lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-11a


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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 00:28:25 est
reply-to:     nyka95@aol.com
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yeah, for various resons i named my kitten blue, mostly because he was
constantly at my feet, tripping me no matter what i was doing. i was always
bumping into him, thus, i was "tangled up in blue".  it helps that he is a
blue-grey tabby, i suppose......

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 02:47:46 est
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why indeed????  in no particular order.....

1)  amy rocked my world.....

2)  i love harmony......

3)  amy's passionate singing.....

4)  emily's beautiful songs....

5)  the lyrics.....

6)  the music....

7)  the growth....

8)  the social concerns.....

9)  this list and the friends i've made on it.....

peace, love, and harmony.....
tim

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 01:01:47 pst
reply-to:     "c. gongol" <turtle_stinkpot@hotmail.com>
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subject:      first like ig??/mural
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my mom is a big fan of the indigo girls and would listen to them all the
time while i was growing up.  then for my 15th birthday she bought me my
first ig cd of my own- 1200 cerfews- i think partially because i kept
borrowing hers and kept <accidentially> forgetting to return it.  then a
few years later i discovered that some of my friends loved ig as well &
i was amazed that i wasn't the only person who had ever heard of them.
so ya now i'm hooked!!!  ya'll would be prowd to know that last night i
made friends with a bunch of ig fans & a huge raindow-colorful chalk
mural magically appeared during the middle of the night covering the
upper quad of stevenson college- university of california, santa cruz.
with lots & lots of really cool quotes from ig.  & every time i saw
someone walk by it today they smiled so ya- amy & emily are
amazing!!!!!!

catie

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 01:10:04 pst
reply-to:     angelina den held <folkie69@hotmail.com>
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hi all,

wanna know if there's a chatbox about ig? i got a computer (my first) in
january, so please give me details on channels en programs, couse, i
don't know! i'm pretty new at this. i'm on icq nr. 18007890. sorry for
this post but i thought it was a bit ig related, couse i wanna talk
about ig and of cource other things.

email me in privat please!

peace,
angie


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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 00:27:23 -0600
reply-to:     julie fiore <adia1001@juno.com>
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from:         julie fiore <adia1001@juno.com>
subject:      re: igc-austin city limits

of course i've heard of austin city limits!!!  any of my texans pals will
vouch -- its a pretty awesome deal.  lots of great artists that this list
would probably be interested in play that show.  i had heard our girls
were on, but  missed it a long time ago.  that's really cool that you
caught it though!!!!  keep us informed if you hear about it be
rebroadcasted....

julie

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 11:08:35 -0800
reply-to:     sunny <sunnyig@yahoo.com>
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from:         sunny <sunnyig@yahoo.com>
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hey - so this morning im watching meatballs on tv...lol - how funny is
*that*??

anyhoooo - i went to my spinning (biking) class and our instructor
starts the class...pushes the play button for music to start...and
what do my ears hear...ahhh!  closer to fine!  i couldnt help but
'yell out' about what a good music choice that was!!  totally got me
pumped for a hard workout...(the rest of the music wasnt so
good...bummer) - then as if that wasnt enough...*grin*...about halfway
through the class as she's yelling at us (i mean encouraging us) - to
keep going blah blah - she said something like how we couldnt just sit
back and be complacent...(ie 'get up and push yourself' 'dont give
up') hello?  was this a sign or what?

it was cool - at any rate - knew i had to share it - esp w people that
would understand that little 'heart jump' when i heard both the song
and the word 'complacency' (did i spell that right? -rhetorical ??).

ive been having lots of little 'hello?  was this a sign?' kinds of
things happening to me lately...ironic kinds of things - some ig
related - some not, but cool nonetheless.

have a great sunday...take it easy - do something good for urself!

rock on -
sunny - who's feeling jazzed after spinning.  (it really kicks my a$*
but i feel so great afterwards...)


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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 15:11:28 est
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i had posted a brief poem called "when emily sings" previously, now it's amy's
turn.
lynn
"when amy sings"

a firm and familiar voice emerges when summoned
rupturing my self inflicted solitude and silence

she fractures the once frowning and sullen speakers
her passion explodes as brilliant as maine's autumn apparel

her velvet intensity blankets my insecurities
while her knowledge again delivers temporarily lost answers

i shiver as i am overwhelmed by her fervor
she growls and my dread struggles as it flees in ardent fear

i feed off her silken omnipotence
as she sings in the language for which my soul hungers

my soul is hugged and cherished
as her powerful voice inhabits my environment

i am never alone or misunderstood when amy sings

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 12:54:23 pst
reply-to:     intractable spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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hi guys--

meandering around out there somwhere are various assorted copies of a
boot called "amy ray:  man on a highway."  it's a compilation of her
best socs.  i'm assuming a listee compiled it themselves.  anyways,
seems everyone who's got a copy of this has a really *really* bad copy.

if you possess this boot, and your copy is crisp, clean, no caffeine,
please let me know.  i'm really looking for the original boot masterer,
or an especially low generation copy.

jill

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 04:53:00 -0500
reply-to:     elaine bean <efbean@erols.com>
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elaine bean wrote:
>
> intractable spice wrote:
> > . . . . assorted copies of a boot called "amy ray:  man on a
>highway." it's a compilation of her best socs.  i'm assuming a listee
>compiled  it themselves. if you possess this boot, and your copy is
>crisp, clean, no caffeine, please let me know.  i'm really looking for
>the original boot > masterer, or an especially low generation copy.--------------------------------

sorry for this "me too" post, but - me too!  i'm looking for a decent
copy as well.  please, please contact me too if you have a good one (by
good i mean a recording of the socs where you can actually tell one
word from the other and understand what is being said) and could make
me a copy, i'd really appreciate it - my copy sucks. you can barely hear
what she is saying, let  alone make any sense of the mumbling.  it
sounds like one big mumble  with lots of hissing in the background.
thank you.

elaine

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 17:08:46 est
reply-to:     "carol ann ~call me carol~" <chickenwomyn@hotmail.com>
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just when you thought things were getting better.....

oh well!!
so, i'm back cuz i dropped my organic chemistry class.  i'm gonna try
again next semester....
oh well, i'm stupid, but i'm back!!
so!  what did i miss!!  i missed lotsa insanity im sure....
carol

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 19:40:21 est
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in a message dated 10/31/98 4:57:46 pm est, listserv@netspace.org writes:

<< also does anyone have any
pets/objects/whatever named after anything ig related? >>
my friend's horse is named indigo....but he was actually named a long time
before she or i had ever even heard ig....he's 15 and we got into ig last
year.

rae

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 08:02:52 -0500
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> << also does anyone have any
>  pets/objects/whatever named after anything ig related? >>

i had a cat named indigo sweetie (original, huh?), but had to give him
away because my other 4 cats used to torture and terrorize him!

elaine

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 17:02:34 -0800
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><< also does anyone have any
> pets/objects/whatever named after anything ig related? >>

our german shepherd pup (well, closing in on 2 years old now, but still) is
named "river", as in "and the river says... la la la shame on you...."

tracy (& jeni doing bills behind me)

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                -- my best bud logan... making my brain hurt again

tracy et al, see our web page at:
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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 21:24:00 -0500
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you know, i sat down tonight to read the list for the first time since
10/5.  goodness, y'all!  the best reason to unsub is that i went through a
thousand posts and only found this one worth replying to:

at 04:46 pm 10/30/98 , lori and gavin macleod wrote:
>hey does someone have a copy of this?  i'd love to watch it.  i don't really
>want to dub it or keep it, just watch it.  and i'm sure there are others out
>there who might want to set up a chain to watch it and send it off to the
>next person. anyone?
>
>ok - here's where deb let's us know that it is available for sale (probably
>cdnow or ladyslipper or somewhere) and we shouldn't dub it illegally - deb? =)

<huge laugh>  i wish i could say i hadn't hit "reply" before i even got to
that sentence, but... ahh, well, there are worse things than being
predicable, i mean, consistent. :-)  i bought my copy of "inn trouble" from
wolfe video <http://www.wolfevideo.com> a couple of weeks ago, very video
store feature gay films... it was cheap, $20 or less.  you can probably
also rent it from your neighborhood women's bookstore if you're lucky
enough to have one.

i first saw the flick at the dc gay film festival a couple of years ago,
and was pleasantly surprised to find some atlanta familiars involved!  i'm
looking forward to watching it again when i get a chance, but free time has
been rare for me lately.

>but i just want to watch it.  curious about cooper yah know?!

my suggestion is the same as that i would offer with respect to ig cds...
buy it, rent it, borrow it, ask for it for your preferred winter holiday...
just don't pirate it!!

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date:         sun, 1 nov 1998 20:17:34 -0800
reply-to:     monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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just before the beginning of the movie there's a trailer for cristina rey's first
movie, change the frame. has anyone seen this?


monique

deb wrote:

> you know, i sat down tonight to read the list for the first time since
> 10/5.  goodness, y'all!  the best reason to unsub is that i went through a
> thousand posts and only found this one worth replying to:
>
> at 04:46 pm 10/30/98 , lori and gavin macleod wrote:
> >hey does someone have a copy of this?  i'd love to watch it.  i don't really
> >want to dub it or keep it, just watch it.  and i'm sure there are others out
> >there who might want to set up a chain to watch it and send it off to the
> >next person. anyone?
> >
> >ok - here's where deb let's us know that it is available for sale (probably
> >cdnow or ladyslipper or somewhere) and we shouldn't dub it illegally - deb? =)
>
> <huge laugh>  i wish i could say i hadn't hit "reply" before i even got to
> that sentence, but... ahh, well, there are worse things than being
> predicable, i mean, consistent. :-)  i bought my copy of "inn trouble" from
> wolfe video <http://www.wolfevideo.com> a couple of weeks ago, very video
> store feature gay films... it was cheap, $20 or less.  you can probably
> also rent it from your neighborhood women's bookstore if you're lucky
> enough to have one.
>
> i first saw the flick at the dc gay film festival a couple of years ago,
> and was pleasantly surprised to find some atlanta familiars involved!  i'm
> looking forward to watching it again when i get a chance, but free time has
> been rare for me lately.
>
> >but i just want to watch it.  curious about cooper yah know?!
>
> my suggestion is the same as that i would offer with respect to ig cds...
> buy it, rent it, borrow it, ask for it for your preferred winter holiday...
> just don't pirate it!!
>
> ----------
>
> with thanks to those who worked to keep off-list issues off-list --
>
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>  also does anyone have any
>  pets/objects/whatever named after anything ig related?

        my three-month-old kitten is named indigo.  i was going to name
her spark after the tori amos song but the name didn't fit her.  anyway, i
wanted to name her "indigo" more.  and as i like to say, in just the right
light, her fur (which is actually dark grey and black) looks kind of blue.
:) though, gods have mercy, i was about to name her caramia.  or even
worse, i was teetering on naming her virginia woolf . . .

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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"haze all clouded up my mind in the daze of the why it could've never been
so you say and i say you know you're full of wish and your babybabybabybabies
i tell you there's pieces of me you've never seen maybe she's just pieces of
me you've never seen, well . . ."  -- tori amos, "tear in your hand"

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 10:39:45 -0600
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jeez, i'm not doing too well on this!  i just noticed a mistake on my
master.  i'm missing cooper's song "gone again".  i'm so sorry.  i have a
few suggestions on how to remedy this:

1) you can find the song on viva la diva's greatest hits, vol. 1.  it's the
hidden, 11th track.
2) you can hear the version i chose on eddie's attic 1/22/94
3) return the tape to me and i'll put it on the end

if anyone has ideas on how i can provide this song as a soundclip
(.wav,.ram, whatever) please let me know.

again, my apologies!!


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        hi folks...your slightly disppointed list owner is back in town....and...

        due to your inability to effectively refrain from incessantly posting all
sorts of non-indigo girls related topics, i find it necessary to implement
a penalty system based upon the guidelines in the list faq.     i am sure
none of us would like to see this list become a moderated forum where
everything passes through an editor, so this is my solution for now.

        everyone will be subject to a three strike rule.  if you break a guideline
from the list faq
(ie, flaming publicly, "me too" posts, forwarding private email of any
nature, etc...) that is considered a strike and i will notify you of that
privately.
        if you collect three strikes within a one month period, you will be
suspended from the list for a two week period.  everyone's slate will be
wiped clean at the end of the month unless you continually ignore the list
faq.  if this occurs, then your tally will remain open for an undetermined
amount of time.
        if you are suspended from the list three times, you will be deleted from
the list for a minimum of three months.
        the intent of the 3 strikes is to reduce the excess traffic that has been
so prevalent lately.  i am hoping to encourage everyone to think before you
post!
        if you do not have a copy of the list faq, go to the web site below or
email me and i will send you one.  ignorance of the contents of the list
faq is no excuse.

        i welcome and encourage your thoughts on this new policy...but do so
privately.

                                jen

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 09:05:35 -0800
reply-to:     tracy & the swamp dogs <clumber@bigfoot.com>
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dunno how many on this list were also on it back when i posted the below...
but tonight/this morning while i was reminiscing through very old stuff i
found it, and in light of recent events here on the list, thought i would
repost it.  it applies as much now, or more, as it did then.  kim?  hope
you don't mind that since we switched sides of the continent, you can takes
the easterners this time and i'll take the westerns, k?

>date: wed, 24 apr 1996 18:53:39  <--- wow, eh?
>to: post - indigo girls
>from: "tracy et. al."
>subject: form two lines, y'all

alright everyone... this has gone far enough!  effective immediately y'all
are required to form two lines as follows:  kim will take on the western
half of n. america (tho she is currently unaware of this, so be nice to
her), whilst i will take on the eastern half plus any and all non-n.
american listers with accents... however, those w/ accents will
additionally be required to read to me.... anything...    but i digress.
        i am announcing the distribution of the *official* ig-lister "paper
bag".  yes, for as long as we'all seem to need it, kim and i will
distribute and instruct y'all in the proper use of this tool.  when y'all
read something that gets your hackles up do not ~repeat~ do not reach for
your keyboard, but insted for the official ig-l paper bag!  place bag
firmly but gently over your nose and mouth, then breathe deeply (being
careful not to exhale so vehemently as to *break* paper bag, after all -
consider the forests!) there - now don't you feel better?
        an added bonus of the ig-lister paper bag - you can write your own
favorite quote on it!

celebrate our differences!

-------------
nuff said.

tracy - still a lurker by trade

tracy
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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 12:17:25 est
reply-to:     gitroop@aol.com
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i sent them all out this morning.  if for some reason i accidentally missed
you, let me know ;)
de colores,
trooper

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 11:20:41 -0600
reply-to:     sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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i didn't get my .wav clip.  thanks!


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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 12:23:34 +0000
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        please send all replies, comments and questions regarding the southpark
wav clip to the original poster..."<erin tripp>" <gitroop@aol.com>

                thanks!

                        jen

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 12:40:22 -0500
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ok - i'm in. one of my dogs has an ig-inspired name.....ginny (her akc
papers list her as ...virginia woof).


nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 12:08:32 -0800
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subject:      nigc:  3 finger cowboy! help pls!
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hey yall -

3 finger cowboy will be in buffalo, ny this friday at the show place
theater.  (opening for fastball) - does anyone know *where* this place
is??  can ya help me out?  and...do ya need tickets to get in or is it
a pay at the door kind of thang??

any help would be greatly appreciated - pls email me privately!

thanks -
sunny

ps - you can listen to 3fc at the daemon site right now...pretty
good...im psyched.

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 15:17:56 -0600
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a few weeks ago there was a question about a video called, "what's the
buzz?" that was supposed to be released a couple of years ago.  there was a
preview for it at the end of the jcs video.  i sent email to daemon asking
about it.  i just got the reply.  unfortunately, it was never released and
it doesn't look like it will be.  just thought those interested in the
question would like to know the answer.  sorry i don't have better news.


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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 18:08:53 -0500
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hey all.
i'm posting this again 'cause the other one was from
my work addy & now i'm home.

does anyone have info for the daemon showcase in nyc on thursday?
i know it's at the baggot inn.  are tickets limited?  how much?  etc.
etc.

also, if anyone needs a ride or wants to go together email me.  i'd hate
to go
alone to the city at night.
okay..thanks.

jami

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 19:37:42 -0500
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has anyone gheard from him latley? im waiting on some boots from him

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on mon, 2 nov 1998, intractable spice wrote:

> this list is a self-sustaining, self-governing community.
> i believe that we should decide what goes.  (*who* wrote up the faq
> anyways?).

   uhhh...me too.  oops, that was a strike.

   damn.  oops.  that was another strike fer cussin'.

   count me out.

   darius

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 19:27:04 -0800
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hey ya'll, sorry if this has already been reported, but bob masse (the
poster artist, you may have seen his many tori amos, fiona apple, or
stevie nicks posters) is currently working on a women in rock poster,
it features a goddess and all kinds of different symbols around her.
around the edge of the poster are names of women in rock like sarah
mclachlan, alanis morisette, etc.
i went to see a picture of this, and what immediately caught my eye
was the fact that the first name on this poster, at the top left hand
corner is: indigo girls!!!!!!!!!
the first thing your eyes falls on is the girls. how fitting! check it
out :)
http://www.visualgallery.com/wir/wir_large.jpg

*hugs*

lamia


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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 22:34:29 -0500
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kind friends...

in the late 60's and early 70's, i demonstrated against the war in viet nam
and protested against the evils censorship. my hippie dippie daze are but a
memory now... i still deplore war and violence, but i have mixed emotions
concerning freedom of speech. the keyboard is mightier than the sword, and
free speech can be a double-edged sword. i never realized until last week
how vulnerable we all are, powerless to stop personal attacks...  so it
seems reasonable to expect that we be accorded some protection from hurtful
posts...  perhaps the pros outweigh the cons.. i do not know what the answer
is...  i have great faith in the wisdom and integrity of my fellow
listees...   y'all figger it out and lemme know...

please remember tomorrow is election day ~ don't forget to cast your votes
for jill certo ~ she kicks butt!

luv, bar

psst...  darius' post cracked me up!  thanks fer the chuckle.. :)


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on mon, 2 nov 1998, * bar * wrote:

> i still deplore war and violence, but i have mixed emotions concerning
> freedom of speech. the keyboard is mightier than the sword, and free
> speech can be a double-edged sword. i never realized until last week
> how vulnerable we all are, powerless to stop personal attacks...

   along with free speech, we must also strive for responsible speech.
does that mean that we have to be right all the time?  nope.  does that
mean that we can't be goofy or silly?  i hope not.  but it means that we
should try to be the best people we can be.  and viciously attacking other
people ain't a part of that.
   most of it is simple respect - if you have a problem with somebody,
take it to a private forum.  if you feel like flaming somebody, don't do
it to the list.
   if you hear of an anti-somebody list, why do you need to say anything?
does the matter concern you, and are you helping the situation or making
it worse?  i bet some people are creating an anti-darius list as i type,
but i don't give a flying fakhruddin, so don't bore me with the details.
   i, for one, think we should try to be a self-governing body.  if stuff
gets out of control, then matters should be discussed -- but we've done
pretty well so far - sherlyn was always great about saying, "hey guys,
tone it down," if things started getting silly, and i bet jen will do just
as good a job.
   but i implore y'all, let's not have any jackboots or baseball
references, ok?  "3 strikes" is for felons, and none of us (well, maybe
that demi666 or whatever kiddo) are felons...  ;)

   darius

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 22:51:08 -0500
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i was looking for a reason to procrastinate more instead of doing
homework, so i was leafing through my roomates old magazine "sports for
women 12/97" and there is a page in the back linking musicians and
athletes, in a sorta 6* of seperation type thing, and who should appear
right between muhammad ali and martina navratilova, but the girls!!!!  :)
it says that those are the girls fav. athletes....
i love finding indigo refrences in random places..
so i figured ya'll are the only ones who could understand my joy!!
:) smiles
sarah


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   #    have hate, i will turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger,
  _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
/ o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
'---'  a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will love.
and i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."  -amy ray

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 22:57:34 est
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<< the intent of the 3 strikes is to reduce the excess traffic that has been
so prevalent lately.  i am hoping to encourage everyone to think before you
post! >>

since this was posted publicly, perhaps a public response is not totally out
of order.....

perhaps you would care to be more specific about the types of posts that you
find disturbing enough to warrant a royal decree???

it seems to me that the list has been operating quite well as a whole without
any major intervention.....

it always seems to me that the ones who scream the loudest about nigc are the
ones who rarely contribute anything of substance other than the occasional
strident complaint.....

even the best threads wear thin at times.....no offense intended to anyone,
but after reading a dozen 12 bests or 5 worsts, they tend to get repetitious
and i tend to delete en masse.....probably missing some interesting reading in
the process....

because of the nature of the girls themselves, the things they stand for, and
the complex nature of their music, the content of the list often veers onto
tangential issues such as the matt shepard tragedy....to my mind this is one
of the list's greatest strengths.....

another great strength is the sense of community created among the
members.....a heavy-handed implementation of arbitrary punishments will serve
only to weaken and possibly even destroy the list....

you have been entrusted with something that is very special to me and many
others.....a list which bears a significance far beyond a mere fan
club.....please take your own advice.....

respectfully,
tim baldwin  aka lythande99

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 23:05:25 -0500
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i had 2 lovely lizards named amy and emily.  sadly, they died earlier this
school year...:(  i did want to name my cat an ig related name, but
nothing really fit her, so i opted for frisco-chun with the nickname of
nyanya-chun (loooong story there...)
:-) karen

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 23:12:45 -0500
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um...my car's name is indi....does that count?  =)

sharon

indigo head wrote:

> i had 2 lovely lizards named amy and emily.  sadly, they died earlier this
> school year...:(  i did want to name my cat an ig related name, but
> nothing really fit her, so i opted for frisco-chun with the nickname of
> nyanya-chun (loooong story there...)
> :-) karen

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okay, first strike for me.

i aggree with everything tim said in his post everything

i feel like we have been slapped on the hands for being naughty children and
dammit if i was list moderator i'd have probably posted something similar, but 3
strikes and your out?  freedom of speech?

gimme a break.

oh shoot, strike 2

love,  karen

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without any major intervention.....
it always seems to me that the ones who scream the loudest about nigc =
are the ones who rarely contribute anything of substance other than the =
occasional strident complaint.....>>

darius wrote:
<<i, for one, think we should try to be a self-governing body.  if stuff =
gets out of control, then matters should be discussed -- but we've done =
pretty well so far - sherlyn was always great about saying, "hey guys, =
tone it down," if things started getting silly, >>

bar wrote:
<<please remember tomorrow is election day ~ don't forget to cast your =
votes for jill certo ~ she kicks butt!>>

me too!

aw shit, that's strike one.  oh hell, i cussed.  strike two.  oh, and =
while i'm at it, an extra-long copying of everyone else's posts must be =
strike three.   see y'all in two weeks!!! :o)

~~jennifer
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
too many hands on my time, too many feelings
too many things on my mind
when i leave i don't know what i'm hoping to find
when i leave i don't know what i'm leaving behind...
  ~~neil peart
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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 23:56:41 -0500
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oh my gawd!!!
trace... i'm so glad you found that wunnerful post... lol!!!!
puts me in mind of the ol' grapenuts etc silliness... what a blast way on
back when:-) the 24th of april, 1996???i can't believe we've been doing this
"posting thang" for so long!!! and we met here too... now that's gotta say
something for the power o' good that can come out of this here indigo-girls
list:-)
peace... kim ( in the east now, and happily getting ready to hand out the
handy-dandy, you'd best use this if'n yer riled + hyperventilating, list
paper bags!! yeee hawww!!! )

my good bud, ( who i met during a flame war on this list )tracy wrote:

>bag".  yes, for as long as we'all seem to need it, kim and i will
>distribute and instruct y'all in the proper use of this tool.  when y'all
>read something that gets your hackles up do not ~repeat~ do not reach for
>your keyboard, but insted for the official ig-l paper bag!  place bag
>firmly but gently over your nose and mouth, then breathe deeply (being
>careful not to exhale so vehemently as to *break* paper bag, after all -
>consider the forests!) there - now don't you feel better?
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>due to your inability to effectively refrain from incessantly posting
all
>sorts of non-indigo girls related topics...
why are we being spoken to like we're children? there is a distinct
power disparity apparent in the tone of these words, one which disturbs
me.  we are all listees here.  no one is in charge of any other one or
on a higher plane. ergo, no one listee should be in a power position
where they can chastise their peers such as this.


>i find it necessary to implement
>a penalty system based upon the guidelines in the list faq.
i do not think this is necessary.  the list had a very tense time, but
we all fought to keep on task so as to not let the list go to hell.  you
entirely bypassed our efforts.  this list is cyclical... there's periods
of nigc, then periods of lots of igc.  right now, there are no tours to
talk about, no new album to discuss, no girls' activism in the spotlight
for us to ponder.  there's nothing going *on*, plain and simple, to our
eyes.  so we're gonna waver off igc somewhat right now.  but it is not a
permanent thing.


>none of us would like to see this list become a moderated forum where
>everything passes through an editor, so this is my solution for now.
this "solution" is indeed an editor of sorts.  it isn't censoring the
posts themselves.  no, it's intervening even before that: it's censoring
our actions.  we've been told what we are "allowed" to post.  of course,
you haven't directly *said* "you may not post tangential igc."  you've
said "*if* you post anything other than pure igc, you will be punished."
this is simple classical conditioning, one of the most basest forms of
learning.  this is used with animals. small children. simple minded
people who cannot understand morals and value and judgement.  this is
downright insulting.  by telling us we'll be *punished* for posting
certain things (even if these certain things might be beneficial/of
interest/related to this list), you're essentially taking away our
decision to choose what we will and will not post.

>i am hoping to encourage everyone to think before you
>post!
we won't be thinking now.  the thinking has already been done for us, it
seems.

i think another alternative should be in order.
this list is a self-sustaining, self-governing community.
i believe that we should decide what goes.  (*who* wrote up the faq
anyways?).  if this is *our* list, for *our* benefit, then we should
*all* come to some arrangement whereby we can keep the igc flowing
without *censoring* our thoughts and actions like this.  we should go as
far as to take the concept of a democracy very literally.  our fearful
leader is here to make rules that will benefit us all.  and, should
these laws not benefit, we should have the right to change them and
override this ruling, if it comes to that.  now, i'm not preaching
anarchy.  but i *am* preaching self-government, not a dictatorship.

jill


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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 00:21:52 -0500
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on tue, 3 nov 1998, analog kid wrote:

> aw shit, that's strike one.  oh hell, i cussed.  strike two.  oh, and
> while i'm at it, an extra-long copying of everyone else's posts must be
> strike three.   see y'all in two weeks!!! :o)

   you guys are going to get me assassinated for civil disobedience...
but it's oh so fun...  :)

   darius

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well, many are unhappy with the new posting rules.  so, what should we do?
complain publicly and add me too's? or, address the list police who
established these rules?  from what i recall, there was a request for comments
and/or feedback on the post announcing the three strike policy.
lynn

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for the love of god, someone *order* me to write my
paper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

oh yeah, and i love the indigo girls.  (me too!)  (me too!)

shannon

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i try hard to stay out of any and all public debates, but it's getting kinda
hard.
        i have found that lately people seem to be misinterpreting *alot* of what is
being said around here.  i know that i am a mere *newbie*, but i support jen
and what she is doing, in that someone has to be in control, lest we all
become obnoxious.
        perhaps we don't agree with the new *policy*, and we all will not agree,
after all there are about 800 of us, but being sarcastic and rude toward the
list owner is not going to settle the disagreement either.  it only creates
war, and i don't think there are many people here that want or feel we need
another war.
        nigc is not really an issue, everyone knows that at times there will be nigc.
if there was never supposed to be any nigc, we wouldn't even have that term.
but someone has stated that in an entire month of digests, there was only one
worthwhile post of igc to respond.  everyone's idea of worthwhile content is
going to be different, but that seems a bit ridiculous.
        maybe a self-governing body is what we need, but i don't know how that would
work.  i do know that i enjoy the list and i think that the threads that have
begun in the last week or two have been interesting, as i think alot of people
feel.  (evidenced by the number of listees coming out of lurkdom to
comment....)  we aren't going to get any where by taking sides or arguing
about our differing opinions.  with this many people, it's taken for granted
that we will disagree.  how about some positive suggestions or alternatives?
.....just my two cents,
        nyka
p.s.  i welcome any and all flames, but lets spare the other listees and keep
it private, please.

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date:         mon, 2 nov 1998 22:36:12 -0800
reply-to:     monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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why are we bitching about the list posting rules? please read highlights below,
they're really not so bad:

use private email where appropriate
mark non-indigo girls-related messages "nigc"
do not post gossip about amy and emily
think before you flame, and if you must flame, use private email
do not forward private email to the list
avoid "me too!" posts
avoid hoax emails, cross-posts, chain letters, etc
ignore spam or reply to original poster, not to the list
compile survey responses via private email, summarize results to the list

mary hannon said:
nigc is not really an issue, everyone knows that at times there will be nigc.
if there was never supposed to be any nigc, we wouldn't even have that term.

bingo! why are we bringing up that red herring again about nigc? there's always
been nigc on the list and always will be. you'll probably have a hard time finding
anyone complaining about nigc that's funny or thoughtful, but you will make many
hundreds of people very happy by helping cut down on flaming of any type on the
list, and the sending of contentless me too posts.
oh and please remember, the content of the posts does not in any way reflect the
majority of opinions on the list. only the opinions of the folks who post. on this
thread, you can guess who's going to come out and flame against the new rules when
we've been asked to send private feedback.

re: the bag thing, while you're waiting for your bag, one option is using one of
these little keychain devices for zapping annoying drivers. if you feel the urge
to flame, use one instead. particularly suited for the action women and men among
us, for whom hitting the delete key just does not do it. a trekkie friend of mine
is using a star trek themed one and she swears by it... no pun intended ;). all
the satisfaction of responding appropriately and none of the high blood pressure.

and since i'll probably get toasted by the self-government proponents on one hand
for opposing free speech, and by jen for adding to this o so peaceful discussion,
let me inject some igc: i've found out something that might be of interest to some
of you who are looking for ig posters. when ig cds come out, epic sends posters to
record stores. there's a reasonable chance that if you ask your neighborhood
record store, they might have some in the back. the local palo alto record store
still had some sos posters this past week-end.


good luck, and please be kind, if you must flame, do it by private email,

monique

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mary,

perhaps you weren't offended by the "big sister" tone (and i mean that in
a george orwellian sense, not the girl scout sense) our new list manager
took with this 800+ people list.  as someone who very rarely ever posts,
even *i* was offended by her tone.  we aren't children, and we don't
deserve to be condescended to in such a manner.  after the gentle and
effective rule of our previous list owner, this set of "rules" is
downright dicatorial in tone and attitude.  and i for one don't like it,
and as a memeber of this list i see no problem with letting the list owner
know i don't like it.  i responded to her privately, but have received no
response as of yet.  if the response is full of the same attitude as her
"rules" posting...i'm outta here.  and i have a feeling a whole lot of
people will be going with me.

just my two cents.
amy

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hey folks,

darius said:
> pretty well so far - sherlyn was always great about saying, "hey guys,
> tone it down," if things started getting silly, and i bet jen will do just

but, quite frankly, i was feeling pretty damn ineffectual
during the last few months - everything i posted was being
pretty much ignored.  that is pretty much the reason that
i decided i didn't want to do it any more.

-sherlyn
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okay, i'm not sure if that's the right number of metas.

i have to admit that i was at least as surprised by the somewhat strident tone of the
recent announcement of our listowner as i am pleased at all the goodhearted listees
coming out of lurkdom to say one thing or another which, when boiled down to the
essential, is nothing more or less than "i care about our list and i don't want it
hurt." <is that the longest sentence ever on the list?>

the list as a whole has tended to be a self-correcting community and on the whole i trust
it to perpetuatue itself, but there is a certain "isolation that a leader often faces," a
fear that the person in charge alone can feel when things seem to be about to go smash
and there's no correction in sight or it doesn't seem to be enough and you're just not
_sure_.

so let's all forgive jen if she offended us, since if we were offended we probably
weren't the ones causing stress. if we just proceed with respect and a sense of fun i
think all will be well.

as for the state of the list just now, here's a historical analogy:
in the second world war, the germans captured (without fighting) some tiny british
islands in the english channel. the islands were the only piece of "british" soil hitler
had captured, so he had these poor, unstrategic little islands crammed with troops, guns,
landmines, etc. of course, there was just nothing for the troops to do. the islands had
nothing but potato farms and dairy farms. five suicides a month some months in the
garrison, and no r-and-r and no leave. the inhabitants of the islands likewise were bored
out of their gizzards. little electricity for lights, no radios allowed, every book in
the library already read, no real leisure activites, short food and a whole bunch of very
bored armend werhmacht running about.

what happened? the crime rate went through the roof, citizens kept informing on one
another, depression was epidemic, and everyone was heartily glad when a and e went on
tour and gave them something to talk about again.

okay, the last sentence is not historically accurate.

plainly said, i am sure we are all just a little stir crazy right now--look at me, i'm
reading a history of the channel islands, for heaven's sake! and i'm sure we'll all pull
together once the waiting is over again.

a little respect, a little courtesly, a lot of indigo!
tony

p.s. really nigc: has anyone tried indigo hills wine? what did they think?

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nyka said:
<<but someone has stated that in an entire month of digests, there was only
one
worthwhile post of igc to respond. >>

        i'm not sure what month this is referring to, but as jill wrote, there's no
real ig activity at the moment; no new cd yet, no released up-and-coming tour
dates, not much of anything right now.  it's the slow season...as soon as the
girls release their next anxiously awaited cd, or tour dates i'm sure the nigc
will subside.  so, tough it out guys and please relax a little.

        jennifer belton

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 09:28:49 +0000
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oh wow, my least favourite ig song... i think it has to be intimate
strangers but only because it's the only mediocre song on their best album
(in my opinion:).
five songs i'd like to see them play live. well, i've never seen ig live
(gasp! horror! well, i live in scotland) so -

language or the kiss
world falls
mystery
fugitive
closer to fine

conventional or what? oh well...

and for the star thingy, well i'm sure it's been mentioned, but i love
"i'm laughing, cos i'm under a starry sky" from world falls.

sharon

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 12:03:49 -0800
reply-to:     michal rogson <starr@netvision.net.il>
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monique barbanson wrote:

> and since i'll probably get toasted by the self-government proponents on one hand
> for opposing free speech, and by jen for adding to this o so peaceful discussion,
> let me inject some igc: i've found out something that might be of interest to some
> of you who are looking for ig posters. when ig cds come out, epic sends posters to
> record stores. there's a reasonable chance that if you ask your neighborhood
> record store, they might have some in the back. the local palo alto record store
> still had some sos posters this past week-end.

i just wanted to comment that i actually tried this at a borders before i left the
states (two days before, actually... can we say, desperation??! ;) i saw posters that
are basically the cover of the blue ep just bigger (ack!) so i asked the manager about
'em... he said that epic usually comes by to pick up any extras, and that the ones
that are up there already are glued on so majorly that they're just shreds by the time
you've ripped em off... so no luck there.  i hope the rest of you have more luck than
po' little indigo-pictureless me.... <sob, sob, sniffle sniffle> <beg beg?!! ;)>

> good luck, and please be kind, if you must flame, do it by private email,

and y'know, i just wanted to mention that i've been on for eight months, now, and i
still ain't been flamed (that i *recall* anyway, tho' maybe i've just got a selective
memory... or hell's bells, maybe i'm just a non-controversial poster... which would be
a new role for me...) so.... how come none of you are flaming me, huh?  is there some
flame club i'm sposed to join?  i feel so... rejected... left out... i mean, sheesh,
i'm not going to start *insulting* people just to get flamed... can't y'all be a
little more creative with getting insulted?  cuz man, you're *hurting* me here by
being so damn nice and mature and sweet and interesting all the time...that's right,
i'm talking to all you listees who've been so nice to me all this time...
yeah, all 800 of you....
nuff said?
;)

and you know, this post raises an interesting question with regard to sigc and the new
policy - like, would sigc be counted as a half strike, cuz there's some redeeming
material?  it strikes me that even were we to institute such a policy, which frankly i
am against, but i think majority list will should rule (like maybe we take a vote or
something?  would that mean we get to lobby?  and then start buying off voters?  and
getting all sick and twisted, like the world of politics tends to get?  and then start
complaining about the justice system?  would we have a jury of our peers? do we even
*believe* in that anymore?  oh man, there i go on my anarchist tirade again.. someone
shut me up... if anyone in law school caught on that i'm an anti-law, anti-politics,
anti-structure individualist anarchist, i wonder what would happen....) anyhow, as i
was saying before my mind began to meander in the most annoying way, even if we *were*
to institute the new system, i think it would have to be a lot more fleshed out and
specific as to what would constitute "strike-worthy" material, etc...

someone wrote suggesting that we try to come up with alternative solutions, or flesh
out this "self-government" idea... anyone out there trying?
i'll be thinking about it.
but so far, my vote's on the handy-dandy ig paper-bag.  you can hyperventilate in it,
and still use it to pack your lunches.... !!

peace and harmony and truth and love and patience and kindness and understanding and
chocolate
michal

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 03:07:33 pst
reply-to:     lyndsay agans <eccemus@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         lyndsay agans <eccemus@hotmail.com>
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i've been hip to the record store poster deal for quite a while, and
luckily the manager at my haunt of choice knows of my affinity for
things 'indigo'. i managed to score a shaming of the sun poster last
year and this year happily passed it along to a shameless hussy (just
kidding lyn) who managed to steal my heart away. it is now proudly
displayed on a dorm room wall at towson university. it's usually worth
all the begging and pleading (the poster, not the girl!!).

>date:  tue, 3 nov 1998 12:03:49 -0800
>reply-to: michal rogson <starr@netvision.net.il>
>from:  michal rogson <starr@netvision.net.il>
>subject:      re: ig posters and....
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>monique barbanson wrote:
>
>> and since i'll probably get toasted by the self-government proponents
on one hand
>> for opposing free speech, and by jen for adding to this o so peaceful
discussion,
>> let me inject some igc: i've found out something that might be of
interest to some
>> of you who are looking for ig posters. when ig cds come out, epic
sends posters to
>> record stores. there's a reasonable chance that if you ask your
neighborhood
>> record store, they might have some in the back. the local palo alto
record store
>> still had some sos posters this past week-end.
>
>i just wanted to comment that i actually tried this at a borders before
i left the
>states (two days before, actually... can we say, desperation??! ;) i
saw posters that
>are basically the cover of the blue ep just bigger (ack!) so i asked
the manager about
>'em... he said that epic usually comes by to pick up any extras, and
that the ones
>that are up there already are glued on so majorly that they're just
shreds by the time
>you've ripped em off... so no luck there.  i hope the rest of you have
more luck than
>po' little indigo-pictureless me.... <sob, sob, sniffle sniffle> <beg
beg?!! ;)>
>
>> good luck, and please be kind, if you must flame, do it by private
email,
>
>and y'know, i just wanted to mention that i've been on for eight
months, now, and i
>still ain't been flamed (that i *recall* anyway, tho' maybe i've just
got a selective
>memory... or hell's bells, maybe i'm just a non-controversial poster...
which would be
>a new role for me...) so.... how come none of you are flaming me, huh?
is there some
>flame club i'm sposed to join?  i feel so... rejected... left out... i
mean, sheesh,
>i'm not going to start *insulting* people just to get flamed... can't
y'all be a
>little more creative with getting insulted?  cuz man, you're *hurting*
me here by
>being so damn nice and mature and sweet and interesting all the
time...that's right,
>i'm talking to all you listees who've been so nice to me all this
time...
>yeah, all 800 of you....
>nuff said?
>;)
>
>and you know, this post raises an interesting question with regard to
sigc and the new
>policy - like, would sigc be counted as a half strike, cuz there's some
redeeming
>material?  it strikes me that even were we to institute such a policy,
which frankly i
>am against, but i think majority list will should rule (like maybe we
take a vote or
>something?  would that mean we get to lobby?  and then start buying off
voters?  and
>getting all sick and twisted, like the world of politics tends to get?
and then start
>complaining about the justice system?  would we have a jury of our
peers? do we even
>*believe* in that anymore?  oh man, there i go on my anarchist tirade
again.. someone
>shut me up... if anyone in law school caught on that i'm an anti-law,
anti-politics,
>anti-structure individualist anarchist, i wonder what would happen....)
anyhow, as i
>was saying before my mind began to meander in the most annoying way,
even if we *were*
>to institute the new system, i think it would have to be a lot more
fleshed out and
>specific as to what would constitute "strike-worthy" material, etc...
>
>someone wrote suggesting that we try to come up with alternative
solutions, or flesh
>out this "self-government" idea... anyone out there trying?
>i'll be thinking about it.
>but so far, my vote's on the handy-dandy ig paper-bag.  you can
hyperventilate in it,
>and still use it to pack your lunches.... !!
>
>peace and harmony and truth and love and patience and kindness and
understanding and
>chocolate
>michal
>
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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 07:52:33 -0500
reply-to:     darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
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from:         darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
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while i admit that the tone of the message was a bit...harsh, i think that
those of you who are upset about these new policies should think about
what she's saying...they basically get down to "let's stick to the rules.
if you ignore the rules too much, then you will be asked/told to leave."

why is this a bad thing?  now, you might disagree with some of the rules,
but by joining the list you tacitly (if not explicitly) agreed to follow
the rules that we (meaning the people on the list years ago) said.  now,
you might think that some of these rules seem too inflexible, but let me
point out that they have changed significantly over the years.  people
always got grouchy about nigc, but there was a time not too long ago that
mentioning the word "lesbian" on the list got you yelled at for
speculating on their private lists.  as they have changed so have we, and
so have the rules.  furthermore, don't complain about teh new policies
just because you don't like individual guidelines.  those are spearet
issues, and you shoudl treat them as such...

as i've suggested in the past, if you like the idea of a place where nigc
can completely run rampant, join another list.  for the most part, we are
cyclical and even i understand that.

i like this list too much, and have been getting so frustrated lately,
that something needed to change...let's see if these new guidleines help.

darren

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 08:19:17 -0500
reply-to:     "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
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i have been reading the posts, and i can't say i disagree.  you can't
really ever have a pure form of anything.  we are all individuals and what
makes the girls important to me may not be the same reason for everything
else.  i can say for myself that the girls are connected to many other
things in my life and when i talk about them, or their music, or their
activism - other things come into play.  i don't even think about
censoring myself in my every day - i'm certainly not going to do it here.

i don't like being talked down to, or feeling like that is happening
(which i do).  i will not think before i post anymore than i have - i'll
simply choose not to post if these rules do become implemented.  why?
because the people that have gone before me, before all of us, in every
facet of history, has fought against censorship - fought for freedom of
speech, and our rights to do what we like, so long as we do not hurt
others.  we're still trying to strike down laws that make no sense.  but i
thought we had gotten past trying to limit each other.

it seems a shame that while the girls encourage expression, there are
actually people out there who want to stop that.
shame on you.

--audra


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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 09:32:31 -0500
reply-to:     bethany ward <bethany_ward@email.msn.com>
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from:         bethany ward <bethany_ward@email.msn.com>
subject:      re: why an ig fan?
x-to:         "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>

how superficial is this?   i bought the album because i saw the video and
thought the "dark-haired one" was cool looking.  it just so happens when i
listened to it...she sounded pretty cool too.
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date: saturday, october 31, 1998 8:14 am
subject: why an ig fan?


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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 06:30:58 -0800
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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at the risk of earning the wrath of some, i am going to post some two
cents here.

this list has been around in some incarnation since 1990.  i joined in
september in that year.  i've seen endless cycles of flamewars,
discussed and re-discussed topics (ad nauseum) etc etc.  having
been on the net for 8-9 years as well, i've been on many many lsits
covering a wide variety of topics.

aside from the sheer volume change of users here (there were 200
or less on the list in the early 90's) there has been one other
significant change which has made this list so dramatically
different from when it began.  that, quite simply, is nigc.

in my opinion, nigc for *this* list does not mean "i'm going to
tell 800 people what i had for breakfast, or about my random
weirdness of the day" etc.  nigc is off topic but related stuff
like "hey gang, come is on tour..go see them" or "shawn mullins
is on the radio again!"  or "daemon news".  you know what i mean?
off topic but relevant to the theme of the list which is music
news especially involving indigo girls, but also involving
other musicians in their realm.  if you wanna talk about something
else in your day, great.  there are other lsits out there for that.
this is not one of them.  and before you jsut tell me to get
used to my delete key, i am quite used to it, thanks. i *have*
been on email for years.  off topic posts, not a problem.
but just because ig arent on tour, dont have an album out, etc
doesnt mean we have to fill the list with *something*.  the
main difference between this list, today, and other music lists
i am on, is that on other lists, if there is no relevant or
semi-relevant stuff going on, people jsut dont post.  if you
feel badly if you dont have e-mail in your box, this isnt the list
to just fill that box.  there are gazillions of lists out on the
net.  finding some designed for jsut conversation wouldnt be all
that hard.

i do realize that this list has created many pockets of people
who have become close, and that is one of the wonders and great
pluses of e-mail.  i applaud that.  but that doesnt mean that
this large forum of people want to hear all of the interactions
within those groups.  it's a piece of cake to create one's own list
for anyone of their choosing (as we have seen, tragically, recently).
if you wanna have chat sessions with your pals, it may be better
to create your own forum for that and keep this list for what it
is for...the love of indigo girls and the other music to which we
have been introduced thanks to them.

i'm done.  wanna flame me...do it privately.

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pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 10:08:37 -0500
reply-to:     indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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from:         indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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hey y'all,
i heard that shawn mullins song on the radio.  at the risk of sounding
like a freak, what is the big deal?  i didn't like the song all that much.
so can some of you who like him e-mail me privately (wouldn't want to
start a nigc discussion...), and tell me what the big deal is.  also, does
he have any connection to the indigo girls?  thanks y'all!
love,
karen :-)

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 08:06:14 -0800
reply-to:     monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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from:         monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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> the local palo alto record store
> > still had some sos posters this past week-end.
>
> i just wanted to comment that i actually tried this at a borders before i left the
> states

i assume more folks than just michal are interested so here's a tip: i would try a
non-chain store (like the one i went to). forget about borders, tower etc...think mom and
pop neighborhood record store. you might even start patronizing them now and finding out
about their freebie poster policy ahead of time to score a poster of the next cd. not
guaranteed to work, and possibly a bit machiavellic, but if it's that or the ig poster
deprivation syndrome and years of psychotherapy, it could be worth it.

cheers,

monique

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 11:59:36 +0000
reply-to:     j lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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        hi folks...

        many people have had a great deal to say about the new posting guidelines,
both publicly and privately.  the seemingly "sudden action" of adding a 3
strike policy may seem harsh to some, but the bottom line is that this list
has had the tendency to get off track (more frequently in the past several
months than ever before).  when i decided to take over the list from
sherlyn, it was because i did not want to see the list and all it's
original intentions end.  and that is very well what could have happened.
we need to remember this list serves a community of 600+, considerably
larger than those who actually post.  the point is this:

        "the indigo girls mailing list is a fan forum devoted to discussion of
        the music of the indigo girls and related artists.  all are welcome,
        and we strive to maintain a friendly, flame-free atmosphere."

        taken alone, this leaves a lot of interpretation, which is why the posting
guidelines (list faq) were established by the list a few years ago.

        "5.1. why do we need posting guidelines at all?

        the posting guidelines are intended to help keep the list "on track".
        always remember that the purpose of the list is to provide a forum
        in which fans can discuss the music of the indigo girls.  please be
        considerate and keep the posting guidelines in mind when posting to
        the list."

        here is where the problems have begun.  the posting guidelines seem to
have become an option in the past several months to a point where the list
community itself is no longer able to keep the list "on track" at times.
as darren glass stated earlier, by joining this list you do assume a
responsibility to abide by the list's posting guidelines.
        the 3 strike policy is not intended to stifle communication as related to
the purpose of this list.  keep in mind that this list is for the
discussion of the indigo girls, related artists, and relevant information
to the music of the girls.  the 3 strikes are intended to prevent weeks of
off-topic debate that no amount of polite requests by the list owners (past
and present), as well as other listees, could put an end to.
        nigc is welcome on this list as dictated by the list faq.  it was not my
intention to imply otherwise.

        5) use private email where appropriate
        remember that the main purpose of the list is to discuss the music of
        the indigo girls, so if your message is private or is not indigo
        girls related, it may not always be appropriate to send it to the
        entire list.

        this does not mean that off-topic discussion is not welcome on the
        list.  on the contrary, sometimes off-topic subjects are interesting
        and even relevant (for example, discussing a local band or looking
        for bootlegs of certain shows).  however, please try to limit
        discussion to subjects that have at least some relevance to the music
        of the indigo girls.

        6) mark non-indigo girls-related messages "nigc"
        if you are sending a message to the list that is not directly indigo
        girls related, you should mark the header "nigc", eg. "looking for ed
        smith (nigc)".  this indicates that your message has no indigo girls
        content.  again, try to limit the discussion to subjects that have at
        least some relevance to the music of indigo girls.

        of course, there are those who will still argue that because they are
members of this community, that what they want to discuss, nigc or not,
should be allowed because of freedom of speech.  i am all for freedom of
speech...but this list has a specific purpose: to discuss the music of the
indigo girls and related subject matter.  as amy putnam stated earlier,
lists are easy enough to set up.  if you would like an open forum to post
whatever you'd like, then you are free to start your own.
        regardless of how previous list owners have maintained this list, i have
chosen to adhere more closely to the faq in order to preserve the original
intent of this list.  it is not my desire to ever use the 3 strike policy,
i just felt the need to establish it.

        thank you all for reading this rather lengthy post.  i hope this provides
some clarification.

                        jen

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reply-to:     cyndi miller <cyndi@together.net>
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from:         cyndi miller <cyndi@together.net>
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today is election day. vote!  and pass this e-mail
on to at least 10 people right now telling them to
vote! if you do pass this on, bill gates will not
send you to disneyland, you will not see virgins
having sex live on the internet, you will not get
life advice from kurt vonnegut, you will not see a
frighteningly life-like dancing baby, hank the angry
drunken dwarf will not win a beauty contest, an ill
child will not be miraculously cured, mrs. fields
won't sell you a $200 cookie recipe, your computer
will not be protected from the all-powerful good
times virus, and you will not wake up 3 days later
in a motel bathtub full of ice... missing a kidney.

but you will help send a message to pro-impeachment,
investigation-addicted, scandal-blinded politicos in
washington that it is time to move on with the business
of the nation.  and, you might even help send some of
them packing for home.

and what will happen to you if you don't vote, and
you don't pass this on?  absolutely nothing.  which
is precisely what will happen with the real, pressing
issues facing our country -- absolutely nothing.

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remember matthew shepard and dr. slepian and all the others who have
been hurt by the homophobic, racist, sexist rhetoric in this country.

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 12:07:17 est
reply-to:     sanawike@aol.com
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from:         sarah wiegmann <sanawike@aol.com>
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hello, all!
       remember that big bumper sticker order thing i was doing?  well, a lot
of people didn't remember and never sent me the money for their stickers!  so,
here is a list of the extras.  they're first come, first serve.  just tell me
what you want and i'll hold them for you.  i'll send them out as soon as i
receive payment.  pricing is as follows:

1 sticker - $1.50
3 or more - $1.25 each
5 or more - $1.00 each
please add 50 cents (per entire order) for postage or send a sase

    breathe
    choice
    come out, come out, wherever you are!
    celebrate diversity
    creative people must be stopped
    dare to think for yourself
    doing my part to piss off the religious right
    eve was framed
    feminism is the radical notion that women are people
    god is coming and is she pissed
    god was my copilot but we crashed in the mountains and i had to eat him
    ginger rogers did everything fred astaire did only backwards and in high
heels!
    humans aren't the only species on earth, we just act like it
    honor treaty rights
    hang up & drive
    i'm pro-choice and i vote
    i brake for amazons
    i don't need therapy i need money
    i can't go to work today the voices said "stay home and clean the guns"
    i believe in life before death
    i'm straight but not narrow
    if you're not outraged, you're not paying attention
    invest in america - buy a congressman
    isis isis ra ra ra
    kill your television
    live simply that others may simply live
    lead, follow, or get out of the way
    love your mother (earth graphic)
    my other car is a broom
    my goddess gave birth to your god
    not all who wander are lost
    oh no!  not another learning experience!
    people are more violently opposed to fur than leather because it's easier
to harass
      rich women than motorcycle gangs
    plants and animals disappear to make room for your fat ass
    question authority
    question reality
    sorry i missed church i've been busy practicing witchcraft and becoming a
lesbian
    "speak your mind, even if your voice shakes."
    save the humans
    subvert the dominant paradigm
    spare the fenders, save the trees, give your sober friend the keys
    treehugger
    to hell with the baptists, i'm going to disneyland
    the truly educated never graduate
    the goddess is alive and magic is afoot
    thelma & louise live
    towanda!
    the road to hell is paved with republicans
    visualise using your turn signals
    where are we going and why am i in this handbasket?
    whatever you do... is it necessary, truthful, and kind?
    witches parking (all others will be toad)
    wild women don't get the blues
    who owns you?
    xena for president
    you cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war
    you can have my gun when you pry it out of my paranoid, mentally
disturbed, physically-abusive, cold, dead hand
    you may say i'm a dreamer, but i'm not the only one
    you nonconformists are all alike

    long, skinny 26" rainbow sticker

    small, bike size stickers:
    girls kick ass
    notice intolerance will not be tolerated
    rainbow flag
    bla bla bla... whatever
    hate your job?  quit!

    window stickers (black and clear):
    celtic knot
    yin yang
    peace symbol

    non-adhesive peace sign window sticker (purple)

that's it!  thanks a lot!  peace, love, and, pies, sarah

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 12:13:59 est
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from:         "e. moranian bolles, the badass lchrn lassie" <wishmonstr@aol.com>
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>>>we aren't children,

well, most of you aren't.  *sigh*
i really miss those days of "grape nuts", etc . . . in april of 1996, i didn't
even own an indigo girls album.  but here was this list, the whole time,
waiting for me.

why are we here?  because we are obsessed with indigo girls!  (if you're not
obsessed, stick around and you will be.)  we're the people who scream when ig
comes over the speakers in a store.  we're the people who drive hours out of
our way to attend concerts we can't afford.  we're the people who slip out of
church to order tickets, pay $50 to meet a & e, send away for info on emory
even though we don't want to go to college in the south, do research reports
on emilio zapata . . . it goes on and on.
as someone pointed out, not a lot is going on right now.  i think a lot of
people have been using poor judgment, but if no one was posting anything . . .
sometimes nigc is welcome relief from the monotony.   i remember a few years
ago there was a huge snow storm in the pnw and millions of people out there
were just posting and posting about what to do with the bubbles from those
little, boot sized padded envelopes.  mindless.  nigc.  funny as anything.
the decree from the almighty list owner reminds me of when the new
superintendent of schools came in, and immediately began eliminating and
changing people's jobs and positions.  while it may have seemed a good idea,
she didn't pause to think maybe she should wait a little before doing such big
things.  i understand all motives behind the post, and frankly the list seems
to have gone to hell in the past few months . . .

so maybe instead of complaining about this 3 strikes thing -- which is sort of
degrading and silly -- we should all step back and suck it up and try to watch
what we post.  because sometimes nigc can be fun.  but all the time nigc can
*ehem* suck big time.

~ elizabeth, reminding y'all to vote vote vote!!!! ('specially democratic)

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 12:18:11 -0500
reply-to:     amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
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from:         amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
subject:      re: read this: changes to posting policies
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whoops, this was supposed to be a private message...ugh, i'm on amy own
comptuer accessing this school account, and it is incredibly slow and
sometimes gives problems, but this is the first time it's ever sent the
mail to the wrong place...

i'm greatly sorry, and embarrased.  i'll have to be very careful from now
on.

amy
:-(

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 12:28:01 est
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grrrrrrrrrrrr............

i'm now in the market for a copy of the "strange fire" songbook for guitar.

will trade for small, brown spotted dog.

~~robin
atlmouse@aol.com

"bad dog
look what you did to the rug
dog bad"    d.c. dog by "betty"

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 15:48:31 -0600
reply-to:     "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
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i want to get rid of a sarah poster.( her hands are above her head and she
has long hair.) if possible i'd like to get a couple of bucks for it. let
me know if you're interested.

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 12:16:30 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hi folks,

this was posted to the newsgroup... please direct all enquiries
to the original sender at bm561@freenet.carleton.ca.  i have no
affiliation, this is just fyi, etc etc etc...

-sherlyn
=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=  a+e=ig
sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au                   [sydney, australia]
"we're born to shimmer, we're born to shine, we're born to radiate.
we're born to live, we're born to love, we're born to never hate..."
                                        - shawn mullins

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subject: fs: indigo girls - mini poster/banner
date: 3 nov 1998 13:20:05 gmt


                indigo girls items - for sale

1/ promotional mini-poster
- 12"h x 24"w (rolled)
- almost more of a mini-banner really.
   heavy, white glossy paper, with blue lettering
   (indigo blue...naturally!).
   reads "indigo girls", printed diagonally, all
   in lower case letter. bottom right corner reads:
   "cbs the music people".
- if memory serves, i believe these were part of
   the promotion for their first, self-titled lp.
- i only have a few of these, all in great shape,
   never used.
- price for each one is $12.00(u.s.), includes
   postage to u.s. or canada. overseas air mail is
   $15.00(u.s.).

2/ also available: very nice indigo girls buttons!
   please e-mail me for complete details on these.

   thanks!  rob
   bm561@freenet.carleton.ca

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 22:33:35 -0500
reply-to:     * lemon drop * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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wwwwhhere's sparky..  if ya have heard from sparkinheimer, please email me.
if you have sparkster's correct addy, please email me.  i tried to use the
addy sparky sent, but it dent work. tanks!

luv, bar

                         peace + love,
                      forever a flower child
                  * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *
   if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
     bcorrice@wam.umd.edu   http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice
          http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice/dir.html
                    * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 22:45:11 -0600
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okay, you are all lovely and wonderful but i've already gotten loads of
responses. if you have already responded, you may still have a chance at
the poster. hang on, i'm contacting people in the order i have received
posts. if i don't hear back, i will contact the next person, etc.

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 22:51:08 -0500
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hey y'all!

just added another page to my web site... check it out...

http://www.geocities.com/heartland/woods/9711/ejs2.html

later,
twink!

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 23:07:57 -0500
reply-to:     indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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so...did anyone dress up as an indigo girl for halloween?
everyone thought i was going to, but my friends and i ended up mocking the
spice girls.  hahaha.  it was great!
maybe next year...
:-) karen

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 23:47:43 est
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i have put up 23 new photos on my ig photo web pages.   these are various
promo shots.   there are some pictures from the 1990 newport, and the 1990
oyster bay show.   as well as some unseen before (at least by *me*) ep promo
photos.

the photo on the first page was taken backstage at the shoreline amphitheatre
during the lilith fair this summer.   the new "old" promo shots have dates on
each of them (if they were known).

to get to the main page, go to:
http://members.aol.com/memememi/indigogirls.html
and click on the various page links from there.

enjoy!
=)
lisa

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 23:33:04 est
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i don't know if this has been mentioned or not, but www2.iprint.com has a lot
of personalized stuff you can make using their clip art, pictures from your
computer, or pictures from the internet.  i don't know the specific url to get
right to that, but there's also an offer now for a free personalized mouse pad
where you just pay shipping ($4.95).  i've never ordered from them before, i
just tried it out, so i don't know how the products are but it's really easy
to do.  so, anyway, if you have any ig pictures or anything, check it out.

love,
alissa

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 00:19:36 est
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i realize that i may be way too late on this one, but i was supposed to order
a t-shirt for one of the listee's who is studying in ireland for two months,
and i kinda dropped the ball...so whoever is in charge, i was just wondering
if it is still possible to order one.  can the person in charge please email
me privately?

thanks a ton,
megan

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 13:08:28 est
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hi, all!
      well, it's that time of year again when i'm broke, which is every time
of year, really, but right now i'm _especially_ broke!  soooo... here's a list
of stuff and prices that can be yours! =)  first come first serve!  e-mail me
and i'll put your name on whatever you want and i'll have it out the very day
i receive payment!  (well, within 2 or 3 days, really, what with the no mail
on sundays thing and my ridiculous work schedule...)

item a) 99x live x cd - includes live version of "shame on you" along with
live versions of songs by other people such as shawn colvin, cake, k's choice,
squirrel nut zippers, fiona apple, etc.  it's $18 because i paid $16 plus tax
and shipping and mailing supplies... maybe you're getting a deal, here! =)

item b) 99x locals only cd - has a bunch of songs by local artists... the
highlight is michelle malone, of course, but other artists include lift, five-
eight, diane durrett, (aka "the melissa etheridge of atlanta") sevendust, 17
years, the lost continentals... it's $10.

item c) both of the above - $25

i have a lot of that stuff, but only one each of these:

1) sister ruby christmas present volume 2 - a collection of local artists
doing christmas stuff.  includes kristen hall, shawn mullins, big fish
ensemble, hootie, etc.  it's used but out of print, so i paid $10 for it.
it's yours for $11 (again, the shipping thing.)

2) "true story" - another local comp featuring billy pilgrim, gerard mchugh,
big fish ensemble, michelle malone, kristen hall, etc.  it's a wonderful cd to
have!  used.  $8

3) catie curtis - "truth from lies" - used. $6

4) david franklin - "bones and all" - great cd by local artist.  includes
guest vocals by kristen hall.  used. $6

5) "stanley, son of theodore" - sampler featuring "pushing the needle too far"
live along with pearl jam, alison moyet, poi dog pondering, sun-60, etc.
used. $6

6) "power of two" single - 4 songs, out of print. $8

7) ani difranco - "little plastic castle" single - includes album version and
6-minute-long hobby lobby mix.  i don't know how hard it is to find or
anything, but i paid $10, so you can have it for that.

8) snapdragon - "drinking watermelon sugar" - great cd!  found an extra copy
used for $4.50, so it's yours for $5.

any of the following cd's are $3 or 2 for $5 or 3 for $6 or 4 for $7 or 5 for
$8, etc, etc... ( i just want to cover shipping and stuff, really.)
legion of decency - greatest hits
robin lane - catbird seat (no booklet)
afro-plane - self-titled
patti smith - gone again (in-store play copy, no artwork, just cd in plain
case)
moxy fruvous - wood (just cd and booklet, track 10 skips, but it's in french
                         anyhow, maybe you won't notice!  otherwise it's a
great cd!)
fem 2 fem - woman to woman
laura a jeif tygri - vyklatime modly (no that's not in english.  i hope i
spelled it correctly...)
lifter - melinda (everything was beautiful and nothing hurt)
carol albert - tides of change (nice local pianist)
paul leary - the history of dogs

vinyl:
i have a couple of "swamp ophelia" autograped vinyls for $20 each and a couple
used ig vinyls for $15 each.

non-musical items:
cigar stuff!
i don't remember for whom these items were originally purchased, but obviously
i never gave them to them... they were on sale, though, and would make great
holiday gifts, i think!  they're all in the original boxes, never used, etc.
they were just gifts i never gave and now i need the money back! :0

aa) two finger genuine leather cigar case - holds 2 cigars, attractive... was
$25, but i got it on sale for $12.50, so you can have it for that.

bb)wallace silversmiths silverplated hammered cigar case - it's actually
really pretty!  i wish i had something for which to use it, but i'm not a
smoker... it was $20, but was on sale for $10, so you can have it for that.

cc) last but not least, wallace silversmiths silverplated cigar case.  holds a
single cigar and has a pocket clip like a pen.  really pretty.  was $10, but
it was on sale for $5, so it's yours for $5.

i have a couple of list tee shirts from a year or two ago.  brand new.  $15
each, beacause i think that's what i paid with shipping...

i cant't think of anything else anyone could possibly want out of my closet,
so just let me know if you're interested in anything!  thanks, sarah

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the songbook is available through any chain record store. i got mine at
specs fo about 15 dollars. it has guitar parts in addition to lyric and
harmony sections. it's one of my fav's

>date:  tue, 3 nov 1998 12:28:01 est
>reply-to: atlmouse@aol.com
>from:  robin fouse <atlmouse@aol.com>
>subject:      my dog ate ig songbook
>to:    indigo-girls@netspace.org
>
>grrrrrrrrrrrr............
>
>i'm now in the market for a copy of the "strange fire" songbook for
guitar.
>
>will trade for small, brown spotted dog.
>
>~~robin
>atlmouse@aol.com
>
>"bad dog
>look what you did to the rug
>dog bad"    d.c. dog by "betty"
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these are two of my favorite songs too! i think for early amy songs, the
lyrics are great and the songs are just beautiful. it's her voice... i
remember months when i would listen to these songs over and over.
especially walk away (hey mystcwoman are you reading this? =)
i remember asking my mom about the bible references "i'm a pillar of
salt..." and thinking wow, it's usually emily with the biblical
allusions.
i love these songs!
ok anyway, doesn't anyone else have opinions on these two? i hate it
when someone brings up a subject and no one responds!!!

mollie

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on tue, 3 nov 1998, pied piper wrote:

> i remember asking my mom about the bible references "i'm a pillar of
> salt..." and thinking wow, it's usually emily with the biblical
> allusions.

        funny thing too, since amy was the religion major . . .
        anyway, as i may point out, "strange fire" is pretty much packed
with biblical allusions . . . but then you all knew that.  ;)  but how
about "jonas and ezekial," past the obvious biblical names in its title?
"in the war over land where the world began, prophecies say that's where
the world will end."  that's a pretty strong reference to israel and the
valley of megiddo, where armageddon is supposed to take place.  (strong?
yes.  obvious?  maybe not.)  and then there's "land of canaan . . ."  i'm
sure there's more, too, but i'm too tired to think of them right now.  :)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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into the light; but i fear that to fall in love with you is to fall from a
great and gruesome height . . . "  -- dar williams, "iowa (traveling iii)"

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 14:03:15 -0500
reply-to:     amy mednick <amy1@alpeng.com>
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it's been fun lurking here for the past few, but the news only list
probably suits me better. i've subbed on that list with no problem, but
can't find the unsubbing info for this list in the faq. i guess i'm
having a dumb day. anybody point me in the right direction? respond
privately, pls.

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 13:30:19 -0500
reply-to:     amy cason <stu6361@westga.edu>
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        hi, i was just wondering if anyone knew what happened to the
michelle malone show that was supposed to take place this friday at
eddie's?  i saw a post here about it, cleared that day, and planned on
going with my gf for our 6th anniversary, and when i accessed eddie's site
last night, no mention of michelle until later this month!!  waaah!

on the other hand (attention, here's igc)...i might be able to go see amy
on the 18th...  *might*
:::crossing fingers:::

amy

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i have to respectfully disagree with you on that one. i was at some borig
science lecture and the lecturer talked about an american indian tribe that
has legends telling how the world began in the area where they live and that
it will end there too. maybe someone can help me on the exact where, i've
forgotten. so since jonas and ezekial refers to other native american issues,
i think that's probably what amy's talking about.
-sam (impatiently waiting for the thursday night dyke social)

i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be wrote:

> about "jonas and ezekial," past the obvious biblical names in its title?
> "in the war over land where the world began, prophecies say that's where
> the world will end."  that's a pretty strong reference to israel and the
> valley of megiddo, where armageddon is supposed to take place.  r

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 14:25:42 est
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hey yall
so i have a few questions...first, i dont wanna talk about...i broke this song
out the other day cause i had an urge to hear it, have the girls ever done
this live, or was it a one time thing for the soundtrack.  i would really like
to see them do this live. but then again i would also like to see them sing a
million other songs too. secondly, for all the guitar players out there who
know how to play this song...the guitar tab site says play it in standard
tuning, but i always played it with a capo on the second fret. not that it
really matters, but i was just wondering b/c i want to figure out the solo and
i am trying to figure out whether emily's guitar is capoed, so any infor on
that would be greatly appreciated.

now for the nigc, but whoever posted about rose, do you know or know where i
can find out about the brown university "voices on verge" performance...

lastly, for people on the bootleg page, i will be emailing you about your
page. if you would still like your page up you will have to respond to my
email to confirm this.  i am trying to make sure everyone who's lists are up
there are still trading etc.  if you are not up there but would like your list
posted there, lemme know i can post it for you or link to your page.

thats it
peace
sasha

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date:         tue, 3 nov 1998 15:32:17 -0500
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oops... just went on line to send this post + first downloaded my e-mail...
darren glass' "my two cents" post was one of the downloads + i gotta say it
was very well worded... he said it way better than what i wrote below... but
i'm still gonna send mine...
toodles, all.
here it be:
ummmm...
for what it's worth; i've always gone by "if you can't play by the rules;
get out of the game". we all received faq's when we joined this list, and i
don't think it's such a terrible thing that the rules in that faq post may
get enforced. *somebody* needs to be in charge. i feel bad for jen, who is
only trying to solve a problem. some of y'all are being ridiculous... and to
those who complain they are being treated like children, yoiks... i need
only point to all the childish "me too" and "@#$%$#" posts that have stuffed
my e-mail box over the last couple of days...
i have an idea... since y'all think that as members of this list we should
have a hand/say in how it's run, if there's something bugging you about the
list and how it's being handled, then privatly post whoever is managing the
list at the time. that manager person can work up a poll on the subject +
post it to the list, with a time limit, so that all listees can vote on
it... then the results can be posted + all can abide by the results....
yeah; right
sigh...
oh well... it was a thought...

to the tune of three hits:
three strikes on the list son
and it's two weeks banned from posting
tho t'might send you into withdrawl
seems a great way to thwart a list brawl
would you trade anarchy for structure
for a starter that's just dumb sir
three strike's a poor start man igc's the solution
so you think "me too's" are treasures
flaming words should be permitted
well faq's no fickle measure
of past infractions some committed
hey ig fans
take a wise stand...

well... that's all from this sad listee...
peace out... kim

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hey yall
sorry for the waste of bandwidth but i have a question for the
baigls....anyone ever hear of a beacon hill coffeehouse ?? because supposedly
sonia from disappear fear is playing there sat. but i need to get directions
and stuff and they are apparantly unlisted from the boston directory services
etc. so if you can offer any help, please let me know...

oh yeah, go to the show too, sonia is great
peace
sasha

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 02:11:32 -0800
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lyndsay agans wrote:

>  i managed to score a shaming of the sun poster last
> year and this year happily passed it along to a shameless hussy (just
> kidding lyn) who managed to steal my heart away...... it's usually worth
> all the begging and pleading (the poster, not the girl!!).

you mean the girl isn't?  damn... i'll have to review my techniques....maybe
that's what i've been doin' wrong....;)

michal

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 08:59:45 est
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dear friends....

the late harry chapin performed a song called "flowers are red" with a the
following refrain:

flowers are red
and green fields are green
there's no need to see flowers any other way
than the way they always have been seen....

censorship, intolerance, violence....have become as much a part of this
society, perhaps more so, as the original bill of rights....whose content is
constantly being eroded by a congress comprised of the best politicians money
can buy....

think about the past year.....especially the high school cancellations and the
matt shepard tragedy....i was taken to task by several writers for suggesting
that perhaps fred phelps' free speech rights were less important than the harm
done by the message of hate he preaches......i still believe that....

my wife, from whom i have been separated for over a year, never understood my
love for the indigo girls and their music.....never understood why it was
important for me to write my own songs rather than just crank out the oldies
and bring home the bucks.....never understood why i would go out of my way to
give "those dykes" (referring to a growing number of local women
singer/songwriters that i've attempted to help) a place to be heard.....

some of you may not notice the names that are now missing from this
list....others may say "good riddance".....but i woke up this morning with a
heavy heart.....and harry chapin's song playing in my head......

when fred phelps' right to free speech is more important than jill certo's,
you gotta wonder......

but maybe someday people will sing:

there are so many colors in the rainbow......

peace,
tim

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i think this is one of amy's best songs too. it's kind of "emily-like" song.

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 10:45:00 -0600
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there will be a free concert in atlanta this sunday, 11/8, begininng at
4pm.  it will be an all ages show at sacred grounds (510 flat shoals ave,
east atlanta).  the lineup includes:

cooper seay
commonwealth
heather maher
chris lobkowitz

please go if you can.


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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 08:53:45 -0800
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>american indian tribe that
>has legends telling how the world began in the area where they live and
that
>it will end there too. maybe someone can help me on the exact where

can't provide the exact where, but a close approximation.... isn't that the
hopi nation that you are referring to? or maybe the more ancient
predacessors (sp?) to the hopi, whose name just leapt from my brain but
starts with an "a"? either way, the location would be in the arizona/new
mexico area, i believe. gee, aren't you glad i was able to so precisely
clear all that up? *rotfl*

and slightly aside..... i wanted to say to kim that i love your three hits
variation on a theme!! woo hoo!! and to tim i wanted to say thank you for
your beautiful words and sentiment!! sure hope everything can get back on
track around here, and maybe we can lure back some of the friends who have
left!!  now back to lurkdom for me.........

peace y'all!  laura

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 12:05:13 -0500
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i was thinking i heard on an interview when amy was discussing j&e and
saying she found the names on tombstones (former slaves?) when she was
biking in new england. she wrote the song, without thinking of the
biblical prophets at the time - or she said she didn't know she was
writing about them, when maybe (subconsciously) she was.

nancy humphries
nancy@rbdc.rbdc.com

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in a message dated 11/4/98 8:01:30 am, lythande99@aol.com <tim> wrote:

<<when fred phelps' right to free speech is more important than jill certo's,
you gotta wonder......>>

i'm breaking my promise of staying out of the melee, since i can be silent no
more...  this is not about free speech!!!!!!!!!!!

there are a select, self-righteously indignant few who continue to publicly
defy our new list owner just as children defy their parents.  and when spoken
to in the tone of a parent reprimanding bratty children, you scream, in
outrage, of anyone taking such a tone with you.  if you act like children,
expect to be treated as such.

to clarify the new "rule", which your angrily ringing ears have fallen deaf
to, i will translate (those of you who have read my analogy, bear with me for
the masses):

if a sign on the door to a restaurant states, "no shoes, no shirt, no
service", are you going to take the manager to task when s/he tries to throw
you out for running around barefoot once inside?  think of the list as this
restaurant, the faq as that sign, and jen as the manager.

just because you ignored (or possibly never saw) the sign on the door, does
not exempt you from those rules.  they still apply to you, and the manager has
every right to deal with those scofflaws as s/he sees fit.  no one is saying
you are not welcome to dine at the restaurant, just please keep your shoes &
shirt on, k?

the faq was establish from surveys compiled by the faq team.  the listees made
these rules, but no one seems to want to abide by them anymore.  we now have
an admin who is saying, "if you can't abide by the rules you've agreed to,
then actions can & will be taken to remedy this."

no list, anywhere, is a democracy (contrary to what you may think about
freedom of speech... a list admin can and on some other lists does censor).
somebody must run it (that means there's tons of crap going on behind the
scenes that you don't see).  the person who runs the list usually owns it
(although moderators may be appointed by the owner).  that means, you can rant
all you want, but you cannot oust or "overthrow" that person... that person
can oust you!

some of you have this "freedom of speech" and "big-sister" animosity which is
totally misguided.  you are the very same people who this new policy is mostly
directed to... the bullies who feel that it is your own personal list, and
screw the other 600 people lurking out there if they don't like it.  the fact
is... there's a new sheriff in town, and if you don't like how she runs
things, well, then, get outta dodge.... and fer gawd sakes, get a life.

dee (who has now just yelled at y'all three times, but it's not up to me...)

ps... flame privately, don't clutter up the list please.

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 11:35:17 -0800
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*testing the waters*

hey everybody,

i'm doing a report on virginia woolf's a room of one's own for my
women's studies literature thing class.  (no i'm not obssessed :) yes,
i do plan to mention the song.  anyway, so i read a room of one's own
(that's a good thing when you're writing a paper on it) and suddenly
the song makes a lot more sense.  examples:

"...the men of anger..." (es)
"the (male) professors--i lumped them together thus--were angry"
(woolf 33).

"each life has its place" (es)
"one must read it as if it were the last volume in a fairly long
series, continuing all those other books that i have been glancing
at...for books continue each other, in spite of our habit of judging
them separately" (woolf 80).

"a hundred years later i'm sitting here living proof" (es)
"she will be a poet, i said, putting life's adventure, by mary
carmichael (from where comes the famous "chloe liked olivia" line), at
the end of the shelf, in another hundred years' time" (woolf 94).  (i
like this one a lot...emily carmichael?  mary saliers?)

neat huh?  now, i just have to figure out a thesis to write 8 pages
worth on :)

which brings me to the real point of my email...is anyone out there a
two nice girls fan?  i read that they titled their album chloe liked
olivia and quoted vw in the liner notes.  so i was hoping to find out
more about them.  email me privately if you have info.

ok this is getting kind of long.

i spent part of my holiday yesterday watching my new watershed on dvd.
i turned on the subtitles and got a nice kick out of reading the not
so correct transcriptions.  when they were selling the crazy game
single, (amy'll buy you a beer), when amy says "you'll get a pair of
emily saliers' tennis shoes", the subtitle said, "you'll get emily's
tireless tennis shoes". hehe and the part where they're yelling at
each other backstage, the subtitle for emily's line was "earn my
trust" instead of "where's my drugs".  oh, and in the video yearbook,
it said the girls headlined a voters for choice concert with melissa
etheridge and crosby, stills, and nash a few years ago...did they
actually do any songs together, and does anybody have a boot of that?

lori ann

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>if a sign on the door to a restaurant states, "no shoes, no shirt, no
>service", are you going to take the manager to task when s/he tries to
throw you out for running around barefoot once inside?  think of >the
list as this restaurant, the faq as that sign, and jen as the >manager.

i can think of a few other signs..."whites only", "god hates fags",
"women need not apply"...i'm not talking list here (nor trying to
intimate that these are the signs that dee is talking about)...though i
am uncomfortable with this notion that
"one-size-fits-all-with-no-exceptions" --i'm talking the world around
us.  and as much as some among us in our little indigo cyber-city would
like to think otherwise, this list is a list.  a collection of wires and
phone lines, computer screens propped up in our offices and apartments
and bedrooms.  and while it can (as i have argued before) sometimes be a
lifeline it is not a life.  our lives are what is happening around us,
to us, and through us.  beyond cyberia.  and sometimes, that spills over
into the list.  sometimes we share, sometimes we grieve, and sometimes,
we make mistakes.  that doesn't make us icky, bad people--it makes us
human.

>there are a select, self-righteously indignant few who continue to
>publicly defy our new list owner just as children defy their parents.
>and when spoken to in the tone of a parent reprimanding bratty
>children, you scream, in outrage, of anyone taking such a tone with
>you.  if you act like children, expect to be treated as such.

and where does that leave us?  i don't know that answering anger with
anger (or with childish scolding) is any better an answer than turning a
blind eye.  perhaps i'm too optimistic, but i have seen very few people
"continu[ing] to publicly defy our new list owner". i have seen people
reacting, maybe over-reacting, to a change.  i have seen people speaking
their minds...hmmm...wonder which singing duo has taught some of us to
do that?  maybe these things shouldn't be taken to the list, but i don't
think that anyone has done anything unforgiveable.

>no list, anywhere, is a democracy (contrary to what you may think
>about freedom of speech... a list admin can and on some other lists
>does censor).

but i think one of the beauties of this list is that people have been
able to speak their minds.  a bit of garbage has come out, but a lot of
learing and powerful moments of sharing have come out, too.

>some of you have this "freedom of speech" and "big-sister" animosity
>which is totally misguided.  you are the very same people who this >new
policy is mostly directed to... the bullies who feel that it is >your
own personal list, and screw the other 600 people lurking out >there if
they don't like it.

perhaps i am, as they say, bringing my own baggage into this, but i
think that there are probably a fair amount of listees out there who
have grown up learning to keep quiet, keep it down, keep their mouths
shut.  and i'd hate to think of what they must think right about now,
like they don't belong on this list or they should check and double
check and triple check everything that they think or feel before they
dare to post it at all.  this list is a forum for us to share our
thoughts and feelings about the indigo girls' music (and activism, and
inspiration).  it is not a shouting match, nor a wrestling match where
only the strongest survive.  i think that some of the reactions to the
new list policy reflect a fear that there is now a list cop who will
dictate what is "right" or "wrong"...the very mentality that a lot of us
try to get past or escape from by listening to the indigo girls music.
the diversity of our thoughts and ideas is a blessing.  the fact that
some of us sometimes do or say stupid things is also a blessing.  the
use of the list for airing personal vendettas, however, bothers me (and
i think/hope that those are the types of posts that jen is trying to
eliminate)...for the same reason that these "my way or no way" posts
bother me.

there are some 600 or 700 of us, each of which has her/his own ideal as
to how the list could or should be...it can't be all of these things.
what it can, hopefully, still be is a safe and supportive means of
communciation and sharing, for talking about the music that means so
much to us, and the actions and thoughts it inspires.

peace,
shelley

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anyone gotten a planned release date yet?

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when john glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits.

pass it on.

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on thu, 5 nov 1998, ian carandang wrote:

> when john glenn returns from space, everybody dress in ape suits.

        how many days do you think it'll take us to bury the statue of
liberty up to her waist?  and do you think we can pull it off in time?  ;)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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into the light; but i fear that to fall in love with you is to fall from a
great and gruesome height . . . "  -- dar williams, "iowa (traveling iii)"

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i wish i could go!!!!  okay,  i remember the words "sacred grounds" in an ig
song?  walk away perhaps?  was she referring to this  or soemthing else?

rae

<< there will be a free concert in atlanta this sunday, 11/8, begininng at
4pm.  it will be an all ages show at sacred grounds (510 flat shoals ave,
east atlanta).  the lineup includes:

cooper seay
commonwealth
heather maher
chris lobkowitz

please go if you can.
  >>

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hi folks,

        a few of our digest subscribers have mentioned that some servers have a
html option for some of their text...most noticably in sigs.
        if you would remember, try to turn off that option before sending to the
list.

        thanks!

                        jen

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dschulman@aol.com wrote:

> if a sign on the door to a restaurant states, "no shoes, no shirt, no
> service", are you going to take the manager to task when s/he tries to throw
> you out for running around barefoot once inside?  think of the list as this
> restaurant, the faq as that sign, and jen as the manager.

i just wanted to comment that i don't believe this is a legitimate
argument, if
only because the faq isn't written in such absolute terms.  it's "try to
avoid
nigc" or some such thing - i'll admit i'm not going to go look it up
now, but i
*have* read it, and i know it wasn't an absolute rule.  if it had been,
there
would be no need for the word "nigc" to begin with.  the minute a rule
is not
absolute, it becomes open to interpretation with regards to how relative
it is  -
meaning, if *some* nigc is countenanced, it becomes a question of
perspective as
to what is ok-nigc, and what's not.  if you choose to change the rules
such that
they are absolute, have fun, but until they are, people *will* interpret
things
differently, and as long as that occurs, everyone should try to respect
the
opposing opinions.  because even if the list is a dictatorship, as dee
suggests,
and not a democracy, it seems to me that we should still attempt to
adhere to the
basic tenets of democracy and the civil rights it protects...

> no list, anywhere, is a democracy (contrary to what you may think about
> freedom of speech... a list admin can and on some other lists does censor).
> somebody must run it (that means there's tons of crap going on behind the
> scenes that you don't see).  the person who runs the list usually owns it
> (although moderators may be appointed by the owner).  that means, you can rant
> all you want, but you cannot oust or "overthrow" that person... that person
> can oust you!

that is called a dictatorship, and history, i believe, has proved that
democracyis
a superior, or at least a more desired form of government than
dictatorships...
a demagogue has no one to rule over if everyone leaves... and that's
what tends to

happen if they rule tyrranically.  <shrug>

i keep having this vision where everyone who posts often, interestingly,
humorously, and occasionally nigc-y leaves the list because of this new
police/y
so that the 600 other lurkers whom people keep trying to protect can
*finally*
live in peace.... and all of a sudden there's almost nothing for em to
read.....
meanwhile, all the fun, interesting, creative posters are out having a
hawaiian
luau (vegeterian and environmentally friendly of course!) on a different
list,
which amy and emily are actually attending because they identify with
the
character of the people involved, and anyways, it's one crazy
*happening* luau
that noone wants to miss (you gotta *see* the way thalia and jill dance
together... it's beyond words, really)..... it's a rather twilight
zone-ish image
(cuz i keep seeing the empty list like an empty hollow room with all
this echo
chamber, and someone going, forlornly, "is anybody heeeeere....here...
here....
where's everybody gone... gone... gone.. gone... and right next door is
the
wow-luau... see? twilight zone....)  anyone else seeing this image, or
am i all
alone in my melodramatic reactionary twilight zone vision?  write me....


> ps... flame privately, don't clutter up the list please.

i find this request an oxymoron in light of the original message having
been
posted to begin with.  does anyone have a handbook on flames?  could you
tell me
if attacking and insulting an unnamed group of people publicly, counts?
maybe
i've got things wrong....

i still don't get why we don't just have a list vote with regards to
this and be
done with.  dee states that the faq was written by listees for listees -
which
suggests that, tyrranical dictatorship (said with a wink)
notwithstanding, the
original idea was that the majority decisions should rule.  that's both
fair and
makes sense.
why *not* take a vote?

peace, patience, and potty training
michal

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howdy!  michelle said after a show i caught a couple of weeks ago that
she was playing at the darkhorse tavern on november 6th.  i don't think
she's playing eddie's again until nov. 21st.

peace,

joan :-d

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okay i'm sorry this didn't go out monday...and i'm honestly going to do
this every monday, but i was still editing the huge list :)  so here we
go...

[actual intro]
hi!  i'm audra and i will be your birthday guru from here on into
whenever.  if you are not on the list, and would like to be, feel free to
email me privately.  i will put you on the list asap.  some people have
judt included their email address and birthday, others include their real
name, and lots include quotes.  any form is acceptable.  similarly, if you
are on the list and would like to add/change/delete your entry, do so
privately and i will update.  do not forget to include your b-day if you
are in the add/change/delete category...i really don't want to sift
through hundreds of entries to find yours.  thanks :)

********************birthdays for november 1-8*************************

november 1
longwell.ls@juno.com- l'sly
"i wasted time and now time doth waste me"

betsy bertiaux
bbertiaux@earthlink.net

november 4
liltree@yahoo.com (lori ann)

november 4 ('67)
imat39@docusystems.durham.net (tami waters)

november 5
j.f.l.devaney@aston.ad.uk (john)

november 6 ('73)
ml5x+@andrew.cmu.edu (michael anthony leonard)
"don't you write it down, remember this in your head"
"how recklessly my time has been spent"
"replace the need with love"
"and i dreamed your dream for you
and now your dream is real"

november 8 ('78)
indigo@virginia.edu (stephanie merhar)
"the years pass by and now the girl is twenty
though her dreams have lost some granduer coming true
there'll be new dreams, maybe better dreams, and plenty
before the last revolving year is through/"


*grins*
audra


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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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doesn't sound like its gonna be much more fun so i'm signin' off
anyone need me
pooh40@mc.net

miss bink..let me know if anything comes up

pooh

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oner thing i find profoundly interesting is the convergence of 2 hot topics
on this list.  namely:  experience has shown us that when there is material
better-suited for small cliques, it's easy enough to create a sublist.  no
one's outlawing nigc.  for the millionth time:  jen isn't creating new
rules, just *enforcing the ones you agreed to* when you joined the list.
i, for one, am grateful, though i agree that her annoncement could have
been worded less confrontationally.  if you all would quit bitching about
the rules i suspect you would find that life goes on as usual, but for the
fact that when the moderator says "cut it out," people actually listen for
a change.

and *here's* where the free speech part comes in -- jen is free to run her
list any way she wants (comparisons to civil rights violation are
*absurd*... i can kick you out of my house for saying things i don't care
to hear).  and *you*, dear lister, are free to create your own list with
any old rules you like, even if you want to make it broadcast only so that
your subscribers only hear your lovely voice.  and rest assured... if this
list becomes something enough people don't like, the list(s) founded in
response will survive it.  but i don't expect that to happen, i really
think this is much ado about nothing (though i am getting a good chuckle at
some of the more melodramatic responses. <g>).

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hey everybody,
in response to the question asked about if anyone dressed up as an
indigo girl for halloween........i did! i think i've been planning it
since forever. and let me tell ya, it was great. i got all decked out in
my jeans with holes in the knees, flannel shirt (with the sleeves rolled
up naturally) and somehow a drawing of a cool hand symbol found its way
onto my forearm in permanent marker (thanks to sparkie for sending me a
clear pic of amy's tat). yup, it was a great experience. i wish every
day was halloween......just jokin.... i think. :-) i'm not obsessed,
honest. ok, fine, i am.
one more thing, somebody tell me it's not too late to send my $$$ for a
list shirt. i put my order in when the original idea came up, but i lost
the addy to send the check to. if somebody could please get back to me
about that, it would be greatly appreciated....thanks, and sweet indigo
dreams to all.
~lia

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hello all
i am ust wondering if anybody has an of the lilith boots (and random shows in
between) from 6/28/98 through 7/15/98, if you do and are willing to trade,
please email me.

thanks
sasha

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subject:      this list, ig inactivity, & abundance of nigc & flaming
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jennifer wrote:
>         i'm not sure what month this is referring to, but as jill wrote,
> there's no real ig activity at the moment; no new cd yet, no released
> up-and-coming tour dates, not much of anything right now.  it's the slow
> season...as soon as the girls release their next anxiously awaited cd,
> or tour dates i'm sure the nigc will subside.  so, tough it out guys and
> please relax a little.
>
>         jennifer belton
>
hey all,

i just wanted to add to what jennifer said.  i've been on the list for
quite a while now... (i won't "brag" exactly how long ;)...) including the
period in between the release of swamp and sots.  of course, there was the
wonderful and thoughtful parting-gift of 1200 curfews in the fall of 95 to
keep us sated until sots appeared in the spring of 97...  but, between
those two dates (specifically, after the touring for swamp had died down
and before the pre-tour touring for sots started up) the amount of nigc
and flame wars was very, very high.

except, i never remember it getting this vicious... and the touring for
sots only stopped a little over a month ago...  we've still got several
months before any new album will appear (although amy certainly does seem
to have enough material already :) ) let alone before touring will
resume... yes, nigc will dwindle in those days to come, and tour dates
and information will be flying around like it's a mad house in here.

but, in the meantime my fellow listees, let's keep ourselves entertained
by finding more fufilling things to do with ourselves than get caught up in
flame wars and nigc and flame wars about nigc...    yeah, we may seem a
little desperate if all we do is compile lists of favorite
songs/albums/live performances, least favorites, desert island picks,
color references, sun&moon references, etc. but, it's not hurting anyone,
it's not scarring anyone, it's ig-related...

i'd hate to think that us ig fans, who think we're so lucky and
enlightened for admiring two talented, positive women, end up capable of
ripping each other apart when they're not around to put on a show for us
and/or sing us some new songs about the injustices in the world...

i've never, ever complained about nigc and flaming on this list.  in fact,
i've always said it was rather harmless...  it goes in cycles, comes and
goes, and everything is pretty much the same afterwards as it was before.
but, that's only if you're not involved in it.  to those who are it can
change a lot of things for them.

and yet, for whatever reason nigc appears and gets complained about, and
for whatever reason flame wars evolve (be it rudeness, miscommunication,
naivety (sp?), whatever...) there will always be these things.  there will
always be people who are mean and don't care, there will always be
miscommunication, and people just not knowing better, but does there
always have to be people who drag these things out on the list? no, of
course not.  but, chances are this list has not seen the end of it.

i'm not trying to be high and mighty and tell everyone what to do.  i'm
just saying what i've seen on this list, and it saddens me that people can
be so mean.  people who listen to ig and yet are capable of being so
vicious.  right, as if that makes anyone a saint...  i don't think the
"three strikes" rules should be enacted.  it even seems sucky for jen, the
list owner...  you know she'd have a ton of work on her hands...  or the
hope is that knowing the consequences she'd be handing out very few
"strikes"...  well, i can certainly see why jen and sherlyn think these
new rules need to be enacted.  but, i also *still* believe in the goodness
of people!  so, everyone, straighten up and fly right!  just kidding.
it's your life do what you want.  it's everyone's list, and we certainly
have always had enough self-moderation going on...  if the list wants to
be free of its ills, but doesn't want fed cough syrup from the big hand of
the list owner...  i guess the list better figure out a way to heal
itself.  unfortunately, requests for "no flames" and no "nigc" just
doesn't work.

all i know is, i'm looking at the future of this list and hoping that
until the next album comes out and/or touring resumes, more lives haven't
been damaged and people's delete fingers are still functioning...  i love
this list for all things indigo, which there is a lot of!  let's just hope
that when there isn't something indigo pressing on us that we don't try to
fill it up with flames and prattling nigc.

peace, melissa

p.s. if this post seems very condescending, i'm sorry.  i always try not
to be condescending.  i don't know why i am today.  i tried to escape it,
but i couldn't...  i apologize for that.  hopefully, you all can just
glean my postive message/intention and ignore my shortcomings in conveying
my meaning fairly.  i'm just a listmember just like everyone else. i
don't claim to be anything better than anyone else.  i would just like
the list to be a healthy, safe, fun, and exciting place to discuss indigo
girls' music.

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 00:27:04 est
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from:         "freida l. garigin" <flg940bigr@aol.com>
subject:      re: amy and biblical allusions?
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ok, i'll bite.  i have "you left it up to me" and "walk away"  back to back on
my "private mix" tape -- the one with all the really amy songs, like "blood
and fire" and "welcome me" -- the songs that upset clare.  she wants somebody
to get amy out of her misery.  poor thing.  as for the songs, i see (hear)
them as different versions of the same story.  my favorite line is "...get
that look off of your face..."

and then there are biblical allusions...    lots of artists throw in the
occasional angel or saint, but amy uses the more obscure references.  i caught
the "pillar of salt" reference and it still strikes me as brilliant.  the use
of those words in a new context, coming from someone who wasn't damning me to
hell but who i could really relate to, well, it seemd to give me permission to
re-establish my spirituality and now one might even say that i am something of
a bible scholar.  and i get to use what they taught me in sunday school, but
to use it to reveal truths and blow apart the hypocracy.... the "mercenaries
of the shrine" no longer have me fenced out of the sanctuary.  i use my bible
knowledge in my writing. well, you've got to write what ya' know, and that
old-fashoioned baptist church in attica, kansas taught me a thing or two about
the bible, and those bible-as-literature courses in college built on it.  on
top of the amazing vocals and vibrant music, the way that both of them take
possession of that religious vocabulary, make it work for them rather than
restrict them, that is what has helped me get free.  i guess i felt like they
were speaking a language that i spoke as a kid, but that now, no one around me
knew it. ("the language or the kiss"?)

freida

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 00:30:32 est
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soon be to nothing....

i've been listening to the above song trying to figure out just exactly what
the *heck* is it about....and i still don't know....somethings i';ve heard
over the past couple of months refer to emily being on foot and witnessing an
accident or on a bike...then there is the question is it "soon to be nothing"
(which i originally thought it was) or "soon be to nothing"....

well now i have a totally anal question---it is soon be to nothing but is it:

"soon be to nothing" or "soon be too nothing"  ....

i think she does witness some accident along the way in the song...and i think
in the begining she's in a car b/c she "grips the wheel"....and then she's on
her "crooked feet"....and then she's talking about fear and choices....and its
the fear and choices which intrigues me...i feel like it runs maybe along the
similiar lines as language or the kiss--the choice she has to make btwn her
career and her loved ones and ultimately it's a painful choice/but it's her
calling....anyway, the fear and choices part (i'[m not listening to it now,
forgive me i don't have the exact words...) just made me think....she's sees
an accident...it makes her acknowledge how precious/short/unpredictable life
can be....she's talking about how she will soon be too nothing (meaning that
she will soon be also gone from this life...eventually, but at the same time
all to soon...) or she could be saying that she will soon be to nothing....as
in traveling...like at the end of her long journey will she have nothing left
to go back to?

like i said, i don't have the words in front of me...it's just everytime i
hear that line, i here "i will soon be to nothing" not, i will soon also be
nothing...but anyway....call it an inflection in her voice...but it sounds
really doubting to me....but, maybe it's all in my head....what do you all
think about this....really, i really want to know...

can somebody send me the words to this song too?  my copy is kind of hazy in
someparts....

goodnight people across globe of indigo!
kara....

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 00:47:16 est
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from:         "freida l. garigin" <flg940bigr@aol.com>
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i think you mean the anasazi, which means "ancient ones" but they weren't the
ancestors of any of the modern tribes but probably a separate group that came
over and down (from asia) in a separate migration long before the hopi and
navajo.  that's what i've read, anyway.  hasn't "the war over land" pretty
much been a universal thing, whenever two "tribes" of people ever encounter
each other and each tries to make the real estate its own?  the song is one of
my favorites and has a lot of indian texture to it in addition to the
allusions of the israelites.  but maybe that's part of the point, to draw the
parallel of the american indians (i've read several interviews of different
native americans wherein they call themselves "indians" -- which i find
hilarious since it points to the stupidity of columbus and other "colonial
terrorists" ), make us realize that in our own country we have these
disenfranchised nations.... in our "judeo-christian" culture, we are all a
little bit familiar with the journeys of the jews and maybe this song is
showing us the truth of something like it right under our noses.
apparently we've hit a thread i can sink my teeth into (forgive my mixed
metaphor).
freida

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 01:02:52 est
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and, as i understand the first amendment it was designed specifically for the
press, so that they could be protected if something true but damaging got
printed about some powerful people in government.  and the first amendment
does not protect "fighting words".   the free nature of the press in our
country allows them to print whatever they want, but they can be sued for
libel. individuals  do not have the right to say anything they want to
whomever they want whenever they want.  slander, libel and incendiary language
is not constitutionally protected.  and this list is not a government-run
entity that has to protect the constitutional rights of anyone.  in this free
country, anyone who wants to say something can easily find an appropriate
forum, but any given forum is not obligated by the first ammendment to allow
everything that people might want to say.   and to make this relevant to the
ig, the "free speech"  issue was very well demonstrated by the school concert
cancellations.  the schools were not obligated to provide the forum for what
some (few) people found (stupidly) objectionable. but amy and emily did go
elsewhere and did find another forum.
freida.

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 11:16:35 -0800
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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and who is patty larkin, you ask? well, she is one of the
finest singer/songwriters you will hear today.  she plays
guitar like no one you've seen (and it is my own
opinion that she is better than emily, even). her songs are
well crafted tales of life from all walks.  and she puts
on a fabulous concert.

and i have just finished work on the official patty larkin
web site:

http://www.pattylarkin.com

i invite you to check it out and tell me what you think...
and check out patty in concert if she comes to a town near you :)
for ig content, i do know that emily has at least one of her cds
and patty and ig have been on the same newport folk festival bill
a couple of times.

thanks!

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
                http://www.crl.com/~pegasus

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date:         wed, 4 nov 1998 22:13:14 -0800
reply-to:     monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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hi gang,

get your creative juices flowing! here's the deal: the other night my
friend suzanne points out to me while we're passing by compact disc land
downtown palo alto that there's a sign on their rop poster saying "free
posters, ask us how". of course she knows i'm batty about ig and spend
way too much time on the list as well as dubbing tapes, remastering
boots etc...she just shrugs it off, 'cause you have to be indulgent with
your friends. my gf on the other hand is starting to meter my time on
email. anyways, we go in and ask what do we have to do to get said free
posters. they tell us "just come back tomorrow, one free poster will be
given to each person."

we walk away, suzanne starts plotting a mass calling campaign to get all
of our friends to come by the next day for an ig poster. after all she
knows that i have all these pals on the ig list who would love a poster.
next day, she's called everyone we can think of, and 10 mins before the
opening we're waiting outside the store. suffice it to say that i have
some extra posters: 3 rop, 3 sos. sometimes, it's great to have friends
who are compulsive overachievers.

ok, now i have to come up with a reasonable way to give them away. here
it is:
i'm going to have a contest: write up the most funny, interesting,
whatever story or experience or ... that's ig related. multiple entries
are allowed and feel free to be completely uncensored in your writing.
there's no other rules. please send these entries to me by private email
and i'll put them up on my site anonymously for them to be voted on.
deadline for entries: 11/31/98. the anonymous entries will then be
judged by listees (one vote per person please). judging will end on
12/15/98. if there are folks who receive the same # of votes, i'll cast
the deciding vote, otherwise i'll stay out of the vote. top six
contestants will receive a poster and recognition for their feat on the
iglist, in time for xmas or whatever you like to call your winter
celebration.

let the fun begin,

monique

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 03:58:38 est
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i will not post nigc
i will not post nigc
i will not post nigc
i will not post nigc
i will not post nigc
(out of consideration for those of you who do have a sense of humor i will not
follow through with my intent to write it 100 times....)

batter takes a second strike.....

then takes a walk.....

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> the wyoming sickness is flaring up in the mid-atlantic area.
> this just hit my mail box.  i'll be at the vigil !!
>
>
> from: tacy ranta
>       managing director
>       tran*quility - baltimore, md
>       tcraan@oao.com
>
>    we're all gender variant, just some of us are more variant than others!
>
>
>
> ----------
> from:         lizseaton@aol.com[smtp:lizseaton@aol.com]
> sent:         wednesday, november 04, 1998 4:19 pm
> subject:      gay drag queen shot nearly to death in baltimore, rally fri.
> nov. 6 in balt.
>
> please distribute as widely as possible!!!
>
> press release
>
> for immediate release
>
> contact:      liz seaton, (301) 891-1111
>               executive director
>               free state justice campaign
>               p.o. box 13221
>               baltimore, md  21203
>               www.igc.org/fsjc
>
> person shot six times in anti-gay, anti-drag violence in baltimore
>
> take back the street rally and end the violence candleight vigil
> friday, november 6, 5:30 p.m.,
> 200 block of madeira street, baltimore, maryland
>
> baltimore, md - less than a month after gay college student matthew
> shepard
> was viciously murdered in laramie, wyoming, a gay drag queen living in
> baltimore, maryland was shot six times - nearly to death -- by youths
> saying
> that they would "not allow drag queen faggots" into their neighborhood.
>
> the shooting
> on wednesday, october 28 at approximately 9 p.m., 31-year-old leonard
> "lynn"
> vines, a lifetime resident of baltimore, walked onto the 200-block of
> maderia
> street (in eastern baltimore).  he was going to pick up a key from his
> cousin's house.  a large group of young men and women, perhaps 20 of them,
> were hanging out on the street.  leonard heard one of them say "hey y'all,
> there's a drag queen faggot."  one of the youths told leonard that they
> "didn't allow no drag queen faggot bitches" to come through the street.
>
> leonard said that he didn't want any trouble.  while he was explaining
> that he
> was there to pick up from his cousin a key to an apartment he was thinking
> of
> renting in the neighborhood, one of the youths struck him in the face.
>
> when leonard repeated that he didn't want any trouble, another of the
> youths
> pulled out a gun and shot him six times - twice in the arm, twice in the
> chest, once in the back, and once in the shoulder.  then all of the youths
> sauntered off leaving a seriously wounded and bleeding leonard behind on
> his
> cousin's front stoop.
>
>
> quick action by firefighter saved life
> luckily for leonard, a man working at the fire station around the corner
> heard
> the shots and brought the ambulance immediately, meeting leonard's cousin
> who
> frantically flagged him down in the alley.  leonard was taken to johns
> hopkins
> university hospital, where doctor's expressed dismay at the violent attack
> and
> surprise that leonard did not die en route to the hospital.
>
> leonard vine is recovering, case is under investigation
> leonard spent a week in the hospital before being released into his
> mother's
> care on the evening of tuesday, november 3.  given the number of times he
> was
> shot and the extent of his injuries, his doctors expect him to have a
> long,
> slow recovery.  he is currently using a wheelchair, and it will be some
> time
> before leonard can return to his regular job with a housekeeping agency.
>
> the case continues to be under investigation by the baltimore police
> department, eastern district.  the perpetrators are thought by many to be
> local youths.  leonard believes that the police have caught the man who
> punched him, but they have not yet caught the shooter.
>
> take back the street rally and call for hate crimes legislation
> a rally to take back the street in baltimore and end the violence vigil is
> being organized by leonard's aunt, beverly vines, also a baltimore
> resident.
> at this point, leonard plans to attend.  it will be held on friday,
> november
> 6, at 5:30 p.m. on the 200 block of maderia street (between orleans and
> fayette streets) where the assault took place.  people from the
> neighborhood,
> local officials, gay rights activists, and others from the community and
> around the state are expected to attend.
>
> "we are grateful that leonard vines lived through this attack on his life.
> we
> are outraged at the level of hate and violence targeted at gay people and
> people who do not conform to our society's rigid gender norms," said nancy
> meyer, board co-chair of the free state justice campaign (a maryland
> political
> organization working for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender rights).
> "it
> is not acceptable for a person to be shot simply because of who they are."
>
> liz seaton, fsjc executive director, "what happened in wyoming is
> happening
> everywhere and it is happening here. it is time for people to wake up, to
> recognize that bias does lead to violence, and to take action.
> fair-minded
> citizens must take a stand that anti-gay bias is not acceptable under any
> circumstance.  until attitudes change, individuals in our community need
> protection.  we call on officials at every level of government to pass
> hate
> crimes legislation immediately."
>
> rally location
>
> the rally will be held on the 200 block of madeira street where the
> assault on
> leonard vines took place  the 200 block is located in eastern baltimore
> (northeast of baltimore harbor), between orleans street and fayette
> street.
> go north from baltimore harbor on calvert or gay streets, turn right
> (east)
> onto orleans street and you will run into madeira street.  please bring
> candles.
>
>
>

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 08:26:33 -0600
reply-to:     amy swenson <aswenson@students.uiuc.edu>
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from:         amy swenson <aswenson@students.uiuc.edu>
subject:      t-shirt order info
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for all of you who haven't sent a check yet, or who haven't ordered yet,
what are you waiting for? :)

the design is at:
http://www.geocities.com/wellesley/garden/5125/t-shirt.html

2 shirts are available:
indigo with cream print
cream with indigo print

prices are:
$11 ea. for sizes m-xl
$12 ea. for sizes xxl - xxxl

shipping is included in the above prices. please email me asap with your
order info (name, addy, shirt quantity, color, and size), and mail a check
to:

amy swenson
911 w. springfield #20
urbana, il 61801

i will be off-line for most of this weekend, so i'll be able to answer any
questions on monday.

thanks and have a good weekend!
amy

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 10:05:59 -0500
reply-to:     indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
subject:      nigc, but if i get a strike for *this*, i will be mad
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hey y'all!

guess what?  i have a guest column in my school's newspaper about matthew
shepard and hate crimes.  as soon as i can figure out a way to scan it in
(believe me, that could take a long time...), i will offer to send anyone
who is interested a copy (don't  worry, i won't post it to the list b/c i
could get a strike for that since it is long and nigc).

:-) karen

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 10:24:55 est
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does the front have anything on it?
~troop ;)

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 10:45:01 -0500
reply-to:     * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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from:         * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      say ya dent give out strikes...
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ohimygawd, i checka da mail today and find out that listees got strikes from
the list owner!! :(....    ooohhhh...  tell me it ain't sooooo......  :(....
damn, i thought jen wrote that she had no intentions of using the 3 strike
rule. oh no! is damn a bad word?  i mean like a striking bad word? holy
shit, i hope not! :(.. ....
okay, i want to ask the list owner for a small favor...
each monday will you please post the running total of listees of have
received strikes and their total of strikes thus far, as well as those who
are serving time in *list prison* :(....
this would be of great help...  we will know who can't post and who we'll
soon be saying *sooooooo looooonggg kind friend* :(.... *you will be missed*
:(....... *seeya in a couple weeks*:(.....
and is this post a strike or a foul ball?  or is this on of them clinton
kinda strikes, meaning 2 more and i go to list prison for 2 weeks?

inquiring minds ain't sure if we wanna know!  :(.....  there is a dark cloud
hanging over this list! :(......

uncensored bar

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                      forever a flower child
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if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 10:58:00 -0500
reply-to:     * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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from:         * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      oops...  strike typo
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in my say ya dent give out strikes post..
i wrote ohimygawd ~ this was a typo....
i think the correct spelling is ohmygawd..

silly bar
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if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
     bcorrice@wam.umd.edu   http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice
          http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice/dir.html
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 10:58:14 -0500
reply-to:     indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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from:         indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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i am starting to wonder how many listees left this list due to the strike
policy.

i remember when i first joined this list, how much fun it was.  we were a
community.  we were "allowed" to talk about anything that we wanted.
sometimes our list owner would kindly tell us to take it to private mail,
and usually that was enough.  sure there was conflict, but conflict is a
part of everyday life.  it is inevitable and can not be wiped out.

but on this "new" list (same address, just a very different feel), i don't
think that too many people are enjoying it.  we are censored and we are
not even allowed to speak out on or debate the three strike policy (which
is now part of this list...very revelant topic to be discussed) without
getting a strike.  our new list owner seems more like a dictator than an
owner.  and tis list is far from deomcratic anymore.  it is no longer
*our* list.  it is no longer fun.

maybe we should take a vote on this 3 strike policy?  it should be kept in
tact if the majority of the listees like it, but i honestly don't believe
that is the case.  come on y'all...i know that there were times when the
list (under sherlyn and jade) got a bit out of hand, but didn't y'all have
so much more fun with it?  remember the community we used to have?

i just want people to be able to freely speak w/o receiving a strike.  it
is unfair that people who post publicly about their disdain for this new
policy get a strike.  what ever happened to freedom of speech?

okay, lay your strike on me, cause i know that's what's going to happen...

karen

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 11:15:11 -0500
reply-to:     kp2@vt.edu
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from:         kim porcaro <kporcaro@usit.net>
subject:      re: wondering (nigc)
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my vote is against the strike policy....ditto to everything karen
said....
nigc and flame wars can be fun!!!!

hee hee

and thats all i have to say.

kimi

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 11:09:22 -0500
reply-to:     "antall. scott" <ssa@mail.aphanet.org>
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from:         "antall. scott" <ssa@mail.aphanet.org>
subject:      relax, take a deep breath
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i look out the window and see such an amazing wonderful world.  i wish
that a few people on these lists would realize that there is more to
life than music e-mail lists!

these issues we talk about on the list may seem important, but they're
not!  relax, take a deep breath and enjoy yourself!!

( i am trying to speak for the majority of people on the lists who do
not post!  if you notice, most posts come from a very small number of
people.)

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 11:29:38 -0500
reply-to:     * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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from:         * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      notification o' strikes
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i'm not sure if this is nigc or igc, so pardon me for not specifying.
anyhoo, wanna know what the *shuddup* and *you got a strike* letter looks
like from the list owner? well, read on.... it's da real thang!!! woo hoo!!
********************************
dear listee,
earlier today you posted an email to the mailing list that was outside the
list guidelines. public flaming does not belong on this list. nor does nigc
that has already been requested to be taken to private email.
please take it to private email in the future.
this is your second notification.
if you have any questions, please email me privately.
thank you.
jen

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all listess are strongly encouraged to keep their *shuddup* letters. at the
end of each month, all distinguished, kick ass striking listees will be
invited to a *strikers only* concert featuring our fave duo. admission will
be your *shudda up* letter, and those not participating in civil
disobedience, will not be allowed admittance. for tips on how to receive
*strike* letters, please check with jen or refer every to monday to the
*shame on you* *123* list for names, and contact a *fortunate one*....

and it's one, two, three, yyyyyyou're ooooouuttt!

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 10:31:04 cdt
reply-to:     dragonjen@spydee.net
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from:         jennifer kickliter <dragonjen@spydee.net>
subject:      re: wondering (nigc)
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i am also voting against the strike policy... not that i think any of our votes will count in this situation.  it's clear that our opinions - the opinions of the list population - no longer carry any weight with the administration, which has apparently decided that for the good of the list, the strike policy should be implemented.

for the good of the list.... anybody ever get a really rancid whaling from your dad as a kid, and have him insist it was for your own good?  i can remember several... and to this day i resent every one...

strikes me (pun intended) that if the list is going to be run in a manner such as for the good of the list, then the opinions and wants of the list should be taken into consideration.

it also strikes me that every single person who has spoken out against the strikes rule has gotten a strike... while those who speak out in support of the strike rule (the exact same nigc, just in support of it instead of against it) have received no strikes.  maybe i'm wrong.  those of you who spoke for the rule, anybody get an nigc warning???  just curious.  lovely way of handling those who might speak out against an oppressive government - silence those who speak out.  didn't some nasty little government organization called the ss use those tactics under the rule of a nasty little rat of a man named hitler?

the list nazis strike again, i suppose....  lay one on me, lucero!  :o)

~~jennifer
^^^^^^^^^
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for you are crunchy and good with ketchup.
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 11:31:51 -0500
reply-to:     * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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from:         * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      hmmmmm....  senso o' humor
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if you thought tim's (lythande99@aol.com) post was funny, please email me
privately.

and if you think amy & emily have a sense of humor, please email me
privately.

and if you think i have a sense of humor, please email me privately

and if you think the *bit list* doesn't have a sense of humor, please email
me privately

and if you think the *new list* has a sense of humor, please email me
privately

and if you think this will be a strike, please email me privately

and if you think strikes are funny, please email me privately

or you may post your answers to the big list and new list.  warning, if ya
post to the big list, you'll get strikes and flames!!  altho, if ya post to
the new list, you'll make friends!!!

batter up! yyyyyeeerrrr oooouuuttt!!!
bar

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                      forever a flower child
                  * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *
   water retention is nothing new to me ~ emily saliers
if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
     bcorrice@wam.umd.edu   http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice
          http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice/dir.html
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 11:49:19 -0500
reply-to:     indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         indigo head <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
subject:      re: wondering (nigc)
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>
> it also strikes me that every single person who has spoken out against the strikes rule has gotten a strike... while those who speak out in support of the strike rule (the exact same nigc, just in support of it instead of against it) have received no strikes.  maybe i'm wrong.  those of you who spoke for the rule, anybody get an nigc warning???  just curious.  lovely way of handling those who might speak out against an oppressive government - silence those who speak out.  didn't some nasty little government organization called the ss use those tactics under the rule of a nasty little rat of a man named hitler?

exactly!  on a much larger scale (and i am in no way minimalizing this,
just pointing out a similarity), this is the exact type of stuff that i
write to foregin governments about as a member of amnesty international.
hummm...that is odd...

strike me!  i wanna go to bar's concert!  :-)

karen

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 12:09:43 est
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from:         "marilyn m. mcallister" <tallmtn@aol.com>
subject:      essay to time magazine on matthew shepard
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all,

i guess i've decided that if amy had the courage to stand in front of 5,000
people at the spitfire tour at clemson and talk about what its like to be a
lesbian, i should have the courage to send this reader's response to time
magazine regarding their matthew shepard issue.

the essay approaches the religious issue of gays in america head on.  i have
thought for a long time that this needs to be done.  (funny, i went to notre
dame wanting to be a priest, but ended up being a soldier.  now after all
these years, i am back to writing about theology.)

if anyone has any recommendations or thinks that publishing it would be
counterproductive, please feel free to let me know.  i would especially like
to hear from any theology majors or clergy out there.

also, if anyone knows how to send this essay to amy and emily, i would
appreciate your forwarding it to them.  their courage and music was the
catalyst that moved me to write - especially amy's song "go".  thanks ya'll.


                                       marilyn mcallister
                                       lieutenant colonel
                                       u.s. army


                            the lessons of matthew shepard's life


        whenever i read the gospels, i am touched by the compassion, respect, and
tolerance jesus showed for so many different kinds of people.  he opened
himself to everyone - jew and gentile, saint and sinner, slaves and free, men
and women.   conversely, i am dismayed at how frequently the name of christ
has been used to incite and justify hate crimes and crimes against humanity
throughout history.  the murder of matthew shepard, and subsequent anti-gay
hate rally at his funeral, is the latest in a truly sad chapter in
christianity.

        for all the hope that jesus offers the world, misplaced christian extremism
has left its mark of darkness.  through the centuries, misdirected men of the
cross have stood hand in hand with men of power to legitimize oppression and
hatred against countless millions.  the crusaders slaughtered non-christians
in the holy land if they did not accept christ.  new world explorers did the
same thing to indiginous peoples in the americas.  slave owners used god's
will to justify the oppression of blacks.  women were sentenced to death as
witches in salem.  and hitler legitimized the extermination of jews in europe
by blaming them for christ's crucifiction.  in bosnia, ethnic and religious
cleansing was carried out on a massive scale.

        in the past couple of years, we have crossed a dangerous threshold here at
home.  the threat of americans becoming targets of domestic terrorism by
religious extremists is now greater than risk of us becoming victims of
international terrorists.  the crossing of this threshold is a wake up call
none of us can afford to ignore.  pat robertson got it wrong when he said that
the last step in the decline of gentile civilization is the acceptance of
gays.  the measure of our decline is, more appropriately, widespread tacit
approval for unholy acts of violence, murder, and terrorism - disguised in the
holiness of god's will.

        the kind of religious extremism that leads from the love and compassion of
christ to the death of a 21 year old gay college student has no place in
christianity or american politics.  at matthew shepard's funeral, anti-gay
demonstrators used the name of god to invoke the eternal damnation of a gentle
young man.  i would suggest to those demonstrators that good deeds, not hate
banners that disrespect both the living and the dead, is a more appropriate
way to serve god.

        the little i know of matthew's life leads me to believe that his soul is now
in a better place. his family and friends described him as the kind of human
being who would be the first to risk his own life to help someone else. this
is the kind of person god asks us all to be.
        trent lott stated that he learned from the bible that homosexuality is a sin.
yet jesus, the ultimate authority on christianity, never spoke directly about
the subject.  he did however, tell his followers not to judge others, lest
they themselves be judged, and that the guiltless should cast the first stone.
religious rhetoric that focuses on sin, guilt, and punishment may be effective
in getting constituents out to vote, but tolerance, compassion, and
forgiveness seem to me to be more in line with the teachings of christ.

        jesus spoke to everyone when he said, "come unto me all you who are burdened
and i will give you rest."  while a large number of gays feel a strong need to
be part of a religious community, many are not welcome in their own churches.
the irony is that christ himself never turned anyone away.

        everyone in america would do well to ask themselves one basic question: "if
matthew shepard was not safe because he was gay, are the rest of us that much
safer?"  we are all minorities.  catholics, blacks, orientals, hispanics,
irish, jews, budhists, native americans, and women have known discrimination
or outright persecution at some point or another in our country's history.
how can those who have known persecution themselves look blindly away from
society's treatment of gays?

        as we move toward the millenium, america stands at a crossroads.  one path
leads in the age old direction of hatred and oppression, violence and
bloodshed. the other path leads toward respect and equality for everyone.
while much has been written about this latter path, it is one that no society
in human history has ever truly chosen.  will america continue its path of
hypocracy by touting the virtues of a constitution that proclaims that all men
are created equal, yet all the while denying equality to gays and other
marginalized people?  or will our nation choose a new road - one that
celebrates our differences and is founded on the principles of equality and
justice for all.


                               marilyn mcallister
                               lieutenant colonel
                               u.s. army

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 12:19:32 -0500
reply-to:     * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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from:         * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      i will not be complacent
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if you have the text with amy's infamous i will not be complacent statement,
pleace email me privately..
better yet, email a copy to the big list and the fun list.

the strikingly silly bar...
who fears she'll be booted off the big list any minute!


                           peace + love,
                      forever a flower child
                  * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *
   water retention is nothing new to me ~ emily saliers
if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
     bcorrice@wam.umd.edu   http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice
          http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice/dir.html
                    * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 12:30:59 -0500
reply-to:     kp2@vt.edu
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         kim porcaro <kporcaro@usit.net>
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me too! me too!!


  err...yeah...shit...oops.....so how bout those yankees???

wanna hear a joke??

what did amy say to emily when she tried to be butch on a road trip and
would ask for directions???

(email me privately for the answer)

well lookie i got igc in here...


>
>* bar * wrote:
>>
>> i'm not sure if this is nigc or igc, so pardon me for not specifying.
>> anyhoo, wanna know what the *shuddup* and *you got a strike* letter looks
>> like from the list owner? well, read on.... it's da real thang!!! woo
hoo!!
>> ********************************
>> dear listee,
>> earlier today you posted an email to the mailing list that was outside
the
>> list guidelines. public flaming does not belong on this list. nor does
nigc
>> that has already been requested to be taken to private email.
>> please take it to private email in the future.
>> this is your second notification.
>> if you have any questions, please email me privately.
>> thank you.
>> jen
>>
>> *****************************
>> all listess are strongly encouraged to keep their *shuddup* letters. at
the
>> end of each month, all distinguished, kick ass striking listees will be
>> invited to a *strikers only* concert featuring our fave duo. admission
will
>> be your *shudda up* letter, and those not participating in civil
>> disobedience, will not be allowed admittance. for tips on how to receive
>> *strike* letters, please check with jen or refer every to monday to the
>> *shame on you* *123* list for names, and contact a *fortunate one*....
>>
>> and it's one, two, three, yyyyyyou're ooooouuttt!
>>
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 13:52:42 est
reply-to:     fendersac@aol.com
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         shelia carwile <fendersac@aol.com>
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now how can someone who never posts to this list possibly get struck?
i speak for the ones who never, ever post, and mostly (love'em adverbs)
just scroll and delete without reading, due the the stupid or silly or petty
thought of the oh, so often writers. i call jilly as my witness.
however, methinks i owe the 'ol listees an apology, as the higher-ups are
the least inpressive lately.
ladies ('ol fendersac trying to change the world) the indigo girls are a
positive and awesome thing... the lyrics, the acoustic guitar genius...the
mood it all puts you in...the memories they all provoke...why is this little
celebration spot turning into such a trivial and irrelevant place to be?
listees...just talk and compare and share your indigo obsession with us...and
managers...we are not a baseball team.
you are fans of the best music in the world, lovers of the most profound way
to write lyrics, and some of you are probably even good looking.
ahem.
here i sit, sipping on my seven and seven, puffing my luscious
menthol, and slightly cheating on the ig by listening to amanda marshall, but
i am mostly thinking my comments are going to grant me a scarlet letter.  so
strike me, spank me, i don't give a damn.  yall be silly girls.
just make my letter a or e and i will still be happy.
shelia  <~~~~switching back to football anyway.

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 13:55:13 -0500
reply-to:     "antall. scott" <ssa@mail.aphanet.org>
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from:         "antall. scott" <ssa@mail.aphanet.org>
subject:      re: mm: support (nigc, npc)
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             why are you sending this to the indigo-girls list?


i never mentioned anything specific about the patty list or the ig list.
my comments apply to both.  both have had similarly ridiculous
conversations lately.

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 13:16:10 -0600
reply-to:     bige@dminteractive.com
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from:         scott wm eastman <eastman@dminteractive.com>
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subject:      re: stepping up to the plate nigc
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shelia carwile wrote:

> ...blah....blah...blah...
> here i sit, sipping on my seven and seven, puffing my luscious
>  menthol, and slightly cheating on the ig by listening to amanda marshall, but
> i am mostly thinking my comments are going to grant me a scarlet letter.  so
> strike me, spank me, i don't give a damn.  yall be silly girls.
> just make my letter a or e and i will still be happy.
> shelia  <~~~~switching back to football anyway.

how come the best ones are either gay or married?!?!

peace and laffs,
s.


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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 14:03:08 -0500
reply-to:     darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
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i will gladly accept a strike for saying this...

could everyone please grow up a bit.
if you don't like the new policy, fine.  but posting long messages saying
"i'm gonna get a strike...hee hee" is really tedious and deosn't do
anyoen a bit of good.  it only serves to dichotimize this list even
further.

i wish that this new policy wasn't necessary.  i wish that people would
all get along, and that when lines were crossed people (like the
administrator) would say "hey, let's take it to email" and then people
would and we would all be happy, but guess what kids...that wasn't
working.  for those of you who have convinced yourself that the tone of
this list changed with the new policy...i'm curious where you have been
the last few months.  things here have gotten worse and worse since
sometime during the suffragette tour, and culminating in a huge mess over
teh past few weeks.  to teh point where i got flamed for posting a "silly
trivial discussion of music, when people are hurting over matthew
shepard".

personally, i would prefer this policy of warnings to jen just kicking off
people who violated the policy once.  just think of it this way...all
that's happening is you are being asked to follow the rules that have been
established, and which have changed over the years.  if you don't follow
them, she will warn you.  if you still don't, then eventually you may be
asked to leave.  how is this possibly unfair?

<sigh>  can we please get back to discussing music here?

darren

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 14:31:13 -0500
reply-to:     shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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from:         shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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scott wrote:

<"how come the best ones are either gay or married?!?!"


hey, i resent this!  i'm neither!! :(  how come there's no good men out
there?!?!

:) shannon

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bluffton college

"i can do all things through christ who strengthens me!"  philippians 4:13

"get your arse over here and give me a huge before i whip your biscuit."

        -kylee ann pacholski

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 14:52:54 -0500
reply-to:     nighthawk <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
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from:         nighthawk <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
subject:      re: stepping up to the plate nigc
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on thu, 5 nov 1998, shannon wrote:

> <"how come the best ones are either gay or married?!?!"

> hey, i resent this!  i'm neither!! :(  how come there's no good men out
> there?!?!

   we're all closeted, lest we be outed...  ;)

   darius

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 15:41:57 -0500
reply-to:     * lemon drop * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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due to the bad karma on the big list, thank god some of us still have a
sense of humor while voicing ourr opinions.  what? ya want everyone should
post cranky?

and wow, i'm really going out on a limb here ~
in the big scheme o' thangs, this list is unimportant, so
please keep it in perspective, relax, and let's share our opinions & let's
agree to disagree.  communication is never a bad thang...  and if we can
communicate without getting pissy, woooo hooo!!! and if having a sense of
humor is childish, i'm proud to be guilty as charged!

don't worry ~ be happy
        luv, bar

pssst...  amy & emily are watching, and they're gonna be none too happy with
the cranky beans.

-----original message-----
from: anna creech <chkngrrl@geocities.com>
to: indigogirls@egroups.com <indigogirls@egroups.com>
date: thursday, november 05, 1998 3:04 pm
subject: [indigogirls] etiquette


>hmm...i think the posting complaining about the three strike rule and
>intentionally violating rules in the faq is a little childish.  didn't
>several people post that they want to be treated as adults?  perhaps we
>should first act a little more mature.
>
>anna
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 13:54:52 -0600
reply-to:     connie & todd tsuchiya <tsuch002@maroon.tc.umn.edu>
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trying desperately to invent a new thread... you know that theory that
each of us is connected by 6 other people or less... here is my six
degrees of ig:

1) i know my husband.

2) my husband went to high school with the lead singer/guitar player
from semi-sonic ("closing time")

3) semi-sonic has been on letterman.

4) dave letterman knows the indigo girls.

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 16:12:54 -0500
reply-to:     sb <sharonb@geocities.com>
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for anyone who doesn't have an irc client and can't get to the indigo
girls chat room on dalnet, there is a new ig chat room on talkcity.  the
room is called #indigogirls and you can get to it just by going to
www.talkcity.com.  or if you have an irc client, go to chatnet as the
network and chat.talkcity.com as the server and join #indigogirls.  just
thought i'd pass this info along in case anyone wanted to chat with
other ig fans!  =)

sharon

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 16:31:57 -0500
reply-to:     burton emanuelle neuman <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
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from:         burton emanuelle neuman <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
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        howdy all -
        i recently acquired the sys remix 12" on the epic dance label (is
anybody else amused by the very idea of it?) but, since my roommate and i
don't have a record player, she's going to take it home with her over
thankgsiving and tape it. we figured out last night that because 3 of the
remixes are 9 minutes long (there's a fourth one that's only about 7) that
we'll need a 60 minute tape.
        so we got this idea to do a full mix tape of shed your skin - the
four dance club remixes, the album version, the tom morello remix, the
live version from the single, and a few other live versions besides that
are really worth preserving. we have room for anywhere from two to four
more versions, depending on the length of each.
        anyway, the reason i'm writing all this is to inquire whether
anybody has a more-than-decent-recording-quality bootleg that contains
what they deem to be a really indispensable version of the song. if so,
please email me privately and we can arrange a trade - if you're willing
to wait a few weeks, i can either send you a copy of the sys tape, or i
can trade for a copy of one of my rarities or bootlegs.
        thanks!
        mandy

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 13:52:51 pst
reply-to:     mememi@mailexcite.com
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from:         tanya libes <mememi@mailexcite.com>
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on      thu, 5 nov 1998 12:19:32 -0500, * bar * wrote:

> if you have the text with amy's infamous i will not be complacent
statement,
> pleace email me privately..
> better yet, email a copy to the big list and the fun list.
>
> the strikingly silly bar...
> who fears she'll be booted off the big list any minute!
>
>
>                            peace + love,
>                       forever a flower child
>                   * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *
>    water retention is nothing new to me ~ emily saliers
> if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
>      bcorrice@wam.umd.edu   http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice
>           http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice/dir.html
>                     * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 11:51:45 -0500
reply-to:     "antall. scott" <ssa@mail.aphanet.org>
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from:         "antall. scott" <ssa@mail.aphanet.org>
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i just wanted to tell those of you who are criticizing me, that i have
gotten many statements of support who agree that they enjoy many aspects
of the lists, but wish that people would take it less seriously.  i'm
not trying to flame anyone in particular.

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 17:26:28 est
reply-to:     jill chambers <hsoows@hotmail.com>
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subject:      lookie here... igc
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in sociology class today, my professor woke me up with the words rites
of passage.  granted they were not directed just at me cuz it was our
topic for today, but i sure got excited.  not that i paid attention for
the rest of the class either-- i was a little distracted while 3 hits
and galileo played in my head :) so when i got back to my room today, i
played rop.  it surprised me to see that there was dust on the cd
case... i can't believe i havent listened to rop in that long!  anyway,
the point of my post is that it kinda dawned on me that each cd has an
emotion for me.  like i've been listening to sots  a lot recently cuz
i've been feeling frustrated and angry and kinda constricted.
*blasting* sots (blew out on of my speakers last week while listening to
sys) makes me feel better.  anyone else feel this way?  feel free to
email me privately or maybe even post some more igc to the list.
later taters,
jill


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are cast.  now you will learn to burn the icing sky, to melt the waxen
mask.  i said to have the gift of true release, this is a peace that
will take you higher.
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 17:29:52 est
reply-to:     mnoelm@aol.com
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in a message dated 11/5/98 3:09:29 pm central standard time,
tsuch002@maroon.tc.umn.edu writes:

<< trying desperately to invent a new thread... you know that theory that
each of us is connected by 6 other people or less... here is my six
degrees of ig: >>

oh, i love this thread!

1)  my mother works at spring valley high school

2)  danielle howle went to spring valley high school (and my mom knew her)

3)  danielle howle knows a & e and records on daemon

also,

1) my preacher's good friend went to emory school of divinity

2)  while at emory, rev escamilla was one of don saliers' favorite students

3) don saliers is emily's dad

peace and fewer degrees of separation every day...

pam

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 14:31:20 -0800
reply-to:     laura jackson <laurajackson@mindspring.com>
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>to: indigogirls@egroups.com <indigogirls@egroups.com>


so, is this the "new list" where all the departing folks have gone? and has
everyone really bailed from this list? or are they just staying silent out
of protest or fear of being struck?

i'm feeling kinda sad today! :(

and a little amazed about it all!!

peace y'all!  laura

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 15:01:37 -0800
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i was driving home from school last week and a car in the next lane had
an emory university sticker in the window . . . i started screaming
"emory!  emory!!!!!" at the top of my lungs (good thing the windows were
half-rolled-up and i was blasting "scooter boys" at top volume), and
nearly drove into another car . . . maybe i shouldn't do that again.

and on the way to athens . . . er, no, on my way to school, all this week,
as i'm getting off the freeway, there's been this poor dead squashed
squirrel about two feet away from the curb . . . *every* time i go by it,
without fail, "chickenman" cues up in my head.  same for every other poor
bit of roadkill i pass.  and it even started up when a dog started
running across the street *just* behind me today . . .

--shanie, who went down to guitar center in hollywood today and played on
their martin guitars for about an hour and is feeling much better now.
(gawd, that 12-string . . . *drool*)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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"how i long to fall just a little bit, to dance out of the lines and stray
into the light; but i fear that to fall in love with you is to fall from a
great and gruesome height . . . "  -- dar williams, "iowa (traveling iii)"

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from:         "e. moranian bolles, the badass lchrn lassie" <wishmonstr@aol.com>
subject:      it's not freedom of speech,
              and the policy isn't unreasonable!  so stop posting!
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in a message dated 98-11-05 13:54:34 est, listserv@netspace.org writes:

<< and if you think amy & emily have a sense of humor, please email me
privately.

and if you think i have a sense of humor, please email me privately

and if you think the *bit list* doesn't have a sense of humor, please email
me privately >>


etcetera.


there was a time, not so long ago, when i thought *i* had a sense of humor.

i know i'm just prolonging this thing, but i've been doing some thinking of my
own . . . amy putnam made a valid and darn (watching myself) good point when
she suggested we don't have an obligation to post anything.  if nothing's
going on, suck it up and read a book.  or anything!  methinks people have
taken this strike policy way to seriously ... not seriously, just way too
poorly.  (okay, i can't speak today.)  frankly, (putting on that old flame
retardant suit) this is why i prefer to consider myself a *conservative*
liberal, because liberal liberals tend to get (imho) a little too excited
about this stuff.

it's not freedom of speech.  this is an indigo girls list.  as has been
pointed out, you sign up and thus agree to the terms set forth.  and while i
personally might not have come up with a strike out system, there is an
increasing number of people i'd like to see suspended.  i mean, if you were
assigned a term paper on the maori and instead turned in 80 pages on the many
haircuts of john lennon, you might not get out of college in four years.
yeah, sure, talk about abbey road v. help -- it's your right as an american --
but give it the spotlight in its time and place.  that's a weird example, but
you know what i mean -- and it is the same thing.

so if everyone who's complaining could just stop, i'll be very greatful.  (as
a digest person, i can't just delete, so think of something more creative when
flaming, please.)  i just think there's more interesting/legitimate things to
be discussing than this new policy.  as someone pointed out, this really isn't
that important.  and, this isn't the same thing on a small scale we write
letters about through amnesty intr., because this isn't a political crime --
it is a legitimate enforcment of rules we all agreed to, and many of us
follow.

thank you.  now, to functions, and beyond!

~ emb

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 17:56:41 est
reply-to:     "carol ann ~call me carol~" <chickenwomyn@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         "carol ann ~call me carol~" <chickenwomyn@hotmail.com>
subject:      eye spy igc...i'm looking for a url
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i remember seeing some page awhile ago with really badly taken concert
pictures of the indigo girls...anyone know the addy? (pictures w/ their
heads cut off etc)
i'd like to see how good we are w/ cameras!!!
thanks!

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 18:42:56 -0500
reply-to:     sarah brady <sbrady1@email.unc.edu>
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from:         sarah brady <sbrady1@email.unc.edu>
subject:      re: six degrees of ig
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cool thread!
1) i work w/elaine
2) elaine went to college w/amy and em & is still friends w/them and amy's
family! (*for some reason she thinks my obsession is weird..i dunno*)
:)
-sarah

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  a&e  "i will walk down the street. i will hold my head high. i will say
   #    hello to everyone i meet. i will have love in my heart.  when i
   #    have hate, i will turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger,
  _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
/ o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
'---'  a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will love.
and i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."  -amy ray

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 18:46:26 -0500
reply-to:     darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
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from:         darren glass <glassd@math.upenn.edu>
subject:      my...er...six degrees
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i was taught calculus by michael edwards
who is amy ray's cousin

or

a friend of mine
lived in the same apartment complex as michelle malone
who is...er...michelle

if we want to count of encounters instead of actually knowing the
people...

i sold amy comic books.

and

i almost ran over amy while she was jogging.

and

i sat next to emily at the bar at eddie's attic.

i guess being from atlanta makes this thread a little less exciting.

darren

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glassd@math.upenn.edu                     that you've dreamt of alligators"
http://www.math.upenn.edu/~glassd                     - r.e.m.
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 11:56:37 -0500
reply-to:     * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
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from:         * bar * <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
subject:      *very small number o' people*
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wow, i gotta hurry...  i know my hours are numbered!!  yikes!

my kind friend wrote**if you notice, most posts come from a very small
number of people.**
oh no! ya caught me!  drat!  if that small number of people dent post, what
would you read?  who would people complain about?  who would all the cranky
people get mad at?  we provide a very necessary service, and i have a
hundred plus emails to prove it!  and we don't take this seriously! this is
for entertainment value.  some things discussed are of tremendous
importance, but this is fluff, silliness.  we're just having some fun! *hey,
it's only life after all.*

luv, bar
who knows her days are numbered...
okay, my hours are numbered...

                           peace + love,
                      forever a flower child
                  * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *
   water retention is nothing new to me ~ emily saliers
if you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention!
     bcorrice@wam.umd.edu   http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice
          http://www.wam.umd.edu/~bcorrice/dir.html
                    * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ * ~ *

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 18:51:18 -0500
reply-to:     chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      re: my...er...six degrees
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my good friend once shared a hottub with the fab duo!  had he been a
smoker he could have lit amy's cigarette!  (this was a while ago, not to
resurrect the "amy smokes" thread.)

chris ii

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 18:52:56 est
reply-to:     poohbea487@aol.com
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from:         laura whitlock <poohbea487@aol.com>
subject:      re: nigc, but if i get a strike for *this*, i will be mad
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uh...this is a "me too." i am the editor of my school newspaper, so i used my
handy "letter from the editor" column to rant about some unfortunate things i
heard around me school after matthew shepard's death. in six years, i have
known one openly gay person at my school, and homosexuality is never talked
about. the paper came out three days ago, and for the first time ever, the
headmaster appears to have read something other than the editorial page. he
mentioned it in chapel (episcopalian school) in front of about 1000 people. it
is incredibly unusual for any administrative person to take a controversial
stand on anything...especially in all-school chapel. three teachers have told
me that now they can prove homophobia is a legitimate issue to discuss in the
diversity/ acceptance meetings. my mom teaches at my school, so when the
headmaster saw her after chapel, he gave her a hug and told her she did a good
job raising me. score one for freedom of speech.
-laura

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 19:11:29 -0500
reply-to:     susan olson <skolson@innernet.net>
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from:         susan olson <skolson@innernet.net>
subject:      ig & biblical illusions
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picking up on frieda's  "amy and biblical allusions" theme, i'd add that i
became a fan because  amy and emily's music is so rich in that language.
i'm a college chaplain to be precise, and have never related to the
sunshiney ooey gooey stuff out there called "christian music".  the ig
music picks up biblical language and theological themes in a way that is
very powerful and authentic.  i use their music in sermons and in bible
studies all the time!   yes, i know that neither one claims this faith
anymore, but i am so fed by the imagery.....

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 20:05:36 +0000
reply-to:     j lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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from:         j lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
subject:      response and more clarification ...
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hi folks...

        i'm not quite sure where to begin...some of you have been a bit verbose
today.

        but i think i'll begin with asking everyone, once again, to take this
debate to private email.  i implemented the new policy.  if you do not
agree with it, please let me know privately.

        and in regards to the new policy...it still stands and some may receive
their strike notifications tonight, or even suspension.

        as for the clarification...lemme try to explain the new policy again.  i
have never indicated, said or otherwise stated the complete and absolute
end to nigc.  i happen to like and think it's great when interesting nigc
topics are introduced on the list.  but, once introduced, those topics
should then be taken off the list.
        it's when we begin to discuss nigc beyond the scope of an ig related forum
that the guidelines come into play.  with very few exceptions (public
flaming and posting private messages for example), the list as a whole will
get a public request to take it to private email.  now in the past, this
has come from many people...and that still holds true.  anyone on this list
can request for a nigc topic to be taken to private email...anyone.  the
list owner usually steps in when those requests are being ignored.  it's
the disregard for each other, and for the list owners (past and present)
that prompted me to implement the new policy.
        the 3 strike policy comes into effect when people continue to ignore
requests to take nigc to private email.  and this is why several of you
will receive strikes tonight.  the new policy debate has been going on for
quite some time and there have been many requests to take it private.
        of course, this is not all inclusive, but this seems to be the major point
of contention right now.
        if you are not sure of your interpretation of the new policy, then email
me privately.  please stop sending angry notes to the list because this
will only serve to perpetuate the negative feelings permeating the list
right now.

        please remember why we are on this list...to talk about ig and related
topics.  there are some great new threads happening now...please take part!

                thank you.

                        jen

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 21:09:44 -0600
reply-to:     analog kid <dragonjen@spydee.net>
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from:         analog kid <dragonjen@spydee.net>
subject:      nigc.... please read.... important.
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i would like to apologize for my earlier post (re: wondering) in which i =
made several inappropriate remarks.  after rethinking the things that i =
said, especially in my closing paragraph, i would like to offer an =
apology - my remarks were crude and intentionally hurtful and probably =
the lowest thing i've ever said to anyone on this list.  i'm sorry.

also, i've been corrected with regards to somehting i said - the people =
i mentioned who publicly posted in support of the strikes policy also =
received strikes... so not only was i an absolute jerk, i was also wrong =
in the process. =20

extremely humbled,
~~jennifer
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
too many hands on my time, too many feelings
too many things on my mind
when i leave i don't know what i'm hoping to find
when i leave i don't know what i'm leaving behind...
  ~~neil peart
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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 19:09:45 -0500
reply-to:     burton emanuelle neuman <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
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from:         burton emanuelle neuman <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
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        1) one of my favorite professors has a very dear friend from her
bay area days.

        2) this friend is amy ray's first cousin.

        in fact, this professor of mine has had lunch with both of them!

        mandy

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 12:00:32 -0500
reply-to:     "antall. scott" <ssa@mail.aphanet.org>
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from:         "antall. scott" <ssa@mail.aphanet.org>
subject:      fw: mm: relax, take a deep breath
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it was suggested that i forward this to the lists to explain my
thoughts.

> -----original message-----
> from: antall. scott
> sent: thursday, november 05, 1998 11:25 am
> to:   'rainswept@nwu.edu'
> subject:      re: mm: relax, take a deep breath
>
> i think you know what i am talking about.  i enjoy learning things
> about new artists.  i enjoy hearing other people's thoughts about the
> artist.  i ever enjoy most of the non-subject talk that happens,
> because i can learn about new artists, books, webpages, etc.
>
> i don't enjoy seeing 20 me-too posts screaming about one topic or
> another.  i'll forward you the examples i am thinking about.    i
> don't enjoy reading posts from the self-righteous people who send
> flame after flame.
>
> i wish people would take the lists a little more lightly.  talk about
> the music, learn from each other and then move on.  there is no reason
> get so excited.  that's all i'll say.
>

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 12:05:19 est
reply-to:     fendersac@aol.com
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from:         shelia carwile <fendersac@aol.com>
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        finally, finally, finally....a voice from the majority of people who never
post.  i am getting famous for just scrolling the list of mail with my damn
delete button held down firmly and sadly.  people, young'ns, glorified ones at
least in your twenties.....hear my plea.  can you imagine something creative
or interesting before you post...can you e-mail your little friends privately
to report that you might have smelled amy or emily fart at your last little
concert attendance??
i am so patient and quiet when it comes to this listing....and occasionally i
have to just say shut the fuck up (i call jilly@hotmamil as my witness) but my
god,
you regulars bore me to death.  flame me, spank me, please pretend i care.
there are so many people that are reading this saying....yes, yes, yes...tell
'em
fendresac...tell them to shut the hell up with the stupid stuff.
ahhhh....do i feel better.  sorry, oh manager of this thing, for my language.
you know how little girls can get on your nerves....
pretending to be a listee------>>>>   "peace and love and shit and hey
everybody and me too me too me too..."
blah blah blah
shelia~~~~fendersac@aol.com

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 12:06:48 -0500
reply-to:     k645501b@edinboro.edu
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from:         "karrie, woman of many moods" <karrie@ncinter.net>
organization: pure and total unadulterated hell
subject:      buh-freakin-bye
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heil hitler.

my cat is named indi, so me too, me too, me too.

and, oh yeah, i would send some private email to the list, but i
couldn't decide which chain letter to mail.

i find it pretty sad that posters who have been here for years and have
managed to function fine without the indigo police are leaving.

and i think all the new and nigc friendly ig lists are fuckin' stupid
too.

have a nice life.  i will stick with indigohio.  when people here become
human again, someone let me know.

back to thesis hell.
karrie

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          indigo. indigoing. indigone.
              - - tom robbins

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 20:15:47 est
reply-to:     emistar919@aol.com
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from:         emily kropp <emistar919@aol.com>
subject:      re: six degrees of ig
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hehe:)
this is fun!
1) i know my aunt
2)  my aunt was lisa germano's roommate in college
3) lisa played w\ indigo girls!

wow, that was only 3!  pretty impressive, huh?  ;)

emily

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date:         thu, 5 nov 1998 12:43:52 -0800
reply-to:     bean@neu.edu
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from:         elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
organization: northeastern university, faculty senate office, 442 ry,
              360 huntington ave., boston, ma  02115
subject:      re: i will not be complacent
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* bar * wrote:
> if you have the text with amy's infamous i will not be complacent statement,
> pleace email me privately..
> better yet, email a copy to the big list and the fun list.
>
---------------------------------------------
"are you awake? yes, i am awake. can you get up? i can't get up. why
can't
you? because i don't want to. why don't you want to? 'cause everything
comes down real hard. why does everything come down? because i let it.
you
let it? i let it. you let it? i let it. can you learn this? i can learn
this. let me teach you something. i will be taught. when you get up in
the
morning, we all want to say this. you will say: i will walk down the
street. i will hold my head high. i will say hello to everyone i meet. i
will have love in my heart. when i have hate, i will turn my hate into
energy. when i have anger, i will turn my anger into energy.  when i am
negative, i will be negative only for as long as i need to be, until i
understand it and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent.
and i will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
be a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole.  and i will love.
and
i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."-amy ray

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ok,ok, my midterms are through, so i can finally post again, though i'm kinda
glad i haven't had time the past week or so...

so, here's my stuff!

1.  my friend amanda has been on david letterman (she won the national
spelling bee one year)

2. a & e know david letterman (ok, i know it's been taken, but's it's the
closest i can get!)


i guess i didn't have as much as i thought... oh well, i'm tired.  i'd better
go to bed, so i can get up and see snow...

love
kar

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anyone planning to go?  nov. 22nd at the riviera.  please e-mail me privately.  i have a favor to ask.

peace,
shelley

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ok
a new list manager takes over and imlements a three strikes policy, i kinda
actually thought it was a sarcastic joke, and for the record i sold jen a
seventh row center ticket to the great woods ppv show, but there's no way it
practically can be enforced, mind you this is jmho, and i am simply adding
my *relevant* perspective to this whole thing.
first of all, ms. lucero, thanks very much for taking the list over, now
offer it to someone else, because all your policy has set to do is divide
and separate people. period.
secondly, how realistic is it to ban someone when they can have at least 40
free web based email addresses. that's whaty makes me laugh, it can't be
done, same with irc , people suck, they really hate authority, they thumb
their noses at it, you can not ban someone from a list for speaking their
mind, i will not be a member of any list where the person is being banned
for talking off topic, and not being completely opposing of the charter of
the list. there have been many listmasters, (and i speak from experience, i
run a low traffic health-related list and have done so for five years) not
one person has been banned from the list in the over six years i've been on
it, does anyone remember how they wanted certain listee's like d-mon (who
btw, seeded every copy of tuesday's children, in it's entireity) banned
because they were too bossy?
i don't want support the actions and nigc (mostly juvenile and petty, too
bad feelings arent) some people off-list have partaked in - this whole
strike policy is totally against the same things the ig *strive* for, an
inclusive environment for *everyone*, now people are going to
www.e-make-your-own-list.com for an alternative.

that really saddens me - when i first got online in college a few days past
six years ago - i got a musical lists of lists post - i worship rem, but i
needed the ig list.  back then it was much more of a community, as people
were far less subscribed in numbers, but because of the list i got to see
some amazing shows, ig and otherwise, noone will ever take that away from me
- not now - hopefully not ever.
for you to institute this policy (and it is a policy i actually agreed
with, you said you would not be using it. you said you had no intentions of
using it) i seriously cannot believe what my mailbox has been seeing with
the three strikes policy. i mean am i now in eighth grade and will i get  a
detetion after class? am i "not cool" and am i not going to get more strikes
because i'm not "acceptable"?
i only bring this "inclusive" (which has nothing to do with free speech,
that arguement is mute in my mind, funny how people who *abuse* posting
scream free speech) but it just reeks, it's not working and as a listmaster,
i'm openly calling jen on her actions, i could care less if she "strikes"
me on it (again *anyone* can get subbed to this list via web based email.)

no one has had to be banned from the list in six years, if you even gave
someone a two week notice or what ever your little mind had it lined up as,
you are defeating the spirit of the list, what if ig do a college december
tour and certain person doesn't get ticket info, doesn't get the one boot of
the tape that came out? doesn't get to see their first show? is this
bullsh*t (yes censored) policy going to be to blame? are you wanting to play
god? sorry, i've had a great deal of people do that to me before in my life
- i refuse to let you do this to a list i am willing to fight for.

this is a public post basically calling for a recinding of the three strikes
rule or you offering the list up to someone who can manage it without it
spliting into two different list (and if it doesn't change i guess i just
stay on the ever friendly baigl list) but this bickering and subjegation
must stop.
i expect a public reply to this post, i also will easily say i'd take over
tihs list but my work schedule is around 55 hours a weeks with commuting
time and *i* have no time to take it over.

peace- sorry if you take it hostile - just calling it as i see it.
(listening to the first minute of "see you around" by vic chesnutt as i end
this, somehow appropriate.)
mike r.

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yay!! i got one... kinda..

1) my ballet teacher met ani

2) ani knows the girls!

wooohooo! = )

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okay, here's mine!

i worked in the same library system as emily's mom, and actually had contact
with her (mom, not emily!--very nice lady by the way!!!) then when i had
kids of my own, jane (emily's mom) was my children's librarian and knew us
all by name!

i lived next door to josh joplin of  the josh joplin band (love josh and his
music--great band!!), and he worked on the thrive cd with ig. and i would
imagine knows them from the indie music scene.

i banked at bond community credit union and sheila doyle of big fish
ensemble, who has also performed that incredible electric violin many a time
with ig, was often my teller until she moved up in the ranks!!

can you tell i used to live in atlanta? and i moved to portland, or why?....
(actually i love the pacific northwest, but miss the land of ig)

peace y'all,  laura

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now this is a great thread!  i am absolutely convinced of the six degrees.
usually, it seems to me that there are even fewer than six.  i know several
people who have had direct association with a&e:  one of whom was their driver
on their most recent visit to nwe orleans.  emily went to tulane university,
here, and she played frequently at a coffeehouse called the penny post.  about
a year later she went back to atlanta, and several months later, i came to new
orleans and became a regular, then a member, then a manager of the penny post,
so i know a bunch of people who knew her.  i know someone whose best friend up
in madison wisconsin  drove them around that city.  and i know someone who
interviewed amy in nashville for a student newspaper, then corresponded with
her regularly for awhile before they lost touch.
freida

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i forgot to take my ritilin today....

but seriously tho..  i was totally out of line today and i'm sorry.  i'm
sorry for wasting band with (or however you say that) and i'm especially
sorry to the digest folks.. i dent realize the burden that multiple posts
impose.  and i'm even more especially sorry to jen, list owner.

so, in closing, i'm truly sorry to the whole list and to our list owner...

bad bar

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        hi folks,

        i've been thinking of nothing but the situation on the list for the past
two days.  there are a great many people who have had lots to say
publically, and many more who have responded to me privately.

        after thinking through the many aspects and ramifications of adhering to
the new policy of 3 strikes, i have come to a what i hope is a somewhat
conciliatory decision.

        the 3 strike policy still stands.  but i will give everyone a second
chance.  to those who already received strikes, and to those who posted
today...all wiped clean.

        why?  it is not to placate, but rather to adhere to my own statement from
earlier this evening.  i realized that i, as the list owner, never actually
spoke out to the list and requested we take this discussion to private
email before instituting the new policy and issuing strikes...

        so, tonight, i've asked, as have many other members of this community,
that we discuss the new policy privately.

        that said...beginning tomorrow, friday, november 6, 1998, the 3 strike
policy will go into full effect.  no exceptions.  if you do not agree with
this, please do not clutter the list with posts...send them to me privately.

        if you need more clarification...please ask me!  i love to answer email!
honest!

        thanks for reading another longish post from me.

                        jen

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alright, anything to procrastinate my homework for a few more minutes...

1. my friend betsy knows one of amy's sisters
2. (duh) amy's sister knows amy

wow, that was fun. indigo dreams folks.
-sam (who still wants to know more about zoe's trip cuz they played here again tonight)

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i have a couple, but boy are they feeble.

1. i did a bunch of dissertation work at the uptown lounge.
2. live at the uptown lounge.

um, pitiful. how bout:

1. one of my good friends in graduate school was pam.
2. pam was stepped on by amy at a music festival in atlanta once. (pam also
had it *bad* for amy, btw.)

not much better. another angle:

1. i spoke to mike mills out on the street in athens, gave bill berry
directions at our debate tournament, and stood in line for coffee behind
michael stipe.
2. "tried to be true" and "kid fears".

yikes. okay, last try:

the night that jcs:ar opened in atlanta, i was in da house. after michael
lorant sang "heaven on their minds," all the atlanta talent came out on stage
and sang "what's the buzz". right where jesus is supposed to burst in, a
spotlight came on that got me right in the eyes. blinded me but good. just for
a second, the thought flashed through my mind, "why are they spotlighting me?
what am i suppose to do?" amy had come down the aisle and was standing >>right
behind<< me, and belted out her first line "why should you want to know" right
in my ear. scared the stuffings out of me.

oh well. some of us just have to be fans from afar. the music still sounds
just as good. :)

doyle srader
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wow, been unsubbed for a while, come back, and what the hell is going on here?
for as long as i have (or had) been on this list, sherilyn weaved in and out
of it with a deft administrative touch.  and now there is a new "owner" who
has come down the holy mountain with a fistful of rules?  could someone else
please buy the list back?  or what is the impeachment process?  isn't this-
here list thing supposed to be for fun?  how can it be when big person
(gender-sensitive) acts as judge jury and prosecutor in doling out punishments
every day?  sheesh!

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i've been on this list for many years, seen it change hands a few times,
seen it change personality many times.  sherilyn did a great job for a long
time, but she got too busy (as did the list) to do it anymore. we should be
_thanking_ the new owner (it's jen, right? sorry) who is doing this for
nothing other than the good of the list.
cheers, jen, for taking on this project that i wouldn't do even if i were
paid, and thanks for regulating. all the best
jasmine

at 06:46 am 11/6/98 -0500, you wrote:
>wow, been unsubbed for a while, come back, and what the hell is going on
here?
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>has come down the holy mountain with a fistful of rules?
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any comments about the daemon records show in nyc last night? i couldn't
make it  :(
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hey,
i wanna try this.

1.  i once worked with a girl named karen
2.  karen was a friend of someone on the road crew.

or

1.  i went to a concert
2.  em and amy were playing.
ha ha

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okay kiddies, here's my six degrees, in the interest of returning the list to normal.

1) i have a second cousin once removed, john, who lives in atlanta and who i stay with every time i go up there.  his wife sandy taught me how to cuss when i was 7.  :o)

2) when john and sandy first got married, they lived behind shamrock high school.... next door to amy.

the coolbeansest part of this is that this was back before amy and em met - amy was still in that young-child stage where a friend of the family who is not related is "uncle" or "aunt" so-and-so.... and my cousin is older than me so when i was little they were "uncle" and "aunt" to me as well... so i guess this makes amy and me surrogate cousins!!  :o)

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a while ago there was a thread about how many ig cds people had.  i
remember some posts where people said they had like 50 cds (or some big
number) w/the girls on them...and i only have 12 so i was wondering if
someone could tell me what all the other ones are...
thanks!
sarah

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  _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
/ o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
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i missed it too, and i;d like to hear any reviews, etc......amy e

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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 00:18:14 -0500
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1) my good friend is eva

2) eva's cousin is karuna

3) karuna had an english teacher who she still keeps in contact with.
the teacher was fired from the school for being a lesbian and she is amy
ray's sister.

that's not so far, is it?

erica

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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 08:36:53 pst
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my turn!  my turn!

1)  i performed on stage at the iu auditorium (choir and iu sing).

2)  da girls performed on stage at the iu auditorium.

okay, so that's a bit of a stretch.  let's see what else...

1)  i placed a personal ad when i was living out in california.

2)  one of the women who responded was friends with some of the people
in smoke.

3)  smoke played with the girls on hkf.

still stretching...what else...

1)  i lived in bloomington, indiana (population 60,000)

2)  lisa germano lived in bloomington, indiana (population 60,000)

3,4,5)  chances are i knew at least someone who knew someone who knew
her (i mean really, downtown is all of two blocks).

6)  lisa germano played with da girls during the sst tour (and recorded
with them.

hmmm...still a stretch.  what else?

1)  my brother was in monkey, a ska band in california.

2)  one of the bands that sometimes opened for them was ibopa.

3)  ibopa got mentioned in curve magazine about a year ago for being one
of the more interesting "up-&-coming" queer-centric (i don't remember
the exact verbiage, but something to that effect) bands.

4)  the girls have been in curve.

okay, last one...

1)  i traded jilly a come cd for the priveledge of wearin' her pants.

2)  jilly is married to thalia.

3)  thalia toured with the girls during sst.

i said it.  that doesit.  over & out.

take care,
shel

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1) i know victor delorenzo formerly of the violent femmes (family friend)
2) amy and emily toured with victor and the femmes in the early mid 80's
(he says they're wonderful, unassuming people.)

(i can also do a really long one involving involving  joan biaz, my father
getting his hand stepped on by bob dylan and a small welsh corgi, but it
might not be worth the effort.)
--sarah

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ok, i'll play...

!)  amy breaks a lot of guitar strings...

2)  i break a lot of guitar strings....

3)  amy and me, we be mates.....

*crocodile timmy*

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here's mine...
1-i have a best friend named michelle
2-michelle is friends with troy from danielle howle and the tantrums
3-dh&the tantrums play with a&e

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1)  my name is amy
2) amy's name is...amy...

it's a special connection we share  ;-)

oh yes, and i go to state univ. of west georgia (formerly west ga college)
where amy and emily once played, years ago.

amy, who's feelin the luv...

ps my partner and i share our sixth anniversary today!  yippee!!  :-d

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awesome thread!  yippeee...about time :)

anywhoo, i guess this falls under the "encounter" category, but me
thinks it should still count!

1. i went to a concert at sdsu
2. i snuck backstage
3. i rapped with amy about native american history for about 20 min.


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here's mine---
1.my best friend's exroommate's father did the legal work for the girls
2. my basketball coach was invited to a private party with the girls
and is friends with a lot of their friends from emory
3. my exteammate's sister is friends with emily from a girl's camp.
okay, these aren't real connections, but they are cool nonetheless
oh, my best friend jere used to work out beside amy on the treadmill at
north ga. college,and even invited her to go mountain biking.....
that one about killed me.
jeri

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hkf's,

reallllll weak but bear with me...
1.      one time on the web i saw a picture of emily & sully gambling at vegas
around the time i think they played that benefit over there (was it no
nukes??)
2.      a few weeks later (last weekend) i was sitting in vegas gambling with my
friends!!!

and of course <g!> (duh?!) i was sitting in the same seat as emily cause
there aren't that many big casinos in vegas... right?!!

well...... here's my next try...
1.      i patted emily on the (left) shoulder with my right hand at an hte show.
2.      i shook amy's hand at a chiapas benefit (w/ my right hand).
3.      i (me!!!!) carry my right hand around with me where ever i go!!!!!!

8-)
"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"-es

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on fri, 6 nov 1998, amy cason wrote:

> 1)  my name is amy
> 2) amy's name is...amy...
>
> it's a special connection we share  ;-)
>
> oh yes, and i go to state univ. of west georgia (formerly west ga college)
> where amy and emily once played, years ago.
>

hey! my name's amy too! woo hoo. (oops, sorry)

happy anniversary, amy.

amy m.

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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 11:54:09 -0800
reply-to:     monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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list stuff: i'm a bit puzzled and somewhat bummed out at how quickly
we're jumping from one flame war to the next. two weeks ago, people took
it on themselves to judge events they had very little info on and
thought it was appropriate to condemn folks they'd heard were linked to
the events. we found out that turned out to be an ill-advised and overly
hasty move.
this week, folks are jumping all over the new list owner because they do
not understand where she's coming from. once again, quick to judge
without having really connected with the person involved. i know this is
email but why do elementary principles of courtesy and mutual respect
get forgotten in the the rush to judgement? if you disagree with jen,
have you considered having an open-minded exchange with her to make sure
you understand what she's trying to do before calling her to task on the
list?
i somehow doubt it because i happen to know she's a completely
reasonable person from my interactions with her and her gf. have you
considered that you're attacking (some of you rather viciously) a fellow
ig lover and human being with real feelings?
if everyone who wants to flame jen on the list took the time to try to
understand what she's doing, they might still disagree with the list
rules, the 3 strikes or suspension policies but at least the posts to
the list voicing this disagreement could be done in a more civil way.
if we're going to disagree, could we do it on the issues and leave
personal attacks out of it?

this is long enough already so if you'd like to discuss this at more
length please send me private email. i'll get back to you as soon as
i've had some sleep :).
there is some ig relevance though. remember the daughters of the sun
book discussion? one of the questions that came up was how do a&e deal
with homophobia and religious intolerance in the people around them.
check out their answers (hint: it involves lots of 1-on-1 discussions
and trying to understand where folks are coming from in order to be
better able to find the right arguments.)

cheers,

monique

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i'm really bored today at work, thus this contribution.

1.  some relatives of mine live in newport, one of whom worked the
     newport folk festival one year.
2.  this cousin met a&e.

god - i'm reallly bored.

elaine

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am i still allowed to post this kind of thing to the big list?? oh
well i'm so psyched!!

lel's birthday is tuesday, and she and i went shopping for last minute
birthday presents this afternoon! we went into bath and body works cuz
they have the cutest little snowman shaped things...but anyhow! as we
were looking, hootie and the blowfish was singing some christmas song
and i was thinking eywww..and then it ended and a familiar voice came
on...

i stopped dead in my tracks i was like amy!!!!!!! i grabbed lel's arm
and kind of shrieked "amy!" and she was like "what song is this?"
it was "it won't take long" playing in bath and body works! it struck
me as odd that this song was playing, but i was so happy..i just kind
of wandered around the store because i couldn't concentrate while
listening to the song! :)

*hugs*

lamia


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hey all!

i have a feeling since i have been sick with a very bad cold, i have dropped
the ball on 2 or 3 sst boots.

please email me if i owe you one.  i am the may person in the chicago ii tree.

thanks and sorry for being a flake!

babs

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(no, really, this is ig content.)

on my way to school this morning i was listening to channel 103.1, and
through the static (that station has possibly the worst transmitter in
los angeles) i heard the opening chords of "hammer and a nail!"  (i'm
happy.  that's the third different ig song i've heard on that station
since it started up two weeks ago.  incidentally i think it does a web
broadcast in realaudio at www.channel1031.com.)

one of their station ads also has a recorder of a listener calling in and
saying something like, "i love this station, stuff like indigo girls,
that you don't usually hear on other radio stations, you guys play that a
lot and it's great!"

freaky thing is, i was listening to my ig history of us boot (thank you
audra) the other day on my way to school and popped the tape out of the
car stereo shortly after "melissa."  the radio happened to be on 103.1,
and about two minutes after i took the tape out, they started playing the
original allman brothers band version of the song!


        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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into the light; but i fear that to fall in love with you is to fall from a
great and gruesome height . . . "  -- dar williams, "iowa (traveling iii)"

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for the past week i have read all the three strikes complaints.  i have
to say that i am tired of all the bitching and griping about it.  not
the honest disagreements with the policy, but the out and out childish
griping - as if to deliberately elicit stikes - much of which has filled
my mailbox today.

first of all, i suspect more people have left, are leaving, and will
leave this list because of the crap that jen is attempting to cut down
on, than the implementation of  a three strikes policy.  the policy is
basically giving people three chances to abide by the rules of the list.
and even then, a third time offender isn't off the list for good.  it
really isn't that unreasonable.  i hate to say this, but if people are
so upset about a policy that enforces the existing posting rules that
they leave the list, that might be best.  i guess i just feel like
listees who don't make a practice of posting junk and flaming people
probably wouldn't have any problem abiding by this policy.  i would
expect the people who do this regularly to oppose or even resent it.

we need to remember that membership on this list is not a birthright.
it is a privilege.  this list can be a fun place, but even playgrounds
have rules of order.  groundrules (when people obey them, and i think
most people on this list do) make life on this list a lot easier.  there
is nothing restrictive or stuffy about that.  there will always be nigc
on this list, and i don't  think jen is trying to eliminate it.  i, for
one, was very glad to see her put her foot down.  i agree with deb(?)
that life on this list probably won't change that much with this new
policy, except that maybe there will be a reduction in the amount of
garbage and flames that get posted.  i, too, miss the happier times on
this list.  i don't want to have to unsubscribe, and i suspect most
other listees would rather not have to either.  i think the "rights" of
the list as a whole take precedence over the  "rights" of an individual
or a small group.

peace,

joan :-d

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ok i have an idea for a new thread. lots of people have been talking
about old times on the list. this made me think---

what is your favorite memory about this list? for example, concert
experiences, discussions, etc.

this isn't meant to talk about how "great" it used to be and how
"horrible" it is now. the point is to direct discussion towards
something positive.

so---any memories? anyone?


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ok, i have an idea for an interesting conversation topic:-)
                i always hear these dumb guys at my school talking about what they "went
through"  for their band of choice....like how many hours they stood in line
to get front row seats, how many record stores the went to at 12 a.m. monday
night looking for the new album, how many consecutive shows they went
to....stuff like that.

so....i want to hear all of your outrageous stories about how far you went to
see ig, meet ig, hear ig, etc.

you can send them privately or post them to the list so we can all gape in
amazement at your unhealthy obsession;)

can't wait to hear!
emily

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its no longer listed in the sig as to how to unsubscribe(oops..gee i
didn't mean to yell)  and i read the faq and it ain't there either and i
have been asked  how and i just don't know so can i please get off this
list..pretty please..
thank you

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um. um um.
the self-inflicted rules of your list is to now repeat what a listee said, and
alas, i check mail and see fendersac made the news.  <~~~turned on, slightly.
if all must contain ig content, i guess maybe you were thinking i play their
song pretty well on my precious acoustic fender.  hummm...that little camera
had to belong to someone in the corner of my living room.
jilly makes me feel so special, but you may mention me anytime...
ahhhhh ....shucks... ::dragging leg slightly and looking down:::getting all
mistyeyed again.

deep breath,
shelia  <~~~fendersac@aol.com

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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 17:28:02 pst
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hey y'all!!!

ever since shanie mentioned 103.1fm in the l.a. area, i've had it on my
stereo, just waiting and waiting to hear the indigo girls...i, too,
heard the commercial where the girl says, "you play ig"; and another
radio commercial, where artists say their names, and all of a sudden,
(this was just prior to the barenaked ladies concert i went to on
tuesday night), i hear emily saliers' voice pipe up, "we're the indigo
girls!" and i get so tremendously excited!!!

anyway, today after lunch, i was backing out of my garage and heard a
familiar voice as the radio antenna was going up. (you're right, shanie,
it has the worst transmission--heard it was based in west la) i had
automatically shoved my lilith/ig mix tape in--and my brain said, "wait
a sec!"

i ejected the tape, and heard, "suzanne calls from boston the coffee's
hot the corn is high, and that same sun that warms your face..."etc. my
face automatically brightened up as my ears heard "get out the map".
i'm such an ig groupie-newbie (3-98).  that just made my day.

obsession with ig is evidenced by the following:
1. buying lilith fair tickets on sunday, may 3, first day of sale, and
suffragette sessions tix to both chicago shows on saturday,aug. 1, also
first day of sale, and calling the riviera theatre(night club) several
times to ask when ss would be on sale.
2. having my ig shrine on the wall above the fireplace in my bedroom
with shel's and my pictures of the ss, the 20x30 blown-up pic of ig, the
autographed-by-em sots cd cover, setlist, and sigc sign.

if you look at me right now, i'll burst out laughing (heh heh),
diane - who just realized today that she heard caramia live at lilith
fair this past june. =d~

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okay, my turn...

1.)     i used to work with a girl whose dad helped run summer nights at the pier
in seattle....
2.)     her dad got her free tickets to all 3 of the girls' shows last summer
including backstage passes...
3.)     she actually got to shake their hands!!!! (turning simply plaid with envy)


okay, lame i admit...but the best i can do for now...

dawn

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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 14:12:53 est
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hummm...fendersac pondering.
1.  antigone40 has found a tic tac in amy's hotel room and i sneak into
antigone's hotel room some...hehe...through the "backdoor"
2.  okay..a real one...   seen my precious geniuses of chord progressions
thirteen times, and never once......not even after telling them i knew
jilly@hotmail...
has one of them ever had the pleasure of meeting me.
they must have had you confused with deb...jilly....hahahahahahah.
ahem.
3. i took a shit one time that i swear looked just like the outline of emily's
face....not that she looks like shit.
never mind...i remember now...i was dropping acid that night.
that should fall under "you know you are obsessed when..."  sorry.
well, alas, my buckets came up empty...but thanks for listening...i have
always
wanted to tell someone about the shit.

jilly...(if yo ass ain't done struck)...do i sound 19 yet...do i fit in?
hehe

shelia <~~~fendersac@aol.com

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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 11:18:38 -0800
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>1.  i went to a concert
>2.  em and amy were playing.
>ha ha


hey, what a coincidence!!! i've had the exact same experience-maybe i saw
you there and didn't even know it was you! hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!

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hey y'all...here's an idea for a new thread...how about the worst possible
concert lineups--real or imagined.  strange, twisted, or just plain sick and
wrong...for instance, marilyn manson, kenny g, and tim noah with special guest
zamfir...

ohboy am i bored tonight....

dawn

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hey y'all...good news!!!!!!!!!!!!!   (copied from aol w/out permission...oops)

newt gingrich resigning from congress

by david espo
.c the associated press

washington (nov. 6) - in a stunning end to a tumultuous career as house
speaker, newt gingrich abruptly dropped plans to seek a new term friday after
republicans lost five seats in this week's election.  in his conversation with
the rank-and-file, gingrich indicated he would also leave congress before
taking the oath for the term he won only 72 hours ago.

''we have to get the bitterness out...,'' he told fellow republicans in a
conference call. ''it is clear that as long as i'm around that won't happen.''

gingrich dropped his bombshell three days after his party was blindsided in
mid-term elections. already, one lawmaker had stepped forward to challenge him
for his powerful post, and others were weighing candidacies, as well.

gingrich's departure is likely to set up a wide-open succession struggle for
the post that the constitution places third-in-line to the presidency.

rep. bob livingston of louisiana announced his effort to dethrone gingrich
during the afternoon, and rep. bill archer, chairman of the ways and means
committee, was canvassing support even before gingrich broke the news to his
staff, fellow gop leaders and then the rank-and-file in a series of conference
calls.

''i am appreciative of newt gingrich for bringing us to the majority and even
more thankful that he understands that for the republican party to go the
distance, we need a new leader,'' said rep. michael forbes, r-n.y.

in his conversation with the rank and file, gingrich several times referred to
cannibalism to reflect the gop infighting that has broken out in the wake of
tuesday's setbacks. ''the idea that i would be the excuse to cannibalize the
majority is so sickening i couldn't risk it,'' he said, according to sources.

white house spokeswoman julia payne said president clinton was aware of news
reports about gingrich's announcement.

gingrich's departure would mark an abrupt end to a remarkable career in which
the georgian rose from back-bencher in a seemingly permanent gop minority to
architect of the republican takeover of the house in 1994. even his critics
acknowledged his intellect and ability, but after four years, even his allies
had grown weary of his management style.

republicans lost five seats in tuesday's elections, the first time since 1934
that the party in power in the white house mad scored gains in mid-term
elections. it left them with a 223-211 majority with one independent.

the outcry was instantaneous. gingrich came under fire from fellow
republicans. some complained about a late-campaign series of television
commercials, and some complained he gave away too much to president clinton
and the democrats in year-end budget negotiations.

gingrich had flirted with resigning as speaker in the past when he was
buffeted by political setbacks and crises, including the politically
disastrous 1995 government shutdowns and an abortive coup against him last
year. eat time, though, he resolved to stay in his post.

livingston's decision to challenge the georgia republican for the speakership
was the latest manifestation of the seething within party ranks over setbacks
in this week's elections.

''revolutionizing takes some talents, many talents,'' livingston, a 20-year
house veteran from louisiana, said in praise of gingrich at a news conference
where he announced his candidacy. ''day-to-day governing takes others,'' he
added. ''i believe i have those talents.''

livingston stepped before the microphones a few hours after rep. steve largent
of oklahoma announced plans to challenge majority leader dick armey of texas,
the second-ranking leader among house republicans.

the elections, in which house republicans lost five seats, indicate that ''the
republican party hit an iceberg'' on nov. 3, largent said. ''and i think the
question that is before our conference today is whether we retain the crew of
the titanic or we look for some new leadership.''

behind the scenes, there was ample evidence of the turmoil in the party's
highest ranks, a reflection of the frustration livingston and others feel with
gingrich's leadership style, and long-festering animosities among top leaders
themselves.

sources who spoke on condition of anonymity said gingrich and livingston, who
have worked closely for years, had talked by phone in the hours before
livingston made his formal announcement.

at one point, livingston faxed gingrich a three-page letter containing an
implicit suggestion that he might be willing to drop his challenge to the
speaker in exchange for a grant of power. marked ''personal and
confidential,'' the letter called on gingrich to agree to a list of
requirements for the new congress. the requirements included giving livingston
''final authority to determine content'' of his committee's bills, ultimate
authority in the selection of his committee's members and authority to make
''all final decisions'' on last-minute deals with democrats or the white house
on appropriations matters.

after the letter was sent, livingston told gingrich to ignore it, say gop
sources, speaking on condition of anonymity.

livingston made his announcement at campaign-style rally with the capitol as a
backdrop. supporters and longtime associates had been urged to attend, and
some carried hand-painted signs that read, ''speaker bob.''

rep. jim talent of missouri, a third-termer who has been weighing a run for
governor in 2000, said through an aide he is seriously contemplating a run for
speaker. indiana rep. david mcintosh has also been flirting with a leadership
challenge, for speaker or another post. in addition, two lawmakers said they
would attempt to draft for the speaker's job rep. henry hyde, r-ill., who is
leading the impeachment investigation.

the leadership figure whose job looked safest was rep. tom delay of texas, the
whip. he issued a declaration of support for gingrich on thursday that
pointedly did not extend to armey or rep. john boehner of ohio, the fourth-
ranking leader, with whom he has clashed in the past.

delay raised his profile again friday, as sources said he was working to help
virginia republican rep. tom davis become chairman of the gop campaign
committee.

boehner, whose name had surfaced as a potential rival for armey, announced he
would seek re-election to his current post. but he already has at least one
rival, and the prospect of more. boehner's frustration with gingrich's
leadership style is an open secret among house aides, and his decision to seek
re-election to his current post apparently reflected a belief that livingston
could succeed in his challenge.

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i've emailed with emily's dad a few times concerning being the gay daughter of
a methodist minister since i am gay and my dad is a methodist minister like
her dad......i wanted some advice and guidance from him since he is in my
dad's shoes..........he was very nice and very helpful.

my boss is friends with one of amy's sisters friends......they all went to
florida on vacation two years ago.........my boss, her friend, amy's sister
(one of them) and her partner, and some other people.

so, i feel pretty lucky!

amanda

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okay, just so everyone knows...  no offense to anyone personally, but when
people talk about joan and the ig playing with her and all that other stuff...
everyone *always* spells her name wrong!!!  poor joan!!  amee rai and amily
salyers would be very upset!  ; )  just kidding, but it was a growing peeve
that suddenly made its way to the list as a post.  : )  it's joan baez.

love,
alissa

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did i miss anything about emily's shop in my mass deletions?  has anyone
posted about emily's new store?  a friend of mine went and said she found
emily happily tending bar, and that it's a charming little shop.  anyone
here been to "watershed" and care to tell us about it?

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can we at least call it "three hits"? :)

please, no hits -- just good clean fun...

- paul

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sorry to waste bandwidth, but if any folks out there in tennessee or the
surrounding area plan to go to the nashville noise [new abl team] home
opener saturday night or any of the upcoming games, and you'd like to
meet up before the game, e-mail me privately.

'twould be cool to get a group of ig listee/noise fans together!

peace,

joan :-d

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on fri, 6 nov 1998, joan morrison wrote:

> sorry to waste bandwidth, but if any folks out there in tennessee or the
> surrounding area plan to go to the nashville noise [new abl team] home
> opener saturday night or any of the upcoming games, and you'd like to
> meet up before the game, e-mail me privately.
>
> 'twould be cool to get a group of ig listee/noise fans together!
>
> peace,
>
> joan :-d
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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 23:07:36 -0500
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okay, here's mine:

1.  i'm on the same ig list as darren.

2.  and darren said:

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i was taught calculus by michael edwards
who is amy ray's cousin

or

a friend of mine
lived in the same apartment complex as michelle malone
who is...er...michelle

if we want to count of encounters instead of actually knowing the
people...

i sold amy comic books.

and

i almost ran over amy while she was jogging.

and

i sat next to emily at the bar at eddie's attic.
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tee hee,
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hi y'all...

another one bites the dust...i'm off for greener pastures.  (and every
other cliche i can think of)  i'm just not having any fun anymore.  but
before i go i must say a big thank you to everyone who sponsored me for
aids walk atlanta this year.  i raised $311, the most i've done so far.
so...thank you!!!  :-)

to everyone on this list who is not happy with current <ahem> management,
raise hell.  this is, after all, *your* list too.  i'd stick around if it
weren't for the plain and simple fact that this is my final semester at
college, i've got killer courses, and i just don't have the patience for
anything right now except graduating.  since this is my last post, let me
point out a few things.  several people have mentioned how it must only be
the "frequent posters" who are complaining about this new 3 strikes
rule...w r o n g.  i've been on this list for awhile...if memory serves me
correctly (and it probably doesn't <wink>) i've been around here for 2
years or so.  not long compared to others, but long enough to see this
list in really good times and really crappy times.  it is true that this
list goes in cycles.  i hope this cycle doesn't come to a screeching dead
halt this time..  anyhoo, here's my point...i didn't post much.  very
little, actually.  and yes i am one of the people who are very offended by
this new management tactic...i think there were probably several better
ways to either deal with the situation or to at least phrase the
situation...but that's not what happened.  this list as a whole got
condescended to as if we were a bunch of first graders.  i for one am an
individual with a fully functioning mind, and i am quite capable of adding
input about ways in which a solution can be reached...but we, the members
of this list, weren't asked for our opinions or help.  i've given it
anyway, through private mail, and the responses i've gotten so far tell me
that we are not going to be heard.  maybe the equivalent of a walk-out is
needed...?

someone (jill? bar?) please keep me posted.  i regret having to leave...i
hate this situation and i would like to help...but frankly i don't have
the energy for anything right now except my huge senior seminar project.
i've procrastinated enough as it is  ;-)

i'm very sad to be leaving.  perhaps after i'm out of hell whoops i mean
college i'll come back.
besos,
amy

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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 22:46:01 pst
reply-to:     intractable spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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did anyone go to the spitfire show where amy spoke for the second time?
is there a transcription of her speech (zapatistas, right?) anywhere
online?

also...thought you might be interested in this...
i did a review of the members of this list, and have found that, under
the new regime, its numbers are dropping:

>total number of "concealed" subscribers: 52
>total number of users subscribed to the list: 605 (non-"concealed"
only)
(from listserv@netspace.org)

i checked the subscriptions like 2 weeks ago, i forget why, but anyways,
at that time, if my memory serves me right, there were close to 700
non-concealed folks on here.  hmmm.  and keep in mind that many, like
myself, are still subbed, but have put their subscriptions on hold for
what i'm considering a temp-to-permanent position; so they're not really
"there".  like me. (oh, can you hear the shouts of joy from some of
you?!)  so, this is to say, all the crazy, tree-hugging,
birkenstock-wearing liberal liberals were right when they said that the
three strikes policy (you shoulda called it three hits, at least it
would've had *some* usefulness, namely, igc) would fragment this list.
the numbers are proving it.

happy trails.
jill

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i just saw holly hunter's new film "living out loud."

holly is hot in this film.  there is a wild scene
in a girl dance bar.  holly shows some of the
sexiest moves this side of a jane fonda exercise video!

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date:         sat, 7 nov 1998 00:20:36 -0800
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on fri, 6 nov 1998, paul zastrow wrote:

> can we at least call it "three hits"? :)

        *chuckle*
        you know, i'm surprised it took so long for someone to bring that
up . . . it had come to my mind before but i hadn't thought to post about
it . . .

        along those lines, has anyone else ever been watching baseball on
tv or listening to it on the radio and heard the announcer say, "three
strikes," and immediately have "three hits to the heart, son, and it's
poetry in motion" stuck in their head?  :)

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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"how i long to fall just a little bit, to dance out of the lines and stray
into the light; but i fear that to fall in love with you is to fall from a
great and gruesome height . . . "  -- dar williams, "iowa (traveling iii)"

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date:         sat, 7 nov 1998 11:29:17 -0500
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hey y'all,

here's my first one (which i was really excited about at the time it
happened):

1.  i know/have met/gotten ig tickets from the infamous jilly c

2.  jill's (step?)brother flew amy and emily in a lear jet from a concert
    in iowa (i think) to the taping of their appearance on ellen last
    year.

ok, so everyone knows jill from the list.  so here's one that doesn't
apply to everyone...:

1.  my last name is virago

2.  there is a local band named "the viragos"

3.  the viragos recently played a show with "the rock*a*teens"

4.  the rock*a*teens are on amy's label (daemon records) and she has cited
    any cd by them as her favorite(s)/a must listen

i almost went to this show...  but, that would be too crazy... :)

peace, melissa

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -amy ray

-my life is more than a vision -emily saliers

-i am a problem child/ i've been wild all my days/ all my anger and my
rage/ my senses said it would lead me astray/ i said go, go, go -a.r.

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date:         sat, 7 nov 1998 11:48:10 -0500
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or just dislecksic? (on the keyboard, that is...)
and of coarse, incapibal of speeling...

that was of course, supposed to be "six degrees or less..."

yikes!  didn't mean to freak anyone out!  and to think, i actually "proof"
my posts before i send them...  or so i thought...

peace, melissa

i really hope this doesn't get me a strike...  i was just trying to not
look like a sex-pot!...  ok, i give in...  i have a web page that has
some really nice indigo girls' pictures on it...  there.  there's some ig
content...  :)  (trying hard not to bug anyone, but doing normal bad job)

-got to learn to respect what we don't understand -amy ray

-my life is more than a vision -emily saliers

-i am a problem child/ i've been wild all my days/ all my anger and my
rage/ my senses said it would lead me astray/ i said go, go, go -a.r.

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date:         sat, 7 nov 1998 13:35:04 -0500
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        me too! me too!
        :)
        i think your post to the list was very reasonable, and very
eloquently stated. i think you have a really important point about the
people who post large volumes of nigc - and though i feel a bit guilty
saying this, since i'm new to the list and a lot of these people aren't, i
won't be so sorry yot see them go, either.
        take care -
        mandy

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emb's six degrees of ig

well . . .

1) i . . . met and hugged them both.

slightly more exciting . . .

1) i have a vice principal . . .
2) . . . who has met them both, multiple times (!)

slightly more interesting . . .

1) my singing teacher (who is a professional soprano) . . .
2) . . . lived with emily's sister while studying in italy.  (though she
couldn't remember her name right off the bat.  they were very close.)

~ elizabeth, still getting her digests in red . . .

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date:         sat, 7 nov 1998 13:59:24 -0500
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        i'm so sorry about posting this to trhe list. i meant to send this
only to joan. apologies for wasting bandwidth.
        before i sign off, though , could somebody explain to me the
origin of the term "wasting bandwidth"?
        mandy

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well, this is as lame as a post could ever hope to be.  this morning, i took
the sat i test (for the third time, thank you very much).  in section five, i
was getting very stressed because it was critical reading and i hate critical
reading.  but then, in the haze of sweat and tears, i realized the answer to
#14: a . . . and the answer to #15: e.  (please don't sue me, ets)  it
brightened my day and relaxed me.  a happy time for ig fans everywhere.

and frankly, i don't think i'm obsessed.  so what my walls are plastered with
life size pictures of amy ?  does that make me obsessed?!?  no!

seriously, though, when my guitar teacher asks me who wrote whatever song i
played for him just then, all i have to do is blush and he knows . . . oh,
does he know . ..  hee hee . . . =)

~ elizabeth

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died.  phillips' life serves as an example to us all, and it is only because
of the things he did that he remains a historical figure to this day."

maybe i should start researching that oral report due monday . . .

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date:         sat, 7 nov 1998 12:12:07 pst
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one of my best friends got flicked off by amy ray once :)

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well i haven't been on the list all that long, but through this list i
hooked up with a fellow ani lover and we trekked out to cleveland *she's
in va, i'm pa* for a show, stayed overnight, and came back...i loved it
*grins*

--audra


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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
- kristen hall "just so you know"

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does anybody have the set list/line up of who was singing/playing on each of
the songs for the minneapolis sst that they could send me?  i would greatly
appreciate it!

thanks,
kara.

also, i'm still looking for a post of the words to "soon be too
nothing"...somebody has to have saved this when it was posted before...i just
got to delete happy one day and deleted all my files....oops....

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well, i have not gone through any great lengths to get ig tickets, see ig,
etc. (i have only been to one concert, never met them) i live in the
boonies... anyhoo... i have taken to research virginia woolf, rasputin,
galileo, and any other name mentioined in any ig song. every time an ig song
comes on the radio i flip out even though i've heard that song thousands of
times, any time anyone says "indigo" i say "where? i love them!" i would
rather talk about the indigo girls than anything else in the world... i am
just obsessed. i basically live, eat, sleep, breathe indigo.
~alyssa

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i am so jealous of anyone who has had connections with anyone related to/ has
touched/ has been friends with/ parents of amy and emily. i am so jealous i am
about to find out where emily or amy's parents live and sleep on their
doorstep!!! oops, i guess tihs didn't have much to do with the list
guidelines/ rules did it? oh well. so strike me. lata.
~alyssa

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hi folks,

        this is a note that should have been written a few days ago.  it has been
made perfectly clear to me that while not everyone agrees with the new
policy, most of you were offended, insulted and generally pissed off by the
tone of my original post.  and you have every right to be.
        for some, this attempt to apologize for my condescending tone in that
post, will be too little, too late.  i apologize for that as well.  but i
wanted to make certain that i had my thoughts in order before i posted
again to the list.

        so, for the record, i do apologize for the tone, words, and implied
sentiments in last sunday's post.  they were said in the heat of the moment
and all of your feelings regarding the tone should have been addressed sooner.

        while totally agreeing that my tone was improper, i do still stand by the
content of the note and the three strike policy.  but if you'll take the
time to read on, i'm going to try to make the policy a bit more polite,
less intrusive, and hopefully a lot less threatening.

        first, i want to reiterate that the three strikes policy is not here to
ban all nigc from the list.  my intention is to prevent the week long
discussions of nigc topics by a small percentage of the list, which then
has disintegrated into public flaming when it was suggested that the topic
be taken off the list.
        in days past, when a topic that was clearly nigc but held the interest of
a few listees, those interested took the initiative to take their
discussion off line to private email or an irc channel.  there was maybe
two days worth of on list talk...and that was fine.  not too much volume,
it gave others a chance to see if they wanted to join in, and then it was
taken off list.
        that said, here's an attempt to allow interesting nigc conversations to
begin, but also to keep them from taking over the purpose of this list.


1)  the list community, as it always has, decides what is nigc and what is
not.  this does not necessarily mean that every topic is appropriate, but
it's up to all of you to decide what to post.  keeping in mind of course,
that nigc is *supposed* to have at least some relevence to the music of the
indigo girls.

2)  but in the interest of keeping the list ig focused, each nigc topic
will have an active on-list discussion time limit of 48 hours.  talk about
the topic, share your views...but also respect the wishes of your fellow
listees, and if you receive numerous requests to discontinue the onlist
discussion, then please do so...48 hours or not.

3)  at the end of the 48 hour period, i will send a note to the list asking
for those still interested in discussing the topic to either continue via
private email or take it to an irc channel.
        (for those are not familiar with irc (internet relay chat), it is
available to anyone with acces to the internet.  it is a real-time device
and there are free versions of the software available.  email me if you
would like more information.)

4)  after allowing a grace period (12 hours) for those nowhere near eastern
standard time, any other discussion of that nigc topic will result first in
a private warning, then, if necessary, a strike.

5)  you may accumulate three strikes within a one month period and i will
announce the beginning and end of each month.  if you earn three strikes,
you will be temporarily suspended for two weeks.

6)  and not that i think it will *ever* come to pass...but if you are
suspended from the list three times within the same year, you will be
deleted from the list for a minimum of three months.

        once again, this is not an attempt to eliminate nigc from this list, but
merely an attempt to control the volume and ensuant arguements.

        in closing, i must apologize again for the hasty way in which i tried to
get my point across.  it was never my intent to drive anybody from the
list...but in my annoyance and anger, i managed to alienate a group of
people whom i have been a part of for a few years now.

        i hope these new policies will ease some of the fears you have expressed
both publically and privately.

        thanks.

                jen

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date:         sun, 8 nov 1998 00:27:08 -0800
reply-to:     michal rogson <starr@netvision.net.il>
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i don't believe it!!!  i get home after the sabbath, and what do i find
on one of the two measly channels they've got here on israeli t.v.??
anyone wanna take a guess?

boys on the side!!!!!

of course, i called all my friends to tell em ig were going to be on...
but, of course, noone was home... ;)  their loss.

truth is, the movie has kind of a sad association for me.  the last
person i watched it with was a friend that i'm afraid i've hurt/offended
badly.  i'd apologize, but the problem is that i offended her by
impinging on the space she needed and not appreciating the friendship
that she *could* give.  by apologizing, if she doesn't want to hear from
me, i'd just impose on her space and silence again - which i want to try
and respect.  it's a catch-22, and i'm stuck....

but i'm not going to dwell on it while the girls are on t.v.!!
actually, i'm not going to dwell on it at all.  everything will work out
as it should, i'm sure. and anyhow, that shot where amy is leaning
against the windowsill is coming up (and to the girl who asked me where
this was in the movie, it's at the end, where robin is in a wheelchair
and jane's singing to her and the camera pans around the room).
gotta love that woma... i mean, scene. gotta love that scene!!  ;)
and i am still an emily person, make no mistake... ;)

oh - and for any who heard of the terrorist bombing in jerusalem, which
was in the market located ten minutes from my apartment, i was not
there, i am fine... i meant to go to the market, but not that early...
thankfully.  it's a miracle that so few people were hurt, and that the
only deaths were the suicide bombers themselves.... you have no idea how
busy that market is on fridays.   but to make that relatively igc, i can
certainly tell you that each time such a thing happens, it gives new
meaning and new life to amy's words...
and i will love.
and i will love
and i will be happy that i am alive."

life's too short not to use each day to the fullest, or to fill the days
with silliness, miscommunications, fear, and hatred.

peace and love
michal

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date:         sat, 7 nov 1998 20:21:18 -0500
reply-to:     sarah brady <sbrady1@email.unc.edu>
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the girls came to my college in april and i camped out for close to 18
hours to get tickets with a bunch of other crazy-ig-obsessed people. it
was so much fun, i didnt realize there were so many other fans here at
school...plus, we got 4th row seats, dead center. :)
so thats my little obsession story...
-sarah

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  a&e  "i will walk down the street. i will hold my head high. i will say
   #    hello to everyone i meet. i will have love in my heart.  when i
   #    have hate, i will turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger,
  _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
/ o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
'---'  a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will love.
and i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."  -amy ray

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date:         fri, 6 nov 1998 08:32:01 -0800
reply-to:     flyerqueen@daemonunderground.com
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hello daemon fans!  november's trivia game at daemon underground is
underway.  this month we are featuring thrive.  to play, go to
www.daemonunderground.com

flyer queen  =)

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date:         sat, 7 nov 1998 22:29:33 est
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1. got a ride home from a david wilcox gig a few years ago from dave and his
manager, tom simonson.
2. tom is a partner of ig's manager, russell carter.

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