lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-01d


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date:         fri, 21 jan 2000 19:47:05 -0500
reply-to:     debbie woodell <woodeld@phillynews.com>
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subject:      re: listening to...

what have i listened to? "mock tudor" by richard thompson!
deb

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date:         fri, 21 jan 2000 20:03:30 est
reply-to:     jess913@aol.com
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subject:      erin mckeown show
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hey.  for those of you who have not yet had the priviledge of seeing erin
mckeown live, she will be at the philly music conference tomorrow night.
here's the scoop:

erin mckeown
22 jan
tin angel, philadelphia pa
215.928.0978,
philadelphia music conference
21+, $8  mckeown's set: 10.10 - 10.40pm

also see www.erinmckeown.com, she's got a particularly cool web page with
some great pictures and lotsa quotes/press, etc.  she's kinda folk/funk/jazz,
lately getting into some more jazzy stuff which she obviously has lots of fun
with.  she also has some dates coming up opening for some pretty diverse acts
like ferron (not sure what that crowd will think...), the nields, susan
werner and andy stochansky.  those are all on her website or on musi-cal.

jess b

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date:         fri, 21 jan 2000 21:39:40 est
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i just find out that we can listen to ig songs here. i'm sure y'all probably
know this.

<a href="http://www.sonicnet.com/artists/ai_audio.jhtml?ai_id=1087">sonicnet
artist info: the indigo girls</a>

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date:         fri, 21 jan 2000 22:15:44 -0500
reply-to:     deb <indigo@mindspring.com>
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subject:      re: greg brown (nigc)
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greg brown is also a good friend of ani's... one of her songs is a direct
response to one of his, but i can't seem to find the exact info right now...

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date:         fri, 21 jan 2000 23:50:18 -0500
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as it turned out -- by unanimous vote of the ig list maroon does go with
black.  the date went all right it was nice for a change and i don't think i
have ever been so nervous in my life -- its strange being single again
(feels so funny to be free).  it was short - just dinner, then my friends
and i went and walked around ybor and i had my tarot cards done for my b-day
present (he he he -- just wait 'til you hear this one beccie).

thanks for the advice and good luck wishes,

nan

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 00:10:09 est
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well, alas, i didn't get to listen to anything at work today.

other than my boss yelling at me.

if i could have listened to anything, i think it probably would have been
billy joel today.

and, tonight, i got to listen to applause.  third night of the play i'm in.

applause is always a good way to start a weekend!

everyone stay safe and have a great weekend!

claudia

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 00:35:05 -0500
reply-to:     mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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subject:      ig logos
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i have created like 14 ig logos for a web page
and im intrested in knowing what folks tihnk  i can send them or put them
on  a page for folk to look at
they are all done in differnt fonts in a neon style  and of course indigo
in color heh
got some ideas of which to use for various things but i wanted folks
opinion and will make htem available for use on folks pages wiht of course
a link and credit  i can make other various styles to bt i happen to like
this tyle lol

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 01:01:29 est
reply-to:     arrowofartemis@aol.com
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well the work day is long over, but since i didn't see this till now, today
my musical selections consisted of:

judy collins:  forever: an anthology (i got this for christmas and cannot
take it out of my cd player for too long...ugh!  that voice!)

ig: cons

odetta:  the essential odetta

i was in a very folkie mood today. :)

mis

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 02:05:38 -0500
reply-to:     mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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subject:      you pick my ig logo
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ive posted 2 polls
you get 3 votes each poll ( lol if its set up right)
heres the url
http://www.geocities.com/paris/metro/1460/igpoll.html

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date:         fri, 21 jan 2000 23:06:02 -0800
reply-to:     arjuna greist <endarphine@yahoo.com>
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from:         arjuna greist <endarphine@yahoo.com>
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hey igheads,
ani has actually written 3 songs about greg: "this
bouquet" off naprettyg, "loom" of lpcastles, and "soft
shoulder" off ttteeth. he wrote "vivid" about her, &
perhaps another song that i can't think of.

as to music at work, i walked into the circle k where
i had a job the other day & heard 'we are together' on
the radio... only the second time i've heard them like
that, the first being in la. i really didn't expect it
in tallahassee... but i guess we're close enough to
atlanta. speaking of which, i'm going up there on
wednesday. hank's gonna show me all around town, since
she lived there for a coupla years. i wish i had more
time there, but i've gotta get home to fly out to
nepal. ah, excitement.
peace,
arjuna

ps visit my webpage, i just put up a whole bunch of my
lyrics. :) http://www.geocities.com/kweerkore
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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 08:46:31 -0500
reply-to:     io20742 <io20742@exploremaine.com>
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rem @ spac 9/8/99 - disc 2 - skipping to song 2 "find the river"

hmm. anyone know any good tutorials for dhtml and css - i *understand the
language* but just need a few good examples/how to's (and i've already got
two books!)
thanks

peace-
mike r.

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 10:13:28 est
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hi all

ok i just went to ticketmaster and the show is listed!!!!!!!!!   the on sale
date for tixmaster is 2/16/00 wednesday at 10:00am.  i went to ticketmaster
to pa then looked up venues for f&m college.

i guess the college is selling tix to the students first.   does anyone know
if the college will take phone charges on 2/1/00????


sandy

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 10:35:27 est
reply-to:     diane wong <arle@hotmail.com>
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so, i invited co-workers to my apartment for hot chocolate to celebrate the
first accumulated snow of the season here in harrisburg, pa.  beth, the wife
of a co-worker, saw my collection of ig season's greetings (including the
copy of the newspaper picture of blurry emily, clear amy, and blurry winona
laduke--thanks amy m.!), and she says, "are you a fan of the indigo girls?"

then proceeds to tell me how an ex-boyfriend took her to see amy and emily
perform in 1988 in athens, georgia.  she couldn't remember their names at
the time when she heard them, but they were good.  all she could remember
was, "purple women".  and then, david letterman or some such person,
referred to lesbians as "women in comfortable shoes".  so, to beth, they
were "purple women in comfortable shoes".

so, hello fans of purple women in comfortable shoes (pwcs)!!

laughing, diane :d ;)
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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 11:00:36 -0500
reply-to:     mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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subject:      re: listened to ...and dhtml/css help!
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www.htmlgoodies.com

best damn tutorials for html stuff around including dhtml and css


on sat, 22 jan 2000, io20742 wrote:

> rem @ spac 9/8/99 - disc 2 - skipping to song 2 "find the river"
>
> hmm. anyone know any good tutorials for dhtml and css - i *understand the
> language* but just need a few good examples/how to's (and i've already got
> two books!)
> thanks
>
> peace-
> mike r.
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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 11:31:56 -0500
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i want to thank everyone whose vted so far  and urge everyone else to vote
you pick my ig logo for my page and you can leave comments !!!
ive posted 2 polls
you get 3 votes each poll ( lol if its set up right)
heres the url
http://www.geocities.com/paris/metro/1460/igpoll.html

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 11:32:32 -0500
reply-to:     mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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remmeber theres 2 polls you can vote in both
( some folks didnt vote in the second one its got 2 less votes lol

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 12:59:18 est
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hmmmm...

the people you have never heard of, but will:

carly arrowsmith- patches on my soul
carolann solebello- songs ep (her next album will be released in 2 weeks!)
hillary spencer- other roads, other lives

people you had better have heard of:

sleater-kinney - sta
sister 7- this the trip

and, well... i got to hear all yesterday just how cute my girlfriend thinks i
am!*giggle!*

happy weekend,
meredith

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 19:08:16 -0500
reply-to:     havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
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hey y'all,

check this out:

http://www.classmates.com/decades/rryb.tf?name=ray,+amy
http://www.classmates.com/decades/rryb.tf?name=saliers,+emily

tim
http://www.havanamoon.8m.com/

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 19:20:41 est
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i found this new information on the old ig site on the "news" page, which
apparently is still being updated.   the actual tour page still says check
back later for more info though.    but at least this has some more
information on the daytona beach stop, which is still listed as "tba"
everywhere else!

indigo girls radio & college tour!
indigo girls will be performing a series of radio shows and college gigs as a
duo (amy & emily only- no band). they will be heading to australia in march
for a tour down under with the full band. here's where you can find amy and
emily on the road:

2/5 - tampa wssr- gasparilla street festival/city street festival
2/7 - daytona beach wkfs radio show
2/14 - norfolk wpte radio show
2/17 - storrs, ct university of ct - college show
2/18 - rochester, ny wzne radio show
2/19 - canton, ny st. lawrence university- college show
2/24 - lancaster, pa franklin & marshall college- college show
2/25 - chicago wtmx/ mix radio show
2/26 - chicago university of chicago-college show

=)
lisa

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 19:35:48 -0500
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anyone with info on how to get these (appearently $10 bucks) for the pre
show q&a?

any one think they'll allow cameras???


blah. i took the day off work anyhow

any info please email
mike r.

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 20:03:02 -0600
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hi  lisa

tanks for your recent post.  if  you hear anything  about  their  duo
tour  (if i'm not mistaken, )  which continues  on after they get back
from australia,  let us all know.  here's to hoping  they come back
minneapolis.

peace

barb

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 21:06:44 est
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hey y'all! i just finally got done with my concert photo's page on my website
they kinda suck but some are not that bad, (hence the name "sucky concert
pics") there is also some cocnert stubs that corespond with the photo's they
are at  <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/sys/popup_source.shtml?category=">su
cky concert pics</a> <-----click here or at
www.angelfire.com/ok2/indie4me/indigoconcertpics.html hope y'all enjoy!! take
care!

mandy :)

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date:         sat, 22 jan 2000 19:26:11 pst
reply-to:     sara kitchen <sara62@hotmail.com>
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hello all. i have some questions

1. when is and where is the (please excuse my ignorance) newport folk
festavial. i want to go for a lot of reasons.

2. is the window cling offer still out there? anyone, anyone?

3. how do you deal with the possablity of a broken heart. daniel phillips of
milford ohio, my beloved may be going back to his x who ruined his life. to
show you what a great guy he is, he comited to her and he takes that oath as
serious as any marrage vow. she's in buffalo im here. home town atvantage?
sorry about all this nigc, but...


sara the not so sunny sunflower

"work like you don't need money, love like you've never been hurt, and
    dance
    like no one is watching............" v

sara kitchen
www.sara62@hotmail.com

>   a&e  "i will walk down the street. i will hold my head high. i will say
>    #    hello to everyone i meet. i will have love in my heart.  when i
>    #    have hate, i will turn my hate into energy. and when i have anger,
>   _#_   i will turn my anger into energy. when i am negative, i will be
>  ( # )  negative only for as long as i need to be, until i understand it
>  / o \  and then i will be positive. and i will not be complacent. and i
>( === ) will not be complacent. and i will not be a racist. and i will not
>  '---'  a sexist. and i will not be a homophobic asshole. and i will love.
>and i will love. and i will be happy that i am alive."  -amy ray

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date:         sun, 23 jan 2000 00:17:58 -0500
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i wanna say thanks to eveyrone whose voted so far
lol tough some feed back would be nice you can leave comments its a pretty
close race between a couple i may  after this week choose like the top 5
and revote them  where u can only pick one

so whats everyone thikn of them and is anyone wanting to use any of them
for their pages
http://www.geocities.com/h_u_gg_y/igpoll.html

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date:         sun, 23 jan 2000 12:04:15 -0500
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check it out....

http://www.fcc.gov/bureaus/mass_media/news_releases/2000/nrmm0001.html

tim
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love is not music; music is the best..." (frank zappa)

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hey y'all...
    i'm having a little debate with someone here...
    in the rop album, on the song "nashville", what does amy sing right after
she asks "is it my fault"? if anyone knows the answer, please write back
soon! thanks.
                            piper

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date:         sun, 23 jan 2000 16:16:18 -0500
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>high school confidential
>by chris tuttle
> from the advocate, february 1, 2000
>
>i'm sitting in my american history class at irmo high school in irmo, s.c.
>i'm 16 years old, already feeling unwanted by the school that would later
>become infamous for being first to ban an appearance by the indigo girls. as
>i sit in the second-to-last row, my teacher talks about an america founded on
>equality, freedom, and justice. at the same time five or six surrounding
>classmates are teaching me about an america that hates faggots and bullies
>them. my teacher never once intervenes; i suffer in silence.
>
>my high school experience ended five years ago, but other teenagers are still
>trapped in that second-to-last row. in december, 15-year-old anthony colin
>stood before reporters prior to the meeting of the orange unified school
>district board in orange, calif., describing the harassment he had suffered
>at el modena high school and how a gay-straight alliance could help him and
>other teens like him. with strength and dignity anthony addressed the
>misunderstandings of his conservative community, and more than 50 other
>students joined him in petitioning the school board to allow the gsa.
>
>but the school board didn't listen. it denied anthony's request in a 7­0 vote
>and in true homophobic fashion ruled that the group was less about creating
>tolerance than it was about sex. that reasoning justified the board's refusal
>to comply with the federal equal access act, which mandates that all
>noncurricular clubs be treated the same. but i know that no school board can
>or will stop anthony's vision for an inclusive, more respectful america.
>discrimination and apathy on the part of administrators, school boards, and
>teachers is the rule, not the exception, for gay, lesbian, bisexual, and
>transgendered students. in a 1999 national survey by the gay, lesbian, and
>straight education network, 69% of glbt students reported having been
>verbally, physically, or sexually harassed or physically assaulted at school.
>what's amazing is that thousands of these youths are refusing to suffer in
>silence, as i did when i was 16. they're forming gay-straight alliances in
>small towns and city schools nationwide. more than 700 of these clubs have
>registered with glsen's student pride usa, a project that supports students
>working to end antigay bias in schools.
>
>now, at age 23, i'm no longer silent: i work for glsen full-time, having
>spent several years doing youth empowerment work in south carolina and
>baltimore. through student pride usa i've met student activists of all
>colors, nationalities, ages, gender identities, and sexual orientations. they
>envision a future i wasn't sure existed when i was 16, a future when they
>will have a place to meet to discuss and counter the turmoil and harassment
>that too often intrudes on their lives. each day i'm astounded by their
>numbers, their power, and, most important, their passion to right society's
>wrongs. recently, for example, i met morgan, a determined 14-year-old who
>last year brought her girlfriend to the prom and who is now forming her
>alabama school district's first gsa.
>
>both morgan and anthony can attest to the fact that gay-straight alliances
>are needed-that they raise participants' self-esteem and reduce homophobia in
>schools. my years at irmo high school would have been easier if i'd had the
>support of a club to fight the hatred i faced every day. but times are
>changing. now i have hope even for a school that barred the indigo girls.
>there's no gsa there yet, but it doesn't seem impossible that there will be
>one.
>
>the question is no longer whether these groups should start, but when. it's
>no longer whether glbt students have rights, but when their rights will be
>recognized. when will our schools stand firm against antigay pressure and opt
>for programs and policies that serve all youth regardless of sexual
>orientation or gender identity? when will schools and teachers use their
>authority in our communities to stand up for all young people instead of
>silently supporting those who bully glbt youth?
>
>obviously, the battle is far from over. most glbt 14-year-olds still struggle
>alone with no support in their schools or communities. but like anthony and
>morgan, many are now refusing to suffer in silence. these young people are
>not only demanding safety, they're demanding respect --in their schools, in
>their cities, and in their america.
>
>tuttle is national student organizer for glsen.

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piper beatty <goldfilly@aol.com> wrote:

    in the rop album, on the song "nashville", what does amy sing right after
she asks "is it my fault"?

well, acording to hal leonardthe lyric is:

nashville can't i carry the load
is it my fault i can't reap what i sow?

now, mr l is notoriously incorrect about a lot of stuff, but that should be
it.

meredith

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date:         sun, 23 jan 2000 16:47:11 -0500
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i think that y'all who are coming here for the show are going to be a little
pissed about the seating.  i found out on friday that the way it works is that
the floor is general admission and the stadium seats on the sides and the back
are numbered seats.  in addition, you can only buy floor seats at the box
office, and not over the phone.  the only people who can be on the floor are the
ones with floor tickets, so don't be planning on rushing the stage unless you
want to get in trouble with security.

as far as the seating chart goes, i've never been in the convo center, so i
can't help you there.  i guess it'll just have to be a surprise!

:)
anna
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date:         sun, 23 jan 2000 13:50:06 -0800
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i'm in buffalo until saturday, jan. 29. anything exciting going on here
this week?

thanks,
bon

(enjoying the snow and hoping to make it to mighty taco!)

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 10:02:17 +1100
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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list but since the igc itself
is minimal it's probably better off here instead...

cheers,
sherlyn

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>from: "robbin love" <robbin_150@hotmail.com>
>subject: low-power fm radio victory
>date: fri, 21 jan 2000 17:54:47 gmt
>
>copied without permission from rolling stone news:
>
>fcc votes in favor of low-power fm radio
>
>in a move that may usher in a brand new world of radio broadcasting, federal
>communications commission members voted thursday morning to allow
>non-commercial, low-power radio stations to share the fm airwaves again for
>the first time in twenty years. the four-to-one decision in favor of
>low-power fm radio comes after a year of fierce lobbying for and against the
>proposal, with musicians like the indigo girls, bonnie raitt and jackson
>browne siding with the grassroots low-power radio coalition against heavy
>opposition from the national association of broadcasters, which has argued
>that a glut of new stations vying for already tight radio real estate would
>cause interference across the dial.
>
>low-power radio coalition member jenny toomey called the fcc's decision
>"absolutely unprecedented."
>
>"what's totally amazing about this victory is that it was really kind of a
>rag-tag group of activists talking to each other on the internet who managed
>to beat the nab, who sent money to lobby every single member of congress,"
>said toomey, a washington, d.c. musician who's played with the bands
>tsunami, grenadine and liquorice. "basically, what we were saying was, money
>controls the radio, which is a national resource, and we as members of the
>american public should have access to our airwaves."
>
>toomey credits much of that victory to the efforts of musicians spreading
>the low-power fm gospel. "i feel that the alliance of musicians is really
>what pushed the issue into the press and through to victory. if it wasn't
>for artists like amy ray or mike watt, it really wouldn't have gotten the
>press profile that it has, and that's really what won this battle."
>
>the fcc could be accepting applications for the new low-power signals as
>early as may, with the first mini-stations going on air before the end of
>the year. licenses for the new low-power stations will be awarded to
>community groups committed to using their signals for strictly
>non-commercial, local-oriented programming. this could include schools,
>religious groups, health organizations and even music stations -- provided
>they can sell their case to the fcc.
>
>"basically, the fcc voted to make these non-commercial, education licenses,"
>said toomey. "[regarding] the language of 'educational purposes,' we're
>going to get a more clear statement hopefully next week about what they
>actually mean by that. but we're already lobbying them to include as
>educational purposes the idea of a community-based radio station where,
>among the many functions it would serve, it would also serve as a vehicle
>for under-performed or under-supported music, educating people about
>everything from jazz and blues to new, innovative forms of music, like punk,
>rock and folk."
>
>in deference to the nab's concerns about signal interference from the new
>stations, the fcc has scaled back its initial blueprint allowing for
>1,000-watt stations with a near-twenty-mile broadcast radius and ruled that
>the low-power stations will be limited to 100 watts, allowing broadcasts in
>a radius of up to three-and-a-half miles (typical high power, commercial fm
>stations start out at 6,000 watts). the nab has argued that such measures
>still won't prevent interference, but cheryl leanza, deputy director of
>media access project, a non-profit public interest law firm that has worked
>historically to increase the diversity of voices on the nation's airwaves,
>said that the fcc's ruling should stand despite the inevitable further
>opposition.
>
>"i've heard that the national association of broadcasters is intending to
>take some court action," leanza said, "but, in general, what happens when
>somebody goes to court against an fcc rule is the rule stands in place while
>the court decides whether or not the rules are okay. so that means that
>low-power radio should pretty much move forward."
>
>so, could the fcc's promise of low-power radio herald a return to the heyday
>of free-form fm radio? not necessarily, admitted toomey, but she said it is
>a promising first step in the right direction.
>
>"twenty years ago, you had payola, so there's never been a perfect radio
>world," she laughed. "but i am incredibly optimistic. i went to bed last
>night, and there weren't 1,000 new radio stations, and tomorrow there's
>going to be 1,000 new ones."
>
>richard skanse
>(january 20, 2000)
>
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a seating chart for the convocation center an jmu can be found at their site...www.jmu.edu.  i had to go under their woman's basket ball page, and then finally found a link with the seating chart.

my sister and i decided to road trip to madison yesterday (saturday) and buy tix.  we went to plan 9 in harrisonburg and they only had one ticket left.  there was a plan 9 in charlottsville that had a whole bunch, thought.  so we trecked down 33 to the plan 9 in n. c-ville and got pretty good seats (or so we were told by the guy at the record store).  and the buy pulled the bundle of tix out with a seating chart showing us exactly where we were sitting.

good luck to everyone getting tickets.

lisa :)

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on 1/23/00, at 4:44 pm, anna creech wrote:

>i think that y'all who are coming here for the show are going to be a little
>pissed about the seating.  i found out on friday that the way it works is that
>the floor is general admission and the stadium seats on the sides and the back
>are numbered seats.  in addition, you can only buy floor seats at the box
>office, and not over the phone.  the only people who can be on the floor are the
>ones with floor tickets, so don't be planning on rushing the stage unless you
>want to get in trouble with security.
>
>as far as the seating chart goes, i've never been in the convo center, so i
>can't help you there.  i guess it'll just have to be a surprise!
>
>:)
>anna
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hey folks,

excerpted from a message which landed in my mailbox over
the weekend...

-sherlyn

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>from: rebrad@aol.com
>date: sun, 23 jan 2000 14:42:47 est
>subject: forever dusty!
>
[...]
>
>we're finally ready to get our dusty springfield tribute cd, "forever dusty!
>homage to an icon," out. so i wanted to give you a bit of a head's up...and
>ask your help getting the word out on this solidly grass roots release.
>
>basically, if you can just chat it up a bit in your daily life and refer any
>media types who'd like a review copy to me, that'd be great!*
>
>thanks and best,
>rebekah.
>
>to bring you up-to-date...
>
>"forever dusty: homage to an icon"
>r&d records #rrjd3101
>in hand/on internet: 2/14/00
>in stores: 4/11/00
>
>1.  laura love band son of a preacher man
>2.  the butchies        what's it gonna be
>3.  indigo girls            broken blossoms
>4.  jill sobule         just a little lovin'
>5.  zrazy               how can i be sure
>6.  gail ann dorsey losing you
>7.  marti jones         you don't have to say you love me
>8.  michelle malone & karyn folmar malone
>                        the look of love
>9.  vicki randle        wishin' & hopin'
>10. sonia               i just don't know what to do with myself
>11. jennifer kimball        chained to a memory
>12. cath carroll            no easy way down
>13. ana egge            breakfast in bed
>14. lord douglas phillips featuring gretchen phillips
>                        yesterday when i was young
>15. sara lee            i only want to be with you
>16. mrs. fun featuring janet planet
>                        windmills of your mind
>17. carole pope         soft core
>
>(a portion of the proceeds benefits breast cancer organizations)
>
[...]

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<<according to hal leonard the lyric is "nashville  can't i carry the
load,  is it my fault
i can't reap what i sow>>

i'm afraid  iafter having heard the song so many times, i'll have to
agree with mr. leonard on that one.

peace

barb

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<<according to hal leonard the lyric is "nashville  can't i carry the
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load,  is it my fault
i can't reap what i sow>>

i'm afraid  iafter having heard the song so many times, i'll have to
agree with mr. leonard on that one.

peace

barb


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date:         sun, 23 jan 2000 19:46:25 -0500
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since my beloved bucs lost (i hate officials) go tennessee!!!!!

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date:         sun, 23 jan 2000 16:53:18 pst
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hey sara!

>hello all. i have some questions
>
>1. when is and where is the (please excuse my ignorance) newport folk
>festival. i want to go for a lot of reasons.

***well, it's in newport, rhode island and is usually in august...i don't
know the exact dates of this years festival..sorry...
>
>2. is the window cling offer still out there? anyone, anyone?

***yeah!...just where are those window clings?!...my check was cashed awhile
back and i was promised them in december...

rugbygrrl...

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does anyone have any idea how i might get a hold of chris tuttle or someone
who might be able to help me find out more about getting involved in programs
such as glsen or how to get some gay-straight alliances started in my area
schools. i am no longer in school but i would like to help prevent youth from
having to go through what i and many people i know went through in high
school. if anyone can give me any information that might help i would greatly
appreciate it. thank you.
god bless,
jess

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sara wrote:
<<
1. when is and where is the (please excuse my ignorance) newport folk
festavial. i want to go for a lot of reasons. >>

the newport folk festival is in newport ri and it totally rocks!  i have been
twice - in 96 and 98..both times the girls were there :) a word of caution
though..newport is a tiny tiny tiny piece of land in the middle of the
atlantic ocean (ok maybe not middle, but still...) so there is an absolute
enormous amount of traffic generated by the folk festival... in 96 my friend
drove and we left concord nh at like 8 am and got there around noon... an
hour and a half of which was spent in newport trying to find the venue.. it
is usually sold out so get your tickets early. it is hot hot hot...you can
bring water - it's best to bring a bottle of water cause they have spots
where you can refuel. bring lots of money. they have really cool stuff for
sale - music, t-shirts, ice cream (it is the ben and jerry's folk festival
after all.) bring your cd's or posters of any of the artists that you are
going to see - just in case... in 98, i met catie curtis and michelle
malone...apparently dar signed stuff too but my sister and i were
late....which brings me to 98...it took my sister and i like 5 hrs to get
there from wolfeboro nh and we got there like by 2pm..missing catie and
michelle's sets... also the people are not always lovey dovey and friendly,
so be prepared. my sister and i attempted to move up close to the stage for
the girls (the closers) and were literally yelled at by people who had staked
their claim to the giant area which their blanket covered. (careful, lisa is
getting pissy just being reminded of it...) we are talking like 40,000 people
jammed into a tiny field - there is no room for blankets, or sitting anywhere
near the stage. if you are a stander/dancer (like me) bring a towel to sit on
(far from the stage - if you can find any grass) during the acts you are less
anxious to see....

really, it's fun...just lots and lots of people and very hot... the girls are
always good and both times i went they played new stuff. and then there is
the hour and a half wait to get out of newport - just out of newport...it is
really an all-day experience so be prepared. this is not lilith fair.

sara...as for question 3: i have had plenty of experience with stupid boys
(note: boys...) and trust me: the sooner you get over it and move on, the
better off you will be. i know it sucks (trust me) but really, it's the
truth...

ok....calming down now...

there is a really sexy pic of amy (in a white tank top :) and emily (looking
cute) in the recent columbia house music club mailer. these music clubs are
at least good for something :)

lisa

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>  . . . attempted to move up close to the stage for
> the girls (the closers) and were literally yelled at by people who had staked
> their claim to the giant area which their blanket covered. (careful, lisa is
> getting pissy just being reminded of it...)

well, usually the people who lay claim to giant areas with their
blankets are the same crazed nuts (and i mean that in a good way, crazed
nuts) who'd been their for hours before the gates opened up in order to
get good seats.  so, you tried to stand in their spots and they yelled
at you?  be thankful that's all they did:)  if you want to get close to
the stage, join the other crazed nuts and be there early.  these indigo
girl fans mean business.

yes, and the traffic does suck getting out.  i don't think it was too
bad getting in (provided you get there early) and getting out can be a
bitch, although taking the water shuttle back to downtown and parking
downtown is an alternative that has worked for me.  but last year we got
out of the parking lot about 20 minutes, so i guess it is partly luck
too.  it also helps a lot to be familiar with the town so you won't get
lost - i am as familiar with newport as i am with the town in which i
live.  i have relatives in newport and spent most of my summers there
when i was growing up.  newport is a beautiful city.

elaine

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date:         sun, 23 jan 2000 21:30:46 -0500
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i was checking out the liner notes in patty larkin's latest live release and i
noticed that ig listee amy putnam is in the thank you section.  cool!

btw, i would recommend this cd to anyone who likes good acoustic
singer/songwriter stuff with the energy of a live performance

:)
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hey all!!  i was just wondering, does anyone have a collection of the
meanings of ig songs, or knows of a website or something that does?
obviously i don't mean every song, but just a few.  it would be really
appreciated!  thanks!

mel

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we're thinking of incorporating newport into a vacation in august to see my
family in philadelphia...how do they handle ticket sales for the festival?
is it tickemaster or something like that or a from-site buying situation?
i've always heard its an incredible time and would really love to make it
this year.

in reference to the "blanket incident," i've been to a lot of general
admission outdoor concerts and i have been the chick to get there early and
stake out a spot and i have also been the dork to arrive late for a number
of reasons and try to wedge myself in the crowd somewhere. i really think
part of the spirit of events like newport is so many fans experiencing the
live performances together and part of this might be "sharing the blanket"
a bit, so to speak. i've shared my saved spot with friends and strangers
both and kind folks have done the same for me. really, with the general
admission situation, you can't rightfully claim any space except the exact
spot in which you're standing, but that could get ugly if contested.

rudeness is one thing...consideration and generosity of spirit and space is
another.

and sara, i can relate to your troubles and the best i can do is offer that
if a person can't treat you well, don't you owe it to yourself to treat
yourself better and not take it? it took me a long time to learn that
lesson, but i reap the benefits of this wisdom every single day.

michelle

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> from: elaine bean <efbean@erols.com>
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> subject: re: sara's questions..pic in clumbia house
> date: sunday, january 23, 2000 8:06 pm
>
> >  . . . attempted to move up close to the stage for
> > the girls (the closers) and were literally yelled at by people who had
staked
> > their claim to the giant area which their blanket covered. (careful,
lisa is
> > getting pissy just being reminded of it...)
>
> well, usually the people who lay claim to giant areas with their
> blankets are the same crazed nuts (and i mean that in a good way, crazed
> nuts) who'd been their for hours before the gates opened up in order to
> get good seats.  so, you tried to stand in their spots and they yelled
> at you?  be thankful that's all they did:)  if you want to get close to
> the stage, join the other crazed nuts and be there early.  these indigo
> girl fans mean business.
>
> yes, and the traffic does suck getting out.  i don't think it was too
> bad getting in (provided you get there early) and getting out can be a
> bitch, although taking the water shuttle back to downtown and parking
> downtown is an alternative that has worked for me.  but last year we got
> out of the parking lot about 20 minutes, so i guess it is partly luck
> too.  it also helps a lot to be familiar with the town so you won't get
> lost - i am as familiar with newport as i am with the town in which i
> live.  i have relatives in newport and spent most of my summers there
> when i was growing up.  newport is a beautiful city.
>
> elaine
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hey,
i would like to thank all of you who have responded to my questions and to
thank the rest of you for putting up with it.  there are many people on the
listwith kind hearts. just so you all know this is not a high school or
college thing; it's a soul mate thing. indigo girls fans are people i "fit
with".  i hope you all understand and again thanks

sara the sunflower
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hi.  jess asked about starting a gsa and i thought i'd add my two cents.  my
name is lori and i'm 18 years old.  this is my very first post... yay!

last year, i started a gsa in my hs.  i go to a hs that is very "politically
correct," but their words aren't backed up by actions.  plus, coming out to
my parents was no picnic.  starting a gsa was painful and difficult, but i
did it and i am thrilled to report that we now have about ten or eleven
members.  we are a wonderful support network for each other and, i hope, for
all those questioning people who just don't join the gsa.

if anyone wants to talk to me about how i started this gsa, i'd be happy to
do that.  but i would love to talk to anyone else who has or is president of
a gsa - ya know - for ideas for meetings, etc.  i am teaching myself how to
run a gsa as i go.  so, yeah...

"fare thee well"
-lori

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>date: mon, 24 jan 2000 02:36:02 -0600
>to: indigogirls@netspace.org
>from: "sarah t. rosenblum" <strosenblum@students.wisc.edu>
>subject:  re: greg brown (nigc) etc
>
>
>>hey igheads,
>>ani has actually written 3 songs about greg: "this
>>bouquet"
>
>see, i had heard that ani wrote this one about dar williams.
>
>
>"women are the ones held to be responsible in general, but instead of not
>holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
>                       --amy ray
>
"women are the ones held to be responsible in general, but instead of not
holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
                        --amy ray

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hkf's,

have been away from my puter for a bit - but i finally got things a little
organized on my tour dates page.  not anything new, just updated my site
with a bunch of links and the (sort-of-recent) 2nd wave of tour dates.
please let us (the list) know of any updates you might stumble across.
onsale information is still a question mark for:  daytona, norfolk,
rochester & both chicago shows.

that's about it... thanks!
a+e=ig

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i haven't received my window clings either :)  any word?

thanks,

jean

--- bancu rugbygrrl <ravishingruggrbc@hotmail.com> wrote:
> hey sara!
>
> >hello all. i have some questions
> >
> >1. when is and where is the (please excuse my ignorance) newport
> folk
> >festival. i want to go for a lot of reasons.
>
> ***well, it's in newport, rhode island and is usually in august...i
> don't
> know the exact dates of this years festival..sorry...
> >
> >2. is the window cling offer still out there? anyone, anyone?
>
> ***yeah!...just where are those window clings?!...my check was cashed
> awhile
> back and i was promised them in december...
>
> rugbygrrl...
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this weekend (almost the whole weekend) i've been listening
to kristen hall, california made music.  i just got it on friday
and oh my gawd!  i really love it.  kristen just has this voice
that crawls right into my bones and makes me feel all warm and
fuzzy inside even if its a sad song.  this cd is so emotional and
wonderful, i just can't put itaway.

have a great day.
cathy

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are all our friends in the southeast okay?  just saw the report about
the awful ice storms down there.

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it's *so* cold!

   thanks for the sweet post... how are you all handlin all the cold? we lost power only shortly in my dorm here in athens, ga because of our generators - but it's so cold and it's sleeting again... i'm kinda mad uga classes weren't cancelled, but all the rest of northern ga, including most of atlanta public and private schools, don't have classes today. lots of trees down and lots of very cold students trudging to classes - along with lots of warm students not bothering to leave their homes. ;-)

   anyway - have a great day wherever you are! stay warm and happy. :)

"...if the weather holds. but if the weather holds, we'll have reached the point - that's where i need to go."

katie :)

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got my tickets!

who else is going???

--audra
(aka birthday goddess)

p.s. what's the update on the on-sale dates for the girls in lancaster?
(just in case, by some miracle of faith i get to go...)

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i have not received my window clings either.  has anyone on the list received
their window clings?

on sun, 23 jan 2000, bancu rugbygrrl wrote:
>
> ***yeah!...just where are those window clings?!...my check was cashed awhile
> back and i was promised them in december...
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over here in atlanta things are starting to get a bit back to normal.
actually, it's snowing right now which is really nice.  my power went out
while i was sleeping sometime saturday night and it is still out now!  my
phone was working up until this morning.  luckily my friend's apartment
complex nearby somehow managed to make it through with their electricity, so
we girls had a little slumber party last night at her place.  (well, not
much of a party, seeing as some of us had to get up for work this morning).
hhhmmmm, what do to with no electricity (and no car, but that's another
story)... i wrote a few more of the cards i've been wanting to send out to
friends, and up until i went to my friend's apartment, i was on the couch
with lots of layers and my sleeping bag, resting, wondering what i could eat
(and salvage) from my fridge.  i hope everyone else is doing well...  you
could always take my mom's advice.  on the phone yesterday she said, "well,
do you have any alcohol in the apartment?  drink!!!  what else can you do
during an ice storm?"  not her usual advice, believe me.  it was cute.
have a great day everyone!
lisa

>are all our friends in the southeast okay?  just saw the report about
>the awful ice storms down there.
>
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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 14:04:58 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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i'm certifiably nuts.

do not delete this email.  if you miss this, i'm not sending it out again,
you'll have to get it from someone else.

read this entire email carefully before emailing me any questions.

next - if you want cdrs of montreal '94 (an evening with the indigo girls) +
reverse one live, follow these instructions...

only send me one bootleg request per mailer!!  if you are participating in
my other offers, please mail them in separate packages.  if you don't it may
make me miserable, and then i'll have to send my girlfriend to hunt you down
and kill you.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
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know that when i receive your request, i will get it back to you as soon as
possible.  please be patient.  due to the demand, it may take as many as 8
weeks before you get your discs back.  here's what you do:

you buy 2 blank discs (cdrs, not cdrws).  put them in a self addressed
stamped bubble mailer, with $2 for art and the signed contract (below).  put
that bubble mailer in a big regular envelope. seal it, address it, stamp it
and mail it to me.

        please: do not send me boxes.  boxes don't fit in my po box and i
have to go to the counter to pick them up, which takes a lot of time waiting
in line.  no fiber mailers. some people are continuing to send me these and
they are a pain and destroy disc makers over time.  from now on, if i get
any of these, i'm sending them back to you without a completed boot. fiber
mailers break on the edges of the jewel cases or whatever else, and get all
over the cds and make a mess.  do not send me postage and labels to reuse
your outer envelope.  rest assured all outer envelopes are being recycled, i
just can't spare the extra time to do all this and check postage and
what-not.  do not use two bubble mailers - i mean, you can if you really
want to, but why would you?  save your money shipping on the front end, you
don't need to put a bubble mailer inside another bubble mailer, just use a
regular business envelope for your outer envelope. please remove shrinkwrap
from your blank discs.

        cdr recommendations:  kodak and imation discs are usually gold with
black logos that show through on light parts of cd artwork, so you may want
to make another choice.  i have had trouble with both imation and memorex
discs and would really appreciate it if you choose something else.  tdks are
reliable, but expensive and some have dark logos on some discs.  some
maxell's have freaky colors that show through the middle of the art and look
funny - avoid these colored discs.  top choices for price, reliability and
non-intrusive labelling are: maxell gold, fuji, verbatim, and sony.  note:
i've had great luck with these:
5 pack cdr media in sleeves 74 min 650mb  wbcdr5sl  4.99 - from
http://www.wholesalebuys.com.  they're only a dollar a disc, and you can
just buy the jewel cases at walmart or wherever.  if you anticipate taking
neil or i up on these offers often, it might be worth your time.

        best option:  just send the discs, with no jewel cases.  what you
would do here is carefully place clean, non-fibrous/non-textured/slick
poster board or other slick-stiff paper between the discs (just the little
cdr cover that comes in the jewel case is fine to use, and secure them in
some way (wrap paper around them and tape it) and mail that to me - that way
your jewel cases don't get broken, and i don't have to put the art in the
jewel case, i can just stick it in your return mailer, which is way easier
for me anyhow. this is truly the best overall method in my opinion, and it
even saves you some postage.

here's the contract:
----------------------------------------------------------------cut here
i hereby promise not to copy, duplicate, distribute, or sell digital copies
nor will i make any digital bootleg offers of these indigo girls '94
montreal + reverse one live bootleg cds.  i will keep these cds in my
possession and will not give them away.  i will refer all inquiries for
digital copies to the person who supplied my discs, in this case, to tara
lane at tara8595@yahoo.com.  i solemnly swear i will never attempt to profit
from owning these cds.

signed_________________________________________

print name______________________________________

email address____________________________________

date____________________________________________

----------------------------------------------------------------------------
---------------cut here
print this out in its entirety and fill it out, including it in your
mailing.  if you don't have a printer, you may handwrite it out in its
entirety.  requests sent without this signed form will be returned to
sender, no exceptions. note that i really don't want you giving these out as
presents.  if you'd like to make this a gift, print out this email, give it
to the person in a wrapped box, have them fill out the form, and you take
care of the details for them.  i don't care how you handle it as long as the
owner of the discs has filled out this form.

note that i say you can't make digital copies.  there has been some
confusion in the past about adding this to people's trade lists, and if you
want to make analog, cassette copies of these to trade, that's fine by me as
long as you don't profit.

mail the sase, discs, contract, and $2 for art to me at:

tara lane
po box 11305
richmond, va  23230

again, please be patient, and i'll have your discs back to you as soon as
it's humanly possible.

here's the tracklist:

disc one:
fugitive
least compl
dead man's hill
galileo
center stage
wood song
reunion
mystery (w/ jane siberry)
joking
po2
this train
ghost
kid fears
prince o dark

disc two
lang/kiss (w/jane)
touch me fall (10 min ext. version)
cl2f
galileo - live radio perf
least comp - live radio
gotm - live radio
reverse one live:
intro/c2f
land of can
love of the common people
crazy game
kid fears
mona lisas & mad hatters
american tune

(though the original version of montreal '94 contained additional live
tracks, these are already available on neil's attack of the killer b-sides,
so they were left off of these discs.  instead, i've placed r1l to fill out
the 2nd disc, and left off the studio versions of c2f and kid fears that
were on the original r1l - because you all have these on the regular epic
self-titled release.)

all of this is acoustic duo music.  montreal '94 was graciously provided by
sabrina parker.

sheryl, if you'd like to forward this to the newslist, that's fine.

take care everyone,
tara

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 12:33:53 -0800
reply-to:     julie libes <mememi@excite.com>
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from:         julie libes <mememi@excite.com>
subject:      re: montreal '94/rev1live bootleg offer
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on mon, 24 jan 2000 14:03:27 -0500, lane, tara e. wrote:

>  i'm certifiably nuts.

tara, i just got the early recordings boot you made for me and was just
getting online to thank you and then saw the montreal offer. you are our
queen. we love you.  the list should compose and sing "we love tara" songs.
who's with me?

thank you, thank you, thank you,
julie (who is trying not to drool over her new ig early recordings boots ;-)

aol instant messenger = <julielibes>

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 15:50:13 -0500
reply-to:     allison hastings <alhastings@mindspring.com>
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from:         allison hastings <alhastings@mindspring.com>
subject:      re: ice storms
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hi,

we were able to survive at my house only by packing up and heading to my
parents' house for the day. i woke up about 3 a.m. and the house was
freezing. i have been sick with bronchitis and did not need to be
beathing cold air. by the time it was 7 a.m., the house had dropped in
temp from 50 degrees to much colder (could see my breath). my folks had
power and a fire place. it was nice! they even had satellite so we could
watch the football games (go titans!).  i called home around 7 last night
and we had power (answering machine picked up).  so, we surviveed. i felt
really sorry for all the people that had nowhere to go. we were quite
fortunate.  funny story though, i called my terribly unorganized brother
to make sure that he had food and heat. he said that he had no
electricity but he told me that he had gone to the store the night before
and stocked up. so, i asked him what kind of food he bought--
microwaveable meals! i just had to have a good giggle over it!  you'd
have to know my brother to appreciate how perfect this was!

hope all have stayed well and warm. since i have no cable i guess i am
forced to study!

smiles and extra- fleecy fuzzies,
allison

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 14:43:22 -0600
reply-to:     "jennifer k. parker" <jkp30@juno.com>
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from:         "jennifer k. parker" <jkp30@juno.com>
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hey tim et al!

thanks for forwarding the addresses for a and e's high school photos--too
funny!  they both look so sweet and adorable!  they made me laugh out
loud, which is always a good thing on a monday, right?

i would die a slow and painful agonizing death if i ever got famous
enough for someone to put my yearbook pictures on the web for the whole
world to see...only thing worse would be if my mug shots taken after an
altercation with the law were made public...but that's another story
entirely!   :-)

take care, y'all...

jennifer

*  *  *  *  *
"emily is the best at everything."  amy ray
yeah...but...amy is the best at rock and roll!!!"   emily saliers
dallas, texas - october 28, 1999

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 14:14:21 -0800
reply-to:     anekdote <anekdote@yahoo.com>
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from:         anekdote <anekdote@yahoo.com>
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webmonkey.com is good - depending on how in depth you
want. also, builder.com usually has features with good
articles and tutorials. good links too.

--- io20742 <io20742@exploremaine.com> wrote:
> rem @ spac 9/8/99 - disc 2 - skipping to song 2
> "find the river"
>
> hmm. anyone know any good tutorials for dhtml and
> css - i *understand the
> language* but just need a few good examples/how to's
> (and i've already got
> two books!)
> thanks
>
> peace-
> mike r.
>
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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 15:20:21 -0700
reply-to:     graham ames <mcgee@oregontrail.net>
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dreamweaver (available for a 30-day free trial at macromedia.com) is
perhaps the most powerful web design tool i've ever seen... and it has
extensive dhtml support.

i can also recommend o'reilly's dynamic html:  the definitive guide.
o'reilly consistently publishes books which are not only quality
instruction, but also have the most intuitive indexes i've ever seen and
don't waste your time with drivel when what you want is information.

-graham

anekdote wrote:

> webmonkey.com is good - depending on how in depth you
> want. also, builder.com usually has features with good
> articles and tutorials. good links too.
>
> > hmm. anyone know any good tutorials for dhtml and
> > css - i *understand the
> > language* but just need a few good examples/how to's
> > (and i've already got
> > two books!)
> > thanks

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 18:06:07 est
reply-to:     emmie32@aol.com
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<<<tara, i just got the early recordings boot you made for me and was just
getting online to thank you and then saw the montreal offer. you are our
queen. we love you.  the list should compose and sing "we love tara" songs.
who's with me?>>>

i second that! tara you really do rock!!!

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 17:14:43 -0600
reply-to:     sheryl jones <sjones@library.wisc.edu>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         sheryl jones <sjones@library.wisc.edu>
organization: university of wisconsin - gls
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don't forget to listen to this week's acoustic cafe.  it is awesome!
live versions of cold beer, peace tonight, ozilline and dead man's hill
as well as some excellent interview material.  the url is:
<http://www.mlive.com/cafe/>.  you'll need real player.  if you can't
get it on the web, poke around at <http://www.acafe.com> and see if it's
on a radio station in your area.
----------------------------------------
sheryl jones
sjones@library.wisc.edu
url: <http://www.geocities.com/felidae>

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 18:17:46 -0500
reply-to:     mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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from:         mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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it is also a builder which teaches u nothing about dhtml


on mon, 24 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:

> dreamweaver (available for a 30-day free trial at macromedia.com) is
> perhaps the most powerful web design tool i've ever seen... and it has
> extensive dhtml support.
>
> i can also recommend o'reilly's dynamic html:  the definitive guide.
> o'reilly consistently publishes books which are not only quality
> instruction, but also have the most intuitive indexes i've ever seen and
> don't waste your time with drivel when what you want is information.
>
> -graham
>
> anekdote wrote:
>
> > webmonkey.com is good - depending on how in depth you
> > want. also, builder.com usually has features with good
> > articles and tutorials. good links too.
> >
> > > hmm. anyone know any good tutorials for dhtml and
> > > css - i *understand the
> > > language* but just need a few good examples/how to's
> > > (and i've already got
> > > two books!)
> > > thanks
>
> --
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> indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
>       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 18:39:36 est
reply-to:     parheli0n@aol.com
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in a message dated 1/23/00 7:29:33 pm pacific standard time,
unclwil@midwest.net writes:

<< we're thinking of incorporating newport into a vacation in august to see my
family in philadelphia...how do they handle ticket sales for the festival?
is it tickemaster or something like that or a from-site buying situation?
i've always heard its an incredible time and would really love to make it
this year.

newport is one of the highlights of my summer.  :-)  not only have i met some
pretty cool listees, but it's a lot of my favorite artists in the same place
at once.  nowhere else would i see ig, melissa ferrick, ellis paul, patty
griffin, suzanne vega, crycrycry, ladysmith black mombazo, some of the
respond women, and catie curtis within three days of each other.

tickets go on sale a few months in advance.  they announce the line-up and
then they usually go on sale after that.  you can get them on-line, through
ticketbastard, and mail order i think.  though tix won't sell out the first
day, they will sell out by the day of the show.  if you think you are going
to want to attend the friday night show at the hotel viking, i would get
tickets early.  last year they were sold out well in advance.  if you're
thinking about booking a room in the area, book soon to get a decent room
close.

you'll definitely hear about the on-sale date around these parts, because
there's a fair number of us who attend.

though people can be rude, it can also be amazing.  :)  just remember to not
be quite so serious about stuff and enjoy what you can.  there's so much
music to enjoy.  with the two stages, the fort stage and the harbor stage,
there's a lot to see, not to mention the artists that play to the crowd
before the gate opens.

i was at the first gate at roughly 5 am last year, and ended up getting a
decent place to sit.  once ig went on, i ended up roughly second row of
bodies, emily side, and was standing next to a whole bunch of listees.  (hi
john!)  my only advice is to get in shape for that run from the first gate to
the second, or bring a bike or rollerblades or something.

re: traffic--i would definitely recommend the water taxi.  it might be a bit
of wait getting out, but it's kinda cool to start your day riding the waves,
wind blowing through your hair.

anyway, there's my thoughts on it. hope this helps!

kelly

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 16:44:30 -0700
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from:         graham ames <mcgee@oregontrail.net>
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nonsense.  "view source" is one of the most wonderful teaching tools on the
planet.  dhtml isn't difficult at all, but it does help to have some examples
and working code you can play with.  it's how i learned it...

(btw, is your caps lock key stuck on, or are you shouting on purpose?)

-graham

mark donajkowski wrote:

> it is also a builder which teaches u nothing about dhtml
>
> on mon, 24 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:
>
> > dreamweaver (available for a 30-day free trial at macromedia.com) is
> > perhaps the most powerful web design tool i've ever seen... and it has
> > extensive dhtml support.
> >
> > i can also recommend o'reilly's dynamic html:  the definitive guide.
> > o'reilly consistently publishes books which are not only quality
> > instruction, but also have the most intuitive indexes i've ever seen and
> > don't waste your time with drivel when what you want is information.
> >
> > -graham
> >
> > anekdote wrote:
> >
> > > webmonkey.com is good - depending on how in depth you
> > > want. also, builder.com usually has features with good
> > > articles and tutorials. good links too.
> > >
> > > > hmm. anyone know any good tutorials for dhtml and
> > > > css - i *understand the
> > > > language* but just need a few good examples/how to's
> > > > (and i've already got
> > > > two books!)
> > > > thanks
> >
> > --
> > please do not send long non-indigo girls-related forwards to the list.
> > indigo girls faq and indigo girls mailing list faq:
> >       http://www.fl.net.au/~sherlyn/ig
> >
>
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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 18:49:38 -0500
reply-to:     mark donajkowski <madonajk@alpha.delta.edu>
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while view source is wonderfull  its not gonna teach you dhtml without
knowing it some what  most folks wont be able to learn it that way
plus folks realyl s hould learn html and not rely on builders

on mon, 24 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:

> nonsense.  "view source" is one of the most wonderful teaching tools on the
> planet.  dhtml isn't difficult at all, but it does help to have some examples
> and working code you can play with.  it's how i learned it...
>
> (btw, is your caps lock key stuck on, or are you shouting on purpose?)
>
> -graham
>
> mark donajkowski wrote:
>
> > it is also a builder which teaches u nothing about dhtml
> >
> > on mon, 24 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:
> >
> > > dreamweaver (available for a 30-day free trial at macromedia.com) is
> > > perhaps the most powerful web design tool i've ever seen... and it has
> > > extensive dhtml support.
> > >
> > > i can also recommend o'reilly's dynamic html:  the definitive guide.
> > > o'reilly consistently publishes books which are not only quality
> > > instruction, but also have the most intuitive indexes i've ever seen and
> > > don't waste your time with drivel when what you want is information.
> > >
> > > -graham
> > >
> > > anekdote wrote:
> > >
> > > > webmonkey.com is good - depending on how in depth you
> > > > want. also, builder.com usually has features with good
> > > > articles and tutorials. good links too.
> > > >
> > > > > hmm. anyone know any good tutorials for dhtml and
> > > > > css - i *understand the
> > > > > language* but just need a few good examples/how to's
> > > > > (and i've already got
> > > > > two books!)
> > > > > thanks
> > >
> > > --
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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 15:55:53 -0800
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ditto everything that everything kelly said.

don't laugh at me, but i booked the hotel viking yesterday.   the place is a
fortune, but it seems to be in the heart of the craziness and i definitely
want to go the fri night show (in addition to other stuff).

also, the water taxi works real well.

melissa

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sent: monday, january 24, 2000 3:38 pm
subject: re: newport


> in a message dated 1/23/00 7:29:33 pm pacific standard time,
> unclwil@midwest.net writes:
>
> << we're thinking of incorporating newport into a vacation in august to
see my
>  family in philadelphia...how do they handle ticket sales for the
festival?
>  is it tickemaster or something like that or a from-site buying situation?
>  i've always heard its an incredible time and would really love to make it
>  this year.
>
> newport is one of the highlights of my summer.  :-)  not only have i met
some
> pretty cool listees, but it's a lot of my favorite artists in the same
place
> at once.  nowhere else would i see ig, melissa ferrick, ellis paul, patty
> griffin, suzanne vega, crycrycry, ladysmith black mombazo, some of the
> respond women, and catie curtis within three days of each other.
>
> tickets go on sale a few months in advance.  they announce the line-up and
> then they usually go on sale after that.  you can get them on-line,
through
> ticketbastard, and mail order i think.  though tix won't sell out the
first
> day, they will sell out by the day of the show.  if you think you are
going
> to want to attend the friday night show at the hotel viking, i would get
> tickets early.  last year they were sold out well in advance.  if you're
> thinking about booking a room in the area, book soon to get a decent room
> close.
>
> you'll definitely hear about the on-sale date around these parts, because
> there's a fair number of us who attend.
>
> though people can be rude, it can also be amazing.  :)  just remember to
not
> be quite so serious about stuff and enjoy what you can.  there's so much
> music to enjoy.  with the two stages, the fort stage and the harbor stage,
> there's a lot to see, not to mention the artists that play to the crowd
> before the gate opens.
>
> i was at the first gate at roughly 5 am last year, and ended up getting a
> decent place to sit.  once ig went on, i ended up roughly second row of
> bodies, emily side, and was standing next to a whole bunch of listees.
(hi
> john!)  my only advice is to get in shape for that run from the first gate
to
> the second, or bring a bike or rollerblades or something.
>
> re: traffic--i would definitely recommend the water taxi.  it might be a
bit
> of wait getting out, but it's kinda cool to start your day riding the
waves,
> wind blowing through your hair.
>
> anyway, there's my thoughts on it. hope this helps!
>
> kelly
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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 19:03:30 est
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is there a site for information on the dates of the newport folk festival?  i
really want to go but i'm not sure when it is or any other info.  thanks,

misty

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 19:11:40 -0500
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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hey

does anyone have a full-size, high quality scan (100x100 dpi +) of the
inside of the rites of passage digipack (the one with frustrated amy,
crossed hands emily and a red-ish background) that the could let me have for
possible future boot-cover purposes... i've found some smaller, compressed
ones, but the full size thingy would be a beauty to behold.

you all are aware of the coffee promo? well, it's a radio show cd, produced
for distribution to radio shows who then air the program. the indigo girls
are also on radio show cds for their '98 (?) acoustic cafe performance.
these _aren't_ the same as compilations such as 'live at the world cafe'.
these are full programs, with music and interviews, and sometimes even
commercials. which is all well and good. but i'm convinced there are more,
and i even remember seeing one on ebay. this is where y'all come in. for my
current research has lead me nowhere (unless i'm missing something on
www.lifeblood.com)

i reckon that least complicated off of history of us is from a modern rock
live radio cd. can anyone corroborate this?

it's also likely that a radio show cd is the source of cortez the killer
from 'in with the out crowd' and perhaps the bonus tracks on uptown girls
(although they could be the regular commercial radio samplers)

any help in the above would be appreciated.

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ps believe it or not, there's still time to get your indicated contributions
to me if you're real quick!!!

http://www.andineil.com
http://www.andineil.com/indigogirls
http://www.andineil.com/edenburning
neil, andi, andineil or thatcoolenglishguy @andineil.com
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<<i reckon that least complicated off of history of us is from a modern rock
live radio cd. can anyone corroborate this?>>

well blow me if it's not there staring me in the face on lifeblood. i'm such
a ditz.

the other questions still stand (for the moment)

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 15:39:14 -0800
reply-to:     the wedgie monster® <thewedgiemonster@yahoo.com>
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> it is also a builder which teaches u nothing about
> dhtml

there's no need 4 u 2 keep shouting all the time,
m'kay?

*twm generously decides to save his wedgie for a later
infractions*

actually a builder can help learn (d)html.
you tell it what you want to do and view the code it
generates from that. that's how twm learned.

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i've been three times -- 94, 95, and 98.

in 94, i got there at about 8:00 a.m. (it seemed early at the time).  we were
about 10 blankets back.

in 95, i got there at 6:30 a.m.  we were about 8 blankets back.

in 98, i literally entered the park at 1:00 a.m. and found the nicest group
of people, sitting in a parking lot, playing guitar by candlelight.  i ran
the 1/4 mile qualifier (avoiding human hurdles and weaving bicycles, not to
mention 100 other crazed fans, to the entrance at (was it?) 6:00 a.m., and
sat in line until they let us in at 10:00.  again, i was about 8 blankets
back.

i always let one or two people i don't know share my blanket, provided
they're nice (and most are), but i can understand why people get miffed when
throngs of latecomers take over their space.

still, it's worth it!

heidi

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in a message dated 1/23/00 6:09:51 pm pacific standard time, efbean@erols.com
writes:

> yes, and the traffic does suck getting out.  i don't think it was too
>  bad getting in (provided you get there early) and getting out can be a
>  bitch, although taking the water shuttle back to downtown and parking
>  downtown is an alternative that has worked for me.
i usually take my motorcycle, so i can weave my way thru the cars.
i'm usually 5 or 6 hours early for concerts....
i met a record producer today who knows a&e through mutual friends (joan
baez)  he's gonna try to get me backstage for pics with 'em.!!  he almost was
their producer, but they ended up going with john reynolds.

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i know it's been explained about 100 times, but if someone would please be so kind..

how does the house of blues show work again? i remember something about "first come - first serve" -- is that to buy tickets? was i dreaming when i heard the tickets are free? (that's happened before...) any info would be so helpful. thank you!

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 18:23:29 -0800
reply-to:     lori ann <liltree@yahoo.com>
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ok, i'm listening to ozilline on this week's acoustic
cafe, and this is what it sounds like emily is singing
after the chorus.  (y'know, the part that was refered
to oohs and aaahs and who knows what in the past,
often by me) so this is what i hear:

oh, ozilline, i feel for you
pleasure's what they double
oh, ozilline, i feel for you
if i could call you mine

anybody else agree?  think i'm way off?

lori


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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 21:38:57 -0500
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january 24 ('77)
espizz@simons-rock.edu (erica spizz)

january 24 ('77)
rmackni@acs.bu.edu (rachel)

january 24, '75
armydillo@mindspring.com (nancy lambert)
my legacy is in the lives i touch on a daily basis
"sometimes it means leaving behind the ones you'd like to come
along" -stereopopsicle
"this life's so full i said why do we ask for more"
aquarians do it under water

january 25
krogue@aol.com (kyle vogel)

january 26 ('77)
mts5@aber.ac.uk (matthew j. smith)

january 28
n.rear1@student.derby.ac.uk (natasha rear)

january 29 ('66)
morrison_joan@webtv.net (joan morrison)

january 30 ('76)
bakerjo@caedm.et.byu.edu (jody k. baker)

january 30
ofelia81@aol.com(leslie mackrell)
"the world is full of magical things patiently waiting for our wits to
grow sharper."- bertrand russel

january 30 ('71)
karrie@ncinter.net (karrie bowen)
"the higher the leap, the harder the ground...."
"i finally found someone i can hold/ you ask me to defend myself, as
if i shouldn't be so bold, well/ get that look off of your face/ i don't
have the time, you don't have the place..."

wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
biggest b-day message i have had to send out in a while...
for those who celebrated today - hope it was happy (and continues to be)
and for those in the week to come...all the best :)

love,
audra
bge
:)

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 22:06:15 -0500
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well folks i am off to nyc in the morning to pick  my friend up from the
airport....we met in the ig chat room, and have fastly started falling
for each other....we are doing a whirlwhind tour of nyc, philly, and
balto, before she flies down to ky to visit some friends down there...i
am so excited so i just thought i would share it with you...oh and even
better, she is from england and has never been to the states
before.....how exciting can this be?!
peace and love,
        carrie

~~~~~~~~~~amy, amy, amy~~~~~~~~~~~

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michelle wrote:
<< rudeness is one thing...consideration and generosity of spirit and space is
another. >>

michelle, i agree wholeheartedly...i too have been one to get there damn
early or really fucking late...i think that if you are going to be right in
front of the stage - blankets and sitting have no place...of course that is
just me :p

lisa

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1)  the original poster said (she?) wanted examples, not a tutorial.
2)  who are you to say how people should or shouldn't learn this stuff?
3)  some tools like frontpage and dreamweaver give you a really quick way to
compare how your page will look in various browsers at various resolutions.
a very helpful tool.  and i can't say enough about using them for creating
tables and frames.  true, you've got to learn the code in order to clean up
(which you'll almost have to do), but to each their own regarding how they
get there (w/ the caveat that knowing the w3c standard is important, and
these tools don't always code in standard).

-s


> while view source is wonderfull  its not gonna teach you dhtml without
> knowing it some what  most folks wont be able to learn it that way
> plus folks realyl s hould learn html and not rely on builders
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most folks who use thos editors do not take the time to learn the code
who am i
i am sommeone who teaches folks how to build web pages thats who i am
matter of fact ill be teaching folks at gm over the next 5 weeks how to
build them

on mon, 24 jan 2000, stephanie davidson wrote:

> 1)  the original poster said (she?) wanted examples, not a tutorial.
> 2)  who are you to say how people should or shouldn't learn this stuff?
> 3)  some tools like frontpage and dreamweaver give you a really quick way to
> compare how your page will look in various browsers at various resolutions.
> a very helpful tool.  and i can't say enough about using them for creating
> tables and frames.  true, you've got to learn the code in order to clean up
> (which you'll almost have to do), but to each their own regarding how they
> get there (w/ the caveat that knowing the w3c standard is important, and
> these tools don't always code in standard).
>
> -s
>
>
>
>
> > while view source is wonderfull  its not gonna teach you dhtml without
> > knowing it some what  most folks wont be able to learn it that way
> > plus folks realyl s hould learn html and not rely on builders
> >
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http://www.epicrecords.com/epiccenter/indigogirls/

the picture that comes after the initial picture (with emily peeking behind
amy), shows emily looking at the camera, and amy looking up to the sky like
she's going to burst into laughter or something.  also, the little cons girl
icons on each page of the epic website flashes to a minipic of the girls or
the cornfield when your mouse pointer is on the cons girl.

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subject:      snow!!!!!!  nigc
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well, it's been snowing in columbia, sc...all day...which is a miracle in and
of itself.

and, since i work at a tv station--i've been at work for 14 hours...taking
school closing calls...business closing calls...and, wondering why there were
only three people manning phones all night.  sheesh.

my fave call of the day...and, i kid you not:  "do you know if they are
calling for snow?  my car is covered with it."

sheesh.

anyhow...thanks for the concerned post on ice storms...we certainly didn't
get hit like atlanta...or, upstate sc...but, still...snow!!!

everyone stay warm and have fun!

claudia

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i'm also an activist that hs been involved in the rights of lgbt students
sisnce i started my gsa my sophomre year of high school.  feel free to also
email me for help with this.

jules


on mon, 24 jan 2000 00:42:23 -0500, indigoanid@aol.com wrote:

>  hi.  jess asked about starting a gsa and i thought i'd add my two cents.
my
>  name is lori and i'm 18 years old.  this is my very first post... yay!
>
>  last year, i started a gsa in my hs.  i go to a hs that is very
"politically
>  correct," but their words aren't backed up by actions.  plus, coming out
to
>  my parents was no picnic.  starting a gsa was painful and difficult, but
i
>  did it and i am thrilled to report that we now have about ten or eleven
>  members.  we are a wonderful support network for each other and, i hope,
for
>  all those questioning people who just don't join the gsa.
>
>  if anyone wants to talk to me about how i started this gsa, i'd be happy
to
>  do that.  but i would love to talk to anyone else who has or is president
of
>  a gsa - ya know - for ideas for meetings, etc.  i am teaching myself how
to
>  run a gsa as i go.  so, yeah...
>
>  "fare thee well"
>  -lori
>
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julie ;-)

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date:         mon, 24 jan 2000 22:36:24 -0800
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hi list.

this is a desperate plea for anybody going to tampa. i really want to see ig
up close and would get there really early except for the little fact that my
friend and i are driving down from atlanta. so we won't be able to get there
too early. i really really want to make it to this show and be a resonable
distance from the stage. somebody please take pity? remember, this is the
underage girl, my ride and i are both getting fake ids just for this show. i
don't want to go through all that and be really far... please help us out.
(i'm aware that people wait in line forever since my tabernacle days, i'll
buy you food, whatever).

please, please, please,
julie :)

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on mon, 24 jan 2000, graham ames wrote:

> i can also recommend o'reilly's dynamic html:  the definitive guide.
> o'reilly consistently publishes books which are not only quality
> instruction, but also have the most intuitive indexes i've ever seen and
> don't waste your time with drivel when what you want is information.

   loyalty in the computer world is in short supply.  loyalty to a book
publisher is almost unheard of.

   i second the recommendation -- sometimes they can be out of date, but
the information always seems to stay relevant - a trick in this industry.
   also, note the cute line drawings of animals on the front cover.

   darius

"it is very difficulty to classify the intelligence of deep blue. its
main advantage appeared to be that it could process information at a much
faster rate than kasparov. also, unlike kasparov, it did not whine and
grumble when it lost."
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if anyone would like to try to get in touch with chris, let me know and i'll try
to help.  i've known him for a long time (being a fellow irmo grad) and though i
haven't seen him in about a year, i can probably track him down.  =)
take care,
sharon
p.s.  i can't believe columbia, sc got snow!!!!!!!!!! =)

"by way of deb " wrote:

> does anyone have any idea how i might get a hold of chris tuttle or someone
> who might be able to help me find out more about getting involved in programs
> such as glsen or how to get some gay-straight alliances started in my area
> schools. i am no longer in school but i would like to help prevent youth from
> having to go through what i and many people i know went through in high
> school. if anyone can give me any information that might help i would greatly
> appreciate it. thank you.
> god bless,
> jess
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have you personally talked to "most people" or do you just like to
generalize, knowing full well your assumptions may be wrong?

btw, perhaps a lesson in grammar and punctuation should be first. it is so
very important to be able to get you point across in a concise manner.

ryan

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> most folks who use thos editors do not take the time to learn the code
> who am i
> i am sommeone who teaches folks how to build web pages thats who i am
> matter of fact ill be teaching folks at gm over the next 5 weeks how to
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i know this has probably been mentioned before but here is a site i have
made my start page to remind me to donate (freely) every day. i'd strongly
encourage everyone to bookmark this site and help feed the world's poor.
here's how
it works: you simply click on a link and it donates so many cups of food
based upon the amount of sponsors for that day. here is the link.

http://www.thehungersite.com/

ryan
(who can remember hunger and believes no one should have to live with it)

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yes, i agree. tara has been a blessing to us all.  great music, beautiful
artwork on the covers and cd labels.  thank you again!!!!!

btw - tara only asks that you send $1 per disk for artwork.  if you have done
any inkjet color printing, i am sure you know how expensive it can be.... by
my math she could be losing money on the deal.  my suggestion: throw a few
extra bucks in for art work.  i did (and will do on subsequent generous
offers such as this).

thanks again to tara,
derek


in a message dated 1/24/00 2:37:02 pm central standard time,
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> on mon, 24 jan 2000 14:03:27 -0500, lane, tara e. wrote:
>
>  >  i'm certifiably nuts.
>
>  tara, i just got the early recordings boot you made for me and was just
>  getting online to thank you and then saw the montreal offer. you are our
>  queen. we love you.  the list should compose and sing "we love tara" songs.
>  who's with me?
>

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hi there!

i've been listening to acoustic cafe, and i have to say that their
connection is great, and the updated real player version really does it
for me. anyway, the point i was trying to make is that i just cant seem to
get through to daemon records radio. well i get 3 first songs, but never -
even in the middle of the night have i gotten the full thing through and
thats really annoying. anyone else have that problem???


kate - freezing her butt off to -15f

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>   anyway, the point i was trying to make is that i just cant seem to
>  get through to daemon records radio. well i get 3 first songs, but never -
>  even in the middle of the night have i gotten the full thing through and
>  thats really annoying. anyone else have that problem???

daemon is now selling a cd copy of the radio hour, hosted by amy, on their
website.   it's only $6.00!

the website address is:  http://www.daemonrecords.com.  you can find the
ordering information on their order page, or on the page where you listen to
the show.

=)
lisa

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(the self promotion part comes from my playing a role in this which
required me to memorize a nine page monologue to be delivered in an english
accent in which i have to say many words about which i have mixed feelings
in company which is also mixed)

attention anyone in the madison area--
>
>
>>from: elaine chan <eychan1@students.wisc.edu>
>>subject: vagina monologues
>>
>>to whom it may concern,
>>
>>do you ever think about vaginas? you think you know a lot about vaginas.
>>well, see how wrong you are! (or right) come to the
>>vagina monologues play on valentine's day to benefit organizations that
>>work to stop violence against women.
>
>>the cast includes heather hazelwood, kimberly dachel, bina ahmad and elaine
>>chan. also look for sarah rosenblum, heidi richgruber, shayna kramer and
>>others.
>>
>>the v-monologues perform on saturday 2/12 at 7:30 p.m. at a room of one's
>>own off state street for free. it shows on sunday 2/13 at 3 p.m. and monday
>>2/14 at 7:30 p.m. in the memorial union play circle. tickets are available
>>at the wisconsin union box office on 2/1. a sliding scale of $7-$20 applies.
>>
>>for more information, contact heather at 262-8093 or email
>>hehazelw@students.wisc.edu. call 262-2201 for ticket information. enjoy
>>this tribute to vaginas.
>>
>>elaine chan
>>
>"women are the ones held to be responsible in general, but instead of not
>holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
>                       --amy ray
>
"women are the ones held to be responsible in general, but instead of not
holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
                        --amy ray

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thanks to those of you who wrote with suggestions for the convention i'm
helping to plan this weekend!

one more request: while my friends and i are going to be in meetings during
much of the weekend, we have part of friday night and most of saturday
evening free to roam the city. i'm fairly familiar with chicago, but is
there anything specific going on this weekend we should be sure not to miss?

thanks,
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who's going to stand in line on 2/25 for the hob show?  i've never done
a stand in line all day thing and i think it would be more fun if i were
with a large group.  also, more convenient as we could make it a
cooperative thing as far as food and other necessities.  we could also
bring cards, guitars, etc.
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hi all--
    i have a huge random favor to ask anyone in the nyc area.  i made it to the first phase of the application process for a film apprentice program in new york.  yea me!!  anyway--that means i have to go to nyc (a place i have never been!) to take a written exam on feb 12th.  i am also super broke right now...got the plane ticket but looking for a kind trustworthy listee who might let me stay on their floor for two nights while i am there.  preferably someone who won't hack me to bits with an axe.  if you are interested letting a-really- nice-25-year-old-bisexual-gal who happens to love the indigo girls sleep at your place... please e-mail me privately.  thanks ever so much.
--amy marie yaeger
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i plan to leave work at 3pm and head to the hob, does anyone know how long will it takes to get there from oak brook? also, i heard wtmx, the radio station that sponsor the show said they are going to annouce a big after 5 show today at 5pm, so i think they are going to offically annouce this show finally.

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im sorry but its not a generalization
ive been a geo cl for over 2 years and have been helping in help chat
longer then that so i have a pretty broad base of people  ive helped and
spoken to


on tue, 25 jan 2000, ryan blackhawke wrote:

> have you personally talked to "most people" or do you just like to
> generalize, knowing full well your assumptions may be wrong?
>
> btw, perhaps a lesson in grammar and punctuation should be first. it is so
> very important to be able to get you point across in a concise manner.
>
> ryan
>
> > -----original message-----
>
> > most folks who use thos editors do not take the time to learn the code
> > who am i
> > i am sommeone who teaches folks how to build web pages thats who i am
> > matter of fact ill be teaching folks at gm over the next 5 weeks how to
> > build them
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from: "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8d)" <listserv@netspace.org>
subject:      file: "indigo-girls log0001d"
to: underdog@earthlink.net
date: sat, 5 feb 2000 16:13:50 -0500

reply-to:     elaine bean <bean@neu.edu>
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sorry to post to the list - susan b.  i want to thank you for the tape,
but  i lost your email, so you and 800 plus members can be thrilled too
that i've received the beacon theatre show.

elaine

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date:         tue, 25 jan 2000 08:33:38 -0700
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vesper - my crazy server here at work lost your last e-mail with your
address.  can you send it to me again so i can send the blank cd to you?

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in a message dated 1/24/00 3:37:02 pm eastern standard time,
mememi@excite.com writes:

<< the list should compose and sing "we love tara" songs.
who's with me? >>


i am with you!  i am so crazy about these discs...tara is giving us all such
a wonderful gift in providing these.  she is our queen!

if you are reading tara, we love you!  thank you so much!

erin sue

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folks.

this topic should have been taken to private email by
now, but this really is too good for me to pass up:

"ive been a geo cl for over 2 years and have been
helping in help chat longer then that so i have a
pretty broad base of people  ive helped and spoken to"

twm is not sure what a "geo cl" is, but:

that would be like a paramedic saying (and this works
best if you imagine they have a mr. hankey voice)
"gosh, eveybody sure needs to be more careful - look
how they all keep hurting themselves."

to labor the point:

you base your opinion of the knowlege of the world at
large upon what people are you asking for help on.
this is, to use the correct statisticical term, 'a
crappy population sample'.

why would anyone who is perfectly happy using pagemill
(or whatever)for creating wysiwyg web pages be asking
for your help help? and how, therefore, would you know
about them and be able to assimilate them into your worldview?

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>from: neil :o) <neil@andineil.com>
>
>it's also likely that a radio show cd is the source of cortez the killer
>from 'in with the out crowd' and perhaps the bonus tracks on uptown girls
>(although they could be the regular commercial radio samplers)


the live version of "cortez the killer" that i know about is off of matthew
sweet's goodfriend promo cd.  (matthew sings lead at first and then amy comes in
to sing lead on a verse; don't think emily sings, just plays guitar.)  it's from
the rop tour.  i remember seeing them do it live at wolf trap in virginia.  is
that the version you're talking about?  i think there might also be a live boot
of amy doing it (with michelle malone?) at a solo show or a writer's night at
eddie's attic sometime, also.  i think i recall seeing such a rendition once.

ron
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date:         tue, 25 jan 2000 12:07:17 -0500
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on tue, 25 jan 2000, the wedgie monster® wrote:

>
> folks.
>
> this topic should have been taken to private email by
> now, but this really is too good for me to pass up:
>
> "ive been a geo cl for over 2 years and have been
> helping in help chat longer then that so i have a
> pretty broad base of people  ive helped and spoken to"
>
> twm is not sure what a "geo cl" is, but:
>

geo cl is geocities community leader


> that would be like a paramedic saying (and this works
> best if you imagine they have a mr. hankey voice)
> "gosh, eveybody sure needs to be more careful - look
> how they all keep hurting themselves."
>
> to labor the point:
>
> you base your opinion of the knowlege of the world at
> large upon what people are you asking for help on.
> this is, to use the correct statisticical term, 'a
> crappy population sample'.
>

no i base my opinion on what we were talking about not tthe world at large


> why would anyone who is perfectly happy using pagemill
> (or whatever)for creating wysiwyg web pages be asking
> for your help help? and how, therefore, would you know
> about them and be able to assimilate them into your worldview?
>
we constantly get folks  who use wysiwyg editors in geocities help chat
asking how to do stuff  from page mill to front page to page builder

they all have their problems

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date:         tue, 25 jan 2000 12:14:43 -0500
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hello everyone,

   i am doing a research project on a "global gay identity" and how new
technology plays a part in that (ie websites).  so if anyone knows of any
good "global" websites that deal with gay & lesbian culture, please let me
know!  (for example www.planetout.com)

thanks so much,
roger

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date:         tue, 25 jan 2000 10:23:21 -0700
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and, before i take this whole thing private, i should point out...

1) i never recommended pagemill or frontpage or anything like that.  i
recommended dreamweaver, a design tool which not only demands that the user
know how html code works, but which was created specifically for people who
prefer hand-coding their html, as an assistant, not a replacement for coding.

2)  if being a "geo cl" for 2 years is supposed to be some kind of indication
of online clout, i suppose i could pull out my ridiculously long internet
resume, but i won't.

3)  i agree with twm...  basing your opinion of what knowledge people are
lacking on the questions you're being asked is a lot like basing the success
of boat travel by observing the titanic.  "obviously these things don't float
very well..."

and 4)  does your computer not come with punctuation or shift keys?  in your
vast two years of experience online, haven't you ever had any experiences
which have improved your text-only communication skills?  and it should be
pointed out that the use of obscure abbreviations only builds walls, rather
than communicating anythinng...

enough.  i'm going private now.

-graham

mark donajkowski wrote:

> on tue, 25 jan 2000, the wedgie monster® wrote:
>
> > folks.
> >
> > this topic should have been taken to private email by
> > now, but this really is too good for me to pass up:
> >
> > "ive been a geo cl for over 2 years and have been
> > helping in help chat longer then that so i have a
> > pretty broad base of people  ive helped and spoken to"
> >
> > twm is not sure what a "geo cl" is, but
>
> geo cl is geocities community leader
>
> > that would be like a paramedic saying (and this works
> > best if you imagine they have a mr. hankey voice)
> > "gosh, eveybody sure needs to be more careful - look
> > how they all keep hurting themselves."
> >
> > to labor the point:
> >
> > you base your opinion of the knowlege of the world at
> > large upon what people are you asking for help on.
> > this is, to use the correct statisticical term, 'a
> > crappy population sample'.
>
> no i base my opinion on what we were talking about not tthe world at large
>
> > why would anyone who is perfectly happy using pagemill
> > (or whatever)for creating wysiwyg web pages be asking
> > for your help help? and how, therefore, would you know
> > about them and be able to assimilate them into your worldview?
> >
> we constantly get folks  who use wysiwyg editors in geocities help chat
> asking how to do stuff  from page mill to front page to page builder
>
> they all have their problems

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<snip>


>on tue, 25 jan 2000, the wedgie monster® wrote:
>
>>
>> folks.
>>
>> this topic should have been taken to private email by
>> now, but this really is too good for me to pass up:
ditto, since i actually asked for dhtml tutorials..that's all - and someone
before mark wrote in suggested htmlgoodies.com, it is a really good
site..thanks.
>> "ive been a geo cl for over 2 years and have been
>> helping in help chat longer then that so i have a
>> pretty broad base of people  ive helped and spoken to"
>>
>> twm is not sure what a "geo cl" is, but:
>>
>
>geo cl is geocities community leader


and that shows you know html how? not to be a jerk, i have been coding html
before wysiwyg editors were invented, i can code in my sleep, i am not going
to debate which editor works best (like netscape's communicator myself, but
if i had enough time, i would try dreamweaver - it suppoesed to be the best
for dynamic stuff.) i haven't tried frontpage (though it looks good from the
pages i've seen.) and i personally abhor pagemill 2.0

i also won't bore you with my internet resume - i just find it completely
rediculous people have to such snots and "think" they know it all, i have a
great deal of experience - but i still pull out books when i am coding
something unfamiliar,

thanks for the personal emails - sorry i started a flame war, i'm damn glad
i haven't posted about other things presented to the list recently, or else
i'd be flamed forever...

i have all the information i could possibly use right now - thanks to this
list, i do have some sense of dhtml i couldn't figure out from the two books
i own (and i didn't get o'reilly's, tho i wish i did). i should have a
pretty good knowledge of what i need to know.

peace - and not another email about web editors - please!

mike r.
>> that would be like a paramedic saying (and this works
>> best if you imagine they have a mr. hankey voice)
>> "gosh, eveybody sure needs to be more careful - look
>> how they all keep hurting themselves."
>>
>> to labor the point:
>>
>> you base your opinion of the knowlege of the world at
>> large upon what people are you asking for help on.
>> this is, to use the correct statisticical term, 'a
>> crappy population sample'.
>>
>
>no i base my opinion on what we were talking about not tthe world at large
>
>
>> why would anyone who is perfectly happy using pagemill
>> (or whatever)for creating wysiwyg web pages be asking
>> for your help help? and how, therefore, would you know
>> about them and be able to assimilate them into your worldview?
>>
>we constantly get folks  who use wysiwyg editors in geocities help chat
>asking how to do stuff  from page mill to front page to page builder
>
>they all have their problems
>
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date:         tue, 25 jan 2000 13:29:11 -0500
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excuse me, since when was it rude to *want to sit down, have a descent view
and see the show*?

last year my friend fran and i were at nff both days early, not 4 am, but
they do let people with disabilities in to claim spots down front. you
know - we let basically every person we knew from the list that we could fit
on our tarp on - realizing - hey there were people who go to nff for every
artist - not just ig . yeah - i was taking pictures most of the festival -
but during the ig show i *needed to sit* as my legs were going into spasms.
and yes, i was completely rude to a guy who was standing in my view when i
was trying to take photos of wilco.  i also gave a woman a roll of pictures
i shot (she gave me the film ) of joan armetreading(i totally butchered her
name - sorry) i don't think that's exactly rudeness. people need to realize
not every festival is alike and after being to newport 4 times, it's a
completely different vibe (thankfully) to say, the guinness fleadh, and more
intense than the one world one heart festival in vermont ben and jerry's
puts on in june - one world was so relaxed comparatively, i did not even
have a view of the stage for mnost of one world - and it was not a big deal.
as for newport - we had an excellent rapore with the people around us both
days, we made sure they were sitted where they wanted to be - it gets
rediculous when there was a woman in 98 (not on this list, and believe me, i
did stuff in 98 to be yelled at) almost saying during ani's set "if your not
a woman - get in back of me - now i was there all day, who died and made
this woman security? so maybe i see your point - we had friends who shjowed
up late - we saved them additional space - people who asked to get infront
of me did - i neversaid no - i would be pissed if someone couldn't be
respectful enough to ask me before plopping in front ofg myline of view,
ect.

i mean, nff also a.llows caeras openly, that's a big deal if you're a
budding photographer...

i will quit ranting - and yes - it's snowing in maine...

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i usually lurk. i usually have nothing to say, but this whole nff thing is
provoking me.

i have been to the festival four times. the first year we got there late and
sat in the back. the next year we got there at about 8 am and had a decent
seat and view. the next year my crazy friends decided to take it up a notch,
and got there at 4 am to stand in line. i was with them, and i did it, but it
was hell and i was ready to kill the people trying to weeze their way up to
the snow fence at the end of the day, when i had been awake for 16 hours in
order to see ig at the end of the day, and had a 4 hour drive home that
night.

in 1998, after waiting all day in the sun and having some stupid little 16
year chippy decide that she could stand in front of me at the snow fence
univited and without asking for ani's set, because she felt like it, i
decided newport wasn't worth my aggravation anymore. my friends went this
past summer and i concluded that it would be unfair of me to show up at 10
and sit with them, after they had waited in line since 4 am, so i chose not
to attend at all.

you don't have to get to the show at 4 am if you don't care about sitting at
the fence. but for those who do choose that and want to make the effort, it
is totally rude and inconsiderate for others who have not put in the time to
think that you can simply "join them" for the ig set, after they sat for the
whole day in their place to be able to have that privilege at the end of the
day.

sorry. had to do it. couldn't let this conversation go. fair is fair, and ig
fans should know better.

-dani

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io20742 wrote:

> excuse me, since when was it rude to *want to sit down, have a descent view
> and see the show*?
>
> last year my friend fran and i were at nff both days early, not 4 am, but
> they do let people with disabilities in to claim spots down front. you
> know - we let basically every person we knew from the list that we could fit
> on our tarp on . . .

yes, i am a half crazed nut, in that i wasn't there at 4 am - but was there by 8
and was there for the great deluge when the heavens opened up (i just love
soaking wet undies, don't you?) . . . but because my gf has a bad back injury
and cannot run (to get a good seat) we ended up in the back of the field - still
had a wonderful time though - and thanks to mike and fran and bob's generosity,
we were invited by them to share their tarp for the ig set.  thank you mike.

elaine

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date:         tue, 25 jan 2000 12:04:56 -0800
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okay, community leaders and pugilists, it's been what? almost a month since
the last list outburst. i guess we're about due for a shpanking from admin.


>  >> this topic should have been taken to private email by
>  >> now, but this really is too good for me to pass up:
>  ditto, since i actually asked for dhtml tutorials..that's all - and
someone
>  before mark wrote in suggested htmlgoodies.com, it is a really good
>  site..thanks.

it's not necessarily a dhtml tutorial per se, but lorenz graf's htmltool is
fun to try out. it's shareware, but you can demo it for 30 days free. the
latest version comes complete with cold fusion tags. but i'm sure our
resident geo cl knows all about it and can provide us all with some hasty
generalizations.

ooh, i think i need to be shpanked for that last remark.  but first, lemme
pull my hanes out of my buttcrack. please god, don't let there be skid
marks...


>  >> twm is not sure what a "geo cl" is, but:
>  >>
>  >
>  >geo cl is geocities community leader

okay, and let me add some obligatory igc:

if amy and emily were html tags, what tags would they be?

-det. munch

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i spent my lunch hour today listening to the new acoustic cafe performance
(what a great way to make office life more stimulating!!).  one of the most
interesting sections was the interview segment after ozilline.  both emily
and amy discuss their views on the internet, specifically the plethora (had
to spell check that one!)  of ig related internet sites and discussions.
if you haven't had a chance to listen yet - do so soon!  i especially like
the new real audio high speed connection.  even with my crummy speakers, it
sounds terrific.

to echo all of the past kudos to tara for the bootleg offers...  i have
always wanted to hear some of the bootleg recordings, but alas, most of the
offers seem to revolve around trading....  of which i know nothing about
since i had yet to obtain any copies.  well, once i received tara's message
last week with all of the detailed instructions for obtaining any (or all)
of the three bootlegs, i jumped on the offer!  thank you, tara, for so
generously offering to make the discs for us novices to the bootleg
world!!!!  (btw - you will be receiving my three separate mailers
shortly... all without the jewel cases and any plastic wrap, in the
original cdr insert sleeve, taped and wrapped in yesterday's sacramento bee
comic section!).

thanks again,tara - the generosity of the folks on this list is absolutely
amazing.

carrie

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date:         tue, 25 jan 2000 17:22:47 -0500
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hi there,
moron question here, how does one record something from the internet, ie
acoustic cafe onto their hard drive?
any help?  please email me at
mbpost@attglobal.net

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date:         tue, 25 jan 2000 17:27:18 est
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hello!
i've been away from any internet access for awhile now and returned to 500
some new messages since i forgot to put the list on hold. oops. anyway, i
just read something about an acoustic cafe show. is this a new one, then?
did anyone get a tape of it who would be willing to trade? let me know!
thanks.
peace,
becky
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this is a long shot, i know, but does anyone have extra tix to the concert
at jmu on february 12th?  i would adore floor seats (and would pay more than
the price you paid for them) but anything better than the nosebleed seats i
can get at plan 9 here in charlottesville would be wonderful.  this is my
first concert in like 2 years and i want to be able to see!  thanks so much,

stephanie

stephanie merhar
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in a message dated 1/25/00 9:32:28 am central standard time,
shedyskin@aol.com writes:

> i plan to leave work at 3pm and head to the hob, does anyone know how long
> will it takes to get there from oak brook?

probably around 45 mins to an hour at that time of day.
my gf and i are also planning on getting in line early for this.......if
y'all wanted to meet, let's plan it.  have been on this list for months and
would love to meet you all.
that's also the weekend before my very special 20th/5th (don't ask) birthday,
so i really want to see this show.  hopefully it will be a little warmer than
it has been in this frozen city.
umm, should i plan on driving, or should i cta it?  advice?  this is an all
ages show/venue, correct?  and isn't rose polenzani planning at schuba's the
last  weekend in feb, too?

mel in chi-cah-go

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i've been to nff 3 times while the girls were there.  96, 98 & 99. last
year, my husband and i got there at about 7:30 or so.  we couldn't get
a water taxi until then.  we separated because bob had the cooler and
i got into the line without the coolers.  i got a really good spot up front for
the first time ever.  then the rain got much worse and bob just snapped.
he started ranting and raving about how he would never come back again,
yada, yada, yada.  so i took him back to the hotel and i was soaked to the
bone and shivering uncontrolably so i had to go back anyway and change.
i asked this group of really nice girls to hold my seat for me while i went back
and they did.
(if you're on this list, i don't know your names, but thank you from the bottom
of
my ticker).

when i think about it, i would have done the same thing or if someone just
happened
to show up late and asked me if i could squeeze a little room, i would
definitely do
it and i have.  i don't think those are the people we're talking about.  it's
those people
who just rush up to the sides and front of the stage last minute blocking the
views of
those who did come really early to stake their spot.  i mean, if i'm lucky to
get up
close and i have a little room to share, i'm happy to do it, but don't just bop
in front
of me without saying anything.  it's a matter of courtesy.  we're all there to
enjoy the
music - all of it - and its usually a beautiful day so we should all try to
enjoy it together
without trampling over eachother and fighting over that blessed space.

just my 3 1/2 cents.

boston is a total mess
have a great night
cathy

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on tue, 25 jan 2000, mary b. post wrote:
> moron question here, how does one record something from the internet, ie
> acoustic cafe onto their hard drive?

if you have windows, you might look to see if you have a recording device in
your entertainment or audio  package.  an alternative is to plug the imput
wire that normally hooks into your computer speakers into an audio jack on a
boom box and record it onto a cassette.

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more nigc.......

sorry everyone, but i wanted to let the atlanta area residents know that
cooper seay will be playing at eddie's attic this thursday (1/27).   alastor
and open fist will also be playing.  doors are at 8:00, cost is only $6.00.

cooper has some new material, and it's definitely going to be a great show!!
please come out and see her - you won't regret it!

thanks again!
=)
lisa

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hi everyone,

thought i'd pass this along...........

i'm not sure everyone knows this or not, but julie clark rejoined lift a few
months ago, and they've been playing some really great music in the atlanta
area again.   they have a new ep out, and have also recorded a new demo.
things are really looking up, as they have just been chosen as one of the top
10 best unsigned bands on billboard's talent net website.   it is quite an
honor!   of course, they would love to be #1, and need our help.    if you
want to check out the site, and vote for them, it would be really great.
you can connect directly to the billboard website at
http://www.billboardtalentnet.com/lift.

you can also hear some of their new music, order the new ep and check out the
tour dates (they'll be in nashville soon!) on their own website:
http://www.orangestar.com/lift.

they will be playing in east atlanta at the echo lounge this saturday night
at a benefit show for r.a.d.a.r. (a domestic abuse center).  lots of music
starting at 10:00 pm until 2:00 am.

thanks!
=)
lisa

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<<moron question here, how does one record something from the internet, ie
acoustic cafe onto their hard drive? any help?>>

not a moron question by any means - i figure more folks may be interested,
so to the list it goes:

you need a program called: x-fileget (you can probably get it at
www.download.com if not, email me).
using that you can save streaming real audio files (like the acoustic cafe
show, with .ram extentions) to your hard drive.

the sound files on my ig site are regular ra (just .ra extensions), you can
just right click and 'save link as', but streaming ra is a little more
complex...

any questions, ask me :o)

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neil, andi, andineil or thatcoolenglishguy @andineil.com
:o)

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at last igc, eh?

okay, i've finally gotten everything together and am ready to announce the
kmtt "on the mountain" interview cd boot tree.   this will be available in
both cd and tape formats.

here is the information on the cd:

track 1 - amy ray on kmtt - june 1, 1999
telephone interview

track 2 - indigo girls on kmtt - september 3, 1999
interview, peace tonight

track 3 - emily saliers on kmtt - november 9, 1999
telephone interview

track 4 - indigo girls on kmtt - november 12, 1999
private radio concert - taped at columbia city theater, seattle, wa
interview, gone again, peace tonight, go, get out the map

bonus
track 5 - indigo girls in studio c - radio 103.1 - november 4, 1999
interview, peace tonight, go

as usual, contact the person in charge of your birth month to work out
details of the trade.

for cd's trades only
hunterj1@aol.com (jude) - january/february
mbpost@ibm.net (mary) - march/april
bliss55@email.msn.com (leslie) - may/june
liltree@yahoo.com (lori ann) - july/august
kari@kariandsandy.com (kari) - september/october
neil@andineil.com (neil) - november/december

for tape trades only
natasha@aol.com - january/february/march/april
efbean@erols.com - may/june/july/august
hunterj1@aol.com - september/october/november/december

please email me with any questions.

thanks!
=)
lisa
(my last post for a while-promise!)

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this was in the recent issue of jmu's newspaper, the breeze.  the opinions
expressed here do not reflect my own:

http://breeze.jmu.edu/current/opinion/kristy.html

why can't guys enjoy girlie music
  by kristy woollum

breezereader's view


monday, january 24, 2000


as i beep the horn in front of my best friend's house, he meanders out at his
usual snail's pace. we're on our way to a movie, a new matt damon flick i think.
he jumps in the car, all smiles and pulls out of the driveway. it is a
beautiful, sunny day. certainly no cause for any kind of major alarm.

suddenly he begins to moan as i drive. he is thrashing around in the seat as if
he is being beaten. he puts his hands over his eyes and lets out a wail. i slow
the car and look at him incredulously. problems?

i finally ask him what the heck the problem is, only to have him answer, "it's
the music."

he proceeds to pretend to open the door and jump out of the moving car. "oh god,
i can't take it. it makes me want to jump off a bridge. how can you listen to
this crap? i can't deal with it . . ."

yada, yada, yada. as he goes into a five-minute description of why the music i
listen to sucks, i quietly turn off the cd, put the radio on and shake my head.

why can't the majority of guys dig girls' music?

indigo girls, tori amos, ani difranco, sarah mclachlan and natalie merchant are
all talented women of modern music. their music is slow, it's deep, intense.
what's the problem? it has perplexed me to the point where i have done a little
informal research on my own to discover the underlying reasons for men hating
girlie music.

some guys say the music doesn't make any sense. particularly the indigo girls.
guys find it difficult to follow emily and amy (they're the indigo girls, come
on now) spouting phrases about love, deception and obsession, all girls'
favorite topics. i will admit that some of the songs definitely need to be
listened to a couple of times before you get it, but so what? i didn't get "take
on me" on the first go around. there's something to be said for ear candy-type
music like the backstreet boys and every man's favorite, britney spears, but
honestly guys, listening and absorbing the complexity of some music is
satisfying in ways even britney can't imagine.

other guys point out that all female music is slow. even the fast songs don't
come close to "back that ass up," or whatever the trendy song of the time may
be. what does tempo have to do with song value anyway? nothing. guys have also
been heard to say that they don't like the topics of the songs. i played the
song "crucify" by tori amos for a guy friend and he said, "crucify? who is she
crucifying? is this a religious song? what the heck is she talking about?"

another guy felt that the women of music were bashing men. he thought the dixie
chicks' song "goodbye earl" was a little extreme. "they are talking about
killing a guy, how can i like that song?" he said. i tend to disagree. the man
featured in the song was not one that was simply picked from the streets. the
guy beat the life out of his wife in the song. as a good friend of the wounded
wife, i might have poisoned his black-eyed peas too.

guys' songs often times degrade women. not that i am a feminist in any sense,
but i don't exactly get a warm, fuzzy feeling when eazy e. sings "give me dat
nut."

needless to say, hating feminine music is guys' loss. maybe they don't realize
that girls love this music and therefore enjoy other people that can identify
with it. seeing the connection? this presents a perfect opportunity to increase
yourself as a babe magnet, fellas. just a little dating advice. if you cruise by
to pick up your love interest playing natalie merchant's "life is sweet," you
might just get yourself a second date.

this music does have merit, is worth listening to and implies at least a certain
amount of sensitivity. while some of it may be a little touchy-feely, it comes
from the heart. women are compassionate, emotional beings. why not sing about
it?

i would like to save face by saying that i know there are those boys, excuse me,
men out there who can appreciate music on the womanly side. i respect that
decision but would encourage you to open your minds.

an example of a girlie music-lovin' man is a good friend of mine. he is a fellow
duke and can totally jam with me to my tunes. he sings along with me as we
cruise down the road belting out phrases about our souls, being in love with
ghosts and being silent for years.

an important fact to note is that this friend of mine always has a girlfriend
and is known for being a sensitive, yet still tough, guy. he jams to outkast or
rage and can mellow out to womanly tunes. doesn't that sound better than
blasting the latest rap tunes nonstop with your buddies when you could be
cuddled up with your honey listening to jewel?

i don't know, maybe this is of no concern to those that hate the women of music.
and that's ok. continue to listen to your music and we'll listen to ours. i can
let loose to oldies or dmx, why don't all you guys give our girls a shot? maybe
you'll get into it, maybe not. at least now you'll think twice before
criticizing the music i hold dear.

kristy woollum is a junior smad major.

© 1998 the breeze and james madison university
comments & suggestions to: the_breeze@jmu.edu.
thanks.

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in a message dated 1/25/00 7:18:34 pm pacific standard time, creechal@jmu.edu
writes:

> this was in the recent issue of jmu's newspaper, the breeze.  the opinions
>  expressed here do not reflect my own:
>
>  http://breeze.jmu.edu/current/opinion/kristy.html
>
>  why can't guys enjoy girlie music
>    by kristy woollum
wow, this was one of the most sexist overgeneralizations i have ever read!


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   warning: if you have ever taken me seriously, you should stop reading
now...

> there's something to be said for ear candy-type music like the
> backstreet boys and every man's favorite, britney spears, but honestly
> guys, listening and absorbing the complexity of some music is satisfying
> in ways even britney can't imagine.

   bah!  real men(tm) like music that rocks.  we like bad ass guitars.  we
like hot chicks.
   couldst not shannon curfman eat that lip-synching spears lady (5 years
her senior) for breakfast, and still play bad ass guitar, while
rocking?  (aside: it is illegal, even in the midwest, to consider shannon
curfman a hot chick.  my poor, poor roommate...)
   aerosmith, in all their female-objectifying glory, rock.  they
have bad ass guitars.  however, much like with shannon curfman there are
no hot chicks in aerosmith.
   sarah mclachlan (possession aside), rarely rocks.  but she has bad ass
guitarists, and hot chicks, all in one band.  not only this, but there are
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many hot chicks in the audience, who are all rocking back and forth,
especially on the slow songs.  some of them hold lighters.  real men(tm)
are destructive.  we like fire.

   thus, sarah mclachlan is superior, by virtue of fulfilling more of the
things that real men(tm) like.  anybody who thinks different is logically
challenged, or not a real man(tm).

> another guy felt that the women of music were bashing men. he thought
> the dixie chicks' song "goodbye earl" was a little extreme. "they are
> talking about killing a guy, how can i like that song?" he said.

   this guy is also a <fabio> girly man </fabio>.  real men like
violence.  this is why we like football.  we like gratuitous sex.  this is
why we like pornography.  the dixie chicks believe that "earl had to
die" (violence), and they like "mattress dancin'" (gratuitous sex).  what
isn't there to like, if you're secure in your masculinity?

> guys' songs often times degrade women. not that i am a feminist in any sense,
> but i don't exactly get a warm, fuzzy feeling when eazy e. sings "give me dat
> nut."

   eazy e. is a <fabio> girly man </fabio> too.  if he were a real
man(tm), he would have multiple "dat nuts" of his own.

> this presents a perfect opportunity to increase yourself as a babe
> magnet, fellas. just a little dating advice. if you cruise by to pick up
> your love interest playing natalie merchant's "life is sweet," you
> might just get yourself a second date.

   she's not worth dating if she doesn't like old maniacs stuff.  real
men(tm) think rob buck is one cool dude.

   darius (who should go to bed now...)

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if anyone is able to copy the ig shows on acoustic cafe onto cd-roms, please
let me know, as my @%#&@ old computer can't do it...thank you!
--pax
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someone wrote...
<< subject: nff blanket rudeness

excuse me, since when was it rude to *want to sit down, have a descent view
and see the show*? >>

ok so i am assuming that it is me being flamed so i am responding...i do not
think it is rude to want to sit down and watch a show (and that is not what i
said...) however, i do think it is rude to spread out a blanket (not a
sweatshirt, not even a large towel, but a blanket...) and then expect people
not to stand on it when there is plenty of room next to them (i am not even
advocating blocking anyone's view here). i have been to plenty of general
admission shows and the general (note: general - broadsweeping  stereotype
based on my personal experience) vibe i get is that people spread out a
blanket and that means they own that spot of land and everyone else can go to
hell.

the people that my sister and i ran into had a large space around them and
basically told us to fuck off since they had been there since 6am. yeehaw.
let's have a love-in. i had a shitty day and missed half the show so fuck me,
i didn't deserve to see any of it. you're absolutely right.

general admission shows are an entirely different thing than reserved
seating. yeah, i get pissy when people don't want to dance and stand at
shows, but i usually flow with the crowd - if people behind me are sitting
then i sit so everyone can see..if they are standing then dammit, i'm gonna
stand. the newport folk festival is also an entirely different animal - and
what we are specifically talking about here. i do not believe there is any
room anywhere near that stage to expect to sit and be able to see - at least,
not for the last three acts. as i expressed in my original post, this venue
is very very crowded...

if you don't want me to stand on your blanket, i can tell you where to put
it...

:p
lisa

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okay folks, once again, i just can't resist (and you would've heard from me
sooner if i wasn't so freakin' busy). this woman with the big blanket at nff
98 who was up front and being pissy...guess what...she was super nice to me
and my mom. the thing is, we got there a little late (due to accidental
sleeping in), just before the first act finished. during intermission we
walked up to a teeny tiny spot next to her and asked if we could sqeeze in.
she was like sure thing, here, join us. i think the key here, which some have
mentioned, it that you have to ask not just take and you have to respect those
who were there already. if she had told us to fuck off that would have been
fine since we were the late ones who didn't put in the time or have someone
specifically holding a space for us. it was totally rude when people started
filtering up before ani came on and didn't ask if they could stand in front of
us, they just did it and acted like the space was theirs. if they had asked, i
think a lot of people would have been a whole lot happier.
-m. sam (who was ever so glad to see that some college chica writing a piece
on women's music has to make sure and say she is not in any way a
feminist...heaven forbid we should think she wanted to be taken seriously)

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gee, you sound like a really lovely person to sit/stand next to.  are you by
any chance, pmsing or are you just an english major?


on wed, 26 jan 2000, lisa r wrote:

> someone wrote...
> << subject: nff blanket rudeness
>
>  excuse me, since when was it rude to *want to sit down, have a descent view
>  and see the show*? >>
>
> ok so i am assuming that it is me being flamed so i am responding...i do not
> think it is rude to want to sit down and watch a show (and that is not what i
> said...) however, i do think it is rude to spread out a blanket (not a
> sweatshirt, not even a large towel, but a blanket...) and then expect people
> not to stand on it when there is plenty of room next to them (i am not even
> advocating blocking anyone's view here). i have been to plenty of general
> admission shows and the general (note: general - broadsweeping  stereotype
> based on my personal experience) vibe i get is that people spread out a
> blanket and that means they own that spot of land and everyone else can go to
> hell.
>
> the people that my sister and i ran into had a large space around them and
> basically told us to fuck off since they had been there since 6am. yeehaw.
> let's have a love-in. i had a shitty day and missed half the show so fuck me,
> i didn't deserve to see any of it. you're absolutely right.
>
> general admission shows are an entirely different thing than reserved
> seating. yeah, i get pissy when people don't want to dance and stand at
> shows, but i usually flow with the crowd - if people behind me are sitting
> then i sit so everyone can see..if they are standing then dammit, i'm gonna
> stand. the newport folk festival is also an entirely different animal - and
> what we are specifically talking about here. i do not believe there is any
> room anywhere near that stage to expect to sit and be able to see - at least,
> not for the last three acts. as i expressed in my original post, this venue
> is very very crowded...
>
> if you don't want me to stand on your blanket, i can tell you where to put
> it...
>
> :p
> lisa
>
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in a message dated 1/25/00 11:34:14 pm pacific standard time, 115_17@asu.edu
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> gee, you sound like a really lovely person to sit/stand next to.  are you by
>  any chance, pmsing or are you just an english major
i hope you are not serious. as an english major, i can tell you that the post
to which you are referring is full of grammatical mistakes as well as syntax
errors, etc.

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i need two  tickets i will pay you for your time to help out a fellow ig
person. also can someone explain the afternoon q&a schedule to me? i've
heard so many different things i don't know what time is for what event

you can e-mail me privately
thanks:))))
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>from: anna creech <creechal@jmu.edu>
>
>this was in the recent issue of jmu's newspaper, the breeze.  the opinions
>expressed here do not reflect my own:
>
>why can't guys enjoy girlie music
>  by kristy woollum
>
>he proceeds to pretend to open the door and jump out of the moving car. "oh
god,
>i can't take it. it makes me want to jump off a bridge. how can you listen to
>this crap? i can't deal with it . . ."
>
>yada, yada, yada. as he goes into a five-minute description of why the music i
>listen to sucks, i quietly turn off the cd, put the radio on and shake my head.


translation: "his taste does not match mine and therefore is invalid."

>why can't the majority of guys dig girls' music?


"can't" assumes that they want to (or "should") in the first place.

>indigo girls, tori amos, ani difranco, sarah mclachlan and natalie merchant are
>all talented women of modern music. their music is slow, it's deep, intense.
>what's the problem?

she just answered her own question.  she assumes that "slow, deep and intense"
are intrinsically positive values, universal to all.  guess again.

>some guys say the music doesn't make any sense. particularly the indigo girls.
>guys find it difficult to follow emily and amy (they're the indigo girls, come
>on now) spouting phrases about love, deception and obsession, all girls'
>favorite topics. i will admit that some of the songs definitely need to be
>listened to a couple of times before you get it, but so what?

again, if a guy says he doesn't want difficult-to-listen-to music, she has
decided that's invalid.  geez, amy herself has said she doesn't know what some
of her songs mean.

>i didn't get "take
>on me" on the first go around. there's something to be said for ear candy-type
>music like the backstreet boys and every man's favorite, britney spears, but
>honestly guys, listening and absorbing the complexity of some music is
>satisfying in ways even britney can't imagine.


satisfying for her, but not for everyone.  but, again, anyone whose taste
doesn't match hers is invalid.

>other guys point out that all female music is slow. even the fast songs don't
>come close to "back that ass up," or whatever the trendy song of the time may
>be. what does tempo have to do with song value anyway? nothing.

"nothing" to her.  obviously, something to others.

>another guy felt that the women of music were bashing men. he thought the dixie
>chicks' song "goodbye earl" was a little extreme. "they are talking about
>killing a guy, how can i like that song?" he said. i tend to disagree. the man
>featured in the song was not one that was simply picked from the streets. the
>guy beat the life out of his wife in the song. as a good friend of the wounded
>wife, i might have poisoned his black-eyed peas too.


just because a song tells a specific story doesn't mean it's not misanthropic.
(by the way, i've never heard this song.)  was there anything misanthropic about
the movie "thelma and louise", or was it just a story with a few specific bad
guys?

>guys' songs often times degrade women. not that i am a feminist in any sense,
>but i don't exactly get a warm, fuzzy feeling when eazy e. sings "give me dat
>nut."


she offers no definition of "guys' songs".  if the definition is "songs that
appeal mostly to men" that covers lots of territory, including things that have
no particular sexual topic.  how many women like "rush" compared to men?

>needless to say, hating feminine music is guys' loss.

because?

>maybe they don't realize
>that girls love this music and therefore enjoy other people that can identify
>with it. seeing the connection? this presents a perfect opportunity to increase
>yourself as a babe magnet, fellas. just a little dating advice. if you cruise
by
>to pick up your love interest playing natalie merchant's "life is sweet," you
>might just get yourself a second date.


translation: "it is the man's responsibility to adjust to the taste of the
woman."

>this music does have merit, is worth listening to and implies at least a
certain
>amount of sensitivity. while some of it may be a little touchy-feely, it comes
>from the heart. women are compassionate, emotional beings. why not sing about
>it?


but why "must" guys like it?  she's defining qualities that she says belong to
all women.  what if those qualities do not belong to all men?  why, then, (by
her premise) must the men go against their nature in order to appreciate
something alien to them?

>an example of a girlie music-lovin' man is a good friend of mine. he is a
fellow
>duke and can totally jam with me to my tunes. he sings along with me as we
>cruise down the road belting out phrases about our souls, being in love with
>ghosts and being silent for years.


she left out the part where she jams to his metallica tapes while they both play
air guitar.

>an important fact to note is that this friend of mine always has a girlfriend
>and is known for being a sensitive, yet still tough, guy. he jams to outkast or
>rage and can mellow out to womanly tunes. doesn't that sound better than
>blasting the latest rap tunes nonstop with your buddies when you could be
>cuddled up with your honey listening to jewel?


why is listening to jewel better than listening to outkast?  she's describing a
scenario where men like one style of music and women like another style and only
finds fault with the men for not being flexible.

>i don't know, maybe this is of no concern to those that hate the women of
music.
>and that's ok. continue to listen to your music and we'll listen to ours. i can
>let loose to oldies or dmx, why don't all you guys give our girls a shot? maybe
>you'll get into it, maybe not. at least now you'll think twice before
>criticizing the music i hold dear.


i almost want to think this column was a put-on, but i suspect, sadly, that's
it's all too sincere.

people never seem to appreciate how segregated the existences they lead are.  i
can think of so many cases i know of of whites who rarely associate with blacks,
blacks who rarely interact with whites, straights who won't deal with gays, gays
who'd rather spend most of their time away from straights, men who spend most of
their time with their male friends, and women with their female friends.
everybody wants to claim that "it's only natural" for people to prefer to "be
with their own kind".  then they turn right around and complain, "why can't they
appreciate/understand us?"  geez.  being open is a two-way street.

there is no "us" and there is no "them".

ron
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interesting op-ed piece.  i guess my frustration (being a guy who "discovered" tori
and ig long before most of the rest of the planet, or so it feels...) is that there
are artificial lines being drawn between "guy music" and "girl music," none of
which, imho, should exist at all!  i listen to what i listen to because it speaks
to me on some level.  that includes aretha franklin (the original strong woman's
music maker), chemical bros, pearl jam, and indigo girls.  why should i draw lines
and say, "i won't listen to that, because it's girl music?"

and the frustration only grows when the lines continue to be drawn, over and over,
even by those who would encourage crossing the lines.  repeatedly in this article,
there's no mention made that, perhaps music is just music and it all deserves some
kind of merit.  instead, it's "girls" this and "boys" that...

let's move beyond these labels.  they only build walls, often faster than we can
work to bring them down.  if the music speaks, listen.  regardless of the
"category."

-graham

anna creech wrote:

> this was in the recent issue of jmu's newspaper, the breeze.  the opinions
> expressed here do not reflect my own:
>
> http://breeze.jmu.edu/current/opinion/kristy.html
>
> why can't guys enjoy girlie music
>   by kristy woollum
>
> breezereader's view
>
> monday, january 24, 2000
>
> as i beep the horn in front of my best friend's house, he meanders out at his
> usual snail's pace. we're on our way to a movie, a new matt damon flick i think.
> he jumps in the car, all smiles and pulls out of the driveway. it is a
> beautiful, sunny day. certainly no cause for any kind of major alarm.
>
> suddenly he begins to moan as i drive. he is thrashing around in the seat as if
> he is being beaten. he puts his hands over his eyes and lets out a wail. i slow
> the car and look at him incredulously. problems?
>
> i finally ask him what the heck the problem is, only to have him answer, "it's
> the music."
>
> he proceeds to pretend to open the door and jump out of the moving car. "oh god,
> i can't take it. it makes me want to jump off a bridge. how can you listen to
> this crap? i can't deal with it . . ."
>
> yada, yada, yada. as he goes into a five-minute description of why the music i
> listen to sucks, i quietly turn off the cd, put the radio on and shake my head.
>
> why can't the majority of guys dig girls' music?
>
> indigo girls, tori amos, ani difranco, sarah mclachlan and natalie merchant are
> all talented women of modern music. their music is slow, it's deep, intense.
> what's the problem? it has perplexed me to the point where i have done a little
> informal research on my own to discover the underlying reasons for men hating
> girlie music.
>
> some guys say the music doesn't make any sense. particularly the indigo girls.
> guys find it difficult to follow emily and amy (they're the indigo girls, come
> on now) spouting phrases about love, deception and obsession, all girls'
> favorite topics. i will admit that some of the songs definitely need to be
> listened to a couple of times before you get it, but so what? i didn't get "take
> on me" on the first go around. there's something to be said for ear candy-type
> music like the backstreet boys and every man's favorite, britney spears, but
> honestly guys, listening and absorbing the complexity of some music is
> satisfying in ways even britney can't imagine.
>
> other guys point out that all female music is slow. even the fast songs don't
> come close to "back that ass up," or whatever the trendy song of the time may
> be. what does tempo have to do with song value anyway? nothing. guys have also
> been heard to say that they don't like the topics of the songs. i played the
> song "crucify" by tori amos for a guy friend and he said, "crucify? who is she
> crucifying? is this a religious song? what the heck is she talking about?"
>
> another guy felt that the women of music were bashing men. he thought the dixie
> chicks' song "goodbye earl" was a little extreme. "they are talking about
> killing a guy, how can i like that song?" he said. i tend to disagree. the man
> featured in the song was not one that was simply picked from the streets. the
> guy beat the life out of his wife in the song. as a good friend of the wounded
> wife, i might have poisoned his black-eyed peas too.
>
> guys' songs often times degrade women. not that i am a feminist in any sense,
> but i don't exactly get a warm, fuzzy feeling when eazy e. sings "give me dat
> nut."
>
> needless to say, hating feminine music is guys' loss. maybe they don't realize
> that girls love this music and therefore enjoy other people that can identify
> with it. seeing the connection? this presents a perfect opportunity to increase
> yourself as a babe magnet, fellas. just a little dating advice. if you cruise by
> to pick up your love interest playing natalie merchant's "life is sweet," you
> might just get yourself a second date.
>
> this music does have merit, is worth listening to and implies at least a certain
> amount of sensitivity. while some of it may be a little touchy-feely, it comes
> from the heart. women are compassionate, emotional beings. why not sing about
> it?
>
> i would like to save face by saying that i know there are those boys, excuse me,
> men out there who can appreciate music on the womanly side. i respect that
> decision but would encourage you to open your minds.
>
> an example of a girlie music-lovin' man is a good friend of mine. he is a fellow
> duke and can totally jam with me to my tunes. he sings along with me as we
> cruise down the road belting out phrases about our souls, being in love with
> ghosts and being silent for years.
>
> an important fact to note is that this friend of mine always has a girlfriend
> and is known for being a sensitive, yet still tough, guy. he jams to outkast or
> rage and can mellow out to womanly tunes. doesn't that sound better than
> blasting the latest rap tunes nonstop with your buddies when you could be
> cuddled up with your honey listening to jewel?
>
> i don't know, maybe this is of no concern to those that hate the women of music.
> and that's ok. continue to listen to your music and we'll listen to ours. i can
> let loose to oldies or dmx, why don't all you guys give our girls a shot? maybe
> you'll get into it, maybe not. at least now you'll think twice before
> criticizing the music i hold dear.
>
> kristy woollum is a junior smad major.
>
> © 1998 the breeze and james madison university
> comments & suggestions to: the_breeze@jmu.edu.
> thanks.
>
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yesterday froglady wrote:

"it was totally rude when people started filtering up before ani came on and
didn't ask if they could stand in front of us, they just did it and acted like
the space was theirs. if they had asked, i
think a lot of people would have been a whole lot happier."

that's what i mean.  most people if they had the room would try to make a space
for you if you just
ask, if you are just one or two people (not a group of eight).  and if i had to
say no to someone (not
sure i would), i wouldn't say  #$%& off, i would probably say no, i don't have
enough room, ask
someone else, or something like that, but try to be pleasant (if that's
possible) about it. i think if
someone had said that to me, it would have ruined my whole day.

but then again, if someone rushes in front of you, that's another story.

take care
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i was introduced to the "whiny girl music" genre by a guy friend when i was
17 or so.  he's completely responsible for my "discovery" of shawn colvin,
the indigo girls, tori, dar williams, jonatha brooke, melissa ferrick,
nancy griffith etc. etc.   i was a teenager in a small town before the age
of the internet... there wasn't any such thing as a local music store or a
web page of "stuff like....", and without him i would've stuck with
classical music permanently.

so much for a gender thing.

-s

at 09:38 am 1/26/2000 , you wrote:
>interesting op-ed piece.  i guess my frustration (being a guy who
>"discovered" tori
>and ig long before most of the rest of the planet, or so it feels...) is
>that there
>are artificial lines being drawn between "guy music" and "girl music," none of
>which, imho, should exist at all!  i listen to what i listen to because it
>speaks
>to me on some level.  that includes aretha franklin (the original strong
>woman's
>music maker), chemical bros, pearl jam, and indigo girls.  why should i
>draw lines
>and say, "i won't listen to that, because it's girl music?"
>
>and the frustration only grows when the lines continue to be drawn, over
>and over,
>even by those who would encourage crossing the lines.  repeatedly in this
>article,
>there's no mention made that, perhaps music is just music and it all
>deserves some
>kind of merit.  instead, it's "girls" this and "boys" that...
>
>let's move beyond these labels.  they only build walls, often faster than
>we can
>work to bring them down.  if the music speaks, listen.  regardless of the
>"category."
>
>-graham

stephanie davidson
electronic services/reference librarian
the ohio state university college of law
moritz law library
(614) 292-9421
davidson.159@osu.edu

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sheesh that was nice wasnt it
whats the deal with the list as of late everyones go ttyhere lighters out
looking for something to flame

on wed, 26 jan 2000, vivo de milagro wrote:

> gee, you sound like a really lovely person to sit/stand next to.  are you by
> any chance, pmsing or are you just an english major?
>
>
> on wed, 26 jan 2000, lisa r wrote:
>
> > someone wrote...
> > << subject: nff blanket rudeness
> >
> >  excuse me, since when was it rude to *want to sit down, have a descent view
> >  and see the show*? >>
> >
> > ok so i am assuming that it is me being flamed so i am responding...i do not
> > think it is rude to want to sit down and watch a show (and that is not what i
> > said...) however, i do think it is rude to spread out a blanket (not a
> > sweatshirt, not even a large towel, but a blanket...) and then expect people
> > not to stand on it when there is plenty of room next to them (i am not even
> > advocating blocking anyone's view here). i have been to plenty of general
> > admission shows and the general (note: general - broadsweeping  stereotype
> > based on my personal experience) vibe i get is that people spread out a
> > blanket and that means they own that spot of land and everyone else can go to
> > hell.
> >
> > the people that my sister and i ran into had a large space around them and
> > basically told us to fuck off since they had been there since 6am. yeehaw.
> > let's have a love-in. i had a shitty day and missed half the show so fuck me,
> > i didn't deserve to see any of it. you're absolutely right.
> >
> > general admission shows are an entirely different thing than reserved
> > seating. yeah, i get pissy when people don't want to dance and stand at
> > shows, but i usually flow with the crowd - if people behind me are sitting
> > then i sit so everyone can see..if they are standing then dammit, i'm gonna
> > stand. the newport folk festival is also an entirely different animal - and
> > what we are specifically talking about here. i do not believe there is any
> > room anywhere near that stage to expect to sit and be able to see - at least,
> > not for the last three acts. as i expressed in my original post, this venue
> > is very very crowded...
> >
> > if you don't want me to stand on your blanket, i can tell you where to put
> > it...
> >
> > :p
> > lisa
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date:         wed, 26 jan 2000 09:27:02 -0700
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everyone sit back, take a deep breath, and remember .... it's winter and we
all have cabin fever!

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<<<gee, you sound like a really lovely person to sit/stand next to.  are you by
any chance, pmsing or are you just an english major?>>>

both honey :) and if i was really a bitch, i would've ragged (note: pun) on that person's spelling...or lack thereof...

anyway, let's just drop this whole fucking newport thing. so sorry i responded in the first fucking place...next time i'll be the one asking politely if i may possibly, maybe please, sit on your blanket??

btw gram ;) i'll be mailing your tapes tomorrow probably..i still have to finish the second tape...(of course, you may have to let me sit on your blanket...)

:p lisa

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i've somehow lost the number to call for tickets to the feb 17th u conn
show, and i'd really appreciate it if someone could e-mail it to me
privately.
thanks so much!
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ron mcbay <usul@mindspring.com> wrote:
<big snip>
there is no "us" and there is no "them".
~~

sadly, there is. the funny thing is, the them concept is a major theme is my
(earlier)writing, as well as in many young writers work. for some odd reason,
many young people have a me-against-the-universe attitude. teen angst, nobody
understands me syndrome, etc. those faceless they are a very powerful force in
a young persons life.

however, one would think that by her junior year of college, she would have
abandoned that somewhat immature attitude. apparently not.

waxing pointlessly eloquent as always,
meredith

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> > not that i am a feminist in any sense,

oh, thank goodness.  for a minute there we thought you wanted equality, and rights
on the job, etc..  one less woman to demand equal treatment.  phew.

god, it pisses me off to no end when women insist that they are not feminists.

elaine

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hear, hear!  i'm not sure why anyone would utter such a statement, unless
it was simply a poor choice of words.  i, for instance, would not consider
myself an activist in any sense.   well, except for the fact that i'll
stand up for myself if someone's oppressing me personally, but i can't
claim to be out there fighting for anything.  i don't want to speculate on
what the original poster meant, but i'm willing to grant that there might
be an explanation.

-s


at 01:05 pm 1/26/2000 -0500, elaine bean wrote:
> > > not that i am a feminist in any sense,
>
>oh, thank goodness.  for a minute there we thought you wanted equality,
>and rights
>on the job, etc..  one less woman to demand equal treatment.  phew.
>
>god, it pisses me off to no end when women insist that they are not feminists.
>
>elaine
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for god's sake people be nice

just because some of you may think that the list hasn't had a major
throw-down in the past ### months doesn't mean that there is call for one.

don't make me get my flying monkeys

nan

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> i'm willing to grant that there might
> be an explanation.

sure, you're right, there probably is an explanation.  i'll bet she probably meant
that she wasn't an active, vocal activist.  or maybe she really likes inequality.
or, maybe she thinks things are just hunky dory the way they are and . . . .  who
knows?  but my point is that the simple act of  embracing feminist ideals (equality
in every area) etc. etc., etc.) make you a feminist!  whether you like that title
or not!  men can be feminists too, and many are.

> at 01:05 pm 1/26/2000 -0500, elaine bean wrote:

> > > > not that i am a feminist in any sense,
> >
> >oh, thank goodness.  for a minute there we thought you wanted equality,
> >and rights
> >on the job, etc..  one less woman to demand equal treatment.  phew.
> >
> >god, it pisses me off to no end when women insist that they are not feminists.
> >
> >elaine
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ok i kept my mouth shut as long as i could i have gone the last two years
and first year got up early headed over and got ok seats ....but when ani
came on wepacked our stuff up and stood we sat the whole day and we felt
"why get stuff trampled on and why yell at people when they just want to see
a better look at ani and the girls....?" the next year i ended up not
getting there til a tad bit later due to havng to come down from nh so we
still got there early but i guess i was one of those annoying people cuz i
moved up close for the last 3 acts ....some people behind us made us squat
the first two but a group of girls i bonded with decided we wanted to see
the girls and dance ......we stood .... i think the indigo girls wouldthink
theres something wrong if we all sat ..... and by the end of the day im
ready to dance .... and i know next year it will be get there super early
get a good seat and when it comes time fold up the stuff and stand so others
can fit.
thats just me tho....
-jess


if you don't want me to stand on your blanket, i can tell you where to put
it...
(a lil more blunt than me but rock on lisa)
:p
lisa

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hey - sorry i've been snowed in a while and had no access to the list mail,
but when i got to work today, i was greeted with such nice and kind words
from y'all, that i have to say thanks.  doing all these bootlegs has been
very rewarding emotionally due to the kind responses of those of you who are
getting to hear these treasures.  i deeply appreciate all the support and
offers of help from many of you and the kind little thoughtful surprises
many of you are sending with your request packs - it's like a box of
chocolates... i never know what i'm gonna get. :)

i counted this morning, and the tally in my effort since i started this
madness follows:

9:30 club - 198 discs
montreal '94 + r1live - 2 discs (hey, we're just starting this one, right?)
shades - 58 discs
early recordings - 168 discs

that totals to 420 discs.  wow.  even i didn't know it was that many.  when
i reach 500, we're throwing a little virtual e-party.  think about how many
people won't profit and steal from the girls, due to your participation and
honoring of your contracts!

thanks everyone for making my new hobby such a gratifying one.

tara

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actually, i was being facetious.  i was referring to the original poster's
inclination toward "colorful" or "four-letter words" to express herself. not
from: "l-soft list server at netspace.org (1.8d)" <listserv@netspace.org>
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date: sat, 5 feb 2000 16:13:50 -0500

that i am bent on policing another's language, but sometimes one's choice of
language can detract from what they are really trying to say about themselves.

on wed, 26 jan 2000 emilyraliers@aol.com wrote:

> in a message dated 1/25/00 11:34:14 pm pacific standard time, 115_17@asu.edu
> writes:
>
> > gee, you sound like a really lovely person to sit/stand next to.  are you by
> >  any chance, pmsing or are you just an english major
> i hope you are not serious. as an english major, i can tell you that the post
> to which you are referring is full of grammatical mistakes as well as syntax
> errors, etc.
>

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(i think elaine bean wrote:

>>sure, you're right, there probably is an explanation.  i'll bet she
>>probably meant
that she wasn't an active, vocal activist.  or maybe she really likes
inequality.
or, maybe she thinks things are just hunky dory the way they are and . . .
.  who
knows?  but my point is that the simple act of  embracing feminist ideals
(equality
in every area) etc. etc., etc.) make you a feminist!  whether you like that
title
or not!  men can be feminists too, and many are.

god, i wish someone would explain that to my girlfriend. she refuses to
self-identify as a feminist even though it is perfectly clear that she
is!!!! every view she espouses is clearly feminist yet she will not accept
the label. i know labeling is not necc. a good thing but in this case it is
important that women (and men) take back the word feminist which has been
mega subverted by anti-feminists! and now i'm late for italian....
"women are the ones held to be responsible in general, but instead of not
holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
                        --amy ray

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sorry if that last post was confusing. i said all of that, not amy ray. my
tag line should be a bit lower i guess. now i'm really late for italian...

.
"women are the ones held to be responsible in general, but instead of not
holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
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moj, if you get this, email me privately...sorry folks for using the list as
an answering machine....haven't talked to this girl in two years and i was
away from the computer when she was frantically trying to get  my
attention....anywhooo...long story...
email me moj! :)
laters,
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i, for one, am extremely thankful that the feminist movement encourages
individuals to interact outside the traditional *me tarzan, you jane*
realm...

interestingly enough, the single thing that contributed most to the
deterioration of my second marriage was our differences regarding feminist
and humanist issues - i was the one on the left...

tim
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wisdom is not truth; truth is not beauty;
beauty is not love; love is not music;
music is the best..." (frank zappa)

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> my point is that the simple act of  embracing feminist ideals (equality
> in every area) etc. etc., etc.) make you a feminist!  whether
> you like that title or not!  men can be feminists too, and many are.

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funny that you noticed that too.  i was kind of scanning the post and i was
like, "what?  amy ray!"  i had to scroll back up to see the from address and
then realized what happened.  i bet lots of people on the list had a
momentary/split second heart attack.

>sorry if that last post was confusing. i said all of that, not amy ray. my
>tag line should be a bit lower i guess. now i'm really late for italian...
>>.
>"women are the ones held to be responsible in general, but instead of not
>holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
>                         --amy ray

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i love you folks! the flooding response of tourist sites, i'm going to have
to quit my job and move to atlanta just see them all! (hmmm.....) okay,
reality check....
i'll quote audrey hepburn "you were a dahling to help, i could have never
done it without you" (bat)
y'all rawk!
can i ask one thing? turn on your heaters and melt that snow that i'm seeing
on the weather channel! (squeek! *gulp*) i wrecked my car on an ice patch 3
years ago and i'm terrified of temperatures below 40. or at least light a
candle or something that it'll be melted by valentine's day! :) otherwise
i'll be the idiot driving 20 mph in a 65mph area....

have a great day everyone :)
-earthgrrl

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hey i was just wondering if any one had more info about the rochester show?
could someone please direct me to information about on sale dates, venue,
times, etc?
thanks!
mary

  work like you don't need money,
  love like you've never been hurt,
  sing like no one hears you,
  and dance like no one's looking.

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come on! fork 'em over folks....
serously, though...just sorted through 167 emails, and i'm like three weeks
behind everything...
what's up with the window clings?

thank the gods for the digest option,
earthgrrl

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*throwing up arms in a "touchdown" symbol* i'm done! all 167 emails are
goooooone....
anyway, my point....i got to thinking about the ig moments that have
precariously popped up on the list....

i was in austin a couple of weeks ago just puttering around doing the
automobile version of a walk-about until my friend got off of work. i had
ozilline cranked on the stereo with the window rolled down, arm out the
window, etc. and i stop at this light to turn the corner. low and behold
there is this black pickup in front of me with two girls in it with an indigo
girls sticker on the bottom left hand of the back windshield with a peace
sign on it. i just had to grin....so if you're on the list, hey there! ;)
-earthgrrl

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one of my friends who works tech just told me he snagged amy's setlist from
the bloomington show and is going to give it to me... happy happy joy joy!!

e.d.m.

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i know someone out there must have copies of the following shows:

chicago 11/16/97 - rosemont theater
tinley park 8/9/97 - lilith fair
minneapolis 12/4/99

i've got a bunch to trade! i'm also looking for a really super cool
version of chickenman (with soc) on cd... i know, that's a tall order,
but if you have one, please please please let me know!

my boot list is at:

http://www.netuser.com/~aswenson, and then click on the link to "boots".

thanks, and have a good rest of your wednesday!

love,
amy

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date:         thu, 27 jan 2000 10:33:28 +1100
reply-to:     sherlyn koo <sherlyn@fl.net.au>
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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list but is more appropriate
for here instead... please direct any questions to joe at
folk_rock@yahoo.com, not to me, thanks.

-sherlyn

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>date: mon, 24 jan 2000 22:15:41 -0800 (pst)
>from: "joe p. shenk" <folk_rock@yahoo.com>
>subject: invitation to new indigo-girls-related list community
>
>     hi , all  .
>
>     i've created a new e-mail list community for those interested in a
>varied discussion of our great singer-songwriter  " friends "  like the
>indigo girls .  i'd like to invite everyone to consider joining .
>
>     this community will serve the purpose of hosting an on-going
>discussion of  sensitive  alternative , and folk-rock  music  and musicians
>, emphasizing the following  artists / singer-songwriters / groups :
>
>     jewel , natalie merchant , tracy chapman , the indigo girls , alanis
>morissette , sarah mclachlan , lisa loeb , paula cole , the cranberries ,
>tori amos , joan osborne , suzanne vega , shawn colvin , the corrs , no
>doubt , the cardigans , melissa etheridge , sixpence none the richer ,  u2
>, r.e.m. , collective soul , live , creed , eric clapton , dishwalla ,
>duncan sheik , jars of clay , gin blossoms , toad the wet sprocket , cake ,
>everlast , bush , matchbox 20 , etc.
>
>  as bits of information become available , posts of news or announcements
>regarding this genre of music , these artists , and public appearances and
>new releases from the above groups and ones very similar , may be passed on
>to the list .
>
>     this community will be especially
>focused on the  over-all  good , positive  impact  that many of these
>artists seek to have on the world , through their lives , music , and
>causes they support , and where all of that intersects with what list
>members are doing themselves , in their own lives and communities , or the
>world as a whole .
>
>     moderate  faith-based  contributions to the list are  welcome .
>
>     to join our community , go to :
>
>http://www.onelist.com/community/folk-rock
>
> and sign up .
>
>     for those without internet access , subscribe using this method :
>
>send a blank e-mail to :
>
>     folk-rock-subscribe@onelist.com
>
>   for more information , write me .
>
>        welcome !
>                      --joe
>
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hi all - i'd like to save a copy of the ig performance on acoustic
café - does anyone know how to capture a realaudio stream on a mac?
all the nifty programs out there that  do this all seem to be for
windows.
thanks!
barbara

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hey!

i have a question.  what time would y'all reccommend arriving at the house of blues for the ig show?

:-) karen


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wow... i'm so glad i don't live in the same reality as this girl...
stereotypeville isn't even a nice place to visit... why would anyone
ever want to live there?


> why can't guys enjoy girlie music
>   by kristy woollum

and it begins... because, of course, all women appreciate the same type
of music... and no men ever do or can... sure must come as a surprise to
my old roommate, who only liked one musical group with a female lead
singer (save ferris)... and to the men on this list...


> indigo girls, tori amos, ani difranco, sarah mclachlan and natalie merchant are
> all talented women of modern music. their music is slow, it's deep, intense.
> what's the problem? it has perplexed me to the point where i have done a little
> informal research on my own to discover the underlying reasons for men hating
> girlie music.

ah... so all women who make music make slow, deep, intense music... what
about the butchies... or melissa etheridge... or hell, even some of
amy's stuff??? it may often be intense, but it's definitely not all
slow... and what about the current crop of bubble-gum pop chicks?
although i hate to call what they do music, they are women, and what
they make is anything but slow, deep, and intense... and no male bands
ever make deep or intense music, of course...

>
> some guys say the music doesn't make any sense. particularly the indigo girls.
> guys find it difficult to follow emily and amy (they're the indigo girls, come
> on now) spouting phrases about love, deception and obsession, all girls'
> favorite topics. i will admit that some of the songs definitely need to be
> listened to a couple of times before you get it, but so what?

and now, all men are poor stupid oafs that can't follow along with the
meaning of a song, eh?  and *all* girls can... and "love, deception and
obsession" are the favorite topics of every female out there... no woman
would rather talk or hear about sex, or sports, or anything else... and
no man would ever, ever want to talk or hear
about these 'girlie topics' (just ignore the fact that many songs by
male groups focus on these same topics...)

> other guys point out that all female music is slow. even the fast songs don't
> come close to "back that ass up," or whatever the trendy song of the time may
> be. what does tempo have to do with song value anyway? nothing.

"all female music is slow"... yeah, right... i already commented on that
idea... and tempo has nothing to do with a song... she'd like any of her
favorite 'girlie' songs at double or triple speed just as well... and
techno at quarter speed is just fabulous... and nobody is ever in the
mood to hear a fast, upbeat song... or a slow, mellow one...

>not that i am a feminist in any sense,
of course not... all feminists are man-hating bitchy lesbian
extremists... and she wouldn't want to be treated as an equal to a
man... women *deserve* lower wages, higher poverty rates, and to be
treated like property, gosh darn it!

> needless to say, hating feminine music is guys' loss. maybe they don't realize
> that girls love this music and therefore enjoy other people that can identify
> with it. seeing the connection? this presents a perfect opportunity to increase
> yourself as a babe magnet, fellas. just a little dating advice. if you cruise by
> to pick up your love interest playing natalie merchant's "life is sweet," you
> might just get yourself a second date.
ah, yes... 'anyone who doesn't agree with me is wrong'... and, since men
can't like "female" music, they should pretend just to get dates? does
she pretend to like "manly" music she can't stand just for dates? sadly,
the answer is probably yes...

>
> this music does have merit, is worth listening to and implies at least a certain
> amount of sensitivity. while some of it may be a little touchy-feely, it comes
> from the heart. women are compassionate, emotional beings. why not sing about
> it?
men being emotionless robots or beasts, so they couldn't sing about or
understand such topics, of course...

>
> i would like to save face by saying that i know there are those boys, excuse me,
> men out there who can appreciate music on the womanly side. i respect that
> decision but would encourage you to open your minds.
that makes no sense... "you agree with me that this s cool... i respect
that... but you need to open your mind"... huh?

>
> an example of a girlie music-lovin' man is a good friend of mine. he is a fellow
> duke and can totally jam with me to my tunes. he sings along with me as we
> cruise down the road belting out phrases about our souls, being in love with
> ghosts and being silent for years.
>
> an important fact to note is that this friend of mine always has a girlfriend
> and is known for being a sensitive, yet still tough, guy. he jams to outkast or
> rage and can mellow out to womanly tunes. doesn't that sound better than
> blasting the latest rap tunes nonstop with your buddies when you could be
> cuddled up with your honey listening to jewel?
oh, the flood of stereotypical images is about to drown me... save me...
help!


> and that's ok. continue to listen to your music and we'll listen to ours.
because mental expansion is a very bad thing...  and it's all about us
vs. them in this world... no need to try to blend the groups...

<tongue planted very firmly in my cheek...>

shannon

ps: where is she meeting these guys, anyway... most of the men i know
like at least one of the so-called girl groups... whether it be tori,
me, ig, sarah m, tracy chapman, natalie merchant, whatever... they may
not like it all, but most like some of it...

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does anyone in  st  paul mn  know where i can
buy blank cdr's?

thanks

barb

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for some reason i feel the need to get on my soapbox (again) so here i go.
first, i've never had the opportunity to attend the newport folk festival or any
other outdoor concert, but i've been to several indoor general admission shows.
i've spent my fair share of time waiting for hours and hours in line outside in
the cold so that i could be close to the stage.  i've also been "cheated out of
my spot" several times by people who got in line 8 or 9 hours later than i did.
and though i agree it's nice to share, it's also nice to respect those that have
sacrificed their entire day (not to mention risked frosbite) and waited in line
so that they can be closer to the stage than those who get there an hour before
the show starts.

>the people that my sister and i ran into had a large space around them and
>basically told us to fuck off since they had been there since 6am. yeehaw.
>let's have a love-in. i had a shitty day and missed half the show so fuck me,
>i didn't deserve to see any of it. you're absolutely right.

of course you have the right to see the show.  however, since you did arrive
later than other people, it seems natural to me to expect to be further away from
the stage than those who arrived before you.  if i got there at 6 am, i'd sure
hope to be way in front of those that got there at 4 or 5 in the afternoon.  i
don't know exactly how that works at outdoor concerts, but it seems like it'd be
the same....the sooner you get there, the better place you should have.  i agree
that spreading out a huge blanket and trying to claim a lot of space is wrong,
but i think it's also wrong to get there later and try to sneak up front and
stand in front of people who have been there much longer.  as far as indoor
general admission concerts, i don't really even think it's right for people to
"save spots in line" for others.  it seems that should only be permissable if you
have, like, one friend coming who can't get off work till later and needs to be
by you in line so they aren't standing by themselves at the concert.  but i think
it's incredibly wrong to save places for 5 or 10 people who don't get there till
right before the show starts.  it's not fair to the people right behind you who
have been there for hours and hours.  this happened to me at the davidson concert
as well as at the tabernacle.  when i got there, there were about 5 people ahead
of me in line.  by the time the doors open and people went in, there were about
35.  and yes, to some people, it does make a difference how close to the stage
you are....and how long you spent waiting in line.  i just think these things
ought to be done a little more fairly.  sorry if i insulted anybody who doesn't
think what time you get in line should determine how close to the stage you are,
but that's the way i feel.  =)

sharon (who seems to always get flamed no matter what she says, so is used to it)


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ron mcbay wrote:

> there is no "us" and there is no "them".

y'know, if you'd said "there *should* be no 'us' and there *should* be no 'them'"
i'd agree with you wholeheartedly.

but remember, one of the initial phases of creating an identity is drawing
boundaries, identifying what you're *not* so that you can try to isolate what you
*are*, or might be.  we define "girlie music" and "guy music" pretty early on, back
when we're figuring out what it means to be a girl or guy (and you can read my other
post for my opinion on that).  some people grow beyond that and are able to
appreciate "girlie" and  "guy" things on objective merit, some people stay at that
primitive stage where they define themselves by what they're not.  pity the latter.
date the former.  simple.

now wasn't that pithy?! ;)
michal

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> > > not that i am a feminist in any sense,
>
> god, it pisses me off to no end when women insist that they are not feminists.

ditto.  in any sense.  it pisses me off that they think they have to claim that in
order to have some validity in the male world.

i had something i thought was really funny happen to me at my concert in jerusalem
back in july.  i have a spoken word called "working out the truth" which is
essentially about the orthodox jewish educational system, and the overriding masculine
perspective within it determining what is and is not considered a valid argument (you
know, the whole "logic is masculine and valid, emotion is feminine and invalid"
argument).  my favorite moment of the concert was at the end when a bunch of orthodox
married ladies i didn't know - we're talking heads covered (wigs, kerchiefs, what have
you) and modestly dressed and all -  come up to me and say - demurely - "you know, we
*really* identified with that poem.  not that we're feminists or anything.  oh no.
but... you know... it really spoke to us.  thanks."  i did my best not to laugh.  it
was either laugh or cry.

to me, feminism just means redefining what it means to be a woman on our own terms.
it means the freedom for each woman to decide it for herself instead of having to fit
into some cultural "role" prescribed due to the existence or lack thereof of the
proverbial "dangling participle" (if you know what i mean ;)  think you can guess my
major?)  and so far, i have yet to meet too many women who really truly wholeheartedly
accept the cultural definition of femininity absolutely.  to the extent that any woman
does not accept, and believes she is justified in not accepting, any given cultural
definition of feminity, she's a feminist.  i don't understand what these women are
afraid of - that their husbands/boyfriends/bosses will wise up and realize there's a
gender revolution going on?  i mean, hell, maybe the guy's'll like it?  maybe men will
wake up and realize they don't have to fit into any cultural definition of their
gender role either?  how liberating!    the only reason "masculinism" isn't half the
issue "feminism" is (and i really wish it would be, cuz the machismo crap with guys
drives me nuts) is because the masculine gender role holds with it social power which
benefits males.  so there's less of a hue and cry to change it or at least have the
right to define it individually.  there is no such thing as a masculine woman or a
feminine male.  these are social constructs - and men and women can be feminists and
masculinists alike - and should be.  (hey - is there an actual word to replace
"masculinists" which i just kind of came up with?)

i sure hope my theory isn't somehow damaging to the fabric of society, social "order"
and all.  people claim we need roles in order to function as a community.  i agree.
but there has to be a better criterion to determine who should play what role than the
dangling participle.

and thus ends my tirade on the dangling partiple and gender roles.
whoever got this far - you're too cool, or too bored. ;)  possibly both.

it isn't snowing in jerusalem yet, but we're meant to have a storm this weekend.  keep
your fingers crossed - this california girl hasn't had too many snowball fights in her
time.  i sure am looking forward...

michal
(that is *not* michael mis-spelled.  it's the name of king david's first wife.  i just
feel the need to point that out occasionally).

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i have to say...this thread is cracking me up.  newport is absolutely the
highlight of my summer...there have been times it's been the highlight of my
year (i know...pathetic!).

in order to get a decent spot, though, you need to enjoy waking up in the
middle of the night to stand on line in the freezing cold...sprinting for
what seems like the boston marathon at 6 am...running (but not really
running...hmmm) to secure a primo location up front when they open the gates
at 10am and then making that dive...frying for 8 hours in the sun....standing
in a deluge of water up to your knees....if you can't sign up for this, then
i think that most probably newport is not for you.  i myself love it.  i
would do all of the above and more for the amazing music of newport ff
weekend.

it is pretty much a given that when ig comes on, the whole crowd crushes
forward to the fence in the standing position.  pretty much have to accept it
and guard your spot as best you can.  you do have to be a little aggressive.
this past year, we were lucky to be up against the fence.  we had rolled our
blankets up and folded up our chairs to make room for everyone who would
inevitably try to get closer to the stage.  we would have been foolish to
think that people would delicately try to avoid stepping on our blankets.

the thing with newport is that you simply cannot be uptight.  you have to
relax and have a good time.

night everyone!
chris in nh

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hello all!

i am very extremely happy to report that we are once again
back up & online!

our computer crashed last friday morning and we just (moments ago)
finally got it back up and "restored" files from our last back up.  (funny
device you never think you will need... saved us in a big way!)

anyway, apologies to all whom we have neglected and/or missed on icq,
aol messenger, or thru email.  the system is still a bit buggy and we will
continue to work on it but at least we finally got windows 95 running again
and think we can fix the rest from here!

as barb said, "between the two of us we make one great computer genius!"
amen!!!  and thanks so much to don for spending a few hours on the phone
with us trying to help us fix the problem too... :)

okay, i'm off to look into reinstalling icq and the aol messenger!

later,
twink!

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hi folks,

couple of different points about this thread and hot topics in
general...

>flaming:  if you feel compelled to flame, do it off the list.

>inappropriate language:  if you feel compelled to utilize foul language, again, save it for private email.

>quoting text:  do not repost entire messages to the list.  take the time to cut out irrelevent text.

as for the newport thread specifically...please continue this discussion
via private email.  this is the fourth time we've had this particular
discussion, and i don't think it's going to be resolved this time
either.

so please, continue this topic in private email or other forums.

thanks!

jen lucero
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hi folks,

couple of different points about hot topics in general...

>flaming:  if you feel compelled to flame, do it off the list.

>inappropriate language:  if you feel compelled to utilize foul language, again, save it for private email.

>quoting text:  do not repost entire messages to the list.  take the time to cut out irrelevent text.

as for the newport thread specifically...please continue this discussion
via private email.  this is the fourth time (possibly more) we've had
this particular discussion, and i don't think it's going to be resolved
this time either :)

so please, continue this topic in private email or other forums.

thanks!

jen lucero
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a setlist from the mpls  suffragette  sessions tour.  if anyone has one,
or knows  an addy
i can go to  i would really appreciate it.....thanks!

peace

barb

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<<a setlist from the mpls  suffragette  sessions tour.  if anyone has one,
or knows  an addy i can go to  i would really appreciate it.....thanks!>>

it can never be overstated:

www.lifeblood.net

is indigo girl heaven. setlists, discography, articles galore. including
this one.

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neil, andi, andineil or thatcoolenglishguy @andineil.com
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forgive me for being naive, but what is a window cling?
-indigoanid
(lori)

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general admission, or "festival seating" is illegal in a lot of states, and i
for one am glad.

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in a message dated 1/26/00 5:25:17 pm pacific standard time,
ilovindigo@aol.com writes:

> what seems like the boston marathon at 6 am...running (but not really
>  running...hmmm) to secure a primo location up front when they open the
gates
people have been hurt, and even killed doing this. that's why i think
festival seating should be banned everywhere.

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in a message dated 1/26/00 5:47:43 pm pacific standard time,
jlucero@mail.monmouth.com writes:

> as for the newport thread specifically...please continue this discussion
>  via private emai
oh, sorry i didn't read this before posting a couple of things about festival
seating...sorry

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there's an ig chat room?  where?
-lori

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there should be a mailing list or a board or something for people who have
started gsas.  just a random thought.
-indigoanid
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there's an ig chat room through talk city.  go to www.talkcity.com  and
get into the chat.  the ig room is called music-indigogirls.  or, if you
have a chat client (like pirch or mirc) connect to talkcity at
morechat.talkcity.com  and then go to #music-indigogirls.  webtv users
can also get to this room.  you used to be able to get to this room from
the ig homepage (indigogirls.com) but i think since the page changed,
you can't get to it from there any more.  if anyone needs more help
getting into it, email me privately and i'll try to help.

=) sharon

lori feldstein wrote:

> there's an ig chat room?  where?
> -lori

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does anybody know if the college tour has assigned seating or general
admission? does it differ from college to college?

thanks, irina

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           with all my shields and protection
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here's the web address to the epic website where the chatroom is still
available to connect to:
http://www.epiccenter.com/epiccenter/indigogirls/

click on 'community'
enter a nickname.
click on 'enter chat'

wallah!  :) diane
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tomorrow is the last day to purchase advance tix for $3  after that its a
whooping $5 at the door

just thought i would let yall know.
anyone out there i was supposed to try and get an extra ticket for?  i can't
remember and i will go tomorrow after class since im a bonehead and forgot

nan

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in a message dated 1/26/00 4:50:41 pm pacific standard time,
indi5479@yahoo.com writes:

<< of course you have the right to see the show.  however, since you did
arrive
later than other people, it seems natural to me to expect to be further away
from
the stage than those who arrived before you.  i agree
that spreading out a huge blanket and trying to claim a lot of space is
wrong,
but i think it's also wrong to get there later and try to sneak up front and
stand in front of people who have been there much longer. >>

i never said anything about sneaking up or standing in front of others...yes,
if i get there late i expect to be farther away...but that does not mean i
don't have the right to try to be as close as possible, or to stand next to
people on their blanks when there is plenty of room.

actually, i think concerts should be organized according height...with the
short people up front :)

grrr....
:p
lisa (oh and don't flame me now - i am not pro-short or pro-tall...can't we
all just get along, dammit?)

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well, i've got a live version of cortez the killer (with amy and
michelle) from the
berkeley ig show on the 6th of july 1997 - is this the one you're
thinking about?

john.

ron mcbay wrote:

> the live version of "cortez the killer" that i know about is off of matthew
> sweet's goodfriend promo cd.  (matthew sings lead at first and then amy comes in
> to sing lead on a verse; don't think emily sings, just plays guitar.)  it's from
> the rop tour.  i remember seeing them do it live at wolf trap in virginia.  is
> that the version you're talking about?  i think there might also be a live boot
> of amy doing it (with michelle malone?) at a solo show or a writer's night at
> eddie's attic sometime, also.  i think i recall seeing such a rendition once.

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hi, i just bought a cd burner and would like to make a compilation of cover
songs ig have done. two songs i would like that i don't have are the weight
and don't fear the reaper. if anyone has a good copy of these two songs and
any other covers they may have done this summer (think there was a neil young
cover) could you please e-mail me privately and we'll work out a trade??  i
can record off of tapes too so it doesn't have to be a cdr.

also i'm looking for a good copy of the dartmouth show from this past fall if
anyone has that.

thank you
michelle in nh

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just one more word on this....

> -----original message-----

> but that does not mean i
> don't have the right to try to be as close as possible, or to
> stand next to
> people on their blanks when there is plenty of room.

this whole discussion wasn't about "the right to stand up close". it was
about having the courtesy to ask those who are up close if you can share
their space instead of just assuming. in this world where personal space is
becoming as endangered as salmon, we need to protect what little we have. i
would expect someone to just simply ask. like most people here, i'd say yes
(probably) and be much happier than if someone just came and plopped
themselves down.

a side note: speaking of personal space, have any of you gone to the outback
for dinner? the first time we went there, the waiter plops himself down in
our booth to take our order! that was disconcerting. we have since learned
to sit near the end of our booth.

>
> actually, i think concerts should be organized according height...with the
> short people up front :)

hey, i'm with you there!

ryan

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hi y'all,

i just called up f&m and they said tickets aren't going on sale for the
show until feb. 14th.  i thought someone else on the list said feb. 1st
but maybe they have change
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hi y'all,

i just called up f&m and they said tix for the show are going on sale on
feb. 14th.  i thought someone else on the list said they were going on
sale on the 1st but maybe they changed it?  also i was told the show is
probably general admission but they don't know for sure yet.  oh btw
public tickets will be $22.

peace,
carrie :)
(who will travel ridiculous distances to see the girls :)

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hkf's,

according to tm, the onsale info is this-
date onsale: wednesday, february 16, 2000, 10:00am

i suppose the 2/14 onsale is for students and i think the tickets might be
free for them (says that on the website).

a+e=ig

ps: i'm callin' on hatfield to make some rain (snow) for atl!

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>a side note: speaking of personal space, have any of you gone to the
>outback
>for dinner? the first time we went there, the waiter plops himself down in
>our booth to take our order! that was disconcerting. we have since learned
>to sit near the end of our booth.

that's so funny.  same thing happened last time i went there.  the waitress
just sat next to my friend, across from me and said "what's up girls?"  good
thing she was really nice and laid back.  otherwise we would have been a bit
scared, rather than just a little caught off guard.  she seemed to be about
our same age.  maybe she just needed a break from the "good evening ladies
and gentlemen.  welcome.  my name is ... and i'll be your server tonight."
i do love their food every once in a while!

on another side note - anyone else feeling a bit weird today?  i have this
weird energy, i'm really distracted, can't concentrate on much at work.  i
kinda feel like i could really use a great big dose of "go" live.  that
might cure me, or maybe just get me going even more...

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i had a friend that worked at outback and they were told in training to
actually sit at the booth, if possible, when taking orders.
it was meant to make the customers feel welcome ... like they were
friends.... to establish a good feeling between the customer and the
server...
so, it's not unusual when the server sits next to you at outback when taking
your order... just be wary if they start picking at your food or playing
with your hair...

-jackie


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> >a side note: speaking of personal space, have any of you gone to the
> >outback
> >for dinner? the first time we went there, the waiter plops himself down
in
> >our booth to take our order! that was disconcerting. we have since
learned
> >to sit near the end of our booth.
>
> that's so funny.  same thing happened last time i went there.  the
waitress
> just sat next to my friend, across from me and said "what's up girls?"
good
> thing she was really nice and laid back.  otherwise we would have been a
bit
> scared, rather than just a little caught off guard.  she seemed to be
about
> our same age.  maybe she just needed a break from the "good evening ladies
> and gentlemen.  welcome.  my name is ... and i'll be your server tonight."
> i do love their food every once in a while!
>
> on another side note - anyone else feeling a bit weird today?  i have this
> weird energy, i'm really distracted, can't concentrate on much at work.  i
> kinda feel like i could really use a great big dose of "go" live.  that
> might cure me, or maybe just get me going even more...
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~
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> i have a gift to bring ~ es
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they do it at a lot of places now, actually.  tgifridays, chilis, etc.  in
fact, saturday night live has a great skit about tgifridays doing it...

-s

at 04:27 pm 1/27/2000 , you wrote:
>i had a friend that worked at outback and they were told in training to
>actually sit at the booth, if possible, when taking orders.
>it was meant to make the customers feel welcome ... like they were
>friends.... to establish a good feeling between the customer and the
>server...
>so, it's not unusual when the server sits next to you at outback when taking
>your order... just be wary if they start picking at your food or playing
>with your hair...
>
>-jackie

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howdy y'all! you know i can't believe it it's just-a-snowin like cats and
dogs out here in oklahoma we have a foot of snow and it hasn't snowed more
than about 2 inches in 12 years!!! i go out to check on the mail, and i step
into it up to 'ma hips it seems like (well maybe i embelished a little, but i
am a shorty 5'4) and i wanna go out and play but it's all powdery ya know? i
wanted to build a big amy or emily statue lol!!
but anyways, just thought i'd share my wonderment with everyone, y'all take
care! and good lord be careful drivin out there!!!


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> according to tm, the onsale info is this-
> date onsale: wednesday, february 16, 2000, 10:00am
>
> i suppose the 2/14 onsale is for students and i think the tickets might be
> free for them (says that on the website).

        actually, tickets go onsale to students on the first of the month,
and according to the f&m webpage, they're free. *gulp* the woman running
the concert told me today by email that they were still negotiating the
onsale to the public date with ticketmaster, but that it would be either
the 14th or the 16th.
        course, she alkso told me ticket prices weren't set yet, so this
may already be old news.
        mandy

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hello,

i've   been  waiting  since yesterday for this to post.....no luck, so
i'm resending it.  hope  it gets through.


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from: barbarafrommn@webtv.net (barbara bordner)
date: wed, 26 jan 2000 18:42:02 -0600 (cst)
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does anyone in  st  paul mn  know where i can
buy blank cdr's?

thanks

barb


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whoops!  i just found  my post on my email list.
so i guess it posted afterall.  soooooo  sorry.
i goofed.


barb

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<>

what a great idea!!  suddenly, i'm looking forward to this sunday's projected
blizzard!

heidi

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hey all- was wondering if anyone knew of a homepage for catie curtis or dar
williams?  i searched for catie, but turned up nothing.. needing some tour
dates!
thanks :)
trooper

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the 2nd time i went there, the waiter was so weird that we built a "snowman"
out of the bread.

as for weird energy...i'm feeling that, too!

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--- "<erin tripp>" <gitroop@aol.com> wrote:
> hey all- was wondering if anyone knew of a homepage
> for catie curtis or dar
> williams?  i searched for catie, but turned up
> nothing.. needing some tour
> dates!
> thanks :)
> trooper
>
> "i don't love you to make a point..." ~c.c

hare's a decent dar williams' site:
http://www.panix.com/~tneff/dar/ontour.html

and catie:
http://www.mammothartists.com/curtis/
if you look under booking there's a tour site, but it
hasn't been updated last i checked. :(

good luck!
laurel

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just wanted to let you know that i have a change in email address.  i can't
get personal email at work anymore (can you imagine?).  effective
immediately, you can contact me personally at
sljones1@facstaff.wisc.edu.  thanks!

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you must buy tix in person at f&m...they should be onsale the 14, thats what
i was told when i called.....

kim
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okay intimate strangers,

who will be kind enough to let me bribe them into buying me and my lovely wife 2
tickets to the f&m show?  it's been so long since i've seen an acoustic-only
show...and it's been such a long, cold winter...anyone?

try to stay warm!
nancy

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here are two great catie curtis sites:

http://www.cgrg.ohio-state.edu/~kspencer/catie_curtis/
http://www.teleport.com/~tyburski/index2.html

tim
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> hey all- was wondering if anyone knew of a homepage for catie curtis or
dar
> williams?  i searched for catie, but turned up nothing.. needing some tour
> dates!
> thanks :)
> trooper
>
> "i don't love you to make a point..." ~c.c

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hey sabrina - i need your address so i can send you a copy of the montreal
'94 finished product.  it looks and sounds great.  thanks so much for giving
it to be shared with the list.  that middle part on language/kiss still
cracks me up every time i hear it.

tara

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got this note from paddy's mailing list:

< hey everyone... just a quick reminder that that is paddy on the cover of
this week's metroland... for those of you too far away to get a copy
yourself, see here- http://www.metland.com/sctmusic.html#listenhere

and the cover pic is shown on the paddy website-
  http://members.aol.com/dangdspd/ >

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well it only took me 25 minutes to get through, but i'm on the floor, row h
seats 103/104....

anyone else care to share???

diane

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this is at
http://www.melvig.org/mel/melvig.htm

melchizedek
vigilance
newsletter
vol. 1 no. 1
vol. 1 no. 2
vol. 1 no. 3
vol. 1 no. 4
vol. 1 no. 5

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i  used to know a  man who  was a reverand
in the melchizedek  society,  they  seem to be one  of those churches
that are more appocolyptic,  and from what i just  read....very
"sick"  (as you said)  homophobic groups  out
there.  that site is very disturbing!   i'm glad you pointed that  site
out,  iinfectious diseases in society  clear up when exposed to the air.

peace

barb

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date:         fri, 28 jan 2000 13:09:15 est
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from:         "<kate mackie>" <kato1771@aol.com>
subject:      ig on savannah radio
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hi all...
   this is just a little note to all of you in southeast georgia, especially those of you frustrated sometimes with the radio scene.  not too long ago i came across 105.3 and have been delighted to hear, on almost a regular basis, "peace tonight," "shame on you," "get out the map," and also classics-- "closer to fine," even "midnight train" from the curfews album.
    anyways, that station tends to give me a few bright spots in my day that i wanted to share.  i hope it helps others of you that may be down here, as well.

take care--
kato

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date:         fri, 28 jan 2000 13:17:50 +0000
reply-to:     neil@andineil.com
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from:         neil hunt <neil@andineil.com>
subject:      re: (nigc) this is sick

www.hatewatch.org

has a large listing of hate websites (including this one) neatly
organized and catagorized for your entertainment and
enlightenment.*

i'll save you from my philosophising. i'm sure we're preaching
to the choir here...

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*the irony being, if you want to hate, this is also the place to
go looking for folks sharing your
views...

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date:         fri, 28 jan 2000 14:36:28 est
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hey yall
i stopped trading for a while due to the craziness of school, but now i need
to get my hands on some new shows. the last 99 show i have is from april, so
anyone with any from after that who wants to trade...let me know. i have lots
to trade... cdrs tapes, whateva... also i will trade for any of those
compilations that the kind people on the list put togeher.... just email me.

peace
sasha

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date:         fri, 28 jan 2000 15:37:19 -0500
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any of my buddies going to the march and would like to split cost on a nicer
room within walking distance of the mall or a close metro stop?  let me
know.

tara

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date:         fri, 28 jan 2000 13:31:08 -0800
reply-to:     diane gagnon <dispdmg@yahoo.com>
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i would assume rear floor....i read somewhere that they sold
about 1/2 the tickets the first day, so i would assume the
general public didn't get 'plumb' seats!

diane


--- indigofrk@aol.com wrote:
> in a message dated 1/28/00 11:41:40 am eastern standard time,
> dispdmg@yahoo.com writes:
>
> << well it only took me 25 minutes to get through, but i'm on
> the floor, row h
>  seats 103/104.... >>
>
> me too, i got row l seat 102, 103 (i think, i cant even
> remember now)
> are they the floor  like the front floor, or the back floor do
> you know ??
>
>
> peace
> sasha
>

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still and look stupid.
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in a message dated 00-01-28 15:39:53 est, telane@trigon.com writes:

<< any of my buddies going to the march and would like to split cost on a
nicer
room within walking distance of the mall or a close metro stop?  let me
know.

tara
  >>

hi tara,

i already have a full room but i can recommend a great hotel within walking
distance(its about 200 yards off of the mall) of the march.  its loews
l'enfant and i didnt see it even listed on the mow hotel website.  it's
pretty pricey $149/night but it's so close, has a pool and allows pets    :)
i stayed there over new years and it was great.

indi

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date:         fri, 28 jan 2000 17:37:56 -0500
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ok, i suppose if you're not a bif naked fan you might want to just delete now.

i think i read on a web site somewhere that bif did a couple of spoken word
albums a long time ago.  i know this is a long shot, but does anyone have
any of these?  if so, would you mind making me a copy?  or are there any
canadians who know where they could get them?  i'm sure they're out of
print and rare, but i thought it wouldn't hurt asking anyway.  i do have
her self titled album, which i had to get in canada.  i think there's also
a solo ep or something out there.  any help is greatly appreciated!

liz


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go go go
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date:         fri, 28 jan 2000 18:22:35 -0500
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hey...

well, time to get on the old boot cd offer bandwagon (just in case some of
you have some cdrs you don't know what to do with). i was just looking back
over some old emails and realized i'd promised to make make early recordings
volume 4 available again (last time i was totally swamped with making cds)
so here's what i wrote last time, and it still applys...

who wants a cd copy of early recordings 4 - blue food mysterys?? and at
minimal personal cost... this is a personal labour of love, painstakingly
remastered and sounding damn fine (although not quite as good as this failed
perfectionist'd have liked...)

yes, as a special offer to you, fellow igs list members, if you send me a
blank cdr, together with an ssae i will, for a limited time, burn you a
copy. and it's absolutely, positively guaranteed to increase exponentially
in value.* or course, if ya'd like to trade cds with me or somthing that'd
be cool too!

i'm sure i could plain sell this, auction it on ebay, or give it away with
every happy meal purchase, but i won't. all i ask is that you don't either
and track down and bludgeon violently anyone you find doing so.

yer basic track listing:

blue food

if you live like that
crazy game
holy city
the weakness in me
never stop
peace song
draw the line
nashville
malachy's
everybody's waiting
untitled
running from the cold
no way to treat a friend
i don't know your name
american tune

mysterys play rehersal

holy city
strange fire i
strange fire ii
-unknown-

all ya gotta do is email me for my address. and if i get swamped i'll call a
halt for the time being...

artwork is available here:
www.go.to/neilytones

where there's also a page o'details on a new tracy chapman boot i'm putting
together... if you i'm think missing anything significant, or have material
to add, let me know. i've not had much joy - there's a lack of a decent
tracy chapman website, and i haven't found an email list...

there's also some basic details there (titles and artwork) on forthcoming ig
boots to get y'all drooling...

and. if you missed the last great boot offer, and would like a copy of (and
again, details/artwork at www.go.to/neilytones):
attack of the killer b-sides volume four (and maybe even 1-3)
wrek night
atlanta night
los angeles night
email me for the details.

that's all folks

neil
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*not a guarantee.

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neil, andi, andineil or thatcoolenglishguy @andineil.com
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