lifeblood: listlogs: 1998-12d


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date:         tue, 22 dec 1998 00:36:13 est
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subject:      indigo moment at the movies!!!
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okay y'all,
           i went to see the movie, you've got mail today (i was very
dissatisfied with the ending) but in one of meg ryan's e mails to tom hanks,
she is talking about being lonely and missing her mother at christmas.  guess
what song she talks about!   river!!!  yes, our very own river, written by
joni mitchell and covered by emily!  before she even said anything about joni
or the song, she started quoting it.  after she said, "it's coming on
christmas," my friend sitting next to me was ready to slap me because i let
out this squeal!  one line and i knew the whole song was coming!  no mention
of emily, but they brought up joni several times later in the movie.

ra
who is still laughing over jillian running off with the nanny.

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date:         tue, 22 dec 1998 00:03:14 -0500
reply-to:     rebecca lyon <beccie@websunshine.com>
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subject:      atlanta mag amy article and amys resopne
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hey all anyone out there know what's up with the lifeblood site???? i was
trying to look up the old atlanta mag article and amy's response to share it
with someone else and since i have a new pc since my breakup i have not got
my old favorites to visit to find it anyone out who can help me out with an
url....and tell me what's up with the lifeblood site being
down????????please help :o)


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peace love and light

beccie lyon
remember.........
"i'm going to love you good and strong while our love is good and young"
indigo girls.....shaming of the sun....get out the map

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date:         tue, 22 dec 1998 12:25:22 -0500
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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from:         deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
subject:      top 10 cds of '98, lifeblood
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at 12:03 am 12/22/98 , rebecca lyon wrote:
>hey all anyone out there know what's up with the lifeblood site???? i was
>trying to look up the old atlanta mag article and amy's response to share it
>with someone else and since i have a new pc since my breakup i have not got
>my old favorites to visit to find it anyone out who can help me out with an
>url....and tell me what's up with the lifeblood site being
>down????????please help :o)

i'm not having any trouble getting to lifeblood
<http://www.lifeblood.net/index.html>, but those articles are on my site
<http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo/indigo.html> as well.  i've also put my
top 10 cds of '98 (with links) in my artist spotlight
<http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo/music.html>:

   1.lucinda williams, car wheels on a gravel road
   2.randy scruggs, crown of jewels
   3.eagle eye cherry, desireless
   4.lyle lovett, step inside this house
   5.melissa ferrick, everything i need
   6.ani difranco, little plastic castle
   7.laura love, shum ticky
   8.neil finn, try whistling this
   9.bonnie raitt, fundamental
  10.semisonic, feeling strangely fine


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date:         tue, 22 dec 1998 14:23:58 -0700
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subject:      re: fanatical male pro lifers (take 2)

saying that all male pro-lifers are fanatical is like saying all women
drivers are bad.

....and it is way beyond time to take this one to private mail.

cheers,
l'sly         <---- who frankly doesn't believe in "men" and "women"

lance s. longwell
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date:         tue, 22 dec 1998 17:03:22 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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subject:      happy holidays
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just wanted to wish everyone a merry christmas and happy holidays.  i'll
be signing off for a week, so if anybody's trying to reach me, i'll
catch ya'll next week.

"it's coming on christmas, and they're cutting down trees, putting up
reindeer and singing songs of joy and peace..."

everyone try to keep your chins up and remember the spirit of the season
in these times of political uncertainty.  my best to all of you.

-tara

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date:         tue, 22 dec 1998 19:21:35 est
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from:         chee hill <tcheehill@aol.com>
subject:      eddie attic 12/26 & 12/27
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in a message dated 12/22/98 5:25:10 am !!!first boot!!!, listserv@netspace.org
writes:

<<  both lists have their purposes, this one is about ig. please
follow up any responses to the freeforall list: and beware, that's where
the vocal freewheeling liberals have moved :). >>

first of all, i love that statement...notice above.

second of all, who is going to eddie's on the 26th and the 27th???????
if you are....if you are,,,,,,if you are, look out for me b/c i'm meeting a
friend there (a guy.... and yes, it's a date, jilly silly:)).  i'm thinking
about getting there early....like around 4pm to get a number while my friend
is at work, but i don't want to wait by myself  a..n..d >>>i don't want to be
in the presence of good folks like y'allselves and be sooooooooo distant.

can you tell i'm excited?  i'm a-going to have a hootin' good ole time...even
if with a sort-of-ex-boyfriend.  y'all folks, i haven't been this psyched
since i got my job out here in texas!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and now i'm going home for
the holidays...good ole sweet georgia.  i'm a dweed, i know.  but, aren't you
glad for me?  i wonder if i should stay around for the open mic night on the
28th...and plug the listee's tape by shelley...and how is that going, ms.
shelley miller?

but, you know it, and i know it, they know and everybody knows it....that
being on-line and being a subscriber to an e-mail list is about as dorky as i
want to be right now...it might not be a good idea to profess my presence on
this list.  i mean, i mean, i mean, i mean i'm sittin' there on the bench (oh,
sorry..i got kind of lost in arlo guthrie world)...i mean, really:  who knows
at least one person (a friend or not) who has said that being on-line and
using e-mail is the devil's tool?  it is dorky (but it's pro-environment!), so
i won't plug the list, i guess.

third of all, i'm starting to really dig the country-western scene.  anybody
else?  if indigo girls do indeed record a cd that's pure folksy and a little
country, wouldn't that just hit the nail on the head of fads?  i mean, it's a
fad lately, i think....to dig country-western...oh, perhaps it's me.  i don't
know, but i see it here in texas (a place that's always been into country-
western, i guess).

forth of all, did i tell y'all that i'm going to eddie's on the 26th (shawn
mullins) and the 27th (amy and danielle and i think michelle)?  maybe i'll
record it for y'all....or maybe not!!!!!!!  ha ha ha ha ha!  (e-mail me if you
really want to have a tape of it sent to you)

over and out,
chee

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date:         tue, 22 dec 1998 18:34:03 -0800
reply-to:     luna mook tick <luna-tick@home.com>
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hey y'all i am singing off till jan.  but if any of y'all want to e-mail
me please do either at this address or at luna_mook_tick@hotmail.com
but if any of y'all have any more ideas of what i should do in saint
louis please e-mail it to the hotmail account.  add if anything really
important gets posted send it to me.  thanks.  see y'all next year!

hugs and hershey kisses~
luna

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date:         wed, 23 dec 1998 00:30:45 est
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time: man of the year

for rewriting the book on crime and punishment, for putting prices on
values we didn't want to rank, for fighting past all reason a battle whose
casualties will be counted for years to come, bill clinton and kenneth
starr are time's 1998 men of the year. time.com offers an in-depth look at
both personalities along with a variety of interactive features and
profiles of the runners-up.

http://cgi.pathfinder.comwww.time.com/moy

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date:         wed, 23 dec 1998 00:51:25 est
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in a message dated 98-12-23 00:48:18 est, indigobabs@aol.com writes:

<< for rewriting the book on crime and punishment, for putting prices on
values we didn't want to rank, for fighting past all reason a battle whose
casualties will be counted for years to come, bill clinton and kenneth
starr are time's 1998 men of the year. >>

a sad commentary on the times we live in......

peace,
tim

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subject:      igc:  daemon big bang sampler
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more info on the new daemon multimedia big bang sampler!!

i just thought i would mention that this is a limited edition (meaning they
didn't make that many!) so you may want to order it soon.   it's $6.00 and
it's on the daemon web site (http://monsterbit.com/daemon/)

if you get it, and love it, you should let them know - they would appreciate
the feedback!

there *is* igc on this cdrom, in the multimedia portion.   there is video
footage from jesus christ superstar, and a new mongrels video, shot in the
studio as they were recording the cd.    there are also videos for the various
artists featured, as well as sound clips and reviews.   artists featured
include:  three finger cowboy, danielle howle & the tantrums, indigenous,
terri binion, belloluna, jesus christ superstar, the rock*a*teens, new
mongrels, reversing hour and lift.

and if for some reason, you can't play the multimedia section of the cd-rom,
the collection of music put together on the sampler is great too!   the very
best of daemon.  two great things for the price of one =)   and all for $6.00.

=)
lisa

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lori--liltree!!
hey--i finally have your boots ready for you, but i seem to have misplaced
your addy!!  will you please send it to me?  :)  i feel, like such a schmuck
that it's taken me this long to get these to you!!  :)  maybe you'll have em'
by next week!!  :)
kara.

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at 07:21 pm 12/22/98 , chee hill wrote:
>third of all, i'm starting to really dig the country-western scene.  anybody
>else?

not country-western per se, but i'm am definitely getting into what's being
dubbed alt.country or roots music or americana... lucinda williams, lyle
lovett, and randy scruggs (check out the guest list on his cd!
<http://www.wbr.com/nashville/randyscruggs/cmp/album.html> are  among my
top 10 cds of the year.  i still think k.d. lang's country cds are her best
work.  i'm a long-time fan of roseanne cash.  (mary-chapin carpenter has a
few songs i like but in general i like a little more folk or rock or jazz
in the mix).  the jayhawks, uncle tupelo, son volt, and wilco are favorites
which are more rock-country than country-rock.

btw, cd universe has an american page at
<http://www.cduniverse.com/asp/americana.asp>

> if indigo girls do indeed record a cd that's pure folksy and a little
>country, wouldn't that just hit the nail on the head of fads?  i mean, it's a
>fad lately, i think....to dig country-western...oh, perhaps it's me.  i don't
>know, but i see it here in texas (a place that's always been into country-
>western, i guess).

austin has some terrific artists of that genre (anna egge is doing pretty
well thanks to fellow austin resident shawn colvin), i suspect a lot of it
is your location, but there's no doubt that country music which doesn't get
played on country radio stations is gaining fans.

i would definitely be thrilled to hear more songs like "gone again" on the
next ig cd, it's still my favorite of the new songs.

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at 12:51 am 12/23/98 , timothy j. baldwin wrote:
>in a message dated 98-12-23 00:48:18 est, indigobabs@aol.com writes:
>
><< for rewriting the book on crime and punishment, for putting prices on
> values we didn't want to rank, for fighting past all reason a battle whose
> casualties will be counted for years to come, bill clinton and kenneth
> starr are time's 1998 men of the year. >>
>
>a sad commentary on the times we live in......

not really... time's award is never a judgement on the person, but rather
an acknowledgement that they played a major role in the world, for better
or worse.  i don't think you can dispute that they played the major roles
in the news story of the year.

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this is the addy i have for the lifeblood site


http:\www.lifeblood.net

merry, merry hols everybody :)

jude :)

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in a message dated 98-12-23 09:56:54 est, indigo@mindspring.com writes:

<< not country-western per se, but i'm am definitely getting into what's being
dubbed alt.country or roots music or americana... lucinda williams, lyle
lovett, and randy scruggs (check out the guest list on his cd!
<http://www.wbr.com/nashville/randyscruggs/cmp/album.html> are  among my
top 10 cds of the year.  i still think k.d. lang's country cds are her best
work.  i'm a long-time fan of roseanne cash.  >>

oh yeah......add my vote for gillian welch's "hell among the yearlings",
mollie o'brien's "big red sun", and irid dement's "the way i should".....and
check out the guest list on nanci griffith's "other voices, too".....

i still get shivers when i listen to k.d.'s voice on "shadowlands" or her
cover of roy orbison's "crying".....and rosanne's "interiors" and "the wheel"
are two of my all-time favorites (along with everything else she's
recorded)....

beats the hell out of nashville.....

peace,
tim

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date:         wed, 23 dec 1998 11:29:48 est
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oops.....as i hit send i saw i had written irid instead of iris dement....i
spel gud but my tieping suxx..... ;)

tim

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<< bill clinton and kenneth
starr are time's 1998 men of the year.  >>


i weep for the future of our country.  merry x-mas, happy solstice, etc etc
etc yadda yadda yadda....


dawn

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date:         wed, 23 dec 1998 18:28:11 -0700
reply-to:     lance s longwell <longwell.ls@juno.com>
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subject:      radio free amerika--an appeal for additional songs

to re-fresh everyone's memory, i'm collecting songs off cds for a list
bootleg:  radio free amerika.  the songs will come off radio station
compilations around the country.  since we all can't buy these, this is
the only way some of us will ever get them.

well, here's the update on radio free amerika.  thus far, i've gotten
commitments for the following songs off these cds:

mountain stage vol 5 (love's recovery)
women live from mountain stage (sf)
kbco vol 2 (j&e)
kbco vol 9 (soy)
live at the world cafe vol 1 (lc)
ktcz the cities sampler gems (3 hits)
kcsa live from the music hall vol 2 (reunion)
kfog live from the archives 4 (gotm)
99x live x for humanity (down by the river)
kgsr vol 5 (soy)
99x live x iv (soy)
kmtt (soy)

if anyone else has any other songs on any other cds not mentioned above
(and would like to participate), please contact me.  otherwise, i will be
making more updates in the future.

thanks so much and happy holidays!

l'sly

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date:         tue, 22 dec 1998 23:25:23 -0500
reply-to:     rebecca lyon <beccie@websunshine.com>
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hey all,
i have been playing around with my new pc and i have made a background of
amy pics.......i made it of pics i found on the web, so if anyone wants to
have a copy of it email me and i will send it to ya......

p.s.   yes i know i'm obsessed but aren't we all????? tee hee

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to all the the wonderful folks i've corresponded with, commiserated with,
disagreed with, and shared music with during this past year.....my warmest
wishes during this holiday season for a peaceful and joyous observance.....

and best wishes and thanks to amy ray and emily saliers for making our world a
better place to be......

peace, love, and harmony....
tim

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the line, pain from pearls, i heard it is some sort of literary allusion...to
what?
happy holidays everyone.

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hello!

my best friend gave me the coolest birthday card:

front: "on your birthday you can either be the hammer, or the nail"
inside: "you can either get hammered, or nailed!"

yeah, it's dumb, but she couldn't resist the ig reference. personally, i'm
impressed she got that one!

anyhow, it's been quite the week... i'm on yucky meds, and the doctor's
news wasn't the greatest...wasn't the worst either...alright, i'll quit
complaining...

i'm gonna have a bunch of t-shirt left over, so if you want one, email me.
for those already on the waiting list, you *will* get a shirt - i promise!
i will be emailing everyone individually after new year's when i get back
home...

--amy

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just wondering how many ig concerts people have been to.
i know i talked to someone who's been to 40. i myself have been to um....6 i
think. (i have some catching up to do)

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if i was to guess...when an oyster gets a grain of sand inside of itself, it is
an irritant.  the oyster secreets (i can't spell lol) pearl juice (okay, don't
know the real term either) in order to make it tolerable.  therefore a pearl is
born after many years of pain.

jmho...

the line, pain from pearls, i heard it is some sort of literary allusion...to

> what?

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                # of indigo girls concerts attended : 10

                # of people i know that think i am crazy to have seen 10 ig concerts  :
about everyone i know!  oh well, we can't all have good taste in music!!
jennifer

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well, i count 13... not a great many by some standards, but the 3 lilith fairs
in 1997 were seen within 4 days.  plus... i was at the hard rock taping!

babs

1) cleveland december 1992 (i think this was the last night of that tour.)
2) miami of ohio spring 1993 (duo)
3) radio city 1994 (duo)
4) msg 1997
5) taping for hard rock live 1997
6) lilith in cincinnati 1997
7) lilith in indianapolis 1997
8) lilith in columbus, oh 1997
9) the guinness fleadh (duo) 1998
10) lilith at jones beach (first night) 1998
11) newport folk fest 1998
12) beth. music fest 1998
13) sst in nyc 1998 (last night of tour)

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oh yes...defnitely check out gillian welch!!! she's one of my favorites.
she's very unique and "hell among the yearlings" is a very
stripped-down, mountain-music-tinged collection.  her other album,
"revival" is great too!

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i also want to wish all of you, my fellow listees, a safe, peaceful and
happy christmas, hanukkah, kwanza, solsitce...whichever tradition you
happen to observe.

i've met so many wonderful people, online and in person, and formed some
enduring friendships here over the past three years.

i am stranded here in tennessee due to the ice storm, and may not be
able to visit my folks in ky for christmas.  <keeping an eye on the
weather forecasts and the local road conditions...>  but, being stranded
at home gives me time to think about the things and the people that are
important to me.  my life has been made all the richer by being a part
of this list.

smiles, hugs, and hot chocolate,

joan :-d

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i have been to two ig concerts. i want to catch another show next year.
my grandparents come up tomorrow and on christmas we go to my aunts house
and for new years i have no plans yet.
as for goals  i want to get off to college good, control my anger even
more, update my web page and have fun. etc.

missy

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well...lets count 'em up...
my first was the mud island concert in memphis last october.
my second was in warrensburg, mo about 3 weeks later.
my third was in phoenix in february.
hmmm...thats only three.  i guess i'm relatively new.
but i don't think i'm doing bad at all for poor, 19 year old, part-time upser!
:)  hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday season!
gayla

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hello friends!

in the sprite of the season, what would you give/wish for amy and emily for
the holidays?

amy- i would wish for her the ability to relax. i have this feeling she is not
one to just take a few weeks and just do nothing. her gift would be the
illustrated alchemist: a fable about following your dream by paulo coelho.
(http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/006019250x/o/qid=914478435/sr=2-3/002-
7943417-9185434)

emily- my wish is for her to find a success in her restaurant ... that she
earns respect for putting together a wonderful product, not just because
people stop to look at her tending bar. and my gift would be sensible shoes
for her to schlep around watershed and for after work one of those foot bath
machines as well as a cozy pair of slippers.

and to all of you fellow list members, i wish for you good food, good friends,
and good music.  please enjoy this holiday weekend!

babs

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hi, everyone,
        just wanted to add my happy holiday wishes to all the others i've gotten.
        and may you all have a terrific new year.
take care,
deb

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hi everyone.  merry christmas!

does anyone know anything about this, vol 3 of the early releases?  when was
it put out, by whom, is it still available, etc. etc.?  i was browsin' the
tape traders page and noticed i'd somehow missed something.  am i living in
a vacuum?

come on, people!  it's the season of giving!  help me out, will ya?

thanks,
chris ii

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normally i don't jump onto threads like this, but i heard a song today
and it just screamed to me for ig to do a cover.  it's zucchero's "if not
tonight."  i can just feel amy's penetrating voice singing, "underneath
the stars / beneath a hangnail moon / sinking down into the sea / it's
not the time."  and emily's voice carrying us to the angels on the
chorus, "yeah yeah eee...if not tonight / will there ever be another
night ..... for there will never be a night if not tonight."  i think
that would be an exceptional song for them.

cheers,
l'sly

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okay, duh.  i sent this to the wrong address last time.  sorry.

>hey y'all.
>
>dixie chicks rule!
>
>i never buy cds on impulse, but this one i did.  it rocks!  go get it now!
>i was christmas shopping, as we procrastinators are wont to do 2 days
before
>the day, and i saw it in the little listening booth thingy, and since
>somebody on the list had mentioned, i gave it a hearing.  i bought it 5
>minutes later.  it rocks!!
>
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merry christmas!!!

to you.  yes, you.  i'm watching how the grinch stole christmas (which i
think is a faulty title since he doesn't *really* steal christmas, he just
attempts...but i digress).  christmas eve is here.  all is well.

i hope all is well with you and yours, as well.

again, merry christmas, and all that entails.

justin

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to everyone who was looking (or even to those who werent looking) here is a
site that has the tab to "lullaby" posted and a whole bunch of other new
songs...

http://freshtabs.hypermart.net/main.htm

peace
sasha

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hey y'all!

merry christmas!  and happy belated solstice and hanakuah!

a few days ago, someone posted about alternative country music.  well,
she's not exactly country, but she has a slight twang -- carrie newcomer!
oh, i love her music so much (right jill and anna?).  actuallly, recently
she has become one of my 3 faves (ig, dar, and carrie), so i would highly
reccommend her.

as far as my holiday plans go -- be at home!  i haven't been home
(chicago) since august since i was in paris for thanksgiving and colorado
for some random break and i probably won't be at home next christmas since
i'll be in japan.  so it is soooooooo nice finally seeing my family and
best friend again!  so, ummm...merry christmas (it is christmas already in
ohio and it's about to be christmas here in chicago, and it's been
christmas for a few hours over in france and spain (where i have good
friends) so merry christmas to everyone!)

love,
karen :-)

ps- my cousin sent me an article about emily's new restaurant.  she lives
in atlanta and i was supposed to go see her this break, but i want/need to
be at home!!!  :-)

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hey everyone!

just wanted to let you all know that the big bang cd truly is a great disk.
and.. if you happen to watch the video footage of the new mongrels.. i'm sure
you'll all have a new appreciation for the biore nose strips.. trust me..
<veg> (yes.. that means ig/amy content)

....i think i'll bag my trip for 2 and pack it in for decatur....

peace! indigo!
kathleen

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merry christmas to everyone who celebrates it!
as for my indigo concerts, it's been 10 so far.  five of them within one 12
month period:o)
1.  stanford university, tiny auditorum, december 1989
2.  four voices for human rights, berkeley (with joan baez and mary-chapin
carpenter) 1991?
3. greek theater, berkeley, august, 1992
4. greek theater, berkeley, july 1994
5.  greek theater, berkeley, july 1994 (the next day- total spur of the minute
trip, decided to go when the opener began, drove an hour, bought scalped
tickets.  joan played encore at this one)
6 & 7 greek theater, berkeley, july 5th and 6th 1997
8 warfield, sf january 1998
9 sacramento, january 1998 (the next day)
10 lilith fair, shoreline amphitheatre, mountain view, june 24th, 1998.

from here on out- i'm not missing any!
alison

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merry christmas to all!

our paper ran a picture yesterday of emily at her new restaurant, bussing
tables.  she's so cool.

for those who haven't seen it, i put it here:

http://www.amarillonet.com/ads/em.jpg

enjoy!

justin

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>the line, pain from pearls, i heard it is some sort of literary
allusion...to

i always linked it in my mind to the line, "how much have you
grown?"...the "pearls" being a grandmotherly sort wearing pearls,
pinching your cheek on that once a year trek to her house saying "oh,
look how much you've grown!" (which would, at least for me, make me
cringe and turn the other way)


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>she's not exactly country, but she has a slight twang -- carrie
newcomer!

woo-hoo!  i can't believe i didn't share this earlier, but my mom, when
i asked her a couple weeks ago what she'd really like for christmas,
said that she missed borrowing my cd's and wanted some of the music i
listened to!  so this morning, under the tree, she had the girls, and
carrie newcomer, and shawn colvin!  another convert!

peace and warmth to you all,
shel

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lessie...

1.  greek theater, berkeley (august. 1994)
2.  iu auditorium, bloomington, in (october, 1994)
3.  greek theater, berkeley (july, 1997 1st show)
4.  greek theater, berkeley (july, 1997 2nd show)
5.  warfield, san francisco (january 26, 1998)
6.  warfield, san francisco (january 27, 1998)
7.  park west, chicago sst (august 25, 1998)
8.  park west, chicago sst (august 26, 1998)
9.  bogart's, cincinatti sst (august 30, 1998)


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i'm on a search for the b/w picture of the ig guitars in a row (apparently
taken backstage).   i have seen it on various websites in the past, but of
course, now that i am looking for it i can't find it!   can someone send me
the link to a website that has it or a download of that pic?   it would be
greatly appreciated.

thanks,

lynn   :-)   <--------------wishing everyone a very merry christmas and a
happy new year.        <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">
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hey everyone.  hope you all are having a wonderful christmas...or holiday...
i was looking at my k's choice "paradise in me" cd that i got for myself a few
days ago and noticed that they thank the "girls" in their list of thank you's.
i am sure that most of you already knew this...but i was very excited and
thought i would share.
gayla

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hey y'all~
     let's see... the number of ig concerts i've been to... let's count
them... 1. uno. yup. that's a lot huh? not. anyways, this is the 25th of
december so i'm going to wish everyone (who celebrates it that is) a very
merry christmas! and also a happy new year (but that's still a few days away).
        i also wanted to bring up the holiday card exchange. some of the ones i was
exchanging cards with got really awesomely creative (like shelly and luna and
shoot... i forgot your names... sorry! but whoever was on the list with me,
alyssa, from nh you hopefully know who you are... ) you guys did an awesome
job with the cards! i got 10 cards out of the 16 other people on the list. how
did other people make out with the cards? let me know, i'm curious.
peace, love, indigo,
~alyssa

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ok, i admit it i have only been to 1 ig concert....sniff sniff....but look
forward to many more to come....happy holidays all......

anyone near lexington ky and up for a road trip i am thinking about
attending the nashville thing in feb.???   email me and let me know

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
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well, not to toot my own horn, but i am working on an afghan for amy as you
read...i wanted to give something back to her for all of the warmth that she
has given to all of us through her music so, now that i have the time to do
it, i am making one for her...if anyone has any suggestions as to where to
send it please let me know.....and no i have not forgotten emily, she will
get one too as soon as i find the right pattern....hmmm thinking granny
squares and strawberries...any suggestions?

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10...yeah, i've been to 10 ig shows....
gosh, i wish they were touring now...
love,
karen :-)

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just a post-xmas reminder:

doing anything next week?

cat power will be having a few shows.  please do go.
1/2 (sat) -new york - bowery ballroom
1/3 (sun)- seattle wa - crocodile
1/4 (mon)- san francisco - bottom of the hill

now maybe you're asking youself, *why* should i go?  just because some
dumb girl tells me to go?  oh nooo. no no no.  you, darling listee,
should go because:
a) chan marshall is really, *really* cute
b) she's from atlanta, and
c) has played the little five points circuit
d) her stuff is very personal, acoustic mellow stuff which i think you'd
like;
e) she's on a little indie label, so the shows are gonna be cheap.
(like under 10 bucks).
f) you can boot the shows for *me*! hee.
g) you know you want to go
h) you know i want you to go
i) the gods will smile upon you.  i bet chan will too.

this chicky is so amazing, can i repeat that?  she's amazing.  did you
know she wrote a whole album in one night?  she couldn't sleep and sat
up in bed and grabbed her guitar and these songs just flowed out of her.
and then a bit later, she was in australia and got a couple friends of
hers to play a little drum, a little flute, whatnot, to back her up. and
voila, she had her album moon pix (thanks to mel who sent me the article
where i got all this info from).  the poor little girl, she had such bad
stagefright, she used to perform with her back to the audience, or
standing sideways, she couldn't look at the people out there.  just raw
and emotional and scared as hell.  cute little thing.
folks, i urge you, nay, beg you, to go to
http://www.matador.recs.com/bios/bio_catpower.html#sound
and listen to "moonshiner" and then "say".  they're admittedly rather
sad, her other stuff isn't so dragging-the-river-y.  her sound reminds
me of rose polenzani.  i don't think they put her best stuff on that
site, but that's my own headtrip. (i'd advise waiting until later to
listen to "crossbones style," cause that's the single solitary song on
the album that is not all acoustic-y, and one fainthearted listee
listened to it and just about peed her folkie bell-bottomed hemp
pants)(which, i concede, may not be what she was wearing at the time,
but is what i would assume uber-folkies wear).
if you love *music*, you will dig this stuff.
if you love *ig only*, this will be a little different.  it's acoustic,
but not folk.  but i think you can take it on.  be brave.  it is sooo
nice.

ho ho oh.
jill

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hey!

anyone who has aol can vote for matthew shepard as aol's american of the
year.  voting is easy and it only takes a few seconds.  just go to the
"news" part on the first screen and you will find the place to vote over
there.  come on....we don't want kenneth starr to win...

:-) karen

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in a message dated 98-12-26 11:40:32 est, s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu
writes:

<<  just go to the
"news" part on the first screen and you will find the place to vote over
there. >>


????   i can't find the link to vote.   i went to the welcome screen of aol
and checked under the "news" section and the "aol today" section but couldn't
find the link.   could someone either send me the actual link or post it on
the mailing list for everyone with aol?

thanks,

lynn   :-)    <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">tahmehawk's
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hi kiddies!

merry whatever and all of that.

so i just called musicdrome in atlanta--they rule!!  they have it all!  they
hooked me up with devil's in my bones and the sys ep!  they also have, in
their very posession, yes it's true collectors of all stripes, the
following:

club r & r
in with the out crowd
reverse-1 live
history of us
complicated girls
poet's place (one i'd never heard of).

so call them now!  their number is:
770-449-4892

most of their bootleg cds are like 28 bucks.  go to!

chris ii

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i was able to tape the most recent episode
featuring amy and emily that aired on 12/25.

anyone who wants a copy just e-mail me
for details!

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print this and give to everyone who...
  (1) does public speaking on lesbian/gay issues
  (2) does counseling with young people

  psychiatrists condemn treatment to convert gays
  december 12, 1998
  web posted at: 1:50 a.m. edt (0550 gmt)

   denver (ap) -- the american psychiatric association's board voted
   unanimously friday to reject therapy aimed solely at turning gays into
   heterosexuals, saying it can cause depression, anxiety and
self-destructive
   behavior.

   "all the evidence would indicate this is the way people are born. we
treat
   disease, not the way people are," said dr. nada stotland, head of the
   association's joint committee on public affairs.

   "the very existence of therapy that is supposed to change people's
   sexuality, even for people who don't take it, is harmful because it
implies
   that they have a disease," said stotland, of rush medical college in
   chicago. "there is evidence that the belief itself can trigger
depression
   and anxiety."

   the american psychological association made a similar decision last
year.

   gay activists applauded the decision. proponents of converting gays said
the
   decision could deny patients the treatment they want.

   some fundamentalist christian religious groups attempt to persuade
   homosexuals to undergo treatment, sometimes called "reparative therapy,"
to
   convert to heterosexuality.

   focus on the family, the family research council and the christian
coalition
   began a national advertising campaign just before the killing of matthew
   shepard urging gays to convert.

   shepard, a 21-year-old gay university of wyoming student, died october
12
   after a severe beating in laramie, wyoming police believe he was attacked
in
   part because he was gay.

   asked whether efforts to convert gays could result in attacks like the
   killing of shepard, stotland said spreading the idea that homosexuality
is a
   disease or evil could make people "feel less inhibited about beating up
   gays, or not giving them jobs."

   stotland said during the psychiatric group's quarterly meeting that there
is
   no evidence that sexual orientation can be changed.

   john paulk, a specialist on homosexuality and gender for the colorado
   springs-based focus on the family, disagreed. he said there is no
evidence
   that homosexuality is "biologically predetermined."

   "this makes it more difficult for clients who want to be treated for
   unwanted homosexuality," paulk said. "furthermore no scientific study
has
   given conclusive evidence that homosexuality cannot be successfully
   treated."

   david smith, chief strategist for the human rights campaign, said, "we
   applaud ... the condemnation of this thoroughly discredited practice
that
   causes great harm to people who are gay but not yet comfortable with
their
   sexual orientation."


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> the line, pain from pearls, i heard it is some sort of literary
allusion...to
> what?

i always thought that it was pearl from "scarlet letter".

juliet ;-)

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> time: man of the year
>bill clinton and kenneth
> starr are time's 1998 men of the year.

even though matthew shephard got the most votes by far!!!!!  why did they
even bother putting up a vote at all?!!!!  those bastards make me sick; they
only follow the people's opinion if they agree with it.


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in a message dated 98-12-27 00:17:55 est, mememi@excite.com writes:

<< even though matthew shephard got the most votes by far!!!!!  why did they
even bother putting up a vote at all?!!!!  those bastards make me sick; they
only follow the people's opinion if they agree with it. >>

the voting is a sham.....time is in the business of selling magazines and
advertising, not social consciousness.....the voting is mere hype to promote
the sales of the "man of the year" issue.....it's all about money......

peace,
tim

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subject:      your where were you...? stories...

hi all!

thanks to everyone who sent me their where were you stories:-))!

i haven't had the time to update my ig pages lately, so your stories
aren't up there yet for everyone to skim through...
i will do a huge bunch of website updating soon though, when i have
my new bigger, better, faster, cooler pc;-) set up and running.
so, i will post again when all of your contributions are uploaded.
thx again for participating:). and to everyone who has no idea what
this post is all about: the where were you thread is like the island
discs thread;) a recurring thingy around here, which has everyone
telling their story of getting into ig's music, how their
obsession/passion for ig began, either way back when or just the
other day, doesn't matter:).

every story that gets posted to the list will end up on my page (if
you for some reason don't want your story up there, let me know)you
can also submit your stories directly via the webpage or just mail
'em to me.

oh and merry x-mas all:))!!


peace
and
take care,
kathrin

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in a message dated 98-12-27 12:52:36 est, kathrin.siegmund@stud.uni-
hannover.de writes:

<< and to everyone who has no idea what
this post is all about: the where were you thread is like the island
discs thread;) a recurring thingy around here, which has everyone
telling their story of getting into ig's music, how their
obsession/passion for ig began, either way back when or just the
other day, doesn't matter:). >>

i was browsing through the music videos in a local record store and i was
intrigued by the uptown lounge video.....i have extremely broad tastes in
music, but i have a particular love for great lyrics and harmonies.....the
second time i held the video in my hands, an ig song came on the store sound
system....it might have been "tried to be true" or "left me a fool".....for
some reason, i knew it had to be the girls....

i checked through the cd bins and ended up leaving the store with both
"strange fire" and "indigo girls" as well as the video.....my life as never
been the same.....

peace,
tim

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hey,
        i got a few of my boots from there...and they aren't official
copies...they're on gold discs, with fake inserts as well. i wouldn't spend
too much money on stuff from there...unless you're satisfied with
unofficial boots. they kind of make me mad 'cause they make "bootlegs of
bootlegs" and sell them. just wanted to let ya know.

                                                                -heather

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well, let's see.  i've posted this before, but it's been a few years.

it was late 1991.  i was at the fabulous raspberry records in slc, utah,
looking for a pat benatar (rock bitch extraordinaire) album, and on my way
out, i glanced through the (gasp!) bargain bin.  there was the self-titled.
i thought to myself, hmm.  i like that closer to fine song i hear on the
radio, it's only a few bucks, and pat's on sale, so what the hell, i'll give
it a shot.  i went home, one listen to "secure yourself," and i was hooked.
i went back the next day and bought sf and nis.  i'm proud to say i
purchased rop, so, and sots on the very day they were released.  i've been
somewhat of a freak since then...  many of my friends mock me, they don't
understand.  intimate strangers.  whatever.

i've also been on the list off and on since fall of 1995!  three years and
counting.  member those days of moo and grapenuts, kids?  many months before
our fall from grace of late...  since then i've traded for over 120
bootlegs, started several newbies on their quest for boots, booted one show
myself (i suck at it, sorry,) and gotten a hold of many rare releases.  not
to mention meeting several fab folks and turning my ig friendly friends on
to the list!  thanks y'all.  i'm getting all teary...

cheers!
chris ii

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sorry for the wasted bandwidth, but i deleted the address to see the cute em
photo at watershed that justin posted - could you send it to me privately.
thanks a lot.

leslie

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hey!  some of you asked where you could find the thing on aol to vote for
american of the year.  just go to keyword "american of the year" and you
can vote right there.
:-) karen

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sorry to post this to the list.  if you sent me apple butter or a tape in a
cute little cassette mailing case in exchange for the eddie's attic
11/18/98 boot, please email me.  i seem to have lost your names and
addresses.  thanks and sorry for the mixup.
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in a message dated 12/26/98 4:32:45 pm central standard time,
talbotc@umich.edu writes:

<< poet's place (one i'd never heard of). >>

anybody have any info on this disc?

thanks,

pam

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it was the summer of '96.  i was 14 years old, and had finally made it to
upper senior line from that first fateful year on junior line. (see, can you
sense the drama?)  i was sort of depressed, and rest hour presented me with an
entire hour to wallow in self-doubt.  so there i was, flipping through my cds,
trying to find something to listen to.  suddenly, i didn't want to hear
nirvana.  i didn't want hole.  i was sick of pearl jam.  so i settled on the
boys on the side sndtrk.  however, i kept skipping over all the tracks --
until i hit power o' two.  i knew what i had to do.
i asked to go to the bathroom, and essentially sprinted over to sub-senior
line.  i burst in to cabin five, asked my friend esra (the counselor) if i
could borrow her indigo girls tape, and then ran with it back to my cabin.
three weeks later, i returned home.  within 24 hours, i could play closer to
fine on the guitar.  within 48, i owned my own copy of ig, and also sprung for
rop.  i joined this list, got some boots . . .
aw well, the rest is history! =)

~ elizabeth

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helllllllloooooooooo out there.........

hkf's,

i was just wonderin' if anyone would kindly share their review from last
night at eddie's...?!!!  my plane from home was delayed and i couldn't make it
back in time... 8-(  [awwww, that's horrible].
so let me know how the fabuloso trio of amy, michelle & danielle were!!!!!

please help meeeeeeeeeee!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<breath in, breath out......>

thank you for your time...
mike "ig-less in atlanta" (yes, it's possible - instead of my glucose level
dropping - it's my ig-level bottoming out!!! - medic!!!!) 8-)

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hey all.  hope your holidays are going fine.

last night's writer's night shows were great.  both were better than the
ones back in november, especially the second show.  both shows sold out
but the demand for shawn mullins the night before was apparently much
greater (200 people lined up outside who couldn't get in).

this time it was only three performers (amy, danielle howle and michelle
malone) instead of two, so we got more songs out of each one: 6 rounds
each in the first show, and maybe 6 each in the second show, but they
broke form at one point (see below).

i didn't specific write down all the songs that michelle and danielle
did (maybe somebody else can help out with that).  michelle did almost
all new stuff.  one song called "avalon" she did in both shows.  it
seemed to be about watching tv and how she missed an old tv show (soap
opera?) called "avalon".  she did one about her old apartment which was
pretty good.  i generally liked her song selection better in the second
show than in the first show.

danielle was her usual funny, quirky self.  she was talking about her
christmas and how she has these relatives that she only sees once a year
and she'll tell them about something new she's thinking about doing
(turning a barn into a guest house, starting up bee-keeping) and they'll
say, "that sounds good.  i think i'll do that, too" and she'd get mad
that they were just copying her and couldn't think of things on their
own.  then she did some christmas song that was funny enough but
basically seemed to be slamming people who hardly get to see her and
were only trying to come up with ways to spend time with her.

the difference between these three artists was very apparent.  all three
have excellent voices and michelle's a great guitarist.  but it's the
lyrics that separate them.  michelle's songs were kind of about mundane
topics and generic love/relationship issues.  danielle's songs are all
funny -- she even did a song that had the line "everything i do is to
make you laugh" -- and even if the lyrics aren't specifically funny, her
delivery is (the way she pauses and her use of rhythm).  neither
danielle or michelle write in a style that does justice to their voices,
though.  i always want to hear danielle do a whole show of country
covers just to showcase how full her voice is.  meanwhile, amy's songs
are about death row inmates, radiation sickness, sexual identity, etc.
she's in another class from them as far as her subject matter, and her
songs and delivery are simple enough to display her voice really well
also.

so in the first show, amy did these songs:

gone again
faye tucker - sounded great.  i'd only heard this live once, back at
music midtown.  it was much better in this intimate setting.
oh, osalyn (sp?) - i really like this one a lot.  it's maybe the most
purely "folk" song she's written.
little darling - outstanding
go
sister - still the best of the new stuff in my book.  i just love the
slow descend into the chorus.

for the second (21 & over) show, the crowd was quite a bit noisier
during the whole set.  the first crowd was wonderfully quiet throughout,
which helped the delivery of the songs.  for the second show, there was
lots of talking (especially whenever danielle was up) which was the only
the downside.  michelle did one song in particular that was excellent
but i can't remember the title.  danielle went into this riff about
eating slim jims which was funny enough but she wouldn't let go of it
until she made her point (which i forget).

amy's songs for the second set were:

gone again
the boys just laugh - i could've sworn that ... oh, never mind.
oh, osalyn - michelle did a very nice bottom guitar part on this one
that i hope makes it onto the recorded version.
go - amy improvised a new ending with it.  (speaking of improvising
endings, whatever happened to chris mcguire?  i sure do miss being able
to see her perform.)
?me and my baby? - this was a new song i've never heard or heard tell
of.  it was a very tender description of living with somebody ("i watch
you comb your hair in the mirror").  it was one of those personal songs
that amy sings real slow and quiet.  it got to her so much that she
stopped in the middle of it and said, "i can't get through that."  i've
never seen her do that before.  it was pretty stunning.  she switched
and said "let's do a breakup song instead" and went into:
moment of forgiveness
at this point, they broke the round robin format.  i think stopping in
the middle of that song threw amy.  she said, "let's just make up a
song" and she went into a song that clearly wasn't made up on the spot
but was maybe unfnished:
?i've been sleeping on the mountain top/have you been lonely? - i'd
never heard this one, either.  it was very upbeat and sounded pretty
good, actually.  it's part of this new pure folky style she's developing
(gone again, oh osalyn, and even parts of go).  she's got the older
"pure amy" murky style still (sister, the boys just laugh, the older
bits of go).  the new style may be associated with stuff she writes on
the mandolin.
at this point, there was a wonderful surprise special guest: kristen
hall.  i wasn't ever all that much of a fan of hers when she was around
all the time, but now that she's moved away to los angeles, it was
really quite a treat to see her perform.  she led them (all together)
on:
let it rain and then kristen and michelle did a great version of:
?head in the clouds/long way down? - (sorry, i don't know the names of
her songs.)  then kristen went back into the audience and they did
another round of songs.  amy did:
sister
and they all (with kristen back up on stage and leading them) closed
with:
southern man

really an outstanding night of music, especially with the energy in the
room when kristen came on stage.

i hung around and spoke to amy briefly.  i asked her, with all the new
material (she did 10 different post-shaming songs on the night), when
they'd be recording again.  she actually gave me a specific answer, but
i wasn't paying attention.  (i was too busy trying to remember how to
breathe.  i've spoken to her lots of times over the years but it's been
a while and i'm still quite nervous in her presence.)  she did say that
both she _and_emily_ had lots of new songs (so there goes our "writer's
block" interpretation of "soon be to nothing"), so much so that they
might have to do a double album.

great night.

later,

ron

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     alrihgty, i've been thinking about this for quite some time now and i am
*hoping* that someone on this list will have something that resembles an
answer...
     ok, a friend of mine told me that being gay is *just* in your head.
something that you make up and something that you control. like she siad that
if you want to be gay you just say oh i think i'll be gay now and there you
are. i'm not entirely sure what makes up this whole sexual orientation thing.
is it *just* in your head or is it something beyond your control? i hope
someone out there has something that is kind of like an answer... a theory
would do fine too. i just would like to see other people's opinions on this.
peace,
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on mon, 28 dec 1998 15:30:08 est, alyssa roberge wrote:

>      alrihgty, i've been thinking about this for quite some time now and i
am
> *hoping* that someone on this list will have something that resembles an
> answer...
>      ok, a friend of mine told me that being gay is *just* in your head.
> something that you make up and something that you control. like she siad
that
> if you want to be gay you just say oh i think i'll be gay now and there
you
> are. i'm not entirely sure what makes up this whole sexual orientation
thing.
> is it *just* in your head or is it something beyond your control? i hope
> someone out there has something that is kind of like an answer... a
theory
> would do fine too. i just would like to see other people's opinions on
this.
> peace,
> ~alyssa

ok, let's start with the basics. (gay activists to the rescue!)  there are
three aspects of sexuality: orientation, identity and behavior.

orientation is what you are.  it's the people you like.  if you like either
sex, you are gay or straight, if you like both, you are bisexual.  this is
not changeable.  trust me.  as a lesbian, i know.  why would anyone choose
to be hated by their parents, friends, peers and church leaders?  why would
anyone choose to be something they can be fired from a job for?  why would
they choose to not be able to marry the person they love?

identity is how you identify.  i have a friend for example, who identifies
as a lesbian even though she has told me that she is probably bisexual with
a strong leaning towards women.  i myself would probably more accurately
identify as bi with a strong leaning towards lesbianism, as i have found
several guys sexually attractive, but since the women have by far
outnumbered the men, and i have felt no emotional attraction whatsoever
towards any guy, i just call myself a lesbian.

behavior is what you do.  a lesbian could get married, have sex with her
husband and have tons of kids, would this stop her from being a lesbian?
no.  at heart, her attraction toward women would remain.  she would always
feel a void in her life.

is your sexuality *just* in your head?

it is very possible (and there had been some scientific evidence that
suggests) that your brain controls aspects of your sexuality.  is it  *just*
in your head?  i seroiusly doubt it.

can you choose your sexuality?

no.  why would anybody choose to be so hated?

julie

p.s.  feel free to email me if you have any more related questions.


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does anyone have a bootleg of the show that took place on december 27th?
please?!!!!

my 18th birthday was on the 27th and i sat around and thought about that
damn concert all day.  as i live in chicago and do not have a car, i had no
way to get to this concert.

please please please!!!!!

julie libes ;-)

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hi kids-

here's my 2 cents on the "sexuality:  born or chosen" debate.  firstly, my
own experience is that i was not born gay.  i did not grow up gay.  i did
not grow up with a sense of myself as somehow sexually "different" from
other people.  neither, however, was i "made" gay.  it is not the result of
one or a series of traumatic experiences that made me into a lesbian.  i do,
however, feel as though i chose to be gay.  it happens to be the case that
the persons with whom i experience intimacy have historically been women,
and it happens to be the case that i enjoy sleeping solely with persons with
whom i experience itimacy.

it is the case that i experience certain kinds of hatred, homophobia,
whatever because i have chosen to be gay, to identify as a lesbian, and to
have sexual experiences with women.  but regardless, i experience it as a
choice.

otoh, i do understand quite well that many people feel that they were "born"
gay, have a sense of a historical gay identity (i.e. knew they were gay when
they were, like, 5), and did not choose to be gay.  many people i know feel
as though they were "born" gay, and they had no say in it whatsoever.
that's their experience, it's absolutely valid, and absolutely true.

but more to the point, i think that as long as gay politics focuses so much
on the "born/chosen" debate, we won't get anywhere at all.  i frankly don't
understand why it matters why we are gay.  if we're gay because of biology,
so what?  if we're gay because we made a choice, so what?  if we're gay
because we had traumatic experiences as a child, so what?  all three of
those reasons are equally valid reasons to be gay, and as long as we insist
that we are "born" gay, we invalidate the experiences of those not "born"
gay, and excise them from our identity, and our movement.  it's as if
"chosen" homosexuals are not "real" homosexuals, and i think it posits a
real us/them divide.

secondly, what does it matter if homosexuals can or cannot change their
orientation and/or identification and/or sexual behavior?  the whole point
of the movement is that it's okay to be gay.  if we insist we were "born"
with it, that indicates that it's some kind of biological fact of our lives,
which for some it is, but that for whatever reason, "chosing" to be gay is
somehow less valid.  my point is that as i see it, the whole debate is a
moot one.  it's okay to be gay for *whatever* reason, because you were born
that way, because you were raped as a child, because you happen to
experience intimacy with persons of the same gender, because your mother is
gay and you like her sense of fashion, because your ex-boyfriend was
straight and he was an asshole, because you're a radical lesbian separatist
feminism.  the fact of getting to or coming to gayness isn't the issue,
here.  in my opinion, it's origins matter much less than the fact of it's
reality as an experience, as a way to be in the world.  the point of the
movement, i think, is that it's okay to be gay or bi or omni or whatever, no
matter how you got there.  i wonder if the persistence of concern about
origins isn't counterproductive...

man, i can ramble on, can't i??  if you have responses, please use private
email.
yours in solidarity,
chris ii

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date:         mon, 28 dec 1998 18:39:23 est
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in a message dated 98-12-28 15:32:37 est, crz4indigo@aol.com writes:

<< is it *just* in your head or is it something beyond your control? >>


i believe that just like every other part of your being, your gene's decide
your sexuality before birth.
everyone has their own opinion on this subject, so you have to decide for
yourself what you believe.  to each their own.

lynn   :-)      <a href="http://members.aol.com/tahmehawk/home.html">
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date:         mon, 28 dec 1998 18:41:28 -0500
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chris talbot wrote:
>
> but more to the point, i think that as long as gay politics focuses so much
> on the "born/chosen" debate, we won't get anywhere at all.

i frankly don't
> understand why it matters why we are gay.  if we're gay because of biology,
> so what?  if we're gay because we made a choice, so what?

-----------------------------------------

you make a good argument.  i think it matters not that people see
same sex orientation as biology or a choice, but ultimately as something
that is not undesireable.  unfortunately, the "choice" argument is so
very often used against the gay community to justify homophobic
irrationalities, i.e. if you choose to be gay, then you can choose not
to be gay etc. etc. and all the rest of that anti-gay crap - i hate you
because you "choose" to be something different - you can certainly do
something about it.  change that "gay" behavior and conform, dammit!  be
like all the rest of us "non-gay" people!  otherwise, suffer the
consequences. yadda yadda yadda.

but i think i know what you are saying - i think you're asking why
should people harbor ill feelings toward you because of your
differences?  i don't know why.  because some people are assholes?

but i'm getting off subject, aren't i?

elaine

if we're gay
> because we had traumatic experiences as a child, so what?  all three of
> those reasons are equally valid reasons to be gay, and as long as we insist
> that we are "born" gay, we invalidate the experiences of those not "born"
> gay, and excise them from our identity, and our movement.  it's as if
> "chosen" homosexuals are not "real" homosexuals, and i think it posits a
> real us/them divide.
>
> secondly, what does it matter if homosexuals can or cannot change their
> orientation and/or identification and/or sexual behavior?  the whole point
> of the movement is that it's okay to be gay.  if we insist we were "born"
> with it, that indicates that it's some kind of biological fact of our lives,
> which for some it is, but that for whatever reason, "chosing" to be gay is
> somehow less valid.  my point is that as i see it, the whole debate is a
> moot one.  it's okay to be gay for *whatever* reason, because you were born
> that way

because you were raped as a child, because you happen to
> experience intimacy with persons of the same gender, because your mother is
> gay and you like her sense of fashion, because your ex-boyfriend was
> straight and he was an asshole, because you're a radical lesbian separatist
> feminism.  the fact of getting to or coming to gayness isn't the issue,
> here.  in my opinion, it's origins matter much less than the fact of it's
> reality as an experience, as a way to be in the world.  the point of the
> movement, i think, is that it's okay to be gay or bi or omni or whatever, no
> matter how you got there.  i wonder if the persistence of concern about
> origins isn't counterproductive...
>
> man, i can ramble on, can't i??  if you have responses, please use private
> email.
> yours in solidarity,
> chris ii
>
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who has a good copy of the eddies attic show last nite? i would love to
have a boot of it.  i can make a cass. label with pics and all!  let
meknow.  sara62@hotmail.comsara ;->


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date:         mon, 28 dec 1998 17:44:21 est
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<< one song called "avalon" she did in both shows.  it
seemed to be about watching tv and how she missed an old tv show (soap
opera?) called "avalon" >>

this great show was back in the early 90's.  it was set in post w.w.ii
baltimore, and i think it was produced by the folks who make homicide.  it was
not a soap really, just a good clean prime-time drama.

it was a great show ... very funny and very well acted.

not like anyone really cares.....

:-)  babs

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subject:      nigc...the whole sexuality thang :)
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from: babyindigo@aol.com
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well here's my lil theory...call it a jenism if you must :)
i am female and have absolutely no attraction to the male gender...ever since
i was little my mother and father always said that i followed lil grrls around
and always tried to impress them while on the other hand...i was a huge
tomboy...i had a crush on punky brewster..i never played with dolls...always
put them on the shelf....as i grew older i was finding that i was attracted to
one of my good female friends (who still confuses me to this day) and that my
best friend was a boy (greg and he's such a sweety ) i tell greg that he's
everything i would want in a woman as far as characteristics go...but i am not
attracted to him...now if this is all *just* in my head--tell me...where does
a five year old get these ideas...i was never exposed to lesbianism until my
teenage years when i went out to find out more stuff and information on my
"culture"/who i am---

so here i am--at 18--almost 19 years of age....i have an awesome relationship
with a woman---and i still have greg as my best friend...he admitted his crush
on me, but understood when i explained all of this to him using role
reversal...i have never been attracted physically to any man...that is where
everything is separated as far as "sexuality" goes...it's where the emotional
& mental & characteristical attraction ends and the physical attraction
begins--

that's my lil shipeel :)

later
-jen-

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date:         mon, 28 dec 1998 21:53:08 -0500
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ok,
i will try to address this.....
    now myself, i do identify myself as a lesbian, but i do not feel in
anyway that it was a choice that i made...i spent a lot of time in high
school wondering why i didn't like boys the way that my friends seemed
to....and instead of having a supportive environment to explore these
feelings i  was stuck in eastern kentucky with no access to the information
that is available to the teens of today.  so, i pushed those feelings down
inside of myself and tried to fit in.....it took me years and several very
disappointing relationships to finally discover that i was normal for not
enjoying being with men.
    after i began this journey of self discovery, i found a happy, wonderful
person just waiting to be set free....i look back on it now and can see
myself being jealous over my "best" friends doing things with other people
and can remember feeling sexually attracted to some of them as well....the
only thing was i didn't know what it meant back then to even be sexually
attracted to someone....so, in short, i don't feel that i decided to be gay,
it wasn't that i didn't find the right man, i just prefer to spend my life
with a woman.   i was born this way and will be this way until i die....i
hope this answers your question.....
    also, just a silly question, but why is it that two women being together
is more acceptable than two men in our society??? i know it is a
generalization, but it does seem to be the more accepted form of
homosexuality....any comments or question??? please email me privately i
have wasted enough space on the list with this answer, but i felt the need
to put in my two cents worth.

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peace love and light

beccie lyon
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"i'm going to love you good and strong while our love is good and young"
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sorry to do this again but i have to add this to the discussion.....
my best friend and my only confidant during my coming out period, once said
this to me and i think that it goes for more than just sexuality....
"you have to be able to sit down in front of a mirror and take a look at
yourself, and say 'i am gay' or i am straight' or 'i am bi-sexual' what ever
you identify with and be comfortable with that and be comfortable with
yourself"   i think this is what it all boils down to.....  when you learn
to love yourself......sound familiar?????

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peace love and light

beccie lyon
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"i'm going to love you good and strong while our love is good and young"
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hi,
        well i just wanted to add my two cents to the question is it more acceptable
in our society for two women to be together over two men.  i would have to say
that i think this is true.  i think part of it is that well, women are just
cooler so wouldn't it make more sense for a guy to be with a women.

:)- karrie

"you gotta learn to respect what you don't understand" indigo girls (who else
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kara:

for some reason, aol deleted the mail that you sent me telling me what boots
you want me to dub for you......you sent me the rem and the free to be
cds.......
lauren

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