lifeblood: listlogs: 1999-03e


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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 16:39:26 -0800
reply-to:     elizabeth white <eaw@wenet.net>
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hi everyone!

first off, i'm new to this list and would like to introduce myself to
you.  i'm a singer/songwriter in california, with my first independent

cd out.  some of you might already know me, but if you don't, i'd like

to invite you to follow the link below to come here some new music!
the ig content here would be that i've been huge fan since '89, and
they were and are very influential.

now, to the question regarding melissa etheridge... according to the
resident gurus on the melissa list, the airing of her intimate
portrait has been rescheduled for sometime in september.  hope that
helps.

peace,
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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 19:07:46 -0600
reply-to:     the analog kid <dragonjen@spydee.net>
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mine would definitely be blood and fire... i first heard it during a
time of turmoil when i was really hurting after a breakup and was
entertaining thoughts of suicide and had begun experimenting with
self-inflicted pain via sharp instruments... ("i have spent nights with
matches and knives").  anyway i realized that if amy felt that way and
she got through it (this was sometime just after swamp o came out), then
maybe i could get through it too.  and here i am, not necessarily happy
and healthy but i've given up playing with sharp things and acquiring
scars.

shannon wrote:
>
let's discuss the
> ig song that, when you first heard it, immediately reminded you of some
> incident in your life, good or bad, and why, and all that fun stuff...
>
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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 18:14:39 -0800
reply-to:     diana <diana128@yahoo.com>
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i am a fairly new list memeber and i don't post much,
but i can comment on this one:

my friend used to play some ig songs on her guitar and
we would sing along.  i, of course, would be emily, and
she would be amy with her low, raw voice.  we would
spend friday nights sitting on the floor in her room
with all the songbooks and we would just sing.  and
sometimes we would perform for whoever was downstairs.
well now she goes to a boarding school and we haven't
jammed in years.  and still everytime i hear ghost and
joking (our favs) i think of playing in her room.
ahhhh, the memories.  well that is enough of my
rambling.  i'm interested to hear the stories of
others...


-di
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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 22:14:13 -0500
reply-to:     "karen \"chatelet\" raa" <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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shannon and all,

yes, i do miss those days also.  do you remember (and whoever wrote this,
if you're still on the list, e-mail me!!!  this cracks me up!) during the
mister limes thread someone wrote that in power of two, she thought that
they were singing "a tuchus for better, and a tuchus for worse"?  go
yiddish!

anyway, i wish i had saved some of the older posts.

:-) karen

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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 22:20:33 -0500
reply-to:     shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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that tuckas thing cracked me the hell up--i still think of that everytime i
hear that song! :)

hey...many moons ago, another listee and i were gathering up all of the
misheard lines, and i still have a lot of them.  if you folks are
interested, i could compile them and post them to the list, or to interested
patrons :)

let me know!

shannon

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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 22:26:53 -0500
reply-to:     "karen \"chatelet\" raa" <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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from:         "karen \"chatelet\" raa" <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
subject:      re: old list moments
x-to:         shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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on sun, 28 mar 1999, shannon wrote:

> that tuckas thing cracked me the hell up--i still think of that everytime i
> hear that song! :)
>
me too!  and as most (especially older) listees know, that is my fave ig
song!  i think one of my fave old list moments was when i finally heard
po2 live (remember, it took me like 10 shows to hear it!  they played it
at all their shows -- just not the ones i was at!) at the kentucky show.
anyway, i was so estatic, i posted to the list!  i must've gotten like 10
personal responses from people just saying "congrats."

or another fave old list moment (now i am rambling), i am sure many of you
will remember this.  last year, first semester, i had this asshole,
homophobic professor.  one day in class, he just went off on gays and
lesbians.  i posted to the list because i was soooo upset and pissed off.
i got over 100 responses (i saved them all, by the way) from people to
offer me advice, or just show support.  that helped a lot.

:-) karen

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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 20:43:43 -0700
reply-to:     diana c rodriguez <dcr@u.arizona.edu>
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can anyone send me info about the benefit that the girls are going to be
doing at the beginning of the april.  i realize this is really vague but
it's all i remember.  i just found out i'm going to the midwest (wasn't it
in tennesse?) for a few days the first week of april (isn't it on the
8th?)  maybe i'm completely mistaken but anyway, if someone can help me
i'd be grateful.  thanks!!  christy

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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 19:44:34 pst
reply-to:     tricia juettemeyer <tjuett@hotmail.com>
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so i had just gotten a friend to tape rites of passage for me, i took
the tape to europe with me summer of 95.  i was riding in a bus along
the meditrannean coast on my way from france to italy... and ghost
starts playing on the tape. and now, for some strange reason every time
i hear ghost i experience this incredible visceral memory, i remember
every moment of that song on the bus, the way the air vent was hitting
me, the sun cmoing through the window the tunnels we drove under, what i
was seeing out my window- it's a strange and melancholy feeling every
time, like it's something i've lost but the memory is trapped... odd.
tricia
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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 19:46:03 pst
reply-to:     tricia juettemeyer <tjuett@hotmail.com>
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and may i agree that the mr. limes thread was hi-larious... i would love
to hear more of those, i've honestly laughed so hard at some of those
i've cried... hee.
tricia
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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 22:49:24 est
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hey y'all~
        i just had some major random thoughts (ah what's new? my whole life is
random)... has anyone else noticed the girls have become major wickedly
popular and the fan circle is getting wider by like the second? but then on
the other hand when i mention someone like dar only like 3 people in my whole
school actually know who she is. everyone in shs knows who the indigo girls
are and have heard them and the majority actually like them... hmm... maybe
i'm just overly tired and i need to babble about something to someone and the
list is just here? or maybe for one time in my life i actually have a point?
that would be something to make history of. anyways, i went off on a wicked
tangent there. sorry for the waste of bandwidth, just had to babble. later.
hope y'all are still awake.
peace,
the queen rambler herself,
~alyssa

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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 22:53:35 est
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y'all should definitely re-post more, as many as you can find, of those
hilarious mister limes!
my lesband of 12 years, clare (in case anyone hasn't heard about her...) is
quite the wit, especially when she's confronted with something emotionally
intense that she doesn't want to deal with.  i'll be all into a song, getting
introspective, and she'll go and blow the moment for me... in "hand-me-downs"
she swore she'd never be my dinner...    in "let it be me" she informed me
musically that she had to pee...   oh, the terrible things she did to "ghost":
declared that she was in love with donny most,   said she was nipping at my
heels ... and she added personalities to the line: "i'm forever under (john)
(l)ock(e) and (francis scott) (k)ey...   and to my favorite song of all,
"world falls" she wished that she was a snowman, and indian and a saint, as
the squirrel falls on me with dreams of immorality....   disregarded my pain
as she declared that i was "only choking..."   shall we invent some crime of
heresy for which to try her?  i'll prosecute...
freida

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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 22:59:08 est
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in response to shannon's nice long (i miss that too!) post, i must say...
        i too miss the good ol' days when i'd read that stuff! (man, we need a new
album to gush over!) for a while i was just an observer and not a poster but
then i caught the "post to the ig list and babble your brains out" fever and
i've been posting ever since. anyhoo... about this new thread... hmm...
        the song(s) that remind me of time(s) are...
"love will come to you." this particular song reminds me of a buncha times...
but particularly one... it was the last dance of my 8th grade year (long time
ago) and i was crying because i didn't have a boyfriend... and i mean crying
through the entire dance. my friend turned to me and said, "lyss, you are
beautiful! really! don't ever think otherwise!" that was the first time in a
long time anyone had ever said that to me... during 8th grade i was going
through a severe depression and literally had one friend. anyways...
        another song is "watershed"... i keep thinking of the line "when you're
learning to face the path at yor pace every choice is worth your while." and i
just think of how many choices i'd neglected to act *cool* or to do the
*right* thing totally not knowing i'd regret not doing something later on. you
know how that works?
        anyways, off my soapbox now. somebody else's turn to gush.
peace y'all,
~alyssa

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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 22:04:27 -0600
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i just thought i'd let everyone know that there is still a place where
the spirit of the old ig list still exists.  "babble-your-brains-out"
posts and marginally-related, totally "whacked-out" threads are welcome
at the other ig list - indigogirls@egroups.com

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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 20:16:45 pst
reply-to:     diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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hi indiglow people!

yes, i've had a slow-going weekend, that's why i'm posting so much. :)

before i ever heard "you and me of the 10,000 wars", i wrote something
in my journal about how i force this equation:
1 + 1 = 3, when i am not even able to believe that 1 + 0 = 1.
(in a church wedding, lighting the unity candle used to mean that the
couple would light the candle in the middle and blow out the one they
were holding.  nowadays, in my denomination, we keep both the unity
candle and the side candles lit--representing god and the couple.)

anyway, i was in a low self-esteem mode that night, and then this
happens:
"this morning i woke up in bright light.  it was 3:48.  i brought my
laundry upstairs and put more in the dryer.  played a few songs from
swamp ophelia and attempted to fall asleep.  i realized many parts of my
body were tense.  tossing and turning it was impossible to find a
comfortable position.  so i read a little, then lit three candles,
turned on the light, let emily and amy do their thing--i folded my
laundry.

"the first bill i found was five dollars--that was when i pulled the
clothes out.  a few pieces later, a one-dollar bill.  i honestly hoped
for a twenty.  folded a few more clothes then a five, and later, another
five.  so, a total of sixteen dollars.  is that sweeter than getting a
twenty all at once?  in some ways, it is.  little gratifications,
instead of a big huge hooplah."

anyway, with the song, uamot10kw, the lyrics that usually hit home are:
"and oh the dissatisfied with the satisfied
everybody loves a melodrama and the scandal of a lie
still you held your arms open
for the prodigal daughter...

after the battles and we're still around
everything once up in the air has settled down
sweep the ashes let the silence find us
a moment of peace is worth every war behind us
you and me of the 10,000 wars" - e. saliers

my cousin went through a scandal in college, and i ended up being
mediator between her and the rest of my extended family (even my mom).
and, since i am too close to my extended family, or enmeshed, i'm
looking forward to moving to pennsylvania this summer to be my own self
and start a new job.  i've felt very much like a prodigal daughter--even
though i haven't rebelled that much, comparatively speaking.

so, what's the most money you've found in your laundry basket?

chuckles and hugs,
diane


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date:         sun, 28 mar 1999 23:51:20 -0500
reply-to:     shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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salutations (that reminds me--gotta find time this summer to reread
"charlotte's web."  a good children's book is just what i'll need after
graduation...)!

at the request of several, i've decided to go ahead and post the misheard
lines (aka: mister limes) and all of the puns that i have saved.  however,
since i'm a college senior with a schedule waaay past insanity, i'm gonna
have to start tomorrow.  so look for the misheard lines tomorrow, and the
puns/other interesting stuff sometime this week.

word up! :)  (i'm really *trying* to be a flygirl, but somehow i don't think
it's working...)  anyway, thanks for all the responses to my post--some
really good stories.  keep 'em coming! :)

shannon
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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 00:24:00 -0500
reply-to:     shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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okay, i swear to god this is my last post of the evening!

i just happened to think, though, that if any of you have any more of these
things (ie: misheard lyrics, puns or indigo classified ads), you might as
well send them to me so that i can add them to the lists of stuff and they
can be truly comprehensive.   here's what i'm looking for:

1. any misheard ig lyrics--that is, any lyrics that you thought were one
thing, but turned out to be something completely different.  any little
anecdotes to go along with them are welcome. example: "the same sun that
warms your heart will suck that gutter dry," get out the map. (courtesy of
just about everyone :) )

2. indigo puns.  what these constitute is somewhat vague, but here's an
example:
**emily goes to rent a house.  when she gets back, suzanne calls from boston
and asks her, "was the lease complicated?" (courtesy of our own sherlyn koo)

3. indigo classified ads. here's an example: "have you seen me?  missing:
joni.  last known location: south africa.  if you have any information
please call." - get out the map (courtesy of rick hodgin)

4. alternate song titles--titles that you thought were correct, but ended up
being wrong. example: "clean-slated" vs. "least complicated" (courtesy of
anna).

okey-doke.  send them, one and all, to me at this address, and i promise to
get them out by this coming thursday.  that way, all the digest peoples and
everyone can have the chance to send their stuff in.  thanks for being
patient with me, y'all--i'm procrastinating as hard as i can... ;)

good night for real... ;)

shannon

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the one where you listen to a song and it's like...yes.  that's it.  i now
feel that about blood and fire, but i wasn't hooked on ig (shame on me)
when i first got it so i didn't listen to anything but ctf on that album
for years.  but i did feel that (and remember i am just this bleeding
heart romantic chick) when i listened to strange fire, and fare thee
well...amongst many many others.  *sighs* i think i'll go hoist my cross
back on my back.  break time is over. :)

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say to one another is still the thing we long to hear?"
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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 00:12:43 -0800
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> shannon wrote:
> "the same sun that  warms your heart will suck that gutter dry,"
>

ha! i've probably belted those words out a thousand times listening to that
album!  you mean all this time i've been wrong!  oh well.  remember the post
about the line "i ache myself amour" ?  the two versions i remember  posted
were "i ate myself a boar", and "i ate myself some smores".  those two
always killed me.

as always,
chris wilson

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i can't believe that i actually submitted those songs of mine to the tape.  of
course i feel honored to part of it, but i really want to say to those of you
on it:

"y'all rock!!!!!!!!!"

i finally got to sit down to listen to it, and i'm amazed (how do you guys do
it?  digital studios, real studios.....how much does it cost to get studio
time?).  here i am recording on an old walkman with an out of tune guitar and
sh*t.

another thing:  someone emailed me and told me that my email messages to this
list are annoying b/c of the html content....is this really happening to my
messages?  i've seen it on other's, and it is infact annoying...am i a noid?

-chee

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i work at big thicket national preserve, and i'm trying to get out of here b/c
i want to experience other national parks, right?

all of the sudden, i think back and remember a song called greener
pastures...from strange fire.

"i'm in search of greener pastures,
don't like my garden's what i said,
although i'm working harder than last year,
i'm still deep in the red...

i went to sunday school last sunday,
swallowed the bait and i got the hook,
when i needed something someday,
i would read a real good book,
tell me, what does it take to get ahead,
sometimes i know i'd sell my soul,
it looks like everybody else is flying,
and i'm crawling in a hole.

maybe if i open my own business (emily did that!),
maybe if i buy a lottery ticket (i'll never do this!),
someone tell me what is the secret
to gettin' out of big thicket!
give me more than just a sample,
i need a whole lot of glory
for my life to become an example
of the american success story!

i want to slide into the black with a black mask"???????

-----what is a black mask for anyway?

-chee

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hey y'all,
so i was in fl over spring break driving around with my mother, & while
driving across the panhandle after a week of eating boiled peanuts &
experiencing the lovely spring weather, i decided to pop in southland
in the springtime, a song which neither my mother nor i like very much. it
made so much more sense! still not one of my favorites, but i could
appreciate it more in that atmosphere. yes, my mother is another one of
those cool 'rents. i can't even remember the 1st time i heard the girls,
probably ctf or i don't wanna go at some campfire, but my mom & i have
always loved singing ig harmonies together- now that i play guitar, we
have more of a repertoire. her fave song is world falls.

anyhoo, the one that really struck me that day was pushing the needle too
far. i'd always liked it, but in the car i realized that it was *exactly*
how i felt the morning after my gf left me, a year ago tuesday (i'm gonna
be a sobbing mess for the next coupla days, letters of support would be
appreciated.) amy was vocalizing every detail of that morning... her name
meant "precious jewel" in vietnamese, ("i've lost something precious...")
our breakup was due to her internalized homophobia mainly because of her
religion, (when i play it, i sing "god'll save me" & "god'll save you"
with a very ironic twist) and so many more little details- it was as if i
had written it. i could've written it. i wrote it! :p
so i figured it out in the airport while listening to it on headphones...
then wound up giving a little concert to all of the maintenance guys. they
thought i wrote ctf. no, see, i wrote *ptntf* then i had to detune my
strings.
but i keep playing it, & thinking about it... i always thought of my
gf as a lot like the queen in suzanne vega's "the queen & the soldier."
anyone else think the "queen who closed the door" is refering to that
queen? also, i lost her because she gave in- to the mainstream,
patriarchal, homophobic society we live in. she helped me more by not
giving in... amy's raw voice pleading "don't give in, doncha give in...."
was my internal monologue for much of my relationship with her- but it
turned out that it's not enough to be completely & utterly in love if you
don't have the strength to stand up to the pressures of a hostile society
& family. i was willing to push it to the edge, to go beyond that border,
but it was too far for her, and the needle fell off the record player, it
gouged too deep under her skin, it scared her- and she kissed me goodnight
after one last dance & left. i just hope she's ok, wherever she is...
peace, arjuna

ps on a lighter note, some of the funniest mondegreenes (misheard lyrics)
i've heard are "we'll give the finger to those we pass on our way out of
town" (seems like gotm has quite a few of these) and one from melissa e-
"i wanna come over, to hell with the concert plans" instead of "to hell
with the consequence" :)

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wow....

i honestly can't remember when i first found and got onto the list (ok, to be honest i know where i first found out about the list - through the "indigo index" - does anybody remember who ran that - he was a listee and he was scottish (i think....))), but i remember the feeling of relief that there were other people out there who loved the ig as much as i did, and still do. it's been great having a group of people out there who i feel are always there for me. i've met so many great people through this list, and started listening to a lot of music (ani, lift, michelle) through this list. oh yeah, and my xmas card list has expanded a couple of times because of this list as well....

ok, onto the other part of my mail (wow - you made it through the first part? what are you, oprah or something? ;-)) i think there are two ig songs that stand out :

least complicated - i can just remember listening to this at a time when i was really low emotionally --- just looking out the window and seeing all the people in love walking by ---- that song really got me through those times, and i think i'm much more "together" emotionally now then i was then.....

watershed - just thinking sometimes, especially in my final year at university, when i was looking back, and remembering all the things that seemed massive in my life, especially during my first year!!! this song sort of reminded of how small those things are now in my life, but also how those little things affected the way i live my life now!

anyway, thanks y'all,

john.

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in a message dated 3/29/99 3:29:50 am, chee wrote:

<<-----what is a black mask for anyway?>>

what?  never seen lone ranger???  zorro???  batman????  anonymous do-
gooders... secret identities.

dee

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in a message dated 3/28/99 10:10:21 pm, tigger wrote:

<<i just thought i'd let everyone know that there is still a place where the
spirit of the old ig list still exists.  "babble-your-brains-out" posts and
marginally-related, totally "whacked-out" threads are welcome at the other ig
list - indigogirls@egroups.com>>

thank you, tigg.  i was beginning to get frustrated.  that is the place for
all this, and why *i* belong to it.  i feel for all those digest folks who are
gonna get the 30-some rambles i got this am.

and for the record... those of us around before this "old spirit" remember
when this list was calm, like it has been lately... and we like it that way.

dee (who knows some folks don't agree... so don't agree privately, k?)

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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 11:27:34 -0500
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chee wrote:

<<  i can't believe that i actually submitted those songs of mine to the
tape.  of
course i feel honored to part of it, but i really want to say to those of
you
on it:

"y'all rock!!!!!!!!!"  >>

i've been listening to this tape for the past week and a half, and it keeps
growing on me....when i first commented on it, it was kinda like hearing
sots for the first time.....i was very impressed by the talent, but it took
a while for the songs to become recognizable entities.....

the raw energy of "resume" and "walkin' back to georgia" is great.....

thanks to everyone again......this tape is one i will trult cherish....

peace and harmony....
tim

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so, is there anyway that i could get a copy of this tape?   i would love a
copy!!

happy monday!!!  :)
peace,
kara...

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hey all,

its hard to even remember what my original thoughts were pertaining to
individual ig songs or albums, because most of them have become so
latched/attached to specific memories or incidents that have happened
since the first listen...the first two albums are a 16,000 mile road
trip with my mom (and studying in the backyard in high school), rop is
the 4 hour flight when i left for college, so is a hot summer, full of
california asphalt (and the ensuing fall, listening to touch me fall on
single-song-repeat for hours trying to make sense of anything at
all)...still, i remember:

fare thee well:  reminded me instantly of my college best friend (who i
was spending the summer apart from after being nearly inseparable during
the school year..."you had to burn yourself up/just to make yourself
alive"...the way i saw her then; the way, several years later, i still
think of her now.

love will come to you:  still makes me cry if i listen enough.  a
reasuring wake up call through the headphones of my mind; something i'm
still trying to convince myself.  a nice reminder of how far i've come
in the seven years since that album came out.

sister:  i saw amy sing this in chicago last summer and could barely
breathe...words cut through skin cut through pretense of emotion into
raw core...there had been, that day or the day before, an incredible
storm around lunch time, where it was blue sky, then light grey, then i
look up and the sky to the west was almost black, and i ran a block
through 60 mile an hour wind trying to get back to the office in time
and then water...rain just pounding, coming in sideways, surreal blanket
of water and heat and i just pressed my body into a doorway and
watched...its the closest thing i can think of to seeing amy sing that
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song.

glad to see some more posting.

take care,
shelley
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hey all,

guess the cat's out of the bag on this one, so here goes...

yes, the ig listee musician tape (aka smallternative:  an indigo
inspired music compilation) is finally ready.  its 90 minutes long and
has some amazing songs by 12 or 13 of our fellow listees.  i am,
however, pretty swamped with life's more sundry details right now, and
don't have the time to make massive copies.  are there any listees out
there who would be willing to help tree it (contributers or
non-contributers)?

please e-mail me privately if you're interested.

also, if i still owe anyone a rose p. boot, please let me know...i lost
my list of who needed what, and think i still have a few tapes to send
out.

thanks,
shelley

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shelley miller wrote:
>
> hey all,
>
> guess the cat's out of the bag on this one, so here goes...
>
> yes, the ig listee musician tape (aka smallternative:  an indigo
> inspired music compilation) is finally ready.  its 90 minutes long and
> has some amazing songs by 12 or 13 of our fellow listees.

would they be singing original songs or indigo girl songs?

elaine

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the songs are originals!  all done by listees and way cooler than you
might think.  the songs really stick with you after a few listens.  i am
so impressed with the talent on the tape - and you haven't lived until
you've heard chee wail, "i'll be f***ing gone!!" she rocks ya'll.  but
all the songs are great - good lyrics too - love the line in that one
song - forgive me - i don't have my notes... "sipping coffee from the
mugs we bought in provincetown"  and some spoken word stuff - can't
remember who - and sorry i can't give credit - but there's a really cool
one on there that brings me to tears every time - about "the sequel to
lost is found"  man - it's some great stuff.  ya'll seriously - if this
is treed, the list in general should get it - it's really interesting to
hear the ig influences and at the same time, how nothing's like a
'copy'.  although - and this is funny - a lot of the rhythm guitar on it
- well... you can tell we've been playing 'amy' songs. :)

-tara from in clover

> would they be singing original songs or indigo girl songs?
>
> elaine
>
>

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>would they be singing original songs or indigo girl songs?

erf--guess i should have clarified!  the listees on this tape are
performing original songs and poetry (there is one cover, but its of jim
croce and not the girls).

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first of all, in case my name seems foreign, i've actually never posted
before. i was on the list a few years back, but got off for some bad reason.
so i'm back!
anyway,
i was just wondering if any of y'all have read the book "house made of dawn"
by n. scott momady. i read it for my senior thesis paper, and halfway through,
i came across the following poem (don't quote me word for word, the book's not
in front of me...)

...may beauty be before me
may beauty be behind me
may beauty be above me
may beauty be below me...

does this not seem strikingly familiar (j & e)? could it be a reference or
just a big coincident?

good to be back!
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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 15:31:32 -0800
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there's a lovely round made out of an ancient native american chant:
now i walk in beauty
beauty is before me
beauty is behind me
above and below me

i don't know which tribe, someone help me out here?
there are several songs, including j&e, which refer to this chant.

i'm feeling better, btw- i think tomorrow's gonna be the worst, cuz it's
the true anniversary of when i last saw/talked to my ex. thanks to those
of you who've sent notes. :)
peace, arjuna

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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 18:43:14 -0000
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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 19:02:18 -0500
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actually, amy "borrowed" that part of jonas & ezekiel from a native american (i
think) poem/song.  my choir learned it last year from a visiting singer.  the
tune is similar for the first line, but the ig version repeats the same pattern,
while the version we learned is much different for the other lines.

maybe someone else out there knows a bit more about this song/poem?

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wow!  europe in summer of 95!  what a coincedence!  i remember peering
intently out the foggy windows of our bus, driving into florence,
listening to emily sing mystery and amy sing world falls.  *sigh*  and
yes, every one in a while while i'm driving my piece-o-crap pontiac down
i35 in dallas, tx i look out my fogged up window when those songs come
on, and think -- god, what the hell am i doing here?

oh, yeah -- the other day i was channel surfing and landed on pbs just
long enough to catch some credits listing the indigo girls' let it be me
as one of the included songs.  i wasn't quite sure what it was -- maybe a
broadcast on a recent philanthopy (sp?) project?  anyone know?

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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 19:25:00 -0500
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hi list:

iīm new to this list and i just wanted to share with you why "everything in
its own time" is my favorite song. 3 years ago i met another melissa
etheridge fan and this was a thrill because where a live nobody knew, knows
who melissa etheridge is and this girl lent me "nites of passage" and i was
hooked, i mean, i knew the indigo girls existed, but i didnīt know how they
sounded. a year later she gave me "shaming of the sun" as a present for my
birthday and when i listened to the song for the first time, guess, i
didnīt pay attention to that song in particular. but then i admited to be
in love with this girl (letīs say she kindda rejected me)  and my life
started to fall apart. 1998 was the hardest year in my life so far. i had a
broken heart and so many problems. but then i had the fortune to have in
front of me a very wise man, a person who was, is and will always be very
important for me, a person that i might not be able to see or talk with
again in my life and that when i had to say goodbye was the most painful
moment in my life and the best advice he could ever give me was:
"everything has its own time, you just have to wait till it comes". then i
really pay attention to the song and it hit me. i felt like if the song was
a mirror and my life was just reflecting in it. suddenly the lirics had
sense for me. and for the melissa etheridge fan if you are in this list i
just want you to know that itīs ok if you donīt wanna talk to me anymore i
understand, i still thank god, because he lent me your presence for a
moment. i wish you the best! thanks

monica

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well, i must say that most all of the girls' songs have a special meaning to
me.
i will never forget going to see my grandmother at a rest home. i had a really
hard time with it, she deteriorated so fast from being lively to just not
wanting to live and giving away all of her stuff. i had a really hard time
seeing her in a "home" it just killed me. somehow i composed myself and made
it through. when my girlfriend and i got in the truck to leave, the song that
came on was "virginia woolf" as i sat and cried and listened to words of the
chorus, "so you know your alright, life will come life will go....." then "the
place where you hold me, is dark in a pocket of truth the moon has swallowed
the sun..." it was very powerful and consoling for me to hear that.....
probably the song that meant the most to me, still to this day is, "mystery."
this song gave me the greatest feeling. it reminds me of my girl, " i could go
crazy on a night like tonight, when summers beginning to give up her fight."
that dreamy feeling.  there was a point in the beginning of our relationship,
ya know the complete passion, obsession and romance. that song just set all of
those emotions in place for me. i must have played the song over and over for
weeks. even though her and i aren't together anymore, we are still great
friends and i will cherish her always, and "mystery" will always be her song.
the funny thing about that song, the song which gave me fuel for my desire for
her also healed me when it came time to end it... "so what is love them, is it
dictated or chosen? does it sing like the hymns of a 1000 years or is it just
pop emotion? and if it ever was here and it left does it mean it was never
true, and to exist it must elude, is that why i think these things of you."
how powerful are those lyrics. how thankful i am that emily wrote it.
how empty me life would be without the girls

the mislyric that was the funniest was from power of two, had the boys on the
side cd (no words). "in the truck i've packed a cooler and a tilly suitcase" i
racked my brain for days, i knew it was wrong.
omg the funniest one has to be from "walk away" the end part when they both
are singing (different verses) amy sings "i said close your eyes, walk away,
oh baby baby baby baby " emily sings at the same time, but i couldn't figure
it out and was writing it down, so we could sing it (that lyric verse was not
on the cd lyrics.) i wrote down, "is it still there in our eyes, sternbowl,
walkin on broken glass." my girlfriend came over and looked at it and was
laughing her head off. she said it's stumble!  still to this day she says
sternbowl instead of stumble. lol
a+e=ig
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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 23:27:35 -0500
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hmmmmmm lets see where does one start to explain or choose what line touched
or fit my life sooooo perfectly.....i know that i have posted how i felt
after my nasty break up this december when i heard the line "feels so  funny
to be free"  but everytime i think about what has happened to me during the
past few months, and how my life has changed so dramatically, that line just
says it all..

another one that gets me is from 3 hits..."mother do you claim me? my
beloved do you blame me?"  just says so much about my experiences since i
came out.....having my parents disown me and toss me aside and the pain and
anger of that finally doing a 180 and turning into a wonderful relationship
between my mother and myself....and yes, that terrible moment at the end of
one of my earlier relationships, where i was wondering, was it my fault that
she started dating women, would she have never done that if i had not come
into her life....i know that is a bit egotistical, but you know when it is
yelled at you in anger one does have to wonder...

i think that one of the things about our beloved girls music is that it
speaks to all of the highs and lows...i listen to them when i write and
funny thing is, what ever i am working on always draws from the same threads
in their music. they write about life in its simplest form...reality...all
the pain and laughter.....together it weaves itself into their music and
into our lives, that is why we the fans feel such a love, admiration and
respect for the music and the musicians...

ok, coming down from my poetic heights now...take care my fellow intimate
strangers...i am off to bed....with the thought of bettering the world
running around me in my mind.... yes, i am waxing philosophical tonight
sorry, just letting the writer in me take the helm tonight...oh well

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peace love and light

beccie lyon

within our hands is the power to change the world....
even if it is only used to touch one shoulder in support
or love  it is our destiny to change the world in that way.....

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date:         mon, 29 mar 1999 23:34:15 -0500
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        i have a couple of songs that resonante for me beyond the
essential beauty and power of the songs themselves. first is 10kw, just
because it so exactly describes a relationship i have with a close friend
of mine who is also a former teacher, and who actually tried to get me
into the girls back in ninth grade, two years before i ever really
listened to them (stupid! stupid!). i emember calling her when i got n*i*s
to tell her how much i loved the album, even though things had been rocky
and we hadn't spoken in over three months... i wanted an icebreaker and
this seemed a good one. she told me then that 10k was her favorite song.
so it resonates...
        also, wf touches for me every moment of natural beauty that is
beyond any other kind of description. it's sort of a benediction i murmur
to myself when it seems that there's no other sufficient way to say "thank
you" to the world for what's in front of us.
        mandy

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                                -emily saliers, nc chapel hill, nov. 1987

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                                -eilis monahan

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ok, one more.....
touch me falls, to me is the most intimate expression of love i have ever
heard.....i can just picture in my mind, a couple sharing that intimate
touch of hand to face, the first feel of your lovers skin against your hand
and the love that is shared with just a touch.....that is what i want to
find, that love that consumes you and enchants you, you know what i mean? ok
ok i am going to bed now you guys take care.....

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beccie lyon

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>hmmmmmm lets see where does one start to explain or choose what line
touched
>or fit my life sooooo perfectly.....i know that i have posted how i felt
>after my nasty break up this december when i heard the line "feels so
funny
>to be free"  but everytime i think about what has happened to me during the
>past few months, and how my life has changed so dramatically, that line
just
>says it all..
>
>another one that gets me is from 3 hits..."mother do you claim me? my
>beloved do you blame me?"  just says so much about my experiences since i
>came out.....having my parents disown me and toss me aside and the pain and
>anger of that finally doing a 180 and turning into a wonderful relationship
>between my mother and myself....and yes, that terrible moment at the end of
>one of my earlier relationships, where i was wondering, was it my fault
that
>she started dating women, would she have never done that if i had not come
>into her life....i know that is a bit egotistical, but you know when it is
>yelled at you in anger one does have to wonder...
>
>i think that one of the things about our beloved girls music is that it
>speaks to all of the highs and lows...i listen to them when i write and
>funny thing is, what ever i am working on always draws from the same
threads
>in their music. they write about life in its simplest form...reality...all
>the pain and laughter.....together it weaves itself into their music and
>into our lives, that is why we the fans feel such a love, admiration and
>respect for the music and the musicians...
>
>ok, coming down from my poetic heights now...take care my fellow intimate
>strangers...i am off to bed....with the thought of bettering the world
>running around me in my mind.... yes, i am waxing philosophical tonight
>sorry, just letting the writer in me take the helm tonight...oh well
>
><<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
>peace love and light
>
>beccie lyon
>
>within our hands is the power to change the world....
>even if it is only used to touch one shoulder in support
>or love  it is our destiny to change the world in that way.....
>
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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 00:42:05 -0500
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i picked up al couple of lift stickers tonight at smith's olde bar.  they
are up for grabs two the first two people i hear back from.

smiles,
allison

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 02:08:21 est
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can anybody tell me anything about this song? i know nothing...like, who wrote
it...what they performed it for...if it's on a boot somewhere...i have a copy
of the song (thanks to barb--a wonderful listee who made me this awesome mixed
tape!!) but, i don't where it came from!!

thanks for any info!!
peace,
kara.

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hey y'all.  i guess i'm just plain guilty of not paying much attention lately
(so what else is new), but what, exactly, in absolutely moronic, even-an-
idiot-with-an-iq-lower-than-a-houseplant-can-understand-this terms, is an mp3?
i know they're some kind of download-able music file thingy, but beyond that
i'm completely in the dark.  please, if some kindly enlightened soul could
teach me, i'd be grateful.

we now return you to reality, already in progress....

dawn

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 10:15:10 +-100
reply-to:     john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
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this is probably going to be the most elaborate "me too" message ever, but i just noticed it last night (about 2 in the morning, so i didn't really feel like switching on my computer then...)....

on the "thanks to..." list for the new album by shawn mullins, "soul's core", which is wonderful, btw .... he's put amy, emily and sulli in there....

everybody else has probably noticed that already, but i just thought i'd point it out...

john.

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 01:30:21 -0800
reply-to:     "chris w." <chaosbob@gte.net>
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    mp3 stands for mpeg layer 3.  it is a highly compressed audio file
format.  the compression rate is about 12:1.  that allows a yield of about
one minute of audio to about one megabyte of file size.  compare that with
hight quality *.wav files which yield about one minute of cd quality audio
to about ten megabytes of file size.  the main theory behind this is simple.
cd quality sound, or 16bit sound sampled at 44khz contains a wide spectrum
of audio frequency.  since the human ear cannot discern very low or very
high frequencies,  mp3 gains efficiency by eliminating those frequencies
altogether.  the advantage is good sounding audio (not as good as cd
quality, but much better than other file formats like real audio), for
relatively small file size.  the disadvantage is hefty processing demands
placed on the computer.  this means you will need a fast pentium or
equivelant to play mp3's.
    one other issue of note is that most mp3's available on the internet
today are illegal.  that is, people are making mp3's of copywrighted
material and distributing them on the internet without the permission of the
artist or the record label.  this is a grey area that will no doubt be
debated for years in the courts.  there are, however, many legitemate mp3's
online.   one of the best sources for information on this subject, and for
legal mp3's is: www.mp3.com.  many aspiring artists do use this technology
to put their songs on the web.  as far as the ig bootleg mp3's go, they are
as legal as the boots we all trade, due to their uncopywrighted nature. but
hey, thats probably another area of greyness.  :)

hope that helps!

as always,
chris wilson

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hmmm, so when are they ever going to announce what songs are going to be
on the lilith fair double cd set coming out in may?   remember in
january when they told us is would only be a few weeks until we heard a
track listing?   i wanna know!!
it'll be coming out w/in the next 2 months for crying out loud!!   they
have to know, right?
anyway
i also want to know about lf in general....ig have listed a few places,
but i suspect that it didn't include everyone (i'm hoping it can include
indigohio!)....
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kara runge wrote:
>
> can anybody tell me anything about this song? i know nothing...like, who wrote
> it...what they performed it for...if it's on a boot somewhere...i have a copy
> letter to eve was written by pet seeger, and ig perform it on his
tribute album.  it is also on aboot i have, radio city music hall, june
28th 1994.

elaine

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from:         shannon <bcmassga@bluffton.edu>
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whatever kind soul made you the boot must have put letter to eve on there,
b/c i have the radio city music hall 6/28/94 boot, and there's no "ohhhhhh
eve...where is adam?" in sight... :(  luckily sheryl was kind enough to send
me cover me grey so i could enjoy it too.  :)

shannon

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 08:53:05 -0500
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shannon wrote:
>
> whatever kind soul made you the boot must have put letter to eve on there,
> b/c i have the radio city music hall 6/28/94 boot, and there's no "ohhhhhh
> eve...where is adam?" in sight...


oh, maybe it wasn't part of the actual concert.  i guess the person who
made the boot put it on as filler.  that's probably what happened.

elaine

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 06:53:08 -0800
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> that is, people are making mp3's of copywrighted
> material and distributing them on the internet without the permission of the
> artist or the record label.  this is a grey area that will no doubt be
> debated for years in the courts.

actually, it's not a grey area at all.  making copies of copyrighted
material for distribution, even without profit being involved, is an
illegal act.  (everytime you sit down with a new tdk audio cassette and
make a tape for someone off of cd or vinyl, you're breaking the law.)

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 11:21:25 -0500
reply-to:     kelly fairbairn <fairbk@sage.edu>
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just wanted to say a quick thank you for the responses i rec'd re: laura
love.  i did end up going and had a fabulous time.  i haven't danced like
that at a show in a long time.  :)

kelly,
whose cds to buy list keeps growing and growing and growing...

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 17:22:04 +-100
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>actually, it's not a grey area at all.  making copies of copyrighted
>material for distribution, even without profit being involved, is an
>illegal act.  (everytime you sit down with a new tdk audio cassette and
>make a tape for someone off of cd or vinyl, you're breaking the law.)

>-graham

so, that means that everyday, almost everybody breaks the law. think about it - everytime you photocopy something, tape a tv programme, make a mix tape of your favourite music --- whatever.... ----, you're breaking the law. wow - there must be a whole lot of outlaws out there.....

john.

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 11:31:53 est
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hey everyone....i rarely ever post...but upon hearing all of the awesome
things about the smallternative tape...i got an idea. so here is goes... what
about sending a copy of the tape along w/ a note explaining what is is all
about to amy along w/ her b-day present?  i know that if i was a musician...i
would really appreciate something like that....you know..something that was
made because i had inspired people to do it.  amy's b-day is coming up very
quickly now....has there been any final word on what is going to happen?
ok...enough of me rambling....what do you think of the idea?
peace & music,
jenn

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 12:07:02 -0500
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hi all,

just to let you know that the lift sticker s have been spoken for

allison

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 11:06:02 -0700
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has anyone been able to access the ftp site where the "white dot" mp3 files
are in the past week?  i was able to download about half of the files, but i
haven't been able to connect the server since to get the rest of the files.

vivo de milagro

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 10:13:37 -0800
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actually, yes.  although there are fair use laws, which basically state
that you can photocopy an magazine article for private use.  a teacher
in a class, however, photocopying 50 copies of a time article for her
class, is breaking the law.  she should, by all rights, order reprints
of the article from the publisher.

same with television shows -- most programs have an unstated 7-day fair
use permit -- that is, you can tape a program for repeated viewing up to
a week after the original air date.  after that, you're supposed to
order a copy of the program.

i'm not defending the copyright laws we have in place -- i think that
most of them are outdated and useless in our modern, electronic, digital
world.  but them's the facts.

-graham

john bond wrote:

> so, that means that everyday, almost everybody breaks the law. think about it - everytime you photocopy something, tape a tv programme, make a mix tape of your favourite music --- whatever.... ----, you're breaking the law. wow - there must be a whole lot of outlaws out there.....

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 13:26:58 -0500
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to: underdog@earthlink.net

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> what
> about sending a copy of the tape along w/ a note explaining what is is all
> about to amy along w/ her b-day present?

ack!  if i'd known this might happen, i wouldn't have put my terrible attempt at
songwriting on the tape...

anna
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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 12:53:50 -0800
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i have information on a performance by melissa ferrick this friday in los
angeles. email me privately if you are interested.

emily

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 16:13:31 -0500
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hey all-
     i have a question about hand me downs and the
interview that comes after it on this show.  hand me downs
is only a minute and 6 seconds, and then after that my
winamp stops and comes up with an error message that says:
error, not a valid mpeg file.  i tried downloading it
again, same thing.  the others work fine.  except the
interview after it doesn't play either, it only says it's
one second long.  anyone else had this problem when
listening to this? thanks- laura

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 16:15:45 -0500
reply-to:     "johnson, laura b" <johnsolb@jmu.edu>
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by the way, isn't it cool that amy said she wrote hand me
downs _last night_, aka the night before they played at
wrek!
-lj

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1.
re:  smallternative.

"i was amazed, as i kept listening to the songs coming in--so much of
what was sent in was as good or better than the drivel i'm spoon-fed
daily by the radio (and wxrt is a pretty good radio station)...
i was expecting the majority to be like, well, having fun with the $30 dollar
ge handheld tape recorder...
i hadn't picked up my guitar in months--i did the poem thing first, and
figured that would be okay, but then it was like, okay, i'm putting this thing
together, and i'm too chicken to put my own flailing on tape?...it took me
eight tries (at least) to get even
all the way through the song..."

here's the good stuff:

"i think it's cool to get the spectrum of where [we artists] people are at.  i
still have this big stars-in-my-eyes kind of approach to the whole concept of
"recording"...
i'm not sure that i have a point here, aside maybe from my amazement that it
isn't like a big wall between good and bad, between above ground and
underground...like being big and famous doesn't give you the right to make
music and it doesn't make your music any better or any more real.  it means
you've got slick packaging, and half page ads in rolling stone (that great
bastion of pseudo-hip journalism and soft porn).  i feel a tirade coming on.
take tim...he
sent me a tape full of songs that were as good as the two that ended up on the
tape...
any one of the people who sent things in for the tape, i would pay to go see
perform, and they'd probably put on a heck of a better show than whatever the
next big thing
coming through...
i think that lisa germano song is my new philosophy--so much of the cool
stuff is 'way below the radio'."
-shelley
************************************
2.
the thing here is that i'm actually waaaaaaaay the heck below the radio, so
why do i care if ig or anybody else gets on the radio or not?  the stuff i
listen to probably never got on the radio more than a couple times.  the stuff
i listen to, i listen to for entertainment.  radio's for my entertainment,
too? right?  sure, it is.  but how much of that entertainment is actually the
joy of hearing about what other singer/songwriters are doing musically,
artistically?  it's about keeping "in touch," and this is also why i'm never
going to obey those self-righteous bumper stickers that say "kill your
television."  .... i'm addicted to keeping in touch.  i'd like to continue to
get a feel for what y'all are doing musically.

********************************************
3.
while i'm rambling....have y'all ever thought about this????  this is
intense!!!!!!::::

have you ever thought about throwing your tv out a window, selling all of your
cds (even that old special one, probably n*i*s), quit buying the music
magazines, and taking yourself away from the music world you know just to get
a real sense of what you as an artist would create without influences?  a
clean slate?

-chee
(the big list had to see this, so please complain to me personally for sending
this to the big list, if you feel like it.)

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 18:16:50 -0500
reply-to:     neil <neily@netreach.net>
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hey!

still part of my favourite subject...

gonna quote a bit of law and then comment (in * * for ease of viewing),
quote the riaa and then sit back awhile... i'm not a lawyer, so feel free to
argue!!

sec. 2319a. unauthorized fixation of and trafficking in sound recordings and
music
videos of live musical performances
( http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2319a.html )

(a) offense. - whoever, without the consent of the performer or performers
involved,
knowingly and for purposes of commercial advantage or private financial
gain -
(1) fixes the sounds or sounds and images of a live musical
performance in a copy or phonorecord, or reproduces copies or
phonorecords of such a performance from an unauthorized fixation;
(2) transmits or otherwise communicates to the public the
sounds or sounds and images of a live musical performance; or
(3) distributes or offers to distribute, sells or offers to
sell, rents or offers to rent, or traffics in any copy or
phonorecord fixed as described in paragraph (1)...

*the keywords here are "for purposes of commercial advantage or private
financial gain". if you're not doing that, you're not breaking the law. but
beware:*

(e) definitions. - as used in this section -

(2) the term ''traffic in'' means transport, transfer, or
otherwise dispose of, to another, as consideration for anything
of value...

*so that means that trading, is not ok. because you have recieved something
of value - a copyrighted work and the medium it was recorded on. although if
i sent you a blank cd, cassette or video and you put something on it and
sent it back to me, this would be ok as far as i can tell. how they draw the
line between me giving you a tape with stuff on with no expectation of
financial gain, and then getting something in return anyway (a trade) is
beyond me...*

as far as the riaa (recording industry association of america - the
organization charged with policing this) is concerned:  "is tape trading now
illegal by definition - even trades where no money changes hands? yes and
no. director steve d'onofrio says the anti-piracy unit looks at the scale of
trading involved. "one individual trading with one individual is not a
problem," he says."

however: " the riaa regards newbie trades of one show for two blanks as a
kind of profiteering."

(you can read the whole of this extremely interesting article here:
http://www.wired.com/news/news/culture/story/9532.html
and i commend it to you).

*the above bit speaks for itself, really.
everybody breaks the law. you can't help it. half the time, you probably
don't realise it.
everytime you speed, you break the law, and if you ask me, that's a whole
lot more dangerous than making a mix tape or two...*

and that's basically it...

peace and chocolate chip cookie dough fat free frozen yoghurt...

neil
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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 20:32:05 -0500
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hi list:

new here and for some reason i lost the guidelines and therefore i canīt
set my mail to the digest format because i donīt remember how to do that.
any help would be great. thanks.

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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 19:53:24 -0700
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subject:      re: wrek atlanta
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yep, i've got the same problem

vivo de milagro


on tue, 30 mar 1999, johnson, laura b wrote:

> hey all-
>      i have a question about hand me downs and the
> interview that comes after it on this show.  hand me downs
> is only a minute and 6 seconds, and then after that my
> winamp stops and comes up with an error message that says:
> error, not a valid mpeg file.  i tried downloading it
> again, same thing.  the others work fine.  except the
> interview after it doesn't play either, it only says it's
> one second long.  anyone else had this problem when
> listening to this? thanks- laura
>
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date:         tue, 30 mar 1999 21:36:15 -0600
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i thought i would let everyone know, because i've had some requests for
this info:  in order to sign on to the other ig list, the egroups one,
go to this page:  http://members.aol.com/ndygotiggr/faq.html
read the faq and sign up using the nifty onscreen box.
any other questions feel free to email the list moderator (that would be
me).
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reply-to:     i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
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i'm forever trying to find ways to blend my two biggest obsessions (ig and
xena).  one way was that goofball story i wrote about the girls being the
reincarnations of xena and gabrielle, since i'm a xwp fanfic writer (one
who *will* and *does* swear up and down that x and g are, at least in
those lifetimes, lovers). well . . . sort of as a followup to that story
came this one.  i was on my way to work, and as luck would have it, the
sun was setting as i was listening to "get out the map."  it got me to
thinking, and this little sketch, cut down a little to save on bandwidth,
just came to me.  it's pretty heavily inspired by "get out the map," so i
thought i'd share it.

taken from "while our love is good and young," by rhiannon silverflame

disclaimer:  the characters of xena and gabrielle are the property of
universal, mca, and renaissance pictures.  this story is a work of fan
fiction and the author does not stand to make any profit from it.

        orange faded into crimson on the horizon, reddening the sky above
the two women who sat on the mountainside, enjoying a moment of quiet
companionship.  it was a peaceful ending to a remarkably peaceful day;
days like this were unusual in the life of the warrior and the bard, who
so often spent them fighting, or thwarting some sinister plot, or
otherwise involved in deeds that could be considered heroic.
        gabrielle tucked her knees up under her chin and let out a small,
satisfied sigh.  "you know, there's something about a sunset that's both
beautiful and tragic," she reflected.
        xena studied the attractive features of her young lover and
reached out to draw her close.  "it is beautiful, all right.  but how is
it tragic?" she asked, putting an arm around gabrielle's shoulders.
        "well," the bard began slowly, snuggling up close to xena's side,
"that all depends on what happens during the day, really.  there are
times, like when we were caught up in that war between the thessalians and
the mitoans and i almost died, that the day has been so full of violence
and bloodshed that you can't get it out of your mind."
        "you don't have to tell me," the warrior murmured.
        gabrielle nudged her and gave her that familiar "you're
interrupting me while i'm doing my philosophical thing again" look.  xena,
chastised, chuckled and fell silent, letting the young woman continue.
        "and on days like that," the bard went on, "when the sun sets,
you're glad it's all over.  but you can't help but think of the sun
setting on all the lives that were lost, and the red in the sky reminds
you of all the blood that was shed.  but there are also times, like today,
when nothing but good things have happened, and that red sky becomes a
blaze of glory celebrating the beauty of the hours you've just spent.  and
yet you can't help regretting that the day is over, and wondering what
will happen when you wake up and the sun rises again."
        gabrielle wrapped her arms around xena's waist.  "but there's an
even simpler reason why the sunset is both beautiful and tragic, you
know," she added, a smile twitching at the corners of her mouth.
        "oh?  how's that?"  xena arched an eyebrow quizzically at
gabrielle, her expression bemused.
        the blonde woman reached up and tilted xena's face down toward
hers, kissing her gently.  "every sunset means the end of a day i've spent
with you.  and every day with you is wonderful, and special, but it's one
more day gone, and we can never live it again."
        xena smiled.  "well, i can think of one exception . . ."
        gabrielle swatted her playfully.  "oh, stop it, xena!  that
doesn't count and you know it."
        they laughed together at the memory of that one repeating day, but
the warrior's blue eyes darkened with a thought.  "when i was living that
day over and over again, you died once, you know . . ."
        gabrielle sighed.  "i know.  and i can't help but wonder . . ."
she trailed off, troubled by her own thoughts.  "all my family is back
home in poteidaia, so far away from us; our friends are scattered all
over.  and here we are, traveling from place to place . . .  someday i'd
like to just settle down with you and live a peaceful life, and not have
to constantly deal with all this danger.  i have so many memories of our
adventures, and they make wonderful stories, but i'm always afraid of
losing you.  i never know, when i wake up, if something will happen to one
of us and that day will be the last one we spend together.  and xena, it
scares me."
        the muscles of her face working against the sadness she wanted to
express, xena said, "gabrielle, if you dwell on that, it makes every
moment so much less sweet, and you won't be able to enjoy them as much.
it's no way to live, constantly fearing what might be just around the
corner."
        the bard nodded.  "yeah, i know.  i try not to think about it too
much, but sometimes i just can't help it.  i guess i should just make the
most of the time we do have, instead, huh?"  suddenly she brightened with
an idea, and jumped up.  "come on!" she exclaimed, holding her arms out
and beckoning to the warrior.
        xena blinked, confused, and unsure of what her lover had in mind.
"what?" she asked, getting to her feet.
        gabrielle's green eyes sparkled with excitement.  "dance with me,"
she said, scrambling over to where the ground was most level.
        "dance?  miss 'i have two left feet and they wouldn't let me dance
because i brought in a bad harvest?'  and with no music?" xena laughed,
and ignored the mock dirty look she got from the bard in response to her
teasing.  nevertheless, she went over to gabrielle and took the smaller
woman in her arms.
        "we'll never see this particular sunset again, xena," the bard
told her.  she gestured toward the sky with a sweep of her arm; its fiery
colors were receding into a fine crimson thread lining the horizon,
leaving a rich, regal purple to adorn the heavens in their wake.  she
looked deep into xena's eyes and added, "and this sunset, it's almost
over.  but i'm determined to enjoy every last bit of it . . . with you."
with a bit of an effort, she whirled the tall warrior around her in a
circle, faster and faster, both of them getting caught up in the fun of
the moment.  gabrielle's worries were forgotten in the sheer joy of being
here, in xena's arms, and she knew that in years to come, this time would
glitter like a jewel among her treasured memories.
        there was no music; that was true.  but none was needed.  the
merry sound of their laughter echoed off the mountains in a ringing
chorus, and the tenderness of their love for one another swirled about
them, filling the steps of their unaccompanied dance with a rhythm and
grace of the purest kind.  and as the sun sank slowly behind the trees in
the distance, it was enough.

(this is on the web, along with the opening bit that was cut, at
http://members.xoom.com/cornflakegrl/xena/igscroll9.html.)

        battle on,
        shanie
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* "a long time ago, i accepted the consequences of our life together, that
it might one day come to this.  it has.  i'm not afraid."
* "you've always said that i was the brave one.  look at you now.  if this
is to be our destiny, let's see it out together."
        -- gabrielle and xena, in "one against an army"

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being a relative newcomer to ig, i have just got hold of and watched =
"watershed"...........all i can say is wow!  (thank you cdnow - you have =
no idea how hard it is to come by in the uk!!)

i have never seen them in concert but now i cannot wait for the new =
album to come out so they start touring so i can catch them.
the "galileo" video is excellent......i'd only ever seen the "closer to =
fine" vid on mtv before.

anyhow, it reminded me of when i first heard "power of two" and thought =
emily was singing.." now the pork and larder's empty".........yeah, yeah =
i know, it makes no sense to me even now!!!!

thought i'd share this with you all! have a very happy easter break!!!

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the first time my friends heard power of 2, they heard "tulie suitcase"
instead of two day suitcase!!!!  they kept asking me, "what's a tulie
suitcase?"

        "when i first heard "power of two" and thought emily was
singing.." now the pork and larder's empty"

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hi,

does anyone know if those crazy swinging ladies will be playing the
michigan womyn's festival this year?  i tried to check both the ig epic
site and the mwf for info, but couldn't get into either - what a
surprise.  maybe they don't know the lineup yet - could it be too early?

elaine

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please remove my name from the ig mailing list.  thank you!

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please remove my name from the indigo girls mailing list. thank you.

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okay, just wanted to start out by saying i hope everyone is having a
wonderful day today.  here in scranton pa, it is a beautiful 75 degrees.
:)
  quick question first:  my friends and i would like to go to the
norfolk festival.  how would we go about getting tickets (we are in pa),
do they sell them via ticketmaster, or do we have to trek down to va.
also, when do tickets go on sale.  we want to get them for the day the
girls are there.  any help you can give would be greatly appreciated!!
  ok - meaningful songs - the songs that spring to mind for me are:
closer to fine, get out the map, mystery, and kind friend.
  hey kind friend:  i was having a really rough spring/summer last year
- fighting with my roommate and having problems at work - generally
depressed.  my best friend, ash, and i were out to lunch and we were
listening to the girls.  hey kind friend came on and she looked at me
and sang "hey kind friend, i don't know when i'm going to see you again,
it's ok friend...i'll wait for you dear friend."  made me realize that i
wasn't being fair to her and every time i hear that song i can see her
singing it to me.
  closer to fine:  the first card i ever sent to ash to cheer her up, i
wrote the lines: "i'm trying to tell you something about my life, maybe
give me insight between black and white.  the best thing you've ever
done for me, is to help me take my life less seriously, it's only life
after all."  the card and lyrics were to let her know how much her being
in my life and how much her friendship has changed me and given me a new
outlook on my life.
  get out the map:  listened to it over and over while we were driving
to philly for a weekend get-away, and on the way back, we heard about
the camden, nj lilith fair.  got tix and it was the first time ash and i
saw the indigo girls.  now everytime i go on a trip, i bring sots for
that song.

  mystery:  unfor. things didn't work out with my roommate and me and i
moved last aug. to "get away" for a year.  i'm up in the country now,
and driving down those long dirt roads in the aug. air, i would listen
to mystery since it described ash and my relationship around the time i
left.  "each time you'd pull down the driveway i wasn't sure when i
would see you again, yours was a twisted blind-sided highway, now matter
which road you took then (to me)"  and this was about her "you like the
taste of danger it shines like sugar on your lips.  you like to stand in
the line of fire, just so you can shoot straight from the hips.  there
must be a 1000 things you would die for, when i can hardly think of two,
but not everything is better spoken aloud, not when i'm talking to
you..."
  and of course, "our song" is back together again".

  mis-sung lyrics for me would be:
  loved you best born of your stories (lotk)
  does it stem like the hymns of 1000 years (mystery)
  laying down from typhoon winds (hkf)

  and so many countless other songs.

  hope i didn't bore everyone too much. lol
  later


  steph
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hi all again

i was looking through the 1200 curfews cd when it suddenly occurred to =
me that there wasn't, and never has been any booklet/sleeve notes in =
it......should there be ?  i bought it when on holiday in the us so i =
can't really take it back!!:)

if so, is it possible for someone to scan theirs and send me a copy or =
let me know where i can get hold of one. thanks!!!

cheers

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never been one to post a "me too" post but everything below pretty much fits
what i was going to say to a t, except nowadays i am happy and relatively
healthy (must......exercise).  i remember hearing that song and just playing
it over and over burying myself in the lyrics.  unfortunately, at that time,
music could become a catalyst for some of my self-destructive behavior and i
really had to learn to dissociate its power over me with my love of it.  kid
fears from that same era would do the same thing.  and ghost, whenever i was
in a breakup with a lover.  now i can listen to songs like these and enjoy
the raw intensity without feeling the need to add to my scar collection.  my
best wishes to others who have traveled the same path as i.

ryan

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> mine would definitely be blood and fire... i first heard it during a
> time of turmoil when i was really hurting after a breakup and was
> entertaining thoughts of suicide and had begun experimenting with
> self-inflicted pain via sharp instruments... ("i have spent nights with
> matches and knives").  anyway i realized that if amy felt that way and
> she got through it (this was sometime just after swamp o came out), then
> maybe i could get through it too.  and here i am, not necessarily happy
> and healthy but i've given up playing with sharp things and acquiring
> scars.
>

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i don't recall seeing this posted to the list.  forgive me if it is a repeat:

los angeles times march 29, 1999, monday, home edition


u.s., cuban musicians jam in havana; concert: first performance in capital
in 40 years of singers from both nations draws 5,000.

alisa valdes-rodriguez, times staff writer

the cubans may have lost their baseball game against the baltimore orioles
on sunday afternoon, but it didn't matter much that night at the karl marx
theater, where american and cuban musicians were also brought together here
for the first time in 40 years--only in this case, they were all playing
for the same team, in concert.

as dozens of cubans milled about outside the theater, hoping to be allowed
in, 5,000 of their well-dressed compatriots attended the invitation-only
concert, which featured u.s. musicians such as bonnie raitt, the indigo
girls and montell jordan, and such cuban artists as jose maria vitier,
chucho valdes, isaac delgado and giraldo piloto. the concert was the final
showcase for songs co-written by cuban and american musicians as part of a
weeklong collaboration called "music bridges."

the exchange was the fifth such event organized by woodland hills
songwriter alan roy scott--a soft-spoken, gentle man who genuinely believes
music has the power to unite cultures and people. it marked the first time
in nearly 40 years that musicians from the ideologically opposed nations
separated by 90 miles of ocean have written songs together with the
blessings of both governments.

the first number, a group rendition of paul simon's "bridge over troubled
water," led by r&b singer brenda russell, was as sentimental as a middle
school slow dance, but the evening quickly perked up with the third song of
the night, "saint elixer," in which indigo girl amy ray's powerful vocal
purring was nicely matched with cuban singer luis de la cruz's more
ethereal sound.

though there were many big names from the rock world of decades past,
including mick fleetwood and jimmy buffett, the undisputed american stars
of the show sunday night were two relative newcomers, both of them hip-hop
artists: montell jordan and michael franti.

the crowd, sort of a who's-who of cuban power, was polite but seemingly
uninspired until the collaborations between jordan and the beach-blond
leader of the cuban dance group synthesis, carlos alfonso. "walking on
sunshine," a reggae-flavored love song, got the audience dancing.

but it was jordan's second offering, a ballad called "unlonely," that
proved him to be a thoughtful, gymnastic vocalist. performing only with
alfonso's piano as backing, jordan won the crowd over with his showmanship
and his heartfelt lyrics about seeing a sad-looking man on the streets of
cuba who "looks a lot like me."

but the most profound, insightful and daring of the night's lyrics were
those written by franti, a socially conscious rapper who heads the group
spearhead. his song, "can't stop the bus," was the result of franti's
unauthorized wanderings about the streets of havana in search of
inspiration, and the lyrics spoke of the frustration he saw in the eyes of
cuban citizens who are crammed onto buses, forbidden to enter fancy hotels
and beaches.

"you can't see it, but you can feel it," he started the song by rapping.
"it's coming, y'all." what followed was an incisive stream of consciousness
in which franti compared current cuba to an out-of-control bus, in which
the people will eventually "go home in disgust until tomorrow's bus comes.
. . . there's a new day coming in cuba, y'all, another bus is on the way,"
he sang.

as franti sang in english, communist party members danced to the beat,
seemingly unaware that franti was voicing political opposition to their
government.

unfortunately, not all of the collaborations were as sharp and interesting.
"if you go," a two-chord vamp written by gary burr, don was and cesar
portillo, was lukewarm. "i wanna make love to the music," with mick
fleetwood as lead singer, was passe and tedious enough to set the crowd to
chatting. buffett, who annoyed musicians from both countries by arriving
late, demanding the presidential suite at the hotel nacional and missing
rehearsals, made a surprise appearance on the song, but his presence added
little.

other scheduled performances included a collaboration between cuban artists
rey guerra and pablo menendez with raitt and actor-cum-musician woody
harrelson, and another between kiki corona, chucho valdes, lisa loeb and
gary bartz.

at the halfway point of the concert, nearly all of the songs had lyrics in
english, and there was very little of the traditional, and complex, cuban
rhythms to be heard. this probably was due to the superior training of the
cuban musicians--a fact noted in several jam sessions throughout the week.

nonetheless, all cuban and american musicians interviewed have said they
were very satisfied with their creative efforts of the past week. indeed,
watching the well-intentioned, if a little naive, hugs and smiles onstage,
it was hard not to be happy for everyone here.

according to cuban singer amaury perez, who helped organize the event,
"it's been a beautiful experience."


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i have a friend who is a member of wolf trap so she gets ticket info and the
opportunity to buy tix way earlier than the general public. today she found
out that ani will be at wolf trap on june 14th (natalie merchant too but i
don't know the date). i'm not sure when tix go on sale to the general public,
but i would definitely keep my eyes and ears open...

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reply-to:     mónica castillo <110134.125@compuserve.com>
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from:         mónica castillo <110134.125@compuserve.com>
subject:      nigc digest format
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thanks to everybody. problem solved.

monica

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date:         wed, 31 mar 1999 17:03:41 est
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subject:      nigc:  daemon artist question (ejs or bfe)
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hello!!

i was just checking out the new daemon site, and was wondering if any of ya'll
had any input on what cd i should buy:  i am stuck between ellen james society
and big fish ensemble.  any comments would be helpful.

~thanks!

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