lifeblood: listlogs: 1999-11c


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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 16:05:24 pst
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while we're on the whole amy wants to be a mother topic...there's an
interview with the girls in daughters of the moon, sisters of the sun and
that subject is discussed...(a very good book and interview, i might add...)

interviewer: do either of you want to be mothers?
emily: no, but i could get the hormonal surge and want to tomorrow!
amy: i've wanted to, but i think i want to finish this tour first (sots) and
then think about it. i really wanted to have kids but i also had a
relationship that just ended that was like a seven year marriage, and i
don't want to have kids in the context of being by myself. i think being a
mother would be a great experience.

just thought i'd share...
lia

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indigo girls
amy ray speaks out on music, motherhood and homophobia.
from: the every other weekly nov. 4 - 17

by amy kepferle

to see folk musicians amy ray and emily saliers on stage is to view a
chemical reaction at work. take the husky alto tones of amy coalescing
with the lilting but potent vocals of emily, throw in a couple of
guitars, a hearty dash of stage presence and breathtaking songwriting,
and the effect is pure alchemy.

as the indigo girls, the acoustic-based goddesses have managed to create
a worldwide following of fans who support their every move. the two have
come a long way since their early days at laurel ridge elementary school
where they first meet.

in 1981, they began playing guitar together in amy's basement. they soon
started playing at open mic nights under the name "saliers-ray" or
"b-band". when emily went to tulane university in new orleans, amy would
head down on weekends and they'd play in the french quarter for tips.
they both eventually transferred to emory university in atlanta, where
they still reside to this day.

in 1985 they adopted the name "indigo girls" and in 1986 they released a
self-tided ep followed by their first full-length album, strange fire.
they signed with epic in 1988
.
fast forward to 1999.  the indigo girls are releasing their seventh full
length album, called come on now social.  they've been touring together
for over 15 years, and although they both keep busy with plenty of side
projects and activist-related activities, the chemistry of the duo
remains solid.

i recently talked with amy ray, and here's what she had to say about the
indigo girls, homophobia and the possibility of her becoming  a mom one
of these days:

amy k: can you tell me a little about come on now social?

amy ray: well, we started recording it in an apartment in london owned
by this man named john reynolds.  we met him two years ago,  during
liliith fair.  sinead o'connor had this great band and we became friends
with all of them. john was playing drums and we just really hit it off.
john said, "come to my apartment and experiment".

that's kind of where the record started. we used all those players. and
we ended up finishing it in atlanta with him.

i'd say it's definitely a progression. there are some songs on it that
are really loud and electric. and then i think there's a lot of songs,
to me, that harken back to our early days. sort of simple melodies and
harmonies and folk stuff. i think it's probably most the diverse record
we've ever done
.
amy k: are you bummed that lillith fair is no more?  do you think the
success of it has opened the doors to other female artists perhaps doing
similar tours?

amy ray.- just on a sentimental level, i really had fun, so that's a
bummer.  but i'm glad that it stopped when it did, because i think it
was the perfect time.  it was great, and it left on a really good note,
and that' s the best way to do something like that because that way our
thoughts are positive and when people think about doing things like
this, they have positive thing to look to.
i think it definitely has opened the doors and given others the courage
to go out and take women for their opening bands.

when i went on lillith and everybody was talking about how scary it was
to do all-female, bills, i was kind of like "ok.  so people are really
worried about that?" i've never been worried about that in my life.

it was eye-opening to realize the pressure people feel about that.i
think it relieved so much of that pressure. i remember in our early days
we were always trying to get on bills opening for people.  if it was a
female artist they didn't want a female opener.  things like that.  how
stupid.

amy k: i know you've spoken out on a lot of different issues -
indigenous environmental activism, free speech, politics, homophobia. do
you think performers have a duty to try to affect change?

amy ray: no, i don't think it's a duty. but i think if you are going to
cash in on a political profile in the media, you'd better know what
you're talking about and be willing to back it up... you know, like with
money and time. all i know is that people should be involved in their
communities. because i spend all my time doing music, that's how i can
be involved. i'm an activist, and music is just one of my vehicles.

amy k: in the spring of 1998, free shows you had scheduled in high
schools in south carolina and tennessee were cancelled due to what the
principals said were objectionable language but what was obviously
homophobia. what was your reaction to this? did the students support
you?

amy ray: the students were great. there were a couple of locations where
the students were so loud in their protests that we immediately
scheduled other shows the same day at all-ages venues outside of the
high school for free. and they had walk-outs, protests, t-shirts that
they painted with special slogans on them that they wore to the shows -
about free speech, censorship, homophobia. it was quite impressive.

amy k: isn't that a scary message to be sending to kids - that if you're
different you don't deserve to be heard?

amy ray: i think there definitely were some kids who agreed with us not
coming. they felt fundamentalist in their values about gay people and
had "love the sinner, hate the sin" kinds of messages. but for the most
part, i think even kids that weren't sure what they thought about being
gay felt like it was really stupid to dampen that voice. i guess kids
are not afraid to confront things, even if they feel differently about
them.

the parents were just mortified that their children would ask us about
our lifestyles. that was the main concern. we had question and answer
sessions at the shows. it cracked my up, because i was like, 'what if
they ask you? what are you going to say?' if they say to you: 'what does
it mean to be gay?' are you going to say 'let's not talk about it'? i
just thought it was a massive miscalculation on the parent's part.

amy k: so instead of celebrating diversity, they were basically just
trying to say it didn't exist?

amy ray: or even just giving the kids a chance to have something
confrontational happen in their life. it also gives the parents a chance
to tell their kids they don't agree with it. at least it broaches the
subject.

amy k: i've seen you and emily perform, and it's obvious your fan base
is true blue. to what do you attribute that - other than the fact, of
course, that you're both amazing performers and songwriters?

amy ray: well, i think we have a great audience, and the audience is
part of the show. it takes both elements. we've been touring for 15
years, or even longer. we try to reinvent ourselves, but we also try to
always do the old stuff. i think we're honest.

i think loyalty comes from people understanding that there's substance
there, rather than being all about hype and image and money. our fans
always pass our tapes down to their younger siblings, and things keep
recycling, which is really great.

amy k: what does it take to keep a musical duo performing together for
so many years? is it a give and take situation?

amy ray: every time we talk about doing side projects we have die-hard
fans who are freaked because they think we're going to split up. i'm
just like, 'no, that's what's keeping us together!" we have a great
relationship and we're really close friends.

we've been through so much together that at this point it's like having
your family with you all the time. we're very different people and i'm
sure she gets more frustrated with me than i do with her. i'm sure.

amy k: why's that?

amy ray: i think i'm just a pain in the ass a lot of times. and she's
not, honestly.

amy k: i think you need a pain in the ass in every group.

amy ray: yeah, i think you do too. but it's kind of rough to be the one
that is. but we're doing great. i think the key has been freedom. she
does what she wants and i'll do what i want and we realize that the sum
is greater than the parts.

amy k: what's your musical inspiration? any favorite album right now?

amy ray: the group that's playing with us in bellingham - the butchies -
they've been really inspiring to me. i listened to team dresch when team
dresch was around. this is like a new band formed with a couple of those
members. they're just great songwriters.

it's really mostly indie stuff. i have my own record label - daemon
records - and so i listen to a lot of the stuff that i put out. i have
this new artist named rose polenzani and another band called three
finger cowboy. and a new hip hop group too, called justin hale, from
atlanta....that's really great.

sometimes press people will be like, 'yeah, but those are the groups on
your label.' and i'm like, yeah, but that's why they're on the label,
because those are the cds i'm listening to. those are the demos that i
got in the mail that i really liked.

and there's a group out of seattle called the murder city devils that i
really like. they've got some cool stuff goin on musically.

amy k: amy, where do you see yourself when you're 40?

amy ray: that's not very far from now. i know the indigo girls - if
we're doing music - we'll be doing indigo girls. it's so weird to be
this old.

i might have a kid. that's kind of where my head's at. in two years, i'm
going to make that final decision about whether i want to or not. i hope
i'm still healthy, to be honest with you. when you hit your 30s, you
start hearing a lot about breast cancer and that kind of stuff. the
things that you appreciate in life is that you're healthy and your
family is healthy.

stock picture of amy and emily, the sitting on the wall one.

cute picture of the butchies with the caption:
"the butchies open for acoustic goddess amy ray and emily saliers -
otherwise know as the indigo girls - on november 11"

cool article huh? me thinks the interviewer is a fan!

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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 19:29:19 est
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from:         lisa r <lisa071573@aol.com>
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pyloric?? are you reading confederacy of dunces??

all skate, now reverse - so um, did no one else go roller skating when they
were little?? it was like what we did for fun in the 4th grade - they even
had nights at the rink for like the whole jr high..of course i grew up in nh
so....

lisa
"just say yes, you little arsonist..you're so sure you can save every hair on
my chest." ~tori amos

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 11:36:29 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

just a couple of random bits:

i) my flatmate says he heard "gone again" on 2bl (a sydney-area
government-owned am radio station) three mornings last week.
i doubt any tracks from the album have shown up on any "real"
(ha :) stations though.

ii) i'm thinking of organising a listmeet-type thing in early
december.  (this wouldn't be just for this list but also for
all the other sydney internet folks i've met over the past
couple of years, of whom there are about a dozen.)  probably
some form of barbie, possibly at coogee.  drop me a line if
you're interested...

-sherlyn
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  into the country of your heart..."    - karma county

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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 16:36:10 -0800
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start saving !  t-shirts are $28, sweatshirt is $60, ig dogtag is $10.  a
little shorty zipped black sweatshirt w/tiny ig logo is $45, largest size
was m/l.  3 t-shirts: natural - same as cons cover;  sage - color ig logo
w/sickle; black - ??? on front and tour dates on back.  sweatshirt: plum -
ig on front and cons on back ~ spelled out.  dogtag has ig logo w/sickle.
$3 of each t-shirt are donated to a different cause at each show.

your merchandise reporter,
simone :)

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> hey everybody.  i have tickets to see the ig in atlanta in december and i
was wondering if anyone who has seen them thus far on the cons tour can tell
me what the shirts for sale look like and the approximate prices...

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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 18:38:18 -0500
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kelly wrote:
>
> has anybody else on here ever heard of the band red letter day?  my friend
> krista (who, coincidentally, introduced me to ig's music) lent me their 4
> bowls of colour cd, and they just rock. :)

i've heard of them and i even own that cd.  derek at cdbaby.com recommended them
to me when i was chatting with him on the phone about my radio show a few months
ago.  he said that they kind of have an indigo sound.

if you're expecting rock'n'roll punk amy to come bursting through red letter
day... let's just say they're more like the 80's version of the indigo girls.
but do check them out.  i think they may be from the baltimore area.

anna
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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 17:37:27 pst
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my gf won tix for the 11/19 concert on kbco (the question was "which
musician did emily thank on their first cd album?"  too easy!)and we already
bought tix for 11/18.  due to a lack of money, we would love to sell our 4
tickets for the 18th.  the face value is $36 something each, including
ticketbastard fees.  we're just asking for face value (or somewhere around
there).  please email me if you are interested.

shelley
sstetler@jeffco.k12.co.us

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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 20:53:17 est
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hi y'all~
    first of all i just wanted to say hi! it's been quite a while since i
last posted...
    second, i'm not quite sure who was the one who recommended cat power to
the list about a year ago or so... i just had the chance to check it out and
i love it! so i wanted to thank whoever recommended that. who was it?
    and lastly, i was wondering if anyone has or knows anyone who owns a boot
of harborlights on july 11th, 1998. please email me! i've been trying to get
that boot for about a year now!
take care. until next post,
~alyssa

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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 19:11:08 -0800
reply-to:     laurel decou <indibabe2@yahoo.com>
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i'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but does
anyone know what amy's saying in the background fo
cbarc?  it's mostly at the end behind the chorus.
thanks!
laurel

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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 22:30:23 -0500
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lisa r wrote:
>
> pyloric?? are you reading confederacy of dunces??


my favorite book of all time!!!  i must have read it at least 15 times
since i got it for x-mas 10 years ago - every now and then when i need
to take a break and read something extremely silly and mindless, this is
the book for me.  read it - i highly recommend it.  i would read it on
the subway train and burst out laughing.  people would slowly inch away
from me . . .

"my valve"!  "that minx.  she must be thrashed"!  "i am the avenging
sword of taste and decency" . . . oh, the witticisms of ignatius j.
reilly . . .

remember the sign on the hot dog cart?  twelve inches of paradise?

you must read this book.  it's so funny.

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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 22:51:01 -0500
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thanks for the tip elaine - i've been looking for something fun to read
over thanksgiving break and this sounds like just the thing!

maggie

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if amy wants to have a baby i wish her all  the
luck in the world,  i think she'd be a wonderful
mother, when push comes to shove and she chooses motherhood over ig ,
i'd rather they ended over that than like say a fight.  they'd still be
friends.  and a reunion is always a possibility.  whereas for other
groups  who don't end on  a positive note,  it's that much harder.  you
know what i mean?

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at 07:11 pm 11/14/1999 -0800, laurel decou wrote:
>i'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but does
>anyone know what amy's saying in the background fo
>cbarc?  it's mostly at the end behind the chorus.
>thanks!

if you're referring to the part i'm thinking of, she's singing "i guess it
comes apart so little by little" (from the third verse).

(i'm still getting over how this song was listed as "cold beer and rude
waiters" on the 11/5 setlist . . .)


battle on,
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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 23:44:37 pst
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>(i'm still getting over how this song was listed as "cold beer and rude
>waiters" on the 11/5 setlist . . .)


in austin they listed it as "cold beer and flan" . . . .made me laugh a lot
. . .also, under (shit, totally blanking on the drummer's name) they had
"bish bash bosh tinketytink" written across the column of boxes showing
which instrument he'd play on what song . . .silly girls.

~tay

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at 11:44 pm 11/14/1999 -0800, taylor martin wrote:

>in austin they listed it as "cold beer and flan" . . . .made me laugh a lot
>. . .also, under (shit, totally blanking on the drummer's name) they had
>"bish bash bosh tinketytink" written across the column of boxes showing
>which instrument he'd play on what song . . .silly girls.

blair cunningham?  *laugh*  i'm reminded of tori amos referring to her
drummer, matt chamberlain, as "this creature over here who hits things."
his instrument column for nov. 5 said "the blair wich (sic) project
percussion concept."  i'm wondering if that had anything to do with amy's
mention, the previous night, of clare kenny (i think) having fallen asleep
during the video of bwp . . .


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date:         sun, 14 nov 1999 23:46:16 -0800
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wow!!! another incredible show!!! i'm tired and need to get some more
homework done, so here's a quick recap, and i'll leave the setlist to
others...

a + e seemed really happy, and really chatty tonight... it was great...
they said numerous times how much they liked it here, how beautiful it
is here, etc... they were great...a lot more of the rocking songs,
including compromise, the one i'd really, really wanted to see that they
hadn't played in portland.  the crossword puzzle came up again -- amy
thought of the right answer to a clue from one of last weeks puzzles
while they were singing (a zoologist's foot = paw... they'd put pes
because it fit...)

we also got a 4 song encore!!! =) :
po2
do you wanna touch me (w/ the butchies)
down by the river (w/ the butchies)
galileo
lucky lucky us!

i was sitting farther back this time, so i had to sit down for a few
songs, which was too bad... but mostly, the crowd was great, ad the
girls were fabulous...

the only bad point of the night was when i was trying to get a setlist,
and a lady next to me started *hitting* me, so that her daughter would
have a better chance at getting it!!! that aside, it was another
fabulous ig concert, and i'm now going to go into withdrawal...

shannon
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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 03:46:25 -0500
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hi all,

between late last night and through most of this afternoon i listened to
katie's cd and recorded my thoughts on a web page which i attached to my
katie miller site -  http://angelfire.com/ny3/katiemiller

there is also a review of the november 11 cd release party at the tralf
attached to the main page.

the direct link to the cd review is:
http://angelfire.com/ny3/katiemiller/cdreview.htm

i hope you will find it interesting.

peace,
tim

p.s. i also made some extensive changes to my gigs page,
http://angelfire.com/ny3/havanamoon/timsgigs.html
with information on aerin tedesco's forthcoming cd release party and a great
sunday evening show i'm putting together which will feature ig listee sarah
pinsker and several of my local songwriter friends.

ciao!

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 08:15:33 est
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well, this is old news but....
during the rites of passage tour - in an interview - amy and emily both said
they jogged routinely  (on this day - after sound check and before the
concert) to stay healthy.  sounds like it may still hold true on some days.
sonja

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report from 9th row, center. . .

venue (hult center):  incredible building.  state-of-the-art, beautiful
theater.

opener:  the hotties--uh, i mean, the butchies.  completely exceeded my
expectations.  i'm now in love with melissa, the drummer.

interesting fact:  amy had a root canal earlier in the day, but reported
"feeling fine."

fashion report:
amy--stripey/flowery shirt; jeans
emily--blue camouflage pants; white t-shirt; black button down; glittery
eyelid stuff

between-song banter:  mostly about how beautiful they thought eugene was,
and the size of the seaguls.  emily: "fat damn bird" on the river today.

setlist (complete and in order):
go
trouble
chickenman (no soc)
get out the map
kid fears
peace tonight
compromise
love will come to you
ozilline
cold beer & remote control
johnny rotten
closer to fine
shed your skin
airplane (!)
faye tucker
least complicated
shame on you
--encore--
power of two  (emily started laughing at blair and missed the first line of
the last verse, then continued mid-sentence)
do you wanna touch --w/ the butchies  (awesome rockin' kick-ass jam!)
down by the river --w/ the butchies  (amy played lead!)
galileo

eugene, or vs. eureka, ca:
eugene was a better show, and a better crowd.  the butchies were better than
rose polenzani. but front row at eureka beats 9th row at eugene any day.  oh
to see that sweat and spit up close!

helpful tip:  1) if you're going to drive 12 hours in one day (like i just
did). . .well, um, just don't.  2) when you get home at 5 am from oregon, go
directly to bed; don't turn on the computer (like i just did).

-anna

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 09:32:51 -0500
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  sulli is damn fine, and may she carry on anything(within reason)  that
she may be doing or wanting to do.  i had the pleasure of chit-chatting
wiht her before a concert a couple of years ago.  on the last honor the
earth that they did...'97 if i'm not mistaken.  well just my
mouthfull..ttyl
peace & love,
        carrie

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 06:32:30 pst
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hey everyone,
   yes, i'm back on the list, after a looooong hiatus -- i might have to
unsub again, though, because i spend half my day reading e-mail now.  i'm
trying very very hard to get the girls here (charlottesville) before i
graduate from uva (this may, scary...) and i was wondering if :
a. anyone who has been involved with putting on an ig show could e-mail me
b. anyone could tell me what size venues the ig have been playing lately

thanks!  oh, and anyone in the c'ville area (meg?) -- i'm playing at trax
this friday nov 19th -- i haven't practiced my own songs in forever, so it
should be interesting.  it should be a fun show, though, because devon and
lauren hoffman are playing too -- i go on at about 9:30.  (end shameless
self-promotion)
                                         stephanie

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 06:59:56 -0800
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> i've got a question about the three hits single.
> does anyone know the dates
> or venues for the 4 live tracks:
> galileo
> joking
> ghost
> jonas & ezekial

fox theater, atlanta, ga - 27 nov '92

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hey gang - so i'm working on these early recordings bootlegs - and i've
decided to do new art for them, because the old art - well... sucks.  and
they're looking great, but i need help with the cd-art - for the cd labels
themselves.  i'm looking for '90 or before color photos that are scanned at
720 dpi or higher, and big enough to go on a disc (4.75 inches square,
converted to round) so i don't lose clarity by enlarging.  i prefer .bmp
files.

so go through your scrapbooks, and see if you've got 'just the right thing'
- i'll even give you credit in the jewel-art.

thanks in advance kind friends.

-tara, the self-appointed digital bootleg junkie.

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hi all,

hope the weekend was good to you.  as promised, here's the details on two,
count 'em two bootleg offers.  with all the new folks on the list and
those who weren't able to hear the girls on their local public radio
station, here's the promised offers

first:

las cruces indigo               8/24/96

this was a bootleg recorded onto dat (digital audio tape) when the girls
played in our little auditorium on the new mexico state university campus.
the crowd size was about 300.  i recorded this boot from second row of
bodies (approx 5 feet from the girls), almost dead center.  it's a pretty
good bootleg, as i'm sure there are some folks on this list who would
vouch for it.  it fits on a 90 min tape.  there's a little bit of talking
at the beginning but not enough to ruin the quality of the songs.  setlist
is as follows.

        least complicated
        hand me downs
        it's alright
        hey kind friend
        get out the map
        tried to be true
        winthrop
        don't give that girl a gun
        everything in its own time
        bury my heart at wounded knee
        caramia
        chiapas bound
        ghost
        cut it out
        reunion
        galileo

        *encore*
        shame on you
        closer to fine


bootleg offer #2                mountain stage/world cafe

this is a copy of the public radio international programs "mountain stage"
and world cafe, both of which featured the girls in a live studio
performance. these boots are dat copies of the shows that were fed to
public radio stations around the country.  being a public radio employee,
and in charge of recording all the shows my station airs, i had and
continue to have access to such programs, whether we air them or not.  so,
this next boot has the segments on both mountain stage and world cafe
featuring the girls.  here's the set list for both:

        mountain stage (43:33)          world cafe (29:33)

get out the map                         gone again
don't give that girl a gun              peace tonight
power of two                            go
everything in it's own time             cold beer and remote control
hey kind friend                         land of canaan
galileo
chickenman
encore
let the good times roll
  (with all the ms guests)
        pri credits

if you care to receive one or both of the boots/dubs, i ask the following:

#1.     you enjoy them

#2      you agree that if you had heard either the mountain stage or world
cafe program on your local public radio station, you would have recorded
it for your personal enjoyment anyway.  by my providing you with a copy of
the mentioned programs, i can put my job in jeopardy.  i ask you to please
not use these dubs for commercial use or profit.


the details:

if you want both or one of the boots/dubs, email me privately and i will
give you all the information needed to get the tapes underway.  i will be
recording all the boots from the master dat, ensuring the best quality and
no generation loss.  both boots/dubs fit on a 90 min. tape.  so, if you
want both, send me two 90 min tapes, preferably maxell gold.  if you
can't, that's alright but if you will be playing them lots, you might want
the extra investment in the maxell's.


in the subject line, please put boot/dub offer

hope that brings some smiles to people's faces today and ya'll have a good
day.

carrie

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at the end of the song, i believe amy is sing
the first chorus - all of my days have been mispent....
i work for impossible american dream....

that's what it sounds like to me.

have a great day (one month until my
trip to atlanta...and still counting)

cathy

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>blair cunningham?  *laugh*
yeah, that's his name . . . that's what happens when i'm sleep deprived . .
. .hee hee hee.

~tay

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 12:22:43 -0600
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hi--

i am wondering if anyone out there in the world of indigo can help
me...i plan on going to upcoming concerts at uw-eau claire and northrup
auditorium at the university of mn, and am wondering how i might find
out if amy/emily are going to be making any other appearances in the
area while they are here (cd signings at local music stores, etc.)?
i just hate the thought of something like that goin' on without having
a chance to be there, but have no idea how to find out about those
kinds of things.  ideas?  advice?  any help would be greatly
appreciated!  thank ya!

pam

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 14:21:39 est
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if anyone has an extra guitar pick from this tour or the last tour who would
be interrested in trading something for it, let me know. i have lots of
stuff to trade, including a dar williams "end of the summer" cd that i'd be
happy to send out. a friend of mine would really love a pick for christmas
and i'd be really happy to get her one.
thanks so much,
karen

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hey all,
would someone mind reposting the lyrics to johnny rotten?

also, i think i missed the posting for chords for faye tucker.  i haven't
really tried to figure out the chords to the new songs yet.  though,
ozilline is really easy.  just straight d, d9 and g.  :)

thanks!
carolyn

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actually, the little zippered sweat is $60 and the other sweat is $45. the
zippered sweat is made out of......hemp! we carry the company's line in our
store and i was thrilled (tho not surprised) to see the girls get into it.
nomads 1800 (the manufacturer of said sweatshirt) also donates their profits
to inner-city street kids...rather, art programs for inner-city street kids.

now does anyone know what algodon is? the hats say 100% algodon and they
were made in the phillipines. i've got a great lead on hemp hats for them
and they are well-priced, even!

it should also be noted the t-shirts are organic cotton (meaning cotton
grown without nasty chemicals).

ryan blackhawke
owner - fremont hemp co
(888) 956-hemp
http://www.fremonthemp.com

> -----original message-----

> a
> little shorty zipped black sweatshirt w/tiny ig logo is $45, largest size
> was m/l.  3 t-shirts: natural - same as cons cover;  sage - color ig logo
> w/sickle; black - ??? on front and tour dates on back.  sweatshirt: plum -
> ig on front and cons on back ~ spelled out.  dogtag has ig logo w/sickle.
> $3 of each t-shirt are donated to a different cause at each show.

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 15:55:14 -0500
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algodon is spanish for cotton.

-em

at 12:42 pm 11/15/99 -0800, ryan blackhawke wrote:
>actually, the little zippered sweat is $60 and the other sweat is $45. the
>zippered sweat is made out of......hemp! we carry the company's line in our
>store and i was thrilled (tho not surprised) to see the girls get into it.
>nomads 1800 (the manufacturer of said sweatshirt) also donates their profits
>to inner-city street kids...rather, art programs for inner-city street kids.
>
>now does anyone know what algodon is? the hats say 100% algodon and they
>were made in the phillipines. i've got a great lead on hemp hats for them
>and they are well-priced, even!
>
>it should also be noted the t-shirts are organic cotton (meaning cotton
>grown without nasty chemicals).
>
>ryan blackhawke
>owner - fremont hemp co
>(888) 956-hemp
>http://www.fremonthemp.com
>
>> -----original message-----
>
>> a
>> little shorty zipped black sweatshirt w/tiny ig logo is $45, largest size
>> was m/l.  3 t-shirts: natural - same as cons cover;  sage - color ig logo
>> w/sickle; black - ??? on front and tour dates on back.  sweatshirt: plum -
>> ig on front and cons on back ~ spelled out.  dogtag has ig logo w/sickle.
>> $3 of each t-shirt are donated to a different cause at each show.
>
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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 15:54:18 est
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i just wanted to say thanks to everyone who understood and came to our
defense...this was blown way out of proportion...it was just meant to be a
date: sun, 12 dec 1999 20:43:06 +0000
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funny story, and it turned ugly.

cindy

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 14:58:54 -0600
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i saw mrs. fun open for ani difranco in milwaukee.  what i can remember,
is that they have synthezisery and drums take part also.  can't tell you
much more.

we out,
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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 12:55:39 -0800
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hahaha. ok i got it. algodon = cotton. you can stop telling me now. thanks
everybody!

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> algodon is spanish for cotton.
>
> -em

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 13:20:13 -0800
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hey everyone,

for those of you that have been contemplating going to the millenium
march in dc in april, it's time to stop thinking about it and start
making your resevations!

the hotels are going fast... the equality rocks concert tickets are now
on sale... here are two websites you'll find helpful:

march info:
http://www.planetout.com/mmow/

equality rocks concert info
http://www.hrc.org/equality_rocks/index.html

ticketmaster (search under "equality rocks"
www.ticketmaster.com

i'm hoping that the girls decide to play at the equality rocks
concert... <g>

anyway, if you're going, let me know, and if we have a large enough
group we should try to meet up sometime over the weekend!

hope these links are helpful.

~jean

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if you signed up for the card exchange, you should have gotten a message
today titled "card exchange (important)" if you think you signed up and
didn't receive that message, please email me!  take care everyone!  today was
the deadline for signing up...so lists go out in the next couple days...

erin sue =)

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<< eugene was a better show, and a better crowd.  the butchies were better
than
rose polenzani. >>

hmm i would think this would be more a matter or taste than who is
objectively better, as from what i gather they are totally different.  rose
is an aquired taste for some, but after more listens its hard not to realize
that she is quite brilliant.  her words are just more complex so people dont
always get them on the first listen.

after all these raves about the butchies, though, i am curious and tempted to
go buy a cd.  can someone tell me more about what they're like and recommend
a cd (thats is if there's more than one)?

thanks, jess

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 14:53:35 -0700
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i really enjoyed rose.  she's very intense.

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<< eugene was a better show, and a better crowd.  the butchies were better
than
rose polenzani. >>

hmm i would think this would be more a matter or taste than who is
objectively better, as from what i gather they are totally different.  rose
is an aquired taste for some, but after more listens its hard not to realize
that she is quite brilliant.  her words are just more complex so people dont
always get them on the first listen.

after all these raves about the butchies, though, i am curious and tempted
to
go buy a cd.  can someone tell me more about what they're like and recommend
a cd (thats is if there's more than one)?

thanks, jess

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 18:44:49 -0500
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just to let you all know....please sign this petition against the nuclear
waste amendments act of 1999. stop nuclear waste from being dumped on native
land, and stop it from traveling through our cities! educate yourselves and
educate others....please pass this on to as many people as you can!

http://www.e-thepeople.com/affiliates/national/index.cfm?pc=petfv1&petid=277
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thank you.

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 18:00:00 mst
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hey all.  this is relevant to this list and daemon records fans.

yucca mountain project:  this is an issue which you, most of you, are aware.
  go here to see

http://www.e-thepeople.com/affiliates/national/index.cfm?pc=petsum

while reading this, take note of the author:  daemon records staff.

also, since many of us consider ourselves close friends brought together by
music and political activism, i thought i'd take this time to reveal some of
my own personal struggles with the political system.  it's not a famous, or
very warm fuzzy issue like my some of my favorites regarding the
environment, but i am begging all of you to support a petition i wrote on
the same web site!  my family has been traumatized by a genetic disease
called ehlers-danlos syndrome, as have a lot of other families throughout
the nation.  congress has been introduced to this disease by some really
brave women (women i have the most respect for!!!) who personally went to
the congress after organizing a massive letter writing campaign to try to
educate some of its members in order to increase funding for the national
institutes of health (nih) for genetic disease research.
please go here to see both petitions mentioned:

http://www.e-thepeople.com/affiliates/national/index.cfm?pc=petsum

igc, if you must know, is that i could not have gotten through the pain of
the death of my g-mother and my dad so well without ig.  my sister has been
diagnosed as a carrier; i am not a carrier.  but i will fight for her, my
dad, and my g-mother!!!  thus, you can understand what "sister" and
"oziline" must mean to me.

i'm beggin' and pleadin' now.

-chee

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sorry, k.mc. is not a daemon records staff member.  i think she should be,
though.


-chee

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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list but is more appropriate
for here instead.  please send replies to heather at
hn2ms@yahoo.com...

thanks,
sherlyn

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>i know this isn't *news*, but i have a question i
>figure someone here can answer.  i bought a cap at
>the ig concert in berkeley last week, and i want to
>know what the flag-type symbol on the cap is all
>about.  anyone who can help me out here?
>
>also, anyone know the origins of the picture on the
>dog tags they're selling?
>
>feel free to send replies just to me.  thanks!!
>
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ok, i heard it straight from the horse's mouth about the friday show - when i emailed her and asked her if she'd be playing either of the atlanta dates with the ig, michelle malone emailed me that she'd be there on friday.

i've been wondering about thursday, so i played around on daemon tonight and saw that three finger cowboy will be opening for them on thursday.

unlucky me chose thursday's show so that i could avoid out of town crowds on friday and so i could see john mayer at eddie's friday night.  i'm still excited and all, but i'd liked to have seen mm on the same stage with ig since i haven't been lucky enough to witness that yet.  i like 3fc alright, but i've seen them about a hundred times already, you know?

ah, well.......there will be other times, i'm sure - thank god i live so close!  :)

and it will still be a stellar weekend with ig on thurs, john mayer on fri, and mm on sat!  rock on!

amanda

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i wrote:

< how amazing
would it be for them to do  neil young's "down by the river"? you know
caroline dale would just blow the roof off of the joint with that cello of
hers! i mean hello!! what a perfect cover for them to do with that band.
clare kenny in the back getting all funky on the bass (i'm addicted to bass)
, you know carol isaacs would be doing something crazy with that accordion of
hers and of course blair well hell he speaks for himself (amazing drummer).
we all know a&e totally dig neil and with that band they could jam all night
on that one song alone.  so how bout it? what do kiddies think?>

then i read:
  <  we also got a 4 song encore!!! =) :
             po2
             do you wanna touch me (w/ the butchies)
             down by the river (w/ the butchies)
             galileo
             lucky lucky us!>

ok how much does that bite!!!!  you lucky people of eugene!!!   i can't
believe they did down by the river!!!!  i so want to hear that with this
band! ok ok i'll shut up now. think i'll go wallow now. lol

-di

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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 14:58:58 -0800
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my friend tells me that the radio station magic 93.1 in boise is having a
contest to give away ig tickets.

. . . i just find it on the offensive side that they're calling it the
"magic carpet ride" and advertising it with a soundbite from south park.
(cartman saying that he's licked a lot of carpet and doesn't feel like a
lesbian yet.)  apparently they're advertising their melissa etheridge
ticket giveaway the same way.

god, if i were in boise i wouldn't even be trying for that contest.


battle on,
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date:         mon, 15 nov 1999 19:34:03 -0800
reply-to:     kristina <andrade@az.com>
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>>(i'm still getting over how this song was listed as "cold beer and rude
>>waiters" on the 11/5 setlist . . .)

>in austin they listed it as "cold beer and flan" . . . .

on the bellingham (11/11) setlist it was written down as "cold beer &
rats." :) mmm, tasty!

k.

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at 07:34 pm 11/15/1999 -0800, kristina wrote:
>>>(i'm still getting over how this song was listed as "cold beer and rude
>>>waiters" on the 11/5 setlist . . .)
>
>>in austin they listed it as "cold beer and flan" . . . .
>
>on the bellingham (11/11) setlist it was written down as "cold beer &
>rats." :) mmm, tasty!

this is fun . . .
we ought to keep a record of all the different goofy titles they come up
with for this song!  could probably come up with enough for a webpage . . .


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  i have the set list from knoxville where they have it listed as  "cold beer
+ good catering" ..lol

-di

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> my friend tells me that the radio station magic 93.1 in boise is having a
>contest to give away ig tickets.
>. . . i just find it on the offensive side that they're calling it the
>"magic carpet ride" and advertising it with a soundbite from south park.
>(cartman saying that he's licked a lot of carpet and doesn't feel like a
>lesbian yet.)  apparently they're advertising their melissa etheridge
>ticket giveaway the same way.

a radio station here gave away ig front row center tickets but in order to
be entered into the drawing you had to "kiss the beaver." i am not making
this up. they sent their intern downtown dressed in a beaver suit and at
the end of the day he picked the "best kisser" and their name was entered
into the drawing. some men called in and complained that this contest
discriminated against them so they sent the intern out dressed in a monkey
suit and you had to "spank the monkey" and intern guy picked the best
spanker (he picked a woman who showed up with a whip). i can see how some
people reading this probably think it's really cute and funny but i had to
listen to their promos every day and it was done in very poor taste.
juvenile snickering, nudge-nudge, aren't-we-clever sort of thing. :\ i
_really_ doubt they would have run a contest like that for someone like
sarah mclachlan or tori amos. it just made me angry they treated the ig
concert like a big joke. it wasn't respectful, to say the least.

k.

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you'd have to see that ep of south park to put it into context. it is one of
my favorite eps. basically, the boys all have a crush on their sub but chef
tells them she's a lesbian so the boys figure if they become lesbians, then
she'll date them (you have to realize the thinking of 3rd graders here). so
cartman's mom (who is oversexed, to say the least) tells him that to be a
lesbian "you have to lick alot of carpet" which, in all honesty, we do. but
as a 3rd grader, it was taken literally so in walks one of the kids and ask
what the hell he's doing. his response is "mom sez that to be a lesbian, you
have to lick alot of carpet." so hours go by and cartman gets all frustrated
and sez goddammit! i been licking this carpet for hours and i still don't
feel like a lesbian!"

ok so the other part is one of the kids gets birkenstocks and the other kid
get an indi-g(l)o girls cd.

so i wonder if they could be hit for copyright infringement...

ryan

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> . . . i just find it on the offensive side that they're calling it the
> "magic carpet ride" and advertising it with a soundbite from south park.
> (cartman saying that he's licked a lot of carpet and doesn't feel like a
> lesbian yet.)  apparently they're advertising their melissa etheridge
> ticket giveaway the same way.

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november 15 ('51)
nazman@iastate.edu (naz)

november 15 ('76)
sanawike1@aol.com (sarah weigman)

november 16 ('74)
a-vogt@students.uiuc.edu (amy doreen vogt)
happy 23rd, amy!

november 17 ('75)
c641368@mizzou1.missouri.edu (angela)

november 18 ('73)
asl@gandalf.ucms.maine.edu (michael reynolds)

november 18 (80)
gsbleeker@mail.utexas.edu (geoff)

november 19
maclayton@mhc.mtholyoke.edu (margaret clayton)

november 20 ('75)
salray@webtv.net (tracy fears "sal-ray")

november 20 ('75)
john.bond@lineone.net (john)
"where's the kaboom? there was supposed to be an earth - shattering
kaboom!!!" - marvin the martian

november 21
macleods@spectranet.ca (lori macleod)
"i'd like to wish tami a happy 30th birthday"
- from the geneva show (11/3/97)


happy birthday allllllllllll!!!!!!!!!

love,
audra
bge


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oh wow, how ignorant.  that offends me.  i've watched several sp episodes,
and never could figure out the humor, albeit odd and grotesque.  my last beau
(a handsome yet stubborn and conservative man)found it funny, must be why he
is now in kentucky and no longer speaking to me.  his (our?!!!) deliverance?
   (banjo please...)... i am so grateful to be away from him....there is a
god!  please no one, i mean to offend no one.


peace.

vicki

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i don't know if anyone knows this but i found a place to find a little more
butchie info and merchandise and photo's at : www.mrlady.com it's pretty
cool! you can order their cd's and they have great independent short films
and stuff, it's pretty awesome y'all should go check it out! take it easy!

mandy :)

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at 07:52 pm 11/15/1999 -0800, ryan blackhawke wrote:

>you'd have to see that ep of south park to put it into context.

all due respect, ryan: i've seen the episode, so i know where it came from.
in and of itself, i had no problem with the sp ep.  i thought it was damn
funny; i just had a problem with the implications resulting from the way it
was associated with the ig concert giveaway.  i find it disrespectful, as
kristina said; it seems like a juvenile, snide way of pigeonholing ig as
lesbian music (okay, so it tends to be), and of singling amy and emily out
for their sexuality.  i've read several interviews where they state that
they don't want to be known as a lesbian band first and foremost, so this
strikes me as especially disrespectful, not to mention crass.

like ryan said, it's out of context.  not everyone knows the context of
that episode, though, and even for those who do . . . it's easy to take
that soundbite at face value.

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yep, i would agree totally.

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on the phoenix setlist it is listed as cold beer and the blair witch project.

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>  i have the set list from knoxville where they have it listed as  "cold beer
>+ good catering" ..lol

and from the claremont, ca show, it's cold beer and a dumb-ass hotel.
blair's part reads bish bash bosh and badda bing, badda boong.

man, i didn't know coming up with a set-list was so much fun!

tamara

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that sp ep did sound funny (i hadn't seen it), but yeah - i don't like the
sound of that promotion. it did sound juvenile and disrespectful.

you know, it surprised me to hear about this promotion! the only radio
stations around here that go for that kind of humor would never play the
ig. conversely, the only radio station within earshot that i'm certain
plays the ig is wfuv in nyc, and i'm pretty sure it would never occur to
them to do a "lick the beaver" promotion.

how does this demographic thing work, anyway? should i be happy that ig are
played on stations that are targeted toward a (probably) younger audience?
i guess that's good. the promotion is pretty offensive though.

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by all means, i agree with your sentiments. for the radio station to use
that ep as a way of very bad marketing is quite offensive as well as
unimaginative.

but the show itself was quite cute.

ryan

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> kristina said;

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hmmmmm...my philly setlist just says "cold beer and remote"--boring.  and
blair cunningham's instrument is just "the usual" followed by three ditto's
and an arrow down.

anyway, as previously said, emily's lyrics on cons haven't had all that much
praise except for philosophy of loss on the list.  in cold beer & ..., i
liked the sweet, schoolsy way she sang this part of the bridge:

'cause it's a long walk to the bus stop

and then i was puzzled by the rhymes and simple wordings of the rest of the
bridge:

it's a long wait for the turning clock
a two-tired car sitting up on the blocks
and things i put aside like that pile of rocks

i remember the long walks and long waits in my life for different things.
the 'two-tired car sitting up on the blocks' is such a seemingly hopeless
situation (we've all seen those along the highways.).

two-tired = too tired?
two = cold beer and remote control

it's an obvious analogy to the singer of the song.

the things i put aside like that pile of rocks

--dustbunnies on the things we procrastinate on--fulfilling dreams and
obligations, postponing life, or just putting away all the burdens people
carry for other people in a corner.

~~ oh, the picture on the ig cons t-shirt, could be "andy" with a nice,
girlish figure ;)

diane - who half-smiles, and half-cries nowadays.

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at 11:44 pm 11/15/1999 -0500, susan brill wrote:

>how does this demographic thing work, anyway? should i be happy that ig are
>played on stations that are targeted toward a (probably) younger audience?
>i guess that's good. the promotion is pretty offensive though.

i have no idea as to the demographics of that station (like i said, a
friend was the one who alerted me to it), but, well, my feelings are mixed
on the issue.

i'd be thoroughly ecstatic if ig was accessible to a younger audience, as
opposed to their "niche" audience.  but in this context . . . i don't know.


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at 08:53 pm 11/15/1999 -0800, diane wong wrote:

>i remember the long walks and long waits in my life for different things.
>the 'two-tired car sitting up on the blocks' is such a seemingly hopeless
>situation (we've all seen those along the highways.).
>
>two-tired = too tired?
>two = cold beer and remote control
>
>it's an obvious analogy to the singer of the song.

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wow, diane, thanks for that insight . . . i love that section of the song
but could never quite pinpoint exactly what it meant.

and you know, i'm sure there's a lot more complexity to emily's cons lyrics
than we've been discussing.  we've gone through pol and a little bit on
"soon be to nothing" now, but that's about it, isn't it?

so how about "andy?"  i really love the way the lyrics flow from one image
to another.
for instance,
"turning brushwood into blazes
turning summer grass into hay
turning sharply past the graveyard . . ."

looking at these lyrics again, it's sometimes really hard to tell where one
sentence ends and the next begins, and in fact it seems like it's
deliberately ambiguous.

what do y'all think?  (or is this head cold just making me think weird?)


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i don't know what people are talking about when they say the demographic for
ig is not younger people...most of the people i know who are into them are
between 17 and 35...and at almost every concert, there were quite a few
youngsters being loveably obnoxious.
vesper

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i say, welcome young and old.....i introduce anyone who will listen...

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the setlist from the amherst show reads "cold beer and a very hard
cross-word", and blair's part reads "lots of glittery drums". i didn't
realize that it was a running joke from show to show, it's really cute.

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in berkeley - the first night anyway..i don't remember what the second
night's said - i only glanced at it - but the first night it was cold beer
and a full house and blair's section said "picking my nose and crossing my
eyes" lol. these girls are silly :)

in regards to the kiss the beaver/spank the monkey:
<< i can see how some
people reading this probably think it's really cute and funny  >>
yuk. yuk.

in defense of boise, i drove there to see tori and had a great time in nampa
- which is right outside boise..the people at the idaho center were very nice
(except for the security inside the place) - so hopefully boise will be
better than the advertising the radio stations are doing...wish i could go....

lisa
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hey guys . . .

can y'all give me the dates for these setlists with the goofy names for
cbarc?  i'm putting 'em all up on a webpage . . .


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>can y'all give me the dates for these setlists with the goofy names for
>cbarc?  i'm putting 'em all up on a webpage . . .

amendment.
date, city, and venue, if you can.  thanks.  ;)


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ok folks. i had an interview a couple weeks ago with a local japanese
newspaper and i would love to read the article.

the only problem is, i can't read japanese! is there anyone on this list who
can and can perhaps translate it for me? i'd be forever grateful.

thanks,
ryan

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hey everyone..

i'm wondering if amyone would have a interest in gathering up all the known
copies of the setlists and kinda put them all together in a book.

i kinda think it would be cool to see it all in one place at one time.

or... are  copies of setlists considered "holy" and not an item used in group
projects?

r. moe alter
kathleen

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would anyone like to swap 2 friday tiks for 2 thursday tiks?  if anyone would, please let me know!

or, i suppose i could sell these and buy friday tiks.

amanda

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i think that the cellist is now caroline lavelle.  what did happen to
caroline dale?

melissa

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> > i wrote:
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> >  < how amazing
> > would it be for them to do  neil young's "down by the river"? you know
> > caroline dale would just blow the roof off of the joint with that cello
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> > hers!
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> i'm wondering if amyone would have a interest in
> gathering up all the known
> copies of the setlists and kinda put them all
> together in a book.

www.lifeblood.net has an ongoing setlist project...


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i thought i'd sold this, but it is available again.  one ticket for the dec
8th show at milwaukee riverside.  8th row.  price is $43.50 including
ticketbastard charges.  i'll spring for postage.  please email me if
interested.  thanks.
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date:         tue, 16 nov 1999 10:37:13 -0500
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on the patriot center (fairfax, va) setlist, it says "cold beer and
sasparilla".

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does anyone know the artist and the name of the song on the current =
timberland commercial?  it's a folk song.
some of the lyrics are:
i listen to the wind from the wings of my sould.  where i'll end up =
where i think only god really knows.  i let my music where my heart =
wants to go....

any help would be appreciated.

-jackie

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diane wong wrote:

> and then i was puzzled by the rhymes and simple wordings of the rest of the
> bridge:
>
> it's a long wait for the turning clock
> a two-tired car sitting up on the blocks
> and things i put aside like that pile of rocks

using a politically incorrect phrase to make my point...

doesn't the car and the rocks sound like the front yard of a very
unkempt white trash household?  that's what i'd always assumed it was
talking about...

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greetings from a relative newbie to the list.

anyone know if the gig in laramie on thursday is a benefit related to
matthew shepard at all? it's at the u. of wy.

any info appreciated ...

-brooke

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does anyone want a cassingle of no doubt's "just a girl"/"different people"
?

first person to reply gets it for a sase.

-tara

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hey everyone, i haven't seen mention of this one before...

can anyone make out what is being sung by the women in the background
of "ozilline" during the chorus?  i tried to figure is out during the
concert, i watched emily's lips even an no luck :)

thanks!

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>hmm i would think this would be more a matter or taste than who is
>objectively better, as from what i gather they are totally >different.

yes, indeed they are.  for clarification, i like rose's music more than the
butchies'.  however, i meant that the butchies' performance was better
overall, in the way they seemed to engage the audience, their energy &
enthusiasm, and their interaction with the girls during the encore.  for
example, "do you wanna touch" was an incredible, explosive musical
collaboration, as oposed to "or," which was just nice -- at those particular
shows.

>rose
>is an aquired taste for some, but after more listens its hard not to
>realize
>that she is quite brilliant.  her words are just more complex so people
>dont
>always get them on the first listen.

yes, if you'll remember, i raved about her when i posted my reactions to the
eureka show.

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ok, y'all are haping on radio stations as they are, i feel the need to put in
my two(hundred) cents.

first off, any station that would do a "kiss the beaver" promotion is either a
real strong rock station or a top 40 station. (i would guess it is the former)
here's a big suprise: the guys, and i do mean guys, that work at those places
are largely adolecent, immature, and raunchy. i couldn't tell you why that
personality come out in a hardcore rock station, but it is a big boys club and
that happens. these are also the kind of stations that have little or no
respect for ig, aka pansy dyke music. they honestly don't care about all of
your reasonable protests you have made in the name of the girls.

(btw, as an intern at that kind of station, you would never see me in a giant
furry suit. but i don't know about the rest of you, but i thought the monkey
bit was funny as hell. so i'm weird...)

and as for wfuv (susan), i'm an employee there. yes, they play lots of ig in
comparison to just about every other station in nyc. our sister station in
philly, wxpn, does the same thing. (i just moved from philly, too. wfuv is
better.) the reason we play music like that is becasue of our format. we are
geared towards grown ups, and dig deeper into albums then 'normal' ac
stations, which is perfect for the indigo girls albums, where the great music
is not solely in the released singles. our sound is unique in the ny area, and
we like it that way. as far as the beaver thing goes, i'll bet you a hundred
to one that someone there would come up with the idea, since wfuv is staffed
primarily with (male)college students. but we are a public station, and have
an extremely finiky audience. we cannot risk a stunt like that because we
might loose sponsors, and if people will call up and complain when we are too
tight and 'sound like commercial', can u imagine what would happen if we did
the monkey promotion?

i hope you could understand all my ramblings... if you have any questions,
ask.

shutting up now.
peace, pride and pickles
meredith

ps   i love south park.

kristina <andrade@az.com> wrote:
> my friend tells me that the radio station magic 93.1 in boise is having a
>contest to give away ig tickets.
>. . . i just find it on the offensive side that they're calling it the
>"magic carpet ride" and advertising it with a soundbite from south park.
>(cartman saying that he's licked a lot of carpet and doesn't feel like a
>lesbian yet.)  apparently they're advertising their melissa etheridge
>ticket giveaway the same way.

a radio station here gave away ig front row center tickets but in order to
be entered into the drawing you had to "kiss the beaver." ...some men called
in and complained that this contest discriminated against them so they sent
the intern out dressed in a monkey suit and you had to "spank the monkey"

i can see how some people reading this probably think it's really cute and
funny but i had to listen to their promos every day and it was done in very
poor taste. ..i _really_ doubt they would have run a contest like that for
someone like sarah mclachlan or tori amos. ...it wasn't respectful, to say the
least.

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at 10:37 am 11/16/1999 -0500, lane, tara e. wrote:

>on the patriot center (fairfax, va) setlist, it says "cold beer and
>sasparilla".

*grin*
thanks, guys.

the ones i've gotten so far are already up:
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keep 'em coming.  this is fun!  ;)


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hmmm...

thats what i always thought the song was about: the lament of lower-class,
blue collar workers, who "don't get no respect", and are forced to take solace
in life's little things becaue thats really all they have. i may be a fordham
university student, but i lived in cbnrc town for a long time....

peace pride and pickels
meredith (who is not nearly as rich as anyone else seems to think)


> it's a long wait for the turning clock
> a two-tired car sitting up on the blocks
> and things i put aside like that pile of rocks

doesn't the car and the rocks sound like the front yard of a very
unkempt white trash household?  that's what i'd always assumed it was
talking about...


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on tue, 16 nov 1999, meredith matthews wrote:

> i couldn't tell you why that personality come out in a hardcore rock
> station, but it is a big boys club and that happens. these are also the
> kind of stations that have little or no respect for ig, aka pansy dyke
> music.

   i don't understand.  i'm all about testosterone-poisoned rock -- but
how can anybody that actually "listens" to music call ig "pansy dyke
music"?  oh wait, i just answered my own question, didn't i?  :)

   darius

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from meredith:
> as far as the beaver thing goes, i'll bet you a hundred
>to one that someone there would come up with the idea, since wfuv is staffed
>primarily with (male)college students. but we are a public station, and have
>an extremely finiky audience. we cannot risk a stunt like that


primarily male college students at wfuv? i had no idea! i guess it makes
sense since it comes out of a university. thanks for that info - it's kinda
fun to know that - i sure never pictured it that way. (wfuv and wxpn really
are fabulous stations! must be a great place to work.)

about the age demographic thing - since most of my recent radio exposure to
ig has been through wfuv and wxpn (mostly adult audiences), i forgot that
there exist lots of stations out there (not here) that target college
audiences and play ig (hence the large number of 15 - 25 yr old fans, which
i agree make up a large part of the audience at ig shows). i think y'all
have pointed out stations in seattle and san francisco (?) for webcasts of
live interviews and they seem to have a different demographic and different
play lists than wfuv, for instance. so when i wondered whether stations
that would do a "beaver" promotion could possibly be the same stations that
would play ig in the first place, i was thinking more of the "boys club"
kinda stations that meredith described. age turns out to be part of it
around here, but that's incidental.

-sue

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thanks so much to all of you who have replied to my posting about my "coming
out" and the hardships that i am going through. i have never been so touched
or seen such heartfelt letters. your understanding and sharing of your
stories has been much appreciated. keep them coming!
much love and thanks,
michelle

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how do all of you people know what is on all of these set lists?...just
wondering.  thanks...:o)

carla

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some of us were fortunate enough to get copies after the show from sulli (is
that how u spell it?) and some maybe saw a copy from someone who got one.
maritsa


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ok this is only the beginning of the article and the person who sent it to me
didn't give a link...so if you can't find the story on the web, e-mail me and
i can forward it to you...
lisa

taliban publicly executes its first woman
copyright © 1999 associated press

by amir shah

kabul, afghanistan (november 16, 1999 9:07 a.m. est ) -

thousands of people watched as a woman, cowering beneath a pale blue
all-enveloping burqa, was shot and killed tuesday in the first public
execution
of a woman in kabul since the taliban religious army took power three years
ago.

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here's a url i found, i don't know if it's the same article of not, bu
it seems to be:

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/19991116/wl/afghanistan_woman_executed_2.html

jean


--- lisa r <lisa071573@aol.com> wrote:
> ok this is only the beginning of the article and the person who sent
> it to me
> didn't give a link...so if you can't find the story on the web,
> e-mail me and
> i can forward it to you...
> lisa
>
> taliban publicly executes its first woman
> copyright © 1999 associated press
>
> by amir shah
>
> kabul, afghanistan (november 16, 1999 9:07 a.m. est ) -
>
> thousands of people watched as a woman, cowering beneath a pale blue
> all-enveloping burqa, was shot and killed tuesday in the first public
> execution
> of a woman in kabul since the taliban religious army took power three
> years
> ago.
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er, yes. :)

sounds like my cousins


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>diane wong wrote:
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>> and then i was puzzled by the rhymes and simple wordings of the rest of the
>> bridge:
>>
>> it's a long wait for the turning clock
>> a two-tired car sitting up on the blocks
>> and things i put aside like that pile of rocks
>
>using a politically incorrect phrase to make my point...
>
>doesn't the car and the rocks sound like the front yard of a very
>unkempt white trash household?  that's what i'd always assumed it was
>talking about...
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hey folks, can anyone tell me what the logo on the blue baseball caps is??
i hadn't seen any discussion of it on here, but have never seen the symbol
before...

any ideas???

thanks in advance!!!

mark

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hi!  i was just sent this great article from the denver paper westword about
my friend jenna's band, sarina simoom.  their first real press!!!  looks like
they are doing really well, which is exciting.  i wont post the whole thing,
but here's a little bit and if you want to read the rest i put it on my web
page at

www.geocities.com/rainforest/andes/4006/sarinasimoom.html

"a onetime violinist for twilight motel, [jenna] herbst is simply a luminous
talent, a concise player whose elastic vocal style recalls kate bush, a more
melodic kristin hersh and the elusive sirens of all those greek myths.  and
though herbst occupied a large portion of the spotlight at last week's show,
the band's wisely understated, harmonic arrangements were a simple, sensual,
and sensory treat."

sarina simoom's next show will be on thursday, december 16th at the bluebird
in denver with worm trouble (don't know who they are, do you?).  and their
first cd may be out in february.   you can get on their mailing list at
www.onelist.com/community/sarinasimoom

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on tue, 16 nov 1999, larissa brown wrote:

> er, yes. :)
>
> sounds like my cousins
>
> >using a politically incorrect phrase to make my point...
> >
> >doesn't the car and the rocks sound like the front yard of a very
> >unkempt white trash household?  that's what i'd always assumed it was
> >talking about...
> >

well, i never thought of a "white trash" household myself but i'm a
little sensitive to that phrase. i think of people working hard, just
barely getting by, and too drained to think of anything. my dad
used to have a 50-something ford falcon in the garage that he always
wanted to fix up, but gave up on it after my parents got divorced and he
moved out on his own to a series of apartments, and finally a trailer in a
nice park in a nearby rural area. (how's that for a run-on!)

it would be interesting to see how people from different socioeconomic
backgrounds interpret it. oh, i miss sociology classes! :)  i'm
contemplating sending a copy of the song to a professor i had for three
classes in school to see what he thinks of it.

i have problems listening to this song after bad days at work.  sometimes
its a little too real and i wonder if i should do something to change
where i am at this point.  but that's another e-mail. ;)

"it's a long walk to the bus stop..."

kelly

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<<yes, if you'll remember, i raved about her when i posted my reactions to the
eureka show.>>

hey anna banana,

i didnt mean to sound obnoxious at all and you're right i wasnt paying close
attention to who posted that and what had been posted by you before.  i was
just trying to defend rose.  but clearly she does not need that here.  and i
can see how the butchies might be more fun than rose in that situation.  she
can be kinda low-key.

sorry......   jess

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hey everybody -

are any of you guys from atlanta and in your 30's?  my dear friend
michelle moved there a few months ago and said she just can't find any
regular people to be friends with.  let me know if you want to befriend
her and i'll give ya more info.  she's married with 2 kids, very hip,
loves ig, and is interested in getting into some meaningful grass roots
volunteer work.  thanks, and sorry for taking up space wtih this.

bonnie

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i think the whole song of cband rc is about getting to a certain age
(age 35 mid life crisis to be exact) and you start to wonder what in the
hell is it all about?  is this all life is?  is this all i am ever going
to be?  when did i become so complacent?  she uses the vehicle of white
trash images and being stuck in a dead end job, but many of the lyrics
apply to all sorts of life scenarios.  and with all these things
competing for our time, and so many household projects to deal with
(cars and piles of rocks), we lose the ability to be introspective, and
we crave nothing to do but sit and vegetate in front of the tv, cd
player, pc, whatever helps empty your mind.  yes, it's proof once again
of my long held theory that this cd is all about the age 35 life
crisis.  that watershed period of life when you really solidify just who
and what you are.

later y'all

bonnie

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from kelly:
> i think of people working hard, just
>barely getting by, and too drained to think of anything.

this is just what the song says to me. there is a reference to the person
having a more ambitious past, but things slipping by little by little. cold
beer and remote control (on the sofa with the stuffing out watching the tv
with the bent antenna - even that's too much to fix) is sort of like a drug
that gets this person through the day. all he or she wants is nothing to
do. and it isn't like i sort of feel right now (boy, i wish i had nothing
to do right now so i could go home and relax), it's forever. nothing ahead
but clock-watching, the same thing time after time, and more soothing beer
and blue haze, and things slowly falling apart all around.

wow - that's really depressing. i think lots of people go through this to
some extent now and then no matter their station in life. but when people
are really poor and barely getting by and they lose hope, it is really a
bad situation. this is the worst reality of what we think of as white trash.

gotta keep working toward something, though the couch keeps calling, luring
... -sue

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oh - and the two-tired car up on the blocks?

two tires insteada four
and sounds like
too tired

tripped me up for a while.
-sue
(did somebody already cover this?)

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x-cc:         april melancon <a.melancon@worldnet.att.net>

a friend of mine has booked sass jordan at compton's after dark
www.tcfb.com/comptons friday nov 19 at 8 pm.  my interest is primarily in
singer-songwriters and i am woefully ignorant of other genres.  can anyone
shed any light?  i understand they have an album that went double platinum,
and it's rare for them to play a small, intimate venue like compton's.

tim

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on tue, 16 nov 1999, bonnie lacey wrote:

> i think the whole song of cband rc is about getting to a certain age
> (age 35 mid life crisis to be exact) and you start to wonder what in the
> hell is it all about?  is this all life is?  is this all i am ever going
> to be?  when did i become so complacent?

wait, you mean that's not supposed to happen until your mid-30s? so, i
should wait another 15 years? jeez, i better go start living my life.

amy m.

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my apologies if this is a duplicate post.  i sent it this morning before
work and don't see it in my inbox.

a friend of mine has booked sass jordan at compton's after dark
www.tcfb.com/comptons friday nov 19 at 8 pm.  my interest is primarily in
singer-songwriters and i am woefully ignorant of other genres.  can anyone
shed any light?  i understand they have an album that went double platinum,
and it's rare for them to play a small, intimate venue like compton's.

tim

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anyone who wants to hear the south park sound bite about the "indeeglow
girls", email me privately and i can send it to you.

k.

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i really identify with the song and the statement below. i spent 18 years in
food service management working a job i hated, and little by little my world
narrowed because i was too tired and discouraged to do much else besides
watch tv, surf the net and feel depressed. when i turned 40 this feeling
became a kind of crisis and crosswords, so i chucked the job and went back
to school. i'm really broke now, but that awful feeling that emily writes
about in cbandrc is finally gone from my life.

it's a really hard cycle to break out of, though, because the cbandrc life
can get pretty comfortable after awhile. i still have a hard time believing
that i'm finally going to finish college after all these years.

-karen

> > i think of people working hard, just
> >barely getting by, and too drained to think of anything.

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subject:      house of blues cybercast;
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i just went to the house of blues site & found that the ig concert held =
at the hob (vegas) on 10/30 will be shown soon.

the site says sat., 11/28 @ 6pm pst (9pm est).

when you go to the drop down list, it indicates (probably with more =
accuracy), sunday., 11/28 (sat is 11/27).

set your "bat-alarms" everyone!

melissa

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<div><font size=3d2>the site says sat., 11/28 @ 6pm pst (9pm =
est).</font></div>
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(probably with=20
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<div><font size=3d2>set your "bat-alarms" everyone!</font></div>
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i was just wondering if anyone on the list is going to
the utah show.


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        reply to:   re>cold beer and remote control

<<doesn't the car and the rocks sound like the front yard of a very
unkempt white trash household?  that's what i'd always assumed it was
talking about...>>

that's what i always thought about that line too.  at first i was annoyed that she used that kind of image, thinking it was way too stereotypical, but now i see that it's in more of a sympathetic tone rather than just a spewing of all these stereotypes about beer and trashy front yards.  to me, it's kind of pointing out that people get stuck in life, and things fall apart, and cars break down, etc. because we're human, and not because we're "trash".  and it can happen to the best of us ("i guess it comes apart so little by little, and you don't know you're there 'til you're stuck in the middle").  that's just one of the many messages i get out of this song...
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leslie

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pullman=setlist  cold beer  + ma'amie.

the ma'amie part was handwritten onto emily's setlist in red marker.

blair's line says...my best ever   loveing, caring etc...

twelve awesome shows and sitting here wishing i was in boise.....waa

  mel

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folks, i gotta say the white trash concept never occured to me.  i just
thought it was about being caught up in life and not being able to get
to everything that needs to be done.  enjoying the simple things in
life.
dawn
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does anyone have any info about this show.  is it still on, where to get
tickets etc...this show is listed on pollstar for dec 3rd at the u of
wisconsin.  is it ga?  is it gonna happen??  help please.. thanks  mel

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alright, this was a random thing that occured to me in a post . . . .

when you abbreviate cold beer and remote control as "cb and rc" you get two
different things that i personally associate with my family in kentucky (and
they can be classified as many people's version of "white trash") . . . cb
radio and rc cola (my associations are both based on one of my uncles who is
a trucker).  i know this is reading waaaaaaaaay too much into it . . i just
found it interesting.

going to bed before i start reading into too many more things.

~tay

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hey,

how are ya doin?  what does the rest of your week and
weekend look like?  i would like to get together and
talk.  i want to discusses the apartment situation.  i
am sorry it took so long to get back to you.  i have
been overwhelmed lately.  and now i realized it is
time to seriouly look for a roommate.  so i'd like to
talk to you about it and see what happens.  ok so this
is the rest of my week. tonight no good, i have a
meeting and volleyball, tommorrow i am available after
5:30. friday i am booked.  the weekend i am flexible.
so let me know.  ok talk to ya soon, alice


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john bond...are you out there?  you signed up for the card exchange and the
email i sent to you was returned.  please let me know what i should do...
erin sue =)

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if you are not from the pittsburgh area no need to read on...

okay a little bird told me the melissa etheridge was performing for
"jingle something or other"...or something like that (w/paula cole maybe??
at metropol?). if you have any information (or if you know this is just a
rumor) please reply to me and not to the list...
thanks!

anya

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someone is trading me a recent ig interview for a copy of the 10/12 beacon
show.  i'm sorry, but i can't even remember your name and i don't think you
ever sent me your address.  could you please send me your address?  the
tape is ready to go and i'd like to get it in the mail today.  thanks.
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if anyone is interested in buying 2 general admission tickets for the thursday, dec. 16 show at the tabernacle in atlanta, please let me know.

amanda

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hey y'all,

does anyone have chords to any of melissa's new songs? specifically
looking for "breakdown", "angels would fall", or "beloved", but any would
do.

igc:
also, has anyone figured out any other cons chords besides gone again and
go?

reply privately please.

thanks,
amy m.

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hkf's,

haven't done much for my tour page in awhile - so i was wondering if you
could help me with some additional information.  basically, if anyone knows
of a particular venue's website, i would like to put a link to it on my
site.  this could help people out with directions, opening acts, and stuff
like that.  the (partial) list below is the venues that i don't have links
to right now.  any help would be much appreciated!!!  and keep those reviews
a comin'!!!

milwaukee, wi - riverside theatre
ypsilanti, mi - eastern michigan univ - pease auditorium
columbus, oh - columbus civic center
fort wayne, in - embassy theatre
dayton, oh - dayton memorial hall
louisville, ky - palace theatre

thanks!!!
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okay, guess who screwed up...

i was saving a post with one of those marvelous peoples' eaddy's who was
offering to send a copy of that mag to those who asked... silly me only just
realized it was the wrong post...

anyways, is anyone still offering to mail those mags? e-mail me pvtly, and we
can work something out maybe?

thanks muchly,
meredith

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sorry about the roommate email.  didn't realize i was
sending it to the list.  please forgive me.  alice

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> you
> sent it to the ig list.  thought i'd let you know.
> samantha
>
> --- alice jensen <alicejensen@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > hey,
> >
> > how are ya doin?  what does the rest of your week
> > and
> > weekend look like?  i would like to get together
> and
> > talk.  i want to discusses the apartment
> situation.
> > i
> > am sorry it took so long to get back to you.  i
> have
> > been overwhelmed lately.  and now i realized it is
> > time to seriouly look for a roommate.  so i'd like
> > to
> > talk to you about it and see what happens.  ok so
> > this
> > is the rest of my week. tonight no good, i have a
> > meeting and volleyball, tommorrow i am available
> > after
> > 5:30. friday i am booked.  the weekend i am
> > flexible.
> > so let me know.  ok talk to ya soon, alice
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hey folks, i thought we were of the mind and spirit to not use degrading stereotypes on this list.......

i have a thousand reasons (okay, maybe ten) of why the phrase "white trash" is one of those limiting, divisive terms that only serves to alienate and segregate inevitably leading to hatred, fear and distrust....

i could seriously keep going and talk about governments and the people they rule over and how it's easier to maintain control when people are divided and hate and fear each other....but i won't....

peace, and stop using that phrase!!!

kara.

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re:  "white trash"

i was just informed that its not "prejudice" if it's your "own" people....

come on folks...get real.

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would you ever tell an african american not to use the n word in reference to
him/herself? unfortunately some people are not as sophisticated as others...we
should accept that as one of the many things that makes life on this
godforsaken rock interesting.

kara runge wrote:

> re:  "white trash"
>
> i was just informed that its not "prejudice" if it's your "own" people....
>
> come on folks...get real.
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okay we can drop the argument after this is people want to but i just gotta say... i love my family and i don't love us any less because we are "white
trash"... whatever you want to call us, we come from rural places, we're white, and we haven't been on the rich folks side of the fence...

i think it's okay to "reclaim" terms when they describe you. i mean, i would be offended if someone outside my family used that term in a negatie way to
describe us, but... i don;t think people have any right to tell people what erms you can or can't use to descruibe yourself. the best way i've found to take
the sting out of the offensive terms people have used against me and my friends or family is to reclaim them. on the other hand, i can see how that might be
inappropriate on a list like this where we really don;'t know eachother

ok

enough blather

just my nickel worth o rant...


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>hey folks, i thought we were of the mind and spirit to not use degrading stereotypes on this list.......
>
>i have a thousand reasons (okay, maybe ten) of why the phrase "white trash" is one of those limiting, divisive terms that only serves to alienate and
segregate inevitably leading to hatred, fear and distrust....
>
>i could seriously keep going and talk about governments and the people they rule over and how it's easier to maintain control when people are divided and
hate and fear each other....but i won't....
>
>peace, and stop using that phrase!!!
>
>kara.
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kara,

well put.  you rock!

peace,
tim

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>i could seriously keep going and talk about governments and the people they
rule over and how it's easier to maintain control when people are divided
and hate and fear each other....but i won't....
>
>peace, and stop using that phrase!!!
>
>kara.

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kara runge wrote:
>
> re:  "white trash"
>
> i was just informed that its not "prejudice" if it's your "own" people....
>
> come on folks...get real.
>

well, this person is probably correct that it is not prejudice.  i don't
see it as prejudiced when the word(s) are used by the one's for whom
they were used against as hateful barbs.  some groups who've been
marginalized and singled out by language (among other things) take back
the very same denigrating language for their own use and by doing so,
empower themselves.  turn what was perceived as a bad thing into a good
thing.  i don't have time to go into it - but look at some examples -
african americans refer to themselves as "nigger", lesbians/gay men
refer to themselves as "dyke, queer" etc.  women refer to themselves and
other women as "chicks, chycks" or some variation of that word . . .
seems to me this has been discussed at one time in the past.

but if you referred to some of these groups by the same words that they
use so freely, but you used it with the intent to harm, denigrate and
other wise humiliate, it is prejudice and hate.  as kara says, don't do
it!

elaine

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before i get flamed for being a racist:

i certainly didn't intend to imply that anyone is any better than anyone else
because of their race. on the contrary, i believe that any cross section of
society will reveal clear differences, one of them being levels of sophistication.

barb parrish wrote:

> would you ever tell an african american not to use the n word in reference to
> him/herself? unfortunately some people are not as sophisticated as others...we
> should accept that as one of the many things that makes life on this
> godforsaken rock interesting.
>
> kara runge wrote:
>
> > re:  "white trash"
> >
> > i was just informed that its not "prejudice" if it's your "own" people....
> >
> > come on folks...get real.
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oh my ~ i don't see your comment as racially motivated or socially unjust at all.  in fact, i agree with you.  this is just another classic example of semantics gone awry..."words don't have meanings, people do."  perception, it's a beautiful thing ~ keeps us from stagnating in a vanilla-flavored world.  vicki

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i agree with everyone here- we shouldn't use the term, and those that do
"reclaim" it should do so if that makes them feel better.
as for myself, i used to joke about being white trash. but there is a part
of me that has grown away from that.

i lived in a very poor community, my family is not anywhere near middle
class except for me now (only from working very hard for it), we farmed,
raised cows, chickens, and would sell them for slaughter, my parents were
contractors and my babysitter was usually whoever was pouring concrete that
day.  i always had a smudge of grease or dirt on my skin somewhere, and a
farmer's tan and i was proud of it.  ozilline and cb&rc both conjure up
happy memories of my childhood.  i know how hard my parents and family
worked to allow me the opportunity to succeed.  i am grateful for that.  my
growing up experience was only made difficult by those around me who would
put me down and that only happened when i moved to the city.  in the
country, nearly everyone works hard.  i grew up in hicksville and those were
the people that i considered family because we were all blue collar hard
workin' americuns.  (accent and texas drawl included).  my family had those
two tired cars sitting up on the blocks and piles of rock and dirt outside
and dust and grease and fried chicken and dumplings and grits and pecan pie
and everything that anyone outside our community would make fun of.  but ya
know what:  i loved it!  i still like it.  it is not sad, or something to be
ashamed of to me.  it is where i originated and where i will move on from,
and it is home.

as for those who put me down, i just stared at them like they were freaks.
they could not possibly understand the joy in my house in rural texas
because they had never been exposed to that.  they could not comprehend what
it meant to slave all day for nothing and find a little bit of peace in
front of your tv with your kids playing on the green and gold patchwork
carpet in front of you with a beer in your hand and the smoke from a lit
cigarette pillowing up from the standing ashtray next to your cracked brown
leather lazyboy that you inherited from the johnsons down the street after
they moved to the city when the factory closed.  they could not comprehend
that even though from the outside it looked pitiful, it was at least a roof
over our heads and a warm place to sleep in the winter and it was paid for
with my family's sweat.  those kids that poked fun and teased and tormented
me i pitied because they had everything handed to them and i knew that i had
worked for all i got and at least i would be able to survive in the real
world.

nuff said
thanks y'all
nancy

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i think many of you are confused about what white
trash is.  white trash isn't necessarily poor, rural,
or southern, though many people characterized as white
trash are poor, rural and/or southern.  i'd say most
are poorly educated as well.

white trash has more to do with way of life, personal
habits and behavior than with economic status (i.e.,
no class, poor manners, ignorant, etc.)  granted, many
people are like this because they are impoverished,
live way out in the boondocks (or in appalachia, where
lack of infrastructure is a barrier), and are poorly
educated.  some people also refer to white trash folks
as rednecks, though i know quite a few rednecks who
make good money and have at least a high school
education.

having observed enough of it, white trash, imho, are
trashy people who have no class, no manners, act like
idiots, even dump crap in their front yard (or on
their front porch)... not poor rural folk or poor
working class people.  i mean, i saw some
well-dressed, middle-class looking people act
like total white trash at k-mart awhile back, so it's
not just poor folks...

my $.002 :o)

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exactly and thank you. americans in general have this attitude like "if you're not like me then you're doing something wrong" and then go about  waving the flag of free choice/speech et al. demanding that the right to be different is not tampered with. then they get even more kooky and say things like "you
shouldn't refer to yourself in that way". well you know what? i may never say that about myself or my family, but piss off for telling me not to.

vickistein@aol.com wrote:

> oh my ~ i don't see your comment as racially motivated or socially unjust at all.  in fact, i agree with you.  this is just another classic example of semantics gone awry..."words don't have meanings, people do."  perception, it's a beautiful thing ~ keeps us from stagnating in a vanilla-flavored world.  vicki

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in a message dated wed, 17 nov 1999  3:07:05 pm eastern standard time, joan morrison <morrison_joan@yahoo.com> writes:

>
> having observed enough of it, white trash, imho, are
> trashy people who have no class, no manners, act like
> idiots, even dump crap in their front yard (or on
> their front porch)... not poor rural folk or poor
> working class people.  i mean, i saw some
> well-dressed, middle-class looking people act
> like total white trash at k-mart awhile back, so it's
> not just poor folks...

well said.  i might, personally, add to that description "low level" manipulators ~ people who use you to their advantage as opposed to working toward their own version of the american dream.  in addition to every excellent description joan has offered.
peace.  vicki

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okay, so i know there were at least 2 people on this list who actually got
to do interviews with ig, because i sent questions - whatever happened with
them?  are y'all gonna post the interviews?

tara

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yea!  i know white trash when i see it.  hell, i have family members
who are white trash, but i'm not.  matter of fact my dad is white
trash.  yea, so what?  :)  just a descriptive term.  i am poor and
working class, but i consider white trash to be rude and socially
irresponsible.  ie:  most serial killers are white trash.  someone who
lives in a trailer in the country is not white trash.
dawn's .02.

>having observed enough of it, white trash, imho, are
> trashy people who have no class, no manners, act like
> idiots, even dump crap in their front yard (or on
> their front porch)... not poor rural folk or poor
> working class people.  i mean, i saw some
> well-dressed, middle-class looking people act
> like total white trash at k-mart awhile back, so it's> not just poor folks...
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this has been an interesting nigc discussion... i think i have come to a
few conclusions that work for me (then i'll stop so as not to run up my
nigc tab) -

-i prefer to think that emily's cold beer person is not white trash by any
of our list definitions. the is just a person who is in a terrible rut, is
barely getting by on a couple of bucks an hour, and has lost the will to
change things.

-i'm uncomfortable with the (wt) term because it is a negative stereotype
and i don't want to contribute to the harm that its usage could cause, but
i can see the point about taking ownership of it. there's plenty of
precedent for that - another interesting nigc discussion topic.

-the term seems to mean various things, so its usage could be undesireable
even for someone who would like to take ownership of it.  a person from a
nice, loving, considerate, happy rural family who happens to have cars on
blocks in their yard might describe their family as white trash to another
person who decides their family must be rude, horrible, and manipulative,
but not necessarily poor, or uneducated and poor, or just two-tired and
having lost hope, sitting in front of the tv with a beer just to get
through another day...

that's all from me. thanks for all the observations.
-sue

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okay i think some of yall are missing the point. stereotypes are mean and i
dont think anyone should shoule use such harmful words to describe anyone.
and the email form i forget who about white trash being people who have
trash or whatever dumped in their yard, well any met someone with all of his
things in his front yard and she didnt call him wt she called him chicken
man. do yall think amy and emily would be so cruel and call someone wt. i
dont think so.  and even if you consider youself wt i dont think you should
call youself that because its putting yourself down even if you dont know
it. i dont think an african american calls themselves the n word. they know
they are an african american and they came from god just like everyone else
even your so callled wt people. so i think we should all be nice and not
call anyone that or any mean words.
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>yea!  i know white trash when i see it.  hell, i have family members
>who are white trash, but i'm not.  matter of fact my dad is white
>trash.  yea, so what?  :)  just a descriptive term.  i am poor and
>working class, but i consider white trash to be rude and socially
>irresponsible.  ie:  most serial killers are white trash.  someone who
>lives in a trailer in the country is not white trash.
>dawn's .02.
>
> >having observed enough of it, white trash, imho, are
> > trashy people who have no class, no manners, act like
> > idiots, even dump crap in their front yard (or on
> > their front porch)... not poor rural folk or poor
> > working class people.  i mean, i saw some
> > well-dressed, middle-class looking people act
> > like total white trash at k-mart awhile back, so it's> not just poor
>folks...
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actually, i work in the public school system, and i hear black children call
each other "nigga" all the time - i asked a young man once why he does that,
and he says that it is a term which is used for one's friends, as in "that's
my nigga"... other interchangeable terms are "dog" and "bro" which is
pronounced "brah".  these children have taken a term used in the pejorative
and made it a positive cultural statement.  the same way, as someone else
pointed out, as gay/lesbian people use the words dyke, queer, etc.  the same
way many people - myself included - self-identify as rednecks or as white
trash.  it's not putting yourself down - it's bringing yourself up.

~~jennifer
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>okay i think some of yall are missing the point. stereotypes are mean and i
>dont think anyone should shoule use such harmful words to describe anyone.
>and the email form i forget who about white trash being people who have
>trash or whatever dumped in their yard, well any met someone with all of
his
>things in his front yard and she didnt call him wt she called him chicken
>man. do yall think amy and emily would be so cruel and call someone wt. i
>dont think so.  and even if you consider youself wt i dont think you should
>call youself that because its putting yourself down even if you dont know
>it. i dont think an african american calls themselves the n word. they know
>they are an african american and they came from god just like everyone else
>even your so callled wt people. so i think we should all be nice and not
>call anyone that or any mean words.
>maritsa
>
>
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>>yea!  i know white trash when i see it.  hell, i have family members
>>who are white trash, but i'm not.  matter of fact my dad is white
>>trash.  yea, so what?  :)  just a descriptive term.  i am poor and
>>working class, but i consider white trash to be rude and socially
>>irresponsible.  ie:  most serial killers are white trash.  someone who
>>lives in a trailer in the country is not white trash.
>>dawn's .02.
>>
>> >having observed enough of it, white trash, imho, are
>> > trashy people who have no class, no manners, act like
>> > idiots, even dump crap in their front yard (or on
>> > their front porch)... not poor rural folk or poor
>> > working class people.  i mean, i saw some
>> > well-dressed, middle-class looking people act
>> > like total white trash at k-mart awhile back, so it's> not just poor
>>folks...
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        reply to:   re>(igc) white trash

<<i prefer to think that emily's cold beer person is not white trash by any
of our list definitions. the is just a person who is in a terrible rut, is
barely getting by on a couple of bucks an hour, and has lost the will to
change things.>>

couldn't we say that about anybody who we might call "white trash"?  that's what's cool about this song--it shows us the perspective of someone who we might otherwise look down upon for having crap in the front yard and no ambition to do anything but drink beer in front of the tv.  it puts us in their shoes for about 5 minutes and makes us not so quick to judge.  and of course that message can be applied to anybody we'd pass judgements on for whatever reason.

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hey people. ok, i've been reading the "white trash" posts, and i have this to
say.  regardless of whether the term is racist or prejudiced, whether it's ok
to reclaim it, or whether it's ok to use it to refer to someone else, i think
it's important to remember that some people might be offended by it's
flippant use.  now, i'm obviously not bothered by one woman stating that her
family could be considered to be "white trash."  but the resulting
date: sun, 12 dec 1999 20:43:06 +0000
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discussion, in which people tried to define and quantify this term "white
trash", was a little disturbing. are we forgetting that, in all of this
intellectually movitvated societal examining,  we are referring to a class of
people as "trash" ?
it's kind of disturbing, and it offends me.  i really don't like the term.

emily

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date:         wed, 17 nov 1999 16:47:39 -0800
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being the one who threw the phrase into the pot to begin with...

i'm endlessly amused by the furor that it caused.  i even prefaced it by
saying that i knew it's a charged term.  i think the point has finally
been made, however -- this song is about understanding that goes beneath
the stereotype.

i've lived what seems like 100 different lives in my 31 years, and some
of 'em have pretty heavily reflected this song.  one place i lived did
have a car up on blocks in the front yard, and a stack of bricks next to
some lines marked out, that was supposed to have been turned into a
brick fence several months before.  we had a couch on the front porch,
and used to sit there and drink beer and wave at the cars that drove
by.  and yes, most of our time off of work was taken up by getting drunk
and channel surfing.

now, granted, i didn't live there very long; the inertia of the
household soon overwhelmed me and i had to get on with my life.  and
while none of us living there really considered ourselves "white trash",
that's how we described the house we lived in to those unfamiliar with
the neighborhood, and they all found it, every time.

i really do think that leslie is correct here -- emily is trying to take
us into their heads a bit -- into the heads of me and my friends that
one summer.  personal inertia is a terrible thing, and if we can
understand a bit what's going on, perhaps we'll find more patience with
such people (and even such language!) in the future.

-graham

leslie holeman wrote:

> couldn't we say that about anybody who we might call "white trash"?  that's what's cool about this song--it shows us the perspective of someone who we might otherwise look down upon for having crap in the front yard and no ambition to do anything but drink beer in front of the tv.  it puts us in their shoes for about 5 minutes and makes us not so quick to judge.  and of course that message can be applied to anybody we'd pass judgements on for whatever reason.

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in a message dated 11/17/99 7:32:29 pm eastern standard time,
emistar919@aol.com writes:

<< are we forgetting that, in all of this
intellectually movitvated societal examining,  we are referring to a class of
people as "trash" ? >>

emily,

with all due respect, and your point about disliking the term is well taken,
i perceive that this is just simply our feeble attempt to somehow
(inadequately, at best) define a "state of presence" that some people exude.
i view it as an "attitude" more than i do as a "class" definition.

my own two cents on this ~ i agree with the earlier posts re: cb&rc about
stagnation and being in a bit of a rut.  i can personally attest that when i
have had bouts of feeling "stuck" i tend to get depressed and let things "go
~ the garden goes to hell, the grass isn't mowed, the basement looks like an
artifact of nuclear annihilation.  i wouldn't think of myself in terms of
"white trash," but i know some people who might drive by or come over and
assess the situation that way.  again, it's just a term, fraught with
misunderstanding and personal perception....

but i do understand your point, and i think it is kind and correct of you to
do your best in slaying the dragon of prejudice.

peace.  vicki

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date:         thu, 18 nov 1999 10:17:49 +0900
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i am really sorry to post this to the entire list.  but i can't remember if i e-mailed ryan blackhawke back privately, and now i lost the address.  anyway, i can probably help you translate the japanese newspaper article.  if you need help just contact me, kay?  sorry again for the nigc!

:-) karen

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date:         wed, 17 nov 1999 21:37:18 -0500
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hey...

don't think i've seen this yet:

emily's uet with vonda s. 'baby don't you break my heart slow' is on the new
ally mcbeal soundtrack cd...

and... in related news - you may or may not know that i'm updating and
revamping the list discgography. well, i've got a basic format and before i
go too much further i'd like an opinion or two on the readability (i know
links are broken, the frame needs resizing and images need compressing). but
any suggestions on how to make it more user-friendly'd be appreciated.

http://www.netreach.net/~andineil/indigo_girls/discography.html

(and, while you're surfin', go check out:
http://www.netreach.net/~andineil/neil.htm (my pages)
http://www.netreach.net/~andineil/igs/igsmain.htm (my igs pages)
http://www.palandtransfer.com (my latest project - if you're buying a
house...))

cheers guys...

neil
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hello everyone.  it's been a while.  i just have to share that i have tickets
to see ig in st. louis on 5th row.  it was weird.  there were only 3 of us
for ig tickets (and that is counting my gf and me).  my hopes fell fast when
the ticket man asked if i was aware that tickets for this show have already
been on sale in advance for fan club members.  i found that to be really
disheartening considering i am a fan club member and have been for several
years.  i must admit though, that it has been ages since i have received
anything at all from good old rc management.  but it would have been nice to
know.  but i perked up when i actually got good seats for the first time
ever.  every other time, ticket master has sold tickets for ig, but this time
it was metro tics.  could that be the difference?  anyway, i can't wait to
see the girls again.  does anyone know if it is the whole band or just a & e?
crossing my fingers for just the duo.  hope all you listees are alive and
well...and hello to those i haven't talked to in a while.

toye

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in the song "andy," which i must say is quickly growing on me, emily works
her magic w/ lyrics.  i'm talking specifically about the part where she says
"...turning brushwood into play toys, turning summer grass into hay, turning
sharply past the graveyard..."

emily has managed to weave the lyrics so that they unfold just the way
memories do.  at least this is my take on the song.  it sounds like she is
remembering some highschool friendship or romance.  her lyrics move and
unravel the way my memories do...they go from very general to very specific.
turning summer grass into hay is general, like watching seasons turn,
remembering a specific time of year, say the beginning of a school
year--early fall.  the memory goes from a general time of year to perhaps a
specific event that happened during that time of year--turning sharply past
the grave yard, a specific event and place, with specific people.  at least
that is the way my memories drift from one to the other when i let my mind
wander into the past.  any other thoughts?

toye

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i was so excited this weekend. i swear i was hearing indigo girls everywhere.
first i walked into fazollies after a really long day, and they were playing
peace tonight. i freaked out and my friends had no idea why. i told them all
to shut up so i could hear the song.
then i was listening to the radio and they played closer to fine. and again i
was happy=) as much of a hurry i was in, i had to stay to hear the rest of
the song.
see, here in indiana the girls don't get much radio play at all. so its a
very cool thing when i hear them and its not one of my cds playing. but ok,
sorry i just had to share.
~casey~

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now this is a thread i can quite happily go along with, in full throttle. <g>

at 10:17 pm 11/17/1999 -0500, ndgolover@aol.com wrote:

>in the song "andy," which i must say is quickly growing on me, emily works
>her magic w/ lyrics.  i'm talking specifically about the part where she says
>"...turning brushwood into play toys, turning summer grass into hay, turning
>sharply past the graveyard..."

hmm.  i thought it was "turning brushwood into blazes?"
i do love that lyrical progression, though.  "andy" started out as the song
that left the least impression on me out of all the tracks on cons, but it
slowly, steadily grew on me, and it's now one of my absolute favorites.

>emily has managed to weave the lyrics so that they unfold just the way
>memories do.

if you mean that slow, nonlinear, meandering unfolding of details, then
yeah, i agree.  it's not so much a logical narrative flow as it is a
sensory flow, a montage of images that work together to achieve an overall
effect.  interesting--that's a lyrical technique i tend to associate more
with amy than with emily, but em uses it quite nicely, and works such
poetic magic with it!  (emily fan?  who, me?)


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who are you to decide what is offensive or not? some people might consider
queer or dyke offensive but those are the terms i prefer when describing
myself. most of my friends are queer as well (even some of the str8 ones).

i consider terms such as "homosexual" or "lesbian" to be offensive. that, my
dear, is called an opinion. do i have the right to tell tara (for instance)
not to call herself a lesbian because *i* don't like the term? of course
not.

i say it isn't the word that is necessarily hurtful, but rather the context
of how the word is used. for instance, my rommate in college was black and
she'd call all her friends "nigger" and i knew it was a term of endearment.
however, i'd rightly get my ass kicked if i started using the term with
strangers.

ryan

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> okay i think some of yall are missing the point. stereotypes are
> mean and i
> dont think anyone should shoule use such harmful words to describe anyone.

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i think one of them -- kelly -- is just really busy.  be patient.  if she
doesn't post the details, i'll post her article when it's printed.

-anna

>okay, so i know there were at least 2 people on this list who actually got
>to do interviews with ig, because i sent questions - whatever happened with
>them?  are y'all gonna post the interviews?
>
>tara
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in a message dated 99-11-17 22:07:56 est, ndgolover@aol.com writes:

<< my hopes fell fast when
the ticket man asked if i was aware that tickets for this show have already
been on sale in advance for fan club members.  >>


hmmmm  what fan club?     did he mean tickets for melissa etheridge, her fan
club sells tixs.


indi

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hi to all and all of you!  nancinetters and indigo girls list!

i am so blessed!  i just saw a shooting star!  (well, that's what we call
them in this neck of the woods!)  i took my burly golden retriever out to do
his night work, and low and behold, gazing into the eastern sky, woooooshhhh!
it went zooming by, white glory from god!  it had a good tail...a full
second and a half or so.   the irony of it all is that, prior to leaving the
house, i was listening to the indigo girls "swamp ophelia," and emily was
singing "fare thee well, my bright star."   timing is everything, though i
wasn't really paying attention to the song.  more contrived, however, knowing
it is a ripe night for the leonid showers, i decided to listen to gustav
holst's "the planets" on my walkman when i took checkers (said retriever) out
for his romp.   (incidentally, our renowned symphony is performing holst this
weekend ~ i can't wait! ~ as well as stravinsky and barber, with the chorus.
coincidence, or should i call  sculley and mulder???)  the sky here, in grand
rapids, michigan, is clear and lovely, the air crisp and cool (in the low
40's or high 30's), and the stars are in full force.  the meteorite was a
gift, considering i live in the city, although it is relatively dark in the
parks surrounding my house.

nonetheless, it evokes memories of fogelberg's "stars" from his first album.
why does the name of that album escape me?  i was its siamese twin through
high school, and sang many of the songs, from "to the morning," to "wysteria"
to "stars."  a truly beautiful song, one of my favorites of all time (though
i probably left it off of my "list" ~ more evidence of my wild and crazy
youth catching up with my old self...).  my photographic memory is failing me
as i hit forty, and i don't like it all.

my wish on the star tonight..."peace on the planet, and peace to all of you."


i beckon you all to follow the stars tonight.

vicki

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hi:)

ok, a coupla weeks ago, i informed my teacher of my favorite band (guess
who), and he said i didn't know shit about music. i was too stunned to defend
myself, but he seemed to think it was strictly pop music, so i'm not sure he
knows what he's talking about. i found out that anything that is ever played
on the radio is pop to him, and we all know you can't just listen to indigo
girls' singles, right?

anyway, today he challenged me to change his mind. he'll bring me a tape,
since i explained to him that you can't just listen to one album to
understand their music.
so, the point of this post is to get suggestions for what to put on there...i
know he's into jazz and blues and he said that he likes good music-i think he
said something about not being repetitive you know, smart stuff (which
shouldn't be too hard to find)...so...any suggestions?

thanx, celeste:)

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in september, at the bumbershoot performance (seattle), amy announced that
caroline dale was leaving to play classical music, and added "she's been
slumming with us!".

melissa gordon wrote:
>
>  i think that the cellist is now caroline lavelle.  what did happen to
> caroline dale?
>
>  melissa
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hmmmmm...that's interesting.  man...i'd like to know what is up with that
too...i've been getting mailings from rcam since 1990 (oh how i miss those
hand-drawn newsletters we used to get!), and i've never heard of a preferred
seating thing for the girls...that would be kinda cool though.

mis

> in a message dated 99-11-17 22:07:56 est, ndgolover@aol.com writes:
>
>  << my hopes fell fast when
>   the ticket man asked if i was aware that tickets for this show have
already
>   been on sale in advance for fan club members.  >>
>
>
>  hmmmm  what fan club?     did he mean tickets for melissa etheridge, her
fan
>  club sells tixs.

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celeste wrote:
so, the point of this post is to get suggestions for what to put on there...i
know he's into jazz and blues and he said that he likes good music-i think he
said something about not being repetitive you know, smart stuff (which
shouldn't be too hard to find)...so...any suggestions?

oh goodie! i love doing things like this! *rubs hands together* i don't know
if it's the fact that it's 5:45am and i have no plan of sleeping yet, or maybe
the bottle of carrot juice i'm having for breakfast, but hold on to yer
over-priced concert hats, folks... meredith is putting together the ulitmate
setlist!

closer 2 fine
fugitive
peace tonight
crazy game
compromise
fare thee well
virginia woolf
kid fears
power of two
get out the map
romeo and juliette
hammer and a nail
this train revised
burn all the letters
sister
make it easier
galileo

okay, maybe it's a little long, but i think i have hit on just about
everything evenly. and i know someone is gonna think i'm totally wrong too, so
be it. post yer own in that case.

just trying to be helpful

peace pride and pickels,
meredith


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i think that a good party to decide if something is offensive is the party
the possibly offensive term is being directed at in at least some way.  as a
lesbian, i find words like "queer", "dyke", "faggot" really offensive. from
anyone. in any context. it wasn't long ago that people were called those
words as they were being kicked out of college and dragged away to a mental
institution. and things in this country aren't so gay friendly either. i
hear "that's so gay" (meaning "that's so stupid", interestingly enought when
you say "straight" that means "cool", gee i wonder where those expressions
came from.) ditto with "nigger".  from anyone.  hearing my black roommate
sing that word in a song made me sick. racism is alive and well in many
forms in this country.  i don't think we are anywhere near a place where we
can start "reclaiming" these terms.  we are only at a place where we can
demean ourselves with them whether conciously or subcounsiosly.

let the flames come (but privately),
julie :)

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on      wed, 17 nov 1999 19:38:15 -0800, ryan blackhawke wrote:

> who are you to decide what is offensive or not? some people might
consider
> queer or dyke offensive but those are the terms i prefer when describing
> myself. most of my friends are queer as well (even some of the str8
ones).
>
> i consider terms such as "homosexual" or "lesbian" to be offensive. that,
my
> dear, is called an opinion. do i have the right to tell tara (for
instance)
> not to call herself a lesbian because *i* don't like the term? of course
> not.
>
> i say it isn't the word that is necessarily hurtful, but rather the
context
> of how the word is used. for instance, my rommate in college was black
and
> she'd call all her friends "nigger" and i knew it was a term of
endearment.
> however, i'd rightly get my ass kicked if i started using the term with
> strangers.


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i like it, mer, i like it.... but can i add a couple?  the water is wide and
maybe a dylan cover from 1200c... tangled up in blue?

~~jennifer
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>celeste wrote:
>so, the point of this post is to get suggestions for what to put on
there...i
>know he's into jazz and blues and he said that he likes good music-i think
he
>said something about not being repetitive you know, smart stuff (which
>shouldn't be too hard to find)...so...any suggestions?
>
>oh goodie! i love doing things like this! *rubs hands together* i don't
know
>if it's the fact that it's 5:45am and i have no plan of sleeping yet, or
maybe
>the bottle of carrot juice i'm having for breakfast, but hold on to yer
>over-priced concert hats, folks... meredith is putting together the
ulitmate
>setlist!
>
>closer 2 fine
>fugitive
>peace tonight
>crazy game
>compromise
>fare thee well
>virginia woolf
>kid fears
>power of two
>get out the map
>romeo and juliette
>hammer and a nail
>this train revised
>burn all the letters
>sister
>make it easier
>galileo
>
>okay, maybe it's a little long, but i think i have hit on just about
>everything evenly. and i know someone is gonna think i'm totally wrong too,
so
>be it. post yer own in that case.
>
>just trying to be helpful
>
>peace pride and pickels,
>meredith
>
>
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in a message dated 11/18/99 5:56:16 am eastern standard time,
singeralto@usa.net writes:

<< closer 2 fine
fugitive
peace tonight
crazy game
compromise
fare thee well
virginia woolf
kid fears
power of two
get out the map
romeo and juliette
hammer and a nail
this train revised
burn all the letters
sister
make it easier
galileo

okay, maybe it's a little long, but i think i have hit on just about
everything evenly. and i know someone is gonna think i'm totally wrong too,
so
be it. post yer own in that case.

just trying to be helpful >>


hmmm... this would be a lovely setlist, but it's not gonna impress a jazz
fanatic.  she needs smart songs, with more than three chords preferably.
though we all love them, most amy songs, particularly early ones don't fit
that criteria.  go for complicated emily stuff... crazy game, everything in
its own time, virgina wolf, 10,000 wars, anything that sounds crunchy or like
it's in a weird tuneing.

my 2cents,
shana

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wow ! dan fogelberg...someone actually remembers him besides me! i had all
his albums in high school. i believe the one you are refering to is called
"twin sons of different mothers"
*grin*
lynne

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i won concert tickets to her on the radio today by being the 9th caller!  :)  i'm more excited about actually winning tickets on the radio than going to see her.  but she puts on a good show, so it should be fun - esp since it's free!  it's tomorrow!

amanda

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--- lynne brosch <timbre82@aol.com> wrote:
> wow ! dan fogelberg...someone actually remembers him besides me!


i love dan fogelberg......

dawn

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how great is this?  i went to sell something on ebay and was given this
notice for the first time.  whoo hoo!!!  this is great news for all
musicians who are losing out to the pirates.
attention sellers:
the following information is provided to help you avoid selling a prohibited
or potentially infringing music-related item. this information is provided
for all music listings and in no way implies anything about the listing you
are currently submitting.
*       ebay policy: copies of music on cd-r may not be listed on ebay,
unless you are the copyright owner of the music (and you state this in your
auction).
*       sales of any unauthorized copies of music, including live or bootleg
recordings, probably is a copyright infringement .
*       sales of movie trailers, "promotional" music and movie items may be
prohibited by the copyright owners.
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hello all,

for those of you who live in pennsylvania, please read on and please call gov.
ridge's office @ (717) 787-2500 and tell him to veto h.b. 115.  it will take
all of 15 minutes.

>
> state to ban same-sex benefits
>
> wednesday, november 17, 1999
> by john m.r. bull, post-gazette harrisburg correspondent
>
> harrisburg -- in a victory for the university of pittsburgh's
administration,
> the legislature yesterday rushed through a measure banning same-sex health
> benefits for employees of state-financed colleges and universities.
> the measure also exempts the colleges and universities from any local
> ordinance that requires the provision of same-sex benefits.
> the senate quietly passed the bill in an unscheduled vote yesterday
afternoon
> and slid it over to the house, which an hour later concurred in another
> unscheduled vote.
> "these guys trip over themselves to vote against gays and lesbians," fumed
> larry frankel, executive director of the american civil liberties union's
> state chapter.
> gov. ridge said he would sign the measure, which would take effect
> immediately.
> the measure appeared to pre-empt a legal challenge of pitt's refusal to
> provide health benefits to same-sex partners of its faculty and staff. the
> challenge had been brought under the city of pittsburgh's gay rights law,
> which bans discrimination based on sexual orientation.
> state law recognizes only heterosexual marriages.
> "the governor believes marriage is a heterosexual institution," said tim
> reeves, ridge's spokesman. "we see what's happening in pittsburgh as an
> [intrusion] ... on the institution of marriage. state employees don't get
> same-sex benefits."
> the aclu plans to fight the measure in court, frankel said.
> the issue originated when former pitt legal writing instructor deborah
henson
> and six other current and former employees filed a complaint with the
> pittsburgh commission on human relations under the city's gay rights law.
> they and their lawyers from the aclu alleged that the university illegally
> discriminated against them in denying them health insurance for their
> same-sex partners.
> in april 1997, the commission found there was probable cause that pitt had
> discriminated against henson.
> pitt yesterday hailed the legislature's action.
> "the university expects that this statute will put an end to the case,"
> spokesman ken service said in a press release. "this action by the
> legislature validates the legal position that the university has been
> advancing all along, namely that the pittsburgh ordinance could not be used
> to compel the university to extend health insurance coverage to same-sex
> domestic partners of employees."
> the legislation was rushed through an unprepared general assembly by
> republican leaders. it was unclear yesterday who crafted the measure. reeves
> said the governor had reviewed the wording ahead of time.
> the measure, house bill 115, was originally drafted to establish training
> requirements for chiefs of police. the bill was passed by the house several
> months ago and sent to the senate.
> yesterday, senate republican leaders allowed the bill to be gutted and new
> language inserted to ban same-sex benefits. the bill also shields the
> state-financed schools from any municipal ordinance that could force them to
> provide the benefits.
> the bill could also pre-empt portions of anti-discrimination laws in
> harrisburg, state college, lancaster, york, oxford and northampton county.
> "this issue is whether [pittsburgh] is mandating what the university could
> do," said stephen drachler, spokesman for house majority leader john perzel,
> r-philadelphia.
> the original bill's author, rep. thomas a. tangretti, d-greensburg, argued
> against the measure and took his name off the bill in protest. the bill was
> approved 140-58 in the house.
> "obviously, it's a deal someone is trying to negotiate for the university of
> pittsburgh," tangretti said. "i didn't particularly care for it."
> rep. dan frankel, d-squirrel hill, said yesterday's actions were an example
> of "stealth legislation" and sent an anti-gay-and-lesbian message.
> "it really says pennsylvania is behind the times and trying to legislate us
> back to the stone age," he said.
> told of the bill yesterday, pittsburgh city councilman jim ferlo, one of the
> authors of the city's gay rights law and a fierce pitt critic, called it
> "very distressing." he said he'd have to read the amendment before
commenting
> further.

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hello all,<br>
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for those of you who live in pennsylvania, please read on and please call
gov. ridge's office @ (717) 787-2500 and tell him to veto h.b. 115. 
it will take all of 15 minutes.<br>
<br>
<b><blockquote type=cite cite>state to ban same-sex benefits <br>
<br>
</b>wednesday, november 17, 1999 <br>
by john m.r. bull, post-gazette harrisburg correspondent <br>
<br>
harrisburg -- in a victory for the university of pittsburgh's
administration, the legislature yesterday rushed through a measure
banning same-sex health benefits for employees of state-financed colleges
and universities. <br>
the measure also exempts the colleges and universities from any local
ordinance that requires the provision of same-sex benefits. <br>
the senate quietly passed the bill in an unscheduled vote yesterday
afternoon and slid it over to the house, which an hour later concurred in
another unscheduled vote. <br>
"these guys trip over themselves to vote against gays and
lesbians," fumed larry frankel, executive director of the american
civil liberties union's state chapter. <br>
gov. ridge said he would sign the measure, which would take effect
immediately. <br>
the measure appeared to pre-empt a legal challenge of pitt's refusal to
provide health benefits to same-sex partners of its faculty and staff.
the challenge had been brought under the city of pittsburgh's gay rights
law, which bans discrimination based on sexual orientation. <br>
state law recognizes only heterosexual marriages. <br>
"the governor believes marriage is a heterosexual institution,"
said tim reeves, ridge's spokesman. "we see what's happening in
pittsburgh as an [intrusion] ... on the institution of marriage. state
employees don't get same-sex benefits." <br>
the aclu plans to fight the measure in court, frankel said. <br>
the issue originated when former pitt legal writing instructor deborah
henson and six other current and former employees filed a complaint with
the pittsburgh commission on human relations under the city's gay rights
law. <br>
they and their lawyers from the aclu alleged that the university
illegally discriminated against them in denying them health insurance for
their same-sex partners. <br>
in april 1997, the commission found there was probable cause that pitt
had discriminated against henson. <br>
pitt yesterday hailed the legislature's action. <br>
"the university expects that this statute will put an end to the
case," spokesman ken service said in a press release. "this
action by the legislature validates the legal position that the
university has been advancing all along, namely that the pittsburgh
ordinance could not be used to compel the university to extend health
insurance coverage to same-sex domestic partners of employees."
<br>
the legislation was rushed through an unprepared general assembly by
republican leaders. it was unclear yesterday who crafted the measure.
reeves said the governor had reviewed the wording ahead of time. <br>
the measure, house bill 115, was originally drafted to establish training
requirements for chiefs of police. the bill was passed by the house
several months ago and sent to the senate. <br>
yesterday, senate republican leaders allowed the bill to be gutted and
new language inserted to ban same-sex benefits. the bill also shields the
state-financed schools from any municipal ordinance that could force them
to provide the benefits. <br>
the bill could also pre-empt portions of anti-discrimination laws in
harrisburg, state college, lancaster, york, oxford and northampton
county. <br>
"this issue is whether [pittsburgh] is mandating what the university
could do," said stephen drachler, spokesman for house majority
leader john perzel, r-philadelphia. <br>
the original bill's author, rep. thomas a. tangretti, d-greensburg,
argued against the measure and took his name off the bill in protest. the
bill was approved 140-58 in the house. <br>
"obviously, it's a deal someone is trying to negotiate for the
university of pittsburgh," tangretti said. "i didn't
particularly care for it." <br>
rep. dan frankel, d-squirrel hill, said yesterday's actions were an
example of "stealth legislation" and sent an
anti-gay-and-lesbian message. <br>
"it really says pennsylvania is behind the times and trying to
legislate us back to the stone age," he said. <br>
told of the bill yesterday, pittsburgh city councilman jim ferlo, one of
the authors of the city's gay rights law and a fierce pitt critic, called
it "very distressing." he said he'd have to read the amendment
before commenting further. <br>
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god dammit this pisses me off.  one step forward, 15 steps back.  how in the
world does this intrude upon the 'institution of marriage'?  it's not like
they're taking benefits away from married people.  have you ever in your
lives seen anything that was so obviously over money?

i know i'm preaching to the choir here - but 'i'm in a hurry to get through
it' and i'm venting.

-tara

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i remember dan fogelberg too. i really liked his music. at my high school,
he was sorta the cool folkie alternative to john denver.

karen
(counting the gray hairs)

> wow ! dan fogelberg...someone actually remembers him besides me! i had all
> his albums in high school. i believe the one you are refering to is called
> "twin sons of different mothers"
> *grin*
> lynne

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i am a out lesbian in pa.  and i plan on taking as much action in this
as i possibly can.  this upsets me to know this is happening in the
state that i live in and call home.  wish me luck i have never been very
politically active before.  so this is new turf for me.ttyl
peace & love,
         carrie

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date:         thu, 18 nov 1999 08:20:59 -0800
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julie,

>>as a lesbian, i find words like "queer", "dyke", "faggot" really
offensive. from anyone. in any context. it wasn't long ago that people
were called those words as they were being kicked out of college and
dragged away to a mental institution. <<

you certainly have a right to feel that way.  however, i am also a
lesbian and i am living in san francisco where reclaiming those words
date: sun, 12 dec 1999 20:43:06 +0000
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to: underdog@earthlink.net

has become commonplace.  "queer" is used all the time in titles for
public social functions like gay concerts etc.  "dyke" is a perfectly
acceptable and often used word as well.  (i have a friend that rides
with "dykes on bikes" a women's motorcycle club).

in reclaiming these words we take the power out of them from the people
that would like to use them hatefully.  did you know, for example that
the pink triangle that many people wear is also reclaimed?  it was used
by hitler in wwii to mark homosexuals when they were taken to the
concentration camps (yes, we were persecuted along with the jews...).

i might mention though, just as an interesting thought, that i do *not*
hear the word "faggot" out of the mouths of any of my gay friends.
i've heard "fag" used occasionally, but the full word seems to still
have the power and the ugliness it always has.  i wonder why that is?

anyway, that's my 2 cents.  i certainly respect your feelings on the
subject.  i just think that there is empowerment in reclaiming words
adn symbols that were once used to hurt us.

thanks,

jean

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carrie knepp wrote:
>
> i am a out lesbian in pa.  and i plan on taking as much action in this
> as i possibly can.  this upsets me to know this is happening in the
> state that i live in and call home.

what happened?  what's this about?  sorry, i inadvertently deleted the
original email explaining the liegislation, or whatever is that's
happening in pa.  so, what is it this time?  more backlash against the
g&l community no doubt, but in what form?  i'd appreciate if somone
could fill me in.

elaine

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on thu, 18 nov 1999, carrie knepp wrote:

> i am a out lesbian in pa.  and i plan on taking as much action in this
> as i possibly can.  this upsets me to know this is happening in the
> state that i live in and call home.  wish me luck i have never been very
> politically active before.

   good luck to all of you -- it angers me to no end -- less that one can
deny marriage benefits to homosexual partners (although i'm all for...),
but that this was done in a quick and dirty way.  where was the endless
polling that politicians are so famous for?  where was the debate?  this
issue affects people's lives, so it's important.

   laws should not be made as reflexes.  that goes for everything, be it
gun control, gay marriage, etc.

   darius

"you can arm yourself, alarm yourself,
but there's nowhere you can run
'cause a man with a briefcase can steal more money
than any man with a gun..."
   - don henley, "gimme what you got"

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can someone repost this, i didn't get the original message.

i am a lesbian about to move to pa so i am very concerned about
whatever this is about.

thanks,

jean

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> carrie knepp wrote:
> >
> > i am a out lesbian in pa.  and i plan on taking as much action in
> this
> > as i possibly can.  this upsets me to know this is happening in the
> > state that i live in and call home.
>
> what happened?  what's this about?  sorry, i inadvertently deleted
> the
> original email explaining the liegislation, or whatever is that's
> happening in pa.  so, what is it this time?  more backlash against
> the
> g&l community no doubt, but in what form?  i'd appreciate if somone
> could fill me in.
>
> elaine
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here's the re-post...

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date: thu, 18 nov 1999 10:10:54 -0500
from: heather solimini <hxs171@psu.edu>
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hello all,

for those of you who live in pennsylvania, please read on and please call gov.
ridge's office @ (717) 787-2500 and tell him to veto h.b. 115.  it will take
all of 15 minutes.

>
> state to ban same-sex benefits
>
> wednesday, november 17, 1999
> by john m.r. bull, post-gazette harrisburg correspondent
>
> harrisburg -- in a victory for the university of pittsburgh's
administration,
> the legislature yesterday rushed through a measure banning same-sex health
> benefits for employees of state-financed colleges and universities.
> the measure also exempts the colleges and universities from any local
> ordinance that requires the provision of same-sex benefits.
> the senate quietly passed the bill in an unscheduled vote yesterday
afternoon
> and slid it over to the house, which an hour later concurred in another
> unscheduled vote.
> "these guys trip over themselves to vote against gays and lesbians," fumed
> larry frankel, executive director of the american civil liberties union's
> state chapter.
> gov. ridge said he would sign the measure, which would take effect
> immediately.
> the measure appeared to pre-empt a legal challenge of pitt's refusal to
> provide health benefits to same-sex partners of its faculty and staff. the
> challenge had been brought under the city of pittsburgh's gay rights law,
> which bans discrimination based on sexual orientation.
> state law recognizes only heterosexual marriages.
> "the governor believes marriage is a heterosexual institution," said tim
> reeves, ridge's spokesman. "we see what's happening in pittsburgh as an
> [intrusion] ... on the institution of marriage. state employees don't get
> same-sex benefits."
> the aclu plans to fight the measure in court, frankel said.
> the issue originated when former pitt legal writing instructor deborah
henson
> and six other current and former employees filed a complaint with the
> pittsburgh commission on human relations under the city's gay rights law.
> they and their lawyers from the aclu alleged that the university illegally
> discriminated against them in denying them health insurance for their
> same-sex partners.
> in april 1997, the commission found there was probable cause that pitt had
> discriminated against henson.
> pitt yesterday hailed the legislature's action.
> "the university expects that this statute will put an end to the case,"
> spokesman ken service said in a press release. "this action by the
> legislature validates the legal position that the university has been
> advancing all along, namely that the pittsburgh ordinance could not be used
> to compel the university to extend health insurance coverage to same-sex
> domestic partners of employees."
> the legislation was rushed through an unprepared general assembly by
> republican leaders. it was unclear yesterday who crafted the measure. reeves
> said the governor had reviewed the wording ahead of time.
> the measure, house bill 115, was originally drafted to establish training
> requirements for chiefs of police. the bill was passed by the house several
> months ago and sent to the senate.
> yesterday, senate republican leaders allowed the bill to be gutted and new
> language inserted to ban same-sex benefits. the bill also shields the
> state-financed schools from any municipal ordinance that could force them to
> provide the benefits.
> the bill could also pre-empt portions of anti-discrimination laws in
> harrisburg, state college, lancaster, york, oxford and northampton county.
> "this issue is whether [pittsburgh] is mandating what the university could
> do," said stephen drachler, spokesman for house majority leader john perzel,
> r-philadelphia.
> the original bill's author, rep. thomas a. tangretti, d-greensburg, argued
> against the measure and took his name off the bill in protest. the bill was
> approved 140-58 in the house.
> "obviously, it's a deal someone is trying to negotiate for the university of
> pittsburgh," tangretti said. "i didn't particularly care for it."
> rep. dan frankel, d-squirrel hill, said yesterday's actions were an example
> of "stealth legislation" and sent an anti-gay-and-lesbian message.
> "it really says pennsylvania is behind the times and trying to legislate us
> back to the stone age," he said.
> told of the bill yesterday, pittsburgh city councilman jim ferlo, one of the
> authors of the city's gay rights law and a fierce pitt critic, called it
> "very distressing." he said he'd have to read the amendment before
commenting
> further.

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these tracks were from his '73 debut (recorded in nashville and produced
by norbert putnam) titled "home free". a

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does anyone have the daemon site addy?
thanks in advance

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http://www.daemonrecords.com/
&
http://www.daemonunderground.com/index.html


8-)
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well, it had to happen -- the last of my three ig concerts for this tour
has finally come and gone.  thank goodness it was the boise show that i
went to last!  the lights were better than anywhere else i'd seen
them... the sound was superior to phoenix or portland...  the girls
mentioned in phoenix that they have a setlist they do for crowds where
they're not sure if they know ig material or not...  i'm guessing that
in boise, they did the set list where they feel they have to prove
themselves, because they were on fire!  there was a lot more energy at
this show than in portland, that's for certain, and with a lot fewer
sing-along numbers than they did in phoenix, the attention and focus of
the energy of the show was on the amazing musicianship of ig and their
band, rather than on the collective cult of ig.  michelle malone opened,
and was channelling janis joplin pretty hardcore by the end of her set.

here's the setlist:

go
trouble
chickenman (w/ mm on harmonica)
the wood song
ozilline
soon to be nothing
scooter boys (with the hottest guitar and cello solos i've
              ever heard for this song)
peace tonight
nashville (!!!)  (w/ mm)
ctf
shed your skin (!!!!!)  (this was, bar none, the best version
                of this song i've heard, out of seeing it
                performed at something like 6 shows.)
johnny rotten
cold beer and remote control
sister
least complicated
faye tucker
power of two
shame on you

encore:
airplane (which was much cuter than i thought it would be)
gone again
gallileo

after the show, i did get to hang out and finally got emily to sign my
cd -- she was quite cute, and seemed to be surprised that there were
groupies waiting by the bus in boise.  it's always a bit surreal being
one of the only men at an ig show, which wasn't true for the boise
concert at all -- it had the most pleasant mix of people in the crowd.
however, my friends and i were the only males waiting for autographs...

please, let there be someone out there who booted this show?  i'd love a
copy...

i think, for their next tour, i'm just going to make sure i have the
money and do the deadhead "follow the band" thing...  it's about time
the goheads became something a bit more proactive, i think...

-graham
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i'm a huge fogelberg fan... even though i'm only 20.  i was raised on
his stuff, as both my parents absolutely love his music (in the last 22
years, they have never missed any concert he had near where we lived)...
i have actually introduced a lot of my friends to him and made fans out
of them, too... =)

shannon

lynne brosch wrote:
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> wow ! dan fogelberg...someone actually remembers him besides me! i had all
> his albums in high school. i believe the one you are refering to is called
> "twin sons of different mothers"
> *grin*
> lynne
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i saw him at paolo soleri in santa fe.  he was pretty amazing.  just him on
stage - making music and magic under the stars.

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i'm a huge fogelberg fan... even though i'm only 20.  i was raised on
his stuff, as both my parents absolutely love his music (in the last 22
years, they have never missed any concert he had near where we lived)...
i have actually introduced a lot of my friends to him and made fans out
of them, too... =)

shannon

lynne brosch wrote:
>
> wow ! dan fogelberg...someone actually remembers him besides me! i had all
> his albums in high school. i believe the one you are refering to is called
> "twin sons of different mothers"
> *grin*
> lynne
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date:         thu, 18 nov 1999 13:29:11 est
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man o man o man,

as an out lesbian who just moved _away_ from pennsylvania(to nyc), now i hope
that the world finally understands why. pennsylvania is one of the most
concervative states in the nation, and not for the better. i truely wish i had
more time to be politcally outraged at this, but right now i can't becasue i
am preparing to go to ga and protest the school of the americas, which is a
hole other thing. if you would wish me luck on that, i'd appreciate it...

i am at a loss for words at this action the state of pa has taken, but i'm not
surprized. i feel deeply for the small 'community' in my home town, but i know
they will do little. and i also know that living in guiliani-town is not the
best alternitive, either, but i know i am never going back. "the city of
brotherly love", quite simply, is not.

am i too young to feel this powerless?
meredith

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                           pa is in the dark ages!!!
    i do have to defend the mayor of philadelphia, ed rendell, who pushed
through and ( i think) passed a bill that people employed by the city of
philadelphia are entitled to same-sex benefits. those more knowledgable,
please correct me if i'm wrong but i do believe that is true. even though i'm
a n.j. resident (i quit my philly job 2 days ago) i will sorely miss old ed.
he is a cool guy and did many great things for philly.
l.

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did they tell you it was set in stone?  or that you'd end up alone?  use
your years to psyche you out?  you're too old to care; you're too young
to count?  did they tell you you would come undone when you tried to
touch the sun?  undermine the underground:  you're too old to care,
you're too young to count...

go, go, go!

meredith matthews wrote:

> am i too young to feel this powerless?
> meredith

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btw...the person that corrected me on the album title is right. it is called
"home free" ...."captured angel" is another great album of his.
lynne

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hey all...

our beloved's are playing on 97.3 tomorrow afternoon.. i think it's at 12,
but my office has kbco's phone number blocked, so i can't check yet.

you denverite/visiting denver indigal/guys tomorrow.. who's going to be at
the concert? i'll be the red head in the faded burgundy thermal shirt from
the so tour. i won't get to the fillmore until about 4 though. work, work,
work.

and i guess the thrill of seeing ig tomorrow has kind of dulled the fact
that mr mullins will be opening, but i'm also excited about seeing him..
what a bonus!!!!!!

nigc- i got the cd from chevy from lilith yesterday. it's pretty yummy
the line up is
pretty lip- wild strawberries
0top, look, listen - morley
soul sister- cree summer
undo me- jennifer knapps
me behind the wheel- trish murphy
you could make a killing- aimee mann (who also co-wrote a song on william
topley's new cd, "spanish wells")
it hurt so bad- susan tedeschi
whatever it takes- sinead lohan
a charming spell- splashdown

see you all!!!

joanne

"nolite te bastardes carborundorum"
margaret atwood- the handmaid's tale
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at 10:05 pm 11/17/99 est, ndgolover@aol.com wrote:
> does anyone know if it is the whole band or just a & e?
> crossing my fingers for just the duo.

hey toye - congrats on your great seats!

i don't know absolutely about this show, but i'd say nearly for sure you're
gonna hear the whole band - but this band is amazing! i've been going to ig
shows for years and i do appreciate the duo performances, but these recent
concerts with this band have been the most exciting concerts i think i've
ever seen - just read graham's post about boise! his description started to
bring back the excitement of the shows i saw a month ago (thanks graham!).
you will be blown away by this band, especially in the 5th row.  and
especially if they play shed your skin with the band members jamming out on
the solos.

a&e know we love the duo stuff too, so they'll play at least two or three
songs by themselves during the set - don't worry!

have a great time! and be sure to tell us all about it so we can be part of
the virtual ig roadtrip.

-sue

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>am preparing to go to ga and protest the school of the americas,

by the way.... there was an informative article in the atlanta journal
sometime this week or last about the school of the americas.  it had info
about past/present dictators who were graduates, etc.  i'm pretty sure i
still have it.  if anyone is really interested i could make some copies and
mail them out.  email me privately and we can work something out.  or, maybe
you can find it on the web?

lisa

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heya.

1. music!
for the atlantans-- a show tonight, so come on out.

you already know about the fabulous sonia tetlow, right?
(if not, you better start asking around, or better yet, come to this show,
eh?)

thursday, nov. 18, the earl, east atlanta:
333333333333333333triple triple triple bill33333333333333333333
alice muson w/band * gentle readers * the sonia tetlow band headlines

not sure when the merriment starts, but stb take the stage @ 11:30.
sonia says they "promise to make it worth your while ;)."  uh-huh.

-------
2. gratuitous self-promotion verging on capitalism!
(how the heck is everybody? i feel so prodigal.)
for those of you who've ever asked (whether in jest or not):
why, yes, indeed, i do write.  like, for real.  (humor me, okay?)
actually, in about 4-6 weeks, i will have a
creative writing portfolio/ booklet thingie/ almost zine
for, um, sale.  it's an indie artsy
feel-the-bleeding-black-puppy-of-my-angst
(kidding)
kinda thing.
if anyone wants to see what else i write
(besides superfluous annoying posts to this list.)


oh.  and.  who lives in the seattle area?  heads up.  i might be showing up
on your doorstep, or at least in your time zone, very soon.

smooches and calendula deodorant
jill-in-limbo


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jilly c wrote:

> oh.  and.  who lives in the seattle area?  heads up.  i might be
>showing up on your doorstep, or at least in your time zone, very soon.


seattle people - if jill the nomad should knock on your door and dazzle
you with her presence, assuage her with jelly donuts.

elaine ;)

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hi! somebody mentioned the protest. . . who's going?
    i'm going for the first time.  and i get to miss 6th hour tomorrow. yay!


emily

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hey everyone!

a few months ago, i started collecting entries for the indigo girls
library, a website i'm working on that lists all the novels, short
stories and non-fiction books that have made reference to the indigo
girls or their music. so it's mostly up and running. check it out if you
get a chance, and please email me with any info i don't currently
have!!! there have to be more references out there!

also, i scanned in my photos from the signing at tower records in sf and
a pic from the chicago sst concert last year, so those are pretty cool.
there's also a bunch of personal stuff up there of varying levels of
interest, so if you look at that stuff, just don't make too much fun of
me, ok?

www.netuser.com/~aswenson

love,
amy

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hi. i know this is really annoying,but can somebody please tell me how to
unsubscribe?

thanks,
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hi guys

i'm on digest now so i hope this gets through ok

there will be an interview with sam harley from the bluehouse on
"gaywaves" 2nur fm (103.7 fm in newcastle listening area) from 10-11pm
aust est tonight (thursday)

for people other places in australia and the world you can listen to the
show online at http://www.newcastle.edu.au/cwis/ra/

the indigo content is that the us soccor team  suggested bluehouse to
ig as a support act for their aussie tour (the velvet janes and the waifs
were also mentioned but bluehouse was the only ones amy and emily
recognised)

you should also listen to the show because indigo girls and melissa songs
are often played.

joanna

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hey all--
well, the week's almost over and i've almost got everything covered...but i
wanted to give you some info about my interview since many of you have asked
me to boot it.  so, here's the news:  i'm giving it to a fabulous listee and
i think she's going to tree it to y'all :)  hopefully, this will happen
soon--i'll get back to you soon, or she will.  ok, that's it for now.

peace,
kelly

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hi folks,

there's been lots of interesting and sometimes heated posts about the
"white trash" issue...

however, it's time to take this particular discussion to private email.

thanks.

jen lucero
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the extremest group from kansas that protested at matthew shepard's funeral
will be holding a protest at the capital on monday november 22 at 7:30 am
because during gay pride week gov. rowland hung the rainbow flag outside the
capital for a week.  this is an article from the hartford advocate on this
issue.  if any of you are from ct you may want to attend.  they expect
violence, lets not let that happen.

flag flap
by
published 11/18/99
"repent or perish," is the message being sent to connecticut by the rev. fred
phelps and his topeka, kansas westboro baptist church. the anti-gay extremist
group, which is targeting hartford, attained national notoriety when it
demonstrated at matthew shepherd's funeral.
the advocate obtained a copy of a fax the church sent november 12 to what it
regarded as friendly religious media in the state, announcing a protest
scheduled for the state capitol november 22 at 7:30 a.m. in the fax phelps
condemns governor john rowland and sen. kevin sullivan for "flying the fag
flag over hartford."

the flag flying in question happened last march in conjunction with the
national gay rights equality begins at home campaign. the rainbow flag was
flown over the capitol for a week and led to the arrest of an anti-gay
protester. state policy has since been amended to allow only the flags of
other states or nations to be flown from the building.

the fax, heavily illustrated with crude pictures of "fags in hell," says the
group will "trample the fag flag underfoot and fly the connecticut state flag
upside down as a symbol of distress."

phelps, in a phone interview with the advocate, said his group will be ready
for trouble in hartford. "you always have to be ready for violence," he says.
"there are a lot of violent fags."

"we've done over 17,000 of these protests," phelps claimed. "the sodomite
agenda has taken over the whole northeast. we were just up in the miserable
state capital of vermont and were subjected to 300 wild screaming fag
beasts."

phelps says homosexuals are "filthy, lawless beasts and their vile sex
activities are likened unto dogs eating their vomit."

phelps says he'll be present at the hartford protest. "i'll there with bells
on," he laughed.

sullivan, who, like the governor's office, had not seen the fax until told of
it by the advocate, said it's "a measure of how deep hatred and fear is in
this country. i'll be thinking of matthew shepherd the day they protest."

"my response is one of outrage," says pura gomez, co-chair of the connecticut
coalition for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil rights.

"what phelps and his group preach is pure hatred. in connecticut, we embrace
diversity and naturally, part of that diversity includes gay, lesbian,
bisexual and transgender people. for phelps to invade our state seven months
later is outrageous."

gomez says her group will be talking about the november 22 protest and
"planning some sort of response."

the connecticut coalition for lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender civil
rights for can be reached at 225-7445. information about phelps and his
church can be viewed at their website .

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hey all,

i've don't have any ig songbooks, and i've been chacking out the
internet looking for the chords/fingering for romeo & juliet.  i even
checked a few dire straits sites <g>.  no luck.

anyone have these chords?  anyone know some good sites for ig music?

thanks!

jean


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at 08:23 pm 11/18/99 est, ( jen h.) wrote:
>capital for a week.  this is an article from the hartford advocate on this
>issue.  if any of you are from ct you may want to attend.


thanks for this. i'm glad to be on alert to do what i can. i didn't hear
about it until your mail. reading about that guy phelps makes me feel sick.

-s.

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hey all - i have a set list from 10/12/99 at the beacon in nyc. cold beer
is listed as "cold beer + the view" (refering to the tv show).

nothing else more fun than usual on this list - blair's column is empty :(

thought whoever's keeping track of the cold beer set notes might want this.

-sue

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this documentary is showing on kqed - can someone please please tape it on
(preferrably a sp speed vhs tape)- it's my b-day and i'll make it well worth
your while (email privately for a killer trade)
----

friday november 19 -- 11:00pm  -- channel 9 -- kqed tv s.f.
"from 1927 to 1972 the state-funded center approves the sterilization of
8,000 children
labeled 'defective.' "
http://www.kqed.org/tv/daily/991119.shtml
"lynchburg story  -- this program reveals the shocking history of the us's
eugenic sterilization program. by the 1930s, over half of the nation's
states enacted eugenic sterilization laws, giving them the right to forcibly
sterilize citizens they deemed "unfit" to reproduce. the documentary focuses
on one of the institutions where sterilization was carried out, and reveals
the close links between america's eugenic sterilization program and nazi
germany.  length: 51 minutes."
http://www.dmdav.org/newslook/lynch/preface.htm
in 1993 the discovery channel produced a television
documentary titled "the lynchburg story" which documented the sterilization
of the mentally disabled during the first 7 decades of this 20th century at
a facility operated by the state of virginia that was once known as the
lynchburg colony . . .

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thank you to all the people who gave me suggestions for my tape. i think i'll
have to make two:)

pax, celeste

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thank you so much to everyone that helped me through my little "i must
play romeo & juliet right now" moment ;)

i got three different versions, which is great because then i can pick
and chose what works for me.

thanks so much!

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at 09:38 pm 11/18/1999 -0500, susan brill wrote:

>hey all - i have a set list from 10/12/99 at the beacon in nyc. cold beer
>is listed as "cold beer + the view" (refering to the tv show).

coolsville.  thanks, sue . . . the list has been duly updated.  ;)


battle on,
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hi indigo people,

i used to subscribe to this wonderful list a couple of years ago, but had to
give it up due to time constraints (translation=i would never graduate).

anyway, i had the joy of attending both recent oregon shows....portland on
11/10 and eugene on 11/14.  it is my quest/hope that some insightful and
well prepared fellow ig fan booted these shows, or at least one of them.
please e-mail me if you know of any boots out there.  i've good ig material
to trade and would really appreciate the info.  if this question has already
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been posted and answered i apologize for the repeat...it took me a couple of
days to mobilize and get back on the list.

thanks in advance for any response to my query.

yours,
janine

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just wanted to let you know another interesting "cold beer" title off of a
setlist from umass amherst.  this one was "cold beer and a very hard
crossword" , for whoever is keeping track.

-kristin

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in a message dated 11/18/99 9:23:57 am eastern standard time,
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<< < > cast your vote for the platform
  > of the millennium march on washington for equality
  > april 30, 2000  .  washington, dc
  >
  > you can help make history!
  >
  > for the first time, every member of the gay, lesbian, bisexual,
  transgendered
  > communities -- and our families, friends and allies -- has the opportunity
  to
  > vote for the platform of the march on washington.
  >
  > the platform will determine which issues are featured at the march, and
  > copies of the platform will be delivered to all members of congress, all
  > presidential candidates and the media.  the march will address many
  issues;
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  >
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  >
  > take a moment to make your voice heard by casting your vote for the agenda
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  >
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  >
  > thanks for taking a couple of minutes to cast your vote -- and for making
  > your voice heard in the platform for the 4th national glbt march on
  > washington.
  >
  >
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  >
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  > ___  aids/hiv issues
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  > ___  glbt youth issues
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  >
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  __
  > yes  __no
  >
  > are you registered to vote?  __yes  __no
  >
  > would you be willing to visit your congressperson while attending the
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  > __yes  __no
  >
  >
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in a message dated 11/18/1999 8:50:36 am eastern standard time, hrearly
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<< > cast your vote for the platform
> of the millennium march on washington for equality
> april 30, 2000  .  washington, dc
>
> you can help make history!
>
> for the first time, every member of the gay, lesbian, bisexual,
transgendered
> communities -- and our families, friends and allies -- has the opportunity
to
> vote for the platform of the march on washington.
>
> the platform will determine which issues are featured at the march, and
> copies of the platform will be delivered to all members of congress, all
> presidential candidates and the media.  the march will address many
issues;
> we want to know your priorities so that we can focus on them.
>
> (note: the march's agenda will not be limited to five issues; however, by
> voting for only five issues, you will help us determine your top
priorities.)
>
> take a moment to make your voice heard by casting your vote for the agenda
of
> the march on washington. while all of the issues below are important to
the
> glbt communities, please vote for up to five of your top concerns.
>
> ballots must be completed in full to be counted, including name and
address.
> all information will remain confidential.
>
> there are three easy ways you can cast your ballot:
>
> 1.  cut-and-past the ballot below into another e-mail. fill in the
> information and e-mail your ballot to mmow2000@aol.com.
>
> 2.  not sure how to cut-and-paste? option #2 is to simply type your
responses
> into a return e-mail and send it to mmow2000@aol.com.
>
> 3.  here's a third alternative: print the ballot and either fax it or mail
> it. both the fax number and mailing address appear at below.
>
> thanks for taking a couple of minutes to cast your vote -- and for making
> your voice heard in the platform for the 4th national glbt march on
> washington.
>
>
> vote for up to five issues:
>
> ___  hate crimes legislation
> ___  right to marry
> ___  non-discrimination in employment
> ___  right to serve our country
> ___  lesbian health issues
> ___  aids/hiv issues
> ___  child custody and adoption rights ___  glbt aging issues
> ___  immigration rights
> ___  glbt youth issues
> ___  overturning anti-glbt laws
> ___  right to privacy/choice
> ___  glbt global issues
> ___  other: ________________________
>
>
> name _____________________________________
> e-mail address: ____________________________
> mailing address ____________________________
> city: ___________ state _______ zip: __________
>
> do you plan to attend the march on washington?   __yes  __no  __not sure
>
> are you willing to serve as a volunteer in your community for the march?
__
> yes  __no
>
> are you registered to vote?  __yes  __no
>
> would you be willing to visit your congressperson while attending the
march?
> __yes  __no
>
>
> i self-identify as:
> __lesbian     __gay male     __transgender     __bisexual     __straight
> __other
>
>
> e-mail ballots may be e-mailed to mmow2000@aol.com
>
> you may reproduce and distribute this ballot in your community. ballots
may
> be faxed to 818-893-1593 or mailed to:
>
> millennium march on washington
> platform ballot
> 15842 chase st.
> north hills, ca  91343
>
> (end)
> >>


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i'd like them too! =)

shannon

j9 wrote:
>
> hi indigo people,
>
> i used to subscribe to this wonderful list a couple of years ago, but had to
> give it up due to time constraints (translation=i would never graduate).
>
> anyway, i had the joy of attending both recent oregon shows....portland on
> 11/10 and eugene on 11/14.  it is my quest/hope that some insightful and
> well prepared fellow ig fan booted these shows, or at least one of them.
> please e-mail me if you know of any boots out there.  i've good ig material
> to trade and would really appreciate the info.  if this question has already
> been posted and answered i apologize for the repeat...it took me a couple of
> days to mobilize and get back on the list.
>
> thanks in advance for any response to my query.
>
> yours,
> janine
>
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i just recieved a photocopy of the eugene (11/14) setlist -- thanks,
bon! =)

anyway, cbarc is listed as cold beer + yuk, johnny rotten as johnny
rottentale, and blair's column says ping pong schming schmong.

silly, silly girls. =)

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hi folks,

another reminder...

do not send long nigc posts to the list.

instead, send a short message to the list explaining the material
content and ask for those interested to privately respond.

then send the information via private email to those who respond.

again...please do not post long nigc posts to the list.

thank you.

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date:         fri, 19 nov 1999 08:48:57 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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to: everyone whom i've contacted so far about the early recordings bootlegs
(ie - if i haven't given you the go-ahead, this message is not meant to do
that, please wait to send me a package if i haven't contacted you
personally):

if you have not sent your package yet, please please please steer clear of
imation discs - i've had several disc failures with these cdrs, and if it
weren't for some nice people sending me extras, i'd have to foot the bill
myself for all the disc failures.  also, please add an extra .33 stamp to
your return envelope - when i put in the artwork, it's making them run over
some.

that is all.  if you are reading this and thinking, "hey!  i missed that
offer, and i want early recordings too!" don't contact me yet.  when i'm
done with all the requests from my original post, i'll repost the offer for
anyone who missed it the first go 'round.

:)

tara

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date:         fri, 19 nov 1999 08:57:26 est
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yes, well <blush> y'all can call me *fab* for short <<kidding!!>>

i am offering kelly's interview to all list people...let me know if you want a copy.

jude :)

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date:         fri, 19 nov 1999 09:39:22 est
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hi everyone!

     i was wondering if anybody out there knew anything about this:  this
morning, one of my co-workers, knowing that i'm an ig fan, asked me if i had
seen the indigo girls feature on vh-1 last night, (well, actually, 2:30 in
the morning est, to be precise).  i hadn't heard anything about a new show on
the list, so i assumed she was referring to a spot they were repeating for
the millionth time, as they are prone to do, (like the lilith before they
were rock stars special or something).  but when she described it, it didn't
sound like anything i'd ever seen before.  she's not an ig listener, but she
said she watched the whole thing, (mostly because she was too tired to get up
and look for the remote, so she says), and said it was a full half-hour
feature on ig, documenting their carreer from the time they met in
gradeschool on.  is this a new show that no one on this list heard about
before it was aired?  i find that hard to believe...  maybe beth, (the girl i
work with), just _thought_ it seemed like a whole half-hour devoted to ig,
but it was really just the aforementioned _before_they_were_rock_stars
special, and she was going in and out of sleep or something...  i don't know,
but i'd kind of like to get to the bottom of this quickly. if it's a false
alarm, at least i can stop worrying about it... if this is a new show that
snuck past us, i want to know when it's on again so i can tape it!

     oh yeah, almost forgot...  one of the other reasons beth's description
of the show she saw last night didn't sound familiar, (besides the fact that
she claimed it was an entire half-hour long), was that it didn't just
document their past, but detailed all of the social causes they have been and
are presently involved in.  that doesn't seem to fit the description of any
vh-1 special i've yet seen.

      anybody know anything about this?

~lisa

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just a thought from my computer at work provoked by a nastygram from one of
my many supervisors.  ya know you're obsessed with ig when you have to
subscribe to this list twice (one at home & one and work) and have a yahoo
account and hotmail account and yodlee account to keep up with it all when
you are on the road. *grin* no i wouldn't be talking about myself her at all
*really cute grin* no really i'm not.  i say i'm not already!  well ok,
maybe a bit . . .

nancy
someone who watches a&e and wishes it would be all amy and emily all the
time (now that's quality television)

warning nigc nigc nigc nigc --rant--
to fill you in, the above person (supervisor) would be the sup who is also a
partner who the rest of the partners are trying to get rid of coz i only do
her job and mine and several other peoples for peanuts (and yes i am
quitting soon)
and she still has the nerve to tell me i don't work enough hours and do
enough tasks so i have been documenting all my time putting in exactly my 40
hours per week getting less done and i think i am making my point.  ya know
at 60 hours per week i sure as hell did get a lot more done and i still only
got paid for 40.  now i guess they all know i'm pissed and *he he he* i'm
the only one who knows how to run their *f*ing network and no they won't
find another person to do it especially not at their "high" salary rate of
$20k.  rotfl rotfl  guess they won't get rid of me yet.  or so i've been
told by my other sup. oh and then they have the nerve to offer me a
1/4million dollar stock option to buy out another partner they fired
--hello!!!!! if i had that kind of money i wouldn't be here slaving for you
people!!!!  the president and vp didn't even know my salary.  way to run a
company (and before i get flamed yes i have run one actually 3).  btw there
are only 20 employees total so the pres. and vp sign the checks (hmm do we
not read them before we sign them? makes me wonder.)
-- ok rant done--
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--- geckogrrlz@aol.com wrote:
>      i was wondering if anybody out there knew
> anything about this:  this
> morning, one of my co-workers, knowing that i'm an
> ig fan, asked me if i had
> seen the indigo girls feature on vh-1 last night,
> (well, actually, 2:30 in
> the morning est, to be precise).

i checked the rock on tv website and they didn't list
the girls as appearing on anything this week.  i
checked the listings for vh1 on thursday at 2:30 a.m.
est and it lists "before they were rock stars," but
not the episode with the girls.  the listings were
last updated wednesday, so vh1 could have made changes
to their programming.  i'd love to know what this show
was.  i wouldn't think they would premiere a new show
in the middle of the night, though!

peace!

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date:         fri, 19 nov 1999 12:25:31 est
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hey everyone,

can someone please tell me why every non-ig listener gets the chance to see
or hear about the ig's _before_  we (the loyal fans) get to see it?

just wondering...
kathleen


in a message dated 11/19/1999 7:00:37 pacific standard time,
geckogrrlz@aol.com writes:

<<  she's not an ig listener, but she
said she watched the whole thing, (mostly because she was too tired to get up
and look for the remote, so she says), and said it was a full half-hour
feature on ig, documenting their carreer from the time they met in
gradeschool on.  >>

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hey y'all,

amy, that's a cool site. i love the elizabeth wurtzel quote! (those of you
who don't know what i'm talking about, go check it out!) but, i
was...maybe bothered isn't the right word, but puzzled anyway about
candace gingrich's quotes.

> the reluctantly open lesbians who are the indigo girls, played an
> intense,
> all-acoustic show for almost two full hours. (too bad they, like many
> entertainers, don't seem fully ready to realize the power they have as
> role models to educate americans about gay issues.)

maybe it's just me, but i never really thought about the girls as being
"reluctantly open" or not fully ready to act as role models? anyone else?

amy m.

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this was just too funny to pass up.
  -----original message-----

  they're reporting in usa today that a united methodist pastor was
defrocked for officiating at the wedding of two men. i can not for the life
of me understand why so many people are so upset at the idea of gay
marriages. it's not as if the heterosexuals have been doing such a great job
as keepers of the flame. i mean, the heterosexuals could not have made a
bigger mess of the whole marriage thing if they had intentionally set out to
do so. in fact, it often occurs to me that it would be a very good idea to
just give the institution of marriage exclusively to the gay community for 6
or 8 years and let them refurbish it, like they do with rundown
neighborhoods. then, once they've fixed it all up and made it cute and
appealing again, we can have it back to defile and degrade.

  excerpt from slate's the breakfast table by merrill markoe

http://www.slate.com/code/breakfast/breakfast.asp?show=11/18/99&idmessage=40
28&idbio=129#4028

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logan was my third ig concert (if you count lilith fair as a concert, and i
really only count it as like half a concert).  it was, by far, my best
concert experience ever.  we had fourth row, center aisle seats!  the whole
concert is pretty much a blur to me now, but here's what i remember:

michelle malone was great.  i bought her cd ("i have a new cd out--on my own
damn label.  i brought 200 copies.  take them home with you.  give them good
homes.").  i've heard y'all talk about her for so long, but i had no idea
how awesome she really was (i told her as much when i saw her after the show
and she signed my cd--she was so adorable.  the moron girl next to me tried
to strike up a conversation with her by asking if she was related to the
indigo girls--as if the indigo girls are related to each other.  then she
told michelle she looked like emily when i'm pretty sure she meant amy.
anyway...).  emily helped her out on "strength for two" and they were both
out for the last couple of songs.  can anyone tell me which album of hers
has the song that says (basically) "all i can offer you is me"?

amy wore a black tank (tattoo visible), checkered-ish flared pants, and a
striped button-up shirt rolled up to the elbows and unbuttoned.  i am
drawing a blank on what emily had on, but she had the glitter on her eyes,
it was so cute.

blair rocks.  he lost a drumstick a couple of times, broke one at least once
that i saw, and his facial expressions were priceless.

i took my camera with telephoto lens and everything, but after michelle
played, security came and told me they would take my camera if i took any
more pictures because i didn't have a photo pass.  argh.

a woman tried to get on stage during the opening song and it took four or
five guys to hold her down.  she left in handcuffs.  it said in the paper
today she didn't have floor seats and she was intoxicated.

there were only about 12 rows on the floor.  when i camped out for tickets,
there was one group of girls that was buying tickets for their whole
sorority, and they were in a block a row or two behind us.  they all came
out in the aisle about halfway through the show and pushed their way up to
the front.  (amy:  "y'all are making a move!")  one of them who was at the
very front kept asking for galileo and emily kept saying, "yeah, we're going
to play that."  they all knew ctf, least complicated, and po2 as well, and
got really excited when they played them.

the crowd was small--it wasn't even close to sold out.  the paper said there
were 2,800 tickets sold.  about 2/3 of the possible seats were filled, and
the stadium's not that big.  emily joked, "we've never had a crowd this big
before!"

amy smiled a lot and shook her head in amazement that we knew so many of the
songs.

amy started laughing once and couldn't whistle.  very cute.

emily played "philosophy of loss," which was not on the set list.  i think
amy had to go to the bathroom, because she said something to emily and then
jetted out of there.  emily talked for quite a while, told us how she wrote
the song during a "bleak period" (at which point the girl in the front
yelled "galileo!"  emily was like, "no, not that one.") and something about
how she thought jesus taught we should love everyone and not leave anyone
out (big cheer from the crowd).

the both said that they "needed this concert," and they "never have crowds
this good" and several other comments to that effect.

after the encore, my friend and i slipped up to the front so we could get
set lists, and then a&e came out again for a second encore!!!  so we were in
the front for that, which was very cool.  they did chickenman; it was so
intense.  i did get emily's set list, i gave sulli my best puppy-dog eyes, i
couldn't believe she gave it to me, but maybe she distinguished the
difference between me and the sorority girls next to me.

blair's column has a bunch of lop-sided smiley faces in it.

everything was so intense.  it was amazing.  these girls rock!

the set list:

go
trouble
reunion (!!!!!!)
get out the map
compromise
andy
i don't wanna know
cold beer & snow (it was a gorgeous morning here in logan, and then it
rained, and then it snowed.  hehe).
scooter boys (they were on fire!)
closer to fine
ozilline (this song can really rock)
peace tonight
nashville (amy gave a schpeel about being in college, how it was a bad year
for nashville and acceptance, etc.)
least complicated
faye tucker (amazing!  amy did the evilest cackle and was so intense)
power of two
shame on you
(like i said, philosophy of loss was in there somewhere, but i can't
remember where, and it's not on the set list)

encore:
ghost (gorgeous)
gone again
galileo

second encore:
chickenman (i don't think mm knew all the words, so she just closed her eyes
with her mouth real close to the mike.  it was cute.  amy sang some words i
didn't know, i'm not sure if it was soc or not).

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in my women's history class, the professor pointed something out something
interesting that i was wondering if anybody knew anything more about.
she said that american women fighting for women's suffrage were referred
to as "suffragists", while british women were referred to as
"suffragettes" and that when someone referred to an american woman as a
suffragette, it was actually considered an insult. and she was very
adamant about instilling this point in us. now, perhaps grandma was
british and therefore a suffragette, i don't know. but does anyone else
know anything about this terminology?

amy m.

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date:         fri, 19 nov 1999 12:18:02 -0700
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ok, so maybe i'm a little too used to posting nigc or something, i guess
that last post was supposed to say igc. sorry.

amy m.

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sorry about that folks! didn't mean to have myself repeated.

ryan

-----original message-----
this was just too funny to pass up.

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hey--
is amy stoddard still on this list?  if so, please email me privately--i owe you big time.  if not, does anybody know how to contact her?
thanks,
leslie

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i find the comments candace made to be quite rude. they are hardly
"reluctantly open" unless she means anyone who supports more than "the gay
agenda" as being reluctant.

the girls don't make an issue of their sexuality. they is so much more to
them than "a coupla dykes with guitars." i can't stand it in this community
(the queer one) where you just aren't queer enough if you don't start
hopping up and down and support every queer org there is. i guess listing
ngltf as one of the resources in their cd isn't enough for her. forget all
the work they do to support human rights (something that hrc still hasn't
figured out how to do).

who the hell is candace to decide whether or not our girls are good enough
role models for the queer community? now if i remember correctly, she wasn't
so hip on all the limelight at first either.

ryan

> -----original message-----
> > the reluctantly open lesbians who are the indigo girls, played an
> > intense,
> > all-acoustic show for almost two full hours. (too bad they, like many
> > entertainers, don't seem fully ready to realize the power they have as
> > role models to educate americans about gay issues.)

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amy,

this is, in fact, correct.  only the british women were refferred to as
"suffragettes".  however, while this is technically correct,  today the
terms are (albeit mistakenly) interchangeable.  if "grandma" was
american, she should have been and "suffragist"  <g>.

jean

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> something
> interesting that i was wondering if anybody knew anything more about.
> she said that american women fighting for women's suffrage were
> referred
> to as "suffragists", while british women were referred to as
> "suffragettes" and that when someone referred to an american woman as
> a
> suffragette, it was actually considered an insult. and she was very
> adamant about instilling this point in us. now, perhaps grandma was
> british and therefore a suffragette, i don't know. but does anyone
> else
> know anything about this terminology?
>
> amy m.
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someone was asking about this phrase a few days ago.  my pal dena, who
is from atlanta, had this to say about the phrase "high in the holler"
when i asked her...

"a 'holler' is like a clearing or a small valley.  so it would more
probably be like up in the mountains.  tennessee has several small
burgs called "your southern name here" holler."

hth,

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i was just getting into my car and my radio is tuned into wxpn 88.1 fm,
harrisburg, and i hear the opening chords to an indigo girls' song, and
automatically think: "hey, it's peace tonight!!"  and then, immediately
after that thought passed, i said, "no, it's--it's--oh, it's 'we are
together'! on the radio!"  you can be sure i pumped up the volume and let
the windows down on this crisp autumn day as i drove through downtown at
around 1:25pm today.

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ok, so i'm watching dateline last night, and it was about women who escape
polygamous households, and this woman was talking about how hard it is to
leave and then she said something to the effect of 'this song really helped
me get through this', and i thought to myself, wouldn't it be cool if it was
an indigo girls song, and sure as shit it was!! i had to strain to hear it,
it was an amy song that i recognize, but can't put my finger on it. anyway, i
started to cry, out of sheer joy...the thought that some stranger was
completely helped through a very hard time by an ig song just moved me...i
love those girls, i really do. if anyone else saw this, do you know what song
it was? i'm gonna try to find out...i'll let you all know when i do.

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hey, has anyone noticed that "we are together" is the only song off the
new album that they haven't played on any of the setlists?  wonder why
that is?

jean (who is working on coming up with ig content these days... lol
<g>)

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> i was just getting into my car and my radio is tuned into wxpn 88.1
> fm,
> harrisburg, and i hear the opening chords to an indigo girls' song,
> and
> automatically think: "hey, it's peace tonight!!"  and then,
> immediately
> after that thought passed, i said, "no, it's--it's--oh, it's 'we are
> together'! on the radio!"  you can be sure i pumped up the volume and
> let
> the windows down on this crisp autumn day as i drove through downtown
> at
> around 1:25pm today.
>
> diane
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at 12:37 pm 11/19/99 -0800, jean moses wrote:
>hey, has anyone noticed that "we are together" is the only song off the
>new album that they haven't played on any of the setlists?  wonder why
>that is?

i was just in another room doing some work and thinking _exactly_ what you
wrote there!! i was going to listen to it again to see whether it's just a
more difficult one to do live, or whether it was way more an emily song
than an amy song, or ... what? no really good reason jumps out at me.

-s.

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my question is:  is the dog laughing hysterically because he's just so
thrilled to have caught up or because the rabbit is not what he thought
it would be and is crushed by the illusion?  cuz the latter seems
really sad.  probably why i prefer that theory!  morbid, i know....

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in a message dated 99-11-19 16:04:16 est, mcknazzy@aol.com writes:

<<
ok, so i'm watching dateline last night, and it was about women who escape
polygamous households, and this woman was talking about how hard it is to
leave and then she said something to the effect of 'this song really helped
me get through this', and i thought to myself, wouldn't it be cool if it was
an indigo girls song, and sure as shit it was!! i had to strain to hear it,
it was an amy song that i recognize, but can't put my finger on it. anyway, i
started to cry, out of sheer joy...the thought that some stranger was
completely helped through a very hard time by an ig song just moved me...i
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love those girls, i really do. if anyone else saw this, do you know what song
it was? i'm gonna try to find out...i'll let you all know when i do.

cindy
  >>


i think it was melissa etheridge's "silent legacy"


indi

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at 01:25 pm 11/19/1999 -0800, dawn manuel wrote:

>my question is:  is the dog laughing hysterically because he's just so
>thrilled to have caught up or because the rabbit is not what he thought
>it would be and is crushed by the illusion?  cuz the latter seems
>really sad.  probably why i prefer that theory!  morbid, i know....

given the context of the previous line ("we are together finally") i figure
that the dog is laughing hysterically out of joy at catching up.  maybe the
dog is laughing partly out of amusement?  i've got this odd thread of
thought running through my mind that . . . well, okay, try and follow me here.

dogs and rabbits probably don't tend to get along very well.  in fact, i
would tend to think that dogs like to hunt rabbits.
yet this particular dog and rabbit turn out *not* to have a hunter/prey
relationship going here, and rather, they seem to be hitting it off quite well.
heck, they're getting along more than well.  most people wouldn't expect
that to happen.
if i were a dog and i realized i was defying all standard expectations by
getting along with a rabbit, i'd be laughing hysterically too.

(can you tell the cold medicine is kicking in?)

hoo boy.  this is giving me a story idea . . .


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--- rhiannon silverflame <indigrrl@mail.gn1.net> wrote:
dogs and rabbits probably don't tend to get along very well.  in
fact, i would tend to think that dogs like to hunt rabbits.  yet this
particular dog and rabbit turn out *not* to have a hunter/prey
relationship going here, and rather, they seem to be hitting it off
quite well......
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

i followed...  here is why i came up with the second sad thing. forgive
me for not writing eloquently.  i feel very "cliff notes" today.
the dog catches up with this illusion of what he thought it was.  (in
races, not a real bunny).  he is so frustrated.   he's been following
this thing!  kicking butt trying to catch up, and presto! it's not even
real. how depressing is that?  so, you've wasted all this time and
energy, and all you can do is laugh due to your "fruitless chase".

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don't i feel like a big nincompoop!

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at 01:54 pm 11/19/1999 -0800, dawn manuel wrote:

>i followed...  here is why i came up with the second sad thing. forgive
>me for not writing eloquently.  i feel very "cliff notes" today.
>the dog catches up with this illusion of what he thought it was.  (in
>races, not a real bunny).  he is so frustrated.   he's been following
>this thing!  kicking butt trying to catch up, and presto! it's not even
>real. how depressing is that?  so, you've wasted all this time and
>energy, and all you can do is laugh due to your "fruitless chase".

hmm, yeah, i can see where you're going with that.  it occurred to me too.

but, with all due respect to your interpretation, mind if i expound on mine?
i've always seen the song as a story about love happening despite the odds
("winded by the fruitless chase, until i saw you face to face") after long
disillusionment.  to me, it's about someone who has gone through years of
blown relationships and has just become resigned to a life of loneliness;
someone who's decided that love is not for her, after all.  and then out of
nowhere, someone comes into her life ("the wind's to blame/it blew her to
anytown, usa and that's my middle name") and, unlikely as it may have
seemed at first, there's that relationship of a lifetime that's eluded her
all these years.  good cause to celebrate and laugh hysterically . . .

ooo, i made more sense this time.  i think.


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hey all,

like it or not, i will be moving to the philadelphia area in the spring
and, while i know phili is not the most gay-friendly area, i am looking
at least for an area where i can feel safe.

naturally, the ideal would be a lesbian community... anyone know of
any?  anyone live in pa?

email me privately.  thanks in advance,

jean


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thanks amy! :)

about the candace gingrich quote, the way i'm thinking about it is based
upon the time she must have wrote it - 4 or 5 years ago, at least.
certainly, the girls were less open then, at least as far as mainstream
media is concerned. i think that might have something to do with it.
granted, i've never seen them as reluctant about anything! especially
amy and her "i will not be complacent!" soc... just my two cents!

love,
amy

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> hey y'all,
>
> amy, that's a cool site. i love the elizabeth wurtzel quote! (those of you
> who don't know what i'm talking about, go check it out!) but, i
> was...maybe bothered isn't the right word, but puzzled anyway about
> candace gingrich's quotes.
>
> > the reluctantly open lesbians who are the indigo girls, played an
> > intense,
> > all-acoustic show for almost two full hours. (too bad they, like many
> > entertainers, don't seem fully ready to realize the power they have as
> > role models to educate americans about gay issues.)
>
> maybe it's just me, but i never really thought about the girls as being
> "reluctantly open" or not fully ready to act as role models? anyone else?
>
> amy m.

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i like your interpretation.   that's the really cool thing about music;
it can mean different things.  i think that your interpretation makes
more sense from the emily perspective.  i was just driving down the
highway, well kindof (rush hour), and i was listening to that and i
just wondered, "what if the dog were laughing over frustration"?  cuz i
can see both interpretations.
so, of course, i don't mind you expounding!  expound away!  that's what
this list is for, isn't it????
have a great weekend!
dawn

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> but, with all due respect to your interpretation, mind if i expound
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hey y'all i just downloaded an awesome live ig version of  mr youngs "rockin
in the free world" on napster does anybody know where that was live from?
anyone know anything 'bout that? just wonderin! it kicks some major patooty!
take care y'all!


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>>
hey, has anyone noticed that "we are together" is the only song off the new
album that they haven't played on any of the setlists?  wonder why that is?
>>

after the philly, pa, october 4 show at the tower theater (when i wore a
pink bunny suit and had a little stuffed animal dog with me, and makeup by
jilly c.), when emily signed my notebook, i asked her if it would be
possible to play "we are together" the next day.

she said, "we haven't learned that song yet!" :)

diane - who is wondering if anyone has started figuring out chords to other
songs on cons besides sister.

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 00:40:39 est
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i seem to recall that at the philly concert they said that the band didn't
know it yet.....  maybe they are just focusing on other older songs first?  i
would imagine that the band would need lots of practice for just about every
song cuz they are new....
(the other) jill

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 16:45:54 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

this strange review comes from drum media (a weekly free music
paper based here in sydney), november 9 1999...

-sherlyn

---begin article---
indigo girls - come on now social
epic/sony

here it is, the new indigo girls album that no doubt cartman
from south park has been looking forward to.  with its strange
green cover photo, come on now social finds the girls in fine
form.  in fact this is probably their best release for years,
incorporating their best styles and staying snugly within
their folk/pop/rock genre.

starting with a rocking track go, amy ray lets go with a
raunchy guitar and belting vocal.  the quieter one of the two,
emily sayers (sic), follows with a gorgeous mainstream tune,
soon to be nothing (sic), a simmering trip of emotions.  the
best track here, reminiscent of that fantastic first album,
is gone again, a countrified rollick with lyrics straight out
of the australian landscape.  from kakadu to kings cross we
get a look in without any ridiculous americanisms.  it's
actually a great song, better than our blundells and
kernighans who make it all sound so hick.

another highlight comes in on track nine, with the wonderfully
titled cold beer and remote control, a humorous track for some
reason reminding me of the replacements.  the indigo girls
have a huge following, particularly in the states, where their
themes are rooted.  the gay thing is obviously a big part of
their success, but they manage to not write any drivel or try
hard singles.  in fact all their albums seem to spring
straight out of their heart, each one remaining true to the
previous release.

come on now social is what you'd expect from the girls, but it
is a worthy addition to their catalogue.  having travelled and
toured for so long now, the indigo girls keep getting it right.
look out for the album cover, a picture of this crazy looking
kid with a pen knife and branch.  disturbing but suitable.

- sebastian skeet


=-= sherlyn koo - sherlyn@fl.net.au =-=-=-=-=-=-= [sydney, australia]
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  into the country of your heart..."    - karma county

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 00:51:56 est
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oh yeah, this review is disturbing, slanted too. at least he liked "gone
again."  i shudder to think what he would have written had australia not been
mentioned.  vicki

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 00:22:22 -0700
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on fri, 19 nov 1999, cindy marie wrote:

> don't i feel like a big nincompoop!
>

no, don't. i've often thought that there are some uncanny resemblances
between melissa and amy, both in voice and looks, especially if you look
at some of the earlier photos of melissa. it's odd. hmm...come to think of
it, have amy and melissa ever been seen in the same room together? i'm
talking real documented proof here too people, not just hearsay.

:0)

amy m.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
saliers/ray '00!
*write 'em in* !
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
"we are not empty-headed celebrities."
                -the goddess, amy ray

"women together is a powerful thing, especially when you join it with
music."
                -the goddess, emily saliers

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 00:18:12 -0800
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but shouldn't it at least be required that the content of the email to
the list be longer than the .sig file?  (and yes, i know i'm breaking
that suggestion with this email...)

-graham

"amy m." wrote:
>
> on fri, 19 nov 1999, cindy marie wrote:
>
> > don't i feel like a big nincompoop!
> >
>
> no, don't. i've often thought that there are some uncanny resemblances
> between melissa and amy, both in voice and looks, especially if you look
> at some of the earlier photos of melissa. it's odd. hmm...come to think of
> it, have amy and melissa ever been seen in the same room together? i'm
> talking real documented proof here too people, not just hearsay.
>
> :0)
>
> amy m.
>
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> saliers/ray '00!
> *write 'em in* !
> !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> &&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&&
> "we are not empty-headed celebrities."
>                 -the goddess, amy ray
>
> "women together is a powerful thing, especially when you join it with
> music."
>                 -the goddess, emily saliers
>
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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 04:09:19 est
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hey, for those who have not read it,  this is a really interesting article in
teen people about 10 out celebs and a huge picture of the girls.  here is the
section about the indigo girls copied without permission....

when childhood freinds amy ray and emily sailiers were growing up near
atlanta, they didn't know they were gay. then in 1982, during her senior year
in high school, "i fell in love with a girl," says amy, now 35.  "we didn't
have a sexual relationship; we held hands now and then.  i thought, well, i
love her, and if that means i'm gay, then i guess i am. i had no negative
felling about it because it was so natural."
    emily, though, was staunchly homophobic. "i was just angry toward gay
people... thought it was sick, "emily says--although she tolerated amy's
sexual oreintation fot the sake of their friendship.  then, at 20, while at
atlanta's emory universety, she says, "it just dawned on me that i was gay.
and as soon as i realized it, i was ok with it.  it was a sudden and strange
transition."  that summer, she told her parents.  "their biggest concern was
that i could find someone i could have a committed relationship with, "  says
emily, 36.  amy told her parents during her senior year at emory.  "i have
two older sisters who are gay", she says.  "the one who came out before me
probably took the brunt of it as far as my parents learing to deal with it.
slowly, we all evolved."
    the duo, whose latest album is come on now social, nationally
acknowledged their sexuality for the first time in 1994.  "i had fears of us
being percieved first and foremost as gay artists, "says emily, who , like
amy, is in a long term relationship.  "but it's more important to be open
about who you are." it isn't always easy.  in 1999, a group of parents
protested scheduled indigo girls shows at five high schools in south carolina
and tennessee. "the concerts were canceled," says emily. "those kind of
things hurt your feelings--but you have to go on.  we ended up booking shows
in clubs.  the kids came anyway, and it turned out to be  really great."


interesting huh? emily a homophobe? and look at what she's singing about now!!

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hey y'all!

this is really weird.  i went to musi-cal's website to do a search for the indigo girls (just to be sure there are no tour dates that i am unaware of), and i found this:

       thu, oct 11, 2012
       8pm

indigo girls
the beacon theatre ,  new york, ny

what?!?!?  is this a mistake, or do they really have a tour date booked for the year 2012???

:-) karen
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   -- emily saliers, indigo girls (goddess)
"...i'll be at the rainbow room, i'll be courting some disaster with the melbourne wrecking crew."
   -- amy ray, indigo girls (goddess)
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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 08:20:02 -0600
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well i hope it is a valid date.... it's a comfort to know we'll be getting
new ig for at least the next 12 years!!!  :o) :o) :o)

~~jennifer
***************
"here's to the motherfuckin revolution!"
  -amy ray
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subject: this is really strange (igc)


>hey y'all!
>
>this is really weird.  i went to musi-cal's website to do a search for the
indigo girls (just to be sure there are no tour dates that i am unaware of),
and i found this:
>
>       thu, oct 11, 2012
>       8pm
>
> indigo girls
> the beacon theatre ,  new york, ny
>
>what?!?!?  is this a mistake, or do they really have a tour date booked for
the year 2012???
>
>:-) karen
>---
>"one day the war will stop, and we'll grow a peaceful crop, and a girl can
get a wife..."
>   -- emily saliers, indigo girls (goddess)
>"...i'll be at the rainbow room, i'll be courting some disaster with the
melbourne wrecking crew."
>   -- amy ray, indigo girls (goddess)
>http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/s00.krosenblum
>http://www.gurlpages.com/activism/prochoicer
>prochoicer@gurlmail.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>get your free gurlmail at http://www.gurlmail.com
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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 09:19:42 -0500
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  hello all fellow listees in pa.  i always love to know where my fellow
ig fans are. who knows we may have run into each other and never know
it.  since none of you are on the christmas card exchange, i thought i
would conduct a little experiment.  so here goes...
   where are you guys from?  email me privately.  just curious to know
my fellow peoples out there.
   ttys
peace and love,
       carrie

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 08:13:10 -0800
reply-to:     laurel decou <indibabe2@yahoo.com>
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well i can't remember who asked this, so i'm sending
this to everyone. sorry :)
the michelle malone song you referred to i think is
all i can give you (is me) and it's on her album
new experience which you can get through daemon if you
can't find it anywhere else.
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in a message dated 11/20/99 3:11:10 am, rtsimantel@aol.com writes:

<<  the duo, whose latest album is come on now social, nationally
acknowledged their sexuality for the first time in 1994. >>

i was wondering if anyone know of any article around the time when ig come
out to the media. i was curious to know the media's reaction. i can't find it
in lifeblood.

thanks.
dorothy

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why hello
over the thanksgiving break or in the near future, i am going to try to
completely update the bootleg site...if anybody would like to have their page
linked to the site please let me know. also i can post your list for you if
you are homeless on the web, but you will be responsible for keeping it
updated and what not.

so, if you would liek to be up there, lemme know.
the url is http://members.aol.com/sfried1977/igtapes.html
before the page was having some problems and not coming up, but it should be
ok now, please let me know if any of you encounter any problems.

peace
sasha

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my only question is: when do tickets go on sale?... (no .. not really for you
literal folk)

peace
kathleen


in a message dated 11/20/1999 5:31:45 pacific standard time,
prochoicer@gurlmail.com writes:

<< hey y'all!

this is really weird.  i went to musi-cal's website to do a search for the
indigo girls (just to be sure there are no tour dates that i am unaware of),
and i found this:

        thu, oct 11, 2012
        8pm

  indigo girls
  the beacon theatre ,  new york, ny

what?!?!?  is this a mistake, or do they really have a tour date booked for
the year 2012???
  >>

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<< she said something to the effect of 'this song really helped
me get through this', and i thought to myself, wouldn't it be cool if it was
an indigo girls song, and sure as shit it was!! >>


the *one* time i don't watch dateline!!  i'm so upset!  erg!!

~ elizabeth

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just a quick question...i live in frederick maryland and am looking for a
roomate in the baltimore or towson area.  i go to school at umbc, and to my
field work in towson...if anyone needs a roomate or knows someone who does,
any help would be appreciated.  thanks... :o)

carla

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so ok, i missed the e-mails about someone being on dateline...maybe it's in a
digest that hasn't come yet..but is melissa going to be on dateline sometime
soon?? just wondering..

also, did anyone find reference to the girls' publicly being out in 94? i
remember reading something about them being gay in an article when i lived in
phoenix in 94 but i don't think i saved the article...i'd be interested to
know when they actually came out..also, thanks for the teen people transcript
- i'm too embarrassed to go buy a copy but maybe i should get over that...  :p

lisa
"look you motherfucker, this is my fucking stage...you're gonna have to
fucking shoot me off it." ~tori amos

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 19:52:05 -0500
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hi all,

over the past few days, i have added ten pages of song lyrics from
strongest girl in the world to my katie miller site, plus a menu
page.  my next major project will be a missing lynx site with
information on all of the songwriters, musicians, and friends that have
made the past five years the best years of my life.

peace,
tim

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hey y'all~
    i've been slackin' on checking my lists. i'm just wondering if you've
done anything with the christmas card exchange yet? and if you have is it too
late for me to join in?
please email me!
~alyssa

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ok so i'm flipping channels and stop at "who wants to be a millionare", they
were doing a qualifing question:  "put these musical groups in order,
starting with the fewest members to the greatest"
         a. indigo girls
         b. backstreet boys
         c. the police
         d. crosby, stills, nash & young

the girls made prime time tv!  lol  okie well i'm outie.

-di

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 21:15:17 est
reply-to:     ndgogrls@aol.com
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from:         "<carla bunner>" <ndgogrls@aol.com>
subject:      hard rock live?
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ok so i was going through my old video tapes and i saw that i had taped a
clip of the girls on hard rock live...on vh1.  aparently they had done a
whole episode but all i had taped was "shame on you"...so i emailed vh1 and
they said that yes they had done an episode but that they had no plans to
rerun it. they also said that there was no way anyone could buy it.  so i was
wondering if anyone else saw this and possible taped it, and if so i could
get a copy.  it would be most appreciated.  thanks  :o)

carla

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 21:25:01 est
reply-to:     sass60876@aol.com
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from:         mandy clements <sass60876@aol.com>
subject:      calling all indie film and music fans (some ig content)
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howdy y'all! i forget that i heavn't mentioned my webpage yet to y'all, dern
me for that! i have an entire webpage dedicated to independent film and music
and the indigo girls have an honorable mention (because they are on a major
record label) at the bottom of my music page! there's a link to an awesome
message board and soon there will be contests and all sorts of other
goodies......so check it out if y'all are interested! take it easy!

mandy :)     'ma website: www.angelfire.com/ok2/indie4me

"the higher the leap, the harder the ground"---amy ray

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date:         sat, 20 nov 1999 22:03:35 est
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from:         melissa billings <arrowofartemis@aol.com>
subject:      re: teen people ig article transcription
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in a message dated 11/20/1999 8:31:46 am pacific standard time,
shedyskin@aol.com writes:

> i was wondering if anyone know of any article around the time when ig come
>  out to the media. i was curious to know the media's reaction. i can't find
> it
>  in lifeblood.

i pulled out my scrapbook (yeah, yeah...lol) and the first article i have
where it's mentioned is in out magazine, surprise, surprise. :)  it was
featured in the april  1994 issue.  everything i have after that mentions
their being out in some shape or form...so i don't know if this was their
"coming out article" or not...but it's the first record of it i have.

anybody else?

mis

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date:         sun, 21 nov 1999 01:50:59 est
reply-to:     indigopony@aol.com
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from:         indigopony@aol.com
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>  jilly c.), when emily signed my notebook, i asked her if it would be
>  possible to play "we are together" the next day

hmmm...unless i am *really* delusional (hee--which i may very well be ;),
they played "we are together" at one of the shows that i was at in oct.,
which would be the lowell or amherst one--i'm thinkin' maybe amherst.  anyone
out there who has the setlist and can tell me?!
peace, love, and 12-hour train rides,
ponygrrrl

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date:         sun, 21 nov 1999 08:28:20 est
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from:         hunterj1@aol.com
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hey!  i still haven't received the tape  from kelly so i want to put everyone
on hold for another day.  if i sent you an email about your request, save my
addy.  get your sase ready so i can return the tape to you.  if you jumped
the start gun and already sent your tape without return postage, you'll have
to send me three 33-cent stamps so i can return it to you.  please document
this transaction.  i have over 50 requests to fill.

jude :)

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date:         sun, 21 nov 1999 11:44:00 -0000
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from:         melissa s singhaus <idjlamb24@prodigy.net>
subject:      i am back on the list i was wondering if the christmas card list
              was released yet?
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i am missy and i was wondering if the christmas card list was released =
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date:         sun, 21 nov 1999 12:42:58 est
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from:         lance longwell <longwell_ls@hotmail.com>
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i can't even believe that i am writing this to the list.

however, for the last few days, my girlfriend and i have been discussing
romances which have developed as a result of two people being on this list.

we met each other on the list.  after talking for awhile, we finally meet in
person at an indigo girls show.  from there we started going to see live
folk artists and then it just developed from there.

so, my big question is, has anyone else met their significant other off the
list and are now in a meaningful relationship together?

cheers,
l'sly


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date:         sun, 21 nov 1999 12:02:29 mst
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jason>>>>this is your cue i think.  when are you going to move to atlanta to
finally fix my computer and live with me?????

-chee

>from: lance longwell <longwell_ls@hotmail.com>
>reply-to: lance longwell <longwell_ls@hotmail.com>
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject: list romances (nigc)
>date: sun, 21 nov 1999 12:42:58 est
>
>i can't even believe that i am writing this to the list.
>
>however, for the last few days, my girlfriend and i have been discussing
>romances which have developed as a result of two people being on this list.
>
>we met each other on the list.  after talking for awhile, we finally meet
>in
>person at an indigo girls show.  from there we started going to see live
>folk artists and then it just developed from there.
>
>so, my big question is, has anyone else met their significant other off the
>list and are now in a meaningful relationship together?
>
>cheers,
>l'sly
>
>
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date:         sun, 21 nov 1999 11:58:57 pst
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*raises her hand*
we've known each other off-list going on two years in december...however, we
didn't first met at a concert( although that would have been a cool
idea)...in fact, we're going to our first ig concert together on dec. 11th
in columbus, oh!...in fact (since she's no longer on the list i can say
this) i'm going to ask her to marry me on new year's eve...
*jumping up and down*
*starts singing the them song to love boat*
*mercifully fades off into the distance*

rugbygrrl

>i can't even believe that i am writing this to the list.
however, for the last few days, my girlfriend and i have been discussing
romances which have developed as a result of two people being on this list.
we met each other on the list.  after talking for awhile, we finally meet in
person at an indigo girls show.  from there we started going to see live
folk artists and then it just developed from there.
so, my big question is, has anyone else met their significant other off the
list and are now in a meaningful relationship together?

cheers,
l'sly

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