lifeblood: listlogs: 2000-02c


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date:         mon, 14 feb 2000 20:47:10 est
reply-to:     lesley ruthven <littlecanoegirl@hotmail.com>
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from:         lesley ruthven <littlecanoegirl@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: nigc-vagina monologues
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>anyone else who saw the "v" monologues care to elaborate on
>their experience?

i just got back from seeing the vagina monologues here at queen's university
(that's in kingston, ontario, canada, for most of you who probably don't
know). it was amazing!! i was really impressed at the number of people who
came out to see it.
i think that the monologues did a good job of portraying the wide range of
feelings different women have towards their vagina, from ignoring it (like
that woman in "the flood") to loving it. they also sharply contrasted this
with the women who were scarred for life by sexual violence. the whole thing
was fantastic. every year the monologues show up in more places, so if you
missed them this year, look around next year!!

lesley
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date:         mon, 14 feb 2000 20:53:25 est
reply-to:     indigyrlieman@aol.com
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from:         vesper evensong <indigyrlieman@aol.com>
subject:      re: nigc-vagina monologues
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in a message dated 2/14/00 5:48:45 pm pacific standard time,
littlecanoegirl@hotmail.com writes:

> >anyone else who saw the "v" monologues care to elaborate on
>  >their experience?
it is here in l.a. with winona ryder and some other good people, too bad i
can't afford it!
:o(

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date:         mon, 14 feb 2000 22:29:28 est
reply-to:     tryng2bme@aol.com
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subject:      looking for anna creech
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got a submission for the chartreuse girls page :o)  email me back please!

lisa

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date:         mon, 14 feb 2000 22:36:52 -0500
reply-to:     cedar tree <havana_moon@hotmail.com>
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from:         cedar tree <havana_moon@hotmail.com>
subject:      re: adding insult to injury? re: profanity and body parts
x-to:         bancu rugbygrrl <ravishingruggrbc@hotmail.com>
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i, for one, wish that society could get beyond it's fixation on body parts
and "dirty" words....

one solution to the latter would be to eliminate all the bad letters from
the alphabet so there could be no more bad words....or we could just realize
that affording mythical status to a certain combination of vowels and
consonants is rather silly....

despite the assumed presence of the rogue 'y'  chromosome, i would hardly
consider the referenced letter writer one of 'my own'....what a
hoo-hoo....(clinical term)

personally i would much rather see words like rape, kill, murder....and
euphemisms like acceptable losses, collateral damage, etc eliminated from
common usage than any part of a george carlin monologue...

i personally am eternally grateful that the women's movement has created an
atmosphere where individuals can relate on an emotional/intellectual basis
devoid of 'me tarzan, you jane' stereotypes....the damn vines cut into my
hands and really messed up my guitar playing....

rock on, ladies....
tim
web page - http://www.havanamoon.8m.com/
mp3 page - http://www.idrive.com/havanamoon/web/index.html

"i'm trying to tell you something about my life...."  (emily saliers)


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sent: monday, february 14, 2000 5:42 pm
subject: adding insult to injury? re: profanity and body parts


> ***personally, i find it interesting that not only does he(assumption)not
> know what the "delete" button is for, but he uses a post that is supposed
to
> raise awareness of violence against wimmin to threaten a womyn.  private
> email issue aside, perhaps the administrator should consider his behavior
in
> regards to the context of this list.  i don't think condoning assinine
penis
> (or vagina) personality traits are within the faq guidelines...at least
not
> my copy.  i would hope the men of our group are appalled at the stupidity
of
> one of their own.
>
> rugbygrrl

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date:         mon, 14 feb 2000 22:55:35 -0500
reply-to:     jen lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
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from:         jen lucero <jlucero@mail.monmouth.com>
subject:      re: "v" monologues et al
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hi folks,

please continue the nigc monologue/profanity discussion via private
email or other forums.

thank you.

jen lucero
ig list co-owner

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date:         mon, 14 feb 2000 23:54:18 -0500
reply-to:     hicktruckdriver <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
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from:         hicktruckdriver <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
subject:      nigc: adding insult to injury?
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on mon, 14 feb 2000, cedar tree wrote:

> i, for one, wish that society could get beyond it's fixation on body parts
> and "dirty" words....

   but...think of the children...

> i personally am eternally grateful that the women's movement has created an
> atmosphere where individuals can relate on an emotional/intellectual basis
> devoid of 'me tarzan, you jane' stereotypes....the damn vines cut into my
> hands and really messed up my guitar playing....

   if you were a real man(tm), you'd have better calluses.  you need to
hunch over a bit more, and drag your knuckles on the ground.  also, play
more barre chords.
   now please excuse me while i go throw excrement at my roommate until he
does the dishes.

   darius

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date:         tue, 8 feb 2000 15:39:37 -0500
reply-to:     hicktruckdriver <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
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from:         hicktruckdriver <dcw2428@osfmail.isc.rit.edu>
subject:      not so negative...
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on tue, 8 feb 2000, bonster wrote:

> how do you fit smoking crack and the indigo girls into a single sentence?

   easy...

   "anybody who does't dig the indigo girls must be smoking crack."

   darius (preachin' to the choir, baby!!)

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date:         tue, 15 feb 2000 08:18:27 -0500
reply-to:     rzender@bgnet.bgsu.edu
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from:         roger zender <rzender@bgnet.bgsu.edu>
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hey everyone,

   i just received my cd-r's from the cd-r tree (from lisa!!  thanks!).  i
just wondered where i could download the cover art.  i know it was mentioned
once, but can't find that url now.   thanks much!

roger

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date:         mon, 14 feb 2000 10:06:56 est
reply-to:     shedyskin@aol.com
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subject:      nigc-hapy valentine's day!
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happy valentine's day y'all! especially for all those who are single like me!

love will come to you

dorothy

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date:         tue, 15 feb 2000 09:33:23 est
reply-to:     shedyskin@aol.com
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hi y'all. i heard about a band named lowen & vacarvo yesterday and i was wondering if anyone here know anything about this band. they sounded like a male version of ig and it seems like they've been around for a while. any recommandation on any of their albums? thanks

dorothy

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date:         tue, 15 feb 2000 09:36:36 est
reply-to:     mnoelm@aol.com
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subject:      nigc - susan werner
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hey y'all,

had the wonderful opportunity to see susan werner last night in a very odd
valentine's day dinner concert at a methodist church here in dallas.  what an
amazing performer and songwriter she is!  and so much funny, warm chat with
the audience between every song.  i really miss that about ig these days.
but it's a lot easier in a room with only about 200 people, lights up on the
audience the whole time.  a great deal of interaction becomes possible.

met her after the show and she was very gracious.  and the cherry on the
sundae is that she will be performing a lunch concert tomorrow, wednesday, at
the same church.  that's first united methodist church in downtown dallas at
12:00 noon on wednesday, feb 16, for any dallas area listees.  $8.00 will get
you lunch and a wonderful, though slightly abbreviated concert with ms.
werner.  i told her that i was planning to bring my 4-year-old daughter back
with me and she said, "a four year old daughter?  i should really get one of
those!  where did you find her?"  i told her the truth - she was my prize in
a cracker jack box!

anyway, big recommendation for this wonderful, wry, funny, immensely talented
singer/songwriter. btw, she had a few comments about grammy's inclusion of
john prine, emmylou harris and (who is the other oldie in the category?) in
the contemporary folk category!

peace, love and all things indigo,

pam in big d

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date:         tue, 15 feb 2000 10:30:34 -0500
reply-to:     kelly fairbairn <fairbk@sage.edu>
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from:         kelly fairbairn <fairbk@sage.edu>
subject:      re: nigc - susan werner
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on tue, 15 feb 2000 mnoelm@aol.com wrote:

> hey y'all,
>
> anyway, big recommendation for this wonderful, wry, funny, immensely talented
> singer/songwriter. btw, she had a few comments about grammy's inclusion of
> john prine, emmylou harris and (who is the other oldie in the category?) in
> the contemporary folk category!

have to second that one!  she's fabulous!  i saw her at falcon ridge then
she did a show at a neighboring college.  my favorite cd
of hers is time between trains.  she used to sing opera, and at the rpi
show, she did a little bit from "carmen" and sang it to a guy in the
audience, coming into the crowd, and practically sitting in his lap. it
was hilarious.

and for you baigl-types, she's doing a show with vance gilbert at the
sommerville at the end of march.

kelly,
got a new job and have subsequently been buried under work.

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date:         tue, 15 feb 2000 10:33:37 est
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subject:      michelle malone dates - nigc
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fellow listees,
     here are some dates for michelle malone in case some of you don't know
when and where, but have a desire to go to one.
subj:    more dates (includes west coast)!!!!!
from:   sbsmail@mindspring.com (michelle malone)

stop the presses!!!!!
the revised calendar!

wed.    feb 16th    eddie's writers night with david ryan harris & john mayer
            8pm decatur, ga  404-377-4976 (nonsmoking)
th.     feb 17th    univ of ct  storrs, ct (w/indigo girls)  860-486-1840
sat.    feb 19th    st. lawrence  canton, ny (w/indigo girls) 315-229-5757
th.     feb 24th    caledonia lounge  athens, ga  706-549-5577
fri.    feb 25th    lucy & earls newberry,sc  803-261-7683
sat.    feb 26th    eddie's attic  decatur, ga  404-377-4976 (nonsmoking)
tue.    feb 29th    i spy  seattle,wa  206-374-9492

wed.    march 1st   borders books  seattle
th.     march 2nd   st. john's pub  portland,or  503-283-8520
fri.    march 3rd   morgan's coffee house  monterey, ca   831-655-6868
sat.    march 4th   coco club, san fran  415-626-2337
sun.    march 5th   genghis cohen  los angeles  213-653-0640
mon.    march 6th   motley coffehouse/scripps college  claremont, ca
            909-607-3235    http://www.scrippscol.edu~dept/stu
tue.    march 7th   nita's hideaway  tempe, az.
wed.    march 8th   the zephyr   salt lake city  801-355-2582
th.  march 9th      gothic theatre  denver  303-380-2333
fri.    march 10th  the paramount  santa fe, nm 505-982-8999
sat.    march 11th  variety playhouse  atlanta (band opens for jennifer
nettles)

by the way, donna van gogh's (art for all ya'll -www.dvg.com) has been kind
enough to display a few of my photographs...you can look, touch, and
purchase!
happy valentines ya'll!
michelle malone

thank you for supporting independent music...and for taking responsibility
for your ears! you are what you hear....

compliments of
:-)
kim

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date:         tue, 15 feb 2000 10:53:54 est
reply-to:     vicki toye <one85fan@hotmail.com>
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anyone go to this event?  setlist?  review?  anyone?
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date:         tue, 15 feb 2000 12:09:52 -0500
reply-to:     "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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from:         "lane, tara e." <telane@trigon.com>
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hey you guys.  i'm back from my vacation.  3 days of skiing and 10 hours of
roadtripping to see ig packed into a 5 day weekend.  it was crazy.  i'm
gonna post a review as soon as i have a second to breathe.  i've got boot
packages everywhere and if you're waiting on some, just be patient.  it may
take a while, but i always get 'em done.

i *will* be offering the tampa show on cdr, with art, as soon as i get my 2
incoming copies and take the best of those 2, or a mixture.  i'll be wanting
the pledge of course.  don't email me about this yet.  i'll post the list as
soon as it's ready.

in the meantime, y'all hang tight, and i'll tell you all about norfolk and
harrisonburg, from my point of view in a couple days. - let's just say for
now, norfolk was cool - stuff always happens to me at the boathouse.  ran
into sulli in the bathroom of all places and she *remembered* me from
talking after the 9:30 club show, is that not crazy??  but i'll give full
details in the next couple days.

take care guys,
tara

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> sent: tuesday, february 15, 2000 10:52 am
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> subject:      norfolk?
>
> anyone go to this event?  setlist?  review?  anyone?
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date:         tue, 15 feb 2000 12:41:37 -0800
reply-to:     bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
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from:         bonster <bonster@drizzle.com>
subject:      nigc- listees in denver area?
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are there any listees that live in the denver area? i'm interviewing for a
job there in two weeks and am curious about cost of living, lifestyle,
etc.  my visit is for only one day (not really enough time to get a feel
for the place), so any info is greatly appreciated.

please respond off list.

thanks!

bon

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date:         wed, 16 feb 2000 08:50:56 +1200
reply-to:     emiray saliamy <ig_boogy_babe@chickmail.com>
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subject:      ig official site has new front page
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it's kinda cool with a bit of a "go" screaming at yah...


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date:         wed, 16 feb 2000 08:54:54 +1200
reply-to:     emiray saliamy <ig_boogy_babe@chickmail.com>
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subject:      who is opening for ig's in oz?? won't be the bluehouse... bummer
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gees i'm really bummed it won't be the bluehouse, here's their tour dates... maybe they'll be in sydney on the 9th... hmmm...

maybe the ig's will bring michelle or rose??? we should be so lucky...


nsw
thursday 2nd march: uts, ultimo campus, 1pm

thursday 2nd march, the headlands hotel, headlands avenue, austinmere,
8pm. ph 4267 1146

friday 3rd march, blue mountains folk festival, the clarendon hotel,
katoomba. 9pm.

sunday 5th march, blue mountains folk festival,  .... 3pm.   ph the
clarendon hotel for tickets.

victoria
saturday 11th march, annual relay for life fundraiser for the anti
cancer council. carey grammar sports ground,
    169  bulleeen rd., bulleen.  2pm-3pm.

saturday 11th march,  healesville sanctuary unplugged, species survival
series, with matt walker. 6.30 - 7.15pm,
    ph: 5957 2800

saturday 25th march, prince patrick hotel, victoria pde, collingwood.
doors open 8.30pm, tix at door. inquiries, ph 9419 4197.

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attention all self-proclaimed indigo girls' fans! as
part of a work in progress entitled "artists as
activists," i am studying whether or not an artist's
endorsement of a cause truly has far reaching affects.
basically, when you listen to "hammer and a nail" did
you get involved in a group like habitat for humanity?
1. have you checked out a website provided by ig in an
album liner?
2. do you give financially to an ig cause? is it b/c
they exposed you to the group?
3. what do you feel about the "activist lyrics" in ig
songs? have you noticed an increase/decrease in the
amount of "vocal activism" by amy, emily or both?
4.  is there a particular song or line that stands out
in your mind as a "call to arms?"
thanks so much for all of your replies.


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anyone know anything about the april 15 show at manhattanville college in
purchase, ny? it's now listed on the official site...
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<<i just received my cd-r's from the cd-r tree (from lisa!!  thanks!).  =
i just wondered where i could download the cover art.  i know it was =
mentioned once, but can't find that url now.   thanks much!>>

http://www.go.to/neilytones
has the b-sides and 'night' artwork. (the plan is to have all boot art =
available there one day - help stop people paying for boots.)

and while i'm here... haven't had any negative comments about my =
indigogirls.org email address scheme. so it's now official:

if you want an email address yourname@indigogirls.org forwarded to your =
current email, here's the deal:
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'indigogirls.org' email. (you should play with this first).

if you have strong objections to signing up for this (or don't live in =
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alternatives.

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due to a change, or rather, the fact that i'm sticking to my priniciples and
feel placing any restriction on cdr trading creates a personal gain by
controling the way it is traded, i cannot let tara lane, or any one who
would require a pledge like hers to distribute this show.

i need to point out this is not personal to tara - she has provided a great
many people shows for whom they could not receive otherwise - i laude her
for that. but my masters will not be subjected to a "no digital copying"
clause in any way, shape or form. i never want to see this show sold - and
that doesn't change. i need to firstly , if i am seeding this show - make
sure that i feel comfortable with the way it is distributed.

if you are ready to flame or play some sort of email campaing - spare the
bandwidth - i've had a worse day than you have, i am sure there are people
who already think i am a loudmouthed jerk.  that's my personality, and your
flames are not going to change that.

sorry for being a jerk - if someone wants to tree this without pledges -
email me offlist - otherwise - don't make this a big debate - i am just to
busy.

if you are going to uconn - i may be able to burn a couple copies to trade
if you have stuff i want. i think the baigls are eating somewhere - again -
email me...

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hey folks,

who's up for a listmeet in sydney, melbourne or canberra?
email me if so... i guess it's time to start sorting stuff
out...

also, i'm happy because caroline tran played "go" during
her shift on jjj last night, backannounced the song using
the phrase "personal heroes", and also mentioned that the
girls are coming out here in march.  that's the first time
i've heard ig on jjj since early '98 - whoohoo.

:)
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hey folks,

someone was asking about the boathouse show... i found
this on the newsgroup...

-sherlyn

---begin forwarded message---
>from: smashmole@aol.com (smashmole)
>subject: boathouse show
>date: 15 feb 2000 18:45:42 gmt
>
[...]
>
>the norfolk show was good. not the best i'd ever seen them, though. they seem
>tired, and not as full of energy, but maybe that's because i'm not used to
>seeing them with no band. a&e&two guitars was a first for me, and it was a
real
>treat.
>
>tami hart opened, talked about her record label, mr. lady. she was quite
good,
>but giggled a lot.
>
>the crowd at this show just didn't seem into it. that could have something to
>do with the girls' seemingly being tired. i know that when an audience
doesn't
>get into something, the performer usually has less energy. i mean, yes,
>everyone sung along and all, but there was no dancing, just some swaying.
and i
>was 5 people from the front, so i was in there. the high point of the show
for
>me was amy forgetting the words to "land of canaan." it got a huge cheer from
>the crowd. other than that, there was a lot of crowd interaction, but i
wasn't
>quite close enough for that.
>
>set list as follows:
>
>i don't wanna know (i think they like playing this at the boathouse - i
seem to
>always see them do it)
>cold beer and remote control
>ozilline
>least complicated
>jonas and ezekial
>andy
>shame on you
>peace tonight
>dead man's hill (oustanding!)
>get out the map
>chickenman  (no soc - but they both wailed on the solo parts)
>closer to fine
>go
>hammer and a nail (i loved seeing them pull this one out again!)
>land of canaan
>
>encore
>gone again
>galileo
>
>so that's 6 from the new album, 1 from strange fire, 2 from swamp ophelia, 3
>from rites of passage, 2 from shaming, 2 from the self titled, and 1 from
>nomads. maybe the most representative sampling i've ever seen, since sf
and nis
>almost always get forgotten entirely.
>
>did anyone from the norfolk area happen to catch them on daybreak channel 13
>this morning? and tape it? i love the girls, but my devotion to them is not
>quite strong enough to get me up at 5:30am. :) anyway, i'd love to hear what
>happened from anyone who saw it.
>
>angela
>

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io20742 wrote:
> but my masters will not be subjected to a "no digital copying"
> clause in any way, shape or form. i never want to see this show sold -

what is digital copying?  i know that there are analog tapes and digital
tapes, but i'll be damned if i know what the differences are.  i just
know that digital is supposed to be better.

> sorry for being a jerk

mike is one of the sweetest guys i know, and totally jerk-free.

> if someone wants to tree this without pledges

i can't make cdrs at all, but certainly will volunteer to make tapes for
anyone who might want them instead of cdrs.
>
> if you are going to uconn - i may be able to burn a couple copies to
>trade
> if you have stuff i want. i think the baigls are eating somewhere - again -

those baigls - always eating.  sheesh. ;)  have fun at the uconn show,
whoever goes, and someone please boot!!!!!!  and tree?  please?

elaine

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for immediate release


february 15, 2000

atlanta, ga

jodi hersh, -- atlanta area graphic designer whose work includes cd
designs, websites and marketing pieces for artists, labels, and
corporations such as lift, michelle malone, beth wood, caroline aiken,
isaac curry, daemon records, koch records, alltel telecom, alexander
ogilvy, and many others -- has been chosen as a finalist in the 2000 sxsw
interactive festival (http://www.sxsw.com) competition's best band website
category for her site "lift - real alternative rock"
(http://www.orangestar.com/lift)

the winners will be announced for this and other categories on march 1 in
austin, tx during the sxsw interactive festival award ceremonies.

this is a really terrific honor for jodi and her company, jodi e. hersh
graphic design and photography, inc.  (http://www.orangestar.com)  as well
as for the atlanta-based alt. rock band lift
(http://www.orangestar.com/lift)


anyone can vote:
there is also an additional category for which this site qualifies - the
people's choice award.  you can go to the sxsw website and vote for "lift -
real alternative rock" to win! http://www.sxsw.com/inter/vote/vote.php


###

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just flipping through the channels tonight and what do i see but melissa
belting "ain't that enough?" on leno!!  mad i missed most of it, but just
felt like reporting that fact to a semi-appreciative audience... carry on

nanu, nanu
lisa :o)

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hey everybody,

i have a question: if i were to record on the same vhs tape, both appearances
of the indigo girls and melissa etheridge, would the tape explode?

considering that ig's and etheridge started about the same time, and now are
100% opposite in style, content, political ideals, corporate (or non )
sponsorship, fan contact, and the list goes on..... i guess i'm thinking that
there should be segregation as far as combining the two.

pondering,
kathleen

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the song title as i now recall is "enough of me".

cheerio

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in a message dated 2/15/00 9:48:02 pm pacific standard time,
sissookie@aol.com writes:

> 100% opposite in style, content, political ideals, corporate (or non )
>  sponsorship, fan contact, and the list goes on...
i'm not sure they are %100 percent opposite on all these fronts...many
perhaps

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just a clarification.  we all have different opinions and trading policies.
i'm sorry for those who are offended, and i can see both sides of the
argument.  i want to clarify, that i'm sure mike is a great guy, and not a
jerk, we just have 2 differing opinions.  in return for seeding his tampa
broadcast boot, he wanted early recordings without signing a pledge, and i
just couldn't do it. it's not that i don't trust him - i do, and i know he
wouldn't sell it or anything.  it's just - i have this scenario in my head,
where digital trading without any pledging is just not a good idea - because
mike (or someone else) trades with someone he trusts, but then that person
trades with someone totally unknown, and next thing we know, this person is
making boots and selling them to the record store down the street.  ebay is
not the only outlet - and true enough, auctions on ebay are fairly easy to
shut down, but otherwise, you just can't know for sure that you're not
beginning a process whereby people are making money off these recordings.

and again, i want to remind everyone, that if they want to make cassettes
and trade those, go for it. that way, the music can still get circulated
without much chance of someone selling them down the line.

i apologize once again, for offending some of you with this policy.  i just
felt the need to explain a little better why i'm sticking to it.

also, if anyone else has a good copy of the broadcast and would like to seed
it with me and the infamous pledge, let me know.

tara

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hkf's,

this whole x.com thing sounds a little fishy to me.  i don't venture into
things that have this unknown factor to them and the fact that you have to
open some sort-of checking/on-line account with x.com makes the cause for
risk seem higher than the gain of a super-cool e-mail address.  i guess i'm
just voicing my concern and of course i'm not saying that neil is doing a
bad thing at all - it's a great thing for all of us fans out there to enjoy
if we choose to.

maybe my question now is two-fold.  has anyone signed up and how has that
been - successful / any problems?  and does anyone else see my hesitation
with this - or should i just get a honey bun from the vending machine and
stop concerning myself with this?  ;)

happy, happy!
a+e=ig
mcunningham5@earthlink.net
http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/
<http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/>
"...what a blessed sky"


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<div><font face=arial><span class=686323615-16022000>this whole x.com thing
sounds a little fishy to me.  i don't venture into things that have this
unknown factor to them and the fact that you have to open some sort-of
checking/on-line account with x.com makes the cause for risk seem higher than
the gain of a super-cool e-mail address.  i guess i'm just voicing my
concern and of course i'm not saying that neil is doing a bad thing at all -
it's a great thing for all of us fans out there to enjoy if we choose
to.</span></font></div>
<div><font face=arial><span class=686323615-16022000></span></font> </div>
<div><font face=arial><span class=686323615-16022000>maybe my question now is
two-fold.  has anyone signed up and how has that been - successful / any
problems?  and does anyone else see my hesitation with this - or should i
just get a honey bun from the vending machine and stop concerning myself with
this?  ;)</span></font></div>
<div><font face=arial><span class=686323615-16022000></span></font> </div>
<div><font face=arial><span class=686323615-16022000>happy,
happy!</span></font></div>
<div><font face=arial><span class=686323615-16022000>a+e=ig</span></font></div>
<div><font face=arial><span class=686323615-16022000>
<p><font size=2>mcunningham5@earthlink.net<br><a
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hi all...
i have an extra ticket to uconn tomorrow night that i need to sell. i am only
looking for what i paid for it (30 bucks). if you want it please reply to
alexandra_friedman@brown.edu   i really really really want to sell it cause i
cant afford to lose 30 bucks.  oh yeah the seat is left side row ll seat 2.

peace
sasha

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how many people from the list are planning on attending the q and a sesssion
at 3 ??
just wondering...
~sasha

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the whole premesis sounds like a variation on the classic pyramid scheme =
(amway, anyone???) - i hope i'm wrong....

tim
web page - http://www.havanamoon.8m.com/
mp3 site - http://www.idrive.com/havanamoon/

"information is not knowledge; knowledge is not wisdom;=20
wisdom is not truth; truth is not beauty;
beauty is not love; love is not music;
music is the best..." (frank zappa)
  ----- original message -----=20
  from: michael cunningham=20
  to: indigo-girls@netspace.org=20
  sent: wednesday, february 16, 2000 10:42 am
  subject: re: indigogirls.org email


  hkf's,
  =20
  this whole x.com thing sounds a little fishy to me.  i don't venture =
into things that have this unknown factor to them and the fact that you =
have to open some sort-of checking/on-line account with x.com makes the =
cause for risk seem higher than the gain of a super-cool e-mail address. =
i guess i'm just voicing my concern and of course i'm not saying that =
neil is doing a bad thing at all - it's a great thing for all of us fans =
out there to enjoy if we choose to.
  =20
  maybe my question now is two-fold.  has anyone signed up and how has =
that been - successful / any problems?  and does anyone else see my =
hesitation with this - or should i just get a honey bun from the vending =
machine and stop concerning myself with this?  ;)
  =20
  happy, happy!
  a+e=3dig
  mcunningham5@earthlink.net
  http://home.earthlink.net/~mcunningham5/
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<div>the whole premesis sounds like a variation on the classic pyramid =
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<div>tim<br>web page - <a=20
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br>mp3=20
site - <a=20
href=3d"http://www.idrive.com/havanamoon/">http://www.idrive.com/havanamo=
on/</a></div>
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<div>"information is not knowledge; knowledge is not wisdom; <br>wisdom =
is not=20
truth; truth is not beauty;<br>beauty is not love; love is not =
music;<br>music=20
is the best..." (frank zappa)</div>
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  style=3d"background: #e4e4e4; font: 10pt arial; font-color: =
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  <a href=3d"mailto:mcunningham@pbp1.com" =
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  cunningham</a> </div>
  <div style=3d"font: 10pt arial"><b>to:</b> <a=20
  href=3d"mailto:indigo-girls@netspace.org"=20
  title=3dindigo-girls@netspace.org>indigo-girls@netspace.org</a> </div>
  <div style=3d"font: 10pt arial"><b>sent:</b> wednesday, february 16, =
2000 10:42=20
  am</div>
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  <div><font face=3darial><span=20
class=3d686323615-16022000>hkf's,</span></font></div>
  <div><font face=3darial><span=20
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  <div><font face=3darial><span class=3d686323615-16022000>this whole =
x.com thing=20
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  checking/on-line account with x.com makes the cause for risk seem =
higher than=20
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voicing my=20
  concern and of course i'm not saying that neil is doing a bad thing at =
all -=20
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  to.</span></font></div>
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  <div><font face=3darial><span class=3d686323615-16022000>maybe my =
question now is=20
  two-fold.  has anyone signed up and how has that been - =
successful / any=20
  problems?  and does anyone else see my hesitation with this - or =
should i=20
  just get a honey bun from the vending machine and stop concerning =
myself with=20
  this?  ;)</span></font></div>
  <div><font face=3darial><span=20
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  <div><font face=3darial><span class=3d686323615-16022000>happy,=20
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  <div><font face=3darial><span=20
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reply-to:     neil@andineil.com
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from:         neil hunt <neil@andineil.com>
subject:      re: indigogirls.org email (nigc!)
x-to:         michael cunningham <mcunningham@pbp1.com>

hey :o)

gosh, i thought i had covered myself by asking for comments
first before i made it offical... but here goes:

<<this whole x.com thing sounds a little fishy to me... fact
that you have to open some sort-of checking/on-line account with
x.com makes the cause for risk seem higher than the gain of a
super-cool e-mail address.>>

i hope i made it clear that signing up with x.com was not
essential to get the cool email addy. i'll admit to being fuzzy
about the alternatives (suggestions welcome, probably involving
some measurable random acts of kindness), but as these addresses
are limited it seemed a good way to go to keep requests somewhat
sensible... and as i did ask for comments before i went ahead,
it's too late to disagree :o)

<<maybe my question now is two-fold.  has anyone signed up and
how has that been - successful / any problems?  and does anyone
else see my hesitation with this >>

yes and yes.
i've had no problem so far, but i've only just joined. (i
haven't become rich from it - i've just about covered my costs).
i would be worried if anyone wasn't wary - you hesitation is
certainly justified.

i wouldn't suggest or endorse anything at all if i wasn't 100%
sure of its integrity.

i signed up, got my $20, then signed my bride up, she got her
$20 and i got the referral fee from that. lots o' free money :o)
then i just signed her right off again, no problem. i'm going to
find my account useful to accept payments when i start
auctioning my old records and cds on ebay so i'm going to keep
it.

my desire was to give people the opportunity to have a cool
email address, not take their money, but not lose money myself.
this seemed like an ideal solution. i believe the free money
offer ends on friday anyway so any further suggestions are
welcome.

any more questions, abuse, etc would be better off directed to
me in private email...

'preciate your time...

neil
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from:         neil hunt <neil@andineil.com>
subject:      re: indigogirls.org email (nigc)
x-to:         havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>

<<the whole premesis sounds like a variation on the classic
pyramid scheme
(amway, anyone???) - i hope i'm wrong....>>

kindof, but...

there is no outlay by or cost to the individual, so you can't
lose money.
it's a limited offer (ends friday) so the whole world can't sign
up.
the services are provided by first western national bank, and
insured by fdic.

again, it would have been better to bring these issues up when i
suggested it and asked for comments, rather than after i had
officially made the offer.

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reply-to:     havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
from:         havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
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just to clarify - i meant to cast no aspersions on neil's character or
intentions - just voicing my own concerns - this email account was
inaccessible for a seven day period so i missed the initial post...

as i said, i really do hope my concern is unfounded...

peace,
tim

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sent: wednesday, february 16, 2000 8:05 am
subject: re: indigogirls.org email (nigc)


>
> <<the whole premesis sounds like a variation on the classic
> pyramid scheme
> (amway, anyone???) - i hope i'm wrong....>>
>
> kindof, but...
>
> there is no outlay by or cost to the individual, so you can't
> lose money.
> it's a limited offer (ends friday) so the whole world can't sign
> up.
> the services are provided by first western national bank, and
> insured by fdic.
>
> again, it would have been better to bring these issues up when i
> suggested it and asked for comments, rather than after i had
> officially made the offer.
>
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>
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from:         barbara bordner <barbarafrommn@webtv.net>
subject:      rei  indigogirls..org
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i don't know  what's going on but somehow i didn't receive the post
regarding indigogirls.org,
so would someone be so kind as to  cue me in?
what exactly is this site for,   it sounds very curious>

peace

barb

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from:         havanamoon <missing_lynx@email.msn.com>
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i received a rather lengthy article that i'm sure will interest many, but
it's too long to post to the big list. i'm going to post it to the
indigogirls@egroups list, but will send individual copies to any interested
parties on the big list on request....

tim
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mp3 site - http://www.idrive.com/havanamoon/

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wisdom is not truth; truth is not beauty;
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from:         parker vollmer <parker@luminarstudios.com>
subject:      kewl ig pics
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this site:  http://www.ditto.com/ is a multimedia search engines that
registers sites with original photography.  well there's more to in than
that however, if you type in indigo girls they have some really great pics,
some of which i've seen before, most i haven't.  some autographed.

btw, i finally saw the watershed video last evening.  i freakin wigged when
i saw amy's hair in some of those shots,  ummm no.  i shouldn't have seen
that.

parker

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from:         vesper evensong <indigyrlieman@aol.com>
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is it just me, or has anyone else had the impression that the history channel
is...well...i don't know the term, but look at the names of the
shows..."weapons at war,"  "secrets of ww2," etc.
it seems to be top heavy with this stuff and not enough about women or
non-war stuff...

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that's why they call it *his* story....


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sent: wednesday, february 16, 2000 6:04 pm
subject: the history channel


> is it just me, or has anyone else had the impression that the history
channel
> is...well...i don't know the term, but look at the names of the
> shows..."weapons at war,"  "secrets of ww2," etc.
> it seems to be top heavy with this stuff and not enough about women or
> non-war stuff...
>
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.<br>
http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00/<br>
the bedroom interview with amy ray<br>
<br>
has no one read this? =a0did i somehow miss the heart-thumping posts<br=
>
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s the<br>
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;i won't spoil the joy of<br>
"tonguey kisses" for you, go read it yourself.<br>
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*<br>
nigc.<br>
there's more to this band than<br>
bootlegs and pc wanking.  have we said all that<br>
can be said?<br>
<br>
don't be insulted, i'm not talking about you.<br>
<br>
h, in raptures that she'll see 'em tomorrow, but <br>
far more excited to see the butchies <br>
and sleater-kinney *together* over & over<br>
in may for the same amount of cash<br>
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> ><blockquote><blockquote><tt>igc.
>  http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00/
>  the bedroom interview with amy ray
>
>  has no one read this?  did i somehow miss the heart-thumping posts
>  that should have been spread all over this list like cream cheese?  is the
>  digest-ion process at fault?  will i read your thrills soon?  i
> won't spoil the joy of
>  "tonguey kisses" for you, go read it yourself.
>
>  *
>  nigc.
>  there's more to this band than
>  bootlegs and pc wanking.  have we said all that
>  can be said?
>
>  don't be insulted, i'm not talking about you.
>
>  h, in raptures that she'll see 'em tomorrow, but
>  far more excited to see the butchies
>   and sleater-kinney *together* over & over
>  in may for the same amount of cash
>  </tt>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  <tt>try sparknotes.com!  because cliffs notes(tm) cost money!
>  (cliffs notes is a registered trademark for cliffs notes, inc.) </tt></
> blockquote></blockquote></div>
what the hell was that?

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hey y'all -

the cover story in the march issue of girlfriends is an interview with the
girls, as promised. should be hitting stands sometime next week.

the mother jones article will be out in early may.

happy reading ...


brooke

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vesper evensong wrote:
>
> in a message dated 2/16/00 4:19:47 pm pacific standard time, h@thespark.com
> writes:
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> what the hell was that?> >

well, go to thi below site that h posted and read the interview -
journalistic integrity compromised?  what some journalists will do for a
story!  lol - the hell with integrity, i say!  would i love to
compromise any day.  go to the url and you'll see what i mean.

elaine

> >  http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00/
> >  the bedroom interview with amy ray
> >
> >  has no one read this?  did i somehow miss the heart-thumping posts
> >  that should have been spread all over this list like cream cheese?  is the
> >  digest-ion process at fault?  will i read your thrills soon?  i
> > won't spoil the joy of
> >  "tonguey kisses" for you, go read it yourself.
> >

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ok that is quite an article!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hmm.


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larissa c. brown
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(i was sworn at; wow).
please excuse my stupid email program.  non-html version, take 2:

*
igc.
http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00/
the bedroom interview with amy ray

has no one read this?  did i somehow miss the heart-thumping posts
that should have been spread all over this list like cream cheese?  is the
digest-ion process at fault? will i read your thrills soon?
i won't spoil the joy of [amy's] "tonguey kisses" for you, go read it yourself.

*
nigc.
there's more to this band than bootlegs
and pc wanking. have we said all that
can be said?

don't be insulted, i'm not talking about you.

luv,
h, in raptures that she'll see 'em tomorrow, but
far more excited to see the butchies
and sleater-kinney *together* over & over
in may for the same amount of cash


try sparknotes.com!  because cliffs notes(tm) cost money!
(cliffs notes is a registered trademark for cliffs notes, inc.)

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in a message dated 2/16/00 4:36:49 pm pacific standard time, h@thespark.com
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> (i was sworn at; wow).
geez, i'm sorry!  maybe i've been living in l.a. too long, but i didn't even
stop to consider that a friendly "what the hell was that" was swearing to
some people...
sorry!

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hey, i had wacky packs!  one was for kentucky fried fingers (they're chicken
lickin' good)

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i was wondering if anyone was planning a listmeet for the ig show in
lancaster?  i am going and i know there's bunches of others too...
i think we should get something going...next thursday!!!  woohoo!!!
peace and love,
      carrie
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i have two tickets for sale for the ig show at franklin & marshall college
in lancaster, pa on thursday, 2/24/00.  i'm selling them for $27.75 each
(how much i paid for them, including tm charges), or best offer.  seats are
general admission, and rose polenzani is opening.  please e-mail me if
you're interested.

andi
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anyone know where i can find any tab for come on now social? :)
gina

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oh my goodness, i dont' know if i want to know this much about amy...

btw, please excuse me for my ignorance, if amy had such a crush on a guy
before, wouldn't that make her a bi-sexual instead of gay? sorry, just a
stupid question from a straight girl.

in a message dated 2/16/00 6:19:58 pm, h@thespark.com writes:

<< http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00 >>

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shedyskin@aol.com wrote:
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> oh my goodness, i dont' know if i want to know this much about amy...
>
> btw, please excuse me for my ignorance, if amy had such a crush on a guy
> before, wouldn't that make her a bi-sexual instead of gay? sorry, just a
> stupid question from a straight girl.---------------------------------------------------------------

no, of course it doesn't make her bi.  hell, i was married - twice - to
men (although i use the word very loosley.  i wouldn't even categorize
them as members of the human race - those low evolved, sleazy
cro-magnons, those slimy cretins), but i digress.  i am a very happy
lesbian, and no, i didn't suddenly "change" or "switch" teams as some
ignorant people like to say - i've always been gay but it took me a lot
longer than most people to figure out who i was and what was truly
important to me and to stop denying it and accept that fact.  and you're
not stupid either.

elaine

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is this bedroom article with amy the real deal ? i was shocked at some of
the things said and hysterically laffin from my shock at the blunt-ness of
it (and believe im pretty dam- uh i mean darn blunt ) .....i dunno i think
maybe this is a really early april fools joke or the this chicky is on a
heavy medication...i think it would rock if it were real becuase its a riot
but i have my doubts...anyone else?
-jess

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ok, here's the teaser......

"in order to get amy ray to do this bedroom interview, i had to have sex with
her. before and after. fortunately, we have been together for two years, ever
since i interviewed her for a story on the indigo girls for ms. magazine, so
it didn't seem too piggish a request. when i visited her bedroom this time,
she was six months into touring for the latest indigo girls record, come on
now social, and one week into recording her first solo record, which will
remain nameless as per her order. (the solo project is coming out on her
ten-year-old indie label, daemon records.) amy ray's bedroom (much like amy
ray) is both ascetic and over-the-top, like a nun in a leather habit."


<<<<<<<<<<snip>>>>>>>>>>>

to read the rest of jennifer's interview........

<a
href="http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00/">http://www.nerve.com/be
droominterview/02-15-00/</a>


enjoy!

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in a message dated 00-02-16 18:09:20 est, indigyrlieman@aol.com writes:

<< is it just me, or has anyone else had the impression that the history
channel
is...well...i don't know the term, but look at the names of the
shows..."weapons at war,"  "secrets of ww2," etc.
it seems to be top heavy with this stuff and not enough about women or
non-war stuff...
  >>

the history channel?     you mean the all hitler, all the time channel?     :)


indi

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-jess

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why?  read on...

amy thanked *who* prominently in the liner notes of cons?  none other than
jennifer baumgardner. (and has referred to her in the cuba diaries, etc).

magazine's mission statement (in part)?
"nerve exists because sex is beautiful and absurd, remarkably fun and
reliably trauma-inducing. in short, it is a subject in need of a fearless,
intelligent forum for both genders. we believe that women (men too, but
especially women) have waited long enough for a smart, honest magazine on
sex."

would amy be into this idea for a magazine?  methinks yes!

who else would amy let snap such a goofy picture but her girlfriend??

the magazine seems legit and is full of archives.

i rest my gleeful case :o)

lisa

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ok i jumped the fence on this one cuz after reading the article and posting
i noticed who wrote it and it did ring a bell (the cons liner) and i clicked
on her name and expored the sight more and realized that it probably is
legit ...yeeee f*#kin hawwwwww!!!
-jess

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subject:      re: the history channel
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        my husband is, sadly, addicted to the history channel. i work days and he
works nights so, fortunately, i'm spared much of their programming. i think
at the base of it is that so many of their shows are about wars, which of
course are dominated by men, hence the huge amount of man-based
programming.
        i see women's names roll by in the credits for the shows, but so few of
the shows focus on women or minorities or pretty much anything other than
men/war. the programs that do digress from this formula are usually quite
good and well worth watching...just not enough of them.
        michelle

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> from: indigokat@aol.com
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> subject: re: the history channel
> date: wednesday, february 16, 2000 10:28 pm
>
> in a message dated 00-02-16 18:09:20 est, indigyrlieman@aol.com writes:
>
> << is it just me, or has anyone else had the impression that the history
> channel
>  is...well...i don't know the term, but look at the names of the
>  shows..."weapons at war,"  "secrets of ww2," etc.
>  it seems to be top heavy with this stuff and not enough about women or
>  non-war stuff...
>   >>
>
> the history channel?     you mean the all hitler, all the time channel?
  :)
>
>
> indi
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date:         thu, 17 feb 2000 10:25:54 +0400
reply-to:     sandy i-o's <sandyind@emirates.net.ae>
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i hate to be a pain in the proverbial, but would anyone be able to send me
this webpage as i dont seem to be able to get it, i guess its cos its on the
emirates control list (i live in the middle east in the uae), and there does
seem to be some sex discussion on it, so the emirates control list might not
like it too much.  sorry if this is a pain and i am sure it should only be
sent to private mail.  naturally any pictures (i am almost certain that they
are not actually pictures of sex, so i think i will be jes fine) it would be
great to see or read anything - particularly since there seems to be some
jocularity/controversy/heaps interesting stuff said about it.

regards,
sandy i-o's

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>date: thu, 17 feb 2000 4:32 am
>

> http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00/

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this was posted to a tori bootleg list....this guy was arrested a while ago...

<<the first mp3 bust -- 22yr old convicted of felony for trading music
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a university of oregon student is convicted for trading music and software.
is jeffrey levy a significant copyright pirate or just incredibly unlucky?
levy, a twenty-two-year-old student and groundskeeper at the university of
oregon, in eugene, recently earned the unenviable distinction of becoming the
first person to be convicted under 1997's no electronic theft act after he
pleaded guilty in u.s. district court to felony charges of criminal copyright
infringement. the reason? levy had posted and traded pirated mp3 music files,
games, software and films through the university's internet server.

the net act makes it a crime to reproduce or distribute copyrighted software
programs, including musical recordings, even if the defendant is giving them
away. levy, whom prosecutors say posted "thousands" of files, could be
sentenced to three years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000. under a plea
agreement, however, he is likely to be fined less than $10,000 and put on
probation.

that's only partial comfort to levy, who declined to comment pending his
sentencing -- except to emphasize that his sole interest had been to trade
pirated files with others. "[the justice department] gave the impression that
i gave them out to anyone," he says, "that i was this robin hood -- 'come and
get it.' and that's not true. i was trading with other people."

still, levy is clearly culpable under the law. the biggest question, however,
is whether a college student operating a free-software and mp3 site is a
suitable first target of law intended to help shield software producers from
wide-ranging worldwide infringement problems.

when asked whether charging a college student who traded illegal files in his
spare time wasn't like busting a kid for pot and declaring it a major victory
in the war on drugs, sean hoar, the assistant u.s. attorney in eugene
overseeing the case, says it is more appropriate to characterize levy as "a
kid in a hydroponic grove with a couple hundred thousand plants worth
millions of dollars."

"at sentencing, the size of the site will become apparent," hoar says, "and
that doesn't even speak to how much was downloaded to people and the
additional losses to the victims. whether it was a kid who was eighteen or an
adult who was forty-three, it's the type of site that any victim, whether
you're a small or large software producer, would be offended by."

hoar says his office began investigating levy after receiving a call from the
manager of the university's internet server, who noticed levy's unusually
wide bandwidth use. hoar was not initially aware that this was the first
prosecution under the net act, he says: "i thought everyone was doing what we
were doing and that we were doing what we should in terms of enforcing the
statute. we felt the size of the site clearly warranted our attention; only
afte we took action on it did i learn it was the first. it's not like this
guy was selected as an example."

my mother's husband sent me this article he cut out of some magazine. i can't
source the magazine from the cut out, but it appears to be computer oriented
(judging from the other article attached re: online gaming). >>>>

i think the primary issue here was the fact that he pirated sotware....but
still...
lisa

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date:         thu, 17 feb 2000 02:05:33 est
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i just looked at the history channel's next programme--it's called "big rigs
of combat"
hmmm...what's next, "demolition derbies of the third reich?"
"tractor pulls at the court of hirohito?"
"bullfighting with il duce?"

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date:         wed, 16 feb 2000 23:09:47 -0800
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> i think the primary issue here was the fact that he pirated sotware....but
> still...
> lisa

as a uo student (though i didn't know the guy) i can speak to this
somewhat... the amin issue was not mp3s, although that is what's getting
hyped.  the issue was the large amount of pirated software, and even
more so, the fact that he was running a very high traffic ftp server
with all of this on it (and listing it all over the place under his real
name)... so most of us have nothing to worry about...

shannon

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<< > btw, please excuse me for my ignorance, if amy had such a crush on a guy
> before, wouldn't that make her a bi-sexual instead of gay? sorry, just a
> stupid question from a straight
girl.---------------------------------------------------------------

no, of course it doesn't make her bi.  >>

hmmm...ok i'm kinda confused...what is the difference between considering
yourself gay versus bisexual??? i realize lots of gay people (staights too)
think that bisexuality is a cop out -- i personally don't...i like to have to
sex with men, i want to have sex with women. i don't like relationships with
men, i'd like to have relationships with women...i consider myself bisexual.
the first time i saw melissa etheridge on tv she was on the arsenio hall show
and talked about how she is attractd to people - regardless of gender, but
she has always had relationships with women. i was reading an older article
where she talked about having a crush on sting. so what is the difference??
the fact that amy doesn't hae sex with men??

please don't flame me...i am honestly curious since i have recently come to
terms with my own fluid sexuality and i find the attitude toward biexuality
very interesting. (plus i am sick to death of *expletive deleted* flames.)

lisa :p

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let me just tell y'all, my mom rocks!!!!

she entered the online win ig tix contest, and requested the u of chicago show.  anyway, she won!!!!  so i am going to the show for sure now.  no begging sulli to let me in or sneaking in or anything!

:-) karen (who is 'happier than a hornet on crack')


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date:         thu, 17 feb 2000 08:44:06 est
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it is legitimate. jennifer is an established writer. amy is her girlfriend.
nerve is literate smut. sex is good.

:-)


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date: thu, 17 feb 2000 00:20:45 -0500

ok i jumped the fence on this one cuz after reading the article and posting
i noticed who wrote it and it did ring a bell (the cons liner) and i clicked
on her name and expored the sight more and realized that it probably is
legit ...yeeee f*#kin hawwwwww!!!
-jess

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date:         thu, 17 feb 2000 09:22:10 est
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yeah, this is a very interesting topic.  i, too, wonder about some people's
take on bisexuality.  that whole "cop out" thing is just, well, just an
opinion that doesn't seem to do anyone any good, or so it seems to me.  and
besides, even if the person is taking a "cop out" route by saying s/he is
bi, so what?  maybe, hopefully one day that person will feel comfortable
enough in her/himself and in the world to be able to proclaim her/his
sexuality in one way or the other.  or, maybe that person really is bi.  i
think we have just been brought up in a society where, because of the
history and the culture, so many people like things (or want things) to be
black and white, up or down, and so many are just uncomforable with
in-betweens or fluidity or so-called gray areas.  but a gray area to some
certainly may not be for others.
lisa, who identifies with the questions asked by the other lisa

><< > btw, please excuse me for my ignorance, if amy had such a crush on a
>guy
>  > before, wouldn't that make her a bi-sexual instead of gay? sorry, just
>a
>  > stupid question from a straight
>girl.---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  no, of course it doesn't make her bi.  >>
>
>hmmm...ok i'm kinda confused...what is the difference between considering
>yourself gay versus bisexual??? i realize lots of gay people (staights too)
>think that bisexuality is a cop out -- i personally don't
>the first time i saw melissa etheridge on tv she was on the arsenio hall
>show
>and talked about how she is attractd to people - regardless of gender, but
>she has always had relationships with women. i was reading an older article
>where she talked about having a crush on sting. so what is the difference??
>the fact that amy doesn't hae sex with men??
>
>please don't flame me...i am honestly curious since i have recently come to
>terms with my own fluid sexuality and i find the attitude toward biexuality
>very interesting. (plus i am sick to death of *expletive deleted* flames.)
>
>lisa :p
>
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date:         thu, 17 feb 2000 08:47:02 -0600
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okay.  i had plenty of crushes on guys in high school.  i still have crushes on
guys now and then.  some guys are just plain cute and lovable, etc... still, i
consider myself gay.  why?  because the only significant relationship i have ever
had is with a woman.  i think these labels are identified differently by
different people.  to me it's not who i'm attracted to or even who i sleep with;
it's who i fall in love with.

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i'm married 18 years and i feel lucky to still be crazy in love with my
husband. i can only reply from personal experience. i consider myself a
heterosexual in that
i've always felt an attraction to men since i hit puberty even though as
i've gotten older i've been able to acknowledge being attracted to women and
have gone to bed with a woman in the past. i guess some people would
consider me a bisexual because of that fact but i don't. also, i have many
straight girl friends and almost none of them know about my that part of my
sexual past. the person i slept with is a close friend and married herself.
personally, i think all labels suck anyway...all types, racial, sexual and
religious included.
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> << > btw, please excuse me for my ignorance, if amy had such a crush on a
guy
>  > before, wouldn't that make her a bi-sexual instead of gay? sorry, just
a
>  > stupid question from a straight
> girl.---------------------------------------------------------------
>
>  no, of course it doesn't make her bi.  >>
>
> hmmm...ok i'm kinda confused...what is the difference between considering
> yourself gay versus bisexual??? i realize lots of gay people (staights
too)
> think that bisexuality is a cop out -- i personally don't...i like to have
to
> sex with men, i want to have sex with women. i don't like relationships
with
> men, i'd like to have relationships with women...i consider myself
bisexual.
> the first time i saw melissa etheridge on tv she was on the arsenio hall
show
> and talked about how she is attractd to people - regardless of gender, but
> she has always had relationships with women. i was reading an older
article
> where she talked about having a crush on sting. so what is the
difference??
> the fact that amy doesn't hae sex with men??
>
> please don't flame me...i am honestly curious since i have recently come
to
> terms with my own fluid sexuality and i find the attitude toward
biexuality
> very interesting. (plus i am sick to death of *expletive deleted* flames.)
>
> lisa :p
>
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date:         thu, 17 feb 2000 06:52:57 pst
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i think david bowie said it best.
"i am not heterosexual, i am not homosexual.  i am sexual>

just my two cents.


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i'd love to attend a listmeet for the lancaster show. i've never been to one
before. i'll be getting there early to beat the traffic and will have tons
of time to kill. i'll be bringing my 10 year old rabid-ig-fan son, jordan,
with me though and this may cramp some listees style. be honest and let me
know if his attendance would bother anyone. he is well behaved, intelligent
and open-minded and knowledgable about alternative lifestyles. but i
understand that some people don't want kids hanging around an adult
get-together so i would understand if someone objected to his coming along.
lynne
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carrie,

i'm up for it!  i don't know anything about the area though, so i can't
really organize anything.  how about dinner before the show?  anyone
else that's going have an idea?

jean

--- carrie knepp <ig4me@hotmail.com> wrote:
> i was wondering if anyone was planning a listmeet for the ig show in
> lancaster?  i am going and i know there's bunches of others too...
> i think we should get something going...next thursday!!!  woohoo!!!
> peace and love,
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i hope no one flames you because this is certainly a legit question.

here's my answer for me:

i have had entaglements with both sexes in the past (altho and this point in
my life, it is all women all the the time.)

i can still work up a crush on a guy. i have one on a dude at work. he's
funny and really cute. and i would sleep with him in a second. i wont, but i
would, you know.

but i know i could never fall in love with him. and that for me is the
dividing line. i have no desire to have a relationship with this or anyother
man. an affair certainly would be ok, but not a relationship.

when someone is talking to me about a fluid sexuality, i always ask "ok, but
where is your emotional center. that is, emotionally, which sex do you find
yourself fixated on?"

for lesbians, it is women.

notice in the nerve article when amy says that the guys she is attracted to
always have to be super good looking. but the women, well it seems they need
to be super smart.

that makes total sense to me. for a lesbian it would be something below that
surface that is important in another woman, you know. with a guy, it would be
more of an aesthetic thing. altho the guy i currently have the crush on has a
lot going for him.

help at  all? sexuality can be a puzzler at times.
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<< hmmm...ok i'm kinda confused...what is the difference between considering
yourself gay versus bisexual??? i realize lots of gay people (staights too)
think that bisexuality is a cop out -- i personally don't...i like to have to
sex with men, i want to have sex with women. i don't like relationships with
men, i'd like to have relationships with women...i consider myself bisexual.
the first time i saw melissa etheridge on tv she was on the arsenio hall show
and talked about how she is attractd to people - regardless of gender, but
she has always had relationships with women. i was reading an older article
where she talked about having a crush on sting. so what is the difference??
the fact that amy doesn't hae sex with men??
>>

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>http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00/
>the bedroom interview with amy ray
>
>has no one read this?  did i somehow miss the heart-thumping posts
>that should have been spread all over this list like cream cheese?  >will i
>read your thrills soon? i won't spoil the joy of [amy's] >"tonguey kisses"
>for you, go read it yourself.


mmmmmmmmmm-mmmmmmmm!...this is a delicious one alright...but after reading
it i'm tempted to commit the unpardonable sin...yup...i'm tempted to say,
screw, amy...let me at jennifer!..oh baby, is she great for this interview
work or what?!..*lol*...and damn if i don't have a whole new take on the
laura ingals visual!
have fun ya'll!

rugbygrrl...who just luuuvs the smart hotties...
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>is this bedroom article with amy the real deal ? i was shocked at some of
>the things said and hysterically laffin from my shock at the blunt-ness of
>it (and believe im pretty dam- uh i mean darn blunt ) .....i dunno i think
>maybe this is a really early april fools joke or the this chicky is on a
>heavy medication...i think it would rock if it were real becuase its a riot
>but i have my doubts...anyone else?
>-jess
>
>
>
>you're not alone, jess, i have to say, it does sound pretty suspicious to
>me also, but god, i pray it's the real deal, too!  here's to hoping!
>
>annamarie


***well, her g-friend does have the same name as the interviewer...are you
thinking nerve made up the interview from the g-friend's point of
view?...it's great either way!*bg*
that laura ingals' thang just cracked me up!

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ok, i have to agree with david bowie on this one. i am a big advocate of
'sexuality', and just being 'sexual', for the simple reason that the term
pansexual leaves me cold and seems like a cop-out much more than bisexual ever
would.

of course, to me, bisexual tries to incorporate the dichotomy of sexuality
that simply does not exist.

whew.

to answer the question, yes i'm a lesbian, but no i have never had any
experiences with men. i've never even had a crush on a guy. my brain is
hard-wired so completely towards women (and i do believe it's the hardware
that makes me me, not the software) that males are an unthinkable
non-alternative. it just doesn't happen.

once people have accepted that, which can take a while, then they ask about
the butch-femme thing. i'm in the middle, so everyone wants to know... but
thats another post.

love, squishy feelings and un-tonguey smoochies,
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>i have no desire to have a relationship with this or anyother
>man. an affair certainly would be ok, but not a relationship.
>
>when someone is talking to me about a fluid sexuality, i always ask "ok,
>but where is your emotional center. that is, emotionally, which sex do you
>find yourself fixated on?"
>
>for lesbians, it is women.

hmmm...i'm resisting the urge to say "but what does that make me?", because
i'm resisting the urge to put names on anthing right now but...here's the
scenario.  i haven't dated a guy since the end of college, when i came out.
i have (except for a fleeting crush on an exceptionally gorgeous and flaming
singer in ca, who doesn't even know i exist) never even been attracted to a
guy since college.  then, about a month ago, i meet this guy through a
mutual friend, for whom i quickly become the 'gay confidant'...except, about
two days into our three hour conversations over vegetarian
somethingoranother, i am falling head over smitten-little-feet into all of
this, as is he.  i didn't want to be dating a guy.  i fight like heck
against it, but if i peel it all back, and say, "i'm taking this person at
face value (and everything underneath), as a person instead of a 'male' or a
'female', i know what i feel for him, labels be darned.

i'm just relishing the moment.  and the fact that i'm finally dating someone
as into chickie music and glitter as i am. ;)

shel
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now this is a topic i have been thinking on for quite a while.  until i met
my girlfriend, i never really considered women.  all the guy that i was
attracted to weren't good looking at all (excpt for the famous ones... i
mean the ones that i actually had access to).  i fell in love with them for
who they were, and then became attracted to what they looked like.
unfortunately, they never fell for me.  the ones who fell for me i wasn't
attracted to at all.  my g/f is the first person who ever returned the love
that i have to give.  i would never have thought of myself having sex with a
woman, but the feelings of love were so strong that i became attracted to
her.  nowadays if i were to be looking for someone i think i still look at
men the most, but now my eyes would not be closed to other options.  but
happily i do not intend to ever have to look for someone again. as paul
reiser said in his book couplehood, i found "the one that fits" period.

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i don't think anybody's mentioned this, but the
official site has a new date posted.

april 15th, manhattanville college, purchase, ny
(don't ask me where that is)

also, someone in the mein chatroom yesterday told me
the girls were playing syracuse in may, but left
before i could press it for more info.  anybody
confirm this one?

ok, i'm not going to say too much bout that interview
cause i've cooled down since i read it yesterday
(hearing beth wood's hero's almanac in my head all
night helped), but someone else (sorry, i deleted your
name!) summed it up for me:
> oh my goodness, i dont' know if i want to know this
> much about amy...
this one ranked right up there on the tmi list with
the infamous sarah mclachlan penis interview.  guess
it's time to erase amy's name from that part in the
faq about respecting the girls' personal lives.

lori (who promises to never turn my back on a hero of
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> << hmmm...ok i'm kinda confused...what is the difference between considering
> yourself gay versus bisexual???

ask 10 people and you'll probably get a variety of answers.  for me, the diff
between being bi and gay is not wanting to be sexually intimate with men.  i am
in love with  women, and therefore in all probability, would not be in a position
to know a man on an intimate level.  i'm not saying that i could never love a man
if a "situation" arose, but it most likely will not arise.   i feel more
connected to my girlfriend than i ever did with anyone else.  i think you should
love whomever you feel comfortable with and loving with and respected by . . .
etc., - regardless of sex.  screw the labels too.  you are whatever you want to
be.

> i was reading an older article
> where she talked about having a crush on sting.

i had a crush on mr. partridge too.    i have a major crush on my favorite actor,
paul newman - sigh, . . . those blue eyes - and those dimples.  his wife, joanne
woodward is a cutie too - in a butchie straight girl kind of way.  i wish paul
newman were a lesbian.

elaine

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lori ann wrote:

> guess
> it's time to erase amy's name from that part in the
> faq about respecting the girls' personal lives.

you are kidding, right?  i won't launch into a tirade about respect of
privacy, yada yada yada, because i think you are joking, at least i hope
so.

elaine

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lori ann wrote:

> i don't think anybody's mentioned this, but the
> official site has a new date posted.
>
> april 15th, manhattanville college, purchase, ny
> (don't ask me where that is)
>
> also, someone in the mein chatroom yesterday told me
> the girls were playing syracuse in may, but left
> before i could press it for more info.  anybody
> confirm this one?
>
> ok, i'm not going to say too much bout that interview
> cause i've cooled down since i read it yesterday
> (hearing beth wood's hero's almanac in my head all
> night helped), but someone else (sorry, i deleted your
> name!) summed it up for me:
> > oh my goodness, i dont' know if i want to know this
> > much about amy...
> this one ranked right up there on the tmi list with
> the infamous sarah mclachlan penis interview.  guess
> it's time to erase amy's name from that part in the
> faq about respecting the girls' personal lives.
>
> lori (who promises to never turn my back on a hero of
> mine)
>
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> nowhere left for you to go but down
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i know this is nigc, but i thought some of you out there would appreciate this...

thanks,
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<div><font size=2>police urge 2 tampa churches to boost security after
attacks<br><br>by todd starnes<br><br>tampa, fla. (bp)--the tampa police
department has advised two<br>southern baptist churches to increase their
security after the<br>churches were vandalized by homosexual activists who
also<br>threatened to disrupt worship services, according to the pastor<br>of
one of the targeted churches.<br><br>a group calling itself the "coalition to
convert baptists"<br>claimed responsibility for the vandalism at seminole
heights<br>baptist church and idlewild baptist church. the vandals used
pink<br>spray paint to mark the buildings with slogans and triangles.
the<br>same group also claimed to have planted a bomb in the seminole<br>heights
building on sunday, feb. 13.<br><br>"it could have been very bad," said greg
floyd, seminole heights'<br>pastor. "the police came and did a sweep of the
building.<br>fortunately, they didn't find anything and we were able to
have<br>morning worship services."<br><br>floyd said he has had several
anonymous calls from homosexuals<br>threatening to disrupt the church's worship
services, and those<br>calls have prompted the tampa police department to
caution the<br>congregations.<br><br>"the police have asked us to step up our
security. tonight [feb.<br>16] we've got a man coming to train our ushers on how
to react if<br>something happens during the service," floyd said. "i guess
you<br>could say that we've become a focal point in this issue."<br><br>the
"issue" surrounds a feb. 26 conference scheduled at<br>neighboring bell shoals
baptist church and sponsored by focus on<br>the family. the conference focuses
on homosexual issues facing<br>youth and a recent advertising campaign featured
the slogan,<br>"tired of being gay?" the graffiti that appeared at the
two<br>churches featured a similar slogan, "are you tired of
being<br>baptist?"<br><br>john paulk, homosexuality and gender analyst at focus
on the<br>family, said the damage is a sign of intolerance. "in recent<br>weeks,
we have seen intolerance rear its ugly head simply because<br>we assert that
homosexuality can be treated and even prevented,"<br>he said.<br><br>ironically,
neither seminole heights nor idlewild is the site of<br>the conference. "we
certainly support the conference but we<br>really don't have anything to do with
the hosting of it," floyd<br>said. bell shoals was not targeted.<br><br>floyd
said he believes that his church was targeted because of<br>its visible location
downtown. "you can see the graffiti from the<br>interstate," he said. "one
caller said that we were chosen<br>because we have recently revamped our
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church."<br><br>seminole heights is located in a section of town populated
by<br>many homosexuals. "they've made strides to improve the community<br>and we
have too. our church is truly focused on reaching out to<br>the community,
single moms, addicts. and i think that since we've<br>revamped our church that
it is a slap in their face," floyd said.<br><br>"our attendance has increased
after being in decline for so many<br>years. we let people know that we deplore
the sin, but we love<br>the sinner," he added.<br><br>tampa police were tipped
off to the vandalism after the anonymous<br>group telephoned wtvt, fox 13, a
local television station.<br>assignment editor bill sharon said he quickly
realized it was not<br>a prank call. "they called to tell us they had just hit a
church<br>and they wanted to convert all baptists to gay," sharon said.
"at<br>that point, i kept them on the line and called the police on<br>another
phone."<br><br>sharon said he didn't think twice about notifying
authorities.<br>"hey, when you threaten a church, that isn't right," he
said.<br><br>despite the vandalism damage, which was cleaned away by
church<br>members, floyd said he was proud of how his congregation<br>responded.
"our people are trying to take the high road. we want<br>to help homosexuals and
that is the message that came out in the<br>local media," he said. "that's just
part of what happens when you<br>start reaching out to people."<br><br>police
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on 2/17/00 1:19 pm, casey collier at clcollie@ehc.edu spake thusly:

tampa, fla. (bp)--the tampa police department has advised two
southern baptist churches to increase their security after the
churches were vandalized by homosexual activists who also
threatened to disrupt worship services, according to the pastor
of one of the targeted churches.

i now believe that all homosexuals, without exception, are narrow-minded
extremists bent on vandalizing my church and disrupting my christian
lifestyle.

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<blockquote>on 2/17/00 1:19 pm, casey collier at clcollie@ehc.edu spake thu=
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tampa, fla. (bp)--the tampa police department has advised two<br>
southern baptist churches to increase their security after the<br>
churches were vandalized by homosexual activists who also<br>
threatened to disrupt worship services, according to the pastor<br>
of one of the targeted churches.<br>
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i now believe that all homosexuals, without exception, are narrow-minded ex=
tremists bent on vandalizing my church and disrupting my christian lifestyle=
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very often 'bisexual' get used as a term for anyone
who doesnt declare themselves as strictly gay or
straight. after all, there are many dimensions to
relationships, sex, love, communication, etc. i for
example can much more easily fall in love with a
woman, but physically i am attracted mostly only to
men. this is where terms such as 'biamorous' come in
(falling in love with either gender). it's not all
just about sex :-)

jon/jack/turtle
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on 2/17/00 2:07 pm, carrie knepp at indigo4me@webtv.net spake thusly:

> excuse the f%@k out of me!!!!!!
> i am sorry i usually dont pass judgement on people before i meet them
> and talk to them...
> and since you feel this way about homosexuals does that mean you are
> going to stop listening to the indigo girls and sign off this
> list....maybe that is what you should do....seeing as amy and emily are
> both open lesbians and a large percentage of this list are in fact
> homosexuals... i wouldn't want us to in any way infringe on your
> religious rights or freedoms anymore than you feel we aready have!!!!!
> peace and love,
> carrie


carrie:

i love the indigo girls.  more than any band on the entire planet.  i
wouldn't stop listening to them for anything.

and i don't really feel that way about homosexuals.

the reason i wrote what i did was to point out that we are all hypocrites,
and that we all are guilty of stereotyping, no matter how open-minded we
think we are.

* homosexuals think all christians are bigots.
* christians think all homosexuals are perverted sinners.
* homosexuals think bisexuals are wishy-washy.
* radical anti-abortionists bomb clinics.
* radical homosexuals vandalize houses of worship and threaten destruction.

is anybody really any better or more open-minded than anybody else?

i myself am a heterosexual christian, but i like to think i have accurate
views on homosexuality and how it relates to my faith.

when i read that article about homosexuals vandalizing churches, i smiled,
because it just reinforced the idea to me that we are all the same...we're
all vindictive, small-minded, prejudiced little humans.  christians,
atheists, homosexuals, straight people...all of us.

my original post was sarcastic.  i should have pointed that out.  sorry.

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justin,

your sarcasm wasn't lost on all of us. :)

>my original post was sarcastic.  i should have pointed that out.  sorry.


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in a message dated 2/17/00 12:19:21 pm pacific standard time,
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> * radical homosexuals vandalize houses of worship and threaten destruction.
there is not a shred of proof that the people responsible for this are even
gay.  it is just as possible that people wanting to portray "homosexuals" in
a negative light are posing as such.

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i guess those people that they are trying to 'help' might have  responded in
a way that they thought was appropriate in a public space that publically
teaches that homosexuality is something you can be cured of - hate the sin,
love the sinner stuff and all.  the bomb thing is terrible - if its true.  i
cant help but feel that this was a rather biased report to say the least, it
really paints just a charming picture doesnt it?  i mean those poor people
who are only trying to help those evil evil homosexuals from the error of
their ways (yes i am being sarcastic) etc etc, without an open discussion.
if its reporting the news that a church got attacked for being a church, i
wouldnt have a problem. if its reporting it as a battle of good and evil,
suddenly i want to start to have a problem with it.    all of this said, i
am sorry to hear some folk got seriously worried about a bomb threat, real
or imagined.

sio's

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from: casey collier <clcollie@ehc.edu>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: nigc - some things just make me sick
date: thu, 17 feb 2000 11:19 pm


i know this is nigc, but i thought some of you out there would appreciate
this...

thanks,
casey

police urge 2 tampa churches to boost security after attacks

by todd starnes

tampa, fla. (bp)--the tampa police department has advised two
southern baptist churches to increase their security after the
churches were vandalized by homosexual activists who also
threatened to disrupt worship services, according to the pastor
of one of the targeted churches.

a group calling itself the "coalition to convert baptists"
claimed responsibility for the vandalism at seminole heights
baptist church and idlewild baptist church. the vandals used pink
spray paint to mark the buildings with slogans and triangles. the
same group also claimed to have planted a bomb in the seminole
heights building on sunday, feb. 13.

"it could have been very bad," said greg floyd, seminole heights'
pastor. "the police came and did a sweep of the building.
fortunately, they didn't find anything and we were able to have
morning worship services."

floyd said he has had several anonymous calls from homosexuals
threatening to disrupt the church's worship services, and those
calls have prompted the tampa police department to caution the
congregations.

"the police have asked us to step up our security. tonight [feb.
16] we've got a man coming to train our ushers on how to react if
something happens during the service," floyd said. "i guess you
could say that we've become a focal point in this issue."

the "issue" surrounds a feb. 26 conference scheduled at
neighboring bell shoals baptist church and sponsored by focus on
the family. the conference focuses on homosexual issues facing
youth and a recent advertising campaign featured the slogan,
"tired of being gay?" the graffiti that appeared at the two
churches featured a similar slogan, "are you tired of being
baptist?"

john paulk, homosexuality and gender analyst at focus on the
family, said the damage is a sign of intolerance. "in recent
weeks, we have seen intolerance rear its ugly head simply because
we assert that homosexuality can be treated and even prevented,"
he said.

ironically, neither seminole heights nor idlewild is the site of
the conference. "we certainly support the conference but we
really don't have anything to do with the hosting of it," floyd
said. bell shoals was not targeted.

floyd said he believes that his church was targeted because of
its visible location downtown. "you can see the graffiti from the
interstate," he said. "one caller said that we were chosen
because we have recently revamped our church."

seminole heights is located in a section of town populated by
many homosexuals. "they've made strides to improve the community
and we have too. our church is truly focused on reaching out to
the community, single moms, addicts. and i think that since we've
revamped our church that it is a slap in their face," floyd said.

"our attendance has increased after being in decline for so many
years. we let people know that we deplore the sin, but we love
the sinner," he added.

tampa police were tipped off to the vandalism after the anonymous
group telephoned wtvt, fox 13, a local television station.
assignment editor bill sharon said he quickly realized it was not
a prank call. "they called to tell us they had just hit a church
and they wanted to convert all baptists to gay," sharon said. "at
that point, i kept them on the line and called the police on
another phone."

sharon said he didn't think twice about notifying authorities.
"hey, when you threaten a church, that isn't right," he said.

despite the vandalism damage, which was cleaned away by church
members, floyd said he was proud of how his congregation
responded. "our people are trying to take the high road. we want
to help homosexuals and that is the message that came out in the
local media," he said. "that's just part of what happens when you
start reaching out to people."

police are still searching for suspects in the incidents.


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i guess those people that they are trying to 'help' might have  respon=
ded in a way that they thought was appropriate in a public space that public=
ally teaches that homosexuality is something you can be cured of - hate the =
sin, love the sinner stuff and all.  the bomb thing is terrible - if it=
s true.  i cant help but feel that this was a rather biased report to s=
ay the least, it really paints just a charming picture doesnt it?  i me=
an those poor people who are only trying to help those evil evil homosexuals=
from the error of their ways (yes i am being sarcastic) etc etc, without an=
open discussion.  if its reporting the news that a church got attacked=
for being a church, i wouldnt have a problem. if its reporting it as a batt=
le of good and evil, suddenly i want to start to have a problem with it. &nb=
sp;  all of this said, i am sorry to hear some folk got seriously =
worried about a bomb threat, real or imagined. <br>
<br>
sio's<br>
<br>
----------<br>
from: casey collier <clcollie@ehc.edu><br>
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org<br>
subject: nigc - some things just make me sick<br>
date: thu, 17 feb 2000 11:19 pm<br>
<br>
<br>
<blockquote>i know this is nigc, but i thought some of you out there would =
appreciate this...<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
casey<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<font size=3d"2">police urge 2 tampa churches to boost security after attacks=
<br>
<br>
by todd starnes<br>
<br>
tampa, fla. (bp)--the tampa police department has advised two<br>
southern baptist churches to increase their security after the<br>
churches were vandalized by homosexual activists who also<br>
threatened to disrupt worship services, according to the pastor<br>
of one of the targeted churches.<br>
<br>
a group calling itself the "coalition to convert baptists"<br>
claimed responsibility for the vandalism at seminole heights<br>
baptist church and idlewild baptist church. the vandals used pink<br>
spray paint to mark the buildings with slogans and triangles. the<br>
same group also claimed to have planted a bomb in the seminole<br>
heights building on sunday, feb. 13.<br>
<br>
"it could have been very bad," said greg floyd, seminole heights'=
<br>
pastor. "the police came and did a sweep of the building.<br>
fortunately, they didn't find anything and we were able to have<br>
morning worship services."<br>
<br>
floyd said he has had several anonymous calls from homosexuals<br>
threatening to disrupt the church's worship services, and those<br>
calls have prompted the tampa police department to caution the<br>
congregations.<br>
<br>
"the police have asked us to step up our security. tonight [feb.<br>
16] we've got a man coming to train our ushers on how to react if<br>
something happens during the service," floyd said. "i guess you<b=
r>
could say that we've become a focal point in this issue."<br>
<br>
the "issue" surrounds a feb. 26 conference scheduled at<br>
neighboring bell shoals baptist church and sponsored by focus on<br>
the family. the conference focuses on homosexual issues facing<br>
youth and a recent advertising campaign featured the slogan,<br>
"tired of being gay?" the graffiti that appeared at the two<br>
churches featured a similar slogan, "are you tired of being<br>
baptist?"<br>
<br>
john paulk, homosexuality and gender analyst at focus on the<br>
family, said the damage is a sign of intolerance. "in recent<br>
weeks, we have seen intolerance rear its ugly head simply because<br>
we assert that homosexuality can be treated and even prevented,"<br>
he said.<br>
<br>
ironically, neither seminole heights nor idlewild is the site of<br>
the conference. "we certainly support the conference but we<br>
really don't have anything to do with the hosting of it," floyd<br>
said. bell shoals was not targeted.<br>
<br>
floyd said he believes that his church was targeted because of<br>
its visible location downtown. "you can see the graffiti from the<br>
interstate," he said. "one caller said that we were chosen<br>
because we have recently revamped our church."<br>
<br>
seminole heights is located in a section of town populated by<br>
many homosexuals. "they've made strides to improve the community<br>
and we have too. our church is truly focused on reaching out to<br>
the community, single moms, addicts. and i think that since we've<br>
revamped our church that it is a slap in their face," floyd said.<br>
<br>
"our attendance has increased after being in decline for so many<br>
years. we let people know that we deplore the sin, but we love<br>
the sinner," he added.<br>
<br>
tampa police were tipped off to the vandalism after the anonymous<br>
group telephoned wtvt, fox 13, a local television station.<br>
assignment editor bill sharon said he quickly realized it was not<br>
a prank call. "they called to tell us they had just hit a church<br>
and they wanted to convert all baptists to gay," sharon said. "at=
<br>
that point, i kept them on the line and called the police on<br>
another phone."<br>
<br>
sharon said he didn't think twice about notifying authorities.<br>
"hey, when you threaten a church, that isn't right," he said.<br>
<br>
despite the vandalism damage, which was cleaned away by church<br>
members, floyd said he was proud of how his congregation<br>
responded. "our people are trying to take the high road. we want<br>
to help homosexuals and that is the message that came out in the<br>
local media," he said. "that's just part of what happens when you=
<br>
start reaching out to people."<br>
<br>
police are still searching for suspects in the incidents.<br>
<br>
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in a message dated 00-02-17 13:37:54 est, liltree@yahoo.com writes:

<< guess
it's time to erase amy's name from that part in the
faq about respecting the girls' personal lives.
  >>


not so fast, that's like someone giving you an inch and you taking a mile.
respect what she offers and she might even be more forthcoming in the future.
dont respect the person and they are more likely to be more conservative.

indi

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yeah, i bet the 700 hundred people on this list want to hear my take on
sexuality.  <snicker>

i certainly am a big rainbow n pink triangle covered lezzie.  honestly, that
interview w/amy was more than i needed to know.  now, this was a very
immature, self-centered first reaction, but...the gay-center of my brain was
like "amy...out lesbian...admitting crushes on guys...hmm."   now, in all
honesty, the second thought i had was, now some homophobe is going to read
it, and think, aha, even an indigo girl can have crushes on men, that means
the whole lot of them are just perverts going against the grain, and would
probably try to get amy into one of those ex-gay/de-gaying programs.  (:
but, of course, the logical me was like.....plenty of queer people have
opposite sex crushes/feelings/etc....what right do i have passing judgement
on amy... and...homophobes are going to think that anyway.

i was set up....wired to respond to/enjoy/fall in love with/etc women.
some men can be cute, but it's like the 'gay' part of me is so huge and has
been something i've been aware of since i was 10, that i just am gay.
now, you don't have to admit it, but did any one else have a sort of squimish
first reaction to hearing amy's johnny depp crush?

mel

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mel & co.

>now, you don't have to admit it, but did any one else have a sort of
>squimish first reaction to hearing amy's johnny depp crush?

actually, i thought it was pretty darn cool...i mean, five years ago, i was
terribly upset to realize that shawn colvin was straight, but now...i think
it takes a lot of guts to go against whatever's perceived of you, whether
its 'straightness' by the straight community or 'gayness' by the gay
community (or 'gay' by the straight community, etc.).  not that having a
crush on johnny depp is any indication of anyone's sexuality...

peace,
shel
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see, for some reason i really think it's wonderful that amy can admit to an
attraction to some men.  it just shows a great self-awareness, bravery, and
refusal to put herself into a box. also, and maybe this is the ani difranco
loving part of me speaking, i kind of enjoy the fact that all the women
(myself included) who look to her as some butch lesbian goddess have to
deal with her fallibility and humanity, the fact that she's a real person,
not a symbol.
and for the record, i consider myself a lesbian. however, what i mean by
that is different from what other people mean by it, in the sense that
everyone's definition is going to be slightly different. for example,
unlike someone else on this list who posted earlier today, i could see
myself falling in love with a man but i am not really partial to the idea
of heterosexual sex.
and did anyone else think that amy looked amazingly young and unsettlingly
like some sort of animai charactor? (i know i spelled that wrong)

"women are the ones held to be responsible in general, but instead of not
holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
                        --amy ray

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then what do you make of me, a christian lesbian?  i
grew up in the church (albeit, a far cry from southern
baptist as a midwestern united methodist), and my
father is an ordained minister.  coming out has not
made me turn my back on my faith.  some people have a
problem with homosexuality at church, most of my
church is overwhelming supportive.  churches like mine
don't make the news though, and according to all too
many christians and homosexuals, being both is
impossible.  i like being a living contradiction.
:)carrie
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the interviewer is her g/f.  don't you love the ig list jess?

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i just want to thank y'all for your input on the definition of gay vs
bisexual. now i know although i have my own definition, there's many others
and there's no right or wrong definition. it's ok to have different opinions
existing in one community. thank y'all also for not framing a flamable
question. as i said before, i'm straight and doesn't know too much about the
gay/bi community culture.  reading your mails broadened my horizon.

peace
dorothy

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i need imput into something that i am writing.
if anyone is willing to anser the following questions i would really
appreciate it.
here they are:

is it objectifying for one woman to ogle another in the same sense that it
is for a man to see a woman as a lust object?

can one be both a lesbian, enjoying the way women look and perhaps even
secretly getting off on all of those adds in which women appear nude or are
otherwise objectified in order to sell products, and also be a feminist,
fighting for equality for woman and their right not to be viewed as sex
toys?

any further comments are also welcomed.
e-mail me privately, of course, and please include your sexual orientation,
gender, age, race and any other personal info. you find pertinant.
thanks again!!
--sarah

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holding them to that standard, we should start holding men to it as well."
                        --amy ray

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hi all

just to let you all know, the speech amy and emily did at the va show this
past saturday is now up and running on the ig site.

peace
sandy

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just for my two cents...i liked the interview and really didn't look into
it much.  i thought it was great.  cjb
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hi :)
i was just wondering if the person who was making the
window clings could email me privately.. i have
already contacted you once, but have lost your email
addy and have yet to hear from you...

thanks!!
katy wember :)
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in a message dated 2/17/00 6:53:08 am pacific standard time,
timlynlist@home.com writes:

<< i guess some people would
consider me a bisexual because of that fact but i don't >>

right on. i hate it when people try to define sexuality based on what a
person has done sexually and not by how they feel.

katy

"i want somebody who can hold my interest, hold it and never let it fall.
somebody who can flatten me with a kiss that hits like a fist, or a sentence
that stops me like a brick wall." -=-ani difranco-=-

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i feel like such an idiot!!!!!!
i was gonna buy a tape recorder and boot the show but i was in a hurry, got lost, etc and forgot.....
if anyone was at that show and got a good boot, i'll trade them four ig boots for it....it was such a great show.....i am sooo kicking myself in the butt right now....
bright blessings and bruised bottoms,
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>from:    indigo mel <melijoy@aol.com>
>now, you don't have to admit it, but did any one else have a sort of squimish
>first reaction to hearing amy's johnny depp crush?

i found it amusing, since depp is one that i've always joked could convert
me. :-)

but to answer your question seriously, i think most were surprised at the
man she actually knew and dated and had a crush on -- within the last few
years.    to which i say -- big f'in deal.  i consider myself a lesbian
because i have never fallen in love with a man.  but i don't discount the
possibility that it could happen, and i won't presume that it couldn't
happen until i meet every single man on the planet, including johnny depp. :-)

does having a "crush" make one bi-?  that's really not for me to say;
however amy cares to classify herself i'll happily respect the identity she
adopts.  imo, affectional orientation and sexual orientation can come in
variety of combinations, and the labels "straight" "bi" and "gay," while
useful, are insufficient to describe them all.

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--- digest anonymous <earthgrrl0@aol.com> wrote:
it was such a
> great show.....i am sooo kicking myself in the butt
> right now....
> bright blessings and bruised bottoms,
> earthgrrl
it was an awesome show last night!!!  one of the best
i've seen.  unfortunately i didn't boot it either :(
but wow, it was really really good.
laurel
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deb wrote:
>does having a "crush" make one bi-?  that's really not for me to say;
>however amy cares to classify herself i'll happily respect the identity she
>adopts.  imo, affectional orientation and sexual orientation can come in
>variety of combinations, and the labels "straight" "bi" and "gay," while
>useful, are insufficient to describe them all.

i totally agree.  the only reason i use the label "lesbian" - when i use a
label at all - is because it comes the closest to describing
myaffectional/sexual orientation.  however, i cannot discount the fact that
i've had mad crushes on male members of the species before, and it might
happen again.  sexuality can be a very fluid thing.  i heard the word
"omnisexual" once, not sure where, but i like it.  as for the gender of my
"tree in the forest"?  who knows... i'm lost out on the bare, brushless
llano.

~~rainne
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it had some advice to offer on drunkenness.
"go to it," it said, "and good luck."
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i echo the sentiments of shedyskin.  i am
personlly  not sure  of my orientation,  and it's
very interesting to hear differing  views on
what it means to belong to the glbt  communities,  what's gay what's not
gay.

i support  gay rights all the way,  i applaud amy and emily  for being
out  in  expressing  that they are lesbians,  and dissapprove  of
christians  going out and dissing  glbt people
i  am christian  and ws taught  that literally  christian  means
"christ-like."   in the gospels
jesus never dirrectly stated  an oppinion for or against  homosexuality,
so  i wonder  just how
"christ-like"  christians  are being when  they diss  gay christians.
i  explore  gay sexuality,
and hetero sexuality  and i'm  a christian.

does  that mean i'm any less of a person ? or that    i'm  not a good
christian?  i can respect that  others may not be christians ,  that's
a persons  own choice ,  and shoving  religion
down  person's throat  isn't my idea of what it means to be
"christ-l=like.".

i  appreciate  that so-far  the  discussion  has
not been inflamatory or derrogatory towards anyone for their views.
it's importatant  to respect differing views  if we're going to
acomplish anything  good in the gay rights arena..  take  care
everyone.

peace

barb

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hi folks,

remember to delete all unnecessary text when replying!

keep your sig lines to 6 lines at maximum or turn it off before posting.

do not post nigc articles to the list.  as stated in the list faq, the
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i'd also point out that it must have taken the oves of mother nature
herself for someone who is *soo* popularly identified as a big ole lesbian
to actually acknowledge her interest in any guy and then to pursue it.  if
everyone were that honest and that brave we'd live in a much better world.

rock on, friends.
margaret

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just a note... make sure you follow the link on baumgardner's name <http://www.nerve.com/aboutnerve/contributors/baumgardner.html> for a picture of her, a bio, and a link to her review of germaine greer's _the whole woman_ (which gives some additional insight to jb, as well).

also, her book, _manifesta: young women, feminism, and the future_, is available for pre-order at amazon.com <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/0374526222/o/qid=950843906/sr=8-1/102-7706569-8678446>.

while you're there, you may want to check out the book spawned by the nerve web site, _nerve: literate smut_ <http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/asin/0767902572/o/qid=950844113/sr=2-1/102-7706569-8678446>.

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if anybody has a boot with johnny rotten on it and is interested
in trading, email me and i'll send you my list. or if anyone
is interested in trading in general email me and i'll send
you my list.
shannon

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ok folks here it is.  send me a blank 90 min tape and a sase (padded please
or else you may get a broken tape) send em to:

nancy lambert
10012 n. arden avenue
tampa, fl  33612-8050

due to my ever growing collection of stuff (aka crap according to my mother)
i will be declining boot for boot trades at this point.  but perhaps in the
future . . .

feel free to send chocolate, granola, a little note, a picture of your dog,
whatever, or just send the tape.

well back to the books for me -- i think i totally bombed my last exam (aw
hell, thats what i get for taking it while under the influence of sinus
meds, antihistamines, and that new fandangled antibiotic that could kill a
hippo) but knowing me it will be the one that i get the best score on for
the semester - go figure . . . anywhooooooooooo

over and out,
nan

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count me among those who feel that labels are best reserved for file folders
and libraries (with no offense intended to the librarians on the list....)

it really comes down to a matter of self-image - if the shoe fits, etc -

in my experience, sexuality is much too complex to be categorized via a mere
inventory of body parts....

tim
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downloadable mp3s of me and my friends

"some days the line i walk turns out to be straight;
other days the line tends to deviate;
i've got no criteria for sex or race;
i just want to hear your voice,
i just want to see your face..." (ani difranco)

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i have a question about the university of chicago show.  which venue is it at?  also, what time will the show begin?  i just realized, i have no clue.  their website and musi-cal both just say "university of chicago."  if someone could e-mail me privately, that would rock.

thanks!

:-) karen

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well last minute plans have us heading to chicago for hob and uof c.   we
could use any info that's floating around about the details about these two
shows.  ie:  the venues, the tickets etc..etc..  we need tickets!  any help
is appreciated..private e-mail  best.
                                           thanks,  peace  mel and julie
(the seattle girls)

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this looks to be a great show so i thought i'd pass this on.  i will be
driving out there with a friend who has never seen either of them and will
soon be a huge fan of both.

as for the sexuality discussion, i guarantee you that jess and kris both have
some insightful lyrics on that  (not amy's....)......    :)

jess b
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<<<for those of you in western mass. this saturday night:

split bill:  jess klein and her new band and ms. kris delmhorst
(singer-songwriter and fiddleress/cellist extraordinaire)
february 19th 7pm, $8
iron horse music hall - 20 center st, northampton, ma
1-800-the-tick for tickets and info.
they have tables at the iron horse that we'd love if you danced on!  the more
the merrier!  we really hope to see you there.   >>>

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hey sarah, (ig friends)

check out an essay by elizabeth wurtzel called "the (fe)male gaze." i read it
in a book called surface tension, edited by meg daly, but it may have
appeared elsewhere as well.  it is not exactly on-point to your question, but
is nonetheless an interesting examination of "gaze' from the point of view of
the "looked at"!  and she uses the indigo girls as examples of women not
concerned with how men see them to make her points.  such as:

"sometime during the first indigo girl concert i'd ever attended, at the
beacon theater in 1990, my friend daphne leaned over and whispered in my ear
between songs, "you know," she said, gesturing to the two women on stage,
"they just have to be lesbians.  they could never not be.  i mean, they could
never be anything else.  do you know what i'm saying?"  i knew exactly what
she meant...i was...a total quality that emanated from that stage, a
full-bodied and even excessive expression of unshackeled emotionalism, of
unfettered need and shameless want -- this concert was a song cycle of
liberation -- that could only be the product of a world of, to paraphrase
hemingway, women without men.  there was something about the indigo girls'
music, and particularly their live performances, that just had to be the
result of divorcing one's mind and one's sexual concerns from the opinion --
perhaps even the gaze -- of men."  elizabeth wurtzel, "the (fe)male gaze"

i'm still working out how i feel about her assertions and generalizations,
but the essay is fun to read just for what she has to say about ig,
especially amy!  she describes meeting her after the show, with amy wearing
'this black leather motorcycle jacket, these tight jeans and boots, this
spiked belt and she had a very mod shag haircut, and she looked so very
pretty and fit and hale in all her butchness that my first thought was, she
should have some fabulous boyfriend...some very strong outlaw type." !!!!!!

anyway, as i said, the essay doesn't exactly answer your question about women
looking at women, but it's related and interesting.

peace, love, and all things indigo,

pam in big d

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on fri, 18 feb 2000 mnoelm@aol.com wrote:

> hey sarah, (ig friends)
>
> check out an essay by elizabeth wurtzel called "the (fe)male gaze." i read it
> in a book called surface tension, edited by meg daly, but it may have
> appeared elsewhere as well.  it is not exactly on-point to your question, but
> is nonetheless an interesting examination of "gaze' from the point of view of
> the "looked at"!  and she uses the indigo girls as examples of women not
> concerned with how men see them to make her points.  such as:

<snippage>


:title:   surface tension : love, sex, and politics between lesbians and
straight women / ]
:imprint: new york : simon & schuster, c1996.

isbn #:068480221x
oclc #: 32852981

teehee. i love working in a library. :)

kelly

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according to the map i just looked at, near yonkers.  off 684 (nearest major
highway) though 95 and 87 don't look all that far...about 2 hrs or so from
springfield ma where i live.....

> i don't think anybody's mentioned this, but the
> official site has a new date posted.
>
> april 15th, manhattanville college, purchase, ny
> (don't ask me where that is)
> >

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greetings all,

it seems that i remember a while back something about ig e-cards being
available somewhere. try as i might, however, i haven't been able to find
them. if this was in fact not just a fallacy conceived in my mind, does
anyone have the address?

thanx,
amy m.

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saliers/ray '00!
*write 'em in* !
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just noticed this:  ig are listed on the last date....

http://wallofsound.go.com/news/stories/spitfiretour021700.html

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hi!

got this off the allstar daily news today:

indigo girls, krist novoselic slated for spitfire tour
feb 17, 2000, 9:45 am pt

indigo girls, krist
novoselic
the spring edition of the third annual spitfire tour, a traveling free
speech-a-thon featuring musicians, actors, and activists, will kick off
march 9 in portland, ore.

newcomers this time around include indigo girl emily saliers, who will join
her partner-in-crime amy ray (the duo will also perform acoustically), moon
zappa, and julia "butterfly" hill (in person for the first time). spitfire
veterans rosie perez, michael franti, woody harrelson, andy dick, ex-nirvana
bassist krist novoselic, and kennedy are also on board again this year.

only the initial seven dates have been announced. more guests and the
remaining 13 dates of the 20-city tour will be announced in the near future.

here are the first seven dates of the 2000 spitfire tour:


march 9, portland, ore., reed college (moon zappa, kennedy, michael franti,
krist novoselic)
april 3, morgantown, w.va., west virginia university (rosie perez, michael
franti, jonah goldberg, kennedy)
april 4, edwardsville, ill., southern illinois university (rosie perez,
kennedy, michael franti, jonah goldberg)
april 5, bloomington, ill., illinois wesleyan university (rosie perez,
kennedy, michael franti, jonah goldberg)
april 6, dekalb, ill., northern illinois university (rosie perez, kennedy,
michael franti, jonah goldberg)
april 25, columbia, mo., university of missouri (julia butterfly, andy dick,
moon zappa)
may 12, cincinnati, university of cincinnati (indigo girls, michael franti)

-- kevin raub

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in a message dated 00-02-18 14:31:20 est, claudine@ukonline.co.uk writes:

<< newcomers this time around include indigo girl emily saliers, who will join
her partner-in-crime amy ray (the duo will also perform acoustically) >>


newcomers?

indi

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>newcomers?

this will be emily's first spitfire tour.


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does anyone have a setlist from the uconn concert last night? i went but
forgot to make one.
thanks
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hi y'all. am i the first on that discover this? i found a home video from
best buy called mtv unplugged -- classic moments, released in 1999 by song
entertainment. and ig's closer to fine is in it!! so i bought it, and saw
their performace of ctf on 1/30/90, national video center, ny. they were so
young back then, and amy's whistling skills still very much need to be
improved! :) anyway i was mad at whoever did the cover of the video-they have
totally 8 artist performed in the video, and they have everyone else but ig's
photo on the cover!! why why why??

peace
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in a message dated 2/18/00 6:14:55 pm, shedyskin@aol.com writes:

<< classic moments, released in 1999 by song

entertainment. and ig's closer to fine is in it!! >>

oops, i mean sony entertainment

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sorry this is not ig related - i've noticed some of
you are from australia. looks like the company i work
for is probably going to be transfering me to our
melbourne office in april. i was hoping for some info
on melbourne from the 'locals'. please respond to me
privately.

thanks!


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hey everyone.

ok i have to just get this out.  it's killing me.  the
indigos are here in rochesster tonight - small private
show.  i live in rochester.  i tried so hard to get a
ticket - unfortunately, nothing worked.  only 50
people...the radio station held a raffle and if your
number was picked you could buy a ticket for $50.
they had one last pair that they auctioned off
yesterday - for a whopping $1600.00!  all the money
goes to the ronald mcdonald house...good cause - but i
couldnt afford it...i had to stop bidding long before
that final amount.  *sigh*  ya know - rent, food,
bills, blah blah...anyway.

i sorta just wanted to throw this out in a place where
i'm pretty sure someone will understand...im just so
bummed out.  they are here - i am here - i cant go - i
dont even know where they are playing - it's all a big
secret.

so anyway.  thanks for reading...im gonna go out w
some friends and have a couple beers...and try not to
think about it - or at least try to get over my
pouting.

keep your fingers crossed that the weather doesnt get
any worse in rochy - supposedly a big storm is on it's
way - which would suck bc im driving to the canton
show tomorrow...

take it easy -
sunny - who's feeling a bit heavy hearted...

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elaine wrote:
<< i think you should
love whomever you feel comfortable with and loving with and respected by . .
.
etc., - regardless of sex.  screw the labels too.  you are whatever you want
to
be.
  >>
wow...i have just gotten back from a few days out of town and i am surprised
not to have gotten any flames yet :) (of course, i still have 60 e-mails to
go so they could still be in here...)

this is sorta how i feel..when i was growing up - like in high school - i was
fixated on men and obsessed with having a boyfriend. then eventually i found
myself attracted to women and sorta got over the whole "men" thing and became
fixated on women..that's when i really started thinking "ok, i'm a lesbian"
since i felt more comfortable with women and felt that i could have a
meaningful relationship with a woman, since my relationships with men always
leave a lot to be desired...then i started fooling around with a male friend
who lives out of state and remembered that i like to have sex with men even
though i want to date women....so who knows :) the last person i fell in love
was a girl...although she is getting married in april and i have promised not
to do the best friend's wedding thing...

alas :p
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thank you very much!  it was my birthday this week and while i am somewhat
new to the list, i thought through some ig magic, you'd know this!  :)  b'bye.
-lori
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shedyskin writes <<they have everyone else
but ig's photo on the cover. why why why.>>  (just a quote i'm not
trying to shout.)


well  i guess that's not a surprize  to me,   i've heard mtv's not
exactly too thrilled that the girls are gay.   i  tried requesting to
see shame on  you last year, and mtv said the video was out of
circulation and they couldn't play it.

does anyone have any insight into that?  does anyone know the video
industry well enough
to  be able to tell if mtv  is bullshitting  when they say that?   i
know amy has said  that she feels mtv  has been in the stone ages
regarding gays, and that mtv  hasn't been very good about showing ig
videos  because they are gay.   .

with  that said  i guess it's  rather surprizing that  ig  got on that
home video at all  hah?
and i do think  they should put ig on the cover too.

peace

barb

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ok, totally no igc here, but....

does the movie troop beverly hills tug at anyone else's
nostalgia-for-the-late-80's heartstrings?  i'm sure, at the time it bombed
with the critics, but it was a staple at 'sleep overs' of my preteen years.
it's on the disney channel right now.  i even remember thinking at the time
it was a 'lesbian' movie (i was 10, ok? (: ) but i'm not sure why.
anyway, randomly finding it on tonight was a serendipitous tv discovery;
awful plot, a young tori spelling, and all.  just wanted to share.

cheers,
mel
"beverly hills, what a thrill."

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barbara bordner <barbarafrommn@webtv.net> wrote:
shedyskin writes <<they have everyone else
but ig's photo on the cover. why why why.>>  (just a quote i'm not
trying to shout.)

well  i guess that's not a surprize  to me,   i've heard mtv's not
exactly too thrilled that the girls are gay.

~~~

hmmm... as not so nice as that thought is, i am very tempted to think that it
is more than homophobia that motivates the mtv people to be anti-queer.
marketing is a powerful thing, and while it's not homophobia per se that is
keeping the girls off the playlists, marketing to the target audience promotes
homophobic actions on the part of mtv.

think about who mtv is geared towards- money spending adolecent girls during
the day, and heterosexual young men at night who are slightly older. it's been
decided that the girls want to see pretty things, pop icons, and your basic
revenue-generating trash. ig, while fabulous musicians a) do not look "pretty"
like the backstreet boys or brittany speares, b) do not create music that is
on the extremely accessable level that the songwriters create for the
aformentioned performers, and c) they force too much intense thinking on
sensitive and complex subjects.

simply put: it's not entertaining enough.

the boys, on the other hand, noone figures would be interested in seeing a
couple of dykes playing sappy acoustic songs about squishy subjects. (to which
i am forced to respond "hello? compromise?!?") boys want nudity and humor and
violence and noise. a rob zombie video.

now, the problem is this: queer artists would get more airplay if they weren't
so... well, queer. ig doesn't fit into the format of mtv, or, for that matter,
almost any radio station on the planet. they very simply do not make a
mainstream sound, and many meetings have been held to determine the mainstream
sound and what it is supposed to sound like, and that is simply not going to
change. if ig wanted all the airplay and the video's and whatnot, they would
have to sound like the rest of the drivel that gets broadcast every day.

but we don't want that. we are just going to have to deal with little radio
play and stick with the dynamic and creative music they create because thats
why we love them.

oh boy... went to a party last night, stopped home for 15 mins to pick up my
work for work, and went to work. whatever i just wrote, attribute it to that.

love and light,
meredith

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hello-
does anyone know which songs michelle played at the uconn show on thursday?
i would love to know!
thanks in advance.
:)
terri

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i am heading out shortly to slu in canton and was curious as to what they
have been playing the past few days.
thanks in advance
c

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date:         sat, 19 feb 2000 15:53:29 est
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> does anyone know which songs michelle played at the uconn show on thursday?
>  i would love to know!

michelle's setlist:
avalon
my green thumb
strength for two (w/emily--gorgeous)
havasu falls
grace
brand new dream (dedicated to her past employers)
the edge
hollow day

...it was a great show, btw, although i wish michelle's set had been longer
and that she had played more of her "oldies".
still reeling from that pic of amy in the nerve article,
- pony

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okay i think i've been on the list for about six months now and this is my
first post. okay that's not the part i need help on (i don't think). anyways
okay so i really really really want tickets to the ig concert in ny at the
college no one has ever heard of. but this is where i need help, i live in
texas and well i don't know how in the hell, i mean heck (we can't curse
right?), i'm gonna even try to get tickets, so if anyone is going and
getting tickets or knows how i can get some bad ass tickets please please
let me know how i can purcase tickets. i'm getting them for my really good
friend's (it's her b-day) and we've been to 7 shows together and have never
gone with anyone else so this is really important to me. im willing to pay
$100 a ticket if they are really good like maybe front row, but if not i'll
pay $50. that sounded kinda greedy but if anyone knows how i can get really
good tickets just let me know. thank you soo much
maritsa
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nothing wrong imho for a lesbian to have bisexual tendencies....have you seen go fish? i think the characters in that movie totally overreacted when that other girl (daria? was that her name?) had sex with that guy. i can't say that it didn't make her any less lesbian, but i don't think it was wrong or anything....
anywhooo.....my .02 (which is all i can afford after that overpriced damn spaghetti dinner i had at watershed!) but mmmmmmmmmmm it was deeeeelicious.
-earthgrrl

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    i've got to say as a lesbian, i do have feelings for amy. after i read
that nerve article i am totally upset & disgusted. amy was like a leader, a
positive lesbian to look up to. i seriously think that "jenny" is influencing
her in a real bad way. sorry if no one may agree with me but i think she
seriously wrote that article to irritate and offend. i mean it's like shes
saying.."oh look what i got, amy ray wants to sleep with me!!"  doesnt anyone
have any feelings for us fans?  i know the definition of what a lesbian is
and i've got to say i dont sit around thinking about guys at all. thats not
what a lesbian is!   oh, well...i'm just really hurt by this piece of
rubbish. and no i dont feel lucky to have this little insight into her life,
cause i really dont believe it.
                                        dani in nyc

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so i was watching this show "popular"  the other day with some friends and
some fashion designer character guy was critiquing someone's clothes and he
said "where did she get her fashion advice? the indigo girls?" i was like
please!! ;) anywayz .. its a really stupid show.... like really stupid
ryan

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in a message dated 2/19/00 10:03:33 pm pacific standard time,
rtsimantel@aol.com writes:

> some fashion designer character guy was critiquing someone's clothes and he
>  said "where did she get her fashion advice? the indigo girls?"
i consider that a compliment.  anyone who cares more about fashion than music
and meaning in life....well, i won't say what i think of them.

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i am just waiting for the tea to steep so i thought i would write the
setlist of a few hours ago...
michelle hmmm don't know all her songs so i struggle

avalon
green thumb
strength for two (w/emily--gorgeous)
havasu falls
grace
her most requested about food....she really hammed it up
couple others sorry folks

she is pretty funny

ig

mystery
(i personally was blown away cause i really wanted to hear it as well as
wood song...and to open with it...thank you thank you thank you)
chickenman
peace tonight w/mm
least complicated
go w/mm
andy
jonas and ezikial
ctf
romeo and juliet...sultry
wood song (yup you guessed it i was happier than a pig in ...)
shame on you w/mm
power of 2
oziline w/mm
galileo

wild horses w/mm   just amazing
out of laramy new amy tune w/emily on slide
get out the map

the place was half full or half empty however you are inclined to look at
it....no seats which makes for tired legs and no toilets unless you count
portapotties in very crisp temps toilets.

crowd was great mostly mature women..lots of space and i was at the front!
pick safe and sound

sleep well my ig friends

snoozin in kingston on

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hey all...

i was reading girlfriends magaine interview with amy and emily and in
response to something they said, i think it's about time we give something
back. this is what i propose:

write to rolling stone--email, letters, phone calls, anything until amy and
emily are on the cover of rolling stone magazine.

raise your hands, raise your hands high, don't take a seat, don't stand
aside this time...

-lyndsay
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contact info for rolling stone magazine--let's put the girls on the cover!!
write them, call them, email them!


email: letters@rollingstone.com

snail mail: 1290 avenue of the americas, new york, ny 10104-0298

phone:  212-484-1616
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>from: nokomis07@aol.com <nokomis07@aol.com>
>

>i seriously think that "jenny" is influencing
>her in a real bad way.

i know we're getting into that grey area again of discussing their personal
lives, but this topic comes straight from the interview so it's close.

>i think she
>seriously wrote that article to irritate and offend. i mean it's like shes
>saying.."oh look what i got, amy ray wants to sleep with me!!"

the article seemed to have an odd tone, but i'm not familiar with the magazine
and i gather that it's purpose is to celebrate sex, so maybe that's in keeping
with the theme.

>doesnt anyone have any feelings for us fans?

they're certainly under no obligation to live their private lives subject to fan
approval.

>i know the definition of what a lesbian is
>and i've got to say i dont sit around thinking about guys at all. thats not
>what a lesbian is!

i assume that you reject the strict confinement of men and women into
heterosexual boxes, yet you seem to need to confine "lesbian" into just as
strict a box.

what is the "bad influence" that you feel jennifer is having on amy?  that she's
"causing" her to have thoughts about men?  that's not how i read what amy said
in the interview.

>from nerve article) --
>
>ar: well, i'm working on a solo project. it'll be done in a year. there are a
lot of
>gender themes and gay or boys don't cry themes.
>
>jb: why are you visiting the boy part in you?
>
>ar: i think i have always felt out of place to a certain degree in my body.
although
>i like being a woman and i want to have a woman's body, at the same time i feel
>disconnected from it sometimes. i feel like a boy sometimes. i think it came up
>more when i started going out with someone who is more
heterosexually-identified
>than other people i have been with and more sort of feminine in some ways, and
>she responded to a masculine side of me. she - i mean you - what do i say,
"you"
>or "she"?
>
>jb: you mean me, right? just say "you."
>
>ar: yeah, you identified a side of me that was masculine and articulated it.
you
>forced me to kind of confront it and decide whether i liked that or not.
>
>jb: so when you say in your song "measure of me" that you can get the girls,
but the
>guys just laugh-
>
>ar: i'm not saying that i can get any girl, but a few years ago i was having a
lot
>of women approach me and ask me out because they knew i was single. at the same
>time, there was this one guy - who will remain unnamed - that i really wanted
to
>go out with badly. i had a serious crush on this guy and i thought we'd be just
>perfect together. we went out once together, to a rock show, but it was just
>awkward. people kept coming up to talk to one or the other of us and it was as
>if we weren't there together.
>
>-- (end excerpt)

i read this as amy's saying that jennifer came across as more "feminine" than
other women amy's been in relationships with and that brought out a more
"masculine" side in amy, not that it caused her to "start" liking guys and
become less of a "lesbian".

amy seems to be talking about two different things here.  i didn't see the
movie, but how does "the measure of me" match up with the plot of "boys don't
cry"?  i take the song to be about amy's liking a guy but not to the point of
being able to have sex with men.  [i'm not clear whether the line "even though
it shouldn't be" is amy saying that she's not supposed to be liking a guy
because she's a "lesbian" or whether she's saying that she shouldn't be judged
as "not worth a damn" by boys because she can't bring herself to sleep with
them.]  my understanding of the movie was that it's about a girl who identifies
as a guy (and wants to date women).

am i misreading this?

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dear all,

i'm normally fairly quiet on this list.  but i just had to speak up on this
one! even if i am a little late.

i came out as bisexual almost a year ago, although not to my parents
yet.  something i'm not looking forward to.  anyway, i came out as bisexual
because that's how i feel.  as almost everyone has said, it's very much
about how you feel, and not who you have had sex with.

sleeping with both sexes doesn't make you bisexual.  just as sleeping with
just women or just men doesn't make you gay.  my first serious crush was on
a woman.  but i've only ever had relationships with men.  i know plenty of
gay people who have been involved with members of the opposite sex at one
time or another.

the other thing is, it's not just a matter of what label you give to
yourself, if you choose to.  but each label contains a whole spectrum of
feelings.  some lesbians find themselves attracted to men but only have
relationships with women.  some bisexuals may only be attracted to one sex
occasionally and attracted to the other most of the time.

the most important thing, i think, is to let people tell you who/what they
are.  there are so many variations of sexuality, labels just aren't up to
the task of covering everything.

i hope this helps lisa.  you asked some good questions.
cheers,
amanda.
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difranco's recording company offers to buy landmark church

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jude :)

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rock hall invites fans to see inductions on tv

by glenn gamboa knight ridder, 2/15/2000


cleveland - the rock and roll hall of fame and museum will open its doors on
induction night this year, allowing fans to watch the new york ceremonies on
tv on march 6.


the museum has allowed such a closed-circuit broadcast only once before, for
the first induction after the hall opened in cleveland in 1995. since then,
those people unable or unwilling to shell out for the $1,500 tickets to the
benefit at the waldorf-astoria hotel have waited with the rest of the world
to watch an edited broadcast on vh1.

jude :)

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jerry garcia action figure in the works
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(2/16/00, 7 a.m. et) - toy fair is the place to be in new york as cartoon,
baseball, and rock action figure mogul todd mcfarlane debuted his current
line of rocker toys. he also announced that he's secured the rights to make
an action figure of the late grateful dead frontman jerry garcia.
"we just got a photo of [garcia] at the toy fair," says mcfarlane of his
latest action-figure tribute. "we've just got to finalize a couple of
sticking points on the contract and then we're off to sculpting."


<<<but, sir!  why is that tight rubber band around his arm, oh my!>>


sorry, jan, i'll quit now.

jude :)

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it never even made mtv's rotation...

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oh where to begin - i testified on wed for some anti - assisted suicide
legislation and was utterly exhausted (and if that wasn't enough, tuesday
wasn't that great either...but i digress)

got to the bus station at 8 am thursday - drove to boston where i met cathy,
fran, flora and her friend jake, then it was off to uconn. luckily i had
front seat, cause my body was not in the best shape.

got to the q&a - we all were in the 2nd row - dead center! that was awesome.
some girl was shooting (i brought my camera, she had a light meter so it was
fate that i'd snap a few (ok a roll and a half) pictures and enjoy the day,
i met susan brill, and a bunch of baigls - i also taped the q&a (amy: we see
you taping, were all for that!)

i did ask a few questions:

me to emily: there is a solo album you did in 1983 or 84  , do you mind if
people trade it?

emily: oh god , please don't (i'm paraphrasing here)

to amy: what do you think of online digital distribution such as mp3?

amy: we are all for people trading our stuff, i see you are taping, we don't
want to see people making lots of $$ off them and they have shut down places
that had. they do not have a problem with mp3 trading either.

(and, yes i restrained myself from asking to sit in on the soundcheck)
(oh, they were both late, causing more than a few "i wonder what they are
doing" comments...)

i met a couple friends in brief passing from my alma mater, which was cool
and we headed off to a sports bar called huskies, where we met up with the
baigls , had a great meal (i'm talking huge) for four bucks. had a good
time - we went off to the show.

we pull up to the venue - (i have a handiocap parking placard,) i get out
and i cannot walk - there is a *intense* spasm in my foot, i never have had
this happened, so i eventually used a wheelchair to get around the actual
concert (and some listee that susan brill knew - thanks for the advil, it
was a life saver)

michelle played, emily joined her on a song - break came and i was almost
passed out i was so tired - so i got a coffee (and i like never drink much
caffine anymore) it worked - of course my foot was a bit better - but i sat
in the chair for the ig set.

great set - i got the setlist somewhere - i will scan it - highlights had to
be wood song, andy, ozilene, southland, and ghost... they were so on -
totally on.

(and yes i can confirm it was taped - i didn't tape it, but i do have a
copy)

we left to go to providence to drop flora and jake off- then stumbled into
winthrop around two am - luckily i took friday off.

a great show - will let the list know when i get my pictures scanned in...


mike r.

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hey,

i heard something that the indigo girls are supposed to be on the food network today (sunday) at 9pm est.  i think this was posted to the list earlier, but i haven't seen anything recently, and i just wanted to remind y'all to set your vcr's!

:-) karen (one week till u of c show!!!)

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> i heard something that the indigo girls are supposed to be on the food
> network today (sunday) at 9pm est.  i think this was posted to the
> list earlier, but i haven't seen anything recently, and i just wanted
> to remind y'all to set your vcr's!

        can somebody who's not on the east coast (or isn't an x-files fan)
watch this and give a report to the list?
        thanks -
        mandy
        who is way excited about the x-files/cops crossover tonight

                i arise each morning
                   torn between
                a desire to improve
                   (or save) the world
                and a desire to enjoy
                   (or savor) the world -
                this makes it hard
                   to plan the day.

                         *e. b. white*

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on sun, 20 feb 2000, ron mcbay wrote:

> them.]  my understanding of the movie was that it's about a girl who identifies
> as a guy (and wants to date women).

i dont want to bring up the gender wars again, but jsut wanted to clarify
this.  brandon lived his life as a man, despite hs female body, because
that's who he was.  a man.  dating women was not the motivation. though
as a man, he would probably be best identified as heterosexual.  gender
and sexuality are two very differnt things. i dont even like calling
brandon heterosexual becuase i dont know if that's how he regarded
himself, but yes, he did date women.  but it was more important to him
to live as a man.

there are lots of lesbians who explore their "inner boys" or masculinity
in ways that stretch gender.  some of us are even on this list :)

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oh wow, dani, i really hope you are joking with this . . .

>>>i've got to say as a lesbian, i do have feelings for amy. after i read
that nerve article i am totally upset & disgusted.

why, because someone who you probably don't even know broke out of a
stereotypical shell in one interview???


>>amy was like a leader, a positive lesbian to look up to.

is she not now??  how has she changed at all?  the only thing that has
changed is that you now know that amy ray has had (and most likely will have
again) crushes on men, including one johnny depp.  the fact that she is a
strong woman and a great person to look up to hasn't changed at all . . .in
fact i find her even more admirable now because she was honest with herself,
her fans, and hell, her girlfriend.  it isn't all that easy to be in a
lesbian relationship and be so open about the fact that you still dig men
(or that you dig men at all for that matter).


>>>i seriously think that "jenny" is influencing her in a real bad way.
>>>sorry if no one may agree with me but i think she seriously wrote that
>>>article to irritate and offend. i mean it's like shes
saying.."oh look what i got, amy ray wants to sleep with me!!"  doesnt
anyone have any feelings for us fans?

okay, i don't see where this attack on jennifer baumgardner is coming from.
"does anyone have feelings for us fans"?!?!?!?!?!  what are you saying?
that amy ray has cheated on you because she a) has a girlfriend and b)her
girlfriend wrote an article for a sex-centered ezine?  imo, amy and emily
both have bent over backwards for all of us as fans and the fact that amy is
now publicly stating things that are very private is, quite honestly, a sign
of her willingness to let her fans in on that part of her life.  being how
public of a figure amy is now, i find it hard to believe that amy doesn't
think that whatever she says won't find it's way to her fans, whether it's
something that they want to hear or not.  i can't say this on behalf of amy
because i don't know her, but i'm sure she thought a lot about whether or
not to make these feelings public.  i don't think ms. baumgardner was trying
to offend at all . . .in fact nothing in that article was personally
offensive to me.  i think she and amy were having fun with an assignment
that jennifer got.  that's it.  from what i've seen (and believe me, i
haven't seen much of amy ray, except for two concerts and some interviews in
the past year . . .not really enough to base a relationship analysis here)
amy seems happy, comfortable, and extremely confident.  and if this is part
jennifer's doing then hell, she's doing something right.

>>>i know the definition of what a lesbian is and i've got to say i dont sit
>>>around thinking about guys at all. thats not what a lesbian is!

that's not what a lesbian is to you.  i'm a lesbian as well, but i get
crushes on men.  in fact right now i have more crushes on men than i do on
women.  does this make me straight?  what if i told you that i'm also in a
committed relationship with a woman and all of my past relationships have
been with women?


>>oh, well...i'm just really hurt by this piece of rubbish. and no i dont
>>feel lucky to have this little insight into her life, cause i really dont
>>believe it.

why are you personally hurt?  because of statements that amy ray said in an
public interview?  and why do you not believe what she said?  had she
revealed a secret s&m sex life with jennifer instead of the fact that she
has crushes on men would that have been better? would that have made you
like jennifer?

i'm sorry, i don't usually post on the list, but this struck a nerve
because i found this interview very positive.  in fact, for the past couple
of months more and more of my lesbian friends have come to me to
confidentially tell me that they are attracted to men as well.  in fact, a
past lover came to me and hung her head in shame as she said that she thinks
she likes guys as well.  because she is such a "dyke" (her term to define
herself) she is seriously troubled by the fact that she has an attraction to
men.  if she finds a guy and starts a relationship with him she will most
likely be shut out of some of the lesbian community because for the most
part, the lesbian community just isn't that accepting of a woman that is
secure in her sexual attraction to men.  who are we, as queer women who have
been ostracized by many many people, to ostracize our own?  if we're
fighting for the right to love who we love shouldn't we take heed of that
within the community and let those who are in it love who they love???

anyway, i'm stepping off of my soapbox now . . .thank you if you read this
far.  and feel free to flame on. . .

~tay
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it's also being rebroadcast tonight at midnight,
thursday at 4 pm and next sunday at 11 am.  even
without a vcr one can watch it over and over again.
:)carrie
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nice job tay..no flames from me.

it struck me as the personal affects that amy's
interview had on some of her fans. she's a public
figure who shares her talent with us. that's it.
perhaps those who invest too much of their emotions
into any public figure, unknown to them on a personal
level, should seek out the reason why.

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i agree with ron...amy and emily are normal folks with an amazing talent that they share with us. i mean, yes, we squeal and giggle and get excited whenever they're around (i sure do!) but they're in no way obligated to live their lives according to our standards. i think this article was showing us a different if almost intimate side of amy that we haven't seen before and some folks aren't used to it. we're used to politically-passionate-amy and not quite so much sexual-amy. but goodness sakes, they're not our puppets ya know?
respectfully,
me....

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<<wild horses w/mm   just amazing
out of laramy new amy tune w/emily on slide>>


ooh a new amy tune!! anyone boot it??

lisa (in california where the girls are not) :(

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in a message dated 2/20/00 11:47:38 am pacific standard time,
lisa071573@aol.com writes:

> lisa (in california where the girls are not) :(
i'm in california too...they going to come out here at all this year?

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<<  soy on mtv

it never even made mtv's rotation... >>

i remember seeing it on vh1..but i can't remember seeing it on mtv...

also, as a side note...melissa and julie are on the cover of the advocate -
looking absolutely stunning in white dresses for the same-sex marriage
issue... also, i don't know if it was mentioned before, but in the last issue
of the advocate there was a brief mention of the girls in the reviews section
where they reviewed michelle malone (not a very nice review) and mrs. fun.

:p lisa

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it's funny how if a person that has a different opinion always gets bashed on
this list.
well, i've got to say to everyone who flamed my opinion and seems to think i
have some personal problem or want something from amy. i have neither a
problem or want anything. there is a silent majority on this list that have
been emailing privately agreeing with me!
    i'm very happy to see that i am not the only one who feels like i do.  i
just want to thank you all for all the beautiful words :)      i myself am
not into bashing people or need my words disected by folks who have nothing
else to do. i am no stereo typical lesbian, far from that my friends.  just
wanted a little support :)

                                dani in nyc

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re:
http://www.nerve.com/bedroominterview/02-15-00/
("the bedroom interview with amy ray")

a. jennifer is a terrific writer.  i've been a fan of hers for sometime.
(am i the only dork who is a fan of journalists?  like, i worship christina
kelly, and tali and ophira edut, etc.)

b.  amy is *so* right about the straight-girl-kissing-techniques.  oy.

c. let me say
what i always say
which is
hurray
for sexual fluidity.
(did research on it a couple years back-- if you want to read it, email me
and i can send the resulting paper as an attachment.)

take care, loves.  hope you're not too sad now that jennifer b.'s dashed
your hopes of marrying ms. ray.

jill

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does anyone else here remember/like her?  "my girlhood among the outlaws"
just came on and i just had to dig out my old cds...

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test.  (trying to beat the spammers with filters...)

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i don't know who wrote this, but i have to debate it:

>>when someone is talking to me about a fluid sexuality, i always ask "ok,
>>but where is your emotional center. that is, emotionally, which sex do you
>>find yourself fixated on?"
>>

no!
no!
no!

a. if you self-identify as a lesbian,
don't tell me about my sexual fluidity.
it's not the same as your lesbianism.

b. you are thinking of sexuality in dichotomous terms.
that is, you're thinking of it as an either/or, black/white, gay/straight.
two opposite polar ends.  a dichotomy.
and, i'm sorry, but that simply doesn't exist.
that dichotomy was *invented* by sexologists (yes, there were such things)
in-- what was it?-- the 1820's?  before then, "homosexuality" as a
construct, an idea, or a word didn't exist.  you slept with whomever.  and
who you slept with did not have any bearing on who you were as a person.
here's an example:

today, if you are a man and sleep with a man, you're given a "gay" identity.
  but the ancient greeks slept with people according to their political
status.  "acceptable" sex partners for either gender could be  women and
people of color, men of lower social status, and men and boys younger than
they are-- basically, anyone with less societal and political power than
them.  they slept with men and women, or just men, or just women, but they
didn't call themselves "gay" or "straight" or "bi."
it was a *nonissue.*
no one was asking the question, "yes, but which gender are you emotionally
fixated on?"
(for more on this, read the article "is there a history of homosexuality?"
by david halperin.)

anyhow, in the 1800's, discourses (ideas and the talking about) sex moved
into the realm of science.  it was simultaneously repressed in public-- you
didn't talk about such things with others-- yet intricately studied and
written about in psychology, biology, anthropology, etc.  this is when the
notion of that dichotomy of heterosexual/homosexual was invented.
(for more on this, read michel foucault's
_history of sexuality: volume 1_, it is sooooo mindblowing.)

and, really unfortunately, that dichotomy still stands today--
in fact, you're insisting on its existence by saying, "okay, okay, sexual
fluidity, blah blah blah.  but you've *gotta* like one gender more than the
other.  so which is it, men or women?"

which makes me cranky.
because that's not how it works.
you're not attracted to a penis, you're attracted to a person.

i know lesbians who sleep with men, bisexual women who only sleep with
women, gays who are celibate, omnisexuals and pansexuals and heteroflexibles
and queers.  i am currently emotionally 'fixated' (what a word) on a
gender-bending woman who gets called "sir" wherever she goes, and a
sensitive new agey buddhist poet guy.
in equal amounts.  so don't ask me "which is it?"  it's neither and both,
it's all and none, it's freakin' polymorphous perverse, baby.

and if that blows your binary away, so be it.
if it causes your "movement" to crumble, sorry.
if it blurs your boundaries and sends your labels into flux and gives you
great big palpitations because you can't fit sexuality into such neat little
semantic boxes anymore, too bad.
it's called sexual fluidity, and it exists.
in every single one of us.

here, go here and figure it out for yourself.
http://www.biresource.org/klein_graph.html

*j

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i think defining ones own personal sexual identity is just that:
personal. we are all seperate + unique individuals, constantly growing +
changing, and how we come to perceive our "self" is a life long journey
of discovery. there should be no discussion about *exactly* how to label
ourselves (gay, lesbian, bi etc...) just an open willingness to accept
another's belief of who they are, as we would hope they accept us.
i think amy was very brave to open herself to public (sadly) speculation
and criticism by being completely honest in reference to some pretty
personal feelings in this area. she was voicing only a fragment of
something we all go through; real + honest self examination, in attempt
to understand who she is. no-one else has the right to do that for her.
no-one else has the right to do it for us.
we might feel a twinge of "oh no... everyone out there in this
homophobic world knows she's a lesbian, but here she is, saying she's
attracted to guys... how will that make us look to them???" but
really.... she spoke to so many more people who might be seriously
questioning who *they* are. hey; if a "lesbian icon" can have an
attraction to men, then perhaps their own confusion in their journey
through life is not so solitary... it's okay to question + not have
answers immediatly available... the key is; don't label yourself + then
try to fit your whole belief system into the cramped little box you've
created for yourself.
peace all... kim

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>a. jennifer is a terrific writer.  i've been a fan of hers for sometime.
>(am i the only dork who is a fan of journalists?  like, i worship christina
>kelly, and tali and ophira edut, etc.)


nope - met william grieder, john hockenberry and a bunch of npr people over
the years...doesn't make you a dork...but, you may be one for other reasons,
cuz i think i am...

peace-
mike r.

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    yes, everyone on the list has different opinions and walks of life. it
should be a plus. unfortuanately, though there seems to be this under tone
that if someone doesnt agree with you they think they have the right to nit
pick apart every word you say and attack you. i'm not saying everyone who
disagrees is doing this. but it's this non the less that stops folks from
posting and having conversations.

    i myself call myself a lesbian because...i and others like me would like
to have our lives realized by society and that there is a need by us
(lesbians & others) to be able to have rights to our lives just like everyone
else. cause you know we do not...but we are working towards it!  it's not
hard to understand ,but i dont live in a box and i am sure neither do any of
the other homosexuals on the list.

light & love
        dani in nyc

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i can only wish that a forum such as this existed during my formative years
when i was trying to deal with these issues alone in a vacuum, surrounded by
a hostile, judgmental world....perhaps i could have avoided a few
mistakes....but i really have few regrets....life at this juncture is so
fulfilling and the friendships i've made are so rewarding that it would be
sacrilege to question the path that brought me here....

i hope that this discourse will help to promote enlightenment and
understanding among people of various sexual/gender identities....

peace, love & harmony,
tim

"some days the line i walk turns out to be straight;
other days the line tends to deviate;
i've got no criteria for sex or race;
i just want to hear your voice,
i just want to see your face..." (ani difranco)

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silly jilly:
<< b.  amy is *so* right about the straight-girl-kissing-techniques.  oy. >>

hmmm. ok someone's going to have to explain this one to me :) or um,
demonstrate...i've been kissing boys way too long...

;) lisa (obviously very lonely...)

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>silly jilly:
><< b.  amy is *so* right about the straight-girl-kissing-techniques.  oy.
> >>
>
>hmmm. ok someone's going to have to explain this one to me :) or um,
>demonstrate...i've been kissing boys way too long...
>
>;) lisa (obviously very lonely...)
  yea, how do straight girls kiss?   i too would like to know.

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    "yes, everyone on the list has different opinions and walks of life. it
should be a plus. unfortunately, though there seems to be this under tone
that if someone doesn't agree with you they think they have the right to nit
pick apart every word you say and attack you. i'm not saying everyone who
disagrees is doing this. but it's this non the less that stops folks from
posting and having conversations"


i hope that last part isn't true!  there are no guarantee's that when you
give your opinion someone or everyone is going or not going to nit pick at
you.  some people do, some don't.  you just have to have the strength that
whatever you say, you truly believe it in your heart, so who cares what
everyone else thinks about what you think?  some people who argue or
"nitpick" as you called it, with your opinion are people who want to change
your thinking into theirs, but there are some, like myself, who just like to
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share their opinions with others on list.  we learn from each other and we
give each other something else to think about maybe in another way.

one time i was dead against one of my friends opinions on something, i even
forgot what it was, and we talked about it, and i said, "hey, you have a
point!"

even though i differed in my opinion on the topic, i respect you, dani, for
telling your opinion openly and honestly.  i hope you continue to do so.

annamarie

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>silly jilly:
> ><< b.  amy is *so* right about the straight-girl-kissing-techniques.  oy.
> > >>
> >
> >hmmm. ok someone's going to have to explain this one to me :) or um,
> >demonstrate...i've been kissing boys way too long...
> >
> >;) lisa (obviously very lonely...)
>   yea, how do straight girls kiss?   i too would like to know.
>
well, duh! with their elbows, of course!:-)
erm... seriously though, i think amy's comments on this were a lil' odd.
maybe it was an inside joke:-) in my opinion, it doesn't matter what a
person is (in their own mind, of course... lest i be labeling...lol)
there are just good kissers and not so good kissers. it's all about
sensuality + really enjoying another person's lips/mouth + the intimacy
of such a shared experience. some people are more tactile + into
sensation + foreplay... and for them, deep sensual kissing can go on for
hours (well... she says breathlessly... it *seems* like hours). others
(most always lousy kissers) just want to break for the big points... ya
know? me... i've kissed both types + prefer (naturally) to kiss someone
who considers the passtime damned near good as sex:-). in my case, these
were always womyn, and *some* of them considered themselves str8... so
go figure:-)
course, this doesn't really answer the question, does it??? lol
peace all... kim

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hey folks,

this was sent to the news-only list but since it's not news
i'm forwarding it here instead... please direct any replies
to teresa at tcandori@paonline.com, not to me, thanks.

-sherlyn

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>date: fri, 18 feb 2000 18:30:26 -0500
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>anyone have extra tickets for the franklin & marshall show on
>thursday?
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ok, i think this was asked before, but maybe i missed the reply, or i am just
having a memory failure...
okay, so the list faq says it is not necessary to subscribe to the news only
version of the list, because all posts come to the full version of the
list... so why is it that we always get  "fowarded"  messages from the news
only list... shouldn't i get these anyway??

rachel (who wonders what 'news' she is missing)

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well i must say i have kissed my share of people, and the best kisser was a straight girl.  go figure.

carla  :o)

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i just have to say, well said tay! i couldn't say it better if i tried!
~alyssa

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hey all you good kissers -

sign me up as a straight girl who wants to know how to kiss really
good.  i thought i did, but now who in the heck knows????  speak up
everybody or feel free to send private instructional email.

not kidding in the least,

bonnie

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hi folks,

just a reminder about the purpose of this listserv: "the discussion of
the music of the indigo girls and related artists".

keeping this in mind, it's time to take the nerve article discussion and
it's spin offs to private email.

thank you.

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hey this is a plug for a great local artist from pa...you can check out her
mp3's at this website:
       http://www.mp3.com/christinehavrilla
she is fantatic...i hope you all will check it out...she has opened for
susan werner before, so if you like susan check her out...
peace and love,
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i know aot of you have already seen this one, but just this weekend it
finally opened in oklahoma do to the oscar nominations, so me and 'ma buddy's
went to the midninght showing and let me just say i don't think ive seen a
better movie in years!!! i cried and laughed and then cried some more and i
ain't one to cry at movies!!! alot of things hit home because we have towns
that look just like the towns they lived in (in nebraska) in that movie so it
was like peering into the lives of locals ya know, but anyways i just thougt
i'd share that with everyone.....take care y'all!


mandy :)

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the thing about the fashion comment was weird but hey i love that show :p
sue me - plus the character that said it (nicole, if anyone cares) says
bad shit about everybody - it's just the cahracter and not a rip on ig
persay - she would have said it about anyone *heh* anyways...i'm just
rambling - it was a long weekend with crappy estate stuff...but i did get
to shop...ooooh and i bought a bunch of the issue with the girls on the
front *drools* my friends were happy :) :p

bye!
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i have a longstanding admiration for pauline kael's film reviews...as for
the main topic of discussion, i have to thank jill and everybody who spoke
up for sexual fluidity, most particularly david bowie :) i personally wish
we could do away with the specific labels - or at least some of them. that's
why i'm with the people who have reclaimed "queer". if it worked properly,
all of us "sexual deviants" could just jump under the umbrella and not have
to worry about supplying our exact positions on the kinsey scale.
unfortunately, under current usage, if one says queer, the immediate thought
is gay or lesbian, way before bi, trans, or any other variation. then people
feel betrayed when their icons turn out to be other than what they were
thought to be.
i have refrained from jumping into the fray mostly because i burnt out on
this topic about a week before the nerve interview, arguing with my
girlfriend and several other people about the up and down sides to being out
as a musician. i personally don't know any other way to live my life, and
don't want to do anything where i would have to hide any aspect of who i
am - even if it detracts from album sales, or whatever. however, i can see
the benefit of the "why should total strangers get to know who you sleep
with, when its supposed to be about the music?" argument, as people get
embroiled in the arguments about amy's sexuality. maybe that's part of why
the indigo girls waited so long to come out - because anything you say can
and will be used against you in a jury of your fans. personally, i never
know what to say in interviews. i would love to give a one word answer, but
anything i could say in one word would be a lie, and most of what i could
say in more would be too detailed for my taste.
this is going to come off as more of a generalization than i would like, but
i think that the generations that really got the gay-rights movement off to
a wonderful start are not the generations that are going to be able to
embrace a less-defined sexuality. they fought too hard to be recognized as
different. amy's generation had a hard enough time coming out of the
closet - let alone coming out as bi and risking alienating the lesbian
community. you saw it in the 70s when certain feminists kicked the lesbians
out of their organizations. we see it in the glbt "community" every day. a
gay man being shunned by other gay men because one day he fell in love with
a woman. a woman totally bereft of community because she is dating a
trans-man.  and it happens in legislative sessions all over the country,
when gay-rights bills are killed or re-worded without protection for
transgendered people, in order to get the bills passed.  the labels are dear
to many, but in the end maybe they just serve to divide: i think the future
is in inclusivity.  the future is in making sure that rights for glbt people
are viewed as human rights.
so, here's to queer, whatever it may be
sarah

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>and if that blows your binary away, so be it.
>if it causes your "movement" to crumble, sorry.
>if it blurs your boundaries and sends your labels into flux and gives you
>great big palpitations because you can't fit sexuality into such neat
>little
>semantic boxes anymore, too bad.
>it's called sexual fluidity, and it exists.
>in every single one of us.
>

hey.. i've never posted to this list before, even though i've been on it for
months now, but i have to say that i totally agree.  it's always the
person.. never the "gender" that we really fall in love with.  i mean, if i
were to ever be "fixated" on male (instead of a female) it wouldn't bother
me one bit... in fact, it might prove what i've thought all along.. that we
all have this sexual fluidity.

~jenn~

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hi all....
    i know that this has been posted before but i was wondering if someone out there could help me get in touch with russell carter management.  please email me privately  -- i would be more than appreciative.

kate

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ok i watched it and taped it for my brother-in-law the chef.  i told him if
he goes on the road i am going with him.  if you are looking for ig on this
well they're actually interviewed regarding rock it and wrap it up (i think
sorry brain fuzzy doing taxes) a grassroots food organization that picks up
the leftover catering food an delivers it to local soup kitchens.  total
running time of interview:  5 maybe 10 seconds.  that's it.  it is a really
interesting show, but then again i am really into cooking.

nan

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on jennifer:  nope.  you ain't the only one.  she has written some damn fine
stuff.
and on that whole girl kissing thing -- yep she's right.

i just have to add to all this commotion that i actually like this mag
(nerve), i liked the article, and i'm glad amy (and anyone else for that
matter) has the ability to go beyond the standard stereotypical pigeonholing
categorizing human nature.  i myself may be considered by some to be
"lesbian" but the fact of the matter is i am personally attracted to
intelligent people (male or female) and whether or not i have a relationship
with someone of the same or opposite sex depends solely on chemistry.  i
don't see her (amy) as having "fallen from grace" or now been demoted as a
"lesbian" role model.  she is a human role model.  and emily is a human role
model, and so is anyone else who shares, gives back to communities, and
honestly gives a damn about what people think and feel.

nan
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<<  yea, how do straight girls kiss?   i too would like to know.

sara the sunflower >>

um sara... where do you live?? we could see if we could figure it out between
the two of us ;)

mandy - didn't you love the cops ep?? lol. scully rocks.

so i taped the food network thing while i was watching the x-files..that was
an awfully small clip on the girls :( i wanted to hear about what they were
eating on the road...i was at least hoping for more than 30 seconds :(

lisa :p

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hi everyone :)

my whole family's asleep so i have no one to share this with.. but i finally
was able to download the trailer to the indy film i did last year.. "chasing
indigo" .. :)

not sure if anyone else has seen it way before me.. but just in case you
didn't.. it's at www.chasingindigo.com .. go to trailer.. and then i clicked
on the second download as the first one didn't work.. anyway, it's cool :)
.. and all to the song "fugitive"!

i'm not in it all that much.. but if you have a look, i'm "stacy".. first i
have a blue top on.. and then a red sorta low cut top :)

well, it's pretty cool for me as i haven't seen *any* of the film put
together till now.. they're hoping it'll be ready to enter into sundance
this year :)

keep smiling,

melanie :)

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does anyone have a boot of the canton show?????  i was  there and after
hearing that show will be buying my own equipment!!!!!!  but for now, e-mail
me privately and we can work out a trade.

oh, and not mentioned, amy had on her cowboy hat and emily announced before
the laramy song, which amy so politely asked if we minded if she tried
something new, that she had never played this song before, they basically
arranged it on stage!!!!!! awesome.

thank you
michelle in nh

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on mon, 21 feb 2000, michelle hart-miller wrote:

> oh, and not mentioned, amy had on her cowboy hat and emily announced before

amy in a cowboy hat...<dreamy sigh>

kelly,
wishing she could have made the trek north for that show.

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on mon, 21 feb 2000, michelle hart-miller wrote:

> oh, and not mentioned, amy had on her cowboy hat and emily announced before
> the laramy song, which amy so politely asked if we minded if she tried
> something new, that she had never played this song before, they basically
> arranged it on stage!!!!!! awesome.

   i'm beyond jealous of y'all...
   did any listees go to the private show here?

   darius (indigo-less in rochester)

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stay...with the spirit i found,
stay...and the night would be enough..."
   - u2, stay (faraway, so close!)

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hey yall
i haev this small problem. i taped the uconn show on a minidisc (as well as
the q&a) and i am putting them both on cds. both came out quite nice.
however, i missed the last 5 or so songs because of a battery situation (i
didnt have the aa attachment so i had to try and get as much as i could out
of the rechargeable one.... whatever) so i know a handful o fyou taped the
show, but iw as wondering if anyone else happened to tape in the digital
domain and (im stretching my luck a bit by asking this but...) happened to
put them on their computer and could send me them as mp3s or wavs or
something.  just so i can have the whole show...

keeping my fingers crossed
sasha

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one of our own was missed during the birthday wishes last week (it wasn't
my fault, i swear!  there was no entry on the list :p) so...

february 15 ('82)
indigoanid@aol.com
the big 1-8!!!!

hope it was happy!!!!!!! :)

february 23
oldmanbill69@yahoo.com (bill mcclain)
"i took the long way home; and that has made all the difference"

february 23
meredith <singeralto@usa.net>
"i'll turn and i'll say i will cherish the day
when god shows you the fool that you are.
he will tell you that love is a gift from above
that shines brighter then all of the stars..."

february 24
h.burningham@ulst.ac.uk (helene burningham)

february 25 ('57)
mmedido@aol.com (claire/binky)

february 26 (' 66)
katherine ( kalisf@aol.com)

february 27 ('81)
tattoo1981@aol.com

february 27
indibabe2@yahoo.com - laurel decou
"i stood without clothes, danced on the sand
i was aching with freedom and kissing the damned."


celebrate y'all!  have a great day!

love and best wishes...
audra
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i have refrained from jumping into this argument
because i don't like extended nigc discussions. (or
relavant igc anyway).

here goes the activist spiel i give to all people who
ask me about sexuality. you may or may not agree with
this. this is my perspective and agrees with all i
have thus far encounetered. also if you feel the need
to respond to this (calmly or not), please do so
privately.

there are three components to sexuality: orientation,
identity ad behavior.

orientation: what you are. this does not change. most
people are probably bisexual with a strong leaning
towards one or the other. (which explains miss ray,
myself and the hatred of the religious right the only
explanation for which i see is hatred of that part of
themselves.)

identity: what you identify as. may or may not match
up with what you are. (though probably the closer it
is to your orientation, the happier you are.)

behavior: what you do. gay people make themselves
miserable all the time by having unfulfiling
relationships with people of the opposite sex.
straight people can engage in same sex behavior as
well (prison). but again, the closer your behavior to
your orientation, the happier you tend to be. (when
straight people leave prison they revert to straight
behavior. people leave spouses and children for same
sex relationships all the time because they're fed up
with sacrificing their happiness).

sadly the religious right sees all three as one and
the same. of course behavior is a choice. it can be a
happy or unhappy choice, but a choice nontheless.
labels are certainly a choice. if i told my mother
that i was even a bit bisexual, for example, i would
never hear tyhe end of "find a husband". so i choose
not to. orientation, however, is no more a choice than
eyecolor.

thanks for reading and lets please take this thread to
private discussion,
julie :)


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at 07:10 pm 2/18/00 , shedyskin@aol.com wrote:
>[sherlyn's note: this message was originally sent to the indigo
>girls mailing list at netspace.org.]
>
>hi y'all. am i the first on that discover this? i found a home video from
>best buy called mtv unplugged ญญ classic moments, released in 1999 by song
>entertainment. and ig's closer to fine is in it!! so i bought it, and saw
>their performace of ctf on 1/30/90, national video center, ny. they were so
>young back then, and amy's whistling skills still very much need to be
>improved! :) anyway i was mad at whoever did the cover of the video-they have
>totally 8 artist performed in the video, and they have everyone else but ig's
>photo on the cover!! why why why??
>
>peace
>dorothy

this video is available at amazon.com for $11.99, and you can pre-order a
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tay, you took the words right out of my mouth, grrl...
i was so offended by dani's post i couldn't even write a response...

power and peace to us all...

rugbygrrl


>from: taylor martin <babybutch88@hotmail.com>
>date: sun, 20 feb 2000 11:38:28 -0500
>
>oh wow, dani, i really hope you are joking with this . . .
>
>>>>i've got to say as a lesbian, i do have feelings for amy. after i read
>>>>that nerve article i am totally upset & disgusted.
>
>why, because someone who you probably don't even know broke out of a
>stereotypical shell in one interview???
>
>
>>>amy was like a leader, a positive lesbian to look up to.
>
>is she not now??  how has she changed at all?  the only thing that has
>changed is that you now know that amy ray has had (and most likely will
>have again) crushes on men, including one johnny depp.  the fact that she
>is a strong woman and a great person to look up to hasn't changed at all .
>. .in fact i find her even more admirable now because she was honest with
>herself, her fans, and hell, her girlfriend.  it isn't all that easy to be
>in a lesbian relationship and be so open about the fact that you still dig
>men (or that you dig men at all for that matter).
>
>
>>>>i seriously think that "jenny" is influencing her in a real bad way.
>>>>sorry if no one may agree with me but i think she seriously wrote that
>>>>article to irritate and offend. i mean it's like shes
>saying.."oh look what i got, amy ray wants to sleep with me!!"  doesnt
>anyone have any feelings for us fans?
>
>okay, i don't see where this attack on jennifer baumgardner is coming from.
>"does anyone have feelings for us fans"?!?!?!?!?!  what are you saying?
>that amy ray has cheated on you because she a) has a girlfriend and b)her
>girlfriend wrote an article for a sex-centered ezine?  imo, amy and emily
>both have bent over backwards for all of us as fans and the fact that amy
>is now publicly stating things that are very private is, quite honestly, a
>sign of her willingness to let her fans in on that part of her life.  being
>how public of a figure amy is now, i find it hard to believe that amy
>doesn't think that whatever she says won't find it's way to her fans,
>whether it's something that they want to hear or not.  i can't say this on
>behalf of amy because i don't know her, but i'm sure she thought a lot
>about whether or not to make these feelings public.  i don't think ms.
>baumgardner was trying to offend at all . . .in fact nothing in that
>article was personally offensive to me.  i think she and amy were having
>fun with an assignment
>that jennifer got.  that's it.  from what i've seen (and believe me, i
>haven't seen much of amy ray, except for two concerts and some interviews
>in the past year . . .not really enough to base a relationship analysis
>here) amy seems happy, comfortable, and extremely confident.  and if this
>is part jennifer's doing then hell, she's doing something right.
>
>>>>i know the definition of what a lesbian is and i've got to say i dont
>>>>sit around thinking about guys at all. thats not what a lesbian is!
>
>that's not what a lesbian is to you.

<snip!>

>>>oh, well...i'm just really hurt by this piece of rubbish. and no i dont
>>>feel lucky to have this little insight into her life, cause i really dont
>>>believe it.
>
>why are you personally hurt?  because of statements that amy ray said in an
>public interview?  and why do you not believe what she said?  had she
>revealed a secret s&m sex life with jennifer instead of the fact that she
>has crushes on men would that have been better? would that have made you
>like jennifer?
>
>i'm sorry, i don't usually post on the list, but this struck a nerve
>because i found this interview very positive.

<snip!>

>who are we, as queer women who have been ostracized by many many people, to
>ostracize our own?  if we're fighting for the right to love who we love
>shouldn't we take heed of that within the community and let those who are
>in it love who they love???
>
>anyway, i'm stepping off of my soapbox now . . .thank you if you read this
>far.  and feel free to flame on. . .
>
>~tay

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wow.  two words:

grow up.

i know everyone is entitled to their opinions, and i fully support everyone's
right to speak theirs, including you,  but really - it is possible to express an
opinion that doesn't malign a segment of society.  tact is good.

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nokomis07@aol.com wrote:

>     i've got to say as a lesbian, i do have feelings for amy. after i read
> that nerve article i am totally upset & disgusted. amy was like a leader, a
> positive lesbian to look up to. i seriously think that "jenny" is influencing
> her in a real bad way. sorry if no one may agree with me but i think she
> seriously wrote that article to irritate and offend. i mean it's like shes
> saying.."oh look what i got, amy ray wants to sleep with me!!"  doesnt anyone
> have any feelings for us fans?  i know the definition of what a lesbian is
> and i've got to say i dont sit around thinking about guys at all. thats not
> what a lesbian is!   oh, well...i'm just really hurt by this piece of
> rubbish. and no i dont feel lucky to have this little insight into her life,
> cause i really dont believe it.
>                                         dani in nyc
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date:         mon, 21 feb 2000 15:40:15 est
reply-to:     dana maxim <lurker98@hotmail.com>
sender:       indigo girls mailing list <indigo-girls@netspace.org>
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subject:      re: amy/nerve
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i really did try to remain silent, but this was just too much.

dani, you wrote that you were not into bashing people, but it seems that is
what you did in your original post. you, for reasons known only to you,
chose to attack the writer because you didn't like the way she portrayed
amy. you were immature and mean. i suspect many folks wrote and took issue
with what you said for that reason alone, not because you had a differing
opinion.

you don't know amy or jennifer and you have no idea what their relationship
entails. nor do you know about amy's personal beliefs, likes, dislikes,
fears and turn-ons beyond what you have culled from various interviews, cds
and public appearances. in other words, her image. not a cunningly crafted
image from a pr dept., but the image you've made in your mind based on all
you've experienced. now, you've read something that doesn't fit with the
image you have of her and you lash out. that's just sad.

i guarantee you that people who know amy well will find nothing shocking,
inconsistent or untrue in the nerve article. it's just a sexy and fun little
piece that reveals that amy is happy with jennifer and comfortable with
herself.


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from: nokomis07@aol.com
reply-to: nokomis07@aol.com
to: indigo-girls@netspace.org
subject: amy/nerve
date: sun, 20 feb 2000 15:18:23 -0500

it's funny how if a person that has a different opinion always gets bashed
on
this list.
well, i've got to say to everyone who flamed my opinion and seems to think i
have some personal problem or want something from amy. i have neither a
problem or want anything. there is a silent majority on this list that have
been emailing privately agreeing with me!
     i'm very happy to see that i am not the only one who feels like i do.
i
just want to thank you all for all the beautiful words :)      i myself am
not into bashing people or need my words disected by folks who have nothing
else to do. i am no stereo typical lesbian, far from that my friends.  just
wanted a little support :)

                                 dani in nyc

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date:         mon, 21 feb 2000 16:34:00 est
reply-to:     l i s a <stopandrest@hotmail.com>
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hey everyone,
i was just saying this in an email to someone else when i realized maybe i
should express it to the whole list...
it has been really interesting and educational to read everyone's responses
to the sexuality issue.  what better way for us all to broaden our horizons
and get the whole picture than by hearing the first hand accounts and
experiences of others?  no, it doesn't mean that we have to agree with what
everyone else is saying, it doesn't mean that we will change our own
perspectives on the issue.  but (i think) it is always good to be reminded
that there are so many angles and interpretations and complexities to an
issue, especially one as personal (and often times political) as sexuality.
so, thanks to you all.  we really can learn a lot from one another.
lisa
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date:         mon, 21 feb 2000 17:30:36 -0500
reply-to:     "neil :o)" <neil@andineil.com>
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>hey everybody,
>
>on november 17th, ohio congressman mike oxley introduced the "radio
>broadcasting preservation act of 1999."  this legislation would block the
>fcc from implementing a new class of low power radio stations that would be
>used by local governments, neighborhood organizations, educational
>institutions and community groups to create low-cost, low-power fm radio
>stations.
>
>on february 17th, congress held a hearing on the topic.  amy & emily of
indigo
>girls recorded a short speech that was played for congress. you can see
>and hear their speech at the official site:
>http://news.artistdirect.com/cgi-bin/gx.cgi/mcp?p=635k2035k746wia01200mqa75
qaqg.

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amy in cowboy hat :)

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date:         mon, 21 feb 2000 23:38:08 gmt
reply-to:     robbin love <robbin_150@hotmail.com>
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i haven't heard it, can anyone tell me what "out of laramie" is about? does
it have anything to do with matthew shepherd/hate motivated violence?

thanks,
robbin


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