lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-06a

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 14:43:18 +1000
reply-to: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from: sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject: looking for old setlists for the tour archive
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hey folks,

deb reiser's on the road and will probably be back at the end of
this week. in her absence i've volunteered to update the setlist
portion of her shaming of the sun tour archive site, which is at
http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/archivehome.html. i thought it'd
be a nice surprise for deb if i could get some more setlists up
before she comes back - there are still quite a few missing,
especially from recent shows (deb's been so busy packing she
hasn't had time to do many updates lately!).

so, i'm looking for setlists from mid-1997 onwards that aren't
already listed on deb's site. i won't list all the ones that are
missing here, 'cos there a quite a few of them, but if anybody
can send me any of the missing setlists, i'll put them online
with thanks.

you can see the list at
http://ftp.wi.net/~dreiser/ig/setlists.html. mail any setlists
to me at sherlyn@fl.net.au...

thanks folks -
sherlyn
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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 07:50:06 +0100
reply-to: matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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from: matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject: re: virus warning... (fwd)
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i forwarded the redteam virus alert to the man who runs the kumite "virus
myths" home page the other day to see if it was legit. this is what he
says ...

mat

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: sun, 31 may 1998 18:37:12 -0500
from: rob rosenberger <us@kumite.com>
to: matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
subject: re: virus warning... (fwd)

redteam exists -- but it receives too much airplay.  i'll probably need to
upgrade it to a truly "overblown" alert one of these days...  hope this info
helps!  my very best to you, and please keep fighting the hysteria.

rob rosenberger, webmaster
computer virus myths home page
http://www.kumite.com/myths

[original alert deleted]

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 14:19:38 +350
reply-to: "mr. mohammad hosain karimi" <karimi.g4m@sadi.ut.ac.ir>
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from: "mr. mohammad hosain karimi" <karimi.g4m@sadi.ut.ac.ir>
organization: faculity of science of uni. tehran

hi all:
i'm an afghanian student at tehran university,and i'm studing
geology.but my english is not very good.i'm attempting to improve it
if you could kindly provide me with sufficent information,i will be
greatful.thanks in advance.
best wishes.
m.h karimi

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 07:36:54 -0400
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subject: re: read!!! lotsa stuff---newport
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in-reply-to: <19980601034826.15509.qmail@hotmail.com> from "jill certo" at may
 31, 98 08:48:25 pm
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the dar date you found with "two other people" is with richard thompson and
bruce cockburn, two of the best singer songwriters in existance today... i
was going to go to the show in maine, but i have a chance to see sinead the
same night in boston - very tough decision...
didn't mel post gobs of info on the tour earlier?
*getting restless for all the great shows i have tixs to see....*
mike r.

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 08:10:08 -0400
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subject: re: (nigc) nat'l women's music festival ---> heather bishop
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heather bishop??!?!
wait a minute here...who is this heather bishop? does anyone know? i
used to know a girl named heather bishop...worked in radio...if anyone has
any info on her, please e-mail me. thank you!
-jen

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on fri, 29 may 1998, jill certo wrote:

> hey y'all--
>
> pardon if this was already discussed during my list hiatus, but i found
> this in the gay people's chronicle pride guide:
>
> 24th annual national women's music festival, june 25-28,
> on the campus of ball state university, muncie, in. (new location)
>
> "an all-indoor festival; hot showers, flush toilets, and no rained-out
> concerts!" (hmmm, pitting ourselves against that *other* festival, now
> aren't we? ;))
>
> thurs. 6/25
> workshop intensives: drumming with vicki noble and layne redmond
>
> faith nolan
> zrazy
> kate clinton
>
> fri. 6/26
> guest speaker holly near
> lucie blue tremblay
> nedra johnson
> june and jean millington
> holly near
>
> sat. 6/27
> guest speaker **dorothy allison**  (!!!!!!)
> suede
> catie curtis   (haven't i heard her mentioned on the list before?)
> heather bishop
> alive!
>
> sun. 6/28
> guest speaker anita hill
> comedy concert w/ vickie shaw, karen williams, charlene tapia
>
> festival passes run from $220 for a 4-day pass to $75-$55 for just one
> day.  passes are also available for just the mainstage concerts, those
> run $30 per day.  housing ($27/night for a double room) and meals (debit
> cards from $15-$45) are extra.
>
> work exchange can be arranged.
>
> **special pricing**: ages 19-25 and 65-70 are half price;
> under 18 and 70+ are **free**. (so all the h.s. students who read this
> should take this opportunity!).
>
> **ceu credits available for social workers and teachers**
>
> for more info, call (317) 927-9355 voice/ (317) 923-4995 fax;
> email  wia@indy.net        or visit   www.a1.com/wia
>
>
>
> hope this interests somebody out there...
> lovies,
> jill
>
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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 09:24:34 edt
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hey y'all--
i was looking up dar dates on music- cal, and they had several listings for
the dar/bruce/.richard lineup, but also a specific "travelling newport" lineup
including michelle shocked and others....this show is in georgia.....
lmd

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 10:07:53 -0400
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water is wide will be shown at 5:55 pm eastern today, monday june 1 on cmt,
according to their playlist.

and for the person who asked about tour schedules for michelle malone etc.
the one i can help with is danielle howle: their van exploded. i don't know
how it affected their other dates, but i know they had to cancel their visit
to canada.

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 10:34:11 -0400
reply-to: joan morrison <110526.3474@compuserve.com>
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hey folks,

my tv newspaper doesn't list any musical guests on letterman for thursday
or friday.  and now i'm hearing that sarah m. is slated for monday (is that
today or monday june 8th?).   i guess i'm just gonna have to tune in to
find out...    has anyone heard anything more about it?

peace,

joan :-d

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 10:41:03 -0700
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i haven't gone to look yet (i'm on my way to work) but there is a site
at http://www.rockontv.com that lists all music-related people who will
be appearing on tv in the week to come...great source...so that may be
of some help-i hope so :)

kim
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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 09:25:41 pdt
reply-to: adia difranco <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
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http://www.rockontv.com
says:

monday
11:35pm cbs letterman sarah mclachlan
no leno listing

tuesday
11:35pm cbs letterman randy travis
leno brooks & dunn with reba mcentire

wednesday
nothing listed

thursday
11:35 p.m. cbs letterman fastball
11:35 p.m. nbc leno rod stewart

friday
11:35pm nbc leno natalie imbruglia
no letterman listing

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 09:46:27 -0700
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subject: question
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im toally computer illeiterate, but i do have a web page and would like to
put up a pic of amy and emily...i dont have a scanner ot anything like
that (schools computer) but on my web page it says that i can type in a
url for a pic...does anyone know of any good pics with urls?? thanks!!!

with love, and all things indigo

                                always,
                                   jeanette
            http://members.tripod.com/~jeanettelynn/jeanette.html

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 12:47:15 -0400
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i just ran across this, and didn't know if there were any buffy fans out
there. especially since ig covered her song "bury my heart at wounded
knee". either way, here you go...

"sharing the fire online"

an educational program called cradleboard, founded by buffy sainte-marie,
matches up native american and non-native students to get beyond
stereotypes. by steve silberman.

http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/12630.html

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nobody grows old by merely living a number of years.  people grow only
by deserting their ideals.  years may wrinkle this skin, but to give up
interest wrinkles the soul.            - d. m.
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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 09:46:04 -0700
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the beautiful jill certo wrote!

really?, well, i live in your hometown, we're
*everywhere*," and he got pissed and wrote that they
should send all of "you fucking fags to an island."

i've been told this. my fave response it one i heard
judy carter (a lesbian comic) give:

they did and they call that island manhatten. (the
joke would work better if i could spell manhatten.)

amanda

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"have you ever been mistaken for a man?/and i said
no, have you?/so he called me a dyke and i said yeah
right/that's mr. dyke to you." estrofemme

the older i get the more radical i get, the more
defined my opinions, theories and ideas become, and
the better i am able to fight.

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 12:08:08 -0500
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subject: re: question
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could someone please tell me how to get off this list, i cannot have all
these e-mails pouring in on my server. if anyone could help, please do
so. megan

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 11:19:58 -0600
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gemini
(may 21-june 21)
a loved one deserves a firm answer this week and being wishy washy
could ruin your relationship with this person; tell him/or her where you
stand and stick to your word. your new career is progressing nicely and
you should see yourself in a higher earnings bracket very shortly.
children are one of the most important things in your life and this is
the week that you go all out to show them. your dreams may not be too
clear and could be hard to remember, the ones that you can remember may
not be too important, they are just filling in space while you are
sleeping.

happy birthday to the following!!

june 2 ('59)
lianefu@soho.ios.com (liane fu)

june 3
gaukroge@uiuc.edu (rebecca gaukroger)

june 6 ('76)
layoder@cc.owu.edu (lesley)

june 6 ('67)
whit.kuhn@happcontrols.com (whit kuhn)

june 7
shulman@scf.usc.edu ( paula shulman )
in the cookies of life, friends are the chocolate chips" unknown author

if you would like to be added to the birthday list, please send me an
email with your birthday, and a little quote thingy, and i'll be happy
to add you!!! have a great week!!

"so why'd you come home to this sleepless town?
it's a lifetime commitment,
recovering the satellites
all anybody really wants to know is
when you gonna come down"
counting crows.

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 13:34:39 -0600
reply-to: "cusick, joanne - aurora, co" <joanne.cusick@cexp.com>
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i'm forwarding this for lance!

> sorry for the mass mailing.  below please find the statement from bill
>
> clinton issued last friday.  it's about damn time that this has come
> about.  (also, joanne or elizabeth, could you please ensure that this
> gets sent to the ig list....i'm having some computer trouble lately
> and
> can't post to the list.  thanks).
>
> love you all,
> l.
>
>
> for immediate release
> may 28, 1998
>
> statement by the president
>
>
>      today i have signed an executive order entitled further amendment
>
> to executive order 11478, equal employment opportunity in the federal
> government. the order provides a uniform policy for the federal
> government to prohibit discrimination based on sexual orientation in
> the
> federal civilian workforce and states that policy for the first time
> in
> an executive order of the president.
>
>      it has always been the practice of this administration to
> prohibit
> discrimination in employment based on sexual orientation in the
> civilian
> workforce, and most federal agencies and department have taken
> actions,
> such as the issuance of policy directives or memoranda from the agency
>
> heads, to memorialize that policy.   the executive order i have signed
>
> today will ensure that there is a uniform policy throughout the
> federal
> government by adding sexual orientation to the list of categories for
> which discrimination is prohibited in executive order 11478 (i.e.
> race,
> color, religion, sex, national origin, handicap, or age).
>
>      this executive order states administration policy but does not
> and
> cannot create any new enforcement rights (such as the ability to
> proceed
> before the equal employment opportunity commission).  those rights can
>
> be granted only by legislation passed by the congress, such as the
> employment non-discrimination act.  i again call upon congress to pass
>
> this important piece of civil rights legislation which would extend
> these basic employment discrimination protections to all gay and
> lesbian
> americans.  individuals should not be denied a job on the basis of
> something that has no relationship to their ability to perform their
> work.
>
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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 12:37:27 pdt
reply-to: bethany p <pbethany@hotmail.com>
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aaah! birthdays...hmmm..mine's the 6th too, but i never told anyone. :)
happy birthday to me, happy birthday to me, happy biiirthday dear
bethany...happy birthday to me. :) call me self-centered...whatevuh.
i'm 21, man...gimme some credit.

hmmm...igc...the indigo girls kick ass. there ya' go. :)

bethany :)

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fit in my hand...but i think if i played it a little, it might fill up
the whole world." ~~ sherman alexie

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>the line-- hey a r e s j r g m u r i t take that for me --

>i think it is an acronym a my r ay e mily s aliers j im r ogers g erard
m
>chugh then i am at a loss from there. u r i t are still unaccounted for.

i thought i was pretty smart when i figured this out a couple years ago - he
he! i think the ending is: "you are it - take that from me"

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 17:05:17 edt
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subject: bumper stickers update
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hello! =)
      i just wanted to let everyone know that i've ordered the bumper stickers
you all ordered from me and i'll have them out to you within a week to ten
days. =)  these are not the ig stickers that are being made by someone else on
the list.  so, i hiope everyone is having a great day!  thanks a bunch! =)
peace, love, and decorations, sarah

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 17:27:26 -0400
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well, letterman's web site updated this week's guest list to include
friday -- but there's still no mention of ig *or* musical guests on
either thurs or fri...

however, that could change...

once again -- we'll just have to wait and see...

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late night guest list (as of mon june 1):

monday, june 1
actor john goodman, supermodel esther canadas, singer
sarah mclachlan

tuesday, june 2
comedian norm macdonald, race car driver jacques villenueve

wednesday, june 3
actress sarah jessica parker, former u.s. senator bill bradley

thursday, june 4
actor bob saget, actress laura linney

friday, june 5
comedian george carlin, boxing champion evander holyfield
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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 17:33:53 -0400
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i just got a *wonderful* *dream* job today - and to think i was actually
almost homeless this month - a unnamed baigl certified me a hopeless yuppie
after hearing all the details... let's just say i'm a very happy english
major!
oh - i possibly have a pavillion seat to ani's wolftrap show - i have to see
if i can get it delivered instead of picking it up at will call - as i can't
make it to the conference i had free room/airfare and lodging for as a
result of work.

course i could fly down for the show and fly right back....
*thrilled*
mike r.

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 10:41:40 -0400
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hey everybody,
   i was wondering if anyone knows if the girls are playing alone or with
jerry and sara for appel farm.  i want to get a pair of my brother's
drumsticks signed by jerry for him, if jerry's there...so anyone know?
                                        stephanie
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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 18:05:02 -0400
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hey. this might have already been mentioned. sorry if it has. but i just
bought the june issue of girlfriends magazine, and i am shocked at some of
the terrible things said about lilith fair (and the indigo girls!). has
anyone else read this? what do you think? sounds like politics to me! i've
typed up the part about the girls:
jill sobule, one of lilith's two openly queer acts, confined herself to a
musical rather than a political agenda. the other out act, cover-model
perennials (and michigan stalwarts) the indigo girls also chose their
moment in the sun to distance themselves from their lesbian fans--fans who
trailed them from venue to venue.
"it's not a conscious thing performing as a lesbian. there is a certain
feeling sometimes that the community owns gay artists to a certain extent
or claims them as their own," emily saliers informed radio interviewers
gene and kam during a lilith press conference. "but we are no more
connected to a gay person than we are to a heterosexual person."

let me know what you think!
chris :)

"i want nothing but quiet and an active brain."
virginia woolf

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 08:17:05 +1000
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hey folks,

so, i'm *finally* sitting down and compiling these ig interviews
from australian radio back in feb/march... all i have is the jjj
appearance (boy is sarah macdonnell clueless! :) and most of an
appearance on rtr fm in perth (with a hilarious version of ctf
with melbourne band bluehouse, and another clueless interviewer).

the deal is this: i need more!!! if anybody has any tapes of
other australian ig radio appearances, please drop me a note
and we'll talk. otherwise this compilation tape is gonna have
a lot of blank space...

:)
sherlyn
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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 15:32:59 -0700
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christy lynch wrote:

> jill sobule, one of lilith's two openly queer acts, confined herself to a
> musical rather than a political agenda. the other out act, cover-model
> perennials (and michigan stalwarts) the indigo girls also chose their
> moment in the sun to distance themselves from their lesbian fans--fans who
> trailed them from venue to venue.
> "it's not a conscious thing performing as a lesbian. there is a certain
> feeling sometimes that the community owns gay artists to a certain extent
> or claims them as their own," emily saliers informed radio interviewers
> gene and kam during a lilith press conference. "but we are no more
> connected to a gay person than we are to a heterosexual person."

this is positively infuriating.  i don't see this as "distancing" at all, but rather
saying that their music and message is completely universal -- meaning regardless of
whether you love men or women, you will be able to identify with the music and the
message. which is 100% correct.  i think "girlfriends" magazine needs to calm down.
just because one is a lesbian does not mean that one has to shout a political message
at every public appearance.  i think ig have made their sexuality crystal clear, but
they have also made it clear that there is more to them then a political stance.
just because performers who happen to be lesbians do not follow in lock-step with
what the publishers of "girlfriends" think they should does not mean said performers
have abandoned anyone.  they just express themselves in their own way.

i am finding a hard time articulating my disgust at this slam, so i apologize for the
convoluted ramblings. i'm pissed.

*steam*

-kate :o|

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 21:04:42 edt
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this is a multi-part message in mime format.

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wow, i didn't even know this existed!

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from: peekabu143@aol.com
return-path: <peekabu143@aol.com>
to: val4indigo@aol.com, shewolf322@aol.com, ndigogrls@aol.com, raras@aol.com,
 laxjess@aol.com, ladymarley@aol.com, jsms@aol.com, risus1@aol.com,
 emistar919@aol.com, indgogal33@aol.com, powerof2ig@aol.com,
 teamindigo@aol.com, tigrelily3@aol.com, jpartsch69@aol.com,
 bouldr22@aol.com, oopusu@aol.com, hereon@aol.com, jekabu2@aol.com,
 bizarre2@aol.com, cuindreams@aol.com, nicoleca18@aol.com,
 indigoleia@aol.com, shj23@aol.com, killatrick@aol.com, ecoondog@aol.com,
 emlyrnet@aol.com, emi964@aol.com, lauren420@aol.com, crz4indigo@aol.com,
 indigo88@aol.com, carisgirl@aol.com, buttercup0@aol.com,
 labangel@aol.com, indigrrrrl@aol.com, piggytl@aol.com,
 glitter581@aol.com, nixtoys@aol.com, angelmc99@aol.com, qweeen@aol.com,
 funparty1@aol.com, mzellyn77@aol.com, galileo314@aol.com,
 velvetybra@aol.com, imlookn4me@aol.com, callmelmoe@aol.com,
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 hippie202@aol.com, ingrlsfrk@aol.com, landances@aol.com,
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 stimber679@aol.com, fantomrose@aol.com, lilac3583@aol.com,
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hi! i just wanted to inform any one who loves the indigo girls and likes to
chat to be aware that aol has finally started a chat room for the girls. if
you don't like ig then i am sorry to bother you. but for those that do then
i'm sure that everyone would love to talk to you. talk to you soon hopefully.
<a href="aol://2719:62-2-indigo%20glrls">arts and entertainment - indigo glrls
</a> here's the link :)

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hi y'all,

just got back from a trip down south to visit my family in florida and had to
relay my indigo moment.  we spent 3 days on sanibel island and one of the
things we did was visit the ding darling national wildlife refuge on the
island.  was i ever surprised to get out of the car and right before my very
eyes was a sign marked "indigo trail" !!!! i took off running - was i going to
see amy and emily hiding behind some mangrove trees, or wrestling with some
'gators??? i searched and searched, but to no avial.  just some blue herons
and white pelicans, not that there's anything wrong with that!  oh well, maybe
next time. :)

leslie, back in ohio anxiously awaiting an indigohio summer.

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 21:33:11 -0700
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hi y'all,

i'll start with the happy stuff...i want to extend a public thank you to
pooh and chickensoprano, for taking pity and applying kindness to some of us
newbies, by making boots out of the kindness of their hearts!! good
stuff!!!! isn't this a great group?! thank you, thank you, thank you; i am
greatly enjoying my new tapes!

next to the not so happy stuff... about a month or so ago, tigger announced
the boot tree for the brisbane 2/24/98 show. i contacted my branch and she
replied saying she didn't have the brisbane tape, then got back in touch a
few days later stating a mixup and she *did* have the brisbane show (she's
apparently a branch for the same sydney show that i am, too.) so with her
reassurance of having the brisbane show i sent off my blank and sase
optimistically! what comes in the mail today? the sydney show, that i'm
already a branch for! aaaarrrgh!! so to the plea.....can one of the branches
for this show who actually possesses this tape, or tigger please get in
touch with me privately about getting a copy of this!
(laurajackson@mindspring.com). i sure would appreciate it!! muchas gracias!!

eighteen days, and counting!!, until lilith in portland!!!! woohoo!!!

peace, laura

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date: mon, 1 jun 1998 22:36:44 -0700
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but did you see any swamp ophelia???

paulal

date: mon, 1 jun 1998 21:43:48 edt
from: "<leslie c.>" <ndigogrls@aol.com>
subject: indigo trail

hi y'all,

just got back from a trip down south to visit my family in florida and
had to
relay my indigo moment.  we spent 3 days on sanibel island and one of
the
things we did was visit the ding darling national wildlife refuge on the
island.  was i ever surprised to get out of the car and right before my
very
eyes was a sign marked "indigo trail" !!!! i took off running - was i
going to
see amy and emily hiding behind some mangrove trees, or wrestling with
some
'gators??? i searched and searched, but to no avial.  just some blue
herons
and white pelicans, not that there's anything wrong with that!  oh well,
maybe
next time. :)

leslie, back in ohio anxiously awaiting an indigohio summer.

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hey there all,

i know i post alot less than i think i should, but here goes anyhow.  i was
wondering if anyone was organizing or interested in attending some kind of
list gathering at the appel farm thing on saturday.  12-8 is a pretty long
time, so if anyone has ideas about when or where, please enlighten me.  thanks

west of bishes
shana

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 12:00:17 -0400
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i'm forwarding this from the suzanne vega list in hopes that it will clear
up any lingering confusion about the letterman appearance. assuming this
(and other confirmatory posts) to be correct, the date for the ig letterman
appearance is thursday, june 4 and we should all set our vcr's.

[message excerpt follows]

>i wanted to let you know that suzanne is slated to appear on letterman this
>thursday as part of a "tribute to lilith fair." other artists planning to
>appear are indigo girls, luscious jackson & emmylou harris. everyone will be
>performing one (to be determined) song together.

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hmm...well, happy birthday; but mine is june 3, so i got ya beat. =o)

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at 06:32 pm 6/1/98 , kathleen mulhern wrote:
>this is positively infuriating.

you should've read the whole thing (june "girlfriends",  1-800-grlfrnd or
staff@gfriends.com)!  i can't remember the last time i got so pissed off
about a magazine article.  ig got off easy compared to the mudslinging
mclachlan was subjected to.  here's the letter i wrote them
(staff@gfriends.com):

------------

i was excited to receive my first subscription issue of girlfriends (june)
in the mail last weekend.  and with a gorgeous picture of anne heche on the
cover!  then i got to angelina malhotra-singh's article on lilith fair.
what a disappointment: a bizarre rant by jealous women's music festival
organizers and a woman trying to sell a sleazy bio about mclachlan.  i am
not a major fan of mclachlan's (i don't even care much for her latest cd),
but i am a fan of the lilith fair, and that article was an irresponsible
piece of "journalism".

malhotra-singh criticizes sarah for, of all things, being open about her
(hetero-)sexuality.  the author  provides a forum for women's music
festival organizers who feel they've been ripped off (i've known of these
festivals for years and they never offered anything that interested me, so
i guess you'll have to confiscate my lesbian credentials now).  she
criticizes the homogeneity of the music, as though sarah is somehow
obligated to present more than a collection of artists that she, and
apparently hundreds of thousands of others, appreciates.  most surprising,
malhotra-singh takes the article to tabloid level by airing rumors about
the death of a stalker of mclachlan's.  it was this final bit, which has
nothing whatsoever to do with lilith fair, which reveals the article for
what it really is... a smear on sarah mclachlan.

thanks, but no thanks.  i'll see indigo girls at lilith, not in michigan...
and with them i'll see all those other sarah-sound-alikes:  liz phair,
natalie merchant, missy elliott, morcheeba (hmmm, a nice article on
morcheeba in the same issue of girlfriends!), beth orton, holly mcnarland,
kacy crowley, trish murphy, and whoever wins that spot reserved for a local
artist (wonder what sarah's sinister motive for that is?).  my only
complaint about lilith fair is that  catie curtis, shawn colvin, bonnie
raitt, holly cole, paula cole, cowboy junkies, sheryl crow, patty griffin,
k's choice, lucious jackson, mary lou lord, sinead o'connor, garrison
starr, and dar williams aren't going to be playing in my area!

another piece like this, and my days as a subscriber will be short.

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 14:57:44 -0500
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pardon the nigc.

just found this on the mtv web site:

ani difranco surprised fans recently by wedding her sound engineer,
andrew gilchrist, with little notice over the
weekend, and the singer now plans to spend
the rest of the year in the studio and on the road working on a variety
of
projects.

peace,

dan

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melissa: please email me - i need to gettixs from you...

anyone else:
how can one find out when an artist will be performing, say the ig, billy
bragg and tracy chapman.
also - there is a thing on the website stating in order to drink - one must
possess a drivers license. i cannot drive - i have multiple forms of id -
anyone to call - help!
also - which airport is closest to randall's island - the only flight i can
get out of boston is too late for me to make my fisrt mandatory day of
training - i may just stay long enough to catch certain acts then fly back
to maine - unless someone is driving back to portland????
(i don't need to go home before work - trust me on this)
stressing-
(i better see tracy this summer dammit!)
and the ig would be of course, fun too, but you know - noit lkike i've ever
seen tracy or anything.....
mike r.

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well, in my opinion, not having read the article or anything, i think that
no one can please everyone all of the time.  the girls have never claimed
to be lesbian spokespersons, and it's silly for any fans or magazine to try
and pin that on them.  folks, it's hard enough being different without
everyone trying to cash in on your fame.  just think about it...here are
two women who just wanted to make a living doing what they love best, and
they also put in a ton of time and energy making positive changes in the
world, and there are still people out there who feel that just because amy
and emily are lesbians that they have to now become representitives and
great movers and shakers for the lesbian community. i just want to make a
big loud raspberry in the general direction of girlfriends magazine over
this one.  i think that by simply playing their music and refusing to be
pigeon-holed as "lesbian musicians" while still being as open and out with
their sexuality as they can is the best way for indigo girls to help the
gay/lesbian community.  aren't we trying to send the message that we are
all basically the same deep down inside, depsite our seemingly large
differences?
  just my opinion, and it's all mashed up and garbled because i just woke
up from a nap and i'm grumpy because my gf had to run to a rehersal.
  peace,
     sharoane

> hey. this might have already been mentioned. sorry if it has. but i just
> bought the june issue of girlfriends magazine, and i am shocked at some
of
> the terrible things said about lilith fair (and the indigo girls!). has
> anyone else read this? what do you think? sounds like politics to me!
i've
> typed up the part about the girls:
> jill sobule, one of lilith's two openly queer acts, confined
herself to a
> musical rather than a political agenda. the other out act, cover-model
> perennials (and michigan stalwarts) the indigo girls also chose their
> moment in the sun to distance themselves from their lesbian fans--fans
who
> trailed them from venue to venue.
> "it's not a conscious thing performing as a lesbian. there is a
certain
> feeling sometimes that the community owns gay artists to a certain extent
> or claims them as their own," emily saliers informed radio interviewers
> gene and kam during a lilith press conference. "but we are no more
> connected to a gay person than we are to a heterosexual person."
>

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did anybody go to cooper seay's show at the star bar last night?
if so how was it? please respond in private.

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i was wondering what book of steven king the indigo girls were mentioned
in? was it rose madder? i found that book of steven king's the other day at
our local dollar store. i was suprised to see it their they had a lot of
other copies as well. missy

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 18:27:28 -0400
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it was rose madder - in fact i saw steve all the time at my college and i
was blaring my cd of rites my first semester, in my dorm, which was the
closest to the hockey arena, which he had season tickets to that year -
therefore i am the reason why he put ig in the book! 8^)
actually - i've met steve a bunch of times - he is reallylaid back - he was
maybe 2 or 3 people away from me at a dylan show last year and i saw him
smoking a cigarette at one of the women's basket ball finals this march.
mike r.
*who was born in the same home town as mr. king and has had classes in the
settings where he has written about murders and yes, i know where
jerusalem's lot is*

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date: wed, 3 jun 1998 01:35:28 -0700
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kathleen mulhern wrote:

> this is positively infuriating. i don't see this as "distancing" at all, but rather
> saying that their music and message is completely universal -- meaning regardless of
> whether you love men or women, you will be able to identify with the music and the
> message. which is 100% correct.

you know, this is related to a question i wanted to ask.  i recently had the opportunity
to speak with someone in the music business here in israel.  for reasons i don't want to
get into here, she was trying to explain to me how every artist has a "head-space" which
inevitably attracts a certain audience.  she decided to take the girls as an example, and
said that clearly, since they're both women, both lesbians, lesbian women would identify
the most with their music.now, that really took me by surprise.  i never thought that
way.  i thought, and think, that music is universal.  it's the message, not the
messenger.  sure, the messenger adds and you can learn a lot from them, but i don't think
that causes people to identify with the *music* more, you know?

i'd really like to know how others feel - especially the guys out here.  at concerts, do
you feel left out?  do you feel like you identify less and therefore are somehow less
connected?  how about heterosexual women?  aren't there male artists we identify with?
(actually, i can't think of any right now, i prefer women's voices, and mostly women's
messages.  i really like adam duritz' lyrics, but i don't know that i can say i identify
with them...hmm...)

so whaddaya think?

peace, love, and truth,
michal

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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list...

-sherlyn

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>date: tue, 2 jun 1998 14:43:20 -0400
>
>
>hi listees,
>the tree for the virginia slam ii boot is ready. the show was great and =
>the sound quality is excellent. the following is the set list:
>shame on you, it's alright, three hits, power of two, scooter boys,get =
>out the map,joking,ghost,shed your skin,least complicated,i don't wanna =
>know,caramia,chickenman,galileo,cut it out/wish you were here, and =
>closer to fine.
>=20
>you will need to send a 100 minute tape and a self-addressed stamped =
>envelope to the following people who are so generously donating their =
>time to be branches. contact the branch that falls within your birthday =
>month.
>=20
>january: memememi@aol.com
>february: bonster@bp05.u.washington.edu
>march: bloodnfire@hotmail.com
>april: mbpost@ibm.net
>may and june: amcjd96@aol.com
>july: saliersray@hotmail.com
>august: hac@quiknet.com
>sept and october: kt14017@cedarnet.org
>nov and december: cicada16@aol.com
>=20
>=20
>enjoy the show!
>donna

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 13:43:46 -0500
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i skimmed this article, and it angered me.

it mainly attacked sarah for not including this sub-group or that
micro-genre of angry lesbian punk.

ooooohhhhhhhhh, it made me mad.  i found myself telling the magazine (and
random passers-by):  "lilith fair is indeed sarah's gig.  she owes nothing
to anybody.  if she wanted lilith fair to consist of herself and a dancing
poodle act, there is not a thing anyone can legitimately say against her
choice."

i mean, can i get an amen here?

lilith fair is not a government-subsidized, all-inclusive cross-section of
equally balanced musical groups. it's sarah mclachlan and some musicians
she thinks are cool. that's her right.

if you feel differently, start your own darn touring festival.

as you can see, the article riled me.

thanks,

j u s t i n

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in a message dated 98-06-02 19:22:32 edt, you write:

>  i'm forwarding this from the suzanne vega list in hopes that it will clear
>  up any lingering confusion about the letterman appearance.  assuming this
>  (and other confirmatory posts) to be correct, the date for the ig letterman
>  appearance is thursday, june 4 and we should all set our vcr's.

i really hate to confuse matters even worse, but what i've heard is that ig
will *tape* the show on thursday, with the other bands, and the spot will air
on friday.

lisa

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>july: saliersray@hotmail.com

my addy is wrong on this saliers_ray@hotmail.com
:)

or just reply to this!

*hugs*

lamia

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they say i'm walking on freedom this is freedom
now i know
i still don't blame you for leaving, it's cold living with ghosts...
by this i am able in all of my travels to make these memories quit
but tonight i clearly recall every little bit..."
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michal rogson wrote:

> aren't there male artists we identify with?

all good questions!  i'll take this one, though.  yeah, there are male artists i identify
with.  i think for a good portion of the music i listen to, all of the artists are people i
can identify with in one way or another.  coming to mind right now is neil finn from crowded
house, liam o'maonlai from hothouse flowers, whatshisname from radiohead (even though he's
really depressing, he fits my mood sometimes), even bono -- the old bono, however.  i'm not
into all this pop mart crap.  ;o)

well, quittin' time is here again. maybe my thoughts will be more coherent in the morning.

g'night, ya'll!
kate :o)

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am going to appel farm this weekend - anyone familiar with the site? where, in
relation to the gates, is the main stage? also, where is the blanket only
section?
thanks....
mv

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this is bascially the same argument, er i mean discussion we had about mwmf
a few months ago.  lilith is sarah's show, she can invite whoever she
wants, mwmf is organized by a certain group of people and they are free to
include who they like.  the difference i dare say is that lilith is trying
to make money, a profit, that is big reason why artists tour, they may say
it's to bring the music to the fans, but money is a big factor and they can
bring in a lot more money with a line-up like lilith.  sad but true.
        the truth is, and i'm sure i'm in the vast minority here, i could care
less about lilith fair.  no interest at all in going and for that matter no
interest in going to mwmf either.
        as far as girlfriends take on the whole deal, well, they are just trying
to sell magazines...getting the young angry lesbians all stirred up about
their disenfranchised lives.  boo hoo, lilith isn't for everyone, and they
have no responsibility to be everything to everyone, it would be obscene of
them to even try.  besides sarah m. has clearly stated that she is
heterosexual....why would she want to hang out with militant lesbians.
just kidding, but i suppose i'll get flamed for it anyway.  oh well.

~casey

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>if you feel differently, start your own darn touring festival.

yes, but justin, i also think the author was upset because sarah seems to
want to take sole credit for the idea of lilith. the organizers of the
older festivals feel cheated by the fact that a young star can all of the
sudden decide to form a festival, and then it becomes a sensation. why
haven't the other women's festivals been included in the national
headlines? sarah didn't come up with this idea on her own...i'm sure she
has heard of michigan and national. they're also criticizing sarah because
she called lilith a festival of women singers. but that leads one to assume
she would pick a wide variety of singers from the group labelled "women".
these are not necessarily my opinions, so please don't flame me. i just
feel that someone needs to defend the organizers of the original women's
festivals (and it makes for a good debate, eh?).
christy :)

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hello. i've never posted to this list before. i was wondering if there is an
indigo girls chat room on aol. if so, how do i get to it, and when are people
usually there? i'm new to the internet and aol so if someone could help me out
i'd really appreciate it. thanks.

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 22:34:21 edt
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amen.

pax, celeste :)

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 22:46:22 edt
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i'm back!...well, actually, i've been back for about a week, but i got tired
of not posting (i know there's a word for that, but i'm stupid right now...
lurking?) so, for those of you who remember me, email me please! (remember me?
the 12 year old?)

pax, celeste:)

p.s.sorry for wasting your time, for those of you who couldn't care less...

"it's only life after all"
-em (a quote that really applies to my life right now)

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 23:46:28 edt
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what are some keywords to get to ig stuff on aol?

thanx,
celeste:)

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i think that women, especially gay women do identify more with then indigo
girls...  i think that is definately something attracting about them, cause
it's like, hey they are going through the same things in their lives that i am
in mine... you feel a bond to them because of it.  i don't know if it's just
me, but i find that i respect a person that much more when i find out that
they are gay because i know that things could have not been easy for them...
also, i think this is not true about the girls.. i think if you are say a
manson fan and there is another band out there that is similar, i think you
tend to find yourself attracted to that band as well because that's you,
that's what you  identify with... i know my roomate for college next year
listens to type o negative and a lot of similar bands and i think it's jsut
what she relates with... i listen to indigo girls and ani cause it's what i
relate to.. i think that's just a natural occurence though, not something the
artists set out to do...
--kate

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date: wed, 3 jun 1998 00:07:22 edt
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hey everyone i know that this email has nothing to with ig but it remains
necessary. this past weekend a few friends of mine were in a serious boating
accident. marci, 21, was left paralyzed after another boats' propellors
severed her spinal cord. and drew,19, was left in critical conditon with
severe cuts administered to his back and legs. drew was a track star and the
possibility of him never running again is devestating. i need you all to pray
for marci and drew and if possible add them to your prayer lists on sunday.
there is power in prayer.

thanks so much.
lori

> yes, but justin, i also think the author was upset because sarah seems to
> want to take sole credit for the idea of lilith. the organizers of the
> older festivals feel cheated by the fact that a young star can all of the
> sudden decide to form a festival, and then it becomes a sensation. why
> haven't the other women's festivals been included in the national
> headlines? sarah didn't come up with this idea on her own...i'm sure she
> has heard of michigan and national. they're also criticizing sarah because
> she called lilith a festival of women singers. but that leads one to assume
> she would pick a wide variety of singers from the group labelled "women".

yes there was a large amount of sour grapes from organizers of some
of the older womens festivals about lilith claiming to be the first.
i mean, *really* sour grapes. i was very botehred by the article
much as deb was. i think that yes, there is a lack of publick knowledge
and understanding of the older festivals, but at the same time,
lilith fair really is a first...it's the first touring festival of
its kind.

and i thought the comment about ig wasa low low blow, especially in
light of two things 1) thye are going to michigan this year and 2) the
out lyrics on the latest album. seems to me someone wasnt fully
paying attention...

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
                http://www.crl.com/~pegasus

kathleen wrote:

>>i'd really like to know how others feel - especially the guys out here. at
concerts, do
>>you feel left out? do you feel like you identify less and therefore are
somehow less
>>connected?

well, as a more or less "straight" guy and long time fan of indigo
girls, i'd be happy to tell you how i feel. i have been to see the
indigo girls 7 times now. the first time being during the rites of
passage tour. although i have noticed that the audiences are mostly
women, and largely lesbian women i have never felt uncomfortable,
unwelcome or left out. i just think there is a unifying message in the
indigo girls music that transcends whatever socio/political differences
may exist between the audience members. contrary to feeling left out i
have always felt very connected to the audience at ig shows. for me i
usually get a strong feeling of love, unity and almost "family". well,
the feeling that i have always imagined "family" should be. out o 7 ig
shows i have had three that were almost transcendent or epiphany type
experience. often i am somewhat cynical of the human race at large. but
during ig concerts i have suddenly realized the great, wonderful beauty
of people. i realize at this moments that it is possible for us to share
a unifying love.

do i identify less?

i don't think so. it seems to me that the messages in igs music are
pretty universal. the themes of love, loss, self exploration, acceptance
are all things anyone can identify with. it doesn't matter if ig are
singing about a specific love gone wrong and that relationship is/was a
lesbian relationship. in the end it was a relationship. we all have
those and we have all loved and lost. or loved and found. it's
universal.

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

as for me (a slightly confused hererosexual woman), i started listening to ig
in high school a few years ago and fell in love with the quality of their
music and lyrics. i identified with what they were writing, not really
specifically but on some other level, before and after i learned they were
lesbians a few years later. (you wouldn't believe how long it took me to
figure it out. or maybe you would....) :>}

at the concert i went to with my boyfriend in berkeley last year, i have to
admit i did feel a little uncomfortable there because of the audience. not
bad uncomfortable, i just wasn't used to being part of a hetero minority and
experienced a little of the "maybe they think i don't belong here" syndrome.
and i got a little jealous of a woman in front of me......

as for male singers, i guess i can't say i really identify with any, but i
don't know what i'd do without my van morrison cds!!

-megan

on 03-jun-98, michal rogson wrote:

>i'd really like to know how others feel - especially the guys out here.  at
>concerts, do
>you feel left out?  do you feel like you identify less and therefore are
>somehow less
>connected?  how about heterosexual women?  aren't there male artists we
>identify with?

--
megan mcdonald
**********************************
goddess extraordinaire, and all-around wonderful person

>i'd really like to know how others feel - especially the guys out here.
>at concerts, do
>you feel left out? do you feel like you identify less and therefore are
>somehow less
>connected? how about heterosexual women? aren't there male artists we
>identify with?

i (a guy) do not feel left out at ig concerts.  and break out the cheese
deflection devices, because here it comes...i actually feel very
hippie-commune-love-everyone-ish.  it's like everyone at ig concerts are
focused on one thing...a+e...and so everyone's my instant friends, ya know?
in fact, if anyone out there is going to nm lilith, come find me.  we'll
be friends.

anyway...

this is a subject i have thought a lot about...ig's universal appeal. and
we've covered it at length before here, so i won't give a lengthy
discourse. but any time an artist writes (as powerfully as a+e do) about
love, hate, pain, joy...that goes way beyond lesbian, straight, male,
female, christian, non-christian.

that's why (and this is at risk of getting off-topic and flameage) i hope
songs like "it's alright" are done with moderation. i know full well that
a+e can write about whatever they please, and they don't owe me or the
lesbian population anything.

but i like the fact that a song can hold so many meanings for so many
people. "hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause i'm gay" is a fine
sentiment, but it pretty much means one thing. now, i groove to "it's
alright" as much as the next person...but i hope you know what i'm saying
here...

and finally, male artists. i don't know if i *identify* with michael
stipe, but the man sure writes words that get to me. listen to
"nightswimming" and tell me that isn't pure beauty...and it captures a time
and place that i bet everyone here can identify with.

thanks loads for reading,

j u s t i n

justin wrote:

> i mean, can i get an amen here?
>
> lilith fair is not a government-subsidized, all-inclusive cross-section of
> equally balanced musical groups. it's sarah mclachlan and some musicians
> she thinks are cool. that's her right.
>
> if you feel differently, start your own darn touring festival.

amen, brother! testify!

-kate :o)

i know most of you don't really care, but i thought i would say bye and tell
all of y'all to enjoy the summer.  i will be out in the middle of the woods
for ten weeks.  which isn't too bad, a girl scout camp so they know how to
treat us.  anyway, i just wanted to say bye and thank y'all for some
interesting reading in the past several months that i have been a lurker so to
speak.  i value a lot of your opinions and i think it is neat that we all
share a love for our favorite musicians--indigo girls.  this is definitely a
great list to be on and i am sure all of you know that as well.  have fun and
have a great summer.

jillian :-)

michal wrote:

>i'd really like to know how others feel - especially the
>guys out here. at concerts, do you feel left out? do you
>feel like you identify less and therefore are somehow less
>connected? how about heterosexual women? aren't there
>male artists we identify with?

there are male artists i like and identify with (don henley,
elton, clint black, david wilcox), but none on the level i
identify with ig, mary-chapin carpenter or jann arden.  an
ig concert is like nothing else i've ever experienced.  every
song with them is magic.  other artists have "moments" when
they reach the level of amy and emily, but with ig, it's
every single song....just amazing.  so no, i don't feel left
out.  i feel like they are singing just to me.

rich benson
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hoping that the kindness
will lead us past the blinders and
not another living soul will ever have to feel
unloved
-jann arden, "unloved"
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justin wrote:
> >> but i like the fact that a song can hold so many meanings for so many
>> > people. "hate me 'cause i'm different, hate me 'cause i'm gay" is a fine
> >> sentiment, but it pretty much means one thing.
>
>
>hmmm, i still see this as a universal message, underneath. despite that emily
>is talking about her specific situation of being gay, i think the song speaks
>to anyone who is "different". whether that difference be sexuality, race,
>religion, political affiliation or just being out of the "main" stream. i am
>not gay, but i totally identify with this song. at 37 years old i still feel
>like i am "different" than my contemporaries. i am not married, don't have
>children (and am not interested), am barely interested in my "career" or in
>attaining material wealth. i am still mostly interested in playing music,
>going to concerts and other avenues of creativity. i am not interested in
>sports or cars or many of the things that are typically thought of as "male"
>in the culture in which i live (united states, texas). so, i often do feel
>different and hence identify with this song. okay, it probably helps that i
>have strong ties to the "gay community".
>
>
>peace,
>
>dan perkins
>austin, texas
>
>
>
>

howdy folks,

just wanted to announce that i have an extra field ticket for the portland
lilith fair concert! i bought it for $46 and simply would like to make my
money back. if anyone needs a ticket feel free to contact me privately.

i'd also like to thank the wonderful folks who answered my plea for the
brisbane show: melissa singhaus, jeanettegirl and tigger! like i said
before, isn't this a *great* group!

peace, laura

i think i read a post on this a while ago...i dunno, it's late.

but when i think of male artists i can identify with, two words come to
mind: richard shindell

i'm sure that there are more, but he is the one who popped into my mind
right away...

okay, bye for now!

:-) karen

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i speak for the trees for the trees have no
tounges." (dr. seuss)
"and me, i'm still tryin' to live half
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has everyone heard??? (p.s. goatboy is her bassist)

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 3 jun 1998 09:44:35 -0400
from: "t.l.t" <tlt@wbnet.com>

hiya all,

so mtv (of all things) has confirmed that ani married goatboy last saturday!
:) :) :) :) :) does everybody already know this or am i the last to hear??

i for one think that is *so* ultrafuckingcool. what a situation: she's
doing what she loves, on her own terms, making her own way, and she gets to
work side by side with the man she loves. go ani!!

i hope they'll both be ecstatically happy for a long time.

peace, tt :)

while there are male artists i really like (todd snider, jimmy lafave,
jackson browne, james taylor) i can't think of any that touch me and
move my spirit the way that indigo girls do. of course, there aren't any
other women artists i feel as strongly about either (dar williams is
close, as is ani difranco, but for me it's not the same).

peace,

dan perkins
austin, texas

hi all --
i inadvertently taped over part of my girlfriend's copy of the ig
pay-per-view broadcast from 6/6/97 and now i am in the doghouse as never
before.  would anyone out there be willing to dub a copy for me?  i have
lots of ig audio tapes to trade (the ep, five live, club r & r, shades of
indigo, blue food, reverse one, purple parrot, fm broadcast from 6/24/92,
etc.) but no video.  please contact me at the address below and we can work
something out.  thanks everyone!
john

*** john.petroskas@courts.state.mn.us ***

g'morning all,

if there's anyone on the list who is from, or is familiar with the concord, new hampshire area, could you please email me? i'm headed up there tomorrow and could use some info.

thanks a bunch!

kate.

------------------------------------------------------

your own voice is the voice that carries you through life the best.

<italic>--</italic> <italic>nanci griffith</italic>

g'morning all,

if there's anyone on the list who is from, or is familiar with the concord,
new hampshire area, could you please email me? i'm headed up there tomorrow
and could use some info.

thanks a bunch!
kate.

-----------------------------------------
kate roberts
medill news service/madison capital times
phone: 202/661-0110
fax: 202/662-1814
k-roberts2@nwu.edu

hey all.....

i was wondering if anyone had any interviews from the 1980s that are
really good quality theyd like to trade me for...id like to get more of
the girls talking...

im also looking for good quality tori amos and cranberry boots, if anyone
has any...

and last but not least, thanks to everyone who helped me out with the
urls for pictures (i have the ig on my page now!!), and those who helped
me get in contact with melanie, the wonderful stamp woman (im getting mine
this week!!)

with love, and all things indigo

                                always,
                                   jeanette
            http://members.tripod.com/~jeanettelynn/jeanette.html

karen,
     my computer crashed a little while back so i never got a chance to get
back to you about the ig and dolphins thing. are you still willing to tape
that stuff for me? it would be great if you could. i have the tapes and the
list of stuff i wanted, so just give me the word if it is okay. i didn't want
to just send you the tapes without making sure you knew that i was sending
them. thanks a bunch!
                           take care,
                            kristin

in a message dated 98-06-03 11:30:53 edt, rzender@bgnet.bgsu.edu writes:

<< has everyone heard??? (p.s. goatboy is her bassist) >>

:) actually he's her sound tech, andrew gilchrist. :)

male artists i can identify with:
um. er.
well, there's this guy, david clement- he released one album a few years back
that was pretty good. anyone else heard of him?
otherwise, i'd say dan bern, ben folds five ... rufus wainwright's pretty
good, too. as someone said before, though, no one i can think of gets to me
more than a+e. :)

peace,
rick

hey all,
   just  wanted to let you guys know (if you didn't know already) that the
girls are going to be in the next issue of goldmine magazine and they are
going to be featured on the cover. also curve has an article this month on
michelle malone. it is pretty good, there are some nice photos of her in it.
                                 take care,
                                       kristin

last night i got a copy of the may 27 nyt article, and i couldnt believe
it..i read it to casey, and we laughed our asses off because it was so
stupid...some of the things people come up with...promoting pagan
religions because of galileo, and skipping school because of least
complicated..hey, if beliving in reincarnation and skipping school are the
biggest of our problems, oh, e should be so lucky!!...and how to you
promote alternative lifestyles?? must be part of their *agenda*...give me
a break..

we got rolling stone last night *toris on the cover* and theres a little
blurb on the eight girls who got suspended for protesting the
cancellation..more power to them..

the whole lilith fair thing in girlfriends...people are so petty..though i
have to agree that we do seem to have glossed over previous women
fesivals, but probably because none have ever been so big...its
celebrating women, isnt that what matters?? i dont think it has to do with
sexuality as in hetero or homo- more of womens sexuality, whatever that
may be...and i like the girls before i had any idea of what they looked
like, or what their sexuality was..i think all people can relate to
them...their themes are universal, and their music is beautiful...

*and did the 'europeans not shed the blood of the indians'?????*

with love, and all things indigo

                                always,
                                   jeanette
            http://members.tripod.com/~jeanettelynn/jeanette.html

it worked it worked!! look at the e-mail i got today after i wrote to
pop-up video regarding the mistakes in the ig pop-up!

snax@aol.com wrote:

> kate,
>
> thanks for keeping us honest here at pop-up.
>
> we'll get right on those fixes.
>
> --tad, pop-up video, www.spinthebottle.com

cool, huh? :o)

-kate

noooooooooooooooo! jason mercer is her bass player! goatie (andrew
gilchrist) is her sound guy!!! (just like tori..i wonder what it takes
to be a sound grrl *w*)

*hugs*
lamia

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whoops! ---> not her bassist, but sound guy!

> has everyone heard??? (p.s. goatboy is her bassist)

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: wed, 3 jun 1998 09:44:35 -0400
from: "t.l.t" <tlt@wbnet.com>

hiya all,

so mtv (of all things) has confirmed that ani married goatboy last saturday!
:) :) :) :) :) does everybody already know this or am i the last to hear??

i for one think that is *so* ultrafuckingcool. what a situation: she's
doing what she loves, on her own terms, making her own way, and she gets to
work side by side with the man she loves. go ani!!

i hope they'll both be ecstatically happy for a long time.

peace, tt :)

this comes from mtv's website. sorry for the nigc, but i figure
plenty of people are interested.

ani difranco weds, hits studio

ani difranco surprised fans recently by wedding her sound engineer, andrew
gilchrist, with little notice over the weekend, and the singer now plans to
spend the rest of the year in the studio and on the road working on a
variety of projects.

a source at righteous babe records confirms that difranco and gilchrist
tied the knot last saturday during a private ceremony, but the couple won't
be taking time off for a normal honeymoon, as difranco is already in the
studio this week (presumably with the hubby) working on a new album which
is likely to be issued early next year.

her latest effort, "little plastic castle," was released in february, and
gilchrist (aka goat boy), who engineers difranco's live sound for concerts,
shares a credit with difranco for mixing that album.

but difranco and gilchrist won't be spending too much time in the studio,
either, as the performer, who has turned down stints with lollapalooza and
lilith fair, will begin another leg of touring with her band in mid-june
and through the fall.

in related news, difranco is currently supervising the release of a live
album culled from a woody guthrie tribute concert held at the rock and roll
hall of fame to be issued on her label, righteous babe. difranco also plans
to work with veteran folk singer utah phillips at difranco's home studio in
buffalo in the near future.

...and the crusty old man said "i'll do what i can"
and the rest of the rats played maracas.
~phoebe, "crusty old man"

at 07:55 pm 6/2/98 , casey wrote:
>this is bascially the same argument, er i mean discussion we had about mwmf
>a few months ago. lilith is sarah's show, she can invite whoever she
>wants, mwmf is organized by a certain group of people and they are free to
>include who they like.

the mwmf discussion was totally different... it was about whether ig should
play there because of its exclusion of those who weren't born women.

> the difference i dare say is that lilith is trying
>to make money, a profit

that's the big difference between lilith and mwmf? i don't think so. :-)

one of my issues with the article was the implication that sarah stole the
all-women tour idea from these women's festivals and didn't give credit
where credit is due.  at the same time, the article accuses her of
homophobia (clearly not the case from interviews i've read) and distancing
herself from such festivals. the contradiction between the 2 hypotheses
just makes it all the more maddening.  besides, the idea that sarah's
all-women tour was a rip-off of mwmf is just silly, it's hardly an original
idea worthy of a patent, any moron could've have conceived of it without
ever even hearing of the other women's music festivals.  sarah was just the
first to do it on a large-scale and very successfully, and these other
women are jealous. pretty simple.

>they can
>bring in a lot more money with a line-up like lilith. sad but true.

conversely, they can bring in (imo) a much better line-up with a lot more
money. it's all a matter of perspective.

i spent $50 for an lilith's 8-hour show and i'm spending $30 to see ani
play for 2 hours. lilith features dozens of performers (including band
members), ani will probably have 3. i don't think anyone is making money
hand-over-fist at lilith, but if they are, more power to 'em, i still got
great value for $50.

--
deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo

hey all,
first, i'm changing email addy. i'll be using an account at
kirshner@onestone.elsinore.klever.net
from now on.

second, i ordered danielle howle's cd live at mckissick museum from
daemon. track 7 is a bit messed up so they are sending me a new one.
anyway, if anyone wants the old one i'll send it to you for free, except
shipping. so, let me know (at the new address)
java

ps
it's really good and she tells some kinda funny stories on it.

>one of my issues with the article was the implication that sarah stole the
>all-women tour idea from these women's festivals and didn't give credit
>where credit is due. at the same time, the article accuses her of
>homophobia (clearly not the case from interviews i've read) and distancing
>herself from such festivals. the contradiction between the 2 hypotheses
>just makes it all the more maddening. besides, the idea that sarah's

i don't see the contradiction.  the claim could be that sarah organized
a mainstreamed version of the traditionally more politically charged
women's music festival in such a way as to be less threatening to
the masses and therefore more commerically viable.  even amy mentioned
that she herself felt uncomfortable at first participating in a project that was
so politically and culturally anemic.  i can understand how people
might think that sarah purposely distanced herself from the women's
festivals of yore (instead of embracing the legacy) so as to avoid
potentially radical associations.  anyway, i'm glad ig participated and
continues to participate for many reasons but partly because they will
help lilith to evolve in a good direction.

>ever even hearing of the other women's music festivals. sarah was just the
>first to do it on a large-scale and very successfully, and these other
>women are jealous. pretty simple.

i see it less as "sour grapes" and attribute it not so much to these
other women being "jealous" as to frustration and perhaps disallusionment
on the part of the women who paved the way and were the consumers of the
product of women artists before they were as commerically viable on their
terms even to the extent that they are today.

i think sarah's got a great thing going but was disappointed when
i read quotes attributed to her that sounded to me like what
gloria steinam calls "female uncle tomming".

it's spoken for. i've already emailed the person who emailed me first.
java

lauree shampine wrote:

> even amy mentioned
> that she herself felt uncomfortable at first participating in a project that was
> so politically and culturally anemic.

but then amy said that when she aired her frustrtions to sarah she found out that
sarah invited female artists from a wide range of genres.  the people who accepted
are the people we saw last year.  one prominent black artist, two promenant lesbian
groups and almost all folk-ish type of pop music.  it is my understanding that it
was not for lack of trying on sarah's part, and that she invited, among others, kd
lang and queen latifah, who both turned her down last year.  i think it's easy to
think that the artists who participated last year were a representation of sarah's
musical tastes, but from what i've heard she invited tons of alternative-genre (and
by this i don't mean "alternative music," i ,mean musical genres alternative to the
one represented at lilith last year) bands to appear and they simply turned her
down.  this year there is a little bit of a broader mix because other bands saw the
success of last years lilith and wanted in.

> i think sarah's got a great thing going but was disappointed when
> i read quotes attributed to her that sounded to me like what
> gloria steinam calls "female uncle tomming".

like what?

-kate :o)

ok, ok i admit it--i almost never listen to men
musicians--but i never listen to the radio either.
the only time i hear men is on the radio, and then
washed our crappy "women's music," whatever that means.

so.....the only men that i'm relating to, at least
now, are they might be giants--esp flood and apollo 18.

they might be giants....hee hee, now that's cool stuff!

amanda

===

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no, have you?/so he called me a dyke and i said yeah
right/that's mr. dyke to you." estrofemme

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on wed, 3 jun 1998, lauree shampine wrote:

> i think sarah's got a great thing going but was disappointed when
> i read quotes attributed to her that sounded to me like what
> gloria steinam calls "female uncle tomming".

   i see the beginnings of one of the glorious ig mailing list
flamebrawls...
   uncle tomming indeed.
   but that's ok, because if i ever meet sarah, then i can go up to her
all honest-abelike and say, "so you're the little woman that started this
big war."
   or maybe not.

darius

sorry kate, but you're prolly wrong on this one, you
said:

i think it's easy to think that the artists who
participated last year were a representation of sarah's
> musical tastes, but from what i've heard she
invited tons of alternative-genre ....

well when vh1 or mtv or whomever had this huge lilith
deal running, she said, i heard it myself that one of
the rules to being invited to the show was that "i
have to like their music myself."

so.

amanda

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no, have you?/so he called me a dyke and i said yeah
right/that's mr. dyke to you." estrofemme

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>> even amy mentioned
>> that she herself felt uncomfortable at first participating in a project that was
>> so politically and culturally anemic.
>
>but then amy said that when she aired her frustrtions to sarah she found out that
>sarah invited female artists from a wide range of genres. the people who accepted

that's the cultural part...in an interview posted to the list, amy expressed
opinions on addressing what i would call socio-political issues in the
context of lilith and how she prefers to address them more directly than sarah
was prepared to do (at the time the interview was published presumably)...and
how she thinks sarah might be coming around.

>> i think sarah's got a great thing going but was disappointed when
>> i read quotes attributed to her that sounded to me like what
>> gloria steinam calls "female uncle tomming".
>
>like what?

oh gosh...quotes from miscellaneous magazine articles which will be appropriately
cited in my upcoming dissertation on the topic (no...not really)

my recollection of quotes i've read led me to believe that sarah
felt more comfortable with people thinking of lilith as a bunch of girls
getting together to play (not that there's anything wrong with that :)
and shied away from any identification of the event with anything
feminist or political.

of course, the main point of my original post was that i disagree with
the people dismissing criticisms of sarah/lilith from the "women's
music" quarter as "sour grapes" and attributing it to jealousy. it
seems to me more an expression of frustration and disallusionment at
sarah's lack of willingness to embrace the legacy and in so doing,
rejecting it.

amanda wrote:

> sorry kate, but you're prolly wrong on this one,

for what are you apologizing? it's not really a matter of being wrong
or right, i think...

> you said:
>
> i think it's easy to think that the artists who
> participated last year were a representation of sarah's
> musical tastes, but from what i've heard she
> invited tons of alternative-genre ....
>
> well when vh1 or mtv or whomever had this huge lilith
> deal running, she said, i heard it myself that one of
> the rules to being invited to the show was that "i
> have to like their music myself."

that would be vh1, and i've seen that as well.  however, i also "heard
it myself" amy say that she spoke with sarah about the lack of diversity
and that sarah said she invited tons of other, more diverse acts that
turned her down.  also, look at the line up this year.  it proves what
amy was saying.  also, it is a fact that she invited people like kd and
queen latifah who turned her down.  maybe her musical tastes are very
broad, but i think what she was saying on vh1 was more tongue-in-cheek,
referring to the people who accepted her invitation last year and how
they happened to belong in her particular genre.

i think the bottom line is, however, that none of it really matters
anyway. as someone very correctly stated, there are no government
regulations that require a certain number of each type of musical genre
at touring festivals. i agree that other women's festivals past are
irritated that sarah is getting a bigger turnout at her shows than at
theirs.

i thought what amy said on the vh1 special (speaking og vh1) was
excellent when everyone was talking about how difficult it was for women
to break into the music industry and how discriminated-against women
have been in pop music.  amy said, when asked whether she felt
discriminated-against because she is a woman in the music industry, that
she used to feel that way until she met some of the guys who were
getting all the radio play and who were topping the charts.  she said
that these are a bunch of extremely talented people, and perhaps
(although i doubt anyone on this list agrees, myself included) she just
wasn't as talented as them, and that she'd just have to work harder to
measure up.  i think that's a very mature and refreshing attitude.
instead of whining about other women's touring festivals not making as
much money as lilith and getting down on sarah for it, how about trying
a marketing plan and big-name acts -- just like lilith?  maybe the
success will be similar.  it helps if you have some good backing too.
but i mean sarah was not a billionaire when she decided to do lilith,
and she had to do a lot of leg work and charm a lot of people with big
wallets to back this thing.  if she can do it, anyone can i would think.

i dunno... just a thought...

-kate :o)

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hmmm...bruce cockburn, van morrison, maybe even dylan pop to mind..
marilyn

"free your mind and your ass will follow" (funkadelic)

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in a message dated 98-06-03 16:25:13 edt, you write:

< musical tastes, but from what i've heard she
 invited tons of alternative-genre ....

  well when vh1 or mtv or whomever had this huge lilith
  deal running, she said, i heard it myself that one of
  the rules to being invited to the show was that "i
  have to like their music myself."
   >>

i don't think that means that it must be the type of music she performs. she
can, and from what i've understood does, like many different genres of music
and invited people she liked within the genres to come play. i can't blame
her for not inviting people whose music she doesn't like to her festival,
because after all, it is her festival and she can do whatever the heck she
wants with it.

love
kar

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in a message dated 98-06-03 16:25:13 edt, you write:

< musical tastes, but from what i've heard she
invited tons of alternative-genre ....

well when vh1 or mtv or whomever had this huge lilith
deal running, she said, i heard it myself that one of
the rules to being invited to the show was that "i
have to like their music myself."
>>

love
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hey kind friends,

i'm really desperate now. i need a ride from the nyc area to apple farm
on saturday! i had a ride, but they bailed out at the last minute!

public transportation can't get me there so i need to hitch with
someone. i'll help pay for gas, i'll help drive, i'll even buy you
dinner!!! if anyone from ct, nj, ny or long island can help, please
e-mail me!!!!!

thanks so much!

l'sly
(a.k.a. lance writing from a new address since my old one seems to have
died temporarily)

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i'm so excited! i'm going to the lilith fair on the 27th!!!! it'll be my
second ig concert, and a wonderful b-day present!! my b-day is on the 29th...i
will be 13...a teenager...

and, having been to one of their concerts, and being straight, so far, i can
say sumthin about this straight/male thingamajig that's going on...i don't
feel left out at all....but i guess that's because everyone thinks it's so
cool how young i am...amyray, i just wanted to tell y'all how excited i
am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

pax, celeste:)

"i'm so excited, and i just can't hide it,
i'm about to lose control and i think i like it!"
-unknown by celeste...

hey all!
this has very few ig content but... i would just like to tell you all
that i will be going to my very first indigo girls concert on july 11th at
harborlights in boston!!! i have never been to any concert before and i ma now
going to see the girls!!!!! just wanted to let everyone know how incredibly
excited i am!!!
love, peace, indigo,
~alyssa

the new rolling stone, w/tori on the cover has a 1/3 page article about
the hs cancelations...it's mostly stuff we have already heard but here
it is:

school's out
students protest cancellation of indigo girls shows in the south.
(picture of protesters)

when 16 year old megan collier saw the indigo girls at lilith fair last
summer, she couldn't have known that 10 months later she'd be serving a
school suspension for supporting the group. collier and nine classmates
from irmo hs in columbia, sc, got caught up in the furor when school
administrators canceled an indigo girls concert after recieving
complaints from parents about the school hosting the openly gay duo.
within days two other schools revoked their invitations to the indigos
as well.
"the community raides legitimate concerns-including sexuality." says
buddy price, director of community services for irmo's school district.
"we needed to respond."
"i guess they felt we were out evangelizing to recruit young lesbians"
says indigo girl amy ray, "it's so ridiculous. why should it matter if
we're gay?"
to protest the cancellationg of the show which was part of a free high
school concert series by the indigo girls, collier and the others walked
out of class.
"everyone should be treated equally," collier says. "that's why i walked
out, to make a statement." she and several other students were hit with
8 day suspensions-the same as if they'd been caught with drugs or had
vandalized school property. (the students have filed a lawsuit against
the school.)
following the irmo cancelation, schools in knoxville and germantown,
tennessee also called off indigo girls concerts, claiming that they had
used profanity during a performance. "i think [the cancelations] were a
cop-out." says doug crosier the principal of franklin hs in franklin,
tennessee which hosted the duo on may 4th. "if we're going to judge
artists on morality, poor old elvis couldn't have played any high
schools."
--eric boehlery

*hugs*

lamia

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>>at the same time, the article accuses her of homophobia (clearly not
the case from interviews i've read)

*l* that's funny..b/c in details magazine sarah said:

sm: i felt totally "weiner dog"...(in 6th grade) me and an acquaintance
of mine showed each other our breasts-well she had breasts, i had
nothing.
anyway, one of my evil girlfriends-which was the only kind of friend i
had
at the time-told everybody at school i was a lesbian, and from then on
everybody at school hated me...

int: ok so were you a lesbian?

sm: i wasn't really, but i've always been open to falling in love with
a woman. i've had crushes on them and i've kissed my fair share,
lemme tell ya, but that's as far as i've gone.

int: never to the bedroom?

sm: no, there was a broom closet one time with a cute bartender in
boston.

*hugs*

lamia

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i really have to agree that whether your homosexual or heterosexual has
nothing to do with how the girls affect and touch you personally.  i am
heterosexul and have never been touched by a music group as strongly as ig
has.  in fact, ig has taught me so many things about acceptance, not just to
accept homesexuals, but to accept and love everybody.  there is an ig song for
any situation in my life.  the whole gorlfriends magazine article was
completely off base and out of line.

as for male artists, though none touch me like ig does, i love soul asylum,
blues travellors, third eye blind, fogelberg, and so many others.

that said, i have a petition to make for any utah listees, particularly in the
prove/salt lake area. i'm attending brigham young starting in august and i'm
really excited about the school and the atmosphere, but i'm worried about not
quite fitting in and was wondering if there was anyone out there i had
something in common with. i've been told, even in virginia, that i'm the most
liberal, accepting mormon people have ever met and i'm in for a culture shock.
this is worrying me, so if anyone can help alleviate my fears.... at present
my closest friend is 10 hours away in tucson, az.

thanks
love
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howdy folks!
i have played the procrastination game much too long....and am now
looking for nm lilith tickets.....
anybody going?
anybody have extra?

thanks,
michele

gotta add my two cents..

i seem to listen to women more but when i listen to guys..usually it's
beck, dave matthews, rem; and really i have to say a guy that i think
is/was an incredible songwriter is noel paul stookey of peter paul and
mary..

*hugs*
lamia

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hey folks,

this is another correction to yesterday's slam boot tree,
which i forwarded from the news list...

-sherlyn

ps - i'm going away tomorrow. if you need help signing
off or anything, better mail me now...

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from: "donna m schwartz" <d6309@prodigy.net>
subject: slam boot correction
date: wed, 3 jun 1998 10:04:20 -0400

hey listees,
a correction to the slam boot tree. for all those february folks, the =
following address will probably give you more luck in reaching the =
branch:
bonster@u.washington.edu =20

thanks,
donna

while i hesitate to out my foot back into this argument, i must remind you
of what rolling stone journalist, lorraine ali, said about lilith.
"you needed to have like the voices of all women out there. i mean, women
in music is not a genre. it is not a lilting acoustic genre. there is like
hole, you know, there's courtney love, there's l7, there's liz phair". she
has a point whether sarah tried to get diverse performers or not...

(don't you just love emily in those cute little camouflage shorts and her
blue sunglasses??)
chris :)

"i want nothing but quiet and an active brain."
virginia woolf

hey there,

a friend of mine has two tickets available for the july 6th show at pine knob, near detroit. they're lawn tickets and she'll sell them at face value. sorry for the cross-post for those of you on more than one of these lists :)

if you're interested, please email caitlin at crooney@wso.williams.edu

thanks!

kate.

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<italic>--</italic> <italic>nanci griffith</italic>

i am a really huge fan of the indigo girls, my dream and goal in life,
as i am sure many other fans out in the world, is to sing with the
indigo girls or even to meet them for a few brief moments. i just
wanted someone out there to know other than just my friends and family
who hear me rage about it at least four times a day. maybe someone can
help me with my dream.

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hi all,

my best friend and i are taking a road trip in mid to
late august.  we're still considering the badlands in
south dakato or the great smoky mountain range in
tennessee.  coming from wisconsin the first plan
would take us through minnesota, the second through
illinois and kentucky.  so if any of you have advice
it would be appreciated.  we'd like to know about
camp grounds, cheap places to stay, concerts,
festibols, parks, sites, and anything interesting we
could see along the way.  we're taking a whole week,
so we have time to go out of our way.  thanks.

jeremy

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if this is old news, sorry...
our girls are in rolling stone..
and they did not receive the print space and/or news
coverage befitting such mega stars and righteous babes!

peace + love,
barbara
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attention!
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i was browsing at cdnow and i came across this:

the following titles have not been released yet, but they are available
to order now. if you are unfamiliar with our policies regarding advance
ordering, please read about advance ordering in our policies.

indigo girls
indigo girls/strange fire/noma

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3 on 1
category rock/pop
sony music

buy it new

cd list price $ 29.97 cdnow price $26.99 expected release date:
june 30, 1998.

anyone have any idea what this is?

also..tower records has the least complicated maxi-single for $9.99
anyone know what's on it and if it's worth it??

thanks!

lamia

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in the june 9 issue of "the advocate" (sizzling summer movies cover)
there is a quote (and photo) from amy about the sc cancellations, followed
by a remark from conan o'brien about the high school principal.....

(reprinted without permission)

"a minority composed of homophobic, narrow-minded parents and weak-kneed
principals and school boards have successfully enforced a policy of hate."

(-amy ray, speaking out after her group the indigo girls, was barred from
performing at a south carolina high school concert.)

"luckily, i was able to get melissa etheridge to fill in."

(-conan o'brien, riffing on what the principal of that south carolina
high school said to parents after canceling the indigo girls'
performance, on the may 1 'late night with conan o'brien.')

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

hey folks,

lamia said:
> i was browsing at cdnow and i came across this:
> indigo girls
> indigo girls/strange fire/noma
> 3 on 1
>
> anyone have any idea what this is?

hmm... it looks like they're releasing ig/sf/nis as
some kind of package set. does anybody know anything
about this?

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- peter mulvey

all i have to say about all the hs cancelations is ig can come and play
at my school for free anytime!

love~luna

adia difranco wrote:
>
> the new rolling stone, w/tori on the cover has a 1/3 page article about
> the hs cancelations...it's mostly stuff we have already heard but here
> it is:
>
> school's out
> students protest cancellation of indigo girls shows in the south.
> (picture of protesters)
>
> when 16 year old megan collier saw the indigo girls at lilith fair last
> summer, she couldn't have known that 10 months later she'd be serving a
> school suspension for supporting the group. collier and nine classmates
> from irmo hs in columbia, sc, got caught up in the furor when school
> administrators canceled an indigo girls concert after recieving
> complaints from parents about the school hosting the openly gay duo.
> within days two other schools revoked their invitations to the indigos
> as well.
> "the community raides legitimate concerns-including sexuality." says
> buddy price, director of community services for irmo's school district.
> "we needed to respond."
> "i guess they felt we were out evangelizing to recruit young lesbians"
> says indigo girl amy ray, "it's so ridiculous. why should it matter if
> we're gay?"
> to protest the cancellationg of the show which was part of a free high
> school concert series by the indigo girls, collier and the others walked
> out of class.
> "everyone should be treated equally," collier says. "that's why i walked
> out, to make a statement." she and several other students were hit with
> 8 day suspensions-the same as if they'd been caught with drugs or had
> vandalized school property. (the students have filed a lawsuit against
> the school.)
> following the irmo cancelation, schools in knoxville and germantown,
> tennessee also called off indigo girls concerts, claiming that they had
> used profanity during a performance. "i think [the cancelations] were a
> cop-out." says doug crosier the principal of franklin hs in franklin,
> tennessee which hosted the duo on may 4th. "if we're going to judge
> artists on morality, poor old elvis couldn't have played any high
> schools."
> --eric boehlery
>
> *hugs*
>
> lamia
>
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kathleen wrote:
>>i'd really like to know how others feel - especially the guys out
>>here. at concerts, do you feel left out? do you feel like you
>>identify less and therefore are somehow less connected?

i've always spent a lot of time around lesbians for various reasons
(none of which are sexual).  i've been involved with indy pride, one
of my friends is a lesbian and i hang out with her and her crowd,
etc.  i always feel a sense of comradare like when i'm at utopia or
other events with large % of lesbians.  i relate to them and i seem
to be accepted as an equal and not as a member of the "bad sex".  but
i also think my ideals and belief systems are not typical among men
overall.  i definately have more feminine ideals and beliefs (if you
allow me to generalize).

the bottom line is i always go there expecting to have a good time
and i always leaving after having a great time. it's been a fabulous
experience in my life.

also, something dan perkins said about their themes being very
universal and not obviously relating to a homo- or heter-osexual
relationship is entirely true.  i've introduced people to the
indigo girls at various points in my life and they've loved their
music, then later in conversation it comes up that they're lesbian
and they're like "woah!  really?" and are actually shocked to some
extent.  i always find that amuzing.  :)

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*  / | \  *  rick
*  _/ \_  *
  *       *
    * _ *

my .02 in the form of a question:

why does anyone expect ig to represent anyone's values but their own?

this whole debate illustrates how far we still need to go. sigh...

i could pontificate for a long time on this one -- but i'll refrain.
("and there was much rejoicing... yeaaaaa")

peace,
lisa j.

relating to male musicians...less see...hmmm...i really relate to the
dude from radiohead...i have tremendous respect for the lead singer and
i have no idea why.  i hear his voice and i just get all weak in the
knees -- it's like...if i wrote music, it'd make me feel like his
does...i don't know...it's weird because half of the time you can't
understand what he's saying, but the way he uses his voice is enough to
suffice.  make sense?!  it's gorgeous.  he sings with so much
emotion...(i don't mean on "creep" either...that song bugs the hell
outta me).  you can't the rest of it though...the one male musician
('sides michael stipe) that i absolutely adore. ;) if you don't know
much radiohead but wanna hear one hell of an album, buy "the bends." you
won't be disappointed.

bethany :)

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yes, but she really did invite a ton of artists from different musical
types, and very few responded.  just because sarah plays a certain type of
music doesn't limit her to listening to that type.
  peace,
       sharoane

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> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: sarah said she only invites ppl she likes
> date: wednesday, june 03, 1998 4:07 pm
>
> sorry kate, but you're prolly wrong on this one, you
> said:
>
> i think it's easy to think that the artists who
> participated last year were a representation of sarah's
> > musical tastes, but from what i've heard she
> invited tons of alternative-genre ....
>
> well when vh1 or mtv or whomever had this huge lilith
> deal running, she said, i heard it myself that one of
> the rules to being invited to the show was that "i
> have to like their music myself."
>
> so.
>
> amanda
>
>
>
>
>
>

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lamia with the cool patty griffin quote sez-

<

indigo girls
indigo girls/strange fire/noma >>

it sounds like something i've got for cyndi lauper. it is three of her cd's in
a cardboard box-thingie (like the thing ani's living in clip cd & booklet are
in). the cd's aren't anything different than when bought separately... the box
has a photo of all 3 albums & the track listing on the back. :) i've a feeling
it's the same thing- same record company, at least. :)

hope that was helpful. <grin>

peace,
rick
he's so unusual.
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thought i'd pass this along...........

it's a letter to the editor regarding the cancellation of ig shows at
the 3 high schools in the southeast. in all thats been written about
the situation, perhaps it takes a parent to bring eloquence &
clarity....

melissa

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forum: letters, the atlanta journal and constitution, 30 may 1998, pp.
c05.

profanity not the issue

editor: regarding the issue of "profanity" in indigo girls' lyrics.
yes, there is one profane word used in one song in a whole body of
music. actually the line from "shame on you" is a quote from someone
else. amy has always edited this word in public performances for young
audiences.

during the loganville high concert amy "slipped" and sang the word as
written, much to her chagrin. she apologized to the school authorities,
her management wrote a letter of apology, and she promptly offered to
drop the song from the next high school concerts.

profanity was not the issue here.

these incredibly gifted and compassionate young women were not welcome
in certain high schools (with) their "agenda" that stresses stay in
school, respect one another, cultivate your talents, take full advantage
of your educational opportunities, work hard at whatever your choice of
vocation becomes, and remain aware always of the needs of others.

frances walker ray, decatur ray is the mother of amy ray, one of the
indigo girls

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 19:05:55 +1000
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hey folks,

did anybody know that apparently there's a songbook for
"put on your green shoes"? it's listed here:
http://www.halcyon.com/drums/tapes.html, which is a site
i know nothing about but just found through altavista.

anyhow.  this'll probably be my last post for a week or
so, unless i manage to wake up early enough to check my
mail before i leave tomorrow.  so, behave yourselves
everyone!  if there are any admin matters i'll deal with
them as soon as i get back.

happy happy all -
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>actually the line from "shame on you" is a quote from someone
>else. amy has always edited this word in public performances for young
>audiences.

just a fanciful question: anybody know what amy does sing when she edits it?

"messin' up"?

"screwin' up"?

"not performin' to the best of my ability"?

perhaps just a brief pause?

myself, when in the company of those for whom editing is necessary
(grandma, mom, nieces), i prefer to loudly sing "i keep messin' up".

anybody know what ar prefers?

love
j u s t i n

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>so, behave yourselves
>everyone! if there are any admin matters i'll deal with
>them as soon as i get back.

oh, we'll be good...hee hee hee...it's like the teacher's leaving...you
need to appoint the nerdiest class member to be the "secret monitor" to rat
on the rest of us "cool kids".

j u s t i n

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justin wrote:

> just a fanciful question: anybody know what amy does sing when she edits it?

i've heard her sing this on tv and instead of having the censors bleep her after
the fact, she just sort of swallows the word. i think that's probably why she
slipped up that one time, because it's easy to forget. but yeah, she doesn't
put anything in its place that i've heard, she just sort of doesn't sing it.

but i think your suggestion of "not measuring up to the best of my ability"
should be considered as a replacement in future high school/tv appearances...
;o)

-kate :o)

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hey java!

has anyone put a name on your dannielle cd? if not, i'd love it!
please let me know. thanks
take care
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i just found out what song the group (ig, sarah, luscious jackson...) will
be performing on letterman - midnight train to georgia! i can't wait to
hear it...i'm sure it will be amazing!

bones

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so does anyone know for sure yet when they will be on? i won't be here
tonight or tomorrow night so i need to set a tape....
thanks,
sharon

bones wrote:

> i just found out what song the group (ig, sarah, luscious jackson...) will
> be performing on letterman - midnight train to georgia! i can't wait to
> hear it...i'm sure it will be amazing!
>
> bones
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ok, ok so i know we all procrastinate, and maybe some of you are still
planning on making orders, but....i've gotten a whopping total of four
orders!!!  yea!!  so if you want a nifty hemp necklace er sumpin else,  with
some shwag looking beads on it , send me yo orders!!  cuz , i got lots o hemp,
and no one to make things for.   and for those of you who ordered things they
are on thier way!
thanks, love yuo guys.
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oohhh now i finally know why everyone keeps yelling
at me even though

a) i don't care who sarah invites

b) i don't care who accepts

c) i know she invites millions of different ppl from
all genres of music

i had said i thought kate was wrong, but i think i
was thinking of some other part of her message or
someone else's or whatever.

for the record, i was agreeing with her.

i really don't care what sarah does or who sarah
does. sarah's sarah.

clear now?
amanda

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thank you, amanda. geez. if you guys are yelling at her because of her
expressing her point of view and just stating the facts then you all need
to get your panties out of a wad. have a good day.
-jen

on thu, 4 jun 1998, amanda wrote:

> oohhh now i finally know why everyone keeps yelling
> at me even though
>
> a) i don't care who sarah invites
>
> b) i don't care who accepts
>
> c) i know she invites millions of different ppl from
> all genres of music
>
> i had said i thought kate was wrong, but i think i
> was thinking of some other part of her message or
> someone else's or whatever.
>
> for the record, i was agreeing with her.
>
> i really don't care what sarah does or who sarah
> does. sarah's sarah.
>
> clear now?
> amanda
>

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oohhhh ok i understand why y'all are misinterping me
now.

so kate said "i think it's easy to *think* that the
artists who participated last year were a
*representation* of *sarah's musical tastes*, **but**
from what i've heard she *invited* tons of
alternative-genre ....

then i said i thought she was wrong because "one of
the rules to being invited to the show was that 'i
have to like their music myself.' "

sooo i was disagreeing with kate because she was
implying that sarah didn't like different genres
(see?) and i'm saying "yes she does." she was
implying that sarah invited ppl from all genres, even
*if* she didn't like them. i am saying that yes the
ppl from last yr (invited and the ones who actually
played) all represent sarah's musical tastes, because
she liked them all.

that's where we disagreed.

so kar quit flaming me now, k?

amanda

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to the best of my knowledge, they will be on friday night - it is being
taped earlier though.
bones

>so does anyone know for sure yet when they will be on? i won't be here
>tonight or tomorrow night so i need to set a tape....
>thanks,
>sharon
>
>bones wrote:
>
>> i just found out what song the group (ig, sarah, luscious jackson...) will
>> be performing on letterman - midnight train to georgia! i can't wait to
>> hear it...i'm sure it will be amazing!
>>
>> bones

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excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, but i have a public service announcent
i would like to make:
<ahem>
<stepping on oxydol carton>

**pleeeeeeeese leave amanda alone.**
we must allow good, decent, smart kiddies to have their say and maaaybe
try to see their viewpoint. compromise: it's a beautiful thing :). ya
think?

that's a goofy chide -- you know i love you guys--to all y'all
(and a rather pissed glare to a certain *one* of you who just can't
leave nice people alone.)

c'mon people now, smile on your brother; everybody get together, try to
love one another right now.
jill

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>sorry for the nigc, but i hope that someone on this list can help me. i

hkf's,

sorry to waste bandwidth for this ( i realize it goes against the faq),
but....

me too! please let me know privately if you can help! (at least i remembered
to delete most of the original message :p)

peace, laura

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hi folks,

i was out of town for a while and am just now going through my enormous
accumulation of list mail (forgot to unsub!) and saw jeanette's lament about
the mail situation:

>i just had a really bad experience with my postal service...a list member
>sent me four boots ($9 postage)

it killed me to see that anyone spent that much money on postage (i made a
similar mistake before i caught on!). it is possible to send up to 1 pound
i think that's right, check at the post office) by *priority mail* for a
flat rate of $3. four tapes definitely falls into this category: in fact i
sent 5 tapes for that, and sent my 5 cd's to rick in a box for that!

years ago i actually experienced having candy stolen out of a valentine card
that my mom sent to my daughter, by the postal service...stealing candy from
babies, what a world!!

peace, laura

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the friday letterman show is *always* taped on thursday (that would be
today). the first taping (the thursday show) happens at about 4:15 and
then the 2nd taping (the friday show) happens about 6:30. i'll be
heading up there after work in an attempt to squeeze in (yeah right).

i've heard that the ig portion will be the 2nd taping (friday).

....still looking for a ride to apple farm (any takers from the nyc
area?)

best wishes,
l'sly

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the shed your skin remix is included on the new cmj monthly cd (i think
tricky is on the cover, but i don't actually recall), along with a brief
interview with amy and a picture. in the interview, amy says that they'll be
touring small clubs with the rolling thunderpussy review in august! now
we'll see what "women's music" is all about!

sarah

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did ya hear the latest?

from the ap - copied wo/permission

"the salvation army says it will no longer take city money and will cut back
on some programs because of
san francisco's domestic partners law."

ignorance abounds.

peace,
lisa j.

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yeah, yeah i'm aware my name is spelled wrong. by the time i finish this
ph.d maybe i'll have figured out how to work telnet...

anyway, "midnight train to georgia". really? sigh. does this make
anyone else a little depressed. first we find out it's not a solo
ig performance, and then that it's the "fish out of water" song for amy.
emily's part is unbelievably good, but i was hoping for something a little
more balanced...

but i've always wanted to find out what she does during this one. anyone
seen it performed live and remember if amy does any vocals? i can never
tell on the cd which btw i just heard floating through the streets of ann
arbor 5 minutes ago. oh well. i guess it can't get any worse than big
yellow taxi when amy is generally burried so far back on the stage i begin
to convince myself she's not out there...

marivel

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> i just found out what song the group (ig, sarah, luscious jackson...) will
> be performing on letterman - midnight train to georgia!

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hello to all in the land of indigo!

someone posted that the latest issue of cmj
had a cd with the sys remix on it.  what is
cmj, and where can i find one to buy?  if i
can't find one here, is there anyone willing to
pick one up for me and i can send $$ or do
a boot trade?  thanks a lot.

-deb

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hola listees,
i saw the creators of pop-up video on oprah and they said that they
put pop-ups that wouldn't make it past the vh1 censors on one frame of
tape during the credits.  in order to see it you have to tape the show
and watch the credits frame by frame.  i did tape the show but my vcr
remote doesn't have batteries yet so i haven't been able to confirm
this information.  did anyone tape it and wants to see if there are
anymore ig pop-ups?

later kids,
diana

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okay i have to preface this by saying that this does not mean that i love
emily, or her songs, or her voice, or her talent any less but...i just
have to ask what people think...
why is it that emily gets to sing songs alone under the ig name (i.e. hey
jesus, fare thee well) but we never hear amy singing solo like that...the
closest i can think is joking and touch me fall...but em still sings back
up and stuff...
call me a freak (many people do) but what is up with that? amy can stand
on her own (obvious by color me grey), but why never like em within the ig
framework?

--audra

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 18:52:17 -0400
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indigopo2 wrote:
"i believe dgtgag is all amy. correct me if i am wrong."

sots liner notes (for dgtgag):
amy ray: vocal, acoustic guitar, electric guitar, electric baritone guitar
emily saliers: vocal acoustic guitar

so...nope...

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hey there :)  someone said why doesn't amy ever sing solo. . . .what about
blood and fire,   romeo and juliet, or keeper of my heart?  she sounds like
she's alone to me!     those are my favorite songs, simply because of the fact
that amy is alone and unencumbered by needless things like a band or backup
singing  :)  i like hearing her sing alone, i like the way she gets so
emotional. . . . .it's just pure amy,  raw and clear, and i  love it!

emily :0 :)

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 19:33:03 -0400
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responding to the message of <a8af8037.35771361@aol.com>
from debigogrl@aol.com:
> someone posted that the latest issue of cmj had a cd with the sys remix on it.
> what is cmj, and where can i find one to buy? -deb

hey all!

i managed to find this issue of cmj. the full title is cmj new music monthly
and it is indeed the july 98 issue with tricky on the cover. here's the brief
interview for those who can't get to it right away...

lydia vanderloo

fresh off the release of the "shed your skin" remix done by rage against the
machine's tom morello, the indigo girls are headlining several lilith fair dates
in june and july, and will be hitting clubs with the rolling thunderpussy review
in late august. amy ray chats about the impetus behind female-themed tours.

q: tell me about the rolling thunderpussy review.
a: about five years ago we were touring, and siouxsie from siouxsie & the
banshees was with us on the road, because her partner budgie was playing drums
with us.  and [we were also touring with] this other folk singer named ferron
from canada.  and we were all singing on stage together, and it was weird: this
person from this serious post-punk sort of world, and this staunch folk singer
and us, together doing a neil young cover or something.  and i was like, "man,
we ought to get all the women we know from different bands, and just form a band
and go on the road and play rock clubs, like a socialist experiment."  so we're
forming a traveling ensemble based losely on bob dylan's rolling thunder review,
and we're calling it the rolling thunderpussy review because it's all women.
it's only ten shows and it's rock clubs, not big places.  it's going to be the
same basic lineup, but we're going to have guests, and we're going to use a
couple of different girl punk bands to open the shows--one group will do five
shows, the other group will do five shows.

q: do you worry that tours like this one and lilith can, in some people's minds,
marginalize women in some way, like put them all in the same category?
a: well, i think the point of the rolling thunderpussy revue is that women make
a lot of different kinds of music.  i do have concerns about the ghettoization
and marginalization of women musicians in general, and how it's seen as a trend.
but i think for us we are kind of looking at it outside of that experience, and
saying, "well, we know that happens and it's a concern of ours, but this tour is
much more about us within the women's community breaking down our own
predjudices."  because i know that even during lilith, i experienced that
tendency, to see a mainstream artist and automatically judge them by what they
looked like--a woman, who i'm supposed to be a supporter of!  so i would judge
them myself with my own predjudices, and it would be like the opposite of what a
man's predjudice might be.  it would be like, "well, they're beautiful, they
must not be talented."  i caught myself thinking this way, and i was like, "this
is bullshit!"  i think that although i have concerns about the marginalization
of women, i am in the spirit of women having their own space sometimes.

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 19:33:20 -0400
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yeah, well the subject line pretty much says it all.  as i was happily walking
out of tower records with my lovely copy of cmj i stopped by the postcard rack
and could have sworn i was hallucinating when i saw indigo girls staring back at
me from the shelf.  it's a really nice photo (the same one as on the first page
of the first curve interview with amy).  all indigo with a little shot of the
sots cd in the corner and the back says "appearing live on lilith fair".  very
sweet (does emily looks 8 years old to anyone else?).  so check it out.  and of
course i made off with several dozen extras in case anyone out there is
"tower-deprived".  just let me know if ya need one...

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 16:47:59 -0700
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i am 32 flavors and then some... wrote:

> okay i have to preface this by saying that this does not mean that i love
> emily, or her songs, or her voice, or her talent any less but...i just
> have to ask what people think...
> why is it that emily gets to sing songs alone under the ig name (i.e. hey
> jesus, fare thee well) but we never hear amy singing solo like that...the
> closest i can think is joking and touch me fall...but em still sings back
> up and stuff...
> call me a freak (many people do) but what is up with that? amy can stand
> on her own (obvious by color me grey), but why never like em within the ig
> framework?

huh? i don't get your question. what about "romeo and juliet," "blood and
fire" and "keeper of my heart?" not only does she sing solo, but she's the
only on guitar...

lots of amy solo, same amount of emily solo, actually... they're so cool --
everything is evenly distributed!

-kate :o)

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 20:04:17 -0400
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hey...glad people responded...i missed keeper in my thinking (what a
sin)...and on the liners for the "indigo girls" album it doesn't say
whether em sings backup for bnf or not...unless i am just completely
missing it...i'll have to give it a listen again...*looks* hrm on this
website it says amy...wow...i'm sucking bad today :)
but i don't (well i wasn't including) rnj because amy didn't write it.

here's one...how come amy couldn't do nashville by herself on rop...she
did so well on cmg?

and why am i being so picky?
cause i cause i can be, i suppose :)

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 19:04:23 pdt
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>need to appoint the nerdiest class member to be the "secret monitor" to
rat
>on the rest of us "cool kids".

i'd like to appoint heather husted. ahem.

jill ;p

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 21:30:33 -0400
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actually on the flat mailer its whqte3ver you can fit in it i mailed about
150 pages in it well over 1 pound for 3 bucks

on thu, 4 jun 1998, laura jackson wrote:

> hi folks,
>
> i was out of town for a while and am just now going through my enormous
> accumulation of list mail (forgot to unsub!) and saw jeanette's lament about
> the mail situation:
>
>
> >i just had a really bad experience with my postal service...a list member
> >sent me four boots ($9 postage)
>
> it killed me to see that anyone spent that much money on postage (i made a
> similar mistake before i caught on!). it is possible to send up to 1 pound
>  i think that's right, check at the post office) by *priority mail* for a
> flat rate of $3. four tapes definitely falls into this category: in fact i
> sent 5 tapes for that, and sent my 5 cd's to rick in a box for that!
>
> years ago i actually experienced having candy stolen out of a valentine card
> that my mom sent to my daughter, by the postal service...stealing candy from
> babies, what a world!!
>
> peace, laura
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two things =)

i still have two lilith fair tickets for sale for the following date:

monday, july 6th, at pine knob in detroit (this is the show w/indigo girls)

seats are row y, seat 2 and row x, seat 2 (right in front of each other)
ticket prices are $92.30 for both of them (which is the original price paid,
including all the nasty extra tm charges)

please email if interested!

and for the nigc portion of our email:  check out captain deneuve's new home
page.  captain deneuve is a local atlanta band made up of some *great* atlanta
musicians - becky shaw, julie clark, candi jiosne, sonia tetlow and linda
bolley.  they are going to be playing atlanta pride, and are looking to book
other events.   the page is a lot of fun, especially if you are a big fan of
the go go's =)

http://members.wbs.net/homepages/c/a/p/captaindeneuve.html

=)
lisa

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at 11:28 am 6/4/98 -0700, laura jackson wrote:
it is possible to send up to 1 pound
> i think that's right, check at the post office) by *priority mail* for a
>flat rate of $3.

yes! this is a perfect way to trade a little more economically. only, i'm
pretty sure that the weight limit is 2 lbs. instead of just one.
(which is even better!)

>four tapes definitely falls into this category: in fact i
>sent 5 tapes for that, and sent my 5 cd's to rick in a box for that!

i don't know what the weight of the tapes equals out to, but i know you can
send at least eight (that's right, 8!) tapes in one package for
the $3 priority rate, because i've done that before. and you may even
be able to squeeze in more than that. we should all check with the post
office to be sure, like laura said, but i'm just almost 100% sure that
the limit is 2 pounds.

another trick for those of you who may not know is that you can send
cassettes and videotapes for the *book rate*, which saves a ton on postage.
it takes a little longer, but to me it's worth it (most of the time).

anyway,

leigh ann

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july 13, pnc arts center, holmdel, nj. terrace, row p. cost $53 each (face
value +$2 service charge). 4 tickets available in pairs or as all 4 together.

email privately if interested.

jacky

save bandwith: stop apologizing for using it.

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hey guys, i have a good friend who is an ani freak, and i would like to know
if anyone knows of an ani mailing list like this one... any kind folks out
there willing to help a nice girl out?

have a nice day!
erin

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>>actually the line from "shame on you" is a quote from someone
>>else.

who? (besides amy's "friend tanner"?)

aaaand, what's a digipak? versus just your everyday cd?

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in the interview, amy says that they'll be
>touring small clubs with the rolling thunderpussy review in august! now
>we'll see what "women's music" is all about!

so its for real!!!! i just thought it was a sorta crazy-joke-dream
thing she and ani had.....
where's the info on this!!!
love,
~carol~

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can i be the first to announce the obvious? dave just said "music from lilith"
will be on tomorrow's (friday's) show. certainly took long enough to figure
out...

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i was trying to find out the list address, but couldn't find it. if someone
could send to me how to subscibe, i would appreciate it. thanks.

bil

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>why is it that emily gets to sing songs alone under the ig name (i.e. hey
jesus, fare thee well) but we never hear amy singing solo like that...the
closest i can think is joking and touch me fall...but em still sings back
up and stuff...

well, i think amy just hasn't written any songs where this is the case
(unless you want to include chipas bound). also, have you noticed that when
amy writes songs, emily gets only background parts, but when emily writes
songs, she gives amy background and at least one of two pivotal or
important lines to sing solo?

"i want nothing but quiet and an active brain."
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hey all,

   i'm on the ani list, and here's the unsubscribe info from the bottom of
the e-mails.  i imagine it would be the same (just using subscribe) to add
yourself to the list.  if it doesn't work, let me know and i can inquire
further.

oh, there are also, info-only lists, etc. and other stuff, but if you
want it to be like this list, then the "rbr-fans" is whatyou want.

roger

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hi all :) i thought i'd pass this on...

>i remembered as i was doing the weekly home page for the web, that >you
were interested in the indigo girls, they're on austin city >limits this
saturday night june 6th 11:00
>enjoy
>bill ziegler, is coordinator, wlvt

i wrote to him the last time someone said that the girls would be on acl
and he wrote me back all on him own. i was impressed :) this info is
for channel 39 in southeastern-ish pa. you'll have to check to see if
it applies to you.
later :)
jill

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one more thing...

i just picked up an extra copy of the shed your skin promo single that i'd
be willing to trade. here's the specs on it:

shed your skin (album version)
shed your skin (live - lilith fair @ canterbury park mn 8/20/97)
shed your skin (tom morello remix)
get out the map (live - lilith fair @ montage mountain pa 8/13/97)
shame on you (live - arlington theatre ca 1/29/98)

take care,
roger

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 23:30:21 -0500
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are we planning on meeting beforehand or ??after??hand?

i'd be interested in seeing if any of you are good vocalists
and would like to attempt some ig songs (if anyone plays the
guitar or wants me to bring mine) and maybe even a new favorite
of mine "the water is wide" (formerly "there is a ship" by peter
paul & mary).

  *^*^*^*^*
*   _o_   *
*  / | \  *  rick
*  _/ \_  *
  *       *
    * _ *

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finally!!!

here's the info on the long-awaited indigo girls bumpersticker!!!  it's
been a long day, so please excuse any stupid typos or seemingly
irrelevant information.  the lovely kate has generously offered to put
up a picture of the sticker on her page.  first, keep in mind that that
is not the real size (it's actually 3 3/4'' x 7 1/2'' - a bit smaller
than the image on your screen.)  if you don't have web access, the
stickers are the letters "a + e = ig" in white type, surround by a deep
blue - the closest color to indigo available.  not the same blue as the
picture on the web.  it's gonna be a bit darker and deeper.  originally
they were gonna be blue surrounded by white, but as i've educated myself
bumperstickers, i've noticed that white letters look much sharper than
darker colored stickers.  they are going to be on a transparent adhesive
sticker that is guaranteed not to damage your car, and they will be
adhesive on the back, so if you don't have a car you can stick it
somewhere else. also, the computer graphic doesn't really do the real
image justice - it looks much cleaner in real life.  check out the
sticker at: www.geocities.com/broadway/alley/2286/indigo.html

the ordering and price information is as follows:

1 - 5 stickers are $1.75 per sticker. this includes shipping and
handling.
5 - 10 stickers are $1.75 per sticker plus $0.50.
more than 10 stickers are $1.75 per sticker plus $1.00.

send your money to the following address:

lizzy hoke
attn: bumpersticker
12700 lake ave. #2605
lakewood, ohio 44107

with your order please include the following:
1) a note with your address and
2) your email addy and
3) how many stickers you want
4) if you are paying by check (i highly prefer checks) please make it
out to "elizabeth hoke"
5) if you are paying with cash, be smart and don't include change, and
don't send it in a cheap sheer envelope with the cash showing through.
if i don't get your money, you won't get the stickers.
6) if you are paying some other way (money order or something) that's
fine, just so long as i can deposit it into my bank account.

to reiterate, i'm not making any money on these stickers - i'm reselling
them to you at my cost. this includes all shipping costs - postage,
packaging, etc. ergo it costs more to get more stickers sent to you.
other important points:

1) i am going to be unsubbing and unavailable via email for the summer
on june 9.  my brother, chris, will be handling all transactions at that
point.  continue to address all orders to me, and all checks should
still be made out to me.  he won't be subbing to this list, but if you
have any questions of any sort after june 9, his email is
choke@smashing-pumpkins.com.  the smashing pumpkins are his true love,
but he's still an avid ig fan, so i forgive him.  no, no, i like the
smashing pumpkins, don't anyone get offended.  esp james' new solo album
- anyone else heard this?  it's fabulous - much more positive and not as
dark as traditional billy corgan nonsense.
2) this offer will expire july 1.  if i have a ton of extra stickers, i
will make another offer this september or so, when i'm back online.
july 1 means send your orders by june 25.  chris will be leaving town
for a couple weeks around the first week of july, and this all needs to
be wrapped up by then.  be aware that if you send me money after july 1,
you may not be getting your stickers for a couple months.
3) if you are overseas, please send me whatever extra money for postage
you deem appropriate.  i have no idea what different overseas rates are,
so i'm gonna trust y'all to be honest with me and send the correct
amount.  but bear in mind that if i get to the postoffice to send them
to you, and you didn't send me enough money, i'll probably be emailing
you to ask you to send more $ - just don't be cheap.
4) you should expect your sticker(s) to arrive in 4-6 weeks at the very
latest.  the stickers won't be arriving here for 2-3 weeks, and
turnaround time from getting your order to sending your order shouldn't
be more than a week.  if you've been waiting for more than 6 weeks,
email chris and ask him if he received your order and what's the status.

5) right now there is no maximum number of stickers you can order. but
i only ordered 250, so keep that in mind.

well, i think that about covers it.  i hope i'm not forgetting anything
important.  i'm tempted to consider interesting trades for stickers, so
email me if you're feeling creative... but before june 9.  any
questions, let me know.  but, please, don't feel the need to email me if
you're ordering.  just go ahead and send me your order via snail mail.
and, in the unlikely event that i get orders for more than 250 stickers,
someone will post to the list right away to say that there are no more
stickers available.  so go grab your checkbooks, and send away for these
beauties today!!! cause you know you'll just forget if you put it off
too long, and you'll be all bummed cause you'll glance at a calendar and
realize its already july 1 and you never send me your order. and these
stickers are gonna be fabulous...

lizzy

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<html>
finally!!!

here's the info on the long-awaited indigo girls bumpersticker!!!
it's been a long day, so please excuse any stupid typos or seemingly irrelevant
information. the lovely kate has generously offered to put up a picture
of the sticker on her page. first, keep in mind that that is not
the real size (it's actually 3 3/4'' x 7 1/2'' - a bit smaller than the
image on your screen.) if you don't have web access, the stickers
are the letters "a + e = ig" in white type, surround by a deep blue - the
closest color to indigo available. not the same blue as the picture
on the web. it's gonna be a bit darker and deeper. originally
they were gonna be blue surrounded by white, but as i've educated myself
bumperstickers, i've noticed that white letters look much sharper than
darker colored stickers. they are going to be on a transparent adhesive
sticker that is guaranteed not to damage your car, and they will be adhesive
on the back, so if you don't have a car you can stick it somewhere else.
also, the computer graphic doesn't really do the real image justice - it
looks much cleaner in real life. check out the sticker at: <a href="http://www.geocities.com/broadway/alley/2286/indigo.html">www.geocities.com/broadway/alley/2286/indigo.html</a>

the ordering and price information is as follows:

1 - 5 stickers are $1.75 per sticker. this includes shipping and
handling.
 5 - 10 stickers are $1.75 per sticker plus $0.50.
 more than 10 stickers are $1.75 per sticker plus $1.00.

send your money to the following address:

lizzy hoke
 attn: bumpersticker
 12700 lake ave. #2605
 lakewood, ohio 44107

with your order please include the following:
 1) a note with your address and
 2) your email addy and
 3) how many stickers you want
 4) if you are paying by check (i highly prefer checks) please make
it out to "elizabeth hoke"
 5) if you are paying with cash, be smart and don't include change,
and don't send it in a cheap sheer envelope with the cash showing through.
if i don't get your money, you won't get the stickers.
 6) if you are paying some other way (money order or something) that's
fine, just so long as i can deposit it into my bank account.

to reiterate, i'm not making any money on these stickers - i'm reselling
them to you at my cost. this includes all shipping costs - postage,
packaging, etc. ergo it costs more to get more stickers sent to you.
other important points:

1) i am going to be unsubbing and unavailable via email for the summer
on june 9. my brother, chris, will be handling all transactions at
that point. continue to address all orders to me, and all checks
should still be made out to me. he won't be subbing to this list,
but if you have any questions of any sort after june 9, his email is <a href="choke@smashing-pumpkins.com">choke@smashing-pumpkins.com</a>.
the smashing pumpkins are his true love, but he's still an avid ig fan,
so i forgive him. no, no, i like the smashing pumpkins, don't anyone
get offended. esp james' new solo album - anyone else heard this?
it's fabulous - much more positive and not as dark as traditional billy
corgan nonsense.
 2) this offer will expire july 1. if i have a ton of extra stickers,
i will make another offer this september or so, when i'm back online.
july 1 means send your orders by june 25. chris will be leaving town
for a couple weeks around the first week of july, and this all needs to
be wrapped up by then. be aware that if you send me money after july
1, you may not be getting your stickers for a couple months.
 3) if you are overseas, please send me whatever extra money for postage
you deem appropriate. i have no idea what different overseas rates
are, so i'm gonna trust y'all to be honest with me and send the correct
amount. but bear in mind that if i get to the postoffice to send
them to you, and you didn't send me enough money, i'll probably be emailing
you to ask you to send more $ - just don't be cheap.
 4) you should expect your sticker(s) to arrive in 4-6 weeks at the
very latest. the stickers won't be arriving here for 2-3 weeks, and
turnaround time from getting your order to sending your order shouldn't
be more than a week. if you've been waiting for more than 6 weeks,
email chris and ask him if he received your order and what's the status.
 5) right now there is no maximum number of stickers you can order.
but i only ordered 250, so keep that in mind.

well, i think that about covers it. i hope i'm not forgetting
anything important. i'm tempted to consider interesting trades for
stickers, so email me if you're feeling creative... but before june 9.
any questions, let me know. but, please, don't feel the need to email
me if you're ordering. just go ahead and send me your order via snail
mail. and, in the unlikely event that i get orders for more than
250 stickers, someone will post to the list right away to say that there
are no more stickers available. so go grab your checkbooks, and send
away for these beauties today!!! cause you know you'll just forget if you
put it off too long, and you'll be all bummed cause you'll glance at a
calendar and realize its already july 1 and you never send me your order.
and these stickers are gonna be fabulous...

lizzy

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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 01:12:57 -0400
reply-to: lizzy hoke <elhoke@amherst.edu>
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from: lizzy hoke <elhoke@amherst.edu>
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sorry to repost this, but i didn't mean to send the first one in html.
here's a text version.

finally!!!

here's the info on the long-awaited indigo girls bumpersticker!!!  it's
been a long day, so please excuse any stupid typos or seemingly
irrelevant information.  the
lovely kate has generously offered to put up a picture of the sticker on
her page.  first, keep in mind that that is not the real size (it's
actually 3 3/4'' x 7 1/2'' - a bit
smaller than the image on your screen.)  if you don't have web access,
the stickers are the letters "a + e = ig" in white type, surround by a
deep blue - the closest
color to indigo available.  not the same blue as the picture on the
web.  it's gonna be a bit darker and deeper.  originally they were gonna
be blue surrounded by
white, but as i've educated myself bumperstickers, i've noticed that
white letters look much sharper than darker colored stickers.  they are
going to be on a
transparent adhesive sticker that is guaranteed not to damage your car,
and they will be adhesive on the back, so if you don't have a car you
can stick it somewhere
else. also, the computer graphic doesn't really do the real image
justice - it looks much cleaner in real life.  check out the sticker at:

www.geocities.com/broadway/alley/2286/indigo.html

the ordering and price information is as follows:

1 - 5 stickers are $1.75 per sticker. this includes shipping and
handling.
5 - 10 stickers are $1.75 per sticker plus $0.50.
more than 10 stickers are $1.75 per sticker plus $1.00.

send your money to the following address:

lizzy hoke
attn: bumpersticker
12700 lake ave. #2605
lakewood, ohio 44107

with your order please include the following:
1) a note with your address and
2) your email addy and
3) how many stickers you want
4) if you are paying by check (i highly prefer checks) please make it
out to "elizabeth hoke"
5) if you are paying with cash, be smart and don't include change, and
don't send it in a cheap sheer envelope with the cash showing through.
if i don't get your
money, you won't get the stickers.
6) if you are paying some other way (money order or something) that's
fine, just so long as i can deposit it into my bank account.

to reiterate, i'm not making any money on these stickers - i'm reselling
them to you at my cost.  this includes all shipping costs - postage,
packaging, etc.  ergo it
costs more to get more stickers sent to you.  other important points:

1) i am going to be unsubbing and unavailable via email for the summer
on june 9.  my brother, chris, will be handling all transactions at that
point.  continue to
address all orders to me, and all checks should still be made out to
me.  he won't be subbing to this list, but if you have any questions of
any sort after june 9, his
email is choke@smashing-pumpkins.com.  the smashing pumpkins are his
true love, but he's still an avid ig fan, so i forgive him.  no, no, i
like the smashing
pumpkins, don't anyone get offended.  esp james' new solo album - anyone
else heard this?  it's fabulous - much more positive and not as dark as
traditional billy
corgan nonsense.
2) this offer will expire july 1.  if i have a ton of extra stickers, i
will make another offer this september or so, when i'm back online.
july 1 means send your
orders by june 25.  chris will be leaving town for a couple weeks around
the first week of july, and this all needs to be wrapped up by then.  be
aware that if you
send me money after july 1, you may not be getting your stickers for a
couple months.
3) if you are overseas, please send me whatever extra money for postage
you deem appropriate.  i have no idea what different overseas rates are,
so i'm gonna
trust y'all to be honest with me and send the correct amount.  but bear
in mind that if i get to the postoffice to send them to you, and you
didn't send me enough
money, i'll probably be emailing you to ask you to send more $ - just
don't be cheap.
4) you should expect your sticker(s) to arrive in 4-6 weeks at the very
latest.  the stickers won't be arriving here for 2-3 weeks, and
turnaround time from getting
your order to sending your order shouldn't be more than a week.  if
you've been waiting for more than 6 weeks, email chris and ask him if he
received your order
and what's the status.
5) right now there is no maximum number of stickers you can order.  but
i only ordered 250, so keep that in mind.

well, i think that about covers it.  i hope i'm not forgetting anything
important.  i'm tempted to consider interesting trades for stickers, so
email me if you're feeling
creative... but before june 9.  any questions, let me know.  but,
please, don't feel the need to email me if you're ordering.  just go
ahead and send me your order via
snail mail.  and, in the unlikely event that i get orders for more than
250 stickers, someone will post to the list right away to say that there
are no more stickers
available.  so go grab your checkbooks, and send away for these beauties
today!!! cause you know you'll just forget if you put it off too long,
and you'll be all
bummed cause you'll glance at a calendar and realize its already july 1
and you never send me your order. and these stickers are gonna be
fabulous...

lizzy

--------------------------- a + e = ig ---------------------------------

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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 00:39:39 pdt
reply-to: toye <indigowomyn@ruralcom.net>
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from: toye <indigowomyn@ruralcom.net>
subject: re: ig postcards at tower...
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does anyone know where someone like me could find any of this or sys remix in st. louis?

toye

f tower records with my lovely copy of cmj i stopped by the postcard rack
> and could have sworn i was hallucinating when i saw indigo girls staring back
> at

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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 00:06:01 pdt
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ok first thing this may be a dumb question, but what is a cd digipak and
how is it different from just the regular cd???

and the 2nd thing freaked me out a bit..i'm browsing at cduniverse..and
it tells me:
people who buy indigo girls also tend to buy these artists:
with the to be expected paula cole, jewel, joni mitchell but a couple of
these seem off the wall!!

hanson ?? - the wallflowers celine dion john denver

hanson seems the most off the wall..oh well i'm off to bed

lamia

http://fly.to/ladylamia
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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 10:11:58 +0100
reply-to: matthew j smith <mts5@aber.ac.uk>
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i'm just writing to say that i'm leaving the list now for the foreseeable
future as this is my last day at university, which means goodbye email and
internet for a while at least.   if any of you need to write to me, then i
will have a hotmail address which is:  indigojo@hotmail.com, but i will
not be checking that as often as i do my current address as cyber cafe use
isn't free :-( (and on top of that, i no longer have a student discount).
i have to say i've quite enjoyed this list - it's a very lively list, with
quite a broad range of opinions and without the same tendency to descend
into flamewars as some of the other lists i've been on in the three years
since i've been online.   however, for those of you who liked my "odd
signs from england", i thought i might share with you another gem which
rolled off the fairport convention mailing list a few days ago, before i
depart ...

mat

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date: tue, 2 jun 1998 13:25:58 +0100
from: <snip>
reply-to: fairport-list@eu.net
to: fairport-list@eu.net
subject: definations

++ please avoid quoting unnecessary parts of this message when replying ++

thought that this might give everyone a chuckle ... espically [sp] in light
of recent posts ...

nikki

it seems there is some confusion about what is a flame and what is a
dissenting comment. and yet it's really very simple. here is how it was
explained to me:

* a flame usually has your name in it, or a colorful variation of your name
('that idiot clarice'; 'moronboyjoel'; 'psycholeon' or 'brain dead brian').
dissenting comments have someone *else's* name in them, occasionally in
humorous variation, with your sig at the bottom.

* a flame often contains the word 'you', repeated several times, as in 'if
you don't shut up we'll hunt you down and tie you to a goat that hates you
with your own underwear.' dissenting comments often contain the word 'you',
but only for clarity's sake.

* a flame quotes you out of context, edits your quote to make you look like
a fool, corrects your spelling pointedly or mocks your posts. dissenting
comments snip posts for brevity, point out poor spelling merely to be
helpful and use arch sarcasm in a witty fashion.

* a flame often commits abuse of a smiley, such as : 'you're an idiot and
your ideas are tripe!! <g> :-) dissenting comments attempt to kindly
soften statements of clear fact with smilies, such as ''you're an idiot and
your ideas are gizzards!! <g> ;-)

* a flame often contains excessive punctuation or is written in all caps,
as in: 'that's more mush from a wimp!!!'. dissenting comments reflect the
author's highly emotional state (the result of a provocation, only), with
evocative punctuation or the expressive use
of all caps.

* a flame may hurl abuse at someone's gender, heritage or shoe size, i.e.:
'it's well known that all swedish/argentinian men with unusually small feet
also have unusually small minds.' dissenting comments are written because
the author doesn't have enough personal information on the other person for
such specific insults.

* a flame makes you feel bad. dissenting comments make you feel good.

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date: thu, 4 jun 1998 20:35:17 -0400
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> why is it that emily gets to sing songs alone under the ig name (i.e. hey
> jesus, fare thee well) but we never hear amy singing solo like that...the
> closest i can think is joking and touch me fall...but em still sings back
> up and stuff...

romeo and juliet for amy. also, a lot of the stuff you're naming is
older stuff, and amy is really just now coming into her own as a
singer, a songwriter, and a musician, whereas emily's been (don't take
this the wrong way, die hard amy fans, no offense meant) more proficient
at all three for years now.

darius

"and i've been fooled about all night
wiped clean always by midnight
wasn't it like an idiot summer..."
---gin blossoms, "idiot summer"

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christy said:
"well, i think amy just hasn't written any songs where this is the
case..."

okay so i'm just missing the reason why a song (nashville) from her solo
effort couldn't have remained just amy...i'm missing something right?
as i told someone else who mailed me privately, i'm not saying that having
em in amy songs is a bad thing, i'm just trying to figure out if there is
any reason...but then again for some reason i have always been really bad
at explaining myself.

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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 08:20:54 -0400
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nighthawk said:
" and amy is really just now coming into her own as a
singer, a songwriter, and a musician, whereas emily's been (don't take
this the wrong way, die hard amy fans, no offense meant) more proficient
at all three for years now."

that's in your opinion. :)

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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 08:49:01 -0400
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hey everyone!

i am unsubbing now b/c i am off to berkeley for teh summer and i don't
know if i'll have e-mail or not. if i can access my account, i will
resubscribe. if not, have a great summer! i'll see some of you at the sf
lilith show!!!

love,
karen :-)

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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 08:59:22 -0400
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on fri, 5 jun 1998, i am 32 flavors and then some... wrote:

> " and amy is really just now coming into her own as a
> singer, a songwriter, and a musician, whereas emily's been (don't take
> this the wrong way, die hard amy fans, no offense meant) more proficient
> at all three for years now."
>
> that's in your opinion. :)

   the songwriter part is all opinion.  as a musician, and a singer, there
ain't no contest...
   of course, most people like natalie merchant better than mary ramsay
(the new 10,000 maniacs singer).  but they're all misguided...  ;)

darius

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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 09:24:53 -0400
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actually when i said it was your opinion, i meant your opinion on amy just
coming into her own. if we were talking about the 82-85 era when color me
grey came out i would be like "yeah she is coming into her own..." but
now, like 15 years later?? tell me you are kidding.

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don't forget "romeo & juliet"!! (one of my faves w/ just amy).
she sang it in sacramento this past jan. and i went crazy!!

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i am 32 flavors and then some... wrote:

> hey...glad people responded...i missed keeper in my thinking (what a
> sin)...and on the liners for the "indigo girls" album it doesn't say
> whether em sings backup for bnf or not...unless i am just completely
> missing it...i'll have to give it a listen again...*looks* hrm on this
> website it says amy...wow...i'm sucking bad today :)
> but i don't (well i wasn't including) rnj because amy didn't write it.

she sings by herself on "keeper of my heart," "blood and fire" and "romeo
and juliet." there are no backing vocals on "blood and fire" and hers is
the only guitar. when she performed it live, emily left the stage. take
another listen.

> here's one...how come amy couldn't do nashville by herself on rop...she
> did so well on cmg?

i think you're missing something here, hon!  it's not that she "couldn't"
sing nashville on her own, she wrote that way.  in other words,  if she
wants to sing a song by herself, that's the way she'll write the song.  if
she wants to have emily sing, that's the way she'll write the song --
she'll write in emily's parts.  they both do this for each other.  it's not
like someone is forcing her to include emily in most of her songs and vice
versa.  they love the each other sings, and they write songs that include
each other.  that's the way they work together, and that's what makes them
so cool.  i mean, on some songs she has other people singing backing
vocals, like on "1-2-3" and cooper sings back up and that part in the
middle.

it's not like emily screams at amy if amy doesn't include her in her songs!
;o)
couldn't you just see it? "amy goddamn you! how dare you write a song
without _me_ included?!? i thought you were my best friend!! i quit!
where are my drugs?!?"

remember that from "watershed?" "i'm so sick of you!" i'm so sick of you,
too!" "i hate you!" "where are my drugs?!?" i almost fell down i was
laughing so hard.

blech. off to a meeting...

-kate :o)

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dont' worry! lel and i are both die-hard amy fans..and this is the first
cd where we felt all her songs were good..way back when there were just
a couple...
i'm a bigger amy fan then emily for some reason..but i can't pick an
emily song that i really don't like..but there are a couple early one by
amy that i felt weren't very inspired...

*hugs*
lamia

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i had started the whole thread of amy singing by herself as a way to
inform myself because i just started trying to get a sense for their
styles based on released materials...and as i said i don't have the
original of rop and the liners for ig don't say much...and i get this
overwhelming sense of "how dare you try and be so separatist"...

so i apologize for stirring people up that way, but i think i will end the
conversation now...i try and keep the controversy in my life to a minimum,
and certainly this discussion does not rank up in the ones that i want to
keep.

thanks to the ones who didn't jump down my throat.

*goes back to the corner of the list and just watches*

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jill certo wrote:

> >>actually the line from "shame on you" is a quote from someone
> >>else.
>
> who? (besides amy's "friend tanner"?)

you got it right the first time: it's amy's friend tanner. that's who
the "someone else" is.

-kate :o)

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hey y'all--
sorry for the waste of bandwith, but foxmulder, are you still on the list?
if anyone knows if foxmulder has a new email addy, could you please send it to
me?

thanks,
lmd

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hi everyone...
as it turns out, i have to go out of town next weekend so i can't go see
ani in battery park city on saturday, june 20 (7:00 p.m.).  i paid $31.25
for each of them ($26 plus $5.25 ticketmaster service charge).  i'll sell
them to whoever wants them for the original $26/each.  that's a $10.50
savings!!!!  e-mail me at smcgill@earthlink.net (do not hit reply--i won't
be at this adress over the weekend) if you want them and we'll work
something out.  first come first serve, i guess.
thanks,
stephen

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ok,

i'm really sorry if amanda felt i was being mean, because i really didn't mean
to come off that way, i was just confused as to what she was opposed to.

amanda i am sorry, i really didn't intend it as a flame and when you wrote
back, i didn't intend my reply to be a flame either, just a clarification of
why i was confused, because i thought you wanted one. your post to the list
explained your opposition, but i *never* intended to flame or hurt you!
please forgive me!

love
kar

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i am 32 flavors and then some... wrote:

> okay so i'm just missing the reason why a song (nashville) from her solo
> effort couldn't have remained just amy...i'm missing something right?
> as i told someone else who mailed me privately, i'm not saying that having
> em in amy songs is a bad thing, i'm just trying to figure out if there is
> any reason...but then again for some reason i have always been really bad
> at explaining myself.

because she changed it so it sounded like that.  like in "land of canaan," how
on sf it's aucostic and on ig it's electric.  she just plays with her stuff
and adds and subtracts as the years go by.  another example of this would be
"three hits."  she played it solo -- just her incredible voice and guitar,
then for the studio release of it on rop she added fiddles and drums and emily
and it sounds amazing.  so she just plays with her stuff, constantly
innovating and improving what she's already written.  ya know?  no vast
conspiracy to include emily on 90% of her songs!  ;o)  i think it sounds
absolutely fabulous with emily singing on it -- she brings a lot to the song.
i think that's what amy intended.  plus she loves emily's voice and talent and
likes to add it wherever she can -- and vice versa.

-kate :o)

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hey all,
the girls are in the june 8th issue of time magazine.  it's on the bottom
of page 40 and the text reads:(all typos, etc. are mine)
        "not here, not now.  free expression has taken some hard knocks
lately...(a bit about terrence mcnally's play)...in south carolina and
tennessee, high schools canceled indigo girls concerts because of offensive
lyrics...(then a bit about stevie nicks.)"
there is a pic of the girls (amy's playing a 12 string and emily's kind of
looking off into space) and pic of steevie nicks.  i sure wish they had
elaborated, instead of just saying "because of offensive lyrics".
there is also a pic each of joni mitchel and ellen degeneres later in the
magazine.
java

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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 16:36:40 -0400
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i accidentally sent this only to java. sorry!

mary.
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mary tibbs
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what happened to them being cancelled because they are
lesbians? that was the initial reason, after all. the
"offensive lyrics" back-pedaling happened after protest
from the gay community. that was my take on it, anyway.
sounds like _time_ got it wrong, to me.

mary.
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> -----original message-----
> from: riney, lora lei l.
> sent: friday, june 05, 1998 3:42 pm
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>
> yes, isn't it ironic that the offensive lyrics of emily and amy can
> cause the cancellation of free concerts yet, the lyrics concerning,
> rape, murder, gang-bangs and cop killers get extended billing and
> media hype galore......pretty sad. loralei
>
> -----original message-----
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>
> i accidentally sent this only to java. sorry!
>
> mary.
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>
>
>
> -----original message-----
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>
> what happened to them being cancelled because they are
> lesbians?  that was the initial reason, after all.  the
> "offensive lyrics" back-pedaling happened after protest
> from the gay community.  that was my take on it, anyway.
> sounds like _time_ got it wrong, to me.
>
> mary.
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> mary tibbs
> fredericksburg, va, usa
> ------------------------
>
>
>
> -----original message-----
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>
> hey all,
> the girls are in the june 8th issue of time magazine.  it's on the
> bottom
> of page 40 and the text reads:(all typos, etc. are mine)
>         "not here, not now.  free expression has taken some hard
> knocks
> lately...(a bit about terrence mcnally's play)...in south carolina and
> tennessee, high schools canceled indigo girls concerts because of
> offensive
> lyrics...(then a bit about stevie nicks.)"
> there is a pic of the girls (amy's playing a 12 string and emily's
> kind of
> looking off into space) and pic of steevie nicks.  i sure wish they
> had
> elaborated, instead of just saying "because of offensive lyrics".
> there is also a pic each of joni mitchel and ellen degeneres later in
> the
> magazine.
> java
>
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kate wrote:
>like on "1-2-3" and cooper sings back up and that part in the
>middle.

actually, my sources tell me that part ("the basement lies within
us...") is actually chris mcguire (from ejs), not cooper.
of course my sources are just listees. ;)

jill

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look, just look at the sweetness that i found in my inbox:

>i'm really sorry
>amanda i am sorry
>i *never* intended to flame or hurt you!
>please forgive me!
>love

look at the *love* on this list, people!!!!!
we're so cute.

just makes me teary-eyed. <sniffle>

jill :,)

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jill certo wrote:

> actually, my sources tell me that part ("the basement lies within
> us...") is actually chris mcguire (from ejs), not cooper.
> of course my sources are just listees. ;)

ooooo... well, they're both from ejs, so what's the difference?!?  ;o)
i thought on the boot i have that's cooper but then again, i've never
heard cooper sing so i don't know what she sounds like.  why did i think
that was cooper?  am i completely losing it?  no, wait... don't answer
that...  ;o)

btw, when i first heard that song, i thought she sang "the isthmas lies
within us..."  i thought, "what a bizarre lyric!"  now i can't listen to
that song without thinking that.  and laughing.  which i'm sure was not
amy's and cooper's original intent.  but then again, if it's true that
art is never completed, as each person who views/listens to it changes
it with their own perception, then i bet amy and cooper wouldn't mind
that i laugh at their song!

oh yikes. it has been a long day, hasn't it? thanks for the correction
anyway!

kate :o)

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so, i was at work today and my mind started wandering ( far far away as it
usually does) , beacause i had "pushing the needle too far" stuck in my head (
anyone ever wonder if playing a song backwards would make it go away?, i mean,
it did go in forwards) anyway, there goes my mind again.  but... is it just me
is this song totally dylan??  and especially with that bit about the "band on
the run."  i mean i feel a flashback coming on.  anyone a wings fan?  i am.
yea so i'm seventeen, i found my parents records ok!  but it just sort of put
me in that whole despair, looking for reasons/ answers, sort of dylan mood.
queens closing doors, boys o.d ing. anyone else feel this way? or am i nuts (
don't answer that).
val

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you can hear a ani concert and a interview at this url college
club is a
great site
http://www.collegeclub.com/music/jamtv/
as well as inteviews and a show (somewhat ) of sarah mclaughlin
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ooh, i have to touch this one, although i can see flames coming already...
before making statements like that one, it might be wise to listen to all
ig recordings, and i am referring to the major label albums, too...amy
sings solo on songs like "blood and fire" "romeo and juliet" "keeper of my
heart"...
i once found myself getting peeved over some fans of ig who were obviously
pretty young and who were sitting near me who didn't even know the names of
the albums...i'm getting old and intolerant. sorry...
peace,
sharoane

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i distinctly remember hearing that the song "shame on you" isn't even
autobiographical on amy's part...it's based on a film she saw about mexican
americans...
peace,
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> >>actually the line from "shame on you" is a quote from someone
> >>else.
>
> who? (besides amy's "friend tanner"?)
>
> aaaand, what's a digipak? versus just your everyday cd?
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um, again and again i find myself correcting some info here...
that's not cooper...that's chris mcguire from ellen james society.
we need a much longer ig faq...
peace,
sharoane
i mean, on some songs she has other people singing backing
> vocals, like on "1-2-3" and cooper sings back up and that part in the
> middle.

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amy performed romeo and juliet at the one and only concert i've seen them
in - at the university of vermont last fall. i was very psyched at this as
i was under the impression from others that i was with that they rarely
perform this song in concert. but they hit on my three favorites: romeo and
juliet, tangled up in blue, and least complicated, so it was a wonderful
"first" for me! :)

at 07:13 pm 6/4/98 edt, you wrote:
>hey there :) someone said why doesn't amy ever sing solo. . . .what about
>blood and fire, romeo and juliet, or keeper of my heart? she sounds like
>she's alone to me!
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
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the graduate with an engineering degree asks, "how does it work?"
the graduate with an accounting degree asks, "how much will it cost?"
the graduate with an arts degree asks, "do you want fries with that?"

* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *

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i do believe this is one of the longest lasting threads we (the listee's) have
carried on that was actually about the indigo girls! (in reference to the
emily/amy solo ordeal...)

way to go guys... i knew we could pull through

:)
have a great one
~trooper~

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from the daemon records e-mailing list:

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hey ya'll,

it's time to bring everyone up to speed again....

***three finger cowboy***
check out our web page for the newest members of the daemon
family. the cd's are in and we have posted the entire cd in our new
listening room. their release date is the 16th but we are taking
pre-orders now.

***terri binion***
by some oversight we never added audio of terri on the web. for those
of you curious to hear this wonderful album, head to terri's page
and listen to the whole thing.

***new t-shirts***
we are still deciding on colors, etc.! we should have them up in a few
weeks.

***new links page***
we have added a new page full of all our favorite links. just a few to
start but plenty more on the way. some are of the political
nature...our way of saying get involved.

***june special***
this months special is danielle howle's live at mckissick museum.
a live acoustic set at one of danielle's favorite clubs. special price
$10.00 with a free mckissick tour poster.

***kristen's thumbprint***
finally got in touch with kristen and cassettes are on the way! man,
is she hard to track down!

***daemon article***
those of you who are of the literary type might have heard of a magazine
called the oxford american.  well, once a year they come out with a
killer edition on southern music and they were nice enough to include
a piece on daemon.  a bit of our philosophy and a picture or two.
the mag also includes  stuff on rem, nanci griffith, ben folds five,
and a cool cd.

***new mongrels lyrics***
we have added the new mongrels - big cup of empty lyrics to the
web. so if there was some word you couldn't figure out, just point
to the page.

***daemonunderground***
have ya'll scene the daemonunderground site yet? a friend on the
west coast maintains a very cool site with interviews, news, and
contests. we love it! www.daemonunderground.com

***michelle malone tour dates***

thu jun 11 the moonroom charlotte, nc 8:30-10:30 $5 704-342-2003

wed jul 08  the bay  chattanooga, tn  w/danielle howle and the tantrums
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fri jul 31  the grey eagle  black mtn(asheville), nc  $7 704-669-0777

sun aug 09 newport folk fest
sat aug 15 michigan women's fest

that's it from here...

support your local indie music!
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date: fri, 5 jun 1998 19:20:33 -0400
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actually i -have- listened to all of them, and i forgot about keeper.
the others i couldn't tell if em was in the background and as i have
repeatedly said, i didn't have the liner notes to check.
i think instead of assuming i haven't listened to them, treat my question
and me with a little more respect...
or maybe i'll just not ask any questions/try to start any conversations.

--audra

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sharoane said:
>i distinctly remember hearing that the song "shame on you" isn't even
>autobiographical on amy's part...it's based on a film she saw about
mexican
>americans...

could those shots of those leg-flappin' dancing folks in the video be
clips from that film?

jill

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audra wrote:
>i think instead of assuming i haven't listened to them, treat my
question
>and me with a little more respect...

now, folks, really. this is turning into an "i'm an
older/better/right-er fan than you and i'm gonna reply with this air of
condescention to you" thread, which, though it may be hailed for it's
long-standing, is not fun to read, for me at least. i myself don't
particularly enjoy watching some of you beat audra into a corner.

respect: like compromise, it's a good idea.

jill

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i'm taking names, and when sherlyn gets back, i'm tellin'
her everyone who was misbehavin'... and you guys are gonna
be in trouble....

peace + love,
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alright ladies and gentlemen...i had no idea how many of you out there were
"tower-less".  i'm a little swamped with requests now (and can only go back so
many times without making the sales clerks veeery suspicious about my postcard
needs).  so i'm gonna go with the list i've got so far.  if you've written me
i'll definitely get you a card.  for the rest i'm sure there are others on the
list who will pick up extras for anyone else still desperately in need of a
postcard fix.  generally all you have to do is ask on this list and people
spring to action.  ya know?

take care...

marivel
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heather..
could you email me privately regarding the tape that you sent me....i need to
ask you if "idwtai" is the only thing you want.....
thanks
eliz

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for those of you in the dc area i got a hold of a few post cards at the tower
at tyson's corner when i went to get tix for tina and the b side movement
(amazing show! go see them if you get the chance...shameless plug...couldn't
help it)...they had a few left...i didn't get many because last time they had
post cards...this time of ani...i took a lot of them and my g/f got soooooo
mad at me so i figured i better not risk that again...anyway...if you have
some reason to be at that tower maybe they have some left....

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i am looking for any ig poster.  my two friends are moving away and
really want one.  and suprise suprise, i can't find any.  so please help
me.  i would love it and they would be really happy.

hugs and hershey kisses~
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in a message dated 98-06-05 17:21:13 edt, jillyc@hotmail.com writes:

<< actually, my sources tell me that part ("the basement lies within
us...") is actually chris mcguire (from ejs), not cooper.
of course my sources are just listees. ;) >>

hey yall,
i have a question...is it chris or cooper ??? cause then in ejs do they share
vocal leads, or who is the lead singer...like on the song "weapon in your bed"
who is the lead singer ??? because if it is chris mcguire a lot of things
would make more sense now to me as far as the sound of viva la diva goes, but
then if it is cooper on wapon in your bed(i am probably not making sense but i
am real tired) because no one has ever really answered this for me... thanks
: )

oh yeah i almost forgot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the caps are in the
stanley cup !!!!!!!!!!!!! woo-hoo!!!!! i have been waiting for this day since
the 4th grade...and i am going to game 3 !!!!! ok sorry, i had an outburst...
sorry for the nigc ; )

later
sasha

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i know there has been talk before about deoodc..
someone's auctioning it off at ebay
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=16407167
description:

don't eat out of dented cans, with don't give up on me baby and walk
away, by amy and emily. also elise witt and others. released by radio
records #002. description of them from lp jacket: "a pair of recent
emory university graduates, amy ray and emily saliers have attracted a
large following in atlanta. hard driving acoustic guitars and gusty(sic)
vocals characterize their sound." rare and a perfect sealed copy, to
boot!

*hugs*

lamia

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okay i take it back.  i take it all back.  i'm *elated* that they chose this
song for the letterman performance.  i wasn't even upset that amy didn't get a
solo verse like the rest of that front line--emmylou, rebekah (?) and
emily--did.  actually if i'd known that amy would be doing those "ah-ah's" i
never would have fussed about the imbalance of the song.  clearly she (amy) has
gotten over that "fish out of water" thing and appeared to be directing the rest
of the band throughout, dontcha think?  yay!  fabulous performance!

amy sure was no fish out of water this time!! wowee!! and her voice was clear
as a bell as the low alto!! loved it!

amanda

all i have to say is:
amy ray is so f***in fine!!!! wow..that womyn..wow..
she did sound really great tonight :)

*hugs*
lamia

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okay, that was fabulous!  and even if amy didn't have a solo, she looked
so fine, jammin and just having a blast, that it worked perfectly.  they
were all just having too much fun up there.  mmmmm... esp amy...

in other news, i have a quick question.  did anyone ever clear up what
the benefit/disadvantage is to a digipack?  i was doing some last minute
cd shopping at bestbuy today, and found some jewels... michelle malone's
newest was available in both jewel case and digipack, and the digipack
was two bucks cheaper - i was under the impression that digipacks are
rarer, and therefore worth more?  it was interesting, i went to a local
used/indie music store first, and didn't find a thing that interested me
- then at bestbuy i hit the jackpot.  patty griffin, caroline aiken's
baker's field (wow), mm, an old dylan album that's hard to find
(desire)... i was amazed at the selection.  and great prices.  so,
although i never find any cool/rare ig stuff round here, i shouldn't
really complain.

signing off,

lizzy

oh, yay!!  that amy girl...weeee!!  looked like she was enjoying every
minute of it--almost as much as i was ;)  ooooh, and in her oh so yummy
low voice!!  of course, i might be biased...hehe.  way to go girls!

---kelly s

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that's caroline aiken's butler field.  which leads to another question:
what is ssi?  (from caroline's note under butler field "i left emily a
message and asked her if she remebered this song from so many years
ago.  she left me a message, and sang it to me.  healing and revealing
the many years of loving ssi."  maybe it's a southern thing?)  i'm sure
this was covered at some point, but i'm asking anyhow.  for those not
familiar w/ this album, it's some classic caroline, and the song butler
field is sung w/ amy and emily and is just gorgeous.

ok...good ol sarah (list quitter...well, i guess i have the account to
myself now....) wrote me today...thought i'd forward it...anyone else
see this? i didn't.....
anyone know where the girls could be right now (are they performing
anywhere? new york?).

i'll kick myself for not watching....
carol

>call me crazy but i think our amy was on rosie today, well, in the
>audience!! i couldn't believe my eyees the first time, but the second
>time the camera showed the audience, i was convinced. there were no
>guests on teh show todya, just rosie talking about the tonys and
showing
>clips of musicals that had performed redcently on her show.
>call me crazy.....
>sarha

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i have been off the list for two weeks and i'm not sure if there were any
shows scheduled or not since i was outof the country. if anyone has saved
recent information like show reviews, set lists or announcements of new
shows, or any new indigo news that i should know about could you please
forward it to me?

thanks very much!
rob
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was amy trying to cover the bass in 4 part harmony? damn...that was
some loooow singing...lower then even what i've heard amy usually
do...who needs mens voices when you have amy!!!!
heh
carol

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kind listees,
there have been many posts from astute listees, sharing
accolades regarding the girls' letterman performance.
please know there is one totally distraught ig devotee who
is guilty of profound stupidity! i forgot to watch, much
less tape, letterman!!!
my pain and anguish are great....
my suffering might be eased by gifts of ig tapes or other
tokens of friendship...
you may email me privately for my snail mail addy...
gee guys, thanks a bunch!

you mention why couldn't nashville have remained just amy.  i am a music major
(if that has any significance at all!!) and harmony has always been important
to me.  if a song has no harmony i make up my own... i prefer to sing harmony
rather than melody (years of being an alto at work no doubt!!).  the thing
that first attracted me to the indigo girls was their amazing harmony and this
uncanny sense of when to use harmony and when not to.  i think in nashville,
the most amazing part is when it gets a cappella (no guitars), i think you all
know the part where i mean.  that part gives me chills caused you can hear
that it's not one melody and a stupid one note harmony line, but rather two
(or in this case three) intricate melody like lines that lock in so tightly.
the a cappella part sums it up for me, without the guitars and other
instruments getting in the way you can hear that incredible harmony soar out
at you and it makes it that more powerful when the instruments come back in.
for this reason i am very glad that the song isn't just amy, cause that part
really does give me chills.  if you don't know what i'm talking about, listen
to it, it is amazing.
just my $00.02
--kate

ok, since i couldn't get a ride to apple farm this weekend (grumble,
grumble), i went in search of ig postcards from tower.  the tower on
b-way in the village was out, but i managed to score a bunch at the one
at lincon square.  they also had a few generic lilith fair postcards (no
mention of ig).  the surprise was in a shop down the street, they had a
promo postcard for a group called "gaycapella"--obviously a gay
accaeplla group.  at the bottem it said features covers of .......(a
long list of groups)......and the indigo girls.

i'll be back at some tower's today and i'll see if i can get more....if
so, i'll make a big offer available to the list.

also, this guy i know at hmv music stores told me that indigo girls has
a release coming out on 6/30/98. for about $30 it's their first three
albums in a boxed set. no word on the sys remix cd. anybody know where
i can get one of those???

cheers,
l'sly (who still loves the ig list even if nobody would take him to
apple farm)

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if someone would be kind enough to oblige me with a copy of ig on letterman
(and maybe if you're feeling extra generous a copy of austin city limits too)
i could send ya a blank tape and postage... i fell asleep around 10 and
totally forgot about the it...thanks!

-heather

chris v. cooper: both of them have very distinctive voices, imho. it is
*definitely* chris in the middle of 123, and also singing michael stipe's
part on back on the bus, y'all. i love her voice. she does lead vocals on
every songs on survivors parade by ejs if i remember correctly, but i don't
have their other album (my 13 year old sister laughed at me for saying
"record" the other day-i'm 21 and my speech is dated). i also recommend
getting hold of the mary fortune express cd, if it is still possible. they
were shortlived but awesome.

i haven't seen any comments on letterman yet, so i'll just make my own. the
woman on the other side of emily (rebekah, i guess?) had an amazing voice,
and added a neat sound to that song. amy didn't have much of a part
(background vocals and electric guitar) but she seemed to be having fun
rocking out with luscious jackson behind her. i was thinking about what
someone said on the list yesterday that amy didn't have much of a part on
this song, and they should have picked another...then i realized that the
last song they played was shame on you, so its probably fair that this was
one which highlighted emily. also, it wasn't an indigo girls appearance, but
a lilith fair promo, so they had to go with a song that would show off
everybody's talents...

finally, a little thread someone inspired. which studio version of land of
canaan do you prefer? strange fire or indigo girls (1200 curfews doesn't
count)? i personally like the ig version - the tempo is steadier, and i
like the small changes in the lyrics and their presentation- how they are
fit to the music.

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

ssi = supplemental security income which is mainly given to people with
disabilities toi supplement an job income, since historically, full time
employment has been extremely hard for people with significant disabilities
to obtain, and many people with disabilities would have a hard time getting
insurance to cover medical costs which are generally higher than the
non-disabled population. it's a safety net - but 500 bucks a month isn't a
great deal of money for people to live on. i'm actaully getting off ssi real
soon (the biggest disincentive isn't losing the $$ benefits - but the
medical coverage...
knowing too much about ssi-
vacationing in boston (james taylor rocked last night)
mike r.

lizzy hoke wrote:
>
> that's caroline aiken's butler field. which leads to another question:
> what is ssi?

although michael reynolds had a good answer, in this case i believe
ssi = st. simons island, .. off the ga coast. :)
--

dr
-- indigohio '98 :)

don richards wrote:
>
> lizzy hoke wrote:
> >
> > that's caroline aiken's butler field. which leads to another
> > question: what is ssi?
>
> although michael reynolds had a good answer, in this case i believe
> ssi = st. simons island, .. off the ga coast. :)

yep. caroline grew up on st simon's & has tried to help, however
possible, those who have been trying to preserve the island over the
years.

i just found out that caroline will soon be without a record label -- so
please try to support her by going to see her whenever she'll be playing
nearby.

she'll soon have a new web page up under noma (national online
musician's association) -- now that hidden water is no longer able to
maintain web pages for folk music and folk musicians:

http://www.songs.com/caroline

which can also be accessed from:

http://www.buymycd.com/caroline

independent artists need all the support they can get from their fans.

peace,
--
-- mel <melsouth@mindspring.com>

sasha asked:
>i have a question...is it chris or cooper ???

okay, it is chris, for sure, backing them on 1-2-3. look in the liner
notes for back on the bus, y'all, and here's what it says:

lead electric guitar: cooper seay
guest vocals: chris mcguire

so that deep, covered (she swallows her tone in a strange way-- choir
people know what i'm talkin bout), alto is chris mcguire, not cooper.
although, on some ejs songs, for example, god in heaven, it would make
much more sense for that voice to belong to cooper-- like when chris and
amy are singing "if you want me to, i'll go away, but if you'll let me,
i will stay..."
you know, this is verging on gossip. i'll stop here.

jill

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i like the version from strange fire better... i don't really know why...
strange fire was the first album i ever bought and that was my favorite song.
so when i heard it with the drums and everything i was like, "oh no!!" i just
think it makes it more raw and full of emotion on strange fire, they have more
leeway to slow down and speed up w ith the flow of the lyrics and emotion and
what not when they don't have the drums, bass, and percusion.. anybody know
what a slide guitar is?
--kate

hi kids,
personally i like the sf version of loc better than the self titled
version.  there's too many instruments on the self titled version it's
too much.  there is a point where additional instrumentation takes
away from a song rather than adding texture-in my opinion.
a slide guitar is just a regular guitar except on the your left hand
(you pick the finger, pinky/ring) you wear a slide (looks like a tube)
and you slide it on the neck when you play a string, creating a funky
sound.  emily plays slide in the joking video if you want some visual
footage.

later,
diana

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in a message dated 98-06-05 18:35:05 edt, sharoane writes:

<< i once found myself getting peeved over some fans of ig who were obviously
pretty young and who were sitting near me who didn't even know the names of
the albums...i'm getting old and intolerant. sorry... >>

to quote peter townsend ( i think)

the kid's are alright.

let them be.
:\
claire

i'm torn between those 2 versions. i like the tempo on ig -- but the feel on
sf is better. the sf version has some fun "interjections" from amy that make
me laugh -- especially since i was already really familiar with the ig version
before i heard it.

i love the liner notes in 1200 c promising that this is gonna be the last
release of loc :)

peace,
lisa j.

where can i get/see the soy video????

pax, celeste:)

aaarrgghh!!!!!!! i'm so pissed that i missed it!!! i was even watching
it....it was the first commercial break, and the next thing i know, i wake up
at 6:30 in the morning!!!!! i'm too used to going to sleep at 10:00 for
school... when do they show reruns of letterman shows????? i'm so pissed...

pax, celeste:) <--(even though i don't mean it...)

<< << i once found myself getting peeved over some fans of ig who were
obviously
pretty young and who were sitting near me who didn't even know the names of
the albums...i'm getting old and intolerant. sorry... >>

well, i'm glad i know all the words to all the songs, much less all the
albums!

pax, celeste:)

aaack!!!
i can swear i just heard k's choice on a pepsi ad!  please, someone, say
it ain't so!!!  has anyone else heard this "generation next" ad?  i am
just so disheartened that they would (have to?) do this.  it's always
such a shame when a great band sell out like that.  anyone have any
thoughts on this?
sorry for the ig-free statement.  i was just so shocked that i had to say
something to someone.

gwen

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in a message dated 98-06-06 13:48:42 edt, you write:

<< finally, a little thread someone inspired. which studio version of land of
canaan do you prefer? strange fire or indigo girls (1200 curfews doesn't
count)? i personally like the ig version - the tempo is steadier, and i
like the small changes in the lyrics and their presentation- how they are
fit to the music. >>

indigo girls. definitely.

~~tigger, high priestess of amyism and all that stuff

okay, here's me and carol, 12:30 p.m., watching cbs:
"aaaaaahhhh!"
"yaaaaahhhhh!"
<jumping up and down>
"aieeeeeeee!"
"get the camera off emmylou!"
<hugging each other>
<carol clutches her head in her hands like those deranged beatles' fans
you always see in their old film footage>
"ohhhhhhhh!!! look at amy, look at her!"
<giggle giggle>
"get the camera off emmylou!"
"aww yeah, rock it, em!"
<biting lower lip, this idiot smile frozen on my face>
"god, i can't even sing *that* low!"
"look at her!... ohhh god what that woman does with a guitar and her
pelvis..."
"get the camera off emmylou!"
<sigh>
<sigh>
"aaaaahhhhhh..."
"eeeeeeeee...."
"awwwwww...."
"get the camera off *emmylou*!"
"ohhhhhhhh...."
<sigh>
;)
jill

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i was cleaning out my school account and found this... thought this
might be of uhm, interest to some of you. this blew my mind when i read
it-- my mom's a mormon, if you'll recall!

this is what the book of mormon answerman told me in response to my
query about religious gay-bashing et al.:

>book of mormon answerman:

>why do some members of the
>homosexual community rationalize
>that they are incapable of loving
>in a hetero sexual way? the way
>that god has sanctioned?  and if
>god does not recognize the
>marriage of two men, this is not
>this adultery?  how many
>homesexuals get married on the
>average?  0.000000001%?  does this
>not mean that the rest are living
>adulterous relationships?  yes.
>this is not about love.  it is
>about adultery and fornication.
>
>sincerely,
>
>answerman
>
>http://www.new-jerusalem.com

hooo yeah. feel free to visit the above addy to see their page and
leave some comments with mr. mormon.

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does anyone on the list know of any amy solo albums that are out there on
the scene? i have been looking but to no avail----i would appreciate any
leads...not leeds....leads!! :) christy

"the more lost you are, the more you have to look forward to"
--ally mcbeal--

hey all,

just wondering if anyone picked up the latest edition of cmj. a version of
"sys" that was remixed by rage against the machine's tom morello. it's
cool.....i guess this version will also be released in august along with 5
live tracks from the last tour.

to subscribe to cmj go to: www.cmj.com

brian

hey all~
can anyone please tell me what song this quote is from: "don't take life
so seriously, it's only life after all (almost)" ??? this has been bugging me
for a couple days now. my fav. teacher wrote this in my yearbook. please email
me privately if you know. thanks!
~alyssa

caitlin could you please write us? we lost your email address.

kim & rhea

do we have to live inside its walls to identify the cage

farron

hellooo y'all-
list of random queries:

1. tigger, did i send you a blank for purple parrot?

2.  anyone out there, pleeease tell me you have an extra bethlehem
ticket or two... i know there was a 10-ticket-per-person limit, so i'm
hoping some of you seized that opportunity and got extra.  i'm looking
for a platinum circle seat, which are sold out now.  i'm willing to pay
double the face value or give ya lots of boots, or a complimentary copy
of my zine, or whatever you think adequate...(free transportation to
mwmf after bethlehem maybe?)

3. i received my decatur 5/9/87 boot in the mail the other day, and i
was horribly upset to hear that it cuts off in the middle of the last
songs on both sides (strange fire on side a, get together on side b).
it's on a 90-min. tape, and i'm guessing that it belongs on a 100-min.
tape. (i'm not blaming this on the chicky who dubbed it for me-- her
copy of it cuts off too, so we've goth got this problem )does anybody
have a copy of this boot that *doesn't* cut off the songs? please
contact me.

4. what's the difference between the 60 and the 90 minute blue food
boots?

5. what's the difference between the 3/16/97 white dot (60 mins) and the
45-min. amy solo white dot that i see on folks' boot pages?

6.i'm looking for the roseland, nyc 3/19/97 boot (the one with ani where
they sing when doves cry), so anyone who has this, could you please
privately email me?

thanks for your help,
lovies,
jill

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hey all!

the familial guilt trips are finally kicking in and i'm thinking of passing on
lilith this year.  i've got one ticket to lilith fair at pine knob in detroit on
monday july 6th.  this one is reserved seating and the ticket is row e, seat 17
in the pavillion.  so you'll be safe from rain, and in roughly 10th row center.
not bad considering both shows (monday and tuesday) with indigo girls are both
apparently sold out (including lawn?  wow!).  so if you might wanna purchase
this ticket let me know.  i paid a little over $50 for the ticket and would like
to get that amount for it if possible.  please contact me as soon as possible if
you are interested in this ticket.  thanks!

marivel
*----*---*---*---*---*---*
*"is that a real tat???" *
*----*---*---*---*---*---*

eh, if i made it sound that way, i'm sorry...i don't think i'm a "better"
fan than anyone, though i admit grudgingly to the older part.  my best
friend has been an ig fan since 1987, long before me, and she didn't know
as much about them or their music as i did...and she is a dedicated fan.
what happened is that i assumed incorrectly that audra hadn't heard the
songs that amy had recorded solo. i've met many people here and in other
places who are big fans but only have the last few albums that ig put out,
and i personally, having a fairly good ear, never needed liner notes to
know that amy was solo on those songs--not saying that i am some how
superior to anyone else for that talent, because i'm not--and i simply
suggested that she listen to all the recordings before making a statement
like she did, so i was guilty of a faulty assumption. i'm sorry about that,
but again, i didn't mean it like you took it.
   peace,
               sharoane

> audra wrote:
> >i think instead of assuming i haven't listened to them, treat my
> question
> >and me with a little more respect...
>
> now, folks, really.  this is turning into an "i'm an
> older/better/right-er fan than you and i'm gonna reply with this air of
> condescention to you" thread, which, though it may be hailed for it's
> long-standing, is not fun to read, for me at least.  i myself don't
> particularly enjoy watching some of you beat audra into a corner.
>
> respect:  like compromise, it's a good idea.
>
> jill

yep...it's a regular guitar tuned to an open tuning (one that can be played
without fingering any chord and it sounds good) and played with a slide.
slides can be anything from glass to metal, and are usually just tubes big
enough for a finger to fit into and worn on either the ring or pinky
finger...
i used to have one until my ferrets made off it with it.
   peace,
      sharoane
>
> i like the version from strange fire better... i don't really know why...
> strange fire was the first album i ever bought and that was my favorite
song.
> so when i heard it with the drums and everything i was like, "oh no!!"  i
just
> think it makes it more raw and full of emotion on strange fire, they have
more
> leeway to slow down and speed up w ith the flow of the lyrics and emotion
and
> what not when they don't have the drums, bass, and percusion.. anybody
know
> what a slide guitar is?
> --kate
>
>

hi y'all!

i just got back from a 24 hour relay for life for the american cancer society.
i organized a team from work to fundraise for the acs and we had at least one
team member on the track walking for the 24 hours.  the ig content of this
message is that i took the relay as the opportunity to spread the wonderful
message of the ig music.  naturally i had ig songs on cassette to help me walk
around the track during my shift at 3 am (i must say i was a rockin'!) but i
also took a dj shift from 1 am to 2 am and just had to play some ig music.  no
one came running up screaming "i love a + e" but the people who were awake
seemed to be enjoying the music.  i'll be better prepared next year and am
going to put together some rockin tapes to play at all hours of the early
morning.

peace,
leslie

i loved watching amy dance while she played her guitar. she seemed to enjoy
herself so much!

after listening to this song over and over on curfews, it was nice seeing it
played live, especially with other singers because it made emily's verse seem
so much more precious.

i just wished they would have shown more of that cute luscious jackson drummer
:) --- and more of amy, too, actually!

wmntime

hey all,
well, i've been having a horrid weekend (i'm talkin' car accident, messed
up girls on letterman tape, and bad job interview)...but...i found this
great radio station out here in the inland valley. i actually heard ani
and ig (sys) within 20 minutes of each other. yeah! so if you're near
temecula listen to 88.9, it's sooo good.

also, does anyone know what's up with austin city limits? someone said the
girls would be on tonight, but the paper here says lyle lovett??
java

that is from closer to fine!!! (:

jenn

does anyone know when the next time the indigo girls are playing in ny? it
seems like they should have this weekend or next weekend considering they
filmed the leno show here....just wondering....
alex

it seems like they should have this weekend or next weekend considering
they filmed the leno show here....

they filmed a leno show. but isn't leno in la? now i am really
confused!

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

i dunno where leno is filmed, but according to pollstar, the girls are
going to be at appel farm in elmer nj on june 6th, at randalls island in ny
on june 14th.

peace, karen

ps...what the heck does "pax" mean?

> they filmed a leno show. but isn't leno in la? now i am really
> confused!
>
> hugs and hershey kisses~
> luna
>

hey y'all!
   i think i missed something....  i went to tower and to another music store
today, looking for the tom morello remix, but noone had it...nor did they have
it on their computer, even!   is it not being released as a single?  is it,
but not in oregon?  does anyone have access to a copy?  heeeeeeeeelp! :)
since, i'm sure almost everyone else on the list knows the answer to this, you
can reply to me personally...unless of course you think others might not be in
the know.
thanks,
jen

hey can someone please privately email me directions on how to get off the
*^$*&^(*(& digest and back onto bounce???? please??? i'm desperate.

~~tigger (the freaky one with the altar and everything)

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on sat, 6 jun 1998, gwen b nelson wrote:

> i can swear i just heard k's choice on a pepsi ad!  please, someone, say
> it ain't so!!!  has anyone else heard this "generation next" ad?  i am
> just so disheartened that they would (have to?) do this.  it's always
> such a shame when a great band sell out like that.  anyone have any
> thoughts on this?

   it seems that i always tend to stire up controversy around here.  must
be that international farmboy upraisin'.
   how do you want to define "sell out"?  is it when a band begins to play
out, thus making money?  is it when they start getting locally popular,
produce a home-grown disc, and make more money?  maybe is it when they get
a record contract, and make even more money?  or what about when they go
gold, having sold 500,000 records?  they're making boatloads of money now,
probably around $25,000 per band member, depending on how much the album
cost to make.  out of a hundred bands, perhaps only one or two will ever
arrive at that level.
   no, money isn't everything.  but can you afford to raise a family, to
feed yourself and live without it?  probably not.  and when you're
working, trying to pay for college at the same time, can you always take
the time to practice five hours a day to be able to play the songs you
always hear?  i can't.
   has this pepsi commercial changed k's choice's musical direction?  i
doubt it.  but i do know that pepsi paid money to get the band to do what
they like -- to play some music, and then have a good time on camera.  if
you have a crusade going against pepsi, then of course you have the right
to be indignant.  but sarah and gert probably don't.  and they can feed
their families, themselves, perhaps grab that new guitar which will play
the solo that grabs me on their next album, and not have to worry about
flipping burgers while trying to record that album.
   shameless self-promoting bastards.  sellouts.  i hope they crash and
burn.  or something.
   anybody else have any thoughts on the matter?

darius

hey all.
just got back from appel farms.
the girls went on much later than they were scheduled to so
i don't think they played as long as they would have.
but...they rocked.
it was just another incredible performance.....i'll leave the review to
others.
'night
jk

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date: sat, 6 jun 1998 21:00:17 pst
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> it's always such a shame when a great band sell out like that.

hi folks,

i'm sorry i called k's choice sellouts.  i didn't mean "ah, you bastards
have thrown your morals to the wind and now you're nothing but
money-making machines."  i ment  that they have turned to a large
mega-profit company (or it has turned to them) for a little extra cash
and exposure and it's a shame that they aren't allready as popular among
radio programmers (and the general public) as a decent band like them
should be.  i still think highly of the members as musicians and i
sincerely hope the added exposure does them well.  i look forward to the
day when i can flip on the raido and hear thier current single (or even
better--a recurent) as often as i hear any other random alterna/rock
band.  so please, let's let this one die.

gwen.

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 01:02:39 edt
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hey..they'll be in ny at a festival on randall's island...next weekend

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the girls rocked tonight...their voices were right on but i wish that they
could have played longer...i couldn't have asked for a better day...i thought
that the encore was too abrupt , but their energy and communication with the
crowd...in particular when some girls threw amy a shirt asking them to come to
their hs was enjoyable...but all in all...i believe that a fun day was had by
all....and it was another kick ass performance by a+e...

night...or should i say morning all....

indigo<3-jen

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date: sat, 6 jun 1998 23:03:41 -0700
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hope you are having a good weekend!

the tom morello remix of sys is available right now in at least 3 ways:

1- red cover shed your skin promo single that was sent to college radio (i
think). if you're a lucky duck you might be able to find a copy in your
local used record shop. this one has 5 tracks (sys album, sys live, sys
remix, gotm live, soy live).

2-blue cover ep also a promotional item, this will be available at tower
records' lilith fair booth **with the purchase of sots.**  every date on
lilith will have an alloted number of eps, so those at the end of the tour
will have as good a chance as those at the beginning of the tour.  this cd
has 6 tracks: sys remix, gotm live, soy live, eiiot live, blister in the
sun live, sys live.  (sys, gotm, + soy live are the same recordings as are
on the red sys.)

3- the cmj sampler. don't know anything about this one other than that it
is out there.

as far as releasing the remix as a commercial single ... that's pretty
vague. at some point after lilith ends, epic/sony/indigo girls may decide
to do something else with it, or they may not.

happy hunting, caroline

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 02:50:24 edt
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hey all!!

just came from eddie's attic semi-annual shoot-out. this is a competition of
all the monday open mic night winners. grand prize: $1,000.

a band new to the atlanta scene, (originally from tampa) halcyon, kicked
ass!!!!! these girls are totally awsome and should be considered by all
indigo fans!!

check them out at http://www.halcyonmusic.com

on to the igc...

one performer tonight played a clever little song (which he swore was totally
fictional) called, "lost my woman to an indigo girl". the author and
performer of this song was blake guthrie... if anybody knows of any web sights
or links to this man...let us all know!!

that's all. now back to your regularly scheduled program!!

~~~robin

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 05:31:18 -0700
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hi listees,
aaaaccckkkk! i had the vcr all set to tape letterman and my dad took
my tape out before the show was on (dad, i love you but i could kill
you). is anyone willing/able to dub a copy for me or knows if
letterman repeats?

thanks,
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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 07:56:07 -0500
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long ago when i first begged for boots i was told to send 90 minute
blanks for these two boots...so now when people request  theboot from
me, i look at the tape, it says 90 so i tell 'em send me a 90...low and
behold i listened to these again i the mist of bootin for folks and they
are 60 minute tapes  with tons of air space.....sooooooooo i fill in
that air space ( mostly with mamkins interview or somesuch)
so my question to the one person who knows the very most about the
indigo girls( notice i said "the")..and i really don't care who claims
to be that person:
what are the real boot lenghts of:
white dot
dug out ( not the blue food)
color me grey( and how come i have 2 boots of that, one is excellent
copy , the other..pretty much crapola quality)
and  of course the ever popular...whohas that copy of the emily solo
boot..you know who you are you lying snake in the grass...cause over a
year ago you boasted to the list that you personally spoke to emilyand
shesaid it was ok to boot it and we all got all warm and squishy and
then we never heard from you again..how could you have done that to
us..your fellow listees.......i digress....
anyway..if anyone knows the boots time mentioned let me know.
and for those of you who are getting boots from me, there will be no
dead air time..i'll fill it in
thanks
oh yea..how come no chi towm lilth this year (or did i miss it)
and ..anyone goin to see ani on the 28th...chiquita says location has
changed to the aragon, not uic pavillion..if yer goin let me know and
we'll meet ( nic , you still alive ?)
and becarefu...they haven't swept the floor in that place since i saw
joplin sing there in the 60's...eeeyyyeeewwwwww....but the rats like
it....
btw way..since i'm digressing..anyone else bummed that ani went and got
married......i mean i'm happy fore her and all but its like...well , how
can ya sing that song anymore ( and no sus thats not what i mean so
don't start crabbin)..plus how would you like to be goat boy as she
sings night after night.."you were never a good friend and you were
never a good lay"...yep...sure would do wonders to my ego,,,,.
anyway, i'll shut up
miss bink..glad to see ya outta the treees
pooh

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 09:21:21 -0400
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i think the person who does have the emily solo tape never met the ig, this
is the stuff as i remember it:
m* (a pseudonym) received the tape as a rare trade and had no idea of it's
worth and did offer it - but was told emily did not really want it traded.
so she respected her wishes. (a side note: my friend john wrote and
performed a off broadway play and sent me the script which is still
unpublished and he only asked that i did not make copies as he was trying to
get it published. so i can see m*'s perspective here.) someone did ask em if
it was okay to trade and she said okay, but m* wanted concrete proof, a
quick note or something - just to cover her ass, which was not provided.
(which, since m* is very professional makes sense. i have an panel discussion with anthony edwards of
er fame i am putting up in real audio and i have a written okay to do so.
given the new copyright law and the booting of rare recordings 1,2, and 3,
which completely pissed amy and emily off, i have to see her point of view.)

i feel stupid too because i had a full interview where i could ask them
anything and it would have taken a whole ten seconds to clear up, as i would
have had it on tape once and for all.
however - if someone can find the track listing - i have a alternate b-band
demo tape i got long before the "tuesday's children boot surfaced (it is a
different remixes or demos - i have listened very intently) and there are a
few solos on early recordings 3 which were uncirculating which may be from
around the same period. i also seem to think the songs were almost all
available from various boots (some circulating more than others and a
"hybrid" reconstruction - often done in booting circles could be made with
some effort...)
if anyone does get to interview emily and ask her (and provide proof,
reliable proof) i'm pretty sure m* would seed the show.
as i remember the whole controversy, but who knows what six years of college
may have done.

peace - this is not a flame
mike r.
quite certain m* would be willing to seed the tape,

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 09:23:28 -0400
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are you sure some sara fan or someone else hasn't encoded the whole
performance in mp3 or real audio? i got several tori and ani clips just
searching on the net...
peace-
mike r.

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 10:40:31 -0700
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this just in: indigo girls will be playing meadowbrook farm musical arts
center in gilford nh at 4 p.m. on july 12th. tickets are
$twenty-something and can be obtained by calling (603) 225-1111 or toll
free 1-888-5-meadow.

it's an outdoor, ga concert!

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i've just gotten back from my brother's wedding in nashville only to
find there was a power failure (my microwave said "pf" when i got
back) and my vcr lost the programming and didn't record letterman.

could any kind soul who taped it please contact me. i'd really
like to see that ig performance. thanks.

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 12:08:48 -0400
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i've been personally spectulating that a four voices deal was *bound to
happen with ani dar and the ig: now i have a bit of supporting evidence.
on dar's tourdates for newport it says with ani and the indigo girls.
hmmmmm.....

can anyone figure out when the ig are scheduled to perform at fleadh?
dar is sat @ 12:50 pm
peace-
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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 12:25:50 -0400
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hkfs,

well, there has been a change in address - my brother is moving. so, if
you've already send money to the address i posted before, that's ok - no
problem. you'll get your stickers. however, if you're just now pulling
out your checkbook and thinking about how good that sticker is gonna
look on your car/trunk/window/??? then send your $$$ to the following
address:

lizzy hoke
attn: bumpersticker
2708 inverness road
shaker hts, oh 44122-2706

in case you missed the first post, here's the pricing:

1 - 5 stickers are $1.75 per sticker. this includes shipping and
handling.
5 - 10 stickers are $1.75 per sticker plus $0.50.
more than 10 stickers are $1.75 per sticker plus $1.00.

you can look at the sticker at
www.geocities.com/broadway/alley/2286/indigo.html
and you can send kate a nice note thanking her for being so awesome and
putting all that info up on her page at kmfukawa@ucdavis.edu.

i'm unsubbing tuesday - after that if you have any questions send them
to chris who is overtaking this project while i'm out of town at
choke@smashing-pumpkins.com.

thanks!

lizzy

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 12:33:18 -0400
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i'm going hiking along the appalachian trail for about 10 days june
13-23 or thereabouts.  i am planning on hiking alone in the nh/vt area,
and concern has been expressed by family and friends for my safety.  i
have done long distance hiking before, so i know what it's about, but i
have never hiked the at, nor have i ever hiked alone.  does anyone out
there have any words of wisdom of any sort regarding hiking the at alone
up in vt/nh??  i have spoken to some at gurus of sorts, and i have
decided that although there are risks, they are calculated, and it's
worth it.  but i'd love to hear from anyone with some experience in
hiking the at, especially way up north.  i've heard that there are a
series of 9-10 huts that serve food up there along a 100 mile or so
stretch of the trail?

i know this is totally not igc, so i apologize, but i'm trying to keep
myself safe, and y'all are a great resource. thanks for indulging me,

lizzy

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hey y'all,

i have a couple of questions:

1) on 1200 curfews, "chickenman" has a little blip on the word born in "born
of the wild" right at the beginning. is that a flaw in my cd, or is it like
that on all of them?

2) anybody else notice the resemblance between natalie merchant's new cd
cover for ophelia, with her reclining on a sofa, and our beloved swamp
ophelia, with ar reclining on sofa? coincidence, flattery through imitation
or blatant rip-off?

3) did anybody ever come up with a good count of how many concerts ig has
done?

i had another, but it has flown out of my overtired brain.

peace,

pam

go bulls!!!!

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>how do you define a sellout

sellout = letting producers who are throwing you money and making huge
promises influence you to fire half your band of 3 1/2 years.......and then
instead of showing integrity and loyalty and sticking up for your band mates,
you actually fire them!!!!!! aka lift (oops...i mean liftovers).....oh yeah,
and shooting yourself in both feet musically while you're at it!!!!!!!

getting off my well-used soap box.............
lisa

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 14:23:09 -0400
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pax means peace, essentially. it's a term left over from the days of
knights...i think...
peace,
sharoane

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ok here's a brand new auction:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=16586266

it's the sys remix the biddings at $10.50 at the moment. there's still 6
days left on the auction though so it might get pricey!!

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 14:38:41 -0400
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if there is someone out there who can pick me up a cmj with the sys single
thingy (and/or the tower ig postcard) please let me know and i can make it
worth your while (ig wise) =)

lori
up here in canada not having a clue where to get a cmj.

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 14:52:04 -0400
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hey y'all and greetings from berkeley!

i have really really really great news!  last night i was in tower records
in berkeley and i came across a real treasure...free ig postcards!!!!  the
clerk was watching me, so i only took a few (i may go back for more) but i
have a feeling that they can be found at any tower records store or at
other establishments that give those free postcards away!  okay, that's
all for now!

bye!

:-) karen

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 15:04:00 -0400
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amy chortles:

it's going to be the
same basic lineup, but we're going to have guests, and we're going to use a
couple of different girl punk bands to open the shows--one group will do five
shows, the other group will do five shows.

oh mi big toes!!!

i can die and go to heaven. it's finally gonna happen, my two worlds
colliding!!!

who wants to roadtrip? this is better than michigan even!

rawk on, amy liz

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ok, i decided to post my review of the lilith fair pre-view in bryant
park. this is going to be kind of long, but bear with me and i promise
to try and make this stimulating. i know the show was a week ago, but i
really want to get this out.

last year's lilith fair was a novelty: the first all-female tour. it
was a wonderful idea, a ton of female artists got their break, and many
women's charities were supported. this year's event promises more of
the same.

first, let me tell you the good parts about the bryant park concert.  it
was 1 block from my office and i got there early.  i got a great spot
right on the wall and could see over everything.  the first band, an
un-signed nyc local was called antigone raising and they rocked.  loved
them!  the second band, eden white, i didn't care much for.  rebekah had
1 good song.  between every set change, they played disc 2 of the lilith
fair starting out with "water is wide"...it made me think that ig was
there with me.  then sarah rocked!!!!!  her set was tight, she looked
good and was having a good time.

but now i have to get this off my chest and i don't know how else to say
it. seeing everyone one of the artists up their in their levi's, the 10
foot high levi's signs all over the park and every artist thanking
levi's after every song....i'm beginning to wonder if lilith fair is
even about music anymore.

for me, when i heard that levi's was sponsoring, i was appalled.
however, i thought i'd go and reserve judgment to later.  but now, i
can't hold back.  how can we select a sponsor for lilith that is so
anti-woman?  levi's is 2nd only to nike in their abuse of women
employees in china and indonesia.  is it not hypocritical to say this
event is about women and giving women opportunities (ie, record deals)
that they wouldn't have had at the expense of our "sisters" around the
globe?

and then that brings me to our one and only indigo girls.  they are
always standing up for injustice in the world.  just back in december,
emily and amy were telling me to learn more about chiapas.  will they
stand up at lilith like every other act and ask me to learn more about
levi's???  maybe i'm stupid or missing the point, but it seems to me
like sarah "give me my 501's" mclahclan and even our ig are selling
themselves and their message out when the give themselves over to a
corporation.  no doubt this will generate lots of messages about the
cost of putting on a tour of this size.  if other big name acts and
other festivals (d.a.n., u2, and even rem) can go on tour without a
corporate sponsor, i think lilith and ig can do it.  somehow it just
makes their message much more purer and genuine.

levi's in an interesting company in itself.  it seems like a natural
choice on the surface.  levi's has always presented itself as a
forward-looking, progressive company.  they were one of the first "big"
sponsors of gay rights and advertising in gay magazines (along with naya
bottled water).  i remember years ago when levi's made big news saying
they would advertise in essence and ebony and other african-american
magazines.  levi's has always sought to maintain a progressive image
that "we" can get in touch with.  in 1992 (or was it 1993) they pulled
out of china over alleged human rights abuses to women and established
"country codes" setting a minimum standard in which countries they would
operate.  in the fall of 1997 they abolished these standards and began
actively seek out subcontractors with horrible records of abuse in order
to save money.  and this is who we get for a sponsor for lilith
fair...an event out giving female musicians opportunities.

i know we've been discussing the selling out of k's choice, but i think
this is a different deal.  it's not selling out if your making money.
everyone needs to make a living.  but it *is* selling out when you take
a moral stance and then back off of it.  i hope to god this isn't what
ig is doing.  however, i really must question their moral integrity by
going on the lilith tour with levi's as the corporate sponsor.

assuming ig hasn't sold out (which i don't believe they have, but i do
think that going on lilith is in poor taste), perhaps since they are so
involved in causes, they may wish to use this opportunity to take a
stand against injustice.  they have in the past.  but being one of the
major headliners on a tour like this with a sponsor like that....god it
just makes my stomach turn.  if ig goes on this tour, i will have a
*very* difficult time taking their other messages seriously (gay rights,
chiapas, honor the earth, etc.).  when you stick corporate promotion in
with legitimate causes, you diminish your real message.  i think that's
what ig is doing.

i still love ig, but selling out is selling out in my book. and the
indigo girls are coming close.

with all respect,
l'sly

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 15:20:29 -0400
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from mnoelm@aol.com:
> 1) on 1200 curfews, "chickenman" has a little blip on the word born in "born
> of the wild" right at the beginning. is that a flaw in my cd, or is it like
> that on all of them?
> pam

i always thought it was just amy taking creative liberties. whenever i hear the
song live or the studio recording i *always* sing "bo--orn of the wiiild" with
the pause "mid-word". never thought it might be digital...

> go bulls!!!!

amen sister! gonna be 2-1 chicago by the end of tonight, right?!?

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couldn't a said it better myself

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hello to all in the land of indigo!

i'm glad to hear that ig will be playing in new hampshire the
day after harbor lights. does anyone know when tickets
go on sale? if so, could you let me know? thanks a lot!

-deb

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i'm hanging around the house today and i've got the radio on
and this talk show host (mark davis) is talking about how
it's tom jones 50-something birthday and was raving about
him (ya gotta admit jones is something of a pop icon)
so hes talkin' about how tom jones performed last week and
he's still got it goin' on and i quote :

"man, the panties were hittin' the stage llike it was an indigo girls
concert !"

i found the irony in that quite amusing.
heh.
:)
claire

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mornin yalls,

okay, i'm a little late, but i haven't been able to get to a puter in
two days so here are my thoughts on the letterman
performance...emily--she looked great, sounded great, and looked great
too!...amy--speaking of looking great,,,she seemed restless though
(says lori who was pacing for the 45 minutes leading up to the
performance)...emmylou harris--pretty good for an old chick :d
jk...luscious jackson--where was jill??? and why where there no good
closeups of the drummmer? i think there were a lot of luscious
jackson fans across the country who were terribly disappointed at
about 12:30 early saturday morning.

k next order of business.  i walked down to my local tower to go look
for that cmj magazine thing (the june issue is still out so i guess i
have to wait awhile more): and while i was there, some guitar magazine
caught my eye.  the cover story was something bout the "ten divas of
rock" (*gag*) so i thought i'd peek.  it was awful, terrible, and
factually incorrect throughout.  i read the first line in the little
bit on paula cole and almost dropped the magazine and threw up in
disgust.  the thing actually said "paula cole's 1997 solo debut this
fire".  my god, if you're gonna write an article for actual
publication, at least get your most basic facts straight!  paula's
solo debut was '94's harbinger.  sheez.  then there was a little
column on lilith, and i don't remember the line exactly, but it said
something to the effect of "returning lilith favorites indigo girls,
natalie merchant, and sinead o'connor".  i was happy to see the girls
get a mention, but am i the only one who thought merchant and o'connor
are new to the tour this year?  they also chose ani difranco as one of
their ten "divas" though, i don't know if that's a compliment for her
though.

speaking of tower, i also searched the entire store to see if they had
any of those indigo postcards that have been mentioned on this list
recently.  but my local tower is on the fringes of waikiki so the only
postcards they had were of naked hula girls dancing in the sand or
something.  anybody got an extra two or so they're willing to spare
for a poor girl out in the booneys?  maybe we can pull a trade or
something if you want some postcards with naked hula girls on the
beach :)

lori ann (who is typing on her dad's puter at his office and just
noticed that his extension number is 1 2 3. wow freaky)
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it was worth the money to get.i liked the crow on the front of it. it was a
lovely touch. t least i think it is. love listening to all the songs even
though i had them on tape already. besides the 4.5 cd i got my hands on i
am still trying to find the remix of soy. would a bookstore like
waldenbooks carry it since that is the only book store in town. or is their
a place i can send money to to get a couple copies of it.

not indigo girl related but dad brought me home a kitty and i named it
spots. it isn't like patches but oh well i am already found of it. missy

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no, no, no...

go jazz !!!!!!!

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the info for the newport folk summer 98 tour is finally up on the web
site: <http://www.newportfolk.com/tour.html>. here's the basics:

artists vary at each venue, but include at *least* 2 *major* folk names
at each. there are 2nd stages, artists tba. tickets are avail thru
ticketmaster (except sf). some dates are already on-sale. some of the
major artists include: joan baez, bruce cockburn, nanci griffith, john
hiatt, alison kraus, lisa loeb, lyle lovett, richard thompson, violent
femmes, dar williams, wilco.

newport folk summer 98 tour dates (with on sale dates)
------------------------------------------------------

thu 30 jul  atlanta, ga        lakewood amph  (sale: sat 13 jun)
sat 01 aug  camden, nj         entertainment ctr (sale: sat 13 jun)
sun 02 aug  jones beach, ny    jones beach (sale: sat 16 may)
sun 09 aug  saratoga spr, ny   spac (sale: sat 31 may)
fri 14 aug  charlotte, nc      blockbuster pav (sale: sat 20 jun)
sat 15 aug  raleigh, nc        walnut creek (sale: sat 20 jun)
sun 16 aug  columbia, md       merriweather post (sale: thu 04 jun)
thu 20 aug  indianapolis, in   deer creek (sale: sat 27 jun)
fri 21 aug  chicago, il        the world (sale: sat 20 jun)
sat 22 aug  detroit, mi        pine knob (sale: sat 16 may)
sun 23 aug  pittsburgh, pa     star lake (sale: fri 29 may)
sat 19 sep  san francisco, ca  concord pavillion (sale: tba-bass tix)
sun 20 sep  los angeles, ca    greek theater (sale: tba)

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in a message dated 98-06-07 14:23:39 edt, you write:

amen to that!!!!!

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about the mormon answerman, i checked the site to be sure and let me tell you
all that is *not* an official mormon website.  while mormons do not condone
homosexuality, the church's position is one of love and compassion, not of the
harshness that the answerman would have you believe.  if you are interested, i
can email you the section of the proclamation to the world that discusses
homosexuality, but please email privately.  i just wanted to be sure the list
knew that not all mormons think on the harsh terms of this answerman.

also, i'm ready to kill myself, i missed letterman! if any kind soul would be
willing to make me a copy of the tape, i'm sure i could find some life long
service to repay your kindness!

love
kar

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>the booting of rare recordings 1,2, and 3,
>which completely pissed amy and emily off...

now, hold up for a sec.  i was under the impression that the girls
didn't care if we traded boots.  i figured this applied to *all* boots,
not just recordings of live shows, but you're telling me otherwise.
a) tell us more about this purported pissing
b) are there any other boots floating around out there that we were not
supposed to get our paws on but somehow did anyways, thereby irking amy
and em again?  this doesn't feel so warm and fuzzy.

jill

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first off. just like 99.9% of the rest of you, i'm pissed cuz i missed
letterman. blast. :( i won't even ask for a copy of it yet...
i'll wait till the excitement dies down a bit. ;)
secondly...can someone help me get in touch with barb basaj?! i need her
e-mail address...it's kinda important...
okay...so it's not as much as i thought...i'm not feelin' too chipper
today so i won't go on and on...no chortles for my indigo friends
today...sorry y'all.
have a good one.

bethany :)

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hello,
i am a ig fan that is from south carolina( the place were high schools
want let you see ig concerts). i have been looking for ig stuff, but
suprise, can't find any here. can any of you wondrful people help me
find the sys remix or anything else.
meredith

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pax is latin for peace.

celeste, correct me if i'm wrong.
jill

>pax means peace, essentially. it's a term left over from the days of
>knights...i think...

>> ps...what the heck does "pax" mean?

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they have *no* problem with trading tapes - it was a case of a close friend
making a considerable profit on the early recordings series of cd's - turns
out one of the duo walked in was not happy when she saw stuff she meant for
friends being sold for a considerable profit - stuff epic owned rights to
and stuff...
stomp and stamper (i'm messing that up) had an interview with amy where she
discussed it. they both have publically said they have no problem with
trading boots...

peace-
mike r.

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jg fonted:

.but in the latest cmj magazine with tricky
>on the cover, the remix of shed your skin with rage against the machine is on
>the cd sampler thing.

i bought it today and let me tell ya peeps it totally furkin rawks!!! amy
is a funkkeeee mammjamma at heart and i always knew it. its just been too
good of a day, i gotta go drop to my knees and give five mins to the
punkrawk god

xxoo, sus

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 21:39:18 edt
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whats cmj mean, so i know what i'm talking about when i go to tower.?

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 18:42:50 pdt
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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 17:03:50 pdt
from: jill certo <jillyc@hotmail.com>
subject: re: white dot and dugout not blue food

>the booting of rare recordings 1,2, and 3,
>which completely pissed amy and emily off...

>now, hold up for a sec.  i was under the impression that the girls
>didn't care if we traded boots.  i figured this applied to *all* boots,
>not just recordings of live shows, but you're telling me otherwise.
>a) tell us more about this purported pissing
>b) are there any other boots floating around out there that we were not
>supposed to get our paws on but somehow did anyways, thereby irking amy
>and em again?  this doesn't feel so warm and fuzzy.

>jill

my understanding  is that particular boots were actually tapes that amy
had made for friends/ family members a long time ago, that somehow got
out...  there was a big thing about this about a year back?  with ig
withdrawing their support of a bootleg/ collector's store in atlanta,
although i forget the name of it now.  there is a reason behind their
"pissiness".

alicia

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 21:54:00 edt
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in a message dated 98-06-07 21:43:26 edt, you write:

<< there was a big thing about this about a year back? with ig
withdrawing their support of a bootleg/ collector's store in atlanta,
although i forget the name of it now. there is a reason behind their
"pissiness". >>

for those who werent around for this:

the store was rainy day records in atlanta.  they were selling ig boots,
remastered cds and collectible things for a huge profit, besides that they
weren't giving ig their cut.  but i think what annoyed them more than
anythiong else was that rdr was *selling* things like the "study hall" boot,
and amy's "color me grey" - things that ig considered their personal, private
property.  amy had russel carter management call and chew out the guy who owns
rdr, and soon after that, rdr quit selling any ig stuff at all.  also, not
long after, rdr held a benefit concert, convinced a bunch of atlanta folks to
play (*for free* i think) to raise money for a new building.  with the money
from that concert, rdr moved to key west.

how's that for ethical business practices?

~~tigger (you know, the weird one with the robe & candles)

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 21:58:49 edt
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in a message dated 98-06-07 20:39:33 edt, jillyc@hotmail.com writes:

<< pax is latin for peace.

celeste, correct me if i'm wrong.
jill
>>

tigger studied latin at the high priestess academy. jillybabe is right. :)

~~tigger, high priestess of that brown-haired chick that plays guitar for some
lesbo band out of some hick town in the deep south (grins all around)

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 22:18:26 -0400
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dang, and i almost let jill pill get away with this one.

>>need to appoint the nerdiest class member to be the "secret monitor" to
>rat
>>on the rest of us "cool kids".
>
>i'd like to appoint heather husted. ahem.

pshaw where'dya get that ideer?  neener neener jilly, i know you're just
sweet on me.  not all librarians are nerds.  why, i know one that's a
lesbian avenger.  not me.  i just have a wallet chain and tattoos on 75% of
my body.  but not really.

ig content...um, dave matthews is a fun show, even in a football stadium,
but the girls and their audience (i saw only *2* recognizable grrlfriends
there, but even then...) are sooooo much nicer. and i agree with b.p., (hi
hon) radiohead are truly the most amazing band i've ever seen live after
patti smith and ig and michelle malone. :) ig laser show, yeah!

and list content...anyone wanna organize some kinda listees' chat?  like in
one of the yahoo chat rooms?  some have expressed interest and it might be
kinda fun, we could even make it a regular thing.  a way for the newbies to
ask questions without "wasting bandwidth" perhaps.  we could do song of the
weeks and be super-interactive, responding as if in conversation.  i doubt
it would get too crowded too quick but if it did there are always private
rooms available.  i've never organized anything like this before, and i
*don't* have aol, which i know is the easiest way to do this, so if anyone
has any ideas, take this job and run it.

luv,
h

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 22:31:11 -0400
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here's an excerpt from an interview with amy done by stomp & stammer
back in may of '97. the entire interview is still on line at
http://monsterbit.com/stammer/may/story2.html for anyone that wants to
read it all.

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amy ray: "there is some stuff going on right now that i have a problem
with. i'm not gonna name any stores, but when people take recordings
that
have already been done, and they bootleg them, and they reissue them,
and
make money off them, that pisses me off. like, i saw a bootleg of our
ep!
they don't own the license for that! epic owns the license for that, and
they own it for a reason, because we wanted them to release it as
b-sides,
and then maybe later on down the road as part of a box set. it's like,
if i
wanted the thing released, we would release it! you don't take something
and steal it from somebody like
that, and make a lot of money off it. and it's wrong. it's wrong,
period.
there's no question to me about it."

stomp and stammer: on the other hand, as a fan of other musicians, i'm
sure you
understand that desire to 'have everything.'

"people bootleg our shows all the time. i have no problem with that. we
expect it to happen, and it's not an issue for me... [but] you know,
i've
seen some bootlegs recently in atlanta that are reissues of tapes i made
when i was in high school and college, of me and emily, that i made and
gave to people as gifts. and i consider those my property. i consider
them
to be things that i created myself, that are not for people to sell. and
when i see someone doing that, a store, you know, i'll withdraw my
support
for them. because
it's wrong. especially if they don't ask me."
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dr
-- indigohio '98 :)

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 21:37:11 -0500
reply-to: rick hodgin <foxmuldr@indy.net>
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i posted a message asking if anyone could copy me the ig on
letterman and i've received at least 10 responses!!!!

thanks to everyone who responded. you'll be getting more
personalized replies but i just wanted everyone else to know
how great this list is for stuff like this. it's so nice
for everyone to offer to help.

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 22:54:19 -0400
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grandma riot grrl wrote:

> who wants to roadtrip? this is better than michigan even!
>

right on sus - but when is this rolling thunderpussy review (don't you just love
saying that?) tour gonna take place?  and whereabouts?  are there any definate
dates/venues or even tentative ones?  i think i heard august - late august
maybe?  don't know where i heard that...  and although i have to admit i know
very little about punk riot grrl type music, i have this feeling i really dig it
- plus how can you possibly not want to follow the girls around small rock venues
amy was talking about playing?  sounds dreamy.

lizzy

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 22:16:39 +0800
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finally someone put down in words what i've been feeling all along, but
have been unable to say as eloquently. if anyone has the slightest inkling
what goes into being in a band: forsaking your time to learn a "real" skill
and instead practice for a career that has a very fickle audience and, even
if you do succeed, a questionable shelf life; they would think a little bit
before saying stuff like this.

it's a risk, people, to be an artist. and for every musician that succeeds,
there are a hundred others that end up doing shitty jobs which are all they
are qualified to do, since they spent all their time playing the guitar.
darius, i salute you.

sincerely,
ian c.

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 22:57:32 -0400
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just had to add my 2cents to that! go bulls! it was great watching the
game from california and watching my home team embarass the jazz!

okay, sorry!

:-) karen

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date: sun, 7 jun 1998 23:21:19 -0000
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i need help in naming the cat. every name i came up with no one likes. i
thought of emily or angel? which one would you chose and why? missy