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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 19:31:20 -0500
reply-to:     susan brill <susan.brill@yale.edu>
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from:         susan brill <susan.brill@yale.edu>
subject:      nigc: exxonmobil dp and non-discrimination policy
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i was listening to a radio show while working and heard someone say that
the benefits package offered by exxon was much better than mobil's, so
people shouldn't be so worried about this issue.

what the heck does that mean?

it is distressing to hear that the merged company does not go with the more
"evolved" policy. i have a friend who has been touting the virtues of exxon
stock for years. i'm glad i didn't listen to him, and i'm going to berate
him for being part of a group of stockholders who are really responsible
for this situation.

-sue
a little confused and hasn't had time to read the details...

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 19:44:52 -0500
reply-to:     debbie woodell <woodeld@phillynews.com>
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from:         debbie woodell <woodeld@phillynews.com>
subject:      re: nigc: exxonmobil dp and non-discrimination policy

i read one account that said they would keep the benefits for current
employees, but wouldn't offer dp benefits to any **new** employees, which
s**ks just as bad.
        as someone said earlier, another reason (besides the arctic disaster) to
avoid exxon, and now mobil. hmm, and texaco is racist. is there a *good*
gasoline company out there? or is that an oxymoron?
deb

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 17:00:13 -0800
reply-to:     melissa gordon <melissa@ce1.com>
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76 gas or costco/price club (which sells gas at a .15-.20 discount!)

avoid darth exxon (& now darth mobil)!

melissa


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> i read one account that said they would keep the benefits for current
> employees, but wouldn't offer dp benefits to any **new** employees, which
> s**ks just as bad.
>         as someone said earlier, another reason (besides the arctic
disaster) to
> avoid exxon, and now mobil. hmm, and texaco is racist. is there a *good*
> gasoline company out there? or is that an oxymoron?
> deb
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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 20:05:31 est
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i got this from the over the rhine mailing list:


<< here is a breakdown of what is left on the otr tour dates for 1999.
following
these are a few dates that terri templeton will be playing with michelle
malone as part of michelle's band. terri hopes to see some of you in
attendance!

winter tour 1999 updates and show information

<snip>


terri templeton dates

terri will playing as part of michelle malone's band on these handful of
dates. tix are available via ticketmaster. for more info go to
www.michellemalone.com

dec 7 murat theater indianapolis in, michelle malone opening for indigo
girls

dec 14 palace theater louisville ky, michelle malone opening for indigo
girls >>


all i have to say is ahhhhhahahhahhahhh!!!!!  the backup singer for over the
rhine, michelle malone, and indigo girls all on the same bill!!  and these
shows are close enough for me to easily drive to, but i can't go to any
shows right now!!!

excuse me, i think i'm going to cry.

y'all be sure to have fun for me.

liz

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 20:18:16 -0500
reply-to:     bonnie lacey <blacey@aye.net>
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from:         bonnie lacey <blacey@aye.net>
subject:      re: omg i am so freakin' jealous!!!
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thanks liz for the good news!  i can't wait to see michelle malone, i
have some of her music, but i've never heard of over the rhine.  can you
fill me in a bit?

thanks and waiting for lou 12-14
bonnie

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 20:18:24 -0500
reply-to:     bonnie lacey <blacey@aye.net>
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subject:      re: louisville opener?
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hey y'all - serious question here - who opens in l'ville??? plus...

12-14 the girls come to louisville.  the only station in this lame town
that plays the girls is 91.9 fm, part of the public radio partnership.
the commercial stations wouldn't play them for money, although one of
them is advertising the concert.  how wrong is that?

anyway, this station is really funky and off beat, it's small and
located in the public library right across the street from where the
girls will be staying, and they have 2 excellent female dj's who could
interview the hell out of the girls.  they have a cute little tiny
studio where they host little shows for traveling artists.  i want ig to
submit to them and give an interview!!  i envision it as the type of
station the girls would want to be a part of - really cool.   how can i,
bonnie lacey, who has no contacts with anyone who is anyone, make this
happen?

thank's y'all, and good night

bonnie

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 20:26:07 -0500
reply-to:     tami damron <txosbo01@morehead-st.edu>
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subject:      columbus opener?
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who will be opening in columbus?

thanks!


tami

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 22:21:34 est
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according to michelle malone's website, she is opening in louisville.  that's
going to be one awesome show!

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 22:28:30 -0500
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hi there.
i have an extra ticket for the emu show on friday night - 7th row - only
drawback is you'll be sitting with me and i am so pumped for this
show!!!!  anyways, first come , first served.  oh - face value btw.
thanks.
tami

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 21:31:50 -0600
reply-to:     barbara bordner <barbarafrommn@webtv.net>
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subject:      re: igc - song choice in concert
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good point.  i often wonder why  they never play 1,2,3,  anymore.

barb

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 23:30:29 est
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well it's 11:30pm and i continue to procrastinate.  i have a paper due first thing in the morning and i am no where near done...looks like an all nighter. but i was just thinking about the girls, of course, and the song shame on you...now i am fairly new to the list so i dont know if this was ever mentioned but the part in the song where amy says "the beautiful ladies walk right by you know i never know what to say"...well how about "hi i'm amy ray"...would it take anymore than that really...does she really have this problem...i think not...


just a thought...back to paper hell...

carla  :ož

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in a message dated 12/7/99 5:04:01 pm pacific standard time, melissa@ce1.com
writes:

> 76 gas or costco/price club (which sells gas at a .15-.20 discount!)
>
>  avoid darth exxon (& now darth mobil)!
i usually get fuel from chevron because they are a client of one of my best
friends.  their fuel as well as 76 and arco are less expensive than costco
around here, which i find strange..anyway..down with exxon/mobil!

------------------------------------

set your site up in the headlight
the moon won't be enough
light the embers of another
and the night won't seem so rough
sister...

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i have a favor to ask of each of you.  jillyc. i'm sure you'd be able to
help.  a friend of mine is the promotions director and sometimes dj at the
university station in louisville (1590). she is interviewing rose p. on
friday and needs questions to ask her.  she is also interviewing mm, the day
of the ig show in louisville, to which she also needs questions.  so i ask
you on her behalf b/c she's not a member of this list and i know you guys are
great at asking questions.  have at it, anything you would like to ask rose
and/or mm please mail me so i can get them to her. if your in the louisville
area please tune in, i'm not sure when the interviews will be given (time
wise) i just know the dates (rose is this friday, and mm is on the 14th).
thanks for all your help.

-di

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i just got sent the times on those interviews  { rose is at 4 on friday & mm
is at 2:30 on the 14th}

-di

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date:         tue, 7 dec 1999 22:02:46 -0800
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subject:      re: nigc- feelin' political this morning...rant
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> -----original message-----

> > so the main thing is, free trade must be fair trade.
>
>    how would you make it fair?

the important thing would be to help these developing nations reach an
accord on basic labor rights by giving them the tools they need to stop
abusing workers. let's set a world-wide minimum wage that is fluid enough to
take into account cost of living in all the areas of the world.

i don't think it is too much to say "ok, let's agree that children need to
grow up to be healthy, productive citizens and they aren't going to do that
if they are working 12 hours a day and not getting an education."
much hoopla was made over a treaty clinton signed while he was here which
banned the most egregious forms of child labor. only 2 other nations signed
it out of the 135 that were there.

i have suppliers who do manufacture in china. they manufacture at private
facilities and they have to pass a stringent set of guidelines and be open
for inspection at any time. they are reviewed yearly to make sure they are
keeping in line. requirements include proper disposal of hazardous
materials, no child labor, no slave labor, and a living wage for the
workers.

let's start practicing sustainable agriculture ourselves and help other
nations do the same. (we could start with hemp) dismantle monsanto and
dupont, for that matter. make corporations pay heavy taxes if one of the
byproducts of their business trashes the environment (hell, i'd be happy if
they'd just pay their taxes period).

so i guess i'd have to say that maybe i am not for free trade at all. i like
graham's thought of starting up a world labor organization. but i'd have
doubts it would ever get as much clout considering that governments are
owned by big business and big business only cares about profit for their
ceo's and shareholders.

ryan

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subject:      ligc: end of days mention sort of
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seems that the girls are popular this holiday season in the movies.  =
first there was chickenman and the wood song reference in toy story 2,  =
and today=20
i noticed a reference in the arnold schwarzenegger movie end of days =
when it was mentioned that the wife and daughter of arnold's character =
were named emily & amy.  maybe this falls under the "you know you're =
obsessed when" category...one of the few high points in an otherwise =
blah movie. thank goodness for $4.00 matinees.

peace,
karen


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it simply means that you should stop your bitching. at least, that's what
that says to me. you know, microsoft grants probably the bests benefits
available to gay and str8 couples. they figure the only thing important is
the bottom line. forget employee loyalty.

ryan

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> from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> behalf of susan brill

> i was listening to a radio show while working and heard someone say that
> the benefits package offered by exxon was much better than mobil's, so
> people shouldn't be so worried about this issue.
>
> what the heck does that mean?

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uh huh. anyone who doesn't really care for all of a&e's songs are not
deserving to be at a concert? who died and made you ms. manners?

how do you know maybe they weren't feeling well, were saving their energy,
etc? i guess maybe i don't deserve to be on this list since go is not among
my favorites...

ryan


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> from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
> behalf of <carla bunner>
> sent: tuesday, december 07, 1999 2:43 pm
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: re: go
>
>
> i couldn't believe when they sat during "go".
>
>
>  is that possible...i didnt know that could be done...
> those people did not deserve to be at that show...how insulting.
> i mean the song clearly says "don't take a seat"...
>  ...sigh
>
>  carla  :ož
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carla wrote:
<< "the beautiful ladies walk right by you know i never know what to
say"...well how about "hi i'm amy ray"...would it take anymore than that
really...does she really have this problem...i think not... >>

heehee :) she wouldn't even have to say anything :) especially with those
blonde highlights and the tight pants...

lisa :)

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date:         wed, 8 dec 1999 08:01:22 est
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in a message dated 12/8/99 2:10:54 am eastern standard time,
hawke2@email.msn.com writes:

<< uh huh. anyone who doesn't really care for all of a&e's songs are not
deserving to be at a concert? who died and made you ms. manners?
  >>

i couldn't agree with you more...and i don't understand why those people who
don't dance at ig concerts are considered "un-hip" or "yucky..."  it's all
about preferences, and tolerance and respect should rule!

i really think the girls' management should look into dancing sections and
sitting....

thanks...

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i just received a demo tape of the band out of atlanta called ad lib.  a member, jean stewart, is/was a listmember.  outstanding tape!  anyone want a copy?  i have four songs and each one is a gem :)  great music, wonderful harmony.  these girrls can sing!

jude :)

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yeah, i have a question/request for mm: play in nj, please! i'm in dire
need of a concert! thanks.
rb

on wed, 8 dec 1999 ckpjays2@aol.com wrote:

>  i have a favor to ask of each of you.  jillyc. i'm sure you'd be able to
> help.  a friend of mine is the promotions director and sometimes dj at the
> university station in louisville (1590). she is interviewing rose p. on
> friday and needs questions to ask her.  she is also interviewing mm, the day
> of the ig show in louisville, to which she also needs questions.  so i ask
> you on her behalf b/c she's not a member of this list and i know you guys are
> great at asking questions.  have at it, anything you would like to ask rose
> and/or mm please mail me so i can get them to her. if your in the louisville
> area please tune in, i'm not sure when the interviews will be given (time
> wise) i just know the dates (rose is this friday, and mm is on the 14th).
> thanks for all your help.
>
> -di
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yeah, i'm sorry for sending on an urban legend...i got one too many that
were real yesterday and lost the ability to distinguish - besides, i could
totally see the government pulling something like that. but as was pointed
out to me, *hopefully* we would have seen  something on the news. the part
about mobil/exxon is true, though, and so is "frog and wombat" on hbo...

have a nice day
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hey y'all...

a couple days late, but the chicago tribune finally
got its review of the girls printed.

there was a cute picture of a&e, on stage, tho they
got the two mixed up. (where do they find these people
to write these articles anyway?)

there is also a mention of mm as the "third indigo
girl."

offered to y'all without permission, etc... sorry
about any formatting problems.

/ginia

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chicago tribune 12/7/99

testing the talent
indigo girls blend hard-rocking bits with acoustic
fare

by steve knopper
special to the tribune
december 7, 1999

'indigo" is far too gentle a word for the way amy ray
behaved sunday night at the chicago theatre. standing
onstage alone, she strummed a mandolin like the
ramones' lost sister and sang a tribute to former sex
pistol johnny rotten. later, she delivered the epitaph
for executed texas pickax murderer karla faye tucker:
"i thought i heard the angels' bells, but they were
just the hounds of hell."

but each time ray wandered into such unfamiliar
territory, she and partner emily saliers abruptly
returned from the edge. though the indigo girls opened
with "go" and "trouble," two angry, electric songs
from their surprisingly hard-rocking 1999 album "come
on now
social," they switched back to acoustic guitars for
the
reliable folk singalong "chickenman."

the entire two-hour show was like that. ray supplied
the sharp, sometimes scary rock 'n' roll songs, such
as
"shame on you" and "faye tucker." saliers drew more
directly from '70s singer-songwriters james taylor and
bonnie raitt for the indigo girls' crowd-pleasers --
"power of two," "get out the map," "closer to fine"
and the finale, "galileo." unfortunately, because the
indigo girls seemed reluctant to challenge the crowd,
ray's darker material came in short, unsatisfying
doses.

but unlike, say, singers roger daltrey and pete
townshend in the who, there's little musical tension.
saliers played a mean slide-blues electric guitar solo
during ray's explosive screaming on "compromise." and
ray willingly submitted to the bright, upbeat folk-pop
of "peace tonight."

ray and saliers began singing together in the early
'80s, at a suburban atlanta high school. gradually,
they began recording records and solidifying their
reputations as serious folk musicians.

after 19 years of singing together, ray joked to the
crowd, the two singers are so compatible that "you'd
be
amazed at how often we don't talk to each other on the
road."

during sunday's show, they lightened up and poked fun
at their image (and the fact that interviewers can't
seem to resist asking them about feminism in rock).
before "cold beer and remote control," ray admitted
she'd spent the day watching old james bond movies on
television. she said she could relate best to the
early bond women best because "they didn't weigh 100
pounds."

ray and saliers led a four-person band, including a
cellist and pennywhistle player, and frequently
brought guests to the stage. for the encore, the girls
ceded the spotlight to chicago singers kelly hogan and
neko case on dolly parton's "jolene"-- with impressive
four-part harmony. and veteran atlanta singer michelle
malone, a longtime indigo girls friend and songwriting
partner, happily played third indigo girl with a
harmonica and guitar.

malone opened the show with a bassist and
percussionist, occasionally invoking the spooky
country-blues of bruce springsteen's "nebraska" but
usually settling for upbeat, chiming-guitar power pop.
it's unclear why malone, who has been recording albums
since the late '80s, has yet to crack the sheryl
crow-shawn colvin pop niche. but maybe the indigo
girls, who are generous with their influence, can
help.

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from:    susan brill <susan.brill@yale.edu>
subject: nigc: exxonmobil dp and non-discrimination policy

i was listening to a radio show while working and heard someone say that
the benefits package offered by exxon was much better than mobil's, so
people shouldn't be so worried about this issue.

what the heck does that mean?

here is the full text from glaad:
new exxon-mobil corp. not offering gay-friendly benefits :  fair treatment
of gay and lesbian employees took a hit as a result of the $81 billion
merger between oil giants exxon corp. and mobil corp.  although mobil corp.
began offering domestic partner benefits in 1998 and had a
non-discrimination clause in place to protect gays and lesbians, the newly
formed company, texas-based exxon-mobil corp., will not offer domestic
partnerships nor include the words "sexual orientation" in its
non-discrimination policy. this follows a failed attempt in may by the new
york-based equality project to have exxon corp. add sexual orientation to
that policy. tom cirigliano, an exxon-mobil corp. spokesperson, said
although the company would not offer domestic partnerships, it will honor
existing benefits plans of former mobil corp. employees already enrolled in
the program. he said the company would only offer benefits to legally valid
marriages, including legally valid common law marriages. when asked about
the fairness of denying benefits to same-sex couples who are not allowed to
legally marry, he said, "we need some criteria to establish a relationship"
and not offering domestic benefits eliminates the need for exxon-mobil to
establish what relationships are valid. cirigliano also said exxon-mobil
corp.'s non-discrimination policy follows federal law, which does not
include sexual orientation. he said the company has stated publicly that
its policy covers all people, but it does not need to add "sexual
orientation" to the policy's list. when asked why, he answered, "where do
you stop?" the policies of exxon-mobil corp. has caused grant lukenbill,
president of glv reports & communications, to remove the company from the
1999 glv index, an annual ranking of gay-friendly companies closely
followed by socially responsible investors. "if exxon/mobil thinks it can
kick gay and lesbian consumers, employees and investors in the teeth by
rolling back its employment and benefits policies to the 1970s, it has
another thing coming," he said. for more information on exxon-mobil corp.,
contact exxon-mobil corp. spokesperson tom cirigliano at 972-444-1000. for
more information on the equality project and the 1999 glv index, contact
glv reports and communications president grant lukenbill at 212-925-7300,
ext. 271.

somebody else asked:
is there a *good*
gasoline company out there? or is that an oxymoron?
i've heard sunoco is still ok. and chevron. not shell, not texaco. bp was,
but i heard that they were bought a few months ago - does anybody know if
that is true? sigh.

sarah

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wow, i can't believe the atlanta shows are only a little more than a week
away.
since some of us are traveling for the shows, i thought it would be a good
idea
to start a little early on putting the list meets together.
>>>

good idea cathy!  now, my question for the rest of the intimate strangers
out there, what would be the best time to meet?  before (around 5ish) or
after (around 11:30ish) the show(s)?  i think i would lean towards after the
show since before the show is a little hectic w/ people travelling and
getting off work and such.

next question:  now where would be a good place to meet?  going on the
assumption of a post-concert informal list-gathering, it wouldn't have to be
right next door to the venue, but should be close since it's already going
to be past my bedtime.  anyway, i suppose some sort of restaurant (to not
have 21/id problems) in the highlands?  maybe akins park or neighbors (i
can't remember those places carding).  or possibly more of a restaurant than
those places.  there's always vortex on p'tree in midtown or maybe front
page news / vickory's nearby there as well.  i'm not too familiar w/ the
restaurant/bar scene dowtown.

suggestions, comments, helpful hints, famous recipes?

anyway, there's a spark to get the fires (of another) burning on the list...
;)

ps:  keep those reviews & setlists a comin'!  we have to make sure lifeblood
is up to date!  and if you can scan in your ticket stubs and/or setlists -
e-mail them to lifeblood as well.  (www.lifeblood.net)

thanks,
mike
a+e=ig

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subject:      chicago tribune ig review

chicago tribune
december 7, 1999

testing the talent
"indigo" is far too gentle a word for the way amy ray behaved sunday
night at the chicago theatre.  standing on stage alone, she strummed a
mandolin like the ramones' lost sister and sang a tribute to former sex
pistol johnny rotten.  later, she delivered the epitaph for executed
texas pickax murderer karla faye tucker.  "i thought i heard the angels'
bells, but they were just the hounds of hell."

but each time ray wandered into such unfamiliar territory, she and
partner emily saliers abruptly returned from the edge.  though the indigo
girls opened with "go" and "trouble," two angry, electric songs from
their surprisingly hard-rocking 1999 album "com on now social," they
switched back to acoustic guitars for the reliable folk song sing-along
"chickenman."

the entire soldout,  two-hour show was like that.  ray supplied the
sharp, sometimes scary rock 'n' roll songs, such as "shame on you" and
"faye tucker."  saliers drew more directly from '70s singer-songwriters
james taylor and bonnie raitt for the indigo girls' crowd-pleaser --
"power of two," "get out the map," "closer to fine," and the finale,
"galileo."  unfortunately, because the indigo girls seemed reluctant to
challenge the crow, ray's darker material came in short, unsatisfying
doses.

but unlike, say, singers roger daltery and pete townsend in the who,
there's little musical tension.  saliers played a mean slide-blues
electric guitar solo during ray's explosive screaming on "compromise."
and ray willingly submitted to the bright, upbeat folk-pop of "peace
tonight."

ray and saliers began singing together in the early '80s at a suburban
atlanta high school.  gradually, they began recording records and
solidifying their reputations as serious folk musicians.

after 19 years of singing together, ray joked to the crowd, the two
singers are so compatible that "you'd be amazed at how often we don't
talk to each other on the road."

during sunday's show, they lightened up and poked fun at their image (and
the fact that interviewers can't seem to resist asking them about
feminism in rock).  before "cold beer and remote control," ray admitted
she'd spent the day watching old james bond movies on television.  she
said she could relate best to the early bond women best because "they
don't weigh 100 pounds."

ray and salieres led a four-person band, including a cellist and
pennywhistle player, and frequently brought guests to the stage.  for the
encore, the girls ceded the spotlight to chicago singers kelly hogan and
neko case on dolly parton's "jolene" -- with impressive four-part
harmony.  and veteran atlanta singer michelle malone, a longtime indigo
girls friend and songwriting partner, happily played third indigo girl
with a harmonica and guitar.

malone opened the show with a bassist and percussionist, occasionally
invoking the spooky country-blues of bruce springstien's "nebraska" but
usually setting for upbeat, chiming-guitar power pop.  it's unclear why
malone, who has been recording albums since the late '80s has yet to
crack the sheryl crow-shawn colvin pop niche.  but maybe the indigo
girls, who are generous with their influence, and help.

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date:         wed, 8 dec 1999 11:38:15 -0500
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just found out i might be in louisville for the show on the 14th.  does
anyone have an extra ticket or know where i can get a great seat?  i just
need one.

thank you,

diane l. hartley
general manager
winstar professional services
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on wed, 8 dec 1999, virginia tantral wrote:

> malone opened the show with a bassist and
> percussionist, occasionally invoking the spooky
> country-blues of bruce springsteen's "nebraska" but
> usually settling for upbeat, chiming-guitar power pop.
> it's unclear why malone, who has been recording albums
> since the late '80s, has yet to crack the sheryl
> crow-shawn colvin pop niche.

   i know i'm pickin' nits here, but how exactly can one conjure up the
dark vibe that bruce had on "nebraska", (one of the darkest albums of
all time -- acoustic music nuts, how can you listen to highway patrolman
and not get chills?) and still not manage to crack the "sheryl crow-shawn
colvin pop niche"?

   so when's michelle gonna treat us all to a good time in w. ny?  ;)

   darius

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hi everyone,

i seem to recall sometime ago some of you asking where the name "daemon" came
from for amy's record label.  i came across this article about it.  i don't
think it has been posted before, if it has i am sorry to repeat it.

indigo girl amy ray:

a zealous and skillful spirit

by sue favor

amy ray was thinking of a name for her new record label about seven years ago
when she remembered a character in a book she'd read: a daemon. the
lizard-like creature, defined in the dictionary as a genius, zealous and
skillful spirit, had a similar meaning in the book. "it was a symbol of art
and commerce," said ray, who has been one-half of the indigo girls for 17
years. "it represented the talent you have within yourself, that's given by
the gods." so it's no surprise that the socially conscious ray chose the name
to represent her unique company, which is run like a co-op and is designed to
teach the artists involved about the music industry.

when they sign on to daemon records, the musicians agree to work a certain
number of hours assembling their own cds, packaging and making calls, among
other things. they also get together often for writer's nights. ray said she
wants the artists to know what goes into making a successful band. she also
makes it a policy to allow bands to choose the cities in which they want to
play and market and, most importantly to her, not to interfere with their
songwriting or otherwise give orders. "i'm kind of like a bank," she said. "i
give them a budget and set some general rules, but i'm not out to tell them
how to do anything. if everyone works together, we get things done."

daemon has almost two dozen acts, but only about six are what ray calls
"active," playing regularly and promoting an album. their newest band is
lift, an atlanta-based quartet whose debut album of beautiful, melodic,
pop-rock called lifelike is due out in april. ray is picky about the bands
she chooses to sign.

"the members of lift approached me, but i sought the rock-a-teens actively,"
she said. "i work with everyone for a certain reason." and though she is
reluctant to admit it, rumor has it that the rock-a-teens are ray's favorite
band. she does acknowledge that signing them appeared fated. "they are
special because i heard them when i was at a venue to see another band," ray
said.

the rock-a-teen's first album, cry, was released earlier this year. ray also
strives for a diversity of musical groups on her label, to buck a trend she
sees with indie labels of pigeonholing themselves by putting out only a
certain type of music. she also puts out her own projects on daemon, like the
compilation album honor last fall -- the proceeds of which will go to 200
environmental preservation groups in north america. the release includes cuts
from well-known artists like soul asylum, matthew sweet and victoria
williams, as well as up-and-comers like rusted root, john trudell and luka
bloom. two years ago daemon also released the soundtrack to the musical jesus
christ superstar, in which ray and fellow indigo emily saliers starred. ray
played jesus christ.

"that cd has done better than anything daemon's ever put out," ray said. she
donated the proceeds from the album to gun violence education organizations
in each city the cast performed the play. in seattle, the beneficiary was
washington cease fire. though she expects artist to fight for themselves to
an extent, ray also takes on more than her share of the work -- so much so
that last year she hired some staff and began delegating duties. even so, she
puts her label first in her life. "i will cancel things if i have to do stuff
for daemon," she said. "if you're going to have a label, you have to be
responsible to it."

ray said her work for the label doesn't conflict with touring and performing
as an indigo girl, but admitted the load can be heavy, despite the occasional
help of saliers. the indigo's eighth album will be released this spring and
will be followed by a tour, which will include the northwest. you can bet a
date: sun, 19 dec 1999 14:26:02 +0000
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daemon band will be the opening act.

as for the label itself, ray said she won't take on anymore new bands for a
while. "if the artists here now want to get bigger, i encourage them to move
on to a larger label because we don't want to grow," she said. "they
understand this is a stepping stone."


take care.

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--- sarah pinsker <spinsker@goucher.edu> wrote:

bp was,
> but i heard that they were bought a few months ago -
> does anybody know if
> that is true?

bp merged with amoco a few months ago.

peace!


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for those of you who have a costco nearby, you can buy
gas there.  and, they offer domestic partnership
benefits and i believe they have a non-discrimination
policy.

peace!


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hi all,

i didn't post a review of the chicago concert, mostly because y'all said what
i wanted to say already, so i figured i would just read and not post.
but, speaking of michelle malone.....
i've been a fan of hers for a little over a year...and her music is
incredible.
after the ig show (she was the opener), i was out in the lobby trying to
figure out if i could afford a tshirt or not, i half turned ...and michelle
malone was right behind me.  (:  i bought yet another copy of 'home grown' to
give as an x-mas present, and had her sign it.  i also asked if i could get a
picture with her, and she cheerfully put her arm around me and my gf took the
picture.
i was sooo bouncy after all this, i didn't even want to wait at the side door
to see if the 'girls' were boarding their bus any time soon.
i just skipped back to my car.
michelle malone rocks.  check her out, if you haven't yet.
-mel

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"and who would take out the dominican republic
and send god's sweet children floating down a poison stream"

i know this is something i should know...but...what's ms. saliers referring
to here?
thanks in advance,
mel

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here's the indianapolis star review of last night's show.

i've got a setlist & sort of a punchy-as-hell review on my web page at
http://php.indiana.edu/~ahaines/concerts.html ... if anyone has trouble
accessing it, let me know and i can email it to you.

the show kicked butt. :)

---------- forwarded message ----------

     sophisticated duo covers new ground

     by david lindquist
   the indianapolis star

   indianapolis (dec. 8, 1999) -- the indigo girls have accomplished a
   lot by stretching and reinventing the blueprint of "two folkies with
   acoustic guitars."

   come on now social, the duo's seventh studio album, is densely
   instrumented and filled with shifting time signatures.

   and rather than coming to the murat theatre on tuesday to revisit a
   decade of crowd-pleasing sing-alongs, emily saliers and amy ray came
   to promote social and its many dimensions.

   early in the program, strawberry-locked saliers offered peace tonight,
   the goodwill single that in concert lacked horns but included an
   accordion.

   in the hands of jeff foxworthy, a song called cold beer and remote
   control might have comedic potential. in the hands of saliers, it does
   not.

   instead, cold beer is a piece of social commentary that spotlights
   undersized lives in a randomly organized world.

   auburn-haired ray raised the political ante with faye tucker, an
   anti-death penalty number that sonically summoned the hounds of hell.

   with lyrical urgency on par with rage against the machine, ray called
   on lawmakers to "rise above just being cruel." (acting locally, ray
   called on the audience to protest thursday's scheduled execution of
   d.h. fleenor.)

   ozilline, a sensitive meditation on aging, was perhaps the best
   showcase for the sophistication of come on now social.

   from beginning to end, ray played a mandolin riff high above the
   anchor of a rubbery bass line. her vocals sailed easily through the
   pronounced contrasts.

   the punk screed compromise is simply a rocking good outlet for ray's
   aggression.

   saliers, meanwhile, should not be misconstrued as a one-dimensional
   source of wistful melodies closer to fine and least complicated. she
   impressed more than once with robust electric solos.

   the symbiotic collaboration of saliers and ray becomes more magical
   the longer it lasts. the pair's generosity and ability to function in
   a 50-50 framework is worthy of high praise.

   supporting act michelle malone (3 stars) made lots of friends with a
   winning, sometimes devastating performance.

   an atlanta compatriot of the indigo girls, malone channeled
   late-millennium restlessness through high-arcing vocals and raw-nerved
   guitar work.
     _________________________________________________________________

   pop music writer david lindquist can be reached at (317) 633-9404 or
   via e-mail at dlindquist@starnews.com.   [inline]   concert review:
   indigo girls
   star star star
   (star rating: 4 excellent,
   3 good, 2 fair, 1 poor)

   when: tuesday night.

   location: murat theatre.

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no. they must submit to me....well, in my dreams, anyway, right?

> -----original message-----

> i want ig to
> submit to them...

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very good point!!!!!! i agree what more would she really have to
say...nothing...she wouldn't even have to say that to me...
absoltel in love with amy,
                  carrie

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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hkf's,

just thought i'd share some holiday ig cheer (and show everyone how i never
delete my e-mails! ;)  it's about that time again...  this is a oldie repost
from nancy humphries about a year ago - although i'm not sure of the
original composer to this...

a+e=ig

<<<snip>>>

need some last-minute gift ideas?  having trouble shopping
for that special indigo girls fan on your list?  well, fret
no more, because for a very limited time you can order any
of the following delightful items, each designed with the
insatiable ig fan in mind.  please read on for descriptions:

for the child in everyone, we offer adorable amy and emily
action figures!  amy is ready to jam in her ripped jeans
with embroidered jacket (jangling beads and silver ring
sold separately), while emily sports her trademark overalls
and a white t-shirt.  each comes with six guitars tuned in
weird keys.  amy's strings pre-broken at factory.
(sorry, sara lee not available.)

hate getting up in the morning?  well you'll rise and shine
cheerfully with our new "first to praise the sun" _talking_
alarm clock!  forget those shrill buzzing alarms.  let amy
wake you up *gently* with her calm assertion:  "um, you're
actually supposed to get up now.  but do whatever you feel
comfortable with."

surprise your friends with a package of our homemade fat-free
bran muffins.  they're so delicious!  and they might be similar
to muffins amy or emily might have eaten once!

have you ever felt self-conscious at an ig show because you
don't have "that hair"?  well you can say goodbye to your
insecurity with our exclusive miracle wigs.  that's right.
just slip one on before the next show, and watch as you're
instantly transformed!  you're sure to fit right in!  then
discreetly remove the wig afterwards, and no one but your
date will be the wiser.  you really can have "that hair"!
in medium brown.  unisex.

been too happy lately?  need a good cry?  well, now there's
"the very essence of pain", a new compilation of the igs'
most depressing songs.  let amy and emily get you down with
old heartbreakers like "hey jesus" and "blood and fire", as
well as newer ones like "fare thee well" and "ghost".  best
of all, the songs are carefully sequenced to *maximize* your
feelings of emptiness and despair.  you won't find a glimmer
of hope here--no "watershed" or "galileo" to diffuse your
pain--just your favorite downers, back to back.  order several
copies,  and share the agony with your friends!  coffee and
cigarettes not included.

well, those are the goods.  unfortunately, however, the time
during which they were available for purchase was so very limited
that it actually expired just now.  we regret the inconvenience.

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hkf's,

no really, i'm very, very busy today at work, honest i am...  ;)
ummm... last one for the holiday.  i don't know who the author is but enjoy
it anyway!

a+e=ig

<<<snip>>>

twelve indigo days of christmas:

a lone coyote in a cedar tree
two stories above the street (or two day suitcase)
three hits to the heart
four years prostrate to the higher mind
five prairie dogs and a rabbit (she hasn't run over them yet) (or a
faaaammmliy of fivvvvve..)
a table set for six
seven b-grade movies
eight hundred miles to el paso
nine girls in bars
ten million miles of road (or ten dollar raise)
eleven intimate strangers
twelve statues of lovers

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in a message dated 12/8/99 3:04:49 pm, mcunningham@pbp1.com writes:

> this is a oldie repost
>from nancy humphries about a year ago - although i'm not sure of the
>original composer to this...

credit goes to long-time listee <<i-girl>>, who is rumored to still be
hanging around.  my favorite one-line post from her:  "emily saliers is a
babe."  (you used to be able to make little pronouncements like that and not
get flamed for wasting bandwidth or making personal sexual innuendos ... ah
the good old days when the ig list was young and giddy!)

aging right along with the ig list,

heidi in nh

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yes, british petroleum was bought, but i cannot remember by whom..

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set your site up in the headlight
the moon won't be enough
light the embers of another
and the night won't seem so rough
sister...

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if you are a lesbian fan of the wnba, or if you know of specifically
lesbian-oriented websites dedicated to the wnba, please email me.  this is
for research for my thesis.
thanks,
garian

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in a message dated 12/8/99 9:43:02 am pacific standard time, slv302@aol.com
writes:

>
>  i seem to recall sometime ago some of you asking where the name "daemon"
> came
>  from for amy's record label.  i came across this article about it.  i don't
>
"daemon" is also a title used by officers of the "ferengi" on star trek...

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> >
> >  i seem to recall sometime ago some of you asking where the name "daemon"
> > came
> >  from for amy's record label.  i came across this article about it.  i don't
> >
> "daemon" is also a title used by officers of the "ferengi" on star trek...

and unix geeks will know that a "daemon" is a program that runs in the
background and does nifty things for you.

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the tribune article said that amy "sang a tribute to former sex
pistol johnny rotten." if i remember the lyrics i read, it didn't seem like
it was actually about him. did she just appropriate the name? neil young
used it too, but "hey hey my my" was definitely about johnny rotten the sex
pistol.

sarah
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on tue, 7 dec 1999, ryan blackhawke wrote:

> the important thing would be to help these developing nations reach an
> accord on basic labor rights by giving them the tools they need to stop
> abusing workers. let's set a world-wide minimum wage that is fluid enough to
> take into account cost of living in all the areas of the world.

   i agree -- however, the fortunes of many nations, the us and japan
included, have been made by embracing a world economy, not rejecting
it.  by embracing developing countries and giving them the largest
possible opportunity to sell their wares, we will help their
situation.  if the leaders of those countries are not intelligent enough
to spread the wealth, well, that's why god invented armed revolt.
   the wto organization shouldn't watch over human rights -- in fact, i'd
rather that those two things were separated.  you wouldn't want your
doctor in the employ of any one drug company, right?

> i don't think it is too much to say "ok, let's agree that children need to
> grow up to be healthy, productive citizens and they aren't going to do that
> if they are working 12 hours a day and not getting an education."
> much hoopla was made over a treaty clinton signed while he was here which
> banned the most egregious forms of child labor. only 2 other nations signed
> it out of the 135 that were there.
>
> i have suppliers who do manufacture in china. they manufacture at private
> facilities and they have to pass a stringent set of guidelines and be open
> for inspection at any time. they are reviewed yearly to make sure they are
> keeping in line. requirements include proper disposal of hazardous
> materials, no child labor, no slave labor, and a living wage for the
> workers.
>
> let's start practicing sustainable agriculture ourselves and help other
> nations do the same. (we could start with hemp) dismantle monsanto and
> dupont, for that matter. make corporations pay heavy taxes if one of the
> byproducts of their business trashes the environment (hell, i'd be happy if
> they'd just pay their taxes period).
>
> so i guess i'd have to say that maybe i am not for free trade at all. i like
> graham's thought of starting up a world labor organization. but i'd have
> doubts it would ever get as much clout considering that governments are
> owned by big business and big business only cares about profit for their
> ceo's and shareholders.
>
> ryan
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   darius

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now!"
   - bruce springsteen

"you have no idea how much it costs to look this cheap."
   - steven tyler

"slash looks like joe, joe looks like keith, i look like mick, mick looks
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> vesper evensong wrote:
>
> > >
> > >  i seem to recall sometime ago some of you asking where the name "daemon"
> > > came
> > >  from for amy's record label.  i came across this article about it.  i don't
> > >
> > "daemon" is also a title used by officers of the "ferengi" on star trek...
>
> and unix geeks will know that a "daemon" is a program that runs in the
> background and does nifty things for you.

yes, and every time someone around here mentions the printing daemon or
something, i get all funny and giggly feeling...

but i'm just a goof. i also get irritated with people refer to my
machine (which is called indigirl), as an indy girl. but this is what
happens when i work at a company that makes a machine called an indy. i
am not that enthusiastic about my company! :)

love,
amy

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>from:    sheryl jones <sjones@library.wisc.edu>
>subject: article from milwaukee journal sentinel
>
>    obviously, emily saliers and amy ray are a team that has endured and
>even thrived. but they are also very distinct and separate personalities. all
>of the songs on their new epic release, "come on now social," were written by
>one or the other. they do not co-compose. if pressed a little, saliers will
>admit that she doesn't always even know exactly what her partner's songs mean.

if pressed a little, *amy* will admit that she doesn't always know what her
own songs mean. :-)

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hi y'all,

i haven't seen setlists from many of the recent shows, at least here on the
news list, so i thought i'd post last night's.

great show by the way...here's the set:

go
trouble
reunion
get out the map
three hits
peace tonight
ozilline (w/ michelle malone)
love will come to you
scooter boys
cold beer & remote control
chickenman (w/ michelle malone)
closer to fine
i don't wanna know (w/ michelle malone)
least complicated
faye tucker
power of two
shame on you
---------------------------
airplane
compromise
galileo

as i said, great show.  they had a day off monday and were all smiles!!
great to see them in such great spirits.  the crowd was great.  sang along
where appropriate and were very respectful during the quiet songs.  hats
off to indy!!  best performance from cons: ozilline. amazing with e on
banjo, a on mandolin, and mm on guitar.  best old tune:  reunion sounded
amazing as a duo.  brings back so many memories... airplane was nice too.

see you all in bloomington!
rob

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date:         wed, 8 dec 1999 18:31:03 est
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<< credit goes to long-time listee <<i-girl>>, who is rumored to still be
hanging around.  my favorite one-line post from her:  "emily saliers is a
babe."  (you used to be able to make little pronouncements like that and not
get flamed for wasting bandwidth or making personal sexual innuendos ... ah
the good old days when the ig list was young and giddy!) >>

i still have quoted material from her hanging around my c:\drive. and i
remember what a  big rush we got from em's quote about " the girlies".  my,
my ... that was when sots was only a gleam.

jude :)

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date:         wed, 8 dec 1999 19:04:38 -0500
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argh!! my gf finally decided what she wanted for x-mass and ya might know it
it would be mm's homegrown.  now i'm somewhat attached to my copy but if
necessary i will relinquish it -- god knows she has custody of my entire
indy collection -- hell i just got stereo popsicle back from her  and the
only one she hasn't taken yet is teri binion.  so fellow listees -- i am
seeking a mm homegrown cd -- if you find one at the local concert near you i
will pay for it and postage.  if anyone in atlanta cares to stop by
watershed and pick up a copy (autographed) if they still have 'em i will
send you the moola.  all the rest of her wish list i can find from daemon
but homegrown is not on their order form and i can't find my last catalog to
see if they sold out or what. oh an' anyone in atl know what happened to
stereo pop? haven't heard from them in a while.

nan

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hmmm... perhaps i should ask this question now. i am putting together my
promotional/demo cd, and along with knowing who might be interested in
listening to it just for sheer enjoyment(?), who of y'all would be appropriate
people to send a copy to for business reasons, say they write for a mag (like
me), or work for a radio station (also like me), or just might be good
contacts to have?

also, whoever it was that said they put together the compilation album of
listees singing ig covers, i was a little too eager with the delete button and
deleted that post. could some kind soul repost that info for me? i'll finally
be home for an extended period of time and i can finally take advantage of all
my equipment being in the same place at the same time.

sorry for the nigc and the blatant self promotion,
meredith


hunterj1@aol.com wrote:
i just received a demo tape of the band out of atlanta called ad lib.  a
member, jean stewart, is/was a listmember.  outstanding tape!  anyone want a
copy?  i have four songs and each one is a gem :)  great music, wonderful
harmony.  these girrls can sing!

jude :)


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hey folks,

this was submitted to the indigo girls news-only list but
is more appropriate for these forums instead.  please
direct any responses to the original sender at
phinn31@aol.com, not to me, thanks.

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded message---
>date: wed, 8 dec 1999 19:10:00 est
>from: phinn31@aol.com
>subject: dec. 14th show
>
>in case anyone is in the louisville area, michelle malone will be doing an
in
>studio performance at the university of louisville radio station wlcv 1590
am
>at 2:30 pm...you can come down to the studio and hear/watch it.  rose
>polenzani will also be in the studio friday, dec. 10th at 4pm..any fans,
come
>on down to u of l.
>colleen
>

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heidi,

>> my favorite one-line post from her:  "emily saliers is a babe."
(you used to be able to make little pronouncements like that and not
get flamed... <<

oh yeah?  i bet you can still get away with it... watch me :)

emily saliers is a babe!

(although i have to say i'm really more of an amy girl...)

jean ;)


--- heidid4660@aol.com wrote:
> in a message dated 12/8/99 3:04:49 pm, mcunningham@pbp1.com writes:
>
> > this is a oldie repost
> >from nancy humphries about a year ago - although i'm not sure of the
> >original composer to this...
>
> credit goes to long-time listee <<i-girl>>, who is rumored to still
> be
> hanging around.  my favorite one-line post from her:  "emily saliers
> is a
> babe."  (you used to be able to make little pronouncements like that
> and not
> get flamed for wasting bandwidth or making personal sexual innuendos
> ... ah
> the good old days when the ig list was young and giddy!)
>
> aging right along with the ig list,
>
> heidi in nh
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ok, *gathers her self rightous wits about her*

how dare you waste bandwidth with that sorts of sexualizing, inane talk that
is so degrading to both you and her!!!

you don't deserve to even be a a computer that accesses an e-mail account that
is signed up to the list!

flame off and die!
love,
meredith

jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com> wrote:
heidi,

>> my favorite one-line post from her:  "emily saliers is a babe."
(you used to be able to make little pronouncements like that and not
get flamed... <<

oh yeah?  i bet you can still get away with it... watch me :)

emily saliers is a babe!

(although i have to say i'm really more of an amy girl...)

jean ;)

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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list but is more appropriate
for here instead... please direct any replies to the
original sender at vanlonkhuyzen@yahoo.com, not to me.

thanks,
sherlyn

---begin forwarded message---
>date: tue, 7 dec 1999 17:03:33 -0800 (pst)
>from: allison vanlonkhuyzen <vanlonkhuyzen@yahoo.com>
>subject: chicago concert
>
>the girls were great sunday night in chicago.
>they, of course started out with go. the crowd was
>very calm and everyone stayed seated for most of the
>show which was to bad.  all i wanted to do was dance.
>then they played trouble, which emily forgot the words
>to half way through.  it was really cute, they just
>laughed it off, and picked right back up.
>amy told us she had been watching james bond movies
>all day.  she said she liked the women in the older
>movies better because they weighed more than a 100
>pounds.  she said she could relate to them better.
>i love watching amy and emily when the crowd starts
>singing along.  they step back from their microphones
>and just beam with happiness.  they seem so genuine
>and humble, it's great!
>i was bummed they didn't play ghost but it was a great
>show.
>i can't wait to see them again in michigan.
>
>allison
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hi y'all,

it's funny...the list seems much looser and less likely to chew people out
for saying one of girls is cute, or something like that, than it used to be.
i was on the list much of '98, and there was so much fighting, flaming and
the like that i signed off.
i decided to give it another chance a couple of months ago, and have been
pleasantly suprised.
(:  thanks y'all.  (:
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bp is buying out arco. which means that the usa's largest's oil fields
will now be controlled by another country. think about it.

vesper evensong wrote:
>
> yes, british petroleum was bought, but i cannot remember by whom..
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hi. i know this has been discussed before but i forgot what was the verdict.
can someone tell me what the "logo" on the ig merchandise means?

also, can someone tell me a bit about the johnny rotton that amy sang about?

thanks y'all!

dorothy

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hey yall -

yesterday i was in a sad sort of mood.  i was sorta
just down in general...no specific reason...and was
reading through concert reviews...ahh i was so wishing
for a concert fix!!!  alas...im living vicariously
through all of you...don't concerts just leave you
feeling relaxed?  when i went to the syracuse show on
10/7  i just danced and danced - what a great time.
when i got in the car to drive home - i felt more
relaxed than i had in a long ass time - sorta like
when you get a massage!  *grin*  it's all good
stuff...

anyhoo.  point.  ok so yesterday when i was feeling a
bit down - i forced myself to go to the gym - i dont
usually have to force myself cuz i dig working out -
but yesterday took some work.  so.

it ended up being a total indigo workout.  i went to
the spinning room (bikes) and loaded up my cd's on the
stereo - cranked up the volume - got on the bike - and
just sweat my ass off.  it was great!  i was riding to
cons.  when i was finished and in the car driving to
my terp job...i felt so much better - it was so great
to just turn up ig and ride and sing along whenever i
wanted...it was all good stuff!

ig music just makes me think and feel and and - i love
it.  i'm sure y'all understand and i guess that's why
im posting here...cuz you know what i mean.

have a good night -
take good care,
sunny


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in a message dated 12/8/99 5:22:05 pm pacific standard time,
akpups@alaska.net writes:

> bp is buying out arco. which means that the usa's largest's oil fields
>  will now be controlled by another country. think about it.
>
>  vesper evensong wrote:
hmmm...will england retake the colonies?

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light the embers of another
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sister...

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hi:
hope this goes through ok. just wanted to let everyone know that i've
reopened music for the masses as a website. no more catalogs!
for those of you not familiar with mftm, i carry hard to find music and
memorabilia on indigo girls, k.d., and melissa.
please visit the site at  http://www.mftm.com
thx
rebecca
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subject:      galileo live on radioalice.com
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hey all--
forgive me if someone's already mentioned this, but a friend just told =
me that you can listen to a live performance of galileo from the breast =
cancer benefit private concert in the bay area last month on radio =
alice's website:
http://www.radioalice.com/listening_room.html   =20
you have to download liquid audio first though...

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go to www.michellemalone.com -- homegrown is on sale, buy one get one
free!

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re: michelle malone
>   i know i'm pickin' nits here, but how exactly can one conjure up the
>dark vibe that bruce had on "nebraska", (one of the darkest albums of
>all time -- acoustic music nuts, how can you listen to highway patrolman
>and not get chills?) and still not manage to crack the "sheryl crow-shawn
>colvin pop niche"?


i think the author means that in terms of commercial sales and popularity.
the main reason mm has not been vaulted into the national spotlight (as she
deserves) is because she broke her contract with arista records back in the
'80s over creative differences with the label. she was pretty much
blacklisted by the industry because of that and had to submerge her name
under band de soleil to get started again. amy helped her out during that
time, putting out the records on daemon.

there's also a regional bias against a lot of rock acts from the south --
indigo girls included. there's so much flavor and richness in the sound and
an earnest feeling about it. yet the radio stations continue to push for a
more generic sound. for example, sheryl crow may have come out of the
midwest, but she has adopted a cosmopolitan identity since her initial
success. the only reason i bought _the globe sessions_ was for the "sweet
child o' mine" track (i like the song, just can't stand axl's wailing).
she's undeniably an excellent producer, but the songs themselves lack
personality and keep you at arm's length.

anyway ... for those of you who haven't got the message from me and all
these other folks ... check out michelle malone!

april

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you can order homegrown off of michelle's website at michellemalone.com


on wed, 8 dec 1999, nancy lambert wrote:

> argh!! my gf finally decided what she wanted for x-mass and ya might know it
> it would be mm's homegrown.  now i'm somewhat attached to my copy but if
> necessary i will relinquish it -- god knows she has custody of my entire
> indy collection -- hell i just got stereo popsicle back from her  and the
> only one she hasn't taken yet is teri binion.  so fellow listees -- i am
> seeking a mm homegrown cd -- if you find one at the local concert near you i
> will pay for it and postage.  if anyone in atlanta cares to stop by
> watershed and pick up a copy (autographed) if they still have 'em i will
> send you the moola.  all the rest of her wish list i can find from daemon
> but homegrown is not on their order form and i can't find my last catalog to
> see if they sold out or what. oh an' anyone in atl know what happened to
> stereo pop? haven't heard from them in a while.
>
> nan
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hey all--yet another mini-review of tonight's ig show.  great to see them
twice in one week.  so margaret and i drive our butts to milwaukee from
chicago--i swear we both work--personal business days come in handy.  i
highly recommend the nike and gap outlet stores for those passing through
kenosha.  anyway--the concert...

the riverside theater is a cute little place--another great ig venue
--right in the middle of downtown milwaukee.  i had fifth row seats this
time around so i got to see a bit more.  the setlist was quite similar to
the chicago show which was somewhat disappointing.  the only songs they
played in milwaukee that they didn't do in chicago were andy, burn all the
letters, kid fears and wood song.  mrs fun opened as she always does in
milwuakee and played on a few songs in the ig set.  usual highlights and
observations as follows:

1) no breast issues tonight--thank goodness
2)girls looked very happy and peppy.  someone mentioned that they have been
bantering more of late--same held for tonight's show.  amy commented on a
girl in the audience holding up rating cards with all 10's.  they also had
a sign--amy and emily for president.  amy said--wow all 10's--please let us
know if it goes down--we can take it.  someone requested watershed and they
insisted that they didn't know it at all.  a girl was dancing in the aisle
pretty wildly and a and e both were cracking up in mid song.  it was
amusing.  they referred to their setlist as psychotic because it kept going
from fast song to slow to fast etc.  they told a fun story about how they
used to open for mrs fun back in nashville 15 years ago.  very chatty.
3)finally got a good look at the rest of the band.  caroline dale (unsure
of actual name), the cellist has this long flowing blonde hair that is
beautiful.  her cello is awesome as well as her celloing ability.  in
chicago i thought it had phallic trim.  the trim is the actual instrument
and it looked even more phallic up close.  i think her family was in the
auduence as she and emily kept waving to people near us who could have been
related as they too had good hair.
4) speaking of hair, the entire state of wisconsin needs a mini makeover.
i haven't seen that many feathered hairstyles since that charlies angels
re-run special.  girls,  girls, see a hairstylist!  the 80's are over! or
should i say the 70's are over.
5)speaking of wisconsinites.  love them to death, but they took this miller
brew town thing a  bit far.  i have never seen so many people leave a
concert in the middle to refill their beers in my life.  it was quite
disruptive.  i mean it wasn't lilith where you are outside for 8 hours.
these yucky women near us had way too much mgd and were literally falling
in the aisles on the way out.  i felt bad for the other milwaukee citizens.
6) back to the concert--why they chose burn all the letters in the encore
is beyond me.  not their biggest hit.  and they had guest vocalists to sing
ulali's wailing part.  who you ask--none other than caroline the cellist
and carol isaacs the keyboard pennywhistle woman.  these are very talented
women who should let's just say--leave the tribal indian chanting to the
tribal indians.  it was the low musical moment of the show hearing them do
that-oway-ee-oway-oh-woh part of the song.  i never thought i'd wish for
ulali in my life.
7)amy's intensity on johnny rotten continues to increase.  can't wait for
the final version of that.

that's it for now.  keep those reviews coming.  see ya

greg

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mel,

i, too, have found this list to be incredibly welcoming and easy going.
i just joined about 3 or 4 months ago, and think it's been great.
there have been moments ;) but for the most part people have been
really respectful of my opinions and thoughts as well as other's.

guess that's a long winded way of saying i'm all warm and fuzzy about
the list ;)

jean


--- indigo mel <melijoy@aol.com> wrote:
> hi y'all,
>
> it's funny...the list seems much looser and less likely to chew
> people out
> for saying one of girls is cute, or something like that, than it used
> to be.
> i was on the list much of '98, and there was so much fighting,
> flaming and
> the like that i signed off.
> i decided to give it another chance a couple of months ago, and have
> been
> pleasantly suprised.
> (:  thanks y'all.  (:
> -------------------------
> mel in il
>
>
>
> "if newt gingrich and jesse helms are normal--thank you, i'm queer"
>                                             leslie feinberg
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mel,

i asked the same question of the list a while back and didn't get a
single response!  lol!  so i'm also curious to know :)

jean

--- indigo mel <melijoy@aol.com> wrote:
> "and who would take out the dominican republic
> and send god's sweet children floating down a poison stream"
>
> i know this is something i should know...but...what's ms. saliers
> referring
> to here?
> thanks in advance,
> mel
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rofl!

thanks meredith,

love, jean


--- meredith matthews <singeralto@usa.net> wrote:
> ok, *gathers her self rightous wits about her*
>
> how dare you waste bandwidth with that sorts of sexualizing, inane
> talk that
> is so degrading to both you and her!!!
>
> you don't deserve to even be a a computer that accesses an e-mail
> account that
> is signed up to the list!
>
> flame off and die!
> love,
> meredith
>
>
>
> jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com> wrote:
> heidi,
>
> >> my favorite one-line post from her:  "emily saliers is a babe."
> (you used to be able to make little pronouncements like that and not
> get flamed... <<
>
> oh yeah?  i bet you can still get away with it... watch me :)
>
> emily saliers is a babe!
>
> (although i have to say i'm really more of an amy girl...)
>
> jean ;)
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homegrown is available through daemon...just go to the order form it's right
up there at the top section...:)  or order it from michelle...or better yet
get to a michelle concert and buy one...:)...that is a general remake i know
you said you can't make it to any...

peace

jo

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gregg flame writes  <<keep those reviews coming>>

i second the motion.  all in favor?  anyone?
i just love reading all the fascinating emails. :-)

peace,

barb

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april - thanks for posting this...i didn't know about this! michelle is
absolutely wonderful so if you haven't - check her out. devil moon and
homegrown are my faves :) and if you can't find a copy of it anywhere else -
you can always resort to the corporate giant amazon.com. i mail-ordered from
michellemalone.com and it took quite awhile - but i did get my copy of
homegrown autographed :) i thought daemon had it too the other day when i was
poking around...
:) lisa
<< the main reason mm has not been vaulted into the national spotlight (as she
deserves) is because she broke her contract with arista records back in the
'80s over creative differences with the label. she was pretty much
blacklisted by the industry because of that and had to submerge her name
under band de soleil to get started again. amy helped her out during that
time, putting out the records on daemon. >>

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subject:      wanted:  chicago 12/5 boot

did i read and delete a message earlier this week where someone said they
have a boot of the recent chicago show?  the show was so good, i'd love
to be able to relive it.  i have a boot to trade, so if anyone has one
please, please, please contact me!

jeanne
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>>she wouldn't even have to say anything :) especially with those
blonde highlights and the tight pants...<<

yikes!  and we were worried about saying emily was a babe?  lol!

jean
(who agrees completely, but nevermind that... lol)

--- lisa r <lisa071573@aol.com> wrote:
> carla wrote:
> << "the beautiful ladies walk right by you know i never know what to
> say"...well how about "hi i'm amy ray"...would it take anymore than
> that
> really...does she really have this problem...i think not... >>
>
> heehee :) she wouldn't even have to say anything :) especially with
> those
> blonde highlights and the tight pants...
>
> lisa :)
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hi

this is from the jan '00 issue of college music journal: new music monthly,
with kid rock on the cover.  it's in the context of an interesting opinion
piece on activism and art in music, about how you're either an artist or
commercial and rarely do the twain meet anymore, and that music is more
corporate than counterculture.  the spectre of those '60s glory days of
activism and music hangs over the article and frames it.  he uses kid rock
as his example of an artist who just doesn't care, but the issue is
splashed with his face: on the cover, on a full page photograph, and a half
page photograph.  the artist he criticizes most is the one selling the
magazine, which detracts from the validity of the argument--or perhaps just
goes to show how right he is about commerce.  these are just relevant
excerpts.

does music matter anymore?
by michael azerrad, pp. 32-39, 77.

...
"as soon as something cool appears on the media radar screen, it's snatched
and injected straight into the mainstream--today's techno is tomorrow's bmw
commercial.
somehow, this wormhole straight from obscurity to ubiquity bypasses the
mainstream music media.  "the cover of rolling stone always has to be
someone who's commercially successful in a mainstream way rather than
interesting, cutting edge coverage of who's really making things happen,"
says indigo girl amy ray, referring to an approach propagated by many
entertainment magazines.  "and [then] they talk about how there's nothign
going on by not telling people that there _is_ something going on."

[... he goes on to talk about ignored music scenes, rave culture,
commercial radio targeting and pigeonholding its audience]

"in another, wonderful way, pigeonholing allows musicians to have a very
powerful impact, if only on a very specific group of people.
music, ray feels, means something when it celebrates some aspect of your
community.  "i think music means something because of that," she says,
"because it still is that to a lot of people.  i don't think music means
much whe we're talking about hte massive scales of hype and stuff, when it
gets lost completely in consumerism and image and it's all about profit and
selling and there's not much there for people to hang on to."

...
[beastie boy adam h.'s speaking up about the woodstock rapes on the mtv
music awards, then]

"people have to learn how to use the influence they have or the money that
they have, the resources, if they really want to do good," says ray.  "and
have some courage about it--and not be afraid of what your audience is
going to think of you if you do this and that."
...
"activism and political thought and even feminism sort of got commodified
in the last 20 years... it's all about demographics and sales," says ray.
"so that ends up making it look like there's these fragmented populations
of people that are being spoken for.  but they're really just being sold to."
the way amy ray sees it, most fans see ratm for its unrelentingly
aggressive music and couldn't give a fig about its politics.  "they don't
know what the fuck they're talkin' about," says ray.  "it's this guy
standing beside you, one minute he's talking about disenfranchisement and
he's screaming these lyrics but he's going to go home and... he's into the
band for a different reason."  mattering in a political sense then, has
become just another way that a band can distinguish itself in a crowded
marketplace."

****
end.
****
amy has by far the best commentary on what he's saying, and she's quoted
many times, but probably out of context to support a rather weak thesis.

cmj isn't as notoriously bad as rolling stone and spin, but...
my beef with this article is, a) it's in one of those mainstream media
magazines ray criticizes, b) she's the only woman quoted, except for a kim
gordon soundbyte c) despite being quoted extensively, there are no
photographs of her at all (unlike dicky barret and moby), proving it's all
either boys or fashionable t&a that get visual coverage.

however, there *is* a small face shot picture of kaia wilson (go butchies!)
and a box with a good quote or two, and they consistently review good
women-fronted bands.  and amy is obviously seen as an authority, at least
by the author.

luv, h
np: the smiths, "singles"

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indigo girls mix fine new material with their classics

              outstanding backup band adds to the excitement

              by gemma tarlach
              of the journal sentinel staff

              last updated: dec. 8, 1999

              the indigo girls have always believed "rock is cool, but
the struggle is better."

              such was the guiding principle of their wednesday night
show at the riverside theatre, which drew a near capacity crowd of more
than 2,000.

              the indigos kicked off the concert with the anthemic call
to arms, "go," also the opening track on their recently released epic
album "come on
              now social."

              from there, the singing/strumming amy ray and emily
saliers alternated slow and fast songs drawn from the span of their
nearly two decade
              career.

              the indigos played down their arguably biggest hit,
"closer to fine," nestling it midway through the set. not that they were
wanting for material.
              newer songs - particularly the unrequited love ballad
"andy," which spotlights saliers' gossamer soprano, and the poppy "peace
tonight" - stood
              up well next to classics such as "least complicated" and
the roadhouse stomper "i don't wanna know."

              augmenting the indigos' solid folkies-gone-rock song craft
and hard-working stage presence, an outstanding backup band - including
cellist
              caroline dale, who whipped out a few wicked solos - added
extra shine to the tunes.

              although ray complained between songs about the media
pigeonholing the indigos, the simple truth is that an earnest do-goodism
permeates the
              duo's material, and to ignore it would be to hollow out
their core.

              in its finest moments, the indigos' sincerity reveals a
universal truth or two, as in the slice-of-real-life "cold beer and
remote control" or the
              evening's third and final encore, "galileo."

              unchecked, however, ray in particular falls prey to the
excessive heart wringing - witness the self-righteous "faye tucker" -
usually confined to
              open mike night at college campus poetry houses.

              aptly named opening duo mrs. fun makes their giddy jazz
accessible even for those not wild about the genre. tunes such as the
instrumental
              "lulu's walk" and glib "everybody wants to be somebody
else's lover" rock 'n' rollicked. keyboardist connie grauer and drummer
kim zick
              even sassed up "jingle bells" in the spirit of the season.

              saliers and ray added to the fun by joining the duo on
stage for their set closer, the jazz rap "undecided."


                                           appeared in the milwaukee
journal sentinel on dec. 9, 1999.

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>>if i remember the lyrics i read, it didn't seem like it was actually
about him.<<

i don't think it is a song about him actually.  that statement in the
review made me go "huh?".  seems to me, that like many of amy's songs,
it's social commentary:

"as i child we called him rotten
til he was lonely and forgotten
he relives out constant jeering
with his every word and deed..."

i think that this is a song about treating people with respect, and
what can happen to someone when they are neglected or forgotten by
society.  yeah he's a bad guy ("this is one soul god don't need..."),
but look what we did as a society to make him that way.

just my 2 cents.

jean

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> the tribune article said that amy "sang a tribute to former sex
> pistol johnny rotten." if i remember the lyrics i read, it didn't
> seem like
> it was actually about him. did she just appropriate the name? neil
> young
> used it too, but "hey hey my my" was definitely about johnny rotten
> the sex
> pistol.
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> sarah
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listee melissa g. was wonderful enough to send me three new ig shows to share with y'all.  let me know if you want them.

as always, i'll need a blank and return postage but you can save your $ if you want to set up a trade.

let me know.

jude :)

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i think this all so silly...isn't this the point of the mailing list?!
to be able to say how we feel about anything?!  if y'all wanna flame me
go right on ahead...but i'll say it here and i'll say it anywhere else
too...
   amy is a babe.....
peace and love,
        carrie

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i'll only say this once so listen up:

        i wouldn't kick either one of them out of my bed
        for eating crackers ;->

ryan

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>
> i think this all so silly...isn't this the point of the mailing list?!
> to be able to say how we feel about anything?!  if y'all wanna flame me
> go right on ahead...but i'll say it here and i'll say it anywhere else
> too...
>    amy is a babe.....

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if anyone has the setlists from the mn and eau claire shows, can you
please email them to me privately? lifeblood doesn't have them posted
yet, and i'm trying to update my web page.

thanks!
amy

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to bring up an old issue:

why have i read that many artists support the mp3 movement because it gives
them the exposure they need but can't get unless signed up with a major
label? and why is it the major labels trying to shut down the mp3 movement
even though the artists want it?

ryan

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  > and the people it hurts the most tend to be the
> people you want
> to support.

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well... my partner gets his music out on the net via mp3's...

i think the reason is $$$$$ the major record labels want to control all the
money people make off their music. and, there is also the issue of people making
mp3's of published music and giving away or selling it. copyright problem, etc.

mp3's get around that. the really dumb thing is that most of the small indie
artists who use mp#s give them away free anyways...

so, obviously, since making and selling mp3's of copyrifhted songs is *already*
illegal, it seems like the major label movement to shut out mp3's is targeted
more at the indie artists.

so there's no money being made! but they still care.

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>
>to bring up an old issue:
>
>why have i read that many artists support the mp3 movement because it gives
>them the exposure they need but can't get unless signed up with a major
>label? and why is it the major labels trying to shut down the mp3 movement
>even though the artists want it?
>
>ryan
>
>> -----original message-----
>  > and the people it hurts the most tend to be the
>> people you want
>> to support.
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i, too, was supportive of mp3 for the indie artists (and some of the major label
artists) who want to get their music heard.  that is, until recently when on the
indiegrrl list someone pointed out that they haven't really had any boost in cd
sales from having their stuff on mp3, since most people who download music are
looking for free stuff, not to find new artists to *buy* cds from.  it's a tough
issue, because it does give bands some promotion.  however, who's going to buy
the cow if they can get the milk for free?

if places like mp3.com would let you post clips instead of the whole thing, i
think more people would be jumping at it for promotional purposes.  i've even
heard of some folks using mp3.com to test new material before they do the final
mix and put it on a cd.  that way, you'd have to buy the cd to get the real
deal.  or, they'll just put up one song for a short while, and maybe switch it
with something else later on.  i don't know what the best thing is, but i do
know that the folks i've been talking with who have been ardent supporters of
mp3.com and the likes are beginning to question if they are really doing all
that these sites said they would be doing for the bands.

think of it this way, if someone were to take your product, whatever it is, and
break it up in to individual and unique parts, which in and of themselves
constitute a whole, then distribute it freely among all of your customers, would
you be very happy about this?  even if this meant that everyone knew who you
were and what you have to offer.  do you really think someone would then want to
pay for your product?

these songs that get posted on napster and other mp3 download sites are
copyrighted material and the product of someone's artistic *work*.  this free
distribution of music is just like taking tom clancy's latest novel, scanning
it, and posting it to the web for anyone to download.  it's called stealing.

anna
(who just wrote a long paper on mp3 for her legal aspects of the music industry
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hey y'all,
my girlfriend and i are also going to the atlanta shows...both of them. =)
we're interested in going to the listmeets that are set up.  i think that after
the show, even though it'll be late, is probably better because of the shows
being general admission and some people wanting to be in line kind of early.
also, we are both under 21, so if it is possible to find a place to meet that
won't card under 21, that would be great too!  we're in south carolina so not
all that familiar with restaruants and such in atlanta, but we're open to about
any ideas.  if anything is decided, could someone send us directions to the
place too?  thanks. =)
by the way, what time are those of you who have general admission tickets
planning to get in line?

sharon

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in one word: greed
in two words:  greedy commercialism
any more than that and i'll have to write an essay.

nan


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> behalf of ryan blackhawke
> sent: thursday, december 09, 1999 3:58 pm
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> subject: re: napster & mp3
>
>
> to bring up an old issue:
>
> why have i read that many artists support the mp3 movement
> because it gives
> them the exposure they need but can't get unless signed up with a major
> label? and why is it the major labels trying to shut down the mp3 movement
> even though the artists want it?
>
> ryan
>
> > -----original message-----
>   > and the people it hurts the most tend to be the
> > people you want
> > to support.
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here's a thought:  how 'bout we all converge on watershed

oh ok no maybe not

ya you're right that would be a bit too much

ok alright no not a good idea

all i know of is where i've been in my few trips up there
anything is cool with me and heather, hate to break it to ya, but i'm
drivin' - it's my car - we can go anywhere (don't mind that ig music blaring
outa tha speakers ;) at any time so be prepared for lack of sleep!!!!!!!!!
(j/k)

sorry y'all just so damn excited about being done with finals!!!!!!!!!  and
i think i may have even managed to pull a 4.0 out of the whole freakin'
mess.

how 'bout a breakfast meeting on saturday for those staying that long?

heather and i will be staying on the perimeter since i wanna ride the cobb
co. trail.  and as usual kinko's will be my friend for checking e-mail.  i
could act as a hub of information if its needed.  ya know, collect e-mail
addys of attendees, get word from the locals (michael c.) about where to
meet, and since i'll have the day off from work i can leave my cell phone on
or y'all can just stop by the tab coz more than likely heather and i will be
outside waiting (but crack o'dawn, right heather?) or at least one of us
will be.

michael c.- let me know if ya need any help

nan

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new info (via the newsgroup)
anyone know where one can order this on the web?
anyone want to obtain me said disc?
it's being auctioned on ebay at the mo, but i'm sure it can be bought new
still...

"a radio station in minneapolis has just released a cd with a live version
of
peace tonight... just amy and emily, stripped down, sounds great! there are
also other wonderful tracks from sheryl crow, jude, barenaked ladies, and
many
others!"

     "104.1 the point"

     "all of these tracks are live either in the point's studios, at an
intimate point encounter, or a point acoustic show... needless to say, you
can't get these songs anywhere else! track listing:

          barenaked ladies: the old apartment
          sheryl crow: my favorite mistake
          the honeydogs: i miss you
          jude: i'm sorry now

          indigo girls: peace tonight

          fastball: fire escape
          shawn mullins: lullaby
          kathleen wilhoite: symphony
          duncan sheik: barely breathing
          fleming and john: ugly girl
          the verve pipe: generations
          stretch princess: sorry
          dido: here with me
          sixpence none the richer: kiss me"

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--- indigo mel <melijoy@aol.com> wrote:
> "and who would take out the dominican republic
> and send god's sweet children floating down a poison stream"
>

hey y'all, something tells me she's talking about our fine government
and its secretive assistance of other countries who do these bizarre
things to people!

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--- indigo mel <melijoy@aol.com> wrote:
> "and who would take out the dominican republic
> and send god's sweet children floating down a poison stream"

hey y'all...
take this line in the context of the first part
of the verse:

"hurricane flag flappin' in a bad storm
same color..etc..."

anyone remember the hurricane sometime last year
that wiped out the dominican republic (or maybe it
was another central american country)?  there were
mudslides and the water supply was poisoned...so
many people died.  i think she was saying, "what
kind of god would allow his own children to suffer so
terribly?"  it ties in to the whole religious theme later
in the verse.

-- angela
date: sun, 19 dec 1999 14:26:02 +0000
from: "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8d)" <listserv@netspace.org>
subject:      file: "indigo-girls log9912b"
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you are complaining about this?  oh ye of the unworthy.  i would kiss emily's
green suede shoes to hear this song live.  emily wails....


on thu, 9 dec 1999, greg flamer wrote:

> why they chose burn all the letters in the encore
> is beyond me.  not their biggest hit.  and they had guest vocalists to sing
> ulali's wailing part.  who you ask--none other than caroline the cellist
> and carol isaacs the keyboard pennywhistle woman.  these are very talented
> women who should let's just say--leave the tribal indian chanting to the
> tribal indians.  it was the low musical moment of the show hearing them do
> that-oway-ee-oway-oh-woh part of the song.  i never thought i'd wish for
> ulali in my life.

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--- vivo de milagro <115_17@asu.edu> wrote:
> you can order homegrown off of michelle's website at
> michellemalone.com
>
>
allow 6-8 weeks for delivery

which is why i ordered michelle's christmas cd from
daemon expecting it to arrive last weekend.

lori (who is getting nervous)


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i just thought you'd all like to know that cons is #1 of the world cafe albums.  i don't know how they determine the top 10, but ig came out on top!  :-)

:-) karen (who really wishes her fave karaoke bar in osaka had at least one ig song. . .)

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i'm on digest, so don't know if a setlist has already been posted... here
'tis, just in case.

go
trouble
i don't wanna know
peace tonight
scooter boys
soon be to nothing (the guitar work on this was sooooooooooo pretty)
ozillene
cold beer & remote control
dead man's hill (i can't freakin' believe they played this!!! they said
they had to get out the songbook and relearn it, and that they totally
remember what it's like to have to learn songs out of those songbooks
where a lot of the chords are wrong -- "hey, this neil young song isn't
supposed to sound like this!" it sounded *great*.)
closer to fine
shed your skin
power of two
sister
least complicated
faye tucker (more intense than last night, even. just... wow.)
get out the map
shame on you

encore:
gone again
do you wanna touch (with the butchies) (this killed me, even though i was
expecting it. i think a lot of the audience, being a college crowd and
all, was too young to really recognize & appreciate it... but it was
totally fun.)
("and now for the song you've all been waiting for...")galileo

the butchies were lots of fun, and the crowd was great, i thought. both
amy & emily seemed to be enjoying themselves and we got a lot of "thanks
for singing!" and "thanks for listening!" on the way offstage amy gave a
big thumbs-up -- i couldn't tell if it was directed at a specific person
or at the audience in general -- but they seemed pretty happy with the
response they got. i had the best seats i've ever had for an ig show (9th
row). after two shows in a week, i really wish i could catch a few more.
:) i wish i'd gotten to hear johnny rotten at one of them, but i loved
everything i did hear, so hey, life is good.

cheers,

-anne

         "hey you with your words undone, i'll be the powerful one.
   i'm ready to leave all this wreckage behind me."  -rose polenzani, "or"
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for those in the atlanta area, that wanted to go to the special show at the
star bar on thursday, dec 16th, at 3:00 pm, there are still some passes
available at the radio station.

to recap, you need to have bought the project x cd box set (still available
at best buys for $19.99).  take the "big ticket" from inside that box set to
the radio station between the hours of 8:30-5:30 monday through friday.  you
can get directions to the radio station at http://www.99x.com (on the
contacts page).

and they'll give you a pass for two people to get into the show at the star
bar.

=)
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i still wanna go... ok i need to get a grip
atlanta is out of the question for little ol' me  i can only dream of
the day that i move to the city of my dreams....  hope fully by the end
of this year.... sorry i know it's off the subject but i had to
share...lol
envious of everyone in atlanta,
              carrie

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>from glaadalert

teen people's lesbian and gay role models

ten gay and lesbian celebrities are prominently featured in the december
1999/january 2000 issue of teen people. the article, "out of the dark,"
carries the subhead: "meet ten gay and lesbian stars who found peace,
happiness - and success - after they dared to tell the truth." what follows
are thoughtful profiles that provide teen people's young readers,
regardless of their sexual orientation or gender identity, with positive
images and insights about same-sex feelings, being in the closet, coming
out and experiencing life after doing so.

profiled are singers amy ray and emily saliers of the indigo girls, actor
dan pintauro, director/writer kevin williamson, skater rudy galindo, actor
wilson cruz, singer stephan gately of the musical group boyzone, actor
rupert everett, actress anne heche and author/activist chastity bono.

while talking about coming out or being open, the celebrities cover both
the positive and negative. williamson (dawson's creek, scream, wasteland)
says, "if anything, it's helped me. when you tell the truth about who you
are, it can only help." cruz (party of five, my so-called life) spoke of
how his father threw him out after he spoke about his sexuality.  everett
(an ideal husband, my best friend's wedding) talks about how being openly
gay has not limited his roles, a common fear in hollywood. on the other
hand, heche (six days, seven nights) reports that her coming out and her
relationship with ellen degeneres have made for a difficult transition. she
also says although roles are not being offered as much, "i could never hide
any part of myself, no matter what the consequences."

please thank teen people for providing positive role models for youth and
these honest looks at being openly lesbian and gay - both the good aspects
and the sometimes difficult results.

contact: ms. christina ferrari, managing editor, teen people, p.o. box 999,
radio city station, new york, n.y. 10101-0999; e-mail:
letters@teenpeople.com

the glaadalert is the bi-weekly activation tool of the gay & lesbian
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i have an idea.  why don't we all meet at the omni hotel across the street for
both nights.  there is a bar in the lobby called latitudes which is open until 2
am.

we could meet there, have a drink, check out the id situation, then move on to a
better place if we don't like it.  i think it would be good if we had an easy
location to get to at first so we could at least collect
each other and decide from there.

the only thing is if we go somewhere else, i would need a ride back and forth to
the hotel because i
don't drive and i'll be cabbing it around while i'm there.

what do you think about the omni - good idea for a start place?

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hey folks.
i know this is a really really really really long shot, but hey, i can be an
optimist, can't i? yeah, so are there any ig folks out there in
columbus/ohio who, um, might have an extra seat for the big room and are
looking for a fellow fan to attend the show with them? (i know in 97 they
gave out 2 tix for each winner--i had a classmate who went--i just wasn't
lucky enough with the phone thing, just like this year).
yeah, well, i just thought i'd try. :) for those of you going, have enough
fun for all of us, okay?
thanks!
peace,
becky

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hey, i noticed on ebay that there is a video of the 11/1/99 show in
phoenix.  i started bidding on it, but it's getting ridiculous.  does
anyone have a video or know of one from this tour?  i'm more than happy
to trade.  i have lots of stuff.  thanks.
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hey,
i am gonna be in atl for the shows - but i am not going on thurs so i'll have a free afternoon.  if anyone has an extra ticket, i'll pay you $10 for it and that'd cover half the box set price.  if not, no biggie.  just thought i'd ask since i'll be in town anyway.  :)

amanda

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reprinted w/o permission:

wire:12/10/1999 12:26:00 et
original band member rick danko dies at 56

woodstock, n.y. (ap) _ rick
danko, who went from bob dylan's
backup band to the rock and roll hall
of fame as a bassist and  singer with the
band, died this morning in his home.

it was not immediately known what
caused danko's death, which  came a
day after his 56th birthday. ike phillips, a
friend and  general manager of woodstock radio station
wdst-fm, said danko died  in his sleep.

original members of the band _ danko, levon helm,
garth hudson,  robbie robertson and the late richard
manuel _ were inducted into  the rock and roll hall of
fame in 1994.

born into a musical family in simcoe, ontario, danko quit
school  at 14 to play in rock 'n' roll bands. at 17, he
joined ronnie  hawkins and the hawks, whose members
included the musicians who  would later become the
band.

the group spent the early 1960s touring the bar and club
circuit  in canada and the south. after splitting up with
hawkins in the  mid-60s, danko and his bandmates
played backup for bob dylan after  the folk musician
unveiled his "electric" sound that launched the  folk rock
era.

during the dylan years, danko rented a pink house in
west  saugerties, near woodstock. the group's debut
album as the band _  "music from big pink" _ was
recorded there and became a hit after  its 1968 release.

vocals by danko, helm and manuel contributed to the
band's  unique sound, and danko sang on the group's
signature songs such as  "the weight," "up on cripple
creek" and "the night they drove  old dixie down."

the band went on to play musical festivals including the
original woodstock in bethel in 1969.

"i remember landing _ i never flew in a helicopter before
_ and  seeing 500,000 people sitting in the field," he told
the  associated press this year.

after the band split up following its famous "last waltz"
concert in 1976, danko went on to a solo career. the
band stayed  retired until 1983, when all the original
members except robertson  began to tour again. three
years later, manuel hanged himself in a  winter park, fla.,
hotel room.

in recent years danko, helm and hudson reformed the
band at  various times. their last recording was "jericho"
in 1993.

two years ago this week, danko was found guilty of
smuggling  heroin into japan. he received a suspended
sentence.

information on funeral arrangements was not immediately
                  available.

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i'd love to know if this is around, too.
thanks for any info,

kc
> hey, i noticed on ebay that there is a video of the 11/1/99 show in
> phoenix.  i started bidding on it, but it's getting ridiculous.  does
> anyone have a video or know of one from this tour?  i'm more than happy
> to trade.  i have lots of stuff.  thanks.
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i got this from my other mailing list. a very sad day.

<this was in the denver post today, thought some may find it interesting,
yet disappointing at the same time.>

december 10, 05:15 est

hawaii ends drive for gay marriage

by jean christensen
associated press writer
honolulu (ap) — the hawaii supreme court has effectively ended the
drive to legalize gay marriage in a state once considered one of the most
likely to accept same-sex unions.

in a ruling thursday, the court said the effort by homosexual couples was
rendered moot by a 1998 amendment to the state constitution overwhelmingly
approved by voters. the amendment gave lawmakers the authority to limit
state-recognized marriages to opposite-sex couples.

''thank you to the hawaii supreme court for affirming what we've known all
along — that marriage, by god's definition, is between opposite-sex
couples,'' said mike gabbard, chairman of the alliance for traditional
marriage.

the high court considered an appeal of a lower court ruling that the state
could not justify its 1994 ban on same-sex marriages. the judge in the case
had ordered the state to grant marriage licenses to gay couples, but delayed
the order pending the appeal.


lawmakers later drafted the amendment giving them the authority to pass the
ban. voters approved the proposal by a 2-to-1 margin last year.

many in hawaii's gay community expected the high court to grant equal
protections to homosexuals, said sue reardon, a kailua high school teacher
who wants to marry her female partner.

''the people's vote was based on fear and a lack of knowledge and
understanding,'' said reardon, who was not a plaintiff. ''but the supreme
court is expected to understand, or at least to be knowledgeable of, civil
rights.

''this is a sad day for hawaii.''


vermont's high court is now the only one in the nation currently facing the
question of whether same-sex marriage should be legal.

the hawaii case drew attention after a 1993 state supreme court ruling that
said the state's failure to recognize gay marriages amounted to gender
discrimination.

the ruling set off preemptive legislating around the nation. at least 30
states banned gay marriages, and congress passed the defense of marriage
act, which denied federal recognition of homosexual marriage and allowed
states to ignore same-sex unions licensed elsewhere.

the ruling also led hawaii lawmakers to pass the 1994 ban on gay marriage.
what the court did this week was find that last year's amendment made the
1994 law valid, meaning the relief sought by the plaintiffs no longer
existed and their case was moot.


''it's very difficult to see how they arrived at this decision,'' plaintiff
joseph melillo said. ''it's really a cop-out.''


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hey all--does anyone have the setlist from the omaha show?  i was there,
but i can't remember whatt order the songs were in.  thanks!
~kelly woodward

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fairiegirl you said it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!,  it  is a sad
day.......boy......oh boy.....that sucks!   as pete seeger  wrote,
"when will they ever learn?"  kuh  sheesh.
well at least those right wing bozoz are happy!

no peace

barb

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>from: memememi@aol.com <memememi@aol.com>
>

>for those in the atlanta area, that wanted to go to the special show at the
>star bar on thursday, dec 16th, at 3:00 pm, there are still some passes
>available at the radio station.

thanks for posting this.  i'd given up on it after somebody else said they'd
already run out.  i just got mine, #83.  so that means that they still have 17
two-person passes left as of 2pm on friday.

ron
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hkf's,

here's the plan that me & cathy came up with.  after the show for both
nights, we will all meet in the cnn center at a lounge called latitudes.
it's open until 2am and you don't have to worry about being carded or
anything.  from there we can head out if we want or just chill there.  it's
practically across the street from the tabernacle (152 luckie st.) so that's
why it should be convenient for everybody.

i made up a quick web page that has a map and a neat-o picture of inside the
tabernacle.  so here's my 'listee atlanta' page:
http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/listmeet.html

and let us know if you have any other ideas of where to go from there.  but
for right now, simpler is better until some other idea comes up.

thanks for your time.
cya thursday afternoon & evening!
-mike
a+e=ig

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>subject: nigc :kelly hogan
>
>hey everyone,
>i've been wanting to find out more about kelly hogan since i saw her in
>jcs - amazing voice.  does anyone know if she has a website or albums i
>could possibly get in australia?
>any help appreciated, sorry about the nigc.

<http://www.kellyhogan.com>

good news from the site:  "kelly has finished recording the new album, and
is in the process of mixing it. she reports that special guests on the
record include: edith frost, neko case, deanna varagona, ana egge, and john
wesley harding. release date is march 7th, 2000 (most likely)."

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is it now too late to get tickets?

ron mcbay wrote:

> >from: memememi@aol.com <memememi@aol.com>
> >
>
> >for those in the atlanta area, that wanted to go to the special show at the
> >star bar on thursday, dec 16th, at 3:00 pm, there are still some passes
> >available at the radio station.
>
> thanks for posting this.  i'd given up on it after somebody else said they'd
> already run out.  i just got mine, #83.  so that means that they still have 17
> two-person passes left as of 2pm on friday.
>
> ron
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if anyone does have tickets to that star bar show thursday aftternoon in atlanta and can't go, i'd be glad to try to "bid" on them or somethin....(even though i seem to be quite broke at the moment...haha) ....we can't make it to atlanta to get tickets and are dyin' to
go, so if anyone does have any please let me know.
thanks,
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rick danko is dead. he died this morning, the day after his 56th birthday.

don't you dare let me catch you saying 'rick who??'

rick was the bass player and co-lead vocal dude in the band, one of maybe 5
60s us acts that could rival the beatles (bob dylan, the byrds, the beach
boys and harry nilsson are the others) for musicality and originality.

oh, and he played bass on a could of come on now social songs, but that's
not important right now.

and ohmygod that voice. he's up there with nick drake, carl wilson and, well
i can't think of anyone else, as one of the few male vocalists who can
convey real  emotion....

some essential rick vocals:
twilight (the band - b-side)
the weight (on ringo starr's all-starr band 1, oddly enough...)
it makes no difference (from the band 'northern lights - southern cross')
blind willie mctell (from the band - 'jericho')

everyone should have some kind of band cd in their collection.

he and garth hudson (also on cons) played near here a month or so ago. we
planned to go, but i'm ashamed and dissapointed now to say that we couldn't.
he will be missed.

we now return to your regularly sheduled igslist...

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please oh please my friend andy just admitted that she was an ig fan.  does
anyone have any extra ga tix?  for friday and thursday night?  does tm still
have them avail?

nan

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i don't know if anyone answered this yet...i'm finally reading my digests :)
this line always reminds me of pat robertson (or buchanan - though it is my
theory these are one in the same) and how he said something like a hurricane
(hurricane flag flapping in a bad storm) was going to hit florida (where is
the dominican republic?? i'm terrible at geography...) because disneyworld
was holding gay days...that's what i think of but i don't know what it really
means...

<<
"and who would take out the dominican republic
and send god's sweet children floating down a poison stream"

i know this is something i should know...but...what's ms. saliers referring
to here? >>


oh and for everyone who thinks amy is looking mighty sexy these days (and
emily, too, she was looking gorgeous in berkeley :) you should've seen
melissa last night in san francisco - short blond wispy hair, tight black
top, tight silver leather pants - oh my :)

:) oh and jean moses rocks!

:) lisa

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they've been playing this one of late... they did it live in the studio for
a netradio interview recently.  that should be up on the netradio site
soon; the interviewer used my ig index for research and said he would let
me know when it's available.

at 02:12 pm 12/10/99 , you wrote:
>from:    vivo de milagro <115_17@asu.edu>
>subject: re: ig milwaukee show of wednesday eve
>
>you are complaining about this?  oh ye of the unworthy.  i would kiss emily's
>green suede shoes to hear this song live.  emily wails....
>
>
>on thu, 9 dec 1999, greg flamer wrote:
>
> > why they chose burn all the letters in the encore
> > is beyond me.  not their biggest hit.  and they had guest vocalists to sing
> > ulali's wailing part.


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>from:    anna creech <creechal@jmu.edu>
>subject: re: napster & mp3
>
>i, too, was supportive of mp3 for the indie artists (and some of the major
>label
>artists) who want to get their music heard.  that is, until recently when
>on the
>indiegrrl list someone pointed out that they haven't really had any boost
>in cd
>sales from having their stuff on mp3, since most people who download music are
>looking for free stuff, not to find new artists to *buy* cds from.

that may be true, but...

>   it's a tough
>issue, because it does give bands some promotion.  however, who's going to buy
>the cow if they can get the milk for free?

i don't believe this part of the argument holds.  i don't think that music
uploaded to mp3.com with no additional promotional effort either helps or
hurts an artist.  many people may download the music and never buy it, but
these people would not have bought it anyway.  to me, the best use of sites
like mp3.com is to take advantage of their disk space and put pointers to
it from your own web site.

>if places like mp3.com would let you post clips instead of the whole thing, i
>think more people would be jumping at it for promotional purposes.

again, i disagree.  if all of "gone again" were uploaded to mp3.com, that's
not going to keep me from buying the album it's on (you don't have to
upload an entire album, do you?).  to me, that *is* a sample.

>these songs that get posted on napster and other mp3 download sites are
>copyrighted material and the product of someone's artistic *work*.  this free
>distribution of music is just like taking tom clancy's latest novel, scanning
>it, and posting it to the web for anyone to download.  it's called stealing.

napster, from what i've read, is a horrible concept which basically
encourages breach of copyright.  but there are responsible mp3 sites and
utilities.

i can also tell you that although i have the ability to download mp3's,
convert them to cda, and burn them to cd, i have never done it... even if i
lacked the moral sense to keep me from doing it, it's really not practical
(and those mp3 players don't store enough music to be of use to me).  when
you consider the effort involved, i still can't really get the milk for
free, even if i wanted to. :-)

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could someone post or repost these lists?
thanks!

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i just saw toy story with my little brother and had
forgotten all about the ig references until the little
green dinosaur screamed "it's the chickenman!". i had
to use a lot of effort not to break out into the
chickenman song. and of course the amy, emily, and
andy references. and buzz's "that's where i need to
go".
i'm almost convinced that these aren't coincidences.

i've been listening to the "andy" song and i can only
imagine it now as emily is a toy and she's singing to
her kid owner andy. "andy do you love me?" and "andy
will you break me?". its funny because in the movie
andy accidently break's woody's arm.  even has a
cowboy theme for woody! they should have had that song
in the movie :) did anyone catch any other ig
references?

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hello!

wonderful show again last night!!!  a nice mixup from tuesday in indy.  if
anyone out there went to milwaukee, chicago, etc. i don't think the
setlists have been posted and i'd love to see them!  (hint, hint)

anyway, the set from last night (should be in order)

go
trouble
i don't wanna know
peace tonight
scooter boys
soon be to nothing
ozilline
cold beer & remote control
dead man's hill
closer to fine
shed your skin
power of two
sister
least complicated
faye tucker
get out the map
shame on you
---------------------------
gone again
do you wanna touch? (w/the butchies)
galileo

dead man's hill was awesome...they said the had to relearn it from the
songbook and it looked like amy was giving emily a quick refresher before
it started ("sorry y'all...team meeting) everythnig else was also grand,
crowd was nice during sister and amy said so. ozilline and faye tucker are
unbelieveable live.

round three in columbus tomorrow!  finally my home state!!  indigohio!!!

see y'all there!
rob

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sold out show!!!!

set list (in order):
go
trouble
chickenman
peace tonight
land of canaan
least complicated
sister
cold beer & remote control
i don't wanna know
closer to fine
ozilline
soon to be nothing
johnny rotten
compromise
power of two
faye tucker
get out the map
shame on you

the encore included singers kelly hogan and nico case who sang lead on
the first two songs:
help me make it through the night (kris kristofferson)
jolene (dolly parton)
galileo

okay...so now for the dish! amy wore black & white houndstooth slacks
with the ubiquitous black tank under a b&w striped shirt (open). and of
course, the blue suede shoes! she looked great! emily wore a solid black
button down shirt and black jeans...the best part was this sparkly blue
eye shadow...tres chic! like i said, they both looked great and seemed to
have a great time with the performance. this was their fifth concert in
as many days and amy said they were actually doing okay..."not too
hoarse." during trouble emily skipped the second verse and went into the
instrumental bridge. she started jamming out and amy got her attention
and reminded her of the words...emily laughed and later attributed
forgetting the song to the fact that they've done so many shows in a row!

amy was particularly chatty.  she asked the crowd if we'd been christmas
shopping, to which we all responded with "no" and "boo."  she laughed and
said we had a bah-humbug attitude and that she'd love to be able to go
christmas shopping and asked if anyone would be interested in picking up
a few things for her.  of course, everyone loved that!

at the end of the show amy read a psa about educating ourselves on the
controversial issue of using recycled metal from nuclear powerplants in
common things such as toys, appliances, and automobiles.

here's news i know you'll all love:  at work i receive email from a
company called concert ideas (see concertideas.com) -- the latest email
update, on 12/7, showed ig are available for booking in february, march,
and april of 2000.  i can't wait to see what develops!

jeanne

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does anyone have a boot of the 12/1/99 show? a girl e-mailed me looking for
it...and i am still looking for the seattle show!!! also - jude, i promise
i'm going to e-mail you...thanks for sending me the copies of the setlists :)

:) lisa

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>>you should've seen melissa last night in san francisco - short blond
wispy hair, tight black top, tight silver leather pants - oh my :) <<

i second that emotion!  oh my... lol!

>>:) oh and jean moses rocks!<<

lol!  my first review and i didn't even have my guitar!  heh.

go see melissa in concert if you can she was awesome.

~jean

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> i don't know if anyone answered this yet...i'm finally reading my
> digests :)
> this line always reminds me of pat robertson (or buchanan - though it
> is my
> theory these are one in the same) and how he said something like a
> hurricane
> (hurricane flag flapping in a bad storm) was going to hit florida
> (where is
> the dominican republic?? i'm terrible at geography...) because
> disneyworld
> was holding gay days...that's what i think of but i don't know what
> it really
> means...
>
> <<
>  "and who would take out the dominican republic
>  and send god's sweet children floating down a poison stream"
>
>  i know this is something i should know...but...what's ms. saliers
> referring
>  to here? >>
>
>
> oh and for everyone who thinks amy is looking mighty sexy these days
> (and
> emily, too, she was looking gorgeous in berkeley :) you should've
> seen
> melissa last night in san francisco - short blond wispy hair, tight
> black
> top, tight silver leather pants - oh my :)
>
> :) oh and jean moses rocks!
>
> :) lisa
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hey everyone!

      i was just wondering if anybody knows of any good boots of the girls
with the butchies from the recent shows...  i love the butchies, but they're
not scheduled to open any of the shows i've got tickets to... it would be
really cool to at least have a boot.

thanks!
~lisa

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from:         havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
subject:      re: nigc-rick danko

thanks, shel for posting the sad news about rick danko.  unfortunately, the
reporter seems to have put a seemingly half-hearted effort into this story.
the three songs he cited all feature levon helm as the lead vocalist.
danko's voice is best heard on this wheel's on fire, unfaithful servant,
stage fright, it makes no difference, and christmas must be tonight....  his
self-titled solo album featured a moving song called sip the wine (the
beginning of which can be heard during the recording studio scene in the
last waltz) and a great version of small town talk, and he turns in a
soulful version of eric anderson's blue river on danko, anderson and fjeld.

the band has released two cds since jericho - high on the hog a few years
back and another whose title escapes me which was released earler this year
(i believe i listened to it briefly and passed it up in favor of jennifer
kimball's veering from the wave)

at my solo gig this evening i played cover versions of 5 of the band's
better known songs in tribute.  will repeat the gesture with a couple of
additions at tomorrow night's gig.

peace, brother rick.....
tim

>
>vocals by danko, helm and manuel contributed to the
>band's  unique sound, and danko sang on the group's
>signature songs such as  "the weight," "up on cripple
>creek" and "the night they drove  old dixie down."
>
>>in recent years danko, helm and hudson reformed the
>band at  various times. their last recording was "jericho"
>in 1993.

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here we go folks...
setlist in order:
go
trouble
jonas and ezekial (wow!!)
least complicated
ozillene (dedicated to rick denko)
soon be to nothing
shed your skin (wow wow wow)
peace tonight
romeo and juliet (no words to describe...)
closer to fine
faye tucker
love's recovery (beautiful...yes, a tear in my eye)
compromise
get out the map
kid fears (gotta love singing backup on this one)
power of 2
shame on you
***encore***
virginia woolf
do you want to touch me (a joan jett song w/butchies)
galileo


all in all a spectacular performance, the girls seemed in very high spirits
and very chatty. fashion report (for those who care like me): amy had on
black pants, blue suede shoes and a plain white button down shirt. emily was
in the all black ensemble, what looked like red leather boots, and the
infamous blue sparkly eye stuff. gotta love that.
on to the chit chat...
i'm not sure when they said this stuff so i'm just going to write it all
down like i remember it.
i was a little um...worried at the beginning of the show because emily said,
"i feel speechless" right before she did sbtn...and it seemed like she was
really emotionally affected by singing it...a lot of closing her eyes with
her head up to the ceiling, and strained faces. it was a beautiful
performance. she really got into sys right after it though.
here's a little dialogue i remember:
em: did y'all know that scientists think there might have been an ocean on
mars? that is so fucking cool! (looks down at amy who's messing with her
guitar stuff on the stage after amy looked up and shook her head yes) well,
i know you knew that...
(she said something else about how a superior being is going to be at a
concert thinking about that...i don't really remember, and i didn't quite
get it...)
amy: maybe there's going to be somebody on mars thinking there might have
been an ocean on earth.
emily: oooooh, yeah. (giving amy this joking look like, wow, how profound
doing this little circular motion with her hands like in the galileo video.
i can't really explain it, but it was one of those precious ig
moments...trust me, it was great)well, we don't know anything.
amy: yeah, ok.

there's one other great moment that i remember very well...
the girls were taking requests from the audience saying that they leave
blank spaces in the setlists so they can play whatver they feel like...and
then they just really confuse themselves.
amy: we're so unprofessional...
em: we're just two redneck girls from georgia. (big emily smile)
amy: two radical rednecks...
em: what are we doing here...i don't know
amy: i don't know
em: i don't know...

that's all the conversing i can remember well enough to report back. i could
swear, though, that at the chicago show, and tonight...that emily said two
black dogs and a white woman...i saw it, i think. can anybody back me up?

i'm always so amazed by how approachable emily is and how it seems like she
really enjoys signing stuff. she signed my watershed hat and my ticket stub.
if you remember correctly, she signed my hand at the chicago show....which
i'm proud to report is still there...and yes i have been washing my
hand...just very carefully. aaaanyway, emily saw it and sorta looked at it
and i said, "you signed my hand in chicago, remember?" she looked at it
again and let out one of those magnificent emily laughs and a huge smile. i
think she was sort of amused.
it was a wonderful, wonderful night, and my last concert on the cons tour :(
suffragette anyone??
lia

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<<ozilene and fay tucker are unbelievable live.>>   says rob hite.

i agree!  especially ozilene.  ozilene  is kind of comforting tonight,
i had a friend over,  and we just  sat and listened.  i guess the live
performances  the girls are doing  make  it more worthwhile  listening
to cons.....but i still
don't  get the same kick that i get  out of their other stuff.  i  think
1,2,3  is much more intense
than fay tucker musically speaking that is.

ozilene  is actually very creatively done especially  like that it
begins as a discussion between  amy and her grandma,  then comes
the rattle, and then the drums.  and before you know it you're into the
song.  the  mpls show
got my attention,  it was  so wonderful  there!
i'll  never  forget it,,i never forget concert memories!

peace,

barb

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vivo de milagro wrote:

>you are complaining about this?  oh ye of the unworthy.  i would kiss emily's
>green suede shoes to hear this song live.  emily wails....


>on thu, 9 dec 1999, greg flamer wrote:

> why they chose burn all the letters in the encore
> is beyond me.  not their biggest hit.  and they had guest vocalists to sing
> ulali's wailing part.  who you ask--none other than caroline the cellist
> and carol isaacs the keyboard pennywhistle woman.  these are very talented
> women who should let's just say--leave the tribal indian chanting to the
> tribal indians.  it was the low musical moment of the show hearing them do
> that-oway-ee-oway-oh-woh part of the song.  i never thought i'd wish for
> ulali in my life.

i gotta agree with greg on this one.  i love burn all the letters, and i
couldn't believe they were actually doing it in concert.  my wife is not a
big ig fan and didn't know what the wailing part was supposed to sound like.
but when they started singing that part, she was cringing at the sound.  it's
a great song, but it's pretty challenging to do live.  amy and emily's vocals
are always 100% in tune and solid in concert, but that one part of that one
song was just not up to their standards.

but other than that, it was a great, great show.

bill

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   i must say that i have seen this done live with ulali...it was sooo
amazing...this is one of my most fav tracks off of sots.  ulali is a
very talented group...i have to admit though i havn't seen it done with
out them... just rambling... never mind me....
peace and love,
        carrie

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one of the many things i most love about the indigo girls is their
willingness to take risks instead of relying on a fixed formula as so many
bands do... that's what makes each ig concert a unique experience rather
than a corporate sponsored production...

anyone for a happy meal????

peace,
tim

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>>on thu, 9 dec 1999, greg flamer wrote:
>
>> why they chose burn all the letters in the encore
>> is beyond me.  not their biggest hit.  and they had guest vocalists to
sing
>> ulali's wailing part.  who you ask--none other than caroline the cellist
>> and carol isaacs the keyboard pennywhistle woman.  these are very
talented
>> women who should let's just say--leave the tribal indian chanting to the
>> tribal indians.  it was the low musical moment of the show hearing them
do
>> that-oway-ee-oway-oh-woh part of the song.  i never thought i'd wish for
>> ulali in my life.
>
>i gotta agree with greg on this one.  i love burn all the letters, and i
>couldn't believe they were actually doing it in concert.  my wife is not a
>big ig fan and didn't know what the wailing part was supposed to sound
like.
>but when they started singing that part, she was cringing at the sound.
it's
>a great song, but it's pretty challenging to do live.  amy and emily's
vocals
>are always 100% in tune and solid in concert, but that one part of that one
>song was just not up to their standards.

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ok...at the risk of getting myself swamped with e-mails - lol...you can
e-mail me for the whole article and some links about this. :) lisa:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
people for the american way foundation  --  http://www.pfaw.org/
lambda legal defense and education fund  --  http://lambdalegal.org/

for immediate release:  december 8, 1999
pfawf - margot friedman at 202-467-4999,
   or kendra huard at 310-478-6657 or 310-617-6718 (cell)
lambda - peg byron at 212-809-8585 or 888-987-1984 (pager)
   or myron dean quon at 323-937-2728, ext. 229
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  school board votes against students' gay-straight club
  at el modena high

(orange, ca, december 8, 1999) -  after months of delaying students'
request to allow a gay-straight alliance club to meet at el modena
high school, the orange unified school board voted 7-0 late tuesday
to deny the students their constitutional and legal rights.

the students formed the club as a way to promote understanding and
respect.  the school board's action has left the students with no
choice but to pursue the lawsuit they filed in federal court on
november 24, said lambda legal defense and education fund and people
for the american way foundation.

"the students decided to form a gay-straight alliance club to
encourage understanding, safety and unity.  it is sad and shocking
that some adults have used this event as a chance to promote hatred
and intolerance," said pfawf president carole shields.  the students
are being represented by attorneys with lambda, pfawf and irell &
manella, llp, a california law firm with offices in los angeles and
orange county.

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gads that  is so so sick!!!  not allowing a gay and straight alliance at
a high school!  what are
people trying to teach these kids......that it's  okay to hate ?  that's
okay to denye free speech
and free assembly? that teenage kids can't make their own choices on
what to believe?  if anyone has has an addy for that school, i'd love to
email them  a piece of my mind.  denying our kids the right to
participate in this society  as responsible citizens,  out of
homophobia, and ignorance is just plain stupid.  i hope the kids and
their lawyers kick ass up there.

the so-called "adults" over there have some learnin' to do.

barb

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this is disgusting to me too. i was encouraged however by the posters in the
hallway of santa monica high school for their club, which apparently is not a
problem...i was there recently to pick up a friend who is taking a night
course there and we saw the posters for their next meeting.  here in southern
california we refer to people in orange county as being "behind the orange
curtain"
pax
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btw,  i emailed my post on the ig mailing list to lambda to show support
for you guys! i hope your meetings continue no matter what you have to
do to keep on!  keep us all informed.

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date: sat, 11 dec 1999 11:41:57 -0600 (cst)
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lol  "behind the orange curtain."  that's  good,  if that's how people
are back there
than wow, you've gotta a lot of work ahead,
but keep it going. i'm impressed.

barb


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ok...so they did do you wanna touch again with butchies in bloomington (like
they did in seattle...) c'mon - someone booted this - i know it...i'm dying
to hear this damn song! :) lisa

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brand new ig posters! check out  http://www.mftm.com
rebecca

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message from me wondering when your paper is due?  i'm
sorry if i've been too slow work was crazy this week.
write and let me know where you're at with it and we
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in a message dated 12/11/99 10:35:41 am pacific standard time,
idjlamb24@prodigy.net writes:

> i had enough of a problem growing up in a small country town and if they
> would have had that club back then i think i would have been beaten up for
> being gay more. i do not think it is right to teach the children hatred.
perhaps in a small country town that would be true, but here in southern
california  there seems to be a larger gay population than i was used to in
some places i lived in the midwest. here it is not a question of people being
afraid students would be harassed because of the club, it is just the people
in charge being homophobes.
pax
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i understand the concern about safety for yourself and others in a small
town and all.
i think,  however, had people not have risked
their safety to gain equality,  we would not have made any of the
progress that was made in so
many areas......did  you know  that people died
so that we can have te weekends off,  and eight hour workdays?
vacations?  no twenty-hour workdays seven days a week?  no civil rights
laws either.  no voting rights or land ownership for women.

i understand you wanting to avoid danger,  but sometimes  it's
inevitable that there will be those risks involved,  when there's change
there will be those who just don't want to  "get the facts" about
others.  they want things to stay the same, and they think that they
alone are right, no matter how those facts are put out.
i  just don't see anyway around that.  we just have to keep right on
pushing,  and believing  that
are accomplishing something really positive,
otherwise it would be so much easier to give up.

i know it's easier said than done, but nobody ever said that fighting
for your rights is easy,
and if students choose to have a gay and straight alliance in a high
school,  it's their god-given right. we can all learn from  the students
example.  hope they keep it goin'.

peace,

barb


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subject:      re: bloomington 12/9/99
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  you guys are talking about how awesome oziline and faye tucker are
live...i think cons period is awesome live...  and honor the earth tour
is even better...bury my heart, and all the guests...and i got the
pleasure of seeing tangled up in blue...  i think honor combined with
cons is going to rock this summer.  i can't wait..i hope they come back
to my hometown, the last honor tour was probably the best show i have
ever seen...ok, enough rambling...
peace and love,
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in a message dated 12/11/99 7:00:36 pm pacific standard time,
indigo4me@webtv.net writes:

> ive...i think cons period is awesome live...  and honor the earth tour
>  is even better...bury my heart, and all the guests...and i got the
>  pleasure of seeing tangled up in blue...  i think honor combined with
>  cons is going to rock this summer.  i can't wait..i hope they come back
>  to my hometown, the last honor tour was probably the best show i hav
i agree. i stood outside the greek theatre during honor and listened to them
rehearse tangled for about an hour, with talking, etc...and they had ani,
jackson browne and michael stipe with them at universal ampitheatre...
sister was especially good live, but you are right, they are all good
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date:         sat, 11 dec 1999 19:30:16 -0800
reply-to:     jean moses <sneakyjean@yahoo.com>
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barb,

>>i think,  however, had people not have risked their safety to gain
equality,  we would not have made any of the progress that was made in
so many areas......<<

you are certainly right, barb, and i am very grateful to those that
have chosen to risk themselves for change that has allowed my girlfried
and me to live more comfortable and more equal lives.  however, i also
have to respect missy's fear and concern for her safety.  not everyone
is cut out to be a pioneer for justice.  it's a shame that some
communities are not supportive of their glbt members, but it's not
always possible to make change by yourself.

just my 2 cents :)

jean

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>

> attachment part 2 message/rfc822
> from: barbarafrommn@webtv.net (barbara bordner)
> date: sat, 11 dec 1999 19:35:32 -0600 (cst)
> to: idjlamb24@prodigy.net (melissa s singhaus)
> subject: re: i think it is wrong to have that club in high schools
>
> i understand the concern about safety for yourself and others in a
> small
> town and all.
> i think,  however, had people not have risked
> their safety to gain equality,  we would not have made any of the
> progress that was made in so
> many areas......did  you know  that people died
> so that we can have te weekends off,  and eight hour workdays?
> vacations?  no twenty-hour workdays seven days a week?  no civil
> rights
> laws either.  no voting rights or land ownership for women.
>
> i understand you wanting to avoid danger,  but sometimes  it's
> inevitable that there will be those risks involved,  when there's
> change
> there will be those who just don't want to  "get the facts" about
> others.  they want things to stay the same, and they think that they
> alone are right, no matter how those facts are put out.
> i  just don't see anyway around that.  we just have to keep right on
> pushing,  and believing  that
> are accomplishing something really positive,
> otherwise it would be so much easier to give up.
>
> i know it's easier said than done, but nobody ever said that fighting
> for your rights is easy,
> and if students choose to have a gay and straight alliance in a high
> school,  it's their god-given right. we can all learn from  the
> students
> example.  hope they keep it goin'.
>
> peace,
>
> barb
>
>


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i was talking to when i was in high school not where i am at now. i did =
come out at my high school when i was 18 and i would have fought anyone =
who opposed me being there. i am 24 now i am out and proud. i am doing a =
project for college and i am using pride symbols on it but i do not want =
to use just pride symbols on it. i still trying to think of the two =
other illustrations to add to it yet. sorry for any confusion. i was =
just thinking of the childrens saftey at the school that are and with =
the hate group there they will have to indure more, but that doesnt mean =
that they can not. missy

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<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>i was talking to when i was in high =
school not=20
where i am at now. i did come out at my high school when i was 18 and i =
would=20
have fought anyone who opposed me being there. i am 24 now i am out and =
proud. i=20
am doing a project for college and i am using pride symbols on it but i =
do not=20
want to use just pride symbols on it. i still trying to think of the two =
other=20
illustrations to add to it yet. sorry for any confusion. i was just =
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the childrens saftey at the school that are and with the hate group =
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hi all...currently on ebay there is a video up for bid of jesus christ
superstar.  it is going for like 36.00....this is also currently for sale on
music for the masses, for a constant price of 15.00...so forget that ebay
crap...just thought yall would like to know...

http://www.mftm.com/directory.html

thanks...carla  :ož

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you can get jcs and honor stuff for the same price at daemonrecords.com and
support amy's label, the artists on the video/cds, and the charitable causes
instead of some dealer... think about where the money goes... order from
www.daemonrecords.com

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for aussies on the list,

i saw an ad in saturday's paper for ani difranco touring in febuary.
she'll be in brisbane on feb 6.  check your papers for when she's near
you!!
annie

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correct, daemon is a non for profit organization. napster people, i will be
right with yiou as soon as finals are over (will have responded by this
weekend).

on sun, 12 dec 1999 00:04:40 est, tryng2bme@aol.com wrote:

>  you can get jcs and honor stuff for the same price at daemonrecords.com
and
>  support amy's label, the artists on the video/cds, and the charitable
causes
>  instead of some dealer... think about where the money goes... order from
>  www.daemonrecords.com
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and i saw it at costco for $8.99 i'm pretty sure...

diane

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> hi all...currently on ebay there is a video up for bid of jesus christ
> superstar.  it is going for like 36.00....this is also currently for sale
on
> music for the masses, for a constant price of 15.00...so forget that ebay
> crap...just thought yall would like to know...
>
> http://www.mftm.com/directory.html
>
> thanks...carla  :ož
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wow, i am extreamly amazed...
then again im not all that suprised.  that sounds like what is going to
happen to me.
about a month ago i wrote a letter to one of my deans at my high school
asking for her help to form a gsa. about a week went by and she replied to me
that she would talk to me about in during study hall. so i went down there
during study hall and all she told me was that i needed to write a proposal
for the school board, and find a teacher sponser.
the proposal wasn't the hard part. but i am still unable to find a teacher.
(did i mention i live in indiana, one of the most conservative states around)
so... no luck yet. but i haven't given up hope.

casey

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hi folks, i don't know if the web page for parodies still exists but =
here's one for collection...brought to you by the same crazy people who =
like to go hiking in the winter-- i guess you could say the cold =
mountain air "inspired" us :)  as usual, we  mean no harm :)  think of =
it as a conversation between a converter and the converted :))
rachel & chris=20

born again=20
(sung to the tune of gone again)

think i'll drag us to the pew
i've had enough flak from you
honey, it's all for the better
for the sake of saving you

i've got all that soul to clean
something i could not have dreamed
and all the tithes i paid won't matter
if i can't just make you see

born again
born again
there ain't no way that you're gonna get my soul again
born again

talked in priest talk for a while
gave a chunky girl a flier
we both waited in a manger
for the coming of a savior

we all said a hail mary
if the savior was to be
then he crushed my last fantasy
for a wish that just wouldn't be

born again
born again
there ain't no way that you're gonna get my soul to bend
born again

if i don't make good of you
i'll be at the task anew
and i'll be tossing alabaster
with a drunken fishing crew

honey all i have to say=20
is every god don't have its way
if we make the claim that's driven=20
and we go it all the way

born again
born again
there ain't no way that you're gonna get my soul to end
born again
born again
there ain't no way that you're gonna get my soul to bend
born again

******************************************************************
" i think of life itself as mysterious, and we have to keep pushing =
onward to see what is staring us in the face."  joyce carol oates=20

=20

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<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>hi folks, i don't know if the web page =
for parodies=20
still exists but here's one for collection...brought to you by the same =
crazy=20
people who like to go hiking in the winter-- i guess you could say the =
cold=20
mountain air "inspired" us :)  as usual, we  mean no harm =
:) =20
think of it as a conversation between a converter and the converted =

:))</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>rachel & chris </font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again </font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>(sung to the tune of gone =
again)</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>think i'll drag us to the =
pew</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>i've had enough flak from =
you</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>honey, it's all for the =
better</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>for the sake of saving you</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>i've got all that soul to =
clean</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>something i could not have =
dreamed</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>and all the tithes i paid won't =
matter</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>if i can't just make you =
see</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>there ain't no way that you're gonna =
get my soul=20
again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>talked in priest talk for a =
while</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>gave a chunky girl a flier</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>we both waited in a manger</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>for the coming of a savior</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>we all said a hail mary</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>if the savior was to be</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>then he crushed my last =
fantasy</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>for a wish that just wouldn't =
be</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>there ain't no way that you're gonna =
get my soul to=20
bend</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>if i don't make good of =
you</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>i'll be at the task anew</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>and i'll be tossing =
alabaster</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>with a drunken fishing =
crew</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>honey all i have to say </font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>is every god don't have its =
way</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>if we make the claim that's driven =
</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>and we go it all the way</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>there ain't no way that you're gonna =
get my soul to=20
end</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>there ain't no way that you're gonna =
get my soul to=20
bend</font></div>
<div><font face=3darial size=3d2>born again</font></div>
<div> </div>
<div><font face=3darial=20
size=3d2> **********************************************************=
********<br>"=20
i think of life itself as mysterious, and we have to keep pushing onward =
to see=20
what is staring us in the face."  joyce carol oates </font></div>
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date: sun, 19 dec 1999 14:26:02 +0000
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regarding "gone again"

for some reason this song reminds me of that old grammar school song called
"found a peanut" - you know:

found a peanut,
found a peanut,
found a peanut just now,
i have just now found a peanut,....


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so did anyone get a boot of the minneapolis show? thanks to a wrong slip
of a button my recorder decided to record the radio station instead of
the show. it was probably one of the best balanced audio shows i have
heard. e-mail me privately if you have a boot of this show. thanks.

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you know u can lok agt the b idders  list on the item and write them and
tell them all where th ey can get it so the girls get more money and
daemon gets supported


on sun, 12 dec 1999, diane g. wrote:

> and i saw it at costco for $8.99 i'm pretty sure...
>
> diane
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> sent: saturday, december 11, 1999 11:45 pm
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> > hi all...currently on ebay there is a video up for bid of jesus christ
> > superstar.  it is going for like 36.00....this is also currently for sale
> on
> > music for the masses, for a constant price of 15.00...so forget that ebay
> > crap...just thought yall would like to know...
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> > http://www.mftm.com/directory.html
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> > thanks...carla  :ož
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   well, rose p opened. she was o.k (my grandpa don thought she was
great!) she had the
audience sing the song "white christmas" while she recorded a x-mas
greeting commercial
for her home town radio station in chicago.

   here is the set list for those of you who didn't go.
1.go
2.trouble
3.i don't wanna
4.least complicated
5.sister
6.peace tonight
7.*little tune by amy while emily's guitar was getting tuned.*
8.scooter boys (amy starts song and gets a set of giggles!)
9.soon be to nothing
10.*this was supposed to be johnny rottentale according to the set list.
(it was reunion)
11.closer to fine
12.ozilline
13.prince of darkness
14..gone again
15.power of  two
16.faye tucker
17.get out the map
18.shame on you
----------------------
19.was supposed to be cold beer
(replaced by wood song.)
20.*rose p. song.set list says it was called "or"
(a+e harmonized really well.)
21.galileo

fashion report:

amy was wearing her white jeans, the legendary black tank top and a solid
blue over shirt.

emily was wearing  an all black outfit. and her sparkly eye shadow.
sulli was wearing a blue sweatshirt and jeans.

they were in a great mood and the crowd was very energetic, and sang
along w/all the songs
including the newest ones.
we (don, peg ,d, twink, and barb.) got to meet up with indigo kate and
her friend rhoda,
jill and her friend becky at the spaghetti  warehouse. it was a perfect place
for the list
meet (aside from the fact that they wouldn't take reservations) because it
was half a
block from the venue.
lisa tat and/or alysa we're anxiously awaiting a report on the big room
show and any
additional comments on the concert.

thanks y'all!
deidre

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damn you, you got to hear the wood song...i haven't heard them play that
since the swamp ophelia tour...

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oh my, it's been quite an indigo weekend.  here's the dirt for anyone
interested and it's divided by paragraphs, so skip if you're only
interested in a certain show: left columbus friday for the michigan show
and have been going ever since.  michigan was fab.  amy was *so* smiley.
she and em chatted a great deal, as others have mentioned they've been
doing lately, which makes the shows for me.  they talked about how cool it
was that michigan folks could show where they lived by holding up their
hands (mi is shaped like a hand) and pointing out their town.  i would love
to have a picture of them standing next to each other, holding out their
arms and staring at their hands--priceless.  emily also, a propos of
nothing, suddenly said, "do you know mars has an ocean, isn't that cool?"
and she and amy went off on a tangent about that.  and then there was the
cookie incident. lol  someone made cookies for them and amy had them come
up and give them to her.  she said they'd eat them on the bus since they
all live on sugar and caffeine.  she said that's what fuels you as get
older, instead of the "other things" that you did in your youth ( made me
think of "...and the horse drawn on my arm, standing for an addiction...")
at the end she held up the cookies as she left the stage.  there was also a
funny conversation about how their dinner affects the set list.  they said
they'd had pasta, so the set list wasn't as jangly as it would be if they
had thai.  music highlights for me were: "romeo and juliet," which will
forever brings back memories that make me cry when i hear it live--it's so
good to hear again; an extremely cool, acoustic version of "jonas and
ezekiel"; and the incredible joan jett cover w/the butchies--how cute are
those girls!?!  no set list from me, sorry.  but, i got a pick from amy's
guitar tech. : )

sat am, up at 8:30 and on the road to columbus by 9.  sitting in front of
cd101 by 1:00, waiting to be let in for the big room show.  it was super
small this time, i'd say maybe twenty people.  they let us in a little
before 2:00 and me and 5 of my fellow fanatic friends (including alycia
broz and kate roberts --old listees) went immediately to hover by the door
so we could get in first and sit at their feet, which we did, but first i
was tapped on the shoulder and moved out of the way so amy and emily could
walk by.  yikes!  what a rush to turn around and suddenly be face to face
with the girls.  they went in and rehearsed a bit.  emily was in the
bathroom when they let us in, so amy was just standing around.  she was
*super* personable, laughed and joked til emily got back.  she also looked
amazing in "the" black tank and open, an blue button down.  wow!  emily had
on jeans and these cool rust suede shoes.  i asked her if they were the red
shoes from "peace tonight." she laughed and said, no, she hadn't written a
song about this pair yet.  the show started and the dj asked them a couple
questions (after mispronouncing emily's name and leaving out the "now" in
the cd title.)  he asked what rock bands the girls listened to.  they
agreed on rage against the machine. amy said she mostly listened to indy or
unsigned bands, she named a seattle band.  did anyone tape this?  i totally
forgot to set it up, even after joan d sent an email reminding me to!  they
played "ozilene," "peace tonight," and "go."  amazing is not very
descriptive, but it was.  sitting in front of them as they played acoustic
versions of these incredible songs--i wish i could bottle the natural high.
afterwards they went out to sign stuff.  i took a picture of sulli and
told her (as i know she already knows) that she's a big hero on the list.
she smiled, gave me a pick, and sent out a big hello to everyone.  the
girls then signed stuff and chatted a bit.  i gave amy one of sherman
alexie's books of poetry and gave emily, _the grass dancer_, a novel by
dakota author susan power. they both said they's hadn't read either and
seemed honestly pleased.  it felt nice to give a little something back.
then, the big room was over and we had three hours til the columbus show.
i went home, waited for friends, and made signs.

columbus:  showed up at about 7:15.  immediately saw a bunch of list folks,
jill c, barb and twink, don, peg and deidre.  it's so great to see
everyone.  i think it makes the shows seem like a kind of family affair.
rose started on time and sounded beautiful.  my fav version of "olga's
birthday" ever.  then the girls came on--woo hoo!  best show i've seen in
years.  the girls and the audience rocked the house--the girls mentioned
several times how incredible the energy was.  here's the official set list,
which they altered (in part, because of our signs): go/trouble/ i don't
wanna know/ least complicated (it's not listed, but i think it was here
that they played reunion because amy saw our sign) /sister/peace
tonight/(here they messed up and while sulli got em's guitar they played a
jangly country song--anyone know what?) /scooter boys/soon be to
nothing/johnny rottentale (on list, but they didn't play
it)/ctf/ozilene/prince of darkness!!!/gone again/poftwo/faye
tucker/gotm/soy/ encore: they'd written cold beer but played wood song/or
(w/rose--stunning harmonies)/galileo.  highlights--1) our 3rd row aisle
seats, which might as well have been first because the folks in front of us
sat, 2) when someone held up a daemon catalogue to sign.  amy didn't
acknowledge the signing part, but it was very funny when they pointed to
the girl and said, "look, a daemon catalogue." 3) when emily suddenly had
no guitar at the beginning of scooter boys and amy didn't realize it.  amy
looked over at emily kind of shocked and kept singing for a second, then
quit, laughed, and was like, "wait, we can't do this."  then she played the
jangly country song and tried to start right back into scooter boys a
second later. the mood transition didn't work--at the first line, the
audience and amy cracked up and she had to start again.  she said she has a
split personality.  ok, i'm gonna skip a ton here 'cause this is so damn
long--final highlight: i made a "blair rocks" sign because i absolutely
love his playing and energy.  i think he and amy really work well together.
as they left the stage after the final song i held it up and he pointed to
it.  he was so tickled--he beamed and shook his arms in the air.  then when
the lights went up a tech ran out and yelled for whoever made the blair
sign.  i went over and he said blair wanted it.  he brought it backstage to
blair and brought me a set list.  next a security guard gave me a pick,
which i passed on to one of my friends, since i'd gotten  the one from
sulli.  what a cool end to the night!  now i'm recovering and waiting for
dayton.  hope this saga was interesting to some of you folks.  i am not as
funny as flamer (whose milw. review made me double over laughing), but i
did have quite the amazing few days.

happy day,

lisa

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hi everyone! i've been gone for a few weeks, but i was missing the indigo
girls community so i decided to come back.  i went to the indy show last
week, and it was so amazing! they played alot of oldies like 3hits and love
will come to you (growlingly well, i might add), and some rockin new songs
too.  during ctf and galileo, we sang "our" parts and amy and emily looked
really pleased. . .oh it was so great!  afterwords i had an unfortunate
altercation with a burly security guard, but i was able to get past him to
the front of the stage to try and get a pick or something.  does anybody know
what the male guitar tech's name is? he is so nice! he gave us a stack of
picks and took a picture of my friend's baby daughter and promised to give it
to amy. awww what a sweetie.  afterwards we waited around in the cold for amy
and emily, and it was so cool because i've never met them before.  i gave
them each a copy of my zine and amy was like, "it's so cool that you're doing
a zine."  (!!!!!!!) amy is such a sweatheart indie kid at heart, i think.  it
was so awesome.
    does anybody know anything about tonight's show in fort wayne, in?  i
called ticketmaster and they didn't have anything about it, but then it's a
bit last-minute i guess.  my gf and i made the decision to go spontaneously,
but we're wondering if it's sold out?
    does anybody know who's opening?  i think the butchies (yay!) but i'm not
sure.
    if anyone is going tonight and wants to meet some nice grrls, let me know!

love,
emily

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hi:
just wanted to let everyone know that as a dealer, i buy my daemon products
through daemon. the money goes to the same place it would if you bought from
them direct.
i try to carry any and all products that are related to k.d., melissa, and
i.g. i don't auction things on ebay for the simple reason that my customers
like to know exactly how much they're going to pay, and that they'll get what
they ask for.
daemon products are on my website because they're i.g.-related, and because
they have many other great artists, like mrs. fun, who need the extra sales
they can get through other dealers.
also, some of my customers are not on the web(they receive a catalog), or are
outside the u.s, and don't have the same access you all do. they need to know
that these items are available.
i did the same thing with wolfe video, who's u.s. offices do not ship outside
the u.s., and who's english division is not yet open.
thought you'd like to know.
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i know that catherine and michael cunningham have suggested some meeting
times.  i've been delete button happy lately b/c i just can"t understand how
you guys can read all of this!!!!  jeez.  tell me what's the plan as of
right now.

has anyone thought about meeting at eddie's attic on thursday night?  i'm
going to the ig concert on friday, but i'd love to meet some of you atlanta
listees at eddies the night before.  (i'm a transplanted listee from texas,
so help me out -- listees must help transplanted listees).  and those of
y'all who are going to the thurs. show can meet us either at eddies or we
could meet y'all downtown afterwards.  anybody thought of club anytime?  for
those of you who are coming into atlanta for the shows, and you haven't been
properly introduced to atlanta, you have to visit eddies, the earl, and esp.
the chattahoochee river national park!

email me if you're in atlanta, regardless of what your plans are!!!

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already did it :o)

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i have to say that as i read this review...i was in
awe!  i would *love* to hear/watch ig play w only 20
other people!  how amazing!  to experience acoustic
amy and emily in a small comfy homey venue...ahhh -
that would be heaven...

thanks for sharing your story!  *grin*

take it easy,
sunny

> it was super
> small this time, i'd say maybe twenty people


sitting in front of them
> as they played acoustic
> versions of these incredible songs--i wish i could
> bottle the natural high.


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i'd be interested in a boot of this show too.  johnny rotten and
chickenman were incredible.  i could send a blank cassette and pay for
postage with no problem.

peace,

barb

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i was just listening to 99x and they announced that
the star bar performance is going to be broadcast live
on 99x, and also on their web site: www.99x.com
again, it's december 16th @ 3pm.  ooh, i wish i could
be there! maybe somebody could record it?  please?!
thanks!
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i can't find your email address...i have something to discuss with you
regarding your copy of blood and fire...about the blank discs you sent me...
thanks..
vesper

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<< i was just listening to 99x and they announced that
the star bar performance is going to be broadcast live
on 99x, and also on their web site: www.99x.com
again, it's december 16th @ 3pm. >>

please tell me someone is going to tape this off the radio!!!!

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i'll put this in a list, because i'm a list kind of gal...:-))

good
-the venue...for a basketball arena, it was quite cozy.  very nice and
clean, and where i was, there were no lines for the ladies room.

-the butchies...wow, do they have energy!  nice opening act.  i like the
slow song they did about growing up as a lesbian song in a small town

-songs i liked...oziline (yee-haw!), romeo and juliet, power of two(cool
keyboard intro), soon to be nothing, get out the map (yee-haw! again), do
you wanna touch w/butchies (rock on!), power of two, love's recovery

bad
-seats...got second balcony, but first row, amy's side, probably in line
w/5th row on the floor.  ordinarily, these would be great seats, but one of
the metal poles holding up the stage entirely blocked out view of amy when
she was singing

-sound...no other word to describe it than horrid.  it was way too soft.  on
songs like go, compromise, and shed your skin, the lack of volume really
made these songs lose their punch and intensity.

-setlist...i love cons, and i don't know if it's me, but they seemed to play
far fewer new songs than they have been, including my three favorites,
cb&rc, gone again, and sister.  kid fears isn't my favorite either.
(running for cover)

-length...really short..around 1:45.  i guess this might be normal for them,
but it just seemed as if they could have played a few more songs.

overall, i have to put this show behind the ani, melissa, and 3 dave
matthews band shows i've seen this year.  at those concerts, the energy was
great, the music was so intense. i really got into them.  melissa and dmb
each played for close to 3 hours with incredible energy.  the girls just
couldn't compete.  overall, a lukewarm report from me.

-jennie

"i ran as hard as i could, i still ended up here. and it's alright."
emily saliers, indigo girls

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cool...i'll probably be waiting in line then for the thursday night show with my
little portable radio turned wayyyy up so everyone in line can hear it =)  if i
get there that early, that is....    and i'm going to try to get my father to tape
it off the live web feed, but no promises. =)

sharon

joan morrison wrote:

> << i was just listening to 99x and they announced that
>  the star bar performance is going to be broadcast live
>  on 99x, and also on their web site: www.99x.com
>  again, it's december 16th @ 3pm. >>
>
> please tell me someone is going to tape this off the radio!!!!
>
> peace!
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in a message dated 12/12/99 8:29:34 pm eastern standard time,
jennieum@hotmail.com writes:

<< kid fears isn't my favorite either.
(running for cover) >>

hey sister, i agree with you, if that is any consolation.  i do like the song
when michael stipe sings with them, but it was never a favorite.  i'm
surprised they did that song.  you all got a bonus track, imo, in that they
sang "love's recovery" ~ that song still makes me weep.  each to their own, i
guess.  i'm sorry i missed emu, i couldn't get a babysitter for that show.  i
asked my daughter if she wanted to go, but she said, "ummm, mom, no, all i
ever hear every day is the indigo girls."  that's not entirely true, but...

>from the mouths of pre-adolescents....

we baked christmas cookies instead, and listened to the indigo girls.

peace,  vicki

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hey folks,

forwarded from the news-only list...

-sherlyn

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>date: thu, 09 dec 1999 23:44:45 -0600
>from: "barbara l. basaj, lia c. gima" <barbandlia@megsinet.net>
>subject: [ig-news] milwaukee setlist 12/8/99
>
>i haven't seen a milwaukee set list yet, so here's my best shot at it-- not
>necessarily in order.
>
>go -- brought the crowd to its feet
>trouble
>get out the map
>sister -- to die for!!
>chickenman -- nice accordion solo
>peace tonight
>shed your skin -- scorching!
>cold beer & remote control
>ozilline
>compromise
>andy -- stunning!, emily on bouzouki
>closer to fine -- the usual sing-along
>johnny rotten -- my first time hearing it.  awesome!
>i don't wanna know (amy on lead, even though this is an emily song)
>faye tucker -- amy did just a few notes of her own vocalizing in the spot
>where the recording has the arabic singer, then she went back into a verse
>-- worked well for concert purposes
>least complicated -- this must be a favorite of the milwaukee audience, i
>remember it being the best sing-along back in '97, too
>shame on you
>---------------------------
>burn all the letters  (i think this is the one mrs. fun joined them
>on--also great backing vocals by the 3 women in the band!)
>kid fears (now there's a surprise treat!  the audience filled in michal
>stipe's part nicely)
>galileo
>
>all in all, a&e were in great spirits, and the crowd was good, too.
>
>there was a request for watershed, but they said they didn't know it any
>more, and apologized, saying that they'd screw it up if they tried it.
>
>at one point they commented that the media were always calling amy the
>"dark" one and emily the "light" one, so from now on amy is going to wear
>light colors, and emily will wear dark colors, just to give them something
>to talk about.  amy looked great in a white shirt (slightly western style)
>and black (nylon?) pants, and gray what looked like either clogs or boots,
>kind of earthy looking.  emily was wearing a dark magenta shirt and i think
>blue pants.
>
>during mrs. fun's opening set, a&e joined kim and connie for one number,
>called "undecided".  their voices worked really well on that song, even
>though funk-jazz-rap is not their usual style.

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hi folks,

great job reviewing the recent shows...keep it up!

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december 14
s306089@student.uq.edu (michelle paddy)

december 14
wendy (aztbear@aol.com)
"every five years or so i look back on my life, and i have a good laugh!"
"they say that it's never too late, but you don't, you dont' get any
younger!"
"when your learning to face the path at your pace...every choice is worth
your while!"

december 15 (' 77)
amy swenson
<aswenson@students.uiuc.edu>     <<<<<------  happy birfday you!
                                              wish i could come out there
                                              and party with you (i know
                                              you will *heh*) but know i
                                              am thinking of you and
                                              hoping all the best for you!


and special special birthday wishes to my mom, who passed away april 24,
1999 and would have been 68 this sunday, december 19th...i miss you more
than words mommy...and i wish you were here to celebrate it...but i know
that things are better where you are - and i know they are taking care of
you.  i love you mommy - you are always with me.

"you're love goes with me/it surrounds me everywhere that i go/no matter
where you are/your heart is here with me..." - tracie spencer, "because of
you"


love to you all...
audra
bge


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the point about the ebay selling is close, in ideology to the point that some
were making about napster/mp3s.  (ok, my point.  i don't want to indicate
anyone else, so this is all just what i think and what *i* am saying.)

the indigo girls,  michelle malone, daemon bands, etc, etc....well.
basically...what they do for a living is their music, and the whatever it is
that we all like about them is what gets them up in the morning...and since
this is a capitalist country...they have to put food on the table too.  so,
it just seems slightly non-kosher to be making a buck (of the superstar
video, for example) off of amy and emily...without cutting them into a little
more of the profit.  especially...since much of the extra stuff (like honor
the earth) that they do is as a fundraiser for a cause that they consider
worthy.  yes, to get a jcs video, one had to at one point buy it from daemon,
or amy ray, directly or indirectly, but the ebay seller is (theoretically)
making extra money on top of whatever was spent to acquire it, therefore
profiting off a group of people who it just seems wrong to profit off of.
at least without donating part of the proceeds to honor the earth, or
something.
and the superstar video, if i remember correctly, was a totally diy, 'ooh,
this is cool, maybe some fans would like to see this.'
amy and emily don't care if we boot their shows...as long as we aren't
selling them.  i think they would be displeased to see a copy of jcs going
for more than it cost someone to buy it.
don't get me wrong, i'm not against ebay.  i've bought and sold on there and
check it often.
also, i'd be careful with buying video's off of ebay...i've heard of people
selling vhs copies of things and not stating that in their ads.  i also think
that making money off of video boots of the igs in wrong, but....for example,
i don't think selling promo posters (as long as you didn't steal them :p )
is.
"i pledge my allegiance to the dollar..."
-m

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hello, all...

i am looking for any marketing, promotion, writing, producer, editing jobs
that anyone might know of in atlanta, ga or ny.

attempting to leave the old job...since i'm about to go nuts after 4 years.

i am currently a promotion producer for a nbc affiliate in sc...which means i
promote the station in any way you can imagine from manning (womaning?)
booths to writing/editing/producing commercials for the station.

so, if anyone on the list knows of any jobs in said areas....

many thanks!

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hmm

i just was targetted with some xxxx web site spam...directed to people who
have 'indigo girls' in their profiles.  no kidding.  i looked at the email
just for the hell of it, even though i knew it was junk...and noticed that
two of the other screen names listed on it had 'indigo' in them.  so i
checked some profiles...and yep...someone must have done an aol search using
'indigo girls'.  lol.
that's what i get for using aohell, i know.

hee.
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with the ebay sales and purchases, i've started using it as sort of a last
resort...if i can buy an item traditionally when its available, i do so.
then the intended percentage goes to the artist and their label, which uses
the funds to support the artists. when i've exhausted those resources and
know an item is out of print or otherwise unavailable, i'll consider an
ebay seller. you do have to watch out for quality-deffinitely a
buyer-beware situation, but i've never had a bad experience.
i think with all the concerts they do for special causes like honor the
earth, it's hard to justify not putting your money in the right pockets.
i got to see the girls dec. 1 at the fox theatre in st. louis and it was
without a doubt the best concert of my life. so energetic, uplifting and
just downright fun! what a way to kick off my holiday season!
michelle

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> from: indigo mel <melijoy@aol.com>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: re: ebay  jcs video
> date: monday, december 13, 1999 12:18 am
>
> the point about the ebay selling is close, in ideology to the point that
some
> were making about napster/mp3s.  (ok, my point.  i don't want to indicate
> anyone else, so this is all just what i think and what *i* am saying.)
>
> the indigo girls,  michelle malone, daemon bands, etc, etc....well.
> basically...what they do for a living is their music, and the whatever it
is
> that we all like about them is what gets them up in the morning...and
since
> this is a capitalist country...they have to put food on the table too.
so,
> it just seems slightly non-kosher to be making a buck (of the superstar
> video, for example) off of amy and emily...without cutting them into a
little
> more of the profit.  especially...since much of the extra stuff (like
honor
> the earth) that they do is as a fundraiser for a cause that they consider
> worthy.  yes, to get a jcs video, one had to at one point buy it from
daemon,
> or amy ray, directly or indirectly, but the ebay seller is
(theoretically)
> making extra money on top of whatever was spent to acquire it, therefore
> profiting off a group of people who it just seems wrong to profit off of.
> at least without donating part of the proceeds to honor the earth, or
> something.
> and the superstar video, if i remember correctly, was a totally diy,
'ooh,
> this is cool, maybe some fans would like to see this.'
> amy and emily don't care if we boot their shows...as long as we aren't
> selling them.  i think they would be displeased to see a copy of jcs
going
> for more than it cost someone to buy it.
> don't get me wrong, i'm not against ebay.  i've bought and sold on there
and
> check it often.
> also, i'd be careful with buying video's off of ebay...i've heard of
people
> selling vhs copies of things and not stating that in their ads.  i also
think
> that making money off of video boots of the igs in wrong, but....for
example,
> i don't think selling promo posters (as long as you didn't steal them :p
)
> is.
> "i pledge my allegiance to the dollar..."
> -m
>
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hi there

now, i know that both amy and emily went to emory uni, but what were their
majors? does anyone know?

thanks

kate


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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 05:42:38 -0600
reply-to:     strosenblum@students.wisc.edu
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kadri saar <ksaar@ut.ee> writes:

>now, i know that both amy and emily went to emory uni, but what were their
majors? does anyone know?

amy was a religon major and i'm guessing that emily was an english major
but i'm not certain.

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 07:23:14 -0500
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indigo mel wrote:
> i just was targetted with some xxxx web site spam...directed to people who
> have 'indigo girls' in their profiles.  no kidding.  i looked at the email

now i know i am not alone.  i was looking on the web this past week for some
good/different photos of a&e and ran a web search and got a very interesting
hit off of a xxx site - they claim to have photos of our heroines (ya know
the kinda photos i mean folks)  and i'm thinking sha! right! it just annoys
me that now either there are porn stars on some of these sites that call
themselves the indigo girls or there are photos.  i just keep thinking of a
fishbowl.  and before i get any e-mail asking for the addy - no i did not
check it out!!!  i have no desire to.

nan

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 08:06:25 -0600
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amy was a double major in religion and english.  emily was a major in
english.
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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 09:30:36 -0500
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hi everybody:

oh my, how the time is flying by.  i'm so excited i've already packed for big
indigo adventure.

i have a huge favor to ask those of you getting to the tabernacle early for
general admission.  could someone be so kind as to save a spot for me in line.
i won't be checking into the omni until late
thursday afternoon and i don't think i'll make it to the line until about 5 or
so (gotta eat).  whoever can
do that for me, i will buy you a drink after the show.  as mike (my hero) posted
earlier, we are planning
to meet at latitudes in the omni.

i should be fairly easy to spot.  i will be wearing a navy blue sweatshirt with
the boston skyline on the front and boston written across it, navy pants and a
light grey sweater.  i'm about 5'9", have short blonde hair and blue eyes (i
mention that because you will see them popping straight out of my head
with all this excitement).  depending on the weather, i will have either an aqua
blue polartec jacket
or a big puffy burgandy one.

see ya there.

cathy

ps.  please get back to me privately if you can help me out.

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thank you to the person who emailed me and told me that the ft. wayne show last night was not happening. . . i wish i had checked my email last night!
    um. . . maybe i'm just an idealist, but i thought that it wouldn't be on the website and on music-cal if it wasn't happening. . . and my explanation as to why it wasn't up on ticketmaster *or* the embassy box office recording made perfect sense to me: it was the day of the show, so they had taken it off.  makes sense, right?  i guess i'm a shameless optimist, because i drove to ft. wayne (1 hour and 45 minutes), got to the embassy, which was locked and dark, and was like, ok. . . there's no show.  !!!! imagine my disappointment. actually, i kind of expected it, i just thought maybe there was a chance that it was happening and i didn't want to miss it!
so there we were, in fort wayne. let me tell you, there's not exactly a slew of entertaining things to do in ft. wayne indiana on a sunday night. man.. . i am so crazy, i still can't believe i went there when i wasn't entirely sure there was a concert.

emily

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hey everyone!
so, i need directions to the dayton show...to the memorial auditorium from
columbus, ohio. can anyone help me out? thanks so much!
becky
ps-approximately how long does it take to get there? :)

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 09:20:12 -0600
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i'd like to augment my boot collection from the current tour.  these are
the shows i have:
                  waterloo village - stanhope nj - 8/6/99 - 90 min
                  newport folk festival - 8/8/99 - 90 min
                  performing arts center - saratoga springs ny - 8/9/99
- 100 min
                  lilith fair - minneapolis, mn - 8/25/99 - 60 min
                  peace center - greenville sc - 9/25/99 - 110 min
                  alltel pavillion - raleigh nc - 9/26/99 - 110 min
                  belk arena - davidson nc - 10/2/99 - 110 min
                  knoxville civic auditorium - knoxville tn - 9/30/99 -
90 min * missing faye tucker and andy
                  beacon theatre - new york ny - 10/12/99 - 110 min
                  beacon theatre - new york ny - 10/13/99 - 110 min
                  wfuv radio interview - 10/13/99 - 60 min
                  mullins center - amherst ma - 10/16/99 - 110 min
                  berkeley community theatre - berkeley ca - 11/6/99 -
110 min
i'd be interested in receiving any others.

i also have the following boots i made months ago for someone who was
supposed to email me with their address.  if you are the person who is
waiting for them, let me know.  otherwise they're up for grabs:

                   oyster bay ny 8/29/90
                   university of rochester 4/27/91
                   suffragette sessions minneapolis 8/28/98

thanks for reading!  you can find the rest of my list at:
<http://www.geocities.com/felidae/boots.htm>
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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 11:08:42 -0500
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not that i have any firsthand knowledge, but the use of digital photography
and the availablility of various means of editing photos would seem to make
it relatively easy to paste the face or head of one individual onto the body
of another.

if you're stuck in a-o-hell there are other isps that provide most of the
same services without the porno spam and the disconnects.....

tim

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date: monday, december 13, 1999 7:21 am
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>indigo mel wrote:
>> i just was targetted with some xxxx web site spam...directed to people
who
>> have 'indigo girls' in their profiles.  no kidding.  i looked at the
email
>
>now i know i am not alone.  i was looking on the web this past week for
some
>good/different photos of a&e and ran a web search and got a very
interesting
>hit off of a xxx site - they claim to have photos of our heroines (ya know
>the kinda photos i mean folks)  and i'm thinking sha! right! it just annoys
>me that now either there are porn stars on some of these sites that call
>themselves the indigo girls or there are photos.  i just keep thinking of a
>fishbowl.  and before i get any e-mail asking for the addy - no i did not
>check it out!!!  i have no desire to.
>
>nan
>
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i'm pretty sure it was comparative religions or something like that for one
of them...

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 13:50:08 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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yeah, i have to say, i'm in agreement that ebay is a good tool if you're
buying *or* selling.  i've been switching my music collection over from
tapes to cds, and can't believe people buy tapes, but they do.  i guess some
use them in the car, or they just collect everything that's out on all
formats for certain artists... i mean, i'd never sell my ig, heart, or
aerosmith tapes, you know? and i think some people that still do tapes
(maybe they can't afford the astronomical prices for cds), are glad that
they still have a place to go to get that stuff.  and yes, i know that the
artist is not making a cut of my profit, but, you know, i paid for these
cassettes originally, and now i'm buying the cds, so i don't think that's a
bad thing.

the other thing is... well, you know, one man's trash is another man's
treasure... i have clothes that no longer fit... i sell them on ebay, i have
shoes that i've worn twice and now realize they kill my feet, maybe they'll
work for someone else... i sell them on ebay.  got broken
necklaces/bracelets/dented earrings?  if they're 14k, you can list it as
scrap gold on ebay.  got games/puzzles you never play with?  list it on
ebay.

i'm on a budget and ebay has become a small supplement to my income so that
i can do things like roadtrip to see ig and not have the trips kill me
financially.  i provide stuff that other people want and can use, without
them having to pour money into corporate america.

and i know it's not popular, but if stuff wasn't so damn expensive to buy
new, ebay wouldn't be doing as well as it is.  i mean, $18.99 for a cd???
that's robbery right there, i'm sorry the artists are getting screwed as
much as the consumers, but if prices were reasonable for stuff, i wouldn't
be scouring the used bins and ebay for the music i want.

tara

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in a message dated 12/13/99 10:52:34 am pacific standard time,
telane@trigon.com writes:

>  i mean, $18.99 for a cd???
you're paying 1899 for cds? where do you live? here they are 13.99 at the
independent stores and 14.99-16.99 at the major chains...i think you can get
them online from tower records as well for around 14 including shipping...

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just browsing on ebay and saw this for sale. "this is an offical framed gold
record produced by the riaa for the indigo girls for their self-titled
album". don't the girls or epic keep this stuff?

dottie

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not to mention places like cdnow.com or everycd.com, which have most of their
cds listing at $12.98 or so...  if you buy more than one at a time, shipping
doesn't add much more to the cost of each cd...

-graham

vesper evensong wrote:

> in a message dated 12/13/99 10:52:34 am pacific standard time,
> telane@trigon.com writes:
>
> >  i mean, $18.99 for a cd???
> you're paying 1899 for cds? where do you live? here they are 13.99 at the
> independent stores and 14.99-16.99 at the major chains...i think you can get
> them online from tower records as well for around 14 including shipping...

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        <just browsing on ebay and saw this for sale. "this is an offical
framed gold record produced by the riaa for the indigo girls for their
self-titled
> album". don't the girls or epic keep this stuff?>
>
        they make hundreds of these things, and present them to radio
stations in the areas where they sell well.  so, radio stations swap them
out every once in a while, and then they end up on the walls at hard rock
cafes around the world.  :)  i saw one for the self-titled at the hard rock
in baltimore.

        tara

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 13:19:10 -0800
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if anyone has an extra ticket to this, email me asap and we'll try to
arrange something.  everybody will be waiting in line that day!!! how does a
true fan do this?!?!?!?!

julie (who just now heard this on the radio and is pissed off)


>
>  joan morrison wrote:
>
>  > << i was just listening to 99x and they announced that
>  >  the star bar performance is going to be broadcast live
>  >  on 99x, and also on their web site: www.99x.com
>  >  again, it's december 16th @ 3pm. >>
>  >
>  > please tell me someone is going to tape this off the radio!!!!
>  >
>  > peace!
>  > =========
>  > joan :-d
>  >
>  > visit my home page:
>  > <a
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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 16:52:17 est
reply-to:     goldfilly@aol.com
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actually, emily was an english major (she once said if she wasn't a
singer/songwriter she'd be a high school english teacher). amy, on the other
hand, double majored in religion and english. hope that answered your
question.

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date:         tue, 14 dec 1999 08:55:01 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list but is more appropriate for
here instead... please direct any replies to the original sender
at clsrtofine@yahoo.com, not to me...

thanks,
sherlyn

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>date: mon, 13 dec 1999 09:50:39 -0800 (pst)
>from: nikki hass <clsrtofine@yahoo.com>
>subject: bootlegs
>
>hello!!!
>
>  i was wondering, hoping, someone would please have a
>bootleg of the december 8th 1999 milwaukee,wisconsin
>indigo girls concert.  i would greatly appreciate it.
>so so much. that was an outstanding concert!!!
>please let me know...
>
>thanks,
>nikki

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 17:48:08 -0500
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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subject:      ebay  jcs video    (getting out my asbestos for the flames)
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>from:    susan <snapper@bulloch.com>
>
>although it may be at costco, lots of places in the u.s. do not have
>costco stores, regionally and additionally, there are times when daemon
>is out of stock.  has anyone checked that lately to see if they are in?

of course, it is far better to gratify yourself immediately than to support
daemon.  as an added bonus, by purchasing the jcs cd or video on ebay, you
avoid sending money to the cause it was created to support.

ebay is great as a resource in general (i have both bought and sold there),
but i think most people here recognize that daemon is not just another
label trying to maximize profits.  imo it is worth a bit of extra money or
time to support an effort like hte and jcs (not to mention fine works by
michelle malone, kristen hall, new mongrels, danielle howle, and ana egge
among others).

for those of you who can wait long enough to buy from daemon (and how many
years has it been out now anyway?!), the video is available at
<https://www.daemonrecords.com/beta/buy.html> for a mere $15.

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 18:25:45 -0500
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from the newsgroup

-------- original message --------
subject: jesus christ superstar
date: wed, 08 dec 1999 14:25:32 +0000
from: "a. white" <awhite@mindspring.com>
organization: mindspring enterprises
newsgroups: alt.music.indigo-girls

hi,

i'm the label manager for amy's label, daemon records.  i noticed just
recently
that people are selling the jcs cds and videos  on ebay. these are
posted as "rare"
of which really isn't the case.   we have plenty of the cds and videos
in stock. please don't buy these unless it's cheaper than buying from
daemon.   the only reason this bothers us is it is a benefit project and
we would like to see the money go to the non-profit organizations that
deserve it.

peace,
andrea white
daemon records

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will the lovely ladies who are selling these two items please e-mail me?

cindy

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 18:59:20 est
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hi to all!

as my beloved nanci sings, "if wishes were changes," and i could wish on a
star, i'd do it tonight, because it's time for the geminids!   <a
href="http://www.spacescience.com/newhome/headlines/ast06dec99_1.htm">the
puzzling geminid meteor shower peaks on dec 13/14, 1999</a>

i just wanted to post this as a reminder for all of you fellow star gazers
out there!  i'll be sending my best wishes your way!

"fare thee well, my bright stars,"

vicki

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 18:20:25 -0800
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anyone out there with detailed info on the history of the tracks on the
early recordings discs, please e-mail me.
thanks
kari
http://www.kariandsandy.com/indigo.html

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date:         tue, 14 dec 1999 02:10:49 gmt
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all right, i know that some of you are a little worried because you can't
camp-out to be the first in line to see our girls at the tabernacle on
thursday or friday.  i know i was.  because of work, i won't be able to get
there until just before the doors open.
i writing to say, don't fret!  i went to my first concert at this relatively
new atlanta venue a couple weeks ago and was blown away.  i saw blink 182 (i
know, completely different crowd).  the kids were wrapped around the
building when i got there an hour before the doors opened.  i thought i was
screwed, but not so.  when i got inside i was amazed.  you can either stand
on the main floor in front of the stage or you can sit in either of the two
balconies.  the tabernacle is really small so even sitting in the balconies
you can see and hear extremely well and are still really close to the stage.
so don't worry, no matter how early or late you get there, you'll still have
a great spot to see and more importantly hear our beloved indigo girls.
mark

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 20:13:50 -0700
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first, thanks for all of you who write concert reviews.  my heart still
pitter-patters while reading each one as if i was there.  i was only
able to go to one show in denver (sat. night, nov. something), so i live
vicariously through all of you!  second, i feel extremely lucky, as do a
few thousand others who were at that concert, that i got to hear
philosophy of loss.  i wish you all could have been there.  as the song
ended, it looked as if emily was getting teary.  break my heart.  then
she said, "why don't we play something a little happier, yeah, this next
one is happier" (or something like that).  having seen ig 15 times (once
@ an hte dinner!), this was the most touching moment.  i am amazed that
with thousands of people around me, i can feel like i am the only one
there...gotta love those girls!
shelley

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 22:40:37 -0500
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<snip>
you wrote...

$18.99 for a cd???


</snip>
i'd pay that in a heart beat for some singles to complete my rem collection
( i have 2 45's that go for $100 each usually on ebay)
actually, i have a few original pressed u2 boot cds (mountains and deserts,
my friend said an blank check would be in my possession if i wanted to part
with it.

but then again, if i found a cdr of something i wanted, hell, it takes time
to make them - if i want to buy one instead of trading for it - 19 bucks is
still cheap. i suggest you keep an eye on say, bootlegs of paul mccartney's
club show will sell for on the web - my gues is around $25 or higher.

but also remember - people pay what they want - the mccartney show should be
easy to find a tape of, as it's being webcasted...


(ok, pre-emptive url http://www.msn.co.uk/cavern/  if this is being radio
cast in the uk - please let me know!!!!)

mike r.
who loved chicago and never saw vic c...

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date:         mon, 13 dec 1999 21:36:38 -0600
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having been a huge fan of the ig for 10-plus year, i got to see them live
for the first time dec. 1 in st. louis. i just wanted to share some of my
feelings on the show, which was an amazing experience beginning to end.
first of all, the fox theatre is not your average concert hall. a historic
building refurbished to its original grandeur, the venue itself is part of
the draw. we had 12th row seats, so i was thrilled and jumping up and down
like a little kid in anticipation of the evening (i'm 29, so the hopping up
and down thing was no doubt a thrill to my companion for the evening...this
was his first ig show as well.) mrs.fun was the very engergetic opening act
and they were met with enthusiasm by the crowd, which was not sold out, but
i would guess it was very close. amy and emily took the stage to open with
go, followed by trouble, both absolutely outstanding, rockin versions of
these fabulous songs. just like cons was something of a departure for ig,
this show rocked with a raw energy. the crowd was up and singing along and
dancing and it was really magical. next was three hits. again, just a
really cool live version of this old favorite of mine. get out the map
peaked the audience again, with everyone up and going. the sharp edge of
amy's scooter boys was beautifully balanced with emily's wonderful ballad
soon to be nothing. ozilline was next, a real treat for me. i wasn't sure
they'd play it, but was hoping. the song reminds me of my own grandmother
and when i was writing christmas cards the weekend following the concert, i
tried to explain the song to her. sadly, she passed away dec. 9, so i've
just really been struck by the beauty of the song again and have been
listening to it a lot as a comfort. go makes me feel closer to my
grandmother, too...a lot of the same themes that i relate to her. peace
tonight was a delight. land of caanan has always been one of my favorites
and i freaked out when they played it...really one of the night's
highlights for me. the audience was one for closer to fine, singing
together in a voice that made my heart happy. comprimise is a favorite from
cons and rocked out, naturally. cold beer and remote control is a mutual
favorite of my friend and i, and that was followed by amy's brilliant solo
johnny rotten. then came ghost, another highlight of a night of magic for
me. this song has been in my head and heart for years...keeping a little
bit of a first love with me always. i wept when i heard the song the first
time and it always touches me. emily's lyrics echo my feelings at that time
in a way that is just eerie and beautiful to me. they finished up the set
with faye tucker, a stunning version of power of two and shame on you.
encores started with mystery, which they dedicated to a young woman from
st. louis who had died recently. i believe amy spoke with someone in the
front of the audience who requested it. then gone again, possibly my
favorite as, again, it echoes a time in my life so perfectly. i was the
girl in college with two jobs and good grades and everything (seemingly) so
together. then a long, wonderful relationship broke down, i was faced with
staggering depression for a time and i moved back in my parents to work
(not at a grocery store, but at a j.c. penney's, so close) and get back on
my feet.  i'm happier now than i've ever been in my life, and ig music has
been there all along the way. they closed with galileo, a fitting, hopeful
tribute to the whole, fabulous night, which i will remember for a long,
long time. i was hoping to catch one more show before they wrap it up next
week, but i'm afraid that's not going to happen, so i'll hang on to the
happy memories of this one.
        does anyone, by any chance, have an audio of the 12/1 show or other show
on the cons tour they might share with me. it would be much appreciated.
just wanted to share my amazing ig experience.
peace-michelle
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> from: shelley n. stetler <sstetler@jeffco.k12.co.us>
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: philosophy of loss
> date: monday, december 13, 1999 9:13 pm
>
> first, thanks for all of you who write concert reviews.  my heart still
> pitter-patters while reading each one as if i was there.  i was only
> able to go to one show in denver (sat. night, nov. something), so i live
> vicariously through all of you!  second, i feel extremely lucky, as do a
> few thousand others who were at that concert, that i got to hear
> philosophy of loss.  i wish you all could have been there.  as the song
> ended, it looked as if emily was getting teary.  break my heart.  then
> she said, "why don't we play something a little happier, yeah, this next
> one is happier" (or something like that).  having seen ig 15 times (once
> @ an hte dinner!), this was the most touching moment.  i am amazed that
> with thousands of people around me, i can feel like i am the only one
> there...gotta love those girls!
> shelley
>
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having been a huge fan of the ig for 10-plus year, i got to see them live
for the first time dec. 1 in st. louis. i just wanted to share some of my
feelings on the show, which was an amazing experience beginning to end.
first of all, the fox theatre is not your average concert hall. a historic
building refurbished to its original grandeur, the venue itself is part of
the draw. we had 12th row seats, so i was thrilled and jumping up and down
like a little kid in anticipation of the evening (i'm 29, so the hopping up
and down thing was no doubt a thrill to my companion for the evening...this
was his first ig show as well.) mrs.fun was the very engergetic opening act
and they were met with enthusiasm by the crowd, which was not sold out, but
i would guess it was very close. amy and emily took the stage to open with
go, followed by trouble, both absolutely outstanding, rockin versions of
these fabulous songs. just like cons was something of a departure for ig,
this show rocked with a raw energy. the crowd was up and singing along and
dancing and it was really magical. next was three hits. again, just a
really cool live version of this old favorite of mine. get out the map
peaked the audience again, with everyone up and going. the sharp edge of
amy's scooter boys was beautifully balanced with emily's wonderful ballad
soon to be nothing. ozilline was next, a real treat for me. i wasn't sure
they'd play it, but was hoping. the song reminds me of my own grandmother
and when i was writing christmas cards the weekend following the concert, i
tried to explain the song to her. sadly, she passed away dec. 9, so i've
just really been struck by the beauty of the song again and have been
listening to it a lot as a comfort. go makes me feel closer to my
grandmother, too...a lot of the same themes that i relate to her. peace
tonight was a delight. land of caanan has always been one of my favorites
and i freaked out when they played it...really one of the night's
highlights for me. the audience was one for closer to fine, singing
together in a voice that made my heart happy. comprimise is a favorite from
cons and rocked out, naturally. cold beer and remote control is a mutual
favorite of my friend and i, and that was followed by amy's brilliant solo
johnny rotten. then came ghost, another highlight of a night of magic for
me. this song has been in my head and heart for years...keeping a little
bit of a first love with me always. i wept when i heard the song the first
time and it always touches me. emily's lyrics echo my feelings at that time
in a way that is just eerie and beautiful to me. they finished up the set
with faye tucker, a stunning version of power of two and shame on you.
encores started with mystery, which they dedicated to a young woman from
st. louis who had died recently. i believe amy spoke with someone in the
front of the audience who requested it. then gone again, possibly my
favorite as, again, it echoes a time in my life so perfectly. i was the
girl in college with two jobs and good grades and everything (seemingly) so
together. then a long, wonderful relationship broke down, i was faced with
staggering depression for a time and i moved back in my parents to work
(not at a grocery store, but at a j.c. penney's, so close) and get back on
my feet.  i'm happier now than i've ever been in my life, and ig music has
been there all along the way. they closed with galileo, a fitting, hopeful
tribute to the whole, fabulous night, which i will remember for a long,
long time. i was hoping to catch one more show before they wrap it up next
week, but i'm afraid that's not going to happen, so i'll hang on to the
happy memories of this one.
        does anyone, by any chance, have an audio of the 12/1 show or other
show
on the cons tour they might share with me. it would be much appreciated.
just wanted to share my amazing ig experience.
peace-michelle

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date:         tue, 14 dec 1999 00:19:07 -0500
reply-to:     carrie knepp <indigo4me@webtv.net>
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i would like info too please...
thanks...........carrie

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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date:         tue, 14 dec 1999 00:35:09 est
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i'm finally on a break from school, so since i have some free time i want to
put my pictures i took at bumbershoot (as bad as they may be...) on my web
site.  the problem is that i don't have a scanner, so in anticipation of
eventually sharing the pictures, i had the lovely people at kmart (just
about the only place i can afford these days, because of my cd habit) put
them on a disk for me.  so far so good.

the problem is that when i tried to upload them to my site, they are
huuuuuge. like, a gazillion mb.  so my question: is there a way to compress
them or something?  i don't want it to take 10 hours for a single picture to
load. any help will be greatly appreciated.  i have no idea what i'm doing
when it comes to computers.

liz

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date:         tue, 14 dec 1999 00:58:19 -0800
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hey ya'll,

just back from the dayton show--it was a rainy drive home to columbus, hmm,
kinda like amy's "sister" story...but in a station wagon. lol  anyway, fun
show.  we lucked out and were able to pay a bit more and upgrade our 8th
row to 2nd row amy's side.  it was a much smaller venue than either the
columbus or michigan shows--very cool.  set list--now this is off their
written version, there were some changes, so someone needs to help me out:

go/trouble/chickenman/ cold beer/land of canaan (was something else
substituted here?)/least complicated/sister (again, i don't remember them
actually playing sister, what was here???)/peace tonight/this
train/ctf/oziline/andy/?? (these were on set list)/airplane/faye
tucker/gotm/soy/ encore: wood song (va woolf is written, but they
substituted due to a big sign from the balcony :)/galileo

girls were smiley again.  amy especially.  they said there were a ton of
signs and requests that weren't on their list.  folks were yelling requests
at the beginning of faye t, & amy stopped, laughed and said "ah, all these
requests, i'm feeling very inadequate."  someone brought cookies again and
amy said the cookie retrieving was her job.  she went and got the tin, the
girl jumped on stage and security jumped the girl in a big way and started
dragging her out of the venue.  amy was *not* happy.  both a & e said
something and (i think) had them stop.  then they tried to lighten things
up by telling the story of one of their past concerts where someone was
arrested for standing.  amy said they went and bailed her out afterward.
music highlight for me was airplane, which they did w/the band out front.
very, very cool harmonies--and i usually calls airplane my least fav song!
my personal highlight--i made another sign for blair, this time it said
"blair still rocks."  he started cracking up and sent his drum tech out
afterward to ask for it.  i gave it to him and he gave me a drumstick and a
signed set list that says "thanks for the sign, love blair."  very cool.
ok, that wasn't the most informative review but i'm tired and i still have
to pack for my flight home in the morning!  have a great holiday everybody!

lisa

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seriously, it's only life afterall."--emily saliers

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and if people are too lazy to look up sites, don't have a credit card to buy
online, have no checking account (which you'd be amazed at the people that
fall into that demographic) , then what are they to do to get this video?
daemon profits from the initial purchase.  i really think that's enough for
them to recoup.  and also, that is $15 plus shipping and tax!   you have to
look at the cost in totality, not just the cost of the item.

as i previously stated, sellers only set the initial price at which they are
willing to let something go for and 9 times out of the proverbial ten,
that's the only bid they get.  only if something is in demand or the bidder
has reasons why he/she can't find or buy via the norms, this is her/his only
option and greed, need or whatever takes it from there.  i do not think it
is right for the seller to have to cease the auction after they get the
initial bid and prohibit further bids.  that's a form of censorship of
possession rights imho.

susan
long live ebay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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> anyone out there with detailed info on the history
> of the tracks on the
> early recordings discs, please e-mail me.

go.to/indigogirls

has an excelent bootleg overview, and a pretty good
article on the history of the igs recordings.


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ok, my weekly vent:

>from the yet another reason not to vote for george w. department:
ralph reed has signed on as a senior advisor in his campaign. yikes.

>from the consumer nation department:
my girlfriend got a "free" subscription to u.s.news & world report when she
signed up for her cell phone. the magazine comes yesterday, and i open it
up, and there's an ad for altavista in the first couple of pages. it
diagrams an f-16 fighter plane, and displays altavista's comparison shopping
tool with santa's request to compare an f-16 with a reindeer.  the text
includes something like "santa will be delivering presents much faster with
an f-16, capable of flying 1000+ miles per hour. and with [component name]
cannons, x rounds of ammunition, your presents will be safe." finally, at
the bottom, the question "does altavista really sell military aircraft?" and
an answer along the lines of "no, but we would if we could, and we would get
you a better deal than the defense department gets." i don't know about you,
but i'm frightened.

>from the "what if we threw a march and nobody came?" department:
i've been thinking about the millenium march on washington. i was at the
ngltf conference last year, and listened to what the ad hoc committee for an
open process had to say. for those who don't know, hrc and the metropolitan
community church decided to throw a big march in washington this coming
spring. they got a lot of groups to join in with them initially, but also
instilled alot of resentment. they didn't bring a lot of groups to the
planning table, marginalizing and homogenizing the diverse members of the
queer community.  a committee was formed to attempt to make them open the
process up, which has met with some success. many key members of key
organizations who had joined the board for the march stepped down after
seeing the opposition (kerry lobel from ngltf, for example). the board is
still pulling stunts like announcing with less than a week's notice that
they would include a question period at the end of their board meeting this
past week, or planning a "town hall" meeting for concerned dc community
members, but scheduling it less than a month before the march itself, when
there is really no time to change anything. they are having a concert the
night before, with tickets starting at something like $35 and going into the
hundreds. announced guests thus far are melissa etheridge, anne heche, and
ellen degeneres. anybody else see anything lopsided about that bill?
ok, here's my point. i have been completely deragtory of the planners and
the plans. i don't think this is the time for a march, or the proper reason
to have one. but i'm going to be there. why?  cause a republican senator
looking out his window is not going to see my reasons. if nobody is there,
he is going to say "see, there weren't that many of them, after all." or
"wow are they disorganized." same with anybody tuning in to the news. like
it or not, the group that shows up in washington is going to represent queer
america to the rest of the world. does that make sense, or am i guilty of
faulty logic? this is the first time i've formulated this argument, so i was
curious if people agreed or disagreed.

grouching in the rain,
sarah
spinsker@goucher.edu

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--- sarah pinsker <spinsker@goucher.edu> wrote:

> from the yet another reason not to vote for george
> w. department
> ralph reed has signed on as a senior advisor in his
> campaign. yikes.

trying to appease the conservative and religious right
voters who think he's too much of a democrat...

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well, i'm off to australia (first to tokyo and then to australia), so i am signing off until after i am home in the us.  anyway, i hope everyone has a great holiday (whatever you celebrate) and a happy new year.

:-) karen

ps- sherlyn, i will call you after i arrive in sydney!  :-)

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i was just browsing ebay yesterday and was very disappointed to see
someone selling a video i had made for them.  for future reference, any
boots i make for people are made with the understanding that they will
not be sold.  i don't believe in selling boots and i feel this makes me
an unwilling accomplice in doing so.  if i find out that you have sold
boots that i made for you, i will no longer trade with you.  please be
considerate of my wishes.  thank you.

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  i have a 10 month old puppy that i am being forced to get rid of.  he
is my pride and joy, but unfortunately i don't have the money to move
elsewhere.  he is mostly potty trained, and can it, come when called,
lets you clip his nails, and loves to be loved...any inquiries please
email me...please help me find a good home for him.  i can't take him to
the humane society...and the no-kill shelters are full here....again
please help...
peace and love,
          carrie
p.s.  he loves the indigo girls....

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date:         tue, 14 dec 1999 08:10:47 -0800
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>  then they
> tried to lighten things
> up by telling the story of one of their past
> concerts where someone was
> arrested for standing.  amy said they went and
> bailed her out afterward.

that's the best!  can you imagine that
heehee...sitting in jail and who bails you out??  amy
and emily...heehee.  i've never been in jail - but i
have to say - if amy and emily were the ones bailing
me out - well, that would just kick my ass.
*laughing*

anyhoo - i think i need some sleep...
take it easy,
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i agree totally...imagine amy and emily bailing you out of jail...lol
that would almost make it worth the jailtime...lol i am crazy i know....
peace and love,
        carrie

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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the following is info that is on the girls official web page under the "news"
section.

singing together since high school and friends long before that, the indigo
girls have been a powerful force in the music world since they released their
first album in 1989. that album won the duo a grammy award for best
contemporary folk group. now, after ten years of inspired writing, recording
and unabashed honesty, the indigo girls are still going strong, delivering
instantly recognizable music that has earned them a permanent place within
the world of american music. bold and reflective, their latest album come on
now social is an energetic synthesis of serious contemplation and impassioned
action. brave and funny, it's another groundbreaking work from the indigo
girls. join hob.com as bring you this live yahoo chat with the indigo girls
on december 17, 1999.

visit the official indigo girls website: www.indigogirls.com.

indigo girls appears courtesy of sony music/epic records.

be sure to check out the hob.com video cybercast of indigo girls from house
of blues las vegas on december 22 as day 11 of 12 days of christmas.

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has anyone found a time for this?
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according to hob.com it's friday, december 17 - 3:00 pm pst / 6:00 pm est

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hkf's,

the listmeet plans for thursday & friday are the following:  after each
show, we will all meet at the latitudes lounge in the omni hotel (in the cnn
center).  this lounge is open until 2am plus it's just a few blocks away
from the tabernacle.

it might be a bit of a fancy-schmancy kind of a place - but since fellow
listee cathy will have a room at the hotel, then we pretty much will own the
place and can sing whatever renditions we would like.  it's so close to the
tabernacle that in the least it will be a good place to meet up.

"new latitudes lounge - downtown's newest upscale gathering place located in
the omni hotel at cnn center. coffee bar and pastry shop in the mornings,
cocktails and more in the evening.  404/818-4452"

any questions, feel free to e-mail me up until 5pm tomorrow.  and i have a
little map on my listmeet page plus some links for the tabernacle and the
omni hotel - so check that out too.  two days left!!!  (my picks: r&j and
little darlin' - there's always hope)

-mike
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just go go go..."

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i got this from the rockrgrl website: http://www.rockrgrl.com

january/february rockrgrl will feature the indigo girls! don't miss this
insightful look at these women who are more musically diverse than you
might think.

erica

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-------- original message --------
subject: shawnie mullins!!
date: tue, 14 dec 1999 14:43:20 -0400
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to: eddie@eddiesattic.com

you get the official word first...

- shawn mullins will be playing at eddie's attic on sunday, december 26.
- there will be two shows: 7:00 all ages/no smoking and 9:30
21&over/smoking.
- shawn will share the bill with his pal matthew kahler - what a night!!
- cover charges will be announced later.
- we will use the number system:  come get a number as early as 4:00 for
either show.  when the doors open (6:00 for the early show, 9:00 for the
late)
we will call your party into the music room in the order of your
number.  one
person can get one number for up to eight people.
- the outside bar will be open from 4:00 on, so you can hang around all
afternoon if you want!

call or email with any questions.  hope to see you soon...

- amy at the attic
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there's a nice little review of cons in the december issue of curve
(which also happens to have melissa etheridge on the cover for those
interested).  it's very short, but favorable, and includes a small
version of one of the promotional pictures as well.  text is below:

indigo girls
come on now social

another album, another journey down the passionate and spiritually
charged road the indigo girls continue to craft.  stuffed full of the
special version of down-home finger lickin' good folk, come on now
social is nothing less than magnificent.  ethereal it is, with songs
like opener "go" abd "sister" which exemplify the brimming bellows and
angst of amy ray.  emily saliers' thoughtful lyrics and provacative
guitar picking are omnipresent, especially on such songs as "we are
together":  "the girl's known trouble the wind's to blame/it blew her
to nay town usa.... and where we go remains nameless/a motion picture
alive and frameless."

guest appearances by joan osbourne abd sheryl crow (backup vocals) and
me'shell ndegeocello (bass).

(copied without permission as usual <g>)

jean

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some people were asking about stickers.  my friend lynn had some 'ig' ones
made - you know, the little oval kind like the obx ones for 'outer banks'
and 'mv' ones for martha's vineyard?  they're cool.  i can't remember how
much they cost, but i think she's selling them for only a little over cost -
like a buck or two per sticker.  email her, not me for details or to buy one
at: ledillard@yahoo.com

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> according to hob.com it's friday, december 17 - 3:00
> pm pst / 6:00 pm est

...which is this coming friday.   wahoo! :o)

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>>daemon profits from the initial purchase<<

actually, as in the case of the jcs video and others, daemon doesn't
profit, the profit goes to a number of charitable causes.  so when you
buy something on ebay that could buy from daemon, it's not daemon that
loses money.

i buy and sell on ebay too, and i do think for some things it's a great
way to pick up things you otherwise couldn't get.  but some things you
can get another way.

jean

--- susan <snapper@bulloch.com> wrote:
> and if people are too lazy to look up sites, don't have a credit card
> to buy
> online, have no checking account (which you'd be amazed at the people
> that
> fall into that demographic) , then what are they to do to get this
> video?
> daemon profits from the initial purchase.  i really think that's
> enough for
> them to recoup.  and also, that is $15 plus shipping and tax!   you
> have to
> look at the cost in totality, not just the cost of the item.
>
> as i previously stated, sellers only set the initial price at which
> they are
> willing to let something go for and 9 times out of the proverbial
> ten,
> that's the only bid they get.  only if something is in demand or the
> bidder
> has reasons why he/she can't find or buy via the norms, this is
> her/his only
> option and greed, need or whatever takes it from there.  i do not
> think it
> is right for the seller to have to cease the auction after they get
> the
> initial bid and prohibit further bids.  that's a form of censorship
> of
> possession rights imho.
>
> susan
> long live ebay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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jean moses wrote:

> i buy and sell on ebay too, and i do think for some things it's a great
> way to pick up things you otherwise couldn't get.  but some things you
> can get another way.

which i think is the point, actually.  if we do nothing else in this
consumer-laden, profit-driven society of ours, let's at least make little
choices, like making sure worthwhile causes, artists, events, etc get
their fare share.  brand names are a dime a dozen; thinking consumers are
not.

-graham

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>from:    susan <snapper@bulloch.com>
>
>and if people are too lazy to look up sites,

since i was talking specifically about members of this list and their
support of daemon, the logical action is to ask right here.

good thing all of us don't cut moral corners when we're too lazy to do the
right thing (or even investigate the options).

>don't have a credit card to buy
>online, have no checking account (which you'd be amazed at the people that
>fall into that demographic) ,

daemon takes all the same forms of payment as any ebay vendor.

>then what are they to do to get this video?
>daemon profits from the initial purchase.  i really think that's enough for
>them to recoup.  and also, that is $15 plus shipping and tax!   you have to
>look at the cost in totality, not just the cost of the item.

and the ebay seller won't charge for shipping?

justify your actions to your heart's content.  i think $18 for the jcs
video is a deal, i can't imagine saving enough money buying a 2nd-hand copy
(and potentially a dub) to bother.

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as i said in a message i sent out

if you look to see who al have bid on the jcs video
then you can get their emails and email then  and tell them about daemon
this  then
1 probally stops them bidding higher then what the vids worth since its
avaialable
2  allows more ig folks get get more ig stuff
3 gets more money for the  charities thatdaemon supports


think about it then not only does the high bidder get the video
so does everyone who bid on it its a win win situatoin

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okay, so after a little period of lostness (yeah, i know that's not a word,
but oh well), bethany and i managed to make it to the memorial hall. (lisa
tat., we saw you at the merchandise stand when we first came in, but we
weren't positive it was you and beth was too embarrassed to be wrong. :))

i seriously think this was the best show i've seen. loved it. wow. they were
really laid back and cute.

okay, first things first--rose polenzani. i hadn't really enjoyed the
snippets of her that i'd heard up until then, but she was really great last
night! damn, that girl can wail--i was really impressed with her.

the fashion thing: amy was sporting that shirt that she wore a lot during
the sots tour and for a lot of the sots promos--the reddish one with the
diamond or spotted design. hard to describe. and she was wearing these
wicked, dark-colored jeans cinched with a big ol' belt. yum. :) emily wore a
grey t-shirt under a open red, button-down shirt. i think she was wearing
the blue camo pants, and of course, the patented sparkly eye shadow.

lisa pretty much went through the whole set list, so i won't rehash except
to say that yes, they did play land of canaan, and they did not play sister,
although i can't for the life of me remember what they substituted there.
she did forget that during the encore, they did "or" with rose p., which,
with a&e's added harmonies, was amazing!!!

airplane was really cool--the female members of the band did the roche's
vocal parts, and i thought they did a really good job.

the band rocked!! i love blair--this the first cons show i've seen, so bear
with me--and i think he adds a lot to their sound, along with the rest of
the band. a&e really seem to be able to just sit back and jam and do
whatever they want in terms of sound and experimentation. love it!

here's some cute dialogue:

amy: how are y'all doin'?
**crowd cheers**
amy: i think we're good. are we good?
emily: we're good.


emily: are those cookies? (audience member waves cookie canisters in the
air) did you make them yourself?
amy: i'm in charge of cookies. (runs to the front of the stage and grabs the
cookies)

they seemed really relaxed and like they were having a very good time up
there. amy stopped playing during a lot of emily's guitar solos and just
clapped along with her. she also did this funky clapping rhythm during faye
tucker, i think (?)--very cool. both smiled a lot, laughed a lot, interacted
with the audience. they weren't especially chatty, although both of them
readily spoke up when that security guard was dragging the girl off the
stage. (the girl just wanted to tell them that it was her birthday, so we
all sang to her as she was being dragged out of the auditorium ;)

okay, i think i've rambled enough--suffice to say that it was a great show,
and very well worth the ride back to bethany's in columbus in the pouring
rain. thanks for reading... :)

shannon

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sheryl, i know exactly what you're talking about.

i compiled a bunch of girl punk/girl band shows and videos, and have traded a
couple of copies. a few months ago i was looking thru ebay, and saw the video
i made for sale, going for almost $50! needless to say, i was extremely
pissed off.

kisha

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> if you look to see who al have bid on the jcs video
> then you can get their emails and email then  and
> tell them about daemon
> this  then
> 1 probally stops them bidding higher then what the
> vids worth since its

this is considered unethical, though.  bidders can get
negative feedback under their user id when they make a
bid and then back out on it, and e-bay supposedly has
some recourse against people who e-mail others and
tell them they're paying too much. this is kind of a
sticky area. of course, the bidder could always change
their e-bay user id... :o) perhaps they weren't aware,
but i feel like it's each person's responsibility to
ask questions and comparison shop.  on the other hand,
i do realize there may be people who don't know about
this list, the ig web site,etc. and therefore don't
know what resources are available.

actually about six months ago i saw someone had the
high bid of $30 for the jcs video.  i thought long and
hard about it for a while, and then ended up e-mailing
them to tell them they could get it from daemon for
$15. fortunately, the girl was eventually outbid (so
she didn't have to withdraw her bid), and she wrote me
back and thanked me profusely for letting her know.

peace!

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--- joan morrison <morrison_joan@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > according to hob.com it's friday, december 17 -
> 3:00
> > pm pst / 6:00 pm est
>
> ...which is this coming friday.   wahoo! :o)

hey where are y'all gettin this info from?  i went to
the epic site, the hob site (which i just figured out
stands for house of blues), and yahoo chat site and
didn't see a thing.

(at first i thought it said 3 pm-6pm i was like, wow,
they're doing a three hour chat.)

lori (who was told she had no friends online when she
stopped by the yahoo chat site):

oh, and the michelle malone christmas cd came last
week!  highly recommende if you like jazz, blues, or
michelle.


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not if its after the auctoin has ended

on tue, 14 dec 1999, joan morrison wrote:

> > if you look to see who al have bid on the jcs video
> > then you can get their emails and email then  and
> > tell them about daemon
> > this  then
> > 1 probally stops them bidding higher then what the
> > vids worth since its
>
> this is considered unethical, though.  bidders can get
> negative feedback under their user id when they make a
> bid and then back out on it, and e-bay supposedly has
> some recourse against people who e-mail others and
> tell them they're paying too much. this is kind of a
> sticky area. of course, the bidder could always change
> their e-bay user id... :o) perhaps they weren't aware,
> but i feel like it's each person's responsibility to
> ask questions and comparison shop.  on the other hand,
> i do realize there may be people who don't know about
> this list, the ig web site,etc. and therefore don't
> know what resources are available.
>
> actually about six months ago i saw someone had the
> high bid of $30 for the jcs video.  i thought long and
> hard about it for a while, and then ended up e-mailing
> them to tell them they could get it from daemon for
> $15. fortunately, the girl was eventually outbid (so
> she didn't have to withdraw her bid), and she wrote me
> back and thanked me profusely for letting her know.
>
> peace!
>
> =====
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>
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> http://www.hometown.aol.com/joanm12345/index.html
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i, like an idiot, wrote:

> hey where are y'all gettin this info from?

never mind.  i followed the right link and found it.

hey btw, anybody notice a different pic on the main
page of the epic site?  earlier today i was on a pc
and saw this really gorgeous black and white pic of
the a&e reclining, but now i'm on a mac and there's
that same coffee's hot and corn is high picture.  ???

lori ann


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