lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-11c


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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 12:12:35 -0000
reply-to:     jennifer mcqueen <jenmcqueen@clara.co.uk>
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from:         jennifer mcqueen <jenmcqueen@clara.co.uk>
subject:      emily-guitar guru!
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hiya,

i went to see dar williams (don't worry, igc coming up!) in bristol last
month, & she was telling us how joan baez decided to take guitar lessons for
the first time at age 50...so she could play more like emily!

anyway, it was great to see dar back in england - i'm beginning to despair
of ever seeing igs here again (leeds has a lot to answer for!). it's been 4
*long* years since they last toured...maybe they'll come over with lilith
fair next year, tho' i'd prefer a headline tour (a&e are way too generous
about sharing their stage time at lf!)

thanks for letting me get that off my chest,
ttfn,
jen, uk

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 07:19:32 -0800
reply-to:     sunny <sunnyig@yahoo.com>
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from:         sunny <sunnyig@yahoo.com>
subject:      passion/obsession stuff
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this is another one of those obsession things i suppose - altho i
prefer to use the word passion - seems more positive to me...*grin*
(but we all know it means the same thing as far as ig is
concerned...*ahem*...shhhh...dont tell anyone...).

last night i was sitting at tcby (yum) w some friends - we were
telling stories about when we were in school and just about past
decisions we've made (blah blah) and some of the stuff i was talking
about - had sort of haunted me for awhile - but i found myself
*laughing* about it all last night...and i said (off the top of my
head) "ya gotta laugh at yourself..." - and then naturally a big smile
followed after that - and i said - "ya know who said that dont you?!"
(blank stares)  "emily saliers!"  (blank stares still)  "the indigo
girls...emily saliers!"  (im thinking 'duh!' they dont know who she
is?  haha) - and then i saw one friend do the 'throw hands in the air
while simultaneously rolling her eyes'thing - ha that makes me laugh.
it was a 'is that all you talk/think about' gesture...heehee.

thinking back on it this morning - i feel so *happy* that i've started
laughing about the *stuff* that has weighed me down for so damn long -
and it hasnt even been 5 years yet - phew - about 3...

with that said...happy sunday yall...if you made it this far - great -
thanks for reading....

take it easy -
sunny


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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 12:21:16 -0500
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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from:         deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: nigc  where is everybody????
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at 10:44 pm 11/14/98 , dawn m. kivisto wrote:
>sorry for the nigc, but is it just me, or is nobody posting hardly anything
>lately?  have that many listees jumped ship, or is it just that nobody wants
>to get a strike so they don't post anything at all?  i didn't check my mail
>for 2 days, and i come back to only like a dozen messages...used to be that
>i'd forget to check my mail for 2 days and come back to over 100
>messages...what's going on here?

i thought the whole point of having a moderator was to keep us from having
50 silly messages a day when there is no igc to discuss.  please, people...
read a book, subscribe to a more general discussion list (or 10)... have a
conversation with your partner... get together with real-life friends...
this cannot be your only source of enjoyment in life!  (incidentally, i
only saw one one-line post from dawn last week, so maybe instead of
complaining about people not posting, people could start a conversation...
and if you have nothing to say, then that may give you insight into why
everyone else is quiet too!)

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 12:15:38 -0500
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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from:         deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: ig and mp3s
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for those who haven't a clue what we're talking about, check out
<http://www.mp3.com> and <http://www.dailymp3.com>; the latter has the
better faq as i recall.  they are 2 of many sites you'll find at yahoo! if
you search for mp3.  it's an extremely compressed audio format (something
like 1/100th the size of a .wav file) which retains cd-quality. it gets the
sizes down to the point where it's not unfeasible to have many of them on
your web site, or e-mail them around, or keep a few entire cds on your hard
drive.  or if you have a cd burner you could burn a dozen of your favorite
cds onto one cd in mp3 format for play on any pc with an mp3 player installed.

i don't think it makes much sense to say "what do you think about mp3s..."
it's like asking what do you think about audio tapes.  it's a medium, just
depends on how you use it.  if you use the extreme compression and
cd-quality of mp3 to make a cd of all of the ig cds for all of your
friends, that's not cool.  if you use it as i do, to back up remastered
bootlegs, it's an entirely different issue (and one could make a case for
or against either, i'm sure). i'm just making use of the compression to
store on one cd what would take me 20 otherwise.  i'd suggest that if you
have to ask whether what you're thinking of doing is okay, you probably
already know the answer.

i use the wildly popular winamp mp3 player <http://www.winamp.com>.  for
encoding from wav to mp3, i use xingmp3 encoder
<http://www.xingtech.com/products/mp3encoder/>, it's superfast.  for
decoding the mp3s back to wavs, i use
<http://ehoffman.simplenet.com/hplsoft/mp3dec/mp3dec124.exe>; the loss in
the winamp conversion was completely unacceptable.  and xing also makes a
good cd ripper (to encode cda (cd audio) directly to mp3) at
<http://www.xingtech.com/products/audiocatalyst/trial.html>.  i hear a lot
about music match <http://www.musicmatch.com/>, which combines many of
those capabilities, but they don't have an nt version yet, and i wouldn't
be caught dead using win 95/98. :-)

and as long as we're discussing ethics... please do register winamp and the
other products if you find yourself using them regularly!

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 12:25:23 est
reply-to:     tcheehill@aol.com
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from:         chee hill <tcheehill@aol.com>
subject:      austin vs. atlanta
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hey, i'm chee.  i'm not new to the list, but i feel like a virgin again...so
many new names.

(1)  i heard about the show in atlanta and i was all prepared to go.  then, i
backed out.  i'm all gung ho about road trips and doing crazy things....and i
still haven't seen amy or emily play live, and here's the insane part:  my
home is atlanta!  but, i decided to stay here for thanksgiving in the
chickenman region of texas and do a road trip to san
antonio/fredricksburg/austin this coming week....i even took leave for this
trip.  anybody got some advice ... what to see in these places?

(2)  i've been stuck in the middle of the woods in a very remote area of
southeast texas since june (for work)...i'm screaming to get the heck out of
here.  because although what amy professes during chickenman might be true and
sounds really cool....but try living with some of these people, people who
call themselves either the "dog people" or the "chicken people" and have fauns
as pets and purposely run over armadillos...it's funny and sad.  i need some
diversity, man.  and the gunshots i hear at all times of the day make me
shiver...see, it's hunting season in texas and there's some major death
lately.  i applied for a job at yellowstone and the everglades needless to say
to why.

(3)  jill, what's up?

-chee

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 09:49:35 -0800
reply-to:     pretty silver grrrl <saliers__ray@yahoo.com>
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from:         pretty silver grrrl <saliers__ray@yahoo.com>
subject:      tori talks about amy and emily!!!!
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omg ya'll!! i'm soooo freaking out. i'm sitting here listening to my
tape of tori amos, the seattle end sessions for the first time! she
finishes sister janet, and right before she does leather she says:

thanks guys. this next song i wrote in like, um, not a lot of time
because this girl was so horrible, and she lived above me, and we
lived in these tiny little places in east hollywood. and so she said
something to me, she was listening to my music one day and she said,
um, i was just beginning to write little earthquakes and i hadn't
written this one yet and she said [tori uses a snooty kind of voice]
"you know you should really do something like the indigo girls."
[crowd laughs] and i was going, "well, why do you think i should do
that then?"
and she goes, "because you know, it's like, really musical and stuff
and you know i think, i can understand what they're saying." and i'm
like, "but you're an idiot!"
and the thing is i like amy and emily they're very nice, but this girl
she's like..she's..she's..she's smigma[?]...

so now i'm all happy cuz tori talked about amy and emily!!! :)

*hugs*

lamia

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 13:16:13 est
reply-to:     lythande99@aol.com
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from:         "timothy j. baldwin" <lythande99@aol.com>
subject:      re: nigc  where is everybody????
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in a message dated 98-11-15 12:25:07 est, indigo@mindspring.com writes:

<< i thought the whole point of having a moderator was to keep us from having
50 silly messages a day when there is no igc to discuss.  please, people...
read a book, subscribe to a more general discussion list (or 10)... have a
conversation with your partner... get together with real-life friends...
this cannot be your only source of enjoyment in life!  (incidentally, i
only saw one one-line post from dawn last week, so maybe instead of
complaining about people not posting, people could start a conversation...
and if you have nothing to say, then that may give you insight into why
everyone else is quiet too!) >>

or maybe people got tired of reading condescending posts like this one and
split for greener pastures.....whatever.....the damage is done.....

you can't please everybody....

tim

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 14:42:10 est
reply-to:     crz4indigo@aol.com
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from:         alyssa roberge <crz4indigo@aol.com>
subject:      re: indigo-girls digest - 10 nov 1998 to 11 nov 1998 - special
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what's this card thing? either i live totally in a hole or just forgot that
card post thing. somebody fill me in.... please?

the ever-clueless one,
~alyssa

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 15:41:57 -0500
reply-to:     burton emanuelle neuman <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
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from:         burton emanuelle neuman <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
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        howdy all -
        my roommate heard amy perform a new song this summer (i think it
was at the bethlehem musikfest, but it may have been the va beach lilith
fair) and it's driving her nuts because she can't remember anything bout
it except one lyric (and she sayds she may have this wrong): "hey little
dolly". we have copies of gone again, chiapas bound, go, sister, and boys
just laugh, as well as a cut of faye tucker, and none of it sounds like
the same song to her. is she nuts? am i nuts? does anybody else recognize
this lyric? i don't know of any other new amy songs on the circuit, so
i'm stumped. any ideas?
        thanks -
        mandy

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 15:00:55 -0800
reply-to:     lori ann <liltree@yahoo.com>
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from:         lori ann <liltree@yahoo.com>
subject:      name that ig tune (nigc)
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hey folks!

bout a month ago i announced i was running a name that ig tune
contest.  well, it's over now and we have a winner.  congratulations
to fellow listee heather farningham!  for demonstrating her indigo
knowledge, heather received a $10 daemon gift certificate.  great job
heather :)

i do have ideas for another contest (maybe after the semester is over)
since it seems like a lot of people have joined this list just
recently.  will let yall know if i do that.

and hey guys, you can buy gift certificates from daemon now.  makes my
xmas shopping easy :)

lori ann

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 14:59:39 +0000
reply-to:     smackenz@scrippscol.edu
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from:         sam mackenzie <smackenz@scrippscol.edu>
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okay, since i've been totally addicted to jcs for the past few days, i have a
small question that maybe someone can answer. why is it on disk 2 that the
crucifixion is set in atlanta? just askin'.
-sam (also addicted to patti smith and soy milk)

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 19:29:07 -0500
reply-to:     j k <jamik@juno.com>
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from:         j k <jamik@juno.com>
subject:      february show
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can someone forward me info about the atlanta show in february?
i believe it's on valentine's weekend.  saturday maybe?
is it an indigo show?  obviously i'm clueless.

thanks!   jami

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date:         mon, 16 nov 1998 08:26:00 +0800
reply-to:     ian carandang <bluefur@pacific.net.ph>
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from:         ian carandang <bluefur@pacific.net.ph>
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okay people, after 2 years of strictly being a rhythm guitarist and 1 year
of bouncing from one unsatisfactory lead guitarist to another in my band, i
have decided to take the plunge and try my hand at playing leads myself. :)

now, i am nothing if not ambitious, so the first piece i have decided to
tackle is the first one i learned as a rhythm player: joking. i know it's
pretty complicated, but this is one of my all time favorites. so, can anyone
help me out here? any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

thanks in advance,
sincerely,
ian c.
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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 20:01:19 -0500
reply-to:     jeri humphries <jah13@arches.uga.edu>
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from:         jeri humphries <jah13@arches.uga.edu>
subject:      re: nigc - heart
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hey tara,
i have that heart cd and it is great. that is probably the best verson of
their songs that i like, because ann's voice is so well recorded
    jeri

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 20:07:11 -0500
reply-to:     joy davis <nomadsindians@webtv.net>
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hi all,

i have a set of "8" front row concert photos that i took, from the rop
tour.

they're 4x6 color glossies. 4 of amy, 3 of emily, and 1 of them both.

please e-mail me privately for info- if your interested.

                           ~ janene

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 18:15:01 -0800
reply-to:     monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
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from:         monique barbanson <monique@entelechy.com>
organization: entelechy software inc.
subject:      re: posters wanted....
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hey, i bet some folks missed out on my earlier post so here it is again. i've
only had a few entries so far so i can tell y'all are being shy. don't be shy,
send me your entries :)

here's the info:

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get your creative juices flowing! here's the deal: the other night my
friend suzanne points out to me while we're passing by compact disc land
downtown palo alto that there's a sign on their rop poster saying "free
posters, ask us how". of course she knows i'm batty about ig and spend
way too much time on the list as well as dubbing tapes, remastering
boots etc...she just shrugs it off, 'cause you have to be indulgent with
your friends. my gf on the other hand is starting to meter my time on
email. anyways, we go in and ask what do we have to do to get said free
posters. they tell us "just come back tomorrow, one free poster will be
given to each person."

we walk away, suzanne starts plotting a mass calling campaign to get all
of our friends to come by the next day for an ig poster. after all she
knows that i have all these pals on the ig list who would love a poster.
next day, she's called everyone we can think of, and 10 mins before the
opening we're waiting outside the store. suffice it to say that i have
some extra posters: 3 rop, 3 sos. sometimes, it's great to have friends
who are compulsive overachievers.

ok, now i have to come up with a reasonable way to give them away. here
it is:
i'm going to have a contest: write up the most funny, interesting,
whatever story or experience or ... that's ig related. multiple entries
are allowed and feel free to be completely uncensored in your writing.
there's no other rules. please send these entries to me by private email
and i'll put them up on my site anonymously for them to be voted on.
deadline for entries: 11/31/98. the anonymous entries will then be
judged by listees (one vote per person please). judging will end on
12/15/98. if there are folks who receive the same # of votes, i'll cast
the deciding vote, otherwise i'll stay out of the vote. top six
contestants will receive a poster and recognition for their feat on the
iglist, in time for xmas or whatever you like to call your winter
celebration.

let the fun begin,

monique


mary mack wrote:

> i am looking for a poster of amy and emily or maybe just amy to hang in my
> room...but i have no idea where or how to get one....does anyone know or
> does anyone have a nice big ol poster of them they would be willing to
> sell me?
>
> thanks
>
> mary
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date:         mon, 16 nov 1998 00:04:42 -0600
reply-to:     joan morrison <morrison_joan@webtv.net>
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everyone hasn't left!  i've looked at the "review list" thing twice this
week, ever since i noticed the message volume slacking off.   last
weekend, there were 667 people subscribed (including concealed names),
and just now i checked it and there are 680 people subbed, altogether.
that's maybe 100 or so fewer people than when i checked it about 6
months ago.

why the decrease in posts?  who knows?  we know it's not because
everyone has left (a check of "review list" will tell us that),  could
be that the most frequent posters left.  could also be that there is not
much ig activity right now, and thus, less stuff to write about.  as for
the decrease in people subbed, i'm sure some people were exasperated
about the message content and bickering and left the list a long time
ago.  and of course, some people left after the new posting rules went
into effect.

i personally would rather see a lower message volume when ig activity is
low, than filler material to make up for the lack of ig-related
discussion.  but that's just me. :)  i've enjoyed some of the threads
lately, especially the "six degrees" and "soon to be nothing" threads.

i think we as a list will survive this little speedbump. :)  i agree
with deb - use this "down" time to spend more time with your family and
friends, or on hobbies, watching sports, or being outdoors, etc.  that
can be a good thing!

peace,

joan :-d

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date:         sun, 15 nov 1998 22:24:20 -0800
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hey all,
there's a small review of wendy bucklew's asleep in the swing in november's
lesbian news.  the reviewer says the album "echoes the sentiments of indigo
girls, early melissa etheridge, ani difranco...."  if you haven't heard
wendy bucklew yet, you should go check her out.
peace,
java

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hi all! i want to build a home-page. don't know how to do that, but i
will put links in it . just tell me if you know how to do it, and if you
want me to put your link in my page.......


thanks, peace,
angie

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indies,
i recently purchased strange fire, and i've been listening to it a lot in
the past few days. i realized just how ingrained this music is in my
psyche- i haven't heard it for a long time, but it was some of the first
ig music i heard, when my brother played his tape when i was but a
youngin'. i thought i didn't remember the songs, but the during the first
spin in my cd player i was singing along, remembering harmonies and lyrics
i didn't even know were in my head.

i actually can't recall what the first ig i heard was... ctf was
sung around camp fires and at sing-alongs i attended since before i can
remember, & there have always been albums around my house. (i just bought
them all on cds to replace my worn-out copies) is there anyone else out
there who can't remember the girls not being a part of their musical
world?

so, i've been listening to sf & just loving it. such beautiful &
insightful songwriting. i dig every single track - then again,
there aren't any ig songs i really don't like. maybe some i skip
every once in a while, but not a one i can't find a lot of merit in. i
simply don't have a "bottom 5 list," something i do have with most other
artists, including my beloved ani.

and emily & i have something in common:
"left me a fool" was written about this chick i had this *erhm* thing with
last year. as a matter of fact, ani wrote 2 songs- "dilate" & "untouchable
face"- about this same chick. it's amazing that both emily & ani were with
this girl...no, wait...that doesn't surprise me. i don't think there's
anyone she hasn't been with. lesse, lmaf was written around 1985...wow,
a player even at age 6! ;)

as for my degrees of separation... i think my favorite is this one:

1. i performed on the stage at a folk festival where dar williams
performed later on in the day.

2. dar performed on the stage at a folk festival where the ig performed
later on in the day. :)

or this one:

1. dar has played my guitar, taught me chords, & sung with me.

2. dar has sung with the girls & probably, at some point, played one of
their guitars. she most likely hasn't taught them any chords, though. :p

pay no attention to the fact that i'm nowhere near the level of
amazingness achieved by the aforementioned artistas... it's still cool!
hmmm... i wonder if i have any that don't have to do with dar? i'd hafta
think on that one.

indigo peace to y'all,
arjuna
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in love with you, and it is no fun.' but i don't use words like 'love' cuz
words like that don't matter, but don't look so offended, you know- you
should be flattered." -ani
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<< is there anyone else out
there who can't remember the girls not being a part of their musical
world? >>
ok i can b/c my sister used to drive me to school as a kid blasting the
girls...and my brother and i used to sing the "bible song" (closer to fine)
all the time!

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. . . the slightest thing can trigger a song line in your head.

such as the following:

on sun, 15 nov 1998, sam mackenzie wrote:

> -sam (also addicted to patti smith and soy milk)
        which immediately got "she's addicted to nicotine patches, she's
afraid of a light in the dark" from "spark" by tori amos stuck in my head.

on a more amusing and ig-related note . . .
someone at work said something about the main office being "two floors
up" and i almost had a crisis because i got "i sit two stories above the
street" and "leaning over ledges only two flights up" *both* triggering
in my head at the same time!


        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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"how i long to fall just a little bit, to dance out of the lines and stray
into the light; but i fear that to fall in love with you is to fall from a
great and gruesome height . . . "  -- dar williams, "iowa (traveling iii)"

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a while ago someone requested the chords for the new mongrels' "learning to
dance" .  here they are:

learning to dance (haynes brooke)
as recorded by the new mongrels

chords:
f, c, g (standard fingerings)
as always, happy little hammer-ons add spice
for rhythms see recording, etc....

c                                       f        c
last summer was hotter and harder than any i've known
                                              g
my partner the bottle and i spent our nights dancing alone
c                          f             c
then i met you and i knew you were the answer because
               g                  c
you wanted to know what kind of dancer i was

f   g        c
learning to dance with you
f   g         c            f           c             g
learning the ways of your days and the part of your heart
           c             g
that still plays a love song
f   g      c
taking a chance with you
f    g        c         f       c            g
praying that you will remember this dancers hands
         c              g
when the bands come and gone
                  c
and not just the song

c                                  f       c
summer is autumn is winter like a runaway train

watching your eyes watch the rain
                g
to see what the spring will bring
c                                             f               c
i'll love you and hold you as tight, just as tight as you'll let me
c                               g                 c
i'll remember this dance all my life, even if you forget me


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at 01:16 pm 11/15/98 , timothy j. baldwin wrote:
>you can't please everybody....

exactly... that's why i fail to see why there is such a fuss over 1 list
splitting into 2 (or 3 or 6) lists of lesser volume since everyone can sub
to as many of those as they care to to get the same content.  i have the
ig-news list for announcements of important stuff.  i subscribe to this
list for ig discussions and brief spin-off nigc discussions, but i filter
it into a folder and read as i find time.  if someone wants to be on what
i've come to think of as the soc list :-) , great.  by splitting up,
everyone can have as much or as little of each type of list as they want,
while those who want only part can have that too.  that's as close to
pleasing everybody as i think you'll ever get.

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>date: mon, 19 oct 1998 11:50:15 -0700
>to: siblings@smoe.org
>from: sylvia hackathorn <sylviah@acbc.com>
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>hi everyone,
>  i thought i'd post the interview i did with jane when she was in portland
>for her first house concert/workshop. i found her very generous and open.
>i'll treasure the time i got to sit opposite her and listen to her ideas.
>enjoy!
>sylvia
>
>
>
>interview with jane siberry - portland, or
>9/5/98

>sh: you got on a couple of stops for the suffragettte tour ..?
>
>js: people seem to think it's like lilith fair, but it's not. you were on
>the tour for the whole tour. it was a working band. we all backed each
>other up on all of the songs. so, we were on stage the whole time. and that
>was a two-week tour with ten women and it ended in new york, and it was a
>good hard working tour.
>to learn all of the different songs, everyone was working very quickly.
>and, i ended up, in rehearsal, standing near the keyboard stand, so i ended
>up being the keyboard player for the band. over the two weeks i feel i
>actually got better as a keyboard player. it's something that i never get a
>chance to do because i'm usually the front person. so to be a side person
>was something i'd always wanted to do and i'd like to do that more.
>
>sh: did you alternate doing a couple of songs from each person's repertoire
>and everybody learned those songs and the songs stayed consistent or were
>you constantly learning new material?
>
>js: no everyone had a new song to learn during sound check, so we'd learn
>them in sound check and do them that night and that's a sign that these are
>good musicians. i mean, they are very fast. and, i guess we had three songs
>each that we learned in rehearsal but then we ended up rotating about six
>songs each. amy and emily are always picking up people on the road and
>having them come up as special guests, so it ended up being the tour of
>special guests within special guests, and it was a wild show.
>
>sh: constantly changing.
>
>js: yeah.
>
>sh: it must have been fairly exhilarating in that to some extent it was
>'seat of your pants'. i mean the stuff couldn't have been real well
>-rehearsed, of course, so ....
>
>js: no. and i've always liked that. long ago, my favorite thing about folk
>festivals were the work shops because you never knew what would happen and
>there was a chance for things to change in a startling way. and then my
>desire to work more that way led me to karoke bars where i would pick songs
>that i didn't know. but i finally got thrown out of a bar in new zealand.
>they didn't like me improvising at all - not over their favorite songs.
>they were upset. but then after that i got invited to peter gabriel's real
>world collaboration week, which was all improvised, or for the most part.
>and then eventually i did 'maria', which was a three day improvised record,
>with a lot of structure, of course, under it. i don't think you can
>improvise without a solid structure, and by that i don't mean knowing what
>the chords are going to be. i mean years as a musician -
>that kind of structure and experience.
>so, this tour had a lot of improvising and i guess i was a bit of a
>ringleader that way, because we all would host our own night. you'd write
>the set-list and host your night. so, on my nights i would...... what did i
>do?.....oh....we had one song where people would sing a signature vocal
>hook, you know like something that i thought people in the audience would
>remember when they walked away for the evening. each singer had one, and
>then i'd get the audience to sing it, and then we'd do it over a groove and
>make a song out of it. and that kind of thing, which was a crap shoot, but
>really fun. and people really liked it.

[...]

>
>sylvia hackathorn
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in a message dated 98-11-16 00:09:17 est, you write:

<< date:    sun, 15 nov 1998 19:29:07 -0500
from:    j k <jamik@juno.com>
subject: february show

can someone forward me info about the atlanta show in february?
i believe it's on valentine's weekend.  saturday maybe?
is it an indigo show?  obviously i'm clueless.

thanks!   jami >>

there's a show in atlanta in february?  i'm supposed to go to atlanta in
february to see emory (of course)!  i've totally missed every bit of info
about this show . . . i know me too posts aren't allowed, but if someone could
share the wealth with "me too," that would be cool.  (i was going to change my
plans, but if it coincides with something exciting . . .)

thanks!

~ elizabeth

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*pause*  why can't they train those check out ladies!  look at this!  the eggs
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everyone's groceries myself!"  -- my mother.

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hey all,

this is my first message to the list (hooray!) and i just had a few
questions:
   does anyone have the lyrics to the sufragette song (go) and "boys just
laugh"?
   i want to get a copy of blue food. i don't have much to trade, just
the recent 9:30 club boot, which is great. email me if you can help.
   is the single (either least complicated or power of two, i can't
remember which) still available which has the recording of "keep on rockin
in the free world" with k's choice? how can i get it?

thanks y'all,
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i just wanted to say hi to everyone....i am new to the list and i just wanted
to get my first post out there. hope to be putting some more out soon :)
so what are the best sites on the web for fans of the girls? i would like to
start building my collection of "rare" or hard to find recordings from amy and
emily, so if anyone has any or can tell me where i can find them some info
would be greatly appreciated :)  thanx everyone. take care.
peace, love, and indigo,
jess (\0/)

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hello everyone.  i'm net to the list and wanted to get my first post out
there.  i'm a fiddle player...some mandolin...and i'm teaching myself guitar
now.  can anyone tell me the best source for tabs to indigo girls songs?
thanks,
gayla s. byrd

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        well.. i don't know if this is obsession worthy but, it just about made my
day! so, anyway.. i was driving to school today and i saw a car with the
licensee plate "123 loc." alright well.. i just thought that was the coolest
thing in the world and i wanted to share. goodnight! take care!

-=-katy-=-

"when you learn to love yourself you will dissolve all the stones that are
cast."
-=amy ray=-
"in the end... only kindness matters."
-=jewel kiltcher=-

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this past weekend i took home back on the bus y'all.  i had listened to
it maybe once all the way through, and wasn't very impressed.  but it is
the girls after all, so i decided to wind my stereo around with their
live concert voices.

on my way back to my home away from home,  i listened to pod about five
or six times trying to let emily's words settle into my brain enough to
analyze what she is meant, and what her words mean to me.

fight.  that's what came to me.  just fight, fight, fight.  fight
against giving in to whatever is bothering you, whether it be
discouragement, not having a will to survive, an unkind boss, a sense of
being too comfortable, addiction to nicotine, etc.

the repeating refrain "someone's on the telephone desperate in his pain,
someone's on the bathroom floor doing her cocaine" just gets to me.  the
second verse is so vivid in its imagery.  i can actually feel the
anxiety, fear, and pain that emily writes/sings about..."my heart beat
like the wings of wild birds in a cage, my greatest hope my greatest
cause to grieve, and my heart flew from its cage and it bled upon my
sleeve, the cries of passion were like woulds that needed healing, i
couldn't hear them for the thunder..."

it is funny how a song about the prince of darkness can give me hope.

diane

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i'm getting better (only one day late this week! ha!)

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{{{{{{{{{{h a p p y b i r t h d a y h a p p y b i r t h d a y}}}}}}}}}}}}

november 16 ('74)
a-vogt@students.uiuc.edu (amy doreen vogt)
happy 23rd, amy!

november 17 ('75)
c641368@mizzou1.missouri.edu (angela)

november 18 ('73)
asl@gandalf.ucms.maine.edu (michael reynolds)

november 18 (80)
gsbleeker@mail.utexas.edu (geoff)

november 19
maclayton@mhc.mtholyoke.edu (margaret clayton)

november 20 ('75)
salray@webtv.net (tracy fears "sal-ray")

november 20 ('75)
bonj1_95@worc.ac.uk (john)
"where's the kaboom? there was supposed to be an earth - shattering
kaboom!!!" -
marvin the martian

november 21
macleods@spectranet.ca (lori macleod)
"i'd like to wish tami a happy 30th birthday"
- from the geneva show (11/3/97)

november 22
reb22@hermes.cam.ac.uk (rachael e. bradley)

november 22
luna-tick@home.com (luna mook tick)


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"you cover my eyes with your deepness * you wrap my soul in the beauty
of it all * you take me away from my incompleteness * lead me all the
way or not at all..." - amy ray "clues to you"

                                *****

"just so you know, there's a space that only you can fill
just so you know, i loved you then, i guess i always will."
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date:         tue, 17 nov 1998 09:29:41 -0500
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once again...

caroline aiken sent a message out to her mailing list that said she was
doing a series of shows over valentine's weekend, feb 11-14 at eddie's
attic in atlanta as a benefit to a local guy who i think needs a heart
transplant (?- can't remember the details), anyway, she said the indigo
girls, michelle malone, and shawn mullins would all be playing.  that's
all we know at this point - there's no specific schedule yet.

-tara
http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/frontrow/8595

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date:         tue, 17 nov 1998 11:45:49 -0500
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        actually, tara, i called eddie's attic for info yesterday (monday)
and they told me that the showcase has been moved up to the weekend
before. they still could give me no concrete information on ticket price,
lineup, etc., but the plan is to have two shows each on friday at saturday
(all-ages at 7pm and over 21 at 9:30) and then another one on sunday.
        mandy

on tue, 17 nov 1998, lane, tara e. wrote:

> once again...
>
> caroline aiken sent a message out to her mailing list that said she was
> doing a series of shows over valentine's weekend, feb 11-14 at eddie's
> attic in atlanta as a benefit to a local guy who i think needs a heart
> transplant (?- can't remember the details), anyway, she said the indigo
> girls, michelle malone, and shawn mullins would all be playing.  that's
> all we know at this point - there's no specific schedule yet.
>
> -tara
> http://www.geocities.com/sunsetstrip/frontrow/8595
>
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this time it's two songs... one's a bob dylan one, the 2nd is by jim croche:
1. ballad in plain d (emily performs this song on a cd i have called "a
tribute to bob dylan, vol. 3"  anyways, its a nice song.. so rare b/c emily
strums the whole thing!)

2. alabama rain (now, i have the chords, just looking for the tabs)

thanks!
good day,
trooper

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hi, and sorry to bother everyone with this, but i'm looking for
information about how to get on to that other indigo list -  the url for
where to subscribe would be fine.  if anyone can pass this information
along to me, i'd appreciate it.
thanks,
elaine

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the "stop the hate" petition

*on october 6, outside laramie, wyoming, matthew shepard, a 21-year-old
university of wyoming student, was tortured, beaten,and left tied to a pole in
the freezing cold. six days later, he died of his wounds in poudre valley
hospital, fort collins, colorado. matthew was murdered because he was gay and
because he was a prominent and charismatic member of the gay and lesbian
student group on campus.

  right now wyoming and colorado have no anti-hate crime laws; the state
legislature in wyoming has voted down anti-bias bills for each of the past
three years. there is an effort in wyoming and colorado to enact matthew
shepard laws, which would strongly punish the perpetrators of hate crimes.
this petition demands the broadening of federal anti-hate crime law.

opening statement:

"as a religious voice, we state strongly that violence on the basis of sexual
orientation, race or gender is wrong, is evil, is reprehensible."
-john buehren, president of the unitarian universalist association, speaks
for unitarian universalists but his words are reflected in the hearts of
people everywhere who believe we must speak out, take action against, and
condemn hate crimes in all their ugly forms.

a resolution follows:

whereas: we affirm and promote the inherent worth and dignity of every
person; and

whereas: we commend the efforts of those individuals who dedicate their lives
to causes of social justice and human rights; and

whereas: we support actions that protect the individual's rights of life,
liberty and pursuit of happiness.

  therefore be it resolved, that we hereby urge the passage of the hate
crimes prevention act (hcpa), h.r.3081 and s.1529

  the hate crimes prevention act (hcpa), h.r.3081 and s.1529, would amend
current federal law (which permits federal prosecution of a hate crime only if
the crime was motivated by bias based on religion, national origin, or color)
to include real or perceived sexual orientation, gender, and disability so the
fbi would be able to investigate and prosecute violent hate crimes against
gays, lesbians, and bisexuals.  under this bill, hate crimes that cause death
or bodily injury because of prejudice can be investigated federally,
regardless of whether the victim was exercising a federally protected right.

the only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of support for
this change to the current law is by making our voices heard.

please add your name to this petition and forward it to friends who believe in
what it stands for. the petition will then be forwarded to the president of
the united states; the vice president of the united states; and our united
states senators and house members.

petition management:

1. this petition is being passed around the internet. please add your name to
it so that we can have tougher laws against all hate crimes.

please keep the petition rolling. do not reply to me. please sign and forward
to others to sign. this is being forwarded to several people at once to add
their names. it will not matter if many people receive the same list as the
names are being managed.

2. if you print out this petition for signing please email the listing of
names with locations to the email address:  allrunique@aol.com (an email
address created to receive this petition) include a note to indicate you have
a hand-signed petition and include the number of names listed.

3. if you happen to be the 100th, 150th, 200th, 250th, etc. signer of this
petition, please forward a copy to the email address: allrunique@aol.com

4. if you sign, please pass it on to others. if not, please do not kill it:
send it on to the email address:  allrunique@aol.com

thank you

leslie palmer
i can not stay silent, my outrage and compassion will not allow.
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note: it is preferable that you select the entirety of this letter and then
copy it into a new outgoing message, add your name to the bottom of the list,
then send it on. or if option is available, do a sendagain

sign here:
1) leslie palmer, jacksonville, fl
2) stephen silverman, south burlington, vt
3) wayne arnason
4) theo diamond, charlottesville, va
5) sasha kopf, northampton, ma / princeton, nj
6) geoffrey b. metz, tufts univ., medford, ma
7) emily sporl, tufts university, medford, ma
8.) tai collins, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
9.) danielle lazarin, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
10.) priscilla morales, yale university, new haven, ct
11.) lydia pace, yale university, new haven, ct
12.) julia goren, williams college, williamstown, ma
13.) jamie waxman, columbia university
14.) rebecca zimmerman, columbia university, ny
15.) ariel meyerstein, columbia university, ny
16.) naomi richman, goucher college, md
17.) aaron finkel, university of missouri-columbia, mo
18.) sally noedel, truman state university, kirksville, mo
19.) kim cook, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
20.) molly mitchell, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
21.) jeremy schwab, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
22.) aaron manheim, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
23.) gillian rose, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
24.) melinda milner, university of california-santa cruz
25.) erica brutocao-kemp, university of california, santa cruz
26.) peyton floyd, university of california, santa cruz
27.) jennifer hammond, university of california, santa cruz
28.) samara abrams-primack, princeton university, princeton, nj
29.) amanda brandes, princeton university, princeton, nj
30.)sarah-jane ripa, wesleyan university, middletown, ct
31)  tamar lafontaine, wesleyan university, middletown, ct
32.) samantha sarakanti, new york university, new york, ny
33.) richard bertone, new york university, new york, ny
34.) kirstin betts, university of illinois, champaign, il>
35.) beth wilkinson, university of illinois, champaign, il
36.) tina menken, university of illinois, champaign, il
37.) samantha lockhart, lawrence university, appleton, wi
38.) danica dralus, lawrence university, appleton, wi
39.) darlene dralus, murfreesboro, tn
40.) melanie campbell, franklin, tn
41.) mary tettlebach, murfreesboro, tn
42.) aly shelby, murfreesboro, tn
43.) heidi eland, murfreesboro, tn
44.) michelle nordin, murfreesboro, tn
45.) nancy shanley, nashville, tn
46.) doyle kermicle, lascassas, tn
47.) meredith kermicle, lascassas, tn
48.) jessica vitale-prietos, new york city, ny
49.) eubie klein, santa fe, nm
50.) darien erica goldman, san antonio, tx
51.) ian mclain wilson, altadena, ca
52.) alexandra carter, glendale, ca
53.) shelby peak, shadow hills, ca
54.) laura whitlock, dallas, tx

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diane wong wrote:

> it is funny how a song about the prince of darkness can give me hope.
>

  - i know exactly what you mean, i love that song! in fact, it's the
song that hooked me in the first place, ...  but the girls seem to have
stopped doing it live a few years ago. anyone know why?
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offer's still open, 'specially for creative ones!  probably i'll keep it
open until thursday or so, since a good part of the list seems to have
vanished...

chris ii


>hey, y'all!
>
>i'm feeling particularly generous today, and mighty curious about a little
>query that my friend's partner brought up the other day.  so, here's the
>offer:  a free bootleg for 1) the person with the most historically
accurate
>response, and 2) the person with the most *creative* response (that's two
>free bootlegs) to the following question:
>
>during world war ii, why did kamakazi pilots wear helmuts?
>
>so, send your answers *privately* to me.  do not waste bandwidth!  do not
>get yourselves struck!  i'll compile the answers and post them a bit later.
>
>also, this might sound kinda dumb, but please indicate for which
possibility
>you are aiming--historically accurate or creative.  history can be wierd
>sometimes.  i'm a grad student in it--i know...
>
>so, i'll be accepting responses until monday at midnight, then have my
>pallies help me decide the ones i like, and make offers.  then i'll compile
>the cool answers and post them to the list.
>
>let the trivia frolic begin!
>

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hey all
just curious if anyone has the minneappolis ss setlist or really any ss
setlist with the info on who sings where with whom etc.
anal as always
lori


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in a message dated 11/17/98 4:31:27 am eastern standard time, arle@hotmail.com
writes:

<< it is funny how a song about the prince of darkness can give me hope. >>


i've been playing this song now on a daily basis for the last two weeks.  over
the past 9 years of listening to amy and emily's music, i continue to come
back to this song and strange fire for hope when i need something to believe
in - that life and all the struggles associated with it make it most
definitely worth living.  the girls' music has inspired me to explore my
spirituality and cast off the negative images of organized religion i had as a
child.  i never would have believed the joy i feel when i embrace my loving,
forgiving higher power that i believe in as an adult.  in fact i recently made
a tape i labeled "hope" that contains earlier material like strange fire,
prince of darkness, closer to fine, secure yourself and watershed.  i play it
in my car whenever i need a boost.
"by grace my sight grows stronger"
emily saliers

take care,
leslie

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on tue, 17 nov 1998, diane wong wrote:

> being too comfortable, addiction to nicotine, etc.

        aaaaaaaaaaaaack, that's triggering tori lyrics in my head again!
it's kind of creepy.  there goes that "she's addicted to nicotine
patches" line again!

> it is funny how a song about the prince of darkness can give me hope.

        definitely . . . this song has been really inspiring to me as
well, despite the "no one can convince me we're not gluttons for our
doom" line.  but then, on the other hand, that's what i think is so
inspiring--that despite all this, one can find the strength to say, "i
will not be a pawn for the prince of darkness any longer."

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
__sgb29641@csun.edu____________________http://members.xoom.com/cornflakegrl__
"how i long to fall just a little bit, to dance out of the lines and stray
into the light; but i fear that to fall in love with you is to fall from a
great and gruesome height . . . "  -- dar williams, "iowa (traveling iii)"

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date:         wed, 18 nov 1998 02:32:15 est
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hello, all!
       okay, so i have this order of bumper stickers in front of me and the
following have yet to be claimed... a lot of people have forgotten to send
the
money for their orders!  i have some duplicates, but not many... i'm not
going to capitalise well, but the messages are still the same. =)  they're
sitting in front of me, so e-mail me with what you'd like and i'll write back
to tell you if it's available or not.
i'll put your stuff on "hold" and wait until i receive your money.  when i do
i can have your order out the same day!  thanks a lot!  here's the list!
remember, first come, first serve! =)

regular bumper stickers:
and what difference do you make?
assume nothing
better to build schoolrooms for the boys than prisons and gallows for the men
courtesy is contageous
choice
creative people must be stopped
comfort the disturbed, disturb the comfortable
come out, come out, wherever you are
celebrate diversity
don't postpone joy
doing my part to piss off the religious right
dare to think for yourself
everyone does better when everyone does better
feminism is the radical notion that women are people
fight aids not people with aids
fascism: the conservative notion that killing people makes them work harder
god was my copilot but we crashed in the mountains and i had to eat him
god bless the freaks
god is coming and is she pissed
god protect me from your followers
homophobia is a social disease
it will be a great day when the schools get all the money they need and the
air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber
i'm pro-choice and i vote
impeach starr
if you're agoraphobic you'd be home by now
i'm diagonally parked in a parallel universe
if you're born again do you have 2 belly buttons?
i haven't been the same since that house fell on my sister
i can't go to work today the voices say "stay home and clean the guns"
isis isis ra ra ra
invest in america buy a congressman
i don't need therapy; i need money
i believe in life before death
i'm straight but not narrow
if guns are outlawed only outlaws will shoot their kids accidentally
lead, follow, or get out of the way
last time we mixed politics with religion... people got burned at the stake
my goddess gave birth to your god
plants ans animals disappear to make room for your fat ass
question reality
queen without a country
religion is what keeps the poor from killing the rich
speak your mind, even if your voice shakes
support your local revolution
sorry i missed church, i've been busy practicing witchcraft and becoming a
lesbian
spare the fenders, save the trees, give your sober friend the keys
to hell with the baptists,m i'm going to disneyland
those who abandon their dreams will discourage yours
the only constant is change
the hole in the ozone is directly related to the hole in your head
towanda!
thelma & louise live
vote early & vote often -al capone
what a tangled world wide web we weave
where are we going and why am i in this handbasket?
well-behaved women rarely make history
xena for president
you nonconformists are all alike
"your silence will not protect you" -audre lorde
you can have my gun whern you pry it from my paranoid, mentally disturbed,
physically-abusive, cold, dead hand

small, bike size stickers:
girls kick ass
notice intolerance will not be tolerated
rainbow flag

all items above are priced:
1 for $1.50
3 or more - $1.35 each
5 or more - $1.20 each
7 or more - $1.00 each

also i have window stickers, etc.

peace sign - black on clear
yin-yang - black on clear
non-adhesive rainbow triangle - rainbow
non-adhesive womens symbol - purple on clear
non-adhesive peace sign - purple on clear
non-adhesive rainbow flag - rainbow

26" long skinny rainbow sticker (not really for the window, just a regular
sticker)

those items are:
1 for $2.00
2 for $3.00
3 for $4.00

for each order i am requesting 50 cents for postage or a sase per entire
order.  thanks a bunch!  peace, love, and happiness, sarah
  >>

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kind friends~~

and so i know that amy is playing at eddie's attic sometime this week. . .
don't know which day, although i'm thinking it's thursday the 19th.   any
help?  feel like planning a sporadic road trip. . .maybe.

peace,
summer
"there i am in younger days, star-gazing, painting picture perfect maps, of
how my live and love would be.  not counting the unmarked paths of
misdirection, my compass, faith in love's perfection, i missed 10 million
miles of road i should've seen."
~~emily saliers

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antigone 40 wrote:
>
> kind friends~~
>
> and so i know that amy is playing at eddie's attic sometime this week. . .
> don't know which day, although i'm thinking it's thursday the 19th.   any
> help?  feel like planning a sporadic road trip. . .maybe.
>
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hi,
i know she's playing on wednesday the 18th - tonight, with rose
polenzani and danielle h (sp?).  i don't know if she's playing there on
the 19th as well.
elaine

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date:         wed, 18 nov 1998 10:49:10 -0500
reply-to:     sweet melissa <mmgst11+@pitt.edu>
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hey,

sorry to bother everyone, but i need the info on how to sub and unsub.
send privately, of course.  thanks!  peace, melissa

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date:         wed, 18 nov 1998 14:14:57 -0600
reply-to:     tony & leigh ann <fraccabat@mindspring.com>
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since bar has unsubbed from both lists, she asked me
to pass this along...  sorry for the nigc, bandwidth, and all the
rest of it too.

*f*  *t*  *b*  *h*

>reply-to: "* bar *" <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
>from: "* bar *" <bcorrice@wam.umd.edu>
>to: "toot's poot" <fraccabat@mindspring.com>
>subject: gina woods-norris
>date: wed, 18 nov 1998 03:25:28 -0500
>
>*bar* is desperately seeking gina woods-norris...
>   if you have any information on how to locate gina,
>     please email me @  bcorrice@wam.umd.edu
>
>
>    tanks a mill, bar
>       *f* *t* *b* *h*
>           peace + love     forever a flower child
>               water retention is nothing new to me ~ emily saliers
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hi all,

excerpted from the eddie's attic web page
(http://www.eddiesattic.com)...

nov 18. amy ray, danielle howle, rose polenzani, and beth
wood - 7:00 all ages/no smoking, 9:30 21&over/smoking - $6

nov 21. michelle malone - 7:00 all ages/no smoking, 9:30
21&over/smoking - tara vandevender opens the 9:30 show - $8,
$12 both shows

-sherlyn
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date:         wed, 18 nov 1998 20:17:44 est
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i know there are some melissa etheridge fans here and i thought you might like
to hear the news, sorry no ig.

this was posted on the mein website today.    congrats to melissa & julie!

<<beckett is born!

it is with great joy that melissa etheridge and julie cypher announce
the birth of their son, beckett.  he came into the world weighing 9lbs,
5 oz at 10:27am today (wednesday, november 18) in los angeles.  and, his
name is beckett.>>

lynn   :-)     <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">
tahmehawk's place</a>

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ok so i'm at the site for this austin radio station kgsr 107.7 fm,
because patty griffin is going to be doing a live broadcast on there
(shameless plug!!) so of course i have to get the details cuz i love
patty. anyhow, their page says that their new cd broadcasts vol. 6 is
going to be out soon. this has live performances of different songs on
it..seems like every radio station has one these days..anyhow..

i was looking at the other volumes and on vol. 5 i noticed it has: 10.
indigo girls "thinkin' out loud"
thinkin' out loud? anyone know anything about this>??

*hugs*

lamia

p.s. carol (chikenwomyn@hotmail) i tried to email you and my mail came
back!


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pretty silver grrrl writes:
>
>omg ya'll!! i'm soooo freaking out. i'm sitting here listening to my
>tape of tori amos, the seattle end sessions for the first time! she
>finishes sister janet, and right before she does leather she says:
>
>thanks guys. this next song i wrote in like, um, not a lot of time
>because this girl was so horrible, and she lived above me, and we
>lived in these tiny little places in east hollywood. and so she said
>something to me, she was listening to my music one day and she said,
>um, i was just beginning to write little earthquakes and i hadn't
>written this one yet and she said [tori uses a snooty kind of voice]
>"you know you should really do something like the indigo girls."
>[crowd laughs] and i was going, "well, why do you think i should do
>that then?"
>and she goes, "because you know, it's like, really musical and stuff
>and you know i think, i can understand what they're saying." and i'm
>like, "but you're an idiot!"
>and the thing is i like amy and emily they're very nice, but this girl
>she's like..she's..she's..she's smigma[?]...

just thought i'd let y'all know... smegma is the crusty stuff on horse
penises.  i don't know how many of you have seem a horse penis, let
alone a crusty one, but it's pretty gross... definately a great insult
:)
happy day to all :)
jill

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hey guys,
i went to eddie's last night and it was a blast! i am only 18, but they
didn't card me so i got lucky. i talked to amy twice and sat on the
floor right next to the stage like two feet from amy. i got a pick and
a ton of pictures. i am getting them developed today -- hopefully
they'll turn out. rose is incredible--reminded me of sarah mclachlan
kinda and beth kicked butt and danielle is just plain goofy. we talked
in the long bathroom line and i am going to her show in athens
tonight....she is giving me her extra copy of the ep with blister in
the sun on it b/c i told her i had erased my copy. well, it was awesome
and i know someone booted it, but it wasn't me. catch ya later.
luv
jeri
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hey y'all,

keep running into ig in unexpected places.  just opened the new games magazine
to find the following quiz:

"eunice, the head librarian at the new rock 'n' roll archives, is a reliable,
hard-working employee - but not exactly the hippest cat of the litter.  when
it came time to archive the artists' recordings, eunice filed them based on a
literal translation of each band's name.... see how many you can identify."

here are some examples of questions:

black bird census
hearing-impaired jungle cat
organization of homo sapiens
tv newscasters

...and number 25 on the list - young women of a dark blue hue!

also just finished reading surface tension, which i believe was recommended
here on the list last summer.  i didn't realize that elizabeth wurtzel's essay
"the (fe)male gaze" is basically a treatise on the music of ig and melissa
etheridge as it relates to their sexual orientation.  interesting opinions.
here's an except:

...i envy the indigo girls their freedom...because what this is really all
about is the freedom to cry, and to do it in a certain voice that - pardon the
mixed metaphor - is beyond the male gaze...amy gave me a new idea of how i
could be as a woman performer, how i could be controlled and crazed all at
once, how i could own that distinctively male rock star quality that allows
all the ranting and raving to project itself into desire instead of need, into
a catcall and not a caterwaul.

wurtzel examines ig as performers unconcerned with the "male gaze," but makes
a not wholly successful attempt to refrain from romanticizing their "freedom"
as lesbians.  while not agreeing with her in every respect, i did find it a
very interesting article.  in fact, the whole book is interesting.  thanks to
the person on the list who recommended it!

peace y'all,

pam

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     okay, so i was driving to school this morning yet again
ahh! sorry, and i heard american tune by of course the girls!
i was mighty surprised seeing as one would expect to hear
closer to fine but this song? no way. anyway, after the song
was over and i was singing at the top of my lungs another
song came on so i decided to listen.  who can change a
station that just played american tune?  so i listened and i
thought to myself, boy that sure sounds like amy. after a few
verses i realized that it was the girls. the song had some
references to shanti and sort of had a tribal drum beat.  i
figured it must be a song from a compliation that they had
done.  so i waited for the dj to come on to tell me what it
was and as you could of guessed he never did! so could
someone help me out with the name of this song and where i
can get it? thanks!
     also, the radio staion was 88.9 boxford public radio in
the boston area for all who are interested.
    -kristin

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k roberts wrote:
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>      okay, so i was driving to school this morning yet again
> ahh! sorry, and i heard american tune by of course the girls!

i didn't know they recorded this - where can i find it by them?

> verses i realized that it was the girls. the song had some
> references to shanti and sort of had a tribal drum beat.  i

wouldn;t that be "letter to eve" by pete seeger?

elaine

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well, i'm finished on my ig site- "world of indigo" for now...you can
visit it at

http://www.angelfire.com/la/weird14u69/worldofindigo.html

let me know what you think, and if you have anything to add- pictures,
links, info, drop me a line!! i want this to be as informative as i can
get..i'm writing an ig paper write now, so i could also use more info -i
should be posting that on my page sometime in january..ok...thanks!!!


                           jeanette

               'they can't hurt you unless you let them'
                                -everclear

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                       find my way back to you'
                                - lizzie

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hkf's,

due to the inactivity - here's something that made me laugh b/c once again
it highlights my obsession... errrrr... i mean passion.

i have an ig folder in my ms outlook where the ig list mail automatically
goes (instead of the usual in box).  if you right-mouse-click on the ig
folder - the little pull-down / pop-up menu has a bunch of choices.  one of
the choices read like this:

a|e   rename "ig"

it's using the little "a|e" to describe changing the letters around, but
isn't that just so perfect!!!!!!!!!
8-)
thanks for listening!
a+e=ig

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k roberts wrote:

> ahh! sorry, and i heard american tune by of course the girls!

wow...i've only heard this on boots...didn't know it was recorded
anywhere (as in for radio airplay).

> the song had some references to shanti and sort of had a tribal drum beat.

sounds kind of like blood quantum off of the honor^1 cd.

anna

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in the december '98 issue of "atlanta" magazine (page 189) there is a
sidebar in the dining section about watershed, and a nice photo of emily
with the chef who designed their lunch menu.

(reprinted without permission) - beyond the burners
by ainsley waken

        with the opening of watershed, a gourmet food and wine shop.
emily saliers - one half of the internationally acclaimed folk rock duo
the indigo girls - is venturing into a new creative realm. for years
saliers has passionately committed herself to her music. now whe looks to
devote at least some of that passion to what she calls her "love of good
food, wine and flowers." watershed boasts a lunch menu of gourment
sandwiches designed by anne quatrano of bacchanalia and floataway cafe, and
the shop carries a vast array of reasonably priced wines, exotic flowers
and gifts. saliers and her three business partners are also organizing
wine tastings and classes at the shop., which they have envisioned as
something of an "upscale market." a decatur native, she's excited by the
chance to put down deeper roots in the community. to quote one of her own
lyrics, "i'm one of them, and i'm among friends."

watershed is located at 406 w. ponce de leon ave., decatur, (404)378-4900.

nancy humphries
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okay, i know i'm not the greatest at giving concert reviews, but i'm
gonna give it a try.

this was the show at the elbow room (a very small bar) in columbia, sc.
amy ray, danielle howle, rose polenzani, and beth wood.  there was a
show at 7:30 and one at 10.  my girlfriend and i, of course, went to
both.  =)
instead of playing one at a time, all four of the women came out and sat
on bar stools and they took turns playing a song.  danielle played the
first one, then amy, then beth, then rose.  and started over again.

okay, now onto the important stuff....like what amy was wearing!  haha.
i was quite impressed actually that she didn't have on one of her
typical polyester shirts or something.  instead, she had on a black
t-shirt and black jeans.  oh, and black combat boots...

now to the even more important stuff.....like what amy sang!  to begin
with, none of the songs she sang are on an album.  i don't know the
names of all the songs she sang because i had only heard two of them
before:  gone again and go go go.  she also sang a song that she wrote
for her grandmother she said (which had a killer ending) and one i think
may have been entitiled sister.  she also had one that was very
country-ish and one that was kind of sad in which the chorus was "i can
get the girls, but the boys just laugh."  i'm sure i'm probably getting
them all mixed up since i don't know the names of them and since i went
to both shows and she played some of the same ones at both shows and
some different ones at each too.  i just know that there was one song in
particular that just gave me chills.  it was a kind of dark and loud
song.  and, of course, i don't know the name of it either.   hopefully
she will play them at future concerts so that everyone can hear them and
maybe tell me what the names of them are....=)

at any rate, this concert was great and i really hope she puts these new
songs on the next album.  not to leave out the other women in the
show....they were really great too.  i had heard danielle quite a few
times before but i'd never heard beth or rose.  they are both extremely
talented.  beth is incredible on the guitar.  i could even see amy
looking over at her and watching her hands a lot of the time when beth
was playing.

well, this is getting long, so i'll wrap it up.  if anyone booted this
concert, please let me know.  although there seemed to be so much
talking at the second one that the boot probably wouldn't have turned
out too good.  by the way, during the second show when it was danielle's
turn to do a song, amy said to her "danielle tell us a story."  and
danielle said "i'll tell a story about people who come to a show to
talk!"  but, of course, even that didn't make people be quiet.  also,
the best line from amy that night was when beth mentioned that she had
gone to dent middle school in columbia, sc.  amy said something like
"yeah and we love irmo too!"  and then she jokingly said "actually, i've
made my peace with irmo.  after the show, i went running all through
irmo in a lightning storm.......nude."    hehe.  that was the best.  i
went to irmo high school so i just had to throw that in.  =)
well, thanks for anyone who actually read my entire review!  hey, at
least i tried.....=)

take care and happy indigoing,
sharon

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date:         thu, 19 nov 1998 14:50:01 -0800
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        just picked up a copy of tori amos's new compilation video: it's
called tori amos: the complete videos 1991-1998 and includes every music
video she's ever done (not counting, mercifully, the ones from y kant
tori read, her early-80's big-hair-rock-chick days), even both the u.s.
and uk versions of "cornflake girl," and "jackie's strength," "spark,"
and "raspberry swirl" (truly a bizarre video, i have to say) from her
latest album.  i love it.
        but, on to the ig content . . .
        i was watching the "past the mission" video.  it consists mostly
of tori walking through a spanish town of some sort--at the beginning of
the video, she's walking down a country road outside of town with a young
girl who looks about eight or nine, and an older one who looks about
sixteen.  they're all three wearing black, and holding hands, and tori is
singing as they walk into the town.  as they walk along, all the town
women gradually start following them, until tori is at the head of a
massive group of women.  the streets they're walking through are rather
narrow and lined on both sides by tall buildings, and the camera is doing
sort of a backwards tracking shot from in front of them, as they walk
along.  it looks kind of like a pied piper sort of thing (tori and the
women eventually wind up walking back out of town, through the fields,
along the road she was on in the beginning).  and it looks amazingly like
another music video i've seen with that pied piper sort of thing--you
guessed it--"closer to fine."
        it was pretty damn cool.  :)

        screaming in cathedrals,
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i hate to seem like a curmudgen, but my digests are coming in weird color
combinations ... i could barely physically read the last one i got.  why?  is
someone, or some people, posting in color?  the eye strain is starting to kill
me . ..

~ elizabeth

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hey,

        i just wanted to add a little something to sharon's review of the
columbia show (hi sharon!).  near the end of the concert, rose invited
this girl up from the audience, explaining that they perform together, and
the girl just happened to be in the crowd.  her name was erin mckeown.
anyone heard of her?  well, find out.  she's amazing.  she's twenty, about
five feet tall, shaggy blond hair and an outrageous smile.  (yes you are
picking up on a *slight* crush.)at one point during her song, amy was
staring at erin and shaking her head with her mouth half hanging open.
yes, the goddess amy was awestruck by the lovely erin's guitar skills.

okay, i had to throw my piece in and say that i am completely addicted to
the tape i bought at the show.

anyway, back to lurking.

-emily c

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hey!
alright, i know that somebody out there booted each of these shows:-)
so....if you are *the* person with a good recording of either shows, get back
to me please!!!  i'll make it worth your while, promise!  i'll trade anything.
anything. try me.

love,
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date:         thu, 19 nov 1998 18:15:10 -0800
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hey yall -

yep - this has been asked b4 - but i cant remember the answer - argh -

what kind of guitars do the girls use?

pls respond privately!  thanks...

sunny - who's trying to learn to play...patience right?

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hmmm, point 1)
i'm anal...does it bother anyone else that amy sings "through the dust
bowl, through the debt, grandma was a suffragette." ?
cuz the dust bowl and debt are obviously the 30's...and suffragettes
weren't needed after 1920 when women got the vote....
maybe its about the fact that she *remained* a suffragette even after
the vote was attained....

point 2)  i'll ask it again:  what classical composers do you think a &
e are like?  i think they are both definately romanticists....
i think amy is tchaicovsky, but i'm not surewho emily would be like....

point 3)  does anyone have ig's appearance on mtv unplugged?  i wanna
see it....

oh well, enough for now
carol
whos awaiting the radio playing ig...they announced they will be played
after the commercial break!
ps-anyone from southern ish south carolina?  cuz my parents are making
me go on vacation there over winterbreak....

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hey guys,
while in the bathroom line at eddie's wednesday, i told danielle that i
loved blister in the sun, so she said that if i came by when she was
playing she'd give me her extra copy of the blue ep from the lilith
fair. i went by the high hat in athens tonight, and talked to her and
she gave it to me. i was so awestruck at such a random act of niceness.
i gave her a hug and thanked her profusely. she is the bomb and has
scored a new huge fan.
jeri

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date:         thu, 19 nov 1998 19:23:22 -0800
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>thought to myself, boy that sure sounds like amy. after a few
>verses i realized that it was the girls. the song had some
>references to shanti and sort of had a tribal drum beat.  i
>figured it must be a song from a compliation that they had
>done.

this is most definitely "letter to eve", and is in fact by pete seeger. it
can be found on the compilation tribute to pete called "where have all the
flowers gone"! fabulous song, always makes me jump to my feet and dance my
ass off!!! played on the radio, huh? wow!!

peace y'all, laura

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hey all,

some impressions from thursday's show at eddie's:

the four of them (amy, rose polenzani, beth wood and danielle howle) took
turns doing songs essentially solo with one or two of the others singing
backup sometimes.  they did 4 rounds in both shows.  [32 songs for $10 --
quite a bargain!]

i hadn't seen rose or beth before and was very impressed with both.  i've
seen danielle plenty before and i always have the same impression: she's a
solid musical performer but she's even funnier than she is musically
talented.  it's distracting from her musical delivery how funny she is.  i'm
actually kind of frightened by her sense of humor.  when rose needed to
pause and tune her guitar, amy asked danielle to tell a story while they
were waiting so she starts to give out tips for the next time you go camping
in the woods: if you're on your period, bears can smell the blood and they
think you're wounded so they'll come and attack you.

in the first show, amy did:

oh, osalynn (sp?) -- this is now a full song with several verses (much more
fleshed out than on the 9:30 boot).  she said she wrote it for her
grandmother and also for a friend who's been sick.  probably my second
favorite of her songs (after "sister").
go -- no new info on this one: an old song she rewrote after the irmo high
school stuff
the boys just laugh -- she said that she went out with a guy on what she
hoped was a date but the guy either didn't think of it that way or else got
embarrassed at the appearance of its being a date when his friends came
around.  (is it just me, or does anybody else feel like gunther from
"friends"?)  a couple of lyrics changes: "i guess he does and i knew he
_should_" instead of "would" and "come on now _graceful_" instead of "come
on now _special_".
gone again -- she said that while in australia she met a couple of women
that she liked and tried to be free-wheeling and date them both at the same
time in some kind of open relationship but it wasn't happening so she just
gave up on both of them.  this one is already a crowd favorite.  lots of
people in the crowd must have boots.

in the second show she did:

sister -- she said this song was about "a motorcycle in the rain".
oh, osalynn (sp?)
go
gone again

amy invited anyone in the audience to join her and her friends on a road
trip to ft. benning (columbus, ga) to protest the school of the americas
this coming saturday and sunday.  don't have the exact details but it
sounded like saturday would be a tame sit-in/vigil whereas sunday would be
"an opportunity to be arrested" (whatever that means).

oh, yeah.  this guy uncle mark reynolds was at the show.  he's the one that
the benefit in february is for.  he seemed pretty well recovered from his
heart attack and bypass surgery: had dropped lots of weight from the last
time i've seen him (maybe over a year), which is a good thing, and was only
drinking water.  [he was sitting right in front of me.]  so he's not on his
death bed or anything.  the benefit is probably just to help pay his medical
bills.  a lot of performers don't have medical coverage, i guess. (remember
they had a similar benefit for michelle malone's medical bills sometime last
year.) those personal health insurance policies you can get as an individual
are like 3 times as expensive as what gets deducted from your paycheck for
group health insurance through work.

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hey all--

thalia zedek's band come is playing 2 shows this weekend.  i think you
should go check her... i mean them... out. ;)  (i think rebecca is doing
all the checking out at this point).

fri 11/20
come @ t.t. the bear's, 10 brookline st., cambridge ma, 617/492-0082 for
general info, 617/492-2327 for concert info.  tickets are a meager $8!
you must go.  that's an order.  doors @ 8:30.

sat 11/21
come @ maxwell's, 1039 washington st., hoboken nj, 201/798-0406.
tickets ooonly $7!!!  oh my my.  doors @ 8.  it's 3 bands that night,
come is the last band, they'll take the stage at about midnight, i
think.

arrive early, they's all goooood.
oh yeah, i'll be there too.  i'm actually getting on a train for boston,
in about an hour.  so wahooooooo, come see come and come entertain me.
and various assorted listees i've managed to find to share my obsession,
who shall remain anonymous to protect their good names.
good.  don't worry about no listmeet. just show up, and, like the sappy
song says, just call my name and i'll be there. ;)
and so will thalia.  hubba hubba.  heh.

jill


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someone somewhere must have already mentioned this, but it happened to
me, too!

i was walking along in the hotel bally's in las vegas, nv, this past
week with my mom, when i first saw, n_igo om, the other letters were
blocked by a column...i scooted over to the side so i could read the
sign.... the indigo room, "ack!" i thought, and stared at it hard for a
few seconds because i thought that i was imagining things.

my mom said, "what?"

i said, "look it, look it, it says 'the indigo room'" and she was like,
"so?"  and i replied, "you know my favorite group the indigo girls."  my
dad was with me later when we walked by a map, and i excitedly pointed
out the indigo room symbol(which was in the color orange), and he
pointed out the room on the hotel map.  (my dad plays the guitar and
helped my brother mark learn how to play; mark, in turn, introduced me
to amy and emily.)

beaming,
diane - who also noted that gladys knight was singing in vegas that
night; ig did a cover of gladys and the pips' midnight train to ga.
and, who also duly noted the first entire indigo music-less day
(november 18, 1998) since her obsession began back in march 1998. ;)

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>hmmm, point 1)
>i'm anal...does it bother anyone else that amy sings "through the dust
>bowl, through the debt, grandma was a suffragette." ?
>cuz the dust bowl and debt are obviously the 30's...and suffragettes
>weren't needed after 1920 when women got the vote....
>maybe its about the fact that she *remained* a suffragette even after
>the vote was attained....

suffragettes, if you use the most literal sense of the word, were no longer
needed after women got the constitutional right to vote (amendment 19,
ratified in 1920). but i think amy is using it in the broader sense, which
would encompass women who continued to fight for equal rights and greater
opportunities after the amendment passed. the women's movement, fired up in
the progressive era at the turn of the century, went on the backburner
during time of national crisis (the world wars). women did experience an
independent life outside the home in greater numbers, filling up the
industry positions created by the wartime economy. but after each war, there
was a desire for normalcy (the 1920s and the 1950s) and concentration on the
enjoying the booming economy: both highly conservative times, especially
with the ominous shadow of communism looming large. other issues important
to women's lives (sexual harassment, birth control/family planning, access
to jobs outside the domestic sphere, equal standing in the eyes of men)
remained unresolved, and many of them were not addressed by the nation until
the social upheaval in the late 1960s and 1970s. by that time, those
"suffragettes," whose advocation would have been squelched for most of the
century, would have been grandmothers.

i wonder if amy's grandmother was a hellraiser...

april

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hkf's,

even though it's been touched on already - i wanted to add my impressions on
the night. (long)

the four girls played in this order: amy, rose, beth, & danielle.  at one
point, i think at the start of the second show, amy said "i think we'll
stick with this order" or "i like this order" - sort of looking to her
either side to make sure everybody was on the same wave length with that.
but the whole show amy was very supportive of everybody up there, and she
played before rose, so she always was very gracious and flattering when she
introduced her.  amy said she was just introduced to rose's music this past
year and on rose's first song, rose said this is the first song amy heard on
her demo - so i guess that's how she got there...  had someone give amy her
demo and then <shazaaammm!>  she's singing harmonies with amy on go! <wow!>

the whole vibe of the night was great - very eddie-esque quiet of course,
but since one of the girls mentioned the night before was real rowdy -
people were eager to cheer all of them at the appropriate times.  about the
crowd's feedback - the second song of the night was really funny.  basically
amy started out & everyone knew she would sing a killer song & she did...  and
received a normal response.  but then rose was next - and i don't think
anyone had ever heard her before - and she had such an amazing, sombering, &
mesmerizing voice.  everyone was so pleasantly surprised by her performance
that the crowd went nutz!  and, since rose was getting embarrassed by the
attention, the crowd got even louder!!!  and in the process made rose feel
even more awkward standing up there.  when the crowd was settling down, rose
said the crowd was doing that just because she wasn't wearing a bra.  <more
laughs ensued>

and then beth was after rose - and her stage presence was apparent after
only a few chords.  compared to rose, she had a much more mature and refined
sound, not to mention some amazing guitar skills... (& not to mention some
amazing cuteness!!!!!)   she even used two of those string-clamp-things at
the same time - i think one was on all the strings, while the other one was
only on the three thinner/higher strings.  wow - i really know what i'm
talking about!  even though there styles were different, they both had
beautiful voices and some of beth's music was amazing all by itself...  if i
had to choose between them, i think i would get beth's cd, but i struggled
through this all night so they are both amazing.  some of her great songs
you could just picture making it to the radio or something.

since i've heard a lot about danielle, and vaguely remember seeing her open
for the girls awhile ago, i expected some good things from her - but i left
a little disappointed....  she was very funny though and her spoken word/short
story was very interesting or maybe just different.  let me just say i think
she has an amusingly different perspective on a lot of things.

my last .02 about amy - is that i really like her knew stuff.  go is still
my fave but i never heard the boys just laugh and that one really hit a
chord for me...  it just had that amy passion that makes her songs so amazing...
but all of the songs were great, whether her mandolin or her fave black
acoustic guitar - it is so awesome to be able to hear her in such an
intimate setting...

that's about all folks,
thanks for listening...
8-)
a+e=ig

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attention atlanta listees.......(21+)


doria roberts and josh joplin (both of whom appear on the thrive cd) will be
performing tonite (friday nov 20th) at the dark horse tavern (located in
virigina highlands off of north highland) .  the show starts at 10.  it's
gonna be great, so come on out...

and something to look forward too.... doria will be playing december 10th at
eddie's attic - show starts at 8, then she'll be heading over to the dark
horse for her cd release party the same night.  so check it out....

any question drop me a note.


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> i just got back from tower records and found a new laura love album at
> a listening station!  it's called "shum ticky."
>
> if any of you are not familiar with her, she is a great musician!  she
> calls her music celtic afro pop!  and that's exactly what it is!
>
> scott antall
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hey!  i just wanted to say good bye for a short while.  i am unsubbing for
a little while because i am leaving for paris tomorrow (to see some
friends), and i don't know if i'll have e-mail access there!
i'll get back on when i get back in december!
love,
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hey all :-)
ok, i've been wondering about this for a while, and i'm thinking some wise
person on this list can enlighten me.  what is this song about?
i've heard that it's about emily's first lesbian relationship.  but that can't
be, because as we all know it's about her "little boyfriend back in 6th
grade".

someone told me that it's about emily discovering that her and a boy just
didn't work together.  what do you guys think?
especially the line: "boy and girl are holding hands on the street\ i don't
want to but i think you just wait."

but basically i'm wondering about the whole song.

thanks!
love,
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hi, all,
emily wrote:
> but basically i'm wondering about the whole song.

        i think it's about not getting hung up in preconceived notions, or rules
or anything, whether it be about relationships, or religion or anything
else. and the fact that we get so caught up in trying to learn all those
rules that we don't realize that the least complicated way to live is the
hardest thing to learn.
take care all,
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something about patterns? about mistakes that we make over and over again?

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does anyone know when amy wrote boys just laugh?  is it a new song?

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hey y'all!  i'd like to get a copy of the 3/24/95 or 3/25/95 boot of
ig at the backyard in austin, tx.  i don't know if there is one..but
if there is, could someone please let me know.  i have some stuff to
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on fri, 20 nov 1998, emily kropp wrote:

> hey all :-)
> ok, i've been wondering about this for a while, and i'm thinking some wise
> person on this list can enlighten me.  what is this song about?
> i've heard that it's about emily's first lesbian relationship.  but that can't
> be, because as we all know it's about her "little boyfriend back in 6th
> grade".

        well, basically, if you look at it this way:  take the advice of
the song's title, and analyze the chorus.  "what makes me think i could
start clean-slated?  the hardest to learn was the least complicated."  i
think what emily's saying here is that often, the lessons that take us
the longest to learn are the lessons that, seemingly, were the most
obvious things to find out.  i can identify with that--i was in the car
yesterday, driving to school, and reflecting back on all my favorite tv
shows as a kid and a younger teenager.  when i thought about it, i
realized that all my favorite shows had been my favorites because i was
drawn in some way to the female stars.  looking back now, it's so obvious
that i was definitely gay, even at about 8 or 9.  when i came to that
realization, i said out loud, "well, what do you know . . . the hardest
to learn really *is* the least complicated.  why didn't i see that before?"
        i don't think the song, if you interpret it in this light, is
really *about* emily's boyfriend in sixth grade--rather, he plays a part
in the story, but . . .  according to some interviews i've read, emily
came out a lot later in life than amy did (well, a few years, anyway, i
believe);  however, the sixth-grade incident with danny was one of those
early events that, maybe, should have clued her in, but she didn't notice.
and then, when you think about all of emily's intro dialogue to lc on
_1200 curfews_, it kind of fits in, because at the end of talking about
her "little boyfriend danny," she says, "and that was just the beginning
of the rest of my life!"
        . . . i could have said those exact same words.

        screaming in cathedrals,
        shanie
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into the light; but i fear that to fall in love with you is to fall from a
great and gruesome height . . . "  -- dar williams, "iowa (traveling iii)"

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hi y'all,
  got this from the rieks sodenkamp musicbizz mailing list.
under the heading:

guitar recorded versions (authentic transcriptions with notes and
tablature)

amongst the hendrix and mark knopfler i found:

lilith fair:  a celebration of women in music.  this amazing matching
folio showcases artists associated with this phenomenally successful
tour.  includes 22 songs: been it (the cardigans) | building a
mystery (sarah mclachlan) | eternal flame (susanna hoffs) | falling
in love (lisa loeb) | going back to harlan (emmylou harris) | ladder
(joan osborne) | mississippi (paula cole) | the one (tracy bonham) |
periwinkle sky (victoria williams) | scooter boys (indigo girls) |
trouble (shawn colvin) | wash my hands (meredith brooks) | more.
includes an introduction by lilith fair conceiver sarah mclachlan.
00690318 fl. 57.85

for more info, contact

rieks sodenkamp
musicbizz
postbus 10 nl-6200 aa maastricht
tel : 00 (31) 43 3213411
fax : 00 (31) 43 3500217
email : rieks@musicbizz.com

a rsb company

  i've never dealt with them but got on their mailing list last year
when i was trying to run down a copy of the strange fire songbook.

also, from ladyslipper:

lilith fair songbook
in spite of some of the continually-repeated mis-information stated by
ms. mcl. in the intro (such as "the summer festivals out there were
completely male dominated"... but don't get me started), this songbook,
with piano/vocal/guitar parts, offers a nice composite of songs -- 22
altogether, from the repertoires of sarah, dar williams, indigos, shawn
colvin and more.

         hld6248sb - lilith fair songbook                19.98
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i had the strangest dreams last night - i only remember bits and
pieces - but i think they are sorta funny -

in my dream -
   i went to emily's watershed restaurant/cafe - and it was huge - it
had three different floors and totally funky looking...in a good way.
i saw emily briefly - we bumped into each other - and had a short
'oops sorry about that' exchange....

   then...i was hanging out w amy somewhere - she just sat down and
talked w us - some bar in atlanta (ive never really been to atlanta
ha) - and so amy was chatting w me and a friend and then she said
'well i have to go to work'...and i asked her where and she gave me
the name of a business (started w "i") but the business was one of
those 'mailbox' places - ya know what i mean?  where you can send
boxes, buy boxes, but its not really a post office...i remember being
surprised that she worked there - but she did not want to talk about
it...she needed money in between touring!  (lol)  but she did tell me
that on her lunch breaks - she goes to wendy's for a chicken
sandwhich.  (???!)

ok this was so weird - but when i woke up this morning i was trying
really hard to remember the name of the 'mailbox' store she worked
at...duh?!

anyhoo - just had to share...*ahem*

take it easy - have a happy saturday - i think i need more sleep...or
maybe lay off the wine b4 bed?  lol

sunny


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someone asked on the bbs today, do any of you know when the sots tour book
will be available for purchase?? well just checkin!  gosh this list is seeming
so slow these days!  anyone else having that problem?
good day,
trooper, who's gettin ready to watch herself an alabama/auburn game!


p.s.  go jona girl!

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the official lilith fair site sells this too, i saw it the other
day..if you go and look under merchandise.

*hugs*

lamia


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> lilith fair songbook
this songbook,
> with piano/vocal/guitar parts, offers a nice composite of songs -- 22
> altogether, from the repertoires of sarah, dar williams, indigos,
shawn
> colvin and more.

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i found this website with tons of polls on it along time ago.   i even created
some of the polls myself...anyone can.   anyway, there is this question asking
who is the best lesbian singer/songwtriter and am surprised by the results!
the choices are melissa etheridge, ig, k.d. lang and all/none of the above.
now i figured melissa etheridge would be number one...and she is, but what
surprised me is that the ig are 3rd!   k.d. lang is # 2!    i can't believe
that!   where are all the ig fans!?
if anyone is interested here's the link to the site.   if for some reason this
link doesn't work,  the link is also posted on my website.
<a href="http://www.blacktop.com/cgi-bin/poll_central/poll_central.cgi">poll
central</a>

have fun,

lynn   :-)    <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
place</a>

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ooops!   here's the link to that particular poll i mentioned.
<a href="http://www.blacktop.com/jah/poll_central/data/jun171998222617a_person
.html">who do you think is the best lesbian singer(s)/songwriter?</a>

sorry 'bout that,

lynn   :-)      <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">
tahmehawk's place</a>

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hey, everyone.

a while back i posted a query about the wonderfully and obsessively complete
discography--the best kind!--maintained by steve clark.  i never heard
anything from anyone, and i thought i'd give it the good old college try
again.

if anyone knows if there is a more up-to-date version than the one found at
http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo/articles/ig_disc.txt , i'd love it if
you'd drop me a line and let me know where i can get access to it.  i'm
going to a huge record show next week, and would love to have a copy of it
with me as i peruse the merchandise.

if you haven't yet looked at the discography, by all means treat yourself
to a look at this fantastic resource.  but beware:  it just might turn
you into an obsessive collector if you're not one already!  (i recently
shelled out far more money than i care to admit for a copy of the german
"wood song" promo, for instance!)

if anyone has any news on an update, let me know!

deanna

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this is an old ig article that i came across that i simply had to
share with y'all.  if you have read this before, just delete it.
sorry for the long post.

tanya ;-)

march 1997 -- atlanta magazine

strange fire

by robert c. morris

amy ray's fiery passions and gale-force determination have been the
impetuses behind turning the ig into a national act. as the
duo releases their edgiest album to date, ray's demands on herself are as
exacting as ever.

"damn! damn!" amy ray abruptly stops strumming her guitar and shouts at the
grinding, edgy music blaring from an amp just
one inch from her face. kneeling in the dark, glass-enclosed recording
studio, she lets her head drop to her chest. her long
brown hair, thrown over her face, sweeps down and brushes against the ripped
knees of her blue jeans as the music comes to
an abrupt stop.

"let me just do it again," ray insists to emily saliers and her other
colleagues staring in at her from the other side of the glass.

it doesn't matter that its 11 at night, that she has recorded this track for
the ig's new album, tentatively titled map, over a
dozen times or even that she's pushed everyone in the studio, including
herself, to the edge. saliers, who had told ray at least a
dozen times in the last three hours, to no avail, that her music sounds
"great," "cool," even "perfect," shakes her head and rolls
her eyes.

for a moment the atlanta singer whose fiery passions and gale-force
determination have been the impetuses behind turning the
ig into a national act, selling 7 million albums in less than 8 years,
slumps over her amp in self-doubt. "i'm not sure i can do it,"
she intones to the group watching her through the glass.

but when the producer slides a couple of tiny levers on the giant mixing
board, and the music starts up again, ray comes to life.
"here i sit in the land of plenty, cryin' about my own virginity..."

still poised with her nose inches from the amp, she begins dipping her head
to the beat until she is writing with the sound, wildly
strumming her guitar, lunging toward the amp and reeling back, then singing:
"scooter boys and argentineans, europe shed the
blood of the indian..."

"yeah! yeah!" saliers, the other half of the ig, shouts with approval. in
fact, everyone in the studio--the album's co-producer
david leonard, the band's veteran manager, russell carter, the house
engineer caram costanzo, and even carter's 6 yr old
son, evan--thinks the song rocks. everyone, that is, except amy.

"let me just try playing alone," she tells them. there are several sighs in
the studio, and a frustrated saliers walks out.

as the music starts up again, ray remains transfixed on the sounds blaring
straight through her: "a chapter in the book on the
americas, you're just another colonial terrorist..."

ray's dark, wavy hair is perpetually in her face, her blue jeans are almost
always torn and she wears the checkered flannel
shirts, boots and baseball caps you'd expect to see on a truck driver. she's
hot-tempered, maintains an in-your-face attitude
and then, at other times, is prone to hanging about dark corners, peering
off into the stratosphere, brooding, like a poet. but she
also radiates other qualities--ethereal, soft and most definitely
irresistible; she looks strangers in the eyes and flashes huge smiles
that light up a room.

"she's a very demanding person," says russell carter, the former attorney
from decatur who has been the igs manager since
1988. "she can be very hard on herself and everyone around her, and then she
can be a classic sweetheart."

ray, 32, began really pushing the group in the mid and late '80s, just after
graduating from emory university. she relentlessly
called clubs, asking if they had received demo tapes, if the girls could
play and when they would be invited back. despite
irritating some club owners, she eventually won over almost everyone who
said the band wouldn't make it, including russell
carter. at the time there was a large community of women folk singers
playing in atlanta, including caroline aiken and dede
vogt, and no one except amy ray believed the igs would break through onto
the national scene. while saliers provided the
perfect complement to ray musically, emily wasn't certain things would work
out and was contemplating going on to graduate
school. amy, on the other hand, was convinced that if they worked hard
enough, she would find them a recording contract.
"amy had this absolute sense that they were going to be stars," says carter.
"she was like, 'let me tell you something--i'm
going to be a star.'"

then, in july 1988, everything changed for "the girls," as they are known by
their devoted fans. epic records signed them to a
major contract, which began a string of incredible successful albums,
starting in 1989 with the grammy-winning ig, the
self-titled debut record for epic. that same year strange fire was
re-released; nomads, indians, saints came in 1990, back
on the bus y'all in 1991, rites of passage in 1992, and swamp ophelia in
1994. in 1995 the band releases 1,200 curfews, a
live double album, which sold more than 500,000 copies. they consistently
sell out arenas that seat 15,000 and have even
developed a cultlike following that refer to themselves as "indigo heads."
and at a time when album sales are down throughout
the industry, the igs are considered one of epic's most valuable assets.

"the girls have generated millions of dollars for this company," lisa
markowitz, the band's publicist, unabashedly admits. "they
do their own artwork, choose the themes for their packaging, choose their
own photographers, wear their own clothes. i
always say to them, 'you don't ever need epic. with a good distribution
company you could put out your own record.'"

yet as they prepare to release a new album early next month, amy ray
sometimes seems to be her own worst enemy. in fact,
after years of struggling to get the igs where they are, ray isn't sure
success is such a good thing. during a dinner break
between recording sessions ray and saliers honestly discuss their
differences about their future.

"if we're getting too much attention, i try to sabotage it a little bit,"
say ray, raising her eyebrows and flashing her million-dollar
smile.

"our poor manager," moans saliers, and they both laugh.

unlike her singing partner of more than a dozen years, and unlike just about
everyone in the music industry, ray insists she does
not want a hit song. "they can ruin your career," she says.

almost apologetically, saliers tells ray, "part of me just wonders, could we
ever have a hit song? would that ever happen?"

in a moment of righteous indignation, ray says sharply, "i don't."

part folk singer, part saboteur, part self-described subversive, amy ray is
perpetually searching for who she really wants to be.
"i'm not satisfied with this being a musician, you know. i wanna go work on
housing projects or i wanna do this or..." she
pauses, squints her eyes slightly and cracks a grin. "i have 10 different
careers i wanna have."

amy ray says she doesn't like being rich or famous, and yet she labors for
hours, days and sometimes years perfecting a single
song. she says she doesn't want fans looking to her for answers, but she
wants change the world. she stands up for the
pro-choice movement, environmental causes, the rights of gay, native
americans and mexican revolutionaries, and yet she
says she respects sen. jesse helms ("i respect the fact the he stands up so
strongly for what he feels"). she plays benefit
concerts for gay causes, has publicly announced that she is a lesbian, and
yet she thinks the gay movement is too hung up on
itself ("there's no excuse for the gay movement to not stand up and reach
out to other disenfranchised people"). she's tough
but prone to what her manager calls "blowups," and she cries a lot.

"she's conflicted," says carter. "all of these conflicts provide a tension
in her life that leads to creativity. if she didn't have that,
she'd probably be messed up."

at 2:30 am on a rainy friday morning in little five points a raucous crowd
continues to pack the star community bar. word
is out: amy ray is in the house. she's notorious for making impromptu
appearances here, and all eyes turn to the disheveled
local folk heroine as she walks through the crowd. she bows her head and
shrugs her shoulders, making her way through the
throng of well-wishers patting her on the back. until 1988 the igs played in
little five points regularly, drawing a large and
devoted following of fans. tonight when ray walks onto the stage, the crowd
cheers.

but they aren't going to hear igs songs, songs of adolescence, lost
innocence and renewed conviction. rather, ray huddles
over her guitar, picking along to an angst-ridden number by viva la diva, a
local band that ray has promoted on her
grass-roots label, daemon records. after several minutes she approaches the
microphone, exchanging screeches with the lead
singer, cooper seay: "what you get!... what you want!"

ray is intensely committed to what many in the music industry would consider
lost causes. she pours her own money into
unprofitable music ventures because, she says, "i want to nurture the
underground music scene in atlanta. part of it is selfish.
i'm driven to do it for some reason. i believe in the underground, i really
do, because i hope to return to it."

contributing generously to charity and the underground music scene in
atlanta, according to carter, is a major motivational
factor for ray. "i push her to go do a promotional activity so she can make
some money," he says, pausing, and then shaking
his head in disbelief, "so she can give it away."

ray's an agitator, a moral conscience, a folk heroine for the '90s. she's
committed to changing the status quo; during several
conversations last winter she meandered from the plight of the zapatista
rebels in mexico to aids victims in atlanta who are
dying in poverty to the polarization of blacks and whites in atlanta who
don't live in the same neighborhoods or socialize
together. during a trip to mexico last summer she visited chiapas, the heart
of the zapatista revolution, slept in the mud and
spoke to victims of torture and rape, gun-toting revolutionaries who hope to
retake ancestral homelands and reverse provisions
in nafta that, she says, make it impossible for the people to stay on their
land.

deep conviction is both what makes her tick and what makes her music so
compelling. she is a gifted songwriter, whether it's
conjuring up images of the promised land to describe a failed love and its
lonely aftermath or telling of a railroad car, filled with
victims of the holocaust, that is "bound for glory." she dedicated a song to
the late poet frank stanford and sings openly about
immortality, death and her wish to be "a nomad, an indian or a saint." with
the new album, "we feel like we're at a
crossroads," carter sys. the band had decided to stray further from a mostly
upbeat sound to something looser, edgier and full
of drums and electric guitars. it is one reason, says carter, there has been
"a lot of tension" making this new album.

ray's abiding need to be faithful to a world of misfits and the dispossessed
goes a long way in explaining why the igs have
never been completely accepted by the music establishment. their music is
routinely ignored by radio stations that play top 40
hits. "it's unfortunate," says the band's publicist, lisa markowitz, 'they
have been ignored completely by mtv."

markowitz is the first to praise the girls' integrity and autonomy ("we do
not enforce any kind of artistic regulations on their
creativity," she says), but she also says, "they need me to tell them what
to wear." markowitz readily admits that her job
promoting the girls would be made worlds easier if they would just put on
"armani suits and miniskirts." but the fact of the
matter is, "we don't have a choice," concedes markowitz. amy ray in armani
would be like arnold schwarzenegger in drag.
"it won't happen."

but the very thing that make amy ray unattractive to the mainstream make her
a heroine to another large and devoted segment
of american society. carter says market research shows that while the igs
appeal to a large female, straight and lesbian
demographic, some 50 % of the audience is male, and many are in their 40s
and 50s, people who "grew up listening to joan
baez, peter, paul & mary who feel that they [ig] carry on that tradition.
when i speak of a cult, i also mean older people,
people who think they [ig] are on par with the causes they grew up with."

but ray's success also stems from her roots, of having come from several
generations of atlantans, and the fact that her lyrics,
her passion, even her need to create, are deeply embedded in the soul of the
south. she often refers to church spirituals, the
blues, jazz and early rock'n'roll that originated in the south and recounts
how she was inspired by those traditions. "i'm so
southern," she says with a soft atlanta accent. "i feel indebted to my
southerness, my attachment to the land, my blood
relationships. the south is like no other place--there are a lot of bad
legacies and a lot of great legacies. it's the best of the best
and the worst of the worst all mixed into this past."

and she's a southern woman who happens to be gay and famous and wealthy, who
isn't about to go away or shut up. "i never
worry about going up against people," says ray. "basically, i'm a
subversive. i feel like i can accomplish a whole lot that way. i
don't want to be talked to as an ig instead of me. i don't want people
trying to get to know me for the wrong reasons."

and tonight at the star bar, ray is in her own element, amidst those whom
she trust the most. people are screaming, clapping,
banging bottles on tables, a sea of women hugging women, men hugging women.
when the band comes back onstage, they do
not play an encore but rather join the crowd in one last round of applause
for ray, who has returned to the belly of the packed
bar.

those who have seen amy ray perform live are almost always drawn to her
intense emotions, unwavering resonance and the
range of her voice. she can hit a strangely seedy and tragic contralto and a
chirpy, crystal-clear soprano. fans often say that
even in a large venue, watching the igs is an intimate experience. offstage
she is equally as passionate.

emily saliers is sitting in the kitchen of the atlanta recording studio
southern tracks recording, trying to describe her singing
partner, who is in another room and yelling at somebody over the telephone.
"you're just running all over me and not letting me
say a damn thing!" ray shouts.

saliers looks in the direction of the muffled shouting and says, "she's just
very driven to accomplish the things that she thinks
need to get done."

saliers says ray has been a "big influence" on her and credits her for
"bringing things to my attention that i wasn't aware of."
while saliers is known for her complex chord progressions, catchy lyrics and
love songs, ray is known more for her rough
edges, simple, straightforward music and for songs of loss. saliers speaks
of ray's "vision" and how ray first came up with her
own marketing strategies for the band, such as playing in rock clubs rather
than limiting themselves to the bars and clubs that
were friendly to folk singers. "she brings an edge to my music," says
saliers.

suddenly amy appears from behind a closed door and paces up and down the
kitchen. for the next 30 minutes emily acts as a
sounding board for amy's latest family crisis. emily attempts to steer amy
back to their music and the crew that awaits them
downstairs, but amy grits her teeth and shakes her head. because amy feels
everything so intensely, it's hard for her to
continue. she likens herself to the disenfranchised not because she's gay,
but because at times she sees herself going crazy.
"the old tribes, the crazy people, the were the shamans. it's like people
that other people think are, like, lunatics usually see
things a lot more clearly. they don't have the boundaries. a lot of my
friends, they even classify me that way sometimes, but not
usually. i keep it sort of to myself."

ray is driving down ponce de leon avenue in her toyota 4runner and has a
world of trouble on her mind. the back seat is
filled with several bags of dog food to feed her four mutts, all former
strays. she says she's been through a tough breakup with
a lover, her aunt recently died and her sister has tb. and that's not to
mention the brutalized mexican women she can't get out
of her mind. it's obvious nothing can stop her from continuously churning
these concerns over and over again in her mind.
nothing can save her big heart from hurting. nothing, that is, save her
music.

"it never really stops for me," she says, staring at a few homeless men who
inhabit the strip. "i never stop thinking. it's hard for
me to look at a lot of the things i've dealt with in my songs. for me it's
better not to think about it and to write from the heart."


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