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date:         sat, 16 oct 1999 19:32:28 -0500
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date: sat, 16 oct 1999 19:30:14 -0500 (cdt)
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the girls are coming to minnneapolis dec. 4th,
(yay!)  they're coming to northrop(booo!) that
place may pack the people, but it's very echoey,
and har to hear the words because it was built more for looks.  i wish
they'd come to like the new ordway, or the fitzgerald (formerly known as
the world theater.  a prairie home companion is done there. :-)

any twin citians in minnesota feel that way?
anyhow....i am glad they are coming, nd will be there anyway. :-)

peace,

barb


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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 18:29:01 -0600
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>kristen curry <kz123@att.net> wrote:

>"the language or the kiss". the 1200 curfews version is
>unreal when amy comes in with that line. could tear your
>heart out.

as it did mine today...that particular version is especially powerful, amy
starts that line soulfully, almost pleading..."oh mercy what i won't give..."and
the moment when emily's voice meets hers and they blend, well, it sucked the
breath right out of me today and left me with an even greater appreciation of
their gift to us.

glad to read that so many of you "get it" :)
val

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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 17:34:41 pdt
reply-to:     bancu rugbygrrl <ravishingruggrbc@hotmail.com>
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hmmmm...i can understand both sides of this little discourse...it was
supposed to be a simple question for a poll...but unfortunately, some of us
are not that cut and dried in our personas...perhaps the answer to this
little delemma should have been 1) not to alienate the poller by making her
feel like a little shit for not being up on her transgender issues and 2)
not alienate the pollees by posting stupid het "answers" like what i just
read in all its offensive glory, i.e....well if webster said it, it must be
precisely that way...(eye roll)...screw diversity...
yes, originally  the question was an innocent "m or f" and perhaps the whole
gender identity lecture came across as a tad too much info although i doubt
it was meant to be "..i'm gonna crawl up your ass about this cuz you're just
so wrong!wrong!wrong!"...be that as it may, what we intend and what is
perceived can be miles apart and our intentions matter not if the message
becomes lost in the translation...what is perceived is what matters most
because that is what is carried forward in that persons mind-negative or
positive...
...so instead of pigeon-holing those of us with broader gender definitions
than most and quoting webster as a means of shutting down the discussion how
about if we simply list whatever we want and the poller can do with what she
likes...m/f/other...frankly, i like hearing about each personal definition
of other...

rugbygrrl

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"remember,great love and great achievements involve great risk"
"rugby: elegant violence"
"hey boys...<ferociousgrin>...wanna play?"-xena(ttb)
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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 17:47:17 -0700
reply-to:     jon griffin <jackdavinci@yahoo.com>
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for those of us ignorant folks.. is there a web page
or seomthing with the whole faye tucker story?


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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 20:43:27 -0400
reply-to:     bonnie lacey <blacey@aye.net>
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<<though it says "and jesus cries" >>

hey all, i'm sure this has been resolved by now, and the official lyric is:

modern scribes write "in jesus christ, everyone is free"
and the doors open wide....

glad to be back,

bonnie

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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 20:46:09 -0400
reply-to:     bonnie lacey <blacey@aye.net>
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hey all, just commenting that i've always thought the ig lyrics are so
complex that you really have to take them in line by line.  they
obviously craft their lyrics for maximum impact,and sometimes it just
hits you.  like the cicada shell part of soon to be nothing.

b

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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 20:51:24 -0400
reply-to:     armydillo@mindspring.com
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ok here's a solution:  were you born with xx chromosomes or xy chromosomes?
no gender, no sex, and aliens from outerspace just list other.

;)

nan

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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 22:48:40 +0000
reply-to:     kz123@att.net
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from:         kristen curry <kz123@att.net>
subject:      re: enough gay films already

sorry this thread is going away. it was fun and one of
the liveliest exchanges i've seen on the list. it also
seemed to include a broad range of folks. some of them
straight even.

guess it's back to who's muttering what in which songs.

kc
> in a message dated 10/21/99 2:56:51 am, someone wrote:
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> <<<<and in response to moving this to email, i am thoroughly enjoying this
>  thread, not to mention adding some movies to my list of things to see.>>>>
>
> it has been our policy that when the list starts getting requests to take it
> private, that's what we do (not to mention the 48 hour nigc rule).  there are
> a great many lurkers here who don't necessarily enjoy all the nigc.  another
> list was created in response to complaints about nigc... you can take this
> discussion there if that's what you want.  tigger?  where are you?  share
> that info please.
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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 21:01:18 -0400
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what ruby said.

bon

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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 21:05:26 edt
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oh, how i so agree with you about the wood song.  of course, watershed,
"standing at the fork in the road" ~ i was one who would stand there and
agonize, til the agony was my heaviest load....not to paraphrase and
plagiarize, but hey, i literally experienced what emily wrote about in my own
life...that song is quite wonderful.  i want it played at my funeral, in
celebration of the decisions i made in this life.

i have learned to chill, relax, "let it go," (past worries, future worries,
present experience) over the course of the years, and the indigo girls' music
was the greatest gift i had during five years of therapy.  not to mention
great kissin' music...

peace now,

vicki

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 01:20:25 gmt
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indigo girls join lilith fair before tour
by fz kitt
online: sep 27, 1999

boulder, colo. - the indigo girls joined monica, the dixie chicks, sheryl
crow and sarah mclachlan in denver recently for the colorado lilith fair
shows, but don't expect the dynamic duo to slow down. the girls, comprised
of amy ray and emily saliers, plan to be on the road entertaining throughout
the coming year.

the indigo girls have a new album, which just hit stores, plan to kick off a
"full force" tour on their own after lilith, then may head over to australia
before embarking on a suffragette sessions club tour and a second honor the
earth tour. they plan to continue with their political activism and personal
projects, as well.

as a result of last year's lilith fair, the indigo girls have incorporated a
whole new band and producer on this new record, due out the third week of
september and titled "come on now social." john reynolds, drummer and
producer for sinead o'connor, came on board for the new cd and brought along
the members of his -- and o'connor's -- band, ghost land. both girls were
quick to credit reynolds with the interesting additions on "come on now
social."

"he brings a whole different life to the songs," saliers said. "they're very
focused around the rhythm sections, with drum loops and a lot of driving
force."

"gone again," one of ray's new songs, has an appalachian vibe, saliers said.
ray plays mandolin and saliers picked up the banjo on this record. saliers
described another of ray's cuts, "faye tucker," as having a celtic drumbeat
and a jig played on the cello and accordion together. the end of "tucker"
features an arabic singer wailing away, she said.

saliers said that horns were brought in on one of her songs, another thing
the girls hadn't done before.

"there's a lot of interesting flavors going on," ray added. there's also a
variety of special guests. "joan osbourne's on this record. sheryl crow
sings on it. me'shell ndegeocello plays some bass on it. garth hudson from
the band plays organ, rick danko from the band plays some bass, and the rest
of the players are from sinead's camp," ray said. hailing from london
(though he's irish), reynolds gave the new record a world beat feeling, but
ray said it's not that different from previous indigo girl projects.

for fans eager to hear a sample of the new record, one cut was recorded live
for the "no boundaries" cd, a compilation epic records put out to benefit
kosovar refugees that features pearl jam, rage against the machine, korn,
sarah mclachlan and a host of other artists. "go" is a hard-thumping rock
song, which saliers described as "more complex in the production, more
studio-constructed" on the "come on now social" studio version.

"it runs the gamut as far as style goes," ray said of the new cd. a couple
of songs are appalachian-sounding, a couple are beautiful ballads, and
there's a couple of songs that have a punk vibe, "fast and loud," according
to ray. and there's a rock ballad.

music bridges over troubled waters

before going into the studio for the new album, the indigo girls joined
forces with a host of musicians from the united states, to travel to cuba in
order to participate in a musical and cultural exchange with cuban
musicians. the u.s. delegation, which included bonnie raitt, me'shell
ndegeocello, peter buck from rem, woody harrelson, jimmy buffet and others,
were matched up with cuban artists to workshop, write songs and collaborate
on compositions, which culminated in a concert at the karl marx theatre in
havana.
the historic trip, known as music bridges over troubled waters, was very
moving for saliers and ray.

"cuba has a mystique about it that's hard to articulate," saliers said.
"they didn't have all the luxury trappings of our culture, you know, no
billboards or choice of sodas. there's a lot of poverty so all the character
of the people goes into their art, their expression. the musicians are just
mind-blowingly talented and full of life.

"money is not an issue in the relationship to music down there," saliers
said. "so it was refreshing to be with people who just play for the love of
music. it's the lifeblood of their culture.

"it's also really wild because the capitalist world is just sort of frozen
in time from when fidel (castro) took power. you have the old american cars
from the 1950s that are just parked or used as taxis. it was really a
meeting of two ideologies," saliers said.

ray said she started crying when she met cuban president fidel castro. "he's
just got this charisma about him that's impossible to describe," ray said.
"your mind just forgets the negative things. i agree with fidel as an ideal,
in the romanticized picture of him and the mythos of socialism. i mean, i
love that. it's right down my alley.

"but war is war, and violence is violence," ray said. "and he's been
involved with some things that i don't have an appreciation for. but i'm not
in his shoes, and i don't know what it's like to live in cuba. i don't know
what it's like to have everyone knocking on your door trying to get you to
become capitalist. he's in a really hard position and i can appreciate all
the different sides of it.

"but meeting him is monumental to me. i've never felt that way about meeting
anybody," ray said.

ray said that u.s. citizens should know that despite its poverty, cuba is
very rich culturally and has a lot to offer.

"and they've been really hurt by the u.s. policy, the economic sanctions and
the boycott. i mean, it's only 90 miles from florida. that's ridiculous. "

current projects

the indigo girls have never been shy about their political beliefs and are
currently working on a boycott of the phillip morris company, best known for
its marlboro cigarettes, as well as virginia slims and others. ray said that
tobacco companies have lost so many of their advertising avenues that
they've started doing things like giving money to local charities to improve
their community profiles. "it's kind of like you're donating money to an
aids organization, or a gay-oriented organization even, and at the same time
you're giving money to the campaigns of right-wing political candidates who
are gutting welfare and aids research and medicare.

"virginia slims has been sponsoring these dueling divas rock-off contests
with women's bands and the winners get some money and some local charities
get some money," ray said. "and so basically, we're trying to say to these
bands, 'don't do these contests, they're buying you.' we're trying to
influence organizations to reapproach who they take money from. because it's
dirty money."

so the indigo girls have made some connections and written up some fact
sheets and are talking to the winners of these contests and trying to get
them not to take the money. in many instances, the indigo girls are coughing
up the prize moneys to pay the bands and organizations instead. the artists
who win also have to sign contracts that prevent them from ever saying
anything bad about tobacco, ray said. the indigo plan is to go to the cities
where these contests are happening and try to drum up support for a boycott.

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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 18:36:19 -0700
reply-to:     dawn manuel <venussage@yahoo.com>
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here is a very cliff notes version of the story.
probably not the best link, but informative, anyway.

http://www.straightway.org/karla/memorial.htm

--- jon griffin <jackdavinci@yahoo.com> wrote:
> for those of us ignorant folks.. is there a web page
> or seomthing with the whole faye tucker story?


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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 19:41:36 -0500
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hey all,

i just got proof positive evidence that the girls will be at the sf
tower records on market street in the castro.  the date is nov 7th at
noon.  they had a bunch of fliers there with the picture of a & e in the
cornfield.  so i think that's great news.  i can walk there!  mark your
calendars!

wendell

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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 18:46:47 -0700
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i've found that different songs help me in different
ways.  sometimes i'll be listening to a song, and
suddenly a line i've sung a million times jumps out at
me and just brings me home.  one thing that sticks in
my mind is "all the shiny little trinkets of temption"
that are "fools gold".  isn't it true?  that is a good
thing to remember!

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 11:51:12 +1000
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"the indigo girls have a new album, which just hit stores, plan to kick
off a "full force" tour on their own after lilith, then may head over to
australia before embarking on a suffragette sessions club tour and a
second honor the earth tour."  thanks for the article jen.

i'll smile for a week just because they "may" visit australia.  fingers,
toes and eyes are all crossed.  :-)

maddie

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date:         thu, 21 oct 1999 22:01:29 edt
reply-to:     vickistein@aol.com
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oh heavens, forgive me...

my  comment about sex was simply meant as a flippant statement about
semantics.   i apologize for being flippant.  unfortunately,  the english
language, complicated as it is,  gives us only so many words and meanings
with which to work.   new words and definitions are being added all of the
time, to describe and identify scientific and philosophical findings and
issues that are pertinent to society as we experience it.  conversely, many
words and modes of expression are no longer used because they become archaic.
  read chaucer or milton and you may struggle to find the "meaning," although
at the time they wrote canterbury  tales and paradise lost,   respectively,
they captured the pulse of society.   both great works, by the way.

i understand that personal identity issues are critical to every person's
self esteem,  and i empathize with those who feel unfairly addressed by being
stereotyped or "pinned into" a category with wherein they feel uncomfortable.


genetically, though, and from the standpoint of the  noun "sex", it is, by
and large, either xx or xy, female or male.    that is all i meant by the
webster's reference.  i have considered the fact that it is possible that
some people are xxy and others are xyx, but i don't know about that
biologically or scientifically, so i will not offer further comment.

i apologize for the fact that  my literal interpretation offended some of
you.     "words don't have meanings, people do."    we are what we
are...whatever we perceive ourselves to be.  if i offended anyone who is
transgender or is uncomfortable with identifying themselves in "m" or "f"
terms, i am sincerely sorry.  please be who you are!

vicki

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in a message dated 10/21/99 10:03:30 pm eastern daylight time,
vickistein@aol.com writes:

<< i understand that personal identity issues are critical to every person's
self esteem,  and i empathize with those who feel unfairly addressed by being
stereotyped or "pinned into" a category with wherein they feel uncomfortable.
  >>

i would just like to add one more thing and then, i will never speak of this
again.  i did this to please people...not to start this horrible
mudsling-thing that it has become.  in no way was anyone put in a category.
this was a poll...that means you give your own information.  no person was
forced to participate and no person was forced to give any certain answers.
i must say that i had very positive feelings while conducting this poll...so
many of you were so nice.  but i suddenly felt as if the walls were coming
down around me.  here i am in the safety of my own home and i feel like i am
being attacked.  i thought this was a safe place for fans of amy and emily to
talk to one another and to discuss things about them and ourselves.  i
thought we cared for one another as people and didn't have the need to "nit
pick" or make one another feel stupid which is what i felt when the orig.
comment was made.  i try to live and let live...i certainly would never pick
apart someones typing, word usage or spelling...that would make them feel
bad...and making people feel bad makes me feel bad.  so, i am very sorry for
my part in this and will never feel quite the same about posting my feelings
or anything else on the list again...

thank you for listening...and thank you to those participating.
the results will be posted  tom. eve.
take care and be kind,
erin sue

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it's a shame we can't even conduct a simple fucking poll on this list,
because people are all preoccupied with semantics and political correctness.
this is worse than congress!  i don't recall this bruhaha taking place two or
three years ago when that major survey was being conducted.  what has changed
since then?

we should be nice to people who offer to do nice things, like take surveys,
etc., not bitch and gripe at them 'cause they use terms that may pigeonhole a
handful of people.

peace, dammit!

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nancy lambert wrote:
>
> ok here's a solution:  were you born with xx chromosomes or xy chromosomes?
> no gender, no sex, and aliens from outerspace just list other.
>
> ;)

this is so very narrowminded, though... and then how do you deal with
people born ox, xxy, xyy, etc...? not to mention those born xx or xy who
are transgendered.  i say everyone should just put the sex/gender that
they prefer to be considered/percieved as, because if we stick with
exact definitions of technical terms there will always be someone left
feeling upset or left out.

just my $.02, please nobody take offense.

shannon


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my final words as well...

on thu, 21 oct 1999, joan morrison wrote:

> it's a shame we can't even conduct a simple fucking poll on this list,
> because people are all preoccupied with semantics and political correctness.
> this is worse than congress!  i don't recall this bruhaha taking place two or
> three years ago when that major survey was being conducted.  what has changed
> since then?
>

personally, i dont think that sticking up for myself (and probably
others) means i am being pre-occupied with political correctness.
it means i am interested in distinctions which were being very
flippantly disregarded.  for some of us, those distinctions matter.
if they dont to others, oh well.  if nobody bothers to speak up
and say that these things *are* important to some, then that only
serves to perpetuate invisibility and confusion around these issues.

> we should be nice to people who offer to do nice things, like take surveys,
> etc., not bitch and gripe at them 'cause they use terms that may pigeonhole a
> handful of people.
>

even a  handful of people deserve a voice.  isnt that a lot of what
ig's politics are about?

what's sad to me is that the attempt to clarify semantics has been taken
as flaming.  i dont know what others have written to erin privately, but
i have not flamed her, or anyone else.  i've simply tried to make my
own position clear. if anyone has anything they want to ask me
privately, i will be happy to continue the discussion.

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you know it seems we all have so much energy,  it's a shame we can't
find something
more constructive than to sit here trying to
figure out  who's right, and who's wrong.

it  just seems so pointless.

peace,

barb

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barb wrote:
> you know it seems we all have so much energy,  it's a shame we can't
> find something
> more constructive than to sit here trying to
> figure out  who's right, and who's wrong.

        i agree!!
deb

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on thu, 21 oct 1999, joan morrison wrote:

>it's a shame we can't even conduct a simple fucking poll on this > list,
>because people are all preoccupied with semantics and > political
>correctness.

one person's idea of overstated pc-ness is another person's very definition
of existence...don't ever take that lightly...doing so negates their
existence or at the very least makes them less of a person...st8 society is
negating enough...
granted...this should have been a very easy task for erin...i must have
missed all the flaming posts because i can't figure out why she would have
been humiliated in the first place...a discussion on gender identity didn't
seem that out of place here at least not to the extent it started out as...
i'm sorry that erin was so traumatized by this experience and hope that
whoever the culprits were that made her life so diffcult learn a little
restraint...however, i agree with amy in that we all become less visible
when we fail to stick up for ourselves...i've read her discussions on gender
at her websight and feel she is not the kind of person to run around
maliciously terrorizing ig list folks who are just trying to do something
fun and informative...
yeah, this was blown way out of purportion but how exactly did that
occur?...by someone simply raising hir hand and saying, "excuse me, but i
don't fit neatly into m or f..."...there's nothing pc about that...
what was bothersome to me about the webster remark( and yes, i know it was
flippant) was that it just enforces my day-to-day invisibility...it gets a
little wearying living in st8 society...*sigh*...and with that i'm going to
bed, ya'll...thermodynamics midterm in the morning...*bleh*...

rugbygrrl

personally, i dont think that sticking up for myself (and probably
others) means i am being pre-occupied with political correctness.
it means i am interested in distinctions which were being very
flippantly disregarded.  for some of us, those distinctions matter.
if they dont to others, oh well.  if nobody bothers to speak up
and say that these things *are* important to some, then that only
serves to perpetuate invisibility and confusion around these issues.

>we should be nice to people who offer to do nice things, like take surveys,
>etc., not bitch and gripe at them 'cause they use terms that may pigeonhole
>a
>handful of people.
>

even a  handful of people deserve a voice.  isnt that a lot of what
ig's politics are about?

what's sad to me is that the attempt to clarify semantics has been taken
as flaming.  i dont know what others have written to erin privately, but
i have not flamed her, or anyone else.  i've simply tried to make my
own position clear. if anyone has anything they want to ask me
privately, i will be happy to continue the discussion.


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barb wrote:
>you know it seems we all have so much energy,  it's a shame we can't
>find something
>more constructive than to sit here trying to
>figure out  who's right, and who's wrong.

        i agree!!
deb

...but that's not what's going on here!...*sigh*...there is no right and
wrong...there is simply information being given...clarification if you
will...who knew a little horizon building would be so damn dramatic?!

rugbygrrl

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"rugby: elegant violence"
"hey boys...<ferociousgrin>...wanna play?"-xena(ttb)
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ennnnnh wrong answer!! what is wrong for someone who does not fit into the
"two-sex dichotomy" so perpetuated by our society saying "ummm, i'm
neither"? regardless of the well-meaning attempts to get a handle on the
demographics of this group, i saw amy's explanation as a way to say yo!
there are those of us on this list who fit into neither category.

i felt the same way being pigeonholed as a dyke because there is so much
more to me than whom i choose to spend my life with. and to me, my status as
a dyke also has alot to do with my personal politics. now to throw a curve
ball, there are those who would not consider me a dyke because my wife is
transgender (just ask anyone who believes in the mwmf "womon-born-womon"
policy which will no doubt be my next rant after receiving the latest
edition of lesbian connection). my wife's family cannot accept her as a
woman yet consider us evil because we are in a gay relationship...well, i
never did understand fundamentalist thinking so go figure.

anyone who knows me knows i can't stand all this politically correct bs that
goes on in this world. they will also know that i'll speak up and support
the truth and in this case, it's that you just can't hope to define the list
on the basis of sex (i thought about answering "often") if you only include
two categories.

ryan
(who shared far more than she thought she ever would to strangers in the
hopes of enlightening a few people)

> -----original message-----
> from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> behalf of joan morrison
> sent: thursday, october 21, 1999 8:05 pm
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: re: age poll (final word)
>
>
> it's a shame we can't even conduct a simple fucking poll on this list,
> because people are all preoccupied with semantics and political
> correctness.
> this is worse than congress!  i don't recall this bruhaha taking
> place two or
> three years ago when that major survey was being conducted.  what
> has changed
> since then?
>
> we should be nice to people who offer to do nice things, like
> take surveys,
> etc., not bitch and gripe at them 'cause they use terms that may
> pigeonhole a
> handful of people.
>
> peace, dammit!
>
> ========
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>
> visit my home page:
> http://www.hometown.aol.com/joanm12345/index.html
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are you a boy...or a girl???it is a question...a physical question.
i would answer i am a female but in my relationship i am the more =
masculine one...how hard is it???
linda

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playing devil's advocate here:

what do those who are born intersexed say? (for those of you who don't know,
"intersexed" is a term used to describe those individuals born with both
sets of genitalia. the term "hermaphrodite" has often been used but
"intersexed seems to be the preferred term.)

ryan

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are you a boy...or a girl???it is a question...a physical question.
i would answer i am a female but in my relationship i am the more masculine
one...how hard is it???
linda

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ok so now we are nit picking...are you looking for confrontation...well =
i think that you are. you have your back up and will bite at anything. =
one day you will grow up and say "gee how pettie was i being" hope it is =
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i was simply playing devil's advocate and pointing out that your solution
still excludes a group of people. sorry if you are tying up so much of your
emotion into this one. i see the world as a much bigger place. i hope some
day you, too, will be able to open your eyes to all the diversity that
surrounds you. but then, that might be too overwhelming for you to handle.

ryan
(who never bites anyone but her lover and that is only during "special"
moments)

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you will grow up and say "gee how pettie was i being" hope it is soon!!!

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i'd like to start a new thread here...maybe y'all have done this in the past,
i don't know.  but i'd like to know if anyone would like to share some
memories of making out or kissing to the indigo girls.  i'm on the nanci
griffith mailing list, and this was a recent topic, and quite fun, i might
add.

of all of the music i've heard in my...ahem...many years, i most vividly
remember kissing and kissing and kissing to the indigo girls....10 years ago,
with my new boyfriend, who is now (and has been for five years) my
ex-boyfriend, but i remember the passion we found in the "indigo girls"
release.  every melody was a new tongue movement, each harmony controlled the
pace, the rhythm was a fresh lip switch, every song was a new desire.  "are
you on fire...?" moved us unbelievably.  and "someone's on the telephone,
desperate in her pain," with all of its angst and grit, was one of hundreds
of  "oh, god" experiences.  (i won't address the saliva play, it might offend
some of you.) and that continued through "nomads, indians, and saints" and
"rites of passage."  god, our mouths  danced for thousands of hours in all
date: sun, 21 nov 1999 20:05:04 +0000
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kinds of steps to the indigo girls...and then, of course, we broke up in
1994.  not that we didn't love each other, because we did, deeply and
passionately, but just because life took its course and he had things (deeply
rooted, and more serious than many people ever experience) to deal with that
were greater than the power of two.   i truly hope he's well...i just don't
know because we don't keep in touch, but he is still vivid in my mind, he
will always be embedded in my heart and soul.

we saw the indigo girls together at jack breslin stadium in 1993, we were in
the 8th row, center, amidst 8,000 screaming fans.  we both cried ~ it was,
and remains, the best concert i've ever experienced.   i am so lucky to be
able to see amy and emily at the wiltern in la on the 5th.  can't wait!

i think, maybe, it was so special because we both appreciated the lyrics so
much, combined with the music, coupled with us.

this is not meant to be a philosophical discourse.  i love the indigo girls
and i actively participate in addressing the social concerns they address.

but they do mean so much more than that to me, on a personal level.  i have
experienced my perception of the 10,000 wars, i have experienced inacceptance
for my liberal views, i have experienced love, and loss.

this is my tribute to ge.  godspeed,  to all, and may tantra be with you!

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this is a fun and much needed post-thank you! for some reason i just cannot
make out to the indigo girls, it's almost sacrilege to me. some of the best
tunes are "possession" by sarah mclachlan and k.d. lang's album
drag...awesome when you're in the moment.

peace and earth quakin, soul shakin' love makin'!

lja

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i'm on my way to bed, and after reading my post,  i will add that i have
never loved nor kissed another since with such passion.  after ge and i broke
up, i took a three year hiatus from the indigo girls just to shore my life to
sand, and i am telling you what....even when you get your piles in a line, it
all comes back!

"swamp ophelia" was my gardening tool.  peace now.

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oh my god, i am crying. and its really late/early whatever so excuse my
mindless rambling. anyway, i just saw this amazing movie called doing time on
maple drive. it had jim carey in it and some other famous people (im not very
good with names) anyway, the movie is basically about this obsesive
compulsive family, and they have 3 children. matt, tim, and karen. tim is an
alcoholic, karen is an underacheiver in her parents eyes, and matt. is trying
to be the good one. well a good part of the movie is about matt, and how he
is gay, and how he is coming out to his parents. well at the end there is
this really touching scene between him and his dad, and i watched it and just
started bawling, because that is how i always wanted it to be between me and
my mom.(needless to say it wasn't) so anyway, i time recorded it and my mom
watched it while it was recording, and she really liked it. so that just
meant alot to me, because we never talk about "that disscussion" that we had.
so i feel that that movie is symbolic to me now=) ok im going to stop now,
because im not making any sense. thanks for trying to read this if you did=)

casey

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 09:36:53 +0100
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i've been thinking about ozillene.  i just love the appalachian (nee
irish!) feel to this song.  its such a deceptively cheerful sounding song,
but the words and subject matter are so dark.  "the moon is almost full",
putting the dog down, and ozillene accepting her imminent demise - "she
don't let you cry", and then just changes the conversation by saying "what
a blessed sky".  great stuff entirely.  of course the same can be said for
faye tucker and gone again, they're both classic celtic songs too!

there are so many traditional irish songs in this vein.  your feet are
tapping away to the music, and even when you actually listen to the words
and realise that the song is about a coal mining disaster, or the loss of a
loved one, your feet still keep tapping happily away - its great.
actually, i think we irish are great, we have this strange slanted
perception of morbidity - we kind of snigger at it.  a great expression
here in ireland that's used instead of "cool" is "deadly".  strange really!

fare thee well, my bright stars.
marion.

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okay, i know the movie discussion is over, but i just wanted to say that i
got 2 girls in love because so many people on the list liked it, and it was
so great! i watched it with my two best friends and we were like, "awwww!"

so thanks. :)

kelly

(ps--high art and heavenly creatures are next; i love working in a video store!)

"it's too corny to cry."  amy ray; "joking."

"i missed ten million miles of road i should have seen."  emily saliers;
"love's recovery."

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i always say that the list would argue over if the sky was
blue...and if it is blue what color of blue it is...and should
we change it to be more accepting of all the shades of blue in
the spectrum...and by the time the list gets through with it,
the sky would be green...tee hee...people here just love the
challenge of a good debate...i think it is kewl to see the
diversity here and to have an idea of what the average ig fan
is...i was not offended...but then again i am a femme so i have
no issues with what my sex is...who knows...remember, open eyes
can lead to less stumbling...


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"the artists who win also have to sign contracts that prevent them from ever
saying
anything bad about tobacco, ray said."

i'm sorry to dig up a dead horse when it's long buried, but for anyone who
hasn't heard this before, this gets my goat to read it every time because
it's just plain not true.  i was in this contest last year, and it's not all
evil like miss ray says.  and her facts on this are just plain wrong.  you
never sign anything that says that.  what you sign says that if any press
approach you to comment on the contest, or tobacco, or anything having to do
with the contest, 'during the contest', you refer them to the promotional
group so that you don't misinform the press about stuff that you don't know
about, etc.  which is exactly like my company, being a large health insurer
with lots of controversy, when the press asks anyone anything, we refer them
to the right people with the info.  that's all it is.

sometimes ig pisses me off.  they get so tied up in trying to do 'the right
thing' or what they think that is, that they don't get their facts straight
first.

flame away.  i was in the contest and have copies of the contract, so i know
what the facts are.

-tara

ps - how can amy smoke and do all this stuff, doesn't she know that she's a
role model for lots of young women?  and yeah, i know she smokes american
spirits, but does the average college kid that sees her after a show or at a
daemon function know this?

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on fri, 22 oct 1999, madonna maynes wrote:

> i'll smile for a week just because they "may" visit australia.  fingers,
> toes and eyes are all crossed.  :-)
>
> maddie

you really should go see someone about that you know;)

annie

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picture if you will...a femme with a decent paycheck for once in
walmart shopping for a new push up bra...when suddnely i hear
the strains of peace tonight playing on the overhead music...oh
joy...well dancing in the bra and panty section of walmart can
often be frowned upon so i moved over into the womens clothing
section..and sang along with it...then...this morning i get
up...light my first smoke of the day...and turn on the morning
news...as they go into their first commercial break i hear
"raise your hand raise your hands high..." they played snippetss
from the whole album as they went into every commercial...i
about fell out of my seat...oh  well just had to share my latest
ig moment with you al...love you all


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i've always been partial to billy idol.  and ac-dc.  i don't know why, but
maybe it's just the 'driving' beat. :)

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american spirits are not exactly cancer free... the
whole 'natural cigarette' trend is very alarming as
there is nothing you can smoke that is not going to
damage your lungs...

--- "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com> wrote:
> ps - how can amy smoke and do all this stuff,
> doesn't she know that she's a
> role model for lots of young women?  and yeah, i
> know she smokes american
> spirits, but does the average college kid that sees
> her after a show or at a
> daemon function know this?
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american spirits are not exactly cancer free... the
whole 'natural cigarette' trend is very alarming as
there is nothing you can smoke that is not going to
damage your lungs...

--- "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com> wrote:
> ps - how can amy smoke and do all this stuff,
> doesn't she know that she's a
> role model for lots of young women?  and yeah, i
> know she smokes american
> spirits, but does the average college kid that sees
> her after a show or at a
> daemon function know this?
>

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i was being sarcastic!!!!!! for god's sake!!!!!!!  geez people get a grip
who cares????!!!!

argh!!!!!!!!

nan

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allllllllrighty!  i think i have this figured out.   if i have sent you my
address either for a trade or blank tape, stop reading this now, (this post
will just confuse you).

ok, everyone else...still there??
these very kind people have offered to help me tape my boot.  as soon as i
get their address, i will forward a copy of it to them.  next to their names
you will notice a month or two.  find the address with your birthday month
and contact that person for a copy of the amherst show.  it is up to my
helpers if they want to arrange a trade or just get blanks.

please let me know if there are any questions.  if you don't know where you
stand, email me and we'll figure it out.

tape tree volunteers:

dovesland@yahoo.com
(jan-feb)

hunterj1@aol.com
(march-april)

robsweeney@aol.com
(may-june)

mgsb@aol.com
(july-aug)

emf@twcny.rr.com
(sept-oct)

smackenz@scrippscol.edu
(nov)

ransom11@aol.com  (that's me)
(dec) and all of the people i've sent my address to.

ok!
if, i have messed this up somehow, someone let me know!

cheers to all, may you enjoy the boot as much as i have so far.


nancy

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<p><font face=3d"book antiqua">allllllllrighty!  i think i have =
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confuse you).</font></p>

<p><font face=3d"book antiqua">ok, everyone else...still there??</font>
<br><font face=3d"book antiqua">these very kind people have offered to =
help me tape my boot.  as soon as i get their address, i will =
forward a copy of it to them.  next to their names you will notice =
a month or two.  find the address with your birthday month and =
contact that person for a copy of the amherst show.  it is up to =
my helpers if they want to arrange a trade or just get =
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<p><font face=3d"book antiqua">please let me know if there are any =
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<p><font face=3d"book antiqua">tape tree volunteers:</font>
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<p><font face=3d"book antiqua">dovesland@yahoo.com</font>
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<p><font face=3d"book antiqua">hunterj1@aol.com</font>
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when i was involved with the first girl i fell in love with,the indigo girls' music was very influential.  i was just discovering them as well as the love i could have for a woman.  their older music will always remind me of times spent with her - "touch me fall" is very memorable in that.  "touch me, i'm so beautiful, rub your hand across my head just like this......"  very hot memory!  very sweet memory.  also, songs such as "blood and fire" - this song also extended past the make out sessions to the general relationship; also, "dead man's hill," "least complicated," "joking," "virginia woolf," and "you left it up to me."  not only are these songs intense make-out memories for this particular relationship, they also played a part in our fun times together when we were traveling, swimming on the lake, and just hanging out.

the first time i saw the ig perform live was at the first lilith fair.  it was held in nashville.  i went with my first love.  it was such a great experience and no indigo girls concert since then has even compared with that.  we had the cheap lawn seats, we were in love, and we were holding each other as we danced and swayed the the ig music.

i recently visited this amphitheater again for a concert  on ig's current tour.  it all came flooding back - the memories, the feelings.  ig will always be special to me because they held my hand as i was taking baby steps, then gigantic steps into realizing i was a lesbian.

amanda

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fumbling towards ecstasy is a great make out cd!

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sade, sade, sade!  that's all i can say!  believe me!

another great make-out cd is jewel's latest one.  my ex-g/f gave it to me for christmas this past year and it is like one big love soundtrack!  a lot of people may not like the cd to sit and listen to or to take with on road trips, but it's great in those tender moments!

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hi folks: i have an extra ticket for tomorrow's show in orlando (to get
table i had to buy two or four tickets and of course i only needed three).

if interested, write to me and let's see if we can work something out. i'm
just looking to get back the price of the ticket plus the $ that tm charged
me to use their wonderful service (the one that messed up the order _twice_).

deb

dreiser@smith-gardner.com
or
moondust@gate.net

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i don't know, i have a hard time listening to the girls and making out
and kissing.  maybe its because of never having been with someone who
can keep my mind off of amy's amazing voice.  maybe when i find the love
of my life that will change.
on the other hand my choices would be madonna's erotica or tori amos's
little earthquakes.  had lots of fun with both of those.
       lovin the girls,
              carrie

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one more question does anyone have a boot with sister live on
it? i would love to have one if anyone has it hint hint hint
please email me privately if you do...big kisses guys and
gals...


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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 15:26:19 +0100
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nancy lambert wrote:

> i was being sarcastic!!!!!! for god's sake!!!!!!!  geez people get a grip
> who cares????!!!!

ok!!!!!! right -  i think you should all know where this might be
heading..........

a couple of months ago i subscribed to the jewel list - it was a moderated
list, and i thought it might be interesting. a couple of weeks later, jewel
played a version of "jupiter" on the letterman show that was slightly
different from the album version. somebody criticised her for it. another
person did the same. then somebody criticised the critics, then somebody
criticised the critics of the critics...... (and so on.....)

a couple of days later, i realised we had a full scale flame war on our
hands. people were being personally hurt, and friendships were being damaged,
probably for a long time. the list gradually broke down into chaos : at that
point i unsubscribed.

the point is : i can see this list going the same way. for crying out loud,
just respect each other's opinions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

john.

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 15:30:04 +0100
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well, morning after making out : definitely "ice cream" by sarah mclachlan.
just watching your partner breathing, sleeping....... *g*

john.

"lane, tara e." wrote:

> i've always been partial to billy idol.  and ac-dc.  i don't know why, but
> maybe it's just the 'driving' beat. :)

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i could never imagine having ig be that for me. the two best albums i have
ever come across for "make out" music are roxy music's avalon and the cure's
disintegration.

just my .02

:)  dani

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... and broken legs!

my theatre, echo theatre, a small feminist company here in dallas, has an
opening tonight.  and as i am the director and in peril of throwing up from
sheer exhaustion and nervousness at any second, i thought i would appeal to
800 or so of my closest intimate strangers for some positive thoughts and
supportive words!

opening tonight is goblin market, a beautiful chamber musical based on the
poem by christina rossetti, with words and music written by polly pen and
peggy harmon.  the two actresses who play the sisters are beautiful,
talented, emotionally open, and just all-round exqusite.  our set design is
basically a musty old victorian nursery placed in front of an 8' x 20' foot
painting of a forest, based on the work of canadian painter emily carr.
wonderfully suggestive tree trunks that look like female bodies and a path
that leads deep into the woods reminiscent of female genitalia ala judy
chicago.  a wonderful opportunity for the audience to wonder, "do you suppose
the artist knows what that looks like!?"

anyway, we open tonight, i haven't thrown up yet, please wish us broken
legs!!!!!

pam in big d

and come see the show if you live here!  call 214-824-7169 for ticket info :-)

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 10:57:11 -0400
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my apologies to those who are tired of the movie thread, but i wanted to
recommend a japanese film called "black rain" which deals with the bombing
of hiroshima and its aftereffects.  i recently read in a wwii history text
that the main reason for the bombing of nagasaki was to test a different
type of bomb,  i still can't fathom the extent of the evil that men do.

another very moving film is "das boot ist voll" (the boat is full), a
german-language film about a group of refugees seeking shelter in
switzerland during the holocaust.

peace,
tim

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john and beccie are so right.  does anyone have a copy
of "the life cycle of mailing list?"  that is a great
piece to post every once in a while!

peace!

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mnoelm@aol.com wrote:

>
> anyway, we open tonight, i haven't thrown up yet, please wish us broken
> legs!!!!!

wishing you a puke-free night and a broken leg, although wishing someone
would hurt themselves sounds mean.  how about if i wish you a severe
limp?

only kidding - best of luck,

elaine

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i'm listening to scooter boys and watching our new library management
system crash a lot.  i came up with this silly little ditty.  please don't
cringe too much!

'puter boys and network engineers
they both seem to run the show here
here i sit knowin' just as much
but i get paid like a peon or some such

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"for emily, wherever i may find her"  (simon and garfunkel)
"jesse" or "stars"   (janis ian)
"dance with the tiger"  (rosanne cash)

"relax"  (frankie goes to hollywood)

oops!
tim

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>i've always been partial to billy idol.  and ac-dc.  i don't know why, but
>maybe it's just the 'driving' beat. :)
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>from the uw eau claire website:
<http://www.uwec.edu/admin/newsbureau/release/current/102099indigo_girls.html>


                         eau claire - the indigo girls will appear in
concert friday, dec. 3, at the
                     university of wisconsin-eau claire.
                         the show will begin at 7:30 p.m. in w.l. zorn
arena. an opening act will be
                     announced at a later date.
                         concert tickets go on sale to the public at 8:30
a.m. monday, nov. 1. a special
                     advance sale for uw-eau claire students only will take
place thursday-sunday, oct. 28-31.
                     early tickets will be sold only at the university
service center windows and purchasers must
                     present a valid uw-eau claire student id. no more than
12 tickets will be sold to each
                     uw-eau claire student.
                         released sept. 28, the indigo girls' "come on now
social" is the seventh epic studio
                     album by amy ray and emily saliers. their previous
recording, "shaming of the sun,"
                     entered the billboard top albums chart and hit number
seven in its debut week in may 1997.
                     the recording was certified gold within a month of its
release.
                         "indigo girls," released in 1989, was the duo's
national debut. featuring a guest vocal
                     by r.e.m.'s michael stipe ("kid fears"), the recording
gave them initial college radio
                     credibility, and the single "closer to fine" was a
hit. the album eventually broke the top 30
                     and earned the indigo girls a grammy award for best
folk recording. by the end of 1991,
                     the album received platinum status.
                         "nomads indians saints" (1990) and a live ep
titled "back on the bus, y'all" (1991)
                     were nominated for grammy awards and reached gold
status. "rites of passage" (1992)
                     went platinum and featured the indigo girls' strongest
songs to date. almost two years later,
                     "swamp ophelia" was released, entered the charts at
number nine and went gold by the end
                     of the year. a double live album, "1200 curfews," was
released in 1995.
                         reserved seating tickets are $26, plus a $1
service fee, at the university service
                     center in davies center. standard hours are 8:30 a.m.
to 9 p.m. monday through friday, 11
                     a.m. to 9 p.m. saturday and 4 to 9 p.m. sunday.
                         tickets may be charged to mastercard or visa when
ordered by phone. call (715)
                     836-3727 - or, outside the immediate eau claire area,
call toll-free (800) 949-uwec. a $3
                     handling fee will be added to all telephone charge
orders.
                         the concert is sponsored by event resources
presents, inc., and the university
                     activities commission of the uw-eau claire student
senate.
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if you are a student at uw eau claire or know someone who is, i'm willing
to make a deal :-) please email me privately.
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definitely massive attack - mezzanine.

isabelle :)
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did ya'll really have to let me know that amy smokes?
did you?
man, that damn near ruins her for me.  is she a
habitual smoker or occasional?  chicks look okay
smoking, but they taste awful!

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hmmm....
miles davis - sketches of spain
really gets me going....

also ...
hildegard ...anything....
nina simone, sugar in my bowl
betty carter ... this time ....

agree with 'posession' and 'drag' too.
yummy.
woof.
claire

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subject:      tx motel help

the saga continues...

ok. does anybody know which part of austin the backyard
is closest to? north, south, east, west? because i'm
trying to reserve a motel 6 room and closer is better
than further away.

suggestions appreciated...

also... for dallas - help! everybody says staying near
the bronco bowl is taking my life in my hands, so what
part of town is safe? i live in colorado - i've never
been to dallas. i have no idea which direction i'm
entering the city from, etc... region or specific budget
motel recommendations very appreciated. i'll drive
anywhere around the city - i don't care how far - but i
don't want to end up someplace that's going to be life
threatening to my rental car. i'm travelling alone, so
safety is a consideration, although i'm not crazy
paranoid or anything.

thanks again, all, for the help,

oh... and any news on the listmeet? when? who's wearing
what? i'll be on the road as of sunday night so let me
know if i should be looking for anyone in particular :-)

cheers,
kristen

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on fri, 22 oct 1999, dawn manuel wrote:

> chicks look okay smoking, but they taste awful!

   that is the truest thing i've ever heard said in an e-mail, i think.
   well, maybe, "you're effing insane!"  i thought that was pretty true,
too.  :)

   darius

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oh god, i'm really sorry amy smokes.
i'm sorry anybody smokes.
my mom just finished chemo and radiation
for lung cancer this past year.
it's a bad disease.
it's hell.
i hate tobacco.
kc
> did ya'll really have to let me know that amy smokes?
> did you?
> man, that damn near ruins her for me.  is she a
> habitual smoker or occasional?  chicks look okay
> smoking, but they taste awful!
>
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> american spirits are not exactly cancer free... the
> whole 'natural cigarette' trend is very alarming as
> there is nothing you can smoke that is not going to
> damage your lungs...
>

exactly. that and those flavored bibi cigarettes -
they're equally dangerous.

the thing is,
chicks do look hot smoking...

unless, of course, they're switching back and forth
between the cigarette and the oxygen feed through the
hole in their neck.

i mean both of those things, by the way.

kc

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> the thing is,
> chicks do look hot smoking..

my opinion - with all the common knowledge about the dangers of smoking,
i can't help but think how stupid it makes someone look (my gf included
- she knows how i feel) to be inflicting potential damage upon
themselves. what is "hot" about that?  i know that some people can't
help it - it is an addiction, but if you don't smoke, don't start,
unless you want to convey the message that you are truly stupid. smoking
= stupidity, not "sexy" or "hot".  sorry to offend you smokers out
there, but it is truly a disgusting habit.  my opinions - don't flame me
for them, but please feel free to tell us your own opinions.

elaine

elaine

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<<<<john and beccie are so right.  does anyone have a copy
of "the life cycle of mailing list?"  that is a great
piece to post every once in a while!

peace!>>>>

i haven't seen this in a while... but i have seen this list in an uproar
before, and i have also seen people unsub because of it.  it's not worth it,
folks.

and to erin, i am sooooo sorry that people have flamed you over this. i'm
sure you must feel like the little red hen that did all the work, and then
everyone came running for the results.  it is so important to remember that
none of the nice people who do nice things on this list are being paid, or
profiting from what they are doing. she is doing this as a favor, folks, she
doesn't have to, and i think it was very kind and sweet of her to do this at
all.

point... the list will survive, people who are flaming will kiss and make
up, the world will go on, and all will be calm once again.

and i'll be the first to pucker up...

joanne

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casey- i saw doing time... right when i was starting to come out to my family
& it really touched me too. great movie. it actually made me like jim carrey!!

peace,
  rick

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*there ain't no way i'm gonna let this heart mend* -amy ray

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well, i mostly agree with elaine.  it's disgusting.
truly.  but..  i have to say, everytime my gf picks up
a cigarette (very rare) i can't help but remember the
old days, and it turns me on.  so, i have to admit it
works for me in rare cases.
but not in amy's.
(please don't hurt me!)
dawn

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> i can't help but think how stupid it makes someone
> look (my gf included
> - she knows how i feel) to be inflicting potential
> damage upon
> themselves. what is "hot" about that?


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i may be selling one or both of my tickets to the 11/01 phoenix show.
if anyone is interested please e-mail me privately.  they
are on the main floor section 2  row x, which is row 23 i believe.


peace,

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ok....

*** 156 people responded

*** 135 identified themselves as female
***   15 identified themselves as male
***     6 said nothing about this particular question

***     7.2 years is the average years listening

***    27.6 years is the average age

i hope y'all find this interesting =)  thank you to all the kind folks out
there and to anyone that found it necessary to flame...no hard feelings.
can't we all be friends?

ok...one more bit of info.  i am taking on the challenge of the holiday card
exchange this year.  it has been really great in the past and i hope this
year will be bigger and better than ever!  this is how it works...anyone
interested should email me (the deadline for this will be november 15th)
with their name and mailing address.  i will then put people into groups of
20 or so.  the names and addresses of your group will be emailed to you.  you
then buy or make one another holiday cards and mail them out...(some people
make some really great and way creative cards).  everyone is welcome to
participate and it is really fun to find cards from other ig fans in your
mailbox from all over the country and in some cases all over the world.  i
have participated in this exchange for two years now and it is so fun!  i
will begin collecting addresses now...and will have the lists made my the
last week in november...

feel free to email any questions =)

take care everyone,
and be kind...
erin sue

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ok, ok, ok,

in defense of the smokers out there darlins...it is again our
choice....now being a person with a mind my own i made that
decision and until i decide that i want to quit i wont...i have
thought about quitting, but i dont want to so i aint going
to...i have no problem with people who dont smoke and i am a
very resceptful smoker...i wont smoke around people who dont if
they ask me not to, even in my own home i will go out on my
balcony and smoke instead of smoking in front of people who
would rather i didnt...the thing is it is our choice to do so or
not do so...and ranting and raving about it only emflames people
to do it even more...nuff said...flame if you must...


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could some one repost the info on the card exchange? i got delete happy and
.......


here's to a vacation soemtime soon

sara the sunflower

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thanks, ryan!
...the test went well but the best part is that it's
over!yeeehaaa!...*vbg*...

power to us all, bro...

rugbygrrl


lol...indeed! your other post was very well thought-out as well. good luck
on your exam!

ryan blackhawke
owner - fremont hemp co
(888) 956-hemp
http://www.fremonthemp.com

>-----original message-----

>...but that's not what's going on here!...*sigh*...there is no right and
>wrong...there is simply information being given...clarification if you
>will...who knew a little horizon building would be so damn dramatic?!
>
>rugbygrrl


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hey!
just thought i would let ya all know that my gf and i got a postcard in the
mail from the chevy people who were at lilith fair. anyhow we made a donation
to their concept cure thing and got put on a mailing list.  well they have
put out a cd featuring some incredible lilith fair performers, plus a few of
the hottest female acts fresh on the music scene. (their words not mine, i
havent heard or seen it yet)
anyhow its free as long as supplies last.  im sure they will send ya junk
mail or brochures or whatever promoting their products.  but to get your free
copy you can sign up at www.chevrolet.com/cavalier (however i couldn't find
the spot to sign up there though you are supposed to be able to) or you can
call 1-800-743-9622.  i'm sure others of you have gotten the same postcard
maybe, but for those of you who haven't i thought ya's might be interested.
take care
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on fri, 22 oct 1999, beccie lyon wrote:

> in defense of the smokers out there darlins...it is again our
> choice...

   funny how the people who push for more smoking legislation are
generally pro-choice, ain't it?
   i have no love for smoking - but friends do it, and i don't mind much.
also, i like to hang out in blues bars, so such things are a necessity to
stomach.
   unfortunately, there is a contingent who thinks that if they like
breathing it, so should everybody else.  i can't express the amount of
utter contempt i have for those people.

   darius

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in unity with all these incredible artists, for the purpose of
rearranging the molecular structure in the listener."
  - carlos santana

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on fri, 22 oct 1999, tina crawford wrote:

> anyhow its free as long as supplies last.  im sure they will send ya junk
> mail or brochures or whatever promoting their products.  but to get your free
> copy you can sign up at www.chevrolet.com/cavalier (however i couldn't find
> the spot to sign up there though you are supposed to be able to)

   click on the circle that brings up the page for the cav convertible.
   then select the menu option lilith fair cd offer.

   darius

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my vote goes to "the trinity sessions" album by cowboy junkies.  it's just a
really sensual disc, as opposed to an overtly sexy one. ;)
but.....mhmmm...it works. lol

mis

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since the last one sparked a bit of debate, thought i'd pass this one on as
well.  almost stranger than the last...

your girl in the trenches,
elizabeth

****

date: october 22, 1999
from: jerry falwell

this weekend marks our anti-violence summit: i urge all of my
falwell confidential friends to remember my thomas road church
family in your prayers this weekend as we host the greatly-
anticipated anti-violence summit here in lynchburg, va.  i am
including a portion of the remarks i will make this weekend, so you
can be assured that i am not relaxing my commitment to the biblical
mandate of sexual purity outside the traditional bonds of marriage
between one man and one woman.  [i am releasing this partial-
statement to you even before the press receives this, because you
are a key part of this ministry and i want you to be informed on
this weekend.]  the sole purpose of this summit, as i reported to
you in an earlier edition of the falwell confidential, is to call
for respectful rhetoric from both sides of the homosexual debate.  i
continue to believe that if we preach the gospel of christ from a
perspective that we are all equally loved by god, we will be able to
minister to people with a heart of christian devotion.  those like
the rev. fred phelps, the topeka, kansas hate-monger who will be
here to protest this weekend, will never reach people with the
gospel because of their blind hatred.  thousands of "ex gays" are
now living testaments to the fact that god can touch the hearts of
homosexuals and call them to wonderful and fruitful christian
ministries.  we need to support and uphold these fellow brothers and
sisters in christ so that others may learn the truth. here now are a
few of my comments from the approaching weekend:
"why are we here today?  i doubt there is anyone here or elsewhere
who knows anything about me who thinks that by meeting with 200 gays
and lesbians, i have suddenly changed my belief that homosexuality
is scripturally wrong -- that it is sin. indeed i have not.  but we
are not here today to debate homosexuality, as our views are clearly
and equally divided in this room on that subject ....  we are here
because of the senseless shootings of students at columbine high
school in littleton, colorado earlier this year, most of whom were
apparently evangelical christians, such as cassie bernall, who was
shot after answering at rifle-point, "yes, i believe in god." ....
we're here because two persons full of hate in a wyoming bar decided
to torture and kill a young gay man, matthew shepard.  we are here
because, in february, billy jack gaither, of alabama, was bludgeoned
to death with an ax handle by two men who got tired of him being gay
....  we are here because innocent people of various religious
faiths, racial and ethnic groups, and sexual preferences have
increasingly had their lives abruptly and violently ended by people
with opposing views and beliefs in recent months and years ....  i
have deep convictions about homosexuality.  mel white has never
asked me to refrain from preaching what i believe, that the bible
describes the practice of homosexuality as a sin against god.  i
could not even if he had asked.  and i contend that a pastor should
be permitted to preach the whole counsel of god without being
labeled and targeted as a bigot.  with that said, i also believe my
role as a pastor is to help followers of jesus christ to develop a
spiritual balance that enables them to hate sin while genuinely
loving sinners-for it is for sinners like you and me that christ
died 2000 years ago ....  as christians, we believe that healing
comes not only from the absence of hate but from the presence of
love.  many of us pastors like to talk about loving the sinner but
hating the sin, as i have already mentioned.  unfortunately, that
statement has often become a meaningless cliche.  while we may not
always be guilty of hating the sinner, we too often fall short of
the mark of hating the sin but truly loving the sinner ...."

'not natural': yesterday, julia duin of the washington times
chronicled the story of singers angie and debbie winans, whose 1997
song, "not natural," was a direct response to ellen degeneres
"coming out" episode on her abc series.  these young ladies were
blacklisted by the lesbian and gay alliance against defamation
(glaad) and received a host of faxed hate messages, including, they
say, 30 death threats.  you see, often the homosexual community - in
the name of tolerance - is quick to condemn those who disagree with
them.  [the press rarely reports what paul harvey calls "the rest of
the story," choosing only to recount "right-wing" violence.]  i hope
our summit results in a calming affect on both sides of the
homosexual issue.  these courageous young women should be praised
for taking an unpopular stance (the biblical stance, of course, is
rarely popular.)  "it's the truth," angie told the times.  "we wrote
the truth about the bible."  let's pray that we never lose that
right.

media update: as you can imagine, i'll be very busy with media
appearances during the next several days. space does not permit me
to tell you of all the appearances, but you can look for me in these
venues: abc's good morning america, friday, october 22, at about
7:15 a.m. (et), and msnbc's equal time, friday at 6:30 p.m. (et).

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orignal message from listee 1)
ok so now we are nit picking...are you looking for confrontation...well i
think that you are. you have your back up and will bite at anything. one day
you will grow up and say "gee how pettie was i being" hope it is soon!!!

message from listee 2)
>i was being sarcastic!!!!!! for god's sake!!!!!!!  geez people get a grip
>who cares????!!!!
>
>argh!!!!!!!!
>
>nan
>

...walk in brandan teena's shoes...see how much you care then...
why is it that the folks that seem the most bent out of shape are the ones
that don't have to deal with gender issues?...hmmm...so once again we have
the majority deciding that a certain minority isn't worth caring about...i'd
hate to see what would happen around here if something big came along...
ya know...in a way i'm with joan in saying why can't we even have a fucking
poll without folks going postal?...yet...does that mean when someone like
erin goes out of her way to do something nice for the list, that only
applies to a certain percentage of the population?...well, put that way it
sounds a bit ridiculous, right?...i can't tell you how dissappointing it was
to see on this list such vehemence against a certain portion of our
group...gee...it was like real life, imagine that!...i think what
particularly hurts me is not that folks were perhaps getting tired of
hearing about an issue that didn't pertain to them but the way in which they
continually try to dismiss and marginalize the existance of our very own
list people!...just because it's hard for you to identify or even understand
this particular issue doesn't mean you just tell them to fuck off...what
happens when the next issue arises?...oh!i know!...we just say..."who
cares?!""get a gripe!""grow up!"...yeah...that's so much easier than
actually learning anything now isn't it?...maybe i'll just apply that to my
real life...hmmm..."hey faggotgirl!who's your pretty wife, faggot grrl?!has
she fucked any real men lately?!let me show you how to fuck her right,
butchie!suck this dykebaby!"... ...yeah...who cares, right?...i should just
get a gripe...uh huh...next time i'm in the above situation, i'll just
remember all the lovely advice from all the caring and considerate
listees...
..by the way...part of this was meant to be sarcastic...i'll let you work it
out...

...if i may borrow a bit of beccie here...
peace, love, and indigo light...
...but most importantly...
...power to us all...

rugbygrrl


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"remember,great love and great achievements involve great risk"
"rugby: elegant violence"
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ok....

*** 156 people responded

*** 135 identified themselves as female
***   15 identified themselves as male
***     6 said nothing about this particular question

***     7.2 years is the average years listening

***    27.6 years is the average age

i hope y'all find this interesting =)

thanks, erin!...nice job and thanks for sticking it out!:d


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in a message dated 10/22/99 3:22:56 pm eastern daylight time,
sara62@hotmail.com writes:

<< could some one repost the info on the card exchange? i got delete happy and
.......
  >>


here is the info ...

ok...one more bit of info.  i am taking on the challenge of the holiday card
exchange this year.  it has been really great in the past and i hope this
year will be bigger and better than ever!  this is how it works...anyone
interested should email me (the deadline for this will be november 15th)
with their name and mailing address.  i will then put people into groups of
20 or so.  the names and addresses of your group will be emailed to you.  you
then buy or make one another holiday cards and mail them out...(some people
make some really great and way creative cards).  everyone is welcome to
participate and it is really fun to find cards from other ig fans in your
mailbox from all over the country and in some cases all over the world.  i
have participated in this exchange for two years now and it is so fun!  i
will begin collecting addresses now...and will have the lists made my the
last week in november...

feel free to email any questions =)

take care everyone,
and be kind...
erin sue

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when you send your address, you will get a message back from me to confirm.
if you don't get the message, please send again.  thank you all!

take care=)
erin sue

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elizabeth - i was just wondering if this falwell confidential was a regular
e-mail thing that you subscribe to...always good to know what your enemies
are up to..this part was my favorite:
<< and i contend that a pastor should
  be permitted to preach the whole counsel of god without being
  labeled and targeted as a bigot.  >>
good old falwell...

lisa
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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 15:35:20 -0700
reply-to:     jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com>
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>from the falwell release:

>>you see, often the homosexual community - in the name of tolerance -
is quick to condemn those who disagree with them.  [the press rarely
reports what paul harvey calls "the rest of the story," choosing only
to recount "right-wing" violence.]<<

oh cut me a break!  <sigh>  now *we're* too quick to judge??  this
whole summit sounds like a sham to me.  just another way to make it
look like he's the "good guy".

jean


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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 19:08:17 -0400
reply-to:     elaine bean <efbean@erols.com>
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> >>you see, often the homosexual community - in the name of tolerance -
> is quick to condemn those who disagree with them.  [the press rarely
> reports what paul harvey calls "the rest of the story," choosing only
> to recount "right-wing" violence.]<<

poor misunderstood jerry.  jerry, i feel your pain.  it's so hard to be
a good guy -  damn that homosexual community.

elizabeth - where do you get this falwell stuff?  it's kind of sad to
read about the "jerry's follies" - he's really pathetic, but amusing if
you don't let him get to you.  sometimes he get's me so furious though.
are you a closet jerry follower? ;)

elaine

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 16:34:59 -0700
reply-to:     dawn manuel <venussage@yahoo.com>
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fumbling towards ecstasy is an awesome make out cd.
oh yea, buddy.  when my gf and i separated, that was
the only cd i could not listen to.  okay, i could, but
then i cried uncontrollably.

swamp ophelia was playing the first time we really
made out, and everytime i put in the cd, we give each
other a look.  needless to say, i love that cd.

madonna's erotica is definitely a make-out cd.  or
should i say, not so much a making-out cd as a, um,
"doing it" cd (to put it nicely).

the first ig concert i went to, i went with my
ex-girlfriend (we had just broken up after 5 years)
and my new (current) girlfriend.  they sang love's
recovery.  i stood there listening, tears streaming
down my face.  i was ashamed to look at my current gf,
but i turned and looked at the ex (she introduced me
to ig) and her eyes immediately filled with tears.
okay, sorry for the rambling.  i don't know why i
thought i should share that!


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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 16:38:01 -0700
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hey, hey, hey...
don't be upset.  that's okay if you choose to smoke.
it's a free country.  and just so you know, i smoke an
occasional clove.  so, i'm a hypocrite!  :)
i've never had a problem with smokers!  i dated
several.

it's all good.....


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julee cruise-- floating into the night--the entire album        slow simmering
passion...
cure--galore  "close to me"     damn...this song just reaches me
                "lullaby"   freaky but amazingly seductive
sophie b. hawkins--tounges and tails-   !wow!-- almost every song on this
album could arouse a dead man (or woman).
and m. etheridge's new song "my lover"  is her most sensual so far and
"sleep" follows it excellently as a great "cuddling" song.

but yeah-- who could beat sarah for overall ability in this catagory?

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 19:20:10 -0500
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i don't care what amy does in her free time, so
long as it's not around me in my appartment.

peace,

barb

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>poor misunderstood jerry.  jerry, i feel your pain.  it's so hard to be
>a good guy -  damn that homosexual community.

yeah, really.  those poor christians...they can get fired from their jobs
for being christian...they have problems adopting children...they can't get
married. wow, it must suck to be so oppressed.

kelly :)  (who really hopes she didn't offend anyone)

"it's too corny to cry."  amy ray; "joking."

"i missed ten million miles of road i should have seen."  emily saliers;
"love's recovery."

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amy and emily could beat sarah, on sensuality anytime.

peace,

barb

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when i first heard that jerry falwell would meet with members of glbt
communities, i just tought,
"jerry falwell--this guy is screaming to be made fun of. "  hope you
enjoy it.


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hey everyone,

look who's talking about love and respect to
all god's children (heh, heh,heh)  hehloooooh
jerry!!!!!!!!

say mr. falwell,  "tell me, why oh why can't you understand  why you are
seen as hating
gay people?"

mr. falwell, "duh, ah don't know whah! i'm jst trying to bring to them
the gospel of jesus christ, so
they could reeeeeeepennnnnt  their sinful ways. and turn to god now
before their day of judgement."

reporter:  "but  most of the glbt commuities in this country are very
upset  and hurt by things you have said in the past.  why does it seem
that many people see that what you are doing,
is hateful?"

mr. falwell: "ahve never said  enething  to hurt those people,  like ah
say, ahm a minister of the lord jesus chrahst, and ah love allll  god's
cheeeildren.    ah have no hatred  in mah hart
for anyone."

reporter: "you always talk about them being damned ."

mr. falwell:  "ah  do?"

reporter:  "yes you do.  you said that tinky winky is a symbol of the
glbt cultures here,
and are encouraging people to boycott anything to do wit teltubbies,
because they support glbt."

mr. falwell: " ah didn't mean that."

reporter: "yes you did. you have a history of
making  such hateful statements  to people wh are not like you, and then
taking it all back, the next day. just like you did now. "

mr. falwell (shaking in fear) " ahm goin' ta meet with  the glbt people
and tell them about their sin because  god loves them too."

reporter: "that's exactly what i mean.  sexual orientation is part of
how god created  us all.
and you say they're damned for practicing that gift?"

mr.  falwell: "ahv gotta go." (he fumbles through  his papers, ( and
pushes reporter out the door.)

reporter, : "mr. falwell, one more question---"
falwell interrupts, "ah said, 'no comment. bah."

reporte, "well, there you have it folks.  another
attempt  to spread more hatred amongst us.  live from jerry falwell
himself. this is barb
reporting so long and peace."


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mmmmmmmmmmm...the most sensual, get-down-and-grind music i've heard in a
long time is the classic "candy" by big maybelle...ohhhhh, can that womyn
sing!...then again, i'm a sucker for the old slow, sexy, bluesy music...just
makes ya wanna shimmy up to your grrl and check out those hip bones,
honey!...sliiiiide my fingers down her curves...breathe that beautiful womyn
into my soul....mmmm...mmmmm...mmm!

rugbygrrl...missing her wife something powerful...

"...candy....ohhhh my sweeeet candy....mmmmmm....i'm sweet on candy and
candy (s)he's sweet on meeeeee...."

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 20:59:59 -0400
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hi all you bickering angry kids,

this is your mother speaking.  enough with all the meanness.  not every
body is as hip to transgender issues as some of you seem to be.  end of
story.  the only time you're supposed to attack other people is when
there has been an intent to hurt. that wasn't there in this case, which
makes me remember part of the reason i got off this list.

would it be possible for everyone to count to ten before firing off
those angry venting posts from now on?  it is so not interesting and so
un indigo-ish.  everyone on this planet is working through difficult
issues of all sorts, but being unkind and cutting is too much.

back to your regularly scheduled nastygrams,

bonnie

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 12:41:35 -0400
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vicki wanted to start a new thread on make out music.
i hate to say this vicki, but nooooooo!  i cannot make
out to the girls' music.  i tried when i first met my
husband but i had to turn it off.

the girls' music is very personal to me.  i started
listening to them 10 years ago when i was alone
and in a bad state.  they became my friends
and still are, but i separate the two.

we listen to smooth jazz and r&b (luther, my man)
during intimacy.

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> -----original message-----
>    funny how the people who push for more smoking legislation are
> generally pro-choice, ain't it?

not really...cigarette smoke generally makes me quite ill, so i can't go to
the bars anymore. someone else having an abortion isn't likely to make me
puke.

>    i have no love for smoking - but friends do it, and i don't mind much.
> also, i like to hang out in blues bars, so such things are a necessity to
> stomach.

almost all my friends have been very understanding about me not wanting them
to smoke around me. i don't hang around those who can't respect that i'm
allergic to cig smoke.

>    unfortunately, there is a contingent who thinks that if they like
> breathing it, so should everybody else.  i can't express the amount of
> utter contempt i have for those people.

not to mention how we should pay for their health problems through higher
insurance premiums or medicare...

hey, you (general you, not you darius!) wanna smoke, fine. just make sure
you save up at least $100k for your medical bills. oh and please, not around
me unless ya wanna see what i ate for lunch. (funny how it didn't bother me
before but now i got older and i cannot stand it).

ryan

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please.

i would love to get involved in something like this. i think we should send
them all to the senate to shame them for not passing the test ban treaty.

can you imagine a million peace cranes flooding the senate floor? shame on
them!

> -----original message-----
> from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> behalf of karen, the biggest indigo girls bitch of japan
> sent: thursday, october 21, 1999 6:11 am
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: hiroshima (nigc), but please read!!!!
>
>
> hey y'all,
>
> this is completely nigc/non music related, or whatever, but i
> will post it to these lists anyway.
>
> last weekend, i traveled to hiroshima.  i was so touched by what
> i saw, especially the memorial to the children who were killed as
> a result of the bomb.  surrounding the childrens' memorial, there
> are over 1 million origami paper cranes that people have made.  i
> was inspired, and i decided that i wanted to get lots of people
> involved in making cranes and send them all at once to hiroshima
> (and bring about half of them to nagasaki, when i go there next month).
>
> so i am asking for help.  if anyone out there is interested in
> making an origami crane (they're really easy!) so i can send them
> to hiroshima (and bring some to nagasaki), please e-mail me
> privately, and i will send you my address.  or if you prefer, i
> can get an address in hiroshima so you can send your crane(s) directly.
>
> thanks for reading.  i am sure the people of hiroshima and
> nagasaki will really apperciate it.
>
> peace,
> karen :-)
>
> ---
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> girl can get a wife..."
>    -- emily saliers, indigo girls (goddess)
> "...i'll be at the rainbow room, i'll be courting some disaster
> with the melbourne wrecking crew."
>    -- amy ray, indigo girls (goddess)
> http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/s00.krosenblum
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> prochoicer@gurlmail.com
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>
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>
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hey guys...i've had a lot of questions...here's the deal...

window clings are 1 for $3, 2 for $5, or 5 for $10. payable in cash only
please.

please send a self addressed stamped envelope that is at least 8 inches
long. here's me address:

lyndsay agans
tu unit #38
8000 york road
towson, md 21252

remember to include the description and quantity of which clings you want.
thanks!!!

(i tried sending an attachment of the designs to the list but it was too
big, if you really really want to see them email me at
babeerabbit@hotmail.com and ask ;) )


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hey y'all...

ok, so i was on ebay before and i saw window clings up for sale and someone
was paying an extremely high price for one. now, i've decided to offer to
this list some that i've made. these are full color, quality clings which
you can put on your car, on your window, whatever...to keep costs down i
didn't treat them, so they're only for indoor use. okay, here are the design
descriptions:

1)i'm listening to the
     indigo girls


2) melbourne wrecking crew

3) a+e=ig

4) indigo girls (in rainbow color, hehe)

5) i "love" amy & emily
  (the love will be a red heart)

(please keep in mind the window clings are not just plain text, but very
vibrant and pleasing graphics :)

okay, so here's the deal: 3 bucks for one or 2 for $5. sorry, it costs
something to make 'em. it would also cost you a self addressed stamped
envelope. (do not forget the sase)

send responses privately back to me-we'll go from there.

peace tonight,

lyndsay

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hey guys - just curious...there's an anti-hate petition going around the
internet..i was about to forward it to a bunch of my friends and figured i'd
send it back to where supposedly someone is collecting these things --
allrunique@aol.com  -- but that's a bogus address...anybody know anything
about this? it sounded like a neat idea but these e-mail things...you never
know what's a hoax and what's not...conspiracies everywhere..just wondering
if anyone had heard anything..

lisa
"that's why we like you mulder. your ideas are crazier than ours." the lone
gunmen to mulder on the x-files

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reply-to:     joanm12345@aol.com
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from:         joan morrison <joanm12345@aol.com>
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we discussed this very thing (albeit about ig material) around new year's eve
last year!  and i think beccie was even talking about making a "sexual
healing" mix tape of some of the most commonly cited songs! :o)  perhaps
there is a demand for such a tape?

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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 01:54:33 edt
reply-to:     sass60876@aol.com
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i'll tell ya the songs i found awesome to make out to:
"both hands"-ani difranco
"wicked game"-chris isaak
"no ordinary love"-sade
"nights in white satin-the moody blues
"fade into you"-mazzy star
and those are just a few................all awesome and very erotic though
give 'em a try!
take it easy y'all!-----mandy

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reply-to:     sass60876@aol.com
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y'all she probably mostly smokes doobies i think she talks about lightin up a
doobe on "sister" ........"light the embers of another"...hello she's lightin
up a mary jane! and if she does smoke cigs maybe she's addicted ya
know.....i'm addicted ive been smokin since i was 14 and ive been tryin to
quit for years......give the girl and break but yes cigs are very very bad
for you!! take it easy folks!

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date:         fri, 22 oct 1999 23:56:05 -0700
reply-to:     arjuna greist <endarphine@yahoo.com>
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hey y'all,
must... resist...posting nigc...
oh, well. it's too hard- all of these issues are so
close to my heart! i'll try to make it short & sweet.

i thought the poll was good in that you could supply
your own answers. i could put f, cuz that's how i
identify, and my honey, if she were taking it, could
put down "neither" or "both" or whatever she felt like
writing. what makes me sad is polls (especially those
made by lgb people) which are multiple choice, & have
only 2 options, m or f. people need to be educated
about these issues; what happened to brandon teena is
only one of the more famous, violent examples of what
people like hannah/hank go through every day. and
obviously it's not only hets in the boonies who need
to have their consciousness raised- those in our
community need to have information so that they can be
supportive of those who are dealing not only with the
sex/gender of their partners, but with that of
themselves.
it gets frustrating when we who are highly involved
with transgender/transsexual issues have to deal with
ignorance, bigotry, and naivete every day, but i
always remind myself that learning happens more easily
when the student is encouraged, not chastised. it is
very hard to love everyone, especially people like
jerry falwell, but i have to. it's not that hard to
love y'all. so here it is: i love you. i respect your
inherent worth & dignity.
just thought some of you needed to hear that.

ok, on to smoking-
yes, it is a choice.
if there is *anyone* around you, within 100' or so,
you make the choice for them to breathe your
second-hand smoke. it's great when pple decide not to
smoke around others, (thank you thank you thank you!)
but the fact is most don't. they smoke in doorways, so
i can't go in. they smoke at concerts, so i have to
leave & not enjoy the music i paid to see. they smoke
around their kids, who may not get violently ill like
me, but slowly the tar builds up in their lungs. they
smoke in pathways, so i have to make wide arcs around
them.
see, i'm like the canary in the coal mine... being
deathly allergic, i'm an extreme case- but just
because someone tolerates your smoke, it doesn't make
it right that you're making that decision for them.
many people think it's quite alright to smoke around
others, because most pple tolerate it. it's not "cool"
to say "hey man, don't do that around me" because...
well, who knows why?
some people say, "what, are you gonna tell me i can't
eat a candy bar, cuz it's bad for me??!!" i say, "if
you eat a candy bar, you're the only one tasting it, &
you're the only one getting the calories. if you
smoke, everyone around you is receiving the ill
effects."
i recently wrote a song about all this, & i'm worried
about it- i want it to be effective, but not preachy.
if anyone would like the lyrics so they can give me
feedback, i'd really appreciate it. it's called "suck
& blow." hehe. mostly i'm just flabbergasted about how
anyone can justify smoking, as there are about 4200
reasons against it.
i've had so many near-death experiences because of
smokers who made a choice for me, i don't wanna think
about it. and yet i love them. crazy. :p
and as to abortion & the death penalty... no, there is
too much. if you want my opinion, email me.

finally, some sigc- i can't listen to the girls for
*mood* music for the same reason i can't listen to
them while writing a paper; i get so caught up in the
words that i hafta sing along, which can be quite
interesting, depending on, uh, where my mouth is. i
have this problem with any good music where i know the
words (ani, dar, suzanne v, etc) & it's led to some
pretty interesting situations. there was this one time
w/ hannah, with the hair soundtrack in the
background... and it got to the part where they sing
"everybody's going down, going down, gooooing down..."
well, i just couldn't resist.
we didn't stop laughing for quite a while.
sorry if that's too much info, i'm a poet & thus have
very little sense of privacy. ;)
peace,
arjuna
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"sir...m'am...whutever."
-store attendant, trying to address hannah
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 21:40:19 +1000
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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from:         sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
subject:      fw: cool webpages
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hey folks,

forwarded from the news-only list...

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded message---
>date: sat, 23 oct 1999 12:09:20 +0200
>from: pat & susse <byte-me@get2net.dk>
>subject: [ig-news] cool webpages
>
>i just wanted to tell everyone about 2 cool  ig webpages.
>the first can be found at http://indigoskies.tripod.com/  and contains
>some really high quality photos of ig. it also has an international
>email pals section where you can find ig fans in your area or sign up to
>be one yourself.
>
>the other page is at  http://hjem.get2net.dk/indigo_girls/
>this one has an ig theme for windows and a cool screen saver.
>thanks,
>pat.
>
>--
>
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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 08:41:29 -0400
reply-to:     neil <neily@netreach.net>
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guys...

please tell me you know that falwell is laughed at by those christians who
have no problem with homosexuality in the same way as they have no problem
with hetrosexuality (i.e. in the context of marriage or a lifelong
commitment).

i would hate this chap to turn folks off god (sure as hell he doesn't speak
for me). i'm sure y'all know there are plenty of pro-gay churches out there
(most episcopalian ones, for a start) and all that (to a greater of lesser
extent)...

blah blah blah etc.

just making sure :o)

neil
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ps. rereading twice... scanning for flame-bait... seems clean to me... do
your worst - i can take it (but off list please) :o)

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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 08:50:31 -0400
reply-to:     neil <neily@netreach.net>
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subject:      indicated - our own li'l list tribute album...
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so we (andi and i) were hanging out last night with the legendary i-girl and
she reminded me that this whole indicated project was her idea in the first
place... back in the day, that was....

the indicated deadline is november 1
please get your submissions to me asap!!!
you know how much i hate pushing back deadlines.

this is our list tribute tape to the indigo girls in 3 easy stages:
- pick a song or two by amy and/or emily
- record your version of it
- send it to me and it'll get put on a fancy cd for all to hear

no matter if the recording's not the best quality - i-girl and i agreed that
the ones that stand out are the ones where folks did things a little
differently.

at the moment i don't have enough submissions in my hands to justify doing
this properly

just a few more would be wonderful...

thankyou for putting up with all these messages over the last month or so...
hopefully this'll be the last before it's offered to the list!

cheers

neil
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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 11:58:30 edt
reply-to:     little lis <stopandrest@hotmail.com>
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from:         little lis <stopandrest@hotmail.com>
subject:      tabernacle (atlanta) on sale now
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hey everyone,
sorry if this info is a repeat, i haven't had time to read my list mail in a
few days.  last night at the uga concert the guy next to me informed me that
tickets for the tabernacle shows in atlanta, on 12/16 and 12/17, were going
on sale this morning.   he saw an ad in the newspaper.  anyway, yes, they
are on sale now.  i just bought some myself.  the tabernacle is general
admission, but it is a smaller venue.  so if you're interested in going i
wouldn't wait long to buy the tix.  oh, they're $31 plus i paid a $4.50
service charge.

oh by the way, the show last night was amazing, of course.  kind of bummed
that amy didn't sing sister.  but how could i really be upset when i heard
everything else they played.  let's see what i can remember (in a ver mixed
up order!) - go, get out the map, shame on you, shed your skin, least
complicated, power of two, faye tucker, virginia woolf, love will come to
you, ozillene, trouble, cold beer, gone again, reunion, kid fears, closer to
fine, galileo, compromise, ... anyone out there who can help me with this?
there was probably more.  hopefully you can get the details (chatter,
clothes, etc) from someone else's post!

happy day to all - it is beautiful here in atlanta!

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date:         sun, 24 oct 1999 01:40:01 +0900
reply-to:     "karen, the biggest indigo girls bitch of japan"
              <prochoicer@gurlmail.com>
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hey y'all,

i was so happy to have received so many e-mails from listees wanting to help me with my hiroshima project.  how awesome.

i have gotten a lot of questions, so i will attempt to answser some of them.

first off, instead of mailing my cranes, i will be hand delivering them.  after much thought, i decided that it was 100% worth the extra money to get back to hiroshima and put the cranes out myself.  so i am going to hiroshima on 23 november (tuesday). i am going to nagasaki that weekend as well.  so i should probably have all the cranes (for a final count) by around the 20th.  give the mail to japan a week and a half as well.

secondly, a lot of people were asking me how to make cranes.  teaching something like that via e-mail is quite difficult.  so i am giving you a few websites to look at that have great explanations:

http://www.csi.ad.jp/suzuhari-es/1000cranes/paperc/index.html

http://www-personal.umich.edu/~adysart/origami/crane/

and you can find pictures of the peave park (where the cranes are going) childrens memorial at:

http://www.skr.or.jp/kids/project/heiwa/park/index_e.html

thanks again to everyone who wants to help.  if you want to make a crane for hirsohima, and need more information, and my address so that you can send it, please e-mail me.

peace,
karen :-)
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   -- amy ray, indigo girls (goddess)
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from:         pj battaglino <pjbattle@earthlink.net>
subject:      melissa etheridge ticket for sale
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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 14:40:47 edt
reply-to:     gshsoows@aol.com
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from:         gshsoows@aol.com
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hi there!  my girlfriend and i have by some stroke of luck gotten off sunday
through thursday afternoon and are thinking of driving to providence town.
has anyone been there, live near there, know something cool there.....
please write me privately if you have any information that you would care to
impart :)

jill

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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 15:32:24 edt
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from:         "e. moranian bolles" <wishmonstr@aol.com>
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in a message dated 10/22/99 6:20:24 pm eastern daylight time,
lisa071573@aol.com writes:

<< elizabeth - i was just wondering if this falwell confidential was a regular
e-mail thing that you subscribe to...always good to know what your enemies
are up to.. >>

yup, i get a falwell confidential in my e-mail box once a week, free of
charge.  also, every month the latest national liberty journal arrives on my
doorstep, also free.  i encourage anyone who's interested in politics and
keeping tabs on the enemy to visit www.falwell.com and sign up! =)

~ elizabeth

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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 12:41:33 pdt
reply-to:     julie libes <mememi@excite.com>
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the show was really great.  the security was pretty slack (a bunch of indigo
fan, uga students that would rush up to the stage every time a song they
liked came on) so we found it possible to "improve" our floor location. the
did compromise (my new favorite song of all time) and shed your skin (my
favorite song ever before i heard compromise ;-)  amy was high on cold
medicine and commented that the colors were swimming and the lights were
beginning to look like monsters out to attack her.  lots of sing-alongs. i
was really surprised by "reunion" (awesome!!!) and "kid fears".  does anyone
get the setlist or a boot of this?  if so, please email me privately at
<indigonut@yahoo.com>.  amy was wearing those tight, shiny, black pants and
a colorful blue and reddish shirt. not sure what emily was wearing (we know
who i pay attention to). she cried at least three times during the show.
mostly during love songs.  she's too intense.  anyway, not much to add over
here.  i'm too psyched.  i have made a pact with myself to keep up with list
email.  who needs sleep anyway?

love,
julie ;-)

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date:         sat, 23 oct 1999 12:55:09 pdt
reply-to:     julie libes <mememi@excite.com>
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on      sat, 23 oct 1999 12:41:33 pdt, julie libes wrote:

> she cried at least three times during the show.
> mostly during love songs.  she's too intense.

i meant amy.  i'm such a dork.

julie ;-)

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bravo!  well said, neil!
  as my youth minister once said, "jerry falwell makes real christians look
bad."  it bothers me quite a bit when an entire diverse group gets dragged
down and pigeon-holed because of the actions of some members.  this is the
only part of philosophy of loss that bothers me -- it reinforces a rather
widespread resentment of christians within the glbt and liberal communities.
there is homophobia within some churches, but a) there a number of
denominations where glbt folks are accepted and b) the less friendly your
community is, the less friendly your churches are bound to be.  if you live
in rural alabama, you might have difficultly finding a congregation where you
feel comfortable.  if you live in boston, you might have difficulty finding a
congregation where you feel uncomfortable.
  just as "rev" falwell shoudn't speak against the gay community for the
actions of a few crazed gays, i think the gay community has to make more of
an effort to be very specific about the christians who encourage intolerance
-- and perhaps make a bigger deal about churches that welcome gay members
(the u.s. episcopal church is very close to breaking off from the
international church because of an unwillingness to be actively pro-gay, many
methodist churches are welcoming, the same with the congo church, etc).
falwell isn't *totally* out of line when he complains generally about
discrimination against christians.

~ elizabeth

neily@netreach.net writes:

<< please tell me you know that falwell is laughed at by those christians who
have no problem with homosexuality in the same way as they have no problem
with hetrosexuality (i.e. in the context of marriage or a lifelong
commitment).

i would hate this chap to turn folks off god (sure as hell he doesn't speak
for me). i'm sure y'all know there are plenty of pro-gay churches out there
(most episcopalian ones, for a start) and all that (to a greater of lesser
extent)... >>

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on      sat, 23 oct 1999 15:57:15 edt, e. moranian bolles wrote:

> this is the
> only part of philosophy of loss that bothers me -- it reinforces a rather
> widespread resentment of christians within the glbt and liberal
communities.

i agree with you on the point that not all churches are corrupt and are anti
gay.  but the majority of them is.  and this is what emily is talking about.
she does later say "and there are those who would be true out of love and
love is hard..." she is not generalizing, she is talking about the
corruption in many even most church communities.

> if you live
> in rural alabama, you might have difficultly finding a congregation where
you
> feel comfortable.  if you live in boston, you might have difficulty
finding a
> congregation where you feel uncomfortable.

i lived in chicago and now in atlanta.  there are only a few congregations
that are accpetiong and welcoming of homosexuality.  maybe ten in each city.
where they are hundreds of churches in each city. so even an extremely
accepting atmosphere like chicago will only have a few churches that are
welcoming and create a comfortable atmosphere for people who don't think
that their homosexuality (or bisexuality) is a choice and a sin.  i know,
i'm rediscovering my faith and have been looking at places of worship.  you
have to admit, emily has a point here. as far as the whole denominations you
spoke of that are getting with the program, emily does say "and there are
those who would be true out of love and love is hard..."  i don't think she
is meaning to speak about all christians or even most christians.  she is
talking about corruption and those that have it.


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what are the indigo girls' favorite things to do besides music?

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ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

    i can die happy now. i have heard kid fears. wow. they sounded really
good even if amy was on cold medicine. ;) the laugh in faye tucker nearly
scared me out of my pants. emily was wearing blue camoflauge pants (in case
anyone cares). it was really odd. very cute though. :) i think i may have
even gotten my tech man to start liking then.... besides closer to fine, that
is. amy kept tilting her ears out towards the audience to hear us singing
along to almost every song -- the uga crowd really impressed. i was afraid of
a bunch of "closer to fine-shame on you- that's-all-i-know kinda people" ;)
shawn mullins was incredible as well. i really like him.... ermm... anyone
else? amy ray never ceases to impress me.... and i think we actually
impressed her a bit. ;) emily said "i've always like athens... since i didn't
go to a school with a football team and i'm a redneck, i had to watch your
football games." sweet. ahh... does anyone know if tabernacle tickets were
sold out?

hopefully i got my cd autographed (i left the self-titled one with a guy i
work with who knows them.... here's hoping.... ;). hope you guys have a
terrific weekend!

take care,
kt

p.s. oh, and who was that guest star they brought in who sang "let it rain"?

p.p.s. i won a bet that they would start with "go". ;)

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a friendly, intellectual disagreement...

mememi@excite.com writes:

<<  i agree with you on the point that not all churches are corrupt and are
anti
gay.  but the majority of them is.>>

do you honestly believe the *majority* of churches are _corrupt_ and
_anti-gay_?  the fact is, there are a number of anti-gay churches in this
country that are not corrupt.  and there are, i am sure, welcoming churches
that are corrupt.

<>

yeah, but you're in atlanta.  (i didn't make my point clearly, i picked lousy
and confusing examples and for that i apologize.  i attempt to clarify-->)
you're living in a conservative place where, as i girl i met down there said
to me, "people are rather set in their ways" in the south.  what i meant was,
if one wants to find welcoming congregations, one does have an advantage if
one lives in certain places, like boston or san fran.

<< as far as the whole denominations you spoke of that are getting with the
program, emily does say "and there are those who would be true out of love
and love is hard...">>

i didn't think that was in context of the church discussion....  it is in a
different verse, and followed by a line about us foreign policy.

<<  i don't think she is meaning to speak about all christians or even most
christians.  she is talking about corruption and those that have it.  >>

you've got to pick a side: are most congregations corrupt or no?
  i think it needs to be said that just because a church organization is
"anti-gay" (whatever that even means), does not mean it is corrupt.  the fact
is, in the old testament male homosexual acts and sex outside the traditional
bonds of a male/female marraige are specifically spoken against -- and while
some denominations/congregations/christians believe the new testament makes
null and void much of the ot including those sections, some don't believe
that.  in the context of the religion, it is not totally absurb to consider
homosexual activity sinful.  christianity is considered internationally a
legit religion and jerry falwell does (disgustingly enough) have a point when
he says christians should not be condemed as bigots for preaching the bible
(tho he preaches in such a way that it infringes on my rights as a (gay)
person, and i think personally that he should shut up and sit down).
  objectively, religion serves the important function of providing moral
guidelines for society.  in the past, when infant and child mortality rates
were high, homosexuality would have hindered necessary procreation.  now that
people don't have to worry full time about perpetuating the species, this is
no longer true and the shift in major religions' view on gay folk reflects
this, methinks.

  the bottom lines are:
a ~ there are a lot of welcoming congregations, especially in welcoming
areas, and congregations that aren't "welcoming" (which does mean something
specific when used as a title) aren't necessarily anti-gay.  it is possible
to find a congregation that, while not actively "pro-gay", is not actively
anti-gay either.
b ~ most people who have religious convictions against homosexuality are
perfectly pleasent people.  keep in mind when speaking with such folks that
their ideas *are* usually founded on religious convictions, and we should
respect the religious beliefs of others.

sorry to go on about such things.  i get intense about politics, and am
highly sensitive about the gays in the church issue.

~ elizabeth

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i know amy is a mean mountain biker.  she talked about it once in a show
in utah, the mt. bike capital of the free world!!!!  ah, i miss the mts.

chris ii

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ok, sorry for the bandwidth but i knew there would be others here to pat me
on the back and support me when i say good lord demi moore is so damn fine in
this movie!!!!  just to hear her say the word lesbian is enough for me to
last a whole life long!  grrrrr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
it was on encore tonight and is on again wednesday night, for anyone who
wants to catch it.


big meow!!!!
carrie

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..by buying the 2 extra tickets i have for the november 4th show in l.a.
well, alright, so maybe i exaggerated a little tiny bit, but you'll have have
a good time and get to sing your heart out with amy and emily and a gazillion
other crazed fans. i have 2 tickets in row u on the floor. they're $40 each.
let me know if you want 'em cuz i'd sure love to share.
-sam (feeling warm and fuzzy from listening to a dar boot)

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yeah, i heard amy say that she came up with
jonas and ezekiel, while biking, and that she likes to be outdoors,
she's pictured  kayakking,
in  one of the first two issues of curve ( in jan/feb issue,  or the
march issue,  forgot which one)

at any rate, i know emily works at the watershed,  that, and  she really
seems to like talking about faulkner, besides virginia wolfe,
so i say she must spend a lot of time reading!!!!

they're very liberal and i lke that.  i have to laugh when amy talks
about when she moved to nashville, she said, "it's not exactly a hotbed
of liberalism."  i've been there, and  compared
minneapolis or as i call it "the minni apple" it's
pretty conservative.

a couple more about amy, i think she has a dog (not certain though) and
she lives near a woods and likes to sit out aftr dark to watch the
little night critters.  you can tell i'm more into amy, only because she
volunteers that info, whereas emily's always been kind of the quiet one
in that respect.  that's okay too, i'm not
knocking that.

afterall, mary travers of peter, paul and mary
notes that she hardly ever spoke a word on stage in the sixties, and now
she's  the most
outspoken one there. and the perspective she shares is    one of the
most interesting things about the group imho.

take care,

peace,
barb

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i omitted the year of those curve issues i was talking about.....it's
1997.  i hpe this posts after
my  respose to  hobbies, bt i don't think it will.
oh well, here goes.

barb

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i have an extra pair of tix for each of he above;

fairly close (around 6th row, perhaps, for phoenix)
1st row (i think) of loge for la;

plus, you'll be sitting with me!  so much for humility, i know.

anyone interested?

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does anyone know if amy and/or emily reads dorothy parker?  she's a really
awesome poet, and whenever i read her stuff, i'm like, "if this was a song,
amy would sing it."

i strongly recommend her to anyone on the list, by the way.  dorothy parker
really rocks. :)

kel

"it's too corny to cry."  amy ray; "joking."

"i missed ten million miles of road i should have seen."  emily saliers;
"love's recovery."

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annie,
i know it's kinda late but is it possiable to still get a copy of the
article you were talking about? i'd be most grateful!
linda

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h'm,

i didn't think they sounded particularly good at all.  i was pretty far back,
though, and perhaps the sound didn't travel well in this basketball arena.  in
particular, i thought the drummer was _way_ too prominent.  either he was mixed
too loud or just didn't appreciate that the drum is not the lead instrument on
ig songs.  could barely hear the bass player, even on a song like "three hits"
where the bass takes the lead melody.  glad they still played some songs by
themselves without the band.

didn't think the crowd was overly into any of the new material.  (again, i was
far back so these weren't big-time fans surrounding me.)  "trouble" sounded
great, but i wish more people were familiar with that one (as in, i wish it were
the single).  seeing them do it live, i picked up on the backing "trouble ...
came around here" part that amy is singing on the chorus under emily's "i'm ...
in ... trou-ble".  it's hard to make out amy's part on the cd.  if it weren't
for the drummer drowning them out, "ozilline" would have sounded fabulous.
"faye tucker" was very good (although i found myself longing for some kind of
recreation of natacha atlas' outro).  had to love amy's little dance during that
one.  i like that one a lot better now with the celtic underpinning.  glad to
hear "love will come to you".  i don't think people know what to make of the
lyrics to "cold beer and remote control".  the way emily introduced it, i think
this crowd was expecting a frat boy sing-a-long, which it ain't.

oh, it was kristen hall who came out to sing "let it rain" (while amy and emily
sang backup), probably the best number of the night, for me.

as i was leaving the arena, some kid yelled at the top of his lungs, "god, that
song selection sucked!"  probably to be expected so early in the tour behind a
new album that hasn't gotten much exposure.

ron
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does anyone have the boot to amy's "i can get the girls, the boys just
laugh" song?  please?!!!  i'll love you forever. if you do, email me and
we'll work something out.

thanks a million,
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hello,
        i was at the orlando show last night, it was awesome! was wondering
if anyone booted it?
thanks!


-heather

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just got back to south florida from the great green and neon north of
mickeyville.

it was a great show, the third ive seen this month, and i still havent heard
the same exact set twice. gotta love that.

the band continues to get stronger, adding little flourishes here and there,
like a soul stirring keyboard intro on power of two. and the intro on ozil.
continues to build and blow me away every time i hear it live.

michelle malone dropped by for a few songs. (i dont know if she opened or who
opened because i made it up there just in time for the girls set.  i had to
work yesterday) they did gerard mchugh's thin line (michelle on mandolin) and
yes! wild horses. (michelle on lead guitar and sharing lead vocals with amy)
that was incredible and so unexpected and something i've always wanted to
hear them do live.

they did just about everything from the new album except sister, andy, we are
together and philosophy of loss. (i saw them do pol live in asbury and it
really is a beautifully haunting song with incredible lyrics, especially the
bit on the end about things happening randomly.) no johnny rotten mandolin
song either.

other highlights for me were shed your skin and shame on you, which really
rock with this band. i love this band.

anyway, my one quibble is that they only played 90 minutes. the other two
times i saw them they played just under two hours.

that's it from the subtropics. except that i swear amy was wearing blue suede
shoes. dont quote me cause i was up in the balcony. anybody there closer up
have an opinion on this?

ps:michelle malone has an incredible voice. what's her music like? can anyone
suggest some good starter albums on her? thanks.

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i find the ladies enjoy getting intimate with a little ravel. bolero is my
tune of choice. i've got keith partridge to thank for that.

det. munch

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hey!
i was going through some old magazine clippings and came across this clipping
i believe if my memory is correct it came from an old rolling stone.  anyhow
you all probably have discussed this before, but i have a question for ya's.
it is regarding what artists request in their dressing rooms. i believe it
was while touring with lilith. and it said:

indigo girls:
please purchase foods at a natural health-food store.  when available, use
organically grown vegetables and fruits.  no nabisco products
6 fresh bagels(no raisins or blueberry) with small cream cheese.  no kraft
unwaxed, recycled cups, plates,bowls. no styrofoam
1 teapot, 1 six-pack local microbrews,  1 new york times, 36 bath towels.
must be prewashed.

anyhow sorry if i am naive to this subject, but why do they boycott nabisco
and kraft? i assume it has something to do maybe with their enviromental
stances  or something. it made me curious. i buy these products alot and it
has me curious about them now.  i also noticed they sure go through lots of
bath towels in their dressing rooms!!
take care
tena

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hey everyone,


for those interested, kristen hall will be playing two shows at eddie's
attic in decatur this upcoming wednesday (oct. 27th) at 7 and 9:30 pm. her
cd release party will also be at eddie's on dec. 11th. for more details,
i'd recommend checking out ea's website: www.eddiesattic.com


all the best,

martine

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in a message dated 10/24/99 1:15:32 pm eastern daylight time,
tenaindigo@aol.com writes:

<< anyhow sorry if i am naive to this subject, but why do they boycott nabisco
and kraft? i assume it has something to do maybe with their enviromental
stances  or something. it made me curious. i buy these products alot and it
has me curious about them now.  i also noticed they sure go through lots of
bath towels in their dressing rooms!! >>

both nabisco and kraft are owned by philip morris... a prominent cigarette
manufacturer.

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subject:      orlando show--boot request and setlist info
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hey y'all

the orlando show was soooo incredible last night...michelle malone =
opened and then came back out and did "thin line" and "wild horses" with =
the girls...

did anyone happen to boot this show...the girls and/or michelle's set?  =
if so, i'd looove to do a trade...thanks...

here's the setlist (i'm almost positive i remembered it correctly in =
order but if anyone disagrees, let me know):

go
peace tonight
tried to be true
get out the map
compromise
trouble
thin line (w/mm)
soon be to nothing
shed your skin
closer to fine
wild horses (w/mm)
cold beer and remote control
ozilline
least complicated
faye tucker
power of two
shame on you
-----encores------
ghost
gone again
galileo

smiles!
-kim

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<div><font color=3d#000000 size=3d2>tried to be true</font></div>
<div><font color=3d#000000 size=3d2>get out the map</font></div>
<div><font color=3d#000000 size=3d2>compromise</font></div>
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only kraft is owned by phillip morris.  nabisco is owned by r j reynolds who
also manufacture cigs and aluminum products.  this is all public record
y'all

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in a message dated 10/24/99 1:15:32 pm eastern daylight time,
tenaindigo@aol.com writes:

<< anyhow sorry if i am naive to this subject, but why do they boycott
nabisco
and kraft? i assume it has something to do maybe with their enviromental
stances  or something. it made me curious. i buy these products alot and it
has me curious about them now.  i also noticed they sure go through lots of
bath towels in their dressing rooms!! >>

both nabisco and kraft are owned by philip morris... a prominent cigarette
manufacturer.

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please read the whole thing and don't kill this petition.
  >if you  aren't  signing, forward this to allrunique@aol.com.
  >if you don't forward it, the names signed may not count.

  >on october 6, outside laramie, wyoming, matthew shepherd, a 21-year-old
university of wyoming student, was tortured, beaten, and left tied to a pole
in the freezing cold. six days later, he died  of his wounds in poudre
valley hospital, fort collins, colorado.matthew was murdered because he was
gay and because he was a prominent and charismatic member of the gay and
lesbian student group on campus.
right now wyoming and colorado have no anti-hate crime laws; the state
legislature in wyoming has voted down anti-bias bills for each of the past
three years. there is an effort in wyoming and colorado to enact matthew
shepard laws,which would strongly punish the perpetrators of hate crimes.
this petition demands the broadening of federal anti-hate crime ban.

opening statement: "we state strongly that violence on the basis of sexual
orientation, race or gender is wrong, is evil, is reprehensible."  john
buehren, president of the unitarian universalist speaks for unitarian
universalists, but his words are reflected in the hearts of people
everywhere who believe we must speak out, take action against, and condemn
hate crimes in all their ugly forms. a resolution follows:

  >whereas: we affirm and promote the inherent worth and dignity of every
person.

  >whereas: we commend the efforts of those individuals who dedicate their
lives to causes of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

  >therefore be it resolved: that we hereby urge the passage of the hate
crimes prevention act (hcpa), h.r.3081 and s.1529. the hate crimes
prevention act (hcpa), h.r.3081 and s.1529, would amend current federal law
(which permits federal prosecution of a hate crime only if the crime was
motivated by bias based on religion, national origin, or color) to include
real or perceived sexual orientation, gender, and disability so the fbi
would be able to investigate and prosecute violent hate crimes against gays,
lesbians, and bisexuals. under this bill, hate crimes that cause death or
bodily injury because of prejudice can be investigated federally, regardless
of whether the victim was exercising a federally protected right.

  >the only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of support
or this change to the current law is by making our voices heard. please add
your name to this petition and forward it, to then be forwarded to the
president of the united states; the vice president of the united states; and
our united states senators and house members.

  >petition management:
  >1.   this petition is being passed around the internet. please add your
name to it so that we can have tougher laws against all hate crimes. please
keep the petition rolling. do not reply to me. please sign and forward to
others to sign. this is being forwarded to several people at once to add
their names. it will not matter if many people receive the same list as the
names are being managed.

  >2.  if you print out this petition for circulation and signing, please
email the listing of names with locations to the email address:
allrunique@aol.com (n email address created to receive this> petition).
include a note to indicate you have a hand-signed petition and include the
number of names listed.
  >3.  if you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th,200th, 250th, (...) name on
this petition, please forward a copy to the above address.
  >
  >4.  if you sign, please pass it on to others. if not, please do not  kill
it.  send it on to the email address: allrunique@aol.com
thank you,
leslie palmer

i cannot stay silent, my outrage and compassion will not allow. add a number
and sign at the bottom of this list.
  >
  >1. leslie palmer, jacksonville, fl
  >2. stephen silverman, south burlington, vt> >
  >3. wayne arnason
  >4. theo diamond, charlottesville, va
  >5. sasha kopf, northampton, ma / princeton, nj
  >6. geoffrey b. metz, tufts univ., medford, ma
  >7. emily sporl, tufts university, medford, ma
  >8. tai collins, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
  >9. danielle lazarin, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
  >10. priscilla morales, yale university, new haven, ct
  >11. lydia pace, yale university, new haven, ct
  >12. julia goren, williams college, williamstown, ma
  >13. jamie waxman, columbia university
  >14. rebecca zimmerman, columbia university, ny
  >15. ariel meyerstein, columbia university, ny
  >16. aaron finkel, university of missouri-columbia, mo
  >17. sally noedel, truman state univ., kirksville, mo
  >18. kim cook, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
  >19. molly mitchell, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
  >20. jeremy schwab, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
  >21. aaron manheim, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
  >22. rebecca pronsky, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
  >23. rebecca milburn, wesleyan univ., middletown, ct
  >24. christene dejong, wesleyan univ., middletown, ct
  >25. lisa lapman, wellesley college, wellesley, ma
  >26. julia sussner, wellesley college, ma
  >27. adrian dellecker, trinity college, ct
  >28. sarah mullen, trinity college, ct
  >29. phu thai, university of rhode island, kingston, ri
  >30. leigh phillips, wheaton college, norton, ma
  >31. dominic rozzi, ithaca college, ithaca, ny
  >32. matthew small, heidelburg college, tiffin oh
  >33. linda roach, ithaca college, ithaca, ny
  >34. julian halliday, schlumberger as, columbus, oh
  >35. elizabeth wohler, university of virginia, charlottesville, va
  >36. susan gordon, university of virginia, charlottesville, va
  >37. heidi cook, vassar college, poughkeepsie, ny
  >38. ariel spira-cohen, vassar college, poughkeepsie, ny
  >39. kerry maxwell, hamilton college, clinton, ny
  >40. emma mclaren, hamilton college, clinton, ny
  >41. michelle marsidi, brown university, providence, ri
  >42. eliana garcia, connecticut college, new london, ct
  >43. jaime viola, farmington, ct
  >44. ryan ihrke, luther college, decorah, ia
  >45. perry-o sliwa, luther college, decorah, ia
  >46. gui dall'stella, new york, ny
  >47. abdul knowles, dain rauscher inc.
  >48. gerry petersen, st. ansgar schools, st. ansgar, ia
  >49. lori hagen, luther college, decorah, ia
  >50. jennifer kirking, prairie du chien, wi
  >51. regina check, prairie du chien, wisconsin
  >52. sarah guidotti, duquesne university, pittsburgh, pa
  >53. camella dimitri, tulane university, new orleans, la
  >54. c.m.ralph, redwood city, ca
  >55. sarah e. tigerman, redwood city, ca
  >56. karen r zachow, san francisco, ca
  >57. sara jorde, minneapolis, mn
  >58. don sommers, minneapolis, mn
  >59. shawn allison, st. paul, mn
  >60. christine cucciarre, cleveland, oh
  >61. frank cucciarre, cleveland, oh
  >62. karen jewell-kett, cleveland, oh
  >63. ronald l. buford, cleveland, oh
  >64. david s. slobodien, dc., west hollywood, ca.
  >65. patrick casey, md, los angeles, ca
  >66. cristian cifuentes, west hollywood, ca
  >67. gary jimenez, montebello, ca
  >68. paige van riper, playa del rey, ca
  >69. helena delu, altadena, ca
  >70. edward e. boughton iii, ventura ca
  >71. edward mitchell, los angeles ca
  >72. monica mitchell, los angeles, ca
  >73. jack shih, los angeles, ca
  >74. eva aguilera, los angeles, ca
  >75. natasha gerasimova, venice, ca
  >76. andreas sengebusch, encino, ca
  >77. melissa ruggeri, studio city, ca
  >78. mary bredlau, dallas tx
  >79. l.a.ragland, dallas, tx
  >80. jackie mcshane, dallas, tx
  >81. richard clayton, dallas, tx
  >82. tammi d.baker, houston, tx
  >83. adam glick, boston, ma
  >84. jeremy glick, greenwich, ct
  >85. stacey smith, new canaan, ct
  >86. robin bouvier, boxborough, ma
  >87. kari rusing, norwalk, ct
  >88. melissa brown, washington, dc
  >89. tanya burrwell, washington, dc
  >90. alberto figueroa-garcia, washington, dc
  >91. charlie buquet, santa cruz, ca
  >92. tracy ballard, santa cruz, ca
  >93. marcus kettles, nyc, ny
  >94. paul pecorino, nyc, ny
  >95. jamie sanford, gainesville, fl
  >96. beryl firestone, tampa, fl
  >97. ryan goldenberg, tampa, fl
  >98. david niersbach, richmond, in
  >99. sara parliament, richmond, in
  >100. erin walker, colorado state university, fort collins, co
  >101. amber armstrong, colorado springs, co
  >102. ginger kite, colorado springs, co
  >103. matt joiner, boulder, co
  >104. anya domlesky, portland, or
  >105. caitlin carlson, portland, or
  >106. janel wright, portland, ore.
  >107. charlene ongelungel, portland, or
  >108. muranda brooker, portland, or
  >109. tera cushman, portlant or
  >110. rachel greenough, portland, or
  >111. stephanie nicora, pebble beach, ca
  >112. julie goetzen, san diego, ca
  >113. dana ung, san diego, ca
  >114. sirena ung, san diego, ca
  >115. keri laprise, templeton, ma
  >116. jared graves, otter river, ma
  >117. amanda legay, fitchburg , ma
  >118. joshua berg, west bloomfield mi
  >119. michael canner, west bloomfield mi
  >120. anna peterson, west bloomfield, mi
  >121. lindsay mcfedries, bloomfield hills, mi
  >122. kathleen jimbo, west bloomfield, mi
  >123. justine yeung, beverly hills, mi
  >124. j. blaine piraneo, manalapan, nj
  >125. timothy arnold, colonia, nj
  >126. sara okun, linden, nj
  >127. steven rosete woodbridge, va
  >128. carolyne williams, fairfax station, va
  >129. lauren shelton, fairfax station, va
  >130. john h. beyer iv, chicago, il.
  >131. kathy bianchi, chicago, il
  >132. ed garza, chicago, il
  >133. jonathan "bumper" carroll, chicago, il
  >134. gillian vigman, chicago, il
  >135. ann gradman, ny
  >136. gary mcdonnell, ny
  >137. craig retchless, nyc, ny
  >138. valerie l. retchless, syracuse, ny
  >139. anna meade
  >140. christopher walton
  >141. jennifer moe, eugene, or
  >142. shannon bond, seattle, wa
  >143. karen malia list, seattle,wa
  >144. kim miskowicz, sf, ca
  >145. shayne spaulding, sf, ca
  >146. tiela chalmers, sf, ca
  >147. paul nemrow, sf, ca
  >148. allen sabourin, sf, ca
  >149. jim sherrill, sf, ca
  >150. thom mcdaniel, houston, tx
  >151. enrique gonalez, houston, tx
  >152. will browne, moraga, ca
  >153. ken nicholas, nashville, tn.
  >154. keifer meeks, nasvhille, tn
  >155. vincent wix, nashville, tn
  >156. jim harper, nashville, tn
  >157. rick deslover, nashville, tn
  >158. kayte watts, portland,or
  >159. jeff hays, portland, or
  >160. jennifer fowler, vancouver, wa
  >161. amy n. haight, vancouver, wa
  >162. claire colleen rourk, vancouver, wa
  >163. kevin schumacher, medina, oh
  >164. anthony d'amato, brick, nj
  >165. giancarlo durland, long branch, new jersey.
  >166. eric sharp, los angeles, california
  >167. alyssa boyle, los angeles, ca
  >168. gene michael barrera, los angeles, ca
  >169. karen sperling, new york, n.y.
  >170. vicki temkin, encino, ca
  >171. david skernick. west hills, ca
  >172. tony donaldson, sherman oaks, ca
  >173. 183} julie gengo, san diego, ca
  >174. carolyn gengo di domenico, ny, ny
  >175. fabio girelli-carasi, new york, ny
  >176. armando rotondi, pittsburgh, pa
  >177. jim & caroline grindrod madison wi
  >178. david grindrod, madison wi
  >179. emily engelland wilson, huntington, wv
  >180. paula choquette rachal, huntington, wv
  >181. robert tyler rachal, huntington, wv
  >182. s. scott hunter, parkersburg, wv
  >183. wendell n. gibbs, jr., cincinnati, oh
  >184. lisa r. hughes, cincinnati, oh
  >185. sue freedman, cincinnati, oh
  >186. milton l. freiberg
  >187. ed flesch, san francisco, ca
  >188. robyn breiman, cincinnati, oh
  >189. leslie cannon, cincinnati, oh
  >190. elizabeth m. levy, cincinnati, oh
  >191. dolores d. galloway, denver, co
  >192. joe & millie everett, toronto, on
  >193. brad cafarelli, west hollywood, ca
  >194. marc hulett, marina del rey, ca
  >195. tim tomlinson, seattle, wa
  >196. steven b. johnson, san diego, ca
  >197. tom trainor, seattle, wa
  >198. brad turner, seattle, wa
  >199. alphonce j. brown, jr., houston, tx
  >200. daniel r. zorn, houston, tx
  >201. margaret o'donnell, houston, tx
  >202. banghwa lee casado, houston, tx
  >203. peter v. nguyen, houston, tx
  >204. ann mckithan, houston, tx
  >205. geri davis, houston, tx
  >206. mark siskel, houston, tx
  >207. chris lewis, houston, tx
  >208. john l. alexander, los angeles, ca
  >209. john musser, san francisco, ca
  >210. greg birdsall, west hollywood, ca
  >211. brett klein, west hollywood, ca
  >212. ernst laurel, los angeles, ca
  >213. jenny campbell, west toluca lake, ca
  >214. lori korngiebel, los angeles, ca
  >215. julie s. gabler, los angeles, ca
  >216. ashley c. swanson, denton, tx
  >217. anne k. swanson, aurora, co
  >218. kelly d. gerald, miami beach, fl
  >219. elaine m. allen, miramar, fl
  >220. andrew briskin, hollywood, ca
  >221. austin foxxe, los angeles, ca
  >222. erica springer, west hollywood, ca
  >223. orly ravid, hollywood ca
  >224. ellen flanders, new york, ny
  >225. sasha darling, toronto on cda
  >226. robert paul, toronto, on, canada
  >227. kirk bryant, toronto, on, canada (u.s. & canadian citizen)
  >228. paul henrik borup-jorgensen bc, canada landed immigrant danish
  >citizen)
  >229. anders bjorn langelo, lyngby, denmark
  >230. benn lohse, ecmc secretary, denmark
  >231. rob scheers, mr. leather europe '98, antwerp
  >232. arthur rodel, berne, switzerland
  >233. stoeps meyer, ormalingen, switzerland
  >234. michael eadie,toronto, ontario, canada
  >235. mitchell bernard, toronto, ontario, canada
  >236. chris barton, bedminster, new jersey
  >237. matt cotton, plainfield, nj
  >238. brian azzarello, plainfield, nj
  >239. jim dobosiewicz, plainfield, nj
  >240. ronnie shumate, chicago, il
  >241. eric brusch, chicago, il
  >242. kent larson, alexandria, va
  >243. parry snow, alexandria, va
  >244. mark parker, washington, dc
  >245. mark uherek, washington, dc
  >246. amy swetanm euless, tx
  >247. cindy gage euless, tx
  >248. gordon byrne dallas, tx
  >249. louis bellner, toledo, oh
  >250. donald weiler, toledo, oh
  >251. william f. russell, placentia, ca
  >252. cynthia bennett, huntington beach, ca
  >253. diane robbins, ph.d., huntington beach, ca
  >254. nancy polites, newport beach, ca
  >255. mr. & mrs. ted bach, fountain valley, ca
  >256. mr. and mrs. mark stine, denver, co
  >257. randy mergler, bellvue, co
  >258. nancy rehe-arloski, bellvue, co
  >259. nancy wolf, phd, glide, or
  >260. linda hirsch, wichita, ks
  >261. robert harvey, tucson, az
  >262. william campbell, tucson, az
  >263. dan bryant, eugene, or
  >264. judi beard strubing, eugene, or
  >265. benjamin hunt, eugene.or
  >266. elizabeth lasalle, springfield, or
  >267. connie paddock, naperville, il.
  >268. chris brooks. san diego, california
  >269. john theodor, springfield, il
  >270. ricky manuel, springfield, il
  >271. lori dillman, decatur, il
  >272. sindy dixon,  carlinville, illinois
  >273. aimee said, sydney, australia
  >274. fran blackbourn, sydney, australia
  >275. nicole asquith, canberra, australia
  >276. john finn, melbourne, australia
  >277. cameron burgess, sydney, australia
  >278. kenn quayle, sydney, australia
  >279. henkjan van vliet, amsterdam, netherlands
  >280. samuel r. friedman, highland park, nj,usa
  >281. robert heimer, new haven, ct
  >282. elise riley, baltimore, md
  >283. mark steele, huntington beach, ca
  >284. john maness, laguna niguel, ca.
  >285. carey call, newport beach, ca
  >286. josh woodfin, huntington beach, ca
  >287. christina ly, irvine, ca
  >288. lien ly, irvine, ca
  >289. catherine deluca, corona, ca
  >290. travis hull, lake elsinore, ca
  >291. carolyn chaussee, helena, mt
  >292. andrea chaussee, miami, fl
  >293. michael johnson, miami, fl
  >294. jeff talley, denver co
  >295. shannon p. marti, denver co
  >296. s. maddrey
  >297. b. woolley
  >298.  a. finn, commonwealth of virginia
  >300. kathy meunier, richmond, virginia
  >301. linda kendall, richmond, virginia
  >302. lauren kendall, richmond, virginia
  >303.  geri mars, philadelphia, pa
  >304. pat hofrichter, santa clara, ca.
  >305. skip young, seattle, wa
  >306. robin mckinsey, tacoma, wa
  >307. salli lawrence, tacoma, wa
  >308. mike weckesser, tacoma, wa
  >309. jim hoppe, tacoma, wa
  >310. andy miller, gainesville, fl
  >311. louis garcia, tempe, az
  >312. christopher turner,  tempe, az
  >313. nariah broadus, ann arbor,mi
  >314. drew chadwick, ann arbor, mi
  >315. ameeta kalokhe, ann arbor, mi
  >316. shelly hundiwal, ann arbor, mi
  >317. david garcia, university of michigan, ann arbor, mi
  >318. laura garcia, chicago, il
  >319. holly stephens, chicago, il
  >320. laura foutch, minneapolis, mn
  >321. lisa pool, san francisco, ca
  >322. elisa larche-ciesla, johnston, ia
  >323. jillian grey, rock island il
  >324. kimberly whitney, charleston il
  >325. pamela duda, lansing il
  >326. charlie duda, lansing, il.
  >327. danielle sander, washington, il
  >328. liz molitor, peoria, il
    329. casey foulks, carmel, in


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date: sun, 24 oct 1999 13:53:18 edt
subject: fwd:  matthew shepherd laws...please read this!!
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it's not a chain letter...i'm forwarding it to the aol name at the top...this is really important to me...and it should be to all of you too...   -liz

please read the whole thing and don't kill this petition.
>if you  aren't  signing, forward this to allrunique@aol.com.
>if you don't forward it, the names signed may not count.

>on october 6, outside laramie, wyoming, matthew shepherd, a 21-year-old
university of wyoming student, was tortured, beaten, and left tied to a pole
in the freezing cold. six days later, he died  of his wounds in poudre
valley hospital, fort collins, colorado.matthew was murdered because he was
gay and because he was a prominent and charismatic member of the gay and
lesbian student group on campus.
right now wyoming and colorado have no anti-hate crime laws; the state
legislature in wyoming has voted down anti-bias bills for each of the past
three years. there is an effort in wyoming and colorado to enact matthew
shepard laws,which would strongly punish the perpetrators of hate crimes.
this petition demands the broadening of federal anti-hate crime ban.

opening statement: "we state strongly that violence on the basis of sexual
orientation, race or gender is wrong, is evil, is reprehensible."  john
buehren, president of the unitarian universalist speaks for unitarian
universalists, but his words are reflected in the hearts of people
everywhere who believe we must speak out, take action against, and condemn
hate crimes in all their ugly forms. a resolution follows:

>whereas: we affirm and promote the inherent worth and dignity of every
person.

>whereas: we commend the efforts of those individuals who dedicate their
lives to causes of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness.

>therefore be it resolved: that we hereby urge the passage of the hate
crimes prevention act (hcpa), h.r.3081 and s.1529. the hate crimes
prevention act (hcpa), h.r.3081 and s.1529, would amend current federal law
(which permits federal prosecution of a hate crime only if the crime was
motivated by bias based on religion, national origin, or color) to include
real or perceived sexual orientation, gender, and disability so the fbi
would be able to investigate and prosecute violent hate crimes against gays,
lesbians, and bisexuals. under this bill, hate crimes that cause death or
bodily injury because of prejudice can be investigated federally, regardless
of whether the victim was exercising a federally protected right.

>the only way that our representatives can be aware of the base of support
or this change to the current law is by making our voices heard. please add
your name to this petition and forward it, to then be forwarded to the
president of the united states; the vice president of the united states; and
our united states senators and house members.

>petition management:
>1.   this petition is being passed around the internet. please add your
name to it so that we can have tougher laws against all hate crimes. please
keep the petition rolling. do not reply to me. please sign and forward to
others to sign. this is being forwarded to several people at once to add
their names. it will not matter if many people receive the same list as the
names are being managed.

>2.  if you print out this petition for circulation and signing, please
email the listing of names with locations to the email address:
allrunique@aol.com (n email address created to receive this> petition).
include a note to indicate you have a hand-signed petition and include the
number of names listed.
>3.  if you happen to be the 50th, 100th, 150th,200th, 250th, (...) name on
this petition, please forward a copy to the above address.
>
>4.  if you sign, please pass it on to others. if not, please do not  kill
it.  send it on to the email address: allrunique@aol.com
thank you,
leslie palmer

i cannot stay silent, my outrage and compassion will not allow. add a number
and sign at the bottom of this list.
>
>1. leslie palmer, jacksonville, fl
>2. stephen silverman, south burlington, vt> >
>3. wayne arnason
>4. theo diamond, charlottesville, va
>5. sasha kopf, northampton, ma / princeton, nj
>6. geoffrey b. metz, tufts univ., medford, ma
>7. emily sporl, tufts university, medford, ma
>8. tai collins, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
>9. danielle lazarin, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
>10. priscilla morales, yale university, new haven, ct
>11. lydia pace, yale university, new haven, ct
>12. julia goren, williams college, williamstown, ma
>13. jamie waxman, columbia university
>14. rebecca zimmerman, columbia university, ny
>15. ariel meyerstein, columbia university, ny
>16. aaron finkel, university of missouri-columbia, mo
>17. sally noedel, truman state univ., kirksville, mo
>18. kim cook, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
>19. molly mitchell, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
>20. jeremy schwab, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
>21. aaron manheim, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
>22. rebecca pronsky, oberlin college, oberlin, oh
>23. rebecca milburn, wesleyan univ., middletown, ct
>24. christene dejong, wesleyan univ., middletown, ct
>25. lisa lapman, wellesley college, wellesley, ma
>26. julia sussner, wellesley college, ma
>27. adrian dellecker, trinity college, ct
>28. sarah mullen, trinity college, ct
>29. phu thai, university of rhode island, kingston, ri
>30. leigh phillips, wheaton college, norton, ma
>31. dominic rozzi, ithaca college, ithaca, ny
>32. matthew small, heidelburg college, tiffin oh
>33. linda roach, ithaca college, ithaca, ny
>34. julian halliday, schlumberger as, columbus, oh
>35. elizabeth wohler, university of virginia, charlottesville, va
>36. susan gordon, university of virginia, charlottesville, va
>37. heidi cook, vassar college, poughkeepsie, ny
>38. ariel spira-cohen, vassar college, poughkeepsie, ny
>39. kerry maxwell, hamilton college, clinton, ny
>40. emma mclaren, hamilton college, clinton, ny
>41. michelle marsidi, brown university, providence, ri
>42. eliana garcia, connecticut college, new london, ct
>43. jaime viola, farmington, ct
>44. ryan ihrke, luther college, decorah, ia
>45. perry-o sliwa, luther college, decorah, ia
>46. gui dall'stella, new york, ny
>47. abdul knowles, dain rauscher inc.
>48. gerry petersen, st. ansgar schools, st. ansgar, ia
>49. lori hagen, luther college, decorah, ia
>50. jennifer kirking, prairie du chien, wi
>51. regina check, prairie du chien, wisconsin
>52. sarah guidotti, duquesne university, pittsburgh, pa
>53. camella dimitri, tulane university, new orleans, la
>54. c.m.ralph, redwood city, ca
>55. sarah e. tigerman, redwood city, ca
>56. karen r zachow, san francisco, ca
>57. sara jorde, minneapolis, mn
>58. don sommers, minneapolis, mn
>59. shawn allison, st. paul, mn
>60. christine cucciarre, cleveland, oh
>61. frank cucciarre, cleveland, oh
>62. karen jewell-kett, cleveland, oh
>63. ronald l. buford, cleveland, oh
>64. david s. slobodien, dc., west hollywood, ca.
>65. patrick casey, md, los angeles, ca
>66. cristian cifuentes, west hollywood, ca
>67. gary jimenez, montebello, ca
>68. paige van riper, playa del rey, ca
>69. helena delu, altadena, ca
>70. edward e. boughton iii, ventura ca
>71. edward mitchell, los angeles ca
>72. monica mitchell, los angeles, ca
>73. jack shih, los angeles, ca
>74. eva aguilera, los angeles, ca
>75. natasha gerasimova, venice, ca
>76. andreas sengebusch, encino, ca
>77. melissa ruggeri, studio city, ca
>78. mary bredlau, dallas tx
>79. l.a.ragland, dallas, tx
>80. jackie mcshane, dallas, tx
>81. richard clayton, dallas, tx
>82. tammi d.baker, houston, tx
>83. adam glick, boston, ma
>84. jeremy glick, greenwich, ct
>85. stacey smith, new canaan, ct
>86. robin bouvier, boxborough, ma
>87. kari rusing, norwalk, ct
>88. melissa brown, washington, dc
>89. tanya burrwell, washington, dc
>90. alberto figueroa-garcia, washington, dc
>91. charlie buquet, santa cruz, ca
>92. tracy ballard, santa cruz, ca
>93. marcus kettles, nyc, ny
>94. paul pecorino, nyc, ny
>95. jamie sanford, gainesville, fl
>96. beryl firestone, tampa, fl
>97. ryan goldenberg, tampa, fl
>98. david niersbach, richmond, in
>99. sara parliament, richmond, in
>100. erin walker, colorado state university, fort collins, co
>101. amber armstrong, colorado springs, co
>102. ginger kite, colorado springs, co
>103. matt joiner, boulder, co
>104. anya domlesky, portland, or
>105. caitlin carlson, portland, or
>106. janel wright, portland, ore.
>107. charlene ongelungel, portland, or
>108. muranda brooker, portland, or
>109. tera cushman, portlant or
>110. rachel greenough, portland, or
>111. stephanie nicora, pebble beach, ca
>112. julie goetzen, san diego, ca
>113. dana ung, san diego, ca
>114. sirena ung, san diego, ca
>115. keri laprise, templeton, ma
>116. jared graves, otter river, ma
>117. amanda legay, fitchburg , ma
>118. joshua berg, west bloomfield mi
>119. michael canner, west bloomfield mi
>120. anna peterson, west bloomfield, mi
>121. lindsay mcfedries, bloomfield hills, mi
>122. kathleen jimbo, west bloomfield, mi
>123. justine yeung, beverly hills, mi
>124. j. blaine piraneo, manalapan, nj
>125. timothy arnold, colonia, nj
>126. sara okun, linden, nj
>127. steven rosete woodbridge, va
>128. carolyne williams, fairfax station, va
>129. lauren shelton, fairfax station, va
>130. john h. beyer iv, chicago, il.
>131. kathy bianchi, chicago, il
>132. ed garza, chicago, il
>133. jonathan "bumper" carroll, chicago, il
>134. gillian vigman, chicago, il
>135. ann gradman, ny
>136. gary mcdonnell, ny
>137. craig retchless, nyc, ny
>138. valerie l. retchless, syracuse, ny
>139. anna meade
>140. christopher walton
>141. jennifer moe, eugene, or
>142. shannon bond, seattle, wa
>143. karen malia list, seattle,wa
>144. kim miskowicz, sf, ca
>145. shayne spaulding, sf, ca
>146. tiela chalmers, sf, ca
>147. paul nemrow, sf, ca
>148. allen sabourin, sf, ca
>149. jim sherrill, sf, ca
>150. thom mcdaniel, houston, tx
>151. enrique gonalez, houston, tx
>152. will browne, moraga, ca
>153. ken nicholas, nashville, tn.
>154. keifer meeks, nasvhille, tn
>155. vincent wix, nashville, tn
>156. jim harper, nashville, tn
>157. rick deslover, nashville, tn
>158. kayte watts, portland,or
>159. jeff hays, portland, or
>160. jennifer fowler, vancouver, wa
>161. amy n. haight, vancouver, wa
>162. claire colleen rourk, vancouver, wa
>163. kevin schumacher, medina, oh
>164. anthony d'amato, brick, nj
>165. giancarlo durland, long branch, new jersey.
>166. eric sharp, los angeles, california
>167. alyssa boyle, los angeles, ca
>168. gene michael barrera, los angeles, ca
>169. karen sperling, new york, n.y.
>170. vicki temkin, encino, ca
>171. david skernick. west hills, ca
>172. tony donaldson, sherman oaks, ca
>173. 183} julie gengo, san diego, ca
>174. carolyn gengo di domenico, ny, ny
>175. fabio girelli-carasi, new york, ny
>176. armando rotondi, pittsburgh, pa
>177. jim & caroline grindrod madison wi
>178. david grindrod, madison wi
>179. emily engelland wilson, huntington, wv
>180. paula choquette rachal, huntington, wv
>181. robert tyler rachal, huntington, wv
>182. s. scott hunter, parkersburg, wv
>183. wendell n. gibbs, jr., cincinnati, oh
>184. lisa r. hughes, cincinnati, oh
>185. sue freedman, cincinnati, oh
>186. milton l. freiberg
>187. ed flesch, san francisco, ca
>188. robyn breiman, cincinnati, oh
>189. leslie cannon, cincinnati, oh
>190. elizabeth m. levy, cincinnati, oh
>191. dolores d. galloway, denver, co
>192. joe & millie everett, toronto, on
>193. brad cafarelli, west hollywood, ca
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>194. marc hulett, marina del rey, ca
>195. tim tomlinson, seattle, wa
>196. steven b. johnson, san diego, ca
>197. tom trainor, seattle, wa
>198. brad turner, seattle, wa
>199. alphonce j. brown, jr., houston, tx
>200. daniel r. zorn, houston, tx
>201. margaret o'donnell, houston, tx
>202. banghwa lee casado, houston, tx
>203. peter v. nguyen, houston, tx
>204. ann mckithan, houston, tx
>205. geri davis, houston, tx
>206. mark siskel, houston, tx
>207. chris lewis, houston, tx
>208. john l. alexander, los angeles, ca
>209. john musser, san francisco, ca
>210. greg birdsall, west hollywood, ca
>211. brett klein, west hollywood, ca
>212. ernst laurel, los angeles, ca
>213. jenny campbell, west toluca lake, ca
>214. lori korngiebel, los angeles, ca
>215. julie s. gabler, los angeles, ca
>216. ashley c. swanson, denton, tx
>217. anne k. swanson, aurora, co
>218. kelly d. gerald, miami beach, fl
>219. elaine m. allen, miramar, fl
>220. andrew briskin, hollywood, ca
>221. austin foxxe, los angeles, ca
>222. erica springer, west hollywood, ca
>223. orly ravid, hollywood ca
>224. ellen flanders, new york, ny
>225. sasha darling, toronto on cda
>226. robert paul, toronto, on, canada
>227. kirk bryant, toronto, on, canada (u.s. & canadian citizen)
>228. paul henrik borup-jorgensen bc, canada landed immigrant danish
>citizen)
>229. anders bjorn langelo, lyngby, denmark
>230. benn lohse, ecmc secretary, denmark
>231. rob scheers, mr. leather europe '98, antwerp
>232. arthur rodel, berne, switzerland
>233. stoeps meyer, ormalingen, switzerland
>234. michael eadie,toronto, ontario, canada
>235. mitchell bernard, toronto, ontario, canada
>236. chris barton, bedminster, new jersey
>237. matt cotton, plainfield, nj
>238. brian azzarello, plainfield, nj
>239. jim dobosiewicz, plainfield, nj
>240. ronnie shumate, chicago, il
>241. eric brusch, chicago, il
>242. kent larson, alexandria, va
>243. parry snow, alexandria, va
>244. mark parker, washington, dc
>245. mark uherek, washington, dc
>246. amy swetanm euless, tx
>247. cindy gage euless, tx
>248. gordon byrne dallas, tx
>249. louis bellner, toledo, oh
>250. donald weiler, toledo, oh
>251. william f. russell, placentia, ca
>252. cynthia bennett, huntington beach, ca
>253. diane robbins, ph.d., huntington beach, ca
>254. nancy polites, newport beach, ca
>255. mr. & mrs. ted bach, fountain valley, ca
>256. mr. and mrs. mark stine, denver, co
>257. randy mergler, bellvue, co
>258. nancy rehe-arloski, bellvue, co
>259. nancy wolf, phd, glide, or
>260. linda hirsch, wichita, ks
>261. robert harvey, tucson, az
>262. william campbell, tucson, az
>263. dan bryant, eugene, or
>264. judi beard strubing, eugene, or
>265. benjamin hunt, eugene.or
>266. elizabeth lasalle, springfield, or
>267. connie paddock, naperville, il.
>268. chris brooks. san diego, california
>269. john theodor, springfield, il
>270. ricky manuel, springfield, il
>271. lori dillman, decatur, il
>272. sindy dixon,  carlinville, illinois
>273. aimee said, sydney, australia
>274. fran blackbourn, sydney, australia
>275. nicole asquith, canberra, australia
>276. john finn, melbourne, australia
>277. cameron burgess, sydney, australia
>278. kenn quayle, sydney, australia
>279. henkjan van vliet, amsterdam, netherlands
>280. samuel r. friedman, highland park, nj,usa
>281. robert heimer, new haven, ct
>282. elise riley, baltimore, md
>283. mark steele, huntington beach, ca
>284. john maness, laguna niguel, ca.
>285. carey call, newport beach, ca
>286. josh woodfin, huntington beach, ca
>287. christina ly, irvine, ca
>288. lien ly, irvine, ca
>289. catherine deluca, corona, ca
>290. travis hull, lake elsinore, ca
>291. carolyn chaussee, helena, mt
>292. andrea chaussee, miami, fl
>293. michael johnson, miami, fl
>294. jeff talley, denver co
>295. shannon p. marti, denver co
>296. s. maddrey
>297. b. woolley
>298.  a. finn, commonwealth of virginia
>300. kathy meunier, richmond, virginia
>301. linda kendall, richmond, virginia
>302. lauren kendall, richmond, virginia
>303.  geri mars, philadelphia, pa
>304. pat hofrichter, santa clara, ca.
>305. skip young, seattle, wa
>306. robin mckinsey, tacoma, wa
>307. salli lawrence, tacoma, wa
>308. mike weckesser, tacoma, wa
>309. jim hoppe, tacoma, wa
>310. andy miller, gainesville, fl
>311. louis garcia, tempe, az
>312. christopher turner,  tempe, az
>313. nariah broadus, ann arbor,mi
>314. drew chadwick, ann arbor, mi
>315. ameeta kalokhe, ann arbor, mi
>316. shelly hundiwal, ann arbor, mi
>317. david garcia, university of michigan, ann arbor, mi
>318. laura garcia, chicago, il
>319. holly stephens, chicago, il
>320. laura foutch, minneapolis, mn
>321. lisa pool, san francisco, ca
>322. elisa larche-ciesla, johnston, ia
>323. jillian grey, rock island il
>324. kimberly whitney, charleston il
>325. pamela duda, lansing il
>326. charlie duda, lansing, il.
>327. danielle sander, washington, il
>328. liz molitor, peoria, il

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date:         sun, 24 oct 1999 13:41:59 pdt
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i was under the impression that e-petitions were not valid...i've been told
repeatedly that they have no official value and can not be entered into
official record or something like that...does anyone out there know if this
is true?

rugbygrrl

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date:         sun, 24 oct 1999 14:09:21 -0700
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does anyone (and i'm sure everyone does:-) know the name of the song that
goes "so take the first shot baby it'll be real clean" i know i know it but
i just can't remember it for some reason. thanks in advance........bron

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it comes from "don't give that girl a gun" from the sots cd


on sun, 24 oct 1999, bronwen besso-smith wrote:

> does anyone (and i'm sure everyone does:-) know the name of the song that
> goes "so take the first shot baby it'll be real clean" i know i know it but
> i just can't remember it for some reason. thanks in advance........bron
>
>
>
>
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>
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>    at this instance all is now, in a moment all will be then, you just never
> know what's gonna happen - ember swift
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"dont give that girl a gun" from shmaing of the sun

--- bronwen besso-smith
<bronwen_besso-smith@sunshine.net> wrote:
> does anyone (and i'm sure everyone does:-) know the
> name of the song that
> goes "so take the first shot baby it'll be real
> clean" i know i know it but
> i just can't remember it for some reason. thanks in
> advance........bron
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>    at this instance all is now, in a moment all will
> be then, you just never
> know what's gonna happen - ember swift
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whether or not the petition is valid (i don't partake 'cause they're dead
easy to fake - both their origins and all them names.)

the house and senate have already agreed to drop from a spending bill the
provision that would have expanded federal hate-crime laws to include acts
motivated by the victims sexual orientation, disability or sex.

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hey all...i just wanna say thanks for the many many private respones i've
recieved about my q...i am not enlightened :-)) bron

  and if i hear one more time about a fool's right to his tools of rage, i'm
gonna take all my friends and i'm going to move to canada and we're going to
die of old age - ani difranco

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>hey all...i just wanna say thanks for the many many private respones i've
>recieved about my q...i am not enlightened :-)) bron
>
>
>ack...that should read " i am * now* enlightened.....

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hey guys i'm back!

you wont believe my weekend. i will try to make it short.........

me and two friends, left thursday night to our 14 hour road trip from
pembroke pines, florida to athens. that night we didn't get enough driving
done because of the rain. so friday morning we woke up early for a very long
road trip.

finally at 5:30pm we get to athens only to find out that every hotel is sold
out because of the homecoming football game! you have no idea how desperate i
wanted to take a shower and get dressed to see my favorite girls!

so after about an hour or so we got lucky and found a hotel with a
cancellation. $110 a night! (fine book us and give us the key!) cha ching to
the credit card.

so here we are 3 girls and one bathroom! we storm out of there rush to the
coliseum, try to sell an extra ticket i had (no luck). i couldn't even give
it away! and walked in to the opening act shawn mullin.

our seats were on the floor section towards the back. well, finally, the ig
come out and let's just say wow! one of the best concerts i've been to. we
rushed up stage with first row view for about 3 songs. they played about the
same set that everybody was talking about.

each song required a new guitar switch and the combination of the new/old was
a nice twist. they are though playing more of their old songs. they dropped
sister, andy.....
when the new band left them just them two and their acoustic guitars the
crowd went wild. i never seen so many fans sing every lyrics to about almost
each song.

wardrobe..........same as everybody has been talking about. amy long sleeve
black flower/stirpe shirt black nylon pants. emily, blue camouflage pants
black shirt, glitter make up.

amy told everybody that she had a bad cold that she has been fighting for 5
days and that she took some medicine for it. she said that the lights were
starting to look like monsters! cute! her voice was maybe a little deeper.
she thank us for singing all the songs, especially the hard parts *she was
impressed*.

so back to our fancy hotel room for a good night sleep. next morning we had a
9 hour drive. we got a bit lost but we somehow managed to be on track. we
were a bit nervous and anxious because it was a standing room concert on the
main floor at the hard rock live in orlando. therefore the earlier you get
there the better position you are going to get.

so we made good time and got there about a little before 5pm. we stop to
check in to a hotel. (orlando has 1000s of rooms available.) and  guess what?
you would not believe this.... every f****ing room is booked up that weekend
because.... senior olympics, tiger woods, nurse convention, chiropractor,
prostate, octoberfest etc. you name it and it was happening.

so here we are..... in orlando, tied, no room, and the concert is only 2hours
away. traffic on top of it all was truly unbearable. so i put my little
thinking cap on and i told my friends that we need to make the best of the
situation.

i told them to grab what they we going to wear and put it in bag black bag
that i was carrying. i drove up to a nice big holiday inn and proceeded to
the ladies rest room. in the bag i had towels and soap and you got it. we
took a bath using water from the sink with a cup.

20 minutes later we are off to universal studios. the walk is a
realllllllllly looooooooonnnng one. i have multiple sclerosis (ms) so when i
need to walk a lot i need a cane. no fun!

we finally get there and the line is from the door down to cuba. (at least it
seems) but at least we were there on time. there were selling beers while you
waited and boy did we needed one!

so the doors open and we are in. only a few feet from the stage. now standing
for a long period on time is a bit hard on me. but i used up all my energy
and motivation to make it thru the whole night. i lose my balance a lot but
with all these people around me there was no way i was going to fall.

to my surprise michelle malone opened up. i never seen her but i always heard
a lot about her. people loved her but she did a whole show (almost an hour)
and people were getting upset waiting for the girls.

i met a lot of nice people. the ig girls were wearing the same thing except
emily was all in black. (different pants.) my friends were shocked that they
had the same clothes. i just smiled and said that they are just simple people
with good hearts :)

they actually played "thin line?" there is a thin line between love and hate
off the live cd that i never heard them sing before.

the song list was different from the last show which made it special. they
even played "tried to be true"! a real crowd pleaser.

amy actually at one point briefly grabbed her crotch! the few that caught it
went wild! someone yelled for her to play "blood and fire" and she smiled and
politely replied that she tried the other day to remember it but she cant.
she said "you know that was 10 years ago!" smiling.

during one of songs they brought out michelle and they sang "wild horses." it
was mostly michelle and amy. and if you asked me emily seemed a little upset
that she didn't get to sing a verse (only back vocals).

so the show was awesome! we left and decided to just drive back home in the
middle of the night (3 1/2 hours) away since we didn't have a room to go back
to. it took a lot of energy and 1600 miles of driving for two great shows.

my last and best impression is that a young girl leaving the athens show was
driving a car filled with ig stickers. on the back of her car this is what it
said:
    "who are the indigo girls, and why do they keep following me?"

thanks for sharing the moment!
marie

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hey folks,

this is forwarded from the news-only list...

-sherlyn

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>from: "rachel rivera" <medmag11@earthlink.net>
>subject: [ig-news] article in the voice, dallas, tx
>date: sat, 23 oct 1999 12:37:27 -0500
>
>here is an article and album review as posted in the voice, 10-22-99.
>published without permission . it can also be found at www.dallasvoice.com
>
>indigo girls get social
>
>musician, lesbian activist emily saliers discusses her band's new cd,
>plight of gay youth, texas' death row
>
>
>
>by bradley david, contributing writer
>
>life on the road never gets old for emily saliers.
>
>"i do enjoy it," says the red-headed half of the now-legendary folk rock
>duo known as the indigo girls. "usually we play a show and then we get on
>the bus. the band and amy [ray, her brunette counterpart] and i get along
>really well, so we either play scrabble together or we listen to cds or we
>just chit chat or watch a movie. then we usually arrive in the next city in
>the middle of the night and we get out and go to the hotel. bus life is
>like a little cocoon - it's like having a little family."
>
>the lesbian icons are currently touring in support of their new album come
>on now social that has been lauded by critics as edgier and more
>rock-oriented than their seven previous albums.
>
>"i don't see it as a vast departure, but i can see how people think it's a
>little more rocking," says saliers. "it's got more electric guitar on it
>overall than in the past records, but it also has a couple of songs that
>are appalachian in vibe, it's got some celtic to it, it's got a couple of
>straight-up ballads and some mid-tempo love songs, so i think it's pretty
>diverse."
>
>saliers and ray released their first album in 1987 while still students at
>emory university. the two had been friends, growing up together in atlanta,
>since the ages of nine and 10 (saliers is now 36 and ray is 35) and began
>performing together in high school. just out of college, they signed with
>epic records. in 1989, their major label debut, indigo girls (featuring
>their biggest hit to date, "closer to fine") went double platinum and
>earned them the grammy award for best contemporary folk group.
>
>while the indigos always had a major lesbian following, emily was a little
>slower than amy in publicly coming out.
>
>"early on, i just had some fears," she explains. "i just didn't want us to
>be thought of as a 'gay band' and didn't want to be held back. i was
>younger then and it was just adolescent fear."
>
>in 1993, they appeared at the march on washington, performing a haunting a
>capella version of the simon and garfunkel classic "american tune."
>
>"i remember walking up that scaffolding [to the stage] thinking i was about
>to throw up because i was so nervous," says saliers. "then i remember the
>power of that gathering of people - it was very moving. i remember being
>honored that we were asked to perform there, and i remember being
>completely empowered by the experience and just wanting to get back and be
>a gay rights activist as much as possible."
>
>part of that activism has been working with gay youth. in the liner notes
>of the new album is a list of the indigos' favorite organizations,
>including youth pride, an atlanta-based support group for gay and lesbian
>teens.
>
>"yeah, youth pride is a great group," says saliers. "you know, so many
>young gay people feel so isolated and hopeless and they're tormented and
>beaten up. . . so youth pride is really important for young gay people and
>for other people to understand what young gay people go through."
>
>the indigo girls contributed a track for a record benefiting the group and
>distributes youth pride literature at concerts.
>
>"we have a resource table at our shows every night, and groups can come and
>present their literature," she explains. "they can have a representative
>from their group there so that people milling around the lobby can get to
>know some of these groups."
>
>last year, the indigos found themselves in the middle of a controversy when
>several scheduled high school appearances in south carolina were canceled
>because of a few homophobic parents.
>
>"what happened was, we set up a whole string of high school shows that were
>all free, and we were just going to go in and play and do a
>question-and-answer session about music and the music business," she says.
>"it was supposed to be just encouragement for the arts, because so much of
>the arts funding had been cut in high schools."
>
>at the first show, amy used the f word as it is written in her song "shame
>on you."
>
>"a few parents found out that we were coming to their [kids'] high school
>and, because we're gay, objected to us playing, and then the principal
>tried to use the fact that amy had used profanity as the reason why the
>show was being canceled, when in fact it was pure homophobia," she says.
>
>in a domino effect, almost all of the high schools canceled their
>appearances. but that didn't stop emily and amy.
>
>"what we did was, we just went into the towns and booked small venues and
>all the kids who wanted to come to the show got to see us anyway," she
>says. "there was a press conference, and none of the parents who opposed us
>being there came to have a dialogue about it. we invited the dialogue and
>it never happened. it was just amazing how a very few bigoted people could
>derail something that was meant with the purest of intentions."
>
>saliers says she and ray were political even before they were musicians.
>
>"i come from a political family," she says. "i was born in connecticut - my
>dad was a professor at yale - and there was a lot of political activity
>surrounding the war and the civil rights movement and my parents were good
>liberals. as soon as amy and i were playing together, we were doing
>benefits for greenpeace and community shelters and things like that. . .
>even if we weren't in music, we would be activists. this was just a way for
>us to use our vocations to give back. it's just a natural thing - it's no
>big deal."
>
>one of their many causes is abolishing the death penalty. the final track
>of the new album is a song ray wrote about karla faye tucker, who on
>february 3, 1998 became the first woman to be executed by the state of
>texas since the civil war.
>
>"i think amy was just particularly struck by how everybody used [tucker] as
>a pawn in the battle for their cause," she says. "you had the church,
>because [tucker] became a born-again christian, you had anti-death penalty
>people, you had pro-death penalty people, and of course the involvement of
>governor george w. bush, who i'm not a big fan of - he's anti-gay anyway. .
>. so there was just this whole furor and here's a woman's life that's
>caught in the midst of all that. the song is about what it all means and
>how in the end we couldn't just overcome being cruel."
>
>saliers says people still mistakenly assume that she and amy are
>girlfriends "even though we've done a million interviews explaining how we
>never have been and never will be."
>
>the two are both currently in relationships, but saliers says their
>girlfriends don't travel much with them on tour. "they have their own
>lives," she says.
>
>asked if the indigo girls will still be satisfying their loyal audiences 20
>years from now, saliers is taken aback.
>
>"i hope i'm still alive in 20 years," she jokes. "no, amy and i will still
>be friends and we'll probably still be doing something together. i think
>we're just bound for life."
>
>the indigo girls perform on thursday at 8 p.m. at the bronco bowl, 2600
>fort worth ave. tickets $31.75-$36.75. 214-943-1777. 972-660-8300.
>

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>from another list i'm on - read on for minimal ig/amy content, but the
article is interesting anyway.

elaine
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the washington post
sunday, october 24, 1999; page g05

mired in eye-glazing technical language and first amendment
rhetoric, the low-power fm radio licensing issue is finally
getting a little rock-and-roll sexiness.

indigo girls, bonnie raitt, jackson browne, minutemen-founder
mike watt, jenny toomey (of simple machines and tsunami) and
indie rocker archer prewitt have joined a grass-roots movement
backing a federal communications commission proposal to license
100- and 1,000-watt radio stations to private individuals. if the
proposal
becomes law, a record collector could, for instance, get
a low-power license to broadcast his vinyl selection over a
several-block area, or an inner-city health organization could broadcast
safe-sex announcements in spanish to nearby neighborhoods.

the idea is being pushed by fcc chairman william kennard, who
believes the proposal would increase minority and noncorporate
voices on the airwaves. corporate broadcasters--which own most
major radio stations--oppose the idea, fearing that the low-power
stations
will bleed into their frequencies. the argument will eventually be
settled
by whoever has the most persuasive
engineering reports.

pushing the cause has been a coalition of illegally operating
"pirate" broadcasters, community radio advocates and folks who
are just plain tired of corporate radio. now they are joined by
a handful of activist performers.

"radio waves are a natural resource, and they belong to the people, but
just like other natural resources, corporations will stop at nothing to
gain control of the airwaves for their sole financial gain," said indigo
girl amy ray in a statement.

the performers have declared oct. 14 through today "left off the
dial: 10 days for low power fm." concerts performed during this
period haven't been benefits officially, though some money has
been raised for the low power radio coalition, an advocacy group.
instead,
the performers have dedicated these shows to promoting
the low-power fm cause.

the fcc will receive public comments on the issue through early
next month. there is no timetable for a decision, an fcc spokesman said.
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hey folks,

this article was posted to the newsgroup...

-sherlyn


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from: indigoskies@hotmail.com
subject: cons review 'the advocate' nov. issue
date: sun, 24 oct 1999 01:52:05 gmt

copied totally without permission from the new november 'advocate'.
all typos are proudly my own.  (just a picture of the cd):

"feeling social"
a more hook-minded cd from lilith fair faves indigo girls includes a
host of guest performers  by dean buckley

considering that the indigo girls have eight albums under their belt,
one might pretty well know what to expect from their latest effort-
strong melodies, tight harmonies, and acoustic janglings with a
smattering of electric guitar.  amy ray and emily saliers will probably
again trade off lead vocals and songwriting; they'll alternate between
ray's husky canting and the tight chirp of saliers, which keeps things
fresh and varied.  the duo's lyrics will invoke a strong appreciation
and simultaneous wariness of the south, and like ani difranco, the two
will remind listeners of the power of folk music in passing along
traditions, honoring their forebears, and questioning the status quo.
'come on now social' fulfills all expectations and throws a few twist
in as well, mostly by the grace of the guest musicians.  joan osborne
lends backing vocals on many tracks, including the propulsive album
opener 'go'; sheryl crow, me'shell ndegeocello, and luscious jackson
drummer kate schellenbach all contribute their instuments and vocals
here and there.
moreover, longtime sinead o'connor collaborator john reynolds
coproduces the set and plays drums, providing more percussive color
than ray and saliers are accustomed to.  natacha atlas even adds her
middle eastern wailing to the otherwise celtic-flavored album
closer, "faye tucker."  their friends' touches prove that the duo is
not as predictable as we thought- and quite capable of new tricks.
still, one of the album's truly satisfying moments comes when saliers
sings the hidden track "philosophy of loss," a plaintive piano-and-
guitar tune on one of her favorite topics, questioning the intentions
of organized religion.  it's so beautiful one can't help but wish there
were more such plain, unadorned moments on the record.

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hey folks,

another one from the newgroup... please direct any responses
to the original sender at bhobbs@infoware.com, not to me...

-sherlyn

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subject: austin:  i trade 10/27 tkts for your 10/26 tkts?
date: thu, 21 oct 1999 11:38:11 -0500

greetings;

i've been reading this newsgroup in the shadows for a while.  it's been
amusing so far.  now, tho, i need some help.

i have two general-admission tickets to the indigo girls concert on wed. the
27th at the backyard.  problem is, i can't go.  i can go to the tues. night,
26th concert.

does anyone have tuesday night tickets they'd be willing to trade for my
wed-night tickets?  i'd really hate to miss them, especially with all the
glowing reviews i've seen on this newsgroup.

thanks much,
brian

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having recently re-watched the old version of "the haunting," i couldn't
help but think that theodora (theo) wanted eleanor (nell) in a big, bad way.
damn! there was some very strange fire happening at hill house.

det. munch


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well, zipadeedodah ladies and gentlemen, i now definitely feel a part of the
'out' community as my gf and i survived our first hate crime.  nice big ol'
chunk of metal through the rear windshield of our little red civic about 1am
last night.  could be random, but we're doubtin' it, since we (the car, that
is) were egged a few weeks ago, and no one else was.  and we live in a
*good* part of town.  like there is one.  took the police 90 minutes to
respond - which is unusual in that they're usually pretty quick.  i'd like
to think that his coming so late was a coincidence, but, i'm thinking he saw
that 'possible hate crime against gays' thing on the report, and chose to
take his time, though once he arrived he was quite nice and sympathetic, and
even said he might get prints off the big metal thingy (i'll hold my breath
in anticipation.)

makes me wanna go out and buy a big rainbow sticker with 'celebrate
diversity' on it and put it on my bumper just for the hell of it.  big ol'
smiley face and stuff.  a friend asked if we wanted to borrow her 9mm.  i
said no, i'd just like to sit whoever did it down, and make 'em watch us
kiss.

so anyhow, we're okay and all.  could've been a lot worse i know.  at least
nothing was stolen, which really would've sucked because my 2 cd wallets
were in the car with an entire catalog of ig.  if they really wanted to get
me, they should've taken that.  what really kills me is that these people
think they're accomplishing anything.  i mean, it's a minor inconvenience.
it's not costing me anything, except the time to vacuum.  it's not like i'm
gonna move.  or turn around and say, "gee honey, we're wrong and i can't see
you anymore." yeah.  right.  if anything it makes me want to be even more
out and more vocal.  stupid idiots.  mean people truly do suck.

i have to say, one of my best friends is a straight male, a widower with 2
young kids, and i think he was angrier than i was.  it was like he was ready
to kill whoever did it.  gotta love people who stick by ya.

-tara

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is there a place to get the music to philosophy of loss, leeds, anything
emily has written on piano??  those two mainly.  i want to play them since i
can't play the guitar!

thanks,
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hey y'all-

i have an extra ticket to tuesday's austin show.  if ya want it, let me know
. . .thanks!

tay

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well i am about to pass out from lack of sleep
i was just wondering if anyone was going to the ani concert tomorrow night at
iu. its gonna rock! i will be wearing a flower print indian fabric sort of
skirt thing, a off-white tank top, and an off-white button up sweater with a
hood, and either a light blue, or white bandanna. also my hair will be
crimped... so if you see me or whatever, just say hi. i won't bite i swear.
row 16 section b baby!!
see ya!

casey

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has anyone figured out the chords for sister or we are together???   please
email me with those chords if anyone has them!!!  thanks

sandy

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i just saw "boys don't cry" and it's a shattering
movie.  it is based on the teena brandon story about
the woman in neb. that was killed after some
associates found out she was pretending to
be a guy so she could date women.

the movie that it reminds me of is "sling blade" and
if you've ever heard the tracy chapman song "for my
lover" it echoes that as well.  recently, i listed
some of my favorite lesbian films and this one goes
to the top of the list.  i recommend it highly!

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just wanted to thank ya'll for your kind notes following my window smashing
incident.  it's truly nice to be amongst such kind friends.

love ya'll,
tara

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tara <telane@trigon.com> said...

>>i'd just like to sit whoever did it down, and make 'em watch us
>>kiss.

you go grrl!!   that's the right attitude!!


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hi everyone.  just thought i'd let you know that ig tickets for the
milwaukee show don't go on sale until next monday, november 1.  someone was
misinformed.  so please, don't call today.  give the poor guy a break.  he
sounded really hassled but still managed to be civil.


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hey everyone,

this was from sunday's edition of the san francisco chronicle.  thought
you might be interested.

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    (10-24) 14:34 pdt lynchburg, va. (ap) -- the rev. jerry falwell,
the moral majority founder long known for his strong condemnation of
homosexuality, on sunday brought a message of god's love to 200 gay
christians invited into his church.

    falwell's sermon was the culmination of a weekend forum designed to
reduce violence against gays and christians. it was led by falwell and
gay minister mel white, an author from california who ghost-wrote
falwell's autobiography before revealing his homosexuality.

    "his sermon was amazing," said david chandler, 36, a gay man from
san francisco and one of the more than 4,000 worshippers. "he sent a
message to parents to love their children no matter what. ... i admire
and respect falwell for taking that stand."

    the unprecedented meeting surprised many because falwell for years
condemned homosexuality.

    earlier this month, gay activists hissed, booed and screamed as
falwell lectured via satellite to about 60 people in a san francisco
park, urging them to give up homosexuality. falwell was also ridiculed
earlier this year when his newspaper cited evidence that the creators
of the "teletubbies" show intended tinky winky to be a gay role model.

    as he had all weekend, falwell stressed he will not change his
belief that homosexuality is a sin, but added: "that has nothing to do
with the love factor involved. we are to be lovers of all men and
women."

    falwell was careful not to offend his visitors during his sermon,
preaching from proverbs 13, which offers advice on successful living in
the eyes of god.

    he spoke on the importance of working hard, living with integrity
and not focusing on material things.

    falwell also talked at length about the importance of parents
loving their children unconditionally. he noted that he is often asked
by reporters and gay rights activists what he would do if one of his
sons was gay.

    "i'd tell him 'i love you just as much... i'm going to pray for you
and do everything i can to bring you out of this lifestyle," he said.

    dozens of angry anti-homosexual protesters demonstrated outside
falwell's baptist church, holding explicit signs and screaming at gay
supporters as they entered the church.

    among those protesting the gathering was the rev. fred phelps of
topeka, kan., whose congregation also taunted gays at the funeral of
matthew shepard, a gay college student who was killed in wyoming.

    "for him to invite these fags here and into his church is an
abomination," phelps said outside the church sunday. "now, jerry
falwell is just as much a sinner as mel white and both will burn in
hell."

    falwell, 66, began the service by introducing and welcoming white
and his guests and briefing his congregation on details of the
anti-violence forum.

    at saturday's meeting, both sides apologized for harsh words said
over the years and discussed ways to reduce violence against
homosexuals.

    white and falwell agreed ahead of time to disagree on whether gays
can be christians and focus on ways to deter violence against
homosexuals and christians.

    falwell noted the september shootings at a texas church and recent
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school shootings in which christians were targeted, while white
discussed the killings of gays such as shepard.

    white brought 200 gays and lesbians from 30 states to participate
in the weekend's activities. they were joined by 200 evangelical
christians who support falwell's stance.

    sunday's church service ended with the entire congregation standing
together and singing the baptist hymn "only trust him." falwell
interrupted the song to reiterate to worshippers that what he or anyone
else thought of them did not matter, but what was important is their
relationship with god.

    white said it was "a shame" that protesters like phelps brought
hostility to a place a worship.

    "what we have here is a great moment for our country, gays and
falwell worshipping together," white said. "it's a small start, but
it's a start."

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hi,

just a reminder for all that have yet to add their names to the list...

the card exchange is so fun!  each participant is emailed a list of 20 or so
names and addresses.  each person then sends a card to each person on their
list.  each person then sits back and waits for their cards to come to them.
it is really neat to get cards from other indigo girls fans from across the
country and even the world =).  you can buy cards or make cards...some people
make really neat ones!

so...all you have to do is email your name and address like this...
before november 15th

name
street address
city, state  zip
email@so and so.com

(that is the best way for me)...but don't worry if you have already done it
differently =)
and anyone from outside of the us...please send your address like it should
be written on the envelope (thank you).

send all entries to erinsuepoo@aol.com (feel free to ask questions).
thanks again for your time (i know i am a broken record).
erin sue

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 11:41:24 -0400
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these hateful types are too ignorant to see the beauty, so why risk giving
up any *trade secrets*??? ;)

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>tara <telane@trigon.com> said...
>
>>>i'd just like to sit whoever did it down, and make 'em watch us
>>>kiss.
>
>you go grrl!!   that's the right attitude!!
>
>
>peace and pride,
>- jen mek

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 11:45:30 -0400
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on mon, 25 oct 1999, jean moses wrote:

>     "for him to invite these fags here and into his church is an
> abomination," phelps said outside the church sunday. "now, jerry
> falwell is just as much a sinner as mel white and both will burn in
> hell."

   never in a million years did i think i would hear a quote like that!
with tongue firmly in check...the question, of course, is: publicity
stunt, change of heart, or is the rev. falwell coming out?  ;)

   (...and what a closet it was...)

   darius

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 08:49:00 -0700
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> i just saw "boys don't cry" and it's a shattering
> movie.  it is based on the teena brandon story about
> the woman in neb. that was killed after some
> associates found out she was pretending to
> be a guy so she could date women.

teena brandon renamed himself brandon teena because his
gender identity was male, though his body was female. it
wasnt because he wanted to date women.  it was because
inside he didnt match his outside, so he changed as much as
he could of his outside to be male.  it's another point of
confusion, that gender and sexuality are intertwined, though
they really arent. his gender was male.  his sexuality was
such that he was attracted to women. they are two separate things.

i'm really not trying to reopen this debate.  just, again, trying to clarify
the language around the confusing realm of gender.

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 09:07:34 -0700
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> during one of songs they brought out michelle and
> they sang "wild horses." it
> was mostly michelle and amy. and if you asked me
> emily seemed a little upset
> that she didn't get to sing a verse (only back
> vocals).

the times i have either seen or heard the three of
them sing wild horses, it has always been michelle and
amy trading verses and emily singing backup.  wild
horses is one of michelle's signature songs (though it
is a cover of the jagger/richards song).  in fact,
michelle joined the girls onstage at the uno show
during jazzfest '96, and they did wild horses (there
is a boot).  it was an awesome moment!

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 09:15:19 -0700
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i have read that amy is into hiking, mountain biking,
canoeing and kayaking.  and, doesn't amy draw as well?
i have read that emily is/was into watching football
and womens basketball.  and, i recall reading a list
post back in '96 where someone said they spotted her
at either the womens ncaa 1st/2nd round or regionals
in atlanta that spring.

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 11:48:36 -0500
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correction: ig tix for riverside theatre in milwaukee go on sale november
1.  dam.
amyc

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<<<<<teena brandon renamed himself brandon teena because his
gender identity was male>>>>

teena brandon never used the name brandon teena in life...no one knew him as
that until after he died. i'm not sure though what name he was using at the
time of his death, but according to many recent articles on the case that
have come out recently he went by the name brandon a lot (along with billy
among others) but never used teena as his last name. i can't remember where i
read this, but it was either in the "out" with the hilary swank on the cover
or in the advocate or maybe even the washington blade...

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 19:43:16 +0100
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i'm just checking something - the plane that crashed today between
dallas and orlando : amy and emily weren't on that plane were they?

john.

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amy and emily weren't on that plane were they?
>>>

i doubt it, but i heard payne stewart might have been on that plane.  oh my
gosh...  i think you got about 700 people worried, including myself.

"if the world is night, shine my life like a light"-emily saliers
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>i'm just checking something - the plane that crashed today between
>dallas and orlando : amy and emily weren't on that plane were they?

no, it was a golfer guy.  i'm not sure who.  but my mom loves golf, so she
has the news on.

no, amy and emily are still quite safe.  although i'm sure once emily hears
about this, she'll never fly again. :)

kel

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in disguise."  the indigo girls; "jonas and ezekial."

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no.  it was the golfer payne stewart and two of his agents.

jason lee


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> i'm just checking something - the plane that crashed today between
> dallas and orlando : amy and emily weren't on that plane were they?
>
> john.
>
> --
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> every sperm is great.
> if a sperm is wasted,
> god gets quite irate..."
>
> (monty python - the meaning of life)
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the plane was carrying golfer payne stewart, two of
his associates, and two pilots.  all died.  such a
shame.  payne stewart was the one who wore those neat
pants, btw!  the plane was en route to dallas from
orlando, but flew out of control for 1500 miles(!) and
crashed in south dakota.  i work with several people
who play golf, so a lot of people here at work are
kind of bummed out.  here is the link to the story, if
anyone is interested in reading it:
http://cnn.com/us/9910/25/wayward.jet.05/

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i thought i'd heard recently that rjr sold nabisco...  does that mean it's
politically correct to buy their products again?

~lisa

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> i thought i'd heard recently that rjr sold
> nabisco...  does that mean it's
> politically correct to buy their products again?

not exactly.  rjr nabisco split off the nabisco
portion of the company to insulate it from liability
in the tobacco lawsuits.  rjr and nabisco are still
related.  i found a story describing the split:

http://dowjones.wsj.com/archive/gx.cgi/applogic+retrieve?id=on-co-19990520-000012.djml&d2hconverter=display-d2h

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if you're in the area, defitintely check this show out.  it's all acoustic
and free and good and meg.  did i mention it's free.
and meg.
did i mention she's quite the deal.
stop by to see what i mean.

monday, october 25 show at tt the bear
10 brookline st., central sq. cambridge
9:30       martin finke
10:30      meghan toohey
11:30      science park


it ain't bragging if it's true.  yessir.  yessir.
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thanks for all the reassurance : sorry if i freaked anybody out, but
it's just one of these things i worry about : trust me, everytime i hear
about a plane crash, and i know one of you guys might be taking it, i
worry.... i don't know if this will put emily off air travel though : we
just had a big train crash in london a couple of weeks back, and
although there is a big safety investigation going on, people still use
the trains.....

i'll be praying for the people that were on that plane tonight. probably
a lot of other people will be too.

john.

joan morrison wrote:

> the plane was carrying golfer payne stewart, two of
> his associates, and two pilots.  all died.  such a
> shame.  payne stewart was the one who wore those neat
> pants, btw!  the plane was en route to dallas from
> orlando, but flew out of control for 1500 miles(!) and
> crashed in south dakota.  i work with several people
> who play golf, so a lot of people here at work are
> kind of bummed out.  here is the link to the story, if
> anyone is interested in reading it:
> http://cnn.com/us/9910/25/wayward.jet.05/

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i just saw "boys don't cry" and it's a shattering
movie.  it is based on the teena brandon story about
the woman in neb. that was killed after some
associates found out she was pretending to
be a guy so she could date women.

the movie that it reminds me of is "sling blade" and
if you've ever heard the tracy chapman song "for my
lover" it echoes that as well.  recently, i listed
some of my favorite lesbian films and this one goes
to the top of the list.  i recommend it highly!

****i haven't seen the movie (although i intend to asap) but i was under the
impression that brandon was transgendered and was much more comfortable with
a male perspective rather than female (not just so he could be a lesbian).
is that how the movie portrays him? a lesbian who is driven to extremes to
date women or as a bio-female in search of his true male self?...i'm really
looking forward to seeing this movie and i'm so glad it's getting great
reviews...

rugbygrrl

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subject:      off topic.  andy stochansky touring madness!!!
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(the superfluous subject-header punctuation is key.)

feel free to forward to any ani fans, email lists, friends, feds.

former ani difranco drummer andy stochansky and his band are going on tour.
wheee.  for more info/ sound samples/ that lovin' feeling, go to
http://www.andystochansky.com or dig him up at http://www.mp3.com .

so you're saying, "shut up jill, why should i care about this guy?  drummers
are a dime a million."  (if you're a drummer and are insulted by the
previous statement, please direct any complaints to my bodyguard, one miss
anna creech of virginia.)  well.  you should go because a) i said so, b) i'm
italian and i'll fuck your shit up if you don't, and c) andy's played with
folk mama janis ian, the lovely jane siberry, and john gorka. oh. and with a
coupla ladies you might know of.  i believe they're called the indigo girls?

anyhow.    he's just put out his second cd, radio fusebox, which is kind of
a mix of electronic and acoustic and lots of that bumpity
percussive-type-thing that i cannot do but he can.  not that i'm feeling the
lack or anything.  okay so i am.  we digress.

******he got the beat * he got the beat * he got the beat******
all shows accompanied by drums, bass, vibes, marimba, samplers, guitar,
piano, human, and screamy crowd.

tues 10/26, 9p. philadelphia, pa. the kyber (215) 238-9964.
tickets: $6.00.  show is 21+ (sorry, kiddies).
hot & hazy and max meyer open (andy goes on @ 11.)

wed 10/27, 7pm. milestones, rochester ny 716/325-6490
split bill with jess klein.  (maybe she'll wear the leather pants?!)
(go to http://www.jessklein.com for her deal.)

thurs 10/28 8pm. toronto, on, canada. ted's wrecking yard
jess klein and rebecca campbell open it up for you nutty showgoers.

thur 11/4 poughkeepsie, ny. 8:30p. vassar college.  show is all-ages.
tickets (914) 437-4636, are free for students, $5.00 for off campus.

fri 11/5 new york, ny. 9p. brownies, 169 avenue a. (212) 420-8392.
tickets $8. show is 21+. triple bill w/feather merchants and the silos.

sat, 11/6, 7p. northampton, ma, the iron horse, 20 center street
tickets $8. call 1-800-the-tick.
show is all ages, and is a split bill with mighty purple.

sun, 11/7, 9p. providence, ri, the met cafe, 130 union street
tickets, (401) 861-2142, are $8. show is 18+.
this is a split bill with erin mckeown.
(go to http://www.erinmckeown.com .  try to control your elation.)

thankyouiloveyou
*j the concert mistress


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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 10:59:10 -0700
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what a great show!!!

this was the best concert i have ever attended. i
prepared saturday and sunday by playing ig cds
constantly.

my gf and i arrived at the mitchell center about an
hour early. the venue was great. sound was great. we
sat on the front row of the balcony.

amy introduced three finger cowboy. the crowd seemed
appreciative though not overly so. at least i didn't
hear anyone chanting for ig throughout their songs :p

fashion -
amy: white shirt with blue print, black jeans, blue
suede shoes(?)
emily: blue shirt, black jeans, black shoes.

set list:

go go go
trouble (amy with mandolin)
chickenman (amy mentioned that they were traveling
     to austin after last night's show)
galileo (crowd loved it)
sister (amy explained the story of she on her
     motorcycle. she said something to the effect
     that now you know the story, "the song is not
     as heavy as it seems")
peace tonight
this train
get out the map (emily on banjo)
compromise
andy (emily said, "this songs about a woman in
     love with a farmboy who doesn't love her
     back. it's very sad.")
tried to be true
closer to fine
ozaline
love will come to you (surprised by this one!)
faye tucker
least complicated (crowd love this one)
shame on you (emily banjo)

encore:
don't fear the reaper (they were great!)
gone again
galileo (again!)

wzew, a local radio show had a contest and you could
win free tickets for singing one of their songs. just
about everyone sang galileo (may be why ig played the
song twice :p  ).

they didn't seem overly chatty. amy mentioned that the
place was so small she felt like they were playing in
someone's living room.

the crowd seemed fine. i didn't see any problems.
folks were dancing - and i thought that was cool. i
wish i had brought a dat recorder, because it would
have been an incredible boot.

i had a realization though... i've always thought of
myself as an emily person, but found out last night
that i'm an amy person. geeze, this changes things
now! :) i hope you folks in austin have a great time.

lori

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 17:38:27 edt
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i'm sorry to inundate like this.  thought you should get these, tho.

>this is just a quick update on the fall '99 tour of dan bern (aka
>bernstein). of course, tour dates are always available at
>http://www.dbhq.com/tour.html
>
>10/21          palms playhouse/ davis, ca              530-756-9901
>10/28          cabaret cafe/ bandera, tx               830-796-8166
>11/1                   the iron horse/ northampton, ma 413-586-8686
>11/2                   the pub/ ewing, nj                      609-771-2466
>11/3                   ramapo college/ mahwah, nj              n/a
>11/4                   iota cafe/ arlington, va                703-522-8340
>11/5                   trocadero/ philadelphia, pa     215-336-2000
>11/6                   bowery ballroom/ nyc                    212-533-2111
>11/7                   club passim/ cambridge, ma              617-492-7679
>11/9 & 10              freight & salvage/ berkeley, ca 510-548-1761
>11/11          kuumbwa/ santa cruz, ca                 831-429-7663
>11/12          amaranta gallery/ palo alto, ca 650-493-7334
>11/13          britannia school/ vancouver, bc 604-683-9334
>11/14          tractor tavern/ seattle, wa     206-789-3599
>11/16          the swiss/ tacoma, wa                   253-572-2821
>11/18          university of oregon/ eugene, or        541-346-4373
>11/20          grinnell college/ grinnell, ia          515-269-3316
>11/22          live studio one/ cedar falls, ia        800-772-2440
>11/23          schuba's/ chicago, il                   773-525-2508
>11/27          csps/ cedar rapids, ia          319-364-1580
>12/3                   mccabe's/ santa monica, ca              310-828-4403
>12/18          alice's palace/ homer, ak               907-235-1921
>12/21  sydney laurence theatre/anchorage, ak           907-263-2787

>we put in lots of overtime and volunteer at night,
>dbhq
>http://www.dbhq.com
>danbern@gte.net
>
>pmb 411
>1158 26th st
>santa monica, ca 90403
>(888) 222-bern

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if you don't like rose (that would be two of you), delete this.
if you don't like my forwarding this to you,
you know what parts of me you may kiss.

*j

>from http://www.berkshireweb.com/rogovoy/thebeat/beat990923.html
>
>the berkshire eagle
>the beat
>9/23/99
>by seth rogovoy
>
>(williamstown, mass., september 23, 1999) -
>
>rose polenzani: achy longing
>
>i'm not exactly sure just what it is that has had me listening to rose
>polenzani's new cd, "anybody" (daemon records), over and over again. it
>could be the naked, organic quality of her vocals, filled with achy
>longing. or the intimacy of her presentation, mostly just her voice and
>guitar, with an occasional color or texture added - andrew bird's
>gorgeous violin or some harmonies by the indigo girls, who have become
>mentors of a sort to the 24-year-old singer-songwriter, who has already
>played lilith fair and the newport folk festival.
>
>it could be the haunting, timeless quality of "molly's lily," a
>traditional-style, original ballad, about a young girl's date with the
>devil - sort of an old-time "blair witch project" (or so i surmise, not
>having seen the film) with lyrics like: "she's an auburn woman, on
>mahogany mare, she was dressed full bloody for the devil's despair. and
>it was no lily for his cardamon lips, but for girl and filly, and for
>hooves and hips."
>
>or it could be the way her words trip along effortlessly with her swooping,
>irish-influenced melodies. it could be eavesdropping on the
>raw sensuality of "abalin," a sort of letter to a former lover in the
>style of "blood on the tracks"-era bob dylan, or the tori amos-like
>dynamics of the post-abortion "shake through to ugly."
>
>notwithstanding that songs of lust like "olga's birthday" and "the
>chalice" might be about the pleasures and pain of lesbian love, they're
>simply brilliantly subtle, sexy songs, full of tension of the physical,
>emotional, societal, spiritual and religious kinds.
>
>it's even a greater surprise to learn that "anybody" is actually just a
>collection of early songs recorded here and there, demos and outtakes,
>sort of polenzani's "basement tapes."
>
>in just a few years as a professional musician polenzani has shared
>stages with joan baez, indigo girls, shawn colvin, the nields and
>jonatha brooke. she's been compared to leonard cohen, tanya donnelly,
>jane siberry, rickie lee jones, jewel and p.j. harvey. she performs at
>the iron horse in northampton next wednesday, sept. 29, at 7, and again
>on nov. 18 with fellow up-and-comers erin mckeown, jess klein and beth
>amsel. call (413) 586-8686 for more info.
>
>[this column originally appeared in the berkshire eagle on sept. 23,
>1999. copyright seth rogovoy 1999. all rights reserved.]
>                    ------------------------------------
>                                seth rogovoy
>                            rogovoy@berkshire.net
>                   music news, interviews, reviews, et al.
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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 17:16:19 -0500
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i saw the movie on friday night and found it to be pretty powerful.  i know
that the story isn't totally accurate and there are some things in the
movie that don't quite work in my opinion.  but i didn't come away from the
movie thinking that brandon was a lesbian.  quite the contrary, i thought
he was a guy.  i'm amazed at the talent of hilary swank.  amazing.

so, go see the movie.  but try to be aware of some of the inaccuracies and
the fact that they seemed to take artistic liberties with the story.

lisa

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"i won't forget when peter pan came to my home, took my hand
    i said i was a boy, i'm glad he didn't check."
           -dar williams

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 18:33:50 -0400
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hi folks,

just a couple of things...

again i would like to remind people to either turn off or reduce sig
lines when posting to the list.  keeping sigs 4-6 lines or less would be
great.

when replying to a previously posted message, please remember to delete
all unnecessary text.

please think before posting extremely large posts to the list.  this
creates havoc with some of our digest listees, not to mention the list
archives.  if you have something you wish to share with the list,
briefly introduce the content to the list and ask for interested listees
to email you privately.  then forward them the information via private
email.

lastly, please remember to keep nigc to a minimum.  introducing a topic
on the list has always been an interesting part of this list, but we
need to remember that non-indigo girls related topics should be
continued via private email or other forums.

thanks for reading!

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hey,

could someone give some details on the kristen hall appearance in =
athens.

thanks

jo

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 16:51:56 -0600
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my best friend (ig fanatic number 1) brought up a very interesting
possibility for the line of "we are together" - "and the dog caught up with
the rabbit".  she thinks emily is a rabbit under chinese astrology.  has
this possibility been discussed yet?  any thoughts?

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i highly recommend reading the book by aphrodite jones - all that she
wants - the true crime version of this story.  it was worth it, and
definitely doesn't ever refer to teena brandon as 'brandon teena" - only in
the ensuing publicity after brandon's death did the referral to brandon
teena ever appear.

diane


> <<<<<teena brandon renamed himself brandon teena because his
> gender identity was male>>>>
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lol rof   << is jerry falwell coming out?
(and what a closet it was)>>  gadz!! i love that one....jerry falwell
coming out. lol

peace,

barb

ps and he's been told  he's damned to hell  for his now famous meeting,
by the old hate-monger fred phelps!! that's great. lol

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in a message dated 10/24/99 6:55:51 pm eastern daylight time,
mariedemi@cs.com writes:

<< someone yelled for her to play "blood and fire" and she smiled and
politely replied that she tried the other day to remember it but she cant.
she said "you know that was 10 years ago!" smiling. >>

hey, does this suggest she might go back to playing it???

oh goodness.... *breaks into a cold sweat*

~ elizabeth

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what's all this stuff about a plane crash with
amy and emily on? i know they are okay but were they supposed to be on
that flight or something?

peace,

barb


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any kitty cat fans e-mail me privately - i have something darling for you

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hey folks,

here's a slightly old article from mtv online...

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
10.14.99 7:55 est
the indigo girls-joan osborne connection

fans attending the indigo girls' three-night stand at new york's
beacon theatre earlier this week were treated to a lilith
fair-style hootenanny, as local heroine joan osborne joined the
atlanta duo on stage for a number of songs each night.
date: sun, 21 nov 1999 20:05:04 +0000
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osborne appears on four songs on the girls' recently released
album, "come on now social:" "go," "trouble," "we are together"
and the album's first single, "peace tonight." other guests on
the album include sheryl crow, me'shell n'degeocello, luscious
jackson's kate schellenbach, and garth hudson and levon helm of
the band (see "crow, osborne, others join indigo girls for new
album").

the indigo girls and osborne were part of a large group of
artists who traveled to cuba in march to participate in a
musicans exchange program; it was during this time that the
girls invited osborne to sing on their album (see "joan
osborne, chuck d, peter buck to make music with cuban
artists").

the indigo girls' emily sailers told mtv news that it was easy
to decide how to make use of osborne.

"we just thought of a few songs that joan might sound good on,
and, fortunately, she sounded good on all of them," said
sailers. "so we used her for four songs, which is very unusual,
to use a guest vocalist for four songs. but her parts were
subtle, and they just fit right in, and it was just great for
her to do that." [realaudio]

osborne is currently working on her next album, the
long-awaited follow-up to her 1995 breakthrough album,
"relish." to hold fans over until the album is completed,
osborne recorded "baby love" for the recently released "for
love of the game" soundtrack (see "semisonic, joan osborne pen
new tracks for kevin costner film").

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please don't flame me. but i think before the nuclear bomb hits japan, it was
killing and torturing tons of people in china, also, they are changing the
history book so the kids wouldn't think their country did this horrible
thing. i don't remember the details, but i'm sure a little research will do.

war is so stupid. no one, not even soldiers, deserve to die because of a war.
each person is someone's loved one.

peace everyone
dottie

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 20:59:45 -0400
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hi all,

i've taken that line about the dog and the rabbit to mean emily being
the rabbit on the track running round and round and her gf being the dog
always chasing after it, really happy when they finally meet.  just my
.02

bonnie

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 21:15:56 edt
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hey y'all,

i'm driving down to austin with a friend tomorrow for the show and we may
have an extra ticket on the 6th row.  another friend who was coming with us
has decided that she can't.  $34 is what i paid.  let me know if anybody out
there wants it.  michael and i would be fun to sit with!!!

pam

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 20:50:40 -0500
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or anyone for that matter.......the igwebsite is
starting to put up their catalogue for their ig
store. (ha, now we won't have to go to ebay ha?)  they have the albums
up, hopefully they'll
have the rest up soon.

they'll have  ig apparell, accessories, collectibles, auction.

peace,

barb

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sorry these are going out so late today...i couldn't wake up enough to do
it this morning *hee* oops :)

october 25 ('75)
jamitch3@vt.edu (jack mitchell)

october 26 ('77)
ktm@utkux.utcc.utk.edu (katie mccurry)

october 26
karenfrey@redrose.net (karen frey)

october 26, (77)
kmj5m@virginia.edu (karen jones)
"i'm gonna clear my head. i'm gonna drink that sun.  i'm gonna love
you good and strong, while our love is good and young."

october 27
i_zarei@net1ef.modares.ac.ir (hassan zarei)

october 29
indilint@aol.com (karmen ford)

october 29
sunnyig@yahoo.org (sunny)
"the truth is, we all do the best we can do until we are stronger, wiser,
willing, and ready to do better."

october 31
madonajk@alpha.delta.edu (mark anthony donajkowski)
* strange fire (epic version), 31 october 1989


happy birthday!!! and happy halloween (esp. mark *hee*)!!!!!!!!!!

love and indigo dreams...
audra
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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 22:49:33 edt
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  hello kind friends,

   it's kind of a hard night for me tonight, i found out today that my father
has a tumor. he's having test done in the next couple of days and surgery on
thursday. i'm not a very religious kind of girl but i was wondering if you
kind friends would say a few prayers for him.  we're 1500 miles apart and i
can't be with him right now, i just think it would give me some small ounce
of comfort knowing  that he's in the prayers of so many.

thank you,
di

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date:         mon, 25 oct 1999 23:39:02 -0400
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there's an article in the october 29, 1999 issue of entertainment weekly on
the movie "boys don't cry" and how hilary swank prepared for the role.  it's
on pages 23-25, and the title of the article is called "boy on the side".

a brief(okay, not so brief) quote(illegally reproduced):
     "for research purposes, swank also invented her own male alter ego and
lived as a man for 30 days in los angeles. "we would run into people that we
knew as a couple recalls [chad] lowe... "they would look at me, like, aren't
you going to introduce your friend?"
     "i said to her, 'go pass as a boy for four weeks,'" recalls peirce...
"and if you f--- up and people discover you, you better go back home and
feel embarrassed.  feel terrified about what it means to be an impostor.  go
home and look in the mirror and figure out what went wrong.  did you not
bind your tits tight enough?  was your haircut wrong?'"
     "i don't think i was really prepared for what i went through," swank
says of her gender-bending research. "there were people who couldn't figure
out what i was .  tehy didn't look me in the eye.  i was treated poorly by
people in stores, people that i had known as hilary.  i cried for two days
straight."

~~~~~
i just want to say that it is awesome to hear "tangled up in blue" and
"world falls" on 1200 curfews, driving in my car on my very first
northeastern autumn.  p.s.  thanks to terri--had an awesome time at the
jeffrey gaines' concert--it turns out i had his cover of "in your eyes" on a
tape mixed by my best friend back in 1995. ~dw

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> i've taken that line about the dog and the rabbit to mean emily being
>  the rabbit on the track running round and round and her gf being the dog
>  always chasing after it, really happy when they finally meet.

or maybe the other way around...?  emily talks later in the song about
"conjuring a love spell" and "giving up the 5-year itch" which *i* at least
took to mean that the subject of the song (the girl who's "known trouble", or
em herself?) is finally with this person she's had a mondo-crush on for ages,
and she uses the first person again in "winded by the fruitless chase until i
saw you face to face."  it could also possibly be a back-together-again kind
of song...any other thoughts? =)
peace and caffeine tonight,
pony

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a friend of mine has the following tickets available:

thursday 11/4 -   two seats, orchestra, row b -  $45.25 each,  prefer
selling as a pair  (i think that's face value plus ticketmaster charges)

friday 11/5-   two seats, orchestra, row a
               two seats, orchestra, row d
these are all $37.75 each, again prefer to sell in pairs of two, or all
four.    i think it's face value.


e-mail if interested and i'll put you in touch.

alison

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i go to www.oth.net and have always had good luck there, though often you
have to filter through a lot of porn to get what you want.

margaret


at 10:10 am 10/21/99 , jen meklenburg wrote:
>hey y'all.  maybe i'm not getting this right, but what's the deal with
>searching the web for mp3 files?  i use realjukebox (the free version) and i
>make my own.  well, they are realjukebox files, but it's the same thing.
>
>peace and pride,
>- jen mek

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  i was in the  chat room tonight and i had the crap scared out of me.
this guy with the name jewgrinder came in and began to show that he was
into white supremacy.  and that he was against gays.  just scared me,
because this was the first itme since i have been out that i have had to
deal with so much prejudice.  i guess i'm young and dumb.  it just
really scared me.
     peace tonight,
         carrie

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check out napster!!!!!  i have dowloaded so many mp3's in the past 48 hours,
it's unreal.  i've also downloaded two indigo songs i have not heard before.
one called "uncle john's band" and it's pretty good, and "blister in the
sun"!!!! to get this thing, goto <www.napster.com> and download the
application, fill out the info and become a member.  it took me maybe ten
minutes. also, if anyone already has napster and knows how to add songs that
you have already downloaded from elsewhere, please email me with this info.
i will use it to put my non-epic indigo mp3's online. so please help me
because it will in turn help you. and i know how badly y'all want to sign up
for this thing and then download indigo songs you have never heard before.
again, <www.napster.com>. thanks :)

love,
julie ;-)

aol instant messenger = <julielibes>


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at 03:11 am 10/26/99 -0400, carrie wrote:
>  i was in the  chat room tonight and i had the crap scared out of me.
>this guy with the name jewgrinder came in and began to show that he was
>into white supremacy.

with a nick like "jewgrinder i'm surprised his presence was tolerated long
enough for him to "show what he was"... geez... you'd think his chosen
handle would say it all...
he shoulda' been kicked instantly.

>and that he was against gays.  just scared me,
>because this was the first itme since i have been out that i have had to
>deal with so much prejudice.  i guess i'm young and dumb.  it just
>really scared me.

not young + dumb... young + naive... it's a shame, but reality all the same
that there really is hatred out there, living in the minds of folk who think
it's okay to destroy others if they happen to be different from them... just
think of matthew sheppard. dunno if the world will ever be a safe place for
anyone who is "minority" when there will always be that other chilling
minority of scared and dangerous hate-mongers... don't give them any power
by staying afraid. just be cautious. i'd like to think the majority is
becoming more accepting... let's just work on them, by example, and
place/keep *them* as the ones in power...
peace in your day... kim
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>     "i said to her, 'go pass as a boy for four weeks,'" recalls peirce...
>"and if you f--- up and people discover you, you better go back home and
>feel embarrassed.  feel terrified about what it means to be an >impostor.

wow. this whole thing (movie, discussion, the article referenced in this
post) has hit home for me in interesting ways - and i've appreciated the
gender vs. sex discussion though i'm sorry that it became a bit acrimonious
and that feelings were hurt. i felt for everyone! however, i think the
content of that discussion was impt and i was interested to read it.

i spent most of my childhood (age 5-13) pretty much like brandon. i lived
as a boy in every way i could, and all who didn't know me perceived me as
such. those who knew me didn't know what to think (esp. my parents...). it
was way beyond tomboy. i remember a lot of praying that god would perform a
miracle and set things right before i became a teenager ("we could always
move to a new town"...!). it consumed my thoughts. through a year or two in
jr. high i sort of did a difficult and conscious metamorphosis into a
relatively average teenage girl and it's gone on from there. why? well - i
liked guys, and i didn't have too many options! also i think there is just
a lot of physiology and psychology going on that we do not understand.
anyway, i think it worked out fine in the end in my case. but i am very
sympathetic to the transgender issue. it is a very real and interesting
thing. what hit me in that article was the social forces that you
experience when people think you are one sex vs. another, or when they
aren't sure. the last line of that quoted paragraph is especially important
- "feel terrified about what it means to be an imposter".  you're really
caught, because that sentence has meaning both in the context of the social
situation and in terms of the self. you're in danger of being an imposter
no matter which way you turn. it's tough.

well, there's my departure from anonymity... why does this list end up
being so confessional?! didn't we start out just diggin' the ig? funny...

-s.

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okay, so i'm working on song selection to fill my next boot offer (live
montreal '94), and my original disc has a lot of what is on neil's attack of
the killer b-sides that i don't want to duplicate, but there are 2 songs
that i would like the origin of, and i need you boot-queens (and kings) to
scour your collections and tell me what these are from and if there's an
entire collection that they're taken from that's available on disc
somewhere.

here's what i have:

least complicated, 3:45, with an emily intro where she says, "you never
learn, ...the things that are actually pretty simple, ...in the end"  and
then the song is all acoustic.  my copy sounds mono.  it ends without any
'na-na's'.

get out the map, 3:18, with a female announcer saying, "it's indigo girls,
live for the difference".  and then the song is acoustic, and it's in
stereo, mandolin in the left and banjo in the right.

ya'll please let me know anything you can about these two songs, as it will
help me prepare for my next big digital bootleg offer.

-tara

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does anybody think that the girl on the cover of cons has been digitally enhanced in some fashion to give us that specific image?

respond privately....(i was asked to throw this question to the list....sorry if it's already been covered.)

peace,
kara

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what brand/type of cigs did ya'll say amy smokes?   i was thinking
about taking her a pack and throwing them onstage thursday night.  you
don't think she would become angry, do you?
(yes, this is the same person who was so distraught over her habit.
but my love is unconditional!)

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<<   i was thinking about taking her a pack and throwing them onstage
thursday night. >>>

good lord, woman, what are you thinking??????

<<<you don't think she would become angry, do you?>>>>

gee wally, i dunno would *you* like some stranger flinging things at *you* if
you were up on stage pouring your heart out ?

katherine ( who is really really hoping this post was a joke....)
don't throw things at them!!!!
anything at all!!!!
jeez.....

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hey gang,
hot off the presses of yesterday's indiana daily student;

indigo girls to play auditorium
the indigo girls, creators of such hits as "galileo," "closer to fine" and
"shame on you," will bring their folk-in-fused rock to the iu auditorium
dec.9. tickets are $25 for students and $30 for nonstudents, and will be
available at 10 a.m. friday at all ticketmaster locations and the indiana
memorial union activities desk.
good luck to all!
lia

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> <<   i was thinking about taking her a pack and throwing them onstage
> thursday night. >>>
>
> good lord, woman, what are you thinking??????

....so throwing amy's favorite brand of tampons (natracare of course) is
probably out.   and her favorite brand of yogurt?  probably not.  damn.

det. munch


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i have to clarify the following post:  i laughed when i read this and
thought i wonder if this person is serious or just sarcastic?

>>-----original message-----
>>from: box lunch [mailto:box.lunch@excite.com]
>>....so throwing amy's favorite brand of tampons (natracare of course) is
>>probably out.   and her favorite brand of yogurt?  probably not.  damn.

good lord people where do you get this stuff?????
and on a subject other than tampons . . .

for anyone interested
american spirit will send you a listing of what stores in your area sell
thier brand.  american spirit is made by santa fe natural tobacco company
and can be reached at:  (505) 982-4257.  they have a pretty good selection
of types (ie: menthol, reg, ultra light, etc.).  they will also tell you
over the phone a couple stores near you.  just fyi people

oh and by the way.  how do you all know for certain that amy smokes?  this
brand?  and where the hell do you find out what tampon she uses and why on
earth would this be something worth knowing?

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 16:04:40 edt
reply-to:     irish4998@aol.com
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hello everyone!!

    the mobile, al show was great.  i had 3rd row seats center and danced
every minute of it.

    the girls looked wonderful but they sounded even better.   amy of course
put on a brilliant show emily didn't seem as enthusiastic.  after the show
ending i caught two picks and got the set list that was taped to the stage.
sulli (the very cute guitar tech) helped me out by retrieving the set list
and then she brought everyone else that was fighting over picks some extra
copies of the set list so no one went away disappointed.

    we all traveled down the back elevator to the backstage area and were
swiftly kicked out into the night air for lack of the all important backstage
pass (true fans never receive those things).  we stood by their buses for
about twenty minutes until the band came out and waved and then boarded their
bus.  another girl in our little crowd had a guitar and we started singed ctf
and some other sing alongs.  emily came back out of the bus and waved again
to us but alas no more sightings of amy and no autographs.  but the girl
named karen was graced by the bus driver he took her guitar and amy and emily
signed "karen, beautiful singing amy and emily."  one lucky girl if i may so.

    we went home all charged up and full of peace and indigo heaven.  it was
a wonderful evening that is etched in my mind.

    i am grateful for the gifts that the girls share with us.  it would be a
much unhappier world without them.

    peace
    colline

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 13:18:27 -0700
reply-to:     dawn manuel <venussage@yahoo.com>
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all right, fine.  geez.
i only meant it as a "thank you" gift, and i was planning to toss very
respectfully between songs while she was getting a drink or something.

i just want ya'll to understand that i am a very respectful human
being.  i am very respectful of other people's feelings.
i'm sorry if i offended anyone with what i thought was a gesture of
somewhat goodwill.  please persecute no further!
thanks guys!
have a good day!


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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 13:13:49 pdt
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actually, except for second-hand from friends, she doesn't smoke anymore.


----original message follows----
from: nancy lambert <nlambert@inter-science.com>
reply-to: nancy lambert <nlambert@inter-science.com>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: re: amy cigs
date: tue, 26 oct 1999 15:41:10 -0400

i have to clarify the following post:  i laughed when i read this and
thought i wonder if this person is serious or just sarcastic?

>>-----original message-----
>>from: box lunch [mailto:box.lunch@excite.com]
>>....so throwing amy's favorite brand of tampons (natracare of course) is
>>probably out.   and her favorite brand of yogurt?  probably not.  damn.

good lord people where do you get this stuff?????
and on a subject other than tampons . . .

for anyone interested
american spirit will send you a listing of what stores in your area sell
thier brand.  american spirit is made by santa fe natural tobacco company
and can be reached at:  (505) 982-4257.  they have a pretty good selection
of types (ie: menthol, reg, ultra light, etc.).  they will also tell you
over the phone a couple stores near you.  just fyi people

oh and by the way.  how do you all know for certain that amy smokes?  this
brand?  and where the hell do you find out what tampon she uses and why on
earth would this be something worth knowing?

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 16:23:58 -0400
reply-to:     nancy lambert <nlambert@inter-science.com>
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ok for all those interested and still thinking about joining the ride but
who have not yet contacted beccie or myself.  if you want to cycle you need
to contact me by the way.  i have applications to send out to those
interested and need to get a final head count by november 1.  the girls
(thank the godesses) have graced our ride with their support.  yes that's
right folkies, ig is buying the gatorade and water.  kinkos has donated
copies, ryan (our own listee -- love ya babe) has donated the first few ride
t-shirts, and i have finally finished maping the florida route.  now all i
need is cofee and lots of it so i can do this and study and work and take
care of the dog and the bunnies and still have time for my gf and ....... oh
well.  in other words beccie and i still need more help.  especially now
since this thing is really taking off and we are both swamped.  this weekend
i am heading to atlanta to finish maping the georgia portion of the ride.
if any listees care to join up and meet for dinner or something please
e-mail me privately.  look for the ride brochure on the resources table at
the concerts this week gang!!!

peace
nancy

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 13:36:04 -0700
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hi,

i have been off-and-on the list lately, so i have no idea if this is old news or
what but  i just noticed that at least on bay area vh1,

saturday's schedule shows:

7:30 am  vh1
before they were rock stars #3 -grammy

an intimate look at performers before they became superstars; features rare
footage  and photos of alanis morissette, seal,  erykah badu, barbra streisand,
indigo girls, paula cole, shawn colvin, and bob dylan

is this worth taping??

thanks,


larissa

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 16:44:46 -0400
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yeah, if you haven't seen it, it's definitely worth taping.  if not just for
amy in a track uniform.

:)

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 13:59:02 -0700
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>how do you all know for certain
> that amy smokes?  this
> brand?  and where the hell do you find out what
> tampon she uses and why on
> earth would this be something worth knowing?

amen, nancy!  the latter is information i do not wish
to know, and neither should anyone else. grrross!!!!
what's gonna be next?  pondering as to which hand she
wipes her rear with???  geez people!!!  i'm really
gonna have to worry about some of y'all if you're
interested in knowing some of these gory details. ugh

as for smoking, i thought i read that she quit smoking
cigarettes a couple of years ago.  however, a friend
of mine who was chosen to go backstage and discuss
issues with amy before one of last year's spitfire
events told me that she said she rolls her own ciggies
(and even rolled one for my friend while she was
there:)  but who really cares about this stuff anyway?


i would advise against throwing anything onto the
stage.  you are not going to win their favor that way.
emily even commented at a recent show about people
throwing objects at them onstage.

peace!


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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 17:17:29 -0400
reply-to:     neil <neily@netreach.net>
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*screams frustratedly*
guys, guys, guys...

>>and where the hell do you find out what
>> tampon she uses and why on
>> earth would this be something worth knowing?
>
>amen, nancy!  the latter is information i do not wish
>to know, and neither should anyone else. grrross!!!!
>what's gonna be next?

it was a joke.
the tampon thing was a joke.
it wasn't my joke, but nevertheless it was a joke.
humour.
not serious.
irony
sarcasm
*growls*

you know, this past week, i've been seriously thinking we need to have a
list monster who goes 'round giving wedgies to people who deserve it. hey,
i'd be the first in line, could be kinda fun.

not that i'm saying anyone participating in this discussion deserved it
(that would be up to the monster to decide) but you know what i mean, right?

anyhoo... what i came here to say was:

throwing things = bad.
passing gifts = good.

your choice of gifts is up to you (personally, i would have thought
chocolate or flowers would be better than cigarettes) but nevertheless, a
thoughtful, between song presentation is what the person had in mind here,
not some carefully aimed curveball from the tenth row...

like you really needed someone to say that. hee.

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 17:52:05 -0400
reply-to:     susan brill <susan.brill@yale.edu>
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from:         susan brill <susan.brill@yale.edu>
subject:      re: amy cigs
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>
>throwing things = bad.
>passing gifts = good.

reminds me... at one of the recent shows i was right in front of amy in the
front row. someone walked up next to me about 3/4 into the show and gently
pushed two bouquets of flowers onto the stage (i think it works out to be
impt in ig gift giving to remember both girls or even the whole band). amy
nodded and smiled. at the end of the show she came over to pick up the
flowers, and as a gesture of thanks she walked to the edge of the stage,
took a guitar pick out of her mouth, and held it out to give it
(presumably) to the person who gave the gift of flowers. it was so funny to
see all the hands clamouring for that wet guitar pick... how weird for amy
to know that saliva on a piece of plastic is a precious gift to fans... in
my wildest rock star dreams i too have that power...

-s.

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hkf's,

nothing too earthshaking, but i've updated my site for denver, indy,
milwaukee, bloomington, dayton, & louisville based on the onsale info on tm.
please let me know of any errors...  and let us know of any new
information...

thanks!

ps:  my favorite deodorant is speedstick, so in case you see me walking down
the street, you can chuck one of those at me so i can feel like a rock star
;)

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neil wrote:
>  we need to have a list monster who goes 'round giving wedgies to
>people who deserve it.

wedgie madness!  i love it!

> hey, i'd be the first in line . . .

so, you'd be first in line to give or receive?
hmmmm . . . neil, my buddy . . .
>
> throwing things = bad.
> passing gifts = good.
this throwing things on stage discussion brings to mind a concert where
ian anderson of jethro tull got injured (and subsequently had to cancel
some concerts) when a well-meaning, good intentioned, fan threw a rose
onstage - it hit him in the eye and did serious damage to his cornea.
as neil says, throwing bad - passing good!  (wedgies better).

elaine

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in a message dated 10/26/99 5:22:11 pm eastern daylight time,
neily@netreach.net writes:

<< (that would be up to the monster to decide) >>

did somebody call my name?

;~)

~ elizabeth

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at last year's lilith in l.a., someone threw flowers to natalie merchant and
it gave her a fat lip.  she was still talking about it when she got to new
mexico two days later for lilith.

> throwing things = bad.
> passing gifts = good.

"and it's que sera sera in black and pink", melissa e.-cherry avenue

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hey kids....
check out these shows... i promise you wont be disappointed...

jess klein news
http://www.jessklein.com
reply-to: guamusic@aol.com
boo.

special announcement time:
former ani difranco sidekick/drummer andy stochansky and his band take to the
states this fall! catch andy on tour, and maybe find someone familiar sharing
the stage.. (that's right, there is jess-klein relevance here. see below).

this tour celebrates the recent release of andy's second cd, radiofusebox.
it's just plain amazing. period. so pick up a copy first chance you get, and
please try to come out to a show - you won't be disappointed. for info,
sounds, management and diverse other forms of curiosity-appeasing tidbits,
pleasepleaseplease go to http://www.andystochansky.com.

before we pass along andy's dates, here's a quick reminder: voices on the
verge (klein, mckeown, amsel, polenzani) will be at the somerville theatre in
somerville ma 7pm on, 11/20, with lori mckenna, kris delmhorst, and faith
soloway doing solo sets. call 617.628.3390 or ticketmaster (617.931.2000) for
tickets. more voices and jess klein dates to come in future emails, so stay
tuned.. (or, if you really can't wait, visit the artists' web sites or
http://www.musi-cal.com).

and now..
you know the drill:

please note:
the following dates are for
andy stochansky!!

tues 10/26, 9pm. the kyber - philadelphia, pa.
tickets $6 - 215.238.9964 - 21+
hot & hazy and max meyer open (andy goes on @ 11)

*************************************
wed 10/27, 7pm. milestones - rochester ny
split bill with jess klein
716.325.6490
*************************************

thur 11/4, 8:30pm. vassar college - poughkeepsie ny
tickets (914) 437-4636 - free for students, $5.00 off-campus
all ages. (andy stochansky)

fri 11/5, 9pm. brownies - new york ny.
169 avenue a. (212) 420-8392.
tickets $8. show is 21+.
triple bill w/ feather merchants and the silos.
(andy stochansky)

sat 11/6, 7pm. the iron horse - northampton ma
20 center street - tickets $8. call 1.800.the.tick.
all ages,  split bill with mighty purple.
(andy stochansky)

*************************************
sun 11/7, 9pm. the met cafe - providence ri
split bill with erin mckeown (her cd release party!!)
130 union street
tickets are $8 - 401.861.2142 - 18+.
(http://www.erinmckeown.com)
*************************************

please feel free to forward this to any email lists, friends, family, etc etc
etc..

and, as always, check http://www.musi-cal.com for more info and regular
updates.

we're keeping it short here, so if there are any questions or concerns,
please direct them to guamusic@aol.com.

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that's creepy that a whitesupremacist named jewgrinder would  like the
girls.....unless  the person was just looking for trouble, which is even
scarier.

in any case,  i'm surprized, that that person wasn't booted out as soon
as they came.

people who use their free speech to  hurt/and or kill others don't
deserve free speech. and that's the bottom line, and if those people cry
censorship, well,  so be it.  in order to protect
people's right to be who they are in safety,   censorship is needed
sometimes,  even if  that means i get censored someday.

peace,

barb

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hey mike,

is there no information about the columbus, ohio date?!...there's nothing
listed on tm's web site...i'm starting to get worried that the tickets will
go on sale and i'll miss that first-five-minute-rush!...i've already bought
the plane ticket!ack!...
hellllp!

rugbygrrl

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>subject: tour y'all
>date: tue, 26 oct 1999 18:09:05 -0400
>
>hkf's,
>
>nothing too earthshaking, but i've updated my site for denver, indy,
>milwaukee, bloomington, dayton, & louisville based on the onsale info on
>tm.
>please let me know of any errors...  and let us know of any new
>information...
>
>thanks!
>
>ps:  my favorite deodorant is speedstick, so in case you see me walking
>down
>the street, you can chuck one of those at me so i can feel like a rock star
>;)
>
>a+e=ig
>
>mcunningham5@earthlink.net
>http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/indigotour.html
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hey there,

for all of you in st. louis or near tickets go on sale
saturday for the girls.  it will be at the fox on dec.
1 and metrotix is the place to buy.  i am extremely
excited and plan to get there early.  alice


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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 19:21:29 -0500
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can anyone let me know when tickets go on sale to students for eau
claire's show... it got erased and i'm trying to hook up with info.

much appreciated

cb
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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 20:19:16 edt
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does anyone have or know where i can get the chords for hey jesus?
thanks.

cindy :)

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 21:19:41 edt
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hi y'all. this is the 2nd nigc i've sent since i'm on the list, and last one
for a long time. a listee sent me this very educating info, and i thought i
should share with y'all. please, this is just info, history, totally
objective.

peace and love,
dottie

in a message dated 10/26/99 3:09:53 pm,
<< no flames from here. i am an historian, and you are quite right.  in fact
the history
channel just did a repeat of the special on japanese medical research unit
731 in
manchuria...who were developing germ warfare bombs to drop on the us.  as
late as 1947
10's of thousands of chinese villagers were dieing of anthrax, bubonic plague
and other
*really* bad stuff.  btw...live dissectionof humans was used in their
research widely.  this is
incredibly well documented, but denied in all of japans history.  the bombs
were bad..very
bad...but many many more americans would have died in an invasion of japan
(which would
have been neccesary to end the war if the bombs hadn't been dropped.  besides
this, japan
refuses to acknowledge they were the aggressors..invading china in the 30's
etc etc..its all such
a sad sorry history.  japanese children know nothing of this..unlike german
children who are
educated face their countries past.


please don't flame me. but i think before the nuclear bomb hits japan, it was
killing and torturing tons of people in china, also, they are changing the
history book so the kids wouldn't think their country did this horrible
thing. i don't remember the details, but i'm sure a little research will do.

war is so stupid. no one, not even soldiers, deserve to die because of a war.
each person is someone's loved one.

peace everyone
dottie

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 22:55:59 edt
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alright, so who's gonna get me to these ohio concerts? just kidding. ;)
anyway, i know this has been discussed before but what is the best way to
attempt to get good, close seats? shoot, i can't believe tickets go onsale
for dayton in 3 days. i'm going to have to decide quickly if i can do
it...it's right before finals and all. sigh. the trials and tribulations of
being an indigo girls fan and a college student. :o)
thanks!
becky
ps-a big thank you to michael cunningham for keeping us so up to date with
the latest ig tour info!

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 23:02:27 edt
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i'm not sure if anyone's posted these yet or not, but...anyone know the
guitar chords to faye tucker (or know where they can be found)?  a group of
friends and i want to jam on this song (guitars, percussion, cello, and
flute), and we don't want to dishonor the girls by playing the wrong
chords...;)  thanks in advance...
peace tonight,
pony

p.s.  i can't help but wish that there were bumper stickers that said "let's
make peace tonight" - ig.  i know we can't make stickers with lyrics because
of copyright laws, but maybe rcam will come up with some much-needed new
indigo bumper stickers using cons lyrics! (we can dream, can't we?)

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this is a final call to all the people planning on attending the list =
meet in dallas on thursday.  if you have not gotten in touch with me =
yet, please do.  i do not want to see anyone get left out because we did =
not know you were coming.  it looks like we are going to have a pretty =
good turn out.  see you there:)

jason lee

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  hey ya'll, here are the final plans for the list meet at the bronco =
bowl in dallas.  we are going to meet at luby's (about 1/2 mile from the =
bb) on the corner of hampton and fort worth ave at 6:00pm.  if you are =
not able to make it to luby's we are going to meet again by the will =
call at the bronco bowl at 7:00pm (show starts at 8:00).  i am 5'9" with =
really short brown hair and i will most likely be wearing blue jeans and =
a michelle malone "homegrown" t-shirt.  if you need directions you can =
call the bronco bowl at (214)-943-1777 or go to their website at =
www.broncobowl.com/ .  if you have any other questions feel free to =
email me and i will be happy to help.  hope to see all of you there.

  =20
  jason lee
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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 23:53:03 edt
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in a message dated 99-10-26 16:59:55 edt, morrison_joan@yahoo.com writes:

<< i would advise against throwing anything onto the
stage.  you are not going to win their favor that way.
  emily even commented at a recent show about people
throwing objects at them onstage. >>


ditto      apparently when you are on stage, because of the lighting, you
cant see objects being thrown until they practically hit you, i think emily
said something about how frightening it is to have stuff thrown

indi

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date:         tue, 26 oct 1999 21:38:04 -0700
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hi,

my gf and i will be traveling to vegas this saturday for the ig show at the
house of blues.  anyone out there that wants to meet up before the show?

also, still looking for anyone interested in getting together for a list meet
this coming monday for the phoenix show.

email me privately

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date:         wed, 27 oct 1999 10:05:59 +0100
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i just got this in my mail this morning, and it struck me as one of the most sickening things
iv'e ever read.....

advocate update editors wrote:

> "tangeman assured jurors that shepard could not have suffered too
> much, out there for days tied to that fence. [because] mckinney destroyed
> his brain stem."

john.
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http://www.cnn.com/us/9910/26/mumia.stay/index.html

sarah

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date:         wed, 27 oct 1999 12:11:45 -0500
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hey from austin! great show last night. i didn't bother writing set lists or
anything like that, i wanted to just enjoy the show. also wasn't planning on
going again tonight however, a freind called this morning and has, not one,
but two extra tickets. so it looks like i'm going again tonight. that still
leaves us with one extra ticket if anybody wants it. email me before 5 or so
tonight, i'll check my email before i leave the house. also, i'm meeting my
friend in the restraunt at the backyard around 6:30 tonight. if any listees
want to meet up. i'll probably be wearing what i've got on right now, a long
sleeve kinda peachy colored t-shirt, and blue jeans. i'm short, have short
(not real short) blonde hair. even if ya don't want the ticket, stop by and
say hi! oh, the ticket is assigned seating, not general admission.

linda

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is anyone that's going to the show want to meet before or after the
show? is anyone planning on waiting around for autographs?

it's less than a week away, i can't wait. :)
~renee

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date:         wed, 27 oct 1999 13:29:56 -0400
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someone anonymously mailed me a really great disk called "wrek night" that
i'm thinking of using on an upcoming double boot set that i'm doing, and i
need to know if they'll be offended if i use it for the list.  so, please
blow your identity, give me a chance to thank you, and offer any info to me
you can about this - like a date would be great.

thanks - sorry to bother the rest of ya'll.

-tara

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date:         wed, 27 oct 1999 12:11:13 -0600
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on tue, 26 oct 1999 indigopony@aol.com wrote:

> p.s.  i can't help but wish that there were bumper stickers that said "let's
> make peace tonight" - ig.  i know we can't make stickers with lyrics because
> of copyright laws, but maybe rcam will come up with some much-needed new
> indigo bumper stickers using cons lyrics! (we can dream, can't we?)
>

speaking of the illustrious rcam, has anyone else been severely deficient
in the newsletter dept. and think it's about time the money burning a
whole in my pocket was used on some new ig merchandise (if only good ol'
russell would send me an order form)? or even from indigogirlsdirect.com
if they'd get the damn site up and moving and not just lead me on
every time i click on "apparel" or "collectibles" or "accessories".

i thought so.

amy m.

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                -the goddess, emily saliers

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date:         wed, 27 oct 1999 14:15:14 -0500
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mtm wrote:
>
> i imagine this one will rankle the emilyphiles. it's from the music
> monitor, published by a regional chain called the record exchange.
> copied and pasted from their web site (address given below - there's a
> photo to go with the article there):
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> indigo girls
>    come on
>    now social
>    (epic)
>    by anne hamner
>
>  indigo girls releases have always been
>  schizophrenic. amy ray and emily saliers don't
>  write their songs together and their personalities and
>  interests result in songs very distinctive from each
>  other. this schism has never been more evident than
>  on their ninth album, come on now social.
>
>  the good news is that amy ray has continued to
>  develop as a songwriter. her songs on ...social are a
>  huge step forward from her previous attempts at
>  combining her personal and political concerns. while
>  earlier lyrics were sometimes marred by cliches and a
>  vague, personal mythology, these new songs are
>  focused and powerful. her best songs here have a
>  relaxed, folky intimacy. "gone again," an indigo
>  girls live staple during the past year, could be a band
>  outtake; rick danko and garth hudson anchor its
>  loping melody, and sheryl crow sings backup.
>  "ozilline," a song dedicated to her grandmother, is a
>  meditation on life cycles, and contains her most
>  moving, vulnerable lyrics. "faye tucker," about the
>  first woman to be executed in texas since the civil
>  war, ends the album on a transcendent note; the
>  appalachian melody suddenly veers into arabic
>  territory as tablas rise in the mix and natacha atlas
>  wails to the fade.
>
>  unfortunately, the power of ray's new songs is
>  undermined by emily saliers' failure to rise to the
>  occasion. producer john reynolds experiments with
>  some interesting arrangements (including the breezy
>  joni mitchell feel of "we are together" and the
>  memphis soul of "peace tonight"), but her songs
>  suffer from sophomoric lyrics. "trouble" sounds
>  great, with an xtc melody and clattering drums
>  mixed loud, but its lyrics inspire cringes. it's difficult
>  to understand why "philosophy of loss" was tacked
>  on as a hidden track; loaded with inane, schoolgirl
>  sentiments, it's saliers' worst song yet.
>
>  half of come on now social represents the work of
>  a passionate, articulate songwriter delivering her best
>  work yet. perhaps it's time for amy ray to begin
>  considering a solo career.
>
> end of article - web site is
>
>  http://www.penduluminc.com/mm/welcome.htm
>
> click on "reviews" to find the article...
>
> mike

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hmm i agree and disagree.  amy has definately developed as a songwriter but
hello??? was he not paying any blooming attention to em's lyrics.  yes
they're rimey but they are meaningful.  this is exactly why when i read a
flaming review i know i will love whatever it is.

nancy
who hates dumbass reviewers

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mtm wrote:
>
> i imagine this one will rankle the emilyphiles. it's from the music
> monitor, published by a regional chain called the record exchange.
> copied and pasted from their web site (address given below - there's a
> photo to go with the article there):
>
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> indigo girls
>    come on
>    now social
>    (epic)
>    by anne hamner
>
>  indigo girls releases have always been
>  schizophrenic. amy ray and emily saliers don't
>  write their songs together and their personalities and
>  interests result in songs very distinctive from each
>  other. this schism has never been more evident than
>  on their ninth album, come on now social.
>
>  the good news is that amy ray has continued to
>  develop as a songwriter. her songs on ...social are a
>  huge step forward from her previous attempts at
>  combining her personal and political concerns. while
>  earlier lyrics were sometimes marred by cliches and a
>  vague, personal mythology, these new songs are
>  focused and powerful. her best songs here have a
>  relaxed, folky intimacy. "gone again," an indigo
>  girls live staple during the past year, could be a band
>  outtake; rick danko and garth hudson anchor its
>  loping melody, and sheryl crow sings backup.
>  "ozilline," a song dedicated to her grandmother, is a
>  meditation on life cycles, and contains her most
>  moving, vulnerable lyrics. "faye tucker," about the
>  first woman to be executed in texas since the civil
>  war, ends the album on a transcendent note; the
>  appalachian melody suddenly veers into arabic
>  territory as tablas rise in the mix and natacha atlas
>  wails to the fade.
>
>  unfortunately, the power of ray's new songs is
>  undermined by emily saliers' failure to rise to the
>  occasion. producer john reynolds experiments with
>  some interesting arrangements (including the breezy
>  joni mitchell feel of "we are together" and the
>  memphis soul of "peace tonight"), but her songs
>  suffer from sophomoric lyrics. "trouble" sounds
>  great, with an xtc melody and clattering drums
>  mixed loud, but its lyrics inspire cringes. it's difficult
>  to understand why "philosophy of loss" was tacked
>  on as a hidden track; loaded with inane, schoolgirl
>  sentiments, it's saliers' worst song yet.
>
>  half of come on now social represents the work of
>  a passionate, articulate songwriter delivering her best
>  work yet. perhaps it's time for amy ray to begin
>  considering a solo career.
>
> end of article - web site is
>
>  http://www.penduluminc.com/mm/welcome.htm
>
> click on "reviews" to find the article...
>
> mike

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date:         wed, 27 oct 1999 12:50:57 -0700
reply-to:     dawn manuel <venussage@yahoo.com>
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at least i started a new thread!  we needed one.
ya'll have a good day.  :)

--- elaine bean <efbean@erols.com> wrote:
> neil wrote:
> >  we need to have a list monster who goes 'round giving wedgies to
> >people who deserve it.
>
> wedgie madness!  i love it!


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please excuse if this is an old question, but can someone tell me what
the melbourne wrecking crew is?  it's been bothering me.
if this is an old thread, please e-mail me privately!
thanks!

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reply-to:     box lunch <box.lunch@excite.com>
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and a fine thread it is!
wedgie, anyone? come on, it's especially fun when you're wearing a thong!

oh, for what it's worth, the tampon remark was just that, a remark. perhaps
next time i comment i'll remember to indicate that which i'm addressing with
<obnoxious comment>  </obnoxious comment>.

and no, i have no clue about what brand of feminie hygiene products a
certain individual uses, nor do i care.

-det. munch

i'll take a wedgie over a vedgie ;-)

and now for a bit of igc: just why *did* they play galileo twice a few
nights ago. i hope that doesn't become a habit. i can see the future
setlists:

galileo
closer to fine
galileo
closer to fine
galileo
closer to fine
galileo
closer to fine
galileo
closer to fine
galileo
closer to fine
galileo
closer to fine
galileo
closer to fine
***************
encore:
galileo
closer to fine


on      wed, 27 oct 1999 12:50:57 -0700, dawn manuel wrote:

> at least i started a new thread!  we needed one.
> ya'll have a good day.  :)


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hey gang,
i'm in kind of a jam. i have a friend who can get me two tickets to the
chicago show on dec 5th. they're dead center in the orchestra pit row
aaa....you can't get any closer to the girls than this. the only thing is
they're pretty expensive....not outrageous, but none of my friends were
willing to pay for the other one, and they're only sold in a pair. so i
really really want to buy them, if anyone is interested in the other one,
please please please let me know as soon as possible and we'll work
something out. thanks, and happy concert going to all :)
lia

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amy's songwriting talent ? undermined by emily and her failure to <<rise
to the occasion?>>  what the hell is this anne hamner talking about?! <<
sophomoric lyrics>> my fat ass.

i've mostly considerred myself to be an amy girl, but i really believe
that perhaps anne hamner is one of those  examples of  the saying,
"those who can't do music become critics."

i've always liked that amy and emily don't write
together, they wouldn't have lasted this long if they did.  from
listening and reading interviews
it sounds like they weren' having  so-called "artistic differences"
early on, whch is why they write separately.

unfortunately anne hamner has come between a rock and a hard place.  now
let's see if she can get her foot out of the ole mouth.


peace

barb  :-)

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date: wed, 27 oct 1999 15:35:25 -0500 (cdt)
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woops!  i forgot to take out the added n in "were" so it  came out as
"they weren" i hope you disregard  that. i don't mean weren't.

barb


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i like that setlist!  (heh, heh, heh) lol.

peace,

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okay, time for me to let the rant loose. everytime i read a review the says
something to the effect that any sort of idealistic lyrics are pretentious or
otherwise lame it totally pisses me off. i just don't understand what's wrong
with wanting to see some change and saying just that very bluntly. instead of
being praised as another way of opening up minds and encouraging action, a
song like philosophy of loss is "loaded with inane, schoolgirl sentiments."
thanks, that makes me and i'm sure a whole lot of other people feel better
about the state of society.
-sam (super tired after rocking through a luscious jackson concert and hanging
out afterwards to meet kate)

> >  unfortunately, the power of ray's new songs is
> >  undermined by emily saliers' failure to rise to the
> >  occasion. producer john reynolds experiments with
> >  some interesting arrangements (including the breezy
> >  joni mitchell feel of "we are together" and the
> >  memphis soul of "peace tonight"), but her songs
> >  suffer from sophomoric lyrics. "trouble" sounds
> >  great, with an xtc melody and clattering drums
> >  mixed loud, but its lyrics inspire cringes. it's difficult
> >  to understand why "philosophy of loss" was tacked
> >  on as a hidden track; loaded with inane, schoolgirl
> >  sentiments, it's saliers' worst song yet.

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>and now for a bit of igc: just why *did* they play galileo twice a few
>nights ago. i hope that doesn't become a habit. i can see the future
>setlists:
>
>galileo
>closer to fine
>galileo
>closer to fine
>galileo
>closer to fine
>galileo


lol! that was fabulous!

i really think they played galileo twice so they wouldn't have to hear
people yell it - after seeing this come up in four consecutive shows, i
could see that they really were bugged by it. when we had a thread going
about strategies to stop the yelling, a friend and i actually thought of
this playing it twice thing, but we thought we were kidding!. here's how
the logic goes: in order to avoid having folks yelling about galileo you
have to play it near the start of the show - #3 is ideal. but then what do
you close with if you are trying to avoid going back to ctf? galileo! makes
perfect sense.

but it would bug me to be at one of those concerts thinking, "i could have
heard another song if this galileo yelling thing would just stop..."

however, i think folks will get the point if they keep doing the concerts
this way.

-s.

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you know these trendy teeny boppers need to stay at home if their gonna be
yelling for "the girls" to play the only two songs they know!!! (i don't need
to mention what they are we all know!) you know that half of these annoying
little brats only know these songs and are going to the concert because it's
the "different" thing to do it's "original" well i'll tell ya what, i'm goin
to the show in dallas tomm. and i better not hear any of that going on cuz i
want a&e to feel welcome there and have fun just like the rest of us!!! and
i'm sure i haven't offended any of you on the list because i believe that
everyone on here is not like the person i described above we all love the ig
for every part of who they are with the old music and the new!!!! we rock!!!
take it easy y'all.......and for all those goin to dallas tommorrow, see
y"all there!!!
-----------mandy :)

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hey all,

just a brief note sticking up for the "teenyboppers"--when i started
listening to the girls, i was, oh, fourteen or so--and somehow i don't think
i'm alone in this...everyone who ever listened to the indigo girls alongside
the new kids or duran duran, raise your right hand, now...and i started
listening to them because a review in a magazine told me they were
"different" and cool...and as much as i'd like to posture otherwise, i was
probably at least as immature as all the rest of those "teenyboppers who
only yell for the girls to play the only two songs they know"--(excepting,
of course, the fact that, had i seen them in concert, i probably wouldn't
have yelled anything, not because i wasn't immature, but because i spent
most of high school barely talking to anyone, let alone yelling and
screaming at a concert...but that's besides the point, so we'll just forget
about it for a minute, all right?).  but eight or nine years later, i look
back and see how much cooler my life is and has been because i've had this
awesome music to listen to.  as cheesy as it is, the ig's music (and that of
the other folkie/rockie singer/songwriter sorts i've started listening to
through them) has really helped me grow up and fake my way into an
intelligent, literate, little adulthood.

granted, it can be annoying to hear someone (of any age) yell for a song
over and over, or giggle and fawn excessively--its also endearing to see how
much the music is affecting them. let's have some sympathy for the
youngin's...i think there's a lot of younger fans out there who are just
reacting to the music in the only way they know how.

now drunk fans, they be a different beast entirely...

peace and rocking,
shel

>you know these trendy teeny boppers need to stay at home if their gonna be
>yelling for "the girls" to play the only two songs they know!!! (i don't
>need to mention what they are we all know!) you know that half of these
>annoying little brats only know these songs and are going to the concert
>because it's the "different" thing to do it's "original"

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hey folks,

forwarded from the newsgroup...

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded message---
>from: indigosteve@webtv.net (steve)
>subject: st. louis on sale on line only!
>date: wed, 27 oct 1999 13:02:04 -0500 (cdt)
>
>they put tix on sale today a 10 for the fox theatre, got second row amy
>side! theyare only available on line till sat at 10 for outlet sales!
>

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subject:      (fwd) ig artistdirect contest
date: sun, 21 nov 1999 20:05:04 +0000
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subject:      file: "indigo-girls log9910d"
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hey folks,

>from the newsgroup...

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded message---
>from: lugwebdesign@my-deja.com
>subject: ig artistdirect contest
>date: wed, 27 oct 1999 12:56:58 gmt
>
>hey y'all-
>i just wanted to let everyone know about the contest on the indigogirls
>direct site. it is a chance to win an autographed copy of the new "come
>on now social" cd and an autographed photo. you can find the contest at:
>http://www.indigogirlsdirect.com
>if you scroll down towards the bottom of the page and click on the
>banner, a new window will pop-up for registration.
>good luck and make their site a success!
>jen
>
>
>sent via deja.com http://www.deja.com/
>before you buy.

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hey folks,

another from the newsgroup - please direct your replies to
the original sender at coaeig@aol.com, not to me, thanks.

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded message---
>from: coaeig@aol.com (coaeig)
>subject: denver ticket for sale
>date: 26 oct 1999 17:33:13 gmt
>
>i have one ticket for the denver show at the fillmore auditorium on nov.
19th -
>email if interested.

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date:         wed, 27 oct 1999 21:16:50 edt
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hey all :)
i have two tickets to the portand show and 2 tickets to the eugene show for
sale.  i bought these a while ago so they should be much bettet seats than
what you can get now.

the portland show's seat are in sec 105, row n, seats 4 and 5 and i paid
$74.50 for them.

the eugene show's seats are section b, 245 and 246. i paid $63.00 for them.

i will take the best offer that comes...

email me if interested rtsimantel@aol.com

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hello everybody.  =)  i emailed the list a while ago (maybe a month or so)
about starting a gay-straight alliance at my high school.  it looks like the
club may not get approved for a charter.  (at my school, kids in asb vote for
or against the charter, and there are  a lot of religious and homophobic kids
at my school-not to say those things always go hand-in-hand.)  anyway, if my
club doesn't get chartered, i may sue the school district.  i have already
talked to the aclu, but my question to everybody is, has anyone ever had to
do anything like this?  if so, anybody have any advice for me?  this is
something that is very foreign to me, so i'm a little bit.....worried i
guess.  thanks everybody =)


                                ---lindy =)

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in a message dated 10/27/99 1:11:48 pm central daylight time,
indigrrl@selway.umt.edu writes:

<< speaking of the illustrious rcam, has anyone else been severely deficient
in the newsletter dept. >>

newsletters?  oh, you mean we're supposed to get newsletters from the fan
club... i thought maybe they were just taking a survey on how many people
were gullible enough to call/write/email...
<snarl>  i'm sorry, but all sarcasm aside, i wish they'd just charge dues and
send out something on a regular basis!  i pay out the nose for my melissa
etheridge fan club membership, but damnit, i get something back for it!  at
least i feel like they care enough to keep us updated, and if i have to pay
for it, well, my dues cover the cost of postage plus the cost of printing up
what i must say is a very high-quality newsletter.  get it together, rcam!

~~jennifer
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in a message dated 10/27/99 3:21:12 pm central daylight time,
box.lunch@excite.com writes:

<< galileo
closer to fine
galileo
closer to fine
***************
encore:
galileo
closer to fine >>

actually, what disturbed me was that we are seeing a frightening trend toward
closer to fine not closing the show... anyone have any insights?  i'm willing
to bet that some of us "older" listees who are used to hearing c2f at the end
about peed themselves when it came in the middle, accmpanied with thoughts to
the effect of "it can't be over yet!!!!!!!"
anybody?

~~jennifer
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hey folks,

this article is from http://www.launch.com...

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded article---
indigo girl saliers recalls a harrowing halloween

(10/27/99, 10 a.m. pdt) - "i love halloween," says emily
saliers, one half of indigo girls. but it wasn't always
that way for the singer-songwriter. as a child, she
suffered an incident that might put a lot of kids off
halloween for good.

"when i was two years old, my halloween bag got stolen.
it was very traumatic," sailers told launch. "we were
living in the city, and it was a very traumatic
halloween."

"i got mugged as a toddler," she added. "it wasn't very
fun, but halloweens have gotten better after that."

saliers now enjoys the holiday. "my favorite part of
halloween now is giving the candy out to the kids, and
sticking a cassette player out in the bushes out front
that plays spooky music," she said. "i love carving
pumpkins, i love toasting the pumpkin seeds, i love
fall. so, halloween's fun, dressing up...it's like you
get to be a drag queen. it's fun."

this year, the girls won't be home for halloween. the
pair is in the middle of a tour in support of the new
album, come on now social, and are set to play in san
diego on halloween.

-- darren davis, new york

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reply-to:     box lunch <box.lunch@excite.com>
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this supports my theory that cons is the indigo girl's "sgt. pepper"
(anything to get amy back into that cute little blue sgt. pepper-looking
outfit;).  and it might be time for a solo album from each - had the beatles
done this, the ugly break up could have been avoided.  i wonder what brand
of cigarettes john smoked.......

det. munch

p.s  the walrus is emily

> indigo girls
>    come on
>    now social
>    (epic)
>    by anne hamner
>
>  indigo girls releases have always been
>  schizophrenic. amy ray and emily saliers don't
>  write their songs together and their personalities and
>  interests result in songs very distinctive from each
>  other. this schism has never been more evident than
>  on their ninth album, come on now social.
>
>  the good news is that amy ray has continued to
>  develop as a songwriter. her songs on ...social are a
>  huge step forward from her previous attempts at
>  combining her personal and political concerns. while
>  earlier lyrics were sometimes marred by cliches and a
>  vague, personal mythology, these new songs are
>  focused and powerful. her best songs here have a
>  relaxed, folky intimacy. "gone again," an indigo
>  girls live staple during the past year, could be a band
>  outtake; rick danko and garth hudson anchor its
>  loping melody, and sheryl crow sings backup.
>  "ozilline," a song dedicated to her grandmother, is a
>  meditation on life cycles, and contains her most
>  moving, vulnerable lyrics. "faye tucker," about the
>  first woman to be executed in texas since the civil
>  war, ends the album on a transcendent note; the
>  appalachian melody suddenly veers into arabic
>  territory as tablas rise in the mix and natacha atlas
>  wails to the fade.
>
>  unfortunately, the power of ray's new songs is
>  undermined by emily saliers' failure to rise to the
>  occasion. producer john reynolds experiments with
>  some interesting arrangements (including the breezy
>  joni mitchell feel of "we are together" and the
>  memphis soul of "peace tonight"), but her songs
>  suffer from sophomoric lyrics. "trouble" sounds
>  great, with an xtc melody and clattering drums
>  mixed loud, but its lyrics inspire cringes. it's difficult
>  to understand why "philosophy of loss" was tacked
>  on as a hidden track; loaded with inane, schoolgirl
>  sentiments, it's saliers' worst song yet.
>
>  half of come on now social represents the work of
>  a passionate, articulate songwriter delivering her best
>  work yet. perhaps it's time for amy ray to begin
>  considering a solo career.
>
> end of article - web site is
>
>  http://www.penduluminc.com/mm/welcome.htm
>
> click on "reviews" to find the article...
>
> mike


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date:         wed, 27 oct 1999 23:15:42 edt
reply-to:     shannon mast <shannonmast@hotmail.com>
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okay, please tell me that i wasn't the only one who found this amusing! the
best part is that the writer takes it so seriously. "saliers now enjoys the
holiday," and the title of the article is "indigo girl recalls a *harrowing*
halloween"?!?
come on! :)  ya' gotta love these journalists who are hard up for solid ig
news.

oh come on, i'm joking! it's an adorable story...and how cute is emily,
talking about being a drag queen?? awwwww... :)

shannon

---begin forwarded article---
indigo girl saliers recalls a harrowing halloween

(10/27/99, 10 a.m. pdt) - "i love halloween," says emily
saliers, one half of indigo girls. but it wasn't always
that way for the singer-songwriter. as a child, she
suffered an incident that might put a lot of kids off
halloween for good.

"when i was two years old, my halloween bag got stolen.
it was very traumatic," sailers told launch. "we were
living in the city, and it was a very traumatic
halloween."

"i got mugged as a toddler," she added. "it wasn't very
fun, but halloweens have gotten better after that."

saliers now enjoys the holiday. "my favorite part of
halloween now is giving the candy out to the kids, and
sticking a cassette player out in the bushes out front
that plays spooky music," she said. "i love carving
pumpkins, i love toasting the pumpkin seeds, i love
fall. so, halloween's fun, dressing up...it's like you
get to be a drag queen. it's fun."

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subject:      re: rcam and the "fan club" (was re: faye tucker chords)
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wow you said it man!  i think it's more than just rcam.....five years
ago  i  got n the ig mailing list expecting the same thing you do...but
what
i got was a little card with ig  tour dates ,  and
ig bric-a-brac.  i wrote in several times, i even
called long distance.  until they put up their website, i said that ig
fan club was nothing more than  a merchandizing outlet.

nobody responds to your letters there, they won't even acknowledge your
existance,  yet
they ask you to spend money on the girls  so
the head haunchos like russell carter and alll
his crew that sets up the girls' tours, their pr agents, not to mention
the people at epic,  get
nice huge checks.  i definately do think the girls don't appreciate
hearing that their fan club is a merchandizing outlet and nothing
else.and
that  their fans feel ripped-off.

i also think however that they are gone on their
tours 200 nights out of the year,on official ig tours and  then there's
their other shows they do   and they  have.
people under them who  must at least see their
email.  and still  nobody gets back to us to let
us know that they care.  now that mkes the girls look really self
absorbed,  so maybe we could put it out over to listees to  start
pressuring russell carter artist management ltd  to start listening to
us.

and it wouldn't hurt to write the girls,  not just emails, but
hand-written letters that can go out
to them on occasions when they are around.
what do you think?

peace,

barb

ps once upon  time the girls used to put out 2
      newsletters a year, at least, but that was be-
      fore their hiatus.

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barbinmn@webtv.net writes:

<< and that  their fans feel ripped-off. >>

at the same time, you get what you pay for....

the fan club could be more exciting.  i haven't recieved anything in a really
long time.  but there's mildly interesting stuff on the web page, and we've
got the list.... i'd honestly rather get an occassional flyer than pay $20
for quarterly magazines...

~ elizabeth

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does anyone else think the sister reprise sounds almost exactly like the
original? i don't think i could tell the difference if i had to listen to
them both and then decide which was which. anyone? bron

  and if i hear one more time about a fool's right to his tools of rage, i'm
gonna take all my friends and i'm going to move to canada and we're going to
die of old age - ani difranco

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i  fell my qoute has been taken out of context.
so to restate it, i'm saying that sure we pay for
the concerts, and yeah they're damned good ones.....but, for one thing,
i feel sometimes like they take us for granted.  (oh yeah they
complement us when' we'r good to them,and that's nice to hear. )  we
always go to their shows.  they can't give their shows that bring  the
money in, ( they get paid $30,000 a night not to mention what we give
epic records,) without us .

they do have a website, but they don't contribute  to it. and they used
to  do newsletters for free.....not anymore, and besides that i love to
read, and anything they write in  a newsletter is a plus , that $25-30
and over for a show is substantial enough for
them to have one.i'm not calling the girls materialististic, i'm jst
sayig that they're going to call rcam a fan club, they should make it
like one.  that's all.

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........and put out a newsletter, is that too much to ask of the girls?
or  russell carter, their
manager?

barb

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was happy when i saw this e-mail.  was sad when i went to the site, and saw
that "contest open to us residents 13 years of age and older only".  to
clarify, i am (way) older than 13, but am not a us resident.  boo hoo.

also very annoyed at that "person" who criticised emily's talents.  i
don't like critics - never have - never will.

fare thee well, my bright stars.
-------


>> a chance to win an autographed copy of the new "come
>on now social" cd and an autographed photo. you can find the contest at:
>http://www.indigogirlsdirect.com

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 04:17:45 -0400
reply-to:     havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
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<< ........and put out a newsletter, is that too much to ask of the girls?
>>

with no disrespect intended, i think the girls' time is pretty well occupied
with touring, rehearsals, songwriting, interviews, etc.  and rc must have
his hands full keeping track of the revenue....

i really don't think there's any shortage of ig information....if my inbox
is any indication.....

i must admit to being somewhat perplexed at the amount of negative energy
being directed at two people who have given us so much.....

peace,
tim

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tigger's back <chakramgrrrl@aol.com> wrote:
<<<<<i'm sorry, but all sarcasm aside, i wish they'd just charge dues and
send out something on a regular basis!  i pay out the nose for my melissa
etheridge fan club membership, but damnit, i get something back for it!  at
least i feel like they care enough to keep us updated, and if i have to pay
for it, well, my dues cover the cost of postage plus the cost of printing up
what i must say is a very high-quality newsletter.  get it together,
rcam!>>>>>

you have got to be kidding me!!!!   pay dues...no way.i would much rather get
a newsletter once in a blue moon then have to deal with a commercial form of
advertising like that of the mein fan club!!!!!   please don't even compare
melissa etheridge to indigo girls.

so what should we suggest next!!!!  that we will pay dues to an ig fan club
and tell them to take a break for hmm 4 years and come back and that we would
pay 75 bucks a ticket to see them!!!!!  hmm sounds fimiliar!!!!!.....sorry
about the sarcasm but i think the melissa etheridge fan club is the biggest
joke of all times!!!!!   they screw you over big time...well you figure 75
bucks a ticket she is screwing her fans over big time!!!!!

again sorry about the sarcasm!!!
sandy

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i am really sorry for the nigc content here, but i did feel the need to reply to the e-mails regarding hiroshima.

if you do not want to read, simply hit "delete".

ok, let me say this upfront.  i have just returned from hiroshima.  it emotionally moved me more than any other place i have been to.

yes, the japanese were wrong for the manchurian incident, the rape of nanking, etc, etc. and, yes, they were also wrong for bombing pearl harbor.  it is no longer true that japanese children know nothing of the above mentioned incidents.  i have assisted in japanese elementary schools, and trust me, such events are included in current textbooks.  japan has (like all other nations) made mistakes.

after seeing hiroshima, i have reaffirmed my beliefs that dropping that bomb was wrong.  first of all, the japanese would have surrendered in a few months time anyway.  an invasion would not have been necessary.  secondly, we dropped the bomb as a test to see what types of damage it would do. we used the japanese as human test subjets.  thirdly, we dropped the bomb because we did not want russia to enter the war.  the americans (and yes, i am an american) wanted to come out on top, as a world power, and did not want the russians to share the spotlight.

the bomb was fatal, like no other weapon.  teh epicenter was right over an elementary school, and lots of children were either killed immediatly, or died due to aftereffects.  in fact, the rate of various types of cancer is still higher in hiroshima than it is in other parts of japan.  and the effects can still be seen.  some of the older people are still living with a-bomb related diseases.

i can not, nor will i ever, condone the bombings of hiroshima and nagasaki.  seeing , first hand, the suffering and misery they produced, i can not ever agree with truman's decision.

that is all i have to say on that.  thanks for reading (sorry for the long nigc post).  if you are interested in helping me with my crane project to bring back to hiroshima, please e-mail me privately, and i will send the details.

peace,
karen :-)

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daemon records is featured on the cover of this weeks atlanta creative
loafing.   this is copied from the creative loafing website at:
http://www.creativeloafing.com

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a decade of opposites attracting
how laface and daemon records helped define atlanta music in the '90s

by rhonda baraka
10/30/99

nineteen eighty-nine: atlanta is on the verge of the new decade -- a span of
years that will in many ways prove a coming-of-age for the city's cultural
life and identity.

out of the acoustic music clubs on the east side and in decatur, the indigo
girls have just exploded on the national scene with their self-titled major
label debut -- a record that birthed a coffeehouse standard in the hit
"closer to fine." and on the cusp of her success, indigo girl amy ray hatches
a plan she hopes will allow others in her community to benefit from her
newfound fame. she's in search of artists to sign to her new not-for-profit
indie label, daemon records.

meanwhile, up north -- first in norcross, later in buckhead -- star producers
antonio "l.a." reid and kenneth "babyface" edmonds have set up shop. they've
relocated from the midwest (by way of los angeles) with suspicions of
atlanta's potential as a place where black culture and commerce intersect.
already proven hitmakers, having produced acts such as paula abdul, pebbles,
sheena easton and the jacksons, l.a. and babyface have been awarded the
crowning validation of any producers' talents: legendary music industry exec
clive davis has offered the pair their own label deal through the major label
he runs, arista records.

and all over the city, unknown artists are busy writing, singing, rhyming,
trying to find their own style, their own voice. as the '80s give way to the
'90s, and the city settles into its role as the hub of southern music --
whether hip-hop and r&b, indie rock, contemporary folk or gospel -- many of
these performers will find themselves in the right place at the right time.

this year, as daemon records and laface records are celebrating their 10-year
anniversaries, scores of atlanta artists continue to hone their skills in
search of their big breaks. but unlike in decades past, the journey to
fulfilling musical ambitions now is as close as a trip across town.

for many starry-eyed singers, rappers and musicians, the road to success
winds down peachtree road to a tower in buckhead, where laface records makes
its home. for others, the dirt driveway of a warehouse near the railroad
tracks in kirkwood -- to the offices of daemon records -- lead them to
artistic freedom.

taken together, the two labels demonstrate the unprecedented depth of
atlanta's music industry, in both art and commerce. but more, with strong
voices emerging from the underground and mainstream, they are the signs of a
healthy local music culture.

the city wasn't always that way. when the labels opened their doors, the
commercial side of the atlanta music scene was more concept than reality, a
promise yet to be fulfilled.

"when i got here 10 years ago, there was not a music scene in atlanta," says
laface co-president reid.

reid says what made the scene pop was the arrival of stars like elton john,
the emergence of local such superacts as tlc and frequent visits by artists
like madonna and whitney houston, who came to work with atlanta's
much-in-demand producers. and even though reid and edmonds knew atlanta was a
city on the verge, their decision to move here had nothing to do with the
perceived dawning of a new motown in the south.

"we moved here for personal reasons," says reid, a native of cincinnati. "we
both lived in l.a. for several years and did not want to live there any more.
we just said, 'let's pick a town,' and we thought atlanta was the perfect
city. we really didn't know anything about the city and kind of decided
without visiting." within three months of reid and edmonds' move to atlanta,
in july 1989, the doors of laface swung open.

success was quick; the label's first act -- a male-female duo called damian
dame -- scored number one r&b singles with their first two releases,
"exclusivity" and "right down to it," both co-produced and co-written by l.a.
and babyface. though damian dame came out of michigan, and the label would
continue to sign acts from all over the country, laface gravitated early on
toward atlanta-based talent such as tlc, highland place mobsters and a few
good men. though the label never planned on a roster comprised mainly of
local acts, reid says it was to some extent inevitable.

"when we got here we made an effort to get out into the community and meet
people. we had auditions, talent searches, things like that. we started
having live auditions in our homes. it wasn't necessarily that we were
looking for atlanta talent, we were just living in atlanta and looking for
talent in general. so it happened that atlanta was always the first place we
would look, or the first people who would contact us."

as atlanta artists shaped laface's image, laface in turn helped define the
atlanta sound. says big boi, of atlanta rap act outkast, "we were the first
hip-hop act signed to the label back in '93. then they picked up our crew
members goodie mob and now they got [local rappers] youngbloodz, and they've
expanded to this whole realm. we allowed them to grow with us and obtain that
experience by dealing with groups the caliber of goodie mob and outkast."

these days, many laface artists are homegrown. even those who aren't
originally from here, including male vocalists sam salter and usher, often
end up hanging their hats in town. laface has become a true urban music
magnet, drawing artists, groupies and would-be industry movers and shakers to
the area. the label boasts some of the biggest sellers in music, among them
tlc, who with three releases have sold more than 22 million records
worldwide, and toni braxton, whose last album, secrets, sold a whopping 10
million copies.

in addition to the creative talent, reid says he is particularly proud of the
young executives laface has groomed. "we opened our company here and hired so
many young, aspiring executives, people who wanted to have positions in the
record industry but didn't really have a lot of places to turn. i think
laface has provided an opportunity and a learning ground for a lot of young
people to learn their trade and to realize their dreams."

though the company has grown to where a move to larger quarters is planned
for next year, laface's capital city plaza offices are nothing if not plush,
contemporary and stylish. gold and platinum plaques line the marbleized walls
of the waiting area. state-of-the-art sound systems pump out the latest
releases from one end of the corridor to the other.

the offices, though spacious, are filled to the brim, evidence of a company
that has grown beyond its own expectations. from the waiting area -- often a
campground for ambitious artists awaiting introductions or auditions -- to
the conference room, the laface office is always buzzing with activity,
ringing phones, staff meetings and lots of music.

music, of course, permeates through daemon records' offices as well, but
that's about where the similarities end. if laface is where artists go to be
stars, daemon is where they go just to be. rather than the products of
digital recording studios and production companies, those who gravitate
toward daemon come largely from the small clubs of intown atlanta. their
music is a kaleidoscope of everything that surrounds them: a pinch of rock, a
dash of hip-hop, touches of folk and punk, and a heaping of pop.

tucked away in atlanta's revitalized kirkwood neighborhood, the offices of
daemon records are a visual reflection of the label's earthy, no-frills
philosophy. the spacious warehouse, with its boarded windows and graffiti
art, sits alongside a railroad track, on an unpaved road bordered by a
kudzu-laced fence. the office, two rooms divided into four stations (one for
each employee), is furnished with desks and chairs that look like they came
with the building. the decor is accented by ceiling-high stacks of boxes of
leftover daemon product and piles of label catalogs.

it's no laface, but then daemon is an entirely different kind of animal. amy
ray founded the not-for-profit label for both altruistic and selfish reasons:
to give artists an untainted vehicle for their art, and to satisfy her own
appetite for good music. "when i hear a band that i really like, this thing
goes off in my body," she says. "i just want them to put out a cd, even if
it's just for me."

that's how ray felt a decade ago when she first heard daemon's inaugural act,
the ellen james society. "i heard their music and my head kinda started
spinning around." she signed them and declared daemon records open for
business. it's that kind of emotional reaction that still dictates the
label's a&r policies today. "we only sign what we like," says label manager
andrea white.

daemon attracts and recruits a certain breed of artist -- like locals
belloluna and 6x, and out-of-towners three finger cowboy and rose polenzani
-- whose primary goal is to get their own musical vision out, before
considerations of sales and marketing. according to white, daemon's
non-exclusive distribution deals with companies like nail on the west coast
and red eye in the southeast allow the label to have more control over its
markets, which are defined by the artists' tour circuits.

"we don't need to be in boise, idaho, because our bands never tour there,"
she says, adding that much of the label's product is sold at shows, festivals
and special events.

ray says the approach helps to fortify the underground scene that birthed and
nurtured the indigo girls. as with laface, a larger portion (though not all)
of daemon's artists are atlanta-based. unlike laface, however, daemon doesn't
court national or international sales. "this is a regional operation that is
not worried about selling thousands of records," ray says.

fortunately, daemon's artists embrace that philosophy and, for the most part,
are not distracted by the seven million records the indigo girls have sold
with sony. pam howe, leader of daemon's local trip-hop band ph balance, says,
"i feel like charts and sales figures are the killers of creation. to be a
balanced artist i am learning to function with them, but i definitely don't
long for them, and i feel relieved that daemon doesn't put any pressure on me
in that regard."

ray is not blind to the dichotomy. "most of the artists who come to us are
poor. they're having trouble paying their rent and some of them just want to
get a break for a year by signing with a label. but it's not a break to be on
daemon. my biggest stumbling block is that i'm on a major label and people
associate me with money and success. in the back of their minds they're aware
of my connections, and people assume that it's gonna be a free ride."

atlanta's divergent music industry is more than a free ride. it's about give
and take. along with the dozens of other labels -- including soso def and the
revived capricorn records -- that have emerged or continued to thrive in town
over the past 10 years, both daemon and laface have been successful not only
because of what they've taken from atlanta -- its artists and its flavor --
but because of what they've given back to the city as well. the labels have
provided an outlet for atlanta's artists to create music and/or acquire
wealth, and they've enhanced atlanta's reputation as a center for popular
music.

with an eye to the future, daemon and laface find themselves approaching a
common ground. as laface prepares to make a deeper foray into pop music with
debut releases by pink and joy enriquez, the label's first white and hispanic
acts, laface is creating a roster that's more culturally and musically
diverse. but reid would like to do even more.

"my real goal is to be a full multi-genre label, not to be an urban label
that only makes black records," he says. "that's the one negative thing about
being the black label in atlanta and being looked at sort of like this motown
of atlanta. i don't know that an artist like limp bizkit would come to
interview with me before they go to see somebody at atlantic records or
interscope records. and that's a bad thing to me because we really view
ourselves as having multi-genre potential. i'd like to forge relationships
with creative talent who want to make rock records, whether it's alternative
rock, pop rock, hip-hop rock or even folk rock, i don't care. i do not wanna
be in this little box."

>from the other end of the commercial spectrum, ray echoes reid's aspirations.
"the atlanta music scene is very segregated," she observes. "most people
don't branch out because of fear. i'm guilty of it too." but, like laface,
daemon is branching out with acts like ph balance and the brand new release
of justin hale, the label's first hip-hop (albeit all-white) act.

while the '90s have proven atlanta can nourish two labels of different hues
and maintain them on varying levels, it has yet to be proven that atlanta
musicians can speak the same language, sing with one voice, work together as
a cohesive community instead of as a plethora of fragmented scenes. but acts
like ph balance, justin hale, pink and joy enriquez may personify the merging
of factions in atlanta music by creating a neutral place where separate camps
can overlap and become one.

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 08:01:46 -0400
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>they screw you over big time...well you figure 75 bucks a ticket she is
>screwing her fans over big time!!!!!

actually, my friend krista went to her concert on saturday and said that
melissa etheridge performed for three hours.  (needless to say, there was no
opening act.)  i would pay $75 to hear the indigo girls perform for three
hours. :)

and also, four years between cds...i don't have all the ig cds yet (i'm
getting the ones i don't have for christmas), but wasn't there a gap between
shaming of the sun and cons?  i'm not criticizing them for this, you
understand, because mary chapin carpenter (who i love) is in the habit of
waiting three years or so between cds and so long as it's worth the wait, i
don't mind. :)  and now that i've listened to it a bunch of times, i think
cons was worth the wait.  and krista (who is informed about these things :)
) believes that the new me cd is her best cd in a long time.  i've heard
others say that, too. :)

kel

"this isn't the last time i will fall from grace."  the butchies; "salamander"

"every devil i meet becomes a friend of mine; every devil i meet is an angel
in disguise."  the indigo girls; "jonas and ezekial."

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 08:15:42 edt
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about fan clubs.  i don't know how present-day fan clubs operate anymore.  are the artists too busy?  are they in the hands of corporate people?  i really love this music group from the 70s.  i was too young to be a part of their fan club back then, but there are major repercussions felt even today from things the fan club did back then.  it was a great fan club and one reason may be because it was run by the family.  but they also had like a team of 2 or 3 people working just for them and all they did was run the fan club.  it wasn't under their management or their label.

they sent out newsletters about every quarter (now i have copies of all of them - and it's nice to read back on what was going on with them professionally and personally), they had special merchandise you could buy, photos, they gave out news on tv appearances, concerts, special events.  it was really personal and you got your money's worth.  today, to be able to obtain things they sold thru the fan club (and really cheap, i may add) is great.  it adds to your collection of memorabilia.  and it's even more special because it came from their fan club.

i was going to join the ig fan club about 2 or 3 years ago, and they sent me a form where i could order some things.  but then when i tried to get in touch with them again, i got nothing.   i was really disappointed because the ig fan club is the only one i have cared to be a part of and it's like the management could care less if there is a fan club or not.

talking about melissa and her fan club.  i joined a couple of years ago, but didn't renew.   they still sent me a tour schedule as well as not one, but two, postcards advertising her new album before it came out.  i mean, having the postcards is really cool.  now, wouldn't it be great if the ig sent out nice postcards like this as well.

part of me wonders if the ig are really that interested in pushing for a better fan club.  they know they already have a very steady and strong fan base.  maybe they feel they don't need it, but it would be nice for the fans.  however, i just don't think that's where their hearts are at.  i think they have so many other things that are more important to them, that they just let the whole fan club thing go with the way the management runs it.

but if you compare their fan club with this one i was talking about.......it's a big joke!

amanda

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 05:24:36 -0700
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hey guys i got this this morning might be old news but i thought
it was worth posting none the less....if only they would get the
apparral and colectables part up and going...

> dear indigo girls fans & supporters,
>
> we want to give you an update on the new indigo girls tour
> dates, which can be found at http://www.indigogirls.com and
let you know we are running a great contest where you can win an
autographed copy of the new cd "come on now social" with a
signed black and white photo. this is exclusive to our online
fans.  go to http://www.indigogirlsdirect.com and click on the
> banner!  good luck!


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ok, in defense of the girls, i have to say that if you are
persistant they will hear you...look at what nancy and i have
acheived, the girls are sponcering all of the water and
gatoraide for the bike trek.  it is not that they dont care
about their fans or that they are self absorbed, i think, but
instead, that they are focused more on getting out there to
"play for us" and fighting the causes that draw them nearer and
dearer to our hearts.  i know at first i was upset that i didnt
get any responce what so ever when i sent amy that afghan i
crocheted for her back in decmeber that i sent to the management
angency, but you know where ever it ended up i know that is
where it was ment to be.  oh well ramblin now nuff said...let us
all try not to judge but to send "nice" email suggesting change
to the agency...maybe someone will notice it before it hits the
recyling bins...
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i think most listees who have attempted to go anywhere with the fan club are upset with the management, not the ig themselves.  i know they don't focus on that end of it.  they leave it in the hands of other people.  which they should.  it just so happens, the people they leave it in the hands of don't do a good job of it.

i mean, look at sarah's fan club.  i've never been a part of it, but i've heard that she offers special audio things to fan club members.  just like that pearl jam song "last kiss" (does everyone hate that song?  :)  wasn't that first offered to their fan club members?  and melissa's website has that special section only for fan club members.

it's not the ig - it's whoever is supposed to run the club.

amanda

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        "it's not the ig - it's whoever is supposed to run the club."

        i think that's the jist of the problem.  there *is* nobody running
the club, because there is no club - it's a mailing list, nothing more.  i
too remember, like 6 or 7 years ago, we used to get newsletters, handwritten
from amy and emily, photocopied, and i remember thinking that was the
coolest thing.

        maybe there's no fan club because nobody's ever stepped up to the
plate.  maybe all that needs to be done here is somebody take
responsibility, come up with a valid proposal, and present it to the right
people, whether it's rcam or epic, or a&e themselves.

        certainly, with such a huge, viable and loyal fanbase, it could be
profitable without gauging the fans.  and by profitable, i mean, enough to
pay someone to run it fulltime, or even part-time.

        aerosmith has the coolest fanclub.  they even get backstage passes,
along with first shot at tickets, and lots of other cool stuff.  i agree
with whomever said they'd pay for it.  i'd give $20 per year to get special
considerations for preferable concert seating, chances at backstage passes
and insider info.  and man, if a&e actually started doing those handwritten
letters again, that would be the best, wouldn't it?

        -tara

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 08:59:36 -0500
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does anyone know where i can find chords to michelle's songs?  thanks.
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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 10:02:59 -0700
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havanamoon wrote:

> with no disrespect intended, i think the girls' time is pretty well occupied
> with touring, rehearsals, songwriting, interviews, etc.  and rc must have
> his hands full keeping track of the revenue....

i'm just responding as a little reminder, not as any type of opinion one way or
the other on this issue.  please realize that russell's office handles not just
the ig's.....he manages matthew sweet, fastball, and shawn mullins.  all these
artists have lots of things going on career wise so, needless to say, it's a
busy (and fairly small) office!  just a little perspective!
cheri

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<ccigfan@mindspring.com> writes:

>please realize that russell's office handles not just
> the ig's.....he manages matthew sweet, fastball, and shawn mullins.  all these
> artists have lots of things going on career wise so, needless to say, it's a
> busy (and fairly small) office!  just a little perspective!

i understand this entirely.  i think my perspective, personally, is......don't advertise that there is a fan club like in cd's and stuff if there really is no active fan club.  ya know?

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 10:08:36 -0400
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on thu, 28 oct 1999, karen, the biggest indigo girls bitch of japan wrote:

> after seeing hiroshima, i have reaffirmed my beliefs that dropping that
> bomb was wrong.

   any weapon of mass destruction is wrong.  however, after reading
everything i can about the subject, i'm convinced that truman made the
right decision, ugly though it was.

> first of all, the japanese would have surrendered in a few months time
> anyway.  an invasion would not have been necessary.

   that's untrue.  in fact, even after the nagasaki bomb, the nice
hard-liners who controlled the military wanted to keep on fighting.  it
was only after a personal appeal from the emperor that they stopped, and
then it was hara-kiri city among the upper ranks of the military.  (imho,
good riddance.  i have no moral issues with murderers killing themselves
over their failure to kill more people.)
   in our estimates, an invasion would have cost the lives of at
least 100,000 americans, and countless more japanese.  (our estimates had
a way of underestimating the number of japanese killed, too.  that whole
"no surrender" warrior thing.  *shudder*)  so, if from nothing else than a
numbers standpoint, the atomic bomb saved lives.
   also, i wonder if we would be on such good terms with japan after a
sustained bombing campaign and bloody land war.  imagine, american boys
ripped from their homes to fight people of a culture they completely don't
understand...what harm is visited upon them?  what harm do they visit on
the innocent populace?  sound familiar?

> i can not, nor will i ever, condone the bombings of hiroshima and
> nagasaki.  seeing , first hand, the suffering and misery they produced,
> i can not ever agree with truman's decision.

   of course, we were powerless to stop it, and in the end, perhaps its
outcome was for the better.  what if the world had not seen, and thus
known, the tremendous destructive capability of nuclear weapons during the
cold war?

   and now, we have the value of hindsight.  unfortunately, the democratic
party feels the need to use a nuke test ban treaty to have a "foreign
policy win," and even more dangerously, the republicans feel the need to
kill a nuke test ban treaty to spite the white house.

   darius

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 07:17:36 -0700
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ok, guys and gals lets take tara up on this. if someone wants to
do the proposal and stuff they could email me privately about a
way we could contact the agency....what do you say anyone up to
the challange? i am a bit busy at the moment and can't take on
another challenge, but i will help out if i can to get it intot
he right hands....soooooooo any brave souls out there?


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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 09:26:19 -0500
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> indigo girls releases have always been
> >  schizophrenic. amy ray and emily saliers don't
> >  write their songs together and their personalities and
> >  interests result in songs very distinctive from each
> >  other.
>
duh?

> this schism has never been more evident than
> >  on their ninth album, come on now social.
>

and on and on she goes.  who the *$%& is this woman??  i've never heard
such an inane review in my life.  i can't help but be personally
insulted by the things she says, since i happen to be a long-time fan
who is still deeply affected and touched by what they write and the
effort they put into it.  i think cons is absolutely brilliant (i can't
stop listening to "soon be to nothing"). i think they have both
continued to grow over the years as musicians, never resting on their
earlier successes.  granted, some us may have not always liked the
results of their experimenting, but that's part of growing and trying
new things.  it's part of being open to letting other influences show in
your music.  and this "schism" comment... jeez.  obviously i'm preaching
to the converted here, but i'll get it off my chest anyway... the whole
reason we love the sound is the way they bring their differences
together to create such awesome, literate, moving, inspiring music.  you
know, i'll never understand why reviewers waste their time reviewing
artists they don't like.  it's very evident she's never been a fan, and
therefore will never have anything nice to say.  how can you really give
an intelligent review of something you clearly have no clue about?  let
me just wrap up my disgust at this poor ignorant women this way....
ahhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!  okay, i feel better now. : )

peace y'all
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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 10:36:50 edt
reply-to:     lance longwell <longwell_ls@hotmail.com>
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hkf,

a few weeks back we discussed the treatment of the indigo girls on the rosie
o'donnell show.  it was great that she gave ig a chance to play a song, but
she didn't give them to promote the album.  disappointing.

should anyone want to write an e-mail to rosie and express whatever concerns
you want.  point your browser to:
http://www.rosieodonnell-show.com/
then click on "contact rosie".

i'm only passing along the info for those who wish to express their
comments.  bring on the flames....i wear fireproof underwear.

cheers,
l'sly


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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 09:17:09 mdt
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got this from the bi-girls list that i'm on.  what a great state : )


joanne

<<
birth certificate to list two moms
(boulder) -- boulder district court judge roxanne bailin has
ruled that the lesbian companion of a   woman made pregnant
by an anonymous sperm donor can also be listed as a mother
on the soon-to-be-born child's official birth certificate.
the biological mother, who is identified only as anne-g,
says she will share parenting duties with her long-time
lesbian companion jane-k. judge bailin  ruled that the law
allows people with no biological connection to assume
parental rights in certain circumstances. >>

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that may be as close to the real thing
as i'm ever gonna get"  ani defranco


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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 11:27:19 -0400
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i just had to say wow that was awesome.  being a lesbian who eventually
wants a wife and a couple of kids, that gives me some encouragement.

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 11:37:58 -0400
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  i agree, that the fan club needs a little help.  i think if i lived in
the atlanta area i would even volunteer my time to the fan club.  i
joined the fan club a long time ago and have yet to recieve a blasted
thing.  a tleast when i joined ani difranco's club, within a week i was
recieving tour lists, catalogs, and other stuff.  maybe it has something
to do with her indie label.  knd of like going back to the basics.  i
personally think rc is a jek, i didn't like his attitude the time i met
him.  but obviously he does something right  because the girls have
stuck with him...

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 08:40:55 -0700
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>>they can't give their shows that bring  the
money in, ( they get paid $30,000 a night not to mention what we give
epic records,) without us .<<

i don't know... at the same time, they don't have to tour.  they don't
have to come to our cities crammed into a bus for months at a time
without days off, without their girlfriends and families, without the
comforts of home.  i sometimes think that this touring thing is taken
for granted by many fans.  i appreciate their willingness to bring
their music to me.  i don't think they make as much money off their
tours as we may think.  the venue gets a cut of the tickets cost, as
does the record label, and all the tour expenses are paid as well.  so
by the time the girls see any of the tour money, it's got to be a lot
less than what we think.

in any event, i am appreciative of their efforts and i know that
touring is not about the money for them.

incidentally, although this new site doesn't reflect it, they did
contribute to the sots website.  they published journal entries about
their experiences all over the world for example.  i'm not sure how
much time they have to be personally contributing much more.  they're
busy people with lives.

just my $.02... ;)

jean

--- barbara bordner <barbinmn@webtv.net> wrote:
> i  fell my qoute has been taken out of context.
> so to restate it, i'm saying that sure we pay for
> the concerts, and yeah they're damned good ones.....but, for one
> thing,
> i feel sometimes like they take us for granted.  (oh yeah they
> complement us when' we'r good to them,and that's nice to hear. )  we
> always go to their shows.  they can't give their shows that bring
> the
> money in, ( they get paid $30,000 a night not to mention what we give
> epic records,) without us .
>
> they do have a website, but they don't contribute  to it. and they
> used
> to  do newsletters for free.....not anymore, and besides that i love
> to
> read, and anything they write in  a newsletter is a plus , that
> $25-30
> and over for a show is substantial enough for
> them to have one.i'm not calling the girls materialististic, i'm jst
> sayig that they're going to call rcam a fan club, they should make it
> like one.  that's all.
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i sgree i don't like this not ending with ctf.  that was always a
trademark.  i think that's why when i saw the girls back in august and
they played ctf in the encore everyone thought it was over.  the irst 7
rows or so bum rushed the stage.  here i come to find out they were
gonna play 2 more songs, but we never got to hear them, how sad...

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>>sorry
about the sarcasm but i think the melissa etheridge fan club is the
biggest
joke of all times!!!!!   they screw you over big time...well you figure
75
bucks a ticket she is screwing her fans over big time!!!!!<<

fyi, the tickets in san francisco are all $75 a ticket, not just the
ones that the mein fan club offers to its members.  and, speaking as a
member, i think $20 a year is pretty good for a regular newsletter and
guaranteed good seats at every show.

jean

--- mgsb@aol.com wrote:
> tigger's back <chakramgrrrl@aol.com> wrote:
> <<<<<i'm sorry, but all sarcasm aside, i wish they'd just charge dues
> and
> send out something on a regular basis!  i pay out the nose for my
> melissa
> etheridge fan club membership, but damnit, i get something back for
> it!  at
> least i feel like they care enough to keep us updated, and if i have
> to pay
> for it, well, my dues cover the cost of postage plus the cost of
> printing up
> what i must say is a very high-quality newsletter.  get it together,
> rcam!>>>>>
>
> you have got to be kidding me!!!!   pay dues...no way.i would much
> rather get
> a newsletter once in a blue moon then have to deal with a commercial
> form of
> advertising like that of the mein fan club!!!!!   please don't even
> compare
> melissa etheridge to indigo girls.
>
> so what should we suggest next!!!!  that we will pay dues to an ig
> fan club
> and tell them to take a break for hmm 4 years and come back and that
> we would
> pay 75 bucks a ticket to see them!!!!!  hmm sounds
> fimiliar!!!!!.....sorry
> about the sarcasm but i think the melissa etheridge fan club is the
> biggest
> joke of all times!!!!!   they screw you over big time...well you
> figure 75
> bucks a ticket she is screwing her fans over big time!!!!!
>
> again sorry about the sarcasm!!!
> sandy
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hey guys i am ordering michelle's new cd (home grown) and i need to pick two
more. can anybody email me and let me know which ones to pick?

thanks,
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i agree with tis no brats issue.  when i went to see the girls in early
98 at a ski resort it was a general admission concert.  i got there hous
before the concert and waited patiently with my blankets.  got in and
set up my blanket and was excited.  being able to sit and relax, under
the stars and listen to the girls from about 25 feet back.  not bad...
well this whole bg crowd of teeny boppers came in and stood right in
front of all those who had waited so patiently.  stepped all over our
blankets and feet.  well it was ruined, still enjoed the girls, but it
is nice to be around mature people.

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 09:51:16 -0600
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i'd be thrilled to pay $20 a year for even one newsletter from an ig fan
club, the ability to purchase merchandise, the abilitu to get good seats at
concerts, and a chance to participate in "chats".  melissa does that.  she
holds e-chats with fans.  the fan club/website saves the text.  you can go
into her site and read them.  i think it's a pretty good deal all around.
which one of us on this list isn't always seeking information about songs,
concerts, merchandise, meaning of life, etc.?

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on thu, 28 oct 1999, marie demiguel wrote:

> hey guys i am ordering michelle's new cd (home grown) and i need to pick two
> more. can anybody email me and let me know which ones to pick?

   if i were you, i'd get devil moon and new experience.  but that's just
me...

   darius

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do not delete this.  i will not be resending it, if you miss it, you'll have
to get it from someone else.  do not forward to the news list - i have my
limits, and i'll make the offer to them at a future time.

okay.  here's the deal.  i'm trying to fill out the montreal '94 set that
i've been working on, but there's so many snags, that i'm going to push it
back and offer these first, as i promised.  now - the recordings i have are
pirate copies, that i got before i knew how bad it was and stuff.  to make
up for my transgression, i'm going to offer them to you.  because i don't
have access to the original digitized artwork, and i don't have a color
copier, and frankly, it's not *all that* anyhow, i'll be redo-ing the art on
all three discs, i'll be sure it's good though. i've learned a lot from
doing the 9:30 club and shades offers (on which, i'm happy to report, i've
burned *exactly* 200 discs so far, and counting), and i'm going to be very
specific here to avoid a lot of problems...

first things first.  i'm going to do this as a 3-disc set, and only a 3-disc
set.  i anticipate a lot of requests on this, so please, don't ask me to do
one now, and one later, etc.  just save your pennies, and when you have all
the appropriate materials, send it to me, this is an open-ended offer, there
will be no deadline.  i'm going to do things a little differently this time,
as this can and does take over my life, i'm reserving that right to be
specific, so read carefully.

you buy 3 discs (cdrs, not cdrws).  put them in a self addressed stamped
bubble mailer, with $3 for art and the signed contract (below).  put that
bubble mailer in a big regular envelope. seal it, address it, stamp it and
mail it to me.

        please: do not send me boxes.  boxes don't fit in my po box and i
have to go to the counter to pick them up, which takes a lot of time waiting
in line.  do not send me fiber mailers.  fiber mailers break on the edges of
the jewel cases and get all over the cds and make a mess i have to clean up
before i can put it in my cd writer.  do not send me postage and labels to
reuse your outer envelope.  rest assured all outer envelopes are being
recycled, i just can't spare the extra time to do all this and check postage
and what-not.  do not use two bubble mailers - i mean, you can if you really
want to, but why would you?  save your money shipping on the front end, you
don't need to put a bubble mailer inside another bubble mailer, just use a
regular business envelope for your outer envelope. please remove shrinkwrap
from your blank discs.

        cdr recommendations:  kodak and imation discs are usually gold with
black logos that show through on light parts of cd artwork, so you may want
to make another choice.  i have had trouble with some memorex discs in some
players.  tdks are reliable, but expensive and some have dark logos on some
discs.  some maxell's have freaky colors that show through the middle of the
art and look funny - avoid these colored discs.  top choices for price,
reliability and non-intrusive labelling are: maxell gold, fuji, verbatim,
and sony.

        another option:  just send the discs, with no jewel cases.  what you
would do here is carefully place clean, non fibrous poster board or other
stiff paper between the discs (sometimes, just the little cdr cover that
comes in the jewel case is fine to use, and secure them in some way (wrap
paper around them and tape it) and mail that to me - that way your jewel
cases don't get broken, and i don't have to put the art in the jewel case, i
can just stick it in your return mailer, which is way easier for me anyhow.
this is truly the best overall method in my opinion, and it even saves you
some postage.  just make sure you secure the discs between something stiff,
like cardboard, so they don't get broken.

here's the contract:

i hereby promise not to copy, duplicate, distribute, or sell digital copies
nor will i make any digital bootleg offers of these indigo girls "early
recordings volume i, ii, and iii" bootleg cds.  i will keep these cds in my
possession and will not give them away.  i will refer all inquiries for
digital copies to the person who supplied my discs, in this case, to tara
lane at tara8595@yahoo.com.  i solemnly swear i will never attempt to profit
from owning these cds.

signed_________________________________________

print name______________________________________

email address____________________________________

date____________________________________________

print this out and fill it out, including it in your mailing.  if you don't
have a printer, you may handwrite it out.  requests sent without this signed
form will be returned to sender, no exceptions. note that i really don't
want you giving these out as christmas presents.  if you'd like to make this
a gift, print out this email, give it to the person in a wrapped box, have
them fill out the form, and you take care of the details for them.  i don't
care how you handle it as long as the owner of the discs has filled out this
form.

note that i say you can't make digital copies.  there has been some
confusion in the past about adding this to people's trade lists, and if you
want to make analog, cassette copies of these to trade, that's fine by me as
long as you don't profit.

go to the lifeblood website for the track listing if you don't have it.

i expect there to be a huge demand for this, so i'm going to tell you when
to mail your materials to me.  what i want ya'll to do is reply to this
email, and just type your name in the body of the email, leaving the subject
line the same.  in the order that your request is received, i'm going to
group you, and when i'm ready for your group to mail your materials, i'll
let you know.  i had some days with 9:30 club where i'd get like 25 requests
on a single day, and that's difficult for me to handle.  so help me out
here, and go buy all your materials and get everything ready, and then wait
for my go ahead before you mail me anything.

i think that's everything.  i'm sorry to be so long-winded and detailed.  i
anticipate that some of these requests may take up to 2 months, others just
a couple of days, it all depends on luck of the draw.  just know that you
*will* get your discs at least within 8 weeks, please be patient.  i love
you guys, and i know you'll be really pleased to hear and own these - it's
like owning a little sliver of ig history.  there's some very special
moments on these discs, and it makes me exceedingly happy to share them with
you.

take care, and happy halloween,
tara

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 09:04:39 -0700
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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from:         "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
subject:      re: rcam and the "fan club"
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on thu, 28 oct 1999, jean moses wrote:

>
> fyi, the tickets in san francisco are all $75 a ticket, not just the
> ones that the mein fan club offers to its members.  and, speaking as a
> member, i think $20 a year is pretty good for a regular newsletter and
> guaranteed good seats at every show.

actually, i've seen lots of grumbling from mein members over the years
abotu the so-called preferred seating.  some people have not had
"good seats" based on this system.  it seems pretty random.

frankly, i am glad that ig dont have a paid membership fan club.
melissa's approach is that it is something for "true fans".  this
makes an economic distinction..that only true fans will pony up
the money, and the assumption that all true fans *have* the money.
i'd be willing to bet that there are many ig fans who are very
loyal and dedicated who wouldnt be able to afford to be in a paid
club.  and i doubt that ig would stomach that sort of separation.
i've never joined the mein club because it just doesnt feel right
*to me*.  yet i've been listening to melissa since 1990 and have
spent plenty on cd;s, shirts, etc (though at $75 per ticket, i'll
be skipping this tour).  am i less of a true fan because i just
dont feel like giving just that much more money for the network?
even on the melissa list, its benefits are described as not being
very many. melissa herself has confessed that mein isnt perfect,
but "that's how it is" seems to be her attitude.  that doesnt come
across, to me, as being very intersted in really serviing all
of her "true fans".

in my own opinion, ig have gotten much bigger now then when
they first did send out their newsletters.  and the web didnt
exist then.  but their answer to giving back to true fans
include things like $10 tours. you wont see melissa doing that
anytime soon.  i agree that it would be better for rcam to be
a bit more communicative, even with just postcards for new
releases etc. but i would really be sad if ig resorted to a
mein type of arrangement. it would really make an economic
distinction which i doubt they would want to do.

just mho, of course.

                          _________
amy p.                    \       /     who holds your hand
pegasus@crl.com            \     /      when you're alone
monk@world.std.com          \   /
the original photo monk      \ /                --patty larkin
                http://www.crl.com/~pegasus

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 12:12:21 -0400
reply-to:     bean@neu.edu
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from:         elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
organization: northeastern university, faculty senate office, 442 ry,
              360 huntington ave., boston, ma  02115
subject:      re: please no brats (ig content)
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carrie knepp wrote:
>
> well this whole bg crowd of teeny boppers came in and stood right in
> front of all those who had waited so patiently.  stepped all over our
> blankets and feet.  well it was ruined, still enjoed the girls, but it
> is nice to be around mature people.

sounds like you're describing an ani difranco concert!  some of those
fans with whom i've had the "pleasure" of being in close contact at the
same concert are among the most rude, inappropriately loud, and
obnoxious people i've ever seen.  never again will i buy lawn seats for
an ani show, or go to a gen adm show - unless it's a concert like the
newport folk fest - that year with dar and ig and ani was so worth
putting up with ani's obnox. fans (they probably thought us ig fans were
loud and obnox, but who cares what others think?)  i'll spring for the
good seats so i won't have to deal with being trampled by those
followers of ani's that are crazed, maniacal, and rude.

elaine

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 09:13:37 -0700
reply-to:     jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com>
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ok, i might get flamed for this one, but i'll put my thoughts out there
anyway. ;)

i have been a fan of ig since "closer to fine" was first released.  it
was, in fact, the song that made me buy the album, and made me become a
fan.  however, i do not feel that they must play it at every concert
asn an encore, or frankly, at all.

that album pidgeon-holed them into the "folk" category and as they grow
as musicians i really believe they are fighting hard to break out of
that niche.  their music is much more broad-ranging now and their
talents span far more than just "folk".  cons is a perfect example of
this.

why should any musician be forced to play a song that stereotypes them,
or that they are just plain sick of playing?  of course i still like
that song, but i also like most of their other stuff too.  frankly, i'd
like to hear some suprises as an encore rather than waiting all night
knowing it will be ctf.  there are doezens of songs that i may never
hear live... why not play one of those?

ok, flame if you must... i need a good tan. ;)

jean


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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 12:26:45 -0400
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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sorry ya'll.  it didn't even occur to me that some of ya'll would have no
idea what i'm talking about.

go here and check 'em out: http://www.lifeblood.net/unauthor/cds.html

1996: the ep and more: early recordings - volume 1
199?: levees that break in my heart: early recordings - volume 2
199?: the devil's in our bones: early recordings - volume 3

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 12:27:15 edt
reply-to:     lance longwell <longwell_ls@hotmail.com>
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this is great news!!!  judge bailin is the best!  back when i used to live
in boulder and my ... case came up to trial, she was the judge.  very cool.
it almost made my sentence bearable.  <and i'm not kidding on this one
folks....>  :)

actually, about 2 years ago, they tried to do the same thing for two gay
male parents in boulder and it was shot down.

boulder's a great place...now if only we could do something about colorado
springs.

cheers,
l'sly


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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 12:34:57 -0400
reply-to:     h <hhusted@bu.edu>
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from:         h <hhusted@bu.edu>
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for a good fansite which hasn't been updated recently:
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/village/1777/

for chords:
http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/village/1777/chords.html

best studio albums besides homegrown (my opinion, not gospel:)
beneath the devil moon
redemption dream

(nothing she's done in-studio matches her work in concert, so buy the
albums, then get some bootlegs and see her live as often as possible.)

for michelle malone info and chatter, there's a mailing list at
http://www.smoe.org, called devil-moon, which has been very quiet lately
and could use some new fans.  :)

luv
h
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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 12:43:42 edt
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hi all!

are there any ig fans from new york city that need
a roommate?  i am nearly desperate!  i need to find
an apartment in or near the city, but rents are soooo
expensive!!!!!  help!!!!!!

take care all!

andy

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 16:50:09 gmt
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hey all--

just to let you know, cons is one of wxrt (in chicago) 's "featured new
releases" today--so far, i've heard them play "trouble".  whee.

shel

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 09:51:34 -0700
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from:         ryan blackhawke <hawke2@email.msn.com>
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if you overlook the fact that they rarely send promised newsletters and the
seats they "guarantee" often are worse than what you could do at
ticketbastard, and if you join the higher-level memberships on the economic
tier you have to chase down the free t-shirt or jacket they are supposed to
send you, mein is just fine.

face it folks, mle is in it for the money. big difference from our girls who
are in it for the music...

ryan

> -----original message-----

> fyi, the tickets in san francisco are all $75 a ticket, not just the
> ones that the mein fan club offers to its members.  and, speaking as a
> member, i think $20 a year is pretty good for a regular newsletter and
> guaranteed good seats at every show.
>
> jean
>
> --- mgsb@aol.com wrote:
> > tigger's back <chakramgrrrl@aol.com> wrote:
> > <<<<<i'm sorry, but all sarcasm aside, i wish they'd just charge dues
> > and
> > send out something on a regular basis!  i pay out the nose for my
> > melissa
> > etheridge fan club membership, but damnit, i get something back for
> > it!  at
> > least i feel like they care enough to keep us updated, and if i have
> > to pay
> > for it, well, my dues cover the cost of postage plus the cost of
> > printing up
> > what i must say is a very high-quality newsletter.  get it together,
> > rcam!>>>>>
> >
> > you have got to be kidding me!!!!   pay dues...no way.i would much
date: sun, 21 nov 1999 20:05:04 +0000
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> > rather get
> > a newsletter once in a blue moon then have to deal with a commercial
> > form of
> > advertising like that of the mein fan club!!!!!   please don't even
> > compare
> > melissa etheridge to indigo girls.
> >
> > so what should we suggest next!!!!  that we will pay dues to an ig
> > fan club
> > and tell them to take a break for hmm 4 years and come back and that
> > we would
> > pay 75 bucks a ticket to see them!!!!!  hmm sounds
> > fimiliar!!!!!.....sorry
> > about the sarcasm but i think the melissa etheridge fan club is the
> > biggest
> > joke of all times!!!!!   they screw you over big time...well you
> > figure 75
> > bucks a ticket she is screwing her fans over big time!!!!!
> >
> > again sorry about the sarcasm!!!
> > sandy
> >
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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 13:07:03 -0400
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> of course i still like
>that song, but i also like most of their other stuff too.  frankly, i'd
>like to hear some suprises as an encore rather than waiting all night
>knowing it will be ctf.  there are doezens of songs that i may never
>hear live... why not play one of those?

i wouldn't flame you over this one! i agree with you. i also became an ig
fan as soon as i heard ctf, and i do think it is a great song, but i feel
totally saturated by it. my senses are dulled on ctf.

see - i too am trapped in the ctf irony - ctf was the reason i learned to
play guitar, but now i end up getting the ctf request whenever i play for
groups, and frankly, even with my scattered public performances, i'm a
little sick of it! it has become very rote - just crank it out like an
organ grinder. i cannot imagine playing it 200 nights a year for 10 yrs.

the only upside i can see to the whole thing for ig is seeing the happiness
of thousands during the ctf sing-along. that would be fun. i like the idea
of switching it into the middle of the show for that reason. it brings
everyone together in the middle of the show and sets a nice "one big happy
singin' family" tone to the thing. that's good.

-s.

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 14:53:14 +0100
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hey all,

i've only just received my tape of the recent appearance by the girls on the
view.  (i'd like to publicly thank my auntie dobbie in vancouver for taping
it for me).  :-)  anyhoo, i observed a cute moment, that i don't think
anybody's mentioned yet.  just about before em sings "two black dogs and a
white one..." amy appears to either have dropped her pick inside the guitar
(something i've done many times), or simply drops it, although i couldn't
see anything fall to the ground.  she quickly grabs another pick from her
mic stand and then when emily looks and smiles at her, she makes the cutest
little face, as if saying "oops".  check it out, it's very sweet.

claudine

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 10:14:32 -0700
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hey folks!!

last night's show was a blast!!  my girlfriend and i were up on the 7th
row amy-side and had a great veiw of everyone but the accordian player.
so here's the setlist:

opener:  the butchies-- they're great!! they're gonna be at gaby & mo's
here in austin saturday afternoon from 2-7, and if everyone in this
area has nothing else planned, i would definitely stop by.  they were
great!!


1. go
2. peace tonight
3. chickenman
4. trouble
5. gone again-- amy said that this was all "a letter explaining
something to somebody"
6. least complicated
7. shed your skin
8. soon to be nothing
9. land of canaan-- they changed the set list just for us because they
got the vibe that we needed to hear some old stuff-- accotding to amy
they work and slave over the setlists during dinner the night before
and she's a "pain in the ass over setlists."
10. they had lourdes perez come up and sing with them.  it was
absolutely beautiful, but i don't know the name of the song.
11. faye tucker-- amy started talking about george bush jr. and it was
funny as hell.  she said he's a "thorn in our side" and the only thing
he has going for him is that he's cute.  "i'll give him that," to which
emily replied, "even on a desert island i wouldn't go there."  and then
they dedicated it to him.
12. closer to fine-- big 'ol singalong
13. sister-- amy said that half was written in georgia and half going
home from austin.  the "bloody beast of burden" is a big dead cow that
she saw on the side of the road that someone had hit by a car and it
really affected her (hello-- cats on fire... poor animals).  she also
said that she got to a campsite late at night and the people that had
been there had left the fire going "just for me!" and since it was 3am
already, she didn't think they'd be back, which turned out to be the
case.  amy said, "i totally scored!"  it was really cute.
14. power of two-- great!! it was a little faster i think, and em
laughed in the middle, either because she forgot the lyrics, or
somebody caught her attention.
15. compromise-- wow.  just wow.
16. get out the map
17. shame on you


encores:

ghost-- i have never heard anything so beautiful in my life.
apparently the hotel lady requested it, and em said she was really nice
and hoped she was there to hear it.
johnny rottn-- go amy!!
galileo-- big 'ol singalong

before galileo amy invited all of us in the crowd to go to the dallas
show too cuz they luv us so much :)  overall, i say 3 thumbs up.

have a fabulous day, and go listen to the girls.
amy

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 13:16:52 -0400
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i'm such a lame-o.  didn't realize the cover art for early recordings is on
the lifeblood site, so i can grab it from there.  but i am lacking the rear
covers.  does anyone have original, non-photo copied, very clear cover art
for the early recordings that they could scan and send me of these?  i would
thank you... the list would thank you.  let me know, thanks.

-tara

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....and of course, www.michellemalone.com
cheri

h wrote:

> for a good fansite which hasn't been updated recently:
> http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/village/1777/
>
> for chords:
> http://www.geocities.com/westhollywood/village/1777/chords.html
>
> best studio albums besides homegrown (my opinion, not gospel:)
> beneath the devil moon
> redemption dream
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hey,

was anybody at the second austin concert?  can you give us a review and set
list?  i would like to compare to what we heard on tuesday night.
unfortunately, i wasn't writing the songs down for tues, or i would post that
list.  here are the songs i remember in no particular order:

go
reunion
kid fears
ozilline
you and me of the 10,000 wars
peace tonight
ctf
galileo
least complicated
trouble
power of two
gone again
scooter boys
compromise
faye tucker (reason enough to see them live!)
cold beer and remote control

encore:
don't fear the reaper
get out the map
shame on you

am i forgetting something?  anybody out there with the actual list?

in the middle of the show, lourdes perez come out and did a beautiful song
with them, sans the rest of the band. my friend described her a latino edith
piaf because of the amazing emotion in her music.  it was a lovely interlude.

the opener was three finger cowboy.  sheesh, they were loud!!! thank goodness
one of my friends is a smoker (never thought i'd say that!).  i borrowed a
cig and put the filters in my ears!  all their songs sounded alike, except
for the one with dexter street in the title, which i think i might have liked
at a much lower decibel level.  oh well....they were very personable and so
happy to be there and the crowd was quite nice to them.  the volume got
cranked up again when they came out to do don't fear the reaper with the
girls and out came my ciggie filters! :-)

all in all, the concert was fine, but felt a bit canned.  strictly on the set
list, very little chatter, not much variation from the studio versions of the
songs.  for the two friends who were with me this was a first ig concert, so
they were ecstatic, but as ig concerts go, i thought it was pretty average.
the most remarkable thing is how amy continues to look genuinely surprised
and delighted by the fan response - the singing and dancing.  you'd think
she'd be used to it after 10 years, but it appears that she still delights in
the response and really appreciates it!

and faye tucker live is a wonder.  i think i would go just to hear them do
that one song!!!!

so how did the wednesday night show compare?  anybody?  i'm seeing them in
dallas tonight, so we'll see.

peace,

pam in big d

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wow, it appears that i really hit a nerve. i guess that's okay. just for
clarification, i didn't intend to start a giant e-mail volley blasting the
girls, but i was merely pointing out that when i joined the fan club about
4 years ago (when they certainly weren't unknowns), i received newsletters
very occasionally, but enough to keep me excited and now, it's been ages.
i could probably go back and figure out just how long, but i won't. the
original post was in no way intended to bitch at a&e. i've always thought
the fan club to be someone's responsibility other than the artist's,
whether that be rc, some assistant, or some other lowly peon.

yes, i appreciate everything that a&e do, with touring so much, etc.,
etc., etc. just to share their art with us. in no way do i advocate
bitching at them for their fan club's absence.

and no, as many others have voiced, i probably wouldn't pay $20 for
membership just if it guaranteed me a newsletter a month (or whatever) and
marginal at best seats. as often as ig (or mle for that matter)  come to
my town (or anywhere close), what good would that do? and i don't think
they should be in it for that money anyway, and it's comforting to know
they're not. however, if they are going to have a fan club, shouldn't that
fan club have a function of some sort, whether it be sending periodic
newsletters with updates (and yes, order forms for merchandise as well) or
whatever. people who sign up to be in a fan club expect *something*. i
would be interested to hear from anyone who has signed up recently to see
if they've gotten anything at all.

i will give this to rcam, when i ordered a hundred and some odd
dollars worth of stuff from them one time, they were more than happy to
include a hand-written note (not from rc himself, but from some gal named
ginger something) profusely thanking me for my order. so, if you spend
enough money on them, they will pay attention to you. (she said, dripping
with sarcasm. eww, how messy.)

i guess that's all. i just felt the need to clarify. my initial post was
intended to be completely harmless, not intended to make the girls out to
be money-grubbing scrooges. just go back and read the post about em and
halloween and you know that's not true. that's gotta be the cutest thing
i've seen in awhile.

ok, back to your regularly scheduled program,

amy m. (imagining em as a drag queen)

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actually, i've found rcam to be responsive in one respect...  for both the map
tour (getting ready for sots), and the cons tour, i've written rcam requesting
that the girls play concerts in places that hadn't been on their itinerary
before...  and both times, they were booked to play somewhere approximating my
request.  the first time was to ask that they play the las cruces nm/el paso tx
area...  this tour was to request that they play boise id or tri-cities wa...
(i moved in the meantime).

they may not be good at answering mail, but they do listen...

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(imagining em as a drag queen)

but we did get to see her as a drag queen jesus christ super
star anyone????


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kelly wrote:

> and also, four years between cds...i don't have all the ig cds yet (i'm
> getting the ones i don't have for christmas), but wasn't there a gap between
> shaming of the sun and cons?

there was a "gap" but they toured for most of that gap, and then spent a good
portion of a year recording in various places with various people and
participating in political events while gearing up for the lilith fair and this
tour.  they did not drop off of the face of the planet (except to make
infrequent publicity appearances) like one mle did for her four years off.  not
that i'm complaining about her time off, and in fact, i personally wish ani
would take time off every once in a while so maybe she can live a little and
write something new.

anna
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that's cool.  i'm just saying (and pretty badly) that when you write your
own songs as me, ig, and mcc do, gaps between cds are to be expected.  and
since cds are so expensive, i'd rather wait three years for a cd that is
really worth getting than a cd that somebody rushed out just so they could
say that they put out cds every year.  :)


kel

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>>they did not drop off of the face of the planet (except to make
infrequent publicity appearances) like one mle did for her four years
off.<<

she did drop off the face of the planet, very deliberately as i
understand it... she took time off for 2 kids ;)  seems to me worth
taking time off for.  i also think she had some record label/producer
problems that delayed the actual recording of the album and also the
release.

you're right, sometimes time off is a good thing, just creatively
speaking, to sort of rejuvinate and refresh one's repertoire of
experiences to write about.  plus, touring has got to be a major drain,
and i cn see how you might burn out on it for a while.  from what i
understand, melissa is pretty charged up to be touring again.  always a
good thing!

i've often wondered how ig do it... touring, then travelling to support
other causes, the lilith fair etc.  they keep so busy!

jean

--- anna creech <creechal@jmu.edu> wrote:
> kelly wrote:
>
> > and also, four years between cds...i don't have all the ig cds yet
> (i'm
> > getting the ones i don't have for christmas), but wasn't there a
> gap between
> > shaming of the sun and cons?
>
> there was a "gap" but they toured for most of that gap, and then
> spent a good
> portion of a year recording in various places with various people and
> participating in political events while gearing up for the lilith
> fair and this
> tour.  they did not drop off of the face of the planet (except to
> make
> infrequent publicity appearances) like one mle did for her four years
> off.  not
> that i'm complaining about her time off, and in fact, i personally
> wish ani
> would take time off every once in a while so maybe she can live a
> little and
> write something new.
>
> anna
> --
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> i sold my soul to indie folk and all i got was this stupid email...
> -jill certo
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in a message dated 10/28/99 12:43:57 pm central daylight time,
indigrrl@selway.umt.edu writes:

<< amy m. (imagining em as a drag queen) >>

take a look at em playing mary magdalene in the concert version of jesus
christ, superstar!  probably as close as we will come to seeing her in "drag!"

pam

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random thoughts.....

as for closer to fine or galileo..i expect them to play both everytime i see
them since they're both so well-known..but i've seen each one 11 times. i'd
be happy if they sang closer to fine for three hours straight cause i'm at
their show and they can do whatever they want. at the same time though, i'd
rather hear a whole lot of other songs that don't get as much attention, like
reunion or fugitive.

as for the fan club...i used to resent the fact that the ig only had a
mailing list but now i think it works much better than melissa's does...for 5
of the 6 melissa shows i've gone to i've had fan club seats - which are
generally random anyway - the best seats i had were 6th row - the worst was
20th.  melissa's seats used to work much better than they do now...they used
to be a hell of a lot cheaper (for about $100 - 120 for a pair of good seats)
this tour, at least in sacramento - the tickets are $75 a piece (fan club and
bass tickets) so chances are i'm not going at all..now too, the seating from
the fan club is supposed to be on a seniority thing..that is, the longer
you've been a member the better seats you'll have...good or bad, i don't
know...melissa seems very very commercial now and ig don't...so maybe mailing
lists (or lack thereof..i can't remember the last ig thing i got) are just
better overall..just my opinion.  i will say though that i can't wait for the
hte tour. in 95, you were able to buy good seats and backstage passes and the
money went to a good cause. :) i liked that :)

for teenyboppers....there are always obnoxious fans, anywhere you go. my
sister and i ran into nasty ig fans at the newport folk in 98..unfortunately
there will always always be people who go to the shows to drink, get high,
hang out or do just about anything else other than watch the show. when i
spend $50 or so on a concert ticket, often drive long distances to go to a
show (i've driven to denver to see ig at lilith, and to idaho to see tori) i
am there for the show..there are plenty of other times to get drunk and
hang...it can happen anywhere and usually does. unfortunately i've come to
expect it. you have to put up with rude and obnoxious people in order to go
to a concert. it sucks but it's better than not going. you have to try to
block out others so that you can enjoy yourself...

for michelle malone - devil moon is my fave...

ok enough ranting for one day...lisa
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>so by the time the girls see any of the tour money,
>it's got to be a lot
>less than what we think.

i totally agree.  i don't think they're as well off as
we think...unless they investing what they do make in
a fidelity mutual fund or something.  especially amy,
pouring money into an enterprise (daemon) that
probably loses money.  i mean, when you play someplace
like the ryman auditorium that seats 2,000 people and
the most expensive ticket is around $35...that doesn't
add up to a lot of money.  and of course, the $10 tour
way back...you know they're doing it for the love of
playing and not for the money.

$30,000 is not much money for a show...even for
someone who is nowhere near ig's calibre.  in college,
i sat in on a sga events committee meeting and they
were talking about booking reba mcentire for a show
and that her price was $100,000...and this was in
1987!!!!!  i don't know what the going price is for
artists these days, and i know it depends on the
genre, but i'd say $80,000 to $100,000 is what big
acts are getting.  and of course, everyone else gets
their cut before the artists see it.  could someone
who knows what the going rates are for various levels
of artists please enlighten us?  i'd be very
interested to know.

as for fan clubs, here in nashville, most country
artists have fan clubs and most of the clubs charge a
fee.  part of this fee includes choice tickets,
sometimes a backstage pass to the show of your choice,
newsletter, photos, merchandise offers, and an annual
fan club picnic with the artist during fan fare.  i'm
not much of a country fan, and i don't care for the
way the country music industry operates, but i do
think it's nice what a lot of the artists do for their
fans.  and i think you get all this for around $20.

i am wondering if the fact that indigogirlsdirect.com
has been established means we no longer order
merchandise through rcam?  since i haven't received a
newsletter (with a mdse. order form) in almost 2
years...i'm guessing we're going to have to start
ordering it online, which is fine with me.  but, a
periodic newsletter would be nice.  didn't we have a
discussion a year or so ago about a fan volunteering
to gather the info and publish a newsletter for rcam?
in my mind, there is no fan club anymore, really.  we
get our info from each other, from the epic site
(albeit belatedly) and from whatever sources we can.
thoughts?  comments?  talk amongst yourselves...

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>we used to get
> newsletters, handwritten
> from amy and emily, photocopied, and i remember
> thinking that was the
> coolest thing....maybe all that needs to be done
> here is
> somebody take
> responsibility, come up with a valid proposal, and
> present it to the right
> people, whether it's rcam or epic, or a&e
> themselves.

great idea, tara!!!!!!!!!!   i loved the handwritten
letters too.  i hope this idea comes to fruition!

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but guys i think we are missing the point here...we are the fan
club...are we not...is this list not the biggest collection of
ig fans out there who connect, learn things about the girls
schedules, tour dates, politics etc? all we need is a newsletter
and someone to get us all autographed pics and we are what most
people think of as a fan club and as for choice seats...all i
had to do was email the list and say hey i can go to the
nashville concert and i found a wonderful ticket here...now do
we or do we not sound like a fan club? hmmmmmm and we have our
listmeets....i would take an evening at joan's with other list
members anyday over some corporatly sponcered event.....wouldn't
you?


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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 16:51:47 edt
reply-to:     jennie church <jennieum@hotmail.com>
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alright, does anyone know where tix go on sale for the dec. 10 show at
eastern michigan (like who is selling them)?  i know they go on sale this
saturday, but i saw nothing on the ticketmaster site.  help is greatly
appreciated.

-jennie

"i ran as hard as i could, i still ended up here. and it's alright."
emily saliers, indigo girls

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 17:04:39 edt
reply-to:     chakramgrrrl@aol.com
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from:         tigger's back <chakramgrrrl@aol.com>
subject:      re: rcam and the "fan club"
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in a message dated 10/28/99 3:14:56 am central daylight time,
missing_lynx@email.msn.com writes:

<< i must admit to being somewhat perplexed at the amount of negative energy
being directed at two people who have given us so much..... >>

i must point out that the energy is not being directed at the girls, but at
their "fan club" and the people who run it.

~~jennifer
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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 14:25:01 -0700
reply-to:     joan morrison <morrison_joan@yahoo.com>
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from:         joan morrison <morrison_joan@yahoo.com>
subject:      re: rcam and the "fan club"  (long)
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--- beccie lyon <dovesland@yahoo.com> wrote:

>i would take an evening at joan's with
> other list
> members anyday over some corporatly sponcered
> event.....wouldn't
> you?

awwww...thanks beccie!!!!!  i try to be a good
hostess!

>we
> are the fan
> club...are we not...is this list not the biggest
> collection of
> ig fans out there who connect, learn things about
> the girls
> schedules, tour dates, politics etc?

you're right...this online community is really the fan
club...imho

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 17:24:04 edt
reply-to:     chakramgrrrl@aol.com
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from:         tigger's back <chakramgrrrl@aol.com>
subject:      "doing it for the money" (was re: rcam and the "fan club" )
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in a message dated 10/28/99 2:57:00 pm central daylight time,
morrison_joan@yahoo.com writes:

<< you know they're doing it for the love of
playing and not for the money. >>

i keep seeing this pop up... so-and-so is doing it for the money but the
girls are doing it for the music.  i'm sorry... let me dig the wax out of my
ears... how many of you, and i want you to be honest with yourselves, how
many of you get up and go to work every day because you love it?  if you
weren't getting paid one red cent, how many of you would keep doing it?  be
damned if i would.  i've got a service job, working with hearing-impaired
people... and if i wasn't getting paid damn good money for the attitudes and
the snide cracks and the incessant bullshit that i put up with every day out
of people who think i owe them my life because they can't hear, then i
by-damn wouldn't do it.  and i don't think it's a crime for someone to want
to get paid for a talent.  i have a talent with asl.  melissa has a talent
with voice and guitar.  it's no crime for her to want to get paid for her
music, after all, the record companies don't put out her albums for free, and
they buses aren't free and the venues she plays in don't come free.  "doing
it for the music" won't put food on the table or shoes on her babies' feet.

~~jennifer
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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 14:31:25 -0700
reply-to:     "amy j. putnam" <pegasus@crl.com>
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on thu, 28 oct 1999, tigger's back wrote:

> with voice and guitar.  it's no crime for her to want to get paid for her
> music, after all, the record companies don't put out her albums for free, and
> they buses aren't free and the venues she plays in don't come free.  "doing
> it for the music" won't put food on the table or shoes on her babies' feet.

imo, there is a *significant* difference between being paid, even well, for
a job, and on som level deciding to get as much as possible from
the fans.  there [robably arent many of us who *dont* want to make
good money but most of probably wouldnt go and charge people what
some would consider outrageous prices.  there's a difference between
earning a living and gouging.  ymmv.  some dont feel that melissa
is gouging, some do.

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 14:41:02 -0700
reply-to:     joan morrison <morrison_joan@yahoo.com>
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from:         joan morrison <morrison_joan@yahoo.com>
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> how many of you, and i want you to be honest
> with yourselves, how
> many of you get up and go to work every day because
> you love it?  if you
> weren't getting paid one red cent, how many of you
> would keep doing it?  be
> damned if i would.

i think the difference here...and a very important
one...is that ig and mle are doing what they love.
many people accept lower compensation to do something
they truly love.  take people who work for
non-profits, social organizations, and legal services
agencies, for example.  they don't make much money,
but helping people and making a difference in their
lives, and in the world is what inspires them and
keeps them going.

on a realted note, if a person hates what they're
doing for a living, they should consider moving into
another career direction.  fact is, most of us have to
work.  some of the things i would love to do just
wouldn't provide me a good living.  i've been there -
i used to be a photographer and darkroom lab tech and
i barely squeaked by financially.  i went back to
school, changed career fields and now make three times
what i did then. i'm not in a creative field anymore,
but i am good at what i do and i enjoy it.  i didn't
want to be a small-town photographer so bad that i was
willing to do without.  some people are willing to
starve to do what they love, though.  for the rest of
us, the key (and challenge) is finding something
you're good at that that both pays well and fulfills
you. :o)

peace!

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 17:07:13 -0600
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from: anna creech <creechal@jmu.edu>

>i personally wish ani
would take time off every once in a while so maybe she can live a little and
write something new.

write something new? write something new!? all she does is write new stuff.
she's saturating the market. i can't keep up. she needs to slow down, my
budget can't take it!

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 18:55:13 -0400
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"sarah t. rosenblum" wrote:

>  >i personally wish ani
> would take time off every once in a while so maybe she can live a little and
> write something new.
>
> write something new? write something new!? all she does is write new stuff.
> she's saturating the market. i can't keep up. she needs to slow down, my
> budget can't take it!

hm.  what i meant was write *about* something new.  even at that, some of the
stuff off of up up up up up up *sounds* (musically) like old stuff.  same theme,
new cd.  and she's putting them out in less than a year at a time.

i like ani.  i just wish she'd slow down and live a little.  how much of reality
is non-stop touring and recording?

i don't want to take this too far off topic, so this is my last post on the
matter.

anna
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i was wondering if any of you intimate strangers out there might be willing
to dub the latest ig tv appearances for me, as i was playing in the woods
that day... particularly, the rosie show and the view... thank you for your
time!  anyone have the tabs to soon be to nothing or philosophy of loss yet?
(stupid anne hamner...)

g'nite,
-trooper
p.s.  i guess the tabs to don't give up on me baby are long lost gone eh???

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 19:11:44 edt
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i thought i read in the paper that they go on sale on nov 13th, which i
think is late.....
i suppose i coul;d call the convo center.....
no body on campus seems to know either.....
carol

****
alright, does anyone know where tix go on sale for the dec. 10 show at
eastern michigan (like who is selling them)?  i know they go on sale this
saturday, but i saw nothing on the ticketmaster site.  help is greatly
appreciated.

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date:         thu, 28 oct 1999 20:05:12 -0400
reply-to:     susan brill <susan.brill@yale.edu>
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hi all,

i finally got a chance to read some of the reviews (thanks for sending
those to the list!). it is difficult to keep from getting really upset
about some of these. check out these two paragraphs about pol back to back:

>from the advocate nov. issue:
>still, one of the album's truly satisfying moments comes when >saliers
sings the hidden track "philosophy of loss," a plaintive >piano-and-guitar
tune on one of her favorite topics, questioning the >intentions of
organized religion.  it's so beautiful one can't help >but wish there were
more such plain, unadorned moments on the record.

and from the infamous anne hamner review:
>it's difficult
>>  to understand why "philosophy of loss" was tacked
>>  on as a hidden track; loaded with inane, schoolgirl
>>  sentiments, it's saliers' worst song yet.


hmmm - i guess you just gotta find a reviewer you trust and stick with'em.
i don't think it'll be anne hamner for me.

-s.
(still burns me up to think of her statement about how amy should consider
a solo career due to cons. jeez! i am not a violent person, but i had a
momentary impulse that, well, could have been a little violent. ok, i'm
fine now and no harm done.)

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