lifeblood: listlogs: 1999-09e


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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 20:00:09 edt
reply-to:     wishmonstr@aol.com
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from:         "e. moranian bolles" <wishmonstr@aol.com>
subject:      re: chris ii's play by play
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talbotc@umich.edu writes:

<<  what is a cicada shell?>>

and then said:

<<what's a cutbank?>>

raise your hand if you're not from the south! :)

*ehem*

and then, on a less playful note:

<<  sister reprise:  cool storm.  cool accoustics.  haunting.  love it.  if
you
ever get the urge to do ig karioke, here's your chance! >>

actually, while we're on the subject... a few months ago, i was at a record
store and a tad bored.  while poking through the karoke tape section, i
happened upon one for the philadelphia sndtrk, which included the ig track!
how exciting...

~ elizabeth

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 20:03:21 edt
reply-to:     joanm12345@aol.com
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greetings kind friends,

happy cons day!  i have not yet listened to the cd, because i plan to have a
few people over this evening to listen to the cd.  believe me, it is an
excercise in delayed gratification.

today, i rescued a handful of copies of on nashville (the non-subscribe
version of the tennessean's weekend section) from the newsrack this evening.
the article's not that great, but the color cornfield photo is cute.  i
picked up f5 copies.  in honor of this special day, i will send a copy to the
first five people to e-mail me.

ready, set, go, go, go

peace!

joan :-d

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 20:03:50 edt
reply-to:     jilly c <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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from:         jilly c <jillyc@hotmail.com>
subject:      nigc. jane siberry tour dates
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so you say you were wondering what ms. siberry
has had up her finely-manicured sleeve?
you say you really liked her on the sst
and have been impatiently awaiting her return?
i know, i know, little lambs.
i hear you bleating.
and so, like a good shepherd,
i round you up and say,
shows. ohh. go.

1999 siberry solo pilgrim tour

october 22              winnipeg, mb            west end cultural center
october 31              wakefield, pq           black sheep inn
november 6              brussels, belgium       ancienne belgique
november 8              london, england         borderline
november 9              london, england         queen elizabeth hall
november 15     galway, ireland         roisin dubh
november 17     cork, ireland           the lobby
november 18     belfast, n. ireland     the errigle inn
november 24     dublin, ireland         vicar street
december 3 & 4  new york city, ny       the bottom line
december 7              portland, or            aladdin theatre
december 8              seattle, wa             century ballroom
december 11&12  los angeles, ca         largo
december 13     san francisco, ca       great american music hall

for additional information, please visit
http://www.sheeba.ca/tour.html


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date:         wed, 29 sep 1999 10:05:15 +1000
reply-to:     "ghelen@act.paxus.com.au" <ghelen@act.paxus.com.au>
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from:         helen <ghelen@act.paxus.com.au>
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well it's still at least two weeks 'til australia gets cons.....i think i
will feel like i know the album backwards before i've even heard it! all
these reviews are really getting my curiosity going. i can't help reading
everyone's views on it but in some ways, i wish i didn't do it because now
when i do finally hear it (haven't yet heard one song) i will be thinking
things like 'oh this is the song most people think is too this" or "yeah i
agree with what most of you are saying about the lyrics in that one" etc
etc.

oh well. i'm just jealous really. and it's really hard waiting for three
new albums. new tori, new indigo girls and (for aussies who know them) new
whitlams. arrrghh! how can i get to know intimately three new albums in
such a short space? which will i listen to the most? thank god i have extra
cash right now.


helen

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 20:06:22 edt
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in a message dated 9/28/99 8:21:50 am eastern daylight time,
neily@netreach.net writes:

<< 1) musically, it bears more than a passing resemblance to 'i don't want to
live on the moon' by ernie (of sesame street fame). i kid you not. >>

that's so true!
everyone i know keeps bringing up sesame street music today... so weird...
~ elizabeth

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 19:08:08 -0500
reply-to:     geoffrey bleeker <gsbleeker@mail.utexas.edu>
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is it just me, or does this song sound really, really, really, really greatful dead-ish?  from the beat, the easy-going feel of the song, to the whistling...
hmm....maybe amy was channeling jerry?

who knows, stranger things have happened...

-geoff

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 19:20:55 -0500
reply-to:     jen mek <jmek@earthlink.net>
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subject:      my first thoughts about cons
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don't get me wrong, i am a big ig fan.  but what i love most about ig is
their harmonies, acoustic guitar style and capabilities and their beautiful
lyrics.  i don't see much of that here at all.

i don't like peace tonight.  i thought that trouble would have made a
better single.  i don't think i like any of amy's songs. especially
compromise.

i'm sure that i'll like it as time goes on, but i just can't say i like it
yet.  i liked sots much more then i liked this one.  they've just wandered
too far from where they came.

peace and pride,
- jen mek

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 20:44:54 -0400
reply-to:     starbuck@sympatico.ca
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subject:      re: new ig site
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>
> i don't know,  this whole new site has got me flusterred .  i suppose it
> would help  if things weren't so chaotic over there, but then i suppse
> that could be eliminated by  changing things little by little instead of
> pulling the whole rug out.

you can still access the old site at:

http://www.epiccenter.com/epiccenter/indigogirls/artistupdate.qry

sandy
:)

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 20:47:25 edt
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after declaring sister is my favorite on cons, and after listening to it over
and over again, i think on the 2nd verse, when amy sings about the woman on
the road, i think emily's singing at the background is the woman's point of
view.

any comments?

dot

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 21:07:13 edt
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subject:      we are together resemblance anyone?
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ok, i'll post more later about the cd but anyone who listened to we are
together (#8 on the cd) hear a strong resemblance in the guitar part to
saturday night's alright (for fighting) by elton john???
wasn't one of emily's major influences elton john?  hmmmm....
thoughts...
:)
carrie

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 18:10:11 pdt
reply-to:     karen murphy <murphyslaw77@netscape.net>
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holy shit. they are *fucking* brilliant....!!!!!!!!!!
i dont know what to do. i really don't . none of my roommates understand my
elation. they keep saying things like "why is karen dancing on the table?"
"why is karen singing into a long neck bud?"  "why is karen repeatedly saying
'holy shit' followed by freakish laughter?"  "why is karen screaming off our
balcony?"  duh!!!!! isnt it obvious???????????
i am utterly manic and euphoric right now. dont know what to do. i love amy. i
love emily. they are brilliant. brilliant. brilliant. i love guitars. i love
drums. i love banjos. i love mandolins...... somebody please run, walk, drive,
fly, sail, or parachute to dc so i can bond with another ig enthusiast. i cant
handle this on my own. someones going to get hurt.... i love. i love. i love.
i would be a shadow of a fraction of a speck of dust without music in my
life...... it's too beautiful. brain.... can't..... process....
and those sneaky little bitches!!!!  =0)   hidden tracks galore! why won't
they let me make me dinner? i'm a good cook and never lacking bottles of
wine.......
that's freaking *it*. whoever is going to the dc show will have to suffer
meeting me. talking ig on a computer isnt as good as the real thing..... i
want to meet all of you wonderful ig lovers!!!!!!  nurse, my sedatives please.
i will not sleep tonight. september 28 is a holiday. i will not work, go to
school, do laundry, clean my bathroom grout, weed my garden, or participate in
any activity that is not strictly indigo related on this date in the
future..... everyone who is as high as i am now, please struggle to remember
how this feels the next time you have a bad day. oh for the love of all things
holy, why cant everyone love ig????????
peace tonight,
karen......................

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 21:16:55 edt
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greetings kind friends,

happy cons day!  i have not yet listened to the cd, because i plan to have a
few people over this evening to listen to the cd.  believe me, it is an
excercise in delayed gratification.

today, i rescued a handful of copies of on nashville (the non-subscribe
version of the tennessean's weekend section) from the newsrack this evening.
the article's not that great, but the color cornfield photo is cute.  i
picked up f5 copies.  in honor of this special day, i will send a copy to the
first five people to e-mail me.

ready, set, go, go, go

peace!

joan :-d

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 20:20:36 -0500
reply-to:     jules <jules@mr.net>
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howdy all,


> "we'll be wading in a river to our knees"
> inspiration for the water photo inside the cd booklet and on the website ???
> just a thought !!!
> chris - bummed about the lack of photos included in the cd ... only 2 ???

        well, there's always a price to pay i guess.  i bought the digipack and
there's only one photo with that.  <heavy sigh>   i guess i'll just have
to surround myself with  other photos while listening for the ????th
time.

        happy listening and happy indigoday to all!

        jules

        "simplify, simplify, simplify!!! that is the key to true happiness!!"

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 21:29:14 edt
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like the version of sister that is hidden better than the one listed :)

hooray for hidden tracks!

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 18:32:11 pdt
reply-to:     diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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from:         diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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i forgot my pager this morning at home, and i am on-call today.  so, after
morning rounds, i tell myself i can sneak home to get the dang black box and
hurry back without being missed.  my mind momentarily indulges in an escape
to "mediaplay" to obtain come on now social, but then returns sensibly to my
cranium.

slightly disappointed at my seeming loss of obsession, i turn on the radio
on my way back to the hospital.  the female deejay (wxpn, 88.1fm in central
pa) is commenting on the indigo girls' new album, which she says, was
released last tuesday (oh yeah, to her!).  and then, subsequently, "trouble"
comes raucously over the radio waves, with emily's voice singing, "get to
the point of it..."

the production is so smooth on this album, and i've only heard three tracks
of it: t, sbtn, and pt.

oh, yes, i'm envious of y'all who got cons today.  but, it will be in my
hands, at 1:30pm tomorrow.

diane

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 21:43:28 edt
reply-to:     thewipe2@aol.com
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subject:      need 1 ticket for the lowell show...
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hello! is there any chance anyone here has an extra lowell ticket??? please
help, if you do. thank you so much!!!!
shayna

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 22:02:59 -0400
reply-to:     beccie lyon <beccie@websunshine.com>
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ok guys you know the drill i got a new background you want it email me. and
it is yours. i aint sayin where i got the pics but.....i got them none the
less. you want it email me and i will start burnin up my modem just for you
guys....tee hee

<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
peace love & indigo light
beccie lyon

move me, thrill me,
take me out of my existence and show me the stars.

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 22:32:22 -0400
reply-to:     marivel danielson <marivel@umich.edu>
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sorry to interrupt the cons discussion, but i have a quick question.  those of
you who attended the suffragette sessions tour will remember the stunning
lourdes perez, a puerto rican singer/songwriter out of texas.  she's looking at
doing some quite rare (as of late) us dates on the east coast in the baltimore
and jersey coast areas.  so my question is...does anyone have ideas of clubs,
cafes or other venues which might be interested in booking lourdes?  she's
mostly solo acoustic and sings traditional and original material in spanish.
check out her current webpage at:
http://www.angelfire.com/tx/lourdesperez/index.html

so if you have any ideas, suggestions or tips, please let me know!  she'll be
touring in november, so we have to act quick!  trust me, if she plays live
anywhere near you, you'll be incredibly lucky to witness such talent...

marivel

"que no se sienten las rocas si hay amor al otro lado..." --lourdes perez

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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 21:39:09 -0500
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subject:      philosophy of loss
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date:         tue, 28 sep 1999 22:45:50 edt
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adding my new album experience to the list--

i ordered it off of amazon.com--b/c i had a 10 dollar certificate.

however, i went out and bought the darn thing tonight, anyhow--and, the sales
boy tried to bond with me telling me that he didn't have any indigo girls
music--but, he had a new cd burner--and, he was going to copy a friend's cd.

i won't get into sales people who try to bond with you when there really are
no bonding points to be had (i worked in a bookstore for over a year--it's
hard to bond with certain southern high school students who think that
hemingway wrote "the adventures of huckleberry finn.")--

but, i'm currently listening to the cd--it is very interesting, so far.
won't make decisions on fave's, etc. until i've heard it numerous times.

cheers to all of those who bought it midnight....

claudia

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"by the time she runs down the bluestone path, it doesn't make a bit of
difference what people think or what they believe.  there are some things,
after all, that sally owens knows for certain:  always throw spilled salt
over your left shoulder.  keep rosemary by your garden gate.  add pepper to
your mashed potatoes.  plant roses and lavender, for luck.  fall in love
whenever you can."

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i must have missed one of the e-mails...

what is the address for the new site?

ack.

thanks!

claudia

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i agree emily was a little lacking but her songs are always from a different
direction from amy's.

    i was built up for more than cons brought me.  amy's songs did please me
but emily though i find her songs too dripping i feel that maybe her tragedy
of late affected her in a closing way.  i hope it will grow on me.  colline

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"diane wong" <arle@hotmail.com> wrote:
karen,

did you know that you just told 700 people your pin number? *lol*

diane :)

no no no noooooooooooo, my dad was being facecious!!! amy's b-day isn't
*really* my pin #!!!!!!
=0)  -k

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karen murphy <murphyslaw77@netscape.net> wrote:


" why can't they let me make me dinner? i'm a good cook and never lacking
bottles of
wine......."

ok, yeah... i meant to say make them dinner! (but y'all knew that..)
latest update of mental status:  as i sat and read liner notes as if it was
the bible, i was so absorbed that i ate the sticker on the apple i was
eating..... and im sooooooooooo psyched b/c i fig. out how to play a lot of
the songs on my gee-tar. yee-ha!!!
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i think it depends on the cicada, for their pupa stage....
i know there is the 17 year cicada (made me happy cuz i was 17 when they
hatched last!), but they're not *all* cicadas.  but, em porbabbly *does*
mean some sort of long gestation period!
carol


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hey y'all,
ah, but see the interesting thing about cicadas is,
they only hatch every *14* years. this is a very rare
& interesting phenomenon in the insect world, & i'm
sure that if i'd heard this song, i'd be able to point
out some deep, moving analogies/imagery em is using...
but alas, i will have to wait until cons is delivered
to my mailbox. soon, i hope.
peace,
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if you love cons!!!!!!
just wanted y'all to know that im 1/2 drunk b.c i had a release paryt by
myslef and danced like a loon and really made myself laugh a little too much.
i was crying and wheezing..... i ccant take it!!!!!!
dammit, there was somthing else i wanted to say..... oh yeah!!!
(im cracking up.... wish you could see my pathetic drunk self on camera)
anna hidalgo doesnt know what she's freaking missing!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ha   !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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***
nealy wrote!

1) musically, it bears more than a passing resemblance to 'i don't want to
live on the moon' by ernie (of sesame street fame). i kid you not.
***

i've been thinking the same thing!!  (also,  this song makes me feel
*really* weird, and i know its partially because of that, and partially
because of the lyrics, though i can't explain it.  i've never felt like
however it is i feel when i hear it.....)

also, we are together makes me think of elton john's saturday nights alright
for fighting...the guitar riffs anyway....

carol

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now that i've downloaded the screensaver from thw website, how the hell
(pardon the sophistication) do i get it to be the screensaver?????  somebody
help me!!!
thanks :)
now back to your regularly scheduled program...
cons :)
carrie

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ok, i am writing a letter to my school's administration about gay awarness at
my school... and i would like to get your feedback. just lt me know what you
think i should add, delete ect. it would be greatly appriciated

miss jacobs
carmel high school administration


dear miss jacobs:
    my name is casey foulks, which is not of importance. you have probably
never heard of me before. i don't play sports, nor do i have much involvement
in clubs or organizations at this school. i do theatre, and that is about it,
it basically consumes my time. but my lack of involvement in the school is
not why i am writing this letter. this letter is about a certain lack of
knowledge in a place where there is supposed to be a plethora of it. this
lack of knowledge cannot be taught in a class; it is not the teacher's job.
the students cannot learn it themselves, that is not possible. the people who
lack this knowledge do it by no fault of their own. this knowledge i am
referring to is known as gay rights, and gay awareness.
    i myself am not a lesbian. i am confused about my sexuality at this point
in time, which is true of many teenagers at this school.  i have a belief
that no one can really know who he or she truly is until they are older. the
way that i feel right now could bst be described as bisexual. this is a huge
part of my life, it affects me everyday. not only because of my feelings, it
is because of a reason many people do not even realize. there is a very
negative feeling in this school when it comes to the issue of homosexuality.
everyday i walk down the halls and hear kids calling other kids names such as
faggot, gay homo, lesbo, dyke, and many others; even in one of my classes i
get called these names often. when i hear these words my heart breaks. these
terms are offensive and disturbing to hear. true, nothing so outrageous has
happened that it has drawn the attention of the school. no hate letters have
been sent and no major hate crimes have been committed. the reason that i say
major hate crimes is because even the name calling is consideered a hate
crime.  but isn't this what we are supposed to prevent? last year an
offensive statement was shouted out at our school's musical teaser to one of
our actors who was "out of the closet". to my knowledge nothing was done to
discipline this person.
    in our pathways, there is a statement called the "diversity statement."
it says "the carmel clay school community is dedicated to fostering an
environment which promotes education and well being regardless of age,
appearance, gender, nationality, race religion, sexual orientation, and
socio-economic status... respect for human diversity will be encouraged,
followed, and enforced by the carmel-clay schools."
    in theory, this statement is great. nothing, to the best of my knowledge,
has been done to uphold this statement. to get to the point, i am not trying
to tell you (as the administration) that you are not doing your job. you are
just not doing enough.
    i would like to help you with this. now don't get me mistaken, i am not
doing this for myself. i am a senior this year; i will graduate at the end of
the year and be able to join an organization in college. i am doing this for
the many students that will go through this school in the future and have to
put up with ridicule and have nowhere to turn for help. there are many
options. indiana has a wonderful program. iyg, indianapolis youth group, is
formed to help indiana's gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered youth. but
many kids here in carmel do not have the means to get downtown, or do not
know how to get to iyg. we need an organization at this school for these kids
who have no place else to turn. we need to do something before there is an
extreme need to.
    there are many choices that we can make. clubs, organizations, awareness
days, etc. i would suggest maybe a club similar to iyg. glbt (gay, lesbian,
bisexual, trans-gendered) organizations, gsa (gay-straight alliance) would
make the difference that we are trying to accomplish. we could also have a
"gay rights awareness day" and bring in speakers and orginizations such as
iyg.
    i do not know what your views are. i do not know how you feel about the
situation this school is in. the majority of students at this school are
demanding a change. it would be difficult to send around a petition; no on
would sign it because they would be afraid. we need to get rid of this fear
by informing the student body. the club we would create would be totally
anonymous, and would meet at an undisclosed location. we need to make a
change before something happens that would require it. thank you very much
and please get back to me. my e-mail address is
lindystar2@aol.com.

sincerely,
casssandra foulks

so just write me back and let me know what you think

casey

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i discovered today that i'm missing the email address for this fine fan. last
time i talked with her, she was a professor at tcu in fort worth, texas. are
you still out there, ma'am?

thanks,
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the newspaper article/photo offer is now closed.  i ran down and picked up
extras, but they're all gone now!

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try to unzip it then run the .exe, it will automatically install it into your windows directory...

it's pretty mediocre really, i'm sure one of us can do better... maybe i'll give it a go. i think it would have been better with the whole song, and more pictures... but then it would have been pretty big...

the best thing is to find the .exe in your windows directory and then run it by itself... just like a mini movie...

nice shot of them playing in the river... where's that promo shot!! dang they are holding out on us


on tue, 28 sep 1999 23:55:05   iudoremi wrote:
>now that i've downloaded the screensaver from thw website, how the hell
>(pardon the sophistication) do i get it to be the screensaver?????  somebody
>help me!!!

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looks like it's the same date as in oz-land... october 4th general release... but probably instore on tuesday the 5th... ah well only a week behind... *twiddle*


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in a message dated 9/28/99 9:30:56 pm eastern daylight time, jules@mr.net
writes:

<< i bought the digipack and
there's only one photo with that. >>

i think there are two in mine... ?
~ elizabeth

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is it me or am i going crazy? every time i hear "peace tonight," i feel that
at any second it is going to stop and rebuff itself again and again. you can
blame launch.com for that! this is brutal!

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okay, since i'm sure you've all been waiting with bated breath for my cons
review, here goes:

go: ain't nothin' wrong with this song. it reminds me of a less severe and
more melodic shed your skin, at least musically. maybe i'm nuts...probably.
the song isn't necessarily one of amy's best, but it has definite forward
motion and it surely isn't boring. the speaking part in the middle is kinda
eerie, don'cha think? at any rate, i like it, and it hasn't even had to grow
on me, ala shed your skin and scooter boys.

soon be to nothing: yes, the "be/to" arrangement of words confuses me
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consistently. i kept thinking it had to be a typo in all of the early posts
i was seeing, till i heard the 9:30 boot.  the melody is very repetitive,
but i like it. amy sounds like an angel on the background "aaahhhs," and
em's voice is like buttah. this song is so laidback--the harmonies are
soothing. i could definitely fall asleep to this. it'd be something i played
for my kids if they had the flu or something.

gone again: loved it from the moment i heard it at dickenson college last
spring. while i agree with those who say it's overproduced on this album, at
least she still whistles. and the whole thing is just infectiously
rollicking...impossible to keep still on this song.

trouble: emily? emily??? no way. if i didn't know better, i'd-a thought this
was emily trying to be amy. love it, though. one of her strongest on here,
in my opinion.

sister: as a diehard emily person, this song didn't immediately jump out at
me. amy's dark stuff has a tendency to blend together till i listen to it
over and over and over... haunting and beautiful--i doubt this will take as
long to grow on me as dgtgag did.

peace tonight: i agree that there were a lot of much stronger songs to
release as a single. why, oh why wasn't philosophy of loss a "main" song and
this one a secret song?  it's nice and happy-go-lucky and a definite sister
to get out the map, but come on... not my favorite, but it's fun and sure to
become a sing-along. maybe we could make this the closer to replace ctf???
it has potential.

ozilline: i just love this song. it got me right from the beginning (i love
listening to older people tell stories) and that peppy, bluegrass-y feel is
just infectious. i know i used that word once before, but that's kinda the
overall feeling i get from this album.

we are together: i don't like the guitar at the beginning. it seems campy
and drowns out em's voice. there's nothing outstanding about this song, but
it sorta just makes me wanna make out with someone underneath a maple tree.
don't ask me why, maybe i'm pms-ing or something (ew, i know), but this song
puts me in the mood. ;)

cold beer and remote control: converse to wat, i really like the guitar at
the beginning. this song basically describes my life right now. between
working fulltime and rehearsing for this musical for three hours every
night, all i want to do is veg out when i get home (although i usually opt
for the cold soda; beer tastes like a certain bodily fluid, imo). catchy,
fun song, and i like the harmonies. emily seems to really let loose and just
have fun with it, which is nice to hear.

compromise: love it. there's not much i can say, other than amy rocks. i
can't wait till (if?) she does her solo album!!

andy: for those of you who own patty griffin's "flaming red" album, the
beginning chords totally remind me of her "goodbye."  sweet, sad song.
emily's voice has really improved. she no longer has to reach, straining,
for those high notes--the voice lessons must've paid off, b/c she sounds
great.

faye tucker: okay, this song just makes me chuckle b/c of the mental images
it gives me. picture this:
**prior to the maniacal laughter - amy is a drunken redneck, complete with
enormous belt buckle and lip-ful of chaw, leaning on a slot machine, telling
this stuff about faye tucker to any schmoe who will listen.
**the maniacal laughter - damn. amy. don't do that while i'm alone in the
dark, okay?
**after the maniacal laughter - amy is a mental patient, eyes beady and
darting, scurrying around a psychiatric ward trying in vain to convince the
other patients of her conspiracy theories.

natascha atlas is marvelous--holy goodness.  oh, to have a voice that
gyrates and seduces like this instead of this plain old white european
soprano. <sigh>

sister (reprise): i agree with whoever said that she should have finished
this version--don't tease us, amy!  this song could really scare the hell
out of me if i was alone in the dark. or if i was alone with the little girl
from the cover--am i the only one who thinks she looks demonic?  <shudder>

philosophy of loss: by far my favorite, as a solid em person. i, too, am
bitter that i have to fast forward through faye tucker and the sister
reprise to get to it. the words are so great. i actually don't think they're
in such a contrast to the music. the melody has a sort of sad longing to it,
and that's what i feel like em is trying to convey. she wishes our world
wasn't like this, but it's the way things are going. oh...the first verse
makes me weep.

although, now that neil pointed out the "i don't want to live on the moon"
thing, that's all i can think about. wouldn't it be great if they did a
cover of the ernie and bert song?!  oh, that would make my day...

sorry this was so long, y'all.

sleep!!!

shannon

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hey, y'all.....

i picked up my copy of the new cd after work tonight and i'm listening to it
as i type.  by design, i've avoided reading any of the other reviews and
comments until after i record my own first impressions....

the initial thing that struck me about cons is the way the harmony vocals
are placed *down* in the mix.  on most, if not all of the songs, the only
readily identifiable voice is that of the songwriter/vocalist.  in that
reference, it sounds more to these ears like an amy and emily album than an
indigo girls album.....

with that comment out of the way, i have to say that i really do like the
album.....sister is the song that makes me want to strap on my guitar and
jam.....i could get lost in that song.....it's my highest and most heartfelt
compliment......right, shel????

song by song analysis:

go........a powerhouse opening track.....a call to action......raise your
hands.....make a difference.....

soon be to nothing......a gorgeous emily ballad......wonderfully
produced.....timeless music.....

gone again......at first listening i hard a problem with garth hudon's
clunky lowery organ solo after hearing carol isaacs' accordian at spac, but
through headphones it sounds far less intrusive than through the stereo
speakers.....a great 'feel good' song.....

trouble........one of the least 'ig-like' songs on the cd.....it's apparent
that the events of last summer and fall had a profound effect on
emily.....this is definitely the product of a different mindset than 'it's
alright'........

sister.......(see paragraph above)  one of amy's most powerful vocal
performances.....i get goosebumps.....

peace tonight......the list controversy surrounding this one was impossible
to ignore.....i remembered being favorably impressed with the song at spac,
so the negative reaction caught me a bit by surprise.....i don't think i
would be inclined to purchase it as a single, but it works well between
sister and ozillene.....

ozillene......another 'feel good' song.....one with a serious message.....i
love the instrumentation, especially the percussion.....the background
vocals here and on several other tracks remind me of a 60's group called the
association.....

we are together......emily forges another new direction.....she seems
determined to broaden her musical horizons......very successfully, in this
opinion......the harmonies are gorgeous......

cold beer and remote control.......a touch of classic ig harmony gracing the
second verse is but one course in a sonic buffet surrounding an indictment
of american society......great guitar work.....emily rocks!!!

compromise........unrelenting in the same manner as the beatles' helter
skelter, which it somewhat resembles......aurally, this is definitely one of
the widest-ranging cds in my collection.....

andy........another beautiful emily ballad with gorgeous touches of slide
guitar and bouzouki amid the layered guitars....

faye tucker.......amy, front and center, with a powerful statement......i
loved the celtic section in a live setting, and the magic is re-created here
with natasha atlas' magnificent voice as a lead instrument......shivers and
goosebumps.......

hidden tracks:

sister (reprise)........magnificently understated at first......amy's guitar
and distant-sounding voice against the crashing of a thunderstorm building
to a coda that brings back memories of i am the walrus.....

philosophy of loss......a powerful ending statement, obviously fueled by the
same occurrences which spawned trouble.....emily is a courageous woman whom
i greatly admire in so many ways......

the verdict:

i love it from the first note 'til the last......the care evident in the
production is outstanding,  and the artistic growth represented here is
staggering......there may not be a ghost or mystery or a power of two here,
but it's a wonderful body of work of which all concerned can be justifiably
proud.....

thank you amy and emily, and all your supporting musicians for creating
another cd which i will cherish 'til my demise......

peace, love, and harmony.....
tim

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in a message dated 9/29/99 1:19:02 am eastern daylight time,
shannonmast@hotmail.com writes:

> ozilline: i just love this song. it got me right from the beginning (i love
>  listening to older people tell stories)

ditto here. i was hoping that maybe after the song ended we'd hear more of
the story... there needs to be a place... a website perhaps- everyone could
record these old stories told by our relatives- our own personal family
histories threaded together -the history of us?  just imagine a site with
audio tidbits like this... ok it's late and i'm sleepy and rambling, i just
think it would be neat. would love to hear more of the story. love the song.
mother vibes from it.

for me at least, this album has turned into an amy-love-fest. i'm usually an
emily person on record, a big amy fan live, but this time i gotta say the
ones i love the most are amy's. "sister"... man...

peace,
  rick
off to go fall asleep to the mummy in hopes that it will inspire  nice warm
fuzzy brendan fraser dreams <grin> 'night night...

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okay, i'm gonna show my age here a bit...

but i think what bothers me about peace tonight is that it reminds me of
engelbert humperdink (sp?) & tom jones!!!  my sister use to play them
endlessly when we were kids...and that's all i can think of when i hear the
beginning of that song.   argh!!!

peace and pride,
- jen mek

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the following is more or less what i posted to another mailing list i'm on
(merwolfpack, anyone?).  they're not all ig fans so it was kind of
generic, and i'm polishing it a bit for this.  ;)

"go" -- electric rocker in true amy style, political pep talk, mean guitar
riffs . . . one sustained electric guitar note and amy launches right
into the vocals.  (i just love that about her.)   a&e sound great when
they're harmonizing the bridge . . . but this song is so much better live.


"soon be to nothing" -- classic emily ballad with a dark twist.  i think
it's gorgeous.  i like how emily pulls some little tricks with the meter
(stress where you wouldn't expect it, or dragging out some syllables in a
different way).  it jars the flowing melody just enough to keep me on my
toes.


"gone again" -- i love this track!  is this really our amy?  wow.  this
song makes me want to get up and dance around my room like a complete
goofy idiot.  so i do.  i love the whistling at the end--it's *just*
barely not quite in tune, which just adds to the appeal for me.


"trouble" -- well, if amy could go folksy, emily can go more electric
rock.  amy's been rubbing off on her; this song is a lot less poetic and a
lot more cryptic.  in fact, lyrically it reminds me a little bit of
tori amos.  sounds to me like some of the rage against the machine
influence is showing.  you go, emily!  rock out . . . i love this song,
especially the following:
"one day the war will stop and we'll grow a peaceful crop
and a girl can get a wife and we can bring you back to life . . ."
boy, she's pulling no verbal punches this time around, is she?


"sister" -- oh my god.  amy at her dark, brooding best.  it's reminiscent
of "chickenman," and the destroyer of guitar strings totally sends shivers
down my spine . . . wow.  it's an amazing song, seriously.  like . . .
god.  wow.  haunting and slick and ominous and . . . rowr.  yes, i'm an
emily person, but oh my god.  the chorus gets me every time . . .


"peace tonight" -- this is a fun one.  i really think so.  i've liked it
ever since they started playing it on the radio a couple of weeks ago.
not the strongest track on the album, no, but i like it nonetheless.  it
puts me in a good mood, and it gets points just for that.  em's voice
sounds great here.  the lessons paid off big time.


"ozilline" -- another folksy amy song.  i love the imagery . . . i can't
think of anything coherent to say about it really, but the images stick in
my head.


"we are together" -- cute song.  i like the dog and rabbit imagery . . .


"cold beer and remote control" -- another emily track, and a contender for
her best on the album.  another one that could've been a downer, but
isn't.  sheryl crow does backup vocals on this one, and there are great
images like "a two-tired car sitting up on the blocks / and things i put
aside like that pile of rocks" all through it.  sort of an homage to the
american who fought capitalism and lost.  it reminds me a lot of "make it
easier," thematically.


"compromise" -- indigo girls go punk.  full-out hard core punk.  it's an
amy track, all right, but emily amazingly enough sounds right at home on
it.  (how does she do that?)


"andy" -- pretty, but not my favorite track.  i like it all right, i
guess.

"faye tucker" -- the first thing that came to mind for me about this song
was that the opening line ("on the night they killed faye tucker") sounds
a lot like "the night pat murphy died," particularly the great big sea
rendition.  reading the lyrics, it could be a real downer . . . but it
isn't.  natacha atlas is amazing!

i like the acoustic "sister" almost better than the "normal" rendition on
here, and "philosophy of loss?"  wow!  what a pretty little piece it is.

i'm sure i missed stuff, but i'm sleepy and off to bed . . . ;)

        battle on,
        shanie
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hey kind friends,

we actually got the cd a day early by calling every indie record store in san
francisco pleading for mercy and found a kind soul who relented. joy joy joy.

my eleven year old fellow ig loving sweetheart of a daughter and i *ran* hand
in hand down clement street, 9:00 at night, busy city sidewalk with me
huffing jokingly "hurry, amy's a waitin'!' "

after listening to the excellent 9:30 boot over and over again (thanks tara:)
i was at first pretty disapointed with this cd at first listen.

after my fifth all the way through playback, i feel better about it, but a
few songs still urk. ever loyal, (be gentle emily fans) i am *really really
really* trying to like we are together, but it keeps popping into my mind
that it sounds just like, well, elevator music or being stuck on hold on the
phone.

tracks that were love at first hear are sister, philosophy of life, andy and
go with sister and pol vying for top spot.i can't understand why why why
philosophy of life is a hidden track and we are together is, well, right out
there.

like many of you, i didn't like chickenman at first hear, but now sing my
heart out in the car chickenmancomeholdmyhand....so, maybe there is hope.
a.little.tiny.bit.

happy cons day to all and to all a good night,
katherine

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alright, my turn...

overall, i was suprised at how full the album sounds.  sots seems sparse in
comparison.  one at a time -

go - i loved this song from the very beginning, and it is a much better song
live than on record, but it's still a great way to open.  amy's screaming at the
end awesome... amplified 100 times when it's live though.

sbtn - this surprised me in that there was so much percussion and seemingly
random noises throughout, but i still think it's a great song.  i also wish you
could hear the acoustic guitars more, and more amy.  but the last harmony on the
word "when" is worth the price of admission.  does anyone else think it sounds
like a more confusing 'language or the kiss"?

gone again - i really like all the intro talking spread out through the album.
it makes it seem more live.  now, i am a huge jerry marotta fan, so i laughing
with joy when i heard his syncopated drumming style.  and then the mandolin and
banjo come in together, one in each ear, almost blinded me with happiness.

trouble - aka "it's alright ii"  but i like this song much better.  it doesn't
seem as forced as ia and the lyrics are incredible.  "there's more than one kind
of criminal white collar"

sister - anyone know what this song is about?

peace tonight - when i first heard this on launch.com, i thought, "what's going
on here?"  but the more i hear it, the more i can't stop singing it wherever i
go.  not a great example of what ig is capable of, but not bad either.

ozilline - i'm just a sucker for any song with a beat as driving as this one,
but could it be anymore depressing.  is amy talking about her grandma when she
says she had to put the dog down, or she actually talking about a dog?

we are together - i didn't like this when i first heard it, but now i like it
because of how emily sings the last "yeah"

cold beer - i think this is the most traditionally sounding ig tune on the
record.  you can actually hear the guitar, and it ends in an amazing "round"
type singing thing that they used to do all the time.  i notice that emily
actually says "yes" instead of "yeah" before the last chorus. speaking of yeah,
when a & e and sheryl crow all sing "yeah" together at the end, it made me so
happy that they exist as a band and we get to hear their music.

compromise - great song.  when amy says "i'm not asking for a comprimise" is she
saying it's either her way or no way, or is she saying it's ok, i'm flexible?

andy - excellent lyrics again.  i think emily was at a weak point during sots
and is coming back up to her usual high standards.

faye tucker - this song blows me away by the powerful lyrics.  i don't think
this song is overproduced, but it's much better live.

sister (reprise) - i got chills.

pol - definitely the best emily song on the record lyric wise.  it's totally
heartbreaking and poignant and brilliant.i love the melody too.  i don't think
it's too happy sounding at all.  if it sounded any sadder, there'd be a shortage
of ben and jerry's ice cream this next week.

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hey.  you. yes, you.  no, stop looking at the person on the computer next to
you in the lab.  you, i said.
you-of-the-masses-of-listserv-email.
whatcha doing tonight?
(school is no excuse.)

you oughta go to this show.
i mean really.
no, i'm not kidding.
i swear.
swear.
yeah.
rose-of-the-prosaic-gymnastics.
meg "stomps on little electric boxes" toohey.
i'm feeling faint.

i bring to you
from the cyber vaults of the mighty gabriel unger artiste management
a little nota.

----message from the man with the mission, mr. g d unger himself----

on weds (tonight) 9/29 at the iron horse in northampton ma at 7pm
singer/songwriter rose polenzani celebrates the release of her daemon
records cd (www.daemonrecords.com) anybody and her first headline show at
the horse. tickets are $8/$10  1-800-the-tick. boston rocker meghan toohey
opens.

you may have seen rose previously opening in the valley for jonatha brooke,
richard shindell, david wilcox, erica wheeler, shawn colvin, and with voices
on the verge.  i encourage you to see her now play a full set of her own.

rose is currently on a 5 week east coast tour promoting the record with her
own headline shows and opening slots with the indigo girls in nyc, phily,
and syracuse ny. in late fall she'll be doing more shows with the indigos
and the performance collaborative known as voices on the verge. stay posted.
http://www.rosepolenzani.com.

please come if you're in town and free. any help to fill the room and spread
the word would be appreciated by both myself and those folks at iron horse
music. i'll be there too.

for those not familiar with rose's music, here's a recent write up from the
music weekly in chicago:
chicago reader /  spot check   friday, sept 17, 1999
rose polenzani
when i got sweet-talked into helping judge a local lilith fair talent
search two years ago, polenzani was unanimously declared the champion:
accompanied only by her own guitar and a quiet banjoist, playing a
simple, elegant song, she stood out like venus de milo amid the
breast-beating, hair-ripping hordes. she got our attention the
old-fashioned way: she earned it. her latest release, anybody (on indigo
girl amy ray's daemon label), is a collection of demos and outtakes, with
harmony from the indigo girls on one track and fiddle by andrew bird on
another, but it stands as easily the best record of its type i've heard this
year: polenzani's erotic, discontented, pagan sound world is already almost
as well fleshed out as leonard cohen's.
- monica kendrick

thanks for reading,
gabriel unger
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to: the valley list
from: gabriel unger
hello,
so i'm going to bother this list with a little promotional message. please
bare with me.

the day before the lucinda williams show at the calvin theater. . .

on weds (tonight) 9/29 at the iron horse in northampton at 7pm
singer/songwriter rose polenzani celebrates the release of her daemon records
cd (www.daemonrecords.com) anybody and her first headline show at the horse
(you may know the door deal) tickets $8/$10  1-800-the-tick.
boston rocker meghan toohey opens.

you may have seen rose previously opening in the valley for jonatha brooke,
richard shindell, david wilcox, erica wheeler, shawn colvin, and with voices
on the verge.  i encourage you to see her now play a full set of her own.

rose is currently on a 5 week east coast tour promoting the record with her
own headline shows and opening slots with the indigo girls in nyc, phily, and
syracuse ny. in late fall she'll be doing more shows with the indigos and the
performance collaborative known as voices on the verge. stay posted.
www.rosepolenzani.com.

please come if you're in town and free. the first 4 people who email me by
noon on 9/29 can get on the guest list or feel free to use your own
connections. any help to fill the room and spread the word would be
appreciated by both myself and those folks at iron horse music. i'll be there
too.

for those not familiar with rose's music here some thoughts from someone you
may know and someone else.

charlie hunter says,  "she's a 24-year old cross between leonard cohen and
joan of arc, singing deeply romantic, angularly haunted, utterly thrilling
songs. if you don't get her the first time, listen again. she's the real
thing".

and a recent write up from the music weekly in chicago:
chicago reader /  spot check   friday, sept 17, 1999
rose polenzani
when i got sweet-talked into helping judge a local lilith fair talent
search two years ago, polenzani was unanimously declared the champion:
accompanied only by her own guitar and a quiet banjoist, playing a
simple, elegant song, she stood out like venus de milo amid the
breast-beating, hair-ripping hordes. she got our attention the
old-fashioned way: she earned it. her latest release, anybody (on indigo
girl amy ray's daemon label), is a collection of demos and outtakes,
with harmony from the indigo girls on one track and fiddle by andrew
bird on another, but it stands as easily the best record of its type
i've heard this year: polenzani's erotic, discontented, pagan sound
world is already almost as well fleshed out as leonard cohen's.
- monica kendrick

thanks for reading,
gabriel unger
management for rose polenzani
617-524-0094

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>grandma o.  "...he did, he observed saturday as the sabbath"
>
>amy: "what...what kind of faith does that make him?"

seventh day adventist.

yeah, so i subbed back again.
i wanted to see you all spaz over the album.

*j

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let me see here.  i got cons too and to be honest i don't like the new
cd very much. i thought sots was much stronger poetically, musically,
nothing can beat shame on you, shed your skin, don't give that girl a
gun, and hey kind friend.  i like most of their acoustic oriented songs,
so sots was kind
of stretching it for me .  but this one?  i may take awhile.

i heard the 1200 curfews version of go when amy was just beginnig
working on it,  the
words were different on te verses, and theywhole  thing flowed so much
better.
this one here is much more choppy.  when they do it  live it's
wonderful. but that's only for one time.  if it was truly a great
performance than it prabably will not be completely duplicated again.

you don't have a whole lot of control over a magic night..no matter how
you workat it.  those kinds of shows just seem to come without warnng..
besides what beats laughing
at cops especially those workng the borders, that's  why shame o you is
such a classi
the accoustic version espcially.

i know one song ,however, i feel is underrated,
and it's on swamp ophelia........fugitive.......nobody ever mentions
that one and it 's  soooooooo poetic, and sensual.  shed your skn is
too.      ttfn

peace

barb

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ms  hidalgo.....wpuld you please get your emails?  or someone who knows
her since she isn't getting this?  lol

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hey folks,

forwarded from the newsgroup...

-sherlyn

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>from: promogrrl@aol.com (promogrrl)
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>subject: indigo girls-band of the week+contest
>date: 29 sep 1999 04:47:59 gmt
>
>hello!
>
>i was happy to see indigo girls have made it to band of the week at ultimate
>band list(www.ubl.com) you can download their songs "peace tonight", "gone
>again", and "we are together" on real audio and enter to win a signed fender
>strat!
>http://ubl.com/fp.asp?layout=main_band_page
>
>also look out for a ticket giveaway at artistdirect for the indigo girls
>-coming soon
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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list but is more appropriate
for here instead...

-sherlyn

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subject: blair cunningham (ig's new drummer)

so people....

it's been bugging the bejesus out of me since i heard
the name of the new ig drummer, a certain blair
cunningham....cause i knew i'd heard/seen him
before...and being the investigative type, i did me a
little researching.

blair cunningham played drums for a scottish band
called big dish (who i very vaguely remember).

and

he played with the fantabulous
macca-wacky-thumbs-aloft (all those uk listers who
used to read smash hits may remember that one) paul
mccartney!!

a little random information for a tuesday afternoon.

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first and foremost, i want to express my love of the new cd.  yes, it turns
in different directions for the girls, but life has a tendency to move
people in different ways as time passes, and change is to be
expected.  imho, this change was welcomed with open arms.  i'll be a fan
until the day i am no longer able to listen (and then i'll just read the
liner notes :) ).

secondly, and this is a bit ot, so forgive me, but as a new subscriber to
this list, i am really impressed with the volume of mail y'all send
out.  it makes me happy to know that there are tons of people like me out
there, in love the amy and emily's music so much.  especially since it is
good food for my mailbox.

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i saw a request for this:

welcome to why the church has died
in the heart of the exile, in the kingdom of fate.
who owns the land and keeps the commands,
and marries itself to the state.

modern scribes write 'in jesus christ, everyone is free'.
and the doors open wide to all straight men and women,
but they are not open to me.

who is teaching kids to be soldiers?
to be marked by a plain white cross?
and we kill just a little to save a lot more,
the philosophy of loss.

and there are a few who would be true out of love,
and love is hard.
and don't think that our hands haven't shoveled the dirt,
of all their central american graveyards.

doctors and witch hunters stripped you bare,
left you nothing for your earthy sins.
yeah but who made this noise? just a bunch of boys.
and the one with the most toys wins.

and who is teaching kids to be gamblers?
life is a coin toss.
and of course, what you give up is what you gain.
the philosophy of loss.

whatever has happened to anyone else
could happen to you and to me.
the end of my youth was the possible truth
that it all happens randomly.

so who is teaching kids to be leaders?

and the way that it is is meant to be.
the philosophy of loss.

jude :)

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hi everybody:

i don't if this has been brought up before (i havn't had a chance to
read all my mail), but i'm almost positive there is a mistake in peace
tonight.

the last verse sounds to me like:

oh yes i have some money, just don't spend it
it's only when we want it then we plan it.

listen to it carefully and let me know what you think.

have a great cons/ig day.

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i went to the closest music store to my office on my lunch
break and bought the album.  one clerk working there didn't even
know that ig had a new album out; and when another clerk rang
up the purchase, he did a double take when he saw the new ig
album cover and overcharged me for another cd that was supposed
to be on sale!!!! ahhhhhh! i've vented, i feel better!!

so far, my favorite new song is "gone again," i like the bluegrass
feel of it.  i also like "go," "trouble," and "cold beer and remote
control." not my favorite ig album, but i respect the fact that
they are experimenting with their sound a bit.

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a. amyrayisindeedapunkrocker.
she and sheena.
b. everyone should go listen to come.  http://www.matador.recs.com and click

on 'come' under the list of bands.
yes indeedy.
c. i feel a definite folk-punk genre creation/revolution on the horizon.
okay, actually, i think i oughta lead it.  any disciples out there?
i am will be and always have been a disciple of folk-punk. there  are lots
of folk-punkies out there, by my definition: ani, bitch and animal, mz.
ray...i want to be folk-punk, but i think maybe i don't brood enough. i'll
practice.
happy listening
sarah

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just a passing thought on looking at the covergirl:
does one usually whittle green wood? i think there is meant to be some
significance to the fact that she has scraped back the outside of a  dead
twig to find it green inside. i think the twig is kind of like her: she has
a dead look in her eyes, but maybe there is still something green
underneath...she kind of reminds me of bone from "bastard out of carolina"
by dorothy allison.

later
sarah

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hey ya'll, i have this friend in ca, who is awesome by the way, and she has
made some really cool bumper stickers.  they're the little round oval kind,
like people have that have little initials for places they like to go and
such?  people around my neck of the woods have ones that say "obx" for outer
banks, and "hi" for hatteras island, and "mv" for martha's vineyard.  ya'll
know what i'm talking about, right?  anyways, my friend had these awesome
stickers made that say "ig" inside a little blue oval.  it's navy blue ink
on a white background.  cool for chasing indigo to all these shows.

she's selling them for $3 each or 2 for $5.  send cash, money orders or
checks to her at:

lynn dillard
po box 3913
redwood city, ca 94064

i promise she's trustworthy and all.  email *her* for details, not me,
thanks. (ledillard@yahoo.com)

-tara lane

ps - i've got like 23 bootleg packages left as of today - for those who are
wondering.  please be patient for your 9:30 and shades discs.  hope those
who've received them are enjoying them greatly.

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i know amy has a niece - i think she has another niece or nephew now - anyway, does anyone else think the covergirl favors her?  i think she does and that got me to thinking that it could be her niece.  does anyone else see the resemblance?  i could be way off.  but i feel pretty confident about my theory.

amanda

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i hate playing "reminds me of" cause there is a certain point where it
becomes back-handed...the suggestion of unoriginality. my songs have
reminded people of "the indigo girls meets the band", and sonia introduces
me to people with references to arlo guthrie and bob dylan, for both of
which i fervently hope she means lyrically or musically, not vocally...that
said, two more thoughts:
1) the little riff in we are together reminds me somehow of "physical" by
olivia newton-john
2) the horns and the general mood of peace tonight remind me of a song off
of 10000 maniacs "our time in eden" - i think it was "candy everybody
wants", but it was the one that started off with the jb horns.

sarah (post-happy, sleep-deprived)

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date:         wed, 29 sep 1999 08:26:56 +0000
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i am a happy camper with a 2nd row center ticket for the bridges concert. it's
good to know people. now if i can get rose to be the opener it will be the
perfect concert. happy happy joy joy. definitely worth getting up this early
(and skipping latin yet again). so, i won't inflict a total cons review on
everyone, but i had a couple thoughts. one, in go when amy sings go go go and
then the bass kicks in and then the drums it sounds like some other song to
me. does anyone know what i'm thinking of? can anyone actually name the song
and save my sanity? i also have to gush my love for the song ozilline. it's
got to be my favorite even with all those great rockers. the part about
putting the dog down is the story of my life when we had to put our dog
bradley to sleep. it was so hard. but i love the whole song not only because
of that part (dammit it makes me cry) but the music and the whole story and
amy's low voice and whatever else i'm forgetting. a word to the wise: the
tower records in west covina doesn't do midnight sales. avoid them. i didn't.
i suck.
-sam (hoping my ex-gf will have time during the glsen conference to get a
flying biscuit or 2 for me, i'm addicted)

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1 ticket for sale for monday october 4 at tower theater in
philly.  it's orchestra right center, row qq, seat 117.


2 tickets for sale for monday october 11 at beacon theater in nyc.
they're in orchestra, row w, seats 2 & 4.


1 ticket for sale for tuesday october 12 at beacon theater in nyc>
it's in orchestra, row w, seat 112.


just askin' for what i paid.

email me if interested.
jami
jamik@adelphia.net

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i was all excited to get cons and buzzed over to
wherehouse (while listening to a copy of cons, of
course) and wherehouse didn't have any!!!  they
weren't sold out, they just never got any.  that
seemed wierd.  i ended up at virgin (which is gigantic
and feels more like a warehouse than wherehouse...)
and found jewelcases and digipaks and tapes.

spreading my ig day (actually, that was all
yesterday...),
eve
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anyone going to the show tonight?  does anyone want to meet up before hand?

heather

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back again, with a more, well, studied review (which basically amounts to a
couple full listens, all the way through, plus the hour and a half i
listened to "sister" on single-song repeat between classes last night):

go--still kicks my patooties with combat boots.

soon to be nothing worked a lot better for me this morning than it did last
night.  i still wish the first round of "oohs" was a little more free--i'd
like them slower and more flowwy, but the rest of the song tastes good.

gone again--test #1 for good music--can i sing along with it walking to
work.  test #1 for great music--does it leave me no choice but to sing along
with it while walking to work?  goodness knows what the neigbors think; that
crazy girl in combat boots and a nice work dress with a guitar on her back
singing wildly down the alley; this is such a fun song.

trouble--test #2 for good and/or great music--do i find myself bouncing
uncontrollably along with it while waiting for the ever-tardy red line train
in the morning?  with guitar and backpack on back and rainblusterriness all
around.  i think this (or maybe andy) is the strongest emily song on the
album--upbeat without being trivial, political without being didactic (see
philosophy of loss)

sister--see hour and a half spent between classes last night.  this song
will make me bawl uncontrollably someday.

peace tonight--easily the weakest track on the album.  sure, there's some
nice sentiments...but the cheap rhymes!  ugh.
night...bright...collection...selection...day...play...and what the heck are
corner shoes?  and then they're outside dancing, but they're going to "tidy
up the room"; oh, emily...what happened to ghost, or history of us or love's
recovery...heck, i think "back together again" "eww--the lyrics" was written
better than this.

ozilline--is it just me, or does amy sing "the waxing and the raining"  in
the first verse?  a nice little narrative storytelly kind of song.

we are together--its a little better than peace tonight...sounds a lot like
a lot of other emily songs.

cold beer and remote control--fun.

comprimise--crunchy.

andy--is it just me, or does emily do mournful so much better than she does
happy?  one of my favorite tracks on the album.

faye tucker--still driving--i love the mix of the chanting, the celtic beat,
and the amy growlyness.  i find it interesting that there's a good minute or
minute and a half at the end that is largely percussion and chanting...no ig
vocals, guitars pushed out of the forefront.  the song becomes something
larger, something else than an "indigo girls" song.  wish the third "i
thought i heard the angel's bells" that amy sings live (the spinetingly high
one) had made it onto the album, but this is pretty darn spanking powerful.

sister reprise: try listening to it while staring out into a dark, cold
rainstorm.  after hearing the story about amy on her motorcycle in the rain,
it all makes sense...

philosophy of loss:  as much as i want to really like it, this song feels a
bit stiff and didactic.  like there's too much being said for the sake of
saying, instead of being shown through images (outside of the white crosses)
or conveyed through more subtle details.  and it does sound so much like
that carrie newcomer song.  still, its darn political, and spells out more
than enough of what i feel sometimes.  but if i had to choose between
political rant-against-social-ills songs that really move me, 9 out of 10
times, i think i'd choose "go".

enough of me,
onto you.
shel

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i know someone was asking about the dog & rabbit imagery in we are
together yesterday... here's my take on it.  at greyhound races, they
have something that goes around the track for the dogs to
chase...anymore it's a stuffed bone at a lot of places, but it used to
be almost exclusiely rabbits as far as i know... the idea is that it's
an entirely futile chase, as the rabbit goes faster than any of the dogs
ever can... this is echoed in the line "winded by the fruitless chase
until i saw you face to face"... so my thought is that the imagery is
about succeeding in an 'impossible' quest, or an 'impossible'
relationship...

i also wanted to agree with amanda... i was thinking that the girl on
the cover looked a lot like amy, too...

a detailed review is to come, but i hav to get to class right now...

shannon

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that loud girl wrote:

> ozilline--is it just me, or does amy sing "the waxing and the raining"  in
> the first verse?

waxing and waning.

trouble - you go girl.  this kicks hiney.  should have been the single -
"trouble" or "compromise".

good album - parts of which are great.  i have nothing to add that
hasn't been said already.

elaine

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hkf's,

was savannah flooded or something?  is there a setlist out there?  and how's
my brother doing on drums anyway? (i've taught him well ;)

anyway, birmingham!!!
i'll be in seat d-101. (13 rows back - far left amy-side)
i'll be in town around 6:30pm - so everyone clear out i-20!!!!!!  i'm
comin'!!!!  mike's call(s) of the day: "fugitive & wish you were here"

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sorry. your message could not be delivered to:

anna hidalgo (mailbox or conference is full.)
>>>>>>>

anna - you've missed a national holiday ("cons day"- 9/28/99) and you're
missing your daily supply of ig!!!!!!!!!  somebody please help her!!!!!!!

;)

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shel-
what's the story about "amy on her motorcycle in the rain" that you referred to
when describing the sister reprise?  please tell, please?
say hi to chicago for me.  my gf and i miss it a lot.
nancy

that loud girl wrote:

> back again, with a more, well, studied review (which basically amounts to a
> couple full listens, all the way through, plus the hour and a half i
> listened to "sister" on single-song repeat between classes last night):
>
> go--still kicks my patooties with combat boots.
>
> soon to be nothing worked a lot better for me this morning than it did last
> night.  i still wish the first round of "oohs" was a little more free--i'd
> like them slower and more flowwy, but the rest of the song tastes good.
>
> gone again--test #1 for good music--can i sing along with it walking to
> work.  test #1 for great music--does it leave me no choice but to sing along
> with it while walking to work?  goodness knows what the neigbors think; that
> crazy girl in combat boots and a nice work dress with a guitar on her back
> singing wildly down the alley; this is such a fun song.
>
> trouble--test #2 for good and/or great music--do i find myself bouncing
> uncontrollably along with it while waiting for the ever-tardy red line train
> in the morning?  with guitar and backpack on back and rainblusterriness all
> around.  i think this (or maybe andy) is the strongest emily song on the
> album--upbeat without being trivial, political without being didactic (see
> philosophy of loss)
>
> sister--see hour and a half spent between classes last night.  this song
> will make me bawl uncontrollably someday.
>
> peace tonight--easily the weakest track on the album.  sure, there's some
> nice sentiments...but the cheap rhymes!  ugh.
> night...bright...collection...selection...day...play...and what the heck are
> corner shoes?  and then they're outside dancing, but they're going to "tidy
> up the room"; oh, emily...what happened to ghost, or history of us or love's
> recovery...heck, i think "back together again" "eww--the lyrics" was written
> better than this.
>
> ozilline--is it just me, or does amy sing "the waxing and the raining"  in
> the first verse?  a nice little narrative storytelly kind of song.
>
> we are together--its a little better than peace tonight...sounds a lot like
> a lot of other emily songs.
>
> cold beer and remote control--fun.
>
> comprimise--crunchy.
>
> andy--is it just me, or does emily do mournful so much better than she does
> happy?  one of my favorite tracks on the album.
>
> faye tucker--still driving--i love the mix of the chanting, the celtic beat,
> and the amy growlyness.  i find it interesting that there's a good minute or
> minute and a half at the end that is largely percussion and chanting...no ig
> vocals, guitars pushed out of the forefront.  the song becomes something
> larger, something else than an "indigo girls" song.  wish the third "i
> thought i heard the angel's bells" that amy sings live (the spinetingly high
> one) had made it onto the album, but this is pretty darn spanking powerful.
>
> sister reprise: try listening to it while staring out into a dark, cold
> rainstorm.  after hearing the story about amy on her motorcycle in the rain,
> it all makes sense...
>
> philosophy of loss:  as much as i want to really like it, this song feels a
> bit stiff and didactic.  like there's too much being said for the sake of
> saying, instead of being shown through images (outside of the white crosses)
> or conveyed through more subtle details.  and it does sound so much like
> that carrie newcomer song.  still, its darn political, and spells out more
> than enough of what i feel sometimes.  but if i had to choose between
> political rant-against-social-ills songs that really move me, 9 out of 10
> times, i think i'd choose "go".
>
> enough of me,
> onto you.
> shel
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    let me just say that i thought i was a huge ig fan till i joined this
crazy email. bare with me (i'll try to make this short) and i promise this
will be interesting.

    i am sorry to say (and i hope that the ig girls could read this) that i
am disappointed in this cd and the last. the girls have changed. change could
be good and it can be bad. i blame the lilith tour and it influence for
making the girls interested in a more rock type new sound.

    it is not that the cd is bad, but this trying to experience a new sound
bit is not working. i can easily grab any of the old cd's and the music is so
powerful & emotional that you swear the speakers have hands that grabs you
and pulls you into their world.

    the girls have what i think the best harmony dual ever put together. amy
with her low raunchy voice, em with her soft touch. perfect!

    i feel that the lyrics & the music were put together in minutes with not
much thoughts into them. i could spend hours and days with the old lyrics
analyzing them, breaking them apart piece by piece. dam they were so deep
before!

    amy obviously, seems to be wanting to do a punk cd on her own. the girls
sound bored. sorry........it seems like they wrote some songs on their own
and got together and said "ok this is what i got, let's go to the studio.
what happened to the harmony?

    let's face it. the girls don't need to work very hard any more they can
still sell cd's because of the success of their older ones & fanatics like us
who would buy anything with the ig name.

    amy use to write deep dark love songs that just blow your mind & made
your hairs on your arm stand. you can tell that she has experienced pain with
love, her heart was broken many of times.

    i often said that the girl that broke amy's heart, probably has a razor
blade next to her wrist telling herself that she f*** up.

    i'm hoping to hear in the future to hear another amy blood and fire type
of song. maybe she needs her heart broken again or think about her past to
bring out those feelings once again. amy (in my opinion) is the only human
being that can sing and express what love is all about. no, bs "i would love
you forever & be there for you" type song.

    emily writes songs that make you think about life.......... and her
lyrics........... she is a goddess!  if it weren't for her talent she would
had made an excellent professor.

    so to wrap things up, in my opinion they have lost their edge. i know
that in this tour the songs will sound better once they put more heart into
it.

    so if the ig girls are reading this, place take a month off and head off
to a private house where it is just you two and friends. talk about life and
what they are going through i.e. problems (love, breakup, money, happiness,
etc.)  get back down to earth and pick up the acoustic guitars again and
bring me back the original ig.

    i don't mind a little rock in some of the songs but leave that for
melissa. she could never do galileo or power of two and make it sound like
you do. so why try to cross over? do what you do best!

    the political stuff is fine but what happened to love and peace? must you
remind us of all the problems that are out there? i listen to you guys to
learn and to escape.

    i guess i was expecting better.......because i think you guys are the
best. i know that all your cd's can't be a perfect 10. but dam! you guys are
so good and talented!
you guys rule!

    i close this with one of my favorite passages:
        i guess that's how you started
        like a pinprick to my heart
        but at this point you rush right through me
        and i start to drown
        and there is not enough room in this world for my pain
        signals cross and love gets lost and time passed makes
        it plain of all my demon spirits i need you the most
        i'm in love with your ghost.

thanks for you time,
marie

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hkfs,

  i have a story to tell about getting my copy of
cons:


  i went to target yesterday morning with my mom bc
she had to go there for something. well i figured,
might as well get my cons cd while i am here.  so i
went to go look for it...i got to the cd area, walked
right over to the new releases section, silly me
figured..."new releases it must be there" i was wrong.
so i looked on the bid display of the popular music.
wrong. so i was getting a little frantic, but then i
got excited and figured "they must have sold out". so
i started browsing through the country cds looking for
a gift for my mom and who should i come upon but the
frickin indigo girls!!!! and of course there were like
20 copies of cons. so i am pissed now. so i go over to
the new releases section and kindly clear a row-the
kind of row the goes vertical, straight down and i
proceed to fill it up with the indigo girls cds.  am i
evil or what? the ig bandit strikes again!!!!!!!!!! so
i go to the counter with my mom to pay for her crap
plus the cd and what does the checkout girl say but
"oh, indigo girls, there gay right?"  i freaked out
and went on a tyrade about why does it matter if they
are gay...would you comment on someones puff daddy cd
and say "oh hes black isnt he?"  i went off and my mom
(who isnt homophobic but still after 5 years of being
out has a rought time with me being gay) says to the
girl "now if you wouldn't mind putting this wonderful
work of music in the bag..my girlfriend and i can go
home and spend sometime together!!" i busted out
laughing so hard i thought i was going to throw up.
the girl looked disgusted but i was so proud of my
mom.  target will not see my presence for a long
time!!!!!

nikki


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on wed, 29 sep 1999, nancy golumbia wrote:

> shel-
> what's the story about "amy on her motorcycle in the rain" that you referred to
> when describing the sister reprise?  please tell, please?
> say hi to chicago for me.  my gf and i miss it a lot.
> nancy
>
> that loud girl wrote:
> >
> > sister reprise: try listening to it while staring out into a dark, cold
> > rainstorm.  after hearing the story about amy on her motorcycle in the rain,
> > it all makes sense...

amy told this story at nff in aug.  she prefaced the song about how she
was riding her motorcycle home in a storm in al, and to keep her mind
occupied, she started writing this song.  i can't remember any more than
that.

i bought the album last night, but still haven't given it the full
treatment yet so i'll hold back any comments if i feel i have anything to
add until i do. as if y'all care!

(except for this one;)

they opened either the nff show or the spac show this summer with trouble,
and i really think that this one should have been the single.  hands down.

kelly

how to tell if you're on one too many mailing lists:

while listening to cons on my discperson, i was finishing up the last of
my end of the summer cards for the darlist and making rose p. tapes for an
offer i made over there.  yikes!

%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%
%^  kelly fairbairn              %^
^%  ill dept.                    ^%
%^  sage troy campus library     %^
^%  fairbk@sage.edu              ^%
%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%^%

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10/31/99 san diego, ca   sdsu open air theater
on sale: 10/2 - 10:00am (619)220-8497 (local tm)

hkf's,

i have this info updated on my site:
http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/indigotour.html

and please let us know any more on sale info if you stumble upon it.
thanks!

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damnit!

i can't believe i am going to do this. i don't want
to get bombarded with hate mail but i would feel much
better if i just released.

sots-commercial album-- :(   boo

cons-much anticipated album- boo boo boo :(
  i cried listening to this cd, not because of
emotional outpour or relating to any of the songs, but
because of utter disappointment.  i like a few songs,
"go", "gone again" "peace tonight". but not enough. i
agree with the woman who said there didn't seem to be
much thought put into the writing of the songs. i am
so sad.

i love the girls and would buy anything they put out
but i am longing for their roots, indigo girls,
strange fire, nis....sigh....

i am listening to the album again to *try* to fall in
love with it.

nikki

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on wed, 29 sep 1999, marie demiguel wrote:

> the girls have changed.

   yep!

> change could be good and it can be bad. i blame the lilith tour and it
> influence for making the girls interested in a more rock type new sound.

   perhaps - but where did the heavy rock stuff come from?  there wasn't
much of it on the lilith tour, 'specially not the big stage.

>     it is not that the cd is bad, but this trying to experience a new sound
> bit is not working. i can easily grab any of the old cd's and the music is so
> powerful & emotional that you swear the speakers have hands that grabs you
> and pulls you into their world.

   and "go" isn't emotional?

>     amy obviously, seems to be wanting to do a punk cd on her own. the girls
> sound bored.

   i can't speculate on what the girls were feeling - but maybe, just
maybe, they did get bored.  after all, after so many albums, they're bound
to be playing in the same grooves - coming up with songs and realizing
that chord progression is the same (emily admitted that with get out the
map, but fortunately it was on a banjo).  maybe this is a way of breaking
that up a bit.

> sorry........it seems like they wrote some songs on their own and got
> together and said "ok this is what i got, let's go to the studio.

   that's what they've always done, no?

> what happened to the harmony?

   it's there - it's just more subtle, especially with the hard hitting
instruments.

>     let's face it. the girls don't need to work very hard any more they can
> still sell cd's because of the success of their older ones & fanatics like us
> who would buy anything with the ig name.

   yep.  they could also just sit and write sweet little love ditties with
their acoustic guitars too, and us fanatics would eat it up even more.
it's to their credit that they are willing to risk controversy among their
core audience by experimenting a bit.
   they've never been a group that would appeal to purists.  well, i could
listen to some early recordings and maybe believe that - but so, 1200c,
sots, and cons - they're all so layered and multifaceted.

>     amy use to write deep dark love songs that just blow your mind & made
> your hairs on your arm stand. you can tell that she has experienced pain with
> love, her heart was broken many of times.

   ...and what if she's not now?  it's her honesty that made her real to
us - and if she wasn't feeling pain like that and kept writing those
songs, maybe we'd be scratching our heads a bit.  she's now into politics,
so she's writing anthems.  if anthemic music ain't your cup of tea, you
don't have to listen, but i for one am impressed as heck.  she's
definitely done her homework.

> maybe she needs her heart broken again or think about her past to
> bring out those feelings once again.

   that is not a nice thing to say.

> amy (in my opinion) is the only human being that can sing and express
> what love is all about. no, bs "i would love you forever & be there for
> you" type song.

   and that doesn't have a place either?  what about the people who would
love somebody forever and be there for them?  i guess happiness isn't as
sexy as angst - and i love my angsty music just as much as anybody, but i
wouldn't wish that sort of experience on anybody.

>     so to wrap things up, in my opinion they have lost their edge. i know
> that in this tour the songs will sound better once they put more heart into
> it.

   why must heart and electric guitars be mutually exclusive?

>     i don't mind a little rock in some of the songs but leave that for
> melissa. she could never do galileo or power of two and make it sound like
> you do. so why try to cross over? do what you do best!

   in other words, "don't change - it makes me uncomfortable because i
don't really like rock?"

>     the political stuff is fine but what happened to love and peace? must you
> remind us of all the problems that are out there?

   somebody's gotta do it...besides, everybody's singing songs about lost
love - it's the biggest theme ever.  neat to see them diversifying.

   darius

"he's a charming man, as well as a holy man.  i told him he was also a
great showman, whereupon he took my 'fly' shades and put them on - the
first funky pontiff!"
   - bono

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date:         wed, 29 sep 1999 13:01:42 -0500
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i love this cd and i beg to differ with some who say it is hastily thrown
together, a departure, not emotional, etc. of course it's all a manner of
opinion but...i find proof all in one song..."sister"

this is such an emotional song.  i get chills just listening to it.   there
is harmony and even counter melody.  it's musically very complex.  and
lyrically too.  my gf and i are still trying to figure out what "studying
the distance between the blanket and the gun  means.  is it just a comment
on mortality or is amy contemplating suicide or does it mean something else
completely?  i know she's been working on this song for a few months at
least because i have boots from december where she plays it.  and i have on
tape a soundcheck from april 1998 in which amy does a bit of compromise.

anyway, just my two cents.
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date:         wed, 29 sep 1999 14:13:23 -0400
reply-to:     havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
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subject:      re: i hope i don't piss off any ig fans......but this is what i
              really feel.

time passes......things change.....people change.....

the girls are now women in their mid-30's with with a lot more life
experience behind them.  most of this cd was conceived a year ago amid the
turmoil of the high school cancelations and all the negative and sensational
mainstream media attention, plus the aftermath of the matt shepherd tragedy
and the despicable actions of fred phelps & company.....i wonder how many of
us could withstand the intrusion into our private lives without being
affected by it.....

if emily is more overtly political in her writing, it's because that's what
she feels.....she owes us nothing.....we are the ones owing the debt of
gratitude for all the positive energy she has shared with us for so many
years.....

i still love the cd.....

tim

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>    i am sorry to say (and i hope that the ig girls could read this) that i
>am disappointed in this cd and the last. the girls have changed. change
could
>be good and it can be bad. i blame the lilith tour and it influence for
>making the girls interested in a more rock type new sound.
>
>    it is not that the cd is bad, but this trying to experience a new sound
>bit is not working. i can easily grab any of the old cd's and the music is
so
>powerful & emotional that you swear the speakers have hands that grabs you
>and pulls you into their world.
>

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date:         wed, 29 sep 1999 11:09:32 -0700
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yipee!  they're coming to my school!!!!

this is going to be so cool. the acoustics are so good that you can
hear the music just fine outside the gates :)  you can even see
people on the stage ok from the highest up seats.

big tip, bring something to sit on if you're up high, cuz i think
most, if not all, of the seats are just concrete.
~renee

at 1:57 pm -0400 9/29/99, michael cunningham wrote:
>10/31/99 san diego, ca   sdsu open air theater
>on sale: 10/2 - 10:00am (619)220-8497 (local tm)
>
>hkf's,
>
>i have this info updated on my site:
>http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/indigotour.html
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date:         wed, 29 sep 1999 14:08:37 -0400
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so i saw sheryl's post about the blanket and the gun and i thought i would
post the lyrics that i had from michael "god of the tour page" cunningham.
i don't have my cons disc with me, so these are ones pre-release.  there
might be differences.

ok, so i said i wouldn't post until i give it the full-treatment, but i
just can't help myself.  for me, this is the one song that didn't lose
something in translation from the stage to the studio.  i still got
chills, whereas with "go", i wasn't as inspired as i am with the live
version.  anyway, this section of the peanut gallery will shut up now.

back to work...

kelly

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sister  (as played at the roxy in atlanta on 8/5)
sister i'm heading out of alabama
so you'd better think fast
the wind's gonna pick me up now
and the rain won't stop

i'm heading down to georgia
so don't lose track
of where you been and where you going now
and who you've seen and what they lack
and why you come undone
every time you go there
and how you come undone

i know your heart's in danger
and so is your life
you'd better learn to trust a stranger
and stop & rest for a night

see a sign up in the headlights
and a moon up above won't be enough
light the embers of another
and the night won't seem so rough
sister....

there was a bloody beast of burden
on a dark texas road
and a woman in a family way
and a car that lost control
i'm studying the distance
>from the blanket to the gun
it's ten hours to natchez
and another ten home

i know your heart's in danger
and so is your life
you'd better learn to trust a stranger
and stop & camp for the night

see a sign up in the headlights
and a moon up above
light the embers of another
and the night won't seem so rough
sister
go ahead
come on now

it was trust that brought me here
and trust will bring me home

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date:         wed, 29 sep 1999 14:30:47 -0400
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hkf's,

quick question as i listen to go.  when the line says "you're too old to
care, too young to count" - i'm wondering what count means.  does it mean
they are too young to count simply 'numbers' (just referring to their youth)
or too young to count as in 'to matter' - like to be able to make a
difference, vote, etc... (referring to the hs kids not being able to make a
difference)

thanks!
a+e=ig

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at one of the shows this summer, she introduced sister by saying that the
song came out of an experience she had riding on her motorcycle in a bad
rainstorm, and being very, very scared.


>from: linda <akpups@alaska.net>
>to: that loud girl <strange_fire66@hotmail.com>
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>date: wed, 29 sep 1999 07:42:58 +0000
>
>shel,
>what story about amy on her motorcycle?
>linda

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horrified to say <gasp> i do not remember the setlist.  however, do know
that it did not differ vastly (if at all) from the others i have seen thus
far.  i know that of the older material only ghost, shame on you , you and
me and the 10000 wars, power of two, galileo, closer to fine, chickenman,
and get out the map were included.  much of the new cd.  the girls were in
good form........saying they were glad we got back from our "evacuation"
okay.   we sang...........lots, with the emily inquiring "you guys want to
sing this verse?" referring to the last of ctf.  they did sing midnight
train with stereo popsicle (who i was fortunate enough to catch  a tour
shirt their lead singer tossed into the crowd to those exhibiting extreme
want of one (dont ask..i'll do anything for clothing) whose lead guitarist
is about to go on the road with tlc.  he playfully began the song "scrubs"
which emily acted like she was going to sing.  it got a big laugh from all!
imagine.

songs from new lp , imho, are all great.  gone again will surely become a
indigo-standard "sing along someday".  it's just so catchy.  they played
around two hours i'd guesstimate.

on a down side, only about half of the tickets were sold and before the
crowd got up and dancing, we looked pretty pathetic.  we rallied though and
i think suprised them at our degree of amplitude.  we can be loud here in
savannah..with the 2nd largest st. patrick's day in the country and all that
midnight in the garden of good and evil, we can be a pretty bawdy bunch when
need be.  and the stupid marquee for the civic center was empty (not showing
them as the act appearing last night).  i was very embarrassed for them
(a&e).  same thing happened with that last time but i called ( as i was a
record store manager and had social station and a voice in the entire
promotion of it all when last they came)and had them put it up there.  so if
you read this emily or amy puhleez don't  hold this against us , your
loving, devoted and loyal fans here in savannah and the surrounding area and
be too long away from our fair city!  i really think all of this that
occurred was due to lack of proper promotion.  never heard or saw much pr
for this whole thing and what i did encounter was only in the last week.
maybe sony should get intouch with those specifically responsible for their
shortcomings to work it out better next time.

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>     i'm hoping to hear in the future to hear another
> amy blood and fire type
> of song.

i remember reading an interview several years ago
wherein amy said something to the effect that this
song was about an addictive, unhealthy relationship
and that she did not want to revisit that time or
those feelings (something like that).  i assume that's
why she doesn't sing that particular song anymore.

amy (in my
> opinion) is the only human
> being that can sing and express what love is all
> about. no, bs "i would love
> you forever & be there for you" type song.

love isn't just about pain and heartache folks!  an "i
would love you forever" song is great if it is
heartfelt and not too sappy. <g>  dgtgag has strains
of that sentiment, as does r&j (though she didn't
write it).  it's painful material, but still about
true (if not unrequited) love.

this album is different, sure, but i love most of the
songs (all of the amy songs, which isn't always the
case).  the only song which doesn't sound remotely
"indigo-y" to me by any measure is peace tonight (i
don't care for the motown production at all).  we are
together and a couple of other of the other emily
songs will have to grow on me, but everything else i
really like.  but then, i listened to hard rock
throughout high school. :o)   it is different, but if
this is what the girls are feeling musically right
now, we have to accept that.  except for a few of the
songs, the album does stray from their acoustic roots.
but then, amy has punky, hard rock roots too.

did this discussion come about on the list when rop or
so was released, since they were so much more produced
than the earlier albums?  just curious - i didn't join
until late '95.

anyhoo, i really like this cd.  it is not what i am
really used to from ig, but from a strictly musical
standpoint, ignoring the fact that it is ig, i feel
most of the songs are very strong.  i will just have
to get used to a little different sound and musical
direction from them.   some songs, like soon be to
nothing, actually remind me of power of two, and
really aren't a departure.  trouble kind of has a
kristen hall/caramia mood to it.  but, so many people
dislike caramia (which i love, btw:) that i can
understand why some people don't like trouble.

this wasn't intended to be a review, so i'll end
here...

peace!

joan :-d

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"you're too old to care, too young to count" - i took the last part to
mean like "too young to matter" cause you can't do certiain things until
you are certain ages....

--audra


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ok y'all, i have to vent.  but first let me say that i do like the new album.  really, i do, and i think it'll grow on me the more i listen to it, but right now, i'm horribly conflicted!
all day at work yesterday i was reading posts about the new album, and i had it in my hands and could check out the pictures (nice "wading in the river" shot), but i couldn't listen until 10pm yesterday, so here's my delayed response:
the first time i listened, it totally freaked me out.  it doesn't sound like the girls at all.  i mean, compare it to their earlier stuff, and it's hard to believe it's the same artists.  but change is good.  i'm all for change, artistic growth, evolution.  but i'm going back and forth between thinking that this album is much more sophisticated, utilizing a lot more musical 'tools' and the creativity of a lot of different people, and thinking that it's a bunch of manufactured cheese that they would never be able to play live.  and then when i think that thought, i think of one of the post-sots interview tapes where the interviewer says "would it be possible to make an album that could never be performed live?", and emily says "oh yeah, that'd be easy.  anybody can do that."  yes, i know they've been playing these songs live, but i'm very interested to see how they sound.  i know they'll sound different, but i fear that some of those songs *depend* on the production.  i guess i'll find out when they come to sf in november. :)  but then some of the songs sound great live, but totally funky the way they produced them.  gone again is a glaring example of that.  in my opinion, they butchered that song.  a nice twangy, folky song like that doesn't need that dominant back beat.  there's something terribly wrong, in my opinion, when you have to strain to hear the guitar because the drums are so blaring.  and i agree with shannon--that synthesized whistle has got to go.  so that brings me to major gripe #1: the drums.  not only are they way too dominant in songs where they don't seem to belong, but they are incredibly monotonous, and they sound the same in all the songs.  no wonder winthrop got tossed--john couldn't give it a back beat.  and while i'm at it, major gripe #2:  why oh why, would they completely disregard the harmonies, one of their best assets???  that album could still have the same rockin' sound, but be a zillion times better if they did some of their awesome indigo 'voice weaving'.  that makes me sad a(granted, irrationally so) that the girls we love are gone (like i said, i'm venting--i'm sure i'll get over it).
so now that i've let off some steam about the things i don't like about cons, let me say that some of the stuff on here is incredible!  if anyone says the girls don't rock, just give them cons.  i was just recently having a conversation with my mother about this.  she said "i'm not really a folk, fan, and the indigo girls just don't rock enough for me", and i said "well that's what people who are unfamiliar with their music say, but they actually have quite a few rockin' songs, and they absolutely rock live."  but this conversation was before cons came out.  when i was saying the girls can rock, i had no idea it could be to the extent that it is on cons.  and not only do they rock on cons, but they rock well.  i'm sorry, but sots is a little too noisy for me (with the exception of the first 4 songs, scooter boys, and eiiot), but cons is something i can proudly use as an example for non-ig fans to display the girls' rocking ability. and actually, i'm happy that this album seems to have more mainstream appeal.  i don't think that's "selling out" at all.  i think it's about time the girls were recognized more in the mainstream, because i'm sick of people not knowing who they are, or having a completely wrong conception of what their music is.  not that cons will give them that recognition, but it's a good start.  i feel like playing that cd for some of my ig-hating friends and saying "see what they can do?  how can you like so and so, and not like this?"
i love go, trouble (wow, emily), and cold beer and remote control (part 2 of make it easier?), ozillene, and faye tucker.  that list will undoubtedly grow the more i listen.  there's no songs i skip (yet), so that's a good sign.  i'm probably contradicting myself a little in this post, but that's what this album is doing to me.  i know all those things that annoy me about cons will either grow on me, or i'll learn to ignore them, because this album has a lot of potential to be up there on my list of favorites.  i just have to deal with the changes and embrace it. :)  if you read this far, thank you for letting me spout.  i needed it!
leslie

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like "too young to matter" cause you can't do
> certiain things until
> you are certain ages....

...like vote.  therefore, those voices "don't count"
but, those small voices grow up to be big voices one day...

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somebody wrote:

"i'm hoping to hear in the future to hear another amy blood and fire type
of song. maybe she needs her heart broken again or think about her past to
bring out those feelings once again. amy (in my opinion) is the only human
being that can sing and express what love is all about. no, bs "i would love
you forever & be there for you" type song."

everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but here's a little reality for
you. you aint ever gonna hear another blood and fire. you might hear a cut it
out or a give that girl a gun, tho. they are the more mature version of blood
and fire.

people change, their muses change, they go off on tangents, they expand, they
stretch.

and if they dont they are not genuine.

amy ray is a 35 year old woman now, not the 20-something-year-old who wrote
blood and fire.

i'm sure she honestly felt that then....that's why the song is so good. if a
35-year-old woman wrote blood and fire, it'd be a lie, unless she's immature
or nuts.

you are not as angsty at 35 as you are at 25, when a breakup  can seem like
the end of the world.

the girls have grown up. get over it and and be glad they are still letting
us come along for the ride.

i think the new cd rocks. it aint strange fire, but if i want to hear strange
fire, i'.ll pop that in the player. just because something isnt the same
doesnt mean it's bad.

i gotta say all the kavetching ive read here and on the newsgroup about
boohoo they aint two gals with the guitars singing what i relate to is
beginning to get annoying as hell.

thank god the indigo girls keep evolving...and the one constant about their
work remains their honesty.

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on wed, 29 sep 1999, joan morrison wrote:

> ...like vote.  therefore, those voices "don't count"
> but, those small voices grow up to be big voices one day...

   but by then, you don't care.  who said the songwriting wasn't good on
this album?  ;)

   darius

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for us humans, change is the only constant.  can we allow those we admire to
be human?
lynn

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on wed, 29 sep 1999 lisalisaa@aol.com wrote:

> somebody wrote:
>
> "i'm hoping to hear in the future to hear another amy blood and fire type
> of song. maybe she needs her heart broken again
ddoes anyone else find this pathetic she needs her heart broken again?
thats kinda cruel dont you think

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http://www.indigogirlsdirect.com/
i noticed this web site listed with their home page on the liner
notes and just checked it out.
has anyone else gone there?  it looks like it's going to be a store
for ig stuff. i hope so :)
~renee

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chance0631@aol.com wrote:
>
> for us humans, change is the only constant.  can we allow those we admire to
> be human?

absolutely no indigo girl content here, but this statement just made me
think of sinead's album (what is her last name????), "universal
mother".  it has a song on it with the line "are we not human?"  maybe
that's the name of the song too - i forget.

forgetful elaine

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i read it as the latter; or to count, as in an opinion poll.

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from: michael cunningham <mcunningham@pbp1.com>

>hkf's,
>
>quick question as i listen to go.  when the line says "you're too old to
>care, too young to count" - i'm wondering what count means.  does it mean
>they are too young to count simply 'numbers' (just referring to their
youth)
>or too young to count as in 'to matter' - like to be able to make a
>difference, vote, etc... (referring to the hs kids not being able to make a
>difference)

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hey all,

i know that this will sound like your grandpa who "walked barefoot to
school in the snow, up hill--both ways."  but, i walked a mile, up hill
in the pouring rain to buy my cd at midnight!  it's a dman good thing they
had it, let me tell you!

also, speaking of typos in the insert, i think on compromise, she isn't
saying "you find your worth in words that wind," but actually "words that
wend."  it would make more sense and also rhyme with "comprehend."

g.

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i, personally, don't even want my worst enemy to go through that kind of
hurt ... ever.

> on wed, 29 sep 1999 lisalisaa@aol.com wrote:
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> > somebody wrote:
> >
> > "i'm hoping to hear in the future to hear another amy blood and fire
> type
> > of song. maybe she needs her heart broken again
> ddoes anyone else find this pathetic she needs her heart broken again?
> thats kinda cruel dont you think
>

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okay, so i don't want to come off as a third grade teacher or anything...but
people, some of us are acting really silly. i happen to like the new album,
but even if i didn't, so what? i read people saying things like "i'm going
to go listen to this over and over to try to *force* myself to like it," and
i'm thinking, what?!

i hope i never feel like i have to force myself to enjoy something simply
for the "right" to say that i'm an ig fan--that seems pretty senseless to
me. hell, i'm still getting used to chickenman (and god knows if i'll ever
find the good in airplane), i've never disguised the fact that i prefer more
folky stuff to edgy stuff, but i also would never begrudge the girls from
expanding their musical horizons and experimenting with other sounds just
because *i* don't happen to particularly like it. who says i *have* to,
anyway??

as for the origin of this new punky flavor, amy has said ever since she
first started that she loves bands like husker du and rage against the
machine--is it so unusual that that kind of influence is coming out in her
own writing? sure, em has always listed her favorites as joni mitchell and
the like, but why can't her tastes have changed a bit?  for god's sake, 8
years ago, all i listened to was new kids on the f****** block! ;) (how many
of you sympathize? c'mon, raise your hands, you know you're out there!)

and why or how anyone could wish a personal tragedy on either one of them
(or anyone, for that matter) for the sake of a more gut-wrenching song is
completely beyond me. at that point, a & e simply become song-writing
machines who are just churning out carbon copies of their past songs for
someone other than themselves.

so this album doesn't necessarily have the thought-provoking lyrics or the
make-your-mouth-salivate harmonies. maybe they are bored--or maybe they're
just trying something new and having a good time being easygoing. granted,
after 2 years, us hard-core igians were expecting a
blow-the-soles-of-your-feet-off album, but maybe we're doing too much
comparing with past favorites and not enough just trying to appreciate this
album for what it is.

off the ivory-box...end of lecture...tip jar is on your left...

shannon

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me? they make my computer shut down. this is a bad thing. thanks.
-laura

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i have to agree with whoever said that pol sounds a lot like "i don't
wanna live on the moon" (the bert and ernie song). . . .at first, i was
kind of surprised when i heard the intro to this song, especially after
having read the lyrics. i think i was expecting it to be more. . .i
don't know. . .not sad, exactly, but something that matches the
powerfullness of the lyrics. i was listening to it with my friend
meredith yesterday, and her first reaction was, "it sounds so. .
.major." and then we figured out that it sounds like the sesame street
song (and it wasn't at all influenced by what neil said, either -
meredith's not on the list). . . .but do you think maybe emily did that
on purpose? not necessarily making it sesame street-ish, but really
innocent-sounding. . . .almost like she doesn't really know what she's
singing about. . . .but she does. . . .you know? kind of ironically
feigning innocence. meredith and i contemplated this for a while. . .we
think maybe emily intended it to be a satire. and i keep thinking about
that little conversation on shades of indigo, where she, amy, and shawn
are talking about the difference between irony/satire and
cynicism/bitterness. . .and i remember emily saying something about how
other artists are so good at incorporating irony into their songs, and
how she's tried to and can't, but wishes she could. . .maybe this is the

first song she's written w/irony that she feels satisfied enough with to

actually put on a cd? i don't know. . . .these are just some of my
thoughts on the song. . .what do y'all think? i'd be really interested
to hear. . .

love and music,
kristina :-)

p.s. it's raining *really* hard here right now. . .and let me just say
that sister is ten times more effective and haunting when you hear it
with the sound of rain pounding against your window, and the howl of the

wind outside. . .

* * * * *
"the music whispers you in urgency -
        hold fast to that languageless connection." - emily saliers

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> > >. . .  maybe she needs her heart broken again

ouch.  ouch.  ouch.  so, an artist displays heightened creativity and
produces his/her best work when he/she is heartsick and depressed, or
<fill in any type of illness, mental or otherwise, you want>, or somehow
dysfuntional?  an absurd statement, for sure - and you probably didn't
mean for your statement to be interpreted as such, but it sounds
terribly insensitive.

elaine

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hkf's,

according to the daemon site, three finger cowboy is set to open the show.
therefore, we have figured out a time for a mini-listmeet before the show.

it will be at 7:30 pm in front of the will-call window.  i called and
checked the will-call window is right outside of the entrance to the concert
hall so it's there!  i'll be there in my green cargo shorts and my light
green t-shirt.  cya there!

and i assume i will see amanda, lisa, heather, and other kind folks there as
well, right!

later,
mike

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okay okay.  some people like it, some love it, some hate it, some are
disappointed, but please, oh please, can we allow people to have their
opinions?  honestly, it's like some think that they are the self-appointed
defenders of amy and emily. when people love it, i don't email the list
saying, i can't believe you like this cd, so why is everyone coming down on
people who don't like it?  it's natural that some of us don't like it.  jack
nicholson's won more oscars than anyone, obviously he's well liked, but i
can't stand him.  it's natural that those of us who were originally
attracted to 2 girls aggressively beating the hell out of acoustic guitars
(a la early amy), and deep, profound, metaphor-ridden lyrics (a la emily)
and interweaving harmonies, are hearing this and aren't that thrilled.
doesn't mean we won't eventually like it, or that we can't appreciate its
artistic value.  just means we miss not having more of the type of stuff
that attracted us in the first place.  and that's okay.  it doesn't mean
we're disloyal, or close-minded, or any of those bad things.  it just means
we miss the old stuff.  no big deal.  we have a right to miss the old stuff
- it's what made us listen to begin with, after all.

-tara

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i am interested in knowing if anyone else avoided boots because they wanted
to hear the new album without the concert tapes ringing in their ears. all
of these songs were new to me (with the exception of go because i bought
the kosovo benefit cd). see, last time around i completely spoiled myself
on the boots offered here. when i first hear sots i was bitterly
disappointed over the way dgtgag lacked the emotional punch i had heard and
seen live, etc. now here i am listening to cons and thinking "this is
absolutely brilliant."

there are a couple songs i don't care much for but i really adore most of
them and i am very happy i avoided boots because i think i'd be having a
negative reaction if i have a preconceived notion of how the songs "should
sound."

i think the vocals are a bit overshadowed in some places -- i want to turn
the volume up on just the vocals. other than that, i love this cd. :)

i am a bit confused over why they went with peace tonight as the first
single. that is one of the weakest songs imo, i'd have voted for trouble or
go or compromise (ok, i like the rockin' songs the best). i'm a bit
disappointed that pt is the song we'll most likely see them perform on all
their tv appearances. oh well.

maybe it's just me (and this isn't a criticism) but soon be to nothing
sounds kristen hall-ish. :)

k.

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(hey georgians-- my new women's studies prof is so incredible.  brilliant.
she's straight outta grad school.  right out of emory. you're cranking out
some mighty, mad people.)

sonia tetlow, she of the sonia tetlow band, hopes 'all is well and
autumnal,' and wants the atlantans to get out for some
fresh air.  new music.  fresh music, new air.
cooper's playing-- you know sheryl jones is gonna be there. ;)

that rhymed.
boy-howdy,
jill

>sonia tetlow info line - http://bigsun.wbs.net/homepages/s/o/n/soniatetlow/

>sat, oct 9 at the earl in east atlanta
>it's one of the queerstock shows that doria roberts does a great job
>of organizing every year. the line up this night is awesome:
>cooper seay
>sonia tetlow band
>45 mercy
>doria roberts
>the show starts at 10, we go on at 11.
>
>wed, oct 20 at the red lion in augusta, ga., 10pm
>boy-howdy, it's our first time playing in this neck of the woods, so
>if you have any friends who live around here, please call and tell 'em
>about the show.
>
>sat., oct 23 at the gay and lesbian fest in kirkwood (atlanta
>neighborhood) i'm not sure about the time yet, but this is just so you
>can mark on your calendars another fun fest to attend.

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i wish i could be there!  but i'm 800 miles to the northwest.  oh well.
----------------------------------------------------------
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date:         wed, 29 sep 1999 14:08:01 -0700
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hey is there anyone that lives in milwaukee wisconsin
or the surronding wisconsin area?  i am bored tonight
and would love to get together for coffee? beer?

nikki

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bean@neu.edu writes:
> > >. . .  maybe she needs her heart broken again
ouch.  ouch.  ouch.  so, an artist displays heightened creativity and
produces his/her best work when he/she is heartsick and depressed, or
<fill in any type of illness, mental or otherwise, you want>, or somehow
dysfuntional?  an absurd statement >>

---hmm... im not saying that anyone is in need of a heart breaking or needs
to go thru tragedy, but i think there are an exceptional number of cases in
which some of the most amazing pieces, both artistic and musically, come from
quote, "tortured" artists.  not in the sense of physical torture, but we've
certainly seen beautiful things from people with difficult lives...to be
general, van gough... maybe, just maybe, there is a link?

ok, i wasnt going to post about cons, b/c we've seen just about every
opinion, but i do want to add that although it's totally okay for artists to
record/write/produce the style they want to, i will say i still prefer emily
and amy's older styles.  just an opinion, which we've seen lots of great ones
these past two days... philosophy of loss is my fav. emily tune, b/c of both
the powerful lyrics and the older, acoustic style.  (anyone think that might
be vonda on piano?.. not that it couldnt be emily :) :)  as for amy, what a
beautiful subject to write and sing about, her beloved grandmother,
ozillene... love the sound, the earthy, narritive lyrics, and especially the
harmonic ending.. "ozillene, she won't let you cry.. what a blessed sky..."
sounds like a peaceful grandmother huh!  :)
-so im not a punk-rocker eh?  i miss jerry marotta!
a' revoir-
trooper
p.s.  how about that laugh of amy's in the middle of faye tucker?  devilish!
beginning to love that song too!

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any news on a listmeet for the show?  i am going and i am so psyched!  i
haven't ever been to an ig show except for breifly seeing them at city stages
in birmingham in 1995?.

heather

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it's so good to be reading everyone's reviews.  i thought i was the only
one feeling this "bad" about the album.  whoever said this said it best,
i liked the old acoustic indigo girls.  this stuff is so studio-ed up.
i know when i see them live again, i'll love them again, but, this is
almost unbearable.

"i stayed up to buy the album at midnight, and all i got was this lousy
cd".  well, ok, it's not that bad, but, ug.  bless them for trying.  i
just think it's too much.  what ever happen to "winthrop", ya know?

anyways, if ya'll want a great new album, buy the new michelle malone
cd, homegrown (http://www.michellemalone.com/).  it's sooo wonderful!
talk about growing up!  the indigo girls grow up and put out stuff that
is further and further from how we remember them, but, michelle malone
grows up and puts out more refined music like the stuff we like!

so, go out and get it!  it's worthwhile!  through sept., all cd's only
$12.99!  :)

renee

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okay...<twitch, twitch> i don't think i can wait for cd-now!!!  i think i'm
going to have to make a quick trip to a record store in between work and
play rehearsal, and just give my cd-now copy to bethany or something...
augh!  all of your reviews are making me so jealous!! ;)

shannon
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hey...

>blair cunningham played drums for a scottish band
>called big dish (who i very vaguely remember).
>
>and
>
>he played with the fantabulous
>macca-wacky-thumbs-aloft (all those uk listers who
>used to read smash hits may remember that one) paul
>mccartney!!

told ya so :o)

before paul mccartney he also played with the pretenders, alison moyet and,
indeed haircut 100.

blair's cool...

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    hi, yes i am the one with the brutal email. first of all i want to clear
the air. i do not wish or want amy's heart to be broken. (please believe me.)
i just feel that she hasn't written a good love song in a while. she sings
romeo & juliet so passionate that it makes you think she actually wrote the
song!

    i hate to say this but i have received over 50 emails from other fans
that have agreed with me (the ig have lost their edge) . and only 2 that
disagreed. a lot of people don't post their true opinion.

    yes, i need to be more open minded to change. different strokes for
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different folks. i have been a fan since the beginning. so maybe the younger
crowd can dig the new direction more.

    if you read my email again you will see that i didn't say it was a bad
cd. it just in my opinion not their best work.

    solution: i think we should send them a muse.

    so someone please contact ms. stone that we have a case for her.

    actually now that i think about it, if i had sharon as a muse come to my
rescue i will definitely be inspired in all fields :).

    so guys, i hope i am not letting you down. i am a true fan. and just to
prove it i am driving 14 hours to see their show at athens, then back down to
orlando.

    forever indigo!
    marie

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i haven't been on the list for awhile, and haven't had a new  boot since jan of last year, so nearly all of the songs are pretty new to me.  the only track i was remotely familiar with was go, back when it was the quiet "i am a problem child" version.  when i first heard a sample of the harder edge version, i thought, my god, why destroy the simple power of the song by all this noise?  but, now listening to it in its entirety, i think it's awesome!  it rocks both ways!

that's what i've always loved about ig... how their songs, particularly amy's, are always evolving.  i loved having heard shed your skin on cd first, in all its produced glory, then having ig perform it live with just the two guitars!  conversely, while fugitive, tho great in its early incarnations, is so powerful on the cd version.  it's a true testament to amy and emily's musicianship.... how they can take a song and totally reinvent it.  the only complaint i have is that i wish all of these versions were available on cd!

about the new album, it's different, but i'm absolutely in love with it.  i love the variety that's on here... at one point, you have an alternative rock thing going, then you have some country in there, then some bosa nova, then some bluegrass, then there's just plain ol' rock 'n roll with beatlesque touches thrown in, and even some massive attack trip-hop influences in that hidden track!  it's amazing!  i listened to it with a big smile on my face, because the entire album came as nice surprise.

and, before i sign off, i just want to say that i can't get gone again out of my head..  from amy's laidback vocal to the nice rhythm of the lyrics... just makes me want to take a hay ride!

on wednesday, september 29, 1999, kristina <andrade@az.com> wrote:
>i am interested in knowing if anyone else avoided boots because they wanted
>to hear the new album without the concert tapes ringing in their ears. all
>of these songs were new to me (with the exception of go because i bought
>the kosovo benefit cd). see, last time around i completely spoiled myself
>on the boots offered here. when i first hear sots i was bitterly
>disappointed over the way dgtgag lacked the emotional punch i had heard and
>seen live, etc. now here i am listening to cons and thinking "this is
>absolutely brilliant."
>
>there are a couple songs i don't care much for but i really adore most of
>them and i am very happy i avoided boots because i think i'd be having a
>negative reaction if i have a preconceived notion of how the songs "should
>sound."
>
>i think the vocals are a bit overshadowed in some places -- i want to turn
>the volume up on just the vocals. other than that, i love this
>cd. :)
>
>i am a bit confused over why they went with peace tonight as the first
>single. that is one of the weakest songs imo, i'd have voted for trouble or
>go or compromise (ok, i like the rockin' songs the best). i'm a bit
>disappointed that pt is the song we'll most likely see them perform on all
>their tv appearances. oh well.
>
>maybe it's just me (and this isn't a criticism) but soon be to nothing
>sounds kristen hall-ish. :)
>
>k.
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gee, marie, i don't know whether to slap ya on the back and ask you out for
a beer, or shoot you strange cocked-eyebrow glances across the room.

>am disappointed in this cd. the girls have changed.
okay, so right here, we're at the bar. what'll you have?
i agree. this album.  hmm.

>i blame the lilith tour and it influence for
>making the girls interested in a more rock type new sound.
but now, chica, i'm lookin at you like you're from mars.  or at least
swarthmore.  you sound so conspiracy theory!  'i blame those evil, conniving
lilith girls and their wily ways for the demise, the depravity, the fall
into moral disintegration and musical decline that a+e=ig now stands for.'
(beat your chests, women of troy!)
but come on now cranky. they were broaching that 'rock type sound' before
lilith wrapped her poison digits around them.

ya think
maybe
perhaps
call me crazy but i'd guess
that amy's always had this zip o' the wild child in her
and has been subduing it in favor of that 'harmony' that you so covet.
maybe now she's sensing this, and would like to explore that interest.
this is what them industry types refer to as 'creative differences.'

>feel that the lyrics & the music were put together in minutes with not
>much thoughts into them.
it's often very frustrating to write songs.  sometimes what you labor over,
set aside and ignore, come back to later, rework, change the bridge,
whatever-- sometimes all that work still yields what some might call "not
deep."  surface value is no indicator of time spent.

>dam they were so deep before!
(i'm getting postmodern here, but what's "deep" anyways?)

>amy obviously, seems to be wanting to do a punk cd on her own.
(thank god. i hope she collaborates with thalia on something.)

>the girls sound bored.
again with the gin and tonics.  bartender, gimme some peanuts.
indeed i agree.  yawn.

>seems like they wrote some songs on their own
>and got together and said "ok let's go to the studio.
refill, please.
yep.

you're right, they *don't* need to work at garnering any more fans.
(i'm sure the sheer revenue generated by the masses of us loons on here is
enough to support both amy and emily, plus the entire extended ray and
saliers families, for several generations.)
capitalist consumerism is scary!
but think of the integrity here.
do you honestly believe they're decidedly slacking off creatively because
they figure, "hell, we'll get paid whether we write an opus or put dr. seuss
to music-- let's screw them damn fans!"
--i mean, who knows *what* they'd do,
now that the wicked wild ladies of lilith
have stolen their souls--
but i doubt it.

yes, there used to be deep dark fiery passion out of amy.
that was when she was young.  mom-age folks out there, are you as insanely
floridly passionate now as you were then?  criminy, i'm only 22, and i must
concede that my emotions have, erm, leveled off a bit in just the past few
years. (anyone who first saw me when i joined this list can agree.  just
adorable, wasn't i? ;))

>amy (in my opinion) is the only human
>being that can sing and express what love is all about.
now i'm wildly arching an eyebrow at you.
lovey, there is so much music out there.  go.  delve.
amy ray is fine and good.  indeed, she's very, very good.
but she is not the be-all and end-all of cassanovas.  or music.
i swear.
if you're looking for someone to put your life to words,
i'd venture that nobody can better express
what love is all about for you
than you can.
i'd bet you're the mack mommy.  ya think?  self-affirmation is key.

penultimate word:
if it seems that they're not discussing their personal heartbreaks and glee
and whatnot, maybe it's because they're so very much a part of the public
realm now.  hence the more public subject matter.

or maybe they feel that, say, third world exploitation by military forces is
just a teeeensy bit more important than, oh, a break-up.

>so why try to cross over? do what you do best!
so, marie, sitting here at the bar with you's been fun.
i'd like to encourage you to always be fluid, always changing, always trying
new things, always questioning your constructs.
"do what you do best" is, oftentimes, better for those around you
than it is for you yourself.
others want you to stay same old, same old
because it's easy, safe, and comfy for *them.*
sweets, seek yourself at all costs.  screw those outside voices.

amy and emily, you do likewise.

jill


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before i ever heard this song, when i heard about the
arabic singer doing the vocal magic, i thought it sounded
like eddy vedder's duet with nusrat fateh ali khan (god
rest his huge soul and voice) even though i can't
remember the name of the song. it was from "dead man
walking". having heard faye tucker, i just can't shake
it.

what a ferocious song. amy ray gives the devil his due.
the evil of murder, the evil towards victims and the evil
of the state in seeking retribution in kind.

kc

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talking up free speech on
                 the road

                 (cnn) -- spitfire is a free-speech
                 forum that tours college campuses in the
                 united states, its stated intention being
                 to educate, enlighten and entertain while
                 instigating action. the organization is to
                 initiate a major tour this fall.

                 following its success at the summer's
                 woodstock '99, the outfit is to begin a
                 20-city journey at the university of
                 northern iowa on october 16.

                 perry farrell (jane's addiction), mickey hart (the
grateful dead), zack
                 de la rocha (rage against the machine), chris novoselic
(nirvana),
                 jello biafra (the dead kennedys), chuck d (public
enemy, ice cube), art
                 alexakis (everclear) and amy ray (indigo girls, dwight
yoakam) are
                 among those set to talk on such subjects as racism,
politics, censorship, the
                 environment and human rights.

                 other scheduled dates are at the university of iowa
(october 17);
                 southwest missouri state in springfield(october 19);
university of texas,
                 dallas(october 21); and the university of arkansas in
fayetteville
                 (october 22). further appearances are to be announced
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<erin tripp> wrote:
>  but i think there are an exceptional number of cases in
> which some of the most amazing pieces, both artistic and musically, come from
> quote, "tortured" artists.  not in the sense of physical torture, but we've
> certainly seen beautiful things from people with difficult lives...to be
> general, van gough... maybe, just maybe, there is a link?
> yes, it is true that a lot of artists are or were tortured and troubled
and/or mentally ill or heartbroken or severely depressed . . .  -
and studies have been done which examine the mental state of the artist
and his creativity level blah blah blah - i have no idea what the
outcome of the studies are but i can think of many artists who don't, to
my knowledge, fall into the tortured category.  so i would guess that
one needn't be mentally ill to be a productive and wonderful artist of
any kind.  it's sounds like it's a gross generalization to say that all
artists must be somehow tortured to be creatively inspired.

elaine

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too young to matter

mc> quick question as i listen to go.  when the line says "you're too old to
  > care, too young to count" - i'm wondering what count means.  does it
mean

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this whole thing reminds me of that little scene in
watershed where they are talking about making a risky
album and emily says "well, it's not as risky as if we'd
made a jazz album" and then amy kind of smirks and says
"or punk"... and somebody offscreen says "rap?" and amy
says "just two white girls doin' rap"

so here's the punk album.
can't wait til grand master em and dr. ray crank out the
next one.

(:::snerk:::)
kc

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hi all!

i'm not subbed to the main list so if you want to me to see
a response, be sure to cc me.

i got a tiny bit more.  here it is...


ozilline: he did.  he observed, uh, saturday as the sabbath.

amy: what, what kind of faith does that make him?

o: he didn't have one.

a: oh, ok.

o: he didn't believe in any one thing.  he would go out on
the street and all the kids would play the, with a drum-
like thing.  some sort of instrument.  yeah.  and um, momma
played the organ.

a: oh, cool.

o: yeah.  they had a little portable(?) organ.  she played
that and, um, got a real big kick out of it.  but then
after the... (really start losing it here. could be "police
had been called" or "place had been filled" or "place had
been sold") ...he simply went out and went down the street
to sell his... (speech is pretty well drowned out by this
point)

still stacking,
dianne

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i just saw a commercial for cons on lifetime!!  a full commercial, only for
ig!!  you can order it by phone. i've never seen that before.  new
marketing strategy for amy and emily?

peace and pride,
- jen mek

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actually, this is a thought that came to me this past sunday while i was
watching the girls do midnight train to georgia with stereo popsicle.  i want to
see/hear amy sing a verse!  she didn't look *that* uncomfortable with the song
style as the liner notes on 1200 curfews makes it sound.

anyway, as for all of this debate over cons, it sounds a lot like what happened
after sots.  i wasn't around the list for any of the other releases, but
methinks this happens every time they release something new.

i like cons, don't love it (yet?) 'cause i've only been able to hear it through
about three times.  ozilline is my amy song pick and trouble is my emily song
pick.  and that's all i have to say about the whole thing.  no one but myself
cares if i like any of it or not, so why should i get all worked up about it?

anna

p.s. where can i find stereo popsicle on the web?  and does any one know who the
opener is for the fairfax show?

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hey folks,

i've got general admission seats coming for austin, both
nights, and i'm very excited to be coming down, but i'm
looking for a good reserved seat if there are any out
there. i know this will require devine intervention, but
if anybody ends up with a spare chair for either or both
nights, i'd be a lot of fun to sit next to. i promise.

i'm also going to catch the show in dallas. coming down
from colorado springs, so this is a mongo roadtrip for
me. looking forward to it very much.

thanks for any leads,
kristen (kc)

>i am a happy camper with a 2nd row center ticket for the bridges
concert. it's
>good to know people. now if i can get rose to be the opener it will
be the
>perfect concert. happy happy joy joy. definitely worth getting up
this early
>(and skipping latin yet again). so, i won't inflict a total cons
review on
>everyone, but i had a couple thoughts. one, in go when amy sings
go go go and
>then the bass kicks in and then the drums it sounds like some other
song to
>me. does anyone know what i'm thinking of? can anyone actually name
the song
>and save my sanity? i also have to gush my love for the song ozilline.
it's
>got to be my favorite even with all those great rockers. the part
about
>putting the dog down is the story of my life when we had to put our
dog
>bradley to sleep. it was so hard. but i love the whole song not only
because
>of that part (dammit it makes me cry) but the music and the whole
story and
>amy's low voice and whatever else i'm forgetting. a word to the wise:
the
>tower records in west covina doesn't do midnight sales. avoid them.
i didn't.
>i suck.
>-sam (hoping my ex-gf will have time during the glsen conference
to get a
>flying biscuit or 2 for me, i'm addicted)
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if you feel at all like taking a short break from
listening to all this new ig music :-) :-) :-), check
out lisa alice.  yes, friend of friend of friend and
all that.  but she's good!  and, like all smartypants,
a huge ig fan.  she's playing this week in sf.

http://members.xoom.com/lisaalice

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overall impression:  amy's writing is becoming more fractured and eclectic,
and i don't like any of the emily songs here as well as those on sots --
but them, i thought sots was her best work by far.  this is likely to fall
somewhere in the middle of my ig album rankings (rop, 1200 curfews, n*i*s,
so, sots, ig, sf).  i think it's interesting that amy wants to do a more
rocking solo album, since they said a while ago that emily wanted to rock
on this one, but amy was writing more acoustic stuff.  heck, i still
remember when when they were both saying this album was going to be more
acoustic.  so it's just kind of weird to imagine that emily is holding her
back from what she wants to do.  <shrug>

a brief set of initial impressions, song by song:

go
excellent... i especially love the drumming, and emily's backing vocals add
an element that was missing in the early live versions.

soon be to nothing
the fact that the title is nonsensical will always keep it from being a
fave, but it's a pleasant, if unexciting, sing-songy track, and amy's
vocals are beautiful.  harsh transition from "go," though... i would've
swapped this with "trouble."

gone again
i've loved this song from the first day i heard it, but garth hudson's
keyboards nearly kill it for me.  the mandolin and banjo save it, but just
barely.

trouble
terrific song, probably would've been the single except for the gay
themes.  destined to be a favorite emily song.  amy's mandolin is a
highlight again.

sister
gorgeous, as haunting as any song amy's ever written.  the banjo is
brilliant, it's an incredibly original use of that instrument in what is
basically a rock ballad.

peace tonight
hate the horns, indifferent to the rest.  bouncy enough to be a single, but
i think"trouble" or "cold beer" would've been better choices.

ozilline
everything amy's 9:30 club teaser promised, love it.  you go grandma walker!

we are together
as others have said, nothing special here.

cold beer and remote control
wait!  another emily song? no fair. :-)  but it's the best emily track on
the album, deserves to be the 2nd single.

compromise
rocks like 1-2-3 and tmf, but much better than either of those.

andy
lovely, but doesn't hold my interest, it'll be a skip-er.

faye tucker
this one caught me off-guard... i hadn't like the loud, raucous versions
i'd heard live, but i'm a big fan of this studio version.  love the celtic
arrangement (reminds me a bit of my favorite o'connor song, "stretched on
your grave"), and atlas is great, though i agree that the outro could have
been shortened a bit.

philosophy of loss
nice, but neily ruined it for me, i can only hear "but i don't want to live
on the moon..." :-)

final thought: epic is phenomenally stupid to put the entire album online
in wav format, i hope it doesn't hurt sales.

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i bought the cd "reluctantly we" used, and i just don't like it. i'll give
it to anyone who wants it- just send me a sase to cover the postage. i
bought it on recommendation of some list people, so i figure there's gotta
be more out there that might want it.

to make it fair for digest people-- i'll give it to whomever tells me the
best joke.

thanks,
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>
> sister reprise: try listening to it while staring out into a dark, cold
> rainstorm.  after hearing the story about amy on her motorcycle in the rain,
> it all makes sense...
>
what story?  do tell... someone!

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i've been playing cons on my computer at work all day. with the exception of
sister, which is absolutly my favorite on this cd, i prefer the more
rock/punk songs: compromise, go, trouble, since all the emily slow songs
makes me long for those beautiful ig harmonies. but their rock songs really
rocks! i would have never thought that i'll be head-banging to a ig cd!!

dotty

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pfffft.  not fair.  it's killing me reading all y'allz
long reviews about cons.  my copy should arrive friday
via cdnow (stupid people wouldn't let me upgrade to
express, something bout location), but i didn't want
to wait that long.  and since y'all are making me feel
kind of guilty for ordering through cdnow, i thought
i'd walk to the nearest indie record store while the
laundry was in the dryer.  actually, i didn't really
expect to find it there, i'd been there before and
they had absolutely *no* ig stuff.  same story
yesterday afternoon.  not even a divider card that
says "indigo girls."  so i cross the street to tower
(yeah, that's gotta be good for business), and check
out their nice big new releases display.  they've got
the new paula cole one, so i know it's this week's,
but no sight of our cute little girl.  so i go down
the aisle, and by now i'm thinking i might just listen
to it on the listening station.  get to the ig
section, no cons.  not on the listening tower, not on
the shelf.  (btw, there was this guy leafing through
the ig stuff and he picked up 4.5 or swampy--i don't
know which, their color patterns are similar.  i felt
so proud.)  now i'm starting to panic.  tower, big
national chain that it is, that seemed to like the
indigo girls, they've gotta have the new one right?
so i hunt out some dude who works at the store (not
easy, they just look like bored customers).  our
conversation went like this:
me: excuse me, do you work here?
him: (not looking up) yeah.
me: do you have *all* your new releases out yet?
him: (not looking up) there.
me: (well, i checked that already) do you have the new
indigo girls one?
him: (not looking up) no.
sorry
ah, nothing like good friendly helpful service to make
you feel at home in a big national chain record store.

i thought about walking to borders, but it was almost
time for the laundry to come out of the dryer, plus it
was kinda hot and after that long a walk i'd probably
scare all the customers away from borders.  so i must
be satisfied with singing to myself and hoping usps
hurries.  but i still can't believe tower wouldn't
have it.

ok, you may now return to listening to your copy of
cons.

the only person in the us who can't listen to cons,
lori ann


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can i just say i love this song.   i love the whole album, but damn!, this
song just grabs my heart and doesn't let go.  my grandma died in may, so
this song just comes at the perfect time.  it seems to describe mema in all
her greatness.  and my grandfather was a preacher man with lots of musical
kids (luckily, the musicality of the family has stayed with us), so i can
just imagine mema telling us kids a story about pepa in his preaching days.
i'm just jealous that amy thought of recording her grandma.  how i wish i
would have done that now . . . she's lucky to still have her to listen to.
southern grandmas have to be the best :)

what a blessed sky . . .

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i cant stop listening to this cd.

i think this is amy's best songwriting since the first epic album -- i mean
taken as the entire body on this album.

ozilline is just an amazing tune, and the fact that it's about her
grandmother just makes it better.

gone again is also a great tune.

and i must say that listening over and over to those two songs leaves me
befuddled as to why people feel like they've totally abandoned their roots?
(i will concede that peace tonight is a bit much. tho i like it and think it
would totally excellent minus the horns at the beginning. who ever said that
those horns harken back to englebert humperdink and tom jones: funniest thing
i read all week. and on the money. i'm showing my age too (36))

ozilline and gone again, as well as soon to be nothing, philosophy of loss,
cold beer and remote control, andy, all have echoes of the old ig.

i think this is my fav cd since rites of passage.

one more thing: i do believe everyone has a right to an opinion etc etc...all
i'm saying is judge the music on its merits...not on what it isnt or not on
what they used to be and not because it's not blood and fire.

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hi everyone

guess what? aussies - take note. cons has reached australia! i had it on
good authority from impact records in canberra (they're importers) that it
wasn't coming until oct 11 but my sister's friend found it in impact
yesterday. their initial reaction is quite positive. they're only 17 and
have grown up with a&e really. my sister said, 'oooh...go...it's very
loud...if it wasn't for amy's voice, you wouldn't know it as the ig but i
think i really liked it." she only heard about four songs and so far thinks
the difference to older stuff is good-ish. of course, one quick listen of
four songs doesn't count for much but it's a start.

gotta go get it...

helen

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>from 2 minutes 22 seconds into the song to the end....holycow. i can't stop
rewinding it.  i wish the whole song was like that. woooooooow...amy ray.

peace,
amy

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<< amy ray (indigo girls, dwight
yoakam) are among those set to talk on such subjects as racism, >>

hmmm...have i missed some part of amy's musical past???  :o)

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in a message dated 99-09-29 20:06:15 edt, you write:

<< final thought: epic is phenomenally stupid to put the entire album online
in wav format, i hope it doesn't hurt sales.
  >>
actually it is pretty smart. people who download stuff to listen to while
working on their computers at the office, will then go out buy the cd if they
like it.

most people dont have the equipment yet to burn their own cds, so they will
still buy their own version of what they like so they can listen to it in
their cars, and other places away from the computer...

give the wavs away for free is a great way to hook the casual listener and
the curious. plus big fans can email a great song to their non-fan friends
and say hey, listen to this...go out and buy it.

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hi everyone

just copied the wall of sound review. it's ok. they rated it as 66. the guy
who wrote it is a fan as he's been to more than 10 shows so he's worth
listening to. he just wasn't taken with it. hope he listens to it more and
it grows on him.

helen


over the course of 10 years and seven albums, the indigo girls (amy ray and
emily saliers) have released some of the finest folk rock of the decade.
but it hasn't been a consistent pattern - their self-titled epic debut,
indigo girls, still stands as one of their greatest achievements, while
rites of passage and swamp ophelia, released in the middle of their career,
contain some of their best songs. but those are preceded and followed by
lesser records.

the duo's latest, come on now social, alas, falls into the latter category.
there are some bona fide winners amidst the disc's 12 tracks (14 counting
two hidden tracks at the end), but more that are notable only in their
plainness. almost any fan of the girls will tell you that the group's
defining moments have always been on stage. i won't dispute that, having
seen them more than 10 times myself. but what's especially disappointing at
this point in their esteemed career is that ray and saliers have not grown
more as songwriters. instead they've taken baby steps ahead, and just as
many tumbles backward.

ray's desire to rock has never been as apparent as on the album-opening
"go," which features joan osborne on backing vocals, and ranks as one of
the duo's best electrified songs ? ever. equally successful is the
appalachian-style "gone again," which evokes smiles and images of a dance
hall band, playing a song for themselves in between its sets at a saturday
night social.

working in a collaborative style, the songs of come on now social were
written over the course of sessions with producer-drummer john reynolds and
his band ghostland, which backed up sinead o'connor on tour in 1997 and
1998. other than that and high-powered guests  - throaty joan osborne
backing the group on four tracks, while sheryl crow sits in on two -
there's nothing particularly remarkable about any of social's songs, which
are still evenly split between those written by saliers and ray.

some touch heartstrings while others, like "faye tucker," scream to be
heard. the latter is in honor of karla faye tucker, the first woman
executed by the state of texas since the civil war. two quiet, acoustic
songs are hidden after "faye tucker," the last official song on the cd.

because this album was written, recorded, and released by the indigo girls,
there's no dearth of talent and style. unfortunately, more than a decade
into their career, there's also no reason to call this one of their finest
albums. it just doesn't come close.

- andrew strickman

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yes it is "are we not human" and it is sung by sinead o'conners son,maybe
written. at least she gives him credit for the song in the notes.

we all change. every person we meet, every experience changes us, moves us
slightly into a new direction.  i agree this cons is very different in some
ways, similar in others. amy has always bin more of the growling rebel type
and i think it is wonderful that she getts to express that so...
clearly...basely.. i am not sure of the words.  i only know there are many
time when we (you i me them) wish we could express ourselves so genuenly, so
truely. to be fully amy (or sara or anyone)is what it is all about and if we
do not fully explore the rooms which are what we are as people; if we are
not brave enough to do this, we can never be fully who we are.


the spelling chanllanged,
sara the sunflower
>
>chance0631@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > for us humans, change is the only constant.  can we allow those we
>admire to
> > be human?
>
>absolutely no indigo girl content here, but this statement just made me
>think of sinead's album (what is her last name????), "universal
>mother".  it has a song on it with the line "are we not human?"  maybe
>that's the name of the song too - i forget.
>
>forgetful elaine
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hey y'all...

i am still  waiting for cons from amazon.com but i am pumped about other things.

today my mom e-mailed me and decided that for graduation, i could go to australia for winter break!  so, when are the indigo girls planning on touring australia???!??!?!?!?!

also, can any of you aussies e-mail me???  i would like suggestions of where to go, what to do, etc.  maybe i can even meet some of you...

:-) karen


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well o.k. now  -- that's just what i need.
someone else feels the same way i do about this
cd - elated.  karen, i understand your elation! (remember, i'm the one who got
lost in the commons while listening to this cd)-i totally agree and i praise you
for being one of the
first ig lovers to be completely positive about it.

karen, i tell you, if i could i'd fly down to dc right now and dance on your
table with you.  i think this is a fantastic cd.  there is not one song i don't
love, not one.  i am so disappointed with everyone else's reviews, i want to
cry.  why can't you all be supportive that the girls want to do something
different?  why?

i love the variety of music, the horns, the drums,  the energy, everything.  i
am just as
high as you are, karen- i love it, i love it, i love it!  i havn't been able to
sleep
either (i've been taking sleeping aids since i won that contest).

i am so excited by and impressed with this cd.  congratulations amy and emily,
this is definately a winner!

please try to be a little more positive -- we've been waiting so long for this.

peace & happiness
cathy

p.s:  karen, doesn't is suck when you live with people who don't share your
taste
         in music?

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alright, alright.
i've been lurking around here long enough, and, quite frankly, i can no
longer hold back.
i 've read so many opinions on cons (mostly negative) that my head is about
to explode (and i hate to clean up messes).
everyone is entitled to their feelings, including me, i suppose.
i will spare you all the play by play by just simply saying, "i love it, love
it, love it."  'nuff said.
i've heard the crying, "it doesn't sound like the old stuff."
that makes little difference to me.
it's still good stuff.
i like the old and the new.
by the way, i also find great similarity between pol and ernie's song.
anybody else besides me think the last part of faye tucker sounds like
riverdance?
i can just imagine amy and emily with "feet of flames":)
hmm.....

~amy s.

"ladies and gentlemen, elvis has left the building"

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hey y'all--
2 things:
1) new album..."sister," *drool drool*
2) can someone please help me out with ticket info for san francisco
   (nov 8), portland (nov. 10?), and eugene (nov. 14?)?  dates
   they go on sale, where, etc.

can you please mail me privately?  thanks so much in advance :)
--kelly

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it seems like there's a show in berkeley on 11/6. i found it from
tickets.com and calling berkeley bass (510) 762-2277.  tickets
goes on sale 10/3 at 10am.
cheers,
meiwei

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subject:      hear philosophy of loss with i don't want to live on the moon!!!!
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yes folks, i have way too much time on my hands this evening...

you may have read how i think philosophy of loss sounds like i don't =
want to live on the moon, and seen some folks agree...

if you go to my indigo girls pages:
http://www.netreach.net/~andineil/igs/igsmain.htm
and follow the link to oddities and soundalikes,
you can hear just how similar these are (just as long as you have real =
audio...)

one more soundalike being worked on right now, and may be up by the time =
you find the page!

cheer my dears

neil
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abi's page!!! http://www.netreach.net/~andineil/abi/abi.html
this week, neil 'as been mostly been listening to:
isaac hayes "greatest hit singles"; indigo girls "come on now social"; =
elvis "suspicious minds".
song o' the week "the late great johnny ace" - paul simon

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in a message dated 9/29/99 4:16:59 pm eastern daylight time,
shannonmast@hotmail.com writes:

> for god's sake, 8
>  years ago, all i listened to was new kids on the f****** block! ;) (how
many
>  of you sympathize? c'mon, raise your hands, you know you're out there!)

um. guilty.


and bought their greatest hits collection 2 months ago.


...along with the new jordan & joey albums.


*huge red-faced blush*

rick
who's attempting to come up with a good defense like...
sometimes it's ok to just listen to music that sounds neat
but might not have any real depth or meaning...
which has it's truth.
but i'm really just a 15 year old mall chick at heart

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many moons ago a url for a site where you could get plane tickets to atlanta
for really cheap was posted (i think by the ever-resourceful jilly).   of
course, as always happens, i didn't need it back then, but now i do. so does
anyone happen to have the address?

liz <---who apologizes for never adding anything to the list except her
pathetic "help me" posts

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lori- i feel for you- i didn't get my copy of cons till today (another cd now
customer)...

neil- thanks for putting up the bert & ernie soundbyte. my curiousity has
been captured & i was just about to ask if anyone had heard it over the web.

count me in on the "it sucks when no one around you feels the way you do
about ig" thank god for this list. <grin> miami is sort of lame when it comes
to music. *sigh*

oh- just curious how effective the "resources" listed in the liner notes are-
how many of ya actually go visit them? i'm definitely bookmarking a couple...
i just really love the fact that the girls do that. :)

finally- nigc- anyone hear the new paula cole cd? thoughts? opinions? it has
a real marvin gaye "what's going on" vibe to it i think, which i really
really appreciate... not as personal as "this fire" or as strong imho, but
very spiritual & a beautiful album. :) anyway, if anyone out there wants to
chat about it drop me a  line off-list.

peace,
  rick

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does anyone know what time the show starts, and what
time ig goes on?
leslie

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i just saw this commercial on the food network...

<<  i just saw a commercial for cons on lifetime!!  a full commercial, only
for
ig!!  you can order it by phone. i've never seen that before.  new
marketing strategy for amy and emily?

peace and pride,
  - jen mek >>

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ok, here's mine! my turn! my turn!
  i love it!  it's that simple!  i drove 45 minutes
yesterday to get my copy - and got to listen to it on
the drive home, to work, while walking to classes.
  the beat is so lively, even on the sad songs.
  right now my faves are:  soon be to nothing (want to
say "to be" so bad!!), gone again, ozilline, faye
tucker, sister, andy, and philosophy of loss.  can you
tell i'm an amy girl?
  all the songs are amazing, but those stand out the
most for me right now.  i love ozilline for the talk
first - her granny is so cute!  the song rocks - pure
amy!  i also love soon be to nothing because it is so
true.
  i agree with the listie who said emily's voice
sounds much clearer - she sounds wonderful, and for
all she's been through, i'm surprised she sounds so
great.
  i know alot of you are missing the harmonies, and
this is only a little consolation - put on ear phones
while listening.  you can hear their voices mingle
more.  the sound comes across better, i think.
  the pics - i love 'em, tho i wish amy's face was
clearer in the water pic.  love the corn pic - amy
protectin' her emily!  how cute!
  i also found it sweet that they dedicated the album
to the living memory of carrie.  very thoughtful.  did
anyone else notice amy's first name of thanks?  i know
i'm not supposed to ask this, but would this be the
g/f?  if so, i am surprised she added the last name.
  anyway, for those of you waiting, it is amazing.  if
i had the booze, i would have been having my own party
as well last night, but alas, i put on quite the show
driving down i-81 yesterday, in the rain, screaming
the lyrics and "oh my god" to my cd player.  made some
people laugh, and others drive away with scared looks
on their faces. lol  oh well.  it was like christmas.
and i get to do it all over again next week with
melissa!!
  god, the girls just get better with age!  they are
amazing.
  ok, that's all i have to say.  enjoy everyone!

samantha

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amy s <asilve6213@aol.com> wrote:

i've heard the crying, "it doesn't sound like the old stuff."
that makes little difference to me.
it's still good stuff.
i like the old and the new.

high f*ing five!
-k

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upon listening again with more intent fervor i discovered a minor
discrepancy:


the truth is i was afraid . . .
. . .i felt inferior. . .
. . .i felt i excelled in competing with others and i knew instantly that
these people were not competing at all, that they were acting in a strange,
powerful trance of movement together.  and i was filled with longing to act
with them and with the fear that i could not.

-- taken from "i was marching" by meridel lesueur in salute to spring

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samantha zeiss <indigo1008@yahoo.com> wrote:
"ok, here's mine! my turn! my turn!
  i love it!"

how adorable! like you're in mid-conversation...


"if i had the booze, i would have been having my own party
as well last night."

think i did enough of that for all 700 of us!!!!!!!!

rock on amy and emily!!!!!!!!

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catherine spinale <catherine.spinale@pmn.com> wrote:
well o.k. now  -- that's just what i need.
someone else feels the same way i do about this
cd - elated.

thought i sent a message to the list, but i guess it was just to catherine. i
just wanted to publicly thank her for giving me such a boost! and add that...

"why can't you all be supportive that the girls want to do something
different?  why?"  i wonder this myself....

i love the variety of music, the horns, the drums,  the energy, everything.

giddy-up!

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figures that the e-mail gremlins would strike immediately upon my unlurking
here is the original message which never made it from what i can tell:


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subject: go spoken word


to all who are wondering what amy is saying in go here it is:

the truth is i was afraid . . .
. . .i felt inferior. . .
. . .i excelled in competing with others and i knew instantly that these
people were not competing at all, that they were acting in a strange,
powerful trance of movement together.  and i was filled with longing to act
with them and with the fear that i could not.

-- taken from "i was marching" by meridel lesueur in salute to spring

this lady was an awesome writer.  i went and got her book from the library
tonight and i cannot put it down yet.

on my thoughts on cons -- love it

i liked all the live stuff and now am loving the studio stuff -- especially
the horns in peace tonight (yes they are horns and not an accordion even
though that is what they sub in live shows)

a horn player,
nancy lambert (aka armydillo)

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ok, to break up the monotony, some info on michelle
being in new cumberland.  she will be appearing at
"the wire" in new cumberland.  the tickets are on sale
that night - first come, first serve.  i think he said
$10.  i will have specific directions tomorrow, so
email me and i can send them to ya'll.  there will be
an opening act, i will hopefully have a name for ya'll
tomorrow as well.
  so, that's all.  btw -cons is great!  sorry, ig
attack.
  back to the onslaught of cons reviews!

samantha

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is it just me or does this intro sound a tad bit like u2's where the streets
have no name???

**tricia**

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to all who are wondering what amy is saying in go here it is:

the truth is i was afraid . . .
. . .i felt inferior. . .
. . .i excelled in competing with others and i knew instantly that these
people were not competing at all, that they were acting in a strange,
powerful trance of movement together.  and i was filled with longing to act
with them and with the fear that i could not.

-- taken from "i was marching" by meridel lesueur in salute to spring

this lady was an awesome writer.  i went and got her book from the library
tonight and i cannot put it down yet.

on my thoughts on cons -- love it

i liked all the live stuff and now am loving the studio stuff -- especially
the horns in peace tonight (yes they are horns and not an accordion even
though that is what they sub in live shows)

a horn player,
nancy lambert (aka armydillo)

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on wed, 29 sep 1999, <tricia crockett> wrote:

> is it just me or does this intro sound a tad bit like u2's where the streets
> have no name???

oh good, i'm not the only one who thinks so . . . i nearly drove into the
curb earlier, racking my brain to figure out what it was reminding me of!
(y'know, listening to ig in the car is proving to be quite the hazardous
experience for me . . . *shakes head*)

so far, my "sounds like" total is

ozilline -- intro sounds like "where the streets have no name"
faye tucker -- beginning of first line sounds like great big sea's
rendition of "the night pat murphy died," just in a different key

<g>

        battle on,
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i was just wondering about the dedication on the back page of the liner
notes for cons. one of those listed is carrie saliers.  is she related
to emily, and if so does anyone know how she died?

peace,

barb

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just have to say...."here's to being human."

and, i love ozillane!

claudia

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i tend to think that "peace tonight" sounds like a barenaked ladies song...

i dunno....any thoughts?

claudia

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i know nw that someone who knew carrie doesn't want the subject up, so i
think ot of rspect for all involved i am retracting what i said.  and am
aking people who read my  note re:carrie saliers,  not to respond .

my sincerest condolences  to the saliers family,
and to all who know her.


barb

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<i've decided i'm adopting y'all, even though i'm in no way southern...
i just like it... and my mom still says it sometimes from the year or 2
she lived in va while growing up, so maybe i can call a claim that
way...>

not that we need another review, but i've enjoyed reading everyone
else's, so i figured i'd add my own.

so, first of all... i agree that it's a departure, and i do miss some
of  the harmonies, but the more i listen to the cd, the more i hear the
subtle harmonies that are there...

that aside, i love this cd... i've wanted to listen to the other cds i
bought yesterday, but haven't been able to bring myself to take cons out
of my stereo... i keep playing it and telling myself i'll switch the cd
afterwards, then when it ends thinking... 'but i want to hear this
again'... it's sorta funny... =)

i'm very much an emily person (though i really appreciate amy's songs,
too...), and usually drawn much more to their ballads.. nearly all of
their harder songs have taken me a bit of time to get to like... but on
this cd i find myself asolutely in love with a lot of amy's stuff, and
the harder stuff, right off the bat. and as hard as i try, i can't
decide on a favorite song.  i've been listening to cons just about
non-stop when i've been in my room for the past 2 days, and find myself
humming go and trouble through all of my classes...

so, here's the breakdown:

go: wonderful!!!! a great, rocking start. also very very sticky... but
that's fine 'cuz i love it! =) can't wait to hear this one live.  for
some strange reason i don't quite understand, though, half the time when
i'm humming this, it morphs in my head into this train... odd..

soon be to nothing: another one i really love... one of my favorite
emily ballads on here... along with pol. she sounds great!

gone again: a lot of fun... i can totally see this as a sing-along
song... can't help but dance to this one.

trouble: my goddess, emily can rock! i am so in love with this song!
it's such a shame this wasn't the single.  i agree that it's probably
because of the gay content... but that's such a shame, not to be able to
speak out with a social commentary because society doesn't already get
it... it's like they can't release it because people need to hear its
message... and if hey could, it wouldnt need to be said... it's so dang
frustrating.

sister: chills & tingles... whew... vintage ig here, in my opinion.

peace tonight: i must admit that on it's own, i'm not crazy about ths...
but on the cd, with everything else, i like it... sorta fun...

ozilline: not even words... powerful, heartfelt, beautiful... *sigh*...
and i really like the spoken word part at the beginning...

we are together: i really like this one too... the intro is reminiscent
of "saturday night's all right," it's true... but i just really like the
song...

cold beer: nice... pretty, a good sentiment... parts of this i really
identify with... it's nothing incredible, but nice.

compromise: punky amy rocks out, and takes all of us with her.. i don't
quite get the faint stuff before it begins... seems to have nothing to
do with the song... but the song itself... great!

andy: um... pleasant, but forgettable...

faye tucker: very good... i really love from the angel's bells part to
the end... natacha atlas is incredible!


my biggest complaint: that the hidden tracks are hidden, because i love
them, and sometimes i feel like just listenening to one or both of them,
not faye... it's annoying to have to fast forward...

sister reprise: incredible mood... wish it was longer...

philosophy of loss: my favorite ballad of cons, at least for the
moment.  i love it, i don't think the music's too happy for the words...
and althought i'm intrigued by the idea, i'm afraid to listen to that
sesame street song, 'cuz i don't want it to ruin the song for me. =)

does it seem to anone else that, along with getting in touch with her
punky side (and maybe even more so than that) amy's really gotten in
touch with her southern side? it seems to me like there's a lot more
twang in her songs than i'm used to...

well, there are my thoughts on the cd... thanks to anyone who read this
far... and i'm determined to change the cd eventually.. preferably
before i wear it out and/or the girls next door decide to kill me
because their sick of it.

peace, y'all,
shannon

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i was just going to the ig site, but when i typed it in, netscape added
the rest of the url to send me to indigogirlsdirect... and it's up... an
ig-only store!

http://www.indigogirlsdirect.com
go go go!

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okay, so it's not all up... just the tape/cd/video part... but it looks
like soon they're suposed to have clothes, collectibles, and more...
yay! and they seem to have decent prices, for anyon who needs to add to
their music or video collections...

peace, y'all,
shannon

shannon curnutte wrote:
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> i was just going to the ig site, but when i typed it in, netscape added
> the rest of the url to send me to indigogirlsdirect... and it's up... an
> ig-only store!
>
> http://www.indigogirlsdirect.com
> go go go!
>
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> shannonc@oregon.uoregon.edu
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> affections and the truth of imagination"          -rilke
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<< i was just going to the ig site, but when i typed it in, netscape added
the rest of the url to send me to indigogirlsdirect... and it's up... an
ig-only store!

http://www.indigogirlsdirect.com
go go go! >>


well, it's sort of up...  everytime i clicked on something, i got a little
message saying the catalog wasn't available.  but, this is more than what was
available earlier today.  i think it's cute how it plays the intro to fare
thee well...i just wish it wouldn't cut off where em's vocals begin.  anyway,
this is great.  hopefully ordering from artistdirect will be more timely and
efficient than ordering from rcam.  this should also be good for rcam (i'm
guessing they won't have to deal with mdse. orders any longer?)

peace!

joan (who owes several kind friends on this list e-mails:)

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in a message dated 9/29/99 11:14:40 pm, ctofine@aol.com writes:

<< i tend to think that "peace tonight" sounds like a barenaked ladies song...
>>

right there with ya on that one =)
-laura

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 01:03:18 edt
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hey ya'll.  i don't say much on here, i mostly read and learn, but i feel
inspired to speak tonight.  tonight's show in birmingham was my first ig
show.  i saw them at city stages many moons ago, but this was so much better!
they started with "go" which was incredible!  they played a lot of their new
songs, which though they may be harder and different, still gave me chills
the way all their music has done over the years.  i felt so in tune being
able to sing with them right there!  i have sung many an ig tune in the car,
in my house, even on the beach in brazil under the stars, but this experience
was so incredibly fulfilling!  the crowd was a bit smaller than i expected,
but the setting was amazing.  on some popular older tunes like "galileo" and
"kid fears" they girls let the crowd take over and sing.  it was awesome!  i
am more of an emily fan, but amy's energy and presence got me fired up!  i
like the energy the new album has.  now i love a great acoustic ballad, but
"cold beer and remote control" and a few others got me going!  i danced my
little ass off in the aisle and enjoyed every minute of it!

thanks for listening ya'll.

:)

heather

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on wed, 29 sep 1999, nancy lambert wrote:
date: fri, 1 oct 1999 18:32:00 +0000
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> to all who are wondering what amy is saying in go here it is:

many thanks, nancy . . . cons has been playing over and over again on my
car stereo all day and it's been bugging the hades outta me that i
couldn't make out the words!

now the question is . . . how long before one of y'all with better hearing
than i have figures out what emily is singing as counterpoint to the
second verse of "sister?"

(incidentally, i now measure the distance between hollywood and northridge
in terms of cons tracks--in good traffic it takes me from "go"  to "peace
tonight.")

        battle on,
        shanie
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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 01:51:52 edt
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    well, i for one, like this cd.  yeah, it's not "old-school" ig, but hey,
the girls aren't in their early 20's anymore;  people change.  i think that
it's interesting to look at their progression over the past 10-15 years.
emily has changed so much!  she's amazing.
    i miss the more accoustic folky music of the girls as much as the next
fan, but i'm not disappointed with cons.  although, i am a bit afraid of faye
tucker.  amy sounds so "grand ol' opry".  seems like she's a bit more country
than i ever thought.
    listen to sister if you think amy's lost her edge.  wow!  and ozilline is
great!  i love the beginning where amy's talking to her grandma about her
parents, about amy's great-grandfather's street preaching and all.  very
touching song.
    anyhow, i have 120 more posts to read tonite.  god!!!  i forgot what it
was like to come home to 100+ e-mails.  here we go go go.  (sorry!)  :)
        jennifer

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 01:12:55 -0500
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someone wrote:

>i read people saying things like "i'm going
>to go listen to this over and over to try to *force* myself to like it," and
>i'm thinking, what?!

i can actually relate to this.  when you enjoy a band for as long as i have
enjoyed ig, it is almost inconceivable that they would produce music that
you didn't care for.  so while in your denial you listen over and over to
try and like it.  sometimes this works--i hated sots for months.  now it's
ok after many listens and much lyric reading.

unfortunately i have much less hope for cons.  we can talk change all day
but the fact sure remains that ig have changed their musical style for this
one.  usually at first listen to an ig cd, many songs jump out and i
say--i'm gonna love that one.  i did not get that feeling from any
song--not even one.  very disappointed.  but i knew it was coming--emily
warned us that the dueling harmonies would be absent.  and they are surely
gone.  i totally respect them for branching outward musically and looking
for new sound.  but, their harmonies are what made them.  ig are the indigo
girls because they have amazing  harmonic ability when they sing together.
it's just sad for me as i miss albums like rop.  i think the only way i can
enjoy this cd is to go in thinking--ok, this is not ig.  this is some other
band.  then my expectations will go down.

to sum up my feelings on cons--i was at work yesterday after having proudly
obtained the new cd at midnight the night before.  i played the new cd all
day informing all my co-workers of the excitement.  we get to faye tucker
and there's that annoying screeching, tribal moaning at the end and 3 of my
co-workers stop in the middle of their conversation and go--what the hell
is this crap.  i had to cower in shame behind all my posters and ticket
stubs and ig stickers.  it was odd--it was almost like i had let them down.
maybe that transcends how i feel-let down.  i'll just keep listenin and
keep prayin for anothr acoustic album some day when the girls write sappy
ballads about life and aren't so entrenched in politics and pc jargon.

but i still love them (sniffle)....awwwwwwww.

oh and rick, how can you own any nkotb?  it's all about the backstreet
boys!  hahaha.

maybe i'll have a different opinion later.  see ya

greg

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 01:19:58 -0500
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yeah, it seems to me that in this album (even more than sots), amy's =
really exploring her mature self.

(now, this is pretention at its greatest, seeing as i'm just a 19yr old =
kid, but...)
this made me think of the request that she sing more 'blood and =
fire'-type songs, and the thought put forth
that she's not writing the angsty anthems anymore because she's not an =
angsty 20-something anymore, but
a mature woman in her 30's.

and, from what i know, once the rebellion stage (from oh, 12 to 30) is =
over, most folks start searching for and
appreciating their roots. this is what i love so much about ozilline - =
it's amy showing this wonder about her
grandmother, about where she comes from, and it makes me wistful that i =
never really got to know either of my bubbes...

but, to get more on point about the south - this is a very southern =
album. emily's always talked about the south
and how it affects her, but this is one of the first times that i've =
heard a lot of that in amy's songs - hers are more=20
personal angst or political anthems based on struggles going on =
somewhere else.  it's really nice to see her focus
more on her southern roots...

and the increased twang just makes this boy shiver each time i hear the =
cd...

<shudder>

okay - one exuberance: i've been big ole' ig fans since swamp ophelia =
(started with rop, but it was just when so came out) - so that's what, =
five years?  and next month i get to drool over them live at my first ig =
concert ever!! sooo psyched!!!!!!!!!!!!!

-geoff

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a: to see what people can't.
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i  listen to both the "old school indigo girls"
along withe "new school indigo girls>"  and don't get me wrong,  i love
the post  rop
girls  too,   but someone posed  a question to
me once.  this someone would have loved to
listen to  the igirls,

he  almost lied them except he couldn't hear
them, because,  like every  musician on a major  label,  they  had a
band.   it drove my
father away.  and i ask the same thing  as  he.
why is it that most successful groups  have have bands that either drown
them out  on the
words,  or  distract  ones attention  from the message?

sometimes i think  a band can, and does  enhance  a song,  that's best
illustrated on  shame on you, chickenman,  bury my heart at wounde knee,
and tons of  ig songs,  but when do most groups  acquire a band,  and
why?  why can't they have some tiours with the band, and others without
it?   do they have to be present on all  the numbers?

like i say, i too like to rock out,  and at concerts i like to scream
and yell and cheer my favorite
people on., but i also like to sit and listen to  their voices too.  i
miss that  accoustic sound  because  you can hear them sing   .

i don't know.  that's just what i'm thinkng tonight.   i love shed your
skin, and scooter boys.  i love the emotin the girls put into their
performances.  and the bands do help with that,
and they are good for dancing.

peace tonight,

take  care,

barb

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 01:48:42 -0500
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hi gregg,

thanks for what you put out, and let me know tat i'm not alone in my
dissappointment with cons too.  sometimes i wish there wasn't so much
speculation or build-up.

i feel like i do nothing but complain here, but
i want to be honest  on what i think about them
i like others do that too ,  and if you (who read this) praise te girls
entirely, with no critquing, no negatives with psitives that's fine i
mean nothing personal.  but i do enjoy  negative reviews too, because
they add  mor depth to the discuusion.  thanks.

peace

barb

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anna hidalgo again.  ugggggggggggghhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i love hidden tracks . . . i love it even more when they're
thought-provoking.  i've been listening to cons all day, and pol's been on
my mind.  i just can't stop thinking about it.  i read a couple of posts
commenting on how emily seemed a bit too condemning of churches in the
song, and that got me to thinking even more . . . those posts have a
point, i do concede that.

however . . . there's got to be some truth behind these lyrics, hasn't
there?
"and the doors open wide to all straight men and women,
but they are not open to me."
i can relate to this--and i know many others who can.  it's true that
people are learning--it's true that some churches are becoming more
accepting --yet the fact remains that at this point in time, it's . . .

just . . .

not . . .

enough.

recently, i was more or less forced by my parents to attend a "weekend
family retreat" for their church.  they make me go every year.  it was
supposed to be two and a half days of bonding as a family unit . . .
which, for my family, turned out to be the biggest farce in the world, for
reasons i won't go into.

anyway, i remember one of the sermon sessions from last year's retreat . .
. the pastor just launched into a full-out attack on homosexuality, and
there i was, sitting in the front row.

i remember being terrified . . . a couple of the youth group kids knew i
was gay, that i wasn't even christian, but the congregation at large
didn't know, to say nothing of my parents and the pastor.  but i couldn't
just sit there and take that.  up until that moment, i'd felt so secure
there . . . i'd been starting to feel as though, despite my differences
from everyone else there, they just might accept me anyway.

but there they all were, nodding zealously and murmuring assent; i could
feel the atmosphere in the room changing.  i could feel my friends' eyes
on me--the ones who knew my secret, anyway--and i didn't have to look at
them to know that they could see me tensing up, and that they were
worried.  so was i, as a matter of fact.  his words were really tearing at
my heart and at the sense of security i'd built up over the weekend.  i
didn't think i could take the pain any more--but if i got up and walked
out then, wouldn't it be pretty obvious to everyone there why i had?

but i am weak, after all, and in the end, the pain won out over the fear,
and i got up and walked out.  the issue hasn't been brought up yet--not
openly, anyway--but i still walk into that church every week when my
parents make me go with them, and wonder why the only people who greet me
as enthusiastically as they did a few years ago are the kids.  do they
know, or do they just suspect?  why does the pastor always get a guarded
expression on his face when he shakes my hand after the service?  why does
my mother constantly make cryptic comments about not liking what college
did to me, and why does my dad always have to come into the living room
while i'm watching xena and ask me, "she (gabrielle) looks really good,
doesn't she?"

and i worry about how much longer i can count on the kids' guileless
greetings, knowing what they're being taught.  this state of doubt is a
really cruddy way to live, but until i'm financially and educationally in
a position of independence . . . aw hell, i'll admit it, i'm just damn
scared of what might happen if my family knew for sure.

all i know is that my family has a history of being very condemning of
family members who stray from their set of morals.  among my cousins,
there are several who just don't get spoken of any more, and even their
parents tend to be shunned.  the same goes for other relatives.  we just
don't mention them any more . . . or if we hear their names, they're
usually spoken with disgust, invoked for the sake of juicy gossip, and
held up as examples of things my younger cousins *shouldn't* be.

that's to say nothing of the comments that i catch getting thrown around
by my coworkers and people on campus at school.  bad enough that
derogatory terms about my sexuality are so common, but to hear them being
used so casually and cold-bloodedly as insults really stings.  my
coworkers know about me--i'm so out at work, you have to swerve around
me--but they insult each other in front of my face using those terms,
without a second thought.  i've pointed out many times, politely and not
so politely, that it hurts me personally to hear them talk like that, but
i fear that it's become so ingrained into their way of thinking that it'll
take a lot more than what i say to convince them.

and i just now read that after two gay marriages taking place in that
country, the president of uganda has ordered the police to hunt down and
arrest as many homosexuals as they can.

it's sad to think that the society which will be entering the next
millennium is a society in which intolerance and homophobia still prevail,
a society where alt-fanfic writers can get flamed for depicting a
relationship more loving and genuine than so much of what the media feeds
us just because the characters happen to share a gender, a society whose
daily occurrences are still capable of prompting the writing of songs such
as "philosophy of loss."

it's a daunting task to take all of this on.  gods know, no one person
could take all of this on.

. . . but there are people who do what they can.  people like the indigo
girls who speak out unabashedly and don't pull any lyrical punches; people
who have the courage to go out and protest and get threatened and
physically harmed for their efforts; people like sister jeanine gramick,
who's been working to reconcile gays and lesbians to the roman catholic
church.  people like melissa good, whose sensitive portrayals of the two
protagonists in her xena fan fiction stories have subtly swayed people to
a more tolerant, accepting mindset.  every little bit helps . . . and to
everyone who contributes to progress despite the overwhelming odds, i
offer my greatest thanks.  you sustain my faith in humanity--if it weren't
for people like you, that faith might very well have died by now.

        battle on,
        shanie
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<< from:    "<tricia crockett>" <tricialc@aol.com>
subject: ozilline

is it just me or does this intro sound a tad bit like u2's where the streets
have no name???

**tricia** >>

ding ding ding!

man, thank you....i dont know about the whole song but the opening riffs on
that have been driving me effin insane for two days now because i knew they
reminded me of something but couldnt place it. where the street's is the
answer i was looking for.

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in a message dated 09/29/1999 3:26:18 pm pacific daylight time, kz123@att.net
writes:

<< so here's the punk album.
can't wait til grand master em and dr. ray crank out the
next one.>>

        since i'm a big blues fan, i'd love to see the girls head more in
that direction next cd.   we all know em's got the ability, ie: tangled up in
blue (love her solo part in that!), and amy certainly has the voice for
blues.
        wishful thinking, maybe, but i can dream.

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don't laugh.  i have loved and still do garth brooks.  (i know i know  =
boo hiss). =20

anyone catch his primetime special last night for "the life of chris =
gaines"?  he is a trip.  either he has totally lost his mind or he is =
going thru a midlife crisis.  either way i applaude him as the results =
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hey guys. i had two of you who requested my new
background who i could not send it to due to mail box
restricktions....freakgrrl5@juno.com and
indigonyc1200@yahoo.com....your mailboxes were too
full for me to send it to you, so email me with a
solution. i hate to have ig backgroundless people out
there....everyone should have a good one to stare at
while they work or play or what have you...tee
hee...just let me know what to do here guys....


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shannon mast wrote:
"as for the origin of this new punky flavor, amy has
said ever since she first started that she loves bands
like husker du and rage against the machine--is it so
unusual that that kind of influence is coming out in
her own writing? sure, em has always listed her
favorites as joni mitchell and the like, but why can't
her tastes have changed a bit?  for god's sake,
8 years ago, all i listened to was new kids on the
f****** block! ;) (how many of you sympathize? c'mon,
raise your hands, you know you're out there!)"

baby i am right here with you...i still listen to my
rick springfield tapes...tee hee...and you are
right...i happen to lov ethe new album because of the
diversity of the sounds. there is a sampling of
everything there...and yes i agree we should be free
to like of dislike anything we want....we are not in a
cult or anything just fans of two amazingly talented
women...nothing more nothing less...we are intimate
strangers. but we are intimate strangers with each
other....make sence????

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i agree with elaine wholeheartedly here. as a poet
myself, i understand that when i am in the middle of
the worst turmiol i write wonderful stuff, and when
i'm happy and peaceful it is kinda strained and at the
rate that my life has been going i have been crankin
it out lateley...tee hee...but please dont wish that
on anyone...you know once spoken in the air...so mote
it be sometimes...just my opinion and thoughts on the
subject...


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hey y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

right now i am one happy grrrrrrrrl!

this morning i woke up, pissed cause i still didn't have cons, and ready to flip out at the fine folks at amazon.com.  so then i went to the international center to check my box, and sure enough, no package slip for cons yet.  rurrrg!

so anyway, my friend and i went into osaka to go to den den town (where you can buy electronics for very cheap!).  anyway, we made a few quick stops before going to den den town.  at this large international music store (cpa), i decided just to look at the tiny (i mean tiny!) ig section just to *see* if they had it.

in the front was swamp-o, with sots right behind it.  but behind sots, there it was...come on now social!!!

i ran over to my friend in the j-pop section screaming "oh my fu**ing god!"  even though i had preordered it, i had to buy it!  who knows when amazon will get their butts in gear (i don't think it was even mailed yet!).  completely dazed, exicted, and flipping out, i left the store.

anyway, we had a whole full day ahead of us planned.  and there was no way in hell that i could wait till i got home to listen to the cd.  so we were going to den den town, and i really did need a new cd disc-woman anyway, and electronics are super cheap there, so i decided to buy a new cd player (it is a light shade of indigo!!!) so that i didn't have to wait to hear the cd.  so yeah, you knowyou're obsessed with ig when...you buy a new cd player cause you can't wait to hear the cd (i did need a new one anyway).  so then we went outside to get it the batteries in and stuff like that.  but i decided that i hated the head phones that it came with.  so what does karen do?  buys a new pair of headphones, of course.

anyway, i have been listening to this cd for the past 5 hours, and i love i, i love it, i love it!!!!!!!!!!

ok, here is my review:

go-  a great opening song.  a get up, get out, and get your ass in gear song!

soon to be nothing- one of emily's most beautiful ballards ever.  when i heard it at the sst, i couldn't wait to hear it on a new cd.  anyway, some of emily's best poetry.

gone again- my favorite song on the album!  i love the lyrics, the beat, it makes me want to get up and move.  i love the line about the melbourne wrecking crew, because for some reason, i have this hilarious view of amy in one of those bright yellow construction hats.  weird, i know, but a great image.

trouble- very different for emily, but i do like it!  it reminds me (for some weird reason) of u2's sunday bloody sunday (what is it with u2 and this album, ozilline...)

sister- amy's voice sounds so amazing here.  kind of a haunting tone...

peace tonight- i agree that it is 'radio friendly', but i do not hate it.  yeah, it's not one of emily's best, but it is still a good song.

ozilline- i loooove any ig song with a banjo! it is kind of a funky mix of rock, folk, and bluegrass.  and i like it!  :-)

we are together- kate shellenbach on the drums kicks ass!  it reminds me a bit of back together again.  hummm...i wonder why!  but of course, this is much more sophistacated.

cold beer and remote control-  i think it is funny (so true for so many guys i know), in a socially tragic way.  does that make any sense?

compromise- i am still thinking about this song.... (i like it, i just don't really have anything intelligent to say at this time...)

andy- another emily ballard.  i love the second verse.

faye tucker-  yes!  a strong statement aganist the death penalty!  amy is so fucking amazing.  "well the minister wants you to live now, and the governor wants you to fry.....if you live they gonna make you a campaigner, if you die they gonna make you a grave, either way it does down, well your life's not your own, and that's why killin' don't pay"

philosophy of loss- what an extra treat!  i don't think it's exactly anti-religion, but there is definiatly a strong statement about the social structure of the us, and of some of the recent tragedies.  (would someone mind sending me the lyrics for that again?)

anyway, this cd rocks!!! i love it!  and i am so glad i finally have it (and my new cd player...heheh).  i am sure everyone on this list already has it (except if you live in another country, and trust me, i do feel your pain!)

allright, enough rambling.  off to study (while listening to the cd)... nihongo o benkyoo shinagara indigo girls o kiku!!!

:-) karen (perhaps the biggest ig freak in all of japan...)


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yes what story?!?!?!?!?!?

--- chris talbot <talbotc@umich.edu> wrote:
> >
> > sister reprise: try listening to it while staring
> out into a dark, cold
> > rainstorm.  after hearing the story about amy on
> her motorcycle in the rain,
> > it all makes sense...
> >
> what story?  do tell... someone!
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colline mentioned emily being affected by her tragedy.
can some tell me what happened?  i'm guessing it
has something to do with my carrie saliers is listed
on the notes in dedication.

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wow. i just wanted to drop yet another note of gratitude to this list. we've
had a few late entries to our fundraiser, and thanks to those, it pushed us
over the $3600 mark! thank you listees!!

for those of you who were our top winners, i hope you enjoy your upcoming
shows with your winning tickets! we have spoken to the girls and their
management, and they will be autographing your other prizes as soon as they
get a day off, so we will send those out to you as soon as we get those.

>from everyone here at honor the earth, thank you listees. we will do our
best to bring you the most amazing honor 2000 tour yet! check out our
websites for hte 2000 updates and recordings from our previous tours.


kristen mcelveen & greta gohn
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like to hear an update on the yucca mountain nuclear waste act, please visit
our web site, and don't forget to fill out an action card!
stop nuclear dumping on native lands!
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this *is* the name listed in the thank-you's isn't it?  is there a reason
this name is familiar to me?  can anyone shed some skin - i mean light?

-tara

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hi

i have two general admission tickets to the ani difranco concert at the =
tabernacle in atlanta, ga on monday october 11, 1999 at 8pm....and sadly =
i am not going to be able to make the drive up there to go... :-(  =
<sniff, sniff>

so i was wondering if any of you kind friends would like buy them.... =
they were $25 plus $5.75 service charge each, so $60 for the pair...and =
like i said it's a general admission show...

e-mail me if you're interested...thanks....and yeah, if you buy them =
from me, you also get the chance to e-mail me afterward and rub it in =
what a wonderful show i missed ;-)  haha

kim
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hey,

-i'm debating about this tape.
the faye tucker song is ambivalent.  is she pro death penalty or anti death
penalty?   i'd be interested in
what others thought.  when she says the line about "killin don't pay", it
could be
directed at karla faye for having killed people or the people who have
killed her.
maybe it is meant to be ambivalent.  i know i am ambivalent about the issue.

- truthfully, i'm disappointed that emily would annoint  cold beer and
remote control with anything other than everything that is wrong with our
world, and everything that is keeping our generation from truly creating
change in this world. there are so many young people who do not need this
kind of encouragement.

of course i'm probably the only person who didn't appreciate the lines in
closer to fine : " the less you seek your source, the closer you are to
fine."     i think this line would be good for someone who seeks on
over-drive, constantly soul-searching etc.,  but when i hear a whole
audience sing that, all i can think is that no one has even started seeking.
i've always wanted to tell someone that.

of course, i can't expect them to be perfect. they do so much good work
otherwise.

i'll share more later.

be soul

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in a message dated 09/29/1999 4:20:39 pm eastern daylight time,
vaskys9889@duq.edu writes:

<<  .and i remember emily saying something about how
other artists are so good at incorporating irony into their songs, and
how she's tried to and can't, but wishes she could. . .maybe this is the
first song she's written w/irony that she feels satisfied enough with to
actually put on a cd? i don't know. .
  >>
that's almost exactly how i felt when i heard it.  the meaning is  so
powerful and yet the music sounds so light.
    i listened to the cd with my other ig fan friend and we got the
impression that amy and emily are in such different spots in their lives than
ever before (which makes sense, like someone else said, they are in their mid
30's now).  i think emily seems more angry than usual, whereas amy seems to
be...well, not.  not as much as before anyway.  then we started wondering if
the death of her sister, along with all the other stuff over the last year,
may have had some impact on emily's  writing.  i doubt that it didn't.  a few
lines made me think she was referring to that loss.
    any thoughts?  i know that discussing the girls personal lives is taboo,
but in general, losing someone close can make individuals more creative
artistically, and i felt that was where emily was coming from while writing
this album.

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 10:36:30 -0400
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actually, i know 'soon be to nothing' was already pretty much done before
the time of tragedy.  i imagine some of the other songs were in the works.
but true, something like that can definitely affect everything you do.
perhaps it is what led to some creative apathy as well.  i mean, i know if
my mind is preoccupied with something that makes me sad, i can't do
*anything* creative, because i get a 'i don't care' kind of attitude.  maybe
she went through some of that too.  maybe not.

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>-i'm debating about this tape.
>the faye tucker song is ambivalent.  is she pro death penalty or anti death
>penalty?   i'd be interested in
>what others thought.  when she says the line about "killin don't pay", it
>could be
>directed at karla faye for having killed people or the people who have
>killed her.
>maybe it is meant to be ambivalent.  i know i am ambivalent about the issue.

amy is most definitely anti death penalty.  check out the resources listed
in the cd packaging.  one of the is the national coalition to abolish the
death penalty.  she & emily also played at an anti death penalty benefit
concert in april.

>- truthfully, i'm disappointed that emily would annoint  cold beer and
>remote control with anything other than everything that is wrong with our
>world, and everything that is keeping our generation from truly creating
>change in this world. there are so many young people who do not need this
>kind of encouragement.

i think emily is commenting on the emptiness of society.  i don't think
she's encouraging the use of beer and television to numb ourselves but
rather acknowledging that sad fact that it happens.

>of course i'm probably the only person who didn't appreciate the lines in
>closer to fine : " the less you seek your source, the closer you are to
>fine."     i think this line would be good for someone who seeks on
>over-drive, constantly soul-searching etc.,  but when i hear a whole
>audience sing that, all i can think is that no one has even started seeking.
>i've always wanted to tell someone that.

to me, this always meant there is no one perfect solution to all our
problems.  a doctor can't cure everything, neither can the innocence of
children or religion.  what works for someone else may not work for you.
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on thu, 30 sep 1999, be soul wrote:

> the faye tucker song is ambivalent.  is she pro death penalty or anti death
> penalty?

   quite anti....

   i'd be interested in
> what others thought.  when she says the line about "killin don't pay", it
> could be
> directed at karla faye for having killed people or the people who have
> killed her.
> maybe it is meant to be ambivalent.  i know i am ambivalent about the issue.
>
> - truthfully, i'm disappointed that emily would annoint  cold beer and
> remote control with anything other than everything that is wrong with our
> world, and everything that is keeping our generation from truly creating
> change in this world. there are so many young people who do not need this
> kind of encouragement.
>
> of course i'm probably the only person who didn't appreciate the lines in
> closer to fine : " the less you seek your source, the closer you are to
> fine."     i think this line would be good for someone who seeks on
> over-drive, constantly soul-searching etc.,  but when i hear a whole
> audience sing that, all i can think is that no one has even started seeking.
> i've always wanted to tell someone that.
>
> of course, i can't expect them to be perfect. they do so much good work
> otherwise.
>
> i'll share more later.
>
> be soul
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   darius

"i'm marked for death, and they send me on the road with a pr nerd."

"he's a charming man, as well as a holy man.  i told him he was also a
great showman, whereupon he took my 'fly' shades and put them on - the
first funky pontiff!"
   - bono

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on thu, 30 sep 1999, sheryl jones wrote:

> >- truthfully, i'm disappointed that emily would annoint  cold beer and
> >remote control with anything other than everything that is wrong with our
> >world, and everything that is keeping our generation from truly creating
> >change in this world. there are so many young people who do not need this
> >kind of encouragement.
>
> i think emily is commenting on the emptiness of society.  i don't think
> she's encouraging the use of beer and television to numb ourselves but
> rather acknowledging that sad fact that it happens.

i'd have to agree here.  having been lucky enough to work not-so-shitty
jobs in my life and watching my dad break his back for 40 years for some
money-grubbing asshole helps me to identify with this song.  i worked in a
grocery store for a summer, and i remember what the grind was like (get
up, go to work, get tired as hell, go home and sleep just to do it all
over again).  and it sucked.  i really like this song alot.  i've been
reading _working_ by studs terkel for the past three months or so, and
it's very moving.  it really makes me appreciate the fact that my job is
*easy* compared to what others have to do on a day-to-day basis.

anyway, i finally listened to the whole album fully and i have to say i
love it.  i'm not quite satisfied with the production, but i don't think i
would be unless i was doing the mixing, etc. myself.  there's a lot of
great songs and i wish i was going to see them live this fall.  (damn them
for cancelling the albany date!!!)  i *hate* the packaging.  and to
whomever it was that said that the cover looked like tmbg's john henry,
now i can't look at it without thinking about that!  but i do love it. i
feel like ig is mixing my favorite kinds of music--some heavy stuff and
some folky stuff and some rootsy stuff all on one album.  yay!

kelly

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on thu, 30 sep 1999, hicktruckdriver wrote:

> > the faye tucker song is ambivalent.  is she pro death penalty or anti death
> > penalty?
>
>    quite anti....

   control-o postpones, control-x sends.
   exactly how i managed to miss by a margin of four inches, the world may
never know - ignore that, it wasn't yet fit for public consumption.

   darius

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be soul wrote:


> of course i'm probably the only person who didn't appreciate the lines in
> closer to fine : " the less you seek your source, the closer you are to
> fine."     i think this line would be good for someone who seeks on
> over-drive, constantly soul-searching etc.,  but when i hear a whole
> audience sing that, all i can think is that no one has even started
> seeking.
>
hmmm.  as a songwriter i'm always amazed at the myriad ways lines can be
interpreted.  i was going to write more on this later, after i listened
to cons a couple more times, but feel compelled at this point to jump
into the conversation (which, btw, i've really been enjoying). i had
always felt the line "the less you seek your source..." spoke to
simplifying.  as in, the more you simplify your life, the better off
you'll be.  but here's the thing about words, we hear them through
different lives.  one of the things i've always loved so much about a &
e is the way they write universally, and so many things are open to
interpretation.  that is also how i  try to write.  it is a balancing
act, to make sense, but also be open to varying interpretations.  it is
not important to me that the listener understand or get exactly what my
experience was that influenced the song.  it is important to me that the
listener find some meaning for themselves in the song.  sometimes i know
when i'm writing it that a song, or a line, might be interpreted as
meaning this or that, and sometimes people surprise me with what it
means to them.  as writers, the first rule is to write what you know.
as fans and listeners, we will naturally relate to the music and lyrics
by way of what we know.  one persons favorite song will be somebody's
else's irritation.  and as writers, and listeners, our lives bring us
experiences, and experiences change our lives.  there is no way for that
not to show up in our work, our love, our daily lives. oh, and while on
the subject, the line in "sister", "between the blanket and the gun"...
i looked at this in context and my first impression was that it was
maybe an alternative, amy-esque way of saying "between the cradle and
the grave".

having said all that, here's a few last thoughts:  i wish "winthrop" was
on this album; i'm wondering where all of emily's brilliant solos
are???; and even though each album has them exercising new musical
muscles (which i respect but don't always care for), their brilliance
still shines.  i very much still hear "the girls" in all these songs.  i
still feel their music is honest, and genuine, and they have changed
with the years as we all do, but they are still the girls i fell in love
with 10+ years ago.

cheers,

elizabeth
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hello everyone!
     i have a small favor to ask.  i've heard all this talk about amy's new
tattoo; i assume y'all mean the celtic knot on her chest.  my eyes have not
been blessed with the sight of it yet.  i think i am starting to scare the
other people in the computer lab, because i keep staring intently at these
pictures of amy's chest.  please help!
     i have another question, and i certainly hope i don't offend anyone, but
doesn't amy look a bit like martha stewart in some of the new pictures? i
guess it's the eyes or hair. wow! those eyes, that hair, that smile, that
voice, those tight black pants she writhes in when she's on stage! in the
words of ani d. - "my imagination is rattling its cage!" she makes me squirm
in my seat. em's a hottie, too.  she has that contagious smile.
     oh well, a nice day to all of you. thanks for sharing the love!

kristin

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nikki you tell your mom that she rocks!!!! and you do
to darlin!!!!!!!!!!!!!   as our beloved amy has
said...."go, go, go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


--- nikki hass <clsrtofine@yahoo.com> wrote:
> hkfs,
>
>   i have a story to tell about getting my copy of
> cons:
>
>
>   i went to target yesterday morning with my mom bc
> she had to go there for something. well i figured,
> might as well get my cons cd while i am here.  so i
> went to go look for it...i got to the cd area,
> walked
> right over to the new releases section, silly me
> figured..."new releases it must be there" i was
> wrong.
> so i looked on the bid display of the popular music.
> wrong. so i was getting a little frantic, but then i
> got excited and figured "they must have sold out".
> so
> i started browsing through the country cds looking
> for
> a gift for my mom and who should i come upon but the
> frickin indigo girls!!!! and of course there were
> like
> 20 copies of cons. so i am pissed now. so i go over
> to
> the new releases section and kindly clear a row-the
> kind of row the goes vertical, straight down and i
> proceed to fill it up with the indigo girls cds.  am
> i
> evil or what? the ig bandit strikes again!!!!!!!!!!
> so
> i go to the counter with my mom to pay for her crap
> plus the cd and what does the checkout girl say but
> "oh, indigo girls, there gay right?"  i freaked out
> and went on a tyrade about why does it matter if
> they
> are gay...would you comment on someones puff daddy
> cd
> and say "oh hes black isnt he?"  i went off and my
> mom
> (who isnt homophobic but still after 5 years of
> being
> out has a rought time with me being gay) says to the
> girl "now if you wouldn't mind putting this
> wonderful
> work of music in the bag..my girlfriend and i can go
> home and spend sometime together!!" i busted out
> laughing so hard i thought i was going to throw up.
> the girl looked disgusted but i was so proud of my
> mom.  target will not see my presence for a long
> time!!!!!
>
> nikki
>
>
>
>
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the following is from the national coalition to abolish
the death penalty. check out the link on killing
children. an ugly business.

http://www.ncadp.org/

from the page on killing children:
(b) racial discrimination in choosing which children to
                                 execute

the sentencing of children to death reflects a pervasive
pattern of racial discrimination. this century, 75% of
all juvenile offenders executed were african american, as
was every child executed for rape. of the nine known
cases where females were executed for childhood offenses,
eight involved african american girls. the other  penalty
in 1976, african american children continue to be
death-sentenced at a higher rates: 2/3's of all persons
executed this decade for juvenile crimes were african
american.

kc

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        reply to:   re>change


>since i'm a big blues fan, i'd love to see the girls head more in
>that direction next cd.   we all know em's got the ability, ie: tangled up >in blue (love her solo part in that!), and amy certainly has the voice for
>blues.

same here!  man, that'd be awesome--that'd be more than awesome.  they could pull that off so well!  :)

also, i have to say, that after listening to cons for about 2 days now, my initial misgivings about it have completely disappeared.  this cd is the most creative thing they've done, and i love it.  the drum thing doesn't bug me anymore, and after listening to it more, i can actually hear harmonies and stuff, so i feel so much better!  they're making a natural progression, and frankly, if they were still doing blood and fire type stuff, i might be bored.  so any crap-talking i might have done about cons, i take it all back! (phew!)
thank you very much,
leslie

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subject:      would you like to meet the igs??

.. and what's more, watch them record a world cafe appearance on tuesday in philly??

all ya have to do is become a member of wxpn and donate $1,000 to become a special
producer which entitles you to this and about 9 other similar sessions throughout the
year...

bargain, no?
*cough*

i say hang out after the show... it's cheaper...

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 14:42:27 edt
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>many moons ago a url for a site where you could get plane tickets to
>atlanta
>for really cheap was posted (i think by the ever-resourceful jilly).

http://www.airtran.com was the place

and i'm only resourceful for you guys.

jill-o

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unbelievably, the philadelphia city paper actually took notice of the
release of cons and the upcoming philly shows.  *and* there's a picture.
nice.

see for yourself:
http://www.citypaper.net/articles/093099/ae.pik.girls.shtml

steph

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hello everybody.  for about a month now, i have been
a silent member of this list, but now that the album
is out -- i should be too!! (figuratively and literally.)

since i am a dear, close friend of miss karen murphy's,
the two of us have been known to share a brain.
so, it will come as no surprise that i agree with her
about the new album.  i enjoy indigo girls very much.
(not quite to the same manic, frenzied, and oft-drunken extent
as karen, but i am defintely a f-a-n.)

i'll admit, when i first heard sots and cons i was initially
surprised.  both albums are drastically different from their
predecessors -- i have even heard someone describe it
by saying that it was like listening to a "new" band.  but,
what remains are the thoughtful and heartfelt lyrics and
amazing guitar mastery -- and that's what first attracted
me to the girls' music.

it has been said that if someone abandons or dislikes
the girls' new material, then he/she is not a "true" fan.
i cannot say that i agree or disagree with that statement.
someone can like old ig and despise the new stuff, but
it's really a matter of personal taste and open-mindedness.

a good example is 10,000 maniacs.  i am a big fan of
natalie merchant.  i enjoyed 10,000 maniacs when natalie
was a member of the band, but not now.  that may be
because she was their primary songwriter and now
their material seems lifeless and flat, or it could be
something sub-conscious on my part.  to tell you the
truth, when natalie first broke out as a solo artist,
it took a while before i really *loved* her new stuff.
because it was *so* different.

maybe that's the case with ig too.  maybe we're still
holding on to an ig that doesn't exist anymore.  everyone
grows, evolves, and changes in their lifetime.  this album
is a reflection of the changes and maturity going on in
the lives of our beloved storytellers.  and, the last
time i checked, i'm not the same person i was three
years ago.  (laughing at the thought of where i was,
mentally, three years ago.)

change isn't always bad.  give it a chance to grow
on you...

thanks for reading.
andy

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well, not to be outdone, philadelphia weekly weighed in with this somewhat
obnoxious snippet:

http://www.phillyweekly.com/weekly98/ae/music.tmpl

                 indigo girls
                 mon.-tues., oct. 4-5, 8pm. $36. with rose polenzani
                 (oct. 4) + three finger cowboy (oct. 5). tower theatre,
                 69th and ludlow sts. 215.336.2000

                 a decade after their major label debut, the indigo girls
just keep plodding away. and nothing--aside from an ever-increasing number
of fans--has changed much since. this time, they're touring in support of
their seventh studio album, come on now social (epic), which features an
array of guests, ranging from luscious jackson's kate schellenbach to
members of the band to arabian vocalist natacha atlas. emily saliers and
amy ray refuse to fall prey to industry trends, and their music continues
feed off the same stadium-inspired, roots rock elements--a perfect
combination of intimate, socially aware acoustic ballads balanced out with
rousing rock anthems. though the new material--best described as a bastard
cross between bruce springsteen and jewel--isn't particularly inventive, it
is entertaining. best yet, after all these years, it's still clearer than
ever who writes what. saliers is keen on the banjo and mandolin; ray is all
about pounding electric guitars. and the indigo girls still make for one of
the most politically charged, audience-friendly pairings since the original
woodstock era--their legions of butch females and fratboy types
notwithstanding.
                                               --kim newman

steph

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on thu, 30 sep 1999, stephanie strassel wrote:

> their legions of butch females and fratboy types
> notwithstanding.
>                                                --kim newman

   i take exception to that!  i am neither a butch female or a fratboy
type!  (although from a broad stereotypical view, the former is much less
offensive...)

   :)

   darius

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can we talk?
can we talk about erin mckeown?
the original folk-funk-jazz-blues fusion?
i thought so.

alrighty, folks.
i know i've told you before about this chica.
were you listening?
well, here i go again.  only this time,
one mr. michael khouri of the ri songwriters assoc. agrees with me.

now, i really dislike reviews wherein the reviewer feels the need to compare
the artist at hand with a dozen other musicians, 11/12 of which i've never
heard of (django? kessel? god do i have a lot of music left to discover).
it's like a big game of 'my music collection's more obscure than yours.'
name-dropping notwithstanding,
this guy does know talent when he hears it.
(and he can actually put forth a grammatically-coherent review, whereas all
i can come up with is "she's so fucking good.
oh my god.")

alls i ask is that you take a minute to peruse his review of erin mckeown's
snazzy album, and then check out http://erinmckeown.com ,
if only to shut me up.

and. would the eight of you that i made those compilation tapes for
please step forward and tell the list what you think?  (you owe me that
much, no?)

faaaaame
i'm gonna liiiiive foreeeever
jill

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"erin mckeown's monday morning cold"
rhode island songwriters assoc newsletter sep/oct 99
michael khouri

with her second and latest release, monday morning cold,
singer/guitarist/songwriter/poet erin mckeown has stood up alone, faced us
all and given an oral report. the report is a personal, detailed 12 song
expression of life and love, trust and mendacity, sex and fear. these
subjects are hardly new to songs and their authors, but mckeown, who is part
beat-poet, part funkster, part jazz-king, and part torch singer, has innate
power to make everything new again. barely 21, she's an exceptional,
self-taught guitarist with a voice that is pure, honest, edgy and quite
beautiful.  she posesses perfect intonation along with enunciation that is
magically endearing and magnetic. i will say this- my imagination declares
that her coffee table is cluttered with django, billie holiday, barney
kessel, and alan ginsberg.

"fast as i can" is an expose of the music business's ugly underbelly. the
band swaggers and chugs while mckeown, remaining positive and optimistic,
dodges the demons of sucess.  alex auritt on drums and
brent shields on upright bass embellish this selection, never overshadowing
mckeown's potent, matter-of-fact vocal.

"my hips" recounts sexual awakening and losses and gains that occur during
such an epiphany. mckeown reveals that she's all grown up when, coyly, she
states, "a little innocence in these lips isn't so hard to
wipe away." it's a dead heat here as to which of the two is more poetic- her
guitar playing or her lyrics.

the live "easy baby" is a funky/ wah-wah plea to her lover.  the
self-assured mckeown lets her guard down, showing she can be putty in the
proper hands. her playing on this cut is sweet and right.

"monday morning cold" is a rap that reveals all the thoughts that
can pop into a sleepy mind, a mind that can be truthful, stark and almost
brutal in its imagery.

"lullaby", a tribute to friendship, is a tune that shows how pretty and
strong her voice can be. with a gorgeous guitar sound and
performance, the track is very telling of her talent and future.

the jazzy, almost brubeck-esque "pride to sell" places mckeown in a love
triangle, admonishing yet another lover. she asks out of
frustration, "what kind of game is it where you win and you lose, you pick
and you choose, and your opponent looks the same?"

"good friend martin" is a nod to 20's tin pan alley songwriting that comes
to 90's life in mckeown's capable hands. her guitar playing
here shows how musically mature and talented this young troubador is.

"how to open my heart in 4 easy steps" is a touching declaration of love and
devotion. her vulnerability, depth and soul are apparent with
lyrics like, "won't you roll that stone from my heart?"

the album wraps up with "something comes", a top-40 tune waiting to happen.
recorded live on wcuw, it's a performance that shows mckeown's
true colors- a very seasoned, professional singer, guitar player and
songwriter.

the very last thing you hear on the album is mckeown mildly scolding herself
for speaking, as she says, "like a little teenager", but it's evident that
mckeown is older and wiser than her years.
i dare not attempt to predict the level to which fame and fortune
will elevate her, for public admiration is a fickle lover, but if there is
any justice, mckeown will be applauded and embraced for years to come.


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me either, i am a femme female...who likes brunette
butches...do i still count as a fan????

p.s. i'm a single femme too by the way...:o)

--- hicktruckdriver <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
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> on thu, 30 sep 1999, stephanie strassel wrote:
>
> > their legions of butch females and fratboy types
> > notwithstanding.
> >
> --kim newman
>
>    i take exception to that!  i am neither a butch
> female or a fratboy
> type!  (although from a broad stereotypical view,
> the former is much less
> offensive...)
>
>    :)
>
>    darius
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"karen, the big bad bitch of japan" <prochoicer@gurlmail.com> wrote:
hey y'all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<even though i had preordered it, i had to buy it!>
   <i decided to buy a new cd player (it is a light shade of indigo!!!) so
that i didn't have to wait to hear the cd.>
<so yeah, you knowyou're obsessed with ig when...you buy a new cd player
cause you can't wait to hear the cd>
< so then we went outside to get it the batteries in and stuff like that.  but
i decided that i hated the head phones that it came with.  so what does karen
do?  buys a new pair of headphones, of course.>

lol.  i def. would have done the same thing!
i have gone so far as to buy 3 or 4 copies of mags. that ig are in just to be
sure that i can put the pics. in my ig scrapbook without losing any of the
article that's on the back.....
(yes, i said ig scrapbook.  i am a freak!

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o.k.  this sucks.  my ig lovin friend cannot make it to the concert this
weekend with me.  i could take my ig lovin assistant, however stupid
corporate protocol wouldn't make that prudent.  everyone else i know would
go but don't have the slightest idea of who they are (i'm not the converting
type).   this is (clearly) last minute notice, but if anyone would like to
go with me, i have an extra ticket.

parker

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oh, apologies.  october 2.  this saturday.

parker

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check out the septemeber issue of z magazine.  there is a good article
about women's music written by jennifer baumgardner.  for those who don't
know, ms. baumgardner is an excellent feminist journalist who was an
associate editor of ms. and now does freelance work.  i'm never
disappointed in her writing.  anyway, there is a paragraph about daemon and
amy is interviewed, albeit briefly.  no pictures.
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i am one of the lucky compilation-tape recipients
(compliments of jill!) who has gotten the chance to
hear this kick-ass girl and can wholeheartedly say
that this chicka is so going places!  her voice is so
pure, and she make her gee-tar sound like a whole
rhythm section and goregeous accompaniment all at the
same.... run, don't walk, to your first opportunity to
hear this girl!

thanks again jill!
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okay, i need to say that i was offended by the person
who said that he cant stand people who "force
themselves to like something"
i am not forcing myself i just wanted to give cons
another chance before i decided i totally wasted my
money. and now after listening to it again i kinda
like it.  cold beer is an interesting song..i live in
blue collar hell(wisconsin) and i must say that i dont
think emily is glorifing (sp?) this kindof life. i
think it is a sad song. made me cry.

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i know i can't be the only one to notice this...
  does anyone else love the banter between songs?  i
love it - the girls must be making up for the lack of
at their earlier concerts!  reminds me of so.
  long live cons!! lol
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in a message dated 9/29/99 5:57:25 pm eastern daylight time, mariedemi@cs.com
writes:

<<     solution: i think we should send them a muse. >>

okay... dood...
what good will that do?  muses inspire artists to be creative, to escape from
a rut.  even if it would have been/was a damn good rut...
man, the whole point is, they got fnarkin' creative.  whether or not the
album appeals to you (or anyone), you've got admit, they certainly tapped
some untouched spring of creativity.
*vent vent vent*
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hey all,

sorry to divert from our lively cons debates and everything with my own sad
life :), but i just got an email from my ex-girlfriend!  i haven't heard a
word from her since march, and i've missed her terribly. i think about her
all the time and i can't help feeling like we're supposed to be together.
date: fri, 1 oct 1999 18:32:00 +0000
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to: underdog@earthlink.net

our timing just sucks (when i want to be with her, she's with someone else
and vice versa), and i guess i just need some warm fuzzies before i talk to
her on saturday. i'm so nervous i could chew through the side of a barn.

anyway, sorry to bother y'all... back to your regularly scheduled
programming...

shannon

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i haven't weighed in yet with my review.  i may sometime.  in the meantime,
here are some assorted thoughts:

1. i don't think cold beer and remote control is exactly an indictment of
american culture.  i think it's one half that...but i think em has probably
come home many a time, grabbed a beer and sat in front of the tv.  and there
ain't a thing wrong with that.  i kinda want to do it now.  so i sense some
scolding on emily's part from this song, but it's kind of with a wink.

2. i think the percussion on soon (be/to) <to/be) nothing sounds like a
casio keyboard.  but i like the song anyway.

3. trouble sounds like rem, which is a good thing, and the idea of having a
mandolin plinking away in the background of a big ol' rock song is a
tremendous stroke of coolness.

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>from:    karen murphy <murphyslaw77@netscape.net>
>subject: re: [speechless.  incoherent]
>
>  "why can't you all be supportive that the girls want to do something
>different?  why?"  i wonder this myself....
>
>i love the variety of music, the horns, the drums,  the energy, everything.

well, that's great, but please respect the opinions of those who may not
like the new stuff as much as you do!  it does not necessarily follow that
one doesn't like the new material just because it's not like the old.  i
know i can always count on ig to try new and different things, it's one of
the reasons i love their music.  but i will not necessarily enjoy each
direction more than the last, though i may appreciate it on a purely
artistic level.  to that extent, i will support their growth in any
direction they take it, but i will not withhold negative opinions when i
have them, and i wouldn't ask anyone else to either.

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 21:03:29 +0000
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hmmm... so you're saying there are legions of fine
butchies among their fans? god, now i really can't wait
to see them again.

kc
(who seriously has to start paying closer attention...)


>me either, i am a femme female...who likes brunette
>butches...do i still count as a fan????
>
>p.s. i'm a single femme too by the way...:o)
>
>--- hicktruckdriver <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
>wrote:
>> on thu, 30 sep 1999, stephanie strassel wrote:
>>
>> > their legions of butch females and fratboy types
>> > notwithstanding.
>> >
>> --kim newman
>>
>>    i take exception to that!  i am neither a butch
>> female or a fratboy
>> type!  (although from a broad stereotypical view,
>> the former is much less
>> offensive...)
>>
>>    :)
>>
>>    darius
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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 14:41:20 -0700
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hey everyone

so, this morning i woke up with this in my mind "and
we are together, finally..."  i was really surprised
cause up until today i was like, well, it's a kinda
cute song.  i wasn't all that into it.  but since i
had it in my head i listened to it several times on
the way to work and by the time i got here i was like,
geez, i love this song!  i guess it's just fun and
feel-good and all of that.  and i now even like the
"yeah yeah yeah"s.  and i really like the line "in any
old february hot under the collar."  so sue me, i like
the images it conjures up!

sister is definitely my favorite.  it's been on my
mind a lot since hearing it at lilith over the summer.
wow is all that can be said about hearing it live.
as for what emily says in the background, i think the
part after the lines with woman and baby at my breast,
i think she says "but i am just a .... with an echo in
my..."  of course, i want to say just a girl with an
echo in my voice but that is not what it sounds like
to me.  any ideas?

oh, i just remembered that i have a question, and
please keep in mind that i really know nothing about
guitars or playing the guitar or anything: is there a
name for the sound that happens when the guitarist is
changing chords (or something)?  it's kind of like a
squeek, but a nice squeek (i think).  does anyone know
what i'm talking about?  you can hear it well during
acoustic stuff.  the other night i was listening to
me'shell ndegeocello's cd and noticed it a lot.  the
songs on her new album are very sort of quiet.  and i
think last night i was hearing it during philosophy of
loss.  maybe there isn't a "proper" name for the
sound, but some kind of guitar-speak slang for it?  i
think i like that sound.  it is just, well, kinda
cool.

okay, thanks for listening to all my randomness.  and
here's my one line review of this album: i really love
it!

lisa


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on thu, 30 sep 1999, kristen curry wrote:

> hmmm... so you're saying there are legions of fine
> butchies among their fans?

   legions sounds so organized.  maybe at assigned seating shows.  i'd
have to say "hordes" would be more appropriate.

> (who seriously has to start paying closer attention...)

   (thinks about paying attention...comes up with random jokes about
watching...decides it's much safer to leave well enough alone...mumbles
muffled curses about toaster ovens...)

   darius

"he's a charming man, as well as a holy man.  i told him he was also a
great showman, whereupon he took my 'fly' shades and put them on - the
first funky pontiff!"
   - bono

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in a message dated 9/29/99 6:01:23 pm eastern daylight time, efbean@erols.com
writes:

<< i can think of many artists who don't, to my knowledge, fall into the
tortured category.  so i would guess that one needn't be mentally ill to be a
productive and wonderful artist of any kind.  it's sounds like it's a gross
generalization to say that all
artists must be somehow tortured to be creatively inspired. >>

that's very true.
at the same time, tennessee williams went into therepy and never wrote
anything worth mentioning again.
janis joplin is one of the greatest blues singers ever.
my great grandchildren will read hemingway, woolf and joyce.
stravinsky's _rite of spring_ is among the few recent great symphonies.
i can't think of a non-tortured artist as famous or as highly regarded as any
of the above.  honestly, i'd be interested in suggestions.
to be a great artist, one needs the ability to deeply feel the simplest of
emotions, and to understand the world around us to a much deeper extent than
the average person...
  the other night i was at the john singer sargent exhibit at the mfa here in
boston... man... anyone with talent can paint a portrait.  but it requires an
*artist* to paint portraits that capture the person.  it was obvious he
didn't just see and recreate a body and clothes and objects, but that he saw
into those things and brought them to life.  and if the ability to do that
and communicate that in a way that moves people  -- through paint, words,
music or anything else -- is not the definition of tortured, then i'd like to
know what is.
~ elizabeth

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hee...

>and. would the eight of you that i made those compilation tapes for
>please step forward and tell the list what you think?  (you owe me that
>much, no?)

yeah, she's kinda cute, in an ani-type way...

(which reminds me of a song... 'jacky' i believe...)

oh, the muuuusic :o)

nice... very cool. we like, abi and i. (and although abi is an inanimate-ish
object, her opinions count in these matters...)

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song o' the week "the late great johnny ace" - paul simon

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i have another one for ya...

'soon to be nothing' has shades of 'language or the kiss'. similar chord =
progressions, background percussion and vocals...

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abi's page!!! http://www.netreach.net/~andineil/abi/abi.html
this week, neil 'as been mostly been listening to:
oh, who cares...?

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here is my hate mail to the philly weekly on that article.  though you all
might like to read it:

"it's still clearer than ever who writes what. saliers is keen on the banjo
and mandolin; ray is all about pounding electric guitars."
what album was ms. newman listening to???  i have all the indigo girl's
albums and amy ray plays mandolin and it is her songs that have the
instrument in them.  nothing against the artistry of both ladies, but amy is
more than just 'pounding electric guitars.  granted this is a major
influence in all her writing, she does posses a softer style of music.
while both women write separately and come together to form albums their
musical style is far above a "bastard cross between bruce springsteen and
jewel". this album is far from being just entertaining. if ms. newman
bothered to read/listen to any of the lyrics she would have realized that
there is a serous depth to the songs and an interesting experimentation of
musical genres.  this album is most definitely inventive.

nancy lambert


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progress!  hurrah!
~ elizabeth

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>from:    sheryl jones <sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu>
>subject: sigc: z magazine
>
>check out the septemeber issue of z magazine.  there is a good article
>about women's music written by jennifer baumgardner.  for those who don't
>know, ms. baumgardner is an excellent feminist journalist who was an
>associate editor of ms. and now does freelance work.  i'm never
>disappointed in her writing.  anyway, there is a paragraph about daemon and
>amy is interviewed, albeit briefly.  no pictures.

and jennifer is also, of course, amy's first "thank you" in the cons liner
notes...  and both z <http://www.zmag.org> and ms.
<http://www.msmagazine.com> are listed among the resources.

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erin and rose are going to be at the iota in arlington, va this sunday. not
sure how much tix are, but i think they are either 5 or 8 (i saw it on erin's
page but can't remember)..so for those of you in the dc metro area, here's
your chance to see both of them at one time!

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i really like this song, even though they tucked away at the end of the cd
without it's own track...  was wondering if anyone has written down all the
words....there are a few bits that i still can't catch.  so, if you've got
'em, could you send them to the list (or if they've already been on the
list, just send them to me -- i just rejoined the list)

btw: hello again to anyone that remembers me.  brooke r. -- are you still
out there somewhere?

jack
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sort of reminds me of the time i made big obnoxious orange stickers that said
"buy ani difranco "not a pretty girl" and hear the real "32 flavors" and
proceeded to put it on every alana davis cd i could find in the
washington/baltimore metro area in protest of that lamer not giving ani
credit and for ruining the song!

i only got kicked out of one record store *smirk*

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ok i took all of your suggestions into mind and wrote a new letter... i
turned it in today. ahhhhhh! im so nervous... wish me luck=)

~casey

ms. jacobs
carmel high school administration


dear ms. jacobs:
    my name is casey foulks, which is not of importance to the topic at hand.
you have probably never heard of me before. i do theatre, and that is about
it. but that is not why i am writing this letter. this letter is about a
certain lack of knowledge in a place where there is supposed to be a plethora
of it. the students cannot learn this knowledge themselves, that is not
possible. the people who lack this knowledge do it by no fault of their own.
this knowledge i am referring to is known as gay rights, and gay awareness.
    i myself am confused about my sexuality at this point in time, which is
true of many teenagers at this school.  i have a belief that no one can
really know who he or she truly is until they are older. the way that i feel
right now could best be described as bisexual. this is a huge part of my
life, it affects me everyday. not only because of my feelings, it is because
of a reason many people do not even realize. there is a very negative
attitude in carmel high school towards homosexuality. everyday i walk down
the halls and hear kids calling other kids names such as faggot, gay, homo,
lesbo, dyke, and many others i get called these names in one of my own
classes. when i hear these words my heart breaks. these terms are offensive
and disturbing to hear. true, nothing so outrageous has happened that it has
drawn the attention of the school. though in most peoples eyes no major hate
crimes have been committed, but name calling is considered a hate crime, even
if it is not noticed by everyone.  but isn't this what we are supposed to
prevent? last year an offensive statement was shouted out at our school's
musical teaser to one of our actors who was "out of the closet," to my
knowledge nothing was done to discipline this person.
    in our pathways, there is a statement called the "diversity statement."
it says "the carmel clay school community is dedicated to fostering an
environment which promotes education and well being regardless of age,
appearance, gender, nationality, race religion, sexual orientation, and
socioeconomic status... respect for human diversity will be encouraged,
followed, and enforced by the carmel-clay schools."
    in theory, this statement is great. nothing, to the best of my knowledge,
has been done to uphold this statement. to get to the point, i am not trying
to tell you (as the administration) that you are not doing your job. i am
just telling you that you
are in the position to make a difference.
    i would like to help you with this. now don't get me mistaken, i am not
doing this only for myself. i am a senior this year; i will graduate at the
end of the year and be able to join an organization in college. we need to
work together to make sure
that the many students who come through this school in the future do not have
to put up with ridicule.  they should have somewhere to turn for help. there
are many options. indiana has a wonderful program. iyg, indianapolis youth
group, is formed to help indiana's gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgendered
youth. but many kids here in carmel do not have the means to get downtown, or
do not know how to get to iyg. we need an organization at this school for
these kids who have no place else to turn. we need to do something before
there is an extreme need to.
    there are many choices that we can make. clubs, organizations, awareness
days, etc. i would suggest maybe a club similar to iyg. glbt (gay, lesbian,
bisexual, transgendered) organizations, gsa (gay-straight alliance) would
make the difference that we are trying to accomplish. we could also have a
"gay rights awareness day" and bring in speakers and organizations such as
iyg.
    i do not know what your views are. i do not know how you feel about the
situation this school is in. the majority of students at this school are
demanding a change. it would be difficult to send around a petition; no on
would sign it because they would be afraid. we need to get rid of this fear
by informing the student body. the club we would create would be totally
anonymous, and would meet at an undisclosed location. we need to make a
change before something happens that would require it. thank you very much
and please get back to me. my e-mail address is
lindystar2@aol.com.

sincerely,

cassandra foulks

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 17:42:58 -0600
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1 what is emily saying in the background during 'sister?'
2 who speaks the spoken word part in 'go?'

>ms. baumgardner is an excellent feminist journalist who was an
>associate editor of ms. and now does freelance work.
>and jennifer is also, of course, amy's first "thank you" in the cons liner
notes...
3 this is the jennifer that amy worte about in that journal entry, her
girlfriend, right?

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 18:16:16 edt
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bank opens targeting gay market

.c the associated press

pensacola, fla. (ap) - the first bank to target a national homosexual market has opened its doors in pensacola and will begin doing business oct. 11 on the internet.

g&l bank - the initials stand for gay and lesbian - is among a small number of internet-focused banks and the first to obtain a thrift charter for internet lending, founder steven dunlap said wednesday. its sole walk-in office began operating last week.

''homophobia runs rampant in the banking industry,'' said g. kay griffin, the bank's chairwoman, president and chief executive officer. ''many banks think a couple needs to have a marriage certificate to show that they are creditworthy.''

the internet operations will be open around the clock, seven days a week.

bank investors david richbourg and norman ricks, both retired businessmen, were the first same-sex couple to open a joint account.

''it was the first time we were able to go into a bank as a couple, and be treated with the same respect that other couples have been treated in the past,'' richbourg said.

he and ricks have been together for 26 years.

''every time we bought property together or applied for a loan, it was always candy-coated that we were business partners, and in some areas, it was frowned upon that we were borrowing together,'' richbourg said.

the bank is capitalized at about $19 million with 70 stockholders.

demographic surveys suggest about 21 million homosexuals live in the united states with $800 billion in spending power. about 9.2 million gays and lesbians regularly use the internet.

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 19:38:31 edt
reply-to:     jilly c <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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>i told her that i thought she was the reincarnated soul of hildegard von
>bingam, and she kind of looked at me funny

so shana,
i know you want to tell us who hildie is.
cause i have not a clue.

thanks for the review.  woooo shana.

jill

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 19:38:44 edt
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in a message dated 9/30/99 2:42:10 pm est, jillyc@hotmail.com writes:

<< and. would the eight of you that i made those compilation tapes for
please step forward and tell the list what you think?  (you owe me that
much, no?)
  >>

she's right. you should listen to jill, she knows what she's talkin' 'bout.
i'm not the best at plugging (as i already told jill), but erin is really
good, and everyone should give her (and everyone else on that tape) a listen.
damnit.

pax, celeste:)

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 19:37:07 -0400
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hi folks,

it's great to see a good number of listees (new and old) participating
in the new album discussion!

i want to thank everyone for keeping things mostly ig-related, but there
are a couple of things i'd like to mention.

please make sure that posts sent to the list are in plain text.

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and because you've come to expect it...please remember to keep the nigc
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thanks for taking time to read this.


as always if you have any questions or comments, feel free to email me.

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 19:47:16 edt
reply-to:     jilly c <jillyc@hotmail.com>
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>...emily being affected by her tragedy.
>...tell me what happened?...
>...something to do with carrie saliers...

this is what i was talking about when i said
these women have no private lives anymore.

so i think that anybody who publicly, or even privately airs this--
somebody else's business--
should have to tell all 800something of us
about an extremely painful, potentially destructive event
from their *own* lives.
(fair's only fair, no?  quid pro quo?)
and then see how they value their personal privacy.

*j

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 16:49:58 -0700
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hey jen, thanks for all your hard work!!!!

melissa

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> hi folks,
>
> it's great to see a good number of listees (new and old) participating
> in the new album discussion!
>
> i want to thank everyone for keeping things mostly ig-related, but there
> are a couple of things i'd like to mention.
>
> please make sure that posts sent to the list are in plain text.
>
> please do not send duplicate messages to the list.  there is sometimes
> as much as an 8 hour delay in posting...so please be patient.
>
> you must be subscribed to the list to post messages on the list.  there
> has been a growing number of non-listees trying to post.
>
> please read your email before you post it.  if it is directed at another
> listee, then please send it to them privately.  the list is not the
> place to carry on private conversations.
>
> and because you've come to expect it...please remember to keep the nigc
> content down.  <g>  we have a substantial amount of posting going on
> right now in relation to cons and if want to keep everyone subscribed,
> let's not scare away listees with too much email.
>
> lastly, there have been a few requests for the following listserv
> commands:
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>
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>
> thanks for taking time to read this.
>
>
> as always if you have any questions or comments, feel free to email me.
>
> jen lucero
> ig list co-owner
>
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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 19:48:56 -0400
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i jotted them down last night to post on a board - i think i have them all
right...but if someone thinks something is wrong, feel free to correct me
:)

--audra

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song:     philosophy of loss (hidden track)
artists:  indigo girls
album:    come on now social
writer:   emily saliers

welcome to why the church has died
and the heart of the exile, and the kingdom of fate
who owns the land and keeps the command
and marries itself to the state

modern scribes write on jesus christ
everyone is free
and the doors open wide to all straight men and women
but they are not open to me

who is teaching kids to be soldiers
to be marked by a plain white cross?
and we kill just a little to save a lot more
the philosophy of loss

there are a few who would be true out of love
and love is hard
and don't think that our hands haven't shoveled the dirt
over their central american graveyards

doctors and witchhunters stripped you bare
left you nothing for your earthly sins
yeah but who made the noise?
just a bunch of boys - and the one with the most toys wins

and who is teaching kids to be gamblers?
life is a coin toss
and of course what you give up is what you gave
the philosophy of loss

whatever has happened to anyone else could happen to you and to me
and the end of my youth was the possible truth
and it all happens randomly

so who is teaching kids to be leaders?
and the way that it is is meant to be
the philosophy of loss


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"you said 'i love you.'  why is it that the most unoriginal thing we can
say to one another is still the thing we long to hear?"
--jeanette winterson, "written on the body" (p.9)

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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 19:53:11 edt
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heyyy baigls--  check these chicas out.
(anybody wanna boot it for me?)


>!!!!!!!!!tonight!!!!!!!!!!!!
>      9/30/99
>
>meghan toohey  w/ the band
>and special guest jess klein
>
>9pm no cover
>21+
>
>toad (right next to christophers)
>in porter sq.1912 mass ave. (617)4950


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date:         thu, 30 sep 1999 16:52:27 -0700
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hey, how about this (cause there are newbies who might not be aware of the
history regarding their personal lives)....

if there is something thrown onto the list that seems a bit personal in
nature, just email the person privately explaining the wishes to keep
personal lives, personal.

let's respect everyones' sensitivities....

fm the czarina of sensitive.... melissa

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> >...emily being affected by her tragedy.
> >...tell me what happened?...
> >...something to do with carrie saliers...
>
> this is what i was talking about when i said
> these women have no private lives anymore.
>
> so i think that anybody who publicly, or even privately airs this--
> somebody else's business--
> should have to tell all 800something of us
> about an extremely painful, potentially destructive event
> from their *own* lives.
> (fair's only fair, no?  quid pro quo?)
> and then see how they value their personal privacy.
>
> *j
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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