believe he is the saviour.)

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on mon, 11 may 1998, emilio hellerman wrote:

> hello. who is this michelle malone person? i keep hearing her name
> mentioning in posts but i do not know who she is. is she a girlfriend of
> amy or emily? please help me.

   imagine emily's guitar expertise.  great jazz stuff, intricate
fingerpicking.  got that?  good.
   now, imagine amy's guitar power.  roaring massive distorted power
chords more reminiscent of, say, pete townsend, than bob dylan.
   you follow me up till here?
   right.  now, take melissa etheridge's explosively ragged vocals, toss
in a bit of sheryl crow huskiness, and for good measure, the smoothness of
some of the old jazz performers.
   for good measure, throw in some damn good songwriting, and the sort of
stage presence and energy that even the indigo girls are hard-pressed to
match.
   add harmonica.  stir.
   be prepared to wet your pants.

   her newest (and most accessible) release is "beneath the devil moon".
you won't be disappointed.

   darius

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all christians are not david duke followers.  that is like saying all
blacks are white hating people or all white people are kkk....do not
allow the actions of a few loud people spoil your confidence in the
whole christianity.

amanda wrote:

> a church!  a chruch??? oh my godessness!
>
>  there was the billboard on
> > interstate 70 sponsored by a local church that
> said, "homosexuality:  the
> > #1 reason to keep guns legal."
>
> ===
> feminism is the radical idea that womyn are people.
>
> ---"lance s. longwell"  wrote:
>  there was the billboard on
> > interstate 70 sponsored by a local church that
> said, "homosexuality:  the
> > #1 reason to keep guns legal."
>
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in a message dated 98-05-11 21:29:21 edt, emilioh98@hotmail.com writes:

<< hello. who is this michelle malone person? i keep hearing her name
mentioning in posts but i do not know who she is. is she a girlfriend of
amy or emily? please help me. >>

michelle malone is a singer-songwriter who's also from the atlanta area. she's
played with & co-written tunes with the girls in the past. (most notably, "i
don't wanna know" from strange fire)

she rocks like no other!!! ;)

peace,
rick
http://members.aol.com/rbsayre/cheese.html

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> imagine emily's guitar expertise.  great jazz stuff, intricate
> fingerpicking.  got that?  good.
>    now, imagine amy's guitar power.  roaring massive distorted power
> chords more reminiscent of, say, pete townsend, than bob dylan.
>    you follow me up till here?
>    right.  now, take melissa etheridge's explosively ragged vocals, toss
> in a bit of sheryl crow huskiness, and for good measure, the smoothness of
> some of the old jazz performers.
>    for good measure, throw in some damn good songwriting, and the sort of
> stage presence and energy that even the indigo girls are hard-pressed to
> match.
>
don't forget to add sarah's soprano....

awesome cd!!!

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in a message dated 98-05-11 22:29:41 edt, you write:

<< a church!  a chruch??? oh my godessness!

  there was the billboard on
> interstate 70 sponsored by a local church that
said, "homosexuality:  the
> #1 reason to keep guns legal." >>

and there's the one on interstate 110 sponsored by marcus pointe baptist
church... the background is a rainbow but the colors are not all there, and
they're all mixed up.  and the letters are in white, reading "gay used to mean
happy."

augh!

peace, harmony and indigo,

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in a message dated 98-05-11 20:02:18 edt, you write:

<< i remember hearing that there is a compilation video of ig music videos.  i
have
not been able to see a single one of their videos and would love to see them.
especially the closer to fine video mentioned above.  what is the name of
this
video and does anyone know where can i find it? >>

the video compilation is called watershed, 10 years of underground indigo.  i
love it!!!  you could probably find watershed and uptown lounge at any of the
big chains--tower, hmv, virgin.  watershed is an incredible videotape...i love
watching amy in that closer to fine video, but she also looks good in
galileo...oh, both of them look good in all of the videos!!!

watershed doesn't consist of just videos.  there are a couple of concert
scenes and the girls also talk a little. i haven't watched it in awhile
because i don't want to get burnt out on the girls but i think it's time for
another viewing :)

wmntime

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on mon, 11 may 1998, karen frey wrote:

> > imagine emily's guitar expertise.  great jazz stuff, intricate
> > fingerpicking.  got that?  good.
> >    now, imagine amy's guitar power.  roaring massive distorted power
> > chords more reminiscent of, say, pete townsend, than bob dylan.
> >    you follow me up till here?
> >    right.  now, take melissa etheridge's explosively ragged vocals, toss
> > in a bit of sheryl crow huskiness, and for good measure, the smoothness of
> > some of the old jazz performers.
> >    for good measure, throw in some damn good songwriting, and the sort of
> > stage presence and energy that even the indigo girls are hard-pressed to
> > match.
> >
> don't forget to add sarah's soprano....

   well, i would've, but had to stop and send the message to wipe the
drool off the keyboard which always forms anytime i start talking about
michelle...

> awesome cd!!!

   i can't agree more.

   darius

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a. hall from santa clara... i need to speak with you about your bootlegs!
email me asap.

peace, harmony and indigo,

tigger, high priestess of amyism (ndygotiggr@aol.com)
  -  novitiate of suzanneglassism
    -  president, grlchasr26 fan club
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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 23:42:43 edt
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  you could probably find watershed and uptown lounge at any of the
>big chains--tower, hmv, virgin.
hey...if you just want to see it...check a big library or library chain.
i was at the library & did a search on ig & found they have the
videos....
love,
  ~carol~

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 00:39:07 -0500
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recent list posts state:

>
>   there was the billboard on interstate 70 sponsored by a local church that
>  said, "homosexuality:  the #1 reason to keep guns legal."

and

> and there's the one on interstate 110 sponsored by marcus pointe baptist
> church... the background is a rainbow but the colors are not all there, and
> they're all mixed up.  and the letters are in white, reading "gay used to mean
> happy."


i want to know where the hell these are........

i smell protest.....


karrie, who is starting to froth at the mouth at the idea of soapboxing
and lobbying....


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date:         mon, 11 may 1998 23:42:55 -0500
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hey all--

one really great place to find both ig's videos, as well as michelle
malone's cd, ig's songbooks, and other treasures is the ladyslipper
catalog. you can find this at http://www.ladyslipper.org (and be prepared
to wipe the drool from your keyboard, 'cause they have a lot of great
stuff). ladyslipper is a catalog of music by women, with an incredible
range & variety of stuff that you do want. :-) they're also really cool
people and when i've ordered from them the service has been excellent.

-anne, so far behind on email these days she might actually drown in it

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hey y'all. . .

just thought i'd inform you all--at whoever's invitation, i visited that
"god hates fags" site, and was intensely disturbed by what i saw.  kkk
everywhere, etc.

i saw that they had an email address, and emailed them with the message,
"may god forgive you for what you are doing."  they responded with a string
of unrelated, taken-out-of-context scriptures, saying the end of the world
is at hand and that sodomists ruled america, blah, blah.  so i just slammed
them with i corinthians 13 and matthew 23 (look them up, i'm sure you'll
find the significance! :) ).

anyway, my point is, these people need to be held accountable for what they
are doing to other humans!  visit their site and email them--it's like the
buffalo thing at all the honor the earth concerts where they asked us to
fill out those cards.  pestering ignorant people like this makes a
difference, especially when it's more than a few people.  it just makes me
so sick that these people are getting away with bullshit like this--i just
feel a real need to challenge them.

http://www.godhatesfags.com

that's it, no more soapbox. . .

shannon

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in a message dated 98-05-11 22:29:54 edt, you write:

<< all christians are not david duke followers.  that is like saying all
blacks are white hating people or all white people are kkk....do not
allow the actions of a few loud people spoil your confidence in the
whole christianity. >>

yeah, i think the response of christians to the high school performances of
the indigo girls is clearly wrong.  it is a shame to see this hypocrisy in
christendom, but it is nothing new.  as a believer in christ, i am often
dissapointed by his followers.  still, i look to the example and sacrifice in
the life of christ for guidance, not the christian right.  christ only
exemplifies compassion, forgiveness and a love for humanity.  since i affirm
the deity of christ, i believe he was god in a human body.  therefore, we see
in christ that god chose to spend his time on earth with those who were
considered "sinners" and the outcasts who were stigmatized by society.  many
believers follow this example, reacting in compassion and acceptance to all
people.  the body of christian believers that exists in our world is diverse
and needs to be seen in the broadest sense.  grouping people together and
making moral judgments about their character based on experiences with a few
of its members is not helpful.  just because the christian right is neither
doesn't mean that all christians are a part of it.
-andy

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with all this talk of indigo girls and christianity, i am reminded of some
words...

mercenaries of the shrine, now who are you to speak for god?  with haughty
eyes and lying tongues, and hands that shed innocent blood.  who delivered you
the power to interpret calvary? you gamble away our freedom to gain your own
authority....


--kate

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sorry everyone about this message...it is to victoria (or veronica?) tom
about the slam! boot.  please mail me with your address.  thanks so
much! :)

--kelly s

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hey folks,

yet another article from sonicnet (http://www.sonicnet.com)...

-sherlyn

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aclu defends suspended pro-indigo girls high-schoolers

civil-rights organization joins seven other advocacy groups in
denouncing concert cancellations.

contributing editor randy reiss reports:

the columbia, s.c., chapter of the american civil liberties union has
stepped in to offer legal defense and advice to five irmo high school
students who protested the school's cancellation of an indigo girls
concert due to the folk-rock duo's homosexuality.

the students were given eight-day suspensions following a class walkout
last thursday.

meanwhile, seven other advocacy groups -- the national campaign for
freedom of expression; the massachusetts music industry coalition; the
national coalition against censorship; rock out censorship; artists for
a hate-free america; the new england free expression network; and the
boston coalition for freedom of expression -- released a statement on
friday that condemned the cancellations and praised the students who
protested the action.

"the students should be learning that the freedom of expression is the
cornerstone of our nation's democracy," said david greene, program
director of the national campaign for freedom of expression. "but
sadly, the school leaders are demonstrating instead that the students'
and the performers' fundamental liberties may be thoughtlessly
disregarded."

the aclu, a civil liberties organization, was approached by a parent
of one of the students on thursday, according to carl a. "andy" brumme
iii, aclu staff counsel in columbia, s.c. this happened after
protesting students were held in a school conference room for two
hours, pending administrators' investigation of the protest and
contact with parents and guardians.

when principal gerald witt distributed eight-day suspensions to the
students, as well as five others, the aclu took an even bigger interest
in the case, claiming that the school was going above and beyond its
standard policies on tardiness and skipping class, brumme said. "the
principal had spoken with [local newspaper] the state and told them
that students who participated in the walkout would serve a three-hour
detention on saturday," he explained. "after about a half-hour of their
protest, the students were asked by a teacher, 'don't you think it's
time to get back to class?', and they replied that they were not ready,
that they still had some things to discuss."

at this point, according to brumme, the students were allegedly led
into a conference room where they were held for two hours without being
able to contact their parents. "when the principal told them they were
being suspended for eight days for disobeying a teacher," brumme
continued, "they were shocked."

according to district 5 school board spokeswoman jane rish, the high
school marks students tardy if they miss the first 10 minutes of class.
after 20 minutes, they are marked absent and given a saturday detention.
"we are following our district guidelines with these students," rish
explained, "but the problem is they fall into four or five different
categories of discipline."

though all 10 students were officially suspended for disobeying a
teacher, district 5 school board spokesman buddy price said on friday
that some students may also have been suspended for disrupting the
educational process. five of the suspended students have yet to accept
the support of the aclu.

according to irmo high school policy, students who are suspended have a
chance to appeal the decision in a face-to-face meeting with their
parents and the principal. rish and brumme said that these meetings took
place monday and that principal witt seems to have held his ground. the
next step, should the students elect to appeal the decision, is a meeting
with a district hearing officer. should the suspensions remain in place,
brumme said, the aclu is prepared to file suit against the school.

"i've communicated numerous times with the school's attorney, and their
position is that it's a discipline issue and not a first amendment
issue," brumme explained. "at the moment, i'm trying to get a temporary
restraining order against these suspensions, to put them back in classes
while this process is going on."

if the suspensions hold, brumme added, the aclu will file suit on behalf
of the students to collect damages and attorneys' fees. "these students
thought they were going to get detentions, and they are willing to serve
them," brumme said. "these suspensions, however, are a violation of the
first, fourth and 14th amendments, mainly against freedom of speech and
assembly."

at farragut high school in knoxville, tenn., where three students were
given three-day suspensions following their involvement in similar indigo
girls-related protests, teacher and concert organizer jeff callahan
resigned as advisor for the school's student newspaper, the crow's nest.
the concert was called off at this school soon after administrators
learned of the irmo cancellation. however, in this case, the principal
cited the band's use of vulgarities in their lyrics -- rather than their
sexuality -- as the impetus for the cancellation.

"i think the decision speaks for itself," callahan said. "but i do want
to add that this fiasco with the indigo girls was not the reason why [i
resigned]. my decision involved other things." callahan did concede,
though, that farragut principal edwin hedgepeth's last-minute
cancellation of the concert was "the straw which broke the camel's
back."

leslie aldridge of the shagg network, the organization that booked the
indigo girls' controversial swing through high schools and universities
in the south, agreed with the assessment of the situation by green, of
the national campaign for freedom of expression. stating that she hadn't
really anticipated such a controversy to erupt, aldridge said she felt
that the educators in this case are doing their students a disservice.

"the fact that an amazing talent like the indigo girls was willing to do
this on their own dime was an incredible gesture of goodwill and an
opportunity for kids to be in touch with artists," aldridge said. "i
understand the conservative political climate, but i think we missed out
on an incredible educational opportunity."


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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 07:20:13 -0400
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hi folks-

well, i stepped into it good, i guess... i'm sorry... but...
for those who didn't notice it... or haven't seen it yet... i will *not*
be mailing any more 1.5 mb mov files. i don't think it's really cool to
do that to my isp... and they tolerate a lot from me... time on-line and
recently 2 different people sent me mail attachments of more than 3 mb
and 4 mb each...

a couple of listers asked if i could transcribe a few more of the 10 ig
lilith fair 97 interviews... my first thought was "*ha*, riiiight" --
but then i woke up in the middle of the night and decided... why not...
sitting here listening and scribbling down every a&e "umm" and "you
know"... studying their little faces... for a couple of hours... it
wasn't so bad, really. <grin> now, i'm doing the not-so-fun part --
typing them.

so, some time today or tonight, i'll be posting the transcriptions of
all 10 of the lilith 97 ig interviews, in one or 2 posts (depending how
long it is). definitely *not* nigc or a waste of band-width.

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 07:28:59 -0400
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hi jillian,

glad you wrote. you are right about moravian/lutheran similarities.  a bulk of
our members are ex catholics, but there are also quite a few ex lutherans.  it
seems that there is so much love exuding from our members, that once you step
through the doors of our church, you want to keep coming back.

love feast is awesome.  just a simple sharing of a small meal with your brothers
and sisters, its so neat.  i sing in the choir (well i used too...haven't been
to practice for about a year) and we sing during the feast.  after the service,
the deiners always have coffee and buns waiting for us in the preperation (sp?)
room.

i just wish i could invite everyone who believes that all christians are gay
hating blond hair blue eye loving people to just one christmas love feast or any
service really, and let them see what real christians are all about.

peace,   karen

ps jillian, i didn't post your response as respect to you, however, you should
let the others know how you feel.  we are always looking for new people to make
god's church stronger.

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 11:00:18 +0100
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hi

i sent a us dollar cheque in the sum of $35 to the indigo girls fan club
c/o russell carter artist management, 315 west ponce de leon avenue,
ste. 755 decatur, georgia 30030 for "shaming of the sun" poster, "swamp
ophelia" poster and indigo girl bumper stickers  on the 7th march 1998
and as yet have received nothing back.

can you help me trace my order, i have tried to get a telephone number
to call direct but to no avail.
thanking you in advance for you help.
please reply to -: beverley.samuels@bull.co.uk
stazie hyslop

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sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but this is to everyone who's supposed to
be getting tuesday's children from me.  my copy got lost on the road to
dickenson, but i'm getting a new one next week.

so basically, don't worry, you will get your copy, just not as soon as i'd
hoped.  i'll be doing nothing but dubbing all day next friday and saturday,
so all of you that i owe, you'll get your stuff very soon!

thanks,

shannon

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i am so freaking out!!!
i might get to go to the lilith fair in san francisco!!!! since i
despise this town and my parents took ohio away from me (assholes)
they're making it up to me by letting me go stay with my cousin in san
fran!! and she wants to go to lilith but none of her friends wanted to
*shreiking* so i may get to see the girls!!!!

*happy dancing*

lamia

"i'm tired of you trying to teach when you should be learning.
i'm sorry to see we're surrounded by hate, hate, hate.
when i go to sleep at night, i can still pray,
does it make you hate me?
because when you hate me, i can still love you."
-amy ray

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lilith fair 97 -- indigo girl interview transcripts (#1)
               parts one - five

transcribed from quicktime movie interview clips with ig
made during lilith fair 1997 from the lilith 97 web site.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from: + <http://lilithfair.excite.com/lilith97/index2.html>
      + 'dates'
      + '[date-cityname]'
      + '[cityname] recap'

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the scene: all clips from the same shoot. outside, bright
           sunny day, sitting on a grassy hillside under
           some shady trees. (date/city ?)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('august 13 - scranton')

ig part one: emily on the making of sots

emily: "amy and i sort of took the reigns and produced it with
david [leonard]. so that was different. also... experimenting
with a lot of different instruments that we hadn't played
before -- bass, banjo and mandolin... bouzouki, different
electric guitars, different amps, piano -- umm... so... it...
was much nore experimental in that way. but also, much more
free... like... we didn't feel that... anything was holding us
back from just running around the studio... and trying
different things... and... one thing is that that's a luxury,
you know... we had a big enough budget to allow us to do that."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('august 15 - toronto i')

ig part two: amy on signing with epic

amy: "for me... i felt like... we would do an independent
record, if we couldn't get a deal, but we would only take a
deal if it didn't compromise anything about what we were doing.
and, i just... i felt tired... honestly... from the amount of
work... that we were doing... and... and... [film cut] epic
came along, and... offered us... you know... a very good
situation. they support our... umm... politics... umm...
they've never asked us to compromise on anything."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('august 16 - toronto ii')

ig part three: amy on her relationship with emily

amy: "i mean we've known each other since we were about nine.
we're good communicators, and we respect each other and we're
different, and we have different ways... umm... of handling
our value systems, but similar value systems. so... you know,
that... that's something that we recognize in each other, and
we just try to... usually the communication breakdowns end up
being me and emily against... you know... the world type of
feelings. [emily laughs off camera, amy smiles] and so, it
makes us communicate better. we have to... like... [emily off
camera: we count on each other.] ... fend off some situation.
[laughter]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('august 17 - montreal')

ig part four: emily on her relationship with amy

emily: "the bond of our relationship has been a mystery... you
know... you could explain it in terms of, like, yin and yang,
cause we're so different -- musically, and in terms of
personality. and also, we've played together for many, many
years... you know... 16 years professionally now... umm...
it's unusual to have a relationship like... i mean... a
marriage to last that long... you know. and this kind of
relationship has just been amazing. and i think you have to
say that a lot of it is sort of mysterious... or whatever...
the other senses... whatever other realm it is."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('august 19 - milwaukee')

ig part five: emily on amy's improvisation

emily: "amy's been in a period of more... umm... like...
improvisation musically... and so she's leading the band in
that way... which is a *great* thing. but, at first, i had to
really... had to stop, and like listen to what she's doing,
and it wasn't like i could just... like... jump into her realm
of expression at that moment and go comfortably with it. now,
it's like second nature. so, that was something that took,
like, a little bit of... actually paying attention to what was
going on... and actually, then letting go and having it happen.
it was neat. that just happened, you know, fairly recently."

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lilith fair 97 -- indigo girl interview transcripts (# 2)
               parts six - ten

transcribed from quicktime movie interview clips with ig
made during lilith fair 1997 from the lilith 97 web site.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from: + <http://lilithfair.excite.com/lilith97/index2.html>
      + 'dates'
      + '[date-cityname]'
      + '[cityname] recap'

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
the scene: all clips from the same shoot. outside, bright
           sunny day, sitting on a grassy hillside under
           some shady trees. (date/city ?)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('august 20 - shakopee')

ig part six: amy on ambition

amy: "we've always been sort of a self-contained kind of unit...
and... we've always been... you know, half... half of our
personality, i think, as a whole... umm... you know, half of
us together, whatever that is [laughs] ... is ambitious...
you know... and... and... and looks at things, and tries to
achieve, and takes one day at a time... and... but the other
half of us is... i think, is very pure... and the rea... and
our ambition is for a good reason. and, we've always counted
on our instincts and talked to each other about what we think
we should do."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('august 22 - calgary')

ig part seven: amy on improvisation

amy: "i love music so much, and i think that i had sort of a
renaissance of my love of music, and it made me wanna...
umm... just branch out and get better. and i realized i wasn't
gonna get any better unless i made myself a fool sometimes.
[emily laughs off camera] so that's what i do now... on this
tour, we tend to improvise less, cause we have less time...
and, umm... when you have less time... if half of your set is
improvising... then you look really... well... half the time
you look bad, and half the time you look good [a&e both laugh.
amy continues talking while laughing] so we're just trying
to be a little more solid. [frame ends on big amy smile]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('august 22 - calgary')

ig part eight: emily on working with women

emily: "we like working with women... and we like working
with men. we like a balance. but we want to give women
opportunities, because... you know... for a long time there
weren't women engineers and women techs, and even women
musicians, you know. it's like women in music were still in
part of the evolution, and so... umm... to allow people the
opportunity... i think is part of an evolution... for other
women to see, 'oh, this woman's doing this job. that
looks... really interesting... or that's exciting... or...
you have a woman house sound... umm... engineer.' so, we're
of that spirit."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
from: + <http://lilithfair.excite.com/lilith97/index2.html>
      + 2nd paragraph - 'vancouver link'

ig part nine: amy on her current religious beliefs

amy: "my spirituality really does exist in nature. and i
don't... i'm not a christian. so... umm... for me that's the
extent of how i can explain it. and, for both emily and i,
it's a big part of our lives, and we feel a stronger pull...
you know, on us from unknown powers and we try to follow it.
and... umm... you know, what drives us probably more than
anything is our spiritual attachment to that."

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
('vancouver link')

ig part ten: emily on her current religious beliefs

emily: "i grew up christian as well. i don't believe that you
have to believe in christ to be saved and all that stuff, and
that christianity is the true faith. so, in that sense,
technically, i'm not a true christian. but, i believe that the
teachings of jesus... i mean, what he did was -- he hung out
with diverse folks, you know... with whores and sinners and
people of the cloth or whatever and people of different race
-- and that's... that epitomizes, like... perfect human
relationship, you know... umm... the blessings of diversity."

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 11:31:08 -0700
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hey hey everybody,

i remember seeing once somewhere a photo of melissa etheridge on stage
with the good gals, and i remember thinking, oh neat.  then i sort of
forgot about it.  then i just thought about it again last night, and
now it's bugging me, and i want to know more about this.  so, does
anybody out there know?  when and where did melissa and the girls
share a stage together?  what song did they do?  and where can i go to
see that picture again?  i know somebody out there must know.

thanks y'all
lori ann
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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 13:41:58 -0400
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i just wanted to say a public thank-you to mel for typing
the lilith interviews up for everyone.   that was a really
sweet thing to do, mel!  i appreciate ya!  (and keep those jokes
comin', by the way ;)

also, my friend joy just subbed to the list, so everybody be nice to
her or i'll come to your house & kick your ass.  (heehee) ( i *do*
have a lot of y'all's home addresses, you know...;)

later,

leigh ann

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"mike."
"what's your name, mike?"
"sam."
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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 12:34:04 -0500
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ok.  i've been in the process of moving, and so i am catching up on 2 days
worth of email, but enough already.  we were all created in god's image.
agreed?  ok, now, do we all agree that god does not make mistakes?  good.
now, since we know that god doesn't make mistakes, and we know that (s)he
made me.  we also know that god does not make things with the intention
being for them to sin.  this is why when animals have more than one partner,
it is not sin, it is nature.  agreed?  okay.  now, since we all agree so
far, let's take it one step further.  god made me in his/her image, and
(s)he made me and so i am not a mistake, and (s)he made me not with the
intention for me to sin.  i am gay, and so i am perfect in the way that god
created me.  why is it so wrong for humans to enjoy others of the same sex
when it is not even questions when other animals do the same.  whether you
are gay, bi, or transsexual, there are other creatures in god's creation
that were designed for this to be natural behavior for.  the only reason
other humans are against lifestyles other people choose is because they have
the gift of wills and are therefore able to hate those that god has created
and that god loves.

for those of you that think gay christians is an oxymoron, the bible does
not say that christ came to save the heterosexual population of the world.
he said, "whosoever believeth in me shall have ever lasting life."  if
everything else i've said has completely gone over your head, think of it
this way, i am a "whosoever" and i am a christian.  whether or not you
approve.

carley

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 14:01:20 -0400
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hey y'all.  i'm writing from work, so don't reply to this message.  but


it came to my attention that somehow my other email account
(elhoke@amherst.edu) got overloaded and was bouncing back all incoming
email.  big bummer.  the problem is fixed, however.

so, if you tried to vote on the bumpersticker and your email got
returned, try again.  i promise it will work this time.  but don't reply


to this message - send your vote to elhoke@amherst.edu.  on the
bumpersticker subject, don't vote if you're not gonna buy a sticker.  if


you want to make your own, a la rick, go crazy.  i'm all for it.  but
please, please, if you expressed interest in a sticker, and are now
changing your mind, drop me a note.  you won't hurt my feelings.  i need


to know, however, because otherwise i'm gonna end up spending big money


out of my own pocket for stickers that no one wants.  that would be an
extremely bad thing.  i don't have a penny to throw away right now.  i'm


trying to be generous and kind with these stickers, because i think that


there are enough people out there who want them.  please don't contribute


to my getting screwed over.

also, as far as the voting is going, it's actually very close right now.


"i'd rather be indigoing" was never beating out "a + e = ig" (which,
yes, i've realized is lowercase, thanks to those who pointed that out to


me) by a huge margin.  i can't remember what the person's name was who
started that rumor (i don't have access to old emails from work here) but


a + e = ig actually started out with a pretty large lead.  i haven't told


anyone about current voting standings until right now - don't make up
facts just to try to get your own personal preference to win, that's not


cool.  personally, i like "i'd rather be indigoing" cause it summarizes


how i feel - i'd rather be indigoing, that is, going with the indigos,
following their concerts, chillin with amy and emily, ya know?  some
people have expressed that they don't care for a + e = ig so much because


it's so mathematical.  obviously we all know why the detractors don't
like i'd rather be indigoing.  (too commercial, not unique, not as
meaningful - these are all good points)  don't worry, i will be totally


objective as i tally up the votes tonight.  personally, i'll be psyched


either way, i like them both.  (btw, midnight tonight, tuesday, is the
deadline to vote.)

sorry if this is a bit disconnected.  i kept going back and adding
things.  i think y'all will get it.  i'll let you know how the vote
turned out tonight after midnight. (we're gonna let it all hang down...)


then i'll try to get things moving along quickly.  i may have to turn
this over to someone else who has volunteered to help me out (thanks,
kari!) if it gets to be too long of a process, cause i'm leaving town
june 9 or so, and won't be able to do these any more.  but i'll let you


know all that too.  cool?  cool.

thanks for all of the support, everyone is being really great about this.


lizzy

ps.  patty griffin was fabulous.  she closed with crazy, by willie
nelson, which just gave me chills.  her voice is beautiful.  if anyone
ever has a chance, go see her.  very powerful singing.
jill - i missed you last night, it was a great show, and the guys came
out right away afterwards and we got to talk to them and get autographs.


hope your workload is under control.  :)

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 14:40:10 -0700
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doolittle wrote:
>
several of the acts, especially ricki lee jones were very difficult to
> hear and the venue is small too!  i think this is partly related to it being
> a mixed show, and that people who weren't interested in particular artists
> talked through their performances.  young female fans about 14-17 seemed to
> be the most vocal.  i figured they were probably ig fans and not interested
> in the preceding acts so they socialized with their friends instead of
> listening to the music.  i'm a bit disappointed that these ig fans were not
> respectful of all the fine musicians playing friday night :(

and why can't all music fans respect the rest of the audience and the
musicians performing on stage? comments and greetings are fine, but if
you don't want to listen to the act, take it outside--don't spoil it for
the rest of the folks around you who are trying to listen (despite the
aural clutter).

ac

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 10:49:38 -0700
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i just want to say that i'm a really big fan of the indigo girls, my e-mail add. is kidfears@mailcity.com, it used to be something else but the song kidfears rocked me, so i had my e-mail add. changed to kidfears. i would really like to know the bass tabs for kidfears and for hand me down if it possible and if there are any sights i could explore that have indigo girls pictures and stuff about amy ray, i want to know how old she is, if she's single, and who's her inspiration. i really hope you reply and tell me where i can find what i requested. thanks.
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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 07:47:44 +1000
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hey folks,

this person:
>i just want to say that i'm a really big fan of the indigo girls, my e-mail
>add. is kidfears@mailcity.com, it used to be something else but the song
>kidfears rocked me, so i had my e-mail add. changed to kidfears. i would
>really like to know the bass tabs for kidfears and for hand me down if it
>possible and if there are any sights i could explore that have indigo girls
>pictures and stuff about amy ray, i want to know how old she is, if she's
>single, and who's her inspiration. i really hope you reply and tell me
where i
>can find what i requested. thanks.

... isn't on the list, so direct mail to them to their mailbox:
        kidfears@mailcity.com

cheers,
sherlyn


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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 17:08:03 pdt
reply-to:     adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
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hey ya'll i don't think anyone has said this yet:
the girls are in alternative press magazine, june '98 issue. w/sarah
mclachlan on the cover.
in the ap guide to summer tours there's a pic, from the curve photo
shoot, and the article says:

"a summer camp" says the indigo girls' amy ray. "you live with
everybody, you eat with everybody, you feel like you're in the circus."
the indigo girls played 3 weeks opening last year's tour, and they'll
play 4 weeks from mid-june to mid-july this year. ray has fond memories
of the first lilith fair. at first she felt that the event was too big
for her band, but almost immediately they found a say to feel at home.
"it's a lot more diverse than it seems at face value," she notes. "and
it was amazing, totally amazing. we walked around to people's dressing
rooms and enlisted them to perform with one another. that's what makes
an event like that special-if people share."

*g*

lamia


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i'm sorry to see we're surrounded by hate, hate, hate.
when i go to sleep at night, i can still pray,
does it make you hate me?
because when you hate me, i can still love you."
-amy ray

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 21:22:54 edt
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i thought i would pass along this information to anyone interested in the
atlanta area:

danielle howle and the tantrums are going to be playing an "all ages" show
thursday night on the ga tech campus at a place called "under the couch".
show starts at 9:00 and the cost is $5.00.

if you need directions, just email me and i'll forward them to you.

thanks and sorry for the bandwidth, but i thought that the dh&tt fans in the
area would like to know about the show, as it hasn't been publicized at *all*
locally!

=)
lisa

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 23:19:25 -0400
reply-to:     *erin* <satori00@arches.uga.edu>
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sarah,
if you're still on the list would you please email me?
thanks!

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 23:30:09 -0400
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as long time members of this list know i write a column for a fanzine
(ive reviewed sharon glass's tape in one of my columns) and mentioned the
girls in another time well this month i also mentioned the girls and talk
abotu the cancellations (very briefly as this column was way late and it
is a sci fi fantasy zine after all) ive copied the part of my column where
i talk about the girls and what not thought you all might be interested in
it

ill include it in part 2

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there have been a number of schools that
have cancelled the free concert that the indigo girls were going to give
them ( there have been 4 so far) we all know its just because they are
lesbians and not because they use the f word in one and only one song  one
time  all these cancellations are down south amy and emily will be
performing concerts at other venues to make up for these concerts and will
have special seating (free if i recall) for the high schoolers who had
their shows cancelled there was also one school where the students staged
a walk out in protest of the show being cancelled now im not gay but i
have freinds who are and i must say these shows are being cancelled for
the wrong reasons  and we the power star staff support the students who
staged the walk out bigotry must be faught racism must be fought
homophobia must be a thing of the past if we are all to get along the
slaves were freed from slavery the jews were freed from the nazi death
camps what will it take to free the gay community from homophobia
im anthony van pyre and these are the things that keep me up at night
untill next time hugs

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one note on the fred phelps god hates fags cult crap...

i found a resource page that has the e mail addresses of the people who
provide the bandwidth for his hate filled site and the home addresses and e
mail addresses for him, his right hand man (his grandson) among others...maybe
if even a few people wrote to his isp people he could get knocked off the web
(at least for a little while). you're not going to make much head way with an
idiot like that so writing to them is a waste of time...anyway that concludes
my soapbox segment for today :)

here's the address for the resource web page
http://members.tripod.com/~fredphelps/

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date:         tue, 12 may 1998 21:37:14 -0500
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mat rightly said...

>this is quite often the case with lesser-known acts who play in support
to
>another act...... i've heard people say that
>ferron wasn't too good when she supported ig either (and on that evening
>she messed up closer to fine, which didn't go down too well).

which just goes to show you.....no one should put too much weight on
an artist making a special, unrehearsed appearance with other
artists.  people have to understand that it is tough to do other people's

songs.  it's best to sing what you know and feel natural with.
supporting
other artists on stage is very cool, but audiences should give the
opener or artist making that special appearance a break and not expect
too much.  i've never heard anyone be able to sing closer to fine
very well, even sarah m, and she is absolutely
wonderful.....near-perfect...
on her own.

also,  i have the hofstra boot with ferron on it.  even doing her
own song, "our purpose here" (a beautiful song, by the way), she
didn't sound so great.  she was up there during a&e's time, out of her
intimate element, and the audience just was not with her.  so, i
wasn't too impressed with ferron on first listen.  but, a&e have great
taste.  why would they speak so highly of ferron and invite her to
open and travel with them if ferron didn't have it?  believe me,
ferron definitely has it.  the best concert i've seen so far in my
life....after a sarah m. show, 11 ig shows including 3 liliths, 3
ani shows, 3 dar shows, etc, etc,.......*ferron*!  she takes the cake.
she's very funny, very personable, very intimate, a very good musician,
a powerful (albeit unique) vocalist, a wonderful songwriter with
amazing lyrics....the woman's one of the best philosophers on life i've
ever
heard.  good thing i didn't take her performance at hofstra as the
end-all.  i would've missed out on a helluva lot.

lisa

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when and where was the 4th cancellation?  i only remember 3: irmo,
farragut & germantown...where was the fourth?  why didn't i hear about
this one at all?  all the media for the other 3....
love,
  ~carol~

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and the winner is...

a + e = ig

the votes came out to 19 votes for i'd rather be indigoing and 34 for a
+ e....

the people have spoken.  i will be ordering 125 of these asap.  i'm
afraid to order 250 for fear of being stuck with 50 extra.  even though
it does cut the price pretty dramatically.  in general, most people said
they'd buy one either way, despite their preference.  most people are
also buying more than one.  but i still get nervous.  i mean, only 53
people voted.  (thanks you 53!)  the cost will be approx. $2.24 per
sticker not including s&h.  the most popular seems to be the 2 color,
transparent, more square shaped sticker, so that's what i'm going with.
the colors will be blue and either white or black.  the adhesive will be
on the inside, (sticks on the outside of your car) so people without
cars can buy one also, to stick wherever.  as soon as i actually do
order them, i will post my addy and cost information.  you will need to
send me payment right away, so i have it when i get the stickers and can
get them right out to you.  but that info will all be posted later.  i'm
glad this is working out.  thank you to everyone expressing interest in
this little venture.

lizzy

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hello!
i am not on this list but i would like to ask if somebody could tell me:
are the indigo girls still on tour? and are they finally planning to come
to europe?
is there any way to contact them, cause i have tried to email the fanclub
but i havent got any answer at all.

please, i hope you can help!


verena
driver.8@usa.net

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heyhey all!

i have been off the list for a few months because i got so overwhelmed by all
the posts. but, dry your eyes, im back. ;) amyray, i have a question...does
anyone know where i can buy ig hats? like, baseball cap style...the kind they
have been selling on tour. the last newsletter i got didnt have any for sale,
and i reallllly wanna get my hands on one...or two. ;) any help would be much
appreciated. thankyous!

love and stars,
*julie*

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is more interesting perhaps
than the story of that emancipation itself."
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hi everyone :) i'm planning a trip to the states next month.. and i read
on some website that ani is playing in central park, nyc on june 12th.
anyone know if this has been confirmed?? also, any ideas on joining the
ani mailing list.. i'm having some trouble :(

love melanie :)

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<snip>> also, any ideas on joining the
>ani mailing list.. i'm having some trouble :(
>
>love melanie :)>>
i'd also like the s*b info for the ani list. i didn't know there was one,but
i'd love to join!  thanx,bron
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what you make of me"-ani difranco-willing to fight-
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as so many people have come here to atlanta, and fallen in love with the
flying biscuit cafe, i thought people would like to know that there is new
cookbook available at either the cafe, or your local bookstore.   i'm not sure
if they are doing mail order, but they might be.

here's the info:

title:  the flying biscuit cafe cookbook
author:  april moon
isbn: 1-56352-465-1
cost:  $14  ($15 canada)

recipes include the famous biscuits, rosemary potatos, love cakes, black bean
quesadillas and my personal favorite, the organic oatmeal pancakes, and lots
more!!   definitely worth the $$$!!

=)
lisa

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for those of you who have heard of erin (and even those that haven't) she will
be in the area several times starting on the 28th of may

5/28  pentagon city     borders
5/29  fredricksburg      songwriting showcase
5/30  virginia women's music festival
6/4    alexandria          st. elmo's pub


check her out if you get a chance

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i'm all for it.  but
>please, please, if you expressed interest in a sticker, and are now
>changing your mind, drop me a note.  you won't hurt my feelings.  i need
>
>
>to know, however, because otherwise i'm gonna end up spending big money
>
>
>out of my own pocket for stickers that no one wants.  that would be an
>extremely bad thing.  i don't have a penny to throw away right now.

just throwing in my thoughts about the bumper sticker thing:

i like "a + e=ig" much better than "id rather be indigoing"

why? i'm gonna try not to sound negative and mean when i say this but...i
think the "id rather be...." bumper sticker trend is kinda late 70's, early
80's. like, my gramps had a  "i'd rather be fishing' bumper sticker on his
car, and i was always giving him heck about it....well gramps, you'd rather
be fishing than driving down the road with your cutest granddaughter ever?
:) but anyways, this was 1979......

anyways, i just think it's kinda "past it's prime" in terms of a saying.....

just my 2 pennies, in the spirit of honesty.
xo, sus
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what is the special cd that you can only get at the lillith fair? i know it
was sent to the list awhile back, but i can not find the letter so can
someone help me out. missy

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in a message dated 98-05-13 11:06:36 edt, msinghaus@msmisp.com writes:

<< what is the special cd that you can only get at the lillith fair? i know it
was sent to the list awhile back, but i can not find the letter so can
someone help me out. missy >>

i believe that's the special rage against the machine remix of shed your skin.

:( don't you have to buy shaming of the sun (again) to get it, though? :(

peace,
  rick
-saw the replacement killers last night & really really liked it.
mira sorvino=wow!
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greetings to all in the land of indigo!

well, i'm coming off a trememdous high from the wand
benefit on saturday.  what an excellent event!

anyway, since ig won't be on any lilith fair dates in
new england, and i won't be seeing them until newport,
i wanted to know about the apple farm, nj show on 6/6.
does anyone have any info about what type of show (festival/
regular concert/benefit:) it is, how much tix are and who to
buy them from if they are still available?  thanks for the help!

take care and peace!

-deb

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one point about this...

> i found a resource page that has the e mail addresses of the people who
> provide the bandwidth for his hate filled site and the home addresses and
e
> mail addresses for him, his right hand man (his grandson) among
others...maybe
> if even a few people wrote to his isp people he could get knocked off the
web
> (at least for a little while). you're not going to make much head way
with an
> idiot like that so writing to them is a waste of time...anyway that
concludes
> my soapbox segment for today :)
there is something called "freedom of expression". i really hurt every time
i see pages like the one we are all upset about, but let me tell you that
everyone has a right to say what he or she wants about any given subject
and we do not have the right to try and get rid of it. folks, i know it
would be nicer for all of us if we could just ban anything that offends us,
but people like the ones who make "god hates fags" feel the exact same way
about us.  all we can do is keep educating everyone we come into contact
with that diversity is good, and maybe someday no one will want to put up
such hate-filled pages....
    peace,
         sharoane

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at 11:37 pm 5/12/98 , poprckgrrl wrote:
>one note on the fred phelps god hates fags cult crap...
>
>i found a resource page that has the e mail addresses of the people who
>provide the bandwidth for his hate filled site and the home addresses and e
>mail addresses for him, his right hand man (his grandson) among
others...maybe
>if even a few people wrote to his isp people he could get knocked off the web
>(at least for a little while).

before taking such an action, you might take a moment to consider that when
you attack another's rights, you imperil your own.  as mike godwin, staff
counsel of the electronic freedom foundation, said:  "the first amendment
was designed to protect offensive speech, because nobody ever tries to ban
the other kind."  as offensive as phelps' views and are, he has every right
to express them.

otoh, i think there is room for action against the domain name... the ietf
(i think) disallows profanity in domain names, and a case could certainly
be made that if "godhatesniggers.org" can't be registered, neither can
"godhatesfags.org."  still, that would only move the crap, not get rid of
it.  i support every moron's right to free speech, and i'll gladly oppose
it with my own view, which is no doubt equally offensive to them.

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at 07:43 am 5/13/98 , memememi wrote:
>as so many people have come here to atlanta, and fallen in love with the
>flying biscuit cafe, i thought people would like to know that there is new
>cookbook available at either the cafe, or your local bookstore.   i'm not
sure
>if they are doing mail order, but they might be.

or you can order from amazon.com:

<http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/quicksearch-query/0572-1991921-480630>

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>content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>date: tue, 12 may 1998 23:50:43 -0800
>from: *the cd list* <cdlistguy@earthlink.net>

>4.00   vidalias, the   melodyland  ri  1995 upstart.  web:   one of the
>most promising bands of the insurgent country movement of the '90s, the
>atlanta five-piece the vidalias...blend...country, rockabilly, bluesy rock
>and occasional swing, deriving a sound that recalls the country-rock of the
>flying burrito brothers and at times hints at the western swing of asleep
>at the wheel. - jack leaver.  booklet corner is badly clipped.
>
>6.00   vidalias, the   stayin' in the doghouse  adv-nb 1996 upstart.  amg
>review:  with a tip of the hat to country-era byrds, the original flying
>burrito brothers and a straight-ahead roots-rock sensibility, stayin' in
>the doghouse is a pleasure throughout. once again, pedal steel guitarist
>henry bruns demonstrates he's a force to be reckoned with, whether it be
>lightning-quick picking  or weeping crescendos...  -jack leaver.

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the latter of these 2 cds features a very country duet with amy ray which
is a real treat. if you're interested in either of  these cds, write to
cdlistguy@earthlink.net and tell him where you saw this message.  do not
reply to me, misdirected responses will be deleted without notification.

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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 13:15:38 edt
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in a message dated 98-05-13 12:09:54 edt, isis1@megalink.net writes:

<< there is something called "freedom of expression". i really hurt every time
i see pages like the one we are all upset about, but let me tell you that
everyone has a right to say what he or she wants about any given subject
and we do not have the right to try and get rid of it. folks, i know it
would be nicer for all of us if we could just ban anything that offends us,
but people like the ones who make "god hates fags" feel the exact same way
about us.  all we can do is keep educating everyone we come into contact
with that diversity is good, and maybe someday no one will want to put up
such hate-filled pages.... >>

i see your point, and this is definitely not a flame, but there is a point
where "freedom of expression" ends....  adolph hitler enjoyed the same freedom
in the 1930's....  nits grow into lice....  sexual minorities provoke too many
knee jerk reflexes amongst the unenlightened, and we are easy targets for
demigogues and pedagogues and hate-mongers....  if abc can be cowed from
showing an on-screen kiss involving a lesbian central character in a situation
comedy, we are not all that far from the dark ages....  it seems to be ok to
use stereotypes as comic relief (i.e. objects of ridicule), but to have a
sympathetic lead character who loves another of the same gender is
verboten.....

if you want to get really scared, get a shortwave radio and listen to the
hate-filled messages that american "religious" stations are broadcasting
around the world.  i thank god every day for people like amy and emily (see
there is some igc) who bring hope to the world with their music and their
politics....  it's no wonder the right is getting uneasy.....

the war against ignorance and hatred is never won....

peace and harmony...
tim

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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 14:16:41 edt
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hey everybody,

i just wanted to let y'all know that there's a newslist very similair to this
one but instead of being about the indigo girls it's about the zapatista's
struggle and the conflict in mexico (of which amy and emily are very
supportive of).  if you want to subscribe you may do so by sending an e-mail
to:

majordomo@eco.utexas.edu   (write subscribe chiapas 95 in the body)

or you can visit the website to find out more about what's going on down there
at:  http://www.eco.utexas.edu or gopher://eco.utexas.edu.

just to let y'all know if you're interested.
take care,
amy
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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 11:22:36 -0700
reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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i would think that the *only* way to battle ignorance + hatred is through
the very same "freedom of speech" used by those who abuse it by preaching
intolerance + bigotry. when i was a kid ( always walked to the beat of a
differnt drummer ) + was bothered by bullies etc. my mom would say "educate
them then, sweetheart. love them to death + silence" and "don't stoop to
their leval of ignorance. prove yourself to you, and prove them wrong by
your actions".
i think both a+e did an excellant job of that in their reaction to the
cancellation of their shows at the highschools out there in the south
eastern states. given a very public platform, and using their freedom of
speach, they showed dignity and class. their statements to the press were
thought provoking, and anyone with real humanity in their hearts could not
help but get their message. as representatives of a minority, they did a
steller job and i for one was glad it was those two who were called on, this
time, to answer for all of us.
impatient as we all are for change, we have to accept that it takes time +
continuous effort to silence the bigots of our generation + those to come.
in order to move forward we cannot "stoop to their leval of ignorance". we
*have* to educate. as individuals, not all of us may ever get the sort of
publicity and attention a+e did over this controversy. that does not matter,
because we still have opportunity to use the very same weapon that they, and
those who spoke ( + continue to speak )with such ignorance against them,
used. that is; freedom of speach. if ever we get the opportunity, in every
day life, or in public forum, don't attack the existance of the weapon, just
use it with care. in the hands of the right people it can do more towards
good than ever it could wielded by small minded bigots.
peace all... kim ( feeling like a "flower child" re-born ) :-)

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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 11:28:57 -0700
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lythande99 wrote:

> i see your point, and this is definitely not a flame, but there is a point
> where "freedom of expression" ends....

unfortunately, there can't be.  if you believe in the 1st amendment, then you
believe in freedom of speech and expression without end.  if you think there's a
limit to an ignorant slob's freedom, what's to say s/he can't limit yours?  no,
the best weapon against hate is not censorhip, it's using your right to speak out
and educate people.  if you have a valid argument (which you do), you don't need
censorship to educate.  all you need is the 1st amendment.  re: martin luther
king, jr.  he spoke his mind and working within the constitution/bill of rights,
he proceeded well along the path to winning his argument.

as the old saying goes, i may not agree with what you say, but i'll fight to the
death for your right to say it.

> adolph hitler enjoyed the same freedom in the 1930's....

oops.  no, he didn't.  he was not "elected" and his message was not one that
people were openly fighting against and could be heard.  hitler's vocal and active
opponents died along side jews, homosexuals, communists, et. al in the
concentration camps.  he got his message across through pure charisma and force.

as amy ray says, "you can hate me but that doesn't mean i can't love you," or
something to that effect.  there is no limit to freedom of speech/expression, nor
can there be.

-kate :o)

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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 15:13:17 edt
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i know that ani is playing battery park on june 20th... i have heard nothing
about a cp show

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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 14:18:38 -0500
reply-to:     rick hodgin <foxmuldr@indy.net>
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from:         rick hodgin <foxmuldr@indy.net>
subject:      flying biscuit
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does amy or emily own this?  my sister says it's amy and
i think it's emily.  if it's not called the flying biscuit
then what is it called?

thanks.  e-mail privately please.  no need to clutter up
the list with this.

  *^*^*^*^*
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*  / | \  *  rick
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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 14:26:45 -0500
reply-to:     dan perkins <dan@tcdrs.org>
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hi y'all,

please pardon the nigc, but i figure this is a good group to turn to for
some ideas.

i like to write/sing/perform acoustic music, that is in the
singer/songwriter folk music style. the folk music scene here in austin,
tx. is pretty dead now. i am starting to consider trying to relocate to
an area that has a more vital, vibrant singer/songwriter folk music
scene. a place where writers such as myself can find venues to play in
and have at least a chance at having an appreciative audience. so, i
would appreciate any suggestions/ideas on towns/cities that have a
strong folkie scene.

thanks,

dan perkins
austin, texas

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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 12:38:22 pdt
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whooo hooo! i can feel those summer vibes coming on already. :) it's
only mid may and my bones are already aching for warmth, sun bleached
hair and shiny skin. :) yeahh!  why i'm i on my computer?! :)
with summer comes lilith, and i'm as excited as hell to be returning to
such a great event. :) unfortunately my seats this year aren't as
happenin' as they were last year...ahhhh, the days when lilith was just
born...upper pavillion at polaris...not bad, but i'd like to be a little
closer to my musical muffins. :) i'm really pumped about seeing
sinead...does that make me a freak?!  i guess i've kinda missed seeing
her around...it'll be interesting to hear her lately...nothing though,
beats seeing michelle malone at lilith last year. :) there she was on
one of those little side stages playing her heart out....she belonged on
the main stage...not to offend anyone but i would have much rather seen
her up there than a couple of others...i won't mention any names,
jewel...lisa loeb... :)  sorry if i've offended anyone...just my
opinion. :)  then again, if she had been on the main stage we wouldn't
have been able to stand 5 ft. in front of her. :) that was wonderful,
and my first real taste of her talent...good god, she's amazing.  i hope
she's out and about really soon (sasha...you will see her someday...i
promise! :)...so, bring on lilith..i need some fun...and some
wuuunderfulness hangin' out with my fellow indigohioans. :)
as far as this godhatesfags thing....damn...what can i say?!  it's
disappointing...i was bothered by it in the worst way...i sent a heated
message to them which will probably be laughed at...i often react before
i think and it gets me busted every time...didn't think about the fact
that i was talking at a bunch of closed minded hos who don't wanna hear
the truth...i don't know...it sucks, but we'll always be facing shit
like this, ya' know?!  what can we do 'cept go on with our own fight...i
think we're all doing a damn good job. ;)
i'm off to enjoy the weather....then i'll be hit with reality when works
starts on monday...god help me. :)
later dudes :)

bethany :)
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fit in my hand...but i think if i played it a little, it might fill up
the whole world." ~~ sherman alexie


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reply-to:     "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>
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hey all.. just a question. my good friend out in calgary told me that her
husband came home from work with bits of gossip and one of them was
something he'd heard about a+e on one of the local radio stations there. he
knows my friend is a major indigo girls fan, so his ears perked up when they
were mentioned lilith fair + the girl's schedualed appearance there this
august 29th. what he heard was someone talking about the girls + saying
something about how they had "turned tricks"... !!! now... he can't remember
the name of the station, or who was talking... but geez... i'd sure like to
know. did anyone out there in the canadian listening area hear this
particular broadcast + if so, could you let me know which station it was?
... cause i'd sure like to e-mail the "negative publicity" pushing,
gossiping jerk.
peace all... kim
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"two birds in the hand get very warm and molt rather quickly"
kim: in a fowl mood.
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the radio bit that i just posted about would have taken place sometime in
the afternoon of monday, may 11th...
peace, kim
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i'm running with scissors!!!!!
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date: 5/13/98 2:16 pm
from: charles lore <charles@trep.com

"if you receive an e-mail titled "win a holiday" do not open
it.  it will erase everything on your hard drive.  forward
this letter out to as many people as you can.  this is a
new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.
this information was announced yesterday morning from
microsoft; please share it with everyone that might access
the internet.

once again, pass this along to everyone in your address book
so that this may be stopped.

also, do not open or even look at any mail that says
"returned unable to deliver".  this virus will attach itself
to your computer components and render them useless.
immediately delete any mail items that say this.

aol has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that
there is no remedy for it at this time.  please practice
cautionary measures and forward this to all your online
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i did not mean to fwd that warning to the list.  1,000 pardons.
peace,
lisa j.

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>-----original message-----
>from:  dan perkins
>sent:  wednesday, may 13, 1998 3:48 pm
>to:    'darren_kilbury@hdway.com'; 'ljebsen'; 'ig'
>subject:       re: fwd> public service virus w
>
>
>
>
>
>>>date: 5/13/98 2:16 pm
>>> from: charles lore <charles@trep.com
>
>  >> "if you receive an e-mail titled "win a holiday" do not open
>>> it.  it will erase everything on your hard drive.  forward
> >> this letter out to as many people as you can.
>
>
> <snipped>
>[dan perkins]   okay, here we go again. for those of you who do not know, the
>"win a holiday.." e-mail virus alert is a hoax.
>you cannot get a virus simply from e-mail. you can get a virus from an
>attachment to an e-mail. viruses must be imbedded in programs or some sort of
>executable code. for more information on virus hoaxes check out:
>
>http://ciac.llnl.gov/ciac/ciachoaxes.html
>
>there are other "e-mail virus" hoaxes out there, such as "join the crew".
>anytime you get a "virus alert" talking about destroying your computer, hard
>drive or spreading by e-mail. be suspicious, it is likely a hoax. currently
>the most common types of viruses are the word and excel macro viruses. which
>can be spread via word or excel attachments to an e-mail document. but you
>only get the virus if you actually open the document.
>
>relax.
>
>a little sigc - did anyone at the backyard show last week catch the name of
>the tune that edwin mccain sang?
>
>peace,
>
>dan perkins
>austin, texas
>
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---ndygotiggr the high priestess of amyism wrote: and
there's the one on interstate 110 sponsored by marcus
pointe baptist church... the background is a rainbow
but the colors are not all there, and they're all
mixed up.  and the letters are in white, reading "gay
used to mean happy."

i'm gay.  i'm happy.  (happier when my love and i are
in the same state--37 days!  eeekkk!  yay!)  does
that make me an oxymoron?  or am i not really gay?
or not really happy?  hmmm....i'd better ask someone
if they think i'm gay.  i mean i'm happy and i
*think* i'm gay but i *must* be wrong because these
damn bible thumping baptists who take out signs on
freaking highways know better than me.

my fave oxymoron: military intelligence.

anyways back to these folks....it reminds me of my
best pal mark.  mark and i have been best frinends
since 6th grade and if we weren't both gay we'd be
dating eachother.  anyways, this christian cult grp
at school (and they are a cult--they dictate what
eachother do.  if one member's dating someong they
don't like--bam! they're shunned.  now, does that not
sound like a  baby cult in the making or what?  and
they choose a new frosh every year to make their
mission to save...) that mark used to be a part of
wrote him this note with a rainbow wwjd bracelet and
said "we thought you should know the true meaning of
the rainbow."  explaining how the different colours
are used....i dunno, i've heard it before (red the
blood of christ or something?  anyone know what i'm
talking about?)

mark wrote a note denouncng their "christian"
attitude of calling everyone else sinners and said "i
thought you should know the true meaning of
christianity."

it was great.

um....i'm starting to ramble like jill certo and i'm
going now ok so bye bye,
amanda

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can we add the fact that michelle malone is one of
the funniest people to see in concert in the entire
world?

not that....um...i have but i tried dammit and i'm
not 21 yet!  based on my boots of her though...she's
funny!

she's cute too, check out the new issue of curve to
see what i mean.  sigh....them pictures....

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---nighthawk <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu> wrote:
>
> on mon, 11 may 1998, karen frey wrote:
>
> > > imagine emily's guitar expertise.  great jazz
stuff, intricate fingerpicking.  got that?  good.
now, imagine amy's guitar power.  roaring massive
distorted power chords more reminiscent of, say, pete
townsend, than bob dylan. you follow me up till here?
right.  now, take melissa etheridge's explosively
ragged vocals, toss in a bit of sheryl crow
huskiness, and for good measure, the smoothness of
some of the old jazz performers. for good measure,
throw in some damn good songwriting, and the sort of
stage presence and energy that even the indigo girls
are hard-pressed to
match.

don't forget to add sarah's soprano....

well, i would've, but had to stop and send the
message to wipe the drool off the keyboard which
always forms anytime i start talking about michelle...

>    darius

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keeping my worshipful pose in front of my indigo alter of joy going just
a little longer, my guitar teacher gave me "prince of darkness" to work
on.  damn that's a hard song to play!  at least for me, who just started
playing the guitar 5 weeks ago.  i'm working on ctf, pod and next week
my guitar teacher will have "hand me downs" for me.  in addition i'm
learning "hide your love away" by the beatles.  john lennon is spinning
in his grave every time i pick up the guitar and slaughter that one.

so i struggled through the very first part of pod and ctf, then put on
the disks.  have i mentioned how in awe i am of amy and emily?  sheesh!
;o)

guitar players:  please please please tell me it gets easier!  my
teacher keeps saying, every time i whine about how much i suck and good
amy and emily are, "kate, they're professional musicians.  they've been
playing for years and years and years.  you are not and have not!  calm
down!"

i need some encouragement here, people!  please tell me that i'll see a
marked improvement in my playing (or lack thereof) really soon!
please?!?

;o)

-kate

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has anyone heard of an artist named jaime anderson?  all i know is that a)
she is a lesbian and b) she is from arizona.

i heard her a few weeks ago on wyso (yellow springs, ohio , gosh, i miss
that station now that i am home) and i really liked her.  i picked up 2 of
her cd's today (on sale at my local feminist bookstore!  yeah for those!)
and have not had a chance to listen to it yet.

any information would be apperciated.  please reply to me, not to the
list!

thanks!

:-) karen

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hi.  i talked to danielle and they are also playing at an event called sister
faire in columbia, sc.  if anyone would like any info on this, just email me.

sharon

memememi wrote:

> i thought i would pass along this information to anyone interested in the
> atlanta area:
>
> danielle howle and the tantrums are going to be playing an "all ages" show
> thursday night on the ga tech campus at a place called "under the couch".
> show starts at 9:00 and the cost is $5.00.
>
> if you need directions, just email me and i'll forward them to you.
>
> thanks and sorry for the bandwidth, but i thought that the dh&tt fans in the
> area would like to know about the show, as it hasn't been publicized at *all*
> locally!
>
> =)
> lisa
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just a quick note on offensive webpages such as
godhatesgags.com...

i got one removed from tripod because they argued for
the killing/beating up/poisoning of all gay people
because dammit we deserve it.

anyways, tripod specifically states that though they
don't review homepages, if someone complains they
will then review it.  they (tripod) don't support
racism/sexism/etc and even sent me a nice email back
saying "we don't belive in what they believe etc..."

my point is that you can generally get offensive
pages kicked off if the host agrees with your
opinion.

in the case of godhatesfags.com i am shocked that so
many people didn't know about this page.  it's
fricking infamous.  it'll get kicked off, but it
always comes back.  in fact, diva magazine even had a
comment about the fact that maybe it's just sorta
better to ignore them.

i dunno, that's my info.
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hi folks,

i've been on the list for about 3 months now, but this is my first post, so
be nice.  i ran across something the other day that seems to have some
relevance to this whole thread of intolerance on the part of straight,
white, christian, etc.

the whole world as 100 people - if we could shrink the earth's population
to a village of precisely 100 people, with all the existing human ratios
remaining the same, it would look like this:
there would be 57 asians, 21 europeans, 14 from the western hemisphere
(north and south) and 8 africans.  52 would be female, 48 would be male.
70 would be non-white, 30 white.  70 would be non-christian, 30 would be
christian.  89 would be heterosexual, 11 homosexual.  59% of the entire
world's wealth would be in the hands of only 6 people and all 6 would be
citizens of the us.  80 would live in substandard housing, 70 would be
unable to read.  50 would suffer from malnutrition, 1 would be near death,
1 would be near birth.  only 1 would have a college education.  1 would own
a computer.

when one considers our world from such a compressed perspective, the need
for both acceptance and understanding becomes glaringly apparent.

peace, my friends.  aj

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sharon parker/kirsten shonle wrote:
>
> one point about this...
>
> > i found a resource page that has the e mail addresses of the people who
> > provide the bandwidth for his hate filled site and the home addresses and
> e
> > mail addresses for him, his right hand man (his grandson) among
> others...maybe
> > if even a few people wrote to his isp people he could get knocked off the
> web
> > (at least for a little while). you're not going to make much head way
> with an
> > idiot like that so writing to them is a waste of time...anyway that
> concludes
> > my soapbox segment for today :)
> there is something called "freedom of expression". i really hurt every time
> i see pages like the one we are all upset about, but let me tell you that
> everyone has a right to say what he or she wants about any given subject
> and we do not have the right to try and get rid of it. folks, i know it
> would be nicer for all of us if we could just ban anything that offends us,
> but people like the ones who make "god hates fags" feel the exact same way
> about us.  all we can do is keep educating everyone we come into contact
> with that diversity is good, and maybe someday no one will want to put up
> such hate-filled pages....
>     peace,
>          sharoane
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i'm a big fan of cooper's seay's work, does anyone know how her last name
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this is old hat.

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from "kim: goddess in her own reality" <rcn@prcn.org>:
> so his ears perked up when they
> were mentioned lilith fair + the girl's schedualed appearance there this
> august 29th.

what?  august 29th?  don't amy and emily finish their run with lilith by the end
of july?  are there dates scheduled after the mwmf?

and on another lilith note...if anyone out there knows of any wholly (not just
the lawn seats) general admission lilith fair dates (with indigo girls on the
lineup) could you please e-mail me privately and let me know?  portland is the
only one i know of so far, so if anyone knows of others i'd really appreciate
hearing about them.

thanks!

marivel

"i wrote this one when i was riding a bicycle up in vermont.
um.  you know, i wrote the words in my head and then got home
and wrote it."

              amy talking introducing "jonas and ezekiel"
                      austin city limits (1992)

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i'm putting together an indigo girls tab archive thingy up on the web (with
aol's personal publisher system).  i have a list of the songs i need, and two
internet/html questions.

first, the guitar.  i need:

crazy game
left me a fool
make it easier
you left it up to me
let it be me
ceder tree
burn all the letters

i'm in the process of polishing up leeds, and of figuring out lotk and
caramia.  also, if there are any other songs they've preformed on soundtracks,
compilation albums, or in concert that you'd like to submit: please go for it!
here's my disclaimer-esque sentence: if a tab you submit is, in my humble
opinion, lacking . . . i'm not going to post it up.  other wise, though,
you're safe from insult.

computer q's:

what's the html code for one of those rainbow line things . . . you know,
where the color moves back and forth . . . ?

and

how do you put up a counter?

thanks!

~ elizabeth

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hey.  for the guitar tab, try this page:

http://www.harmony-central.com/guitar/olga/all/indigo_girls.html

sharon

wishmonstr wrote:

> i'm putting together an indigo girls tab archive thingy up on the web (with
> aol's personal publisher system).  i have a list of the songs i need, and two
> internet/html questions.
>
> first, the guitar.  i need:
>
> crazy game
> left me a fool
> make it easier
> you left it up to me
> let it be me
> ceder tree
> burn all the letters
>
> i'm in the process of polishing up leeds, and of figuring out lotk and
> caramia.  also, if there are any other songs they've preformed on soundtracks,
> compilation albums, or in concert that you'd like to submit: please go for it!
> here's my disclaimer-esque sentence: if a tab you submit is, in my humble
> opinion, lacking . . . i'm not going to post it up.  other wise, though,
> you're safe from insult.
>
> computer q's:
>
> what's the html code for one of those rainbow line things . . . you know,
> where the color moves back and forth . . . ?
>
> and
>
> how do you put up a counter?
>
> thanks!
>
> ~ elizabeth
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heeeey listers. :)
just wonderin' if anyone else happened to catch larry king live last
night....i usually don't watch him but i was scanning the band last
night and saw ellen's smilin' face. :) i thought it was interesting
because some chick called up and asked her if she believed in god...
a long explanation about christianity, homosexuality vs. the bible vs.
assholes who say you can't be gay and a christian followed...i thought
it went along nicely with our recent theme. ;) she handled it well.
i'm gonna miss her show. :(
don't forget her last episode -- it's tonite.
later,
bethany :)
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i wrote:
>> were mentioned lilith fair + the girl's schedualed appearance there this
>> august 29th.
>
>what?  august 29th?  don't amy and emily finish their run with lilith by
the end
>of july?  are there dates scheduled after the mwmf?
geez... ya know... i *thought* it was aug 29th... but i could be very much
mislead by my sources, as reliable as i thought they were:-) guess it's time
to check out the web and get things right...
peace eh? kim
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in a message dated 98-05-13 17:11:34 edt, you write:

<< mark wrote a note denouncng their "christian"
attitude of calling everyone else sinners and said "i
thought you should know the true meaning of
christianity."

it was great. >>

yeah there are actually christians on this list who may have found that
offensive.  somehow i don't think insulting the belief system of an entire
religious group is really in line with what the indigo girls are really all
about.  not all christian believers spend their time "calling everyone else
sinners".  many of us devote our time to social action as followers of
christ's commandment to "love god and your neighbor as yourself"...  and
coincidentally, some are gay and would agree with the frustration with
christians expressed in your post.  please do not stereotype in such a mean-
spirited fashion.  this list is diverse and we should celebrate our
differences...
-a

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hey folks,

this comes from queernet (at
http://www.queernet.org/outvoice/news.htm).

-sherlyn

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may 9, 1998

press release: glama - gay & lesbian american music awards

the gay/lesbian american music awards decries censorship in indigo girls
concert cancellations

new york -- unfortunately, homophobia is a constant, if subtle, presence
in our world. with the cancellation of several free indigo girls concerts
at high schools last week due to their sexuality and supposedly profane
lyrics, we're also getting a first-hand look at the fear and hate that is
being modeled for youth in our school systems. glama considers the
cancellations a fine example of homophobic censorship.

what started out as a goodwill gesture by the award-winning indigo girls
(including a 1998 glama and a grammy award), has turned into real-life
censorship lesson for all of us, as well as the students at the high
schools where the group would have performed. (a release by the ngltf
explaining the situation and a statement by amy ray of the indigo girls
follows.)

here at glama, we consider the indigo girls heroes for their commitment
to nurturing musical talent and creative self-expression in all youth,
for standing up in the face of homophobia and for careers based in
openness and honesty.

as a gesture of support for the indigo girls and to encourage the support
of others, we suggest you call your local radio stations and request the
song "it's alright" from the indigo girls' cd "shaming the sun", or any
other of your favorite indigo girls songs. dedicate it to the students at
irmo or germantown high school, or to a youth that's important in your
life. we feel the best way to combat the attempts to silence honest music
is to make sure that that music is heard.

michael mitchell
executive director, gay/lesbian american music awards
www.glama.com
212.592.4455
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i just had a really bad experience with my postal service...a list member
sent me four boots ($9 postage) and when i got the package today it had
been opened and a wonderful postal worker had taken the tapes out..so, to
make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else, remember to seal your
envelopes really well, and hopefully you donr have evil postworkers like i
do..they wont do anything about it, so shannon (who sent m e the tapes)
wsted her money, and i now am going to buy four m ore tapes and pay for
postage..im so outraged at the postal people...this is so wrong..what kind
of person goes through your mail?? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!

                  with  love, and all things indigo

                                always,
                                   jeanette
            http://members.tripod.com/~jeanettelynn/jeanette.html

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                everything that i believe is wrong with you
                            is wrong with me
                everything i truly love, i love in you and
                            i love in me
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heyhey...

alright, this will be my second plea. i sent this post through yesterday, but
no one sent me any info. i know that a lot of you delete a lot of the posts.
so, im thinking that one of you has some info, and just didnt see my post. :)
god, im babbling. amyray, does anyone know where i can buy ig hats? like,
baseball hat style. the kind that they sold on tour. i would veryverrry much
appreciate any info. thanks!

love and stars,
*julie*

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is more interesting perhaps
than the story of that emancipation itself."
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hey folks,

here's another article about the suspended students in irmo,
from sonicnet (http://www.sonicnet.com).

-sherlyn

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[ wed., may 13, 8:40 pm pdt ]

court denies indigo girls protesters' back-to-class injunction

suspended students now await district officer's decision on appeals.

randy reiss:

five students given eight-day suspensions for protesting the controversial
cancellation of an indigo girls concert at irmo high school in irmo, s.c.,
were denied a preliminary injunction in south carolina federal district
court on wednesday (may 13).

the students were seeking to be readmitted to classes, claiming that their
suspensions were an attack on their right to free speech.

the plaintiffs filed as a group, with carl a. "andy" brumme iii, american
civil liberties union staff counsel in columbia, s.c., acting as their
attorney. the results of their individual appeals on the school-district
level are due to be released on thursday (may 14) -- day six of their
eight-day suspensions.

the concert -- one of several indigo girls appearances scheduled in an
april and may tour of southern high schools and universities -- was
canceled three weeks ago in response to community concern over the
grammy-winning duo's homosexuality, their lyrics and the appropriateness
of their appearing at a school assembly. following a protest of the
cancellation, 12 students were suspended. only five elected to appeal
their suspensions and take legal action.

according to court documents, chester hicks and the parents of megan
collier, carla gray, katlin spangler and elizabeth carney all filed a
motion for a preliminary injunction against dennis mcmahon, superintendent
of school district five of lexington and richland counties, and gerald
witt, principal of irmo high school. the injunction sought to keep mcmahon
and witt from suspending the students for disobeying the orders of an
administrator because they allegedly were only asked to return to class
and not ordered to do so. the motion stated that the students did not
attend second-period classes last thursday in order to protest witt's
cancellation of the indigo girls concert, which was supposed to happen
that day. they instead peacefully assembled on the school grounds and
returned to the school building at the beginning of third-period classes
after speaking with a teacher. at this point, the petition states, the
students were led into a conference room and were later told that they were
being suspended from school for eight days for failure to obey a direct
order of an administrator.

the students, the petition continues, were well aware that skipping class
would lead to a saturday detention but feel that these suspensions are a
violation of their liberties as guaranteed by the first amendment.

"[e]ven if there had been [an order]," the motion reads, "the order was to
stop protesting, to not exercise a fundamental right."

reached in his columbia, s.c., office after wednesday's hearing, brumme
said he was disappointed in the decision of judge michael patrick duffy to
deny the students an injunction. "the judge looked at it as more of a
discipline issue than a free-speech issue," brumme explained. "our argument
wasn't that schools cannot discipline students; our argument was that the
principal cannot issue a directive to the students to no longer exercise
their first amendment rights."

in knoxville, tenn., three students who each served a three-day suspension
for protesting their principal's decision to call off the indigo girls
show scheduled for their school last week have decided to not appeal the
decision.

meanwhile, school district five spokesperson buddy price said tuesday that
eight irmo students were given eight-day suspensions because they
disobeyed the direct order of the principal, two were given lesser
suspensions of two to three days because it was determined that they were
involved in lesser offenses, and the cases of two other students are still
being examined. of the eight given the eight-day suspensions, price said,
only five have taken the process this far, with the other three electing to
serve their suspensions.

though he had no comment about the students filing suit, price did say that
administrators were adhering to policy. "we are treating these students
just as we would any other student," he explained. "we have these policies
spelled out and we are going by the book."

before the students got to this stage, they followed the district policy
that allowed for a face-to-face meeting with their parents and the
principal. when witt refused to budge following these meetings, they filed
this motion while taking the appeals process to the next step -- a meeting
with a district hearing officer.

the final hearings with the district hearing officer are scheduled for
thursday (may 14).

according to tommy collier jr., a u.s. history teacher at irmo high school
and parent of student-protester megan collier, the district hearing officer
decided late wednesday (may 13) afternoon to issue her decisions on all the
students' appeals on thursday (may 14) afternoon, a move that he is really
upset about. "this means that by the time the decision on the appeal comes
through, my daughter will have almost served all eight days of the
suspension," tommy collier explained. "i'm a u.s. history teacher and i
always teach that we are guaranteed due process and are innocent until
proven guilty, but these students have been judged and sentenced before
their trial. if they were found innocent, which i don't think they will be,
how would they make up those days?"

for her part, 16-year-old megan collier is upset that this unexpected
suspension has caused her to fall behind on her schoolwork, but she is
otherwise satisfied with her participation in the protests. "i don't regret
what i did and neither do the people who did this. i still feel good that
we walked out."

and so does her proud father. "i couldn't be more proud of her, even if she
won the nobel prize," tommy collier said. "she stood up for what she


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date:         wed, 13 may 1998 22:01:07 -0500
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hey everyone-


just wanted to comment that i think that tonight's episode of ellen was
not only touching and funny, but brilliantly written as well...

point was well taken here....i only hope others saw it just a little...


peace-
karrie
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hi.  i was at my local indie record store the other day looking through
the used stuff and i found a single for the remix of shed your skin on
it.  i think it was porbably a copy sent to a radio station because it
said demonstration only on it and wasn't the lilith thingy.  anyways.
so.  the remix is really weird.  it seems like tome morello got rid of
all of the girls's guitar work and replaced it with his own.  the
guitars are sparse i think but really load and sort of crashing as well
as the drums.  ulali's part is much more prelevant i think.  is that a
word?  anyways.  and the vocals seem a little different but not that
much.  i didn't like it at first but it has definately grown on me.  the
only thing i reall don't like about the whole thing is the cover art
which show's a woman(?) who has shed her skin.  so you see her muscles
and there's a sort of bloody skin in her hand.  yuck.  it disturbs me.
anyways, anyone know when michelle malone is going to start touring
again?  i've missed her twice due to her  illness and i really want to
see her (last fall she was sposed to open for the nields at toads and
then this spring at yale)  oh yeah, also, i have no religion but at my
school you study the bible in english as a work of literature.  so a
couple of weeks ago we read the story of sodom and gomorrah.  could
someone with a religious background or biblical knowledge please explain
to me what the connection between a city of sin and homosexuality is?  i
know that people often twist words in the bible to get new meanings but
sodomy is a pretty much in the venacular so there must be some
foundation.  thanks a lot, julia

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and the 6 that controlled 59% of the wealth would be blaming every other
minority for the world's problems to deflect attention from themselves.....

tim

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>point was well taken here....i only hope others saw it just a
>little...
if anyone saw it....
i did not see it advertised even once.  they advertised drew carey...but
not ellen at all.
did anyone notice the lack of any publicity?  sure, it was definately
going to be overshadowed by seinfeld, but still....
love,
  ~carol~

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n- do i need
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i believe in freedom of expression..when i posted that address i didn't mean
for it to sound like we should go and picket him like he does everybody...but
the domain thing gets on my nerves...you can't have the words you can't say on
tv..you know the ones and having a name with anything that is considered
derogatory (and you know what those are too) would not be tolerated...and
that's why i think it's not a bad idea to write his isp...and tell them you
don't agree...if you don't that is...

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the world's graveyards are filled with the remains of well-meaning souls....
i suggest anyone interested in championing the rights of these hate-mongers,
for whatever lofty reason, spend 24 hours in a locked room with "this train,
revisited" on endless replay....

tim

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indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu> said:

> has anyone heard of an artist named jaime anderson?  all i know is that a)
> she is a lesbian and b) she is from arizona.

i know it's totally nigc, but i'm going ahead & posting this to the list
'cause i always appreciate finding out about other cool musicians on this
& other music lists. anyhow, jamie anderson is a very cool, very out,
lesbian folksinger-songwriter with several cd's out. she's one of the
funniest performers i've ever seen (if you're real lucky, she'll twirl
batons or belly dance too). she's got some good political songs, love
songs, etc. but her humorous songs are to die for -- especially "when cats
take over the world". she's got a website at http://www.desert.net/tsunami
if you want more info; there's audio samples there too. and her cd's are
available through ladyslipper (http://www.ladyslipper.org). she'll
probably never be on top 40 radio, and you'll never hear a muzak version
of "menstrual tango" in the grocery store, but hey, she's cool anyway. ;-)

-anne

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                   with your one wild and precious life?"
                                -mary oliver
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i am taking the newsletter back off the shelf and i need peoples help to
make it better. i want to have a page in there do to all indigo girls.
would someone like to do the page for me. it would very much be appreciated
or a page of your choice it doesn't matter. any questions contact me. missy

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can anyone tell me anything about the ig tickets for musikfest that
are supposed to go on sale saturday? the web site is totally unhelpful.
thanks.
-sam (whose teacher-advisor is a lesbian southern baptist)

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jeanette wrote:

>>and when i got the package today it had
been opened and a wonderful postal worker had taken the tapes out..<<

that's interesting...
i just mailed a videotape that i dubbed for someone and
just got a piece of it back in the mail from the (atlanta ) post office saying
that the contents seem to be missing ... would i send a description of the
item so they might try to find it.
i thought it was pretty well sealed...hmmmmm...next time it will
be a veritable fortress of duct tape.

i wonder if this could be a growing trend ?

i have never had a problem before and now two similar
instances is the same week !!!


:o
claire

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please don't hate me for being so incredibly late about this, but i have
finally gotten my boot of the 1/24/98 portland show together and it's
pretty good quality. i'd be glad to dub it for whoever. blank or trades
welcome. set list is:
three hits
it's alright
secure yourself
least complicated
shame on you
love's recovery
dead man's hill
get out the map
chickenman
maryland
baby don't you break my heart slow
romeo and juliet
virginia woolf
scooter boys
kid fears
galileo
winthrop
cut it out/wish you were here
closer to fine
so that's it i guess. email if you're interested and i'll have more info.
-sam (practicing whistling along with closer to fine)

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friends, this is not meant to alarm, but....
with reference to the recent and apparent thefts of mailed ig
tapes....

i have heard from reliable sources that snail mail has sniffy
doggies that are trained to smell and identify indigo girls'
tapes & cd's.  we all know that the girls' music is a precious,
valued commodity in high demand, and since there are some
ruthless people who don't wanna pay for treasured ig music, it
may be that these shameless people have resorted to stealing!?!
shame, shame, and oh, how the girls would disapprove!!!!!

sms (snail-mail-stealing - a term coined by the feds)  is a
federal crime.  maybe we should set up some sorta sms ig sting
thang??  altho, maybe first we should get some sort of sense of
how pervasive this criminal behavior is?  hello, any state law
enforcement or federal agents out there who can provide us with
some crime stats?

another thought, perhaps & just maybe, cause you never know, it
might just could be......some sorta right-wing, conservative,
censorship, homophobic, jerry-religious-guy conspiracy?

also, i think i'm being followed.....two people, wearing black
hats, london fog raincoats, have been tailing me....and no! i'm
not being paranoid..... ;)

wow, it's amazing what we are capable of when we are suppose to
be writing the very last paper of the semester!!!!  i'm not sure
when i became we???  sounds like a medical problem, huh?

peace + love,
barbara
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on wed, 13 may 1998, amanda wrote:

> in the case of godhatesfags.com i am shocked that so
> many people didn't know about this page.  it's
> fricking infamous.  it'll get kicked off, but it
> always comes back.  in fact, diva magazine even had a
> comment about the fact that maybe it's just sorta
> better to ignore them.

i'm not sure who hosts godhatesfags.com now, but i know it *used* to be a
company associated with sanford wallace, of cyberpromo fame.   cyberpromo,
which was responsible for huge amounts of email spam, didn't (as one can
imagine) have all that much respect for common standards of decency, and
promoted itself as an "anything goes" webspace provider.   it also hosted
a site called "net.scum" on which a number of prominent anti-spam
activists were attacked (chris lewis, robert braver et al).   when i
checked these sites after agis pulled the plug on cyberpromo, they had
both gone down.   net.scum is now hosted elsewhere (you can access it from
the "nut.scum" site at http://www.netscum.org/, which was put up by
friends of the anti-spammers); what the phelps rabble have done since then
i've no idea.

mat

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this virus is a known hoax.   there is absolutely nothing to worry about.

any message telling you that a virus can just jump out of an email and
infect your system or your hard-drive must be a hoax - this sort of thing
just can't happen.

please see the webpage:  http://www.kumite.com/myths/

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date: 5/13/98 2:16 pm
from: charles lore <charles@trep.com

"if you receive an e-mail titled "win a holiday" do not open
it.  it will erase everything on your hard drive.  forward
this letter out to as many people as you can.  this is a
new, very malicious virus and not many people know about it.
this information was announced yesterday morning from
microsoft; please share it with everyone that might access
the internet.

once again, pass this along to everyone in your address book
so that this may be stopped.

also, do not open or even look at any mail that says
"returned unable to deliver".  this virus will attach itself
to your computer components and render them useless.
immediately delete any mail items that say this.

aol has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that
there is no remedy for it at this time.  please practice
cautionary measures and forward this to all your online
friends asap."


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mmedido (aka claire aka ms binky) wrote:

> >>and when i got the package today it had
>   been opened and a wonderful postal worker had taken the tapes
>   out..<<
>
> that's interesting...
> i just mailed a videotape that i dubbed for someone and
> just got a piece of it back in the mail from the (atlanta) post
> office saying that the contents seem to be missing ... would i send a
> description of the item so they might try to find it.
> i thought it was pretty well sealed...hmmmmm...next time it will
> be a veritable fortress of duct tape.
>
> i wonder if this could be a growing trend ?
>
> i have never had a problem before and now two similar
> instances is the same week !!!

well, all conspiracy theories aside (not that there's anything *wrong*
with conspiracies or conspiracy theorists -- all paranoid
manic-depressive episodes aside -- not there's there's anything *wrong*
with paranoid manic-depressive episodes -- hey, some of my best friends
happen to be... episodic)!  ;)

but seriously, i think... the best way to prevent mail being torn open,
ripped open, peeked at... is to seriously overdo the heavy-duty plastic
mailing tape or... to use tyvek mailing envelopes.

i happen to be in love with tyvek -- it weighs nothing -- it's a great
way to recycle all those bubble mailing envelopes by re-using it inside
the big tyvek env as a tape protector) -- and the stuff is virtually
indestructable.

however, it can be expensive -- unless you buy in bulk from a place that
has halfway decent prices.

i discovered that office depot (<http://www.officedepot.com> /
800-685-8800) has reasonable prices for many office-type items. (i just
got their new 500+ pg catalog -- lots of way kewl stuff and toys!)

"survivor tyvek - open end env w release strip":
you can get boxes of 50:
9 x 12  plain white - $14.49   @ $0.29 ea
10 x 13 plain white - $15.99   @ $0.32 ea
10 x 13 1st class  -  $16.99   @ $0.34 ea

"survivor tyvek - open end mailing env w release strip":
boxes of 100:
9 x 12  plain white - $21.99   @ $0.22 ea
9 x 12  1st class  -  $22.99   @ $0.23 ea
10 x 13 plain white - $25.19   @ $0.25 ea
10 x 13 1st class  -  $29.99   @ $0.30 ea

that may sound expensive -- *but*... exactly how much did that maxell xl
ii tape cost? and exactly how many bootlegs do you have? multiply those
2 numbers together -- oops, i forgot the postage -- both mailing and
return -- so... add another approx $2.00 ea -- so... would it really
break the bank to add another $0.44 to $0.68 ([$0.22 to $0.34] x 2 one
for mailing/ one for return) to it for a little added security... ???

hmmmm ???

this has been yet another little patented nigc fyi message in the
series...  ;)

:o)
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mat wrote:

> this virus is a known hoax.   there is absolutely nothing to worry > about.

> any message telling you that a virus can just jump out of an email
> and infect your system or your hard-drive must be a hoax - this sort
> of thing just can't happen.

however, there are a few known bugs/ problems with some mailers and
browsers -- which can in fact be crashed by something as simple as an
incorrect date -- i know. netscape 3.0 has done it twice to me. (but it
can be easily fixed, if you know how -- and if you can find the culprit
that did it!)

(yeah, i know i need to upgrade to netscape 4.0x, but i want to save all
my mail stuff... which means i have to copy it all... and it's such a
pain... and <whine whine>...)  ;)

*however*... the only things that *can* affect your hard drive from
email are executable program mail attachments (exe files) -- so *never*
open an exe attachment without knowing exactly who sent it to you and
why *and* without letting an updated virus detection program check it
first.

this has been yet another little patented nigc fyi message in the
series...  ;)

:o)
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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 07:39:36 edt
reply-to:     wmntime <wmntime@aol.com>
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since i wrote about the watershed videotape the other night, specifically the
"closer to fine" video, i decided to watch "closer to fine" before leaving for
work this morning.  i had talked about amy looking so good in a leather jacket
but when i watched it this time, i noticed that she only had the jacket on for
a very short time in the video....but then again, it doesn't surprise me that
it made such an impression because amy does look great.

i can't believe the song is almost 10 years old!  it still sounds good every
time i hear it.  like many other people, "closer to fine" was the first thing
i've heard from the indigo girls.

wmntime

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carol wrote:

> if anyone saw it....
> i did not see it advertised even once.  they advertised drew > carey...but
> not ellen at all.
> did anyone notice the lack of any publicity?  sure, it was definately
> going to be overshadowed by seinfeld, but still....


ellen's point exactly....after the coming out episode, abc rarely
promoted or supported her show, overshadowing it by drew and dharma and
greg.....

seinfeld has nothing to do with it...they have been pulling this crap
all year long...  :p

peace-
karrie


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carol wrote:

> if anyone saw it....
> i did not see it advertised even once.  they advertised drew > carey...but
> not ellen at all.
> did anyone notice the lack of any publicity?  sure, it was definately
> going to be overshadowed by seinfeld, but still....


ellen's point exactly....after the coming out episode, abc rarely
promoted or supported her show, overshadowing it by drew and dharma and
greg.....

seinfeld has nothing to do with it...they have been pulling this crap
all year long...  :p

peace-
karrie


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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 08:16:38 -0400
reply-to:     "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
subject:      re: nigc- ellen
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i saw ellen tonight (well taped it, and then went downstairs to watch it
with my nifty neighbors!) - and i didn't know what to expect.  had it been
done any differently, i would have been crying...but it made me laugh
enough to keep that from happening *points to self* *big huge sap* :)

i hope lifetime does pick up the reruns!

--audra

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*     *     *     *     *                                           |
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tisara@webworqs.com                                                 |
*     *     *     *     *                                           |
thought for the moment: "i'm singing now because my tear ducts
                        are too tired/my mind is disconnected
                        but my heart is wired." - ani difranco
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from:         "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
subject:      re: musikfest info please...(really kewl igc)
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i emailed the web site ppl and got a response - the tickets go on sale on
may 16th, at 10a...the number is 610-332-1350.  prices are $13 or $11 for
the girls :)
*bounces* *informs her friends*

--audra


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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 09:30:08 -0400
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from:         mcunningham <mcunningham5@earthlink.net>
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hkf's,

i have a quick question about specifics regarding getting tickets on-line,
through an outlet, or over the phone.  is it true that you can only get
tickets on-line an hour after they go on sale?  (which would be waaaaay too
late imo)  also how early do you need to get to the tm outlet and what time
do they go on sale?  (the lf site says sat. the 16th - but is it 10:00am?)
lastly, over the phone - i've heard you try to get some agent on just
before they go on sale and then you can order them as soon as they go on
sale - does this work a lot?

thanks for listening!
8-)
(private or ig e-mail - it doesn't matter)
8-)
mkc

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 09:56:48 edt
reply-to:     ljebsen <ljebsen@aol.com>
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did we ever figure out if there was a 4th h.s. cancellation?!?

peace,
lisa j.
who says: 46 days to nm lillith!!  :)
who's also wants to create a homepage entitled www.godesshatesidiots
:):):)

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reply-to:     bethany p <pbethany@hotmail.com>
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>> if anyone saw it....i did not see it advertised even once.  they
advertised drew > carey...but not ellen at all.  did anyone notice the
lack of any publicity?  sure, it was definately going to be overshadowed
by seinfeld, but still....

i saw ellen advertised a lot...several times in the last couple of
weeks...probably more than i've ever seen it advertised.  maybe they
decided to give her just a *little* credit since this, in fact, was her
last show.  maybe they're just happy to get rid of her?!  the
commercials really pissed me off though..they showed everyone *but*
her...i thought that was kinda interesting...helen hunt, woody
harrelson, etc...but no ellen....loved the episode though. :) very
different...

bethany :)

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fit in my hand...but i think if i played it a little, it might fill up
the whole world." ~~ sherman alexie


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reply-to:     jenny brust <jennyb@opengroup.org>
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from:         jenny brust <jennyb@opengroup.org>
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>the world's graveyards are filled with the remains of well-meaning souls....
>i suggest anyone interested in championing the rights of these hate-mongers,
>for whatever lofty reason, spend 24 hours in a locked room with "this train,
>revisited" on endless replay....

i fail to see how we can protect speech/expression for one group without
extending that same right to everyone else.  while i see nothing right in
the words/thoughts of  "hate-mongers", i see nothing wrong in listening.
to know ones opposition is the best way to defeat them, and how else can we
know them unless they are allowed to speak freely?

just my thoughts.
jenny

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 08:46:19 -0500
reply-to:     carley mealey <carley@writeme.com>
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i would have to agree here.  we complain about others being insensitive and
making stereotypical remarks, or simply spreading lies and shame, yet here
we are doing the same to others.  what wonderful examples of tolerance we
are.

my apologies.

carley
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from: green51976 <green51976@aol.com>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
date: wednesday, may 13, 1998 7:24 pm
subject: re: gay used to mean...


>in a message dated 98-05-13 17:11:34 edt, you write:
>
><< mark wrote a note denouncng their "christian"
> attitude of calling everyone else sinners and said "i
> thought you should know the true meaning of
> christianity."
>
> it was great. >>
>
>yeah there are actually christians on this list who may have found that
>offensive.  somehow i don't think insulting the belief system of an entire
>religious group is really in line with what the indigo girls are really all
>about.  not all christian believers spend their time "calling everyone else
>sinners".  many of us devote our time to social action as followers of
>christ's commandment to "love god and your neighbor as yourself"...  and
>coincidentally, some are gay and would agree with the frustration with
>christians expressed in your post.  please do not stereotype in such a
mean-
>spirited fashion.  this list is diverse and we should celebrate our
>differences...
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in a message dated 98-05-14 10:12:29 edt, jennyb writes:

<< i fail to see how we can protect speech/expression for one group without
extending that same right to everyone else.  while i see nothing right in
the words/thoughts of  "hate-mongers", i see nothing wrong in listening.
to know ones opposition is the best way to defeat them, and how else can we
know them unless they are allowed to speak freely? >>


most of what i learned in history (all those damn dates and battles, etc.) i
forgot long ago, but one thing i did learn....the forces that would do us harm
hold no such lofty ideals....  it's only one short step from god.hates.fags to
kill.all.fags....i'm basically a live-and-let-live type, but it wasn't all
that long ago (in historical terms) that a good friend of mine was jailed (and
beaten) in toronto for the "crime" of kissing her g/f in public....  don't
assume that the other side plays bt the rules....

tim


original message:

<< >the world's graveyards are filled with the remains of well-meaning
souls....
>i suggest anyone interested in championing the rights of these hate-mongers,
>for whatever lofty reason, spend 24 hours in a locked room with "this train,
>revisited" on endless replay.... >>

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reply-to:     dan perkins <dan@tcdrs.org>
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>  >>>>  don't assume that the other side plays bt the rules....
>
>
>this may be true, but just because the other side deoesn't play by the rules,
>doesn't mean we have to play at their level. remember:
>
>       "when you hate me, i can still love you"
>               -amy ray
>
>freedom of speach is vital, even if it is speach we disagree with. while it
>may be a short step from god hates fags to kill all fags, it is the step
>between protected speach and violation of others rights. while it is legally,
>though maybe not morally, acceptable to say one believes that god hates fags,
>or even to say "i hate fags", i don't believe it is either morall or legal to
>say, "let's kill these people". there is a very important distinction there.
>
>i think it's better (though very difficult) to look on these hate mongers
>with compassion. realize that for some reason they need to live a life filled
>with a constant preoccupation with hate and intolerance. what a terrible way
>to  live one's life. full of anger, hate, divisiveness. somehow, their
>psyche, their core being has been scarred and twisted in such a way that they
>spend their days and nights consummed with a hate for people who have never
>done them harm. it's really sad when you think about it.
>
>i would rather try to live my life filled with love, compassion, tolerance
>and acceptance of my brothers and sisters who share this planet. i know i
>don't feel that way all the time, but i am happier aspiring towards that,
>rather than filling my life with hatred for those who hate.
>
>peace,
>
>dan perkins
>austin, texas
>
>"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"
>               -emily saliers
>
>
>

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 13:36:11 -0400
reply-to:     sharon parker/kirsten shonle <isis1@megalink.net>
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from:         sharon parker/kirsten shonle <isis1@megalink.net>
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the point about adolph hitler needs to be addressed--hitler did have his
freedom of expression, true...but he banned all others in favor of his own.
i am not as concerned about people from "god hates fags" becoming like
hitler...i'm worried about people like us  becoming like hitler.  when we
decide that we have the right to choose what opinions are okay for other
people to express, we become the enemy.

i had originally said, with some other stuff
> << there is something called "freedom of expression". i really hurt every
time
>  i see pages like the one we are all upset about, but let me tell you
that
>  everyone has a right to say what he or she wants about any given subject
>  and we do not have the right to try and get rid of it.
>
and you replied...
> i see your point, and this is definitely not a flame, but there is a
point
> where "freedom of expression" ends....  adolph hitler enjoyed the same
freedom
> in the 1930's....  nits grow into lice....  sexual minorities provoke too
many
> knee jerk reflexes amongst the unenlightened, and we are easy targets for
> demigogues and pedagogues and hate-mongers....  if abc can be cowed from
> showing an on-screen kiss involving a lesbian central character in a
situation
> comedy, we are not all that far from the dark ages....  it seems to be ok
to
> use stereotypes as comic relief (i.e. objects of ridicule), but to have a
> sympathetic lead character who loves another of the same gender is
> verboten.....

let's just remember that as long as their is freedom for all then we can
work for a better future.  once one side, and which side isn't important,
decides what the general public should be allowed to see, freedom becomes a
joke.
   peace,
         sharoane

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 13:45:47 -0400
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okay folks, pull your blankies over your heads and groan, because i'm about
to make another complaint.  before i get started, please understand that i
have just had the week from hell--very likely the worst week of my life and
i'm almost thirty years old and hope like hell that it doesn't ever get
worse than this--so if i come across a little bit pissy i really apologize,
because i'm trying hard not to.  also, this post is not directed at any
particular ani related post, even though i grabbed one to reply to.
     in the past i've joked about the volume of ani posts on this list but
never made a complaint because my gf and i met at an ani show, yadda yadda,
but this week with my gf has made that association kind of sour, and so i
feel it's time i said something.
there is supposedly an ani list.  i have also heard that it's hard to get
on it, or something to that effect, but really, i'm starting to see that
ani is taking up at least a quarter of all posts here these days and i'm
getting a little tired of it.  i mean, she is a friend of amy ray's, but at
this point most folk/rock/women performers can claim friendship with one or
both of ig, so i'm suggesting, not demanding, that we try to maybe limit
the ani posts. now, i know i'm gonna get flamed, so let me say again that i
am not throwing a tantrum and flaming anyone who has mentioned ani in an
nigc post in the past ten years.  i'm just saying that i've reached my
personal limit. i am also aware that i'm one person, and if the
overwhelming majority of us here on this list want ani posts, then i'll
just use my delete key and keep happily quiet, since i subscribe to the
list in non digest form.  i had to say it. i'm pretty full of all kinds of
tumultuous personal feelings and right now have no room for any other kind
of irritation, so i'm venting. i apologize in advance for inadvertantly
hurting anyone's feelings, and please, if you want to reply to me about
this, feel free, but try not to flame your ideas at me. i can listen to
polite disagreement a lot better.
   peace,
           sharoane

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thanks to everyone who wrote into creative loafing and asked that they
investigate the lift breakup a little further.   your letters have paid off in
the following mention in the local releases section of this weeks paper (at
least the truth is out there now!)

"lift have been in the studio recording new material with engineer blake
"binkie" eiseman (urban grind, shock lobo, ruben kincaid) twiddling the knobs.
the group is reportedly using session players in place of departed band
members julie clark and david patterson.  "i think it's important that lift
fans know that david and i were fired," comments clark, who along with
patterson has moved on to other freelance work.  "attention joan jett," she
adds, "i am available!"

thanks!!!!
lisa

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 14:17:08 -0400
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you make it sound like we are all a bunch of blindly optomistic people.  in
reality, i've been fired from a job i needed and loved, lost good friends,
been preached to by several different religious groups, called names, etc.
in my life.  i studied the holocaust in school, met survivors of
concentration camps, worked with activists, etc...
and i still believe in everyone's rights to their opinions and to freely
express those opinions.
  i will not become the enemy.
   peace,
      sharoane

> the world's graveyards are filled with the remains of well-meaning
souls....
> i suggest anyone interested in championing the rights of these
hate-mongers,
> for whatever lofty reason, spend 24 hours in a locked room with "this
train,
> revisited" on endless replay....
>
> tim
>

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still not an excuse for us to sink to that level...i mean, if they don't
and we realize this and then we don't...then goodbye ideals, hello
censorship and disrespect by all for all...

>
>
> most of what i learned in history (all those damn dates and battles,
etc.) i
> forgot long ago, but one thing i did learn....the forces that would do us
harm
> hold no such lofty ideals....

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 14:42:44 -0500
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from:         kendra d elliott <freakgrrl5@juno.com>
subject:      nigc...help...i missed ellen.

sorry for the nigc, but i hope that someone on this list can help me.  i
missed the final episode of ellen because i had to work.  i set my vcr,
but something happened and i didn't get it.  the vcr ate the tape and
didn't want to eject it at all.  if anyone has this on tape and could
make a copy of it for me i would be very grateful.  i can send you a
blank tape and sase or i could trade you for something...so email me
privately if you can help.
thanks
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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 16:12:13 edt
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in a message dated 98-05-14 15:47:25 edt, you write:

<< ellen's point exactly....after the coming out episode, abc rarely
promoted or supported her show, overshadowing it by drew and dharma and
greg.....

seinfeld has nothing to do with it...they have been pulling this crap
all year long...   >>

i would not be surprised if there was a deliberate attempt to hurt the show.
i read that abc executive bob iger had something to do with this.  this was
the same man who moved twin peaks from thursday to saturday night and the show
never recovered.  then, even after a huge fanbase started the organization
coop (citizens opposing the offing of peaks) and started mailing logs and
donuts and barbies wrapped in plastic to mr. iger, he still cancelled the
show.  i think this guy deliberately causes damage to shows he doesn't like.
-a

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is there a snippit of this song anywhere on the net????

just curious....baby don't you break my heart slow

thanks - b

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i have a sort of suggestion...  now i'm sure we all agree that this type of
page (god. hates.fags) is offensive, innapropriate, etc. , but i'm sure we
also realize that if we wish to maintain our rights to free expression, others
have to be allowed that same right also.  since we all seem to be in agreement
on these two points, and also the fact that this discussion has drifted away
from any semblance of igc, i'm suggesting this topic be taken to private
mail....  although each of the points made in the posts is important and well
written, they are simply no longer related to the list at large....
what do you think?
leslie

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can someone tell me if the ig are playing at the lilith in vancouver,b.c.?
and does anyone know if it's sold out yet? and what's the exact date? thanx,bron
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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 15:56:36 -0500
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according to the epic indigo girls site ig will appear on letterman on
thursday, june 4th.

peace,

dan

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please take the bigotry discussion to private e-mail!
i've been deleting messages now for about a week on it!

enough is enough!

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hey. i'm sorry to ask this far into the game and after the addresses were
already posted to the list, but i just now decided to write a letter to the
three principals who cancelled the girls' shows. so could someone please
e-mail me privately with one or more of the addresses to: farragut high
school, irmo high school, and germantown high school? thank you so much!
                                                chris :)

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hey folks,

first up - could we take the freedom-of-expression debate to
private email?  thanks.

secondly, there's a bunch of things i meant to comment on in the
past few days, but never quite got around to.  i'm going to throw
them all in here -

* one of the news articles i forwarded a few days ago mentioned
that there were four schools who cancelled ig.  i meant to say
at the time, i think that was a misprint... i've been keeping
fairly up-to-date with what's going on and nowhere else have i
heard any mention of a fourth school cancelling.  i think there
were only three.

* hats.  best place to get them is at shows (if they're selling
at shows at the moment?  not sure) - or else try the fan club...

* somebody on the lilith fair mailing list mentioned that
apparently starbucks will be selling some lilith merchandise,
including cds, before the tour actually starts.   i don't know
if this will include the ig sys single or what... could somebody
in the us maybe see what they could find out about this?  thanks.

* for vonda shepherd sound files, try here:
http://www-scf.usc.edu/~gwagener/vonda.html.

okay, i think that's all for now - or rather, i'm going to be
late for work if i don't stop there. :)  oh, btw, there's a new
christine lavin mailing list, email me if you want subscribe
info...

happy happy - :)
sherlyn
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> um....i'm starting to ramble like jill certo and i'm
> going now ok so bye bye,

i swear, jill, you've become a legend.

sorry, that just cracked me up, and what with my workload, i really
needed it.  thanks!
:-)
smiles and dreams of work free sunny days...
michal

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from:         amanda <biodb8er@rocketmail.com>
subject:      re: gay used to mean...
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ok i have been misunderstood!

i'm not saying i hate christianity.  what i am saying
is that taking the bible into your own hands and
calling everyone else sinners is not christian.

are you a part of the cult at school?  no!  do you
walk around calling everyone else sinners?  no!  is
that what mark was complaining about?  yes!  that is
why what he said was great.  because he was telling
them what christianity is really about.

amanda

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---green51976  wrote:
>
> in a message dated 98-05-13 17:11:34 edt, you write:
>
> << mark wrote a note denouncng their "christian"
>  attitude of calling everyone else sinners and said
"i
>  thought you should know the true meaning of
>  christianity."
>
>  it was great. >>
>
> yeah there are actually christians on this list who
may have found that
> offensive.  somehow i don't think insulting the
belief system of an entire
> religious group is really in line with what the
indigo girls are really all
> about.  not all christian believers spend their
time "calling everyone else
> sinners".  many of us devote our time to social
action as followers of
> christ's commandment to "love god and your neighbor
as yourself"...  and
> coincidentally, some are gay and would agree with
the frustration with
> christians expressed in your post.  please do not
stereotype in such a mean-
> spirited fashion.  this list is diverse and we
should celebrate our
> differences...
> -a

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 18:49:20 -0500
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i've finally gotten copies of those dat boots i was telling
you about.

frave? pavilion, 6/13/97
dayton, 11/15/97
bloomington, 12/9/97
lilith fair (only indigo girls) from 8/8/97

i don't have them scanned in yet, but i've listened to them
and they are amazing, better quality than any i've offered
so far.

i'm not offering them yet so don't send me blanks.  it'll
be a few weeks until i have them scanned in.  just wanted to
let you all know what shows i do have.

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*  / | \  *  rick
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in the past couple of days i've barely seen anything indigo girls related, so
let me bring something up.  i'm trying to decide whether or not to go to
lilith fair.  i have little interest in any of the artists other than the
girls and missy elliot.  when the girls played last year, how long were they
on stage?  i wouldn't want to go out for a whole day and have amy and emily
sing only 4 or 5 songs.

thanks,

wmntime

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 20:49:15 -0400
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subject:      re: how long was the girls' act at lilith last year?
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yeah, i was wondering about that too. i sure hope people like missy elliot
don't get more playing time than ig. i'm not really big on anyone but the
girls, although i would get a kick out of seeing missy elliot do ctf with
ig. anyone else think that'd be hilarious? also, i got tickets to the
holmdel, nj lilith fair on-line, and some how or another i ended up with
two tickets. i don't need this other one. it's in the ochestra section
which i believe is the section nearest to the stage. i'm looking to sell
this ticket to anyone for the price i must pay ticketbastard. if anyone is
interested, please e-mail me privately. thanks a lot. happy day to all, i
am done with all real highschool work! :) yeah!
rebecca

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 20:53:59 -0400
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hey.  i hate to post this to the list, but someone posted a few days ago
looking for a pic of amy and emily and melissa etheridge.  i'm not sure
who it was, but i just happened to come across a web page with a pic of
all 3 of them.  so, whoever wanted that, here is a web page:
http://members.tripod.com/~lady_lamia/indigogirlsindex.html

sharon

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date:         thu, 14 may 1998 18:04:19 pdt
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>>what kind of person goes through your mail??

my mail carrier keeps my spin magazine every month. :p
he also reads through 17, cosmo, etc...i just wish he'd give me my
spins..he's not interrested in rollin stone for some reason!

lamia


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i'm sorry to see we're surrounded by hate, hate, hate.
when i go to sleep at night, i can still pray,
does it make you hate me?
because when you hate me, i can still love you."
-amy ray

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hello members,
@-;--
leanne here with your weekly update...
first of all i would like to introduce to you a new addition to murmurs (&
no- i don't mean a new addition of sarah's hee hee).
please welcome jennifer gray (clap, clap, clap), assisstant fan club
coordinator! because the fan club has expanded quite considerably and
continues to grow every day, jen's support is greatly appreciated. i will
be on the road with lilith fair for most of the summer (yay!), therefore
she will be taking care of things from our office here at nettwerk. so in
the future, she will be posting and conversing with anyone that has
inquiries.

now onto sarah news:

u.s. fans will be happy to know that vh1 is broadcasting a repeat of
sarah's 'storytellers' performance *sunday, may 17th*,  starting at 6pm
followed immediately by 'storytellers: the lost tapes' at 7pm, which will
be showing some previously unseen performances by sarah, paula cole, sting,
elvis costello, and many more. at 9pm that same night, sarah will be seen
on the 'behind the music' special called nowhere to hide, which will show
interviews with sarah and belinda carlisle and others, talking of their
experiences with stalkers. be sure to tune in to get a sobering look at
this subject. all times for these shows are est.

a tidbit:  'hold on' will be featured in the made-for-tv movie thanks of a
grateful nation, which airs on the showtime network at 8pm (est) on
*sunday, may 31st*.


and in lilith '98 news:

the next round of tickets  go on-sale for the following shows this weekend
on *saturday, may 16th* :

        * new york, ny @ jones beach (both dates)
        * camden, nj @ the entertainment center
        * atlanta, ga @ lakewood amphitheater
        * orlando, fl @ central florida fairgrounds
        * austin, tx @ south park meadows
        * dallas, tx @ starplex amphitheater
        * st.louis, mo @ riverport amphitheater
        * chicago, il @ the world
        * cleveland, oh @ blossom music center
        * cincinnati, oh @ riverbend music center
        * hershey, pa @ hershey park stadium

tickets for all of these shows will be made available through ticketmaster on
the 16th, and will be going on sale between 9am and 10am. contact
ticketmaster for further details on that day. tickets are also available
via their web site on that day.

please note that tickets for lilith fair in west palm beach, florida at the
coral sky amphitheater will actually be going on-sale **friday, may 15th**.

so have a fantastic friday and weekend (l-o-n-g weekend for us canadians!)
and play safe!

{{{murmurs-hugs}}}
ljb


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murmurs@nettwerk.com

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murmurs
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1650 west 2nd ave.
vancouver, bc
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http://www.sarahmclachlan.com
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date:         fri, 15 may 1998 14:22:11 +1200
reply-to:     lynda raina <l1rw@telecom.co.nz>
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ok,

so any americans out there who have just watched the last
seindfeild episode...please...email me about what happened... i
am dieing to know and we probably wont get that episode here
in nz  for another couple of months...so pretty please..

thanks a lot,
lynda

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melissa did sing with ig.


may 23, 1989  the roxy, los angeles, ca                             aud b+
90 min

closer to fine, secure yourself, love's recovery, welcome me, make it
easier, center stage, crazy game, land of canaan, blood and fire, girl with
the weight..., prince of darkness, strange fire, kid fears (with melissa
etheridge), summertime (w. m. etheridge), all along the watchtower, american
tune

i have this tape.  it isn't great quality.  i can't dub massive copies at
the moment, but if there are a lot of requests, maybe i'll do a copy for
someone who can then be a mini tree.

lori


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on thu, 14 may 1998, wmntime wrote:

> in the past couple of days i've barely seen anything indigo girls related, so
> let me bring something up.  i'm trying to decide whether or not to go to
> lilith fair.  i have little interest in any of the artists other than the
> girls and missy elliot.  when the girls played last year, how long were they
> on stage?  i wouldn't want to go out for a whole day and have amy and emily
> sing only 4 or 5 songs.

   they usually do an hourlong set, and then some appearances (like the
big yellow taxi jams) with other people.  i went primarily for the indigo
girls, (and lisa loeb, too...) but discovered a lot of artists i wouldn't
have known otherwise --- sarah m., michelle malone, kim fox.  it's a good
time...just go with an open mind.

   darius

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ok all you nifty people out there, i may regret asking this but along with
the bumper sticker thang, i thought i'd throw it out there.  would anyone be
interested in hemp bracletes/ necklaces with those cool metal letter blockes
on them that say
" ig ".  i would use blue hemp. and they'd be really nifty looking.  i could
put something else on them too if anyone would like.  in fact if anyone wants
i can put anything on it, in any color hemp.  so if you like the ig thing or
whatever or if you just like hemp, let me know!
val

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