lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-10c

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 00:51:03 edt
reply-to:     luvngrl24@aol.com
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>okay, here's a question: if the indigo girls came out with a brand new album
> today, would you buy it?

but of course!!!!! i can't imagine any one of us on this list who isn't going
through withdrawls for new music. between melissa and ig..... i can't stand it
anymore.
i would be in line at the door waiting for it, hopefully i wouldn't hate it,
sometimes i hate them right off the bat, then they have to grow on me. i
wasn't priviledged enough to "find" the girls until recently ( i had a freind
that tried to enlighten me back in 89 but i didn't pay attention, stupid me!),
so i learned the albums out of order. the girls' 1st one & me's "never enough"
had to grow on me for some reason, now i love them to death (as all of their
albums). a friend of mine kept trying to get me to like the 1st one, it was
her favorite. i tried liking it but it just wasn't jumping out at me, then
some difficult things happened in my life. i played it one day, cuz i was to
"hurt" to listen to all of the other albums due to too many memories. well it
was an album that soon came to be a big part of my healing process toward a
situation that eventually got better and better. (3 words for
ya...."blood and fire")
i think it is really strange how you hear what you need to hear - when you
need to hear it. funny how that works.
indigo strength to you all.......
<3 krista

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 01:23:18 edt
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from:         "timothy j. baldwin" <lythande99@aol.com>
subject:      new cd thread....are you kidding???...and a recommendation
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if amy and emily record it, i'll buy it.....some have taken a while to grow on
me because of their continued growth as artists, but they always do....

meanwhile, gillian welch's "hell among the yearlings" has taken up permanent
residence in my cd played this week....

hmmmm....gillian....it has a familiar ring....

peace and harmony,
tim

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date:         wed, 14 oct 1998 22:35:06 -0700
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ok.  catie isn't on the list right now.  but she sent this to me and i
had to share it.  oh and she said to say "hi" to everybody on the
list.   so hi y'all on the list!

but ya i need to tell you this my fellow ig discussion group member.
this morning in my core course we were talking
about the short story bien pretty by sandra cisneros- that we had to
read.  it is about this white lady who fell in love w/a
mexican & in the end he had to go back to mexico.  but during discussion
everyone kept saying how the mexican helped
the lady take life less seriously & everytime someone would say that i
would be singing in my head "and the best
thing you've ever done for me is to help me take my life less seriously-
cause it's only life after all."  (& i was bouncing
around my head as i'm thinking-singing & everyone kept staring @ me like
i'm crazy)  then someone said that she just has
to laugh at herself- & i was thinking (you have to laugh at yourself
because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't)
& to make things worse someone said "left wing" in their comment like 6
times so i kept thinking (i'm not a leader, i'm
not a left wing rutter- dar- the pointless, yet poignant, crisis of a
co-ed) so anyways my point is that i don't remember
anything that we talked about this morning in discussion cause for some
reason everything anyone said made me think of
some quote from a song. my next class is chemistry & i was singing
closer to fine in my head- silly me- the whole time
the professor is talking about orbitals so now i have to read my book &
try and figure out what she talked about.

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 01:36:04 edt
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just wondering what "shaming of the sun" refers too...i swear this was posted
a while back...or i read it somewhere...but i forgot...and well, i have to
write up a test tonight, so of course i am procrastinating--i just gotta
know!! and then i can concentrate...(yeah, right...) and if anybody every
needs and excuse not to work on something, i'm your girl...i have list so
long, that reading it will keep you away from your work for at least a week...

oh...janet--noexit00--i am looking for you...if you are still on the list...

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 01:44:10 edt
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from:         lynn van fossen <tahmehawk@aol.com>
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in a message dated 98-10-15 01:37:39 edt, rungek@aol.com writes:

<< just wondering what "shaming of the sun" refers too >>

i'd like to know the answer to that also.

lynn :-) <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 02:12:32 edt
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from:         "freida l. garigin" <flg940bigr@aol.com>
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mais oui, would i buy a new album.....
sots had to grow on me a little, though i did love "shame..." and "it's
alright" and "everything in its own time". i'm glad i took the time to
assimilate the new sounds, like the "indian" voices in "burn all the letters".
and "scooter boys" definitely has endeared itself to me. that's my opinion.
freida.

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 02:49:47 edt
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from:         "freida l. garigin" <flg940bigr@aol.com>
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hi.  freida here.
awhile back, when "1200curfews" was released, ig were on late night with david
letterman and sung "bury my heart...".  i taped it, had a really good video of
the show.  well, then, when they were to appear on that ellen episode, i
wanted to put it on the same tape, set my vcr, and i'm sure y'all have already
figured out what happened.  i didn't realize that when the vcr is set to
automatically record, when it comes on, it rewinds the tape a little.  so i
lost most of the "bury my heart...".  and the ellen episode was defintely not
worth it.  i actually cried.  so what i'm wondering is, does anyone think it's
possible to sort of do what is done with the "boots" (though i doubt the
ethics problem wouldn't come up)  with videos of ig taped from tv?  i just
read a letter from someone who saw them on the view.  i don't watch all that
much tv (too busy on the computer)  but i would absolutely love to catch every
time they appear on tv, to hear what they say, new songs, etc.  there was an
appearance on austin city limits several years ago, before i even had a vcr,
that was great---amy sang "jonas and ezekial" with just her guitar.  is
someone already doing this?  if so, i'd like to get in on it.
freida.

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 07:13:24 -0400
reply-to:     darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
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from:         darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
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my feelings on sots...

amy's stuff rocks. it's someof her best.
emily's stuff is decent. it's some of her worst.

i rememeber at a list gathering in atlanta last summer talking with some
others who seemed to agree with me...i always considered myself an emily
person. her songs were the ones that hit me hardest on rop, so, etc. but
on sots i was so incredibly moved by some of the amy songs, while most of
the emily stuff i found to be sub-par.

of course, that's just my opinion. i could be wrong.

darren

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glassd@math.upenn.edu                               like a full recovery"
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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 07:34:14 -0400
reply-to:     kelly fairbairn <fairbk@sage.edu>
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hello everyone!

ok, so it's nigc, but it made me cry. i just had to share....

kelly

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kelly fairbairn      "oh, i don't like the signs that the signmakers make,
fairbk@sage.edu       so i'm gonna steal out with my paint and my brushes,
ill dept.             i'll change the directions/i'll hit every street"
sage troy campus library                  d. williams, "you're aging well"
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date: wed, 14 oct 1998 02:31:05 -0700 (pdt)
from: arjuna greist <agreist@calvin.pitzer.edu>
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subject: song for matthew

daresques,
last night i stayed up until 3:30 am talking to my suite mate irwin about
matthew shepard and just the generally messed-up state of the world. it
was very depressing, and as pain is a wonderful catalyst for creativity,
(as stephanie so astutely pointed out a while ago) i sat down and wrote
something for him. like all my poetry & songs about lovers and friends and
family i've lost to death or other thieves, though... i'd rather still be
with them & not be so prolific. anyway, here's the lyrics in case any of
you are interested.

song for matthew

i didn't even know you but you
could have been my brother you
could have been my lover you
could have been my friend you
could have been anyone to die apart from reason
with last rites your only right
in this bitter, frozen land

i didn't even know you but i know your silence well
he took my love away from me
she joined him in a quiet hell
he took your life, did he take your pride?
he's the demon curling up inside
the hearts of those who speechless
lie in dark and dirty cells

i find it hard that you were named
for a man who wrote about the birth
of one who lived a life of protest
crying out for peace on earth
who when tempted by the devil said a thing profoundly odd
that we shall not live by bread alone,
but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of god

now i don't believe the stories
from this book so old it starts to reek
but god is in us every time
we bring ourselves to speak

i didn't even know you so i'm having pangs of somehow wrong
to martyrdize you, analyze you
in this, a stranger's eulogy
but i'm not blessed with sight divine
the only story i really know is mine
& each word is a small step in my journey to be free

for when i'm singing out this breath
hot syllables to challenge death
it may not warm your tortured skin
like a miracle come much too late
but maybe i can chip away
at this ice age of angry pain
replace the fear with burning joy
and weld a molten love out of my hate

i didn't even know you but you
could have been my brother you
could have been my lover you
could have been my friend
you are one in too many
who have died apart from reason
with last rites your only right
in this bitter, frozen land

it's not the best song i've ever written, but it's certainly the fastest.
irwin said it was because of the urgency. kinda weird w/o the music,
too... but i know y'all can deal. next post, dar content. promise.
peace, arjuna

np liz phair, juvenilia. her most bizarre album.
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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 07:37:01 -0400
reply-to:     kelly fairbairn <fairbk@sage.edu>
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hello,

more nigc:

my me promo offer is oficially closed. i will notify the winner on
friday. :)

kelly

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 07:51:31 -0400
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hello...

i have to admit i wasn't real crazy about this album when it first came
out.  i liked the first four or so tracks, but usually stopped listening
there.  i've come to appreciate it more, but i still listen to nis and sf
most often.  the one thing i got out of that album was a definite
appreciation of amy's talents that i hadn't really seen before that
(probably due to my own laziness..).  i agree with whoever said that em's
songs on sots is not up to her former stuff...it just doesn't reach me
like say language or the kiss or ghost.  i like the songs, but i don't
love them.

though i would love a folk album, i think a more "lush" sounding album
would be intersting. i can't wait to see what direction they're heading
in. :) and a official release of sst stuff would rock!

my two pennies,
kelly

who recently finished painting a ceramic mug for work in what color?
indigo, of course!!!

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 08:51:52 edt
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this is a song off of a new album called cry cry cry featuring dar williams,
lucy kaplansky and richard shindell. i just thought that it was appropriate
for matthew.

"speaking with the angels"

he don't know how to lie or to undermine you
he don't know how to steal, how to deal or deceive
so leave him alone,
set him free

'cause he's speaking with the angel,
speaking with the angel that only he can see

you say he's so helpless but what about you
you don't pull the strings don't you know anything
leave him alone
let him be

'cause he's speaking with the angel,
speaking with the angel that only he can see

would you teach him about heaven
would you show him how to love the earth
would you poison him with prejudice from the moment of his birth
he, in the name of love, in the blood of the lamb
he that never lays blame
he don't even know his name
so leave him alone,
set him free

'cause he's speaking with the angel,
speaking with the angel
the very one that spoke to you and me

oh do you remember?

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 08:06:20 -0600
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shaming of the sun refers to a native american myth about the sun.

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 09:09:09 edt
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new album?????
hell yes i would buy it.  if ig did a rap album i would buy it just to see, as
amy put it in the watershed video, ".....two white girls doing rap" all
kidding aside, i loved the passion on sots. at first it was a little strange
but you all are right everything ig does will grow on you no matter what.  i
love the sadness she expresses in that album.  the hurt and the anger shakes
my soul, and emily is posing the questions that we all ask ourselves (as
usual).  i loved it.  i have of course stated before that i love swamp ophilia
the best, don't know why but it just moves me the most.  of course my taste in
music is so eclectic that i love hearing my favorite band stretch out
themselves that way.  oh well, it is early and i am not quite awake, so
therefore i am rambling.
by the by, has everyone bought the lilith fiar album yet?  if not pick it up
it is wonderful!!!!!!!!!!!
peace love and light
beccie
ps  does anyone else share the dream of amy ray riding up to them at work on a
big white horse and carrying them off into the sun set????  just wondering if
my day dreams were too demanding.  |:o)

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 09:47:43 -0400
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hkf's,

since i have blue sheets, and a blue-ish/plaid top-sheet - and i needed new
pillow cases...  i simply picked out set of blue pillow cases, harmless, no
problem, not picky at all...  but guess what the actual color of these puppies
were???  indigo blue!!!!!!!!!!!!!  wow!!!!!  i never knew that color
existed!!!!!!!

now i'll have one more thing to show a&e when they come over for my living
room concert this weekend...!!!!!! oh?! you didn't hear about it?? saliers &
ray are going to play hkf for 3 hours while i contemplate life for awhile...

8-)
if the world is night, shine my life like a light...

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 09:47:59 edt
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what???????? what do you mean by hkf????? please explain, do i need to set
my vcr or something????????
confused but still sending out....
peace love and light
beccie

hiya,
i just got back on the list after a hectic summer, and i've been lurking
through the usual igc/nigc debate so i thought i'd add some of both.
the october 27 issue of the advocate has an article on sara lee- it talks
about a lot of the artists she has worked with, her sexual orientation, the
"boys' club" that is music, etc, and mentions the ig a couple of times.
also, there is a rock n roll name book (how bands got their names) that just
came out, and ig are listed- nothing we didn't know, but nice to see them
there.
next, a question: has anybody publicized a boot of the philadelphia sst?
i'd love to get my hands on it...i don't know if anybody mentioned this, but
at philly the audience was miked, which leads me to believe there will
definitely be an official release at some point...
two nigc notes, happy one first, for those of you who i've told about my
band: we're opening for the nields on october 30!!!!!!!!

not good nigc note next: (if you don't want to hear about something
tangentially related to matthew shepard, the ig part is over and you can
delete now) my college had a faculty-student discussion last night on
matthew shepard's death (led by me, cause i'm president of the glbt group
now). when the meeting was over, my co-pres and i walked back through the
dorms to her room to talk. on her door was written "that faggot deserved to
die/who's next?" this is the second incident in three weeks (the first was
on my door, which said "gay's (sic) die of aids" and a couple of other
lovely illiterate and ignorant remarks) and the two incidents constitute the
first gay-bashings since my freshman year (and i'm a senior now)...this
e-mail is my break from the numerous others i'm writing this morning: to the
local gay papers, to every administrator in the college, and to the other
area colleges..."and i will not be complacent..." i think people should
realize that this should be an opportunity to be pro-active: prayer vigils
can only go so far. now, while the media's attention is on the issue, is the
time to push anti-hate crime legislation and awareness.

sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 10:22:04 -0400
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if the girls came out with a new album, would i buy it?...

hell yeah!

i'd probably skip class to get to the record store just to buy it the
second the store opened on the release day!

:-) karen

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 10:23:51 -0400
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the two songs that were posted to the list for matthew made me cry. on my
radio show, i played "fare thee well" for him.

for some reason, it just seemed to fit...

love,
karen :-)

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 10:38:38 -0400
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well, actually my dream was amy riding up on a big ass harley and us
riding off into the sunset.......ahhhh,
wishful thinking,
jeri

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 09:50:09 -0500
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in an attempt to stop the hate mail ( and thank you for doing it
privately btw)what i meant was...    i  want to hear a folk album with
just two girls and geetars...if i wanna hear amy rock out i listen to
flunkie,,if i want to hear emily get down and rock i listen to hash..if
i want to hear them both get revved with other artists i listen to sst(
thats if i had a copy..of course i don't have a copy cause jane said no
and i never break any rules...i just pretend i'm listening to the
tuesday night chicago show..;)..)..but if i want to hear emily do guitar
solos like the one she does in land of cannan, then  i want to hear it
from indigo girls ( notice..no "the")..if i want to hear amy ig passion
i wanna hear it on an ig cd...
see what i mean.?
i wanna hear winthrop and going  to the country and  i wanna hear
caramia without all that background cr*p ...all those acoustic tunes
they played during the pre cd tour...and i want to hear them right
now....there is nothing more beautiful and moving then when those two
get together and just  sing..thats what i wanna hear..
ok? so stop yellin at me..or i;ll have to ask miz bink to "get ya"!

i love sots - i loved it the first time i heard it.  i think it's the
most musically challenging and best arranged album they've put together.
amy's talents as a guitar player are growing and she gets better on her
electric all the time.  but i disagree about emily's songs being weak.
caramia is one of the most complex and gut-wrenching songs i think i've
ever heard - it's a masterpiece.  get out the map was an instant
favorite, as is it's alright.  and when you look at the diversity of the
songs she put on that record - it's amazing she was able to write them
all in the same time period.  and the polarization of amy's songs are
similar - amazing really to think hey kind friend and scooter boys were
written by the same person.  the only weakness of the album in my
opinion is dgtgag - which i think is the worst amy song ever - i mean,
come on - the lyrics - "it'll be real cruel - i'm your fool" - that's
pretty lazy imho.  don't get me wrong - it's a good song, just not up to
what i've come to expect.  but it's this album that pushed me over the
ledge (only 2 flights up) from being a fan to a fanatic.  i've seen ig
around 10 times in the past 10 years.  half of those were in the past
year just because i wanted to hear sots songs live, and knew i'd never
get a better opportunity.

i can't wait to hear the new album and hear the changes to these new
songs we've already come to know and love.  if wishes came true - they'd
put out a double album with one disc all folk-duo and the other one all
electrified and hard-edged.  ooooh oooh - or how about a double album -
one disc for amy, one for emily?  that'd be neat.  then we could argue
for days over which was better. :)

out of lurkdom with a long post... sorry ya'll - i just feel so
strongly about the last album - felt i had to defend it a little. my
favorite is nis, my least favorite is swamp - if anybody is keeping
track.

-tara

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 11:32:23 edt
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this is an adaptation of an adaptation by the byrds of "he was a friend of
mine"

he was a friend of mine
he was a friend of mine
his killing had no purpose, no reason or rhyme
he was a friend of mine

he died out in the cold
he died out in the cold
the hate that fueled his murder is a story often told
he died out in the cold

he never knew my name
he never knew my name
though i never met him, i knew him just the same
he was a friend of mine

there but for fortune go you or i....
tim

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 10:39:20 -0600
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"shaming" is tied for first place with rites of passage, in my opinion. i
have to say that i hated caramia at first but after hearing alive version,
began to play it over and over and now really like it. i think that what
might throw somepeople about it is that it seems like an amy song in some
ways. written on electric guitar, bizarre imagery that follows no coherent
pattern, screamy stuff, its a different side of emily, which i personbally
think is very cool. i like how a and e are both growing. also, i love
dgtgag. i think the simplicity of the lyrics clears the way for the emotion
to take 'center stage'.

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 09:39:09 -0700
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> on her door was written "that faggot deserved to
> die/who's next?" this is the second incident in three weeks (the first was
> on my door, which said "gay's (sic) die of aids" and a couple of other
> lovely illiterate and ignorant remarks) and the two incidents constitute the
> first gay-bashings since my freshman year (and i'm a senior now)

this seems like as good a time as any to send a plea to all of you gay and
sraight but not narrow out there to go out and vote this november. many races
esp. in ca are very polarized between a republican that is anti-gay and
anti-abortion and a democrat that is pro-choice and liberal about gay rights
issues. republicans are very close to getting a filibuster majority which would
allow them to block off any discussion of the issues.
check out http://www.lwv.org/elect.html . it's the web site of the league of
women voters and it has info on local candidates.

polls are showing that one of the side effects of the clinton/starr debacle is
that republicans are going to vote in greater numbers.

you do the math.

monique

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 10:33:23 -0500
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can't make out your "e" addy..it keeps comin back to me
i found out the jt will fit on one 110 (which i swaped for one of your
90's) sooo
what do you want on your other 90...its a 2 for 1 deal..blue light
special day

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 10:48:35 -0500
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okay.  i hated sots when i first heard it.  i didn't even go see ig when
they came here because i wasn't interested in the new album.  now i love
it.  i listen to it a lot.  i absolutely love dgtgag.  it's incredibly
passionate.  it doesn't really matter to me what the lyrics are.  i like
the sound of it.  i also think this is some of emily's best stuff.
personally, i'm not real fond of the slow, introspective stuff (like 10,000
wars, gwtwotwihh, virginia woolf) and i like this new direction.  caramia
seems like two different songs to me...there's the beginning, which sounds
more like ordinary emily and the dream sequence which i think is
spectacular.  i don't really have a preference as to what the next album
should be like.  i just want it to get done!

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it's the keeping i could never do
but in this life of mine i never wanted anything
the way i want to keep you"
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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 10:53:37 -0600
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hi, i got your email and have been trying to answer but it keeps getting
sent back.

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 12:04:16 -0400
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on thu, 15 oct 1998, sheryl jones wrote:

> caramia seems like two different songs to me...there's the
> beginning, which sounds more like ordinary emily and the dream
> sequence which i think is spectacular.

didn't i read somewhere that it was composed as two different
songs and then put together???

tle
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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 11:12:52 -0500
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help!!! believe it or not i forgot to bring any ig music to work with me.
now i'm dying to hear some. aren't there any ig concerts online? thanks!

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 12:19:30 edt
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hi everyone,

why do strange thoughts come to one at 4 am? anyway, while listening to jcs
and amy's killer version of "gethesamane" i got to thinking about recent
conversations about vocal range and amy.

i'm on a mission to find amys highest note. i think i know where to look.

i invite you all to join me. so, start your comparative listening, name the
note and where to find it.

peace! indigo! etheridge!
kathleen

(oh yeah.. this works conversely with emily.. what is her lowest note)

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on 10/15/98 at 12:03:52 pm the lovely erin writes:
>didn't i read somewhere that it was composed as two different
>songs and then put together???

yes i do believe you are correct.....i remeber reading that too, but can
someone tell us where this info came from?

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i need to know the prices for the list t-shirts....i deleted that
post....thank you!

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 11:36:36 -0600
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it's sort of two songs in that the first part is personal and the second
part about the bridge and the shoes was taken from a dream that sara lee
had.

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on thu, 15 oct 1998, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:

> began to play it over and over and now really like it. i think that what
> might throw somepeople about it is that it seems like an amy song in some
> ways. written on electric guitar, bizarre imagery that follows no coherent
> pattern, screamy stuff, its a different side of emily, which i personbally
> think is very cool. i like how a and e are both growing. also, i love
> dgtgag. i think the simplicity of the lyrics clears the way for the emotion
> to take 'center stage'.

        same here.  i think it was this "departure" from the distinctiveness
of their earlier style, being the first i'd ever heard of amy and emily,
that got me so hooked once i (almost a year later) heard their earlier
material.  the first ig album i picked up after sots was 1200 curfews
(double live albums are always such nice broad samplings of an artist's
material), and i was definitely struck by the contrast these earlier
songs had, compared to the sots material.  but that only endeared them to
me more--i loved the diversity.
        for that matter, i really admire a&e for being willing to take such
a big risk with sots.  it takes a lot of courage to be able to step out
of your artistic niche that way.  in fact, in retrospect i think i might
respect them a lot less if they hadn't done with their music what they
did on sots.  it's not a true artist's responsibility to live up to their
(bad grammar, i know, but it's less awkward) fans' expectations, or the
critics', or anyone's--it's a true artist's responsibility to *live true
to the vision of how they see their own music and expression.*  don't get
me wrong, everyone is entitled to their opinion of the album, the music,
the difference.  but when it gets to the point where people are
saying--and i may be just interpreting this wrong, but i've heard it from
many people in regard to several singers--that "such-and-such
song/album/whatever isn't so great because it's just not the style i'm
used to hearing from so-and-so," i begin to have problems with that.  i
don't think it's fair for anyone to pigeonhole an artist, to try and keep
that artist in a musical niche.  i may be wrong here, but that's just my
opinion.  a lot of people said the same sort of thing about tori amos
recently, when she decided to work with a band on her latest album.  "but
she's abandoning her girl-with-a-piano image!  she's selling out!  this
isn't the tori we know!"  yet tori herself said that this was the
direction in which she wanted to go, that this was what she wanted to do
with her music.  she said (wisely, imo) that she thought she'd taken the
"girl-with-a-piano thing" about as far as it could go, and that she
wanted to see what a band could do with her music.  and a lot of the
people who had worried about what would happen to that "tori sound" once
the band came on the scene were surprised and wound up loving the new
material.  i think a lot of people also kicked up a fuss about the way
ani difranco's "little plastic castle" was something of a departure from
her older work.
        i'm starting to ramble again, so i'll cut this short.  i guess that
all i'm trying to say here is that if an artist is true to his or her ideals
and visions, then no matter how much experimentation goes on as his/her work
progresses, it's growth and a sign that they're taking their work and their
art seriously.  as someone pointed out the other day, bob dylan did plug in,
make a drastic change, and look how people regard him today.  if amy and
emily decide to go back to doing a "folkier" album, if they decide to go
grunge, if they suddenly release a cd done entirely on lutes and medieval
instruments, whatever, i'll still give it a shot.  and i'll admire them the
whole way for their courage, even if i don't like it.  there's nothing i can
think of that will make me lose my respect for them as artists now.
        (please note, this isn't meant to be a flame--this is just thoughts
that have been milling about inside my head for a while now.)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

first off, i want to publicly thank all the people who have been writing
me over the past week, whether to offer support (tim--i'm feeling much
better!) or to talk about how matthew shepard's murder has affected
them, or to discuss/commiserate about coming out fears. y'all amaze me.

shaming o da sun:
its funny, i didn't really like sots that much at first, either...i
remember sitting down to write a song by song critique for one of my
friends (which i neither finished nor sent)...the general theme being
that the lyrics (compared to so and rop), while more overtly political,
seemed a good bit less eloquent.  one of my initial reactions was "oh,
these are all their 'coming out' songs...all the stuff that didn't make
it onto the earlier albums."  i just didn't see the quality--none of the
lyrics really jumped out and tugged at my heart.  but then i kept
listening, and somewhere, a few weeks or a month later, the words and
the rhythms started to work their way deeper under my skin.  the amy
songs moreso than the emily ones--aside from everything in its own time,
i can't say that any of the emily songs on the album really jump out at
me...of course, i lived a lot of that summer burning on big gulps and
anger (the "all over me" soundtrack and "living in clip" also got some
pretty heavy playing time, as well as "devil moon" when that came
out)--cut it out fit the general mood scheme a lot better than, say,
"burn all the letters" (which i still don't like very much).

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 10:16:24 -0700
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on thu, 15 oct 1998, indigo head wrote:

> if the girls came out with a new album, would i buy it?...
>
> hell yeah!
>
> i'd probably skip class to get to the record store just to buy it the
> second the store opened on the release day!

        same here.  :)
        *cough* *cough*
        "sent me skippin' my class and runnin' from school . . . "
        i haven't been awake three hours yet and i've already come up with
at *least* 4 ig quotes that hit the nail (like with a hammer?  as in
"hammer and a nail?") right on the head when it comes to things running
through my mind . . .
        no, really, i'm not obsessed . . . right, audra?  :}

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megan cristina wrote:
in response to
> <hmmm...you know, i'm beginning to wonder whether jill posts to this list
> enough....
> jendy, who hardly ever posts, and this is why...>
>
> well, that was kinda mean...maybe instead of mean, or angry, or flaming posts,
> some of the listees should just get used to using their "delete" key more
> often.

ok...how about this...maybe we should try addressing problems we have
with individuals by private e-mail? this is aimed more at jendy than
megan, since jendy felt the need to send us all that message rather than
dealing with jill privately, and since she addressed all of us, it only
seems fair that megan shared her response with all of us...
but anyway, my point is, if you have a problem with what one person is
doing, could you maybe leave the rest of us out of it?
peace,
sharoane, who is only posting this to the list because it seems to
be a constant problem

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on thu, 15 oct 1998, beccie lyon wrote:

> ps  does anyone else share the dream of amy ray riding up to them at work on a
> big white horse and carrying them off into the sun set????  just wondering if
> my day dreams were too demanding.  |:o)

been there, dreamed that, and then some. *sheepish*
(an apropos line from "ghost" comes to mind right about now . . .)

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i hate to answer this on the list but i have a problem with e-mail...my
phone was shut off because i owe bell atlantic a lot of money, so i
can't check my e mail from home. the problem is that i can only get mail
from ime.net and not send it out...i have to send my mail through my
school's server. don't ask...i don't really understand how i did all
this, but at least i did.
do not respond to my mail...start a new mail file to sharoane@ime.net
and it should get here just fine.
thanks!!
sharoane

sarah t. rosenblum wrote:
>
> hi, i got your email and have been trying to answer but it keeps getting
> sent back.

does anyone know if this is "live" like 1200 curfews, or is this simply a
compilation of songs???

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 13:27:32 -0500
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i'm going to have to put a freeze on requests for my compilation boot, or
any other boots for that matter, until i get caught up. don't worry it and
others will be available again after i catch my breath. thanks!

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 11:45:39 -0700
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off the top of my head, the highest note i can remember having heard from her
is when she sings the first set of "na na nas" in least complicated (the ones
behind "a boy and girl out holding hands on the street") in concert. she
generally doesn't sing into the microphone, or at least not directly into it,
and she grimaces pretty intensely to get that high.

on another note, i'm afraid i wouldn't buy an ig cd if it came out today ...
if i was dead. otherwise, no matter what my condition or circumstances, i'm
there.

doyle srader
director of forensics
arizona state university
(602) 965-5578

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http://www.public.asu.edu/~srader/debate.html

alison...need your email addy again - mom wants to say hi!!

sheri g
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copyright 1998 the associated press. the information contained in the ap news
report may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or otherwise distributed
without the prior written authority of the associated press.

congress condemns wyo. death

by darlene superville

.c the associated press

washington (ap) -- the house pledged thursday to fight prejudice and
intolerance as it voiced outrage over the beating death of a gay university of
wyoming student.

''we cannot lie down, we cannot bury our heads and we cannot sit on our
hands,'' said rep. barbara cubin, r-wyo., sponsor of a resolution that passed
by voice vote.

''we will not stand for the arbitrary killing of other people due to any
hateful act of intolerance,'' added cubin, whose two sons knew the 21-year-old
victim.

matthew shepard died monday at a colorado hospital, five days after being
found pistol-whipped and tied to a fence post in near-freezing temperatures
outside laramie, wyo.

rep. diana degette, d-colo., a co-sponsor, said protection is needed for gays
and lesbians who live their daily lives in fear of being violently attacked or
killed.

''matthew shepard's murder proves their fear is not unjustified,'' she said.

president clinton, meanwhile, opened a white house conference on school
violence thursday by calling once more for a new hate crimes law and by
ordering the education department's civil rights office to step up its
enforcement to stop discrimination and harassment of students.

''we have got to do more to teach our young people to have tolerance and
respect for one another,'' the president said.

shepard's death has become a rallying point for gays and lesbians across the
country seeking state and federal protections against discrimination based on
sexual orientation.

legislation pending in the house and senate would broaden existing law to
include offenses motivated by gender, disability and sexual orientation. it
also would make it easier for federal authorities to prosecute such bias
crimes.

democrats and republicans urged congress to act swiftly.

''may the meaning of his life be that we pass a hate crimes act in this
congress before we leave,'' house minority leader dick gephardt, d-mo., said
of shepard.

the bill is h.res. 597.

ap-ny-10-15-98 1410edt

ok - got a question for you - *grin*

in back together again - my favorite line is 'if you wanna know the
secret behind the smile - ya gotta ask a tuesadys child'....so -
tuesday's child - what exactly are they talking about? i mean i have
my own little explanation of what it means - and when i play this song
- i sing that line really loud...heehee - but im just curious if
anyone knows what it *really* means...?

cool. thanks.

take it easy -
sunny

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on thu, 15 oct 1998, sunny wrote:

> ok - got a question for you - *grin*
>
> in back together again - my favorite line is 'if you wanna know the
> secret behind the smile - ya gotta ask a tuesadys child'....so -
> tuesday's child - what exactly are they talking about? i mean i have
> my own little explanation of what it means - and when i play this song
> - i sing that line really loud...heehee - but im just curious if
> anyone knows what it *really* means...?

        i believe the compilation of cover songs (and the two original
songs, one of which was "back together again") that they recorded
together back in high school in amy's basement was called "tuesday's
children."  i've been wondering a lot about this myself and i think it
has to do with the old nursery rhyme that goes
        "monday's child is fair of face,
         tuesday's child is full of grace,"
         etc. 'cause i don't remember the rest.

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how about on virginia wolfe? "but it's alright.........." piercingly high, in
ig terms.

doyle srader wrote:

> off the top of my head, the highest note i can remember having heard from her
> is when she sings the first set of "na na nas" in least complicated (the ones
> behind "a boy and girl out holding hands on the street") in concert. she
> generally doesn't sing into the microphone, or at least not directly into it,
> and she grimaces pretty intensely to get that high.
>
> on another note, i'm afraid i wouldn't buy an ig cd if it came out today ...
> if i was dead. otherwise, no matter what my condition or circumstances, i'm
> there.
>
> doyle srader
> director of forensics
> arizona state university
> (602) 965-5578
>
> for more information about debate at arizona state:
> http://www.public.asu.edu/~srader/debate.html
>
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for those of you who have the 9:30 club boot from washington,dc 8/10/98,
or who will have it, watch out for this: (thanks jude!)

amy(singing): "so if i don't make kakadu---"(blood-curdling scream by
audience member) "i'll be at the rainbow room" (you can actually hear
amy smile while singing)

"gone again", the song ends, and audience clapping/cheering.

emily: "thanks y'all, that's amy's song."
a: "emily's on solo..."
a: "alright we have an australian in the audience."
e: "i wanna ask you if you're okay."
(crowd screams/laughs/claps.)
e: "excuse me - i've never heard anybody scream like that."
(laughter)
a: "you're not really from australia, or is it just--you just--"
e: "--feel good."
screamer: "i'm going there."
a: "oh, you're going there--"
e: "oh, you saw us there--"
s: "we were there--"
a: "oh, okay, so you know all the places we're talking about."
s: "yeah."
e: "does your throat hurt?
                          (laughter)
e:                                   "that's amazing."
                                                      (more laughter)
s: "play more."                   woooo! woooo!
e:              "okay.  alright."
(the familiar tune of galileo starts.)
                          end

okay, it's not that great without the audio, but i think it's cute!

diane - who was playing sots while reading all the mail about it, and
didn't like sots that much either at first, but appreciates now the
intensity and political themes more now...and of course, can't get
enough of emily's "eternal optimism" and amy's fierceness.

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amy: alright i see a sign. it says: "what's a tuesday's child?" monday's
child is full of...what's tuesday's child?

emily: it's from our high school days.

amy: we used to play at this bar when we were in high school called "good old
days" and we had to get our parents' permission...played every tuesday night.
our...uh...i think it was my senior...no my junior year, your senior year.

emily: she's not even listening. she wants a pick!

amy: oh, she just wants a...forget it!

emily: she doesn't care about the question. here's a sing-a-long.

amy: now you want a guitar pick too? [laughs] i'm just kidding. we're
heckling you. we're heckling you cause it's halloween...

binghamton, ny
10/31/97

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is cry, cry, cry actually out yet? i guess i could check on the net
also - is anyone really familar with the author nancy mairs, she has written
several books that are catagorized as women's studies books and one
definitely that deals with disability, i know she probably has email (she
wrote in her book that she has a published number) i'm not looking for that
sort of information, more if you have seen a reading, ect. maybe a tape (to
hear a writer's voice adds an dimention to the work, my justification. if
she has an audio book - let me know.

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i wrote:

> okay, here's a question: if the indigo girls came out with a brand new album
> today, would you buy it?
>
> discuss!

what i *meant* to write was this:

"if the indigo girls came out with a brand new album today, but through some
distribution error it was only available in uganda, and you couldn't catch a
plane or a steamer, would you immediately and without compunction rip off your
clothes, jump headlong into the ocean and start swimming?"

see, that's what i meant to write, but my fingers slipped.

with tongue planted in cheek, even though i hate that saying,
j u s t i n

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the rest of the rhyme goes like this:

monday's child is fair of face.
tuesday's child is full of grace.
wednesday's child is full of woe.
thursday's child has long to go.
friday's child is loving and giving
saturday's child is works hard for a living
and the child that is born on the sabbath
is blithe in spirit and merry and gay.

hope this helps!

smiles,
allison

okay...i love this album!! but it took me a really long time to like it...

i really love emily's stuff....but, it took me a really long time to like
those two...this album has a really special place in my life...and this is
going to sound lame, but over the past two years i haven't been quite
right...i wasn't centered, couldn't figure out what the hell was so
amiss...so, anyway, to make a long story short, i was coming to terms with the
fact that i am gay--and i'm so damn happy now that it's unfrickin'
believable...who woulda ever thought...anyways, somehow i always surrounded
myself with the most homophobic friends and it was really....uncomfortable,
b/c i didn't know why i was so hurt by it at the time and frustrated too...at
the time i was really questioning...well, not really, the little voice in my
head would come out and be like "hey, here i am!!  look at me!!  listen to
your heart!!"  and i would laugh nervously and run back into my lil' ol closet
which i thought was pretty damn comfy!  i think i had to sing "it's alright"
five million times to feel comfortable saying that i'm gay....that little
phrase hate me cuz i'm different...hate me cuz "i'm gay"....and my roommates
would just think i was singing the song and not bug me...so that's why i love
this album....that and i have to love "caramia"  or as i like to envision the
spelling "karamia..." and i love everything in its own time...and i love get
out the map....everything is just so, damn great! i didn't like the sound of
shame on you at first...too rockish...but, now i love that one too...this
album has introduced me to whole new realm of guitar jammin'...since i've
gotten into stevie ray vaughn....ahhh....great fingers....anyway.....what
struck me as odd, was that i didn't really like much of amy's new
stuff...except for sb...loved sb....but, i'm still not an sys, cio, hkf
fan...but i love dgtgag...so, i don't know...but, i'm off to freeze my butt
off in the good ol' boundary waters of northern minnesota....just wanted to
share just why i love sots...

peace,
kara....

i'm a newbie still just getting the hang of this list serve, but i am
loving it! just wanted to
say that i heard the ig's singing most of the music from sots in new
orleans more than a year before it was released and i new immediately
that i would love the album. i am a first year law student and have
always been very politically active...when i heard the lyric "funny i
thought we were on the same boat back in 1694" i could just tell this
one was written with me in mind. when all my friends bought the cd
and hated it i told them that it would grow on them and it has...all
of that music speaks to me (as all of their music has) and i can't
wait to follow them in whatever direction they go next. i love ig's
shana

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well, many of you already have. :)
after recieving some nice notes from y'all re my song for matthew, i
decided to bite the bullet (did somebody give me a gun? what?) and join
the list. i mean, my favorite artist is this rockin' chick named
"anidarig," but she doesn't have a mailing list. so i'll just hafta settle
for 3 separate ones... speaking of email discussion lists, if you'd like
to become a courtier in the little cyber castle, (very low traffic at the
moment, but quite friendly when we do post) just send me a note saying so.

technically i've posted already, thanks to kelly....hmmm, my first post to
the list and already nigc. not a good sign. well, i'll remedy that now:
sots took a while to grow on me, but now i love it, especially eiiotime,
it's alright, gotmap, & syskin played really, really loud. (their version
at newport ff, anyone? mmmmm) it's still not my favorite album, but it's
got some really good, heartfelt stuff on there.

it seems that a good number of my most respected artists came out with
albums recently which veer from what their fans are used to, causing
confusion and sometimes disappointment. ani's lpcastle...dar's end of the
summer (eots, eerily similer to sots, huh?)...tori's sftchotel...suzanne
vega's 9oodesire...liz phair's wcsegg...and of course sots.

it's so, i mean, oh, ma ga! like, why can't they be more like the spice
girls, who can churn out 3 albums in a year with the same predictable song
over & over? i mean, then you get consistency, you know what to expect,
and, i mean, it has to be good, because it's been #1! like, sometimes
these folky peoples confuse me? and they start to make me think? and i
wonder about my boyfriend, cuz we haven't had sex even though we've been
engaged for 6 years? and i think he's gay? and i think i'm gay? and is
that alright...?

ok, i think that's an adequate intro to my psyche for the time being.
hello to those of you from the darlist, who know that being in socal can
sometimes make this ct gal a little a little strange.
peace, arjuna

np (now playing) jess klein, wishes well diguised
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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 19:23:13 -0500
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jendy apologized profusely [immediately afterward] for posting her beef
to the list. i think she recognizes what she did.
let it go, people.

peace and forgiveness,

joan :-d

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 20:45:15 edt
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in a message dated 10/15/98 6:14:34 am est, glassd@math.upenn.edu writes:

<< emily's stuff is decent. it's some of her worst. >>

with imo, everything in it's own time. that song is one of my favorites of
em's.

jennifer

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 21:01:23 edt
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in a message dated 10/15/98 2:15:55 pm eastern daylight time,
sgb29641@email.csun.edu writes:

<< for that matter, i really admire a&e for being willing to take such
a big risk with sots.  it takes a lot of courage to be able to step out
of your artistic niche that way.  in fact, in retrospect i think i might
respect them a lot less if they hadn't done with their music what they
did on sots.  >>

i so agree!!!

i have to say it took a few listenings for sots to work its way into my blood
stream, but there were a few songs, like gotm, that hit me straight off the
bat! i was not lucky enough to have heard any of those new songs before the
cd came out, so it was all new to me.

there is one thing i have noticed about this new style of theirs, they are
having a blast! have you folks noticed that? last summer when i saw them at
msg, i was struck by how much fun they were having with the new music, and
later at the 3 lilith fairs i went it looked like they were very happy.

it is as if they are kids again, finding out how much fun r&r can be! i have
told friends it looks like there are playing in their parents garage! who was
at the nyc fleadh and saw a&e rock out at the end of go? it was truly breath
taking!

well, i am kinds tipsy, and i think this is long enough!

babs :-)

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hey justin will you pick me up on the way to the atlantic? i would really
appreciate it because i have no car right now and i would rather not run to
the ocean considering i am in the middle of texas and it takes days to drive
there much less run...
you know if this were true it would be the ultimate in indigo adventures.

arin

<< "if the indigo girls came out with a brand new album today, but through
some
distribution error it was only available in uganda, and you couldn't catch a
plane or a steamer, would you immediately and without compunction rip off
your
clothes, jump headlong into the ocean and start swimming?" >>

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hey everybody!!  my boyfriend and i got engaged on friday and you'll
never believe it:  he programmed a bunch of music so that ig power of
two came on when the ring came out!!  i think i'll keep him!

just wanted to let people know who would appreciate how awesome it
was!

hello everyone. i must say to you all that i think jendy was justified
in sending that message about jill. i know many who is tired of jill
starting so many flame wars, insulting so many people who do not deserve
it, and writing emails to the list just so that she will read it later
and smile. it is not fair to attack jendy for saying that which so many
feel. she apologized for it anyway, and i do not think that she should
apologize. i know her, and i think she is a nice person. i met her at a
concert here and she was very nice to me. when i sent a mail first to
this list, i got a email from jill and she insulted me for no reason. i
also got a email from jendy and she told me welcome to the list. that is
the difference. i have seen it many times on this list when jill attacks
the opinion of people on this list. so why should not someone attack
her? does she not deserve to get that which she gives out? i think she
does. so please stop calling jendy a bad or mean person. she is not. if
anyone is mean on this list for no reason, it is jill. thank you.

emilio hellerman

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hi everyone- i'm back on the list again if anyone remembers me- i was:
turtlecg.  but anyways i don't know when cry cry cry is being released
but i do know that they are touring california soon to promote the
record cause i'm going to one of the shows.  & regarding the back
together again conversation- i love that song!!!!  it reminds me of camp
so i sing it "if you want to know the secret behind the smile you got to
ast a winacka child"- cause that's the name of the camp :)  but anyways
it's nice to be back on here- bye now-

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>is cry, cry, cry actually out yet? i guess i could check on the net
>also - is anyone really familar with the author nancy mairs, she has
written
>several books that are catagorized as women's studies books and one
>definitely that deals with disability, i know she probably has email
(she
>wrote in her book that she has a published number) i'm not looking for
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>sort of information, more if you have seen a reading, ect. maybe a tape
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>hear a writer's voice adds an dimention to the work, my justification.
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>she has an audio book - let me know.
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i've been listening to the 9:30 club boot the past couple of days, and it
sounds to me like emily says "i'll soon be *to* nothing, but i don't know
when." i've seen a couple other people type out the lyrics and they both
just had "i'll soon be nothing...." so i'm just wondering if i'm hearing
things or if someone else has noticed this, too...

~kendra, who is so happy to finally hear new emily stuff :)
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yup, it's out. came out on tuesday. after a couple of listens i think that
i like it. i need to listen to it someplace other than my office, though,
for a true sense.

lisa

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"ran as hard as i could, still ended up here."
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i know many who is tired of jill
>starting so many flame wars, insulting so many people who do not deserve
>it, and writing emails to the list just so that she will read it later
>and smile.

didn't we agree to discuss issues w\ individual people via private mail?
and yes.....i am breaking that rule right now.....just to say this:

>if anyone is mean on this list for no reason, it is jill. thank you.

i don't think i've ever seen jill be mean...insulting, whatever...."for no
reason"...
....now granted i may not have experienced her wrath via private mail the way
emilio has...... maybe jill really is a horrible vicious person who has
mislead many on this list into believing her to be funny, intelligent,
*nice*....but i doubt it.
if you don't like someone's posts, utilize your handy-dandy delete
button.....no one forces you to read mail from someone who is so darn
"mean....for no reason"!!!!!!

emily:)

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hi everyone~~

i've thought about this topic for awhile, and since we are vaguely discussing
sots, (in the same way we're vaguely discussing every other album) i feel
like i can be justified in saying it is a somewhat relative subject.

i listen to shaming of the sun, and i hear and feel in it a theme.  maybe.
maybe theme is the wrong word, but what i get out of this album is that it
tells a story, from song one all the way to the end.   as one of my favorite
people says,  (a wise person, by the way)  "everything is relative"

so the story of shaming of the sun, from beginning to end, is a typical
relationship. or maybe even an atypical relationship. (i'm fresh out of a
relationship, and it's difficult to say that any are typical. . .)

let me just jump right on in here.

track 1)  shame on you ~~pre-relationship days.  know how when you're single,
you "go down to the riverside, take off your shoes"  and "dolittle all day" ?
this is the song that epitomizes what life is like without having someone to
come home to.   amy has plenty of time on her hands to focus on her political
activism, which is most likely always present, but nevertheless, might get
spread a little thin when  there's someone at home.
track 2)  get out the map ~~ this is clearly about a brand new relationship.
emily states, "i'm gonna love you good and strong while our love is good and
young"  and then concedes, "this perfect moment will soon be leaving me"
(after all she learned that lesson in least complicated, "the next time i
fall, i'm gonna have to recall, it isn't love, it's only something new"  and
she did indeed recall.)
track 3) shed your skin ~~ amy's song illustrates the first hints of doubt,
could this be real, etc, when she states "let's call it the fullness of time,
i don't know what that is. . . tell me it's holy, holy, i don't know what that
is"   and then she releases a very familiar emotion in the line, "i'm speaking
in tongues, handling you"  i mean, of course the snake allusion is there, but
it also implies that she's telling the recipient of her love, her new found
affection, that maybe she is "speaking in tongues"  kind of saying what is
understood, rather than what she would say if she had access to her native
language.  which is certainly unavailable at times, especially when one is
swamped with all the new feelings.
track 4)  it's alright ~~ very feel-good song.  feeling real good about things
in this relationship, the peak of the whole thing.  "seems easier to push than
to let go and trust"  doesn't it?  when you're in a relationship, you have to
battle your own past experiences, and often it's hard to let go, and say "it's
alright"
track 5)  caramia~~a complex song, which basically says you know, i really
love you, and for that reason, i want what's best for you, regardless.  "some
say your genius is in your madness, will you get better?  and then will you
leave us?"
track 6)  don't give that girl a gun ~~  something happened in the
relationship, and somebody's pissed
track 7)  leeds ~~ in starkville, ms in concert, em said this song was written
when she hated the world.  so this is the beginning of the end, it's about
dealing with the sadness that comes after the anger. "before the last ounce of
my spirit bleeds onto the pristine sheets of the hotel bed in leeds"
track 8)  scooter boys ~~  "here i sit in the land of plenty, crying about my
own virginity"  dealing with the breakup in a way that she is angered about
her grief, after all, there's so much out there, how can my heart ache be this
monumental, amy will not be complacent.  heehee
track 9)  everything in it's own time ~~ loosely, this implies accepting the
presented dish
track 10) cut it out ~~  amy's way up in alaska, going on with her life,
pondering the happenings of her forsaken person, "i'm practicing politics,
you're practicing guitar and staying out late"  and says, basically, ok, it's
over, can we stop treating each other like shit?  "cut it out, i'm tender,
give me something good to remember"
track 11)  burn all the letters ~~ emily pleads with the former lover, through
this song, let's not fictionalize the way things were, let's not take things
out of context.   "send it back before the public eye perverts it in the
reading"
track 12)  hey kind friend ~~ a resolution.  we knew each other, and so
therefore, we still know each other, in a sense.  "help me remember who i a-a-
am"    it's a somewhat friendship, a shadow, but still a resolution, the anger
and the sadness, and the lying, and mistrust are over, and this is an attempt
to salvage  what is salvagable, even though amy isn't sure if enough is
salvagable to worry with, "so i'll meet you in new orleans, or i'll see you
round, cause i don't know if it's worth coming down. . . i'm ok friend"

that's it.  on another note, as far as the favorite cd thing, i can't choose,
although i'm partial to well, none.  but when i first heard swamp ophelia
(swam to uganda to get it the day it was released)  i hated it.  same thing
with shaming of the sun.  but now i love every word of every song, it only
took me a week with swamp, and 3 days with shaming of the sun.   both times, i
ranted and raved about how the girls had sold out, and then when i actually
got my head out of one of my bodily orifices, i grew to appreciate and adore
the new songs.  change is difficult sometimes.

opinions welcome, debate and thoughtful flamage encouraged~~

~summer~

"there i am in younger days, star-gazing, painting picture perfect maps, of
how my life and love would be. not counting the unmarked paths of
misdirection, my compass, faith in love's perfection, i missed 10 million
miles of road i should've seen." ~~emily saliers

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 23:39:05 edt
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shanie.....

wonderful post.....as a musician i know the stagnation that sets in when an
artist plays it safe.....the great ones always push the envelope.....and to my
mind amy and emily are two of the greatest.....

peace & harmony,
tim

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 23:35:16 -0700
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i was wondering if anyone knows html code that can help me with my web
page. i do not want you to do it, but help me do my own. i have some done
already, but i want to update it with some ig stuff, cris williamson and
tret fure stuff and stuff on abuse, but have no ideas or how to do it. any
one that can help cool. if not cool.

anyone have ibm executive via voice disk? if so do you know how much the
extra adapter cost? just wondering since i have to purchase it for it to
work.

ig content. the one who took shirt orders my check went out to you today
and everyone i am working on your tapes just bare with me. i am depressed
right now due to the fact i have to deal with child hood abuse now and i am
doing them in the middle of reading my html books and my courage to heal
book.

ig content. when are they coming out with a new album? missy

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"burn all the letters" is awesome. won't hear otherwise. nope nope nope.

doyle srader
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> okay, here's a question: if the indigo girls came out with a brand
new album
> today, would you buy it

the only question where duh! seems most appropriate! i think we all
would...i mean they could do a whole album covering..i dunno johnny cash
and debbie gibson (*l*) and i would buy it!!!

*hugs*

lamia

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in a message dated 98-10-15 18:58:26 edt, asl@umcs.maine.edu writes:

> is cry, cry, cry actually out yet? i guess i could check on the net

yep, the new dar williams/richard shindell/lucy kaplansky (cry,cry,cry -
otherwise known as c3) album of covers was released this past tuesday. i got
mine at border's - have only listened once but liked what i heard!

maureen

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fuck! now you have made me really angry. it doesn't happen often, but
when it happens, it ain't pretty...

this list is not to bash jill!  people who haven't even met her are making
accusations and it is not fair!  jill is not a bad person, and some of us
like her posts.  if i am forced to read another "anti jill" post, i am
going to scream!

karen

oh yeah, and if you flame me let me assure you that you will be wasting
your time since my delete key works really well...

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reading all the posts about favorite albums and songs, i'm struck by the
variations.  it's clear to me that my favorite songs other people aren't
thrilled by and vice versa, whereas with a lot of other bands, they release
their best stuff and everyone seems to agree that it is their best stuff.  but
then, when they get successful, well, so many get into formulas..... but our
girls, well, no formulas!  i really loved the guitar-only stuff, but they
aren't going to be limited to that.  and they go and play the same song
different ways at different concerts, experimenting the whole time.  the end
results of experimentation are going to be some awesome successes, but some
stuff isn't going to really work too.  clare likes the version of "land of
canaan" done first, with some twangy instrumentation, and i like the one with
just the guitars.  and i happen to absolutely love "it's alright" and
"everthing in its own time" from sots.  i haven't answered the questions about
favorites because i can't choose.  oh well.
freida.

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date:         thu, 15 oct 1998 21:07:21 pdt
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>>emily's stuff is decent. it's some of her worst.

nothing could make history of us look good...caramia and burn all the
letters..everything in its own time..are all brilliant just in a
different way. emily is just taking her raging, beautiful emotions, and
turned them into a river instead of a stream. she's moving not just
slowly trickling over stones..i think it's as beautiful as ever. it's
not all ghost and language or the kiss caliber..but then neither is
anything else.

*hugs*

lamia

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i have a question about that song on jcs.  and i was blown away when i
realized that was amy way up there!  the lyric is "then i was inspired, now
i'm sad and tired  i'm not as sure as.....what???   i can't make out that line
and it's making me crazy.  i'm hoping to get the video and maybe i can read
her lips, but in the mean time.....
the whole amy-as -jesus idea just gave me a whole new take on amy and jesus.
i don't know what that means.
freida.

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 00:11:32 edt
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10/15/98
central coast productions
arlington theater
santa barbara ca
805-963-4408
8:00 p.m.

10/16/98
abstract entertainment
recreation hall/uc-davis
davisca
916-923-2277
8 pm

10/17/98
center arts
eureka municipal auditorium
eurekaca
707-826-3928
8:00 p.m.

10/19/98
univ. of oregon cultural forum
silva hall
eugeneor
541-687-5000
8:00 p.m.

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 00:12:29 -0700
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hey all, glad to see the semi-annual igc argument is finally trailing
off... since there's been a lot of discussion of sots i wanted to throw
in my 2 cents.  i really like the album, especially because of amy's
songs.  i love shed your skin, dgtgag, cut it out and scooter boys.
well, anyway, i've never totally understood dgtgag.  i get the meaning
but i'm not sure if it has to do with something that actually happened
to amy, or someone else.  is it really about a trial?  i guess it's not
really important but i'm just curious.  oh, my favorite line has always
been "why can't we come together? she said, i doubt we ever will again"
that's really hard hitting...

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 00:26:19 edt
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hey kind friends.....

at last count i was on at least 13 different mailing lists devoted to music,
but none of the other lists remotely compare to this one in my
estimation.....this list is special in the same way that amy and emily are
special......i have met so many wonderful, caring people through this
list.....friends i never would have met save for our common love of the music
that the girls have given us, and our common interest in the social concerns
that the girls champion.....

i have saved hundreds of posts from this list that have touched me deeply in
the time i've been subscribed.....in the past week alone there have been a
number of posts that moved me to tears for one reason or another.....and there
have been some great posts on the sots thread that i have enjoyed reading
immensely.....

and to the sometimes vocal minority who don't get it....shame on you!!!!!

to the rest.....

peace, love, and harmony.....
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i don't know who on this list has experienced jilly's wrath via =
**private** email, nor do i know for what reason. i do, however, know =
that i have never seen jilly attack someone in such a vicious manner, =
either with or without cause, publicly on the list. if she has ever had =
anything to say to anyone (and yes, that does include me folks) she has =
respect enough for other people to take it private. =20

i'm not going to stand by and watch my friend get totally trashed by a =
bunch of people who don't know her and don't have any respect for her =
feelings. if i see one more anti-jilly post to this list, i'm going to =
make my wrath well-known to the guilty party - and jill may be an =
accomplished wrather, but she's got nothing on me. leave jill alone!

now look at that, i've posted twice in one week and been irascible both =
times. you guys are gonna get the wrong impression of me. *glower*

~~jennifer
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too many things on my mind
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when i leave i don't know what i'm leaving behind...
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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 00:36:18 edt
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beccie wrote:
"ps does anyone else share the dream of amy ray riding up to them at work on
a
big white horse and carrying them off into the sun set???? just wondering if
my day dreams were too demanding."

i had a crazy dream one night.
i can't believe that i am going to share it with you all.. but i know that
only true ig fans will appreciate this silly dream!
i had a dream that i was in san francisco (night time) and walking up a steep
hill (road) holding a huge sheet cake. on it , it said " happy birthday amy"
well i came up on... guess who.... you guessed it amy! she came to me with
open arms and i put the cake down ( on the sidewalk mind you) and gave her a
big hug.<melt> behind me was a victorian house the phone was ringing, amy
said, (in a husky voice only she has) "hey, maybe we should answer that?" we
went in the front door and were trying to find the phone finally i found it
and answered it only to find the line dead. amy walked up toward me and
pointed behind me. the walls behind  me were on fire.... i said, " what a
strange fire"  then quickly amy grabbed a chair and shoved it threw the
window.... then she held out her had to me and said... " you and me babe...
how about it...?" well at that point we jumped out the window and saved
ourselves from near death. the she said, " well krista, i should be
going..it's been great  gotta go..." then she kissed me <sigh> and i woke
up...
what a dream...and i remembered the entire thing.....
*indigo dreams to you all!
<3 krista

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just wondering.. ill be in the atlanta and athens area this weekend, looking
at colleges, and i am going to michelle malones show that sat evening.. just
seeing if any fellow listees will be there??? email me and lemme know!  oh,
and ab this jill thing, come on now, how bout this :  every time you feel like
typing something mean about a listee, just say it ten times to yourself..
let's all work together to keep this a happy place... we do love those indigo
girls, right?  smiles.. and no harm intended..
have a wonderful weekend all,
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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 00:21:38 pdt
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hey-lo!

sots...i really did not like listening to sys until after i heard amy
perform it on the ss tour--and when she quoted it during the "love is a
flow thang" siberry song in chicago...that piqued my interest. i think
that the reason i like ig, is that their lyrics aren't easy to
understand--sometimes random poetry that is cryptic, like reading a
story or seeing a movie over and over again, and catching insights that
flew over one's head the first or second time around.

it is so amusing to me to read about the arguments about nigc and the
flames 'cause i'd like "to take life less seriously".(like tim, i love
this list and the listees) it makes me laugh outloud to hear about
underwear (my brother peeked over my shoulder when i was reading a post
'bout ig boxers). anyway, here's a *hug* to jill. thanks amy swenson
for organizing the t-shirt thing.

for the record, i was born on a tuesday morning at 1:14am!

loving 'tuesday's children', diane - whose mom said "did i just hear
winnie the pooh [in house on pooh corner]?" when i was playing the boot
and was tickled that her mom was listening to the lyrics.

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hey y'all....

it's really unfortunate that this particular situation has developed regarding
an individual who spends a lot of time and effort posting to this list.....a
person i consider a friend....

to disagree with someone's opinion is one matter.....to personally attack an
individual publicly on a list such as this, which aims to a higher purpose, is
totally unconscionable.....

the whole unpleasant matter was started by an individual under severe stress
who has since recanted and apologized.....anyone who prolongs the matter
cannot claim that excuse.....

please....anyone who has enjoyed jill's posts, take a moment to e-mail her
privately and tell her so.....

peace,
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actually folks, i screwed up the lyric in question (in my question at least).
it comes really early in the song: "i only want to say....if there is a
way... take this cup away from me for i don't want to taste its poison...i
have changed... i'm not as sure as.?????what????????????then i was
inspired......" and now it's not only making me crazy, but my neighbors who
have to listen to me try to figure it out... they would appreciate it if
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        hi all . . . don't know if this will get to everyone in time, but
the human rights campaign has organized a web blackout for today, the
16th, the day of matthew shepard's funeral.
http://gayplace.com/m_shepard.html has more details about it, if you have
the time/ability to still participate.  also, i blacked out all of my
webpages as well, and you're more than welcome to copy my source code and
use it if you're pressed for time.  (just make sure you change the url
in the "to access original page" link first!)
http://members.xoom.com/cornflakegrl/ is one of 'em.  where does the igc
come into this?  well, at the bottom of my blacked-out page i included
the amy "i will not be complacent" soc that sarah quotes in her email
signature.  i figured it fit.  but like i said, that's very little igc . .
. at any rate, participate if you can/wish to . . .

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 08:30:59 -0400
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lamia said:

"nothing could make history of us look good...caramia and burn all the
letters..everything in its own time..are all brilliant just in a
different way."

oh my goodness...history of us is one of my favefavefave emily
songs...whereas i'm still not sure if i even like caramia. it depends on
the day...no accounting for taste. i'm kidding!!!!!!!!!!!! :) no it just
is another testament to how diverse a group we -really- are...

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of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

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just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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did anyone ever figure out what the significance is of the silver fish
with the orange snowflake superimposed on it on the black waffle-knit ig
shirt? i know someone asked a while back...

kris, who is still amazed at the wonders a 12 oz. can of mountain dew
can do so early in the morning. sugar and caffeine, what more do you
need? :)

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my gf and i were on our way on a road trip and she picked up the album that
day and we had a new "road trip" album ~ another we could memorize! as we
were driving to the freeway we were listening to shame on you. once we got on
the freeway and all situated, "get out the map" came on. it was perfect~ what
a perfect road trip song!
i loved the first 4 songs, right off the bat. caramia.... still hasn't grown
on me, i don't know why, i suppose i haevn't given it much of a chance. i did
listen to it on an online concert and i liked it. but i must say that i love
this album, although it doesn't quite rate up there with the others (for me),
but i love them all for every feeling and emotion they bring out in me. if
they came out with something and no one liked i would still buy it. even
though i don't like something initally that doesn't mean that i wont like it
later on and appreciate the hell out of it later.
anyway..... i love everything they put out....even if i don't like it.

peace*
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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 09:48:46 -0700
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from:         elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
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> i'm on a mission to find amys highest note.

two things: amy hits a high note on everything's all right, fronm jcs,
during the phrase "when im gone" which comes after "you'll be lost,
you'll be so sorry"

second thing - this next para is nigc, so feel free to delete, but i
have to gush.  i'll just give you a very condensed version of our
conversation.  last night i was talking to my daughter jackie, who is
16, about the matthew shepard death.  she said "mom, i never relized how
hard society makes it for a gay person to be gay.  aren't you afraid to
let people know that you are gay?"

me- no - i've never felt any immediate danger

jackie - (very excitedyly and in a very loud voice) but no gay person is
safe as long as those horrible values and thoughts still exist in
society!

she just blew me away - she really gets it! i mean, she wasn't profound
or anything or didn't say anything that we don't already know, but just
once in a while she lets me get a glimpse of the intelligent and caring
young woman struggling to emerge, and it is so cool and rewarding to
see that! sorry to ramble on, but i am so proud of her.

elaine

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 08:25:19 -0600
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the line is "i'm not as sure as when i started."

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i asked about the significance and would still like to know too.

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dgtgag is about amy's breakup. however, she wanted to be slightly political
so put it in the context of a (to quote her) "tip of the hat" to gun
control.

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> jackie - (very excitedyly and in a very loud voice) but no gay person is
> safe as long as those horrible values and thoughts still exist in
> society!

elaine, congratulations on raising a great daughter. i just figured out
something about gay bashings. seeing the post about sarah's friend who got a
threat on her door made me realize this. i just realized that most of the
people who go out at night looking for trouble and end up getting together
in groups to entrap gay folks and beat them up, don't even really hate us.
they're bullies, the type that used to make the small kids and the ones that
were different feel miserable in school, for no good reason, just because
they could. they only attacked the weak ones, the ones that did not have a
strong support structure and they still do. these folks have been given a
target to bully by the religious right (who controls the republican party at
a grass roots level in many areas of the country) and are doing their dirty
work for them. for a long time african americans were the prime target in
the south, illegal immigrants make the cut, mostly in the rhetoric at this
point, but gays have been the most acceptable designated target for a while
now.
why is this important? seems like in order to get past this phase we need to
understand where these people are coming from. this is the result of
appealing to the darkest side of human nature and giving it an outlet. it's
more powerful even than hate and the perpetrators are not directly
affiliated with the instigators. not sure what the solution is, but i feel a
real urgency to shut up the instigators by voting in november.

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high note:
hearing the jcs soundtrack i loved it. the range for amy was amazing and when
i finally got to purchase the video i was even more impressed. i want a live
version of it because let me tell you when i saw the expression on amy's face
when she sang "i want to know i want to know my lord" in gethsemane i almost
lost my mind, not to mention what happened to other aspects of my anatomy. it
is an outstanding showcase of what amy is capable of (in case you have not
noticed i am an amy person, emily rocks too but ooooooooooohhhhhhh
amy....shuddering at the thought of that voice in my ear.......i digress i
know) .

and the message from elaine, you are raising one hell of a daughter there.
jackie sounds like a wonderful, well rounded, intelligent young woman. you
have every right to not only be proud of her but to also be proud of yourself
for the job that you are doing raising her. way to go elaine and
jackie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
peace love and light
beccie

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monique wrote:

<< these folks have been given a target to bully by the religious right (who
controls the republican party at a grass roots level in many areas of the
country) and are doing their dirty work for them. >>

guilt over sexual matters is one of the prime means by which organized
religion gains their power (and their financial base)..... i mean, if *impure
thoughts* are a sin, who among us beyond the age of puberty is immune????
sexual minorities are more than just a convenient target.....if the religious
right admits that it's ok for people to love each other, and to share that
love in an intimate manner, outside of the narrow confines of heterosexual
monogamy, they lose their ability to control people's minds (and fatten their
coffers)...... matthew's death is yet another indicator of the corruption
rampant in the reigning socio-political-economic order.....

peace,
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amy's low & high notes...i'm guessing they're in jcs, though i'm not sure where. i know some of her new songs, she gets down two or three notes lower than i can sing (and i can sing down to an e or e-flat)--the hounds of hell part at the end of faye tucker...that's what, a low c? (the one an octave below middle c)...egawds. as for high notes--the third "cut it out" (when she repeats that one line over and over) and the "aaaahhh-aaaahhhhhh" part at the end of faye tucker are pretty high. as for emily, eiiot (the aahhhh part), virginia woolf or airplane for high notes. not sure about low notes.

matthew shepard-i heard on npr this morning that the laramie city council passed an ordinance to ban picketing at the funeral...thank goodness.

list compilation tape-its not too late to join! if there are any listees still interested in contributing their poems/songs, or if you want to know more, e-mail me privately...

kelly hogan in chicago--for anyone in the area, she's playing at schuba's saturday 10/17 at 10:00 p.m.

take care y'all, okay?
shelley

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for those of you who might have missed it!

from usatoday online october 16th, 1998
city council bans protests at funeral

                 casper, wyo. - the casper city council banned protesters
from friday's funeral of a slain university of wyoming student, hoping to
prevent a spectacle at an event that an anti-gay church vowed to picket.
        during an emergency meeting late thursday, the council voted
unanimously to forbid protests before, during and immediately after the
funeral. matthew shepard, 21, died monday at a colorado hospital, five days
after being found pistol-whipped and tied to a fence in near-freezing
temperatures outside laramie. two 21-year-old men have been charged with
murder.  police said robbery was the primary motive but that shepard also
was singled out because he was gay.

the killing has drawn nationwide attention, including
president clinton's call for congress to pass legislation making it easier
for federal prosecution of hate crimes.

wyoming officials were bracing for the arrival of members
of a topeka, kan., church that regularly engages in anti-homosexual
picketing; they had planned to demonstrate at shepard's funeral. gov. jim
geringer has said officials cannot stop the group from westboro baptist from
coming to casper, but said their presence wasn't wanted.

police are using bomb-sniffing dogs to make sure the church
where services will be held is safe, mayor ed opella said. councilman paul
bertoglio said the council wants to keep the peace among protesters and take
the pressure off shepard's family and relatives.

"we've never faced this before," he said. "one of the
things we're trying to do, besides protecting those who want to protest on
both sides, is protecting family and relatives to allow them to breathe in
peace."

the ordinance bans people from picketing on sidewalks,
streets and other areas next to the memorial service. it prohibits
protesting on public property within 50 feet of the service.

"it's sad that we have to do this - that the sanctity of a
funeral is not upheld," councilman tim monroe said.

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 13:18:30 -0400
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ok y'all, i said something i should not have said, i admitted it, and i
apologized for saying it. case closed. again, i'm very sorry, jill. i should
have gone about this in a different way. feel free to post all you want, and
don't worry about me and others who feel the same as i. my delete key is
fully functional, and if i have to, i'll use the thing.

as for emilio, i don't know who he is, i've never met him, i don't recall
ever having written him an email, and i don't want him supporting me. to
those of you who have accused me of putting him up to this (and there were a
number of you), i'd just like to say that i did not, and would never, ask
anyone to speak on my behalf or to agree publicly with me, especially since
i already diffused the issue by apologizing. i didn't have to do that but i
felt it necessary and i wanted to. emilio did what he did on his own
volition, and i had absolutely nothing to do with it. that's all i'm going
to say about this issue. have a good day.

jendy

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i agree that sots does take a while to get use to. the first 3 songs are just
ok, kind of mainstream pop songs. sb and sys rocks!!! and though emily's songs
are not her best, lyrics from leeds, ehiot and caramia are still really good.
batl i still don't really like though.

my 2 cents

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 10:37:57 pdt
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let he who is without sin cast the first stone.
--jesus
christ, john 8:7

                        i hope that the blood of my passing
                        will cement your happiness.
                                                              --louis
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i found this posted on one of the melissa etheridge messgae boards. it's so
true.

<<chaplain's reflection

        i saw on the news today that matthew shepard died. he was the 22
year old man from wyoming who was beaten and tortured and left to die
for no reason other than he was a homosexual. this tragic murder has
raised a national debate again, the kind of periodic soul-searching our
society goes through whenever a crime of hate startles us into
awareness. the burning of black churches, the bombing of innocent
people, the death of a shy young man from wyoming: these events suddenly
shake us out of complacency and remind us that fear, prejudice and rage
are always the shadows just beyond the light of our reason. and so
people suddenly start to speak out. there are voices of outrage and
grief. voices of sorrow and demands to know why such a thing could
happen. and predictibly, there are also defensive voices: the governor
of wyoming trying to explain why his state has no laws to protect people
from hate crimes and the leadership of what is called the christian
"right wing" trying to explain why their national ads against
homosexuality don't influence people to commit such violence against
gays and lesbians. in the days to come, these many voices will fill our
media and the cultural consciousness it imprints until we are once again
lulled into the more familiar patterns of our lives, dozing off as a
nation until the next tragedy rings the alarm of despair.
        as the chaplain for our own community, i would like to invite us
all to consider matthew's death in another way. not through the clamour
or denials, not through the shouts or cries of anger: but rather,
through the silence of his death, the silence of that young man hanging
on his cross of pain alone in the emptiness of a wyoming night, the
silence that ultimately killed him as surely as the beatings he endured.
        silence killed matthew shepard. the silence of christians who
know that our scriptures on homosexuality are few and murky in
interpretation and far outweighed by the words of a savior whose only
comment on human relationships was to call us to never judge but only to
love. the silence of well meaning educated people who pretend to have an
enlightened view of homosexuality while quietly tolerating the abuse of
gays and lesbians in their own communities. the silence of our elected
officials who have the
authority to make changes but prefer to count votes. the silence of the
majority of "straight" americans who shift uncomfortably when confronted
by the thought that gays and lesbians may be no different from
themselves, save for the fact that they are walking targets for bigotry,
disrespect, cheap humor, and apparently, of murder.
        crimes of hate may live in shouts of rage, but they are born in
silence. here at trinity, i hope we will all listen to that silence.
before we jump to decry matthew's senseless death or before we seek to
rationalize it with loud disclaimers: i hope we will just hear the
silence. a young man's heart has ceased to beat. hear the silence of
that awful truth. it is the silence of death. it is the silence that
descends on us like a shroud. at trinity, as in wyoming, we are men and
women surrounded by the silence of
our own fear. our fear of those who are different. our fear of being
identified with the scapegoat. our fear of taking an unpopular position
for the sake of those who can not stand alone. our fear of social and
religious change. our fear comes in many forms but it always comes
silently. a whispered joke. a glance to look away from the truth. a
quick shake of the head to deny any complicity in the pain of others.
these silent acts of our own fear of homosexuality are acted out on this
campus every day just as they are acted out every day in wyoming.
through silence, we give ourselves permission to practice what we
pretend to abhor. with silence, we condemn scores of our neighbors to
live in the shadows of hate. in silence, we observe the suffering of any
group of people who have been declared expendable by our society.
        as a person of faith, i will listen, as we all will, to the many
voices which will eulogize matthew shepard. i will carry that part of
our national shame on my shoulders. but i will also listen to the
silence which speaks much more eloquently still to the truth behind his
death. i will listen and i will remember. and i will renew my resolve
never to allow this silence to have the last word. not for matthew. not
for gay men or lesbian women. not for any person in our society of any
color or condition who has been singled out for persecution. not in my
church. not in my nation. not in wyoming. and not at trinity college.>>

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wait just a minute...

no, screw that. i am not going to let you publicly stone me.

>date:  thu, 15 oct 1998 19:19:52 pdt
>reply-to: emilio hellerman <emilioh98@hotmail.com>
>from:  emilio hellerman <emilioh98@hotmail.com>
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>hello everyone. i must say to you all that i think jendy was justified
>in sending that message about jill. i know many who is tired of jill
>starting so many flame wars, insulting so many people who do not
deserve
>it, and writing emails to the list just so that she will read it later
>and smile. it is not fair to attack jendy for saying that which so many
>feel. she apologized for it anyway, and i do not think that she should
>apologize. i know her, and i think she is a nice person. i met her at a
>concert here and she was very nice to me. when i sent a mail first to
>this list, i got a email from jill and she insulted me for no reason. i
>also got a email from jendy and she told me welcome to the list. that
is
>the difference. i have seen it many times on this list when jill
attacks
>the opinion of people on this list. so why should not someone attack
>her? does she not deserve to get that which she gives out? i think she
>does. so please stop calling jendy a bad or mean person. she is not. if
>anyone is mean on this list for no reason, it is jill. thank you.
>
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on fri, 16 oct 1998, recidivist spice wrote:

> no, screw that. i am not going to let you publicly stone me.

everybody must get stoned!

sorry. i'm doing it again.

darius

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i just want to stick up for jill; she has great contributions to the
list, and i think everyone's opinion should be respected. ya'll just
get over it, okay? jill, you rock baby.
jeri

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 11:12:51 pdt
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emilio hellerman wrote:

>>i know many who is tired of jill starting so many flame wars,
>>insulting so many people who do not deserve it..if anyone is mean >>on
this list for no reason, it is jill.

*lmao* jilly is mean? all i have to say on that is speak for yourself.
but you're not speaking for the whole list..and certainly not me! jill
is one of the sweetest people on this list.

*hugs*

lamia

"i'm looking for my freaks."
-- beck

"i have a fascination for people. i don't like them all, but i have a
fascination with human nature."
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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 11:17:25 pdt
reply-to:     emilio hellerman <emilioh98@hotmail.com>
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subject:      i am not a liar
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jendy,

you say that you do not know me and make me look like a liar to all the
people on the list! i am not a liar! i have met you at the indigo girls
concert and you have emailed me! i do not lie and i do not appreciate
you saying that i lie! it is not right of you to do that! many many
people write me saying that you are a nice person, but you are not! you
are a bitch! i can defend who i want to defend and insult who i want to
insult! it is a free country to do so! do not tell me you do not know me
and call me a liar! i am a good person!

emilio hellerman

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 11:20:56 pdt
reply-to:     emilio hellerman <emilioh98@hotmail.com>
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everyone is writing to me and saying things that are not true. stop
sending me insults! i am a nice person! i do not want to cause trouble
in the list. it is wrong. so is sending mean letters to me for saying my
opinion. goodbye.

emilio hellerman

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 11:31:34 pdt
reply-to:     pretty silver girl <saliers_ray@hotmail.com>
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subject:      re: cry/cry/cry released? ? - nigc
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sorry if this has already been posted but cdnow has it:

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/sid=704504559/pagename=/rp/cdn/find/album.html/artistid=frn-cry+cry+cry/ddcn=sd-7999+82840+2

real audio! :) and they've got it for $12.99!
check it out!

*hugs*

lamia

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-- beck

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fascination with human nature."
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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 11:31:52 pdt
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have to share with someone!

i just got back from a lunchtime rally at the thompson center (here in
chicago) that was organized to protest gay bashing and hate crimes in
general.  i wasn't going to go (fear of being seen, fear of being "too
political").  then i went, and i wasn't going to talk...by the end of
the rally, i ended up speaking to the whole crowd (press & all), about
fear and silence and the voice i need to find and use as a lesbian and a
woman...which is one of the scariest things i've done in a long time
(i'm still shaking, and nowhere near composed enough to make this an
intelligible post).  but it feels good to have done something...even if
i'm still scared...which gets me to my igc (as if this weren't enough).
what songs inspire you to act up or speak out?  do any of you have a
song in particular that hit you as a personal call for action?  i'd be
interested to see.

take care, y'all...i'm off to drink some water and try to stop shaking.

peace,
shelley

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*giddy* oh my god..i'm going to die...they do "the kid"..this is the
best song i love this song! aaaaaaah!!!!!
check out this song ya'll..

*hugs*

lamia

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 14:38:55 -0400
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subject:      re: speaking up (or...things i've learned from amy and emily)
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shelley and all,

congrats on speaking out! a very scary thing, but oh so fulfilling...

songs to inspire:

hammer and a nail
let it be me
virginia woolf
you're aging well--dar williams
are you out there?--dar williams
the entire women of spirit compilation

i'm sure i can think up more as take the time to think about it. :)

hmmmm.....sounds like a theme for a mixed tape for the tape trading
thingy...:)

kelly

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 13:08:00 pdt
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subject:      from jill, about jill (very important, *please*)
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i know this is very long; however, i would appreciate it greatly if you
all would please read through it before deleting it. you have all heard
my name dragged through the mud; i would like a chance to exonerate
myself.
thanks for your time :)
-------------------

"when i have hate, i will turn my hate into energy.
when i have anger, i will turn my anger into energy.
when i am negative, i will be negative only for as long as i need to be,
until i understand it.
and then i will be positive."
--amy ray

you, sir, have committed a crime. it is called libel.
your insults are completely unjustified, and i am here to refute them.
every last one of them.
publicly. as that is the mode of communication you apparently prefer.

>jendy was justified in sending that message about jill.
right off the bat, let's clear this up:  this is no longer jendy's
issue.  she was under some great stresses, and i understand where she
was coming from.  emilio has now made this *his* issue.

>i know many who is tired of jill...
if you are "tired" of me, please privately drop me a line so that we can
civilly discuss it, in an adult-like manner. "adult-like" being the key
word. neither public vilification nor private insults count as such.

>...for starting so many flame wars,...
i do not start flame wars.  a flame war is when large numbers of people
are publicly flaming each other, wildly.  chaotically.  i have never
declared open season on someone (well, an *actual* person ;), so,
please, i won't hear anything more about the 666 girl) nor have i
enlisted the masses to throw pipe bombs publicly about.  please feel
free to search the list archives on this.

>...insulting so many people who do not deserve it,...
i do not "insult" people.  yes, it *is* true... i *am* human.  i get
angry.  yes, i am guilty of allowing someone to anger me.  and i *have*
let it be made known that i was angry.
but there is a definite difference between showing you're pissed; and
throwing a barrage of unjustified insults, accusations, and cruel
remarks at one single solitary person, in front of eight hundred people
as you have done.
in the past year, i have had a problem on two occassions  and the fact
that i even had a problem is very atypical of my netiquette. for as
uppity or insane as i appear in my posts, i do not treat people cruelly
"for no reason at all".  i do not derive joy from watching others
writhe.  if someone flames me, i write them back.  most always we
discuss. we settle.  we walk away.  i call to the stand
fendersac@aol.com as witness. ;)
it is ridiculous that i should have to say this, but i am beyond
paranoid right now... if someone has a longstanding issue with me,
please email me so it can be worked out.  amy p., i have an email for
you, sitting in my head.  lacking the right words and timing, i never
wrote it.  i will.

>...and writing emails to the list just so that she will read it later
>and smile.
why, yes, that i do. just *last week*, i sent this whopper (edited here
for brevity), which did in fact cause me to sit back and smile:

"...you guys (excepting maybe one or two out of
hundreds), from my experience, are truly *exemplary* people. it just
bowls me over, again and again, how giving and wonderful you folks
are....you have shown me how to be a great friend and person...some of
the most amazing people..."

as you can see, it's a shocking affront to the personal integrity of
all. of course, an all-encompassing fiasco ensued, wherein i started
*another* flame war... wasn't up to that week's torch quota yet.

>she apologized.... i do not think that she should apologize.
emilio, if in fact, i had publicly insulted or harassed jendy, then by
all means, i would invite her to do likewise to me.   the truth of the
matter is, she flamed me not because of what i had said, just that i
said too much.  not the *content*, just the quantity.  i own up to it, i
write too much.  i can't help it, i love writing.  and you guys are my
favorite soundboard.

>when i sent a mail first to this list, i got a email from jill and she
>insulted me for no reason.
i read that line and sat here dumbfounded.  first, why did this have to
be presented to, again, hundreds of onlookers?  secondly, i had no
recollection of ever emailing emilio, much less flaming him for
something.  so i searched the list archives to see his posts, hoping
that would spark something in my memory.
this is what i found:
emilio's first post to the list was about the "rude people" in the ig
irc chat room.
emilio's next post publicly named said "rude people."
emilio's post following that was rather confusing.  see, a listee had
*privately* flamed him, because the publicly-defamed "rude people" were,
in fact, her friends. she was angry. hopping mad.  she flamed him very
badly.  now, how do i know this?  because emilio *forwarded* the entire
flame, along with it's sender's name and email address, to the list.
for the other 798 of us to see.

i do believe that the only time i *ever* emailed emilio was to tell him,
perhaps chastise him, for forwarding private mail to an open forum like
this.  forwarding private mail isn't (as my mom used to say) kosher. it
is a violation of privacy.  when i was a newbie, i made a similar
mistake, and those who had been here before me and knew the ropes
privately chastised me for doing so as well.  i do not feel that my
actions were unjustified.
if i am in error in my remembering of the facts, i will *again* offer up
emilio the opportunity to tell me privately what it was that i had said
to him that offended him so.  i do not remember, as it was *seven*
months ago.

>i have seen it many times...when jill attacks the opinion of people...
first of all, i do not "attack."
secondly, attacking an *opinion* is a far cry from attacking a *person*.
what you're charging here--- that my content, my intentions, my *self*
are so intrinsically *evil* that i "deserve" to be *humiliated* and
*insulted* in front of a group is very cruel, and certainly unusual.

i am *very* very hurt.  you have leveled an attack upon my character as
a human being.  you have ridiculed me before a *huge* group of strangers
who don't know me from eve.  you have painted a very inaccurate picture
of *who* and *what* i am.  you have insulted, degraded, and belittled
me.  you, emilio hellerman, have made me sit here sobbing. and the irony
of this is that you have never *met* me.  you do not *know* me.  and, in
fact, if i walked past you on the street, you would not know who i was.
you cannot make *any* just claim as to what kind of a person i truly am.

>why should not someone attack her? does she not deserve [it]...?
the sheer eye-for-an-eye absurdity of this statement leaves *me*, at
last, speechless. in the words of the inimitable ani difranco, let me
rebuff your call to arms:
before you throw those stones at me, tell me, what is your house made
of? and if you think you know what i'm doing wrong, you're going to
have to get in line.

jillian m. certo

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 15:37:26 edt
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what is with all the flaming!? when is it going to stop?!

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 16:28:33 -0400
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subject:      cry cry cry
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i'm assuming that with my happily deleting ass i missed what this is...is
it an ig song or what? if so, can y'all hook me up with some lyrics?

--audra

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

*****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 13:28:40 -0700
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greetings,

having read the chaplain's speech i am inspired to post this to the list.

i have not have the pleasure of meeting jill in person but i do consider her a friend. i have been on the list for a little more than a year now (not long i know) and have enjoyed her posts from the very beginning. i have found jill's posts to be insightful, intelligent, interesting, witty, entertaining, hurmorous, etcetera, etcetera.

here's hoping jill will continue to post.

good khama to call,
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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 16:38:09 -0400
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sweetie, really, please don't sob over this.  you are not a bad person,
and most everyone on the list knows it!  besides, you didn't just send a
post to the entire list calling someone a "bitch".  geez, how immature is
that?  not to mention degrading!

love,
karen :-)

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 13:40:40 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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>i am not a liar! you have emailed me! you are a bitch!

<me: general sentiments of "whaaa---???!">

>i can insult who i want to insult! it is a free country to do so!
emilio, there is also such a thing in this country called libel.

(li'bel, n.  1. a written or printed statement, picture, etc., tending
to damage a person's reputation or hold him up to public ridicule or
disgrace.  2. the crime of writing or printing a libel.  3. any false or
damaging statement or implication about a person.  see *slander*.)

again, the extent of my law knowledge comes from primetime television,
but the last time i heard, libel is illegal.

i was an esl tutor, and i know in fact that we *do* teach citizenship
issues and laws. however, i don't think this is something included in
the curriculum, and i also don't know if this is a crime in your native
chile. so keep this in mind: you can't always insult who you want to
insult all the time.

jill

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can't we all just get along?????

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 17:44:59 -0400
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here are some additions to the original post of these lyrics based on what
my ears hear.

(first, i think she's clearly saying "i'll soon be to nothing" and therefore
i think that "soon be to nothing" is the proper title for the song.)

-----------------------------------------------------------------

soon be to nothing - emily saliers

count(?) the mountain road, saw the heavy load
with the sagging heart, and they'll break apart
voices in the leaves stood as thick as theives
with no sympathy, for the beggar's art(?)

i have passed these crimes, 'bout a million times
effortlessly
now i grab the wheel, fear is what i feel
after slowin' down the fear of ----

(chorus)
and you tell me it's temporary, just a matter of time
by god, don't you think i know it's in my mind
and it's right over left, heel in the ---
i'll soon be to nothing, but i don't know when

well the way i flee, on my crooked feet
-- a happy horse, on a one track course
and i self-despise, crying out my eyes
cause the happy trail, led me to remorse
but the road is long, and the song is gone
i grow empty in my cicada shell
if i saw the choice, i might find my voice
but i don't know when, and i just can't tell

(chorus)

deep behind my face, is a safer place
but the gears are hitched tight to the gate
it's a daily grind waiting to unwind
till i hear the click that unlocks my fate

------------------------------------------------------------

corrections are welcome. the lyrics are referring to walking and/or riding
a bicycle in the woods, right?

pretty song, though, eh?

ron
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www.mindspring.com/~usul | come on now, social, you know i want you to be
       /hoops.html       | you know i want you
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in a message dated 98-10-16 16:51:37 edt, mvcarmac@mtholyoke.edu writes:

<< can't we all just get along????? >>

and grow up?!

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there are so many! some that come to mind...

willing to fight---ani
it won't take long---ferron
(of course) hammer and a nail
heal the world---michael jackson just kidding! =]

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in a message dated 98-10-16 16:39:22 edt, s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu
writes:

<< besides, you didn't just send a
post to the entire list calling someone a "bitch". geez, how immature is
that? not to mention degrading! >>

i'm not degrading here either, but i totally agree with the above comment.
that "bitch" posting should have been done privately. regardless of the
problem, that was immature and totally uncalled for.

lynn :-) <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

lynn

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of general interest to the list... this is from oberlin's lgbtu
newsletter:

>god hates fags group to picket matthew shepard's funeral
>
>it has come to my attention that "rev" fred phelps, the man behind
the=20
>infamous www.godhatesfags.com website, has decided to picket matthew=20
>shepard's funeral on saturday. phelps, supposedly a christian minister,
has=
>=20
>desecrated the graves of many such "fags" before, but in the light of
the=
>=20
>horrific circumstances surrounding matthew shepard's death, this
particular=
>=20
>sacrilege must not occur. shepard's parents have already suffered=20
>enough-they do not need phelps to shout that their son is "burning in
hell"=
>=20
>while they watch matthew's coffin be lowered into his grave.
>
>please, take a moment to protest this evil act by writing phelps at
this=20
>address:
>
>webmaster@godhatesfags.com
>
>don't hesitate to be harsh-phelps and his cult are quite arrogant and
will=
>=20
>not listen to soft or logical reasoning.
>
>then, please forward this email immediately to everyone you know.
the=20
>nation must literally flood phelps with protests before he'll even
blink.=
>=20
>but most importantly, phelps and his cult are more likely to suffer
legal=
>=20
>repercussions if the public fully expresses its outrage.
>
>no one's parents deserve to have their child's funeral picketed, least
of=
>=20
>all after enduring their child's vicious lynching.
>
>thanks to everyone for their time in attending this important matter.
>
>matt
>cochair
>lesbian, gay & bisexual student union
>university of florida
>lgbsu@grove.ufl.edu
>http://grove.ufl.edu/~lgbsu
>(352) 392-1665 ext.310
>

>---
>rainbow display for matthew shepard
>
>we plan to display the gay colors this weekend, october 17 and 18th,
>because we cannot stand to be invisible. we feel compelled to express
our
>outrage over the appalling death of matthew shepard, the gay man beaten
>and left to die on a fence in wyoming. not only the gay community but
all
>well-meaning people can join in this expression of pain and of resolve.
we
>will put rainbow flags on our homes, ribbons on our clothing, pink
>triangles everywhere. we will display home-made, crayon-drawn rainbows
in
>our windows, wear scraps of bright stripes, and tell everyone why we
are
>doing it. please join us.=20
>
>please distribute this message as widely as you can.
>
>dody goldstein, parents, families and friends of lesbians and gays
>(pflag), san jose ca. p.o. box 2718, sunnyvale ca 94087=a0
650/857-1058
>

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 18:00:29 edt
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neither our outgoing admin (sorry sherlyn), nor our incoming admin (sorry jen)
even wants to get involved here... but _i_ on the other hand, have had enough
(even tho my gf is gonna be major-league pissed at me).

jilly, you're a fine human being. you do tend to get post happy, and ramble
on about gawd knows what at times (something i've been accused off myself),
but you are basically harmless.

emilio, i don't know who the hell you are (and i've been here longer than
anybody who has flamed you), but i'm sure somewhere along the line you felt
slighted by some person(s) on this list.

all you righteously indignant "me too-ers", yes, _i_ am perfectly capable of
deleting, but unlike me, there are a great number of digest subscribers who
cannot do the same.

my point? here it is... and i feel confident i am speaking for all my
lurking, frustrated, preparing-to-jump-list ig "siblings" (please hang on for
just a little bit longer you guys!).... unless it is ig-related, shuddup
already!!!!!!!!!!!!

now... have a happy and peaceful friday, but give it a rest already.... in
case you've forgotten, this is the indigo girls list.

thank you.
dee

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 15:16:49 -0700
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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actually, i would advise *against* emialing phelps. he
is seekign attention, as much as he can get. sending him e-mail
will simply feed that and encourage him to make more noise and be louder.
as was recommended here with that debi666 person, the best thing
to do is ignore him...if he gets responses he will feel he has
an audience and he will keep being his loud, vile self.

best thing to do, imo, is to make sure that if you are in the us
and registered to vote, go out and do it.  call your legislators,
state and federal.  make sure they know there are plenty of voices
out there looking for anti hate crime legislation.  that there
are plenty of people out there, of all sexual orientations, that want
to see a safer world.

dont scream at phleps..he isnt ging to change and it isnt going
to change anything. make noise to the govt. make noise,
if you are comfortable, in your every day life. be visible.
and ignore phleps.

just mho.

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amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
                http://www.crl.com/~pegasus

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 15:33:39 pdt
reply-to:     lia kueck <aeig2317@hotmail.com>
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hey all,
igc: i do believe amy sings a very high note (i'm no music buff, so i
don't know what note it is exactly) in jcs. don't remember the song
title but the line is "understand what power is, understand what glory
is". sounds pretty high for amy.
sigc: rose polenzani is scheduled for a performance at valparaiso
university on oct. 23 (if anyone remembers correctly, valpo u is the
least gay friendly school in the nation.....ouch) the reason it's sigc
is because she performed at the chicago sst with the girls. she only
played one song, but amy and emily were sitting off stage singing every
word to it. hell, any friend of the girls' is a friend of mine :-d she
is seriously an awesome performer. anyone wants directions or wants to
meet up, email me.
peace to all
lia*

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 18:35:40 -0400
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on fri, 16 oct 1998, amy j. putnam wrote:

> actually, i would advise *against* emialing phelps. he
> is seekign attention, as much as he can get. sending him e-mail
> will simply feed that and encourage him to make more noise and be louder.

amy's completely right. if they get mail that attempts rational
conversation or runs different to their views, fred's prodigal grandson
sends you a nice form letter "proving" why god hates fags.
they get their rocks off from it.

meanwhile, even the extreme right wing groups are distancing themselves
from "rev." phelps and crew...

darius

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 16:50:31 -0600
reply-to:     "cusick, joanne - aurora, co" <joanne.cusick@cexp.com>
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hi all..

i've been sitting here at work, listening to hey kind friend, over and
over, and reading about people protesting at a man's funeral, and
thinking about how petty we can be.

as far away as we may be from the scene, i know that matthew sheppard's
death has raised tension among my friends, in my church, and even in my
private life. it's obvious that's it has affected the list. everyone is
tense, no one feels safe.  my 15-year old cousin came out to me and is
afraid that if she tells anyone else, she'll end up hurt.  my church is
worried that the perception of christians everywhere will be altered by
a few radical dimwits.  my friends, a wonderful mix of gay and straight
and wacky people, have stopped debating and talking, afraid of offending
others. and here on the list, hell has broken loose, and i just want to
ask everyone.. is this worth it? what if tomorrow, something happens to
someone on the list, and it's in the newspapers and on television
everywhere?  what if that is someone you had just engaged in a flamewar?
how would you feel then??

i'm thinking of my family and friends back in nashville, and my friends
in europe, and people that are gone that i will never see again, and
here we are fighting about who is rude? about who did what when?  does
this matter?  of all places, we should turn here for compassion and
humor, friendship, and understanding.  i've been on this list for almost
two years, and usually find it a welcoming place. are we welcoming?
what will new listees think in their first day? please think about these
questions before you flame. take a listen to hkf, and see if

that said, one more thing...

i love you jill,
i love you jendy,
i love you emilio,
and all 800 names would take up even more bandwidth, and sherlyn (i love
you, too), would definitely kill me. but i love every single one of
you.. please stop this.

jo anne

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 19:43:32 edt
reply-to:     tahmehawk@aol.com
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from:         lynn van fossen <tahmehawk@aol.com>
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in a message dated 98-10-16 18:06:47 edt, jillyc@hotmail.com writes:

<< please, take a moment to protest this evil act by writing phelps at
this address:

webmaster@godhatesfags.com

don't hesitate to be harsh-phelps and his cult are quite arrogant and
will not listen to soft or logical reasoning.>>

i totally disagree with this idea.  fred and his group don't listen to
anything!
what he want's is attention and by giving it to him your only making him
happy.   i wouldn't give him that much control or satisfaction.   besides, the
idea is to get rid of him, not give him more attention or publicity.   it
doesn't matter how much you try and reason with him or how harsh your are to
him, he will not listen.   he enjoys every bit of attention you give me,
positive or negative.
the following is from the melissa etheridge message board, it's from a board
member who has witnessed first hand what this man is capable of...and will do.
so before anyone goes and does anything regarding phelps, you best know
something about what you might face from him.  this man...if you can call him
such, will go to great lenghts to harrass people that don't share his views.
say or do the wrong thing and you could be his next target.

from the mle message board:

<<believe it or not the phelps clan is a well organized, smart organization.
i grew up in the area and have seen him in action.  he is a former lawyer and
has and will use what ever legal means he can to silence those against him.  i
don't think letters or emails to him will do a bit of good.  they will
probably just add fire to the fight.  maybe your time and energy would be
better spent in another
area.  this man is beyond reason.  he sues anyone who challenges him or his
right to free speech. he is known to videotape cars and people as they pass
one of his protests to "catch on camera" any type of potentially violent or
offensive behavior toward him.  he will then file a complaint and the
harrassment begins.  the local papers used to cover him....now the approach is
to simply ignore him.>>

lynn :-) <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 19:41:46 edt
reply-to:     poprckgrrl@aol.com
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ok i admit it...i like nigc...when it's talking about something that
matters...
i am getting a little sick of this back and forth stuff between emilio and
jill and all the people who are for and against them...it's getting
old...quick...
and no i don't read all of this banter, the delete button is my friend...but i
still don't like having to wade through hundreds of messages about this topic
to get to my mail that says something...it's reached the point where i am
considering unsubbing...

i lookforward to reading some mail that says something...

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 17:17:55 -0700
reply-to:     ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
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subject:      re: nigc: how to support the shepards

if anyone wants more detailed info on phelps and company, you can find it at
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/michael_haggerty/expose3.htm

btw, this is my first post to this list. hi all my friends from irc!

ryan

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from: nighthawk <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
date: friday, 16 october, 1998 3:36 pm
subject: re: nigc: how to support the shepards

>on fri, 16 oct 1998, amy j. putnam wrote:
>
>> actually, i would advise *against* emialing phelps.  he
>> is seekign attention, as much as he can get.  sending him e-mail
>> will simply feed that and encourage him to make more noise and be louder.
>
>   amy's completely right.  if they get mail that attempts rational
>conversation or runs different to their views, fred's prodigal grandson
>sends you a nice form letter "proving" why god hates fags.
>   they get their rocks off from it.
>
>   meanwhile, even the extreme right wing groups are distancing themselves
>from "rev." phelps and crew...
>
>   darius
>
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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 06:15:56 +0000
reply-to:     justin shumaker <shuey@amarillonet.com>
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from:         justin shumaker <shuey@amarillonet.com>
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hey, all, remember me? i'm the smartass guy who posts stupid stuff! (by the
way, the question about whether you'd buy a new ig cd was...a...joke...sorry.)

anyway, when not wading through the ig list, i am a web producer at the
amarillo globe-news online. one of our features is an interactive online
poll, and yesterday i posed this question:

"should homosexual couples be allowed to adopt children?"

one may think (as i did) that being where we are in the country, the response
would be fairly conservative.

however, showing once again that stereotypes are hollow, after a day online,
415 people had responded, of which *369* (83%) said "yes".

interesting and surprising, to me anyway. good day.

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 20:15:14 edt
reply-to:     tcheehill@aol.com
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from:         chee hill <tcheehill@aol.com>
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a long time ago, i was a little girl.

i remember sitting on my clothes dryer waiting for my clothes to get dry
enough to wear to school (9th grade).  i had a sinead o'connor song in my
head, "black boys on mopeds."  i remember singing it and thinking, "wow, those
are easy chords and i can learn that song on my guitar."  that's my # 1 sinead
o'connor memory.

also, that's the year ('90) when i started to "wake up" to societal
injustices, politics....

so, here's a good quote from o'connor about liars and war and the church.
and, here's a new thread to ponder: what is your favorite childhood memory,
combining social justice with good music?

"i'm not a liar.
and i'm not full of hatred.
but i hate lies.
and so the liars hate me.
the same who can't stand the sight of a starving baby:
can you really say you're not in pain?
like me?
are any of us not living painfully?
pain is what their lies have kept up in.
but the war has started now and truth will win.
many of us are going to lose our lives.
and that's ok
because to live we have to die.
the enemies of god will say it's chaos.
just remember what jesus did in the temple.
and be patient.
exactly why do you think he was assassinated?
who was it that did the dirty deed?
who didn't like the answers they'd received?
look at the one wearing the collar.
then or now.
there's only ever been one liar.
and it's the holy roman empire.
and this is exactly what they did.
they told us lies to take us away from god.
so yeah, i am angry.
but i'm not full of hate.
i'm full of love.
god said, 'i bring not peace,
i bring a sword.'"

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 20:47:20 -0400
reply-to:     debbie woodell <woodeld@phillynews.com>
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audra wrote:
> i'm assuming that with my happily deleting ass i missed what this is...is
> it an ig song or what?
        it's a new "group": lucy kaplansky, richard shindell and dar williams, and
they put out an album of covers.
        speaking of which, lucy is playing the tin angel in philly next saturday
(24 october). anyone going? please email me privately at woodelldc@aol.com
maybe we can hook up....
        going on vacay from this list for about a week. if i don't sign up at
home, i'll miss ya. i'm a newbie to the list and like it lots.
deb

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 20:28:20 edt
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please don't email to tell me that i spelled sinead's name wrong...how petty
y'all can be sometimes.

that quote i cited is from o'connor's _am i not your girl_.

listees' compilation tape....it's going to rock, i can feel it. maybe sst
release will be out right when shelley records releases the listee tape.

-chee

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 21:02:10 edt
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in a message dated 98-10-16 20:28:38 edt, shuey@amarillonet.com writes:

<< "should homosexual couples be allowed to adopt children?" >>

there's an online poll website where you can add and/or vote on polls.  i
posted that same question.   out of 215 votes (so far), 155 were "yes".   i'm
not at all surprised by that response.   if your interested, here's the link
to that poll:   <a href="http://www.blacktop.com/cgi-
bin/poll_central/poll.cgi">should gays/lesbians be allowed to adopt children?
</a>     there are some very interesting polls on the indigo girls and gay
issues there as well.

lynn :-) <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">
tahmehawk's place</a>

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 18:39:55 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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nigc, but along those same "taking agency" lines.

i got this from oberlin's lgbtu email list...
while it is now too late to contact newtered or trent, i'm wondering if
these numbers are still viable, and can still get you in contact with
some bigwigs...???
and what happed with the act? did the bill pass?

>hate crimes prevention act needs your calls
>
>the hate crimes prevention act is still alive in this congress.
congress
>supposed to adjorn on friday, october 16.  to pass this very needed
bill
>congress, calls must be made to newt gingrich and trent lott
immediately.
>
>
>call:  202-225-0600 newt gingrich
>       202-224-3135 trent lott
>
>simply tell them that you want them to pass the hate crimes prevention
act
>this congress.  the bill numbers are:  h.r. 3081 & s. 1529.
>
>for more information on the hate crimes prevention act, please see:
>http://www.hrc.org/issues/leg/hcpa
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date:         sat, 17 oct 1998 11:57:24 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

just a quick note on various subjects...

i) as of sometime early-ish next week, i will be easing out of
the list admin position. a big thank you goes out to jen
lucero, who will be taking over. thanks also to diane gagnon
for offering assistance.

ii) i think "caramia" is emily's "touch me fall". think about
it - the same adjectives apply - "epic", "sweeping", "dreamlike".
plus, neither of them really make sense if you take the lyrics
in a literal reading (but then, what song does?). and, of
course there's the tempo changes in tmf, which parallel the
switching between the emily portions of "caramia" and the sara
lee portions of "caramia"...

iii) the latest debate - take it to private mail, please...
i don't think it's really possible to resolve this sort of thing
in public...

that's it...

sherlyn
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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 19:21:26 pdt
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hey ya'll!
lel and i were cleaning out our cd collections..for things that we never
listen to and it makes no sense to keep...things that we don't know how
we ever liked or why we bought them.
so if anyone wants these they're yours for just postage to get 'em
there!
i guess if 2 or 3 ppl want the same cd then i'll do a drawing but if not
whoever wants one, two, all..gets 'em.

in no specific order:

whitney houston/whitney (1987)
amy grant/house of love (1994)
carmen/addicted to jesus (1993) *l* don't ask!
celine dion/the colour of my love (1993)
cindy morgan/a reason to live (1993)
debbie gibson/anything is possible (promo, 1990)
made in america sountrack (1993) i think 1993 was a bad year for us!
point of grace/self-titled (1993)
janet jackson/rhythm nation1814 (1989)
janet jackson/janet (1993)
space jam soundtrack (1996)
tlc/crazysexycool (1994)
phil collins/serious hits live (1990)
blues traveler/four (1994)

if you have any questions let me know!
*hugs*

lamia

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if anyone is going to see ferron next month at the tin angel in philly, get
there early enough to catch her opening act "commonbond" ... you'll be glad
you did !!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok - it's a shameless plug i know ....

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today was a purple parrott boot day...damn - it was good! i really
enjoy amy and emily's interaction w the audience - how fun. they seem
so at ease - it seemed as tho many in the audience were friends of
theirs...it's just a *fun* boot to listen to!

speaking of a low note for emily - as i was listening to her sing some
of 'girls talk' (elvis costello) - i notice she went pretty low in the
beginning of the song when she was singing of makeup and
powder...(specifically when singing 'powder') - ill have to listen
again - so i can tell ya exactly where it was...

take it easy -

sunny - who's a bit tired out after spinning class. have yall done
that b4? spinning? (biking) it kicks my a$$...literally.

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on fri, 16 oct 1998 15:05:32 pdt, recidivist spice
<jillyc@hotmail.com> wrote:

>>please, take a moment to protest this evil act by writing phelps at
>this address:
>>
>>webmaster@godhatesfags.com

as several people have pointed out, this would probably be
counterproductive.  it will go to a member of the phelps family/cult,
and they love the attention.  another possibility is to protest to the
server that hosts the site.  contact information for them is:
               domain name: kc1.net

               administrative contact: rush, jim  (jr3787)
                    rush@sound.net
                    913-287-9000 (fax) 913-287-4400
               technical contact, zone contact:
                    kc, one  (ko12-org)  contact@kc1.net
                    913-287-3000
                    fax- 913-287-7333
               billing contact:
                    rush, jim  (jr3787)  rush@sound.net
                    913-287-9000 (fax) 913-287-4400

so jim rush would be your man. i don't know if he's connected in any
way to the church, probably not tho.

cyndi

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thanks y'all for filling in that gap for me.  it's been making me crazy
forever, since i bought the cd.  it's my favorite piece on jcs.  now i'm all
obsessed over getting that video..gotta order it from daemon, right?  did
someone say it was a benefit for something?  to see amy-as-jesus might just
send me back to church.....
freida.

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yes, i'm still going on and on about jcs.  and i wasn't totally kidding about
the "whole new take on amy and jesus."   so here's my comment and question:  i
have trouble listening to the whole deal because that heavy guitar distortion
hurts my tender ears (i've go a weird nerve-thing happening, and i'm not
kidding) but of course, when i bought it i had to listen to the whole thing at
least once.  i'm thinking that it's mixed badly or something, or maybe on
purpose they let the heavy guitar and other stuff drown out the vocals.  or is
it just my bizarre ears?
freida.

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date:         fri, 16 oct 1998 21:51:44 pdt
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someone sent this to the patty griffin list and i know that there are
some catie curtis fans on this list so i thought i'd pass it on!!

*hugs*
lamia
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subject: mm: not patty-related
date: fri, 16 oct 1998 16:11:40 -0400

i just heard there is going to be a concert in the manhattan ballroom
with mary chapin-carpenter and catie curtis. i know some people here
like catie curtis. i don't know the date but if you're interested,
email me & i'll find out.

"perlman, judith" <perlmanj@ujafedny.org>

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time for a real boycott. there's some conceptual tension here, but if the
simple message that giving phelps attention is bad can make it into general
public consciousness, it's worth it.

check out the last couple lines of the signature. give them some thought.

doyle srader
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** they >>no longer exist<<. no attention = no power.
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what about in their cover of ferron's
"it won't take long"? it is a rockin
song, and she goes pretty low in the
very beginning.
shannon

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i just wanna publicly thank sherlyn for putting up us for all this time. if
it wasn't for you, i wouldn't have been able to attend my first ig concert.
you've had to put up with flamewars, nigc, nasty insults and the occasional
igc ;) for the longest time and i dunno if i could have been as strong as
you.

here's to you sherlyn! cheers!

sincerely,
ian c.
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hey ya'll
last night hotmail took my mail again :p so if you mailed me about the
cds, and your name is not on this list then you need to resend me what
you wanted so i can put your name in for the drawing (if its a cd that a
lot of ppl want) or i can know what you want! so if your name's not on
this list, then please mail me back! sorry for the inconvenience!!!

emark@scf.usc.edu
indigobabs@aol.com
mari798106@aol.com
sooz911@aol.com
bcmassga@bluffton.edu
luna-tick@home.com
asl@umcs.maine.edu

one more thing! to those of you who wanted janet jackson..i think
everyone wanted both..do you want me to do a drawing for both of them
together? or individually?
let me know about this too!
sorry for the nigc

*hugs*

lamia

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you have your whole life to do something
and that's not very long
why don't you give me a call when you decide you're
willing to fight for what you think is real,
for what you think is right..."
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hey y'all--
i am going to write an essay on michael sheppard and i need some info..does
anyone know where i can get new articles, etc., from the web?
thanks!!
lauren

i just got back from matthew shepard's funeral. it was terribly
sad...but for some reason i expected worse.

phelps was there. his effect was minimized thanks to the courageous
efforts of local students from casper, activists and the wonderful casper
police department. i want to thank them all for "minimizing" his effect.

hundreds of people just like me were there....they had heard the news on
tuesday (of matt and of phelps) and decided that they just needed to be
there.  they just felt wyoming calling them.  people from all over
colorado.  a group from springfield, missouri driving 27 hours.  a couple
from florida having driven for days.  a group of ministers and preachers
from los angeles who "just knew we needed to be here."  the little old
grandmother from oklahoma who said, "i don't understand all this gay
stuff, but i think it's tragic he was murdered and that people are
protesting his funeral."

i would like to share one poem from the funeral. this was written by his
cousin. she was to read it, but could only read the first two lines
before a deacon took over to finish it:

matthew

an angel with new wings
in a place a world away
can once again begin to sing
god took him in his arms today
he blessed his soul with loving care
and took away his pain
his life story all would share
his memory on their hearts a stain
so young a heart destroyed
for a cause unforgotten
another's mind deployed
the result of a tragedy rotten

the tragic hero that's hard to find
a martyr with great courage
god's lamb in rare design
never to be discouraged
our love for him forever strong
his image will never fade
we'll meet him again before long
temporary goodbyes we now must bade
matty, i love you with all my heart
i wish you only know how much
you'll be happier with this brand new start
the world's hearts you have now touched

a touching poem from his cousin. i don't there was a dry eye in the
church when that was done.

this is a very very short version of a much longer review of the funeral.
i felt it was important for me to say at least a little bit here. for
those who are interested in knowing me, i'm willing to send you the
longer version who has all the passages from the bible that were read,
how the people in the town treated us, and a brief overview of my
conversation with phelps....plus more. so if anyone wants a complete
review (and i would love to share with you!) please let me know and i'll
send it out to you.

all the best,
l'sly

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in a message dated 10/16/98 8:40:36 pm eastern daylight time,
tcheehill@aol.com writes:

<< here's a new thread to ponder: what is your favorite childhood memory,
combining social justice with good music? >>

hi y'all,

this is a great thread, i'll be interested in hearing replies from the list
since we are of a great range of ages and have gone through different musical
eras.  my favorite childhood memory that centers around social justice and
good music was when i was about 7 or 8 years old - around 1969-1970.  i was at
the "y" with my mom and dad and they had a sing-a-long in the auditorium. we
were sitting on tables in a big circle and i can remember singing "if i had a
hammer".  some of the folks had guitars and played along.  it was such a
peaceful moment.  you know, "i'd like to teach the world to sing, in perfect
harmony....." in spite of the chaos that was happening in our nation, the
music was empowering.  as a young girl, i wasn't too aware of the effect of
the vietnam war.  but then on may 4, 1970, four students were killed at kent
state university as well as students at jackson state.  i can remember
listening to neil young's "four dead in ohio" and the image of the national
guard was very disturbing.  i lived an hour away from kent and became aware
that these terrible things could happen in my own backyard.

i ended up going to college at kent state in 1980 - my parents didn't want me
too, they were afraid i'd get involved in something and get shot. well, they
were right about getting involved in politics and social justice and
fortunately the campus has not had any shooting incidents like that in 1970.
back in the early 80's when i became politically involved i was really into
bands like jefferson airplane and crosby, stills, nash and young.

i guess i was destined to love indigo girls music.  the evolution as a folk
duo into an "electric" duo all the time combining songs of self-insight and
political involvment and activism has combined the best of all worlds.  the
folk music and beautiful harmonies grabbed me back in '89 and their words
reeled me in and inspire me, and their growth as musicians and songwriters
encourage me to grow in all areas in my life.  kind of sums up the life
experience!

thanks for listening to me walk down memory lane!

take care,
leslie

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hi all,

i have a set of 8 front row photos that i took of the girls during the
rop tour.

they are 4x6 color glossies. 4 of amy, 3 of em, and 1 of them both.
(real nice shots)!

please e-mail me privately if your interested.
truly, ~ janene

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ok, sorry to clog space with dumb questions....but can anyone tell me if there
is a digest version of this list? it would be much appreciated! thanks,
email privately please. : )

ig forever,
brigette

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in the oct. 27, 1998 issue of "the advocate' is a short interview with sara
lee.

(reprinted without permission)

still cookin' - by barry walters (pop music critic for "the advocate")

with a two-cd retrospective of her seminal punk band gang of four, bassist
sara lee talks to 'the advocate' about music's "boys' club" mentality.

    chances are, you have some sara lee in your music collection and don't
even know it. bassist to the coolest stars, lee is in a position most
musicians envy. over the past 20 years, this english-born new york
transplant has recorded or toured with such major names as the b-52's,
indigo girls, robyn hitchcock, robert fripp, ani  difranco, and, most
recently, joan osborne. she appeared in the b-52's classic 'love shack'
video (in which a rising drag star named rupaul was also seen). she has
performed with japan's most respected musician, ryuichi sakamoto. and she's
featured on "a hundred flowers bloom," rhino records' upcoming retrospective
of the british punk quartet gang of four, due in stores november 3.
    not only is lee one of rock's pioneering female instrumentalists, but
she is also a lesbian. her success is a testimony to her talent, her
determination, and the growing opportunities for both women and out gay
people in the music world. we caught up with lee between flights as she
began touring with osborne. here's what she had to say for herself and
aspiring musicians.

barry walters: you started out in this business when there weren't too many
female instrumentalists besides tina weymouth of the talking heads. how did
you manage to play with someone as high-profile and as musically respected
as robert fripp the first time out?

sara lee: i was working at polydor records in london as a secretary during
the day and as a roadie and aspiring musician at night. i had befriended an
a&r person who saw my band at the time and, unbeknownst to me, had brought
robert fripp to one of our shows. robert was looking for a young rhythm
section and had actually come to see the band that went on before us. he
didn't like them, but called me a week later. he said that our playing was
great. and i said, "who am i speaking to?" and he said, "robert fripp," and
i thought 'oh, good grief!'

bw: there was a time in the '80s when you were popping up in every new york
city band.

sl: i had moved to new york during my time with the gang of four, and when
they split up, my money ran out, and i resorted to waitressing and playing
with everyone i could. hilly kristal, who runs cbgb's, once said to me that
he could put a bed in the back if i wanted to stay overnight because i was
playing there three times a week with some ten-odd different bands - richard
lloyd [from television], lenny kaye [from the patti smith group]. after
about a year and a half of that, the thompson twins in 1987 called me up and
asked if i wanted to go on tour, and i said "yes, please!"

bw: next you recorded and performed with the b-52's at the height of their
career. what was that like?

sl: it was an absolute blast working with them and seeing what happened with
'cosmic thing,' that wonderful reemergence of the band. i actually came off
an eight-month tour with them and the next day flew to japan to start
working with ryuichi sakamoto. i also did something with the b's earlier
this year for their greatest hits collection, but i had to leave between
recording 'good stuff' and that tour because i started working with the
indigo girls on 'nomads, indians, saints.'

bw: has your being a woman ever been an issue with other musicians or the
record companies?

sl: even though i was supposed to be a member of the gang of four, i never
was signed, so i've never had much to do with the record companies.
musicians in bands have treated me well. the recording studio is the area
that's been a little suspect. studio musicians aren't used to having women
musicians around, and they still aren't, actually. i did a session for a
french singer a couple of years ago with these heavy-weight la session guys
who were like, "oh, you're the bass player. w-o-o-oh." by the second day
they were saying, "well, you really play well with the drummer." yes, thank
you, i've been doing it for 20 years!

bw: did you consider yourself a lesbian when you started playing in bands?

sl: i didn't. i had dates with women occasionally, but i was also dating
guys at the time. the shift in my orientation coincided with a shift in my
friends about ten years ago. i'd been living in new york and met a new group
of people who were women and gay and who turned out to be really good,
enduring friends. that introduced me to the lesbian community, as such, in
new york, and that's when i made a change.

bw: has your sexuality ever been an issue?

sl: homophobia does exist in the industry, and the question of whether or
not to come out can be a difficult decision. as a "side" musician, this is
an issue i haven't run into. artists either hire me, or they don't, based on
the way i play. and i've spent the last ten years working primarily with the
indigo girls and the b-52's so what problems are you going to have there?
but people in general are worried to come out in this business, and that's
so disappointing to me. you'd think that the arts side of life would present
us with a more liberal alternative.

bw: not necessarily, when business is involved with art.

sl: i've been lucky and have always worked with easygoing, open-minded
people. but i'm not an artist with a record deal trying to present myself to
the public or the industry. i've never had to deal with businesspeople. yet
i know all the managers of people i've worked with, and everybody's been
fine all along.

bw: where is room for improvement?

sl: i think men in recording studios could start acknowledging the fact that
there are good female instrumentalists out there - good engineers,
producers. women are doing everything, and you wish the day would come when
that's fully acknowledged. it's still such a boy's club.

bw: do you have any advice for women or gay musicians starting out?

sl: don't let the boys make you feel like you can't do something. you just
have to practice and not give up, not be intimidated. when i went to london
auditioning for bands in 1978-1979, i told myself that if i failed an
audition and didn't get a job, that i shouldn't worry because somebody would
like my playing. i actually got myself into two bands where the guys
absolutely didn't want a woman in the band because they believed that women
can't play rock and roll. things have changed since then.

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date:         sat, 17 oct 1998 18:35:53 -0400
reply-to:     a pretty pretender <sbrady1@email.unc.edu>
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along the lines of impulse buys due to the word indigo:
clairol's natural instincts has a new color called "amazing indigo "!!
its blue-black and washes out in 24 shampoos....should be gone in about a
month....right?!?
:)
-sarah

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  _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
/ o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
'---'  a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will love.
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date:         sat, 17 oct 1998 18:38:13 -0400
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just kidding...its called amazon indigo..'case anyone cares
-s.

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date:         sat, 17 oct 1998 21:24:50 edt
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hi everyone,

going along the lines of "things that spring indigo to mind" i have one.

yesterday while at work, a co-worker informed most of us that she is gonna be
a grandmother. now, silly me says: "oh should we start calling you granny?"
she relied, "no, nana." well folks, that's all it took. from that moment on
all i could think about was: na na nana na na naaaa...

of course my friends think i'm wacked.

one last wonderful example of indigo magic: i purchased a daemon records
bumper sticker. i scanned the design and taped it up in my office. without
any warning i've been known to turn around and blurt out for no reason...
"daemon records: louder than you think." my friends really think i'm wacked
with that one.

peace! indigo! etheridge!
kathleen

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subject:      new email address
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              talk.s7@listserv.redlt.com, boxinbabe@aol.com, patrices7@aol.com,
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this is just to let everyone know that as soon as possible i am
switching my email address from here saliers_ray@hotmail.com to
saliers__ray@yahoo.com (that's two of the little spaces instead of just
one) i've finally gotten sick of hotmail taking all my mail from my
folders and sticking it back in my inbox days or weeks later.

if anyone could send me subscription info to all these lists (including
the michelle malone list which i can't find the address to) that would
be really great! i save all that stuff but it doesn't do me a lick of
good when hotmail takes it.. :p

lil note to molly: i woulda sent you this personally but your addy is
gone thanks to hotmail :p

sorry to waste bandwith! thanks ya'll! :)

*hugs*

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date:         sat, 17 oct 1998 19:46:39 -0700
reply-to:     monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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(warning: the following has been shamelessly adapted from one of deb's
tree announcements)
tapes and labels have all been mailed out to the branches, so if you'd
like
a copy of the 2nd chicago sst show (see lifeblood for the setlist),
please make arrangements with the person associated with your birthday
month.

kathrin volunteered to be the european branch, but if there are others
outside the us who want the tape, i'm hopeful that you'll be able to
come to a satisfactory arrangement with either the person associated
with your birthday month or one of the branches near you.

the only stipulation i have is that *no one* can make a profit or
*require* a trade -- anyone should be able to get them by sending a 110
minute blank and an sase, though it would be nice to arrange a trade if
you can.

the quality of this show is very good for the most part, with some
saturation problems on the heavy electric pieces and still a bit too
much bass in some vocals. performers' chatter between the songs is very
audible thanks to the wonders of cooledit and unearthly screaming has
been almost completely removed at the cost alas, of some abrupt cuts.
the show fits on a 110min tape.

here are the branches:

jan     memememi@aol.com
feb    bean@neu.edu
mar    laura <laurajackson@mindspring.com>
apr     jude <hunterj1@aol.com>
may   indigobabs@aol.com
jun     hudsonvu@aol.com
jul     ufgtrfan@aol.com
aug     "mary b. post" <mbpost@ibm.net>
sep     robinmullins@ladiocese.org
oct     leslie holeman <holeman@biology.ucsc.edu>
nov     bonster@u.washington.edu
dec     shelley miller <strange_fire66@hotmail.com>

europe kathrin.siegmund@stud.uni-hannover.de

cheers,

monique

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<< has anyone bought something totally unnecessary or
outrageous just because the color of it was "indigo" (as stated on the
label or something)?? >>

well, i haven't bought anything just because the color was indigo, however i
have several levi's denim shirts, but the only one i wear with any frequency
is indigo...does that count?

dawn

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<< has anyone bought something totally unnecessary or
> outrageous just because the color of it was "indigo" (as stated on the
> label or something)?? >>

well, i haven't bought anything just because the color was indigo, however i
have several levi's denim shirts, but the only one i wear with any frequency
is indigo...does that count?

dawn

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i've noticed that maxell puts out two kinds of type ii tapes.

a.) maxell xl-ii, in the gold wrapping. the face of the cassette says,
"energy efficient and anti-resonance cassette mechanism."

b.) maxell xl-ii s, in black wrapping.  the face of the cassette says,
"high resonance-damping & heat resistant cassette mechanism."
these cost slightly more than the gold-wrapped ones, they are a little
heavier, and they don't have the big window through which you can see
the tape spools.  i've also noticed that, if you gently shake the
cassette, there is only a very faint muffled rattle from the tape
spools.  however, if you similarly shake a gold-wrapped tape, there is a
rather loud rattle from within.
both tapes are marked type ii, high (cro2) position.

can anyone tell me what is the technical difference between the two?

jill

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date:         sat, 17 oct 1998 20:05:07 -0700
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hey ya'll..hope this is all working! :)

are there any big marcy playground fans on this list? none of my
friends are. my favourite person to buy things from on ebay (emfore98)
sent me an extra bonus item, a marcy playground single. it's got two
songs:
poppies and sex & candy on it. it's in a cardboard slip cover thing,
brownish yellow. if anyone is a marcy playground fan/collector let me
know, cuz i don't really like them and i'd like it to go to someone
who will appreciate/enjoy it!!

i'll do a drawing tomorrow...hope to find it a good home!

*hugs*

lamia

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omg!

just watched snl and lucy lawless is the host.

well, my mom called for me to turn the tv to 4 and the woman asking lucy a
question had on one of the green ig get out the map shirts.

woohoo ig on snl!!!

kinda...

babs

hey, guys:
     are you watching saturday night live right now?  xena the warrior
princess is the host and the opening scetch was about her "sexual
preference, " and a whole bunch of people were "asking" her about the
"chicks" and then a couple of girls stood up and "ask her out for a beer
after the show", and one of them had an indigo girls shirt on (the green
sots one they sold at lillith fair) and i had to laugh.  you've gotta
laugh at stuff like that because you'd cry your eyes out if you didn't,
huh?  just had to tell ya'll about that.....
lol, julie

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oh noooooo!
>clairol's natural instincts has a new color called "amazing indigo "!!
>its blue-black and washes out in 24 shampoos....should be gone in about
a
>month....right?!?

wrong!  four years ago, i dyed my hair a color called black cherry.  i
figured it'd be a nice deep cherry burgundy.  i was so mistaken.  it was
black.  black. with a vague cherry shimmer if i was standing in a
spotlight. ;)  it wouldn't wash out.. tried washing my hair with
palmolive, half a dozen times in a row.  nada. my hair stayed this eerie
blue-black for years.  it *faded*, but never *washed out*.  the lesson:
black hair dye *never* "washes out," no matter *what* the box says!  i
called clairol and they told me so. nutty.  so this may just have to be
one ig obsession to let pass you by, sarah! :)

wondering how many blueblack headed listees i'll meet this year ;) ...
jill

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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 02:38:15 pdt
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hey all--
i just got back from my first ani difranco concert, and man, i just had
to share how awesome it was!!  so much energy, and power from such a
little person.  but it is ani, so i'm not too surprised i guess.
rockin!!!  yaaaa!!!  now all i need is an indigo fix and i'll be set....

---kelly

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hmm... i'd really like to think that the majority supported gay
marriages, but this poll does not show that. 369 people off of the web
is not a very cross section of the us.
just think of other infamous polls like people's most beautiful person
(hank the angry drunken dwarf won) and time's current person of the
century poll (in which a member of they might be giants is in, like, the
top 5). ok, actually those polls have nothing to do with this one :-)
but really, the poll doesn't reflect the majority's opinion...
sorry to burst yer bubble ;-)

the sfc

>
> hey, all, remember me?  i'm the smartass guy who posts stupid stuff!  (by the
> way, the question about whether you'd buy a new ig cd was...a...joke...sorry.)
>
> anyway, when not wading through the ig list, i am a web producer at the
> amarillo globe-news online.  one of our features is an interactive online
> poll, and yesterday i posed this question:
>
> "should homosexual couples be allowed to adopt children?"
>
> one may think (as i did) that being where we are in the country, the response
> would be fairly conservative.
>
> however, showing once again that stereotypes are hollow, after a day online,
> 415 people had responded, of which *369* (83%) said "yes".
>
> interesting and surprising, to me anyway.  good day.
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i just want to say that i think that you people are not very nice
people. some people are but most are not. i am leaving the list because
i do not want your insults so much. it is not fair. i had an opinion and
i said it. that is all. goodbye to the list. i did not like it.

emilio hellerman

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in a message dated 98-10-18 14:26:28 edt, emilioh98@hotmail.com writes:

<< i just want to say that i think that you people are not very nice
people. >>

this is not a flame, just mho

i have to disagree with that!   i've been a member of this list for about 2
months and i have to say this is the best and nicest mailing list i've ever
been on.    i know when i first joined i wasn't sure i liked it here or all
the nigc posts and i even voiced my opinion alittle to harshly.   several
members here e-mailed me about it privately and not all of them were nice, but
i chose to stick around and i'm glad i did.   after i settled into the list
alittle i came to see that this is a great place with great people....not to
mention some great ig info.  now i feel very much at home here....as do many
others.

lynn :-) <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
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reprinted without permission from the cleveland plain dealer, sunday
oct. 10, 1998.

faith and forgiveness
by diana keough

my friend was executed on the third of february and i haven't been able
to stop thinking about her. imagining her walk to her own death, calmly
lyind down on the death chamber gurney, turning her head to look into
the face of her harshest critic, only to wish him peace, plays over and
over in my head. so does her statement, "i'm going to be with jesus
now."

it didn't surprise me to learn she died with a smile on her face. nor
did it surprise me to hear she felt very uncomfortable with the fuss
surrounding her execution-- the demand for interviews, the onslaught of
supporters and critics-- which made her death, in the eyes of most, a
political issue.

"this isn't a man thing," she said, "it's a god thing." and she knew
better than the rest of us. she had said it didn't upset her when people
doubted her faith in jesus christ and the dramatic change that faith
brought about in her.

"all they have to do is spend time with me and get to know my lord," she
told me.

before i met her, i doubted her conversion, dismissed it as a death row
pretense and a play for public sympathy. but that was before i met
karla faye tucker brown and would be priviledged to call her my friend.

i met karla four years ago, following the death of my mom. my mom was
involved with the prison fellowship group that regularly spent time
"ministering to" the female inmates-- both the general population of
inmates and the inmates on death row-- in gatesville, texas.
when my mom began her visits to texas, i vocally disapproved,
considering her effort at "converting" these inmates a complete waste of
time. i was suspicious, to say the least, as my mother waxed poetic
about this murderer named karla, who, mom said, "was a wonderful,
spirit-filled person who had dramatically changed her life."

karla was sentenced to die for her part in the pickax slayings of two
people in june 1983.  those murders she committed as a 23-year-old,
strung-out-on-drugs prostitute are still considered two of the grisliest
in texas history.  my mom seemed to blithely forgive karla's horrible
crime while harboring extreme hatred and lack of forgiveness for my
father.  her rage toward him was understandable.

[the author goes on to tell how her father, after living "a secret,
double life for over 20 years," had given her mother aids. she also
details how her mother was "self-righteous, pious, and brutal" up until
she began to spend time with karla. "her summoning god to every one of
my beatings, " she writes, "made me conclude that her legalistic,
disapproving god, with his strict rules and unjust, daily punishment,
could never love me-- a rebellious, hardhearted, sinful daughter. my my
mom had always told me so."]

karla understood my mom immediately because, in a way, they were both
sitting on death row.  karla was condemned to die by the state of texas.
my mom was condemned to die by a set of self-righteous, constricting
social mores that kicked her out of her circle and left her standing
helplessly alone, watching as her church and social community fled from
the horror of her tragedy. all of those subgroups of people she and her
bejeweled, churchgoing friends had always felt justified in condemning
because of their sinful ways were now the ones offering her help,
sympathy, and, like karla, a hand to hold.  these undesirables loved her
and stood by her as christ would.  her former friends were too busy
whispering about her...

a month after my mom took her last breath, i entered the gatesville
prison on a quest to know what it was she had discovered there.  as that
last maximum-security door slammed behind me, i saw karla running toward
me, arms open wide.  it was my first exposure to death row prisoners and
i was frightened.  i was sure she could hear my heart pounding and, as
she held me, i was certain she could sense the chill in my bones and
feel my knees shaking.

"after all your mom's told me, i feel like i know you," karla told me.
sitting beside karla as she held my hand, i saw peace beaming from the
face of this woman who had so much to be forgiven for, and knew she had
been. i couldn't stop staring. she had been stripped bare of pretenses
and had nowhere to hide. her peace. where does her peace come from?

"god always brings you to a place where you'll finally listen," karla
said to me, "and for me it was really, really low.  it was pretty low
for your mom, too."  karla knew she was going to die--she even knew the
date of her death-- but was able to wipe my tears away as i was leaving
and say, "don't be sad.  i know where i am going and so did your mom."
as i left her, the bible stories of my youth took on a new meaning and
made sense, in light of a forgiving god...

most people think all they need to do to get to heaven is "be good."
but...all of jesus' teachings refute that. all we must do, the bible
says, is cry, "help!" the beauty of god's grace... is that it doesn't
depend on what we have done for god, but on what god has done for us.

i am not making a statement about the pros and cons of capital
punishment.  more importantly, i am in no way minimizing the horrible,
brutal crime karla committed or the pain and suffering of the victims
and their families.  karla never did, either.  i am saying, however,
when she died, she was not the same woman who brutally murdered those
two people.  when my mom died, she wasn't the same person either, and,
because of god's grace, i, too, am no longer the same.

before my dad died, he used to sit in church and sob, expecially during
the music and singing. i pressed him to tell me why being in church
always brought him to tears and he said, "i just can't get over the fact
that god would forgive someone like me."

i thank god he forgives and extends his hand of grace, able to change us
so dramatically from the inside out. otherwise, there would be no hope
for any of us.

keough is a cleveland freelance writer.

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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 15:46:26 -0400
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could someone send me the lyrics to "faye tucker?" i'm heavily involved in
the struggle against the death penalty (likely heading to texas next year
to handle death row appeals on behalf of indigent defendants). it's nice
to see two of my interests, my work and my music, coming together like
this.

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to get all i deserve and to give all i can,
and to love a young woman that i don't understand..."
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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 15:49:35 -0700
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i know their are spelling mistakes so no need to point that out. go to
http://members.theglobe.com/djlamb23/default.html missy

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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 13:30:20 pdt
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to anyone who is thinking about dying their hair amazing
indigo(blue-black) be warned that it does not come out in a month, try
more like a year. my blueblack hair turned to a merky green/gray after a
month and stayed that way for 1/2 year. then i spent 4-hours bleach
burning it out. my head felt like it was on fire for a week-that was
manic-panic hair dye

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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 14:15:02 -0700
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at the risk of sounding like a psycho may i be the first to cry happy tears and say "praise jesus!!!"??
this is going to be my "backup" email address because now yahoo won't let me in.
the internet hates me. so here i am...

*hugs*

lamia
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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 19:23:30 edt
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hey, i'm about to settle down after a crazy weekend of trail blazing to the
evil tv to watch _a will of their own_ (nbc). and, i'm wondering what ig is
thinking about re: shepard's murder. i'm wondering is emily is questioning
whether it is in fact alright to hate that way?

re: snl. am i too sensitive or is snl really perpetuating the problems and
stereotypes of gay women and men? dont' get me wrong i like snl. just last
night was the first time i'd seen it in a long time....have they always been
that insensitive?

-chee

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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 10:10:33 pdt
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ok now i feel like the internet is out to get me..i got it all done,
unsubscribed from everything, resubscribed to everything at yahoo and
then what happens?? yahoo won't let me in.
right when i log in it tells me i need to log in again because i've been
on too long, or my browser won't accept cookies, or that my time/date on
my computer is wrong. so i checked it all, it's all ok. i can't get into
saliers__ray my mother can't get into her yahoo account. is it our
computer or is it yahoo?
i'm hoping yahoo's just having a temporary problem. :p
is there anyone who knows?? and does anyone know how i can get in
contact with yahoo to ask what's up??

please reply to me privately since i can't get list mail :p

*hugs*

lamia

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is ig still on tour at all? does anyone know if their coming to the
northwest anytime soon? i wish they'd come to seattle more often.

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date:         mon, 19 oct 1998 10:46:49 +1000
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hey folks,

this was sent to the news list but it's more appropriate
for here instead... send replies to joanna at
c9709180@alinga.newcastle.edu.au...

cheers,
sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  a+e=ig
sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au                   [sydney, australia]
"we're born to shimmer, we're born to shine, we're born to radiate.
we're born to live, we're born to love, we're born to never hate..."
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from: joanna <c9709180@alinga.newcastle.edu.au>
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subject: indigo midis?

hi everyone,

sorry for the lack of news - just a question (but it will probably
interest others as well - if it hasn't been already covered a million
times - apologies for repeation in that case)

does anyone know where i could find midis of any ig songs on the web?

also is it possible to post to the other list without being on it?

thanks in advance :)
joanna - c9709180@alinga.newcastle.edu.au
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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 17:54:47 -0700
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ok i need advice!
someone (not on this list) emailed me at my other email address about
doing a trade. she was pretty much a newbie, she said she had done one
trade before. i explained to her how to do a blank/postage trade (send
me two tapes, one for the tori show, one for the ig show) bla bla
bla..i was doing a 1:1 for her cuz that's what i pretty much do most
of the time...
once i explained it to her she was like:

"you want me to pay for postage to get the tapes to you and back to
me??" like i was taking advantage of her..i was afraid i was going to
have a problem and sure enough she sent me the tapes in regular
envelopes and with no postage to get them back.
so i emailed her, and explained to her that the tapes will probably
get damaged and that i'll wrap them in bubble wrap before i send them
back to her, but she needs to send me postage.
she appologized, and said she'd send the postage to me asap.

so then she emails me yesterday:
"lamia! where are my tapes? are you going to tape them for me? are you
keeping my tapes because i haven't sent you postage?"

which makes me feel like a total ass, but i mean i don't mind paying
for part of the postage if someone messed up and accidentally put too
little, but it honestly seems like she's trying to screw me over! i'm
not obligated to pay to send them back to her, we didn't do a 2:1, and
her whole attitude has been really negative as if i'm trying to take
advantage of her. which i'm not..it's not like i can reuse the tapes
and i'm holding out on her or something, she sent type one tapes, but
i have a policy on my page that says if no postage is sent i keep
them. she's making me feel like crap, but i explained all this to her
before she even sent the tapes.
what should i do??? :(

*hugs*

lamia

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i will not stay still, stay silent,
be good, be modest, be seen and not heard, no!...
a precise emotion seeks a precise expression.
if what i feel is not precise then should i call it love?"
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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 21:06:35 -0400
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i must say, i think that some of the nicest people belong to the ig list!
i haven't met very many "mean" people here....
it is a shame that emilio thinks that, but then again, this is coming from
someone who called someone a "bitch" to the whole list, and complete;y
made up bulls*it about one of the nicest people i've ever met...

love,
karen :-)

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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 19:15:08 -0700
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hey ya'll i've got a ton of stuff up at ebay if you want to check it
out:
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewlisteditems&userid=lamia

including a cd where amy sings backup and cooper seay does some
guitar. there's also some juliana hatfield related stuff, a
wallflowers promo...etc..check it out!

*hugs*

lamia

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date:         sun, 18 oct 1998 19:22:26 -0700
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i know i've asked you to mail me before, but since hotmail messed up
again and again i need you to email me again! i just now realized you
sent me 2 seperate tapes/postage for ani and ig and i need to know
what you want to do!

thanks! sorry to waste bandwith!
*hugs*

lamia

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hey folks! just wanted to file a report on michelle's awesome gig
tonight at the bluebird cafe.

first of all, michelle looked great.  she looked a lot healthier than
she did when i saw her in april and in may.  she was in good spirits and
down right feisty!  michael lorant accompanied her on drums/percussion
and backing vocals, and added to the fun vibe. :)

she mentioned that the last time she played at the bluebird, she had to
cut her set short and drive home as fast as she could 'cause she was
sick. (that was when she had her surgery a few months ago) she said
she felt much better this time around and wanted to make up for that
night. actually, she played a kick-ass show that particular night and
hid the fact that she felt like hell pretty well, imho.

i can't remember the exact order of her set list, so i'm just going to
list the songs (chronologically):

long way down
teen lament
grace
my green thumb
blue suede
the edge
medicate magdalene (i think she sang this...i could be
imagining, though)
green
on my way
learn to cry
butter biscuit
one song i have heard before, but don't know the name of. a new
song, perhaps?

i honestly didn't expect her to sing butter biscuit here.  the largely
female crowd went wild when she sang it.  just beforehand, though, she
looked over at michael and said "i wanna do butter biscuit!"  i yelled
out "sing it!!!"  i'm so glad she did.  the crowd loved it.  her vocals
were incredibly sultry on the edge...she just stretched it out and drove
the crowd nuts.  michael's presence really added to the show.  his
vocals, especially on long way down, were a great complement to
michelle's. and with michael on drums, michelle was able to rock out and
goof off a little more.  they seemed to have a lot of fun.  it was a
short set, only about 45 minutes, but it was a blast.  on an ironic
note...the waitress working there tonight looked like amy ray circa
indigo girls / nomads, indians, saints era (with a little softer
features).  i thought i would die.   gotta start going there more often!
(i left her a very large tip, btw)  ;)

michelle said she is going to be playing in atlanta on nov. 6th.
speaking of atlanta, where are the reviews of her show at eddie's
saturday night?

peace,

joan :-d

i'm way behind everyone but... jilly (i think) was talking about hair dye
that doesn't wash out... if it says 24 washes then it's got peroxide in
it, and it's one step down from permanent and it probably won't wash out
cos the dye forms *inside* the hair shaft. if it says six washes it's
pre-formed dye, a totally different chemistry, and it will come out (but
it'll probably go all over your pillow and stuff too)...

sharon

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thoughts to live by

do not undermine your worth by comparing yourself with others.
it is because we are different that each of us is special.
do not set your goals by what other people deem important.
only you know what is best for you.
do not take for granted the things closest to your heart.
cling to them as you would your life, for without them, life is meaningless.
do not let your life slip through your fingers by living in the past nor for
the future.
by living your life one day at a time, you live all the days of your life.
do not give up when you still have something to give.
nothing is really over until the moment you stop trying.
it is a fragile thread that binds us to each other.
do not be afraid to encounter risks.
it is by taking chances that we learn how to be brave.
do not shut love out of your life by saying it is impossible to find.
the quickest way to receive love is to give love;
the fastest way to lose love is to hold it too tightly.
do not dismiss your dreams.
to be without dreams is to be without hope;
to be without hope is to be without purpose.
do not run through life so fast that you forget not only where you have been,
but also where you are going.
life is not a race, but a journey to be savored each step of the way.

yes, it's true.  our own wendy bucklew will be making her national
television debut on a show called "cd highway," which will begin airing
coast to coast on pbs in february 1999.  (unless, of course, someone books
her for some other national show between now and then, which could
happen...)  the producers have kind of put us in the cone of silence about
"cd highway" because they don't want to be "scooped," but let's just say
that it features established and emerging artists.

if you'd like to see wendy emerge, and who doesn't, please join us for the
taping on saturday, october 24th at local hero in ojai, california.  this is
an intimate music room tucked behind a cool book store.  show starts at 8pm
and there is a $5 cover.  address is 245 e. ojai ave, ojai, (805) 646-3165.
(we recommend yahoo maps for directions.)  for tour updates, check out
wendy's website at http://songs.com/wendy

thanks and hope to see you there.

hey y'all,

i was just watching an mtv news brief, and they were talking about matthew
shepard.  they went to capitol hill to cover the rally by various gay
rights groups.  anyway, they found ellen and interviewed her.  she was
talking about the use of the word "fag".  what she said was so true...when
you hear that word, you have to speak out and say something.  i mean, so
much gay hatred starts with using the word fag.  and look at what hate can
lead to...
then they went to the univ. of wyoming and interviewed some of matthew's
friends.  people were outraged that there is even talk that this crime was
not a hate crime.  i agree...this was not just a robbery or "another"
murder.  it was a hate crime.
finally, mtv announced that they are starting a campaign aganist violence,
sexual assult, and hate crimes.  good for them!  i mean, they may play
really bad music videos, but they have great intentions.
okay, bye!
love,
karen :-)

>thinking about re: shepard's murder. i'm wondering if emily is
questioning whether it is in fact alright to hate that way?

i don't think that emily is questioning whether it is "alright" to
hate...i think that what she is trying to say (though i think there are
other ways she could have said it) is that the people who are doing the
hating can keep on hating if they want, but face the "truth of the
matter" which will "come around some day."  in other words, their
actions may very well come back to haunt them.  in light of the recent
violence against gays (both in wyoming and here in chicago where i
live), i'm not sure that the lyrics of this song sit so well with me
now.  there's a certain amount of passicism, and i don't like that...i
don't like the idea of sitting around and living amidst the anger or
hate and knowing, 'oh, gee, someday it'll change and then they'll be
sorry.'

other people's opinions most welcome.
shelley

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i debated before sending this to the list - but it was forwarded to me from
another music-lover and i thought some of you would want to read it. maybe
this guy is trying to be funny, at least in part - i can see some of the
humor, and heck - maybe some of you will agree with him - but college marching
band was one of the best times in my life, and performances are almost always
underappreciated by the public. remarks like these just don't help - stay for
halftime sometime - you'll see what i mean.

this following article was quoted directly from one of the sports
writers of the deseret news in salt lake city, utah. his name is doug
robinson. here's his email address and phone number. please tell him
what you think of his high quality article below. <drob@desnews.com>
801-237-2161
the article is dated the 12th of october, 1998

football halftimes stuck in time warp

by now i suppose you heard about that outrageous brawl that broke out
between two marching bands during a college football game. probably you
had the same reaction as i did: hey, a step in the right direction!
    let's face it, halftime could use the help. on an entertainment
scale, halftime ranks somewhere between infomercials and hanging
wallpaper. if halftime is so great, how come they never show it on tv?
    after years of study conducted from press boxes around the country,
i think i have discovered the chief flaw of halftime: marching bands.
(parades suffer from the same fatal flaw.) who voted and made marching
bands your official halftime entertainment? does anybody actually listen
to marching band music? do you know anyone who has purchased a cd of
marching band tunes and groove on it in his car?
    what halftime needs is something else. such as guitars. or stupid
pet tricks.
halftime is stuck in a time warp. i'm guessing that marching bands were
hip at some time in history - but so were leisure suits. whereas time
has marched on elsewhere in the world, halftime is the same shtick it
was 30 years ago.
    i have noticed some disturbing marching band trends:
    -what's the deal with those uniforms? they're due for a change -
like yesterday. most of them look like something out of george
washington's closet.
    -enough already with that little majorette guy (i think it's a guy)
high-stepping across the field. whose idea was this, richard simmons'?
    -what's with the halftime spelling bee? do bands spell things at
halftime to show up the football team, because not only can they spell
the school name correctly, but they can do it while playing clarinets?
talk about excitement.
    -marching bands subscribe to the theory of overkill. if you can play
it once, you can play it a thousand times. play it till it hurts. there
is some sort of marching band law, for instance, that requires bands to
play the rocky theme or "be my girl" at every halftime show.
    on the other hand, they might be playing other songs and i wouldn't'
know it. marching band music tends to sound the same. "seventy six
trombones" sounds identical to "hey jude". and when a band tries to do
something hip, it comes off like the boston pops trying to do "stairway
to heaven." does anyone actually watch halftime? are there halftime
afficionados? halftime clubs? people who can't wait to get the football
teams off the field so they can hear the rocky theme? do they have their
own magazine?
    if the entire marching band marched onto the field wearing nothing
but their tubas, nobody would notice. halftime is time to get popcorn,
go to the bathroom, visit your neighbor, look at the program. nobody
ever nudged you at halftime and said, "hey, listen to this tune!" or,
"hey, look there's a fight in the tuba section; someone got knocked on
his brass."
    halftime took on new meaning when southern and prairie view a&m
played a game a few weeks ago. at halftime, the marching bands got into
a fight. while fighting is not generally desired outside of hockey
arenas, it was still a big improvement in halftime entertainment. i'll
bet nobody went out for popcorn. finally, a real battle of the bands.
    apparently, what happened, according to all the finger pointing, is
that when the prairie view band was done with it's performance, the
southern band pushed them off the field so they could begin their
performance. southern denies this. my guess is they heard the rocky
theme one too many times and finally snapped. even marching bands have
their limits.
    anyway, the bands, raging as they are with testosterone, fought for
20 minutes! it lasted longer than mike tyson's last fight. it took
sheriff's deputies and university police to break it up.
    "this has never happened before," said prairie view band director
george edwards.
    i couldn't tell if he was disappointed.
    it must have been a terrific fight. four tubas were bent during the
scuffle. they cost $5,000 each (they're made of gold?!). uniforms and a
saxophone were also reported missing. a few people were also reported
missing. a few people were taken to the hospital, including a member of
the prairie view band who was hit in the face with a musical instrument.

can a wwf act be far behind?
the conference suspended the marching band for a couple of games,
but this was way too lenient in my view. clearly, marching bands are
dangerous. they're a threat to themselves. let's nip violence in the bud
and put a stop to it now. it's for their own good. honest. tell them,
thanks, we enjoyed the show, but maybe we'll try something else now
after 75 years or whatever it is. we'll buy the cd.

doug robinson, deseret news sports columnist. work: 801-237-2161
email:drob@desnews.com
www.desnews.com

>what songs inspire you to act up or speak out? do any of you have a
>song in particular that hit you as a personal call for action?

a non-ig song that has always inspired me is "testify" by melissa
etheridge. she wrote it in response to the murder of harvey milk.

kris

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i don't think emily is encouraging anyone to just sit around or in any way stating that she sits around, waiting for something to change on its own. i think she realizes that effecting change sometimes seems like an insurmountable feat. she is advocating trying all you can, but not sitting and brooding over the apathy of people or their active resistance to any sort of change or acceptance. "...ran as hard as i could--still ended up here, but it's alright." i.e. it's alright that i still ended up here because i know i tried my best and gave it my all.

mho,
toye
"...when you hate me, i can still love you."
--amy ray
shelley wrote:

there's a certain amount of passicism, and i don't like that...i
> don't like the idea of sitting around and living amidst the anger or
> hate and knowing, 'oh, gee, someday it'll change and then they'll be
> sorry.'
>

hi everyone.  my  name is kirsten and i am fairly new to the list, though my
girlfriend welcomed me a few weeks ago.  i went to see ig at lilith fair,
merriweather and they covered a song called water is wide.  i just recieved
the boot of that concert and love the song, but it is not very clear.  does
anyone have this song on tape (and is of good quality), know who originally
sings it, or can be of help in any way?  please email me with any info.
thanks!!

kirsten

could someone who does a lot of dubbing please email me privately? i have
a question. thanks.

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if it's the same "water is wide" that i sang in mid-school choir, its a traditional folk song...i think.

maybe someone else has more intelligent info.

peace,
shel

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> if it's the same "water is wide" that i sang in mid-school choir, its a
> traditional folk song...i think.

   at lilith '97, it stopped us dead in our tracks.
   there was a smokestack, i mean, womyn in the seats behind us who
insisted on trying to fumigate my 10 year old sister during emmylou
harris's set, provoking an altercation.  ("ma'am, i don't mind if you kill
yourself, but i'll be unhappy if you kill my little sis.")
   well, i think she wanted to sit down during the ig set, but we were
dancing our asses off, and -- so when they started singing the water is
wide, we just froze when sarah and emmylou came out onto stage.
   and the lady snapped, "it's by simon and garfunkel, now sittdown!!"

darius

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i really don't think it's by simon and garfunkel. i've sung (sang? singed?
:)) it before, and i'm almost positive it's either a traditional folk song
or a spiritual.

shannon

p.s. hi again! i've been gone and/or lurking for the past 5 months or so!

sorry to post this to the list - if anyone has gotten tapes from me in
the last few weeks, please check them right away - if there is a
fade-in, fade-out quality, please let me know and i'll redo them for you
- i think something's wrong with my demagnetizer, i'll be getting a new
one today. i'm so sorry if this has happened to you - email me and i'll
try to fix it.
-tara

>what songs inspire you to act up or speak out? do any of you have a
>song in particular that hit you as a personal call for action?

well i won't say it necessarily inspired me, but in my inspiration, this
song came to mind. i was on a panel talking to incoming freshman at the
uni here talking about diversity, and i said "it's like one of my favorite
groups said...'you gotta learn to respect what you don't understand'..."

*heh*
--audra

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

*****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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hi, i founf the complete lyrics and stuff on the following web page. hope it
helps someone:

http://ingeb.org/songs/thewater.html

don't know if it'll answer all the questions, but it's a start...

love
kar

with regards to the discussion about emily's comments in "it's alright,"
emily said:

"the truth that people are missing about certain things, you know when
they get fearful and they get hateful, and they repress other peoples, is the
greatest truth of all, you know, the truth of love and understanding and
clarity about all those issues. and it's like, one day, one day,
everybody's gonna know, myself included, over certain things. but, so it's
like, it's alright, you know, you hate me now, but that's cool, because i
see a better day and i know that there's a higher truth, and you're wrong
about hating me because i'm gay."-emily saliers

i don't remember where exactly this quote was from, but she said it
sometime around june '97.

andi

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                       "maybe that's all that we need
                 is to meet in the middle of impossibility
                      we're standing at opposite poles
                 equal partners in a mystery"-emily saliers
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hey y'all.  i have the sheet music for this from when my high school
sang it.  it says it is a "folk song adapted by luigi zaninelli" and
"collected by cynthia gooding."  i hope this helps somebody out.  erin
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hey everyone,

based on some recent post ideas and a recent experience i've come up
with a hypothetical question for y'all...

so, last night i was out with my partner and and a friend eating dinner.
the place we were at usually plays their music ear-bleeding loud, which
once you know this, well, it's your choice to return, if you can put up
with the intense volume. but, that's not the problem/point... i just
wanted you to know, the music playing was very, very *loud* (particularly
for a restaurant).

now, the important part: the music was also very, well... scary. i've
*never* heard anything like it, and i have no idea who or what it was.
basically, it sounded like a mix between very high-speed, wacked-out
techno <even more than techno is naturally :) > and skull-crushing,
death-seeking heavy-metal. that really isn't a sufficient description.
but, suffice it to say that to me (and my companions) it was weird and
scary (didn't help that it was extremely loud, too)... and i'm not tame
when it comes to music, i thought i had pretty much heard it all...

so, after 10 mins or so of listening to this, i lean over to my partner
and my friend and say, "could you imagine if this was put out by indigo
girls?" (they, of course, knowing where ig stand in my world.)

so, my hypothetical question is this, "how would you deal with/what would
you do if amy and emily put out an album that was so *radically* different
than anything they've ever done and that you could ever fathom them to do,
and that ultimately, you thought was the weirdest, craziest, and/or
scariest music you'd ever heard?"

just to clarify, i'm not talking about the differences between the albums
they have put out, that go along with musicians' growth and change... i
mean *radical*, *radical* difference (this is the whole basis of the
question) also, i had never heard anything like this before, so i don't
necessarily mean what if they put out an album of music of a genre you
know you don't like, although you may consider that aspect by all means if
you want...

would you try to like it anyway, because you "love them" so much and
respect them?

what if you just couldn't get into it all, would you just wait for them to
put out the next album, that hopefully you liked better?

would you go to a concert during this album's tour (perhaps, just to get
to see them)? <there's an "obsessed" thing right there.>

etc., etc...

again, i don't just mean, if you thought the album wasn't as good as
others, but if it was so, *so* different that you wouldn't know it was
them unless someone told you, what would you do?!

this crazy girl is just wondering!!

peace, melissa

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -amy ray

-my life is more than a vision -emily saliers

-i am a problem child/ i've been wild all my days/ all my anger and my
rage/ my senses said it would lead me astray/ i said go, go, go -a.r.

a while ago we were talking about songs ig should cover. how about this:
beast of burden by the rolling stones. emily's guitar and amy's yells, hot
damn would that rock!

if the music was marilyn mason type stuff, or really violent and
anti-female, anti-human, i wopuld be incredably upset. i guess i'd go to a
concert just to see if there was some tongue in cheek thing going on, or if
maybe they were doing it to shock people into examining the hatred that
runs rampid in society (look at me, rationalizing a hypothetical album!). i
honestly don't know what i'd do. if it was just heavy metal stuff, i'd find
something to like in it (like watching amy scream), but again, if
ethically, morally, it freaked me out, i would be disillusioned pissed, and
would no longer be a fan in quite the same way. but probably i'd still buy
the next album in hope of a turn around.

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i get the posts in digest format, and i read 'em every day (several times a day
if i'm lucky).  lately, i feel like i've been missing posts, though, because
i've come across replies, which include segments from earlier posts that i
don't remember reading.  has anyone else experienced this?  any ideas on what's
happening here?  it took me long enough to find this list -- i don't want to
miss amything!!

-- heidi

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i was so pleased to read leslie c.'s (ndigogrls@aol.com) post because i thought
i was the only one!  sound familiar?  i also grew up in the 60s and 70s.  my
parents were ethical humanists.  back then, our entire circle of friends were
tree huggin', folk singin', vegetarian, anti-war protest marchin' types.  my
parents listened to a canadian folk duo (then, a married couple) called ian &
sylvia.  they had really interesting harmonies.  on sundays, instead of going
to religious school, i attended classes with other koh (kids of hippies).  we
would talk about winter solstice, and why nestle was bad.  it was all i knew.
i didn't realize how really special it all was.  i think that's why i make the
trek back to newport every summer, because it re-kindles those memories for
me.  i'm very political-minded today; i credit it to those experiences, and i'm
grateful for them.  cool topic, chee!

-- heidi

i would have to say that i would buy it. if they did something like heavy
metal, even though the years of head banging are behind me, i would probably
still love the passion amy would bring to it. these two add so much to every
project that they do that i would have to believe that they would do even a
great heavy metal album,
peace love and light
beccie lyon
......i'm going to love you good and strong while our love is good and
young......

y'all!  this is going to be a really good thing if we can keep this up.  this
may end up being something special.  but, i got a question:  how are we going
to copyright this?  i'm not worried about anybody ripping me off, but what if
this became a real thing....like a band??  ooh...just think.  shelley records
producing/distributing the indigo girls mailing listees' tapes.

-chee

im looking for least compilated which has i dont wanna talk about it,
stand up (feron, amy and emily), butlerfield (caroline aiken, amy and
emily), rockin in the free world (ks choice, amy, emily), uncle johns band
(dedicated, a grateful dead tribute), and it wont take long (rock for
choice cd)...id be willing to do a trade or send two tapes to whoever has
this or these songs..let me know..thanks!!!

jeanette

'they can't hurt you unless you let them'
-everclear

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                       find my way back to you'
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on mon, 19 oct 1998, sweets wrote:

> i really don't think it's by simon and garfunkel.

i thought everybody on this list knew by now to not take my word at
face value... :)

> i've sung (sang? singed? :)) it before, and i'm almost positive it's
> either a traditional folk song or a spiritual.

i believe it's a traditional folks song of irish origin.

darius

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on mon, 19 oct 1998, sweet melissa wrote:

> now, the important part: the music was also very, well... scary. i've
> *never* heard anything like it, and i have no idea who or what it was.
> basically, it sounded like a mix between very high-speed, wacked-out
> techno <even more than techno is naturally :) > and skull-crushing,
> death-seeking heavy-metal.

was it in german? there's a technoish/death metal band from germany
called rammstein that has been getting a lot of airplay in our apartment
(along with b.b king, gnr, faith hill, frank zappa, and ig ... wackass)
because they're really fun.

> so, my hypothetical question is this, "how would you deal with/what would
> you do if amy and emily put out an album that was so *radically* different
> than anything they've ever done and that you could ever fathom them to do,
> and that ultimately, you thought was the weirdest, craziest, and/or
> scariest music you'd ever heard?"

i just can't imagine that. we get a lot of nin, manson, hard-core
killing-people death-rap because my roommate's big into that stuff. it
doesn't really impress me, but i'm willing to acknowledge that some of it
is decent.

> would you go to a concert during this album's tour (perhaps, just to get
> to see them)? <there's an "obsessed" thing right there.>

i would love to see any band pull off an "eat your children" song, and
then segue into "love will come to you." that would knock my socks off.

darius

hey -

went to this used cd store i just found out about - they have new and
used cd's.  pretty neat - i was looking thru the cheapie bin - my fave
- and found lift!!  woo hoo!  as far as new cd's i saw catie curtis
there too - im hoping to get one of her cd's soon.  anyhoo - i also
found (used) barbara kessler & wendy bucklew!!  im very excited!

just wanted to share -

take it easy -
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well...i would buy the album...i am open to hearing all kinds of music...i
just however happen to be partial to our indigo girls!
as far as scary music goes...my little sister wanted to go to the ozzfest
about 2 years ago when marilyn manson was one of the headlining acts...my
mother, who is deathly afraid of his music, volunteered me to take my little
sister to this concert...i said "what the heck..a day of sun with some music
and some quality time with the sis" when i got there i was surprisingly
entertained by all of the acts...in particular manson- i am not a fan, but his
antics and performance inspired my to read his autobiography this spring to
learn more about the household name...but not all of this metal thrashing
music is bad....at ozzfest i became a fan of the band called downset...they
preach against women's violence and for women's rights with their hardcore
music...and their cd's make good driving music for those all night driving
trips..

so would i go see ig if they put out a *radical* album? no doubt...heck...i
might even like it...

indigo smile to y'all
jen

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i've played around with the maxell tapes, dubbing from cd's for use in my
walk(wo)man and car.  i haven't been able to catch any difference in sound
quality.   (though a more discerning ear or better equipment might be able
to--i'd like to know too.)the only thing i can think of as a difference is the
heat resistant tapes are what one should use in the car.  i read an article a
few years back that the actual tape is not affected my the kind of heat that
builds up in a car, but that it's the cassette shell that can melt.  it could
be that the other properties listed on the heat-resistent tapes' packaging are
likewise intended to make that kind of tape able to stand up to the kinds of
problems that come up in cars.
     i think that the list should take up this as a "thread" and we should
share our various expertise with each other about the best brands and types of
tapes on the market.  just an idea.
freida.

freida l. garigin wrote:
>
> i've played around with the maxell tapes, dubbing from cd's for use in my
> walk(wo)man and car. i haven't been able to catch any difference in sound
> quality.
> i think that the list should take up this as a "thread" and we should
> share our various expertise with each other about the best brands and types of
> tapes on the market. just an idea.
> freida.
>

some of it boils down to sheer marketing-the old-pay more for the "new &
improved" s versions-ploy. some claim that you can saturate the s tapes
better by recording at higher levels. i seem to get an extra 2db out of
them.
the shells are very different as jilly previously mentioned. better
plastic, better "slip-sheets" inside for less friction. they rewind
quietly. they probably can better stand the heat
of being in the car (but no one on this list leaves tapes in the hot
car, do we?)

over the years the price difference between the two has diminished to
where its a tough call to choose. if you're recording priceless
originals, spring for the extra sonic insurance. if your just copying
another tape on a simple tape machine, save the $.75.

--andrew

when i really spent time learning ig songs, i came to the realization that
amy and emily are the simon and garfunkle (sp?) of now! they are the heirs to
that intense, honest, intelligent folk/rock legacy, updated and lesbian chic.
anyone else think so?
freida.

>what songs inspire you to act up or speak out? do any of you have a
song in particular that hit you as a personal call for action?

ani difranco!
willing to fight.

groovy song. great lyrics.

"you've got your whole life to do something
and that's not very long..."

*hugs*

lamia

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hey folks,

a couple items i picked up recently...

put on your green shoes cd with the indigo girls doing wild wild party
under the loquat tree - $12

rites of passage song book - this book shows some wear..specifically on
the back it looks like it got scratched with something. the binding and
pages are fine and it would be fine for using to play guitar with - $10

closer to fine white label promo 7" single - $12

club r & r and epic records present an acoustic evening with the allman
brothers and the indigo girls - (silver disc) - $85

honor - 2 cd set with ig doing blood quantam - $10

michelle malone - beneath the devil moon - $9

michelle malone - bird on fire signed white label promo cd - $25

jonatha brooke and the story - 3 track promo cd w/ nothing sacred, war,
west point - $10

joni mitchell - how do you stop 2 versions promo single - $7

20 x 30 photo of the girls in concert - $40

20 x 30 photo of amy ray - $40

the photos listed above were taken by me - they are first run prints of
my negative and are numbered 1 - 10 and dated. i also have some 8 x 10
photos available - if you are interested, please drop me a line.

blue e.p. 6 song cd w/ blister in the sun - $25

blue e.p. poster from lilith fair. these posters have been extremely
tough for me to get. i had hoped to find a bunch so i could offer a
better price, but it hasn't worked out. it's a great poster, but please
check around because you may do better than i was able to do. - $35

please write with any questions. postage is $3 per order (photos/photo
are $3 extra if ordered with other items)
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> when i really spent time learning ig songs, i came to the realization that
> amy and emily are the simon and garfunkle (sp?) of now! they are the heirs to
> that intense, honest, intelligent folk/rock legacy, updated and lesbian chic.

s&g had lesbian chic? i never knew... :)

actually, i've been batting around the paul simon comparison a lot
lately, because he is one of the greatest musicians - in that he will
learn a different style of music, but instead of making what sounds like
an insincere attempt to copy it, he assimilates it and makes it part of
his world view.
the ig have done that, especially with shaming.

darius

okay, my g/f works for hollywood video.  they allow their employees to check
out screeners of movies...which are advance copies of movies which are sent to
video stores before the release date of the video so the people who run the
stores can check out the movie.  anyway, they just got in the screeners for
south park volumes 4, 5, and 6.  on volume 6 i think is the christmas episode
with mr. hankey the christmas poo.  the cartoon after it is called don't f***
with wendy testaburger.  in it, mr. garrison, the kids' teacher, goes in for
rhinoplasty (a nose job), and they call in a substitute named ms. ellen.
chef, in his usual style, attempts to get ms. ellen to "make sweet love by the
fire" but is rejected.  he tells the kids that ms. ellen is a lesbian, to
which they respond "a lesbi-what??"  they then run around saying things like
"we just need to become lesbians" and "i'm a bigger lesbian than you are!"  at
one point, we see cartman face-down on the living room floor licking the
carpet.  when his friends ask him what the hell he's doing, he tells them
"well, my mom told me if i want to be a lesbian, i have to lick carpet."  stan
says something to the effect of cool, and pulls out a cd called "the indiglow
girls" (snicker) and says the guy at the music store said it was perfect
lesbian music or something like that.  then, when he puts it on, the song
sounds like a badly bastardized version of hammer and a nail.  anyway, i just
had to share that.  i thought it was fairly amusing.  in a twisted, deranged,
sick and wrong south park sorta way.....

dawn

ok this has barely anything to do with the song but...  i had this
really weird dream that there was a big muddy flood in san diego.  so as
i was fleeing across a bridge, i was looking at the muddy water beneath
me and i started sing water is wide.  my question, is it me or do y'all
have dreams that could come with their own sound tracks?  cuz it happens
to me all the time.  or is it me?

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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ok, thanks to my wonderful weekend spent in georgia with my good friend
johnna, i learned the correct chords to gone again.. while playing in front of
some guys in the lobby of a hotel, she informed me of this.. thanks jona!!!!
verses: g, bm, c, am, d
chorus: em, g, c, am, d, g

so there they are! viola! oh, and by the way, plans for emily's new store
watershed are for the grand opening to be this friday... just for your
information. those two girls must be some hard workers!!!!
take care all,
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freida wrote:

<< when i really spent time learning ig songs, i came to the realization that
amy and emily are the simon and garfunkle (sp?) of now! they are the heirs
to
that intense, honest, intelligent folk/rock legacy, updated and lesbian chic.
anyone else think so? >>

so that's where artie garfunkel got that high voice....;) but s&g never
rocked like amy.....

btw.....peter, paul & mary recorded "the water is wide" on their "in concert"
double album under the title "there is a ship".....

and another group with great harmony, the washington squares, recorded the
same song as "my true love and i" on their second album "fair and
square"....both their albums are combined on a single cd called "from
greenwich village: the complete washington squares" on razor and tie..... i
highly recommend it......

peace,
tim

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shelley wrote:

<< in light of the recent violence against gays (both in wyoming and here in
chicago where i live), i'm not sure that the lyrics of this song sit so well
with me now. there's a certain amount of passivism, and i don't like that...i
don't like the idea of sitting around and living amidst the anger or hate and
knowing, 'oh, gee, someday it'll change and then they'll be sorry.' >>

a story in todays buffalo news is an example of the danger created by the
current polarization of the religious right wing of the republican
party.....the story claimed that the increased pressure put on in congress by
this faction in the light of the coverage given to matt shepard's death
virtually insured that no federal anti-hate crimes legislation encompassing
crimes bases on gender or sexual orientation would be passed during the
current session of congress.....

an amerika that tolerates the picketing of the funeral of a young person
tortured and killed strictly because he was gay by a fascist "reverend" with
slogans of hate is a scary place indeed.... these people are serious.....d e
a d l y s e r i o u s.....

one of the ways the military uses to make it easier for soldiers to kill is to
de-humanize the enemy.....all the hate names are more than just a combination
of letters.....at the extreme, they are deadly weapons....

when you combine intolerance with religious self-righteousness the potential
for disaster is terrifying.....

remember the ayatollah's reign in iran????

it can't happen here???? in a country with a football and a six pack
mentality i wouldn't count on it.....

i pray that i am wrong.....

peace,
tim

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very exciting!!  i was searching for a a couple of ani boots and what to
my wondering eyes should appear?  but there is a boot out of ani
covering c2f!!!!  happy happy smilely me!!  i can't remember where it
was at but it is out there.  my stupid computer rebooted its self before
i could mark it.  sad.  so if y'all know that i am not crazy could you
possibly send me the address of where it is?  thanks for listening to my
rambling!

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ok, look at me posting too much but any ways....  i found the address
for the ig an d ani c2f.  it is here:
http://www.geocities.com/soho/gallery/1915/aniboot.html  sorry no school
for me tomorrow plus i am an insomniac.  smile!

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melissa asked:
>what if amy and emily put out an album so *radically* different
>than anything they've ever done...
>that ultimately,...was the weirdest, craziest, and/or
>scariest music you'd ever heard?"

wow, so, like, they'd be channeling mecca normal?

cool.

jill

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darius, you nut ;)
> i would love to see any band pull off an "eat your children" song,
and
>then segue into "love will come to you." that would knock my socks
off.

granted, it doesn't condone child-consumption, but the rocky horror
picture show soundtrack (igc: this was one of amy's desert island
discs) does come quite close...

from marginal kid content:
<the audience yells, "where are your children?">
<soundtrack sings>: "burning in the fireplace..."

to love:
"i'm not much of a man by light of day, but by night i'm one hell of a
lover"
<*giggle*-- the audience omits the "one hell of a lover" part and
instead sings "one sick mother****er". okay, maybe i'm the only one who
finds this amusing. no, no, scratch that, reverse it. *amy ray* likes
it too ;)>

to inspiration:
"..don't dream it, be it"

mmm mmm mmm. truly an epic saga of life, love, and transvestisism.

;) :p
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i was so pleased to read leslie c.'s post because i thought i was the only
one!  sound familiar?  i also grew up in the 60s and 70s.  my parents were
ethical humanists.  back then, our entire circle of friends were tree huggin',
folk singin', vegetarian, anti-war protest marchin' types.  my parents listened
to a canadian folk duo (then, a married couple) called ian & sylvia.  they had
really interesting harmonies.  on sundays, instead of going to religious
school, i attended classes with other koh (kids of hippies).  we would talk
about winter solstice, and why nestle was bad.  it was all i knew.  i didn't
realize how really special it all was.  i think that's why i make the trek back
to newport every summer, because it re-kindles those memories for me.  i'm very
political-minded today; i credit it to those experiences, and i'm grateful for
them.  cool topic, chee!

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sorry to beat the proveerbial dead horse, but i said i'd check at home
about water is wide and get back to you today -- hopefully this'll put an
end to any debate about the roots of this song.

according to rise up singing (1992), a collection of songs compiled through
the sing out! publication, water is wide is originally derived from the
british isles (they're not too specific about which one). it is also known
as waly waly. it has appeared on albums by pete seeger, joan baez, ronnie
gilbert, rory block, jackie washington, fred neil, beers family, bill
hinkley & judy larsen, carolyn hester & madeline macneil.

hope that helps.

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anyone in the chicagoland area want to go see dylan and joni mitchell with me (grumble grumble. this sunday, 10/25, at 7:00 pm at the united center...i have one extra ticket, (section 109, row 14)...i paid around $55 w. all the charges. please let me know! please, please!

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fyi, there's an article on sara lee in the advocate's october 27th issue.

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sorry to use up space but, robin, if you haven't gotten my emails, i did
not receive your two long ones yesterday and am desperate to do so. get in
touch, okay?
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well actually i would like ig to do some heavy hard rock stuff, along with
the stuff they've been doing. after seeing them in sst, they can really rock
too!!! well, i guess this doesn't really answer the question.......

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i think ig are better than s & g, because in s & g, the songs are mostly
written, and lead vocal by simon, where g is more of a supplement. but in ig a
& e are very equal in importance, but their styles are so different from each
other, hence they complement and add to each other's songs, hence make their
music stronger and more complex and have more depth. (plus a & e are cuter
too) any comments?

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personally, i am all kinds of ready for this next "folk-oriented" album so to
speak.. think.. amy, emily, guitars, mandolins, and banjo's.. ahhhhh.. the
life...

troop~

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 13:16:22 edt
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oooh, i normally dont like responding to these, but in this case i cannot help
myself.. simon and garfunkel are equally as important o me as indigo girls..
they are the first true musicians that ever interested me in the
singer/songwriter folky acoustic type stuff.. they were some of the first to
make it big using themselves and their harmonies and acoustics... i think we
(meaning those of us who prefer this type of music) owe alot to simon and
garfunkel, even though a.t did not write but one song. i would pay thousands
of dollars to see them perform again, just once.. anywhere... i cant really
say one is better than the other, because the generations are different, and
so are their meanings, but i do feel that the talent is equally there and so
should our appriciation be... dat's all.. it's not too often i get to rag on
and on bout how much i love them :)
good day,
troop again

ya'll, my dog (lucy) just went into surgery (extensive knee w/
anestesia) - please send mega powerfully good doggie health vibes my way
(richmond va) - she's my baby ya know... any other dog-lovers out there?
ya'll know what i'm going through! ugh - worried!!! (...."out in the
back with the barking dogs"....)

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 12:30:45 -0500
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i'm just listening to this show for the first time.  the quality is
excellent, the show is good, the copy is great.  i have one complaint.  one
of my favorite songs of late, dgtgag, is cut off almost completely.  not
only that but the audience is ooohing and ahhing over the fabulous
performance when the tape picks up again.  does anyone of a copy of this
with the complete song?  i must hear it!! thanks.

---------------------------
sheryl jones
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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 13:34:14 -0400
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i subscribe to the digest format, and was accustomed to getting approximately 4
messages per day.  i'm concerned that i'm s l o w l y  being dropped from the
list.  i've only received about 4 or 5 digests since friday night, and from
reading *replies* which include pasted sections of previous posts, i believe
i've missed quite a bit.  would one (or more) of the digest subscribers please
forward to me the most recent digest?  does anyone have suggestions on how i
might check my status?  are considerably fewer people posting because of that
argument about too much nigc, or am i really missing stuff?  i'm lonely without
my ig-friends!

-- heidi

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 14:13:01 edt
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i thought some of you might be intersted in this.

95 arrested at n.y. gay protest

by donna de la cruz

.c the associated press

new york (ap) -- a vigil to honor the gay wyoming college student who was
fatally beaten turned ugly, with dozens of protesters clashing with police
along new york city's fifth avenue. nearly 100 people were arrested.

police officers in riot gear and on horseback butted heads with the boisterous
throng of 4,000 people monday night.

''i was trampled by a horse ridden by a new york city police officer,'' said
ruth finklestein, who was sitting on a sidewalk nursing a swollen ankle.

more than 95 demonstrators were arrested for disorderly conduct and more
arrests were expected, deputy police commissioner patrick kelleher said.

organizers of the march did not apply for a city permit, he said, but police
had seen fliers and internet ads about it and were willing to let it continue
had sidewalk marchers not drifted into the streets.

the protest came nearly two weeks after matthew shepard, 21, was found beaten
and tied to a fence outside laramie, wyo. he died on oct. 12 and two people
have been charged with his murder. police have said robbery was a motive but
that shepard also was singled out because he was gay.

demonstrators waved signs reading ''where is your rage?'' and ''matthew
shepard -- killed by homophobia.'' some carried a coffin on their shoulders.

the rally comes as crime against gays in new york has increased significantly
over last year. city crime has fallen overall, but there were 76 gay bias
attacks through september -- about double the number reported through
september last year.

it was much more peaceful in laramie on monday, with 1,000 people slowly
exiting a memorial service for shepard on the university of wyoming campus
where he studied political science.

calls for political and social change were interspersed with memories of
shepard. his death has renewed a national debate over the effectiveness of
hate crime laws -- where they exist.

university president philip dubois said he hopes legislators will consider a
hate crimes bill, but he said ''no hate crimes statute, even had it existed,
would have saved matt.''

john romero, 21, a sociology major from cheyenne, wyo., said: ''there's a
sense of caring here. ... i feel it's raised the consciousness of the people
about violence and prejudice. good will come out of it, most definitely.''

ap-ny-10-20-98 0624edt

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 14:27:29 -0400
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        can somebody post the lyrics to go? i think i can pick most of
them out from the 9:30 boot, but i want to be sure.
        tara - lots of good energy to you and to lucy!
        while we're on the dog topic, does anyone know the canine count on
swamp ophelia? i seem to remember amy saying somewhere that "there are a
lot of dogs on this album" (although i don't remember where).
        thanks!

mandy

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 14:34:16 edt
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wahooo! i just finished tabbing out my very first solo.. thanks again johnna
for the inspiration! ok, i dont know all the terminology and how to type
slides and pulls and all that.. but here goes:

---------------------------0--------------------------------------------------
----
-----33------------------3----3-0-------------1-3-----------------------------
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-2/4-----4-42-4---2/4-------------4-24--24----------1-11--0-0--1/0----------0-
-
-------------------------------------------------------------------------2-02-
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----------------------------------------------------------3-----2/3--20-----0-
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------------------------1-33--------------0------0---3-5------------------3---
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--20----0-20----0--------------------0-----0----------------------------------
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------2-------2-----2------------0/2------------------------------------------
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---------------------23-23-5-7-8-7-10-8-7---3---------------------------------
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please let me know if this is all wrong...
take care,
trooper

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 14:43:33 edt
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here we go, lemme try again:

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 15:23:26 -0400
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at 05:59 pm 10/19/98 -0700, you wrote:
>went to this used cd store i just found out about - they have new and
>used cd's.  pretty neat - i was looking thru the cheapie bin - my fave
>- and found lift!!  woo hoo!  as far as new cd's i saw catie curtis
what an appropriate 'ending' considering the way molly and simone treated
julie and david.  they've sealed their own destiny.
...too bad because it really is a fabulous cd!!!!!!!!
...and what a shame we'll never hear anything like it again!!!!!!!!
cheri

reunion - "guards like watchdogs, dogs in a manger"
woodsong - "old dogs and the magician"
mystery - "out in the back with the barking dogs"
dead man's hill - "barking dogs and model planes"

lucy is done with surgery and is doing a-ok!! even better, the ligament
the doctor thought was torn, wasn't, and the only problem was a
dislocated kneecap which now has a nice new groove - so she'll fully
recover and run and jump and play - yea!!

thanks to everyone of lucy's well-wishers!! (and there were a *lot* of
you!!)

-tara

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 23:28:36 gmt
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please forward:

wired strategies
for immediate release
oct 20, 1998 - 6:25pm edt

contact: john aravosis, 202/328-5707, john@wiredstrategies.com

house republicans brag they killed hate crimes bill
contradict sen. lott's claim that bill would die because of no time

washington, dc - in a document just obtained by wired strategies, the
house republican conference (an arm of the us house of representatives
republican leadership) is taking credit for having "stopped" the hate
crimes bill. the house leadership document contradicts claims from
senate majority leader trent lott's staff that the hate crimes
protection act would not pass because congress had run out of time.

millions of americans, and citizens of the world, reacted in shock,
sadness and anger at the recent torture and death of 21-year-old
college freshman matthew shepard. shepard was abducted,
pistol-whipped, strung up as though crucified, and then left to die
for 18 hours on a cold wyoming road two weeks ago.

in a spontaneous show of anger and support, nearly 100 vigils have
taken place around the us and canada to honor shepard, highlight the
menace of hate crimes, and demand that congress immediately pass hate
crimes legislation. concerned individuals across the us and from as
far as zimbabwe, australia, and russia sent emails to the united
states congress, the wyoming governor, and web sites devoted to
matthew shepard's memory, expressing their concern about the shepard
case, and the need to pass hate crimes legislation. in addition,
americans nationwide, and in countries as far as hong kong, telephoned
us members of congress over the last several days to demand passage of
the bill.

the house document attacks the hate crimes bill as being a part of
"the president's big-government agenda," and calls the death of the
legislation "a win for conservative priorities." under a section
entitled "reinventing big-government -- presidential priorities the
congress stopped", the house leadership lists: "'hate crime' proposals
that criminalize motive rather than punish violent crime."

in a phone call this past friday, senator lott's staff told a
supporter that the legislation would die because it was simply too
late to bring it up this year - the staffer gave no indication of the
partisan strategy that now seems to be the reason for the bill's
death. the decision to kill the legislation came on the heels of a
new time/cnn poll released last saturday finding that 75% of americans
think the problem of violence against homosexuals is serious across
the country.

"the house leadership has dishonored the memory of matthew shepard for
partisan political gain," said john aravosis, an internet consultant
who has been maintaining a web site about the shepard case
<http://www.wiredstrategies.com/shepard.htm>. "it's incredible that
house republicans would brag about killing a bill that protects the
disabled, women and gay people from beating brutalized by hate," he
added.

"hate is not a family value, but it seems to be a conservative one,"
continued aravosis. "this wasn't a partisan issue, it was about the
savage murder of a kid that shocked millions of americans, both
republicans and democrats," aravosis added, "is that all matt's death
meant to gingrich - a chance to slam the president? is he that out of
touch?"

the house republican conference document can be found on the internet
at:
<http://143.231.67.32/issuefocus/talkingpoints/tpmain/score.htm>.

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 16:41:09 -0700
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ok ya'll!
i need help!
someone on this list dubbed me 3 tapes for a trade. they are 2 tdk and
one sony all regular bias. the tapes you dubbed me are:

honor the earth release party/peach jam interview/mtv
upplugged/millers (something?) interview

scholastic magazine sampler

daughters of the moon, sisters of the sun book discussion/live on cd-101

i don't know who you are but i hope you know who you are! *l* what
happened was my mom stuck these away somewhere and i didn't find them
until today when i was cleaning up and reorganizing all my boots. i
had never listened to them before, so i took them out and it turns out
that the casette that is supposed to be the daughters of the moon book
discussion/live on cd-101 is blank. both sides.

i can't remember who did this tape for me, i think it was back when i
was doing the ani/ig tape???? i remember whoever did it emailed me a
really long list with lots of ig and me stuff..and i remember thinking
that whoever it was must have every avaliable bootleg of the ig.

i don't know who you are cuz i deleted all that stuff out of hotmail
because i didn't think i needed it anymore, but you know who you are
so please email me!! now that i know that i had/have this i am dying
to listen to it!!!! thanks a lot!

*hugs*

lamia

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could someone please send me the lyrics to janis ian's song new christ
cardiac hero? it's on her self-titled album, but i've got it on a
compilation, so.. no lyrics for me :(

jill

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 18:36:50 -0700
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hey ya'll! can anyone:
a. point me toward a tutorial on how to do image maps?
or
b. tell me how to do image maps??

thanks a lot!

*hugs*

lamia

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hey all--
pardon the nigc, this is really for the indigohioans, but egroups is
screwing up all hotmail users posts for some reason.  so i can't send it
there.
anyways.
i saw patty griffin at wilbert's on sunday night.  here's my random
review. (hey lamia, didn't you say you're on the patty list? could you
send this to them too?  thankeee)
her opening band, a group called iodine, which she said were her
"favorite band in the whole world," were waaaay too loud.  like
cochlea-cramping.  but they were pretty good, of the sex
pistols-type-genre (if you like that kind of thing).  just two guys with
bedhead jumpin around.  the one guy, in particular (i don't know his
name, but he *was* wearing a shirt that said "doug" on it ;)) was
getting real big on the rockstar posing.  oy vey.  i'm so used to
*down-to-earth* musicians that i couldn't help laughing out loud at
these guys' stage antics.  man. anyways, real real loud.  i borrowed
melsouth's trick of rolling up toilet paper to make earplugs.  everyone
in the place was either plugging their ears or grimacing at the auditory
overkill.

when iodine was done and striking the stage, i went over to this
goofy-looking guy sitting along the back wall of the place. purists,
please excuse my ignorance; again, i don't know this guy's name either,
but he's patty's bassist.  curly black hair and little black-rimmed
glasses.  i walked over to him and said, real casual and friendly, "hey,
do you think you could maybe turn the sound levels down just a leeettle
bit before you guys play?"
he looked back at me and gave me the most supercilious look, and slowly
shook his head no, all the while giving me this look like, "i can't
*believe* this girl."
i looked at him like, what the hell? "you *can't*?" i asked.  he had to
be putting me on.
"'s'not my *job*," he said, leaning back in his seat.
i stared.  hello, ego.
"well," i said, trying not to sound as put-off as i felt, "do you think
you could ask your *tech* to do it?"
again, that slow, patronizing head shake. like he was watching a chess
match.
"nope," he said, "that's up to *him*."
i cast him an arched eyebrow and turned to walk away.  loser.
"all we can do," he said, supremely, "is do our *thing* and hope you
like it."
i turned back around.  "well, i *know* i'll *like* it, i just don't want
my *eardrums* to *bleed*," i shot, and walked away.

startrippy backup band members notwithstanding, patty put on an amazing
show.  i've never heard such an impressive range of styles, except from
em.  she went from bluesy jazz to rock to folk.  really incredible.  if
you haven't yet heard her stuff, do check her out.  i think she's only
released two cd's so far-- her first, acoustic one, is called living
with ghosts; her next one, with the band behind her, is called flaming
red.  and she is just such a fashion plate.  watching her onstage in her
crazy metallic platforms (note to self: must find shoes like that) and
slipdress, two things went through my head at once: 1. now *that*'s a
*lady*.  2.  and that lady's got *class*.  i don't want to be
superficial, but she is incredibly beautiful and classy.  everything
about her, from my own experience, is just so... composed. and she's
very sweet to the fans, coming out (after the crowd of drunken loud
folks had took to the road to snag some dui's) to talk to the few of us
who'd waited around for her, and give us autographs.  (every time, and
i've got 3 now, she asks me how to spell my name: "is that with a 'ji'
or with a 'g'?"  this time i couldn't help laughing, "you asked me that
last time."  "oh, did i?" she asked, then explained that she's got a
friend who spells it gyll or jyll or something, so she never knows how
to spell it anymore. just my own little moment, hee ;))
iiiin conclusion-- i booted the show, it came out fairly well, i think
it'll fit on a 90-min tape.  also got a setlist from the shiny happy
tech guy (i actually said to him, "hey mr. shiny-happy-tech-guy, could i
have a setlist?"... ya see, that's my secret: act insanely vacuous, and
people'll give you *anything* just so you *go away*! just kiddin. i
ain't nuts.  well, not that nuts anyways. ;)).
email me for a copy of the boot, or the setlist, or both.

i am a problem child,
jill

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 21:52:58 -0400
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hey all
found a used cry cry cry and these tour dates! sorry for the funny look of
the chart.
lori

date
               city
                                    state
                                              venue
         12/01/98
                   tucson
                                         az
                                               berger center
         12/02/98
                   albuquerque
                                         nm
                                               so. broadway cult. ctr.
         12/03/98
                   boulder
                                         co
                                               boulder theater
         12/04/98
                   aspen
                                         co
                                               wheeler opera house
         12/05/98
                   seattle
                                         wa
                                               kane hall
         12/06/98
                   corvallis
                                         or
                                               majestic theatre
         12/08/98
                   petaluma
                                         ca
                                               mystic theatre
         12/09/98
                   san francisco
                                         ca
                                               great american music hall
         12/10/98
                   san francisco
                                         ca
                                               great american music hall
         12/11/98
                   watsonville
                                         ca
                                               henry j. mello theatre
         12/12/98
                   s.j. capistrano
                                         ca
                                               coach house
         12/13/98
                   west hollywood
                                         ca
                                               troubadour
         12/26/98
                   mamaronek
                                         ny
                                               emelin theatre
         12/31/98
                   oakland
                                         nj
                                               valley school gym
         01/01/99
                   northampton
                                         ma
                                               calvin theater
         01/02/99
                   cambridge
                                         ma
                                               sanders theatre
         01/03/99
                   baltimore
                                         md
                                               christ lutheran church
         01/04/99
                   alexandria
                                         va
                                               birchmere
         01/08/99
                   cedar rapids
                                         ia
                                               theater cedar rapids
         01/09/99
                   madison
                                         wi
                                               barrymore theatre
         01/10/99
                   chicago
                                         il
                                               old town school
         01/12/99
                   lawrence
                                         ks
                                               liberty hall
         01/13/99
                   st. louis
                                         mo
                                               edison theatre
         01/14/99
                   ann arbor
                                         mi
                                               ark
         01/15/99
                   pittsburgh
                                         pa
                                               rosebud
         01/16/99
                   glenside
                                         pa
                                               keswick theatre
         02/11/99
                   charlotte
                                         nc
                                               great aunt stella center
         02/12/99
                   atlanta
                                         ga
                                               variety playhouse
         02/13/99
                   tampa
                                         fl
                                               centro asturiano
         04/16/99
                   williamsport
                                         pa
                                               community arts center
         04/17/99
                   princeton
                                         nj
                                               mccarter theatre

{gav/lor icq#8264425}

sorry to everyone not in this area or not wanting to hear nigc...in response
to all of the homophobic hate crimes on our campus (*14* reported incidents
this week including death threats and phone lines being severed) we are
holding a rally on thursday oct 22 at 10 pm.

speakers/performers will include cathy renna of glaad and sonia of disappear
fear.

its at goucher college (off exit 27a of 695). if you're in the area, please
spread the word.

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 23:55:04 -0700
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sorry for the nigc but i figured i'd get a good answer to my question
from the list.  i really don't understand the idea of a hate crimes
bill, what it's supposed to do, and how it could possibly deter hate
crimes.  it seems that if someone commits a hate crime they'll be
punished harsher than normal under existing laws, and i really don't see
how it would decrease the amount of hate crimes.  seems like education
would be a better route.  i'm guessing i'm not understanding the main
point of the argument, so if someone could help explain it to me.

the sfc

ps oh, i guess there's no real reason to send responses to the list, so
try and just do private ones. thanks.

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hey yall
sorry to waste bandwidth, but i was just wondering if anyone has any sonia or
disappear fear boots to trade, i got lots of stuff to trade if you are
interested, please let me know.

peace
sasha

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for all my ig friends!
i love you guys!
babs
******************************************************************************
********************

i wish i may,
i wish i might,
i wish this wish,
for you tonight....

i wish you good health
for you, i wish happiness and peace of mind
for you, i wish success in your personal life and in your career
for you, i wish the vanishing of hard feelings among family and friends
for you, i wish laughter and joy
for you, i wish a strong faith to carry you through the times that are hard
for you, i wish food upon your table and clothes upon your back
for you, i wish a walk in the forest
for you, i wish friendship, honesty, and fidelity with your mate
for you, i wish the hug of a child
for you, i wish the morning dew and sunlight
for you, i wish a bubble bath by candlelight
for you, i wish a good cry
for you, i wish the songs of a bird and a babbling creek
for you, i wish lessons learned so you will not make the same mistakes over
and over
for you, i wish quiet times shared with the one you love
for you, i wish the innocence of youth and the wisdom of maturity
for you, i wish the experience of grass beneath your feet
for you, i wish the receipt of joy in simple matters
for you, i wish the fragrance of a rose
for you, i wish a heart that is at home
for you, i wish dancing by moonlight
for you, i wish the pleasure of fishing
for you, i wish a mother's love
for you, i wish a good nights sleep
for you, i wish the laughter of a child
for you, i wish memories of days gone by
for you, i wish a heart nestled in acceptance with yourself
for you, i wish dancing eyes and a ready smile
for you, i wish compassion and understanding
for you, i wish the appreciation of a hard days work
for you, i wish safety at all times
for you, i wish insight
for you, i wish a spring rain
for you, i wish simplicity
for you, i wish a day of rest

but most of all....

i wish you love

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 14:41:52 +1000
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hey folks,

just a quick note to the people who have been having problems
with the digest... it *was* pretty quiet over the weekend, so
there weren't all that many digests sent out.

however, if you do think you're having trouble, not receiving
digests etc, you might want to try checking the digest
numbers. this number is in the header of each digest (for
example, the digest that this message appears in is probably
#1998-319). that way you'll definitely know if you're
missing digests or not...

and on another note - welcome to jen lucero, who is now
officially your new list owner! whoohoo!

:)
sherlyn
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sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au                   [sydney, australia]
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we're born to live, we're born to love, we're born to never hate..."
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thanks sherlyn for all of the work! i know everyone appreciates all of the
hard work you put into this list and thanks for putting up with it for so
long! you are now entitled to much earned, well-deserved rest!

and also a huge thank you to jen, for taking over the massive entity we know
and love as the list. it's a big job and we're glad you're up for it!!!!

so a huge thank you to two wonderful people, from all 800 of us!

love
kar

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just thought i would let you all know that amy ray,danielle howle and rose
polenzani will be playing at eddies attic on november 18. two shows ....
wooooohooooo

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 01:42:32 edt
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hi everyone...

just a brief note to apologize toanyone i've said i would do anything for, or
those who i owe tapes to , or whatever.  i'm not the biggest flake in the
universe, but my mom's in the hospital, and my life is a tad crazed.  by all
accounts, she's not going to get better, so i haven't had any energy for much
besides sleep, work, and hospital recently.  so, if i've neglected anyone, i
will make ti up to you- you may just want to remind me by email.

and to make this somewhat ig related, i will say that a recent boot i got of a
show at the greek hasn't left my tape deck in my car for a month (despite the
87 degree heat today) and the songs are most definitely helping me cope with
the worst moments of my life. anyone have any good suggestions for songs that
help you deal with life, when it seems beyond your ability?

thanks,
alison

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i wrote a not so great poem inspired by the ig, i wanted to share.

"when emily sings"

worn and fuzzy, woolen speakers turn human
as this smiling voice eases through them

the rich reality of this voice destroys my loneliness
the language speaks to me in a familiar tongue

the goodness of this soul fills a once empty heart
as the keen observations stare clearly at my life

the carefully chosen words are omniscient
i pause to study this well presented understanding

never alone, nor without thought or feeling
i am never not human when emily sings.

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date:         tue, 20 oct 1998 23:28:20 -0700
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i was just sitting and thinking how lucky we are.  i unfortunately have
to carpool to and from school.  so every morning i climb into the car
pop in one of my ig tapes and try to start off the day on a good note.
but when i come home i am subject to music that, well i don't *hate* but
really really don't like.  all the songs are about sex, getting a woman,
killing or something to that effect.  i was just wondering if y'all know
how lucky we are to have found ig?  i mean i am inspired everyday by
their profound lyrics, advice and experiences.  how many people really
can say that they are motivated to do something good.  look at things
like this list, the list t-shirt, list meets, the volunteering, and all
the worm fuzzy goodness that tow people have generated.  i don't even
know how to verbalize how lucky i feel know.  the people in my carpool,
well in my opinion, are being brain washed to leave a life of self
pleasure and the pursuit to only better them selves.  but with ig and
y'all i really feel a sense of community.  i was just wondering if y'all
felt the same way.  ok i am going to stop rambling now.

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna, who is feeling quite content and happy right now

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luna wrote:

<<  i don't even know how to verbalize how lucky i feel now.  the people in my
carpool, well in my opinion, are being brain washed to leave a life of self
pleasure and the pursuit to only better them selves.  but with ig and y'all i
really feel a sense of community.  i was just wondering if y'all felt the same
way >>

i think you verbalized it very well, luna....

peace, love, & harmony...
tim

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ok.  i am sitting here at 3:10 in the morning doing my practical
christian living homework.  (don't ask, it is required to graduate and i
would like to this year.)  any ways i am writing about finding one's
spiritually in places other than organized religions.  but listening to
rop for me a emotion evoking disc.  i finally can listen to it w/o going
into hysterics.  but this really stuck me.  and i want to share.

suggestion 12 to find spirituality

play good music (at top volume.)
great music can evoke a depth of emotion-from joy to sorrow-that we
might be unaware of even feeling, so busy are we with our lives.
letting those feelings surface often feels like a spiritual relief.

how many times have y'all been swept over by the passion of a&e's
message/lyrics? how many times have y'all been able to feel something
because of a few choice lines?
how many times have y'all been over powered by of the music?
how many times?

sorry, just loven' rop and wanted to share.

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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as for music that help you get through rough times (my mom was in the
hospital earlier this year, and my uncle died this summer) i chose to
listen to beth nielsen chapman's disc "sand and water"...the entire disc
is about the intense love she shared with her husband, and how she wad to
work through her grief, survive and raise her son alone after he passed
suddenly...it's heartbreaking at times, and inspirational at
others...overall quite moving. her voice is like an ocean soothing the
wounds of the soul...in my opinion, of course *hee*

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

*****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 06:56:11 -0700
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someone pleeeeease boot this i will be your devoted slave forever!!!! :)

*hugs*

lamia

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> just thought i would let you all know that amy ray,danielle howle
and rose
> polenzani will be playing at eddies attic on november 18. two shows
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> wooooohooooo
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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 09:54:10 -0400
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i am a newbie to the world of boots and have noticed this thread about
the 9:30 club boot from this summer.  i was at the show and would love
to have a copy of it!!!  will someone please e-mail be privately about
what i need to do to get that?  does it involve a first born child????

thanks!

scott antall
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since we were talking about lyrics to help with grief, i thought i'd share
this. i heard it for the first time on monday and tears were rolling down
my face. you see, i lost my father about five years ago and this song,
which chris mcguire wrote for her father really touched me.

i thought i saw you outside yesterday
familiar features, hair turning to grey
and i started to call out but you faded away
so i'm writing this to ask you
to teach me how to pray

i stood by the roadside and i started to cry
and i fought the feeling, i don't understand why
and i wanted to ask you were you ready to die
and how can i find myself
without you now

so sing that you love me
through the wind and rain
that you've been thinking of me
you were glad when i came

i read the book that i found on the shelf
it told of one's journey to discover herself
and i tried to imagine how you read what she wrote
as if i could somehow find you
there between the quotes

so sing that you love me
through the wind and the rain
that you've been thinking of me
you were glad when i came

and i'll sing that i love you
from every night's stage
that i learned to forgive you
through your pride and your rage

it's the habit of being
the habit of slipping away
it's the habit of being
the habit of slipping away
it's my habit of being
the one that's not ready to say

so sing that you love me
through the wind and the rain
that you've been thinking of me
you were glad when i came

that you're right here above me
on every night's stage
that you learned to forgive me
through my pride and my rage

---------------------------
sheryl jones
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
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>just thought i would let you all know that amy ray,danielle howle >and rose polenzani will be playing at eddies attic on november >18. two shows ....

can i just tell all of you within, oh, say, 5 hours of atlanta that you really need to go to this show? and if you haven't had the chance to check out rose polenzani, do it now...she is a wonderfully gifted artist, and very down to earth (and from chicago, so she's gotta be cool : )...if anyone is interested, i have a boot of her recent show here...e-mail me off the list for set-list/details.

sherlyn--you rock! thanks for everything you've done for the list during your tenure. jen--you rock, too! good luck with us crazy beasts!

peace,
shelley

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 11:22:33 -0400
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to let ya'll know, caroline aiken (ig inspiration and early mentor -
they sing on her current album 'butler field') is playing a show with
yours truly (excited excited excited) this sunday, oct. 25 in richmond,
va at the moondance cafe. my band, in clover is opening and playing as
a trio - so any of you guys who live around here - please please come to
this show and give caroline an audience - she's never been here before,
so it should be pretty cool. here's her website:
http://www.songs.com/caroline

-tara

ps - thanks again for all the good doggie vibes yesterday - lucy's at
home and doing well!!

tara lane
********
in clover - an awesome band!
http://www.onsitenet.net/inclover
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after playing around with "moment of forgiveness" (the strumming pattern
isn't right and that quick chord change c-g-c was a little too much) and
"land of canaan" (chords are easy, strumming pattern seems impossible) i
finally found a song that i can play.  last night i got out my capo and
discovered "welcome me"  i can actually play along with amy.  this is so
great!  well, thanks for listening.

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in a perfect world,
we could walk down the street hand in hand with our partner
and not worry about people.
in a perfect world,
we could get married in the church we grew up in
without persecution or world headlines.
in a perfect world,
we would not have worry about our partner being taken care of
or losing everything we had together when we die
in a perfect world,
we would not have to hide our life at home from the people we work with,
we could bore them with our pictures of our cats and dogs as they do with all
their kids ( :o) )
in a perfect world we could live and love in peace
because all would be equal
as they truly are in god's eyes.

peace love and light
beccie

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 12:42:05 edt
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i have been going through something of an emotional roller coaster lately with
my job and my g/f and everything.  and through it all i have kept the music of
ig in my head and cd player.  the words of love that they have written have
inspired me and kept me sane through this.  the poem that i sent before was
one i wrote about a thread on the kentucky area lambda list about being afraid
to go downtown to the clubs after the thing in wyoming happened.  it scares us
yes, but listen to ig what do they say about it.  we are all human we all love
and it's all right.  i am rambling but i am also falling in love again with my
girl.  and i am listening to ig, i ramble when i do that.  tee hee .
peace love and light
beccie

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 13:54:45 edt
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hey, well i went to the show at eddie's saturday night and, as usual, it was a
great show!  she was also dressed killer.  i've only seen her in jeans and t-
shirts before, but sat night she had on tight black pants and a gray silky
shirt.......i don't remember the set list.  i went to both shows and as usual,
she did the first show solo and the second show with the lone stars........she
was kinda not too happy before the show, but as she got into the first show
she got up!  she had her new ep with her at the show called lucky to be
live.......and for the first time since i've been going ot see her she had the
black tshirts to sell.......so i got both of those.  they did learning to
dance from the new mongrels with gerard and i really love it when they do that
one.  they did butter biscuit and i am thinking because of what happened at
the last eddie;s show she decided to break into another song so she broke into
heart of glass by blondie and it was funny......we were all laughing.  she did
knee deep and mexico a go-go.......i love it when she does that cause at
eddie's we all sing and on the part that goes "blow away" she can hear us
singing and she smiles.  it was a great show.  oh yeah, after her first show,
she disappeared for a while and when she came back she had like three or 4
tshirts with her.......they were hers but she was giving them away because she
didn't wear them anymore......i got the one of band de soleil redemption dream
1994.......she had one from the white dot as well and another one or two
different ones from band de soleil.

anyway, there is my quick version of atlanta.

going again next month! does anyone know where the nov 6 show in atlanta is?
thanks!
amanda

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 12:50:33 pdt
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hey friends,

i've got this idea & need some advice.  i'd like to create an ig
calendar to give as xmas gifts & wondering if there are any copyright
issues when using pix downloaded off the internet.  i think the ones
that are clearly labeled as being from a publication might be
copyrighted by the publication, but what about the millions of others
floating around.  of course, i will definitely ask permission first if i
would like to use pics taken by other listees (posted on their
websites), and will acknowledge them in the calendar.  this calendar
won't be sold at all...merely given as a gift, and of course available
to ig listees!

so, any help, insight, advice on the copyright issue? thanks much!

peace & indigo dreams,

sheri g
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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 17:30:19 edt
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hey everyone,

after someone mentioned eddies attic today (about michelle malone) i decided
to double check their web page. i think most of you in atlanta will be happy..
amy is listed to perform with rose polenzani and danielle howl on the 18th of
november.

now.. let's see.. 750 miles.. humm.. about 11 hours.. humm.. gee.. i should be
able to do that on my day off.. humm... should i.. shouldn't i...

peace! indigo! etheridge!
kathleen<---who invites any comments via private e-mail if i should do the
drive..

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 14:57:24 -0700
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does anyone know the date of the recent acoustic cafe?

thanks,
wendell

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 17:02:25 -0600
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i've been meaning to post this for a while. during the time that i was
working as a preschool teacher, i was really excited about going to an ig
concert and looking for anyone with whom to talk about my excitement. so, i
was sitting there with this seven year old girl who had once said she liked
ig and here's our converstaion
me-so, i'm really excited because i'm going to take an airplane to see my
friend and we're going to see the indigo girls in concert.
rachel(quizically) backstreet boys?
me-no, indigo girls
rachel-backstreet boys?
me(very slowly)-indigo girls
rachel (honestly confused) backstreet boys?
this went on for a while.
okay, that's it. have a nice day all!

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 18:22:32 -0500
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sorry...forgot to mention the other day that michelle's nov. 6 show is
at the darkhorse tavern. also, she's supposed to be opening a show for
kevn kinney of drivin 'n cryin at the 40 watt club on oct. 27.

p.s. - i finally bought michelle's swingin' christmas in the attic cd
(yeah, i know, i'm kicking myself for not buying it sooner:)  if you do
not have it, buy it!!!!!  her arrangements of popular christmas songs
are beautiful (and sometimes even a little feisty), and it's just a fun
cd.  her rendition of "the christmas song" ("chestnuts roasting on an
open fire...") is sure to warm you up on a cold winter's night. ;)
"tis the season to start thinking about christmas, and i highly
recommend adding this one to your christmas collection!

peace,

joan :-d

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 20:11:58 edt
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hi y'all.....

thought i'd share this.....i plan a short memorial tonight to matt at
nietzsche's, a music club in buffalo that draws a diverse clientele.....this
song, plus there but for fortune and he was a friend of mine.....

peace, love, & harmony....
tim

wyoming skies

stars and moon are shining
lighting up the western sky
mule deer watch in silence
frozen in the bright headlights

flowers on a fence post
to mark the spot he died
the thing his killer feared most
was what he felt inside

a crowd of people gathered
to lay his body down
the townfolks hid and scattered
the circus came to town

the vultures and the jackals
gettin' fat off of the kill
the hate preacher's logic baffles
could this ever be god's will???

he was somebody's brother
he was every mother's son
he was never one to hurt another
but now the damage has been done

out there on the hillside
the angels hid their eyes
could god himself have replied
or did he just stand aside????

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 20:38:21 +0000
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hi everyone!

just wanted to take the time to introduce myself...while i still have the
leisure to do so...<g>

my name is jen lucero, i live in new jersey, and i'm an indigo girls fan.
=) more specifically, i've been an admirer of the girls since 1989 or so,
have seen them too many times to count, and have been a member of this list
since 1994.

        i joined this list because it was a place where the music of the indigo
girls was discussed in an intelligent, friendly, and respectful manner.
along the way, there were tangents, flame wars, lots of humor, and more ig
information and updates than you could find anywhere else.  but it was
always about the girls.
        lately however, the list has sometimes deviated from it's original
purpose, and we've all been distracted by a variety of topics, whether
worthy or not.
        this is one of the reasons why i've decided to take over as list owner.
it's not my intention to become a heavy-handed owner...i respect the
initial spirit in which this list was established, which was as a
self-moderated, self-responsible listserv.  and i think we can still honor
that...it's just my job to help keep everyone on track.  this means you
will hear from me more often, whether in list posts or via private
email...but only when nigc or other unwelcome conversations carry on.

        that said...i look forward to this task and consider it an honor to be the
co-owner of this list.  i know that both amy and emily have read (and
posted) on this list and consider it a valuable, insightful,  and sometimes
humorous, forum.  more than anything else, we need to remember this list is
about two real people...and it's our responsibility to respect not only
their work, but also the women.

k...i've wasted enough space. thanks for reading and please bear with me
as i learn the ropes.

take it easy.

jen

i don't wanna wait for heaven
i can find what i need right here on earth
there's too many people only waiting for heaven
if you can't find it here, you won't find it there anyway
ar

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 20:44:05 -0700
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i re did the page and would like feed back and if you would like to link
let me know. http://members.theglobe.com/djlamb23/djlamb23.html missy

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 18:33:50 -0700
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hiya
cdnow sent me an e/m ya'll might be interested in!
it said to check out the new rare on the air vol. 4 cuz it has ani and
sarah mc and ppl on it so here's the link and track listings:

http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/redirect/leaf=switch/from=sr-849413/target=buyweb_purchase/ddcn=sd-35450+980193+2

01. cut chemist suite - ozomatli
02. gravel - ani difranco
03. subterranean homesick alien - radiohead
04. only talking sense - tim and neil finn
05. blue mug - gus gus
06. disseminated - soul coughing
07. flowers in december - mazzy star
08. sex and candy - marcy playground
09. el fin de la infancia - cafe tacuba
10. st. teresa - joan osborne
11. louisiana 1927 - randy newman
12. new world - zap mama
13. so real - jeff buckley
14. good enough - sarah mclachlan
15. the fall of troy - tom waits

sounds like i'm going to have to get it since ani and cafe tacuba are
on it!

*hugs*

lamia

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 21:32:40 edt
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hey y'all-- does anyone have this amy soc in its entirety (i just need the
words, not the boot or anything....thanks!! lauren

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hey y'all.  remember how i said my g/f works at a video store?  well, it just
so happens that the store in question is hollywood video, and they can special
order live at the uptown lounge...for only $14.95.  so run, don't walk, to
your nearest hollywood video and buy your own copy today!  that's assuming
that you don't have one yet.

dawn

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 23:24:08 -0500
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hey, well said jen & i applaud your approach to being list czarina
(or comrade).

welcome & a huge thanks to sherlyn!

melissa

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 19:07:06 -0700
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who wants to be a dear and pick me up one of these new lucky to be
live eps when they go see michelle? i'll send
money/postage/bootlegs/happies/whatever...
i've never got to see her live before..so i need something to console
myself!!!

*hugs*

lamia
*who is still trying to deal with the fact that crycrycry is going to
be in ohio like 8 days before she moves there :p*
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i will not stay still, stay silent,
be good, be modest, be seen and not heard, no!...
a precise emotion seeks a precise expression.
if what i feel is not precise then should i call it love?"
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