lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-09e


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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 23:16:32 -0500
reply-to:     joan morrison <morrison_joan@webtv.net>
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okay, i've gone back and searched the past day's digests and i couldn't
find any messages discussing amy's soc on "track #10"  of vld's greatest
hits.   i assume everyone is talking about the song "when you're ready."
i haven't read the discussion, so forgive me if this is duplicative, but
amy recites stuff that is familiar soc material, like the  "would you
know my mouth if it wasn't on you, " etc. etc.  yep, cooper moaning and
groaning in the left speaker and amy reciting her soc in the right
speaker, all the while the music keeps getting faster and faster and
building up to a climax...   pretty wild stuff!  better than the starr
report!  ;)  (okay, maybe that's stretching it a bit:)

on a less steamy note, <g>  i love the tee-shirt design and the color
combination of indigo lettering on cream-colored shirt.  though organic
material is nice, i really don't give a flip whether the shirts are dyed
or not, or made of organically farmed-cotton, etc., just so they're not
manufactured by little children in third world countries.

peace!

joan :-d

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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 23:59:40 edt
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in a message dated 98-09-28 23:40:45 edt, longwell.ls@juno.com writes:

<<
does anyone out there know of any cool sites with glbt screen savers:
rainbows, triangles, etc.???
  >>


i'd like to know the answer to that as well.

lynn   :-)    <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 21:06:18 -0700
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from:         "whitney p. rogers" <wprpilot@earthlink.net>
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sorry, but the live performance at mountain stage was last night.  i
missed it too . . . sniff.

whitney

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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 21:18:29 pdt
reply-to:     angelina den held <folkie69@hotmail.com>
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hi,

i think it's cool to put the listname on it. so i vote for 1:!

love,
angie

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 00:03:32 edt
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in a message dated 9/28/98 10:33:08 pm, jillyc@hotmail.com wrote:

<<way back in the late 80's>>

way back in the late 80's???????  tell me this isn't a serious statement.

and if yer talking leather, why no mention of joan jett?  oh, yeah... that was
early 80's... before jilly was born. ;)  hell, joan jett could be her mom!!!

dee

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 00:09:28 -0400
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> i'd love an indigo colored shirt!

   what about indigo on black?

   darius

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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 23:39:29 -0500
reply-to:     shannon donnally <smdonnally@students.wisc.edu>
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in response to the gay-friendly colleges
post, i can personally vouch for oberlin,
since i just graduated from there last
spring, it is the best!
now i am in grad school at university
of wisconsin-madison, and it is pretty
good too, especially for a big school.
shannon

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 00:52:37 -0400
reply-to:     "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
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subject:      re: de-lurking
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> on videos: guys, does anyone have a copy of the pay per view and disney
> channel special that they could copy for me?  or any collected tapes of late
> night/today show/ ect inverviews?  i'd love to see these things!!!!  i don't
> have anything i could trade, but if anyone would do it, i'd be ever grateful!

i would also love to get some indigo girls videos. i orderd the ppv but
the cable company messed up and i got two hours of blank tape. i've got
lots of audio boots to trade and a lot of gratitude to convey.


peter a. barta
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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 00:55:29 -0400
reply-to:     kim shaver <kas28024@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
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i can personally vouch for new college (a branchof usf) in sarasota, fl...
i don't go there, but i have friends who do and i've been down a
few weekends...makes me wish i had gone there...i've met such wonderful
people there...

kim
http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/5420

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 00:58:16 -0400
reply-to:     aj <74317.136@compuserve.com>
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hi folks,

ya know close to the end of the watershed video when amy says something
like "what keeps us going in our professional lives is the music, what
keeps us going in our personal lives is....." ..... what?  i can't make it
out.  could someone help me out?

oh, and i gotta put in my vote for an indigo shirt with cream writing...

thanks much!  aj

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 01:11:08 edt
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from:         jennifer belton <jenindgo@aol.com>
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in a message dated 9/28/98 11:29:55 pm est, lamia writes:

<< ok if everyone wants indigo on offwhite i guess i'll agree but i have to
say i'd really prefer a dark colored shirt!!!!  >>

i'm thinkin' indigo w/ white lettering; the opposite!  i hate the white t's
just for the mere fact that they get dirty/stained easier, at least mine do.
maybe it's just me and my laundry techniques..who knows.

jennifer

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 01:17:25 -0400
reply-to:     kim shaver <kas28024@pegasus.cc.ucf.edu>
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need we take a vote to see how many female listers would prefer to not
have white t-shirts since they are potentially see-through and not all of
us wear...uh....what was it again? pantyhose? ;)

k

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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 22:36:45 pdt
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hi everyone!  i have an extra shaming of the sun cd i'm trying to sell.
its brand new, still in the plastic.  i know most of you already have
it, but it would make a nice gift!  i'm selling it for $12, thats
including shipping costs.  e-mail me privately if you are interested.

peace,

lin

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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 22:36:33 -0700
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i have a whole bunch of stuff floating around so before my head
explodes:

i forgot about my deadicated cd.  i highly recommend it. it is a cd of a
whole bunch of bands doing covers of greatful dead songs.  ig does uncle
john's band!!  a must for dead fans.  plus some/all of the money goes to
the rain forest.  yeah!!

i was wondering if this happens to anyone else.   when i wake up i
always have a girls song in my head.  but not the whole song just maybe
a few lines in my head.  before i bolt up and open my eyes there it is.
this happens even if i don't listen to ig when going to bed.  some time
it is the same song of months.  for me it was " chicken man, chicken
man, hold my hand"  that lasted about 4 months.  i was wondering if this
happened to any one else.  i mean it doesn't bother me but i am just
wondering.

do any of the cali. listees want to meet up some time?  e-mail if so.

and for a nigc do y'all know that wonders of a hot glue gun?  i just
found mine and i can't put it down.  if you don't have one go get one!!

yeah that is the end of my mindless rambling.

xoxo~
luna

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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 22:51:15 pdt
reply-to:     angelina den held <folkie69@hotmail.com>
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>date:  tue, 29 sep 1998 00:03:32 edt
>reply-to: dschulman@aol.com
>from:  dschulman@aol.com
>subject:      re: chains, lotsa chains.  and flannels.
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
joan jett, my first goddes was singing at the first concert i ever seen
of ig in ny, rose..(garden) something? i'm from holland. joan looked
like a groupie though...

angie>


in a message dated 9/28/98 10:33:08 pm, jillyc@hotmail.com wrote:
>
><<way back in the late 80's>>
>
>way back in the late 80's???????  tell me this isn't a serious
statement.
>
>and if yer talking leather, why no mention of joan jett?  oh, yeah...
that was
>early 80's... before jilly was born. ;)  hell, joan jett could be her
mom!!!
>
>dee
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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 22:58:30 -0700
reply-to:     i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
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on mon, 28 sep 1998, swampy spice wrote:

> well...
>
> in case you're scouring the nation for an institute of higher learning,
> here's some ***queer-friendly*** campuses:

> simon's rock (the junior college of bard college, where all the smarties
> go instead of h.s. their jr. and sr. years)

        being an alumnus of simon's rock (and i'm really happy you
mentioned it, yay!) i can definitely attest to this.  hell, src was
instrumental in my coming out; everyone is really open and tolerant, and
beyond tolerant, most of them are accepting.  in fact, one of the popular
urban legends around the simon's rock campus is that the gay population
is actually larger than the straight population.  (this is, i must say,
not true, but sometimes it really does seem like it.)  but i'll save you
all the long story and just say that i have a webpage about my thoughts
and experiences at src if you're interested in going there or whatever
(includes a link to the school's webpage) at
http://www.csun.edu/~sgb29641/src.html.  ;)
        okay, i just *had* to get that out . . . sudden burst of loyalty
and all . . .

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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guess i'm an underwater thing, i'm liquid running. . .  there's a sea
secret in me--it's plain to see that it is rising, but i must be flowing
liquid diamonds. . ."
                                        -- tori amos, "liquid diamonds"

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date:         mon, 28 sep 1998 23:24:21 pdt
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hi all,

bought this cd "women of spirit" by putumayyo world music! it's great!

* capercaillie with sibella/ scotland-guina/ inexile
* fortuna/ brazil/ dame tu fuerza
* groupe oyiwan/ france-sudan/ assode
* coco mbassi/ cameroon / muengue mwa ndolo
* susana baca/ peru/ nergra presentuosa
* cassandra wilson/ usa/ death letter
* tarika/ madagascar/ avelo
* sibongile khumalo/ south africa/ untold story
* rasha/ sudan/ aguis mahasnik biman
* ani difranco/ usa/ done wrong
* ima galguen/ spain/ la zarza
* savina yannatou/ greece/ el sueno de la hija del rey
* toshi reagon/bernice johnson reagon/ usa/ a song

really a great cd!

love,
angie

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 00:15:42 -0700
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hey y'all,

i've been saying that all night!  hanging out with people from
atlanta'll do it to you, let me tell you!  anyhow, this won't be long...
i just want to say to y'all....

go see him!!!!

i went to the l.a. show tonight.  it was only a 35 minute set, which
kinda sucked, and they let all the "industry people" (ooooooooo -
sarcastically) in first and the rest of us had to wait, but it didn't
matter.  it was all standing room, and we got to the front anyway (i had
to yell my lungs out for julie, now didn't i?)  but, the man just
rocks!!  the really wonderful thing about them all is how damn friendly
and nice they all are.  i'm just so damn impressed, i thinking meeting
all of them (and especially julie - how can a human being be so damn
nice?  and i thought *i* wasn't jaded.  this woman has a beautiful
soul.  i've been inspired to be a better person.... seriously!)

so go see him - great music... and hang out afterwards and talk to them
all (y'all tell julie that michal says hello!!!) it's worth it, i
promise!!! (they even talked about amy & emily a bit... are they or are
they not "campfire girls" - i told them [julie and david] my campfire
with guitars in sinai scenario - anyone remember that?)

sheesh.  did i just echo sentiments expressed by her jilly-ness?
wasn't it she who said, re: shawn -
go go go!!!!

hmm....

things to ponder...

michal
who didn't even say anything stupid tonight!!
she hopes.

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 09:20:47 +0100
reply-to:     pgs turner <njt21@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
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thank you jilly! i was gonna say that. they use peroxide i think to bleach
stuff, which decomposes to water. nice and safe.

sharon

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 01:53:10 pdt
reply-to:     swampy spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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venerable dee pontificated:
>why no mention of joan jett?  oh, yeah... that was
>early 80's... before jilly was born. ;)  hell, joan jett could be her
mom!!!

exsqueeze me?!  i beg yr pardon, kind middle-ager (?), but i was around
and kicking (and walking and talking and reading and going to nursery
school) fully by 1980 ;)!  (which, granted, may not be as early as some
of you were potty trained and watching the partridge family with your
frosted flakes on saturday mornings, but it's not as if i had any
control over, ahem, nature.)

but demographics be damned! ;)...why should it matter how old i, or you,
or anyone is, for that matter?  why do people tend to flame (and i know
you weren't here, i'm just going off on a tangent, so humor me) about
age, saying, well, i'm older and therefore better/more knowledgeable/etc
etc?  what's with all the ageism?!!!!! why can't we all just love each
other???  <sniffle> now i'm getting verklempt, you'll have to excuse
me...


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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 01:58:13 pdt
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somebody gushed:
>> i'd love an indigo colored shirt!

in response to which, darius da man said:
>   what about indigo on black?

to which i'm gonna tease:
so, like, dark on darker?  ;)


i love my friendly neighborhood snags,
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lookee!
>i can personally vouch for oberlin,
>since i just graduated from there last
>spring, it is the best!

!!!
i *knew* you'd wind up on here sooner or later...

shannon was the only other obie who got daemon records' emails ;)
(they'd just cc the message to the both of us, and i think i remember
emailing her once about it... did i give you the address for this list?)

oh happy day...
jill

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luna wrote:
>i was wondering if this happens to anyone else.   when i wake up i
>always have a girls song in my head.  but not the whole song just maybe
>a few lines in my head.  before i bolt up and open my eyes there it is.

two nights ago, i had the weirdest dream (won't divulge, tho)
involving... someone.  suffice it to say that you've seen her on stage
having trancelike soc's that were very similar to the ones she was
having in my head that night.  woke up with the song in my head.
something about a juniper moon.  what the ?, i don't even know what
juniper is.  i looked it up.  it's a shrub.  a shrub moon.
you get the depth and meaningful lyrics of chickenman upon waking.
i get lunar foliage.

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>i don't even know what
>juniper is.  i looked it up.  it's a shrub.  a shrub moon.
>you get the depth and meaningful lyrics of chickenman upon waking.
>i get lunar foliage.

"juniper moon" is actually quite a lovely phrase, and it sounds very much
like something out of one of my favorite songs, "find the river" by rem:

"me, my thoughts are flowers strewn,
an ocean storm, bayberry moon;
i have got to leave
to find my way."

so, you're like on the same level as michael stipe, lyrically speaking.

:)

justin

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on tue, 29 sep 1998, justin shumaker wrote:

> so, you're like on the same level as michael stipe, lyrically speaking.

   speaking of which, anybody here anxiously awaiting the new rem cd?

   darius

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heidi--
  viva la diva's greatest hits, volume 1 is an independent release.  you
can get it at cooper's website:

<http://www.monsterbit.com/cgi-bin/mailmerge.cgi/ecs/cooperorder>

if you want to read one person's painstaking transcription of the socs go
here:

<http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/vldlyr.htm>

it's the second to the last song on the page.

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don't listen when i talk just when i sing"
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jilly...i love your posts and i always look foreward to them, but celine
dion...butch?  no way!  there's room for all jill-o stuff but this one.  i
remember when she was wearing the leather (or whatever) and celine just
can't pull off the butch thing.  *grins*

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

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just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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which of the early boots has american tune on it..iknow i have it cause
i just booted it for someone but can't remember the name of the
boot...any help?
thanks
pooh

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celine deion butch? that is a funny thought, but i guess it could have
been possible.
jeri

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i have american tune on my shades of indigo/reverse1 live cd.
jeri

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sorry for the continuing argument on the t-shirts.... :)

i don't think white shirts are a possibility, based on the voting so far.
if we get a natural colored shirt in heavyweight cotton, like the shaming
of the sun tour shirt or the lilith 98 shirt, will that work, or is it too
thin?

i've received a ton of votes for the natural t-shirt with the indigo print
- this is why i'm asking. :) email me privately with any concerns or
comments!

thanks,
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i've had a couple requests to repost the whole list of schools, so here it is.
valparaiso u, ind.--washington and lee, va --morehouse college, atlanta-- u
of rhode island, ri-- westminster college, pa--u of the south, tenn
--baylor u, texas-- miami u, ohio-- hamilton college, ny-- and vanderbilt.
i'll post the gay-friendly ones later.

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>well...
>
>in case you're scouring the nation for an institute of higher learning,
>here's some ***queer-friendly*** campuses:

i would include ucla (university of california, los angeles) as they were
the site for the first sorority founded by lesbians, lambda delta lambda.
the staff and administration were supportive and encouraging for that
ground-breaking - and that was ten years ago!

bones
lambda delta lambda alum
alpha chapter, epsilon class

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sorry folks, couldn't resist this one...

>jill asked: ...what is considered acceptable equipment for booting to begin with, and what's acceptable for being a boot branch?

acceptability is truly in the ears of the beholder...

as it has been previously stated, i believe it should be everyone's
responsibility to "preserve" the quality of the sources tape as best as
one can. many originals are so bad that they become difficult to listen
to after a single generational loss. sometimes folks manage to acquire a
very clean original on a good manual field recorder with quality
microphone. when they do, all branches should attempt to do the music
justice by simple dubbing practices:

1. regardless of you personal equipment, cleans your tape heads often,
demag as well.
2. record in real time.
3. not everone can play back tapes made with dbx, dolby c or s. dolby b
is the lowest common standard, but many machines mistrack when trying to
decode dolby processing--best to skip it altogether.
4. hi-bias, 70us tapes at minimum.
5. boom boxes, or personal stereos, were not designed for accurate
recording; for that matter (sorry guys) neither are dual-well cassettes
decks. they all share the same motors using multiple belts which stretch
and slip and run helter-skelter. the heads are cheap composite 2
headers, the cassette shells cause tension problems, etc.... the better
way is two separate high quality decks, connected with low-resistance
quality patch cables. closed-loop capstan transports are superior to
single-take-up varieties. if the original is dat, all the better--dat
field deck-to-quality cassette.
6. three-head decks allow you to monitor your dubbing and make small
adjustments for differing tape bias's and other tape formulation issues.
7. critical, but universally ignored: tape head azimuths can be very
much out of whack from true 90 degrees and cause the tapes you make to
sound weak and muffled on any other equipment than yours. your own tapes
may sound different depending on which direction they are running.
one-way recording and playback are best.

i always clean and adjust my machines before i dub (i usually use my two
single-well nacamichi decks, an ancient 600b and its older brother,
dr1). then i try and match the head azimuth and bias of the tapes i'm
dubbing for people before i start. i continue to monitor the tape as
it's recording in real time. sure its a lot of extra work than jamming a
drugstore-variety tape into a pink b-box, but if the music and the
original source justify it, its all worth it.

>monique said: ...boomboxes introduce more noise than high quality stereo
equipment, so in general, if you use the highest quality equipment you
have available you're less likely to be the weak link in the trading
chain.

very true. all dubbing introduces noise, even on great equipment. the
problem with low-end equipment is that it can't record all of the audio
spectrum faithfully, rolling off at 10k or 12k, so the noise just
compounds itself each and every generation. noise reduction systems can
even add to the problem down the road as they try to encode and decode
each and every time a dub is done. many of these tapes that are traded
have no indication of the original source, generation number or other
information that would make it easier to evaluate its usefulness to a
music lover/collector. having a rare boot doesn't do you any good if
it's 10th generation down from a built-in condenser mic on a dirty
analog walkman recorded on kmart c120s..... i mean, what's the use of
collecting boots if you can't bring yourself to even listen to some of
them?

--andrew

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sorry to draw this out once again, but being a... pantyhose-less person
myself, i thought it'd make sense to point something out.  for everyone in my
time zone, winter's coming, right?  well, there are these nifty inventions
known as undershirts, thermals, etc. which not only keep ya warm, but
eliminate the worry over someone seeing your lack of pantyhose through your
white list t-shirt.  i don't know about any of you, but when it's 2 degrees
out, i'm not planning on wandering around in just a short-sleeved t-shirt; i'm
gonna wear something underneath!  we should probably stick to choosing a color
based on what color we like as opposed to what undergarments we're wearing,
b/c logically white seems okay to me...

love,
alissa

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> recording; for that matter (sorry guys) neither are dual-well cassettes
> decks. they all share the same motors using multiple belts which stretch
> and slip and run helter-skelter. the heads are cheap composite 2
> headers, the cassette shells cause tension problems, etc.... the better
> way is two separate high quality decks, connected with low-resistance
> quality patch cables. closed-loop capstan transports are superior to
> single-take-up varieties. if the original is dat, all the better--dat
> field deck-to-quality cassette.
> 6. three-head decks allow you to monitor your dubbing and make small
> adjustments for differing tape bias's and other tape formulation issues.
wel you just got rid of 99 percent of folks wo do the tape trees im sure

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i have seen many familiar names mentioned..one that i have not seen i
sconnie kaldor...small cafe..i would highly recommend her to everyone. a
good alto type voice with good lyrics and really good music.guitar....

takin a break from retros and packing...sparkie

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hello,

could someone let me know who the sst 9:30 club boot branch
is for the month of may?  thanks.

take care and peace!

-deb

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hello to all in the land of indigo.

since there is a thread about ig and me at the roxy, i was wondering if anyone
has a boot of a an ig show at uconn from the spring of 1990 where me and ig
played together.  my first me show was at uri the next night and she mentioned
that she played with them 'the other night' and i had a friend who told me
they did
some songs together.  (i am a bit bitter cause my friends were supposed to get
tix
to the uconn show, but instead decided to opt for the uri show cause it was
closer to their college.)

does this boot exist?  anyone with any info, please post about it so i know
i'm
not totally crazy about this show.

take care and peace!

-deb

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i learned something from andrew's post. thank you andrew for going into
details.

> > recording; for that matter (sorry guys) neither are dual-well cassettes
> > decks. the better

> > way is two separate high quality decks, connected with low-resistance
> > quality patch cables.
> > 6. three-head decks allow you to monitor your dubbing and make small
> > adjustments for differing tape bias's and other tape formulation issues.

>
>
>
> wel you just got rid of 99 percent of folks wo do the tape trees im sure

we 're not talking about getting rid of anyone, just about trying to get the
best possible copies to all of us out there by encouraging folks with the best
equipment to step up to the plate and be a branch. that said, we're all only
humans and can only do the best we can. and it's alright!

cheers,

monique

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wait, how about the university of california at berkeley?  that is one gay
friendly school...
:-) karen

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 10:07:13 pdt
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hmmm...actually, i was thinking of going around wearing nothing but
pantyhose and the list t-shirt...would make quite a statement on casual
day, doncha think?

anyways, my current favorite nondigo artist:

hole...m'hmmm.  quite a guilty pleasure, really.  celebrity skin hasn't
left my walkman in two days...its like...the lost bangles album
(really!)...as a friend (okay, a friend who laughed at me for buying it)
said, versace angst.

the listee musician tape...what ever happened with this?  is anyone
interested?  i'm game, and would be willing to coordinate if there are
people willing to ham it up for the rest of our, umm, listening
pleasure.

finally...just have to say it...

cubs win!  cubs win!  i can't believe it!  cubs win!

take care y'all,
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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 12:17:01 -0500
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i vote for a dark shirt myself ~ i think they look neater or 'dressier'
myself ... no preference on the color of the graphics...

ann

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 12:17:31 -0400
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since my offer for the blue food boot didn't generated as much of a
response from the digest folks as i thought it would, i'm now opening it
up to the list with no limit.  anyone who wants a copy of this boot,
email me and i'll get back to you on the details.

:)
anna

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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 12:38:03 -0600
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i say nipples to the wind, girls!

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i can't believe my eyes...baylor a gay friendly college??? where was i when
this happened...if i had to pick a gay friendly school in texas it would be
ut...very large gay population at the school and in austin...but baylor..jeez
o flip...when my dad played football there, every...and when i say every...i
mean every student had to go to chapel (and no this wasn't in the 40's it was
the 60's). it is a baptist school...run by baptists...baptists boycott disney
world, why would they open their arms up for gays on campus??? it just seems a
little odd to me...

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hiya! yesterday i mailed a package to someone who sent me a
blank/postage for the me sst boot. i forgot to enclose a j-card! :p
whenever you get it (i can't remmeber who it was) just let me know and i
will either print it out for you and send it to you, or if you want to
be quicker i will just email it to you and you can print it out
yourself. either way..sorry!!!! and for everyone else, i'm not doing any
trades right now so i can get caught up with the blank/postage things
that have been piling out so all ya'lls will be done soon!!

*hugs*

lamia

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i want to change the world
i feel violent i feel alone
don't try and change my mind
the world is heading for mutiny
when all we want is unity
we may rise and fall, but in the end
we meet our fate together..."
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shelley miller wrote:

> the listee musician tape...what ever happened with this?  is anyone
> interested?  i'm game, and would be willing to coordinate if there are
> people willing to ham it up for the rest of our, umm, listening
> pleasure.
>


hey ya!!  i was the one who suggested it, but i left the country
(meaning i left israel for the states..) right after, so i was
computer-less for about two weeks and couldn't follow up.  i'm game, i
know tim was (hi tim!!!  believe it or not, i'm still planning on
getting back to you on everything... :-)

come on people!!!  how many conversations have i had with talented
people who play their own music?  okay, so i didn't save them all, so
sue me!!  so i can't accost you at your own individual email addys - but
peole!! come out of the woodwork - you're talented, let everyone know!!

i dub today non-humility day.
that way there's no excuse for not replying!!!
;)
y'all are good enough - let's make a listtape of original music!!!
*****come on!!!!!!!!!!!*********

and shelley, if you can coordinate it, i'd love to help.  i was going to
try to coordinate it myself while i was here in the states, but somehow
i get the feeling a month isn't long enough, and i'm flying back off to
israel....
(tho, i've suddenly become very tempted to move to atlanta for a couple
of months.....)
so anyway....

write back y'all - let's make this tape!!!
i know you're out there.

peaches and harmony,

michal

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oh yeah!!  i wanted to add:

caroline aiken - gorgeous bluesy sound, just got live beat - i've heard
about her, but... wow!!  worth it.

and

marilyn5 - when i was told that marilyn was a cross between cher and
natalie merchant, my imagination went on a rampage.... but it's true!!
bizarre, but true.  good music, rock-y feel, check them out...


take care, y'all!!
michal

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hey all.
cleaned out my room & found an extra copy of the video
jcs.  it's unwatched & yours if ya want it.
$15 incl. shipping.

jami
jamik@juno.com

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ok guys... why don't we just say "bra" and have it out???  unless i'm
wrong, and there are listees who were forced to wear pantyhose on their
chests....

much love and all things indigooey...

joanne

"out of boredom,
i decided
to get with it"
the connells

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speaking of caroline aiken and list musicians....

ya'll - this is so exciting for me!!!  caroline is doing a show with me
- a fellow ig listee in richmond, va on oct. 25 (at the moondance).  i
can't wait!!  i told her i'm so ig inspired, and if it wasn't for them,
i wouldn't be playing, and since she helped them out (from what i've
heard) when they were starting out - i feel like i owe her - and it's so
cool she's doing a show with me and my band!!!!  she offered to open for
*us* if you can believe it - but i laughed hard at that - we'll be
opening for her.  she's so nice, ya'll - i can't wait to hear her - i've
heard she's amazing.  probably i'll just have to go slink into a corner
after hearing her put me to shame!  but still - what an honor!  thanks
for letting me share.

-tara

tara lane
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i'm making a compilation tape for someone and would like to include
complete information on when and where the songs were performed.  problem
is i got some of the songs from compilations which don't provide this
information.  i'm hoping someone out there can help me.
where did these come from:

blister in the sun (from cover me gray)
rockin' in the free world (with k's choice)
mona lisas & madhatters (reverse 1 live)
summertime (cover me gray)

also, if anyone has a boot of the santa monica show from may 1995, i'd love
to trade for it.

thanks.

sheryl jones
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i totally agree. if you aren't a pantyhose wearing chick, you can always
wear two tshirts if it is warm. i always wear two tshirts anyway.
jeri

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from the advocate
ten most gay-friendly schools
st. johns, nm--cooper union, nyc (hey, cooper, how about that?)-- warren
wilson, nc--marlboro, md--mount holyoke, mass--eastman school of music,
ny--hendrix, ark-- college of atlantic, me--boston concervatory, boston.
i can't believe they didn't include bryn mawr!!!

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so i was at a conference today with administration and students (i'm in high
school) to try and curb smoking in our schools, and it says we are going to
have a special musical guest.  so, i'm curious.  (no, stop getting excited, it
wasn't ig.)  sure enough, they introduce leslie nuchow! (remember her?  the
virginia slams girl?)  so she is talking about how she took action against
phillip morris' manipulation of the music business and says that one day she
got a call from.... the indigo girls!  says the conversation went something
like this:
ig- we heard about your project, and we would like to come play.
ln- well, the concert is only 4 days away, and we haven't publicized it or
anything...
ig- no problem, we'll come to slam 2!
ln- there is no slam 2.
ig- there is now!

(obviously not direct quote.)

so that was my interesting moment of the day!  oh, also she performed and she
was excellent!!!!!!  even gave a student discount on her cds for the day!
picked one up and have it on now.  go buy it!  sort of sarah mclachlan-y, but
great spirit and lyrics.  check her out!
leslie

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okay, here we go!  i want all of you talented, musically groovy/goofy
listees to come on out of the woodword.  its time for the listee
musician compilation tape.

basic ground rules:

well, i don't really have any, yet...but, i'd like to think that there
are enough of us out there who write/perform/amuse our plants and
neighbors with our own songs/spoken word performance to fill up a whole
tape.  i suppose, if you really want to do a cover, that'd be okay
(given that this wasn't really my idea in the first place).

do you have to be a professional musician with lots of hi-tech recording
equiptment?  heck, no.  do you have to have loads of musical talent
and/or experience?  heck, no.  do you absolutely have to do this if you
are one of those people who sings along to every song on the radio
without even knowing the words?  absolutely!

don't be shy!  right now, i'm just looking to get a feel for how many
hams we have out there.  so if you're interested, write me at

strange_fire66@hotmail.com

if you know how long your song is/title/any other pertinent info that
you think would help, include that, too.

i will be taking submissions until october 7th (next wednesday).

can't wait to hear!

shelley

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jill wrote:

>just, what is considered acceptable equipment for booting to begin with,
>and what's acceptable for being a boot branch?  you've got me worried
>that my real actual stereos aren't even good enough.  do you guys have
>some amazingly top-of-the-line systems out there? (i'm dying to know
>what system you have, deb, do tell?)

i certainly don't have the money to buy a top o' the line system, i just do
alot of homework and get very good equipment at excellent prices so i get
the most bang for the bucks i'm willing to spend.  and then i tie it all
together with good (not great) cables which altogether cost more than the
stereo equpiment it's connecting.

i certainly can't improve upon andrew's primer!  but for those of us who
are not audiophiles, i guess i'd suggest that:

a) no manufacturer i know of does everything well.  so if you have a system
that came all together, it stands to reason that you'll have compromised
quality somewhere.  i have components from sony, akai, aiwa, kenwood, and
jvc; all were selected after significant research.  for those looking to
buy, i *love* crutchfield <http://www.crutchfield.com/>... they can get
almost anything, and their techs have always been able to answer any
questions about any products.

b) when recording between components, the quality of your recording is, at
best, as good as your connections.  don't use those cheap cables your
equipment came with!

c) always use high bias tapes (and not all of those are created equal).

d) never high-speed dub or reverse-dub.

when i ask that only people with good stereo equipment ask to be branches,
i don't specify what that means, i leave that judgement to the prospective
branches, and hope that it results in dubs for the leaves that are as close
as possible to the dub i provided the branches.

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i think that amy says "what keeps us going in our career is that we love
music.  what keeps us going in our life, might be different things."  then
emily says "alot of things."  that's what i can make out.  i don't know if
that is right, but it sounds right to me.  :c)

                                                                                ~lauryn~

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to clear up any possible confusion...i am taking e-mails from people
interested in being a part of the compilation tape until october
7th...once i get a feel for how many people are interested, i'll
announce the deadline for submitting tapes.

sorry to scare ya,
shelley

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hello!

i love the design ! !
however, i agree that maybe it isn't the best idea to have the list
address printed on the shirt.

if i recall correctly... ig doesn't seem to be all gung-ho about the
list.  and if they ever see this on our shirt they may be a bit turned
off.  but then again... maybe they won't.
- flame away if you must --

another reason...
it can be our own little private thing.  i mean, we won't be advertising
the list address to random people.. but those on the list will know that
we are on the list by that great looking shirt...
it's like our own little secret...

these are just my opinions obviously.  i think it looks great with the
address on it but i think it would look just as good w/ out it.

well... i'll buy a shirt either way!

r.
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well, poprockgrrl is absolutely right, but i have a couple more thoughts.

1. not all baptists are anti-gay, although my fellow baptists would probably
be ashamed of me. i coach debate at arizona state. the debate and speech teams
are one organization. between the coaching staff and the competitors, last
year i counted five male homosexuals and one lesbian among my colleagues.
wonderful, talented people, and as loved by god as me (and not one bit more
sinful than i). took me a long time to get over the poisonous ideas i was
taught as a kid (which included some really enlightened attitudes about other
races, as well as homosexuals) but some very wise and patient friends helped.

2. baylor is scary. i got my b.a. & m.a. from baylor. i was there from the
fall of 1987 to the summer of 1993, which meant i lived just seven miles up
the road from the compound throughout the branch davidian affair. here's an
anecdote about the anti-gay attitude there. i used to write letters to the
editor that were purposefully inflammatory, because i was childish and liked
to stir up the uptight people, much like kicking an anthill. one day, i read a
tiny blurb in the student paper that a few baylor alums had gotten together
(in california, naturally) and started a baylor gay & lesbian alumni
association. so i sent a letter to the editor saying something along the lines
of "wow! baylor has a gay & lesbian alumni association! looks like on the eve
of the twenty-first century, we've finally busted out of the nineteenth!" over
the course of the next week, i found all sorts of neato messages on my
answering machine, including death threats, hopes that i was enjoying my anal
sex with my lover, etc. the highlight was when i stepped out of my apartment
one morning and found a dead rabbit with its throat slit on my doorstep.

it has nothing to do with nothing, and i promise i won't participate in any
more discussion about baylor, but any time anyone piles on my alma mater, i
have to pile on it as well.

doyle srader
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>celine deion butch? that is a funny thought...
not butch as in butch/femme, but butch as in hard(er) edged, buff, black
leather jacket wearing, feathered hair and dangly earrings... like early
melissa etheridge.  or amy.  ya follow?  the three of them were tapped
into the same fashion vein, i swear.  if i had that celine rockumentary
or whatever it was, i could show ya...

:)
jill

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... the item below in this week's straight dope makes me think of you know who
and who.

dear cecil:

your piece about the blue fugates [july 24] was fascinating, but i don't think
lonijo's husband was talking about them when he referred to the "blue people"
he studied in anthropology. the blue men are the tuareg, a nomadic group of
people in the sahara whose traditional territories included mali and parts of
niger, morocco, algeria, etc.  they get their nickname from the blue robes
they wear. originally their clothing was deeply dyed with natural indigo. this
was absorbed by the skin, which also took on a blue tinge. i have read that
even babies were born with blue skin because of the indigo in their mothers'
blood. --sthompson, via the internet

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jeri wrote:
>i have american tune on my shades of indigo/reverse1 live cd.

american tune does *not* appear on the actual shades of indigo cd.  and
the shades cd is *not* a dual thing, it is not paired with any other
disc... how did you get them on one cd? did someone burn it for you?
they must have, or else there must be some mix-up.  ???

pooh, i have american tune on my copy of blue food.

jill

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actually, celine wasn't a half bad looking woman earlier on in her
career...(ducking the coming flames).  mmmhmm, i think there's one album
where she was wearing jeans on on the cover, and i kept seeing it and
thinking "darn she's cute"...and then she discoverd eyeliner and it was
aalllllll down the tubes.

peace and freckles,
shelley (who hopes you can't od on those yummy orange-flavored vitamin c
drops)

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>i say nipples to the wind, girls!

sarah, *please*!  your language!  ;)

the correct term is *party hats*, dear.  party hats to the wind.

jill yr thesaurus

(still can't wipe the sassy glossary definitions outta my head...)

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i dunno jilly,
i just bought it from some guy downtown. it has its own cool little
cover and everything though...hmmm
jeri

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shelley who's-getting-a-package-soon said:
>i was thinking of going around wearing nothing but
>pantyhose and the list t-shirt...quite a statement on casual day
hm. take a picture?  ;p

>hole...m'hmmm.  quite a guilty pleasure, really.  celebrity skin hasn't
>left my walkman in two days...
go buy some come.  no, really, i mean anything by the band come
(thalia!). eleven:eleven hasn't left my stereo in two weeks.  you will
so so shake your angst-ridden groove thing.  and while you're out, pick
up the geraldine fibber's album _lost somewhere between the earth and my
home_.  also in a similar vein.  the three lead women singers have these
wonderfully raspy, chewin'-on-glass, gimme some more smokes! voices.
thalia and courtney love both also have this deranged pronounciation,
wherein they take a simple one-syllable word and stretch it out to three
or four.  (ex: courtney, in "violet": "mine is
for-eh-eh-ver-ehr-ehr-ehr-ehr."  thalia in "dead  molly":
"d-ohhhhhh-hhh-on't trust your fr-rr-eyy-yyy-einds.")  it's just great.
oh how i love seein women thrash. ;)

jill

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>ok guys... why don't we just say "bra" and have it out???
i actually *was* talking about pantyhose...

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okay, this is random, but i had this bizarre dream in which i discovered
that amy's real name was caroline.

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okay, i'm finally jumping in on this one...being another braless one, i
would prefer not to have a while t-shirt. but beyond that i just love the
color indigo (go figure, right?). my vote is for indigo shirt with cream
writing-beeeaauuuutiiifuuuuulllllllll !! thanks to those who are putting so
much time and effort into this endeavor!

peace y'all,  laura

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ok..who has my copy??? i know i had it cause i did a ton of booting for
newbies this summer..and i can't find mine..did someone get it with yers
and not tell me?? c'mon ..fess up...and...who's gonna volunteer to make
me another so i can dub it for this new batch of 12 ( which, sucker that
i am has turned to 27)newbies.....?

also..anyone got a copy of levees that break ( is that the name) they
wanna dub for an old lady?

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pooh and all, i have a copy of american tune on the newport fold fest: turn
of the decade disc.  it was either recorded in 1989 or 1990.  :)

lisa

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hey all.
that jcs video has been spoken for.
you guys are fast.
jami

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e me.  might have pointer to some resources.


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deb sez:

c) always use high bias tapes (and not all of those are created equal).

gotta beg to differ. everyone i know worth their weight in booting
equipment  uses normal bias tapes....that's what i switched to and the
difference is amazing, none of that high end static you get with high bias
tapes (so much for "noise reduction")

sus

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state university of new york at fredonia is relatively gay friendly.
basically, cuz it has a big theatre and music program...shocker...=]

-greg

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i am lookin gfor the nice man named jude who is always offering boots, if heis
out there, could we make a trade, well, really i have nothing but blanks but
they are good blanks!!!! contact me privately, thanks.

kerri

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i got created a web page in 24 hours book with a disk that i create the web
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mine. only looking to add. i also want to add some stuff about ig. what
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on tue, 29 sep 1998, swampy spice wrote:

> ><< butch as in hard(er) edged, buff, black
> leather jacket wearing, feathered hair and dangly earrings... like early
> melissa etheridge.  or amy.  ya follow?  the three of them were tapped
> into the same fashion vein>>
  that brings to mind the sexy melissa etheridge cover where she is
wearing those leather pants and she is standing with her back to the
picture. she doesn't have a shirt on and is wearing the guitar...does
anyone else totally love that one?
jeri
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someone posted something about coming out day?  i thought they said october
11th, but i've deleted that post and suddenly . . . um, need to know.  (long
story)  so if someone knows yes or no, or when or what, please let me know
soon!

also, while we're on the subject of colleges . . . i'm a junior in high
school, and dealing with the whole college thing already.  i'm presently torn
between wellesley and smith, and need to do research.  so, if anyone can offer
insight about the following three things, please let me know . . . you might
want to e-mail me directly, as i doubt anyone else really cares about this.

1) policies (and realities) about students with add, learning disabilities,
etc . . .
2) how integrated the str8 and lesbian communities are; tolerant of each
other?
3) how isolated is wellesley from interesting things?  (i get restless easily
and would like to be able to get off campus for an hour, but to some place
more exciting than au bon pan or "figs")

thank you!

~ elizabeth

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in response to the virginia slams thing, i thought that amy ray smokes?
did she quit too or just is against the whole idea of manipulation by
tobacco companies?
jeri

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i feel so ignorant but i wonder if someone could explain what bias is? this is
reminding me of a feature i saw in cooledit to adjust the bias of a sound wave
so that it's centered. i don't understand what that is except that the
documentation indicated the sound wave should be centered before other
transformation such as noise reductions are applied. i'm not clear however on
what it means for a sound wave to be centered. are high bias tapes somehow
related to this? maybe they can deal better with sound waves that are not
centered (hence high bias). could it be that if noise reduction is applied
when the sound wave is not centered, then it does not work right (seemed to be
the case for me w/ cooledit)?

teach us, o god(dess) of wit....

monique

grandma riot grrl wrote:

> deb sez:
>
> c) always use high bias tapes (and not all of those are created equal).
>
> gotta beg to differ. everyone i know worth their weight in booting
> equipment  uses normal bias tapes....that's what i switched to and the
> difference is amazing, none of that high end static you get with high bias
> tapes (so much for "noise reduction")
>
> sus
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on tue, 29 sep 1998, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:

> >from the advocate
> ten most gay-friendly schools
>- warren wilson, nc

woohoo!  warren wilson!  i'm the co-chair of our queer group!  number
three baby!  aww yeah.

-emily c

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        they are about to show an indigo girls video on vh1!!! i haven't seen
it... i'm popping in a tape right now!!

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i forgot to mention-- it's a pop-up video!


at 07:40 pm 9/29/98 -0700, emily d. mark wrote:
>        they are about to show an indigo girls video on vh1!!! i haven't seen
>it... i'm popping in a tape right now!!
>
>emily
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hi y'all,

has anyone heard from bethany lately?  i need to ask her a question and
haven't heard back from her (old?) email addy.  if you have, or if you're
reading this bethany, email me.

thanks,
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> someone posted something about coming out day?  i thought they said
october
> 11th,


i thought it was october 2nd??

peace,
- jen mek

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the only thing on the second is my birthday. coming out day is the 11th of
the month. i turn 23 before it and have no idea if i am telling anyone else
i am gay or not. most suspect that i haven't told. oh, well i will decide
then. missy

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ani did a show in columbus, oh on 4/14/98.  does anyone out there have a
boot of it?  here's the deal: i took a tape recorder to the show with
me, and left it on my seat in the way back to record, while i went down
front.  amazingly, nobody took the recorder.  well, the tape turned out
pretty bad, but i'm listening to it, turned up real high, and, get
this... right after she finishes anticipate (for anyone who's got the
show), she's talking to the crowd.  someone yells out, ani, come back to
oberlin.  she stops and laughs, and says "oooooberlin... ohio!.. " and
starts talking about how she remembers going there, what the area was
like, etc etc, on this little diatribe.  cute cute.

giggle oh my.  that was me she was talkin' to.

lamia, tell me you've got this boot and i don't have to search online to
find it...?

jilly-the-concert-conversationalist
(although this exchange can in no way measure up to my rather long ig
columbus banter with amy about airplanes and pilots and emily's
apprehension and all, when amy actually stopped the intro chords, took
her hands *off* the guitar, let go of the instrument, cause she was so
bowled over by my utter randomness, and proceeded to get emily to look
at me and my sign as well, and then they started firing questions at me
and we had a nice little chat in the middle of thousands of peeps ;).
that was nice, i wonder if they remember their airplane girl... (ha, as
if).  still have not found a recording.  that's columbus, ohio, palace
theater, 12/1/97, hint. anyone? anyone?)


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in a message dated 9/29/98, 11:22:34 pm, jah13@arches.uga.edu writes:
<<  that brings to mind the sexy melissa etheridge cover where she is
wearing those leather pants and she is standing with her back to the
picture. she doesn't have a shirt on and is wearing the guitar...does
anyone else totally love that one?>>

omg! okay, that pic. had me salivating. i love it!
mick

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sus sez:
>everyone i know worth their weight in booting
>equipment  uses normal bias tapes....
>difference is amazing, none of that high end static you get with high
bias
>tapes (so much for "noise reduction")

so you're saying it's better to *boot* (but not dub?) the original show
with a normal bias (type i) tape?  do elaborate.  maybe get all
technical.

jill the lost

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celine, attractive? a strong wind would break ms. dion in half. i like my
women with some meat on their bones damnit!

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does she really? isn't that hypocritical to be part of the slam thing then?
help, i'm being disillusioned!

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saw this in the latest issue of mother jones magazine (october '98).
mojo lists it's 5th annual top ten activist schools as follows:

*1)   duke university, durham, nc
*2)   spelman college, atlanta, ga
*3)   university of texas, austin, tx
4)   university of wisconsin, madison, wi
*5)   roxbury community college, boston, ma
*6)   college of the atlantic, bar harbor, me
*7)   james madison university, harrisonburg,            va
8)   university of north carolina, chapel hill,             nc
9)   marquette university, milwaukee, wi
*10) little big horn college, crow agency, mt

* denotes first year on list

- univ. of wi and unc have made the list all          five years;
marquette follows at three years.

if you want to read more about it, check out the mag.  it may also be
available on the mojo web site, which is http://www.mojones.com/

peace!

joan :-d

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i would be really surprised if she did!  she doesn't eat nabisco foods
because the company that owns nabisco also owns this huge tobacco
company.  i can't imagine that she'd protest against tobacco if she
smoked.

whitney

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hey guys, got this today... michelle penn is a friend of sulli's (she's
igc!), she seems to be a relatively charming chicky (carol and i talked
to her and she endured us, so...);) and she sings, too!  she'll be in
michigan this week... go go go.

>michelle penn band
>
>thursday, october 1 @ the ark, ann arbor
>w/ kari newhouse
>doors @ 7:30 p.m
>(734) 761-1451
>
>saturday, october 3 @ magic bag theater, ferndale
>w/ sister seed
>doors @ 8 p.m..
>(248) 544-3030
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>thanks for the support!


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okay, not to start anything, but it's emily who smokes (and my psycho friend
mary has some of emily's cigarette butts as momentos from the eugene concert
last spring, ewwwwwww).
-sam

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i don't know for a fact that she dosen't smoke now, but i am pretty sure
that she is an ex-smoker.  i think i've read about that somewhere...

karen

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okay, all i see is a friggin backyard barbaque. where's ig?

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>she doesn't eat nabisco foods
>because the company that owns nabisco also owns this huge tobacco
>company.

okay, so that explains the "no nabisco" warning on their shopping list
(remember the dressing room rider from a couple months back?).  now what
about the other companies they specifically avoid?  i can't recall
offhand which ones, but i'll dig up the post...

jill

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it was on at 7:30!  before i went downstairs and experienced the major
parental confrontation over studying vs. watching tv, i checked it on
the internet only to find it was over. . . sigh.

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umm...
second highest gay population in the country------------


bloomington, in
home of indiana university- bloomington.

this wasn't on any of the lists.

carrie

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sam! say it ain't so!
>it's emily who smokes...
>...my friend...has some of emily's cigarette butts...

but but but... i thought singers aren't supposed to smoke... ??? :(
damages the instrument.. sniffle.  oh man, am i let down.

jill
who won't even talk loudly the day of a performance, cause it "taxes"
the instrument (as i was indoctrinated in high school choir).

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who ever posted the vh1 thingy (emily?) can you clarify? i need to get up
for an early class tomorrow but now i'm glued to the tv! help!

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i agree, i think it's not a good move for a singer of all people to smoke. but
emily was smoking (with ferron, but that's another story...)
-sam (waiting to go to the first queer/straight alliance meeting of the year tonight)

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> sam! say it ain't so!
> >it's emily who smokes...
> >...my friend...has some of emily's cigarette butts...
>
> but but but... i thought singers aren't supposed to smoke... ??? :(
> damages the instrument.. sniffle.  oh man, am i let down.
>
> jill
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> the instrument (as i was indoctrinated in high school choir).
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>!!!
>i *knew* you'd wind up on here sooner or later...

>shannon was the only other obie who got daemon records' emails ;)
>(they'd just cc the message to the both of us, and i think i remember
>emailing her once about it... did i give you the address for this list?)

i have been on the list off and on for a while, i just dont post very often
. i didn't used to read it too much until i discovered the wonderful
invention of digest!!!
so my life is much fuller in the indigo list way, but much emptier
in the oberlin way....enjoy it while you can! (disclaimer is that madison
is pretty cool too!)
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if that's true, no wonder she sounds so insecure on some of those higher
notes . . . no harm meant, and no offense to the great and exalted emily
. . . just a warning to all you young people who might be considering
smoking . . . don't do it!

whitney

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sara lee is on vh1 at the bbq with the b52's.

she looks great!

babs

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in a message dated 98-09-30 00:19:18 edt, jmek@earthlink.net writes:

<< > someone posted something about coming out day?  i thought they said
october
> 11th,


i thought it was october 2nd?? >>


national coming out day is oct. 11th


lynn   :-)    <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 00:50:17 -0400
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let me enter a vote for my alma matter, nyu. located in the heart of
greenwhich village, and one of the most liberal schools anywhere, the
student body and administration are very tolerant of queer folk. for what
it's worth, playboy magazine has repeatedly referred to nyu as the "gauest
university" in the country.


peter a. barta (nyu '96)
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to get all i deserve and to give all i can,
and to love a young woman that i don't understand..."
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date:         tue, 29 sep 1998 21:46:31 -0700
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the official day is oct. 11 1998.  if y'all want to read more about it
go here:
http://www.youthresource.com/campaigns/ncod/index.html

yeah!!

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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        let me just ask you all this; am i the only one on this list that wears a
damn bra??  (sorry about this gentlemen on the list!)
if we do get white shirts, let me know when and where all you "free" gals are
gonna be wearing em!!  ha!!  (sorry, must be my age.."dirty thirty")

little humor for the late nite(very little!)  jennifer

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why don't y'all wear under shirts?  i do with every shirt white, black, or what
ever.  little tip.  then when it is really hot i can take off my shirt and have my
bvd tank top undershirt on.  just a little fyi.  but as for shirt colors, dark all
the way!!  white shirts get dirty and seem to sub come to holes easier too.

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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sorry for the rushed email... pop-up video showed closer to fine, but this
is west coast time. i taped it- it was pretty funny. they made a joke about
how the girls complain no one knows which is which, so throughout the video
they keep indicating which is which :) i was amused.

emily


at 11:12 pm 9/29/98 -0600, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:
>who ever posted the vh1 thingy (emily?) can you clarify? i need to get up
>for an early class tomorrow but now i'm glued to the tv! help!
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about the joke on who's who: the ig were in seventeen magazine this
month, but their names were switched!!!!!  grrrr.

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i've also read/heard that amy quit smoking a couple of years or so ago.
seems like i also heard em is an ex-smoker, though i'm not positive.  i
have heard, though, that amy gave 'em up.  my personal feeling is if
either of them wants to smoke, that's their business.  it's not like
they're committing an act of treason or something!  a lot of people just
start smoking when they're young and find it hard to quit.  i do believe
amy's voice and range have improved over the past couple of years.  has
anyone else noticed that?

on a completely different note - i bought sheryl crow's new cd tonight
and i love it.  it is a great piece of work.  there are 11 cuts, and
three of them are downright rootsy-folkie.  the rest of the cd is very
rootsy and bluesy.  i highly recommend it.

peace,

joan :-d

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hey yall...if you're in nyc check this girl out!!!!

marilyn 5 at the bitter end tonight
(wed. sept. 30th) 9:30pm
147 bleecker st., nyc (212) 673-7030

hope you're well!

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ok.. not many voted.. infact only 15... 7 voted to keep the address on the
shirt, and 8 voted to take it off.. so, i guess that doesnt say much huh.. oh
well.. whatever.. but someone posted this.. and i promise this'll be my last
words ab the subject..
1.  i believe it is true that amy and emily arent too thrilled ab our ig list
here.. and i do think they might be a bit turned off by it.. we dont want
that....
2.  i like that persons idea.. it's our lil secrect kinda!  so we can identify
each other easily.. and it kinda puts us as a happy lil family.. well, so id
like to think of it that way :)

ok, that's just my (and this other persons 'r' thoughts...)  thanks for
listening!
g'nite to all,
trooper

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>...emily was smoking (with ferron, but that's another story...)

ferron, little miss ooh-buy-my-voice-lesson-album-from-ladyslipper?!
open up your throat and sing my ass!

grumble grumble


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>if that's true, no wonder she sounds so insecure on some of those
higher
>notes . . .

actually, smoking makes the voice raspy and coarser, throatier.

her hesitation on some of the higher notes is probably due to the fact
that: a) her range (meaning the range of notes she can hit) doesn't go
up that high,
or b) there's a break in her range up there
(here's what i mean: in approximately the middle of everyone's range is
what they call a 'break'-- the spot where the notes are that you can't
quite determine which part of yourself to use to sing them.  see, the
lower notes are sung in the chest voice, which resonates in the chest.
the high notes are sung in the head voice, they resonate in, yes, the
head-- anywhere from the chin to the forehead, depending on how high
they are and whether they are frontal or glottal, etc etc.  some notes
fall in between head and chest voice.  for me, this is around b and
middle c.  can't hit them dead-on, cause they're just kind of floating
there in that space between my voices.  either i use my head voice and
they come out kinda low and breathy, or else i hit them with my chest
voice, and, since they're at the tippy top of my chest voice, they come
out *strained*, like emily's high notes). very difficult to sing through
your break as well as you can the rest of your range.

it could be any one of a number of things, but hearing her sing and
watching her face and her mouth and how she sings them (cause i listen
for 'em too), i think she's trying to hit them from too low, and she's
not getting her tone forward enough, in her mask (the frontal part of
the nose/mouth/lips region).  if her voice is too glottal (in her
throat) on those high notes, they're not gonna resonate where they
should (on the palate) and be forward enough to come out right without
having her strain and wince to hit them.  test it out yourself and see.

voice lessons are fun, everybody should try 'em! hee.

jill
sorry for spouting so much (but hey, anna knows what i'm talkin bout,
right, chickensoprano?)

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>...playboy magazine has repeatedly referred to nyu as the "gayest
>university" in the country.

...you were just readin' it for the articles, right? ;)

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"lunar foliage" cracked me up so bad i almost fell out of my chair and landed
on a cat, whose terrified expression then pushed me over the edge and i had to
stop doing my e-mail to have an asthma attack.  this list should come with a
warning label, for cats.
freida.

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oops - - i stand corrected. it is the 11th.  sorry everyone.

for more about it, you can go to the human rights campaign web site.  their
url is http://www.hrc.org/ncop/index.html .

sorry everyone!!
- jen mek
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> subject: fw: coming out day? *and* re: colleges (specifically, 7 sisters)
> date: tuesday, september 29, 1998 9:52 pm
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> i thought it was october 2nd??
>
> peace,
>  - jen mek

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i'm all about the dark indigo shirt with cream or oatmeal print.  let's
go dark!!!

--kelly

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gotta comment on the bra thing... yes i do wear one, and i want a *white*
t-shirt. but i'm happy to take whatever. i started wearing a bra when i
realised how good they looked on women (evil smirk)

> 1.  i believe it is true that amy and emily arent too thrilled ab our ig list
> here.. and i do think they might be a bit turned off by it.. we dont want
> that....

i do wish they'd look at the list some time. i know we can all be a bit
mental at times, but most of the volume of mail is not that indigo
related. it's more of an ig lifestyle thing :) we don't all sit here
slavering over them or whatever :)

yeah, and emily's voice... can't imagine her break is so high... i have a
higher voice than her and my break is kind of somewhere in the middle of
amy's range (which i guess is why i prefer emily's songs). i dunno. a lot
of her songs seem to have high notes with no run-up to them, just one
isolated, quiet note, which is *really* tricky to sing.

oh dear. all the choir girls are coming out of the woodwork :)

sharon
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the long dark night. this wee cold country. ach.
-alan spence

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emily's [occasional] hesitancy in hitting high notes probably has more
to do with the fact that she has nodules on her vocal chords than it
does smoking (if she indeed still smokes). i believe she had kind of a
hard time with that during the first part of the lilith tour last year.

peace,

joan :-d

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i forgot to vote - i think that the address should stay.  *shrugs*
i also think that if em and amy aren't too thrilled about it, and we want
to make them happy - why is the list still here?  i'm ecstatic that the
list is still here - and i love being on it, but the fact is the list
exists.  the web site about the list is on the web and it reaches a hell
of a lot more people than 700 t-shirts will.

i guess i have just been in too many situations where people have been all
gung-ho about something and then one little thing and they want to change
everything (like when i wanted my sign language performace group to
perform everything possible by the flirtations and they just hear the
first part and think everything is great and we should do it...then a
couple days later when i bring them the complete lyrics...they insist that
we edit the "some women love women, and some men love men - some raise
children and some never do." line or we won't do it...not exactly the same
thing but i wanted to tell the story :p)

anyways - on color: i changed my mind - indigo shirts would kick ass (with
cream lettering) :)

--audra
*who shoved a sock in her mouth to stop babbling*

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of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

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just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 08:35:02 -0600
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>why don't y'all wear under shirts?  i do with every shirt white, black, or
>what
>ever.  little tip.

personally, i can't wait until someone hatches the idea of
indigo-girls@netspace.org *shorts*, so we guys can hold the great "jock
strap debate '98".

justin

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>personally, i can't wait until someone hatches the idea of
>indigo-girls@netspace.org *shorts*, so we guys can hold the great "jock
>strap debate '98".
>
>justin

<rich cracks up  and falls in the floor laughing>  justin, that's great!

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from what i remember......

amy used to smoke american spirit cigarettes. i've seen them in
tobacco speciality shops. the company that manufactured them did no animal
testing on products or the cigarettes had no additives or there was
something environmentally "right" about the brand/company. i think she may
have quit smoking around the time of 1200c release.

emily used to smoke, quit (i don't have the interview but i remember she
mentioned the quality of her voice improving after quitting) but may have
started back. didn't she have a bout with nodes on her vocal
chords...cancelled a show or something last year and was requested to rest
her voice for a few days?

nancy humphries
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    <   let me just ask you all this; am i the only one on this list
that wears a damn bra?? >


i am not afraid to stand up and declare myself to be a freedom loving
bra-wearing female!!  personally.. i think indigo-list shorts (boxers)
would be great... an entire outfit consisting entirely of ig  : )

of course, that would lead to the "boxers or briefs" discussion among
the male listees.. which could be highly entertaining....

much love,

joanne

"i dreamed you were a tourist in the arizona sun,
i could see you there with lunar balls and
watermelon gum.."
r.e.m.

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> *7)   james madison university, harrisonburg,            va

woo-hoo!  not my alma mater, but i work here now & i went to school at
eastern mennonite university, which is in h'burg as well.  slightly
annoyed that jmu got listed above emu, since emu has a tradition as
being activist because of the mennonite affiliation.

anna

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swampy spice wrote:

> sorry for spouting so much (but hey, anna knows what i'm talkin bout,
> right, chickensoprano?)

yeah!  i was really enjoying your post here about voice stuff since i'm
a little out of it now that i graduated and don't have choir three times
a week.  another little random factoid is that most pop singers (or
anyone not classically trained or following classical training) tend to
sing entirely from their chest voice.  if you've got the range, it can
put more umph in the sound, but in the long run it screws up the voice.
for instance, when i've been singing along with my meredith brooks cd
for too long, i can feel it in my voice.

:)
anna

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rich benson wrote:

> >personally, i can't wait until someone hatches the idea of
> >indigo-girls@netspace.org *shorts*, so we guys can hold the great
> "jock
> >strap debate '98".
> >
> >justin
>
> <rich cracks up  and falls in the floor laughing>  justin, that's
> great!
>
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hey, guys get after it!  we gals can sit back and have hysterics while
you post back and forth for a change!  lol.   [ann]

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when the girls have been asked about the internet in interviews, amy has
said that she thinks it's a valuable tool for sharing things about music
and spreading the word about performers. she said that she thiniks it's bad
to have her private life discussed. since we are super careful about doing
that on this list, i think we're abiding by their wishes. we shouldn't
worry about it. just my thoughts.

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got shawn mullins..hes...um..ok..lots if influemnce by john prine,
kristofferson and phillips..soooooooo
go get
john prine( i could swear hes 'shauns ( is there a w in there??the cd is
outside in my brand new subaru outback!!!whoo hoo!!!)...big brother
tom waites.especially from the years he was slumming with rickie lee
kris kristofferson(original "sunday mornin comin down")
harry chapin..just because
and for a phenominal singer songwriter guitarist from my college days:
shawn phillips phillips...the vocal range on this guy will take your
breath away...and he can play guitar with the best of then,,,

personal  ps...to my new best friend bar..next time i read a letter from
you i gotta remember not to have a mouth full of coffee...it costs lots
of money to get theses laptops cleaned ;)

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in a message dated 9/30/98, 11:05:36 am, joanne.cusick@cexp.com writes:
<< <   let me just ask you all this; am i the only one on this list
that wears a damn bra?? >>>

i'm a feminist, and i'm proud to say that i wear a bra...you can't climb
trees, play soccer, run, or do any of the other tomboy-ish things i need to do
without one :-)

mick

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<< <   let me just ask you all this; am i the only one on this list
that wears a damn bra?? >>>


the way i see it...a sports bra is just an undershit that shrunk to
fit.......ya can't fence or throw the discus without one..sparkie

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on wed, 30 sep 1998, pooh wrote:

> shawn mullins..hes...um..ok..

   i've heard everybody ranting and raving about him -- sarah m said that
he was the main reason she considered having guys play on the '98 lilith
tour.  i haven't had a chance to listen to any of his stuff, tho.

> harry chapin..just because
> and for a phenominal singer songwriter guitarist from my college days:

   droolworthy stuff here -- his live stuff is especially good.  does
anybody happen to have the tribute concert album and wish to sell it or
boot it for me?  it's completely out of print, and i need a copy of
springsteen's "remember when..."

   how about jim croce?  he's an amazing fingerpicker, and his voice is
gorgeous -- unfortunately, he's too often associated with "leroy brown",
which is not indicative of his other work at all.

   john hiatt -- early stuff is very folk/country sounding, slower and
more sensitive.  newer stuff is more of that "barroom brawl" sound.  he
also penned shloads of songs for other people -- many of bonnie raitt's
hits, that "through your hands" song that henley did.

   darius

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a sports bra is just an undershit that shrunk to


okay....freudian slip..out of the lingerie drawer...undershirt>>>>
sparkie

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okay just realized that i am moving back to mesa arizona on the 11th.
coming out day. i haven't come out to any of my family. i have 8
brothers and sisters, plus my mom. no one knows. mom may have an idea.33
years old and for the first time i am hesitant about going home.....
sparkie

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can someone direct me to the site where i can download those things i
can put on the newbie boots?? you all know what i'm talking about..i
just don't remember what they are called..
btw..remember l;ast year when somone boot birchmere  and toronto and amy
ray singer sonwriter and they came with the map covers..( you know who
you are)..they were fantastic.. do you have anymore?? i'm coping some of
those and would like to include them..e me privately, ok?
thanks
pooh

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at 08:55 pm 9/29/98 , grandma riot grrl wrote:
>deb sez:
>
>c) always use high bias tapes (and not all of those are created equal).
>
>gotta beg to differ. everyone i know worth their weight in booting
>equipment  uses normal bias tapes....

then by *all* means avoid my tape trees!

>that's what i switched to and the
>difference is amazing, none of that high end static you get with high bias
>tapes (so much for "noise reduction")

<shrug> that's news to me, but maybe i'll try it.  still, the
alt.music.bootleg faq <http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~ozcam/faqtitle.html>
agrees with me <http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~ozcam/faqtop4.html>.

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so i went to the crutchfield site deb sent to the list earlier and found
a handy dandy glossary that helped make sense of this bias stuff:

bias -- an inaudible high-frequency tone (typically around 100 khz)
which is mixed with the input signal and passed through the recording
head to excite the tape particles, preparing them to record effectively.
each tape formulation
     requires a particular bias level to maximize its recording
response. if too much bias is used, high-frequency response will be
impaired, causing the recording to sound dull. if too little is used,
high frequencies will be accentuated, causing the recording to sound
overly bright and harsh. in addition, distortion will increase and the
amount of signal the tape can accept at middle frequencies will decline.

the manual for my tape deck mentions that it uses ac bias during the
recording process. the bias mentionned in cooledit is dc bias. related
but different. based on this info, it makes sense that recording using a
high bias tape is only a good idea if your redorder has a high bias
(cro2) setting, otherwise, too little bias is used resulting in the
problems mentionned above which jive with those susan described. i
remember reading about using normal bias tapes for booting on the list a
long time ago, so i've been using normal bias tapes for recording w/o
really understanding why. actually my recording walkman does have a cro2
(high bias) setting so i would think it's okay to use high bias tapes
with it. i'm not sure most analog recording walkmans have this setting
however.

other things i learned from reading my tape deck manual:
- the recording level for high bias tapes should be set to peak at +
2db, 0db for normal bias
- tape heads and rollers need to be cleaned w/ qtips and isopropyl
alcohol every 10 or so hours. if you've been using your tape deck round
the clock to dub stuff for people like i have, the tape heads probably
need cleaning desperately.
- tape heads need to be demagnetized once in a while. anyone have info
on how to do that?
- as discussed before on the list, the manual mentions that high speed
dubbing and reverse recording might lower sound quality.

cheers,

monique

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have i lost my mind, or didn't someone post a boot tree for the nyc sst
show, and another one too like chicago or milwakee? i am sooo behind on the
list mail that i have been deleting like crazy. did i delete this info or is
it still upcoming?  a private reply will be fine! i sure would love to have
a good quality copy of one of these shows, since the pacific northwest was
woefully deprived of this groundbreaking tour :( !! thanks in advance all
you wonderful peoples!

peace,  laura

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yeah...well, i'm really stupid this semester so far.  organic chemistry,
quantitative analysis & genetics are a bunch of jerky classes & i'm
starting to lose all sense of being smart (besides the classes making no
sense, the simple stuff in life isn't either).  so, i'm gonna sign off
the list til i get smart again (or until november or when marching band
lets up.....).  i don't want to lose my scolarship....
i'm gonna miss this, but with less e-mail i'll have 1 thing less to
procrastinate studying with.
if anyone is any good in those classes drop me a line!!!
carol ann, signing off....

ps-jill...forward me to cool stuff, ok?  like spitfire reviews etc.
like ya did before i joined.....


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maybe the reason emily has seemed to gain so much weight over the last
year is b/c she quit smoking. a possibililty maybe?
jeri

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on tue, 29 sep 1998, swampy spice wrote:

>
> >...playboy magazine has repeatedly referred to nyu as the "gayest
> >university" in the country.
>
> ...you were just readin' it for the articles, right? ;)

absolutely. ( ; in defense of my magazine tastes, the articles are
actually very good and very feminist in terms of political slant. playboy
was one of the first magazines to promote women's freedom of choice, both
in terms of abortion rights and sexuality in general.

peter a. barta
bartap@law.georgetown.edu

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him as if he had saved a whole universe."
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to get all i deserve and to give all i can,
and to love a young woman that i don't understand..."
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hi everyone!
                   first of all i want to thank everyone who replied to my
last letter.  i have never felt so welcome!  it's amazing!  my life is
starting to come back together...sort of.  i hope by the end of this week,
i'll have it together.  i don't know right now what's happeneing.

just so you know, i'm an obsessive compacter.  i'll read the list for a few
days, come up with a hundred responses, then compact them all into a mega long
e mail...actually today isn't that long :  )  just have a few things to say.

on bras: i ride horses.  that's my sport and it's severely uncomfortable to do
it without them.  that's not an excuse, because i am more comfortable with
them on.  i do vote for a lighter tee shirt because i'm out in the sun a lot.
sun attracts to darker colors.  now when the guys are done with their ig boxer
fight, i'll order a pair of those too, to sleep in!

on hey jesus:  this is the song i am currently obsessed with!  i would really
like to hear any of emily's comments on it.  does anyone have a boot or
articole where she makes any remarks on what/who it's about and what happened
when she wrote it?  e mail me privately and give me the highlights!

rae
"i stood without clothes danced in the sand i was aching with freedom kissing
the damned"

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 13:29:10 -0500
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barbara corrice...i tried to email you directly the addy didn't
go...whats up....sorry for nigc....help me find this woman who is in
lust.....sparkie

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here's what john miller sent the list about a year ago, and i trust his
opinion enough to have kept it.  john's opinion is based on catering to the
lowest common denominator, which isn't my goal (and is why i ask for people
who have good equipment).  his stance is (and its finished in a forthcoming
message) that normal tapes, recorded properly, can indeed be *as good as*
(but not better than) high bias.  if you assume everyone's using decent
equipment, high bias provides a better quality cassette case and more
headroom if the recording is at a higher level.  but he recommends
recording normal bias tapes at lower levels to account for those whose
decks don't record or play high bias tapes properly.

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>date:  sat, 19 jul 1997 03:04:15 -0700
>reply-to: john miller <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
>from: john miller <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>i have received over 60 replies to my offer of the berkeley boots, and
>while discussing tape copying with some people, i've discovered there is
>some confusion about (1) tape types, (2) hi-speed dubbing, and (3) dolby.
>
>in the interest of minimizing list bandwidth, i will simply summarize here
>my opinions about the three topics above, and invite those interested in
>more detail to write me privately.
>
>1.  tape types - there are three tape types:
>
>    1.  normal or 'type i'     low-bias
>    2.  chrome or 'type ii'    high-bias
>    3.  metal  or 'type iv'    high-bias
>
>    use normal, whenever possible... if your leaf can only use normal tape,
>                then your source tape must be normal (unless your dubbing
>                equipment allows mixing tape types while copying... and
>                most dubbing decks do *not* allow mixing tape types.
>
>                remember, not all decks can play high-bias tapes properly,
>                much less record high-bias tapes... copying for the lowest
>                common denominator is sometimes the best strategy.
>
>2.  hi-speed dubbing - i have only one thing to say... never use it!
>
>                yes, it saves you time, but it makes seriously degraded
>                copies... i can usually tell with just a few moments of
>                listening if i've received a tape made with high-speed
>                dubbing... do your leaves a favor... don't ever use it.
>
>3.  dolby - not an easy-to-explain subject, but once again, do not use it
>                unless (1) your leaf specifically requests (demands) it,
>                and (2) you make sure they know what they're getting...
>
>                branches should never use dolby unless they have *two*
>                tape decks for making copies, know what dolby does to a
>                taped program, and have the ability to make copies with
>                dolby off (while their source tape has dolby on).
>
>                if your branch tape is made with dolby on, you  *may*  be
>                degrading the sound for everyone who gets copies from you.
>
>i realize this post (especially the dolby comments) may not be completely
>clear to everyone, and i welcome your questions via private email.
>
>three more things:
>
>1.  ignoring these suggestions will *not* make your tapes bad.
>
>    it just makes them not-as-good-as-they-could-be... but if everyone
>    in the tape-copy chain ignores these suggestions, the tape quality
>    degrades very quickly.
>
>2.  a most important issue regarding good tape copies *may* be to keep your
>    tape heads and capstan rollers clean.  while not the *best* way to keep
>    your equipment clean, those little tape-cleaning kits found at tower,
>    sam goody, wherehouse, best buy, etc can perform near miracles on a
>    dirty tape deck... these kits contain a tape cassette with felt pads,
>    and a small bottle of cleaner... be sure to follow directions, and if
>    you wish to know about better products, write me privately.
>
>3.  it is a *myth* that every tape generation produces degraded quality.
>
>    it is possible to *enhance* a copy, making it sound *better* than
>    the original... and i've done it for several people on this list...
>    but you need two separate tape decks and some special techniques.
>
>    however, even using a dubbing deck you can, with care, make copies
>    which sound as good as the original... at least to most ears.

>john miller   <jmiller@wdl.lmco.com>
>san jose ca

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here is john's response to some questions i sent him about his post... i'm
certain he won't mind me sending it to the list.

>date: fri, 25 jul 1997 23:02:28 -0700
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> >i used bitch at people who sent me normal tapes, now i'm sure to always
> >specify high-bias.  i've never had any problem mixing tapes, and i
> >generally only use high bias anyway.
>
>so do i, just for a little safety margin on the 'headroom', in case i have
>inadvertently set my recording level too high... then excessive 'peaks' do
>not cause distortion... also, cassette cases for high-bias tapes are usually
>better.  my point was that if you are making tapes for those who don't have
>high-bias capability (and i'm *amazed* at how many people
>don't know they lack high-bias capability), low-bias is better...
>and as long as it's properly recorded, low-bias has the same sound quality
>as high-bias.

>good dubbing decks will
>permit mixing tape types... the play tape-well automatically senses
>which type you are using, and you manually *set* type for the record
>tape-well... the automatic sensing is done via those little square holes
>you see on the top edge of the cassette (next to the record-permit tabs
>that we both remove so we won't record over programs)... look at three
>blank tapes you have at home... look at all three types... you'll find
>the 'hole' pattern is different for each type:
>
>    1.  low-bias has none (only the write-permit tabs)
>
>    2.  high-bias chrome has two *next* to the write-permit tabs
>        (which means if you ever tape over the tabs to permit re-using
>         the tape, be sure not to tape over the adjacent space which
>         defines the tape as 'chrome')
>
>    3.  high-bias metal has the same as chrome, *plus* two extra holes
>        nearer the center.
>
>but *entry-level* dubbing decks (under $100) generally assume both tape
>wells have exactly the same tape type in each well... either low-bias in
>both, or high-bias in both.
>
>    ----
>
>re: low-bias vs high-bias sound quality:
>
>the only measurable difference between low and high-bias tapes is that
>high-bias tapes (chrome or metal) permit higher recording-levels (i.e.
>volume) before signal saturation (distortion) is reached.
>
>     sidebar: i suspect that the poor quality low-bias tapes
>              you've received have been recorded too close to
>              the saturation level of the tape formulation.
>
>there is no other difference... although there are quality differences
>between different brands of low-bias tapes (same is true with high-bias).
>
>high-quality low-bias tapes are more than adequate, and are used almost
>exclusively by sound engineers for taping shows off of live radio.
>
>low-bias tapes do *not* have more noise (tape hiss), nor do they have any
>problems recording the entire frequency range... they simply cannot take
>excessively high volumes (which i'll define below) without distortion.
>
>there are some low-bias brands (maxell/tdk) which have almost the dynamic
>range (low-volume to high-volume) as typical 'chrome' high-bias tapes
>(especially compared to low-priced high-bias)... just as there are some
>high-priced chrome tapes (maxell xlii-s) with nearly the same dynamic
>range as metal tapes.
>
>it is also true that the cases of low-bias tapes are generally less well
>made, so vibration/resonance might be worse with the low-bias products,
>but unless you have audiophile gear (i don't) i doubt anyone could hear
>the difference, especially when listening to a rock-show audience tape.
>
>a good low-bias tape made *at proper recording levels* will sound just as
>good in a blindfold test as the same program recorded on high-bias tapes.
>i have performed this test on others, and i've had sound engineers perform
>it on me... if the low-bias tape was properly recorded, on *quality* brands
>(eg. maxell or tdk) it's not possible to hear any difference.
>
>btw, even though high-bias tapes permit higher recording levels, if you
>actually *use* higher recording levels you risk increased 'print-through',
>a condition where the signal on one layer of tape is magnetically induced
>into adjacent tape layers... especially on longer (thinner) tapes... all
>tapes in long-term storage ultimately experience some print-through, but
>tapes recorded at high levels will suffer print-through sooner (months!).
>
>my rule is to adjust recording levels to 'peak' at +2 to +3 decibels (note,
>this is using *my* recording meters, which may not match *your* recording
>meters... not only are different meters adjusted differently, but certain
>meters react more-or-less quickly to changes in levels)... i apply this
>rule to all tapes, regardless of bias-type, even though chrome tapes will
>easily tolerate levels of +4, and metal tapes will easily tolerate levels
>of +6 (again, my equipment, not yours).
>
>thus, every tape i make is (with few exceptions) recorded at exactly the
>same level... it also helps that my equipment has a tone generator with
>which i fine-tune the bias adjustment for each tape... i have found that
>different batches of the same brand-and-type will have slightly different
>factory-induced bias requirements... another surprise i've discovered is
>that of the two 'best' brands (maxell and tdk), tdk's bias is more likely
>to vary *on the same tape* (thus my adjustment is an 'approximation' of
>'perfection'), while maxell's bias setting will remain stable throughout
>the entire tape... however, this is sound-tech nit-picking... both tdk
>and maxell are waaaay superior to any other consumer brands, especially
>in the low-bias formulations...  sony low-bias is horrendous!  fuji and
>memorex low-bias are barely tolerable for music.
>
> >>            remember, not all decks can play high-bias tapes properly,
> >
> >really?  i know many don't play metal tapes, but high bias?!
>
>the key word may be 'properly'... btw, metal and chrome tapes have more
>in common with each other than normal tape has with chrome tape... any
>machine properly *set* for chrome tape is already closely approximating
>metal tape's requirements... but adjustments to record normal low-bias
>tape is distinctly different from that needed by either chrome or metal.
>
>in my correspondence with people on several mailing lists
>i have discovered that a surprisingly large number of people only have a
>cd-boombox w/ dubbing-deck... their gear has no capability to 'set' tape
>type, which means it plays/records only low-bias... several branches for
>recent ig boots have told me this is the only equipment they have. which
>means i send them low-bias blanks, not high-bias blanks... it they can't
>adjust bias, i don't want their low-bias signal to go on my chrome tape.

>probably the most common cause of bad tapes is dirty gear... oxide brushes
>off the tape onto the heads, preventing proper tape/head alignment, thus
>poor recorded signals... oxide on the capstan and capstan-follower (that
>little rubber wheel) will prevent the machine from maintaining proper tape
>speed... the pre-packaged kits do a good job, but the best job requires
>you to manually clean heads... note, this may be impossible on car players
>because of their design, so these pre-packaged kits may be the only way to
>clean car audio gear (which lives in a hostile, dirty, hot environment).
>
>manual cleaning:
>
>you'll need to go to an audiophile equipment store (radio shack may still
>carry them) and purchase (1) long wooden q-tip-like things for cleaning
>inside the deck, and (2) purchase a cleaner especially made for cleaning
>rubber capstan followers... many of the pre-packaged cleaning kits just
>use alcohol, which will cause rubber to dry out (get hard, brittle, and
>crack) prematurely.  be cautious about leaving little cotton-like fibers
>stuck inside the machine after cleaning... one advantage of pre-packaged
>kits is they use felt, not cotton balls which can leave fibers... the
>biggest disadvantage of pre-packaged kits is the tendency to not change
>the felt pads often enough.
>
>the other *big* thing you can do to reduce tape hiss generated by your
>deck is to de-magnetize the heads... sony suggests doing this every 30
>to 50 hours... you can perform a test on your own gear:
>
>  1.  play a blank tape for 30 seconds... note you can turn the volume
>      waaaay up and probably hear next-to-nothing.
>
>  2.  record 30 seconds of 'silence', with the recording level turned
>      as low as possible.
>
>  3.  play back this recorded silence... chances are you will hear hiss
>      at a much lower volume setting than in step #1... this represents
>      the minimum noise your gear generates every time you make a tape.
>
>  4.  de-magnetize your heads... i use a high-quality kit which looks
>      like a cassette tape... you insert the cassette, turn volume off,
>      and press play for a few seconds... the electronic circuits in
>      this cassette generate an alternating-current signal which starts
>      strong enough to *magnetize* your heads, but since it's alternating
>      current, the polarity is changing dozens of times per second... as
>      the device continues working, the strength of the signal is reduced
>      to nothing... so while your heads are being magnetized (both poles),
>      the signal finally reduces to zero, leaving your heads un-magnetized.
>
>      after 30-to-50 hours of passing magnetized tape past your heads,
>      some residual magnetism is passed from tape to your heads, and you
>      need to de-magnetize again... note: if you use music-search feature
>      on your deck (the deck looks for dead air between songs, and counts
>      its way through the tape until it finds a particular song), you'll
>      magnetize your heads more quickly... this is caused by the high-speed
>      movement of the tape *while the tape touches the heads*... normal
>      fast-forwarding does not cause a problem since the tape does not
>      touch the heads during fast-forward.
>
>  5.  now repeat step #2... the 'sound of silence' should be quieter.
>
>
>re: de-magnetizing heads:
>
>      note, this advice is not without controversy... some sound techs
>      insist you go to a technician to have the job done manually... the
>      technician uses a hand-held de-magnetizer producing alternating
>      current magnetic field in a very small space, then the device is
>      sloooowly move toward the heads, then sloooowly moved away... the
>      intent is to overcome the magnetism already in your heads with a
>      stronger and constantly alternating polarity, then slowly reduce
>      the effect to zero by drawing the device away from the heads.  i
>      have used such a device myself, but it depends on *my* skill...
>      and if i get careless, i can damage my watch (!) or even my heads.
>
>      i prefer the automated cassette de-magnetizer, which does all this
>      under 'computer' control.
>
>re: enhancing copies:
>
> >>3.  it is a *myth* that every tape generation produces degraded quality.
> >>
> >>    it is possible to *enhance* a copy, making it sound *better* than
> >>    the original... and i've done it for several people on this list...
> >>    but you need two separate tape decks and some special techniques.
> >
> >which you'll send me one of these days, right? :)
>
>here's an attempt... note all enhancement requires two decks, as dubbing
>decks, by design, only *duplicate* tapes.
>
>with a typical dubbing deck, you can copy a tape to be (almost) exactly
>like the source tape (i say *almost* because some 'noise' is introduced
>during the tape-copy process), but:
>
>    1.  you cannot change recording levels (they are set automatically)
>
>    2.  the dolby encoding used (or not used) is forced to be the same
>        on both tapes
>
>    3.  cheap dubbing decks even force 'bias' setting (type i, ii, iv)
>        to be the same on both tapes, even if the tapes are different.
>
>    4.  you cannot enhance/modify/correct the program by inserting
>        any devices/circuits (eg, equalizer) between the two tapes.
>
>        note: using an equalizer while dubbing only affects the playback
>              signal... it does not affect the *recorded* signal.
>
>however, some of the things i can do with two decks are:
>
>    1.  change recording levels... most useful if i get a tape which is
>        much too quiet... sounding weak... barely able to be heard... i
>        can adjust my output deck to record a signal much stronger than
>        the original.
>
>    2.  i can record *from* any dolby setting (off, a, b, and s)
>                       *to* any dolby setting (off, a, b, and s).
>
>    3.  i can record *from* any tape type
>                       *to* any tape type.
>
>    4.  i can *edit* the tape, adding fade-outs, fade-ins, etc... the
>        resulting tape has none of those abrupt starts/stops heard on
>        most boots.
>
>    5.  i can insert special circuits/devices between the two decks:
>
>        a.  an equalizer, with which i can adjust the tonal spectrum...
>            most often i add high-frequency notes to bring out vocals
>            (most boot tapes are made much too close to the stage, the
>            worst possible place from which to tape, because all high
>            frequencies are aimed over your head to the venue's center,
>            and you lose the high frequencies which are critical to
>            hearing vocals clearly).
>
>        b.  a mixing-board (just like that used at a radio station) with
>            which i can (1) adjust right/left channel balance (in case
>            original tape was made too close to one side of the stage),
>            or (2) i can correct tapes with one channel missing (!)...
>            this happens occasionally, mostly because the taper didn't
>            push their mic cord all the way into their recorder, thus
>            recording only one channel... with a mixing board i can
>            send that one channel to *both* channels of my output tape.
>
>        c.  a 'compression' circuit can be inserted between both decks.
>            this device reduces the dynamic range (distance between the
>            quietest and loudest sounds) to match the requirements of the
>            tape you have available.  it's little known that almost all
>            recorded music is recorded through compression circuits...
>            live music has a volume range which exceeds most tape (even
>            metal tape)... the compression circuit monitors the recent
>            'average' sound level and compares it to older 'averages'
>            of the same show, boosting super-quiet passages and reducing
>            peak volumes... all the music you have in your library was
>            probably recorded through compression circuits... and radio
>            stations play *that* music through additional compression, to
>            guarantee that even the quietest passages will be heard (dead
>            air is a radio no-no), and peaks will never exceed a pre-set
>            level.  that's one of the reasons taping off live radio makes
>            such high-quality boots.
>
>dubbing-decks vs. single-well decks:
>
>i believe each type of deck has it's purpose... i have a high-quality
>dubbing deck with which i can almost automate tape copying (assuming my
>dubbing source is good)... i have the sony tc-we805s, which *does* allow
>setting each well to different tape types... also, it will automatically
>calibrate itself to any tape type and *brand*... and will automatically
>adjust recording-level peaks while recording (but not while dubbing).
>
>my other deck is the sony tc-ke500s, a three head single tape model that
>will allow me to fine-tune bias settings for any tape, with even greater
>precision than the auto-calibration available on my dubbing deck.  being
>able to fine-tune bias permits the best sound possible on that particular
>tape.  i use this deck to make all my dubbing masters, then i make copies
>using my dubbing deck.
>
>  heads (two vs. three):
>
>  most machines have two heads...
>
>    all two-head machines have an erase head and a read/write head.
>    the read/write head will either 'play' (read) or 'record' (write),
>    but a read/write head is a compromise, as head design for 'reading'
>    is different from head design for 'writing'.
>
>  but some machines have three heads...
>
>    all three-head machines have an erase head, a read head, and a write
>    head... besides the advantage of allowing the read and write heads to
>    be optimally designed for their specific purposes, i can use the read
>    head to listen (usually via headphones) to the actual signal which is
>    being recorded by the write head... during recording!
>
>i always re-master any tape i boot myself... at the minimum, i edit the
>tape, using fade-outs/fade-ins... and i usually find i have to adjust
>channel-balance since i rarely get to sit along the venue's midline...
>and when i'm in the mosh pit, i have to add equalization to enhance
>the vocals.

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 14:47:11 -0400
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sparkie wrote <<barbara corrice ...  help me find this woman
who is in lust>>
geez o' flip sparkie ~ you're just full of dem freudian
slips today ~
you meant list, right?  altho, lust ~ sounds good to me!
*wink* *wink*  luv, bar

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 13:54:44 -0600
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subject:      re: [nigc] top 10 activist campuses
x-to:         joan morrison <morrison_joan@webtv.net>
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marquette---thats news to me! i go there...hmmm.
anyone else out there go to mu-

on tue, 29 sep 1998, joan morrison wrote:

> saw this in the latest issue of mother jones magazine (october '98).
> mojo lists it's 5th annual top ten activist schools as follows:
>
> *1)   duke university, durham, nc
> *2)   spelman college, atlanta, ga
> *3)   university of texas, austin, tx
>  4)   university of wisconsin, madison, wi
> *5)   roxbury community college, boston, ma
> *6)   college of the atlantic, bar harbor, me
> *7)   james madison university, harrisonburg,            va
>  8)   university of north carolina, chapel hill,             nc
>  9)   marquette university, milwaukee, wi
> *10) little big horn college, crow agency, mt
>
> * denotes first year on list
>
> - univ. of wi and unc have made the list all          five years;
> marquette follows at three years.
>
> if you want to read more about it, check out the mag.  it may also be
> available on the mojo web site, which is http://www.mojones.com/
>
> peace!
>
> joan :-d
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at 08:26 pm 9/28/98 , amy m. swenson wrote:
>i bought a cd called "uptown girls" that seems to be a german import. the
>first 12 or so tracks are recorded live at the uptown lounge, and the
>other 3 tracks are studio versions of three hits, least complicated, and
>power of two. three hits and least complicated are *not* the versions from
>the epic albums. does anyone know anything about this cd? are the live
>tracks the same as the ones on the uptown video (which i don't get until
>christmas...argh)?

yes, sadly, this is a cd pirated from the video.

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i just have a tiny bit to say about this recent subject. who cares? we
have been mixing comments about how the list is good about staying away
from private matters and yet we are engaging in a lengthy discussion on
emily's weight regarding smoking. who cares whether they smoke or not.
this isn't a flame, i am just bombarded with information that isn't
neccessarily pertinent to my daily obsession. i don't care if amy or emily
saddle up joe camel and ride him like a pony around the country. it just
shouldn't really matter and be a discussion that has went on with this
much depth. sorry.

alayna

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alright chickies and chicos...another question for ya.  has anyone out
there ever started a zine or independent publication (even a really
small one)?  or worked on one?  could you fill me in on any tips or
experiences you might have?  this tape compilation sparked an idea in my
head, but first i'd like to hear from anyone with experience.

shelley (slow-quickly filling her half un-busy life)

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hi all,

i have two questions that i *know* someone has a burning desire to
answer.  y'all know sooo much about music.

1.  where can i order lourdes perez albums?  i contacted the person
listed on her website a week ago and haven't gotten a response.  i
remember reading about someone who was listening to her album at the
time of the post so whoever it is, 'fess up.

2.  cat b'lues.  has anyone heard of them?  i have one album "deep down"
and saw them on tv a few months ago and they said they had a new one
coming out.  no one i know has heard anything one way or another.  they
are from la (i think) so some of you west coasters might have more of a
clue than moi.  i called ladyslipper and they haven't heard of a new
album and have been searching the web for stuff with no avail.  btw, i
recommend this album whole-heartedly.  especially to anyone who loves
the blues-type stuff a+e sometimes add to their stuff.

forever indebted to whoever answers this plea...

kris

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actually, the only reason i became interested in the subject of smoking
or not was prompted by someone's post that both amy and emily were a
part of virginia slams or advocate it and i thought it interesting
considering i had heard somewhere that they smoke or did smoke. just
trying to figure out that reasoning there. sorry, not trying to pry
into their "personal lives" if you consider the fact someone smokes a
private issue.
jeri

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cusick, joanne - aurora, co wrote:
>
>
> of course, that would lead to the "boxers or briefs" discussion among
> the male listees.. which could be highly entertaining....
>

....hey hey....not only the male listees.....i might not be the only one
who boycotted womens underwear !!!!  ; )

(and personally...not that any of you need to know and ill probably be
mortified that 700 people know this....but i'm a boxer brief kinda
woman.....ya know .....like the marky mark calvins??? hee hee...i gots
me some of them too...too much too pay for undies though....i stick with
the fruit of the loom multi packs....the chickies seem to like em
tho...)

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i must say...i was at jmu for a semester....and  maybe compared to the
areas around here in central and southwestern va  it might seem liberal
and open...but im a born and bred notheastern city grrl and it didnt
really seem so open to me compared to other places ive been....
in fact...i didnt have a very good time there at all...had a lot more
trouble with some ignorant students and locals than i expected...


kim

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i've noticed that emily sings from her head most of the time, her head and
neck posture indicating that she's open in her throat and soft palate. on not-
so-high bits, she'll let her neck close up and sing from her chest, maybe even
get a little lazy about it.  of course, it is the chest voice that is the
"true" voice of an individual--the head voice, when done "right" tends to
focus into a "clean" note, the kind of note that blends in with others, making
the individual singer disappear.  i'd say emily is a metzo-soprano, and when
amy is carrying the melody and emily is harmonizing over her, then emily goes
into "choir girl" mode, open throat, so that she blends in perfectly, and
then, well, there are the harmonic overtones...   i'm wondering if amy has
ever been seen/heard to go into a head voice?  i suspect it would be almost a
falsetto.  if amy ever had voice lessons, it looks to me like she's
disregarded the methods, fortunately for us.  and then there is the guitar
positions... emily obviously has studied classical guitar, and she holds her
ax that way to give her fingers the right angles to get those nice, clean
notes.  amy's guitar is slung low and sexy, like a rock star.  because of
these differences, it seems to me that the music they make as a pair is
somehow exponentially greater than the sum... thanks for letting me ramble
on...
freida.

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after four years on the list it is time for me to go. it has been fun
(mostly) and i enjoyed meeting some of you..... thanks to everyone who took
me under their wing when i lived in the usa. my contract here at work has
come to an end and so i will lose my e-mail account. time to move on in
life.........

take care all
sharon

ps. i will have a new e-mail address soon but i won't be able to subscribe
to the list. if anyone feels the urge to keep in contact with me then my
address will be:

saj10@le.ac.uk

dr sharon a. jennings
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i've been a busy little goddess.. so this is a bit late... much love to
all and happy birfday (thanks, barb) to the following...

libra
(sept. 23 -oct. 23)
  libra should endeavor not to lose his/her cool this week as it could
be either disastrous to your love life or your career. you may feel out
of sorts for a few days and this could be the cause of your unrest, so
maybe it would be a better week for a checkup instead of a quarrel. pay
attention to your dreams this week; it is a good idea to write them down
as soon as you wake up so that you do not let some important part slip
away from you. meditation and prayer are in order for the next few days.


sept. 27
drusian@juno.com (heather hughes)

september 27
hunterj1@aol.com (jude hunter)

september 29
younge@ucs.orst.edu (crazy!!!)

september 29
chickenwomyn@hotmail.comcarol ann petricevic
"to create...to invent...to endure...to believe....
that sacred moment of vision, when a single (being) is sparked by
inspiration, looks up to the stars...dreams of things that never were,
and vows to make them real......"
- until next time (my om team in '97)

september 30 ('77)
lisag@charity.trinityvt.edu (lisa grandjean)


october

october 2, 1975
msinghaus@msmisp.com- missy

october 3
ljusko@netexp.net (lori jusko)

october 3 ('68)
u_posa@venus.twu.edu (monique posa)

if you would like to be added to the birthday list, please email me at
joanne.cusick@cexp.com, and i'll be happy to add you!!!


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                                             (dustin hoffman)

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in a message dated 9/30/98, 6:00:29 pm, kp2@vt.edu writes:
<<

....hey hey....not only the male listees.....i might not be the only one
who boycotted womens underwear !!!!  ; )>>

yup...not the only one :-) and i'd like a pair of these ig boxers, as well.
mick

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>sus sez:
>>everyone i know worth their weight in booting
>>equipment  uses normal bias tapes....
>>difference is amazing, none of that high end static you get with high
>bias
>>tapes (so much for "noise reduction")
>
>so you're saying it's better to *boot* (but not dub?) the original show
>with a normal bias (type i) tape?  do elaborate.  maybe get all
>technical.
>
>jill the lost
>

actually yeah, sorry i should clarify.... what i meant was...it's better to
use normal bias tapes to make the boot, then it's  fine to dub them onto
high bias tapes...they usually have a longer life anyway

sus

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  please take this screen name off your list....i am currently back at school,
and not home to get all this mail...and it's been piling, and piling...i am on
the list at school, so i'm getting two sets of mail (one of which i can't
read)   thanks so much...


                        sincerely,
                                  lisa

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 17:24:14 -0400
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does anyone have a copy of the starkville, ms show
this past spring?  come on y'all, i know *someone*
has it- i have a compilation tape which has material
from that show.  i went to that show, and shortly
thereafter made the obligatory boot plea but no one
answered me :(   so i'mma gonna do it again.

pwetty pweese, wiff a chewwy (that's cherry, for those
of you who aren't in touch with yer inner 4 yr. old)
on top?

fanks a wot!
leigh ann

oh, yeah- i have literally *goo-gobs* to trade!  (pweese?)

~tony & leigh ann horn ---- junebug@aeneas.net~

"i will only drink milk on the rocks!"
                                  bar, my best toot

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hello all :o)
        i was just wondering if anyone has or knows where to find the
lyrics to letter to eve? i've looked just about everywhere on the internet
and can't find them. :o(
thanks!
                                        -heather

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hey y'all....

i hate to burst all your bubbles but i did catch a glimpse of amy smoking
backstage at the suf show in nyc.  i was quite surprise to see that and took a
double take just to make sure but.. it's true...  i saw it with my
disbelieving eyes.   i'd have to say it was a bit disappointing to see but
she's human and still has an amazing voice.

thanks y'all,
marg

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peter says:

in defense of my magazine tastes, the articles are
actually very good and very feminist in terms of political slant. playboy
was one of the first magazines to promote women's freedom of choice, both
in terms of abortion rights and sexuality in general.


umm, nothing personal, but playboy feminist? you have got to be kidding me.
nothing that objectifies women in the manner of playboy can be logically
considered feminist. playboy, and others of it's ilk, is all about the
exploitation of women's bodies for (overwhelmingly) male pleasure and
perusal. please do not insult feminism by linking it in any ideological way
to pornography.

for more on this opinion, don't write me: read catherine mackinnon and
andrea dworkin, who radically changed my thinking about pornogrpahy and the
ways it hurts women, all women, everywhere.

off soapbox,

sus
ps not interested in flames or attempts to change my mind about this, friends

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 18:18:48 -0400
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freida meant to send this to the list...
--audra

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subject: re: results~address on list shirt...

as for the shirts, are there really 700 list members?  i love the indigo with
cream lettering.  i would be inclined to not put the address on the shirts,
but not for any strong reason.
   i've been wondering about a&e not beng too crazy about the list. in a way,
that makes them more endearing.  we constantly tag them as "goddesses" which
of course they are, but if they started to behave like people who think that
they are divine (which of course they are), it could very well distract them
from their holy mission to make beautiful, powerful music for us, and to make
the world a better place. to me, their non-approval (not the same as
disapproval) of the list is another point in favor of their status in my
heart, as goddesses/prophets.  has there ever been documented any kind of
statement(s) by them specifically talking about the list.?
freida

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 15:24:34 -0700
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thanks deb for posting this response from john for the rest of us to
read and learn from. he covers a lot of ground and offers good sound
advice. some may think that this is all techie stuff and not applicable
to the average music lover, but the practices and techniques he covers
can be used by everyone, regardless of the caliber equipment they have.
your ears will thank you. that said, i have a few questions/observations
about a few of his points.

>the only measurable difference between low and high-bias tapes is that
>high-bias tapes (chrome or metal) permit higher recording-levels (i.e.
>volume) before signal saturation (distortion) is reached.

back when type ii, high bias, 70us tape formulations where first
developed, i remember that the industry stance was that low-bias tapes
could handle higher recording levels before saturation while the new
high-bias tapes could not handle levels quite as high but had a much
better frequency response on the high end. i should qualify my question
by admitting that i stopped using the udxls  and recorded exclusively on
the udxliis at that time, so today's low-bias tape formulas may have
changed over the years. if your deck has good specs (>18k at least) your
should be able to hear the difference. i have noticed over the years
that most of the professional test tapes are recorded on high-bias tape
stock. if you look at the published specs on any machine, they'll always
have better numbers (if they're honest) using high-bias type ii or type
iv tapes. they'll probably omit the other critical info as well, but
that's advertising for ya.

>it is also true that the cases of low-bias tapes are generally less well
>made, so vibration/resonance might be worse with the low-bias products,
>but unless you have audiophile gear (i don't) i doubt anyone could hear
>the difference, especially when listening to a rock-show audience tape.

i think the quality of low-bias vs. high-bias cases is a question of
what you're willing to pay for tapes. cheap tapes will have cheap cases.
quality tapes, regardless of bias, will have better cases. if your
equipment has dual-capstans which isolate the tape from the shell, that
case will have no impact on the recording process. rewinding noise,
slipsheets and storage are another issue. i have noticed that over the
years maxell xlii and xliis tapes score almost identical in lab studies.
some years the cheaper ii will test even slightly better. the major
difference in price, of course, is the superior case, or shell of the
tape itself.

>my rule is to adjust recording levels to 'peak' at +2 to +3 decibels (note,
>this is using *my* recording meters, which may not match *your* recording meters...

all very good advice. some meter read rms or average levels, some read
peak levels, some are plainly miscalibrated. each manufacturer will vary
their units based on the capabilities of their electronics and heads. i
always prefer peak-reading needles over led bars, but the bars are much
cheaper to install.

>the other *big* thing you can do to reduce tape hiss generated by your
>deck is to de-magnetize the heads...

very true..

> note, this advice is not without controversy... some sound techs
> insist you go to a technician to have the job done manually... the
> technician uses a hand-held de-magnetizer....but it depends on *my* skill...
> and if i get careless, i can damage my watch (!) or even my heads.  i
> prefer the automated cassette de-magnetizer, which does all this under 'computer' control.

it's not that difficult and the manual demag'rs do a much better job
since they don't use the tiny watch-batteries. the main oversight, i
believe, is that the "cassette" version does not attempt to demag the
capstan roller which can also build up magnetism over time. one other
danger in not demaggin', is that magnetized metal parts that come in
contact with your tape surface will slowly degrade your tapes over time
by zapping the magnetic tape particles as they pass. you'll notice your
highs dying first, once gone they're gone. this is one reason why you
should be careful, especially with rare tapes, not to subject them to
other machines (or your car deck) without knowing a little something
about its maintenance (which is why my sister can't check anything out
of the 'ol tape library here....).

>3.  it is a *myth* that every tape generation produces degraded quality.

have to disagree with this statement. every analog signal, regardless of
source (audio/video) and regardless of equipment will degrade each and
everytime a copy is made. the key, of course, is to minimize the
degradation.

> it is possible to *enhance* a copy, making it sound *better* than
> the original... and i've done it for several people on this list...
> but you need two separate tape decks and some special techniques.

all of these suggestions-equalizers, mixers, compressors, can improve on
poorly recorded originals, however, each process does add its own noise
to the mix, especially equalizers. you can't boost the high music
frequencies without also boosting the hiss that accompanies it. some
compressors can cause a slight pumping sound in the audio as it works.

>that's one of the reasons taping off live radio makes such high-quality boots.

but one must remember to use the mpx filter (which doesn't always work)
to filter out the 19k pilot frequency that the radio stations use to
broadcast. fm also has an upper limit of 15k.

>....i use this deck to make all my dubbing masters, then i make copies
>using my dubbing deck.

but then you're your first dub is now third generation. i guess if we're
talking dat (maybe dvd-r?) or even minidisc, generational loss can be
ignored. for the rest of us folks in cassetteland, it should always be
of concern.

i think i'll stop now. i must repeat that i thought john's response to
deb was excellent and went into a lot of useful detail. i am not picking
on these minor points in my post, just offering my comments in an effort
to stimulate some interesting dialogue on the subject. .

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 17:21:28 -0500
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he is such a great storyteller.
i would love to hear ig do some
of his songs, particularly my
favorite one, "mr. tanner"
shannon

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sorry munchkins....  i can't keep quiet any longer.....
my freakin' grrls smoke?!?  well, hot damn!!
what else them vixens been up to?
oh how i get a thrill out of titillating gossip...
c'mon sistas...  let the games begin.....
yours in sisterhood, bar

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does anyone out there in kindfriendlisteeland have a boot of amy doing
blood and fire live?  i regularly get obsessed with this particular song,
and it's starting again ever since i got live at the uptown lounge...so
anybody got it?

--audra


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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

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just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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on wed, 30 sep 1998, shannon donnally wrote:

> he is such a great storyteller.
> i would love to hear ig do some
> of his songs, particularly my
> favorite one, "mr. tanner"

   yeah, "mr. tanner" would be a kick-ass cover.  also "remember when the
music", "dance band on the titanic", and "what made america famous"...
   <drooooooll>

   darius

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i get the feeling that she is often pressured to sing things that are
either too high for her, or right in between her chest voice and her
head voice.  the distiction between those would be your "break".  she
tends to use her chest voice for notes in her "break", and even for some
notes that are above it.  maybe because amy is so, _so_ low, she thinks
she has to sing higher if the group is going to sound like women at
all!!  whatever.

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>>for the mere fact that they get dirty/stained easier

oh yikes good one i didn't even think of that!! lel borrows my clothes
and i borrow hers. with one exception: i don't get stuff on my clothing
normally and she is a walking mess. i nearly cried when she got pasta
sauce all over my blue shed your skin shirt!! i was like noooooo!
luckily we got it all out..

*hugs*

lamia


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i want to change the world
i feel violent i feel alone
don't try and change my mind
the world is heading for mutiny
when all we want is unity
we may rise and fall, but in the end
we meet our fate together..."
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in concert on cut it out, amy always does the most incredible falsetto
thing, really exhibits her increasing range.

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jill is right...sort of.  when i smoked, i was in choir, and i thought that my
voice was better sustained when i hit certain notes right on.  but the range
between a up to d was imposible for me whenever i  went through stages of
"quitting" smoking.  and while smoking, i could hit a down to c right on and
upper c up to g right on, too.  how come smoking made these sustainable?  or
was it just me?  now, that i don't smoke, i can sing ok, but i can't sustain
notes as well....make any sense?

-chee

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 16:06:36 -0700
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>2.  cat b'lues.  has anyone heard of them?  i have one album "deep down"
>and saw them on tv a few months ago and they said they had a new one
>coming out.  no one i know has heard anything one way or another.  they
>are from la (i think) so some of you west coasters might have more of a
>clue than moi.  i called ladyslipper and they haven't heard of a new
>album and have been searching the web for stuff with no avail.  btw, i
>recommend this album whole-heartedly.  especially to anyone who loves
>the blues-type stuff a+e sometimes add to their stuff.
>
>forever indebted to whoever answers this plea...

i only have answers re: cat

she/they are indeed from la (long beach, really). they play locally here a
lot but i don't know what their next gig is...i'll post something else
if/when i hear it.

bones

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 16:21:40 -0700
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>alright chickies and chicos...another question for ya.  has anyone out
>there ever started a zine or independent publication (even a really
>small one)?  or worked on one?  could you fill me in on any tips or
>experiences you might have?  this tape compilation sparked an idea in my
>head, but first i'd like to hear from anyone with experience.
>
>shelley (slow-quickly filling her half un-busy life)

check out a new book due out in october:

zine scene - the do it yourself guide to zines by francesca lia block and
hillary carlip

the authors will by at book signings in the los angeles area on:
october 7, 7pm - book soup 8818 sunset blvd. west hollywood - signing party
october 16, 8pm - skylight books 1818 n. vermont (at franklin) - reading
and discussion
november 6, 7pm - vroman's 695 east colorado (pasadena) - reading and
discussion

bones

ps i don't work for anyone involved in the book, one of the authors is a
friend of mine...

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i believe that this topic came up about 2 years ago.  i thought amy smoked
"natural" cigarettes.  now, i don't know how to exactly define "natural",
but it wasn't the typical cigs that you get in the store.

any ideas on this one - - anyone??

peace,
- jen mek

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> from: rhythm19@aol.com
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> subject: amy smoking !!!
> date: wednesday, september 30, 1998 5:20 pm
>
> hey y'all....
>
> i hate to burst all your bubbles but i did catch a glimpse of amy smoking
> backstage at the suf show in nyc.  i was quite surprise to see that and
took a
> double take just to make sure but.. it's true...  i saw it with my
> disbelieving eyes.   i'd have to say it was a bit disappointing to see
but
> she's human and still has an amazing voice.
>
> thanks y'all,
> marg
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oh eve, where is adam?
oh eve, you've been kicked out of the garden.
and i said,  oh eve, where is adam
now that you've been kicked out of the garden?
i've been walking from shore to shore.
don't you find that there is no more
pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa?

don't you wish love alone,
don't you wish love alone,
could save the world from dissaster?
if only love could end the confusion,
or is it just a mortal illusion?
i say, pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa.

well, if you want to have great love,
you got to have great anger.
and if you want to have great love,
you got to have great anger.
when i see innocent folks shot down,
should i just shake my head and frown?
oh, pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa.

if you want to hit the target square,
you better not have [my?] anger,
or else it'll be just one more time
that the correction creates another crime.

oh eve, you tell adam
next time he asks you (what's the password)
you say baby, it's cold outside,
"what's the password to come inside?"
you say, "pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa."

oh eve, go tell adam,
we've got to build a new garden.
got to get working on a-building
a decent home for all of god's children.
oh, pacem in terris, mir, shanit, salaam, hey wa.

well if music could only bring peace,
well i'd only be a musician.
yeah, if songs could more than dull this pain,
and melodies break these chains...
pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa.

four thousand languages in this world
it all means the same thing to every boy and girl,
oh, pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa.

-p. seeger

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a few things:

1)  the shirt design is fabulous!  y'all definitely deserve a round of
applause for all your work.  :)  personally, i think i've joined the
indigo w/ cream lettering camp, but any ol' colors would do.

2) i am looking to trade for the three volumes of the early recordings on
tape.  e-mail me privately if you would be interested.

3)  i can't wait!  i'm going to see pete seeger here on sat!  woooohooo!

4)  if anyone wants a copy of reverse one live, please e-mail me.  i just
got the cd in the mail today and feel a need to share...(thanks joe!)

5)  can anyone recommend a good beginning html guide?  i'm looking for
input...

ok, i think that's enough random crap for tonight.  :)

kelly,
who's deciding whether or not to avail herself of the opportunity to come
out on oct. 11th or not. yikes!

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        k...everyone has been having lots of fun between t-shirts, undergarment
discussions, and the girls smoking (which makes round three of this).

        take it private email please.

                        jen

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hello everyone
it's about that time for me....gotta crack down and choose a college for
next year. just wondering if anyone could recommend some good southern
colleges (when god made me born a yankee he was teasin). obviously
emory's on my list. thanks. oh yeah, my vote for the shirts is not to
include the address....no particular reason, but i think they'd look a
lot sharper w/out it. indigo shirts would be awesome, although i am the
bra-wearing type, i've got way too many white tees. peace y'all.
lia
**there i am in younger days......***

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in a message dated 98-09-30 19:43:07 edt, you write:

<< i believe that this topic came up about 2 years ago.  i thought amy smoked
"natural" cigarettes.  now, i don't know how to exactly define "natural",
but it wasn't the typical cigs that you get in the store. >>


here's my question... what does it matter.. ?????  adults are free to make
their own decisions.. she could drink a 5th of whiskey and smoke a carton a
day..
it really isn't any of our business.. .. now if someone watched either of them
light up a virginia slim.. i could see the problem.. but isn't this thread
along the " discussing someone's personal life" realm...????
back to the subject folks...

e

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at 12:08 am 9/30/98 , swampy spice wrote:
>but but but... i thought singers aren't supposed to smoke... ??? :(
>damages the instrument.. sniffle.  oh man, am i let down.

interesting to note that emily's idol, joni mitchell, is an unapologetic
smoker.  she talked about it earlier in the week in usa today.  she notes
that everyone's voice changes as they grow older, whether they smoke or not.

ultimately, it's a personal decision.  i have no objection to quoting
interviews and such, but imo we've no business advertising info from
private observations.

frankly, when i listen to the pre-epic material, i have to say that very
few of you would swoon over amy's voice today if she hadn't smoked. :-)

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at 11:20 am 9/29/98 , raven x wrote:
>i love the design ! !
>however, i agree that maybe it isn't the best idea to have the list
>address printed on the shirt.
>
>if i recall correctly... ig doesn't seem to be all gung-ho about the
>list.  and if they ever see this on our shirt they may be a bit turned
>off.  but then again... maybe they won't.

so your position is that even though you think the ig list is a good thing,
you would like to hide your association with it so as not to piss off ig?
silly.  if you like the list, don't be embarassed by your participation.
we do our best to make this list something they can't object to, but if
they still do (and i doubt that), that's a shame.  i believe most of their
objections were very early, back when i would post things like "if you have
access to the world wide web..."  regardless of their feeling about the
list, this is a list t-shirt, and i think it totally appropriate to provide
the list address, as long as that is okay with the list admins.

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hey all--
in the inbox today....

(for the new listees, dan bern is this fantastically funny
singer-songwriter... a friend of ani's, she produced one of his
albums... do check him out, i'm dying to see him live but he never comes
close enough to cleveland.  go go go, you *will* like him, i promise :))

>subject: bern bulletin 9/30/98
>
>hey, bern heads!
>
>we have lots of really exciting news for you this month!!!!!! as
>usual, feel free to forward this message freely, as long as the
>original contents are not altered!
>
>smartie mine, oooooooooooooooh! smartie mine!
>
>dbhq is thrilled to announce the release of dan bern's new album,
>smartie mine! smartie mine is a double cd with 27 studio tracks.
>the release date is november 2, 1998.
>
>smartie mine is an independent, limited release, and will only be
>available through mail order or at dan's shows, starting this
>november.
>
>dbhq will be accepting pre-orders, which will be sent out on or
>before november 2. to pre-order, send a check for $17, made out
>to dan bern, to dan bern merchandise, 1158 26th st #411, santa
>monica, ca 90403. there is also an order form you can print out at
>http://www.dbhq.com . be the first on your block to have your very
>own copy of smartie mine! :)
>
>for a complete smartie mine track listing, lyrics and sound clips
>go to http://www.dbhq.com
>
>i wanna spread my colors around.....
>
>here are dan's fall tour dates:
>
>10/14      ny ave         huntington, ny            (516) 427-2582
>11/04      rutgers         new brunswick, nj      (732) 745-7272
>11/06      sam adams   philidelphia, pa           (215) 563-2326
>11/11      bottom line    nyc                          (212) 228-6300
>11/13      the junction   gettysburg, pa           (717) 337-6304
>11/15      the birchmere  alexandria, va           (703) 549-5919
>11/17      tractor tavern   seattle, wa              (206) 789-4250
>tba          tba                   vancouver, bc
>11/20       st. john's         berkeley, ca             (510) 548-1761
>11/21       mccabe'ss      santa monica, ca      (310) 828-4403
>
>only one place where i could, go to be understood
>
>please join us for our weekly dan bern chats! the chats are every
>wednesday night at 9:30 est (the next chat is scheduled for
>10/7). the name of the room on irc is #danbern.
>
>members of the chats generally include dan bern fans, dbhq
>employees, members of dan's band... you never know just who will
>be there, but a fun time is had by all!
>
>for instructions on how to join these chats, go to
>http://www.dbhq.com/danchat.html
>
>we've come too far...
>
>check out october's interview magazine. on page 64, you will
>find a picture of dan, as well as a hefty paragraph about him, within
>the article called "can folk get off it's high horse?"
>
>not to be careless, though....
>
>for any changes in subscription to this list, please go to
>http://gate.garden.net:81/guest/remotelistsummary/dbhq . this
>is also where you should tell all of your friends to go to join!
>
>if you have any problems or questions, please write us at
>danbern@gte.net (please note: kababa1011@aol.com is no
>longer a valid email address for dan bern headquarters. all
>email for both dan bern and dan bern headquarters should be
>sent to danbern@gte.net . however, "kababa1011" will remain a
>functioning screen name if you need to send aol instant
>messages to dan bern headquarters...... just promise not to
>bombard me! :) )
>
>until next month......
>we never bomb buildings,
>
>dbhq
>
>http://www.dbhq.com
>danbern@gte.net
>
>1158 26th st #411
>santa monica, ca 90403
>
>(888) 222-bern
>


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hey everybody--
our own lovely doll jeri humphries has this cd she bought from some
random cd store in her area.  it's got both reverse 1 live and shades of
indigo on the same disc.  now, since i have a *real* shades disc, i know
it isn't paired with reverse 1.  but i dont' know about reverse 1-- is
it/has it been paired with shades of indigo?
here's the description of the disc:

>the name is reverse 1 live at denver/ shades of indigo.
>the cover has a big sunflower with amy and emily sitting side by side
>underneath it in a field.  the back has the setlist and in between the
>break of the two different shows the studio version of closer to fine
>is included.  the inside of the cover has a picture by amy of an indian
>or nomad or something with a pan. hard to describe. the whole cover and
>stuff is computer generated, and the cover of the cd is cool looking
>though, with all these cute sunflowers on it.  if it is a phony,
>this guy is running a bad business then 'cause there are many more
>boots in his store.

please post any info you have on this.
that drawing of the guy with the pan sounds familiar... off rop, maybe?

thanks,
jill/ jeri

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i rarely post, but this debate over whether or not to include the list
address on the list shirt is driving me crazy . . .

admittedly, i was on vacation and am behind on my email and don't know the
current status of the "list address on shirt" debate (which is why i didn't
vote).  i just saw a post putting forth the argument in favor of not
including the list address because amy and emily do not sanction the list.
in this insane pc-driven world, enough is enough.  obviously, no one on the
list really cares that a & e don't endorse the list (because if we cared,
there would be no list).  it's ironic that these and other pc-motivated
"issues" have been discussed concerning the list-shirt, but booting
concerts/performances are often "justified" because we're "real fans."
fellow listees, we're talking about a t-shirt, a pretty small piece of the
monetary action in the scheme of things.

by the way, whoever designed the indigo girls sun design did a beautiful
job.   my vote would be to include the design on indigo shirts w/cream
lettering.

thank you.

dmg

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>maybe the reason emily has seemed to gain so much weight over the last
>year is b/c she quit smoking. a possibililty maybe?

okay, don't don't don't flame her please.  please.

emilyisbeautifulidon'tcarewhatsizesheisbeautydon'tdependonsize
(butdon'ttellthemediathat)
butemilyissogoshdarnsparklycuteican'tstandit,iwishiwereascuteasher.

jill

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shelley-my-love asked:
> has anyone out
>there ever started a zine or independent publication?

<quietly stepping forward>
that is so funny you should ask...
i do, i did, i will!  i am your one-stop zine shop. anyone got anyting
they wanna contribute to my next one???
poetry, art, words, etc etc etc blah blah blah.

good place to look:  factsheet five (which is a zine about zines,
basically.  reviews hundreds of 'em).

jill

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does anyone know the lyrics to "free of hope," the vic chesnutt song that
ig sing on 'sweet relief' vol. 2?
also, does the line, "i must say around some corner i can sense a resting
place" make anyone else nervous?

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* ani difranco/ usa/ done wrong

this is such a great song!!! it's so sad because i have a hard time
listening to anything off dilate now cuz i wore that cd out during a
really crappy time and it brings back bad memories...but this is the
best song...
i feel stupid and i feel used..i'm at the end of my little rope, and i'm
swinging back and forth around you..and before it gets so cold, that the
rain turns to snow, there's just a couple things i'd like to know...

great song if you've been dong wrong ;)

*hugs*

lamia


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for anyone in and around ohio/cleveland...
oberlin's coming out week is a fun-filled week of gloriously queer
events and all things rainbow-y.
note to high school students:  now is an *especially* good time to uhm
visit oberlin as a prospective student... we *love* to get queer
prospies!!!  do it do it do it, call the admissions office
1-800-622-obie i think.  (my little plug).

email me for specific info...
jill
p.s. the little blurb on the smbd club...? yes, it's for real.  they
really do have a smbd group.  this week they made, ahem, toys out of
kitchen appliances.  don't ask me.

>reply-to: oberlin lgbt union
<lesbian.gay.bisexual.transgender.un@oberlin.edu>
>
>coming out week is next week!  please spread the word and invite all
your
>friends to these events -- every queer isn't on this mailing list. :)
>
>schedule for coming out week (more specifics coming soon)
>
>monday 10/5
>^^^^^^^^^^^
>      4:30  discussion: "transgenderism"
>7:00-10:00  films -  king 306
>     10:00  lgbtu meeting - wilder 211
>
>tuesday 10/6
>^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      4:30  discussion: "racism in the queer community"
>7:00-10:00  films - king 306
>     10:00  first year queer meeting - wilder 211 (new time)
>
>wednesday 10/7
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      4:30  discussion: "dating in the queer community"
>      7:00  discussion: "a.i.d.s."
>
>thursday 10/8
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>      4:30  discussion: "queer depression and suicide"
>      7:00  film: "the celluloid closet" - mudd 50
>      9:00  discussion: "sex and sexuality" - women's resource center
>     11:00  unofficial queer night at the 'sco
>
>friday 10/9
>^^^^^^^^^^^
>      4:30  discussion: "coming out"
>      7:00  film - mudd 50
>     11:00  queer party: andre morgan's house - 181 1/2 e. lorain st.,
$1
>
>saturday 10/10
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>12:00-5:00  films - king 306
>      1:30  queers and allies of faith - wilder 109, bring $2 for food
>    night?  queer coffee house - asia house
>
>sunday 10/11
>^^^^^^^^^^^^
>    night?  possible bonfire - contact andrew.karlson-weber to find out
>                              about getting something burning. :)
>
>
>smbd panel with faculty this thursday (10/1) 7:30 in king 306
>
>
>
>possible films for coming out week: all over me, beautiful thing, paris
is
>burning, ma vie en rose, celluloid closet, the incredibly true
adventure
>of two girls in love.


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omg!
>personally...not that any of you need to know...
>....but i'm a boxer brief kinda
>woman.....ya know ...
>...the chickies seem to like em..

(giggle oh my yes we do)

ahem,
you single? ;) ;) ;)

tee hee
jilly

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in a message dated 98-09-30 19:52:28 edt, you write:

<< she notes
that everyone's voice changes as they grow older, whether they smoke or not.
  >>

fresh air re-ran an interview with betty carter this week, and in it she
talked quite a bit about the changes in ones voice as they grow older.
it was really interesting. she talked in a very technical manner about
her voice and how she had a thing about not changing keys in her
songs to accomodate her voice as it changed...she said it really
challenged her and stretched her ability.
i must say that's true...
i love joni mitchells voice now... and amy and emily's voices
seem to get richer as they ..ahem..mature...
wait 'till they hit 40...that'l be interesting...
:)
claire
re: people being dissapointed at the thought of a or e smokin .....
all i can say is...... get over it ....
(i mean that in a nice fuzzy way of course ;)

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on amy, smoking or not:
>she...still has an amazing voice.

might i add that while i don't recommend it for aspiring opera singers,
i've noticed an interesting correlation between smokers and damn sexy
voices <uhm thalia zedek ahem>.

ohhh that marlboro rasp...
shiver shiver wooo

jilly


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myluvtrustmeonthisoneyouareagoshdarnsparklycutiepieand
ihatethefactthewomenobsessabouttheirweightandweshouldbehappy
emilyseatinggood.
yoursinsisterhoodluvbar

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the reverse 1 original album was released only as a promo for people
inside the business. at least that is what someone told me. this guy
apparently got it because he used to work for epic and used to hang out
with the girls. anyway he gave me one and told me that it was pretty rare
and that they only made a handful of them. it doesn't even have a album
cover for the cd, they didn't see any use in making one.

alayna

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ok ya'll sorry for the nigc. my mother is selling a quilt at ebay check
it out:

http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=32136837

she's getting disappointed cuz i sell things and no one bids on her
things...so if anyone thinks it's cool and might have some use for
it..bid! that way she won't stand on my elbow and ask me to check ebay
every 15 minutes :p

*hugs*

lamia

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i want to change the world
i feel violent i feel alone
don't try and change my mind
the world is heading for mutiny
when all we want is unity
we may rise and fall, but in the end
we meet our fate together..."
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pshaw:
>...tag them as "goddesses" which
>of course they are

>they are divine...of course they are..

>their holy mission...

>their status in my heart, as goddesses/prophets.


be careful how high of a pedestal upon which you put flesh and bone.

we are all made of the same stuff.

jill

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much like something out of one of my favorite songs, "find the river" by
rem:

i love that song!! :) one of the first ever cds i bought!
here's one for ya'll..have you ever woken up with a song in your head
that you didn't know the words to??? i woke up with a heather eatman
song in my head one morning, and right then i could sing the words, but
if you asked me now i couldn't do it!!

*hugs*

lamia

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don't try and change my mind
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ok i'm really behind in e/m so if this has been posted already sorry!
but did anyone read amy's soc and notice something??
most noticably the shed your skin part?
and then gone again?

*hugs*
lamia

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zis iz not a flame.  tzanks.

>i've noticed that emily sings from her head most of the time, her head
and
>neck posture indicating that she's open in her throat and soft palate.
i don't wanna get technical here and all, but, while she should be open
in the soft palate (the back of the throat), the sound should be
resonating off the hard palate (in the front, right behind the teeth).
sometimes it doesn't, and that's why it sounds closed up.
you can't really tell by neck posture, it's more of back posture, but
ultimately it depends on the positioning of the back of the throat,
palate, and mouth above anything.

>the head voice, when done "right" tends to
>focus into a "clean" note,...that blends in with others, making
>the individual singer disappear.
you tellin' me that a section of altos can never blend with each other?
it's never been that way in my experience (some damn soprano always
wants to be the star and have her voice stand out amongst the sea of
squeaky screechers ;)).  deeper voices can blend just as well... anyone
recall those "moose calls" from amy and thalia on the sst, right before
cannonball? ;). shiver shiver.
and besides, i wouldn't wanna piss off a section of altos.  you never
know who you're gonna stumble into in a dark alley..... ;)

>i'm wondering if amy has
>ever been seen/heard to go into a head voice?  i suspect it would be
almost a
>falsetto.
actually, she's got one hell of a range.  (beats the pants offa me how
she even sings that low... women aren't supposed to *physically* be able
to sing below a certain note, their vocal cords themselves aren't long
enough to do it).  she *does* sing rather high, in concert, quite often.
i can't remember exactly which song, but i do recall at one point during
the cleveland sst show, turning to lisa dupre and asking, "is that
*amy*?"  the voice was just so light and high.  also, on cut it out/wish
you were here from the universal amph. 1/30/98 boot, she goes up
emily-high, if i remember right.  just knocks my socks off.

>if amy ever had voice lessons, it looks to me like she's
>disregarded the methods, fortunately for us.
i doubt she's had lessons; however, singing low is not indicative of
lack of training; whether or not she's aware of it, she's doing
*something* right, since the sound she produces is so full and her
vibrato (the slight wobble in one's voice... check out michelle malone
for a grrreat example of vibrato) is so rocking.  just naturally
blessed.

yowza, i'm gettin all wistful for my choir days...

jill

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see i feel like a weird kinda dykegrrl when other lesbians i know say that
boxers are the bomb etc...cause i can't hang with that *no pun intended*
and i am brief-grrl all the way.

--audra
*who thinks she is verging on tmi*
*who wonders if that exists on this list*
*heh*


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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

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just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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okay, chee tells me it's kraft that they boycott as well.
why why why?

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independent publication thingy.
when i was in high school, i got involved with an independent publication.  we
collected writings, poems, quotes, etc. from classmates.  we published 3
issues.  we demanded justice from the school's administration and faculty.  we
got caught.  i was suspended for 3 days, out of school.  my partner, the
editor, was suspended for 5 days, out of school.  it was the best year, but it
was hell to be threatned for lilbal!
btw, this high school is near nashville, tn.
-chee

(four years later the principal, who suspended me for accusing him of sexual
harassment in the publication, was a character witness for oj simpson.)

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>but did anyone read amy's soc and notice something??
>most noticably the shed your skin part?
>and then gone again?
>
yeah, i noticed that in the transcription i found online (don't ask me
where, ask sheryl jones).  i couldn't actually *hear* it because i
listened to the album online at daemon's listening station, and, due to
my ultra-high-tech (ha) gateway speakers, or the cheapo realaudio i
have, i *couldn't hear* a darn word of amy's soc.  just cooper.  i even
tried running it through my stereo speakers, but still, no amy.
i recall reading that amy's voice comes out one speaker, while cooper's
comes out the other (is this correct, or am i mixing my girls with the
beatles?), but you need the actual physical cd to get the effect.  can
someone attest to this?
but back to lamia's question: that was so so oh man.  cannot possibly
describe.  actually made me cry, the anger and the pleading, the
despondency in that piece. now *that*'s music.

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what about the banana song??? couldn't you just picture amy singing about
bananas !! hehehe

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on wed, 30 sep 1998, jennifer ackerman wrote:

> what about the banana song??? couldn't you just picture amy singing about
> bananas !! hehehe

   "yes, we have no bananas
    we have no bananas today
    yes, we have no bananas...
    bananas in athens, g-a..."

   sorry.  i haven't done that for a while.  :)

   darius

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in a message dated 9/30/98, 8:59:08 pm, jillyc@hotmail.com writes:
<<might i add that while i don't recommend it for aspiring opera singers,
i've noticed an interesting correlation between smokers and damn sexy
voices <uhm thalia zedek ahem>.

ohhh that marlboro rasp...
shiver shiver wooo>>

i have to say that i agree...there's something about that husky smoker's voice
that just totally turns me on....don't much like the smoking itself, but the
benefits...incredible.
mick

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>>there are listees who were forced to wear pantyhose on their
chests....

hey what they do in the privacy of their own homes is none of *our*
business! *lmao*

lamia


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i want to change the world
i feel violent i feel alone
don't try and change my mind
the world is heading for mutiny
when all we want is unity
we may rise and fall, but in the end
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okay, i hate to perpetuate this discussion and  talk about private
lives, and i apologize...but i also remember when this discussion was
going on two or three years ago.  someone on the list posted a message
telling us about their good fortune at being asked if they wanted to go
"shopping" for items that ig had requested. they had been waiting in
line that day for a gen.adm. show.  i remember the person saying that on
the list were those native american spirit cigs that are all natural.
that kind of stuck out in my mind.  but, i heard not too long after that
that amy had quit.  i'm sure it's in the archives somewhere.  i'm
thinking it was in 1996.  it really doesn't matter to me, though.  their
vices are their business and vica versa! :-d

anyhoo,  i hate the taste of cigarettes but i once puffed on a native
american spirit cigarette (out of curiosity, since it's supposed to be
all natural) and i didn't think it had that nasty cigarette tase.  it
wasn't bad for a cigarette.

peace,

joan (who's been posting way too much this week:)

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look, i really am glad to see all the new posters here on the list, but
seriously, you must read the faq's.  in the last 24 hours since my
laptop arrived home from florida, i have 214 messages in my trash can.

we (i'm speaking for the oldtimers on the list) would all appreciate
your attaboys and me toos going directly to the sender instead of the
list.  and when you have multiple things to say, isn't it more
timesaving and bandwidth saving (whatever bandwidth is, i haven't
figured that one out yet) to consolidate these thoughts into a single
post?

i have enjoyed being on the list for a year now, and the flow of email
ebbs and flows, however, we have reached an all time high in repetitive
postings.  instead of hurrying a response to a post as you are reading,
read through all your mail and just make a single post.  my delete key
is getting worn out, and not only that, when i get 51 messages in 4
hours, some of the deleted stuff has to be weeded back in, as it was
addressed to me personally.

flame me, say what you wish, but do it privately.

karen : )

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 23:28:53 edt
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from:         kathleen mccrea <sissookie@aol.com>
subject:      re: amy smoking !!!
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hi everyone,

just a thought about smoking and the effect on me when i figure out someone
smokes. i think it comes down to the basic understanding that smoking is "bad"
for you. we all know that no good will come of it.. study after study points
out what we risk if we choose to smoke.

doesn't it make sense that when we look to others and find so many good things
about them, it's a disappointment to find that they choose to do something
that
isn't on par with how we perceive them.

rhythm19@aol.com writes:

<< i did catch a glimpse of amy smoking
backstage at the suf show in nyc....... i'd have to say it was a bit
disappointing to see  >>

oh well..
peace! indigo! etheridge!
kathleen

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 23:34:01 edt
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i have not one clue what i'm doing, or even if this is allowed (some lists i
know make you follow whatever threads are already going, but the ones going
now are, i think, kinda finished), but i have an actual ig related question.
my g/f and i were having a (sorta) arguement about the lyrics to closer to
fine...what exactly is meant by "i spent four years prostrate to the higher
mind. got my paper and i was free." (that was off the top of my head, don't
know if it's right or not). i say it means college, my g/f says it means
psychiatric therapy. anybody got any thoughts about this?
if this is totally wrong to do, go ahead and flame me privately.
mick

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 23:37:00 -0400
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on wed, 30 sep 1998, kathleen mccrea wrote:

> just a thought about smoking and the effect on me when i figure out someone
> smokes. i think it comes down to the basic understanding that smoking is "bad"
> for you. we all know that no good will come of it.. study after study points
> out what we risk if we choose to smoke.

   but our whole lives are a balance of risk vs. reward.  i know plenty of
people who feel calmer, better, etc, after a cigarette.  is that good?
not in a relative sense; there are all sorts of healthier ways to calm
down -- i prefer meditation and dancing around trying to stab people
myself -- but no good?
   i'm a big fan of the personal choice thing.  if it works, go for it.

> doesn't it make sense that when we look to others and find so many good things
> about them, it's a disappointment to find that they choose to do something
> that isn't on par with how we perceive them.

   but we all have our quirks and demons, and we should love each other
all the more, and accept each other's little failures.

   darius

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 23:37:36 -0400
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on wed, 30 sep 1998, alayna cromar wrote:

> the reverse 1 original album was released only as a promo for people
> inside the business. at least that is what someone told me. this guy
> apparently got it because he used to work for epic and used to hang out
> with the girls. anyway he gave me one and told me that it was pretty rare
> and that they only made a handful of them. it doesn't even have a album
> cover for the cd, they didn't see any use in making one.
>
> alayna
as far as i know, the above is true. the original cd is sold at cd shows
and in goldmine for as much as $90. i got my copy by trading it for a
video tape of lady and the tramp which i had bought on the street for $5.
the name of the promo comes from the printing of the songs on the face of
the cd (they're backwards and stuff).


peter a. barta
bartap@law.georgetown.edu

"whoever rescues a single soul from the children of man, scripture credits
him as if he had saved a whole universe."
                                                - mishnah, sanhedrin 4:5
"i want to live as an honest man,
to get all i deserve and to give all i can,
and to love a young woman that i don't understand..."
                                                - suzanne vega

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 22:47:19 -0600
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i say collede, but for some reason i used to think it was therapy too.

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 23:45:33 edt
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from:         "dawn m. kivisto" <avedyke@aol.com>
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the great and amusing jilly wrote:

"emilyisbeautifulidon'tcarewhatsizesheisbeautydon'tdependonsize
(butdon'ttellthemediathat)
butemilyissogoshdarnsparklycuteican'tstandit,iwishiwereascuteasher."

geedidyoupauseforbreathbetweenwordsatallordoyoualwayswriteinhugelongrunonsente
nces

:)

dawn

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date:         wed, 30 sep 1998 22:50:08 -0600
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'everybody loves a hero, an image to create, antithesis
of everything inside ourselves we hate, but you'd
better close your eyes when  it's time for them to die, because you'd hate
to think the life you built  upon
them was a lie."
e saliers

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