lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-10b


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date:         wed, 7 oct 1998 22:06:57 -0700
reply-to:     i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
              <sgb29641@email.csun.edu>
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from:         i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
              <sgb29641@email.csun.edu>
subject:      primary plans for the "ig guitar beginners" website
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well, whatever feedback i've gotten so far on the idea for this website
has been pretty positive, so i'm laying a few initial plans . . . hope
you all don't mind if i bounce these ideas off you.  (and please!  give
me feedback!)

concept/idea: a listing of most/all ig songs (particularly those for
which there's web tablature available), separated into categories of
difficulty/playability, with regard to a fairly novice guitar player.
i'd like to link directly to the tablature; i'm planning on making little
graphic symbols for the various tablature sites to which i would link, as
sort of a key, as well as a listing of the various sources.

website title: i'm not sure yet, but i'm thinking something along the
lines of "introduction to indigo: a guitar beginners' guide to indigo
girls songs."

organization: i've had it suggested to me that i list songs by album, and
rank the track listings according to difficulty; i'd also like to make a
master list of songs separated by the difficulty category, and maybe a few
(noncomprehensive) lists of suggested orders of songs to learn.  for
instance, "land of canaan" is very simple, has about two basic chords in
open first position, and doesn't have a very tricky rhythm.  "strange
fire," on the other hand, contains mainly open position chords (and one
barre chord, i believe), but their fingerings and positions on the
fretboard are trickier and more spaced out.  while i'd likely rank them
both in the lowest difficulty level (it's been suggested that i only use 3
levels, so as not to intimidate people too much), "loc" would probably be
much easier to learn first.
        i'm thinking of naming the ranks after ig songs:
        level 1 (lowest difficulty) -- least complicated
        level 2 (medium) -- closer to fine
        level 3 -- center stage
what do you think?  any better suggestions for song titles to use?  or is
the whole idea just cheesy, and should i just drop it?

        that's about it for now.  i welcome any suggestions, comments,
ideas, etc.  and i'd appreciate any and all contributions to the ranking
system; i'm actually rather a novice guitar player myself and would
appreciate help from more experienced musicians . . .  again, please
reply either to this address or to indigrrl@mail.gn1.net (though i'd much
prefer the latter) if you have any feedback, input, or whatever.
thanks.  :)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
__sgb29641@csun.edu_________________________http://www.wcat.com/~eponine__
"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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date:         wed, 7 oct 1998 22:37:40 -0700
reply-to:     luna mook tick <luna-tick@home.com>
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from:         luna mook tick <luna-tick@home.com>
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the site sounds cool.  but i can't play.  but any way.  my friend mary, said she
learned to play crazy game by watching em on the uptown lounge video.  hope that
helps the musically inclined people.

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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date:         wed, 7 oct 1998 23:59:58 pdt
reply-to:     cimarron spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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from:         cimarron spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
subject:      nigc:  michal?!?!
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uhm yeah sorry to all the other 999 of you who *aren't* michal... uhh,
nellie, *why* is my server telling me this:

>this is a permanent error; i've given up. sorry it didn't work out.
><starr@netvision.net.il>:
>194.90.1.121 does not like recipient.
>remote host said: 550 <starr@netvision.net.il>... user unknown
>giving up.

when i reply-to your email???
dang this technology.
jill


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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 00:18:45 -0700
reply-to:     luna mook tick <luna-tick@home.com>
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popped in a tape a friend made for me and it has watershed on it and
these lines just struck me:

standing at the fork in the road
you can stand there and agonize
till your agony's your heaviest load

this is so me right now with my coming out problem.  i got to make a
decision.   i would just like to say thank you to all of y'all who have
been e-mailing me.  the support is really felt.  thanks y'all!

as for the dar.  are any of y'all going to either the san juan
capistrano or w. hollywood?  a few of my friends are looking to go.  so
mail me if so.  thanks

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 04:15:25 edt
reply-to:     indigobabs@aol.com
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from:         barbara todd <indigobabs@aol.com>
subject:      ig and dead info!  thanks to my little bro!
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hey all!

all of the talk about the dead and ig made me call on my brother's deep love
of the dead to see what he could dig up!

well, he is da bomb!  here is what he came up with!

hope this is not old news!

babs

                      -------------------------
    well, here's what i came up with!

    from http://home.earthlink.net/~underdog/index.html i got the girls
set lists.  i don't know how accurate they are; you would probably know
where to get the best ig info:

august 21, 1993 -- autzen stadium - eugene, oregon
galileo
joking
welcome me
hammer and a nail
virginia woolf
pushing the needle too far
prince of darkness
chickenman
closer to fine

august 22, 1993 -- autzen stadium - eugene, oregon
closer to fine
three hits
land of canaan
ghost
chickenman
watershed
galileo
all along the watchtower
american tune
get together
                     --------------------------------

    from http://www.deadbase.com/ i got a little more info about the
shows in general. :

recording multiple audience masters, sbd of show exists. show was fm
broadcast by klcc.

autzen stadium, eugene, or (saturday, 8/21/93)

here comes sunshine
walkin' blues
lazy river road
queen jane
bird song ->
promised land

china cat sunflower ->
i know you rider
long way to go home
truckin' ->
good mornin' little school girl ->
smokestack lightning ->
drums ->
space ->
the last time ->
standing on the moon
one more saturday night

i fought the law

+ truckin' -> smokestack
+ last time with huey lewis on harmonica
+ opening act: the indigo girls
+ fm broadcast

autzen stadium, eugene, or (sunday, 8/22/93)

jack straw ->
bertha
little red rooster
broken arrow
althea
masterpiece
tennessee jed
music never stopped

help on the way ->
slipknot ->
franklin's tower
samson and delilah
ship of fools
corina ->
drums ->
space ->
the wheel ->
i need a miracle ->
the days between ->
not fade away

liberty

+ opening act: the indigo girls
+ fm broadcast

                   ------------------------------
    also, form some random site, i got info about a deadhour from
years ago.  that fall, the deadhour was like the highlight of my week.
i remember it well!  i sounded great!  there are traders
who will have it on tape.  probably the fm broadcast of the whole
concert too! :

-------------------------------------grateful dead hour no. 262
do not broadcast before september 27, 1993
part 1  23:27
                  in cue: <music>     :00     :38  introduction
     :38    1:55  interview with a fan 8/21/93
    2:33    4:28  indigo girls 8/22/93 autzen stadium, eugene or
                  galileo
    7:01    5:48  interview: indigo girls
   12:49    4:16  indigo girls 8/22/93 autzen stadium, eugene or
                  closer to fine
   17:05    5:48  all along the watchtower
   22:53     :34  id
                  out cue: ...when the grateful dead hour contnues.
   23:27    1:00  music bed

part 2 27:29
                  in cue: and now, here are some scenes from next
week's...
   24:27     :28  introduction
   24:55    5:16  los lobos, just another band from east la
                  bertha
   30:11    5:21  grateful dead 8/22/93 autzen stadium, eugene or
                  when i paint my masterpiece
   35:32    7:27  tennessee jed
   42:59    8:27  the music never stopped
   51:26     :30  outro
                  out cue: and i'll meet you back here next week.
-------------------------------------

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 01:50:58 -0700
reply-to:     starr <starr@netvision.net.il>
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very little igc, but important nonetheless!!

i'm here to tempt all of you who have been strangely and unwisely
hesitant to join the ig-mixtradechain list!!!
we are about to launch our debut mix-chain,
and this is one of the mixes that will be making the rounds....

(i want to see some slobbering, people!! ;)

this is babs' mix:


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side 1 & side 2
the women i love!!!

a


ain't nothin' but a she thing
      (salt-n-pepa)
blue suede   (michelle malone-
       beneath the devil moon)
me and julio (antigone rising- she's
         gone a little mad)
don't think twice, it's alright
       (joan baez-ring them bells-)
what a little love can do
(dee carstensen-regarding the soul)
nowhere to go
    (melissa etheridge- live single)
nothin on me (shawn colvin-remix)
when you say nothing at all
    (alison krauss- now that i've
        found you)

only a women's heart
      (eleanor mcevoy)
superhero's club (snapdragon-
       ego trip sampler #1)
cannon ball (breeders- last splash)

** filler: ta-was-he
     ** from sacred spirits
             by yeha-noha


    b


   truthfully
      (lisa loeb- firecracker)
   i wanna go to far    (trish
       yearwood- thinkin' about you)
   one belief away
       (bonnie raitt- fundamental)
   mary tyler moore    (barbara
        kessler- stranger to this land)
   this is the way (eden white-
        this is the way...)
   last of the good straight
        girls (susan werner-
            live at tin angle)
   mama (spice girls- spice)
   butler field *w/ig
        (caroline aiken- butler field)

   it won't take long
         (indigo girls- spirit of '73)
   shelter: violin  mix
         (sarah mclachlan- rarities,
               b-sides, & other stuff)
   these days in an open book
       *w/ig   (nanci griffith- flyer)
   problem child
          (1200 curfews bonus track)

   ** filler: shamanic chant
        ** from sacred spirits
                by yeha-noha
------------------------------------------


soooo.....
you haven't heard of half these women?
well, that's the point!!!
it's time to explore, come on!!!
(although, babs, i really do question your judgment.. i could've sworn i
saw something that said "spice girls" somewhere on side b!  i'm not
looking too closely though - i'd rather just not know ;)  i trust
you!!)

so, anyway, we'll be doing the division into chains this weekend, so if
anyone wants to join, now's the time!
our new motto: join the chain gang!
(allrighty.. it's getting a *bit* too late to be emailing, isn't it?
well, the orderlies should be coming to get me and put me to bed pretty
soon... )


email: <ig-mixtradechain@egroups.com>
or find us on the web at:  http://www.egroups.com

always random,
michal and babs

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 06:37:55 edt
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        parallel to my obsession with emily's way of expression herself through her
lyrics is my narcissistic theory that i always know what she is thinking about
when writing those songs just for me.  her empty chair in language or the kiss
has me pondering, however, as to whose chair, and who caused it to be empty
this particular night.
"it was a table set for six and five were there...i stood outside and kept my
eyes upon that empty chair..."
i am thinking there were always six there, including her girlfriend, but
tonight there are only five, in her absence.  emily seems to go right into a
reflection, in the second verse, about a decision she actuated, and replays
the words and reason she came to "causing that chair to be empty" and even
offers her previous realization that "back then there was a calling that if
joy, then pain," as if to validate that sometimes this just happens.
then, alone in her hotel room, squeezing the sky out for no appearing stars,
as was appearing before, and comes to the conclusion about the unforgiving
choice, and giving us the title of yet another classic emily deep-thinking
tune.
so.  me thinks that is what our master explainer was all about that night.
please consider.
oh, and antigone40, i would love to lay in the driveway on our backs with you
any 'ol southern time you want to.

shelia <~~~~fendersac@aol,com

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 07:45:55 -0500
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arethea!!!!!!
joan armatrading
tina!!( distortion??bet yer ass,,but c'mon..its tina)
roberta flack and peabo bryson
starship
pointer sisters
glen cambell( ok,,not everyone at once)
jeffery osborn
i know theres a gordon lightfoot kicking around somewhere
oh yeah...peter paul and mary..

let me know

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 10:31:05 edt
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from:         mary hannon <nyka95@aol.com>
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thanks, babs, for the great ig/dead info....
now the question is where can i find these boots, are they out there and who's
got 'em?
fess up people, you know they have to exist somewhere on this list!!!!

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 10:41:30 edt
reply-to:     dovesland@aol.com
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from:         beccie lyon <dovesland@aol.com>
subject:      re: boys laugh, ig song
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wow,
i work at joseph beth booksellers in lexington, ky and i have the gay and
lesbian section in the store, so i field these questions all the time.  myself
as a lesbian, find it hard to not understand the way she felt.  when everyone
around you is constantly telling you that you would be better off with a man,
and the media seems to still be forcing this issue down our throats, it is no
wonder that amy can feel this way even after all of this time.  now don't get
me wrong.  if i have my way, i will be wrapped in a pride flag and tossed in a
river when i die someday, but my partner goes through this conflict all the
time.  between her mother and the fact that she is not as lucky as i am to
work at a place where she can be out can be awfully depressing.  i found the
transcript to be a wonderful and honest look at what we all go through. can
any of you honestly say that you have never had these thoughts?  i think that
it took a lot of courage to say what she said about it and to admit that yes,
at times we all doubt ourselves, whether it be over our appearance, our social
status or our sexuality (just examples, not being shallow here).  we are all
human beings and to doubt things is a part of the growth and change process.
these doubts only make us stronger because if we blindly follow a belief or an
idea then how can that belief truly be our own? enough said!
ok, down from my soapbox, and onto my ig song answer.  i would have to say
welcome me.  the years after high school for me were ones of true self
discovery and of finding my place in the world.  welcome me reminds me of
those struggles and the questions that i had during those years.

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 09:48:03 -0500
reply-to:     "riney, lora lei l." <llriney@saintfrancis.com>
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bar corrice..where are you..sparkie is going away soon......wanted to
say hi and find out about last weekend.....
also....i do have to leave the list tomorrow. i do not have the address
to send the unsub note to..could ya help me out.?..thanks.....sparkie
regretfully havin to sign off..

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 16:47:44 +0100
reply-to:     sharon bell <njt21@holyrood.ed.ac.uk>
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beccie wrote...

myself
> as a lesbian, find it hard to not understand the way she felt.  when everyone
> around you is constantly telling you that you would be better off with a man,
> and the media seems to still be forcing this issue down our throats, it is no
> wonder that amy can feel this way even after all of this time.

yes!! at the risk of doing a "me too" posting i have to agree with you
there. i think it's so cool that amy can talk about those negative aspects
of being queer. it's like, i think so many of us are scared of looking
like the unhappy single homosexual stereotype that never seems to go away.
it's like blood and fire. it's hard to listen to, but it's a sign of her
courage and maturity that she can be like, yeah, i'm happy - *sometimes*.

but then, i'm just a little "queered out" this week cos my uni group is
having all its new members' meetings now. gotta keep smiling for three
more days :)

sharon

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 11:48:21 -0400
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sorry - i haven't been paying attention.  i have dat-direct tapes of
these 2 gd openers.  sound like they're recorded from the monitor mix -
but still enjoyable, just very dry - no effects, and you can't hear the
crowd.  i'd be glad to offer this - but at a later date - i'm up to my
ears in 9:30 boots.  i'll post to the list when the 9:30 demand slows
down.  promise.

-tara
tara lane
********
in clover - an awesome band!
http://www.onsitenet.net/inclover
telane@trigon.com

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 11:55:17 edt
reply-to:     dovesland@aol.com
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from:         beccie lyon <dovesland@aol.com>
subject:      fwd: april indigo girls concert
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again, with feeling!!!!

:o)

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from: dovesland@aol.com
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subject: april indigo girls concert
date: mon, 5 oct 1998 14:15:57 edt
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ola
i am looking for a bootleg of the april lexington indigo girls concert.  if
anyone out there has it or knows someone who does please let me know.  i am
just getting started with ig boots and i have met another fan online who
really wants this concert. i was there of course but didn't even think about
taping it.  so if you do know anything about is please let me know.
peace love and light
beccie

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 11:06:50 -0600
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did emily write house at pooh corner which appears on purple parrot?

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 12:31:18 -0400
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are the 'mona lisas' and 'am tune' tracks on the commercial bootleg
"history of us" the same tracks as the ones on "rev. 1 live"?

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 12:42:00 -0400
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no kenny loggins wrote it

on thu, 8 oct 1998, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:

> did emily write house at pooh corner which appears on purple parrot?
>

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 13:19:29 -0400
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>>no kenny loggins wrote it
>>on thu, 8 oct 1998, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:
>>did emily write house at pooh corner which appears on purple parrot?

and we all know that kenny loggins (who leaped into stardom on the
caddyshack soundtrack) is one of emily's biggest influences!

8-o

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 12:29:00 -0400
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on thu, 8 oct 1998, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:

> did emily write house at pooh corner which appears on purple parrot?

doubt it ... i've never heard "purple parrot" but if it's the
same one that everybody knows, it was written by kenny "mr.
soundtrack" loggins circa 1969 and was released by loggins and
messina circa 1974 and rereleased by loggins on his "return to
pooh corner" cd a few years ago with additional lyrics.

"help me if you can i've got to get
back to the house at pooh corner by 1
you'd be surprised there's so much to be done
count all the bees in the hive
chase all the clouds from the sky
back to the days of christopher robin and pooh"

tle
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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 10:25:25 pdt
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great promotion ya'll but i joined the list and not one darned thing has
come thru yet.

*hugs*

lamia

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the way you can't bare me
medicate me
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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 13:43:39 -0400
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on thu, 8 oct 1998, mike cunningham wrote:

> and we all know that kenny loggins (who leaped into stardom on the
> caddyshack soundtrack) is one of emily's biggest influences!

   uhhh...right, so does anybody have a boot of the girls singing "danger
zone?"

   darius

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 13:24:35 -0600
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my dad sent this to me, just thought y'all might be interested.

>from: <bill_jackson@harley-davidson.com>
>date: thu, 8 oct 1998 13:03:20 -0500
>subject: bootlegging
>to: strosenblum@students.wisc.edu
>
>     that history of bootlegging i'm reading is very interesting.  it
>     divides the bootleggers from the pirates.  the pirates are those who
>     do commercial harm.  they reproduce extant albums.  the bootleggers
>     (and a complete history of the endeavor is presented, going back to
>     shakespeare) present a whole new art form; they are essentially folk
>     artist purveying material for intense fans who would otherwise be
>     unable to gain acess to live shows.  well, you know all this; however,
>     as i read it, i realize things about folk culture that are new to my
>     thought processes.
>
>
>     by the way, hey, the term 'bootlegger' comes from prohibition days
>     when rum-runners would hide bottles in their boots.  (as applied,
>     then, to shakespeare, they were called something else as the term
>     comes from the twenties.)
>
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in a message dated 98-10-08 10:11:09 edt, loftynotions@blueridge.net writes:

<< subj:         new virus alert
date:  98-10-08 10:11:09 edt
from:  loftynotions@blueridge.net (susan & kathy)
to:    flg940bigr@aol.com
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  i don't know if you have heard this yet....someone is sending out screen
saver :
> > "the budweiser frogs"
> > if you download it, you will lose everything!!!!
> > your hard drive will crash!!!
> > don't download this in any circumstances!!! it just went into
> > circulation yesterday,.....be careful.  please distribute this to as
> > many people as possible.....
> >
> > if you download, some jerk from internet will get your screen name and
> > passwords!
> > please send this to any names you can think of and remember never
> > download.... buddylst.zip.  this information was announced yesterday
> > morning from microsoft.  please share it with everyone that might
>access the internet.
> >
> > also do not open or even look at any mail that says " returned or
     unable deliver".  this virus will attach itself to your computer
components
> > and render them useless.  immediately delete any mail items that says
> > this.  aol has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is
> > no remedy for it at this time.  please practice cautionary measures and
> > forward this to all your on-line friends asap.
> > hope this does not get you!!!! >>
>>
>> scott doubek
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> >>


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i don't know if you have heard this yet....someone is sending out screen
saver :
> > "the budweiser frogs"
> > if you download it, you will lose everything!!!!
> > your hard drive will crash!!!
> > don't download this in any circumstances!!! it just went into
> > circulation yesterday,.....be careful.  please distribute this to as
> > many people as possible.....
> >
> > if you download, some jerk from internet will get your screen name and
> > passwords!
> > please send this to any names you can think of and remember never
> > download.... buddylst.zip.  this information was announced yesterday
> > morning from microsoft.  please share it with everyone that might
>access the internet.
> >
> > also do not open or even look at any mail that says " returned or
    unable deliver".  this virus will attach itself to your computer
components
> > and render them useless.  immediately delete any mail items that says
> > this.  aol has said that this is a very dangerous virus and that there is
> > no remedy for it at this time.  please practice cautionary measures and
> > forward this to all your on-line friends asap.
> > hope this does not get you!!!! >>
>>
>> scott doubek
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>> ph# 650-930-2998
>> fax#650-930-1655

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 15:23:33 pdt
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sorry for the nigc.....but i'm looking for anyone to help me out that's
familiar with some cool places for a 17 year old and her friends to hang
out on **sunday** in chicago. thanks so much y'all....email me privately
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hey all,

   when i first got the self titled album i always ended the cd before this
song, i can't say what it was i just never listened to it. i kept listening to
blood and fire and land of canaan over and over cause those were my favorites
at the time.  well i finally listened to that song like a couple months ago,
and i just love it...it's so beautiful and it was nice cause it was like
hearing a brand new song from them.  this song's imagery really moves me and
the way she talks about how a love is something sacred and needs to be honored
and appreciated now, before it becomes just a memory..a painted history
instead of a living thing. anyway, this is now one of my favorites of
emily's.....

peace,
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>>which ig song reminds you most of your life/experiences the year after high
school...whether it be first year of college or what have you...>>

for me, it would have to be "the girl with the weight of the world in her
hands."  after high school, within the space of seven months or so, i managed
to do some incredibly stupid things i can only chalk up to being young and
stupid, simply because i refuse to believe i actually made those choices
consciously.  i tended to just let life carry me along rather than believing i
could create my own destiny.  i went through a phase of "i'll show you who's
gay!" and did some things i wholly regret and am beyond not proud of.  and the
whole time i let the weight of all my problems and most of the problems of the
people i know drag me down so low i eventually became homeless and broke.  i
was the most hopelessly pessimistic depressed person anybody knew.  i don't
really know what broke the spell, but one day i woke up under a bridge cold,
exhausted, starving, and without two pennies to rub together.  at that point i
simply decided i had had enough, managed to get a job, convinced some friends
of mine to rent their walk-in closet out to me as a sleeping space (yes, the
joke of the house for a while was "oh, look...the dyke came out of the
closet), and managed to get back on my feet.  i think i'm a much better person
for all that, because i did a lot of growing up and changing on the streets,
and i don't know that i would have done so had all this not happened to me.

okay, enough rambling from me...

dawn

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at 07:22 pm 10/8/98 edt, you wrote:
> >>which ig song reminds you most of your life/experiences the year after high
>school...whether it be first year of college or what have you...>>

for me it would have to be touch me fall. you see, when i graduated from
high school, it was may, and may in florida is very hot; so i was probably
looking forward to fall weather. and you know what? i'm still looking
forward to fall weather.

jendy

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hi folks,

i received the message below... beth's not on the list so
if you could send the lyrics to her via private mail at
the address listed that would be great.

thanks,
sherlyn
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date: thu, 08 oct 1998 20:06:17 -0500
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subject: lyrics for "soon to be nothing" and "gone again"

hey if anyone can help me find the lyrics for these two songs i would be =
sooo much obliged!  so if someone could just forward them to me or tell =
me where to look to find them.  thank you guys so much!

beth halpern
beth.a.halpern@lawrence.edu

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 21:32:20 -0400
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can we please stop sending virus warnings to the list????!?!?!?  i don't
usually get mad, but come on, if you read the faq, it clearly states that
we should not send such crap to the list!  we have all seen these virus
warnings 100 times, the last place i want to see them again is on the
indigo girls list.  they're all fake anyway...

karen

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hey ya'll. don't know how many of you out there watch ellen, but tonight,
ellen was given a gift for her birthday to go to a rock -n- roll fantasy camp.
well, she's sitting there talking to her cuz spence and he says she can be
anyone she wants: "melissa etheridge..uh k.d. lang..the indigo girls..tina
turner!" already hinting at her upcoming "outing." but it was great! i was
flipping out! all my favs in one show! anyway...

jessie (who's just a little too obsessed!)
=)

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hey everyone....

i got a great album tonight by erica wheeler.  check her out.  folksy,
rock, but most of all, a great, crystal clear voice.  i got it at b&n in
the folk section for 16 bucks.  :)  enjoy.

other than that, could melsouth please mail me?  i have your boots and
have lost your snail addy....

thanks-

karrie
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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 23:10:31 edt
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hello to all in the land of indigo!

just wondering, has anyone heard anything on the release date of
the clash tribute cd that was supposed to be out this fall?  i have
asked at several different record stores (indie and chain) and i keep
getting blank stares and no answer.

if anyone has any info could you pass it along on the list.

take care and peace!

-deb

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hello again!

when i was driving home i was singing to the eagles "take it easy"
and thought to myself what a fun song this would be to hear amy and emily
cover.  could you just hear amy:  i'm running down the road trying to loosen
my load
                                                                  i got 7 women on my mind......
                                                    emily : it's a girl my lord, in a flatbed ford slowin'
                                                           down to take a look at me...

i thought it would be really cute, cause you know it would be true!
(i must admit, if i was driving by i would definately take the time to admire
a&e)


then after take it easy, was mark knopfler's romeo & juliet.  i forgot how
different
amy makes it sound, with such passion and intensity.  don't get me wrong i
like
the origional, but i couldn't help but hear amy singing it her way
simultaneously.

take care and peace!

-deb

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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 23:25:12 -0400
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i am in need of advice.  i guess it is sort of in honor of national coming
out day, but it also becuase of the speech amy delivered at clemson that
someone posted...anyway i was kind of thinking about telling my mom after
almost three years of secrecy; anyway so i was talking to her the other
night and we started talking about gay rights.  (my mom is fairly
conservative) and, she went off and started talking about how "they"
should not be "legally encouraged" in this country ie no gay marriage, no
spousal benefits, etc...she wadsnt testing me...she really believes that.
now, i am really afraid to tell her for fear of her disowning me and/or
forcing me to leave school and go back home (oklahoma..aaakkk) but i
really
hate lying to her...if i were to bring this up, what on earth do i say? my
mom is very intelligent and will not buy the "mom i just need to educate
you" agrument...so what do you all think?
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date:         thu, 8 oct 1998 23:53:21 -0400
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hello kiddies, i haven't posted in, like, a hundred years here.  (okay,
that's it, leave all your friends until you really need someone.)  so,
anyway, i just started dating this cute girl and she *loves* poi dog
pondering.  (they're a band--i didn't know either.)  but the thing is, her
original self-titled cd of them got busted, and it's been out of print for
like 4 years.

so, i'm wondering, essentially, if anyone can hook me up with a copy for
my new honey!  i'll do *anything!*  i have lots of ig boots and i"m
willing to pay cold hard cash, or cold hard anything else.  (oh, that
sounds nasty!)

email me, we'll talk.

chris ii (yep, i'm postin again.  been lurkin too long!)

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someone has got to have a boot of this.... will you share with me???
pretty please???
ummm song for after high school?  that's kinda tricky cuz i didn't like
ig till the end of that summer... my how i've grown :)  but i guess i'd
have to say galileo b/c i learned sooooo much that summer about things
that were just foreign to me... the things you'll run into at girlscout
camp :)
and for a random, you know you're obsessed moment... today in sociology
class, i came in late and saw "rites of passage" written on the board
and i was so psyched that my very conservative, homophobic teacher who
happens to be a minister was an ig fan!  of course 3 hits immediately
started running through my head :)  he kinda shattered that image when
he showed this video about female "castration" (a commom rite os passage
in most of africa) ewwwwwwwwww!  but anyway, i gotta finish studying...
if you have that boot, email me, please :)
jill

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hey, i was thinking about what values ig music has.  i'm thinking medicinal.

this sounds funny, and maybe peculiar.  when i was engaged, i got urinary
tract infections constantly....probably b/c all the beer i drank in college.
anyway, i remember driving from nashville to memphis with my boyfriend/fiance
one summer.  we were fighting, the car had no a/c, and i was suffering through
my first case of a urinary tract infection / kidney infection.  since i was
driving, i had free reign of the audio, so i popped in _swamp ophelia_.  mike,
my boyfriend/fiance (at the time), liked david wilcox and billy joel...not
really into ig.   we were still fighting and i was still in pain.  then, once
those harmonies and rich lyrics came blasting through the sound system of the
car, the bickering and pain vanished.  my infection didnt' hurt so much, i
stopped debating with mike, and the heat didn't seem that bad.  their music
was like medicine.  it made everything better.

so, i think that their (amy's and emily's) intentions are to make the world a
better place, and if they don't think that their music does this, then what
are they doing it for?  therefore, i know they know this, ya know?

if you knew that one of your gifts was helping all kinds of people in the
world, would you ever stop providing that?  heck, no.  so, i says they won't
every stop.  i've saved a butt load of money by just listening to their music
(and other's too but mostly ig) instead of going to a doctor (m.d. or ph.d.).
make sense?

-chee

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but they're the only times i've ever known,
and i believe that there is a time
for meditation in cathedrals of our own..."
-billy joel

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did we ever establish where on the website you can view these shirts?  i know
we figured it's legit, but i'd like to see them, and darned if i could find
it.  can anyone who found it help me w/ this info?  thanks.

love,
alissa

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i have an odd request: any lesbian list members (gee, are there any?), if
you are over 25 and feel like you might qualify as a wise role model type
person (i know i know, no one really feels like they do, but....), i have
some sexual identity questions that i'd like an impartial, more experienced
person to help me with. i won't waste any more space. just e-mail me
privately if you feel like it.

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i heard january 1999

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hey everyone!
my girlfriend just joined the list (well actually, she joined yesterday)
so i wanted to publicly welcome her :)  i know you'll all be nice to her
:)
have a lovely day :)
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in a message dated 98-10-09 01:25:50 edt, mari798106@aol.com writes:

<< did we ever establish where on the website you can view these shirts? >>


whom ever has the addy, please post it cause i'd like to see the shirts too.

lynn   :-)   <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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hi, folks,
        songs ig should cover?
        how about "geronimo's cadillac"?
deb

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my friend diane is doing a paper that will look at native americans and the
conditions on the reservations (alcoholism, depression, suicide, diabetes,
poverty, etc.) and i've gotten some starting ideas for her but i am only
helpful to a point. i know there's a bunch of you who could recommend good
books and stuff to her, so please drop her a note at drouge@scrippscol.edu and
help her out. thanks so much folks.
-sam (avoiding her physics homework because jerry springer has "lesbian
cousins in love" on right now)

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<<kenny loggins (who leaped into stardom on the
> caddyshack soundtrack)>>

this is one of those things that makes  person feel old.
loggin's and messina ... 'sail away' ...mainstays of just
about every record collection around in the early seventies.
i don't know from soundtracks.
but believe me he was well known waay before caddyshack...
caddyshackkk ?????
oy.
funny how history changes as time moves on .....
:)
claire

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how about jim croce? "goin back to georgia"...or i could totally see
them doing any number of his songs...

-lyndsay


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hey ya'll,

here's the address for the spitfire tour website.

i didn't see anything about ordering t-shirts on it though.

if anyone knows where one can view the shirts and order
them could you post to the list.

hopefully spitfire will make it's way up to new england,
perhaps hampshire college down the road from me! (since it
is a pretty progressive college, no grades, self-made majors, etc,)

take care and peace!

-deb

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a couple of days ago when i posted a thanks for help with making my cooper
wallpaper a lot of people expressed interest in simply knowing what cooper
looks like.  for the curious and visually deprived i have made the strip of
photos that i used for wallpaper accessible to all.  look and enjoy.  here
is the site:

<http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/coopcol.gif>

if you want to know more about cooper and her music in general visit my
cooper page:

<http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/cooper.htm>

thanks!

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hi there.  sorry to post this to the entire list but i don't know how else
to do it.  someone still owes me the following boots:

seattle 1/98
atlanta pride 1996
blood & fire
mountain stage
franklin & marshall college 1993

if you are the one who owes me these, please email and let me know what's
going on.  if you can't send them for some reason, that's fine but let me
know.  i do want them and if i can't get them from you, i'll try to work
something out with someone else.  thanks!

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among the ig catalogue, it's as if power of two was written for me.  the
song doesn't really bring me back to the "post-high school me" as the
original e-m asked.  it does, though, speak to me loud and clear from my
second year of college (1991) to the present.  i rarely contribute to
this discussion group, but potwo is so powerful to me, i felt obligated
to share.
power of two speaks to me the most regarding my relationship w/ my very
best friend in college.  she has just moved back to dallas (where i
live), and i'm struggling about whether to bring her back into my
"daily" life after three years of our living cross-country from one
another.  add to that, i'm seeing someone else now, someone w/ whom i
like and am just now building a history.  but then i hear potwo, and i
think how can i not bring the first one back into the fold?
when i take a step back, i believe i can't "mesh" with anyone as well as
i did w/ the college friend.  i rarely let anyone into my inner self,
but she was so easy to let in, it was a natural.  i'm hesitant to try to
re-establish the relationship to its previous depth in fear that our
lives have changed now, and i'd hate to try to force something that may
no loger be there, and in doing so, blemish what we had.  we could be
casually good friends and are both mature enough to make that
meaningful.  but that's hard to do knowing what we had and not reaching
that level again.
sorry for the rambling.............. the topic simply got me pensive.

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just happened to check my sent mail and look what i saw...

<mail/[]> sent-mail  msg 123 of 123

1-2-3...nothing's for free!!
*gigglefits* i'm not obsessed :)

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of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

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just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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chicago area listees, don't miss it!

rose polenzani, the rockin' chica that she is, is playing tonight at
morseland music room (1218 w. morse) in chicago tonight.  others on the
bill include the difference and steve keller...this is a comfy and
intimate setting (and she's got to fit the mood of this place better
than the angsty-grunge-punk boy group i saw there a couple months ago).

i don't know the exact starting time, but doors open at 8:00.  cover is
(and i'm quoting morseland's message machine here) "between $5 and $8,
which includes a buffet).  for more info, morseland's # is 773-764-6401.

see ya,
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hey y'all!

i am signing off for the weekend because i am headed for colorado.  my
e-mail account just won't be able to handle all the list mail for the
weekend.  so if you need me for anything, please e-mail me privately.
i'll be checking my e-mail again on sunday night.  bye for now!

love,
karen :-)

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date:         fri, 9 oct 1998 12:12:11 -0500
reply-to:     shelley miller <smiller@hiffmanshaffer.com>
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shelley here (strange_fire66)...my other account is on the fritz, so i'm writing from my work account instead.

does anyone else notice a similarity between squeaky fromme (elaine!  thanks so much for the amy boot!) and faye tucker?  subject matter, tone, amy wrenching-your-guts-out-with-that-voice...i'd be interested to hear what anyone else has to say about this...its interesting to hear amy in 1998 sound that much like
amy circa 1987.

and speaking of similarities, is it just me, or does the opening of the new son volt song sound more than a bit like the beginning of the newly rocked-up power of two?...of course, this isn't nearly as amusing as the part of shawn mullins' "lullaby" that sounds like the chorus of an ibopa song (please say i'm not the only person on this list who knows who they are...think "they might be giants" in drag singing lounge-ska).

peace,
shel

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i saw inn trouble the other night...and after getting over the cheesy
acting, i must say it was a suprisingly good movie...does anyone know if
there really is a maggie's inn or one similar to it?

st-st-st-steph

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in a message dated 98-10-09 08:44:00 edt, sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu writes:

<< http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/coopcol.gif >>


i went to check out this page and was told that the addy does not exist.
anyone else having this problem?

lynn   :-)   <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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here's some dates for shawn mullins.  i noticed that he is talked about
often on here, and if anyone could explain the connection to me, i'd be
very happy. :)  all i know is that he is from atlanta (i think) and that
he thanks ig in the liner notes.

any info would help, and maybe inspire me to make it to one of these.

thanks!
roger

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interest wrinkles the soul.            - d. m.
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date: thu, 8 oct 1998 19:17:45 -0400 (edt)
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subject: daily dish - 10/08


shawn fine day

with his hit single, "lullaby," breaking out all over america,
singer/songwriter shawn mullins is going on the road opening a
series of shows for chris isaak.  here's where:

11/03/98  minneapolis, mn     state theatre
11/05/98  chicago, il         chicago theatre
11/06/98  milwaukee, wi       riverside theatre
11/08/98  detroit, mi         detroit state theatre
11/10/98  columbus, oh        ohio theatre
11/12/98  washington, dc      9:30 club
11/20/98  new york, ny        roseland

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>rose polenzani, the rockin' chica that she is, is playing tonight at
>morseland music room (1218 w. morse) in chicago tonight.

please please please will somebody boot this?
shel?
please?

jill the whiny

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dan bern.... singer-songwriter, funny as hell.  i highly recommend you
go see him.

jill

>from: "dbhq" <danbern@gte.net>
>to: dbhq@garden.net
>
>hey bern heads!
>
>this is a special mini-edition... just a couple of quick things to
>say... i'm not even going to be all cutesy like i usually am! :)
>
>smartie mine!
>
>wow! dbhq is overwhelmed by your response to smartie mine!!!
>for those of you who haven't heard, smartie mine is dan's new
>indie release cd, which will be coming out on november 2! info
>about it is available at http://www.dbhq.com
>
>i just wanted to address a couple of things, since i've been getting
>many, many, many questions....
>
>* smartie mine will not be available in stores! to get a copy, you
>have to order one from dbhq, or you can buy a copy at dan's
>shows this november (sorry, they will not be available at the
>huntington, ny show!). to order from us, send a check for $17
>made to dan bern to dan bern merchandise, 1158 26th st #411,
>santa monica, ca 90403
>
>* all pre-orders will be shipped on or before november 2. any
>orders received between november 3 and 17 will be delayed,
>because i will be on tour. expect for them to go out the last week
>in november.
>
>* i will gladly send copies to other countries! but please send us
>funds and include an extra $5 us for shipping.
>
>* remember, this is a limited release, so you should probably
>reserve your copy soon! we will sell out!
>
>* any other questions, please write to me at danbern@gte.net!
>
>new tour dates
>
>here's the fall tour... please note the clinton, ny, pawling, ny,
>and vancouver, bc dates. these weren't on the last schedule that i
>sent you.
>
>10/14/98     ny ave      huntington ny           516-427-2582
>
>11/04/98     rutgers      new brunswick nj     908-745-7272
>
>11/06/98   sam adams   philadelphia  pa       215-563-2326
>
>11/07/98    towne crier    pawling ny             914-855-1300
>
>11/11/98     bottom line    nyc                      212-228-6300
>
>11/12/98  hamilton college  clinton ny           315-859-4194
>
>11/13/98  gettysburg college gettysburg pa   717-337-6304
>
>11/15/98   the birchmere    alexandria  va     703-549-5919
>
>11/17/98   tractor tavern    seattle wa           206-789-4250
>
>11/18/98  the starfish room    vancouver bc  604-602-9798
>
>11/20/98    st. john's               berkeley ca    510-548-1761
>
>11/21/98    mccabes         santa monica ca    310-828-4403
>
>and, of course, up to date touring information is always available at
>http://www.dbhq.com
>
>subscription changes
>
>visit http://gate.garden.net:81/guest/remotelistsummary/dbhq
>for all changes in subscription to this list!
>
>
>it ain't braggin' if it's true,
>
>dbhq
>
>http://www.dbhq.com
>danbern@gte.net
>
>1158 26th st #411
>santa monica, ca 90403
>
>(888) 222-bern
>


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reply-to:     shelley miller <strange_fire66@hotmail.com>
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woo-hoo!  music galore!  anyone wanna go to any of these shows w. me?

kelly hogan/devil in a woodpile, october 17, schuba's
sleater-kinney, october 24, metro
slow gherkin (and some other ska bands), october 27, house of blues
tori amos, october 29, northwestern university
tribe 8, november 7, lounge ax
cowboy junkies/over the rhine, november 11, riviera

peace,
shelley

p.s. i'm going to try and boot rose polenzani's show tonight, for those
interested.

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date:         fri, 9 oct 1998 15:26:35 -0500
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hi all! :) i'm in the process of starting a (dare-i-say) book (!?!?!)
about the history of women in folk music, especially concerning music and
political movements. of course, the indigo girls are going to be a pretty
large part of my section on modern folk music. sooo...can anyone point me
to other modern artists/information (besides ig, dar & ani)? any help will
be appreciated. also, any information on lesser-known, but important
artists that i should look into from any time period would be a great
help!

thanks so much! :)
amy

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i was just wondering if there were any other list members who live in =
montreal.  it is not my permanent home, but i go to mcgill, so i call =
montreal home for now.  i have been trying to find cool places to hang =
out and listen to good music of any kind.  so far i have already started =
following some local performers like parkside jones, tara martin, and my =
personal favorite: pigeon-hole.

pigeon-hole is a female duo similar to ig and they cover them sometimes. =
i urge anyone in montreal to check them out live and buy there album.  =
it is available in the local/independent section of hmv.

that is all for now,

erica

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1)  i woke up this morning with a line from "caramia" in my head.  the quote i
woke up with was, "one shoe off and a bridge to cross over."  which really
freaks me out b/c the line before this line is, "why are you dreaming this?"
now, this song means so much more to me than ever!!!!!!  just listen to it,
man.  it's intense.  i know what it's about, now.  it almost freaks me out.
shoes are important to me lately...just got back from rei, bought another pair
of boots.

2)  spitfire tour t-shirt design is on the web page
(http://www.spitfiretour.com).  now you say, "where?" --- the design on the
page itself is the t-shirt design!!!!

3)  i just looked at cooper's pictures on sheryl's web page.  it disturbs me
to see them.  everybody says i look like so many people.  the most popular
ones are  younger mary chapin carpenter and younger cooper seay.  that's good
i guess, but it still disturbes me...you know?  like why should we care what
cooper looks like?

feeling stupid and wasteful.....after hearing "caramia" for the 100th time
today, i have a whole new perspective on my life.  needless to say, this may
be the last of my posts on this list...gotta do something, man.

-chee

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<< how about jim croce? "goin back to georgia"...or i could totally see
them doing any number of his songs... >>

i can totally see them covering "cat's in the cradle."  maybe it's just me...

dawn

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hey y'all.  silly little request here.  if anybody knows them, could ya send
me the lyrics to house at pooh corner?  my g/f loves that song, and i'd like
to be able to sing it to her sometime.

thanks y'all!

dawn

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date:         fri, 9 oct 1998 17:14:59 -0700
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hey y'all.  i just found this web site with pictures of the spitfire
shirts.  here it is..
http://www.spitfiretour.com/pages/tshirts.html

also, sarah posted yesterday about bootlegging and pirates..well, i
just wanted y'all know that i'm not a pirate, as in...
> the pirates are those who
> do commercial harm.  they reproduce extant albums.

i thought my name could cause people to think that..just wanted to
clear that up.

erin :)


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ok crisis over!   thanks to everyones response and tips to my post about not
being able to access this page.    i got thru when the addy was re-sent to me
this morning.

thanks again to all that responded (and you know who you are),

lynn   :-)    <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
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i was wondering if anyone knows what the colors stand for in the flag and
when and where it originated from? as so as possible can i get the answer.
i want to update my web page and use the facts. missy

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hi..my name is stephanie..and as of yesterday..i am a member of this list..i
was hoping to be able to get my hands on some boots.....unfortunately, i do
not have any of my own..but i am willing to trade whatever for them...i'll
even pay, if it comes down to that....if anyone can help me....drop me a line,
please

thanks y'all

steph :)

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hey y'all.  the other day someone posted looking for one of these
boots.  if that's you..email me, i have some info.  erin :)


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i just popped into the local coffee shop to, i guess, feel my 'touchstone'.
sometimes they have local performers and tonight was one of those nights.  i
live in kent, ohio, a major university in a small city kind of place.  there
was this young man sitting behind a many times used mic.  on his hip was what
appeared to be his best friend, a scratched, tattered, but nice sounding
guitar.  he spoke softly into the mic almost as if asking permission to play
and he said "this one's called tangled up in blue."  i caught myself scanning
the small, dim, but warm room.  i realize now that i was looking for all of
you to share this passionate moment with.  hope this wasn't too wordy.
lynn

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reply-to:     l hayes <locisima@hotmail.com>
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jill posted:

>
>hey, if you're in the area... i highly recommend you go....
>
>>reply-to: oberlin lgbt union
><lesbian.gay.bisexual.transgender.un@oberlin.edu>
>>
>>if you have questions about the schedule please contact
>matthew.yim@oberlin.edu,
>>activities coordinator.
>or email me (jillyc@hotmail.com)
>
>jill
>
>>coming out week schedule
>>

<snippy>

and while we're at it, here is the schedule for the university of
cincinnati, if you're in the area and want to go to anything.  e-mail me
if you have any questions. <locisima@hotmail.com>

liz

here it is!  the promised coming out week schedules! please print them
for yourself and or come to the office and pick some up to give to your
friends, post on campus/clifton/everywhere!!!!
**
the uc lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgendered alliance presents
coming out week 98 sunday, october 11:
  -   poetry open mic at buzz coffeeshop, 5pm-7pm
  buzz coffeeshop is located at the corners of university and jefferson
aves in clifton
monday, october 12:
  -   lunch discussion with kristen beck of the uc feminist coalition:
domestic violence in lgbt relationships, 12pm-1pm, location tba
[liz's note:  i love kristen...she's soo cool! too bad i have a class.]
   -       family potluck dinner, call 556-1449 for details tuesday,
october 13:
        -       lunch film/discussion, "lesbian teenagers in high
school" by videographer norah salmon, 12pm-1pm, in 424 tuc
  -   uc lgbt alliance weekly meeting, location tba, 4:30pm
        -       join us for the pflag meeting, where dads will be
talking about their experience as parents of lgbt people, call 556-1449
for details wednesday, october 14:
        -       lunch discussion, "explaining issue 3" with joy robinson
from stonewall cincinnati, in 425 tuc, from 11am-12pm and 12pm -1pm
(this is so important we're doing it twice)
        -       panel discussion: lgbt people as parents, 525 old chem
at 7pm thursday, october 15:
        -       lunch discussion: open forum on bisexuality, 12pm-1pm,
424 tuc
  -  movies and chalking: old chem 525/tuc bridge
        beautiful thing, 6pm /chalking 8pm /all over me 9pm friday,
october 16:
  -   wear a ball cap to show your pride/support!
   -   speak out at noon on tanners green (in front of tuc)
  -       let's go party in dayton! call 556-1449
saturday, october 17:
    -    closing party, call 556-1449 for details
  the uc lgbt alliance's office is in 209 tuc.  for information, please
stop by or call 556-1449.  have a great week!  tba locations will appear
in the news record, or call.

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date:         fri, 9 oct 1998 06:35:54 -0600
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it is a really difficult thing to do, coming out that is. my parents are
both firm followers in the mormon religion and that was enough to scare
me for three years as well. but eventually i just called up my mom and
said look i think you should sit down and i told her everything. for the
first year they lived in denial and then eventually, although they
aren't okay with it, they still love me. it isn't so much as lying to
your mom, it is more about being honest to yourself. if you have chosen
this lifestyle then you have to accept the consequences of being honest
about it. all it ends up doing is hurting yourself in the end, because
you will end up distancing yourself from your family.

alayna

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date:         fri, 9 oct 1998 23:13:01 pdt
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>date:  thu, 8 oct 1998 23:17:50 -0600
>reply-to: "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
>from:  "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
>subject:      totally nigc
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
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hi sarah,

i don't know if i'm a wise role model, but i came out of the closet when
i was 15. now i'm 29. my name is angelina, or angie by the way.
i'm from holland and those things are more accepted now around here. but
back then, when i came out it was really, really difficult.

so, i am willing to help you with any question you might have! just ask
me. maybe for a start you can watch movies like "desert hearts" or
"clair of the moon", or something. there are ofcource more movies and a
lot of books, but i have to look that up.

rita mae brown is a great writer. sorry if my english isn't correct, but
as i said, i'm from holland. feel free to ask me anything! i like to
help you! ask me anything about everything, ok? and he, it isn't an odd
request!

love,
angie

>i have an odd request: any lesbian list members (gee, are there any?),
if
>you are over 25 and feel like you might qualify as a wise role model
type
>person (i know i know, no one really feels like they do, but....), i
have
>some sexual identity questions that i'd like an impartial, more
experienced
>person to help me with. i won't waste any more space. just e-mail me
>privately if you feel like it.
>
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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 00:53:35 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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subject:      spitfire t-shirt price
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cheeeee said
>this was sent to me by the spitfire people.
><< you can buy a t-shirt through us by mailing a check for $15...

on the website, if i recall correctly, it says the shirts are $18.

so which is it?

jill

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 00:59:14 pdt
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this is long overdue, but it's been nagging me for a while...

when i saw the sst in cleveland (at the beginning of the tour), i bought
a poster.  for $10.

yet when other listees (i'm thinking of babs and her 30-tshirt-spree)
bought posters at the nyc shows (at the end of the tour), they were
charged only $3.

1. why?
2. i'm not gonna be a smitty and ask for the $7.  but i *do* want to ask
*someone* officially involved with the tour why the prices were changed
like that. just because it *is* unfair.  i know the difference, in
dollars, is small. but percentage-wise, that's a 70% discount!  who
would i ask?  who was in charge of it (besides amy and emily... or are
they the only ones?).  arg hierarchy.

jill

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 07:08:52 edt
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why is one still up near 7:00 a.m.?  why writing a poem about the obsession
the ig can cause, of course.  excuse the space consumption.
lynn

as i sit in this shimmering silence of silken blackness
i am caught lingering in the lounge of love long lost
where the carefully selected company is comfortable

it is in this evolving place
during the hue of the suns first dutiful blink and stretch
that i behold the sacred place of your conception

sensing home, i am momentarily transformed
no longer the foreign intruder
i am a native of your seemingly solitary soil

you spill harmoniously from tall, black, electric cliffs
i long to frolic in your omniscient, milky waves
until the amphitheater of my soul is clean

your carefully gardened messages
poison and heal my tender skin
from your palette, my tattoo

now confident in our kindred blood
i easily peel your protected language
and selfishly devour your fruits

i'm certain you know me so well
i think you are a part of me
but truth is laughing, it knows that i am you.

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 07:38:55 pdt
reply-to:     toye <indigowomyn@ruralcom.net>
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subject:      what cooper looks like
x-to:         sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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wonder what cooper looks like?  the bomb!  that's what!  i've only seen her in one thing...the movie, "inn trouble."  but she looked great in it and sounded great too.  for anyone else who saw the movie, i kept thinking rey was crazy not to be w/ cooper and to be w/ that other woman!

toye
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                                                           --amy ray

a lot of people expressed interest in simply knowing what cooper
> looks like.

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 10:54:04 -0400
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i care what cooper looks like because i'm a huge fan of hers.  sure, i
first listened to her music because of her association with amy.  i've done
that with a lot of artists--michelle malone, danielle howle, rose
polenzani.  i think amy likes that sort of thing.  she wants to see strong
singer/songwriters succeed.  she still sells cooper's album at daemon so i
think she's mature enough to seperate personal from professional.  now i
love cooper on her own merits.  she's a great singer, songwriter and
guitarist as well as just being hilarious in shows.  that's why i made her
page.  that's why i made the wallpaper.  i've made it my mission to expose
as many people to cooper's music as possible.  why is that disturbing?

sheryl jones
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 10:41:58 -0600
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sorry everyone, just had to ask what was with the t-shirts for the
spitfire tour? i went to the web page and they say their $18, or are they
$15 like someone said on the list?
any help is appreciated
indigo hugs...
katy :)

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 11:47:19 edt
reply-to:     tcheehill@aol.com
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it's disturbing to me b/c of the mere fact of wanting to know what cooper seay
looks like.  i used to have a mental picture of her...something...i don't
know.  fyi-i just got a look at amy, real amy this year.  and see here's my
point:  i've been a huge fan of emily's and amy's music for ages...for as long
as i can remember, people, that's not that long...but still, it's been a long
freakin' time for me.  i have never seen them in concert....except when i was
really young, my camp couselor took me to see them at west ga college back in
the 80's...that doesn't count.  anyway, what i'm saying is this.  i am a legit
fan....of their music, first.  then, they're activism comes next.  i have
never seen emily in person.  never seen amy until this past summer.  i'm not
really interested in seeing what they look like, knowing what they eat for
dinner, where they hang out, why they boycott kraft foods, and esp. knowing
what cooper looks like.

but here's the fly in the oinment, folks.  i do care now, and it disturbs me.
i'm disturbed...that's not altogether a bad thing or a bad term or a bad
feeling to have, sheryl.  it's good that you support her.

i'm disturbed, and i gotta do something.  so, i'm signing off the list to get
something done.  "caramia" has inspired me to do this.  hearing the coyotes in
my backyard (not a dead milkman song) has inspired me.  talking with some of
y'all has inspired me.  the news of late has inspired me.

-chee

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 16:03:51 edt
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ok, it's like this......i'm in the process of re-building my website and on my
opening page i'm going to use pictures instead of text for the links to my
other pages.  i am adding a new page on rock-n-roll music and this is where
i'm having the problem.  i need an image that is rock-n-roll.    i'm looking
for an image that when looked at the first thing that comes to ones mind is r-
n-r music.   i thought this would be an easy image to find but boy was i
wrong!   another thing that makes it hard to find is the size.  it has to be
no bigger than 3 1/2 in. wide and 2 1/4 in. high.  i can possibly use
smaller/larger images and enlarge/reduce them, but i don't want them so
small/large that enlargement/reduction would distort the picture to much.
i'm looking for any idea's or thought's.   i know there are some very artisic
ppl on the list too.  if you have a drawing or create one that could work on
my page, i'll consider it.   and if i use a drawing from someone here,  your
name will grace my opening page for the world to see.
so if anyone has any idea's e-mail me privately.   i don't want to waste
anymore b/w on this subject.

thanks ya'll,

lynn   :-)   <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 20:28:26 -0400
reply-to:     j k <jamik@juno.com>
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hey all.
anyone know the name of gail ann dorsey's new song?
she played it at the minneapolis show.
thanks.
jami

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 20:33:26 -0400
reply-to:     j k <jamik@juno.com>
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who has the following boots?

univ. of delaware  10-97
appel farms  6-98
lilith shows  camden, nj  &  holmdel, nj   7-98
utica, ny   11-97
philadelphia sst  9-98

lots to trade.  thanks.
jami

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 19:40:09 -0700
reply-to:     java solis <worldfalls@earthlink.net>
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hey all,
wendy bucklew is playing in ojai, ca on oct. 24th.  the concert is going to
be taped for a  pbs show called cd highway.....so, y'all should go and
support wendy.  if anyone wants a ride, let me know, 'cause emily, michal,
and i are planning to drive up there.

also, phranc is playing tomorrow at the virgin megastore on sunset. (for
free, i think).  if anyone wants to come along, email me.
java

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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 22:18:11 -0700
reply-to:     ig pirate <igpirate@yahoo.com>
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from:         ig pirate <igpirate@yahoo.com>
subject:      nigc: looking for j&t
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hey j&t.  i just tried replying to your message but your email address
is invalid.  please email me your addy.  erin :)


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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 23:15:00 pdt
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i can't find pj battle.  i don't remember her address. i don't even
remember if i ever thanked her to begin with.  uggg.  where's my drugs?
;) (*kidding* bar, don't have  a coronary).

so i'll just tell everybody:
pj is my snugglebumpkin.
jean!  jean in da box!

oh la dee dah dooo,
i've got some 2 foot flame;
do you? ;)

this highly incoherent email brought to you by:
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date:         sat, 10 oct 1998 23:35:26 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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subject:      attn: all sst booters
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hey guys--
you know what? a thought just happened to permeate my mop of hair to get
into my head...

we trade ig boots on this list because the girls don't have a problem
with fans recording and trading their shows.

however, the sst boots are not just ig boots.  they're gail ann
dorsey-lisa germano-lourdes perez-kate schellenbach-jane siberry-ig-jean
smith-josephine wiggs-my wife (thalia) boots.

do we have all of these musicians' permission to distribute bootleg
recordings of *their* performances?

(now you're getting the same vaguely uncomfy feeling i've got.)

i suggest we, the booters and would-be distributors, start contacting
some record labels and artists.  before we tree anything.

would all the booters please email me so that i can set up an email list
so that we can discuss this?

thanks much,
jill

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ok...so i've heard of the plans that oberlin college and univ. of cincinatti
have to do for coming out day...but does anyone know of what osu plans to do?
i haven't heard anything and i'm kinda perturbed. so if anyone out there goes
to osu or has heard of the plans...i'd really appreciate it if you'd email
me..:) thanks!
peace & music,
jenn

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 00:21:13 pdt
reply-to:     debi singer <debi666@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         debi singer <debi666@hotmail.com>
subject:      hi again!
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hi again to all my friends on the list, i know some of you dont like me,
but newayz i wanted to say hi.  i am back on the list until i get caught
by my mom again.  she said i couldnt have any computer privileges but i
told her a thing or two! i smacked her with a hammer upside the head and
she won't  be awake for hours...she's a bitch anyway.  besides, i was
trying to figgure out what ot do about her when the devil came in loud
and clear.  he said to get rid of her and my problems would be over.  so
i tried, but i'm pretty sure she is going to wake up.. but that's okay.
i'll deal with her later.  newayz, i wanted to say hi to you all again
b4 the cops cart me off to jail.  it's good to be back on the list!

bye!
debs


p.s.  karen r.---  do i still owe you a tape????
      let me know & i'll send it right away ( before i go to jail!)

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 00:51:30 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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subject:      good ol' debi's back again!
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well hey debi, so good to see you're back.

>my mom... said i couldnt have any computer privileges...
>...i smacked her with a hammer upside the head...
>she won't be awake for hours...she's a bitch anyway.
>i was trying to figgure out what ot do about her... the devil... said
>to get rid of her and my problems would be over.

[for future reference (once you're out of jail), you might want to hook
up with my ex g/f.  you two can go snort various powders and carve each
other's arms up together!  here ya go: shannon, age 18???,  mental age
12, madame_spider@yahoo.com .  i'm sure you guys are on the same level.]

just a quick little note to the darling whiny listee(s) who wrote to me
to tell me *what* a "meanie" i was being to "poor debi" (and no i don't
even remember who you are):

allow me one small moment of self-righteousness.  thanks.

i told you she's faker than cheezwhiz.
and you actually flamed me for it?!?!

i didn't know people were being born that gullible.  must be some mutant
genetic strain.

jill

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 02:39:49 pdt
reply-to:     brenda keely <brenda_keely@hotmail.com>
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subject:      re: hi again!
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debi666 writes:


>hi again to all my friends on the list, i know some of you dont like
me,
>but newayz i wanted to say hi.  i am back on the list until i get
caught
>by my mom again.  she said i couldnt have any computer privileges but i
>told her a thing or two! i smacked her with a hammer upside the head
and
>she won't  be awake for hours...she's a bitch anyway.  besides, i was
>trying to figgure out what ot do about her when the devil came in loud
>and clear.  he said to get rid of her and my problems would be over.
so
>i tried, but i'm pretty sure she is going to wake up.. but that's okay.
>i'll deal with her later.  newayz, i wanted to say hi to you all again
>b4 the cops cart me off to jail.  it's good to be back on the list!

are you freaking insane or what?!? someone needs to smak you upside the
head with a hammer. now i know you didn't really do that, and you're a
big fat fake, but you still need to be smaked.

bren

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 10:52:40 edt
reply-to:     vrae111@aol.com
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from:         ginny lerch <vrae111@aol.com>
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how to make friends: by debi666 (and yes, 666 is my lucky number)

1)  start off by introducing yourself-
>hi again to all my friends on the list, i know some of you dont likeme,but
newayz i wanted to say hi>
        it is important that you remind everyone why they hate you, this is made
easier by elongating sentences into paragraphs and spelling words in a
*satanic* manner.  and, hey, satan loves you.

2)  tell the nice people why you are here-
>i am back on the list until i get
>caught by my mom again.  she said i couldnt have any computer privileges but
>i told her a thing or two! i smacked her with a hammer upside the headand
>she won't  be awake for hours...she's a bitch anyway.
        at this stage, it is critical to try to draw the people in.  show some
compassion, and state your reason for writing.  violence is the answer.  be
sure to add this into any tale that you happen to make up, and remember-satan
loves you.

3)   keep talking your jazzy jazz (everyone likes it.)
> i was trying to figgure out what ot do about her when the devil came in loud
>and clear.  he said to get rid of her and my problems would be over.
        you now have everyone's attention.  tell them something interesting about
yourself.  and, keep in mind- satan loves *you*.
*****now is the time to check for comprehension...if you can understand what
you wrote-   start over.******
4)  the conclusion -
>newayz, i wanted to say hi to you all again
>b4 the cops cart me off to jail.  it's good to be back on the list!
        be sure to repeat your reason for writing.  make it apparent that your reason
for writing, such as- to say "hi", was a pretense. clearly show that you
really are a nice person.  don't forget...satan is the *man*.

i just thought i would help some of you peoples with your friend-making
skills.  i know some of you don't like me, but newayz, you're  meanies.  oh
well.  i hear marlyn calling...satanic days and hellish nights to all you
peoples.


(sorry to anyone who *likes* deb.  she is making mockery out of 15 year olds
everywhere.  i would tell her to go to hell, but, hey!  that would be nice.)

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 10:49:08 -0700
reply-to:     melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
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from:         melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
subject:      nigr  i need to update my internet explorer
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i thought i had the problem handled last nigh, but turns out that my
program doesn't like that one. i need to know how to update my internet
explorer to 4.0? i also need to know where i go to download it as well.
missy

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 11:10:00 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: hi again!
x-to:         ginny lerch <vrae111@aol.com>
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jesus fucking christ can you stop that shit already read the list no
flames


on sun, 11 oct 1998, ginny lerch wrote:

> how to make friends: by debi666 (and yes, 666 is my lucky number)
>
> 1)  start off by introducing yourself-
> >hi again to all my friends on the list, i know some of you dont likeme,but
> newayz i wanted to say hi>
>         it is important that you remind everyone why they hate you, this is made
> easier by elongating sentences into paragraphs and spelling words in a
> *satanic* manner.  and, hey, satan loves you.
>
> 2)  tell the nice people why you are here-
> >i am back on the list until i get
> >caught by my mom again.  she said i couldnt have any computer privileges but
> >i told her a thing or two! i smacked her with a hammer upside the headand
> >she won't  be awake for hours...she's a bitch anyway.
>         at this stage, it is critical to try to draw the people in.  show some
> compassion, and state your reason for writing.  violence is the answer.  be
> sure to add this into any tale that you happen to make up, and remember-satan
> loves you.
>
> 3)   keep talking your jazzy jazz (everyone likes it.)
> > i was trying to figgure out what ot do about her when the devil came in loud
> >and clear.  he said to get rid of her and my problems would be over.
>         you now have everyone's attention.  tell them something interesting about
> yourself.  and, keep in mind- satan loves *you*.
> *****now is the time to check for comprehension...if you can understand what
> you wrote-   start over.******
> 4)  the conclusion -
> >newayz, i wanted to say hi to you all again
> >b4 the cops cart me off to jail.  it's good to be back on the list!
>         be sure to repeat your reason for writing.  make it apparent that your reason
> for writing, such as- to say "hi", was a pretense. clearly show that you
> really are a nice person.  don't forget...satan is the *man*.
>
> i just thought i would help some of you peoples with your friend-making
> skills..  i know some of you don't like me, but newayz, you're  meanies.  oh
> well.  i hear marlyn calling...satanic days and hellish nights to all you
> peoples.
>
>
> (sorry to anyone who *likes* deb.  she is making mockery out of 15 year olds
> everywhere.  i would tell her to go to hell, but, hey!  that would be nice.)
>
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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 11:11:44 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: nigr  i need to update my internet explorer
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melissa go here
http://www.microsoft.com/ie/ie40/download/cdf/iechannl.htm

on sun, 11 oct 1998, melissa singhaus wrote:

> i thought i had the problem handled last nigh, but turns out that my
> program doesn't like that one. i need to know how to update my internet
> explorer to 4.0? i also need to know where i go to download it as well.
> missy
>
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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 11:14:47 -0600
reply-to:     analog kid <dragonjen@spydee.net>
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from:         analog kid <dragonjen@spydee.net>
subject:      re: hi again!
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i'd like to step in momentarily and remind everyone of 2 things:
1) we all know that the best way to deal with an annoying person on the list
is to *ignore* them.  the debi666 person is here for attention.  don't
provide it and s/he will go away.

2) while debi666 is undoubtedly *not* a 15-yr-old, there are some teenagers
(and younger) on the list.  there are also people on the list who are
offended by profanity.  so i'm sure those people would greatly appreciate it
if we would all watch our language.

~~jennifer
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
too many hands on my time, too many feelings
too many things on my mind
when i leave i don't know what i'm hoping to find
when i leave i don't know what i'm leaving behind...
  ~~neil peart
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
-----original message-----
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to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
date: sunday, october 11, 1998 9:16 am
subject: re: hi again!


>jesus <profanity deleted> christ can you stop that <profanity deleted>
already read the list no
>flames

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 11:46:25 edt
reply-to:     chance0631@aol.com
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is it possible we could make the list stand for love of indigo girls songs and
teachings instead of lots of insults, stabs, and tactlessness?   just a
thought, no finger pointing!
lynn
(if you are upset with this post, please email me privately)

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 09:22:52 -0700
reply-to:     luna mook tick <luna-tick@home.com>
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from:         luna mook tick <luna-tick@home.com>
subject:      nigc: shwan mullins
x-to:         "emily d. mark" <emark@scf-fs.usc.edu>
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shawn mullins is about to on cnn, if anyone wants to watch!

hugs and hershey kisses~
lun

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 12:35:46 -0400
reply-to:     barb and twink <bf2brland@sprintmail.com>
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organization: we dig ig
subject:      twink's music page updated!
x-to:         cooper seay list <cooper@onelist.com>,
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hey ya'll!

just finished updating some stuff on my web site!  i've added a page for
cory sipper (if you don't know who she is... i suggest you check it
out!).  and, i've added a link at the bottom of my ellen james society
page that links to a cooper comic (note:  you must be a cooper fan to
appreciate this comic)!

check it out!

http://www.geocities.com/heartland/woods/9711/twink1.html

later,
twink!
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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 13:39:03 -0400
reply-to:     chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      web site for tape thingies
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hey everybody-

i know this is like the b'zillionth time this question has been asked, but
where is that website where you can download that program that makes cool
tape inserts?

please please please respond privately!

thanks,
chris ii

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 13:55:05 -0400
reply-to:     tami damron <txosbo01@morehead-st.edu>
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from:         tami damron <txosbo01@morehead-st.edu>
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i was just watching a rerun of party of five (which i have never watched
before), when what do i hear playing in the background but mystery.
wow!  i may have to start watching this show now.

also, the other day i was in jcpenney and they were playing an
instrumental version of least complicated on the store radio.

tami

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 12:01:57 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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from:         recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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jesus, can you stop that already, read the faq; no *swearing*

>jesus fucking christ can you stop that shit already read the list no
>flames
>
>
>on sun, 11 oct 1998, ginny lerch wrote:
>
>> how to make friends: by debi666...

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 15:15:38 edt
reply-to:     tahmehawk@aol.com
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from:         lynn van fossen <tahmehawk@aol.com>
subject:      re: i need your idea's   nigc
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a few of you have passed on your idea's and i find it interesting that
everyone had basically the same image in mind, including myself.   the image
of a line of guitars or a pic of melissa etheridge jammin' on her guitar seems
to bring to mind r-n-r.  so what i was thinking of doing is merging those two
images together.   but....i don't know how to do it.  that's something i
haven't learned yet.   on top of that, i don't have either of those pictures
in my files, nor can i seem to find them anywhere.   the size i need makes
that even harder  (approx. 3 1/2 in. wide & 2 1/4 in. high).   what this is
coming down to is can anyone help me figure out how to create this image or
could one of you artisic ppl create one for me?   i will give credit on my
opening page to anyone that creates a cool drawing or image.     can anyone
help me?

p.s.   the pic of melissa i have in mind is the silhoutted image of her
playing and craddling her guitar with her hair falling over her forward.

lynn   :-)     <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">
tahmehawk's place</a>    <-------sorry for using b/w on this subject, but i
need help!

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 16:11:04 edt
reply-to:     galileolin@aol.com
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hey everybody.  i just wanted to share that ellen's coming out episode will be
on on tuesday at 6:00 pm on lifetime.  sorry for the nigc, but thought some of
you might wanna watch it.  =)=)


                        ---lindy =)

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 16:37:19 -0600
reply-to:     "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
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from:         "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
subject:      ig in a magazine
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okay, there's an article written by winona laduke with a little interview
type thing with emily and amy in "indigenous woman" on the back of the mag
is a big ol' picture of ig on the honor the earth tour. if anyone wants a
copy and cannot get one in their area, i can get ahold of two more copies.
if you want me to do this, email me privately and then you'll have to send
4.00 for the mag (pricey, huh?) and a sase.

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 17:23:00 -0600
reply-to:     the lost indigo girl <4li6wemberc@vmsb.csd.mu.edu>
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subject:      looking for ig stereotypes...
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hey everyone!!!***
i am doing a project at marquette university in milwaukee, wi on the
indigo girls and i need stereotypes. whether their on the web or straight
out of your own minds, i'd love to hear them!!!
thanks a ton!
indigo hugs...
katy :)

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 15:48:02 pdt
reply-to:     pretty silver girl <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
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from:         pretty silver girl <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
subject:      nigc: relationship ??
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ok ya'll my girlfriend has gone psycho. i'm talking with someone online
(email only) who is sort of like a musical influence to me, and we've
mailed each other only like 4 or 5 times, and my girlfriend is going
psycho saying that she is going to fall for me and stuff..i don't even
know if she's gay but that's not the point. i like this person's music
and that's it and it upsets me that sara is over here going "oh she's
going to fall for you" :p

*sigh*
what can i do to convince her?

*hugs*

lamia


"my feelings about men are very different than they were because i don't
need to drink their blood like i used to."

"this song is for a girl i fought with, wherever she is, well, i know
where she is and if i were a guy i'd be fucking inside her right now."
--tori amos (bells for her:tulsa, ok plugged '98)

http://members.tripod.com/~squeekyfromme/enter.html


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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 18:55:33 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      re: hi again!
x-to:         recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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ive read the faq im one person doing this one time instead of having to
hear al about this satanic and how this isnt a 15 yr old ad nasuem id idnt
say i didnt break the faq rules did i i did it to prove a point

on sun, 11 oct 1998, recidivist spice wrote:

>
> jesus, can you stop that already, read the faq; no *swearing*
>
> >jesus fucking christ can you stop that shit already read the list no
> >flames
> >
> >
> >on sun, 11 oct 1998, ginny lerch wrote:
> >
> >> how to make friends: by debi666...
>
> ______________________________________________________
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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 18:51:24 -0600
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i have no more copies left. sorry! if i find more, i'll post again.

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 17:21:38 pdt
reply-to:     pied piper <amethyst24_2@hotmail.com>
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hey everyone,

my friend who goes to university of miami was telling me about a woman
playing the guitar and singing on campus, and she sang closer to fine,
romiet and juliet, and joking, among others! is anyone on this list from
that area? i have no idea what her name is but my friend said she was
covering ani songs too. anyway, the thought of running into someone
playing romeo and juliet on my campus made me smile =)

hope you all are having great weekends,
(and happy coming out day!)

mollie

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 20:51:34 -0400
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subject:      nigc: satyn
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on sun, 11 oct 1998, ginny lerch wrote:

> don't forget...satan is the *man*.

   some people on this list might find that disturbing and inaccurate.
after all, who are you to presume that satan is male?  i mean, hell hath
no fury like a woman scorned, right?  so it might be safe to assume...

   aw, heck - maybe we should change the spelling to satyn.  :)

   darius

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 21:12:02 -0400
reply-to:     karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
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you guys are making me sick with this satan sh!t. i'm not ramming my
christianity down your throats, please, stop.  i don't even like his name on
my computer screen.

love karen

nighthawk wrote:

> on sun, 11 oct 1998, ginny lerch wrote:
>
> > don't forget...satan is the *man*.
>
>    some people on this list might find that disturbing and inaccurate.
> after all, who are you to presume that satan is male?  i mean, hell hath
> no fury like a woman scorned, right?  so it might be safe to assume...
>
>    aw, heck - maybe we should change the spelling to satyn.  :)
>
>    darius

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 11:18:31 +1000
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folks,

do we really need to do this?  if you see something on
the list that bothers you, just ignore it.  or if you
want to flame, do it by private mail.  or if you want
to gloat about how "you knew it all along"... don't.

if you don't think a subject is appropriate for the
list, dragging it out by responding, no matter what
the flavour of your response, won't help.

-sherlyn
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"when they make the movie of my life,
  i hope they get somebody famous to direct it..."   - susan werner

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 20:37:08 -0600
reply-to:     "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
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i just want to tell you all that i really love the community we've
established here. yes, there are some people who do not get along with some
others but over all you are the sweetest, most open group of people it's
ever been my pleasure to deal with. in regard to my post earlier totally
nigc post, i got soooo many wonderful responses i can't beleive it.
here's the igc part: if amy and emily had a good idea of what actually goes
on on this list, the sharing of talents(compilation tape), the sharing of
experiences (my post among others), the way everyone tries to do things
according to amy and emily's wants, they would have no choice but to love
this list as much as i do. i make no apologies for my sappiness.

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 18:47:43 pdt
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this i thought is funny and i think that some might like it. i hope you
all like it.

emilio


                10 questions most commonly asked of
                    lesbians and the answers you'll never hear..

1. what exactly, do two women do together? (usually asked by a
   woman)
a. it takes too long to explain. a lesbian quickie lasts hours. we
   lay there and discuss politics until we figure it out. but if you
   like i'll show you. how about this evening at six?

2. which one of you is the man? (usually asked by a man)
a. we're lesbian, not confused. look it up!

3. what do your parents think about it?
a. they weren't exactly tickled lavender

4. do you face any discrimination because you're -- "that way"?
a. none. the lesbian movement is a bodily function that involves
   the expulsion of our reproductive organs

5. why are you a lesbian?
a. let me show you a picture of my girlfriend

6. did anything in your childhood affect your choice?
a. definitely. there was a cute little redhead in my nursery school
   that i used to take naps with...

7. why do you have to tell everyone?
a. i have a p.c. quota to meet

8. is one of you "butch" and the other "femme"?
a. yes, but we trade off every time we roll over

9. do you plan to have children?
a. we're trying! (wink-wink, nudge-nudge, know what i mean, know
   what i mean!)

10. but wouldn't you want your children to be straight?
a. and miss the opportunity to be interrogated by the next
   generation of psych majors?

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 22:28:44 edt
reply-to:     emistar919@aol.com
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from:         emily kropp <emistar919@aol.com>
subject:      cta and random stuff...little igc
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alright, this is really really random, but i just thought there might be an
overlaping of interest here......is anybody on this list going to the call to
action conference in miluakee oct. 30-31?
i'm going w/ my mom and sister, and if you're there you'll notice me, i'll be
one of the 9 or so folks under the age of thirty :)

also - does anybody have music reccomendations (non - ig) that they would like
to pass on.....kind of not the chick- w\-a guitar-type-thing?

also - if anyone has any college reccomendations in the midwest for a student
around 3.5 & 1400 sats.....get back to me.

and one more thing.....what' do y'all think of hey kind friend.....any
thoughts on what it's about?

sorry for all the nigc!
emily :)

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date:         mon, 11 oct 1999 22:37:49 -0400
reply-to:     * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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i want to get in touch with nancy hamilton....   nancy are
you out there????  if anyone knows her correct email addy or
how i can get in touch with her, i would greatly appreciate
any help you can offer....   thank you very smuch!!!  luv,
bar


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if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 23:45:07 -0400
reply-to:     kim <kporcaro@usit.net>
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ok...i could be wrong but im pretty sure that it originated because a while
back, san fransisco pride theme for 1978 was "somewhere over the rainbow" in
honor of judy garland, and they made a huge flag in the colors of the rainbow
and it stuck....it is now registered as an official flag...it has come to be
used to symbolize (all the colors) the diversity within our community) etc
etc....i guess thats all i know...i used to think the inidvidual colors
represented different things though...i know it was designed by gilbert
baker.....i hope that helps

kim


melissa singhaus wrote:

> i was wondering if anyone knows what the colors stand for in the flag and
> when and where it originated from? as so as possible can i get the answer.
> i want to update my web page and use the facts. missy
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you know, when i'm listening to ig music because i need their healing power.
i feel amy's passionate guitar arms around me, holding me and i feel emily's
gentle eyes looking at me while she delivers that kind smile.  but here on the
list, don't get me wrong the list is the best thing that's happened to me on
the internet, i feel somewhat dehumanized.
is it because face to face human interaction sparks?  is it because eye
contact makes the fuel of self suddenly relevant?  or, is it just me?

lynn

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for those interested, the complete story of the rainbow flag can be found
here: http://www.imrl.com/rainglaf.htm

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 00:17:02 -0400
reply-to:     indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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from:         indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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hey y'all!

i am back from colorado.  it was fun.  l'sly, sorry, i didn't get your
message until after i reterned home.

so i unsubscribed from the list while i was away because my server can't
handle all the mail.  i was wondering if you have been discussing the
beating of matthew shephard, the university of wyoming student...

the reason i am posting is because i was in ft. collins, the city where he
was hospitalized.  i felt so terrible and so helpless that i couldn't do
anything.  the story was front page news everyday while i was out there.
it is just so tragic and so inhumane.  it is rare that i cry at the news
or anything like that; this story brought tears to my eyes.

but my mom had a good point:  at least people are talking (like the media
and the general public) about gay rights.  it is too bad and so tragic
that it took something as horrific as this to get the dialogue started,
though.  but people really started talking (i mean the general public
here, again) about the civil rights movement when medgar evers was shot.

of course nothing is going to minimalize this tragedy.  matthew shephard's
life (if he lives, which is doubtful) will never be the same.  and now the
girlfriend of one of the accused is saying it wasn't a hate
crime...whatever.  but at least the media and the general public are
talking about gay rights and agreeing that what happened was wrong, sick,
and completely unnecessary...

so did y'all discuss this at all?

love,
karen :-)

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in a message dated 10/10/98 11:20:15 pm pacific daylight time,
jillyc@hotmail.com writes:

<< this highly incoherent email brought to you by:
jilly >>

whatever wonderfully exotic drugs that girl is on

i want some!!!!

dawn

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hey y'all.  here's a strange and wonderful request.  in honor of coming out
day, does anybody have the post from a few days or so ago where somebody--i
can't for the life of me remember who--was poking fun of how the religious
right insists on believing that gays and lesbians are always recruiting.  you
know, the one where there was a group of us holding crosses upside down over
their head chanting "recruit, recruit."  i loved it, but just realized that i
deleted it by accident like an idiot.  if you have it, please send it to me.

oh, by the way, i'm gay!  just thought y'all might want to know :)

dawn

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 01:12:18 -0400
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.....happy ncod....im gay too!!

dawn m. kivisto wrote:

>  oh, by the way, i'm gay!  just thought y'all might want to know :)
>
> dawn
>

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 01:10:13 edt
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i was just reading about the origination of the rainbow flag and they said
that in the original 8-stripe flag, indigo meant harmony... and boy do our
girls certainly have that!  isn't that an interesting coincidence... : )
--kate

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 01:11:05 edt
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howdy to all...

i have about 12 issues of a local atlanta magazine that featured shawn
mullins.  it also carries an article on the chiapas benefit with some great
pics of the girls.  i'd be glad to send one out those first to respond.  all
that is required is a s a s e.  i'll send my addy to all who respond until i'm
out.

alrighty then, back to the shadows....

f26

check out stereo popsicle
www.stereopopsicle.com
and
check out halcyon
www.halcyonmusic.com

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 07:17:29 +0800
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ahem!!!!

sorry to be the wet blanket here, but i would like to point out to everyone
on the list, and *especially* to the ones involved in this lively discussion
about debi that it's turning into an all-out flamewar.

debi must be laughing her ass off seeing how much of an impact she'd made.

just wanted to point that out. you can go back to your flaming now,
people.....

sincerely,
ian c.
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please forgive this post...i couldn't think of a better place to post this and
i'm going crazy or i'm already there!
wanted:  kind, passionate, lesbian to sit close to me and hold my hand while
we swoon over the gentle music of the ig.  this particular woman must have
become addicted to the girls after her first taste.

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from:         lynn van fossen <tahmehawk@aol.com>
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for those interested, on my site (the lesbian page) of  there are a few links
to the history of the symbols representing the g/l/b/t communities.
<a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's place</a>

btw, someone posted that the original pride flag had 8 colors and one of the
colors was indigo, that is true.   at the gay parade in sf this past july,
gilbert baker (the flags creator) and a huge 8 colored flag was in the parade.
later in the day,  the flag was flown over market st.   it was an awesome
sight.

lynn   :-)

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>if amy and emily had a good idea of what actually goes
>on on this list, the sharing of talents(compilation tape)...

speaking of sharing talents... who's got some skill they wanna send my
way?  i want to contribute rose polenzani's song "olga's birthday"
(amongst other random stuff) for the comp tape, but, ack, i don't know
how to play guitar, nor am i even fortunate enough to possess one.
if someone has learned this song, would there be any way you could
record yourself playing just the guitar part, and send it to me so that
i could sing along with it?  kind of a long-shot, i know...

jill

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date:         sun, 11 oct 1998 23:54:49 -0700
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does anyone know where i can find a good picture of amy's hand tattoo?
thanks!

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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kim wrote:

> .....happy ncod....im gay too!!
>
> dawn m. kivisto wrote:
>
> >  oh, by the way, i'm gay!

hate to jump on the me too band wagon but me too!

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>debi must be laughing her ass off seeing how much of an impact she'd
made.
>
actually, no, she's not....

we won't be hearing from debs for a little while...

trust me.  i know these things. ;)

jill yr psychic friend

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so, does anybody know "who" amy seems to be talking to or about in this
song....don't you write it down...remember this in your head....don't take a
picture...remember this in your heart...........

just curious...
kara....the highly caffeinated...

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oh my f***ing god.  this is that student in wyoming that karen was
talking about...
so this a$$'s girlfriend is on abc news, and she tells the interviewer
that it *wasn't* a gay-motivated beating... her poor boyfriend was just
so upset (i believe "sickened and embarrassed" were her actual words)
that a guy flirted with him, something "just snapped" and he went off
and beat him with the butt of a gun...
well, actually, he and his friend lured the gay guy out of the bar (?),
drove off with him in their car, and attacked him, then *tied* him to a
*fence* like a f***ing *scarecrow*, and beat him some more.  i believe
they took his clothes and wallet as well, and left him there, bloody and
unconscious, hanging to the fence (why does this sound like a damn
crucifixion?), in 30-degree temperatures for hours (nobody noticed him,
because they thought he really was a scarecrow).  now he's in the
hospital, his condition is worsening, and two punks are facing
manslaughter charges.  oh, but remember, this wasn't because the guy was
*gay*.  no, not at all.

jesus lord help this country

jill


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>from: kara runge <rungek@aol.com>

>so, does anybody know "who" amy seems to be talking to or about in this
>song....don't you write it down...remember this in your head....don't take
a
>picture...remember this in your heart...........

amy said in some interview if i'm remembering correctly that the song was,
at least in part, written to her parents and that she was saying that even
though there were times when things were happening with her that she
couldn't tell them about that she still wanted to let them know she was ok.
that's why she had her dad sing backup on that song.

does anybody have an old article they can quote directly?

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hi.
me thinks (as if i am jilly) that amy is talking, in deadman's hill, to
herself when posing the advice to don't write it down, don't take pictures,
etc.
fendersac

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gay student dies from beating

fort collins, colo. (ap) -- a gay university of wyoming student who was
pistol-whipped and lashed to a fence post in an attack denounced nationwide as
a hate crime died from his injuries, hospital officials said early today.
matthew shepard died while on full life support, a spokesman said. shepard had
been in a coma since bicyclists found him tethered to the post in near-
freezing temperatures outside laramie, wyo., on wednesday. before shepard's
death two men had been charged with attempted murder, kidnapping and
aggravated robbery. gay rights groups and others assailed the beating and
called on wyoming legislators to adopt laws to deter crimes against
homosexuals.

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hey..

so i've got this melissa etheridge promo at home for "all-american girl"
that i picked up many moons ago.  i'm attempting to weed out my cd
collection a bit (i don't want to have to buy another storage rack just
yet) and i was thinking i would offer it here.  the cd has been listened
to once but the case shows some wear and tear from moving several times.
all it has is that song, album cut, so it's not a rare performance.

i'll do a lottery so anyone who might want it can just e-mail me by
11 p.m. est wed. night.  it will cost you nothing--i'll pick up postage.
:)

kelly, who posts with a heavy heart this morning after hearing about
matthew shepard (sp?)

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hi... my name is katy and... i'm gay too!

in a message dated 10/11/98 10:11:34 pm pacific daylight time,
kporcaro@usit.net writes:

<< .....happy ncod....im gay too!!

dawn m. kivisto wrote:

>  oh, by the way, i'm gay!  just thought y'all might want to know :)
>
> dawn >>

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my heart dropped this morning when i picked up the paper and saw in the
headline about the death of that young gay man who was beaten in
wyoming.  sad, senseless . . . . very, very disturbing, but ironically
sad too, given  that this happened during a week when declaring and
embracing your gayness was being celebrated.

on a ig note, i've listened to amy's soc during her performance of
scooter boys at the newport folk festival this past august, and
transcribed it as best i could.  can someone fill in the gaps, or
correct it?

elaine
+++++++++++++++++++++++++

you got ???? confessions on the wire
they're all so damaged and uninspired
by this world, so ??? the girls
??? one of the pearls
did you come out of fire or in a dream?
did you exploit all her energy?
is it the ??? syndrome
or is it the feminine mystique?
??? has starved ???
i said the pilgrims are coming
and you said the pilgrimage is due
i said the ??? of ???
will feed you on the mass discontent
so submit to be cool
'cuz it's hip to be a tool
yeah, it's a trend to be mislead
it's a ???
is it the feminine mystique?
is it the feminine mystique?
i think it's the feminine mistake
i said hey blue blood, you're nothing new
(she repeats this line 6 more times)
well, i am the bane, but so are you

then she screams something which i cannot make out

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"give them some fucking liberty"
ah, such a classic passionate amy line.
-sam

elaine bean wrote:
>
> then she screams something which i cannot make out
>

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luna mook tick wrote:

> kim wrote:
>
> > .....happy ncod....im gay too!!
> >
> > dawn m. kivisto wrote:
> >
> > >  oh, by the way, i'm gay!
>
> hate to jump on the me too band wagon but me too!
>
> hugs and hershey kisses~
> luna
>

hmm, lol, it's not ncod anymore and...i should go read the faq, right?
...hate to further the whole lesbian-indigo girls stereotype, but .....
"yep, i'm gay" too (:

i requested closer to fine yesterday on my college radio station and
dedicated it to everyone who came out...

-melissa w

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just a brief note to let y'all know (for those of you who didn't hear it
in the news) that matthew shephard has died.  :(  my emotions are very
mixed now...i mean, there is no reason that boy should have died, but on
the other hand, if he would have lived, he would have probably been
(according to a news reporter in colorado) brain dead for the rest of his
life...

i am going to say a little something about this tragedy today on my radio
show...

karen

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the difference between spice girls and indigo girls with all due respect
for the human beings they are beyond their public image, heres my top
ten:

10) sg-british accents. ig-southern accents
9) sg-catchy monikers. ig-normal names
8) sg-laughing all the way to the bank. ig-laughing at the bank
7) sg-popular and cool. ig-political and never were cool
6) ig-grew up together. sg-still growing up
5)ig-invite audience to laugh with then. sg-invite audiences to laugh at
them
4) sg-play spicy characters. ig-play instruments
3) sg-happy. ig-gay
2) sg-make money on their own tours. ig-make tours on their own money
1) ig-wanna get out of bed and get a hammer and a nail. sg-wanna get
hammered and nailed in bed
bonus) sg-really really wanna zigazig ah. ig-lalala, nanananananana

posted to the epic bbs by denise in honolulu.

made me laugh so hard, i just had to share.  :)

-tara

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red=light
orange=healing
yellow=sun
green=serenity
blue=art
purple=spirit

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okay, so i've kept quiet about the beating in wyoming. what else was
there to say-tragedy. but now it comes to a very critical point. this
case has the potential to set an unheard of precedent in this country.
man slaughter is bull $hit...this is at the very least murder in the
second degree. it's malevolent intent and subsequent lack of remorse
speak volumes. good lord, i thought we had evolved a little further-it
is a travesty. it's now our job to see justice done. without justice,
there can be no peace. the girls are role models for us because of their
strength to stand and ability to make a difference-it's time for us to
be role models. email your state congress-people..my thoughts and
prayers are with the boy's family...

-lyndsay

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on mon, 12 oct 1998 09:42:25 pdt, lyndsay agans <eccemus@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>okay, so i've kept quiet about the beating in wyoming. what else was
>there to say-tragedy. but now it comes to a very critical point. this
>case has the potential to set an unheard of precedent in this country.
>man slaughter is bull $hit...this is at the very least murder in the
>second degree.

the last report i saw, from reuters:
"police following the attack lodged attempted first-degree murder
charges against the two men and said the charges could be upgraded."

now we need to make sure that every state has a hate crimes law that
-includes- gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered persons.

cyndi


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as if redemption was in sight ~ as if the search to live honestly
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>the last report i saw, from reuters:
"police following the attack lodged attempted first-degree murder
charges against the two men and said the charges could be upgraded."

now we need to make sure that every state has a hate crimes law that
-includes- gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered persons.

>cyndi


encouraging to hear charges are possibly being upped to first
degree...however, i don't exactly promote the death penalty. the
punishment should be severe-but advocacy of capital punishment seems
hypocritical at best. it will hopefully force us as a nation to examine
hate crimes and our apathy towards them.

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on mon, 12 oct 1998 10:51:06 pdt, lyndsay agans <eccemus@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>encouraging to hear charges are possibly being upped to first
>degree...however, i don't exactly promote the death penalty. the
>punishment should be severe-but advocacy of capital punishment seems
>hypocritical at best.

well, i'm currently moderator for glb-news and -press, and i've read
several dozen posts about this situation in the last few days.  i
don't recall seeing anyone in the activist community calling for the
death penalty, tho i don't doubt that somewhere, someone might be.  i
don't understand how it's a relevant issue right now tho.

cyndi, anti-death penalty, but that's another discussion

"my heart is moved by all i cannot save, so much
has been lost.... so much has been destroyed.
i must cast my lot with those who, age after age,
perversely, with no extraordinary power....
reconstitute the world."
                                  adrienne rich

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"the mississippi's mighty but it starts in minnesota at a place where
you could walk across with five steps down..."

my friend marjorie spent the summer at a camp in minnesota and she
showed me a postcard of the mississippi headwaters at itasca state park
in minnesota where you can walk across in five steps.  she said it was
in some indigo girls song...

i never realized the relevance of this line in the song until i saw the
picture.  it is amazing how something so big and powerful can start so
small.  i would love to just walk across the mississippi river and just
say 'ha'.  maybe some day...

erica

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 14:40:47 edt
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hey... ok guys... this is weird... i'm gay too. this is the first time i have
actually ever told a whole group of people at once... other than the
occasional person i met online... ok, um, yeah.
~alyssa

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 12:44:40 -0600
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subject:      re: uwyo student nigc
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sorry this isn't ig related, but you guys (and gals) are the only place i
can think of to get this info (and the biggest group i can reach with the
smallest effort). does anyone have an address where someone could send the
family a card or something? or a suggestion as to what else someone (or
some people) could do to help? our g/l/b/t org. on campus wants to do
something.

please reply/flame etc. privately so as not to clog up the list.

amy m.

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 11:32:04 -0700
reply-to:     lori ann <liltree@yahoo.com>
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---jill wrote:

> so this a$$'s girlfriend is on abc news, and she tells the interviewer
> that it *wasn't* a gay-motivated beating... her poor boyfriend was
just
> so upset (i believe "sickened and embarrassed" were her actual words)
> that a guy flirted with him, something "just snapped" and he went off
> and beat him with the butt of a gun...

and if he uses that as his defense, he'll probably get off with only
probation or something.  why just last week, here in hawaii (where
yes, in less than a month voters will decide if marriage should be for
opposite sex couples only) a jury gave a man who brutally beat a gay
man to death only a month or so in prison, claiming he acted in
self-defense.  never mind that this strong young man bashed in the
head of this older man with a history of heart problems so bad that
blood shot onto the curtain several feet from the bed where he was
beaten.  oh no, he was gay and came onto the other fellow, so of
course the fellow had no choice but to "protect himself".  after all,
he is a manly man, how dare this disgusting gay think he'd want to
sleep with him (even though he picked him up at a gay bar).

justice may be blind, but jurors aren't.

lori ann
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in response to the whole capital punishment issue:

the death penalty isn't a relevant issue-i was just commenting on
different legal aspects...i'm prelaw and i have a tendedency to delve
into things for the sake of discussion. though i'd rather not get into
that whole capital punishment discussion-because i think we're all
pretty allied there.

peace,
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ok, i have been quite also, still reeling from this tragedy.  the hate crime
laws should be universal. it should not matter if the person was killed for
being gay or christian or black or white. the laws should cover all aspects of
this type of crime.  of course in a perfect world we would not have to worry
about this type of thing, we could walk hand in hand with our partner down the
street and never worry about someone dragging us out to the country and
exercising their ignorance on us in the form of a beating.  i have to believe
that someday this will happen, the wave of anger that is sweeping through
humanity has to come to an end soon or else we will all be caught up in the
destruction that will follow.  also, i hope that the parents and friends of
this boy can gain some type of warmth from the growing support for hate crime
legislation that this horrible action will cause.
i would like to put out a call to everyone to send prayers and healing to his
parents and family.  myself as a reiki healer will send word through this
community here in lexington, ky to do so and i challenge everyone else to do
the same.
you know, one reason that we love the indigo girls the way that we fans do, is
because of that message that is repeated in their songs: love for the earth as
a whole.  they bring to us unity and spiritual, as well as emotional, healing.
i for one wish that we could all reach out to each other and heal ourselves
collectively.  i know this all sounds sappy and a little hippyfied, but we all
have the power to heal ourselves and others.  we only need to reach down
inside of us and share that light with the world.
peace love and light
beccie lyon
i know i am asking for a lot
but we can heal the world if we only try.

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from the denver post at http://www.denverpost.com/news/shep1012a.htm

poudre valley hospital has received thousands of e-mail messages at a site
set up for the shepard family. through shepard's stay, staff regularly
provided information about his condition on the hospital web site, which
has received heavy traffic through the weekend, stacey said.

the family is finalizing memorial plans; more information is expected
today.

people may send donations to the matthew shepard memorial fund, first
national bank, p.o. box 578, fort collins, colo., 80522, account no.
1926083. the money donated will be used for causes that shepard believed
in, his family said.

for information about shepard, visit the poudre valley hospital web site:
http://ganymede.frii.com/new/index.html; e-mail messages maybe sent to
shepard's family at mshepard@libra.pvh.org.

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on mon, 12 oct 1998 12:44:40 -0600, "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
wrote:

> does anyone have an address where someone could send the
>family a card or something? or a suggestion as to what else someone (or
>some people) could do to help?

this seems to be the most comprehensive site available right now:

comprehensive matthew shepard web site launched
up-to-date information on anti-gay hate crime at
<http://www.wiredstrategies.com/shepard.html>

you can also check http://www.ngltf.org, i'm not sure how much is
available there.

cyndi

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has been lost.... so much has been destroyed.
i must cast my lot with those who, age after age,
perversely, with no extraordinary power....
reconstitute the world."
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yes, please, take the time to write to your congress people.  the
hate crimes prevention act has been sitting in sub-committee status since
june.  it has not progressed any further.  elections are coming up, and
the senators and reps need to be encoraged to support this bill.  the
human rights campaign is getting very involved in this bill, as well as
the case in wyoming.  their web sight has lots of information and links to
get to your representatives.

www.hrc.org

-emily

on mon, 12 oct 1998, cyndi miller wrote:
now we need to make sure that every state has a hate crimes law that
> -includes- gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered persons.

> on mon, 12 oct 1998 09:42:25 pdt, lyndsay agans <eccemus@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>email your state congress-people.

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...so the girlfriend justified the beating because her boyfriend was "sickened
and embarrassed"??  i wonder if anyone in the general public would support a
straight woman beating the *&^% out of a guy (resulting in his death) because,
by flirting with her, he caused her to feel "sickened and embarrassed"??  who
decides what is an acceptable level of embarrassment?  this is absurd!!  (it's
even gone beyond being a gay issue.)

-- heidi

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hi there
sorry for the nigc, but i know there are a lot of tori fans on the list.
if there is anyone who has a copy of tori covering rem's losing my religion,
and/or a tori/michael stipe duet - please email me.
also, hootie and the blowfish doing rem's driver 8.

lori
(always looking for rem covers)

only 15 days till up!


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>date:    sun, 11 oct 1998 11:10:00 -0400
>from:    mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
>subject: re: hi again!
>
>jesus fucking christ can you stop that shit already read the list no
>flames


wow mark - that is the most comprehensible thing i've seen you write =)
maybe you should get enraged more often! =) (just teasing)
lori


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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 17:13:49 -0400
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my roommate and i were just talking about this because we are flying out
to california in january and he was saying that the last time he was
outthe pilot tilted the plane over the mississippi and i said - "you know
i'm gonna sing ig at that point" and he *being a relatively new ig fan*
was like "which song?" i resisted the urge to thwap him :)

i'll learn him :)

--audra


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of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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thanks to everyone who responded.  all the copies have been claimed.

thanks again,

f26

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hi all..i have to put together a list of lesbian/gay/bi/queer musicians
for a class of mine, and was hoping that ya'll could help me out. they can
be dead or alive, any time of music, as long as it is widely available. if
anyone has any suggestions i would really appreciate it!
thanks
-sarah


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   #    hello to everyone i meet. i will have love in my heart.  when i
   #    have hate, i will turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger,
  _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
/ o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
'---'  a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will love.
and i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."  -amy ray

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hey ya'll!
if you want to wear a lil memorial to matt and to show your gay pride
check out the graphic i made:

http://members.tripod.com/~deleria_haze/matt.html

i'm planning on printing it out and pinning it to my shirt tomorrow.
it's the day after coming out day, so i figure why not use it as a way
to educate the ppl at my school??

*hugs*

lamia

"the dangerous thing about listening is that you don't really know the
effect it's going to have."
--tori amos

"i am not a monster. i am just a woman in all her complexities. we must
be able to accomodate a wide variety of simultaneous feelings within the
confines of our feminine bodies..."
--sarah schulman, after delores

http://members.tripod.com/~squeekyfromme/enter.html


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anyone who has the opportuntiy to do this should take it.  :)  it's a most
powerful experience!  i've done it on two occassions, once when i was about
10 and once when i was about 27.  both times i was in awe over what i was
doing.  besides, northern mn is a beautiful place.

lisa
(who's volunteering to translate if you need one, which my ex did)

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> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: ghost point of information
> date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 14:12:35 -0400
>
>in minnesota where you can walk across in five steps.  she said it was
>in some indigo girls song...
>
>i never realized the relevance of this line in the song until i saw the
>picture.  it is amazing how something so big and powerful can start so
>small.  i would love to just walk across the mississippi river and just
>say 'ha'.  maybe some day...

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i just recieved this in my e-mail.

-------------------------

for your info

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"the bible contains six admonishments to homosexuals and three hundred
sixty-two admonishments to heterosexuals. that doesn't mean that god
doesn't love heterosexuals. it's just that they need more supervision."
--lynne lavner

if you are interested in signing a petition encouraging the state of
wyoming to appoint a commission to investigate the beating and death of
matthew shepard and request the state to enact hate crime legislation
you will find info and a link to the petition at:

http://www.uglw.org/mspetition.html

mark elliott

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subject:      question for all

hey, clan:
         i've been sitting back for a while waiting for the perfect time
(or actually, trying to find the time at all) to post.  i'm really
curious about something -- please no flames!!!!!! -- i feel like i'm the
only straight female on this list, which isn't a bad thing, but kinda
feels lonely at times.  so can any other straight females (or males) e-m
me or something so i know you exist!!!!!  i know i've got lots of friends
who adore the girls who find their sexual happiness with the opposite
gender.  again, i'm not dissing or slamming or anything like that at all,
i cross my indigo-lovin' heart!

lots o' admoration and respect,
julie

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> amy's soc during her performance of
>scooter boys at the newport folk festival this past august...

>is it the ??? syndrome
>or is it the feminine mystique?

these lines have appeared before in amy's socs.  i think in the past
they were, "it's the veal calf syndrome, not the feminine mystique,"
referring to betty friedan's much-maligned-by-anyone-not-a-wasp book.

jill

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>>case has the potential to set an unheard of precedent in this country.
>>man slaughter is bull $hit...this is at the very least murder in the
>>second degree.

now, i learned this from like ally mc beal... so please correct me if
i'm wrong.

1st degree murder-- premeditated. maximum sentence: death penalty.
2nd degree murder-- not premeditated, it "just happened." maximum
sentence: life in prison.

i don't know if the  bashers *intended* to kill the guy.  based on what
the one's g/f said, they didn't.  "something just snapped," she said.
i'm sure that's the defense they're going to use... this reminds me of
that case where a straight guy killed a gay guy after the gay guy told
him on some talk show that he had a crush on him.  what defense did they
use in that case, and what was the ruling?

jill

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 19:33:07 edt
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the news media keeps saying robbery was the motive...what?!?! the robbery was
an afterthought...it doesn't take a genius to figure that out (hey we just
beat the crap out of this guy and hung him up like he had been
crucified..let's take his money and buy some beer!)...this was not an instance
of "that fag winked at me! let's kick his a$$" and then they rough him up and
leave him...this was far more calculated than that..these people lured the
victim outside, beat the crap out of him and then put him in a car and drove
who knows how many miles and strung him up like a scarecrow...in all that time
none of the 4 people stopped and said "this is wrong, let's stop now" they
continued ...that makes the ones who stood by and watched it happen as guilty
as the ones who did it...
matthew sheppard was 5'2...and weighed 110..hardly a threat to
anybody...except maybe some inbred redneck's masculinity...
i see images of one of the girlfriends crying in court...and all i keep
thinking about is how matthew's family and friends feel...how even the
hospital spokesman was crying as he was giving the announcement of the
death...regardless of what happens to that girl, she gets to live,unless
justice is served...i'm rambling...i'll stop

this event is not a gay issue anymore..it is a human issue...how anybody could
do that to another person is beyond me...

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hey everybody.  sorry for the nigc, again, but i thought you all might want to
sign this since we've been talking about it.  that's bout it. =)


                                ---lindy =)
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since you asked...
about a dozen or so of us...
got this in our inboxes...
not saying nothing else bout this.

>from policy@hotmail.com
>thank you for your message to hotmail.
>we have closed the account responsible for the email you reported.
(that would be debi666@hotmail.com, fyi)
>it is a strict violation of the hotmail terms of service (tos) for our
members
>to send harassing, libelous, abusive, threatening, harmful, vulgar,
>obscene, or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature
using our
>service.

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 19:18:04 -0600
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hurray!!! yay jilly!!!

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subject:      nigc - the white house project is online!

dear y'all,

sorry for the nigc but this is really cool stuff.  i thought y'all might be interested in learning about the
white house project's campaign to make it possible for
women to launch successful campaigns for the u.s.
presidency and other key positions.
at their web site (http://www.thewhitehouseproject.org),
you can help make it happen by voting for five u.s. women
who you think have shown the potential to lead our nation.

use your voice by voting today and help the white house
project change history!

whitney

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i was wondering if anyone knew if habitat for humanity had a web page. if so
could someone email me with the info. thanks
deb

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if someone held you down and forced you to chose one favorite ig album, not
counting the live ones, which would you chose and why?

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for deb and anybody else interested: <a href="http://www.habitat.org/">habitat
for humanity international</a>

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sarah wrote:
> if someone held you down and forced you to chose one favorite ig album,
not
> counting the live ones, which would you chose and why?
        that first one. starting with "closer to fine," i'd never heard anything
quite so wonderful. it's among my top five records all-time.
deb

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my favorite cd is rites of passage.  it was the first one i listened to,
and why i fell in love with the music amy & emily create.  it's so warm
and inviting.  every time i listen to it, i feel like i'm curled up in a
fleece blanket by a fire with a mug of tea (or hot cider) on a cold
january day.

with the exception of nashville, there is not a song on the cd that i do
not like.  and, i think i would like nashville except that musically, it
doesn't seem to go with the rest of the songs.  it is about a rite of
passage, but other than that, it feels out of place.

anna

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why does this make me uncomfortable ?
brings to mind an angry mob of villagers, rushing towards
dr. frankenstien's laboratory......mooonsterrr killl  the monster !!!!!
........ or take away his email account.
*sigh*.... whatever...  i was never big on angry mobs.
.02
c
ps...yes !! ..he vaas...myboyfriend !!!!!

<< date:    mon, 12 oct 1998 17:06:04 pdt
from:    recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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since you asked...
about a dozen or so of us...
got this in our inboxes...
not saying nothing else bout this.
  >>

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hey y'all,

i just wanted to let everyone know that i did a small tribute to matthew
shephard today on my radio show.  i talked a bit about the hate crime, and
how it saddened and angered me and most of the nation.  then i read a
quote from the denver post about matthew.  finally, i played "fare thee
well" in his honor.

i am still having a really hard time dealing with this.  while i was in
ft. collins, i must've passed that hospital at least 10 times.  there were
about 10 news trucks and many reporters.  i just felt so helpless.  there
i was, in colorado for a party, and matthew was right inside of that
building fighting for his life.  and there was nothing (at the time) i
could do to make anything better for matthew or his family.  i felt that
the radio show tribute was the least i could do...

anyway, we need to keep up the dialogue about this autrocity.  we can't
stop talking about it, and we need to condemn this whenever we can.  that
is the only small step that we can take to assure that this kind of crime
never occurs again.  i had thought that i had seen it all...after 5+ years
in amnesty international, i have seen so many gruesome crimes aganist
individuals.  but nothing has affected me like this horrific hate crime.
the only thing good that can possibly come out of this tragedy is raised
awarness...

love,
karen

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i am a long time list subscriber but lately i just delete most of the
messages.  two thirds to three quarters of the mail from the list does not
even deal with amy and emily!!!  please use descresion when posting
something to the list and realize that we are on here for the indigo
girls!!!!!  remember them?

rob

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if i had to choose...*struggles* i would choose strange fire *nods*
no particular reason, i don't think...

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 20:30:51 -0700
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i think that one of the great things about this list is the listees'
willingness to be open-minded about subject matter.  this isn't the kind
of list where we just gossip about what kind of laundry detergent the ig
use.  the list caters to a lifestyle.  sure, we all happen to like the
indigo girls, but we don't have to limit ourselves because of it.

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gosh..... i find it hard to choose, then again who wouldn't...... but i
suppose i would pick rites of passage

i was obsessed with that album for much longer than any of the others, it
holds a lot of meaning for me, my gf and i sing/record (it's a great release)
and that one is one of our favorites......

but i don't think i could give up any of them....... not a one!
i'd never give up the girls!
* krista

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 13:55:36 +1000
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folks -

whitney said:
> i think that one of the great things about this list is the listees'
> willingness to be open-minded about subject matter.  this isn't the kind
> of list where we just gossip about what kind of laundry detergent the ig
> use.  the list caters to a lifestyle.  sure, we all happen to like the
> indigo girls, but we don't have to limit ourselves because of it.

on the other hand though, the main and primary purpose
of this list *is* for discussion of the music of the
indigo girls.

with that in mind i'm declaring an arbitrary pair of
songs of the week... um, "galileo" and "keeper of my
heart".  if you've got questions, comments, stories etc
about these songs, now's the time to speak up.

cheers,
sherlyn
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on tue, 13 oct 1998, sherlyn koo wrote:

> folks -
>
> whitney said:
> > i think that one of the great things about this list is the listees'
> > willingness to be open-minded about subject matter.  this isn't the kind
> > of list where we just gossip about what kind of laundry detergent the ig
> > use.  the list caters to a lifestyle.  sure, we all happen to like the
> > indigo girls, but we don't have to limit ourselves because of it.
and what life style would that be????????????????????

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my favorite ig album (and fave album in the world) is n*i*s.  that wasn't
a hard decision...i love that whole damn album.

now on to one of sherkyn's songs of the week...galileo.  well, no
particular story about it, but don't y'all think that everyone seems to
know galileo?  if people know one or two ig songs, they know either
galileo and/or c2f.  anyway, it is a good song.  yeah.  i got the dj to
play it at my cosuin's wedding...

love,
karen :-)

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 00:19:43 -0400
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oops,
i just realized that i made a major typo...in my last post, i spelled
sherlyn's name "sherkyn"  sumimasen (excuse me in japanese)...i won't do
it again, i promise... :-)

:-) karen

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hi kfs,
i have to discuss something people have been writing--i.e., "this is not
just a gay issue anymore, it's a human issue."  excuse me.  look at what
you have just said.  murder is never something that is "just a..." issue.
and lesbians, transgendered and transsexual folks, bisexual men and women,
and gay men are always, always, always human.  thus, the "issue" is a human
one.  every time you say "this goes beyond gay issues" or "this isn't just
a gay issue" or "this is a human issue" you are taking agency and respect
away from lesbigaytrans people.  don't do it.  instead, treat every murder,
every hate crime, every battering, every case of abuse, as a human issue.
that's what they are.  gay rights are human rights.

i'm sorry once again to be so proscriptive, but i am a rhetoric instructor.
when language is utilized in such a way that its final meaning contradicts
its intended meaning, i must say something.  i want us to be as powerful as
possible when confronting this insanity called homophobia, this insanity
called racism, this insanity called sexism.  language can help or hurt.  i
want it to help.

mourning for matthew shepard's family and the families of all victims of
violence,
suzi

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i have a kind of cool story about galileo.  i first bought rop when i was in
middle school, and so as you might can imagine my mother had to take me to buy
the tape.  so we went and bought it, and then i put it in the tape player.  we
listened to three hits, and then galileo came on.  well, my mother did
something at this point that would forever shape my life... she told me that i
could no longer listen to the indigo girls because they wrote a song about
reincarnation (my mother is a very religious southern baptist).  well, from
that day on i had to listen to ig when my mom was not home or when i could
play it under my pillows and she would not hear it.  i actually wore out my
tapes of rop, nis and indigo girls because i listened to them so many times on
my walkman.
now this is one of my favorite songs, but it holds a special place in my heart
because it marks the first of my underground ig years.  i was able to start
listening to their music again when i was in the later years of high school.
you know ig music sounds sweet anytime, but it is kind of cool when it is
illegal.

arin

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 01:00:40 edt
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hey everyone,

when i experienced sst in philadelphia, amy played guitar for gail anne
dorsy's "pullin' a cloud". it's a simple and understated song which makes it
very haunting. while amy was playin this tune, it became clear to me that the
guitar part is accessible to just about anyone.

i've figured out most of it.. or at least i have a clue what's goin' on in the
song.. does anyone have it worked out all the way?

peace! indigo! etheridge!
kathleen

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<< if someone held you down and forced you to chose one favorite ig album, not
counting the live ones, which would you chose and why? >>

rites of passage......there are 13 reasons and they're all listed on the back
of the cd.....swamp ophelia is a very close second......

the discussion of the matthew shepard tragedy inspired an idea for a great
song that i would love to see the girls cover.....phil ochs' "there but for
fortune"....

"there but for fortune go you and i......"

peace,
tim

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galileo was the first ig song i ever heard.  it hooked me.  i remember feeling
the sounds and the harmonies sweep through my body and i knew i had heard
nothing like it before  in my life.  my friend gave it to me on a mix tape and
i had it memorized in three days.  it was in my head forever.  i've had so
many wonderful memories associated with that song.  one day my friends and i
were waiting for a bus to take us home from a school trip and the buses were
immensely late.  so we were laying around singing songs and i just started
singing galileo.  everyone was just listened and it was awesome.  at the end,
carrie said, "aw, kar, that was sweet", then christy looked around and said,.
"you mean that was you?  that was good!"  well, that was my shining glory.
neither before or after that have i been able to sing well, just for that one
song, one time.   other than that, i'm tone deaf.

so, naturally, galileo is one of my fav songs.  teehee  it's the only song i
can sing!

just wanted to share!

love
kar

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 22:24:32 -0700
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on mon, 12 oct 1998, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:

> if someone held you down and forced you to chose one favorite ig album, not
> counting the live ones, which would you chose and why?

        i just *know* someone is going to kill me for this . . . but if i
had to choose, i'd probably choose "shaming of the sun."  yes, i did say
that.  why?  probably because it was my introduction to ig and will always
have that sentimental place for me.  (there you go, i've gone and dated
myself!  now you all know, i'm actually something of a newbie as far as ig
fans go . . .  *blush*) also, i got that album at a very critical point in
my life--it was the summer after i'd finished my two years at simon's rock
college and had come home to live (in the closet) with my family again.
my first girlfriend and i had just broken up, and as i was still very much
in love with her, i was hurting very badly.  my family and their church
were making me feel very keenly, albeit without knowing it, the pain of
their unspoken unacceptance of my sexuality.  i heard a local radio
station (star 98.7 kysr, for you angelenos) playing "shame on you,"
immediately liked it (and my attention was caught by the "the beautiful
ladies walk right by, you know i never know what to say"  line), and
bought sots as soon as i could.
        the album ran the gamut of emotions i was feeling--"it's alright"
expressed my frustration and anger but gave me hope, "don't give that girl
a gun" and "cut it out" echoed my loss, "shed your skin" felt like a
personal message to me, "burn all the letters" reminded me of how i had to
sneak around to keep in touch with my ex-girlfriend (we were still very
close) the whole summer.  then there were songs like "shame on you" and
"get out the map," which just helped cheer me up with their energy (and i
loved being cheeky and blasting that "beautiful ladies" line in "shame on
you" with family in the house, which also cheered me up).  when i wanted
to kind of wallow in melancholy for a while, "leeds" and "caramia" helped
me do that--the line "i don't want what's best for you, where will i be
when you've found it?"  was a perfect representation of what i felt toward
my ex.  when i was really hurting, there was something about the classical
guitar melody of "everything in its own time" and the laid-back feeling of
"hey kind friend" that seemed to wrap around me with a soothing sort of
calm.  and then there was "scooter boys," which was just a good venting
song for me to jump around the room with (yes, i *was* headbanging, if you
must know) and sing at the top of my lungs when i was frustrated.
        to sum up, every song on that album is one that i have a deep
personal attachment to.  i suppose i feel that way about most ig songs,
but it was the songs on sots that i knew while i was actually going
through those feelings, and it was those songs that helped me cope.  in
fact, i never even got another ig album until much, much later--to be
precise, the week after i saw them at lilith fair '98 in pasadena,
california.  (of course, once i got *that* chain started, you can be sure
i got all the rest of them within a matter of about three months.)  so
it's "shaming of the sun" that holds a very special place in my heart.

        (gee, that was kind of long . . . tell me i'm not just trying to
defend my choice!)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 01:36:24 edt
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my favorite album is rites of passage.  it's always there when i need healing.
it's always there to comfort me, although i have learned not to listen to it
in the car, or i'll start crying, and i just can't get the hang of driving and
crying at the same time...

love
kar

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gee, i guess my fave album would have to be n*i*s.  the album as a whole makes
me feel better about the world and my place in it.  maybe it's because it was
the first cd i bought after i got off the streets, and the first time i sat
down alone (which was rare, considering the house i was staying in had 14
other occupants) to listen to it all the way through, it just made everything
i had just gone through seem not quite so horrible.  i guess it's just my
"life's not so hopeless after all" album, cuz it reminds me of where i've
been.

dawn

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 22:45:08 pdt
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galileo has  very special meaning to me. for most, this is a very upbeat
kind of song, and i suppose that remains true. i associate it with this
past summer. my best friend's brother died of a heroin overdose-he was
17 and had just graduated from hs-was actually on the road back. i too
have a brother, who was actually a friend of her brother. at any rate,
the family picked some tremendous music for the funeral. including
"wish you were here" at the wake, "the man who sold the world" at the
mass...and because it brought up reincarnation, galileo was played at
the grave site. i watched my best friend hold the ashes of her baby
brother in a box. i watched her father collapse to his knees on the
refrain "how long til my soul gets it right?" a friend of mine performed
it very well. the oddest thing is when she sang "soul" it sounded like
"son" through that first refrain. i know it's just me, but i'm brought
down by that song. at the 930 club show amy broke into an unbelievable
version of "wish you were here" and i wept like  child. when emily sang
galileo, i again saw my best friend's father on his knees, and i was
moved beyond pain. it still gets to me. his birthday was a short time
ago and i was listening to some ig-it catches you off guard. i usually
have to skip "pushing the needle too far" but i listen to galileo. it's
some sort of self-inflicted pain/healing ritual. i don't know. sorry for
the rambling...just really needed to share...

-lyndsay

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date:         mon, 12 oct 1998 22:52:45 pdt
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on the other hand though, the main and primary purpose
of this list *is* for discussion of the music of the
indigo girls.

with that in mind i'm declaring an arbitrary pair of
songs of the week... um, "galileo" and "keeper of my
heart".  if you've got questions, comments, stories etc
about these songs, now's the time to speak up.

********************

of all two ig songs-these are the very two that break my heart right
now. i already gave my response to galileo-i'm sure you'd rather not
hear about the fucked up relationship "keeper of my heart" reminds me
of. let's just say she did tattoo herself...

lost in thought, but loving kate...

-lyndsay

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dear friends....

as a teenager growing up in the early 1960's, i learned that it was dangerous
to be "different"....and to mask my feelings as best i could.....in order to
survive as a non-violent person in an all-too violent world....  all the time
knowing that my true self was the person behind the mask....

a year ago i cast away the mask....mostly out of love and respect for the
courage of some dear friends who were openly gay.....but also out of an inner
need to just be myself....at whatever cost.....

i can feel matthew shepard's terror.....and i shudder to think that for every
person clamoring for legislation against hate crimes, there are an equal or
greater number applauding the despicable act....because matthew was a
fag....and god hates fags.....

there but for fortune go you and i......

rest in peace, matthew.....
tim

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 02:39:19 edt
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in a message dated 10/12/98 11:04:30 pm central daylight time,
listserv@netspace.org writes:

<< i am a long time list subscriber but lately i just delete most of the
messages.  two thirds to three quarters of the mail from the list does not
even deal with amy and emily!!!  please use descresion when posting
something to the list and realize that we are on here for the indigo
girls!!!!!  remember them?

rob >>

i second this motion!!!!!

brian

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> realize that we are on here for the indigo
> girls!!!!!  remember them?
>

>
>i second this motion!!!!!
>

lemme try this again...

these are the most

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> we are on here for the indigo
> girls!!!!!  remember them?
>
>i second this motion!!!!!
>

i know i am not the only one sharing this opinion:
these are the most insensitive

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reply-to:     * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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the beauty of this list is that we discuss the indigo grrls'
music, but we are not limited to ig content.  this list
provides ig devotees with a forum to share an array of
topics with other fans. i enjoy reading the many eclectic
posts, as they are interesting, funny, sincere, passionate,
informative, and other good stuff.

also, your email was posted only because this list is not
limited to strictly ig musical content. perhaps you fellas
(rob & brian) might wanna consider switching to the news
only list, or use
your delete key before you get your whitey tidies in a
bunch!

luv, bar

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> realize that we are on here for the indigo
> girls!!!!!  remember them?
>
>i second this motion!!!!!

okay, don't know what's up with hotmail tonight... my 3rd try:

these are the most insensitive words to cross my screen since i've been
on this list.  we are discussing human rights, ethics, morality, love,
and many other tenets that your "indigo girls!!!!!" stand for and write
about.

a life has been taken.

you two should be ashamed.

i thought all of us on here were well-rounded, whole beings who were not
so ig-obsessed to insist on absolute igc 24/7.  i guess i thought wrong.
a tragedy, touching many *many* of us on here, has occurred.

we are going to talk about it.

this is our  community.
this is our forum.
for many of us, this is the only place we can even say the word "gay".
right now, *this* is the only "safe space" in my life.

you cannot assemble a sundry group of some 700 or so people and honestly
expect them to just *shut off* all other aspects of themselves, and only
constantly tap into the tiny little "ig" facet of themselves.

and don't even *bother* flaming me, because petty little list arguments
are *so* nothing, when compared to the big picture here. save your anger
and direct it towards something useful; arrange a speak-out or
candlelight vigil.

i have absolutely nothing more to say to anyone who would rather have
silly discussions on arbitrary "songs of the week" than discussion and
mourning for a human life and a senseless tragedy.
and if that is the consensus here, then i think i will take a lesson
from chee and make my exit from this list as well.

good day.
jill

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may i be so bold as to say i speak for more than just myself here?  well said
jillyc!  we are not on the list for ig rather because of them.  they have
impacted all our lives in some positive manner.  now, we are being put to the
test.  have we learned anything from amy and emily?  will we try to model our
lives after the lessons they have so generously given to us?  or, should we
turn a blind eye to murder and concentrate on boots, lyrics and content of the
list?  i, for one, love the diversity of thought here and i am not ready to
say "good-bye" to jillyc's intriguing and intelligent posts.  let's be the
decent human beings amy and emily know all people can be.
lynn

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folks,

jill said:
> these are the most insensitive words to cross my screen since i've been
> on this list.  we are discussing human rights, ethics, morality, love,
> and many other tenets that your "indigo girls!!!!!" stand for and write
> about.

insensitive?  sorry, i don't see it.  what rob said was
essentially this:

- there is a lot of  nigc coming through this list at the
moment.  which is true.

- the main purpose of this list is discussion of the indigo
girls.  which is also true.

> a tragedy, touching many *many* of us on here, has occurred.

nobody's disputing that.

> we are going to talk about it.

yes, i think that this is a topic that should be discussed.
what that means is that i think this is a more fitting
discussion topic than what sort of underwear people wear, or
who's free for the spring fling.  it does not mean that this
has suddenly stopped being an indigo girls list.

> you cannot assemble a sundry group of some 700 or so people and honestly
> expect them to just *shut off* all other aspects of themselves, and only
> constantly tap into the tiny little "ig" facet of themselves.

nobody's saying that.  however, i say again - the main and
primary purpose of the list is this: discussion of the
music of the indigo girls.

> i have absolutely nothing more to say to anyone who would rather have
> silly discussions on arbitrary "songs of the week" than discussion and
> mourning for a human life and a senseless tragedy.

sorry you find them silly.  hopefully some people
appreciate them.  after all, this *is* primarily an
indigo girls list.

sherlyn

ps - i am thinking again of tossing in the list ownership.
second round of calls for volunteers - email me if you
think you'd be interested...

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 02:16:14 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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> however, i say again - the main and
>primary purpose of the list is this: discussion of the
>music of the indigo girls.

and the main and primary purpose it serves, 95% of the time, is
discussion of the music of the indigo girls.

(in re: to "silly discussions on arbitrary "songs of the week" rather
than discussion and mourning for a human life and a senseless tragedy.")
>sorry you find them silly.  hopefully some people
>appreciate them.

taken out of context, i must seem so strange.

let me try again: when we are being told to stop talking about this
tragedy and are then instead given some pacifying songs of the week to
chew on, in comparison, the latter seems rather silly.  i mean, the
songs will always be there.  they are etched in plastic, they are on our
shelves waiting. let us have our say and allow us to feel that we have
reached some sort of resolution here, and then we will again return to
the songs.  never did i say that i, or we, do not appreciate the songs.
just that the nigc takes a bit of precedence at this point in time.

jill

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 05:22:23 -0500
reply-to:     jen meklenburg <jmek@earthlink.net>
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i've been on and off this list a number of times over the past 3 years, and
i'll tell ya - i'm finding myself deleting all the ig related stuff and
reading the nigc stuff.  over these years, how many times can we talk about
our favorite album, or our favorite song.  we've discussed them numerous
time over the past 3 years.  so, i enjoy the nigc about gay-related issues.
afterall, it does affect a&e in the same manner it affects those of us who
are gay on this list.  as political as a&e are, i would think they'd be
happy that we're talking about important issues, like how to sign a
petition on the internet to stop hate crimes, then talk about what our
favorite album it.

sorry if anyone disagrees.  that's just my .02.
- jen mek

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> just a gay issue anymore, it's a human issue."  excuse me.  look at what

that is true, but i believe that matthew would not have been singled out
and beaten if he was a heterosexual.

peace,
- jen mek

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 07:45:13 -0400
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if it's october it must be time for the semi-annual discussion about nigc.
let's just go ahead and skip it this time, because we all know what it
involves...

"we should discuss things other than ig, because we have other common
interests"

"i'm not interested in your other common interests.  i'm here to discuss
ig."

"can't we all compromise?"

"i wanna discuss things other than ig"

"i hit the delete key too much."

listen folks, the list is supposed to be about discussion of ig.
occassional other posts about things are ok, but i think a lot of us feel
that things have the tendency to get out of hand.  please don't use the
"switch to the news only" list argument, because it's the discussion i
like, but the discussion of ig related stuff.  i like the songs of the
day, week, etc.  i like the discussions of favorite cd's.  i _don't_ like
thousands of messages about ellen, or long discussions about the matthew
shepard situation, or about people's personal lives.

i've suggested it before...if someone else wants to start a "things
tangentially related to indigo girls" list, then go ahead, but until
sherlyn tells us otherwise, i think we should play by the rules that were
agreed upon at the founding of this list.

i'll shut up now.

love,
darren

ps - my favorite album is nomads indians saints, and the song "ghost"
makes me weepy every time i hear it, as it hits a little too close to
home...

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** caution:  sappy story lies ahead. **

>songs of the week... um, "galileo"

july 10, 1998.  boalsburg, pa.

galileo was always kinda a hero of mine.  i was always a big science
geek and had some major problems with religion.  i always felt that we
were kinda kindred spirits.  i always liked "galileo" the song, but on
that night in the central pa mountains emily's voice hit me like a ton
of bricks. i decided last minute on thursday that i would go to the
boalsburg concert.  it was 5 hours away but it was near my parent's
house so i knew i'd have somewhere to stay.  i was going to call friends
from home to go with me, but decided that i should go alone.  best
decision i ever made.  i cried more that night that i have cried in the
last three or four years.  "how long till my soul gets it right?"  i
realized that if i ever wanted to have any kind of happiness i had to
tell my parents and family that i am gay. "can any human being ever
reach that kind of light?"  before that night i thought it wasn't
possible, but now, i'm well on my way to becoming a whole person again.
i didn't tell my family that weekend but i told them soon after that.
everyone who is posting about not having any *safe* spaces to talk about
being gay, i was there and i can tell you that i would not go back for
all the money in the world.  i told myself on coming out day 1997 that
by the next one, i would have no one to tell, well, this sunday, i had
no one left to tell.  that was such a great feeling!

the longest journey begins with a single step.

kris

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on mon, 12 oct 1998, julie fiore wrote:

> i feel like i'm the only straight female on this list, which
> isn't a bad thing, but kinda feels lonely at times.  so can any
> other straight females (or males) e-m me or something so i know
> you exist!!!!!

julie,

i am straight and i love the indigo girls. does that answer your
question? :-)

i think what happens on lists that center around a figure (or
figures) who is a homosexual, is that it creates a place where
homosexual people can feel more free to be themselves. it's still
a straight/waspy kind of world in many, many communities. and,
for better or for worse, i fit that bill. lists like this one
give me a chance to see beyond what i know.

this list is the kind of place where the straight and waspy type
*isn't* the majority, but it still seems friendly to those of us
who happen to fit that bill. hopefully, someday, more
communities, especially real time/real life ones, will come to
hate less and love more. isn't that what the girls' and their
music are about?

anyway, we straight people get to be in the majority nearly all
the time ... i guess it's our chance to see what homosexual
people feel like in their everyday real lives. a lesson
learned, hopefully ...

tle <--- who is an honorary lesbian on another list -- does that
count??? :-)
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i may be insane for posting this, but i'm going to do it anyway.  are you
interested in or curious about cooper seay's music?  i've got something
that you may like.  i've made a new compilation that i call "amy and cooper
: a history in song".  it's exactly what it sounds like.  there are songs
sung or written by amy and cooper throughout various stages in their
careers that they either performed together or i somehow feel are directed
at the other person.  you don't have to look at pictures of cooper.  or amy
for that matter.  just listen.  all you have to do is send me your name and
address and the tape is yours.  no trades needed, no questions asked.  what
do you have to lose?

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it's the keeping i could never do
but in this life of mine i never wanted anything
the way i want to keep you"
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>we are going to talk about it.

>this is our  community.
>this is our forum.
>for many of us, this is the only place we can even say the word "gay".
>right now, *this* is the only "safe space" in my life.

i have three comments:

go jill...tolerance...first amendment

-lyndsay

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and i don't say much anymore so shut up and listen.

1) yes, this is an indigo girls list.  that would be why the address is indigo-girls@netspace.org and not nigc@netspace.org.

2) yes, the primary purpose of this list is supposed to be the music of ig.  **however,** this list tends to be just a little bit obsessive-compulsive.  rather than the music, i see an awful lot of discussion that borders on the extremely personal.  i hate to name names, and i am not trying to point fingers, but *just for example* someone just today posted that they've made a history of amy and cooper's relationship, going through their music and looking for songs aimed at each other.  now, yeah, *technically* that's a discussion of their music.... but if i was amy or cooper and i saw that sort of thing go on, i think i would probably blow up.

3) the nigc that circulates on this list does tend to be rather lifestyle-oriented, if you want to talk about "the gay lifestyle."  now before you all get your panties in a bunch, i know there are straights and wasps and all such as that on this list.  however, when you're focusing on a "gay" topic, such as an openly homosexual band, you're going to find yourself talking about "the gay lifestyle" a lot.  things which fit that sort of thing, be they marginal igc or tengental igc or not igc at all, *do* have a place here, and everyone on this list, lbtg, wasp, or omnisexual wiccan priest(ess), should be respectful and tolerant of that.

4) the nigc that gets discussed here, in my opinion and my opinion only, are things which i believe the ig would find appropriate for discussion here.  i can imagine that they would like the idea of their fans getting together and planning candlelight vigils for that murdered uwyo student (sorry but i keep forgetting his name - matthew?) or planning protest marches in front of a mexican embassy after another slaughter in chiapas.  these issues - human issues - are those which we know to be near and dear to amy and emily's hearts.  and i can see them liking us talking about that.  much much more than they would like us sitting around trading tapes which contain songs that we feel illustrate the progression of amy's relationship with her ex-girlfriend.  and like i said, i'm not trying to step on toes or hurt feelings (although i know i probably will anyway.)  i'm just trying to talk sense.

i'm done now.

~~jennifer
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too many things on my mind.
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when i leave i don't know what i'm leaving behind
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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 10:33:07 -0400
reply-to:     "peter a. barta" <bartap@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
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on mon, 12 oct 1998, recidivist spice wrote:

> >>case has the potential to set an unheard of precedent in this country.
> >>man slaughter is bull $hit...this is at the very least murder in the
> >>second degree.
>
> now, i learned this from like ally mc beal... so please correct me if
> i'm wrong.

i knew law school would come in handy eventually. ( =

murder is defined as a killing with "malice aforethought," a requirement
met by a variety of mental states, depending on the jurisdiction - i.e.
intent to kill, knowledge that actions will result in death etc.

1st degree murder requires that the killing be premeditated and
deliberate. all murders which are not premeditated are second degree
murder.

manslaughter typically involves cases where the defendant was provoked, is
acting under extreme mental or emotional disturbance, etc.

death penalty is very complex and varies from jurisdiction to
jurisdiction, but it usually requires 1st degree murder with the presence
of a specified "aggravating factor," i.e. murder of a police officer,
killing occurred during the commission of a felony, the murder was
especially heinous.

hope that helped. criminal law can vary widely from place to place. i'm
not familiar with wyoming law or its requirements for each charge.


peter a. barta
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him as if he had saved a whole universe."
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and to love a young woman that i don't understand..."
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well, i'm straight...and i'm male... geesh, what the hell am i doing
here???  just kidding :-)  besides a&e, one of the main reasons i like
is that i get to interact with a "gay community".  i live in kentucky so
i'm exposed to a lot of homophobia, and very few openly gay people.  i
kinda' have anti-gay beliefs hot-wired into me so i do all i can to
overcome them.  i guess it's really no big deal to me anymore and this
list, ig's music, movies (_love valour compassion_, _bent_, etc.), and
occasionaly being able to be friends with a gay person have helped
lots.   oh, belonging to a fundemental chrisitian religion throws in a
strange aspect, too.  i think i've managed to reconcile everything with
that though, hehe.  well, anyway... i'm straight too... :-)

the sfc

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> on mon, 12 oct 1998, julie fiore wrote:
>
> > i feel like i'm the only straight female on this list, which
> > isn't a bad thing, but kinda feels lonely at times.  so can any
> > other straight females (or males) e-m me or something so i know
> > you exist!!!!!
>
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c'mon...that is the lamest thing i've ever seen on this list.  yes, we
have freedom of speech.  but should i start telling you all about my
research, or cheering about the braves (hey, they're from atlanta...and
emily has been known to go to games.  that makes it igc, doesn't it?), or
writing about clinton's sex life?  no...

it certainly seems ok to post occassionally about various issues,
especially ones that are somehow related to a&e, but extended discussions
of gay issues (or any other things like that) are not on-topic for this
list.

if certain members of our community feel like this is the only place they
can be open and honest and discuss their sexuality, then i'm sorry.  and i
know it's going to come across as insensitive and un-pc, but aren't there
gay and lesbian issues mailing lists?  if not, create one!  if there can
be mailing lists for things like the ben stiller show and michelle malone,
then they can't be that hard to create.

and before you attack with the "amy and emily would approve of all this
off-topic discussion" response, then let me rebut with...so what?  i have
no problem discussing political and gay and lesbian issues in my life.
but amy and emily don't have to get doznes of digests each day that they
have to scan for the small amount of stuff they care about...

i know i'm just perpetuating the problem by discussing it, so i'll shut
up.

darren

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erin wrote:

<< this list is the kind of place where the straight and waspy type *isn't*
the majority, but it still seems friendly to those of us who happen to fit
that bill. hopefully, someday, more  communities, especially real time/real
life ones, will come to hate less and love more. isn't that what the girls'
and their music are about? >>

hey y'all....

personally i feel that the *real* igc lies in the thoughtful discussion of the
issues and influences that fuel their music.....  you simply cannot
(unfortunately) ignore the fact that the experience of growing up *queer* in
society's eyes is one of the ingredients that make the girls and their music
special.....  if you've never been there, you'll never understand the emotions
involved.....or realize how much people a+e, ellen, melissa, k.d. lang, etc.
grow in importance to so many real human beings who suffer society's slings
and arrows because of that society's belief in so many non-existent negative
stereotypes.....

would the spice girls, who sell sex like a disposable commodity, have been
banned from those three southern high schools????

thanks, erin, for a lovely post......

peace,
tim

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on tue, 13 oct 1998, the lovely erin wrote:

> on mon, 12 oct 1998, julie fiore wrote:
>
> > i feel like i'm the only straight female on this list, which
> > isn't a bad thing, but kinda feels lonely at times.  so can any
> > other straight females (or males) e-m me or something so i know
> > you exist!!!!!
i exist julie a straight male right here<g>

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okay, i knew this was going to happen.  let me try to explain myself.  my
primary motivation for making this tape was not to invade cooper's and/or
amy's personal life.  my primary motivation was to expose more people to
cooper's music.  period.  sometimes people are afraid to invest too much in
something new.  with this tape i am presenting an opportunity to hear
cooper and, if you don't like her stuff, at least you still have a good
collection of amy's songs.  i didn't exactly have to look too hard to find
"appropriate" songs.  there are songs on this tape which amy has outright
said are about cooper.  i don't think it's any secret that they write songs
about each other.  what is so bad about making a collection of them?  it's
not like i'm giving out amy's address or making up stories about them.
this is their music.  they want people to hear it.

---------------------------
sheryl jones / sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
"for people like you and me the getting is easy
it's the keeping i could never do
but in this life of mine i never wanted anything
the way i want to keep you"
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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 12:28:34 edt
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in a message dated 10/13/98 10:35:30 am central daylight time,
listserv@netspace.org writes:

<< these are the most insensitive words to cross my screen since i've been
on this list.  we are discussing human rights, ethics, morality, love,
and many other tenets that your "indigo girls!!!!!" stand for and write
about.

a life has been taken.

you two should be ashamed. >>

hey all,

before i start, let me first say that i belong to many music lists.  to this
day, i have yet to come across a more pretentious and condescending group of
listees than the ones on this list.  you cannot sit there and accuse myself,
rob, or any other person on this list that is fed up with all of the nigc
posted. saying that we are insensitive about issues such as human rights,
ethics, morality, or love.  we may, or may not care about these issues, but
there is a time and there is definitely a place where these things should be
discussed.

why is it, on other lists i belong (yes, a good percentage are gay artists),
manage to stick to the subject of music?  does that mean that those bands and
their fans don't care as much about the issues as this list?  i highly doubt
it! i just believe that the people on those lists know the reason they
originally joined the list -- to discuss their favorite band - period!  even
if the band isn't currently touring or hasn't put out a recording in 100
years, they still talk about music. sometimes about other artists, but at
least they talk about music.  yes, it could be a little redundant, but so can
discussions about a rerun of "ellen" on lifetime.

in closing, i just want to say that i can't wait until a+e release another
album so we can stop bickering amongst one another and get back to more
important things.

just my 2% of a dollar.
brian

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 10:29:49 -0700
reply-to:     jo jo <jocusick@yahoo.com>
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libra
(sept. 23 -oct. 23)
   life seems to be moving at a faster pace for you, but you are well
able to meet it half way. the seasons are changing now, both
spiritually and physically. take the time to walk down memories lane
and reflect on the past, it is amazing what we can understand after
time and distance plays its role. being honest with someone about an
old debt will be the best way to solve your problem. speak soft or
feelings could get hurt. your dreams are for entertainment this week
so not much to go on.

happy birthday to the following...


october 14
kporcaro@usit.net

oct 15, (74)
wpatter@bmimetronics.com (winona patterson)

if you would like to be added to the birthday list, please feel free
to email me at joanne.cusick@cexp.com, and i will be happy to add
you!! have a great week everyone!!


much love,

jo anne

"morning comes, trailing into
  my mind-
  and in the light of a sunrise
  in a place you have never seen,
  i am thinking of you again."

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 10:23:35 pdt
reply-to:     shelley miller <strange_fire66@hotmail.com>
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has anyone figured out the tabs/chords (even partial) for sister, boys
just laugh, or soon to be nothing?  i think i've figured out the bass
notes for boys just laugh, but i can't for the life of me figure out
what the chords are.  and for go...i know someone posted the chords, but
it doesn't sound right when i play them...

peace,
shelley (who hereby declares miss arin "queen for the day" for letting
me use her capo!)

"before, we were victims.  then we were warriors.  now...we get to be
gardeners."  --ferron (10/10/98)

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 14:13:43 -0500
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well...i try not to get involved in this kind of discussion because id
rather delete random messages about stuff im not interested in than read
a hundred posts about what we should or should not talk about.
so ill add to it!

i joined this list for several reasons

1. to learn as much as i could about the ig

2. to meet other people who share a love for the ig and their music

how much can you really say about the indigo girls that a couple hundred
people couldnt use up after a week, let alone a year....
when things come up i think its great....but i also enjoy other topics
of common interests that i share with other listees.  im not looking to
read a few messages each day all serious like a business forum
"discussing" the ig...

i know i m not the only one who enjoys the nicg...its a lively list,
and i think its an incredible mix of discussion....

if there is something that comes up.....that i am not interetsed in....i
delete it....1 click of a button....1 more to empty trash folder....not
hard guys/girls....
if youre not interested in ellen....or hearing about a tragic event that
is not even remotely a gay-only issue....then dont read them....for a
lot of those....that dialogue is very interesting to many listees....

maybe there should be a "serious ig topics only to be discussed in this
closed forum, no joking allowed" list....

anyway...i enjoy it....and the stuff i enjoy far outweighs the horrible
burden of deleting a couple more messages a day....

life is like that....

deal with it..

and please...if you want to rip me out.....

send it to ....  idontgiveacrap@sodontbother.com

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 16:10:01 -0400
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it seems we need yet another list formed, so i took some initiative.

"serious indigo girls topics only to be discussed in this closed forum,
no joking allowed."

group moderator: igc-owner@egroups.com

to subscribe, send a message to igc-subscribe@egroups.com or go the this
e-group's home page at http://www.egroups.com/list/igc

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 16:25:25 edt
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i must agree with the subject matter here.  i just recently joined the list
because the girls' music speaks to me in a profound way.  i have been so
disappointed to find the majority of the posts have been about being
gay/lesbian, "coming out", etc.  i'm really not here to here about those
things.  i don't believe that makes me insensitive to important issues...  if
i wanted to discuss gay/lesbian rights, etc., i would have joined a list about
those subjects.
i thought i joined a list about the indigo girls.

~brigette

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 15:34:32 -0700
reply-to:     monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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that's an interesting initiative. i could be wrong but my reading of this
whole thread is that people have been arguing that there is a need for a
list where folks can discuss nigc topics of interest to listees in a safe
and supportive environment. i haven't seen anyone homestly argue for a
"serious indigo girls topics only to be discussed in this closed forum,
no joking allowed." kind of list.

why create a list that has not been requested by anyone? was this list
created because you want to join it? if not, why create it?

is this an attempt to cut down folks who have been expressing the problems
they have with the traffic on this list? i'm a bit troubled by the lack of
willingness  to understand the other side of this debate that i'm seeing in
some posts. is this all done in the name of being more like amy and emily?

monique

anna creech wrote:

> it seems we need yet another list formed, so i took some initiative.
>
> "serious indigo girls topics only to be discussed in this closed forum,
> no joking allowed."
>
> group moderator: igc-owner@egroups.com
>
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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 16:46:08 -0500
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does anyone have the chords to chiapas bound?  i'd love them.  thanks.

---------------------------
sheryl jones / sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
"for people like you and me the getting is easy
it's the keeping i could never do
but in this life of mine i never wanted anything
the way i want to keep you"
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i just heard on the radio that there are some "conservative christian
group" who are planning to picket matthew shepard's funeral to "protest
his lifestyle."  i want to cry or be sick...or just buy one of those
t-shirts that says "god save me from your followers"...what kind of
sickness is it that someone, in the name of faith or holiness or
whatever they might declare this, would visit additional pain onto a
family and a community that is already suffering?  what the f@## is
these people's problem?  don't they get it?  this is a human being.
this is not a lifestyle.  this is not a chance to convert, a chance to
save.  this is people's lives.  this is my life...this is me, biting my
toungue and hiding rainbows on the subway.  this is kids who get kicked
out of their houses in the name of love.  this is people, women and men,
who live in f#**ing fear every day of their lives of losing their jobs
or friends or lives for just being who they are.  anyone else want to
join me in praying for these freaking people, praying to a god or being
who doesn't f*##ing condemn me, who doesn't hate me for being gay.  this
is my indigo content...that i am sick and f*##ing tired of being afraid.

peace,
shelley

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 18:23:58 -0400
reply-to:     nighthawk <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
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subject:      re: nigc-the matthew shepard saga continues
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> i just heard on the radio that there are some "conservative christian
> group" who are planning to picket matthew shepard's funeral to "protest
> his lifestyle."

   i wonder if it's that fred guy and his family of lawyers that were so
well-recieved on the list a while back.
   surely nobody here can forget www.godhatesfags.com...

   darius

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hey all,

interesting thing i've noted...although the topics are not likeable to
everyone (that's what the "delete" key was made for!) i have seen more
participation by more listees in the past week than i have in the past
year, and it makes my heart glad that something finally made us all
speak up!  diversity of thought is as awesome as diversity of
lifestyle...let's embrace it :)  yes, the list is supposed to focus on
ig music, and yes, some topics go on and on, but wouldn't amy & emily
encourage us to voice our opinions, take a stand & be passionate about
something?  imho, all things indigo have a place on this list (with the
exception of a & e's personal lives, of course)

peace & indigo dreams,

sheri g
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>
>
>
> let me try again: when we are being told to stop talking about this
> tragedy and are then instead given some pacifying songs of the week to
> chew on, in comparison, the latter seems rather silly.

...

>
>
>
> just that the nigc takes a bit of precedence at this point in time.

let me try to support 100% what sherlyn said. everyone expects some nigc on
the list. some discussion of the wyoming tragedy seems appropriate. what's a
problem is that it's coming, in the middle of so much other total nigc that
when it's all added up together, there's very little igc left on this list.

i understand what you said about safe space etc... when nigc topics that are
likely to be of interest to some listees are brought up to the list, it's ok
as long as  they are followed up by private email. if other folks are
interested in the topics that were brought up, please email the originator
of the topic to discuss it or to request sharing of info they got. i don't
have a problem responding privately to people who want to discuss private
topics, but please keep the discussion off the list. it will not diminish
the quality of the communication to make it private, but only enhance it,
you'll see.
it might be difficult to understand this but different people on the list
have different amounts of time they can spend wading through the unlabelled
nigc to get to the igc. 50+ emails a day is a lot for some folks. the news
and digest formats are not a solution because they do not get as much igc as
this list in a timely manner. what about one of you young'uns creating
another list called something like ig-interest to discuss things peripheral
to ig like social issues, current events, etc...it's pretty standard on the
internet to do that (for exactly the reasons we're all discussing, creating
a community that goes beyond the original purpose, bandwidth issues etc...)

i hope we can continue to exchange p.o.v respectfully between each other.

cheers,

monique

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 15:42:41 -0700
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apologies for the cc list, but i feel very strongly about this, and felt
like this was something i had to share with everyone.

on tue, 13 oct 1998, shelley miller wrote:

> i just heard on the radio that there are some "conservative christian
> group" who are planning to picket matthew shepard's funeral to "protest
> his lifestyle."  i want to cry or be sick...or just buy one of those

        first of all, i have to say that i disagree with your subject
line--i feel that this is a subject which contains a *lot* of ig
content.  the plight of gay/lesbian/bisexual people everywhere is
something that amy and emily care deeply about, or they wouldn't speak up
so much about it.  we hear it in so much of their work: "love's recovery"
is no less a profound insight than "it's alright."  and amy's
admonition to "not be complacent" is indeed a powerful one.
        to that end, are we going to take that admonition to heart?  if
we, as such dedicated fans of the indigo girls, value so much what they
stand for, are *we* going to ensure that we will not be complacent?
sitting here, posting to the list about how upset and sick and angry we
are that anyone would have the gall and the audacity to show anyone the
disrespect that "rev." phelps is planning on showing at matthew's
funeral, well, it's all well and good.  but what are we going to do to
demonstrate this to the community outside indigo-girls@netspace.org?  i
hope that as many of us as possible will make our voices heard about
this, and do everything we can, not only to show our disapproval of this
action, but *to work to the opposite end* and show what true unity and
love and respect are.
        to go ahead and vent, i cannot believe that anyone could be
hateful enough to organize a protest at the funeral of anyone, much less
anyone who died so tragically and brutally because of who he was.  and
yet that is the very reason "rev." phelps of "god hates fags" fame
("infamy," more like) is staging his little display.  to me, it's a cruel
and unneeded reminder of how and why matthew died, and one that will
deeply hurt his family and friends at a time when what they really need
is comfort.  anyone truly worthy of the title of a christian minister
should realize this, though sadly that is not the case.  i fear deeply
for the people who will be affected by his message of hate, and my heart
goes out to them all.
        so i can't speak for us all, but i truly hope that we will all
take the words of amy ray to heart in the face of this and be able to
say, "i will not be complacent."  matthew shepard's death is a great
loss, but i feel that the greatest way to honor his values and his life
is to accomplish through the aftermath of his death the goals that he
hoped to achieve.

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 18:45:52 -0400
reply-to:     darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
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i guess it gets down to this...which is more difficult and annoying?  for
me to have to scan through the dgest every day looking for stuff i care
about, or for people to join a spearate list for igc and nigc?  it seems
like the former puts me (and other people) through annoyance every day,
and many times a day somedays, whereas the latter would cause all of you
who do care about the other stuff to send one subscribe messgae now.

also, the former involves violating the charter of the group, and the
latter involves nothing lke that.

i just fail to see any argument why the political/nigc chatting can't move
to private email and a separate list.  if there is a reason, tell me...

by the way, i'm not proposing we be nazi-like about nigc.  certainly
occassional postings about michelle malone or cooper or music or even an
occassional posting about the political issues are fine.  i'm talking
about a constant chatter, such as happens quite often.

anyways, i have to go to a candlelight vigil now. it's too bad i'm so
friggin' insensitive...

darren, who is also sad to know that he can't appreciate ig music because
he grew up straight...

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 15:47:37 pdt
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hi everyone!

my favorite ig album is strange fire.  even though i have only been a
fan since march, it is the album i have played over and over again the
most times.  since all the songs are new to me, it just seems
alternately mellow and passionate, fun and tearjerking--and none of them
have been overplayed to my ears(which so often happens to pop music on
the radio).  i find it strange that i pick this one over the others,
since most of my favorite songs are on swamp ophelia.

'galileo' was the very first song i heard the indigo girls play live.
it was at the lilith fair, (shanie) in los angeles this past summer,
when they got on stage and the familiar bongo drum intro started to echo
through the rose bowl...wow...  at first, i didn't like the concept of
reincarnation (since i don't believe in it)--but the sentiment expressed
in the song about getting tired of trying to get it right is how i feel
about trying to live up to others' expectations .  it brings up how much
i so do not want to do that.  i also have to say that i like the ending
to the galileo video--"maybe we are more than we think we are...maybe
not."

diane :) - who just heard keeper of my heart for the second time last
night(sheepish grin)

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monique barbanson wrote:

> why create a list that has not been requested by anyone? was this list
> created because you want to join it? if not, why create it?

actually, the whole thing is kind of a sick joke.  but, if it is a forum
some want to use, the list does exist.  i created it, but i'm not all
that interested in it.  i like the list the way it is, even with all the
spats and complaints.

> is this an attempt to cut down folks who have been expressing the problems
> they have with the traffic on this list?

no!  like i said before, it's mostly a joke.  but to some extent, it
does have potential.  if people want a list exclusively for discussion
of the indigo girls and with no nigc, then that's what this is.  the
whole thing about "serious" and "no jokes" is sort of a tongue in cheek
poking fun at myself (at different times in my life) and the list.

> is this all done in the name of being more like amy and emily?

nothing i do is in the name of being more like amy and emily.  i like
them.  i like their music.  i like their message.  but i don't attempt
to model my whole life after them.  they're just people.

lighten up, folks!

anna

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hello all!

a few weeks ago someone posted about a book they saw that was
about g/l/b musicians and the indigo girls were in it.

does anyone remember what the title or author is so i can take a look at it?

thanks a lot.

take care and peace!

-deb

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hello again,

while i was looking around at walden books today i saw a book in the
performing arts section about the lilith fair tour.  there were a several
photos of amy and emily in there, as well as all the other awesome
performers on lf.  thought it would be of interest to some of you.

the price was $19.99 at walden books.  i don't know if barnes and noble
has it for less, i haven't checked there yet.

take care and peace!

-deb

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hey y'all,

i've been wanting to do this for a while and now seems like a very good time
for a little ig fun.  so here goes.

below you will find lyric fragments from twenty songs by ig.  they all come
from songs found on major label releases ( that would be epic!).  all are from
songs written by either amy or emily.  no covers were harmed in the making of
this game.

see how many you can identify without looking at your handy-dandy lyric
sheets.  if you don't feel like doing the search yourself, e-mail me for the
answers.  let us know if anyone out there gets all twenty!  a couple are
gimmes...

good luck and have fun :-)

pam in dallas
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know your ig lyrics

1.  "i'm running blind to a love of my own"

2.  "the heart and the mind on a parallel course"

3.   "...tonight i squeeze the sky out"

4.   "here is the fame they promised to give you"

5.  "dodging your memories"

6.  "i pull the blanket higher when i'm finally safe at home"

7.  "from inside this existence, sweetheart, time is not on my side"

8.  "...incarnate came the bleeding"

9.  "...built by other than a greater hand"

10. "they want to see you die"

11.  "close your eyes and bare the sound"

12.  "it's one true root that you bring to me"

13.  "a warrior, barefoot and dancing"

14. "this strange season of pain will come to pass"

15.  "...white chain rope fear be still"

16. "i can't salvage any truth for you"

17. "i always wake to find a face to calm these troubled lands"

18. "the moon has swallowed the sun"

19. "the days grow longer as we grow stronger"

20. "i know i'd sell my soul when it looks like everybody else is flying"
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it's funny that some  straight people have been writing to let their voices be
heard! i'm a gay man....also ,probably, a minority on this list! but who the
hell cares!?! indigo girls are universal and their music transcends sexuality,
race, and religion! thats one reason i love them! so straight people don't
feel left out! no one should!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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> > why create a list that has not been requested by anyone? was this list
> > created because you want to join it? if not, why create it?
>
> actually, the whole thing is kind of a sick joke.

that's what i figured.

> but, if it is a forum
> some want to use, the list does exist.  i created it, but i'm not all
> that interested in it.

do you really think someone is going to want to join it? unfortunately it's
probably just going to be a waste of resources.

> i like the list the way it is, even with all the
> spats and complaints.

that's very nice for you. i think you can guess that most people still on the
list are getting more out of it than not, otherwise they would not be on it. the
ironic thing is that it would not take much to fix this problem.
noone expects there to be no nigc on the list. it's often enjoyable when it's an
honest attempt at communicating. if folks were only so considerate as to reply
by private email when the originator requests private answers as well as when
the email topic is private in nature (use your judgment). the beauty of private
email is that something that's a boring me too post to the list can be a great
way to connect with someone out there who has had a similar experience or has
similar interests.

give it a try, you might like it and make great friends,

monique

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 19:05:36 edt
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hey all,

since i had once seen emily wearing an atlanta braves hat, i wanted to share
my joy of last nights brave victory over the padres.  emily would be proud
that we're all pulling for the braves.

also, my cousin "came out" last year (true).  well, since a + e are gay, i
thought you'd want to know.

for everyone's convenience, i had copies "ellen's" viewing schedule from the
chicago tribune.  enjoy!

ellen
tuesday, october 13, 1998 - 5:00 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (60 minutes)
"the puppy show". ellen meets a lesbian (laura dern) who enlightens her; guest
oprah winfrey. {cc,stereo}.

ellen
wednesday, october 14, 1998 - 5:00 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"hello, muddah. hello, faddah". ellen considers the ramifications of telling
her parents she is gay. {cc,stereo}.

ellen
wednesday, october 14, 1998 - 5:30 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"moving on". ellen moves into her new home and has a talk with her boss.
{cc,stereo}.

ellen
thursday, october 15, 1998 - 5:00 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"the clip show patient". hospital volunteer ellen regales a patient with
memories of her past. {cc,stereo}.

ellen
thursday, october 15, 1998 - 5:30 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"guys or dolls". ellen runs into her former pizza-delivering boyfriend and
feels an attraction. {cc,stereo}.

ellen
friday, october 16, 1998 - 5:00 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"social climber". ellen goes mountain climbing with an attractive athlete
(dedee pfeiffer). {cc,stereo}.

ellen
friday, october 16, 1998 - 5:30 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"roommates". new neighbors want ellen to meet their friend who is looking for
a roommate. {cc,stereo}.

ellen
sunday, october 18, 1998 - 12:00 am - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"guns n' ellen". ellen is obsessed with safety after being robbed.
{cc,stereo}.

ellen
monday, october 19, 1998 - 12:00 am - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"the sleep clinic". ellen and audrey have erotic dreams about adam.
{cc,stereo}.

ellen
monday, october 19, 1998 - 5:00 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"gay yellow pages". ellen supports gay-owned businesses by hiring a gay
plumber, who ruins her party. {cc,stereo}.

ellen
monday, october 19, 1998 - 5:30 pm - channel 39 life
program: comedy (30 minutes)
"just coffee?". ellen dates her mortgage broker who brings along a friend.
{cc,stereo}.

1997-8 chicago tribune, tribune media services,
lookahead communications, inc.

that's all folks,

respectfully yours,
brian "the cynic" belbis

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on tue, 13 oct 1998 18:23:58 -0400, nighthawk
<dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu> wrote:

>> i just heard on the radio that there are some "conservative christian
>> group" who are planning to picket matthew shepard's funeral to "protest
>> his lifestyle."

>   i wonder if it's that fred guy and his family of lawyers that were so
>well-recieved on the list a while back.
>   surely nobody here can forget www.godhatesfags.com...

that's who it is.  the story is at:
http://www.trib.com/homenews/wyo/funeralpicket.html

and phelp's freedom of speech is protected, even tho matthew's freedom
to love wasn't.

cyndi

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sorry to interrupt, but...
i've just been told that fred phelps and his westboro baptist church are
planning to picket matt's funeral.  (if you haven't heard about fred, go
to his site: http://www.godhatesfags.com ).

please, if you are in the area, please go to support the shepard family.
this is too much.

jill

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you know, it bothers when *any* hate crime happens, someone (i wish i cound
remember who) said when a minority is a victim of a hate crime, every
minority is a victim.  that's very true now. i'm not gay, i have been beaten
up by a couple drunk college students in lewiston who thought i was a couple
of years ago, and hell i inadvertenly fit a lot of gay male stereotypes
(like listening to the indigo girls and loving spinach quiche and herbal
tea.)
i am disabled, some of the best dialogue to come from this horrible tragedy
is the need for a federal law that protects all minorities from hate crimes,
one of my friends who was gay and disabled had his throuat slashed in 1995 -
he almost died, did they shash him because of his pink triangle pin ot the
cane he uses, it doesn't matter, if he would have died - he is a couragous
human being.
i don't want to sit and pontificate about what "amy and emily" nwould want
me to talk about, or not talk about, really i have far better things to do
then worry if a+e approve of my life and the choices i have made.
i will say the sense of community from this list is one of it's strengths, i
have never felt lame after meeting a liste after a show - in fact one of the
primary reasons i have been to so many shows in the past year is because of
the community i feel as a result of the list. the ig are not favorite band,
that's without a doubt rem, but you know what, if we can all listen to
"hammer and a nail" and make sure we are active in our communities, we can
use forums like this to educate. so while i can say "yeah let's talk about
the best boot this year (igc: 1/30/98 - los angeles is my vote, but i hold
resvations till i hear the 9:30 club boot.) or how much i personally gained
by seeing the show at the penobscot show last year" there needs to be a
balance, those moments of insight and education make this list enjoyable.
i've been online over 6 years, the first list i joined was ig, because their
music pulled at me from the gut, the amount of support throughout the years
has been unbelieveable, the music incredible and the "nigc" has certainly
helped, i mean i got some great web design info from here and virtually of
of my audio and cdr info from people on the list.
finally, this death has hurt a culture of people who happen to probably be a
majority on this list. be sensitive to that, i know there are no real
parallels i can draw form except maybe the push for funding of education for
disabled children, which is being debated now as part of the budget on many
of the activism and disablilty lists i'm on.

i'm sorry for wasting the bandwidth, but i needed to let you know that this
list is a *great place* i actually value the insights many listees have put
out there about the matthew shepard death, i mean where am i going to be
exposed to those insights? cnn? i don't think so.

mike r.

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 17:29:50 -0600
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subject:      nigc, matthew, and emily's response (long)

(forgive my tardiness on the topic, but i'm on digest, so i'm getting
things a little late here....)

i've been having private mail discussions all day long with individuals
about this whole nigc debate.  as tim rightly pointed out, we go through
this about every 6 months.  however, i think this time is different and
this is really important.

i've discussed with several people today why matthew shepard, his death,
or hate crimes in general have absolutely no place on this list.  this
attitude really scares me.  for me, the issue here is not that we are
having an nigc debate, rather it's a debate about how one of our
own.....a human being was senselessly beaten.....and how he has no place
in our memories, our hearts, or on this list.  i don't understand how
some individuals can sit through 9 days (i went back and looked at the
digests) worth of discussion on who wears bras or not, and say nothing.
i can't believe that individuals can sit through 12 forwards and virus
warnings (since august) and say nothing.  and they say nothing about the
weekly birthday list, shawn mullins, the lift, rem, dar, ani, me and all
the other bands that are discussed on this list.  but the day (or
actually within 30 hours) we begin a meaningful and heartfelt discussion
of hate crimes against gays, it is condemned as nigc and stating that it
has to go.  i fail to see the logic in this.  or rather, i see the logic
and it scares the hell out of me.  it's the same intolerance i see in
society...and it's right here.  at best, this was just "bad timing" for
this to come up.  at worst, it's something deeper and more
sinister....and i don't want to even go there.  [note:  i am not flaming
brian or rob here.  they brought this up, but this goes far beyond them.
no offense intended here guys.]

other times we've had this discussion, it hasn't been over the dead body
of a human being.  other times, it hasn't been in the middle of a huge
controversy on gay rights (the "new" media campaign, ballot initiatives
in 7 states, etc.).  other times, we've been able to say, go to the news
version of the list.  other times we've been able to handle the calls for
less igc.  but this is an affront to who we are as a group....as a
community of compassionate human beings (or so i would hope).

matthew is important....for many reasons.  for someone to get my mother
(mrs. baptist housewife) to say that the death of a gay man is a
tragedy....that is an amazing thing.  it is incredibly sad that he had to
loose his life.  but in the process of becoming a martyr, he has helped
changed attitudes and opinions....i see it already.  matthew shepard has
become a symbol (for history students, i think this will go down like
emmett till).  there will be a rally in washington this weekend.  new
legislation will hopefully come out this to protect gays and lesbians
from these kind of hate crimes.  by turning to this list to discuss, we
are able to let off our steam in a safe environment (or one which i
assumed was safe until a few hours ago).  don't we turn to our families
when bad things happen?  don't we turn to friends who can relate?  for
some of us, this list is our families.  we can't talk to our parents, our
brothers, our sisters or our friends about it.  i feel like my family is
being threatened here.  if these topics become "off limits" where will
some of us go?  who will we turn to?  that's why this list is an
important forum to discuss matthew and other topics.  and yes, matthew
shepard is important for many other reasons.  not the least of which is
that it could have been any number of people on this list.  this could
have been wyoming or mississippi, or new york or colorado.  it could have
been anywhere and it could have been any one of us.

while those among us are calling for the removal of matthew shepard from
list discussion and from our collective memory, there are those who are
planning to picket his funeral.  how sick and twisted is that?  you think
i'm kidding?  http://www.godhatesfags.com/shepard.gif  yup, it's our old
friends at westboro again (now, we really don't need to go back and
debate them....but i'm using this an example).  i'm sick of it.  you want
to know what it's going to look like?
http://www.godhatesfags.com/gold.jpg  and knowing this is coming, people
want matthew's memory removed from the list.  if people want to remove
the matthew discussion, they can remove themselves and go join the
westboro baptist church.

and to tie this all back in to igc, i think emily wrote a song about
this:

and it's alright if you hate that way
hate me cause i'm different
hate me cause i'm gay
truth of the matter come around one day
so it's alright.

like many others on this list, i'm waiting for the truth.  if we allow
high school cancellations, if we allow matthew to go un-noticed, and if
we blow the "new media campaign"......that leaves us morally bankrupt.
i'm waiting for the truth and it's going to be alright.  but right now,
it's not.  and i want to share that with my ig family.  i want to share
with my ig family that at csu, they had a mocking scarecrow of matthew
during the homecoming parade.

this list can be whatever we want.  and for as many years as i've been
here, some nigc has been allowed.  i don't agree with a lot that has
transpired lately.  but by picking matthew as to where we want to draw
the line, i think we're setting a dangerous precedent.  frankly, i think
it's insensitive as hell.  when i was a newbie, i hated the nigc, but
i've grown to see that the divergent viewpoints and interests is what
makes this such a strong community.  i've been on dozens of lists on and
off over the years, but this list is the only one i "stick with."  nigc
is part of the lists strength, not one of it's weaknesses.

i am going to wyoming this weekend.  hopefully i can get to go to the
funeral.  i will be leaving flowers at the fence and also at the church
in the name of the indigo girls list.  if anyone has a problem with that:
tough shit.

flame me, i'm wearing fire-proof underwear,
l'sly

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 19:12:32 edt
reply-to:     tahmehawk@aol.com
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from:         lynn van fossen <tahmehawk@aol.com>
subject:      re: nigc-the matthew shepard saga continues
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shelley, i agree with everything you said 1000%!   i'm curious if fred phelps
is the leader of this group.   he is every well known for doing s**t like
that.   this is an opportunity for him get gain attention....unfortunately,
there are ppl out there who listen!

lynn      <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
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we shouldnt need another list but if you want ot make one why make one
thats what this list is suppose to be already
make one
iglistwithasmuchnigcasuwish@postwhattyouwant.com

on tue, 13 oct 1998, anna creech wrote:

> it seems we need yet another list formed, so i took some initiative.
>
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yeah, i read somewhere that the religious right wants to use this tragedy
as an anti-gay rights thing.  they are saying that homosexuals will use
this as an excuse to rally for their beliefs...whatever.

just to tell ya what kind of school i go to...but first, despite all the
conservative s**t, i do like wittenberg.  we have a good japanese
department...anyway, one of my friends was reading an article on matthew
shephard.  she was so outraged, she had to speak up (while waiting in the
health center).  the guy next to her looked at her and said "good.  his
life doesn't mean anything to me."  help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  i am
so upset over this already, and to have someone at my school say that...

karen

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x-to:         i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
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on tue, 13 oct 1998, i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be wrote:

> matthew shepard's death is a great loss, but i feel that the greatest
> way to honor his values and his life is to accomplish through the
> aftermath of his death the goals that he hoped to achieve.

   i hate to twist the panties of the anti-nigc crowd any more, but...
   any of you who are in the rochester ny area, there is going to be a
candlelight vigil in front of the student union at rit tomorrow evening at
6pm.

   darius

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subject:      nigc-birthdays for this week
x-to:         "kporcaro@usit.net" <kporcaro@usit.net>
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libra
(sept. 23 -oct. 23)
  life seems to be moving at a faster pace for you, but you are well
able to meet it half way. the seasons are changing now, both spiritually
and physically. take the time to walk down memories lane and reflect on
the past, it is amazing what we can understand after time and distance
plays its role. being honest with someone about an old debt will be the
best way to solve your problem. speak soft or feelings could get hurt.
your dreams are for entertainment this week so not much to go on.

happy birthday to the following...


october 14
kporcaro@usit.net

oct 15, (74)
wpatter@bmimetronics.com (winona patterson)

if you would like to be added to the birthday list, please feel free to
email me at joanne.cusick@cexp.com, and i will be happy to add you!!
have a great week everyone!!


much love,

jo anne

"morning comes, trailing into
my mind-
and in the light of a sunrise
in a place you have never seen,
i am thinking of you again."

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reply-to:     rob hite <hiterj@stream.mcs.muohio.edu>
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at 12:30 am 10/13/98 -0700, recidivist spice wrote:
>a life has been taken.
>
>you two should be ashamed.

read my message again.  did i mention michael shepard?  i don't think so!!!
that's not what i'm talking about.  what i'm talking about is when 50
people post about one dumb person who writes something "offensive."  ignore
it!!

michael shepard is a tragedy and my heart goes out to him, his family, the
gay community, and the us as a whole.  what is this world coming to?
however, to echo my last point, it is an indigo girls listserv and i prefer
to get mail about them.  that's why i joined.

thanks, i 'll shut up now.
rob

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hey, i know someone must have information about the ig compilation tape
that list members put together of ig songs that they covered.  i donated a
song but never got the tape back.  i believe that it was bethany p. who
correlated it.  please let me know if any of you have any information.

thanx

j&t

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okay, i tend to stay out of acrid discussions like the nigc/igc one raging as
i type.

in fact, i tend to roll my eyes and say stuff like "squishy, why don't these
people lighten up a few shades?"  (squishy is my pet box turtle.  well, i
think he's a box turtle.  he doesn't really move much.  okay, he's a keds
shoebox i painted green.  thanks, ellen, for the rambling humor style i've
adopted as my own.)

but i feel the need to say one thing:  what harm comes from nigc?

think with me.  say we have a day in which absolutely no igc is exchanged.
instead, we have a few jokes, a forwarded virus alert, a question about where
shawn mullins is playing and several snitty posts born of misunderstanding and
ill communication.

so what?

will the world end?  will storms come?  will you get a nasty rash?

the way i see it, if you join a list expecting all topical discussions, and
you get a lot of tangential stuff along with it, all you can really be is
annoyed.  what have you lost?

nigc doesn't kill babies.  nigc doesn't raise inflation.  nigc doesn't cause
plaque build-up.  nigc doesn't waste any valuable resources (except perhaps
time...but i and other list members have developed a quick and discerning eye
as to what needs reading and what needs deleting...in about a minute, i know
what's read-worthy and what's garbage.  you can too, with a bit of practice.)

i think you can view this list as two things:  a simple resource with which
you seek and find ig info, or a community of people brought together by a
common, yet not exclusive, bond.

the list is both.  it is a tool, and it is a community.  and for it to be
both, i think we have to be fairly liberal regarding what should be discussed here.

that's all my time.  tip your waitress, and drive safely.  g'night!

love,justin

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 20:27:27 -0400
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here's the info on a vigil tommorow night in d.c...

peter a. barta
bartap@law.georgetown.edu

"whoever rescues a single soul from the children of man, scripture credits
him as if he had saved a whole universe."
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to get all i deserve and to give all i can,
and to love a young woman that i don't understand..."
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date: tue, 13 oct 1998 17:42:44 -0400 (edt)
from: outlaw <outlaw@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
to: outlaw <outlaw@bulldog.georgetown.edu>
subject: vigil for matthew shepard - wednesday, oct. 14.


most, if not all, of the national lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender
organizations are sponsoring a vigil tomorrow (wednesday, october 14)
night at 7pm on the west steps of the us capital to celebrate the life
and mourn the death of matthew shepard.  matthew was the recent victim
of a vicious hate-crime in wyoming.

while speakers are not yet confirmed for the event, sens. kennedy and
simpson (wyo.), rev. jesse jackson, commedienne ellen degeneres, and
many others have been invited and will likely speak.

the grassroots mobilization for the vigil is being organized out of the
offices of the human rights campaign (919 18th street, nw, 8th floor,
202.628.4160).  they are in desperate need of volunteers to help build
the crowd to make this event a success.  anyone interested in helping
them  should go to the hrc offices any time after 3pm on tuesday,
october 13 ask for bev jones, field assistant.

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what the heck is this? did someone subscribe the indigo girls list to this
new list????

>this is the egroups.com service.
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ding ding ding ding ding

everybody go to neutral corners!!!!
i'm over it!!!!!

dawn

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if anyone has info on the tape we did as a list e-mail me privately at

jpyles@cougarnet.netexp.net

thanx

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i think the problem is resolved. please return to your normally scheduled
activities. which eposide of ellen is playing tonight?

respond privately if you dare,

monique

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 21:48:49 edt
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okey dokey.. so my piano is at my parents house, and i am away to college, and
it just so happens that i am here right now, and watching an ig video on
payperview, and i wanna learn to play leeds.. so, do any of you know where i
can find the music?
thanks,
erin

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 22:06:06 edt
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as for content:
"is it dictated or chosen"
"maybe that's all that we need is to meet in the middle of impossibility."
nuff said.
lynn

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 22:16:30 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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subject:      re: my words of wisdom woo-hoo!!!
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so then you wouldnt mind me sending you say oh maybe 50 letters a day
every day of various sorts fo stuff right cause after all you have the tie
to delete and go through it for say the one ig tidbit i might hide in
there cause thats bastcially what it boils down to


>
> but i feel the need to say one thing:  what harm comes from nigc?
>
> think with me.  say we have a day in which absolutely no igc is exchanged.
> instead, we have a few jokes, a forwarded virus alert, a question about where
> shawn mullins is playing and several snitty posts born of misunderstanding and
> ill communication.
>
> so what?
>
> will the world end?  will storms come?  will you get a nasty rash?
>

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 20:27:59 -0600
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in response to this.....god help me.

the people who are trying to make this list only about ig things are
plugging my server with nigc. what is the logic in that? take it to
private e-mail and have a fight to the death there.

alayna

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 22:43:55 edt
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1.  i just finished recording some songs for the listee's tape.  i forgot
who's putting it together.  is it too late to send a tape of some originals
and covers?  i even recorded my most recent...a song i wrote in just 3
mintues.  it's called "capitol hill."  y'all remember when i went crazy and
said i was disturbed at some stuff....had to go and do something?
hello????????!!!!!!!!!!  i mentioned the "news of late."  i thought i was the
only one who had heard of shepard's beating...i was really disturbed.  i
barely read anything from the list lately, but i'm interested in the listee's
tape.  disturbed, yep, still am, but i wrote a song about a whole bunch of
shet last saturday.  i put it on the listee's tape stuff.

2.  just today i bought a cool cd called birds of north america.  i work for
the nat'l park service as a biologist/forestry tech/wildland firefighter.  i
was thinking, "references that bring me closer to learning more, much more
about nature (taxonomy)?" ..yeah, got to buy it, man!!!  so, i bought this cd
hoping it would teach me more about the birds of north america....helloooooo,
chee, wake up...it's a band!!!!!!!!!!!  and they're very good.  for jilly's
information, too, i got a jane smith cd at the used cd store today.  she's my
thing lately, i think.  letter writing will begin soon, i'm sure.

-chee

"....dig deeper, dig deeper this time,
down beneath the imposible pain of our history,
beneath unknown bones,
beneath the bedrock of a mystery,
beneath the sewage system and the path trains,
beneath the cobblestones and the water main,
beneath the traffic of friendships and street deals,
beneath the screeching of como-cosy cab wheels,
beneath the good, the kind, the stupid and the cruel,
there's a fire that just waiting for fuel."
-ani difranco

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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 22:57:37 -0400
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3 words, y'all:

get
over
it

it's very sad and kind of pathetic that so many people on the list have
nothing better to do than bitch and flame each other over something as
insubstantial as a little bit of nigc. i know there are rules (has that ever
stopped anyone before today?) against so much nigc, but people are people
and people have opinions. when something as tragic as the shepard death
occurs, people are going to state their opinions where they feel they are
safe to do so. for those of you who don't like it, you have an option to
leave the list. we all know this is going to die down eventually, and then
we'll be back to talking about how cute amy's butt is or something trivial
like that. so be patient, and quit bitching.
ok that was more than 3 words, but i felt like saying it, so i did. we all
have the right.

flame me all you want. i'm at the point where i don't care what anyone
thinks of me anyway.

jendy

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this is a letter from my one of my best friends, dan, who is in great pain and
needs our help.  please send this to anyone you can think of who can help turn
this tragedy into something positive.

thanks for your time.  babs
*****************************************
dear friend,
        you may or may not know me, but i could be your brother, sister,
cousin, aunt, uncle, nephew, niece, best friend or anyone. i am a gay person
living in a world filled with hatred and prejudice.

        on october 12th, 1998 matthew shepard, a young gay man attending
college in wyoming was beaten to death because he was gay. he made the
mistake of flirting with someone he found attractive.  he was lured out of
the bar, driven to a remote location and beaten to death as he begged for
his life.  this is a crime you would not expect to hear about in a country
built on the idea that all people have the right to life, liberty, and the
pursuit of happiness.

from usatoday: cathy renna, director of community relations for the gay and
lesbian alliance against defamation (glaad). ''this was not just a robbery.
this was not just a murder. it was a horrific torture and murder that
happened because matthew was gay. and i don't think americans can tolerate
that.''

        our country's children are being taught and shown that to be biased
against someone because of the way they are born, or what they believe, is
acceptable. this must stop.

        i urge you, no matter your race, creed, religion or sexual
preference to write to your local representatives urging their support of
the federal anti-bias and hate crimes bill.  this law will protect you, as
well as the millions of gay people that walk among you, love you and live in
your communities. please write today.

you can find your representatives' and senators' names and email addresses at:
<a href="http://www.webslingerz.com/jhoffman/congress-email.html">
congressional email directory</a>
thank you all for your time and love.

        "when hitler came for the jews i was not a jew, therefore i was not
concerned.  and when hitler attacked the catholics, i was not a catholic, and
therefore, i was not concerned.  and when hiltler attacked the unions and the
industrialists, i was not a member of the unions and i was not concerned. then
hitler attacked me and the protestant church - and there was nobody left to be
concerned." -pastor martin niemoller

        do you want to be the one left? history repeats itself, save your neighbors
now before it is too late to save any of us.

dan duboff
out and proud.


matthew shepard memorial fund,
first national bank
p.o. box 578
fort collins, colo., 80522
account no.1926083.

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reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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folks,

lance said, and a few other people have also said things
along the lines of:
> the other bands that are discussed on this list.  but the day (or
> actually within 30 hours) we begin a meaningful and heartfelt discussion
> of hate crimes against gays, it is condemned as nigc and stating that it
> has to go.  i fail to see the logic in this.  or rather, i see the logic
> and it scares the hell out of me.  it's the same intolerance i see in
> society...and it's right here.  at best, this was just "bad timing" for
> this to come up.  at worst, it's something deeper and more
> sinister....and i don't want to even go there.  [note:  i am not flaming

folks, there there really is nothing sinister going on
here.  nobody's condemning anything.  it's a coincidence
that the nigc debate was started up at the same time that
discussion regarding matthew shepard was started up.  a
coincidence, nothing more, nothing less.

as several people have said, the nigc debate is one that
just keeps on giving.  it could easily have started up
at the same time as that whole bra discussion started up
(in which case it would have been a conspiracy against
underwear i guess) or the shawn mullins debate or...

on a not-completely-unrelated note - i am definitely
going to be giving over the administration of this list
to somebody else.  i will be around to give that person
my full support though.

cheers,
sherlyn
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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 23:27:35 -0400
reply-to:     deanna light <drlight@mindspring.com>
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i was just wondering if anyone knows if there's been an update of the sacred
discography (tm) since august of 1997.  when i go to the link proffered in
the faq for this unutterably valuable resource, the file that's there is a
year old and doesn't include a number of the new releases we all know to
exist (e.g., the sys blue and red singles).

can anyone point me to another, more current file, or tell me if one is in
the works?  i'd be glad to share whatever track/catalog number information i
have if that would help.

deanna

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 00:05:58 -0400
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hello,

i would like to invite you to join the indigo_girls mailing list.

the description of this mailing list is:

this is a list for fans of the indigo girls. it is to discuss their music, and
anything else that happens to tickle your fancy. feel free to discuss anything
you want. the only rule is, you must adore the indigo girls

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thanks,

brenda_keely@hotmail.com
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date:         tue, 13 oct 1998 23:48:27 -0400
reply-to:     rob hite <hiterj@stream.mcs.muohio.edu>
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at 10:57 pm 10/13/98 -0400, jendy wrote:

>we all know this is going to die down eventually, and then

>we'll be back to talking about how cute amy's butt is or something trivial

>like that.


hey y'all,


my point about nigc was in response to subjects exactly like the one above, not michael shepard.


thanks

rob

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 00:38:19 -0400
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hi, folks,
        this is from a news story about matthew shepard's murder.
        puts other email concerns into perspective, i'd say.
peace,
deb

> >    fort collins police were investigating a violently worded e-mail
> received monday by at least two gay and lesbian groups. police were
> trying to find the source of the e-mail, which applauded shepard's
> killing and closed with the words: ''i hope it happens more often.''

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hey yall
i was just wondering if anybody knows the last time ig played this song,
because it seems like its been a while, almost a year, and if thats a correct
assumption of time, does anybody know any reason why ? maybe em just doesnt
liek it as much, but it doesnt seem to be a heart wrencher like blood and
fire...  just wonderin...

peace
sasha

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it took me about 10 minutes to get them all (had to sing them in my head).
the "strange fire" songs were the hardest to figure out, because i hardly
ever listen to that album, but the rest just clicked. the last time i went
to a concert, i think i freaked out the people sitting near me, because i
sang along with every word of every song (except the new ones and amy's
chickenman soc).

april

(for those who don't want to know, answers to follow...)

=====
>know your ig lyrics
>
>1.  "i'm running blind to a love of my own"
nashville
>2.  "the heart and the mind on a parallel course"
you and me of the 10,000 wars
>3.   "...tonight i squeeze the sky out"
language or the kiss
>4.   "here is the fame they promised to give you"
tried to be true
>5.  "dodging your memories"
love will come to you
>6.  "i pull the blanket higher when i'm finally safe at home"
girl w/ the weight of the world in her hands
>7.  "from inside this existence, sweetheart, time is not on my side"
land of canaan
>8.  "...incarnate came the bleeding"
burn all the letters
>9.  "...built by other than a greater hand"
wood song
>10. "they want to see you die"
1 2 3
>11.  "close your eyes and bare the sound"
center stage
>12.  "it's one true root that you bring to me"
hey kind friend
>13.  "a warrior, barefoot and dancing"
keeper of my heart
>14. "this strange season of pain will come to pass"
fare thee well
>15.  "...white chain rope fear be still"
jonas and ezekial
>16. "i can't salvage any truth for you"
you left it up to me
>17. "i always wake to find a face to calm these troubled lands"
world falls
>18. "the moon has swallowed the sun"
virginia woolf
>19. "the days grow longer as we grow stronger"
shed your skin
>20. "i know i'd sell my soul when it looks like everybody else is flying"
make it easier

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*sad sigh*
in the inbox today...

>dear jill,
>
>       thank you for asking.
>
>       my comments:
>       bootlegs:  i have no comment.  i cannot condone them. i believe the
>indigo girls may be releasing a recording of the music from the tour.
i
>suggest you wait for this in fairness to their efforts and money spent.
>
>
<snip>
>       best wishes,
>       jane siberry
>

so what should we do?  i think she can't condone them because she feels
that if we have the boot, we won't buy the official recording.  which,
for myself, is untrue.  i'm really perplexed by this.  in fairness to
their efforts and money spent?  i don't understand.  how would
circulating these boots be undermining the time, effort, and money put
into the tour?  i wanted to do this exactly *because* i so appreciated
everything that went into the shows, and i wanted to share it with
everyone else who i know would equally appreciate it.
what do i/we do?  we do not have her permission to distribute our own
recordings of her performances.  she performed on nearly *every* song,
either on vocals or backup.
i want to reply to her, and try to explain again... but what do i say?
what do i do?  honestly, i'm at a loss for words.  please help me here,
guys, especially those of you who have been long-time booters.  i don't
know what to do.

jill

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>compilation tape
>that list members put together of ig songs that they covered.  i
donated a
>song but never got the tape back.  i believe that it was bethany p. who
>correlated it.

yes, bethany, though she is off the list right now, is still working on
that tape.  you can contact her at pbethany@hotmail.com

jill

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cheee said:
>2.  just today i bought a cool cd called birds of north america,...
>hoping it would teach me more about the birds of north america....
>...it's a band!!!!!!!!!!!
>and they're very good.

wasn't this one of amy's desert island disc picks?  (they were asked
what cds they'd take with them on a desert island, and i do believe this
was one of amy's.  only i *can't* remember *where* i saw this... anybody
remember?  i guess i could search the list archives.)(ug.)
chee, wasn't it?  weren't we laughing over why on earth amy ray would
want to know about the birds of this country?

jill

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 00:38:30 pdt
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>>know your ig lyrics

>>7.  "from inside this existence, sweetheart, time is not on my side"
>land of canaan
never heard her say that about existence... well ya learn somethin new
everyday...

>>8.  "incarnate came the bleeding"
>burn all the letters
heh, this is funny.  i never bother to check the lyric booklet, cause so
many of the artists i listen to *don't* provide lyrics (arg, thalia z.
my love, your bawston accent is *so* hard to follow...).  anyways, i
figured em was using some kind of lofty em-speak that was above me and
was saying "incarnate camebly".  i always did intend to look up camebly
to see what the heck it meant... ;)

jill

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 04:18:34 edt
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maybe this has been said before...but, just something that has always struck
me as ironic or odd....

in burn all the letters she's talking about how she's invading somebody's life
memories that are too personal...that are private through the letters once
written of a love saying, this is private, perfect, stay out....but, in
virginia wolfe she talks about how the words of wolfe diary are her connection
through time...(okay, i can't think of all the great words off the top of my
head...my brain is on overload tonight....but you all know what i'm talking
about)....that book was her connection through time, her connection to a great
heroin...anyway, if you stand these two songs next to each other, they
conflict...just an observation that i noticed a long time ago...i justt think
it's funny---if we had had respect for wolfe's private writings and left them
alone...we wouldn't have her strength and wisdom at our fingertips...

peace,
kara....

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so, i'm supposed to be writing up jeaopardy questions for my world history
class's review for their test tomorrow....however....i don't want to...so,
here i am procrastinating---again!!

i must say that i think i don't have a favorite album....i wish i did....i've
listened to rop so many times that i am actually sick of the album....i still
love the songs--i just can't listen to them in that order...off that album
anymore...to many memories, i think...rop reminds me of my sophmore year of
college....no--swamp is sophmore...rop junior year...rop was my first album,
my brother bought it for me for my 18th birthday...i had requested it b/c i
thought that was the album with closer to fine on it...i was pissed when i
found out it didn't have it...what can i say, i was snot when i was i was in
highschool..."like, oh--my--god this doesn't have my song!!!"  but i fell in
love with it anyway...three years later....oops...subsequently, i was singing
ctf when i crossed that stage my senior year of highschool and that whole
summer after that..."got my paper and i was free"...fully realizing that i was
going to college to actually get the "real" paper...but i thought i was cool
anyway...hey--i loved the indigo girls and nobody had heard of them, so in my
own little brain i was the retro girl...yeah..."whatever."   i was the
teenager obsessed with image i was presenting to the public eye...so, the ig's
title album was my album after senior year (i had a really crappy taped 50000
times over tape of ig that summer...didn't have a tape deck in the
car....drove around with this black boombox in the passenger seat....just so i
could blast land of cannon, ctf and b&f with the windows down, hair blowin' in
the wind, smoking and being my oh so not cool persona....i laugh, i was such a
dork...worries of a teenager...and that wasn't that long ago...so, anyway,
back to college...title was freshman year--then i saw them on their swamp tour
at school....and fell madly in love with them...not that i wasn't
already...but btw me and my roommate...she had amy's watercup and i had
emily's...paper cups i might add...oh, they were great...i dunno...this is
getting kind of long...junior year rop---every song reminded me of the love of
my life at that time...and the screw upthat followed...from ghost...to romeo
and juliet to love will come to you...everything except three hits, i always
skipped that one...but, when j and i split, the only song that brought me out
of that was galileo..."how many times till my soul gets it right?"  i would be
screaming, laughing and crying to this song, god it made me feel alive, still
does...it became dieseth room 205's theme song actually...so, anyway, that is
that...i'm finished now...thanks for listening...

oh, i'm student teaching right now--i wanted to talk about matthew shepard in
class the other day...tied it into the gov'ts lack of respect for the native
americans in the 19th century...trail of tears stuff...it didn't really apply,
but i needed an excuse to bring it up.....anyway, i had one boy say that being
"gay is wrong and that people shouldn't be allowed to be gay in public, or
flaunt it, or show who they are b/c it is disturbing to other people and
that's why you get crimes like this cuz' the gays just don't understand that
people can't deal with that shit"  and this statement makes 20000 thoughts go
through my head.....hmmm....thank god my supervising teacher was there to say
"adam...i'm getting you a book called "homophobia"...to which adam gets
defensive, "i ain't a homophobe..." to which chris responds--"ahh...yes...yes,
you are....and it's time to get over it..."  so, adam got a book today...

oaky, test question writing time...
kara.

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>"adam...i'm getting you a book called "homophobia"...to which adam gets
>defensive, "i ain't a homophobe..." to which chris
responds--"ahh...yes...yes,
>you are....and it's time to get over it..."

_homophobia: a weapon of sexism_, by suzanne pharr?

good read regardless.  recommended.  so very very concisely puts to
words so much that i've thought but never had the tools to verbalize.

jill

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so, i deleted where i'm supposed to send my check for the shirts and how much
they are...is shipping included in the price or is that extra?  ahhh!!!  i
have seemed to have quite the memory lapse lately...

can somebody send me the info please...thanks.
kara....

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hey-- this is for shanie, who is lovingly putting together some sort of
database/listing of ig songs, chords/tabs, and difficulty levels.

i was going thru my mail folders and found this, from kathrin siegmund
:).  i think this would be useful to incorporate into what you're
putting together.

jill

>erin was asking a few days ago about the scooter boys tab. it wasn't
>on my tab pages then, just hiding on my hard drive:-). it's up there
>now, though, at:
>http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/68800/homepage/igtabs/scooter.txt
>
>i'm just making it available, though, carolyn chow wrote it...
>
>other ig tabs can be found at the following addys:
>
>a-i
>http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/68800/homepage/indigo/songlist.htm
>
>j-q
>http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/68800/homepage/indigo/songlis1.htm
>
>r-z
>http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/68800/homepage/indigo/songlis2.htm
>
>for a plain text list of all my ig tabs go to:
>http://www.stud.uni-hannover.de/user/68800/homepage/igtabs/
>
>
>hope this helps:-)!
>
>take care
>and peace,
>kathrin


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subject:      re: nigc, matthew, and emily's response (long)
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l'sly wrote
> i will be leaving flowers at the fence and also at the church
>in the name of the indigo girls list.

add a flower for me. sticking with this list...community..whatever...even
as a lurker...i read what interests me.
marilyn

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recidivist spice wrote:

> so what should we do?  i think she can't condone them because she feels
> that if we have the boot, we won't buy the official recording.  which,
> for myself, is untrue.

jill:

> i would refer back to the pay per view special... which, in reality, we were
> all expected to tape off tv.  explain how some list folks didn't have access
> to ppv and sent blank tapes to others to obtain a copy.  then, mention how,
> for a long time, there were rumors that an actual commercial version of this
> performance was going to be released (wasn't it supposed to have been around
> last christmas?)... but that didn't end up happening.  i know, i would have
> purchased one if they had, despite already having a copy taped from my tv
> set.

> let her know that we "trade"... we don't "sell" any of the boots we have.  i
> don't know that it will help to discuss this with her, but you did suggest we
> ask and now you have her answer.  i hope when you explain it a bit more to
> her she may relent and say, if the girls don't mind, she doesn't mind.

good luck jilly!
twink!

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tonight on the west steps of the capitol,there will be a vigil sponsered in
part by the hrc and the ngltf. some of the people who will be there include
ellen degeneres and anne heche. if you can make tonight, please do

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i think she's pretty clear.
if you didn't want to know you shouldn't have asked.
i don't see the point of any further 'explaining'.
.02
claire

in a message dated 98-10-14 08:07:14 edt, :

<< >dear jill,
  >       thank you for asking.
  >       my comments:
>       bootlegs:  i have no comment.  i cannot condone them. i believe the
>indigo girls may be releasing a recording of the music from the tour.
i >suggest you wait for this in fairness to their efforts and money spent.
>
>
i want to reply to her, and try to explain again... but what do i say?
what do i do?  honestly, i'm at a loss for words.  please help me here,
guys, especially those of you who have been long-time booters.  i don't
know what to do. >>

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i agree with the the viewpoints of 2 people...the one who said they tend to
read the nigc more than the igc...the problem with the igc is that it's the
same (for the most part) igc that has already been a thread about a zillion
times...i find myself deleting without reading the igc mail about songs and
chords and boots because frankly the nigc interests me more now...

i also agree with what was said about how nobody seems to complain about nigc
when the thread is about dar, lift, shawn mullins, or whoever but the first
time matthew shepard is mentioned, a lot of people start complaining...the
fact of the matter is, this event has affected many people. it has affected
me, it has affected my g/f, it has affected my straight friends, it has
affected my queer friends and i know that it has affected many many people in
the list and their families and if you don't think it's important then you
need to get over it.

yes the list was created because of a common interest in the indigo girls but
i think that a&e would rather us  talk about this event that i am sure has
affected them than to discuss what cooper looks like and what car they both
drive and what they eat at the concerts and who is that blonde amy is with
yadda yadda yadda...

there i'm done...

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can someone also send me the info on how to order a listee shirt?

thanks,
karen :-)  who has a yucky midterm today...

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what is with the sudden appearance of all these new ig mailing lists?
were they started because people are upset about nigc?  if that is the
problem, join the news-only version of the list.  i did that for a
while.  i rejoined the regular list because through all the nigc, i do
hear about news and artists that i otherwise wouldn't on the news-only
list.  i have been on this list for nearly three years and though i get
annoyed with a lot of the nigc that is plain silly, i cannot imagine
joining another list.  i'm just wondering why all of a sudden we're
seeing new ig lists popping up.  it seems to me that if people wanted to
discuss strictly igc, the news-only list would meet that need.

peace,

joan :-d

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subject:      re: the "know your ig song lyrics" game
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on tue, 13 oct 1998, pam myers-morgan wrote:

> below you will find lyric fragments from twenty songs by ig.
> they all come from songs found on major label releases ( that
> would be epic!).  all are from songs written by either amy or
> emily.  no covers were harmed in the making of this game.

<snip>

> 9. "built by other than a greater hand"

        that would be "the wood song" which i quoted in a
presentation at a national convention.

> 14. "this strange season of pain will come to pass"

        this is "fare thee well" i do believe.

only knew 4 and 2 were already done ... sad, sad, sad ... <sigh>

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bootlegs are meant to be underground and illegal.  that's why they're
called bootlegs.  i know no one on the list means to hurt artists by
trading tapes.  i think it is wonderful how we share music with each
other on this list and i think we should continue to trade the sst
boots.  we must remember that at the heart of rock n' roll is
subversion.  rock on!

erica

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 09:34:15 edt
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hi... i haven't said much about the whole nigc debate, but i must admit
is has been interesting... and amusing :)  where else can you listen to
people argue about arguing  for a _whole_ day???  so anyway, is this new
list really necessasary? (although i commend you for taking the
initiative to form it)  i've been on this list for a year, which is
longer then most, i think, but not as long as some... anyway.  we have
little conflicts like this every so often and then they're over in a
couple days and the list goes on and we talk about "real" igc...  just a
thought.
my favorite album is nis because i really believe it saved my life...
hammer and a nail, world falls, handmedowns...  such inspiring songs...
they really helped me find the will to live again, the hope to get
"better," and to realize that what i was feeling was ok and that i could
come out of it on top.
have a great day :)
jill

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still looking for more tabs and stuff... if you have any,  lemme know :)

1. dont give up on me baby
2. gone again
3. leeds
4. winthrop


good day,
~troop~

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>wasn't this one of amy's desert island disc picks?  (they were asked
>what cds they'd take with them on a desert island, and i do believe
this
>was one of amy's.  only i *can't* remember *where* i saw this...
anybody
>remember?  i guess i could search the list archives.)(ug.)

>jill

i think it might be on the daemon records page?? uhm...maybe not...


lyndsay


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sorry to keep this up - could someone privately email me the lyrics to
gone again, go (the new one), sister, and soon to be nothing - if you
have 'em - it'd be most appreciated.  thanks.

tara lane
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diane gagnon wrote:

> what the heck is this? did someone subscribe the indigo girls list to this
> new list????

my appologies.  i did not realize it would subscribe the list to it, i
only meant for an invitation to subscribe to be sent to the list.

anna

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actually, i don't think these have been posted before, so i've tried to
figure 'em out.  (?) means i'm not sure if what i've written is correct,
and -- means there's a word or two that i am at a loss to figure out.
help!!
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count(?) the mountain road, saw the heavy load
with the sagging heart, and they'll break apart
voices in release(?), stood as thick as theives
with no sympathy, for the beggar's art(?)

- pass these crimes, bout a million times
effortlessly
now i grab the wheel, fear is what i feel
-----, ----of me

(chorus)
and you tell me it's temporary, just a matter of time
by god, don't you think i know it's in my mind
and it's right over left, healin the -
i'll soon be nothing, but i don't know when

well the way i flee, on my crooked feet
--happy horse, on a one track course
and i self-despise, crying out my eyes
cause the happy trail, led me to remorse
but the road is long, and the song is gone
i grow empty in my - shell
if i saw the choice, i might find my voice
but i don't know when, and i just can't tell

chorus

deep behind my face, is a safer place
but the gears are hitched tight to the gate
it's a daily grind waiting to unwind
till i hear the click that unlocks my fate

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this is a scarier song than i first thought.  does anyone know what this
was written about?  hopefully emily didn't write it about herself -
sounds like someone she knew was in an accident and had suicidal
thoughts.  any info anyone?

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i heard somewhere, i'm not sure where, but that she doesn't like to play
it without ulali.  i think she likes the song but finds it naked somehow
without their presence, so generally they only play it when they're
touring with ulali.

has anyone heard anything different?

chris ii

on wed, 14 oct 1998, sasha friedman wrote:

> hey yall
> i was just wondering if anybody knows the last time ig played this song,
> because it seems like its been a while, almost a year, and if thats a correct
> assumption of time, does anybody know any reason why ? maybe em just doesnt
> liek it as much, but it doesnt seem to be a heart wrencher like blood and
> fire...  just wonderin...
>
> peace
> sasha
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hey...

i am looking for a copy of the ig set from the nojf may 1996.  please
e-mail me if you would like to trade.

thanks!

kelly

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skip the first paragraph if you're not interested in random superficial
comments-i was watching a tape of "the view" on which ig sand "shame on
you" and thinking that although amy looked beautiful as always, there was
something different about her. the i realized, some makeup artist went nuts
with her eyebrows. they were all fashion model-y. both e and a were very
made up actually. they looked pretty in a main stream way, but it made me
think about perceptions of beauty. okay, that was pointless but i just felt
like posting it.
this train revised-in "this train revised" amy sings, "cover our eyes with
clear blue skies" i think she's referring to the nazi "doctor" who
experiemented on gypsies and jews, trying to make them look caucasion by
literally putting dye in their eyes. does anyone know for sure? if that's
what she's talking about--holy shit! what a line! the mixture of beauty and
brutality....

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about "soon to be nothing":

i took this song to be about seeing an accident while driving in the
mountains, and having it really hit home about how fragile and fleeting
life is..."i have passed these pines/'bout a million
times/effortlessly/now i grab the wheel/fear is what i feel..."

this is such a powerful song live...especially with the jean smith
spoken word part...a lot more impassioned than a typical emily song, and
in light of these recent events (matthew shepard, my step-mother's
diagnosis with cancer), one that reminds me how often i choose to live
with my eyes half open and how much of my life that i truly take for
granted.

take care,
shelley

"i will not be complacent"  --amy ray

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i took "cover our eyes in clear blue skies" to mean this:

denying the face of tragedy...covering up evil, painting it over with a
"blue sky" picture...on an individual or governmental level.  refusing
to acknowledge the monstrosities (the ones done in the name of anger, or
hatred, or love) enacted by other human beings...and by doing so,
allowing these crimes to go on...to go on...to go on...

peace,
shelley

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jill,

i think we've opened the pandora's box, and there's not much that can be done
about it. i'm cc'ing the list since this is an issue we need to resolve as a
group.

discussion:
clearly jane does not understand where we're coming from if she thinks that
folks are not going to buy the official release just because they have a boot.
however, getting an official blessing in writing from any of the artists
including i bet a&e, will be probably impossible even if one of us takes the
time and effort to educate.

can i personally guarantee in writing that every person who gets a copy of my
boots will buy the cd? of course not. noone can. why would jane or anyone else
agree in writing to something when they don't know what the effect is and they
might want to retract their agreement later?
boots have been existing in a gray area, verbally tolerated by a&e but no more
than that. i really think trying to get a more official approval is doomed to
failure. that said, i know emily saw several people boot shows at those i went
to. she did not seem to care too much. if a&e knew these shows were booted,
probably everyone else knew it too.

i think we're going to have to let folks decide for themselves what they want
to do about getting copies, given the information you have provided. noone has
to request a copy from a branch if they think it's not the right thing to do.
it's a personal choice. as always, for every person who trades boots it's a
personal matter of ethics whether they're going to buy the cd but of course we
all know the biggest boot traders are going to be the first ones in line to buy
the cd. jane's disapproval  does not change that.

this would be a good place for sherlyn and long time listees to step in and
speak some words of wisdom to us.

on a practical note, it's impossible to hear jane on any of the songs she did
backup on on my boots. her songs and the intro to vestigios are the only ones
where she can be heard. i could cut out her stuff entirely (but won't on the
boot i just finished because i've already spent too much time on it) from
future boots i'm remastering.  i'll think about what to do there.

other interesting data:

based on prior trees, my estimate of the number of folks who will get copies of
each boot directly from the tree is 100 at most.

having listened so far to 2 chicago boots, nyc, milwaukee, portland and
burlington, i can tell you all these boots have major sound quality problems.
all of them seem to have been taped relatively close to the stage, with lots of
audience noise. i was able to remove screams and some other noise from my boot
but it's still far from being anywhere close to a sound board quality recording
because i was so close to the stage, the tape was saturated with bass etc...
other boots have more audience noise, less bass, or the recording levels were
completely saturated etc...i can't see how these boots are going to compete
with an official release.

bottom line:

i still think it's okay to go ahead and let everyone be on their honor to buy
the official release if they get a boot and continue the trees. if sherlyn
makes a pronouncement otherwise or someone else convinces me not to go ahead
(try private email for that please) i will just return the blanks that i've
already received taped (they're already taped). i was planning on making the
chicago sst tree announcement by the end of the week so this leaves a couple of
days for the decision to be made.

realistically, we can prevent trees from happening but there are already many
people with copies of various sst boots especially the early ones in the tour,
and it would be a little bit big brotherish to try to prevent them from making
private trades with folks they know would buy the official release.


monique

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hey,

i'm glad we're talking about this song.  i love it.  it sounds a little
bit like a vonda shepard song, but with good lyrics.  no offense to any
vonda fans.  also, in light of all the new amy songs, it's nice to hear an
emily song.  but what i've noticed is that "soon to be nothing" and
"winthrop" are so different than the new amy stuff that their next album
is probably going to be quite diverse.  i mean, they usually are, but they
are getting more and more polarized as they get older.

speaking of which, does anyone think the next album will really be all
acoustic?  i would love that, but i doubt it.

wendell

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okay friends,

question for y'all...has anyone bought something totally unnecessary or
outrageous just because the color of it was "indigo" (as stated on the
label or something)??  just curious 'cause i bought a completely new
bathroom set (towels, toothbrush holder, lotion dispenser, etc.) a few
weeks ago because it is a lovely indigo color & even says so on the
labels!  didn't need the set...already had a nice one...but couldn't
resist the urge!  so, c'mon, share your stories...i can't be the only
one who did this, can i?!

peace & indigo dreams,

sheri g
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hello. please do not send me insults for writing this to the list. i
know it is not about indigo girls but i do not know where else to ask
this question. does anybody knows where i can go on the web to get
michelle malone guitar chords and lyrics? i real want to have the lyrics
and chords to the song counting stars because i like that song very much
and would like to know how to play it. it is my favorite song of
michelle. please let me know about any site or anyone who has these
chords. thank you all and have an indigo day!!!!

emilio hellerman

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> >       bootlegs:  i have no comment.  i cannot condone them.

wait.  this occurred to me last night.  this is actually the same stance
the girls take on boots.  they do not condone them.  but neither do they
discourage them.  they know it's in our hands, and (i'm assuming) they
trust their legions of fans to not screw them over.  is this right, or
am i just twisting rhetoric?

speaking of twisting rhetoric, this also occurred to me:
i do not have jane's blessing to tree my boot; i asked because, yes, i
wanted to know.  the rest of you did not ask; i have no control over
what you do with your recordings.

and as you probably know, none of our recordings are anywhere near
soundboard (actually cd-worthy) quality.  these shows were at dirty
little smoky clubs filled with loud drunken lesbians. ;).  and loud
drunken lesbians doth not a clear boot make.  if jane thinks we're going
to somehow be taking money away from them, she is highly overestimating
both our booting capabilities and our insidious (ha) natures.

jill

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just some more fodder...
someone sent this to me... i don't think they'll mind my anonymously
presenting it to y'all for the sake of discussion.
jill

>i don't think that _any_ musician in their
>right mind would specifically _condone_ bootlegs.  that's why they're
>bootlegs...  they're unauthorized recordings!  she didn't say, " i
forbid it."
>have em and amy even ever "condoned" booting?  no... they just say,
>"well, we know it's going to happen, and as long as nobody tries to
make money
>off of it, we won't get mad."   and that's a pretty liberal response.
most
>musicians will respond as jane has, (_officially_ saying they can't
condone
>it), because that's the best way to protect your material...   that
doesn't
>mean booting's not going to happen, and it doesn't necessarily mean
that those
>same musicians, (who responded in that fashion), will be all that
ticked-off
>about it.  that just has to be their official response to any questions
about
>it.

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>bootlegs are meant to be underground and illegal...

are they really illegal?  like, as in 30-days-in-jail-and-a-$1000-fine
illegal? call me dumb, but i never knew that.

dumb

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amy says she's still "loyal to the idea of a bare bones' kind of acoustic
record, but feels pulled toward more 'lush' sounds. we/ll see...

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i think the cd in question is called "peterson's guide to north american
birds"  and amy did indeed list it as one of her dids in the '97 issue
of [tower] pulse magazine that they appeared in.  how tweet!  :p

gotta go back to work now...

joan :-d

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on wed, 14 oct 1998, sheri graham wrote:

> question for y'all...has anyone bought something totally unnecessary or
> outrageous just because the color of it was "indigo" (as stated on the
> label or something)??  just curious 'cause i bought a completely new
> bathroom set (towels, toothbrush holder, lotion dispenser, etc.) a few
> weeks ago because it is a lovely indigo color & even says so on the
> labels!  didn't need the set...already had a nice one...but couldn't
> resist the urge!  so, c'mon, share your stories...i can't be the only
> one who did this, can i?!

        lessee . . . crayons, tubes of paint from the campus art store
(and i have no idea what to do with the stuff) . . . new glasses frames,
even . . . picked up those little paint sample sheets from hardware
stores and what have you . . .


        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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for jill and anyone else who was stumped...
the cd called birds of north america was one of amy's desert island disc
picks in the june 1997 issue of pulse (tower records' free magazine). :)
becky--who has always wondered what cd this was. now i know. :)

>cheee said:
>>2.  just today i bought a cool cd called birds of north america,...

>wasn't this one of amy's desert island disc picks?  (they were asked
>what cds they'd take with them on a desert island, and i do believe
this
>was one of amy's.  only i *can't* remember *where* i saw this...
anybody
>remember?
>jill


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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 14:24:34 -0400
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on wed, 14 oct 1998, wendell lee wrote:

> speaking of which, does anyone think the next album will really be all
> acoustic?  i would love that, but i doubt it.

   from all the tour footage i've seen from this summer -- emily's really
been enjoying ripping on her electrics.  i have problems listening to the
studio version of tried to be true after lilith '98.  not that it's a bad
cut, but...i've always had a special place in my heart for guitar heroics.
   whatever it is, it's bound to be good.

   darius

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        this is my first post to the list, and it seems as good a way to
start as any...
        i've never actually bought anything simply because it was labeled
indigo, but in a burst of bitterness at the lack of ig cd's at the local
border's i stole one of the plastic dividers with their name on it. there
were three others like it to mark the location of the two copies of
strange fire that they had on the shelf, so i didn't feel *too* guilty.
especially when i reminded myself that in doing so i was subverting the
power of a corporate monolith. :)
        mandy

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in a message dated 98-10-14 15:40:46 edt, pngwn@hotmail.com writes:

<< didn't need the set...already had a nice one...but couldn't
resist the urge!  >>


i think we can safely say this falls into the catagory of "you know your
obsessed when...".  lol    i haven't bought anything just because it had the
word or color indigo in it....yet.   i'm sure the time will come though.

lynn   :-)    <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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for anyone who hasn't heard this i would urge you to buy it.  it's a
benefit album for youthpride, an atlanta support organization for gay
teens.  the album is absolutely to die for.  it's worth the price ($12.00 +
$3.00 shipping) just for the wonderful live version of "center stage".  and
cooper's on it too :)

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> speaking of which, does anyone think the next album will
> really be all acoustic?  i would love that, but i doubt it.

i remember them saying, right after sots came out, that their next
album would be a "folk album", including songs like chiapas bound
and winthrop.  i can't remember what article had the "folk album" quote--
if anyone knows, please enlighten! =)  i agree with wendell--i love em's
new song, but the first thing i thought of when i heard it was "ohmygosh,
this sounds kinda like vonda's song maryland!"  on another note, i'm
looking for a good-quality boot that has "faye tucker" on it--i have lots
of boots to trade, and there's still my first-born up for grabs...;)

peace, love, and coffee beans,
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hello daemon fans!  october's trivia game at daemon underground is
underway.  this month we are featuring lift.  one of the questions seems
to be a bit tircky - just read carefully and you'll get it.  to play, go
to www.daemonunderground.com

flyer queen  =)

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i guess i neglected to tell people where to get this cd.  you can get it at
daemon, of course.  the url is
<http://monsterbit.com/daemon/thrive.html> at the bottom of the page is a
link to order it.

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ahh yes, here we go again with another "ethics of _______" thread.

when i was growing up, i didn't have parental guidance as such.  i
wasn't raised to ask permission to do something; i was brought up to
think for myself and then notify the nearest authority figure of my plan
of action.  the implication being that i was intelligent, strong, and
creative enough, and *a good person* enough that i could trust my own
thought processes and not doubt the goodness of my intent or actions.

when i wrote jane, i took this approach.  i figured i am intelligent and
caring and would not deliberately do anything that would subvert her in
any way.  given that, i said i wanted to circulate the tape amongst
friends; i asked for sheeba's address, so that i could send *her* a copy
as well (to further show her that this is an entirely friendly venture,
and i'm just a stupid disillusioned kid, not some evil executive).
almost as an afterthought, i stated that, however, i did not want to do
anything that was against her wishes.  the inference being that the tape
was not going to fall into the wrong hands, etc. but would simply spread
the music and broaden her fan base; but that i would play devil's
advocate as well, and give her the opportunity to give feedback on my
plan.  i did not expect her to flat-out say no.  and she *didn't*
flat-out say no.  she said she didn't *condone* them. which, admittedly,
surprised me.  maybe that's naive of me, maybe that's asking too much.
everyone has differing levels of faith in the goodness of humanity.  i
myself tend to believe someone when they give me their word; i tend to
trust my judgement of character and believe that no one who would
receive a boot would put it to any ill use.  i know that *i* never
would, and i don't think any of you are any less "moral" or "ethical"
than i am.

i had decided to tree my sst boot because i wanted to circulate some
damn good music.  because i want you all to hear the lovely way jane can
hold an audience in her hand, the way thalia zedek can howl like a
freakin banshee.  i had/have only the best intentions.  i would in no
way ever *imagine* doing anything that would harm any of these
musicians.  anyone who has ever heard my diatribe on role models can
vouch for this.  i have no female role models in my life.  i basically
have no mother.  someone (a listee i happened to have been hanging with)
asked me who my female role models were; i didn't know what to say-- i
didn't have any.  but then it occurred to me: yes i do.  and they're why
i'm on this list, why i boot shows, why i roadtrip 7 hours to the middle
of nowhere for a 2-hour concert and some good company.  my role models
are those women, those strong, intelligent, creative, gutsy women on the
stage looking down and smiling at me.   i have nothing but sheer respect
and a very deep admiration for them.

when i wrote jane siberry, i thought i had conveyed that.  i thought she
understood.  that my intentions are only the best.  that i want more
people to hear the music and gain the same admiration and support these
musicians the way i do.

now i am torn here.  what do i owe allegiance to?  what do i show
respect to?  and how can i best support her and all other musicians on
these tapes?...by keeping the tape to myself and appreciating it here
alone? or by circulating it and celebrating in amongst my friends (you
all)?

jill

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i don;t think i've bought anything just because it had the word indigo in it,
but that gets me thinking.  i need new contacts soon.  wonder if they come in
indigo....?


love
kar :)

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i posted this once but thought it might be worth posting again given the
whole jane siberry thing.

>from: <bill_jackson@harley-davidson.com>
>date: thu, 8 oct 1998 13:03:20 -0500
>subject: bootlegging
>to: strosenblum@students.wisc.edu
>
>     that history of bootlegging i'm reading is very interesting.  it
>     divides the bootleggers from the pirates.  the pirates are those who
>     do commercial harm.  they reproduce extant albums.  the bootleggers
>     (and a complete history of the endeavor is presented, going back to
>     shakespeare) present a whole new art form; they are essentially folk
>     artist purveying material for intense fans who would otherwise be
>     unable to gain acess to live shows.  well, you know all this; however,
>     as i read it, i realize things about folk culture that are new to my
>     thought processes.
>
>
>     by the way, hey, the term 'bootlegger' comes from prohibition days
>     when rum-runners would hide bottles in their boots.  (as applied,
>     then, to shakespeare, they were called something else as the term
>     comes from the twenties.)
>
>     bbbbbbbbbyyyyyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-bye....................
>****

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my cat mixed up the tapes like i said before. well i got the mess some what
straighten  out. i need the following people to e-mail me kelly hobbs ( ?
about what to do and if there are any tapes), pendryel ( 2 maxwell xii
tapes color me gray and blue food ?), bethany ward (?), nick orf (?), karen
thrope ( ks choice?), todd ( white dot ?), d>scott ( ? on what tapes lost
list), laura (?)< jude ( columbus boot ?), kathrin ( thanks for the tapes
question on what to do back lost list), morique barbanson (?), sheryl jones
(?),  and if i am suppose to have something of yours and your names isnt on
the list e-mail me and tell me. missy

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hmmm...you know, i'm beginning to wonder whether jill posts to this list
enough. i know i really look forward to going home every day, sitting down
at my computer, and reading at least 20 long, verbose posts from jill. have
y'all noticed that she responds to every thread? how many people do you know
who do that? i think jill should post even more than she already does. why
should she stop at one post per topic when she's got enough in her for 10?
come on, jill! let's see if we can make a world record here!

jendy, who hardly ever posts, and this is why...

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i'm really glad this question was posted.  i am a die-hard fan.  i wouldn't be
stretching the truth too much if i were to say that i have listened to ig every
single day of my life since june 1994 (and quite a bit before that too).

i remember when sots came out, i was disappointed.  i hadn't yet heard of this
list, and had only few friends to talk with about ig.  i felt that ig was
losing the *very* thing (intertwined harmonies/lyrics) that makes them great.
for the longest time, i wouldn't even listen (not even to one second) of sys or
sb.  they sounded too scary to me.  i didn't get it.  i thought that ig was
'selling out'.  it wasn't until i joined this list that i started giving these
cuts a second chance.

if you held me down, and forced me to tell you which of their songs i prefer
over others, i'd probably choose the more melodic ones that made them famous
(?) -- love's recovery, ghost, etc.  but there are days when only 123 and sys
will satisfy me.  i love 'em all, is what i'm saying.

at the 9:30 concert, i was getting the feeling that they're drifting apart, and
it saddened me.  i'm encouraged that some of you heard they intend to release a
folkier album.

-- heidi

<<speaking of which, does anyone think the next album will really be all
acoustic?  i would love that, but i doubt it.>>

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how about an entire desk set for work, including in-out boxes, pencil cup,
stapler, etc. (three years ago) and a $35 candle (just last month)?  i was
tempted to buy an indigo igloo dog house a few months ago, and i don't even
have a dog!!  sad, huh?

-- heidi

<<has anyone bought something totally unnecessary or
outrageous just because the color of it was "indigo">>

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we were driving back from a visit to my gf parents' cabin when we crossed
indigo avenue  a couple of blocks later we crossed gay street.  i turned
and said to her, "i want to live on the corner of indigo avenue and gay
street"

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okay -- last post from me today, i promise!!!  a couple of weeks ago, someone
inquired whether amy played the role of cashier in "gung ho", a comedy starring
michael keaton.  i rented it this weekend.  i'll acknowledge that if you only
caught a glimpse of her, you might think it was amy, but i rewinded (a couple
of times), and can say with some confidence that they couldn't even be blood
relatives.  maybe neighbors.  the name of the actress is linda carola.

-- heidi

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<hmmm...you know, i'm beginning to wonder whether jill posts to this list
enough. i know i really look forward to going home every day, sitting down
at my computer, and reading at least 20 long, verbose posts from jill. have
y'all noticed that she responds to every thread? how many people do you know
who do that? i think jill should post even more than she already does. why
should she stop at one post per topic when she's got enough in her for 10?
come on, jill! let's see if we can make a world record here!

jendy, who hardly ever posts, and this is why...>

well, that was kinda mean...maybe instead of mean, or angry, or flaming posts,
some of the listees should just get used to using their "delete" key more
often.

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every time i go to the store these days, i have to buy myself a
different shade of fast-drying nail polish.  it's become quite the
obsession...  anyway, imagine my surprise when i was browsing
for a new color the other day & i spied one called "indigo chic"!
so yep, i bought it!

another thing having to do with indigo (not necessarily the *color*,
but the word itself) that i meant to mention a long time ago:  last
christmas i bought my husband the need for speed ii (computer
race game) and one of the cars you can choose to race in this program
is a ford indigo!  poor little car, it's as dumb as a box of hair though.
all the other cars always beat it  :(   it's a little slow.  but then again,
maybe it's just my driving!?


leigh ann

p.s.  bar- wanna lemon drop? ;)


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  "i will only drink milk on the rocks!"
                         -bar, my best toot

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<hmmm...you know, i'm beginning to wonder whether jill posts to this list
enough. i know i really look forward to going home every day, sitting down
at my computer, and reading at least 20 long, verbose posts from jill. have
y'all noticed that she responds to every thread? how many people do you know
who do that? i think jill should post even more than she already does. why
should she stop at one post per topic when she's got enough in her for 10?
come on, jill! let's see if we can make a world record here!

meggy wrote--well, that was kinda mean..

i have to agree with meggy, and i don't care if this is a 'me too' post.

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i agree. that *was* mean. it was also very stupid, immature, and
unforgivable. i'd like to apologize to jill and to everyone else for what i
said. i've had a very bad week. that's not an excuse because there is no
excuse for that sort of thing. it's just the truth. i'm very sorry and it
will not happen again. i've sewn my mouth closed.

jendy

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has to be
swamp ophelia

i love the passion. touch me fall gets me so wild that my g/f (even though she
is not and ig fan, sacrilege i know) perks up when i am playing it.  the
ballads and the passionate songs on that album are wonderful.  and thanks to
whoever posed the question. it took my mind off of the wyoming boy for a brief
moment.

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>has anyone bought something totally unnecessary or
>outrageous just because the color of it was "indigo"...?

no, but i did insist upon a too-small pair of running shoes because
their style name was galileo.  ;)

jill

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thank you.  we as a community are venting and what better place than with
people who through the wonderful music of ig have found solace and peace.  we
need to all remember that love and kindness comes in many forms and in here we
all are still overwhelmed with grief anger and sadness about what happened to
that boy.  you two should look with in your own heart and decide if you truly
understand the message that amy and emily are sending through their music.  i
think you might have missed it.
peace love and light
beccie

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darius da man sayd
>...i've always had a special place in my heart for guitar heroics.

two words, buddy: thalia zedek.

yowza.
jill

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i thought those of you in dc might want to know that ellen degeneres, anne
heche, harrison ford, and others will be in dc (on the west steps of the
capitol) at 7:00pm to mourn the passing of matthew shepard and urge members
of congress to pass the hate crimes prevention act.

regards,
tf

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i am dying for a concert.  i don't care if the girls are playing in
finland, greece, or in alaska.  does anyone know anything about them
tourning in the near future?  just give me something to look forward
to!  (yes, i know that the preceeding sentence ended in a preposition!)
struggling though my last year of college and needing some
inspiration...

andrea
idgieaw@ipa.net

ps-please email me any info you have!  and please email me cities i
should consider moving to when i graduate in may!

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okay, here's a question:  if the indigo girls came out with a brand new album
today, would you buy it?

discuss!

love,   j       u       s       t       i       n

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well i sure hate so..i hated sots..i mean hated it..don't even listen to
it...i'm sure they don't care..but i pray to the music goddess that they
get back to roots and do a "amy, emily, and 2 guitars" album....they can
even leave out jerry and sara..
just my two cents

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i read it in pulse magazine...the really awful article about how amy and
emily are so different, like oil and water, then blend like a perfect
vinagrette...lol, yep that's the one.

yeah, i thought it was an album of birds singing too!!

mollie


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>i remember when sots came out, i was disappointed.
>losing the *very* thing (intertwined harmonies/lyrics) that makes them
great.
>at the 9:30 concert, i was getting the feeling that they're drifting
apart, and
>it saddened me.  i'm encouraged that some of you heard they intend to
release a
>folkier album.
>
>-- heidi

i don't know. i'd say sots shows musical growth for the girls. the 9:30
concert was energy...i think they needed it to expland some
creativities. at lilith (merriweather {md}) they seemed distant. but i
think they may be turning new things acoustically-finding themselves and
still fitting together very well. i'll ride whatever musical train their
pullin'.

-lyndsay

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><hmmm...you know, i'm beginning to wonder whether jill posts to this
list
>enough. i know i really look forward to going home every day, sitting
down
>at my computer, and reading at least 20 long, verbose posts from jill.
have
>y'all noticed that she responds to every thread? how many people do you
know
>who do that? i think jill should post even more than she already does.
why
>should she stop at one post per topic when she's got enough in her for
10?
>come on, jill! let's see if we can make a world record here!
>
>meggy wrote--well, that was kinda mean..
>
>i have to agree with meggy, and i don't care if this is a 'me too'
post.
>

okay, this is a third displaced me too! i enjoy jill's
insights...everyone just needs to relax!

peace, love, and all things indigo! weeeee!


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on wed, 14 oct 1998, lyndsay agans wrote:

> i don't know. i'd say sots shows musical growth for the girls.

   i completely agree -- i thought the instrumental stuff really kicked me
in sots, whereas it never has before (except for several brilliant
fingerpicking parts of emily's).
   i can also see where somebody who didn't like sots is coming from --
but like it or not, bob dylan did plug in.  there are a lot of things i
miss about the new girls stuff; the complex sim&garf intertwining vocal
harmonies are a big thing, because that was what attracted me to them in
the first place.
   but at the same time, i'm hearing a lot of interesting things -- music
styles that i'm normally not a big fan of (n. american chants, rage
against the machine) are assimilated into their styles.  i've never heard
anybody else do that without sounding like an cheap imitator -- besides
paul simon, who is something of a deity in my little world.

> i'll ride whatever musical train their pullin'.

   honestly, i'm not going to stick around town if i don't enjoy the
music, no matter what the message is.  (don't worry...i won't be
unsubbing anytime soon...)
   we'll see fairly soon, i expect.  now back to your regularly scheduled
nigc...  :)

   darius

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let me try to be as non-verbose as possible:

uh, jendy? can't quite tell if you're bashing me here or what...?

i am a *writer*.  hence i *write*.
never heard anyone voice any complaints (at least publicly like this)
before.

fine, i'll shut up.
have fun.

*poof*

>i'm beginning to wonder whether jill posts to this list
>enough. have
>y'all noticed that she responds to every thread?
>i think jill should post even more than she already does. why
>should she stop at one post per topic when she's got enough in her for
10?

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>date: wed, 14 oct 1998 20:11:54 -0400 (edt)
>from: nighthawk <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
>subject: re: ...a folkier album?

>> i'll ride whatever musical train their pullin'.
>
>   honestly, i'm not going to stick around town if i don't enjoy the
>music, no matter what the message is.  (don't worry...i won't be
>unsubbing anytime soon...)
>   we'll see fairly soon, i expect.  now back to your regularly
scheduled
>nigc...  :)
>
>   darius

ok...grammar apology.

i meant: i'll ride whatever musical train they're pullin'.

i'm not dumb, i just have issues with they/their/there, and i'm
tired-it's been a long day, and blah...

=) i love amy ray.


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hey, buck up little campers, it's all gonna get better.

can't help it, gotta submit a message to y'all folks.

1.  correction:  _kamikazi_ cab wheels.

2.  the band is called jubilee songbirds, album's called birds of north
america.
one particular song is a little weird.  the guy sings about getting
head....and then another song is about putting his best dress on and asking
himself to the prom....and then another song is about a snake.  it's a pretty
good cd, but i really wanted a guide to the north american song
birds....anybody help me.  as far as amy ray's fav. albums:  i doubt this cd
would be on her fav. list; it is a little folky, though.  f.y'all's i.---the
band is from il....wasn't jim croce from there, or was he from la?

3.   jill is certainly aware of her nack to ramble on and on, but we love her
for that.

4.  i loved shaming of the sun.  it was swamp ophelia that i didn't like.  to
think that they're selling out is ludicrous.  don't you ever get tired of
hearing the guitar all the time?  there are only so many songs you can write
on a guitar....this why i truely believe that they are going to get into the
swing thing....i would probably throw up all over myself and cream at the same
time if i heard amy playing the trombone.....god, i love those low
notes...sliding like that?  like old, i mean old, i mean freakin' old chicago
mixed with jim croce...oh, man i got to go to the bathroom..

-chee

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on wed, 14 oct 1998, justin shumaker wrote:

> okay, here's a question:  if the indigo girls came out with a brand new album
> today, would you buy it?

        yes.
        oui.
        ja.
        si.
        hai.
        you get the picture.  :)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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i just had to say that i am dying for a concert too!  i am a newly obsessed
fan and have never seen them in concert!!

misty

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does anyone know if emily is part finnish? (ie ancestors from finland).
just plain curiosity (cause i'm part finnish!!! and i would love to see
them perform finlandia live)

i'll go now...

-lyndsay

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justin pondered  **if the indigo girls came out with a brand
new album today, would you buy it?**

hmmmm......  no, kant say that i wood bye it write away...
first i'd hafta weight ann sea
if it was a reelie good album be four eye spended my hard
earned money four it.....
luv, tooter

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this was posted on one of the melissa etheridge message boards.   i thought
some of you might like to see it.
----------------

<<
                                 to matthew

we live in a world of uncertainity and fear
because we are different, they call us "queer"
even though you are just another one to some
you were "family" and a loving son.
how many more will have to die?
how many others will have to cry?
before everyone can just love one another
and accept us as their sister and brother!
to remember the either strraight or gay
jesus loves us either way
we have learned to forgive
so why can't  they just let us live?
it is hard for us to turn the other cheek
to those "hatred" ones we meet.
but we do and we wait and we pray
for equality we will get one day
but until that day does come
we say "good-bye" and hope  - you are the last one!
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just wanted to let you all know that i just got back from the prayer
vigil
in dc for matthew shepard... it was one of the more powerful events i have
been to in my life (besides the promise keepers convention)  (i'm kidding)
about 15 politicians spoke and matthew's friends and bulldog (from frasier)
and the lady form third rock from the sun and then ellen and ann heche
and ellen's mom all spoke... it was amazing and very tear jerking... just
thought those not living in dc might want to know...
if you do live in dc ...what did you think?
mary

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 23:24:05 edt
reply-to:     tcheehill@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         chee hill <tcheehill@aol.com>
subject:      ghost
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i will pay...in a better world, i would have to say that.  anyway, i will pay
for someone to teach me how to play "ghost."  tabs and all.

-chee

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 23:37:49 -0400
reply-to:     pooter's tooter <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pooter's tooter <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      life cycle o' mailing lists
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for your information....  the life cycle of mailing lists

    joining a mailing list is similar to moving into a new
neighborhood. in your new cybercommunity, list members
become your neighbors, relationships grow, you develop both
casual friendships and some very close friendships. when an
individual joins a list, instead of a bringing over a plate
of cookies to welcome the new neighbor, list members send
the new member emails with welcome messages. the friendlier
the neighborhood or the mailing list, the sooner you will
feel part of your new neighborhood or cybercommunity.
    kat nagel describes the social development of lists in
her article entitled, "the natural life cycle of mailing
lists." according to nagel, a mailing list has six stages,
which she calls initial enthusiasm, evangelism, growth,
community, discomfort with diversity, and the last stage can
be either smug complacency and stagnation, or maturity. she
describes the six stages as follows:
stage one - initial enthusiasm ~ new list members introduce
themselves, expressing their profound happiness in having
found others who share in their same interests, proclaiming
their ebullience at the thought of conversing with other
kindred souls.
stage two - evangelism ~ list members complain that the same
old threads are being discussed, moan that the same few
people always post, while urging the lurkers to post.
stage three - growth ~ there's a flurry of activity, list
membership is growing, new and interesting threads develop,
and occasionally there is an off-topic thread and post.
stage four - community ~ this is a time when listees feel a
sense of family with fellow listees; friendships develop,
good natured teasing occurs, participation is at its
highest, many threads are going on at once. new members are
welcomed with patience and generosity, and a great deal of
information and advice is exchanged. there is a shared
spirit of generosity, caring and patience - both newbie and
veteran feel comfortable asking questions, seeking advice,
offering answers, and sharing opinions.
stage five - discomfort with diversity ~ posts have
increased dramatically, and threads are becoming diverse.
listees complain about the number of threads, the majority
posts address growing annoyance with off-topic threads. many
listees are becoming disgusted with the posts complaining
about the off-topic threads, others complain about all the
wasted bandwidth, and some even threaten to quit because of
the prevailing discontent. stage six - smug complacency and
stagnation ~ the purists start flaming any listee who asks
an old question. any listee who responds with humor to a
serious issue thread should do so wearing a flame-retardant
suit. newbies are rebuffed, interest appears to be waning,
and posts become innocuous. interesting discussions have
been taken to private email and are limited to only a few
listees. meanwhile, self- righteous purists proclaim
victory, boasting and congratulating each other for keeping
off-topic threads off the list.
stage six - maturity  ~ some listees quit in a huff, while
the remaining listees stay near stage 4, while experiencing
stage 5 every few weeks. many listees become quite adept
with their delete key, sending unwanted posts into
cyber-oblivion.

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 23:56:36 edt
reply-to:     indigobabs@aol.com
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from:         barbara todd <indigobabs@aol.com>
subject:      re: new album thread
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well, i have to say if they came out with a new cd today, i would have tried
to buy it yesterday!

babs

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