lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-10d


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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 13:51:17 -0700
reply-to:     jeanette <reposa@nunki.usc.edu>
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for my feminist women in society classs, im going to write my big paper on
the indigo girls, their experiences as gay women in the music industry,
and their impact on gay and female rights..i need more info than i have,
im planning on reading up on them, listeneing to their interviews,
etc..anyone have any other sources of info i can go to, or know of
something i can use?? id like to put some things about the list in it too,
and come from a personal point of view..thanks!!!

                           jeanette

               'they can't hurt you unless you let them'
                                -everclear

              'i need to find myself today before i ever
                       find my way back to you'
                                - lizzie

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 19:25:25 -0400
reply-to:     amy vorpagel <avorpagel@mediaone.net>
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from:         amy vorpagel <avorpagel@mediaone.net>
subject:      nigc sometimes the girls just don't do it...
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are there any of you out there who don't listen to ig at certain times?
right now, come's gently down the stream is helping me along... nice and
dark. sometimes, ig just can't fit my mood.
maybe a little bee gees and peter frampton (sgt pepper's lonely hearts
club band) will help make me laugh a bit. :)

hey, if anyone out there is looking to hire a computer network
technician who has a bachelor's in sociology, let me know... i'd be
perfect for you. seems no one else is looking for someone fitting that
description.
anyone have any tips for job hunting for a career that is satisfying and
pays above poverty level?
thanks, folks. sorry for the nigc. have a great night...

peace,
amy

visit me on the web!!  http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/7728

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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 23:29:10 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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hey guys-
someone sent me this great photo of amy as an attachment.  i'm trying to
send the thing along to someone else, as an attachment, and my computer
won't let me do it.  i tried right-clicking on the downloaded picture
and attempted to save it in various places, including my desktop and a
blank floppy disk.  both times, a window appearred on the screen that
said it was unable to save the file.  "make sure the site is not full"
it said.  hello, i've got a *blank* disc, you freakin piece of plastic.
can someone help me?


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date:         wed, 21 oct 1998 23:54:38 -0700
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well, this may get long, but since luna started it...
i feel more than lucky.  when my emerging sexuality was coming into conflict
with the fundamentalist religion (baptist) i was emersed in, the conflict
nearly killed me.  in the end i managed to survive that battle, but there were
lots of casualties.  music was one of them.  my life had been filled with
gospel music sung in church.  my sisters and i used to sing as a quartet,
while most pop music either hurt my tender ears (still does)  or was
irrelevant to my life.  when i lost my church, i lost all that music (nearly
lost my sisters too) and for all those years, i had this huge void where that
music used to be.  for a little while i was into some really angry music, but
it only spoke to my anger and not the rest of me.  i had heard of ig, but at
the time i first heard a cd of theirs, i was in a really angry, dishonest
space and i just couldn't tolerate it.  when, a couple of years later, i
worked out all that old stuff, i caught the  video of "joking" on vh1...  and
it literally changed my life.  my wonderful clare went out and bought me the
rop cassette (didn't have a decent stereo then), which i wore out and
replaced.  then i used some student loan money to buy a good sound system,
that day i also went and purchased all the ig cd's i could find.  something in
that music, the passionate honesty maybe, filled up those empty spots... i was
coming apart (literally) at the joints (connective tissue disorder i inherited
)  and was in so much pain all the time that i just couldn't deal with school,
and i was falling farther and farther behind.  then something else happened,
something i can't explain.  nomads, indians andsaints, somehow changed my
energy, and suddenly, i was an artist.  i had always played around with
projects, make my own christmas ornaments and do crafts with the kids i
babysit, but suddenly i was a serious artist.  i made a tape of the most
inspirational stuff-- for me it's : world falls, hand-me-downs, prince of
darkness, let it be me, hammer and a nail (of course), keeper of my heart...
i'd put on the walk(wo)man, strap myself into my chair ( i needed help with my
spine) and sit there for hours, all night long, while clare slept, i was
cutting up tiny pieces of paper from magazines (glossy clay paper) and using
the pieces like little mosaic tiles...   there was real magic there... i was
full of that wonderful music, and under my hands these magical images
appeared... i would hold my breath, afraid that i would break the spell...
somehow, in that music, i got permission to do it, go ahead and bring to life
the images sitting dormant in my spirit... and i've done some good stuff
artistically and now i'm writing a novel, and incredibly happy with my life.
and i owe it all to "joking"!  was amy just too cute in that blue coat with
the braids, or what.  i also recognized that the video was shot here in new
orleans, which gave it an added immediacy to me.  this is powerful music,
liberating, positive power.  and every time i turn to that music for clarity
or motivation  inspiration, or the need to really inflate my lungs so that i
don't end up in the hospital again with pnermonia, i feel lucky to an
exponential degree.
freida.

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 18:12:50 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      (fwd) still available
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hey folks -

this was posted to the newsgroup... send replies to the
original poster, not to me...

cheers,
sherlyn


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from: paul cramer <cramer@sgi.net>
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subject: still available
date: wed, 21 oct 1998 09:43:51 -0400

us promo cd single "get together" still sealed, $5 gets it to you
postage paid.
also
us promo cd single "shed your skin" includes album version, live
version, tom morello remix, "shame on you" live version and "get out the
map" live version.
$10 postage paid.
e-mail me for quick reply!  thanks! ~paul

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 10:58:37 -0400
reply-to:     sarah brady <sbrady1@email.unc.edu>
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from:         sarah brady <sbrady1@email.unc.edu>
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in the sots promo pics, amy has a red leather jacket on and white pants in
one shot, and a black tshirt on w/white letters...you cant see it on the
album cover, but on the poster you can....does anyone know, or have a
guess, as to what the shirt says? its next to my bed and it drives me
crazy at night...please help!!
-sarah


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  a&e  "i will walk down the street. i will hold my head high. i will say
   #    hello to everyone i meet. i will have love in my heart.  when i
   #    have hate, i will turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger,
  _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
/ o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
'---'  a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will love.
and i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."  -amy ray

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 11:12:21 -0400
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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from:         "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
subject:      nov 18 at eddies
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was there ever an answer to the question about booting this show?
someone - please!  why do they have to do stuff like this on a
weeknight!!  i was seriously thinkin of roadtripping till i saw it was
on a wednesday - waaa!  let us know if someone's taping it!

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 11:18:46 -0400
reply-to:     jeri humphries <jah13@arches.uga.edu>
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from:         jeri humphries <jah13@arches.uga.edu>
subject:      re: eddies attic
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hahahahaha!!!!!
i live in athens, not even an hour away from eddie's attic...
i am going to see my woman, amy ray perform!!
aren't ya'll jealous?
love
jeri

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 11:25:45 edt
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<--throwing evil looks and wishful glances at jeri
yes darlin' i am very jealous, i made the mistake of taking my g/f (who is not
an ig fan but hey we all can't be perfect now can we + i make up the
difference in my fanaticism) to my first ig concert.  she made a scene, but i
still got to see ig with joan biaz doing songs like chickenman and got to hear
joan say that she was proud of her legacy(ig)  made me cry ******
wishing i was going to be there,
peace love and light
beccie

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 13:00:31 edt
reply-to:     tahmehawk@aol.com
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in a message dated 98-10-22 11:00:48 edt, sbrady1@email.unc.edu writes:

<< .does anyone know, or have a
guess, as to what the shirt says? >>

i've often wondered the same thing.  so if anyone knows, please pass it on to
me too.

lynn   :-)    <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 13:04:24 -0500
reply-to:     sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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for those on the east coast here is another opportunity to possibly see
amy.  there are no guarantees that she'll be there but, at any rate, you
can support daemon.

daemon proudly presents a label showcase in nyc in association with this
year's cmj music marathon. artist line-up as follows (nov. 5):

venue: the baggot inn (in manhattan)
7:30 my sweet etc (formerly reversing hour)
8:30 three finger cowboy
9:30 belloluna
10:30 terri binion
11:30 danielle howle & the tantrums

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sheryl jones
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 11:08:16 -0700
reply-to:     pretty silver grrrl <saliers__ray@yahoo.com>
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thought ya'll might like to know there's a mini interview/pic of shawn
mullins in the new rolling stone with bill clinton :p on the cover!
he talks about amy ray:

girl power
"in ninth grade i took a career education class, a bullshit elective i
took to get out of algebra. amy ray [of the indigo girls] was a friend
of my teacher's, and one day she came in and burned a hole through
everyone in the class with her songs. i hung out after class and was
like "you're doing what i want to do" and she ended up writing me this
long 'follow your dream' kind of letter. so we've been friends for
awhile."
--rolling stone, noah tarnow pg.41

it's not the best pic in the world but it's still cool for all ya'll
shawn mullins collectors! and ppl like me who cut out the words "amy",
"ray", and "indigo" out of magazines even if they're not in the same
article *l*

if anyone wants to hear the whole article lemme know!

*hugs*

lamia
==
"love demands expression.
i will not stay still, stay silent,
be good, be modest, be seen and not heard, no!...
a precise emotion seeks a precise expression.
if what i feel is not precise then should i call it love?"
--jeanette winterson, writen on the body

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 15:46:45 -0500
reply-to:     mwartenb@knox.edu
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hi everybody!

candace gingrich is giving a speech at my college on saturday, and i get
to be her contact person.  yay.  (:
i've been speed-reading through accidental activist these past two days,
and interestingly enough, she does mention going to see ig.  anyone else
recall reading this?  she didn't seem that thrilled with them.  i wonder
if her opinion has changed.  i certainly will find some way to bring
them up.... <wink wink>.

i pretty excited.  i'm meeting my first famous lesbian....

(:
indigomeli @ knox college
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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 17:06:34 -0400
reply-to:     "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
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you will love meeting candace...i met her this past spring when she spoke
at the women's conference at the university here.  she is so personable
and funny.  i have the accidental activist, but haven't had time to read
it all yet...still, i think you will enjoy spending time with her with or
without.  i know i did :)

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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 17:46:21 +0000
reply-to:     j lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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        since a couple of people have asked...it says "lower east side needle
exchange".

                        jen

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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 14:53:55 pdt
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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amy wrote:

>are there any of you out there who don't listen to ig at certain times?
>right now, come's gently down the stream is helping me along...
>nice and dark. sometimes, ig just can't fit my mood.

wow, that's cool.  me neither.   i can't get _gently down the stream_
outta my mind or off my cd player.  while i don't consider it dark, as
such, there is a very certain mellow desperation to it.  this isn't
necessarily a *bad* thing.  to paraphrase a + e from shades of indigo,
"there's a certain beauty in pain.  not everyone thinks that.  we happen
to think there is beauty in suffering." something to that effect.  there
are some really beautiful orchestrations on _gently_, such as "middle of
nowhere" and "the former model," which make this album remind me of
rem's automatic for the people, which i can put on the stereo and not be
able to discern between the different songs-- they all just flow along
such a similar vein, it's like one big movement instead of separate
songs.  much like swamp ophelia.  only come tends to be a bit more
corrosive.  rrar.
right now, ig isn't fitting my moods.  i just can't get into their swing
of things at this period.  not that that is a bad thing either.  it's
good to always keep 'em (and yourself) guessing.  not even amy and emily
listen to just one artist, or just one genre, all the time.  we've got
bluesy jazz-lovin em and amy ray the punk rocker; they can't pin
themselves down to just one style.  i don't think anyone can.  variety
keeps you hoppin', guys.  and that is why (here's my plug) i highly
recommend you take  _gently down the stream_, which is available at
http://www.cdnow.com , for a whirl.  yeaow.

jill

~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~  ~
girl, you're in the middle of nowhere
whatever place you're coming from was way back where
wherever you thought you were going, you ain't there
can't you see, you're in the middle of nowhere

visit my wife on the web!
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date:         thu, 22 oct 1998 18:26:23 edt
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subject:      another ig poem: living in indigo
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another ig inspired poem.  i don't usually write rhyming poems, but this one
just did.  hope it isn't too awful
lynn
"living in indigo"

mostly i wish that i was dead
til their voices can clear my head

and when self pity becomes my knife
their voices heal to save my life

or when my death is loneliness
their caring chords become my guest

and when my end becomes my goal
their song-the hymn that saves my soul

so when i'm caught in death's strong grip
my ear the microphone at their lips

and when the bleakness is my bug
their guitar arms- my soul's hug

and when in death i long to dip
i become the guitar on their hip

gently stroking my death away
and filling my soul with what they say

so i say, though you must know
that i am here 'cuz of indigo

and now my life will surely show
that i am living in indigo

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which version do you prefer, the one on the self-titled, the one on strange
fire, or the live one on 1200 curfews? personally i like the one on strange
fire cause amy gets this sort of growl in her voice on "you say we're
under" (the same sky)

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hi, i'm looking for my english teacher.  if you're out there, hello!!  i
know you love e-mail and ig, so i just thought i'd check!  see ya,

w

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in a message dated 98-10-22 19:09:41 edt, strosenblum@students.wisc.edu
writes:

<< which version do you prefer, the one on the self-titled, the one on strange
fire, or the live one on 1200 curfews? >>


strange fire version has my vote.

lynn   :-)   <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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<< << which version do you prefer, the one on the self-titled, the one on
strange
  fire, or the live one on 1200 curfews? >> >>

unfortunately, i don't own strange fire :(  and have never heard that
particular version.  but, i am listening to both other versions, and i think i
have to go for 1200 curfews, just because there is this air of immediacy and
the instrumental in the middle just makes me want to get up and dance!

love
kar

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<< << << which version do you prefer, the one on the self-titled, the one on
strange
   fire, or the live one on 1200 curfews? >> >>
  >>
                neither.  the version on back on the bus ya'll is my fave.

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at 02:06 pm 10/22/98 , audrawrote:
>you will love meeting candace...i met her this past spring when she spoke
>at the women's conference at the university here.  she is so personable
>and funny.  i have the accidental activist, but haven't had time to read
>it all yet...still, i think you will enjoy spending time with her with or
>without.  i know i did :)

i second that comment - candice gingrich is terrific.  i met her a few
years ago at a rather pathetic (but we all start somewhere) pride festival.
she is way cute in person - i think photographs in news media are not her
best buds - and very charming and sweet.  i always take at least one of the
swamp dogs to pride events with me, and that day i had my boy true (a
clumber spaniel - somewhat rare breed) with me wearing a "i'm a proud dog"
bandanna.  candice gingrich was terribly interested in him (nothing like
having someone you really respect and are amazed to meet peppering you with
questions about your real life....) and true got to shed on her and give
her a smooch (remember he is a dog, don't anyone freak out, k?  lol) and
she autographed his bandanna for me.  was pretty cool.  one of the only
high points of my 2 years in that evil state, actually.

don't be worried about meeting her - she is very disarming and kind and
just damn cool.

tracy

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i just wanted to add to this...

tracy & the swamp dogs wrote:

>   i always take at least one of the
> swamp dogs to pride events with me, and that day i had my boy true (a
> clumber spaniel - somewhat rare breed) with me wearing a "i'm a proud dog"
> bandanna.  candice gingrich was terribly interested in him (nothing like
> having someone you really respect and are amazed to meet peppering you with
> questions about your real life....) and true got to shed on her and give
> her a smooch (remember he is a dog, don't anyone freak out, k?  lol) and
> she autographed his bandanna for me.

   candice came to portland, maine for portland pride, and she rode by my
ex-girlfriend and i during the parade. i happened to have one of my many
ferrets with me and i held him up so he could see, and she noticed.  candice
gingrich stood up in the seat of the car and shouted "hi, ferret!" and we made
his paw wave back. moby, the lucky ferret, also got to kiss sonia from
disappear fear later on that day.  my ex was starstruck..."i can't believe we
were that close to sonia..." and i was stunned "i can't believe moby didn't
bite her..."   peace,
            sharoane

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        hey, folks -
        the strange fire version's got my vote, too. it feels more
genuine, somehow; i think the self-titled version sounds a bit too
orderly by contrast, especially for such a raw and rocking song.
        i also prefer the ep version of history of us and the crazy game
cut that's on early recordings, vol iii. any opinions on those songs?

        -mandy


on thu, 22 oct 1998, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:

> which version do you prefer, the one on the self-titled, the one on strange
> fire, or the live one on 1200 curfews? personally i like the one on strange
> fire cause amy gets this sort of growl in her voice on "you say we're
> under" (the same sky)

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i love the strange fire version, it seems so much more raw, just them and
their guitars while on ig there are all these other intstruemnts which i think
just get in the way of the emotion in the song.  strange fire by far : )
--kate

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i'd say definately a live version..either botby or 1200 curfews!

*hug*s

lamia
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hi all.  the sst musicians are touring.  unfortunately, they're not
playing together.  fortunately, they *are* playing.
check 'em out.

found these dates on pollstar and matador's web sites.

come (thalia zedek's band)
10/24 -- nyc -- knitting factory  (that's *tomorrow*)
11/20 -- cambridge ma -- t.t. the bear's
11/21 -- hoboken nj -- maxwell's

lisa germano
11/2 -- boston ma -- bill's bar
11/6 -- philly pa -- 5 spot
11/8 -- washington dc -- 9:30 club
11/10 -- seattle wa -- crocodile cafe
11/11 -- portland me -- la luna
11/13 -- san francisco ca -- slim's

amy ray (as if we didn't know these dates already, but just in case)
10/27 -- gainesville fl -- stephen o' connell center
11/18 -- atlanta ga -- eddie's attic

buffalo daughter
10/23 -- san francisco ca -- bimbo's 365 club (nice name)
10/25 -- portland or -- roseland
10/26 -- seattle wa -- aro space
10/29 -- minneapolis mn -- ground zero
10/30 -- chicago il -- house of blues
10/31 -- detroit mi -- st. andrew's hall
11/1 -- cleveland oh -- odeon
11/3 -- washington dc -- 9:30 club
11/4 -- philly pa -- theater of living arts
11/8 -- toronto -- lee's palace
11/9 -- montreal -- cabaret music hall
11/11 -- northampton ma -- pearl st.
11/12 -- providence ri -- lupo's heartbreak hotel
11/13 -- cambridge ma -- middle east club
11/14 -- baltimore md -- fletcher's

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ooh.  my bad.

> lisa germano
> 11/2 -- boston ma -- bill's bar
> 11/6 -- philly pa -- 5 spot
> 11/8 -- washington dc -- 9:30 club
> 11/10 -- seattle wa -- crocodile cafe
> 11/11 -- portland me -- la luna ---------> should be portland

*oregon*.  sorry.
> 11/13 -- san francisco ca -- slim's


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>>buffalo daughter
10/23 -- san francisco ca -- bimbo's 365 club (nice name)<<

        yeah, but it's a great club!!

thanks for the info jill!

jennifer

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hey friends,

had to share...i just got back from an all-acoustic concert by mary
chapin carpenter and she was fabulous!  intense...sultry...funny...
she's an amazing woman & beautiful vocalist.  love her!  but here's the
suprise bonus part...guess who opened for her...

catie curtis!!!!  i was so stoked :)  didn't know she was going to have
an opener & then my friend said she had checked out the tshirt table &
said there were some cd's by this woman catie something.  and i said
catie curtis?  and she said yeah...isn't that weird?  and i said
ohmygosh i wonder if catie's opening for her & she did!  she's so
awesome!  even bigger bonus...after the show in the lobby this woman
walks in front of me & i'm kinda gazing off in the distance & someone
taps her on the shoulder & she turns towards me & all of a sudden i'm
blurting out "catie?!"  and it was catie.  and she stood there & rapped
with me & a few others for a bit & i asked her to sign my ticket stub
(felt silly but what the hey) and then we mentioned to her that she &
mary should record these shows & put out an acoustic cd together!  she
loved the idea & said she'd mention it to mary!!!!

what an evening!  thanks for listening to my babble...

sheri g (who's flyin' right now & couldn't sleep if i tried!)
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the only version i'd heard for the longest time was 1200 curfews (i've
acquired ig cd's in a very random order!) so when i heard the version on
self-titled it kinda cracked me up it's so different.  i think my fave
is still 1200 c's version...it's so raw & passionate.  although i'm on a
huge amy kick right now so i'll have to go check out that *growl* on sf
version :)

peace & indigo dreams,

sheri g
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just had to throw this in the mix...i am so envious of all you georgians
& anyone within driving distance of all those cool little places that
amy & emily grace with their presence & talent!!!  oh how i wish i could
see them up close & personal at a place like eddie's!  enjoy the show
for me, my friends.

peace & indigo dreams,

sheri g  (bemoaning her west coast residence only because ig don't play
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on thu, 22 oct 1998, sarah t. rosenblum wrote:

> which version do you prefer, the one on the self-titled, the one on strange
> fire, or the live one on 1200 curfews? personally i like the one on strange
> fire cause amy gets this sort of growl in her voice on "you say we're
> under" (the same sky)

        i like the 1200 curfews version best.  the one on the self-titled
cd is a bit wacky for my tastes, and the strange fire version is a bit
too . . . well . . . studio.  i love amy's "i just might break a string
on this song (again) any minute now" energy on the 1200 curfews version.
besides, it just rocks.  :)  and her comment about "when i first heard
this song, it was a ballad, but then i heard the replacements.  and it
wasn't any more." is just so cute . . . well, you know . . .

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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hi y'all,

as some of you know, i work at the cpo club at naf atsugi, japan. since it's
getting close to the holidays (yippeee!) we're looking for some new and
original promotion ideas. since you all are a cornucopia of information and
ideas (like how i threw cornucopia in there with the holiday theme? ;-) i
thought some of you might like to make some suggestions. i'd sure appreciate
it. what i've come up with so far is a homemade ornament contest, and maybe
an essay contest about "my favorite christmas memory" or "my best gift
ever".
of course, it doesn't have to be a contest, it could just be something that
we can do to make the holidays fun here at the club. for example, christmas
karaoke night.

also, we have a lot of single and unaccompanied sailors here, and we'd
especially like things that are geared towards them, so they don't feel so
alone at during all the family type activities. i know many of your spouses
will be away this year, what kind of the things do you think they would be
interested in? any and all suggestions would be greatly appreciated, and i'd
be forever grateful!

thanks bunches, oodles and gobs, in advance!!

susan

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sorry about sending that to the list. trying to do too much too fast i
guess.

but - since it got posted, feel free to send any ideas you might have my way
:-)
i can use all the help i can get.

again, sorry about that.

susan

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i though everyone might enjoy reading this short article from the
atlanta journal constitution:


with at least nine restaurants opening in the last year, decatur is a
hot spot for eateries, and the trend continues. two more are opening
shortly. watershed, co-owned by emily saliers of the atlanta-based folk
rock group indigo girls, is scheduled to open monday at 406 west ponce
de leon ave. near the decatur post office. it will not only serve a
light fare of gourmet sandwiches, appetizers and a few entrees, but will
also have wine tasting, flowers, gifts and specialty foods for sale. "we
wanted to open up a fun type of place in decatur," said saliers, who has
three partners in the business. they all live in decatur and cite trendy
new york-based eatery dean & deluca as one of their inspirations.
"atlanta does not have a place like this," said saliers. the interior,
designed by dominic coyne, whose other clients include the upscale
buckhead restaurant bacchanalia, is a "combination of wood and
industrial," said saliers.

pipes and vents in the ceiling and walls are exposed, the colors on the
walls are bright yellow and blue --- colors that would have been common
in the '50s. the furniture, wine racks, tables and chairs, are all
natural wood. the 4,000-square-foot building is on the former site of a
service station. saliers says that she plans to spend as much time at
watershed as she can when she's not on the road or recording. about the
name she said, "watershed means turning point, and we're at a point in
our lives where we want change." susan owens, one of the business
partners, says she thinks decatur will be the next virginia highland,
with one important difference: parking is much easier and better in
decatur, and that is very good for business.


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i owe an apology to everyone on the list to get an amy/cooper boot.  i
listened to the master a few days ago and found that it was corrupted.
sorry!!  i made a new master which sounds much better thus far.

if you already have a copy and feel the quality is bad please send it back
and i'll do it over.

if  you are waiting for a copy i'm sorry it's taken so long.  i should
start copying again today.

thanks for your understanding and patience!

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on thu, 22 oct 1998, jennifer belton wrote:

>                 neither.  the version on back on the bus ya'll
> is my fave.

maybe i'm crazy but i'm sitting here in my office with my copy of
"back on the bus, y'all" in my hand and there is no land of
canaan on it ... emily says in the liner notes that loc is on
three of their albums -- aren't those "strange fire" "indigo
girls" and "1200 curfews"?

tle
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    impossibility. we're standing at opposite poles
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        hey all,

        since this thread seems to be turning into a poll...please respond to the
original poster "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>.

        thanks!

                jen

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reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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sorry to send this to the whole list, but i forgot who originally posted
about this. does anyone know how much it costs to get candace to come and
speak on your campus? if anyone does, let me know, por favor.

grassyass,
amy m.

**********************************************************************************
"to be nobody but myself-in a world which is doing its best, night and
day, to make you everybody else-means to fight the hardest battle which
any human being can fight, and never stop fighting."

                                -e.e. cummings
**************************************************************************************
"we are not empty-headed celebrities."
            -the goddess, amy ray
"women together is a powerful thing. especially when you join it with
music."
            -the goddess, emily saliers
"amy is the stuff fantasies are made of, emily is the stuff romantics
yearn for."
            -the goddess, jilly c.

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sarah inquired which version we prefer:  self-titled, strange fire, or 1200
curfews.  for me, nothing compares to the self-titled version.  toward the end
of the song, right before amy sings "ooh baby", she lets out a groan that i
have not heard her duplicate in *any* concert.  it's amazing.  [wiping my
brow].

-- heidi

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hi all:

just a quick mention that tonight on lifetime ellen's first show is the,
"womyn fest," episode with sarah mclachlan, amy and emily.  the show is on at
6:00 eastern time.  if this has already been mentioned sorry for the repeat.

sue

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hey y'all. i have a really terrible story to tell you. this is one of the
worst things i've heard about in a long time. my roommate's mother's
friend's daughter (got that?) is 15 years old and lives in jacksonville, fl.
last weekend she and a bunch of friends went to see a movie at tinseltown
theatres in jax. the girl was sitting there watching the movie when she
suddenly felt a prick on her arm. when she turned around she saw a syringe
with blood inside and a note that said "you have just been infected with
hiv. may everyone in this heartless world feel the way i feel." she
immediately left and had her mother take her to the hospital. the blood in
the syringe was tested and it was indeed hiv positive. the girl's test came
back negative, but she has to go back for another test in a month.

that same kind of thing has happened more than 10 times since the theatre
opened at the beginning of the summer. supposedly 6 people have been
confirmed hiv positive as a result. can y'all believe this? i just can't
imagine someone being so f'ed up that he/she would want to infect others
just for kicks. i just wanted to share that with y'all. hopefully these are
just a bunch of isolated incidents in jax and not a new worry for the whole
country. please pray for all the victims. this is just too sad.

jendy

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hi everyone!  i was wondering if anyone here happened to tape sarah mc on jay
leno last night.   i wasn't able to watch it, and being a fan would really
like a copy.   if anyone has it please email me!  thanks bunches   kirsten

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hey everyone,

sorry for the nigc here but i just found this really cool website at
www.feminist.com that has all these resources for feminists on the web,
including a bookstore, articles, links so other sites (like sisterhood is
global- did anyone read sisterhood is powerful? pick that one up! it's full of
stories and statistics from the women who lived the women's rights movement in
the late 60's early 70's) and all this wonderful information on how to become
involved, be politically active on behalf of women's and human rights all over
the world........it's a great resource for anyone that's interested....i
recommend you check it out!

peace,
amy

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+++cmj showcase+++
daemon has been invited to have a showcase at the cmj conference in
new york.  the whole family will be converging on the city - my sweet
etc.(reversing hour),terri binion, belloluna, three finger cowboy, and
danielle howle & the tantrums.    the show is scheduled for november 5th at
the baggot inn.
more info to come as soon as we get it.

from the monthly email mailing!

here are a few web links:

<a href="http://newyork.citysearch.com/e/v/nycny/0002/99/13/1.html">
citysearch: baggot inn</a>

<a href="http://www.cmj.com/marathon98/">music marathon-cmj

</a><a href="http://monsterbit.com/daemon/index.html">welcome to daemon
records</a>

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i was thinking today about all these possibilities of seeing amy (and emily)
in certain places..such as the daemon concert...sometimes i think that we as
fans neglect the fact that a+e are people...so with this upcoming daemon
concert that was announced with the possibility of seeing amy, i was like
"whoa whoa...not the reason that the concert is being held!"  the concert is
being held to give some pr to the daemon co.  now i know that all those out
there that are ig fans might not be daemon fans..and i think that it is wrong
to exploit amy in this fashion by announcing the possibility that she might be
there..imho it takes away from the true reason that the concert is being held,
takes away from those artists such as danielle howle and others, and takes
away from amy herself- in the sense that she just might want some of the
spotlight off of her so that she can showcase daemon ...i don't know...just a
thought...i just don't want to see a bunch of people lining up with the
*intention* of possibly seeing amy..and not being there for the music!

sorry...not intended to be a flame-just a thought..

indigo smiles***
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can someone post the lyrics to 'sister?' also, does anyone know the story
behind it?

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subject:         elegy for matt
date:         fri, 23 oct 1998 13:08:33 -0400
from:         john aravosis <john@wiredstrategies.com>

this is likely the 2d to last email i will be sending for a while on
the matt shepard case, until the trial comes up later this year.

a number of you have asked for guidance as to what else you can do to
make a difference on the issue surrounding hate crimes, and i will be
preparing a short mailing on that soon.  in addition, i will soon set
up a separate email list for those interested in receiving short
weekly (or so) updates on gay-related issues, akin to my matthew
shepard updates/commentaries - again, information on how to subscribe
to that list will be forthcoming in the same mailing, so hold on.

for now, i've attached an essay i've written, and published on the
matthew shepard online resources web site.   feel free to share it
with friends.

john

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'elegy for matt'
by john aravosis
matthew shepard online resources
october 23, 1998
http://www.wiredstrategies.com/shepardx.html#elegy

for ten days in october, the world came out. in a global electronic
epiphany, a light was turned on as millions tapped into an awareness,
an understanding, and an empathy of gayness that before october 9 most
had never known.

we held vigils, sent emails, shared our grief, and demanded change.
many found a new drive to live - and others, a spirit-to-fight long
forgotten.

from zimbabwe to australia, and from portland oregon to portland
maine, our love knew no borders, we cast aside our prejudices, and
tended the bedside of a dying young man.

"thank you john, i am thousands of miles away here in zimbabwe. but i
feel so deeply that i cannot put this in words!! of course us gays
here are totally taboo, but one day we too shall win. it is my fervent
belief that god has a special place for us, and indeed a special
purpose. thank you my friend, brian." - email, october 18, 1998.

we came out to loved ones:

"i was afraid of what would happen to me if i came out. but, this
secret was tearing me up inside. i told my best friend that i was gay.
thankfully, she accepted me for who i am not what i am. yesterday, i
told another friend. matt shepard's death must mean something. even
though he died because of irresponsible hatred, i will not let that
deter me. i am gay. it is the way that god made me. he made me this
way for a purpose. what that purpose is, i do not know. but i will not
hide behind the shame and hatred that i have lived behind for so long.
matt shepard may have died, but his strength lives on in each of us."
- email, october 20, 1998.

we took a stand:

"this isn't just a gay thing anymore. this is really about humanity
and decency. let every ounce of bigotry and hatred be met with equal
measure of determination to end it. we can do it. i've taken the
gloves off. i just fuckin' dare one idiot to cross my path at this
point. i'm not looking for a fight but i sure as hell won't tolerate a
fool." - email, october 20, 1998.

we demanded an accounting:

"i am certain that the homosexual population of mississippi, and their
families and friends would like to know why you, senator lott,
consider the length of duck hunting season [a last-minute addition to
the budget bill by sen. lott] more worthy of your efforts than the
safety of your voters. or are you putting you gay/lesbian constituents
on the same level with ducks, open season on both?"- email to senate
republican leader trent lott's office, october 21, 1998.

we rekindled our spirit:

"for 35 years i've been a happy gay guy living with my lover in nice
houses, but 35 years ago we - he and i - stood outside the stonewall
and participated, not violently, very young then, but, upheld our
fellows feelings. it was a good feeling: one we can look back on with
pride. i will begin to pick up the banner again. we've hidden, happy,
and complacent. [the shepard case has] revive[d] a spirit i thought i
didn't need anymore."- email, october 20, 1998.

and we vowed to fight back:

"i have always voted for the person not the party - but now after what
the republicans are doing and have done i cannot vote for even one of
them. i will vote along straight democratic party lines!!!! urge
everyone to do the same and tell lott and his ilk that that is what we
are doing!"- email, october 20, 1998.

yet in spite of our renewal, and restraint, others choose to hate.
they make monsters of gay men and lesbians, while cloaking their
message in hope, in love, and in god.

kill the gays:

" 'lesbian love, sodomy are viewed by god as being detestable and
abominable. . . . civil magistrates are to put people to death who
practice these things,' said rich agozino, host of [christian radio
show] 'crosstalk' on radio station kbrt-am (740) in costa mesa, urging
callers to write to their state legislators asking them to enact laws
that would punish homosexuality according to biblical law, meaning
capital punishment, according to a transcript of the aug. 29 show." -
los angeles times, september 5, 1997.

rape the lesbians:

"it's not too late to try and be straight. give up your homo lifestyle
or more fags will die and lesbians raped and impregnated and forced to
bear straight children. this is war against you homo perverts!!" -
posted on october 20, 1998 to the matthew shepard online resources
bulletin board http://www.wiredstrategies.com/wwwboard

because we're dishonest:

" 'these people are intellectually dishonest in just about everything
they do or say,' the congressional quarterly quoted helms as saying
when asked about the documentary. he added, 'they start by pretending
that it is just another form of love. it's sickening.' " - senator
jess helms, variety, june 30, 1998.

because we're liars:

" 'homosexuality is a decision, it's not a race,' white said. 'people
from all different ethnic backgrounds live in this lifestyle. but
people from all different ethnic backgrounds also are liars and
cheaters and malicious and back-stabbing.' " - reggie white,
associated press, march 25, 1998.

because we're pedophiles:

"there is a strong undercurrent of pedophilia in the homosexual
subculture. homosexual activists want to promote the flouting of
traditional sexual prohibitions at the earliest possible age....they
want to encourage a promiscuous society - and the best place to start
is with a young and credulous captive audience in the public schools."
- family research council, http://www.frc.org/insight/is93f1hs.html

because we're sinners:

"it is [a sin]....you should try to show them a way to deal with that
problem, just like alcohol...or sex addiction...or kleptomaniacs." -
senate republican leader trent lott, associated press, june 15, 1998.

because we should be arrested:

"bob jones university has a message for gay alumni: stay away or be
arrested. the christian fundamentalist school threatened thursday to
arrest all gay graduates who return to campus. wayne mouritzen, a
retired minister and bob jones graduate, got a letter banning him from
campus because officials discovered he is gay. the letter, signed by
bob jones' dean of students, said: 'with grief we must tell you that
as long as you are living as a homosexual, you, of course, would not
be welcome on the campus and would be arrested for trespassing if you
did visit.' " - associated press, october 23, 1998.

because we're going to hell:

"in 1 corinthians 6:9-10, homosexuals are included in a list of
sinners, who, if unrepentant, will not inherit the kingdom of god." -
family research council press release on the day of matthew's funeral,
october 16, 1998.

religious extremists vilify us. call us diseased, perverted, immoral,
and abomination. they say on tv and radio that we deserve to lose our
jobs, our children, our families and our homes. they prepare studies
for congress "proving" we are unfit teachers, parents, ambassadors,
and soldiers. they liken us to adulterers, murderers, kleptomaniacs,
and alcoholics. and they accuse us of being anti-family,
anti-christian, anti-god, and anti-america.

this is not love. it is a blasphemy of christianity that makes one
yearn less to be an ex-gay than an ex-christian. it pollutes the word
of god, and wrongly tells america that people of faith are crazy,
backward, and bitter.  and worst of all, it teaches our young that to
love god one must hate man.

their hate killed matt.

but "no," they protest, words don't kill people - people kill people.

"don't blame aa because a drunk was beat up," said heather farish of
the family research council, responding to charges that her
organization's anti-gay rhetoric gives license to anti-gay violence.
dallas morning news, october 17, 1998.

but how do they explain the religiously-justified hatred pervading our
youth?

"i was talking to a group of high school students that i teach about
matthew's death, and what i heard shocked me. not only did they think
he deserved what he got, but they wanted to go and defend his killers
because it was a 'holy killing.'" - email, october 16, 1998.

it is simply not possible to preach the inhumanity of man, then
blithely skulk away when principle meets practice. it is simply not
moral to give a child a gun, then feign ignorance when someone gets
hurt.

if words do not inspire actions, then why did they spend $500,000 on
an ad campaign to inspire gays to 'convert'? they know words have
consequences, and their words are nothing less than the subjugation
and dehumanization of gay and lesbian americans. it is no wonder that
decades of disdain eventually led to violence.

"we knew there would be a matthew shepard, we just didn't know who it
would be." wayne besen of the human rights campaign, the [bergen co.,
n.j.] record, october 21, 1998.

last week a part of us died, but another was reborn. and while we
didn't win the hearts of congress, we captured the soul of america,
and the world. many of us are no longer afraid. no longer alone. and
no longer complacent in the face of evil. while angry, sad and
dispirited, we finally fought back for one of our own. and it felt
good, and just.

for me, october 9 will always be matt shepard day.

the day we cast aside our shame.

the day we declared our humanity.

the day we challenged their lies and their hate.

the day we defended our brothers and sisters, and ourselves, publicly
and proudly.

and the day we paused to honor an unknown friend, whose soul inspired
a revolution he will never see.

so let this be our call to arms. our call to action. our call to
reclaim america.

if matt could survive alone in the cold - bound, beaten and broken -
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hello!
      i don't have the e-mail address, but need to get in touch with jessie l.
on this list.  please write to me. =)  thanks, sarah

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please read this if you want a t-shirt, but haven't ordered one yet!

i'm still taking orders for the list t-shirts, through the end of the
month, so it's not too late.

the design is located at:
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two t-shirts are available with this design:
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cost for each shirt, sizes m-xl is $11. xxl or xxxl shirts are $12 each.
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if you want a shirt, email me asap with the following information:
name, address, color, size and quantity of shirts

i will then send you the address where you can send your cash, check or
money order. when you send the $$, please include all your order info as
well. :)

please email me with any more questions. i'm hoping to order the shirts in
early novemeber (once i receive all the checks), and ship them out to you
over thanksgiving break. i've already received orders for about 150
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hi,
every now and then i read about someone wanting to make a  tape of songs
that ig has covered.  does such a tape exist or is it still just being
talked about?  if there is such a tape i'd love a copy, as would a lot
of other people, i'm sure.  would someone get back to me if they have
done this, or know of the one who has put this together?  thank you.
elaine

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  which version do you prefer, the one on the self-titled, the one on strange
  fire, or the live one on 1200 curfews?


my vote has to go to the version on the self-titled.  don't know why...just
seem to like it better.


dawn

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ok, here in mpls we have a new radio station called 'the point' and they
have been very cool about playing ig.  actually, very cool.  yesterday i
spent approximately 2 hours in my truck driving and listening to the radio
and heard the ig three times.  this radio station calls itself the new
alternative and mentions the ig in about 75 percent of the ads for the
station.  there's even one with a caller saying thanks for playing the ig.
:)  is it anyone from the list?

so, anyway, my question is this:  are the ig mainstream alternative?  i've
never really being able to catagorize them as such because i've always
thought of that meaning the groups who compromised themselves to get on the
bigtime playlists, which to me does not describe the ig.  what's everyone's
opinion on this?

lisa

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in a message dated 10/23/98 8:52:52 pm, lisa wrote:

<<>so, anyway, my question is this:  are the ig mainstream alternative?  i've
>never really being able to catagorize them as such because i've always
>thought of that meaning the groups who compromised themselves to get on the
>bigtime playlists, which to me does not describe the ig.  what's everyone's
>opinion on this?>>

and i think of alternative as exactly opposite of what lisa says... it's those
who don't get on the playlist.... the artists who don't want to be part of the
"machine."  but then again, that could also be considered underground, which
is where "alternative" came from.

dee (who's just thinking out loud... i do that now & then)

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in a message dated 10/23/98 8:36:35 pm central daylight time,
brewgirl@pinenet.com writes:

<<  are the ig mainstream alternative?>>

when i was in highschool i classified them as alternative....but anything *i*
listened to back then i classified as alternative...alternative to the
mainstream pop...had to have the *labels* which distinguished me from the...
ummm..*conformists?*... anyway, i laugh at my *image* conscious youth...

no, i don't think they are alternative...but i don't see many musicians as
*alternative* anymore...

on thing to consider---ig is huge in the junior highschools right now...i was
kind of taken aback by that...so, the popularity among the youngsters is why i
think that radio stations are a.) playing ig (isn't that a horrible reason to
play them...only b/c they are popular and not b/c they are super sonic wonder
musicians? well, that's how radio works i suppose...) and b.) announcing them
as alternative...

it's all politics...

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> <<  are the ig mainstream alternative?>>

well i can't classify music if my life depended on it.  but i do know that ig is
classified as excellent!

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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seems people have been talking a lot about rose (eddie's attic gig in
particular), so i thought i'd post her whole itinerary--this way you can
catch her when/if she comes to a venue near u....
also, visit rosepolenzani.com for latest info and various other
rose-related shtuff....

sat 10/24/98
9pm  rose polenzani
     no exit cafe, chicago, il 6970 n. glennwood 773-743-3355
     acoustic, alternative, contemporary, folk, indie, progressive
thu 10/29/98
8pm  rose polenzani / susan werner hamilton college, events barn,
     clinton, ny rose opens for susan werner. 315-859-4194 for more
info
fri 10/30/98
9pm  rose polenzani wellesley college/molly's pub, wellesley, ma
     rose will play a full set.
wed 11/04/98
8pm  "voices on the verge tour '98" jess klein / erin mckeown / beth
     amsel / rose polenzani georges 5th st. cafe , philadelphia, pa
     517 south st. 215-925-3500 a very special in-the-round emerging
artist evening acoustic, alternative, contemporary, eclectic,
     experimental, folk, indie, jazz, original, progressive
thu 11/05/98
7pm  rose polenzani / ferron, iron horse music hall, northampton, ma
     rose opens for the legendary ferron.
fri 11/06/98
7pm  rose polenzani / ferron, club passim, cambridge, ma
     rose opens for ferron as part of club passim's celebrity series
     tickets (617)492-7679
sat 11/07/98
7pm  great women's voices, jess klein / trina hamlin / rose polenzani
mica richards / colleen sexton / june rich / lori mckenna / faith
     soloway, somerville theatre, davis sq., somerville, ma
     all ages. $16 advance, $17 day of show, $14/$15 for seniors &
students. songstreet productions (617)628-3390 acoustic,
alternative, blues, contemporary, folk, indie, progressive, vocals
sun 11/08/98
10pm  "voices on the verge tour" tour, jess klein / erin mckeown /
rose polenzani / beth amsel, the living room, new york, ny
      an in-the-round 3 hour extravaganza with some of the best
      emerging new singer/songwriters. 84 stanton st. lower east side
corner of stanton and allen.
tue 11/10/98
7pm   "voices on the verge tour" jess klein / erin mckeown / beth
      amsel / rose polenzani, iron horse music hall, northampton, ma
      a huge night in northampton. years from now you'll want to say
you were at this show. 20 center st. 413-584-0610. get your
tickets in advance.
wed 11/11/98
9pm   "voices on the verge tour" jess klein / erin mckeown / beth
      amsel / rose polenzani, as220, providence, ri tickets $6
            acoustic, alternative,
thu 11/12/98
8:45pm  rose polenzani / jess klein, tufts university, medford, ma
        hotung cafe-meyer campus center, tufts feminist alliance
women's concert rose plays 40min set to open. then jess plays
for 60min.
wed 11/18/98
tba (two shows)  "writer's night" rose polenzani / amy ray / danielle
howle, eddie's attic, decatur, ga another performer will be added
sat 11/21/98
9pm  rose polenzani, no exit cafe, chicago, il the amazing chris
     parsely opens.
wed 11/25/98
*tenative date* rose polenzani, morseland music room, chicago, il
call club to confirm.
sat 11/28/98
9pm   rose polenzani, uncommon ground coffeehouse, chicago, il
sat 12/05/98
tba   rose polenzani, university of wisconsin, madison, wi
      more details coming
thu 01/14/99
8:45pm  "norris at night" rose polenzani, northwestern university,
       evanston, il norris campus center- stay posted for more details

......and that's all i have 4 u right now. sorry to take up so much
space with this nigc, but it seemed worthy.....take care
. . . . . .
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when i first read this i started trying to figure out if they are
"alternative", and then remembered that that has no real meaning.
asking "is ig alternative?" is like asking "is bob dylan alternative?".
well, he's no exactly mainstring music, but then again, i wouldn't call
him alternative.  ig, like bob, are just good music.

the sfc

> ok, here in mpls we have a new radio station called 'the point' and they
> have been very cool about playing ig.  actually, very cool.  yesterday i
> spent approximately 2 hours in my truck driving and listening to the radio
> and heard the ig three times.  this radio station calls itself the new
> alternative and mentions the ig in about 75 percent of the ads for the
> station.  there's even one with a caller saying thanks for playing the ig.
> :)  is it anyone from the list?
>
> so, anyway, my question is this:  are the ig mainstream alternative?  i've
> never really being able to catagorize them as such because i've always
> thought of that meaning the groups who compromised themselves to get on the
> bigtime playlists, which to me does not describe the ig.  what's everyone's
> opinion on this?
>
> lisa
>
> lisa nordeen
> "ran as hard as i could, still ended up here."
>           -emily saliers
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> from: dschulman@aol.com
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: re: are ig mainstream alternative?
>
>and i think of alternative as exactly opposite of what lisa says... it's
those
>who don't get on the playlist.... the artists who don't want to be part of
the
>"machine."  but then again, that could also be considered underground,
which
>is where "alternative" came from.

i guess i didn't make my point very clear here!  sorry.  i meant that there
are alternative groups that have become very mainstream by trying to either
copy another band's sound or by taking their 'hit' song and cloning it (for
lack of a better term).  what i'm seeing is that there seems to be those
true alternative stations (mostly college radio) that will play music
because it's great music and the other alternative stations that are popping
up all over that are pale imitations of these true alternatives.  as much as
i like zone 105 and all that, they're not half the  station that rev 105
was.  (to bring you all up to date, rev105 was a great indie kind of station
that got bought out by a major conglomerate and now it's the same ol', same
ol' alternative.)  the imposters still have the playlist and although they
'take requests' it's not the same.

lisa
(who at this moment should be asleep, but just got back from her 1st 'date'
in ages)

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on fri, 23 oct 1998, kara runge wrote:

> no, i don't think they are alternative...but i don't see many musicians as
> *alternative* anymore...

   i always classified them as "alternative", because that's exactly what
they were - in the movement (led most notably by rem) that defined the
word as a musical genre.
   however, alternative has become a buzzword for twenty-somethings who
can't play their instruments, so...

   darius

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mainstream alternative?  isn't that kind of an oxymoron?  i was just
thinking about this very thing on the way home from work yesterday - how
ironic it is that today, alternative music is mainstream - it seems to
be the standard.  so,  i guess we should name it something else, since
it doesn't fit the definition of "alternative" anymore!  my feeling is
that today, the word  "alternative"  (as relates to music) is merely a
genre name...it doesn't have the same meaning it did back in the 80s
when it was emerging.   when i was in college, "alternative" was not
getting mch commercial airplay (except for  rem, u2 and a handful of
others]. maybe that's why for the last few years billboard has called it
modern rock - 'cause it is no longer music that represents an
alternative sound, attitude, viewpoint, etc.    but hasn't it gone
through many incarnations?  there has been "new wave,"  "new music,"
"alternative," "grunge," etc. etc.  each one has been different, but all
fell within the same family.  sorry for the nigc, but i just find this
very interesting.

peace,

joan :-d

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>radio station calls itself the new alternative
>are the ig mainstream alternative?
>thought of that meaning the groups who compromised themselves to get on
the
>bigtime playlists, which to me does not describe the ig.

it depends on if the radio station was using it as a noun or adjective.
sorta.
mainstream alternative could mean 2 things:  as a noun, it could be the
alternative to the mainstream stuff out there.  as an adjective, it
could mean so-called "alternative" music (i.e. alanis morisette, green
day, cranberries, jewel, etc.) that is out in the mainstream for the
masses.  ack.

i had a similar discussion with a german girl i met, who is in my town
for 3 months on an internship before going back to germany to start
university.  i took her to see patty griffin; after the show, she asked
me, "so what do you call that kind of music? 'indie'? or rock, or what?"
here's where it gets confusing.  let's use patty griffin as the example,
cause that's what i used to explain it to her; plus her sound is
trans-genre (is that a word? can i coin that phrase? ;)) like the
girls'.

can't be indie, cause that stands for independent, meaning the artist is
on an independent music label.  (like daemon.)

not necessarily rock, cause you've got the elements of folk and jazz in
there too.  and i always think of arena rock (kiss, anyone?) when i
think of rock.  bon jovi.  whitesnake.  yeow.

not necessarily folk, cause you've sometimes got a non-acoustic sound.
plus she's got a backup band 3/4 of the time.

ummm... "undiscovered"?

hrm.

jill


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does anyone know on what cd i can find the song sung by sheryl crow and stevie
nicks "if you ever did believe"?
reply to me in private. thanks
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regarding the
>"voices on the verge tour" jess klein / erin mckeown / beth
> amsel / rose polenzani

it was written:
>years from now you'll want to say you were at this show.

no, years from now i'll say it's a *shame* this tour never left the east
coast.

apparently midwesterners don't deserve to hear the best emerging
singer-songwriters, eh?

jill

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date:         sat, 24 oct 1998 04:37:08 -0700
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hey indiglows,
i was cruising down music boulevard, preparing for the scary dive into my
first online shop, when i noticed a curious thing on the ig page... a box
set of the 1st 3 cds (strange fire, ig, & nis) all for one low, onsale
price. now, as i have these albums on worn-out tapes, i've been wanting to
get them on cd. i can't afford to get them all separately, so this seems
like a great deal- until i look at the tracklist, which is nine songs
chosen from the 3 albums. what's up? anyone have a clue? i mean, it says
"3 classic albums" and "3-in-1"... then it says "5 cd set." (even
stranger) and why would an ep w/ 9 songs from 3 albums be on *sale* for
$25?
so, can anyone enlighten me? i mean, in this respect? ;)
peace, arjuna

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there is a program called back orafice that rides piggy back with
attachments.  once you open the attachment, it executes and becomes
invisible.  when you are the lucky owner <sarcastic>, anyone on the www
who knows your ip can get inside your computer and have their way with
your life, if you have personal information on it.

this is not a hoax, its for real.  we had it for a few weeks and didn't
know it till a "nice hacker" bleeped us from inside the computer and
told us the names of folders in our files, how much ram we had, he even
deleted a file to prove it.  anytime you are connected to the net you
are at risk.  microsoft doesn't have a cure, but norton does.

please run to the norton site, look up back orafice and make sure you
are clean.

ig dreams,

karen

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hey y'all
          i've had a very indigo'y week.  i mean, pretty much everywhere i
look i've seen words and such that brought up songs in my mind.  oh, history
class, did you know that indigo was a major export from the carolinas?  and in
entertainment weekly they were talking abotu thursday night tv, but the
caption under the picture was "tuesday's children"  if anyone has the poem in
full that the phrase "tuesday's children" comes from, please e mail it to me,
i'd really like to have a copy!

anyway the other thing is a school paper from my area mentioned ig.  it was an
articole about homosexuality and they were talking about how it's all over the
media.  they said it's in the movies and mentioned some movies it's in, they
did the same for tv (of course sighting ellen amoung others) and on the radio
and they said indigo girls.  i'm very surpised though, that they didn't
mention melissa ethridge or kd lang.  i do know the girl who wrote the
articole ... that may play into it...she had to do a lot of research for the
articole, if you know what i mean.

well, just wanted to let you all know what's going on.
if anyone has a copy of the boot, complicated girls, i still would like a
copy.  please let me know.

thanks very much,
rae

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k... i promise, jen... next one i'll take private! ;)

in a message dated 10/24/98 12:09:19 am, lisa wrote:

<<what i'm seeing is that there seems to be those true alternative stations
(mostly college radio) that will play music because it's great music and the
other alternative stations that are popping up all over that are pale
imitations of these true alternatives.>>

right... and these stations, which don't play ig (as opposed to true
alternative stations that do), are calling themselves "alternative" when they
are basically "popular" or a variation thereof.  gawd forbid they call
themselves "pop" stations, because that has a negative connotation to it.

dee (who's enjoying a discussion on the list for the first time in too long a
while)

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but come on, all...who on the list honestly wants the indigo girls to get
"popular?"  sure, it's nice to hear them on the radio once in a while, and
the first couple times i did (when bmhawk came out) i was beyond excited.
but then the actuality sunk in.  other people are hearing them now.  people
who are going to go to their concerts and try to get front tickets just to
hear ctf and soy.  other people will nod and be like "yeah, i know them"
when you try and describe your favorite group.  the specialness is leaving,
my friends, and i for one am not very happy to see it go.  i am all for ig
to reach more people and get more of a following, but let that following be
the tried and true fans, like us, who honestly and truly love their
music...all of their music.  now, i do not mean to be exclusionary or elite
in any wy...ig's music is for everyone and speaks to everyone differently
and deserves to spread it's message across this great land of ours.  but
when you start to want their music played on the "alternative" radio
stations that aren't college-based (of which ig has always been a huge part
of), remember the feeling you get when you tell people your favorite group
and realize that ig are so unique and so special and how lucky you are to
have found them because of that very thing.

i know there will be some flames abounding after this post.  i'm prepared.
i just feel kind of strongly about this particular subject.

alisa

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well, i have to admit that i love the live version on 12:00 curfew best.  i
love to hear amy sing live.  there is just something about the way that she
sings live that really gets me going.  but if you want to hear a growl that
will set you on fire.  get the video for jcs and listen to her do gethsemane.
the line "i don't know i don't know my lord," will send shivers down your
spine.  at least it did for me.  the album version just didn't have the
passion that the live version did of course seeing the expression on her face
sent me to another place all together as well. (tee hee).  i have to wonder if
they will release a live version of it on cd soon.  oh well we will just have
to wait.
peace love and light
beccie

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i agree with you 100%.  in a related article amy wrote about how upset she was
that people were wondering if she and emily were going to be at the opening of
a shop that emily's g/f was opening up in atlanta.  not to mention the letter
she wrote to the atlanta mag about the article that they did on her a couple
of years ago.  that is not the reason to go to the show, and even thought the
thought of seeing amy in person would thrill me to no end, we should respect
their privacy and respect that daemon records is there for the daemon artists.
epic has ig on their label, if it were a concert for epic records then i'd say
go for it and i hope that they are there, but lets show a little respect here.
peace love and light
beccie

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sorry for the nigc, but if anyone in the atlanta area is interested in seeing
shawn colvin from the fourth row at the robert furst center (ga tech), i have
an extra ticket.  the show is wednesday, october 28th at 8:00 pm.  it's some
kind of special cd release show for her new cd.   ticket cost is $30 with tm
charges.  if interested, please email me privately.

thanks!!
lisa

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oooh guess what???

come's nyc show at the knitting factory (they take the stage at 11pm
eastern time tonight) is being broadcast *live* on the knitting
factory's website!  ( http://www.knittingfactory.com )  the whole
shebang starts @ 9pm; there are two opening bands, and then come comes
on @ 11.  i'm repeating myself.

so now here is where you all get to see the depth of my sickness. heh.
see,  i'm sooooo sad, i can't be there.  i'm stuck in the land of
cornfields and cows (hang on, bessie, i'll be there to milk ya in a
sec...).  i already scared the daylights outta lamia by calling her up
in out of the blue (we've never spoken in person before) and asking her
to record the show for me (sorry babe, didn't mean to be so random).
but nooooo, i need *more*.  i need someone with a *video camera* to
freakin sit in front of their computer and actually *videotape* the
video that goes along with the audio, so that i can actually *see*
thalia and not just hear her.  now you know.  i'm sick, sick i tell ya.
;)

anybody wanna do this for me and make a lame-o (me) really really
happy???  are you so strong to resolve the weakness in me? ;)
i am so serious here, snags and chickies.  i would reward you
handsomely.  take me up on this offer and find out.

jills

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>sat 10/24/98
>9pm  rose polenzani
>     no exit cafe, chicago, il 6970 n. glennwood 773-743-3355
>     acoustic, alternative, contemporary, folk, indie, progressive

yeah!!!!!!  come to this show!  there's a distinct and small possibility that
rose will be wearing my friend caroline's multi-colored sparkly sweater
tonight.  i say it's a small possibility because, although rose said she would
try to wear it, she strikes me as a wonderfully absentminded person......she
said, "what if i forget to bring it??!!!!  when caroline gave her the
sweater:-)  so she might forget.  but no matter, because she's an awesome
performer even without  the sweater:-)   so come!!  support her!!! she's too
awesome of a musician to  be overlooked.  she has sold five hundred
cd's.....but she deserves to be selling alot more than that. buy her cd, buy
her demos......and make a lot of noise!  tell your friends!  rose said she's
getting to the point where she almost doesn't have to work another job when
she's home, and she said she's starting to see people at her shows who she
isn't related to....:-)  trust me, she's amazing - right lia?
don't miss a chance to see her live!!!

sorry for the nigc....but it's worthy, i promise!
emily

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hi ig'ers!

any tips on getting a seat at eddie's the night amy's playing there?

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to join go to www.onelist.com an search for queer nation. missy

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>date:  sat, 24 oct 1998 04:37:08 -0700

>reply-to: arjuna greist <agreist@calvin.pitzer.edu>

>from:  arjuna greist <agreist@calvin.pitzer.edu>

>subject:      music blvd. weirdness

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hi arjuna and y'all,

i saw the 3-in-1(sf/ig/nis) set that you spoke of, at a store called
best buy, here in california that was the same price ($25.00), and it
includes all of the tracks from the cd's, not just the ones that are
mentioned.

re: land of canaan, i heard it first on 1200 curfews, and loved the way
michelle, amy, and emily said "i don't care, i don't care, i don't care
either!"  but i have to say my favorite version is on strange fire.
i have a tape of back on the bus, y'all, and i noticed also that it
didn't contain a loc track, is it on the cd?

can anyone tell me what tracks are on 4.5 (british release of ig)?
respond privately please. thanks.

diane - who would like to thank publicly shelley, sheryl, and melissa in
advance for doing those boots for her! =) woohoo!

>i was cruising down music boulevard, preparing for the scary dive into
my
>first online shop, when i noticed a curious thing on the ig page... a
box
>set of the 1st 3 cds (strange fire, ig, & nis) all for one low, onsale
>price. now, as i have these albums on worn-out tapes, i've been wanting
to
>get them on cd. i can't afford to get them all separately, so this
seems
>like a great deal- until i look at the tracklist, which is nine songs
>chosen from the 3 albums. what's up? anyone have a clue? i mean, it
says
>"3 classic albums" and "3-in-1"... then it says "5 cd set." (even
>stranger) and why would an ep w/ 9 songs from 3 albums be on *sale* for
>$25?
>so, can anyone enlighten me? i mean, in this respect? ;)


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i already scared the daylights outta lamia by calling her up in out of
the blue (we've never spoken in person before) and asking her to
record the show for me.
--

she forgets to mention that i was in the *shower* at the time,
innocently trying to recover from my crappy evening last night when
someone pounds on the bathroom door and screeches "d..y..wan..je.."
and i'm like "what??"
and they're like "jill..from online! she's from where you're moving
to..she's on the phone.."
so i have to jump out of the shower and hear her all perky telling me
her love is going to be online tonight...and how can you say no to
jill? :) *l*

now i'm being shunned by my family because it's *gasp* after 10 and
there's a loud woman screeching on real audio and they're trying to
sleep :p

just thought i'd share my trauma...

*hugs*

lamia
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i always thought/think of ig as folkrock. they're not folk..cuz folk
is like dar william's early stuff, patty griffin's first album and
peter paul and mary.
but i think of ig, garrison starr, and such artists as folkrock.

*hugs*

lamia

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several people have mentioned that alternative started with groups like
rem.  i've heard rem described basically as the founders of alternative
a few times (in particular by tabatha soren in an article in usa
today).  this seemed rather odd to me since, for example, the cure
started in like 1978.  i tried in the following months to seek out the
true origin of alternative music (going as far back as the velvet
underground and captain beefheart), and quickly realised that there
really is no "alternative" music.  even it's use in the early 80s can be
seen as corporate america's attempt to categorize music so that it can
sell it easier.  ig are just plain good music.

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but on the flip side, if amy being at a concert like the ones in question gets
folks to come hear new bands, buy cd's, and have a rockin' good time, is that
so bad?

amy is a shred business woman, and she must know that her name on the bill
will bring to the show extra folks who may not as yet know the music of the
bands who are playing.

i must say i am excited about the chance to see amy, separate from emily,
doing something i am not used to seeing her do.  i mean i am excited to see
amy, who i have met twice before, but i am more excited to spend an evening in
nyc and hear some killer music.

just one woman's 2 pennies!

babs

ps: and just tell me one thing ... who signed on to go see the sst just
because it was ig and then later found out how cool the whole thing was?  me
me me !!!

pss: i am in a pisser mood!  sound not even post this but oh well!  and trust
me, this is not a flame, just flipping the coin in the discussion. :-)

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date:         sat, 24 oct 1998 21:14:59 -0700
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speaking of the cmj showcase and daemon..i just wanna say yay!
woohoo!! for 3 finger cowboy opening for fastball!! that totally rocks
that daemon will get some well deserved "mainstream" exposure!!

*hugs*

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date:         sat, 24 oct 1998 21:43:43 pdt
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i wanted to publicly say thanks to jill for getting the info out about
the come concert online. i listened to it (wasn't worth watching the
little inch tall people move maybe a centimeter every 3 seconds) and it
rocked. right now i'm listening to the people at the knotting factory
milling around drinking their drinks for a dollar off (if they still
have their ticket stubs)... weird thing, those online concerts.

okay, a little bit of igc:
i spotted a 4.5 cd in a cd store here in the detroit area last week or
so (i actually left the house!) and it freaked me out! i had always
heard about the bird on the cover and blah, blah, blah; but i'd never
seen it before... so i saw this cd in the bin in the ig section and i
freaked out! (for some dumb reason, i always look in the ig section like
they'll put out a new cd without me knowing about it or something) but i
realized what it was and was quite ticked that they could get away with
charging $23ish for it... but if anyone's interested in getting this cd
(looks new and wrapped), let me know and i can see if it's still there
and pick it up for you. it's all music that is on the studio albums.
looks like there's nothing new. i can't even tell you which tracks are
on there. but if anyone's interested, drop me a line. i do what i can to
serve. :) have great evenings everyone (or mornings as it may be)...

peace,
amy

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in a message dated 10/24/98 12:44:17 am central daylight time,
jillyc@hotmail.com writes:

<< apparently midwesterners don't deserve to hear the best emerging
singer-songwriters, eh? >>

i/ve been feeling this way too...like when are all the great musicians going
to be coming to minnesota?  or i would settle for something with in five hours
of here...unfortunately, it takes six to get to madison. :(

kara.

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in a message dated 10/24/98 11:25:29 am central daylight time,
agreenb1@swarthmore.edu writes:

<< but come on, all...who on the list honestly wants the indigo girls to get
"popular?"  sure, it's nice to hear them on the radio once in a while, and
the first couple times i did (when bmhawk came out) i was beyond excited.
but then the actuality sunk in >>

i have to do a me too on this one...sorry, folks, but i get a little
sad/annoyed/paniced about concert ticket sales when i hear eighth graders
squeal over ig and the spice girls in one fallow swoop....selfish, selfish,
selfish...that's how i see myself...and i feel really bad about feeling this
way...but i can't help it...

:(
kara.

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okay...so, i pop onto ebay every now and again looking for the least
complicated promo...hoping to pay 2.50 plus s/h...anyway, there is a january
1998 copy of curve going for 20.50!!!  okay, if you are one of those people
who are bidding for this--you can order it for like $3...maybe even
cheaper...i've done my share of...oooo--i just found ebay, stupid
bidding...but, this is rediculous...so, pls...don't be stupid....just contact
curve...it's really easy!!!

on a side note--related to the lc promo...where are good places to look for
promos and singles in the real world?   would commercial record shops carry
them?  or used shops?  would they be in the ig bin, or someplace else...are
they usually really, really rare?  i don't know much in this area...i just
wonder where all these people on ebay get there stuff...they sell the same
things over and over again, every three days...hmmm...
kara...

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date:         sun, 25 oct 1998 00:47:30 -0500
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hi y'all

i apologize profusely for posting this to the list.  i am a bandwidth
(whatever it is, i'm not quite sure) hog.  i know.
i just have gone back to my college (knox)'s computer lab after
meeting/greeting candace gingrich, getting her to sign my copy of her
book, listening to her wonderful speech, and entertaining her at "the"
nice restaurant in galesburg, il.
what really hit me was.....well, at the end of her speech she spoke a
little about matthew shepard, and we all proceeded to hold a candlelight
vigil in the central "park" (the little area of land within galesburg's
traffic circle.)
i guess.....what really got to me was...it's hard to articulate, but i'm
going to try.
knox college is a small, liberal school.  we have a number of homophobic
people, of this i am sure.  but...it's a "bubble".  we live and let
live.  our school's motto is "freedom to flourish".  the town it is
located in is another story.

sometimes it gets me that...we all aren't doing enough.  at all.

it's a saturday night in galesburg.  all sorts of people were cruising
up and down main street...honking their horns, blasting their music...as
we were holding a moment of silence for a young man who...didn't do
anything to deserve what he got.  it was surreal.
galesburg has been trying to get their human rights ordinance to include
sexual orientation for at least the past two years, if not longer.  it's
not going to happen.   candace came to talk to us, in part, tonight to
discuss re-electing congresswoman carol moseley-braun.  that's not going
to happen either.
chatting with a semi famous lesbian made me warm and fuzzy.  but...what
about that guy who, during the q&a session identified himself as a '74
knox graduate...and blatantly stated how evil he thought homosexuals are
(you know...all those "special rights" we want).  candace handled that
one well but...god...that was after her speech.  why would a hate monger
go to hear her talk...and stay for the entire speech?
matthew shepard was just an ordinary young man...who was open about
himself.
how can we change the feelings in our smaller (or just more isolated)
towns?  what can we all do?
i don't know about you, but...i just want to be safe.
sorry for the nigc.
-melissa
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date:         sun, 25 oct 1998 02:48:26 -0600
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subject:      nigc: my olympic softball selection results

hi y'all,

for those of you curious or interested in the status of
my olympic softball tryouts, i have news....

last week, i got the letter saying i didn't get selected to go on
to the next round.  that's okay though, because i had a great
time and i still feel fortunate to be one of only 400 selected
around the us to try out at the open tryouts.  considering
only 20 of us got selected to go on to the next round, i
think the odds were against me (and the other 379 of us)
anyway.

looking back at the tryouts that my gf videotaped for me, i know
i looked pretty darn good.  but, hey, 20 other people looked better.
however i looked, i think it just wasn't meant to be.   i figure
it must've been hard for the committee to select the 20 people.  i
saw a lot of talent at the tryouts, and i fit right in with all the rest
of
the people.   i figure selection had to be somewhat of a turkey shoot
for them.  i don't think i would've wanted to be responsible for
selecting those few people.

there's always four years from now, when i'll just go and try out again.
so what if i'll be the ripe old age of 30.  ;-)
the next time, i'll be even more ready.  more built and conditioned.
faster.  stronger.  more smiles.  less nervousness.  better skills.
it's amazing what working out and practice can do for a
person.  what a concept!  ;-)  lord knows i lacked a bit of that this
time around.  being selected for the tryouts was somewhat of a
last-minute surprise, so i didn't have a heck of a lot of time to train.
shoot, i still did well, but alas.

thanks for everyone's support and encouragement!!!!  it made the
process all the more exciting and worthwhile.  you are indeed
friends, and i appreciate each and every one of you who sent me
well-wishes and had me in your hearts during this time.  all
the support helped me through the tryouts and made me feel really
good about myself, whether i was selected or not.  thanks!!!

lisa schreihart
cedar rapids, ia

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if anyone is interested in an article and a web sit concerning this fact
please e-mail me privately and i'll get you the info
interesting reading

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date:         sun, 25 oct 1998 06:55:10 -0800
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i'm listening to 4.5 right now - granted, there's nothing new on
it...but i dig it.  i think of it like this:  it's like someone made a
"mixed tape"  ya know?  went through and picked out their favorite
songs - and put them altogether on one cd - so there's no more
stopping to find their next favorite song...i like it bc of that -
it's a nice mix of 'stuff' from different albums.

take it easy -

sunny - who's diggin' a sunday morning w ig...and possibilities of
making a big daemon order...(i shouldnt have tried to balance my check
book first...argh).

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date:         sun, 25 oct 1998 10:31:29 est
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iam looking for a copy of the jcs video, if anyone knows where i could get
one, or would be willing to make a tape of it for me i would really appriciate
it, i can provide a tape as well as a few front row pics from the sst.  e-mail
me if you are intrested.

thanks all......
lori

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hey yall -

figured this would be the best place to ask about this - regarding
instant messenger (im)...i'm trying to change my password - (im gonna
be able to access im at *work* of all places - and my officemate was
setting us all up - but i cant *remember* my password!!) - so i
thought - no worries - ill change it from home - cuz it automatically
starts up...and then ill change it from there - to something ill
remember.  *but* it's not working - i have to know my old password in
order to change it!  *argh*

soooo - does anybody know how i do this?  been racking my brain for a
likely password - no luck so far.  any way i can change it wo know the
old one??

thanks in advance for any help - pls email me privately!

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if ya'll haven't yet check out the official cry cry cry website:
http://www.crycrycry.com

i got the cd a couple days ago from cdnow, and it's pretty good. i
have to say that richard shindell blows dar away though. their first
single is going to be "fall on me" an rem cover, and i thought that
was kind of weak, but most of the album is very beautifully done, and
it's worth it just to have "the ballad of mary magadeline"

their website says:
"there will be a national tour in december and january. the
songwriters whose tunes appear on the album will be invited to appear
as special guests on the tour, in a rotating basis from city to city.

it is not known if r.e.m. will accept the invitation."

*hugs*

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...as far as ebay goes, the trick here is knowing what you are bidding on  and
how much it's worth. it's just like going into antique store.....you gotta
know what the going price is and be able to stand back at say, "that's wayyyy
tooo much" for something like that! (such as the curve magazine). then again,
if you can't find something that you've been looking for for a long time,
perhaps some people are willing to pay a bit more just to get their hands on a
"collectable". i've found some neat ig stuff there on ebay and i didn't have
to pay an arm and a leg for it either. and......i've gone overboard once or
twice on things that i *know* are going to be impossible for me to find. it
just requires a little research and less impulse buying.

some of the cd singles that they call "rare"  (and don't be sucked in by that
word, it's used a lot on ebay)  are still floating around. example, least
complicated. it's on ebay going for who knows what. i've found that single and
others at a used record store in my hometown for .99 cents. you've just gotta
look for them, which is half the fun!  :)  and if you live in a little podunk
town like i do now and you don't have those type of resources, i.e...used
record store.... then you might be willing to pay a little more or place high
bids on ebay to get that ig item that you want. i wait until i go to my
hometown and then i make a b-line to the used record store. i have that
luxury, some people don't unfortunately.

people on ebay want to make money. it's an auction house and that's it's
purpose. personally, if i have an extra ig item i'm gonna post it the this
list or the aol ig board and offer it as a trade or maybe just give it up for
free to the first person that emails me. that give me more joy in sharing with
someone that doesn't have such an item than making money. hopefully they won't
turn aaround and sell it for profit though

so keep looking and do your homework. most ig cd singles that i've found are
in the "i" section tucked away far from where they sell all their current full
length cd's. they are usually "promo's". know what things are going for before
you place a bid. ebay is a good thing, it's fun and i use it often for a
variety of things that i collect.

good luck hunting!  :)
dw

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*sigh*
  this discussion reminds me of something i read in the boston globe after the
mtv video music awards this year.  the reporter mentioned green day had won or
been nominated for best alternative video for their recent big song "good
ridence" (or whatever...i'm sort of tired), and then said he thought this was
stupid because it wasn't *alternative*, it was *folk*, and mtv was just scared
to have a folk category, even though the need is starting to develop.  i found
that interesting.  and now people are saying indigo girls is alternative.  ig
is clearly folk rock, and calling them alternative is just stupid.
alternative is like early smashing pumpkins, not closer to fine.

in a message dated 98-10-24 14:24:08 edt, alisa greenberg writes:

<<  but come on, all...who on the list honestly wants the indigo girls to get
"popular?"  sure, it's nice to hear them on the radio once in a while, and
the first couple times i did (when bmhawk came out) i was beyond excited.
but then the actuality sunk in.  <snip> the specialness is leaving,
my friends, and i for one am not very happy to see it go.  i am all for ig
to reach more people and get more of a following, but let that following be
the tried and true fans, like us, who honestly and truly love their
music...all of their music.  now, i do not mean to be exclusionary or elite
in any wy... >>

you want to know what?  the casual fans will come and go, and the real fans
won't.  who cares if someone gets excited enough to buy an ig album?  let
them.  i don't understand why people are afriad of it losing it's specialness.
it can't!  they're amy and emily!  it will always be special!

~ emb

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sorry if y'all have already talked about this, but i am curious to know:
what does it mean to you all to be closer to fine?

rae

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hey, clan:
       i was reading through the october issue of interview mag. and what
should appear on pg. 64?  no, sorry, not the girls, but a picture of ani
and dan bern, the title of the article being "can folk get off its high
horse?"  so of course i read on.  and i found this:  (note:  ig content
lies ahead)

   "this music [folk] comes in a rattling basket of styles....ani
difranco's hectoring confessionals and secret handshakes, all
orchestrated as a high concept celebration of authenticity and
autonomy........there are the indigo girls actually mixing sex, humor,
rhythm, and politics in a convincing manner with their hit "shame on
you".........

pretty cool, huh?  i thought you guys might enjoy that.  i did.

finding the indigo in strange places,
julie

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okay i have had this cd for a little over a year (i'm a newer fan, but my
obsession makes up for that i think *hee*)...in any case, i was listening
to the swamp ophelia disc today and i think it's the first time i have
actually been paying close enough attention to hear the music box at the
end of ttr...does anyone know what that is?  like is it ttr is music box
format, or is it some other song?  and has it been said why they put it
there?  this obsesse mins wants to know! :)

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---tchmefall@aol.com wrote:
>> ...as far as ebay goes, the trick here is knowing what you are
bidding on
---

that is really important, i have seen people pay insane ammounts of
money for tori amos things that cdnow sells for $5.
it's a lot harder with the ig because there are (as far as i know) no
sites telling us exactly what is avaliable or what it is worth. with
tori there is rmta and the collectables book. with ig i just try to go
by what i've seen things go for on ebay, and how much joe @ fortunate
ones sells them for.

if there is someone out there (like joe) who is a big time collector
and knows what these things should go for retail, then i wish they
would put up a site. i'd be willing to help!! because i can't find
anything like ig singles, promos, etc around here. usually not even in
new orleans! the only thing cd-wise that i have ever found was the
gotm promo single new for $1.99 at a store in no.

i think it's really difficult because when i see something like
"love's recovery promo" at ebay for $17.50 that seems high priced to
me, but it's not something that i can find around here...and i dunno,
maybe there's like 20 of these sitting in a used cd store for $5
somewhere. i think it's really kind of misleading and tricky for
people who like to collect ig because we really have nothing to help
us out on how rare something like that is and/or how much it is worth.

how many of us actually even know what ig collectables are avaliable??
sorry for a rather long post, but this is something that i've really
been thinking about lately. i think that we should all try to put
together something.

*hugs*

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hi! i am doing a oral presentation/report on ig and need to know
stereotypes of them and their music. i have consulted the faq already, but
am wondering if there is anything that any of you have personally heard or
that possibly aren't in the faq. please help!!!***
indigo hugs...
katy :)
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in a message dated 98-10-25 14:50:37 est, saliers__ray@yahoo.com writes:

<< it's a lot harder with the ig because there are (as far as i know) no
sites telling us exactly what is avaliable or what it is worth >>


i've seen several pricing guides in bookstores that cover various ig
collectables.  don't ask me the name of those books though, cause i found them
while looking for info on other performers.   i found them mainly in tower
books and barnes & nobles.
your local library could have some pricing guides as well.

btw, besides seeing what ebay and other places are selling stuff for, where
are you finding what collectables are worth?  are there sites on the net that
are actually pricing guides for various artists?  if so, could you pass on the
addy to them.

lynn   :-)    <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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yeah!!! i am listening to my favorite radio station's women in music show
(wyso from yellow springs, ohio, an npr station), and the dj just played
lisa germano's 'wood floors'!  it was cool to hear it on the radio.

last night anna, jill, and i went to see carrie newcomer play at the canal
street tavern in dayton.  there were quite a few rude drunk people
(right, jill? ;-) ), but the show was really good.  i guess she is getting
a larger fan base, because there were so many more people there last night
than there were when i saw her in berkeley this past summer.  i really
love carrie, but she is a bit too country for some people's tastes (i
guess while the indigo girls are folk/rock, carrie is folk/country, kind
of like emmylou harris).  but if you like that kind of stuff, go out and
buy "my father's only son" or "my true name" by carrie newcomer (her two
most recent releases).  and if she is going to be performing in a city
near you, go!

to all you berkeley/sf bay area people, i said to her "so i guess i'll see
you back at the feright next summer?" ;-)  hopefully...

back to my history paper...(jill and anna, i still haven't gotten to the
library, but i don't think i need to go anymore because i just called my
friend, and she's just going to copy the paragraph i needed to
get...yeah!!!)

love,
karen :-)

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hey folks,

i'm seeing some good comments on ebay and collectibles in general and i
thought i would offer a few small tidbits to help make your collecting
experience better. if you have any specific value questions, please feel
free to write. i will tell you what your collectibles normally sell for,
and how hard they are to get. due to my business being a small very
specialized service, some of my items are listed at higher prices than
they are normally found for, and i'll be happy to tell you that. the
main thing is to get good information out there so any negative
collecting experiences can be prevented. that being said, here's a few
thoughts...

a collectible is worth what it's worth to you. if you buy something for
$20 and it makes you very happy and then you find out someone thinks
it's really only 'worth' $10, should that make you unhappy? absolutely
not. if so, you should re-evaluate why you are collecting. i know that
if a clear vinyl original e.p. comes available, i'm going to buy it no
matter what and be happy with it no matter how much someone else tells
me i over paid for it.

for auctions, don't let your ego rule your wallet. it is common for
folks to get in bidding wars and end up hiking the price way above the
norm simply because they don't want to lose. if auctions are a
competition for you, and that makes you happy, then fine. but if you
normally aren't thinking of an auction as a competition, step back and
get a little distance..decide if you are bidding for the item or to beat
the other person. along same lines, if you decide you are bidding for
the item, is your desire for that item being fueled by having tunnel
vision...i've got to have it, i've got to have it. as with anything,
take a step back and a deep breath and get some perspective if you are
having any doubts.

as for value, you can't have too much information. if you are a new
collector and thinking, i don't have any information and don't know
where to get it..then you have a choice to make. from a conservative
point of view, i would say to not buy a collectible you were unsure
about because you've got two things working for you - 1. you have a
chance of paying too much for a collectible - 2. even if it's a good
deal and you pass, it will probably come along again. or if you are not
as conservative, figure out how much time you have to spare before
realistically losing your hold on that collectible and find out as much
as you can..this will at least give you a fighting chance of not paying
too much before you buy. watch out for impulse buys!

also figure out why the item holds value. this specifically pertains to
non-official stuff. an official promo release from epic records holds
value because it's from epic. a photograph by a private photographer
holds value only because of it's decorative worth or the name of the
photographer (limited edition print by someone that it matters if they
make a limited print). a dubbed tape of a concert holds the value of a
blank tape (yes you could probably sell it for more, but in any price
guide it would have no value) - same goes for a cd-r gold disc copy of
an epic collectible.


another important issue with value is condition. a $100 record with a
scratch that causes as skip on it is worth around $25-35. don't
hesistate to ask the seller about condition if buying over the net.
(don't hesitate to ask the seller any questions that will help you in
your decision)


a few other tips...

don't pass up a good deal! if you see a disc 'worth' $100 for $40..then
buy it even if you already have it. some people might not do this
because they don't know what they would do with 2 copies..but trading is
a great way to get new stuff. i have often traded folks $100 dollars of
stuff off my site for something they paid $10...it can really be a good
situation for both parties inolved.

buy in bulk if you can. i'm always happy to give a nice discount to
folks who buy a few things, or buy a lot of stuff over time. and used
stores can work on price! people don't often think that they can get
deals at record stores. in a mall store, the employees don't have the
power to give discounts, but at many independent stores, you can get $5
knocked off a cd if you ask. (again especially if you are buying a hand
full of discs).

put your name in at your local store. don't just walk in, check the i
section and walk out. ask the person if anything has come in...and ask
again and again when you come in. it just takes 5 seconds and soon the
person will be telling you if stuff came in even before you ask..and if
things go well, they might even keep stuff back for you. i have several
dealers/stores around the country that know to call if they get
anything. this also helps because it causes people to keep an eye out
for things. the dealer/store owner could be at a record show or out
buying stock and see something cool by the girls that he/she normally
might not pick up, but they do because they know you'll want it.

find out where indigo girls collectibles hide. the club r $ r allman
brothers/indigo girls disc often gets stuck in the allman brothers
section because they have been around longer. there are also lots of
various artists promos with the girls that are worth a good amount.


a few tips for enjoying your collecting more....

find a collecting buddy. i love my network of collector friends whom
regularly share new finds/stories with. having folks to talk collecting
with makes it tons more fun.

know what you have to spend. don't make your collectibles a weight on
your shoulders because you spent too much on them and it's causing you
stress.

specialize your collecting. if you are overwhelmed by the amount of
stuff that's out there..pick a few certain things to collect. maybe you
only want things with live/unreleased tracks, or maybe only vinyl, or
maybe you want to get all the cd singles. this will give you a more
manageable task.

so those are a few ideas off the top of my head. collecting indigo girls
stuff is a great way to enhance your indigo girls experience and it can
bring you lots of joy. i have an unmoderated collectibles forum set up
on my site where you can post anything and everything you want dealing
with collectibles. feel free to use it to set up trades, sell your
items, ask questions, complain, praise..anything.

we are fortunate ones,
joe

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date:         sat, 24 oct 1998 19:20:30 edt
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hkf's

        can someone send me deb reisers web address for the ig's touring schedule,
por favor?  in lieu of that can anyone send me info on the girls touring
schedule and info on recording their latest album?

thanks y'all~
tony da chickenman (on a friend's email addy)

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on sat, 24 oct 1998 verdi@imap2.asu.edu wrote:

>
>         i'm looking for a really excellent sound quality boot of some of ani's
> new stuff. the two songs i'm particularly intrested in are "providence" and
> "tis of thee".
>      i tried e-mailing some ani fans but noone wants to trade for ig stuff!
>
> thanks alot,
> ben
>
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hey ya'll!
i have to write a paper in english comp on a subject that is of
global/national importance along with a call for action..i can't think
of anything that would be more important than the chiapas/zapatista
situation! i know that there have been articles people sent to the
list in the past, does anyone have these saved or know where they are
that could send them to me?? i really need them!!
also the nana site doesn't have anything on it as very recent..just
things from august..does anyone know what the situation is right now?
any help ya'll can give me is appreciated!! thanks a lot!!!

*hugs*

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whomever is ordering list t-shirts, please, email me privately asap.
thanks!
lynn

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i believe it's chopin, which someone posted was also banned bythe nazi's in
the war. i think the writing potential of amy shines, because there are soo
many layers of information in the song. it's a musical thesis with all of
the allusions to holocaust history.

the promo cassette that came out before the album *doesn't have* the music
box parts on it...

someone who is rather leery of online auctions (if youre gonna sell it - set
a price - don't make me bid! grrr...)

thrilled to find out bbc *doesn't b'cast on the web* exactly five minutes
before a rem concert was scheduled to begin. radio one to be exact (but i
did find a program that allows one to download streaming concerts and also
converts from real audio to wav.) i am not sold on how well they work so
wait a bit and i will post a review.
mike r.

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if you have cable, chastity bono is being interviewed on some cable chanel
that calls itslef msnbc. i'm a cable virgin and am not sure if that has any
meaning to anyone, but if you want to see the interview its on now. (now
being 7:45 in the midwest)

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>the casual fans will come and go, and the real fans won't.

and you know, sulli knows who the real and dedicated peeps are... she
does nice little favors for us :) cause she's all good like that.  why,
land sakes, belle-ruth, just this past august in cincinnati she pelted
karen and i with over a half dozen picks!  (too bad i was too busy
shouting at the bogart's clean-up crew, "i'm from cleveland!  i lost my
wallet!" to notice). and setlists too. gotta toss that in.  whatta dear.
what a doll.  sulli's my laaaaady godiiiiiiva ;).

<batting eyelashes>
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audra wrote:

<<okay i have had this cd for a little over a year (i'm a newer fan, but my
obsession makes up for that i think *hee*)...in any case, i was listening
to the swamp ophelia disc today and i think it's the first time i have
actually been paying close enough attention to hear the music box at the
end of ttr...does anyone know what that is?  like is it ttr is music box
format, or is it some other song?  and has it been said why they put it
there?  this obsesse mins wants to know! :)>>

from the faq, which can be found at http://www.users.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig/ :

<<14.13. what is the music box playing at the end of "this train
        revised"?

if you listen closely, you can hear the sound of the music box
winding several seconds after the song itself ends.  the tune that
the music box plays is "nocturne in e-flat" by frederick chopin.>>

audra, you have to read the faq...it answers lots & lots of frequently
asked questions! ;)

andi

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date:         sun, 25 oct 1998 19:36:26 pst
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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just had to share!

okay, i am so sure this is a joke from one of my little cyber-chickies.
but i'm freaking nonetheless.  good lord.  okay, this is a joke.  this
is like rebecca wigging me out.

so why are my palms sweating?

dang you guys! ;)  tell me tell me now *who* did this??!??!
pretty good, i must admit.  heh.


>from: "thalia zedek" <nope, sorry, i ain't givin the addy-- jills>
>to: jillyc@hotmail.com
>subject: hi
>date: sun, 25 oct 1998 19:29:51 pst
>
>hey, i hear you're my #1 fan in cleveland.  people keep coming up to me
>after shows and giving me messages from you, so last night i asked for
>your name or something.  this girl gives me your email address, too.
>
>thank you for your support, and i hope to see you at our shows.
>
>thalia
>
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currently only vh-1 is their show "behind the music" featuring lilith fair.
sunday, 11 pm (eastern).

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my apologies for the confusion my ill-stated message caused.

i would like the individual who is in charge of this whole list t=shirt thing
to email me asap.  thanks.

for those of your who emailed me wondering what's up with the t-shirts,
nothing, i just wrote a bad email confusing everyone.
lynn

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dear friends,
or more specifically
dear bar corrice, dear karen rosebloom, dear tony & leigh ann, dear
babs, dear jilly, dear whoever else it concerns.

for reasons known to the above persons and probably many more, i am
leaving this list.
i would never in my life believe that a group of friends, yes the
people i just named were supposedly my friends, a group of indigo
lovers could do such a thing.
the indigo girls stand for a lot of things and slander, making fun of
people for differences, and pure hatred are not something the indigo
girls have ever or will ever stood for. this list has been one of the
best things that has ever happened to me, i love all of you, and i
thought that all of you were worthy of that love but i was wrong.

i am leaving this list, and i do not know if i will ever stand to come
back, knowing that i am on a list with people who are capable of doing
the things that you have done that you continue to do.
i know ya'll probably do not give a damn because it is obvious that if
you did, you would not be doing what you do.

why not go to egroups and make a list making fun of me? that should
give you plenty of bandwith to vent and make fun of me behind my back,
or better yet if you have the guts, email me and tell me what  you
think of me to my face. i guess it's so much easier to play the angels
to the list, and then turn around and say what you will to each other.

my appologies to the people who are looking at this and saying what?
if you want to know it's easy
go to http://www.egroups.com and join a list called missylist.
and see how what these people have done to a person they do not even
know. you have to be a member though, or you can't see what they have
written.

better yet login with the login i used mellie6@goplay.com password is
amyray
better hurry before leigh ann kicks my membership the list. wouldn't
want anyone to find out what all of you are really like

i am sickened.
just sickened.

*crying*
stacey aldridge
otherwise known as lamia
who is no longer a member of this list


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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 05:03:13 gmt
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to the list owner-

i had some free time tonight so when i saw lamia's message i looked
into it.  i've been on a lot of email lists, seen a lot of flame wars
and just plain nasty behavior; but i've never seen anything this
immature, hateful and repulsive.  these people don't belong on a list
with anyone but themselves.  i don't even know the person in question,
haven't been around the list that long, but i'm appalled that people
who go on and on about hate crimes and acceptance and tolerance can be
this cruel.

i don't know if there is a specific policy that they've violated, but
i am requesting that they be removed from this list.

cyndi

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 00:23:34 -0400
reply-to:     alisa greenberg <agreenb1@swarthmore.edu>
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i second the notion.  i too logged on and read some of their past
posts...offensive and completely away from the spirit of this list.
alisa


>to the list owner-
>
>i had some free time tonight so when i saw lamia's message i looked
>into it.  i've been on a lot of email lists, seen a lot of flame wars
>and just plain nasty behavior; but i've never seen anything this
>immature, hateful and repulsive.  these people don't belong on a list
>with anyone but themselves.  i don't even know the person in question,
>haven't been around the list that long, but i'm appalled that people
>who go on and on about hate crimes and acceptance and tolerance can be
>this cruel.
>
>i don't know if there is a specific policy that they've violated, but
>i am requesting that they be removed from this list.
>
>cyndi

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 01:01:12 est
reply-to:     gitroop@aol.com
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i am not sure what in sam's hell is going on here, i tried to log-in to this
"list", but it did not work for me.   whatever is going on, why dont you just
share with the rest of us.  come on, i dont know who you are, nor do i care,
but email the list, and fill us in... in your words, in your time.  we are
giving you the chance, whoever you are.  speak the hell up.  thank you.  i
think we all and missy too deserve the chance to hear the story.
trooper

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date:         sun, 25 oct 1998 22:58:32 pst
reply-to:     diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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off the top of my head, "closer to fine", this song means this to me:
life is not fair, and it is confusing and stressful.  but no matter
what, i have the love of my friends and family to carry me through and
to help me stick to the simplicity of life, instead of getting all
tangled up.  and even if they are not around, i have peace and inner
self-worth to just throw it to the wind, or let it be.

to other people, i describe ig as contemporary folk rock.  a modern-rock
station in l.a., plays ig when they have a new album out.

thanks, cyndi, for the info on 4.5, and also to the list members, who
provided info on ebay and collectibles.

diane

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reply-to:     i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
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        i've discovered a new radio station i like here in los angeles
(there's a first).  it's "the new 103.1," and the format is supposed to
be "adult alternative" or something like that.  (i'm happy.  this is
the first radio station i've heard that plays more than one tori amos
song.)  anyway, about three minutes ago they were having a commercial for
the station (which is at this moment playing the new sheryl crow song)
and right after the "this is world class rock" blurb, i hear nothing
other than "get out the map, get out the map and lay your finger anywhere
down!"
        now . . . *this* is a radio station i can like.  :)  i've heard
tori, sheryl, melissa etheridge, goo goo dolls, don henley, *all* kinds
of classic and modern rock, and they play ig too.  i'm happy.  :)
        only drawback is, the station only picks up decently in some
parts of orange county and westside l.a.  fortunately, i live on the
westside.

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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date:         sun, 25 oct 1998 22:10:17 -0800
reply-to:     ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
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well it seems every message has now been blown away so those of us who are
concerned that a list member could be in so much pain at the hands of other
list members will no longer be able to find out the true story.  lamia, if
you are still on the list, there are those of us who care. or perhaps those
accused could step up and tell us what the hell is going on.

ryan


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in a message dated 10/26/98 0:18:50 am pst, opihf writes:

<< helo everyone...
just a note to thank everyone for all of their kind wishes, since i posted
about my mother's illness.  it helped a lot to come home to kind words.
sadly, my mother died on thursday, and i am trying to adjust tot that.  we
will be having the memorial service on friday, and i am trying to find a way
to include some songs that have meaning to me in the music that is played
before the sevice begins.  i think virginia woolf and galileo may end up in
there.  anyway, i guess i just felt like i wanted to tell you.
      to throw in  a bit more igc, i went to see mary chapin and catie curtis
on saturday, and mcc commented on how the last time she'd been in that
particular theatre, she'd sung with joan baez and the girls.  she talked about
how much fun she'd had.  i agree, since i was there and it was awesome.
      anyway, sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but i felt the need.

peace,
alison >>


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helo everyone...
just a note to thank everyone for all of their kind wishes, since i posted
about my mother's illness.  it helped a lot to come home to kind words.
sadly, my mother died on thursday, and i am trying to adjust tot that.  we
will be having the memorial service on friday, and i am trying to find a way
to include some songs that have meaning to me in the music that is played
before the sevice begins.  i think virginia woolf and galileo may end up in
there.  anyway, i guess i just felt like i wanted to tell you.
     to throw in  a bit more igc, i went to see mary chapin and catie curtis
on saturday, and mcc commented on how the last time she'd been in that
particular theatre, she'd sung with joan baez and the girls.  she talked about
how much fun she'd had.  i agree, since i was there and it was awesome.
     anyway, sorry for the waste of bandwidth, but i felt the need.

peace,
alison

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 03:28:07 est
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lamia said she was leaving the list and then stated her reasons.
can we express our opinions about the incident to those involved and lamia in
private emails?  this appears to be a personal matter.  let's avoid indigo
list war no. ???
lynn

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leaving the list too.....
too much flaming on this!
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danny=20

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did i miss a post or something?!  what is going on?  what's all this talk
about leaving and who is leaving?   could someone please e-mail me privately
and fill me in?

lynn

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 01:01:33 -0800
reply-to:     i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
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        heh . . . and about an hour later, guess which song is now
playing on my radio . . .  ;)  *bounce*

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
__sgb29641@csun.edu_________________________http://www.wcat.com/~eponine__
"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 01:45:36 -0800
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hi all....sorry if this has already come up, but i'm on the digest and eally
really behind at the moment...amyray my friend katy got unsubbed from the
list and she can't get back on for some reason, so she wanted me to find out
if the subbing adress been changed? thanx mucho,
bron
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bullshit they hear all day long,the minute we put words of anger in our
vocabulary,it's seen as the whole picture.*ani difranco

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 07:22:30 +0000
reply-to:     j lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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from:         j lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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        good morning all...

        while i'm not entirely certain what went on last night with sub-lists and
all, please remember that the list is not a place for a public flame
war...whether people believe it is justified or not.  so if you would like
to discuss this issue, take it to private email.

        thanks.

                jen

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 08:52:20 -0500
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don't we all?  we're so silly everyday.

-- heidi

(for some dumb reason, i always look in the ig section like
they'll put out a new cd without me knowing about it or something)

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 07:07:36 -0800
reply-to:     pretty silver grrrl <saliers__ray@yahoo.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         pretty silver grrrl <saliers__ray@yahoo.com>
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never let it be said that lamia thought before she reacted *l*
i haven't read the 70 emails that i have received during the night and
will not until i get back from english but i wanted to take this
oppertunity to say:

last night i was so saddened, angry and disgusted that i sent my
feelings to the whole list. out of respect for missy and the other
listees discussed on this other list, i should not have posted what i
did. i would like to apologize 700+ listees who had no idea what i was
ranting about. this is something that i should have resolved in
private email with the parties involved, and not have thrown it to the
list.

*hugs*

lamia


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i will not stay still, stay silent,
be good, be modest, be seen and not heard, no!...
a precise emotion seeks a precise expression.
if what i feel is not precise then should i call it love?"
--jeanette winterson, writen on the body

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 11:56:17 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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from:         "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
subject:      flames or not - i want my listmail.
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hey - what is going on with the list?  i log on this morning and get
bits and pieces of a conflict that went on last night between majorly
participating listees and it seems many messages were lost.  you can't
just post something like that and then not fill us in.  that's like
saying, "i've got a secret" and then not telling.  i'm sure it shouldn't
have been my business, but once that first post was sent from lamia, it
became my business and i wanna know dammit!  someone please fill us all
in.

-tara
....who really isn't a gossip-monger....she just hates loose ends....

tara lane
********
in clover - an awesome band!
http://www.onsitenet.net/inclover
telane@trigon.com

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 10:06:41 -0700
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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from:         "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
subject:      re: whoever is ordering list t-shirts
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on sun, 25 oct 1998 chance0631@aol.com wrote:

> whomever is ordering list t-shirts, please, email me privately asap.
> thanks!
> lynn
>
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um...i'm ordering a list t-shirt. is that all you need to know???

amy m.

**boycott westboro baptist "church" and "reverend" phelps.
**they no longer exist. no attention=no power.
**spread the word.

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"to be nobody but myself-in a world which is doing its best, night and
day, to make you everybody else-means to fight the hardest battle which
any human being can fight, and never stop fighting."

                                -e.e. cummings
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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 12:04:20 -0600
reply-to:     sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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from:         sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
subject:      mystery songs
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someone sent me a copy of the beacon 1990 show in exchange for my
amy/cooper tape.  it was recorded on a sony 120 minute tape with a slide
case.  first of all, thanks.  secondly, there are two non-ig songs at the
end that i don't know anything about.  if you could email me privately and
enlighten me, i'd appreciate it.  thanks!

---------------------------
sheryl jones / sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
cooper seay page:
<http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/cooper/cooper.htm>
boot page: <http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/boots.htm>

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 16:18:46 est
reply-to:     memememi@aol.com
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from:         memememi@aol.com
subject:      nigc:  news about nyc protest
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this was sent to my friend by minnie bruce pratt & leslie feinberg.  they were
involved in organizing the massive spontaneous nyc demonstration against
homophobia sparked by matthew shepard's murder. since the news is not actually
getting out about about this demonstration, they have asked everyone to spread
the word electronically.    she asked that i post this, because there are
probably a lot of people on the list who might be interested. i sent you the
urls for the stories, instead of putting them in this e-mail, so it isn't too
long.

please share this information widely. inform your local newspapers.
write letters. make phone calls. stop the hate.

thanks so much!
lisa

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please re-post this to your friends in the l/g/b/t communities and to
straight allies. the national mainstream news did not cover this
historic demonstration, and people all over the u.s. have been
contacting nyc asking for informaiton.

on the evening of oct. 19, 1998, in new york city, a political funeral
for matthew shepherd became what some are calling a second stonewall.
5000 people gathered for a march down 5th avenue; organizers had
expected 500. nyc police went to brutal lengths to try to stop the
march, including mounted police assaulting demonstrators with their
horses.

120 people representing three generations of queer activists were
arrested, including sylvia rivera, latina drag queen who was a combatant
at the first stonewall rebellion in 1969; leslie feinberg, transgender
activist and author; minnie bruce pratt, lesbian poet and white
anti-racist activist; and most of the young lesbians and gay men who
were the organizers, legal observers, and marshals for the march.

young queer activists, many of whom were wearing purple ribbons in
protest of violence against queer youth, were particularly targeted by
the police. they also provided militant spirit for the marchers, who
battled police in the streets for two hours, and won, against hundreds
of cops in full riot gear who had been called in from all five ny
boroughs.

the march, estimated by some as including 8,000 people at its height,
successfully reached madison square park, its original destination.
marchers held a speakout, some climbing lampposts to address the crowd.
many carried signs that said fight back, and referred both to matt
shepherd's death and to james byrd, the african-american man lynched in
jasper, texas. many spoke movingly about the need to unite the l/g/b/t
movement with other movements, including those against racist violence
and police brutality.

for news stories about this rebellion, go to www.transgenderwarrior.org
or www.mbpratt.org

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 18:21:14 est
reply-to:     tcheehill@aol.com
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good thread.

closer to fine.  there's no need to analyze everything...especially yourself.
just live and let live.

-chee

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 18:21:29 -0800
reply-to:     melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
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----------
> from: melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netscape.org
> subject: fw: i'm sorry
> date: monday, october 26, 1998 6:16 pm
>
> this was forward to me annyonmously. i want to know what i have done to
> anyone on this list to receive more hate. haven't i had enough pain in my
> life. i have been abused enough and i do not need this. i am a person. i
> have feelings and i am being to think my life doesn't matter to anyone.
so
> why do i not take a bottle of pills and save anyone the trouble. you
laugh
> at me before you walked in my shoes and you do not know what i have went
> through. only i know and it is hard to go alone, because everyone hates
you
> and you have no friends and to find out a hate list was made against you
> has made me one step closer to suicide. you all win. i will die. missy
>
> ----------
> > from: saddened <saddened@goplay.com>
> > to: msinghaus@msmisp.com
> > subject: i'm sorry
> > date: sunday, october 25, 1998 8:09 pm
> >
> > dear missy
> > there is a list of indigo girls listees
> > missylist@egroups.com
> > i joined them just to get the proof
> > it is an anit-missy, non-fanclub
> > these people are laughing at you behind your back
> > i'm going to get them kicked off the indigo girls list
> > some of us like you
> > be careful who you talk to here is my proof:
> >
> > by anna-michelle stonecipher @hotmail.com tuesday
> > september 15, 1998
> > 05:31 pm pst
> >
> >
> > okay, here it is: the latest from my little fake e-fling with
> > missy...i made the fake hotmail addy lesbianwoma-@hotmail.com because
> > i thought it wold cathch hre eye. missy
> >
> > (oh, boy, and is it ever workin'! she's takin' the bait!)
> >
> >   from: msinghau-@msmisp.com (melissa singhaus)
> > to: <lesbianwoma-@hotmail.com>
> > subject: more about me
> > date: tue, 15 sep 1998 11:57:49 -0700
> > well besides writing poetry and playing on my computer. sometime take
> > time out to read curve or out, but not the advocate since they keep
> > messing up my subscription and i end up not getting any. i also read
> > my country magazines as well. if i am not making tape copies of
> > concerts on my cd player i listen to my cds. recently i have been
> > listening to my three new ones. so far i haven't listened to them all
> > yet. today i ran to the store for mom to pick up lady and the tramp
> > since it was her favorite movie. she will probley watch it this
> > evening. i thought they were charging way to much for it, but i guess
> > they know people will pay it since disney doesn't keep their tapes on
> > the shelf forever. so i love shopping. i rather go to a festival to
> > shop or a concert and listen to music. i guess you can say i like
> > things out doors or indoors to shop. i love animals. i guess you can
> > say my favorite ones are cats and bunnies. i have a cat right now
> > named angel she is adorable and i have a bunny named oreo. i rather
> > be on my computer learning new things then working at a job that
> > treats me as fragile since i had surgery in nov. but i put up with it
> > until i find something better. i collect old fashioned pencil
> > sharpeners. i have like about 60 now. i am looking for the old
> > fashioned printing press. i broke the handle off mine by pushing to
> > hard thinking it was stuck turned out to be needing oil. i also have
> > a battery operated coca cola pencil sharpener. i am looking fr a
> > pepsi one. besides pencil sharpeners i have some indian ceramics and
> > dolls and beanie babies. i collect some coins and the chicken soup
> > books. i have a lot more to get and i am a big collector in concert
> > tapes and cds. i have like 500 or more of cds now. well i need to go.
> > missy
> >
> > missy be careful
> > there are people on this list, and lots of them it makes me sick
> > these are the names of the members of the list:
> >
> > tony&leeanne junebug@aneis.com
> > babs indigobabs@aol.com
> > karen rosebloom
> > bar corrice
> >
> > and many many more
> >
> > i'm sorry
> >
> > a friend
> > ....

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 18:47:53 -0500
reply-to:     karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
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from:         karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
subject:      re: fw: i'm sorry
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missy,

snap out of your funk girl!  these people are cyber idiots.  if they don't have
the nads to say something to your face, and have the time to create a hate
list, that says something is sick about them, not you.  i am saddened and
ashamed of the people i recognized that are on this "list".  apparently they
have little or no life.

this is the wwweb.  people hide behind cyber personalities, pretend they are
something they are not, and their sole goal is to make everyone as miserable as
they are.

to all you people on this "list" who have pretended to be friends with me:
stick it up your ass.  no human being deserves to be treated like this.  grow
up, you are assholes.

missy, i'm here if you need support.  these pests are not worth your life.

love,  karen

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 18:52:09 -0500
reply-to:     karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
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to:

tony and leanne
babs,
karen
bar

and whoever else participates in this sick shit.  which one of you is
the sick pup debs?

i'm ashamed and sick for your actions.  you deserve whatever horrible
things happen to you, as whatever goes around comes around.

ps:  to the list monitor, throw me the fuck off if you want.  i'm
ashamed to be a part of this group.

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 19:13:48 est
reply-to:     ndigogrls@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "<leslie c.>" <ndigogrls@aol.com>
subject:      spirit of the list
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"everybody loves a hero, an image to create, antithesis of everything inside
ourselves we hate, but you'd better close your eyes when it's time for them to
die, because you'd hate to think the life you'd built upon them was a
lie....... but it comes to mind as you blaze on as brilliant as a star, how
many you've left behind, how many casualties there are"
emily saliers

i truly hope the spirit of indigo girls music is not lost on this list just
because of the cruel behavior of a few.  maybe people will think a moment
before putting their fingers to the keyboard.  mathew sheppard lost his life
because some thought being gay was not ok.  let's not kill the spirit of
someone you meet - in person or on the list - because they seem different.
try walking a mile in their shoes.

"if you hear the song we sing you will understand. you hold the key to love
and fear in your trembling hand. just one key unlocks them both it's there at
your command. c'mon people now smile on your brother ev'rybody get together
try to love one another right now"
chet powers


leslie

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 00:31:37 gmt
reply-to:     cyndi miller <cyndi@together.net>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         cyndi miller <cyndi@together.net>
subject:      re: fw: i'm sorry
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missy-

i know you don't know me, and i haven't been on this list long enough
to know you, but i know you are a much better person in all the ways
that matter than any of those who were on that "other" list.
unfortunately some people are just deep down ugly.  i'm really sorry
that they decided it would be fun to play games with you.  reminds me
of the creeps who thought they were justified in beating matthew
shepard because he was different.
if you want to talk, need someone to listen, whatever, i'd be happy to
listen anytime.

sending hugs if you want them-

cyndi

ps - to those who have asked for more information, i don't think it's
necessary or relevant to exhibit any more of their venom.  i have
offered copies of posts to the list owner if she feels it will help
her make a decision, but don't feel sharing them with others would do
any good.  if you're truly concerned offer missy support, sounds like
she could use it right now.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
maybe i'll live my whole life just trying to get by
maybe i'll be discovered, maybe i'll be colonized
you can try to train me like a pet ~ you can try to teach me to behave
but i'll tell you, if i haven't learned it yet
i ain't gonna sit, i ain't gonna stay
                         ani difranco

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 19:57:37 -0500
reply-to:     sb <sharonb@geocities.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sb <sharonb@geocities.com>
subject:      re: what the f*ck is wrong with you people
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yes i changed the word in the topic...=)

i just wanted to say that 1)  i have no clue what happened, 2) i am really
really sorry to the people that it hurt, and 3)  i hope you don't think
that everyone on this list is as mean and hateful as those select few.
because i know for a fact that not everyone is.  in fact, it kind of
upsets me because i had no part of it, yet i feel like i now have people
resenting me just because i'm on this list.  i'm really sorry that you
feel this way.

as karen wrote:
>ps:  to the list monitor, throw me the f*ck off if you want.
>i'm ashamed to be a part of this group.

i'm really sorry you feel this way.  those of us who had nothing at all to
do with it (whatever it is) really feel bad and sorry that you are ashamed
to be a part of a listserv with us just because of what a few people did.

love,
sharon (who is hoping and praying that no one is hurt so bad that they'd
do anything tragic...)

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 20:06:30 est
reply-to:     apthree@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "arin m. palmer" <apthree@aol.com>
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hello y'all,

missy asked me to tell you about a new list she has created.  it is at one
list, which can be accessed by going to www.onelist.com. and it is called
trueindigogirlfan.  so if you want to join go look it up.  i know missy would
appreciate it.  i hope you all have a great day.

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 20:04:56 +0000
reply-to:     j lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         j lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
subject:      that's enough...
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        okay folks...

        this list is not the proper place for a public venting of opinions,
feelings or sides of the missy sub-list debate.  by all means, take sides,
yell and fill up email boxes...
        but take it to private email.
        i know a great many of you are angry; direct your anger to the proper
parties. do not use this list as a public forum for venting against
people's off-list behavior.
        do not destroy this list because of the off-list behavior of a few people.

                        jen

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 20:08:56 -0500
reply-to:     karen frey <karenfrey@redrose.net>
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i have subbed here for over a year.  most of you oldtimers know me.
know my love for the girls.  alot of us have met each other, karen,
alison, jill, anyone else i forgot.  i know that what was done to missy
was not a list wide thing, just a select few.  i don't want to know
anymore names.  i've been devastated by the names on the hate list, as i
thought of them as friends, fellow ig lovers, peace lovers.

now it has been pointed out to me that bar was subbed to this list by
someone else, and she removed herself asap.  i am going to take her word
for it because i have known and cared about her for some time.  bar,
please accept my apology for my "what the f*ck is wrong with you".

however, i have been victimized in cyberspace.  i won't go into details
and bore the hell out of you, but lets say it was to the tune of
approximately 17,000 dollars, almost wrecked my family (which is far
more important than any dollar amount) devastated my husband, put my
kids in therapy, and i've been treated for depression for the last 4
years since it happened.  there are evil people on the web.

do not be naive.  trust as much as you dare.  but remember, real life is
what counts.  we are all ig fans and in that i find hope for everyone.

missy:  i love you.

karen

ps:  bar i love you too.  i'm sorry

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 21:47:46 est
reply-to:     indilint@aol.com
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from:         karmen ford <indilint@aol.com>
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ok, so i've been an ig fan for about 4 years now, but have never heard strange
fire (the album).  i can't quite explain it, it's one of those things that i
just never purchased, you know?  there was always a cd i wanted more, or i
didn't have enough money.  so after an extremely hard week (which is funny,
since it's only monday) that is promising to get worse, i decided i needed a
treat. so i went into the byu bookstore and started looking at cds.  and there
was a copy of strange fire, for $11.97.  so i said, what the heck, and bought
it.  then i proceeded to get a raspberry slurpee (they're very good by the
way, like cherry with a kick) and went into my room and put the cd on.  i was
floored!  it was wonderful!

the only three songs i really knew on the cd were strange fire, i don't wanna
know, and land of canaan (by the way, i *do* love amy's growl on this song,
but i miss the live quality of 1200c).  but everything just seemed to clicked
and make sense.  it all worked.  i'm not sure its my favorite ig album, but
i'm seeing it starting to grow on me as we speak.

just wanted to share!

love you all
kar

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 22:10:37 -0500
reply-to:     roger zender <rzender@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
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from:         roger zender <rzender@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
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hey everyone,

   i'm sorry to sound like the dope showing up halfway in a conversation
and ask what's going on, but with my new job **woo hoo**  i haven't been
able to keep up on the list.  but i remember someone sending out an order
form for the list t's.  i'm *extremely* interested, and was wondering if
it's not too late, if i could still get in on this.  please let me know.

also, if you reply to this on the list, could you please send me a
personal copy as well, just to make sure i don't miss this!

thanks so much!
roger

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by deserting their ideals.  years may wrinkle this skin, but to give up
interest wrinkles the soul.            - d. m.
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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 19:49:37 pst
reply-to:     lucy bull <igae@hotmail.com>
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a show (titled "alive") next sunday night at the basement in sydney has
been organised to raise money and attention on the kakadu national
park/jabiluka issue. performing on the night will be jazz muso vince
jones and peter garrett from midnight oil.

the ig are part of a big bunch of people who are sponsoring the event -
others include wendy matthews, jenny morris, mambo and the panel....the
ig are the only international sponsors. the night will also include a
charity auction (perhaps some ig collectibles on offer?).

i will be out of town this weekend so i can't go, but if there are any
other ig mailing listees who are going, it would be great to hear about
it.

if anyone else wants to find out more about kakadu/jabiluka, and how the
aust. government is screwing up the lives of the indigenous mirrar
people, the following are useful websites:

http://www.green.net.au/gundjehmi/

http://avoca.vicnet.net.au/~seaus/jabiluka/jabiluka.html

"keeping the spirit of kakadu alive"

peace, lb


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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 22:51:51 -0800
reply-to:     melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
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from:         melissa singhaus <msinghaus@msmisp.com>
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my mom calmed me down and i thank her for that. i did not drop the list. i
just wanted to stay quiet for awhile. no bodys tapes are finished i haven't
had the time. i am sorry for the delay. i also have a trueindigogirlsfan
list in onelist. go check it out. i am a head player my self, but not to
the suspense of anyone on my list. mine is in a different way and i rather
not explain what i do, but to say it isn't to this list or any i own. it is
something i do on the net. nothing to do with e-mail. i forgave all who did
it. from one player to the next it is kind of funny to get beaten at my own
game, but frustrating as well. i have to go. missy

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 21:06:19 -0700
reply-to:     "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
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from:         "amy m." <indigrrl@selway.umt.edu>
subject:      ig newsletter
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has anyone received an ig newsletter and updated merchandise order form
lately? if not, does that mean i have to write to rcam and hope they send
me one in time to buy my friend her x-mas present? i want to buy her a
hat, but i don't think i have any old order forms and i don't want to do
it over the 'net.

let me know, privately of course.

thanks,
amy m.

**boycott westboro baptist "church" and "reverend" phelps.
**they no longer exist. no attention=no power.
**spread the word.

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any human being can fight, and never stop fighting."

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 08:55:11 +0800
reply-to:     ian carandang <bluefur@pacific.net.ph>
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i would publicly like to give melissa my support as well.

i do not claim to know all the facts, nor do i think i want to......from
what i know it seems to be a horrible tale of cruelty, deception, and sheer
ugliness on the part of certain people. but assuming what has been said is
true, i want state that i am firmly behind missy.

i myself have an extremely close friend based on the net, and it's sick,
abusive people like this that make people look at the web with distrust,
when it comes to fostering meaningful relationships. this hits closer to
home than i would like.

i have often considered leaving the list, seeing as most of the people i
know best from it have either left or stepped down (lynda & sherlyn) and due
to the sheer tawdriness of this current thread. but that feels like letting
them win, somehow. if anyone leaves this list, it should be them.

(aside to jen- if what they have done is not cause for eviction from the
list, then i don't know what is.)

to the people hit by this: flame away. i have my delete key ready and
waiting, and i know who you are.

sincerely,
ian c.
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make sure you make lots of mistakes.
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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 23:40:10 est
reply-to:     kayetea@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         katy lynne ashton <kayetea@aol.com>
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alright, a few things.. i'll make it quick

1) i figured out my little problem with resubscribing. sorry for posting that
to the whole list and thanks to those who replied.

2) i heard that i missed a thread over which version of loc was better... i
just have to say that i like the version on the self titled cd the best
because, i think it's at 3:38 in the song, pretty near the end amy sings, "ohh
ohh babe.." kinda quiet between verses. i just think it's the cutest thing!

3) also, i don't know what all this stuff is about with missy and mean listees
but let me just say that.. missy kicks ass!

4) i'm reading the new wally lamb book (author of she's some undone), it's
called i know this much is true it's really good! anyway, kinda near the
beginning it's mentions ig. the sane twin's ex wife has an ig cassette in her
car. anyway,  that just made my day so i thought i'd share.

and finally...

5) okay, i'm totally obsessed with the wood song right now but, i'm not quite
sure what it's all about. i was thinking it had something to do with going to
college but, i really don't know. sooo.. if anyone has any interpretations
they'd like to share i'd sure love to hear!

okay.. i'm shutting up! take care!

-=-katy-=-

"when you learn to love yourself you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast."
-=amy ray=-
"what we call human nature in actuality is human habit."
-=jewel kiltcher=-

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date:         mon, 26 oct 1998 23:56:09 est
reply-to:     lythande99@aol.com
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from:         "timothy j. baldwin" <lythande99@aol.com>
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dear friends.....

....there's something happening here.....what it is ain't exactly clear.....

does it strike anyone else as strange that this hateful mystery list suddenly
appears....supposedly with posts from certain regular contributors to this
list....via an anonymous *message from a friend*.....  yet we are led to
believe that the hurtful content is indeed real and that a half dozen regular
contributors to this list are in fact vile and duplicitous persons.....

but what if we are all being victimized......missy, lamia, the six people who
have been the subject of allegations, and the membership of the list as a
whole.....by the same forces that are at work in other segments of
society.....planting evidence is nothing new in this country.....

i simply cannot and will not believe that people i consider friends could be
capable of such callousness....

please.....we all feel for missy and lamia.....but what if the others have
been *set up* as well????  there have been a lot of strange occurrences on
this list in recent weeks......

in peace and harmony......
tim

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 00:26:53 est
reply-to:     flg940bigr@aol.com
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from:         "freida l. garigin" <flg940bigr@aol.com>
subject:      fwd: fw: i'm sorry
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from: flg940bigr@aol.com
return-path: <flg940bigr@aol.com>
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ok.  i' ve been trying to ignore all this bs, but i've just got to say
something.  there is no way to tell who is who or who is doing what to whom,
and i did not join this list to see all this juvenille crap.  and i don't even
care if you all are juvenilles, either.  grow up or take your little "hate
list" or whatever, to another forum.
y'all need to remember what we do here.  the music that has drawn us all
together is about love and peace and honesty and making the world a better
place.  let's get back to it...

i think that closer to fine,like hammer and a nail, means that there is a
point where sitting around analyzing yourself becomes useless and it's time to
just get in there, get dirty, and get something done rather than just think
about it.

freida.

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 01:08:04 est
reply-to:     dschulman@aol.com
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in a message dated 10/26/98 7:09:49 pm, jlucero@mail.monmouth.com wrote:

<<do not destroy this list because of the off-list behavior of a few people.>>

in recent months this list has become a haven for those who think it is their
own personal forum for whatever they want to post.  that is not, and never was
what this list is about.  you all know who you are, and those of us just
barely hanging on, delete-happy, and ready to unsub (y'all know who you are
too) have been too tolerant.

here we have a new list-owner (and i can only speculate why sherlyn gave up
this thankless task), who has been very straight-forward about taking this
stuff private, and many of you feel it's your obligation to ignore her.  make
no mistake... this will kill the list.

i am in total agreement that what has transpired on another list is
deplorable, but all this righteous indignation needs to be directed at those
responsible and to the appropriate list.  those people demanding that jen
remove (from this list) the people who have libelled someone on another list,
are obviously unaware that unless it happens here, the list-owner cannot,
should not, arbitarily remove people from this list.  the next step would be
to edit our posts.... there are certain rights and freedoms, and last i
checked, i was still living in a democracy.

now, please, take it private!!!!  let's get back to, oh, what was it again???
oh, yeah... indigo girls!!!!!  and one more thing... this is twice in 10 days.
don't make me yell at you again.

dee (who really needs to go to sleep now, so quiet down!)

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 00:10:23 pst
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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hey all--
i was online the other night and this guy, dominick miserandino, im'd me
with a link to an interview he had done with amy.  i looked at his page,
and it turns out he has interviewed dozens of people and posted them all
on his website.  among them i found:

danielle howle
http://www.c-cafe.com/danielle-howle.html

john brand, the lead singer of belloluna
http://www.c-cafe.com/john-brand.html

aaaand amy
http://www.c-cafe.com/amy-ray.html

jill :)

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girl, you're in the middle of nowhere
whatever place you're coming from was way back where
wherever you thought you were going, you ain't there
can't you see, you're in the middle of nowhere

visit my wife on the web!
http://www.bostonphoenix.com/archive/1in10/98/02/come.html

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 03:36:02 est
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hi, y'all.  i can't sleep, even though i have to go out in to the big bad
world bright and early and help clare earn us a living.  i got my car back
after four months of car-lessness.  anyway, my wonderful clare (do i mention
her enough?) got me a screensaver off of ebay and installed it for me because
i'm still a timid computer idiot.  it is really cool!  i'm wondering if there
are any more ig video screensaver out there.  i can install up to five
different ones at once-- i'd love to have one of joking or galileo.  does
anybody know?
freida.

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 00:41:14 pst
reply-to:     recidivist spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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pardon the nigc, but i know you guys have talked about lucy on here...


>from: lucy kaplansky announcements <lucy-kaplansky-announce@pobox.com>
>
>hi guys!  here's a quick update:  started rehearsals for cry cry cry
>(our tour will start up on december 1) and we're all really excited
>about the album, which came out a couple of weeks ago.  here's where
>i'll be in the next few weeks:
>
>10/29  thursdays, west bridgewater, pa  (412) 728-2229
>10/30  brick alley theater, cleveland, oh  (216) 432-3655
>10/31  unitarian fellowship, state college, pa  (814) 238-8048
>11/4   cactus cafe, austin, tx  (512) 475-6515
>11/5   mcgonigel's mucky duck, houston, tx  (713) 528-5999
>11/6   city arts center, oklahoma city, ok  (405)528-4527
>11/7   uncle calvin's, dallas, tx  (214) 363-0044
>11/13  college commons, middletown, ny  (914) 341-4065
>11/14  trinity episcopal church, boonville, ny  (315) 942-4421
>11/15  the turning point, piermont, ny  (914) 359-1089
>11/20  valley players theater, waitsfield, vt  (802) 496-8910
>11/21  first universalist church, salem, ma  (978) 741-5743
>
>i'll email you soon about the whole cry cry cry tour.  thanks again for
>all the email you send me, which i always love getting, even though i
>don't have time to respond to everyone individually.  have a wonderful
>fall!
>
>love, lucy
>
>===
>note -- you are all encouraged to preview lucy's updated web site at:
>http://www.folkartists.com/kaplansky
>
>


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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 05:23:17 est
reply-to:     lythande99@aol.com
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from:         "timothy j. baldwin" <lythande99@aol.com>
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dear friends.....

many people were disturbed by recent happenings on and adjacent to this
list....  i don't wish to prolong the discussion, but i've spent most of this
evening and the wee hours of the morning talking and exchanging emails with
several friends who were inadvertently involved in the situation.....  a lot
of mistakes were made, mostly errors in judgment among many of the parties
cited, but there also seems to have been a bit of malicious computer hacking
involved.....the people involved have a high profile on this list and have
voiced opinions on a lot of sensitive issues....i don't think it's at all
inconceivable that an unknown person with an axe to grind against the girls or
this list or certain people on this list might have conspired to weave this
web....  some wonderful, caring people have been suffering.....  please, if
you care about this situation at all, don't rush to judgment of the parties
supposedly involved....  too many have been hurt already....

if you wish to respond, please do so privately....

peace, love and harmony....
tim

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 04:23:15 pst
reply-to:     lindsay agans <eccemus@hotmail.com>
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from:         lindsay agans <eccemus@hotmail.com>
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i'd have to count strange fire as one of my faves simply because it is
their first. in this album i hear innocence and inauguration and
simplicity. i love emilys heart in this album and amys passion, though
at times it still unleashed. i am moved everytime i hear this album,
every single time.

>date:  mon, 26 oct 1998 21:47:46 est
>reply-to: indilint@aol.com
>from:  karmen ford <indilint@aol.com>
>subject:      strange fire
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>ok, so i've been an ig fan for about 4 years now, but have never heard
strange
>fire (the album).  i can't quite explain it, it's one of those things
that i
>just never purchased, you know?  there was always a cd i wanted more,
or i
>didn't have enough money.  so after an extremely hard week (which is
funny,
>since it's only monday) that is promising to get worse, i decided i
needed a
>treat. so i went into the byu bookstore and started looking at cds.
and there
>was a copy of strange fire, for $11.97.  so i said, what the heck, and
bought
>it.  then i proceeded to get a raspberry slurpee (they're very good by
the
>way, like cherry with a kick) and went into my room and put the cd on.
i was
>floored!  it was wonderful!
>
>the only three songs i really knew on the cd were strange fire, i don't
wanna
>know, and land of canaan (by the way, i *do* love amy's growl on this
song,
>but i miss the live quality of 1200c).  but everything just seemed to
clicked
>and make sense.  it all worked.  i'm not sure its my favorite ig album,
but
>i'm seeing it starting to grow on me as we speak.
>
>just wanted to share!
>
>love you all
>kar
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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 07:49:06 est
reply-to:     tcheehill@aol.com
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i've decided to go home for thanksgiving early...and guess where my folks
live? atlanta.  so, i get to see amy ray, danielle howell (my favorite...i
could just listen to her talk and i'd be satiated), michelle malone (appearing
at eddie's a week later), and rose.  also, shelley, tara, jill, and
michel.....i'm going to try the open mic thing there on monday, too.  wish me
luck!!!!!!!!!!!
-chee

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 09:44:01 -0400
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i truly *am* interested in whether or not there have been lists created by
people to mock missy, a wonderfully warm and sweet person who wouldn't hurt
a flea as far as i can tell.

if these lists exist, i think the folks who were mentioned as being a part
of them (tony?
leanne? indigobabs? whoever else?) might step forward and explain their
part. if they don't exist, we don't have any right to publicly chastise
them. so, there it is. and i *do* think this is appropriate for public (not
private ) email. if there is hatemongering going on this list, i don't want
any part of it, and it pains me to say that, cuz i've been on this list for
five years, met many of my closest friends and my sweet girl through this
list.

please, show yourselves. exaplin yourselves. or fight back. whatever
happens, i think we deserve to know.

susan

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 09:07:16 est
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i was on an ani list called nadc  and there was a time when there was a
tremendous amount of flaming going on and it eventually led to the demise of
the list and the owner pulled the plug...i don't think that would be a bad
idea in this case either. there are way too many bad vibes, hurt feelings,
flaming and other general unusefulness on the list these days...

i'm leaving the list. i'm not getting anything from it these days except a
mailbox full of accusations and flaming...that wouldn't be so bad, except
because no one knows the story behind the story, the flaming isn't even the
slightest bit entertaining...

i'm in the process of forming a new list at www.queernet.org. it's going to be
called grrls-rock. the basic gyst of it is grrls with guitars and the women
who love them. it will be a forum to talk about all kinds of artists from ig
to ani, dar, melissa ferrick etc etc...and i'm sure there will be plenty of
non music content as well...

but there won't be any flaming...if flaming erupts people will get booted off
the list or i will kill the list...my list, my rules...

i can't deal with this list anymore...i don't get anything from it...so what's
the point? the spirit of a&e and their music are lost and that is a
shame...maybe i will resub if i find out through the grapevine that the list
is back to how it was a before, a great forum for some interesting nigc, tape
trees, concert dates etc etc...

in the meantime if anyone on this list in interested in the list i am forming
at queernet, contact me via private e mail,since i'm unsubbing...the list
should be up soon, just waiting for the go ahead from the head guy...

"and i wasn't joking when i said goodbye" ani difranco

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 09:26:06 -0500
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can anyone tell me how to get to the faq, the archives, and how to subscribe to
the (snail?) mail list for ig merchandise.

-- heidi

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 09:21:37 -0600
reply-to:     pooh40@mc.net
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we don't need to hear it..enuf cr*p already..if people want to explain
what happened  do it privately.......this is the indigpo girls list
not the "golly i got flamed
so i'm gonna flame someone and then make my own list and talk about them
behind their back list"

actually..no on owes anyone any explaination on this list..whatever
nastiness happened happened off the list where it belonged..its only now
that its being drug up for all to comment on..leave it off the list...

don't we have anything better to talk about....

anyone want to take on the task of examining a trilogy of ig tunes

i always thought

hey jesus
left me a fool
and then  fare thee well  was a great trilogy...
for my own reasons..doesn't matter why em wrote them

whats the corelation between reunion and dead mans hill..is there one?
sounds like it

for all i care we can discuss which three ig you'd take with you  if you
were blasting off with old man glenn this week...anything related to
ig...

i don't care what happened off the list..missy babe..sorry you got hurt
but i hope it taught you a lesson..the net is not the place to  trust
people implicitly..boy oh boy did i learn that..people are not who they
present themselves to be..its only words on a screen...so learn from
this and move on..
on to ig
i welcome all flames privately..ladys' outta town so i have time on my
hands..

steppin down and shutting big mouth

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 10:30:00 -0500
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hello all..for a class of mine we have to do a project that raises
awareness on campus,    but it can be about any social issue we want and
can
take whatever form we choose. the teacher gave the example of putting up
flyers that said "subvert the dominant paradigm" or putting stickers on
magazine ads that say "this objectifies women".  it just needs to
challenge people to think a bit.   so i was wondering what kind of things
are going on at other campuses across the nation.  i promise i do my own
work, its just that everyone was so helpful when i needed a list of lbgt
musicians, i thought id see if any of you activist types have any cool
ideas!
thanks
sarah

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  a&e  "i will walk down the street. i will hold my head high. i will say
   #    hello to everyone i meet. i will have love in my heart.  when i
   #    have hate, i will turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger,
  _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
/ o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
'---'  a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will love.
and i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."  -amy ray

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 10:49:42 -0500
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is there an ig song that you didn't much care for on the album, but then
you heard it live or on a boot or something and you were like oh yeah!?

that has happened with me and caramia...and in the weirdest of places.
for some reason i would not listen to this boot i have from las cruces, nm
from 96...but i listened to it this weekend and i was like freaking to
caramia...it was cool :)

of course i was also freaking when 106.5 in my town played soy on friday
while i was at work...*was massively grooving and drooling at the same
time * *hehehehehehe*

--audra


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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 10:52:36 est
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let this be the very last email to this list about the previous situation.  no
more... ... we're moving on... ... ...

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wondering if anyone on this list of 700+ knows how to play the boxer by simon
and garfunkel.. i mean, fingerpicking like paul simon does, not chords.  email
me privately if you do.. sorry for the nigc folks.

trooper

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hot off the glaad plate!: on tuesday, october 27, glaad will launch a
new
online entertainment news service, glaad's hollywood hotsheet.  the new
project will bring glaad online visitors the latest news from film,
television, music and theatre that concerns or involves the lesbian,
gay,
bisexual and transgender community. the hotsheet will offer a "heads up"
on
upcoming gay-themed television shows and provide information on upcoming

record releases by lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender artists.
casting
news, film development information and celebrity interviews will also be

included. the very first installment of glaad's hollywood hotsheet can
be
seen tomorrow at glaad online at http://www.glaad.org.  for more
information, contact william horn (glaad assistant entertainment media
director) at (213) 658-6775, ext.17 or via e-mail at horn@glaad.org.

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hi guys...

if you've noticed that there has been no birthday list lately, it's
because i have set my options to no mail.  however, everytime i opt to
receive list mail, i find that the list is getting worse, not better.
so i'm going to unsubscribe for good.  if anyone would like to take over
the duties of "birthday goddess," (or god, as the case may be..)  please
email me at joanne.cusick@cexp.com. however, i will no longer send the
list out.  when i joined the list, it was a lot of fun, and i have met
some great people.  however, i believe the list no longer serves it's
purpose.


till later,

jo anne


piglet sidled up to pooh from behind.
"pooh," he whispered.
"yes,  piglet?"
"nothing," said piglet, taking pooh's paw.
"i just wanted to be sure of you."

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>is there an ig song that you didn't much care for on the album, but then
>you heard it live or on a boot or something and you were like oh yeah!?

chickenman!!  i used to dislike that song so much i would skip it on the
cd.  after hearing all those great socs and seeing how much everyone loves
to play it i now like it.

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i love this place.  i have only been here for three months or so but i feel
like i am home.  even with the one i love most there are unpleasant, even
horrible times.  they work themselves out.  then things are all the better
for the contrast.

"a moment of peace is worth every war behind us"
  ---e. saliers

come on, people, don't give up so easily.  this too shall pass.

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everyone,

please welcome audra as the 6th in a long line of birthday goddesses...
many thanks to her for taking this on at such a short notice!!!

to all the wonderful people i have met on this list, thanks for making
it such a great place.

joanne cusick

"people say true friends must always hold hands, but true friends
don't need to hold hands because they know the other hand will always be
there."   unknown

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reply-to:     tracy & the swamp dogs <clumber@bigfoot.com>
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at 07:49 am 10/27/98 , audra wrote:
>is there an ig song that you didn't much care for on the album, but then
>you heard it live or on a boot or something and you were like oh yeah!?

yes.  for me it was "cut it out". i hated it, yuck yuck yuck "i can't stand
songs where someone is just hollaring at me" and i skipped it, programmed
it off my cd-player, did not record it to my tape version of sots, and went
far out of my way to avoid it.

then i saw ig at the pier those 3 nights nd heard amy perform it live...
kachunk.  then i got it.  now i love the song. now i get it.

good thread idea.  let's go there.

tracy

"you only think you were being vague."
                -- my best bud logan... making my brain hurt again

tracy et al, see our web page at:
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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 12:02:41 -0500
reply-to:     cheri carter <ccigfan@mindspring.com>
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....on a waaaaaay lighter note....

here are the dates i have for shawn for the next month or so.
remember, all are subject to change!!!!!
10/29  toronto, can  lee's palace  10:45 show  8pm doors
10/31  raleigh, nc   trinity farms  4:30p show  12pm doors
11/1   w. palm beach  coral sky amp.  1p show  12p doors

chris isaak dates
11/3  minneapolis    state theater
11/5  chicago        chicago theater
11/6  milwaukee      riverside theater
11/7  kalamazoo,mi   state theater
11/8  detroit        state theater
11/10 columbus,oh    ohio theater
11/12 wash., dc      930 club
11/13 philly         tower theater(if anyone knows how far this is from the
airport,
   can you email me privately??)
11/15 boston         orpheum
11/16 portland,me    merrill auditorium
11/17 newark,nj      newark pac
11/18 rochester,ny   tbd
11/20 nyc            roseland
11/21 wallingford,ct oakdale theater
11/24 nashville      ryman auditorium
11/27 myrtle beach,sc house of blues
11/28 orlando         house of blues
11/30 new orleans     house of blues

a few other tidbits...
tv..."party of 5" is currently using 'lullaby' in a commercial promo
     "dawson's creek" at some point will use 'rainy night'(i may be
remembering the                  wrong song here folks) in the show in some
capacity
...shawn's taping of '120 minutes' airs on mtv 11/15
...the 11/30 show will be broadcast live over the net at 10pm but i'm not
sure on what web site...check the columbia site for more info.

that's all i know for now.
peace
cheri

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 13:14:44 -0500
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...and yes, it's igc.  maybe it will get us talking about something
interesting...

so we had this thread on the michelle malone list last fall, and i liked
it.  so let's try it here...let's say that epic (or whoever) called you up
and asked you to assemble an indigo girls greatest hits collection.  you
are limited to 12 songs, and let's say that at least 10 of them have to be
already released things...but the other two can be bootlegs, or whatever.

which 12 do you choose?  and, if you care to elaborate, why?
mine are (in the order i would put em on the cd)

history of us
the untitled song
i'll give you my skin
strange fire
watershed
world falls
ghost
touch me fall
reunion
mystery
don't give that girl a gun
closer to fine (live)

damn that was hard...

darren

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which ig song  best looks to the future or is the most optimistic?  post to
the list or email me.
lynn

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hey all
>at 07:49 am 10/27/98 , audra wrote:
>>is there an ig song that you didn't much care for on the album, but then
>>you heard it live or on a boot or something and you were like oh yeah!?

>then at 07:36 am 10/27/98 -0800, tracy wrote:
>yes.  for me it was "cut it out". <snip>
>then i saw ig at the pier those 3 nights nd heard amy perform it live...
>kachunk.  then i got it.  now i love the song. now i get it.
>
yes!!!! i was there at that concert. i stood right next to my bud tracy +
had the same experience... hated cut it out on the cd, but absolutely
*loved* it live...
course... amy coulda sung us all "skinna marink a dink a dink, skinna marink
a doooo..." and i would have been blown away... the girls live are powerful
powerful powerful...
>peace all, kim ( who is not so sure she shoulda' taken her gf to that
concert, cause the gal fell in love with amy ray that fateful eve + given
the chance, would toss me aside in an instant... lol!!!)
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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 12:11:57 -0600
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at 07:49 am 10/27/98 , audra wrote:
>is there an ig song that you didn't much care for on the album, but then
>you heard it live or on a boot or something and you were like oh yeah!?

caramia all the way! i hated it till i heard a live version and now i
cannot get enough. it's sort of a departure for emily, i think. more
passion, less concrete meaning. actually it's very much like what one
associates with amy's work.

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i don't know that i could pick just one...strange fire (it still kills me that amy wrote that so early on in her career...it's so darn good)...
...love will come to you (even though it makes me cry)...
...let it be me...the wood song...the entire nis album...i could go on and on.

take care, y'all,
shelley

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comic relief in light of recent events or just another reason to
unsubscribe? i posted it, so you know my opinion! hope you enjoy.
>from: "brian and mary dillon" <dillon@ptcs.net>
>to: <etheridge@esosoft.com>
>subject: *etheridge* nmec--just something funny :)
>date: tue, 27 oct 1998 11:51:47 -0500
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>hi all,
>    sorry to bother you all with the non me content but this came to me from
>another list and i thought you all might like it! :) (and if you don't
>sorry!!!)
>
>
>mary
><< q: how many internet mailing list subscribers does it take
>> to change a light bulb?
>>
>> a: 1,331:
>>
>>
>> 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mailing list
>> that the light bulb has been changed
>>
>> 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
>> how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
>>
>> 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
>>
>> 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about
>> changing light bulbs.
>>
>> 53 to flame the spell checkers
>>
>> 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about
>> the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this
>> mail list.
>>
>> 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
>>
>> 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
>> please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
>>
>> 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar,
>> alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs
>> be stopped.
>>
>> 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are
>> all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are**
>> relevant to this mail list.
>>
>> 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
>> superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of
>> light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands
>> are faulty.
>>
>> 27 to post urls where one can see examples of different
>> light bulbs
>>
>> 14 to post that the urls were posted incorrectly, and to
>> post corrected urls.
>>
>> 3 to post about links they found from the urls that are
>> relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
>> this list.
>>
>> 33 to quote all posts to date, including all headers and
>> footers, and then add "me too."
>>
>> 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because
>> they cannot handle the light bulb controversy
>>
>> 19 to quote the "me too's" to say, "me three."
>>
>> 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb faq.
>>
>> 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
>>
>> 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was
>> meant for, leave it here.
>>
>> 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.
>>
>>
>> --http://www.egnet.co.uk/light.html
>>
>>  >>
>
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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 14:53:00 est
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<< which ig song  best looks to the future or is the most optimistic?>>

        for me, it would have to be watershed.  i used to listen to this song
whenever things were looking glum or i felt it was time for a new start in
life....for the xxxx time!
        i still love it.

jennifer

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ooooo...good one.  here's my choices, in no order:


chickenman (live)
watershed
fare thee well
ghost
shed your skin
blister in the sun
language or the kiss
midnight train to georgia
romeo & juliet
joking
thin line
tangled up in blue (i love this one!!!  emily steals this one w/ her bluesy
sound)

jennifer

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on tue, 27 oct 1998, jennifer belton wrote:

> :
> << which ig song  best looks to the future or is the most optimistic?>>
>
>         for me, it would have to be watershed.  i used to listen to this song
> whenever things were looking glum or i felt it was time for a new start in
> life....for the xxxx time!
>         i still love it.

        i'd have to agree with that, for sure.  "watershed" is the song
that's kicked me out of this major depressive slump i've been in lately;
in fact, a song i'm working on right now is inspired by my reaction to
"watershed."  i'll share it with you all when i'm done, maybe.  ;)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
__sgb29641@csun.edu_________________________http://www.wcat.com/~eponine__
"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 15:48:25 -0500
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this song is definitely one of the more optimistic indigo girls songs.
i really like the line "every five years or so i look back on my life
and have a good laugh".  there is so much truth in it.  like a friend of
mine once said, "in 500 years, nobody's going to give a rats a** about
what i did on my final," which pretty much sums up all of the things i
do.

:)
anna

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>s there an ig song that you didn't much care for on the album, but then
>you heard it live or on a boot or something and you were like oh yeah!?

:-)  when i first heard chickenman, i was like, oh wow....this song really
sucks!
it became this big joke with my friends, and we'd play the song all the time,
really loud, just for the sheer suffering it caused us.  it was kind of
like...we loved it because we thought it was just so horrible....
and then i heard it on a boot a friend had, don't know the show, don't care
enough to get up and look.....and amy was just wailing away, and we were like,
whoa, this is horrible....and somehow it turned into a song we just
loved....because it was just so much fun to listen to.  and now chickenman is
one of my favorite songs, and when they opened with it at lilith we all
absolutely crazy...... so i'm glad i got over my chickenman-phobia :-)

emily

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lynn writes:

>which ig song  best looks to the future or is the most optimistic?
>post to
>the list or email me.

hmmm . . . i'll turn it into two catagories . . .

best looks to the future
*the envelope please*
*cough*
it's a four-way tie: closer to fine, love's recovery, watershed, and it's
alright.

most optimistic
i'm going with the wood song, but i'd also have to toss in reunion, despite
the fact it's kind of a downer.  optimism can stem from pain though, correct?

does it strike anyone else that amy tends to grapple with her past, while
emily struggles to understand her present?

to homework, and beyond ~
emb

ps: does anyone here know if a high school ap history teacher is supposed to
use the "ap" as justification for neglecting to conduct relevent class
discussions or not?  it's unclear to me if this is really what happens in
colleges...but i heard we're supposed to be having lectures?  can anyone shed
some light?  thanks.

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hmmm...
gotta go with:
1. shed your skin
2. left me a fool
3. land of caanan
4. language or the kiss
5. ghost
6. blood and fire
7. don't give that girl a gun
8. kid fears
9. closer to fine
10. power of two
11. shame on you
12. hammer and nail
i know i'm gonna send this off to the list only moments later to think "oh
wait!!!! i shoulda said <insert name of neglected favorite song here>
plllp!
peace all... kim
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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 13:25:23 -0800
reply-to:     pretty silver grrrl <saliers__ray@yahoo.com>
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> << which ig song  best looks to the future or is the most
optimistic?>>

i think that it totally has to be hammer and a nail, because it's
talking about how we need to learn new things in order to improve our
world, and improving our world gives us a sense of acomplishment and
helps us grow!

*hugs*

lamia
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"sometimes i feel dead inside.."
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chickenman would be my song for a change of heart.  when i was a
freshman in college, my hallmates introduced me to the girls by playing
their music frequently.  over christmas break that year, i decided to
check them out myself.  the public library in my hometown has a lot of
current music, so i borrowed rites of passage and listened to it
constantly for those two weeks.

when i got the tape, it was cued to the second side.  the first couple
of songs are pretty mellow with nice harmonies and then *bam*
chickenman.  if my friends hadn't like them so much, i probably would
have written off the girls as being a little too weird for me.

now, i would say that it's one of my favorite songs.  in fact, it has
gotten into my blood and drives me crazy wild when i hear it (which is a
rather scary sight to see).

:)
anna

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 16:17:42 -0600
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in my oh-so-humble opinion...

1. galileo
2. power of two (fast version)
3. mystery
4. tangled up in blue
5. closer to fine
6. romeo & juliet
7. it's alright
8. gone again (yeah, i'm hooked on this one already!)
9. the wood song
10. ghost
11. blood & fire
12. shame on you

sheesh...that's hard. can't we make it a two-cd set?!?!?

--amy

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 14:27:04 -0800
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hi,

i want to say that i used to not think much about cut it out, but after
hearing it live a few times it is probably my favorite amy song.  well,
live anyway.  and the reasons for that are almost solely because of emily.
the song has got a really unusual structure, and that's cool, but when
emily starts on her guitar solo, it's like some uncaging of a power inside
herself that she doesn't( or maybe can't) express in her own songs.  not
to say emily's songs aren't passionate, they just seem more controlled
than when she if free to rock out on the amy songs.

and that brings up another thought i've been having.  i wonder why they
never jam on emily songs.  like breaking into an outro after get out the
map.  i mean, the solos change, and she changes her inflection, but they
never go into a full out jam session like on many of amy's songs.

one final thing, go dominique moceaneau!  just kidding.  don't talk about
that.

love, wendell

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i found this posted on the melissa etheridge mailing list and with all the
flames and problems going on on this list, i thought everyone could use a good
laugh.


<< q: how many internet mailing list subscribers does it take
> to change a light bulb?
>
> a: 1,331:
>
>
> 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mailing list
> that the light bulb has been changed
>
> 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and
> how the light bulb could have been changed differently.
>
> 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs.
>
> 27 to point out spelling/grammar errors in posts about
> changing light bulbs.
>
> 53 to flame the spell checkers
>
> 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about
> the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this
> mail list.
>
> 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames.
>
> 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to
> please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb
>

> 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar,
> alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs
> be stopped.
>
> 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we are
> all use light bulbs and therefore the posts **are**
> relevant to this mail list.
>
> 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is
> superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of
> light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands
> are faulty.
>
> 27 to post urls where one can see examples of different
> light bulbs
>
> 14 to post that the urls were posted incorrectly, and to
> post corrected urls.
>
> 3 to post about links they found from the urls that are
> relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to
> this list.
>
> 33 to quote all posts to date, including all headers and
> footers, and then add "me too."
>
> 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because
> they cannot handle the light bulb controversy
>
> 19 to quote the "me too's" to say, "me three."
>
> 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb faq.
>
> 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup.
>
> 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was
> meant for, leave it here.
>
> 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb.

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so umm...heehee - not that all 700+ of you care, i have to tell ya
anyway!!!

my bday is on thursday - october 29.

ive been thinking bout it alot today - some good stuff has been going
on with me...*in* me - reflective, forgiving kinds of things - and i
feel so *real*.  so it's neat that all of this is happening around my
bday - it feels like a new start.

igc - my songs of the week:  'if you wanna live like that' - love how
they sing that - 'holy city' - (*heaven* if you cant find it here -
you cant find it there anyway)  'love of a common people'

take care -
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the song that makes me look to the future in that they sing would be
mystery, carma, land of cannon and hey kind friend. the ones i like when i
am mad are shed your skin over and over again and galileo. i was wondering
also if someone had an e-mail address for the melissa etheridge list and
what ever happened to the te- shirts on that one. also anymore on this list
about me can be e-mailed to me privately. please do not crowd this list up
with it. missy

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 15:43:18 -0700
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hey kind friends,

bad news.......i'm going to be on medical leave for awhile.

i need to share this with my on-line friends and family.  on october
11th, i went to the doctor and my nightmare began.  we discussed that i
had some abnormal tissue growth in my shoulder and upper chest.  the
growth has been rapid and i have already sustained nerve damage.  i will
be having surgery next wednesday (nov. 4) to remove it.  the next day,
(nov. 5), i will start several weeks of intensive radiation therapy.
this will be putting me out of commission for a while.

sorry to drag this out into the list, but i know i owe a lot of people
tapes, trades, etc.  i won't be able to complete these for several more
weeks.  thank you for your patience.

cheers,
l'sly

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great thread.....i have been wondering what being closer to fine is all about
too...
                it seems to me that this and least complicated are running along the same
line of thinking.   "the less i seek my source, the closer i am to fine" and
"the hardest to learn was the least complicated".
        almost like the girls are saying the same thing...if i don't try so hard
things will just fall into place.
        as far as being "closer to fine".....for me i think that it means trying to
get to that point where each of us feels complete.  we are all a part of this
life to learn certain lessons.  not everyone has the same lessons to learn,
and we all search for the answers along different roads.  if we don't get it
right here, then we are given another shot the next time around...in a
different time and place...another life.  but each of us is trying to be
closer to fine....closer to the end of our quest, our journey. (amy's seen
alot of carnage on her journey........)  :-)
        that's just my take on things imho.....does anyone have any idea what the
girls were aiming for or talking about when the song was written?  i'd sure
like to know....

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ok, silly me, meant to send this to the whole list, so here it is....

love
kar

<< is there an ig song that you didn't much care for on the album, but then
  you heard it live or on a boot or something and you were like oh yeah!?
   >>

is there ever!   chickenman!  i never could really get into this song.  it
also seemed like it could work well, but it was tedious whenever i listenedto
it.  so whenver i was listening to rop i just kinda skipped it (i didn't own
1200c at that time).  then a&e came to my town and i went (was there a
doubt?)
and the played chickenman.  well, amy had that famous little growl of hers
going all over the place and they just started ad libbing and it was rockin'!
i turned to christy (who shared similiar opinions about the song, and we just
said together, "this is great!"

since then i've discovered that chickenman is the awesomest song to blare in
the car stereo as you drive 70 miles an hour down an old country highway (rt.
0 in virginia is great for this -- after you get out of chesterfield) and i
really hope no va police subscribe to this list...) and i'm counting on it to
help me out as i drive from provo ut to tuscon, az, where the speed limit
actually *is* 75, so i won't feel as guilty:)

great thread!

love
kar

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i'll jump on this one.  lessee...have to include radio
hits.................
1. closer to fine
2. joking
3. shame on you
4. least complicated
5. touch me fall
6. galileo

movie hits...................
7. power of two
8. i don't wanna talk about it (i know...not written by them but damn
fine)

old favorites...............
9. land of canaan (oops - amy said never again....scratch that....)
9. strange fire (need something from this album, and what better than
the title track)
10. world falls (need something from nis, and this is my favorite)
11. watershed (another nis song, another favorite from emily)
12. ghost (finest songwriting emily's ever done in my opinion)

13. cold as ice (hidden track - early song i wish they'd release)

looky at that - it's even half em half amy.  and i for one, wouldn't
mind seeing this greatest hits as an all-acoustic newly mixed studio
acoustic album - as long as we're just making this up anyways.

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someone (who's name i deleted too quickly) wrote:

>>and that brings up another thought i've been having.  i wonder why they
never jam on emily songs.  like breaking into an outro after get out the
map.  i mean, the solos change, and she changes her inflection, but they
never go into a full out jam session like on many of amy's songs.

maybe because emily has said she likes for live songs to be very similar to
the way they are when recorded so as to be recognizable to the audience,
while amy prefers to keep songs evolving and to jam.
but don't forget the totally revamped version of power of two they did on
the ss tour!

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hey all--

i've got a color carrie newcomer poster up for grabs.  it's 24"x16", and
it's promoting her newest cd, my true name.

interested? let me know by friday, and i'll choose a name at random.
winner pays shipping (sase).

jill :)

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hi,

anyone got an url for that ?

georg

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this would be my all time (at least right now) ig greatest hits album. i love
so many of their songs.... but these are my favorites!! these songs have all
helped me get through life's hard lessons. (plus we sing all of these the
best!)

1.  mystery (for that dreamy feeling)
2.  ghost   (being in that sinking mood)
2.  virginia wolff  (helping me deal with death and immortality)
3.  land of canaan  ( ugh, need i say anything!)
4.  watershed  ( big inspirational song!)
5.  power of two (for those "connected" moments)
6.  least complicated  (1st song i learned to sing w g/f)
7.  galileo ( fun, releasing song)
8.  walk away (amy's incredible raw passion exploding)
9.  love will come to you  ( true heartfelt moments)
10. shame on you (another releasing song)
11. hammer and nail ( my let go and let god! get over it - song!)
12. closer to fine ( my inspiration for many many things!)
close runner up's - crazy game, shed your skin, language or the kiss..... on &
on
these are just the ones that have a big tug on my heart..... i love all of
their songs.... i am really into the strange fire album right now... it is
just jumping out at me...
that is enough out of me!
indigo forever!
krista

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has anyone besides me noticed that 'gone again' has a hauntingly similar
riff to elton john's 'crocodile rock'?!  this just strikes me as funny for
some reason...if you listen to the mandolin part towards the beginning i
think....start humming the beginning of croc. rock(i remember when rock was
young...me and suzy had so much fun..)  and it fits right in!!!  it's
probably just my twisted brain, but that's all i hear now!!!!
cheri

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wouldn't it be great to have ig put together a live cd of all the unreleased
songs they did? e.g. ballad of squeaky fromme, problem child.....etc

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sorry for the nigc, but someone emailed me regarding my strange fire post and
i hit reply, but their address came up as only the following

@cougarnet.netexp.net

  i accidently deleted the original message and don't know how reply to them,
so if you see this and it's you, i'm sorry, email me back and i'll write to
you.

thanks!

love
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        just wanted to take the time to thank everyone for getting back to the
reason we are all on this list...to talk about ig!
        great new threads...great discussions going on...keep them coming.

                thanks again.

                        jen

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>>has anyone besides me noticed that 'gone again' has a hauntingly similar
riff to elton john's 'crocodile rock'?!
a reason for this, i think,  is that amy used to listen to lot's of e.john.
(i read this somewhere, he was an early influence), i know she thinks his
writing partner (who's name escapes me) is one of the better song writers
so maybe it stuck in her head.

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elton john...
didn't amy say, when asked what was her first album, that it was
elton john's "don't shoot me i'm only a piano player"?

(seems to linger in my memory... somewhere)

twink!

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sarah t. rosenblum wrote:
>
> (i read this somewhere, he was an early influence), i know she thinks his
> writing partner (who's name escapes me) is one of the better song > writers
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bernie taupin is his name.  bernie taupin & elton john have to be one of
the best, most influential and talented singer/songwriter teams of the
'70's and '80's.  some would say of all times.  if anyone ever has the
chance, listen to some of elton and bernie's earlier songs - imo his
best, like the cd "elton john" or "madmen across the water".

elaine

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---barb and twink <bf2brland@sprintmail.com> wrote:
> didn't amy say, when asked what was her first album, that it was
> elton john's "don't shoot me i'm only a piano player"?

she says it in the interview with shawn colvin on shades of indigo...

lori ann (enjoying her new copy of shades of indigo courtesy of jill
*waving* hi jill!)

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cheri said:
>has anyone besides me noticed that 'gone again' has a hauntingly
similar
>riff to elton john's 'crocodile rock'?!

no, i hear it too!  i don't have a piano, so i can't give you the actual
notes or anything, but just sing these phrases out loud and kind of
alter the beat and you can hear it:

think     i'll      bag      a        trip                      for
two
    i         re      mem    ber    when     rock      was    young

that's so cool, cheri!

jill :)

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i found this an interesting little anecdote, yet somewhat insulting to
the woman, as well.  you tell me what you think.
from the letters section of scene magazine (northeast ohio's
entertainment weekly), oct. 22-28, 1998

ani = burger flipper?

i produce and host the caffeine buzz, a weekly radio show saturdays at
10:00 a.m. on 91.3 fm waps in akron.  the format of our show is
primarily music by women.  for this reason, i felt that reviewing the
ani difranco concert in cleveland on sept. 26 would be of interest to my
audience. when i contacted righteous babe records in buffalo, "shawn,"
her publicist, agreed to provide two tickets for me, and i am grateful
for that.
when i asked if it would be possible to go backstage and interview/meet
her, he said, "well, if you went to a fast food burger place and had a
really good burger, would you want to go back into the kitchen and meet
the greasy, 17-year-old burger flipper who cooked it for you?"
while this is certainly a snappy response that i am sure he was dying to
use on someone, i was shocked that he used it on me in this context.
certainly, ani difranco gets labeled enough by the music world, but
being called a greasy burger flipper by her own publicist?

cheryl glunt
akron

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cheryl:
our vote's with ani's henchman on this one.  righteous babe was good
enough to provide review tickets for you.  hanging out with an artist
backstage has no bearing on a review, and label representatives are
never obliged to provide such access to reviewers. the most savvy
promotions specialists can separate the journalists from the adoring
fans by the ring of their phone call, and shawn scores bonus points for
the snappy comeback in this case.

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let me try this again:

think/ i'll/ bag  /a   /trip            /for   /two

i      /re/ mem/ ber/when rock/was/young

can you hear it?

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   on monday (yesterday!), my brit lit teacher announced he would be bringing
a "very special friend" of his in today, to speak to us.  a regionally famed
author, her name is terry marotta.  when he said this, the girls who sits
behind me and i both shrieked in excitement, which *really* confused him . . .
until we explained between giggles, and then of course it all seemed so
reasonable. =)  but, anyhow, her name has long bothered me, because i (please
don't flame) don't have the highest possible opinion of jerry marotta's
drumming, and whenever i hear this woman mentioned i just agitated all over
again . . . anyhow, i knew i was obsessed because when i told my father who
our guest speaker would be, he smiled and said, "i hope she brings her drums."

done sharing!
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twink sayeth:
>didn't amy say, when asked what was her first album, that it was
>elton john's "don't shoot me i'm only a piano player"?
>
>(seems to linger in my memory... somewhere)

yes! it's on shades of indigo.  they're asked what was the first album
they each bought.
amy's: don't shoot me... and "a partridge family album"
emily's: the jackson 5.  she tells this story how her dad promised her a
penny for every dandelion she picked out of the yard.  so she went out
and picked 500 dandelions and got $5 to buy the album. awww.

jill

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i was wondering if stiffing alcohol kills the brain cells when it gives you
a buzz on like cloud nine? i am told it does and i say if it feels good
just do it. better then drinking it down. ha ha. missy

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i didn't want any post back. i posted to the wrong list or to the wrong
person. i was suppose to be pulling my friends chain while i am high. my
problems have nothing to do with this list and i do not mean to drag
anybody into them. sorry again. missy

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would anyone happen to know where to get tickets for the cry, cry, cry
tour?  the oakland nj venue's voice recording was less than helpfull.

pleasant journeys,
shana

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since i'm out and about from just usually lurking....i'm going to have to go
with:

boys just laugh
land of canaan
virginia woolf
kid fears
touch me fall
reunion
strange fire
tangled up in blue
shame on you
blood and fire
love's recovery
power of two ( from sst )

of course these are in no way what so ever in any particular order...that
would be way too hard for me to do right now.  i'm having a hard enough time
just leaving these 12 songs without adding more.
--peace, trish

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ok, here is my pick:

watershed
power of two
prince of darkness
wood song
tangled up in blue
closer to fine
shame on you
land of canan
blood and fire
welcome me
joking
hammer and a nail

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speaking of this pairing (tripling?), was anyone else at the atlanta aids
walk back in...oh, it must have been 90 or 91...when they played a few
songs together? now _that_ was cool.  and one of my most wanted bootlegs
ever (along with the little five points pub reunion show at the roxy and a
couple others...)

i think they played "mona lisas and mad hatters", "get together", and one
other one...and then elton did a few by himself...

darren

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i had a change of heart on "crazy game" -- it wasn't intense enough for me...
until jazzfest, and the girls -- just the two of them....   amy put her guitar
down and just blew me away with her rhymic movements in those great faded-and-
patched jeans... made me want to play any game she wanted, no matter how crazy
it was.  i finally "got it", the low-key but very sensual and sexual mood of
the song, and i have that performance recorded in my brain (i only wish i had
it on tape) and on live at the uptown lounge, she does it again, you know, a
little different, the way the songs vary from performance to performance, and
now i love the song.
       and i want to toss this out as maybe a new thread or possibly someone
more educated can help me out---  i've been trying to pin down the style  of
"crazy game". it's very different from the rest of their songs --at least to
me-- and has a feel to it that i feel like i should be able to identify.  for
awhile i was thinking it was sort of a "swing" ballad, if there is such a
creature... anybody?
freida

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  i very much want to get back to the discussions, boot networks, ig news and
all.  it's discouraging to see people unsubbing but i have to admit, i've
considered it in the last few days.  but then, i find threads that seem to
speak to me, and then i find things i want to ask, and there is nowhere else
to ask but here.  i've probably posted way too much in the few months that
i've been on the list, but i've tried to be true to the subject....  i found
the list to be extremely valuable to those affected by matthew shepherd's
death.  and i wouldn't have had any clue as to the availibility of boots, or
the spitfire tour, or songs ig have sung since the release of  sots...   and
i've been able to reach out to a couple of the young women here dealing with
issues of sexual identity and coming out...  this is a very special thing,
here,  and i'm sure that many would agree that there are plenty of good
reasons to keep it going.  i'd also like to hear from the "lurkers", though
posting might invalidate the designation... amy and emily have contributed to
our lives invaluably and they link us together, from all over the world, even.
they have risen above the corruptive powers of fame and fortune and turned
around and applied that very fame and fortune to tangible examples of  "making
the world a better place" more effectively and generously than any other
celebrity-type i can think of. and personally, i can honestly say that i think
their music has contributed to my sanity and spirituality to an exponentially
greater extent than fifteen (give or take) years of therapy.  i had a lot to
overcome, yet here i am, still alive when it was predicted that i wouldn't see
my eighteenth birthday because of  the disaster of poverty and mental illness
in my family.  and i'm now thirty-two. had a&e been around, in kansas while i
was busy trying to find a way to stay alive (literally), tortured by the
conflict of my religion and my sexuality, maybe i wouldn't have felt like my
only solution was to off myself... in the end, the people who raised me
totally turned their backs on me and i'm not quite sure how i managed to
survive that either. i think of  gay kids in high school now, being a little
less alone in their secrets because of a&e and melissa e. and k.d....  ig are
literally saving lives by being open and out and honest and by giving those
kids, and the rest of us, an example of action, ultimately selfless.  they
have recognized that the bootleg recordings of concerts will happen and is
essentially harmless, and i think that this aspect of the list is the most
valuable.  i don't know anything about other lists, so maybe this bootleg
thing is widespread.  plenty of other celebs speak out for causes and all, but
a&e have made it their public purpose to do what they can to give unheard
peoples a voice,  and show us how to do it too.  they have remained down-to-
earth even while they become stellar, by not losing sight of the work that
needs to be done, which humbles them-- it's all there in the music...    and
that's what i want to talk about.  the music and the musicians both are layers
and layers and they don't go stale as we peel them back because the music is
alive and grows, and is not really played the same way each time.  they
experiment-- it works  and sometimes it fails (on the video i recorded from
the london concert on the disney channel, on "closer to fine" the woman who
had the pennywhistle totally blew it yet it was all okay) .  i guess i've
ranted long enough.
freida.

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>has anyone besides me noticed that 'gone again' has a hauntingly
>similar riff to elton john's 'crocodile rock'?!

i do the same thing with land of canaan and strange fire on the strange
fire cd.  i always forget that loc is the last song and start to sing
the words of sf to the loc music and then when the amy starts, i'm like
"whoa, wrong song."  but they do kinda sound the same.  i don't know if
the notes are the same or not but they kinda have the same feel.

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what song is boys just laugh and where could i find it?  it is one of the few
songs i have never heard of.

thanks.

kerri

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>susan:
>i don't think "we" deserve to know anything.  it shouldn't have been shared
>with the list, the ig list meant for ig topics.  now it is a personal matter
>being handled by those involved.  can we all  just mind our own business?
>lynn

i don't agree at all.

if there are people on this list who would tolerate and encourage this kind
of hateful crap, i dont want to be part of it. so maybe if you( and the
majority) want to tolerate it, i should go, cause i think anyone who was
part of it should be kicked off the list unless they can explain what
happened (it's possible there was, as timothy sais, hacking etc involved)

what's wrong with you people? yes this is an ig list but its also supposed
to be a respectful, kind community. i'm appalled at your apathy.


susan

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        hi folks,

        just wanted to let everyone know that i'm gonna be outta town for a
courple of days at a training session in vermont.  sherlyn will be stepping
in to take care of any admin problems they may pop up.
        but i want to ask you...the listees...to behave!!!
        keep up the great work on talking about ig music old and new.  please keep
the nigc to a minimum!  and also watch the amount of "me too" posts.

        take it easy,

                jen

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at 07:37 pm 10/27/98 est, you wrote:
>wouldn't it be great to have ig put together a live cd of all the unreleased
>songs they did? e.g. ballad of squeaky fromme, problem child.....etc
>
um....i'm working on a tape of this.  don't bombard me yet, though!  it's
barely started :)

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in reading over your *best of* lists, i was surprised that more of you didn't
include *love's recovery*.  i couldn't imagine a *best of* tape without it.

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> what's wrong with you people? yes this is an ig list but its also supposed
> to be a respectful, kind community. i'm appalled at your apathy.
>
> susan
>
apathy has nothing to do with it..it has to do with the fact that this
list was set up to discuss ig....not nasty people....
if you want to know what happen i feel you are perfectly justified to
ask those you feel have been wronged  or, in  your opinion have done
wrong..to give their side of the story to you privately...
i may not agree with what happened to anyone who was hurt and have
written privately to many of the mambers..i'm not sure there was some
secret hidden conspiracy to defame folks...i my not agree with everyones
politics but if they have a valid opinion on something pertaining to ig
then i welcome that opinion  on this list
i may not agree with their opinion but will fight to the death for their
right to express it...or something like that
this list is suppose to be for info in ig ( though lately there is quite
a bit of debate as to its real purpose)..
the old listmama and now the new list mama have stated that we need to
move on..
i suggest we follow their instructions
also, if anyone wished to continue this debate with me i'd be welcome to
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i have to agree with the editor (&the reply) on this one.  she (cheryl)
shouldnt take the flippant reply literally& since she's not a print
journalist, her appropriate action would have been to request a taped
interview for her program (if available).

my .02....

melissa

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> i found this an interesting little anecdote, yet somewhat insulting to
> the woman, as well.  you tell me what you think.
> from the letters section of scene magazine (northeast ohio's
> entertainment weekly), oct. 22-28, 1998
>
> ani = burger flipper?
>
> i produce and host the caffeine buzz, a weekly radio show saturdays at
> 10:00 a.m. on 91.3 fm waps in akron.  the format of our show is
> primarily music by women.  for this reason, i felt that reviewing the
> ani difranco concert in cleveland on sept. 26 would be of interest to my
> audience. when i contacted righteous babe records in buffalo, "shawn,"
> her publicist, agreed to provide two tickets for me, and i am grateful
> for that.
> when i asked if it would be possible to go backstage and interview/meet
> her, he said, "well, if you went to a fast food burger place and had a
> really good burger, would you want to go back into the kitchen and meet
> the greasy, 17-year-old burger flipper who cooked it for you?"
> while this is certainly a snappy response that i am sure he was dying to
> use on someone, i was shocked that he used it on me in this context.
> certainly, ani difranco gets labeled enough by the music world, but
> being called a greasy burger flipper by her own publicist?
>
> cheryl glunt
> akron
>
> editors' response:
> cheryl:
> our vote's with ani's henchman on this one.  righteous babe was good
> enough to provide review tickets for you.  hanging out with an artist
> backstage has no bearing on a review, and label representatives are
> never obliged to provide such access to reviewers. the most savvy
> promotions specialists can separate the journalists from the adoring
> fans by the ring of their phone call, and shawn scores bonus points for
> the snappy comeback in this case.
>
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boy, this is a tough one.  kind of like having to answer which is your
favorite child.

title of the cd:  indigopoly

power of two (still, the song)
galileo (their best, musically speaking)
ghost (their best, lyrically)
least complicated
virginia woolfe (the passion is moving)
let it be me
kid fears (not now, but this was my first "fave" since i was such a huge
rem fan before i began listening to ig)
watershed
love will come to you
midnight train to georgia (not authentic, but what a cover)
closer to fine
you and me of the 10,000 wars (underrated)


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you left it up to me
crazy game
land of canaan
prince of darkness
keeper of my heart
watershed
jonas and ezekial
ghost
fugitive
least complicated
cut it out
everything in its own time


boy, that was hard!  only twelve.  i wish i had more.

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language or the kiss
the wood song
fugitive
chickenman
love's recovery
romeo & juliet (beautiful cover)
don't give the girl a gun
shed your skin
the water is wide (beautiful cover)
closer to fine
ghost
nashville


very hard choices........veryvery hard choices...these are my picks today.

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you left it up to me
crazy game
you and me and the !0,000 wars
prince of darkness
keeper of my heart
watershed
fare thee well
ghost
fugitive
least complicated
don't give that girl a gun
everything in its own time

bonus tracks( cause its the import version ;)
mystery
closer to fine( cause you just gotta)
left me a fool

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here's my cd - not really what i think would be the song-list, but mainly
just my favorites.  and they are in order how they would appear on my
favorite cd!!!

fugitive
thin line
secure yourself
ghost
love will come to you
mystery
blood & fire
mona lisa & the mad hatters
language or the kiss
hey kind friend
you & me of the 10k wars
romeo & juliet

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hello!

i just recently subscribed to this list -- my greetings to "y'all".

does anyone know the guitar chords or tab for "airplane"?  i can't find the
song on the usual internet sources for chords and tab (olga for example).

john ihnat

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mine 12 choices will be:

suffragate song (go)
ghost
language or the kiss
virginia woolf
welcome me
wood song
reunion
this train revised
kids fear
you left it up to me
love's recovery
wood song

whew! that was tough! i think it'll be easier to post songs that i don't quite
like since there aren't too many.....

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wow.  all these ideas for a "best of" compilation and no one includes
"airplane".

;o) j/k,

scott

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okay - looks like we're jokingly heading in a new direction...

how about a disc of the "worst of"?  go ahead - pick your 5 least
favorites.  we'll make this an ep - wouldn't be possible to do a
full-length disc.  obviously, this is just for jollies, so no flaming
allowed!  :p   and since some of you have been saying chickenman was an
unfavorite (which i can't believe because when rop came out - that was
the song i lived for!) it'll be interesting to see how many unfavorites
are on other's 'best of' lists.  and put reasons, okay? cause it's more
interesting like that...here's mine:

1. don't give that girl a gun - (don't like that 'be real cool / i'm
your fool' line)
2. galileo - i know, i know, but it's that dissonant harmony on "book"
that kills it for me!  i continue to wish amy's harmony would drop on
the second half of the word along with the chord change.  plus - i've
heard so many live versions of this - i'm tiring of it!
3. heartache central time - just too un-indigo and country
4. dead man's hill - this song is so musically brilliant, and the words
still continue to gross me out inspiring bad bad visual images
5. touch me fall - the swamp version, not a live one - those strings -
blick!

okay - obviously - this is all in jest - and it's all opinion, and just
for fun, i'm just curious as to what you guys will say!

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ghost
power of two
reunion
wood song
loves recovery
chickenman chickenman chickenman
shame on you
crazy game
land of cannan
get out the map god i love her playing the banjo!
least complicated
fugative

troopity troop

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who wrote finlandia? it is sooooo beautiful!!!

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but the top 5 i always find myself skipping are:

blood and fire
kid fears
caramia
touch me fall
keeper of my heart

~trooper

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i sadly did not make it to gainesville for the spitfire tour last night,
so i was wondering if anyone who was there could share about it with me...
i wish i would have thought ahead of time and asked someone to grab extra
pamphlets etc that they may have had on the issues...
thanks-
kim

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hey y'all-

a quick request.  can we please refrain from putting profanity in message headers?  i check my messages at work, and don't like having "new message:  s$%# about the ig's" flashing on my screen.

sorry,
shel

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in a message dated 10/28/98 11:46:23 am, you wrote:

<<a quick request.  can we please refrain from putting profanity in message
headers?  i check my messages at work, and don't like having "new message:
s$%# about the ig's" flashing on my screen.>>

this shouldn't have to do with where you read these messages.  i am in no way
a prude, but i am an elementary school teacher, & while i use those words,
there is a time & place.  the list (as well as any other public forum) is not
one of them.

dee

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girl with the weight of the world in her hands
faye tucker
love will come to you
love's recovery
hey kind friend

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hey friends,

i don't usually post nigc but some of these just had me in gigglefits
(and one is a quote used often in listees' sigs) so i thought i'd pass
it on.  hope y'all enjoy :)

peace & indigo dreams,
sheri g

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from: "virginia green" <vgreen@campplan.utah.edu>
subject: (fwd) (fwd) bumper stickers for the 90's:

bumper stickers for the 90's:

you're just jealous because the voices are talking to me

earth is full go home

i have the body of a god....................................buddha

this would be really funny if it weren't happening to me

so many pedestrians so little time

i used to be disgusted now i'm just amused

cleverly disguised as a responsible adult

if progress means to move forward what does congress mean?

if we quit voting will they all go away?

politics - from the words "poly"  meaning "many" and "ticks" as
in "small, blood-sucking parasites"

the face is familiar but i can't quite remember my name

he who dies with the most toys...still dies

eat right, exercise, die anyway

illiterate? write for help

honk if anything falls off

cover me i'm changing lanes

he who laughs last thinks slowest

he who hesitates is not only lost but miles from the next exit

i refuse to have a battle of wits with an unarmed person

this isn't my idea of a good time

it's been lovely but i have to scream now

uniquely maladjusted but fun

this bumper sticker exploits illiterates

minimum wage for politicians

visualize using your turn signals

where are we going and why am i in this hand basket?

i haven't lost my mind it's backed up on disk somewhere

oh, evolve!

you! out of the gene pool!

gone crazy be back shortly

if you're not outraged you're not paying attention

i do whatever my rice krispies tell me to

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123/kid fears-these 2 are in a category together...i just consider them songs
that bug!

center stage, history of us, center stage-these three are just irritating
early songwriting songs...they were just novices that's all

this train revised--this song drives me crazy i don't know what it is i just
can't stand it
sorry to those of you who love these tunes...maybe i'll have a change of
heart..its happened many times before...cut it out, touch me fall, pushing the
needle too far
-colleen

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did anyone go to the opening of watershed.  i'd love to hear about it.

thanks -b

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first of all, i apologize for posting this here, but i could use some
career advice. i'm a senior in college, graduating in may with a degree in
rhetoric (creative writing), so i'm starting to look for a full-time job.
i'm hoping to relocate to the san francisco area, but really, anything
outside the midwest would be a bonus. my background is in graphic design
and technical writing, but my interests are fairly wide-ranging.

so, i'm looking for some advice on what i can do with this, or what
companies i should look into. my college placement office is pretty much
non-existant for non-engineering students. *sigh*

any advice or info is welcome, but please email me individually. this
doesn't really need to go to the whole list! :)

thanks in advance,
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my worst of picks...

airplane
1-2-3
burnt all the letters
make it easier

can't think of the fifth one....

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>how about a disc of the "worst of"?
yeah, here's mine:
1. airplane
2. airplane
3. airplane
4. airplane
5. airplane

ick! seriously, tho:
1. airplane
2. history of us
3. burn all the letters
4. back together again (as emily said, "yikes, the lyrics!". when this
song comes on, my roommate and i sing "hokie, hokie, hokie" along with
the music... but it ~is~ kind of endearing.)
5. i don't want to know (had to have at least ~one~ amy song... to
twangy for my tastes)

what can i say? i'm an amy snob!
i would probably also include fare thee well, but i guess that's not
fair because i have literally only listened to that song all the way
through 3, count 'em, 3 times. don't like it. i always skip that track.
sosumi.

have a great one, folks! :)

peace,
amy

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at 12:40 pm 10/28/98 -0500, kim wrote:
>i sadly did not make it to gainesville for the spitfire tour last night,
>so i was wondering if anyone who was there could share about it with me...
>i wish i would have thought ahead of time and asked someone to grab extra
>pamphlets etc that they may have had on the issues...

i went to the spitfire tour last night and i must say that, on the whole, it
was very well done. the speakers caused me to think about a lot of things i
don't normally think about. i'm really glad that amy brought cecilia
rodriguez along with her. i think she really touched the hearts of a lot of
people who knew nothing about the war in mexico. her speech was highly
inspirational and full of emotion. an article about amy and cecilia that was
published in the alligator this morning can be found at
http://www.alligator.org/edit/issues/98-fall/current/b01fire.htm

amy sang go when cecilia rodriquez finished and the crowd seemed to love it.
as usual, she was great. amy did really well with the question and answer
thing. surprisingly, many of the questions were directed towards amy and
cecilia rodriguez. it seems as though what they said had a great effect on a
lot of people who attended, and that's a great thing.

i spoke to amy for awhile before the show started. she urged me to urge
everyone i know to go to the school of the americas at ft. benning in
columbus, georgia on november 21-22 to close it down. so i'm urging you all
to go. if you need or want information about this, email me privately.

a few things disappointed me about the spitfire tour. first of all, i think
they should have had a question and answer period after each speaker instead
of at the end of the night. after woody harrellson spoke, hundreds of people
left and it was very distracting for all involved. something else that
disturbed me was the fact that 300 or so seats on the floor were reserved
for vips. many of these vips were members of the student government or
accent, both of whom sponsored the show. it seems to me that a show that
promotes justice, equality, etc. should be without a "chosen few" who get to
sit up front in their suits and dresses. i think the vip thing was the fault
of the sponsors and not the tour itself. one of the questioners addressed
this inequity and i think amy said that she and the rest of the panelists
knew nothing about it.

finally, what really pissed me off (and i can't find a better way to phrase
it) was the audience. this obviously has more to do with the student
population than the tour itself. there were quite a few hecklers, many rowdy
stoned people, and a lot of people who were there just because they wanted
to see woody because "he's so cute and funny." whatever. i had the dubious
honor of sitting next to the entire sigma chi fraternity who all had the
same haircut, same body, same clothes, same cologne. i don't think there's
one individual among them. the sole reason they attended was that woody
harrelson was a sigma chi. every time a speaker went to the podium they
shouted "we want woody." they didn't listen to the other speakers at all. in
fact, they seemed to have a good time insulting each person and what he or
she said. one thing that was very disturbing was their behavior during the
gay rights activist's speech. i cannot for the life of me remember her name.
i wish i could because she was great. she was at the spitfire in clemson.
can anyone help me out? anyway, she spoke about the death of matthew shepard
and how tragic it is for the gay community as a whole. she spoke out against
hatred and violence to all people. she was very emotional and her speech was
very touching. the apes of sigma chi continued to talk amongst themselves
during the entire speech, and one of them (the guy right behind me) said "i
wish that dyke bitch would get off the stage and get her ass down to the
university club (gay bar here in gainesville)." they all laughed of course
because apes don't have a sense of humor.

i turned around to the guy and told him to shut up because i was trying to
listen. he apologized. when amy got up to the podium the same guy said, "oh
god it's another dyke. i guess they want everyone to become gay." then when
amy started talking about the zapatistas, another guy said "what are
zapatistas? a femi-nazi lesbian gang?" they all laughed again.

their comments and reactions to the other speakers weren't in the exact same
vain, but they were immature at best. i really wish i would have turned
around and told them what i thought of them, but that probably would not
have been a good idea. it's best to just ignore that kind of stupidity,
immaturity, and ignorance. it is very disturbing nonetheless. i'm not
knocking the entire sigma chi fraternity organization or whatever it is. i'm
only commenting on the sigma chis at uf. so if you're a member of sigma chi,
please don't be offended.

anyway, this is already too long and i've got a paper to write. all in all
it was a good experience. i learned a lot and met a lot of great people. i
would be interested in knowing what others thought about it, so if you were
there, please email me. y'all have a good one!

jendy

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hmmm.. .
my five worst ig hits would be:
1-2-3  (just because)
cut it out  (the end drags out too long)
pushing the needle too far  (appreciate the lyrics, dislike the music)
don't give that girl a gun  (one word - ugh)
scooter boys  (only because i had to pick five, and i don't like how they sing
"yeah"                              along with the guitar note - call me picky)  :)

kathy

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amy vorpagel wrote:

worst picks:
> 1. airplane
> 2. airplane
> 3. airplane
> 4. airplane
> 5. airplane

this is too weird and funny - i composed the same exact post, just like
this, all five of my picks were "airplane", and was ready to send it
when i heard the faint beep of my computer signaling that a new post was
in - your post.  it's much easier for me to pick what song i don't like.

elaine

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i tried to choose my least-favorite five, but i just can't bring myself to
say/write anything negative about ig.  (i guess i wouldn't make a very good
reporter -- or judge for that matter.)  even thinking about it made me feel
yukky.  i don't mean to criticize the idea, though -- it was a great one --
just nearly impossible for me to do for two such kind-hearted people.

-- heidi

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ok finally we all get to admit those songs we just have to skip over, even
though they are ig:

1-2-3 (it may grow on me yet, but chances are slim)
chickenman (come on.... chickenman?)
cut it out (just gets so whiney at the end)
pushing the needle too far  (just not a fan)
hey kind friend (i don't know why this song irks me so, but it does!)

leslie

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first, amy said, half-joking:
>
>worst picks:
>> 1. airplane
>> 2. airplane
>> 3. airplane
>> 4. airplane
>> 5. airplane
>

then elaine agreed:
>this is too weird and funny - i composed the same exact post, just like
>this, all five of my picks were "airplane" it's much easier for me to pick
what song i don't like.

i'm always amazed when we have a poll or a thread which asks about
least favorite songs to see that so many people have a deep dislike for
this song.  i think this is one of the *cutest* emily songs ever!
it's just adorable!  this would even be a song to put on a desert island
(double cassette of course) mix tape if,  i ever had to create such a tape.
i just love it!

just my 2 round, shiny, copper things.

leigh ann


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hey y'all!
i'm back from a few months of list-free life and ready to get back online.
would anyone be kind enough to summarize what i may have missed in the
last few months??  thanks!
sue harney :)

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airplane ranks in my list of favorite ig songs. if fact, it would probably
be in my top 12 if i had a top 12 favorite song list thingy. it's one of the
most adorable songs i've ever heard, and i can relate to it just as much as
i can relate to stuff like left me a fool, language or the kiss, mystery,
fare thee well, least complicated, love's recovery, and all those other
deeply meaningful and touching emily saliers songs. i know we all have
different tastes in stuff like this (thank god!), but i think those of us
who like the song should speak up. it's worth discussion, and lord knows we
need some form of ig discussion on this list.

i have a really intense fear of flying. if i could afford it, i'd get
therapy, but since i can't, i just don't fly. i don't even consider flying
anymore. i can't even drive by an airport without having a panic attack or
at least coming close to having one. i know all this may sound very odd to
you, but it's true. i'm not afraid of anything else. just flying. and man is
it intense. that's why i can relate to that song so well. it puts everything
in perspective, makes me feel like i'm not alone in the world, and it does
it in a friendly, uplifting way. the melody and vocals are almost
child-like, symbolizing for me the vulnerability i have in dealing with my
fear of flying and airplanes. the lyrics and melody are very simple and easy
to swallow. and where the hell else do you hear 3 women who sound like an
airplane? i think it's a structurally remarkable and original song. it's
also a comforting song for me.

anyway, i love airplane. i think it's one of the greatest songs emily's
written. sure it's simple, but in a way, that's the beauty of it. not
everything has to be deep. my least favorite ig song? either 123 or blood
and fire. can't deal with those. later :)

jendy

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on wed, 28 oct 1998, tony & leigh ann wrote (in regard to "airplane"):

> i'm always amazed when we have a poll or a thread which asks about
> least favorite songs to see that so many people have a deep dislike for
> this song.  i think this is one of the *cutest* emily songs ever!
> it's just adorable!  this would even be a song to put on a desert island
> (double cassette of course) mix tape if,  i ever had to create such a tape.
> i just love it!

        "airplane" is one of the songs i have mixed feelings about.  i
think it's adorably cute, i really do . . . it's such a whimsical little
song.  but there's something about that high note and the way emily sings
it (especially on "i'll be making a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-aaaaaaaal" in
the first verse) that just gets on my nerves . . . it seems like one of
those songs where emily is *really* stretching for the notes.  also, no
disrespect to the roches intended, but their background vocals at the end
really really bug.  other than that, i like the song.  the lyrics are
cute; i love the "i'd rather have a real pillow underneath my head which
is in my bed which is in my hometown which is on the ground, far from an
airplane" line.  but it's hard to enjoy a song when there's stuff in it
that gets on your nerves.
        on the subject of ig songs we *gasp* actually don't like, i can't
think of many, but there is nothing that can make me like "history of us"
(all apologies to emily, who said in an interview once that that song is
one of her favorites).  "the girl with the weight of the world in her
hands" doesn't appeal to me much, either . . .though that varies by day,
depending on my mood.  other than that, out of all the album stuff (my
bootleg collection is sadly limited to about one tape) there's nothing
else i can think of, really . . .

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        shanie
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i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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in a message dated 10/28/98 4:21:56 pm, joanie1@ufl.edu wrote:

<<i have a really intense fear of flying. .... that's why i can relate to that
song so well.>>

yes!  i hate flying... i hate travelling, but since my hunny lives 800 miles
away one or the other of us makes the trip monthly.  i useta listen to
"airplane" on the ground, in the air, in the airport... "up on the airplane,
nearer my g_d to thee.  i start making a deal, inspired by gravity!"  amen to
that!  one of my favorite songs.
d

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in a message dated 10/28/98 5:17:58 pm central standard time,
sgb29641@email.csun.edu writes:

<<   but there's something about that high note and the way emily sings
it (especially on "i'll be making a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-aaaaaaaal" in
the first verse) that just gets on my nerves . . .  >>

the summer camp that i worked at has this siren that blares through out camp
if a camper is missing and/or has left their buddy tag on the buddy board down
by the river and cannot be found right quick....the siren goes off, we
literally drop everything, take off and book it down this incredibly steep 1/4
mile ravine with a three ft wide paved path called "the beach path" to go
dredge the river for a lifeless body.... (chills~~shiver, shiver....)  and it
is horrible....anyway, i used to have a radio tape player in the cabin
(completely illegal of course...grrr) but i would play ig for the campers and
for me too...i can't tell you how many times me and my co-counselor would book
out of our cabin at the sound of "deeeeeeeee_aaaaaal"  it was the same tone as
that siren starting up....it was so horrible...the dreaded beach drill is
awful...any sound that resembles that siren still makes the little hairs on
the back of my neck prick up...almost an anxiety attack...ugh....running down
a death path, out of breath, dredging the river for a potentially dead
body...not a fun thing to be reminded of....

that's my airplane story...kara.

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at 8:43 am +1100 10/29/98, sherlyn koo wrote:
> tour calls students to action
>
> by ken lewis
> alligator writer
>

[cut]

> the zapatista movement springs from chiapas, the southeastern-most
> region of mexico. on jan. 4, 1994, about 800 mayan tzetlan
> soldiers of the zapatista movement seized the town of acteal,
> opening police and property archives and torching the contents.
> another 1,000 soldiers took nearby towns.

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i want to chime in here for a minute about the accuracy of this article.
it was extremely poorly written, which many people probably noticed, but it
was also factually incorrect.  i am a graduate student who is focusing her
research (coincidentally) on the indigenous political movements in chiapas.

nothing of significance happened on jan. 4, 1994, in chiapas.  on jan. 1,
1994, the zapatistas, which are not a mayan tzeltal group, but instead a
group comprised of people from many different indigenes, including the
tzeltal but also the tzotzil, the mam, etc.  the soldiers are both men and
women, and they come mostly from the chiapas highlands, where indigenous
chiapanecans are now concentrated.  they didn't take control of acteal, but
san cristobal de las casas, the urban center of the chiapas highlands (also
the indigenous economic center).  they also took control of five
surrounding towns.

acteal is of major significance in its own right.  this past june, a
paramilitary group attacked the town.  acteal is the home of a group called
las abejas, or the bees, which is known for supporting the zapatistas'
demands but not their (violent) means.  most of them--the abejas and the
townspeople--were killed.  i forget the total number of people who were
murdered there that day; it was one to two thousand, i think.  what i do
remember is that every house which had "pri" marked on it was unharmed.
pri is the acronym for partido institucional revolutionaire (that's
probably not spelled correctly), or, in english, the institutional
revolutionary party.  this is the party that has governed mexico and
chiapas since the 1920s, and also the group that the zapatistas blame for
their extremely serious plight:  private and government companies, many of
whom are american, have exported most of the abundant resources in chiapas
elsewhere for great profit, thereby both depriving the indigenous people of
the resources they need to survive (eat, make clothes, shelter, etc.) and
land to live on (which, notably, contains the much needed natural
resources).

i hope this is helpful.  it would be really unfortunate to understand the
zapatistas as the writer of that article did.

best,
margaret

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sorry to bug the whole list with this, but i'm so happy i'm bursting!!

i returned to israel yesterday, two hours before my best friend had a
baby boy!!
how do you like that timing, huh?!! ;)
i'm so happy happy happy!!!!!  yay!!

i'm an auntie!!
essentially, anyway.

mazel tov!  who's got the champagne?!!
ack!

ok, going.. sorry...
:-) :-) :-)

michal

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i have a really teeny clor xerox of a photo of thalia that i took at an ss
concert. let me make it clear that this photo is small and a bit unfocused.
however, i know there are some big "come" fans on this list and thought i'd
offer it to anyone who wants it. let me know if you're interested.

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in this order...


least complicated
reunion
galileo
fugitive
land of canaan
ghost
the wood song
everything in it's own time
touch me fall
virginia wolf
chickenman
closer to fine!!!

non-favorites?
heartache central time...
midnight train to georgia...
down by the river...
hey kind friend
burn all the letters

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hi all,

back from some time spent on news-only...

i noted jendy (sp?)'s comment that amy is encouraging attendance at
the campaign to close the school of the americas event nov 20-23 in ft
benning.

is anyone from the list going? would be fun to have a little meet...

the website about this is at:

http://www.soaw.org

hope to see people there!

viva la raza,

larissa


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ok, ok, i admit, i used to completely dislike airplane too. i would
never openly admit to disliking an  ig song, but i secretly skipped it
every time i listened to rop.  i just couldn't get into it because of
the cheesy background vocals......no disrespect to the musicians though.
until, i was actually on an airplane nervous as hell. i totally have
this fear of motion thing :-) so there i am anxiously awaiting the
"cruising altitude",  the time when i can listen to my ig cd's that i am
firmly clutching. finally, i pop in rop and think to myself,
hmmm...maybe i'll just listen to number 10, after all, i am on an
airplane and the song is called airplane, what the hey, i'll give it a
chance, seems fitting.  that was it, i found the secret to the song. i
had to be on an airplane to really appreciate what emily was trying to
say. i still skip it on rop, but every plane trip i take, it's the first
song i play. it was extremely comforting and the engine seemed to drown
out those background vocals..... enough rambling

~lia
who has a strange yearning to hear emily really rock out on a song like
romeo and juliet

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hey list,

this is a first post, so no one be too harsh.  ;o)

best 12:

shed your skin--tom morello remix  (the hardest, sexiest, most powerful song
i've ever heard from them)

shame on you  (fun, energetic, with a good dose of a political message i
support)

galileo  (who else but ig can make the prospect of dying an inspiration to
live a better life, all while smiling and singing along)

crazy game  (the sound just drives me crazy, jazzy, sexy, sweet lyrics)

land of canaan  (what we all want to scream to that ex who still gets in our
head)

kid fears  (a song to cry or make love to, the universal pain/pleasure
musical/vocal content)

least complicated  (how many of those that grew up gay were frustrated at not
quite getting what was different..."the hardest to learn...")

jonas & ezekiel  (another ig masterpiece on the topic of death, also notice
the nod to native americans,  "tribal feet" "it's not the devil's land")

ghost  (lyrically, the best ig song, perfectly capturing the lingering loss of
love)

pushing the needle too far  ( for those of us who have 'pushed it too far' or
worried every night about a 'pusher')

reunion  (a declaration of independence and self worth, with an inspirational
effect)

closer to fine  (the inspiration song, live life with a smile, smell the roses
and all that...  :o)

ok, now...for the hard part.... no explanations for these to avoid offense.
warning: emily fans may want to avert their eyes.  :o)

worst 5:

fare thee well

let it be me

caramia

airplane  (i know, i know it *is* cute)

get together

later y'all  (it's austin, not hick)

;o)  sly

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 20:58:25 -0600
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okay, the photo is spoken for. however, if people are interested, i can go
through my photos from the ss concerts and color copy the ones of thalia.
let me know.

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 14:54:48 -0500
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hey guys - i've just recently gotten into this whole boot thing - and
i'm overwhelmed with the collection i've amassed in such a short time -
*but* so much of what i've gotten through trades is new stuff - which is
great - but i'd really like some older stuff if anyone has some good
quality boots from rop backward.  i'd love anything from the early 90's
as long as it's good quality and doesn't sound recorded over a zillion
times.  and if anyone has anything from the nis tour - i'd be your best
friend for *life*!!  i've got an extensive catalog to offer for trading
- please please email me.  i don't have any decent quality recordings
from the pre-signed days (blue food, purple parrot - etc. - help help
help!!!) - oh, and i'll send chocolate too.

-tara

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 18:03:45 -0700
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  shame on you
  least complicated
  kid fears
  pushing the needle too far
  galileo
  shed your skin
  ghost
  chickenman
  crazy game
  get put the map
  reunion
  closer to fine

*there..that covers most of their "hits" and concert favorites:)

----------ben slavin----------------
l                                  l
l " make me into something         l
l  weightless, mindless, homeless, l
l  vacuum state of peace.          l
l   - k's choice"                  l
l-----------------------------------                                  l

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 13:12:47 -0700
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strange fire
gone again
get out the map
least complicated
thin line
shame on you
burn all the letters
world falls
love's recovery
this train revised*
closer to fine
joking
* * * * * * * * * *
cedar tree
language or the kiss
power of two
three hits
leeds

* an excerpt from ttr is the epigraph for my (still unfinished) dissertation.
it's funny. none of my committee has any idea who "amy ray" is, so they just
assume she's some poet.

doyle srader
director of forensics
arizona state university
(602) 965-5578

for more information about debate at arizona state:
http://www.public.asu.edu/~srader/debate.html

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** they >>no longer exist<<. no attention = no power.
** spread the word. put these lines in your signature.

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> >how about a disc of the "worst of"?
> yeah, here's mine:
> 1. airplane
> 2. airplane
> 3. airplane
> 4. airplane
> 5. airplane

hehe, i'd have to agree with ya on that one amy...i think airplane is my
least favorite of all ig songs...  =)i think my list would be:
1.  airplane  (sorry, i just can't get into those corny background slide
sounds...)
2.  history of us  (this is one of my friends' fave song...too mellow for
me..)
3.  caramia  (don't think this is one of em's best songs...even though a
certain someone out there would strongly disagree with me =)...)
4.  fare thee well
5.  girl with the weight of the world

hmmm...those are all em songs aren't they?  i promise i'm not biased....=)
i might as well share my faves too....these are in no particular order....

1.  ghost
2.  fugitive  (and it's funny cause i used to not like this song at all...)

3.  touch me fall
4.  strange fire
5.  nashville

oh, and my favorite covers of theirs are tangled up in blue and romeo and
juliet..

well now that i've written a completely worthless, subjective post i guess
i'll go now.  =)

oh, by the way, does anyone know where i can find the ig version of  it
won't take long, besides on the spirit of '73 album, which i can't find...?

sharon

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 14:53:33 cdt
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okay, here's mine!!!  :o)  this is a cool thread idea.

1) caramia.  this song makes me gag - it's lyrically the worst song emily's ever written.  i mean, come on "injustice makes you red with choke"?????  that's not only bad lyrically, that's a complete perversion of the english language!

2) cut it out.  amy's voice is so low and growly that this song gives me the creeps.

3) airplane.  it takes me back to my middle school days and new kids on the block fandom.  bubblegum crapola.

4) uh oh, i'm running out of steam.... uhhh....  hey jesus.  i don't like this song.... not being a christian anymore it holds little meaning for me now, and even when i was a christian, it struck me as senseless.

5) play it again, sam.  for the same reason as caramia - it's lyrically poor, and emily is straining for the high notes on this one.  makes my skin crawl.

that was actually fun!  looking forward to the lists of others.

~~jennifer
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too many hands on my time, too many feelings.
too many things on my mind.
when i leave i don't know what i'm hoping to find.
when i leave i don't know what i'm leaving behind...
  ~~neil peart
^^^^^^^^^

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 08:55:53 est
reply-to:     oh susanna <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
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from:         "susan b. marine" <susan.b.marine@dartmouth.edu>
subject:      ya know on second thought

i think you (those of you who have emailed me, outraged at my request for more
info about the sublists) are probably right.

what i think doesn't matter. noone owes me an explanation. i was wrong to ask
for one. i was also wrong to request that those who participated in the
sublists be summarily removed.

but i do think missy or whoever else deserves an apology. and i'll leave it at
that.

i'm sorry that not every member of this list community is equally valued, but
that's just the reality of life i guess.

i'll shut up and go away now, please don't flame me anymore. it's been real.

susan b. marine
(aka ohsusanna@sugar-river.net)

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date:         tue, 27 oct 1998 18:05:34 -0600
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evenin' folks,

i haven't been on the list in a while, and as a matter of fact i'm not on
it now, but i did want to post a bit of news for anyone who happens to be
interested in singer/songwriter/brilliant lyricist cheryl wheeler. this
one riled up the political activist in me, and i know where to turn when i
get riled up. i recently discovered cheryl put out her first video. i
haven't seen it, but it's sure to be fabulous and i know where to get it
if you're interested. a friend of mine called blockbuster music (of all
places) to see if they carried it and this was their reply: no, we don't
carry cheryl wheeler cd's or videos because we consider her to be too
controversial and inappropriate for our customers.

excuse me?!?

cheryl is opinionated, folky, pro-choice, pro-gay, pro-gun control, pro
liberal, pro animal, and pro democrat and she makes no secret of this in
her music. i would like to see how _that_ coupled with an extraordinary
voice and talent translates into "too controversial and inappropriate."
furthermore, i'd like to know the difference between cheryl's music, and,
oh say ig, who are also all of the above. (the difference is that ig are
popular and well known, and will thus sell records, whereas cheryl is not,
and won't). _furthermore_, i would like to know how they can justify
saying that about cheryl, while (i'm assuming they do) they can carry
things along the lines of gansta rap, etc. (again, the key point being
that gansta rap makes them money, while cheryl won't sell as much).

this angered me. enough so that i've written this to you all, and i intend
to repeat this tirade in its essence to blockbuster. i also intend to
inform blockbuster that i have already shared this message with somewhere
in the neighborhood of 1000 people, all of whom have internet access, and
most of whom care about this kind of thing.

if you feel similarly, and want to tell blockbuster about it:

http://www.blockbuster.com/music/about/contact/

or email: customer.service@blockbuster.com

or phone: (800) 800-6767

i already had personal reasons to dislike blockbuster (they treat their
employees like crap, and they contributed in a roundabout way to the
breakup of my last relationship (that's the way to blame someone else!))
but now i have a much more tangible reason to never use them again.

hi to any and all listees out there whom i may still know! :)

folkisgruven,
lorindigo

still driving...
lorinda wright           the trouble in my head is getting closer and closer
washington university     to my legs i've got to walk it out. and the trouble
st. louis, mo             with my heart is that i can't rip it out. and the
                          trouble with myself is that i don't know me.
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                    i will not be complacent

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i dreamed i was at an ig concert and for the encore they sang, "...we keep getting richer, but we'll never get our picture on the cover of the rolling stone."  so, i woke up and thought about it...and wouldn't that be a cute cover for our girls to do?

toye
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                                                           --amy ray

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when i got 1200 curfews, "bury my heart at wounded knee" just didn't
appeal to me, and i was dismayed that it appeared twice on it.  now, i
just love the live version, and the studio one sounds too canned.
probably what changed my view of it was just an admiration for being
involved or politically active in issues you believe in.  scooter boys,
i absolutely hated when i heard it on sots and still didn't like it when
i heard it at the lilith fair.  but now, it's one of my 'growling'
songs. i also had changes of heart with thin line, pushing the needle,
and shed your skin.  after i heard sys in concert, it woke me up.

best of (no particular order)           worst of (no order)
1. mystery                                                      1. 123
2. least complicated                            2. touch me fall
3. jonas and ezekial                            3. chickenman - i do like the live
4. power of two (sst)                           versions and soc's)
5. strange fire                                         4. welcome me
6. shame on you                                         5. (can't think of one)
7. the language or the kiss
8. love's recovery
9. blood and fire
10. ghost
11. dead man's hill
12. joking

the song that has best outlook of the future:
love will come to you
most optimistic: virginia woolf/closer to fine

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date:         thu, 29 oct 1998 08:43:43 +1100
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hey folks,

here is the article from the alligator that jendy
mentioned - it's online here:
http://www.alligator.org/edit/issues/98-fall/current/b01fire.htm

-sherlyn

-----
tour calls students to action

by ken lewis
alligator writer

indigo girls singer amy ray recalled a recent tour of mexico and a
village where american-provided tanks rumbled through the dirt
streets in an effort to intimidate zapatistas.

"my tax dollars were paying for those tanks," ray said tuesday
during the spitfire tour. she told the temporarily silenced crowd
gathered at the o'connell center they do not have to be a part of
this.

"as an american you can say, 'i am not complicit. my hand is not
in the pot,'" she said.

ray addressed thousands of frenzied students at the tour, a call
to action featuring a wide spectrum of celebrities who continually
brought the audience to its feet, yelling hysterically.

ray introduced cecilia rodriguez, a spokeswoman in america for the
zapatista national liberation front.

the zapatista movement springs from chiapas, the southeastern-most
region of mexico. on jan. 4, 1994, about 800 mayan tzetlan
soldiers of the zapatista movement seized the town of acteal,
opening police and property archives and torching the contents.
another 1,000 soldiers took nearby towns.

"government has become a product of corporations," said rodriguez
to the screaming audience. "men, women and machines are equal
servants to money."

the evils of money and its power came up again and again in the
speeches of former nirvana bassist krist novoselic, former mtv
veejay kennedy, marijuana activist todd mccormick, dead kennedy's
jello biafra and actor woody harrelson.

"what does more damage to the world?" biafra asked. "a drug
addict or a wealth addict?"

"the issue here is not left versus right. it's top against the
bottom."

rodriguez read a zapatista proclamation that said money offered,
instead of dignity, a globalization of misery.

she said the mexican government subjected chiapas residents to
15,000 deaths annually through poverty and disease.

"that is violence," rodriguez said. "and people have a right to
defend themselves."

americans have a responsibility to act, she said.

"i'm going to stand here and tell you that your business ... is
to be about the business of rebellion."

(10/28/98)
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alright, here goes:
1. cut it out.  (no particular reason...it just doesn't grab me;)
2. airplane   (sorry everyone for whom it holds a special meaning!;)
3. this train revised
4. fugitive
5. heartache central time ( <----- yuck!  it's so country-ish,
mellow...uggghh!!!)

        and for those of you who put blood and fire on your "worst of" lists, shame
on you!!!!  blood and fire is the quintessential amy song - maybe you should
try listening again ;)  really...i thought it was impossible not to love that
song!

peace and love,
emily

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 19:44:37 -0800
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---"lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com> wrote:
> how about a disc of the "worst of"?  go ahead - pick your 5 least
favorites.

1. history of us
2. 1,2,3
3. i can't think of another...

confession! when i became a fan you know what my least favourite song
was? closer to fine! cuz all of the little poseur girls who were like
12 seemed to know that and nothing else..sort of like sarah mclachlan
fans who only knew building a mystery, tori fans who only know silent
all these years or spark...

but it grew on me!

*hugs*

lamia

==
"i had this wall and what i knew of the free world was that
i could see their fireworks and i could hear their radio
and i thought that if we met i would only start confessing
and they'd know that i was scared, they would know that i was guessing
but the wall came down and there they stood before me
with their stumbling, and their mumbling and their calling out just like me..."
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it makes me so sad that people dont like airplane...i have always loved
the line, :i never should have read that horoscope or the fortune on the
bubble gum strip saying what you think wont happen-will...i just like that
for no particular reason just think its sounds neat..plus they talk about
big fluffy clouds its just happy..ok but my worst of
1. caramia (i'm with everyone on this one)
2. strangefire (on the strangefire cd i love it live)
3. 1 2 3 (just reminds me of songs i used to jump rope to ..it displeases
me)
4. language of the kiss (dont hurt me )
***i think thats it

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 23:11:50 est
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i have a sound wav of the south park episode where cartman is "licking carpet"
and say's he went out and bought an indiglo girls cd and is trying to become a
lesbian.  it also has a short clip of closer to fine (not the real words) in
there.   if you want this, email me with this same subject... '
re:  those lesbian indiglo girls.

nitey nite folks, and thanks to all who responded to my question ab
finlandia...
trooper

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 23:43:50 -0500
reply-to:     barbara corrice <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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from:         barbara corrice <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      false accusations
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my name is barbara corrice. my phone number is 301 870- 1039 my address is
2411 pimpernel drive waldorf md 20603 i have a webpage
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice i am 47. i am a full time student at the
university of maryland. i have three wonderful children. i have lupus and am
sick everyday. i lost my mother, my husband, my house, i was diagnosed with
several very serious diseases. i was betrayed and abused by my husband. i
was ashamed and i blamed myself. i was so sick and alone and i was
humiliated. in order to survive and care of myself and my children i had to
go on welfare. i was horribly sexually abused by two people throughout my
life, from young childhood until i was 17. i would give a stranger the shirt
off my back. i am honest. i am decent. i am generous. i am kind. i love too
easily. i care too much. i am too sensitive. i respect people. i was hurt
very badly and emotionally abused for 23 years and i was so wounded. i was
so afraid of being hurt, and i was afraid to trust people. i became part of
this list because it was safe. i made this list a big part of my life. i
thought people would not be able to hurt me. slowly, thru the list i allowed
people to get close to me. i began to trust and love. and it is easy for you
people to say. bar, it's email, get a life. you try walking in my shoes. the
truth is that i have been violated. judge not, lest ye be judged. let he who
cast the first stone be without sin. i can't forget the ugliness.  i can't
forget the cruelity.

the actions of some in the wake of this tragedy  have been despicable and
who the hell are any of you to sit in judgement of anyone? human beings make
statement in private email that they would never utter in public!!! everyone
on this list would die if their private email was put to public scrutiny.
who the hell is lamia to invite the public to view private email? who the
hell is lamia/stacy to dictate what is appropriate, moral behavior? lamia
humiliated people who she purports to love! some of you on this list have
treated me like yesterday's garbage. you chose to believe the rambling of an
immature child who is void of social skills and tact and good judgement.
lamia is the guilty party here. lamia has hurt me beyond comprehension.
lamia has hurt my friends, and the list. lamia's actions were wrong and even
worse, she feels not one shred of remorse. lamia is proud of what she did!
she is so self-righteous that she thinks that what she was perhaps wrong,
but, oh well, it's done...  lamia wants me to know she *loves* me and *hugs*
and *l* and  *cutesy* this and *cutesy* that.  if this is how she loves, i
don't want any part of it.  i do not want her love.  i do not like her, to
put it mildly. and lamia pointed out that i am old enough to be her
grandmother, and she is right.  i'm not is 7th grade, this is real life to
me.

i can't pretend like nothing happend.   i have integrity and feelings. i
can't forget this happened.   i cannot forget all the people who are
hurting. leigh ann, karen, babs, and jill are my friends.  they are
beautiful people.  i love them and that will never change.  at least half
the people on this list have written to me in the last year.  and i am well
known for my whimsical postings.   i have corresponded with so many. you
know who i am, you know what i stand for.  thank you to all those who have
supported me.  i have demonstrated many times that i am loyal, i always
stick up for everyone who falls victim to list disfavor, i'm am not a
fair-weather friend.  i know if this happened to one of my friends, i know i
would have never sat in judgement, and that my support would have been
unwavering.  just because things are unpleasant, we can't walk away.  we
have to stand up for those we care about.

and yet, as i say that,  i'm walking away...  i can no longer endure the
pain.  and yes i am weak, but that is not a crime.  i can't talk about cd's
and .....   i should not have had to respond because of lamia's
irresponsible and cruel behavior.  i don't owe this list anything and how
sad it is that i had to respond.  it is a dark, dark, dark day for this
list.
barbara corrice

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date:         wed, 28 oct 1998 16:07:59 -0800
reply-to:     ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
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from:         ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
subject:      re: worst of...

i'd have to agree airplane is one of my least favorite. as for picking 4
more....

my brain would explode.

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from: i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
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to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
date: wednesday, 28 october, 1998 3:18 pm
subject: re: worst of...


>on wed, 28 oct 1998, tony & leigh ann wrote (in regard to "airplane"):
>
>> i'm always amazed when we have a poll or a thread which asks about
>> least favorite songs to see that so many people have a deep dislike for
>> this song.  i think this is one of the *cutest* emily songs ever!
>> it's just adorable!  this would even be a song to put on a desert island
>> (double cassette of course) mix tape if,  i ever had to create such a
tape.
>> i just love it!
>
>        "airplane" is one of the songs i have mixed feelings about.  i
>think it's adorably cute, i really do . . . it's such a whimsical little
>song.  but there's something about that high note and the way emily sings
>it (especially on "i'll be making a deeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-aaaaaaaal" in
>the first verse) that just gets on my nerves . . . it seems like one of
>those songs where emily is *really* stretching for the notes.  also, no
>disrespect to the roches intended, but their background vocals at the end
>really really bug.  other than that, i like the song.  the lyrics are
>cute; i love the "i'd rather have a real pillow underneath my head which
>is in my bed which is in my hometown which is on the ground, far from an
>airplane" line.  but it's hard to enjoy a song when there's stuff in it
>that gets on your nerves.
>        on the subject of ig songs we *gasp* actually don't like, i can't
>think of many, but there is nothing that can make me like "history of us"
>(all apologies to emily, who said in an interview once that that song is
>one of her favorites).  "the girl with the weight of the world in her
>hands" doesn't appeal to me much, either . . .though that varies by day,
>depending on my mood.  other than that, out of all the album stuff (my
>bootleg collection is sadly limited to about one tape) there's nothing
>else i can think of, really . . .
>
>        screaming in cathedrals,
>        shanie
> __sgb29641@csun.edu_________________________http://www.wcat.com/~eponine__
>"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
>so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your
babybabybabybabies
>i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces
of
>me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"
>
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