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date: tue, 30 jun 1998 22:57:57 -0500
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howdy all,

just had an idea for a new one. new to me at least, flame me
privately if it's been brought up before. :^)

if you could sit with the girls and ask 2 questions, what would they
be?

peace & love,
jules

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it makes it a requirement for survival---- rene dubos 1981

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howdy all,

just had an idea for a new one. new to me at least,
flame me privately if it's been brought up before. 
:^)

if you could sit with the girls and ask 2 questions,
what would they be?

peace & love,
 jules

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date: tue, 30 jun 1998 21:20:29 -0700
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dear all:

with people trying to phone russell carter and other members of the ig
entourage directly about the es donation, i feel compelled to speak.

if we truly want to honor and help why must we seek a physical
connection?

there was a rabbi from (i believe) the 13th century who wrote of
"tzedakah". this can be translated as "charity" but a more accurate
translation would be "acts of faith".

the 2nd highest "act of faith" is when the giver and receiver remain
anonymous. the highest "act" would be to help someone get a job so that
they might help themselves.

much lower on the list would be where the giver & receiver know each
other's identity.

what is our purpose? to help? or to meet ig?

melissa
"who is going back to watching "invasion america"

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 00:15:40 edt
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in a message dated 98-07-01 00:12:44 edt, jules@mr.net writes:

<< if you could sit with the girls and ask 2 questions, what would they
be? >>

1) is there any part of your career that you would change?

2) if you had your choice of what you could be in your next life, what would
you be?

~~tigger (please be advised i am changing isp's. my new email address will be
dragonjen@hotmail.com as of this mailing.)

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 00:21:26 edt
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ok!

if i got the chance to ask them only 2 questions..

well at the vh1 taping i got to ask what it was like to do the movie boys on
the side... so that one is out. (yes, that was me!!!!)

ok here goes..

1) how does it feel when you are in front of a huge crowd of people at a
concert, like the one last july in nyc at msg, and the whole crowd sings? i
mean really sings when you let us, like on g and ctf?

2) if you could play a concert with a singer or group who you have yet to team
up with, who would it be and why?

these might be lame, but it is the best i could come up with!

babs

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 00:25:48 edt
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ok, guys:
this is, i do believe, my first message to all you happy people (except, of
course, for my dear friends justin and arin, to whom i send my greatest
sympathies), and boy, am i excited. not only did i get the girls' set list in
my hot (literally) little hand, but my 2 pals and i fought the hordes of
greased people towards the main stage only to discover the overall goodness in
the majority of "fair-goers." ---seroiusly, i met some way awesome people and
encourage anyone to venture through the rough & tough, because it's not really
that at all. and besides---isn't it worth the risk to see the girls? plus,
it's more economical! anywho, the setlist is a thing to behold--the roadie who
gave it to me didn't seem to understand why i was so excited--it 's half a
piece of paper with a makeshift chart drawn to house the song lists, the light
cues, the guitars each of the angels play, who's where, and who else is
singing. in other words, if anyone has a question about the order or anything,
i can guarantee you the answers. ok------i'm becoming very long-winded, and
very tired, but still completely in shock and awe. who wouldn't be?

jules

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date: tue, 30 jun 1998 21:45:55 pdt
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great thread! it's probably stuff that's been asked before but here goes
lemme think:

two things...

when you're all alone in bed or maybe just in the dark, what do you
think about? the state of the world? your life? do you feel happy, sad?

how do you feel knowing you've touched so many lives of people you will
never meet? is it scary/annoying/hard to understand that they look up to
you and even put you on a pedistal?

and of course the runner up questions to amy would be:

how the heck do you make your songs so deep, religious and profound? do
you mean to do that? is it an accident? is it because you majored in
religion?
and last but not least, would you date a much younger woman?? *l* j/k!!!

lamia

who couldn't even talk when she was actually with the girls..

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 00:53:54 edt
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lucky u!

so i might be speaking for a few of us when i ask...

what are the chances u can scan the prize set list and send it to us so we can
share in your joy?

that is a cool story and i hope we can all behold this wonderful sheet!

babs

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 04:26:18 edt
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1) do your cats stay out all night killing rodents then leave the
     nasty bit they wont eat on the floor for you to step in in your bare
     feet in the morning then get in your bed and look so cute that
     you can't disturb them in order to make it and sleep all day?????

2)  i cut my thumb with a machette once and
     saw my finger bone, i had to have a bunch of stitches
     wanna see the scar ????

;)
claire e. poo esq.

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 06:34:13 -0400
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technically, i gotta go with melissa on this one.  according to the bible,
you are to give generously with a kind heart and keep your mouth shut about
how much you give.  well the bible doesn't say that exactly, but my years of
catholic schooling seem to have left that imprinted on my brain.  something
special about a quiet giver.

karen

melissa wrote:

> if we truly want to honor and help why must we seek a physical
> connection?
>
> there was a rabbi from (i believe) the 13th century who wrote of
> "tzedakah".  this can be translated as "charity" but a more accurate
> translation would be "acts of faith".
>
> the 2nd highest "act of faith" is when the giver and receiver remain
> anonymous.  the highest "act" would be to help someone get a job so that
> they might help themselves.
>
> much lower on the list would be where the giver & receiver know each
> other's identity.
>
> what is our purpose?  to help?  or to meet ig?
>
> melissa
> "who is going back to watching "invasion america"
>

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 06:47:51 -0400
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1. how do you guys know so much about my life? your songs all pertain
to something in my past or present, how do you do that?

2. can you come to lititz and play at my house for my birthday in
october? i promise good food, and no huge crowd. just a few close
friends on the deck in the woods.

love, karen

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 07:08:09 -0400
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my questions:

1) how would you describe the feeling you have when you look out on a
crowd of thousands and see people dancing, singing, and pretty much
getting inside your songs?

2) did you ever think you would have this massive of an impact on music as
we know it today in 1998 (or whatever year i asked)?

--audra

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"you cover me with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty of it
all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the way or
not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

*****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 08:52:50 -0500
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one thing i'm really gonna miss not hearing live is rockin' in
the free world with k's choice ... because k's choice won't be
playing at columbus lilith. that is one song i would *really*
love to hear live. :)

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 10:41:10 -0400
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hi.  i was planning on attending this concert and was wondering if anyone
knows much about the venue?  i can get tix in sec rrc, row d, seats
508-509.  are these good?  amy side or emily side?  does anyone have tix
that are better and want to get rid of them?  also, how far is this from
rochester?  i am travelling from toronto and am trying to get an idea of
how long it will take....  sorry for all the questions, but thanks in
advance for your replies.
tami

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awhile, give it one more try."
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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 10:49:58 edt
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what is dented cans?

thanx, celeste:)

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 08:19:40 -0700
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1. did you have any under-roos (sp?) when you were kids? (at some
point, i ask this of everyone i know...)

2. what is the air speed of a swallow?

:)
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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 12:13:36 edt
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yep...mine were wonder woman underoos. ;>

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my underroos were wonder woman, too!!! ah, the memories...
winona (feeling a little less powerful after outgrowing her ww underoos)

rhonda howell wrote:

> yep...mine were wonder woman underoos. ;>

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i was just enjoying blliy bragg, who was the guest on
"talk of the nation" today....then i realized that there
are a some folks on the list who might be interested.
(i became aware of bliiy bragg through this list.)

woody guthrie's family gave him guthries unfinished songs
to finish, it was pretty interesting...he will be
on npr's "anthem" this weekend and "talk of the nation"
is usually repeated (at least it is here on kuow).

check your local npr stations.
later !
:)
claire

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date: wed, 1 jul 1998 15:06:43 -0400
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if i was even remotely lucky enough to ask a&e anything i would:

1) ask them to teach me guitar

and

2) ask them if i could follow them around, catering to their every whim

(sigh) what a life!

~sarah~

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i love it when people recognize emily's talent!! yaaaaay!

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review/music lilith fair succeeds beyond the music

reuters
29-jun-98
by troy j. augusto

lilith fair (rose bowl; 40,000 capacity $39.50 top) pasadena, calif.
(variety) - mother nature couldn't have been kinder to the near-sellout
crowd gathered at the rose bowl saturday for the l.a. date of this year's
second lilith fair tour, the festival where females rule the day.

a bright sun and light breeze dominated afternoon sets from such standouts
as sinead o'connor and erykah badu, while cool evening winds and a setting,
orange-hued quarter moon nicely framed enjoyable turns from sarah mclachlan
-- the multiplatinum canadian singer who helped spearhead lilith -- and
natalie merchant, who turned in the surprise set of the day.

a gigantic stage in the middle of the bowl's playing field (it took 20
hours to assemble and 101/2 to break down) was decorated with artwork
depicting the angel-filled existence of lilith, the mythical character who
left the garden of eden to walk the earth looking for adventure.

she would have found plenty at the rose bowl. o'connor, once again sporting
a shaved head, was her fiery and provocative old irish self, quoting
cypress hill lyrics and giggling between her powerful songs of devotion and
strength.

badu, sporting her trademark white head wrap, drew some of the event's
loudest reaction, as she punctuated her brash set of cool r&b with
conversation about her newborn boy and other empowering anecdotes.
''three-hundred-sixty degrees of life, that's what i represent,'' she told
the enchanted throng.

mclachlan expanded little on her exquisite show in december at universal
amphitheater, except to demonstrate her increasing ability to touch the
souls of individuals in large settings. while she might not be able to hear
all of the shouts of ''i love you, sarah'' that greet her uplifting songs,
she clearly made the audience feel as is she was singing directly to them.

merchant -- the former 10,000 maniacs singer who could be seen before her
set under a white sun umbrella talking to fans -- was accidentally hit in
the mouth by a large bunch of sunflowers thrown by a fan early in her set.
''that hurt like hell,'' she said, ''but they are beautiful.'' the incident
seemed to energize the usually passive stage performer, whose 50-minute set
featured music from her new ''ophelia'' album.

the rocking hourlong set by indigo girls, while the sun went down, was the
all-star spot in the program. guests included actress ellen degeneres and
blues traveler's john popper, who blew some mean harp; and second-stage
musicians tara mclean and billie myers joined the band.

but it was emily salier's sharp guitar play, including a nifty acoustic
slide portion, that stole the set.

guys were in short supply in the audience; fights, thrown bottles, mosh
pits and bad vibes were altogether absent. instead, a good-natured,
celebratory mood that encouraged people to express themselves was the order
of the day, meaning this tour succeeds on levels beyond financial and
musical. also in contrast to many all-day affairs, very few people left
before the headliner performed. and though mclachlan's tender ballads might
have seemed a bit anticlimactic, it's safe to say few in the stadium felt
shortchanged in any way.

presented by universal concerts. performers: sarah mclachlan, natalie
merchant, erykah badu, indigo girls, shawn colvin, k's choice, billie
myers, lhasa, tara mclean, anna gasteyer, tia texada. reviewed june 28, 1998.
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okay, if i could ask the girls two questions (today), here is what i could
ask them. remember, this could easily change...

1. amy, will you marry me? (okay, i guess i am joking, even though it is
tempting...and at lilith at the meet and greet, i did write that on my
hand...and yelled it up to stage a few times...)

but seriously...

1. if you coukd each pick the one ig song that has the most meaning to
you, which one would it be?

2. wanna come over to my place and party with me? you can meet my
lizards, who are named after you (yes, i named my lizards (both female!)
amy and emily!). we can have a few beers and just kick back...

#2 would happen in my dreams...

:-) karen

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"the flesh is strong; my spirit's stronger."
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at 08:19 am 7/1/98 -0700, anna wrote:
>
>2. what is the air speed of a swallow?
>
would that be an african swallow or an english swallow?
kim

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does anyone have an web address for the group halcyon?

thanks

f26

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i need a seat (not lawn) for merriwether post either day. anyone have
an extra?

vicki

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actually melissa, i am not concerned with presenting the gift to emily herself
anymore... i am trying (and have been trying) to get in touch with sulli so i
can mail her the gift... i think it would be much better that way, opposed to
the charity just notifying her of the donation received in her name.  more
personal, more real.  maybe i am wrong here... but then again, these are just
my thoughts.  besides, we also have an artist on here making a card for her,
which i think is very thoughtful... so if we get it all together, i think
emily would appriciate  this more than just a call from atlanta youth pride or
whatever.  yea, you are right, at first i was a little excited about the
possibility of meeting emily, but it only took one day for me to realize how
difficult and impossible that would be.  not to mention, i dont really care
anymore... choose to believe me if you want, or to call me a liar.  that's
your thang.  hope this isnt stirring up all you flamers... sorry if i pissed
anyone off...

take care ~erin~

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> at 08:19 am 7/1/98 -0700, anna wrote:
> >
> >2. what is the air speed of a swallow?
> >
> would that be an african swallow or an english swallow?
> kim
>
fully laden?

jeni
jeni@sav-on.com
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253-756-7963 (fax)

hey...i was wondering...i saw an ad for vh-1's a-z video thing...do they
include ig in this?  will i be able to tape soy video?  ( i actually
have it...but...its got this entertainment tonight stuff on it or
something)
ok...thanks!!
love,
  ~carol~
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n- do i need
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this was posted to the ani list, rbr-fans:

<<hi. i'm hoping someone didn't already post this, but i just found this
letter in the spin that landed in my mailbox yesterday. it's the indigo
girls, refering to some quotes ani made in spin's top 40 artists thingy a
couple months ago..

we know ani difranco to be a person of laudable political depth and a
socially responsible ceo,  but we found her comment on the tradition of
political activism in folk music to be dismissive and incomplete.  we agree
that one cannot speak for a community that she or he doesn't come from, but
there is a vast difference between speaking for and working with a
disenfranchised group.  the folk community has long recognized the
interconnectedness of all struggle and oppression. true grassroots
community activism means that one can help support a community without
co-opting its identity of dictating the parameters of its movement.  too
often the mainstream music media undermine political action- either by
failing to give a story the coverage it deserves or by affecting the
flippancy or cynicism in order to justify their own apathy.

as for the "rumored" rolling thunder pussy revue tour, ani was involved in
some imaginative dialogue about the project. however, she is not a founder
or facilitator of it, and this tour is not meant to be an "anti-lilith
fair, anti-palooza thing."  its seeds were planted five years ago when
siouxsie sioux and ferron joined us on the road as musical guests.  various
jams and late-night poker games inspired us to start plotting a rock club
tour composed of women from diverse artistic persuasions.  we are in the
final planning stages for rolling thunder, which is slated for late august.
amy ray and emily saliers
indigo girls
decatur georgia

and here's the quotes they're referring to: (spin, may 98)
spin: how big a part does social awareness play in your definition of a
folksinger?
ani: politics are very important.  music that rises out of a given
community is much more likely to be in touch with the issues of that
community that is slick l.a., nashville, or new york industry hoo-ha.  i'm
very leery of people who tell stories far outside of themselves.  you know,
"i come from long island and i speak for the native americans," or "i come
from dayton and i speak for the rain forest."  roots, world music, original
rap/hip-hop-- those are all kinds of folk music. i know i'm going to get
slammed for saying that.

spin: what about that rolling thunder pussy revue you used to joke about
doing-- a sort of anti-lilith fair, anti-palooza thing?
ani: i'd love to get oumou sangare, this amazing west african
singer/violinist. and tribe 8, lucinda williams, salt-n-pepa-- they rock
so hard-- mary margaret o'hara, queen latifah. boy, now i'm pipe-dreaming.
we were talking about having a house band with different women fronting it.
can you imagine a revolving door on the mike, with me'shell ndegeocello on
bass, bonnie raitt on guitar, sheila e. on drums? fuck, i'd be creaming!>>

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                                  andrea lipman
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                just once i want to be a mystery"-catie curtis
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ok, i will be repetitive and generic for the first one:
1. please teach me to play guitar?

and for my next question...
2. if all the people in the list get together and do a performance of
jcs, would you come and do the starring roles?

winona (who knows that if she ever met the girls she would be rendered
speechless, so these questions really don't matter)

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hello all
i wonder if anyone on this kind list would send me an ig boot from
anyplace, anytime. i haven't got one single boot and living here in the
uk they're hard to come by. please email me privately if you can help.
i would be really grateful - listening to 1200 curfews and back on the
bus is great but i really need to expand my ig collection.
thanks everso

michelle deeprose

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>2. what is the air speed of a swallow?
>
would that be an african swallow or an english swallow?

i always thought that it was an african or european swallow.

sorry if i sound nit-picky -

smiles,
allison

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follow the lilith fair

  lilith fair is 1998's hottest concert tour, and it's
  right here on excite! as the official internet sponsor,
  we're traveling to over 30 concert venues across
  north america. get in the spirit!

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1) does this look infected to you?

2) what time is it?

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on wed, 1 jul 1998, allison hastings wrote:

> would that be an african swallow or an english swallow?
>
> i always thought that it was an african or european swallow.

you are correct. but african swallows aren't migratory!

ok, now that i've had the last word, we can stop this now, before
sherlyn, bless her soul, has to step in. ;)

help help! i'm being repressed!

darius

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hey does anyone know where i can get some info on jane?? i've searched
the net, but mostly i just find discographies of people she's played
with and it's very very very time-consuming to read all that...anyone
know if there's actually a page somewhere about her?

*hugs*
lamia

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i tried to think of some...but i guess i'm just not original....then i read
the rest of my mail....so now anything i say will be someone else's idea...so
i'm not gonna answer that question.....i'd prolly faint anyway:)

pax, celeste:)

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<< 1) ask them to teach me guitar

and

2) ask them if i could follow them around, catering to their every whim >>

out of all the suggestions from y'all, those would prolly be the ones i would
most likely ask if i was ever so lucky:0

pax, celeste:)

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at 04:19 pm 7/1/98 edt, carol ann wrote:
>hey...i was wondering...i saw an ad for vh-1's a-z video thing...do they
>include ig in this? will i be able to tape soy video? ( i actually
>have it...but...its got this entertainment tonight stuff on it or
>something)

i wondered the same thing last year; stayed up for what seemed
like three days waiting for them to get to the i's from the f's, but
i never caught any ig videos.  (that probably sounds silly, but
the thing i was thinking is:  "how many will they play from
groups who start with the letter f? the letter g? h?  when will
they start with the i's???!?!?!  when, god, when?!?  why, vh1,
must you do this to me?!!?")  it's just so unpredictable.  just when
you think they'll be moving on to the next letter of the alphabet,
here's another stinkin' video from some '80s band you tried to
forget ever existed.  it's torture, i tell you!  that's why this
year i'm spending the 4th of july weekend at the river- dividing
my time between cruising on a boat & sitting around at a cabin
drinking beer and watching a tv that doesn't even pick up vh1.

but, if any of you faithful fans decide to brave the sheer hell
that we know as vh1's a-z weekend & happen to pick up any ig
videos *other than* soy, do be a doll and let me know, k? i'll make
it worth your while, as i have lots to trade.

that's all from me for now. everyone please be safe this weekend, okay?
(amy & emily need for us to stay alive, you know....;)

leigh ann
(gearing up for a *big* weekend tubing on big bertha)
oh, god...i just realized that sounds a little *weird* to say the
least.  don't worry:  big bertha is the name of an innertube we'll
be riding on, pulled by the boat.  (i felt i should clarify that to
avoid the obligatory flameage.)  hope everyone has a fun 4th!
"no, kitty!!!  this is my pot pie!!!"   - eric cartman

...and the crusty old man said "i'll do what i can"
and the rest of the rats played maracas.
~phoebe, "crusty old man"

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hi folks,
in response to jill's nice post, i will post twice in two weeks (which,
believe it or not, jill, used to be an occurence rare only for its
scarcity).

my birthday is july 10th, and i think that you all know emily wants
me to be the charity. ;-) really. i'm a lesbian teaching
assistant/graduate student, who was not so long ago a youth, who doesn't
smoke, and who will need a house if another iowa storm rips through this
city. does that meet all of the criteria??

regarding melissa and karen's comments about anonymous gifts:
a. i'm neither jewish nor christian, and i don't think that i want various
religious rules regarding anonymity governing the list's gift. picky, but
true.

b. the list has a bad rep with amy and emily.  every year when we do
something like this, it gets a better rep.  i'm cool with that.  see, i'm
not one of the "throw yourself at them" types of fans.  i don't have any
rare boots or tickets, posters or autographs.  i completely respect their
*private* lives.  (but this is not to insult those of you who are more
into them than i am--i'm not saying i'm a superior being for my
detachment.)  anyway, i'm tired of them thinking the list is so dang
terrible, and i like it when we do good things and they know about it.

c. i like seeing recipients' faces when i give them gifts i *know* they
will appreciate. yup, it's probably not evolved, but i don't give a
flying fart. so it might be nice to hear how they react when we give them
a big ol' gift.

oddly enough, because of the news list, i believe the ig list has dipped
to lower numbers than the dar williams list! can you believe it, all you
dual listers?!

i would also like to note that i got critiqued today in my graduate
nonfiction writing workshop, and i didn't die!  hurray!  ;-)  as a matter
of fact, it was *helpful*.  oh, that's why writers do workshops!  now i
know.  and what better place to know it than iowa?  (i don't need an
answer to that question, okay?)

well, off to watch a royals/cardinals game. i'm torn! i'm from kc but i
love mark mcgwire! oh well, lots of pleasure either way.

luv,
suzi

p.s. those of you who were implying that youthpride and the glsen are
*exclusive* organizations which don't serve *everyone*, you're
technically right, though i imagine that everyone does know at least one
queer youth/adult who needs help.. but i'd like for some of those queer
kids to *live* long enough to need habitat houses, or to volunteer
building some. by the way, habitat volunteers, do you know how many
houses have been built for same-sex couples with children? just
wondering.

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hey y'all. if you do decide to donate money to youthpride in emily's name,
i would like to volunteer to collect the money and give it to the group
(since that's where i'm on my way to now!). sorry i sent this to the entire
list...i didn't know who to contact. thanks.
christy :)

"may the force of emily be with you :)"
carolyn turett

"i want nothing but quiet and an active brain."
virginia woolf

good god i'm actually gonna clog inboxes all over the world by
responding to this thread...

> if you could sit with the girls and ask 2 questions, what would
they
>be?

#1. i'd ask them to come to my house and make art and poetry with me
(i'd love to sculpt with them).

#2. "um, ms. ray, will you marry me?" ;)

jill

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just got back from spending a few weeks back at jersey. i got to work back
stage at the ig concert at appel farm. got to meet them again breifly and
talked to sulli for about a half hour or so.
i was wondering how do i get on the list in digest form. if someone could
help me out it would be greatly appreciated.
also i was wondering if anyone out there has an a sarah mclachlan boot of
exceptional sound quality that has acoustic versions of "do what you have to
do" and "angel" on them. i'd be willing to trade you an ig boot for it.
well, thanks again!
ben

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suzi wrote:
>b. the list has a bad rep with amy and emily...<snip>
>i'm tired of them thinking the list is so dang
>terrible...

now, i remember this being talked about way back when i first signed
on... but as i recall, the consensus was that they didn't have an
opinion either way about this here list. could you tell me/us a little
more about our bad rep?
thankeeee,
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hi folks-

the elections are over. thank you to all who helped to decide: to which
worthy charity we would collect contributions from members of this list
and then combine them and present them to that charity -- in emily's
name -- in honor of her 35th birthday. please remember that the primary
criterion in selecting the charity was to choose one which we believe
would mean the most to *emily*, not which charity would mean the most to
each of us, personally.

now, the money collecting begins -- erin <gitroop@aol.com> and jill
<jillyc@hotmail.com> will tell you how to donate, where to send it,
exactly how it will be presented (and to whom), etc. (*not* me -- my
part is all done!)

in part 1 "voting on em's bday gift"...

total votes cast in part 1 = 89. (12.5% of list voted)
(total list members = 712 - 2 days ago)

youthpride received the most votes with 51 (57.3% out of 6 choices)

nyac - national youth advocacy coalition *and* habitat for humanity
*tied* for second place at 12 votes each. (13.5% each)

in part 2 "em's bday vote 2-(divide?)"...

total votes cast in part 2 = 67 (9.4% of list voted)

"no - to contribute all donations to the winning choice"

= 54 votes (80.6%)

"yes - to divide the donations equally between the top two
choices (from the six choices) of part 1"

= 13 votes (19.4%)

**the em's bday charity list gift is youthpride (atlanta).**

please contribute as much as you reasonably can. remember how outraged
you felt when you found out that those 3 high schools had canceled ig's
concerts -- just because a&e are gay. think about how that might have
affected every gay and lesbian young person who heard about the
cancellations -- and what it meant to their sense of self-worth. then
remember the incredible dignity and pride with which amy & emily
responded...

okay, erin and jill -- your turn...! :o)

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the thing that popped into my mind was, emily probably knows that we did
this for amy on her birthday. a lot of people prefer emily's music, but
more people (it seems) are big amy fans. if we do make a donation that
emily for some reason never hears about (sure it's the thought that
counts) she might feel sort of bad thinking we made a donation for amy's
birthday but didn't do anything for hers. now of course we would've done
something for hers, she just may not know it..
just a thought...

*hugs*
lamia

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actually melissa, i am not concerned with presenting the gift to emily
herself
anymore... i am trying (and have been trying) to get in touch with sulli
so i
can mail her the gift... i think it would be much better that way,
opposed to
the charity just notifying her of the donation received in her name.
more
personal, more real.  maybe i am wrong here... but then again, these are
just
my thoughts.  besides, we also have an artist on here making a card for
her,
which i think is very thoughtful... so if we get it all together, i
think
emily would appriciate  this more than just a call from atlanta youth
pride or
whatever.  yea, you are right, at first i was a little excited about the
possibility of meeting emily, but it only took one day for me to realize
how
difficult and impossible that would be.  not to mention, i dont really
care
anymore... choose to believe me if you want, or to call me a liar.
that's
your thang.  hope this isnt stirring up all you flamers... sorry if i
pissed
anyone off...

take care ~erin~

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maybe i'm out of it, but...

#1) the news list?? how do i get on that?
#2) why does this list have a bad rep w/ the girls??

anyone, anyone?? ...
~jennifer

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this month marks an important ig anniversary.

it was 10 years ago this month that amy and emily
were signed to epic!!!!

does anyone out there have a good boot
of the palace show where melissa e.
does a guest turn?

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isn't halcyon an antiphyscotic drug???

r. fugitive26 d. wrote:

> does anyone have an web address for the group halcyon?
>
> thanks
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> f26
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i found this chat room for the ig. if anyone is intersted it is"

http://jupiter.beseen.com/chat/rooms/i/1595

just thought that we could discuss things while we are all online.

eddie

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i am also interested in hearing about the rep of this list. why don't
they think highly of it?
eddie

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folks,

jennifer said:
> maybe i'm out of it, but...
>
> #1) the news list?? how do i get on that?

you can find out about the news list by following the
instructions in today's list sig...

> #2) why does this list have a bad rep w/ the girls??

and the answer to this one's in the list faq. i'll quote
it below:

==
2.2. do amy and emily know about the list, and how do they feel about
it?

amy and emily do know about the mailing list; indications are that
they have mixed feelings about it.  when asked in a 1994 interview
how she felt about the list amy said, "well, there are positive parts
about that.  a lot of that internet stuff has helped a lot of
musicians that i know as far as publishing tour schedules.  the only
negative ramification i see is when people start talking about your
personal life... i appreciate the support it gives us, but... well,
it is not necessary to try and guess where somebody lives.  or guess
where you saw somebody the other night... but the support of the
music itself, i think that is a brilliant idea.  to support musicians
through the whole computer system i think is great."
==

you can read the faq at the address which, again, is listed in the
list sig...

gotta get back to work -
sherlyn
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you know you guys, we all want to do something special for emily. not
just because it was done for amy, but because they have touched our
hearts through their musical therapy/talent, and we want to say "thank
you"

now what i don't understand is how all of us "fine big hearted people"
can be so mean to each other (you know who you are) sure, some of us
aren't christians, or jews, or homeless or gay for that matter...what
the heck does it matter if we are fricking one eyed purple people
eaters? we all have the right to our own ideas, and for petes sake,
lets respect that.

so far as the list having a bad reputation with amy and emily, imagine
what they would think of us if they read every post. sure 90% of what
we say is postitive to each other, informative, exciting, but then we
have the few opinionated butt wips who seem to take great joy in ripping
anyone to shreds who dosen't conform to his/her idea of what is
correct. do you for one minute think that amy and emily would think
we were "wonderful loving fans" if perchance they read any of the flames
we through at each other?

now look, for crying out loud...if you want to give, give, if you don't
want to, don't. but for petes sake, stop knocking around everyone who
has a different idea than you do. imagine if we were all the
same..pretty boring world, eh?

i don't think that for one moment if i was the recipient of this
charitable donation knowing how some of the listees berated other
listees for having an opinion, well, damn. it just wouldn't mean that
much to me. lets do this with a sense of harmony and peace.

karen <---climbing off her soap box

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hey, you know its only nine day's away!  i gotta drive 2.5 hours, wow,
longest trip to see the girls yet.  have we decided on a tailgate party
yet?  i never got any responses about that!

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hi y'all.....

i have 2 tickets to the pnc arts center lilith fair.... they are terrace
center seats....
they are 55 each... which is what i payed for them....   i do happen to have 4
if anyone is interested and needs a total of 4....    just email me privately
if anyone is interested so that we can make arrangements.   the show is sold
out and i'd hate for these tickets to go to waste.

thanks y'all .... have an indigo night !!!

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hey y'all,

i have been pretty good about keeping my mouth shut about em's b-day gift,
but here is my opinion.  i thinkdon't think that erin and jill are being
too obsessive about handing it to her in person.  in fact, i think that it
is great that they took the responsibility to get the gift to em.  as we
all know, it is hard to get anything to the indigo girls, and i seeboth of
them as working hard for the good of the list. i think that it is very
important that our gift not be anonymous.  i don't think it is
self-glorifying to be able to say "well, the list that i am on gave emily
saliers a b-day gift."i think that it is important for em to know who it
is from.  weall love the girls, and i don't think he fact that we give
them birthday gifts is creepy or obsessive.

that's all i have to say about that...

now for my 2 cents on the dar list...why are the #'s larger on there than
they are here? hummmm...i wonder. i love dar (not nearly as much as i
love the girls, but i doreally like her), and i was on her list for a
while, and i didn't enjoy it nearly as much as i like the ig list... also,
it seems that ig have a lot more fans. whoever posted that just surprised
me, that's all...

finally, jill...so, we both wanna marry amy! i guess we'll have to fight
for her ;-) (heheh...and if you come to visit us in san francisco, we can
brawl over her for as long as we want!)

love,
karen :-)

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hey i think it would be wicked fun to meet up and tailgate! :o) im
not sure what time ill get there - i have to drive about 4 hours or so
and i cant get on the road til about noon or one...ucky. but im for
meeting in the parking lot b4 the show - and then charging up to the
front to get kickass seats!

how bout the rest of yall? what ya think?
take it easy -
sunny

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> hey, you know its only nine day's away! i gotta drive 2.5 hours, wow,
> longest trip to see the girls yet. have we decided on a tailgate
party
> yet? i never got any responses about that!
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ok two questions...*ahem*
(ive been doing some thinking...heres what i came up with...*wink*)

1) can i be your bus driver? navigator? secretary? interpreter?
personal assistant? etc...

2) can i buy you a few beers? play some darts w you (both)? can we
just sit down and talk???

(ok it may appear as though ive come up with more than 2
questions...but in my second question - i mean a few beers would lead
to darts and that would lead to some good laughs and meaningful
conversation...and maybe they'd play me some tunes while we're hanging
out...im convinced we'd have a kickass time!) *grin*

take it easy -
sunny

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you know... it's way past my bedtime, i mean way past, but i was taping
ig on cnn for chloe and while i was giggling about emily goofing around
and staring off into space and all that fun stuff i noticed the amy and
emily swapped spots. *blink* what does that mean?

is this some message to us? what is the world coming to that would make
them stand on the wrong sides of each other while performing for us
their beloved fans? oy!

okay, really. just thought it was a little weird that they weren't in
their usualy positions. i'm tired. going to bed. probably should have
done it before sending this. :)

peace,
amy

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alrighty folks... the results are up... and in case you were delete happy,
atlanta youth pride was chosen as the lucky charity this year.  and like it
has been said bfore, this is for emily, not you and i... b/c honestly, i voted
for habitat for humanity, but hey, youth pride won, so i am all for it.  and
thank you to everyone who voted out there.  thanks for expressing your opinion
in a good way... see, if we work together, then all things will come
together... we are all on this list for one purpose... to express our
appriciation to each other about the girls... that's what it really comes down
to.

ok... so now about the donations.  as you all know, or will know now, jill and
i have not yet figured out exactly how we will get the gift to emily.  there
are several options, and whether it is mailed to sulli, the charity, her home,
or even presented during a concert, it will get there...  no worries about
that.  now.  rena (the woman!) is still planning on making a card for her, and
so far her ideas kick ass!  so one way or another, everyones names will be
signed to the card, and she is going to personally recieve it.. if nothing
else.  (meaning if we have to mail the gift to the charity....

ok folks, so when you are considering donating, remember everything the indigo
girls have ever done for you... this is your chance.  your chance to pay them
back... and so what if we cant say thank you in person?  there are other
ways... and this is one of them.  so just remember that.  and take into
consideration this:  even if you can only scrap up 4 quarters, hey, it's
better than that person who didnt bother mailing anything. but then again, if
you cant spare it, i am sure she'll understand :) thanks again for everyones
cooperation, and i apologize if i have done anything to offend anyone...  just
trying to do what i think is best.  :)

you can mail the checks to this address:

erin tripp
2907 carrington dr. sw
decatur, al 35603

my phone # is 256 351 1271
my email addy is gi troop@aol.com

~ please make checks payable to:

youthpride atlanta
p.o. box 15448
atlanta, ga 30333

~now, make sure to include a note saying your name, address, and who the
donation is in the name of.

*and dont forget to put emily saliers bday on the subject line!!!

alrighty folks, this should do it for now... hope that covers most
everything... if you have any questions, dont hesitate to ask! or hell call,
i wont mind :)

have an indiglowing thursday all!

erin tripp

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hey everyone. some people were wondering who the opening act wil be for ig
at those shows. well, i was just checking out the michelle malone sight,
and her tourdates list her as doing those shows with ig. i hope eveyone
has a great time at those shows. i'll just be sitting at home counting off
the days until i get to see mm live for my first time at newport. later
all.
rb

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erin-

i wish i could be more help to you on your search for sulli, but i do
remember that she posted something to the list a while back from a
friends email address. i could swear that i saved it and i know i did,
but after searching my hard drive and ig disks of saved messages i just
can't find it. i would bet someone else on the list has it.

if amyone has it please email to erin private-like.

paulal

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hey. i jumped the gun before the final vote was decided and told my group
at yp what was going on with the list and the donations. they cheered and
smiled and clapped!!! i felt so proud and happy to be a part of this list.
y'all are going to make some proud gay youth very happy! thank you in advance.
christy :)

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virginia woolf

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indigo girls at dickenson college in carlisle, pa
april 26th, 1998 tape length: 100 min

quality: average, but complete and possibly the only recording to survive the
monsoon-like april shower with which we were blessed that lovely evening...

setlist:

a                         b
shame on you              chickenman
least comp.               virginia woolf
nashville                 i don't wanna know
get out the map           cut it out/wish you were here
shed your skin            galileo
power of two              ghost
renunion                  gone again
love's recovery           closer to fine
world falls
it's alright

birthday month/branch

jan,feb,mar: karenfrey@redrose.net (karen)

apr,may,june: pbethany@hotmail.com (bethany)

july,aug,sept: jofarn@frontiernet.net (heather)

oct,nov,dec: hunterj1@aol.com (jude)

overflow: marivel@umich.edu
(also anyone who happens to come upon this post after july 15th can contact me
to dub at the above overflow address)

painfully obvious instructions: if you want a copy of this boot e-mail the
branch listed next to your birthday month.  arrange a trade or blank/sase
exchange and they will provide you with pertinent info.  branches have not yet
received their tapes, but everything is in the mail as of 2 days ago, so they
should arrive before your sases (although some of y'all amaze me with your
"postal quickness").  sorry for the delay.  take care...

marivel    "you taste just like
                i thought you would
                      you feel alright by me
                            it's been a while for me you know
                                    but i'm willing to let things
                                             just be..."  -brenda weiler

ok ya'll two quick things:

#1. i'm trying to start a page that lists all the homepages to the
people on this list! i know there's already a boot page but i thought
it'd be cool to have a page for homepages! if you want to check it out
(no one's really part of it yet) the addy is:
http://members.tripod.com/~squeekyfromme/listlinks.html

please send me your addy and be a part of it!! :) all you have to do is
add a cool banner to your page!

#2. since i didn't want to torture the list telling them how wonderful
my first lilith experience was, you can read about it/see it here:
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/village/6512/lilith98.html

there are pics from the days i was there that i borrowed from the lilith
site, but the ones i took haven't been developed yet!

thanks ya'll

*hugs*

lamia

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hey folks,

found this on the newsgroup... note i don't know anything
about these people, so buyer beware...

sherlyn
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sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au [sydney, australia]
"this is the song that we are always just this side of singing..."
- peter mulvey

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date: 2 jul 1998 05:53:25 gmt
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newsgroups: alt.music.indigo-girls

hi :)
i have the following indigo girls promo posters for sale, shipping is extra.

1. promo color shot blue backround, w/ lilith fair dates on bottom. 30x24
i have 2 in perfect condition, selling for 20 bucks

2. promo 36x24 front:color shot on bottom says "shaming of the sun"
back: b&w shot w/ a short album review on the top
i have 2 in perfect condition, selling for 25 bucks

please email me if you are interested or have any questions.
thanks,
liz :)

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talk of the nation is also archived on the web at http://www.npr.org/ follow
the link to the totn show page and listen the day after a broadcast.

useless trivia:
- john hockenberry (disabled writer extrodiare) was the first host of npr,
now he's with nbc.

- i was right behind nora guthrie during one of the sets at guinness fleadh
- i think it was patti smith...

the new billy bragg/wilco album kicks butt and i highly recommend it.

getting ready to finish the month long training his job requires.....
mike r.

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hkf,

could some kind soul please send me privately a copy of the tree that
marivel just posted. i don't remember what show it was, but it was posted
yesterday 7/1, i think.

thanks. :)
kelly "i thought i saved that!" fairbairn

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well, the day began at 7 am with driving rain storms and over 2 inches
of rain. then the goddess knew it was time to live, dance, sing and
enjoy.....clear skies, bright sun and cool breeze. i haven't gotten the
set lists done yet, got home at 4am , but i will and post. i got a boot
of the whole concert, need to check it first.
ig opened with chickenman. great. for several songs had guest help,
n-dea davenport...wonderful...sister 7, martina mcbride...who looked
fabulous. having had a baby 2 months ago(oh looked good)..sinaed
o'connor, natalie and sara, me'shell as well. for the mtg, ctf and a
couple others. i was two bodies back from th efence.hopefully the film
turns out. when the sun was sinking just behind the stadium walls they
sang.....gotm....wonderful, great...
amy looked great...having a lot of fun. and emily...she was playing
around before their set on the structure bars. i was about 25 feet away
while they waited to go on after sinaed. them hanging on th ebars,
stretching out...playing with the beach balls...was great...my mariah is
gonna fill me for not having her there..oh well
the whole day was an experience.started at 3 or so with third stage acts
and went till after 11..well worth the money, wait, lines and the
sunburn.....
okay...i'll stop rambling now......but oh..the fun. you should have seen
natalie who was under the weather...she danced and swung her hair
around, ran back and forth sounded really great 'save a few rough
spots...if she was ill, i don't think i could bare to watch her on a
great day do what she did....enough i will stop now......sparkie...still
grinning....

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just a humorous note...the goddess she is powerful .....here in tulsa it
is storming once again..grey skies, rain and wind..thunder and
lightening....i guess the upper residents like the girls and lilith as
well....parted the storms for a beautiful day. but sitting here
thinking....listening to the blue sys and lilith promo..new
musicsampler...the day is still as beautiful as yesterday,.....just not
as many visual distractions......sparkie

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last call for two tickets to the columbus lilith fair!
my office mate is really wanting to find someone to use these tickets,
and she's willing to send them overnight if necessary. interested?
send an email to her (not me) yateskj@jmu.edu.

anna

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hello all! i'm delurking because i have an extra copy of the blue sys
promo and was wondering if anyone had the red promo or the dance mix that
they would like to trade for the blue one. if no one is interested in
trading i'll offer it up to the list in a couple of days:)

peace,

lin

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hey y'all....since i'm going to be doing taping (and am doing taping),
you all should know that postage for one cassette is 1.01. i'm not
cheap, but please send the correct amount of postage!

just sent off a red/blue copy that was short .37 in postage, and at that
rate, i'll be broke in no time!

: )

karen

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weird...i weighed one cassette here at work (i work in the mayor's office)
and it was only .78
*ponders*
--audra

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just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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all packed up and ready to go, our postal meter here at work says 1.01...that's
2 in a row : )

i am 32 flavors and then some... wrote:

> weird...i weighed one cassette here at work (i work in the mayor's office)
> and it was only .78
> *ponders*
> --audra
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> "you cover me with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty of it
> all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the way or
> not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"
>
> *****
>
> "just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
> just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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> all packed up and ready to go, our postal meter here at work says 1.01...
> that's 2 in a row : )

it depends on the size of the padded mailing bag, too, i think...i've mailed a
cassette in a "cassette-sized" (really small) padded bag and only had
to pay $.78 in postage, and then i've used the standard small padded
bag (sorry, don't know the dimensions) and had to pay $1.01. oh, well...

peace, love, and naked puppets,
ponygrrrl

hi folks,

big river specializes in playing grateful dead songs and will appearing
at :

the lizard lounge (downtown atlanta) sat. august 7th
for information please call : (770) 769 - 9126

and

at jp's in valdosta on weds. august 26th
all you care to drink with a $7 cover from 11pm to 1am
band starts at midnight
>from atlanta take 75 south to exit 5. make a left at the top of ramp.
then a left (second light) onto norman dr. jp's will be about a half mile
on the right. for info. call : (770) 966 -7956

feel free to visit our site at :
www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/stadium/2883

have a grateful day,

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hey folks--just wanted to bid a final adieu to the list as i am heading off
to minneapolis to do the aids ride this weekend.  i want to send a final
thanks to all those on the list who contributed.  i greatly appreciate all
the help and support i have received.  i raised $4,400 total and that is
truly amazing to me.    from the list alone i raised $610.  that is quite
an impressive number considering i have never even met most of you.  thanks
again for helping and wish me luck as i venture on the experience of a
lifetime.  my knees may disagree with me but this is going to be a great
time.  talk to y'all in a week and a half.

greg

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hey y'all,

  well, i had a blast at the show.  got in line about 10 am and got a great
space about 20 feet in front of the sound booth (best place for a boot).
but they had something like 20,000 people at the show, half of which
couldn't see or hear.  temperature was 102 degrees with only one water
faucet to fill up your jug.  hundreds of people waited in line for hours
just for water.  the whole area wasn't much wider than the stage itself and
the concession tents took up a lot of wasted space considering they ran out
of beer at 5:30 and food about 8.  people are pissed and bitching here in
town.  luckily, nobody died.
     ticketmaster is giving full refunds to anyone with a ticket stub who
fills out a form stating why they are unhappy.  don't know who's pockets
the refund is coming out of.  i was happy, but i'm one of maybe 2,500
people who could see and hear.  bet they never come here again.  major
bummer.
   somebody said they pushed their way up to the front and people were
friendly.  nobody was friendly around me.  i saw security pulling people
off blankets.  people would get up for water and somebody would push their
way up to the front and sit on their blanket and not leave.  they'd get
security to make them move.  people were hot and bitchy.  not to mention
the smell of manure on the grounds.
   i ain't complaining.  this was actually a nice concert going experience
for me.  buy not everyone is as lucky as i seem to be.

--sunny

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what do you put in there grrl????  i have one cassette and a piece of
paper.....78 cents...i just did it again on our scale here.  i mean do you
use bubble packaging or what?  that just baffles me.

-audra

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in a message dated 98-07-02 14:41:44 edt, sunny writes:

<< somebody said they pushed their way up to the front and people were
 friendly. nobody was friendly around me. i saw security pulling people
 off blankets. people would get up for water and somebody would push their
 way up to the front and sit on their blanket and not leave. they'd get
 security to make them move. people were hot and bitchy. >>

now that sounds more like my experience at large crowd
capacity concerts.
or any general admission concerts i've been to... things are cool
until it get's close to showtime.....orrrr ig's set ... hmmmmm...
it got pretty testy at the gorge lilith, security had to
step in there too...we decided not to risk seeing the second
stages because the likelyhood of coming back to find your
spot taken was too high.
but i must say the nm show sounds like a nightmare.
i bet someone gets fired for that...or worse...
:)
claire

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i just want to say thank you to everyoe who was kind enough to send me
the lyrics to j & e. i definitely like the song better now that i know
what is being sung. thanks again
eddie

ok..i traded with this non-list guy for 2 indigo girls boots..i thought
it was getting to ig back but actually he sent an ig and a dan
fogelberg...ok i'm dumb..i know the girls cover a couple of his songs
but...who is he????????

*hugs*
lamia

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so what's up with this refund thing? does that mean that the $1 per ticket
for lillith charity goes away too?!

i must confess that i was one of the pissy people with the ones pushing to the
front. tim was the level headed one that day -- good thing one of us was! :)

peace,
lisa j.

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ok, this is prolly blasphemy to most on the list. too bad, so sad... as i
drove home from work today this thought occurred to me: it'd be funny to hear
weird al yankovic parody an ig song. as long as it wasn't mean spirited to
the girls -- i'd love to hear it! :)

am i a goof or what?!?

peace,
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on thu, 2 jul 1998, adia difranco wrote:

> ok..i traded with this non-list guy for 2 indigo girls boots..i thought
> it was getting to ig back but actually he sent an ig and a dan
> fogelberg...ok i'm dumb..i know the girls cover a couple of his songs
> but...who is he????????

   back in the middle-late 70's, there were some folks who wrote really
cheesy acoustic love songs, combining the catchiness of the
newly-found guitar "riff" with weepy sob lovey-dovey lyrics that would
shame barbara streisand, and soprano male voices a la the eagles' witchy
woman.  most of them were gawd-awful -- the celine dions of the 70s, if
you will -- my father loves the stuff.
   the most notable, and arguably the best (because he was actually good)
was james taylor.  bread and jim croce deserve a mention, because they
have some wonderful songs (no, not "you don't mess around with jim"!).
dan fogelburg isn't painful to listen to, but his music has as much edge
as, say...a tennis ball.  pleasant stuff, but it never really said
anything, nor was it musically anything to spit at, so i got bored with
it.
   ooops.  another person who deserves lots and lots and lots of mention
who sometimes falls into this category is harry chapin.  he had a very
undeveloped, new york-y voice, but it was nice in its own way -- and he's
probably one of the best songwriters of the era -- penning the hit "cats
in the cradle", and a bunch of other songs which are gorgeous.  "a better
place to be", "taxi", and "mr. tanner" are things to look for.
   how's that for a pop music history lesson?  ;)

darius

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sorry folks, you are all right... my mistake. i forgot to include that nice
little deadline.

ok. so at this point, i am going to say, let's try to have them all in by
july 13th... that gives us all 11 days to get rolling, and also plenty of time
for me to send them in to yp.

ok. it was mentioned that it would be easier to just mail them directly to
the charity, and maybe it would have been, but i am sorry to regret that i
have already had some folks mail theirs in. maybe another mistake by me, so
if it bothers anyone to mail it to me first, then we can work something out.
hey, im easy :)

hope you all had a booo tiful day!

later, erin

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pam in tx...i just got the lovely amy mix tape in the mail
today...*pantpant* and it has a bunch of stuff i have never heard before
so i'm in heaven...thank you sooooooooooooo much!!!! *hugs the stereo
speaker* :)

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ok, i think we all have been guilty of having wierd thoughts like yours,
lisa...but that one takes the cake!!! i'm laughing out loud here just thinking
about it! (and i am at work still!) i can't think of any one song, but it would
sure be funny...i'd love to see the video...

hey lisa j., thanks for the amusing thought to carry me through my long weekend!
winona (going to the taste of chicago and seeing the bodeans for free on
saturday!)

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i think that this thread was on here awhile ago...maybe some of the old
timer listees would oblige and dig up their parodies...
peace,
sharoane

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just wanted to wish y'all a safe and happy 4th!
winona (looking forward to her 3-day weekend!)

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anyone who has never heard of annie rapid and her tunage should trek to
the nearest borders or b&n and check out her album "roses and ash". she
is fantastic...has many qualities reminiscent of joni mitchell, joan
baez, and the goddess mary travers!

go, my friends, go!!

peace and off for a weekend of fun and family-
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that would rock! i'd definately buy it *giggle*

*hugs*

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ok, clan:
yes, i'm the one with the set list from nm, and yes, i'm getting good ol'
justin to scan it for the list for you guys....just some fyi....
even so, that concert experience was a bit ridiculous. i agree, i too
was very lucky that i found some shade behind a booth wedged in a corner for
half of the concert, but i compromised (big time) my view of the stage and
couldn't leave the area i was in afraid i'd get malled. finally, i got brave
and my 2 pals and i walked over heat exhausted people and their blankets and
pushed and shoved our way to the sound booth only to end up standing beside 2
ladies and their 13 yr old daughter, all completely stoned (sad) . i could see
and hear just fine from where i was, but the thought of moving scared us
sh*tless. you couldn't even get to the bathrooms or to the water or to the
food or to a security guard--but luckily, as i've mentioned before, the people
standing around us were terribly nice and giving--this one girl offered us her
water and a peach--but i know not everyone was. i think the refund thing is
quite appropriate. and now, i'm off my soapbox----ya'll take care.

julie

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in a message dated 7/2/98 4:55:31 pm central daylight time, sharoane@ime.net
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man! i thought i's come up with something original!!! :) maybe some day!
peace,
lisa j.

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ok folks, in case of any confusion, here are the details again.

on the memo line, make sure you write: emily saliers birthday
address the check to:
youthpride atlanta
p.o. box 15448
atlanta, ga 30333

mail it to:

erin tripp
2907 carrington dr. sw
decatur, al 35603

make sure to include a note with who the donation is to, (yes, separate from
the memo line), and your full name and address.

if you have any questions, just email me at gi troop@aol.com

or, if you want, feel free to call:
256 351 1271

have a safe and wonderful weekend!

erin t.

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>i think the refund thing is
>quite appropriate. and now, i'm off my soapbox----ya'll take care.
>
>julie

i realize most of you have had enjoyable lilith experiences, and hearing us
go on about our sorrow is likely to be tiresome.

but...

after extensive internet research, i have yet to find how one would go
about acquiring these alleged "refunds".

i have browsed ticketmaster, the albuquerque journal web site, and lilith
fair to no avail. if anyone stumbles across the procedure involved, i
would be greatly appreciative.

mood getting better by the day,
j u s t i n

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i went to the post office, and i was told by a few workers that postage
was .78 per tape...ive gooten many, and sent many, only using that
amopunt, and ive never had any problems..so t think over a dolllar is a
bit much..ask your mailperson first!

with love, and all things indigo

                                always,
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hey all...
here's the deal: the rate to send a cassette tape 1st class (in any envelope,
i'm pretty sure) is $1.01.

the rate for sending a cassette 4th class (otherwise known as "the book rate")
is .78. technically, if you use the 4th class method, you should write
"4th class rate" or "book rate" on the outside of the envelope. (the post
office
would stamp it with some message to that effect if you were to physically
take it in & mail it from their counter.)

hope this helps,

leigh ann

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and the rest of the rats played maracas.
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but here's another deal *grins* we always have our scale at work set for
first class (we're government, we hafta be kewl like that *heh*) and i put
one of my tapes in an envelope today and a piece of paper that i usually
write notes on and stuck it on the scale...78 cents. so i dunno where the
discrepancy is.

plus i just got a boot today that i sent out with 78 cents return postage,
and it got here fine.

dunno.

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hey! i have an extra red sys. wanna trade? let me know...i will get
back to you on monday (i'm leaving for a few days)
later,
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sherlyn--
why are my messages coming to my inbox with
<owner-indigo-girls@netspace.org>
as the sender, when *i* am the one sending them???

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for those interested, julie will be playing a one time only gig on
saturday, july 4 at eddie's attic with anne and anne, formerly of the paper
dolls. you older folks will remember the paper dolls from the days when
our girls were coming up in decatur.
julie and the annes are doing a set between 2 sets by gracie and the
slipcovers(seen at atlanta pride). both bands are a treat.
just an fyi for you julie fans.
i'm not sure of start times, you can always call eddie's!!
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hey folks-

the election ended more than 24 hours ago...

*please* *please* *please* -- stop voting!!!!!

<sigh>

youthpride won.

thank you and have a great weekend!

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i think we should stick to one place to donate to.

hey everybody--
just wanted to add to erin's post:
you can send your donations to erin
(>erin tripp
>2907 carrington dr. sw
>decatur, al 35603)

or... you can send the checks to me, you choose! :)
jill certo
5421 whitehaven ave.
north olmsted, oh 44070
email: jillyc@hotmail.com
email me if you need the phone number... i'm paranoid like that.;)

remember to make the checks out to
youthpride atlanta
p.o. box 15448
atlanta, ga 30333
and note somewhere on the check that the donation is to be made in the
name of emily saliers, for her birthday.

and make sure you also send me your full name as you would like it to
appear on the card, email addy, home addy, shoe size, kisses, cookies,
whatever else you deem necessary...

okieee,
email should any problems/questions/comments/flames on my
self-centeredness/etc. arise.
jill

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just wondering,
which day is michelle malone playing at newport-- sat. or sun?

jill

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erin wrote:
>ok. it was mentioned that it would be easier to just mail them
directly to
>the charity, and maybe it would have been

yes, but if you send it directly to the charity, be sure and tell us
your name as you'd like it to appear on the card, your email addy, your
hometown, and the amount you've sent (or maybe not that last one, i
dunno...?)so that we can include you on the card.
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ok...i am a bit confused. when i write my check out, i have to write alllll
that (youth pride..1234 such and such lane...city, state zip all on the "pay
to the order of" line??
sorry, i should probably stop drinking beer now, eh??
~jennifer

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date: thu, 2 jul 1998 21:22:31 -0600
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at 05:49 pm 7/2/98 -0400, sharoane wrote:
>i think that this thread was on here awhile ago...maybe some of the old
>timer listees would oblige and dig up their parodies...
better yet, visit listee, anna c's website wherein most of the listee gems
are contained:-)
http://narnia.emu/pub/students/creechal/parodies.htm
'tis a fun read:-)
peace all... kim ( in the middle of custody disputes... aggghhhh!!!)
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date: thu, 2 jul 1998 21:04:50 -0400
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ok kids what are we talking here 23 whole cents!!! time to get over
it-if you need that extra quarter i will send it to you-back to the
girls!!

sorry if this has already been discussed on the list.... i'm a new
member. what is the difference (other than color) in the red and blue
promos? i also have an extra blue promo if anyone wants to trade a red.

thanks,
karen

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date: fri, 3 jul 1998 00:02:01 edt
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hi y'all....

as the folks on this list have extraordinarily good taste in music, i thought
i'd take the opportunity to mention a landmark weekend here in buffalo....
nietzsche's is a landmark club in this area....ani got her start there, as
well as many others....

this weekend is a very special one....two nights of music featuring female
performers....  friday's show, entitled nice girls don't.... (9:30pm start)
features six great singer-songwriters, plus the great acoustic rock duo
anatara....  on saturday night (11pm) buffalo's largest all-woman rock band,
and sometimes y, takes the stage....  nietzsche's is at 248 allen st in
buffalo's allentown section....

a brief introduction to the performers:

aerin tedesco is one of the best of a sizeable crop of young women songwriters
performing in the area....her trademark 4-string tenor guitar gives her music
a very unique quality.... she has three independent cassette releases to her
credit....

leah zicari is a veteran performer with a great stage presence and impeccable
material....her finely crafted songs incorporate warmth and humor in addition
to the passion that all the performers share in common.... her rhythm section
(drums and electric bass) augments her songs nicely....

tina crapsi....she's italian, she's from buffalo, and she's got an
attitude....sounds familiar????  well, despite the inevitable ani comparisons,
she's very much her own person....  her songs range from pop melodies with a
lyrical twist to newer, more bluesy material....  she has one self-produced
cassette release to her credit and is currently working on her second....

paddy kilrain is a bundle of nervous energy with a perpetual smile and an
infectious good humor.... her songs are guaranteed to rock the house....(her
cookie nutty song provided the theme for the show....) a native of the
albany/schenectady area, she has recorded one self-produced cassette and one
full-length cd....

katie miller is a wonderful songwriter with an extremely expressive voice and
intensely personal lyrics....a captivating performer with a great stage
presence and a very unique playing style.... her song "except around the
eyes" was one of the standout tracks on the local "no illusions" compilation
cd, which also featured leah zicari on another memorable cut....

anatara is an extremely popular duo with a large devoted following, great
songwriting, beautiful harmonies, and extremely intense performances....their
eponymous cd is one of the best-selling local cds ever.... visit their web
site @ www.members.aol.com/wny-women/anatara/anatara.htm

lea (prentiss) is the youngest performer of the group, but she has already
gathered accolades for the quality of her voice and her lyrical content....her
songs feature "very gritty, realistic lyrics on relationships current and
ended", in the words of one respected local music critic....

and sometimes y is a seven-piece all-women band featuring three vocalists,
plus guitar, bass, keyboards and drums.....currently one of buffalo's most
popular bands and for good reason.... great stage presence, outstanding
musicianship and cohesiveness, and great song selection are the magic
recipe....

i'm proud to consider all these performers as close personal friends....

oh yeah, the guy doing the introductions and playing lead guitar at various
points during the friday show (and the organizer of the show) is the same one
that wrote this message...

peace & harmony,
tim

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agggh!!! i wrote that the url for anna creech's website ( chartreuce girls )
where a whole mess o' past parodies by long time listees are displayed in
all their ridiculously sublime glory for all and sundry to see, was at:
http://narnia.emu/pub/students/creechal/parodies.htm, when the correct addy is:
http://narnia.emu.edu/pub/students/creechal/parodies.htm
geez... one lousy visit to the womyn's advocate regarding child custody etc
etc etc and my head is all befuddled... gawd help me in court, should such a
thing occur...
peace all, kim
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just thought i'd share this lovely and humorous letter i recieved today,
name withheld of course:

i am offended my dear girl!  i do understand that you are into that
whole righteous babe thing, we all are, but consider this.  she started
up her own record company...no not ani.  she has been around for over
ten years... no not emily sears.  she believes in herself and all other
woman surrounding her...  no not tori.  she is extremely well known...no
not fionna.  and she can dance... yes madonna.  she is more woman than
you are.  she is just as much of a righteous babe as ani.  otherwise i
love your page

i can only assume emily sears is supposed to be emily saliers? *l*..
very odd because i don't ever recall insulting madonna on my page.. i'm
one of those closet fans who has at least 2 of her cds..*b*
odd the people that find me here in cyberspace...

*hugs*

lamia
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i'm only freaking out
and i wonder what it's all about
to close my eyes and finally see
a piece of paradise in me..."
--k's choice

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date: thu, 2 jul 1998 23:37:20 -0600
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okay... so never mind about the chartreuce girls page <sniffle> i was there
only a few weeks back, showing the silly stuff to my gf... but as lynda hath
informed me... she don' exist no more.... <heavy sighs + wringing of hands>
i haz given any who paid attention a terribly bum steer... sorry all... and
anna!!! what happened??? you'd done such a nice job o' settin the site up...
<pouty lip>
peace all, a slightly saddened kim.
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hello all,
my husband and i are going to see the b-52's on saturday at lakewood
here in atlanta. just curious, two quick questions:

1. is sara lee on tour with the b-52's right now?
2. has anyone seen the b-52's on their current tour and how was the show?

okay, so maybe 2 1/2 questions there. please respond to me via private
email. thanks in advance for the input!

smiles,
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hi all, i've missed this list! my email's been down for about a month. the first time i saw ig was in st. louis i think one day before emily's birthday. there were many people giving her gifts and i remember when emily sang "i was born under the sign of cancer..." the crowd went absolutely nuts!!!

a friend and i were watching the london concert that was on the disney channel a few years ago. we were talking as we were watching. is it just me, or was this an occasion where emily especially shone brightly???!!! i am just in awe of her! i notice that usually, amy's the one in the spotlight, but at this show, it seemed em had more cameras on her. now, i'm not sure if she was especially great in this show or it was a rare occasion that the cameras caught more of her than usual. also, did anyone else ever notice the "special raport" emily had going on with a couple people in the first row during the whole show? there were a lot of facial gestures, smiles, and "eye things" going on! just thought i'd share that emily seems really intense (more than normal) all through the show...since we are highlighting em because of her birthday and all. anyone else have thoughts?

also, a friend of mine taped that london show for me on some old tape that was used over and over. the picture is fuzzy and sound quality sucks. anyone have a decent taping that they'd be willing to get me a copy. i'll trade boots or blank tape/postage...whatever.

to r. wicker--got the postcards. they are great! thanks so much sweetie.

so happy to be back!!

toye

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date: fri, 3 jul 1998 11:01:19 +0500
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>also, did anyone else ever notice the "special raport" emily had going on
>with a >couple people in the first row during the whole show? there were
>a lot of facial >gestures, smiles, and "eye things" going on!

observant aren't you :)

i was one of the front row people. i along with a group of friends did
every date on the tour and we were front row every night. there were
several other smaller groups who did several dates so we all got to know
each other...... we stood in line and at the stage for hours together.....
one big happy family....... i met a couple of great friends on that tour.
got trampled on in london by a fellow listee in her excitement to get on
stage...... she will remain nameless...... erica spizz..... oophs :):) hi
erica.

anyway, there was one particular group who were trying to get themselves
noticed. during least complicated kirsti reeves played the tin whistle part
from the audience which made emily smile..... she then played on closer to
fine when they invited her on stage. emily was basically smiling at all the
people who had done so many dates because we were all singing along at the
top of our lungs...... unusual for me because i'm normally very quiet. she
got a kick out of the fact that we were british and knew who they
were...... she had asked at one concert how many americans were in the
audience...... there was a huge deafening shout. then she asked how many
british people there were...... there was a tiny squeek in comparison. she
had also commented at an earlier show about how reserved the british
audiences were...... made some comment about how they liked it because
american audiences were so loud and rowdy...... we actually listened and
clapped politely at the end of the song :):) she told us to emote. so when
we were so vocal in london she got a kick out of it.

if anyone is interested i'm the one with shoulder length dark brown hair,
centre parting, round glasses, black shawn colvin t-shirt, standing in
front of amy and completely out of time with everyone else on the hand
claps.... never did have any sense of rhythmn :)

uk listees: i saw swamp ophelia and indigo girls in selecter disc
(nottingham) as a two disc package.... price twelve pounds. i'm not sure
what it looks like because they don't put the cases on display, just the
inlay cards in a plastic sleeve. has anyone heard about this? it has been
there for months but i forgot to mention it before now.

finally, i don't have the time or the motivation to collect all the boots
that have been offered on the list...... i have over two hundred suzanne
vega tapes that i never listen to these days. is anyone willing to make a
compilation tape with all the new songs and covers..... sys remix, karla
faye, winthrop, chiapas bound, problem child, the one written about
australia, amy's country song, seniorita song, blister, wish you were
here..... and any others that i have forgotten to mention ?

must go..... work to do..... take care all.
sharon

sharon a. jennings
cancer research campaign laboratories
univesity of nottingham
university park
nottingham
ng7 2rd (0115) 9513408
england (0115) 9513412 (fax)

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date: fri, 3 jul 1998 06:17:27 -0400
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i too own one madonna cd..bedtime stories..

lamia, you are too funny

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date: fri, 3 jul 1998 09:35:00 edt
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hey folks, someone asked me about overseas donations, and she figured that the
best way would be to send cash.. and that is fine by me. if you want
(personally), then i will write out one of my checks, with your amount, sign
my name, and underneath of that write the donater's name and whatever else.
you choose! again, my address and youth prides... oh yea, to reassure your
checks are going there, that's why i asked you to put their address on the
check.. perhaps underneath the youth pride part... or just somewhere :)

send checks to:
erin tripp
2907 carrington dr. sw
decatur, al 35603
256-351-1271

or to jill's house, but sorry! i deleted that letter jill! write her at
jillyc@hotmail.com if you need to send them to her.

make checks payable to:

youthpride atlanta
p.o. box 15448
atlanta, ga 30333

~now, make sure to include a note saying your name, address, and who the
donation is in the name of.

*and dont forget to put emily saliers bday on the subject line!!!

p.s i have contacted youth pride explaining our situation, but i am still
waiting on a return call. ill keep you guys updated :)

smiles to all,
erin tripp

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oh, i'm back!  maybe someone remembers me from . . . over a year ago.  gee
time flies.  i signed off so i could focus on my studies, and it did help me
focus on my school work; grades went up and everything.  =)

reading through my e-mail i recognize some old names, and have noticed a lot
of new ones. that great sense of community seems to still be very alive, and
that makes me feel very "warm and fuzzy," because after a year of my high
school (where everyone avoids eye contact in the hall ways and hates talking
with people outside their circle), it's nice to be in a less combat like
environment.

anyway, i have returned.

~ elizabeth

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hey i dunno if this has been posted in the past, if it has i'm sorry!!
hmm did you know there's a band called indigo starvation? weird...
anyhow..!
i found this:
live concert from the crocodile cafe, seattle (april 1997)
searching for indigo midis the addy is:
http://ubl.com/ubl/cards/001/1/85.html#av

the concert is real audio so you have to have that! it's 38 minutes long
and the setlist is:
sys
gotm
dgtgag
caramia
soy
question time (emily broke a string)
eiiot
scooter boys
galileo

again if this has been up before (which it probaby has!) sorry!

*hugs*

lamia

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random boalsburg stuff:
concert starts at 7pm.  it is gen adm.  ergo, should we be arriving at
like 6am to stand in line in hopes of getting that front row?  if so,
wouldn't this render our tailgate party defunct?  argh.

it's a 6 (?)hr. drive for me, so i'm leaving in the morning. just how
early morning is what i need y'all to help me determine.

should we arrange for the closer-living listees to get there earlier and
hold us a space in line, and then once we all arrive we can trade off
and take shifts holding the place in line? or is this too morally
reproachable?

never been to the venue or the area, so i'm basically lost.
reply?
jill

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hey gang!!

so during my trip to atlanta for pride, i picked up the youth pride benefit
album, thrive (which i highly recommend- it's an awesome album. it's available
through daemon's website). anyway, among the bands & musicians i fell in love
with on the album (out of 15 artists, there were 2 i already liked/knew of,
and 5 more who's albums i've since bought/ordered!), there's a song by allen
broyles called "today" that's just freaking beautiful. while i've since
discovered that he played piano with michelle malone on her x-mas album as
well as some tunes on the latest josh joplin album, boxing nostalgic (another
kick-ass cd i got in atlanta!). i was wondering if anyone's heard of any more
solo stuff? my web search came up empty handed, other than stuff about the
thrive album. please drop me a line off-list if you know where i can find some
more music by this talented guy!!

yeah, i just need to move up there so that i'm in the loop. ;)

thanks & now back to our regularly programmed debate... er, discussion list.
peace,
rick
listening to: shock lobo/my wicked soul
*wow- i tell you what, wow* -bartok
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hello.

last weekend was pridefest in st. louis. on a whim a friend and i decided late saturday night to go downtown to mokabe's coffee house. i was surprised when i drove by and there was a huge crowd out on the patio. my friend said, "hey, there's some blonde gal playing the harmonica out there." i looked and couldn't believe it. i said, "wow! that looks like caroline aiken!" i hurriedly got a parking space and walked the block back to mokabe's. and, yes, it was her. she was great! she was playing songs randomly along with local people from st. louis. she asked at one point, "may i do a cover?" some people yelled out, "indigo girls!" however, she did "coyote" by joni mitchell instead. anyway, she played a lot of songs off her new cd, "butler field." i bought her "live bait" cd and she autographed it for me and talked a little after the show. she was also on the main stage at pridefest the next day and i saw her there. there's a song on "live bait" called "the greatest show on earth." it has michelle malone out beside it on the cd cover in parenthesis. the song sounds like a young girl singing it. is this a "young michelle malone?" or is it a young caroline aiken or someone else singing a song michelle malone wrote? does anyone know? anyway, caroline was great and so is "live bait" and i plan to get the new cd also. she's a very interesting person, and i'm sure no one is surprised at how "gay friendly" she is...heehee

toye

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who booted the nm lillith show? can i get a copy? please oh please oh
please?!?!
email me privately if you've got what i want por favor!
peace,
lisa

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hey all,

i havent replied to any of my personal messages cuz i havent had time, i
will do so by monfay, soo please be patient..i got a letter from the radio
station saying they were going to send my check back because they had told
me it was $10, but changed the price..im very angry, has anyone else heard
from them??

with love, and all things indigo

                                always,
                                   jeanette
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date: fri, 3 jul 1998 11:49:51 +0100
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thanks to all who responded to my boot plea - what nice people you are!
i will respond after the weekend as i am really busy being chief
bridesmaid at my mother's wedding this saturday.

i thought i'd let you know about my almost ig moment - a couple of years
ago i was renting a room with a landlady who let rooms to people from
the local theatre - a really nice chap moved in for a week who was in
the pantomime (one of the ugly sisters!)
over the week we became chatty and he heard lots of ig music coming from
my room and asked me how i got into their music etc.. and it turned out
that he was the brother of sara lee. he said he had been on tour with ig
with his sister and told me what *nice* people a and e are - but then
you already know that.

bfn.
michelle

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morning everyone,

sharon said:
>uk listees: i saw swamp ophelia and indigo girls in selecter disc
>(nottingham) as a two disc package.... price twelve pounds. i'm not sure
>what it looks like because they don't put the cases on display, just the
>inlay cards in a plastic sleeve. has anyone heard about this? it has been
>there for months but i forgot to mention it before now.

hm, i wonder if that's the same deal as the ig/so double package
that they've been selling here in australia for a couple of years
now. apparently the cds and booklets are pretty much the same as
the regular cds, but the box is a double-cd jewel case much like
the jewel case 1200c was released in in the us...

but anyway -
sherlyn
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you just climb up to the top and you will find me hanging around
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hey folks,

this came through the lilith fair list, apparently from the web
(i'm not sure where from...)

-sherlyn

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lilith fair '98
rose bowl
pasadena
june 27, 1998
reviewed by carrie bell

[...]

despite being the headliner, mclachlan made an earlier appearance with
the indigo girls. these women know a thing or two about performing live
and giving it 100%. they tore through guitar-heavy versions of tracks
like "galileo." sinead o'conner guested on a 10-minute "chickenman" that
was spruced up with harmonica by blues traveler's john popper. shawn
colvin and mclachlan harmonized on "the water is wide." continuing the
improvisational unity and capping off a powerful mid-show appearance, the
amped folk duo was joined by most of the day's players including billie
myers, tara maclean (the next jewel?), colvin, and even ellen degeneres
on "closer to fine" and a charged cover of neil young's "rockin' in the
free world."

[...]

carrie bell is the modern age columnist for billboard.

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will kar, the girl with whom i was having a mormon beliefs discussion,
please email me? i think you changed your address (indilint@aol.com),
and i want to write to you.

thanks,
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hey all!
i owuld just like to tell everyone on the list that in one wekk, on july
11th, i will be going to my first ever concert... the ig concert at
harborlights in boston!!! i am just so excited and wanted to share it. sorry
if i've just bored you to death! anyone else on the list goin to that concert?
let me know!!! email me privately ok?
love, peace, indigo,
~alyssa

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hey y'all!

i found more ig cards! anyway, i took a few... anyway, i think that most
tower stores have them now (i found them at 2 stores in the bay area).

i *would* offer some to the list now, but i'd rather not because my mail
does not seem to be getting to me (okay, some of my mail...), and i am
worried that if i have you send envelopes that they will get lost in the
mail (i am dealing with taht problem from the last time i offered them).
sooooo....i think i'll just wait until i get back to school (where the
mail service is actually reliable!) and then offer some of the cards to
y'all.

but anyway, if you live near a tower store, and didn't ge any yet, try
gain. you may have better luck now!

and nigc, but is anyone going to the ani show in san jose tomorrow? if
so, i'd love to meet you. just drop me an e-mail if you're going!

:-) karen

ps- to indigohio, have a blast on sunday! i am wearing my shirt now and
thinking of y'all! sorry i'm going to miss it...

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so i was planning on taking a major roadtrip and basically following the
girls for a few days in august. sounded nice in theory.

but as i sit here making maps online, i can now see that it will be
nearly logistically *impossible* to get from bethlehem, pa to walhalla,
mi overnight and still be cognizent enough to pitch a tent and stay
awake for another concert.

the bethlehem show starts at 8pm.  so, figure on leaving pa by midnight.
it is 773 miles, or 768 minutes (roughly 12-13 hours) from bethlehem to
mwmf.  that would place our happy traveler in michigan by 2pm the next
day (allowing very little time for pit stops).  that's a mere 6 hours or
so to: arrive, get shuttled to the site, go to orientation, find a spot
to set up camp, pitch a tent, get dinner, and freshen up, before making
a beeline for the night stage to see ig.  by this time, our traveler
will be so sleep-deprived, she will be having difficulty seeing straight
(mwmf pun not intended) and standing up.

who out there can *honestly* say they're gonna do this?  if you are,
please email me and let me know how you're going to manage it, because i
don't think i can.  if it were that i were an indigo girl and could
sleep in a winnebago while someone else drove me, it'd be no problem.
but when you're both the traveler *and* chauffeur, it's rather
difficult.  i tried pricing airfare from pa to mi, and it's just a mere
$433!  as if.

jill

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so, i heard yesterday that michelle malone will be playing at these
concerts (and a few more) with ig this week (9th, 10th) - i'm really
excited - i've never seen her in concert! i'm sensing some really
good stuff going on this week....

(if someone already posted this...let's just contribute this to my
excitement...or it could be that i was waterskiing tonight, took a
face dive only to have the waterski come back and hit me in the
head...now i have a bump on my head...)

take it easy -
sunny - who has a goose egg on the right side of her head...no
worries...right?

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would have posted this earlier, but have been busy with work and trying to
create my homepage that i didn't have time to post it. the two questions i
would ask would be:

1) can i sit in on a studio session when you are recording your new album?
2) can i have my photo taken with you to and your autograph on my cd cover?

missy

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this is something i just got and thought you'd all appreciate it, i lmao when
i read it!! : ) enjoy! also, an aside.. i bought my first ms. magazine today
: )

the agenda
by anonymous

     as you all know, we have a heck of a time keeping track of the feminist
agenda.  i know i keep losing it.
     evidently i didn't read it very well because pat robertson was quoted as
saying it is in the agenda that we "leave our husbands, kill our children, and
become lesbians."  my husband will be a little bummed about the lesbian part,
but it does make sense about why i never have seen any children around the
house.  i don't ever remember reading that part, but why would pat robertson
lie?
      anyway; here's our new agenda.  don't lose it!
                                feminist agenda

0800-0815     introduction, opening remarks
0815-0915     plot to overthrow world leadership
0915-0930     break- coffee and donuts
0930-1030     undermine world religions
1030-1200     general attacks on the institution of the american family
1200-1300     catered lunch and fashion show
1300-1330     plot to remove all men from the world
1330-1400     break- cake and champagne
1400-1500     leave husbands (if applicable)
1500-1530     kill children
1530-1700     become lesbian

1730+ evening mixer; open bar

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hey all--
i finally crawled out to do a little review of the lilith here in
k.c.....

well, it started out well considering the first thing i did was go buy
another copy of shaming to get the blue promo, but i have it now :)
good stuff.  anyway, it was a little rainy, so n'dea davenport started
out singing a song about the sun.  it was cute.  then, sister 7 came on
after her (this was on stage 2, i think), and they just rocked it out!!
hmmmm, the lead singer (patricia??), was very impressive in all kinds of
ways ;)  hehe.  no really, she had a really good voice, and good stage
presence.  very appealing, you know....ok, i need to stop now.  if you
get the chance, go see them.  anyway, sinead o'connor had a great set,
powerful.  but on to what matters....of course when our girls came on,
they brought the crowd to their feet, and rightfully so.  i was very
impressed with the set, even though i wanted more of course.  this is
how it went..

chickenman (with sinead o'connor)
galileo
i don't wanna know (with sarah someone on violin)
ghost
tried to be true
get out the map
water is wide (with sarah mclachlan, and some others)
cut it out
down by the river (sorry, i was really excited about this!!)
closer to fine (with all lilith performers)

everyone sat down during cut it out, and couldn't believe it!!  oh well,
hearing down by the river made up for it, but no one stood for that
either...the crowd here just didn't know how lucky they were.  well,
moving on....natalie merchant kinda got on my nerves b/c it seemed like
she was trying to make it the "natalie-show," but she has a good voice.
and sarah m's set was very touching.  lots o' beautiful women, and
beautiful women singing...i was happy.  thanks if you made it this far.
catch y'all later.

----kelly s

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subject: sarah news this week : )

hello again! it's raining in vancouver. what's new? (it was sunny skies
yesterday but of course, the weekend is here so it rains)

this week has been wonderful for us at mumurs as we had wednesday off.
canadians celebrated canada day, july 1st with pride. it was nice to
have a day of rest! enjoy your july 4th fireworks and celebrations if
you live south of the canadian border! be safe! kids, remember that
fireworks can be dangerous is not handled properly. use when and adult
is present please! (thanks mom) : )

lilith news...

in lilith fair news, the ladies of lilith had june 30th offthen were
back at it in oklahoma city (july 1st), and then traveled to bonner
springs, kansas for a show at sandstone amphitheater yesterday (july
2nd).

remember to check out the web site often for more:
http://www.lilithfair.com

sold out shows...

we've also been informed that the second toronto show at the molson
amphitheater (aug.16th) has sold out. as well, the july 13th show at
the pnc bank arts center in holmdel, nj is now sold out as well.

tv news....

muchmusic, the canadian music video station, aired a30-minute spotlight
on lilith fair on yesterday...thursday, july 2nd. the spotlight also
aired on muchusa, muchmusic's american off-shoot. this spotlight will
be repeated later that night as well. this spotlight will also repeat
several timesatoday and tomorrow. on july 3rd, it can be seen at
5:30am(est) or 2:30am(pst). on july 4th, it can be seen at 11:30am(est)
or 8:30am(pst). check your local listings for details. these repeat
broadcasts may possibly be only on muchmusic in canada, though that is
not confirmed.

also, on *sunday, july 5th* at 5:30am, the special cable channel bravo
will be re-broadcasting sarah's 'intimate & interactive' performance
from last year. now, i should point out that this may be only
broadcasting in the states and not canada, so youmight want to check
your local listings for details before you either set that vcr or get
up that early.

adia single info....

sarah's 'adia' single is due out in canada next week. adia, the third
single from surfacing, will be available as a 'limited edition'
commercial single next week in canada, starting tuesday, july 7th.

the track listing will be as follows:

adia (tom lorde alge remix)

angel

i will remember you

building a mystery (lilith fair live)

*******this particular single is<bold> onlyavailable in canadia retail
outlets</bold>, and will not be distributed in the states*******.

so, that's it for this week!

until next time, adieu!

jennifer

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date: sat, 4 jul 1998 04:13:15 -0400
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hi, people, i put some girl pictures up from appel farm last month:
http://pluto.njcc.com/~jo/ig_appel/

...if anyone is interested...sorry i don't seem to have posted much in the
last couple years...

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thanx to everyone who has responded to answer my question about the michelle malone song on "live bait." surprised me how many caroline fans are on this list.

now, what about that ig london show that was on the disney channel (i think 1995)...i really, really, really would love to have a good copy...anyone?????

toye

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christy, would you please email me???

toye

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date: sat, 4 jul 1998 06:39:09 -0400
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anyone going to the indy lilith today????

kim & rhea

do we have to live inside its walls to identify the cage

ferron

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date: sat, 4 jul 1998 08:22:54 -0400
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i already have plans to go to harborlights and i was thinking of hitting the
meadowbrook farms show the next day (at 4 pm!) which will get done by the
time most concerts begin, which is a plus. i have to work the next day and
either:
1. would love to find someone to drive me back from meadowbrook to lewiston,
or possibly:

2. drive me to portland, there i can rent a hotel and walk to work.
however, i will compensate nicely if you can swing through lewiston, i am
just trying to find other maine fans. i would love to see the new hampshire
show, but with newport, spitfire and rtpr all slated for later this year, it
won't kill me - but i want to go!!!!

email me if you can help me out.
mike r.

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hi listees! i just wanted to say:

happy birthday america!!!!!

brian

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anna, i lost your email address, could you email me at

laurendick@hotmail.com ?
thanks, and sorry for the bandwith,
lauren

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subject: vh-1

did any one happen to watch the "i" section of their a>z thing. my vcr
didn't work and i was wondering if they where on

sarah

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anyone that has a record player and got this album can you make a tape copy
for the rest of us that do not even own a record player. any volunteers
e-mail me about it.willing to trade a copy of tomorrows show for it since i
will be doing the ig performance and adding a little personal touch to it
since we have a group meet i thought i put some of the conversations in on
it. i will need tree branches for this. i need three volunteers. i will do
oct- dec. missy

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  how do i get off the mailing list?  it's great, but it's just too much mail
in my box every day.  thanks.
  lauren

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hey all,
the girls are in the new spin mag, with christina ricci on the cover.  (the
same one with the letter to the editor, that someone posted about earlier)
they're on page 75.  there's a pic (amy's playing mandolin and em's playing
banjo) and the half column article is entitled "the ellen syndrome".  the
article is about the high school cancellations, and is much better than
that last one in time i might add.
java

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> random boalsburg stuff:
> concert starts at 7pm.  it is gen adm.  ergo, should we be arriving at
> like 6am to stand in line in hopes of getting that front row?  if so,
> wouldn't this render our tailgate party defunct?  argh.
>
hey all!

        when i called and got my tickets i was told that the show starts,
yes, at 7 p.m.  *and* i was also told that the parking lot opens *three*
hours prior to the show (4 p.m.)  and the gates open *one* hour prior to
the show (6 p.m.)...

i can't remember if this information has been posted to the list already.
but, i think they have set this up this way so that, yes, people can
tailgate (pretty cool); but, also so people don't get there very very
early... so, i guess the best you could try to do would be get there when
the parking lot first opens...

peace, melissa

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -a.r.

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melissa said:
>i guess the best you could try to do would be get there when
>the parking lot first opens...

or get there at 6am to be in the front of the line of cars waiting to
get into the parking lot! ;)

jill

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oh shooty poops!

i accidently deleted the pat robertson thing that was posted to the list.
i really wanted to forward that to one of my best friends. would anyone
be kind enough to forward it to me? thanks so much!

oh, that was the pat robertson feminism thing.

love,
karen :-) (who is going to the ani show in less than 8 hours)

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i'm really hoping someone can help me out the k's choice list doesn't
seem to know..i need to find the chords to everything for free off their
new cd cocoon crash..it's driving me nuts i can't find them anywhere!

what i've figured out so far is capo ii- am, c, f, am, c, f, e but as
for the chorus i'm stumped! please help!!!

*hugs*

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i fell asleep at 4 am during the g's and woke up when chris issac was on,
then right on to janet jackson...did they show our girls?

sarah pohuly wrote:

> did any one happen to watch the "i" section of their a>z thing. my vcr
> didn't work and i was wondering if they where on
>
> sarah
>
> _

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date: fri, 3 jul 1998 02:01:42 -0700
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hey - since i'm already posting - does anyone have any info and helpful
hints regarding how to put up a home/webpage? like, what's the
difference between the two, how you go about creating one, and what
systems are the best for it? sorry for the bw, but i figured you
computer wizzes out there could point me in the right direction...
privately, of course!

thanks in advance!!

michal

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hey y'all!!  i just wanted to share with you guys - i made my debut
performance with a guitar onstage yesterday night!!  i wasn't even
nervous.  well, maybe a little, i did screw up a bit at the opening...i
opened for an all women's band at a rather small concert they were
having (about 40 people), and it was really wonderful! my two favorite
comments:
"when you sing, your soul really comes out." - to which i replied,
"really, what does it look like?"  (i wasn't making fun, i was serious.
it's interesting to hear what other people are seeing/thinking when
you're busy making music, no?)

"your lyrics are so intelligent - it's so refreshing." - i honestly
think that's the nicest thing anyone's ever said to me.

so give me a little while - maybe one day i'll be opening for the
girls!! (hey - what's that phrase, something like 'if you don't reach
for the stars you'll never even hit the clouds...' something like that,
anyway...i'm so tired....)

i've been waiting and planning for this for quite some time, and i'm
really happy, so i wanted to share it with you!!!

happy weekend!!!!!!!!

*big friggin smiles*
michal
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was months ago...)

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date: sat, 4 jul 1998 19:05:36 -0400
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yeah, i stayed up until about 4:30, watching for the i's and the star trek
marathon, was there ever a better star trek show :) i oke up at 8:00 only
to find them on th inx's. oh, i was so pissed!
rb

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ok..here's just a big ol waste of bandwith while i mumble out my
thoughts!

since the other day when i found that real audio concert and saw that
there was a band called indigo starvation, i was curious, so it took a
little surfing around and eventually i found this guy's site. which was
a link off of seatlemusicweb...
now it is just totally amazing to me that there are still thousands of
bands trying to cash in on the whole kurt cobain/grunge thing! does it
really sell anymore? i was astounded to see all the bands that sing
songs like "oasis of shit" and i use the word sing loosely, and wonder
why they can't get a record deal!! :p it was very sad listening to some
of these guys..
now i'm not really bashing grunge here. i like(d) it..i love nirvana,
pearl jam will always rock...but i think that aside from the
madonna-esque bands (that morph as music does) grunge is pretty much
gone..!
hmmm i'm sort of happy to see that whole indigo girls/shawn colvin/edwin
mccain stuff growing into more popularity..except that just means when i
actually start trying to play music it'll be passe and people will be
writing emails about me wondering don't i know that folk music was so
1997...
oh anyhow i don't even know what i'm saying..glad you guys like me
enough to not flame me for my rantings (hint, hint)
hey i didn't go to be till 5am..i'm a victim..

*hugs*

lamia
*quitting while i'm ahead*

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since someone's looking into k's choice, can someone help me out in the
chords for 'not and addict'? i know they're probably easy for someone who
knows how to really play, but what can i say, i'm an idiot. ;p

sincerely,
ian c.

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i forgot about staying up and watching vh1, however, i do remember that i
checked last year when the i's came on and they didn't play any indigo girls
videos. so, i kind of doubt they did this year either. how unfair...

sharon

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> then right on to janet jackson...did they show our girls?
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> sarah pohuly wrote:
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hello everyone,
a question came up while we were watching a video. where did sulli come
from? how did she get her job? anything about her we would be
interested in hearing about.
thanks,
mary & merris

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interresting question! i'd like to know about that too..it actually
brings up something i've thought a lot about on and off...

camille henderson sings back-up for sarah mclachlan. she's been doing
this for quite a while too, since at least the fte tour. what i wonder
is, why does she continue to do that? what makes someone want to do
that? i mean i'm sure sarah's sweet and all, and she's getting to tour
and sing, but..why not try to do something on her own? it seems like
night after night of getting up there singing someone else's song, never
getting any attention, would have to take its toll. i for one would sure
feel resentful of whoever it was!! plus she always looks bored...anyhow
i dunno what point this has except to wonder what makes someone want to
do that? with the techs it's different cuz they're not preforming at
all..but how does camille feel? this is what i wonder..
wow ya'll are probably sick of my deep thoughts and ramblings today huh?
*l*

*hugs*

lamia

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didn't sulli used to be with meg christian??

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> didn't sulli used to be with meg christian??

not sure about that--but she did used to be with kristen hall...

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yes, that's right. i got that mixed up. kristen hall is right.

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> not sure about that--but she did used to be with kristen hall...

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date: sat, 4 jul 1998 14:48:49 pdt
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hey folks, i am outta a computer for a while, maybe 5 days...  last
night a friend got a little to sloppy and spilled pop-ice on my
keyboard, so, i do not have access to any of my mail.  jill will
probably have any answers whatever questions you guys have.  if ya need
me, you can call me at 256-351-1271.  again, my home address for mailing
the checks...

erin tripp
2907 carrington dr. sw
decatur, al 35603

or, email hark050@hotmail.com i have access to this email addy.

remember to address the checks to youth pride, and on the memo line put:
emily saliers birthday

have a safe 4th of july guys. :) watch the road blocks!

trooper

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 00:44:04 pdt
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hey guys--
maybe this is too late-notice to catch any columbus lilith-goers, but
it's worth a try...
anyone attending today's lilith fair in columbus, or friday's show in
boalsburg, who wants to donate to youth pride: you can bring your
checks to the show and give them to me there, just to save some time and
postage money.
i'll be the one with the looooong curly brown hair and big mouth.

jill

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 08:33:05 edt
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the videos went from natalie imbruglia
to inxs...
wonder why...
wrote a letter to vh1 to complain
just thought y'all would like to know
happy sunday!

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 10:31:11 -0400
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<ahem>
sulli used to guitar tech for kristen hall, i didn't think anyone meant to
say anything more than that. oh - kristen used to guitar tech for the ig
before she had a incredible career of her own.

sulli used to even be a fairly active listee years ago.

peace -
mike r.

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 11:00:28 edt
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> <ahem>
> sulli used to guitar tech for kristen hall, i didn't think anyone meant to
> say anything more than that

ouch...that's what i meant--*guitar tech*--sorry for being ambiguous. =}
speaking of kristen hall, please check out her music...she rocks. my
fave cd of hers is "fact and fiction." =)

peace, love, and shameless plugs,
ponygrrrl

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 11:17:46 -0400
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yes kristen hall is amazing...i only have be careful what you wish
for...but i plan on getting the others. they have them thru ladyslipper
which is pretty much the bane of my existence anymore.

the thing i love about bcwywf if that emily sings back up on the one song
"following my compass" which is one of my fave tracks *beams*

of course the girls also do backup for disappear fear on their self titled
album....emily does back up on "be the one" (a lovely ballad), amy does
back up on "moment of glory" and the girls join together in backing up
"washington work song"....of course janis ian sings back up on that album
as well (on the track "who's so scared")...and i have only ever heard one
other song by ms. ian (on my lesbian favorites cd)...ride me like a
wave...i am in love with that song *nods*

now how was that for a rambly post to the list? :)

--audra

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

*****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 11:55:03 -0600
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hey! haven't heard much chat regarding ig songs lately, so i thought i'd
bring up a song which i've been listening to a lot lately: it's alright.

seems to be a very pop-ish song for a fairly serious message. it's also one
of the few songs in which they vocalize direct (rather than sexually
ambiguous) homosexual content. i, for one, enjoy the song and the content.
however, i'm interested in other people's opinions regarding the song.
seems especially pertinent with the recent high school situation (as many
of you pointed out when that thread was weaved onto our computer monitors).

this song may have already been discussed at great lengths when sos first
came out, in which case i apologize!

ta!
jill

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 12:07:40 edt
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does anyone still have that list cycle thingy that someone posted right before
i left before...?

pax, celeste:)

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 11:34:29 pdt
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whenever i listen to sots i always find myself turning it up when ia comes on, that is continue to turn it up because that is automatic when sys comes on :) i think it does have a serious message, and it is a different kind of song for emily. a lot faster and pop sounding than most of her reflective, quiet songs. but the deep meaning lyrics are still there. things like "still on a search through the weather strewn church..." that line has deep meaning for me because i think all gay people who believe in god go through that search in religion, trying to find some way to live with it. also the "can't get over the hump or get over us..." line to me is typical of gay relationships. it could be taken to mean not being able to get over the fact that one is in a gay relationship or just the typical kind of problems the gay "us" has to deal with. i'm not sure which way emily meant it, and i take it differently depending on what sort of mood i'm in when i listen to it. "ran as hard as i could and still ended up here but it's alright" to me seems symbolic of the "running" we all do from being gay before we accept it. no matter how hard we try to run away, we still "end up here" sooner or later...but, hey--it's alright. to me, the song is about coming to terms with the fact that one is gay, within his or herself and also dealing with the prejudice and ill-feelings society in general has toward us. also, i don't know why, buy i just love to hear amy's part when the harmony comes in on "...hate me 'cause i'm gay." :) her voice sounds so low and sexy right there for some reason...uh, oh, yeah, but weren't we talking about emily? heehee anyway, that's ia, imho...

indigo to all,
toye

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> hey! haven't heard much chat regarding ig songs lately, so i thought i'd
> bring up a song which i've been listening to a lot lately: it's alright.

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 10:11:42 pdt
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i love this song! i think it's good because it gets the message across
in a beautiful way, in a very emily way. you know? they're not up there
screaming hey we're dykes let's kill the men & homophobes woohoo!!
they're saying, we like ourselves just the way we are we understand you
may have a problem with that, but we're going to love you anyway..a
peaceful message!
plus i like singing along when they do it live. i think the song has an
even stronger message now that they've met with blantant persecution.
because as the song says "it's alright"..ya know? i think that their
sane, peaceful, loving approach makes a big impression whether people
will admit it or not!!

*hugs*

lamia

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pray for eternity to fly
don't understand but how i try
if you're not scared, why am i?"
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i don't know if ig was on the a-z countdown, but
i saw closer to fine on pop up video. none of
the messages during the video really trashed the song
or the girls, which was cool.

in one message, director tamra davis said she
was told by epic to "feminize" the girls. in the next
message, davis said it wouldn't work!!

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 15:00:16 pdt
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who is to say what is "feminine?" i don't think a & e have to look like fashion models to be feminine! who says femine is make up, long nails and mini skirt with heels? a & e are real women! women who stand up for what they believe in with a passion and a vengeance! to me, that's what a real woman is...i'm glad they don't "bow and bend to the whims of epic!!"
my 2 cents.
toye

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> was told by epic to "feminize" the girls. i

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indigowomyn@ruralcom.net writes:

<< who is to say what is "feminine?" i don't think a & e have to look like
fashion models to be feminine! who says femine is make up, long nails and
mini skirt with heels? a & e are real women! >>

  i had never put a ton of thought into if amy and emily were or weren't
feminine until one day in bio class.  the girl who sat behind me and i were
discussing indigo stuff when she said something like "oh yeah, but they're *so
butch*!"
  am i missing something here?  sure they're not running around in high heels
or stuff from the macy's jrs department, but what is the world coming to when
opting for pants makes you un-womanly?  is it, as toye alluded to, because of
their politics that we see "our girls" portrayed as if they're some how
masculine?  believe me, amy ray is *very* much a woman . . . =)

  what do people think about that; indigo media portrayal?  it seems they are
either closely associated with current gay culture, or completely separated
from it.  which should it be?  should it be mixed?  i don't mean as in a
perfect world, but rather in our world --> one dragging itself towards
progress, slowly but steadily.  i meet people who only know they're gay (not
even that there are two of them, just they's lesbians), and i meet people who
don't know they're gay . . . don't know what i think about all this; like to
know what you all do . . . must get out of school mode . . .

~ elizabeth

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in the book surface tension, there is a wonderful essay by elizabeth wurtzel
entitled the (fe)male gaze which discusses brilliantly the girls femininity,
as defined by this patriarchal society which we call home.  i think the
femininity that the folks at epic were referring to was exactly the stuff that
"girl bands"  like the bangles or fem2fem had, that appeal which would market
them to heterosexual white males.  wurtzel writes, ". . .we as women have
learned, coyly or wisely, and over aeons of evolutionary progress, how to
translate our particular language into terms that men will understand, how to
cross the border from herspace to everyspace. . ."

this femininity we're referring to is something much more than makeup or
style. i think epic wanted to increase our girls' marketability. . .

oh, well, they're mine and yours, without pretense, and, damn, i love the
indigo girls.
----summer

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  for some reason, it's alright has always struck me as a "tired, but
empowered" song.  the whole "it's alright if you hate . . . truth of the
matter come around one day, and it's alright" part seems (to me) to say,
"fine, hate me if you want to; i'm sick of fighting.  but one day they'll all
know the truth, so it's alright."  when it first came out, i remember some
people didn't like the idea that it's okay to stop fighting hatred and just
letting it happen.  i have trouble with that too, but at the same time . . .

   in my mind this song is emily's personal anthem.  it yells, look!  i'm
human too!  she and amy are so socially and politically active, and i admire
that so much.  i have my own battles (everyone does) to fight; small but
meaningful to my immediate world.  to me this song is about continuing to
fight whether you've got "an explination" for your life thus far or not.  and
while i think the song is very much about being gay, i think it's sort of
selfish for gays to see it only, or even just primarily, as such.  (flame
away)  even if emily "intended" it as such.  (not that artist's intent means
anything . . . )  everybody deals with the issues it's alright addresses
because they're human issues above all else.   everyone (well, a lot of
people) struggles with the confused fatigue of sorts brought about by just
fighting and fighting against every injustice, etc.  you push and you push but
the world seems to be the same in so many ways.  "ran as hard as i could but
still ended up here."
  yet, in the end, after looking at the "fires of hatred", etc., emily says
"i'm small in a way, but i know i'm strong."  this line has given me so much
when i had so little.  because maybe it is alright if you "feel afriad; plans
in pieces and plans mislaid."  "it's the will of the only way that could have
brought me here today.  and it's alright."   when it was all over she _had_
grown and changed, and she liked what she had.  and even if churches are still
burning, she gave it her all and did change a few lives and that's all that
matters.  it *is* alright!

at least, that's what i get from it all . . .

~ elizabeth, who didn't mean to offend anyone, but at the same time thinks
being offended occassionally can be healthy.

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 17:47:20 -0400
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well now...here's my opinion on this...
i live in maine, and used to work on the coast. there, women i was around
(since i sailed on windjammers) didn't wear makeup and their ideas of
dressing up were either wearing a long skirt with a nice shirt or at least
having pants that weren't torn or stained somewhere.  when i visited
atlanta, many southern women were carefully and neatly made up (as were the
southern passengers who arrived each sunday night...but as the week on the
schooners progressed, the makeup came off)..
when i came to school here in farmington, maine, also my hometown from way
back, i noticed that some women wear makeup, some don't, but all of them
except a couple of rugby playing friends of mine look feminine to me.
   i think it's just what you are conditioned to. if i'd been from only one
place or another, my image of what is feminine would be drastically
different.  lucky for me i can see it either way.
    peace,
             sharoane

> << who is to say what is "feminine?" i don't think a & e have to look
like
> fashion models to be feminine! who says femine is make up, long nails
and
> mini skirt with heels? a & e are real women! >>
>
> i had never put a ton of thought into if amy and emily were or weren't
> feminine until one day in bio class. the girl who sat behind me and i
were
> discussing indigo stuff when she said something like "oh yeah, but
they're *so
> butch*!"
> am i missing something here? sure they're not running around in high
heels
> or stuff from the macy's jrs department, but what is the world coming to
when
> opting for pants makes you un-womanly?

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 18:08:51 -0400
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hey y'all,

i have a question...what issue of spin is that ig comment in?  is it the
july 1998 one (with lime green writing on the cover)?  if so, where in the
magazine is it?  i can't find it.  please help!

:-) karen

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"if we get to have some answers when we reach the other
side, the prize is always worth the rocky ride."
--the goddess emily saliers (indigo girls)
"my flesh is strong; my spirit's stronger."
--the goddess amy ray (indigo girls)
"we'll ride out to california with your arms around my chest
and i'll pretend that this is real, cause this is what i
like best." --ani difranco
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warning: sarcasm ahead.....

perhaps "feminine" should mean walking respectfully three paces behind the
male with bowed head and carrying his guitar case???

i can't speak for anyone but myself, but i much prefer the company of women
who are intelligent, caring, and void of pretense....but then again, i might
not quite fit the record companies' demographics.....:)

a personal note:  friday night i had the extreme pleasure of playing lead
guitar with anatara at nietzsche's in buffalo, along with my friend katie
miller (a wonderfully talented local singer/songwriter whom i frequently
accompany) on drums....  in over 30 years of performing i've never experienced
anything  remotely close to the performance high i got from sharing a stage
with these three amazing women....  donna andreef and winnie bergner (anatara)
sing with the same passion and feeling as amy or melissa....  if you're an amy
person, you owe it to yourself to check their web site:

www.members.aol.com/wny-women/anatara/anatara.htm

peace & harmony,
tim

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wurtzel
entitled the (fe)male gaze which discusses brilliantly the girls femininity,
as defined by this patriarchal society which we call home. i think the
femininity that the folks at epic were referring to was exactly the stuff
that
"girl bands" like the bangles or fem2fem had, that appeal which would market
them to heterosexual white males. >>

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hey all,
just a couple of points i wanted to say...

-i'm going to the july 7th lilith fair in detroit, anyone else going
(just wondering because i hadn't seen anyone mention it)? my weather guy
says we're expecting rain and possibly strong storms.pooey!

-about femininity... i think that it does depend on what you're used to,
it does seem to be relative. while i can look at a woman with long hair,
long fingernails (w/ nail polish), and makeup and say "she looks
feminine," i can do the same about a woman who has no hair, no makeup
and short fingernails. some of it has to do with bone structure. it's
got a lot to do with our ideas about what makes this look feminine. in
general in our society, women tend to wear makeup and dress in what is
traditionally accepted as designated for women.
i think emily is more feminine than amy, but this statement doesn't
mean a whole lot. it means that we tend to think of women as having
longer hair (hers tends to be "done" in a certain way where amy's kind
of looks like it just goes there- and there's absolutely nothing wrong
with that:) ) and having higher voices and ... and. hm. i don't know,
she just seems more traditionally feminine than amy. amy's been dressing
a bit more feminine (if not a little strange for my personal tastes)
though. :)

masculine does not equal male and feminine does not equal female, they
are just adjectives for characteristics that we (our culture in general)
tend to attribute to those sexes. it's not an insult (in my mind) to
have both masculine and feminine qualities, it's just a way of
describing someone (although people can mean it as an insult, i guess).

-while (someone said) pop up video pointed out that epic wanted to
feminize the girls and someone suggested that they did this to try to
increase the girls' marketablity, i don't think we should criticize
epic. ig have been very vocal about the support and laissez-faire
attitude that epic has had with them. amy wore a black leather jacket
(hello, masculine stereotype but do you see my point?) in the video so
it's not like they forced them to wear dresses to make them more
"feminine".

okay. thanks for hanging with my ramble if you made it this far. and if
you didn't then you're not reading this so ha! :)

peace,
amy

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 18:23:04 edt
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i'm not going to lilith this year 'cause the girls won't be there, even though
i'm a big fan of sarah mclachlan....just don't have the cash to on a concert
w/out the girls, ya know? but last year's was spectacular!!!!! the ig's
performance was the best there, ask anyone who was there. it was
just....amazing, beyond any expectations i had prior to the concert. well,
have fun, at any rate.

peace,
*erica*

"maybe move to the right, maybe move to the left,
so we can all see her pain she wears like a banner on her chest,
and we all say it's sad, and we think it's a shame,
and she's called to our attention, but we do not call her name,
the girl with the weight of the world in her hands..."
-indigo girls,
"the girl with the weight of the world in her hands"

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in a message dated 7/5/98 5:15:13 pm, you wrote:

<<am i missing something here? sure they're not running around in high heels
or stuff from the macy's jrs department, but what is the world coming to when
opting for pants makes you un-womanly? is it, as toye alluded to, because of
their politics that we see "our girls" portrayed as if they're some how
masculine? believe me, amy ray is *very* much a woman . . . =)
>>
i myself am gay and i've never been able to figure out the whole butch femme
thing. but whatever amy and emily are, i would not call them traditionally.
femmie. that doesnt mean they are un-womanly. i dont think anyone said that.

but they are not femme. i mean did you ever take a look at those sears
repairman pants amy wears on stage?

a one time gal pal and i used to say the indigo girls had that "we just came
from camping" lesbian look. i find that look irresistable . for that matter i
find amy ray irresitable. very natural and organic. but feminine in the
traditional sense the girls arent...if you want to see them femmed up check
out the rites of passage era videos, like joking and galileo (when they are
not in costume) they are femmed up in those two without a doubt. i like the
camping look better!

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i am not into butch/femme roles either. but i agree that amy ray is a "woman's woman." if it is sears repairman pants that makes amy "amy" then damn i like the sears look! and i see what you are saying about the earlier videos. they did have more make up and such, but they probably had a little less voice about what they did then. i, myself like their more natural look they have going on now. it's like they are not trying to fool anyone about who and what they are. however, i think emily's outfit in the "joking" video is adorable. i have my eyes fixed on her in the background with that jacket she's wearing and playing her guitar. i don't see a & e as masculine or in any way unfeminine. i just think that is what this male-dominated society of ours has led eveyone to believe. they are natural women without pretense and that, sadly, doesn't fit into our society's woman. not that i agree, but i'm afraid the unfortunate truth.

toye

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> in a message dated 7/5/98 5:15:13 pm, you wrote:
is it, as toye alluded to, because of their politics that we see "our girls" portrayed as if they're some how masculine? believe me, amy ray is *very* much a woman . . . =)
> >>
> i myself am gay and i've never been able to figure out the whole butch femme
> thing.
sears
> repairman pants amy wears on stage?

rites of passage era videos, like joking and galileo (when they are
> not in costume) they are femmed up in those two without a doubt. i like the
> camping look better!

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 02:03:11 -0700
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hey!  i just wanted to say thanks to all the people who responded to my
question regarding home/webpages. i responded privately, but i want to
publicly announce that the people on this list are so kind and generous
and wonderful that i am constantly in awe that people like this don't
seem to be running the world.  although, maybe if they were they
wouldn't be so kind and generous and wonderful anymore, huh?  (the whole
chicken-egg dilemma all over again).  well, i'd still vote for you!

sorry, i'm rambling again, it's late....
my point: you are wonderful. thank you.

peace, love, harmony, truth
and above all sleep,

michal

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 16:18:45 pdt
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well first you have to think who is feminine? paula cole wears dresses,
but i don't really think of her as feminine. she's very opinionated,
angry. ani difranco wears dresses...she's definately not feminine, but
then again you have strong views and opinions. see a parallel here?? now
i'm scanning my mind going, who in the music business is feminine in my
opinion? sarah mclachlan. she seems feminine..but why does she? for one
thing, most of her songs are very soft. not that they're not
thought-provoking, and sometimes angry, but that sarah never really
seems to get angry. you know? she's protested the "earth-goddess" image,
but really when you think of sarah what do you see? that knowing little
smile? she has a softness about her at least in that on-stage, on tv
persona. where the indigo girls & ani have politics, views, sarah
doesn't really get involved in that. she's tried to keep lilith fair
pleasantly non-political. you won't see her talking about global issues,
or singing about things people could find offensive.

you know what i mean? she blurrs it. indigo girls say: "hate me cuz i'm
different, hate my cuz i'm gay the truth of the matter come around one
day, and it's alright" whereas sarah would say: "how could i explain?
you would not want to hear, you wouldn't listen if i talked anyway, cuz
you were too weighed down by your own fear"
(btw that's home from solace)
it's basically the same thing, talking about differences, and people's
predjudices. but there's a total difference in how it is said.
not that i'm bashing sarah! i was a sarah fan a long time before i even
knew the girls existed. but i think that the sad truth is that feminity
in the media, and in most people's minds still equals passivity.

*hugs*

lamia

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 16:23:11 pdt
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that's a really great book, really great essay too!

*hugs*

lamia

"i feel love in every sigh
pray for eternity to fly
don't understand but how i try
if you're not scared, why am i?"
--k's choice

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hey all

i have an extra seat for the 7/18 lilith show at merriweather in
columbia, md, if interested drop me a private e-mail. i'm selling it for
$42,a little less than the price i paid.

also, has anyone figured out what the policy about food is at
merriweather? can we bring stuff in or not?

thanks
peace
-kay

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 20:33:09 edt
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aloha!
        i just got home from a looooong day at work, which was *fun* 'cause i got
home from lilith at about 3 am last night, and even then i was too keyed up
for sleep, so i listened to litany over and over. . . .and then my alarm went
off in the morning and i was off to a happy day of  trying to stay  on my feet
at work  :)

no one has posted about the july 4 lilith yet, so i thought i'd share my
happy day with all of you:) and also i promise this will be short, so don't
stop reading yet :)

  we got to deer creek as soon as the parking lot opened, and we sat in line
and played guitar and had a little sing-along. . . and i was a little
disappointed, because there didn't seem to be many indigo fans around.
although i should add that darius and his entourage sang along, and that made
me smile.  but overall the  folks around us got the most excited when we
played "uncle john's band", and i was just thinking, what's up?  but it was
fun anyways :)

        on to the important stuff :  litany rocked!!!!!!!!!!!  they were so good, and
can't believe more people weren't getting into it.  after they were finished,
members of the band were just kind of walking around, and i talked to a few of
them, and i was just thinking, why can't amy and emily do that?  and then i
started looking around, thinking maybe they *were*  someplace around, but,
sadly, i had no luck in finding them :(

sister 7 also rocked incredibly, and maybe i'm biased because the lead singer
looks and moves just like my friend helen, but i think they were just amazing
:)      the lead singer was very cute, and she was a mad percussionist also like
my bud helen. . . .i was just very happy while they were playing.  i tried to
get one of their cd's, but by the time i got to the tower booth they were sold
out, so on that note if anyone has a chance in the future to get their album
and then decides they don't want it or something . . . . . . . .  not likely i
guess, but i had to mention it:)

this is getting long so i'll skip to ig. . . .
         it was my first time seeing them live, and i was just a little worried
because while sinead and me'shell were playing people were just kind of
wandering around and not paying attention or getting into it and i didn't feel
very connected to the music.  but when ig came on i forgot all about the rest
of the audience. . . and i kind of lost it for a second.  seriously, i was
close to hyperventilating. . .but luckily i didn't lose consciousness :)
anyways, they were great and awesome and amazing, and i didn't write down the
setlist but it was the same as the kansas show that somebody already posted,
maybe in a different order.  they started off with chickenman, which was
incredible, and they played down by the river, which i wasn't expecting.  i
tried not to take my eyes off them because i was scared it would be over too
soon, but at one point i did look back to see my entire section (h)  sitting
on their butts and kind of giving me strange looks. . . so if anyone was there
in sec h, i was the one with the wild hair losing her mind and dancing fast to
ghost :)  also, if any of you listees are a kind of old man with facial hair
who was sitting in seat 28 of row e, thanks again, you know what i'm talking
about.
more songs : galileo, closer to fine, cut it out, the water is wide, i don't
wanna know, . . . . i can't remember the rest :)

ok, this didn't make a whole lot of sense, i'm sorry, but i'm just really
exhausted and not thinking clearly, and visions of amy *rocking* with her
guitar keep running through my mind, and while that's not an entirely bad
thing, it is really not condusive to clear thinking and writing :)

if you got this far, thanks, and if you're entirely annoyed with me at this
point, sorry!
emily

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hey!!!

i just wanted to say that i saw lilith at deer creak last year. the crowd was
not like you said as *in to it* as my friend patty and i.

last year patty and i got to push our wqay up to the second row to watch the
girls set and it was amazing!

glad you got to see them! i will be seeing them in 2 weeks in long island.

babs

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in a message dated 7/5/98 4:25:25 pm eastern daylight time, wishmonstr@aol.com
writes:

<< it seems they are
either closely associated with current gay culture, or completely separated
from it. which should it be? >>

as a straight fan of 10 years , i'm still baffled as to why the girls aren't
huge (think bob dylan, think joni mitchell) stars.  i get so much flack from
family and friends about that "gay college folk" group i love so much, and i
keep trying to tell them that ig is so much more than a college band, so much
more than folk, and so much more than two lesbians singing for the cause.
what's with that???  not that they aren't well respected in the industry, cuz
i think they are, but it does strike me that they've somewhat fallen into a
very small niche.  (i noticed one of the lilith reviewers marvelling over how
these two lesbian folkies could rock out!) is it that they don't want or seek
superstardom?  is it that sony doesn't market them toward that end?  who
knows.

now as for the dyke v. femme discussion.  i'm fascinated by all of y'alls
remarks.  to me, they seem butch, but then i'm not gay so i'm not totally
cognizant of what gay people mean when they say someone looks butch.  i know i
laugh my ass off when i look at those old videos and even the rop album cover.
so heavily made up, so not them.  that look doesn't become them at all and it
makes me wonder if some poor label person was trying to make them look like a
girl band who would sell a lot of records.  like ann and nancy wilson of heart
for those of you old enough to remember them.  oh well, just speculatin.  i
think they've found an image which suits who they are, and it is...the camper
image.  that image thing is a big part of the record industry, and even though
it's unfortunate, their camper image may be holding them back somewhat since
the fickle world likes to see women looking more dolled up.  that is so lame.

also, i just want to say while it's on my mind: we have a lot of younger
listees just now, and i really enjoy your fresh ideas and commentary.  you
guys are clearly trying to make a path for yourselves in a changing world, and
i respect the gusto you seem to have.   mine kind of dulled down as life got
harder , and you guys remind me of some good stuff.  keep it up!!!

bonnie

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hi y'all.....

after i posted the earlier messages i found out that the anatara wb site
address has recently changed.....the correct url is:

http://members.aol.com/anatara1/anatara.htm

my apologies....

peace & harmony,
tim

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quick- what ig song is on the philadelphia soundtrack? thanks!

leslie

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got my answer...... thanks brett!
leslie

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aloha, for the second time today :) !
        someone was speculating as to why indigo girls aren't really really huge, and
my sister had a thought on that a while back.  while we were watching ig on
letterman, she turned to me and said "you know, the reason they aren't hugely
popular is because they aren't conventionaly beautiful".  and it made me
think, because we all know that they make really great music, imo the best
music being made right now.  but it is true that they don't look like, say,
jewel, who *is* hugely popular, and  who in my opinion isn't as talented as
amy and emily.  it just made me think, because it is kind of frustrating the
way a lot of people haven't even heard of them. and in my experience most
people who listen to them for the first time tend to like them alot. and also
i should say that imo they are beautiful, partly i think because they make
such beautiful music.
        just wanted to throw that out there :)  anybody else have an opinion?

emily

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hey there, hi there, ho there,

i was thinking it was because the ig's weren't marketing
themselves, at all, at all...
maybe they are just happy as they are.
maybe they get enough of the limelight as it is, and anymore
would be invasive, they do like their privacy after all...

anyways,
lynda

>>> emily kropp <emistar919@aol.com> 6/july/1998 02:07pm >>>
"you know, the reason they aren't hugely
popular is because they aren't conventionaly beautiful".
just wanted to throw that out there :) anybody else have an
opinion?

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 19:43:26 pdt
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that's really true..cuz ugly people don't make good videos..*l* no
seriously though look at lilith fair..sarah m, paula cole, liz phair,
but i dunno natalie merchant just doesn't do it for me, when it comes to
being pretty emily's a heck of a lot prettier than natalie, even in a
conventional sense. and look at missy "misdemeanor" elloit. i dunno i
think it's the lesbian factor, because even though they're not
"beautiful" in a media point of view, they're a lot more beautiful than
some people..
(and really i think emily's prettier than jewel too!)
i still think people are threatened by their "butchness"..and like
another listee said..straight people totally have no idea what butch
is...have you noticed this? i can't tell you how many times i've argued
with people about whether or not amy & em are butch. and kdlang, i'm not
a fan of hers but she's not "totally butch"..at least not in my
opinion..
not when you compair 'em to like lea delaria (s/p?) now she's butch..
anyhow...

*hugs*

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date: sun, 5 jul 1998 22:44:10 edt
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hi y'all.....

artists who are huge usually become that way primarily because of media
hype.... with modern technology, anyone can make a hit record.... in fact,
record companies generally prefer lesser talents that they can mold and
manipulate over the tortured artist who puts his/her heart and soul into his
work.... the truly amazing thing is that the girls got signed to a major
label at all, given the fact that their image and their sound can not be
easily dispensed like the latest mconehit wonder.....

let's face it....society loves pigeonholes.... after all the publicity
surrounding the recent high school tour, the average casual record buyer now
has an image of a couple of lesbian singer/songwriters, as if their sexual
orientation defines them as human beings.... old stereotypes never die....

the other thing working against them is intelligence.... the vast majority of
people don't want to think.... they're quite content to sit back and watch
life pass them by on tv and let pat robertson or rush limbaugh form their
opinions for them, or they're too busy getting drunk or stoned to care one way
or the other....

true beauty lies within.....amy and emily are two of the most beautiful people
in the world....and they have a lot of good company on this list.....

peace and harmony,
tim

<< someone was speculating as to why indigo girls aren't really really huge,
and
my sister had a thought on that a while back. while we were watching ig on
letterman, she turned to me and said "you know, the reason they aren't hugely
popular is because they aren't conventionaly beautiful". and it made me
think, because we all know that they make really great music, imo the best
music being made right now. but it is true that they don't look like, say,
jewel, who *is* hugely popular, and who in my opinion isn't as talented as
amy and emily. it just made me think, because it is kind of frustrating the
way a lot of people haven't even heard of them. and in my experience most
people who listen to them for the first time tend to like them alot. and also
i should say that imo they are beautiful, partly i think because they make
such beautiful music.
 just wanted to throw that out there :) anybody else have an opinion?
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oh wow they rock! they sound like a cross between amy & melissa
ethridge!!

*hugs*
lamia

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hey kind friends,

ok, i've seen the new 3-cd set release that epic will be putting out
(it's already out here in new york city). here is the complete info for
everyone who cares (or doesn't).

it's a white cardboard box (open on 1 end) with the 3 cd's inside.
celo-wrap around the outside.  price of $29.99.  the white cardboard has
some nice gray shading (cutsy is the best way to describe it).  the front
cover has three picutres of the 3 album covers (ig, n*i*s, and strang
fire)--however, the pictures are shrunk down so as to barefly be
noticeable.  on the back, it has the track listings to the 3 cds.  also,
on the back, in the upper left corner it says, "this set contains no
previously unreleased material."

no new songs. no new pictures. no new liner notes. bummer.

my own personal critique is that whoever did the graphic design at epic
should be shot. sitting with all the other "cool" boxed sets it looks
extremely bland. it's cd sized (not even oversized) and from a distance
of 5 feet (with my glasses on), i could hardly tell it was even the
indigo girls.

the only reason to buy it would be to get the first 3 ig cds super cheap.
otherwise, it doesn't contain anything that a collector wouldn't already
have.

look for it in a store near you at the end of the month. e-mail me if
you've got any questions.

cheers,
l'sly

lance s. longwell
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hey all,
i saw the set at barnes and nobel and it was sitting with a bunch of other
sets by other artists with the same type of packaging. maybe epic is
trying to push certain bands....
java
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>
> ok, i've seen the new 3-cd set release that epic will be putting out
the white cardboard has
> some nice gray shading (cutsy is the best way to describe it).
>
> my own personal critique is that whoever did the graphic design at epic
> should be shot. sitting with all the other "cool" boxed sets it looks
> extremely bland. it's cd sized (not even oversized) and from a distance
> of 5 feet (with my glasses on), i could hardly tell it was even the
> indigo girls.
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my questions aren't as creative as all of yours, but i have some musical
questionsd for them...or maybe you all can answer them

1) amy, on your songs, do you make up emily's harmonies or do you give her the
creative license for her part and vice versa?

2) which do you write first, the lyrics or the music? do you fit the music
to what the lyrics should should like or do you put lyrics into the music?

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i hear people say things like "oh, she must be butch because she has
short hair, or she must be the femme because she like to wear nail
polish.  when i was younger i didn't care too much about labels but as i
have gotten older i have started to think that there is a little  bit of
butch and femme in all of us.  i don't think that butch or femme can
accurately describe anyone all of the time.

i think that is we can let go of these types of labels, it would allow us
to be individually freeing, and to focus more on the person instead of
being so caught up in your perception of who that person is.

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i personally don't give a crap what amy and emily are wearing. it'a all
about the music,as it should be.

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dear emily:

i was speaking to my brother (who did catch ig with me at no jazz fest in 96 and also saw
them at the warfield in sf, without me, this year); why he didn't say what he liked or
didn't like about them, he was gushing over lisa loeb telling me how cute she was.

ok, how's this for a physiologically-based take....much of the sales & marketing in the
music/entertainment business is driven by men. men will buy a female entertainment
product if the "chick" meets their ideal physical criteria. men will purchase a male
music/entertainment product without a thought of what the male group looked like (i.e.
fastball, smashmout; do i even have to go to blues traveller).

women aren't as judgemental. a woman will buy what she likes; so whether straight, bi or
gay, women are more open to ig than men. not a total definitive, but enough to swing the
balance of their typical audience.

my .02,

melissa

emily kropp wrote:

>         someone was speculating as to why indigo girls aren't really really huge, and
> my sister had a thought on that a while back.  while we were watching ig on
> letterman, she turned to me and said "you know, the reason they aren't hugely
> popular is because they aren't conventionaly beautiful".  .....
>         just wanted to throw that out there :)  anybody else have an opinion?
>
> emily
>
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i will keep this short, but i think the girls performed excellent. the
group meet went well and i meet a lot of other people from sarah and from
who i know on the net. our cool shirts were the talk of peoples wanting to
know how we got them. mom had a fun time except when it came to getting out
of the parking lot. oh, well i had to listen about the parking suition all
the way out of the parking lot. one good thing i heard from her on the way
home was that she did not have a problem with all the lesbians there. i
liked that even though she never acknowledge i was one. oh well she still
has no idea that the rainbow colors i had on were a pride symbol. she was
pretty cool even though i doubt she goes next year. i got the concert of
the ig on tape. do not know yet if it turned out. will play it tomorrow.
anyone else who recorded it let me know how yours turned out. i did score
my blue single today. i was so happy. well i will not bore anyone any
longer. one more thing sarah was sick and did not perform. missy

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me... i always thought feminine was, well... anyone female.
why is it that if a woman seems comfortable with herself and has a fair
amount of success (even weilds a bit of clout in political circles etc ),
folks point out that she's not "feminine". in who's eyes? since when is
feeling comfortable as "you" and wearing clothes that are more suited to
function and comfort, than to the up to the minute fashion, not feminine????
who dictates this? what is the opposite of feminine... "masculine", isn't
it? ... so; uh... anyone who is comfortable being herself/himself, in
behaviour or dress, is masculine ???? i don't get it. < scratching head >.
course, in some of the posts the talk about being "feminine" switched to the
ol' "butch or femme" issue... <sigh> and when you go there, you're talking
more nonsense labels + pigeon holes... in this case however, i gotta say
that a + e are neither, but they've *gotta* be "lesbians"... cause, well,
they wear comfortable shoes.... :-) ( thank you robin williams fer that
amazingly accurate measuring tool in good morning vietnam ).
peace all... kim ( who's gonna sit her feminine lil' self down on the couch,
crack a can o' beer, kick up her cowboy boot clad feet an' watch fried geen
tomatoes for the umpteenth time whilst crying buckets o' those lil' ol
feminine tears... ) <sniff>
oh geez... i is so confused...
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hey everyone!

i updated the concert reviews, resources (tabs) and quotes/articles
sections of my ig pages over the weekend.
check out the link in my sig, if you like:-).

p.s. claudine, i'll write to you tonight about our trade:-).

peace and
take care,
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in a message dated 98-07-06 01:13:01 edt, melissa write:

<< ok, how's this for a physiologically-based take....much of the sales &
marketing in the music/entertainment business is driven by men. men will buy
a female entertainment product if the "chick" meets their ideal physical
criteria. >>

ah yes, exactly !!!
in other words.....they have to be...ah ..ahem...er...****able.....?
(so crude i couldn't bear to type it ;)
;)
claire

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tim wrote:

<< the other thing working against them is intelligence.... the vast majority
of
people don't want to think.... >>

i was thinking along the same lines, in the sense that i don't think the girls
write the "traditional" type of songs that people/radio stations are used to.
i'm talking about those mariah carey (not a slam!) type of romantic/sexy
tunes.  (ex. boyz to men's "i'll make love to you"...)  the girls tend to
write about romantic love (a popular subject in pop music) in a more
intellectual sort of way, rather than a graphic one.  i'm not sure how well
that goes over to the casual radio/video consumer.  i do agree with the person
who wrote that people usually are pleasantly surprised by the girls when they
do take a listen to them.
terri

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in a message dated 7/5/98 11:04:03 pm, you wrote:

<<i still think people are threatened by their "butchness"..and like
another listee said..straight people totally have no idea what butch
is...have you noticed this? i can't tell you how many times i've argued
with people about whether or not amy & em are butch. and kdlang, i'm not
a fan of hers but she's not "totally butch"..at least not in my
opinion..
not when you compair 'em to like lea delaria (s/p?) now she's butch..
anyhow...
>>

the girls being gay might have a little to do with it but then how do you
explain melissa ethridge's success?

i dont think that's why the indigo girls arent huge. they arent huge because
they make intelligent music. how many other pop songs can you name that
mention rasputin or have lines like "darkness has a hunger that's insatiable
and lightness has a call that's hard to hear?"

there are plenty of straight gifted and ever brillant songwriters who arent
nearly as big as the indigo girls, namely nanci griffith, victoria williams,
michelle shocked. and before sunny came home, shawn colvin was toiling in
relative obscurity making really good music. none of those women are gay. none
of them are butch. none of them are ugly.

none of them write simple songs with power chords either. melissa e. does, and
that is the difference.

it's too easy to hang it on the girls being gay.

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i'm so sorry to be such a huge bother, but i was wondering if anyone
offically found out who the ig opening act was for this thursday in
rochester or if it was definitely michelle malone. this will probably be
my last time begging for someone's help here (yay!), so, don't worry, i
won't be bothering you all anymore. thanks!
-jen

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hi y'all...i was in best buy yesterday and i saw in their in-store promo
videos playing on 200 tvs, a song with ig, jewel, and sarah
mcclachlan...i believe it is from this year b/c sarah has her wedding
ring. i couldn't hear the song very well (you know how loud best buy
can be)...anyone know what it could be from?

thanks!
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chickenman! opened it up. so cool to hear that as an opener.
and david ellison has gotten so much better on his harmonica.
he was a total freak last december, but this time he nailed it. :)

they played i don't wanna know which was cool because i'd never
heard that live.  they also played galileo, least complicated,
ghost, scooter boys, down by the river, get out the map, closer
to fine (of course) and amy started playing the chords for the
water is wide a couple of times before emily's got her guitar
brought to her on stage.  there was this pause where amy had her
guitar and emily's standing there at the mic looking off-stage and
amy starts playing that opening a chord for twiw.  i was really
hoping to hear that live (but read last paragraph and you'll see
why i didn't).

they were so full of energy!  it was the highest energy concert
i've ever been to.  i stood the entire time and sang and danced
and really just left my mind for a while.  i was **so** into the
music.  *sigh*   it took me at least an hour to wind down after
their performance. :)  and my friend, who was never really a big
ig fan is now a total convert.  he was realing!!!  it was awesome.

and the big shocker for the night?  sarah mclachlan is pregnant
(so they said, but they didn't seem certain of it) and was sick
and cancelled her set!!!  weird, eh?  :)  some of the people were
yelling out horrible stuff about her on the way out because of it.
i was like "give her a break, asshole!"  but, whatever... all the
other performers came on stage and apologized for her and told us.
it was handled very nicely.

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on sat, 4 jul 1998, melissa singhaus wrote:

> anyone that has a record player and got this album can you make a tape copy
> for the rest of us that do not even own a record player. any volunteers
> e-mail me about it.willing to trade a copy of tomorrows show for it since i
> will be doing the ig performance and adding a little personal touch to it
> since we have a group meet i thought i put some of the conversations in on
> it. i will need tree branches for this. i need three volunteers. i will do
> oct- dec. missy
>

branches? i'm here...

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'twas written:

<< the girls being gay might have a little to do with it but then how do you
explain melissa ethridge's success? . . . . none of them [unsucessful str8
female musicans] write simple songs with power chords either. melissa e. does,
and
that is the difference.

it's too easy to hang it on the girls being gay. >>

amen!  i love mle, and many of her songs are *incredibly* powerful.  but have
you ever noticed how many of her songs go e--a9--f# or b, or some variation of
that chord progression?  there's a reason i was running around singing "if i
wanted to" two years before i even knew who the ig were.
  what it comes down to is marketablity (is that a word?).  what that comes
down to is more than "****ability" and good looks.  as the girls themselves
have said, the world of corporate music, well, sucks.  decent people do make
it to "real" labels, which is why we're all here.  i also think we can't
blatantly describe so much radio friendly music as crap.  often times people
dismiss music because it's popular, but that's bad!
  amy and emily do have very "intelligent" songs.  it's true they're probably
the only band whose portfolio (as it were) covered the spectrum of my history
class cirriculum. (cortes, galileo, zapata, this train revised . . . )
however sometimes songs that don't use words bigger than "embryonic" can have
deeper, intelligent meaning.  as one seattle bum once said, "grunge is dumb
but not stupid."  it's deep meaning dumbed down.
  maybe that does make it easier to sell.  but i think the indigo girls have
been very successful, especially considering they don't get a ton of mtv or
vh1 air space.  they're a real word-of-mouth group and have built a big
following.  both of them complain of the trials of fame ("they're comin' for
us with cameras or guns . . . "), and amy seems to personally fund daemon, so
they can't be doing *that* bad.  sometimes i get the feeling they could be
"more successful" if they wanted to, but who wants more than they've got?
unlike so many generic top 40 bands, a&e seem to be in it because they love
it; the music, the art, and sharing it with others.  to me this whole argument
is like comparing rita mae brown to john grisham.  everyone knows the latter,
less people the former.  but it doesn't make ms brown any less awesome, and
she seems like a woman content with writing bestselling books "no one's" ever
heard of.  the point is (and i do have one) maybe it doesn't matter if the ig
are richer than god, only that they feel successfull in their hearts, which
they have every reason to.

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kim: goddess in her own reality writes:
<< since when is
feeling comfortable as "you" and wearing clothes that are more suited to
function and comfort, than to the up to the minute fashion, not feminine????
what is the opposite of feminine... "masculine", isn't it? ... so anyone
comfortable being herself/himself, in behaviour or dress, is masculine ???? i
don't get it. <scratching head>. >>

ditto.  the above paragraph is more (though not totally) what i had intended
with the feminine issue, rather than the butch/femme thing.  when i was in jr
high, this boy on my school bus shouted, "hey liz!  how come you dress like a
guy?! *snicker snicker*"
  it perplexed me, because i was sitting there in girls tennis sneakers,
levi's for women, and a t-shirt that said "bookwoman."  it was then, at the
tender age of 12, i realized wearing functional clothes, baseball caps, and
being active in student gov't had labeled me "not girly." not the way i had
taken it before, but rather as "not a girl."
  i think our society, national and global, has a long way to go in figuring
out what it truly means to be a woman or man -- and without even touching upon
gender indetification issues.  until then, we're all just gonna be really
confused about everything.  or maybe that's just me.  and kim. :~)

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>>rick writes:
and the big shocker for the night? sarah mclachlan is pregnant(so they said,
but they didn't seem certain of it) and was sick and cancelled her set!!!<<

so it is out on the list - evidently saraha and ash are to become parents (way
cool). i've never had a baby myself but after seeing several very close
friends go through it i would say those people that booed her are just total
jerks.

congrats to both of them and here's hoping she feels better. i bet its made
this tour even happier.

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in a message dated 98-07-05 22:09:39 edt, you write:

<< but it is true that they don't look like, say,
jewel, who *is* hugely popular, and who in my opinion isn't as talented as
amy and emily.>>

oh...i didn't know jewel was beautiful.......

<< it just made me think, because it is kind of frustrating the
way a lot of people haven't even heard of them. and in my experience most
people who listen to them for the first time tend to like them alot.>>

not anyone i introduce to them....oh...except one of my friends liked airplane
cuz em sings so high...then i showed her pictures of them...and she had a
nightmare about them....hehe:)

<<and also
i should say that imo they are beautiful, partly i think because they make
such beautiful music. >>

they're beautiful anyway.....

pax, celeste:)

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in a message dated 98-07-05 22:42:44 edt, you write:

<< maybe they are just happy as they are. >>

yeah...didn't amy say once that she didn't want a hit song cuz it could ruin
your career or sumthin?...oh yeah that was that bad article........

pax, celeste:)

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<< <<how many other pop songs can you name that
 mention rasputin or have lines like "darkness has a hunger that's insatiable
 and lightness has a call that's hard to hear?"
 >>

oh...i get it now...they're smart!!! hehe

pax, celeste:) >>

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what i heard was that sinead got up and announced it at the clumbus (??)
show and that the way amy ray looked...it didn't seem as though sinead had
permission to say that...typical sinead, eh? i mean i love her music and
all but her bedside manner leaves a lot to be desired most of the time...

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way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

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oh man! i wish i had put money on it...i predicted that she'd be
pregnant and everyone was like no way!! i knew it!!

*hugs*
lamia
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and the big shocker for the night?  sarah mclachlan is pregnant
(so they said, but they didn't seem certain of it) and was sick
and cancelled her set!!!  weird, eh?  :)  some of the people were
yelling out horrible stuff about her on the way out because of it.
i was like "give her a break, asshole!"  but, whatever... all the
other performers came on stage and apologized for her and told us.
it was handled very nicely.

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hell all....ok, this is whats going on...

right now im waiting for the tree branches to get me their blanks...once
they get theirs back, i will announce the tree to the list, and you can
start contacting your person..the special is 2 60 min tapes, and ill
repost the set list, this info, and everything else you need to know when
i announce the tree..thanks for being patient- its well worth it!!

with love, and all things indigo

                                always,
                                   jeanette
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>and the big shocker for the night?  sarah mclachlan is pregnant
>(so they said, but they didn't seem certain of it) and was sick
>and cancelled her set!!!  weird, eh?  :)  some of the people were
>yelling out horrible stuff about her on the way out because of it.
>i was like "give her a break, asshole!"  but, whatever... all the
>other performers came on stage and apologized for her and told us.
>it was handled very nicely.
>

well, if it was something *besides* lilith fair...there could have been
a riot!!!
also...wasn't someone just joking abou her being pregnant? didn't they
say "shes not though...." right before they walked off?
hmmm
carol

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the columbus paper this morning said it was a joke...but who knows....

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all was well with the girls, they did ghost here! the other thing, vh-1 was
doing the countdown, at the intro to least # 6, from deer creek. it will air
this friday.

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they announced on the radio today that sarah may be doing another show at
polaris. so, save your tickets and they said it should be towards the end of
the summer.

sarah being pregnant is an unconfirmed rumour.

bil

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howdy all,

    just doin' some channel surfin'.  caught a brief something or other
about vh1 having a women first lilith fair special on sunday, starting
at noon.   didn't catch all the info.
    anyone know if this is a new special or just a rerun of the special
they broadcast earlier this year?!
    thanks for your time :^)

    peace & love,
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howdy kf's,

so, 3 things. thing 1, if you can get a copy of today's san francisco
chronicle, do, it has a great article about slam and a pic of the
girls... it seems slam will tour in easten europe this fall! cool!!!

thing 2, i finally got a red sys promo in berekley. i knew you all
cared. ;) i dig the tom morello mix.

thing 3, (i'm not on the ani list anymore so humour me) i saw ani this
weekend (ani and fireworks in unity is fun fun fun)and she has this
babelicious keyboard and stuff player named julie who i loved and have
never seen before. does she have cd's? does anyone else love her? i
need a support group!!!!

happy happy,

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on sunday, july 12, vh-1 will be showing lilith fair performers off and on
through out the day.  some will be video of songs performed at lilith fair,
others will be of  videos made from singles.  the indigo girls will be on at
2:00 and 3:30.  for more information on who is performing and at what time
check http://www.rockontv.com and click on sunday.

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hello again. *curious* do you all see a & e as being "butch?" hmmm, i could see where amy may be "taken" by some as butch but emily???? never--even when i was "straight"--did i think of emily as being butch! she's way too soft and no butch would ever agree (as emily did on the watershed video) to being a strawberry. black beans and rice, yeah, but not a strawberry! heehee i don't know, i've never thought of amy or emily as being in either "role"--butch or femme. that's my opinion, anyway...

peace,
toye

lamia wrote:
emily's a heck of a lot prettier than natalie
> (and really i think emily's prettier than jewel too!)
> i still think people are threatened by their "butchness"..and like
> another listee said..straight people totally have no idea what butch
> is...have you noticed this? i can't tell you how many times i've argued
> with people about whether or not amy & em are butch.

someone said:
so it is out on the list - evidently saraha and ash are to become
parents

*iiiii* said:
hold on a second! :) :) :) i'm not sure if this is actually true.
*evidently* is the key word here....natalie merchant said "sarah's
sick...etc..." someone *else* in that little group o' five or so (up on
stage with her) yelled out, "let's hope it's because she's pregnant."
*noooooow*, that doesn't really mean she *is.* amy (i *think* it was her
anyhoo) had the mic next and said.."now, that's *not* it...etc..."
something like that...kinda like she was sayin' "don't run out and tell
everyone that..." so, let's keep it under wraps. ya' never know.
hmmm....it'd be nice though wouldn't it?! she'd make such a cute mom. ;)

bethany :)

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have been sitting here at work, scanning throught the various thoughts
on femininity in between the rest of my work...and it all seems very
pertinent to my life right now (okay, i stayed up until two talking to a
very dear friend about identity issues and how i see myself and how much
(whether intentionally or otherwise) i still define myself by how others
see (or how i think that) others see me)...this all being written from
the desk at my admin. asst. job where i still feel very much like i'm
"getting away with something" when i where pants and my pseudo-docs
instead of 1" pumps.

i guess i never thought very much about the girls and whether i see them
as masculine or feminine or conventionally attractive.  i started
listening to them in high school, when my only real fashion concern was
to hide the fact that i might look like a girl--i didn't want the limits
that i thought femininity (i.e. being a woman) would place on my
life...limiting myself to keep from being limited (which is still so
much where i'm at, as mature and 'over it'i like to think i might be.  i
connected to there music first, and didn't think one way or the other
about what they looked like.  i've always pegged emily as being "more
feminine" than amy. the subject matter of her songs, the way they sound.
and when i heard some "rumor" five or six years ago that one of them was
bi- or lesbian, i automatically thought that it was amy.  i had (have)
these preconceived notions...and then i realized my own attraction to
women, and fought with every doubt in my mind that said that no one
would accept me as a "real lesbian".  several years later, its
eye-opening to realize how much i still weave these hypothetical
limitations into how i see myself, and by extension how i relate to, and
present myself, to the world around me.

oh-kay...hope this wasn't too long-winded for everyone. thank you to
whoever brought up this tangent (however marginally igc it is).

if anyone wants to take up a discussion of this, feel free to e-mail me.

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>
>please, pardon the nigc, but this is important news:
>
>****attention****
>
>if you receive an e-mail with the subject: whitewater, do not open it.
>
>this e-mail contains the most virulent, persistent, insidious, malevolent,
>perfidious, malicious virus
>ever. the whitewater e-mail contains the kstarr virus. as soon as you open
>this e-mail the
>kstarr virus will subpoena you to testify before the grand jury. not only
>that, but it will subpoena
>your parents, your sister, your brother, the first girl or boy you ever
>kissed and your hair dresser. it
>will threaten you with prison. it will subpoena your librarian and your
>grocer. this virus will not stop!
>when you die it will subpoena your children and grandchildren. it will take
>all of the money out of
>your bank account in order to continue to persecute you. it will hold a press
>conference in front of
>your house and tell everyone about that birthmark on the inside of your right
>thigh. it will secretly
>record your conversations and then mix them with the soundtrack from the
>happy hooker. it will
>not stop. there is no bargaining with it. it is out of control. it will give
>you a bad haircut and make you
>have terminal athletes foot. this is not a nice virus. be careful. don't open
>the whitewater e-mail. any
>time you see the words whitewater, just delete it. if we all ignore it,
>perhaps eventually the kstarr
>virus will simply fade away.
>
>please forward this to everyone you know. people must be warned of the kstarr
>virs!!!
>
>
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you can not get a virus from opening an e-mail. no matter what anyone
says. it is not possible. you can only get a virus if you download
something. just don't download anything suspicious and you're all safe.
so, no one be all alarmed about this stupid resurfacine virus alert.
-jen

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on mon, 6 jul 1998, dan perkins wrote:

> >
> >please, pardon the nigc, but this is important news:
> >
> >****attention****
> >
> >if you receive an e-mail with the subject: whitewater, do not open it.
> >
> >this e-mail contains the most virulent, persistent, insidious, malevolent,
> >perfidious, malicious virus
> >ever. the whitewater e-mail contains the kstarr virus. as soon as you open
> >this e-mail the
> >kstarr virus will subpoena you to testify before the grand jury. not only
> >that, but it will subpoena
> >your parents, your sister, your brother, the first girl or boy you ever
> >kissed and your hair dresser. it
> >will threaten you with prison. it will subpoena your librarian and your
> >grocer. this virus will not stop!
> >when you die it will subpoena your children and grandchildren. it will take
> >all of the money out of
> >your bank account in order to continue to persecute you. it will hold a press
> >conference in front of
> >your house and tell everyone about that birthmark on the inside of your right
> >thigh. it will secretly
> >record your conversations and then mix them with the soundtrack from the
> >happy hooker.  it will
> >not stop. there is no bargaining with it. it is out of control. it will give
> >you a bad haircut and make you
> >have terminal athletes foot. this is not a nice virus. be careful. don't open
> >the whitewater e-mail. any
> >time you see the words whitewater, just delete it. if we all ignore it,
> >perhaps eventually the kstarr
> >virus will simply fade away.
> >
> >please forward this to everyone you know. people must be warned of the kstarr
> >virs!!!
> >
> >
> >
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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 14:51:14 edt
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butch?. . . femme? what i want to know is this: if you are not extremely
femminine. . . ie *girly*. . . then are you masculine?

i'll answer my own question here. . . . i am not a particularly *girly*
person. . . but i am a girl, and i am certainly not masculine. i am just me.
. . .i wear t-shirts and birks and my hair goes in a ponytail and i don't wear
makeup and i keep my fingernails short for musical purposes and that's the way
i am. . . .

and amy and emily are just amy and emily. . .there's no need to label them
"butch" or "femme". . . .they are just women being themselves.

and while i'm on this train of thought, does anybody really feel the most
comfortable in heels and a dress? and if so is it just because they know that
the men they are with, and maybe their mothers, approve of the look? just
wondering :)

emily

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 12:57:08 -0600
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hi guys..

i've been out of town for the past week, so if you've sent me an update
since last monday, it hasn't been done... sorry.. i had to unsub and
run.. but without further ado.... happy birthday to the following!

cancer
( june 22-july 22)
you will find several opportunities for advancement this week and what
you do about it will be the deciding factor in whether you start up the
ladder, or stall where you are, don't hesitate, grab your opportunities
when they are presented to you; the whole family will applaud your
shrewd business sense. a person who used to be a good friend until the
big argument wants to make up, let him, it is good to have friends and
you may find the quarrel was not important enough to come between you.
you will have some doozies of dreams this week so try to remember them
and write them down. need i say, meditate?

july 6, ('56)
nicnelson@hotmail.com (nicola nelson)
"there's a river running under your feet,
under this house, under the street
straight from the heart, ancient and sweet
on its way back home. even in the middle of
the sadness, the everyday madness, the ongoing game,
even when you can't find a reason, still there's a reason,
you don't need to name it... (james taylor)

july 8 ('75)
abstein@force.stwing.upenn.edu (audrey beth stein)
"oh the fear i've known that i might reap the praise of strangers and
end up on
my own....oh i knew back then it was a calling that said if joy then
pain the
sound of the voice these years later is still the same" --emily saliers
"i owe
my life to the people that i love" --ani difranco

july 9 ('63)
pjbattle@earthlink.net (pj)
"look yourself in the eye before you drown..."

july 10
ssteffen@blue.weeg.uiowa.edu (suzi steffen)
"signals cross and love gets lost and time passed makes it plain..."

if you would like to be added to the birthday list, please email me at
joanne.cusick@cexp.com. please include your email address and a quote
if you like.

much love to all!

jo anne

"things are getting desparate
when all the boys can't be men
everybody knows
i'm her friend
everybody knows
i'm her man"
tori amos- "raspberry swirl"

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 13:56:30 -0500
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>>>> > you can not get a virus from opening an e-mail.
>
>right. the whitewater virus alert was a joke! sorry, i thought it was
>obviously that it was a joke and hoped people would get a laugh out of it.
>
>please pardon me. i will now crawl back under the rock from which i came.
>
>peace,
>
>dan

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 15:25:56 -0500
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ok, i know this is my first time posting to this list, and i hate for it
to not concern the girls, but jen i believe it was informed all of us
that we cannot get a virus by opening an email....well...im sure im not
the only one to have picked it up, but it was actually a very funny
sarcastic joke about ken starr...

.....and to add my thoughts......though to me butch/femme is determined
by the inside of a person.....i do believe the girls fall in the middle,
though if we went by appearences i would say amy would be butch long
before id label emily...and yes, compared to lea delaria, a bulldozer
would be femme (lol) !!
( i met her you know...well i said hey she kinda nodded at me....she was
at a bar in boston i used to go to on sundays, just kinda showed up one
night last year...)

anyway, this is my introduction to the list...so " hey"

-- kim

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 14:02:00 -0400
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well, feel free to rip an innocent person's head off.  that's what i'm
here for.  i was just stating a fact...and that people do tend to believe
that you can get a virus from an e-mail.  sorry...and *i'll* be the one to
crawl back under a rock...

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on mon, 6 jul 1998, dan perkins wrote:

> >>>> >  you can not get a virus from opening an e-mail.
> >
> >right. the whitewater virus alert was a joke! sorry, i thought it was
> >obviously that it was a joke and hoped people would get a laugh out of it.
> >
> >please pardon me. i will now crawl back under the rock from which i came.
> >
> >peace,
> >
> >dan
>
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anyone else while i'm being attacked for expressing a fact? bring it
on...please, lower my self esteem a little more...

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on mon, 6 jul 1998, kim porcaro wrote:

> ok, i know this is my first time posting to this list, and i hate for it
> to not concern the girls, but jen i believe it was informed all of us
> that we cannot get a virus by opening an email....well...im sure im not
> the only one to have picked it up, but it was actually a very funny
> sarcastic joke about ken starr...
>
> .....and to add my thoughts......though to me butch/femme is determined
> by the inside of a person.....i do believe the girls fall in the middle,
> though if we went by appearences i would say amy would be butch long
> before id label emily...and yes, compared to lea delaria, a bulldozer
> would be femme (lol) !!
> ( i met her you know...well i said hey she kinda nodded at me....she was
> at a bar in boston i used to go to on sundays, just kinda showed up one
> night last year...)
>
> anyway, this is my introduction to the list...so " hey"
>
> -- kim
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shadowboxer,

okay, i am making a public apology. i did not intend to "rip" off your
head. i just thought you were taking me seriously and flamming me for
perpetuating the e-mail virus myth. i got defensive and over reacted. i
apologize for any offense. it was purely unintentional.

i really just thought the whitewater/kstarr thing would bring a little
laughter into people's monday afternoon. i truly didn't mean to start a
flame war.

peace,

dan
>

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 15:19:43 edt
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it's a joke!!!!!!! kenneth starr, anybody???

peace,
*erica*

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 14:15:12 -0400
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well, don't worry about the flame war...i'm still in the midst of it...but
i did find it humorous...i was just (as i've said before) stating to
people who may be new to these kind of things that it could never be true.
i never did say that i didn't laugh at it, i just said that you can't get
a virus from an e-mail. simple and unnecessarily flamed.
-jen

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 14:21:05 -0400
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well, everyone.  this is the last e-mail from me...as i'm considering
removing my name from this list.  sorry about all of the trouble and
causing a stupid arguement.  this is ridiculous that people have this much
time on their hands to flame me for saying something that's true.
now i'm off...

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on mon, 6 jul 1998, shadowboxer wrote:

> well, don't worry about the flame war...i'm still in the midst of it...but
> i did find it humorous...i was just (as i've said before) stating to
> people who may be new to these kind of things that it could never be true.
> i never did say that i didn't laugh at it, i just said that you can't get
> a virus from an e-mail.  simple and unnecessarily flamed.
> -jen
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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 15:34:36 -0500
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i apologize for sounding rude in my reply, i just found it very funny
and wanted to make sure noone missed that. i'm very sorry for coming
off as rude. and to add, it is true that you cant get a virus from
opening an email message, but it is possible to get a virus from a
message attachment, so dont download any attachment files that you are
unfamiliar with....

i hope that doesnt sound rude too....i really dont mean for it to....
sorry jen....

--kim

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i have the article i just need to scan it. anyone interested in a copy
e-mail me privately. missy

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 15:45:51 edt
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in a message dated 98-07-06 08:50:42 edt, you write:

<< nanci griffith, victoria williams,
michelle shocked. and before sunny came home, shawn colvin was toiling in
relative obscurity making really good music. none of those women are gay.
none
of them are butch. none of them are ugly. >>

buuut...none of them are conventionally "beautiful" (not "chicks" ;).

but then again ...neither is melissa ethridge, but her songs absolutely
ooze sex .
"sex sells everything ....."
(joni mitchell)

oh well, you know, most of the stuff that is marketed and "popular"
is forgettable crap anyway. artists lg are/have really built a solid
and enduring ( and growing !) fan base that is based on more
than clever marketing.
it also goes both ways...remember jewel writhing around in that slip
in her video ???
it hurt her credibility i think ... remember what ar said in interviews
during last years lilith ? how she had all of these preconcieved notions ?
:)
claire

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at 5:19 am -0400 7/6/98, mmedido@aol.com wrote:

>ah yes, exactly !!!
>in other words.....they have to be...ah ..ahem...er...****able.....?
>(so crude i couldn't bear to type it ;)
>;)
yeah claire...as usual, like a homing missile, on target.

"free your mind and your ass will follow" (funkadelic)

shelley saaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaid:
and when i heard some "rumor" five or six years ago that one of them was
bi- or lesbian, i automatically thought that it was amy.

~~this is really interesting that she mentioned this because i had the
very same reaction.  it was a day way back when (about two years
ago...heh heh)  by this time i had been a fan for 2-3 years and was
unaware of their sexual preferences...a buddy of mine said ta me, "you
know, i think one of the indigo girls is a lesbian."  "hmmm...." i said
to myself (time for a little narration :), "interesting...i wonder which
one is..."  it was a *beeeeg* mystery.  :)  deep down inside though, my
heart was sayin'..."damn...it's gotta be that amy...it *has* ta' be..."
there i was, bein' all stereotypical...just cuz she wasn't lookin all
girly, i assumed that she *had* to be the one.  eventually, we learned
that they indeed, were both gay and ya' know, it was very eye opening.
i felt kinda bad for bein' judgmental...for overlooking emily and
tagging amy as the gay chick.  just goes ta show that it doesn't  matter
*what* ya' look like...you can be gay and look like amy, you can be gay
and look like emily,  or you can be gay and look like me. :) shit! you
can be gay and look like anyone.  man...i don't think i look too much
like a dude, but i really don't aspire to dress all chicky like
either...i like comfy clothes...give me my holey jeans...give me my
t-shirts.  and the shoes! shit! give me my converse!!!  the bottom line
though, is that i don't feel any more or less gay than anyone else based
on my "style."
it's weird...and it's funny because i talked about this briefly with
jilly certo a while back.  it ticks me off more than anything when
people judge on appearances and claim to be "more gay" than someone
else...or claim that "so and so can't be gay because, god!  look at her!
she can't be a *real* lesbian!"  it's all inside, man and no one has the
right to judge anyone else's "degree of gayness"...piss on that!  i
dunno...it just seems that there's this whole weird assed
mentality...too many people think that havin' blue dreds and pierced
*everythings* makes someone *more* of a lesbian than someone else.  it
sucks doesn't it?!  and it's pretty damn sad.  i think we all agree that
it's all a personal choice...merely based on preference.  though i'm not
all dyed (weird colors, that is...heh heh...yeah, i'm a fakey
blonde...)and pierced *myself,* i happen to like the look...i think it's
pretty happenin', but i don't have to *be* that to prove who i am.
hmmm...that was a tangent, huh?!
anyhoo....it's strange this whole issue of "categorizing." i definitely
think it's worth mentioning. :) i'd like to hear your opinions on this!
having to be *one* or the *other.* i encountered someone a while back
and it seemed that they didn't know *what* i was. there she was, trying
with all o' her little might, sayin' "damn, bethany! i don't know *what*
you are!"  hmmmmmmmmm....i wanna know why i have to be anything... i'm a
lesbian, man.  that's all there is to it...i don't look like no dude,
and i don't look like no skirt wearin' chick either.  and i'm
comfortable this way...i think the labels gotsta go. ;) they suck.
now, on to the good stuff! :) heh heh...as far as the whole
beauty/femininity issue goes...(geeeeeeezow this is long) i personally
think that amy is the most beautiful woman i've ever seen. it's just so
strange to try and digest these "outside" views/opinions of the i.g., on
my own (by "outside opinions" i mean m.t.v./media in general...people
who aren't us!)  i don't think that jewel holds a frickin' *candle* to
the beauty of amy and emily, so it was really hard to handle seein' her
as the "poster girl" for lilith last year...her face on the cover of
whatever magazine...etc....but, yeah. at lilith yesterday...some fellow
friends and i were hanging out at the village stage when we looked over
only to see ms. ray standing up in the midst of a bunch of lawn
sitters...good god, she was absolutely radiant.  it's so hard to believe
that others can't see this (you know we all can...heh heh).  i was
absolutely amazed...and it wasn't even the *shock* of seeing her in the
flesh.  nothing like that...(i've been lucky like this once before :) i
had absolutely no desire to speak to her -- i just wanted to stand there
and kind of take her in (discreetly, of course...i wasn't gawking. i
just kinda hid in a corner....in the shade...and just kinda *glanced!*
ha!)i was just amazed because she was so incredibly gorgeous...in this
*really* angelic, ethereal way.  i swear i'm not crazy...it was just
really odd, because despite all of the years of lovin' the music it
suddenly dawned on me...yikes.  y'all know what i'm talkin' about. :)
so, yeah...i think she's incredibly beautiful...and she's such a woman
(ay yay yay!).  anyone who disputes that is one crazy mo fo. :) amy
appears to be perfectly comfy with herself, and so does emily...i love
that about them.  they're not ashamed to say "man, we know we're
discriminated against because we're not "typical" chick singers, but
we're not changin' no matter what people say/think."  shit! that's
amazing to me.  i think they're wicked...and to me, they're perfect the
way they are...it's comforting to know that they love themselves, huh?!
anyhoo, i'm perfectly satisfied with their exposure, and i love being
part of this kinda "underground" following. man, people just don't know
what they're missin'. :)
okay...this is the longest thing i've ever posted...frig!
heh heh...

bethany :)

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does any one have the name of the song that sinead sang accupella
(spelling is bad) towards the end of her set. i thought it was
beautiful. also, what was on emily's shirt.

sarah

ps. i think that the whole pregent thing is untrue

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i remember my first ig concert was attended by me and three other friends,
one of whom was gay (this was waaay back in '89). we met them and my gay
friend (we'll call her gina) was desperately trying to figure out who was
"the gay one." my ego-maniac friend (we'll call her sally) decided that
amy was "the gay one" and stayed away from her because she said she saw amy
looking her up and down and was sure that amy was about to hit on her.
<ed. note: puhleeeez!>

then gina claimed to have met ig again in '90, that am and em recognized
her from the '89 meeting, and that they took her back to their bus and gave
her cookies.  her report?  amy was the "straight one" and emily was "the
gay one."  "amy's dating a guy," she said, "i met him myself and emily told
me that amy only dated guys and that she (em) only dated girls.  wierd, huh?"

since gina was obviously grossly misinformed about ig sexual orientation on
the whole, i highly doubt the rest of her story. i lost contact with gina
but if i ever find her again, i'm going to let her know that i never bought
her story about meeting ig again in '90. i love tall tales.

just thought i'd share...

-kate :o)

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     i'm new to the list, but am looking for four tickets to the 'girls at
     harbor lights in boston on july 11. anybody got tickets? the venue tix
     that are left are all "cafe"-style (ie, ya can't see) and the ticket
     "agencies" are selling $31 for $75 and up...

thanks for any help you can provide.

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oay, i'm completely bewildered by a comment a "worldlier-than-thou" friend of
my dad's made today...he was over for lunch, and i was (surprise!) listening
to the awe-inspiring girls. anyway, here's what he says:

"indigo girls? hmph. it figures. you know they're just a bunch of teeny-
boppers, right? just one of those teenage girly-bands. them and those...spice
girls."

i nearly screamed. just *how* do you put the goddess girls into the same
classification as those *dreadful* bimbos, the spice girls? okay, now i regret
saying that....i can't judge, but how are they in the same category at all?
different music, different styles, etc. i just don't understand it!!!!!!!
would someone who _does_ understand it *please* explain it to me???

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>>>> then gina claimed to have met ig... her report?  amy was the "straight
>>>>one"  ... "amy's dating a guy,"
>   >>>  emily told me that amy only dated guys
>
>
>all right! so there is hope for me yet!
>
>peace,
>
>dan "who has a thing for amy, but realizes the futility of it" perkins
>austin, texas
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hey kids, so far i have received 7 checks, and we are at the big $245!  hey,
it's a start.  keep em coming  :)  i am not sure how much jill has received so
far, but that's that.. just got those in today.  one more week folks, keep
that in mind.

have a nice 'un,
erin t.

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hey, if you are out there, could you please email?

thanks,

trooper

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hey,

anybody out there interested in a ticket to the july 9th show in rochester,
ny?

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here we go again -without definitions.  i mean, what the heck is "huge"
anyway?  popular?  cuz every single human being i have ever met has at
least heard of the indigo girls, and they have a hardcore following.  i
mean, i always thought of the girls as "huge."  not "popular," no - and
maybe that's due to their intelligence and depth, i'd agree with that -
but, numerically, statistically, are they honestly less admired than
mariah carey?  i just find that so hard to believe.  my take is that
they're simply admired by a different crowd - a crowd that can't be
pigeonholed in terms of age, gender, orientiation, race, etc. - a crowd
more interested in music than in image, which makes them harder to deal
with, and therefore they receive less attention.  the record companies
aren't catering to us, cuz we'd require some thought, effort, we're not
cut-out cardboard fans, and we just want good music, and they can't be
bothered.

what a depressing thought. so sorry.
michal

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timothy j. baldwin wrote:

> perhaps "feminine" should mean walking respectfully three paces behind the
> male with bowed head and carrying his guitar case???

if he was any good with the guitar, i might be willing, feminine or no! ;-) but,
joking aside, people still do that here in jerusalem (uh, not usually with a
guitar case!). and i think it has to do with what lamia was saying - that
femininity and passivity are still perceived as synonymous.

> i can't speak for anyone but myself, but i much prefer the company of women
> who are intelligent, caring, and void of pretense....but then again, i might
> not quite fit the record companies' demographics.....:)

umm, how about assertive, strong, and forthright?  i'm sure there are plenty
"feminine" intelligent and caring females.  it's those "damn pushy broads" that
have that masculine aroma to them.  i can tell you all that i look pretty darn
feminine, and as an orthodox jew i wear only skirts, so it's pretty hard not to
"dress" feminine (!) and i still scare the pants/skirts offa people just because
i'm outspoken, assertive, strong - and this in a society which still defines
women's role as an "internal one" (for modesty reasons, oh help!).  so,
essentially, i agree with lamia wholeheartedly.

as for amy and emily, i don't really get it.  do you have to be baring skin to be
feminine?  is there a quota - one inch of skin and you're semi-feminine, the whole
chest and you're stamped 100% pure femininity?  and who defined that?  in dar
william's "when i was a boy" she has a line: "more that's tight means more to see/
more for them, not more for me."  there you go.  she said it for me.  i mean,
heck, maybe bosoms and hips and curves and stuff have something to do with it, and
that's reasonable.  but styles of dress?  puh-lease.

offa de soapbox,

michal

> a personal note: friday night i had the extreme pleasure of playing lead
> guitar with anatara at nietzsche's in buffalo, along with my friend katie
> miller (a wonderfully talented local singer/songwriter whom i frequently
> accompany) on drums.... in over 30 years of performing i've never experienced
> anything remotely close to the performance high i got from sharing a stage
> with these three amazing women.... donna andreef and winnie bergner (anatara)
> sing with the same passion and feeling as amy or melissa.... if you're an amy
> person, you owe it to yourself to check their web site:
>
> www.members.aol.com/wny-women/anatara/anatara.htm
>
> peace & harmony,
> tim
>
> << in the book surface tension, there is a wonderful essay by elizabeth
> wurtzel
> entitled the (fe)male gaze which discusses brilliantly the girls femininity,
> as defined by this patriarchal society which we call home. i think the
> femininity that the folks at epic were referring to was exactly the stuff
> that
> "girl bands" like the bangles or fem2fem had, that appeal which would market
> them to heterosexual white males. >>
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hello all,

it is with great interest that i have been reading all the posts about
femininity/butch/femme etc. without ever having thought about it much
it terms of ig i would peg amy as the 'less feminine' one. i think for
me that has to due mostly with her lower voice since i've listened to
the girls a lot more than i've seen them.

having gone through the process of coming out this year i was surprised
to discover the extent to which a lot of the stereotypes about lesbians
still persist.  i guess i never thought about it until i had to.  but i
would say i've definitely struggled witht the whold
'i don't look like a lesbian/real lesbian (whatever that is)'.  for me
the indigo girls seem to be a source of strength on this point since
most of the time they come across as realistic, normal (loaded word i
know) women.  i've never really seen them as particularly femme or
butch.

anyhow i could ramble on about this sort of thing forever so if anyonw
wants to go deeper into this feel free to email me privately,

sarah

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-----original message-----
>>just *how* do you put the goddess girls into the same
>>assification as those *dreadful* bimbos, the spice girls? how are they in
the same category at all?
>>would someone who _does_ understand it *please* explain it to me???

well, since i am avoiding doing any actual work this afternoon, i would
be happy to explain why your dad's friend compared spice girls and
indigo girls

first the name. both group names consist of two words. each word has a
combination of vowels and consonants. each band name also ends with the
word girls...

but let's move to the music.

indigo girls are two great musicians, who write and perform their own
music.

spice girls are models who "perform" commercials, er i mean music
written by others.

indigo girls know something about music theory and how to apply it

spice girls know something about max factor and how to apply it

indigo girls write music that is socially important and emotionally
moving

spice girls can dance (well, almost).

indigo girls rarely appear on mtv

spice girls appear on mtv so often it makes one want to puke (in my case
once!)

emily saliers plays guitar extremely well

baby spice (or old spice, or cinnamon spice..i get them confused) knows
how to mug for the camera extremely well

amy ray is passionate about her music

spice girls are passionate about their marketing

okay, enough. if you are a spice girls fan, i am sorry...really.

imho, anyone who tries to compare indigo girls and spice girls just
doesn't have a clue.

peace,

dan

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"...amy as the 'less feminine' one..."

thank you...i agree on that one.....i have to say that a few years ago
when i came out i was dubbed the tweener....or the soft butch...i still
hold fast to the line from claire of the moon....where in she is
explaining th edifference between 'butch' and men..butch's like to give
pleasure...that's me...but stilll mustt admit to loving women who can be
strong, play stron and love strong when inclined to....sparkie

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at 03:47 pm 7/6/98 -0500, dan perkins wrote:

>spice girls are models who "perform" commercials, er i mean music
>written by others.

actually, hard as it may seem to believe, the spice girls do write their
own music.  or at least the lyrics.  actually, thinking about some of their
lyrics, that might be pretty easy to believe.  i've got to say one thing
for the spice girls:  at least they do their own thing and don't care what
other people say about them.  other than that, i'd rather drink my own
urine than attend one of their shows or buy one of their records.  but
that's just me.

and btw, i get amy and "posh spice" confused all the time.  come to think
of it, have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time?  i don't
think so.  or emily and "baby spice"?  i think i feel a conspiracy theory
coming on...

-kate :o)

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this stuff about sarah m being pregnant is old news it was announced over
1 month ago on rosie o. show.

eddie

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okay folks, flaming jen was a dumb idea. i mean, i was one of the people
who emailed her to let her know it was a joke...and found out that she knew
that, found it funny, but felt bad for any newbies who might then think you
can actually get viruses from email, and thought she'd do her part to make
up for that.  i can't see why some of you felt that you had to flame her,
even if you had the same impression that i did, that she didn't get that it
was a joke.  jeez, aren't we ig fans?? aren't we supposed to be kind
friends? we're not setting a very good example...
peace,
    sharoane

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> date: monday, july 06, 1998 2:21 pm
>
> well, everyone. this is the last e-mail from me...as i'm considering
> removing my name from this list. sorry about all of the trouble and
> causing a stupid arguement. this is ridiculous that people have this
much
> time on their hands to flame me for saying something that's true.
> now i'm off...
>
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on mon, 6 jul 1998, emily kropp wrote:

> butch?. . . femme? what i want to know is this: if you are not extremely
> femminine. . . ie *girly*. . . then are you masculine?

not necessarily.  the problem here is that people are viewing
gender as an either/or thing.  it's not.  think about it.  gender is
very fluid and covers a wide spectrum.  we have, at each end,
masculine and feminine.  and a wide range of variations in between.
an example?  richard simmons and arnold schwarzenegger.  both are men
in the sense that anatomically they have the same "parts".  but would
we define them as men in the same way?  no.  butch and femme are
largely used in the gay communities as ways to help apply languaage
to some of that spectrum, some of that in between.  not all
lesbians are butch or femme, nor should *anyone* feel they have
to define themselves that way.  those words dont apply to everyone.
and clothes dont define it either.  i have known a number of femmes
who will tell you flat out that they can be fixing the car in overalls
and they would still be femmes.  and some butches who, in a dress,
would simply feel they are doing bad drag (i'm in that group).
gender, no matter how you define it for yourself, is about much more
than clothes and much more than being either masculine or
feminine.

if people have more questions, i'm happy to answer privately to save
everyone else's bandwidth. i'd also recommend a book: "gender
outlaw: on men, women, and the rest of us" by kate bornstein.
easy to read and mind binding all at the same time.

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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
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hey everybody!

i was just browsing the amazon.com site when i noticed that this week's
celebrity picks includes our very own emily. here it is:

emily saliers~indigo girls

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the indigo girls have always been about the harmonious collaboration of
two distinct personalities and songwriting styles. when emily saliers's
warm, earthy voice and studious songwriting meets amy ray's raspier rock
vocals and more reaching, spontaneous songwriting, the two elements
harmonize to create an unmistakable sound composed of emotional depth,
passion, honesty, and integrity. saliers and ray formed the indigo girls
in 1985 and released strange fire on their own indigo records in 1987.
their major-label debut, indigo girls, won a grammy award for best
contemporary folk album in 1989. their 1997 release, shaming of the sun,
is their most ambitious musically, combining elements of folk, world
beat, native american music, and rock.

what's your favorite road-trip album?
little earthquakes by tori amos.

we all have a few guilty pleasures in our record collection. what's one
of yours?
physical by olivia newton-john.

what cd do you play when you want to make people dance at your party?
nature of a sista by queen latifah.

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here's the url, just in case you wanna see in full colour:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/music/recs/celebrity-picks.html/002-7657324-9567865#second

claudine

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hey folks,

this comes from the folk_music mailing list...

-sherlyn

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 02:13:27 -0400 (edt)
from: folkwithjb@aol.com
subject: pennsylvania festival of the arts: barbara kessler/indigo girls

barbara kessler (with trio) will open for the indigo girls this friday, july
10th at 7pm at the tussey mountain amphitheater in state college pa. this is
the first major concert to be promoted during the annual pennsylvania
festival of the arts in state college pa. if your going to the arts festival,
don't miss this show!

more info at www.barbarakessler.com or head to musical.

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i had scanned but not everyone will be able to see it that way so i decided
to type it out and post it since it wasn't that long.

lillith fair survives ill founder

by aaron beck
dispatch arts reporter

music review

july 6, 1998 in the columbus dispatch

  it wasn't as scary as the ozzfest last summer when headliner ozzy
osborbourne didn't show and audience members started having a sod and full
bottles of water at the stage, but it was disappointing.
  at 10:35 p.m., natalie merchant, sinead o'connor, me'shell ndegeocello
and indigo girls amy ray and emily saliers gathered at center stage to
break the news.
  " she's been trying to fight it all day and she wanted to wait until the
last minute to see if she could go on, but sarah (mclachlan) has an upset
stomach and is very sick. she won't be able to play for you tonight," said
merchant.
  o'connor joked, "let's just hope she's sick because she's pregnant."
   patrick leahy of polaris amphitheater thanked everyone for
understanding. no one turned over cars in the parking lot smashed the
windows out of box office or even considered tearing down the wooden fence
around the lawn. heck they applauded because they had had such a good time.
  despite not getting to see and hear lilith fair's founder perform, they
had good reason to clap their hands and leave peaceably - even though early
on it was evident that this was second year of the lillith fair was going
to be a bit more volatile than the version witnessed last year.
  jewish folklore has it that the goddess lilith was removed from eden
after refusing to bow at husband adam's feet. replaced by a subservient
eve, a vengeful lilith returned to eden and forever haunted the chosed
couple. alas, the shunned appartion must have injected some fire into the
systems of each of the four main stages performers.
  ndegeocello started it all off. had everyone packed up their new amnesty
international t-shirts and complimentary condoms after her performance and
headed for congested i-71 they would have gotten their money's worth. the
bassist and singer led her hre crack band through some downright nasty
funk, soul, blues and rock.
  o'connor continued the musif in a loud vein, starting off with the
emporer's new clothes. she sang songs about love, death, religion and sex,
her lush voice seming to hover abover her, an entity all its own.
  next , indigo girls sang chickenman ( with r.c. mob's david ellison
playing harmonica) and shooting someone "down by the river" as high school
girls in sun dresses and halter tops shot each other puzzled looks. crazy
horse-style jam at the lilith fair? why not? the girls need not worry; the
duo ended with its sing along anthem, closer to fine.
  merchant as it turned out, ended the festival. like skunked ber, her
quivering soprano and mush mouth delivery remained ad acquired taste. given
the challenge of taking dictation from merchant or bob dylan, one would be
wise to opt for the latter.

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in a message dated 98-07-06 13:34:55 edt, you write:

<< forwarded from another list:

>>submissions sought for:
>>
>>our high school years: a glbt yearbook - stories of our lives
>>
>>gay and lesbian youth services of rochester, minnesota, is
>>publishing a book of memoirs and poems about being lesbian, gay,
>>bisexual or transgender in high school. the book will be
>>distributed to high schools to help educate staff, students, and
>>parents.
>>
>>the book will be edited by nancy manahan, ph.d., (*lesbian nuns:
>>breaking silence* and *on my honor: lesbians reflect on their
>>scouting experience*) and mary wallace, m.a., of gay and lesbian
>>youth services.
>>
>>submissions should include:
>>
>>. an honest account of the authors glbt high school experiences,
>>positive and/or negative
>>. two paper copies (4 - 20 double spaced typed pages)
>>. one copy on 3.5" disc labeled with author's name and word
>>processing program
>>
>>submission deadline: august 31, 1998
>>
>>address submissions or inquiries to
>>gay and lesbian youth services.
>>po box 91, rochester mn 55903
>>telephone: 507/289-6329

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if anyone has a bootleg of ig at binghamton on oct. 31, i would love a copy.
please e-mail me if you have it and it is good quality.

thank you

erica

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at 01:55 pm 7/6/98 edt, bil tonar wrote:
>they announced on the radio today that sarah may be doing another show at
>polaris. so, save your tickets and they said it should be towards the end of
>the summer.

i hope this is true, but i called polaris today to see if se was going to
do another show or something like that and they said that you can go see
bonnie raitt in august with your ticketstub.  no sarah show.  that is a
rip-off, in my opinion.  i respect sarah a lot and her being sick doesn't
bother me, but should play a show, especially for all thsoe people who came
just for her.  i came for ig and her and i'm pissed about the bonnie raitt
thing. there's no way i'm driving from cleveland to see her. i noticed that
they (lilith) have an off day between cleveland and cincy and also between
cincy and pittsburgh.  maybe she could stop there then.  i just feel like i
got robbed.

rob
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in a message dated 7/6/98 3:06:00 pm eastern daylight time, emistar919@aol.com
writes:

<< i am not a particularly *girly*
person. . . but i am a girl, and i am certainly not masculine. i am just me.
. . .i wear t-shirts and birks and my hair goes in a ponytail and i don't
wear
makeup and i keep my fingernails short for musical purposes and that's the
way
i am. . . .>>

here's the deal:  in my home life, the above description pretty well fits me
(minus the birks - too expensive for me even if they are incredibly symbolic).
i go for functional and comfortable over fussy and girly every time.  i rarely
wear any makeup on the weekends, and sometimes don't wash my hair all weekend.
however, i work for an extremely uptight company which requires the ultimate
of formal business dress every day, so i go to work every day dressed all up
in suits, heels, make up and proper work shoes.  sadly, i get a lot more
attention and respect from people i encounter in my work outfit.  i've often
noticed this over the years, and although it sucks, it is reality.

now, some people take full advantage of this, and never leave their homes
unless dressed to perfection.  i've seen moms at the freaking soccer field at
8:00 a.m. saturday morning in full makeup with fixed hair and cute little
matching outfits.  i'm sure those people have great careers and never miss a
networking opportunity.  me, i roll out of bed five minutes before we leave,
pull up a pony tail, brush my teeth, pack coffee in a thermos, and off i go.
is something wrong with me?  them?  neither?  who knows, but at age 38 i've
stopped feeling inferior because of it.  maybe that's how the girls feel.  my
main focus is not on my appearance, and neither is theirs.  actually, i've
almost started feeling like it's a good thing that i don't worry about looking
my best all the time.  after all, there's a lot more to me, you and all of us
than what's apparent on the outside.  ah, a deep thought.

also, i agree somewhat with the thread about the girls not mainstreaming so
much because of their intelligence. but then i think of bob dylan, one of the
most intelligent and gifted lyricists of our time, and i wonder.

love ya,

bon

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hi,

i agree with the "camper" description. a&e are definitely not butch, but
emily is wonderfully feminine. she is one of those women that make me
wish i was a lesbian-trapped-in-a-woman's-body, rather than a
lesbian-trapped-in-a-man's-body.

most of the concert reviews seem to agree that ig are by far the best
band in lilith, and i was thinking the same thing at the gorge show. i
think they're pretty damn successful for a female act that are not
superficially beautiful.

love,
philip

>barbara kessler (with trio) will open for the indigo girls this friday,
july
>10th at 7pm at the tussey mountain amphitheater in state college pa.
boo hoo!!! why was under the impression that michelle malone was
playing??? i mean, i'm not saying there's anything *wrong* with this
barbara kessler person...but...i wanted to hear michelle!!!
grumble
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it's incredible that antigone40@aol.com mentioned surface tension because i
just reread the essay on indigo girls last week and i really enjoyed the
article but wasn't sure if i wanted to discuss it on the list at this time.

i don't see indigo girls as butch or femme.  i don't believe in limiting and
labeling although i'm guilty of it myself.  i think that in american society
most of us quickly label people as black, white, gay, straight, butch, femme,
etc.  if anything, i think that indigo girls would encourage us to see past
labels and look at the human being.

wmntime

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hey all-

this is a second call....

anyone who wants to have me link their web site to mine (you should have
some ig content somewhere, please) please feel free to mail me and give
me your url.

thanks-
karrie

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bonnie,

as another slightly "older" member of the list (okay, 35), i know what you
mean about the younger crowd having the gusto and all that. but something has
happened to me since i started going to concerts. i'm feeling younger :)

i'm actually happy that the girls aren't real successful.  i'm glad that they
write the songs that they want to write and put activism before their music.
i don't know if i want to see an indigo girls t-shirt on every teenage kid in
suburbia, to have tickets become incredibly hard to get, to have the front of
the stage where i usually stand become a mosh pit.  i like that they have
their little niche and that kids (or older folks like me) discover them in a
gradual way.  then again, if more kids listened to indigo girls and their
positive messages rather than other types of music, this may be a better place
to live....

certainly their music has helped me when i've felt low down.

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bummer, i thought it was gonna be sarah mclachlan...

sherlyn koo wrote:

> hey folks,
>
> this comes from the folk_music mailing list...
>
> -sherlyn
>
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> date: mon, 6 jul 1998 02:13:27 -0400 (edt)
> from: folkwithjb@aol.com
> subject: pennsylvania festival of the arts: barbara kessler/indigo girls
>
> barbara kessler (with trio) will open for the indigo girls this friday, july
> 10th at 7pm at the tussey mountain amphitheater in state college pa.  this is
> the first major concert to be promoted  during the annual pennsylvania
> festival of the arts in state college pa. if your going to the arts festival,
> don't miss this show!
>
> more info at www.barbarakessler.com or head to musical.
>
> peace
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> =-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= a+e=ig
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please y'all are boring me to death...who gives a hoot? lets do
something indigo girl related. is it true that amy ray is pregnant???

karen (who has the flame retardent clothing on and the fire extinguisher
ready)

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i wanted to add to what i said previously about why i like that they're not
hugely successful.  as someone else said earlier, this underground following
is great.  i like meeting someone and finding out that they like the girls.
they're a great topic of conversation!  i was out yesterday with some people
that i didn't know too well.  i had to drive them home, so i put on a tape and
we sang indigo girls songs!  that's what it's all about.  i'm gay, but what i
love about the girls is that they have gay and straight fans.  we listen to
the lyrics, we love the music and we appreciate what they've given to our
lives.

wmntime

yay! *dancing around* i got my lilith pics back! i got my lilith pics
back! i'm putting them on my lilith pages right now if you'd like to
see! there's some good ones of the girls signing (i haven't scanned the
bad ones yet!) and one of me w/k's choice and one of me w/billie myers!
if you haven't looked at the whole page browse around i put the pics up
on their respective pages:

http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/village/6512/lilith98.html

or if you just want to see all the pics i took:

http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/village/6512/all.html

*hugs*

lamia

give me about 10 minutes from now (7:12 central) to get 'em all on the
page k?

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> subject: pennsylvania festival of the arts: barbara kessler/indigo
girls

ok this is totally cool - not only do we know who is gonna be in
boalsburg on friday (will mm still be there too? i swear on her web
site it says she's playing w ig - maybe they will *both* be there?
*fingers crossed*) - but also - i think this answers a question of
mine - and maybe yall can help me out and i can really figure this
out! *grin* ok my question...

i went to see ig a few years back at the university of new hampshire
in durham...i wanna say it was either spring or fall of 1994...and i
*beleive* barbara kessler opened for ig...(ok in question
format...)...does anyone know if bk opened for ig in durham nh at the
u of nh in spring or fall of 1994?? im almost certain its her...and i
wanted to buy her cd cuz i thought she was great...but no cash - and
no one would take a check! argh...anyhoo -

thanks in advance for any help - :o)
take it easy -
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<< we all have a few guilty pleasures in our record collection. what's one
of yours?
physical by olivia newton-john.>>

oh i love it! this is actually a fun song! guilty pleasures are great when
you don't want to take "everything so seriously"

<< what cd do you play when you want to make people dance at your party?
nature of a sista by queen latifah. >>

it's so cool that em likes latifah! i'd love to see the girls jam with her!
missy elliot is ok but latifah is the queen! :)

wmntime - who is pleased that em likes rap because i own many a rap
album--that's my guilty pleasure!

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i've really enjoyed some good posts about the feminization issue over amy and
emily. it's funny but when i first saw their video closer to fine (my intro.
to their wonderful talent) i just "knew" they were gay. that was back in '89
before their were really any mainstream *speculations* about either of them.
maybe it was simply wishful thinking on my part, i just thought it would be so
cool to have these wonderfully inspirational and talented (and gorgeous!!)
women representing *my* era in folk rock music.

i grew up with women like stevie nicks and ann and nancy wilson of heart
fronting bands, and then it turned into the pat benetar years - not that i
have anything against their music. it was the image i wasn't really attracted
to. but like several have pointed out, women rockers were either femmy or
"bitchin'" - remember the runaways anyone???

it's that old "virgin/whore" syndrome - for anyone who has taken a gender
identities course.  people are so used to seeing things "either" "or", you
know, gay/straight, butch/femme.  and mainstream culture narowly defines gays
and lesbians by perceived gender roles.  lesbians want to be men and gay men
want to be women.  so those wonderful marketing folks carry that further with
exaggerated stereotypes on what real women and real men look like.  god help
you if you are a woman that thinks high heals and pantyhose are modern torture
instruments.  you are anti-feminine.  there's a reason some refer to high
heals as "knock me down and fuck me pumps".  keep the woman pretty as a doll
and helpless.

there was a young and very successful woman who used to work for my company.
as she moved up the ladder people began to throw out the rumor that she was
gay.  it didn't have anything to do with how she dressed, she dressed in heals
and dresses and always wore makeup.  it had to do with her independence. she
didn't act like a "helpless woman", she wasn't afraid to show her
intelligence.  i see that happening with amy and emily. they certainly have
shown that they are talented musicians. but they don't compromise their
beliefs to sell a product.  they have a very solid and devoted fan base.  they
are respected by their musical peers - just look at who has played on their
cds and in concerts with them.  they are intelligent women who have controlled
their destiny - witness the charitable causes they have either contributed to
or founded. but what is all the hoopla in the media - they toss out catchwords
like "lesbian duo" - remember all the headlines a few months ago with the
school closings.  now that's all some people associate when you say indigo
girls.

people can be so narrowminded when they are threatened with something that may
or may not be inside themselves. when others around us start up with only
those associations, i think we can remind them (with pride) of who and what
the indigo girls and their music is about.

i don't remember who posted it, but it was something to the effect that amy
and emily are confident enough in themselves that they don't have to sell out
to some marketing gimic. amy said it herself "when you learn to love
yourself, you have dissolved all the stones that are cast".

thanks for reading this far........seeing amy and emily and meeting all the
other wonderful indigohio listees yesterday has really left me feeling
inspired to continue to leave this world in a better place in my own little
way.
leslie

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now i have to ask - is it just me.......? for anyone who picked up their free
levi's poster of sara at lilith (at least the one in columbus) - what's with
the vamp look? i mean, sara is a really cute woman, but what ever posessed
them to go with that photo?

just wondering
leslie

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hey y'all!

so i broke up with someone after six years of a relationship and i'm
left with a massive amount of time on my hands. the advice from my wise
older brother--get a dog or get a hobby.

the hobby is winning at this point. (the dog will probably happen after
this summer is over)

so i was thinking, hey!  maybe it's time to learn guitar.  i've always
been interested, but never really acted on it.  one of those new year's
resolutions that you keep putting on the list year after year.  the girls
really have inspired me.  i've been singing most of my life, but never
learned an instrument.

i know there are a lot of people on this list that play..so do y'all have
some suggestions or websites or faq type things that can
help a newbie get started?  i've done some preliminary web-searching, but
didn't find anything helpful--a lot of sites with tabs, etc, but i'm
looking for real basics.  (i know nothing.) i welcome suggestions on
what kind of guitar to start out with.  i'm looking to start playing
folky-type stuff, you know, ig.  (not too thrashy!)  i am probably also
going to take lessons, but i don't want to go into the situation blind.
(i like to be an educated consumer.)  so if there's *anyone* out
there that might be willing to help me out, please respond to private
e-mail.  i appreciate it.  :)

sorry to waste the 'width...

p.s. incidentally, is there anyone who is going to lilith at spac on july
12? i will be there early, and if anyone wants to get together, please
get in touch!

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hi all,
   well, after taking a couple of weeks due to personal stuff you all heard
me rant about, i've started in on the list survey. it's kind of slow going,
since i'm not the most organized, but hopefully it will be done by the end
of the week.  if there is anyone who is sure that he/she hasn't answered
the survey, email me within the next couple of days for the questions. i'll
be happy to tote them up, too!
   peace,
        sharoane

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is the essay on the indigo girls from this essay available anywhere online?

leslie

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in the june issue of entertainment, there's a lilith article, and when sarah
was asked about her extreme look in the lilith-levis advertorial in vogue (if
not the same picture that is used in the lilith poster, or at least the same
shoot) she said something like, when she showed up to the shoot they started
piling makeup on her...and she had a bit of a conflict with that...and i guess
she wasn't really happy with the pictures levi's chose for their ads.
~jen

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i dunno about the rest of you, but as a heterosexual male, i always thought
emily was very, very beautiful in a luminous, radiant way..........and if
she were my age, and open to a little duet (my vocal range is closer to
amy) and a little something-something afterwards........

<nudge-nudge, wink-wink>

ah, but as sherlyn pointed out, emily herself has sung "i don't know how to
love him".........

oh well. my loss. ;)

sincerely,
ian c.

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> << ok, how's this for a physiologically-based take....much of the sales &
> marketing in the music/entertainment business is driven by men. men
will buy
> a female entertainment product if the "chick" meets their ideal physical
> criteria. >>

i think you should qualify that further to white men...........as witness
the aforementioned missy eliott, there are a lot more successful, not
conventionally beautiful african-american artists. the only white
counterpart i can think of with is wilson philips' carnie wilson, and when
was the last time you heard anything from them?

i dowanna make any blanket judgements about any one ethnic groups'
preferences, but sir mix-a-lot was the one who popularized the term "baby
got back!"......

sincerely,
ian c.

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hey hey--
i've just gotta post this 'cause my email address changed and i need all
those folks who i'm in the midst of trading with (keri, you still want
those aussie tapes?), talking with, etc. to know.  i figure posting it will
prevent me from forgetting somebody important.  sorry for the 95% of you
who don't know or care who the heck i am.  :) my old address was:
holeman@cats.ucsc.edu, and this is my new one (i'm not a student anymore,
i'm *staff*, woohoo!!) :)
so, let's see...i have some somewhat igc ramblings--
lamia, i checked out your pics--very cool.  see that curve sticker that
amy's wearing?  my friend gave that to her because the curve chick asked
her to.  i have a damn cool pic of amy sticking it on.  :) i don't know why
i think that's important enough to post about, but hey i was tickled to see
the sticker on her. :)
oh, and about that spice girls crap--just to add to the frustration, last
year for my birthday, i wanted my mom to get me the live at the uptown
video, and my mom, not being too familiar with the indigo girls at the time
went to this record store in the lovely (sarcasm) fresno, california and
asked them for something by  "hmmm something...girls, but not the spice
girls", and the little hoochie working in the store said something like
"well, there is no other band with 'girls" besides the spice girls".
grrrr....
but, i agree with bonnie--i'm glad the girls aren't big in mainstream
society.  it makes them way more special. :)
ok, gotta go. :)
--leslie h. (who absolutely loves that unconventional, "camper" beauty) :)

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in a message dated 98-07-06 20:48:04 edt, you write:

<< please y'all are boring me to death...who gives a hoot? lets do
something indigo girl related. >>

well, this is indigo girls related.  the fact of the matter is that they are
lesbian and butch and femme is part of lesbian life.  for some lesbians it is
very important, for others it is miniscule.  but butch/femme does exist in the
lesbian community and lesbians are part of the world.

so although this list is not exclusively gay, but indigo girls are gay and
therefore, discussing whether a&e are butch, femme or whatever can be talked
about on the list, imho. like i said before, i don't like labeling. at the
same time, i like a good discussion--and this is one.

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4/22/94
snively arena , unh - barbara kessler opened for one of the most special ig
shows i have ever seen.
i was thinking of that show this past weekend
mike r.

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okay...your right. but it seems to me that the discussion revolves around their
gayness and not their talent. they don't want to be known as the "lesbian indigo
girls" last time i checked.

k-who is delete happy today

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> in a message dated 98-07-06 20:48:04 edt, you write:
>
> << please y'all are boring me to death...who gives a hoot? lets do
> something indigo girl related. >>
>
> well, this is indigo girls related. the fact of the matter is that they are
> lesbian and butch and femme is part of lesbian life. for some lesbians it is
> very important, for others it is miniscule. but butch/femme does exist in the
> lesbian community and lesbians are part of the world.
>
> so although this list is not exclusively gay, but indigo girls are gay and
> therefore, discussing whether a&e are butch, femme or whatever can be talked
> about on the list, imho. like i said before, i don't like labeling. at the
> same time, i like a good discussion--and this is one.
>
> wmntime

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hi,
     actually,i have gotten a virus from an attached document that was
from someone on the list.  last year, it totally killed my copy of
clarisworks.  so, be careful of attached files!

smiles,
allison

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hey all:

well, i gotta admit, twink! and i are pretty sleepy tonight as i write
this, but lilith was a memorable and enjoyable day for us and well worth
the lack of sleep!

don really outdid himself organizing the indigohio event and it was
totally cool getting in at the vip entrance and heading right for a
buffet to kick off the day. it was great to see familiar faces and to
meet new ones, too!

okay, now off to the fair... the first side stage act i caught was
litany... i think they are british and i don't know a whole lot about
them, but i liked their intensity.  it was kinda hard to concentrate,
though because twink! and diedre came over to where i was standing and
whispered in my ear, "look to your left!" and there was amy standing
there enjoying the band.  pretty cool!  as usual, i was oblivious!  but,
like last year when i spotted amy while i was watching michelle malone,
i just kinda snuck a quick peek over there and pretended as if that was
something that i saw everyday... yea right!!  everyone was repectful and
let her do her thing which was cool.

the next act i saw was n'dea davenport.  really enjoyed her energy and
her vocal talent.  after that we were going to head to our seats to the
main stage to check out me'shell ndegeocello, but missed it due to the
fact that sister 7 came on and they totally rocked!  twink! and i agreed
that we are going to have to get their cd right away... very impressed!

we finally made it to our seats in time to see sinead o connor and i'm
really glad that i did.  i was a big fan of hers some time ago and it
was great to have the opportunity to see her again.  plus, the girls
joined her at the end... we are trying to remember the song, but if
anyone does, let us know!  we're drawing a blank.

then of course the girls came out and did a great set!  i still can't
believe that they opened with chickenman!  at this point i was curious
as to why sarah had not made a guest appearance at anyone's set... of
course we know why, now.  i heard some feedback that not a whole lot of
folks were as into the girls this year, but i was pretty oblivious to
that... i think that my vocal chords are still sore from screaming and
singing (as usual!)

i missed a lot of natalie merchant's set (nature was calling and at
polaris, that means a wait) but what i heard and saw were very cool.
she seemed to have a lot of energy and not at all what i was expecting
knowing her past stage reputation. she had a great command of the
audience.

of course, after a long wait we found out that sarah was ill and would
not be performing and of course i was very disappointed even if the
reviews have been reporting that she has not been putting on the most
spontaneous show.  i was hoping that we would be able to cash our
tickets in and get to see her later this year, but looks like that's not
going to happen.  twink! made a good point, though.  even after finding
out that michelle malone was not able to make the carlisle, pa show to
open for the girls, we were disappointed, but we still got a great
indigo girls show.  i wouldn't have had the appreciation for shawn
mullins that i have now (we have worn his latest cd out!) had he not
filled in for the ill michelle at dickinson... and yesterday at lilith,
we got the chance for a great list meet and had a totally great day,
anyway!

we spent the morning shuttling folks back to the airport and now we're
ready to crash! can't wait till lilith 99!!!

:)
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>the way amy ray looked...it didn't seem as though sinead had
>permission to say that...

yeah, sinead said something to the effect of "who knows, it might be
from the *baby*..."
and then amy went to the mic and said, "...but it's not... uh, heh."

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come to think
>of it, have you ever seen them in the same place at the same time? i
don't
>think so. or emily and "baby spice"? i think i feel a conspiracy
theory
>coming on...
speaking of fueling conspiracies...
cd-101 played some neil finn last night.
amy was in town.
amy was on polaris' grounds.
wasn't that the cd-101 van that was apparently stalled and not going
nowhere for a while... on those very same grounds?!
you tell me which radio van ms. ray dropped into and compelled to play
some more of her... er, i mean, some of finn's music..?
i rest my case.
jill

ah, and speaking of coincidences, last night, said radio station also
played "debaser", off of the pixies' doolittle.

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in a message dated 7/6/98 8:47:51 pm eastern daylight time,
karenfrey@redrose.net writes:

<< please y'all are boring me to death...who gives a hoot? lets do
something indigo girl related. >>

karen, please!!  this is the only discusssion i've enjoyed enough to
participate in for some months now - but i guess even a good thing can go too
far.  this reminds me of the discussion regarding the michigan women's
festival, which i thought was one of the better discussions ever on this list,
but which certain people didn't want on the list any more.    likewise, i was
enjoying the butch/femme discussion - i guess that whole lesbian image thing
has always fascinated me (not to mention that appearance in music marketing
thing).  oh well...see ya next time

bon

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>
>does any one have the name of the song that sinead sang accupella
>(spelling is bad) towards the end of her set.  i thought it was
>beautiful.  also, what was on emily's shirt.
>
>sarah
>
>ps.  i think that the whole pregent thing is untrue
>

emily had on a sea monkeys shirt.

liz

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yeah..and you know, it's hard enough as it is to get decent seats for an
ig concert...so that would really be bad if everyone decided to jump on
the indigo bandwagon the way they all did for sarahm

*hugs*

lamia
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come in today and have 43 in her inbox, read 'em, leave for a couple
hours come back and have 46 new ones*
tragically behind....

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pray for eternity to fly
don't understand but how i try
if you're not scared, why am i?"
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does anyone know if
> >>our high school years: a glbt yearbook - stories of our lives
accepts submissios from non-minnisotans?

thaks.

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ha!!!

amen to that sister!!!!! move on people; i was outa town for 3 daze and i
am outa my mind now from reading the femme/butch threads....and i never delete
a post until i read the whole thing, (just my obsessive/compulsive thing i got
going on..) (:
i love ya all so don't take it personal, "k"? alright then, let's move on.

praise to karen for stopping the insanity!
~jennifer

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date: mon, 6 jul 1998 23:27:23 -0400
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you were close to amy...you were close to amy....
and emily...but...
you were close to amy.,...*drools uncontrollably*

*smiles benignly*
i'll be a mess at the musikfest :)
--audra

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

*****

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just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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>
> i agree with the "camper" description. a&e are definitely not butch,
but
> emily is wonderfully feminine. she is one of those women that make me
> wish i was a lesbian-trapped-in-a-woman's-body, rather than a
> lesbian-trapped-in-a-man's-body.
>

thats so cool, yeah.  as far as being 'campy' or 'camper' - i dont
think you can get much better than that...really.  that description -
'camper' (i tend to wanna say campy but i think it means the same
thang) - it encompasses so much...for me, really it means down to
earth, comfort...and in regard to amy and emily (and something i wish
more people could have...myself included...)- comfort inside
themselves too...i dig that.  they know who they are...shit - thats
cool.  just watch 'watershed' or 'live at the uptown lounge' or
anything more recent - (i know looks can be deceiving - but they look
confident and happy...) - i've never seen two people more *aware* of
who they are - damn, i appreciate that...i *respect* that...i want to
be at that point...i honestly believe that amy and emily are as
'popular' as they want to be...i mean we've all read those articles
where they say that they totally dig the small venues...i think
(nopes, i know) that means something...and i think that kicks ass...

i think i have some more points...but im gonna have to bring em up in
another post...rock on.

take it easy -
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ahhh - i know this is bandwidth (bandwith...ha) but i have to agree!!
really i just wanna say rock on sister friend!

u rock.
sunny

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> bonnie,
>
> as another slightly "older" member of the list (okay, 35), i know
what you
> mean about the younger crowd having the gusto and all that. but
something has
> happened to me since i started going to concerts. i'm feeling
younger :)
>
> i'm actually happy that the girls aren't real successful. i'm glad
that they
> write the songs that they want to write and put activism before
their music.
> i don't know if i want to see an indigo girls t-shirt on every
teenage kid in
> suburbia, to have tickets become incredibly hard to get, to have the
front of
> the stage where i usually stand become a mosh pit. i like that they
have
> their little niche and that kids (or older folks like me) discover
them in a
> gradual way. then again, if more kids listened to indigo girls and
their
> positive messages rather than other types of music, this may be a
better place
> to live....
>
> certainly their music has helped me when i've felt low down.
>
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this is for all of you poor sods who couldn't be there in the flesh for
the intrigue, the excitement, the waffle house that was...
<booming wwf voice:>
indigohiooooooooo!!!

the second i got to the gate, i saw someone in an indigohio shirt.
ahhh. i was amongst family. and what a wondrously large family we
were...
it's always the funniest thing to finally get to see listees in the
actual flesh after you've already determined in your head what they'll
look like... rick is not the scrawny kid i figured him to be...nor is
mel south, uhm, quite what i, er, expected! ;) hee. (note to listees:
she's a really, really big butch dyke. i *swear*). but what was most
unnerving was how everyone kept coming up to me, standing there for a
second, and then, after examining my face, saying, "okay, so *that's*
what jill looks like!" uh-oh.
so anyways, we ate. and ate. cobbler in a cup was heavenly. as was
forgetting my water bottle in the catering tent. when i left my fellow
snot-nosed little listpunks (bethany, shannon, carol, et al.) to
retrieve it, who did i see striding purposefully down to the second
stage but ms. ray. hee. so uhm yeah that was nice. equally nice was
seizing advantage of the ensuing adrenaline surge and falling into step
with her to say hi and give her a book (blue highways, by william least
heat-moon... go read it!!! amazing). karen rosenblum, indigohio
defector to california, finds this so hilarious-- i walked up to her,
smiled, and leisurely said, "hey amy, i've got a book for you. is it
okay if i give it to ya now?" well hells yeaahhh!
then deidre and twink (?) came over, and i just remember the child
wonder standing there, beaming up, gesticulating madly, squeaking in
that 4th-grade dialect about our present for sulli or i-don't-know-what,
i couldn't hear. amy and twink smiled down at her until the squeaking
ended. of course i had to run over to my clan o' punks (as ani difranco
wannabes are wont to do, eh?) and give a full report, in response to
which bethany lost all knee support, shannon gaped, and carol spazzed.
quite a kodak moment.
speaking of photos, nobody's gonna put up any photos of me on the web,
right mel?! um.
carol's electronic sunflower was a hit, gosh that thing was cute. (they
liked it!!! they really liked it!!!) of course, this means she *must*
go to boalsburg-- she forgot to give them the extra lightbulbs for the
eyes!
sister 7 kicked my ass so hard. oh wow. the lead singer is beautiful,
and she did an amazing job on her verse on closer to fine. definitely
check them out!
the girls' set was <insert radiantly positive, gushing adjective here>,
as usual :) the halter-topped high schoolers (someone else mentioned
them) sitting behind us were maybe a tad frightened by the spastic way
in which we danced to the set. i don't wanna know: "it's a
hootenanny!" blew me away to hear it live ("shnikeys!" says bethany).
it was an amazingly fun day; i guess the moral of the story is, ya hang
with listees like we've got, you have a great time. from gazing up to
see cathy ("it warn't a good day to wear an ugly bra") standing up for
the lookout on a cement pedestal among the vendors, to receiving don's
bear hugs at every opportunity (oh and anna creech's too!!!), to oh my
did i *kiss* kate?! (the gift of love is nice and inexpensive), it was
the most fun i've had in, like, forever. hearing one of our number (who
shall remain nameless... ahem... ), upon hearing that the person she was
talking to had used the same *toilet* as the girls, bellow, "can i touch
your ass?!", was one of the high points, i must admit. as was the
waffle house (*how* many ways to eat a hamburger at waffle house, lisa?)
we overtook after waiting two hours to get out of the parking lot ("i'm
up for food," said barb to twink, and we all followed suit... a
seven-car caravan on the highway!). delirious from the bacon grease,
carol and i discovered our true calling as opera singers (the lion was
not sleeping that night, with all that ruckus), much to the shift
manager's chagrin. she rather enjoyed our rendition of "twink!le
twink!le little star", though.

innumerable thanks to don richards, the ringleader and maker of all this
madness (which wasn't too much sorrow-- see, we all made it to
tomorrow). send him email hugs and kisses, cause he sure deserves them.
and some rest.

i'm not really that insane, y'all just make me so happy, is all.

jill

"...i'm sitting in the bathroom... and *all* i can think is, 'my god,
i'm peeing within a mile of the indigo girls!" --anna creech

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 01:32:08 edt
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in a message dated 98-07-06 21:41:25 edt, you write:

<<
okay...your right. but it seems to me that the discussion revolves around
their
gayness and not their talent. they don't want to be known as the "lesbian
indigo
girls" last time i checked. >>

i know they don't want to be known as the lesbian indigo girls. and i have
said before, maybe not in my note to you but certainly on other posts or in
conversations with my friends that i am happy that straight people like the
indigo girls. the indigo girls are for everybody. when i see straight people
at concerts, i just think it's so cool!

but the fact is that the girls are queer and when emily says "i'm gay" in
"it's alright" it really affects me because i'm not out to a lot of people and
here is someone that i admire saying that she is gay...she's not afraid to say
it to the world.

so if some of us want to discuss butch/femme here for one or two days, what's
the big deal? some of us lesbians may be trying to work it out for ourselves
and maybe get some kind of inspiration from a&e....at the same time, of course
this list is not inclusive and if the discussion was to go on for a longer
period of time, i could see where you'd have a gripe.

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oh please promise me we'll do it again when i can actually
go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*hugs*

lamia
*who is going to bed before 1am cuz she's tired of speculating what lel
and her little boyfriend are doing in the darkened living room...*
he's spending the night can you believe it? my b/fs were never allowed
to spend the night when *i* was going through that phase..what the hell
are my parents thinking? they're 15 years old..! i'd make a bad parent i
can tell..aside from my thoughts of "oh that's so gross" i'm remembering
what it's like to be 15 and how much you can get away with in the
backseat of a car when your dad is driving..let alone what you can do in
a dark room when your parents are sound asleep and your overprotective
sister is ranting about you too 700-some odd people on an indigo girls
discussion list! it boggles the mind it really does..
ok oops! where did that come from? i don't even know...*b*
sorry ya'll..i appologize...

nite!

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 01:06:37 pdt
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it's the whole "girls" thing, ya know spice girls, indigo girls, to some, it's all the same. when i first heard the name indigo girls, i thought of a band full of go-go girls! so i thought they must be just like that band, the go-go's from the 70s. live and learn, huh?
hee
toye

> "indigo girls? hmph. it figures. you know they're just a bunch of teeny-
> boppers, right? just one of those teenage girly-bands. them and those...spice
> girls."

> i nearly screamed. just *how* do you put the goddess girls into the same
> classification as those *dreadful* bimbos, the spice girls?

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wow! to me, tickets are hard to get!
toye

> write the songs that they want to write and put activism before their music.
> i don't know if i want to see an indigo girls t-shirt on every teenage kid in
> suburbia, to have tickets become incredibly hard to get,

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ok i'm reading the lyrics to blood and fire, and something i had totally
forgotten popped into my mind. a while back, a year? 6 months? i was
reading 17 magazine (yes ok guilty secrets, i subscribe) and someone had
written a thing for their college zone, about their college experience,
and how they bonded with the dorm folkies one night after singing
blood&fire really loud...
anyone ever hear about that?? i think i'm going to try to find it..i'm
still looking for the k's choice thing i know i saw...
yes another guilty secret not only do i *get* these magazines but i
*keep* them...
*l* i swear it's bedtime now!

*hugs*

nite ya'll

lamia

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hey y'all--
i was recently at a sarah mcl. concert, or maybe i heard this at the
vh-1 special on the tube....
sarah said that we'd be hearing from camille very soon, alluding that
she might be coming out with a record.
i think maybe camille was singing back-up for sarah and at the same time
trying to get a record deal, etc.
lauren

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while watching the indigo girls at the columbus lilith, i came up with
a theory about amy's fashion style. i think she does this
intentionally to see what people say about it in their fashion reports
to the list.

;)
anna

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at some point after the ig set at the columbus lilith, i struck up a
conversation with a guy who was sitting behind me.  he said that he
had heard that the girls have already recorded three songs and are
working on an album that is going to be released in nine months.
anyone else hear about this or was he just drunk?  i had to question
the credibility of his information because he also said that they did
some of the new songs in their set...but none of the songs they did
were new.  (i think someone has already posted the set list.)

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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

hkf's,

i talked w/ some of the security at polaris after the announcement and we
were talking about when ozzy cancelled last year - he came back and
performed. (along w/ some local opener)  therefore, i'm still going to wait
and see what happens - maybe an official announcement from sarah or lf or
something.  (the manger guy said to listen to local radio... so maybe
something else will happen.)  just like natalie or emily said how she
(sarah) has never done this ever or hasn't missed a show in years...  i'm sure
the organizers will do a little more than just pass us over to another show.
i just hope she'll be able to continue w/ the whole tour - which if you're
sick seems to be a very grueling thing.

(btw, she was amazing at deer creek - i couldn't believe in 24hrs she could
get so sick she couldn't perform)

8-)

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hey, all...

first of all, mad props to the sticker folks for making the grand "a + e =
ig" hoo-ha's, and thanks to the wonderfully cool arin for giving me one in
exchange for only one harp beer. the proclamation of indigo-ness looks
mighty fine on my vehicle.

secondly, the ig setlist that julie (goddess of goodness and guitar) scored
in nm is now available for viewing. fire up the browser of your choice and
point it to:

http://amarillonet.com/ads/setlist.jpg

and enjoy.

love,
j u s t i n

p.s. -- i made up a joke in church sunday, and i share it with you all now,
knowing full well that you will likely rupture something while laughing.
feel free to share it with all your friends.

you know the guy that makes coffee at [insert your favorite local hip
coffee joint here]? what's his favorite book of the bible?

hebrews.

ohmygoshdat'sfunny!

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i had asked a couple times if anyone has a decent vhs copy of the show ig did in london, i think in 1995...i got a couple responses, but they were from folks who wanted a copy of mine, even with the bad quality. i got "delete key" happy and lost those messages. kindly email again & i'll see what i can do.

now, i know someone has to have a good copy of this. pleeeaaassseee??? also, has no one even seen this? i have watched it again. i used the excuse of trying to see sharon jennings and figure out who she and her friends were... :) but i have just enjoyed watching emilly so much that i keep watching it over and over. and the songs they did! songs they don't do frequently anymore. like...fugitive, dmh, ttr. i love the way they did h & an. it was "messy" like i think a live version should be, with emily adding extra "yeah's" through it and she also sings the "person on the street" line. and ttr!! wow!!! amy and emily are both sooooo intense. i just love the way amy keeps saying, "all, aboard, all aboard...." at the beginning after the jacob's ladder part then that incredible "1,2,3,4..." before they go into the begginning of the song!!! emily is great here too, so into it, as she was on so many songs at this show. you can see her face contorted and forehead wrinkled as she sings her backing vocals..."thi i i s trai ai ain!" i'm telling you...awesome! now if i could just hear good sound quality while i'm watching this, i could probably say a lot more. but if you haven't seen this concert, or haven't watched it in a while, go back and do so...you will fall in love with emily!!! yes, i said emily! ;)

and, dammit! i need a decent copy!!!

toye

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did anyone happen to boot the girls set at the columbus lilith? this
was the first time i ever saw them perform live and i wanted a momento
from it.
thanks,

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hey y'all!--
i am learning how to play the guitar also, and i was wondering what
ig songs are the easiest to play for beginners?
thanks,
lauren

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on tue, 7 jul 1998, mike cunningham wrote:

> i hope this is true, but i called polaris today to see if se was going to do
> another show or something like that and they said that you can go see bonnie
> raitt in august with your ticketstub. no sarah show.

   well, it could be worse -- they're not legally obligated to compensate
anybody -- maybe try writing sarah's management?  if enough people
organize to complain, something might happen.
   at any rate, try checking bonnie out.  i'm not a huge fan of her forays
into the pop radio world, but deep down inside she's a real blues mama,
and from my brief brushes with her new album fundamental, she's getting
back in touch with her roots.  who knows -- you might hear something you
like...

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at 08:01 pm 7/6/98 -0400, karen frey wrote:

>is it true that amy ray is pregnant???

yes. amy is pregnant with triplets and the father is michael bolton. this
is her second pregnancy -- she already has five kids from a previous
encounter with lionel richie. ;o), obviously.

-kate, who would like to borrow karen's flame-retardent suit...

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okay, well its me again doing what i do best at work. i just wanted to
say thank you to everyone who has posted and/or sent me personal notes
on this whole gender/lesbian/butch/femme/identity thing...i hadn't even
realized how much of the surface labeling i just accept (whether
directed at me or at someone else) and how much of my struggle to define
who i am and what really matters to me is complicated by the constant
worry of how other people will see me. you all rock. bethany, you go
girl...that's the first post i've printed out in a long time.

take care,
shelley (who can be darn comfy in a dress, but has been wearing pants
for the past few days)

p.s. barbara kessler is way cool--more folky than mizz malone, but
highly recommended.

p.p.s. ani's keyboard player...anyone else think she looks a bit like
the drummer for the murmur's?

p.p.p.s. is it just me, or is blood and fire just not one of those
songs that you would think of for a bonding-sing-along? its like the
frat guys i saw in college who were getting drunk to tracy chapman...

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> >>>> yes. amy is pregnant with triplets and the father is michael bolton.
>
>
>
>michael bolton??!! i am so disappointed. i always figured (hoped) amy would
>go for musicians (of course, i'm a bassist, so wishful thinking).
>
>
>
>peace,
>
>dan perkins
>austin, texas

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i'm also hoping to pick up a guitar in the months to come, please let me
know what songs are the easiest for my not-so-nimble fingers!

winona :-)

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> yes. amy is pregnant with triplets and the father is michael bolton.
> >
> c'mon, everyone knows that amy was shaggin' with dennis rodman...duh!!!

winona (who, by the way, is kidding!!! joke!!!!!!!!!) :-)

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well, it could be worse-they're not legally obligated to compensate
anybody-maybe try writing sarah's management?  if enough people organize to
complain, something might happen.
at any rate, try checking bonnie out.  i'm not a huge fan of her forays into
the pop radio world, but deep down inside she's a real blues mama, and from
my brief brushes with her new album fundamental, she's getting back in touch
with her roots.  who knows-you might hear something you like...
darius
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

too bad some people drove a long way (9 � hours myself!!!) and won't be able
to make it to the "makeup" show of bonnie raitt.  i'm sure if sarah was
doing her own tour - she would make up the show.  but it seems that as part
of a festival it would be unlikely for her to come back & play.  i got to
see sarah perform once already on the lf, but for those who haven't & won't
be able to - i hope that she'll do something in columbus.
8-)

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at 10:20 am 7/7/98 -0500, winona patterson wrote:
>i'm also hoping to pick up a guitar in the months to come, please let me
>know what songs are the easiest for my not-so-nimble fingers!

"hand me downs" is working out really well for me.  "closer to fine" is
depressing right now, so i wouldn't start out with that.  and "prince of
darkness" is really hard for me, too.  but "hand me downs" is pretty cool...

-kate :o)

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for all of y'all who are just learning the guitar, theres a really easy
version of joking that i learned when i first started playing....
its gotta be the easiest one to play...not only because it only has 4
simple chords, but because the pattern is real easy too....
basically just goes 2 beats of g 2 of em 2 of c and 2 of d (or maybe d7)
whichever one is 000232 if you have no idea what im talkin about, email
me privately and ill write out the whole thing and how to form those
chords...its a fun song to play....and sing along with....if i hadnt
learned it i mightve given up the self-teaching thing.....its a great
feeling to play a song that you love and be able to sing it and have
other people actually identify it *lol*

anyway...good luck to all just starting out...

peace,

kim

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i'm also hoping to pick up a guitar in the months to come, please let me
>know what songs are the easiest for my not-so-nimble fingers!

"hand me downs" is working out really well for me. "closer to fine" is
depressing right now, so i wouldn't start out with that.

it really depends on what you like to finger. southland in the
springtime is great, and ghost, deadmans hill isn't too bad...language
of the kiss is a favorite of mine.once you get the feel for their style
and all even the harder chords sound better. i am self taught as well
and am amazed at how the songs i could not fo rthe life of me even think
about playing 3 months ago now sound almost like the girls to a small
degree....keep practicing and playing the songs regardless .....sparkie

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on tue, 7 jul 1998, lauren dick wrote:

> hey y'all!--
> i am learning how to play the guitar also, and i was wondering what
> ig songs are the easiest to play for beginners?

land of canaan, ctf, dead man's hill, don't give that girl a gun are
probably the easiest. you know you're getting good when you can match
that new live version of tried to be true that emily made all electric, or
love will come to you...

darius

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hello all,

well thanks to this list i now have a decent collection of boots. now
i'm thinking maybe it's time to branch out into other media. so i was
wondering if anyone has any photographs they would like to trade for
postage and cost of reprinting or whatever.

thanks,
sarah

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i learned much of what i can do now on guitar from old ig songs, so here's
my two cents...
blood and fire is easy...it's three chords, and not too difficult...
if you don't mind retuning, center stage is not too hard, and makes you
feel good about yourself
secure yourself....
strange fire
my advice is to buy the song books and play your hearts out...
peace,
sharoane

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> i'm also hoping to pick up a guitar in the months to come, please let me
> know what songs are the easiest for my not-so-nimble fingers!
>
> winona :-)
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my mom said she heard on the radio that sarah and "someone else you like, i
can't remember who it is" were pregnant, the letter being a "maybe". but
that'd be pretty cool, i think, but weird to think of amy as someone's mother.
would she change? i hope not.

peace,
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i thought kid fears was pretty easy (of course, i was playing the wrong
chords at the time, but it sounded right). strange fire is pretty easy,
don't give the girl a gun (again, no clue if i've got exactly the right
chords, i figured it out by ear) is a great angsty wail-to-it song, and
its only four or five chords...most amy stuff is pretty do-able, really.
for a challenge, try history of us (i'm still working on it--the
fingerpicking pattern is pretty easy even if it has a beggilion chords).
for an emily song, closer to fine is the easiest one i've found.

peace,
shelley (who thinks we should start and underground club of people who
started playing the guitar when their girlies (or boy-lies) did done
them wrong)

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thought i'd let you guys know there's a big arts festival in penn state this
week, wed - sunday.  i've never been there, but its supposed to be a good one.
so, if you're planning on hanging around town, check it out.  penn state's
about 10 mins n on rt322 from tussey mtn.  use web site below for directions,
etc.
http://arts-festival.com
i won't have time to hit the arts festival downtown, but i'm hoping to catch
up with a few folks to tailgate.
hopefully, the festival won't bring hoardes of traffic.  if  you're coming s
on 322, make sure you take the bypass around downtown, or you'll be in the
thick of it.  weather's supposed to be good, keep your fingers crossed...don't
want another dickinson.  see you there.
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at the lilith fair this past sunday, i thought of a new "obsessed"
thingy and so i will share it with all of my fellow indigo girls
fanatics...

you know you're obsessed when you're sitting in a bathroom stall at
the lilith fair and you think, "wow! i'm peeing within a mile of the
indigo girls!"

...the men in the white jackets tell me that a few more sessions in
the spice girls chat room will cure me and i can return to society....

:)
anna

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to kate and all others who need it..

kate, the fr suit is in the mail : )

love you all, karen

kathleen mulhern wrote:

> at 08:01 pm 7/6/98 -0400, karen frey wrote:
>
> >is it true that amy ray is pregnant???
>
> yes. amy is pregnant with triplets and the father is michael bolton. this
> is her second pregnancy -- she already has five kids from a previous
> encounter with lionel richie. ;o), obviously.
>
> -kate, who would like to borrow karen's flame-retardent suit...
>
> :o)
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dennis rodman...ick! if he was the only male left in the world, i'd come
out.

: ) karen

winona patterson wrote:

> > yes.  amy is pregnant with triplets and the father is michael bolton.
> > >
> > c'mon, everyone knows that amy was shaggin' with dennis rodman...duh!!!
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> winona (who, by the way, is kidding!!!  joke!!!!!!!!!) :-)
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i've told this to a couple people, but since there seem to be so many
people learning guitar right now i'll just tell the list.
the first song i learned how to play was fugitive! it's really easy cuz
it's a two chord song just e and a over and over..!

*hugs*

lamia

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at 10:22 am 7/7/98 -0500, winona patterson wrote:

> c'mon, everyone knows that amy was shaggin' with dennis rodman...duh!!!

oh winona i can't believe you still are trying to push this old rumour
about amy and dennis rodman! that was emily who had the brief-but-bitter
affair with dennis rodman! geez! remember she and madonna got into that
huge cat fight on the court at the bulls/sonics game so many years ago?
and emily ended up stuffing madonna into one of the baskets?

and by the way, emily's and dennis rodman's affair was after she shacked up
with john stamos and before her current live-in love, tyler from backstreet
boys.

love ya!
kate :o)

p.s. before i give anyone the wrong impression, i really don't know the
names of the backstreet boys, i'm just assuming one of them is named tyler.

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 14:03:48 edt
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in a message dated 98-07-06 19:12:26 edt, you write:

<< my
main focus is not on my appearance, and neither is theirs. >>

they look pretty damn good for not caring.....;)

pax, celeste:)

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 14:02:48 -0400
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hi! your dickinson boot is in the mail...thanks for the extra tape,
that was thoughtful, and list, so sorry for public post, but karen, i
don't have your email addy : )

karen

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ok, after conversations with anna, toye, and somebody in atlanta who's
e-mail is on my other computer system....i've decided to post everything
i know about ig's studio work.

almost 3 weeks ago, i posted to this list saying that rcam had rented
studio time at the knitting factory here in nyc.  this was during the 1
week period between ig's apple farm show (in jersey) and their
performance at the guinness fleadh here in nyc.  at that time i didn't
know if this studio time was for ig or some other rcam artist (like
kristin hall).  the only response to that e-mail was from a woman in
atlanta (sorry, but her name is on my home computer system) who said
that ig had been rumored to be in the studio in atlanta for several
weeks.  she had said it was "common knowledge" in the area.  with that
said, i have still been unable to confirm if ig's presence physically at
the knitting factory for recording.

however....i do know for a fact that some mastering was done on at least
3 ig songs.  late last week, my friend who works there called me over to
"do coffee."  i went over and he told me that he some cool new stuff by
the l-girls (as he calls them).  went into his office and i listened to
a few tracks by ig.  no, these were not whole songs, they were just
tracks.  the first track was the backing vocals of emily for problem
child (which they ended up playing a few days later at the fleadh).  on
the 1200c version, i don't recall any emily vocals at all.  however,
this was a track of operatic vocals (a la sys) that were nothing less
than stellar!  the other song was karla faye.  the drum track was *very*
weak and needs lots of work.  at one point, the drums stop and it's
obvious that they are discussing.  then it relaunches with a slightly
different line.  guitar and vocals were solid.  to me, the tracks i
listened to sounded a long way from finished product.

now, it's very common for artists who have written songs on the road to
come back into the studio and record a few things just so they have a
record of their ideas. this way they can use that as a starting point
for their album. perhaps this is what ig is doing.

anna mentioned the drunk guy in columbus.  he's on the right track as
far as ig in the studio, etc.  however, his 9 month time-line for a new
album seems a bit optimistic on my part.  unless ig has a trick up their
sleeves, i would be surprised to see an album by them before this time
next year (which isn't to say that miracles can't happen).

and for those who are looking for the london show, knitting factory
released ttr from that show on their g&l legal defense compilation
called "out loud." (this is still commercially available and i picked up
a copy about a month ago). i know knitting factory has a complete
soundboard copy of that show in their archive (and a rumored
video)...but like we'll ever see one.

that's everything i know. here's to hoping for a new album before the
end of 1999!

just sharing my (limited) knowledge,
l'sly

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> p.s. before i give anyone the wrong impression, i really don't know the
> names of the backstreet boys, i'm just assuming one of them is named tyler.

uh-huh, yeah, kate...we believe you....i bet you liked new kids on the block,
too...hey speaking of left field, didn't i hear somewhere about emily and axl
rose? :-)

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if i was gonna pair emily with anyone it would have to be george clooney. and
amy...ummm any guy but dennis rodman...gross me out. is he really a human? okay
the man for amy would have to be....noah wiley....yeah yeah...thats the one!@

karen...who sit wouldn't do "it" with dennis rodman, if he was the only male left
in existance

winona patterson wrote:

> > p.s. before i give anyone the wrong impression, i really don't know the
> > names of the backstreet boys, i'm just assuming one of them is named tyler.
>
> uh-huh, yeah, kate...we believe you....i bet you liked new kids on the block,
> too...hey speaking of left field, didn't i hear somewhere about emily and axl
> rose? :-)
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>>>and for those who are looking for the london show, knitting factory
released ttr from that show on their g&l legal defense compilation
called "out loud." (this is still commercially available and i picked up
a copy about a month ago).

for those of you who want that i saw it yesterday @ amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/b00000208r/002-6721917-3178017
they have it for $12.99

*hugs*

lamia

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everyone i've known enuff to tell about ig (believe me, i don't have to know
them very well) thinks that there are about four or five of them...even after
they've heard them....is that a good thing??

pax, celeste:)

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did anyone boot the lilith at deer creek?  i would really, really like a
copy of that.  it would be a great and wonderful deed to do.  i have a small
boot collection if you're willing to trade or whatever.  thanks in advance.
                                                   -kate

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wow...michael *aaand* amy?! that kids gonna have one helluvah mane.
amy's hair = good, michael's = bad...
amy's hair + michaels hair = one *big* holy frig.
i'm scared...very scared. ha!

bethany :)

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indigowomyn@ruralcom.net (toye) wrote:
>wow! to me, tickets are hard to get!

tickets *are* hard to get, and good seats are almost impossible unless you
have connections or spend big bucks. general admission levels the playing
field, but i no longer have the desire to wait on line for hours or to be
crushed by crazed fans rushing the stage.

glad ig isn't mainstream or it would be even harder.

~susan

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one word:

yanni

on tue, 7 jul 1998, bethany p wrote:

> wow...michael *aaand* amy?!  that kids gonna have one helluvah mane.
> amy's hair = good, michael's = bad...
> amy's hair + michaels hair = one *big* holy frig.
> i'm scared...very scared. ha!
>
> bethany :)
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     hello all... i know people are probably sick of hearing requests
for tickets... but one more won't hurt:)  i am in desperate need of 3-4
tickets that are not lawn seats... for the lilith fair in camden, nj on
july 17th.  i will pay a resonable amount for these tickets.  please
help a dear indigo girls fan get to see them without a telescope from
the lawn...
thank you in advance...
-ray

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jilly c. wrote:

>
> the second i got to the gate, i saw someone in an indigohio shirt.
> ahhh. i was amongst family. and what a wondrously large family we
> were...

i know that once i get back to ohio, i'll just see indigohio shirts
everywhere!! ;-) we are a big family (haha, we're giving the baigls (or
whatever) some competition!)

> second, and then, after examining my face, saying, "okay, so *that's*
> what jill looks like!" uh-oh.
yeah, jilly, i must say, you are quite famous around here. hahah...i had
the honor of meeting jilly c.! :-)

> with her to say hi and give her a book (blue highways, by william least
> heat-moon... go read it!!! amazing). karen rosenblum, indigohio
> defector to california, finds this so hilarious-- i walked up to her,
> smiled, and leisurely said, "hey amy, i've got a book for you. is it

it is hilarious!! but i'ts also great!!!!!!!!!!!!  let me just second
this:  jill was very happy about this.  i spoke to her yesterday and she
was still estatic (not to mention that i was jumping around the whole time
i spoke to her...i loooove other people's "i met amy ray" stories...  but
i must say that is one awesome way to meet the girls..  wow!!!  (i am
still in shcok over this, jilly...ask alma..)

and btw, just because i am currently in california, i am still a proud
member of indigohio...just needed to add that cause we rock!

>
> innumerable thanks to don richards, the ringleader and maker of all this
> madness (which wasn't too much sorrow-- see, we all made it to
> tomorrow). send him email hugs and kisses, cause he sure deserves them.
> and some rest.

don does rock!!!!!!!!!!! that whole gathering was soooo well organized
(even tjough i couldn't attned, i have the e-mails to prove it!) and
everyone must see our nifty indigohio shirts!

>
> i'm not really that insane, y'all just make me so happy, is all.
>
noooo...jill you are insane, but in a good way! :-)

anyway, i must say, i was saddened to miss our biggest gathering yet, but
there's always next year! we're bringing our girlies back to the great
state of ohio (in the heart of it all...)

love,
karen (indigohio member in absentia from columbus lilith) :-)

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you know that you are absolutley and uncurably (is that a word?) with the
indigo girls when...

you're at an ani show, and ani says the word "hooten anny" (sp?) and your
first reaction is "ohmygosh, amy ray always says hooten anny" and you
scream it out and everyone around you stares at you...

that *did* happen, just ask mollie or amy, they'll tell ya!

love,
karen :-)

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but if the indigo girls were spice girls, what would their names be?

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>-----original message-----
>from:  shelley miller [smtp:strange_fire66@hotmail.com]
>sent:  tuesday, july 07, 1998 2:25 pm
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>
>but if the indigo girls were spice girls, what would their names be?
>
>hanson
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what about.....cumin and savory, cilantro or saffron.....sparkie

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shelley said:
~~but if the indigo girls were spice girls, what would their names be?

oh my god...don't get me started...i've been brainstorming since i read
this post. ;) amy spice (rhymes with baby spice)...emmy
spice...etc....camper spice! camped out spice...campfire spice...
sears pants spice (oh my god, i love those pants)...shall i go on?!
laughing my bootay off. :)

bethany :)

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>but if the indigo girls were spice girls, what would their names be?

strawberry spice and beans-n-rice spice.

love,
j u s t i n

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i know, all my friends think there are at least 3 of them.....what's the deal
with that??? even after i explain it, and i talk about amy and emily *sigh*
they say things like, "yeah, what was that other one's name again???" argh.

peace,
*erica*

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that's a thought, justin. i'm surprised i didn't think of that. trawberry
spice and black beans-and-rice spice! yummy!

peace,
*erica*

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>but if the indigo girls were spice girls, what would their names be?
>
*anything* but old-spice.... peeehewww!
luv, kim

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being cut off to your brain. you'll be dead in less than a minute...
or we could talk..."
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hey there,

well, i've been playing guitar for about a year now, and have surprised
myself with being able to play many, many ig songs. . .a lot are not as
hard as they seem at first. besides the ones that other people have
mentioned (ctf, fugitive, strange fire, kid fears, hand me downs. . .),
here's some more that are easy:

shame on you - three simple chords (a, d9, e) over and over. . .i have so
much fun with it, my friend picked out the banjo part on dulcimer and
we've had some pretty cool jam sessions. . .

galileo - at first glance, it looks hard, but all you've got to do is
tune your guitar funny and get a capo and you're all set

romeo and juliet

mystery

the wood song - both amy's and emily's guitar parts are surprisingly easy
to learn

reunion - another three-chord song (for the most part)

and a little challenge for those of you who like fingerpicking - fare
thee well (it's not as hard as it looks, honest)

all of these songs can be found on the olga site (www.olga.net), and if
anyone's intested in more detailed versions of the songs can email me and
ask for the sheet music (which i have for most of the songs i suggested).

good luck, and above all, have fun!

peace, love, indigo, and all good things,
kristina :o)

p.s. while i'm mentioning songs you should try, maybe i should warn you
about the ones you shouldn't - crazy game and left me a fool are
extremely hard. . .i am so envious of anyone who's good enough to play
them. . .

* * * * *
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hold fast to that languageless connection. " --emily saliers

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i found an ig import at the used cd joint today. it's called "4.5" & it's got
a bird drawing on the cover -- what is it? is it live? is it worth 30 bucks?

peace,
lisa j.
p.s. forgive me if this has been covered before -- i could find anything about
it in the faq.

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hey there!

i've been surfin' and here are some links for you to check out:

http://www.crl.com./~pegasus/indigo.html
http://wwwcsc.cornell-iowa.edu/~jksiazek/ig_gallery.html
http://members.aol.com/astroliz/may4.htm
http://members.aol.com/astroliz/listrip.htm
http://www.stwing.upenn.edu/~abstein/colormeindigo/images.html
http://members.aol.com/astroliz/may2.htm
http://www.vimnews.com/ig/
http://www.best.com/~kluce/ig.htm
http://www.crl.com./~pegasus/amyunh1.jpg
http://www.breadandroses.com/art.alcatraz.html
http://www.ubl.com/artists/001185.html

have fun:-)!

peace and
take care,
kathrin

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you know you're obsessed when you're reading throught the "thank you's"
on 1200 curfews, and you recognize the names of everyone involved on the
album, everyone they thank, and would recognize at least 10 of the
mentioned ppl people..

*l*

lamia
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but if the indigo girls were spice girls, what would their names be?
________________________________________________________________

emily "sunny" spice..and..hmmm *thinking* amy ""...
then you have jerry "skirtguy" spice and sara "plaid" spice

i seriously can't think of one for amy! firey spice? hmmm...that's
hard...

lamia

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my mom, who is an elementary teacher, would be ashamed.  obviously there was
something in the faq about 4.5.  my bad!  thanks to everyone who responded to
me -- y'all are quick!  and a special thanks 'cuz no one flamed me for not
reading the faq!!!   :)

peace,
lisa j.

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what about baby-dyke spice?

>
> >but if the indigo girls were spice girls, what would their names be?
>
> strawberry spice and beans-n-rice spice.
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hey folks,

this was sent to the lilith fair list...

sherlyn

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 15:44:28 edt
subject: [lilith-fair-fans] clearing things up. . . .

before the rumours take off. . . here's the official word from the lilith site
:

"sarah-less in columbus

word travels fast, but not very accurately. at the july 5 lilith show in
columbus, ohio, sarah mclachlan was unable to perform due to severe food
poisoning - not becuase she is pregnant, contrary to the rumours flying
around. the announcement that sarah would not be able to go on was made
just after sarah's scheduled set time by natalie merchant. everyone
waited until the last possible moment to see if sarah would be able to
go on with her show, but it just wasn't to be.

fans who were at the show may use their ticket stubs to obtain lawn
seats for the august 9th bonnie raitt show at the polaris amphitheatre.
all you need to do is to take your ticket stub to the polaris on august
9. you cannot obtain the ticket in advance, you must do it on august 9."

hope that clears up any confusion ! :)

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can someone, anyone please please help me find a copy of tuesday's children??!
i'll love you forever! thanks- kayetea@aol.com

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i got your tape, or should i say pieces of your tape today. i know
people posted to the list that to save postage (which you did) to send
it without a case. however, it arrived smashed. i know this isn't your
fault, but i have done alot of copying recently and they've all arrived
intact (in their cases)

i am going to copy this to the list, because i don't want anymore people
sending me unprotected tapes. meanwhile, email me, let me know what you
want to do, ie, send another tape and more postage....

karen

to the list:  everyone who has recieved a tape from me can verify this
is true, if you are mailing me blanks for dickinson or the sys
ep's...please don't scrimp to save 37 cents on postage.  i can't replace
tapes, and add postage.  i don't mean to sound mean, anyone who's
recieved one from me already will tell you i do send them out quick.

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yes its worth it!! its pretty rare to find. and i think its pretty awesome!

karen

lisa jebsen wrote:

> i found an ig import at the used cd joint today. it's called "4.5" & it's got
> a bird drawing on the cover -- what is it? is it live? is it worth 30 bucks?
>
> peace,
> lisa j.
> p.s. forgive me if this has been covered before -- i could find anything about
> it in the faq.
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okay, i give up. let's end this thread.

wmntime

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can someone please tell me how to pronounce emily's last name? me and a
friend are having a debate about this.

thanks.

wmntime

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kate wrote:

< names of the backstreet boys, i'm just assuming one of them is named tyler.
>>

hey great news kids! i'm taking my 11 yr. olds to the backstreet boys show
for their bday in a couple of weeks, and i'll check for the little dudes'
names!!!

bonnie

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<< if the indigo girls were spice girls, what would their names be? >>

well, deep spice and strawberry spice, of course!

bon

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my easy ig guitar choices would be:  strange fire, kid fears, world falls,
pushing the needle too far (only one teeny tiny bar chord in that bridge
part), and land of cannan.  some emily songs to balance out:  wood song and
get out the map.  also recomended for simple chords... dar williams' the
christians and the pagans, and kristen hall's out in the country.

plesant journeys,
shana

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come on guys, still on 245 smackers...

it's not too late!!!

mail to:
erin tripp
2907 carrington dr. sw
decatur, al 35603

address it to:
youthpride atlanta
p.o. box 15448
atlanta, ga 30333

~now, make sure to include a note saying your name, address, and who the
donation is in the name of.

*and dont forget to put emily saliers bday on the subject line!!!

p.s. you do not have to write the address to youth pride on the subject line,
that's just in case you want to reassure yourself where your check will be
going :)

later,
erin

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you know you're obsessed when . . .

. . . i like to amuse myself by having "igc" in every paper i write for school
whether a direct quote or a subtle message (ie, beginning a paragraph with,
there is more than one answer to these questions . . .).

or you check the "i" section in all music stores and get insulted if they have
a limited selection.

or people you've never met approach you at school/at work and ask for tour
dates.

or you feel driven to hide lyrics in every issue of your school's newspaper .
. .

oh i could go on . . .

~ elizabeth

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saliers_ray@hotmail.com writes:

<>

how 'bout "hot spice"! or is that just too horrible?

~ elizabeth

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i agree with this...! when i was a newbie (not so long ago) i had seen
everyone say "no cases" "don't send cases", so when i sent a tape to
bethany i didn't send a case! it got there fine but when she sent it
back to me it was smashed i mean i dunno what they did to that thing but
it was beyond repair! luckily bethany was sweet enough to dub me another
copy, but since then i've sent cases, and it's really better. i haven't
had any problems with cases!

lamia

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my sister's boyfriend bought her a princess di beanie baby. pondering
what it might've been worth, i went to ebay, and searched for beanie
baby. over 2,000 auctions came up! :p
one, blue whale beanie baby was selling for $1,425.00!! yes i didn't
misplace the decimal point!!!! what the heck is wrong with people??
you know what kind of cool guitar you could get for that? well i don't
know but it's got to be better than mine! *l*
what possesses people to spent more than some americans make in a month
on one, little, stuffed animal?? the people who make those things in
china and indonesia probably don't make that much in a year...
i'm at a loss...

**hugs**

lamia

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ok i have another question! :o)

on the epic message board...someone brought up a funny story but
doesnt know the complete story and its making me crazy...i just wanna
know!

ok i believe the concert was in seattle last year - and an audience
member up in front said something and amy started laughing so
hard...does this sound familiar to anyone? i mean it sounded like she
had to take a little 'time out' and just laugh...anyone know this
story? *fingers crossed*

take it easy -
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hey folks,

i found this on the newsgroup...

from: twyst <tnt104@psu.edu>
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subject: re: ig in boalsburg, pa
date: mon, 06 jul 1998 21:57:14 -0400

here's the official press release if anyone's interested...

for immediate release

wgmr "the revolution 101.1" is pleased to present what is sure to be one of
this summer's most memorable events. appearing live, on july 10 at 7:00 pm at
the tussey mountain amphitheater, just 4 miles east of state college, pa, will
be epic records recording artist the indigo girls. opening the show will be the
award winning singer/songwriter from boston, barbara kessler.

this very special event, featuring this very special group, occurs during the
same week as the pennsylvania festival of the arts, in state college. while
this event is not affiliated with the arts festival, there has been an excellent
response to the announcement of this concert, and we expect that many of those
planning to be in the area for the festival of the arts will find that this
concert augments and enhances the traditional arts festival fare.

tussey mountain amphitheater is just 4 miles east of state college, off route
322 in boalsburg pa.  tickets are only $20.00 in advance, plus any applicable
convenience charges, and are available
at the tussey mountain box office, ticketmaster at vibes on college avenue, and
through ticketmaster phone charge at (814) 456-7070. shuttle-bus service will be
provided from state college to the concert and back.  details will be available
soon.  we encourage concert-goers to come early and use the shuttle buses if
possible. no bottles, cans, coolers, or chairs will be permitted.  this show is
rain
or shine.

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 21:01:35 edt
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subject: so you want to be that third indigo girl? . . . guitar info
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cheesehed@juno.com writes:

<< all of these songs can be found on the olga site (www.olga.net), and if
anyone's intested in more detailed versions of the songs can email me and
ask for the sheet music (which i have for most of the songs i suggested). >>

yeah, sadly enuf, the olga has temporarily died.

luckily . . . !

i have, on disk, the music for every song they've ever released, with the
exception of caramia, lotk, and make it easier.  (i *was* putting up a web
page, but i've become paranoid about being sued and am putting that off until
i can deal with my "issues.")  if you want anything, e-mail me.  i was
thinking of putting up a "program" (maybe even 12 step) to learning the guitar
through the indigo girls.  so if you want a simple version of a song, i'm your
girl.
the following have simple enough chord progressions, or can be simplified:

blood and fire, 123, 3 hits, ctf, fugitive, galileo, i don't wanna know, jonas
and ezekial, kid fears, keeper of my heart, land of canaan (3 chords and good
rhythm practice), nashville, pushin' the needle, this train revised, the wood
song, welcome me, bury my heart, cut it out (2 chords, i think), down by the
river, it's alright, problem child, shame on you, thin line, don't give that
girl a gun, shed your skin (tho i get messed up with the timing, myself),
prince of darkness, scooter boys, chickenman . . .

ghost is good for picking, because once you can pick that baby you can play
most picked out indigo girls songs.

if you want to know about buying stuff, i share my limited knowledge below.
otherwise, just e-mail me if you want anything (tab wise).

what kind of guitar to get? . . . i went for a used one.  my guitar cost about
$120.  i got it in 1996 from a guitar repair shop. no two parts came from the
same physical guitar, though all from the same style.  but it's *great* . . .
and significantly better than some new guitars that go for $200 or $250.  it
serves my purposes and has a great sound, plus looks really nice. (it's a
vantek . . .)
  if you're just starting, i'd go for a cheaper guitar, and buying used
instruments is, imho, the best way to go if you're just starting.

also, if you want to play indigo girls stuff, you're going to have to buy a
capo. they cost between $2 and $25, depending on how fancy you want to get.
you'd also want a steel string guitar, as opposed to a nylon string (it's what
the girls use, plus the chords are easier to reach for smaller, or
unexperienced (or even experienced, i guess) hands).

~ elizabeth

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 20:57:30 -0400
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um, jane was playing at the columbus lilith! so rest assured she's
still around... still jamming!
fabulous!

twink!
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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 21:05:48 -0400
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just wanted to say that, although it was a bummer not to catch sarah,
that i felt the "gang" didn't come out & jam in her spot out of respect
for sarah... who put the whole thing together.

sure, we missed sarah... but we'd not have seen any of these
performers... or have had such a great lilith... were it not for her. my
main concern is that she feels better soon!

later,
twink!
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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 19:55:00 -0600
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        well now, i know i don't offer much to this list , but i thought i
would write anyhow and share my thoughts for a moment or two :) i just
finished my whole "lilith" weekend which consisted of the deer creek show
and the july 6th show in michigan. imy first comment is that i don't ever
plan on going to concerts back to back again like that. i just felt so
un-special that the groups preformed the same setlists and said almost the
same exact things.  the whole thing with sarah's intro to one of her songs
by saying " we've never done this one live before..." on july 6th was
shocking because she had said the same thing before the same song at
indie. i don't want to sound like a complainer because i wouldn't have
passed up the chance to go to the showes and see the artist, but after the
show in michigan i was just allittle let down...maybe i just ask too much.
        on a lighter note now... sherry jackson is such a great artist and
i have totally fallen in love with sister 7 and the lead singer ;) this
year was the first time i had actually paid attention to the non- main
stage acts... they rocked. i was alos totally blown away by sinead, her
voice was just so powerful that i went out the day after the show in deer
creek and picked up her "best of..." album. i totally love her more now
than compared to the " i don't want what i haven't got" album. i would
also like to say that natalie puts on the best show. she really entertains
the audience. sarah was beautiful andthe response she gets from the
audience by just merely walking on stage is unbelieveable.
        my only last thought is on our beloved amy and emily. i must say
that even though i heard the same set list at both showes..they still gave
me goosebumps. when they were singing " down by the river" i was so awe
struck i kept saying " oh my god" over and over again. i just couldn't
belive how much they and i were "into" the music.. it just kind of pulled
you into it all, and i wouldn't trade that feeling for anything in the
world. well i guess that was my little unique and incoherent review. i
hoped i didn't bore you guys.. thanks for the time... laters gaters
                 -jen

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 22:03:38 -0400
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...when you're watching love!valour!compassion! and the couple (arthur and
perry...but i don't remember which one said which line) say:

"are we okay?"
"we're fine."

and you sing the rest of the chorus to power of two in your head.
*this happened tonight when we watched that movie at my lgbt group's
meeting*

*heh* i even briefly wondered why others didn't sing along...

on another note, i was horrified when a co-worker of mine was saying how
she sisn't really know musicians and she was like "you know...spice
girls...indigo girls...whatever."  i told her i would lock her in a room
with all the ig music i had on me at the time and make her listen until
she appreciated it like everyone should.  she must have thought i was
kidding cause she laughed.  but i'd do it :)

oh and it's sal-yers with a long a right?

--audra

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

*****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 22:30:08 edt
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elizabeth (wishmonstr@aol.com) has presented here a very accurate list of
"easy enough" ig songs for the guitar...

<< blood and fire, 123, 3 hits, ctf, fugitive, galileo, i don't wanna know,
jonas
and ezekial, kid fears, keeper of my heart, land of canaan (3 chords and good
rhythm practice), nashville, pushin' the needle, this train revised, the wood
song, welcome me, bury my heart, cut it out (2 chords, i think), down by the
river, it's alright, problem child, shame on you, thin line, don't give that
girl a gun, shed your skin (tho i get messed up with the timing, myself),
prince of darkness, scooter boys, chickenman >>

but i'm gonna add some stuff:

*timing: on the easier amy songs, the timing is usually the hardest part.
examples: r + j: you can start off with the basic chords, but once you figger
out the little asus's and aadd9s with the right timing, you feel like the
coolest thing in the world (sadly, this is not really an ar song); ptktf: ya
barely have to move your fingers! ; l of c: fun rhythm, easy chords... and
there are lots more. . .
(elizabeth's right - sys is a pain in the patootie.)

*emily's songs - hard chords, hard picking patterns, but generally easier
rhythms... some good ones for starters: mystery, hey jesus, least complicated
(just strum at first) (and not to be confused with tangled up...!)
picking: learning to play ghost is a very easy yet rewarding experience!

beware of: crazy game -- it doesn't sound that hard but it is!

note (pretty obvious) -- some of the songs that have the easiest chords/timing
are the most frustrating to play because goshdarnit amy and/or emily aren't
singing and you can't sound just like them and you really want that second
guitar part in the background and and geez you'll *never* be the third indigo
girl and amy will never marry you and what's the point in living... humph.
but keep trying anyway. the world is waiting.

flora

ps - i think we'd agree that any guitar is better than no guitar. but, still,
get the best guitar that you can. there can be a huge difference in sound. i
went from a yamaha to a martin (yes, a martin - but i'll probably have to pass
up going to college now...) and it made a world of difference in my playing
(and self-confidence).
good luck to all the guitar-curious people and sorry for the bw to all the
others!!

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 22:43:58 edt
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oh, i was surfing the web at amazon.com, and i saw 4.5 up there....can't
remember how much, somewhere like...lemme check....okay, i found it...it's an
import(as you probably know) and you can find it if you search under keyword
indigo girls(i'm the queen of stating the obvious). it's going for $28.99.
good price, if you ask me. i'm ordering it. :)

just shoving what i know into the ever growing stack of e-mails for us.....i
can't believe i have gotten over 100 e-mails from this group today alone! not
that i mind, you guys are the coolest. ig lovers unite! love ya!

peace,
*erica*

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 22:57:38 edt
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i don't say this enough -- but this list is so cool! y'all are fab-u-lous.

in all the hoo-ha over 4.5, many have offered their input, plus i've had many
kind souls offering to buy it for me at a better price. :)

but i think my favorite part is that everyone has a different opinion.  i've
heard from folks who say the sound quality sucks.  then there are others who
say it's better.  i've heard from ppl who say it's a find & i must buy it.
then the next email says don't do it!

all the different opinions are fun. i love it! :)
peace,
lisa j.

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 23:03:19 -0500
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since it came up, here's a repost of the original list compiled by
audrey beth stein sometime last year:

you know you're obsessed with the indigo girls when...

...channel thirty-four is listed as a&e, and you think this means
continuous showings of watershed and jesus christ superstar

...you see the new ford car in the paper--it's called the ford
indigo--and you wonder how much it would cost to buy it, paint it
purple, and put the ig logo on the side

...every time you go pass a music store you go directly to the "i"
section to see if a new album has come out without your knowledge

...you are inclined to watch a horror film (even though you hate the
genre) because it's called prince of darkness

...the sales clerk remembers you as the "indigo girls guru," pulls out
a notepad, and asks you what the girls are currently up to

...in geometry class, you name all the angles of a triangle r-o-p,
n-i-s, and m-a-p

...you are tempted to steal the black cd divider that says "indigo
girls" from walmart

...there's a headline in the newspaper, "emily winds up in hospital,"
and you read the article to check and see if ms. saliers is alright

...you go out and buy one of those timex "indiglo" watches just
because--well, you get the picture

...you had tapes of the versions of the songs that appeared on 1200
curfews and you have a sneaky suspicion that one of your tapes is a
lower generation than the master tapes

...april 12th is your sister's birthday, but you feel more compelled to
send amy a card

      "sometimes my brain goes on cd shuffle.  you know, you put a bunch
       of cd's on and hit play and random things come out."-bette midler
  _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 23:21:23 edt
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what is going on with the lifeblood site?  is there a new url or is the site
being taken down or what?  when i tried to reach it the message said invalid
request..... is everyone else having the same problem?  help!

leslie m

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date: tue, 7 jul 1998 20:50:03 -0700
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>what is going on with the lifeblood site? is there a new url or is the site
>being taken down or what?

it moved several months ago. the new url is:

http://home.earthlink.net/~underdog/

i just tried it a few seconds ago and it is working for me.