lifeblood: listlogs: 1999-07b

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date:         wed, 7 jul 1999 17:37:54 -0700
reply-to:     ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
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the things that just really chaps my a** on this issue is we law-abiding,
taxpaying citizens cannot legally marry our intended yet murderers such as
lyle menedez can....

what's up with that?

ryan blackhawke
owner - fremont hemp co
(206)632-hemp
http://www.fremonthemp.com

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from: rebecca lyon <beccie@websunshine.com>
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sent: wednesday, july 07, 1999 4:02 pm
subject: re: gay marriages

> this is not a flame but more of a "huh ???"

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date:         wed, 7 jul 1999 17:32:05 -0700
reply-to:     ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
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my message below
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from: julie fiore <adia1001@juno.com>

> ok -- i can already feel the flames from this one -- don"t kill me, but
> the sheer definition of the word marriage, as stated by webster's new
> dictionary is as follows:
> +++the institution under which a man and a woman become
> legally united on a permanent basis.+++
> so therefore, by definition, same sex "marriages" do not exist.

didn't webster finally start changing definitions of words that no longer
fit the times? i believe so. it happens all the time and webster was behind
on that. it is only a matter of time before they change this one as well.
and has been pointed out, marriage often has different meanings depending on
what book you read. do you often believe the very first thing you read? or
do you have enough of an analytical mind to do some critical thinking for
yourself?

you can
> call your sacred commitments to each other anything you want

gee, thanks for your permission. didn't know i needed it.

> -- but until
> you change the actual meaning of the word, it's literally not possible.

we already are changing the meaning of the word so i guess that blows your
thesis out of the water.

> besides, why do you need a title to make you happy with the one you have
> chosen to love?

legal marriage isn't about happiness. it is about contractual terms and
obligations. according to legal marriage alliance, there are more than 130
rights and responsibilities associated with legal marriage. they deal with
everything from property rights to probate to tax status (yeah, i want to be
able to file jointly so we can pay more taxes....go figure). if something
happens to my wife, there is a very good possibility her family will step in
and deny me access to support her. and there is a very good possibility
that the $500+ we are spending to draw up all the paperwork to cover such
things would be challenged in court. and the only reason i have insurance is
because my wife's employer is very generous in offering domestic partnership
benefits.

> you know what's in your hearts -- and you know that some
> people can and will never quite understand it. be happy knowing you have
> someone to spend life with, and don't waste time with what name society
> gives your partnership. what do they know, anyways?

what society calls my relationship is very important in legal matters. i
really don't care what they think about the personal, spiritual aspect of my
relationship.

ryan blackhawke
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date:         wed, 7 jul 1999 21:08:38 -0400
reply-to:     rebecca lyon <beccie@websunshine.com>
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it is a basic security issue that is being discussed here.

the gay community is often perceived as promiscuous when we are simply doing
the dating and experimental things that straight people get to do in their
teens, in our 20s.  we don't get to go to the prom with our high school
sweetheart, we dont have that classic moment of playing spin the bottle at
parties or making out in the back seat of our parents car because, the basic
institution of marriage and all of those forms of "relationships"  are not
sanctioned for us.
    i would love to be able to live in a world where there had never been a
thought given to my walking arm in arm down the street with a lovely woman
on my arm, my face cuddled in to the crook of her shoulder as she describes
and points out the little things she sees as we walk, not that i the rebel
have never done this, but to not be afraid of violence or losing my job
because someone saw me out with my lover would be like heaven.  and to those
of you on the list who are straight, please know that i have nothing against
straight people at all,  i just sometimes really wish that you guys would
step back and put yourself in my world for a day or two. it might change
your mind about how this world treats us due to who we love.  love is not
some evil nor straight only institution, and neither is gay marriage, it is
something that we all should be able to enter into freely and with out
giving it a second thought once we find our soul mate in this life.   to
walk down the isle with my dad on my arm giving me away and having all my
relative gathered around me in support of my union is a wonderful dream, but
because marriage is only sanctioned for straight couples,  it is something
that i will never experience while i am awake.
    life is more than just a serious day to day existence, it is a constant
struggle to realize the dream of equality and hopefully one day i will be
able to answer the "so what did you do this weekend?" question with out all
of the proper pronouns and watchful responses because it wont matter to my
coworkers and straight friends that i share my life with a woman instead of
a man. .....some day i'll wish upon a star and wake up where the sky is far
behind me....yes i know, i have wondered into melancholy,  i will stop now
and leave you to ponder this for the moment.

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peace love & indigo light

beccie lyon

you are a part of the world
you got learn to touch.......to feel
and know that you are real
you, you , you are a part of the world

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date:         wed, 7 jul 1999 21:22:19 edt
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hey y'all

i know this is nigc but i felt it kind of sort of went along with our
discussion of gay marriage.  today i just began recieving college
applications in the mail.  i am entering my senior year of high school.  the
one thing i have noticed on each and every application i have recieved is
that it asked for "name of mother" and "name of father."  now i know that at
my little private conservative  high school, they ask for "name of parent or
legal gardian" and "name of second parent or legal gardian."  so if i had two
mothers or two fathers, one would have to enter my college record under the
incorrect sex or be omitted completely?  i don't think that should happen.
or maybe it's just me...

a pissed off,
rae

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date:         wed, 7 jul 1999 21:48:37 -0400
reply-to:     neil <neily@netreach.net>
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me again :o)

<<so if i had two mothers or two fathers, one would have to enter my college
record under the incorrect sex or be omitted completely? i don't think that
should happen. or maybe it's just me...>>

if it were me, i'd just use white out and change it.
let's face it, like it or not at the moment most people have a mother and/or
a father. way most people.

lots of things in life are assumed, and this is a far more valid assumption
than most things. for example:

auto boots (that's trunks for those real americans). the ones that have
off-centre locks all have them on the right hand side because it's assumed
that the owner will be right handed. because most people are. leftism is
rife in this world, as any sinister people out there will know.

another example of related phenomena:
while i was still in england, a popular supplemental form for job
applications is an ethnic background (for statistical equal opportunities
analysis). basically you get to (voluntarily) pick what best describes you
from something like:

black african; black caribbean; black other; asian chinese; asian indian;
asian pakistani; asian bangladeshi; asian other; (etc.); white.

everyone is prejudiced to some extent to pretty much every group on some
level. for example example i am prejudiced against:
suv drivers; major record labels; squidgy food.
i'm comfortable with these. some of my other prejudices i'm not, and i guess
that's the first step to overcoming them.

back to the original point - if someone spells my name wrong (neill, neal,
niel, and only a few people can call me neily without it grating upon my
soul) i get over it. it's not a big deal. so father / mother. not a big
deal, if it's wrong, cross it out and change it - it's a valid assumption,
get on with the bigger things in life.

shutting up now (but ready to defend self if necessary - y'all please tell
me if i'm being a jerk, it's nice to know these things...)

peace (and more of that nummy ice-cream...)

neil
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'in gabrial's garden'
song of the week: "jerry springer" by wierd al

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date:         wed, 7 jul 1999 22:07:29 -0400
reply-to:     susan <ohsusanna@sugar-river.net>
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toye inquired:

><< state where gay marriage is legal. >>

and alice answered:

>gay marriages are legal minnesota.
not true. actual marriage between two people of the same sex is not legally
recognized in any state in america...yet. there are two states that have
come closest, hawaii (where a referendum voted on last year resulted in a
defeat of a gay marriage initiative) and vermont (where the gay marriage
issue is pending a vote in late 1999 in the state supreme court)...but it's
not actually legal anywhere yet.

there are plenty of cities and states (like massachusetts) which recognize
legal domestic partnerships *for state and municipal employees*...that's
very different than recognizing gay marriage as legal! the rights and
protections thereby granted generally donot extend beyond the limits of
that city/state

we have much work to do friends! keep writing your sentors and stay on top
of what is happening in your state. the 'freedom to marry" coalition has a
website....updates can be found there

sus

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 01:01:30 edt
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in the netherlands, lesbians can adopt, but not gay men... there was
something in the works to change that in early january, though. not sure if
it went through.
jill

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 05:21:31 gmt
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anyone ever heard of laurie geltman?  she's a boston area singer-songwriter
who kind of sounds like melissa etheridge.  the following info is from her
email update.  if you're in the area, check this show out, it sounds
incredible.

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a very special show being recorded for future cd!
reserve/order your tickets at 617-492-7679 or order at their website (see
below)

recorded live:
sunday, july 11
club passim  <http://www.clubpassim.com>
47 palmer st. cambridge (harvard sq.; behind the coop and across from border
cafe)
7:30 p.m.
special openers:  acoustic girls circle (marilyn d'amato/nini camps/trina
hamlin)  amazing singer-songwriters/performers from nyc.  their set time is
7:30pm.
tickets are $12.00

special guests: this is the first and last time i'm announcing all the
players...only to the email list...so you heard it here first!

patty barkas (vocals)
mike castellana (pedal steel)
dinty child (pump organ, accordion, mandocello, vocals)
jim fitting (harmonica)
trina hamlin (vocals, harmonica)
brian karp (bass)
suzi lee (accordion)
mike rivard (upright bass)
jimmy ryan (mandolin, vocals)
ken schopf (drums)
ramona silver (vocals, pump organ)

stay tuned on wers 88.9 on friday at 7:30 a.m. and on wumb 91.9 for live
interviews and performances. vocalist patty barkas may be accompanying me
on the wumb interview. she sings on "ghost in the house" and "red, green,
black & blue" on the cd no power steering and has sung with peter wolf to
bentmen to greg greenway: one of boston's best and most versatile vocalists.

the show on sunday night will be broadcast on
http://www.radioboston.com , a new and exciting internet radio station
playing boston and new england music around the world. they will be set up
at the show and you can tune in if you can't
make the show. you can also email your comments while it's going
on...please do and let us know what you think.

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 01:32:38 edt
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this is mentioned in an awesome book i just finished.  it's called passages
of pride.  true stories of lesbian and gay teenagers.  it has "true stories"
from the teens along with the occasional interview from a parent and
interludes and side bar with more technical and psychological information....
it was very cool :)  just thought i'd share :)
jill

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 01:48:33 edt
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gosh i'm talkitive today!, but i just wanted to add my .02.  didn't our
country decide that separate but equal was unconstitutional and just plain
didn't work back in the 60's?  so lets just say that gay marriages are
legalized, but are called domestic partnerships or unions or whatever, or
even given the clarifer "gay."  that makes them separate and then inherently
unequal.  personally, i feel that it's not just a matter of saying
partnership is close enough, or being picky and insisting on it being called
a marriage.  it's a necessity.
just my thoughts,
jill

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 09:33:31 +0200
reply-to:     britta graeber <brgr@stud.uni-sb.de>
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hi all,

if you like lilith artists, you also like jess weiser's debut cd. go ahead
and check it out - now! great acoustic music. for sound samples go to:

go to: http://www.cdbaby.com/buy/weiser.htm

i ordered from cdbaby and i received my copy with breathtaking speed.
besides, it's only $10 - your chance to support independent young artists :-)

britta
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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 08:15:31 -0500
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>you are a part of the world
>you got learn to touch.......to feel
>and know that you are real
>you, you , you are a part of the world
>
>bob dylan - all along the watch tower as sung by amy ray straight from her
>soul!!!!

actually, these lines don't appear in dylan's lyrics. amy made 'em up!
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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 08:20:15 -0500
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from:         sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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>the gay community is often perceived as promiscuous.....

i have been with my partner for almost twenty years. she is my one and
only romantic partner.
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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 08:22:19 -0500
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how about those surveys that give the following options for marital status:

single, never married
widowed
divorced
seperated
married

none of those fit me! i suppose technically, i'd fall into the first
category, but that's not what i feel like.
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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 07:23:53 -0700
reply-to:     beccie lyon <dovesland@yahoo.com>
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from:         beccie lyon <dovesland@yahoo.com>
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ouch point taken guys, i will change the sig on my
computer at home.....damn....i am glad i dont have any
major problems with my posts....i would hate to see
the email from that....

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peace, love & indigo light
beccie lyon

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your expectations for the road ahead
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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 09:31:14 -0500
reply-to:     sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
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i just wanted everyone to know that my recent replies to beccie's posts
were not meant to be personal attacks. i feel really bad that i hurt her.
i'll try to be less quick on the trigger next time. sometimes i just fire
away without thinking.
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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 16:15:14 gmt
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subject:      voices on the verge (npgc, nmmc, ndhc, nigc)
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hey all in the midwest:

pack up the campers and get ready--this is one concert expereience y'all
don't want to miss! voices on the verge (aka: rose polenzani, erin mckeown,
jess klein and beth amsel) will be hitting the midwest for four shows,
starting next weekend:

july 16 (friday) @ 9pm uncommon ground, chicago (773) 929-3680
july 17 (saturday) @7pm house concert, indianapolis
july 18 (sunday) @7:30pm front porch music, valparaiso (219) 464-4700
july 20 (tuesday) antioch college, yellow springs, oh *free show!*

for more info about any of the shows, you can check rose polenzani's website
(www.rosepolenzani.com). heck, even if you can't come to the shows, you
should check out her website, because, well, she rocks, and is one of the
most unique and interesting songwriters i've ever heard.

now back to your regularly scheduled programs...

shel

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 13:13:58 -0400
reply-to:     "karen, the 'raging' feminist" <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
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from:         "karen, the 'raging' feminist" <s00.krosenblum@wittenberg.edu>
subject:      re: [indigogirls] voices on the verge (npgc, nmmc, ndhc, nigc)
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damn!  why is it that i have to be out of town from the 15th till the
20th?  i miss all the good stuff -- first michelle malone (last spring).
dar williams is playing 10 minutes from my house this august -- 2 days
after i leave for japan!  and carrie newcomer is playing in chicago as
well as richard shindell.  will i get to see any of these fine acts?  nope
no no.  oh well, i'll stop whinning, at least i get to see the indigo
girls at lilith!

:-) karen

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 10:17:01 -0700
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appology humbly and lovingly accepted darlin, i might
have been a little quick on the draw myself too, i
love ya honey.

also, i just wanted to send out a big warm fuzzy to
the entire list for helping me through this sickness,
the smiles and laughter i have gained from the posts
while i was down has helped me to begin to recover,
even though i was not able to respond for a while,
just reading the daily banter makes me feel all
wonderful inside and jilly honey your returning has
really made my spirits soar...besides now that ig is
coming to cinci, i have to get better to be able to go
and hopfully meet the girls...got to look good when i
finally meet amy you know, not like some war camp
refugee.....no offense to her current g/f....tee
hee....it is just the true fem in me coming out to
play....oh well, we will see how it goes.... you guys
take it easy and know that we are a part of the
world...
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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 13:39:35 edt
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i ran across an old article about the indigo girls... from sept of 97, but
regardless worth reading!
http://weeklywire.com/ww/09-29-97/nash_music-lede.html

good day,
trooper

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people,  from those of you who have responded to my initial comment, i
get the feeling you probably think i'm some insensitive, closed-minded
conservative straight gal who doesn't think you deserve the same rights.
i do believe you -- but the fact is, gay unions are not biologically the
same as hetero unions.  society is not going to let you use this term.
what so many of you do not understand is if you want to combat society,
you have to do it on society's terms.  the following e-mail sums up what
i was thinking and what i really meant -- thank you, neil.
on wed, 7 jul 1999 19:51:34 -0400 neil <neily@netreach.net> writes:
>the trouble is, while i think there should be such an institution for
>gay
>people, i just can't see it being called a marriage. marriage is such
>a
>symbol of man+woman, that, i don't know, something just doesn't seem
>right
>about using the word for anything other. not that i have any answers
>(although union + united always seem like they could be kinda
>romantic).
>
>but,  see, on the other hand i don't have anything against the use of
>husband and wife within a homosexual context. to me lesband just
>sounds,
>well, crap (too gimicky and contrived).
>

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ulie fiore wrote:

> what so many of you do not understand is if you want to combat society,
> you have to do it on society's terms.

no, society changes because certain things within that society demand
change, and a certain faction of society works to elicit and demand that
change take place.  someone already mentioned
blacks/segregation/minority rights - perfect example.  a faction of
"society" would not tolerate second class treatment and demanded
equality within the law.  "society" changed because of it.  (sure, i
know that discrimination still exists, but look at the changes achieved)
change comes about from "action", not from sitting back because you
don't want to ruffle the feathers of certain people of the "society" .
and for the record, i don't think you are insensitive.

elaine

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some have said that marriage is a man-woman thing and that heterosexual
marriages are biologically different than homosexual unions.

the current notion of marriage isn't just about love. it's also about
procreation and economics. and there are probably a number of other
reasons as well.

marriage and laws concerning marriage are always changing, even though
the process often seem slow.  take for example the following:  it wasn't
until the late 1960s that interractial marriages were legal in every
state in the u.s.  for people who resisted that change, marriage was a
white-white thing, not a black-white thing.  there have been times and
places where the notion of choosing one's own marriage partner seems
unthinkable.  during the history of the u.s. this has certainly been
true.  and there are cultures where mate selection is still not an
individual choice.

in the 1960s, sociologist/anthropologist margaret mead made some pretty
valid and rational proposals concerning marriage.  she thought that there
should be two types of marriage.  the first type would be focused on
love/companionship.  basically, this union would be a couple with no
children.  such a union would receive some economic benefits, and divorce
would be easier for this type of union.  the second type would be focused
on having/adopting/raising children.  this union would have more economic
benefits, and divorce would be more difficult to obtain.  mead's
suggestion seem to get at the root of what marriage is about for most
people:  love, child-rearing, and economics.  if mead's notions were
realized, it seems that maybe gay marriage wouldn't be such an issue.
(although, unfortunately, gay and lesbian parenting and adoption would
have to be tackled in order for gay marriages to fall under the second
type of marriage.)

also, any and every society is fallible. what makes a society great is
when it can willing recognize it's errors and then work to change.

tradition is so easy to follow.  it's comfortable, it's familiar.  but
what's most disturbing about tradition is that it often prevents us from
critically evaluating it's validity.  tradition is often surrounded by
such immensity that we think "tradition" is synonymous with "the way
things have been since the beginning of time."  this misconception is
what makes tradition so dangerous.

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>people, from those of you who have responded to my
>initial comment, i
>get the feeling you probably think i'm some
>insensitive, closed-minded
>conservative straight gal who doesn't think you deserve >the same rights.

as i've always said, "what people think of me is none of my business."
therefore, what i think of you is none of yours unless i care to share it.

>i do believe you -- but the fact is, gay unions are not >biologically the
same as hetero unions.

men are not biologically the same as women. i am not biologically the same
as my sister or brothers. what is your point here?

>society is not going to let you use this term.

in case you haven't noticed, society changes all the time. are blacks still
called coloreds?

>what so many of you do not understand is if you want to >combat society,
>you have to do it on society's terms.

we don't want to combat society. we want to be considered a part of society.
why don't you understand that? and i know there are probably those on this
list who have been in the struggle for equal rights alot longer than i have
with my 12+ years of semi-activism. it sounds like you think that we should
just shut up and be happy with some sort of "separate but equal" class.
didn't work in the 50's and 60's so why do you think it would work now? do
you realize how alot of our civil rights are eventually won? it is generally
through the court system because legislators are only interested in
maintaining the status quo. go check out about 30 years ago when the
miscegenation laws were finally struck down (laws banning inter-racial
marriage). in fact, go look at the arguments used back then. "society will
never accept you wanting to marry your black boyfriend so why can't you just
live together peacefully and quit raising such a ruckus?"

btw, there are alot of same-sex couples currently legally married. it
generally involves a transsexual who married someone legally and then went
for srs. if they die, their spouse would still be able to get widow's
benefits, pension, and anything else legally entitled to a spouse.

and no one as of yet can explain to me why a convicted murderer has a right
to get married while in prison (and never getting out of prison unless it is
in a body bag) yet i can't marry my wife. what is this taking away from the
"institution" of marriage? i think that the murderers getting married in
prison tend to tarnish the "reputation" of this institution much more than a
queer couple who live their lives in quasi-marital bliss ever could. is
marriage some commodity of which there is only a limited supply so it must
be protected from the minorities? if so, then divorce better be outlawed!
isn't bob barr (the greatest trampler of human rights there is in congress)
giving marriage a bad rep being on his 4th one?

i think y'all need help restoring the sanctity and reputation of marriage
and you should be welcoming the idea of long-term couples wanting to get
married.

ryan

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 15:26:19 -0400
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there is a good story about the supreme court case in vermont regarding
gay marriage on the ap wire today:

http://www.newsday.com/ap/rnmpnt0z.htm

scott antall
ssa@mail.aphanet.org

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there are 5 messages totalling 198 lines in this issue.

topics of the day:

  1. thanks and boot request and on ig on mtv
  2. strange bird cassette
  3. independent albums
  4. thanks y'all
  5. so...i wonder......

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date: thu, 1 jul 1999 20:44:11 edt
from: dorothy001@aol.com
subject: thanks and boot request and on ig on mtv

hi everyone! thanks so much for all your response about songs that
represent
ig's styles!! you are so awesome!!!

let me be greedy one more time, does anyone can make me a cd copy of the
9:30
club boot from 8/10/98 which includes the cut it out + wish you were
here? i
was told there's one out there. my tape version starts to sound really
scratchy from playing it so many times.

it makes me mad when people only think of ig when they think of
lesbians.
people always thought i'm gay when they find out i love ig. they should
mention ig when they think of great musicians!!!

thanks y'all

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date: thu, 1 jul 1999 22:38:05 edt
from: kim fotheringham <indigokaj@aol.com>
subject: strange bird cassette

any michelle malone fans who have the strange bird cassette
     i tried to order it from her site and it is no longer available
from
there.  i was wondering if somebody would be kind enough to make a copy
for
me.  i would be willing to discuss trade or something, or just sending a
tape
or a check for the cost of the tape.  please respond just to me, not to
the
list since this is not truly ig content.  sorry to any of you who feel i
have
wasted list space.
                                                :-)
                                                                     kim

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date: fri, 2 jul 1999 11:46:14 -0500
from: elizabeth white <eaw@ghg.net>
subject: re: independent albums

> date:    thu, 1 jul 1999 19:50:15 edt
> from:    tina harkness
> subject: independent albums
>
> does anybody know of a place on the internet where you could buy the
girls
> independent albums??  or other indie artists??
>
>

well, being an independent artist myself i just had to respond to this.
: ) there's some pretty great support these days for indie artists, and
the ones i'm going to list are just a few of the many who sell indie
music.

http://www.rahul.net/hrmusic/index.html  -- harmony ridge
http://www.cdbaby.com/ -- cd baby
http://www.secondfret.com/  -- independent musicians marketplace
http://www.independentsongwriter.com/  -- independent songwriter web
magazine
http://www.iuma.com/ -- internet underground music archive

and thanks to all of you who support indie music by your purchases and
your word of mouth. we depend on you to keep the music alive, and
really appreciate all you do to help us grow and succeed as indie
artists.

peace~

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date: fri, 2 jul 1999 13:24:29 edt
from: chance0631@aol.com
subject: thanks y'all

a short poem, life lesson, all ig lyrics - lynn

here is a writer who has no voice
it's awful quiet here since love fell asleep
i just sit around the house and resist
maybe i was wrong

now i'm living honestly
i come with a softer answer
loving moves from the inside out

i'm trying to tell you something about my life
don't assume anything
it's only life afterall

i'm looking for a sacred hand
or possibly a friend
i make an offering of love

i'm not scared
by the fire in my blood
i don't care anymore

this ain't my home
this train is bound for glory
don't stand aside

what makes me think i could start clean slated
loving never grows tired
when i tried to make it more it was always less

do you belong to the human race
i said go, go, go
and i just wont go

don't stand aside
loving never grows tired
thanks y'all

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date: fri, 2 jul 1999 18:01:54 edt
from: oyster toadfish <chickenwomyn@hotmail.com>
subject: so...i wonder......

wow, its been awhile since i've listened to my ig cd's (i've been
listeneing
to new cd's and stuff i got from the library.....)....wow, i missed
that!
anyway....
anyone have any idea is the girls would have been in michigan a week ago
or
so?  i hope its not too intrusive to wonder....see, one of my future
roomates *swears* they came into the old navy she works at.....
she's not a big fan, so she'd not be totally sure of what they'd look
like
maybe...but she'd also not hallucinate it or something, like a crazed
fan
like i would (of couse i guess i haven't but still....).
of course, i can't think of any reason they *would* be in michigan,
unless
they were recording for acoustic cafe in ann arbor (but that dosn't
explain
why they'd be in a mall in a detroit suburb), or maybe they were at a
motown
sort of recording studio?  i'm sure detroit has studios....but that
means
they've gone to a lot of places for recording.....
anyway....she looked up pictures later and she's almost sure....
but *why* , cuz i wouldn't be reporting a sighting if it was atlanta
area or
something....(like i'd know....)......
i suppose if it was, it had to do w/ recording, cuz they were
together.....
and its probably harder to come across *2* look-alikes together (ahh,
remember the look alikes?)......
so anyway....ooh, maybe that means there will be a really soulful
sounding
song on the new record?   r & b sorta or motowny....how interesting!

also....i had an ig dream!! sorta....
well, ok, so i was riding motorcycles w/ my old high school marching
band
announcer (mr klienhenz for whomener cares, and i bet jill dosn't even
know
his name so noone does), and some jerk comes up and stars kicking his
bike
and stuff then he follows me back to my house where everybody loves the
jerk
who kicks bikes and i hate him and i wanna call the police, but then i
realise its time for me to head out to go to pick up my friend for the
janis
ian concert but i had to stop at a graduation party first so i stop
there
and while there my motorcycle somehow breaks down at the party and i
feel
bad cuz i'm gonna miss the lovely janis and i will be (accidently)
blowing
off my friend, but then i find out that the indigo girls are playing at
this
graduation party and i feel so bad and i'm fighting guilt cuz i'm
missing
janis and my friend but dammit, the girls are right there on this
person's
porch so i should be elated and besides, this is a smaller venue for
soemthing they're used to so...and i can't leave anyway.....
but i hurt my neck watching cuz it was a really high porch.....

yeah but i think i woke up right around the time they played.....

that was a bit non-punctuational.....
oh well, its weird for a few reasons, 1) i don't have a motorcycle, and
i
doubt mr klienhenz does either, 2) *why* would i be hanging out w/ my
old
band announcer, i dunno...his wife looks like weird al yankovic
though......
3)we were on the highway when that guy started bullying us, and i dunno
how
we ended up in the median w/ this jerk picking on us....it just
happened....
thats enough resons, but at least i saw janis ian for real a few days
later!!!! that was wonderful fun!! janis ian is so nice and amazing!
yea!
carol

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 15:44:38 edt
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hey y'all,

haven't posted for a while, but just wanted to take a quick moment to say to
everyone how much this list has meant to me since i joined two years ago.
and to ask for all of your good wishes and "break a legs" - tomorrow, i
simultaneously turn 40 and open a production of fefu and her friends by maria
irene fornes. haven't been on stage for a while, so i'm a little wigged.

the play is being produced by echo theatre which is a small, feminist theatre
here in dallas, tx, of which i am a co-founder and amy ray is a founding
donor. so wish us love, light, big audiences, broken legs, and all things
indigo!!

thanks and peace,

pam in dallas

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 14:43:03 pdt
reply-to:     tricia juettemeyer <tjuett@hotmail.com>
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. and to those
>of you on the list who are straight, please know that i have nothing
>against
>straight people at all, i just sometimes really wish that you guys would
>step back and put yourself in my world for a day or two. it might change
>your mind about how this world treats us due to who we love.

this seems to be a slightly rash and unnessecary comment to have put in this
otherwise intelligent and non-defensive email.  i think that of all places,
this list is one of the most accepting places and understanding places
between gay and straight individuals/couples.  "you guys" is a harsh
generalization and i don't wish to be one of those "guys".  i think it's a
much larger issue than putting ourselves in your shoes for one day.  -tricia

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 18:02:46 edt
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i was wondering this while reading all of the other comments centered among
gay marriage. i could see people possibly flaming me, but do people ever
choose that they prefer being gay instead of gay as in the theory that some
psychologists have that people are bi sexual but tend to lean to one side
more?

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 19:16:24 -0400
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this is kinda old, but i've been gone this week, so it's new to me.  i
don't know where you can find the indigo girls independent albums on the
'net, but you can find indie artists at cdbaby
<http://www.cdbaby.com/>.  i hooked up with some stuff there and as a
result was introduced to the indiegrrl organization.  i would recommend
sam shaber and fellow listee tara's band is also there.

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date:         thu, 8 jul 1999 20:21:33 -0400
reply-to:     neil <neily@netreach.net>
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from:         neil <neily@netreach.net>
subject:      re: gay marriages
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*realising this could go on and on, but reluctant to let things lie...*

was going to go into a huge email (i still could if you really want - and it
may turn into one anyway) about why i thought ryan was too harsh on julie,
but i started at the end first, and realised i shouldn't need to:

<<i think y'all need help restoring the sanctity and reputation of marriage
and you should be welcoming the idea of long-term couples wanting to get
married.>>

but isn't that exactly what she (and i) said??

seems like pretty much everyone on the list is on the same side here. and if
all we disagre on is whether 'marriage' is the right word then isn't that
close enough??

as for a couple of other things (because i don't know when to shut up):

<<biologically (different)... what is your point here?>>

man+woman is not the same an man+man or woman+woman.
straight is not the same as gay or lesbian
from which, my theory:
'marriage' is not the same as 'union (or other word of choice)'

i point to people complaing about false assumptions:
i refer you to my 'lady says "i am married" ' + subsequent assumption
(previously noted).
i hope you see where such a false assumption would be averted.

<<as i've always said, "what people think of me is none of my business."
therefore, what i think of you is none of yours unless i care to share it.>>

but if i am aware i might be being a jerk and indicate i would like to be
told if i have such tendencies.
and you think 'jerk' but say nothing.
then i continue onward, blissfully unaware of my jerkiness.

i want to know what people (those people whose opinions i value) think to
allow me the opportunity of change. after such consideration, however, i may
choose to disregard and/or not care what people think.

i think i've said pretty much everything i need to say (and more), don't
you?

peace and suchlike...

@}--,--'---

date: thu, 8 jul 1999 09:48:13 -0500
from: julie fiore <adia1001@juno.com>
subject: re: gay marriages

hi there julie,

in the spirit of good debate, i'd like to throw in my two cents.

you made the point that "society" doens't let us gay folks use thier
terminology for our unions and that if we want to change it, we have to do
it on "society's" terms. this is one perspective, and it's perfectly valid.
this is what is known in social justice circles as "assimilative" or
"liberal" thinking. i'm not trying to get all wordy and academic, hang with
me for a sec....

some of us don't susbcribe to this philosophy, and believe that we (those
of us in this camp) will do whatever it takes to change/overthrow
prevailing social norms and this is called "radicalism". i consider myself
a radical feminist-- i don't believe that patriarchy is going to change by
working within it and it's paradigms, i believe we need to totally rethink
it and change it *at the core*. similarly, as a radical queer, i believe we
need to challenge and change the previaling hetero paradigms so that all
people---gay and straight--have equal rights, freedoms, and are freed from
restrictive and limiting social norms...like the concept of marriage for
straights only, which puts a lot of pressure on straight people to get
married, and thus, oppresses them too!

some radical feminists are separatist, as are some radical queers (they
believe they should only associate with their kind until the revolution is
over). i'm not a separatist but i mention it again as another possible way
to approach this problem of how to create social change...there are liberal
folks like you, radical folks like me, and separatists like...some other
folks :) see my point? what i'm trying to say is, there's lots of ways to
approach social change. yours is one way, mine is another. diversity makes
the world go round right?

respectfully,

sus

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behalf of neil

<<i think y'all need help restoring the sanctity and reputation of marriage
and you should be welcoming the idea of long-term couples wanting to get
married.>>

but isn't that exactly what she (and i) said??

   seems like pretty much everyone on the list is on the
   same side here. and if all we disagre on is whether
   'marriage' is the right word then isn't that close
   enough??

and i think we've said time and again that it is not enough. separate but
equal not only falls far short of our desired goal, but it was declared
unconstitutional over 4 decades ago. anything short of legal marriage will
still deny us some of the over 130 rights and *responsibilities* associated
with such a union.

<<biologically (different)... what is your point here?>>

   man+woman is not the same an man+man or woman+woman.
   straight is not the same as gay or lesbian
   from which, my theory:
   'marriage' is not the same as 'union (or other word of
   choice)'

well, there are some that would say that black is biologically different
from white is different from asian is different from natives.... and i say
so what? are you going to deny them to marry outside of their respective
races because of those biological differences? that too was declared
unconstitutional in 1969. that has absolutely nothing to do with the issue.
at least you realize that marriage is not the same as union but what you
fail to realize is that union falls far short of the ideal associated with
marriage.

   i point to people complaing about false assumptions:
   i refer you to my 'lady says "i am married" ' +
   subsequent assumption (previously noted).
   i hope you see where such a false assumption would be
   averted.

huh? i have no idea what you are trying to say here.

<<as i've always said, "what people think of me is none of my business."
therefore, what i think of you is none of yours unless i care to share it.>>

   but if i am aware i might be being a jerk and indicate i
   would like to be told if i have such tendencies. and you
   think 'jerk' but say nothing. then i continue onward,
   blissfully unaware of my jerkiness.

not my problem. altho if you were such a jerk, i am sure someone would let
you know.

   i want to know what people (those people whose opinions
   i value) think to allow me the opportunity of change.
   after such consideration, however, i may choose to
   disregard and/or not care what people think.

then what would my opinion on the matter of assumed jerkiness mean to you?
we don't know each other and likely never will. i have no vested interest in
calling you on any jerkiness and you likewise have no vested interest in
listening to my input, hence, what you think of me is none of my business
and vice versa.

i think i've said pretty much everything i need to say (and more), don't
you?

i guess if you just cannot see why settling for a term or condition less
than marriage is unacceptable, then yes, i've said everything i care to say
on the subject.

sorry for the nigc, but i need some help. this is totally random, but i'm
looking for people in the following cities to help answer a few questions:

chicago
seattle
london
atlanta
boston

if you could please e-mail me privately with which city your in. thanks so
much!!!!

cheers,
l'sly

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does anybody know if the girls could be coming to charlotte with lf???

that would be great!!!

let it be me
tina

        just wondering if anyone out there is going to lilith on tues. 7/13
at the shoreline in ca?
        love to meet any listees that may be there that day.  e-mail me
privately.
                        (  :  jennifer

sorry folks, i tried to stay out of this as long as possible!  just have to
say a few, well, maybe many words regarding the last post:
<<but the fact is, gay unions are not biologically the
same as hetero unions.  society is not going to let you use this term.
what so many of you do not understand is if you want to combat society,
you have to do it on society's terms.>>
and copied from the last post:
<<  marriage is such
>a
>symbol of man+woman, that, i don't know, something just doesn't seem
>right
>about using the word for anything other.  >>
i've always thought of marrige as being the union of two people in love.
simple.  never has it crossed my mind that marrige = man + woman.  even
before i knew what homosexuality was...

so society wont allow us to use the term "marrige"... so what now, a new word
will evolve out of it?  very odd dont you think?  who's going to be the brave
hetero to create a new word in 1999?  and much of society probably wont
accept it if we give in to defeat, and allow discrimination.  hasnt this
happened before some years ago?  rosa parks?  had the black population of
america backed off, and "took a seat" or "stood aside", they would still have
no gain today.  but there were fighters, and they made the difference.  so
for all who wish for equality, stand.  i believe the us constitution (that is
where we live, right???) grants each man and woman equality, and freedom of
religion.  it's a shame for those homosexuals who are not christian to be
shit on-- suppose their religion had no restrictions on homosexuality?  well,
apparently the government is partly founded on christianity, and the gov't
says no to homosexuals.... so much for freedom of religion and equality!
sounds like a nice example of an oxymoron eh?  to possibly lessen my flames
by 2, i do believe in most of our gov't.... probably the best in the world,
but am not afraid to point out a few mistakes, as all others should.
now that i've exposed myself, ill take a break.. g'nite all, and peace!
trooper

well, clare and i have been together for 12 years... i wanted to do some kind
of ceremony in the unitarian church... make it a real wing-ding... but the
significant anniversaries roll around and we find ourselves w/o the money to
do it right... and it's not like it will be anthing more than a big party
anyway... we have our powers-of-attorney, and all that... i feel married, but
i agree that using those conventional hetero words can be confusing and
inaccurate.  she ain't my wife, she's my lesband.  now we are trying to come
to some sort of agreement as to a last name we can both adopt, and that has
just gotten silly.  i don't know if we'll see it in our lifetimes, but i
really do think that someday we will have the right to marry gayly.  oh, and
to answer another thread from a few days ago:  "our song" used to be "i had
the time of my life" (if that's actually the name of it) from the movie
"dirty dancing".... but then several years ago, when i ended up in the
hospital w/ strep pneumonia (i don't recommend it) melissa e's "come to my
window" was out... and it just seemed to fit.  and then there's "the hard
way" by mary-chapin carpenter... i get all goopy-feeling whenever i hear
"power of two" because it just sounds like us, but clare thinks it's too
sappy.  anyway........
freida

>the sheer definition of the word marriage, as stated by webster's new
>dictionary is as follows:
>+++the institution under which a man and a woman become
>legally united on a permanent basis.+++
>so therefore, by definition, same sex "marriages" do not exist.

semantics. semantics, and nothing more. i don't give a rat's ass about
semantics, unless they come from emily saliers' pen.

cranky blips of *j

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i'm going to be a senior in high school as well this year and just got back
from a tour of meredith college(women's college).  one of the coaches'
daughter at my high school is going there this year and we got on the subject
of meredith.  he made the comment that adrienne(the daughter) put on her
application for a roomate *no gays!!!*  i just think it's interesting how
ignorant people are, and how she's putting herself in a situation that
homosexuality could be present, but at the same time expects not to have to
deal with it b/c she is straight.  i just don't like people who are like that.

ok i've put my 2 cents in

blinded by indigo
tina

....but can we please stop the listwide discussion of the
gay marriage issue?  this is, after all and ig list, not a
gay marriage list.  i normally lurk for months on end
and don't say much, but i do read my mail and for the last
few days the main thread here has been nigc.  don't
misunderstand:  it's not the nigc that bothers me, and
it's not the topic that bothers me. it's just that when the
discussion gets to the point to where people are having
"spin-off" debates about the content of others' messages,
i think that's a sign that its appeal to the list-at-large
has faded.

just a request. that's all. i'm not trying to upset anyone,
but in the case that it should happen, and someone wants
to say something ugly to me, just fill out my customer
satisfaction survey at: talktothehand.com. :)

toodles!
leigh ann

speaking of compulsory heterosexuality:

1. the junk mail from seventeen magazine (seventeen is unaware that i threw
my teen years to the side of the gravel road long ago) that has an
"important girls-only survey" inside; one of the highly important, burning
survey questions was something like

it's important to me for the guys i date to be:
a. cute
b. fun
c. intellectual
d. other___________________________.

i chose d and wrote "female" in the blank.

2. i work at borders; we have to wear these clear plastic 'press badges'
(they look like around-the-neck backstage passes) that identify us as
employees.  we're allowed to slip photos, drawings, stickers, whatever,
inside our badges.  i have in mine a photo of a female
sometimes-more-than-a-friend who doesn't look exactly feminine.  a new
coworker saw it today, took it in her hand, and says,
"oh! is this your boyfriend?!"
"...or your friend?"
"... er, your brother?"
a long pause.  she looks hard at the photo.
"er, your... your uh, girlfriend or whatever?"

uh-huh.

patriarchally perturbed pieces of *j

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***
how about those surveys that give the following options for marital status:

single, never married
widowed
divorced
seperated
married
***

i work in a marketing research company so i see this all the time....
sometimes (the better ones!) they have "living with significant other" or
"living with someone" as a choice as well...i've maybe seen "life partner"
as well, but i'm not sure cuz its apparently not shown up much....
i'm always waiting for the day when i get someone who will want me to change
whats written.....
carol

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this is getting ridiculous! just because someone has a problem with a
lifestyle choice of others, and has trouble dealing with it, doesn't make
her a bad person. she obviously doesn't want to be confronted with something
she probably isn't comfortable with (or has had bad experiences in the
past), and it would be better that any unsuspecting lesbians don't make the
mistake of being there if she doesn't like them.

that's what it is really about, lifestyle choices. there are more than you
can count on your long fingers and pink toes, you know! god knows i've tried
many of them, liked some, disliked or even hated others. but there is
nothing like 'being there' to give you an appreciation of understanding and
tolerance to all.

don't mean to sound mean, but criticising others for such petty things only
reflects badly on yourself.

sad that my first post must be such.
love & tolerance for all,
jamie.

> -----original message-----
> from: tina harkness [mailto:la8rga8r@aol.com]

*snip*

> of meredith.  he made the comment that adrienne(the daughter)
> put on her
> application for a roomate *no gays!!!*  i just think it's
> interesting how
> ignorant people are, and how she's putting herself in a situation that
> homosexuality could be present, but at the same time expects
> not to have to
> deal with it b/c she is straight.  i just don't like people
> who are like that.

>>what so many of you do not understand is if you want to combat society,
>>you have to do it on society's terms.

what you don't understand is you cannot fix the master's house with the
master's tools.
you're preaching liberal white feminism (a la now, ms. magazine, and betty
friedan), which ultimately proves ineffective. how can any change be
effected if our actions are still being done within the same
oppressive/misogynistic/patriarchal/societally screwy structure?
jump across to the other side and try radical feminism ('third world'
feminism) and then tell me that it's possible to combat society on its own
terms; it's not. you have to destroy the existing structure, and then combat
the remaining ideologies on your own terms.

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the early part of the century, so the man and woman thing seems to have =
a twist to it..

and i could debate both sides of separate being both equal and unequal =
in a few thesis length emails - me citing disabilty and feminist history =
- i will spare the list (and if you are grateful for that - buy me an =
ice cream @ newport : )=20

str8 but not narrow (but awfully tired)
peace-=20
mike r.

psa - go see ani difranco - now - or get a f-word tour boot!

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hey list, and tina. i went to an all girls school in ga. (wesleyan) it was
great. i hreaad fro people that they thought that all of the same sex
schools seem to have more homosexuals. when we did a poll for a psych class,
granted the margin for errors and lies, we noticed that the same sex schools
have the same ratio of gay/straight people in it. i just thought that you
guys might think that this was kind of interesting.

back to lurking,
heather

ok, i'm not sure why i decided to get involved with this now, but what
the hell...

working within society will not change it.
i'm not even sure where i stand on the whole gay marriage thing. i'm
gay, and hopefully will someday in the future want to get married.  i
may be preaching to the converted here, no pun intended, but...i was
listening to 'loveline', a kind of insipid radio call-in show, for those
that are not familiar with it, that usually deals with giving advice to
young people in relationships and such.  it was late, i was about to run
out of gas somewhere between rockford, il and elgin, and i hear, on
chicago station q101, a call from a 17 year old young gay male.   he's
talking about this boy he's been fooling around with...and i was only
half listening.  suddenly i hear, "so, what made you gay?  were you
abused?" and the caller reveals that he had been, by some male relative,
i believe, and then he goes on to say that all the gay people he knows
are products of abuse of some sort.  no, i'm not making this up.  so,
doctor...whatever his name is, and adam kind of nod, and agree, like
it's a fact that...all gay people are products of abuse.
that the kind of stuff 'society' shovels onto us.
gay marriage...it's a nice right, and of course count me in, but when
popular radio shows with...is he a psychiatrist? i'm not sure...doctors
discussing as if it were fact, that abuse = homosexuality...well. i cam
hold hands with, and try to function within the bounds of 'society', but
if they pass on archaic views as 'fact', it doesn't make me want to try
to moderately function and achieve change from the inside.
i'm fed up.
i look dykey, people know about me.  if i walk down the street alone, or
with my girlfriend, i'm still a lesbian.  let's get all the lesbians,
who like me, get stared at in the women's washroom together, and let's
ask them not to be angry, not to cry over seeing their friends getting
gay bashed, or getting bashed themselves, or hearing about their friends
or themselves getting diseases that haven't been studied enough because
for years they were thought to be "gay diseases";lesbians, gay men,
bisexuals and especially trans-people who can legally get discriminated
in housing and jobs with no recourse in most municipalities in this
country.
if i'm going to see change in my lifetime, it has to occur rapidly.
i know that this is not a gay list.  i guess the radio show really set
me off.  email me here with flames. :p
-m wartenberg

i failed to mention that one of my friends went to meredith and conveyed to
me that there were really very few gay students there. but i do think it's
interesting that if people put themselves in situations that are
uncomfortable to them, just in general, that some won't have an open mind to
the situation to find out why it makes them uncomfortable.....maybe that's
the point i was trying to make. ok enough babble.

tina

<<hey list, and tina. i went to an all girls school in ga. (wesleyan) it was
great. i hreaad fro people that they thought that all of the same sex
schools seem to have more homosexuals. when we did a poll for a psych class,
granted the margin for errors and lies, we noticed that the same sex schools
have the same ratio of gay/straight people in it. i just thought that you
guys might think that this was kind of interesting.

back to lurking,
heather>>

beige ... definitely.

p.s.
anyone see the pop-up video of shawn mullins' song ?
weird.

oh my god!!!!!

this morning as i walked out of my apartment to my car
to go to work, i did so with a true sigh of joy and
relief because......(drum roll
please).................

the lexington fariness ordinance passed last night
with an astonding vote of 12-3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

basicly, i am now protected in my workplace, my home,
restraunts, and public accomidations from
discrimination based on my sexual orientation or
gender identity. i know that we have tossed this and
similar issues around so much over the past week, and
all of the debate and disscussion has really been a
wonderful way of making me so proud to live in a
country where we can dissagree on the basic issue of
the lifestyle and still have equal protection under
the law.....all i am hoping now is that my mother
didn't watch the news last night, yes, i am out to my
family and freinds, but it is hard to explain still to
her freinds, that her daughter is one of those radical
lesbians that they see on tv....and i seamed to be on
all the stations....i guess that is what you get when
you sit in the second row....tee hee....i am very
thankful for all of you wonderful people here on the
list, and i know that as we all continue this form of
communication we will all.....(both sides).... be both
challenged and enlightened on more issues than just
homosexuality. funny thing is, i am sitting here now
listening to people in the other cubicles around me
talking about the vote last night....it will be
interesting to say the least, but i just have to smile
knowing, that if asked, i can now voice my opinion
instead of shying away and changing the subject for
fear of being fired....(i know i know.....me shy.....
..never...tee hee...)
oh well, just had to share this with all of my
intiment strangers....and also to say a loud and
resiliant thank you to amy and emily for giving me the
courage to stand up and fight for what i believe in
instead of standing in the shadows and quietly
watching the world burry me in a hole filled with
discrimination , fear and hate....

peace, love pride and indigo light

beccie lyon

with my heart bursting with pride and happiness,
i look up ahead and face the next challenge
with a little more umpth than ever before !!!!!!

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for those of you going to the saratoga springs concert, i've finally found
a place where we can get together.  it's a restaurant called "wheatfields".
you can check it out at <http://www.wheatfileds.com>.  as of yesterday,
there is still room for a large party.  take a look at the site.  if you'd
like to go please let me know by friday, july 16.  even if you're not going
to the show and just live in the area, you're welcome to come.  i'll be
working on stanhope next.  thanks.
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sheryl jones
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
cooper seay page:
http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/cooper/cooper.htm
bootleg page: http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/boots.htm

just in case any of you wanted to read about the case
here is the address to article from the local
lexington paper.

http://vh1383.infi.net/heraldleader/news/070999/fairness.shtml
===
peace, love & indigo light
beccie lyon

sorry, y'all. the correct url for wheatfields is:

<http://www.wheatfields.com>
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sheryl jones
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
cooper seay page:
http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/cooper/cooper.htm
bootleg page: http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/boots.htm

i agree with leigh. i'm not interested in the gay marriage issue
anymore ... and i'm gay.

i found the coollest thing online. it's an 11 minute video clip of the
girls in cuba. it's in real video format. you can find it here:

<http://www.epiccenter.com/epicccenter/clips/rm/4509.ram>

enjoy!
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sheryl jones
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
cooper seay page:
http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/cooper/cooper.htm
bootleg page: http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/boots.htm

i found the coollest thing online. it's an 11 minute video clip of the
girls in cuba. it's in real video format. you can find it here:

<http://www.epiccenter.com/epiccenter/clips/rm/4509.ram>

you people have to put the words indigo girls in the subject line or else
some people won't read it because it might be junk mail

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does anyone know how o get tickets?

marilyn

i really love that song! i tell ya. i keep listening to blue food over and over
and over. i was wondering if there are any other versions out there and if
anybody's bothered tabbing it out yet. if not, i'll give it a go...

(btw, the company i work for offers domestic partnership benefits including
health and dental to gays, and straights, and bi s)

why don't we introduce the idea of butting the letters ig at the
beginning of all our subject lines? it would also help people who are
interested in filtering into different folders.
mandy

> you people have to put the words indigo girls in the subject line or else
> some people won't read it because it might be junk mail
>
> --
> do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

"i try to be open-minded, it just doesn't work."
-rachel shulman

"i just can't resist talking about semen."
-professor kate henry

there is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-dave barry

        "damn me, but all things are queer, come to think of 'em."
                                        -second mate stubbs
                                         herman melville, moby-dick

putting, that was. not butting. duh.
m

>         why don't we introduce the idea of butting the letters ig at the
> beginning of all our subject lines? it would also help people who are
> interested in filtering into different folders.
>         mandy
>
>
> > you people have to put the words indigo girls in the subject line or else
> > some people won't read it because it might be junk mail
> >
> > --
> > do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
> > indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> >       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
> >
>
>
>
>         "i try to be open-minded, it just doesn't work."
>                                         -rachel shulman
>
>         "i just can't resist talking about semen."
>                                         -professor kate henry
>
>         there is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
>                                         -dave barry
>
>
>         "damn me, but all things are queer, come to think of 'em."
>                                         -second mate stubbs
>                                          herman melville, moby-dick
>
>
>
>
> --
> do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

"i try to be open-minded, it just doesn't work."
-rachel shulman

"i just can't resist talking about semen."
-professor kate henry

there is a very fine line between "hobby" and "mental illness."
-dave barry

        "damn me, but all things are queer, come to think of 'em."
                                        -second mate stubbs
                                         herman melville, moby-dick

yeah i agree. i am on the melissa etheridge mailing list, and we always have
mle in the begining of any mail we send. even if it isn't melissa related.

just my $.02 worth,
heather

ok, so the girls are supposedly coming to seattle later this summer.
i haven't yet heard the new material (anything after shaming). in order
to be well prepared for the show, i'd love to have a boot with the new
stuff. can anyone help me out? if willing, please e-mail me at
anderson@biostat.washington.edu.

thanks so much,

melissa

at 12:01 pm 7/9/99 , doug kaplan wrote:
>you people have to put the words indigo girls in the subject line or else
>some people won't read it because it might be junk mail

maybe "you people" need to get a mailer that can filter mail into a folder
based on the sender... if aol doesn't provide that capability, you can use
eudora light, outlook express, netscape messenger, or nearly any other
(free!) mail package.

--
deb \\ indigo@mindspring.com \\ http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo

i don't know if this has been mentioned yet but the new issue of ps has an
interview of amy ray about daemon records in it. it also has ani difranco on the
cover, and articles about vonda shepard and jonatha brooke.

in a message dated 7/8/99 5:18:55 pm, dovesland@yahoo.com wrote:

<<got to look good when i
finally meet amy you know, not like some war camp
refugee.....no offense to her current g/f....tee
hee...>>

huh?

ohhhhh i get it....ooops sorry did not mean to dis the
g/f....i was talking about my apearance...and the no
offense part was about meeting her, lookin good, like
i had a chance in helll etc....just being silly
i re-read your msg and realized how that sounded
ooops.....
--- rainnriver@aol.com wrote:
>
> in a message dated 7/8/99 5:18:55 pm,
> dovesland@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> <<got to look good when i
> finally meet amy you know, not like some war camp
> refugee.....no offense to her current g/f....tee
> hee...>>
>
> huh?
>

===
peace, love & indigo light
beccie lyon

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date:         fri, 9 jul 1999 11:28:24 -0700
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from:         beccie lyon <dovesland@yahoo.com>
subject:      fwd: fw: perfume
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              jeni bruckner <sandringham81@hotmail.com>,
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perfume

an old woman is riding in an elevator in a very lavish
new york city building, when a young and beautiful
woman gets into the elevator, smelling of expensive
perfume.

she turns to the old woman and says arrogantly,
"romance" by ralph lauren, $150 an ounce!"

then another young and beautiful woman gets on the
elevator, and also very arrogantly turns to the old
woman saying, "chanel no. 5, $200 an ounce!"

about three floors later, the old woman has reached
her destination and is about to get off the elevator.

before she leaves, she looks both beautiful women in
the eye, then bends over and farts and says ...
"broccoli. 49 cents a pound."

hope you got a chuckle!!

shan

===
peace, love & indigo light
beccie lyon

man i am on a roll,
please forgive that last one. i hit the wrong button
on my address book
sorry
please no flames innocent mistake

===
peace, love & indigo light
beccie lyon

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              raven star <ravenstar12@hotmail.com>,
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ok, i humbly come before my fellow email family
members and appoligise for that last one....i did not
mean to send that out to everyone in my address book,
but unfortunately i did hit the wrong button and sent
out that wonderful post to every list and freind i
have....oooops what can i say, something needed to
bring me back to my sences i have been flying way too
high today since the ordinance passed last night

so please if you were offended by it forgive me...
if you weren't i hope you enjoyed the laugh.....

:o)

bowing humbly in reverance to all flames and swatts on
the wrist......
===
peace, love & indigo light
beccie lyon

hi everyone :) i haven't been able to check this list for over a month now
so it's great to be back online! i've actually been in minnesota shooting
the film "chasing indigo" that i first heard about on this list! i'm from
australia but i was coming to america anyway so i went and auditioned for it
and got a part! anyway, it should be finished in the next few months
(hopefully!) and will most likely go to all the independent film festivals
as well as the g & l festivals.. so if anyone gets the chance, go see it..
i'm sure most of you would like it :)

now i'm in chicago for a while so if anyone's from around here just email me
and maybe we could catch up! i don't know many people and i'm here for at
least a month :)

take care everyone!

melanie :)

______________________________________________________
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i thought this was kind of current since it is you know, all we have been
talking about=)
casey
~all ive sown was a song, but maybe i was wrong~
________________________________________
gay marriage law weighed in vermont

.c the associated press

by ross sneyd

montpelier, vt. (ap) - for the last eight months, peter harrigan and stan
baker have waited by the phone each friday, hoping for a decision from the
state supreme court allowing them to marry.

vermont's high court, which releases its opinions at the end of the work
week, is the only one in the nation currently facing the question of whether
same-sex marriage should be legal. and many believe vermont is the most
likely state to allow it.

''if there's any place it could stick in the country, i think it's vermont,''
said vermont law school professor greg johnson, who was involved in a similar
case in alaska. ''it strikes some deep chords here about the tradition of
independence, letting people do what they want with their private lives.''

so far, the notion of allowing two men or two women to marry has not stuck
anywhere else. courts in alaska and hawaii have ruled in favor of gay
marriage. but they were essentially overturned by voters last november, even
though there still is legal wrangling.

that puts vermont at the forefront of one of the biggest political debates of
the day.

''everybody's waiting with bated breath,'' said jay sekulow, chief counsel
for the american center for law and justice in virginia beach, va., which
filed a brief opposing gay marriage in vermont.

because marriages performed in one state are generally recognized by other
states, hawaii's 1993 ruling set off some furious preemptive legislating
around the country. congress passed the defense of marriage act, which denied
federal recognition of gay marriage and allowed states to ignore same-sex
unions licensed elsewhere.

harrigan, a 37-year-old drama professor, and baker, the 53-year-old director
of outpatient services for a mental health agency, say they want to be
afforded the same rights as heterosexual mates.

they and two lesbian couples sued in 1997 when their town clerks, on the
advice of the vermont attorney general, denied them marriage licenses. as in
the hawaii and alaska cases, the vermont couples argue that marriage is a
fundamental right.

legal marriage would afford gay and lesbian couples a wide range of civil
benefits in vermont, including family leave; bereavement leave; retirement
and pension benefits; health insurance; inheritance; and the right to make
medical decisions on behalf of a same-sex partner.

the vermont court is most likely to focus on whether denying gay marriage is
a violation of the state constitution's common benefits clause, akin to the
u.s. constitution's equal protection clause, said peter teachout, a vermont
law school professor.

if the court rules in favor of same-sex unions, opponents could seek to amend
the state constitution to thwart the decision - a tough proposition.

two successive legislatures must approve a constitutional amendment, and then
it has to be adopted by a statewide vote. the process generally takes four
years.

advocates believe hundreds or thousands of couples would marry before such an
amendment could reach the people.

''once there is a breakthrough, whether it is in vermont or hawaii, the
fair-minded middle of the public is going to see the sky didn't fall,'' said
evan wolfson, a lawyer for the lambda legal defense and education fund, a gay
rights organization.

i think this was meant for the whole list...
mandy

---------- forwarded message ----------
date: fri, 9 jul 1999 11:31:37 -0700 (pdt)
from: beccie lyon <dovesland@yahoo.com>
to: "mandy, the obi-wan of the all-prance" <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
subject: re: indigo girls subject line

but guys you can filter by the address if you have the
capability to filter by subject line content
i used to have aol and i knew what was junk mail and
waht was not....hmmmmm smelling a ploy to change the
list discussion....hmmmwondering if it will work.
--- "mandy, the obi-wan of the all-prance"
<eburton@brynmawr.edu> wrote:
>         why don't we introduce the idea of butting
> the letters ig at the
> beginning of all our subject lines? it would also
> help people who are
> interested in filtering into different folders.
>         mandy
>
>
> > you people have to put the words indigo girls in
> the subject line or else
> > some people won't read it because it might be junk
> mail
> >
> > --
> > do not quote other peoples' entire messages when
> replying to the list.
> > indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list
> faq:
> >       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
> >
>
>
>
>         "i try to be open-minded, it just doesn't
> work."
>                                         -rachel
> shulman
>
>         "i just can't resist talking about semen."
>                                         -professor
> kate henry
>
>         there is a very fine line between "hobby"
> and "mental illness."
>                                         -dave barry
>
>
>         "damn me, but all things are queer, come to
> think of 'em."
>                                         -second mate
> stubbs
>                                          herman
> melville, moby-dick
>
>
>
>
> --
> do not quote other peoples' entire messages when
> replying to the list.
> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

===
peace, love & indigo light
beccie lyon

okay, dumb question melanie, what is the movie "chasing indigo" about??
-----original message-----
from: melanie m <melanie33@hotmail.com>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
date: friday, july 09, 1999 3:21 pm
subject: chasing indigo (nigc)

>hi everyone :) i haven't been able to check this list for over a month now
>so it's great to be back online! i've actually been in minnesota shooting
>the film "chasing indigo" that i first heard about on this list! i'm from
>australia but i was coming to america anyway so i went and auditioned for
it
>and got a part! anyway, it should be finished in the next few months
>(hopefully!) and will most likely go to all the independent film festivals
>as well as the g & l festivals.. so if anyone gets the chance, go see it..
>i'm sure most of you would like it :)
>
>now i'm in chicago for a while so if anyone's from around here just email
me
>and maybe we could catch up! i don't know many people and i'm here for at
>least a month :)
>
>take care everyone!
>
>melanie :)
>
>
>
>______________________________________________________
>get your private, free email at http://www.hotmail.com
>
>--
>do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
>indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

this little blurb came from the daemon newsletter today...

<< ***for you indigo fans - news is today is their last day mixing in the
studio. their new cd is on the way. >>

yeay!!! jenn

hey folks!
so, i'm signed off the list right now because i'm on vacation but i just
heard word that the indigo girls will be replacing hole at lilith fair in
columbus! now i must find tickets. i checked the best available at
ticketmaster but unfortunately they aren't too good. :( anyone have an extra
ticket or know of someone who might? let me know because i'm definitely
interested! thanks so much!
becky
--who's way past excited because i just found out that the indigos and the
us women's soccer team are coming to columbus!!!!!!!

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just found out that rose polenzani will be opening for ig in stanhope and
saratoga springs.
----------------------------------------------------------
sheryl jones
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
cooper seay page:
http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/cooper/cooper.htm
bootleg page: http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/boots.htm

i am looking for one extra ticket if someone has one. missy
-----original message-----
from: becky b. <indigo_24@hotmail.com>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
date: tuesday, july 10, 2007 9:34 am
subject: ohio in lilith

>hey folks!
>so, i'm signed off the list right now because i'm on vacation but i just
>heard word that the indigo girls will be replacing hole at lilith fair in
>columbus! now i must find tickets. i checked the best available at
>ticketmaster but unfortunately they aren't too good. :( anyone have an
extra
>ticket or know of someone who might? let me know because i'm definitely
>interested! thanks so much!
>becky
>--who's way past excited because i just found out that the indigos and the
>us women's soccer team are coming to columbus!!!!!!!
>
>
>_______________________________________________________________
>get free email and do more on the web. visit http://www.msn.com
>
>--
>do not quote other peoples' entire messages when replying to the list.
>indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
>

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thought those of you who don't subscribe to the daemon list would be
interested in this. there is igc in this newsletter! :-d

peace!

joan :-d

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here's the latest from daemon...

***pre-order our newest release***
rose polenzani's new cd is in stock. the release date is july 20th but
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if you're not familiar with rose, check out the daemon artists page and
read her
bio, tour dates and press quotes. also, you can listen to the entire cd!

***how much do you really know about daemon?***
we just posted a new contest.  answer all the questions correctly and
you'll
be eligible to win a free cd a month for the rest of the year.  that's 6
cds!   the winner will be announced in august.

***our all-ages shows***
for those of you in the atlanta area who haven't heard, the point has
closed
it's doors after seven years.  it's explained as lack of community
support.  the staff at daemon will sadly miss this club that has supported
our label for years.  unfortunately
this means that the all-ages shows are on hold until we can find another
venue.  we'll keep you posted.  in the meantime,  please everyone support
your local music scene.  go see a band on saturday night instead of
watching tv or seeing a movie.  it's a little more social too.  even if
you don't stay for the whole show just showing up and paying the few
dollars helps the bands and the venue.

***demos***
we've posted (or are about to) the address and guidelines on sending us a
demo. we're being swamped with cd's and tapes lately and thought this
might help to explain what happens when you send a tape.

***other fine recordings @ daemon***
we've picked up a few solo projects from daemon artists.  first,  we're
offering danielle howle's new acoustic cd from kill rock stars.  second,
pam howe of ph balance has just released a solo cd of her own.   it also
includes one previously not released ph balance track.   the sonia tetlow
band released a 7" of two rockin' songs as well.   you can get to all of
these buy clicking "music" on the daemon home page.
there's sound clips for all.

***cdrom girl***
cdrom girl is at it again! she's busy updated our big bang compilation.
we're
adding new footage of 6x, ph balance, and rose polenzani and hope to
release it by the end of this month. praise for lori the cdrom girl -
she's lost lots of sleep getting this in by deadline!

***t-shirts***
our green daemon shirts will be here next week.   the xxl will be in too!
sorry for
what has been a long delay in shipping some orders.   the color we chose
for the shirt has suddenly been discontinued so the manufacturer has to
make these especially for us.  and since this is an all natural dye on
organic cotton, we have to order a lot to make it worth their while to
manufacture.  guess we might have to change the color. we sincerely
apologize for any delays in your order.

***for you indigo fans - news is today is their last day mixing in the
studio. their new cd is on the way.

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>> of course i've heard of a delete key, you obnoxious jerk.

i'd just like to say that after creating such rules to keep this kind of
junk out of my mailbox, that i will abide by your wishes and not email you
anymore. funny how some people just can't take a joke, tongue-in-cheek (re:
my comment about the del key working wonders).

now i would like the people who are "sick of the "gay marriage discussion"
to think about something. i've seen this happen more than once on this list.
something with a gay theme is brought up and in the middle of the
discussion, someone who is not gay tells everyone else to take it off-list
because they don't want to hear about it anymore. i don't know about my
other queer brothers and sisters on this list but when these attempts at
silencing us are made, not only do i feel stifled, i feel hurt that it would
happen on this list of all places.

>>and don't mail me anymore.

no problem there. but you'll receive two messages by my because i hit the
del key before getting to that part.

ryan

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date:         fri, 9 jul 1999 21:35:46 -0400
reply-to:     hboysel <hboysel@netwalk.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         hboysel <hboysel@netwalk.com>
subject:      re: nigc: tony & leigh ann
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ryan, you just go! im behind you all the way , remember to tell them that
you have a lesbian and you're not afraid to use her!!!
-----original message-----
from: ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
date: friday, july 09, 1999 8:53 pm
subject: nigc: tony & leigh ann

>>> of course i've heard of a delete key, you obnoxious jerk.
>
>i'd just like to say that after creating such rules to keep this kind of
>junk out of my mailbox, that i will abide by your wishes and not email you
>anymore. funny how some people just can't take a joke, tongue-in-cheek (re:
>my comment about the del key working wonders).
>
>now i would like the people who are "sick of the "gay marriage discussion"
>to think about something. i've seen this happen more than once on this
list.
>something with a gay theme is brought up and in the middle of the
>discussion, someone who is not gay tells everyone else to take it off-list
>because they don't want to hear about it anymore. i don't know about my
>other queer brothers and sisters on this list but when these attempts at
>silencing us are made, not only do i feel stifled, i feel hurt that it
would
>happen on this list of all places.
>
>>>and don't mail me anymore.
>
>no problem there. but you'll receive two messages by my because i hit the
>del key before getting to that part.
>
>ryan
>
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> this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news
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>

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date:         fri, 9 jul 1999 23:05:34 -0400
reply-to:     susan <ohsusanna@sugar-river.net>
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does anyone know who might be opening for the girlies at the spac show?
besides the possibility of me opening the show by wetting my pants with glee?

sus

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date:         fri, 9 jul 1999 22:53:46 -0500
reply-to:     tony & leigh ann <fraccabat@mindspring.com>
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subject:      re: scary message  (oooooooooh!........)
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at 09:35 pm 7/9/99 -0400, you wrote:
>ryan, you just go! im behind you all the way , remember to tell them that
>you have a lesbian and you're not afraid to use her!!!

use her for what?
to come through my computer and open up a can of lesbian whup-ass?

sorry, i just don't get your point. i don't see how someone's sexual
preference is supposed to up the *scare factor* (that was what
you were goin for, right? scare factor?) to someone, well- who's not
scared of you anyway.

but you did an excellent job of proving that your true motive in posting
that message (to a list of 900 + people who could care less) was just
to perpetuate irrelevant topics, which have now sunk to the level of
flaming. so there's something for you to be proud of!

congratulations!

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date:         fri, 9 jul 1999 22:40:26 -0500
reply-to:     tony & leigh ann <fraccabat@mindspring.com>
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from:         tony & leigh ann <fraccabat@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: ryan blackhawke
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at 05:50 pm 7/9/99 -0700, ryan blackhawke wrote:
>now i would like the people who are "sick of the "gay marriage discussion"
>to think about something. i've seen this happen more than once on this list.
>something with a gay theme is brought up and in the middle of the
>discussion, someone who is not gay tells everyone else to take it off-list
>because they don't want to hear about it anymore. i don't know about my
>other queer brothers and sisters on this list but when these attempts at
>silencing us are made, not only do i feel stifled, i feel hurt that it would
>happen on this list of all places.

ryan forgot to include the rest of my letter to her:

<begin original message>
the point is, whether or not i have delete capabilities makes
absolutely no difference here.  if it's not of interest to the list
as a whole (as well as being nigc), then it's not appropriate
for listwide discussion.  and it's not.  and the fact that i can
(and will, and do) delete the messages does not make it  right
for you to keep posting them.  especially since now it's gotten
to the point that a few of you are having a private discussion
and the rest of us are just stuck here to witness it.  if you want
to discuss it so badly, go to egroups or onelist and make a gay
marriage discussion group.  we don't want to hear it anymore!
it's time to take it private.
<end>

it has nothing to do with being homophobic, which, yes, ryan
accused me of privately.  it has to do with the fact that it has been
discussed publicly for long enough and it is getting old.  i even got
an email from someone saying that they were sick of hearing about
it too, and they were even gay!  imagine that!  i mean, my god, isn't
this, after all an ig list?  please correct me if i'm wrong....jen lucero?
anyone?

>>>and don't mail me anymore.
>
>no problem there. but you'll receive two messages by my because i hit the
>del key before getting to that part.

actually, i've received three.  one where you insisted that the only reason
i suggested the topic be taken private was that i was "uncomfortable"
with the subject matter, since i'm straight.  in the other, you flat-out
accused me of homophobia.  in the first place, you know not one single
thing about me and are therefore not qualified to make any judgement
regarding my character, my phobias, my anything....and another thing
is this:  i am a very happily married woman who is very comfortable
with in my marriage, my sexuality, my skin.  and i have no more right
to judge you and your lifestyle than you have to judge mine.  and
in accordance with that statement, i have no opinion regarding
gay marriage!  it does not affect me.  it does not make me uncomfortable,
andwhat's more, the simple fact that i have no opinion about it does
not make me homophobic either.  i just simply stated that it was
getting to be an old thread and inappropriate for the list-at-large.
and btw, i got several private messages from people who agreed.

i made the statement in my original message that i wasn't trying to upset
anyone, and 99% of the people who read that message understood
what it meant. i only got *one* message from *one* person who thought
it was their place to inform me of the wonder that is the delete key.
and now, that person has started a new thread (once again, inappropriate
for listwide discussion, but i have no choice but to reply, listwide, in order
to defend myself) with *mine and my husband's names* as the subject
line! how ridiculious is that???

she wanted to make it public, that's just what she's done.

i am finished with this.

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date:         fri, 9 jul 1999 23:39:07 edt
reply-to:     gitroop@aol.com
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from:         "<erin tripp>" <gitroop@aol.com>
subject:      vh1 lilith special tomorrow
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just to let everyone know, vh1 is running a lilith special that starts at 1
pm tomorrow afternoon, saturday...
gnite!
trooper

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 07:01:42 +0100
reply-to:     john bond <john.bond@lineone.net>
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{rocky music starts up} (you must know where i'm headed with this one..... ;-) )

{sherlyn koo walks into the middle of the ring, pulls a microphone down.....}

sherlyn : "ladies and gentlemen..... tonight, fighting in the blue corner.....
ryan blackhawke!!!!!!!!!, and fighting in the red corner..... the tag team of
tony and leigh ann!!!!!"

{the fighters come out from their respective corners, and start intimidating
each other, calling names, etc....}

sherlyn : "ok - i want a fair fight - no hitting below the belt, and no abusive
comments about the other fighters sexual orientation.... everybody ready? then
fight!!!!!!!"

{several rounds later..... ooooooh - man this is getting ugly.... blood
splattered all over the ring, as yet no ears bitten off, but that doesn't mean
they haven't tried........}

barb, commentator : "and what's this? twink, there seems to be a new fighter
coming into the ring.... it looks like she's grabbed a chair.... do we know
anything about this fighter?!?"

twink, commentator "well barb, this seems to be the mysterious individual known
as hboysel..... let's see what she's going to do, she seems to be working with
ryan....."

{suddenly h knocks down tony with the chair, and squares off against leigh
ann..... and suddenly ryan comes back and kicks leigh in the chest............,
etc..........}

john (who, frankly doesn't want to offend anybody by figuring out who wins this
thing.....)

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to: underdog@earthlink.net

"now that i'm paying rent the only electric device i
want in my office is one that takes batteries and answers
to the name of big boy." (anna, this life)

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 06:24:11 gmt
reply-to:     beatific spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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>does anyone know who might be opening for the girlies at the spac show?
>besides the possibility of me opening the show by wetting my pants with
>glee?

rose rose rose polenzani. (although i'm sure you'd do us proud, sus.)
as my cut-and-paste function is incompetent, see my next post for
rose-type-gushing of an igc nature.

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 06:31:11 gmt
reply-to:     beatific spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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>use her for what?
>to come through my computer and open up a can of lesbian whup-ass?

hey leigh ann,
if and when you do receive that inter-computeral can of lesbian whup-ass
(lisbin in a can!), can you, uh, email me it's contents? i've been working
unsuccessfully on the recipe for years now, and all i've managed to come up
with is powdered slightly angry fencesitter. your help would be ever
appreciated!

insane instance of *j

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 02:05:32 -0500
reply-to:     tony & leigh ann <fraccabat@mindspring.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         tony & leigh ann <fraccabat@mindspring.com>
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leave me the hell alone.  i am not going to waste my time getting
worked up over this bullshit and i am most certainly not going
to dignify this ridiculous message with a response.  i want my name
taken out (do you hear me?  i mean out) of the subject line
of any and all future messages to this list.  all i did was ask
(politely, i might add) that a certain beat-to-death thread that was
removed from public discussion.  and from that, i get this?  all because
one person had to make a smart-ass remark to me privately?!?!?!
and then that person felt the need to post my (also private!) reply to the
whole list and make it public???!!!  no.  i did not choose to make this
a public affair, ryan did.  and if you would like to put someone's name
in your subject line, use hers.  but leave me alone or you will be sorry.

jen lucero, please advise.

at 07:01 am 7/10/99 +0100, john bond wrote:
>{rocky music starts up} (you must know where i'm headed with this one.....
;-) )
>
>{sherlyn koo walks into the middle of the ring, pulls a microphone down.....}
>
>sherlyn : "ladies and gentlemen..... tonight, fighting in the blue
corner.....
>ryan blackhawke!!!!!!!!!, and fighting in the red corner..... the tag team of
>tony and leigh ann!!!!!"
>
>{the fighters come out from their respective corners, and start intimidating
>each other, calling names, etc....}
>
>sherlyn : "ok - i want a fair fight - no hitting below the belt, and no
abusive
>comments about the other fighters sexual orientation.... everybody ready?
then
>fight!!!!!!!"
>
>{several rounds later..... ooooooh - man this is getting ugly.... blood
>splattered all over the ring, as yet no ears bitten off, but that doesn't
mean
>they haven't tried........}
>
>barb, commentator : "and what's this? twink, there seems to be a new fighter
>coming into the ring.... it looks like she's grabbed a chair.... do we know
>anything about this fighter?!?"
>
>twink, commentator "well barb, this seems to be the mysterious individual
known
>as hboysel..... let's see what she's going to do, she seems to be working
with
>ryan....."
>
>{suddenly h knocks down tony with the chair, and squares off against leigh
>ann..... and suddenly ryan comes back and kicks leigh in the
chest............,
>etc..........}
>
>john (who, frankly doesn't want to offend anybody by figuring out who wins
this
>thing.....)
>
>--
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>want in my office is one that takes batteries and answers
>to the name of big boy." (anna, this life)
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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 06:46:46 gmt
reply-to:     beatific spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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read this, thou possessors of the delete-happy fingernubs.

now we do the dance of joy again, because there are such cool folks in this
world.
ohh rose rose rose.
i'm so happy. i'm so proud. awww rose rose rose.

in addition to opening for the indigo girls in stanhope nj
(8-6-99) and saratoga springs ny (8-9-99), my favoritest befreckled
folksinger's second album is coming out july 20th on daemon records.

go here and see the snazzy new website with the cutest cockeyed photo and
nutty bio ("her voice cracked like an egg in an incubator"). that's rose for
ya. you wonder just what alternate plane she's on, and how she got there,
and whether or not she'll grab your hands and pull you on it with her.
i, for one, am standing, arms outstretched, waiting to be taken.
are you?
http://www.daemonrecords.com/beta/rose/rose.html

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 11:12:36 edt
reply-to:     hunterj1@aol.com
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from:         jude hunter <hunterj1@aol.com>
subject:      get 1994 vintage ig boots --free :) to a good home
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things i won't do:
        1. float you a small loan so your stamp deficent package will reach
you.
        2. type out a detailed set list of your selected boot.  you can go to
the lifeblood site for that.
        3. give you an auditory evaluation of any boot you pick.

things i will do:
        1. permit you to choose 1 or 2 of the following 16 boots that i have
languishing on my shelves.  they are redundant to my store of ig boots and
need a good home; someone to love :)  hey, 1994 was a very good year : )
        2.  if you reserve a boot and then fail to send a padded envelope and
return postage within a month i will offer it again to the list.

that's all.  chose 1 or 2 and let me know which one(s).  send me a padded
envelope with enough return postage.  put a note in there discussing this
transaction.  email me for my addy.

here is the list:

6/18/94 / peace concert hall, greenville, sc 7/1/94 / great woods,
mansfield, ma
7/2/94 / connecticut tennis center, new haven, ct
7/5/94 / st. denis theater, montreal, canada
7/14/94 / riverside theater, milwaukee, wi
7/16/94 / northrop auditorium, minneapolis, mn (2 tapes)
8/7/94 / fort adams state park, newport, ri
8/17/94 / the pier, seattle, wa (90 - 60 min tapes)
8/20/94 / greek theater, berkeley, ca (60 - 60 min tapes)
8/21/94 / greek theater, berkeley, ca
8/23/94 / modern rock live (radio)
8/24/94 / county bowl, santa barbara, ca
10/9/94 / columbus palace theater, columbus, oh
10/14/94 / rochester auditorium, rochester, ny
11/21/94 / shepherds bush empire, london, england
12/3/94 / spectrum, philadelphia, pa

jude :)

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 10:38:45 edt
reply-to:     nyka95@aol.com
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is anyone on this list going to the toronto lilith?  we want to go, but are
having a difficult time finding reasonably priced tickets.  ticketmaster has
only had "best available" in the 400 level since the day they went on sale.
independant ticket brokers who want $100 per seat don't have more than
individual seats and others want upwards of $200 for decent seats.  any
suggestions?  time is running out!
thanks,
mary

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 08:14:20 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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subject:      re: your mail
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um hate to tell u but you already did waste yoru time by the looks of this
letter

on sat, 10 jul 1999, tony & leigh ann wrote:

> leave me the hell alone.  i am not going to waste my time getting
> worked up over this bullshit and i am most certainly not going
> to dignify this ridiculous message with a response.  i want my name
> taken out (do you hear me?  i mean out) of the subject line
> of any and all future messages to this list.  all i did was ask
> (politely, i might add) that a certain beat-to-death thread that was
> removed from public discussion.  and from that, i get this?  all because
> one person had to make a smart-ass remark to me privately?!?!?!
> and then that person felt the need to post my (also private!) reply to the
> whole list and make it public???!!!  no.  i did not choose to make this
> a public affair, ryan did.  and if you would like to put someone's name
> in your subject line, use hers.  but leave me alone or you will be sorry.
>
> jen lucero, please advise.
>
>
> at 07:01 am 7/10/99 +0100, john bond wrote:
> >{rocky music starts up} (you must know where i'm headed with this one.....
> ;-) )
> >
> >{sherlyn koo walks into the middle of the ring, pulls a microphone down.....}
> >
> >sherlyn : "ladies and gentlemen..... tonight, fighting in the blue
> corner.....
> >ryan blackhawke!!!!!!!!!, and fighting in the red corner..... the tag team of
> >tony and leigh ann!!!!!"
> >
> >{the fighters come out from their respective corners, and start intimidating
> >each other, calling names, etc....}
> >
> >sherlyn : "ok - i want a fair fight - no hitting below the belt, and no
> abusive
> >comments about the other fighters sexual orientation.... everybody ready?
> then
> >fight!!!!!!!"
> >
> >{several rounds later..... ooooooh - man this is getting ugly.... blood
> >splattered all over the ring, as yet no ears bitten off, but that doesn't
> mean
> >they haven't tried........}
> >
> >barb, commentator : "and what's this? twink, there seems to be a new fighter
> >coming into the ring.... it looks like she's grabbed a chair.... do we know
> >anything about this fighter?!?"
> >
> >twink, commentator "well barb, this seems to be the mysterious individual
> known
> >as hboysel..... let's see what she's going to do, she seems to be working
> with
> >ryan....."
> >
> >{suddenly h knocks down tony with the chair, and squares off against leigh
> >ann..... and suddenly ryan comes back and kicks leigh in the
> chest............,
> >etc..........}
> >
> >john (who, frankly doesn't want to offend anybody by figuring out who wins
> this
> >thing.....)
> >
> >--
> >"now that i'm paying rent the only electric device i
> >want in my office is one that takes batteries and answers
> >to the name of big boy." (anna, this life)
> >
> >--
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> >       this command to majordomo@smoe.org: info ig-news
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> >
>
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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 01:57:42 +0300
reply-to:     kadri saar <ksaar@ut.ee>
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from:         kadri saar <ksaar@ut.ee>
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on thu, 8 jul 1999, jill chambers wrote:

> in the netherlands, lesbians can adopt, but not gay men...

hi everybody, this is my first post to the list, ive decided, enough of
lurkdom!:)
also, fyi, the netherlands accepts gay marriages, but *only* if one of you
is a citizen/resident of the country. so this doesn't really help, does
it?

i've been thinking of our song, and i think mine would be paul weller's
'you do something do me', it's a good question, ill have to ask my gf for
hers.

you do something to me - something deep inside
i'm hanging on the wire - for a love i'll never find
you do something wonderful - then chase it all away
mixing my emotions - that throws me back again
hanging on the wire, i'm waiting for the change
i'm dancing through the fire, just to catch a flame -
an' feel real again
you do something to me - somewhere deep inside
i'm hoping to get close to - a peace i cannot find -
dancing through the fire - just to catch a flame
just to get close to, just close enough -
to tell you that.....

you do something to me - something deep inside.

kate
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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 10:54:11 -0400
reply-to:     jen lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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hi folks,

i hope everyone is managing to stay cool with all these crazy
temperature highs (east coast especially)!

just wanted to let everyone know that i'll be sailing and unable to
access my computer from july 12 to july 16.

please be patient if you have administration problems and/or questions.

keep up the interesting indigo threads!

thanks,

jen lucero
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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 22:59:02 -0400
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hey, everyone. a little nigc message to brighten your day.

i'll be spending three days in pittsburgh next week for a music conference,
and i'll have some free time one afternoon. if you're local to the area,
this is your chance to share the name of your favorite used cd and/or lp
shop! if i could only go to one or possibly two used music places in town,
where should i go, and how do i get there?

thanks in advance!

deanna

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 00:34:16 edt
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cheers to the 1999 u.s women's national soccer team! we gotta hand it to
them, it's one of the only sports where women sit in the dominance seat...hip
hip, hooray!

ciao~
troop

"you gotta dance like nobody's watching, and love like it's never going to
hurt" ~taken from mike cunningham's padded boot envelope.

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 09:47:12 -0700
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i was sitting there waiting for cowboy junkies to take the stage and was
thumbing through my latest issue of mother jones when lo and behold, on the
inside back cover is a full-page ad for the spitfire tour. i never heard of
this.

anyway, the tagline reads "musicians, actors & activists speaking out on
global affairs. seems there was a small pilot tour in 98 on several college
campuses and they are going to do it again on a wider scale.

and here's the igc: (well it should read arc)

amy ray leads off the list of such notables as bill maher, ice-t, krist
novoselic and woody harrelson, among others.

if anyone is interested, the website is http://www.spitfiretour.com/

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 17:01:05 edt
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the girls are also playing at lillith fair in atlanta july 24th!

heather h.

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 22:21:04 gmt
reply-to:     beatific spice <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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regarding:
"something with a gay theme is brought up and in the middle of the
discussion, someone who is not gay tells everyone else to take it off-list
because they don't want to hear about it anymore. i don't know about my
other queer brothers and sisters on this list but when these attempts at
silencing us are made, not only do i feel stifled, i feel hurt that it would
happen on this list of all places."

queer sister #267, speaking up.

ryan, come on in.  have a seat.  queer-friendly sibling #397, darius, take
ryan's coat, please?..  queer-friendly sibling #635, michal, will rub your
feet.... shelley (qfs #972), put the kettle on, would you?  yes, yes, that's
better now, isn't it?  here, snuggle under this blanket that sus,
queer-friendly sibling #767, knitted.  i'll pat your head and everything
will be much better in a little while.  pooh (qfs #438), put some music on?
mark anthony (qfs #117), grab a marker, let's make a list!

1. the nigc'ers were asked to go private because they were doing what
nigc'ers do best: nigc'ing. not because they were talking queer.

2. ryan, ryan, ryan. we are not oppressed on this list. this list is, for
some of us, the only place where we can even say "gay", much less profess
our queerness. this list is a safe safe space (excepting those cans of
lesbian whup-ass, which i'm told are worse than a birkenstock to the
posterior).

3. both gay and straight queer-friendly siblings alike requested the topic
go private.

4. lastly, being that i am your queer sister, i want to gently remind you to
never, never forward private email to the whole list.  a spat between two
qfses should never be aired to all 800 of us.  we are queer-friendly
warriors, fighting worldly injustice where it breeds! we have no time for
the drama!  hear us roar!

now then. is everybody okay?
group hug.
i said, group hug.
(amanda, stop pulling julie's hair! you both got the dang scholarship; calm
down.)
thank you.
now everybody get off the computer and go shine your life like a light.

didactic drops of *j

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 12:12:22 edt
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children, children, please! mommy has a headache.

now that i have everyone's attention, i'd like to point out that this sort of
behavior is not required for list life. ryan and leigh anne have a
difference, and this ought to be taken and kept private. the rest of you
have no business fanning the flames.

let's end this now.

~~jennifer
(aka tigger, high priestess of amyism)

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   hello fellow listees! i'm usually off in the dark just lurking, looking
for great ig/related artists info. alas today i must break my silence for i
recived in the mail a belated birthday wish along with an added surprise.
last year i attended the ig show in starkville, ms. on april 19th, little did
i know that in that very crowd would be a person that i would become friends
with through a chat room. we lost touch with each other due to me moving and
work etc..  well we located each other again recently and she remembered that
my birthday was on the 5th (last monday). amyray i recived along with the
birthday wish none other than a pick that our dear miss emily used during the
show in starkville.  ok! how cool is that!?!?!? needless to say this is such
a wonderful addition to my ig collection. ok i think i have come out of
lurkdom long enough, back to the shadows i must go. have a wonderful day
everyone!!

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 11:54:04 -0400
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hey folks,

well, fresh from hearing the shock news that xena (warrior princess) has
been named 'warrior theologian of the year' by the illustrious door magazine
(www.the-door.org but it don't look like they've updated their pages to
reflect this...) i'd like to announce yet another neilytone cd offer...

indigo girls - to be expected '99:

(or, songs that will probably appear on their new album)

starring, (in alphabetical-ish order), select live (and digitally messed
with a little) versions of:

the boys just laugh
chiapas bound
cold beer and a remote control
faye tucker
go
gone again
let's make peace
ozilene
sister
soon be to nothing
winthrop

plus! a not so special bonus:

problem child (early version of go)

still have to finalise the running order and cover art (if any) and there's
also some more tracks i'm hoping will arrive, but i can't promise anything.
but if i don't announce the offer now, procrastination will set in
(again)...

'but how do i get my own, free, copy?' i hear from one or two of you...

just email me, and i'll tell ya! (it'll be a standard send a blank and
return ssae deal, go fig!)
but this is a limited time and numbers offer, so. i hope my cd burner holds
up, it's a little poorly today :o(

any questions, corrections, offers of the missing songs etc. you know where
i am, right??

cheers!

neil
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ps for information, these are the songs i haven't got at the moment:
andy - emily
philosophy of loss - emily
compromise - amy
nueva senorita - amy
forgiveness - amy
little darlin' - amy

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oh life is so difficult.
this is what i get when i try to post to the bulletin board at
indigogirls.com. can a computer type tell me what this means?

>error
>an error occurred while processing your request:
>position: insert
>class: dbms
>main error number: 0
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>[everyware][oracle]syntax error or access violation
>37000
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>position: insert
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>main error number: 907
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>[everyware][oracle]ora-00907: missing right parenthesis
>s1000

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 04:37:41 gmt
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hi.  me again.  this time around, i'm looking for two spac tickets.
you got 'em?  let's make a deal.  i've just conned my "...brother?... er,
boyfriend?... uh, friend?... uhh, *girlfriend*?", the die-hard rocker, into
a night of girlie folk.
this should be interesting.
anyways, anyone with extra tickets, throw them my way.  i'll love you
forever.

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ok...uncle!! stop :) that's all folks.

jude : o

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date:         sat, 10 jul 1999 13:34:25 edt
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closer to fine is about to come on vh-1 for any who are in front of a tv
right now... they just got done airing a 30 min special on lilith fair
artists, before they were rock stars... anyways, i just saw the preview for
ctf and thought many would be interested...sweet surrender by sarah mac. is
on right now, 12:39 central time
ciao~
trooper

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 07:02:59 gmt
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okay, this will be my last post tonight.  i swear.
this may have been discussed on here already before i got back.  my
apologies if so.  email me privately if this is the case.

the issue:
i was meandering around the spac website and found this little gem:
"preferred seating at spac is reserved for spac members, according to
membership category. we fill our ticket orders according to spac membership
levels and based upon how early we receive your ticket order....members'
orders are processed before non-members."

the proposition:
are any of you spac members? spac members who would like to help out a cute
curly little listee with getting just two decent seats?

the ideology:
the way i figure, there are still seats reserved for spac members, which are
not being sold to the general public. if, tomorrow, a spac member and i
both bought two tickets apiece, the spac member would get better seats. this
would be a bad thing for me, poor underpaid loopy ohioan student that i am.

the pathetic begging-&-pleading:
sigh. let me know if you're feeling particularly generous. i have boots
and good stuff (did i mention the tube socks?)i could float your way as
repayment.

even more self-prostrating:
please, o kind new yorkers?  see, there's this girl.  ohhh what a fine fine
girl.  let me tell you.  and, see, she just graduated college and went back
home, 450 miles from me, 20 mins from spac.
i thought it would be months before i'd see her handsome face again; i've
got no reason to go to ny state. but wait-- twenty minutes from spac?!
i called her up. "i'm coming," i said.  "will you go with me?"
"sure," she said.  she said sure.  this fine fine girl said sure, she'd go
to a concert with me.
i can't disappoint.  i must put on the ritz.  i must pull out all stops.  i
must give this girl quite a time.
ohhh please ppplease help spastic little me.  no better way to a girl's
heart than music, and no better way to music than good seats.  right?

the parenthetical disclaimer:
(i only bring such a despondently pleading request to you because i remember
how last year, when the girls played in columbus, barb and twink graciously
joined the columbus area arts organization, capa, in order to get preferred
seating for the indigohioans. i thought some new yorkers might have gotten
the same idea and purchased a membership, or perchance already have one.)

sniffle whimper whine
jill

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 14:35:01 edt
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dearest jill,

i can tell you what it means.. it means you're screwed..
the computer has many great ways to tell you to go away, we don't like you.
you just happened to encounter # 106 out of 2 million.

speak true. spread peace
kathleen

in a message dated 7/11/99 1:42:54 pm eastern daylight time,
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<< oh life is so difficult.
this is what i get when i try to post to the bulletin board at
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hi all!
if you have access to the buffalo, new york dave matthews concert boot or
know of someone who whoud like to dub it for me, please let me know
privately!!!
indigo-ly yours,
bethany

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 18:35:23 edt
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kind indigo greetings everyone!

my name is danielle & i'm from new york city. just popped into to say
"hello" to everyone! i'm brand new to the list (about 2 or 3 weeks) & have
enjoyed my stay so far :) here's my question! does anyone know where in
woodstock ny the spitfire tour will be? the website doesnt say & i really
wanna see the glorious amy!

you can email me privately if you'd like! thanks a bunch in advance
:)

-------dani

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 23:34:44 +0100
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ok - since i'm coming over to the usa soon (counting the days, people,
counting the days.....), i was just wondering whether any nyc listees
knew of any good music stores that stock a lot of music from independant
music labels, and more importantly had instructions on how to get to
those stores? thanks in advance......

john.
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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 18:47:00 edt
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hey y'all,

sorry for the nigc, but i was wondering if anyone on this list goes to yale
university?

thanks,
lauren

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 19:54:43 -0500
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i am writing to request your participation in a research study that
addresses issues related to well-being and life satisfaction in women. i am
a doctoral student in counseling psychology at the university of memphis
working under the supervision of tania israel, ph.d. the research will be
conducted using the attached 43-item questionnaire, and the time involved
should not exceed 30-minutes.

your participation will contribute important knowledge regarding well-being
and life satisfaction in women. your participation is entirely voluntary
and you can withdraw from participation at any time without penalty. if you
do withdraw, results from your participation will not be included in the
research and will be destroyed upon your request.

there is no discomfort or risk expected to be encountered in this research.
information in the study will be kept confidential within the limits allowed
by the law.  participation will require that you spend no more than 30
minutes completing the questionnaire.  the university of memphis does not
have any funds budgeted for compensation for injury, damages, or other
expenses.  the information you give will be used only for research.  return
of this survey will be considered your consent to participate.

thank you in advance for considering participation in this important
research. if you have any questions about the research project, they will
be answered by the investigator now and/or during the course of the project.
you may contact the investigator if you have any questions. if you have any
questions about your rights as a participant, they will be answered by the
chair of the committee for the protection of human research participants at
901-678-2533.

sincerely,

kristi ketz, m.s.
doctoral student
counseling psychology
the university of memphis
kketz@umemphis.campuscwix.net
(901) 678-2841

if you are a woman and are interested in participating in the study, please
e-mail me and i will send you the survey via e-mail.

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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 10:54:17 +1000
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hey folks,

this was posted to the newsgroup - write to joe at
fortunate1@mindspring.com for more info. i have no
affiliation, etc etc etc...

-sherlyn

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subject: fs: indigo girls - don't eat out of dented cans 12"
date: 11 jul 1999 18:58:56 gmt

released in 1987 - contains 2 tracks by the indigo girls (one unavailable
elsewhere)
walk away & don't give up on me baby

vinyl is brand new and sealed - never been played. $28 ( $25 + $3 u.s.
shipping).
visa/mastercard/amex/discover accepted.
please write to reserve and for payment info.
write with your indigo girls want lists as well.
peace!
joe

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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 11:34:39 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      lilith fair mailing list
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hi folks,

just a note to remind you all that there's a lilith fair
mailing list... to subscribe, send the following command
in the body of an email message to majordomo@smoe.org:
subscribe lilith-fair-fans <your email address>
(replace "<your email address>" with your real address,
minus the quotes and brackets)

or for digest:
subscribe lilith-fair-fans-digest <your email address>

cheers,
sherlyn
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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 18:54:43 -0700
reply-to:     ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
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i try to live my life according to the tenet of "treat others as you would
like to be treated." call it the last hurrah of a seasonal depression
leaving me just a bit too sensitive for my own good (we're just now getting
some sunshine in the great pnw) or call it just your basic stupidness of
someone who's been online long enough to know better but i have failed to
live my life on this list by that simple little rule.

there is another rule i live by in such situations and that is to be big
enough to admit when i am wrong. i should have handled things better or let
sleeping dogs lie when receiving somewhat distasteful email in my box. hard
for me to realize sometimes that not everyone gets my quirky sense of humor
and that no offense need be taken by me.

so i apologize to this list for my part in letting things get so out of hand
and will do my utmost to not let it happen again. and i apologize to you
leigh ann (or tony) for not explaining myself in a clearer fashion leading
to all this ruckus. if you care to continue to think of me as a stupid jerk,
that's fine. after all, as i've said before, what others think of me is
really none of my business unless they care to share their insights.

ryan
(we now return you to your regularly scheduled (n)igc)

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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 00:41:20 edt
reply-to:     opihf@aol.com
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from:         alison vickery <opihf@aol.com>
subject:      california ticket offer(ani, not igc)
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hey california folks~

here's the scoop.  a friend of mine has two awesome seats for the ani show in
fresno on monday july 12th.  she can't go, and she really wants someone to
get to use them.  only problem is, she's in san jose, so the only people that
might be interested would probably have to be bay area folk who want to drive
to fresno.  i know, it's a stretch.  but, hey, i flew down to la yesterday
for a free ani ticket, so who knows.  maybe someone else is as crazy as me.
anyway, if you're interested, the tickets are up for grabs, make an offer and
there yours.  don't email me, htough, cuz i don't have the tickets.  email
lea directly at leangel@hotmail.com

thanks,
alison

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date:         sun, 11 jul 1999 21:55:34 pdt
reply-to:     diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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from:         diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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hey jill and kathleen,

i had that same trouble when trying to post on the official indigo girls'
message board (www.indigogirls.com)--the epiccenter site. there is a way to
post on the board with whatever punctuation you like--it is using the web
date: mon, 19 jul 1999 15:50:02 +0000
from: "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8d)" <listserv@netspace.org>
subject: file: "indigo-girls log9907b"
to: underdog@earthlink.net

address plus a "id=83" or something like that. but since i don't remember
that address, the best i can tell you is this:

1.  use proper punctuation.  capitalize the start of sentences.  end them
with periods.
2.  do not use dashes, question marks, colons, or semi-colons.  for some odd
reason, the spellchecker on the message board site hates these.
3.  do not use apostrophes. (i.e. "can't".  use "cannot" instead, as in: i
cannot imagine going through a summer without attending an indigo girls
concert.)
4.  do not use parentheses.

here's an example of a post that should be able to go through:

yesterday, when i was taking a walk to work, i heard a snippet of galileo
blasting from a car driving by.  i was tempted to run out and stop the car
and ask what radio station they were listening to, but i did not.  silly me.
  by the way, do any of you know anyone who has extra tickets to the indigo
girls concert at the saratoga performing arts center.  please email me.
thanks.

posted by: arle@hotmail.com

i realize this may be hard to do, especially when you want to ask a
question, such as "does anyone have any spac tickets?" but, do your best.

i'm sure someone on this list knows the "punctuation-friendly" web address.
any takers?

diane

from: kathleen mccrea <sissookie@aol.com>
reply-to: sissookie@aol.com
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: re: bulletin board issues
date: sun, 11 jul 1999 14:35:01 edt

dearest jill,

i can tell you what it means.. it means you're screwed..
the computer has many great ways to tell you to go away, we don't like you.
you just happened to encounter # 106 out of 2 million.

speak true. spread peace
kathleen

in a message dated 7/11/99 1:42:54 pm eastern daylight time,
jillyc@hotmail.com writes:

<< oh life is so difficult.
this is what i get when i try to post to the bulletin board at
indigogirls.com. can a computer type tell me what this means?

  >error
  >an error occurred while processing your request:
  >position: insert
  >class: dbms
  >main error number: 0
  >
  >[everyware][oracle]syntax error or access violation
  >37000
  >
  >position: insert
  >class: dbms
  >main error number: 907
  >
  >[everyware][oracle]ora-00907: missing right parenthesis
  >s1000
   >>

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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 18:28:29 +1000
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hi folks,

long, long, long shot here, but i don't suppose anyone
has a spare ticket for the lilith fair in columbus oh?
i've been forwarding all these "tickets for sale"
messages on to the news-only list without really
reading any of them. it just occurred to me that i will
be *in* columbus at the time of the lilith fair there...
(doofus).

anyway. :)
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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 07:37:37 edt
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i still have 2 tickets to the july 24th atlanta lilith fair that i'm not
going to be able to use.  i know they are still available through
master-of-tickets, but was hoping that some fellow listee would help me out
and purchase them from me.  i got several "put my name in the hat" e-mails,
but all backed out.  :(
is trust an issue?  all i can give you is my word that i will get the tickets
to you before the concert...but it's a good word!  i'm 40 years old, mom of 2
wonderful teenagers (one of whom is on his way to college next month, and
whose bed linens should have been purchased with the money i spent on these
tickets!), and i live in south carolina.
is money an issue?  sigh...it is for me too.  i really need to sell these 2
tickets.  they are "lawn seating", for saturday july 24th, and i will reduce
the price of each ticket to $35 each.  if you are interested now  :)   please
send me an e-mail letting me know.  once again, to be fair to digest people,
i will wait until tuesday, july 13 at 6 pm edt, and draw a name from all the
e-mails i receive, if neccesary.  thanks!

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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 08:56:50 -0400
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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from:         "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
subject:      nigc: caroline aiken & coke
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hey - you guys have probably heard caroline aiken (from watershed video)
and didn't know it.  when caroline came to richmond to play a couple
shows with me, she told me she was doing a big ad campaign for coke and
finally, i saw the commercial last night.  ya'll know those summer coke
ads about that you can win a prize or something?  it sounds like bonnie
raitt singing in the background - that's caroline aiken - and then she
does the little voice-over at the end of the commercial.  anyhow - if
you've wondered what she sounds like, that's a good representation,
though she didn't write the commercial.

-tara

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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 12:41:11 -0400
reply-to:     chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
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from:         chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu>
subject:      nigc--roger waters tickets
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hi y'all-

my gf and i had planned to go to the roger waters (pink floyd) concert at
pine knob the 25th of this month, but she got in an accident and will be
unable to attend. so, i have 2 tickets, lawn, to the pine knob roger waters
concert for sale, 18 bucks a piece. let me know if anyone wants them.

thanks!
chris ii

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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 17:11:39 gmt
reply-to:     that loud girl <strange_fire66@hotmail.com>
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could the person organizing the spac listmeet please contact me--just got
tix to the show and would like to get in on the fun.
--shel

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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 15:44:24 -0400
reply-to:     sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
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from:         sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
subject:      invitation to join indigomeet@onelist.com

hello,

i would like to invite you to join the indigomeet mailing list.

the description of this mailing list is:

this list is intended to discuss meeting plans for the following indigo girls
shows: stanhope, nj 8/6/99 newport, ri 8/8/99 saratoga springs, ny 8/9/99e

you can join this list by going to the following web page:

http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/indigomeet

if you do not wish to join this list, please ignore this message.

thanks,

sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu
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date:         mon, 12 jul 1999 21:41:05 edt
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subject:      out of curiosity...
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hi all!

i'm going to be a freshman at hamilton college in ny in august. (anyone else
out there going to hamilton?)  anyhoo, all the "come to our college!" things
they distribute list ig as having performed at the college.  i searched
lifeblood and couldn't find anything... a date, a place... anything.  anyone
remember this show?  it would be nice to know that my school had been graced
by the presence of indigo :+)

love and laughter,
~kristen

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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 02:59:27 -0700
reply-to:     i never was the fantasy of what you wanted me to be
              <sgb29641@csun.edu>
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subject:      nigc: just for laughs . . . (fwd)
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got this one off one of my mailing lists on another account. ;)

---------- forwarded message ----------
canterbury, england. ad 999 - an atmosphere close to panic prevails today
throughout europe as the year 1000 approaches, bringing with it the
so-called "y1k bug" - a menace that, until recently, hardly anyone had ever
heard of. prophets of doom are warning that the entire fabric of western
civilization, based as it now is upon monastic computations, could collapse,
and that there is simply not enough time left to fix the problem.

just how did this disaster-in-the-making ever arise? why did no one
anticipate that a change from a three-digit to a four-digit year would throw
into total disarray all liturgical chants and all metrical verse in which
any date is mentioned? every formulaic hymn, prayer, ceremony, and
incantation dealing with dated events will have to be rewritten to
accommodate three extra syllables. all tabular chronologies with three-space
year columns, maintained for generations by scribes using carefully
hand-ruled lines on vellum sheets, will now have to be converted to
four-space columns, at enormous cost. in the meantime, the validity of every
official event, from baptisms to burials, from confirmations to coronations,
may be called into question.

"we should have seen it coming," says brother cedric of st. michael's abbey,
here in canterbury. "what worries me most is that 'thousand' contains the
word 'thou', ' which occurs in nearly all our prayers, and of course always
refers to god. using it now in the name of the year will seem almost
blasphemous and is bound to cause terrible confusion. of course, we could
always use latin, but that might be even worse. the latin word for
'thousand' is 'mille', ' which is the same as the latin for 'mile.' we won't
know whether we're talking about time or distance!"

stonemasons are already reported threatening to demand a proportional pay
increase for having to carve an extra numeral in all dates on tombstones,
cornerstones, and monuments. together with its inevitable ripple
effects, this alone could plunge the hitherto stable medieval economy into
chaos.

a conference of clerics has been called at winchester to discuss the entire
issue, but doomsayers are convinced that the matter is now one of personal
survival. many families, in expectation of the worst, are stocking up on
holy water and indulgences.

        battle on,
        shanie
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that i guess i always knew but just didn't dare admit: yes . . . i'm . . .
a thespian!!!"  -- minya to xena and gabrielle in "the play's the thing

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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 06:09:16 -0400
reply-to:     mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark anthony donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
subject:      nigc robin hoood was gay
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thought you all might enjoy this
robin hood was gay, preferred 'merrie men' - study
updated 11:16 am et july 12, 1999
london (reuters) - england's legendary outlaw robin hood was gay,
preferring his "merrie men" to maid marian, a leading english literature
professor said sunday.
the reassessment of one of britain's greatest folk heroes was greeted by
gay activists as a welcome -- if belated -- 'outing'. but the robin hood
society said the claims were damaging to one of the great role models for
today's children.

stephen knight, professor of english literature at cardiff university,
decided robin hood was gay after studying 14th century ballads that are
the earliest known accounts of his deeds.

"the ballads could not say outright that he was gay because of the
prevailing moral climate, but they do contain a great deal of erotic
imagery," he said.

"the green wood itself is a symbol of virility and the references to
arrows, quivers and swords make it clear too," he told the sunday times..

he said the ballads showed that maid marian -- always described as robin
hood's true love -- never existed.

knight thinks her name was added by 16th-century authors who wanted the
tale of the outlaw who robbed from the rich to give to the poor to be more
respectable to heterosexual readers.

his theory won backing from barry dobson, professor of medieval history at
the university of cambridge.

"in the 12th century, homosexuality was accepted, but in the 13th the
church became much less tolerant and such people were driven underground,"
he said.

robin hood has always been portrayed as a swashbuckling aristocrat who
became an outlaw after his lands were confiscated by king john in the
1190s.

peter tatchell of the gay rights group outrage was delighted by the new
academic speculation: "his lifestyle alone was enough to provoke
speculation. it's about time school history lessons acknowledged the
contribution of famous homosexuals."

but mary chamberlain of the robin hood society was outraged: "robin
remains a highly regarded figure the world over and children like to play
at being robin hood. these claims could do a lot of damage."

the sunday times concluded that in hollywood, it was mel brooks and not
kevin costner who had got the story right.

"the revelation flies in the face of kevin costner's portrayal of the
outlaw in 'robin hood: prince of thieves' and suggests that the title of
mel brooks's film 'robin hood: men in tights' was closer to the mark," it
said.

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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 13:46:33 +0200
reply-to:     "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
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subject:      birthday announcements (a little late)
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happy birthday!!!!!!!!!!!! (july 12 - 18)

july 12
indigowomyn@ruralcom.net (toye)
"...when you hate me, i can still love you."
--amy ray

july 14
cbunten@ped-gen-po.ped-gen.uiowa.edu (carol bunten)
"there i am in younger days, star gazing
painting picture perfect maps
of how my life and love would be"

july 17
donrich@neo.lrun.com (don richards)

*yay*

okay personal note:

hey guys, guess what?  things might get a little rocky with the birthday
list in the next few months.  you thought it was bad when my mom died
(which is was), but get this good luck.  my dad's cancer is now terminal,
and he has about 2-3 months.  and the majority of dealing with everything
is gonna fall on me because my dad screwed up his relationship with my
bro.  he screwed it up with me too, but as a favor to my mom i still put
up with him.  so i'll keep you updated.

anybody want my life (minus the girlfriend...i get to keep the girlfriend
*smirks*)?

love,
audra
bge

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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 09:57:08 -0400
reply-to:     michael cunningham <mcunningham@pbp1.com>
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subject:      re: ohio in lilith
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i checked the best available at ticketmaster but unfortunately they aren't
too good.
>>>>>>

igc! igc! igc!

well, not really - just a little .02 about tm.  bascially in my experience
with tm online - "best available" is not always best available.  whenever i
get tickets online i always check all of there options to see what they
have.  whether it's 'left-center', 'odd number seating', or just different
price ranges - many times it makes a big difference.

one example of this is that when you select best available, at many venues
one criteria for that is to be close to center. there could be available
seats more towards the side that is a lot closer to the stage. i would
certainly rather be 20 or 30 rows closer to the stage then having a center
seat.

also, one last note, i just bought tix's for a chastain amphitheater concert
(to be left unamed to protect the innocent) and wasn't happy with my initial
online seating selections.  when i called tm directly, i was able to
actually chose my specific seats.  kind of neat, actually.  since in
chastain, the side is a great deal closer to the stage then straight back, i
probably improved my seating by at least 10-20 rows by chosing ones closer
to the side (not actual rows - just got closer to the stage actually).
(bear in mind familiarity of the venue is important, but have the seating
chart handy regardless)  (and also remember some tm employees aren't as
helpful as others)

sorry for the length - just tryin' to help with using ticketmaster...
8-)
happy new moon...
a+e=ig
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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 12:05:18 -0600
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out of lurkdom to say;
hey all... i just read the lilith review at
http://wallofsound.go.com/news/stories/lilithfair071299.html
and i'm not sitting comfortable with it. is it just the mood i'm in, or is
the whole thang just of cranky? check it out for yerselves...
welp... *still* looking forward to seeing ig at lilith in edmonton here next
month, depressing reviews or not...
peace in yer day, kim
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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 11:18:55 -0700
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don't know what that review said.. but my sister just
came back from lilith at the gorge and said it rocked
hardcore. with the amount of concerts she attends (2
more this week) i'm inclined to believe her, and then
hate her guts cause i couldn't go :)

--- "kim: goddess in her own reality"
<smaug@telusplanet.net> wrote:
> out of lurkdom to say;
> hey all... i just read the lilith review at
>
http://wallofsound.go.com/news/stories/lilithfair071299.html
> and i'm not sitting comfortable with it. is it just
> the mood i'm in, or is
> the whole thang just of cranky? check it out for
> yerselves...
> welp... *still* looking forward to seeing ig at
> lilith in edmonton here next
> month, depressing reviews or not...
> peace in yer day, kim
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> and experience - well, that comes from
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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 14:22:32 edt
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i went to the second show at the gorge on july 10th, and personally, it
totally kicked ass.  i went last year too, and i did enjoy the music much
better, but who wouldn't with sinead o'connor, erykah badu, natalie merchant,
sarah, and of course the indigo girls? but this year, i felt a greater
energy.  i think this years crowd was a lot more diverse, though there was
still a very fair number of lesbians in the audience (no need to worry
everybody! =)).  but there was a lot more young people this year and i guess
to me this year's show just seemed a little bit more hyperactive.  my only
real complaint though was (and i don't wanna be flamed for it
plleaaaaaaaseeeee=)) that liz phair's voice didn't appeal to me much..i think
that is kind of an understatement though.  does anyone agree with me on this?
anyways, overall, it was a very great experience. =)

---lindy =)

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...here's how you can accomplish the thoroughly enjoyable task:

for a rose-p chat/discussion list, go to http://www.onelist.com and do a
search for the rose-p list.

be sure to visit rose's website at http://www.rosepolenzani.com, if you
haven't already done so, and always check the site regularly for
up-to-the-minute changes and information.

you can order rose's debut cd, "dragersville," by sending a check for $12 to
rose polenzani, c/o parhelion music, po box 970, evanston il 60204. rose's
newest cd release, "anybody," can be ordered through daemon records' website
at http://www.daemonrecords.com or by sending a check or money order for
$12/cd (+$3 for shipping, no matter how many discs ordered) to daemon
records, po box 1207, decatur ga 30031.

smooch.
*j

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>mahatma gandhi, as you know, walked barefoot most of the
>time, which produced an impressive set of callouses on his
>feet. he also ate very little, which made him rather frail,
>and with his odd diet, he suffered from bad breath. this made him what?

>a super calloused fragile mystic plagued with halitosis.

i only do this because i love you.
*j

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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 15:24:56 edt
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hey everyone!
got some karma to share here...first of all, whoever was trying to sell ani
tickets for los angeles, thank you so much. i forwarded the post to a friend
of mine (not on the list) who ended up buying them, and because she had
no-one to go with, i ended up flying to la at the last minute to go with her,
which was great! so thank you thank you thank you.

also, i just have to share this.  last week i went to see caroline aiken in
berkeley.  she was pretty cool, but i really dug the opener, christie
mccarthy.   i wanted to buy her cd, but i didn't have the cash.  i signed up
for her mailing list though, and was totally blown away when the other day i
received her cd in the mail, with a note saying to send her the money if i
liked it and to send it back if i didn't.  i thought that was so cool.  it
just exemplifies trust and community among folk/ independent music circles.
so in exchange for her trust, i thought i'd spread the word.  check her out:
christie mccarthy.  she reminds me a lot of catie curtis and dar williams.

alison

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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 18:56:05 -0400
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michael cunningham wrote:

> i checked the best available at ticketmaster but unfortunately
they aren't
> too good.

no, you're right... they're not too good. the very evening tickets went
on sale
we purchased ours online... and got the middle, in the far back of the
pavilion.

but, tonight we got a postcard in the mail from ticketmaster stating that
hole
was no longer participating in lilith at polaris and we could get a refund:

"please be advised that hole will no longer be performing at the august
10,
1999 lilith fair event at polaris amphitheater.
if you wish to obtain a refund you may do so by mailing your tickets,
along with
this postcard to: (blah blah blah)
all tickets for refunds must be received in our office no later than friday
july
30, 1999. no refunds will be issued after that date."

so, though finding out hole would be there (when the girls would not)
helped
us decide to go this year... the fact that they won't be there now (and ig
will!)
will... in no way... make us ask for a refund!

still, it is possible some folks will... one could hold out till closer to that
date of
july 30th and check availability... and opt for a lawn seat at the last
minute if they
had too!

good luck folks! hope to see some of you there!

twink!
(who's counting herself lucky that she did get tickets when she did!)
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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 19:07:45 -0400
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for those who want to know... blazing hot news reports...
---------------------------------------------------------
shawn mullins taped a performance for vh1's hard rock live
show on june 2nd in nyc. he also did interview bites
that will air within show. airdate september 11th on vh1.
---------------------------------------------------------

connect w/shawn mullins online at:
http://www.shawnmullins.com

just wanting to keep folks informed!
:)
twink!

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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 16:42:53 -0700
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hey all-
  had to share my indigo moment of the day.  i needed one today too!!
  but first a couple of questions:
  in the song "dead man's hill" amy sings "i told you what i feel most"
what does that mean - is that about her sexuality or something
different?
  also, just bought michelle's album, "beneath the devil moon" and love
it.  where can i get the lyrics, and is she touring - where/when?
  anyway, onto indigo -
  as of lately, i've been slowly "coming out of the closet" and have
been spending a lot of time in the library getting books to read.
  i came across 2 books the other day that sounded really interesting,
so i grabbed them.  the first one was called "the shared heart" and is
different short stories of glbt teens to early 20's (around my age) and
what they went/are going through.
  once i got home, i sat on the couch (with michelle malone playing)
and opened the book.  what an omen to find the first bisexual woman
shared my name and age at the time of printing.  i am taking it as a
good sign from above (lol).  anyway, so i flip the book over and am
reading the quotes and who is on the back with a quotation but our own
emily sailers, from the indigo girls!!  talk about too ironic.
  then i went to open the other book, "the world out there," and found
on one of the pages that the girls are listed as the #1 best cd (rop)
by a lesbian/bisexual singer/group.
  thanks for reading ya'll.  if anyone can let me know of any other
good books to read, feel free to send the titles.
  thanks so much!!
stephanie

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date:         tue, 13 jul 1999 19:15:58 -0400
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um hi

some of you folks said you went to lilith at the gorge. could you kindly
tell us about the setlist, the girls, etc.?

please?

don't tease me, i don't like it. ask my canadian.

xxo
sus

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backed out on me and i will be making the 5 hour trip alone.  it would =
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peace, love, & indigo

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samantha wrote:

in the song "dead man's hill" amy sings "i told you what i feel most" what
does that mean - is that about her sexuality or something different?

i think this line is just about being conversationally intimate and true
about your feelings to a person.  it may be that amy could be talking about
her sexuality.  honesty is really a bare, sometimes ugly, sometimes
beautiful thing.  but, to open yourself up to a person, and share "what
[you] feel most" whether it be about school, work, people, sex, women's
issues, or about what has been on your mind lately--it is truly letting
someone in your soul, and see your vulnerability, and have that trust.

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arrgh... i missed samantha's post about dmh (prolly when i went off list
temporarily so's not to crash my mail box whilst i idled away on the bc
coast, vacationing amidst all that there liquid sunshine...) sigh... and
these are my favorite discussions, being a "lyrics oriented" kinda gal... :-)
anyhoo...
>samantha wrote:>
> in the song "dead man's hill" amy sings "i told you what i feel most" what
>does that mean - is that about her sexuality or something different?
and then diane responded in a thought provoking way with a post i've gotta
agree with 100%... but lest this digress into a "me too" spiral of inanity,
i'll add my (arguably)
(okay... *very* arguable) :-)$1,000 bit of philosophizing...
i've always loved the line that comes right after "i told you what i fear
most"... you know; "and you kept it like a ghost... forever"
i wonder, is amy talking about how the things she told to this friend are
like spirits that haunt her? if the relationship is "dead" then everything
that was a part of it still exists in her memory as though it were alive...
the way the memory of a loved one who has died stays with you. "remembering
in your heart" is the only way to hold on to the cherished past that is no
more with that person...
ummm... okay... i'll stop tapping here. my fingers are sore, cause i'm home
alone...my gf is away visiting family and for the last few days i've been in
a writing frenzy, working on a "women oriented" fantasy novel ( no, not
*that* kind of fantasy... sheesh ) i'm on chapter fifteen +
climbing...lol... gots four more days of solitude, so i'm making hay while
the sun shines:-) i *know* i'll be distracted when she gets home:-)
peace in your world, all... kim

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http://www.vh1.com/100women/vote.tin
go and vote for the top 100 women artists!

you know who!

i was looking through their list of 100 top albums by women, and ig is
42!!! (the answer to the question of the meaning of life, nonetheless!)
it almost frightens me, however that they're ahead of carole king's tapestry
and joni mitchell's blue.....
but hey...thats ok i guess....
its just those seem more influential and historic or something.....
carol
ps- is anyone going to the voices on the verge show from the cleveland area,
or at least taking i-480 or i-71 to get there (or i-80 even)?

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in a message dated 99-07-13 14:26:06 edt, you write:

<< i think this years crowd was a lot more diverse, though there was
still a very fair number of lesbians in the audience (no need to worry
everybody! =)). >>

that's funny. this list is the only place (that i'm attached to) that one
would expect people to be worried about *not* having lesbians in the
audience. everyone i know is usually worried about lesbians being there at
all....just thought i'd comment:)

pax, celeste:)

whoever has the link for the ig mp3s, could you please send it to me? thanks!

i may have to change plans and not make my east coast indigo pilgrimage.
i'm just curious if there would be any interest in the following if i tried
to sell them. this is not an offer, just testing the waters.

stanhope, nj 8/6/99--2 tickets, $30 each
saratoga springs, ny 8/9/99--2 tickets, $30 each
newport folk festival 8/8/99--2 tickets, $40 each

i'll handle the postage and you can avoid extra charges via ticketmaster.

let me know if you'd be interested. it will help me make a painful decision.

thanks!
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bootleg page: http://www.geocities.com/colosseum/field/3349/boots.htm

i guess i should have done this to start with. seat locations:

saratoga: section 3, row t
stanhope: section blue, row w
newport is general admission

thanks again.
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hi,
there is a super rare ig autographed promo item for sale at ebay.it's a
hammer that was distributed as promo material for the cd release of hammer
and a nail by ig.....it's clearly autographed.
follow the link.............
http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/ebayisapi.dll?viewitem&item=131599760

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