lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-01a


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date:         fri, 31 dec 1999 22:08:19 pst
reply-to:     diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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i'm in l.a. for the holidays, and heard emily say, "we're the indigo girls!"
on a channel 103.1 fm advertisement.  just wanted to be among the first to
say, have a safe and happy new year!

diane :)
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date:         sat, 1 jan 2000 21:02:07 +0900
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happy new year, everyone!!!

i am *finally* home from my study abroad in japan (and of course my winter holiday in australia!).  i must say, it feels good to be back in the states (although i really miss japan and australia).  in a few weeks, i should be back to trading boots.  when that happens, i will post my ig boot web page.  :-)

it was so awesome, because yesterday, a friend and i hit a couple of cd stores in chicago.  anyway, both of the stores had extra ig posters that they were happy to give me!!!  and i thought i'd miss out on all the free posters by being in japan!  ;-)

happy new year and heaps of indigo love!

:-) karen


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date:         sat, 1 jan 2000 15:45:18 est
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nyka95@aol.com wrote:
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hey, maybe we should set up a peer counsleing list for new guitar players!
;-)

hey, i had the same thought the other day... there do seem to be a lot of
guitarists who want advice for whatever reason on this list... maybe we should
look into it more seriously.

any thoughts?

meredith

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date:         sat, 1 jan 2000 18:48:04 -0600
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subject:      re: nigc- another book recommendation
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hey  there!!

i've been wanting  a book  to  teach  myself
rebuttals  to  bible-thumping homophobes
for a ;long time  father daniel helminiac's  book was very informative
and comforting.  but my question has always sad, "okay.  so the bible is
really not so cut and dry and literal as the fundamentaliststs take,
regarding homosexuality.  how  can i respond to 'god created adam and
eve not god and steve?''

right now  my way  of handling that  is  to
say, ' actually well, i dont  believe in  "adam and eve,"  or that the
world was made insix days for sure. it could have happened, but it's
more llikely  that god took spent  more time.
it looks more, and more evident that  the world was created  in the
order the bible suggests,  but  if there was an "adam and eve they would
evolved slowly over thosands of years."

tell that to some christians  from the far right,
that and they tell me "that's a lie."  or "are you
calling god a liar" or ,quote some verse of how twisting god's  word  is
a sin...."   really dumb
i  know  but it's not pleasant to be in need  of
prayer  only  to be told  you can't be healed unless you change your
oppinion  on homosexuality.  your book just might help.

peace,

barb.

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date:         sat, 1 jan 2000 21:57:34 est
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i rather like amy's hair when it was short, black, and laid flat on her head (like that "caesar" cut)not sure what time that was, maybe between so and 1200c...and emily's during the letterman show when she had those blue john lennon glasses on (anybody remember that show when they sang bmhawk?) anywhooooo, my $.02
-earthgrrl

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date:         sun, 2 jan 2000 00:45:49 -0800
reply-to:     mememi@excite.com
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from:         julie libes <mememi@excite.com>
subject:      re: nigc- another book recommendation
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>  i've been wanting  a book  to  teach  myself
>  rebuttals  to  bible-thumping homophobes
>  for a ;long time  father daniel helminiac's  book was very informative
>  and comforting.  but my question has always sad, "okay.  so the bible is
>  really not so cut and dry and literal as the fundamentaliststs take,
>  regarding homosexuality.  how  can i respond to 'god created adam and
>  eve not god and steve?''
>

i think the "adam and eve not adam and steve" comment does not prove
anything.  it simply reflects the fact that the person making this comment
thinks that homosexuality is a sin.  counter this by simply saying: "the
bible does say the adam and eve were the first two people created by god,
but i do not see how this helps your argument that homosexuality is a sin.
nowehere in genesis is it suggested that the fact that the two first human
beings on the planet were of the opposite sex in any way condems
homosexuality."

also point out that god also created jonathan and david who loved eachother
very much.  a very strong argument could be made that their love was
romantic (like when jonathan's father screams at him for the impropriety of
his relationship with david and threatens to withold the throne because of
it, and when they kiss and weep together when they have to part, and when
david laments at jonathan's death saying "your love to me was wonderful,
passing the love of women").
(1 samuel 18:1-4, 1 samuel 20:30, 1 samuel 20:41-42, 2 samuel 1:26).

don't let the bastards get you down,
julie ;-)

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date:         sun, 2 jan 2000 23:34:01 -0600
reply-to:     barbara bordner <barbarafrommn@webtv.net>
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hello everyone,

dropping a line to say i hope everything is going your way.  take care.

peace

barb

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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 03:38:27 -0500
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ok folks, ask and you shall receive...i created the indigo-guitarists list
at egroups for the benefit of all who are interested. the easiest way to
subscribe is to send an e-mail to indigo-guitarists-subscribe@egroups.com

have fun,
tim

http://havanamoon.8m.com

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date: saturday, january 01, 2000 3:46 pm
subject: re: [re: ouch my poor fingers...]


>nyka95@aol.com wrote:
><snip!>
>hey, maybe we should set up a peer counsleing list for new guitar players!
>;-)
>
>hey, i had the same thought the other day... there do seem to be a lot of
>guitarists who want advice for whatever reason on this list... maybe we
should
>look into it more seriously.
>
>any thoughts?
>
>meredith
>
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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 14:29:47 +0100
reply-to:     "i am 32 flavors and then some..." <tisara@www.webworqs.com>
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subject:      birthdays!!!!!! (january 3rd through 9th)
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h a p p y ***** n e w ***** y e a r ***** e v e r y o n e ***** !!!!!!!!!!

happy birthday to the following...

january 4 ('71)
igsoulmate@hotmail.com (jamie suthard)


note: *****yay***** happy birthday jamie!!!!!  when we see each other
again i will make sure to have a present all ready...that sounds bad, but
when doesn't what i say sound bad? *grins* thank you so much for
everything and anything over the years...may we be friends for many years
to come.  love you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
:)

january 5
rucr57a@prodigy.com (rodney s. wicker)

january 8 ('70)
sparkle@primenet.com (pamela shaw)

january 9
(jen lucero)

* live at the uptown lounge, 9 january 1990


love to you all,
audra
bge

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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 09:44:31 est
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hi y'all. i have a question concerning cdr. i read the package and it said not to put any labels on the cdr surface. does anyone knows why? i feel weird writing on it though. will the ink sip through the cd? is a regular sharpie permanant marker ok? thanks

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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 11:14:21 -0500
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sorry, i sent this to the wrong list. so, i hope you don't get
it twice.

cath

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subject:    new year blues - thank you!
author: catherine spinale
date:       1/3/00 9:30 am

what would i do without all of you to hold my hand?  it seems that all i've ever
done on this list is bitch and moan and cry and pout.  but y'all have always
been there for me and i just want to thank all of you who wrote me back.  i feel
much better now.

to tim, julie, kelly and everyone else who hasn't yet heard from me, i'm getting
back to you today.

thanks again to all of my kind friends.

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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 09:30:20 -0700
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the reason they tell you not to put labels on your cd-r is because most labels you could put on the surface aren't designed to go on cd-rs, and will unbalance the cd while it's spinning.  if you go out and buy actual cd labels, and also get a device that will
center the label on the cd for you, then you shouldn't have any problems with putting labels on the cd-r.  but even just like an address label on a cd-r will cause it to jitter while spinning, meaning that it'll be difficult for most players to play.

yes, a sharpie marker will work fine for writing on cd-r surfaces.  you don't have to worry about any ink seeping through the plastic -- that'd take a much stronger solvent than marker ink to do that.

-graham

shedyskin@aol.com wrote:

> hi y'all. i have a question concerning cdr. i read the package and it said not to put any labels on the cdr surface. does anyone knows why? i feel weird writing on it though. will the ink sip through the cd? is a regular sharpie permanant marker ok? thanks

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missed one!!!!!!!!!!!! *heh*

january 7th...  ('54)
mark lichtenberger <mlichten@nortelnetworks.com>
"the apathy of time laughs in your face,
did you hear me say, each life has it's place"
                                                  emily saliers

h i p p o b i r d i e s * t w o e w e s * too!!!!!!!! :)

--audra
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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 13:33:54 est
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so we know who had snow during the holidays...
but who had sun, sand, and rolling water?

yesterday evening, right around 5:45 pm, sunset time, on long boat key,
florida:  my family and i were on the beach, a few houses down from our own,
enjoying some drinks and food with good friends.  it was warm - even the
setting sun felt spectacular.  as it lowered towards the horizon it changed
from orange to a rosy pink.  and as it disappeared into the blue waters of
the gulf three dolphins swam across the shoreline.  after the sun was gone a
warm purple glow spread upward from the horizon.

it was a magical moment.  one i'll hopefully remember forever.  what a way
to end my vacation with my family, start the new year.  it was perfection.
i was reminded of emily thanking "this sweet life" in cons.  just then life
was very sweet.

i hope you all had similar moments wherever you were - mountaintops,
hillsides, the fireplace hearth.

lisa
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well, i didin't have it quite that pretty, but yesterday the temp. here in sc
got up to about 70 and i think it must be about 75 today!   pretty amazing for
january!

peace,
sharon

little lis wrote:

> so we know who had snow during the holidays...
> but who had sun, sand, and rolling water?
>
> yesterday evening, right around 5:45 pm, sunset time, on long boat key,
> florida:  my family and i were on the beach, a few houses down from our own,
> enjoying some drinks and food with good friends.  it was warm - even the
> setting sun felt spectacular.  as it lowered towards the horizon it changed
> from orange to a rosy pink.  and as it disappeared into the blue waters of
> the gulf three dolphins swam across the shoreline.  after the sun was gone a
> warm purple glow spread upward from the horizon.
>
> it was a magical moment.  one i'll hopefully remember forever.  what a way
> to end my vacation with my family, start the new year.  it was perfection.
> i was reminded of emily thanking "this sweet life" in cons.  just then life
> was very sweet.
>
> i hope you all had similar moments wherever you were - mountaintops,
> hillsides, the fireplace hearth.
>
> lisa
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in a message dated 1/3/00 2:26:53 pm eastern standard time,
indi5479@yahoo.com writes:

<< well, i didin't have it quite that pretty, but yesterday the temp. here in
sc
got up to about 70 and i think it must be about 75 today!   pretty amazing
for
january!

peace,
sharon >>


baltimore hit 72 on new years day.........unbelievable!!!     you would think
we were in fl.    :)

indi

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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 15:14:03 -0600
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the address flavia.gagin@barksdale.af.mil is no longer used. please send all
of the ig e-mails to:

flavia130@hotmail.com

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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 16:27:44 est
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subject:      nigc - books
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since we're talking books ;)
prometheus books is a freethought publisher and they have tons of good books
that analyze the bible and religion in general.  their website is
www.prometheusbooks.com - you can search their site for their list of books,
although the books themselves are probably cheaper from amazon.com...

the one that i wanted for christmas ;) was the encylopedia of biblical
errancy...my mom didn't get it for me so it's still on my wish list.

another one of my favorites is bertrand russell...he wrote some great stuff
on religion and science.

:) lisa (resident atheist)

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daemon records announce - http://www.daemonrecords.com

happy new year everyone,

to celebrate the new millennium we've just launched daemon radio.    this
will be a regular feature on our site with a new show about every month.
each show will have about an hour of tunes and talk with a very special
guest dj to help get you through your day.   it won't be just daemon
tracks either.  if the host has a special indie cd they're digging on and
would like to share it with you, we'll provide the info on how and where
you can get it.

go to: http://daemonrecords.interspeed.net/radio/   listen to our first
radio show with special guest host, amy ray, playing 45 minutes of her
favorite daemon tracks.


we've posted a new cool site of the month and stacey has something to tell
you in stacey's lair.


lot's more to come this month.  we'll keep you up to date.

support your local artists and stores.

peace,
the girls of daemon

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cool deal i am in tampa and lovin' the 80 degree temp for today

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> behalf of little lis
> but who had sun, sand, and rolling water?
>
> yesterday evening, right around 5:45 pm, sunset time, on long boat key,

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subject:      re: nigc--female circumcision

i'm going to mess up the name, but there is a new book
out by a woman who fled togo the night before she was to
be mutilated. she was arrested for entering the u.s. with
forged documentation, imprisoned for over a year and
finally released in the face of massive public outrage
over her case.

she was in flight from torture, but the ins judge in her
case did not believe female genital mutilation was an
actual practice. he believed she was making it up to
enter the country illegally.

her name is fauzia kasinga (sorry, the spelling is wrong
and i can't remember the title of the book.)

i saw it in trade paperback a couple of months ago.

she's a remarkable young woman to have escaped her
country, this practice and the bigotry and ignorance of
the american justice system.

kc
> if you get a reply for this, please also drop me an email.,  i would love to
> get involved in working on this issue in any way.
>
> julie
>
>
> on thu, 30 dec 1999 22:36:26 est, emilyraliers@aol.com wrote:
>
> >  does anyone know of any group or organization that i and my friends could
> get
> >  in touch with to try to help do something about the barbaric practice of
> >  female circumcision? we are talking about it on another list and it is
> >  horrifying...
> >  --vesper
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alright, i was being creative at 2 am again last
night, so i thought i'd share my insight with all of
you, whether you're interested or not.  drum roll,
please...

*ahem*
lori's predictions for the new year (decade, century,
millenium, whatever)

- indigo girls stopover in honolulu on their way to
and from australia but don't even consider playing
here
- lori boots the sound of their airplane and offers
it to the list--it quickly becomes an obsessedfan
favorite (and a unique addition to your collection)
- major labels are considered "so 20th century," and
there is a huge indie revolution until matador and
kill rock stars control 80% of the music industry (and
daemon merges with long play to create play all dae
long, mon records)
- razor and tie releases the dar williams dance
collection, available only through special tv offer
- a junior executive at mtv comes up with a
revolutionary programming idea--air music videos
- emily is featured on cover of the september issue
of banjo player magazine
- record execs tell the nields they need to shorten
the title of their new album and they retalliate by
changing it to "if you lived here you'd be home
already but you don't so you're still out playing
guitar at 2 a.m. and coming down with pneumonia"
- amy is featured on the cover of the october issue
of new mandolin music monthly magazine
- the hidden track craze goes too far as artists
begin hiding the entire album
and my favorite:
- indigo girls find out they're not y2k compliant and
play this setlist for a month:
if you live like that
lifeblood
holy city
never stop
land of canaan
american tune
fire and rain
nashville
crazy game
romeo & juliet
play it again, sam
love of the common people
make this house a home
up in smoke
everybody's waiting
don't give up on me baby
get together

happy new year!
lori (who will snap and burn the next cd she gets that
has a hidden track on it)


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hey folks,

this is forwarded from the newsgroup...

-sherlyn


---begin forwarded message---
>from: d28if@aol.com (d 28if)
>date: 30 dec 1999 13:45:20 gmt
>
>a late review coming from "goldmine," 1/14/00.
>
>indigo girls
>come on now social
>
>listeners who come to indigo girls by way of the atlanta-based duo's radio
>singles will find "peace tonight," the first release from "come on now
social,"
>comfortably familiar, full up as it is with airy harmonies that are as
near to
>a signature sound as the folk act has.  less likely to resonate with
>non-initiates is the punk-style rhythm of "compromise," but it's razor edges
>are as integral a part of the substantive album's design as the peppy horns
>that lace its fellow tune.
>
>the two singers can be downright militant in style and lyric when occasion
>arises, draping social angst with a stretched-out guitar screech accent in
>"trouble."  the opener "go" is much the same, full of electric rock that is a
>good acidic match for the verses that roll off of amy ray's tongue.  the
>gentler style of the emily saliers-led (and sheryl crow-bacdked) "cold
beer and
>remote control" slips its needle in more easily, but it is no less a
meditation
>on subtle agonies.
>
>while issue-oriented rants such as the indictment of a merciless system in
>"faye tucker" (who, in 1998, was the first woman executed in texas since the
>civil war) are plentiful, finely rendered pieces such as "soon be to nothing"
>and the vignette of ray's grandmother, "ozilline," give human portraiture
time
>equal to that spent on a soapbox.  those meldings of the pretty and the
>melancholy are the most becoming sounds the pair manufactures, but even when
>they are not trying to be pleasant they manage to warrant listening.
>
>- thomas kintner
>

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i read  somewhere on this list that on the new ig website  there's a
contact amy email?
does anyone know how i can access that page?

i've been lookig all over the site and can't find it.


peace

barb

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ha!  ha! ha!  lol............................

i love that  setlist!!  gadz  that  would be  baaaad!  lol

lori ann writes << the girls find out  they're not y2k compliant and
play the following setlist for the month.

if you live like that
lifeblood
holy city
never stop
land of canaan
american tune
fire & rain
nashville
crazy game
romeo & juliet
play it again  sam
love of the commonpeople
make this house a home
up in smoke
everybody's waiting
don't give up on me baby
get togeher   >>


peace

barb

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-----original message-----
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ha!  ha! ha!  lol............................

i love that  setlist!!  gadz  that  would be  baaaad!  lol

bad?!@\? um,

*where would this show be* i'd love to hear all of these songs live - and
the order kinda makes sense...

i would fly to atlanta, scalp tixs, sit in the back of eddie's to hear this
setlist, completely obstructed, for a chance at this setlist...


but i am wierd

mike r.

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the name of the book is 'do they hear you when you cry', and it's by fauziya
kassindja.


andrea

>
>her name is fauzia kasinga (sorry, the spelling is wrong
>and i can't remember the title of the book.)
>
>i saw it in trade paperback a couple of months ago.
>
>she's a remarkable young woman to have escaped her
>country, this practice and the bigotry and ignorance of
>the american justice system.
>
>kc
> > if you get a reply for this, please also drop me an email.,  i would
>love to
> > get involved in working on this issue in any way.
> >
> > julie
> >
> >
> > on thu, 30 dec 1999 22:36:26 est, emilyraliers@aol.com wrote:
> >
> > >  does anyone know of any group or organization that i and my friends
>could
> > get
> > >  in touch with to try to help do something about the barbaric practice
>of
> > >  female circumcision? we are talking about it on another list and it
>is
> > >  horrifying...
> > >  --vesper
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> > julie ;-)
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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ig made number 51.

http://www.planetout.com/pno/

nancy

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the contact address is russell carter's business address...sorry!


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just want to thanks y'all for answering my question. you're the best!!

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date:         tue, 4 jan 2000 01:53:28 +0000
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subject:      re: nigc--female circumcision

thanks andrea.

another recommendation: alice walker's possessing the
secret of joy. i do not recommend the book unreservedly,
since it is perhaps one of the most disturbing pieces of
literature i've ever read. walker also participated in a
project related to female genital mutilation (fgm) called
"warrior marks", which is also a book.

it is a terribly difficult subject to discuss. it is
apparently so difficult that in my 3 years of
undergraduate study of cultural anthropology in the early
'80's, it never occurred to a single professor to address
exactly what "female circumsicion" really involved on any
level at all.

i'm glad to see the full meaning and scope of this
practice is being addressed, at least in some circles. i
do not believe the industrialized west can do much about
it beyond apply certain kinds of pressure to countries
that practice fgm, and offer refuge to the very few women
and girls who make their way to this country
fleeing torture.

kc
> the name of the book is 'do they hear you when you cry', and it's by fauziya
> kassindja.
>
>
> andrea
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go figure......

just for fun, try to identify this outfit of over
500 employees with the following statistics:

*29 have been accused of spousal abuse
*7 have been arrested for fraud
*19 have been accused of writing bad checks
*117 have bankrupted at least two businesses
*3 have been arrested for assault
*71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit
*14 have been arrested on drug-related charges
*8 have been arrested for shoplifting
*21 are current defendants in lawsuits
*in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving

give up?


scroll down and see. and no its not the dallas cowboys!


yes - it's the 535 members of your united states
congress. the same group that perpetually cranks out hundreds upon
hundreds of new laws designed to keep the rest of us in line.


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on tue, 4 jan 2000, kristen curry wrote:
>
> i'm glad to see the full meaning and scope of this
> practice is being addressed, at least in some circles. i
> do not believe the industrialized west can do much about
> it beyond apply certain kinds of pressure to countries
> that practice fgm, and offer refuge to the very few women
> and girls who make their way to this country
> fleeing torture.

kristen's email reminded me of a sixty minutes episode that i saw some 10 or
so years ago about a male gynocologist in the us who circumcised many of his
female patients to supposedly "cure" their ailments.  most of these women are
no longer able to have sex without a great deal of pain.  none of the women
were successful in their lawsuits against this guy who was eventually stripped
of his medical license in his home state, but then obtained a new license in
another state.

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hello y'all...

just wanted to let any interested parties know that the discussion has begun
on the indigo-guitarists list....free speech and a free exchange of ideas
from: "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8d)" <listserv@netspace.org>
subject:      file: "indigo-girls log0001a"
to: underdog@earthlink.net
date: sun, 9 jan 2000 19:06:43 -0500

encouraged.  all that's necessary is an interest in indigo-related music and
an interest in guitar playing, singing, songwriting, etc.  wishful thinkers
and dreamers welcome....we all have to start somewhere....

if you haven't already signed on and would like to subscribe, send a blank
message to: indigo-guitarists-subscribe@egroups.com

peace,
tim

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lori wrote:
<< lori (who will snap and burn the next cd she gets that
has a hidden track on it)
  >>

lol..i kinda like hidden tracks but why are they hidden? are they just an
afterthought after all the artwork and cd booklets have been done? some
hidden tracks are so weird...most come on after like 30 seconds or a minute
or something...the one on the x-files movie soundtrack comes on like 4
minutes later or something weird like that... of course, that's the x-files
so it would have to..

i meant to mention this a while ago and i keep forgetting... when i went to
the shows in berkeley i signed up on some of the stuff they have at the
resources table and one of them must have been wand - which i can't for the
life of me remember what it stands for..it's probably on their site but i
haven't checked the site in a while since it was giving me all sorts of
trouble last time i accessed it.. anyway (i really do have a point) about a
month or so after the show i received a nice little packet from wand (i think
it's like women against nuclear development maybe?) and a handwritten note
thanking me for my interest and a cool little sticker that says "indigo girls
support wand" - i thought it was pretty cool :) now if i can just figure out
what i did with the little pamphlet and sticker...

:) lisa

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date:         tue, 4 jan 2000 01:41:09 est
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barb wrote:
<< i love that  setlist!!  gadz  that  would be  baaaad!  lol

lori ann writes << the girls find out  they're not y2k compliant and
play the following setlist for the month.
  >>

lol..i was thinking the same thing :) although i would kill to hear land of
canaan (i don't think i've ever seen them play it in my 13 shows) and to hear
play it again sam.
:) lisa

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date:         tue, 4 jan 2000 00:49:29 -0600
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here is an article in my hometown newspaper titled: "indigo girls optimistic
about future after enduring a year of sadness"
http://www.pioneerplanet.com/cgi-bin/justgolink.pl?nav=music&src=entnews%2fm
us_docs%2f017511.htm

carla

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date:         mon, 3 jan 2000 23:14:01 pst
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as always, reproduced w/o permission:

published: sunday, january 2, 2000
pop music

indigo girls optimistic about future after enduring a year of sadness


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steve dollar cox news service
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when emily saliers and amy ray -- the atlanta folk-pop duo known as the
indigo girls -- played their last shows of 1999 last month in atlanta, it
was an occasion for reflection and celebration.
it has been the best of times and the worst for them. they've weathered the
sudden deaths of close friends and family but also made a breakthrough
concert trip to cuba, toured with the final installment of lilith fair and,
in ''come on now social'' (epic), released one of the strongest albums in
their 19-year career.
''in terms of loss this year was the worst year ever,'' says saliers, whose
29-year-old sister, carrie, was found dead in her los angeles apartment in
march. the los angeles county coroner's office ruled that she died from
natural causes.
the new album is dedicated to carrie, and to others close to the musicians,
including the atlanta songwriter/performer known as benjamin, and activists
ingrid washinawatock el-issa and marcia gomez, members of the indigenous
women's network, with which the indigos are involved.
''the message of (my sister's) spirit was something i absorbed and live by.
there was so much tragedy, but so much growth and inspiration,'' says
saliers, 36.
''our culture fights death tooth and nail,'' she continues. ''these were
reminders of being a natural part of the whole intricate web, and that's
been a good lesson for me, as many tears as i've shed. i am eternally
optimistic.''
ray, 35, concurs. ''it was a hard year for us,'' she says, noting how the
death of a friend's grandmother inspired ''go,'' the fired-up opening track
on ''social,'' and the duo's plans to contribute a song to a tribute cd
dedicated to benjamin, who died in january at age 39.
if anything, the performers have responded to sad events by investing their
music with a sense of urgency. if it once was easy to typecast the indigos
as diary-dipping coffeehouse harmonizers, it is no more. ''social'' shows a
band that is musically complicated -- banjos coexist with theremins and beat
boxes -- and thrilled to be rocking out. ''i really, really love playing
electric guitar,'' saliers says.
vocalist kelly hogan, who lives in chicago and joined the group onstage
there recently, offers further testimony. ''they're so nice you don't think
they could survive in the wilds, but they're rocking now. shocking and
rocking.''
saliers and ray, whose nonmusical interests include social activism, running
an independent record label (ray's daemon) and launching a restaurant
(saliers' watershed, in decatur, ga.), thrive on surprises. though they've
been affiliated with lilith fair, they also took their own show on the road:
the 1998 ''suffragette sessions,'' which featured varied female artists.
''i like them because they support cross-pollination and worlds colliding at
all times,'' hogan says.
next up for the indigos? some time off. and then? more surprises.
''we make jokes about it,'' says saliers, who mentions that ray -- the
indigo's resident punk-rock fan -- is working on a solo album. ''she wants
to make a total acoustic album, and i want to go in and rock some more. we
could make a double album. it wouldn't sell, and our career might end! we
always start at opposite ends of the spectrum, and then it all comes
together.''

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©1999 pioneerplanet / st. paul (minnesota) pioneer press - all rights
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i believe the original reason for hidden tracks is much like what companies
are doing now with dvds .... a lot of dvds have extra footage and more
information because the companies want more peple to start renting and
buying dvds and they want to seped up the transition from vhs to dvd (wont
happen for 5-10 years) but when tapes (analog) were the main market, cds
offered better sound quality and a few offered hidden tracks which if you
have noticed tapes of the same album dont usually contain..... so after a
while it became an extra suprise at the end of a cd that artists
occasionally throw in there .... at least i think thats how.....
well enough from the gay-video store clerk
-jess


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date: tue, 4 jan 2000 01:33:10 -0500

lori wrote:
<< lori (who will snap and burn the next cd she gets that
  has a hidden track on it)
   >>

lol..i kinda like hidden tracks but why are they hidden? are they just an
afterthought after all the artwork and cd booklets have been done? some
hidden tracks are so weird...most come on after like 30 seconds or a minute
or something...the one on the x-files movie soundtrack comes on like 4
minutes later or something weird like that... of course, that's the x-files
so it would have to..

i meant to mention this a while ago and i keep forgetting... when i went to
the shows in berkeley i signed up on some of the stuff they have at the
resources table and one of them must have been wand - which i can't for the
life of me remember what it stands for..it's probably on their site but i
haven't checked the site in a while since it was giving me all sorts of
trouble last time i accessed it.. anyway (i really do have a point) about a
month or so after the show i received a nice little packet from wand (i
think
it's like women against nuclear development maybe?) and a handwritten note
thanking me for my interest and a cool little sticker that says "indigo
girls
support wand" - i thought it was pretty cool :) now if i can just figure out
what i did with the little pamphlet and sticker...

:) lisa

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  i am wanting to try to find boots for all 6 shows that i have been
too...here are the shows...
1) chastain park, atlanta, ga
     may 25, 1997
2) zembo mosque, harrisburg, pa
     setember 16, 1997
3) kline center, carlisle, pa
     april 26, 1998
4) tussey mtn ampitheatre, boalsburg, pa
     july 10, 1998
5) waterloo village, stanhope, nj
     august 6, 1999
6) tower theatre, philadelphia, pa
      october 4, 1999
thanks a million everyone...i just thought this would be a neat
collection...kind of like a trip down memory lane...
peace and love,
         carrie

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>anyway (i really do have a point) about a
>month or so after the show i received a nice little packet from wand (i
>think
>it's like women against nuclear development maybe?)

i believe it's women's actions for new directions - see the last pages of
the cons lyric sheets for a brief description of the organization's mission.

and hey, i signed up for info at an ig concert and i did get their
newsletter (twice) but no hand-written note or ig sticker.  oh, well.  i
love what they are doing.


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but what about ending the barbaric mutilatitive practice of male circumcision?
seems like that's a fight you could fight on your front porch, rather than
having to look around the globe for issues...

-graham

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graham ames wrote:

> but what about ending the barbaric mutilatitive practice of male circumcision?
> seems like that's a fight you could fight on your front porch, rather than
> having to look around the globe for issues...

i agree that male circumcision is also barabaric and painful, and unecessary - but
i think (my opinion) that maybe because it is performed in a hospital setting
(many of them, not all) and under sterile circumstances it is not perceived as a
horrific practice to a lot of people.  i don't want  to open up a can of worms
here about religious practices and customs and traditions, blah, blah, blah, but i
think both male and female circumcisions are painful, cruel, and medically
unecessary.

elaine

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on tue, 4 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:

> but what about ending the barbaric mutilatitive practice of male circumcision?
> seems like that's a fight you could fight on your front porch, rather than
> having to look around the globe for issues...
>
> -graham

ok, i'm probably just opening a huge can of worms, but here goes.

i understand your point.  really.  and elaine answered just as i would
have...male circumcision happens, generally speaking, in a medical
setting.

but the way your post is phrased smacks of "why go looking for women/girls
around the globe to help when there are boys/men here who dont need to
be circumcised either?".  it just really hits me as being a proto-typically
male response.  dont know if that's how you meant it to come out.  violence
against women is an important issue around the globe and domestically.
frankly, i dont have a lot of sympathy for men in this since they
are the dominating force on the planet.  if you dont like male circumcision
and want to start a force against it, be my guest.  go fight that battle.
as a woman, i am more inclined to be involved in fighting for girls
who are cut without anaesthesia (sp?), with not always clean instruments,
in such a way that they are forever condemned to painful sex and childbirth.
while there are two medical camps on whether or not male circumcision
is necessary for health reasons, neither camp has any argument that it
affects sexual function.  for women, female circumcision is painful,
sometimes deadly, and impairs their bodies' normal function forever.
*that* makes me more sympathetic to women who have been circumcised than
men.

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>>but what about ending the barbaric mutilatitive practice of male
circumcision?
    seems like that's a fight you could fight on your front porch, rather than
    having to look around the globe for issues...

as far as i know, male circumcision is a health (as well as a religious, in
some cases) issue.  i am sure there are boys/men out there who were not
circumsized, and have no problems, but it is supposed to decrease (greatly)
chance of infection in that area of the body.  plus, it is usually performed
at birth, or shortly thereafter...and while i am sure it is a painful
procedure, because it is done so early, the pain and the procedure are not
remembered.  "female circumcision" is not a health issue.  it is one of power
and male dominance...so that a woman may not endulge in sex before she is
married, and so that she may not experience pleasure from the act
itself...ever.  girls are mutilated, usually around the age of 5...sometimes
older, and experience great pain throughout their entire lives due to the
procedure...we need as many people as possible working against this, even if
it requires stepping off the front porch...

peace...
heather

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"amy j. putnam" wrote:

> but the way your post is phrased smacks of "why go looking for women/girls
> around the globe to help when there are boys/men here who dont need to
> be circumcised either?".  it just really hits me as being a proto-typically
> male response.

well, part of the reason i posted was to draw out this kind of reaction, actually.
yeah, perhaps it is a prototypically male response, but how many members of this
mailing list who have male children had them circumcised?  just because something
is culturally acceptable, even in our "advanced" western culture, doesn't mean it's
right.

> dont know if that's how you meant it to come out.  violence
> against women is an important issue around the globe and domestically.
> frankly, i dont have a lot of sympathy for men in this since they
> are the dominating force on the planet.  if you dont like male circumcision
> and want to start a force against it, be my guest.  go fight that battle.

and i am involved in this, actually.  although why one gender's status as a
"dominating force" should influence how one feels about routine, non-consentual
mutilation of that gender is beyond me.

> as a woman, i am more inclined to be involved in fighting for girls
> who are cut without anaesthesia (sp?), with not always clean instruments,
> in such a way that they are forever condemned to painful sex and childbirth.

very few foreskins are removed with anesthesia, and there even seems to be a
mindset among a lot of the medical community that the pain of having this surgery
is something which will strengthen the victim.  frankly, knowing what little i do
about developmental psychology, i can't possibly imagine that having part of your
body cut off in early life can do anything but scar someone, regardless of the
gender.

> while there are two medical camps on whether or not male circumcision
> is necessary for health reasons, neither camp has any argument that it
> affects sexual function.  for women, female circumcision is painful,
> sometimes deadly, and impairs their bodies' normal function forever.
> *that* makes me more sympathetic to women who have been circumcised than
> men.

actually, it does affect sexual function, perhaps not as dramatically as female
circumcision does, but the impact is still there.

i'm not trying to raise any flags of "pay attention to the men, ignore the women."
rather, i was trying to point out that there is a gross inequity in how
women-focussed groups view the planet, and often this means that they focus their
attention away from home and issues here.  seems to me like fighting against
mutiliation should run across gender lines and be more of a human rights issue than
a feminist one.

-graham

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heather pownall wrote:

> as far as i know, male circumcision is a health (as well as a religious, in
> some cases) issue.  i am sure there are boys/men out there who were not
> circumsized, and have no problems, but it is supposed to decrease (greatly)
> chance of infection in that area of the body.  plus, it is usually performed
> at birth, or shortly thereafter...and while i am sure it is a painful
> procedure, because it is done so early, the pain and the procedure are not
> remembered.

an excellent example of the kind of cultural justification brainwashing that i
was referring to in my earlier post.  what other part of the human body which we
are born with can you think of that "has to be" routinely removed in order to
prevent infection?  none.  why?  because this claim simply is not true.
especially in today's climate of soap and water and daily bathing, there simply
is no basis in fact that the foreskin breeds infection.  and, well, the bit about
the pain and such only goes to reinforce what i said in my previous post about
the ignorance of our "advanced" western culture about this procedure.

even the jewish tradition of the briss has been altered to be just a small
symbolic bloodletting cut, rather than a full-fledged removal of the foreskin.

face it, there's no more evidence for allowing this barbarism to continue than
there is for letting female circumcision continue.

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>>but what about ending the barbaric mutilatitive practice of male
circumcision?
    seems like that's a fight you could fight on your front porch, rather
than
    having to look around the globe for issues...

>plus, it is usually performed at birth, or shortly thereafter...and while i
am sure it is a >painful procedure, because it is done so early, the pain
and the procedure are not
>remembered.

indeed, post modern psychology has looked at the birthing experience.  the
most fundamental portion of psychological development happens (probably even
prior to birth) by the age seven.  when we are capable of conscienceness,
the recorder starts and behavior reacts off of this recorder.  pain in any
form (especially at an early age when we are not fully capable of
understanding or have a point of reference nor the experience to deal with
pain) does, indeed, leave a mark.

parker

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from: daemon records announce <deamon-owner@listbot.com>
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date: 3 jan 2000 20:28:20 -0000
subject: listen...daemon radio is here.

daemon records announce - http://www.daemonrecords.com

happy new year everyone,

to celebrate the new millennium we’ve just launched daemon radio.    this
will be a regular feature on our site with a new show about every month.
each show will have about an hour of tunes and talk with a very special
guest dj to help get you through your day.   it won’t be just daemon
tracks either.  if the host has a special indie cd they’re digging on and
would like to share it with you, we’ll provide the info on how and where
you can get it.

go to: http://daemonrecords.interspeed.net/radio/   listen to our first
radio show with special guest host, amy ray, playing 45 minutes of her
favorite daemon tracks.


we’ve posted a new cool site of the month and stacey has something to tell
you in stacey’s lair.


lot’s more to come this month.  we’ll keep you up to date.

support your local artists and stores.

peace,
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--- heather pownall <pv10@aol.com> wrote:

> as far as i know, male circumcision is a health (as
> well as a religious, in
> some cases) issue.  i am sure there are boys/men out
> there who were not
> circumsized, and have no problems, but it is
> supposed to decrease (greatly)
> chance of infection in that area of the body.

this is correct.  it is also a jewish rite.

> plus,it is usually performed
> at birth, or shortly thereafter...and while i am
> sure it is a painful
> procedure, because it is done so early, the pain and
> the procedure are not
> remembered.

that's exactly what the medical experts say.  i knew a
boy in high school who had not been cicumcized and had
a major infection, along with the inability to
urinate. he ended up having to have the procedure done
at about age 16...it was not a fun time for him.  as
they say, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of
cure."

i think comparing male and female circumcision is like
comparing apples to oranges.  female circumcision is
done more as a deterrant or social punishment than for
health reasons.

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listen to this if you have a chance.
amy's voice.  mmmmmmmm.

does amy's voice give anyone else out there chills?

-mel-

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thanks amy.  couldn't have said it any better.


on tue, 4 jan 2000, amy j. putnam wrote:

> on tue, 4 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:
>
> > but what about ending the barbaric mutilatitive practice of male circumcision?
> > seems like that's a fight you could fight on your front porch, rather than
> > having to look around the globe for issues...
> >
> > -graham
>
> ok, i'm probably just opening a huge can of worms, but here goes.
>
> i understand your point.  really.  and elaine answered just as i would
> have...male circumcision happens, generally speaking, in a medical
> setting.
>
> but the way your post is phrased smacks of "why go looking for women/girls
> around the globe to help when there are boys/men here who dont need to
> be circumcised either?".  it just really hits me as being a proto-typically
> male response.  dont know if that's how you meant it to come out.  violence
> against women is an important issue around the globe and domestically.
> frankly, i dont have a lot of sympathy for men in this since they
> are the dominating force on the planet.  if you dont like male circumcision
> and want to start a force against it, be my guest.  go fight that battle.
> as a woman, i am more inclined to be involved in fighting for girls
> who are cut without anaesthesia (sp?), with not always clean instruments,
> in such a way that they are forever condemned to painful sex and childbirth.
> while there are two medical camps on whether or not male circumcision
> is necessary for health reasons, neither camp has any argument that it
> affects sexual function.  for women, female circumcision is painful,
> sometimes deadly, and impairs their bodies' normal function forever.
> *that* makes me more sympathetic to women who have been circumcised than
> men.
>
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i am sooooo glad there is someone else besides elvis that i can remember on
the 8th!  lol :)

jude :)

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on tue, 4 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:

>
> well, part of the reason i posted was to draw out this kind of reaction, actually.
> yeah, perhaps it is a prototypically male response, but how many members of this
> mailing list who have male children had them circumcised?  just because something
> is culturally acceptable, even in our "advanced" western culture, doesn't mean it's
> right.

not saying it is..never said that in my post.

>
> and i am involved in this, actually.  although why one gender's status as a
> "dominating force" should influence how one feels about routine, non-consentual
> mutilation of that gender is beyond me.

your post presented itself as a value-oriented response.  it read to me as
"never mind how much pain other girls/women around the world are
experiencing, it's the boys at home that should matter first!".  what it
comes down to is that we all need to pick our battles.  it's a fair
bet that a large precentage of people, gender irrelevant, who could care
less about this matter no matter whom it is affecting.  what i objected to
was how your post sounded as though we should re-prioritize to put
boys on our front porch first.

>
> actually, it does affect sexual function, perhaps not as dramatically as female
> circumcision does, but the impact is still there.

frankly, it's hardly comparable.  as another listee posted (i forget who,
my apologies), female circumcision is done as a matter of patriarchal
control.  not a matter of health or religion, per se.  it's all about the
men making sure that the women are more malleable sexually, that they (the
women) wont be as tempted to go out and be sexual with men before marriage.
it's about patriarchal control.

>
> i'm not trying to raise any flags of "pay attention to the men, ignore the women."
> rather, i was trying to point out that there is a gross inequity in how
> women-focussed groups view the planet, and often this means that they focus their
> attention away from home and issues here.  seems to me like fighting against
> mutiliation should run across gender lines and be more of a human rights issue than
> a feminist one.
>

feminism is about human rights, though through more narrow scope.  and
since there dont seem to be many men jumping on the badnwagon to end
circumcision globally, especially as applied to girls/women, it does
have a more feminist face.  if you want to make it a human rights issue,
then dont try to redirect the focus to men.  expand your focus, too.
your assessment of how women-focused groups view the planet is grossly
unfair to the many (feminist or otherwise) womens *and* men are indeed
focused on human rights issues here as well..in many issues.  but just
because we have problems "at home" to solve, does not mean we need to
ignore the world at large in the process.  different groups focus in
different ways, and that diversity is necessary.

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>from: graham ames <mcgee@oregontrail.net>
>reply-to: graham ames <mcgee@oregontrail.net>
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>subject: re: nigc--female circumcision
>date: tue, 4 jan 2000 11:41:12 -0500
>
>"amy j. putnam" wrote:
>
> > but the way your post is phrased smacks of "why go looking for
>women/girls
> > around the globe to help when there are boys/men here who dont need to
> > be circumcised either?".  it just really hits me as being a
>proto-typically
> > male response.
>
>well, part of the reason i posted was to draw out this kind of reaction,
>actually.
>yeah, perhaps it is a prototypically male response, but how many members of
>this
>mailing list who have male children had them circumcised?  just because
>something
>is culturally acceptable, even in our "advanced" western culture, doesn't
>mean it's
>right.
>
****agreed!...however, i personally think you're comparing apples to oranges
here due to the
disporportionate severity of female circumcision versus male circumcision.
neither is ethically
correct if you consider that both are committed against the individual
without their knowledge or permission.
however, your comparision of the two as being somehow 'related' emotionally,
physically and mentally is completely
patriarchal in it's tone.  male circ.  may be somewhat damaging to the
indiviual but i doubt that you can find any example
in which that person experienced a lifetime of infections and drainage,
painful intercourse due to repeated cutting and
tearing of scar tissue (also during childbirth as the womyn must have her
'opening' cut  to accomadate the baby,
then sewn up in order to insure male pleasure during intercourse)...etc.,
etc...all without the pleasure that is a god-given
right of every individual.  the reduction in sexual pleasure that males are
'gipped' out of at birth is negligle compared
to the equivilent of  having their entire penis amputated at the age of 5.
but it wouldn't stop there.  you see, i have no
way of further comparing having your labia sewn together to form an
unnaturally tiny 'opening with which to urinate and
mentruate through (assuming your outer labia aren't simply 'hacked' off to
make you more 'astheically' pleasing).
what would be the male equivilent?  then, when intercourse occurs, your
husband gets to either rip his way into you
or he uses his specially grown fingernail(you think i'm kidding don't you?),
pinky usually, to cut a wider opening in order
to accomadate his size.  what is the male equivilent?  childbirth is
essentially the same thing, cutting her wide open,
sewing her up to an unnatural size to maintain male pleasure and repeating
this every year or so for 15 years during her
child-bearing years.  what is the male equivilent?
...and you wonder why amy is so adamant about supporting womyn-based
causes?!...


> > dont know if that's how you meant it to come out.  violence
> > against women is an important issue around the globe and domestically.
> > frankly, i dont have a lot of sympathy for men in this since they
> > are the dominating force on the planet.  if you dont like male
>circumcision
> > and want to start a force against it, be my guest.  go fight that
>battle.
>
>and i am involved in this, actually.  although why one gender's status as a
>"dominating force" should influence how one feels about routine,
>non-consentual
>mutilation of that gender is beyond me.

****precisely!...yet why is there a huge gap in crimes perpetuated against
womyn that remain untouched?!
..and then you have the gall to suggest that womyn are fighting too much for
their own sisters and leaving out
the poor men?!...just because you might be enlightened and engage yourself
in all sorts of causes and actions
doesn't mean the rest of the world follows suit.  there is no gender
equality in this world, man...just as there
is no racial equality...open your eyes...don't believe the hype!

>
> > as a woman, i am more inclined to be involved in fighting for girls
> > who are cut without anaesthesia (sp?), with not always clean
>instruments,
> > in such a way that they are forever condemned to painful sex and
>childbirth.
>
>very few foreskins are removed with anesthesia, and there even seems to be
>a
>mindset among a lot of the medical community that the pain of having this
>surgery
>is something which will strengthen the victim.  frankly, knowing what
>little i do
>about developmental psychology, i can't possibly imagine that having part
>of your
>body cut off in early life can do anything but scar someone, regardless of
>the
>gender.

***i agree with you there as i am a firm believer in pre-birth, newborn, and
infant damage due to factors
that most of us take for granted and think nothing of...and as a former
registered nurse who
used to work in l&d/nursery i have witnessed many male circumcisions done
without the aid of
anesthesi.  interestingly enough, most of those were done by older
physicians and the general concensus
seemed to be that the infants would not remember any of the trauma a few
days from then (and the intense crying
was from being cold, not due to pain!).  the younger physicians used
lidocaine injections prior to the procedure
which seemed to help especially if you kept the infant partially covered
(from getting cold) and calm.

>
> > while there are two medical camps on whether or not male circumcision
> > is necessary for health reasons, neither camp has any argument that it
> > affects sexual function.  for women, female circumcision is painful,
> > sometimes deadly, and impairs their bodies' normal function forever.
> > *that* makes me more sympathetic to women who have been circumcised than
> > men.
>
>actually, it does affect sexual function, perhaps not as dramatically as
>female
>circumcision does, but the impact is still there.

****sorry, man...but when comparing the two you're coming across as
"boohoo!...we've lost some of our
sexual pleasure and you should feel bad for us!...fight the power!"...yeah,
right...no males die from circumcision
and to try and equate the two is downright nauseating.  when they start
cutting penis's (sp?) off, then you have the
right to start asking for comparable sympathy...this should never have been
suggested in this subject line, imo, and
frankly i'm very surprised at you trying to divert important awareness for a
horrible crime by trying to wave your little
'don't forget we men are persecuted, too' flag...

>
>i'm not trying to raise any flags of "pay attention to the men, ignore the
>women."
>rather, i was trying to point out that there is a gross inequity in how
>women-focussed groups view the planet, and often this means that they focus
>their
>attention away from home and issues here.  seems to me like fighting
>against
>mutiliation should run across gender lines and be more of a human rights
>issue than
>a feminist one.
>
>-graham
>
****who said it was a strictly femminist issue?..i think the point is not
whether or not females seem to fight for
womyn issues more so than men...the point is that you have inappropriately
tried to steer focus attention away
from a terrible crime by trying to somehow equate it to a minor male issue.
perhaps male circumcision isn't a
minor issue to you or to many other folks in this country but don't ask me
to jump on the bandwagon when other
people are actually dying...that's like asking me to sneak you a second
helping of mashed potatoes when children
in africa are starving to death...
if females don't fight against these crimes because  males  complain about
how we never help them, who's going to
to accomplish anything except to make this world a better place for men?
gender equality means just that...and so far
i have yet to see evidence that men are suffering from a lack of
intervention by womyn/feminists but i do see a huge
need for intervention on behalf of womyn by both genders.

sincerely,

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an amendment to my last post..

on tue, 4 jan 2000, amy j. putnam wrote:

> feminism is about human rights, though through more narrow scope.  and

this was not the best choice of words...ultimately, in my mind,
feminism is all about human rights as it is about helping those who
have been oppressed.  while the focus seems to be only on women,
ultimately, i believe that feminism helps everyone by endeavoring
to make the world a better place overall.


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>from: joan morrison <morrison_joan@yahoo.com>
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>reply-to: joan morrison <morrison_joan@yahoo.com>
>to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
>subject: re: nigc--female circumcision
>date: tue, 4 jan 2000 12:28:12 -0500
>
>--- heather pownall <pv10@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > as far as i know, male circumcision is a health (as
> > well as a religious, in
> > some cases) issue.  i am sure there are boys/men out
> > there who were not
> > circumsized, and have no problems, but it is
> > supposed to decrease (greatly)
> > chance of infection in that area of the body.
>
>this is correct.  it is also a jewish rite.
>
> > plus,it is usually performed
> > at birth, or shortly thereafter...and while i am
> > sure it is a painful
> > procedure, because it is done so early, the pain and
> > the procedure are not
> > remembered.
>
>that's exactly what the medical experts say.  i knew a
>boy in high school who had not been cicumcized and had
>a major infection, along with the inability to
>urinate. he ended up having to have the procedure done
>at about age 16...it was not a fun time for him.  as
>they say, "an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of
>cure."

****the same thing happened to my dad although he was 55 when it had to be
done...in addition, i've known
several other males that had the same thing and none of them were
particularly happy about it and all
whiched they had simply had the procedure done when they were infants...

>
>i think comparing male and female circumcision is like
>comparing apples to oranges.  female circumcision is
>done more as a deterrant or social punishment than for
>health reasons.

***i agree!...and saying such does not reduce the importance of grahams
issue it simply puts it into perspective
when comparing it to a horrible, life-threatening experience that female
circumcision is...

>
>peace!
>
>=====
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>

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on tue, 4 jan 2000, indigo mel wrote:


<<does amy's voice give anyone else out there chills?
>

i hear ya girl, yes amy's voice is very chills giving indeed. heck,
everything about amy is giving me chills:) she's hot!

kate

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lisa wrote:


>lol..i kinda like hidden tracks but why are they hidden? are they just
an

>afterthought after all the artwork and cd booklets have been done?
some

>hidden tracks are so weird...most come on after like 30 seconds or a
minute

>or something...

i asked the same question of them in november. here's what emily said:


<fontfamily><param>times</param><bigger><bigger>b: so why is
"philosophy of loss," where you address those issues, a hidden track on
the album?


e: because we had a good balance of songs, and amy and i are not like,
"you do this number [of songs] and i'll do this many " but it more
comes down to the way the record feels balanced. sometimes even one
song can throw that off. but  because the song was important and
personal to me, we just thought that would be a good way to get it out
there, but not necessarily make it a part of the entity of the album as
you listen to it from start to finish.

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this is such a complex issue...

>violence
>against women is an important issue around the globe and domestically.
>frankly, i dont have a lot of sympathy for men in this since they
>are the dominating force on the planet.

i definitely agree with this but one of the very tricky things here is that
female genital mutilation is often ordered by the women of a society.  women
want their daughters to be "clean."  grandmothers want their granddaughters
to be respectable young women.  i know, i know - the reasons the women want
the practice to remain is because they were raised to believe that it is
clean, proper, necessary, and "a part of life" as a female - a part that is
essential to the traditional/expected/"correct" way of life for their
culture/society.  in many societies it is very likely that it was the men
who put those thoughts in their minds in the first place/threatened the
women with their dominance so that the women could see no other way, but in
many instances (or maybe even most), you will find a woman with the rusty
razor blade in her hand, not a man.

much of the same could be said for male circumcision in our society today.
why do we do it?  well, that's what is done!  your father had it done, his
father did, her mother thinks it is good, it is a healthier (i.e. the male
is more "clean"), etc.  it all sounds very familiar.

to abolish fgm (female genital mutilation) means to get inside the minds of
the men and the women.  and having majored in anthropology i've discussed
some of the other facets of this issue, one being, who are we to judge their
practices?  they have gotten along for millions of years this way so why
should we have the right to change their minds.  there are many ways to
compare it things that go on in our own society.

not that i agree with it at all, in the least...

lisa
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date:         tue, 4 jan 2000 14:05:00 est
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amy p. summed up my opinions best.. but if anyone wants to read about it and
it's horrifying effects - read possessing the secret of joy by alice walker.
it's unbelievably good.

:) lisa

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in a message dated 1/4/2000 9:30:41 am pacific standard time,
morrison_joan@yahoo.com writes:

> i think comparing male and female circumcision is like
>  comparing apples to oranges.  female circumcision is
>  done more as a deterrant or social punishment than for
>  health reasons.

absolutely.  the big difference between male and female circumcisions is the
after effect.  this is done to women to desexualize them...to make it
purposely painful and /or impossible to engage in, let alone enjoy, sexual
relations.  in many cases, having sex after this procedure is nothing short
of torture.  i agree that male cirumcisions may be unecessary, but come on
you men out there...you have to admit that it doesn't affect your sexuality
and is not the same sort of multilation that the women who undergo the
procedure do.

mis

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   in case nobody was looking -- susan tedeschi was nominated for a best
new artist grammy.  (that's one of the big ones, not the ones they give to
unimportant people like "folk" or "blues" artists.)  her
competition: christina aguliera, britney spears, and kid rock.

   how weird.

   not that we should care about silly music awards, although the shows
are fun to watch and such.  but s.t. definitely deserves the fame and the
acclaim - if you like fiery guitar playin' and hootin' and hollerin', and
haven't bought "just won't burn," shame.  ;)

   also, i finally got "homegrown."  gawd, i love michelle...

   darius

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in a message dated 1/4/00 3:33:10 pm atlantic standard time,
listserv@netspace.org writes:

just heard daemon radio. hooo mama, what amy's voice does to me!:) i only got
to hear a few songs. i really dug danielle howle and that rap group (forgot
the name). i think i'll definately check them out.

xo
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i would like to add my two sence about it. i know a little about this, did a
report on it in college. i think some one should post the addy of a site so
that people can inform themselves and then react.  please bear in mind i
agree with all of it, circumcision is awful for both genders,  and we all
hold what is dear to our hearts because we can all connect with whatever sex
we are.
all indigo today.

sara the sunflower

> >>but what about ending the barbaric mutilatitive practice of male
>circumcision?
>     seems like that's a fight you could fight on your front porch, rather
>than
>     having to look around the globe for issues...
>
>as far as i know, male circumcision is a health (as well as a religious, in
>some cases) issue.  i am sure there are boys/men out there who were not
>circumsized, and have no problems, but it is supposed to decrease (greatly)
>chance of infection in that area of the body.  plus, it is usually
>performed
>at birth, or shortly thereafter...and while i am sure it is a painful
>procedure, because it is done so early, the pain and the procedure are not
>remembered.  "female circumcision" is not a health issue.  it is one of
>power
>and male dominance...so that a woman may not endulge in sex before she is
>married, and so that she may not experience pleasure from the act
>itself...ever.  girls are mutilated, usually around the age of
>5...sometimes
>older, and experience great pain throughout their entire lives due to the
>procedure...we need as many people as possible working against this, even
>if
>it requires stepping off the front porch...
>
>peace...
>heather
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graham ames wrote:

>
> well, part of the reason i posted was to draw out this kind of reaction, actually.
> yeah, perhaps it is a prototypically male response, but how many members of this
> mailing list who have male children had them circumcised?  just because something
> is culturally acceptable, even in our "advanced" western culture, doesn't mean it's
> right.
actually, i... a fairly long time member of this list *did* have my
oldest son circumcised... not because i wanted him to "look like his
father" or anything like that (my youngest son is not circumcised). male
circumcision in the past (at least in this country)was usually always
done as a hygenic precaution (or religious)... but now not so many are
done as it has become more known that just teaching a boy proper hygene
cuts (pardon the pun) down on any trouble he might run into (well duh).
anyhoo... my oldest son's circumcision was medically neccesary, because
his foreskin (which should seperate at sometime after the baby is six
months old) was simply not doing so by the time he was five (the age
when it should be fully retractable). this caused all sorts of medical
probs for him. it was not a cultural choice + trust me, it will not
interfere with his sexual pleasure. female circumcision, however has
nothing to do with health. it has everything to do with robbing a woman
of sexual pleasure, since basically her entire clitoris is removed... it
causes scarring and sometimes a complete fusion of the vaginal opening
so that her regular menstrual cycle + often just the act of urinating
can become a physical impossibility/life threatening. a few months back
i read a totally devastating yet uplifting condensed version in reader's
digest, of all places, about a young woman who is a famous model now...
forgive me but i forget her name. this woman was from a small village in
africa where the practice of female circumcision is still very much
alive. the story of her terrible ordeal as a child at the hand of the
older woman who performed her circumcision, and the horrible medical
problems she encountered afterwards was hard to read, but educational.
anyhoo... just adding my two dinar's
peace... kim

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> on tue, 4 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:
>
> >
> > well, part of the reason i posted was to draw out
this kind of reaction, actually.

i found the above sentence profoundly insulting. as
though members of this list, specifically women on this
list, were not capable of addressing issues of bodily
integrity without the interjection of a very specific and
narrow male point of view on the matter.

had the discussion continued it's quite likely male
circumcision, as practiced among western nations, would
have surfaced along with some of the accompanying myths.
the fact remains male circumcision, although painful, has
more in common with ear piercing in infancy than female
genital mutilation.

ear piercing can also lead to infection and can be
painful. children may occassionally die as a result of
undiagnosed hemophilia or infection. they may suffer
other damage as well, or permanent disfigurement. not
necessarily common, but certainly terrible when it occurs
for a proceedure as utterly unnecessary as ear piercing.

although all of the above is true, in my view there is
very little commonality between the physical and social
ramifications of female genital mutilation and male
circumcision.

men who have been circumcised do not have to be cut each
time they wish to engage in sexual congress - which
typically they continue to desire. women who have been
cut rarely pursue sex. that is a large part of the point
of the proceedure.

men who have been circumcised do not generally suffer
reoccurrent, life threatening infections, painful
urination, painful intercourse, blood poisoning, or bleed
to death as a result of the proceedure. most - most. the
majority. the overwhelming majority of women who have
undergone fgm suffer all of the above if they survive the
initial cutting.

if i sound annoyed it is because i am. every single
internet discussion of this topic i have engaged in has
ended up as a debate of one vs the other, typically due
to males in the group who are unwilling to address what
they seem to see as not a human rights issue (torture),
but a "women's" issue.

it is not a slight towards males to bring focus to bear
upon a terrible and life threatening form of torture that
continues to impact a staggering number of girls and
women globally.


amy p. said:
> feminism is about human rights, though through more
narrow scope.  and since there dont seem to be many men
jumping on the badnwagon to end circumcision globally,
especially as applied to girls/women, it does
> have a more feminist face.  if you want to make it a
human rights issue, then dont try to redirect the focus
to men.  expand your focus, too.

very well said. thanks.

kc

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(wo)man, some of you people were downright nasty
toward graham. being vicious toward someone who holds
a differing viewpoint is good ol' fred phelps'
speciality.
*yoink*

n o b o d y   w a n t s   t h e i r   g e n i t a l s
m u t i l a t e d*.

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i wrote a long, rambling rant that probably would have offended
the entire list (which is what it was meant to do).

then i decided not to post it. wedgie's right y'know.

i think it was the third best thing that happened to me all day.

1) finding out that two former members of the rather wonderful
and much-missed band eden burning have formed a new group bell
jar.
2) nicola (old and dear friend back in england) now has email
3) i was smart for a change

if you want to be offended, i did save a copy - ask me :o)

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nrigc - no real igs, although there is some...

my bride did something smart - she wrote the guy who was selling
my indigo girls b-sides on ebay and yahoo. she explained very
politely that it was a fan created disc and not meant for sale.

he wrote back and apologised. he bought it in a store and didn't
realize it was a fan disc. and promised not to sell it anywhere
ever. seemed genuine enough to me, but of course you never know.

it just goes to show that sometimes rational debate works better
than instant retalliation.

so it would seem my (our) anger should be directed at the person
who sold the disc to a used cd store. i'm not sure if tara's
code prohibits the disposal of her disc in such a manner, but
it's something to think about.

moral - if you get a boot, and no longer want it, there's
someone on the list who does.
and if you get offered $3 from a used store, i'm sure that's a
fair price to ask of someone (must be about what the blank,
postage and packaging cost you in the first place) and still not
profit.

so thanks to my bride for being the smart one.

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twm is feeling nitpicky, and although he has little
respect for politicians he feels somehow obliged to
defend them. please feel free to delete before
reading.

a source for these would be appreciated though. at the
moment my skeptical eyebrow is raised.

<<*29 have been accused of spousal abuse>>
anyone can be accused of anything by anyone. it could
be argued people in the public eye are more liable to
be falsely accused than others. especially as their
accusors could be rival politicians(!)

<<*7 have been arrested for fraud>
but not convicted, i assume? and therefore innocent in
the eyes of the law.

<<*19 have been accused of writing bad checks>>
anyone can be accused of anything by anyone.

<<*117 have bankrupted at least two businesses>>
their own, by design, or others in passing? i could
probably thing of a smarter-assed comment if i tried.

<<*3 have been arrested for assault>>
but not convicted, i assume?

<<*71 cannot get a credit card due to bad credit>>
twm knows someone who cannot even get a sears card and
has just got a credit card. lots of people have been
turned down by a credit card company at one time or
another. highly suspect.

<<*14 have been arrested on drug-related charges>>
but not convicted. etc.etc...

<<*8 have been arrested for shoplifting>>
still no convictions?

<<*21 are current defendants in lawsuits>>
i can sue anyone for anything.

<<*in 1998 alone, 84 were stopped for drunk driving>>
twm was stopped once for drunk driving (and running a
yellow light!). turned out he was sober as a post.


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anyone have the addy for the chicago area indigo fan list?

thanks,
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hi,
does anyone have a boot of either of the tower shows from philadelphia
this fall?
contact me please,
thanks,
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does anyone know where i can get 'em?

thanks,
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in a message dated 1/4/00 1:27:00 pm eastern standard time,
ravishingruggrbc@hotmail.com writes:

<< ****the same thing happened to my dad although he was 55 when it had to be
done...in addition, i've known
several other males that had the same thing and none of them were
particularly happy about it and all
whiched they had simply had the procedure done when they were infants... >>


interestingly enough, one of the women i work with, her 35 year brother just
was circumcised.  he is a long haul truck driver and didn't have access to
showers every day and got numerous infections.  sad thing is that his
insurance didn't cover the procedure and he had to pay 5k out of pocket to
have it done.  it took him several years to save up the money but he says it
was well worth it.

indi

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remember kindness and consideration in your posts
get your point across without attack
realize that some people may not intend for their typwritten words to come
across so differently than their spoken words
everyone is entitled to their own opinion and entitled to challenge others'
but there is a fine line between debate and fight
the question is can you still shake hands afterwards?


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at 04:07 am 1/4/00 -0500, jessica krebs wrote:

>i believe the original reason for hidden tracks is much like what companies
>are doing now with dvds .... a lot of dvds have extra footage and more
>information because the companies want more peple to start renting and
>buying dvds and they want to seped up the transition from vhs to dvd (wont
>happen for 5-10 years) but when tapes (analog) were the main market, cds
>offered better sound quality and a few offered hidden tracks which if you
>have noticed tapes of the same album dont usually contain..... so after a
>while it became an extra suprise at the end of a cd that artists
>occasionally throw in there .... at least i think thats how.....
>well enough from the gay-video store clerk
>-jess
>


woohooo! gay video store clerks unite!  (or something...sorry, i'm tired)

anyway, you know what really bugs me about hidden tracks?  when i have a cd
on repeat there is all this dead air and i feel i have to get up to speed
it along. which really defeats the purpose of putting it on repeat, eh?

liz <---who should not be reading email since she has to read all this crap
for homework and then wake up tomorrow morning to be at work at 6am then go
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in a message dated 1/4/00 10:37:53 am pacific standard time, ksaar@ut.ee
writes:

> <<does amy's voice give anyone else out there chills?
>  >
>
>  i hear ya girl, yes amy's voice is very chills giving indeed. heck,
>  everything about amy is giving me chills:) she's hot!
goddess dammit, i can't make it work! a microsoft window pops up
saying"cannot open page, wrong path"  whatever that means.  anybody know what
the problem mite be? i have an old ibm aptiva, equivalent to a pentium 1 i
think...i'm using aol 5.0
thanks
pax
vesper

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in a message dated 1/4/00 4:11:02 pm pacific standard time,
armydillo@mindspring.com writes:

> realize that some people may not intend for their typwritten words to come
>  across so differently than their spoken words
thank you for expressing this.  one cannot see facial expressions and the
like in order to get an idea of what is meant.  i have received polite
expressions of the possibility of someone being offended by what i said, and
i appreciate it because i didn't mean it the way it came out, and i would
have worded it differently had i  been more aware of other people's
sensibilities.
pax
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from:         kristen curry <kz123@att.net>
subject:      nigc: fgm - female genital mutilation

some of the more disturbing and difficult issues related
to fgm have yet to be commented on here, so all you
anthro majors out there...

does the west have a place in addressing fgm beyond the
borders of nations that are opposed to it? within their
own borders?

how can the u.s. prevent foreign nationals from sending
their young daughters back to their countries of origin
during summer break for fgm? what about girls who suffer
fgm while living in the u.s.?

in concert with the above... if penalties should be
brought to bear on families that engage in this practice,
what penalties would be appropriate? last year a woman in
georgia was given 5 years in prison for circumcising her
infant granddaughter against her daughter's wishes...

i guess i'm curious about how the folks on this list view
fgm as it relates to u.s. policy and law. it's a terribly
complex issue and until recently the ins did not accept
women's pleas for refugee status stemming from fgm
because fgm was ruled to be a cultural practice and not a
form of oppression or torture.

the above are some of the questions/complexities that
seem particularly troubling and difficult to unravel.
yeah, it's a brutal thing, but i don't have a clue how we
can address it even within the borders of our own
country.

kc

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> get your point across without attack

who was attacking?  wow.  what you perceived as "personal" attacks, i
perceived as the free exchange of opinions.

> everyone is entitled to their own opinion and entitled to challenge
> others'

isn't that exactly what was happening?  weren't people just expressing
varying views?  am i on a different list than you, because all i read
all day was lots of passionate opinions on a highly charged subject. .
(i'm assuming you are referring to th genital mutilation thread). . .
lots of different and wonderful viewpoints.  it seems that whenever
their are differing opinions, someone will always interpret such as an
"attack".  and i will add that i am so proud that there are women (and
men as well) who feel so strongly about injustices against humanity.
you go, people!

elaine

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hi folks,

well, the list survived into the new year...<g>

and to keep the list a happy place, a brief reminder for all that nigc
subjects are best discussed in length off the list.

in this interest, please take the discussion of female
circimcision/genital mutilation to private email or other forums.

thank you and have a happy, healthy new year!

jen lucero
ig list co-owner

ps...a new list and ig faq will be soon forthcoming!

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> > get your point across without attack
>
> who was attacking?  wow.  what you perceived as "personal" attacks, i
> perceived as the free exchange of opinions.
>
> > everyone is entitled to their own opinion and entitled to challenge
> > others'
>
> isn't that exactly what was happening?  weren't people just expressing
> varying views?  am i on a different list than you, because all i read
> all day was lots of passionate opinions on a highly charged subject. .
> (i'm assuming you are referring to th genital mutilation thread). . .

i am on this list the last time i checked and my statement was a general one
since i first joined this list i have seen many a "heated" debate and my
point is still clear
anything you type can be misconstrued  take the above for instance
you excerpted my e-mail which says to me that these were the things that
jumped out at you

ok well here is what jumped out at me

"am i on a different list than you, because all i read all day was lots of
passionate opinions on a highly charged subject"

translation:  i don't read the material before i form my opinion
a statement i find highly offensive

but when taken with the rest of your statement doesn't seem nearly as bad.
so my point is don't assume you know the motive behind any post and don't
assume that people are trying to be malicious and/or hurt your feelings and
most importantly remember that some people will take what you say personally

nan

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(blowing dust off of my soap box and further screwing up my cold =
infected sinuses)

ladies gentlemen, transgendered....we all know that when we touch on =
subjects like these that the list erupts in a nasty confrontation...we =
are all passionate people who are literate enough to post our thoughts =
and feelings without being ugly...i think that nancy was only trying to =
say that we can discuss things with out being offensive to each other =
and as you all well know publicly flaming each other is a major no no =
for the list. if you disagree with something said such as the post from =
nancy you should do so in private...i know i just broke that rule, but i =
felt this needed to be said....mom has spoken and will go back into her =
corner of isolation for the moment.......damn this soap box is =
dusty..........
pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa=20
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> hi,
>  does anyone have a boot of either of the tower shows from philadelphia
>  this fall?
>  contact me please,
>  thanks,
>  mary

hey all--

i'd like to make the same request. anyone have any current tour shows i would
be indebted greatly (for trade or b&p). i have some boots for trade and i'm
getting a bunch in real soon.

thanks again.


ninja dave.
trading page: <a
href="http://hometown.aol.com/rush2dog/myhomepage/collection.html">http://home
town.aol.com/rush2dog/myhomepage/collection.html</a>
np: bowl game

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reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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hey :o)

eclectic indigo girls, the web's premier source* for indigo girls bootleg
cds and other esoteric information has a new home** and will be updated some
in the coming weeks...

so if you have a link to the site, or have it bookmarked, please update it
to:
www.andineil.com/indigogirls
and if you haven't got a link to it, why not make one? why not indeed.

if you have any additional information for the pages, please throw it my
way.

indicated - the list tribute to the indigo girls. the deadline has passed,
but if you hurry, you can still get your contribution to me before i get
'round to finalizing the tracklisting. hey, you can even email me an mp3 if
you like (but not to this address, please!!)

any questions about any of the above just email me:
thatcrazyindigogirlsboottreemakingguy@andineil.com

neil
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*i just thought of that, so it could be a big fat lie.
** actually, it's the same old home with a slightly different name

http://www.andineil.com
http://www.andineil.com/indigogirls
http://www.andineil.com/edenburning
neil, andi, andineil or thatcoolenglishguy @andineil.com
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hey all. today i was sitting in my school's library looking through a copy of
dance magazine. i came across an article called "coming out in dance". it was
about a whole bunch of dancers who have come out. this was wicked cool
because i am a dancer. is there anyone else out there in ig land who have
seen ths article? it really is interesting. email me privately if you want to
know more.
peace (tonight)
~alyssa

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hey all~
    when reading your posts i was reminded of an article i read in reader's
digest last year. i can't remember which month it was but it really made me
think... anyone else remember reading this article?
~alyssa

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from: "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8d)" <listserv@netspace.org>
subject:      file: "indigo-girls log0001a"
to: underdog@earthlink.net
date: sun, 9 jan 2000 19:06:43 -0500

reply-to:     havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
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subject:      thanks for the eduation re: fgm

to the women of the list:

thanks for the education on a most sensitive subject.  for what it's worth,
my sensitivities definitely fall on the feminist/humanist side of the
issue...

i can assure you from personal experience that there is absolutely no
correllation between the severity of the consequences of the procedures as
performed on males versus females.

amy j. putnam wrote:

<  ultimately, in my mind,
feminism is all about human rights as it is about helping those who
have been oppressed.  while the focus seems to be only on women,
ultimately, i believe that feminism helps everyone by endeavoring
to make the world a better place overall.  >

i concur.

peace,
tim
http://havanamoon.8m.com/
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you, too?  thought i was the only one.'" c.s. lewis

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does anyone still have the stomp and stammer
cons review and amy's response?  to make a long story short i can't
access it anymore on my old webtv account.  (i had to reopen a new
account to keep up my service. webtv  couldn't transfer my emails to my
new account,
so i lost  some of y best  ig  stuff.)

so that's why i would appreciate another copy
of these two articles.   thanks!

peace

barb

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thanks to carrie knepp and all those who are responding to my  request
for  stomp and stammer  and amy's response.   i  really appreciate the
favor,,,,,,really.

peace,

barb

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i read that article...and i think it was september or october edition.

vicki

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hey y'all,
first off i think that everyone in the mutilation rumble needs to step
outside the ring, water down and look at it from the  other angles and
realize some people are more active about things and other people are more
active about other things..... being a young lesbian who does speakouts at
schools, educates teachers, and works for a youth based group i realize that
there are some issues i dont wantto speak about or that dont pertain to my
interest and that others that may be overlooked by my friends, matter
greatly to me.... if graham wants to start a new movement fine...or if he
wanted to educate you on his feelings, fine. if he did it to poke at women
jumping on the bandwagon of "feminism"(which a bumpersticker defines as "the
radical notion women have rights" thought id throw that in for a
chuckle...but i digress)or caring about an issue then well i think we all
need to look to the girls and realize ..why fight each other .... in the
time we all spent writing various emails we could have done something else
for a better cause.....
*takes a deep breath*
neil i hope you dont see anymore cdrs on sale on ebay .... good luck...


>woohooo! gay video store clerks unite!  (or something...sorry, i'm tired)

rock on.... i cant wait to get the watershed dvd for the extra stuff.....and
what kind of video store  opens at 6? yuck!

and well its like 7 months and a week to ben and jerry's newport folk
festival(i dont think they announced the date yet)....hope the girls are
getting more new stuff ready cuz i think thats the perfect way to see them
..... and maybe this year when and if amy ray throws out ice cream bars i'll
be lucky enough to knock over a few people when i dive for it..... hehee
well thats my 3 cents .....
-jess

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does anyone have a boot of the atlanta tabernacle shows or at least a
transcript of amy's soc?  if someone does, we can all hear my embarrassing
shouts of "amy!  amy!" lol! (just joking about this particular show but
listen closely to the chicago suffragettes boot.)

love,
julie ;-)

aol instant messenger = <julielibes>

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hey all

the ig site has info that there will be some special dates in february.  a&e are going to tour alone.  anyway i checked pollstar and there are 2 dates listed.

one date is 2/19/00 canton ny st lawrence university

sencond date is 2/26/00 chicago il university of chicago

don't know if these dates are for sure but pollstar has them!!!

i was hoping canton ny wasn't so far away from baltimore but no such luck!!!!

sandy

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this has alotof ig stuff
click and see what amy says about snakes
http://www.zinezone.com/zines/music/folk/indigogirls/

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yes i have most of  what m. post was asking about.  if anyone has any new
boots to trade, let me know.  i am always willing to set up a trade.

jude :)

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date:         wed, 5 jan 2000 16:32:54 -0500
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i cant find any ig midis
anyone know of any good sites that have some
i used to be able to find them so far all i found was a poor version of
closer to fine

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yeah!!!  keep em coming!!!  and amy & emily, in case you're reading this,
please come back to atlanta - we haven't seen you in forever!!!  (yes, i'm
really, really greedy about my girls ;)  (got my +6 flame-resistant shield
on)

any new dates or onsale info for the us or in the land down under, please
post them when you get 'em!

thanks
a+e=ig

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> this has alotof ig stuff
> click and see what amy says about snakes
>
http://www.zinezone.com/zines/music/folk/indigogirls/

i went to the site (which looks cool, btw), but it
said to check back later.  everything i tried to look
at said there were 0 articles.  where is this amy
snake interview or whatever?

peace,

the grammatically challenged one today :p

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right hand side says that
but if you scroll down the left hand frame theres a list of stuff

on wed, 5 jan 2000, joan morrison wrote:

> > this has alotof ig stuff
> > click and see what amy says about snakes
> >
> http://www.zinezone.com/zines/music/folk/indigogirls/
>
> i went to the site (which looks cool, btw), but it
> said to check back later.  everything i tried to look
> at said there were 0 articles.  where is this amy
> snake interview or whatever?
>
> peace,
>
> the grammatically challenged one today :p
>
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--- mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu> wrote:

> right hand side says that
> but if you scroll down the left hand frame theres a
> list of stuff

oops! <wiping egg off of face>   in my haste (i'm at
work), i didn't scroll all the way down... :-p

peace and thanks!

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hey tara i accidentally deleted your address to send ya the stuff (leave it
to me!) ive tried to e-mail you privately but it kicked back and said trigon
wasn't taking e-mails right now...so i'm havin to send this to the list just
e-mail me privately with your address thanks again!!! ----------mandy :)

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>from: barbara bordner  <barbarafrommn@webtv.net>
>
>does anyone still have the stomp and stammer
>cons review and amy's response?

it is on my ig index <http://www.mindspring.com/~indigo/indigo.html>.

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well since i have no room for a piano in my house (i think stuart little
would find it a tad small) and i don't have the $7000 to buy it off the
auction i will just send my check to honor the earth.

you know that if all of us on this list sent in just $1.00 that would total
$661?  and if we all sent in $10.60 that would cover the auction price of
the piano

why do people find it necessary to get something in return for supporting a
worthy cause?

just curious

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alright seeing as how our wonderful ladies don't exactly like the idea of
releasing/re-recording some of their earlier stuff i say we start a petition
to take to their management agency saying that we would like to hear it.
personally i like the older stuff.

ok i'm done now

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by midis, do you mean minidiscs?  if so, i saw all of their releases on
minidiscs at best buy just a week or so ago.


on wed, 5 jan 2000, mark donajkowski wrote:

> i cant find any ig midis
> anyone know of any good sites that have some
> i used to be able to find them so far all i found was a poor version of
> closer to fine
>
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no i mean midi as in midi file

on wed, 5 jan 2000 115_17@asu.edu wrote:

> by midis, do you mean minidiscs?  if so, i saw all of their releases on
> minidiscs at best buy just a week or so ago.
>
>
> on wed, 5 jan 2000, mark donajkowski wrote:
>
> > i cant find any ig midis
> > anyone know of any good sites that have some
> > i used to be able to find them so far all i found was a poor version of
> > closer to fine
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well i doubt many people would send in $7000 to a worthy charity without
getting something in return....a buck maybe, but i seriously doubt $7000.....

> why do people find it necessary to get something in return for supporting a
> worthy cause?
>

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i think instead we should maybe respect the wishes of the girls and not push the
issue or releasing old stuff.  besides, i'm not really sure, no matter how many
signatures from obsessed fans from the internet are on a petition, that their
management would ever take it into consideration.  that's not really the way
that it works....i'd like to hear the old stuff too, but if amy and emily don't
want to release it, then they won't.  didn't they say something about they
didn't mind mp3s and boots too much?  anyone remember when amy was talking about
that in some interview?

sharon

> alright seeing as how our wonderful ladies don't exactly like the idea of
> releasing/re-recording some of their earlier stuff i say we start a petition
> to take to their management agency saying that we would like to hear it.
> personally i like the older stuff.

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i wasn't talking about sending in a check for $7000.  jesus i can barely pay
tuition.  i noticed it blatantly with the hte fundraiser here on the list.
now people would send in $5 donations for the essentially the same thing
they are auctioning off for $300+.  just struck me as curious thats all.


> -----original message-----
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> behalf of sb
> sent: wednesday, january 05, 2000 9:24 pm
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
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>
>
> well i doubt many people would send in $7000 to a worthy charity without
> getting something in return....a buck maybe, but i seriously
> doubt $7000.....
>

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in a message dated 1/5/00 8:01:27 pm atlantic standard time,
listserv@netspace.org writes

hey, i'd love a copy of that philly boot too, if anyone has it (or any ig
boot for that matter!) i have a couple of shows to trade, plus some other
non-ig related stuff: <a
href="http://www.gurlpages.com/music/k.munson/index.html">kisha's world
o'bootlegs trading page</a>

xo
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hidden tracks are, well, annoying to some, and a little treat to others.

only once have i seen them actually be useful.

sister 7's last album "this the trip" (go out and buy this cd now!) kicks ass
all the way through, until the end, where you are faced with _40_  3-second
long tracks, and then one more ass kicking song.

this used to annoy the sprouts outa me, especially when i absentmindedly threw
the cd in on the random mode- you would get more silence then music. but thats
the point- the band has basically forced the listener into listening to the
tracks one at a time, in a specific order, reenforcing the 'album structure'.
it also kind of highlights the actual hidden track's position of being extra
and hidden, which it is.

yes, it's annoying and bothersom and all that... but i think it's pretty
smart, too.

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sorry...didn't mean to sound rude or hateful or anything....just saying that
human nature usually tends to tell people that if they are to give, they ought
to receive in return.  and usually any donation over a few bucks is given with
something expected in return...unless of course it's someone incredibly wealthy
to begin with.
just out of curiosity, what are they auctioning for $300 that people are sending
$5 for?

nancy lambert wrote:

> i wasn't talking about sending in a check for $7000.  jesus i can barely pay
> tuition.  i noticed it blatantly with the hte fundraiser here on the list.
> now people would send in $5 donations for the essentially the same thing
> they are auctioning off for $300+.  just struck me as curious thats all.

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but it requires meeting amy.....

pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa=20
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hey is anyone in my group that tara has told to mail your stuff (early
recordings cdr's) into her that has her address ive got all my stuff all
ready to go and no address and i want to get it to her as soon as possible!
like tomm. if possible i would really appreciate it!! just e-mail me
privately thanks again! take care! ------mandy :)

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i asked in the yahoo chat whether they'd given serious consideration to
reissuing their pre-strange fire recordings.

they said that they didn't want to do that because their writing was not up
to their current standards, but amy mentioned she should make bootlegs of
them and have online tradings.

i don't have the exact transcripts, but i'm sure someone does. it's at
www.hob.com somewhere i think.

so i'm sure they're aware of the interest in the stuff. i'd love to work
with them to do a proper job on everything and more, but realistically i
think we're going to have to stick with what we have - early recordings 1-4,
which are pretty much the best of what there is anyway...

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once again, i must implore everyone to check out ember swift.  she is
playing a bunch of dates in the northeast and once you see her live i
promise you will be hooked.

thurs. jan 13th @ the bug jar in rochester, ny 219 munroe ave / 9:00pm
                                 ******************************
fri. jan 14th @ pauly's hotel in albany, ny performing w/ blisstrip /
337 central ave / 9:00pm
                                 ******************************
sat. jan 15th @ happy endings coffeehouse in syracuse, ny 317 south
clinton st. / 8:30pm

                                 ******************************
mon. jan 17th @ fire & water cafe in northampton, ma 5 old south st. /
8:30pm
                                 ******************************
tues. jan 18th @ the middle east in cambridge, ma  472 massachusetts ave
/ 9:30pm / $6 cover
                                 ******************************
wed. jan 19th @ the hawk's nest (uohartford) in hartford, ct 200
bloomfield ave / 8:30pm
                                 ******************************
fri. jan 21st @club zone in montreal, pq  1186 crescent ave / 9:00pm
                                 ******************************
sat. jan 22nd @ rooster's (carleton u) in ottawa, on  performing for
campus *pride*  1125 colonel by dr. / 10:00pm
                                 ******************************
sat. jan 29th @ ted's wrecking yard in toronto, on with corduroy leda &
jelly's pierced tattoo (from detroit)
                                549 college st. / 9:30pm /  $6.00 cover
                                 ******************************


                                      check out:
                                     ---------------------

                   the amazing new toronto independent musicians
resource site:
                                      http://www.indievoice.com

                           review of permanent marker on
indie-music.com:

http://www.indie-music.com/emberswift.shtml

                           review of permanent marker on musicdish.com:

http://www.musicdish.com/issue/991215/reviews.php3

                        chris & rebecca case at rcd music & bhurr
records:
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in a message dated 1/5/2000 5:11:50 pm central standard time,
armydillo@mindspring.com writes:

<<and if we all sent in $10.60 that would cover the auction price of
the piano >>

how would we work out custody of the piano?  <hee hee> :o)


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easy set up a traveling museum......that goes from town to town full of =
ig memorabilia....and of course get the girls to play the museum from =
time to time what do you say who is up for it?

pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa=20
beccie lyon

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http://www.mrvideos.com

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it occured to me.. being raised in the education system of music city.. =
where they cut music funding further every year...

what if the list bought the piano, and donated it to a needy school, say =
in atlanta.. or maybe one of the schools that wouldn't let the girls =
play??? i have no idea how to organize something like that.. maybe =
someone on the list does? i can dream... hell... there has to be a needy =
music program somewhere in the education system, right? we could ask =
emily to choose a school to which it could be donated.. that way.... hte =
gets a donation, a school gets a piano, and we all could have warm =
fuzzies.....=20


just my thoughts..

joanne

"you wanted a show of strength, darling, and i won't let you down"
william topley

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just in case anyone wants this.... peace tonight is available to =
download at=20

http://windowsmedia.msn.com/music/guide.asp=20

so is "luscious  jackson" and "let it snow"


joanne

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what a **fabulous** idea, joanne!!!!!  i already have warm fuzzies. :) :)
how on earth would we do that?  we could even give it to a school in decatur
or one of amy or emily's schools.  hmmm..... the possibilities. ;)

~katie

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i like this idea... i say we spread the music and the warm fuzzies... i
think with an idea like this, everybody wins. :) i think to organize
this, we would have to get a list of pledges, and one person to be the
person who tells them that we want to buy it and find a school n' stuff
like that.  maybe a couple of people should work on the finding the
school... i dunno... committee work is a pain, but often necessary...
anyway, let's keep this idea going!!

ruth

> faeriegirl wrote:
>
> it occured to me.. being raised in the education system of music
> city.. where they cut music funding further every year...
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>
> what if the list bought the piano, and donated it to a needy school,
> say in atlanta.. or maybe one of the schools that wouldn't let the
> girls play??? i have no idea how to organize something like that..
> maybe someone on the list does? i can dream... hell... there has to be
> a needy music program somewhere in the education system, right? we
> could ask emily to choose a school to which it could be donated.. that
> way.... hte gets a donation, a school gets a piano, and we all could
> have warm fuzzies.....
>
>
> just my thoughts..
>
> joanne
>
> "you wanted a show of strength, darling, and i won't let you down"
> william topley
>
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i am desperately asking all of you boot people out there to check your
stashes...i need a boot of the zembo mosqe, harrisburg pa, 9-16-97,
show....please please please....someone has to have
it.............thanks goes out to hunter who has all but made my
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peace and love,
         carrie

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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no one here knows where i can find some ig midis

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well if we all send in i say um everyone gets a string , a key or a pedal
.... and well we can give me the bench.... i mean sure emily sat on it but i
know yall arent interested in that ....besides a key vs. a bench please !!!!
hehe
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in a message dated 1/5/00 10:39:38 pm pacific standard time,
bluekangaroo@hotmail.com writes:

> well if we all send in i say um everyone gets a string , a key or a pedal
>  .... and well we can give me the bench.... i mean sure emily sat on it but
i
>  know yall arent interested in that ....besides a key vs. a bench please
!!!!
>  hehe
dismantling a musical instrument that is working!! blasphemy! sacrelige!
::giggle::

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in a message dated 1/5/00 10:43:18 pm pacific standard time,
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> sacrelige!
sorry, my bad.  spelling error

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happy life, everyone!!!

    i am willing to be the one to receive and calculate pledges, everyone who
is willing and able to pledge whatever amount just hit reply to this message
to me and i will add em up!  (obviously don't actually sign the check until
we know if this has more than fred phelps' chance at an ig concert of
surviving).  i can't say for sure if i will be able to handle the whole thing
so if i could get an igr (indigo girls relations!) person to handle that end
of things i will at least offer to have aol hate me for a few days for using
mailbox space if we get much response to this!!  figuring liberally that
maybe 100 of us are willing to pledge something, this in theory brings the
necessary amount per person to $70, but that's nutso large. :op  every penny
helps, don't let $70 scare you.  let's see if we can get a big response!
come on guys, go go go, or let it be you... let's see what this list is made
of!
     to echo joanne, our gift is doing triple time - hte gets the money, some
underprivileged or otherwise close to the ig's hearts' school or kids
hospital gets a piano (and i say all pledgers should get visitation rights!),
and we are spreading warm fuzzies to everyone around us including ig, perhaps
their "mixed reaction" to us could be redeemed?  no better way to honor their
convictions and all they've given us then to give back.  also if they or we
elected to give it to ermo or one of the others, think of the impact it could
have, what a gesture.  but back to the nitty-gritty fundraising - i'll start
the ball rolling with $100, best i can manage as a high school student.  i'll
keep the list posted with totals!    we only have until january 14, next
friday, so get hopping if you like to hop, and even if you don't think of
some little confused gay child learning to love music and herself on emily's
piano.  passing the torch.  hope our idealism pays off.

armed with a calculator and the best of hopes,
lisa :o)

"not a wrong for a wrong - let it be me - if the world is night, shine my
life like a light"  ~ our lady emily

ps  respond to me privately at tryng2bme@aol.com if you want to team up,
sorry i didn't mean to takeover joanne and ruth's idea, but y'all said you
wanted an organizer? i'd love to have someone handle the ig relations end of
things, where they want it to go, etc.  otherwise i'll do it, but i don't
want to botch it - i'm a 15 y/o without much experience in dealing with
celebrities :o)

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oh no ..... no dismantling ...the piano stays together everyone just gets a
certificate to say they own the low c key or the middle eflat or the
sostenuto pedal or whatever ..... and well i still get the bench....
hehehehe


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in a message dated 1/5/00 10:39:38 pm pacific standard time,
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> well if we all send in i say um everyone gets a string , a key or a pedal
>  .... and well we can give me the bench.... i mean sure emily sat on it
but
i
>  know yall arent interested in that ....besides a key vs. a bench please
!!!!
>  hehe
dismantling a musical instrument that is working!! blasphemy! sacrelige!
::giggle::

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 02:56:10 -0500
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>   also if they or we
> elected to give it to ermo or one of the others, think of the impact it could
> have, what a gesture.

well, being that i am an "ermo" (actually spelled "irmo") alumni, (i'm usually
ashamed to admit that irmo is my alma mater since it was the first school to
cancel the girls) i'm not sure if irmo high really needs a grand piano.  it's
generally a pretty rich-ish school that has a decent (not great, but decent)
music program.  however, if you think it may actually make an impact, then could
be.  at least i live close so i could come visit it! hehehe.

sharon

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 02:57:50 -0500
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i believe i saw a midi of power of two one time a loooooong time ago,
but i have no idea where, and you'd have just as much luck as me trying
to find it, if it even still exists.....

sharon

mark donajkowski wrote:

> no one here knows where i can find some ig midis

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 03:20:46 -0600
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i suggest we all donate the piano to me.  lol
seriously.....isuggest  we give the piano to hte
because i'm sure there are many poverty-stricken  native american
schools out
there  who could use  a piano,  and hte  would probably know of these
places that would not have  much in the way of music.  that's  the
girls' favorite project, and they would like that,
not only would our money go to hte but it
would be a way of keeping emily's piano  in the
"family" so to speak.   and maybe in return we could get backstage
passes, &/or free tickets to
an ig show?

count me in.

barb

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 07:44:38 est
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hey everyone!

this is kelly, fairbk@sage.edu, with a new e-mail addy.  the sage address will still work, but i'm attempting to get some of my personal stuff off my work e-mail, so my list mail is going here. :)

anyway, i hope everyone had a wonderful new year's.  i didn't (can you imaging a worse time to get the flu?), but hopefully i'll be healthy for the new millenium next year.

cindy johnson, your discs are done and in the mail.  i tried to find your e-mail addy, but it seems to have disappeared.

kelly,
very happy because she just heard that the nields probe is going to be near albany this month. :)

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 08:05:41 -0500
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still trying to figure out the logic behind all of this... signed piano
donated to honor the earth... igslist bids on piano so the money goes to
hte... we give the piano back to hte? so they can auction it again? or we
give it to a school so they have a baby grand piano signed by emily?

gosh, i don't think even i can come up with something against this noble
idea. although it is highly unusual.

so instead i volunteer.
oh yes, the auction details say words to the effect of 'straight from
emily's front room to yours' and 'shipping arrangements are up to the
winner'.

i'll go get it.
i promise not to steal any of emily's silverware while i'm at it.

:o)
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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 06:19:39 -0800
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--- mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu> wrote:
>  http://www.mrvideos.com

twm has had no personal dealings with mrvideos.com,
but in the interests of consumer affairs would like to
draw your attention to:

http://x46.deja.com/getdoc.xp?an=430892593&context=947168165.1155203131&hitnum=4

(found by doing a newsgroup search for 'mrvideos' at
www.deja.com )
and also:

http://www.generation.net/~ronfaith/content2.html

these do not paint mrvideos.com in a positive light,
although if anyone has any information to the contrary
twm would be delighted to hear it.

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 07:40:39 mst
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here goes nothing... : )

i decided that before i contacted honor the earth, or anyone else.. i should
look at the auction rules.  which scared the pants off of me.

the rules for the auction are at:
http://auctions.indigogirlsdirect.com/scripts/terms.asp

the auction is done via credit card only. i don't use credit cards, and sure
as heck am not going to start with something this hugamongus. also... i
forgot about tax.. and shipping, and a 10% buyer's premium.

i added the 10% and then 8% (just a stab at what the sales tax might come
to), that came to $8,300.00 so i could say it would be at least an $8500.00
donation that we'd be trying to come up with.

there is an "auction administrator" and a phone number on this site. if i
receive a large response, i'll give her a call today, to ask if they would
take this into consideration.

lisa.. i'm not trying to pull anything away from you or anyone else...
however... if anyone is really, truly interested in doing this, please email
me privately at faeriekid@hotmail.com. if it seems like i'm going to get a
large enough response, i'll call the auction administrator and see if they
will work with us. if it does not, i'll send out an email to all who were
interested. please email me, even if you have emailed lisa, so i can get an
idea.

gee.. i sound really stressed and hyper.. i'm not at all. i really think
that this could be done, and i'm willing to put at least $50.00 of my
corporate-whoring cash down for it. maybe a bit more, if i think that i
might get an equal response from others. at the least, i'll be sending a
donation to honor the earth. i will not be contacting honor the earth until
i find out if the what the auction will permit.

any advice, ideas, etc, are more than welcome at faeriekid@hotmail.com.

i really believe in the benefit of music in education... i'm sure the
majority of the list does, too. i also believe in the strength and caring
and willingness of the list to petition, fight, and work together.. even
though we may bite one another's heads off from time to time.

thanks for your time,

joanne

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 13:23:23 -0500
reply-to:     michael cunningham <mcunningham@pbp1.com>
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hkf's,

here's an e-mail from the ex-ig-guru sherlyn about some australia tour
information.  i've updated my tour page to the best of my us ability, but
feel free to let us know if there's anything wrong or missing.

thanks.au
a+e=ig.au

;).au

mcunningham5@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/indigotour.html
"...what a blessed sky"

-----original message-----
from: sherlyn koo

the number to get canberra tickets is (02) 6257-1077, or 1800-802-025 for
out of state callers.  tickets available by phone only.

adelaide tickets are onsale now and available from venuetix at
http://www.venuetix.com.au or by phone on (08) 8223-7788.

the number for ticketmaster (sydney & melbourne) is 136100.

brisbane tickets are available from qtix at 136246.

don't know who's selling perth tickets...

cheers,
sherlyn

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 14:23:57 -0500
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<http://www.pollstar.com/daily/hires_0104.jpg>

if it's not there any more, try
<http://www.pollstar.com/nobody/hires_0104.jpg>.

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 14:48:30 est
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><http://www.pollstar.com/daily/hires_0104.jpg>

looks like it's from the 2nd show at the tabernacle in atlanta.  right?  you
go girls...

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 14:49:03 -0500
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        okay. coupla things. work with me as i organize my thinking.
        * i think buying it and donating it somewhere is a great idea and
i am in.
        * i think buying it and donating it to a needy school in inner
city atlanta is perhaps the most practical application of what we have in
mind (or, at least, what i think we have in mind, which is giving it to
somebody who really needs it and couldn't get it themselves) since raising
the $8,300 is going to be hard enough without trying to raise an
additional $300 or more in piano transportation fees once we scrape
together enough to actually buy the piano.
        * i know that this isn't true of everyone onlist, but i for one
have several friends who are devoted ig fans. and i think that a lot of
them would be willing to chip in at least a few dollars - not because
we're the indigo girls list, but because this is a good cause. it would
make this whole idea a lot more feasible.
        * in the vein of doing good for the sake of good itself, i don't
think we should ask for backstage passes or any sort of "thank you" from
amy and emily. they have already done their charitable share by making a
gift of the proceeds from the piano to honor the earth. i think it's kind
of selfish to ask them to give even more to  us just because we decided
that we wanted to do a good thing. much as i would love a backstage pass,
i would rather that we make this a complete gift by not asking for
anything in return.

        mandy


        sometimes i ask to sneak a closer look
        skip to the final chapter of the book
        and then maybe steer us clear from some of the pain it took
        to get us where we are this far yeah
        but the question drowns in its futility
        and even i have got to laugh at me
        no one gets to miss the storm of what will be
        just holding on for the ride

                   *emily saliers*

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 12:13:13 -0800
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not to mention that it's not really practical to give
300 or so people backstage passes :-) or however many
end up contributing. i think it would be appropriate
to reward the person in charge of rounding up the
pledges tho.

jon/jack/turtle

--- "mandy, recovering teaholic"
<eburton@brynmawr.edu> wrote:
* in the vein of doing good for the sake of
> good itself, i don't
> think we should ask for backstage passes or any sort
> of "thank you" from
> amy and emily.
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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 15:23:49 est
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subject:      (nigc).  howdy.  erin mckeown in philly, say i.
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the original folk-funk-blues-jazz fusion
(tho maybe not necessarily in that order)
erin mckeown
will be playing
with adam brodsky
at the tin angel, 20 south st, philly
tomorrow (friday) night at 11pm
for a measly $7.

(the not-really-original listserv loudmouth
me
may very likely be in attendance.)

if you've never heard her,
good god, why?
dig your volvo out of that three-foot snow drift and
come listen.

call the metallic winged place at 215/928-0770 for more info.

la.
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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 15:40:00 -0500
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guys...

i just realized that the copy of wrek night on my hard drive is corrupted.
specifically, track eight is all noise and no music, and is liable to scare
the bejesus out of anyone listening to it.

this means pretty much everyone with this disc may well have a bad copy. i
messed up bad and i'm sorry.

i will replace all faulty discs (just send me return p+p so i don't go
bankrupt)

the boot tree branches - just remind me of your address and i'll get a
corrected disc to you just as soon as i can. i just hope you haven't made
too many copies!

in the words of father jack hackett: "feckarse!"

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for those of you who haven't heard me spittle about on this, here goes:

january 15, 9:30 pm, big horse (1558 n. milwaukee), chicago, il
troy petty (along with milkbaby and another band who's name i forget)
this guy is perchance my favorite local artist since rose p.  intense,
acoustic, brooding introspection with this voice that will take your breath
away and drop your jaw.  i kid you not.  think, oh, radiohead meets james
meets rose p meets kurt cobain in a dark, candle-lit bar.

the cover's like 5 bucks, the club has a mexican restaurant, what more could
you want?  e-mail me off the list for directions/details.

shel
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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 13:08:34 -0800
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the wedgie monster doens't usually like to voice his
opinions... but:

something is troubling me, but i can't quite put my
claws and paws on what. for although what has been
suggested is very noble in theory, here's what's going
through my head:

why pay $8,300 to give a piano to a school?

i'm sure it's a perfectly good piano, but surely with
that kind of money you could buy eight schools a
decent instrument.

some rich person would still have the opportunity to
purchase emily's joannah and honor the earth would
have its money and not lose out.

twm is sure that the piano itself is worth less than
the asking price, which means a premium is being paid
due to the present owner's celebrity status. a premium
which is 'wasted' if it's going to a school. (not to
mention the percentage that's going toward taxes and
sales comission - oops, i just did).

food for thought, no?

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in case anyone hasn't noticed...they've lowered the reserve on the piano, it
is now $5000. instead of $7000.

luann

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in a message dated thu, 6 jan 2000  3:39:22 pm eastern standard time, "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com> writes:

> guys...
>
> i just realized that the copy of wrek night on my hard drive is corrupted.

> the boot tree branches - just remind me of your address and i'll get a
> corrected disc to you just as soon as i can. i just hope you haven't made
> too many copies!

is there anyway i can get in on this tree?? info please? thanks ya'all.

ninja dave.

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"not to mention that it's not really practical to give
300 or so people backstage passes :-) or however many
end up contributing. i think it would be appropriate
to reward the person in charge of rounding up the
pledges tho.

jon/jack/turtle"


i emailed jon... however.. right now, i'm keeping a tally of anyone who
might be interested. i estimate that since 7 am mountain time this morning,
i've had a total of $475.00 pledged. this may not sound that amazing.. but
this total comes after 9 people who specified an amount.. including myself,
have pledged. this does not count just the people who have said that they
can help.. but have not specified an amount.  what if we got 300-400 people?
can you imagine?

i took the jump, and have left a message for the lady in charge of the
auction. she should be calling me back. if she doesn't, i'll call her again.
i didn't host writer's nights and poetry readings and travel doing poesy for
nothing. i'm a persistant little booger. i'll ask her how firm the credit
card ordering standard is, and if anyone has any suggestions, such as "i
have a huge limit on my credit card, and can help with this."

issues that we have would be "where to send the piano and how to get it
there." atlanta seems to be the best bet, since we may be able to have
people in atlanta, either from the schools, or the list (does anyone work
for a moving company?) move the piano, to save $$$. hey neil.. wanna go work
for a moving company? this is a nice piano, so putting it in a pick up truck
and hauling it over town (grandma's phrase) would not be the best thing..
though i can see the streets lined with ig fans, drooling after the thing.

and... one more thing. no one should expect any personal benefit from this.
i'm not saying that anyone does, or that hoping or wishing for ig kudos is a
bad thing. lord knows.. i'd do a lot just for a smile from the girls.
however... this is more than that. this could be an opportunity to bring
attention to the girls, attention to the lack of public funding for music
education, and definitely a good thing for honor the earth. and we get warm
fuzzies.. hell.. i'm getting warm fuzzies just from thinking about it, and
from the great responses i've gotten from the list.

lisa and ruth.. if you guys have gotten responses.. can you please forward
them to me? i'll compile a formal list of responses i've received, and
confirm with everyone. and if this gets underway.. lisa.. yes.. i'll need
help tracking.

please email me at faeriekid@hotmail.com if you are interested in pledging,
or have ideas. nothing is set in stone at this point.

joanne - from colorado.. a state proud to be 49th in the nation for funding
public schools.

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 16:21:10 -0500
reply-to:     "mandy, recovering teaholic" <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
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from:         "mandy, recovering teaholic" <eburton@brynmawr.edu>
subject:      re: emily's piano
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> something is troubling me, but i can't quite put my
> claws and paws on what. for although what has been
> suggested is very noble in theory, here's what's going
> through my head:
>
> why pay $8,300 to give a piano to a school?

        i see two reasons to do this, although i agree that the $1,300
sales tax is damn annoying:

1. when last i checked, nobody else had bid on this piano yet. it
looks as though the auction might end before anybody does. so our
charitable donation is in fact twofold; in addition to givie a piano to a
school, we're giving $7,000 dollars to honor the earth, which otherwise
wouldn't be paid.

2. (cue chorus of list members humming "let it be me" in background)
although most teachers and students won't give much more than a glancing
thought as to where the piano came from, some will. and maybe they'll be
inspired to learn more about ig, not even as musicians, but as
humanitarians. and maybe they'll take those lessons which we have learned
from ig to heart. (\sappiness off)

        i guess the first argument is better, huh.
        mandy


        sometimes i ask to sneak a closer look
        skip to the final chapter of the book
        and then maybe steer us clear from some of the pain it took
        to get us where we are this far yeah
        but the question drowns in its futility
        and even i have got to laugh at me
        no one gets to miss the storm of what will be
        just holding on for the ride

                   *emily saliers*

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> -----original message-----

> why pay $8,300 to give a piano to a school?


where did you get $8300? it's now $5000

> some rich person would still have the opportunity to
> purchase emily's joannah and honor the earth would
> have its money and not lose out.

you know this for a fact? i mean, i am far from rich (how many small biz
owners do you know who are rich) and i help out with what i can but i think
assuming "someone else will dontate" is a bit risky.

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 14:34:07 mst
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""
why pay $8,300 to give a piano to a school?

i'm sure it's a perfectly good piano, but surely with
that kind of money you could buy eight schools a
decent instrument.

some rich person would still have the opportunity to
purchase emily's joannah and honor the earth would
have its money and not lose out.
""

twm has an excellent point. my idea was more of a rambling, wouldn't it be
nice if, situation. however.. if it wasn't emily's piano, why would the list
be interested enough to be involved?  i've seen the list do donations in the
girl's names, which might also be good.  however.. if we are unable to raise
the $$ for the piano.. i know that i'll still be donating money to hte.

joanne

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first off, count me in on the contributions.

secondly, i agree that it might make more sense to simply raise money to
donate musical instruments to a school or two (such as pianos
or...guitars...or whatever else).

we could always just see how much money is pledged by listees and see if
we have a fighting chance at the $5,000 reserve price (plus tax, plus
shipping), and if not, then i'm sure between all of us we could scrape
together enough for a console piano or other instruments. this way, we'd
be letting the list's interest decide.

either way, i'd like to contribute. i think it's a sad day when school
athletics, (or whatever else) get all the funding that should be going
to other things, such as the arts, or worse yet, when there's no funding
whatsoever. i was fortunate enough to attend schools that placed a good
amount of emphasis on music, and i think it improved my life in ways i
couldn't even begin to count...

just my four pence. :)

love,
amy

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""
in case anyone hasn't noticed...they've lowered the reserve on the piano, it
is now $5000. instead of $7000.

luann
""

this is great! that means that the sales tax would drop, also, (i added 8%
for sales tax.. it may be more or less) not including shipping, that would
mean only about $5500, not counting shipping.

anymore takers now?

joanne

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> that means that the sales tax would
> drop, also, (i added 8%
> for sales tax.. it may be more or less)

according to salestaxinstitute.com, georgia's state
sales tax rate is 4%, and the range of local taxes is
1 to 3%.  can someone out there tell us what the
combined (if applicable) sales tax rate in
decatur/dekalb county is?

peace!

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a wedgie monster is a misunderstood monster:

<<where did you get $8300? it's now $5000>>

""--- "mandy, recovering teaholic"
<eburton@brynmawr.edu> wrote:
"raising the $8,300 is going to be hard enough ""

twm is a slow typist and can't always keep up with
things. it's the big paws, you see.

<<i think assuming "someone else will dontate" is a
bit risky.>>

if that "someone else" doesn't materialise there is
still a piano that can be sold at any time, privately
or through auction, and whatever money made can be
given to honor the earth as origially intended.

twm thinks it's very cool that people are joining
together in this way. and that if it takes getting
something like this in return for people donating,
then that is no bad thing.

twm is just amused at the complexity of the proposed transaction.

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i reeallllly like this idea

i am willing to open an account and take in collections


  -----original message-----
  from: indigo girls mailing list [mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org]on
behalf of faeriegirl
  sent: wednesday, january 05, 2000 11:18 pm
  to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
  subject: emily's piano


  it occured to me.. being raised in the education system of music city..
where they cut music funding further every year...

  what if the list bought the piano, and donated it to a needy school, say
in atlanta.. or maybe one of the schools that wouldn't let the girls play???
i have no idea how to organize something like that.. maybe someone on the
list does? i can dream... hell... there has to be a needy music program
somewhere in the education system, right? we could ask emily to choose a
school to which it could be donated.. that way.... hte gets a donation, a
school gets a piano, and we all could have warm fuzzies.....


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hey i have access to moving equipment.  and if i can get some extra hands to
help me move it well i am willing to donate my time and truck and whatever
else i can scrounge up.  hey i even have access to a semi - just gotta get
my brother to drive it is all

hell i lift refrigerators, water heaters, air conditioners, stoves, washers,
dryers, ranges, etc. all day long by myself so really i would only need a
couple of people

just a thought
nan

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> behalf of mandy, recovering teaholic
> sent: thursday, january 06, 2000 2:51 pm
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: emily's piano
>
>
>         okay. coupla things. work with me as i organize my thinking.
>         * i think buying it and donating it somewhere is a great idea and
> i am in.
>         * i think buying it and donating it to a needy school in inner
> city atlanta is perhaps the most practical application of what we have in
> mind (or, at least, what i think we have in mind, which is giving it to
> somebody who really needs it and couldn't get it themselves) since raising
> the $8,300 is going to be hard enough without trying to raise an
> additional $300 or more in piano transportation fees once we scrape
> together enough to actually buy the piano.
>         * i know that this isn't true of everyone onlist, but i for one
> have several friends who are devoted ig fans. and i think that a lot of
> them would be willing to chip in at least a few dollars - not because
> we're the indigo girls list, but because this is a good cause. it would
> make this whole idea a lot more feasible.
>         * in the vein of doing good for the sake of good itself, i don't
> think we should ask for backstage passes or any sort of "thank you" from
> amy and emily. they have already done their charitable share by making a
> gift of the proceeds from the piano to honor the earth. i think it's kind
> of selfish to ask them to give even more to  us just because we decided
> that we wanted to do a good thing. much as i would love a backstage pass,
> i would rather that we make this a complete gift by not asking for
> anything in return.
>
>         mandy
>
>
>
>
>         sometimes i ask to sneak a closer look
>         skip to the final chapter of the book
>         and then maybe steer us clear from some of the pain it took
>         to get us where we are this far yeah
>         but the question drowns in its futility
>         and even i have got to laugh at me
>         no one gets to miss the storm of what will be
>         just holding on for the ride
>
>                    *emily saliers*
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<katie claps her hands together>

    your guys are the *best*!!!  we could really do this!!  you guys are
making this feasible and such a wonderful possibility.  i say we take
joanne's idea and run with it! :)  yeah. yeah. <katie smiles>  the way you
all touch people's lives every day just gets better and better.  isn't it
amazing that music can bring people together like this?  it's such a
beautiful kind of magic...

okay, enough of my ramblings ;)

~katie

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hold on let me check my receipts

the only tax i see on all my receipts from atlanta is 7% and that is
decatur, dekalb, etc. counties

nan

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> behalf of joan morrison
> sent: thursday, january 06, 2000 5:01 pm
> to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
> subject: re: emily's piano cheaper
>
>
> > that means that the sales tax would
> > drop, also, (i added 8%
> > for sales tax.. it may be more or less)
>
> according to salestaxinstitute.com, georgia's state
> sales tax rate is 4%, and the range of local taxes is
> 1 to 3%.  can someone out there tell us what the
> combined (if applicable) sales tax rate in
> decatur/dekalb county is?
>
> peace!
>
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i was wondering what is the site for the piano ....... i cant seem to find
it?
-jess
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hi all...
    i feel that what mandy had to say is the best application for the
purchase of emily's piano.  and personally, i think that raising $8300 is not
out of the question.  if we all spread the word to others outside of the
list, it shouldn't be a problem.
    also, i think it would just be a wonderful gesture on the part of the
list.  to have a group of fans come together like this for a good cause; to
support the group that has done so much for us and for others, would be
nothing short of superb.
    let's run with this -- and let's do it with nothing but the purest of
intentions.  count me in on this and let me know if there is any more i can
do.  i might not be in the atlanta area but i am in the savannah area so i am
close enough in proximity to help out if need be.

kate

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naw, do you have to pay sales tax on something if you buy it from another
state?

jude

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twm & ig list:

my sentiments exactly (see twm note below).

add'l note (dont scream at me all at once)....there's a wk till the
fundraising ends, therefore the commitments fm the list will be, in all
likelihood, via email (not backed up by $ at the point of commitment).

as far as donating a piano, should someone have an extra 6k laying around
and doesnt have room in their park avenue apartment, it would be a slight
waste to donate it to a school music program.  the school would probably
just prefer the cash to buy as many instruments as possible.   youthpride
would be a more linear connection.

i think the sentiment has been great & people who want to donate to hte
should go ahead & donate/bid on the item of their choice as individuals.

peace be to the list,

melissa


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> the wedgie monster doens't usually like to voice his
> opinions... but:
>
> something is troubling me, but i can't quite put my
> claws and paws on what. for although what has been
> suggested is very noble in theory, here's what's going
> through my head:
>
> why pay $8,300 to give a piano to a school?
>
> i'm sure it's a perfectly good piano, but surely with
> that kind of money you could buy eight schools a
> decent instrument.
>
> some rich person would still have the opportunity to
> purchase emily's joannah and honor the earth would
> have its money and not lose out.
>
> twm is sure that the piano itself is worth less than
> the asking price, which means a premium is being paid
> due to the present owner's celebrity status. a premium
> which is 'wasted' if it's going to a school. (not to
> mention the percentage that's going toward taxes and
> sales comission - oops, i just did).
>
> food for thought, no?
>
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faerie kid:

why dont you see how much is truly committed and then drop off 20% (there's
bound to be drop-off)

then on monday, if the list has about 75% of the 5k committed ($4,500 taking
into account drop-off & shipping/premium), contact the auction about
specific arrangements.

this way you have a real tangible to discuss.  right now it's 10 people
committing less than 10% of the current min auction bid amount.

just my .02...

melissa


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> "not to mention that it's not really practical to give
> 300 or so people backstage passes :-) or however many
> end up contributing. i think it would be appropriate
> to reward the person in charge of rounding up the
> pledges tho.
>
> jon/jack/turtle"
>
>
> i emailed jon... however.. right now, i'm keeping a tally of anyone who
> might be interested. i estimate that since 7 am mountain time this
morning,
> i've had a total of $475.00 pledged. this may not sound that amazing.. but
> this total comes after 9 people who specified an amount.. including
myself,
> have pledged. this does not count just the people who have said that they
> can help.. but have not specified an amount.  what if we got 300-400
people?
> can you imagine?
>
> i took the jump, and have left a message for the lady in charge of the
> auction. she should be calling me back. if she doesn't, i'll call her
again.
> i didn't host writer's nights and poetry readings and travel doing poesy
for
> nothing. i'm a persistant little booger. i'll ask her how firm the credit
> card ordering standard is, and if anyone has any suggestions, such as "i
> have a huge limit on my credit card, and can help with this."
>
> issues that we have would be "where to send the piano and how to get it
> there." atlanta seems to be the best bet, since we may be able to have
> people in atlanta, either from the schools, or the list (does anyone work
> for a moving company?) move the piano, to save $$$. hey neil.. wanna go
work
> for a moving company? this is a nice piano, so putting it in a pick up
truck
> and hauling it over town (grandma's phrase) would not be the best thing..
> though i can see the streets lined with ig fans, drooling after the thing.
>
> and... one more thing. no one should expect any personal benefit from
this.
> i'm not saying that anyone does, or that hoping or wishing for ig kudos is
a
> bad thing. lord knows.. i'd do a lot just for a smile from the girls.
> however... this is more than that. this could be an opportunity to bring
> attention to the girls, attention to the lack of public funding for music
> education, and definitely a good thing for honor the earth. and we get
warm
> fuzzies.. hell.. i'm getting warm fuzzies just from thinking about it, and
> from the great responses i've gotten from the list.
>
> lisa and ruth.. if you guys have gotten responses.. can you please forward
> them to me? i'll compile a formal list of responses i've received, and
> confirm with everyone. and if this gets underway.. lisa.. yes.. i'll need
> help tracking.
>
> please email me at faeriekid@hotmail.com if you are interested in
pledging,
> or have ideas. nothing is set in stone at this point.
>
> joanne - from colorado.. a state proud to be 49th in the nation for
funding
> public schools.
>
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hey y'all--

<<naw, do you have to pay sales tax on something if you buy it from another
state?>>

    actually, she's right. any of you ever order from daemon (stupid
question, i know...). notice on the order form it says "georgia residents only
" next to the sales tax. if someone from out of state purchases it, no tax
should be required. hmmm...interesting thought. anyone care to check up with
the auction rules on this? (i would, but i'm having trouble with the internet
connection on my computer. sorry.) take it easy.
                                            piper

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hee... i knew this wouldn't be a clean cut discussion - this list can never
agree on anything :o)

<should someone have an extra 6k laying around and doesnt have room in their
park avenue apartment, it would be a slight
waste to donate it to a school music program>
<why dont you see how much is truly committed and then drop off 20%...>

melissa's a smart lass... wise words there.

i guess the only thing i have to add is the following thoughts - remembering
the two months i spend tempning with a fundraising team:

when raising money, you have different targets, and the piano is obviously
aimed at wealthy people in search of a good way to donate money. by clubbing
together perhaps we would be taking away a donation from such a person. and
twm's correct in saying the piano can always be auctioned/sold again or some
other way if it doesn't sell.

if they wanted 50x$50 they'd have perhaps offered, say 50 backstage passes
at $50 each. or signed posters. that would be a smart idea - i wonder if
they've thought of it :o)

adapting an investment lesson i once learnt - ignoring the emotional pull of
it being emily's piano:
if someone gives you $5,000 to spend on school music programs, do you buy
one used piano for $5000 or five newer, cheaper (but still good quality)
pianos for $1,000 each?

at the end of the day you do what you want to do, and hey, if you don't
agree with me, don't waste your time arguing, just put your money where your
mouth is (and if you already have, good on ya) you'll have my respect for
it.

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hey guess what everybody,

y'all are so sweet to think of the piano idea, but the girls don't seem
to give a damn about stuff fans do, so why not just think globally and
act locally.  just think of all the stuff the list has done in the past
in their names, never once being acknowledged in any way.  i know, i
know, we don't do it for the acknowledgement, but after all the selfless
gestures made in their names by this list, i am beginning to think it's
kind of bad sportsmanship on their parts not to at least post a thanks
through a friend or something easy like that.  y'all can flame away, but
i won't be listening.  i still love them, but they are lacking in the
fan relations department.  boy, can you tell i hail from corporate
american or what?

woman of the millennium, speaking her mind
(hi cathy!!)

bonnie

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yea but the newest thing in online shopping is tacking on the sales tax of
the state the buyer lives in.  perhaps someone should look into artistdirect
policies on taxes.

nan

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this is not a flame i repeat this is not a flame

not true!!!  the ladies & russell carter ma have been great in supporting
the ride for chiapas.  they care what people do.  especially at a grassroots
level.  perhaps they don't post a thanks because  the e-mail account they
would post from would be bombarded with letters of "amy marry me", "emily i
love you", and crap.  and the poor friend oy!

i too agree that public relations are a bit lacking, but hey the ladies are
busy and i can certainly understand that.  as much as i would like to keep
in touch with everyone about the ride i have been busier than a one armed
paper hanger up until this week.  i think this idea is great and ya know
what even if we can't buy the piano and give it away how about we send the
money to a school?  my personal choice would be the indigenous school in
oventic, chiapas, mexico.  but hey we live in a democracy and perhaps even
if we don't have enough $$ to buy the piano we could still send all our
contributions to hte since they support so many things or put it up to a
vote or even just individuals send donations.  granted some may be
contributing for the hopes of getting something out of it but 'cmon the idea
is to give without expecting anything in return ever.  and is the thanks of
the charity not good enough?  and can't you just assume that they are glad
we did this?

nan

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hey all....
i think the whole point of the auction is getting lost.  although
supporting music in school is a *very* worthy cause, the auction is all
about supporting hte.   of course you can buy several pianos for the price
of the one on auction.  however, the idea is to donate money to hte (the
piano is just an added bonus, albeit a great one.)  some people may view
donating musical instrumets directly to schools as more important (i sure
as hell don't know which cause is more worthy) but i think we should
remember that this whole thread started over the hte auction.

if nobody bids on the piano than hte misses out big time.  maybe someone
should contact hte and tell them...hey, we don't have enough money yet, but
we're workig on it.  if it happnes that no one bids on em's piano we would
like to offer up as much as we can raise and in return would like the piano
donated to a needy school....  if they don't want to do it, it doesn't
matter, 'cause we can still give them our donation.

flame away,
java

ps
and while i'm at it...the list shouldn't excpect anything in return.  the
girls have given back one thousand fold in their music and actions.

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k....

i am on my way back out the door, but this first. according to my list, i
have a total of $785 pledged, with several others not yet being able to
confirm amounts. woooohoooo!!!! i believe that lisa is also keeping a list,
at warmfuzzypiano@aol.com    . i've asked her to forward this to me. please
email me at faeriekid@hotmail.com to pledge.

i spoke to the auction house today. a credit card is the best way to handle
it. otherwise, we'd need to get the donations, get a cashier's check and
send it to the auction company, then we can place a bid on the piano. i've
had some people offer to help with credit cards.. wow, folks, and with
moving the piano.

as far as tax goes. since i live in colorado, i had no clue what georgia's
sales tax is. thanks for the info. i'm going to have to talk to the auction
about that again.

i'm on my way back to work, i have a paper list right now. i will send an
email tonight to everyone who has pledged, or offered to help. this will
probably get to most of the list in the am.

on the really friggin bright side... can you believe that in one day, we've
had that amount in pledges? we are up to 18 people pledging firm amounts,
including myself, and several others saying... i can donate... i need to
find out how much.

if you are interested in pledging, please send an email to me at
faeriekid@hotmail.com. i'm trying to make sure that i get
a correct list of everyone.

i've already said, if this falls through, i'll be donating anyway, but i
don't think it will fall through if we get the same response we've been
receiving.

joanne - who remembers when she was a lurker.. was that last night???

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> yea but the newest thing in online shopping is tacking on the sales tax of
> the state the buyer lives in.  perhaps someone should look into
artistdirect
> policies on taxes.
>
> nan
>


i'll be checking on this in the morning with my contact there : )

joanne    - who really is off to work now.

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> agree with me, don't waste your time arguing, just put your money where
your
> mouth is (and if you already have, good on ya) you'll have my respect for
it.

well i don't give away musical instruments but i do give away computers
every year . . . does that count? :o)


> if they wanted 50x$50 they'd have perhaps offered, say 50 backstage passes
> at $50 each. or signed posters. that would be a smart idea - i wonder if
> they've thought of it :o)

i'm thinking that this is a great idea too

nan

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in a message dated 1/6/00 6:16:57 pm eastern standard time,
bonster@drizzle.com writes:

<< if your state does have a sales tax, the corporation doing business
does not have a store (outlet, etc.) in your state. >>

yes, that is why buying over the net is so great except at stores located
here.  but if the piano were purchased (in georgia) by someone in maine, i
would think there would be no sales tax.  also, there must be something about
contributing to a charity that nulls out the sales tax.

or is this wishful thinking ? ;)

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it wouldn't hurt  to ask the auctioneer/s to  give
us some extra time to come up with the dough,
and for a little added  persuasion.....it wouldn't hurt if the girls
put in a good word as for what
we are doing...the auctioneers might feel a little
pressure to listen.

afterall the piano does still belong to emily, correct?

peace

barb

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>this is not a flame i repeat this is not a flame
>
>not true!!!  the ladies & russell carter ma have been great in supporting
>the ride for chiapas.  they care what people do.  especially at a
grassroots
>level.  perhaps they don't post a thanks because  the e-mail account they
>would post from would be bombarded with letters of "amy marry me", "emily i
>love you", and crap.  and the poor friend oy!

actually, i know they (or someone *very* close to them) have posted on this
list at least twice (remember the whole apology for some person's behavior
at some suff gig. the person emailed me back and i have to believe it was
one of them  , but im not sure.

besides - amy told me herself a long (many years ago please don't email
daemon love letters to amy!!!) that she read every comment submitted to the
daemon website - this is i think the very first dessign of the site..

and, like - all their friends lurk on here so if anyone says anything
horrible - it gets bubbled to them fast....

<ok, i have no actual proof this is true - but i am pretty sure it is.>

but i know other celebs who post and chat with their fans all the time -
bruce hornsby is one - suzanne vega (sorry, just had a daydream about how
wonderful nff 99 really was!! jilly certo will always remind me of gypsy, or
what ever song i was shooting in the front of the stage for...

oops thought of another thread...

peace
mike r.

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what about instead of giving the piano to a local
school, like one of the ones that cancelled the girls,
give it to a local organization that helps children
after school or something like that.  boys and girls
club for example.  i don't know what kinda
organizations they have in atlanta for kids but i'm
sure that they would benefit from it more than just an
ordinary school b/c if you think about it, being a
high school student, in our music classes the teacher
is the only that ever plays the piano.  but i'm
figuring in an after school program kids would be able
to have lessons and spend ample time on it if they
really enjoy playing.

ok that got long but just another idea.  this is such
a good thing!
tina

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secondly, i agree that it might make more sense to simply raise money to
donate musical instruments to a school or two (such as pianos
or...guitars...or whatever else).
~~~

good good point amy, but i feel the need to express the idea that guitars are
_not_ the best musical donation to make to a school. stick with the piano...
or if you feel forced to diversify, go in the direction of large brass and
woodwinds. these instruments will take more abuse for much longer then
guitars. (in one semester i saw the death of 5 little six strings at the hands
of merciless highschool students)

anyways, highschool music programs are based intrinsically around the piano.

sorry, had to say it.

back to going over my budget to find a donation,
meredith

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alright *breathing a 5 minute sigh of relief* things have changed with the
bike trek.  one of our organizers had a death in the family over the
holidays so i felt it best to reschedule since she was an integral part of
the planning (and my only driver i might add).

the new date is august 11-21.  i wish it could be sooner but school comes
first for me and this is my next break longer than 2 days between terms and
when i will have enough vacation time from work to do it.

it will be hot but i am planning early morning rides and possibly some night
rides to avoid the typical "its 4:30 so lets have a thunderstorm" summer
weather.  no lie folks you can indeed set your watch to it -- unless their
is a drought of course.

additionally, i am planning a couple weekend/one-day ride events here in fla
to boost bond sales.  anyone interested in riding for a day during the
spring let me know via private e-mail.  no dates are set yet since i am
still waiting on the local/state clubs to finalize their racing calendars.

now for news from the front lines.  i just got word from peter brown, the
director of schools for chiapas, that they ran into some trouble south of
the border.  now this is not a surprise to me but for those who are
interested please continue:

re:  caravan for the first of the year school


> -----original message-----
> from: mexicopeace [mailto:schoolsforchiapas@mexicopeace.org]
> sent: thursday, january 06, 2000 1:01 am
> to: armydillo@mindspring.com
>
> we have just been going crazy since the caravan went in
> the caravan was huge (over 90 people) with lots of intense exchange and
> hard learning.  major military mobilization and threats blocked moving in
> children.  now all the foreigners got citations - the same number of
> immigration citations in the first four days of 2000 at oventic as in all
> of 1999 all over chiapas!  we are fighting that in chiapas and mexico
> city...some have just split and are out and fine.  i'll keep you up to
date.
>
> peter

this disturbed me greatly so i am boosting my efforts to get things done
down here.  i won't go into much detail yet as plans have not been finalized
but the bit where the children could not move in yet really pissed me off.
everyone deserves the right to an education.

nan

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come on now social is number 13 on wnku's (the only station worth listening
to in cincinnati) end-of-year top 89 of 1999 countdown.  the list is chosen
in a large part by listener votes, and i think ig would have actually been
higher.  when i voted it told me i could only choose albums from the list
they had and for some reason cons was not on the list.  i asked them about
it and i assume they added it later but they might have lost some votes
since they were left off.

i thought it was pretty cool that ani's 2 albums were right next to each
other at 57 and 58.  it does surprise me that to the teeth is placed higher
though, because in my opinion it is far weaker than up up up up up up.  you
can see the whole list at www.nku.edu/wnku.  there are a lot of artists on
there that have been discussed on this list.

anyway, i did a little research from their old countdowns and found where
some of their other albums placed.
in 1997 shaming was #10.
in 1995 1200 curfews was #79.
in 1994 swamp ophelia was #4.
in 1992 rites of passage was #7.


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would someone please give me the address to subscribe to this list. i have forgotten and don't seem to know where to look
thanks
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any musicians out there in list land that may have played clubs before
please e-mail me privately i need some information, help on where to get
info., etc.

nan

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> what about instead of giving the piano to a local
> school, like one of the ones that cancelled the girls,
> give it to a local organization that helps children
> after school or something like that.  boys and girls
> club for example.

ok... here's the call to atlanta folks. since moving the piano across the
country would cost money that could go to hte... could people please email
me with lists of notably needy schools in the atlanta area, as well as boys
and girls clubs, or other youth organizations? i'll make a list, and we can
take it from there.

thanks!!!

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there was a feature in the newspaper today about cd liner note thank-yous,
and rage against the machine lists "amy ray and emily saliers" among others.
i think it's kind of fitting, coming the most critically respected group
among the "white-male rage rap-rock" genre. everything i've read about the
genre focuses on the blatant misogyny, the lilith fair backlash. i have yet
to see a major publication explore the rage-indigo connection as something
other than a "strange bedfellows" factoid.

in case you wanted to see some of the dumb things other people wrote, the
article follows ...

april
=-=-=-=-=
cd liner-note thank yous run gamut
music: monkeys, mountains, crackers and radio are among those remembered.

january 6, 2000

by jim walsh
knight ridder newspapers

some people loathe saying "thank you." that isn't usually a problem for
musicians writing their cd liner notes.

mom and dad. the lord, god, jesus, the creator, tommy mottola. our families
for their love, patience, support, guidance. our fans, without whom ... and
everyone else we may have forgotten (sorry!).

those are the most oft-thanked thankees in the "thank you" section of any
cd's liner notes. but found sandwiched amid the managers, producers,
cousins, lawyers and lovers, there are some truly strange, funny and telling
sources of inspiration. so during this, the season of the year-end list, we
give to thee some of 1999's most-peculiar "thank yous," unearthed from the
fine print.

thanks to:

"marcy (friend-of-a-lifetime) craig - you've stood by me through so much,
and i'll never forget that. for all the times you've driven me around, i owe
you a car." - christina aguilera, "christina aguilera."

"the monkey who saved the furstenhof." - grant hart, "good news for modern
man."

"john sykes and all at vh1, everyone at wea, mtv, atlantic field promotion
and sales staffs, and everyone in tv, press, radio, and retail who have
contributed to my career."- jewel, "spirit."

"himalayas for being my inspiration." - ricky martin, "ricky martin."

"premium saltine crackers, amy ray and emily saliers, shaq o'neal, kobe &
the lakers." - rage against the machine, "the battle of los angeles."

"winona ryder." - the jon spencer blues explosion, "xtra-acme usa."

"robert redford." - sleater-kinney, "the hot rock."

"vic chesnutt for a kick in the pants when i needed one." - joe henry,
"fuse."

"everyone who has let us sleep on their floor." - the get up kids,
"something to write home about."

"(your name here)" - methodman and redman, "blackout!"

"all the groups we played with (too many to name), and all the groups who
refuse to do shows with us ever again (too many to name)." - the roots,
"come alive."

"radio, we can't live without you. you keep spinning, and we'll keep
singing." - k-ci and jojo, "it's real."

"radio, you're still no. 1." - randy travis, "a man ain't made of stone."

"jeff, johannes & the caribou coffee crew." - billy mcglaughlin, "out of
hand."

"to those who have visited us, fed us, read to us, and taken bullets for
us." - guster, "lost and gone forever."

"to kurt - the best smellin' man i know." - ani difranco, "to the teeth."

"slim's family ... and everyone whom we've imposed upon so far and will
likely do so again in the near future." - the hangdogs, "east of yesterday."

"the force that causes coincidences." - lamb, "fear of fours."

"orlie and maria ... without you looking after my two boys, this record
couldn't have happened. diane copeland ... my lifeline from jail, you were
there everytime i called." - tommy lee (methods of mayhem), "methods of
mayhem."

"bruce willis and demi moore (thanks for all the great dinners) ... leonardo
dicaprio ... o.j. simpson (i want my knife back)." - blink 182, "enema of
the state."

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hi there,
i feel really bad, but i'm not really going to be able to donate much, if any,
money.  i'm a full time college student who is unemployed and no longer getting
any help from the parents.  i have about $2.65 to my name right now (actually
it's negative something because i'm still in debt from the ig concert i went
to...) and been living pretty much on raman noodles for awhile....  i would,
though, be glad to do anything i possibly can to help with the issue besides
donating money, cause i just can't....sorry i can't help any more, i would if i
could.  i may be able to send a few dollars and i'll ask people i know if they
would spare a little for this cause.  but anything else i can do, let me know,
and i apologize for not being able to donate more.

sharon

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i think maybe emily (if that's possible) should be the one to decide where the
piano should go to....then we know for sure that the list is doing something
that emily would really appreciate.

> ok... here's the call to atlanta folks. since moving the piano across the
> country would cost money that could go to hte... could people please email
> me with lists of notably needy schools in the atlanta area, as well as boys
> and girls clubs, or other youth organizations? i'll make a list, and we can
> take it from there.
>
> thanks!!!
>
> joanne
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ooops, that message i sent about piano donations and how poor i am
wasn't supposed to go to the whole list...it was supposed to be just for
the person who was collecting donations.
i'm a bit embarrassed now....

sharon

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> hi there,
> i feel really bad, but i'm not really going to be able to donate much, if
any,
> money.

something that keeps coming across.. people breaking themselves for this. i
really don't want anyone to go broke donating. so..... as much as i want
this to happen... i have to make the following rules.

rule #1: do not hurt yourself to make a charity donation.

rule #2: do not feel bad because you can't right now.  there will always be
chances to donate money. take care of you right now, and don't feel bad or
stress out.

rule #3 large donations are not necessary. quantity.. folks.. we have a lot
of people on the list. some can donate more than others. this is not a
competition.

donations are not a required part of being on the list, and they never will
be. when i didn't have the cash to do stuff, and i wasn't working 3 jobs
(can you say cbarc???) after my parents kicked me out... i felt horrible for
the stuff i couldn't do, too. don't beat yourself up over it. and when you
get out of school... get a career.. pay off those loans.. you'll kick some
serious do-gooder stuff yourself. to get the warm fuzzies.. email me for a
cyber hug, or if you're in denver anytime, i'll make you dinner and cookies.
to get other warm fuzzies.. put your muscles to work for habitat, or anyone
of the groups that needs bodies, not just money : )

please be well, all

joanne

"you wanted a show of strength, darling, and i won't let you down."
william topley

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hi everyone! i love this whole piano idea... so whoever is keeping track of
these things, put me on the list :) it be so fucking cool if we could pull
this off!

oh and i was poking around the lilith fair website a little while ago and
found some really nice photos of the girls from the last lilith
tour..supposedly there is some video footage there too but i couldn't get my
computer to show the video.

and now for a little obligatory bk spam :)

everyone on the east coast go see barbara!! also, i've got a fledgling bk
discussion list for anyone who wants to chat about my goddess barbara :) :)
www.onelist.com/community/barbarakessler

:) lisa

message from barbara:
hi everyone - welcome all you new signees! happy new year! this is a very
quick note to tell you of some upcoming shows. i'm on my way down to sound
station 7 (this studio in a cool old firehouse in providence, ri) to finish
the record. so forgive my rush, if you will...

january 9th - panzer house concerts, columbia, md. 410-531-9233 or
spanzers@cs.com. split with john flynn.

january 15th - fox run house concerts, sudbury, ma. 978-443-3253 or
lalcorn@ultranet.com. split with daryl purpose.

january 22nd - outta sights & sounds, hightstown, nj. 609-259-5764 or
powzie@home.com. this is a respond benefit featuring me, colleen sexton and
others...?

january 29th - mother's wine emporium, rensselaer polytechnic institute,
troy, ny. 518-276-8585.

february 25th - dan4th friday series, danforth museum, framingham, ma. check
back for details at www.musi-cal.com or www.barbarakessler.com.

thanks, and i do hope to catch up with you soon! i miss playing! recording is
a blast but it can get lonely in that iso-booth...

peace
bk

ps. "respond," the wonderful benefit double-cd featuring me and many of my
boston area women writer/singer peers was just named the number one album of
the year by billboard's editor-in-chief, timothy white. check it out at
www.billboard.com (or in billboard magazine). contact me if you'd like to
order a copy. $15 for a double cd including jennifer kimball, catie curtis,
jenn trynin, mary lou lord,  lori mckenna, colleen sexton, jess klein,
melissa ferrick and tons more... the money goes to a great cause. thanks.

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i'll  second your  suggestion.....all in favor of emily deciding where
the piano should go
say "i."     "i'   "i" "i'  lol  (anyone else?)

peace

barb

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 22:27:36 -0800
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hi everyone!!

so far... we have gotten 45 responses, with 39 people giving estimates. and
everytime i check my email, there's another one. if you'd like to pledge,
please email me at faeriekid@hotmail.com, and i'll be happy to add you to
the list..

oh... the total so far?? a mere $1826.00!!!!!!!!!!!! oh my friggin
unbelievable sweet heaven.

i sent out a list to everyone who has pledged to myself or to lisa tonight.
if you did not get the email, please email me, and i'll add you to the list.
if you emailed me after 10:00pm mountain time, you'll be on the list
tomorrow.

i'll be calling the auction company, and trying to contact russell carter
and hte tomorrow. i'll keep everyone posted.

great job, everyone.. last night.. i was just sleepy rambling, but this is
damned exciting. to be able to help honor the earth, and kids, with music,
and it be ig related.... weeeeeeeeeee!!!!

joanne- who promises to go back into lurkdom after this is over

"you wanted a show of strength darling, and i won't let you down"
william topley

www.geocities.com/soho/bistro/6391

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date:         thu, 6 jan 2000 21:32:26 -0800
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has anyone thought to ask the girls (through russell carter's office) where
they might like to see the piano sent? they, or someone on their grapevine,
might have a better idea, as far as someplace meaningful.

april

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barb wrote:
<<< i'll  second your  suggestion.....all in favor of emily deciding
where
the piano should go say "i."     "i'   "i" "i'  lol  (anyone else?) >>>

i concur -- who better than emily to decide on where the piano goes
(personally, i think it should go into the rock-n-roll hall of fame!)

i was surprised when the opening bid was lowered.  being a self-described
savy ebay bidder, i always wait until the last minute to bid on an item.
why up your own bid?  am i alone on this, or do you think we'll have some
competition?

jeanne (who's feelin' good about being in such great company)

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(drag....drag....drag.... damn this soap box is heavy when the preacher =
is on cold meds)

ok, as to the idea that the girls dont acknowledge what we do....oh my =
where to start...i must say this. where does it say, in the "how to be =
an ig fan" handbook, that the girls have to do anything for us other =
than inspire us, thrill us and create beautiful music for us to listen =
to? we are fans, what we do at their inspiration we do from our hearts =
and by touching us in such a way they have acknowledged us. otherwise =
they would stay at home instead of touring 8 months out of the year, and =
play music for all the neighborhood dogs and cats.  and not spend 4 or 5 =
months in the studio every year or two creating an album of music for us =
to listen to. these women dont do this for the money, they dont do it =
for fame they do it all for us the fans and what we get from it is more =
precious than any kind of recognition or personal thank you.  granted i =
admit meeting amy would be a dream come true for me but only because i =
want the chance to personally say (nancy dont you dare giggle i aint =
askin the other question...well maybe but you know i will try not to) =
thank you  to a woman who has inspired me to be more than just a =
waitress/secretary/telephone operator, and to reach out to help others =
in need instead of sittin on my butt not doing a damn thing for anyone =
else besides myself.  i think this idea is wonderful, yes we could =
probably buy more than one piano, but come on guys this is one of the =
rare chances that you get in life to do something big. lets do it. it is =
not for the recognition, it is for the global good. so send in your =
pledges and ideas of how to get this going to jo anne and lets make this =
dream come true....

(climbing down off the soap box and hunting desperately for her vicks =
salve)
pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa=20
beccie lyon

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try not=20
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<div><font color=3d#000000 size=3d2>(climbing down off the soap box and =
hunting=20
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<div><font color=3d#000000 size=3d2>pacem in terris, mir, shanti, =
salaam, hey wa=20
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date:         fri, 7 jan 2000 00:50:07 est
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just to clarify, due to legal schmegal stuff (i'm not 18) joanne is now
handling all the funds and artist interactions.  however, if you know of
someplace to post this info that might generate a response send it to me, and
keep the pledges rolling into joanne (faeriekid@hotmail.com), we hope to hit
$2000 soon!!

peace, love, and this lovely piano,
lisa :o)

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ok, i thought of something when we get the list of all of the =
contributors together i the evil background chick will make another of =
her infamous backgrounds and offer it only to the people who contribute =
to the buy em's piano fund.....trust me if you have not seen what i do =
with ig pics for pc backgrounds it is well worth it as an added bonus to =
the warm fuzzy you will get from doing this....so, keep that in mind and =
i will only be giving this background out to people who =
contribute....just something special for all of you.......big =
kisses.....

(uh oh i think the cold meds are getting to me......can you get addicted =
to comtrex flu therapy?)

pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa=20
beccie lyon

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contribute to the buy em's piano fund.....trust me if you have not seen =
what i=20
do with ig pics for pc backgrounds it is well worth it as an added bonus =
to the=20
warm fuzzy you will get from doing this....so, keep that in mind and i =
will only=20
be giving this background out to people who contribute....just something =
special=20
for all of you.......big kisses.....</font></div>
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me......can you=20
get addicted to comtrex flu therapy?)</font></div>
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<div><font color=3d#000000 size=3d2>pacem in terris, mir, shanti, =
salaam, hey wa=20
<br>beccie lyon</font></div>
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date:         fri, 7 jan 2000 01:26:48 est
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heehee :) carrie gave me an idea.... these are the shows that i attended that
i'd love boots of if they exist or if anyone wants to trade....

4/22/94 durham nh (earth day - so practice tour)
8/29/94 mesa az (swamp ophelia),
5/25/95 phoenix az (hte),
8/12/96 hampton nh (demo tour),
7/17/97 & 7/18/97 red rocks co (sots),
and 8/28/99 denver co (lilith fair)

anyone?
:) lisa
<a href="http://members.aol.com/lisa071573/index.htm">lisa's music and other
stuff</a>

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ok, i admit it i was searching for new amy pics, and found this site it =
is the answer to the what have the girls done for us question....this =
page answers it all.....

http://global.webwombat.com.au/go?http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~jfs96/ighelp=
s.html

(i know i know i need to go to bed and get better )
pacem in terris, mir, shanti, salaam, hey wa=20
beccie lyon

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question....this page answers it all.....</font></div>
<div><font size=3d2></font> </div>
<div><font color=3d#000000 size=3d2><a=20
href=3d"http://global.webwombat.com.au/go?http://hamp.hampshire.edu/~jfs9=
6/ighelps.html">http://global.webwombat.com.au/go?http://hamp.hampshire.e=
du/~jfs96/ighelps.html</a></font></div>
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and get=20
better )</font></div>
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salaam, hey wa=20
<br>beccie lyon</font></div>
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  i just mentioned this to someone else, but hey!
i fwe are able to come together to help this cause, what about heping
other causes?!  i think donating to other things like research for
childrens cancer or other diseases, or stuff like that would be
awesome...i know that any thought that would help my brother in his
battle with lukemia brightens his day...just a little thought don't know
quite where i am going with this,,,i think just rambling cause i'm
tired...
peace and love,
        carrie

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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hey y'all!

happy 2000!  :-)

ok, so yesterday i read this post about a possible ig show in chicago on the 26th!  does anyone have any more information?!??!?!  pleeease let this be true!  i was in japan all fall, therefore i was deprived of the entire cons fall tour!  :-)  i go to school in ohio, but i would happily drive into chicago for a visit to my mom (i am a chicagoan) and a chance to see ig.  where did you hear about this show??  i know it is right before the big australia tour (which would rock.  get me back to sydney.  hehehe!), so i am wondering if this is confirmed or just a rumor. . .

secondly, who else is pissed that cons was not nominated for a grammy?  (grumble grumble)

:-) karen (still suffering from jetlag. . .)


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i read about the new york and chicago ig concert dates in february in a
post here yesterday and i checked pollstar and the dates are there with no
other info.

the chicago show is the one i can go to, and it is feb. 26 at the
university of chicago. i did some checking today and after talking to an
incredibly rude person was connected with a more helpful person at the
university of chicago (reynolds theatre, i think it was) who told me the
date was the only thing she knew for sure and they wouldn't have more info
until later. she told me to call back next week and check again. i'm hoping
they'll have ticket information by then, since it's coming up pretty
quickly.

i saw them in st. louis in december and am really excited at the prospect
of seeing them as an acoustic duo. chicago would be a 4 hour drive, but the
date is a saturday and if i can get the tickets i can't see passing it up!

if anyone else has managed to score more information on the chicago show,
please do pass it along, and i'll do the same if i find anything i don't
see posted here.

a great weekend to all!
michelle

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> subject: ig shows and other stuff. . .
> date: friday, january 07, 2000 12:46 am
>
> hey y'all!
>
> happy 2000!  :-)
>
> ok, so yesterday i read this post about a possible ig show in chicago on
the 26th!  does anyone have any more information?!??!?!  pleeease let this
be true!  i was in japan all fall, therefore i was deprived of the entire
cons fall tour!  :-)  i go to school in ohio, but i would happily drive
into chicago for a visit to my mom (i am a chicagoan) and a chance to see
ig.  where did you hear about this show??  i know it is right before the
big australia tour (which would rock.  get me back to sydney.  hehehe!), so
i am wondering if this is confirmed or just a rumor. . .
>
> secondly, who else is pissed that cons was not nominated for a grammy?
(grumble grumble)
>
> :-) karen (still suffering from jetlag. . .)
>
>
> ---
> "i'm just trying to put the atom back together."
>    -- dar williams
> "...i'll be at the rainbow room, i'll be courting some disaster with the
melbourne wrecking crew."
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> http://userpages.wittenberg.edu/s00.krosenblum
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> prochoicer@gurlmail.com
>
>
>
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> secondly, who else is pissed that cons was not nominated for a grammy?  (grumble grumble)

        okay. i was... but then i pulled up the grammy site to see who had
been nominated. first category is record of the year. here's what i saw:

        "i want it that way" (backstreet boys)
        "believe" (cher)
        "livin' la vida loca" (ricky martin)
        "smooth" (santana w/ rob thomas)
        "no scrubs" (tlc)

        and that's when i realized that the grammy committee hadall the
discriminating musical taste of a box of hair, and that what they were
really paying attention to was money. yes, it's frustrating that what
should be an award for merit is an award for profit, but given that it is
what it is, i'm just as glad not to see ig on that list.
        mandy

        sometimes i ask to sneak a closer look
        skip to the final chapter of the book
        and then maybe steer us clear from some of the pain it took
        to get us where we are this far yeah
        but the question drowns in its futility
        and even i have got to laugh at me
        no one gets to miss the storm of what will be
        just holding on for the ride

                   *emily saliers*

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good morning kind friends :)

i was wondering if anybody knows when/where the tickets for the ig show in
canton will go on sale.  can anyone provide a phone number for the college?
i need to take my gf to see them...she is hooked on ig now.   which we all
know is good :)

thanks
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date:         fri, 7 jan 2000 14:14:53 +0200
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hello there!

i just wanted to thank everyone on the list for being so darn nice and
keeping us - the ones out here on the 'moon', with no indigo girls access,
posted with everything new and interesting, esp the concert reviews!!!
i specifically would like to thank lisa ridlon for sending me my firt boot
ever, woooohoooo. thank you so much you have no idea what it means to me:)

i love you all

can you see me glowing?;)

kate

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<<secondly, who else is pissed that cons was not nominated for a grammy?>>

don't quote me, but i'm pretty sure the cut off point for grammy nominations
is the beginning of september and so cons isn't eligable this year.

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ok here is the deal people..i need y'all to help with info as much as
you can..phone numbers, etc...my friend from england may be planning her
trip around these two shows so i need to make sure i am on the ball and
get tickets...
woohoo!!!!!! i am so excited!!!!!!!!!
peace and love,
      carrie
p.s. and an early thanks to everyone for their help....

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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ok gang.

boy.. did i wake up to a surprise this morning.

we have had 60 people respond. 54 people have given amounts. our total is
$2606.00!!!!!!!! that's up from $1826 last night! you people kick ass!!!

whoohooo!!!! this is amazing. if you want to pledge, and i hope you do,
please email me at faeriekid@hotmail.com. something to take into
consideration is that the auction closes on the 14th. i'll talk to the
auction agency today, to see if there is any chance it will be extended, or
what we might be able to do if the piano doesn't sell.

i'll be calling the suggested peoples and contacts today, and will let
everyone know what i've learned. i'm going with the thought that we see if
emily wants to choose where the piano goes. if she doesn't, or isn't
available right now, then we have a short list of places where it might go.

many thanks to all!!

joanne- who has very tired fingers right now.
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details i forgot in the last mail:

a couple of people have asked where the artwork is for the most recent
boots. well, it's here:

http://go.to/neilytones

the neilytone/purple chick artwork has been upgraded (some was accidently
the compressed version, so consequently wasn't as good quality as it should
have been) and in some cases, rescanned and redone. you may want to re-print
it if you're a wannabe-perfectionist like me.

i've also taken off the cdrlabel templates as i feel the current art is
sufficient. it'll be harder for people to remove the new warning bit too. i
haven't felt it necessary to splash never for sale in big letters over the
front cover art yet though. any comments on this would be welcom

all very exciting, i'm sure.

there are some dream projects lurking in the back of my mind for the
continuing mission to spread quality ig music for free. if you have any of
the following things i would love to hear from you - i can guarantee
complete annonymity and whatever other terms you may require (a charitable
donation per disc, for example...)

known, but uncirculated material:
emily's solo tape 'here for you'
indigo girls live at the great american music hall '92(promo cassette)
studio outtakes, demos, rare stuff, quality live shows (anything previously
uncirculating really).

worth a try, no?

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what can i tell you, bonnie is right.  the girls are wonderful human
beings -- we all know that, but they stink when it comes to acknowledging
their fans.  you can flame me too, but take it from one who has been there.
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(hi bonnie!)

and personnally, if i had the money, i'd buy em's piano for myself, because
i used to play and i'll regret giving it up probably for the rest of my life.

have a great weekend
cathy

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when you buy something over the internet or by phone mail-order, you *are*
supposed to pay sales tax to the state in which you live.  it is not a law
that is consistently or strongly enforced, btw, but it is the law.

g.

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i'll step out of semi-permanent lurkdom for this one. i'm sorry, but you are
wrong.

"thanks y'all!"

how many artists tour from night to night like they do and thank the
audience after each song, or for listening to new material or dancing? those
of you who want more want too much. if a fan gives the girls something, they
say a heartfelt "thank you". they're from the south, for godsakes!!

as far as acknowledging "all the gestures made in their name by this list",
they do acknowledge the things they hear about. say the list gives a
donation to a cause in their name. if someone from that organization has the
time and ability to pass the word along to the girls directly, then they
know about it and think it is wonderful. if the girls get a gift directly to
pass on to a good cause, they'll be grateful and even touched by the
gesture. however, many times the word never gets to them.

i don't mean this as a flame, but most of you may have no idea how much mail
they get. snail mail at the office, at their homes, at daemon. e-mails,
faxes. then, there is the personally-delivered items. many times, the girls
can't hold all the "stuff" that people hand or pass them as they try to just
relax and be themselves at a club or social gathering. and then there's all
the things passed to them backstage before and after a show.

it is just not realistic or practical to expect them to write a personal
thank you to every fan or group who gives them something. if they did that,
there would be no tour, no cd, nothing!

i'll be the first to agree that russell hasn't always done the best job of
handling fan club-type issues, but please don't ever think that the girls
"don't give a damn" about their fans or what they do because of some
inspiration their music may have been.

take care
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hi, just got off the phone with student activities at u of st. lawrence
here's what she said in reference to the upcoming feb 19th date.
first she was confused as to how i already knew since they haven't even
started to advertise yet................. good job list!!!!!!

anyway..............  she will be selling to students first when they get
back from break then she is shooting for general public sale on the 31st of
january.

tickets will be general admit and will be $17.00. they will be sold,
according to her, through the university only, not ticketmaster.

that's all i have hope this helps

michelle

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hi, just got off the phone again with the university.............. because
they do not deal with ticket companies the only way you will be able to
purchase tickets is by going to the university or one of their satellite
campuses ( potsdam).

she said you cannot order them by phone but you will be able to purchase them
the day of the show, she did say however, you should call the day of the show
to make sure they have tix available.

it would be a real drag to drive 7 hours and not get in ............

anyone live near canton on the list??????

take care
michelle ( who's using chris's addy)

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neil wrote: <<don't quote me, but i'm pretty sure the cut off point for grammy nominations
is the beginning of september and so cons isn't eligable this year.>>>

hate to quote ya neil but.......i was thinking the same thing...but then i saw that melissa etheridge breakdown was nominated and umm her cd came out after cons!!!!!   now that pisses me off!!!  cons is much better than breakdown.  well i hope me fans won't flame me but that is mho!!!!   personally i think the grammys are way to commercial now.  so hence the me nomination!!!   :-)   hope i don't get too flamed!!!

peace and indigo!!!!!!
sandy

send hate mail to my mgsb@aol.com account.  i don't need hate mail at work!!!!  :-)

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so who's planning on going to the millenium march on washington this
april? i'd like to go, but i'm not going by myself (yes, i'm a big old
chicken), so if anyone else is going and wants to travel together, that
would be awesome! please email me if you're planning on going...

aswenson@sgi.com

love,
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hkf's,

just updated my site with that info plus some links to both universities in
case over the weekend, while i'm away from my 'puter, you see some onsale
info pop up.

anyway, not too much new, but a huge thanks goes out to michelle!!!  today,
friday, 1/7/00, michelle is the honorary "indigo tour goddess".  8-)

not to mention sherlyn koo was "honorary tour goddess" for all of last week
and wednesday of this week!!!  8-)

a+e=ig
(the toaster prizes will be sent out at the end of the tour of course;)

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garian wrote:
> when you buy something over the internet or by phone mail-order, you
>*are* supposed to pay sales tax to the state in which you live.  it is
>not a law that is consistently or strongly enforced, btw, but it is the
>law.

unfortnately, i cannot afford to donate to this right now (i really wish
i could), but i may be able to help out anyway... if they are going to
enforce this law, i could do the buying/paying, as long as we were going
to do it by cashiers check, since i don't have that kind of a credit
limit.

shannon
-a resident of oregon, that wierd state with no sales tax, and where
it's illegal to pump your own gas...

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actually being a fan of rage and the girls, there are some similarities ....
they both are very active in groups preserving the earth, both are very into
native americans issues, as well as i guesss what you would call unjustices
toward humanity..... its very cool to see to polar ends connect on so much
of the same .....


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date: thu, 6 jan 2000 22:53:40 -0500

there was a feature in the newspaper today about cd liner note thank-yous,
and rage against the machine lists "amy ray and emily saliers" among others.
i think it's kind of fitting, coming the most critically respected group
among the "white-male rage rap-rock" genre. everything i've read about the
genre focuses on the blatant misogyny, the lilith fair backlash. i have yet
to see a major publication explore the rage-indigo connection as something
other than a "strange bedfellows" factoid.

in case you wanted to see some of the dumb things other people wrote, the
article follows ...

april
=-=-=-=-=
cd liner-note thank yous run gamut
music: monkeys, mountains, crackers and radio are among those remembered.

january 6, 2000

by jim walsh
knight ridder newspapers

some people loathe saying "thank you." that isn't usually a problem for
musicians writing their cd liner notes.

mom and dad. the lord, god, jesus, the creator, tommy mottola. our families
for their love, patience, support, guidance. our fans, without whom ... and
everyone else we may have forgotten (sorry!).

those are the most oft-thanked thankees in the "thank you" section of any
cd's liner notes. but found sandwiched amid the managers, producers,
cousins, lawyers and lovers, there are some truly strange, funny and telling
sources of inspiration. so during this, the season of the year-end list, we
give to thee some of 1999's most-peculiar "thank yous," unearthed from the
fine print.

thanks to:

"marcy (friend-of-a-lifetime) craig - you've stood by me through so much,
and i'll never forget that. for all the times you've driven me around, i owe
you a car." - christina aguilera, "christina aguilera."

"the monkey who saved the furstenhof." - grant hart, "good news for modern
man."

"john sykes and all at vh1, everyone at wea, mtv, atlantic field promotion
and sales staffs, and everyone in tv, press, radio, and retail who have
contributed to my career."- jewel, "spirit."

"himalayas for being my inspiration." - ricky martin, "ricky martin."

"premium saltine crackers, amy ray and emily saliers, shaq o'neal, kobe &
the lakers." - rage against the machine, "the battle of los angeles."

"winona ryder." - the jon spencer blues explosion, "xtra-acme usa."

"robert redford." - sleater-kinney, "the hot rock."

"vic chesnutt for a kick in the pants when i needed one." - joe henry,
"fuse."

"everyone who has let us sleep on their floor." - the get up kids,
"something to write home about."

"(your name here)" - methodman and redman, "blackout!"

"all the groups we played with (too many to name), and all the groups who
refuse to do shows with us ever again (too many to name)." - the roots,
"come alive."

"radio, we can't live without you. you keep spinning, and we'll keep
singing." - k-ci and jojo, "it's real."

"radio, you're still no. 1." - randy travis, "a man ain't made of stone."

"jeff, johannes & the caribou coffee crew." - billy mcglaughlin, "out of
hand."

"to those who have visited us, fed us, read to us, and taken bullets for
us." - guster, "lost and gone forever."

"to kurt - the best smellin' man i know." - ani difranco, "to the teeth."

"slim's family ... and everyone whom we've imposed upon so far and will
likely do so again in the near future." - the hangdogs, "east of yesterday."

"the force that causes coincidences." - lamb, "fear of fours."

"orlie and maria ... without you looking after my two boys, this record
couldn't have happened. diane copeland ... my lifeline from jail, you were
there everytime i called." - tommy lee (methods of mayhem), "methods of
mayhem."

"bruce willis and demi moore (thanks for all the great dinners) ... leonardo
dicaprio ... o.j. simpson (i want my knife back)." - blink 182, "enema of
the state."

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date:         fri, 7 jan 2000 14:39:07 -0500
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subject:      re: emily's piano - bonnie's post
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i'm not quite flaming here... i'm more like smoldering a little... i
really don't think it's the girls' job to acknowledge their fans, or us,
or whoever.  i think that we have the potential to do something really
cool here with the piano, but i really don't think that they owe us
anything.  that's not their job.
oh!  cathy, if you regret giving up the piano, start playing again!!  i
play and i love it!! :)  carpe diem and all that dead poets' stuff!
smiles!
ruth


catherine spinale wrote:
>
> what can i tell you, bonnie is right.  the girls are wonderful human
> beings -- we all know that, but they stink when it comes to acknowledging
> their fans.  you can flame me too, but take it from one who has been there.
>
> (hi bonnie!)
>
> and personnally, if i had the money, i'd buy em's piano for myself, because
> i used to play and i'll regret giving it up probably for the rest of my life.
>
> have a great weekend
> cathy
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i agree 100%.  i think the girls appreciate every wonderful gesture that
comes their way, but there is so much!  it's unrealistic to expect for them
to thank every single fan for every single note, letter, gift that comes
their way. (add to this the fact that "i love you" letters and personal
statements have taught them to constantly keep on guard in social situations
and to be wary of fans).  the already do so much for us (the music, tours
and educating us on important social issues, inspiring us to educate
ourselves even more).  when i send them something or pass them a note, i
really don't expect anything in return.

i'm also really horrified to hear that so many people have written and
emailed them their "i love you"'s. (okay you might think one of them is
really cute, but they honestly don't want to know this, trust me.) to daemon
no less!  this gives me a headache.  don't email your "i love you, amy"
letters to daemon! (if possible, do not contact them with this information
at all.) that's why it takes them so long to respond to my legitimate
questions!

i'm not trying to flame anybody.  just a few personal opinions.
julie :)

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on fri, 7 jan 2000 11:44:17 -0500, dana maxim wrote:

>  i don't mean this as a flame, but most of you may have no idea how much
mail
>  they get. snail mail at the office, at their homes, at daemon. e-mails,
>  faxes. then, there is the personally-delivered items. many times, the
girls
>  can't hold all the "stuff" that people hand or pass them as they try to
just
>  relax and be themselves at a club or social gathering. and then there's
all
>  the things passed to them backstage before and after a show.
>
>  it is just not realistic or practical to expect them to write a personal
>  thank you to every fan or group who gives them something. if they did
that,
>  there would be no tour, no cd, nothing!
>
>  i'll be the first to agree that russell hasn't always done the best job
of
>  handling fan club-type issues, but please don't ever think that the girls
>  "don't give a damn" about their fans or what they do because of some
>  inspiration their music may have been.
>
>  take care

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i found this auction on ebay.  do any of you know if this is this legit?
i've never seen anything like this available before.  apparently there are 2
volumes...here is the auction for vol. 1.

"live on the tv"

vol 1

a beautiful collection of indigo girls live preformances. on compact disc.

i found this unique cd set on a recent shopping trip to the s.f. bay area.
these tracks are from ig's apperances on the tv. their is a volume #1 and a
volume #2 available. check my other auctions for the other cd. below is the
track listing of this euro-import.

1. closer to fine 6:18 *

2. land of cannan 4:22 +

3. strange fire 5:01 #

4. prince of darkness 5:13 #

5. world falls 3:40 ~

6. hammer and a nail 4:27 +

7. world falls 4:12 +

8. watershed 6:46 ^

9. 1,2,3 4:43 +

10. where does this song go 2:35

(unknown)

*national tv debut letterman

+letterman show

^jay leno

#night music

~new vision

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at first i thought that this info was innacurate but it can be easily
checked online.  i did just a second ago and sandy is right!  breakdown was
released after cons.  (cons=09/28/1999, breakdown=10/05/1999).  this is so
wrong. i can't believe it wasn't even nominated.  i think it's one of their
best cds ever. (if you don't agree don't flame me or email me to voice your
disagreement, i am aware that nobody except probably me and ig themselves
think this.) but somebody posted a list of nominnes for best album just a
few hours ago and backstreet boys were on there!  i think i would get really
upset if i saw ig sharing a list with the likes of backstreet boys.  let's
just all admit that the mainstream music industry sucks and that the grammys
cater to that sucky industry.  i can see the dollar signs in the nomination
comittee's eyes.

off my soapbox (for now, heh heh),
julie ;-)

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>  hate to quote ya neil but.......i was thinking the same thing...but then
i saw that melissa etheridge breakdown was nominated and umm her cd came out
after cons!!!!!   now that pisses me off!!!  cons is much better than
breakdown.  well i hope me fans won't flame me but that is mho!!!!
personally i think the grammys are way to commercial now.  so hence the me
nomination!!!   :-)   hope i don't get too flamed!!!
>
>  peace and indigo!!!!!!
>  sandy

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hello, all :)

this is just a quick note to say that i have recieved $2901.00 in pledges as
of this afternoon. i'll send out a list and another update tonight. that is
an amazing amount, guys, girls... everyone!!!!

i spoke to russell carter's agency, as suggested. the woman there was very
nice, however, she told me that emily doesn't really have a special school
in the atlanta area, and that she probably would not be interested in
choosing the school. she then suggested i call atlanta public schools, and
see who could use a piano. that's where we are on that. i will work on that
next week, assuming all goes well, and it looks like we'll get the needed
pledges.

right now, i want to hold on any decisions until after the weekend. i will
record pledges over that time, and we'll make a decision then. we are right
at the halfway point to raising the money needed. that's after just 48
hours! on monday, if it seems like we are going to pull it off (because the
auction ends on the 14th), i'll call the auction house and contact the loves
who have offered to let us use their credit cards, and take it from there.
at the same time, i'll talk to the people who have offered help with moving
the piano. right now, focusing on the donations is the priority.

if donations don't reach the needed amount, that's not a biggie. we can
organize a central location to send the donations to, and send them to honor
the earth, if the pledging parties are still interested in donating. i
realize that we are trying to organize a large amount of money in a short
amount of time.

thanks everyone who has helped, and offered to help. $2901!!!!! i'm knocked
flat on my booty with that figure, everyone.

back to work for me. please look for an update tonight,

joanne

"can everyone agree that no one should be left alone?"
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{{i found this auction on ebay.  do any of you know if
this is this legit?}}

no, it's not.

{{i've never seen anything like this available
before.}}

well, it's not on neil's bootleg info pages, so it's
probably a new one.

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the real reason they are asociated is that they are on the same label and
have the same publicists.

date:    fri, 7 jan 2000 11:11:15 pst
from:    jessica krebs <bluekangaroo@hotmail.com>
subject: re: rage thanks amy and emily

actually being a fan of rage and the girls, there are some similarities ....
they both are very active in groups preserving the earth, both are very into
native americans issues, as well as i guesss what you would call unjustices
toward humanity..... its very cool to see to polar ends connect on so much
of the same .....


from: april haitsuka <grimmy7@earthlink.net>
reply-to: april haitsuka <grimmy7@earthlink.net>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: rage thanks amy and emily
date: thu, 6 jan 2000 22:53:40 -0500

there was a feature in the newspaper today about cd liner note thank-yous,
and rage against the machine lists "amy ray and emily saliers" among others.
i think it's kind of fitting, coming the most critically respected group
among the "white-male rage rap-rock" genre. everything i've read about the
genre focuses on the blatant misogyny, the lilith fair backlash. i have yet
to see a major publication explore the rage-indigo connection as something
other than a "strange bedfellows" factoid.

in case you wanted to see some of the dumb things other people wrote, the
article follows ...

april


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(415) 665-6637

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okay, this is a long shot but, hey, that's the stuff dreams are made of,
right? ...  see below ...

>from: faerie girl <faeriekid@hotmail.com>
>this is just a quick note to say that i have recieved $2901.00 in pledges
>as
>of this afternoon. right now, i want to hold on any decisions until after
>the weekend. we are right
>at the halfway point to raising the money needed.

what about finding a company/university/*very rich person* to match our
donation/pledge (whatever the total may end up being) ???
i know, how the heck would we do that?  i have no idea.  i could leave that
up to the more clever folks on this list.  just an idea that flew in one
ear, swirled around in my brain, and is now on this screen.
awww, it would be nice...

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kate wrote:
<< i specifically would like to thank lisa ridlon for sending me my firt boot
ever, woooohoooo. thank you so much you have no idea what it means to me:) >>

you're welcome kate :) :) :) hope you enjoy it!
lisa

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hey there. one of my friends is swearing up and down that eric clapton
once did a cover of romeo & juliet. anyone know about this? she's
definately not thinking of the dire straits version (the original)...

please pass along any info if you have it!

thanks!
amy
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there was a list video compliation done quite professionally a few years
back - maybe those are the source - but that stuff was all widely available.

(geez, i remember being late to school and seeing them on the today show,
i'm talking maybe freshman year of high school..they seemed scared but i
remember it as really good)

what a difference a deacde makes..
mike r.,

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me is nominated in the same catagory as the boss, hate to say it folks but
like, i think springteen isn't sweating - mle had a lot going for her say,
before yia, but i dunno - i think sting was in the same catagory, so while
the police and springsteen were making, arguably the best music in the past
30 years - melissa was in kansas in high school

ani got two nominations! (utah phillips got one)


and sarah m and tori got a bunch - so the ig didn't get nominated, still
doesn't change how wonderful their music is.

mike r.

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this was posted to the dent - the largest tori amos website. mikewhy, the guy
who runs the dent is a wonderful person who uses his semi-celebrity as the
webmaster for the giant tori site to help promote issues dear to tori and her
fan community. please read and send your support on to vermont!!
:) lisa

message from the dent:
"if there are any homophobics in the audience you fucking come to the wrong
show baby..."
tori said the above quote during her concert in concord, ca on september 19,
1999. tori has always been very vocal in her support of the gay community.
tori was one of the "25 coolest women to gay and lesbian people" in the
november 23, 1999 issue of the advocate. it is with that backdrop that i post
the following request for help from toriphile nick schall, who has been
following recent events in the state of vermont. the supreme court of vermont
recently ruled that committed homosexual relationships should have the same
rights and privileges afforded to married straight couples. there are over
1,000 rights that come with marriage which are currently denied to gay
couples including hospital visitation/medical decisions, rights of
survivorship, filing joint tax returns, etc. this is a very important first
step towards equality in america. however, the governor's office of vermont
has been bombarded with phone calls by anti-gay individuals opposing the
recent decision-primarily fueled by the "doctor laura" radio program. if you
agree that gay couples should have the same rights and privileges as straight
couples, please contact the gov's office and register your support in this
vital issue. you can send a letter by fax to 802 828-3339 or email the
lieutenant governor, douglas a. racine, at ltgov@leg.state.vt.us with a brief
note to register your support. you can read the supreme court's ruling, baker
v. vermont, here and find an informative article and other links here.

i, mikewhy, personally support the ruling of the vermont supreme court and i
am appalled at the negative reaction and irrational fear such initiatives
create in the mind of those who are homophobic. i feel this way even though i
am a straight male. i am ashamed by the fact that many of my fellow straight
males are homophobic. i am appalled at the use of religion to deny human
beings equal rights. i feel the need to do something, to help end a prejudice
that has no place in an enlightened, modern society. i have dear friends who
are gay, and i also do this in support of them. so i ask you to help in any
way you can. thank you.

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here are the links mentioned in mikewhy's post:

http://www.gaywire.net/newswire/show.cgi?19991222-160828
http://www.state.vt.us/courts/98-032.txt

and the link to the dent:
http://members.aye.net/~mikewhy/toriamos.html

:) lisa

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another couple donations angles that need to be explored are if hte has any
ideas for schools or community centers and if youthpride could use the piano.
i think that the public school idea is a great one but someone brought up a
point that the only one who gets to play the piano in school is the teacher
and i agree to some extent.  i think we should work hard to find the place
where this piano will get the most love and use - i know, i know, everyone's
imagining the love and care it would get in their living room, lets be
serious :o) .  everybody think: where and with whom would the piano be most
useful?  who gets the most use and pleasure out of a piano?  and obviously
keep children in mind.  any ideas can go to joanne or myself, and opinions
very welcome!

peace, love and this sweet life,
lisa :o)

oh yes and like i said please let me know if there are any other lists,
forums, etc that might be interested in learning about this - we need to
spread the word to ig fans everywhere!!

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thanks for all of the constructive critisism and for not flaming
me.  dana is right in a lot of ways.  there are way too many fans
for them to personally acknowlege.  i've just had some experiences that
have made me very sensitive to that subject and i need to get over it.

thanks again....still want that piano.

cathy

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hey...

<<hey there. one of my friends is swearing up and down that eric clapton
once did a cover of romeo & juliet. anyone know about this? she's definately
not thinking of the dire straits version (the original)...>>

eric clapton has never officialy released a version of romeo and juliet as
best i can tell.

however for the 11-6-88 free nelson mandela concert at wembley stadium,
london, eric clapton performed romeo and juliet with dire straits although
as i recall mark knopfler sang lead throughout.

can you tell i used to work as a music archivist??

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great idea!  i'll do a little detective work, but does anyone have any ideas
of companies etc who might take a particular interest in this cause, or ones
known for their charitability?  let me know!

lisa :o)

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could the reason ig were not nominated this year be that the voters in the
contemporary folk category (the category they're always nominated in) did not
feel  cons qualified as contempory folk?  of  course, sots had quite an edge
to it too.  i dunno.   actually, i would think this album could easily be
nominated for rock album, especially considering the grammy's are focused
more on artistic quality than sales/mass commercial appeal.  maybe it will be
nominated in some category next year.

no clue why mle's cd got nominated, cause breakdown is not her best (imho).
she's a grammy favorite, though.

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<< "if there are any homophobics in the audience you fucking come to the wrong
show baby..."
tori said the above quote during her concert in concord, ca on september 19,
1999. tori has always been very vocal in her support of the gay community>>

i have so much respect and admiration for tori amos.  go tori!


<<however, the governor's office of vermont
has been bombarded with phone calls by anti-gay individuals opposing the
recent decision-primarily fueled by the "doctor laura" radio program>>

as in dr. laura schlesinger?  oh god... <rolling eyes around>   figures.

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this does sound a little hard, but maybe someone could possibly find a shipping
company that might do that for free or at least a discount?  i personally don't
know how to go about finding this, but it might be feasible.....
sharon

lisa holt wrote:

> great idea!  i'll do a little detective work, but does anyone have any ideas
> of companies etc who might take a particular interest in this cause, or ones
> known for their charitability?  let me know!
>
> lisa :o)
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